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| 00:01.24 | jhutchins_lt | !mirrors |
| 00:01.24 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 00:02.05 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, there it is. |
| 00:02.15 | jhutchins_lt | bronaugh: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
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| 00:03.19 | bronaugh | stew: yeah, something else going on there. |
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| 00:04.18 | bronaugh | jhutchins_lt: bit of help w/interpretation? |
| 00:04.30 | zach23 | when doing aptitude install apache2, the meta package, it seems to want to install apache2-mpm-workers - shouldn't apache2-mpm-prefork be installed by default? That's the more common one I thought? |
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| 00:05.22 | bronaugh | jhutchins_lt: nm, I think I get enough of it. |
| 00:05.36 | bronaugh | anyhow, thanks people. |
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| 00:07.31 | blackshirt | zach23: you can install mpm-prefork if you prefer them |
| 00:07.34 | Mr_Brown | who give more cyrus or courier ? |
| 00:07.46 | zach23 | blackshirt: which is more recomended |
| 00:08.21 | blackshirt | i think debian default install choose workers for rock stability |
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| 00:12.32 | supayoshi | Hi i just did apt-get -u upgrade and it went good though grub manager came up asking me to install it? i didnt cus i didnt have it i believe... |
| 00:12.43 | supayoshi | its a dedicated server and i cant see it if i did |
| 00:12.48 | supayoshi | http://pastebin.com/UNEqLsty this is what i did |
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| 00:18.22 | jhutchins_lt | !es |
| 00:18.22 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 00:19.16 | supayoshi | wtf |
| 00:19.24 | supayoshi | =/ im not spanish/ |
| 00:20.02 | poisonbit | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.45 | jhutchins_lt | supayoshi: No, but Mr_Brown is in Venezuela, where Spanish is fairly common. |
| 00:22.22 | poisonbit | there is no #debian-neptune for the universal OS ? we have astronauts in planet earth debian :) |
| 00:22.39 | jhutchins_lt | supayoshi: You, on the other hand, would appear to be in the Netherlands. |
| 00:22.41 | supayoshi | ok |
| 00:22.43 | supayoshi | :p yea |
| 00:22.45 | supayoshi | i am yea |
| 00:22.51 | supayoshi | can u help me with my question? |
| 00:22.54 | supayoshi | its very simpel :p lol |
| 00:22.56 | Artemis3 | why not join #debian-es ? |
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| 00:24.00 | jhutchins_lt | supayoshi: Are you upgrading from Lenny? |
| 00:24.15 | supayoshi | no |
| 00:24.21 | supayoshi | i've debian 6.0 |
| 00:24.22 | supayoshi | :) |
| 00:24.27 | supayoshi | sqeeuze |
| 00:24.38 | jhutchins_lt | supayoshi: How long since the last update? |
| 00:24.42 | supayoshi | i just typed in like that command |
| 00:24.45 | supayoshi | emmm october? |
| 00:24.54 | Artemis3 | i don't see what the problem is, grub-pc was upgraded? |
| 00:24.54 | supayoshi | tat is when i installed it dedicated server.. |
| 00:24.55 | supayoshi | lol |
| 00:25.01 | supayoshi | yeabut it asked |
| 00:25.05 | supayoshi | if i wanted to add it to a partition |
| 00:25.08 | supayoshi | and i was like noo.... |
| 00:25.13 | supayoshi | so i canceled it? |
| 00:25.17 | Artemis3 | ah its ok |
| 00:25.18 | supayoshi | just clicked ok? |
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| 00:25.23 | supayoshi | didnt like select any harddrives |
| 00:25.25 | supayoshi | lol |
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| 00:25.34 | supayoshi | is it safe for me to reboot it >< |
| 00:25.34 | supayoshi | ? |
| 00:25.35 | Artemis3 | you can dpkg-reconfigure it if you need or leave it be |
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| 00:25.59 | Artemis3 | you have a grub installed in your hd? |
| 00:26.02 | jhutchins_lt | Grub needs to be instaled on the mbr of the hard drive, not the partition. If this is a virtual machine the rules might be different. |
| 00:26.15 | supayoshi | no its dedicated |
| 00:26.17 | supayoshi | :p but still |
| 00:26.18 | supayoshi | lol |
| 00:26.21 | Artemis3 | should be better to install it in the mbr just in case |
| 00:26.33 | supayoshi | it used to work |
| 00:26.35 | supayoshi | i just updated |
| 00:26.37 | supayoshi | packages |
| 00:26.42 | supayoshi | i dunno if it had grub |
| 00:26.44 | jhutchins_lt | supayoshi: I always make sure there's someone available at the server rack before I reboot on something I'm not sure of. |
| 00:27.01 | supayoshi | yea well rofl |
| 00:27.10 | supayoshi | what would they do then? xD if i couldnt like start it up? |
| 00:27.11 | supayoshi | reinstall it ;p |
| 00:27.13 | supayoshi | lawl |
| 00:27.13 | Artemis3 | thats ok just dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc |
| 00:27.19 | jhutchins_lt | supayoshi: I would go ahead and do an aptitude full-upgrade |
| 00:27.20 | supayoshi | would that fix it? |
| 00:27.21 | supayoshi | :) |
| 00:27.32 | jhutchins_lt | Do a grub rescue mostly. |
| 00:27.37 | supayoshi | wait. :) |
| 00:27.39 | jhutchins_lt | supayoshi: Hard to do remotely. |
| 00:27.44 | supayoshi | aptitude full-upgrade or dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 00:27.50 | supayoshi | I still have access |
| 00:27.52 | supayoshi | havent rebooted yet |
| 00:27.52 | supayoshi | :p |
| 00:27.59 | jhutchins_lt | supayoshi: full-upgrade to make sure you got everything. |
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| 00:28.10 | supayoshi | :) ok? doing that now no trolling right? |
| 00:28.12 | Artemis3 | and before reboot do the grub-pc thing |
| 00:28.22 | jhutchins_lt | supayoshi: dpkg-reconfigure or grub-install to make sure it's installed to the right place - usually grub-install /dev/sda |
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| 00:28.49 | supayoshi | lawl the aptitude full-upgrade was done in 1 second? :P |
| 00:28.50 | supayoshi | lol |
| 00:28.57 | jhutchins_lt | Artemis3: Is there an advantage to using dpkg instead of grub-install? |
| 00:28.58 | Artemis3 | maybe you finished already |
| 00:29.11 | supayoshi | yea just the grub menu installer showed up |
| 00:29.11 | jhutchins_lt | supayoshi: That just confirms you had everything. |
| 00:29.14 | supayoshi | when i upgraded first time |
| 00:29.20 | supayoshi | and i could like tick boxes |
| 00:29.20 | jhutchins_lt | supayoshi: Since I don't know apt-get as well, it was insurance. |
| 00:29.21 | supayoshi | but i didnt |
| 00:29.27 | Artemis3 | i think if you haven't configured grub-pc, grub install won't know where to, but i might be wrong |
| 00:29.50 | supayoshi | okay how am i making sure it will reboot :p |
| 00:29.51 | supayoshi | lawl |
| 00:29.53 | jhutchins_lt | Artemis3: Well, you can specify the location, as I said, grub-install /dev/sda |
| 00:30.01 | Artemis3 | yeah that should work |
| 00:30.08 | supayoshi | xDDDDDD yea yea well i dunno the location and stuff idc really :P |
| 00:30.12 | supayoshi | just make sure it will reboot roflorlforlf |
| 00:30.17 | Artemis3 | can't you go to the physical location of your server? |
| 00:30.22 | supayoshi | :p naw |
| 00:30.25 | supayoshi | thats in france hehehee |
| 00:30.36 | Artemis3 | hmm ok |
| 00:30.38 | supayoshi | pretty nice hosting packages |
| 00:30.40 | Artemis3 | go ahead |
| 00:31.02 | supayoshi | http://www.kimsufi.co.uk/ check this out :p lawl |
| 00:31.27 | supayoshi | it rocks :D but though... i cant like xD do grub rescue or anything soooo |
| 00:31.29 | supayoshi | am i safe now? |
| 00:32.06 | Artemis3 | if grub installed correctly |
| 00:32.18 | supayoshi | how do i find out? xD |
| 00:32.27 | Artemis3 | it usually complains |
| 00:32.28 | supayoshi | is grub installed on any linux? |
| 00:32.36 | Artemis3 | almost always |
| 00:32.40 | supayoshi | i gave u the pastebin :P |
| 00:32.46 | supayoshi | xD that is what it all said |
| 00:32.47 | supayoshi | rofl |
| 00:33.15 | Artemis3 | you said you cancelled the configuration of grub-pc |
| 00:33.18 | supayoshi | well it came up with like a blue screen, wiht the harddries to select to boot from? |
| 00:33.23 | supayoshi | yep i just clicked liek ok |
| 00:33.27 | Artemis3 | yes exactly |
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| 00:33.30 | supayoshi | without ticking boxes |
| 00:33.34 | Artemis3 | ah then it might be ok |
| 00:33.38 | supayoshi | lol |
| 00:33.42 | supayoshi | might? :3 |
| 00:33.43 | supayoshi | lol |
| 00:33.51 | Artemis3 | pray :3 |
| 00:33.54 | supayoshi | ah well i made a backup |
| 00:33.56 | supayoshi | of the shit i need |
| 00:34.03 | supayoshi | xD |
| 00:34.08 | supayoshi | soo.. reinstall wont hurt but still |
| 00:34.09 | supayoshi | =/ |
| 00:34.23 | supayoshi | should i reconfigure? |
| 00:34.31 | supayoshi | or how do i check which disk is used? lawl |
| 00:34.34 | jhutchins_lt | supayoshi: If the system boots then you have some bootloader installed. Grub/Grub2 is the most common, lilo is an old standard that I like pretty well, and there are others. |
| 00:34.38 | civillian | supayoshi: you make a lot of faces quickly, perhaps you could be the new Jim Carey? |
| 00:34.45 | jhutchins_lt | supayoshi: Debian almost always installs grub. |
| 00:35.04 | jhutchins_lt | supayoshi: However, your system looks like it might not have been a default stable install. |
| 00:36.48 | supayoshi | ohhh |
| 00:36.59 | supayoshi | Jhutchins :P how do i check which loader im using xD |
| 00:37.09 | supayoshi | can i like find a startup log? |
| 00:37.15 | supayoshi | or something like that |
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| 00:45.22 | langkid1 | I want to move all the files from one folder into another folder, how do I do that? (by the way, I want to move the files that are in /example/exampledir/ to /example/exampledir/insidedir |
| 00:45.36 | Artemis3 | mv |
| 00:45.41 | langkid1 | *? |
| 00:45.47 | Artemis3 | man mv? |
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| 00:49.35 | babilen | !tell langkid1 -about general cli tutorial |
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| 00:49.50 | babilen | langkid1: And go easy on the stars ;) |
| 00:50.10 | langkid1 | how do you see the size of a folder? |
| 00:51.15 | babilen | langkid1: "du -s directory" is one way -- Or are you talking about the size of the directory itself not of it and all its enclosed files? |
| 00:51.17 | boudiccas | langkid1;what do you mean 'the size' ? |
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| 00:51.34 | langkid1 | like, the size of all the files in it |
| 00:52.11 | babilen | langkid1: combined or each? |
| 00:52.15 | langkid1 | combined |
| 00:52.28 | babilen | langkid1: See above then |
| 00:52.52 | langkid1 | what is the number in? |
| 00:52.54 | babilen | langkid1: And do yourself a favour and read the tutorials dpkg told you about. :) |
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| 00:53.03 | langkid1 | like bytes, kilobytes, megabytes? |
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| 00:53.46 | babilen | langkid1: You can use "du -sh" if you are after a human readable format. Also "man du" |
| 00:53.58 | langkid1 | ah thx |
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| 01:08.01 | pasky | How is one supposed to link against boost in debian? -lboost_thread doesn't work since there is just /usr/lib/libboost_thread.so.1.42.0 and no /usr/lib/libboost_thread.so, if i create the symlink manually it works, but what piece of magic am I missing for this to just work? |
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| 01:16.45 | rrn | Is there an active effort to submit man pages, written by Debian developers for packages lacking such documentation, to the actual authors? |
| 01:17.50 | stew | rrn: this page exists: http://qa.debian.org/man-pages.html please feel free to jump in and write one! |
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| 01:19.55 | rrn | stew: Interesting, I would be glad to help out sometime, but my question is regarding packages for which man documentation was written by Debian developers. |
| 01:20.13 | gnarface | we should hire Matt Groening to write a bunch of snarky man pages to spread the word of debian to the uneducated masses |
| 01:20.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | rrn: its recommended to push changes upstream, i don't know if it has a project behind it per se |
| 01:21.05 | rrn | Kamping_Kaiser, stew: Thanks for the info. |
| 01:21.46 | nimbiotics | Hello every1. I have been using ubuntu for the last 2 or 3 years but I am having way too many disappointments with its last version. I'm giving up on ubuntu and I'd like to ask how does debian compare to ubuntu when it comes to common things such as installing software. Does debian have equivalents for synaptic, software center and ubuntu one? |
| 01:22.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | rrn: np |
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| 01:24.28 | civillian | nimbiotics: are you familiar with apt? |
| 01:24.56 | Artemis3 | there is synaptic, there is no ubuntu one |
| 01:25.32 | MIOW | if using ubuntu one just as file storage though, dropbox should be good alternative |
| 01:25.41 | nimbiotics | civillian: partially |
| 01:26.07 | nimbiotics | Artemis3: any cloud product? |
| 01:26.18 | MIOW | nimbiotics: dropbox? |
| 01:26.24 | jiohdi | anyone have a problem using chromium-browser's sync on debian? it says server busy try later, but never had that problem on other distros |
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| 01:27.15 | nimbiotics | THX ya'll |
| 01:27.24 | MIOW | np :) |
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| 01:31.27 | jhutchins_lt | nimbiotics: There are some things that require more user involvement and configuration; there are places where Ubuntu uses non-free software by default and Debian either uses something else or requires some intervention to get the non-free stuff. |
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| 01:32.16 | jhutchins_lt | jiohdi: I guess you'd have to try the other distro at the same time to know if it had anything to do with Debian. I rather doubt it. |
| 01:32.32 | jhutchins_lt | chromium is chromium. |
| 01:33.47 | jiohdi | jhutchin1_lt, just tried it on linuxmint debian edition, works fine |
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| 01:33.54 | jiohdi | so it aint so |
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| 01:34.35 | yagoo | jiohdi, say it aint so say it aint!!! |
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| 01:34.51 | jiohdi | something about the debian pure version is wonky |
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| 01:39.06 | hellekin | Hi there, I'm wondering what's the policy for packages that are forks of original packages and need to patch a couple of files. Should they use the equivs system or re-package the patched software with a conflicting dependency? |
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| 01:41.09 | yagoo | !dev |
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| 01:41.40 | yagoo | !policy |
| 01:41.41 | dpkg | policy is the document that defines how Debian packages should (and must!) interact with each other and with the user to make sure we have a high-quality, stable distribution. You can find it at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ or in the debian-policy package. Those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. See also <best practices> <nmg> <mentors>. |
| 01:42.06 | chaospsychex | debian is the distro with the most pkgs ? |
| 01:42.37 | yagoo | chaospsychex, yeah.. there's like 64 cd's ... |
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| 02:00.59 | bronaugh | ok, where is the classpath for java set in debian? |
| 02:02.12 | stew | in the script you write that calls java :) |
| 02:05.54 | bronaugh | uh, no. there's a default classpath. |
| 02:06.54 | bronaugh | anyhow, this is a nightmare, so yay. :/ |
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| 02:21.51 | linux-fox | hi,all |
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| 02:24.09 | AthomIk | hello |
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| 02:24.42 | AthomIk | on free testing install, how i can remove network-manager without remove gnome ? |
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| 02:24.50 | AthomIk | fresh install |
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| 02:27.00 | linux-fox | what is fresh install? |
| 02:27.11 | AthomIk | new install |
| 02:27.15 | AthomIk | last hour |
| 02:27.31 | AthomIk | systeme is new on this laptop |
| 02:27.37 | AthomIk | ok ? |
| 02:27.55 | linux-fox | why remove network-manager ? |
| 02:28.29 | gnarface | haha cause it fails |
| 02:28.33 | pumafyre | linux-fox: I removed network manager in kde |
| 02:28.37 | pumafyre | gnarface: exactly |
| 02:28.57 | AthomIk | yes network-manager is not for him |
| 02:28.59 | pumafyre | it was buggy as hell |
| 02:29.14 | pumafyre | wouldn't stay connected. wicd works flawlessly |
| 02:29.17 | raz | hm |
| 02:29.31 | raz | is there a way to see what sources the various packages will be pulled from before doing an "apt-get upgrade"? |
| 02:30.11 | raz | i.e. i'm using some third-party sources and would like to make sure they're not sneaking in stuff i don't want |
| 02:30.29 | dvs | AthomIk: gnome is a virtual package. You won't uninstall gnome if you remove the gnome package. |
| 02:30.39 | AthomIk | at this time, per exemple, new systeme a lost dns..... why this ? |
| 02:31.32 | gnarface | raz: that's a great question i wish i knew the answer as well. it might have something to do with apt policy? |
| 02:31.53 | raz | gnarface: yea i remember there was some cryptic command to look it up for individual packages |
| 02:32.00 | raz | i wish apt-get would just tell it with -V |
| 02:32.23 | dvs | --dry-run? |
| 02:32.39 | raz | ah, good idea! |
| 02:32.47 | AthomIk | dvs: yes aptitude go to remove gnome and gnome-core, is ok ? |
| 02:33.32 | raz | dvs: thx, that's looking good |
| 02:33.49 | dvs | AthomIk: yeah, just make sure no other packages get uninstalled |
| 02:34.10 | AthomIk | dvs task-gnome-destop too ? |
| 02:34.18 | dvs | yuup |
| 02:34.32 | AthomIk | yuup is ok, go ? |
| 02:34.37 | dvs | yes |
| 02:34.51 | AthomIk | ok thk, i test this |
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| 02:39.48 | subsume | I tried to change the size of my tmpfs but now i see both sizes: tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,size=100m,size=250M) |
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| 02:40.44 | i_0manga | Hey! If you're in the US looking to spunk/shoot your load on some wonderful girls, go to http://www.bukkakeforums.com/ and sign up. Parties are being set up in the Atlanta and Dayton areas. This is no bullshit; completely real and amateur. http://i40.tinypic.com/m7vwna.jpg http://i43.tinypic.com/2v9sojk.jpg |
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| 02:41.08 | Jguy | No thanks. |
| 02:41.10 | Jguy | aw |
| 02:41.38 | AthomIk | dvs: ok is good again thk |
| 02:41.52 | dvs | np |
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| 02:50.24 | acu | Hey guys - do you know where are the Windows Servers chat rooms? - TechNet type of guys? I want to know when and what will be the next Windows Server |
| 02:51.02 | stew | acu: try ##windows |
| 02:51.56 | acu | thanks - stew - why did I not think of that - first I did not think it will be in freenode (free and MIcrosoft don't mix) |
| 02:52.44 | stew | for that matter, i dunno why you thought #debian would be the place to ask |
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| 03:08.18 | linuxguy | Hi.........Im using debian wheezy, all upto date........but something called nepomuk crashes constantly, no matter what app im using.....what does nepomuk do?...and is it possible to stop the crash? |
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| 03:09.46 | gnarface | linduxed: "apt-cache show nepomuk" would probably tell you (i don't know) but chances are its not vital to the operating system itself cause i've never heard of it |
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| 03:10.20 | gnarface | linduxed: i'm pretty sure you can safely remove it |
| 03:10.40 | gnarface | linduxed: if you find out you need it you can always bring it back. i think it has something to do with media libraries? |
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| 03:11.27 | gnarface | linduxed: since you're on wheezy, you should probably consider asking in #debian-next on OFTC since its the testing/unstable channel |
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| 03:11.39 | linuxguy | >>is wondering if linduxed is having same problem as me? |
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| 03:12.02 | jiohdi | wikipedia says its an ontology based management of unified knowledge |
| 03:12.06 | jiohdi | whatever that means |
| 03:12.12 | linuxguy | or or the relies supposed to be directed to linuxguy ? |
| 03:12.21 | jiohdi | a social semantic desktop |
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| 03:13.26 | poop | i eat so much froot my bm's smell nice |
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| 03:13.41 | jiohdi | its some sort of web collaboration environment |
| 03:13.55 | jiohdi | for linking multiple desktops |
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| 03:14.36 | jiohdi | totally useless for single users as far as I can see |
| 03:14.50 | poop | my boner found two new web sites |
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| 03:16.37 | boudiccas | poop; stop it please |
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| 03:18.30 | boudiccas | thank you Hydroxide |
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| 03:18.35 | yagoo | and i say to myself what a wonderful world |
| 03:18.38 | Hydroxide | np |
| 03:18.51 | yagoo | :) |
| 03:19.21 | dvs | oh yeah |
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| 03:19.58 | linuxguy | ok so what i can make out......i can safely remove nepomuk frim dediab wheezy using synaptic? |
