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| 00:04.49 | goo6y | Fuck canada |
| 00:05.09 | n_np | yeh |
| 00:05.19 | n_np | i've never been to the americas but i agree with you |
| 00:05.40 | rox | make love to Cameroon :-) |
| 00:05.51 | goo6y | so why do so many people use Debian or Ubuntu or Mint variation of Debian when CentOS is better |
| 00:06.02 | n_np | im from south africa |
| 00:06.10 | goo6y | k |
| 00:06.12 | n_np | i dont think its canada's fault people use ubuntu... |
| 00:06.26 | skamikaze | #debian-offtopic |
| 00:06.28 | goo6y | I once met a man from South Africa personally, he was complaning about the currency devaluation there and inflation |
| 00:06.38 | goo6y | fuck doug ufck |
| 00:06.39 | ompaul | !ops goo6y wants attention ;-) maybe he has a pal not 100% sure |
| 00:06.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ompaul complains about: goo6y wants attention ;-) maybe he has a pal not 100% sure |
| 00:07.14 | n_np | lol |
| 00:07.42 | loop | ANYONE WANNA JOIN MY GUILD |
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| 00:08.02 | abrotman | loop: do you need help ? |
| 00:08.14 | loop | id have to answer yes to that question |
| 00:08.20 | n_np | abrotman why are there so many noobs at 2am? |
| 00:08.28 | abrotman | loop: do you need help with Debian ? |
| 00:08.37 | abrotman | n_np: it's not 2am ? |
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| 00:08.48 | n_np | it is here in south africa |
| 00:08.49 | abrotman | rox: and please don't feed the trolls? |
| 00:08.57 | loop | sure, could you tell me which version of the JVM debian stable is currently running |
| 00:09.10 | abrotman | which java implementation ? |
| 00:09.14 | loop | yes |
| 00:09.35 | abrotman | no .. i'm asking oyu |
| 00:09.48 | abrotman | there are multiple JVM implementations in stable .. which one are you talking about |
| 00:10.15 | loop | which ones please |
| 00:10.31 | abrotman | loop: i think you want packages.debian.org |
| 00:10.37 | loop | openJDK? |
| 00:10.54 | loop | oh ok thanks |
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| 00:36.21 | AthomIk | for use xen hypervisor on pentium M, i must take I386 kernel and I386 hypervisor ? |
| 00:36.33 | cnz|skyrim | ok I am trying to install my wireless adapter in debian 6 it's a belkin N150 the only link that I could find helpful was http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8591348&postcount=6 i followed the setups and wlan0 shows up in ifconfig yet I can't connect with it asn when click on network manager it doesn't seem to be working right, any ideas? |
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| 00:37.42 | n_np | i also have a belkin |
| 00:37.48 | n_np | to get it working i reset it |
| 00:37.54 | n_np | i installed debian yesterday |
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| 00:39.21 | cnz|skyrim | what you mean you reset it |
| 00:39.23 | abrotman | cnz|skyrim: what is 'uname -r' for starters ? |
| 00:40.16 | abrotman | !rt2870sta |
| 00:40.16 | dpkg | rt2870sta is the vendor driver for Ralink 802.11n/g USB (RT2070, RT2770, RT2870, RT3070, RT3071, RT3072) wireless LAN devices, included as a staging driver (amd64, i386 only) in Debian 2.6.32 kernel images. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta . Disabled in Debian kernel images post-Squeeze and removed at Linux 3.0, ask me about <rt2800usb>. |
| 00:40.35 | cnz|skyrim | abrotman: 2.6.32-5.amd64 |
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| 00:40.46 | n_np | there is usually a hidden button on all routers that you have to press with a sharp object to reset it |
| 00:41.10 | cnz|skyrim | n_np: it's a wireless card not router |
| 00:42.27 | cnz|skyrim | abrotman: i followed that link first |
| 00:42.30 | cnz|skyrim | that did absolutely nothing |
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| 00:44.15 | n_np | oh |
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| 00:47.25 | cnz|skyrim | abrotman: any other ideas |
| 00:47.41 | cnz|skyrim | I have a wlan0 and a pan0 |
| 00:48.08 | tjoy | Is the testing installation build for nov 14 confirmed to be busted? |
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| 00:48.26 | tjoy | so far, apt has lost its marbles 3 times trying to perform an installation |
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| 00:49.16 | n_np | apt :| |
| 00:49.16 | apt | pipe |
| 00:49.31 | n_np | go pipe yourself damnit |
| 00:49.43 | tjoy | if i wanted this much fun installing i'd go to gentoo |
| 00:50.14 | kyyr | cnz|skyrim: so you have the proper modules and firmware, an interface shows up, but you can't connect to APs, right? |
| 00:50.25 | babilen | tjoy: If you actually want to install wheezy you would use the stable installer. I would also recommend to install squeeze first (minimal) and dist-upgrade from there. |
| 00:50.52 | n_np | well if you're going to test something that's not done in development, especially a linux dist with deps in its package management system, expect it to fuck out |
| 00:51.32 | tjoy | babilen: debian-installer aside, is wheezy considered workable at this point? |
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| 00:52.45 | babilen | tjoy: That very much depends on your understanding of workable. It certainly needs lots of work and it goes without question that it should not be used on production systems. |
| 00:53.45 | cnz|skyrim | kyyr: I can't get network manager to scan for devices |
| 00:53.45 | babilen | tjoy: There are a few major transitions in the pipeline (see #debian-next's (irc.oftc.net) /topic) which will surely be interesting. |
| 00:53.57 | cnz|skyrim | kyyr: here is my lsusb, lwconfig, and ifconfig |
| 00:54.01 | cnz|skyrim | http://pastebin.com/3s8M3zjG |
| 00:54.34 | tjoy | hm. i can handle a little excitement. the only think i really wanted from wheezy was a newer kernel with (hopefully) multithreaded kcryptd |
| 00:54.51 | tjoy | do you think i'd be better off trying to put a newer kernel on squeeze? |
| 00:55.12 | babilen | tjoy: Which kernel version do you need? You can install 2.6.39 from backports quite easily. (/msg dpkg bdo kernel) |
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| 00:55.28 | tjoy | difficulty: this system is a xen dom0 |
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| 00:55.51 | cnz|skyrim | tjoy: wheezy is running perfectly fine on my dedicated |
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| 00:57.34 | tjoy | babilen: is there a simple way to get the configs for those bdo kernels? |
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| 00:59.03 | kyyr | cnz|skyrim: i've seen wireless NICs show up but be useless because their firmware isn't loaded. Have you sorted out http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x yet? |
| 00:59.11 | skamikaze | tjoy: just a guess but maybe apt-get source pkgname? ;) |
| 00:59.35 | tjoy | yes, possibly |
| 00:59.39 | babilen | tjoy: Good question -- I would expect them to be on a branch of the linux-2.6 source package. Or you can download the binary package, unpack it to a temporary location and take a look there. |
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| 01:02.11 | babilen | tjoy: You could, for example, download http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (either manually or with dget), unpack it with "dpkg -x linux-image*.deb /path/to/tmp/location" and take a look at the shipped /boot/config-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae file |
| 01:02.30 | cnz|skyrim | kyyr: i did that first |
| 01:02.37 | cnz|skyrim | and I just did it again |
| 01:02.50 | babilen | tjoy: You'd need to setup bdo repositories to use dget though |
| 01:02.54 | cnz|skyrim | am i loading hte right module for my device? |
| 01:03.09 | tjoy | hm |
| 01:03.16 | Silicium | humm |
| 01:03.19 | tjoy | i think i'll just work on compiling it for myself |
| 01:03.25 | Silicium | i have a problem with alsa |
| 01:03.27 | tjoy | thanks for digging into that, though |
| 01:03.49 | Silicium | i got a 10 channel USB audio "card" (NI Audio 10) |
| 01:04.14 | Silicium | with alsactl init i got just the special passtru switches in the mixer but no pcm or something |
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| 01:04.35 | Silicium | in the procsys the pcm and mixer devices does exist but i have no idea how i can bring them into the alsamixer |
| 01:04.36 | kyyr | cnz|skyrim: well, your pastebin didn't include an lsmod, and as for which one is right I only know what's on that wiki page |
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| 01:04.50 | Silicium | if someone can help me with that this would be nice :) |
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| 01:07.19 | cnz|skyrim | kyyr well any idea why I can't get network manager to scan for ap's/ |
| 01:07.22 | cnz|skyrim | ? |
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| 01:08.09 | kyyr | have you tried scanning with iwlist? |
| 01:08.25 | cardamon | cnz|skyrim: What's iwconfig call your wireless device? |
| 01:08.31 | cardamon | wlan0 probably? |
| 01:08.39 | cardamon | er interface, not device. |
| 01:09.05 | cnz|skyrim | kyyr here's my lsmod |
| 01:09.07 | cnz|skyrim | http://pastebin.com/Yz6fW3Jf |
| 01:09.13 | cnz|skyrim | cardamon: wlan0 |
| 01:09.23 | cnz|skyrim | I have a wlan0 and a pan0 |
| 01:10.18 | cardamon | Well, you've got rt2870sta loaded. |
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| 01:10.56 | cnz|skyrim | kyyr: never used iwlist before so Im not sure how to scan with it |
| 01:10.58 | cardamon | I myself had some problems with the rt2x00pci drivers. |
| 01:11.25 | cnz|skyrim | it being a usb wireless adapter make any difference |
| 01:11.26 | cardamon | cnz|skyrim: read the man page. And it's iwlist [interface name] scanning |
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| 01:11.58 | cardamon | cnz|skyrim: That only matters for which driver you use, not whether or not it works. |
| 01:12.23 | kyyr | cnz|skyrim: well I see a problem with that lsmod; wiki says module for USB RTL8188SU is r8192s_usb. rmmod rt2870sta and modprobe r8192s_usb instead? |
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| 01:12.46 | cnz|skyrim | kyyr: ok trying that now |
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| 01:16.00 | cnz|skyrim | kyyr: http://pastebin.com/zJtwDK8g |
| 01:16.08 | cnz|skyrim | wlan0 doesn't even show up now |
| 01:17.09 | kyyr | and just to be sure, firmware-realtek is installed, right? |
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| 01:18.02 | cnz|skyrim | yep |
| 01:18.09 | cnz|skyrim | i double checked and ran it again |
| 01:18.53 | kyyr | ditch that anyway, rt2870sta wasn't removed because it was in use, could be conflict there |
| 01:19.16 | cnz|skyrim | no it removed |
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| 01:19.37 | kyyr | i see, nevermind |
| 01:20.30 | cnz|skyrim | what's weird is i had 0 issues with ubuntu it detected it right away |
| 01:21.10 | kyyr | yeah, ubuntu tends to do that |
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| 01:24.12 | cnz|skyrim | kyyr: you think following these setps couldve messed something up, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8591348&postcount=6 |
| 01:25.53 | kyyr | you'd think no, since it's different devices and different modules... |
| 01:27.11 | kyyr | if you did append rt2870sta to /etc/modules you'd probably do well to remove it, but I don't see much of a problem there |
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| 01:29.23 | cnz|skyrim | kyyr: any idea on what I could try |
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| 01:29.58 | kyyr | cnz|skyrim: making further sense of that wiki page, I was looking at that zip file you're supposed to download |
| 01:30.38 | cnz|skyrim | kyyr: what exactly are you reading on the wiki I don't see no download |
| 01:30.39 | kyyr | I was thinking it was an alternative to installing firmware-realtek, but they end up extracting different files to different places, so you probably need both |
| 01:31.19 | kyyr | cnz|skyrim: http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x step 2 has all this wget thing going on |
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| 01:33.05 | cnz|skyrim | k I am going to follow that one I was reading the other wiki for the other moduel |
| 01:33.11 | cnz|skyrim | I will post results |
| 01:34.33 | yagoo | hey.. if i want to use nfs on debian, i'm forced to use the nfs-kernel-server package? |
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| 01:35.23 | kyyr | cnz|skyrim: I now notice that the model is different (SU vs U), so again firmware-realtek should be enough... |
| 01:36.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i need hlep |
| 01:36.45 | cnz|skyrim | kyyr: |
| 01:36.48 | cnz|skyrim | http://pastebin.com/MnCnNnfn |
| 01:37.04 | cnz|skyrim | when I run the last modprobe it gives that error then i get a kernel failure |
| 01:37.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | i remember a while ago when i reinstalled i was given a oneliner to install the nvidia drivers, |
| 01:37.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | the ones acutally from them.. i was wondering if you knw where ichould find that.. |
| 01:37.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | i looked at dpkg and i did the nvidia dkms and it didnt work.. |
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| 01:40.59 | cnz|skyrim | kyyr: i think i might have found an issue |
| 01:41.09 | cnz|skyrim | i had firmware-ralink installed not firmware-realink |
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| 01:41.19 | cnz|skyrim | imeal realtek* |
| 01:41.33 | kyyr | yeah, pretty sure that's bad |
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| 01:44.05 | cnz|skyrim | still no go |
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| 01:45.24 | babilen | Eryn_1983_FL: "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" + "/msg dpkg nvidia" should both work |
| 01:46.03 | cnz|skyrim | http://pastebin.com/XRTQWRrd is the kernel failure error i get when i run modprobe r8192u_usb |
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| 01:48.26 | kyyr | cnz|skyrim: that looks like a conflict between r8192s_usb and r8192u_usb, no biggie |
| 01:48.58 | cnz|skyrim | ok |
| 01:49.07 | cnz|skyrim | either way still no device now |
| 01:49.21 | cnz|skyrim | iwconfig only shows eth0 lo and pan0 |
| 01:49.43 | dvs | cnz|skyrim: Blacklist one of them |
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| 01:50.19 | cnz|skyrim | dvs ok how do I blacklist one of em |
| 01:50.33 | kyyr | cnz|skyrim: oddly, you seemed to have better results with rt2870sta than with r8192s_usb, so let's get back to that one with proper firmware now |
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| 01:51.49 | cnz|skyrim | rt2870sta\ |
| 01:51.51 | cnz|skyrim | ok |
| 01:52.10 | george__ | if I'm trying to copy all the jpgs and jpegs on my HD that start with the number 1 to a specific folder, would this do it? sudo find / -iname "1*.jpg" | cp ~/images/ ? |
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| 01:53.25 | cnz|skyrim | kyyr: ok wlan0 is back and when I run iwlist scan I get 0 results |
| 01:53.30 | kyyr | george__: i see two problems, the first being that 'find /' will eventually reach ~/images/ and I can see things getting ugly |
| 01:54.02 | george__ | kyyr, actually I'm going to be using /mnt/STORAGE/ instead of / |
| 01:54.14 | george__ | made mistake, but that's resolved :) |
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| 01:54.24 | george__ | what's the other problem? |
| 01:54.41 | george__ | I'm just not sure I'm combining the commands correctly, don't want to mess anything up |
| 01:55.18 | george__ | so "sudo find /mnt/STORAGE/ -iname "1*.jpg" | cp ~/images/" |
| 01:55.22 | kyyr | george__: cp and find syntax; off the top of my head, you'd need something like find /mnt/STORAGE/ -iname "1*.jpg" -exec mv {} ~/images/ + |
| 01:55.50 | george__ | kyyr, I wanna copy files, not move :) |
| 01:55.55 | cnz|skyrim | aahhh wait a minute kyyr if i have it connected via wired the wireless card won't work unless the wired is unplugged right? |
| 01:56.14 | kyyr | sorry, cp then, my bad |
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| 01:56.50 | kyyr | cnz|skyrim: no, multiple interfaces should be fine |
| 01:57.28 | cnz|skyrim | yeah I just tried it same results |
| 01:58.12 | cnz|skyrim | kyyr: should i remove it then try to blacklist one of the other usb drivers and see what happens? |
| 01:59.30 | kyyr | cnz|skyrim: I don't see why not, but I really don't know. To be honest, I'm stuck in a similar situation myself. |
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| 02:01.37 | cnz|skyrim | play this is so gay |
| 02:01.39 | cnz|skyrim | :( |
| 02:02.02 | cnz|skyrim | I blacklisted r8192s_usb and rmmod it |
| 02:02.12 | cnz|skyrim | then modprobed r8192u_usb |
| 02:02.26 | cnz|skyrim | it loaded this time but nothing when I run iwconfig |
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| 02:04.19 | cnz|skyrim | kyyr: I think im still using the wrong usb driver |
| 02:04.21 | cnz|skyrim | http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x#supported-r8192s-usb |
| 02:04.28 | cnz|skyrim | scroll down to the r8712 |
| 02:04.40 | cnz|skyrim | that's the one that lists my device |
| 02:05.28 | cnz|skyrim | Bus 001 Device 002: ID 050d:945a Belkin Components F7D1101 Basic Wireless USB Adapter v1000 [Realtek RTL8188SU] |
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| 02:06.48 | kyyr | cnz|skyrim: I see, we were trying r8192u_usb instead of r8712u... Boy I need some sleep. |
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| 02:08.03 | cnz|skyrim | kyyr; lol im trying the 8712u now |
| 02:08.25 | cnz|skyrim | wget ftp://ftp.dlink.com/Wireless/dwa130_revC/Drivers/dwa130_revC_drivers_linux_006.zip |
| 02:08.28 | cnz|skyrim | blah wrongwindow |
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| 02:10.28 | cnz|skyrim | root@s2:~# modprobe r8712u |
| 02:10.29 | cnz|skyrim | FATAL: Module r8712u not found. |
| 02:10.30 | cnz|skyrim | root@s2:~# |
| 02:10.32 | cnz|skyrim | uugg wtf |
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| 02:12.08 | kyyr | cnz|skyrim: Introduced in Linux 2.6.37, you have 2.6.32-5, right? |
| 02:12.17 | hanasaki | is mirrors.kernel.org/debian up to date? I am trying to install grub and getting a 404 on |
| 02:12.29 | cnz|skyrim | kyyr: yeah |
| 02:12.35 | cnz|skyrim | so I need to update my damn kernel *sigh* |
| 02:12.38 | hanasaki | squeeze/main os-prober i386 1.42 |
| 02:12.41 | cnz|skyrim | is there a 2.6.37 package |
| 02:12.49 | cnz|skyrim | for 6.0 |
| 02:13.36 | tjoy | they told me there was .39 |
| 02:13.44 | tjoy | and i think there's .38 |
| 02:13.49 | tjoy | not sure about .37 |
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| 02:14.24 | cnz|skyrim | well anything .37 anad above should work right kyyr |
| 02:15.03 | parcs_ | is there a list of laptops that are known to work flawlessly with debian squeeze? |
| 02:15.21 | cnz|skyrim | parcs_: all my laptops work fine |
| 02:15.35 | kyyr | cnz|skyrim: right, and I see 2.6.39 as backports |
| 02:15.57 | cnz|skyrim | that should work right, you got a link/ |
| 02:16.08 | hanasaki | the following url does not appear to have any of the .deb packages |
| 02:16.08 | hanasaki | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/ |
| 02:16.09 | cnz|skyrim | and btw, thanks for all the help and getting me pointed in the right direction |
| 02:17.47 | kyyr | cnz|skyrim: I found it on packages.debian.org, as for how to enable backports I don't know but can't be too hard |
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| 02:19.47 | hanasaki | are any of the main mirrors down or out of sync? like ftp.us.debian.org or mirrors.kernel.org/debian? I am getting 404's on installs |
| 02:20.15 | cnz|skyrim | kyyr: sorry for stupid question, but what' the package im looking for called |
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| 02:23.34 | kyyr | cnz|skyrim: linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64, as found at http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/linux-image-2.6-amd64, you'd do well familiarise yourself with that site. |
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| 02:23.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | I got it peeps ty for the help i didnt have my contrib and non-free in my repos lol |
| 02:25.22 | babilen | !tell cnz|skyrim -about bdo kernel |
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| 02:26.04 | george__ | anyone have any imageshack uploader scripts? |
| 02:26.05 | cnz|skyrim | kyyr: yeah I found it :) |
| 02:26.29 | babilen | cnz|skyrim: Please note dpkg's private message |
| 02:26.51 | cnz|skyrim | babilen: yep thank you |
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| 02:31.07 | cnz|skyrim | welp installing the backpoor lol hope this doesnt' fail |
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| 02:34.08 | cnz|skyrim | babilen: after the package is done installing is there anything else i need to do to boot the backport |
| 02:34.36 | Lass | anyone got the spfmilter working postfix? |
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| 02:35.18 | babilen | cnz|skyrim: Reboot? ;) |
| 02:35.32 | cnz|skyrim | yeah |
| 02:35.39 | cnz|skyrim | there wasn't an option to boot it :/ |
| 02:35.43 | cnz|skyrim | must've done something wrong |
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| 02:35.49 | george__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.28 | babilen | cnz|skyrim: Ok, lets debug this then. Show me the output of "apt-cache policy ; aptitude versions ~i~n^linux-image" please ( http://paste.debian.net ) |
| 02:37.29 | cnz|skyrim | babilen: i installed the wrong package lol |
| 02:37.38 | cnz|skyrim | i installed linux-header not linux-image |
| 02:38.22 | kyyr | george__: unless you want to mess with graphical toolkits (you don't), an easy an ugly way would be something like xmessage, zenity or dialog |
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| 02:39.08 | kyyr | george__: if you lack the python-fu to run shell commands, the go train first |
| 02:39.26 | babilen | cnz|skyrim: You might want to consider a metapackage (linux-image-amd64 for example) which depends on the lates available kernel. |
| 02:40.01 | cnz|skyrim | linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 |
| 02:40.06 | cnz|skyrim | is what im installing now |
| 02:40.06 | george__ | kyyr, xmessage, I'll look into that, thanks |
| 02:40.37 | kyyr | (actually, disregard dialog, it seems to be ncurses) |
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| 02:40.51 | babilen | cnz|skyrim: Fine as well. You will stay with .39 in that case. |
| 02:41.09 | cnz|skyrim | yeah |
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| 02:41.20 | cnz|skyrim | ty for the help |
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| 02:41.34 | Kobaz | so i guess bugs.debian.org doesn't filter email address postings |
| 02:41.46 | Kobaz | Is me judy from www bugs.debian.org My name is Judy, i am 25yrs old, i'm a free minded, open hearted girl, i like to take life as easy as i could, i'm one of the few that still believes in friendship,love, trust and signs,it will be my sincere pleasure to be your friend if you don't mind, i hope you will not take my request for granted, feel free to email me at my private email address,(petjudy211@ymail.com) i look forward to hear from you soon. |
| 02:41.57 | Kobaz | stupid spam |
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| 02:43.43 | babilen | Kobaz: Please do not paste/post spam in this channel. If there really is spam on the bugtracker there are ways to report it. Please do so in the future and refrain from pasting messages like this here. |
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| 02:49.58 | cnz|skyrim | sweetsauce |
| 02:50.07 | cnz|skyrim | kyyr: that worked |
| 02:50.31 | kyyr | cnz|skyrim: got a working wlan0 now? |
| 02:50.33 | cnz|skyrim | modprobe r8712u loaded iwlist scan found my router and all |
| 02:50.37 | cnz|skyrim | kep |
| 02:50.44 | cnz|skyrim | tyvm for your help |
| 02:50.48 | cnz|skyrim | really appreciate it |
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| 02:51.20 | kyyr | no problem, hopefully after I sleep some I can get mine to work too |
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| 02:51.40 | cnz|skyrim | you sure it's just not the same issue we were doing with mine |
| 02:51.46 | cnz|skyrim | loading the wrong driver |
| 02:52.39 | kyyr | no, my chipset doesn't require firmware and I'm pretty sure about the module... I'll ask here tomorrow if it still doesn't work |
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| 02:53.12 | cnz|skyrim | aahh, well good luck hope you get it working |
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| 02:53.36 | cnz|skyrim | thnks again babilen for the help also |
| 02:53.58 | babilen | cnz|skyrim: You are welcome :) |
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| 02:54.54 | cnz|skyrim | now time for skyrim |
| 02:59.11 | Kobaz | spam spam spam eggs and spam |
| 02:59.56 | babilen | looks at Kobaz |
| 03:00.03 | Kobaz | feels looked at |
| 03:00.59 | Kobaz | what's the thing to set up a local debian repo |
| 03:01.02 | Kobaz | apt-proxy or something like that |
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| 03:02.00 | babilen | That will cache already downloaded packages ... apt-cacher-ng, approx and apt-proxy are worth a look. Or you could just use a simple HTTP proxy. |
| 03:02.27 | babilen | !tell Kobaz -about apt-cacher-ng |
| 03:02.46 | Kobaz | mmm |
| 03:03.35 | babilen | Kobaz: It will, however, not setup a complete mirror of the Debian archive which is done with debmirror. |
| 03:03.58 | Kobaz | yeah i don't need a complete mirror |
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| 03:04.18 | Kobaz | basically i maintain my own set up packages for a group of systems to maintain stability |
| 03:04.25 | Kobaz | up/of |
| 03:04.45 | Kobaz | so i can set up a new system and install everything that's been tried and tested, etc |
