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| 00:11.07 | mparodi | !help |
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| 00:12.44 | Monotoko | mparodi, help doesn't exist.. muhahahah |
| 00:12.52 | mparodi | Mogget, actually it does |
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| 00:13.47 | abrotman | mparodi: did you ask a quesiton ? |
| 00:13.54 | mparodi | no |
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| 00:14.01 | mparodi | argh, I meant Monotoko |
| 00:14.16 | mparodi | abrotman, no, I didn't |
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| 00:22.30 | `md | hello |
| 00:22.44 | `md | did something in unstable change regarding iptables DNAT? |
| 00:22.58 | abrotman | did you check the BTS ? |
| 00:23.09 | `md | i just set up a new router and copied the configs from the old router |
| 00:23.26 | `md | but for some reason the port forwards dont work, everything else does |
| 00:23.35 | `md | abrotman: bts? |
| 00:24.38 | `md | oh bug tracking system |
| 00:24.43 | `md | no i did not |
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| 00:26.01 | lotus-blade | is there an easy way to make a dchp xdmcp and wins server? |
| 00:26.37 | lotus-blade | sorry dhcp |
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| 00:34.25 | `md | abrotman: i did now, nothing seems to apply to my problem |
| 00:34.32 | somiaj | lotus-blade: define easy? Yes its possible, dhcpd for dhcp server, samba for the win server. Not sure about xdmcp though. |
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| 00:35.25 | lotus-blade | try tommarrow, falling asleep at keyboard and not thinking clearly right now |
| 00:36.06 | `md | dnsmasq might even be easier for dhcp |
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| 00:37.40 | mparodi | I'm trying to compile ktechlab, ./configure returns "configure: error: The important program kde-config was not found! \n Please check whether you installed KDE correctly.". any idea? |
| 00:37.54 | abrotman | mparodi: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 00:38.46 | mparodi | it's not in my repository |
| 00:38.56 | abrotman | which version of Debian ? |
| 00:39.08 | mparodi | testing |
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| 00:39.34 | abrotman | judd: file kde-config --release wheezy |
| 00:39.38 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 00:39.47 | abrotman | oh well .. no compiling |
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| 00:40.36 | mparodi | I believe there's a version of ktechlab in unstable but I couldn't install it, it's not for my architecture it seems |
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| 00:41.58 | abrotman | mparodi: oh .. try geda or xcircuit |
| 00:42.22 | mparodi | let me see |
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| 00:47.59 | ceej | hey, I'm getting : If are sure you want to downgrade to 5.1, remove the file /var/lib/mysql/debian-*.flag and try installing again. how would I remove all those files? |
| 00:48.29 | mparodi | xcircuit doesn't seems that good |
| 00:48.34 | mparodi | I will try geda now |
| 00:48.37 | mparodi | seem* |
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| 00:49.05 | ceej | I can't get rid of this error /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lmysqlclient_r |
| 00:49.19 | mparodi | rm -f /var/lib/mysql/debian-* #? |
| 00:49.22 | ceej | I've been trying all day :/ |
| 00:50.00 | ceej | https://gist.github.com/efc7d250ce3aad97cbcd |
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| 00:50.12 | ceej | mparodi: thank you |
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| 00:52.02 | ceej | still seem to get that error |
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| 00:57.29 | katronix | Hi all, I'm wanting to unzip a file and have it over write files I already have in a sub directory, is there an option to do this? Instead of it creating a new top level subdirectory? |
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| 01:02.45 | JordiGH | Sometimes when coming back from a suspend, the touchpad is dead. |
| 01:02.51 | JordiGH | Any idea how to clobber it/restart it? |
| 01:03.40 | yagoo | JordiGH, may be a module option.. try googling your laptop model with linux.. |
| 01:04.14 | yagoo | katronix, that's not a real question.. |
| 01:04.19 | yagoo | katronix, the manual says |
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| 01:08.45 | JordiGH | Hm, what kernel module controls the touchpad? |
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| 01:10.24 | JordiGH | Great, this seems to be my bug: http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/LLXmLbSTUZyvLd1ZdmGP |
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| 01:11.41 | somiaj | JordiGH: at least suspend works for you...resume crashes my kernel. :/ |
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| 01:14.25 | somiaj | JordiGH: seems evdev is the generic kernel module, do you see anything in /var/log/pm-resume.log (I belive that is what its called |
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| 01:25.32 | rawsted | abrotman: still aboot? |
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| 01:26.34 | pumafyre | virtualbox or vmware? |
| 01:26.41 | mmv | not vmware |
| 01:27.16 | pumafyre | mmv why not? |
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| 01:29.31 | abrotman | rawsted: mildly |
| 01:29.48 | rawsted | drinkin them yuenglings? :P |
| 01:30.00 | abrotman | not tonight .. |
| 01:30.55 | rawsted | so i created free space partitions on the drives that comprise the raid, created a lvm group and then a logical volume out of those partitions |
| 01:31.13 | rawsted | all seemed to be well |
| 01:31.24 | rawsted | but i can't mount the logical volume, mount is telling me i need to specify fs type |
| 01:31.28 | rawsted | i'm wondering if i missed a step |
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| 01:32.37 | abrotman | did you try -t auto ? |
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| 01:32.45 | mmv | pumafyre: this is debian, we don't advocate proprietary shitware |
| 01:32.58 | rawsted | abrotman: same story |
| 01:33.12 | rawsted | i'm really feeling like i must have missed something. |
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| 01:34.05 | rawsted | abrotman: any way to run the interactive partitioner that you get with installer ? |
| 01:34.22 | abrotman | i think that's cfdisk ... |
| 01:34.25 | abrotman | did oyu create a filesystem ? |
| 01:35.12 | rawsted | abrotman: i think not. i was under the impression that creating the logical volume was also creating a partition >< |
| 01:35.33 | abrotman | vgdisplay shows your volume ? |
| 01:35.37 | rawsted | yep |
| 01:36.17 | rawsted | abrotman: err, lvdisplay does |
| 01:36.20 | abrotman | you still have to create an actual filesystem on the volume |
| 01:36.25 | rawsted | vgdisplay does not |
| 01:36.30 | rawsted | vgdisplay shows the volume group |
| 01:36.59 | rawsted | abrotman: what do i pass cfdisk? the logical volume? |
| 01:37.03 | abrotman | at any rate .. you still have to use mkfs.ext3 or whatever you want to use to create an actual filesystem |
| 01:37.24 | rawsted | i can use cfdisk yah? |
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| 01:37.33 | abrotman | i don' tthikn you want to |
| 01:37.40 | abrotman | cfdisk is to partition, not format |
| 01:38.30 | rawsted | mkfs.ext3 /dev/group/volume ? |
| 01:38.42 | abrotman | something like that |
| 01:38.57 | rawsted | looks to be working ! |
| 01:39.25 | rawsted | say, does #debian mind off-topic? |
| 01:39.38 | abrotman | we have a #debian-offtopic |
| 01:39.46 | rawsted | i thought that might be the case. |
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| 01:41.33 | seion | hey I just installed the latest stable version of debian and on first boot it goes straight into grub rescue stating no such device : bunch of numbers and letters any suggestions? |
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| 01:45.47 | boudiccas | seion; yes, please tell us what the error message says exactly, that will help us to help you |
| 01:46.53 | somiaj | seion: also are you using lvm, encrypted file system, etc can be of use to. |
| 01:47.42 | seion | boudiccas: error: no such device: 79986e02-0efa-472f-881d-428039db7835. entering rescue mode.... grub rescue> |
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| 01:48.34 | boudiccas | hmm, never seen anything like that before! |
| 01:48.59 | jelly-home | UUIDs ftl |
| 01:49.17 | somiaj | yea seems like it put the wrong uuid in there, or for somereason isn't recalling it correctly. |
| 01:50.06 | seion | anyway to fix it from grub rescue or at least get it to boot for now |
| 01:50.07 | seion | else im doing a reinstall |
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| 01:51.01 | ceej | FFFFFUUUUUUUU |
| 01:51.23 | ceej | I've tried absolutely everything, mysql2 will not install on ubuntu |
| 01:51.34 | ceej | wasted 15 hours :/ |
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| 01:51.46 | boudiccas | ceej; sorry, we dont support ubuntu here, please ask in #ubuntu |
| 01:51.48 | jelly-home | ceej: try #ubuntu-server or ##linux channel |
| 01:52.00 | rawsted | abrotman: worked. is there a util these days for configuring /etc/fstab? |
| 01:52.08 | jelly-home | (#ubuntu is not always useful) |
| 01:52.15 | seion | lol |
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| 01:52.56 | zophy | lol |
| 01:53.16 | chrissbx | What are the correct permissions of the file /etc/exim4/passwd.client ? (user, group, bits) |
| 01:53.21 | ceej | :/ |
| 01:53.30 | zophy | come on evabody, lets have a hgreat big group lol |
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| 01:55.00 | somiaj | seion: boot up off the install cd. Open up a terminal, mount your root file system, chroot into it, fix the uuid in /etc/fstab. |
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| 01:56.23 | jelly-home | ceej: we can't help with packaging issues unless you're running actual Debian |
| 01:56.38 | jelly-home | there are ... differences |
| 01:57.20 | ceej | no problem I was in the wrong chat :) ty |
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| 01:58.37 | pumafyre | mmv: hah |
| 01:58.39 | ceej | jelly-home: is https://gist.github.com/1a816ceba7b040e3549c an ubuntu issue? |
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| 01:59.21 | abrotman | rawsted: vi ? |
| 01:59.29 | jelly-home | ceej: that's worse, it's a dotdeb issue |
| 01:59.33 | rawsted | lol abrotman i didn't think so, was just making sure |
| 01:59.56 | abrotman | ceej: get help from #ubuntu .. thank you |
| 01:59.57 | ceej | lol k….. I'll ask over there…… ty :) |
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| 02:00.33 | jelly-home | ceej: I'm not sure it's possible to downgrade mysql that way and keep the databases working AT ALL |
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| 02:04.04 | ceej | jelly-home: really? :/ |
| 02:04.39 | jelly-home | yes I'm REALLY not sure |
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| 02:09.15 | asdfaerg | Does anyone have the sensors-applet-nvidia package? http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/sensors-applet lists it as a requirement to read the temperature of Nvidia cards but I can't find it anywhere, on apt or in the package search box on the right or even google |
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| 02:16.28 | inetic | hi, I have a problem that my resolv.conf only lists my router/gateway but doesn't list the other global DNS servers as other non debian machines do on my LAN. I have my eth0 set to "iface eth0 inet dhcp", it used to work, and I can't think of any changes I've done that could have changed it. any thoughts? |
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| 02:30.21 | jhutchins_lt | asdfaerg: http://sourceforge.net http://freshmeat.net http://www.lm-sensors.org |
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| 02:30.50 | dirkson | Hey guys. We now have wine-bin and libwine. Which should I preferring? |
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| 02:32.53 | antnash | alright guys. I just installed completely bare bones, then a few things and xfce on top. I'm missing some functionality, like the ability to alt-tab and actually connect to the net from within xfce. How do I get these? |
| 02:35.22 | asdfaerg | yeah thanks, they all return zero results for "sensors-applet-nvidia" |
| 02:36.11 | dirkson | antnash: Try asking in an xfce-specific channel for the alt-tab thing. The internet thing... seems odd. |
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| 02:36.43 | antnash | that's what I thought |
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| 02:37.09 | Walzmyn | how do I get my ipod to show up like a camera (usb) so I can download pictures? |
| 02:37.30 | asdfaerg | put it into disk mode |
| 02:37.49 | Walzmyn | how do I do that? |
| 02:37.50 | asdfaerg | there's a button combo for each generation of ipod |
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| 02:38.46 | Walzmyn | I just switched from Kubuntu, and the ipod would just show up when I plugged it in. I don't know if that was default or if I'd installed something that made it do that |
| 02:40.12 | dirkson | Many ubuntus auto-mount things. Debian doesn't auto-mount by default - You may need additional software. Perhaps someone else in the channel can suggest some? |
| 02:40.59 | asdfaerg | it automounts for me, actually. I'm running Squeeze |
| 02:41.31 | Walzmyn | I've been rummaging though the repos looking for ipod related packages. One of the CLI ones will see/read the ipod, I'm just not getting it where I can move the pictures off of it |
| 02:41.56 | Walzmyn | mmm, according the my friend google, the 4g touch dosen't have a disk mode |
| 02:42.05 | dirkson | asdfaerg: You've almost certainly installed something to get that - I run squeeze on 5+ computers, and none of them automount :D |
| 02:42.07 | abrotman | did you try rhythmbox ? |
| 02:42.25 | Walzmyn | abrotman: not yet |
| 02:42.36 | abrotman | when i jacked in my brother's ipod to my gnome+rhythmbox thing .. it auto opened the app and started downloading the internet into the phone |
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| 02:43.05 | dirkson | Hmm. Apt-get install wine doesn't work, and the packages it suggests don't work. How do we install wine now? |
| 02:43.10 | Walzmyn | I'm running KDE, didn't really want to put rhythmbox on here |
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| 02:44.10 | abrotman | i'm sure kde has something that can do it .. i'm just only aware of ryhtmbothbox |
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| 02:47.12 | TTT | hi, I see there is no "sun-java7-sdk" project, does openjdk-7-sdk replace it? Is openjdk-7-sdk as complete and production ready as sun JDK? I had problems with previous versions of openjdk |
| 02:47.27 | r3m | Hi, When will the next stable be released |
| 02:47.33 | ah_kevin | #flood |
| 02:47.45 | abrotman | r3m: when it's ready .. not before .. there is no schedule |
| 02:47.57 | abrotman | TTT: as close as you'll get .. they changed the license |
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| 02:48.33 | TTT | abrotman, changed the licence as in it's illegal tu distribute oracle JDK with a distro again? |
| 02:48.48 | dirkson | Hmm. Apt-get install wine doesn't work, and the packages it suggests don't work. How do we install wine now? |
| 02:48.56 | abrotman | TTT: google it maybe .. it was on planet.debian.net awhile ago |
| 02:49.17 | r3m | abrotman: thanks, and my last question, ubuntu is more like a testing branch or a unstable branch? I would like to switch to debian but stay with the latest software version |
| 02:50.15 | abrotman | r3m: i'd say to use wheezy .. but it's still being developed .. might break on you .. |
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| 02:51.03 | dirkson | r3m: Stable is ancient, but doesn't break. Wheezy is old, but rarely breaks. Unstable is new, but breaks constantly. |
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| 02:51.13 | abrotman | it is not anceint .. don't tell people that |
| 02:51.20 | abrotman | damn liars |
| 02:51.35 | dirkson | Several years out of date is ancient in computer terms : ) Doesn't mean it's not useful. |
