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| 03:07.47 | salmander | Hello, does anyone know if RocketRaid 2320 is supported in any default install? |
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| 03:13.31 | dirkson | Hey all. I have complete access to /dev/sda and sdb in the shell, but the debian installer itself refuses to show me any options concerning them. Ideas? |
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| 03:19.06 | dirkson | Either 1,000 people have gone silent, or something is wrong. Hmm. |
| 03:19.20 | Bandana | hmm |
| 03:19.34 | Bandana | its the bi anual national masturbation day |
| 03:19.41 | Bandana | fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap |
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| 03:19.52 | dirkson | Well, that suggests that the entire 1,000 people have just gone silent. Oh, IRC, how I hate/love you. |
| 03:21.07 | dirkson | I don't even know where to start with the issue. Google isn't returning much of use. |
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| 03:23.51 | simonlnu | options such as? |
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| 03:26.54 | simonlnu | if you knew how many people were actually active here. maybe 15-20% tops. |
| 03:28.34 | dirkson | pokes despondently at the debian installer, "What's wrong with you? The shell understands how to find the hard drives. /dev/sda. /dev/sdb. Why can't you?" |
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| 03:32.22 | un214 | nice, got my system into a real garden-of-eaden state |
| 03:32.57 | dirkson | decides to try a firmware upgrade. Because why not? |
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| 03:37.20 | simonlnu | dirkson: driver not detected/loaded? you could restart the installer itself. not reboot, but re-do the h/w detect. |
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| 03:38.03 | dirkson | simonlnu: Done that loads of times. No change - Although it asks me to select a driver when I do it the second time. (I have no idea what to select. It's just a sata drive, and there's no sata-generic driver.) |
| 03:38.49 | simonlnu | it'll use some scsi subsystem driver, or some other thing. |
| 03:39.15 | simonlnu | some sata-amd or wtfever they're called.... |
| 03:39.21 | simonlnu | e.g. |
| 03:39.26 | dirkson | I'm just confused why the install system needs a driver at all - Hasn't the system already found and used the drive? (Since I can run fdisk on /dev/sda) |
| 03:40.36 | simonlnu | dunno, i said that because it might give it a kick in the pants |
| 03:42.02 | dirkson | Well, I still don't know which driver to select. There' 40-50 of the things, and lots of them have ata or scsi in 'em. |
| 03:42.44 | simonlnu | depends on your hardware, of course |
| 03:43.09 | simonlnu | time for bed soon |
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| 03:44.23 | kandinski | the presenter console extension doesn't come with LibreOffice Impress by default |
| 03:44.23 | dirkson | I have no concept of how to determine the driver for my hardware, actually :D I've never had to do it for anything besides the graphic card for ...6 or 7 years? |
| 03:44.28 | kandinski | anybody knows why? |
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| 03:46.01 | nevyn | you have access to /dev/sda and /dev/sdb in the installer shell but debian-installer is saying "no hard disk detected" ? |
| 03:46.25 | un214 | ok that's weird |
| 03:46.30 | un214 | are they both cdrom? |
| 03:46.51 | kandinski | oh, it/s there, just not in the Software Center |
| 03:47.01 | kandinski | just another reason to use Synaptic or aptitude on the command line |
| 03:47.24 | dirkson | nevyn: Not quite. The debian installer doesn't error on the first attempt to detect disks, then drops me to a blank-ish screen (Gives me two options, one of which errors and one of which freezes the installer) when I go to partition my drives. When I re-detect disks, it asks for a driver. |
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| 03:48.06 | dirkson | nevyn: One of the options is something like "undo changes" (What changes?) and that freezes things. The other is "Finish partitioning", and that errors, since it hasn't given my anything to partition |
| 03:48.17 | dirkson | nevyn: This is the latest testing installer |
| 03:48.29 | un214 | in that case I'd try partition by fdisk and then install to pre-made partitions |
| 03:49.21 | dirkson | un214: How would I manually install like that? The "partiton" tool is also the tool that tells debian-installer what drives to use how. Plus, I was rather counting on the debian installer to do the hard work of software raiding the thing for me :-/ |
| 03:49.56 | un214 | last time I installed if partitions existed it would let me select them |
| 03:50.09 | simonlnu | dirkson: well, that's what you get for using the testing d-i ;) |
| 03:50.12 | un214 | sorry dirkson I don't know how to do raid by hand |
| 03:50.37 | dirkson | un214: Last time you installed it could probably detect your hard disks too :D It doesn't allow me to do /anything/ with hard disks, whether they're pre-partitioned or not. |
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| 03:50.54 | un214 | ok that's bad |
| 03:51.09 | boudiccas | dirkson; are you using the gui for the install? if so, try the text install |
| 03:51.11 | un214 | if I knew how to do raid setup I'd walk you through debootstrap but well too bad |
| 03:51.19 | dirkson | boudiccas: Nope, using the test expert install. |
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| 03:51.35 | Guest40473 | how can i run a shell script, that i have mounted via gvfs/ssh? |
| 03:51.56 | Guest40473 | i cannot seem to be able to find the mount point... i see ~/.local/share/gvfs-metadata... |
| 03:52.23 | boudiccas | dirkson; can you not install squeeze/stable and then upgrade to wheezy? |
| 03:52.55 | dirkson | boudiccas: I was afraid someone would say that. I could certainly try - I have a feeling it'll just multiply my problems, though. (All this hardware is new.) |
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| 03:53.54 | boudiccas | dirkson; it may be a faulty testing install setup, not your fault. if you can install squeeze/stable then it shows that its the wheezy install and not your hardware |
| 03:54.05 | Guest40473 | ~/.gvfs/ is empty.. |
| 03:54.05 | apt | okay, Guest40473 |
| 03:54.38 | simonlnu | apt: forget /.gvfs/ |
| 03:54.38 | apt | i forgot /.gvfs/, simonlnu |
| 03:54.49 | Guest40473 | oh, sorry |
| 03:54.53 | Guest40473 | (for whatever that was) |
| 03:55.02 | simonlnu | honest mistake =) |
| 03:55.06 | dirkson | boudiccas: Possible. I just installed the same exact image on a different bit of hardware without issue, though. I'm downloading the Dawn-of-time ("stable") distro now. |
| 03:55.41 | boudiccas | dirkson; 'dawn of time'? what do you mean? |
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| 03:56.02 | dirkson | boudiccas: Stable tends to be a little ancient for my tastes :D |
| 03:56.09 | simonlnu | reference to "omg stable is ancient i'm gonna die lulz" |
| 03:56.21 | dirkson | simonlnu's got the joke. |
| 03:56.31 | boudiccas | dirkson; k, fair enough. but once you get set up with it you can upgrade to wheezy |
| 03:56.47 | dirkson | boudiccas: Yup, I've done that before. Messy and ugly, but it worked. |
| 03:56.58 | simonlnu | just skip installing any tasks, it'll make it faster |
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| 03:57.10 | dirkson | Tasks? |
| 03:57.24 | simonlnu | 'desktop' 'dns server' etc. |
| 03:57.48 | dirkson | Ah, right. I don't tend to install any of those anyway. I'll apt-get whatever packages I need, thanks installer :D |
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| 03:58.30 | un214 | hey this is great I'm running wheezy and haven't hit any bugs except for the one I ready reported against squeeze |
| 03:58.31 | dirkson | I was, in fact, sorely tempted to try unchecking the default one and seeing what that did :D Probably nothing particularly useful : ) |
| 03:59.16 | dirkson | I'm off to eat dinner while stable downloads. I'll report back success/failure, if anyone's still interested. Cheers : ) |
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| 04:03.58 | john_rambo | I am using Sqeeze. Is there a way to install mplayer2? |
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| 04:04.39 | simonlnu | !dmm |
| 04:04.40 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
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| 04:14.13 | da_tash | !hi |
| 04:14.21 | da_tash | where is dpkg? |
| 04:15.37 | boudiccas | ping timed out at 0413 |
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| 04:17.37 | kandinski | big difference in battery life between ubuntu and ubuntu2d, that is between unity and unity2d |
| 04:17.44 | kandinski | I wish it were a configurable option |
| 04:17.58 | kandinski | that is, you could switch between unity and unity2d without logging out |
| 04:18.00 | simonlnu | this is relevant how? |
| 04:18.29 | simonlnu | doesn't see ubuntu in the channel name |
| 04:18.35 | kandinski | oh shit |
| 04:18.37 | kandinski | wrong window |
| 04:18.46 | simonlnu | heh |
| 04:18.49 | kandinski | sorry sorry :* |
| 04:18.59 | simonlnu | AKA ECHAN =) |
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| 04:19.15 | kandinski | seriously, I should not have |
| 04:19.29 | kandinski | atones |
| 04:19.42 | simonlnu | it's ok |
| 04:20.08 | simonlnu | it's a mistake, no big deal |
| 04:20.29 | un214 | meh |
| 04:20.47 | kandinski | simonlnu, I am also making sure debian is on 10 and ubuntu on 19 in irssi, and not on 12 and 13 as before :) |
| 04:21.02 | simonlnu | un214: what, you're perfect? ;) |
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| 04:24.33 | boudiccas | kandinski; its okay javier, no blood has been spilt ................... yet! :) |
| 04:24.55 | john_rambo | simonlnu, Added the http://debian-multimedia.org/ ...but cant find mplayer 2 |
| 04:25.10 | john_rambo | are you using it ? |
| 04:25.38 | simonlnu | it's called mplayer. did you run an update? |
| 04:27.14 | john_rambo | simonlnu, yes I did apt-get update ...I am talking about http://www.mplayer2.org/ |
| 04:27.36 | john_rambo | & upgrade |
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| 04:28.09 | simonlnu | ah, well, they probably don't. you could probably file a request bug (rfp) |
| 04:29.53 | john_rambo | simonlnu, May be it has arrived in the Testing & Unstable repos ? |
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| 04:41.21 | simonlnu | john_rambo: possibly... but it won't run on squeeze properly |
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| 04:45.23 | simonlnu | you'd have to backport it if it is |
| 04:46.18 | john_rambo | simonlnu, what if I add the sid repos? |
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| 04:46.55 | yagoo | i just sent an wnpp.. wondering it it went through.. my reportbug wasn't setup with a proper return address |
| 04:47.02 | yagoo | (package wnpp zivios) |
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| 04:54.03 | Jef91 | My normal user cannot issue shutdown/restart commands any ideas why? |
| 04:54.13 | Jef91 | I just created them as a new user, do I need to set permissions somewhere for this? |
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| 04:57.14 | langkid1 | Jef91, I think shutdown and restart would be root permissions needed |
| 04:57.29 | langkid1 | on ubuntu I would say add to sudo but I don't know with debian |
| 04:57.42 | Jef91 | well Debian has sudo |
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| 05:02.39 | wolfman3k5 | how do I prebent apt-get upgrade from upgrading the kernel? |
| 05:09.10 | wolfman3k5 | how do I prebent apt-get upgrade from upgrading the kernel? |
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| 05:12.00 | iluminator105 | is there a bug on unresponsive screen/suspend on debian wheezy |
| 05:12.02 | nevyn | don't install linux-26 |
| 05:12.54 | eirich | has anyone successfully enabled and used xdmcp in debian squeeze? |
| 05:14.17 | tensorpudding | yes |
| 05:14.21 | tensorpudding | just yesterday |
| 05:14.34 | nevyn | xdmcp srsly? |
| 05:14.42 | eirich | yep |
| 05:14.42 | nevyn | like the ancient X display manager thing? |
| 05:14.56 | tensorpudding | it works with gdm 2 |
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| 05:14.58 | kl4m_ | wolfman3k5, !pinning |
| 05:15.01 | eirich | exactly. it's better than vnc |
| 05:15.12 | kl4m_ | !pinning @ wolfman3k5 |
| 05:15.13 | tensorpudding | i wouldn't say that necessarily |
| 05:15.19 | eirich | at least in my expieriences. |
| 05:15.32 | kl4m_ | ah right, I'm not in #ubuntu. ah |
| 05:15.33 | tensorpudding | well, it has the advantage of supporting whatever size client you want |
| 05:16.23 | eirich | in my case, it also has the advantage of me not having to have monitor attached but leaves the option for a gui login from my latop. |
| 05:16.25 | eirich | laptop |
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| 05:17.48 | eirich | so tensorpudding, you got it to work gdm 2, not gdm3? |
| 05:17.56 | tensorpudding | i haven't tried in gdm 3 |
| 05:18.00 | wolfman3k5 | kl4m_ can you please pm me the details of pinning, I got a VPS with PyGrup and when I run the apt-get upgrade command it messes up grub |
| 05:18.06 | yagoo | anyone knows, can i use a non .com-like domainname for practicing ldap? (slapd) |
| 05:18.09 | wolfman3k5 | throws errors back at me |
| 05:18.22 | wolfman3k5 | yagoo yes you can |
| 05:18.37 | eirich | ah ok. |
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| 05:20.05 | tensorpudding | i'm only using gnome 3 on my ubuntu laptop and i don't need to log into that remotely |
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| 05:23.19 | ruslan_osmanov | hi. cannot install libreoffice in squeeze |