| 03:05.16 | Kobaz | but i have basically an image based off an old unstable, and then a collection of debs in a dir that i rsync to sites for upgrades |
| 03:05.31 | babilen | Ah, that is again a different thing. Look at "/msg dpkg own repo" and reprepro |
| 03:06.37 | Kobaz | ah looks good |
| 03:08.20 | Kobaz | yeah it would be really nice to be able to apt-get upgrade instead of my hoaky install/dependency system |
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| 03:39.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok guys i am at the tough part how do i get the nonfree firefox installed? |
| 03:39.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:39.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | /usr/local/bin/firefox: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 03:39.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | that is what I get I used this how to http://kb.mozillazine.org/Installing_Firefox#Linux and linked it |
| 03:40.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | and btw it is install its in /usr/lib |
| 03:40.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | is it possible my /usr/lib is not in the path or something |
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| 03:41.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | sigh |
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| 03:54.14 | jiohdi | why not usr/bin? |
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| 03:55.17 | jiohdi | Eryn_1983_FL, btw, you can use firefox thumb drive version with wine, works great |
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| 04:04.42 | QuikNik | hey all, anybody here know any good free software / utilities for imaging? I need to image my entire drive to a USB hard drive? put in my new SSD and image it back |
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| 04:05.34 | cardamon | So running wheezy and updated and having some issues. |
| 04:05.48 | cardamon | Something's hinky with gnome-panel and nm-applet and anything else gnome. Trying to get some pretty without running gnome as a DE at all, but it's not using gtk+ I picked. Thunar's got no problem playing along though, so it must be something centric to gnome. Here's a screenshot http://i.imgur.com/aUzCa.jpg |
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| 04:07.02 | jiohdi | cardamon, I switched to lxde and all the gnome problems vanished |
| 04:07.12 | cardamon | jiohdi: >_> |
| 04:07.46 | jiohdi | whats the difference besides useless eye candy? |
| 04:08.29 | cardamon | well, I still use nm-applet, and occassionally some gnome tool somewhere. |
| 04:08.35 | cardamon | Like shotwell. |
| 04:08.43 | jiohdi | they still work under lxde |
| 04:09.35 | jiohdi | mostly :) |
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| 05:44.10 | ultra59ultra | wonders if, installing to an alternate directory also prevents conflicts between stable and testing applications, for instance ? |
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| 05:50.38 | gnarface | when i try to run bluetooth-agent [pin] it says "Can't get default adapter |
| 05:50.38 | gnarface | No such adapter |
| 05:50.39 | gnarface | " |
| 05:50.45 | gnarface | wtf? |
| 05:51.18 | ultra59ultra | not surprising |
| 05:52.17 | gnarface | i seem to remember it working. what should i do instead now? |
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| 05:53.44 | micah | Hi' |
| 05:53.44 | ultra59ultra | if I said you have to do what you did before, that probably wouldnt help |
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| 06:15.16 | arghx | gnarface: select the adapter via switch explicitly? |
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| 06:27.16 | chrissbx | What is the correct group for /var/run/utmp ? |
| 06:27.57 | somiaj | mine is root.utmp |
| 06:28.30 | chrissbx | I've got one machine with that, but 3 others with root.voice |
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| 06:29.03 | Foxhoundz | Does the netinstall version of Debian support wireless networking cards? |
| 06:29.51 | somiaj | Foxhoundz: depends on the wireless card because of the non-free firmware they may need. |
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| 06:29.59 | arghx | yes and no. it doesn't come with wpasupplicant so no WPA access. and it by default doesn't come with firmware so only a few cards like atheros 5k work out of the box |
| 06:30.02 | somiaj | chrissbx: http://wiki.gacq.com/index.php/Debian_default_system_groups_description -- this assems to agree with me. |
| 06:30.30 | Foxhoundz | I see |
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| 06:31.45 | arghx | either you get CD1, still need the firmware or use a firmware image. or you load wpasupplicant and its dependencies from packages.debian.org and manually copy it on the usb stick and install it via dpkg -i then. netinst itself installs a basic debian without needing any network access |
| 06:31.51 | arghx | Foxhoundz: which wlan chip do you have? |
| 06:32.04 | Foxhoundz | I have an Atheros AR9285 |
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| 06:32.18 | chrissbx | somiaj: thanks, yes I guess yours is right. Don't really know why mine are borked. |
| 06:32.22 | arghx | for ath9k you want a installer image with a backports kernel |
| 06:32.53 | chrissbx | I'd love if there were a tool or something that checked file permissions. Some "permission fsck". |
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| 06:33.50 | Foxhoundz | arghx, is there one officially available? |
| 06:35.34 | arghx | !firmware image |
| 06:35.34 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
| 06:35.53 | arghx | and for installer image with backports kernel |
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| 06:36.01 | arghx | !kmuto |
| 06:36.01 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 2.6.39) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/i386/ch04s03 |
| 06:36.19 | arghx | iirc ath9k doesn't need any firmware |
| 06:36.43 | simonlnu | !ath9k |
| 06:36.43 | dpkg | ath9k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11n PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets. Included since Linux 2.6.27, firmware from userspace is not required. The AR9287 and AR2427 chips are supported in Debian 2.6.32 kernel images. For USB 802.11n device support, see <ath9k_htc>, <ar9170>. http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
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| 07:05.27 | Arafangiom | I'm trying to set up an ipmasq setup, however if I follow http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 |
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| 07:05.58 | Arafangiom | Then it works, but it seems that the local interface still responds to PING's sent to the *external* interface? |
| 07:06.18 | Arafangiom | How do I tell iptables to drop any packet sent to the internal interface from the outside? |
| 07:06.50 | Arafangiom | I've tried setting the policy on the INPUT chain to DROP (ie, iptables -P INPUT DROP), however that seems to drop everything without any more processing. |
| 07:07.01 | arghx | if you ping from outside to the internal IP it works? if you connect to a device that is only on the inside, you can connect? |
| 07:07.23 | Arafangiom | arghx: I mean, if I connect my laptop to the external interface, I can ping the internal interface, which doesn't make sense to me. |
| 07:07.36 | Arafangiom | arghx: So yes, that's right. |
| 07:07.40 | arghx | how do you connect the laptop? |
| 07:07.50 | arghx | is this ipmasq setup currently online? |
| 07:07.53 | Arafangiom | I use a cable, straight to the 'external' interface. |
| 07:07.56 | Arafangiom | Yes, at that website. |
| 07:08.18 | arghx | no. is your ipmasq setup online? |
| 07:08.31 | Arafangiom | Ah, no, but I'm happy to type it out? |
| 07:08.39 | Arafangiom | I assume you'd want the output of iptables -L |
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| 07:08.45 | arghx | no I don't |
| 07:09.21 | Arafangiom | arghx: Well, except for the swapping of the interface names, I've used the iptables script in debian-administration above verbatim. |
| 07:09.45 | arghx | Arafangiom: ok, please show us the iptables -L output |
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| 07:12.45 | Arafangiom | http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 07:13.03 | arghx | yes, that's a great website. I use it all the time |
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| 07:13.34 | Arafangiom | arghx: It's very useful. :) (I can't tell if you're sarcastic there...) |
| 07:13.37 | Arafangiom | Oh, duh. |
| 07:13.39 | Arafangiom | Indeed you are. |
| 07:13.45 | Arafangiom | http://paste.debian.net/146229/ |
| 07:14.44 | arghx | you didn't use the script you linked. your forward queue looks hinky |
| 07:14.50 | Arafangiom | Hmm. |
| 07:15.14 | arghx | 4th line from the end is not there |
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| 07:15.52 | arghx | btw: you're sitll sorta "safe" from the wider internet since your internal LAN addresses are not routable. but others in your subnet (if you are on cable could intrude in your LAN |
| 07:16.42 | arghx | somehow I don't think you are using that script at all. I cannot see the FORWARD rules either in your output |
| 07:16.50 | Arafangiom | Meh, indeed. |
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| 07:17.07 | Arafangiom | arghx: Sorta, unless the server just happens to be running samba. |
| 07:17.17 | Arafangiom | (Which isn't ideal) |
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| 07:18.16 | arghx | from the description, all you have enabled is IP forwarding |
| 07:18.42 | Arafangiom | arghx: Yes, except I didn't want services that only bind to the internal network to also be accessible on the external network. |
| 07:18.46 | Arafangiom | interface, rather. |
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| 07:19.24 | Arafangiom | I had stuffed up the iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth0 -j REJECT rule. :) |
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| 07:20.34 | Arafangiom | I've gotta head off, thanks again. :) |
| 07:20.51 | arghx | as I said, 4th line from the end |
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| 07:27.02 | mah454 | I need cdrecord command ... |
| 07:27.14 | mah454 | How can install it ? |
| 07:27.33 | arghx | you can't. install wodim |
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| 07:37.49 | Arafangiom | Meh, I'm still stuck with the iptables. :( |
| 07:37.57 | Arafangiom | is typing the rules he used. |
| 07:38.46 | Arafangiom | http://paste.debian.net/146230/ |
| 07:39.13 | Arafangiom | Those are the rules I'm using that result in an apparently working ipmasq setup, but I can access the internal interface from the external network, which I do not want. |
| 07:39.37 | Arafangiom | If I change the policy such that it's iptables -P INPUT DROP instead, then I can't ping *any* interface. |
| 07:40.10 | arghx | please paste the result of iptables -L and iptables -L -t nat |
| 07:40.26 | arghx | it's not input you have a problem with but forwarding. different things |
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| 07:41.23 | Bushmills | Arafangiom: -P DROP is the way you want to go, and ACCEPT what you want to permit. |
| 07:41.44 | Arafangiom | arghx: The results of iptables -L is unchanged from http://paste.debian.net/146229/ |
| 07:42.18 | Arafangiom | Bush: Yes, but there's something wrong with the permit rules. |
| 07:42.29 | Arafangiom | Bush: The policy changes just make it obvious. |
| 07:42.34 | arghx | Arafangiom: then your forward statement is still bungled do a -i eth0 -o eth1 for it |
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| 07:43.20 | Arafangiom | arghx: You mean, the iptables -P forward? |
| 07:43.23 | Bushmills | i suppose you want to ACCEPT traffic to local interface |
| 07:43.34 | Arafangiom | Bush: From the outside? No. |
| 07:43.46 | Arafangiom | The cmoputer has two network interfaces. |
| 07:44.11 | Arafangiom | *EVERYTHING* to the internal network from the external network should be dropped, except for connections that have been established as a NAT'ed connection. |
| 07:44.14 | Bushmills | local isn't outside |
| 07:44.27 | Arafangiom | Bush: Could you be more precise, then? |
| 07:44.58 | Bushmills | if your local interface received traffic from outside, you'd not call it "local" |
| 07:45.17 | Arafangiom | Bushmills: I'm confused. |
| 07:45.39 | Arafangiom | Bushmills: Isn't communication normally both ways? Ie, you send a request, and then you get a response? |
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| 07:46.02 | Bushmills | you have two interfaces. one LAN side, one WAN side. restrict traffic to WAN side interface. allow traffic to LAN side interface |
| 07:46.46 | Arafangiom | Bushmills: Sorry, I don't follow. |
| 07:47.22 | Arafangiom | Bushmills: I want to have internet traffic hitting the WAN side, and LAN traffic hitting the LAN side. As a special case, I want to ALLOW LAN traffic to the WAN side after NAT translation. |
| 07:47.34 | Arafangiom | Bushmills: But I do *NOT* want the WAN traffic from touching the LAN interface. |
| 07:48.01 | Arafangiom | Unless, of course, said traffic is the result of an existing connection from the LAN, eg, so that the LAN user can see a website. |
| 07:48.10 | Bushmills | WAN traffic can't hit LAN traffic, because WAN traffic goes to WAN interface, not to LAN interface |
| 07:48.21 | Arafangiom | Bushmills: I think we're confusing each other? |
| 07:48.44 | Bushmills | "...can't hit LAN interface", i meant to say |
| 07:48.53 | Arafangiom | arghx: Could you please exlpain what you mean by 'do a -i eth0 -o eth1 for it'? |
| 07:49.11 | arghx | Arafangiom: no I mean your last forward line |
| 07:49.12 | Arafangiom | Bushmills: By that, you mean, "a NEW connection can't be made to the lan interface"? |
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| 07:49.32 | Bushmills | NO connection from WAN can hit LAN interface. |
| 07:49.49 | Arafangiom | Bush: How on earth would the LAN user get the website data that they requested, then? |
| 07:49.52 | arghx | Bushmills: he can "ping 192.168.1.1" from outside and get a response |
| 07:50.13 | arghx | Arafangiom: that's your problem, right? |
| 07:50.14 | jiltdil | I want to use kde desktop environment. Please tell me the package |
| 07:50.23 | arghx | !tell jiltdil about install kde |
| 07:50.35 | jiltdil | arghx: thanks |
| 07:50.36 | Arafangiom | arghx: So change: iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth0 -j REJECT? |
| 07:50.47 | arghx | please answer my question |
| 07:51.06 | Bushmills | arghx: that's because all routers in the world route 192.168.1.1 to his WAN interface? |
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| 07:51.35 | arghx | Bushmills: please read what I wrote above before you make more inane statements |
| 07:52.34 | Arafangiom | arghx: The problem I have is that I don't want to be able to ping (or access anything listening to) the local network, which is eth1, yet I want to have ip massq working. |
| 07:53.04 | arghx | please show us the command you use to demonstrate that |
| 07:53.06 | Bushmills | arghx: i read last thing you said, that he can ping 192.168.1.1 from outside, and wasn't aware that i need to do log crawling before that makes sense |
| 07:53.27 | arghx | < arghx> btw: you're sitll sorta "safe" from the wider internet since your internal LAN addresses are not routable. but others in your subnet (if you are on cable could intrude in your LAN |
| 07:54.11 | Arafangiom | arghx: "ping 192.168.0.2" responds with 'Request timeout for icmp_seq X' |
| 07:54.29 | arghx | and this connects to the inside of your LAN how? |
| 07:55.00 | Arafangiom | arghx: Sorry, If I have iptables -P INPUT DROP, then that times out, and tha'ts the external ip address. |
| 07:55.37 | Arafangiom | If I have the policy set to -P INPUT ACCEPT, however, then it responds fine, but unfortunately, 192.168.1.1, which is the INTERNAL address, still responds. |
| 07:55.52 | Arafangiom | And that's the address that hosts the samba server. |
| 07:56.17 | arghx | Arafangiom: you make no sense. please tell us what IPs you use for what and then please demonstrate how you can reach internal IPs from outside. so far you talked a lot of gibberish. please provide useful info or we cannot help you |
| 07:56.48 | Arafangiom | eth1 is the local network interface, ip 192.168.1.1 |
| 07:56.56 | Arafangiom | eth0 is the external network interface, ip 192.168.0.2 |
| 07:57.40 | Arafangiom | I test the setup by using a second laptop that connects directly to either one or the other interface via a network cable, which then pings either '192.168.0.2' or '192.168.1.1'. |
| 07:58.41 | Arafangiom | Unfortunately, if the policy is set to '-P INPUT ACCEPT' so far either both '192.168.1.1' or '192.168.0.2' will result in a response, even if connected to the external interface. If it's set to '-P INPUT DROP', however, then *neither* address works, which confuses me no end. |
| 07:58.58 | arghx | SHOW! not "describe" |
| 07:59.41 | arghx | and I told you that INPUT is not FORWARD a long time ago. different things. if you INPUT drop, NOTHING gets through, cause it's well, DROPPED! |
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| 08:00.07 | Arafangiom | Ok, so I do not want that - I'll change INPUT to 'ACCEPT', then. |
| 08:00.24 | mvv_ | debian on a 11.3" macbook, too much effort? |
| 08:00.49 | arghx | !tell mvv_ about macbook |
| 08:01.00 | Arafangiom | Arghx: But, if I do that, then I can ping the internal interface from the external laptop connected to the external interface? (How do I "show" this?) |
| 08:01.04 | Arafangiom | A movie camera/ |
| 08:01.07 | arghx | mvv_: only stumbling blocks are EFI and the shitty broadcom hardware Apple uses |
| 08:01.16 | Arafangiom | (Note: The systems do not have internet access yet) |
| 08:01.18 | Twigg | apt-get install hdparm |
| 08:01.23 | Twigg | oops, sorry |
| 08:01.25 | Twigg | :D :D |
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| 08:02.13 | Twigg | I was wrong place :p |
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| 08:03.10 | jiltdil | !tell me about kde |
| 08:03.32 | arghx | !tell jiltdil about selftell |
| 08:03.42 | Arafangiom | arghx: Hmm… Hang on… Let me reconnect, I think my macbook that I used to test it is confusing matters. Just changed the server IP addresses. |
| 08:04.33 | Arafangiom | Hmm, nope, it's nto the macbook. |
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| 08:05.42 | Arafangiom | arghx: Changed 192.168.1.x to 192.168.2.x so that i don't have to disconnect wifi (and therefore this network), so now I have 192.168.0.x as the external network on the server, and 192.168.2.x as the internal network. |
| 08:05.58 | Arafangiom | arghx: Here is how I determine that the iptables rules aren't working, when connected to the external interface: http://paste.debian.net/146232/ |
| 08:06.14 | Arafangiom | arghx: My question is: "How the heck does the internal interface respond?" |
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| 08:06.55 | arghx | the response is easy, the packets reaching it are the mystery |
| 08:07.06 | Arafangiom | arghx: Yes, that is the mystery. |
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| 08:07.28 | arghx | I told you what to do above. feel free to try it |
| 08:07.54 | jiltdil | after doing this apt-get install kde-plasma-desktop is gnome will pe replaced by kde or i hve been provided with two desktop environments? |
| 08:08.04 | arghx | jiltdil: two desktop environments |
| 08:08.06 | Arafangiom | I am using that. I've now gotten SSH access to it, let me get the exact file. |
| 08:08.13 | jiltdil | arghx, thanks alot |
| 08:08.54 | Arafangiom | arghx: http://paste.debian.net/146233/ |
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| 08:10.57 | Arafangiom | arghx: I am confused, actually - you said that I should do the -i eth0 -o eth1 thing, which you can see on line 22 there, however, the original listing at http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 uses -i eth1 -o eth1 |
| 08:11.41 | Arafangiom | composes a larger log |
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| 08:14.00 | Arafangiom | http://paste.debian.net/146234/ |
| 08:15.04 | Arafangiom | And the ifconfig output: |
| 08:15.04 | Arafangiom | http://paste.debian.net/146235/ |
| 08:16.17 | Arafangiom | is getting very frustrated. :( |
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| 08:21.11 | Arafangiom | Bushmills: I noticed that you seem to think that I said 192.168.1.1 is my external interface? That's never been the case. |
| 08:21.29 | Arafangiom | The external interface has always been 192.168.0.2 |
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| 08:22.08 | Arafangiom | gives up, and tries asking a simple question instead: |
| 08:22.41 | Arafangiom | How do I set up an ipmasq setup for my new debian server, which performs NAT for local traffic, but does not let external traffic into either the local LAN, or the local interface on the server? |
| 08:22.45 | arghx | why do you want to do a double NAT in the first place? |
| 08:22.57 | Arafangiom | arghx: I don't - if I am, that explains things! |
| 08:23.02 | arghx | Arafangiom: you can get the ipmasq package from lenny. will still work last I checked |
| 08:23.21 | valdyn | Arafangiom: dont use ipmasq, its iptables |
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| 08:23.32 | arghx | you have a non routable RFC1918 address as your WAN interface. that very strongly points to a NAT already |
| 08:23.43 | arghx | valdyn: and? |
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| 08:24.48 | Arafangiom | arghx: Good point, that would've made things confusing. in the setup this server is going to, there's another router there. |
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| 08:25.29 | ipo | hi |
| 08:25.31 | ipo | please help me |
| 08:25.45 | valdyn | arghx: nevermind, i confused this with ipchains, i guess its still as ok as it always was to use ipmasq ( the package ) |
| 08:26.00 | ipo | my debian is crashed . and that cant find my ntfs drivers |
| 08:26.11 | arghx | valdyn: nah. old versions of ipmasq used ipchains. around woody or etch it could use both :) |
| 08:26.17 | ipo | and removable devices! |
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| 08:26.20 | Arafangiom | arghx: What line introduces the double-masq? |
| 08:26.31 | ipo | please help me |
| 08:26.40 | arghx | Arafangiom: no line. the fact that both your internal and external LAN use unroutable addresses |
| 08:27.10 | Arafangiom | arghx: So I don't have double-masq? |
| 08:27.10 | arghx | !tell ipo about smart questions |
| 08:27.20 | arghx | Arafangiom: you are trying to use double NAT |
| 08:27.29 | Arafangiom | arghx: I'm trying *not* to use double NAT. |
| 08:27.31 | arghx | a NAT behind another NAT |
| 08:27.36 | Arafangiom | Oh, I see! |
| 08:27.37 | arghx | but that's what you are doing |
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| 08:27.53 | Arafangiom | A NAT behind another NAT - I thought you meant a double NAT as in, NAT both directions through the gateway. |
| 08:28.04 | ipo | arghx, what do you mean? |
| 08:28.27 | yagoo | !ntfs-3g |
| 08:28.28 | dpkg | NTFS-3G is a userspace driver providing NTFS read and write support. "aptitude install ntfs-3g". Usage examples: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/#usage . Also ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 08:28.33 | yagoo | (dont use the ntfs module) |
| 08:28.33 | arghx | ipo: I mean your problem description is non existent and no one can help you unless you learn how to do a proper problem description |
| 08:28.39 | Arafangiom | arghx: I think I will change that setup, now that you've pointed it out, however, for educational reasons, why might my issue still be occuring? |
| 08:28.50 | valdyn | ipo: how are we supposed to give you help if you do not give us useful information beyond "something is broken" |
| 08:29.41 | arghx | ipo: as a car analogy, you just phoned your mechanic and told him "my car doesn't start anymore". what is the mechanic supposed to do? get a crystal ball and magically fix the broken part via telekinesis? |
| 08:29.57 | ipo | valdyn, my debian was worked , but today when I turn on my computer , I see that problem |
| 08:30.15 | ipo | that can open Computer folder |
| 08:30.19 | ipo | on desktop |
| 08:30.25 | arghx | !enter |
| 08:30.26 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 08:30.49 | arghx | ipo: which debian release do you run? |
| 08:31.02 | Arafangiom | arghx: Do I need to change my external interface to a *random* IP address that happens to be "routable" in order to find out if that external interface will not respond to pings that were sent to the internal address? |
| 08:31.03 | ipo | version 5 - 64bit |
| 08:31.19 | valdyn | Arafangiom: no, that is nonsense |
| 08:31.23 | arghx | Arafangiom: you should not do NAT in the first place |
| 08:31.37 | Arafangiom | arghx: I have only the one network address here. |
| 08:32.00 | arghx | I know. but it already does NAT somewhere just fine. so no reason to do it a 2nd time, is there? |
| 08:32.33 | Arafangiom | arghx: No, except that it very conveniently lets me set up the server in this building, without taking the internet down for everyone else. |
| 08:32.51 | valdyn | Arafangiom: try http://www.whatismyip.com/ to see your external ip of your router that does the NAT |
| 08:33.18 | Arafangiom | valdyn: My current router, or the router of the network that this server will ultimately be going to, which is 200km away? |
| 08:33.19 | arghx | Arafangiom: that is no reason |
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| 08:34.01 | valdyn | arghx: we dont know your network. It's usually the dsl or cable modem |
| 08:34.05 | Arafangiom | The reason I used 192.168.0.2 was because I needed an 'external network', so I just used that one. My rationale was: "Once I have this working, I'll find out the real IP address and put that in". |
| 08:34.12 | valdyn | Arafangiom: ^^^ |
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| 08:34.48 | Arafangiom | In any case, I've wasted enough time on this, and I want to chang ethe network configuration anyway to avoid a second NAT. |