| 02:51.45 | abrotman | it is not several years out of date .. lying again |
| 02:51.48 | Walzmyn | oh yeah. my system is also acting like I don't have a wireless card, how do I go about fixing that? |
| 02:51.55 | abrotman | Walzmyn: what is the device? |
| 02:52.10 | mmv | abrotman: look he doesn't want to have to run linux-image-2.4 ok |
| 02:52.13 | dirkson | I've found things several years out of date in stable. Admittedly, I only tend to notice things that are a problem, so I may just be noticing outliers. |
| 02:52.16 | r3m | wheezy is old? |
| 02:52.19 | Walzmyn | emm, whatever the build in card is.... :) |
| 02:52.23 | r3m | its not the next stable? |
| 02:52.28 | abrotman | r3m: if you want newer software, use wheezy |
| 02:52.46 | r3m | abrotman: wheezy is the testing branch? |
| 02:52.50 | abrotman | currently, yes |
| 02:52.53 | r3m | ok thanks |
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| 02:55.35 | TTT | abrotman, stupid oracle. At java 5 & 6 sun had binary licenses that would allow distribution... Now it's all screwed up again |
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| 02:56.08 | abrotman | TTT: yeah .. well .. yay orcale |
| 02:56.09 | abrotman | oracle |
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| 02:56.52 | dirkson | pokes despondently at the POS java apps he has to deal with, "Perhaps we can just make people stop writing these damn things in Java." |
| 02:57.09 | mmv | uni has entrenched java :< |
| 02:57.24 | jelly-home | java's nice |
| 02:57.31 | TTT | pokes at stupid coworkers that write shit code. Language isn't much of a problem |
| 02:57.36 | jelly-home | exactly |
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| 02:58.38 | dirkson | True. But something like Python enforces some better code practices. And something like C massively penalizes bad coding practices. (Segfault! ^.^ ) |
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| 02:59.01 | abrotman | yeah .. python and java never segfault .. |
| 03:00.00 | dirkson | *thinks* I have the opinion that C segfaults a lot more than either of those two, but I could be mistaken - I code in C most, python a tiny amount, and java not at all. |
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| 03:00.35 | TTT | dirkson, python or C won't enforce well defined interfaces, separation of concerns, etc. and these are the coding practices that matter |
| 03:01.03 | TTT | it won't enforce decent architecture |
| 03:01.12 | dirkson | C doesn't enforce anything, it'll just blow up easier if you do it wrong :D |
| 03:01.13 | TTT | that has to be done by good men |
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| 03:01.17 | mmv | hmm, in my experience aside from C+Python projects, i haven't experienced a python segfault |
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| 03:01.52 | TTT | I've seen java VMs blow up, but that happens rarely and you have to be doing something quite strange for it to happen |
| 03:02.16 | dirkson | That's my experience as well. I thought python was quite good at not letting the user blow himself up too easily. |
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| 03:03.04 | dirkson | My main interaction with Java apps is trying to run the Minecraft client/server. Both leak memory at about 1gb/hour. |
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| 03:03.48 | TTT | that might be rubbish code as well- you can leak RAM in any language |
| 03:04.17 | dirkson | Yup, very true. |
| 03:04.19 | skilz | I have an IBM Thinkpad G40 and I cannot use the Volume +/- or Mute keys, when I run xev and press the keys, they are not detected. I have also check the thinkwiki page and been unable to find any information on the topic. |
| 03:04.40 | abrotman | skilz: you want the tpb package .. read the docs |
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| 03:05.16 | skilz | abrotman, Thanks man, I was looking everywhere for that |
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| 03:05.38 | abrotman | skilz: i only know because i had a g40 :) |
| 03:05.45 | symptom | been trying to install debian 6.0.3 netinst on virtualbox 4.1.2 and it continues to fail after the packages are downloaded and a few have been installed. Any thoughts? |
| 03:05.50 | symptom | checksum passes |
| 03:06.34 | skilz | abrotman, Ah, great little laptop, picked it up from my local pawn show 3 weeks back for $100. Solid as a rock and the battery holds charge for a little over 2 hours :) |
| 03:06.36 | dirkson | Seriously, how the hell am I intended to install wine now? :D apt-get install wine blathers on about two separate things that have no installation candidate. |
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| 03:07.01 | abrotman | use aptitude? |
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| 03:07.36 | dirkson | abrotman: Ok, now Aptitude complains about no installation candidates :D |
| 03:08.21 | abrotman | using unstable? |
| 03:08.33 | dirkson | No, using testing 64bit |
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| 03:09.01 | dirkson | Actually, I guess I could just tell it to install the unstable version. Good idea! |
| 03:09.22 | abrotman | probably not .. but you odn't seem to care .. have fun |
| 03:09.42 | jelly-home | dirkson: both "wine" and "wine-unstable" in Debian are horribly old. |
| 03:09.46 | dirkson | Admittedly, the unstable version seems massively out of date. That won't work for my purposes, so I guess I'm left installing the deliberately broken 1.3 |
| 03:09.49 | jelly-home | build from source |
| 03:09.59 | dirkson | jelly-home: Just noticed that :D |
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| 03:10.47 | abrotman | !tell Seion1 about root |
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| 03:11.33 | jelly-home | !tell dirkson about wine-unstable |
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| 03:12.09 | dirkson | jelly-home: Yup, those are the deliberately-broken builds I'm currently installing |
| 03:12.11 | jelly-home | dirkson: you can try using source package from there after you verify the tarball and the patches contain no malware |
| 03:12.26 | jelly-home | broken? |
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| 03:12.40 | dirkson | jelly-home: "No, I won't make a repo". |
| 03:12.58 | jelly-home | dirkson: but the builds do not seem to be broken |
| 03:13.07 | jelly-home | it's just there is no repo |
| 03:13.30 | dirkson | jelly-home: In this case, it's the usual apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade "Update my system" workflow that gets broken : ) |
| 03:13.41 | jelly-home | but not the builds |
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| 03:14.25 | jelly-home | if you wanted, you could download all the files and put them in a local repo |
| 03:14.26 | dirkson | Admittedly, I don't /really/ do that very often, so I guess I shouldn't care as much as I do. I just find it frustrating when people deliberately do things wrong because I "shouldn't" be doing things. I'm a big boy, I make my own decisions - Don't try to make them for me. |
| 03:14.56 | skilz | abrotman, I just have one more small question, as I am reading the manual for tpb in the mixer section, I cannot figure out how to make it use PCM for the mixer control, as the volume is not affected as is. |
| 03:15.01 | jelly-home | dirkson: so you'd rather build it on your own? |
| 03:15.22 | dirkson | jelly-home: No, I'd rather have a repository available, and choose whether or not I trust the repository. |
| 03:15.48 | jelly-home | no, you'd trust it blindly |
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| 03:16.11 | jelly-home | which is EXACTLY what this builder is trying to persuade you not to |
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| 03:17.21 | dirkson | jelly-home: I'd make an educated guess, based on my security needs and the general trustworthiness of the source. In fact, since he provides packages anyway, nothing would change, except that I could use apt-get to upgrade wine. |
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| 03:18.54 | dirkson | jelly-home: I'm already subjecting him to more scrutiny than my entire bloody OS got. What more can he ask for? :D |
| 03:19.16 | jelly-home | sigh |
| 03:19.34 | jelly-home | comfort trumps security |
| 03:20.31 | jelly-home | good thing you're running an obscure platform, so the random binaries you're using are probably not malware infested |
| 03:21.24 | dirkson | jelly-home: It's all a game of guesswork and percentages. If I NEEDED strong security, I would be investing much more effort into making my own LFS, compiling everything from source, and manually reading all the source code I chose to include. Since I don't need that level of security, I can make some educated guesses and trust some people, like the people behind the debian repos. I mean, hell, YOU use apt-get. How do you know your bina |
| 03:22.00 | skilz | $ sudo tpb -m on |
| 03:22.00 | skilz | Unable to open mixer device /dev/mixer: No such file or directory |
| 03:22.04 | abrotman | why does compiling from source make it more secure ? |
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| 03:22.05 | skilz | Think im using pulseaudio |
| 03:22.17 | abrotman | skilz: snd_pcm_oss needs to be loade d.. or sometihng like that |
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| 03:22.28 | dirkson | abrotman: Because I can read the source first, and (probably) see if there's something hinky going on. |
| 03:22.37 | abrotman | uhhuh .. |
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| 03:22.51 | dirkson | abrotman: However, there are some amazing tricks that could even defeat that - See the obfucated C contest. |
| 03:22.53 | abrotman | skilz: or maybe snd_pcm_mixer .. |
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| 03:23.09 | abrotman | dirkson: you're convincing yourself .. i already know you're a bullshitter .. |
| 03:23.17 | TTT | http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TheKenThompsonHack |
| 03:23.20 | TTT | read this |
| 03:23.23 | jelly-home | dirkson: my sources could all be signed with keys present on the installation media that had correct checksums downloaded from https://www.debian.org/ ? |
| 03:23.27 | TTT | a whole new level of paranoia :) |
| 03:23.36 | skilz | abrotman, How do I do that? modprobe snd_pcm_mixer ? |
| 03:23.37 | dirkson | abrotman: If you think I'm wrong, tell me how. I love to be proven wrong, it means I'm learning something : ) |
| 03:23.38 | jelly-home | dirkson: (note: actually they're not ;-) |
| 03:23.42 | TTT | jelly-home, and you'd be using binary compiler :) |
| 03:23.47 | abrotman | skilz: yes |
| 03:23.52 | abrotman | dirkson: have fun |
| 03:24.19 | dirkson | jelly-home: So? Even if they were, that merely means that you trust the people who put them into debian. You've just transferred blind-ish trust, you haven't eliminated it. |
| 03:24.23 | jelly-home | TTT: yes we all read Reflections on Trusting Trust |
| 03:24.38 | skilz | FATAL: Module snd_pcm_mixer not found. |
| 03:24.55 | jelly-home | dirkson: yep. But I don't trust the random guy on web who says he's a DD |
| 03:25.13 | gentz | Does debian testing send any other information other than via popularity contest? |
| 03:25.15 | abrotman | skilz: snd_mixer_oss or snd_pcm_oss .. one of those |
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| 03:26.25 | skilz | $ sudo modprobe snd_pcm_oss |
| 03:26.26 | skilz | FATAL: Module snd_pcm_oss not found. |
| 03:26.26 | skilz | skilz@blackbox:~$ sudo modprobe snd_mixer_oss |
| 03:26.26 | skilz | FATAL: Module snd_mixer_oss not found |
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| 03:26.30 | dirkson | jelly-home: We both agree that the ideal situation is that debian includes wine in it, and we can reduce the number of people to trust. |
| 03:26.57 | SuperPhly_ | why does munin try to create it's reports in /var/www/munin instead of /var/cache/munin |
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| 03:27.08 | SuperPhly_ | i'm getting some cron job errors |
| 03:27.39 | jelly-home | dirkson: correct! I expect your ITP soon. |
| 03:27.53 | dirkson | jelly-home: ITP? |
| 03:27.56 | jelly-home | !ITP |
| 03:27.56 | dpkg | Intent To Package (ITP) is a Debian <bug> filed against the <wnpp> pseudo-package, to indicate someone is working on packaging a piece of software for Debian. This is done to avoid a duplication of work. |
| 03:28.03 | abrotman | i'm sure the wine team has an RFH |
| 03:28.20 | jelly-home | !RFH |
| 03:28.37 | dirkson | jelly-home: Sadly, I don't really have the time or experience to fix that sort of bug. |
| 03:28.40 | lxs-makoto | anybody able to advise on samba? i need to use a resource at school on the network on //exampleserver\StudentData\makoto\ |
| 03:28.58 | abrotman | but he's going to read the code ... |
| 03:29.04 | jelly-home | abrotman: I'd give'em Hell if they weren't AWOL! |
| 03:29.11 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 03:33.23 | dirkson | Actually, that brings to mind a good point - How many lines of code are there in wine? You appear to have installed this, jelly - Did you read them all? |
| 03:33.51 | lxs-makoto | ugh nevermind. i don't have the workgroup or domain to hand. windows networking is very weird. |
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| 03:36.41 | jelly-home | dirkson: no, I stuffed them into a local repo and did not whine about it |
| 03:37.12 | jelly-home | because I understood where the author's coming from and where his line of trust is drawn |
| 03:37.16 | dirkson | jelly-home: *laughs* So you're attacking me for trusting the guy when you yourself trust the guy? :D |
| 03:37.51 | abrotman | you're the one that said you were going to read the code .. not him |
| 03:37.51 | jelly-home | dirkson: no, I'm ridiculing the whining. |
| 03:37.56 | dirkson | abrotman: Er... Did I? *looks up at his own statements* |
| 03:38.27 | jelly-home | <dirkson> jelly-home: "No, I won't make a repo". |
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| 03:39.21 | TTT | ok, it's 3:38 am here, time for bed. |
| 03:39.26 | dirkson | abrotman: I mentioned something kinda like that when I mentioned that "If I needed security....", but I don't really need the epic-levels of security that that statement was predicated on. If I did, I couldn't use debian. |
| 03:39.33 | TTT | thanks for help, bye bye |
| 03:39.49 | dirkson | jelly-home: I was paraphrasing the dev when I said that. Sorry if it was confusing. |
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| 03:43.04 | jelly-home | and my apologies for invoking this compeletely needlessly |
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| 03:46.32 | skilz | abrotman, I have oss-compat installed but can't load the modules.. |
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| 03:47.37 | skilz | Also this system is using pulseaudio and I use alsamixer to change the volume for PCM. I think tpb is trying to use OSS not PCM or pulseaudio (just an uneducated guess). |
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| 03:48.39 | yagoo | aynbody have full-screen refresh with bash color? (yes I have color it works. I hate to do "clear" after running an app-- the background gets cropped after running an app-- NO docs tend to show how to resolve even with the \8 \9 and positioning calls) |
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| 03:50.02 | seion | I just installed the nvidia drivers the "debian way" and nvidia-glx which works now but I cant get my other monitor to work so that I have dual monitors, google not helping to much yet |
| 03:52.04 | yagoo | seion, does it say "connected" (hardware cable only) for the monitor ports in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 03:54.42 | seion | --) Nov 19 22:46:49 NVIDIA(0): Connected display device(s) on GeForce 8800 GT at PCI:1:0:0: (--) Nov 19 22:46:49 NVIDIA(0): Samsung SyncMaster (CRT-1) (--) Nov 19 22:46:49 NVIDIA(0): LG W1952 (DFP-0) |
| 03:54.56 | seion | yagoo: |
| 03:55.14 | seion | samsung is the one im trying to get to work |
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| 03:58.59 | yagoo | seion, apt-get install pastebinit; cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log|pastebinit -t mylog |
| 03:59.04 | yagoo | (show me the url) |
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| 04:00.30 | seion | http://pastebin.com/YSxfHWnv |