| 05:23.48 | ruslan_osmanov | broken packages etc. aptitude -r -t experimental install libreoffice didn't help as somebody suggested on the forum |
| 05:23.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | its in backports |
| 05:24.02 | ruslan_osmanov | only& |
| 05:24.03 | ruslan_osmanov | ? |
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| 05:24.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | ruslan_osmanov: anyone who tells you to install experimental packages on stable deserves to be slaped |
| 05:24.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: versions libreoffice |
| 05:24.23 | judd | Package: libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.4.3-3~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:3.4.3-4; sid: 1:3.4.4-1+b1 |
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| 05:30.17 | eft | I've installed debian squeeze on a VirtualBox guest and the guest additions appear to be added |
| 05:30.18 | eft | won't this conflict with the version that comes bundled with my version of VitrualBox? |
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| 05:32.00 | iluminator105 | is there a bug on unresponsive screen/suspend on debian wheezy after an extended time of being idle can refer me to the bug have experienced a similar problem |
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| 05:34.44 | iluminator105 | how do i find out what went wrong since this happens the screen goes blank and i have to reboot? |
| 05:34.51 | kl4m_ | eft: the out-of-the-box guest additions should be fine, I don't bother installing the latest ones personnally |
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| 05:38.56 | eft | kl4m_: ok, but I am using Vagrant to spin up VMs and I'm nervous about what seems to be quite different version numbers |
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| 05:39.49 | eft | I see from the debian wiki that I can prevent the OSE modules from loading at start up - do you know if I can remove completely? |
| 05:40.10 | iluminator105 | what log file would i check if computer becomes unresponsive |
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| 05:43.26 | yagoo | eft, there's no point in asking this.. simply remove the one you're not supposed to be using.. |
| 05:43.31 | kl4m_ | eft, you can remove virtualbox-ose-guest-*, if it's not a graphical install you won't lose much |
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| 05:50.36 | gentz | My debian testing laptop can connect to my debian stable via ssh, but vice versa i get debug3: Not a RSA1 key file /home/alex/.ssh/id_rsa. Any ideas what the problem could be ? |
| 05:50.44 | eft | kl4m_: ok thanks - I'm running headless - do I run apt-get --purge remove <pacakage>? |
| 05:53.34 | kl4m_ | eft, I see it pulls a couple of strange dependencies the likes of gcc, so if you feel adventurous you could apt-get remove --auto-remove them to avoid putting back a set of replacements, but a simple remove (or purge) is enough |
| 05:54.20 | kl4m_ | like apt-get remove --auto-remove virtualbox-ose-guest-* |
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| 05:54.40 | hapoliphe | gentz, on the testing laptop, you could try to: mv /home/alex/.ssh/id.rsa /home/alex |
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| 05:56.13 | eft | kl4m_: yup I just ran apt-get --purge remove virtualbox-ose-* and was surprised that it downloaded and installed a bunch of stuff |
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| 06:03.59 | gentz | The testing laptop can also not connect to itself & hosts.allow has ALL: ALL & permission are set correctly. i think it has something to do with the key |
| 06:04.30 | hapoliphe | gentz, yes, it says so... |
| 06:04.44 | hapoliphe | gentz, did you try to move the key away? |
| 06:04.53 | gentz | hapoliphe: yes. it didn't work. |
| 06:05.14 | hapoliphe | gentz, with the same error message? |
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| 06:06.35 | dirkson | boudiccas: simonlnu: Sadly, since the stable installer doesn't appear to ship with wpa support, I can't really connect to the internet. Now I'm back to square one. I wonder what the least annoying method of installation will be. |
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| 06:07.07 | gentz | hapoliphe: no, it can't find the key. |
| 06:07.18 | gentz | hapoliphe: it's looking in /home/.../.ssh/ |
| 06:08.22 | hapoliphe | gentz, you configured the server to require an rsa key? |
| 06:08.58 | gentz | hapoliphe: yes. |
| 06:09.10 | gentz | hapoliphe: i tried generating a dsa pair & i get the same error |
| 06:15.23 | hapoliphe | gentz, what is the result of: file $HOME/.ssh/id.rsa |
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| 06:16.04 | gentz | hapoliphe: PEM RSA private key |
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| 06:16.45 | hapoliphe | gentz, then I am lost, sorry... |
| 06:17.03 | gentz | hapoliphe: damn ok thanks. |
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| 06:18.22 | dirkson | Hmm. I can access /dev/sda. But the debian installer cannot locate it, and asks me to choose a driver for it. What do I do here? |
| 06:19.20 | hapoliphe | gentz, wait: the laptop can connect to the other machine but not the opposite, right? |
| 06:19.37 | gentz | hapoliphe: yes. & the laptop cannot connect to itself |
| 06:20.05 | gentz | hapoliphe: i.e. ssh user@localhost fails |
| 06:20.15 | gentz | hapoliphe: both machines have the same pub & priv keys btw |
| 06:22.04 | hapoliphe | gentz, what is the error hen trying to connect from the laptop to the laptop? |
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| 06:25.55 | gentz | hapoliphe: here i pasted it: http://pastebin.com/yRKQsFtU |
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| 06:31.34 | gentz | hapoliphe: hmm it seems its not an ssh issue. |
| 06:32.02 | gentz | hapoliphe: i allowed password & the same thing happens after sending password packet, wait for reply |
| 06:32.21 | gentz | hapoliphe: but my hosts.deny is empty & hosts.allow is set to ALL: ALL |
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| 06:40.37 | hapoliphe | gentz, you could try to look at tail -f /var/log/auth.log while trying to ssh into the laptop. |
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| 06:46.27 | mah454 | How can calculate partition size with fdisk command ? |
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| 06:49.16 | en1gma | can someone invite me to #debian-next |
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| 06:52.06 | nevyn | you don't need an invite do you? |
| 06:52.12 | nevyn | but it's on oftc not freenode. |
| 06:52.12 | en1gma | it says i do |
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| 06:52.17 | en1gma | ohhh |
| 06:52.30 | en1gma | omg i wonder why its tehre |
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| 06:53.19 | en1gma | thanks for pointing that out |
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| 06:54.11 | nevyn | en1gma: because that's also where the "official" #debian is |
| 06:54.28 | en1gma | is it really |
| 06:54.45 | nevyn | !#debian |
| 06:54.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, #debian is home sweet home! :) |
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| 06:54.50 | en1gma | :) |
| 06:55.00 | nevyn | !debian irc |
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| 07:42.49 | LordTrev | How can I upgrade from squeeze to testing? |
| 07:43.10 | ompaul | why |
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| 07:43.29 | blackshirt | LordTrev: you can do it easily |
| 07:43.31 | ompaul | LordTrev: let me elaborate, what is in testing you need |
| 07:43.50 | LordTrev | ompaul, newer software, less free time, etc. |
| 07:44.00 | LordTrev | blackshirt, how? |
| 07:44.21 | blackshirt | LordTrev: but it was not recommended for production, stability is more important |
| 07:44.26 | ompaul | LordTrev: less free time ... so you want to deal with a box that will break during it's lifetime by having less free time |
| 07:44.45 | ompaul | when currently you deal with stable ... |
| 07:44.56 | LordTrev | No, the less free time is caused, by using testing |
| 07:44.58 | LordTrev | :P |
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| 07:45.34 | LordTrev | Also I want the newet version of xfce |
| 07:45.40 | LordTrev | I am missing a feature I like |
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| 07:45.57 | ompaul | that will only fall from the sky when it falls from SID etc and will change but here we go |
| 07:46.22 | ompaul | !tell LordTrev about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 07:46.44 | ompaul | LordTrev: read the message from the bot |
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| 07:47.05 | LordTrev | Ok, thanks |
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| 07:47.57 | reenignEesreveR | whats the way to download all minimum debian related stuff as in GNU utilities etc. ?? |
| 07:48.12 | blackshirt | !tell blackshirt about squeeze->wheezy |
| 07:48.25 | ompaul | !tell blackshirt about selftell |
| 07:48.27 | ompaul | ;-) |
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| 07:48.57 | blackshirt | :-D |
| 07:48.58 | ompaul | and anyone else /msg dpkg selftell to find out how to find out things ;-) |
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| 07:49.42 | ompaul | reenignEesreveR: so there are a couple of things a chroot install or use netinstall to give you the basic minimum |
| 07:50.21 | reenignEesreveR | actually i wanna try out a new kernel in qemu |
| 07:50.29 | ompaul | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer |
| 07:50.59 | ompaul | there you to see all the stuff - and for it will work for qemu also |
| 07:51.27 | ompaul | reenignEesreveR: if time is important netinstall base +ssh server |
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| 07:52.40 | reenignEesreveR | thanks |
| 07:52.50 | reenignEesreveR | hmmm... whats debootstrap? |
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| 07:54.10 | mah454 | How can recover partition table without testdisk ? |
| 07:54.26 | blackshirt | renignEesreveR: debian bootstrap, tool to create debian-based strap |
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| 07:56.25 | ompaul | reenignEesreveR: de bootstrap perhaps a quick visit to wikipedia and keep in mind it is debian based :) |
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| 08:02.19 | mah454 | I need partition recovery tools .. |
| 08:02.57 | blackshirt | mah454: testdisk |
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| 08:03.16 | mah454 | blackshirt, without this ... Other tools |
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| 08:05.20 | sickgut | you xchat tries to login as your username, root |
| 08:05.37 | sickgut | and it errors out because there is usually already the name root already taken |
| 08:05.52 | sickgut | or the irc server dont allow the username root |
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| 08:06.06 | sickgut | and when i say that i mean the nickname root |
| 08:06.21 | sickgut | the xchat defaults to use your username as your nickname |
| 08:06.39 | sickgut | omg sry mischannel ppl |
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| 08:17.23 | fly80 | hello |
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| 08:18.47 | fly80 | sometimes my sound gets off... i don't know why... btw, how should I restart the sound module? |
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| 08:22.35 | nevyn | you shouldn't |
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| 08:27.38 | handygandy | fly80: pkill -15 pulseaudio if that doesn't work pkill -9 pulseaudio |
| 08:28.43 | fly80 | handygandy, just killing? |
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| 08:29.53 | handygandy | fly80: That strongest thing you can do other then rebooting. It will mess up some applications that use sound--meaning you may have to restart them. |
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| 08:33.05 | fly80 | handygandy, it seems it doesn't work |
| 08:33.36 | handygandy | fly80: Then you must reboot. |
| 08:34.37 | fly80 | handygandy, ok, but i would like to know why the sound stop to work sometimes without reasons |
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| 08:42.36 | jokar | all: |
| 08:42.40 | jokar | hello all |
| 08:42.56 | jokar | how export my AD users to the Openldap and samaba |
| 08:43.01 | jokar | samba |
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| 08:44.24 | somiaj | jokar: AD users? samba by default can use the system users and don't need to create a new samba database for them. |
| 08:45.21 | jokar | i have a windows server with AD and want migration to the linux |
| 08:46.26 | jokar | what should i do? |
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| 08:48.04 | jokar | :-/ |
| 08:48.46 | somiaj | haven't messed with that, quick serach returns the package winbind |
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| 08:49.02 | somiaj | but that only allows you to connect to AD, didn't say anything about migrating |
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| 08:54.18 | nevyn | net vampire |
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| 09:02.28 | jelly-home | jokar: that is a very complex issue. Use your google skills. Try samba support venues, or debian-enterprise mailing list. |
| 09:02.50 | jokar | :'( |
| 09:03.08 | jelly-home | ... or hire a consultant |
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| 09:29.47 | Seldaek | heya, I have this MAILTO="cron@seld.be" in my crontab, and I get returned emails because cron somehow tries to email cron@elld.be. Any clue why that could happen, and how I could fix it? It sounds like a weird bug.. |
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| 09:33.17 | skorzen | Anyone here using Samba + winbindd? |