| 08:34.57 | Arafangiom | But I'm annoyed that I haven't learnt anything about WHY this thing is happening. |
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| 08:35.09 | arghx | Arafangiom: the other place, does it do NAT too? |
| 08:35.15 | Arafangiom | It does. |
| 08:35.24 | Arafangiom | This is Australia. Everything does NAT. |
| 08:36.02 | valdyn | Arafangiom: are you saying that you dont have your own routable ip but that its shared? |
| 08:36.04 | mvv_ | ahhh USB3 hard drives and this debian stable install == kernel oops |
| 08:36.36 | valdyn | ( and i thought only se asia was out of ip adresses ) |
| 08:36.38 | Arafangiom | valdyn: Yes, there is only one network line, and that line has only one IP address. |
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| 08:37.00 | valdyn | Arafangiom: one network line for you and your neighbours? |
| 08:37.04 | walle | which channel talk about GNU/Linux programming? |
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| 08:37.22 | Arafangiom | valdyn: Well, no, I could improve it, and I think I will, although that means I'll have to drive there. |
| 08:37.35 | Arafangiom | valdyn: Rather than having someone just physically wack the server in and be done with it. |
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| 08:37.59 | valdyn | Arafangiom: you dont seem to be answering my questions |
| 08:38.14 | arghx | valdyn: it's not malice but inability |
| 08:38.26 | valdyn | arghx: yea |
| 08:38.31 | Arafangiom | valdyn: No, the neighbours have their own network connections. |
| 08:39.06 | valdyn | Arafangiom: ok -> assuming thats true, then you must have a device that does the NAT already |
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| 08:39.37 | Arafangiom | valdyn: Yes, we have a modem that does NAT already, although originally it was configured in a bridge configuration. |
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| 08:40.06 | Arafangiom | valdyn: And neither the server nor the network was reconfigured to deal with the modem that now does NAT, excepet for changing the IP address of the server. |
| 08:41.08 | valdyn | Arafangiom: and the problem remaining is what? |
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| 08:44.48 | Arafangiom | valdyn: Well, it was mostly that when I had the network setup with the ipmasq and everything, I could still access the server's internal interface from the external interface. |
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| 08:45.22 | Arafangiom | Ie, a laptop connected to the external interface can access files from a samba instance listening on the internal interface. |
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| 08:46.36 | valdyn | Arafangiom: so that server is still configured as a router or something else is |
| 08:46.51 | Arafangiom | valdyn: It is, indeed. |
| 08:47.09 | Arafangiom | valdyn: We then got sidetracked by the sillyness of having TWO routers. |
| 08:47.21 | valdyn | Arafangiom: so what do you want to do? switch off that functionality? |
| 08:47.33 | arghx | wonders how that is all debian related |
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| 08:47.37 | Twigg | Hi, what is the problem? you cannot access to a samba shares? |
| 08:47.37 | Arafangiom | valdyn: I don't want to let the external traffic access the internal network. |
| 08:47.51 | Arafangiom | Twigg: The problem is that I *can* access the samba share. |
| 08:47.53 | valdyn | Arafangiom: its all LAN traffic, its not what we call external |
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| 08:48.04 | valdyn | Arafangiom: its not internet traffic |
| 08:48.04 | Arafangiom | The server has two network interface cards. |
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| 08:48.17 | arghx | Arafangiom: do you really want to set up a debian router for this 200km far away place? |
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| 08:48.30 | valdyn | Arafangiom: but now i think i might finally understand what you want, and ipmasq has nothign whatsoever to do with this |
| 08:48.32 | Arafangiom | arghx: No. |
| 08:48.50 | arghx | Arafangiom: then all your questions are bogus and there is no need to set up ipmasquerading |
| 08:49.05 | Twigg | Arafangiom: You want to block access from a network, is that correct? |
| 08:49.10 | Arafangiom | valdyn: I do, however, want to share the extenral IP address that server has on the external interface, with those who are connected to the internal interface. |
| 08:49.41 | valdyn | Arafangiom: why dont you use the NAT that you already have? |
| 08:49.42 | Arafangiom | Twigg: Yes. Specifically, all except the network that is connected to the internal interface. |
| 08:49.57 | Twigg | what is the network you want to allow? |
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| 08:50.09 | Twigg | (its network address) |
| 08:50.23 | Arafangiom | 192.168.2.x (formerly 192.168.1.x) |
| 08:50.39 | valdyn | Arafangiom: youre telling us that you are doing something that is impossible |
| 08:50.47 | Arafangiom | valdyn: How so? |
| 08:50.55 | valdyn | Arafangiom: and from that impossible base you want to do something else |
| 08:51.07 | Twigg | ok, do you have a "hosts allow" directive in your smb.conf? |
| 08:51.11 | Arafangiom | The previous server which is being replaced handled it fine, although it was using shorewall to configure iptables. |
| 08:51.17 | valdyn | Arafangiom: your "external" interface is an internet routable ip |
| 08:51.33 | valdyn | Arafangiom: accessing the "internal" interface through that is *not* possible |
| 08:51.50 | Arafangiom | valdyn: 192.168.0.x is the "external" interface in this scenario. |
| 08:51.57 | Twigg | you're not forced to block access from your firewall, you can also add "hosts allow" directive in your conf file |
| 08:52.17 | Twigg | hosts allow = 192.168.2.0/24 for exemple |
| 08:52.20 | Arafangiom | valdyn: In hindsight, it was an extremely bad number to choose while trying to figure out how to set it up, because it's confused you guys no end. |
| 08:52.38 | Arafangiom | Twigg: Actually, I'm using interfaces = 127.0.0.0/8 eth1 and bind itnerfaces only = yes |
| 08:53.51 | Twigg | bind interface do not the same thing that hosts allow |
| 08:54.24 | Arafangiom | Twigg: |
| 08:54.28 | Twigg | you can for exemple use "interfaces = eth1" with interface only = yes and add "hosts allow" directive? |
| 08:54.40 | Arafangiom | Twigg: Doesn't it do a semantically similar thing? |
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| 08:55.34 | Arafangiom | Twigg: Using hosts allow would be more explicit, though, I agree, but surely, if eth1 is 192.168.2.x, and it only binds to eth1, then that means that it'll only respond to that subnet? |
| 08:56.06 | Arafangiom | Twigg: However, isn't the point of using the iptables to prevent the application from even *getting* the request? |
| 08:56.08 | valdyn | Arrowmaster: hosts allow is a self contained restriction setup, listen only restricts anything in conjunction with the ip forwading and routing setup |
| 08:56.24 | Twigg | hmmm |
| 08:56.30 | valdyn | (except if you only listen to localhost) |
| 08:57.07 | Arafangiom | Anyway, I have to head off. |
| 08:57.13 | Arafangiom | Thanks for all your help. :/ |
| 08:57.21 | Twigg | :-| |
| 08:57.42 | Arafangiom | It's a long drive to change the network setup to something sensible. |
| 08:58.38 | Twigg | I need to go out, see you |
| 08:58.47 | Arafangiom | Cya. :) |
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| 09:03.26 | ussher_ | im wanting to add streamripper to my system. I have found it here: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/streamripper I tried adding "deb http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/streamripper" to my /etc/apt/sources.lst but i get a malformed error when doing apt-get update. I think it needs a 'main' or something on the end of that line. How do i know what to put? |
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| 09:04.22 | ompaul | ussher_: why not do apt-get update && apt-get install streamripper |
| 09:04.34 | ompaul | because that is how to do it in debian |
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| 09:04.57 | ussher_ | ompaul: thats what im trying to do. but its not available so im thinking i need to add a repo where it is available. |
| 09:05.12 | ompaul | ,versions streamripper |
| 09:05.13 | judd | Package: streamripper on i386 -- lenny: 1.63.5-2; sid: 1.64.6-1; squeeze: 1.64.6-1; wheezy: 1.64.6-1 |
| 09:05.19 | ompaul | so there you go |
| 09:05.22 | ussher_ | i get E: Unable to locate package streamripper |
| 09:05.39 | ompaul | what version of debian are you running? |
| 09:05.52 | ussher_ | linux mint debian edition. |
| 09:05.56 | ompaul | !mint |
| 09:05.56 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 09:06.04 | ussher_ | ah. sorry |
| 09:06.05 | ompaul | hard luck - no wonder we can't support you |
| 09:06.13 | ussher_ | appologies |
| 09:06.24 | ompaul | if you had picked debian all would be good |
| 09:06.26 | sauvin | There ARE Mint channels; they can help you. |
| 09:06.36 | ussher_ | ill go look for one. |
| 09:07.04 | ompaul | the mint channel was named in that factoid I had the bot spout |
| 09:07.20 | ussher_ | ompaul++ |
| 09:07.23 | ussher_ | thanks for that. |
| 09:07.38 | ussher_ | ah, me and one other person in that channel :) |
| 09:08.01 | ompaul | so I guess you best go get debian so we can help ya |
| 09:08.21 | ompaul | shuts up |
| 09:08.44 | ussher_ | :) go looking for how to install a package and find i need an OS replacement. hard day. |
| 09:08.45 | sauvin | Reminds me I have Mint installed on a little-used laptop; oughta have another look at it. |
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| 09:12.38 | arghx | ussher_: did you really check the irc.spotchat.org server? |
| 09:13.03 | ussher_ | i went into #linuxmint-help then back to google. |
| 09:13.41 | arghx | yes, but linuxmint-help on your current server. which is not irc.spotchat.org |
| 09:14.02 | ussher_ | freenode is irc isnt it? there are other servers... |
| 09:14.25 | arghx | yes, there is irc.freenode.org and there is irc.spotchat.org. and they are different |
| 09:14.25 | ussher_ | ill go look. cheers |
| 09:15.06 | ompaul | ussher_: /server irc.spotchat.org was in the factoid |
| 09:15.07 | skilz | 2011-09-25 13:13:32 socket bind() to port 25 for address ::1 failed: Cannot assign requested address: daemon abandoned |
| 09:15.14 | skilz | Whats up with that? |
| 09:15.28 | ompaul | no mail server? |
| 09:15.35 | skilz | nope |
| 09:15.40 | ompaul | (total guess) |
| 09:16.07 | ompaul | ipv6 fail |
| 09:16.12 | ompaul | now to google tha tone |
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| 09:17.14 | arghx | is the daemon now an orphan when it's abandoned? or a zombie? |
| 09:17.39 | ompaul | netstat -napt|grep 25 |
| 09:17.46 | ompaul | skilz: ^^ what does that say |
| 09:17.59 | ompaul | you might find some other program other than exim there |
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| 09:19.01 | ompaul | skilz: any good nstat info? |
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| 09:19.40 | ompaul | skilz: sorry got to run |
| 09:19.44 | Hackbat | You think you know linux until you try to do something useful with it :P |
| 09:20.30 | sauvin | I don't think I know linux very well and still manage to do everything I need or want with it. |
| 09:21.26 | Hackbat | like setting up a Cups based samba share on a Command line install of debian? |
| 09:21.48 | Hackbat | and making it play nice with windows 7? |
| 09:22.10 | Hackbat | Cause if you have you know I'd worship you and name you my new god |
| 09:22.10 | valdyn | since windows can print to cups directly... uh |
| 09:22.56 | Hackbat | I followed a guid an all I got was a printer shared on samba that doesn't print ;w; |
| 09:23.10 | sauvin | Since I almost never have anything to do with Windows, I don't worry about Samba. |
| 09:23.33 | nsadmin | Hackbat, debian: on-topic. windows: not so much :P |
| 09:23.54 | Hackbat | well the windows thing is easy |
| 09:24.18 | arghx | what does smbclient say? |
| 09:24.23 | sauvin | Then why do I find using Windows so frustrating? |
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| 09:25.17 | Hackbat | smbclient? |
| 09:25.26 | arghx | yes smbclient |
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| 09:25.41 | nsadmin | sauvin, no idea. too many possible reasons. |
| 09:26.02 | valdyn | Hackbat: looks like seting up basic printing in smb.conf is uncommenting a few lines |
| 09:26.16 | arghx | valdyn: it is. which is why I asked for smbclient output |
| 09:26.23 | Hackbat | want me to pastebin my config files? |
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| 09:26.44 | valdyn | Hackbat: but I cant remember what I did, which is probably because it was not hard |
| 09:27.09 | arghx | Hackbat: can you please paste what I want? |
| 09:27.15 | Hackbat | no |
| 09:27.22 | dasud | hello .. i`m havin` an issue while trying to play mkv files ... as soon as the sub comes up i get this error |
| 09:27.23 | dasud | MPlayer interrupted by signal 6 in module: filter video |
| 09:27.25 | Hackbat | cause all you gave was a command |
| 09:27.27 | Hackbat | @_@ |
| 09:27.48 | valdyn | dasud: try mplayer2 instead |
| 09:28.00 | dasud | yeap |
| 09:28.05 | Hackbat | I know nothing about smbclient |
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| 09:29.01 | valdyn | Hackbat: maybe "smbtree" instead |
| 09:29.18 | Hackbat | I'm not linux retarded, I've just never had to use samba or cups |
| 09:29.20 | valdyn | Hackbat: but then again, why dont you just print to cups directly |
| 09:29.25 | Hackbat | valdyn, kay |
| 09:29.26 | arghx | Hackbat: then maybe read the manpage for it? |
| 09:29.38 | Hackbat | because I forget they have those |
| 09:29.57 | arghx | I don't know if you are linux retarded, but your problem solving skills which you displayed so far could use some help. and that is totally linux unrelated |
| 09:30.04 | valdyn | Hackbat: samba is not needed nor useful for your printing, at least in the basic cases |
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| 09:30.18 | Hackbat | valdyn, in my case it might be |
| 09:30.20 | dasud | and while trying to play same mkv files with vlc i get only the "background" sound .. no voicews |
| 09:30.25 | dasud | voice* |
| 09:30.29 | arghx | Hackbat: not to mention I told you half an hour ago that you don't need samba and can use IPP directly |
| 09:30.41 | nsadmin | Hackbat, state what that case is |
| 09:31.01 | nsadmin | what's IPP? |
| 09:31.11 | arghx | !ipp |
| 09:31.11 | dpkg | it has been said that ipp is Internet Printing Protocol, a HTTP-based protocol for sharing printers on a network. Ask me about <cups> for a Linux implementation. |
| 09:31.18 | arghx | that is what CUPS speaks on port 631 |
| 09:32.06 | Hackbat | for the past two years I've been using an old gaming rig as a printserver, it ran xp and used samba to share the HP printer |
| 09:32.35 | arghx | it cannot run XP and samba at the same time |
| 09:32.37 | Hackbat | I recently killed a laptop, and I'm using it's motherboard as a new server, lowpower and low space, |
| 09:32.41 | tharkun | Is there a simple way of making an iso out of a running debian system? so it can be burned on a cd and used as a hot backup in case of system fu? |
| 09:32.58 | valdyn | !mondo |
| 09:32.59 | dpkg | Mondo Rescue is a full-featured backup/restore system with support for backup media CDRW, tape, NFS mount, etc - a complete system can be restored from bare metal. http://www.mondorescue.org/docs/mondorescue-howto.html#FAQ http://trac.mondorescue.org/wiki/FAQ http://www.mondorescue.org/ |
| 09:33.00 | valdyn | tharkun: ^^ |
| 09:33.13 | Hackbat | oh this is for my parents |
| 09:33.30 | valdyn | tharkun: howeer you can not use that as a live system but for a bare metal restore afaik |
| 09:33.31 | Hackbat | so it's got to be idiot proof int he setup, thus why I use samba |
| 09:33.35 | arghx | still waits for the answer of nsadmin's question to Hackbat |
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| 09:33.51 | Hackbat | I just did |
| 09:33.56 | Hackbat | all that text |
| 09:33.59 | Hackbat | is my case |
| 09:34.11 | arghx | that reason is nonsense |
| 09:34.17 | Hackbat | the reason why I'm pushing for samba |
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| 09:34.53 | Hackbat | okay well I've got to move out eventually, and I'd rather have something simple for them to use when they restore their laptops |
| 09:35.17 | arghx | using additional software, more than is needed isn't "simple". it's "unneeded complexity" |
| 09:35.18 | nsadmin | ok, (since I'm coming in in the middle of this), I dunno which is what, and I do see there is a difference of opinion whether you need samba or not |
| 09:35.18 | Hackbat | I don't want to have to come back just to freaking install a printer |
| 09:35.42 | arghx | nsadmin: windows supported IPP since windows 2000 |
| 09:35.46 | nsadmin | so coming back is expensive? :) |
| 09:35.55 | tharkun | valdyn: the general idea is to make an iso burned on a cd out of a working system. in case of fubar the cd is placed on a random computer reboot from there and have a point in time working server |
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| 09:35.58 | arghx | nsadmin: yes, when one doesn't know what VNC is |
| 09:36.05 | nsadmin | is IPP lpd-style? |
| 09:36.10 | Hackbat | arghx, you have to look at this from the windows side, all they have to do to intall a printer is type in \\server\hpshare |
| 09:36.17 | valdyn | tharkun: sure |
| 09:36.22 | Hackbat | idit proof |
| 09:36.26 | Hackbat | *idiot |
| 09:36.32 | valdyn | tharkun: im just saying, mondo is for restoring a server, not for running a server from live cd |
| 09:36.49 | valdyn | tharkun: it does everything else you asked for |
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| 09:37.53 | Hackbat | so I'm rather partial to using samba in this case |
| 09:38.08 | tharkun | valdyn: thanks, i am reading now. and the url have been properly bookmarked |
| 09:38.43 | valdyn | tharkun: but random computer is to general to really work in reality, you need something that is to some extent identical |
| 09:39.12 | valdyn | tharkun: and a configuration of that sais server that is not tied to hardware specifics |
| 09:39.56 | nsadmin | Hackbat, so what I hear you saying is that you recognize you have the choice and you'd rather use samba due to its ease of use on the windows side |
| 09:40.23 | valdyn | nsadmin: he has not tried ipp, he does not know that its equally simple |
| 09:41.10 | Hackbat | Okay well tell me what it requires to install a shared printer with IPP on windows 7 |
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| 09:41.39 | valdyn | Hackbat: this is not a windows support channel |
| 09:42.06 | Hackbat | I know that... |
| 09:42.44 | tharkun | valdyn: thanks, noted down. I'll nap over it and see what i can muster |
| 09:43.04 | tharkun | shutdown -h 0;exit |
| 09:45.23 | nsadmin | Hackbat, there is #windows here |
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| 09:46.43 | Hackbat | Really? Wouldn't of thought, seeing as freenode has a channel for everything |
| 09:47.24 | Hackbat | alright I found a decent explanation of what it would entail to actually do it |
| 09:47.30 | Hackbat | Seems doable I guess |
| 09:47.48 | mmv | i thought the reason for using proprietary junk like windows was so you could get crap help from a large corporation like microsoft |
| 09:48.05 | Hackbat | sorry about being an asshole, I've been up late |
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| 09:49.11 | nsadmin | no problem... and, I will point out that no one can deal (especially maintain responsibility for) your energy besides yourself |
| 09:49.18 | arghx | Hackbat: http://www.owlfish.com/thoughts/winipp-cups-2003-07-20.html see the windows part. this works in all windows from 2k onwards. and freenode has a ##windows channel if you need it |
| 09:49.22 | Hackbat | I'll probally find some way of making a batchfile to configure it for them if it comes down to it. |
| 09:49.42 | Hackbat | nah I've got windows |
| 09:50.05 | arghx | I suggest you install some vnc server or teamviewer for your parents. much much easier for you then |
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| 09:50.15 | arghx | downside is, they will want more support from you |
| 09:50.26 | nsadmin | some ways of doing so... take DEEP breaths, fill up your belly with air... maintain proper sleeping schedule... exercise... maintain diet |
| 09:50.59 | sauvin | Exercise your arm muscles frequently by consuming massive quantities of pizza. |
| 09:51.13 | sauvin | It has the salutary side benefit of helping maintain diet. |
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| 09:51.28 | Hackbat | thank you shitty net |
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| 09:53.10 | Hackbat | like I was saying, I've been being trained on windows since I was 5 so it's kind of a primary language |
| 09:54.31 | Hackbat | Linux is my favorite one though, I'd use linux as my main os if it wasn't for the lack of support with video games. |
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| 09:55.12 | unixjazz | Hackbat, http://transgaming.com/ |
| 09:55.17 | Twigg | Tux racer don't need windows :-p |
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| 09:56.12 | Hackbat | I'm talking about the FUN games people :P |
| 09:56.36 | nsadmin | fun is relative... some people have fun by going out and meeting people |
| 09:56.54 | Hackbat | Some people don't have that option sadly... |
| 09:58.09 | unixjazz | Hackbat, this is fun: http://gametreelinux.com/cedega-technology |
| 09:58.34 | Twigg | unixjazz: I love your nick :D |
| 09:59.22 | Hackbat | Doesn't really help if Devs don't use them |
| 09:59.34 | skilz | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:59.52 | Hackbat | sorry got distracted |
| 09:59.57 | unixjazz | Twigg, it is not just Ian who lives in our hearts, Ken and Dennis too :-) |
| 10:00.15 | Hackbat | Okay so this IPP stuff works with just plain cups? |
| 10:00.23 | Twigg | Dennis? chambers? lol |
| 10:00.28 | Hackbat | no extra stuff needed? |
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| 10:01.04 | unixjazz | Twigg: Ritchie |
| 10:01.22 | Twigg | ok, I dont know??? :O |
| 10:01.23 | arghx | Hackbat: CUPS is a IPP server |
| 10:01.45 | arghx | Hackbat: but you need to make it listen on more than localhost |
| 10:02.10 | Hackbat | alright, that's just a line in cups.conf right? |
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| 10:03.42 | Hackbat | *cupsd.conf |
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| 10:16.08 | Hackbat | I'll be damned |
| 10:16.15 | Hackbat | worked liek a charm |
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| 10:20.24 | Hackbat | nsadmin, arghx, and valdyn Thanks for the advice |
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| 10:21.04 | untrusted | can't login with current wheezy anymore: x-session-manager[6329]: GLib-GIO-ERROR: Settings schema 'org.gnome.SessionManager' is not installed - any hints? |
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| 10:21.42 | n_np | untrusted log in with console |
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| 10:21.50 | mkad | Hi |
| 10:21.50 | n_np | then type something like aptitude search gnome |
| 10:21.54 | n_np | and install gone again |
| 10:21.59 | n_np | or install kde for kdm |
| 10:22.03 | mkad | how to get libgl1-mesa-dri 7.10.3 for amd64 ? |
| 10:22.06 | mkad | Is there any snapshot ? |
| 10:22.20 | mkad | I think it was accepted to unstable at 2011-06-23 |
| 10:22.29 | mkad | but I cant find those packages on the internet |
| 10:22.33 | untrusted | n_np: aptitude reinstall gnome ? |
| 10:23.02 | n_np | im not sure what the gnome's package name is |
| 10:23.09 | n_np | but if you type like aptitude install gnome |
| 10:23.11 | n_np | if its 'gnome' |
| 10:23.14 | n_np | it will install it |
| 10:23.23 | n_np | i suspect you removed it somehow |
| 10:23.38 | untrusted | n_np: no is installed |
| 10:23.45 | untrusted | n_np: reinstall didn't help |
| 10:24.17 | untrusted | n_np: problem occured after a seemingly unrelated update |
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| 10:24.36 | n_np | if it was me that was happening too i would just stop using gnome |
| 10:24.43 | n_np | i've found it to be unpowerfull and to cause trouble |
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| 10:24.49 | n_np | but thats not an official |
| 10:24.55 | n_np | #debian solution to the problem |
| 10:25.32 | untrusted | n_np: i thought about that after the 3.x update and i first could not find how to use my own wm |
| 10:25.54 | untrusted | n_np: but somehow got it working and don't have the time to find a replacement for the panel |
| 10:26.09 | n_np | well if you need a decent wm just install kde |
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| 10:26.16 | n_np | if you're okay with the smaller ones use xfce or something |
| 10:26.24 | n_np | to get it running you just choose it under 'session' |
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| 10:26.35 | untrusted | n_np: hah! after "aptitude reinstall gnome-session gnome-session-bin gnome-session-common gnome-session-fallback gdm3" - i can login again |
| 10:26.58 | untrusted | n_np: will stay with sawfish |
| 10:27.26 | n_np | aaah i told you to reinstall it |
| 10:27.34 | n_np | i thought you said you did and it didnt work |
| 10:27.56 | untrusted | n_np: first i only did aptitude reinstall gnome |
| 10:28.02 | n_np | ohhhh |
| 10:28.25 | untrusted | n_np: thanks for your thoughts anyway! |
| 10:28.32 | n_np | its a pleasure |
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| 10:30.24 | mkad | How to find install packages from 2011-06-23 ? Specificaly its libgl1-mesa-dri 7.10.3 for amd64 ? |
| 10:30.26 | mkad | Please help |
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| 10:30.51 | valdyn | judd: versions libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 10:30.52 | judd | Package: libgl1-mesa-dri on i386 -- lenny: 7.0.3-7; squeeze: 7.7.1-5; squeeze-backports: 7.10.3-4~bpo60+1; sid: 7.11-6; wheezy: 7.11-6 |