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| 04:05.23 | seion | yagoo: |
| 04:05.23 | dpkg | oldparr is currently on #debian (9m 56s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '!seen OldParr'. |
| 04:05.53 | yagoo | seion, it says RandR enabled, did you try an xrandr command ? |
| 04:06.39 | seion | root@seion:/home/seion# xrandr xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default Screen 0: minimum 320 x 175, current 1440 x 900, maximum 1440 x 900 default connected 1440x900+0+0 0mm x 0mm |
| 04:06.50 | seion | then has a bunch of other sizes |
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| 04:07.46 | Paijo | Good working |
| 04:07.58 | yagoo | seion, does that output say anything about crt-1 ? |
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| 04:08.07 | seion | nope |
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| 04:10.18 | yagoo | seion, cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf |pastebinit -t myxorgconf |
| 04:10.34 | yagoo | (if you have an xorg.conf file) |
| 04:11.00 | yagoo | which u should because there's ** in the var log |
| 04:11.04 | seion | yagoo: http://pastebin.com/q6iKpX6w |
| 04:11.08 | abrotman | !tell yagoo about u |
| 04:11.11 | seion | i added the monitor1 in there |
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| 04:13.57 | yagoo | seion, you'll also need a new screen section- screen1, then line 7 would be different to include screen1 |
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| 04:15.46 | seion | how would line 7 look |
| 04:16.07 | yagoo | seion, if i were you, i'd do a lazy thing like i always do :).. i'd make a sample using "X -configure" then check ~/xorg.conf.new (/root account)-- but gdm has to be stopped, then i'd compare this sample to the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file |
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| 04:17.01 | belak | Is there a firewall enabled by default in debian? |
| 04:17.25 | abrotman | nope |
| 04:17.30 | yagoo | seion, i'm guessing maybe something like ->Screen 0 "Screen0" "Screen1" 0 1 |
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| 04:17.49 | Paijo | Belak:i don't think so |
| 04:18.21 | sauvin | By default, debian also doesn't have a lot of stuff running you'd need a firewall *for*. |
| 04:19.22 | belak | I'm just trying to figure out why my samba share can't be mounted from home... |
| 04:19.45 | seion | yagoo: hows this look http://pastebin.com/cvzs9Nfb |
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| 04:19.59 | mmv | hmm, is it a good idea to use smb over the internet? |
| 04:20.49 | yagoo | seion, you can try it like that.. |
| 04:21.09 | abrotman | mmv: it won't work |
| 04:21.19 | belak | I just need a way of mounting it as a separate drive remotely |
| 04:21.27 | belak | (in windows) |
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| 04:21.31 | yagoo | seion, not sure about the option "primary".. and the left of on line 44 |
| 04:21.38 | seion | yagoo: invoke-rc.d gdm3 restart when ever i run this command it sits at black screen with a curser blinking but nothing else |
| 04:22.03 | seion | yagoo: and never restarts I have to startx from another window |
| 04:22.27 | stew | seion: run it with nohup |
| 04:22.39 | seion | yagoo: ? |
| 04:22.49 | yagoo | seion, the log would say |
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| 04:28.23 | mmv | abrotman: oh, why not? |
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| 04:28.57 | yagoo | mmv, smb is made for lan |
| 04:29.09 | seion | yagoo: didnt work and didnt event startx when computer rebooted |
| 04:29.26 | seion | yagoo: X -configure failed too |
| 04:30.20 | yagoo | mmv, you can use ssh.. it comes with a default sftp subsystem (filezilla client is avail on mac/win/linux)-- you can also use nautilus and konqueror to do sftp |
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| 04:31.23 | abrotman | mmv: by itself, it's not a routable protocol |
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| 04:33.43 | mmv | abrotman: ahh |
| 04:36.10 | skilz | WHats a good lite/free vnc view and server? |
| 04:38.09 | Rusty1 | xtightvnc |
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| 04:40.22 | mach | what is a good application to configure your screen/monitor? |
| 04:40.32 | mach | I normally use nvidia-settings but this machine doesn't have an nvidia card |
| 04:40.34 | abrotman | to do what ? |
| 04:40.59 | mach | I know tomorrow I'll be hooking up this laptop to an external monitor via HDMI |
| 04:41.09 | mach | I don't want to have to tinker with xorg.conf LOL |
| 04:41.17 | abrotman | probably just use xrandr |
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| 04:42.20 | mach | does that have a GUI? |
| 04:42.37 | abrotman | there's grandr if you needa GUI |
| 04:43.53 | mach | cool |
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| 04:55.36 | cnz|skyrim | stupid question, but what software do you guys recommand to use to be able to remote desktop into a debian box |
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| 04:58.19 | Rusty1 | ssh -X, Xming if from windows |
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| 04:59.18 | cnz|skyrim | never heardof xming |
| 04:59.32 | yagoo | cnz|skyrim, i recommend the free nomachine's nx.. you can do different protocols with the nx client.. |
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| 05:00.03 | cnz|skyrim | hhmm |
| 05:00.23 | skilz | cnz|skyrim, tightvncserver |
| 05:00.24 | cnz|skyrim | pretty easy to setup, and btw the pc is running windows that I will be remote desktoping from |
| 05:00.37 | skilz | and xtightvncviewer |
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| 05:02.40 | skilz | Any program to change brightness and contrast settings for g40 thinkpad, im using fluxbox not gnome |
| 05:03.12 | mu | Hello I'm a bit new to debian, running Debian 6 on a server, how do I perform a system update? |
| 05:03.42 | skilz | mu, apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 05:03.49 | mu | Mainly I ask because debian is not rolling-release... am I going to be getting updates for programs regualrly at all? |
| 05:04.15 | mu | skilz: Thanks, I was wondering what update did. I guess it syncs the repos |
| 05:04.16 | mmv | mu: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 05:04.25 | mmv | mu: you'll get security updates |
| 05:04.27 | skilz | mu, sure does |
| 05:04.40 | mu | Oh alright |
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| 05:04.54 | mu | Thanks for the bit of help |
| 05:05.19 | skilz | upgrade will upgrade your software |
| 05:05.24 | mu | Yep! |
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| 05:09.36 | pumafyre | mu and mmv what's the difference between apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and aptitude update && aptitude upgrade? |
| 05:12.13 | yagoo | pumafyre, they all use the apt.conf and the dpkg database. aptitude and apt-get differ on how to resolve dependencies. it's pretty much that. apt-get update simply updates the indexes of available packages online |
| 05:12.48 | mu | I kind of just assumed apt-get was an alias for aptitude |
| 05:12.52 | mu | am I wrong? |
| 05:12.55 | yagoo | pumafyre, aptitude is supposed to be the successor of apt-get i believe.. but people still tend to use it |
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| 05:13.09 | yagoo | mu, apt-get isnt an alias |
| 05:13.14 | sauvin | aptitude is a front end to apt-gert |
| 05:13.17 | sauvin | apt-get even. |
| 05:13.23 | mu | Alright |
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| 05:13.49 | sauvin | (at least, iirc) |
| 05:14.01 | mu | I really only have experience with arch/gentoo, so Debian is a bit of a change of scenery |
| 05:14.18 | pumafyre | yagoo: thank you |
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| 05:14.50 | mu | http://wiki.debian.org/ the preferred wiki? |
| 05:14.55 | sauvin | mu, the best favour you can do yourself, given your background, is to stick with what the repos provide. Compiling your own stuff could bugger up the package manager. |
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| 05:16.49 | yagoo | says btw there's aptitude update << :) |
| 05:17.19 | yagoo | if you do aptitude update, you don't need to do apt-get update.. |
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| 05:18.00 | mu | sauvin: Uh, I wasn't going to compile anything the repo can provide |
| 05:18.02 | yagoo | !refcard |
| 05:18.02 | dpkg | A short reference of Debian commands - quite useful for someone new to Debian - can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/refcard/refcard.en.pdf and packaged for Debian as debian-refcard. See also <grounding>, <vim refcard>. |
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| 05:18.56 | yagoo | mu, one command i like to use is, dpkg -L <packagename> .. it's like a mandatory command for me.. helps to uncover where to checkout sample configs etc.. |
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| 05:19.24 | mu | yeah I'm reading about dpkg and other utilities now |
| 05:19.32 | mu | Honestly the goal for the moment is to set up nginx |
| 05:19.43 | mu | Normally I like to refer to a distro-specific wiki to do it |
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| 05:21.25 | arghx | ,vesions nginx |
| 05:21.39 | arghx | ,versions nginx |
| 05:21.42 | judd | Package: nginx on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-backports: 0.7.67-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.7.67-3; squeeze-backports: 1.1.0-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.1.4-2; sid: 1.1.8-1 |
| 05:21.56 | karlpinc | !readme.debian |
| 05:21.57 | dpkg | README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration. |
| 05:21.59 | cnz|skyrim | skilz: tightvncserver is over 2years outdated |
| 05:22.02 | yagoo | mu, there's more options with backports and bleeding edge stuff http://wiki.debian.org/Nginx |
| 05:22.17 | cnz|skyrim | im looking for something more current and that's still updated |
| 05:22.19 | mu | bleeding edge on Debian? How!? |
| 05:22.27 | yagoo | !bpo |
| 05:22.27 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <bdo key> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
| 05:22.49 | yagoo | mu, it's called backports.. it's stable enough to use, and has gone through testing.. |
| 05:23.03 | karlpinc | !tell cnz|skyrim about overview |
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| 05:23.35 | mu | yagoo: Nah, I need bleeding edge without the stability |
| 05:23.37 | yagoo | mu, i'm mentioning it because i see there's quite some things cut and differences between light/full nginx and bpo.. it can look complicating |
| 05:23.48 | karlpinc | !tell mu about moving target |
| 05:24.23 | mu | http://wiki.debian.org/Backports I'm going to follow this |
| 05:25.03 | karlpinc | mu: Might go straight to the source: http://backports.debian.org/ |
| 05:26.52 | mu | That works too |
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| 05:30.17 | yagoo | mu, rtfm that works too :p |
| 05:30.50 | mu | I'm doing it! |
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| 05:31.32 | gavino | :) |
| 05:31.48 | gavino | ah debian, I thought it obsoleted by archlinux, but I guess not |
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| 05:33.40 | mmv | it is, we're just watching for the arch devs to provide a conversion method |
| 05:34.11 | mu | It looks like I'd prefer to use Wheezy instead of Backports for nginx |
| 05:34.17 | mu | Looking at the features listing on the wiki |
| 05:34.41 | arghx | mu: do not mix different debian branches unless you like reinstalls. |
| 05:34.54 | mu | eh but I just added backports and installed nginx through that |
| 05:34.54 | mmv | you could just compile nginx yourself |
| 05:34.58 | arghx | mu: what does the wheezy version have that backports doesn't? |
| 05:35.13 | mu | SSL support |
| 05:35.31 | mu | which seems kind of odd, perhaps I'm misreading it |
| 05:36.27 | arghx | mu: which wiki article? |
| 05:36.34 | mu | http://wiki.debian.org/Nginx |
| 05:37.57 | SuperPhly_ | anyone in here have any comments on greyhole for debian? |
| 05:38.48 | karlpinc | SuperPhly_: What's it do, greylist? |
| 05:39.18 | SuperPhly_ | OK, it's kinda funky… it pools drives together into a single storage point using samba. |
| 05:39.36 | mu | am I wrong? Does backports nginx have SSL? |
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| 05:39.38 | SuperPhly_ | karlpinc: it's apparently pretty mature and 'robust', but it's kinda odd. |
| 05:40.18 | yagoo | SuperPhly, that looks interesting.. however i should say that about 2 weeeks ago.. i was able to install debian6 on raid1 right off the install cd.. |
| 05:40.44 | yagoo | SuperPhly, mdadm has been in development for years.. i dont see how they can simply say it can replace raid1.. |
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| 05:40.58 | yagoo | SuperPhly, also intel is a big developer behind mdadm as well |
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| 05:41.47 | arghx | mu: you're apparently not wrong. you could do your own backport if you want |
| 05:42.04 | yagoo | lol.. what greyhole isn't.. i'm baffled.. |
| 05:42.27 | SuperPhly_ | yagoo: i'm not using it as a replacement for raid1… more of a replacement of LVM |
| 05:42.34 | mu | It seems really odd that at this point nginx doesn't have SSL support |
| 05:42.45 | SuperPhly_ | a LV is destroyed if a single drive fails |
| 05:42.54 | yagoo | SuperPhly_, i think it was saying what it isnt.. i'm a little confused it uses the term pools.. |
| 05:42.54 | mmv | 'using samba' makes it definitely not a replacement for LVM or mdadm |
| 05:43.07 | SuperPhly_ | however, with Greyhole, if a single drive fails with greyhole, i haven't lost ALL my data |
| 05:43.44 | SuperPhly_ | it's not meant to be used for data redundancy. |
| 05:43.49 | karlpinc | SuperPhly_: An lv is not destroyed if a single drive fails if you put on top of a raid array. |
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| 05:44.01 | gavino | hmm |
| 05:44.09 | SuperPhly_ | karlpinc: right, but i don't have that luxury. |
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| 05:44.11 | karlpinc | SuperPhly_: (For raid > 1) |
| 05:44.26 | mmv | LVM has it's own mirroring, too, so you don't even need to layer LVM ontop of RAID |
| 05:44.34 | karlpinc | SuperPhly_: There is no substitute for backup. |
| 05:44.44 | lfs | I unmounted a USB hard drive using the command umount /dev/sdc1 but the drive must still be mounted because I can save a file to it using text editor. |
| 05:44.53 | SuperPhly_ | karlpinc: i'm mirroring offsite, non mission critical data |
| 05:45.02 | lfs | So Like how do unmount the drive? |
| 05:45.04 | yagoo | SuperPhly, looks like the same thing can be accomplished with a file monitor, looks like it just mirrors files across drives.. |
| 05:45.04 | arghx | lfs: "mount" |
| 05:45.24 | lfs | ??? |
| 05:45.39 | karlpinc | lfs: Perhaps you are just saving the file to the directory that's the mount point? |
| 05:45.45 | SuperPhly_ | yagoo: it gives me a single place to put files without having to worry about WHERE the file end up… i don't want to have /storage/drive1, /storage/drive2 |
| 05:45.47 | SuperPhly_ | i want /storage |
| 05:45.48 | karlpinc | lfs: Type "mount". |
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| 05:45.54 | lfs | mount |
| 05:45.56 | SuperPhly_ | and have it the size of the total disks |
| 05:46.07 | arghx | lfs: at a debian shell prompt |
| 05:46.26 | yagoo | lfs, if you type mount<enter> and its not listed, make sure no other filesystems from that usb are mounted if you want to disconnect that usb |
| 05:46.40 | lfs | /dev/sdc1 on /media/FreeAgent GoFlex Drive type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096) |
| 05:46.45 | lfs | Still mounted |
| 05:47.06 | supaplex | umount /dev/sdc1 to unmount it. |
| 05:47.17 | lfs | Did that already |
| 05:47.20 | arghx | lfs: run umount as root |
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| 05:47.30 | lfs | Did that |
| 05:47.36 | supaplex | !nothing happens |
| 05:47.51 | willzzz89 | is there a way via apt to upgrade debian 32-bit to 64-bit via apt!? (The hardware support it). |
| 05:47.52 | arghx | lfs: and it sounds like it got automounted by your automounter (gnome or similar). unmount it in gnome |