| 03:21.05 | boudiccas | linuxguy; all nepomuk does is sort through all your files and make a note of them and where they are so when you do a 'find foo' it knows where to look and give you the answer from |
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| 03:21.54 | linuxguy | boudiccas, ok......i see........but why does it crash all the time........i never use it, but it seems to crash more when im on the net |
| 03:21.55 | boudiccas | linuxguy; in most cases its quite possible to live without it, on squeeze you can turn it off, i dont know about wheezy though |
| 03:22.30 | boudiccas | linuxguy; dont know why yours crashes, mine never did before i turned it off |
| 03:23.09 | linuxguy | boudiccas, thanks for the info.......i dont know how to turn it off in wheezy........theres only something called wheezy-backup, but theres an un-install in synaptic......i will try that......thatanks :):) |
| 03:23.26 | boudiccas | linuxguy; you're welcome |
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| 03:24.01 | boudiccas | linuxguy; do you want to see the instructions for turning it off? |
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| 03:25.33 | linuxguy | boudiccas, yes it would be great......having just looked at synaptic.....it controls a lot of other apps |
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| 03:25.56 | boudiccas | linuxguy; give us a couple of minutes then while i dig them out |
| 03:26.09 | linuxguy | boudiccas, no probs :) |
| 03:26.30 | yggdrasil | yo yo, is there a decent lin application that i can use to document a network ? |
| 03:26.32 | gentz | Using the debian installer on a 3terabyte external drive & it shows up as 375 GB size. Will the debian installer partition it incorrectly? |
| 03:26.41 | boudiccas | linuxguy; http://www.sharons.org.uk/taste/index.html see July 31st |
| 03:27.11 | pickcoder | yggdrasil: vi? what exactly is meant by "document a network" |
| 03:27.29 | yggdrasil | draw network diagrams |
| 03:27.34 | yggdrasil | pardon my insulance. |
| 03:27.54 | gnarface | yggdrasil: i think you mean ignorance |
| 03:27.58 | yggdrasil | haha |
| 03:27.59 | yggdrasil | im high |
| 03:28.42 | gnarface | yggdrasil: short answer: no there isn't. long answer: don't look for a program to "document a network" look for a program to create documents in a format that most suits your network topology (for simple networks you really should consider plain text files) |
| 03:29.00 | yggdrasil | im just having a .. growing pain. |
| 03:29.14 | yggdrasil | ive always used jsut text files but now i think im looking at some more complex stuff. |
| 03:29.31 | yggdrasil | thanks |
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| 03:29.54 | gnarface | yggdrasil: i use inkscape - but again, its not for documenting networks specifically, its just a generic svg based vector rendering suite that happens to be suitable for drawing the types of flowcharts that can document typical networks. its no where tuned to that specific purpose at the level of something like visio |
| 03:30.07 | yggdrasil | indeed. |
| 03:30.15 | yggdrasil | i didnt wanna say the v word. |
| 03:30.26 | gnarface | yggdrasil: and it can export to png, which is way more portable than visio files |
| 03:30.28 | yggdrasil | thank you kind sir. |
| 03:30.35 | pickcoder | google sketchup |
| 03:30.38 | yggdrasil | your help is greatly appreciated. |
| 03:30.40 | gnarface | yggdrasil: good luck |
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| 03:30.52 | pickcoder | or whatever it's called |
| 03:31.04 | yggdrasil | ill google for the google app. |
| 03:32.18 | linuxguy | boudiccas, thanks ........i will look it that laters :) |
| 03:32.35 | boudiccas | linuxguy; ok, no problems |
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| 03:57.03 | somiaj | jiohdi: How is your sound setup are you using pulse or something other than just alsa? Do you have another device holding your sound card so flash can't use it (usually due to a custome .asoundrc) |
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| 03:59.02 | dinexi | Hello. I have installed debian 6.0.3 and got a problem with alsa. If I am redirecting alsa's output to pulse (using /etc/asound.conf), mplayer tells me "open_shm(): Permission denied". If I am renaming asound.conf, alsa works. How can I solve this problem with permissions? |
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| 03:59.50 | gentz | Using kde in debian & the root terminal doesn't launch. is this a bug? |
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| 04:04.40 | debclair | hi, i have my laptop sharing an ad hoc network, but i cant get it to share internet as well. Any ideas? |
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| 04:06.48 | dinexi | Sorry. The error message reads: "shm_open() failed: Permission denied". |
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| 04:09.01 | yagoo | anyone knows if i have to use 2>error.txt for rsync? or can i simply use tee? |
| 04:09.14 | yagoo | (i want to simply use rsync -av ) |
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| 04:09.35 | somiaj | yagoo: do you want both the stderr and stdout to be redirected? |
| 04:10.07 | somiaj | yagoo: you dont need to do any redirection to use rsync -av, but if you want to log the output you can redirect either or both stderr or stdout |
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| 04:19.58 | TJNII | Where is the "official" debian location to call a iptables script? I'd prefer to call the script I've written, not use /etc/init.d/iptables save or similar. Though I don't seem to have /etc/init.d/iptables, despite a functional firewall. |
| 04:21.11 | babilen | ,info iptables-persistent |
| 04:21.12 | judd | Package iptables-persistent (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: Simple package to set up iptables on boot. Version: 0.0.20100801; Size: 2.6k; Installed: 64k |
| 04:21.53 | babilen | TJNII: Another approach is to add pre-up/post-down stanzas to /etc/network/interfaces as detailed on the Debian wiki |
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| 04:22.04 | itsnotabigtruck | judd: problem with that is that it assumes you want to save and restore whatever happens to be in your iptables every reboot |
| 04:22.10 | itsnotabigtruck | instead of reload a pre-defined ruleset |
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| 04:22.57 | TJNII | babilen: I'm hesitant to do that because I have _a lot_ of stanzas. I want the script to run after all interfaces are up. Is there a way to do that in the /etc/network tree? |
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| 04:24.12 | itsnotabigtruck | TJNII: well, i think a pre-up script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d will run after interfaces are defined, but before they're brought up |
| 04:24.21 | itsnotabigtruck | sounds like exactly what you want |
| 04:24.42 | TJNII | Hmmm |
| 04:24.46 | itsnotabigtruck | the only thing that doesn't get you is a pretty way to load/unload the iptables rules |
| 04:24.49 | TJNII | I suppose running before would be fine |
| 04:24.58 | TJNII | As IPtables doesn't seem to care if the interface is up.... |
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| 04:25.37 | itsnotabigtruck | my solution was to create scripts with the ipv4/ipv6 rules |
| 04:25.51 | itsnotabigtruck | then make an init.d script that sources the rule files on start, and empties out iptables on stop |
| 04:25.59 | itsnotabigtruck | (but doesn't run automatically at any runlevel) |
| 04:26.12 | itsnotabigtruck | then make if-pre-up.d and if-post-down.d scripts that run the init.d script |
| 04:26.32 | itsnotabigtruck | that way you can do service firewall start/stop |
| 04:27.03 | TJNII | Got it, thanks. |
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| 04:31.25 | nsadmin | itsnotabigtruck, rather than empty, it's cleaner to only remove the rules you added |
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| 04:32.06 | itsnotabigtruck | nsadmin: i expect however that the only rules will be my rules, and i'd rather ensure there isn't any cruft left over |
| 04:32.35 | itsnotabigtruck | also completely purging iptables takes a *lot* of iptables calls, don't want to have to do that by hand every time i want to do it |
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| 04:34.27 | itsnotabigtruck | 5 tables, each of which has 2 to 5 chains, each of which needs to be reset to ACCEPT |
| 04:34.43 | babilen | TJNII: I would go with iptables-save and iptables-restore in pre-up |
| 04:34.45 | itsnotabigtruck | then same thing with ipv6 except with 4 tables (no nat) |
| 04:36.02 | nsadmin | just like it took a lot of calls to establish the rules... but I digress... there are a few different levels here... either it's your own machine at home, your own machine at work, someone else's machine anywyere, someone else's machine functioning as a router at home, same at work |
| 04:36.23 | nsadmin | if it's your machine at home, do anything you want :) |
| 04:36.46 | nsadmin | if it's anything else, you probably want documentation and maintainability |
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| 04:39.01 | itsnotabigtruck | it's kinda irritating that there isn't a really good solution for this |
| 04:39.35 | nsadmin | if you look at an old lenny package called ipmasq, you'll see some ideas around arrangement |
| 04:39.35 | itsnotabigtruck | there's a ton of low quality ruleset generators that are a) more complicated than iptables, b) don't expose the full functionality of iptables |
| 04:39.51 | itsnotabigtruck | but there's no official solution whatsoever for having a nice way to load/unload custom rulesets |
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| 04:40.09 | itsnotabigtruck | ufw is sort of like that but not really |
| 04:40.13 | babilen | itsnotabigtruck: Why not? Configure the firewall with a well documented script and save/restore it with iptables-{save,restore} |
| 04:40.39 | nsadmin | they don't need to expose all iptables functionality if they exist to perform one particuilar purpose |
| 04:41.13 | itsnotabigtruck | nsadmin: yeah, then you actually need that functionality and the entire script has to go out of the window, because it leaves you no room for expansion at all |
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| 04:41.34 | itsnotabigtruck | for example, ufw lets you open tcp/udp ports and that's it |
| 04:42.03 | itsnotabigtruck | now what if you want to do sctp? gre/ip-in-ip tunneling? what if you want to ensure that all traffic to some host is protected with ipsec? |
| 04:42.12 | itsnotabigtruck | well too bad because you can't, not without hacking around the script |
| 04:42.27 | itsnotabigtruck | which really defeats the whole point |
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| 04:47.32 | Rusty1 | maybe somebody on #Netfilter would have some advice |
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| 04:47.53 | Kimble | Hi. I'm a new debian user. ACPI doesn't appear to recognise any of my devices. Can someone point me to a resource to help sort this out? Debian 6.0.3, Dell latitude E5400. |
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| 05:13.03 | bitcycle | Is it possible to swap the right ctrl key and the escape key? |
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| 05:14.22 | arghx | yes |
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| 05:14.44 | Kimble | Is preventing ALSA from loading on boot the most appropriate way to disable sound completely (given there's no BIOS option for this)? Main concern is power-saving. |
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| 05:15.42 | arghx | won't have an impact on power imho. just not using sound has the same effect |
| 05:15.56 | arghx | but you can blacklist the drives if you want |
| 05:16.20 | Kimble | ok. It's just to stop the odd unexpected beep from the OS. |
| 05:16.40 | pumafyre | i hate that beep |
| 05:17.24 | bitcycle | arghx: How to swap and/or simply map the right ctrl button to the escape key functionality? |
| 05:17.29 | arghx | that acan usually beachieved differetnly |
| 05:17.45 | Kimble | when you're fiddling in the middle of the night those beeps can make you jump, for sho'! :) |
| 05:17.49 | arghx | e.g disabling the pcspkr by blacklisting that |
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| 05:18.24 | Kimble | I'm not familiar with the concept of blacklisting hardware, but I'll google it. ta :) |
| 05:18.35 | paulfm | anyone used jack to record internal sounds? |
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| 05:35.45 | homekevin | Does anyone have any thoughts on whether COLUMNS and LINES should be exported? |
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| 05:36.00 | homekevin | I think they are not exported by default on Debian |
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| 05:39.45 | Maiku-kun | hi all |
| 05:40.13 | Maiku-kun | is it possible to remove sudo password prompting for certain command only? |
| 05:40.29 | homekevin | I think so. Have you read 'man sudoers'? |
| 05:40.49 | homekevin | I've never tried it, but I think the man page describes it. |
| 05:41.13 | Maiku-kun | I've tried user ALL = NOPASSWD: command and user ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL |
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| 05:41.51 | Maiku-kun | so that ALL lines requires password even for specified command |
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| 05:48.02 | somiaj | Maiku-kun: sure, "username ALL = NOPASSWD: cmd1, cmd2, cmd3 |
| 05:48.52 | Maiku-kun | somiaj: but what about other commands? I want to allow them with sudo password |
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| 05:49.02 | somiaj | Maiku-kun: have another line for that |
| 05:49.16 | somiaj | Maiku-kun: basic syntax is 'USER HOST = COMMAND' |
| 05:49.18 | Maiku-kun | yeap, I wrote it above |
| 05:49.29 | Maiku-kun | user ALL = (ALL:ALL) ALL |
| 05:49.39 | Maiku-kun | and it overrides my NOPASSWD line |
| 05:49.51 | somiaj | Maiku-kun: Id personaly use the default %sudo ALL = (ALL) ALL |
| 05:50.17 | somiaj | Maiku-kun: and then add your users you want generic sudo privlages to the 'sudo' group, this is usuallys et up by default |
| 05:50.28 | somiaj | Maiku-kun: you can then add additional lines for the commands you dont want a password on |
| 05:50.30 | Maiku-kun | it doesn't matter, if user is in sudo group, it also requires password for all commands |
| 05:50.53 | Maiku-kun | is line order in /etc/sudoers makes sense? |
| 05:50.59 | Maiku-kun | *does |
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| 05:52.35 | ketty | dir |
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| 05:55.57 | somiaj | Maiku-kun: I forget if lineorder matters, though if one way doesn't work try the other. |
| 05:58.03 | Maiku-kun | oh, I found the clue: you must close vim if you using visudo to apply your changes, and lines order makes sense |
| 05:58.11 | Maiku-kun | thanks, guys |
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| 05:59.41 | dname | Hello Help to mount the hard drive. in fdisk-l shows / dev/sda2. I tried to install, but nothing happens. Zhetsky disk created in VirtualBox. A fixed size. |
| 05:59.49 | somiaj | Maiku-kun: correct, visudo edits a copy of the file, then parses it for syntax errors and coppies it back after you quit. |
| 06:00.39 | mindbender1 | I'm getting scrambled characters after resuming from hibernate. I've been getting this since squeeze and hoped to stop getting it after upgrade to sid but the situation remains the same. I'm currently running my box with gnome, kde, and openbox but my default is gnome and I've only observed this with gnome |
| 06:00.53 | Maiku-kun | dname: what command do you use for mounting /dev/sda2 |
| 06:00.58 | Maiku-kun | ? |
| 06:01.19 | dname | Maiku-kun: mount -t ext3 -o force /dev/sda2 /clients |
| 06:01.46 | dname | directory / clients created |
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| 06:02.38 | homekevin | mindbender1: Can you be more specific about what you are seeing and where? |
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| 06:03.19 | Maiku-kun | dname: so, /clients is still empty after mount and no errors? |
| 06:03.41 | Maiku-kun | dname: are you sure that /dev/sda2 has ext3 fs? |
| 06:04.08 | dname | Maiku-kun: I do not know =) just wanted to introduce ext3. |
| 06:04.32 | mindbender1 | homekevin: after resuming from hibernate my system characters/fonts looks scrambled, unless I restart before they look smooth again or logout then login.. understand? |
| 06:04.39 | Maiku-kun | dname: what do you mean "introduce"? |
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| 06:05.16 | Maiku-kun | dname: you should find out what fs is on your /dev/sda2 |
| 06:05.19 | dname | Maiku-kun: just wrote ext3 not knowing what fs |
| 06:05.30 | Maiku-kun | dname: fs is filesystem |
| 06:05.45 | dname | I apologize for my text. I take a translator = ( |
| 06:06.01 | dname | Maiku-kun: I know it |
| 06:06.02 | homekevin | mindbender1: No, not at all. What are "system characters"? Are you talking about characters in applications, in the GNOME menu, in a virtual terminal...? And what does it mean for them to be "scrambled"? |
| 06:06.12 | mindbender1 | homekevin: I usually get option instat callback error or so |
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| 06:07.21 | homekevin | dname: Your best bet is probably to leave off the "-t ext3 -o force" and let mount try to figure out the filesystem itself. |
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| 06:08.06 | mindbender1 | homekevin: I don't really know how to describe it but it seems as if lines are drawn across the fonts in both gui apps and terminal fonts |
| 06:08.11 | homekevin | dname: If mount can't figure it out, you'll have to do the work to figure it out yourself. But you can't just mount some arbitrary filesystem as ext3 and expect it to work. |
| 06:08.52 | dname | and how do I format it in ext3 filesystem? |
| 06:09.19 | homekevin | mindbender1: So the characters appear as usual (an A is still an A), but have extra "noise" in or around them? |
| 06:09.47 | mindbender1 | homekevin: Yes i think that's a better description |
| 06:10.01 | homekevin | dname: It's easy to create a new ext3 filesystem, but it will be empty. You'll lose everything that was previously on the partition. |
| 06:10.35 | homekevin | dname: Converting an existing filesystem to ext3 may not be supported. |
| 06:10.55 | dname | homekevin: There's nothing there. I made this drive in VirtualBox |
| 06:10.57 | homekevin | mindbender1: It sounds like a video driver problem to me. |
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| 06:11.33 | mindbender1 | homekevin: you mean a video driver that's affected by hibernation? |
| 06:11.46 | homekevin | dname: Do you mean that it's a new drive? |
| 06:12.18 | homekevin | mindbender1: I think drivers typically do have to be able to do something "special" to handle hibernation. |
| 06:12.18 | dname | homekevin: yes |
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| 06:12.42 | homekevin | dname: Then look at mkfs (make filesystem) |
| 06:13.02 | mindbender1 | homekevin: is there a way to check for this possibility on my system? |
| 06:13.05 | homekevin | dname: mkfs is used to create a filesystem on a partition. |
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| 06:13.34 | homekevin | mindbender1: Well, you should find out what video drivers you are using. |
| 06:14.20 | mindbender1 | homekevin: help with comands and log file locations will be appreciated |
| 06:14.20 | homekevin | mindbender1: I think there's a kernel driver and an X driver, but I'm no expert. You should be able to find the X driver in the Xorg logs. |
| 06:14.54 | homekevin | mindbender1: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 06:15.05 | homekevin | Though it's difficult to read. |
| 06:15.27 | homekevin | You might just post it on a pastebin and link us to it. |
| 06:15.27 | mindbender1 | homekevin: ok let me give it a look and see what I can find? |
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| 06:15.35 | mindbender1 | ok |
| 06:16.06 | dname | mke2fs 1.41.3 (12-Oct-2008) |
| 06:16.07 | dname | mkfs.ext3: inode_size (128) * inodes_count (0) too big for a |
| 06:16.07 | dname | filesystem with 0 blocks, specify higher inode_ratio (-i) |
| 06:16.07 | dname | or lower inode count (-N). |
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| 06:16.12 | dname | sorry |
| 06:16.38 | dname | homekevin: http://paste.debian.net/146111/ |
| 06:16.52 | dname | mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda2 |
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| 06:17.53 | homekevin | dname: seems to think /dev/sda2 is 0 blocks. |
| 06:18.00 | homekevin | dname: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
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| 06:18.27 | dname | homekevin: /dev/sda2 6402 6527 1012095 5 Extended |
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| 06:20.43 | homekevin | dname: Looks like an extended partition. You can't use it directly. |
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| 06:20.58 | homekevin | Extended partitions have to be divided into Logical Drives. |
| 06:21.43 | bkerensa | slang |
| 06:21.52 | homekevin | You can only create filesystems on Primary partitions or Logical Drives. |
| 06:22.19 | dname | Could help with this? : ( |
| 06:22.45 | dname | When you create a disk I virtualboh have "fixed size" |
| 06:22.47 | homekevin | Your partitioning tool should be able to do it. |
| 06:23.37 | homekevin | I don't know about how VirtualBox handles virtual drives. Maybe it pre-partitions it. |
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| 06:23.49 | yagoo | says to use graphical gparted.. make life easy |
| 06:24.05 | homekevin | dname: You didn't give the complete fdisk -l output. That might help |
| 06:24.09 | yagoo | homekevin, it's about 100meg iso for live gparted cd |
| 06:24.21 | homekevin | dname: It's possible you already have logical drives to use. |
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| 06:25.34 | homekevin | dname: If you happen to already have Logical Drives inside your Extended partition, they will be numbered starting at 5. For example, /dev/sda5 |