| 10:30.59 | valdyn | !ado |
| 10:31.02 | valdyn | !adn |
| 10:31.06 | valdyn | !debian archive |
| 10:31.11 | valdyn | gah |
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| 10:31.15 | dpkg | Debian has archives of no-longer-supported releases at http://archive.debian.org/ . To use with <APT>, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For old versions of specific packages, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
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| 10:31.31 | valdyn | !sdn |
| 10:31.31 | mkad | valdyn, thanks |
| 10:31.36 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 10:32.02 | valdyn | sorry for that spam. |
| 10:32.10 | guardian1 | hi |
| 10:32.30 | mkad | valdyn, Oh found it ! :) |
| 10:32.31 | mkad | thanks |
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| 10:38.59 | Nagilum_ | How do I generate these linux-headers-*-generic*_all.deb packages when building from vanilla sources? I tried "make-kpkg buildpackage" that generated six packages but only one headers package: linux-headers-*_amd64.deb, not what I'm looking for. :/ |
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| 10:39.47 | valdyn | Nagilum_: make-kpkg is used for generating your own kernel, not to replicate debians kernel packages |
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| 10:40.08 | Nagilum_ | valdyn: so? |
| 10:40.21 | valdyn | Nagilum_: so it does something else than building from debian sources |
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| 10:41.33 | Nagilum_ | valdyn: like I said, I'm building vanilla kernel |
| 10:41.35 | valdyn | Nagilum_: "apt-get -b source linux-image-foo" is similar but not equivalent to whatever make-kpkg command |
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| 10:42.50 | Nagilum_ | valdyn: but I need the headers all package in order to build modules |
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| 10:43.08 | valdyn | Nagilum_: why do you think you need those *generic* packages? |
| 10:43.36 | Nagilum_ | bad block lists für md |
| 10:43.48 | valdyn | Nagilum_: thats not a reason |
| 10:43.56 | valdyn | Nagilum_: you dont need *generic* packages |
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| 10:45.45 | Nagilum_ | valdyn: can you also somehow substantiate your opinions? |
| 10:46.04 | valdyn | Nagilum_: what do you need? |
| 10:46.20 | arghx | Nagilum_: make-kpkg --targets and you will see how to build a header package |
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| 10:46.31 | arghx | and the rest of it too |
| 10:46.53 | Nagilum_ | arghx: done that, read above.. |
| 10:47.15 | valdyn | Nagilum_: you can trust make-kpkg to build all packages needed by 3rd packages |
| 10:47.34 | Nagilum_ | valdyn: I need a current kernel with all headers installed so that I can build modules for it |
| 10:47.38 | valdyn | Nagilum_: theres no need to have a consistent system of those packages nothing outside kernels depends on |
| 10:47.50 | arghx | Nagilum_: there is no "generic" and make-kpkg never makes that. are you running ubuntu? |
| 10:48.31 | arghx | make-kpkg only makes headers for the actual kernels it compiles, nothing else |
| 10:48.51 | arghx | and debian only has headers for the actual kernel packages it distributes, no "generic" ones either |
| 10:48.52 | Nagilum_ | arghx: I used Ubuntu kernel header packages to test whether it's my kernel header packages fault or something wrong with the source of the module |
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| 10:49.16 | arghx | Nagilum_: we don't support ubuntu. ask about their generic kernels in their channel |
| 10:49.37 | valdyn | Nagilum_: i have a hard time explaining this, that much is certain, however, nothing in debian that is built by debians make-kpkg depends on the *generic* stuff, so you cant possibly need it |
| 10:49.40 | Nagilum_ | arghx: I could compile the module using the headers from the *_all header package but not with the _amd64 haders package |
| 10:49.57 | arghx | !tell Nagilum_ about errors |
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| 10:50.33 | valdyn | Nagilum_: modules depend on "linux-headers-$(uname -r)" only |
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| 10:52.09 | Nagilum_ | arghx: http://pastebin.com/rQkfKnve |
| 10:53.25 | valdyn | Nagilum_: the thing you are trying to build is looking into /home/kuehna/t/rr232x/rr232x-linux-src-v1.10.new. How is that an issue with debian packaging? |
| 10:53.43 | Nagilum_ | the issue is with the includes |
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| 10:54.29 | valdyn | Nagilum_: does that file exist? |
| 10:54.37 | arghx | the issue seems to be that this driver is a very old one, for an old kernel version |
| 10:54.38 | valdyn | include/linux/types.h |
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| 10:54.53 | arghx | valdyn: that does exist of course. asm/types.h doesn't |
| 10:54.59 | valdyn | arghx: yea |
| 10:55.03 | Nagilum_ | arghx: exactly |
| 10:55.30 | arghx | Nagilum_: it's pretty much a driver source code issue. known dodgy hardware too |
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| 10:55.55 | Nagilum_ | arghx: like I said before, it compiles just fine with the Ubuntu headers-generic package |
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| 10:58.27 | valdyn | Nagilum_: on the same kernel version? |
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| 10:58.48 | Nagilum_ | arghx: on the same system (running 2.6.39.4) |
| 10:59.01 | valdyn | Nagilum_: so a different kernel version |
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| 10:59.38 | Nagilum_ | arghx: I only installed the kerner-headers package from Ubuntu (on this squeeze system) and compiled against it |
| 10:59.47 | Nagilum_ | s/ner/nel/ |
| 10:59.55 | valdyn | Nagilum_: that file exists in older kernel versions, not in 3.1.* |
| 11:00.18 | Nagilum_ | valdyn: I tested 3.0 and 3.1, same results |
| 11:00.49 | Nagilum_ | valdyn: but maybe Ubuntu put it back in, who knows.. |
| 11:01.21 | arghx | valdyn: can't find it except in some *common* headeras for some reason. tho I remember asm/types.h |
| 11:01.26 | Nagilum_ | valdyn: anyhow, the build on squeeze only broke after going from 2.6.39 to 3.0 |
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| 11:01.51 | valdyn | arghx: i cant find it at all now |
| 11:03.19 | valdyn | Nagilum_: ok, i found it, but thats not really useful still |
| 11:03.39 | arghx | valdyn: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=asm%2Ftypes.h&mode=exactfilename&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 11:04.26 | valdyn | Nagilum_: i would suggest you look it up on ubuntu and create a symlink if that makes sense after looking at ubuntu sources |
| 11:05.20 | arghx | valdyn: http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-headers-3.1.0-1-common has it btw |
| 11:05.24 | valdyn | Nagilum_: i see it at linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common/arch/x86/include/asm |
| 11:05.31 | valdyn | arghx: yea |
| 11:07.07 | valdyn | Nagilum_: while the first types.h is in a different subtree linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common/include/linux |
| 11:08.01 | Nagilum_ | hmm, maybe I'll try the 3.1 kernel from sid then |
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| 11:11.45 | Nagilum_ | no, that's even worse, that doesn't even have /usr/src/linux-headers-3.1.0-1-common/include/linux/version.h |
| 11:12.02 | arghx | !tell skilz about ircroot |
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| 11:15.41 | Silent | Hello. |
| 11:16.01 | Silent | I was wondering, is there a Debian-based distro that works like Slax or Puppy? |
| 11:16.11 | Silent | That is, ran off RAM? |
| 11:16.30 | Nagilum_ | Knoppix |
| 11:16.45 | Silent | Let me check that out, thanks |
| 11:17.26 | arghx | !tell Silent about live |
| 11:17.34 | arghx | debian has its own live cd now |
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| 11:17.48 | Silent | I know, but it's not what I'mlooking for |
| 11:18.03 | Silent | I'm looking for a fast and light distro to run on my netbook |
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| 11:25.03 | mah454 | How can mandatory this ? http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-448614.html |
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| 11:27.04 | coolguy4 | what does it mean when a package is flagged with 'pi' |
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| 11:28.15 | marcello^ | hello |
| 11:28.20 | coolguy4 | hi |
| 11:28.43 | marcello^ | what is the best practice ceoncerning git repo and source packages ? |
| 11:28.52 | marcello^ | ( alioth for FWIW ) |
| 11:29.09 | marcello^ | one git repo for each source pacakge ? |
| 11:29.35 | marcello^ | the upstream I am tracking split in tow diferent projects, producing different binaries |
| 11:31.18 | coolguy4 | how can I see what packages are dependencies of a package? Ie what are the packages that depend on a package? |
| 11:31.47 | marcello^ | coolguy4: apt-cache depends|rdepends ? |
| 11:32.02 | Nagilum_ | coolguy4: dpkg -I foo.deb |
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| 11:40.19 | coolguy4 | I want to build something that requires lidtk2.0-dev . When I try to install it, I get the following unmet dependencies lines: |
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| 11:40.24 | coolguy4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:40.28 | coolguy4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:40.37 | coolguy4 | I'm wondering how I should go about fixing that |
| 11:40.56 | arghx | ,versions lidtk2.0-dev |
| 11:40.58 | judd | No package named 'lidtk2.0-dev' was found in i386. |
| 11:41.14 | coolguy4 | sorry, typo, I mean libgtk2.0-dev |
| 11:41.44 | arghx | ,version libgtk2.0-dev |
| 11:41.45 | judd | Package: libgtk2.0-dev on i386 -- lenny: 2.12.12-1~lenny2; lenny-backports: 2.18.6-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.20.1-2; wheezy: 2.24.7-1; sid: 2.24.8-2 |
| 11:42.42 | arghx | as you can see it's available in all debian branches and you have libgtk2.0 installed for gnome and such |
| 11:42.57 | coolguy4 | yes |
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| 11:43.36 | arghx | what program do you want to compile and which version? |
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| 11:45.55 | coolguy4 | dolphin-emu , the latest from the git repository |
| 11:48.49 | coolguy4 | here are ways that I am thinking of fixing this, using the knowledge that I have. 1. chroot. 2. create symlinks which point the libgtk2.0-dev depencies to the newer files that I have. |
| 11:49.17 | coolguy4 | the second way would seem to be simpler |
| 11:49.54 | coolguy4 | but I am also wondering why do I have these libraries that are not compatible with libgtk2.0-dev ... I am wondering how they got on my system. |
| 11:51.08 | coolguy4 | it may not be necessary to have the current incompatible libraries... so I am thinking maybe I could just replace them with the ones libgtk2.0-dev uses, but I'm not sure about what would be the safest process of doing that. |
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| 12:01.32 | coolguy4 | there are some ubuntu binaries for dolphin-emu... I am wondering if it is feasible to massage these to work with Debian Squeeze? |
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| 12:12.02 | Arafangion | pours himself a nice glass of port. :) |
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| 12:16.08 | furrykef | How does aptitude determine which repository to grab a package from? |
| 12:16.28 | Arafangion | furrykef: It's told in the sources.list |
| 12:16.34 | Arafangion | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:17.10 | furrykef | Yes, but what if a package named, say, nginx exists in three different repositories listed there? How does it choose which one? |
| 12:17.35 | furrykef | Does it do something like pick the one with the highest version number, and if there's more than one with the same number, it chooses based on which one comes first in sources.list? |
| 12:17.39 | Arafangion | furrykef: It picks the "best" most-up-to-date version. |
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| 12:17.56 | Arafangion | furrykef: The question is - why are you in a situation where this matters? |
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| 12:19.40 | furrykef | Well, I dunno if it matters per se, but I want to understand how it works |
| 12:20.15 | Arafangion | furrykef: Then read the source. :) |
| 12:20.35 | wages | read the man pages |
| 12:20.54 | furrykef | wages - I've been looking at man pages. I'm a bit fuzzy on where to look for this particular information |
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| 12:21.57 | n_np | furrykef i think that its some text file that has a list of repos and it selects a default |
| 12:22.35 | wages | if it is a dep, the version is explicitly defined |
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| 12:23.04 | Arafangion | Yes, but furrykef want to know what happens if that dep exists in multiple repos - and they're both specified in that file. |
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| 12:25.47 | wages | for packages that you don't feed it a version number it should pick the highest version number. you can test this by adding your machine to your sources.list and incrementing the package by .1 then test the position in your sources.list |
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| 12:25.56 | danboid | Does anyone know what configure options the Deb wine packages use? If not, they should be within http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/wine-unstable_1.3.33-0.1.debian.tar.bz2 right? |
| 12:26.07 | wages | put your machine first in the list then move it to last |
| 12:26.17 | Arafangion | wages: You're just repeating things... What if they have the same version number - THAT is what furrykef is asking. |
| 12:26.30 | wages | ah, my apologies |
| 12:26.53 | Arafangion | Also, it doesn't neccessarily pick the highest version number, doesn't it? |
| 12:26.55 | coolguy4 | Ok. I realised I could do sudo aptitude install libcairo2=1.8.10-6 libpixman-1-0=0.16.4-1 . This told me that it would remove the following dependencies: 1) iceweasel 2) xulrunner-2.0 ... Ok so now I know. The newer libraries were installed when I installed iceweasel 4.0 from http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 12:27.08 | Arafangion | It picks the highest version number that satisfies the dependencies, if any? |
| 12:27.35 | danboid | Hehe! Thats funny! The maintainer had updated his packages as I came on irc to ask that question so no need to build wine myself now! :) |
| 12:28.14 | danboid | spotted that when I posted the link and it was the current version number just then |
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| 12:31.25 | wages | furrykef - i would try adding a small test package to your machine's ftp and test the sequence in sources.list. make sure to do apt-get update. my hypothesis is that it will pull from first in the sources.list |
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| 12:32.44 | coolguy4 | hmmm... maybe I should install the latest version of libgtk2.0-dev from squeeze-backports... |
| 12:32.45 | arghx | Arafangion: it does. unless you are pinning |
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| 12:33.25 | Arafangion | arghx: Even if the package you're installing specifies that it must have a version less than what is current? |
| 12:33.36 | Arafangion | Or can't they do that? |
| 12:33.52 | arghx | ok, dependency resolution will get this other package if available yes |
| 12:34.12 | arghx | coolguy4: where is your normal libgtk2.0 from ? |
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| 12:34.23 | Arafangion | arghx: I've gotta think less like a programmer. :) |
| 12:34.23 | arghx | coolguy4: same place you get the -dev package |
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| 12:34.39 | coolguy4 | arghx: yes |
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| 12:36.34 | coolguy4 | actually, how can I check that? |
| 12:37.28 | coolguy4 | ok, i have libgtk2.0-0 2.20.1-2 and that's the version from squeeze |
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| 12:40.01 | coolguy4 | I'm quite confused... i think i will have to try to sort this out another night |
| 12:40.47 | rly | If I start emacs --deamon in my crontab (as suggested by themill) and then do emacsclient -c , I get *ERROR*: Display :0.0 can't be opened. How can I have emacs started before I login, yet also have Emacs in graphical mode working? If I use xhost +, it does work. |
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| 12:48.43 | arghx | !xauth |
| 12:48.45 | dpkg | xauth is, like, the mechanism for sharing around authorisation for clients to connect to your X server. Ask me about <mit-magic-cookie> for more information. The xauth program was in the xbase-clients package (sarge and etch), now in the xauth package from lenny onwards. See also http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xauth.html or ask me about <sshx>. |
| 12:49.13 | arghx | rly: your emacs --daemon and your later X server need to run under the same user |
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| 12:51.28 | rly | arghx: crontab -e things run as $USER, AFAIK. |
| 12:51.56 | rly | arghx: I found a solution involving ssh, which seems to work. |
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| 12:57.47 | julius__ | hi |
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| 12:58.31 | julius__ | any idea why these commands do not create a bootable image (i want to modify the default install to work for headless)? http://codepad.org/mSbVSqRZ |
| 12:59.13 | julius__ | the instructions were made for debian 5.0.3 the original page is here: http://www.sgvulcan.com/installing-debian-using-only-ssh/ |
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| 12:59.27 | ompaul | and you want to use them with? |
| 12:59.57 | julius__ | debian 6.0.3 |
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| 13:01.46 | arghx | !custom cd |
| 13:01.46 | dpkg | To create customized Debian <netinst> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD . See also <blend>, <kmuto>. |
| 13:01.55 | arghx | !ssh install |
| 13:01.55 | dpkg | from memory, ssh install is http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03#network-console (obsolete article at http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html). See also <hd-media>, <debootstrap>. |
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| 13:03.01 | indicator | Hi, am I supposed to have dpkg-reconfigure somewhere? |
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| 13:03.07 | indicator | Because it's not here :-( |
| 13:03.23 | mjt | # type dpkg-reconfigure |
| 13:03.23 | mjt | dpkg-reconfigure is /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure |
| 13:03.39 | mjt | # dpkg -S dpkg-reconfigure |
| 13:03.39 | mjt | debconf: /usr/share/man/man8/dpkg-reconfigure.8.gz |
| 13:03.39 | mjt | debconf: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 13:03.41 | nsadmin | indicator, where's here? |
| 13:03.43 | ompaul | indicator: that question leads to think you have a bigger backstory you might want to share it (version, what you were doing, why you think that) |
| 13:03.46 | arghx | indicator: only really accsible as root |
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| 13:04.09 | coolguy4 | maybe if I rephrase this: I'm using Debian Squeeze. iceweasel-release installed xulrunner-8.0, which depends on libcairo2 (>=1.10.2-2~) . But I want to install libgtk2.0-dev and that depends on libcairo2-dev which depends on libcairo2 (=1.8.10-6) ... so I'm wondering what's the most sane way to resolve this? |
| 13:04.24 | ompaul | indicator: and http://paste.debian.net is great for pasting |
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| 13:04.30 | indicator | arghx, ah! That's it!... Thank you :-D |
| 13:04.40 | arghx | coolguy4: iceweasel from mozilla.debian.net? |
| 13:04.42 | julius__ | arghx, i would like to try a headless system |
| 13:04.42 | indicator | ompaul, no... Thank you though |
| 13:04.48 | coolguy4 | arghx: yes |
| 13:05.04 | arghx | julius__: I just showed you how to do it. better than using some old lenny howto for squeeze |
| 13:05.32 | arghx | coolguy4: chroot |
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| 13:05.38 | julius__ | arghx, the second howto aims at something different |
| 13:05.57 | arghx | julius__: no it doesn't. it lets you install debian over the network |
| 13:06.10 | julius__ | im talking about a headless system |
| 13:06.17 | coolguy4 | arghx: cool, so I setup a chroot for the iceweasel backport? |
| 13:06.26 | julius__ | that howto needs some work on the system in question before you can access it via the network |
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| 13:07.30 | arghx | julius__: you can also run a live cd and use that to install via debootstrap |
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| 13:07.59 | arghx | julius__: or you can pxe boot. or thousand other ways. like simply installing debian on that harddisk in a different system and then putting it back into the headless one |
| 13:08.14 | arghx | coolguy4: no. set up a chroot for your package compile |
| 13:08.42 | coolguy4 | arghx: Ok, and once it compiles I should be able to use it outside the chroot? |
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| 13:09.13 | arghx | coolguy4: yes, at the end you have a .deb and that you can then install via dpkg -i |
| 13:09.42 | coolguy4 | arghx: Ah, very good. Thank you for explaining that. I get confused thinking about what the most sensible option is. |
| 13:09.43 | arghx | coolguy4: tho, it would be probably easier to use a debian VM via virtualbox. that is if you have 1GB RAM or more |
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| 13:10.09 | coolguy4 | arghx: Yeah, that's a good idea. I do have enough RAM, so that is probably the best option. |
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| 13:21.35 | SasanRose | i'm trying to load pciback module, i added pciback to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules then ran update-initramfs -u and rebooted |
| 13:21.38 | SasanRose | but still no luck |
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| 13:21.40 | SasanRose | any idea? |
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| 13:22.37 | rjerin | after hibernating and rebooting, fully encrypted hard disk on debian squeeze is not accepting the password.anyway to fix that? |
| 13:22.56 | julius__ | the modified netboot iso starts with qemu but when i copy it to a usb stick like this: cp test.iso /dev/sdc it doesnt boot. copying the default netinstall image this way works, it boots. any ideas? |
| 13:23.21 | ompaul | julius__: cat test.iso > /dev/sdc |
| 13:23.27 | ompaul | will overwrite your stick but hey |
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| 13:24.58 | mah454 | view this topology : Internet -------- Mikrotik -------- Squid(Tproxy) ---------- Microtik ------- Client(s) |
| 13:25.12 | mah454 | Squid(Tproxy) can use invalid IP address ? |
| 13:25.23 | arghx | define "invalid" |
| 13:25.32 | arghx | invalid is 256.438.432.243 |
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| 13:26.46 | mah454 | arghx, cool ! Invalid = non internet ip address or internal ip address (example : 192.168.0.0\24) |
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| 13:27.56 | drac_h | yes, you just use routing |
| 13:28.05 | drac_h | tcp/ip basics |
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| 13:28.11 | dark-sun | hi people |
| 13:29.09 | julius__ | how can i get a permission denied with "sudo cat test.iso >/dev/sdc" ? |
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| 13:29.44 | dark-sun | julius__: i got it too |
| 13:29.52 | arghx | julius__: cause everything after > is interpreted by your current shell which doesn't have root priviledge |
| 13:29.57 | mah454 | drac_h, hello , thank you for answer . squid use two ethernet card . can use invalid ip address in ethernet cards ? (for config Tproxy Server) |
| 13:30.01 | ompaul | julius__: su - |
| 13:30.14 | julius__ | ah |
| 13:30.32 | julius__ | i know about su - |
| 13:30.57 | ompaul | if you're going to be root, be root |
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| 13:32.29 | dark-sun | thinks to be or not to be, that's the question... |
| 13:33.37 | dark-sun | hey guys, I'm trying to get ctrl+alt+backspace enable on gnome2.3 (deb 6.stable) |
| 13:34.00 | dark-sun | any idea? I've tried adding dontzap "false" |
| 13:34.33 | dark-sun | and I added "setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" on bash.bashrc |
| 13:34.51 | dark-sun | it does not work, until I open a xterm |
| 13:35.19 | dark-sun | what do u think? |
| 13:35.24 | ompaul | thus proving that bashrc is a file for the config of bash programming |
| 13:35.29 | arghx | yes cause why would it be run unless bash runs? |
| 13:35.43 | arghx | bash doesn't run when you start your PC and run gdm on bootup |
| 13:36.59 | dark-sun | so I should add it to X startup file, but where is it? |
| 13:37.52 | loot | dark-sun: add it do /etc/default/keyboard in the XKBOPTIONS variable |
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| 13:38.12 | loot | to* |
| 13:38.15 | loot | damn ;) |
| 13:38.31 | dark-sun | hum... let me see... |
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| 13:39.04 | dark-sun | loot: looks like it's there |
| 13:39.05 | dark-sun | XKBOPTIONS="lv3:ralt_switch,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" |
| 13:40.57 | loot | hrm :( |
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| 13:49.10 | julius__ | still the manually created image is only bootable with qemu, not from my usb stick....any ideas? http://pastebin.com/S111jySr |
| 13:49.22 | julius__ | the paste contains the commands that were used to create the image |
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| 13:49.40 | arghx | !hybrid image |