| 05:47.53 | lfs | The icon left the desktop' |
| 05:48.06 | karlpinc | SuperPhly_: Suck it up and use rsync with hard links to backup to the remote site. Buy some big slow drives. (use rsnapshot, dirvish, rsync or whatever). If you accidently delete data no amount of raid is going to save you. |
| 05:48.06 | yagoo | willzzz89, i dont think so. |
| 05:48.14 | karlpinc | willzzz89: no. |
| 05:48.30 | willzzz89 | what would be the way |
| 05:48.34 | lfs | How do unmount it in Gnome? |
| 05:48.55 | karlpinc | !tell willzzz89 about aptitude clone |
| 05:48.56 | yagoo | willzzz89, well if an upgrade isnt the way.. then logically a non-upgrade would be the way.. I guess i just figured that out :) |
| 05:49.12 | karlpinc | willzzz89: Then restore other stuff from backup. |
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| 05:50.15 | willzzz89 | does it support netboot? |
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| 05:50.48 | yagoo | willzzz89, says so here.. http://www.debian.org/ |
| 05:50.54 | yagoo | "Network install" |
| 05:51.15 | willzzz89 | i need to research this deeply |
| 05:51.19 | yagoo | thats ok |
| 05:51.22 | willzzz89 | i'm @ home away from data-centre and sunday is the big day |
| 05:51.25 | arghx | willzzz89: yes it does. /msg dpkg ig |
| 05:51.28 | willzzz89 | instead of monday of our db server's |
| 05:51.45 | arghx | willzzz89: and /msg dpkg ssh install |
| 05:51.48 | yagoo | willzzz89, you can also netboot in vmware |
| 05:52.01 | willzzz89 | good except that specific machine isn't on vmware |
| 05:52.20 | arghx | but I strongly hope it's not _this_ sunday aka "today" where you have to do it all on a live server. you need to practice first to know how it works |
| 05:52.23 | yagoo | willzzz89, no i'm saying for you.. the idea is to have fun. |
| 05:52.50 | SuperPhly_ | karlpinc: HRMPH… ok… http://goo.gl/WIsfP |
| 05:53.07 | willzzz89 | arghx, i forgot... it's still Saturday in the new world until 53min ago/. ;) |
| 05:53.27 | arghx | willzzz89: if you need to do it today: forget installing debian |
| 05:53.43 | arghx | at least on a real live enterprise server across the network |
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| 05:56.43 | lfs | I unmounted from Gnome desktop and now mount command does not see the dev/sdc1 but I can still save files to it with the text editor. |
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| 05:57.08 | lfs | procbususb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) |
| 05:57.13 | lfs | Maybe that is it. |
| 05:57.18 | gavino | burp |
| 05:57.38 | gavino | enterprise such marketingspeak its funny |
| 05:58.35 | supaplex | job security in disguise? :p |
| 05:58.46 | yagoo | lfs, could it be that you're using vmware/virtualbox ? |
| 05:59.56 | lfs | Should I do umount /proc/bus/usb ? |
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| 06:00.04 | cnz|skyrim | question, I have rpcbind running but when I try to uninstall rpcbind it says it's not installed any questions? |
| 06:00.09 | supaplex | lfs: negative |
| 06:00.28 | lfs | So how to unmount it? |
| 06:00.29 | arghx | cnz|skyrim: do you know what binary your rpcbind process uses? |
| 06:00.32 | somiaj | cnz|skyrim: how was it installed then? Does the package have another name than just rpcbind? dpkg -l to try and find it. |
| 06:00.58 | arghx | somiaj: dpkg -l won't help, dpkg -S does |
| 06:01.05 | cnz|skyrim | somiaj: it was installed by default when installing debian |
| 06:01.35 | supaplex | lfs: when you unmount it as root, does it print a message? grep /dev/sdc1 /proc/mounts - maybe /etc/mtab is stale/read-only-filesystem/immutable |
| 06:02.12 | supaplex | !tell lfs about don't work |
| 06:02.12 | somiaj | arghx: Well it could be used had it a similar name, but yes dpkg -S is the better suggestion given you know the binary. (: |
| 06:02.13 | lfs | Debian:/home/lfs# umount /dev/sdc1 |
| 06:02.13 | lfs | Debian:/home/lfs# |
| 06:02.28 | supaplex | okay. that helps. echo $? |
| 06:02.32 | arghx | lfs: no message means "no error" |
| 06:02.44 | somiaj | cnz|skyrim: well figure out what the package name is called, listen to arghx suggestion of dpkg -S |
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| 06:03.17 | lfs | But it must still be mounted because the text editor saves files to it. |
| 06:03.18 | supaplex | and, it's still not in 'mount' right? anything interesting in dmesg? (ask dpkg about paste instead of pasting too much here) |
| 06:04.08 | lfs | procbususb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) What is this thingy? |
| 06:04.24 | supaplex | usbfs is a virtual filesystem. |
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| 06:05.03 | lfs | Is that how the text editor is writing to the USB drive? |
| 06:05.33 | cnz|skyrim | it's portmap |
| 06:06.09 | supaplex | lfs, are you saving to /proc/bus/usb ? I doubt it allows writes (don't try writing there, you're likely to cause an issue if it works) |
| 06:06.33 | yagoo | lfs, dpkg -l|grep vmwa , or dpkg -l|grep virtualb |
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| 06:07.40 | supaplex | cat /proc/mounts but /msg dpkg paste (only paste the url) |
| 06:07.47 | cnz|skyrim | somiaj: I can just remove portmap right as it's not needed? |
| 06:08.26 | simonlnu | it's a supaplex :) |
| 06:08.39 | supaplex | sup simonlnu :) |
| 06:08.49 | lfs | ii xserver-xorg-video-vmware 1:10.16.2-1 X.Org X server -- VMware display driver |
| 06:08.54 | somiaj | cnz|skyrim: I don't see any package by that name here. aptitude show portmap should tell you about it. You make the decision. It will warn you if you try to take away something critical. It will also remove anything that depends on it, so pay attention to that. |
| 06:09.10 | lfs | Should I get rid of that? |
| 06:09.28 | simonlnu | not much, chillin' out after a nice social at the nearby rez |
| 06:09.46 | yagoo | lfs, lsof |grep -i sdc1 |
| 06:09.58 | supaplex | simonlnu: cool cool. |
| 06:10.06 | lfs | lfs@Debian:~$ lsof |grep -i sdc1 |
| 06:10.07 | lfs | lfs@Debian:~$ |
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| 06:10.13 | yagoo | (i shuld of said to use -i with grep.. sometimes there's Vmware<> named packages) |
| 06:10.39 | supaplex | yagoo: I think lspci would be more telling. :) |
| 06:10.48 | cnz|skyrim | somiaj: when i did aptitude remove portmap it tells me it's going to remove the package nfs-common |
| 06:11.01 | yagoo | well actually i do get results alot referring to forums when people mention usbfs -- vmware |
| 06:11.21 | yagoo | cuse i know vmware can pickup usb devices for their vm machines.. |
| 06:11.29 | somiaj | cnz|skyrim: that means the package nfs-common is dependent on portmap. |
| 06:12.38 | cnz|skyrim | right, but is nfs-common needed ? |
| 06:13.01 | supaplex | yagoo: interesting. I have /proc/bus/usb but no usbfs in use. let's throw a flash stick in and see what happens. |
| 06:13.32 | supaplex | cnz|skyrim: not unless you've used nfs, and if you don't know, it's safe to say you haven't. |
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| 06:14.19 | cnz|skyrim | supaplex: i guess if I ever need it, it can be reinstalled |
| 06:14.22 | somiaj | cnz|skyrim: nfs is network file system. If you dont use it then no. |
| 06:14.37 | cnz|skyrim | somiaj: yeah I don't use it |
| 06:15.21 | supaplex | yagoo: no usbfs, even after vfat on sdX1 is mounted. humm. |
| 06:15.30 | yagoo | cnz|skyrim, why you removing portmap? |
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| 06:16.48 | supaplex | who needs rpc? portmap is for network services anyway. why let it run if you don't need to? |
| 06:17.13 | jimmy_kash | Hey I know this is more of an rsync question, but does anyone know if rsync supports deleting files after synching? |
| 06:17.43 | yagoo | jimmy_kash, rsync is powerful.. if you can't figure it out then stay away from it!..(do testing first!) |
| 06:17.47 | supaplex | jimmy_kash: yup. you can delete files that don't match up with the source. or are you trying to delete files that synced? (don't know if you can do that) |
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| 06:18.32 | supaplex | lfs: any luck? grep sdc /proc/mounts |
| 06:18.55 | cnz|skyrim | thanks guys for the help |
| 06:19.12 | yagoo | lfs, did u try that lsof command? (lsof|grep usb) |
| 06:19.18 | jimmy_kash | supaplex: I am basically trying to automate moving files from one server to another. So server A has the file, moves to server B and them removes from server A |
| 06:19.40 | supaplex | not sure how/if it can do that. |
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| 06:19.43 | yagoo | jimmy_kash, the answer is yes. but you should do testing |
| 06:19.44 | jimmy_kash | yagoo: I am just asking if anyone knows if it has that capability. I have used it for basic synching of backups |
| 06:20.04 | jimmy_kash | yagoo: okay. I obviously would need to do testing thanks |
| 06:20.14 | supaplex | I think the're delete before and after, but that applies to destination files that are not on the source |
| 06:20.22 | mmv | jimmy_kash: there's a few ways you could do this...whats the point of moving the files to the next server? |
| 06:20.37 | supaplex | man pages are your friend. rsync is actually pretty well documented. |
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| 06:21.21 | jimmy_kash | mmv: I have a server that downloads for me, but has a 20gb HD. Basically, once the download is complete i want it to farm off to another larger storage server and then remove from the download server to free up the space again |
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| 06:22.12 | yagoo | jimmy_kash, i hope you're not using it as a backup solution.. then that would be dumb.. |
| 06:22.12 | mmv | jimmy_kash: why don't you have the 20gb server mount an NFS FS off the storage server? |
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| 06:23.02 | supaplex | nfs, now that's harsh. |
| 06:23.31 | mmv | supaplex: pretty much any large *nix enterprise deployment is going to be using a fair bit of NFS..;P |
| 06:23.47 | jimmy_kash | yagoo: no mate. Thanks for all your helpful feedback so far though |
| 06:23.54 | supaplex | yes, and many bald sysadmins |
| 06:24.06 | jimmy_kash | mmv: Does what you suggest work for A and B being on the other side of the world? |
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| 06:24.48 | mmv | jimmy_kash: sure, though if it's over the one slow downloading a big file then sending a big file at the same time is going to slow things down a bit |
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| 06:24.56 | supaplex | nfs isn't firewall friendly either. :) sucks at nat. |
| 06:24.57 | mmv | one slow connection* |
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| 06:25.15 | mmv | NFSv4 will run over a single TCP port :) |
| 06:25.40 | jimmy_kash | mmv: see I thought I would make some bash script and use SCP as some files would be large. I am not sure of my best option... does rsync pretty much use the same type of thing as using SCP? |
| 06:25.54 | mmv | not that i'd run any DFS over the internet without a VPN |
| 06:25.57 | jimmy_kash | mmv: btw if you have any better ideas, feel free as I am no expert |
| 06:26.20 | jimmy_kash | mmv: yeah I was going down the vpn track but hoped there would be something with less hassle |
| 06:26.22 | lfs | Debian:/home/lfs# lsof|grep usb |
| 06:26.22 | lfs | usb-stora 937 root cwd DIR 8,17 4096 2 / |
| 06:26.28 | yagoo | jimmy_kash, scp is slow copy.. it only copies 1 file at a time.. |
| 06:26.36 | mmv | a big question is are you going to download any files bigger than you have free space for |
| 06:26.49 | supaplex | lfs: I didn't say grep usb. grep usb is not relevant. |
| 06:27.12 | jimmy_kash | mmv: no a file maybe max 800mb. So the folder might have 5-6 800mb files that I need to move off server A to server B and then deleted from A once complete |
| 06:27.15 | yagoo | lfs, a process called usb-storage.. |
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| 06:27.29 | jimmy_kash | yagoo: how would you approach this ? |
| 06:27.37 | supaplex | I thought we're complaining about /dev/sdc1 here |
| 06:27.48 | yagoo | lfs, or a daemon called usb-storage doing this.. |
| 06:28.00 | jimmy_kash | yagoo: whats lfs |
| 06:28.01 | mmv | jimmy_kash: ftw setting up openvpn is pretty easy :) |
| 06:28.13 | yagoo | jimmy_kash, i have no idea how to approach it.. i have no idea of your network topology or data center goals.. etc etc.. |
| 06:28.29 | lfs | What command should I run? |
| 06:28.30 | jimmy_kash | mmv: so I setup a vpn, map the server B as a local drive and then run what to handle copying and deleting? |
| 06:28.42 | supaplex | lfs: grep sdc /proc/mounts |
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| 06:29.11 | lfs | Debian:/home/lfs# grep sdc /proc/mounts |
| 06:29.11 | lfs | Debian:/home/lfs# |
| 06:29.12 | jimmy_kash | yagoo: I think you are over thinking it maybe? In basic concepts I have a torrent server with s 20gb drive. It auto-downloads my shows that I then want to move to my media server at home and remove from the torrent server when done... |
| 06:29.29 | supaplex | lfs if you still see sdc in 'mount' then /etc/mtab is a liar. |
| 06:29.45 | lfs | I am not seeing sdc in mount |
| 06:29.56 | supaplex | okay. no usb media is mounted. |
| 06:29.57 | lfs | But I can write to the disk with the text editor. |
| 06:30.13 | arghx | jimmy_kash: unless you use sftp, you will need a VPN in any way to access the remote files |
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| 06:30.17 | mmv | jimmy_kash: rsync daemon via cron jobs, or mv your downloaded files to an NFS mount, orrr ftp get then rm each file |
| 06:30.21 | yagoo | jimmy_kash, simply have a remote mount.. it'll be easily done if you decide to change options with the torrent program "move this to here/there when done" |
| 06:30.23 | supaplex | lfs: well, the usb media previously on /dev/sdc1 is not mounted. write to what disk? |
| 06:30.43 | lfs | The text editor sees the seagate hard drive |
| 06:30.45 | arghx | lfs: no. you can write to some path with a text editor. learn where this path actually points to |
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| 06:31.12 | arghx | lfs: if you unmount a device, the mount point is still there and you can write to it. doesn't mean a thing |
| 06:31.15 | Yooo | W ChanServ |
| 06:31.17 | supaplex | lfs: see the hdd? how? |
| 06:31.20 | jimmy_kash | yagoo: for a remote mount, you suggest I then setup server B via VPN then |
| 06:31.22 | Yooo | http://www.facebook.com/pages/Radio-Pl%C3%A1tano/121335241310064 |
| 06:31.49 | lfs | The text editor shows the external hard drive as a location to save |
| 06:31.51 | jimmy_kash | mmv: i like rsync, hence my original question if it can remove successfully moved files. Rsync seems the best option if it can do this |
| 06:31.53 | supaplex | oh look, facebook pages to report abuse on. |
| 06:32.16 | arghx | lfs: this is NOT "the external harddrive". this is a mountpoint. do you know what a mountpoint is? |
| 06:32.22 | supaplex | lfs: what's your goal? |
| 06:32.25 | mmv | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:32.37 | jimmy_kash | mmv: i owe you a coke |
| 06:32.38 | mmv | 10 seconds in the man page :\ |
| 06:32.53 | supaplex | mmv nice find. should act like mv. :) |
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| 06:33.05 | yagoo | jimmy_kash, i believe fusefs supports sftp.. you can have two remotes.. say A is the local, and B and C are mounted->(/mnt/B, /mnt/C), simply have a file monitor(or cron job every 30 minutes whatever) on A so that when files are moved to /mnt/A/DONE , then a simply copy command duplicates that to /mnt/B and /mnt/ |
| 06:33.18 | jimmy_kash | mmv: mate i have just spent the last 7 hours setting up a couple of servers learning a lot very quickly. I am sorry if i am a bit noobish :S |
| 06:33.20 | lfs | I just closed the text editor and reopened it and I opened up the file I saved. |
| 06:33.23 | arghx | yagoo: it does. unreliably |
| 06:33.29 | yagoo | jimmy_kash, C , .. then the file in /mnt/A/done can be deleted |
| 06:33.33 | arghx | lfs: where is this file exactly? full path? |
| 06:33.36 | lfs | So the external HDD must still be mounted. |
| 06:33.51 | jimmy_kash | yagoo: this would be easier than an rsync you think? |