| 06:25.41 | dname | homekevin: http://paste.debian.net/146114/ |
| 06:25.57 | chaospsychex | i just installed deb 6.0.3 and i am trying to get my broadcom 4312 working. i have to boot into windows to have net access. i also have a usb wireless adapter that i thought would be loaded but it's not. does 6.0.3 have the module for the belkin n150 and it's just not loading it ? |
| 06:26.39 | homekevin | dname: Are you sure /dev/sda is the drive you want to be formatting? It looks like your system drive. |
| 06:26.52 | chaospsychex | Belkin N150 (RT3070L Chipset) <-- is this module present after installing, just not loaded ? |
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| 06:27.17 | dname | I do not know. sda2 appeared |
| 06:27.17 | homekevin | dname: Show us the output for 'mount' |
| 06:27.41 | dname | homekevin: http://paste.debian.net/146116/ |
| 06:27.53 | homekevin | dname: sda2 looks like it contains one Logical Drive, which is being used as your swap partition. |
| 06:28.05 | homekevin | dname: That would be a common layout for a fresh install. |
| 06:28.32 | dname | so then the newly created disk is not added? or just not visible? |
| 06:28.35 | homekevin | dname: What size virtual disk did you create? |
| 06:28.45 | dname | 10GB |
| 06:29.02 | homekevin | dname: It looks like it was created, added, and is named /dev/sdb |
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| 06:30.13 | dname | My main hard drive with 10GB system also dynamically expanding the size of |
| 06:30.41 | homekevin | dname: You just need to partition it, then create a filesystem on the new partition. |
| 06:30.58 | homekevin | dname: That last thing didn't make any sense to me |
| 06:31.48 | homekevin | dname: I assume the 53 GB disk is your main system disk. It pretty much has to be, since its partitions are mounted as / and swap |
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| 06:32.08 | homekevin | Or, at least as / |
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| 06:32.35 | homekevin | I don't actually know whether you have an active swap partition, but you have one prepared on /dev/sda5 |
| 06:33.17 | simonlnu | !n150 |
| 06:34.02 | simonlnu | !rt3070 |
| 06:34.03 | dpkg | rt2870sta is the vendor driver for Ralink 802.11n/g USB (RT2070, RT2770, RT2870, RT3070, RT3071, RT3072) wireless LAN devices, included as a staging driver (amd64, i386 only) in Debian 2.6.32 kernel images. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta . Disabled in Debian kernel images post-Squeeze and removed at Linux 3.0, ask me about <rt2800usb>. |
| 06:34.12 | simonlnu | chaospsychex: ^^ |
| 06:34.46 | simonlnu | chaospsychex: also /msg dpkg 4312 |
| 06:36.08 | chaospsychex | i'm going to have to install the firmware from usb stick |
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| 06:41.50 | chaospsychex | is 6.0.3 lenny , squeeze ? |
| 06:42.36 | dname | 5 lenny |
| 06:42.37 | Guest81346 | Hi! Can you help me, please? I have debian squeeze, and i need glib >=2.28. I tried install libglib2.0-0 from backports, but I got "Lastest version already installed" |
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| 06:44.40 | valdyn | judd: versions libglib2.0-0 |
| 06:44.42 | judd | Package: libglib2.0-0 on i386 -- lenny-security: 2.16.6-1+lenny1; lenny: 2.16.6-3; lenny-backports: 2.24.2-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.24.2-1; sid: 2.28.8-1; wheezy: 2.28.8-1; experimental: 2.30.2-3 |
| 06:45.05 | nvz | I think I just scared windows... somehow it seems to have known I was trying to partition that drive and now it won't let me mount or see it in gparted just keeps scanning |
| 06:45.09 | valdyn | Guest74610: its not there. If you need it you need to backport it |
| 06:45.28 | nvz | whats really strange is all seems normal with sda in dmesg, no errors and its detected |
| 06:46.13 | dsourcerer | valdyn: okay. I grab sources of glib and compiled them. What should I do next? |
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| 06:46.26 | valdyn | !ssb |
| 06:46.26 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 06:46.54 | dsourcerer | Wow, cool! |
| 06:47.08 | valdyn | dsourcerer: its not as straightforward as this might seem |
| 06:47.26 | valdyn | dsourcerer: libglib2.0-0 is a package that alot of other packages depend on |
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| 06:47.45 | valdyn | dsourcerer: which means that changing it has the potential to break alot of things |
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| 06:48.59 | dsourcerer | I hope everything will be algright. If not, I'll just install wheezy. |
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| 06:49.10 | dsourcerer | But I don't like wheezy. |
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| 07:10.57 | jiltdil | export command not found ??? How to make export command work i am using bash |
| 07:11.33 | dinexi | jiltdil: Show us how to reproduce this please. |
| 07:12.24 | jiltdil | dinexi:i used like export LFS=/mnt/lfs |
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| 07:13.31 | Dewi | jiltdil: if you were typing it like that, it would work, in bash |
| 07:13.48 | Dewi | jiltdil: so something else is wrong |
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| 07:13.58 | jiltdil | Devi: not working strange for me , Any idea?? |
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| 07:15.03 | grepper | I'd like to turn off automatic package cache generation when using apt-cache ... I see in the manpage a ref to APT::Cache::Generate but unsure of where to put this option or what the format would be. Anyone know ? |
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| 07:16.30 | blackshirt | grepper: i think you can use -o flag, like apt-cache -o 'APT::Cache::Generate=value' |
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| 07:18.22 | grepper | blackshirt: where ? In /etc/apt/apt.conf ? ( which I notice no longer exists on my system) |
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| 07:20.43 | grepper | ah, you mean on the command line |
| 07:21.04 | blackshirt | grepper: yeah, on command line |
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| 07:21.53 | grepper | brings up the help output, guess I've got it wrong. I was using apt-cache -o 'APT::Cache::Generate=0' |
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| 07:23.36 | grepper | tried "no" and "false" as well |
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| 07:27.47 | chelz | grepper: man 5 apt.conf |
| 07:27.58 | grepper | been there |
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| 07:28.18 | grepper | looking at /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz |
| 07:28.21 | blackshirt | grepper: you can place in on apt configuration |
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| 07:28.45 | chelz | "Syntacticly, the configuration language is modeled after what the ISC tools such as bind and dhcp use. Lines starting with // are treated as comments (ignored). Each line is of the form: |
| 07:28.46 | chelz | " |
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| 07:29.32 | grepper | going to try to put: Cache { Generate "false"; } in apt.conf (on multiple lines) |
| 07:31.50 | grepper | seems to have taken: $ apt-config dump |grep Generate |
| 07:31.51 | grepper | Cache::Generate "false"; |
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| 07:33.02 | grepper | or not ... |
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| 07:34.19 | grepper | putting Foo { Bar "true"; } also shows up with apt-config dump, so its not a valid test apparently |
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| 07:35.11 | grepper | I think it works though, things are very fast now with apt-cache search. Thanks to all who answered. |
| 07:35.23 | chelz | grepper: http://linux.die.net/man/5/apt.conf |
| 07:35.34 | dinexi | Sorry but I will re-ask my question about pulseaudio. I have installed debian 6.0.3 and got a problem with alsa. If I am redirecting alsa's output to pulse (using /etc/asound.conf), mplayer tells me "open_shm(): Permission denied". If I am renaming asound.conf, alsa works. How can I solve this problem with permissions? |
| 07:35.40 | chelz | grepper: says this is one way: APT::Get::Assume-Yes "true";The trailing semicolon is required and the quotes are optional. |
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| 07:37.00 | chelz | dinexi: permissions might not be the best way to solve that but you could "chmod 000 asound.conf" |
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| 07:37.53 | ompaul | dinexi: that wouldn't be a good way to solve it it would be better to have a script that looked at asound.conf and if it finds it, it mv asound.conf oldasound.conf, if it does not find it it it moves oldasound.conf to asound.conf |
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| 07:39.04 | ompaul | still very hackish |
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| 07:39.35 | dinexi | ompaul: I think, I didn't explain this problem correctly. Will try to rephrase. From the scratch, debian created this file in /etc/. Everything is okay with it. |
| 07:40.12 | dinexi | But when I'm starting, say, mplayer, I see an error message. And there is no sound, of course. |
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| 07:40.55 | rox | dinexi: what does the error message say and where does it come from? |
| 07:40.58 | dinexi | Pure alsa (without pcm.pulse { type pulse; } and ctl.pulse { type pulse; }) works like a charm. |
| 07:41.36 | dinexi | rox: mplayer tells me "open_shm(): Permission denied" (I've told it above) |
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| 07:42.45 | dinexi | So, at the moment I see that problem is in PulseAudio but I don't know how to set it up. |
| 07:42.50 | chelz | sounds almost like /dev/shm |
| 07:43.01 | diego__ | hello there xfce users :) I just ditched my gnome for you due to the ugly unusable gnome v3 (and that I dont want to compile gnome v2 all the time when I get new libraries) |
| 07:43.19 | diego__ | can you help me get that ugly foreground color out of my desktop icons text please |
| 07:43.22 | diego__ | its really annoying :D |
| 07:43.23 | chelz | dinexi: what permissions do you have set on /dev/shm ? |
| 07:43.24 | rox | diego__: welcome :-) |
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| 07:43.40 | diego__ | I really like xfce so far, just that foreground annoying color |
| 07:43.41 | pif | hi, what's the best way to set an IP address at initrd stage? (to contact dropbear to unlock crypt root partition) |
| 07:44.26 | chelz | pif: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/579 |
| 07:44.44 | pif | chelz: thanks |
| 07:45.09 | diego__ | any ideas how can I get transparent foreground for the text there ? |
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| 07:45.17 | rox | diego__: like in gnome, you have xfce settings, where you can change your theme or even create your custom color scheme |
| 07:45.27 | dinexi | chelz: Yes. But I don't understand, what. Both /dev/shm and /run/shm are 0777. But I don't see them in mount output. So they're not tmpfs, right? |
| 07:46.01 | diego__ | in desktop settings I can change the font, but not that color |
| 07:46.03 | dinexi | chelz: I am a rookie in Debian, and this move to /run whas a news for me. :) |
| 07:46.04 | rox | diego__: xfce4-settings-manager is your friend |
| 07:46.12 | qop | every 6 months or so I want to come back to Debian, then I get to try something new based on rpm that seems like finally home |
| 07:46.14 | chelz | dinexi: i'm not sure |
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| 07:47.02 | qop | 6 months after that I find myself wishing this other distro were like debian... if only debian and rpm could fall in love and make a home for this little user over here... |
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| 07:47.42 | chelz | diego__: in settings you can finetune a crazy amount of stuff. look into the appearance section for fonts and stuff |
| 07:47.50 | qop | I guess it makes more sense to be in the distro I like and crave rpm instead :P |
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| 07:48.04 | rox | diego__: which foreground color are you talking about? Window title bar, when window is in foreground? Font color, when selected? |
| 07:48.14 | diego__ | rox: my icons in the desktop |
| 07:48.27 | diego__ | if I have a file in ~/Desktop |
| 07:48.33 | qop | !multilib |
| 07:48.34 | diego__ | I see it there, and the name of the file |
| 07:48.40 | ompaul | diego__: you were told about #xfce here but you spammed both debian channels |
| 07:48.49 | ompaul | gives up |
| 07:49.16 | diego__ | ompaul: sorry ? |
| 07:49.34 | rox | diego__: i think you also have different icon themes available, but like ompaul said, #xfce might be a better place to ask this question |
| 07:49.50 | diego__ | am I not in xfce ? |
| 07:49.53 | ompaul | eh no |
| 07:49.58 | ompaul | look at the channel name |
| 07:50.01 | diego__ | damn lol |
| 07:50.03 | ompaul | !debian |
| 07:50.03 | dpkg | methinks debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 07:50.04 | rox | diego__: you are in #debian |
| 07:50.09 | qop | anyone knows dpkg's factoid/nfo or have a better link to learn about multilib debian? |
| 07:50.11 | diego__ | sorry haha |
| 07:50.26 | qop | the debian.org page I read didnt say much |
| 07:50.32 | diego__ | thanks guy, I will switch to #xfce |
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| 07:52.13 | chelz | qop: you might google for "muliarch" |
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| 07:52.49 | dan7 | hi |
| 07:53.01 | rox | hi dan7 |
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| 07:58.01 | qop | chelz: thanks but that only explains what multiarch is |
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| 07:58.31 | qop | now how it is handled in debian, gentoo and arch have different implementations ej |
| 07:59.41 | qop | gentoo is just a 64 kernel afaik with 32 libs, and arch does something like diplicated trees |
| 07:59.46 | qop | or something |
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| 08:02.17 | qop | oh that is exxplained in the links bellow nvm :) |
| 08:02.38 | chelz | qop: :) |
| 08:03.10 | peterrooney | qop: there's also this trick: /msg dpkg listkeys <pattern> |
| 08:03.41 | qop | oh yess, long time I dont deal with my favourite bot |
| 08:03.45 | qop | !bot |
| 08:03.45 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 08:04.37 | peterrooney | dpkg: listkeys 32-bit |
| 08:04.39 | dpkg | Factoid search of '32-bit' by key (5): 32-bit operating systems ;; 32-bit chroot ;; 32-bit color depth ;; 32-bit memory chips ;; 32-bit chips. |
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| 08:12.46 | yagoo | anyone knows what the debian installer uses for partioning? (libparted?) |
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| 08:13.54 | qop | most likely |
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| 08:24.04 | GTRsdk | would ndiswrapper allow me to connect to WPA2? |
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| 08:27.32 | rox | GTRsdk: i can't see why not |
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| 08:28.27 | GTRsdk | I noticed that my card worked in Ubuntu 11.04 (with kernel 2.6.38) but not in 10.10 (with 2.6.35). Would Debian Wheezy with Kernel 3.0 be best? |
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| 08:30.22 | apollov | Hi all. I'm having troubles on Sid with Gnome 3. Some apps (ex. gnome-terminal, nautilus etc) don't handle keyboard presses, while others (Pidgin, Iceweasel, Icedove etc.) do. Is it a way to handle this? |
| 08:30.30 | rox | GTRsdk: well, if i were you, i+'d do this: 1. google for ndiswrapper and your card, to see, what problems other people have with it 2. upgrade the kernel (not a whole new install), to see if it works |
| 08:31.05 | alfadir | looking for alternatives for silc-server and pwsafe, both "dying", any good suggestions ? (future proof!) |
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| 08:31.30 | GTRsdk | apollov: Sid is unstable |
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| 08:31.54 | rox | apollov: right, sid is by definition always broken |
| 08:32.01 | GTRsdk | rox: The computer doesn't currently have Debian on it, so I am trying to see if Wheezy or Squeeze would be best for it. |
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| 08:32.49 | rox | GTRsdk: if nobody here has any experience with your exact setup (your exact wifi chip + ndiswrapper), your best bet is to google it up |
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| 08:33.23 | rox | GTRsdk: it's not hard to install a bunch of kernels and try them out, if i were you, this is the way i would try to solve the problem |
| 08:33.50 | alfadir | GTRsdk: what pciid ? |
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| 08:34.38 | GTRsdk | rox: ah okay. I have used both out of the box and ndiswrapper methods (and even native app), so I think it will work |
| 08:34.43 | apollov | GTRsdk: I know. I accidentally updated my gnome from 2.28 to 3 when installed gnome-control center. Had fun yesterday trying to revert back - but unsuccessfully. Actually, some characters do print, and then input stops - until i switch to another application and then back. |
| 08:35.16 | GTRsdk | apollov: using unstable is about just as good as using experimental |
| 08:35.31 | GTRsdk | apollov: you might want to consider using Debian Wheezy if you like newer stuff |
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| 08:36.36 | apollov | GTRsdk: ok I understand that. But that doesn't solve the issue, sorry :) |
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| 08:41.52 | alex88 | hi guys |
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| 08:42.50 | alex88 | i've a server running promox, actually vmbr0 interface is bridged on eth0, vmbr1 on dumm0, i want to create a vpn interface and create anothe vmbr interface to bridge on the vpn's tap0 interface, how can i do that? |
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| 09:06.47 | GTRsdk | can the Debian ISO be copied to a flash drive using dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb ? |
| 09:07.15 | rox | GTRsdk: i don't think so, but there is a tool for that |
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| 09:08.11 | rox | GTRsdk: unetbootin |
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| 09:10.08 | rox | GTRsdk: it's easy to use, has many options and has worked perfectly for me every time i used it |
| 09:10.38 | yagoo | GTRsdk, ya i believe so.. the latest i believe you can |
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| 09:11.24 | GTRsdk | yagoo: I haven't been to load any kernels on the weekly CD and no modules on the daily netinst |
| 09:11.29 | GTRsdk | both amd64 |
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| 09:13.42 | yagoo | GTRsdk, there's two top links that may help (google terms- "debian usb wiki") |
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| 09:14.14 | yagoo | GTRsdk, i've never done usb install.. but according to some debian doc.. dd can work.. |
| 09:14.44 | yagoo | i'm guessing if it doesnt, then you'd need to further tweak it or something.. |
| 09:14.44 | GTRsdk | I have had luck with unetbootin and rox said that it would work, so I'm going to use it |
| 09:15.02 | yagoo | GTRsdk, i would suggest pendrive.. |
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| 09:15.07 | zW | Morning. I run squeezy with a kernel upgraded to 3.0.4, I have syn cookies enabled. I see a bunch of TCP: Possible SYN flooding on port 25. Sending cookies messages wich is a good thing because the cookies are trying to do something |
| 09:15.19 | GTRsdk | yagoo: what is that? |
| 09:15.24 | zW | But my box still slowes down untill it completely freezes |
| 09:15.40 | zW | Any ideas how to solve this ? Can iptables be a fix ? |
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| 09:16.45 | yagoo | GTRsdk, see if http://www.pendrivelinux.com/ or one of its bottom links offers to do 6.0.3 transfter to usb (http://www.pendrivelinux.com/liveusb-install-live-usb-creator/) |
| 09:18.22 | yagoo | GTRsdk, otherwise you'd have to make the usb installer manually.. and that means xx commands.. to me it's pita.. pita pita pita |
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| 09:21.41 | yagoo | GTRsdk, were you saying kernels from the cd were not booting from the usb? (or you asking how you can make any install work?) |
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| 09:27.59 | GTRsdk | yagoo: it was a boot from usb but no kernels were found on USB. It now works after using unetbootin (thanks for the info, rox ) |
| 09:28.34 | rox | GTRsdk: you are welcome |
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| 09:30.50 | GTRsdk | I think it is a problem in the ISO. It still does not work. |
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| 09:32.12 | yagoo | nah |
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| 09:35.04 | GTRsdk | I should probably use 6.0.3 ISO (AMD64) instead of the weekly or daily generated ones |
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| 10:00.55 | tusmi | My dev null is chmodded 700. When i chmod it back to 777 it gets re-set to 700 |
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| 10:38.23 | pumafyre | I have connection issues with Squeeze KDE. I keep getting kicked off of my wifi |
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| 10:43.36 | derpinson | hi |
| 10:43.42 | derpinson | i've just read an article |
| 10:43.53 | derpinson | http://blog.sesse.net/blog/tech/2011-11-15-21-44_ebury_a_new_ssh_trojan.html |
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| 10:44.23 | derpinson | and was wondering if someone with debian squeeze would like to compare a hash of /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 10:45.15 | rox | derpinson: why would you want that? |
| 10:45.46 | derpinson | it should return same value if installed from the repos |
| 10:46.30 | rox | derpinson: right, but you do have hash ckeck when you install packages |