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| 09:37.52 | mah454 | I can not run compiz in debian ! receive this error : WARNING: Application calling GLX 1.3 function "glXCreatePixmap" when GLX 1.3 is not supported! This is an application bug! |
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| 09:39.42 | mah454 | sorry i disconnected |
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| 09:39.46 | mah454 | this error : WARNING: Application calling GLX 1.3 function "glXCreatePixmap" when GLX 1.3 is not supported! This is an application bug! |
| 09:40.06 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... is this the official forums for debian ? -> http://forums.debian.net/ ? |
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| 09:42.18 | Seb | cobra-the-joker: as close as it gets to official, I believe |
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| 09:43.15 | Jarvis | mah454: whats the output from dpkg -l | grep compiz-core |
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| 09:43.59 | mah454 | Jarvis, this package installed ... |
| 09:44.07 | Jarvis | whats the version :) |
| 09:44.13 | cobra-the-joker | Seb, ok |
| 09:44.34 | mah454 | Jarvis, 0.8.4-4 |
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| 09:44.46 | Jarvis | hmm ok |
| 09:44.47 | mah454 | I use debian stable |
| 09:44.56 | mah454 | Squeeze |
| 09:45.34 | Jarvis | mah454: i'd report it via reportbug |
| 09:46.11 | Jarvis | aha |
| 09:46.24 | mah454 | Jarvis, this debug : http://pastebin.com/1CQ3rcj0 |
| 09:47.27 | Jarvis | hmm i've just ounf http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=551647 |
| 09:47.32 | Jarvis | *just found |
| 09:47.38 | Jarvis | which is a similar error |
| 09:48.16 | Jarvis | but its not been replied to in a while |
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| 09:50.58 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys .... i want to remove kdepim packages ... but it tells me to remove kde-full .... how can i remove kdepim programs without messing my kde system ? |
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| 09:51.17 | jony123 | I have a computer with a p4 processer what arch do i use? |
| 09:51.30 | mah454 | I disconnected ... |
| 09:51.53 | Jarvis | either way mah454 i'd recommend reportbug compiz |
| 09:52.01 | cobra-the-joker | jony123, 32-bit or x86 |
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| 09:53.17 | ksx4system | jiny123: i686 |
| 09:53.30 | ksx4system | jony123 * ---^ |
| 09:53.53 | jony123 | cool |
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| 09:54.02 | jony123 | thannks, just wnated to be sure |
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| 10:04.18 | somiaj | cobra-the-joker: kde-full is just a meta-package pointing to all the components of kde, it does nothing on its own. If you remove part of kde you have to remove the meta-package that depends on it. But you'll still have all the other kde packages installed (may just have to set some to manual) |
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| 10:06.40 | cusco_ | hi folks |
| 10:07.08 | cusco_ | noticed gnome3 on testing and I'm not being able to start gnome.. any hints? |
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| 10:20.01 | jokar | all: |
| 10:20.04 | jokar | hello all |
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| 10:20.18 | jokar | i install some samba additional tool but my network not opened :( |
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| 10:21.48 | KamZou | Hello, i have a DHCP DDNS problem : I would like my clients to have a lease greater than 78h, but my DHCP server try to update my DNS exactly 24h after the client get the lease. Do you know why the DHCP is trying to make a DNS update and how to increase / remove this ? |
| 10:22.24 | KamZou | ps : i've configured : deny client-updates; |
| 10:23.42 | cobra-the-joker | somiaj, ok thanx |
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| 10:24.21 | cobra-the-joker | somiaj, nope .... its willing to remove all of kde |
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| 10:25.06 | somiaj | cobra-the-joker: are you using aptitude? That is because the rest of kde is set up on 'auto' so you remove the one meta package that brought it in it takes out the auto installs. Just set a few of the core ones to main |
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| 10:25.58 | somiaj | cobra-the-joker: to manual -- that is why I said that in my first commnet. I don't use kde so I can't tell you which packages will be the best to make manual. Also apt-get won't autoremove by default, so you can at least figure out which packages to set manual |
| 10:26.08 | somiaj | cobra-the-joker: I'm sure aptitude can do this too, I'm just not as familar with it |
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| 10:26.27 | cobra-the-joker | somiaj, ok will try |
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| 10:36.40 | blackshirt | cobra-the-joker: aptitude was great |
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| 10:51.16 | SuperPhly | So I just installed icecast-server on my server... where is the documentation for how to configure/manage this software? I'm looking at this page: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/icecast-server and I can't seem to find a link that has instructions |
| 10:51.23 | jtheuer | do you know how I can print a tree to the console? my data is |id|parentid|name| ? anything that would help me? (I know some perl...) |
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| 10:52.21 | somiaj | SuperPhly: /usr/share/doc/<pkg name> usually contains useful configureation info and issues in Debian for postinstall stuff. |
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| 10:52.45 | SuperPhly | ah, gotcha |
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| 10:57.23 | ubsafder | i have a ssh connection to a server . now how can i see TTY9 |
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| 10:58.25 | somiaj | ubsafder: in what sense? Really you cannot just connect to it (afiak), but if you run things in screen you can detatch/attach it to various terminals |
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| 10:59.20 | ubsafder | i am trying to see the output of a service started automatically |
| 10:59.37 | somiaj | ubsafder: what service, that is usually put into log files? |
| 11:00.00 | ubsafder | asterisk |
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| 11:02.06 | somiaj | ubsafder: I'd look for a log file in /var/log -- maybe check the config file /etc/asterisk to see what the default logfile is set to. Many thigns will also output to some of the major logfiles, (: |
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| 11:06.37 | ubsafder | well chvt looks to be wath i was looking for |
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| 11:10.44 | male26 | BRAND NEW WEBSITE TO SHARE YOUR CHRISTMAS WISHES |
| 11:10.45 | male26 | http://www.santaswall.net |
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| 11:11.56 | b3hnam | I found many tools for remastering debian on google but which one is easier for creating a live iso debian ? |
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| 11:16.31 | nkuttler | !tell b3hnam about debian live |
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| 11:23.00 | b3hnam | nkuttler: How can I customize Debian live ? should I use ? mklivecd |
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| 11:25.00 | mmv | see debian-live documentation |
| 11:26.24 | b3hnam | mmv: is any easier (faster way) software to remaster ? for example a software with GUI ? |
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| 11:38.46 | gnarface | ok so i'm messing with preloading and some stuff doesn't make sense exactly. can someone help me with some clarifications of understanding here? should debconf-get-selections be showing me the current system settings, or a history of all the settings that have been made, in (in reverse order from newest to oldest) or... other? |
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| 11:40.58 | gnarface | for example, when i run this: "debconf-get-selections |grep tzdata" why does it output a list of timezones other than my own, and the one that mine is set to is neither the first nor last, nor, i'm sure, did i ever set my timezone to "tzdata/Zones/Indian" or "tzdata/Zones/Asia" even on accident |
| 11:41.12 | gnarface | ? any help is appreciated |
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| 11:55.57 | lorenzosu | any hints on how to allow user to run cpufreq-set? |
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| 11:57.13 | gnarface | lorenzosu: with sudo? |
| 11:57.53 | lorenzosu | gnarface: I see |
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| 11:59.15 | gnarface | lorenzosu: its nobody's favorite thing, but the /etc/sudoers file has a syntax that allows setting specific commands users can run as specific other users (its not necessary to give someone root access to everything just to give them root access to *something*) |
| 11:59.52 | gnarface | lorenzosu: it should be noted however though that if this is a multi-user system (other people besides you will be touching it) then there is probably a good reason they can't access the cpu speed by default |
| 12:00.48 | gnarface | lorenzosu: if you trust the other users but just want to minimize the risk of accident, sudo is the way to go |
| 12:01.15 | lorenzosu | gnarface: it's a single-user desktop. I was just wondering if there were a more specific way of doing it, than using sudo |
| 12:02.23 | gnarface | lorenzosu: well i set my cpu speed and speed governor just by echoing values into /sys but that also needs to be done as root :-/ i'm not sure its possible (or safe) to chmod /sys maybe someone else here can advise you on that |
| 12:02.34 | lorenzosu | looks like lots of the documentation points to gnome cpu applet (which I admit mostly using for quite some time). But I have a script from my previous installation which called cpufreq-set without sudo, and was trying to figure how I got it to work |
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| 12:02.55 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.58 | lorenzosu | gnarface: in that case probably I'd prefer to use sudo :) |
| 12:03.09 | gnarface | lorenzosu: there's a way to chmod a file so it executes as root no matter what user uses it |
| 12:03.32 | gnarface | lorenzosu: i always forget cause i never use that, but i think you could do that |
| 12:03.44 | lorenzosu | gnarface: cool I look into it. |
| 12:03.48 | lorenzosu | *I'll |
| 12:04.14 | gnarface | lorenzosu: i think its just chmod u+s [username] but you should read the man page |
| 12:04.29 | gnarface | lorenzosu: (where username is the user you want it to run as) |
| 12:04.36 | gnarface | lorenzosu: use with care |
| 12:04.48 | gnarface | lorenzosu: it is a HUGE security hole |
| 12:05.10 | lorenzosu | gnarface: ok thanks, I think I prefer sudo though |
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| 12:05.34 | gnarface | lorenzosu: a wise choice i think |
| 12:06.10 | gnarface | lorenzosu: the documentation is pretty self contained, just read the man page until it all makes sense |
| 12:06.18 | gnarface | lorenzosu: i had to read it 3 times |
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| 12:24.05 | k3n | How do you check how much disk space you have left? |
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| 12:26.07 | debsan | k3n, man df |
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| 12:30.26 | Jarvis | k3n: df -h / |
| 12:30.41 | k3n | thanks Jarvis and debsan |
| 12:30.50 | k3n | Yeah i just read the man page :) |
| 12:31.35 | debsan | :) |
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| 12:46.04 | susam | my internal mic isn't working with debian. how can I fix it? |
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| 12:51.00 | siouX_ | which software runs without X, to analise the life of HD.. dds mart |
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| 12:51.39 | petemc | smartmontools |
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| 12:52.12 | siouX_ | thanks =) |
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| 13:09.25 | Twinkletoes | Several different users need to update website files (/var/www/main). The files are owned by one of the users, and group-owned by www-data. Nested groups would be ideal, but obviously not available. Any hints for schemes I can use? |
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| 13:10.07 | WormFood | is the -i option for the "env" command busted? It does not act as I expect. I'd expect "env -i echo $HOME" to print nothing, but instead it prints the home directory. Am I a retard and don't know how that option works, or is it broken? |
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| 13:10.40 | WormFood | Twinkletoes, make your users a member of the www-data group, or have you tried that? |
| 13:11.01 | Twinkletoes | WormFood: that would require giving write-access to the group |
| 13:11.33 | jelly | WormFood: ask yourself this question: at which point in execution is "$HOME" expanded to its value |
| 13:11.40 | Twinkletoes | WormFood: My experience of apache is patchy (pardon the pun), but in default installs, is it enough that apache can server files just by world-readbale? |
| 13:11.44 | WormFood | how are they supposed to update files, without write access? |
| 13:12.18 | WormFood | yes, apache can /will serve files out that are world readable |
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| 13:12.43 | Twinkletoes | WormFood: Ok, I'll give it a go - thanks for the clarification |
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| 13:13.32 | Dantix | hi all, I've found at http://archive.debian.net/sarge-backports/web/ the packages I need to install php5 on a sarge box. Can I add this sita as an apt source? how? |