| 13:49.41 | dpkg | The Debian 6.0/Squeeze installation images for x86 systems - e.g. <netinst>, <businesscard>, <CD1>, DVD1 - are hybrid images. These can be written directly to CD or HD Media (e.g. USB thumbdrive) without further preparation. See http://www.debian.org/News/project/2010/14/#hybrid for details. See also <install debian>, <usb install>. |
| 13:50.09 | arghx | with non hybrid images you might need crap software like unetbootin and similar |
| 13:50.46 | julius__ | i believe i followed those instructions |
| 13:51.10 | julius__ | and the default netboot image boots.....yet why doesnt a unpacked/repacked not? |
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| 13:54.31 | arghx | julius__: have you made a hybrid image? have you tested it? |
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| 13:55.48 | julius__ | i was assuming that mksiofs will create such a hybrid |
| 13:56.06 | julius__ | the test was "qemu -cdrom test.iso" |
| 13:56.11 | arghx | mkisofs creates a ISO9660 filesystem |
| 13:56.22 | julius__ | right, let me reread the link |
| 13:56.39 | arghx | julius__: for lenny there were no hybrid images |
| 13:56.52 | arghx | how are you putting your image onto the usb stick? |
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| 13:59.03 | Franzux | Hi |
| 13:59.22 | arghx | good afternoon |
| 13:59.32 | julius__ | arghx, i guess the wiki is only for modyfing cd images and not creating hybrids |
| 13:59.43 | julius__ | arghx, as root: cat test.iso >/dev/sdc |
| 14:00.01 | arghx | then you must have a hybrid image. which yours aren't. use unetbootin or software like that |
| 14:00.42 | nielsle_ | I am looking for a free implementation of flash that doesn't crash very often. I don't care if it cannot show a lot of webpages as long as it doesn't crash. What should I use? |
| 14:01.38 | ompaul | nielsle_: gnash |
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| 14:02.18 | nielsle_ | ompaul: I was hoping for something more stable, but thanks for the advice. |
| 14:02.33 | ompaul | nielsle_: and it is a plugin and crashing is what web pages do to it when it can't render |
| 14:02.42 | abrotman | really only flash, gnash and swfdec |
| 14:03.11 | arghx | nielsle_: there are three different flash implementatins I know of: flash, gnash and swfdec |
| 14:03.27 | arghx | and if it crashes or if it simply doesn't work is no difference |
| 14:03.30 | abrotman | oh .. there's .. spark or something also ? |
| 14:03.32 | julius__ | arghx, what software was used to create a hybrid image for debian? |
| 14:03.35 | nielsle_ | I was hoping for a plugin that didn't cause the browser to crash. |
| 14:03.42 | arghx | julius__: I don't know |
| 14:03.52 | nielsle_ | epiphany and chromium |
| 14:03.53 | abrotman | judd: info lightspark --release unstable |
| 14:03.56 | judd | Package lightspark (utils, optional) in sid/i386: High-performance SWF player (experimental). Version: 0.5.2.1-1; Size: 108.6k; Installed: 793k; Homepage: http://lightspark.sf.net |
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| 14:04.18 | nielsle_ | Thanks for the advice I will try them out. |
| 14:05.06 | arghx | julius__: http://wiki.geteasypeasy.com/Hybrid_ISO/IMG_format#How_the_Hybrid_ISO.2FIMG_works |
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| 14:07.59 | julius__ | thx, but they dont offer any tools :( |
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| 14:08.06 | julius__ | will try unetbootin |
| 14:08.13 | arghx | no they don't but tell you what you can do manually |
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| 14:15.10 | nsadmin | you already have plenty of tool in the unix shell |
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| 14:23.31 | simonlnu | for sure |
| 14:23.53 | julius__ | arghx, thx for the hint. the image boots with unetbootin |
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| 14:51.39 | walle | when I install debian netinst.iso, is xorg open source driver complete install? |
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| 14:52.13 | walle | I mean how to install xorg driver or How can I test weather I have install it |
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| 14:52.50 | arghx | it's complete except for possibly needed firmware |
| 14:52.59 | walle | any one can help ? |
| 14:53.03 | arghx | e.g. the radeon driver often needs some non-free firmware |
| 14:53.41 | arghx | if you install xorg, all it comes with all the free drivers normally. some very old ones and some proprietary ones (nvidia and fglrx) mainly don't come |
| 14:53.45 | walle | arghx: I use HD 6750 |
| 14:53.52 | arghx | and which debian? |
| 14:53.52 | kraftwer1 | My machine says wheezy/sid. Is it now testing or unstable? I've always thought that sid means unstable. |
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| 14:54.08 | arghx | kraftwer1: it's almost always impossible to tell. check your sources.list |
| 14:54.18 | arghx | kraftwer1: it's always named like this |
| 14:54.21 | arghx | ,versions libc6 |
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| 14:54.22 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; sid: 2.13-21; wheezy: 2.13-21 |
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| 14:54.50 | arghx | kraftwer1: see how libc6, the most important lib in your system is the same in wheezy and sid? that's the usual case and that's why it says wheezy/sid |
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| 14:54.54 | walle | arghx: I have install 'xorg-core' 'firmware free & non-free' |
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| 14:55.18 | arghx | walle: please answer my question |
| 14:55.41 | Feanor88 | hi could someone hash lsmod for me? |
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| 14:55.51 | arghx | Feanor88: more info needed |
| 14:55.52 | walle | arghx: testing |
| 14:56.01 | arghx | walle: then install xorg |
| 14:56.02 | SasanRose | guys, any idea, how i can install pciback module in debian lenny? modprboe and using initramfs doesn't work |
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| 14:56.10 | arghx | !tell Feanor88 about debsums |
| 14:56.11 | walle | arghx: I want to install debian official open driver |
| 14:56.23 | arghx | walle: then install xorg. apt-get install xorg |
| 14:56.34 | arghx | !tell SasanRose about doesn't work |
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| 14:57.11 | walle | arghx: i have install xorg-core package. is it install auto all right driver for me? |
| 14:57.45 | arghx | ,versions xorg-core |
| 14:57.47 | Feanor88 | i need to check if the file is real or compromised |
| 14:57.47 | judd | No package named 'xorg-core' was found in i386. |
| 14:57.59 | arghx | walle: if you installed that you didn't install debian |
| 14:58.24 | SasanRose | arghx: still can not find pciback module |
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| 14:58.43 | Feanor88 | i'll try debsums - thyx |
| 14:58.44 | arghx | Feanor88: you make no sense. and if you think only for a second you see that yourself |
| 14:58.56 | arghx | Feanor88: also I told you about debsums which does exactly what you need to do |
| 14:58.58 | walle | judd: sorry... this xserver-xorg-core |
| 14:59.34 | walle | arghx: is package |
| 14:59.37 | arghx | walle: please install xorg |
| 14:59.51 | walle | arghx: is package 'xorg' will auto install all complete? |
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| 15:00.04 | arghx | yes |
| 15:00.09 | walle | arghx: is it contain all right open source driver for me? |
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| 15:00.26 | arghx | dpkg: ping |
| 15:00.26 | walle | arghx: I want to get an answer |
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| 15:00.36 | walle | arghx: ok, thanks :-) |
| 15:00.47 | arghx | walle: and I want you to go away since I answered you time and again already |
| 15:00.48 | dpkg | Sorry arghx, you're not online. |
| 15:00.58 | jfb86 | walle: if you want a gui install from aptitude directly gnome or kde. aptitude will resolve dependencies and automatically install xorg |
| 15:01.15 | arghx | jfb86: no it won't |
| 15:01.46 | jfb86 | arghx:? sorry? not possible |
| 15:01.46 | arghx | jfb86: xorg client libs yes, xorg server not necessarily |
| 15:01.54 | arghx | jfb86: why not possible? |
| 15:02.04 | arghx | you can install gnome very easily without installing xorg |
| 15:02.08 | arghx | and run it too |
| 15:02.29 | walle | jfb86: i use apt-get |
| 15:02.37 | jfb86 | cause xorg is the infrastructure of the xserver |
| 15:02.47 | jfb86 | walle: use aptitude |
| 15:02.55 | arghx | jfb86: you do not need an x server on your debian box to run gnome at all |
| 15:03.07 | walle | arghx: ? |
| 15:03.11 | arghx | jfb86: or any other X11 enabled program. X11 can work across a network |
| 15:03.34 | walle | arghx: is gnome build on xorg? |
| 15:03.39 | jfb86 | change the /etc/apt/sources.list with adding contrib and non-free at each lines |
| 15:03.47 | walle | arghx: sorry, i don't know, may be wrong/ |
| 15:04.05 | walle | jfb86: @@||| |
| 15:04.10 | arghx | walle: gnome is a X11 client. Xorg is implementation of a server of X11 |
| 15:04.21 | walle | arghx: no xorg, how to run gnome? |
| 15:04.22 | jfb86 | arghx is right |
| 15:04.23 | arghx | jfb86: what problem do you want to solve here? |
| 15:04.40 | arghx | walle: have you installed xorg yet? |
| 15:04.52 | arghx | walle: apt-get install xorg ? |
| 15:04.54 | jfb86 | arghx: i just connected and i saw xorg... |
| 15:05.00 | walle | arghx: I know this |
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| 15:05.20 | walle | arghx: no |
| 15:05.20 | walle | arghx: i listen your talk |
| 15:05.24 | arghx | jfb86: then please don't confuse the users |
| 15:05.28 | arghx | walle: then do it |
| 15:05.32 | jfb86 | sorry guys... |
| 15:05.32 | walle | arghx: I have a question |
| 15:05.59 | walle | jfb86: np :-) |
| 15:06.05 | jfb86 | thx :) |
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| 15:06.55 | walle | arghx: I have HD 6750 video card. I have installed gnome3 and server-xorg-core, is now my driver is ok? |
| 15:07.21 | walle | arghx: weather I need to install some driver? |
| 15:07.21 | walle | arghx: first I not want to install ATI driver. |
| 15:07.34 | arghx | walle: it's not ok. and I told you several times what to install. you however ignore it and are trolling. so FUCK OFF! |
| 15:07.40 | walle | arghx: is xorg driver is open source driver? |
| 15:08.05 | auREAX | To be clear, X11 is the protocol |
| 15:08.06 | walle | arghx: ....:-( |
| 15:08.08 | jfb86 | arghx: keep cool.. it seems it begins :) |
| 15:08.09 | auREAX | Xorg is a server implementation |
| 15:08.15 | auREAX | GNOME uses a client implementation |
| 15:08.33 | walle | auREAX: yes, i know |
| 15:08.43 | mosno | i'm in ur desktop environment, deprecating your network object models |
| 15:08.51 | walle | arghx: after run 'apt-get install xorg', only 'x11-apps xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi xfonts-scalable xinit xorg xorg-docs-core' need to install |
| 15:08.55 | jfb86 | yeah..auREAX is right... walle: you should listen what they say together..to my mind... |
| 15:09.40 | jfb86 | walle: try to apt gdm and you'll see.... |
| 15:09.57 | jfb86 | you need dependencies!! |
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| 15:11.35 | walle | jfb86: after run 'apt-get install gdm', get 'E: Package 'gdm' has no installation candidate' |
| 15:11.55 | jfb86 | change your sources.list darling |
| 15:12.25 | walle | jfb86: now my system work fine with gnome3. I only want to know weather I need to install xorg |
| 15:12.41 | jfb86 | reload and try again! debian is for people who like put their hands in the heart :) |
| 15:12.43 | walle | jfb86: how can i test weather i have install the right driver |
| 15:13.15 | jfb86 | look in the gnome menu, there is a section for drivers |
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| 15:14.09 | jfb86 | system>administration> |
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| 15:14.46 | walle | jfb86: no |
| 15:14.55 | walle | jfb86: I know ubuntu have |
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| 15:15.25 | jfb86 | so install it with synaptic! if you know how it is! |
| 15:15.56 | kraftwer1 | arghx: My sources.list says wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 15:16.28 | arghx | kraftwer1: and therefore you run wheezy |
| 15:16.31 | walle | jfb86: install which? |
| 15:16.44 | kraftwer1 | arghx: So wheezy is either testing nor unstable? |
| 15:17.04 | arghx | kraftwer1: a unstable system which has been updated 4 weeks ago is less current then currently testing. |
| 15:17.08 | jfb86 | walle: synaptic.. gnome packet manager that resolves dependencies with a gui |
| 15:17.19 | arghx | no. wheezy is currently debian testing, and sid is always and will always be debian unstable |
| 15:17.20 | walle | jfb86: install the driver control tool? |
| 15:17.32 | jfb86 | walle: it should |
| 15:17.33 | kraftwer1 | arghx: But it says wheezy/sid! |
| 15:17.49 | kraftwer1 | arghx: On my login screen |
| 15:18.24 | jfb86 | walle: if you know the driver control tool package, why don't you install it? i don't understand... |
| 15:18.24 | arghx | kraftwer1: cause it makes nose sense to call it either. debian stable is a defined release which doesn't change. testing and unstable change all the time, so one cannot say |
| 15:19.00 | arghx | kraftwer1: only when wheezy becomes debian stable, then it's a fixed and stable release which can be named properly. testing and unstable are simply repositories, not releases |
| 15:19.02 | walle | jfb86: I only know ubuntu have that tool, but I don't know debian |
| 15:19.25 | arghx | jfb86: about which driver control package do you speak? |
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| 15:19.38 | abrotman | kraftwer1: that's because packages flow from unstalble to testing while they're developing the next version of Debian .. it would be silly to place that single package in some weird hold .. so they just do that and prior to release put the file with the correct name in testing |
| 15:19.52 | kraftwer1 | arghx: I thought setting sources.list to "wheezy" makes it using the testing repositories until it becomes stable. Was that wrong? |
| 15:19.53 | walle | arghx: a driver auto install tool in ubuntu |
| 15:19.56 | abrotman | kraftwer1: 'lsb_release -a' |
| 15:20.01 | jfb86 | walle: but do you know what is ubuntu? it's a debian based!!! so all deb packages can be installed if all dependencies are ok!! |
| 15:20.06 | walle | arghx: It's easy to install all need driver for freshman |
| 15:20.07 | arghx | kraftwer1: no it's not. it's correct |
| 15:20.18 | valdyn | jfb86: no, unfortunately |
| 15:20.26 | arghx | jfb86: please do not tell people this in here |
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| 15:20.38 | arghx | jfb86: you break their systems |
| 15:20.45 | walle | jfb86: I think ubuntu contain some close source package debian don't have |
| 15:20.54 | kraftwer1 | arghx: That means I'm using testing, right now? I'm just confused why it sais "Wheezy/Sid". I'm sorry if I'm too stupid to understand. |
| 15:21.03 | arghx | kraftwer1: are you german? |
| 15:21.08 | walle | jfb86: I can use the tool in ubuntu to install ATI official driver |
| 15:21.14 | kraftwer1 | arghx: Almost. I'm swiss. |
| 15:21.25 | arghx | same thing. you just got away |
| 15:21.26 | arghx | !de |
| 15:21.26 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 15:21.29 | abrotman | kraftwer1: you're using wheezy, which is currently testing |
| 15:21.31 | arghx | join that please |
| 15:21.43 | jfb86 | walle: try ubuntustudio if you don't want to search how debian is working? you'll have all of what you need for audio/video, with all drivers... |
| 15:21.53 | abrotman | jfb86: please go to #ubuntu |
| 15:21.58 | kraftwer1 | arghx: In my opinion it should be Wheezy/Testing |
| 15:22.06 | jfb86 | abrotman: i'm on |
| 15:22.08 | abrotman | kraftwer1: good, you can file a bug .. it won't change |
| 15:22.14 | abrotman | jfb86: okay .. you can leave here then |
| 15:22.14 | arghx | and your opinion is wrong |
| 15:22.34 | walle | jfb86: I use debian |
| 15:22.35 | jfb86 | no...i'm debian system based :) |
| 15:22.45 | arghx | !tell jfb86 about debian based |
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| 15:22.53 | jiohdi | kraftwer1, sid was the unstable next door neighbor in the movie toy story... debian uses it for unstable/testing |
| 15:22.57 | arghx | jfb86: please refrain from giving others bad advice in the future then |
| 15:23.02 | abrotman | walle: i would suggest you place jfb86 on 'ignore' so you can't see what he's saying .. he seems to only be confusing people |
| 15:23.06 | walle | jfb86: and now my debian system work fine without problem. but I only care weather I have install all driver. |
| 15:23.08 | jfb86 | arghx: no pb |
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| 15:23.16 | kraftwer1 | jiohdi: It uses it for "testing" too? That would solve my misunderstanding! |
| 15:23.36 | kraftwer1 | jiohdi: IÂ thought it's only unstable |
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| 15:23.39 | arghx | kraftwer1: no, jiohdi tells your incorrect information |
| 15:23.44 | arghx | jiohdi: please stop |
| 15:23.48 | kraftwer1 | Haha |
| 15:23.48 | walle | abrotman: ...e |
| 15:24.06 | jiohdi | sid = unstable |
| 15:24.25 | jiohdi | [which some people ARE testing] |
| 15:24.35 | abrotman | jiohdi: please be quiet .. you're going to confuse things |
| 15:24.46 | walle | abrotman: after install gnome3 & xserver-xorg-core, is all my driver installed right? |
| 15:24.47 | jfb86 | walle: go to the url of the manufacturer, search the sources in tar.gz, un pack and compile, then install as a module, recompile your kernel with that module, reboot with your new kernel |
| 15:25.03 | valdyn | walle: no, not by installing those packages |
| 15:25.04 | abrotman | walle: you want to install 'xorg' |
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| 15:25.05 | kraftwer1 | abrotman: What do you mean by I can report a bug? |
| 15:25.10 | abrotman | jfb86: STOP |
| 15:25.22 | kraftwer1 | abrotman: You think it's wrong that it says "sid"? |
| 15:25.25 | arghx | abrotman: I told him an hour ago to install org. several times in fact |
| 15:25.30 | abrotman | kraftwer1: it is correct .. i already told you that |
| 15:25.41 | arghx | kraftwer1: no one but you thinks that. and you are mistaken |
| 15:25.48 | walle | abrotman: ...I don't care what is xorg, I only want to know how can i install right & all driver for my computer |
| 15:25.55 | arghx | abrotman: *install xorg rather |
| 15:25.56 | walle | abrotman: open source is better |
| 15:26.00 | abrotman | walle: install the 'xorg' package |
| 15:26.18 | walle | jfb86: I know that, but I don't want to use that package |
| 15:26.34 | abrotman | walle: *ignore* jfb86 .. do not talk to him .. he is not helping you |
| 15:27.04 | walle | abrotman: after run 'apt-get install xorg', only this 'x11-apps xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi xfonts-scalable xinit xorg xorg-docs-core' need to install |
| 15:27.09 | jfb86 | abrotman: thx :) |
| 15:27.11 | abrotman | walle: that's fine |
| 15:27.15 | abrotman | walle: so install it |
| 15:27.42 | walle | abrotman: Know I need to input yes/no. input which? |
| 15:27.51 | dioz_ | [deafult]: |
| 15:28.00 | abrotman | walle: YES |
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| 15:28.38 | abrotman | yay idoru ! |
| 15:28.42 | walle | abrotman: ok. now how can i check weather i have install right & all driver for my computer? |
| 15:29.07 | valdyn | walle: most people just want their system to work, why dont you try if it works? |
| 15:29.14 | abrotman | walle: which video card do you have? 'lspci -nn | grep VGA' |
| 15:29.24 | jfb86 | valdyn : :) |
| 15:29.25 | walle | arghx: sorry... I can not understand you language.... :-( |
| 15:29.40 | ompaul | !zh |
| 15:29.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, zh is Ruguo nin xihuan dedao zhongwen de banzu, qin yi bu ben fuwu qi sang de #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) pindao, jiaru fangfa wei zai surukuan zhong suru "/server irc.oftc.net" he "/join #debian-zh" (bu yao jia yin hao), xiexie nin de hezuo! |
| 15:29.45 | arghx | abrotman:radeon 6750 and he runs testing |
| 15:29.50 | abrotman | ompaul: he's hte only one there .. nice try |
| 15:29.50 | walle | abrotman: AMD HD 6750 |
| 15:29.53 | kraftwer1 | abrotman, arghx:Â Thanks for your help and your patience. 'lsb_release -a' says 'testing'. Good. My login shell sais "sid". You say that's right. You also say, sid == unstable. And you said, it's related to libc6. Is that right? |
| 15:29.53 | ompaul | ah |
| 15:29.59 | ompaul | head desks |
| 15:30.13 | walle | abrotman: I think now my computer work fine, i only want to check it... |
| 15:30.18 | abrotman | walle: so try it |
| 15:30.32 | valdyn | walle: if it works fine then there's nothing to check beyond that |
| 15:30.36 | arghx | kraftwer1: no it's related to the fact that after 2 weeks a new package from unstable migrates semi automatically to testing unless testing is frozen |
| 15:30.45 | abrotman | kraftwer1: your system is correct .. please trust us .. |
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| 15:30.53 | walle | abrotman: I get this '01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Juniper LE [AMD Radeon HD 6700 Series] [1002:68bf]' |
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| 15:31.15 | arghx | kraftwer1: which is why most/many package from sid are exactly the same as in testing |
| 15:31.22 | abrotman | walle: so try to use X .. see if it works |
| 15:31.54 | jfb86 | abrotman is beeing to understand... :) |
| 15:32.04 | abrotman | jfb86: i thought you were going to be quiet? |
| 15:32.25 | jfb86 | ohh...that's ok man... |
| 15:32.26 | valdyn | I do wonder if walle has an actual problem to solve |
| 15:32.31 | Blackvel | anyone of you ever corrupted a debian system with ipkg -i .deb installations? kinda safe, isn't it? (it only occured once to me when building software from source and compiling/installing libraries) |
| 15:32.43 | kraftwer1 | abrotman: Ah, so "sid" means my system is in that semi-automatic process? |
| 15:32.55 | jfb86 | i agree with valdyn |
| 15:32.57 | walle | abrotman: how to? |
| 15:33.01 | valdyn | Blackvel: its as safe as the package you install is |
| 15:33.06 | ompaul | Blackvel: get the wrong thing badly written and game over. |
| 15:33.09 | walle | abrotman: I can not understan this |
| 15:33.15 | valdyn | Blackvel: by definition a package can do or break anything |
| 15:33.17 | abrotman | walle: what is your window manageR? gnome? |
| 15:33.27 | walle | abrotman: how to try X ? what's mean? |
| 15:33.29 | abrotman | walle: what is your window manageR? gnome? |
| 15:33.41 | jfb86 | walle: the command is startx |
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| 15:34.12 | abrotman | jfb86: you've been told multiple times you're not helping, please take a timeout to think about that |
| 15:34.24 | dioz_ | take a time out |
| 15:34.26 | dioz_ | hahahahahahahaha |
| 15:34.33 | abrotman | looks ... |
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| 15:35.06 | kraftwer1 | arghx: Ah, so "sid" means my system is in that semi-automatic process? (Sorry, wrong target) |
| 15:35.06 | Blackvel | walle/valdyn: ok. will check zarafa channel then. because i want to upgrade the server (.debs). shouldnt change to many 3rd-party libs (minor versions). but i cant do vserver full snapshot backup right now, so i don't want to risk corrupted system |
| 15:35.15 | abrotman | walle: what is your window manager? are you using gnome? |
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| 15:37.04 | arghx | kraftwer1: no. you run testing and testing only since you only get software from the testing repos. |
| 15:37.42 | abrotman | !releases |
| 15:37.42 | dpkg | See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. See <release history> or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases for prior releases. Ask me about <stable>, <testing>, <unstable> and <introduction>. |
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| 15:38.15 | AthomIk | hello |
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| 15:38.56 | arghx | blackd0g: are you running debian or an embedded device with its distro? |
| 15:39.12 | arghx | blackd0g: sorry, mis-tab |
| 15:39.22 | arghx | Blackvel: do you run debian or something debian based? |
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| 15:41.30 | walle | abrotman: hi, my network have some problem |
| 15:41.42 | walle | abrotman: could you see my message? |
| 15:41.44 | abrotman | but not your video ? |
| 15:42.00 | kraftwer1 | abrotman: Thanks, I just read it. But it doesn't answer my simple question: Why does my login shell says "Sid"? |
| 15:42.18 | walle | abrotman: after run you command, i get '01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Juniper LE [AMD Radeon HD 6700 Series] [1002:68bf]' |
| 15:42.27 | walle | abrotman: now, is all right? |
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| 15:42.56 | aldacalam1 | abrotman: you're stupid ;) |
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| 15:43.37 | Blackvel | arghx: just vserver with squeeze |
| 15:43.39 | walle | ? |
| 15:43.44 | abrotman | kraftwer1: says sid where? show us |
| 15:44.00 | walle | abrotman: is now my driver is ok? |
| 15:44.12 | abrotman | walle: i'm going to ask you one more time .. what is your window manager? gnome? kde? |
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| 15:44.23 | walle | abrotman: gnome3 |
| 15:44.24 | kraftwer1 | abrotman: After I boot my machine, just before the login prompt. |
| 15:44.38 | abrotman | kraftwer1: it says wheezy/sid |
| 15:44.40 | walle | abrotman: i have told you this some day ago :-) |
| 15:44.43 | abrotman | walle: did you install gdm3 ? |
| 15:45.02 | walle | abrotman: yes |
| 15:45.03 | kraftwer1 | abrotman: Exactly |
| 15:45.10 | abrotman | kraftwer1: that is normal |
| 15:45.13 | abrotman | i don't know why you care |
| 15:45.27 | walle | abrotman: care? |
| 15:45.28 | abrotman | walle: so have you restarted your computer to see if gnome starts ? |
| 15:45.39 | walle | abrotman: yes, it's work fine |