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| 10:46.39 | rox | derpinson: that should suffice, right? |
| 10:46.46 | derpinson | right |
| 10:46.50 | derpinson | I did not |
| 10:47.09 | rox | derpinson: you did not set up hash checking in apt-get? |
| 10:47.11 | derpinson | but wait |
| 10:47.23 | derpinson | ssh came with the system |
| 10:47.24 | derpinson | lol |
| 10:47.26 | derpinson | i'm dumb |
| 10:47.48 | derpinson | rox : I use aptitude now |
| 10:47.55 | derpinson | but i'll look into it |
| 10:47.56 | petemc | look in /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-server.md5sums |
| 10:48.01 | tusmi | _michi_: It's a server, we dont reboot it |
| 10:48.06 | rox | derpinson: it doesn't matter, it should work either way |
| 10:49.07 | derpinson | petemc : sweet |
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| 10:57.11 | babilen | derpinson: And look at the "debsums" package. |
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| 10:58.07 | derpinson | "and in some but not all cases, it seems .list files are edited so as to fool debsums" |
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| 10:59.23 | pumafyre | how do I open port 22 on my box? I can't ssh into my machine |
| 10:59.51 | rox | pumafyre: sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 11:00.06 | pumafyre | rox: thank you :) |
| 11:00.10 | rox | pumafyre: if ssh is not installed, install sshd beforehand |
| 11:00.13 | pumafyre | it is |
| 11:00.53 | pumafyre | worked |
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| 11:00.55 | pumafyre | thank you |
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| 11:11.44 | elcolombianito | hey |
| 11:13.10 | elcolombianito | i just had a kernel crash, which i had been experimenting on my laptop for a few times. but this time when i reeboted (debian squeeze), i had a message that informed me about the bug and asked me to send it to www.kerneloops.com |
| 11:13.25 | elcolombianito | what app was it that did this? |
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| 11:15.56 | paul3 | heya, guys:) why do I hear only one sound channel from both speakers? |
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| 11:19.57 | paul3 | come on, help :))) please:) stereo music sucks :)) |
| 11:20.14 | paul3 | can only hear rhytm guitar:) |
| 11:20.27 | paul3 | cuz lead's in another channel:) |
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| 11:28.37 | laurus | I am experiencing weird behavior with a USB keyboard on my netbook. It seems the caps lock key is permanently locked. Even when I unplug it, now everything is in caps. How do I fix this? |
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| 11:30.08 | mvv_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:30.20 | laurus | mvv: How can I tell? |
| 11:30.22 | mvv_ | can you replicate it with a different keyboard? |
| 11:30.26 | mvv_ | type 'dmesg' |
| 11:30.45 | laurus | [ 369.834051] generic-usb 0003:1A2C:0002.000A: usb_submit_urb(ctrl) failed |
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| 11:32.02 | laurus | Is that significant? |
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| 11:38.40 | cccc828 | Hello a question: I administer a server for an university where users can run the opnet modeler software. For some reason a user has a proc directory in his home folder. What could be the reason for that? |
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| 11:42.08 | somiaj | cccc828: you can mount proc anywhere...have you typed 'mount' to see why its mounted there, or did he just make a copy of /proc at one point (maybe on accident)? |
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| 11:49.35 | cccc828 | somiaj: thanks for the info. it is not mounted and it is not a copy of /proc (at least it look extremly different from /proc) |
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| 11:50.57 | cccc828 | it is a bit a a mystery to me. I guess I will just e-mail the student and ask what he did |
| 11:51.33 | somiaj | cccc828: well if he owns it, it is something he or another program wrote. I couldn't guess what it is, but doesn't appear your mounting proc there, nor a copy. If he wasnt being malicious and trying to hide is tracks, you could check his .bash_history to see what commands he has been running (though he could have also copied it there via ssh) |
| 11:52.02 | babilen | cccc828: Sounds as if the user just created a ~/proc directory for reasons unknown to us. How would you characterise the content? |
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| 11:53.02 | babilen | cccc828: You might also want to make sure that you respect your users privacy |
| 11:53.16 | cccc828 | http://pastebin.com/0HRb4czP here is a pastebin of ls -l |
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| 11:54.20 | x3_iVaN | hi |
| 11:54.36 | cccc828 | mh privacy is a good point. |
| 11:54.37 | cccc828 | whoa. |
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| 11:54.53 | cccc828 | As far as i know they sign a paper |
| 11:54.56 | cccc828 | but you are right |
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| 11:55.36 | cccc828 | I should check this with my boss (well he asked me to invesitage), but i am not sure what the law/university policies say |
| 11:55.43 | babilen | cccc828: That looks like /proc does it not? I would contact the student (btw, I know those usernames) but please check first in which circumstances you are allowed access to user's data. |
| 11:56.41 | cccc828 | no - /proc has for more directories |
| 11:57.11 | adisbladis | Anyone who is into debian packaging who think they can help me with a problem? I didnt get a reply any of the times i tried yesterday.. |
| 11:58.10 | cccc828 | but the privacy issue is a valid one. I assume they had to sign something |
| 11:58.13 | cccc828 | but am not sure |
| 11:58.32 | babilen | cccc828: /proc changes as it reflects the currently running processes. That being said: everyone can access /proc and has access to those parameters of processes within the user's privileges |
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| 11:59.16 | babilen | adisbladis: Just ask, but note that the seminal channel for packaging support if #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
| 11:59.18 | cccc828 | just .... who would want to copy /proc? |
| 11:59.23 | babilen | *shrug* |
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| 12:02.33 | cccc828 | mmh babilen - thanks for pointing out the privacy issues. Although I care a lot about privacy, I was totally blind to the fact that my investigation can violate a user's privacy. Is a strange feeling. |
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| 12:02.55 | supayoshi | Hi for the people still here, that helped me fixing grub yesterday :3 i rebooted took my gamble, and it worked just fine :D |
| 12:03.05 | supayoshi | Thanks fort the help though :P |
| 12:03.27 | jel | Anyone know how to list the partitions in a raw disk image? Something like fdisk -l /tmp/myimage.raw, that actually works? :) |
| 12:03.43 | petemc | kpartx |
| 12:04.27 | jel | Excellent, thanks pete :) |
| 12:04.37 | petemc | np |
| 12:04.42 | petemc | hello btw :) |
| 12:04.53 | jel | Hey :) How are you? |
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| 12:05.02 | petemc | all good, its friday |
| 12:05.14 | babilen | cccc828: Understandable :) I guess the best way to deal with this is to contact the student in question. Having /proc outside, well, /proc might come in handy for chroots, but you would merely mount it there. Copying really doesn't make much sense. Good luck! |
| 12:05.18 | jel | :D |
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| 12:05.58 | cccc828 | babilen: thank you for you help! :) |
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| 12:06.16 | babilen | cccc828: May I PM you? |
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| 12:06.20 | cccc828 | sure! |
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| 12:08.27 | Kasreyn | my autocomplete is broken. bzip2 -d <TAB> lists every file but those ending in .bz2. how can you fix it? |
| 12:08.29 | somiaj | cccc828: again if he did it from a shell you might see a cp -r /proc ./ in .bash_history. Though if some app he ran created it you won't see something so obvious. |
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| 12:12.09 | jel | Kasreyn, you should have an /etc/bash_completion.d/bzip2 file, and a line in /etc/bash_completion like "complete -f -X '!*.?(t)bz?(2)' bunzip2 bzcat pbunzip2 pbzcat |
| 12:12.27 | jel | " |
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| 12:14.05 | Kasreyn | jel: i mean why complicate things. also try hitting tab after "bzip2 -d -k". then do it with "bzip2 -k -d". apparently switch order matters |
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| 12:16.59 | jel | Kasreyn, I'm not a big fan of the filename completion based on extensions. Too often, I want to untar a file, so I do tar -xvzf fileprefix<tab>, and nothing happens, because it's bzipped, not gzipped. So then I have to go back, check the filename in the directory, edit the tar flags, forward again, complete, etc. I'd rather just complete, see it's .bz2, and adjust the flag. |
| 12:17.54 | Kasreyn | jel: exactly. so .. uninstall bash-completion ? |
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| 12:18.20 | jel | Kasreyn, up to you, but I like it for other things :) |
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| 12:33.23 | sorcamillo | ciao |
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| 12:34.42 | rox | sorcamillo: ciao |
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| 12:37.15 | walterheck | hello, i want to change my i/o scheduler to deadline so that it is persistent through reboots, but I can't find the proper config file to do it in (no /etc/grub.conf or /boot/grub/grub.conf). Ideas? |
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| 12:38.47 | rox | walterheck: there should be /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 12:39.31 | sorcamillo | !list |
| 12:39.32 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
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| 12:39.49 | walterheck | rox: # ls /boot/grub/ |
| 12:39.49 | walterheck | default device.map e2fs_stage1_5 fat_stage1_5 jfs_stage1_5 menu.lst menu.lst~ minix_stage1_5 reiserfs_stage1_5 stage1 stage2 xfs_stage1_5 |
| 12:40.21 | nsadmin | sorcamillo, the nearest warez site is about 08934 light years to your left |
| 12:40.35 | rox | walterheck: on some distributions /boot/grub/grub.conf is just a symlink to /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 12:40.45 | rox | walterheck: so i guess that is what you are looking for |
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| 12:41.00 | walterheck | it's lenny |
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| 12:41.39 | rox | walterheck: menu.lst is the file you are looking for |
| 12:42.02 | rox | walterheck: if you want to change your kernel's boot parameters |
| 12:42.29 | walterheck | rox: cool, thanks |
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| 12:48.52 | walterheck | rox: I added it to #defoptions, that should make it persistent through future kernel upgrades as well, right? |
| 12:50.22 | rox | walterheck: you should also uncomment the line |
| 12:50.35 | walterheck | but it says in the file I shouldn't? |
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| 12:51.12 | walterheck | rox: ## DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM, Just edit them to your needs |
| 12:51.23 | rox | walterheck: ahh, right |
| 12:51.40 | rox | walterheck: sorry about that |
| 12:52.11 | rox | walterheck: reboot and see if it does what you want it to do |
| 12:52.14 | walterheck | rox: no worries |
| 12:52.23 | rox | walterheck: and please check back and tell us |
| 12:52.32 | walterheck | well, it's a remote server, what happens if I made a booboo? |
| 12:52.54 | rox | walterheck: if you made a booboo, you will need to travel to that server :-/ |
| 12:53.14 | walterheck | rox: cool, in that case i'll go verify one more time :) |
| 12:54.26 | rox | walterheck: http://technotes.twosmallcoins.com/?tag=bootgrubmenulst |
| 12:55.07 | rox | walterheck: in this blog you will find instructions on how to check your menu.lst file for corectness |
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| 13:02.35 | haha | hi |
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| 13:05.47 | archman | anyone experienced full lockups when viewing youtube with the latest iceweasel? everything hangs, mouse freezes, but the audio continues to work.. |
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| 13:06.37 | jelly | archman: which debian release? which graphic card and driver and driver version? |
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| 13:08.26 | archman | jelly: squeeze, intel 945GM, i915 module |
| 13:08.49 | archman | crashed twice today, never happened before |
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| 13:09.17 | jelly | no idea, then |
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| 13:10.46 | archman | jelly: latest update: http://pastebin.com/ZnEagxPP |
| 13:11.40 | walterheck | rox: so yeah, adding that option to #defoptions, then running update-grub did the trick |
| 13:11.59 | jelly | archman: nothing remotely associated with graphics or X or flash |
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| 13:12.07 | kristian-aalborg | cheers |
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| 13:12.49 | kristian-aalborg | so, if I put the standard netinstall ISO in a machine w/ 2 cores and 4 gigs of memory, will it work properly? |
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| 13:13.32 | archman | crashed again just now |
| 13:13.43 | archman | third time today...gotta try another browser |
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| 13:27.43 | KamZou | Hello, i have a conflict with my DHCP-DDNS architechture ... 2 linux clients got the same ddns-txt in dhcpd.leases, do you know why ? |
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| 13:29.20 | mvv_ | KamZou: yeah, it happens when you ask the same question in #ubuntu and #debian |
| 13:29.52 | gentz | What filesystem is should I use for a hard drive that will store only files between 1 and 5 MB with an average size of 2.5 MB? |
| 13:30.12 | jelly | gentz: ext3? |
| 13:30.23 | mvv_ | gentz: depends on your performance requirements, if any, ext3/4 is probably fine |
| 13:30.26 | KamZou | mvv_, rapport ? |
| 13:30.36 | gentz | was wondering whether xfs was worth looking at? |
| 13:31.14 | mvv_ | is ext4 too slow? |
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| 13:32.41 | gentz | mvv_: i've heard ext4 has reliabiltiy problems, data loss issues. |
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| 13:33.37 | mvv_ | some say XFS/reiserfs has them too... |
| 13:34.27 | mvv_ | if i were you...i'd read the wikipedia pages on ext2/3/4, xfs, and have backups. backups are good. |
| 13:35.03 | gentz | hmm guess ill stick with ext3 then. thanks |
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| 13:36.50 | rozie | gentz: don't spread FUD |
| 13:37.17 | rozie | ext4 has no stability issues for a long time |
| 13:37.17 | mvv_ | not sure why but when i was using jfs2 i lost most of the FS twice, that sucked. all the files turned up in LOST+FOUND, nameless of course, never worked out why that was |
| 13:37.35 | rox | gentz: ext3 is your tried and tested reliable file system, it might not be as fast or as efficient, as other filesystems claim to be, but if you want to avoid data loss, ext3 is the most reliable one |
| 13:37.59 | Twinkletoes | I want to keep 2 remote directories in sync, using rsync. Is it best to schedule a run every 5 minutes, or is there a way to detect if any directory contents have changed, and only kick off rsync if required? |
| 13:38.14 | rozie | reiserfs was considered "unstable" for long time because one specific kernel version had (indeed had) bug... |
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| 13:38.18 | mvv_ | Twinkletoes: there is, using inotify |
| 13:38.35 | rox | gentz: and it is not as if ext3 has been stagnating, during the last few years it has gained a lot on performance through a few strategic backwards compatible changes in code. |
| 13:38.39 | Twinkletoes | mvv_: Reading about it now, thank you :) |
| 13:38.48 | gentz | Ah looks like i can't use ext3 (max files per directory is 32kish). Am going to have upwards of 500k files in a directory |
| 13:38.50 | mvv_ | Twinkletoes: though...could export over NFS also |
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| 13:39.26 | rozie | gentz: can't you do nothing about number of files in single directory? |
| 13:39.28 | mvv_ | gentz: that's a big detail to omit |
| 13:39.32 | jelly | gentz: no, max directories per directory is 32k-ish. You can have millions of files in a directory, just the performace is horrible |
| 13:39.48 | Twinkletoes | mvv_: I Want to be able to copy files to a local destination, as some of them will be really big, and don't want to spend hours copying. Then let rsync copy the files to a public location where others can download very fast |
| 13:39.56 | rozie | s/nothing/anything/ |
| 13:40.10 | Twinkletoes | mvv_: I *could* copy direct to public location off-site, but that would take me ages |
| 13:40.16 | rozie | Twinkletoes: you can copy only changing files |
| 13:40.17 | mvv_ | Twinkletoes: ahh |
| 13:40.34 | rox | gentz: well, i don't know how well reiserfs is maintained, now that Hans Reiser is imprisoned, i know XFS was pretty well maintained until a few years ago. Look into others, jfs should be good enough, and ext4 should be pretty stable by now too |
| 13:40.54 | jelly | gentz: whatever fs you choose, I strongly suggest a different file/dir structure (avoid more than, say, 100k directory entries) |
| 13:40.58 | rozie | I'd go ext4 |
| 13:41.14 | mvv_ | i really enjoyed reiserfs's large number of files delete performance :), though that was sans hans reiser being imprisoned |
| 13:41.21 | rox | gentz: right, is there a good reason for having that many files in a single directory? |
| 13:41.53 | mvv_ | s/sans/before/ |
| 13:42.05 | jelly | or make sure the app doesn't have to readdir() but uses its own cache |
| 13:42.12 | rox | gentz: the thing is, that filesystems are optimized for a certain ballance of files/directories, too many files in a directory is going to cause performance problems on pretty much any filesystem |
| 13:42.14 | mvv_ | he likes ls to output a few megabytes |
| 13:42.57 | gentz | I was going to name the files by enumeration (1,2,...n) & cross-reference their name and other metadata in a table or db. |
| 13:43.07 | rox | mvv_: that's a really good reason, i guess he's entering a ls outputathon |
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| 13:43.22 | rox | with 500k files he is a serious contender for victory |
| 13:43.38 | gentz | lol. Do you guys have a better suggestion? |
| 13:44.04 | rox | gentz: if you want us to suggest something useful, you need to tell us more about your problem |
| 13:44.04 | gentz | I supposed I could split the numbers into dirs by an amt. say 1000 |
| 13:44.32 | gentz | rox: i described the naming scheme above. |
| 13:44.39 | mvv_ | i has an idea, benchmark! |
| 13:44.40 | rox | gentz: the sole idea of having files enumerated and then their relationships stored in a RMDB sounds pretty stupid |
| 13:44.59 | rox | gentz: why not store everything in RMDB? |
| 13:45.07 | gentz | rox: some files will have the same name but different data |
| 13:45.48 | rox | gentz: then your naming scheme fails right there, you can't have two files with the same name in the same dir |
| 13:46.26 | gentz | rox: i was explaining why i would name them enumeratively. |
| 13:47.11 | rox | scrolls up |
| 13:47.21 | mvv_ | i gotta say, the browser xxxterm and low contrast mode is pretty sweet |
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| 13:48.53 | gentz | rox: some of the files will be pictures or multimedia, which is why i can't store everything in a db. |
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| 13:49.40 | rox | gentz: why not, there are blob types in pretty much any RDBMS |
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| 13:50.19 | gentz | rox: it won't hurt performance? |
| 13:50.26 | rox | gentz: if you will have to serve them somewhere and your webserver is optimized for flat files, then i can understand why you don't want to put those in a DB |
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| 13:51.16 | rox | gentz: but then again, you will have their relationships stored in a DB, so you'l have the DB searxch overhead for every file you serve |
| 13:52.08 | rox | gentz: it might be a good idea to get rid of storing metadata in DB altogether, perhaps you can design a directory structure/naming scheme in such a way, that the filesystem itself will carry all the metadata you need |
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| 13:52.27 | mvv_ | isn't that just using a filesystem as a DB |
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| 13:54.10 | jelly | rox: that's not a very good idea, but it's sometimes necessary |
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| 13:56.19 | nsadmin | , versions lv2core |
| 13:56.21 | judd | Package: lv2core on i386 -- squeeze: 3.0-3; sid: 4.0-6; wheezy: 4.0-6 |
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| 13:56.47 | gentz | rox: i'll give it a shot all int he db i guess. |
| 13:57.11 | gentz | thanks all for the help |
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| 13:59.50 | Twinkletoes | mvv_: Is there a resource yo uknow of that esplains how to use inotify to monitor and notify about a directory? I can't find one yet |
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| 14:00.30 | mvv_ | Twinkletoes: aptitude search inotify |
| 14:00.48 | mvv_ | Twinkletoes: have a look at some of them |
| 14:01.13 | Twinkletoes | mvv_: I've already installed the tools, the rest are just lib stuff |
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| 14:02.06 | mvv_ | Twinkletoes: then man inotifywait |
| 14:02.17 | nsadmin | Checking for header lv2/lv2plug.in/ns/lv2core/lv2.h : not found |