| 13:13.43 | stew | www-data should not own files in general |
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| 13:14.44 | abrotman | Twinkletoes: you realize that's how they came up with the name IIRC? a patchy server? |
| 13:14.46 | WormFood | Twinkletoes, you can make a new group for your users, and that may be what you need (I'm not sure exactly how you envision your groups) |
| 13:15.09 | WormFood | that is correct abrotman...I remember too |
| 13:15.36 | Twinkletoes | abrotman: Haha, no I didn't :) |
| 13:16.23 | Twinkletoes | WormFood: Yes that's what I'll do - must make sure I don't break anything when I remove user AND group ownership of the web directories, from www-data |
| 13:16.41 | WormFood | stew, some files pretty much need to be owned by www-data, or be world writable, right? (the files that need to be changed by the web server, which hopefully will be few) |
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| 13:17.13 | WormFood | yeah Twinkletoes , of course you'll want to test it before you put it into action. |
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| 13:18.29 | WormFood | now, is "env -i" busted? It does not work right for me (or as I expect it to)....or is that command so "obscure" that nobody uses it anymore? |
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| 13:19.57 | jelly | WormFood: instead of assuming a common command is broken, try assuming you're doing something wrong once in a while. |
| 13:20.26 | WormFood | jelly, read my previous question. Why does it not work as I expect? |
| 13:20.35 | jelly | WormFood: can you answer _my_ previous question? |
| 13:20.43 | WormFood | and I did not assume the command was broken... |
| 13:20.48 | WormFood | what question? |
| 13:20.50 | jelly | WormFood: at which point in execution is "$HOME" expanded to its value |
| 13:21.59 | jelly | WormFood: answer: like *, it's expanded by the shell before any command you typed in is run. The command itself does not see $HOME |
| 13:22.01 | WormFood | when echo is executed |
| 13:22.12 | WormFood | oh, I see |
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| 13:22.39 | WormFood | makes sense now, it is being replaced by the shell before env is being executed |
| 13:23.09 | jelly | WormFood: now try env -i sh -c 'echo $HOME' |
| 13:23.39 | WormFood | so "env -i echo $HOME" is actually expanded and executed as "env -i echo /home/whatever" |
| 13:24.04 | jelly | indeed |
| 13:24.11 | jelly | same thing with * |
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| 13:24.12 | WormFood | I had totally forgotten about the shell expanding that |
| 13:24.20 | WormFood | right, that one I remember well |
| 13:24.25 | WormFood | because I use it enough |
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| 13:24.50 | WormFood | but, I'm thinking of it more like a programming language, and forgetting about the effects of the executing shell |
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| 13:25.25 | WormFood | thanks jelly...I'm retarded |
| 13:26.09 | abrotman | we know :) |
| 13:26.32 | jelly | well on your defense, the mechanism is not really obvious |
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| 13:29.55 | WormFood | I am so programmed to escape *, but not $...really tripped me up this time. |
| 13:30.00 | jiohdi | is there a way to sync ubuntu one under debian? |
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| 13:31.21 | WormFood | jiohdi, what do you mean? Sync in what way? |
| 13:31.47 | jiohdi | like they can with ubuntu, a folder ubuntuone which auto-syncs to the ubuntuone cloud folders |
| 13:32.19 | jiohdi | I have not found a deb package to do that |
| 13:32.21 | jiohdi | is there one? |
| 13:33.01 | mah454 | How can create new partition table ? manually ... |
| 13:33.16 | WormFood | mah454, fdisk /dev/sda |
| 13:33.31 | jiohdi | wont that erase everything? |
| 13:34.32 | WormFood | of course not...even if you deleted your partitions with it (and you can do that, that is what the tool is for), the data would still be there. (it would only erase the partition table at worst) |
| 13:34.43 | mah454 | WormFood, can use cfdisk or parted ? |
| 13:35.10 | WormFood | probably...you could even use dd, xxd and vi |
| 13:35.26 | WormFood | back in 10 minutes |
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| 13:37.15 | Blackvel | has anyone of you a working init.d script for starting/stopping the sendmail milter plugin: milter-regexp (http://www.google.de/url?q=http://www.benzedrine.cx/milter-regex.html)? |
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| 13:39.18 | jelly | is it packaged? |
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| 13:40.18 | Blackvel | no :( |
| 13:41.44 | jelly | Blackvel: well there is the /etc/init.d/skeleton |
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| 13:45.10 | Blackvel | i downloaded init src scripts from the src package, found gentoo init script and tried to rewrite to debian. just can't get it working with start-stop-daemon and passing over the argument options. already invested too much time into it so i have to stop here. maybe someone on channel here has a working final solution :) |
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| 13:47.36 | jelly | maybe. |
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| 13:48.52 | hanibana | hi. route -n gives "segmentation fault"! what could be the reason?! |
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| 13:50.49 | Blackvel | ram errors? |
| 13:50.58 | Blackvel | had that with gcc a while ago on a pc |
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| 13:51.25 | robin_sz | so just to check my understanding, the 1.1gb debian "live" iso, I shoudl be able to burn to a dvd-rw and boot from? |
| 13:51.40 | jelly | hanibana: it depends. Is it a physical machine? A VPS of some sort? |
| 13:51.52 | jelly | hanibana: which debian release and kernel? |
| 13:52.03 | hanibana | 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 |
| 13:52.04 | fmerges | hello, i have a problem with python-qwt and python-sip in Debian Squeeze; I get siplib.c:2600: sip_api_parse_result: Assertion `assign_helper != ((void *)0)' failed. And it happens because in the code I create a ScaleDraw that override the label method. |
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| 13:52.10 | hanibana | Lenny |
| 13:52.12 | hanibana | R1 |
| 13:52.12 | robin_sz | can I cust cat > it towards the dvd drive, like when I put a live image on a USB stick? |
| 13:52.18 | hanibana | 24 G RAM |
| 13:52.25 | fmerges | Does anyone has a package for it that binds to sip > 4.10.2? |
| 13:52.38 | jelly | hanibana: so, a physical machine? |
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| 13:52.46 | hanibana | jelly: of course. |
| 13:53.05 | robin_sz | not "of course" ... lots of virtual stuff about heses days |
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| 13:53.22 | Blackvel | server or client pc? |
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| 13:53.34 | me-1 | hi...can anybody give me official link from where I can download Debian with LXDE.. |
| 13:53.39 | hanibana | Blackvel: its an HP server. |
| 13:53.43 | KamZou | Hello, i have a DHCP DDNS problem : I would like my clients to have a lease greater than 72h, but my DHCP server try to update my DNS exactly 24h after the client get the lease. Do you know why the DHCP is trying to make a DNS update and how to increase / remove this ? |
| 13:54.34 | jelly | hanibana: which server model? |
| 13:54.43 | Blackvel | well then its unlikely that ram is corrupt... |
| 13:54.57 | hanibana | DL 380 G6 ... i guess... |
| 13:55.27 | jelly | hanibana: then you have iLO2. Log in to iLO web interface and verify IML log and iLO log. |
| 13:55.54 | jelly | if there are excessive ECC RAM errors, they will be listed in IML log |
| 13:56.52 | me-1 | can anybody give me official link from where I can download Debian with LXDE.. |
| 13:57.04 | hanibana | jelly: ok thanks. I'll try that... |
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| 13:59.01 | Jarvis | me-1: i don't think theres an official one, at least not that i'm aware of, i tend to grab the DVD and install what i want |
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| 13:59.33 | mjt | um, www.debian.org gives official links... |
| 13:59.35 | Infra_3600 | me-1, 1. install base system thru netinst 2. # apt-get install lxde |
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| 14:00.21 | jelly | !install lxde |
| 14:00.21 | dpkg | To install <LXDE> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: aptitude install lxde . To install using Debian-Installer (if not using LXDE CD-1): Squeeze: from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > LXDE > Install" ; Lenny: press the Tab key at d-i's boot prompt, then include desktop=lxde in the boot options. |
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| 14:01.49 | Infra_3600 | !install ldap |
| 14:01.58 | abrotman | msg the bot |
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| 14:04.37 | KamZou | Hello, i have a DHCP DDNS problem : I would like my clients to have a lease greater than 72h, but my DHCP server try to update my DNS exactly 24h after the client get the lease. Do you know why the DHCP is trying to make a DNS update and how to increase / remove this ? |
| 14:04.58 | jelly | abrotman: thankfully(?) installing ldap is NEVER that easy |
| 14:05.31 | abrotman | jelly: installing is easy, configuring .. not so much :) |
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| 14:06.18 | jelly | ,versions 389ds |
| 14:06.20 | judd | No package named '389ds' was found in i386. |
| 14:06.25 | jelly | still not there |
| 14:07.39 | petemc | KamZou: you might want to look into configuring the TTL the dhcp client uses |
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| 14:09.25 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... when i try to upgrade through synaptic ... it tells me that it want to upgrade a "Not Authenticated " package ... should i click "Apply " ? |
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| 14:10.29 | panosru | Hello I try to mount with nfs a path in debian but I'm getting this error: mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting panosru-mac:/Volumes/Web/debian6/users/admin :/ Any help would help a lot! :) |
| 14:10.32 | KamZou | petemc, the clients aren't allowed to do updates on the DDNS |
| 14:10.55 | KamZou | => deny client-updates; |
| 14:11.01 | petemc | oh |
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| 14:15.35 | robin_sz | so just to check my understanding, the 1.1gb debian "live" iso, I shoudl be able to burn to a dvd-rw and boot from? |
| 14:15.43 | robin_sz | or does it need to be on a USB? |
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| 14:17.36 | dvs | robin_sz: both |
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| 14:19.57 | anddam | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.21 | stew | anddam: /etc/init.d/networking stop ; /etc/init.d/networking start |
| 14:20.33 | anddam | doesn't restart just do that? |
| 14:20.58 | stew | anddam: i don't think so |
| 14:21.01 | anddam | anyway I changed configuration of my guest debian eth card in virtualbox and it didn't come up after networking restart |
| 14:21.13 | dvs | thought it was ifup/ifdown |
| 14:21.37 | anddam | it does if I restart the debian system, but restarting without knowing why somehow hurts and is pretty window-ish |
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| 14:22.44 | panosru | so maybe anyone could help me with this: mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting panosru-mac:/Volumes/Web/debian6/users/admin ? Thanks a lot :) |
| 14:23.05 | stew | panosru: did you look at the logs on the server? |
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| 14:23.16 | anddam | dvs: ifup tries to bring the iface up |
| 14:24.00 | panosru | stew: I try to find them under /var/log but I don't know where I have to look :/ |
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| 14:24.19 | stew | panosru: /var/log/syslog |
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| 14:25.31 | panosru | stew: server is OSX so I don't have any /var/log/syslog but I have /var/log/system.log and I don't see anything related to nfs |
| 14:25.32 | jhutchins_lt | How do I get my konsole sessions to show root@<hostname> in the title bar when I'm in su -? |
| 14:25.33 | AthomIk | hello |
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| 14:25.38 | WormFood | I truly home the gnome 3 developers can pull their heads out of their asses, and make gnome 3 worth a shit. It looks so nice, but is so painful to use. This alt-tab/alt-` crap is driving me crazy...what took me 2 key strokes before, now takes 3 |
| 14:25.56 | jhutchins_lt | panosru: grep nfs /var/log/* |
| 14:26.13 | AthomIk | i search best soft for wheezy for top compression ? |
| 14:26.48 | robin_sz | dvs: I needs a USB stick AND a DVD? |
| 14:26.55 | WormFood | and hiding the notifications is a horrible idea...what retard thought that one up? |
| 14:26.57 | stew | panosru: you might try #MacOSX for help with OSX |
| 14:26.58 | dvs | heh |
| 14:27.16 | dvs | robin_sz: one or the other |
| 14:27.29 | rypervenche | I installed Debian Squeeze on a computer that I wish to make a mail server. At one point I wanted to get the default configuration file so I purged exim4, and it automatically installed ssmtp. Now when I try to reinstall exim4 I get an error, http://pastebin.com/MWczq1qQ . How can I fix this? |
| 14:27.35 | panosru | I asked there they told me it is debian related so I have to ask on #debian :/ |
| 14:27.45 | panosru | showmount -e shows my exports in osx |
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| 14:27.51 | robin_sz | right, OK .. and can I "burn" a dvd just by cat > ing the iso image towards the device? like I do to make a bootable USB? |