| 06:33.53 | SasanRose | hi, how can i add my debian pciback support? |
| 06:34.20 | yagoo | jimmy_kash, what's the purpose of running rsync on A, if you want it to be deleted? |
| 06:34.21 | arghx | lfs: do you know what a mountpoint is and where it's located? |
| 06:34.32 | lfs | Freeagent Goflex drive |
| 06:34.33 | supaplex | lfs: what is your goal? define success. I think we've gone in a circle here. first you were trying so hard to unmount the hdd, now you want to save files to it. ??? |
| 06:34.43 | arghx | lfs: I said FULL path. |
| 06:34.51 | lfs | I want to resize the drive using GParted |
| 06:34.59 | lfs | ANd I need to unmount the drive first. |
| 06:35.03 | yagoo | jimmy_kash, if copying fails on either /mnt/B or /mnt/C then the file on A should not be deleted.. |
| 06:35.10 | jimmy_kash | coz rsync handles everything so easily and is quick to setup |
| 06:35.14 | arghx | supaplex: he is writing files to the mount point directory and thinks that's the drive |
| 06:35.18 | yagoo | jimmy_kash, you don't want to do a chain rsync .. that defeats the purpose of rsync.. |
| 06:35.20 | jimmy_kash | yagoo: but rsync would handle the error |
| 06:35.50 | lfs | I could reboot and if the file is on the drive that would prove it is still mounted |
| 06:36.02 | yagoo | jimmy_kash, but it's good for 1:1 .. you're doing 2 runs here.. |
| 06:36.17 | mmv | does rsync handle failure and retrying? |
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| 06:36.29 | jimmy_kash | yagoo: i only have 2 servers. not 3 |
| 06:36.43 | jimmy_kash | yagoo: download server and media server. No third server :) |
| 06:36.47 | yagoo | jimmy_kash, is that what you want? A->B , A-C ? |
| 06:36.53 | yagoo | jimmy_kash, that lookst like two runs to me |
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| 06:37.16 | supaplex | lfs okay. quit using the text editor as a test. rely on mount. /proc/mounts should not have the drive partitions mounted. This is live from the kernel. /etc/mtab is sometimes not in sync (though it's valid to differ) |
| 06:37.27 | jimmy_kash | yagoo: to quickly explain again. I have a dedicated torrent server with small HD. Once the torrent is downloaded, I want it to auto-copy to my home media PC and remove from download server |
| 06:37.50 | yagoo | jimmy_kash, that's 3. the torrent server, media-pc, and the download server.. |
| 06:38.05 | jimmy_kash | yagoo: the download server is the same as the torrent |
| 06:38.07 | lfs | The main problem is that GParted greys out the Resize/Move Icon |
| 06:38.12 | arghx | yagoo: please think more carefully |
| 06:38.15 | mmv | here's an idea... |
| 06:38.16 | jimmy_kash | yagoo: there are only two physical servers |
| 06:38.22 | jimmy_kash | mmv: shoot? |
| 06:38.25 | lfs | And I want to rule out the drive being mounted. |
| 06:38.29 | mmv | why don't you run the torrent client on your media server and route it through the 20gb server with a VPN |
| 06:38.36 | yagoo | jimmy_kash, if it's like that.. then you should of answered me a long time ago.. when i mentioned /mnt/B and /mnt/C samples.. |
| 06:38.45 | yagoo | arghx, watch your mouth boy |
| 06:38.46 | mmv | i imagine your intent is to mask where you're downloading to |
| 06:38.55 | arghx | lfs: unmount the drive, then start gparted. do whatever you need to |
| 06:38.59 | jimmy_kash | yagoo: i didnt realise sorry mate - not trying to muck you around. I thought you were just talking generally |
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| 06:39.39 | kblessinggr | is there an option to ignore certain packages. For example I'm on an Xen-PV , and aptitude tries to install a new kernel , but thats not of course possible on this container as /boot is empty I get an error log like this http://pbin.be/show/dzMEqVq4uCS1Rwq1iMRM/ |
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| 06:39.55 | kblessinggr | so not sure if there's just a way to ignore kernel (but not kernel headers) packages. |
| 06:39.57 | yagoo | jimmy_kash, as i was saying 1:1 is fine.. |
| 06:40.08 | supaplex | I think he didn't realise it's been unmounted. that text editor is not a valid test. /proc/mounts tells all (unless you're doing something silly/creative with chroot/vserver/etc) |
| 06:40.08 | jimmy_kash | yagoo: for rsync? |
| 06:40.13 | yagoo | jimmy_kash, you can use pretty much any tool to do this.. i thought u were asking much more than this |
| 06:40.29 | arghx | kblessinggr: uninstall the kernel .deb |
| 06:40.34 | jimmy_kash | yagoo: no sorry mate. I just wanted to know of something like rsync would support it, and if it was the best option |
| 06:40.46 | arghx | kblessinggr: why do you need headers but not the kernel? |
| 06:41.04 | kblessinggr | arghx: don't, just figured being specific is better than saying ignore kernal* |
| 06:41.04 | yagoo | jimmy_kash, well the torrent application/server would have to "let go" of the file.. for rsync to delete it |
| 06:41.07 | jimmy_kash | mmv: I had thought of your VPN / proxy idea but i might change where the files get moved to. Ideally the download server doing everything and getting moved to wherever after is better |
| 06:41.18 | jimmy_kash | yagoo: yes I have this setup and ready. |
| 06:41.23 | arghx | kblessinggr: that doesn't answer my question. why do you need the headers? |
| 06:41.30 | kblessinggr | arghx: its a fresh xen image so didn't think they'd have kernel package already installed |
| 06:41.32 | kblessinggr | I don't |
| 06:42.00 | arghx | then why do you say " if there's just a way to ignore kernel (but not kernel headers) packages."? as I told you: why don't you uninstall the kernel? |
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| 06:42.31 | kblessinggr | cuz I didn't know you could, simply put |
| 06:42.39 | kblessinggr | I'm from an openvz background, not xen |
| 06:42.42 | arghx | then do it |
| 06:43.06 | kblessinggr | don't have any kernel packages installed |
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| 06:43.22 | kblessinggr | http://pbin.be/show/cvf0wibHLOghuhEBtoYY/ |
| 06:43.27 | arghx | you do. your paste proves it |
| 06:43.41 | kblessinggr | but aptitude doesn't show any with installed flag |
| 06:43.45 | arghx | kernel images are named "linux-image*" |
| 06:43.48 | kblessinggr | and /boot is empty |
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| 06:44.07 | kblessinggr | k linux-image-amd64 is installed |
| 06:44.14 | kblessinggr | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:44.23 | arghx | kblessinggr: please use dpkg to check what is installed, not aptitude |
| 06:44.30 | lfs | I just rebooted into Vista and the text editor wrote to the disk which must mean it is still mounted after umount /dev/sdc1 |
| 06:44.35 | simonlnu | looks like a meta-package |
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| 06:45.06 | kblessinggr | it is, and course it's having rtrouble because the previous upgrade attempt has it stuck at "1 not fully installed or removed" |
| 06:45.15 | kblessinggr | probably have to look up dpkg purge in a sec |
| 06:46.47 | lfs | If the text editor can write to an external USB hard drive that must mean it is mounted? |
| 06:47.18 | sauvin | If you're root and you wrote to the device node, you probably trashed it. |
| 06:48.12 | lfs | ? |
| 06:48.44 | sauvin | If you want to know if your USB is mounted or not, use the 'mount' command with no arguments. |
| 06:49.08 | yagoo | sauvin, he has something like "usb-storage" as the user who's hooking on to a name /proc/usb |
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| 06:49.44 | yagoo | "<lfs> usb-stora 937 root cwd DIR 8,17 4096 2 /" |
| 06:49.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps whats that gui app to adjust keyboard key maps? |
| 06:49.52 | yagoo | ^ just guessn.. |
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| 06:50.15 | kblessinggr | arghx: :P so any stock into the big arse warning that I'm about to remove the same kernel I'm running on a system that doesnlt even have the /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 file in /boot |
| 06:50.38 | sauvin | "hooking"? My English isn't up to strength tonight. |
| 06:50.41 | arghx | kblessinggr: do you need modules? |
| 06:50.54 | kristian-aalborg | okay, so got an ancient '97 box where APM won't work... I found out that it works with Puppy Wary... thus I got their .config, and build a Debian kernel from it... still no workie, what gives? |
| 06:50.56 | kblessinggr | hrm odd, /boot now shows stuff lol |
| 06:51.01 | arghx | kblessinggr: cause they exist in /lib/modules, for that very same kernel, from that very same package |
| 06:51.06 | kblessinggr | so ... I Can't upgrade the kernel, it's probably shadowed to the host |
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| 06:51.17 | arghx | !hold |
| 06:51.17 | dpkg | hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771. |
| 06:51.33 | arghx | kblessinggr: that's what you can do. and tell the host to upgrade? |
| 06:51.44 | kblessinggr | ahh ok |
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| 06:52.39 | kblessinggr | now if I could just get this "not fully installed" thing out of it so it doesn't keep trying to upgrade/replace it upon updates |
| 06:53.48 | arghx | kblessinggr: uninstall grub. that's what's causing the problem |
| 06:54.12 | kblessinggr | I'm still not certain if grub is needed for Xen-PV or not |
| 06:54.14 | kblessinggr | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.26 | arghx | kblessinggr: or do you need grub? I dunno how Xen starts the instance, e.g. if it actually emulates BIOS and "boots" the VM like VMWare and VirtualBox do |
| 06:54.40 | kblessinggr | well Xen-HVM does hardware virtualization |
| 06:54.46 | kblessinggr | Xen-PV does paravirtualization similar to openvz |
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| 06:55.03 | kblessinggr | I know the -HVM one emulates the bios layer and so forth |
| 06:55.03 | arghx | kblessinggr: then check /etc/kernel-img.conf and /etc/kernel/ for grub configuration and disable it |
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| 06:56.13 | kblessinggr | k found the zz-update-grub file in postinst.d |
| 06:57.04 | kblessinggr | there we go, all done, thanks arghx |
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| 06:57.54 | arghx | kblessinggr: I strongly suggest you mail your hoster and ask how to handle kernels in the future. e.g. who should install them and how |
| 06:58.12 | dirkson | I need a 32 bit version of a particular library. How would I find that in the package manager? (If it exists?) |
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| 06:58.27 | arghx | !tell dirkson about search |
| 06:58.39 | arghx | dirkson: specify your problem in more detail |
| 06:59.05 | kblessinggr | arghx: :P I'm probably gona leave em alone for the night, I already got on them about advertizing FreeBSD but only to find out they upgraded Xen-HVM to a version that does not support BSD at this time (so they're gona have to take down "freeBSD" as a listed OS they offer) |
| 06:59.07 | dirkson | arghx: I know how to search. The problem is finding the correct terminology, mainly - Do I search for ia32? i386? i586? i686? 32bit? 32? |
| 06:59.14 | kblessinggr | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.04 | kblessinggr | I'm trying them out based on this promotion http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1099404 , I Already got refund for the freebsd hassle so least trying them out on debian (which I already use elsewhere on openvz) |
| 07:00.12 | kblessinggr | figured it'd be a good chance to see how xen works :P |
| 07:00.41 | dirkson | arghx: Hmm. Well, the /specific/ problem is that I need a 32 bit version of ftgl. Does that help? |
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| 07:01.47 | arghx | dirkson: remember: you want help from us. we don't have a problem and are volunteers to boot |
| 07:02.23 | dirkson | arghx: Er... I was offensive somehow. How? |
| 07:02.54 | arghx | dirkson: sarcasm is not a good pattern of speech when one wants help |
| 07:03.15 | arghx | maybe I misunderstood, can happen too |
| 07:03.43 | dirkson | arghx: I swear I haven't tried to say anything sarcastic in the past hour or two, let alone this conversation :D |
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| 07:05.45 | atruno | i was very happy with debian except my overall download speed was very slow. |
| 07:06.05 | atruno | i wasn't sure why that would be with gigabit nic and fast connection |
| 07:06.10 | yagoo | atruno, i bet it's your isp and not debian :) |
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| 07:06.44 | dirkson | yagoo: Could be drivers. I've had some odd issues like that with odd hardware on linux. (Admittedly, only wireless drivers, but still) |
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| 07:09.49 | dirkson | Hmm. I guess there aren't any packages specifically to provide 32 bit builds of ftgl. Is there any standard way to import 32 bit libraries into a 64 bit debian? |
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| 07:10.10 | arghx | which debian branch? |
| 07:10.15 | dirkson | Testing |
| 07:10.25 | dirkson | Though I'm happy to pull from unstable if need be. |
| 07:10.30 | arghx | !multiarch |
| 07:10.31 | dpkg | Debian is working towards the ability to install packages from one architecture on a machine that is running a different architecture. This makes i386/amd64 issues simpler (no more ia32-libs!), helps tag firmware blobs with the correct arch and allows easier cross-compiling and bootstrapping. For further details see http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch http://lists.debian.org/20110627105453.GC31198@virgil.dodds.net |
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| 07:11.15 | arghx | so you have a lib32 directory now where you could put the lib. dunno if you can install it simply with apt, but if all else fails, dpkg --extract could work too for it |
| 07:11.56 | arghx | but multiarch is still "experimental" of course. no guarantees or such that it works as intended. it's debian testing after all |
| 07:12.07 | dirkson | *reads the link* This sounds like "Debian is heading towards an awesome thing" instead of "this is how you do that now", yes? |
| 07:12.36 | kblessinggr | well testing isn't exactly intended for production/now-enviroment |
| 07:12.51 | arghx | yes. but testing is currently "in transition" to this awesome thing. ie halfway there |
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| 07:13.04 | arghx | but it's software in development with all that entials |
| 07:13.17 | arghx | the idea is for wheezy to ship with the feature then |
| 07:13.24 | dirkson | Ah! In that case Multiarch is much further along than this page suggests? |
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| 07:13.44 | arghx | documentation always lags |
| 07:13.49 | dirkson | Point |
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| 07:19.29 | dirkson | Yeah, ok - This will be awesome in the future, but it doesn't help me much now, since I'm already using the place its being implemented. I intended to package libraries with the game anyway - I guess now is as good a time as any to start that process : ) |
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| 07:23.39 | mah454 | My ssl expire date is 2011 . i need change it to 2099 (for example) . |
| 07:23.42 | mah454 | How can do this ? |
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| 07:27.13 | dirkson | Self-signed cert, mah454? |
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| 07:28.17 | mah454 | dirkson, Self-signed ?! |
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| 07:28.41 | macaruro | ciao |
| 07:29.08 | macaruro | !list |
| 07:29.09 | dpkg | macaruro: e possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero con http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 07:32.59 | dirkson | mah454: If your certificate isn't self signed, I think the correct answer is "Buy more certificate" : ) |
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| 08:14.50 | slow_ | hello everyone i have a big problem |
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| 08:15.01 | slow_ | i have sinc 3 days debian on my new pc |
| 08:15.15 | slow_ | and my internet is so slow that it load with shocks |
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| 08:15.50 | slow_ | but in my torrent programm (transmission ) i easyli archive 2 a 3 mbit |