| 14:02.27 | nsadmin | where's that one? :) |
| 14:02.32 | Twinkletoes | mvv_: ok, ty:) |
| 14:02.43 | untrusted | quick fix for "gnome-session[5227]: GLib-GIO-ERROR: Settings schema 'org.gnome.SessionManager' is not installed" ? |
| 14:02.48 | nsadmin | oh, nevermind, wrong ch |
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| 14:03.53 | untrusted | quick fix for gnome3 trouble in wheezy "gnome-session[5227]: GLib-GIO-ERROR: Settings schema 'org.gnome.SessionManager' is not installed" / looks like #648374? |
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| 14:08.24 | mvv_ | why the fsck have i been using python instead of ipython all these years |
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| 14:17.09 | boudiccas | i've just been trying to watch a film i've downloaded on squeeze, which is a divx film using vlc. the film screen did not open and it just used cpu cycles an d the machine became very slow and unresponsive. what codec am i missing please, and where do i find it? |
| 14:17.35 | mvv_ | i tend to grab mplayer from dmm |
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| 14:18.03 | boudiccas | mvv_; dmm? |
| 14:18.10 | mvv_ | debian multimedia |
| 14:18.21 | boudiccas | ah right thanks, i'll try that then |
| 14:18.46 | mvv_ | it'll probably have a copy of vlc+codecs that'll play the film you're after, too |
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| 14:19.15 | mvv_ | though the symptoms you describe don't nec. mean a missing codec, i'd say they're rather odd for a missing codec |
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| 14:21.50 | boudiccas | i've already got mplayer so i tried to play with that, and it came back that i'm missing 'windows media speech decoder'. any ideas where i can get it from please? |
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| 14:22.53 | untrusted | !codec |
| 14:22.53 | dpkg | A codec (portmanteau of "compressor-decompressor") is a program or device used to encode/decode a data stream or signal. Ask me about <libavcodec>, <w32codecs>. |
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| 14:23.54 | mvv_ | boudiccas: the dmm codec packages if you haven't already.. |
| 14:24.22 | boudiccas | mvv_; is that what theyre called dmm codec? |
| 14:25.51 | mvv_ | boudiccas: google for debian multimedia....set it up, then aptitude install mplayer w64codecs |
| 14:26.14 | boudiccas | mvv_; k, thanks |
| 14:26.31 | untrusted | !tell boudiccas about debian-multimedia |
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| 14:42.20 | mvv_ | question: when compiling new kernels, how does one know if the current userland is going to work with it? |
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| 14:42.49 | JPT | mvv_: try and error? |
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| 14:43.01 | JPT | or know all the hardware and modules you'll need |
| 14:43.01 | mvv_ | its always seemed to work fine, though i've wondered if that was just by chance |
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| 14:43.28 | mvv_ | i was more wondering if there becomes a time when glibc needs a recompile to match the new kernel or something, it's all a bit of a mystery to me |
| 14:43.29 | nsadmin | , file lv2/lv2plug.in/ns/extensions/ui/ui.h |
| 14:43.32 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 14:43.51 | nsadmin | , file lv2/lv2plug.in/ns/extensions/ui/ui.h --release wheezy |
| 14:43.55 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 14:44.24 | nsadmin | , file ui/ui.h --release wheezy |
| 14:44.27 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 14:57.34 | kurkale6ka | Hi, can I use host to query /etc/hosts? |
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| 14:58.58 | stew | kurkale6ka: you can't, host is just for dns. you can use "getent hosts hostname" which will follow your nss setup (which is typically /etc/hosts first, then dns) |
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| 14:59.48 | kurkale6ka | stew: cheers |
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| 15:06.12 | boudiccas | still having problems playing the file in vlc and mplayer, and its still asking for 'windows media speech decoder' even after installing w32codecs. any ideas please folks? |
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| 15:10.40 | cusco | hi |
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| 15:12.15 | boudiccas | i've just been trying to watch a film i've downloaded on squeeze, which is a divx film using vlc. the film screen did not open and it just used cpu cycles an d the machine became very slow and unresponsive. what codec am i missing please, and where do i find it? i've already installed w32codecs from debian multimedia and i get the same problem in mplayer where its asking for 'windows media speech decoder' |
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| 15:13.05 | talexb | Can I buy a clue? Looking for which debian package contrains the virtualbox guest additions. |
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| 15:14.04 | cusco | boudiccas: I use mplayer it opens everything along with w64codecs |
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| 15:17.06 | ecolitan | hello, there is a bug in the poppler package which this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=576404 says is fixed, but doesn't say what I would have to do. |
| 15:17.17 | boudiccas | cusco; i tried mplayer and used w32codecs because this isnt a 64bit machine |
| 15:17.58 | walle | boudiccas: what's you question |
| 15:18.06 | boudiccas | i've just been trying to watch a film i've downloaded on squeeze, which is a divx film using vlc. the film screen did not open and it just used cpu cycles an d the machine became very slow and unresponsive. what codec am i missing please, and where do i find it? i've already installed w32codecs from debian multimedia and i get the same problem in mplayer where its asking for 'windows media speech decoder' |
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| 15:18.30 | arghx | ecolitan: nothing. new version of poppler and that's it. |
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| 15:19.07 | walle | boudiccas: I don't know |
| 15:19.15 | ecolitan | arghx: but the new version is in sid, and I run squeeze. Can I simply download a single package and install it? |
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| 15:19.30 | arghx | ecolitan: no you cannot. you need to backport it then. /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 15:19.45 | arghx | boudiccas: get libavformat (after some googling). I strongly suggest dmm |
| 15:19.46 | walle | boudiccas: divx is what film? |
| 15:19.55 | arghx | walle: avi, mpeg4 |
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| 15:20.22 | arghx | ecolitan: directly apt-get from sid WILL break your squeeze so don't even think about it |
| 15:20.27 | arghx | ,versions libpoppler |
| 15:20.28 | walle | arghx: I use smplayer, it's work fine, never meet such problem... |
| 15:20.29 | judd | No package named 'libpoppler' was found in i386. |
| 15:20.44 | boudiccas | ,versions libavformat |
| 15:20.44 | judd | No package named 'libavformat' was found in i386. |
| 15:20.57 | ecolitan | ,versions libpoppler5 |
| 15:20.58 | judd | Package: libpoppler5 on i386 -- squeeze: 0.12.4-1.2 |
| 15:21.10 | arghx | boudiccas: apt-cache search libavformat. you will find it |
| 15:21.16 | walle | .versions clang |
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| 15:21.28 | arghx | walle: /msg judd versions .... |
| 15:22.13 | walle | arghx: thanks |
| 15:22.27 | ecolitan | arghx: might it be possible to just unpack the new .deb and replace the file, without installing the package? |
| 15:22.42 | arghx | ecolitan: no |
| 15:24.11 | arghx | ecolitan: and since your libpoppler is only in squeeze, a backport might not work or is rather convoluted. however: this bug report is from before squeeze was frozen. so what makes you think it hasn't been fixed? |
| 15:24.56 | ecolitan | because I have 150000 errors in my error.log |
| 15:24.56 | arghx | ok, seems version hasn't changed since the report :( |
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| 15:25.12 | arghx | ecolitan: do you know C/C++? |
| 15:25.38 | ecolitan | i'd have to say no...only enough to link things and compile packages |
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| 15:26.55 | arghx | you basically have to backport the fix suggested in the BTS yourself, that upstream commit (imho). you can try to backport libpoppler from sid but since there is no more libpoppler5 I dunno how well that would work, and definitely not automatic either, ie patching required |
| 15:27.47 | walle | arghx: could you use simple english word so i can understand? |
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| 15:29.02 | ecolitan | i've never backported anything and honestly wouldn't know where to start, is emailing the maintainer appropriate ? |
| 15:30.04 | arghx | you can |
| 15:30.14 | arghx | walle: understand what? |
| 15:30.20 | boudiccas | arghx; thanks, i found libavformat52 and installed that. now mplayer works without throwing out any error messages, but it doesnt play the film at its proper frame rate [its too fast] and vlc still freezes everything up. any ideas please? |
| 15:30.27 | ecolitan | arghx: ok, thanks for the advice! |
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| 15:30.43 | arghx | boudiccas: get better source material and not such proprietary crap? |
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| 15:31.34 | arghx | boudiccas: codecs are black arts, animal sacrifices and lots of math. |
| 15:31.53 | boudiccas | Argafal; ah, right. now i understand. thanks |
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| 15:32.21 | gcr | Hello there! /dev/sda has partitions, but the /dev/sdaX devices aren't created. If I run fdisk /dev/sda and hit 'w', the partitions are created after boot. They even show up in dmesg but not in /proc/partitions until I reread it. Is this a udev issue? |
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| 15:33.05 | gcr | sorry, clarity: the /dev/sdaX devices don't appear at boot; they show up when I force the kernel to re-read the partition table using fdisk |
| 15:33.05 | boudiccas | sorry, that was meant for arghx , stupid auto-tab completion! |
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| 15:33.29 | walle | arghx: I read you topic, but some english word I can not understand |
| 15:33.36 | arghx | walle: which? |
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| 15:35.40 | walle | arghx: ...Just talking, don't care me. |
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| 15:36.28 | _Possum | is it very bad to install gnome on debian? |
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| 15:38.37 | tensorpudding | _Possum, why would it be |
| 15:38.38 | arghx | _Possum: why would it bad? CD1 ships with gnome |
| 15:39.00 | tensorpudding | oh, hmm |
| 15:39.07 | _Possum | dunno people tell me if i wnt gui and debian i should go with ubuntu |
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| 15:39.11 | tensorpudding | why does installing gnome want to install gnash? |
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| 15:39.16 | tensorpudding | why is gnash a dep of gnome? |
| 15:39.31 | arghx | tensorpudding: recommended rears it ugly head again |
| 15:40.06 | tensorpudding | so long as it is ignored it's fine for me |
| 15:40.15 | tensorpudding | i have adobe's installed |
| 15:40.32 | arghx | how have you installed it? debian way or on your own? |
| 15:40.50 | tensorpudding | i installed flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 15:41.10 | arghx | if gnash is used then, file a bug |
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| 15:47.44 | ecolitan | is wheezy the same as squeeze-backports ? |
| 15:47.52 | valdyn | ecolitan: no |
| 15:47.52 | movl | ecolitan: nope |
| 15:47.57 | ecolitan | ty |
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| 15:48.36 | ecolitan | its so confusing, why couldnt they just use numbers |
| 15:48.47 | tensorpudding | there are numbers |
| 15:48.57 | tensorpudding | but only when they release, as far as i know |
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| 15:49.33 | tensorpudding | a current squeeze is 6.0.3, says my /etc/debian_version |
| 15:50.16 | ecolitan | squeeze cant install packages from sid, but can it from wheeze? |
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| 15:50.27 | valdyn | ecolitan: no |
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| 15:50.32 | ElDiabolo | ecolitan, depends ... |
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| 15:50.59 | ecolitan | depends on how brave I am or what? |
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| 15:51.47 | valdyn | ecolitan: its not supported, it breaks stuff. You can only do it with reasonable safety if you are very far from having to ask such questions |
| 15:52.34 | ecolitan | so basically if its not in squeeze-backports or squeeze, I can't get it |
| 15:52.46 | valdyn | ecolitan: no |
| 15:53.02 | ElDiabolo | ecolitan, Yes, but mostly if squeeze still satisfies the dependencies of the package you want to install. |
| 15:53.16 | valdyn | ecolitan: "if its not in squeeze-backports or squeeze then its not supported by debian" |
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| 15:53.43 | ecolitan | well I think i'll just clone a vm and try it out! |
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| 15:55.30 | ecolitan | and if I email the maintainer asking for a backport, the proper thing to ask for is "a backport of package from wheeze into squeeze-backports" ? |
| 15:55.55 | Phil-Work | wheezy |
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| 15:56.31 | LiveOs | hello everyone |
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| 15:57.15 | valdyn | ecolitan: no, to squeeze |
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| 15:57.31 | valdyn | ecolitan: squeeze-backports is packages backported to squeeze |
| 15:57.46 | ecolitan | ok |
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| 15:58.31 | Dulak | ecolitan: it's much faster to get the source deb from wheezy/sid and compile it on squeeze yourself. You might have to edit the dependency versions to match squeeze but otherwise it's fairly easy to do. |
| 15:58.53 | ecolitan | Dulak thats a good idea |
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| 15:59.07 | LiveOs | I was surfing in the src directory and was hoping,is there a way to find the exact code for a particular command like "cd" for example? |
| 15:59.50 | valdyn | LiveOs: sure |
| 16:01.04 | LiveOs | valdyn: gr8 should i need adittionel packages/sources to get them? |
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| 16:01.29 | valdyn | LiveOs: source code is not on your system by default |
| 16:02.49 | LiveOs | valdyn: ok thank you for the help, is the pakage availble through the repository? |
| 16:02.57 | valdyn | LiveOs: yes |
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| 16:03.13 | LiveOs | ok thanks again |
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| 16:05.22 | smoove | hi |
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| 16:06.28 | liuyuan | Hey guys, how do i change my shared library path? |
| 16:06.36 | liuyuan | i've tried LD_LIBRARY_PATH and it didn't work |
| 16:06.42 | valdyn | liuyuan: it works |
| 16:07.55 | liuyuan | valdyn: nevermind, I've changed it in .zshrc and didn't export it :P |
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| 16:08.01 | liuyuan | silly me X) |
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| 16:08.11 | smoove | Not sure if it's a Windows or Linux question...I have a Windows computer at work that's running a Windows share, and a Linux machine I want to use to browse that share. The Windows share has permissions given to "Everyone". If I go to \\localhost , I see the local share. Now, when I do it from Linux, I get prompted for a username and password, and none of the variations I've tried worked (user, password, domain). Any ideas? |
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| 16:08.45 | valdyn | smoove: everyone does probably not include users that are not authenticated |
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| 16:09.00 | smoove | I guess it's a Windows question since I want it to not require authentication of any kind... |
| 16:09.01 | valdyn | smoove: "public" probably does, but thats a windows question |
| 16:09.06 | smoove | OK, thanks |
| 16:09.36 | tensorpudding | samba is a rough world, you're bound to misconfigure a few times |
| 16:10.55 | smoove | if CloneZilla Live supported writing to other network locations than Samba, SSH and NFS (whatever that last one is), I wouldn't mind...wish they had supported FTP or something equally trivial to get right. |
| 16:11.08 | smoove | I'll see if I can run an SSH server on the Windows machine... |
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| 16:12.34 | gcr | Does FTP support seeking? I bet that's why |
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| 16:13.40 | menace | are there any dh_ Modules which can handle python setuptools besides cdbs? |
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| 16:21.55 | menace | i could package it with python setup.py sdist --format=gztar and py2dsc' it. but that seems not very elegant |
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| 16:22.46 | dokma | is there a way to detect infrared receiver ona laptop? |
| 16:23.13 | dokma | I've verified I have bluetooth receiver even though the specs everywhere claim otherwise |
| 16:23.42 | menace | dokma: sometimes "dmesg | grep -i ired" or something similar helps :D |
| 16:23.45 | arghx | if it's hardware it needs to be access. usb or pci device |
| 16:23.51 | dokma | letm me try |
| 16:24.09 | arghx | in case of IrDA, it's usually acting as a serial port |
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| 16:27.01 | pobega | I installed Debian on a group of laptops last night, but I have a question; why is it that even with the same package versions, GNOME3 looks and acts like GNOME2 on one of them? |
| 16:27.25 | Dulak | pobega: because it went to fallback mode because of a video issue |
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| 16:27.45 | pobega | Dulak: thanks, that's what I figured. |
| 16:28.00 | Dulak | pobega: when that happens it means it couldn't do the fancy graphics for gnome3 so it falls back to a gnome2 like interface |
| 16:30.12 | dokma | I'm having strange problems in the virtual console when typeing letters appear only every second time I type |
| 16:30.18 | dokma | sometimes first time |
| 16:30.28 | dokma | it's very random |
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| 16:30.45 | dokma | and I don't have an idea even where to start debugging this one |
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| 16:32.05 | pobega | Dulak: thanks, now I just have to figure how the heck to setup an ATI card. I'm talking to dpkg about it now. |
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| 16:32.47 | pobega | Unless someone wants to point me in the right direction, I feel like I'm on a wild goose chase setting up ATI in Debian ;P |
| 16:32.59 | arghx | pobega: which ati chip? |
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| 16:33.21 | pobega | arghx: Radeon HD 4200 |
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| 16:33.38 | fab75002 | hi |
| 16:34.19 | fab75002 | i have a syntax question |
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| 16:34.41 | fab75002 | can i replace /var/log/apache/*.log { LOG ROTATE PARAMS } with /home/website1/logs/*.log , /home/website2/logs/*.log, /home/website3/logs/*.log { LOG ROTATE PARAMS } |
| 16:34.50 | fab75002 | the point is about the "," to add multiple condition |
| 16:35.29 | Twinkletoes | I'm using rsync over ssh, but want to do it using only keys. I've got my public keys in .ssh/authorized_keys, but where does one store private keys that ssh will use? |
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| 16:36.19 | abrotman | Twinkletoes: in $HOME for the user that will run the ssh client ? |
| 16:36.23 | jelly | Twinkletoes: ~/.ssh/id_[rd]sa |
| 16:36.34 | falz | yo. I can't seem to get cpufrequtils to allow my cpu to go above 800. cpufreq-info says 'hardware limits: 800 MHz - 1.40 GHz' but then 'current policy: frequency should be within 800 MHz and 800' |
| 16:36.35 | jordanm | Twinkletoes: by default it will use ~/.ssh/id_rsa or ~/.ssh/id_dsa |
| 16:36.36 | valdyn | Twinkletoes: private keys in plural? how does that make sense? |
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| 16:36.44 | Twinkletoes | I menat singular |
| 16:36.54 | falz | I've tried cpufreq-set -u 1.4ghz and it makes no difference |
| 16:37.26 | movl | falz: what is your default policy? |
| 16:37.30 | falz | I've forced the governor from 'ondemand' to 'performance' and sitll no difference |
| 16:37.36 | movl | oh |
| 16:37.41 | valdyn | Twinkletoes: or you just run ssh-keygen and let ssh do its thing, which could change from implementation changes |
| 16:37.43 | Twinkletoes | jordanm: Ah, I see, it's set in ssh_config |
| 16:39.08 | falz | here's what my cpufreq-info looks like http://pastebin.falz.net/153 |
| 16:39.21 | fab75002 | nobody can help me ? |
| 16:39.21 | llutz | Twinkletoes: you also could tell rsync what key to use: rsync -a --rsh="ssh -i /path/to/key" .... |
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| 16:39.34 | Twinkletoes | llutz: Ah |
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| 16:40.58 | falz | OR how do I just turn it off all together, I can remove most cpufreq_ modules but there's always one in use |
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| 16:41.03 | troutwine | Could someone have a look at this preseed failure and point me in the right direction: http://serverfault.com/questions/332444/why-does-this-preseed-for-gitolite-fail |
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| 16:42.29 | arghx | falz: what cpu is it? |
| 16:42.40 | falz | model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5270 @ 1.40GHz |