| 14:27.53 | panosru | but in debian I get access denied :/ |
| 14:27.53 | stew | rypervenche: exim4-config is the package which owns the config, not exim4 |
| 14:28.09 | stew | panosru: debian tells you that the error comes from the server |
| 14:28.21 | panosru | stew, yeah I don't argue with that :) |
| 14:28.27 | panosru | I will try again on ##mac |
| 14:28.29 | dvs | robin_sz: I've never tried "burning" an ISO image that way. |
| 14:28.37 | WormFood | panosru, you need to look at the log files on the server |
| 14:28.38 | rypervenche | stew: I tried reinstalling that as well, but no luck. Same error. |
| 14:28.44 | robin_sz | ive never burnt one, so I have no idea whwere to start |
| 14:28.49 | anddam | panosru: how did you start nfsd? |
| 14:28.55 | dvs | robin_sz: I use k3b |
| 14:29.12 | rozie | robin_sz: what software for recording CD/DVD do you know? |
| 14:29.22 | anddam | stew: is there any verbose mount output like ssh has? |
| 14:29.40 | rozie | most of them allow burning iso images. use this option |
| 14:29.42 | WormFood | they probably think their precious macs never have problems on ##mac :P |
| 14:29.44 | robin_sz | rozie, on linux, none. |
| 14:30.12 | robin_sz | dvs, i'll pass, its KDE related and will no doubt require massive downloads to get it going |
| 14:30.30 | gnarface | why would linux-image-686 show up on an amd64 system when running apt-cache search linux-image? |
| 14:30.41 | panosru | anddam: you mean on osx? |
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| 14:30.56 | anddam | panosru: yes, as you said you're running the server on OS X |
| 14:31.04 | robin_sz | rozie, on windows, I think I onnce used "Roxio", but I no longer have a wiondows machine, so its Linux or bust :) |
| 14:31.16 | anddam | gnarface: isn't the package db the same? |
| 14:31.17 | dvs | robin_sz: dvd-record is a CLI one |
| 14:31.17 | panosru | WormFood: I look on log files on server I see only some old errors with earlier tries but nothing related to the current issue |
| 14:31.20 | stew | anddam: i don't think so, what are yo utrying to do |
| 14:31.29 | anddam | stew: helping panosru |
| 14:31.32 | teeol | my ping is higher in games in debian than in ubuntu or other os´ , where could be the problem? network settings? |
| 14:31.32 | panosru | anddam: osx comes with nfsd |
| 14:31.40 | robin_sz | dvs: perfect, I prefer CLI where possible |
| 14:31.54 | panosru | I just asked on ##mac I hope I'll get something :D |
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| 14:32.07 | stew | anddam: its a server side error, we'd need to get more info from the server. I'd certainly hope that the server isn't willing to give out more information on this type of error |
| 14:32.30 | stew | rypervenche: what version of debian is this? |
| 14:32.40 | teeol | stew, why the server should give informations about errors? ; ) |
| 14:32.49 | AthomIk | i search best soft for wheezy for top compression ? for raw file of kvm machine |
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| 14:33.05 | stew | teeol: it does. it says "access denied", if access is denied, do you think it should give out more information? |
| 14:33.08 | rozie | robin_sz: I suggest k3b or brasero. both are GUI |
| 14:33.17 | robin_sz | dvs: hmm .. dvd-record is not a debian package |
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| 14:33.24 | dvs | ? |
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| 14:33.47 | robin_sz | apt-cache search dvd-record says no no. |
| 14:34.06 | teeol | stew, maybe it would be possible to get more informations, access denied in this case is just "the window for the house".. |
| 14:34.32 | jhutchins_lt | robin_sz: I believe you're looking for wodim to write a DVD image. |
| 14:34.35 | robin_sz | ah, seems I already have brasero installed by defualt, perfect .. im on the case |
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| 14:34.51 | teeol | getting a part of the system/server should spread out enough informations, the question is just how : P |
| 14:35.00 | robin_sz | I just want to make a bootable dvd from a debian live iso |
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| 14:35.59 | dvs | robin_sz: That'll work too |
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| 14:36.21 | robin_sz | throws a DVD in and sacrifices a chicken |
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| 14:37.14 | robin_sz | I believe chickens are the usual offering for this sort of procedure |
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| 14:37.22 | Guest5514 | hi |
| 14:37.29 | robin_sz | ooh, brasero is really nice, thnaks, thats so easy to use .. nice interface |
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| 14:38.16 | dvs | Glab I made it! ;-P |
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| 14:38.22 | dvs | glad too! |
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| 14:38.58 | teeol | the time i click on mouse till the game catchs it and bring it to the server is too long, ping is fine... where could be the problem? |
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| 14:39.40 | gnarface | anddam: you'd think it'd be the same... that's why i'm confused. they were virtually identical installs |
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| 14:42.50 | robin_sz | well, that has to be one of the nicest bits of GUI software I have used in a while. Simple and very effective |
| 14:43.15 | robin_sz | thnaks, l8r |
| 14:44.01 | rypervenche | stew: I fixed it by using tasksel. It is 6.0.3 |
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| 14:48.06 | Twinkletoes | Can I force NEW files in a specific directory to have a minimum set of permissions, eg. at least 770? |
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| 14:49.03 | Twinkletoes | ^^^ I'm using rsync to copy some files, but I need them to have g+w on the destination |
| 14:49.13 | stew | Twinkletoes: you can with extended acls |
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| 14:49.30 | Twinkletoes | stew: Ah, ok - I'll read about them then - thank you |
| 14:49.55 | stew | Twinkletoes: remount the filesystem with the acl option and read about setfacl |
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| 14:50.15 | stew | (specifically about setting default acls) |
| 14:50.25 | jordanm | if they were new files, you could just set umask |
| 14:50.50 | stew | though he's asking about a "specific directory" |
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| 14:55.21 | jelly | Twinkletoes: you can also configure the rsync server to give some default permissions, man rsyncd.conf, and the client has --chmod |
| 14:56.18 | jelly | combined with the inheriting nature of setgid, this might be enough even without going for posix acls |
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| 14:58.44 | gnarface | argh seriously why the hell do i have to squeeze systems with one listing 686 kernels and one listing amd64 kernels? they're both amd64 installs |
| 14:59.10 | Shadowcat | epic fail |
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| 14:59.51 | gnarface | obviously but what could i have possibly done wrong? they both have the same sources... |
| 15:00.23 | Shadowcat | you installed the 32-bit version on one box |
| 15:00.25 | jordanm | gnarface: the amd64 kernel can be installed on i386, but not th eother way around. check the output of "file /bin/ls" to ensure that the userspace is 64bit, not just the kernel |
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| 15:00.43 | arghx | dpkg --print-architecture |
| 15:00.44 | dpkg | neo-classical |
| 15:01.57 | gnarface | Shadowcat: how could i have made that mistake with the amd64 installer? |
| 15:02.10 | Shadowcat | .... |
| 15:02.14 | Shadowcat | nfc what you did in that case |
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| 15:02.39 | Shadowcat | although in expert install it's technically possible to specify a non 64bit kernel |
| 15:02.47 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: Maybe it was a dual-arch source? |
| 15:03.30 | gnarface | jhutchin1_lt: dual arch source in my /etc/apt/sources.list you mean? |
| 15:03.51 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: my sources.list files are the same |
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| 15:04.04 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: Dual-arch installer iirc. |
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| 15:05.43 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: i guess its possible... because somehow i have a amd64 kernel on every box even though some show i386 as the userspace. that's a pretty lame behavior for the installer, IMO. |
| 15:06.10 | simonlnu | !literal dpkg --print-architecture |
| 15:06.28 | simonlnu | !literal --print-architecture |
| 15:06.29 | dpkg | "--print-architecture" is "<reply> (powerpc|amd64|i386|ia64|alpha|mips(|el)|kfreebsd-(i386|amd64)|sh|hurd-i386|arm(|eb|el)|gothic|classical|neo-classical|geary|hppa)" |
| 15:06.46 | simonlnu | heh |
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| 15:08.36 | AthomIk | for wheezy, the last kernel dom0 is 2.6.32 ? |
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| 15:11.10 | jelly | AthomIk: the description for eg. linux-image-3.0.0-1-amd64 says "[...] This kernel also runs on a Xen hypervisor. It supports both privileged (dom0) and unprivileged (domU) operation." |
| 15:11.43 | AthomIk | ok jelly thk |
| 15:12.13 | ash2501 | does anyone having troubles with the lastest packagekit/gtk update on sid ? |
| 15:12.44 | AthomIk | i find a xen-hypervisor for i386 and amd64 but not for i686, and i use i686 kernel, why this ? |
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| 15:13.32 | ash2501 | seems it has been corrected but i can't find any update on debian repo |
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| 15:18.28 | rypervenche | I am setting up a mail server on Debian Stable following the directions here. http://debianclusters.org/index.php/Mail_Server . When I use Icedove to try to access an account, the IMAP finds the correct port, but SMTP can't find it automatically. What may be the problem? (I also can't send mail using the commandline, stays in the mailq). |
| 15:19.05 | jordanm | rypervenche: your ISP could be filtering port 25 |
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| 15:20.40 | gnarface | ARGH |
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| 15:21.05 | setre | could someone enlighten me as to the benefit of "pulse audio"? |
| 15:21.31 | korutsu | hello, i wonder if there is a way to tell udev to create more than 16 device nodes for partitions |
| 15:21.31 | AthomIk | file for apt preference, must in in /etc/apt/preferences or in /etc/apt/preferences.d/xfilexx ? |
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| 15:22.05 | arghx | setre: my working hyptothesis is: Lennart is prevented from doing even more harm to the human race |
| 15:22.15 | gnarface | setre: someone told me it does resampling that sounds better than dmix in alsa but i dont' know if that's true. for my money the only thing pulse audio does well is break my audio setup |
| 15:22.20 | arghx | AthomIk: either |
| 15:22.48 | twobitsprite | has anyone else noticed some sort of strange race condition in gnome's theme system? about a third of the time when I log in to gdm, gnome comes up with a purple theme instead of the standard light blue theme debian comes with... if I log out and back in, I get the blue theme again |
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| 15:24.16 | AthomIk | arghx: either ? but where ? |
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| 15:24.54 | AthomIk | arghx: actually i have /etc/apt/preferences.d/apt |
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| 15:26.28 | arghx | AthomIk: not there. the point of .d directories is to put everything in its own file |
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| 15:26.53 | rypervenche | jordanm: I have set port forwarding in my router, it would still be undoable if my ISP filters it? |
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| 15:28.13 | Sevet | if your isp filters you'll need to unblock it with them (some let you opt-in for that) |
| 15:28.19 | AthomIk | arghx: ok, is bad to use /etc/apt/preferences.d/apt for apt preferences, or /etc/apt/preferences files .... |
| 15:29.05 | AthomIk | humm where i create a file for apt preferences ? |
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| 15:29.11 | Sevet | or use a non-standard port, but to receive mail you'll need to use something like no-ip's reflector |
| 15:29.24 | arghx | AthomIk: in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ where else? |
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| 15:31.03 | AthomIk | arghx: ok i must a a preferences file in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ ? yes, my brain is strange.... |
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| 15:32.06 | jelly | AthomIk: either place works. |
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| 15:33.49 | AthomIk | ok, all is good thk |
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| 15:38.48 | nse | hey guys, I just upgraded to testing after a long time and I'm getting used to the new look and feel of Gnome. my God - what a change! |
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| 15:40.05 | WormFood | yeah, they developers smoked a bunch of crack, and did a lot of LSD, and came up with gnome 3 |
| 15:40.25 | jelly | it was a bad trip. |
| 15:40.28 | nse | I was very afraid of things breaking because I knew I wouldn't get any help from you here. Since things are working fine I am cool now... my dear God - what a change!! |
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| 15:40.37 | teeol | the update manager, does it get its information from the sources.list file? |