| 15:45.43 | kraftwer1 | abrotman: I'm using "testing", which is not sid. So why is it normal? |
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| 15:46.11 | arghx | Blackvel: then there is no ipkg but only dpkg |
| 15:46.19 | walle | abrotman: now is ok? |
| 15:46.20 | abrotman | kraftwer1: we've explained this five times |
| 15:46.24 | abrotman | walle: yes, it's fine |
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| 15:47.07 | walle | abrotman: is xorg video card driver is open source? is it bad than AMD close driver? |
| 15:47.17 | kraftwer1 | abrotman: You were telling me about Debians release process, yes, and about the version of libc6. Did I miss something? |
| 15:47.27 | abrotman | kraftwer1: i didn't say a word to you about libc6 |
| 15:47.37 | kraftwer1 | abrotman: You said "we" |
| 15:47.43 | abrotman | walle: do you need super fast 3d for some reason ? |
| 15:47.50 | kraftwer1 | abrotman: It's confusing if everybody says something else. |
| 15:48.03 | abrotman | kraftwer1: scroll back, read what i typed to you about this |
| 15:48.06 | arghx | kraftwer1: yes you missed that abrotman didn't say anything about libc6, I did. and you misunderstood badly what I said. I suggested you go to a german channel so one can explain it better to you but you ignored that |
| 15:48.17 | walle | abrotman: may be no, i only want my hardware have the right driver |
| 15:48.27 | abrotman | walle: if it works, it has the right driver ... |
| 15:49.01 | walle | abrotman: ok, thanks :-) good night |
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| 15:49.12 | walle | abrotman: I'm goto debian-zh |
| 15:49.17 | walle | abrotman: bey |
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| 15:49.21 | kraftwer1 | abrotman, arghn:Â Okay, sorry for stealing your time... |
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| 15:49.42 | abrotman | stealing? |
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| 15:51.40 | goose | I've named my machine 'crucio', so for PMA and other "localhost" sites, I was just gonna do like, 'pma.crucio', can I set "127.0.0.1 *.crucio" in my /etc/hosts, or do I have to enter each host manually? |
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| 15:52.37 | arghx | goose: you didn't name your machine "crucio" when you can use pma.crucio |
| 15:53.08 | arghx | and simply doing "pma" should resolve to the proper machine then |
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| 15:56.52 | goose | so back to my question, can I set "127.0.0.1 *.crucio" in my /etc/hosts, or do I have to enter each host manually? |
| 15:57.04 | obelix123 | i drunk my magic potion so i can help people!! :) |
| 15:57.19 | simonlnu | right... |
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| 15:58.17 | arghx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.30 | goose | thanks :) appreciate it |
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| 15:59.08 | guardian1 | hmm, how do i search debian mailing lists? like http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-exim4-users there is no search field |
| 15:59.22 | Blackvel | arghx: i always keep writing it wrong...i mean dpkg :) |
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| 16:00.46 | Blackvel | on older openwrt its ipkg |
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| 16:01.29 | riadh | hi, i'm trying to install gimp using : apt-get install gimp and I get the following error : |
| 16:01.31 | H__ | My system reports "Debian GNU/Linux squeeze/sid" ... soo, which is it ? squeeze or sid ? |
| 16:01.48 | abrotman | H__: it's out of date |
| 16:01.56 | riadh | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.04 | abrotman | H__: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in paste.debian.net |
| 16:02.17 | abrotman | riadh: aptitude update .. try again |
| 16:02.19 | jiohdi | H__, squeeze/sid means unstable repos for squeeze |
| 16:02.34 | abrotman | seriously? |
| 16:02.37 | abrotman | where are they coming from? |
| 16:02.56 | riadh | abrotman, i tried, everything is updated, upgraded, dist-upgraded, I still have the same error |
| 16:03.12 | abrotman | riadh: put your sources.list and the full output in paste.debian.net |
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| 16:04.10 | H__ | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/146280/ |
| 16:04.36 | abrotman | H__: when is the last time you updated your system? |
| 16:05.13 | H__ | abrotman: this is an Intel ss4400e NAS, I dont' dare to upgrade it ;-) |
| 16:05.58 | abrotman | H__: your system is out of date and probably missing a lot of security patches |
| 16:06.11 | H__ | it works perfect. I'm just curious to what version its running |
| 16:06.23 | abrotman | H__: it's running an out of date squeeze .. |
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| 16:06.42 | riadh | abrotman, first when i tried, I had this one : http://paste.debian.net/146281/ yesterday I made some changes to try to make it work, my actual file is this one : http://paste.debian.net/146282/ |
| 16:07.13 | riadh | I run on a 64bits debian, I'm not sure if it makes a difference. |
| 16:07.16 | castermn | I get seg. fault in Debian Squeeze, see: http://pastebin.com/i7KUi35j |
| 16:07.18 | abrotman | riadh: dotdeb is horrible broken shit .. don't use it |
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| 16:07.26 | riadh | abrotman, ok |
| 16:07.31 | castermn | when I compile LibreOffice. |
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| 16:07.47 | abrotman | riadh: so .. `aptitude update && aptitude install gimp` .. paste the full output of that command |
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| 16:08.23 | castermn | I found out make 3.82 from experimantal works OK.. Can we push this forward. I installed the .deb from experimental without any problem in squeeze. |
| 16:08.37 | pastareale | hello |
| 16:08.52 | obelix123 | abrotman: wasn't gimp unsupported? |
| 16:08.53 | pastareale | !list |
| 16:09.29 | abrotman | pastareale: this is not a warez channel, go away |
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| 16:10.09 | dpkg | pastareale: e possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero con http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 16:10.44 | riadh | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/146286/ |
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| 16:12.47 | abrotman | hrm |
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| 16:14.28 | guardian1 | exim4 reacts to MAILDIR_HOME_MAILDIR_LOCATION — i which file should i set this variable? |
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| 16:21.57 | Franzux | is away: « pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate » |
| 16:22.12 | abrotman | !tell Franzux about away |
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| 16:22.52 | trions | Is there a way to view all the packages installed by file size (decreasing)? |
| 16:23.02 | abrotman | !sort by size |
| 16:23.03 | dpkg | hmm... sort by size is aptitude search ~i -O installsize -F"%p %I", or see <sort by size sarge> |
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| 16:31.29 | marcpv | hi, I just install debian testing but gnome 3 is not working... 1Gb is enought? |
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| 16:32.48 | arghx | yes 1GB is enough. what videocard do you have and how is it not working? |
| 16:33.31 | marcpv | no idea... |
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| 16:34.22 | julius__ | arghx, http://git.debian.org/?p=d-i/debian-installer.git;a=blob;f=build/util/geniso_hybrid_plus_firmware_partition this script creates a hybrid image from a iso9660 file |
| 16:34.32 | marcpv | it is suposed to work by default, right? |
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| 16:36.54 | arghx | julius__: nice! would love it debian would make it "official" and wrote some docs |
| 16:37.08 | arghx | marcpv: lspci -nn|grep VGA |
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| 16:39.48 | blinki | I get a lot of scratching noises, an issue with encoding, bitrate/width |
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| 16:41.25 | Maryam_ | سلام به همه |
| 16:41.29 | Maryam_ | یه سوال داشتم |
| 16:41.32 | arghx | marcpv: so what is the lspci -nn output |
| 16:41.39 | marcpv | sorry have to go, bye (thanks anyway) |
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| 16:41.42 | arghx | Maryam_: english only please |
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| 16:42.44 | Maryam_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.51 | sterna | no i won't |
| 16:43.12 | Maryam_ | server vpn for microsft os? |
| 16:43.20 | arghx | !pptp |
| 16:43.21 | dpkg | Point-to-Point Tunneling Protocol (PPTP) is an insecure and unreliable way to create tunnels; consider <openvpn>, <ipsec> or <l2tp> instead. Some ISPs use PPTP to provide service on Ethernet connected broadband networks; this is not supported at Debian installation time. To connect to a PPTP server, use pptpsetup (pptp-linux package, on netinst and CD1), <vpnc> or network-manager-pptp. See also <why not pptp>, <vpn>, <poptop>, <mppe>. |
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| 16:43.46 | arghx | Maryam_: I suggest you use openvpn which supports windows, linux and OSX |
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| 16:55.31 | fladd | hi there, can anyone tell me how to catch an error in a sh script and CONTIUNE the script? |
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| 16:56.13 | fladd | If I try to do if [ "$?"-eq 127]; then the script terminates anyway when the error occurs |
| 16:56.33 | fladd | I just want to check if a certain comman is available on the system (python2) and if not, use another one instead (python) |
| 16:56.37 | fladd | how to do this? |
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| 16:59.25 | abrotman | fladd: #bash would be more help |
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| 17:02.05 | julius__ | arghx, its not working yet, "cant find cdrom" but its going in the right direction.....made a forum post, maybe somebody knows |
| 17:02.07 | julius__ | thx for help |
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| 17:17.26 | hoverbear | Hey all! How's Gnome 3 going with Debian? Is it fairly easy to get going? |
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| 17:18.13 | arghx | !gnome3 |
| 17:18.13 | dpkg | GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian testing and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.2-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>, <gnome-shell>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2011/04/msg00111.html |
| 17:18.30 | hoverbear | !gnome-shell |
| 17:18.30 | dpkg | The GNOME Shell is the core user interface for the <GNOME> desktop as of version 3, replacing GNOME Panel. http://wiki.debian.org/GnomeShell http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/FAQ http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell #gnome-shell on irc.gnome.org. See also <mutter>. |
| 17:18.33 | hoverbear | arghx: Thanks =D |
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| 17:21.26 | hoverbear | !install gnome |
| 17:21.34 | dpkg | To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, 'gnome-desktop-environment' for GNOME as defined by upstream, 'gnome-core' for a bit less and 'gnome-session' for the basic components actually needed to run a GNOME session. You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
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| 17:24.33 | l1nuxman | Can someone help. I'm getting an error when trying to start apache. I get this " (2)No such file or directory: apache2: could not open error log file /etc/apache2/${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/error.log." . I greped for grep -r "/etc/apache2/\${APACHE_LOG_DIR}" /etc/apache2 and got no results. http://pastebin.com/AAdnH1ZS & here's a trace of 'strace -f -o trace.txt /usr/sbin/apache2 -X' http://pastebin.com/LHmG00k3 |
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| 17:33.19 | arghx | l1nuxman: how are you strating apache? |
| 17:33.35 | arghx | l1nuxman: please ask #ubuntu |
| 17:34.21 | DCC_SEND | I'm trying to change the color of a .png icon in this KML file: http://pastebin.com/SaLJEhGg ... When I use the <color> tag, only the outline changes color, the center part stays black. How do I make it so the entire icon is orange and not only the border? |
| 17:34.36 | DCC_SEND | I'm using googleearth_6.0.3.2197+0.6.0-1_i386.deb |
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| 17:35.39 | DCC_SEND | damn people don't wanna answer |
| 17:35.41 | Blackvel | trying around with libmilter_dev package. is there an option to let apt-cache or aptitude list files of standard packages? i dont have a .deb file so i cant use dpkg cmd to list files |
| 17:35.55 | arghx | DCC_SEND: cause you are OT. and I answered you already, elsewhere |
| 17:36.15 | arghx | Blackvel: dpkg -L <package which you have installed> |
| 17:36.41 | arghx | Blackvel: or you can check packages.debian.org and check there and you can use apt-file |
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| 17:38.10 | Blackvel | oh it works even for "normal installed" sources.lst packages. didnt knew |
| 17:38.12 | Blackvel | thanks! |
| 17:38.20 | DCC_SEND | is there a way to load a file other than by <href>http://www.geology.arkansas.gov/minerals/amc_icons/PROSPECT_ABANDONED.png</href> |
| 17:38.28 | Blackvel | trying to crash my postfix with milter-regexp :) |
| 17:38.37 | DCC_SEND | maytbe like <file>/home/randy/PROSPECT_ABANDONED</file> instead? |
| 17:38.40 | DCC_SEND | or put it into a KMZ file? |
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| 17:38.50 | arghx | DCC_SEND: please keep on topic. the topic is debian,not how to write html |
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| 17:39.06 | lamah | this is a virus bot |
| 17:39.09 | lamah | adware |
| 17:39.29 | arghx | you mean DCC_SEND? no he's an actual person, just very confused and off topic |
| 17:41.04 | lamah | yes dcc_send |
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| 17:45.14 | b0rsuk | Hello. I have a broken system after trying to update from squeeze to wheezy. I ran out of space while doing dist-upgrade. Could you help me fix my system ? |
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| 17:45.51 | b0rsuk | There are a couple of error messages during boot (which file in /var/log was that ?). Also, KDE doesn't start anymore. |
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| 17:45.53 | arghx | !tell b0rsuk about bat |
| 17:46.32 | julius__ | where could i insert a mount command in the debian install process that mounts some filesystem from the media the installer is on to /cdrom - it has to be before the cdrom hardware detection test |
| 17:46.35 | julius__ | ? |
| 17:46.38 | arghx | b0rsuk: please fix your apt-get database so it works again without error first. then fix the problems that resulted from your bad installation |
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| 17:47.16 | arghx | julius__: do you have a unetbootin "can't find CD" problem? |
| 17:47.20 | b0rsuk | arghx: I don't get any errors when performing a dist-upgrade anymore. |
| 17:47.27 | b0rsuk | Unless you mean something else. |
| 17:47.34 | julius__ | arghx, no. im using the cdimage with the hybrid script |
| 17:48.07 | arghx | b0rsuk: so what other errors do you get? |
| 17:48.24 | arghx | b0rsuk: and apt-get -f install runs fine too? |
| 17:48.43 | em2000 | I have pcmcia t sinus 111 wlan laptop card, and I want to do a net install. However it does not recognize my card when select orinoco prism2 pcmcia. I have tried also other pcmcia drivers. Please help. |
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| 17:49.07 | rungdung | Let's see them do something to an IPv6 IP! |
| 17:49.56 | arghx | em2000: you probably need a firmware for your orinoco. what is it's pci id or pcmcia id? |
| 17:50.01 | rungdung | ' |
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| 17:50.43 | Dagger3 | rungdung: do you mean your current 2002:b607:33f::b607:33f, which is a tunnel to 182.7.3.63? :p |
| 17:51.07 | b0rsuk | arghx: It runs fine, except that it displays a huge list (one page) of no longer needed packages. Suspicious, some of them at least look important. |
| 17:51.21 | b0rsuk | I'll try to pastebin it from terminal. |
| 17:51.41 | em2000 | arghx it is pcmcia laptop card |
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| 17:52.15 | arghx | em2000:yes. and I asked you for its PCI ID |
| 17:52.38 | arghx | em2000: you can install debian, even via netinst without a network connection |
| 17:53.10 | arghx | b0rsuk: I have not crystal ball. either you give us something to go on or you solve your problems without our help |
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| 17:54.41 | em2000 | arghx ok thanks I will deal with wlan later. |
| 17:55.25 | kleanchap | Are there any good card games available in Gnome on Debian 6.0.3? |
| 17:55.36 | b0rsuk | arghx: I'm working on it, I'm trying to get the syntax right. |
| 17:55.41 | Wyzard | If it's actually PCMCIA, it won't have a PCI ID -- those are ISA devices |
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| 17:55.54 | Wyzard | More likely it's CardBus, which is basically PCI in a PCMCIA form factor |
| 17:56.04 | b0rsuk | arghx: I can only read 1 tty at a time. |
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| 17:56.47 | nio | ciao |
| 17:56.57 | nio | !list |
| 17:56.57 | dpkg | nio: e possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero con http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 17:57.39 | arghx | Wyzard: PCMCIA 5.0 (1995) or later is cardbus and therefore PCI and shows up in lspci |
| 17:58.02 | arghx | Wyzard: very very rare to encounter an earlier version, especially when the problem is a WLAN card |
| 17:58.03 | b0rsuk | My apt-get -f install log: http://paste.debian.net/146288 |
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| 17:58.58 | arghx | b0rsuk: doesn't look important to me. what's wrong with those getting removed? |
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| 18:01.02 | b0rsuk | arghx: I'm not sure. But could you remind me which of the /var/log files logs boot messages ? I tried the file "boot" but it's says no logged messages. |
| 18:01.43 | arghx | b0rsuk: none. /msg dpkg bootlog |
| 18:02.04 | MrFrood | kleanchap: ace-of-penguins collection |
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| 18:07.03 | b0rsuk | arghx: Ok, so the bootlog bug is fixed in experimental. How else can I get the boot messages ? For some reason (security?) I can't use ctrl-pgup anymore to scroll up. I was able to do so before I logged in. |
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| 18:07.16 | b0rsuk | I can reboot and write that down with a pen, but it kind of sucks. |
| 18:07.37 | arghx | b0rsuk: please read what dpkg wrote until you understand it. it clearly says what to do to enable the bootlog |
| 18:08.08 | arghx | and normally scrolling up is shift+pgup IIRC |
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| 18:08.21 | b0rsuk | arghx: Yes it does, but I also read the bug page and apparently they've disabled it for a reason. |
| 18:08.38 | b0rsuk | Because the log can grow absurdly large. |
| 18:09.13 | arghx | but you haven't understood a word of it. hint: you can turn it off again if you want to |
| 18:09.29 | Mimiko | Hi |
| 18:09.39 | Mimiko | Can debian act a large purpose server? |
| 18:09.53 | b0rsuk | Okay, see you in a few minutes. |
| 18:10.11 | arghx | Mimiko: what is a "large purpose server"? |
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| 18:11.29 | Mimiko | arghx For a corporate, like sharing, time server, user management, something like active directory, intrnet gw, different network application |
| 18:11.44 | arghx | yes |
| 18:12.04 | Mimiko | I know that all this a debian can do, but i am looking on moving from windows servers |
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| 18:13.05 | arghx | Mimiko: and you want a readymade solution for this? |
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| 18:13.51 | antnash | Hi guys. What does the advanced installer allow me to do that the standard doesn't? |
| 18:13.53 | Mimiko | arghx, I dont expect a ready made, just wandering if I can do the same like red hat enteprise |
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| 18:14.03 | b0rsuk | my boot log: http://paste.debian.net/146289 |
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| 18:14.14 | arghx | if course you can do. both run the same software: linux and its userland |
| 18:14.42 | Mimiko | arghx thanks, then it just a matter of configuring |
| 18:15.17 | arghx | b0rsuk: line 10, it exactly tells you what to do to fix this "error", which is not an error |
| 18:15.30 | Mimiko | For first I whant to move internet gw and shaping. What can I use on debian insteed of kerio winroute on windows? |
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| 18:15.59 | arghx | b0rsuk: what software do you run that needs a portmapper on the machine? |
| 18:16.19 | arghx | b0rsuk: note how this is no error either |
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| 18:17.17 | hapoliphe | Hi. I am using squeeze with amd64 kernel from squeeze-backports on a lenovo X120e. The multicard reader is not shown by lsusb and nothing is written to syslog upon insertion or removal of an SD card. The reader is enabled in the bios and works with the other OS. How can I find the kernel module I should load to operate this reader? |
| 18:17.37 | arghx | hapoliphe: what kernel version do you run? |
| 18:17.49 | hapoliphe | arghx, 2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64 |
| 18:17.51 | arghx | sorry. didn't read about the backports kernel |
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| 18:18.06 | hapoliphe | arghx, but it was the same with a squeeze kernel |
| 18:18.13 | arghx | hapoliphe: there is a newer one out there now. 2.6.39 btw. what is the USB ID of your reader? |
| 18:18.34 | arghx | squeeze kernel is not good for you, your videocard needs a newer one |
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| 18:19.08 | b0rsuk | arghx: I'm more concerned about "no such file or directory". Is rpcbind important ? I can't tell from the man page. |
| 18:19.10 | hapoliphe | arghx, yes, that's the reason why I use the bpo one. Ho wdo I find the ID of the device? In lsusb I see no mention of it. |
| 18:19.26 | arghx | b0rsuk: do you run a NFS server? |
| 18:19.58 | arghx | hapoliphe: pastebin the output of lsusb and lspci |
| 18:20.24 | b0rsuk | arghx: Not that I know of, it's a home desktop machine. |
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| 18:21.23 | arghx | b0rsuk: then you can remove it. or you can check if the directory /var/run/rpcbind exists and if it doesn't, create it |
| 18:22.06 | arghx | b0rsuk: and you mentioned kde or X not starting? |
| 18:22.14 | hapoliphe | arghx, http://paste.debian.net/146293/ and http://paste.debian.net/146291/ |
| 18:22.45 | b0rsuk | arghx: Yes, I'm reading the kde message log right now. Once I get it fixed I will be able to fix stuff much easier, mostly because googling solutions is easier. |
| 18:23.22 | arghx | hapoliphe: you don't have a x120e. that is not the output for a x120e |
| 18:23.43 | Mimiko | Am, arghx, could you tell me what applications combination I can use on debian to archive the basic functionality like in kerio winroute? Ie, traffic rules, access internet by username, which authorises by ip or by password, traffic shaping, traffic logs, access logs, web page restrictions, and a basic virus scan. |
| 18:23.56 | hapoliphe | arghx, that's right, it's actually x121e |
| 18:23.59 | hapoliphe | sorry |
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| 18:25.07 | b0rsuk | My /var/log/Xorg.0.log: http://paste.debian.net/146294 ; My etc/X11/xorg.conf: http://paste.debian.net/146295 |
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| 18:26.03 | arghx | hapoliphe: please pastebin the output of "lspci -nn" that unidentified realtek device is your card reader |
| 18:26.11 | b0rsuk | I changed from "nvidia" to "nv" because it sometimes gets the thing working, and I can troubleshoot nvidia with more comfort. |
| 18:26.54 | arghx | b0rsuk: delete your xorg.conf, restart X |
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| 18:27.28 | hapoliphe | arghx, http://paste.debian.net/146296/ |
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| 18:28.36 | hapoliphe | arghx, you're right, I see a redhat bug about it now. |
| 18:28.54 | arghx | hapoliphe: http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/RTS_PSTOR.html found in kernels 2.6.39+ so upgrade to the latest backport kernel and it should work |
| 18:29.17 | arghx | ,pciid 10ec:5209 |
| 18:29.19 | judd | [10ec:5209] is 'RTS5116 PCI Express Card Reader' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'rts_pstor' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:5209 |
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| 18:29.42 | arghx | hapoliphe: module name if you need to load manually is rts_pstor |
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| 18:31.09 | b0rsuk | arghx: deleting xorg.conf did the trick. Thank you. Now I can take over and fix whatever is left on my own. If anything remains. I really need to improve my elinks and irssi skills so I don't have to type those links in manually :-). |
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| 18:31.28 | arghx | b0rsuk: install gpm |
| 18:32.34 | hapoliphe | arghx, thanks, I'll try that and comment on kmuto's hardware compatibility list if it works... |
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| 18:33.22 | arghx | hapoliphe: 2.6.39 from backports should work. you do have installed xorg from backports too, right? cause you need that as well |
| 18:34.42 | hapoliphe | arghx, Yes, and xorg works reasonably fine except the machine sometimes hangs (reported upstream) |
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| 18:45.05 | tharkun | What is the factoid key to make the bot read the bts ? |
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| 18:45.41 | arghx | tharkun: /msg dpkg dbugs |