| 16:43.10 | troutwine | Alternatively, is it possible clear the values specified by a preseed? I cannot now install gitolite with its defaults. |
| 16:43.39 | arghx | falz: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors |
| 16:45.12 | pobega | Thanks for the help, have an awesome day everyone :D |
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| 16:46.50 | ben_ | I just installed the update / safe-upgrade to Debian and now there are display manager problems. Has anyone had this problem? |
| 16:47.19 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 16:47.19 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 16:47.21 | ben_ | A screen came up that asked if i wanted to stay with xdm or move to lightdm. The default was xdm so i went with that. |
| 16:47.22 | falz | userspace ondemand performance |
| 16:47.26 | falz | arghx: ^ |
| 16:47.44 | falz | hmm actually I think it may have fixed itsself when I removed all of the modules and re-added |
| 16:47.55 | ben_ | but it wan't able to upgrade because xdm was still opena nd it downloaded lightdm files (and maybe installed them). i just chose the defaults. |
| 16:48.22 | ben_ | Now it hangs on a blinking cursor instead of opening xdm (or any dm). Am I screwed? |
| 16:48.35 | falz | yea and now it's letting me force speeds. wtf |
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| 16:49.04 | dokma | anyone knows of a way to control amarok with my mobile phone via bluetooth??? |
| 16:49.25 | dokma | I need it for dance lessons to start/stop music |
| 16:49.31 | dokma | and change the volume |
| 16:50.13 | ben_ | Does anyone know how to fix this problem? Do I just have to reinstall Debian? |
| 16:50.15 | arghx | falz: set the governor to perfomance. also: plug it in when you set it ondemand and then run whatever program that needs the cpu |
| 16:50.30 | arghx | ben_: are you running wheezy? |
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| 16:51.10 | ben_ | arghx: Yes, Wheezy testing. |
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| 16:51.23 | arghx | ben_: then please reinstall debian stable (squeeze) and stay with it this time |
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| 16:52.01 | ben_ | arghx: So you are saying there is no way to fix this? I just have to start over? I have not had problems with wheezy testing yet until this. :( |
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| 16:53.06 | arghx | there are lots of ways. but your questions clearly shows you have no clue how " Am I screwed?" "Do I just have to reinstall Debian?". Unless someone fixes it for you, it won't get fixed and that is the reason you shouldn't run debian testing where such breakage will happen a lot |
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| 16:54.14 | arghx | ben_: debian testing is for experienced debian users who can fix minor things on their own or at least provide some info what the error/problem is. you can neither so debian testing is not the right distro for you |
| 16:54.43 | ben_ | arghx: Well, is there a way to see what's wrong with my setup? The reason I asked "Am I screwed?" is because without the dm even loading, I guess I don't know where to start. That's why I came here. Do you have any advice? |
| 16:55.15 | arghx | yes, go to a console and check your logs |
| 16:55.22 | ben_ | arghx: I was able to identify that it was a dm error. and that it was related to the update / upgrade of xdm. |
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| 16:55.35 | arghx | ben_: please install squeeze. good luck |
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| 16:55.42 | ben_ | arghx: Thank you. I am sorry, yes, I am new to this, but I want to learn. |
| 16:56.02 | ben_ | arghx: If you tell me how to go to a console and check my logs I will learn and be better for the future. |
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| 16:57.44 | ben_ | arghx: So how do I go straight to the console at start up and not activate the loading of xfce? |
| 16:58.36 | arghx | ben_: you have a console right now. at least you should try first. and that is really really basic linux knowledge |
| 16:58.40 | arghx | blames ubuntu |
| 16:59.14 | ben_ | arghx: I'm actually at work right now, because this is the only computer I can use because I'm trying to figure out how to get my home computer working again ya know? |
| 16:59.34 | ben_ | arghx: I'd blame Mac OS more. That's what I used to use. And I agree with you. Fuck Ubuntu. |
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| 17:00.14 | ben_ | arghx: That's why I chose Debian. Real community. Democratic development. What Ubuntu ripped off. |
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| 17:00.59 | lamah | the core of ununtu are debian |
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| 17:02.06 | Twinkletoes | If I'm restricting rsync use, to an rsync user (for security), which doesn't have access to /var/www. I *could* use acls, but is there a simpler way? ie. use the apache user, or root? |
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| 17:02.34 | Twinkletoes | I want to put some stuff into /var/www/<dir> which is owned by www-data at the moment |
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| 17:07.11 | jordanm | Twinkletoes: www-data does not need to be the owner of your web root |
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| 17:16.39 | b_jonas | if I send a bug report, are the Package, Version, Severity headers supposed to be in the mail header? the mail body? |
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| 17:17.32 | arghx | why not simply use reportbug? |
| 17:17.51 | b_jonas | I am using that to create the report, but then sending the report from another machine by mail |
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| 17:19.15 | jordanm | b_jonas: report bug supports -o FILE and --mua |
| 17:19.50 | b_jonas | --mua won't work because I wanted to send the report from a different machine |
| 17:20.00 | b_jonas | I have saved to file, though not with the -o option |
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| 17:20.52 | jordanm | b_jonas: Package, version, etc should be in the body |
| 17:21.03 | b_jonas | okay, I messed up in that case |
| 17:21.06 | b_jonas | I'll try with the -o option |
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| 17:21.27 | b_jonas | thanks |
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| 17:22.21 | fab75002 | can i replace /var/log/apache/*.log { LOG ROTATE PARAMS } with /home/website1/logs/*.log , /home/website2/logs/*.log, /home/website3/logs/*.log { LOG ROTATE PARAMS } |
| 17:22.24 | fab75002 | it doesnt work |
| 17:22.40 | fab75002 | how can i add multiple folders for same params between {} ?? |
| 17:24.04 | stew | b_jonas: they should be the first lines of the body of the email and separated by a space from the rest of the body |
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| 17:25.13 | b_jonas | okay, I resent it with those fields in the body |
| 17:25.13 | b_jonas | thanks |
| 17:25.31 | fab75002 | ?? |
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| 17:31.40 | wooden | Is it against any kind of channel or freenode rules to make a job posting in this channel occasionally? |
| 17:31.58 | abrotman | yes, it is |
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| 17:32.09 | abrotman | wooden: there is a debian-jobs mailing list |
| 17:32.29 | wooden | abrotman: Ah, thank you. |
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| 17:33.40 | jordanm | wooden: send an email to debian-jobs@lists.debian.org |
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| 17:38.53 | kristian-aalborg | who can recommend a simple battery monitor for fluxbox? |
| 17:39.14 | kristian-aalborg | preferably one that docs ala wicd-gtk |
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| 17:46.04 | somiaj | kristian-aalborg: I use xosview and swallow it in FvwmButtons here |
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| 17:47.46 | somiaj | kristian-aalborg: xosview monintors many things, but with a good .Xdefults / .Xresources setup you can have it monintor just the battery. |
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| 17:50.31 | kristian-aalborg | somiaj, will look into that, thanks |
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| 17:51.12 | somiaj | kristian-aalborg: http://zensites.net/scrot.jpg -- I just use it as visual bars, I belive you can do something similar with fluxbox docs -- though I haven't messed with it. |
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| 17:55.31 | rackmounted | hey people i'm having serious problems maintaining a viable ethernet connection with igb (intel 82576 onboard) is that a known issue? |
| 17:55.42 | kristian-aalborg | somiaj, looks like it could work ;) |
| 17:56.56 | somiaj | rackmounted: known issues are in the BTS -- so check there first |
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| 18:08.24 | kreuter | hi #debian. could anybody say if emacs23-nox is supposed to satisfy the "Depends: emacs23 | emacsen" for the mh-e package on wheezy? |
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| 18:09.46 | arghx | kreuter: apt-cache show emacs23-nox and look at the "Provides:" line |
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| 18:10.41 | kreuter | arghx: right, it looks like emacs23-nox should satisfy both disjuncts. and yet when I try installing mh-e, apt wants to pull in all of xemacs21. :( |
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| 18:11.21 | arghx | kreuter: is emacs23-nox already installed? |
| 18:11.25 | kreuter | yes |
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| 18:12.01 | kreuter | can apt-get be made to explain its inferences? |
| 18:13.20 | arghx | aptitude why maybe |
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| 18:16.16 | kreuter | aptitude -W seems to do something. |
| 18:16.17 | kreuter | thanks |
| 18:17.01 | rackmounted | !82576 |
| 18:17.01 | dpkg | igb is a driver forked from <e1000> and added to mainline at Linux 2.6.25, supporting Intel 82575 and 82576 gigabit Ethernet controllers. It does not require firmware from userspace. The 82576 ET2 Quad Port Server Adapter (PCI ID 8086:1526) is supported in Debian Squeeze since the <6.0.3> point release (Debian bug #627702). See also <ixgbe>. |
| 18:19.09 | kreuter | arghx: it was a Recommends issue. thanks! |
| 18:19.27 | arghx | as always... but yes themill, recommends is important |
| 18:19.33 | boudiccas | when doing an apt-get upgrade on squeeze i see that these are being held back .... The following packages have been kept back: mencoder mplayer ........ how do i release them for upgrading please? |
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| 18:19.50 | arghx | !tell boudiccas about held back |
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| 18:20.54 | lzskiss | yo |
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| 18:24.41 | boudiccas | thanks arghx . i did a sudo aptitude -s install mplayer and get the following results ..... 1 packages upgraded, 11 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. Need to get 7971 kB of archives. After unpacking 12.1 MB will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] yes ........ and then it just goes back to the prompt without installing anything. how do i get it to install/upgrade please? |
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| 18:27.23 | abrotman | -s is simulate |
| 18:27.37 | abrotman | boudiccas: aptitude install '~U' |
| 18:27.40 | boudiccas | ah right, thanks abrotman |
| 18:28.14 | boudiccas | -U ? do i put mplayer after that? |
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| 18:29.53 | boudiccas | abrotman; never mind, i've sorted it :) thanks |
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| 18:33.40 | boudiccas | why does aptitude install held back programs when apt-get wont please? |
| 18:35.49 | abrotman | you can force both to install them |
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| 18:36.28 | boudiccas | hmm, dont like the sound of 'forcing'. i tend to avoid that where possible |
| 18:37.14 | rackmounted | so is bug #627702 live in squeeze now? (as in, on the repo?) |
| 18:37.28 | rackmounted | the patch for that bug, rather, i mean |
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| 18:43.47 | martianlobster | I have this program that I am writing, it periodically has a segment violation, and crashes. As root, I ran ulimit -c unlimited, and checked that there was no limit to the core dump size, with ulimit -a. As my user, I run the program, get the violation on occasion, but there is no coredump. Does anyone know why, my program would not make a coredump? |
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| 18:46.22 | dondelelcaro | martianlobster: if it has chdir() to a directory which it cannot write to, it will not create a coredump |
| 18:46.41 | martianlobster | good guess, but it doesn't do that |
| 18:46.43 | dondelelcaro | martianlobster: also, you need to have run unlimit -c unlimited; as your user before you start the program |
| 18:46.48 | martianlobster | ooooh |
| 18:46.49 | martianlobster | ok |
| 18:46.53 | martianlobster | I will give that a shot thanks |
| 18:47.23 | dondelelcaro | martianlobster: you can check by looking at getrlimit() in your program too |
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| 18:47.40 | martianlobster | thanks |
| 18:47.41 | martianlobster | :) |
| 18:47.47 | martianlobster | I never would have figured that out |
| 18:47.57 | martianlobster | it works now |
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| 18:48.08 | b_jonas | martianlobster: you mean ulimit instead of unlimit |
| 18:48.18 | martianlobster | yes, |
| 18:48.24 | martianlobster | I speak and read fluent typos |
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| 18:51.16 | rackmounted | ok so basically here's what's happening: after a minute or so of non-use (maybe less) most (not all) of the ethernet ports will die out. link status however is unaffected. if i ifdown then ifup an interface it comes back and stays back so long as there is a constant stream of data going through it, but that's all |
| 18:51.30 | rackmounted | hotplugging the cables themselves works similarly |
| 18:51.45 | rackmounted | but the only way i can keep them all live is to keep a running ping to every address |
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| 18:52.11 | rackmounted | anyone seen a problem like this before? any advice is appreciated |
| 18:52.27 | rackmounted | i can't find anything relevant on the bug tracker but maybe that's cause i can't search by description |
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| 18:55.01 | Woet | rackmounted: wrong netmask/gateway? |
| 18:55.13 | Woet | hence, losing arp and losing connectivity |
| 18:56.08 | rackmounted | Woet, does that explain why restarting the interface brings it back temporarily? |
| 18:56.18 | Woet | rackmounted: yes, because it sends an arp if you do that. |
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| 18:56.56 | rackmounted | Woet, if it was the wrong gateway i wouldn't be able to reach the outside world through it though, wouldn't i? |
| 18:57.04 | rackmounted | or would i? |
| 18:57.10 | Woet | rackmounted: depends, but i've had the exact problem you mentioned before |
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| 18:57.19 | Woet | rackmounted: worked fine, logged out of the server and it stopped working randomly later |
| 18:57.40 | Woet | rackmounted: see if sending an arp for an IP that failed fixes it, instead of restarting the interface |
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| 19:02.26 | rackmounted | Woet, just run arp [ip address] you mean? |
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| 19:03.37 | Woet | rackmounted: I always used arpsend cause the machine ran openVZ, not sure how to do it without it |
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| 19:04.36 | Woet | rackmounted: you can install 'vzctl' package if you're lazy, it provides arpsend p |
| 19:04.36 | Woet | :p |
| 19:05.09 | DammitJim | what do you recommend for auto mounting of USB storage devices? |
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| 19:05.48 | rackmounted | Woet, i'll look into it, thanks for the advice |
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| 19:08.28 | dokma | how do I query bluetooth address of a linux machine? |
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| 19:09.44 | rackmounted | dokma, i think with hcitool |
| 19:10.05 | dokma | let me try |
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| 19:13.35 | czytajsk | hey guys |
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| 19:13.55 | czytajsk | anyone expirienced in openssl here? |
| 19:14.11 | rackmounted | i am, somewhat |
| 19:15.34 | rackmounted | czytajsk, chances are whatever you want to do is easier to use CA.pl to accomplish |
| 19:17.00 | czytajsk | well, not wuite :) |
| 19:17.17 | czytajsk | or at leas I didn't manage to find what I am looking for |
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| 19:18.13 | czytajsk | here's the case: ive got some client certs signed by my own CA, and now I want to disable one of them |
| 19:18.14 | iaj | Hello there.. is there some good way to do a `du -h | sort … ' but have the biggest on the botttom? |
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| 19:19.11 | simonlnu | mark it defunct in some relevant way and then issue a crl |
| 19:19.44 | czytajsk | and I have no idea how to do it |
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| 19:19.54 | lzskiss | yo |
| 19:21.21 | simonlnu | there's howtos and apps that can do that |
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| 19:24.43 | czytajsk | could you point me some? i've taken some time looking for a sensible howto, but have failed to find any. SSL is something new to me and some instructions are too complex for me to understand |
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| 19:25.30 | abrotman | czytajsk: did you try asking #openssl ? |
| 19:25.43 | CaptWho | my connection manager isn't showing wlan0. what am i missing? |
| 19:26.37 | czytajsk | umm... to be honest I didn't think of that :) i googled openssl irc but it didnt return anything so guessed there is no openssl channel :) |
| 19:26.48 | CaptWho | i have connection-manager and connection-manager-gnome installed |
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| 19:27.29 | pbase | where do I find the location of the boot up logs? |
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| 19:27.46 | pbase | I mean the console dump while boot up |
| 19:28.08 | CaptWho | /var/logs/messages |
| 19:28.23 | pbase | thanks CaptWho |
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| 19:28.26 | CaptWho | or dmesg | less |
| 19:29.03 | CaptWho | dmesg | less is probably the way to go |
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| 19:35.28 | arghx | !bootlog |
| 19:35.28 | dpkg | bootlogd is used to record boot messages and is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
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| 19:38.44 | TheOne | hi |
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| 19:40.38 | TheOne | I want to offer a preconfiguration in my package that configure an already installed program - I just want to give the user a choice between some values and write the selected one to the desired config file |
| 19:41.23 | TheOne | what is the prefered debian tool for this or whats the guideline here? |
| 19:41.25 | gmcinnes2 | Anyone know about lsb/init-functions ? should start_daemon create a .pid file for a process, or does it only check for an exixting one? |
| 19:41.31 | TheOne | is debconf the right tool for that? |
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| 19:44.29 | arghx | TheOne: yes |
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| 19:45.29 | abrotman | TheOne: there is a debconf-set-selections IIRC |
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| 19:47.14 | karlpinc | Is there an archive of old cd images? I'm looking for 5.0.8 (when lenny is now 5.0.9). |
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| 19:48.24 | karlpinc | Ah, in cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/. |
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| 19:50.51 | TheOne | abrotman: ah ok, but the value inside the config I want to change is not yet a value that is configured via debconf |
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| 19:52.27 | abrotman | so? |
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| 19:58.31 | bitcycle | Hey all. Does anyone know how to get unit tests to run on install, and then fail the install if they fail, inside a debian package? |
| 19:59.14 | dondelelcaro | bitcycle: you really don't want to do that |
| 19:59.23 | dondelelcaro | bitcycle: you should run unit tests during the build process, and fail there |
| 20:00.07 | cardamon | Anyone use terminator as their terminal? know how to get rid of the annoying internal menu bar up top? It does the same thing the titlebar in my wm does. shows shell and working dir. Really unecessary and waste of space. |
| 20:00.09 | dondelelcaro | that said, if this was some sort of custom package, you can do testing in the postinst, and exit(1), but all that does is stop all installs until you fix the unit tests, which is kind of silly |
| 20:00.13 | bitcycle | dondelelcaro: What about when python lib dependencies aren't installed on the host where its being deployed to? |
| 20:00.17 | cardamon | I've seen configurations without it. |
| 20:00.23 | dondelelcaro | bitcycle: that's what Depends: is for |
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| 20:01.36 | cardamon | Ah, got it. |
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| 20:07.07 | MMlosh | Hi! Is there a way how to run debian Squeeze without insserv messing with my rc scripts? |
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| 20:08.03 | MMlosh | I admit they can be broken / in bad shape. The system rarely boots, the effort spent in updating them never returns |
| 20:08.13 | mrtn_ | How to view the umask of an folder? |
| 20:08.20 | mrtn_ | *directory :D |