| 08:15.57 | slow_ | and on newserver 20 mbit |
| 08:16.00 | slow_ | (i have a |
| 08:16.14 | slow_ | 25 mbit vdsl2 line) |
| 08:16.19 | slow_ | what can i do about that |
| 08:16.30 | slow_ | in my windows my internet is normal |
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| 08:19.25 | philipballew | QUESTION: Flash in full screen fails on Debian 6 and shoots my cpu all the way up. what might be causing this |
| 08:19.48 | slow_ | which cpu do you have ? |
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| 08:20.42 | philipballew | slow_, its a pentium4 |
| 08:20.53 | slow_ | ah i work with that too |
| 08:21.02 | slow_ | which desktop do you run ? |
| 08:21.06 | philipballew | lxde |
| 08:21.10 | slow_ | mhhh |
| 08:21.16 | slow_ | which browser |
| 08:21.23 | philipballew | at least i think its my cpu |
| 08:21.27 | philipballew | I run google chrome |
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| 08:25.23 | arghx | philipballew: yes it's the CPU. |
| 08:25.52 | philipballew | arghx, Is there a way to fox it? |
| 08:25.52 | arghx | slow_: define "load with shocks" |
| 08:25.59 | slow_ | the page load |
| 08:26.04 | arghx | philipballew: yes, don't use flash or buy a faster cp |
| 08:26.06 | slow_ | and than it shocks from the bottem |
| 08:26.08 | arghx | *cpu |
| 08:26.12 | slow_ | to the up |
| 08:26.18 | philipballew | html 5 is better anyway |
| 08:26.36 | arghx | philipballew: it's not gpu accelerated either |
| 08:26.49 | arghx | !fr |
| 08:26.49 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
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| 08:27.22 | arghx | slow_: "shocks from the bottem to the up"? |
| 08:27.29 | slow_ | yes |
| 08:27.43 | slow_ | yeah so as in the 90's |
| 08:27.45 | arghx | slow_: ask a french channel, or a dutch one |
| 08:27.48 | slow_ | but the page is already loaded |
| 08:27.56 | arghx | cause I don't understand what that means |
| 08:28.01 | slow_ | in the dutch they don't anwer |
| 08:28.22 | Sa1100 | hey. Question about debian HAL.... cannot mount from GUI it says permission denied |
| 08:28.25 | Sa1100 | any thoughts |
| 08:28.34 | arghx | Sa1100: id |
| 08:28.34 | I_Died_Once | hey, i got a drive by question - i just got a new machine, and i was to install everything my old machine had... pulled its hard drive - is there a list somewhere that i can use? both old and new are debian squeeze |
| 08:28.44 | arghx | Sa1100: or are you in testing? |
| 08:29.04 | I_Died_Once | ****I WANT to install everything the old machine had |
| 08:29.13 | I_Died_Once | now was |
| 08:29.18 | I_Died_Once | *not was |
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| 08:29.28 | I_Died_Once | did I even mention that I am a typing champion? |
| 08:29.30 | Sa1100 | debian 6 |
| 08:29.34 | I_Died_Once | yeah |
| 08:29.44 | arghx | I_Died_Once: dpkg --get-selections |
| 08:29.54 | arghx | Sa1100: run id |
| 08:30.03 | amphi | I_Died_Once: dpkg --get-selections / --set-selections |
| 08:30.07 | slow_ | i gona delete debian now |
| 08:30.12 | slow_ | and install mind debian |
| 08:30.19 | arghx | !tell I_Died_Once debian clone |
| 08:30.20 | Sa1100 | org.freedesktop.HAL.Device.Volume.PermissionDenied ... uid = 1000 |
| 08:30.31 | I_Died_Once | arghx - is there a way to do that with the hard drive slaved to the new machine? |
| 08:30.54 | arghx | I_Died_Once: yes. chroot into the the old harddive with the old debian installation |
| 08:31.19 | slow_ | died |
| 08:31.23 | slow_ | its now with sata |
| 08:31.27 | slow_ | ath the moment |
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| 08:31.47 | arghx | !tell I_Died_Once about debian clone |
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| 08:32.39 | slow_ | pff i give it up mind debian here i come |
| 08:33.03 | arghx | slow_: it's "mint". and we won't support that anymore, no debian channel will. good luck |
| 08:33.17 | arghx | rather, we don't support it. never have. |
| 08:33.23 | slow_ | yes i now |
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| 08:33.31 | slow_ | but they have also channels :) |
| 08:33.39 | arghx | yes they do |
| 08:33.47 | slow_ | so i dont care |
| 08:33.54 | slow_ | if my debian don't work |
| 08:34.04 | slow_ | i thought it was a stable os |
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| 08:37.08 | arghx | Sa1100: please don't PM |
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| 08:37.31 | Sa1100 | ok which id were u asking about |
| 08:37.41 | arghx | the command of that name |
| 08:37.46 | Sa1100 | im new to Linux |
| 08:38.02 | Sa1100 | i'm just trying to open up the other hard disk in dolphin |
| 08:38.06 | Sa1100 | but it does not mount it |
| 08:38.13 | Sa1100 | and gives the permission error |
| 08:38.16 | arghx | please run it Sa1100 |
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| 08:39.05 | Sa1100 | i am able to mount from shell but not from the UI |
| 08:42.58 | Sa1100 | ? |
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| 08:44.21 | I_Died_Once | arghx, i thank you big time |
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| 08:44.28 | I_Died_Once | that was the one |
| 08:44.37 | I_Died_Once | two and a half gigs to d/l |
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| 09:00.54 | wissem | hello |
| 09:01.12 | wissem | anyone tried xmonad in debian wheezy here? |
| 09:01.38 | arghx | !tell wissem about anyone |
| 09:01.57 | SasanRose | for those who may need, i asked a question about how to add pciback support to your debian. You just can add pciback to /etc/modules and it works! |
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| 09:03.39 | wissem | when I try to login, all I get is the gdm screen freezed ! |
| 09:04.32 | arghx | disable the display manager, try to start X manually |
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| 09:05.03 | wissem | okay |
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| 09:05.18 | wissem | how to change default window manager? |
| 09:06.00 | arghx | via update-alternatives |
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| 09:08.01 | wissem | got it |
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| 09:09.03 | Sa1100 | arghx: i still dont know what u were saying earlier |
| 09:09.46 | arghx | for the third time: run the command "id" |
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| 09:10.18 | Sa1100 | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root) |
| 09:10.24 | Sa1100 | done |
| 09:10.29 | arghx | you run X as root? |
| 09:10.39 | arghx | or rather, gnome? |
| 09:10.42 | Sa1100 | its default. i didnt change it |
| 09:10.45 | Sa1100 | i'm running KDE |
| 09:10.47 | arghx | no it's not default |
| 09:11.00 | Sa1100 | ok how do i change it then |
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| 09:11.03 | arghx | run id as your normal user |
| 09:11.21 | arghx | there is nothing to change since it's not default. if you run anything as root, YOU made it so, not "by default" |
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| 09:12.10 | Sa1100 | sorry : uid=1000(sal) gid=1000(sal) groups=1000(sal),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),109(netdev),114(powerdev),115(scanner),118(bluetooth) |
| 09:12.29 | Sa1100 | i was logged in as root |
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| 09:13.26 | arghx | plugdev is set so it should work normally :( |
| 09:13.45 | Sa1100 | it give a permission error with HAL |
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| 09:14.20 | Sa1100 | only when i try to mount via dolphin. |
| 09:14.28 | Sa1100 | i cant mount using terminal |
| 09:15.21 | arghx | pastebin the full error. maybe it tells on which file or point the permission isn't there |
| 09:16.41 | Sa1100 | cant copy the error. i will just write it |
| 09:17.40 | Sa1100 | org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.PermissionDenied: refusing to mount device /dev/sda2 for uid=1000 |
| 09:18.46 | Sa1100 | i checked hal.conf under /etc/dbus-l/system.d |
| 09:18.54 | arghx | Sa1100: nothing else? or are you looking at a dialog box only? |
| 09:19.10 | Sa1100 | yes. when i click the drive in the explorer |
| 09:19.15 | Sa1100 | i get that msg under there |
| 09:19.16 | arghx | Sa1100: is this a NTFS drive? |
| 09:19.20 | Sa1100 | yes |
| 09:19.36 | Sa1100 | its NTFS |
| 09:20.02 | arghx | Sa1100: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=45726 |
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| 09:27.11 | Sa1100 | thanks for ure help arghx. think i can figure it from here. have to go now |
| 09:27.17 | Sa1100 | see u |
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| 09:36.53 | xshoppyx | First time installing debian an am having trouble getting my wireless card to work |
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| 09:37.36 | xshoppyx | I have a .deb file on external media but when it scans for them it is looking specificall for .fw files |
| 09:37.37 | arghx | xshoppyx: what wlan chip is it? |
| 09:37.53 | xshoppyx | BCM4312 |
| 09:38.01 | arghx | dpkg --extract can help there |
| 09:38.01 | dpkg | arghx: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 09:38.09 | arghx | !bcm4312 |
| 09:38.09 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM4312 (PCI ID 14e4:4315) is a PCI-E 802.11g wireless LAN chipset with a low-power PHY, supported by <b43> since Linux 2.6.32. Firmware is required, ask me about <contrib> and install the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package to provide. Lenny users, see <bcm4312 lenny>. Alternatively supported by <wl>. PCI ID 14e4:4312 uses a BCM4311 chipset, requiring firmware-b43-installer. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
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| 09:38.50 | arghx | xshoppyx: open a console (ctrl+alt+f2) go to the external media, mount it if necessary. in the directory with the firmware .deb, do a dpkg --extrac <firmware .deb> |
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| 09:39.02 | xshoppyx | dpkg isn't in the installer's shell |
| 09:39.02 | dpkg | xshoppyx: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 09:39.09 | arghx | xshoppyx: then you should have the .fw file under some directory, possibly ./lib/firmware |
| 09:39.57 | arghx | xshoppyx: what is the name of the firmware .deb? |
| 09:40.12 | xshoppyx | firmware-b43-lpphy-installer |
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| 09:40.22 | xshoppyx | + version info |
| 09:40.42 | arghx | that's not firmware. it's a script/program that downloads a windows driver and extracts the firmware from that with b43-fwcutter |
| 09:41.27 | arghx | I suggest you install debian without network access and do it all later. you also will probably need ethernet internet access for a short time so it can grab the windows driver package then |
| 09:41.28 | xshoppyx | So the .fw won't be in there even if I do extract the deb |
| 09:41.43 | xshoppyx | Will do! |
| 09:41.45 | xshoppyx | Thanks |
| 09:41.46 | arghx | no it won't. licenses are a bitch :( |
| 09:42.48 | xshoppyx | That's what I figured... |
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| 09:44.51 | DarkUranium | hey |
| 09:45.08 | DarkUranium | how can I make Debian *not* install xorg (and more importantly, any video drivers) upon installation? |
| 09:45.30 | mmv | don't select any tasks to install |
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| 09:45.52 | DarkUranium | problem is Vesa, it doesn't agree well with my ATI GPU |
| 09:45.58 | DarkUranium | a *TON* of errors and whatnot >_< |
| 09:46.03 | mmv | 'Desktop Environment' especially |
| 09:46.06 | DarkUranium | noted. |
| 09:46.41 | arghx | DarkUranium: do not choose "desktop environment" in the text mode installer |
| 09:46.57 | arghx | DarkUranium: what radeon do you have? |
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| 09:47.36 | DarkUranium | arghx: HD 4530 |
| 09:47.46 | DarkUranium | arghx: it's a lappy, so there's no replacing it >_< |
| 09:48.02 | DarkUranium | I had a choice between NVIDIA and Intel or ATI and AMD... and I hate Intel. =P |
| 09:48.31 | arghx | debian should support that one just fine. came out in 2009 |
| 09:48.52 | DarkUranium | arghx: that's the thing |
| 09:48.59 | DarkUranium | arghx: older OSes work fine, newer ones don't |
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| 09:49.12 | arghx | huh? that makes no sense. |
| 09:49.14 | arghx | !kms |
| 09:49.14 | dpkg | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 09:49.17 | DarkUranium | well, it's what happens. |
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| 09:49.25 | arghx | you might want to disable that |
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| 09:49.51 | arghx | and you will need to use fglrx of course |
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| 10:18.47 | jokar | all: |
| 10:19.12 | jokar | i have a file on network and a user open it how find which user open it? |
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| 10:32.08 | _stefanos_ | hello everyone. is there a way to see which packages have been dropped out of wheezy? thank you |
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| 10:36.38 | gentz | If my kernel has sys req key enabled but is logged out on all ttys, is this is a security hole? |
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| 10:36.58 | valdyn | gentz: no? |
| 10:37.03 | valdyn | gentz: yes? |
| 10:37.39 | valdyn | gentz: if your keyboard is accessible by people who you dont want to use the sys req key, then it is |
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| 10:39.51 | teeol | hi, i want to play 2d/3d games on debian, my graphic card is installed but its lagging like hell |
| 10:39.56 | teeol | do i need to install another package ? |
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| 10:40.28 | _stefanos_ | teeol: give them more info like what graphics card you have etc |
| 10:40.29 | valdyn | teeol: what is the output for "glxinfo | grep direct" |
| 10:40.34 | archetech | which card model |
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| 10:41.09 | teeol | valdyn: moment need to reboot ive tried it on ubuntu live cd its working.. sec |
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| 10:41.49 | Arafangion | How do I make the various gui programs in xfce use gksudo instead of gksu? |
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| 10:42.35 | _stefanos_ | guys, debian has dropped support for nvidia legacy drivers. does it mean i cannot use them anymore? i cannot find them on repositories :/ |
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| 10:42.53 | valdyn | _stefanos_: why do you think debian dropped support? |
| 10:43.02 | teeol | ok, what do i need to type in for graphics? |
| 10:43.04 | _stefanos_ | i cannot find them in packages |
| 10:43.10 | valdyn | _stefanos_: why cant you? |
| 10:43.21 | valdyn | teeol: "glxinfo | grep direct" |
| 10:43.32 | pumafyre | Favorite bit-torrent clients? Opinions? |
| 10:43.33 | _stefanos_ | valdyn: i am searching for them and cannot find them |
| 10:43.40 | valdyn | !non-free |
| 10:43.42 | pa7iQ | hi, what do I do if my webcam is detected with any program, the led lights up but I get no picture and NO error messages? (works on windows and kernel upgrade didn't help) |
| 10:43.42 | teeol | valdyn, glxinfo doesnt exist |
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| 10:44.03 | valdyn | teeol: install mesa-utils |
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| 10:44.08 | teeol | valdyn, ok |
| 10:44.25 | _stefanos_ | valdyn: they used to be available under wheezy as well, but now are available only under unstable sid |
| 10:44.28 | _stefanos_ | is there a reason? |
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| 10:44.42 | teeol | direct rendering: Yes |
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| 10:44.52 | valdyn | teeol: ok, "glxinfo | grep vendor" |
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| 10:45.22 | teeol | server glx vendor string: SGI and OpenGL vendor string: Mesa Project |
| 10:45.58 | jokar | all: |
| 10:46.00 | jokar | hello |
| 10:46.08 | jokar | how map my network client? |
| 10:46.09 | valdyn | teeol: install libgl1-mesa-dri |