| 15:40.40 | kordex | i think CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION this would help me |
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| 15:40.43 | nse | WormFood: oh yes.... |
| 15:40.53 | WormFood | it looks nice, but is painful to use. More mouse clicks, more key presses, to do the same thing |
| 15:41.01 | jelly | teeol: basically yes |
| 15:41.13 | WormFood | and notifications are so distracting, that they hide them so you can't see at all....BRILLIANT IDAE! |
| 15:41.22 | WormFood | IDAE * |
| 15:41.32 | WormFood | IDEA |
| 15:41.34 | teeol | jelly, ok thanks ^ |
| 15:42.01 | WormFood | and the fuckin' keyboard is so slow, it is incredibly frustrating to use |
| 15:42.02 | jelly | this isn't really the right channel to rant about Gnome 3 |
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| 15:42.45 | WormFood | how do I get the features I had before back in gnome 3? |
| 15:43.06 | WormFood | they took away tools I use every day, and replaced them with nothing. |
| 15:43.37 | simonlnu | well to be fair, it's wip so some of them still are missing |
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| 15:44.05 | jelly | KDE4 seems usable |
| 15:44.27 | simonlnu | went back to obox |
| 15:44.44 | WormFood | so they depreciated a working system in favor of something that isn't complete? brilliant |
| 15:44.44 | teeol | why not console? |
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| 15:44.48 | nse | It so very muuuuch "simple" that I don't even know how to change to KDE4 |
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| 15:45.29 | babilen | nse: You might be happy to learn that wheezy/sid is explicitly supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:45.35 | teeol | "Where there is a shell, there is a way." no DE guys : P |
| 15:45.37 | crazyvibes | We've got a new company proxy server, so I updated /etc/apt/apt.conf but still got errors, while after setting http_proxy in shell I can use wget to get the same file. any thoughts? |
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| 15:46.06 | nse | babilen: this is a very good thing, thank you babilen |
| 15:46.16 | simonlnu | apt uses proxy settings too |
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| 15:46.44 | crazyvibes | i know, setting both http_proxy and updated apt.conf didn't work |
| 15:47.15 | crazyvibes | Err http://ftp.egr.msu.edu sid InRelease |
| 15:47.24 | crazyvibes | Fetched 1 B in 0s (8 B/s) |
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| 15:48.28 | crazyvibes | on the other hand, both wget and browser (firefox, conkeror) work |
| 15:48.44 | crazyvibes | so it's just apt's proxy isn't working, |
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| 15:53.11 | nse | what is the name of the meta package to install kde4? |
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| 15:53.40 | gnarface | nse i'm gonna guess 'kde' |
| 15:53.48 | dvs | ,info kde-full |
| 15:53.50 | judd | Package kde-full (kde, optional) in squeeze/i386: the complete KDE Software Compilation for end users. Version: 5:66; Size: 9.9k; Installed: 12k; Homepage: http://www.kde.org |
| 15:54.18 | dvs | !tell nse about install kde |
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| 15:56.05 | nse | thank you gnarface, dvs |
| 15:56.17 | dvs | np |
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| 15:57.25 | nse | how can I set kde to be the default window manager? I didn't find out how to do it with gdm... |
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| 15:57.57 | nse | there is not a 'option' button in it |
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| 15:59.36 | jordanm | rypervenche: right |
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| 16:00.05 | tomswartz07 | hey everyone, anyone good at apt pinning? |
| 16:00.06 | jordanm | nse: try: update-alternatives --set x-session-manager |
| 16:00.23 | nse | thank you jordanm |
| 16:00.26 | jordanm | !tell tomswartz07 about anyone |
| 16:00.30 | jordanm | !tell tomswartz07 about pinning |
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| 16:02.25 | ws2k3 | hello people. i'm trying to execute a program on my debian machine but it says no such file or directory i have runned this program on a many other machins anyone any idea? |
| 16:02.29 | tomswartz07 | jordanm: i think i have it set up, but the only way i could get apt pinning to work without clobbering my whole system for updates is to put the pin priority on testing and unstable P < 100. this also prevents the program im trying to upgrade from going to the most recent version. suggestions? |
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| 16:04.29 | jordanm | tomswartz07: what release are you running? |
| 16:04.36 | jordanm | ws2k3: install it |
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| 16:05.13 | tomswartz07 | jordanm: squeeze, pretty standard install |
| 16:05.36 | jordanm | tomswartz07: did you read the factoid and about how you shouldn't try to rely on pinning in stable? |
| 16:05.36 | zykotick9 | ws2k3, is this a 32bit app on a 64bit debian? |
| 16:05.58 | jordanm | tomswartz07: don't mix stable and other releases. use squeeze-backports |
| 16:06.42 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: Is it a binary program or a shell script? |
| 16:06.58 | jordanm | I think everyone else interpretted that differently than I did |
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| 16:08.03 | tomswartz07 | jordanm: the version in backports is the same, its outdated and will not function. specifically, it is pianobar- anything before version 2011.11.11-1 will not work |
| 16:08.34 | stew | tomswartz07: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 16:10.20 | jhutchins_lt | tomswartz07: It would be strange if the developers were actually packing software for stable that 'will not work'. |
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| 16:11.42 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: sometimes bit-rot will kick in for stable apps that need to contact external intefaces. eg. pidgin and yahoo protocol |
| 16:11.54 | tomswartz07 | jhutchins_lt: specifically, the package is pianobar. its a cli Pandora Radio client, and frequently goes out of date as pandora updates their streaming setup |
| 16:12.35 | jhutchins_lt | tomswartz07: In that case, notify the backport maintainer that the protocol has changed and request a backport. You'll be helping out everyone else who uses it too. |
| 16:12.45 | tomswartz07 | which is why i want to avoid building from source every time it goes out of date. the maintainer keeps the wheezy packages up to date, but nothing else. |
| 16:13.16 | jordanm | ,checkbackport pianobar |
| 16:13.18 | judd | Backporting package pianobar in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
| 16:13.47 | rypervenche | I have port 25 forwarded on my server, but "telnet myservername 25" still doesn't work. I do not have a firewall running either. Any ideas? |
| 16:13.54 | tomswartz07 | jhutchins_lt: how would i go about that? i dont think they have a backport maintainer |
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| 16:14.02 | jhutchins_lt | tomswartz07: That's probably a side effect of people "solving" problems like that by running testing as production. |
| 16:14.14 | jordanm | tomswartz07: the maintainers does not have to be the person to backport. send an email to debian-backports@lists.debian.org |
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| 16:14.29 | jordanm | rypervenche: ISP filtering 25 |
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| 16:16.31 | tomswartz07 | jordanm: so, whats the process with this? i email them and then what happens? the package will get pulled to debian backports and then will show up as an upgrade for whomever has the backports added in their sources.list? |
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| 16:17.25 | stew | tomswartz07: you email them and wait to see if someone feels like volunteering to do the work you are requesting |
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| 16:17.57 | tomswartz07 | and then..? |
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| 16:18.27 | jhutchins_lt | tomswartz07: You /msg dpkg ssb and start learning to be the person who maintains the backport. |
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| 16:18.33 | jhutchins_lt | tomswartz07: It's probably pretty easy to automate. |
| 16:18.46 | stew | if someone feels like volunteering, they would upload a backported version to squeeze backports. It won't show up as an available upgrade to people by default, they would have to alter their pinning for that particular package |
| 16:19.28 | tomswartz07 | okay, heres a question. aside from the obvious occasional breakage, how stable would wheezy be? |
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| 16:20.04 | boudiccas | tomswartz07; less stable that squeeze |
| 16:20.12 | boudiccas | than |
| 16:20.36 | tomswartz07 | stable enough to boot up and use cli programs and rarely using chromium browser? |
| 16:20.39 | boudiccas | tomswartz07; and how do you define 'stable' please? |
| 16:20.46 | twobitsprite | tomswartz07: I've been running testing for years without any significant problems other than the occasional apt breakage (packages aren't aligned so you get strange dependency related problems) |
| 16:20.48 | stew | tomswartz07: a couple dozen packages per day change in testing |
| 16:21.01 | MilkGoneBad | tomswartz07: apt-listbugs can make it a lot easier to avoid breakage. |
| 16:21.59 | Blackvel | i cant get milter-regex running even with /etc/init.d/skeleton. line 147: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"'. that is for the line "case "$?" in". 2nd error (probably the continuing error): line 140: syntax error: unexpected end of file. that is for last line "exit 0" |
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| 16:22.13 | blubberdiblub | apt-listbugs is pretty much a requirement if you run testing or unstable and don't want to be unpleasantly surprised |
| 16:22.16 | Blackvel | sorry was meant line 122 |
| 16:22.32 | twobitsprite | tomswartz07: but the system itself is very statible in the sense that you don't get crashes or anything. Every now and then a bugged package will enter testing and that particular package might have some bugginess or stability problems, but that's fairly infrequent... |
| 16:22.36 | tomswartz07 | heres what im thinking. the computer in question is an eeepc that is generally only used for streaming music and occasionally very light web browsing |
| 16:22.56 | Blackvel | somewhere in the scripts (maybe variable declarations) it gets confused with " " variables |
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| 16:23.51 | MilkGoneBad | tomswartz07: could always setup a vbox testing install and see how it goes first. for home use, i use testing on all my machines |
| 16:23.52 | rypervenche | jordanm: Thank you. It seems Verizon does indeed block port 25 now. |
| 16:23.59 | prgmrchr1s | nice |
| 16:24.07 | tomswartz07 | my only concern is that if i upgrade to unstable, i will at some point, end up with a netbook that crashes halfway through a workday and i have to put up with my coworkers for the remainder of the day |
| 16:24.09 | jelly | Blackvel: run the script with sh -x /etc/init.d/how_ever_you_called_it start |
| 16:24.34 | twobitsprite | well... unstable != wheezy |
| 16:24.38 | jelly | Blackvel: -x will show commands that are run until it reaches the error |
| 16:24.40 | twobitsprite | don't upgrade to unstable, upgrade to testing |
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| 16:25.29 | jelly | tomswartz07: even with testing, don't muck about with installing or upgrading stuff if you have work to do |
| 16:25.40 | jelly | things WILL break |
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| 16:26.02 | tomswartz07 | jelly: of course, and i understand that. |
| 16:26.05 | twobitsprite | but if you don't want to run the risk of having some breakage that takes some time to resolve, then maybe you should stick with stable, or just plan your upgrades around time when you have the time to possible fix a broken package |
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| 16:26.55 | twobitsprite | but as a general rule, testing is sufficiently stable for desktop use. I certainly wouldn't run it on a production server, but I do run it on my primary workstation. |
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| 16:27.40 | MilkGoneBad | only issue i have in testing is it will break X on occasion, but an easy fix from a tty. nbd |
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| 16:28.26 | jordanm | when you have work to get done, any small breakage is a PITA |
| 16:28.37 | tomswartz07 | i agree |
| 16:28.59 | MilkGoneBad | no arguments there, jordan. his is a streaming machine and browsing computer, though. hardly mission-critical. =) |
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| 16:29.51 | tomswartz07 | MilkGoneBad: hey, mission critical for my own sanity. |
| 16:29.55 | jhutchins_lt | MilkGoneBad: While you may have good luck with testing, discussing it's practicality here has the effect of encouraging new users to rely on it, and makes a lot more work for us when it breaks on them. |
| 16:30.08 | stew | tomswartz07: note that when you upgrade to testing, it fixes pianobar for now, then the next time they break the protocol, pianobar in testing doesn't get fixed immdiately either |
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| 16:30.45 | tomswartz07 | stew: right. however, the dev is usually very good about updating the package to the testing and unstable repos |
| 16:30.56 | tomswartz07 | the backports, however... |
| 16:31.00 | stew | tomswartz07: just unstable, then you wait for normal migration to testing |