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| 20:09.57 | MMlosh | mrtn_, no.. and I found my solution here: http://help.lockergnome.com/linux/Bind-problems-Debian-Squeeze--ftopict539255.html |
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| 20:11.05 | mrtn_ | MMlosh, I don't see the connection between umask and this link.. |
| 20:11.43 | MMlosh | mrtn_, You asked a new question in a way that could have been an answer to mine |
| 20:11.52 | MMlosh | own question |
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| 20:22.12 | koshie_ | Hi |
| 20:22.12 | kreign | any of you guys have any experience propagating/pooling iptables chains amongst multiple hosts? |
| 20:22.58 | hyperboreean | hi guys, I just upgraded one of my machines to squeeze and X won't start (nvidia graphic card with custom build kernel 2.6.36) - manually installing won't work, the same for the repo packages |
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| 20:24.24 | jhutchins_lt | hyperboreean: Start with a Debian kernel and tell us what's happening, not just that it's not working. |
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| 20:25.37 | jhutchins_lt | mrtn_: Try the umask command. |
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| 20:25.57 | Bushmills | hyperboreean: sounds as if something is broken |
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| 20:27.22 | jhutchins_lt | kreign: Hard for us to know what your actual needs are. Build the script or scripts manually or with something like shorewall or by saving a configuration built from individual commands, distribute and implement with scp/ssh. |
| 20:28.05 | bitcycle | Hey all. What's the right way to get python unit tests run when building a debian package? |
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| 20:28.28 | hyperboreean | Bushmills: yeah, I am getting this in syslog "nvidia: no symbol version for agp_bridges" and /var/log/Xorg.0.log says "Failed to load module "nvidia" (module-specific error, 0)" |
| 20:28.31 | kreign | jhutchin1_lt, no, nothing quite like that. |
| 20:28.35 | Bushmills | kreign: i published an extract of my iptables config on a web page. i suppose your could call that "pooling among multiple hosts" :D |
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| 20:29.21 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 20:29.24 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.1-1); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 20:29.29 | Bushmills | hyperboreean: i'd try debian kernel and debian instructions of installing nvidia support |
| 20:30.09 | Bushmills | you can be relatively certain that your problem won't show in that combination |
| 20:31.16 | koshie_ | I've testing and on voIP software (Teamspeak, Mumble...) when I'm talking the sound is absolutly ugly, no one hear my voice but a kind of interference sound. Someone has an idea ? The microphone works well. |
| 20:31.41 | koshie_ | my pulseaudio version is 0.9.23 |
| 20:32.29 | Bushmills | koshie_: try reducing sound input level. start tuning it almost all the way down |
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| 20:32.38 | koshie_ | Doesn't works :/ |
| 20:32.48 | koshie_ | (I've forget to say that sorry) |
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| 20:33.24 | chrissbx | Anyone ever heard of an issue that /var/spool/exim4 and subdirectories belonged to the wrong user/group? |
| 20:33.38 | chrissbx | I've got this on two separately installed machines with Debian stable. |
| 20:33.45 | koshie_ | Bushmills, I'm trying with alsa-mixer right now... |
| 20:33.46 | chrissbx | A third machine is correct. |
| 20:35.18 | scorphus | will http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary work o SID? |
| 20:35.35 | scorphus | instructions for squeeze, right? |
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| 20:36.16 | scorphus | got this hot potato in his hands |
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| 20:37.19 | jcrowgey | hey babilen, you helped me get my screenres working about a month ago, it's working now. thanks! |
| 20:37.38 | jcrowgey | babilen, i had to apt-get the firmware package. that was the prob. |
| 20:38.01 | kreign | jhutchin1_lt, I believe packetfilter (for *bsd) has a tool that allows multiple machines to share a dynamic pool of rules. |
| 20:38.09 | babilen | jcrowgey: I am delighted to hear that. |
| 20:38.22 | kreign | jhujhiti, for instance, I need to allow access from eg. china, but I obviously don't want to allow access from -all- of china. |
| 20:38.33 | kreign | same for cable/dsl networks |
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| 20:39.05 | jcrowgey | to anyone, now i have a situation where sometimes, /dev/videoN gets created properly and i can use the internal webcam, sometimes the device doesn't get created. im not sure what conditions the difference, and i'm not too sure where to check. |
| 20:39.14 | koshie_ | Bushmills, the good way is with alsa-mixer |
| 20:39.15 | koshie_ | thanks |
| 20:39.16 | koshie_ | ++ |
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| 20:41.32 | jcrowgey | the only clue i have is that when i open gstreamer-properties, i see a bunch of messages, which look like warnings, saying "skipping unavailable plugin: __" |
| 20:42.11 | jcrowgey | the "__" is artsdsink, esdsink, a bunch of other sinks, then some srcs, about 8 in all |
| 20:42.33 | jhutchins_lt | jcrowgey: Which release? |
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| 20:42.43 | jcrowgey | wheezy/sid mix |
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| 20:43.01 | jcrowgey | i'm tracking testing, with some packages from sid |
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| 20:44.03 | jcrowgey | stragest thing, because every now and again, yesterday, for instance, i see /dev/video0 and skype/cheese, etc work fine. |
| 20:44.12 | inashdeen | hi, need to know how to change /etc/lsb-release without damaging my system. thanx in advance |
| 20:44.27 | jcrowgey | today, i even tried rebooting to roll the dice a few times, i don't see any /dev/videoX and programs say "no device found |
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| 20:46.17 | jhutchins_lt | jcrowgey: You might try #debian-next on oftc.net, but there's no #frankendebian support channel. |
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| 20:48.07 | CaptWho | anyone else out there having trouble with the wicd network manager? |
| 20:48.32 | jcrowgey | jhutchins, i wonder how many frankendebian users there are out there, prolly there are many. haha. but even without supporting frankendebians, I wonder how to start troubleshooting this. is modprobbing v4l where the /dev/videoX device get's created? or is there a particular log I might look at? I didn't see anything too likely on dmesg |
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| 20:49.03 | CaptWho | i can't get my laptop to connect to wlan0 |
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| 20:49.37 | jcrowgey | actually, dmesg is spammed by all these messages about dropping a frame with invalid src address---the whole buffer's full of em! |
| 20:50.11 | rox | CaptWho: and what kind of interface is wlan0? |
| 20:50.46 | inashdeen | bump |
| 20:51.15 | arghx | inashdeen: irc is not a forum |
| 20:51.48 | inashdeen | arghx: sorry. i just want to know how to change /etc/lsb-release safely '=.= |
| 20:51.57 | jcrowgey | that's the first time i've ever seen a bump. |
| 20:52.03 | arghx | why would you want to do that? |
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| 20:53.17 | arghx | inashdeen: btw, /etc/lsb-release doesn't need to exist at all and has basically zero meaning |
| 20:53.31 | jcrowgey | i don't even have that file |
| 20:53.42 | arghx | neither do i. he might not even run debian |
| 20:53.42 | jcrowgey | i have an /etc/lsb-base, but it's an empty directory |
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| 20:54.03 | arghx | inashdeen: which debian is this? |
| 20:54.27 | inashdeen | arghx: on a ubuntu-based OS( ii am saying this because this distro is not purely ubuntu nor debian), changes in that file causes chromium not to run and software sources not runnin |
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| 20:54.38 | arghx | inashdeen: go back to #ubuntu |
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| 20:55.30 | inashdeen | arghx: sorry, but IMHO that is pretty insulting cause i just said it is not pure debian nor ubuntu. it is stripped of from ubuntu and debian. so i am pretty sad because i am being thrown from an irc to another |
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| 20:56.12 | arghx | inashdeen: we ONLY support debian. so if it's not debian: go away and don't come back until it's actually debian and only debian. |
| 20:56.33 | AimHere | Well if you're going to make a homebrew cannibalised Frankenstein of an operating system, then you're pretty much on your own, techsupportwise |
| 20:56.47 | jcrowgey | inashdeen, they don't even want to help me cos I'm using a mix of debians. fwiw, i don't know anything about this file or I'd try to help. |
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| 20:57.43 | inashdeen | jcrowgey: yeah, so much for a debian universal OS. it is, only some people are not |
| 20:58.03 | arghx | jcrowgey: usually testing+sid isn't frowned upon. ignorance with testing however is |
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| 20:59.35 | arghx | jcrowgey: yes the module getting loaded and udev together create device nodes. check your kernel log |
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| 20:59.49 | jhutchins_lt | jcrowgey: The problem is that you have created a unique assembly of software, and we don't have any way to tell how it interacts. We don't know what you might have broken and how. |
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| 21:00.26 | cardamon | Wonderful. I broke X. Get dumped to terminal with no error. /etc/init.d/gdm start returns no error either. |
| 21:00.26 | jhutchins_lt | jcrowgey: You are also using both testing and unstable, while support here is primarily for stable. I did suggest that you try #debian-next where they have people with more experience in wheezy and sid. |
| 21:00.42 | jcrowgey | jhutchins: caveat emptor fully accepted |
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| 21:01.43 | cardamon | Oh. |
| 21:01.47 | cardamon | startx works. |
| 21:01.50 | cardamon | X isn't broken. |
| 21:01.53 | cardamon | gdm is. |
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| 21:02.55 | jcrowgey | when i look in /etc/modprobe.d/ I don't see any video related modules. does v4l get built into the kernel these days? |
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| 21:03.26 | arghx | jcrowgey: what has this to do with /etc/modprobe.d/ ? why would there be any module in there? |
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| 21:04.13 | cardamon | I guess people are moving away from gdm in testing. |
| 21:04.34 | jcrowgey | arghx, well, init.d, at some runlevel, looks in modprobe.d/ and does modprobe, for instance, i see several sound related modules in there. so it seems reasonable to look for kernel modules in there. where should i look instead? |
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| 21:06.28 | Bombo | what was the keyword to install sid packages in squeeze? mixed sources.list ? |
| 21:06.50 | Bombo | i just add a line for sid and its done isn't it? |
| 21:06.59 | Bombo | (after apt-get update) |
| 21:07.03 | jcrowgey | some related questions, i thought i used to be able to press something like shift+up on the alternative vts to scroll up, i wanted to look at the vt on F1 and scroll up to see the kernel log. |
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| 21:07.45 | Bombo | i just need gtk+-2.22 for one application |
| 21:07.52 | Bombo | and i'm using squeeze |
| 21:07.53 | arghx | jcrowgey: those are not modules. modules end with .ko for starters. |
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| 21:08.11 | rduplain | anyone know if you can list a package's license with dpkg or an apt tool? |
| 21:08.20 | Bombo | ?? mixed sources.list |
| 21:08.26 | arghx | Bombo: the keyword is "reinstall". if you install sid package in squeeze, that is what you will do |
| 21:08.36 | jhutchins_lt | decleares today to be Frankendebian Friday. |
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| 21:09.40 | arghx | rduplain: /usr/share/doc/libc6/copyright substitute libc6 for your package |
| 21:10.01 | jcrowgey | arghx: so what they are is conf file for modules. good point. i guess i need to do "find / -name '*.ko'" |
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| 21:10.14 | jhutchins_lt | jcrowgey: Perhaps it would be good to learn a bit more about what the modprobe.d directory is used for. |
| 21:10.16 | arghx | jcrowgey: please install debian stable now |
| 21:10.23 | Bombo | arghx: so is there a way to get gtk+-2.24 für squeeze? |
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| 21:10.46 | arghx | Bombo: possibly backporting it. why do you need it exactly? |
| 21:10.52 | rduplain | arghx: awesome thanks! |
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| 21:11.26 | Bombo | arghx: because some application tells me (configure) that i need that |
| 21:11.38 | jcrowgey | arghx: thanks for your advice to install debian stable now, but debian stable doesn't support my APU. after months of config work, i've got everything working on this computer except for this problem with the webcam, so even if there's no hope for that, starting from scratch is a much worse option. |
| 21:11.51 | jhutchins_lt | jcrowgey: You might also want to learn where kernel modules are kept and how they're loaded, and things like the depmod system. |
| 21:12.00 | arghx | jcrowgey: you are mistaken |
| 21:12.18 | jhutchins_lt | jcrowgey: After which you could hit the docs for xorg and see how video drivers are handled. |
| 21:12.20 | jcrowgey | arghx: if you understood what i said, you wouldn't be offering that characterization |
| 21:12.26 | arghx | jcrowgey: you can easily run debian stable with your amd cpu |
| 21:12.45 | CaptWho | rox, what's a command to see the manufacturer of wlan0? |
| 21:12.52 | jcrowgey | jthutchin: thanks for actual pointers to real resources |
| 21:12.54 | arghx | CaptWho: lspci -nn |
| 21:13.13 | arghx | jcrowgey: debian stable + 2 backports and it's fully supported |
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| 21:14.25 | jcrowgey | arghx: i'm not going to argue with you about what packages i need or don't need. if you have time, you can come by and we'll go through every program on my system and analyze it's requirements. if you don't have time for that, let's talk about depmod and video drivers :) |
| 21:14.36 | CaptWho | rox, my wireless is an atheros ar5001 wireless |
| 21:14.44 | cardamon | CaptWho: use what arghx told you. maybe | grep Network with it to shorten the list. The find the [something:something] block at the end. |
| 21:14.45 | jhutchins_lt | jcrowgey: I'm not going to read them for you. I'm telling you what documentation you need to find and read. |
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| 21:14.56 | arghx | jcrowgey: I leave you to your great understanding of the linux kernel module system instead. have a nice day |
| 21:14.58 | jcrowgey | jhutchins_lt: thanks. |
| 21:15.16 | jcrowgey | arghx: thanks. |
| 21:15.28 | cardamon | then say ",pciid[something:something]" |
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| 21:15.40 | arghx | CaptWho: what desktop environment do you use? |
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| 21:15.52 | Twigg | Hi |
| 21:15.55 | arghx | CaptWho: his wlan is supported out of the box. no more info needed |
| 21:16.00 | CaptWho | i'm using gnome |
| 21:16.09 | arghx | CaptWho: then why don't you use network manager? |
| 21:16.26 | arghx | cardamon: his wlan is supported out of the box. no more info needed |
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| 21:17.01 | CaptWho | when i try to connect using wpa, i get a bad password error and when i try to use wep, it errors finding the IP address |
| 21:17.10 | CaptWho | network manager wasn't working either |
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| 21:17.54 | arghx | "finding the IP address"? |
| 21:17.59 | CaptWho | i had ubuntu installed and it was working fine, but i installed debian because i don't have a lot of memory and i was having keyboard trouble |
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| 21:18.30 | CaptWho | WPA seems to hang on "Validating Authentication" |
| 21:18.52 | cardamon | I have to wonder why gdm3 thinks I'm running sid when I'm not. |
| 21:18.54 | CaptWho | then the error message is "Connection Failed: Bad Password" |
| 21:19.46 | CaptWho | WEP = "Connection Failed: Unable to Get IP Address |
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| 21:20.58 | jcrowgey | i'm going to reboot into my older kernel and see if that helps things. thanks for everyone's helpful contributions! |
| 21:20.59 | arghx | CaptWho: wheezy and sid is almost the same. look into /etc/debian_version |
| 21:21.05 | jcrowgey | \bye |
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| 21:21.38 | arghx | CaptWho: you can try http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#WPA-PSK_and_WPA2-PSK if you want |
| 21:22.21 | CaptWho | thanks arghx |
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| 21:23.26 | mute_ | Ugh, everything so ugly. Nothing gnome is using the set gtk+ theme |
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| 21:26.52 | Bombo | ok is there a way to get all dependencies as source packages for sid needs, on squeeze, in one line? |
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| 21:28.41 | Bombo | trying to compile gtk+ 2.24.7-1 on squeeze, but i get lots of "Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 8.1.3) ..." |
| 21:28.54 | arghx | Bombo: you were told that if you do that, you break your squeeze and will reinstall in a few months. do you really want to do it? |
| 21:29.02 | ike | Bombo: apt-get build-dep gtk+ ? |
| 21:29.29 | Bombo | arghx: i thought i was told not to install sid binary packages and instead compile from source? |
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| 21:30.13 | arghx | Bombo: yes. but that's not always easily doable. in this case due to debhelper. again: what is the actual problem you want to solve? |
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| 21:30.53 | jcrowgey | i'm running some software tests right now so i couldn't reboot, instead i've been doing my homewokr, jthutchins. |
| 21:31.25 | cardamon | http://i.imgur.com/Y1YTg.jpg I broke what little bits of pretty I had. Nothing's looking to gtk+. |
| 21:31.42 | Bombo | arghx: again, i want to compile a program that requires gtk+ 2.22, what else could be a reason for that? |
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| 21:35.01 | metalfan_ | hi |
| 21:35.06 | jcrowgey | i think i lost all cred to the gurus here when i looked in modprobe.d for kernel modules, but since then, i found the modules in /lib/modules, and i reloaded uvcvideo with modprobe -r and then modprobe -v, i see a hopeful message in the dmesg, but still no /dev/videoX device is created |
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| 21:37.11 | metalfan_ | im looking for the usb image, the link on the donwload page sends me here: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/ but in that dir are just 4 very small files and another 3 dirs called netboot, hd-media and cdrom i know that its not in cdrom and netboot and the file in hd-media is even bigger than the netboot install...so where is the usb image? |
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| 21:38.01 | jcrowgey | dmesg has 'registered new interface driver uvcvideo', whic hseems hopeful. do i need to force udev to run again? (uh, that was probably a dumb question: back to the books!) |
| 21:38.05 | rox | metalfan_: take a cdrom image and put it on usb |
| 21:38.22 | Bombo | ike: $ apt-get build-dep gtk+2.0 -> E: Build-Depends dependency for gtk+2.0 cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirements |
| 21:38.27 | rox | metalfan_: unetbootin is your friend |
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| 21:38.48 | arghx | metalfan_: cd1 and netinst.iso are boot hybrid images. use thoes |
| 21:39.09 | arghx | metalfan_: and if you use unetbootin your installation will most probably fail when it can't find a CD |
| 21:39.20 | arghx | rox: do not suggest people to use unetbootin please |
| 21:39.36 | rox | arghx: unetbootin has always worked for me |
| 21:39.41 | arghx | !tell metalfan_ about hybrid image |
| 21:39.56 | arghx | rox: yes, and we have seen dozens of people in here where it doesn' |
| 21:39.57 | arghx | t |
| 21:40.25 | rox | arghx: is suggesting use of unetbootin against this channel policy? or why is it, that i shouldn't suggest using it? |
| 21:40.44 | arghx | cause it breaks the installation process for many people and is unnecessary |
| 21:40.54 | arghx | as I said: debian images are hybrid images |
| 21:40.56 | jcrowgey | arghx is reasonably testy, ppl should know that. |
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| 21:41.30 | metalfan_ | thx |
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| 21:42.35 | jcrowgey | well, he won't talk to me anymore because i won't wipe my disk and reinstall debian stable, his solution to my issue. |
| 21:42.50 | rox | jcrowgey: ok, i get it |
| 21:42.57 | jcrowgey | i guess this is a debian stable channel, but others have been more helpful. |
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| 21:43.00 | rox | jcrowgey: thank you |
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| 21:45.50 | rox | jcrowgey: well, there is this rule of thumb here, that if you can't fix the regular breakage of unstable, that you shouldn't be using it |
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| 21:47.30 | acu | I want to create a multiple OS install DVD (I want to have Debian, Scientific Linux, OpenSUSE and Archlinux) what do I need to do ? |