| 18:45.50 | tharkun | arghx: thx missed the s |
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| 18:53.05 | Nach | Is there any way to get modconf working with Linux 3? |
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| 18:55.00 | somiaj | linux 3.0 isn't any different than the laster 2.6 releases. So it should of course be the same. |
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| 18:55.47 | Nach | somiaj: Well it worked with Linux 2.6, but not 3, shows an empty list with 3 |
| 18:55.54 | somiaj | though due to automatic detection haven't seen modconf used in a while, doesn't it just add/remove entries form /etc/modules? |
| 18:56.15 | Nach | it was a nice graphical editor to see which modules you have by category and add/remove them |
| 18:56.24 | Nach | Is there something else which is similar which can be used? |
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| 18:57.25 | jhutchins_lt | Nach: Really? You need a GUI for that? |
| 18:57.49 | jhutchins_lt | Nach: Most modules auto-detect these days. |
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| 18:59.07 | hapoliphe | arghx, CONFIG_RTS_PSTOR is not set in 2.6.39-bpo.2 , but it is in 3.0.0-1 from wheezy. I'll try that again when this kernel will be backported. Thanks for your help. |
| 18:59.22 | arghx | :( |
| 19:00.33 | Nach | jhutchins_lt: and if I want to easily remove one, or add a non detected one? |
| 19:01.33 | arghx | sensible-editor /etc/modules and /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 19:02.36 | Nach | arghx: that doesn't give me a list of what is available |
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| 19:05.15 | Nach | arghx: also, that doesn't actually add or remove anything, that would only take affect on reboot, right? |
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| 19:05.38 | arghx | obviously |
| 19:05.50 | Nach | so is there nothing that works anymore? |
| 19:05.51 | arghx | but rmmod and modprobe haven't gone away, have they? |
| 19:06.02 | Nach | arghx: that requires me to actually know the exact name |
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| 19:06.32 | arghx | Nach: you lack lsmod? |
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| 19:06.58 | Nach | so you're saying I have to play with a dozen commands as opposed to having any nice graphical editor? |
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| 19:07.21 | gele | Is there any way at all to make hibernation work with encrypted RAM? |
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| 19:08.51 | ompaul | gele: buy the company that made your hardware and hire a few kernel devs |
| 19:08.55 | gele | I'm thinking of something like a special section of physical RAM used to store the key which doesn't get written to swap at hibernation and you then get to type a passphrase when you resume before the kernel loads the rest of the hibernated swap memory. |
| 19:09.14 | gele | Eh. I meant encrypted swap in my first sentence. |
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| 19:09.21 | arghx | Nach: man modconf and look at the options it has.i am fairly sure it can work with 3.x |
| 19:10.05 | Nach | okay, thanks |
| 19:10.24 | arghx | gele: why can't you google? |
| 19:10.54 | arghx | gele: there is no reason for a special section of physical RAM |
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| 19:13.25 | jhutchins_lt | Nach: modprobe it or put it in modprobe.d |
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| 19:14.05 | Nach | jhutchins_lt: modprobe what? |
| 19:14.26 | jhutchins_lt | Nach: I believe there's a commercial OS available where the configuration is all pointy-clicky and you can only do things that the developers already set up. |
| 19:14.54 | jhutchins_lt | Nach: Know what hardware you have, find the driver for it, modprobe that. |
| 19:14.57 | gele | arghx: I know that I can use LUKS to encrypt it with a fixed master key, I'm thinking about the sort of encrypted swap that is unreadable after a complete reboot. With a random master key assigned at boot. |
| 19:15.03 | Nach | jhutchins_lt: I had Debian OS for years now where I had a nice graphical editor (not pointy clicky) which suddenly stopped working |
| 19:15.09 | jhutchins_lt | Nach: Involves the use of somethin called a "brain". |
| 19:15.15 | Nach | jhutchins_lt: I think you're missing the point |
| 19:15.16 | gele | Unreadable even with the right passphrase, that is. |
| 19:15.23 | Nach | I like to swap drivers for stuff sometimes |
| 19:15.26 | arghx | gele: not doable |
| 19:15.41 | arghx | and if you store the key in RAM that's futile |
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| 19:16.02 | arghx | some store the key in you cpu's cache RAM. that works, however it has a huge drawback |
| 19:16.10 | jhutchins_lt | Nach: I certainly don't want to have to load a GUI interface when I'm doing remote admin over a dodgy telmex connection in Puerto Pennasco. |
| 19:16.16 | oitofelix | Hi. I'm installing Debian Squezze i386 from CD-ROM in a Celeron 433 Mhz, with 256 MB RAM. But, in boot time, it writes on screen: ISOLINUX 4.022 ... aborted, and then show a prompt like this "boot:". I've tried many boot options but it's reply "aborted." for all. Can anyone help me? |
| 19:16.25 | arghx | jhutchins_lt: it's not GUI. it's debconf from the looks of it |
| 19:16.48 | arghx | cian1500ww: you installing from a real CD? |
| 19:17.04 | jhutchins_lt | Swap drivers? |
| 19:17.19 | Nach | jhutchins_lt: It's a curses interface, and it's fine over SSH |
| 19:17.38 | jhutchins_lt | Nach: We very rarely have more than one driver for any given hardware, with the exception of free vs. proprietary video drivers which aren't kernel modules anyway |
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| 19:18.21 | Nach | jhutchins_lt: How about when KVM and VirtualBox clash? |
| 19:18.26 | b0rsuk | Hmm, is it normal that I have TWO nvidia-kernel packages installed, at the same time ? One that matches linux kernel version (3.0.0-1.amd64) and one earlier that doesn't. |
| 19:19.15 | gele | b0rsuk: You need one for every kernel you want to use it with. |
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| 19:19.57 | tharkun | What can cause that a perfectly working system suddenly starts to have failed connections? |
| 19:20.16 | JPT | broken hardware? |
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| 19:20.30 | JPT | maybe someone decided to poke the wires |
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| 19:21.44 | b0rsuk | I'm having a problem getting nvidia GPU to work. After upgrading to wheezy I deleted xorg.conf . Then I did everything as on the debian wiki (module-assistant auto-install ...). I manually created xorg.conf file as suggested. Restarting kdm, and... no screens found. |
| 19:21.52 | tharkun | JPT: Someone is investigating that at the momment any aditional ideas? |
| 19:22.12 | JPT | you can start to check the tx/rx errors on ifconfig |
| 19:22.14 | ompaul | tharkun: lots of reasons, mostly a change to some config. |
| 19:22.20 | JPT | also /var/log/messages might contain hints |
| 19:22.41 | JPT | it depends on how the connections are failing |
| 19:23.51 | tharkun | ompaul: there is supposed to be no configuration changes recently. ( way before this problem) |
| 19:23.51 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: Please elaborate on "failed connections". |
| 19:23.51 | arghx | b0rsuk: that's not suited for wheezy. /msg dpkg nvidia dkms |
| 19:24.21 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: Were packages updated? |
| 19:24.22 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: I can't i only know there are some timeouts when trying to recieve information from some hardware |
| 19:24.26 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: no |
| 19:24.47 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: Ouch. Hardware timeouts are very likely hardware issues. When was the box last cleaned? |
| 19:24.57 | Arrowmaster | dpkg, tell b0rsuk about nvidia dkms |
| 19:24.58 | tharkun | Last month |
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| 19:25.31 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: It's not likely to have gotten dirty enough to start failing, is it? |
| 19:25.53 | tharkun | I hope not. But i will check it asap |
| 19:25.54 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: I would be looking at a plan to deal with hardware replacement then. |
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| 19:26.38 | arghx | tharkun: what kind of "failed connections"? |
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| 19:30.32 | oitofelix | Weird. Netinst CD boots but I need to keep typing to boot. Each key a step forward. Has anyone experienced this? |
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| 19:32.58 | b0rsuk | Hmm. I have nvidia-kernel-dkms installed, but I can't *run* a command 'nvidia-kernel-dkms'. No tab autocompletion, etc. I to 'locate' it, but no success. |
| 19:33.41 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: Yes, I took that decisition late last night. It will be arriving early morning. Yet I am unsure of the cause |
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| 19:36.22 | oitofelix | Thanks. |
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| 19:39.30 | arghx | b0rsuk: there is nothing to run |
| 19:40.36 | guardian | i need help to understand email MDA: i understand an MDA is the one that delivers mail in mbox or Maildir — which is the default MDA in debian? i configured exim4 and i get emails in ~/Maildir but the MDA doesn't seem to be procmail nor maildrop |
| 19:40.48 | guardian | so? what do i miss in the picture? |
| 19:42.55 | arghx | there is no default MDA. pretty much every MTA, including maildir can do MDA duty as well |
| 19:43.04 | arghx | sorry, including exim4 |
| 19:43.25 | guardian | oh i see |
| 19:43.46 | guardian | i was wondering because http://wiki.debian.org/MaildirConfiguration starts straight talking about procmail |
| 19:44.03 | guardian | so i read about procmail, and discovers it's not maintained anymore, but replaced by maildrop, another MDA, etc … : |
| 19:44.05 | guardian | :) |
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| 19:46.08 | tharkun | guardian: take a look at dovecot |
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| 19:46.32 | tharkun | postfix and exim have MDA's but they are fairly simple. |
| 19:47.43 | guardian | ok and do i need to mess with /etc/pam.d as suggested by the wikipage? i just finished configured exim4 for a box on the internet, using Maildir. i can send / receive emails — i was about to install dovecot but just came across that wiki page |
| 19:48.42 | tharkun | dovecot has its own auth mechanism no need to mess with pam.d |
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| 19:49.17 | jiltdil | How to k now that if my nvidia driver is active or not? |
| 19:49.30 | tharkun | k?? |
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| 19:49.53 | jiltdil | *know :P |
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| 19:50.55 | tharkun | jiltdil: you can check that the module is loaded with lsmod |
| 19:51.37 | arghx | jiltdil: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
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| 19:52.34 | jiltdil | arghx:tharkun no output it means nvidia is not active . How to load it |
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| 19:53.19 | arghx | !tell jiltdil about nvidia dkms |
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| 19:53.57 | jiltdil | arghx: thanks alot :) |
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| 19:54.14 | arghx | jiltdil: which nvidia videocard is it? |
| 19:55.27 | jiltdil | arghs: nvidia gforce 968 |
| 19:55.31 | jiltdil | arghs: nvidia gforce 96* |
| 19:56.21 | arghx | that will work fine with the drivers in squeeze |
| 19:56.56 | jiltdil | arghx: lshw not works in debian? |
| 19:58.19 | arghx | of course it does |
| 19:58.35 | jiltdil | arghx: it is not working for me |
| 19:58.46 | arghx | !doesn't work |
| 19:58.46 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 19:59.16 | jiltdil | arghx: lshw says command not found |
| 19:59.31 | arghx | !tell jiltdil about installit |
| 19:59.45 | arghx | ,info lshw |
| 19:59.46 | judd | Package lshw (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: information about hardware configuration. Version: 02.14-1; Size: 255.9k; Installed: 640k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/lshw |
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| 20:02.00 | cnz | question I messed up and did chmod -R 744 * hoping to fix all persmissions but I messed up and only needed dirctories 744 and the files 644 is there an easy fast fix for this? |
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| 20:04.46 | blubberdiblub | cnz, yes, try: find /path/to/your/directory -type f -exec chmod -- 0644 '{}' \; |
| 20:04.48 | arghx | cnz: you can with "find" select only files and no not directories and then run chmod on that via -exec or xargs. but you have to google for the specifics how to do it |
| 20:04.57 | arghx | blubberdiblub: to the rescue |
| 20:05.20 | cnz | thanks guys |
| 20:05.23 | raboof | i'm confused about how PATH's, sudo, dpkg and utilities in /sbin interact. |
| 20:05.35 | xauth | cnz: by the way, your dirs should probably be 755, not 744. |
| 20:06.04 | raboof | http://tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/sbin.html mentions it's normal for /sbin to be in root's path but not in users' path. 'man sudo' mentions sudo doesn't touch that PATH. but dpkg fails when various utilities that are in /sbin are not on the PATH |
| 20:06.06 | arghx | raboof: only root has /sbin in its path. that's all |
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| 20:06.22 | raboof | so i can't use 'dpkg' with 'sudo', which seems really odd |
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| 20:07.05 | cnz | xauth: hhmm when I create new dircs it gives it 744 |
| 20:07.32 | guardian | since debian wiki doesn't have a page for dovecot; what's the best source of documentation? upstream wiki? |
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| 20:07.39 | xauth | cnz: Then you have umask 33, which should probably be 22 instead. |
| 20:07.44 | raboof | arghx: so you're saying it's normal I can't use apt-get and dpkg with 'sudo'? |
| 20:07.59 | cnz | xauth: sorry but not sure what you mean by that :/ |
| 20:08.14 | arghx | raboof: run "env". notice all your variables and especially the PATH one. now run "sudo bash -c env". please compare |
| 20:08.26 | arghx | raboof: it's not normal cause you can |
| 20:08.30 | jiltdil | arghx, please tell me the command to install nvidia driver i am conused reading |
| 20:08.32 | xauth | cnz: the umask is an octal number, containing the bits you want *off* in new files. |
| 20:08.46 | cnz | oh |
| 20:08.51 | xauth | cnz: type umask to see the current value. |
| 20:08.52 | cnz | how do you change that? |
| 20:08.55 | raboof | arghx: so I should always be using 'sudo bash -c apt-get install gdm3' instead of 'sudo apt-get install gdm3'? |
| 20:09.01 | xauth | cnz: umask <new-value> |
| 20:09.06 | cnz | 0022 |
| 20:09.21 | xauth | cnz: Hmm... |
| 20:09.40 | xauth | Are you sure you're getting 744 on new dirs? |
| 20:09.56 | arghx | raboof: no you should not |
| 20:10.13 | arghx | jiltdil: conused reading? |
| 20:10.23 | jiltdil | arghx, confused |
| 20:10.25 | blubberdiblub | xauth, cnz, might depend on the filesystem you're trying this on. especially if the filesystem is non-linux-native. might also depend on acls, if there are some set |
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| 20:10.30 | jiltdil | arghx, :) |
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| 20:10.38 | arghx | jiltdil: it gives you the EXACT command to install the drivers on squeeze |
| 20:10.41 | cnz | xauth: it's doing 755 now |
| 20:10.49 | cnz | I might've looked at the wrong line last type |
| 20:10.58 | raboof | arghx: well, 'env | grep PATH' and 'sudo env | grep PATH' return exactly the same PATH for me |
| 20:11.07 | xauth | cnz: ok |
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| 20:11.13 | jiltdil | arghx, The given command says that nvidia-kernel-dkms not found |
| 20:11.23 | arghx | !tell judd about errors |
| 20:11.37 | arghx | jiltdil: have you non-free and contrib enabled? |
| 20:11.44 | cnz | blubberdiblub: that command you said to run will that keep the sub dircs with 755? |
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| 20:12.19 | jiltdil | arghx, i have 1 gb of nvidia card |
| 20:12.20 | arghx | !tell jiltdil about non-free |
| 20:12.24 | blubberdiblub | cnz, yes. that's what "-type f" is for. it selects only the files that are actual files |
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| 20:12.33 | arghx | jiltdil: I mean the non-free and contrib debian repos |
| 20:12.41 | cnz | blubberdiblub: oh ok thanks |
| 20:13.04 | arghx | !tell jiltdil about non-free sources |
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| 20:15.07 | rubidious | Hello all, I'm running an up to date debian unstable/wheezy. On my most recent update of iceweasel (to version 8.0.3), it seems to hang and freeze the entire machine. Has anyone else experienced this? |
| 20:15.27 | arghx | rubidious: are you running testing or unstable? |
| 20:15.49 | arghx | rubidious: and have you checked BTS? |
| 20:15.57 | cnz | thanks blubberdiblub and xauth for the help, much appreciated. |
| 20:16.11 | blubberdiblub | cnz, you're welcome |
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| 20:16.23 | jiltdil | arghx, should i hhave to add this at the end of the line in the mirrors main contrib non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:16.46 | arghx | jiltdil: you do not add "main" since that's already there |
| 20:17.21 | jiltdil | arghx: :) i have to add contrib non-free ? |
| 20:17.41 | arghx | jiltdil: obviously. is english a 2nd language for you? |
| 20:17.49 | raboof | meh, i guess i'll just add /sbin to my regular users' path |
| 20:17.50 | jiltdil | arghx, You are very helpful. Thanks alot. God Bless you |
| 20:17.53 | rubidious | arghx: BTS? |
| 20:17.58 | xauth | cnz: sure |
| 20:18.00 | rubidious | arghx: unstable |
| 20:18.02 | jiltdil | arghx, yes english is my second language |
| 20:18.09 | arghx | ok, then |
| 20:18.16 | arghx | !tell rubidious about bts |
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| 20:18.35 | antnash | Alright guys. I've just upgraded with testing repos and now it can't find shutdown, reboot, rmmod, basically almost everything |
| 20:18.42 | antnash | How do I fix that? |
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| 20:19.10 | jhutchins | antnash: Why did you change to testing? |
| 20:19.30 | antnash | Basically no other reason than I felt like it |
| 20:19.39 | movl | antnash: echo $PATH |
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| 20:19.56 | jelly-home | antnash: I feel you might be going to feel like reinstalling soonish! |
| 20:20.24 | antnash | /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games |
| 20:20.31 | antnash | jelly-home, I think you may be right |
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| 20:20.55 | movl | shutdown, for example, is in /sbin, which is not in your PATH |
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| 20:21.46 | antnash | ah. So just add them in then |
| 20:21.58 | movl | add /sbin to PATH, yeah |
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| 20:22.36 | chrissbx | Grub question: how do I make manually created entries, that I put into /etc/grub.d/40_custom, appear first in the boot list? (Or rather what I want, choosen as default.) |
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| 20:23.07 | rubidious | arghx: I don't see anything related to system freezes or hangs in BTS |
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| 20:23.17 | arghx | chrissbx: you can choose them by default by editing /etc/default/grub |
| 20:23.57 | arghx | chrissbx: you can even make it (at least from testing onwards) for grub to save what you chose last and use that automatically on reboot |
| 20:24.05 | movl | antnash: if you use sudo you will have access to /sbin without altering the PATH |
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| 20:24.40 | antnash | movl, yeah, I tried that |
| 20:24.45 | movl | and you will need sudo or su anyhow for /sbin resident apps |
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| 20:25.08 | antnash | it wasn't giving sudo access even |
| 20:25.22 | movl | visudo |
| 20:26.00 | chrissbx | arghx: thanks. Actually I just found "grub-set-default foo" while you replied, that seems to save into /boot/grub/grubenv |
| 20:26.20 | chrissbx | which is probably the same place that it saves what you mentioned |
| 20:27.07 | chrissbx | reboots, -> offline |
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| 20:30.26 | dr_rotflcopter | hi |
| 20:30.27 | dr_rotflcopter | what do you think about the resurrection of dinosaurs (via cloning)? |
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| 20:30.47 | jelly-home | dr_rotflcopter: ask that in #defocus channel. |
| 20:31.01 | dr_rotflcopter | ok ;>> |
| 20:31.04 | Mr_Queue | what gives with restarting networking remotely? |
| 20:31.14 | dr_rotflcopter | ;< |
| 20:31.16 | dr_rotflcopter | limited |
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| 20:31.47 | chrissbx | arghx: actually grub-set-default had no effect; how do I enable the saving of the entry? |
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| 20:33.33 | SuperPhly_ | hey guys, i'm on a brand new debian 6 install. i'm wanting to "daemonize" rtorrent. It's been a while since I messed with the dependency based startup stuff. Are there any good tutorials on how to setup a service? |
| 20:34.40 | chrissbx | arghx: what is the value for the default entry, the number or the name? |
| 20:34.53 | chrissbx | suppresses a "man I hate this stuff" |
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| 20:36.05 | chrissbx | Anyone else? How do I set the default boot entry in Debian? |
| 20:36.52 | chrissbx | Well, /etc/default/grub has GRUB_DEFAULT=0, which suggests it wants numbers. |
| 20:36.57 | guardian | i'm going to use system users, no virtual email users; is there a point configuring dovecot to be the MDA; while exim4 seems to put mail in ~/Maildir correctly already? |
| 20:37.02 | Dulak | chrissbx: edit /etc/default/grub and set GRUB_DEFAULT |
| 20:37.04 | chrissbx | suppresses a second "man I hate this stuff" |
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| 20:37.45 | Dulak | chrissbx: 0 is the first menu entry, 1 is the second, etc |
| 20:37.59 | arghx | chrissbx: it's a number or "SAVE" |
| 20:38.19 | chrissbx | Ahh, perfect, thanks arghx. |
| 20:38.40 | chrissbx | Again something nondiscouverable. But I dimly remember this. |
| 20:38.45 | antnash | I love this expert installer. SSH install! Score! |
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| 20:39.09 | chrissbx | Once upon a time a boy learned how to configure ppc booting (two ways if he remembers correctly), then lilo, then syslinux and isolinux then grub 1 then grub 2 then grub 2 in Debian. |
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| 20:40.24 | Dulak | You can specify a title to GRUB_DEFAULT too |
| 20:40.28 | bony | I have a problem with a new dell xps 15 laptop. there are 2 graphic cards in it intel and nvidia. I installed nvidia drivers using module assistant, ran Xorg -configure to get the xorg.conf file, copied it to /etc/X11 and restarted gdm3. I get the GUI. But when i run glxinfo | grep vendor it gives me an error saysing no disply etc. When i checked xorg.conf file i find 2 device sections and at the drivers option one has nv and the other |
| 20:40.28 | bony | has intel when i commented all the lines of intel section i get a blank screen. How to make the nvidia section as the default section and get nvidia drivers work on this system? |
| 20:41.52 | chrissbx | Dulak: well that's what I tried with grub-set-default, it even accepted it silently and wrote it to /boot/grub/grubenv, |
| 20:41.56 | chrissbx | but it didn't work. |
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| 20:42.39 | chrissbx | That stuff is at a level of complexity and layering that it feels like debugging assembly. |
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| 20:42.41 | alexxio | my debian install hangs at 23%...in mdmodules -26-32-5-... |
| 20:42.45 | chrissbx | There's just something wrong about it. |
| 20:43.03 | Dulak | chrissbx: that's weird, I use it to set windows default boot on my wife's laptop and it works, by title because every kernel update changes the menu numbers |
| 20:43.25 | bony | when i run the command Xorg -configure in the end it says that "Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices." "Configuration failed." |
| 20:43.46 | chrissbx | I ran "grub-set-default 'Debian cj'", and this is what was in the grubenv file. And what's in the menu.cfg. So dunno. |
| 20:44.36 | SuperPhly_ | how do i find out if i have dependency based startup in debian? |
| 20:44.47 | Dulak | chrissbx: I edited /etc/default/grub and set it manually, not sure that would make a difference or not |
| 20:44.55 | arghx | SuperPhly_: do you run squeeze? |
| 20:45.01 | SuperPhly_ | yes, gotcha. |
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| 20:45.16 | arghx | SuperPhly_: then you do |
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| 20:45.41 | chrissbx | Dulak: aha, well that might be it. (Doesn't it proove my point..) |
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| 20:46.01 | chrissbx | (My point being directed to dunno whom.) |
| 20:46.05 | raboof | how do I add a directory (/sbin) to the globally default PATH? /etc/profile directed me to /etc/login.defs , but it seems xterm/bash doesn't pick it up, not even when i log out of X entirely and back in |
| 20:46.40 | arghx | raboof: where do you declare your PATH normally? |
| 20:46.48 | mateyNOP | Hi, newbie question.. how do I send any message to admin as user from console, let's say? |