| 16:31.01 | MilkGoneBad | they'll have to make their own decisions, of course. he asked the question and i relayed my experiences with it briefly. if in doubt, by all means stay with stable. |
| 16:31.02 | jhutchins_lt | tomswartz07: Testing also does not get the same attention to security updates that stable does. |
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| 16:31.16 | stew | tomswartz07: which in the past has taken somewhere between 3 days to a month or so to migrate to testing |
| 16:31.24 | Blackvel | jelly: ok. var declaration bug fixed. now i am at the point with the rewritten skeleton template where i was on weekends. i cant correctly pass the argumentations to /usr/bin/milter-regexp: |
| 16:31.26 | kleanchap | I have a NetGear wifi router which for some reason drops all connections at some 24 hour cycle. I am having to press the reset button to getting the connections back. On my Debian, is there a Network Manager which I can investigate to see why the connection is dropping? |
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| 16:32.19 | Blackvel | ./usr/bin/milter-regex: invalid option -- '-'. usage: /usr/bin/milter-regex [-d] [-c config] [-u user] [-p pipe]. DAEMON_ARGS="--options -c ${CONFIG} -u ${USER} -p ${SOCKET}". start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile $PIDFILE --exec $DAEMON -- \ $DAEMON_ARGS \ || return 2 |
| 16:32.22 | jhutchins_lt | kleanchap: I think you know why the connection is dropping, and if you have to press the reset button on the Netgear it's got nothing to do with Debian. |
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| 16:33.14 | kleanchap | jhutchin1_lt, I know that. I want to see the timeline, when the connection is getting dropped. |
| 16:33.16 | jhutchins_lt | kleanchap: I'd get a better quality router and see if you can pawn the Netgear off on someone who doesn't mind having to reset it. |
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| 16:33.22 | jelly | Blackvel: care to pastebin your script? |
| 16:33.45 | kleanchap | jhutchin1_lt, I may have to do that. |
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| 16:34.07 | jhutchins_lt | kleanchap: Well, nagios would do that, but it's overkill. I had a shell script that managed that at one time... Let me dig... |
| 16:34.14 | jordanm | Blackvel: looks like your regex starts with a "-" that is interpretted as an option. try adding an addition "--" before $DAEMON_ARGS |
| 16:34.27 | jelly | Blackvel: what is that "--options" word supposed to be doing |
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| 16:35.28 | jabelrubio | Hi all |
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| 16:36.23 | jabelrubio | can anyone help me with a problem on my laptop?... when it goes to suspend mode after wake up the touchpad is dead |
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| 16:37.44 | jabelrubio | I have debian Squeeze |
| 16:37.47 | Blackvel | jelly: i have no clue :( i copied that over from skeleton |
| 16:38.01 | Blackvel | trying to pastebin.com. doesnt work with ie....switching to firefox |
| 16:38.20 | jelly | Blackvel: paste.debian.net |
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| 16:40.06 | jhutchins_lt | !info smokeping |
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| 16:40.48 | jhutchins_lt | ,info smokeping |
| 16:40.49 | judd | Package smokeping (net, extra) in squeeze/i386: latency logging and graphing system. Version: 2.3.6-5; Size: 606.0k; Installed: 2320k; Homepage: http://smokeping.org/ |
| 16:41.07 | jhutchins_lt | kleanchap: Have a look at that, I think it's what I used. |
| 16:41.46 | Blackvel | finally...http://paste.debian.net/hidden/6a7a294c/ |
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| 16:42.33 | Blackvel | i just cant get start-stop-daemon working with the milter-regexp options. tried around with various start options on weekend |
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| 16:42.56 | kleanchap | jhutchin1_lt, Thnx! I will check it out. |
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| 16:44.51 | jelly | Blackvel: your binary seems to choke on that "--options". It's not even listed in the usage. Delete that. |
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| 16:45.36 | jelly | use sh -x to figure out where things break if they still break |
| 16:45.58 | Blackvel | found gentoo init script. updated above past link. i thought --options is something special maybe start-stop-daemon needs? trying to leave it it |
| 16:46.02 | Blackvel | leave it out |
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| 16:46.56 | Blackvel | hell...it works |
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| 16:48.43 | Blackvel | i wonder why my mod gentoo init script just didnt work out at once...so i deleted it. --exec .. -- \ "options" was the final solution |
| 16:48.54 | jhutchins_lt | kleanchap: Here's something very simple you could build on: http://www.linuxscrew.com/2009/04/02/tiny-bash-scripts-check-internet-connection-availability/ |
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| 16:49.31 | Blackvel | i mean i am not dumb and i read the manual before for start-stop-daemon..but somehow i couldn't figure it out how to correctly pass all the options and daemon args in the correct order |
| 16:49.49 | Blackvel | iam very very happy now! |
| 16:49.55 | Blackvel | bbl |
| 16:50.14 | nsadmin | iam a bubble! |
| 16:51.12 | jhutchins_lt | kleanchap: Also vnstat |
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| 16:52.40 | kleanchap | jhutchin1_lt, I will check these out too. Thnx! |
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| 16:52.57 | jhutchins_lt | None of them seems to be the script I used to have though. |
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| 16:54.25 | kleanchap | I may set up the Linux box as the syslog server and then take it from there. It is really annoying that NetGear is this bad. once in a while it is ok....on a daily basis...it is getting on my nerves. |
| 16:54.36 | ne0h|track | hi folks, can someone tell me about some web tool or program do manage squid acl? eg. allowed websites, allowed ip addresses. |
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| 16:56.52 | jeward | Since the libssl0 update to squeeze last week, we've had a great increase in apache error: System: Connection reset by peer (errno: 104) |
| 16:57.01 | jeward | Anybody else having this problem? |
| 16:57.18 | jeward | We went from 200 or so a day to 7-8K a day. |
| 16:57.26 | jeward | Killing sales. |
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| 16:59.33 | abrotman | jeward: BTS ? |
| 16:59.39 | jeward | BTS? |
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| 17:00.20 | jeward | abrotman: What do you mean, BTS ? |
| 17:01.14 | babilen | !bts |
| 17:01.18 | abrotman | check the BTS for simiilar issues |
| 17:01.19 | jhutchins_lt | jeward: He means check the bug tracking system to see if a problem has been reported, but a very vague error that say that the OTHER system dropped the connection is probably going to be hard to find without more info. |
| 17:01.22 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org |
| 17:01.37 | jeward | Ah, thanks. |
| 17:01.41 | jhutchins_lt | jeward: The other thing you could do is roll back the upgrade to your backup and see if the problem goes away. |
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| 17:06.48 | jhutchins_lt | tomswartz07: Good to see the followup. |
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| 17:08.16 | Syoss | hey guys i have a big problem: i have updated my debian packages yesterday. i have compiled the source a day before yesterday an all works fine. but after the update i get errors like this: Main.cpp:(.text+0x1581): undefined reference to `mysql_thread_safe' |
| 17:08.27 | Syoss | these are all of my installed dev packages: |
| 17:08.34 | Syoss | http://paste2.org/p/1788913 |
| 17:08.59 | nsadmin | Syoss, reconfigure/compile |
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| 17:09.18 | stew | Syoss: libmysqlclient-dev 5.5.18-1~dotdeb.1 MySQL database development files |
| 17:09.18 | arghx | Syoss: you don't have a problem with your -dev packages but your librar(y|ies). notably your mysql client or such |
| 17:09.29 | stew | Syoss: you aren't using mysql from debian |
| 17:09.31 | Syoss | i have deleted the sourcecode and downloaded it again. (its the same code) |
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| 17:10.12 | setre | does anyone still use the program xv for viewing images? is there an equally snappy alternative? |
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| 17:10.35 | jeward | Wow, I remember xv. :-) |
| 17:10.50 | jeward | Used to be THE image viewer! |
| 17:10.54 | Syoss | arghx ty, my english is bad ... i am a german ;-) |
| 17:10.55 | setre | jeward: indeed |
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| 17:11.08 | nsadmin | if you updated your libs, that could explain why something you compiled is failing... maybe a library changed |
| 17:11.10 | Syoss | so but what can i do ? |
| 17:11.11 | peterrooney | setre: feh |
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| 17:11.18 | setre | jeward: I read the maintainer died in -94 though :( |
| 17:11.18 | C-Otto | greetings |
| 17:11.20 | Syoss | i think so |
| 17:11.26 | setre | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.31 | jeward | setre: Aw. :-( |
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| 17:11.40 | arghx | Syoss: as stew told you, use debian and not dotdeb |
| 17:11.42 | nsadmin | oh, you mean the libc maint? |
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| 17:12.23 | nsadmin | wait, never mind, that's not when the libc maint died |
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| 17:13.09 | Syoss | ah okay. i didnt noticed, that my source.list was changed lol |
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| 17:13.31 | C-Otto | i'd like to use my caps lock key as a modifier in xmonad. this worked for a long time, but it stopped in debian |
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| 17:13.40 | C-Otto | is there a way to use caps lock without using xmodmap? |
| 17:13.44 | jelly | Blackvel: also: verify "stop" argument works, and try figuring out how to make milter start before your MTA. |
| 17:13.58 | C-Otto | oh, wrong channel actually, sorry |
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| 17:15.04 | C-Otto | xmodmap does not know my caps lock key anymore ('bad keysym in remove modifier list 'Caps_Lock''), but i'd like to use it as mod2. using caps:numlock in XKBOPTIONS did not help (however I can use it to toggle the numlock status) |
| 17:15.15 | C-Otto | is there a way to make caps lock behave as mod2 (for xmonad)? |
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| 17:17.53 | koskoz | hi, when I start sendmail, I've got this: Starting Mail Transport Agent (MTA): sendmailMTA is already running. ... (warning). Is there any log file? I looked in /var/log/mail.err and /var/log/mail.warn but those are emtpy. What this warning means? |
| 17:18.54 | dirkson | Hey all. The Debian installer can't detect my hard drives. Except that I can switch over to the terminal and check for /dev/sd*, it's there, and I can use fdisk, mkfs, etc. Ideas? I don't even know how to start troubleshooting this. |
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| 17:26.59 | jhutchins_lt | koskoz: Either it's already running (ps ax | grep mail) or it left a PID lockfile somewhere that needs to be deleted. |
| 17:27.25 | jhutchins_lt | koskoz: Chances are it won't log anything to the sendmail logs because they're already in use by the previous instance, which isn't having an error. |
| 17:27.40 | acu | I am puzzled - I have installed a debian server and if I need to connect remotely with remmina - at the remote station - it ask for keyring password - therefore someone on the otherside needs to enter a password - I had setup a virtual machine to solve the problem - however the vm debian does not challenge for keyring - I am confused - and I still need to make the remote not ask the keyring password - has anyone some hints to get rid o |
| 17:27.40 | acu | f that keyring ? |
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| 17:30.02 | jeward | It was a code change on our software, thanks for humoring me. :-) |
| 17:30.15 | C-Otto | ah. it helped adding "caps" to XKBOPTIONS |
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| 17:37.35 | dirkson | Hey all. The Debian installer can't detect my hard drives. Except that I can switch over to the terminal and check for /dev/sd*, it's there, and I can use fdisk, mkfs, etc. Ideas? I don't even know how to start troubleshooting this. |
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| 17:41.53 | susam | anyone uses gmail voice chat with iceweasel who can help me? |
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| 17:44.15 | goose | where is the 'ps' command binary? I didn't find it in /usr/bin/ |
| 17:45.01 | jordanm | goose: "type -P ps" |
| 17:45.10 | jordanm | (assuming you use bash) |
| 17:45.22 | petemc | which ps |
| 17:45.26 | pizza_biz | it should be in /bin |
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| 17:45.35 | goose | thanks jordanm / pizza_biz |
| 17:45.57 | arghx | susam: which version of iceweasel? |
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| 17:46.30 | susam | arghx, Vimperator:3.3 (created: 2011/11/13 17:32:12) Firefox:Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/8.0 Iceweasel/8.0 |
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| 17:47.25 | rocketmagnet | hi all, as what's the real difference between imap and pop3?i thoght it's psoosible wiht imap to manage your private calndebar also ?? |