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| 21:47.52 | metalfan_ | your need more space on the dvd |
| 21:47.55 | metalfan_ | i guess |
| 21:47.57 | cardamon | Any idea why anything gnome related isn't using gtk+'s chosen theme? http://i.imgur.com/5hIH9.jpg |
| 21:48.32 | rox | acu: put all the files into one filesystem and adjust bootloader accordingly |
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| 21:49.28 | GTRsdk | The install disc can't load any kernels. Should I continue the install? |
| 21:49.32 | mguy | acu: The Linux magazines come like that, see what they do |
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| 21:49.55 | arghx | GTRsdk: if it can't load a kernel how can you continue? |
| 21:49.55 | acu | rox: it seem sensible what you say - I should try that - mguy- bingo - have to spend $20 to get a magazine :) |
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| 21:50.24 | GTRsdk | arghx: that is what I was wondering. What should I do? |
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| 21:50.56 | arghx | GTRsdk: at which point of the installation are you right now and what install medium do you use? |
| 21:51.19 | smacnay | Hi - I can't seem to get updates from my Canadian 'sid' mirror (waterloo.ca). Has something changed recently? |
| 21:52.04 | GTRsdk | arghx: it was at the install the base system part. I chose the Wheezy CD1 i386 and put it onto a USB flash drive |
| 21:52.06 | arghx | smacnay: use an official mirror |
| 21:52.19 | arghx | GTRsdk: and you put it on the flash drive how? |
| 21:52.35 | smacnay | ok - thanks. I thought this was an official mirror but I can use the main us site. |
| 21:52.38 | rox | arghx: using unetbootin |
| 21:52.41 | GTRsdk | arghx: using unetbootin |
| 21:52.50 | arghx | GTRsdk: I stronly suggest you use the squeeze installer. wheezy installers are not there for installing debian |
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| 21:53.02 | arghx | rox: do you see now? |
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| 21:53.22 | arghx | GTRsdk: get a squeeze iso, and put it on the stick via cat or dd |
| 21:53.29 | Valtam | can I add debian repos to ubuntu? |
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| 21:53.37 | abrotman | and unetbootin fails about 50% of the time |
| 21:53.40 | abrotman | Valtam: ask #ubuntu |
| 21:53.49 | arghx | Valtam: ask #ubuntu what you can use as their repos, not debian sinec you don't run debian |
| 21:53.54 | GTRsdk | Valtam: you really shouldn't. |
| 21:54.17 | Valtam | ok cheers |
| 21:54.24 | arghx | smacnay: canada has a mirror too |
| 21:54.32 | rox | Valtam: sure you can, but some packages will be incompatible |
| 21:54.46 | rox | Valtam: it's a bad idea generally |
| 21:54.50 | Valtam | ok |
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| 21:55.02 | GTRsdk | Valtam: what would you need from the Ubuntu repositories that isn;t in debian? |
| 21:55.04 | Valtam | I just wanna get the newest kernel from testing |
| 21:55.16 | arghx | GTRsdk, Valtam, rox: please support ubuntu in #ubuntu |
| 21:55.41 | Valtam | ubuntu said no |
| 21:55.59 | Valtam | screw it Im installing debian :p |
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| 21:56.37 | jelly-home | that's the spirit |
| 21:56.52 | arghx | just don't use unetbootin to do it |
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| 21:57.37 | smacnay | arghx: really? Wow - I am out of the loop. I have been using the U Waterloo site for a few years getting sid updates. Things must have changed recently or maybe I am just completely out to lunch. |
| 21:57.51 | arghx | !tell smacnay about mirrors |
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| 21:59.37 | GTRsdk | arghx: I think unetbootin works okay, but the ISOs are bad. I made a wheezy netinstall USB earlier that worked fine. |
| 21:59.46 | abrotman | it does not work okay |
| 21:59.53 | abrotman | the ISOs are fine .. unetbootin is crap |
| 22:00.39 | Dulak | unetbooting does things expecting a non-hybrid iso, so when you feed it a hybrid iso like the debian installers, you get weird things happening |
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| 22:00.53 | smacnay | thanks |
| 22:02.12 | MMlosh | Grub2 said it would chainload after grub1 so I can be sure it'll work... and guess what.. it did not do anything |
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| 22:05.46 | AlexMax | Why does my terminfo not contain an entry for screen-256color? It only has one for screen-256color-s and screen-256color-bce-s |
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| 22:10.25 | AlexMax | ah damn |
| 22:10.31 | AlexMax | i was looking for it in usr share, not usr lib |
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| 22:11.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps quick question. I need to remove all the data from my drives i am using a usb to sata wire, should i just 'shred' the whole drive or is there a easier way |
| 22:11.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | i know about boot and nuke but i dont want to reboot to another os i want to keep using my main an i dont got a spare right now |
| 22:11.30 | arghx | use dd to overwrite it |
| 22:11.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | ah yes |
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| 22:11.40 | rox | Eryn_1983_FL: it depends on what level of data removal you wish to achieve |
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| 22:11.48 | Dulak | Eryn_1983_FL: you need it to be secure wiped or just a quick one? |
| 22:12.05 | arghx | dd single pass is secure. we use GMR heads nowadays |
| 22:12.22 | arghx | except for SSDs. there you need special ATA commands if available |
| 22:12.52 | Dulak | well if you don't care you can just dd the partition table and it takes about 2 seconds |
| 22:13.14 | arghx | that doesn't delete anything |
| 22:13.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | secure its my old desktop |
| 22:13.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | just sta hdds |
| 22:13.34 | Dulak | hence why I said if you don't care |
| 22:13.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | yes i do care :) |
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| 22:14.31 | rox | Eryn_1983_FL: dd will do; theoretically using some forensic tools some data *could* be recoverable, but for home use a single dd pass will do just fine |
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| 22:17.51 | rduplain | arghx: here's my script for getting all package versions and copyrights. https://gist.github.com/1377951 -- thx |
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| 22:19.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | too late a freaking webpage just hosed my fucking PC |
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| 22:22.25 | GTRsdk | Eryn_1983_FL: Please watch your language |
| 22:23.12 | metalfan_ | cat Downloads/debian-6.0.3-i386-netinst.iso >/dev/sdc is this the right way to copy a netboot image to a usb drive? do i need to delete the partition table? |
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| 22:23.25 | jutnux | Eryn_1983_FL, rage is the downfall of all men. |
| 22:23.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 22:23.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | sorry |
| 22:23.35 | jutnux | Or was that women, I cannot remember. |
| 22:23.56 | gnarface | metalfan_: you're way over thinking it. just do this: cp Downloads/debian-6.0.3-i386-netinst.iso /dev/sdc |
| 22:23.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | crying in the corner |
| 22:24.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | no no no no |
| 22:24.15 | phaidros | if I use logger, how can I tell syslog t owrite the logfiles as specific user/group ? |
| 22:24.21 | jutnux | gnarface, surely that will just place it on the device. |
| 22:24.23 | jutnux | Not burn to it. |
| 22:24.36 | jutnux | Or is that what he wants? |
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| 22:24.42 | cardamon | Any idea why anything gnome related isn't using gtk+'s chosen theme? http://i.imgur.com/5hIH9.jpg |
| 22:24.48 | cthuluh | metalfan_: yes, it is what you want |
| 22:25.02 | gnarface | jutnux: no that is not what it will do. it will do what he wants - it will burn the image onto the usb device |
| 22:25.11 | metalfan_ | gnarface, cp doenst like >/dev/sdc as destinatio |
| 22:25.12 | metalfan_ | n |
| 22:25.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok ok is there anything should do before i reboot and it wipes my raid array and all things? |
| 22:25.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | i got backups of /home and my /etc/ etc |
| 22:25.41 | gnarface | metalfan_: make sure its not mounted and get that > out of there. look at this command again: cp Downloads/debian-6.0.3-i386-netinst.iso /dev/sdc |
| 22:25.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | anything i should backup for the mraid? |
| 22:26.14 | gnarface | metalfan_: make sure /dev/sdc is present and is the right device too. it would be bad if you accidentally pointed it at your boot partition |
| 22:26.21 | Eryn_1983_FL | .... |
| 22:26.21 | metalfan_ | ah youre right, the > wasnt supposed to be there |
| 22:26.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | [ yesh very bad |
| 22:26.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | yes |
| 22:26.29 | GTRsdk | gnarface: copy the ISO to the USB drive? that wouldn't work. |
| 22:26.30 | metalfan_ | i know |
| 22:26.32 | cthuluh | metalfan_: use dd or cat ; not cp |
| 22:26.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 22:26.43 | gnarface | so much misinformation |
| 22:26.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | going to see what dmg i got now peeps |
| 22:26.45 | gnarface | cp will work |
| 22:26.47 | gnarface | cat will not |
| 22:26.50 | gnarface | *sigh* |
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| 22:26.56 | cthuluh | gnarface: yes. *sigh* |
| 22:27.00 | metalfan_ | gnarface, the debian page says that cat will....the official one |
| 22:27.29 | gnarface | i've never seen it done that way |
| 22:27.40 | metalfan_ | its probably the same result |
| 22:27.40 | gnarface | i guess anything is possible |
| 22:27.55 | phaidros | where is defined as which user/group syslog writes certain logfiles? |
| 22:29.07 | gnarface | GTRsdk: with the new iso, that WILL work. as of squeeze the iso files are in some sort of fancy unified format that can be easily used as an optical iso or a usb image with no alteration |
| 22:29.21 | gnarface | GTRsdk: its magic |
| 22:30.07 | metalfan_ | ok...downloaded, copied. now comes the hard part....who wants to get my 15" crt from the cellar? im to lazy for that |
| 22:32.01 | rox | !get metalfan_ his CRT up from the cellar |
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| 22:32.09 | metalfan_ | :) |
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| 22:32.41 | cardamon | Any idea why anything gnome related isn't using gtk+'s chosen theme? http://i.imgur.com/5hIH9.jpg |
| 22:32.49 | metalfan_ | if youre sleepy enough.....one will try anything |
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| 22:37.05 | gnarface | so anyone got any ideas on obscure reasons that would cause arp to list an entry as: (incomplete) |
| 22:37.05 | gnarface | ? |
| 22:37.16 | gnarface | maybe bad switch config? |
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| 22:41.35 | cthuluh | gnarface: or a dead cable or interface, or a misconfigured interface |
| 22:42.04 | gnarface | cthuluh: could a dead cable in one port screw up all the others so they couldn't even connect to each other? |
| 22:42.11 | gnarface | cthuluh: is that possible? |
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| 22:42.23 | gnarface | cthuluh: and still show a link light? |
| 22:42.35 | kharloss | hi there. i have a strange problem. 3 days ago i encountered a big problem. at 12 ( i`m GMT + 2) PM my webserver stop responding / extremly slow conection using ssh. I see there is a large amount of data copied ( backup something maybe, or i don`t know) - i see this on hdd led, and harddisk sound like verry busy one. i`m not a power user, i`m more a webdesigner. somebody can help ? ( i |
| 22:42.35 | kharloss | mention, if i restart my webserver, everything it`s ok after) but restarting my server every night, ofcourse isn`t a solution. thanks in advance |
| 22:43.05 | gnarface | cthuluh: i think i see the lights blink in tandem too often, as though there are a lot of broadcasts going on |
| 22:43.08 | cthuluh | gnarface: keep on investigatin :) |
| 22:43.35 | gnarface | cthuluh: no, its been 32 hours, i'm going to sleep. |
| 22:43.50 | cthuluh | better idea |
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| 22:44.10 | TasteOfDeath | Hi! Hope someone can assist me with this one... I have an olde debian kernel installed in my sid system (linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem), now i just want to compile some new module for the kernel, everything compiles fine untill i modprbe the module. At that point i get a version disagreement error. So, the kernel source i use seems to be wrong. The question is: How do i find out which source to use? I tried to apt-get aource the right one, but it |
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| 22:45.24 | cthuluh | TasteOfDeath: ", but it..." <- message cut |
| 22:45.48 | cthuluh | TasteOfDeath: you shouldn't be running such an old kernel on sid ; consider upgrading |
| 22:45.58 | somiaj | TasteOfDeath: you have to get the headers for the kernel you are using. 2.6.32 is in squeeze, you can grab the headers from there, but if you are running sid you should be running the current sid kernel. |
| 22:46.08 | TasteOfDeath | ohh sry.. ... it says Picking 'linux-2.6' as source package instead of 'linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem' |
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| 22:46.56 | jelly-home | TasteOfDeath: there are multiple possible issues here. First, you should not need kernel sources to build third-party modules. Second, you might be using the wrong gcc version. |
| 22:46.59 | rox | TasteOfDeath: well, that's the answer to your question - it chose the wrong source |
| 22:47.01 | somiaj | TasteOfDeath: yes linux-image-2.6, linux-headers-2.6, linux-source-2.6 all point to the curretn version. While the full versions can be installed/removed independetaly of those meta pacakges. Again if your running sid run sid kernels (though most would suggest you run stable in the first place) |
| 22:47.18 | TasteOfDeath | yeah... but i think the kernel originally came from nowadays squeeze... it seems that if i try to get the source for 'linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem', it fetchs a 2.6-3.0.0 kernel, which in fact is 3.0.0 (since the Makefile says so) |
| 22:47.49 | jelly-home | TasteOfDeath: you probably want to read /msg dpkg kernel handbook |
| 22:47.52 | somiaj | yea 3.0 kernels are just 2.6 kernels renamed, no major difference besdies the slow but steady development. |
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| 22:48.16 | TasteOfDeath | i'm running sid ever since... just not trying for now because i have some productive project running that just takes a little longer... by then i will upgrade my kernel to current sid kernel |
| 22:48.18 | jelly-home | and ask about sid in the channel mentioned in the topic |
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| 22:49.55 | TasteOfDeath | somiaj: ah really? just renamed huh? did'n know that... wasn't very into kernel devolpement news in the last few months :) |
| 22:50.42 | somiaj | TasteOfDeath: Well at this point in the linux kernel history starting a new design would only cause issues. So no rebuilding from ground/up, just changed the version numbers is all. 3.0 is what would have beeen 2.6.40 |
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| 22:51.08 | somiaj | mainly just a 10 year anversity change, also changing away from the old stable/vs unstable trees of the past |
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| 22:53.55 | TasteOfDeath | somiaj: okay, sounds reasonable... :) i was a little suprised as they changed to 3.0, thought i haven't lost much infos on that... but you just calmed me down on that topic ;)# |
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| 23:00.45 | wonderland64bits | hi all |
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| 23:01.28 | wonderland64bits | someone knows if there's a remastersys irc channel? |
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| 23:04.42 | tjiggi_fo | wonderland64bits, -alis- #remastersys - 1 :Remastersys irc support area - visit the website as well at http://www.remastersys.com |
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| 23:05.57 | AthomIk | hello |
| 23:07.14 | AthomIk | i see wheezy have xen hyperviso for i386 and amd64, not for i686 right ? |
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| 23:13.38 | wonderland64bits | tjiggi_fo, which's the server i must connect to? freenode? |
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| 23:15.33 | abrotman | wonderland64bits: that's freenode |
| 23:15.45 | FerchoLP | I'm installing testing-i386-xfce in a new clean virtualbox machine. I'm getting the "no installation kernel was found in the defined APT sources" (or similar, I'm in spanish installation). The ISO is healthy as I download it from torrent. Could this just be because it's the testing version? |
| 23:16.36 | abrotman | use the stable installer |
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| 23:19.49 | FerchoLP | can I do that from that ISO? or should I download the stable realease and after finishing setup switch sources to testing? |
| 23:20.30 | abrotman | right |
| 23:20.31 | abrotman | the latter |
| 23:20.40 | FerchoLP | ok, thanks :) |
| 23:20.43 | GTRsdk | FerchoLP: I had the same problem. The stable installer seems to be the only way to get to testing at the moment |
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| 23:21.04 | somiaj | FerchoLP: any stable installer install a base system and then runs tasksel so you can install additional components. Install the base system, upgrade, then install the rest. (netinstall is good for this because it contains the base system on the cd but nothing more) |
| 23:21.05 | FerchoLP | ok, thank you both, I'm going to download stable |
| 23:21.10 | rox | FerchoLP: perhaps an even better idea is to just use stable and install backports of those packages, that you would want to use from testing |
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| 23:21.43 | abrotman | you should skip tasksel if ylou're going straight to testing |
| 23:23.03 | cardamon | Any idea why anything gnome related isn't using gtk+'s chosen theme? http://i.imgur.com/5hIH9.jpg? For the fourth time in four hours. |
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| 23:23.49 | rox | cardamon: i'm just guessing, but perhaps because gnome theme overrides the gtk theme? |
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| 23:24.36 | cardamon | It worked alright before I updated to gdm3. |
| 23:24.53 | cardamon | Main issue is I'm not running gnome as a DE. |
| 23:25.27 | cardamon | I'm trying to work without one, but still need things like gnome-panel and nm-applet to work. |
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| 23:25.32 | rox | cardamon: that's my point, the gnome apps are still going to use gnome settings, non-gnome are going to use gtk settings |
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| 23:25.50 | cardamon | rox: And my point is it worked with the same lack of gnome before. |
| 23:27.21 | rox | cardamon: i was just guessing, nothing more |
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| 23:33.18 | GTRsdk | Does network manager come pre-installed in Squeeze? |
| 23:33.27 | AthomIk | for use xen hypervisor on pentium M, i must take I386 kernel and I386 hypervisor ? |
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| 23:38.25 | abrotman | GTRsdk: preinstalled in what? |
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| 23:39.10 | GTRsdk | abaddon: squeeze (on the default i386 CD) |
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| 23:40.23 | abrotman | GTRsdk: possibly .. does it really matter? |
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| 23:40.40 | GTRsdk | abrotman: how would I connect to a Wireless network? |
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| 23:42.39 | abrotman | yeah .. you're right, you probably need n-m |
| 23:43.14 | GTRsdk | abrotman: it isn't installed? |
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| 23:44.24 | abrotman | you tell me .. i have no idea what's installed on your box |
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| 23:44.43 | Daniel2490 | hi |
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| 23:45.27 | rox | Daniel2490: hello and welcome |
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| 23:46.15 | Daniel2490 | can someone help me with this ? |
| 23:46.38 | Daniel2490 | http://pastebin.com/KtrwU67u |
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| 23:47.21 | abrotman | Daniel2490: don't you want #python ? |
| 23:48.09 | Daniel2490 | I can't talk in #python |
| 23:48.21 | abrotman | why not? |
| 23:48.22 | Daniel2490 | it says im not registered |
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| 23:48.42 | abrotman | so register .. /msg nickserv help |
| 23:48.42 | jhutchins_lt | Daniel2490: so register. |
| 23:49.04 | Daniel2490 | im registered |
| 23:49.27 | abrotman | you're not identified then |
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| 23:49.37 | abrotman | and you're not .. /msg nickserv help |
| 23:49.37 | Daniel2490 | i just did |
| 23:49.40 | abrotman | you didn |
| 23:49.42 | abrotman | you didn't |
| 23:50.00 | abrotman | if you can't figure out nickserv, go to #freenode for help |
| 23:50.01 | Daniel2490 | then how i can talk in here |
| 23:50.13 | abrotman | right .. off to #freenode you go |
| 23:50.22 | Daniel2490 | ok |
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| 23:57.09 | n_np | Hello guys! |
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