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| 20:47.14 | raboof | arghx: normally I just stick with the default :). for user-specific additions I'd use ~/.profile or ~/.bashrc, but in this case I'd like to do it systemwide |
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| 20:49.30 | Dulak | mateyNOP: write username (ctrl-d ends the message) |
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| 20:50.36 | mateyNOP | can write take file as arg? |
| 20:51.05 | mateyNOP | like write root < file.txt |
| 20:51.15 | jhutchins_lt | mateyNOP: What are you actually trying to do? |
| 20:51.47 | mateyNOP | I got script that does smth, creates result in some text file and I want to send content of that file to root |
| 20:51.51 | mateyNOP | as some sort of message |
| 20:51.55 | Dulak | mateyNOP: yes, you might have to echo filename | write username |
| 20:52.08 | mateyNOP | ah pipeline right |
| 20:52.24 | Dulak | mateyNOP: I haven't used write in years but I remember using a file with ascii art to annoy coworkers on the console back in the day |
| 20:52.36 | mateyNOP | =D |
| 20:52.37 | jhutchins_lt | mateyNOP: What about email? |
| 20:53.09 | mateyNOP | well I look for simplest way, without having to configure smth server etc |
| 20:53.19 | mateyNOP | smtp* |
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| 20:53.34 | mateyNOP | cause script is supposed to be run on any system |
| 20:53.54 | mateyNOP | and not every system has mail configured |
| 20:53.55 | Dulak | mateyNOP: 'cat filename | write username' works for me |
| 20:54.10 | mateyNOP | alright, thanks ;] |
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| 20:54.25 | Dulak | mateyNOP: there is also wall to write to all logged in users, but that is root only iirc |
| 20:54.34 | mateyNOP | wall |
| 20:54.35 | mateyNOP | yes |
| 20:54.39 | mateyNOP | heard about it |
| 20:55.04 | gmarselis | is there an easy way to say "remove all windowing managers, audio" or say "just give me the bare system with ssh" *after* you install a bunch of shite? |
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| 20:55.38 | rubidious | uninstall what you installed |
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| 20:56.08 | rubidious | or boot to a different runmode |
| 20:56.12 | gmarselis | rubidious: yeah,i'm working on it. might take a white |
| 20:56.21 | gmarselis | you mean init mode |
| 20:56.22 | Dulak | It's actually probably faster to just wipe it and reinstall, depending on how much stuff you installed |
| 20:56.29 | arghx | !tell gmarselis about uninstall gnome |
| 20:56.52 | gmarselis | ta mate |
| 20:57.03 | gmarselis | is there an equiv for remove all desktop managers? |
| 20:57.29 | gmarselis | Dulak: not an option when you got 300 nodes |
| 20:57.39 | gmarselis | well, i could always boot them with fai |
| 20:59.08 | simonlnu | !standard |
| 20:59.08 | dpkg | standard is, like, when people write down their ideas, ignoring other (better) ideas and then argumenting that the other (better) ideas are bad since they are not standard. See <wifi> |
| 20:59.15 | simonlnu | ... |
| 20:59.20 | simonlnu | !standard install |
| 20:59.29 | simonlnu | !base install |
| 20:59.40 | gmarselis | the !standard sounds like my workplace |
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| 21:01.02 | simonlnu | !standard task |
| 21:01.02 | dpkg | i heard standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). For a list of packages see http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel . Also ask me about <tasksel>. Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. |
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| 21:01.46 | simonlnu | gmarselis: diff out ^^^ that and your current install, with dpkg --get-selections from current install |
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| 21:02.44 | simonlnu | then remove/purge all the ones that don't match, or get a clean install with just that ^^^ and get the get-selections and add it to each one with --set-selections |
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| 21:02.55 | simonlnu | just a thought =) |
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| 21:03.42 | simonlnu | then watch the 'magic' with aptitude or something |
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| 21:04.38 | simonlnu | when you set it with --set-selections all the stuff that's marked uninstall will get removed |
| 21:05.17 | simonlnu | you may have a little bit of clean up to do, so i'd suggest getting a clean list of stuff you wanna keep in that output file |
| 21:05.39 | simonlnu | 'cause like you said you wanna keep ssh, and probably other things too |
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| 21:06.32 | simonlnu | gmarselis: ^^ |
| 21:06.41 | simonlnu | bah |
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| 21:08.26 | jhutchins_lt | Make a template of files to remove from an example system and feed it to dpkg over ssh with a for loop. |
| 21:08.31 | jhutchins_lt | !clone |
| 21:08.31 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 21:09.06 | jhutchins_lt | Does that actually mean something? |
| 21:09.12 | jhutchins_lt | !apt clone |
| 21:09.22 | simonlnu | !dpkg clone |
| 21:09.23 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 21:09.31 | simonlnu | bah. |
| 21:09.37 | simonlnu | /msg dpkg listkeys clone |
| 21:09.47 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 21:09.47 | dpkg | One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>. |
| 21:09.58 | jhutchins_lt | simonlnu: I think somebody sneezed on the factoid. |
| 21:09.59 | abrotman | but you probably really want to /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 21:10.12 | simonlnu | !aptitude clone |
| 21:10.13 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>. |
| 21:10.33 | simonlnu | ah yes, better |
| 21:11.41 | jhutchins_lt | Generate a list of IP addresses with nmap if necessary, bash for loop, ssh. |
| 21:11.43 | simonlnu | he timed out anyway, so it's moot |
| 21:11.59 | jhutchins_lt | simonlnu: Yes, but WE know <grin>. |
| 21:12.14 | simonlnu | hehe |
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| 21:13.24 | abrotman | i already knew ... |
| 21:13.32 | abrotman | or use |
| 21:13.37 | abrotman | judd: info dsh |
| 21:13.40 | judd | Package dsh (net, optional) in squeeze/i386: dancer's shell, or distributed shell. Version: 0.25.10-1; Size: 34.1k; Installed: 92k |
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| 21:31.06 | lacallas | hi |
| 21:32.58 | lacallas | i see that fucking good men are still here!! :) |
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| 21:35.01 | lacallas | so my brain is disponible, not my brot :) |
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| 21:36.45 | abrotman | lacallas: need help ? |
| 21:36.48 | abrotman | oh .. |
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| 21:37.13 | abrotman | lacallas: do not evade your ban, thank you |
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| 21:43.05 | rawsted | can someone tell me in plain english when lvm is useful? |
| 21:43.41 | abrotman | rawsted: in a few cases .. generally for dynamically sized partitions, but also for spanning disks for a single volume and the ability to take snapshots |
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| 21:44.07 | rawsted | abrotman: you again! so if i'm looking to set up a raid, i'd probably want to use lvm? (in the case that i'd like to expand it later on) |
| 21:44.32 | abrotman | you can, yes |
| 21:45.07 | rawsted | alright so let's say i'm going to install the system on a disk which isn't in the raid...should those partitions be lvm? |
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| 21:46.24 | abrotman | they can be .. it's really up to you .. if you don't plan on extending the system, it's an added layer for no good reason |
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| 21:47.19 | rawsted | alright, last question: when doing raid+lvm, are the lvm partitions created first, then set raid, or vice-versa? |
| 21:47.37 | abrotman | you would do raid first |
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| 21:47.54 | rawsted | so normal ext partitions on each disk, mark as raid, configure raid, configure lvm? |
| 21:48.06 | abrotman | that's not how the software raid works |
| 21:48.21 | rawsted | ? |
| 21:49.20 | abrotman | are you talking about swraid or hwraid? |
| 21:49.24 | rawsted | swraid |
| 21:49.52 | abrotman | probably start by reading a swraid howto |
| 21:50.05 | rawsted | any recommendations? |
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| 21:50.20 | abrotman | there are probably a few of thenm |
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| 21:50.22 | abrotman | them |
| 21:50.33 | rawsted | alright, lastly: what was debuser doing? |
| 21:50.44 | abrotman | evading his ban |
| 21:50.49 | rawsted | lol, oh |
| 21:51.17 | rawsted | okay i'm going to switch back over to installer+docs, thanks again abrotman |
| 21:51.29 | Woet | you could just ban his ISP for being silly giving dynamic IPs that can change every second |
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| 21:51.36 | Woet | but i suppose that would be mean |
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| 21:51.40 | Woet | waves at usa_deb1 |
| 21:51.59 | rawsted | he isn't changing his u/n |
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| 21:52.20 | Woet | abrotman: probably better to ban ~jfb@*.rev.sfr.net |
| 21:52.24 | abrotman | Woet: i'm aware |
| 21:52.37 | abrotman | or the whole isp .. |
| 21:53.00 | Woet | true, but that would be mean to the french! |
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| 21:58.03 | dr_rotflcopter | adserver rampage ;> |
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| 22:00.42 | julius__ | d-i network-console/password password r00tme is this username/password or is this just a password for some user? |
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| 22:01.30 | antnash | Alright guys. How do I upgrade my my kernel, and can I expect any problems with doing this? |
| 22:01.47 | abrotman | antnash: what's worng with the one you have? why do you need to upgrade? |
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| 22:02.24 | antnash | native support for my video card is added in 2.6.39+ |
| 22:02.32 | antnash | not video card |
| 22:02.37 | antnash | DVB-S2 card |
| 22:03.35 | abrotman | antnash: see backports.debian.org .. there's a .39 for squeeze there |
| 22:03.52 | antnash | cheers man |
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| 22:05.57 | antnash | sod it, I'll just compile the drivers and wait for wheezy |
| 22:07.05 | abrotman | why? the kernel at backports.org works perfectly fine |
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| 22:23.48 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 22:23.50 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.1-1); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
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| 22:31.23 | an0 | is there a way to prevent creation of new files within a directory without preventing write access to the existing files in that same directory? |
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| 22:34.26 | julius__ | d-i network-console/password password r00tme is this username/password or is this just a password for some user? |
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| 22:35.14 | somiaj | an0: give the group you want to modify the files write primisions, but don't give write perimisions to the directory |
| 22:36.31 | somiaj | julius__: are you talking about this, http://blog.remoteresponder.net/2011/03/23/debian-squeeze-60-installation-over-ssh/ |
| 22:36.48 | an0 | somiaj, so if they have write access to the files in the directory, but not the directory itself, that should do the trick? |
| 22:36.55 | robokop | julius__: this is the root password |
| 22:36.57 | antnash | What packages do I need in debian to compile source code apart from make? |
| 22:36.58 | Woet | julius__: it's the preseed definition of the root password |
| 22:37.06 | abrotman | !b-e antnash |
| 22:37.07 | dpkg | antnash: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 22:37.28 | antnash | essential, not essentials. grrr |
| 22:38.08 | somiaj | an0: Test it out. :D |
| 22:38.13 | julius__ | in general yes, but i would like todo it on a headless system |
| 22:38.19 | julius__ | somiaj, ^ |
| 22:38.43 | julius__ | robokop, Woet so why does the line contain the word password 2 times? |
| 22:39.05 | somiaj | julius__: I guess you could setup a preseed to set up all the ssh installer options. Though if you have access to the harddrive, can you put it into another computer and just use debootstrap? |
| 22:39.25 | Woet | julius__: 'network-console/password' refers to the part of the installer, 'password' refers to the name of the input, 'r00tme' is the value |
| 22:39.29 | Woet | if i'm not mistaken |
| 22:39.39 | robokop | Woet: you are not |
| 22:39.44 | julius__ | i see, thx |
| 22:39.48 | Woet | i'm not mistaken? or i'm not right? :p |
| 22:39.54 | an0 | somiaj, thanks! |
| 22:39.58 | robokop | Woet: not mistaken |
| 22:40.01 | Woet | awesome |
| 22:40.09 | Woet | i actually understood it while implementing, that's a first |
| 22:40.19 | Woet | although partman recipe is still giving me nightmares :( |
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| 22:41.46 | robokop | Woet: they require some time to build, but are actually quite strong and doable |
| 22:42.10 | Woet | robokop: i guess, but i think the centos way for partitions is better in their kickstart. |
| 22:42.15 | Woet | (that being the only thing better in centos) |
| 22:42.43 | Woet | robokop: i still didn't manage to get RAID 1 + 'biosgrub' partition to work (for 2 TB disks) using preseed |
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| 22:44.21 | antnash | If I use the testing repo will my kernel be updated? |
| 22:44.50 | julius__ | Woet, Some_Person for debian 6.0.3 the user is "installer" |
| 22:44.51 | arghx | antnash: why would you want to use testing when abrotman told you how you can get your hardware running? |
| 22:45.03 | julius__ | Some_Person, sry...wrong person |
| 22:45.08 | julius__ | somiaj, the user is "installer" |
| 22:45.23 | antnash | arghx, how do I know which .39 I need to use? there's hundreds of the things |
| 22:45.41 | arghx | antnash: no it's not. and wheezy has even more kernels. |
| 22:45.47 | arghx | antnash: what kernel do you use right now? |
| 22:45.57 | somiaj | julius__: I have only seen the over ssh option. Though if the system is headless you need some sort of preeseed to automically setup the ssh connenction. I personally like to just take the harddrive out and use debootstrap |
| 22:46.04 | antnash | arghx: 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 22:46.24 | arghx | then get the 2.6.39 -686 kernel from backports |
| 22:46.30 | julius__ | somiaj, http://www.sgvulcan.com/installing-debian-using-only-ssh/ this gives you a headless install cd |
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| 22:46.37 | julius__ | somiaj, just insert and connect via ssh |
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| 22:47.28 | somiaj | julius__: ahh so they set up the preseed for you, I'll have to recall that exists if others ask. |
| 22:47.44 | julius__ | somiaj, no you have todo that yourself |
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| 22:48.08 | julius__ | but its really nice....installing from your "normal" working system something that sits in another room |
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| 22:48.27 | Woet | robokop: any experience by any chance? |
| 22:48.54 | somiaj | julius__: ahh sorry I was thinking they already had an image, as opposed to instructing you on how to make one. gotchya. |
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| 22:49.10 | Guest43941 | hi, i have moved my debian install into a raid1-lvm2 setup, and now when i boot it does not find the root partition, apparently mdadm does not assemble the md device. any hints what to do ? |
| 22:49.28 | julius__ | well, the image in the howto is pretty generic...you could offer it online |
| 22:49.29 | somiaj | julius__: yea with ide/stata -> usb bays I just use that method. |
| 22:49.38 | julius__ | after the modifications the guy made |
| 22:49.53 | somiaj | yea looks like you may need to update it for 6.0.x, but that shouldn't be to hard |
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| 22:50.20 | Guest43941 | i have put the correct ARRAY line int mdadm.conf and mdadm is available in the initramfs, and i can manually assemble the array in the initramfs. it does not happen automatically though, did i miss something ? |
| 22:50.38 | julius__ | somiaj, no you need to download the new image.....im just installing a via 533mhz box with it |
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| 22:51.12 | dr_rotflcopter | amsn bleee |
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| 22:53.05 | robokop | Woet: sorry been to long since i did that |
| 22:53.15 | Woet | robokop: no problem, will figure it out some time |
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| 23:04.25 | SuperPhly_ | Debian repository help: what is wrong with this as a source for squeeze? http://autoinstall.plesk.com/PSA_10.4.4/ |
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| 23:05.51 | somiaj | SuperPhly_: you have to point to one of the actual version of debian you are running. Note unoffical sources (like plesk) are not supported by deban. Ask plesk |
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| 23:06.43 | Guest43941 | hmm, it actually boots when i do mdadm -As, lvm, pvscan, lvchange -a y , exit, in the initramfs |
| 23:07.00 | Guest43941 | anyone can help maybe ? |
| 23:11.25 | blubberdiblub | Guest43941, exactly which device names do you use for your md arrays in mdadm.conf? |
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| 23:12.50 | jelly-home | SuperPhly_: um, that's not a correct sources.list syntax at all |
| 23:13.25 | SuperPhly_ | jelly-home: deb http://autoinstall.plesk.com/PSA_10.4.4/ squeeze all |
| 23:13.40 | SuperPhly_ | that's what i'm actually putting in there, i was just listing the URL in here for brevity |
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| 23:14.03 | somiaj | SuperPhly_: you need to point to the actual sources they have setup. I'm sure plesk has the correct syntax for their sources documented |
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| 23:15.01 | jelly-home | SuperPhly_: the right hand side is important as well. In this case, there's no http://autoinstall.plesk.com/PSA_10.4.4/dists/squeeze/ directory present there, so that's not a valid deb repo. |
| 23:15.26 | jelly-home | "contact your vendor" |
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| 23:23.13 | Guest43941 | blubberdiblub: i use the output of mdadm --detail --scan, its UUIDS |
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| 23:24.01 | blubberdiblub | Guest43941, i'm talking about the device names of the md arrays. like /dev/md1 |
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| 23:24.33 | MaryF\cknPop\ns | I can copy a dvd via dd if='/dev/sr0' of='foo.iso' correct ? |
| 23:24.34 | Guest43941 | ARRAY /dev/md/1 metadata=1.2 name=asfer:1 UUID=ccf34b6b:a01a4e4d:723ae739:c365ce43 |
| 23:24.40 | jelly-home | Guest43941: which debian release are you using? did you create md devices recently? |
| 23:24.48 | Guest43941 | squeeze |
| 23:24.53 | Guest43941 | yes, just now |
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| 23:25.22 | jelly-home | Guest43941: running an update-initramfs after changing the mdadm.conf might or might not help |
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| 23:25.35 | Guest43941 | i do that every time i change mdadm.conf |
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| 23:26.05 | blubberdiblub | Guest43941, i would suggest to use the /dev/md1 variety instead of the /dev/md/1 variety. but check first if there is a device like that under /dev/ |
| 23:26.20 | jelly-home | !debug initramfs |
| 23:26.21 | dpkg | i guess initramfsdebug is http://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug |
| 23:26.45 | Guest43941 | it seems to be related to this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/136252 |
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| 23:27.39 | blubberdiblub | Guest43941, can you try my suggestion? |
| 23:28.46 | Guest43941 | i currently have no ARRAY definitions in mdadm.conf as i read somewhere that it might be a problem with the "hostname" in mdadm.conf |
| 23:29.16 | Guest43941 | so you suggest to add the ARRAY lines for both my arrays but use /dev/md0 and /dev/md1 |
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| 23:30.02 | Guest43941 | the very weird thing is that my mdadm.conf inside the initramfs does contain ARRAY lines |
| 23:30.03 | blubberdiblub | Guest43941, yes, if /dev/md0 and /dev/md1 exist. that's what i'm doing on my NAS and it works. it's also lvm on top of md |
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| 23:30.52 | Guest43941 | i suspect update-initramfs is not copying mdadm.conf but rebuilding it from scratch |
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| 23:31.20 | Guest43941 | blubberdiblub: what did you set for your hostname ? |
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| 23:32.06 | blubberdiblub | Guest43941, what do you mean "hostname"? do you mean the "HOMEHOST <system>" line? |
| 23:32.21 | Guest43941 | yes, you have <system> in there ? |
| 23:32.39 | blubberdiblub | yes, literally <system>, including the angle brackets |
| 23:33.17 | Guest43941 | do you have DEVICE partitions in your mdadm.conf ? |
| 23:33.24 | Monotoko | hey guys... I'm trying to set up a web server with FTP access for a few private projects of mine, and a couple of friends, however I'm running into a problem because no-one can write into there home directorys from PHP scripts because the UID of apache is different to the local user... how would I make it so they can be used together?? How do the big guys do it? |
| 23:33.35 | blubberdiblub | Guest43941, yes |
| 23:33.38 | jelly-home | huh. <Guest43941> i currently have no ARRAY definitions in mdadm.conf |
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| 23:34.34 | jelly-home | yes, add them. Use whatever device name syntax you prefer, just be consistent with use thereof (/dev/mdX works for me) |
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| 23:35.37 | blubberdiblub | jelly-home, there was a time when one variety didn't work for me. don't know if this was fixed. that's why i suggested /dev/mdX to him. it's at least worth a try |
| 23:36.47 | jelly-home | there was a time when one HAD to use /dev/mapper/lvname-vgname path for root= if root was on a LV, because code in initramfs checked explicitely for /dev/mapper/*-* before doing "vgchange -ay" |
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| 23:37.11 | blubberdiblub | jelly-home, yeah, but that's another story |
| 23:37.25 | froggyman | what's the best way to do automatic updates on a debian stable server? |
| 23:37.28 | jelly-home | I don't know which failure mode is active here ;-) |
| 23:37.42 | Guest43941 | ok, lets rock, rebooting |
| 23:37.59 | abrotman | froggyman: cron-apt or apticron |
| 23:38.19 | froggyman | abrotman, are there any major differences? |
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| 23:38.29 | abrotman | read the docs |
| 23:39.30 | Guest43941 | nope, its not working |
| 23:39.49 | Guest43941 | i'm back to initramfs |
| 23:39.50 | blubberdiblub | hmm :( |
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| 23:40.42 | blubberdiblub | Guest43941, but at which point does it actually fail? has the array already been assembled or not? |
| 23:40.53 | Guest43941 | no, it does not assemble the arrays |
| 23:41.04 | Guest43941 | i run mdadm -As in initramfs and it assembles them fine |
| 23:41.23 | Guest43941 | then lvm, pvscan, vgchange -a y, exit |
| 23:41.24 | Guest43941 | and it boots |
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| 23:42.03 | Monotoko | I'm trying to set up a web server with FTP access for a few private projects of mine, and a couple of friends, I give each user a local account so they can log into FTP, SSH etc but I'm having an issue with apache (the PHP files) because it can't write to the users /htdocs directory... how would I go about making this work?? |
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| 23:42.49 | nkuttler | Monotoko: um... why use ftp at all if the users have ssh/scp? |
| 23:43.29 | Monotoko | nkuttler, because most users have no idea what SSH is... and it would still upload with the same permissions |
| 23:43.36 | Monotoko | it's the permissions issue i'm trying to solve |
| 23:43.40 | nkuttler | also, /htdocs isn't the debian way.. and configure your ftpd properly |
| 23:43.52 | nkuttler | .. if you must |
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| 23:45.07 | blubberdiblub | Guest43941, what does INITRDSTART in /etc/default/mdadm say? |
| 23:45.54 | nkuttler | Monotoko: you might also want to read about unix permissions and setgid |
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| 23:45.59 | blubberdiblub | Guest43941, and/or AUTOSTART in there |
| 23:46.15 | Guest43941 | spot on |
| 23:46.35 | jelly-home | or "dpkg-reconfigure mdadm" |
| 23:46.48 | blubberdiblub | yep, that's the one to use to change it |
| 23:47.32 | Monotoko | nkuttler, thank you! setgid looks like it would do what I need it to |
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| 23:50.41 | Guest43941 | rebooting... |
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| 23:52.41 | Guest43941 | ha it works ! even without the ARRAY lines ! |
| 23:52.51 | Guest43941 | stupid me, not checking /etc/default |
| 23:52.55 | Guest43941 | gets me every time... |
| 23:53.37 | blubberdiblub | Guest43941, i'm glad it works now :) |
| 23:53.47 | Guest43941 | thanks for your help ! |
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| 23:54.29 | Guest43941 | gotta go to bed, my 6mo old son will get up in 4 hrs :) |
| 23:54.33 | Guest43941 | thanks all ! |
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