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| 10:46.27 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system run "aptitude search '~i~scontrib'". For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 10:46.44 | valdyn | teeol: oh, and show me "glxinfo | grep renderer" |
| 10:47.01 | teeol | valdyn, OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer |
| 10:47.14 | valdyn | teeol: libgl1-mesa-dri is installed now? |
| 10:47.42 | teeol | when im trying to get it it shows me a lot of packages, than it wants me to apt-get autoremove |
| 10:48.08 | valdyn | teeol: apt-get does not remove those packages, so why care now? |
| 10:48.34 | teeol | no, sudo apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri installs nothing |
| 10:48.45 | valdyn | teeol: ok, so thats already installed |
| 10:49.15 | teeol | valdyn, yeah its installed |
| 10:49.47 | valdyn | teeol: now i dont know a good way to see which driver you are using, so put the whole /var/log/Xorg.0.log up on a paste site |
| 10:49.51 | jokar | hey all |
| 10:50.00 | jokar | how map my network client? |
| 10:50.11 | valdyn | jokar: define "map" |
| 10:50.13 | teeol | valdyn, ok mom |
| 10:50.28 | jokar | show all my clinet info |
| 10:50.32 | jokar | client* |
| 10:50.50 | valdyn | jokar: thats to vague, theres to much info |
| 10:51.03 | valdyn | jokar: no point showing what you cant look at in your lifetime |
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| 10:51.38 | jokar | valdyn: like auto scan network |
| 10:51.48 | jokar | is it work in debian? |
| 10:51.50 | valdyn | jokar: "nmap <ip>" |
| 10:51.58 | jokar | nah |
| 10:52.09 | jokar | i didn't5 know my client ip |
| 10:52.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | what is a good file manager? something other then gnome and kde stuff.. |
| 10:52.26 | valdyn | jokar: run ifconfig on the client to see the ip |
| 10:52.44 | jokar | i wanna see it from remotely |
| 10:52.45 | valdyn | Eryn_1983_FL: bash or mc |
| 10:53.04 | _stefanos_ | Eryn_1983_FL: Gnome and KDE are Desktop Environments to help you a bit... |
| 10:53.09 | valdyn | jokar: if you dont know the name or ip of your client then you cant retrieve information from remotely |
| 10:53.19 | jokar | i can |
| 10:53.29 | jokar | autoscan network find all ip |
| 10:53.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | ... i know but they got file maanager in them.. i dont want those. |
| 10:53.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | soething independent lol |
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| 10:53.41 | jokar | it discover all network |
| 10:53.44 | valdyn | jokar: nmap can scan ranges too, read the manpage |
| 10:53.56 | jokar | i'm expert in nmap |
| 10:54.10 | valdyn | jokar: then you dont need to ask us any question, why are you here again? |
| 10:54.34 | jokar | autoscan network not run in my debian |
| 10:54.37 | _stefanos_ | jokar: if you are an expert in nmap, then what the hell are you doing man!? |
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| 10:55.26 | _stefanos_ | plus, since you are an expert on it, how many years have you been using it? |
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| 10:55.40 | _stefanos_ | also, do you know how many years it takes to "master" it? |
| 10:55.55 | jokar | i work with it in one years |
| 10:56.08 | jokar | i write a book about it too |
| 10:56.14 | _stefanos_ | oh i see...and you mastered it already |
| 10:56.19 | jokar | nah |
| 10:56.29 | _stefanos_ | sorry but in what language are you writing your book? |
| 10:56.45 | jokar | my native language |
| 10:56.55 | jokar | and an article in en language |
| 10:56.55 | valdyn | jokar: claiming to be an nmap expert is pretty much just showing your ignorance. Please ask what you really want or be quiet. |
| 10:57.22 | jokar | how run autoscan network on debian? |
| 10:57.45 | valdyn | jokar: auto what? timed? scheduled? event triggered? |
| 10:57.59 | jokar | autoscan network is a software :) |
| 10:58.01 | _stefanos_ | jokar: i am pretty sure that you are a script kiddie that just discovered nmap and want to check who's using your wireless network |
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| 10:58.20 | teeol | valdyn, http://pastebin.com/mNHpt7uQ |
| 10:58.40 | teeol | valdyn, sry pc was doin some freeze-attacks : P |
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| 10:59.52 | valdyn | teeol: driver is correct, but its probably to old |
| 11:00.09 | teeol | valdyn, hm ok |
| 11:00.16 | _stefanos_ | valdyn: do you know why they moved nvidia-legacy-173xx from wheezy to sid? |
| 11:00.33 | teeol | valdyn, so cause of that its lagging in teeworlds? : P |
| 11:00.38 | valdyn | teeol: thats easiest to solve by installing xorg and a 2.6.39 kernel from debian backports repository |
| 11:00.54 | valdyn | teeol: yea, your system is falling back to software rendering |
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| 11:01.26 | teeol | valdyn, aahh got it, thank you but now the next problem comes, kernel , will ask if i dont know whats going on |
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| 11:02.22 | valdyn | _stefanos_: this should be just temporary |
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| 11:02.32 | _stefanos_ | oh good :D |
| 11:02.33 | valdyn | !why is nvidia-legacy-173xx not in testing |
| 11:02.45 | _stefanos_ | i had to switch to nouveau and got irritated with it |
| 11:02.46 | valdyn | _stefanos_: dpkg is slow today, but it will tell you |
| 11:02.56 | _stefanos_ | it freezes my movies and it's annoying |
| 11:03.09 | _stefanos_ | plus when playing a song while loading a website it stops the song! |
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| 11:03.44 | _stefanos_ | brb |
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| 11:04.39 | AdamJ | Hello, |
| 11:04.40 | valdyn | judd: versions xserver-xorg |
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| 11:04.41 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.3+20; squeeze: 1:7.5+8; squeeze-backports: 1:7.6+8~bpo60+1; sid: 1:7.6+9; wheezy: 1:7.6+9 |
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| 11:04.57 | teeol | valdyn, how do i install the new kernel? do i need to compile it? |
| 11:05.01 | AdamJ | please, have you guys recently tried to apt-get some packages from debian-multimedia? |
| 11:05.02 | valdyn | teeol: no |
| 11:05.07 | valdyn | !backports |
| 11:05.07 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 11:05.23 | valdyn | !tell teeol -about debian-backports |
| 11:05.32 | teeol | valdyn, thanks ; ) |
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| 11:05.53 | valdyn | teeol: its another repository for packages for squeeze, install xorg from there and apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.39 and pick one |
| 11:06.07 | valdyn | teeol: instructions are on the website, read carefully |
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| 11:09.20 | arghx | !bpo kernels |
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| 11:12.10 | teeol | valdyn, yeah i see backports rocks ass, new to debian so never heard of it ^ |
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| 11:30.30 | emmanuel | ciao |
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| 11:30.37 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
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| 11:31.54 | teeol | valdyn, kernel working fine, xorg too... the game runs faster, but its still lagging, maybe there are "3d" packages or something like that i need to add? |
| 11:32.28 | teeol | do you need a new xorg.log? |
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| 11:36.15 | antnash_ | Hi guys. I got a problem. I installed debian using completely bare bones and then installed xorg, xfce and everything else after and now, unless I log in as root, the network manager I installed tells me I have no connection |
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| 11:36.57 | DCC_SEND | How do I upgrade from wheezy to sid |
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| 11:40.02 | ompaul | DCC_SEND: your nick is not the best I've ever seen, step on deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ sid main deb-src http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ sid main you can use contrib non-free if you want that is all you want apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ... however if you have to ask ... I'd strongly suggest you shouldn't even be running wheezy but that's my opinion based on experience, and you will do whatever a |
| 11:40.16 | ompaul | s/on/one |
| 11:41.09 | antnash_ | ompaul, how do I install from fresh, installing xfce but not things like openoffice? |
| 11:41.12 | arghx | DCC_SEND: why would you need to run sid? |
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| 11:41.30 | arghx | antnash_: disable recommends |
| 11:41.39 | ompaul | antnash_: perhaps you should use something like netinstall and start there building as you go |
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| 11:42.21 | arghx | antnash_: but I wouldn't try to solve your wlan connection problem via reinstall |
| 11:42.39 | antnash_ | arghx, ompaul: that's what I'm doing. |
| 11:42.48 | antnash_ | arghx: it's not wlan. It's wired |
| 11:43.03 | arghx | for wired there is not really any point to use network manager |
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| 11:43.31 | arghx | antnash_: I told you not to use recommends and then there won't be openoffice after a apt-get install xfce4 |
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| 11:43.52 | ompaul | antnash_: 1) basic install 2) apt-get install xfce (not xkcd) and 3) xdm kdm or something |
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| 11:44.26 | ompaul | arghx: I think the answer to your question is because it is sunday ;-) |
| 11:44.39 | antnash_ | I was just using a network indicator to see if it was showing a connection, and it wasn't |
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| 11:45.33 | arghx | antnash_: if you really want help from us solving the problem, you have to work with us, and not think we have a crystal ball. until you do: good luck |
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| 11:45.57 | antnash_ | sorry, arghx. I didn't realise I wasn't |
| 11:45.58 | ompaul | seems I was righ |
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| 11:46.22 | antnash_ | ok, I've just installed xdm |
| 11:46.55 | TechDesk | xdm ros |
| 11:46.58 | TechDesk | rox |
| 11:48.09 | antnash_ | I think I might realizse the mistake I made. I should have installed xfce and xdm under sudo -i ? |
| 11:48.31 | ompaul | why would your box have sudo working in a base install mode |
| 11:48.40 | antnash_ | it didn't |
| 11:48.45 | ompaul | you sir are now not just on your own but isolated |
| 11:48.46 | antnash_ | I got that too |
| 11:48.49 | arghx | ompaul: cause the installer asks for it. if you don't set a root password, it will use sudo |
| 11:49.15 | ompaul | arghx: bold installer (I forgot cos I set passwords) |
| 11:49.47 | antnash_ | I did set a password, but I installed sudo after I installed base |
| 11:49.56 | arghx | what is the installer set to do? it gives you the choice to use the root account or using sudo. I don't like sudo overly much but it is a reasonable choice |
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| 11:50.16 | ompaul | arghx: it is a reasonable choice |
| 11:50.36 | arghx | antnash_: sudo doesn't make one bit of difference. either you used tasksel or it was the recommends that gave you more than you wanted |
| 11:50.39 | ompaul | I just prefer not to except in the case of network edge equipment |
| 11:51.02 | arghx | antnash_: but what is your actual problem. by now xfce is installed and the other unwanted stuff too. so why crying over it? |
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| 11:52.13 | antnash_ | arghx: I didn't select anything at all in tasksel or the recommends. What I'm crying about is the fact that I can't get on the web from my main user, the network indicator I installed is showing no network interfaces |
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| 11:53.10 | teeol | when im trying to play 2d/3d games (for example teeworlds) its lagging hard... my graphic card is installed, on ubuntu live cd it works well, but want to fix this on debian |
| 11:53.15 | arghx | antnash_: what network chip and what does ifconfig -a say? |
| 11:53.22 | teeol | are there any packages like 3d or something like that i need to install? |
| 11:53.29 | arghx | teeol: which videocard? |
| 11:54.03 | teeol | arghx, ATI Technologies Inc RV710 [Radeon HD 4350] |
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| 11:54.35 | arghx | teeol: glxinfo | grep -i render |
| 11:55.06 | teeol | direct rendering: Yes |
| 11:55.06 | teeol | OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer |
| 11:55.06 | teeol | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:55.35 | antnash_ | arghx: I've had to modify my PATH to add in the sbins, but it now shows as being connected (still no love from my browser though. I can't see anything about what chip it's using. |
| 11:55.36 | teeol | arghx, seems like it doesnt use my graphic card.. |
| 11:55.42 | arghx | teeol: install the non-free firmware for your card |
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| 11:56.13 | teeol | arghx, how do i get them? |
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| 11:57.01 | me-1 | how do I make partitions with Debian 6 CD1..? |
| 11:57.30 | arghx | teeol: via the firmware package in non-free |
| 11:57.52 | arghx | me-1: partman runs when you are installing debian automatically. /msg dpkg ig |
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| 11:58.03 | arghx | the install guide documents that |
| 11:58.14 | arghx | !tell teeol about firmware |
| 11:58.36 | teeol | arghx, thanks |
| 11:58.57 | arghx | teeol: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 11:59.18 | arghx | teeol: you will need to restart after the firmware is installed |
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| 12:05.01 | teeol | arghx, lets give it a try ^ |
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| 12:14.00 | heisenmink | I have eclipse on an external NTFS drive, but I can't run it because I wan't chmod execute permission to the file... any ideas? |
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| 12:14.07 | heisenmink | can't* |
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| 12:14.49 | arghx | mount it "properly" then. and why can't you run "javaw -jar <eclipse.jar>? |
| 12:15.13 | wckd | Another filesystem, another set of problems.. ;) |
| 12:15.26 | heisenmink | it was automounted |
| 12:15.32 | heisenmink | and there's no eclipse.jar in eclipse/ |
| 12:15.46 | wckd | strange |
| 12:16.02 | arghx | well, you have those two choices. or you install eclipse on your debian properly |
| 12:16.09 | heisenmink | not my build |
| 12:16.16 | arghx | and? |
| 12:16.21 | heisenmink | I'm on an intranet |
| 12:16.25 | heisenmink | can't change anything |
| 12:17.44 | heisenmink | isn't there any way to execute files without +x perms? |
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| 12:18.27 | arghx | if it's a shell script: sh <script> |
| 12:19.38 | arghx | fyi: there is a jar to run. just that you haven't found it yet. |
| 12:19.43 | heisenmink | alright, arghx: how to I mount it properly? |
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| 12:21.09 | teeol | arghx, needed to install new kernel, everything works fine... in the console (without X) the mainboard makes sounds, how can i remove it from the kernel? |
| 12:21.28 | teeol | the standard mainboard sounds |
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| 12:23.51 | arghx | teeol: pc speaker or your soundcard? |
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| 12:26.53 | teeol | arghx, pc speaker |
| 12:26.56 | arghx | !tell heisenmink about vfatrw |
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| 12:27.15 | arghx | heisenmink: applies to ntfs too |
| 12:27.27 | arghx | !tell teeol about pcspkr |
| 12:27.33 | arghx | !tell teeol about blacklist |
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| 12:28.40 | teeol | arghx, debian is so *** ill, blacklist never heard of it thank you : P |
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| 12:35.11 | alex- | Depends: libmp3lame-dev but it is not installable |
| 12:35.17 | alex- | How can i install it anyway? |
| 12:35.26 | arghx | ,versions libmp3lame-dev |
| 12:35.28 | judd | Package: libmp3lame-dev on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 3.98.2-0.4; squeeze-multimedia: 3.98.4-0.0; squeeze-backports: 3.98.4+repack2-3~bpo60+1; sid: 3.98.4+repack2-6; wheezy: 3.98.4+repack2-6; wheezy-multimedia: 1:3.99.1-0.0; sid-multimedia: 1:3.99.2-0.0 |
| 12:35.47 | arghx | alex-: it's either contrib or non-free |
| 12:35.53 | arghx | !info libmp3lame-dev |
| 12:35.53 | alex- | How to install it? |
| 12:36.01 | arghx | ,info libmp3lame-dev |
| 12:36.04 | judd | No package named 'libmp3lame-dev' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 12:36.16 | dpkg | libmp3lame-dev: (MP3 encoding library (development)), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 3.98.4+repack2-6 (sid), Packaged size: 296 kB, Installed size: 624 kB |
| 12:36.26 | arghx | ah, not in squeez but in backports and in dmm |
| 12:36.46 | arghx | alex-: what package wants it? |
| 12:36.59 | alex- | airtime |
| 12:37.29 | arghx | well, you now know where to get it |
| 12:37.39 | arghx | and is airtime really a debian package? |
| 12:37.48 | alex- | apt.sourcefabric.org/misc/airtime-easy-install_1.9.4-7_all.deb |
| 12:38.06 | alex- | I don't know where to get it, i'm not familar with the command line interface. |
| 12:38.07 | arghx | so not a debian package |
| 12:38.35 | arghx | alex-: /msg dpkg backports /msg dpkg dmm |
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| 12:41.51 | _stefanos_ | http://wiki.debian.org/sudo |
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| 12:44.06 | teeol | sudo reboot or shutdown -r now doesnt work for me as a normal user |
| 12:44.15 | teeol | anymore, after installing the new updates |
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| 12:44.58 | _stefanos_ | it should never allow you do so as sudo user |
| 12:45.08 | _stefanos_ | it's only for root these commands |
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| 12:45.30 | teeol | _stefanos_, but ive gave me the permissions before updating, now i dont know how ; ) |
| 12:45.40 | _stefanos_ | it was sudo su |
| 12:45.56 | johskar | can do sudo -s too |
| 12:46.15 | _stefanos_ | or even sudo -c 'shutdown -r now' |
| 12:46.24 | _stefanos_ | sorry that's for su |
| 12:46.26 | alex- | Can't get it work :( |
| 12:46.26 | _stefanos_ | :P |
| 12:46.40 | teeol | nothing works |
| 12:47.10 | _stefanos_ | no it works alright; it's you who happened not to know how to use it properly ;) |
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| 12:48.20 | johskar | hard-reset the machine and see if it works then? |
| 12:49.07 | arghx | johskar: he's gone |
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| 12:52.47 | johskar | Argafal: noticed as I hit enter... |
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| 12:53.27 | alex- | How long does it takes for a server to reload the apache2 config files? |
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| 12:54.14 | Woet | alex-: how is that relevant to debian again? |
| 12:54.31 | alex- | Woet: again? |
| 12:54.52 | Woet | alex-: .. |
| 12:55.01 | alex- | What do you mean with 'again' |
| 12:55.29 | Woet | alex-: it's English. |
| 12:55.35 | alex- | I know |
| 12:55.40 | alex- | But I didn't asked that question before. |
| 12:55.50 | Woet | that's correct, it doesn't imply that. |
| 12:55.58 | alex- | And you are saying like; 'I asked you this question before' |
| 12:56.07 | Woet | no, I'm not. |
| 12:56.16 | Woet | not everything in a language is to be taken literally. |
| 12:56.19 | alex- | Why are you placing the 'again' part behind it then? |
| 12:56.33 | Woet | [13:56:15] <Woet> not everything in a language is to be taken literally. |
| 12:56.48 | alex- | English isn't my native language |
| 12:57.08 | Woet | that's great. |
| 12:57.15 | Woet | but as I said, alex-, your question is not relevant to Debian. ask in the channel of the software your question is about. |
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| 12:58.23 | alex- | My native language is the same as yours |
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| 12:58.37 | Woet | that's great too, and still not relevant to Debian. |
| 12:59.34 | stew | alex-: its really going to depend on the configuration. i tried "time /etc/init.d/apache2 reload" on two machines, with varied configs, and got times between 0.02 seconds and 0.3 seconds |
| 12:59.43 | stew | alex-: if i understood your question correctly... |
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| 13:00.43 | alex- | I changed this; http://pastebin.com/jTGgrCKt |
| 13:00.44 | alex- | But it's not working |
| 13:00.56 | alex- | So I thought it took some time for the system to take affect |
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| 13:01.42 | Woet | and on a busy server with lot of domains it takes 0m4.338s. |
| 13:01.46 | stew | alex-: did you do something like "/etc/init.d/apache2 reload"? (or restart? or stop and start?) |
| 13:01.55 | Woet | if you reload/restart apache any configuration changes take effect right away. |
| 13:01.56 | alex- | stew: i did both |
| 13:02.08 | alex- | Reloading web server config: apache2. |
| 13:02.23 | Woet | be sure to create a symlink if you are editing a file in 'sites-available' so it exists in 'sites-enabled' too. |
| 13:02.39 | stew | alex-: and what part of this isn't working? |
| 13:03.05 | alex- | Page not found |
| 13:03.15 | alex- | Ehm |
| 13:03.18 | alex- | Woet: thanks |
| 13:03.28 | alex- | Is a symlink really neccessary? |
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| 13:04.02 | stew | alex-: yes, and you typically don't make that symlink by hand, but use "a2ensite foo" where foo is the name of the file in /etc/apache2/sites-available |
| 13:04.35 | stew | alex-: well, it doesn't have to be a symlink, but if not readable in sites-available it won't be read |
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| 13:04.58 | alex- | Still not working |
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| 13:05.30 | stew | alex-: check the error log in /var/log/apache2 to see if it is looking for the file you think it should be looking for |
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| 13:07.09 | alex- | resuming normal operations |
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| 13:10.43 | alex- | nothing more... |
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| 13:12.27 | stew | alex-: if you are getting a 404, it should show up in the logs somewhere |
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| 13:12.51 | alex- | stew: http://www.webhostinghub.com/support/images/stories/website/errors/server_not_found.jpg |
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| 13:13.20 | nsadmin | alex-, pull up a pair of shell windows capable of reading files in /var/log, and use tail -f in each. put the access log in one and the error log in the other |
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| 13:13.48 | nsadmin | then try to access the page, and watch the two shells |
| 13:13.52 | antnash_ | Hi guys, I've just done a fresh install with no selects, selected no login as root, and installed chromium. It won't access any pages, even ones hosted locally on my network. I can, however, download with wget. Anyone any idea how I can fix this? |
| 13:14.21 | alex- | nsadmin: in /var/log ? |
| 13:14.24 | nsadmin | I dunno, maybe you'll find more info |
| 13:14.25 | alex- | or in /var/log/apache2/ ? |
| 13:14.33 | nsadmin | yeah, well /var/log/apache2 |
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| 13:14.42 | alex- | 2 shells in same folder? |
| 13:14.44 | alex- | why? |
| 13:14.47 | nsadmin | you should find error and access logs there |
| 13:15.06 | nsadmin | you want to watch the logs while you try accessing the page |
| 13:15.19 | alex- | nothing |
| 13:15.30 | stew | alex-: that image is a different error "Server not found" which is very different from "page not found" which one are you getting? |
| 13:15.36 | alex- | Kan geen verbinding maken |
| 13:15.45 | alex- | Could not connect |
| 13:15.55 | alex- | Don't know which one it is, I have a dutch browser |
| 13:16.00 | alex- | Woet: can you help me out? |
| 13:16.16 | Woet | #httpd surely can. |
| 13:16.30 | Woet | [13:57:15] <Woet> but as I said, alex-, your question is not relevant to Debian. ask in the channel of the software your question is about. |
| 13:16.54 | nsadmin | hmm... server not running? |
| 13:16.55 | alex- | Woet: No, I mean, 'Kan geen verbinding maken. Firefox kan geen verbinding maken met de server op 192.168.1.111:81.'. Is that 'Server not found' or 'page not found' in english ? |
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| 13:16.59 | da2ce7 | xchat2 is not woking on debian unstable with ssl... any clues to getting it work? |
| 13:17.05 | antnash_ | sudo ifconfig -a gives me eth0 and shows as connected |
| 13:17.11 | alex- | nsadmin: server is running, i can access my other website |
| 13:17.58 | nsadmin | so I dunno exactly how apache2 works, but if it's like aolserver, it will have an access log and an error log per domain |
| 13:18.06 | nsadmin | you need to find the right log files |
| 13:18.11 | alex- | I did |
| 13:18.25 | arghx | !tell antnash_ about errors |
| 13:18.31 | alex- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:19.20 | nsadmin | ok, and those files exist and you know the value of ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}? |
| 13:19.27 | alex- | yes |
| 13:19.31 | alex- | it creates the file in /var/log/apache2/ |
| 13:19.49 | nsadmin | ok, and the files do not grow? |
| 13:19.55 | alex- | nope |
| 13:19.55 | jelly-home | da2ce7: how does it fail to work? Why are you using unstable? Have you tried using the package version from testing? |
| 13:19.57 | alex- | still empty |
| 13:20.00 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 13:20.05 | jelly-home | ,versions xchat |
| 13:20.08 | judd | Package: xchat on i386 -- lenny: 2.8.6-2.1; squeeze: 2.8.8-3; wheezy: 2.8.8-3.1; sid: 2.8.8-3.1+b1 |
| 13:20.09 | nsadmin | maybe one domain is running and the other is not |
| 13:20.18 | alex- | How can I check? |
| 13:20.21 | antnash_ | arghx, I'm not getting any specific errors flagged up to me |
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| 13:20.27 | nsadmin | not sure... stew? |
| 13:20.36 | arghx | antnash_: you do get an error |
| 13:20.38 | da2ce7 | jelly-home, it fails becasue it cannot connect to my ssl keylist properly. |
| 13:20.40 | meta-coder | ,versions fontforge |
| 13:20.42 | judd | Package: fontforge on i386 -- lenny: 0.0.20080429-1+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.0.20080429-1+lenny2; squeeze: 0.0.20100501-5; sid: 0.0.20110222-4; wheezy: 0.0.20110222-4 |
| 13:20.45 | nsadmin | how can he find out which domains are running? |
| 13:20.46 | da2ce7 | even tho I have the root key installed. |
| 13:20.55 | antnash_ | arghx, where would I find the details of the error? |
| 13:21.10 | gnugr | antnash_: what you get with " lsof -i | grep -i estab " ? |
| 13:21.19 | da2ce7 | why unstable; becasue I have other unstable lib's installed, and the older versions refuse to install. |
| 13:21.20 | arghx | antnash_: in the message from chromium for example? |
| 13:21.23 | blinki | How can I get my line-in to be played out my speakers? I am using the following command but it's sounding really scratchy (like bitrate or frequency is off): `AUDIODEV=/dev/dsp0 rec -r 44100 -b 32 -e signed-integer -L -p | play -r 44100 -b 32 -e signed-integer -L -` |
| 13:21.34 | xand | nsadmin: enabled sites are in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ |
| 13:22.21 | antnash_ | arghx, I just get the standard 'Aw, Snap! something went wrong while displaying the webpage' |
| 13:22.30 | antnash_ | gnugr, I'll get lsof and find out |
| 13:22.35 | nsadmin | ahh... thanks xand. do you know how current status can be determined? perhaps an invocation of ps? |
| 13:22.49 | alex- | nsadmin: I'm a step futher |
| 13:23.08 | arghx | antnash_: then use a proper browser |
| 13:23.09 | alex- | changed my ports.conf: NameVirtualHost *:80 Listen 80 NameVirtualHost *:81 Listen 81 |
| 13:23.10 | nsadmin | alex-, do tell |
| 13:23.24 | alex- | Now it displays a white page, but the favicon is in place |
| 13:23.40 | antnash_ | gnugr: I get nothing at all, straight back to prompt |
| 13:23.51 | antnash_ | arghx: I'll get firefox now |
| 13:24.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1146] by debhelper |
| 13:24.20 | arghx | antnash_: could also try lynx |
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| 13:24.41 | antnash_ | arghx: I'll grab that too |
| 13:24.44 | alex- | nsadmin: Now it displays a white page, but the favicon is in place |
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| 13:25.38 | gnugr | antnash_: to see if browser is connected type " lsof -nPi | txt2html > ~/lsof.html " |
| 13:25.54 | Aziroshin | Hello. |
| 13:26.00 | alex- | hi |
| 13:26.16 | Aziroshin | I have an openmoko freerunner (GTA02). I've had a few distributions on that. Currently, there's an android on it. |
| 13:26.26 | antnash_ | Well this is embarassing. iceweasel connects. Excuse me for my lack of testing, and don't expect it to happen again |
| 13:26.52 | antnash_ | so it's just chromium with the issue |
| 13:27.06 | Aziroshin | That Android is in for a kick. I am wondering whether I should install debian. There is a distribution named "SHR" and I am wondering how much phone & touch friendly stuff there is in the debian repositories by now. |
| 13:27.11 | arghx | antnash_: chromium from the debian repos? |
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| 13:27.18 | antnash_ | yup |
| 13:27.30 | arghx | Aziroshin: we only support debian, not debian based distros. SHR is not debian |
| 13:27.34 | Aziroshin | (I don't want to install SHR, though. I already have a dded image with that) |
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| 13:27.58 | Aziroshin | arghx: I know. I don't want to install SHR. However, it's a good example of phone friendly stuff that might have made its appearance in debian as well. |
| 13:28.02 | gnugr | antnash_: give it a " dpkg-reconfigure chromium " |
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| 13:28.38 | alex- | Hmm |
| 13:28.42 | nsadmin | alex- so the second domain wouldn't start because port conflict? |
| 13:28.46 | alex- | nsadmin: i can access the page from the server itself |
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| 13:28.51 | alex- | but not from my pc |
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| 13:29.09 | antnash_ | gnugr, nope. that didn't do it |
| 13:29.20 | antnash_ | arghx: yeah, from the debian repos |
| 13:29.54 | arghx | antnash_: http://209.85.148.106 try this one |
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| 13:30.09 | nsadmin | this server... how far are you (feet? miles? thousands of miles?) from the server? |
| 13:30.28 | antnash_ | arghx: Nope. Same result |
| 13:30.34 | alex- | nsadmin: virtualbox |
| 13:30.45 | alex- | oh lol, it works in another browser |
| 13:30.47 | alex- | strange |
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| 13:31.12 | nsadmin | well you must know you have to :81 |
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| 13:32.14 | nsadmin | let's zoom all the way out for a moment... what is the purpose of these two apache servers? |
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| 13:32.28 | gnugr | antnash_: last try through terminal " lsof -nPi | txt2html > ~/lsof.html | gnome-open lsof.html " |
| 13:32.38 | nsadmin | you're tryingb to learn something? test something? |
| 13:32.47 | alex- | nsadmin: i know to 8 |
| 13:32.48 | alex- | 81 * |
| 13:33.03 | alex- | nsadmin: to have AirTime running on another port than my web interface |
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| 13:33.54 | nsadmin | oh, ok,,, so this is something for your home net, an interface to it? |
| 13:33.56 | antnash_ | gnugr, nope. no luck there |
| 13:34.24 | gnugr | you may need reboot next to that |
| 13:36.08 | nsadmin | ok... it does sound like things are working better... the first thing I was asking you about, a pair of terms, one to watch the access log and the other to watch the error log, these are tools for any kind of web app you can think of |