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| 17:48.23 | thewanderer1 | rocketmagnet, no, IMAP is strictly for e-mail. the difference is that they are different protocols which work in different ways (IMAP more advanced, POP3 simple and probably older...)... also why this channel? O.o |
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| 17:48.39 | somiaj | rocketmagnet: "imap vs pop3" <-- goto google, plenty of hits. They are different protocols is the first thing. |
| 17:48.39 | gnarface | should i set noatime on my ext4 partitions? |
| 17:48.43 | thewanderer1 | gnarface, yes! :P |
| 17:48.57 | rocketmagnet | thewanderer1: but imap is also able to work with calendar data as far as i know |
| 17:49.05 | resty_cam | hay all |
| 17:49.32 | resty_cam | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:49.32 | thewanderer1 | rocketmagnet, Outlook + MS Exchange is not IMAP at all :P |
| 17:49.39 | rocketmagnet | somiaj: i have done this, bit i'm a bit confused because i always thgught with imap i can also manage my calendar online |
| 17:49.52 | jhutchins_lt | rocketmagnet: No, imap is a mail protocol. Many clients include calendar clients as well, but the protocol is not the same. |
| 17:49.57 | rocketmagnet | thewanderer1: i'm on squezze with thunderbird |
| 17:50.14 | rocketmagnet | jhutchins_lt: ok, but the calendar stuff does work with imap |
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| 17:50.20 | jhutchins_lt | rocketmagnet: No, it doesn't. |
| 17:50.24 | donnie_brasko | hey got a quick Q, anyone good here with LVM? i have an encrypted filesystem, so when i boot, it asks me for a password............ after say 6 attempts, it pauses for ~3min, then drops to a shell in the ramdisk...... anyone know how i could mount the lvm from the ram disk so i can just keep trying passwords, instead of having to reboot? |
| 17:50.29 | jordanm | rocketmagnet: calender data would use MAPI |
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| 17:50.53 | arghx | jordanm: isn't MAPI a msft "standard"? |
| 17:51.32 | jordanm | arghx: yes, but zimbra also uses it |
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| 17:51.52 | jhutchins_lt | rocketmagnet: To answer your earlier question, pop was primarily designed to download the mail from a server to a seperate client, while imap stores the mail on the server and maintains indicies for the client. |
| 17:51.54 | arghx | so they clone exchange? |
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| 17:52.12 | spersaud | I've found the font that looks the most like mac osx .... |
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| 17:52.17 | jhutchins_lt | arghx: No, but they use the protocol. |
| 17:52.21 | dirkson | Hey all. The Debian installer can't detect my hard drives. Except that I can switch over to the terminal and check for /dev/sd*, it's there, and I can use fdisk, mkfs, etc. Ideas? I don't even know how to start troubleshooting this. |
| 17:52.29 | spersaud | DejaVu Sans Mono Book - Size 10 |
| 17:52.30 | jordanm | arghx: it is a "groupware" stack. it still uses common software such as postfix for the MTA |
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| 17:52.58 | arghx | dirkson: what does the installer say? |
| 17:53.20 | pizza_biz | dirkson: perhaps you have a controller that needs a non-free firmware? |
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| 17:53.43 | jhutchins_lt | dirkson: I'd look at a need for firmware. |
| 17:54.05 | jhutchins_lt | dirkson: Any idea what controller chipset it is? |
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| 17:54.32 | dirkson | arghx: It first drops past detect disks silently, presenting me with a mostly-empty "partiton" screen. I then go back to detect disks, and it presents me with an option to select drivers. (I have no idea how to find out which my hard drives need.) |
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| 17:55.06 | dirkson | pizza_biz: Controller is the bit on the motherboard, yes? I've successfully used different hard drives on the same motherboard. |
| 17:55.56 | dirkson | jhutchins_lt: Not really. How could I find that? lsmod? |
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| 17:56.39 | cvibes | I'm trying to figure out why my apt-get stopped working after we have a new proxy server, now it turns out that apt-get always get a 206 partial content after requesting InRelease file on the mirror, and the reason is apt's http request has a Range: 165xxx- header line in it, anyone has any ideas about this? |
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| 17:57.22 | joker_89 | hi anoone know an interactive pastebin? |
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| 18:03.31 | cheako | joker_89: I'm also looking for a Video chat that includes a shared scratch-pad. |
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| 18:04.06 | joker_89 | [cheako] one day |
| 18:04.12 | joker_89 | someone say one page |
| 18:04.30 | joker_89 | if the project was open. i can edit the document and the othe people say what i was editing |
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| 18:04.47 | joker_89 | and we can work togheter and there was a text chat |
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| 18:06.19 | thewanderer1 | joker_89, Etherpad? |
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| 18:06.54 | cheako | joker_89: yes, exactly like that, with both grphx and text. I wonder if a shared VNC session could do this? |
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| 18:07.07 | joker_89 | was a swepage |
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| 18:07.35 | joker_89 | was a webpage |
| 18:07.37 | thewanderer1 | still, Etherpad. |
| 18:07.38 | joker_89 | without register |
| 18:07.42 | joker_89 | i go to see |
| 18:07.44 | joker_89 | was a turken web |
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| 18:08.52 | cheako | http://sync.in/bnmbXQU90a <--- |
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| 18:09.10 | joker_89 | ok is this! |
| 18:09.12 | joker_89 | [cheako] thanks |
| 18:09.13 | dirkson | This channel is bizzare. No response, and minimal chatter from 1,200 people, for 30 minutes, then a rush of three responses... All of whom don't respond back? It makes me wonder if there isn't something wrong with the channel/freenode. |
| 18:09.29 | somiaj | joker_89: there are online whiteboards -- look in google. |
| 18:10.17 | cheako | http://sync.in/bnmbXQU90a |
| 18:10.22 | somiaj | dirkson: most people are only midly focused on irc while they are doing what ever it is they do (usually work, research, etc) |
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| 18:11.25 | dirkson | somiaj: True. IRC would be vastly improved by an afk counter, I think. It would be great to see how many people were actually active in a particular chatroom :D |
| 18:11.37 | rm-rf | can anyone tell me how i can script the installation of a package with dpkg that requires interaction? |
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| 18:11.59 | somiaj | dirkson: I think it would be imporved by a bit more paitence by people here for volenteer support. (: |
| 18:12.07 | rm-rf | i'm trying to install mysql-5.5 via dpkg, and it is asking for a root password to be set for managing the database |
| 18:12.14 | rm-rf | this is breaking my script |
| 18:12.32 | somiaj | rm-rf: check debconf, I belive you can send it the options directally if you know what they are. |
| 18:12.43 | zfra | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
| 18:13.01 | zfra | Isn't working. |
| 18:13.13 | dirkson | somiaj: I have plenty of patience : ) But I have nothing to do but sit here and wait, so I blather. I've utterly exhausted the routes I know to troubleshoot my problem. |
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| 18:13.59 | somiaj | dirkson: I have no clue why it isn't detecting your harddrives. They are just regular sata/ide/scsi drives or do you have some specal setup? |
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| 18:14.21 | somiaj | dirkson: also you are using the offical stable installer right? (as opposed to the testing or any of the unoffical installers) |
| 18:14.25 | dirkson | somiaj: They're SSDs. I could even find the model if it helps. |
| 18:14.48 | dirkson | somiaj: I've tried both the stable and testing, with the same problem |
| 18:14.57 | rm-rf | somiaj: thanks for the pointer |
| 18:14.59 | somiaj | hmm, I have no issues with debian on my SSD, but sadly I used debootstrap to install it. :/ |
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| 18:15.30 | dirkson | somiaj: Well, I installed it to a more different SSD, using the testing installer, the day before yesterday |
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| 18:16.02 | somiaj | rm-rf: http://wiki.debian.org/ConfigPackages -- that may contain some useful info. |
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| 18:17.31 | somiaj | rm-rf: http://www.posteet.com/view/2060 -- I also found this, not much info, but maybe it works. |
| 18:17.32 | kl4m | rm-rf: http://www.ossramblings.com/preseed_your_apt_get_for_unattended_installs |
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| 18:17.59 | joeoshawa | I am using xfce with two separate xscreens and i was wondering if there is a clock applet i can have running on one without a panel |
| 18:18.27 | somiaj | joeoshawa: xclock |
| 18:18.33 | joeoshawa | thank you |
| 18:18.43 | dirkson | somiaj: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-148-441 - This is the drive, if you're curious |
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| 18:20.15 | somiaj | dirkson: looks like the same drive I have. But as I said I don't use the di anymore, I prefer debootstrap installs. |
| 18:20.42 | dirkson | somiaj: *looks this up* |
| 18:21.34 | somiaj | dirkson: you have to put the drive in a function computer (preferabally with a *nix on it) and then just copy things over. Though that drive came with a usb dongle, just plug it into another debian machine, insatll the os. (: |
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| 18:22.52 | somiaj | dirkson: if you are using the testing installer, might want to check the bts see if there are any issues with ssd -- though I dont see why there should be, its the sata controler that is important. Though maybe the di isn't detecting the drive as a harddrive and is ignoring it. (just my thoughts, whatever they are worth) |
| 18:23.22 | dirkson | somiaj: Well, I could definitely try a debootstrap install. I assume it's too much to ask that debootstrap is available on the install media? :D |
| 18:23.59 | dirkson | somiaj: I keep wanting to say "But I can see the hard drive in /dev/sd*" :D It FEELS like that should be important. |
| 18:24.01 | somiaj | dirkson: I don't even know of any livecd that contains it by default. :/ |
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| 18:24.56 | somiaj | dirkson: well as I said, I think what is happening is the installer sees the devices /dev/sd? but they could be a cdrom or some other type of drive. Since it can't verify its a harddrive it is ignoring them. |
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| 18:25.21 | dirkson | somiaj: AH! THAT is good to know. Is there a way to turn off that behavior? :D |
| 18:25.22 | somiaj | dirkson: that is my uneducated guess as to what is going on. |
| 18:25.32 | somiaj | dirkson: I have no clue. |
| 18:25.47 | somiaj | dirkson: are you using expert mode? |
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| 18:26.18 | dirkson | somiaj: Yessir |
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| 18:26.44 | somiaj | and this is the testing installer or the stable installer? |
| 18:26.54 | dirkson | I've tried both |
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| 18:29.34 | nick_h | when configuring the tzdata package, in the "Etc" geographic area, UTC, UCT, and Universal are listed. any idea what the difference is between those? |
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| 18:30.35 | somiaj | dirkson: hmm, finding info that says to mount any filesystems with 'noatime' to increase life, better dot hat to my drive. :/ |
| 18:30.54 | dirkson | somiaj: Just a tick, I wonder if I can use dmraid. I see options for it. (The board has support for dmraid) |
| 18:31.10 | jordanm | noatime can greatly reduce the ammount of writes made the drive |
| 18:31.16 | dirkson | somiaj: That's good to know. I normally use noatime anyway, just because I think it makes the drive go faster... ^^;; |
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| 18:33.05 | somiaj | dirkson: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=60781 -- do you have the drive set as 'IDE' or "ACHI" in your bios, that sounds almost lke your problem (But you can see the drives were this guy couldn't) |
| 18:33.23 | arvind_khadri | Hi, I want to edit my PATH variable. I have made the changes in .bash_profile, and saved it. But it does not reflect. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 18:33.31 | thewanderer1 | uhh, I don't think /dev/sda can ever be a CD-ROM... |
| 18:33.52 | thewanderer1 | dirkson, you're running the testing installer? almost certainly a bug |
| 18:33.57 | somiaj | arvind_khadri: how are you login in? Do you export the new PATH? |
| 18:34.09 | somiaj | thewanderer1: he says it happens with either testing or stable installer. |
| 18:34.37 | dirkson | thewanderer1: I've run both the testing and stable installer |
| 18:34.38 | arvind_khadri | somiaj, it is a xterm. I do export it in .bash_profile. |
| 18:34.42 | thewanderer1 | hmm, debootstrap then :P |
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| 18:35.05 | dkarampin_ | hello |
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| 18:35.09 | thewanderer1 | dirkson, and don't use fakeRAID, it gives you all kinds of silly problems without any benefits |
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| 18:35.44 | dkarampin_ | any hint on how to activate the bluetooth on my laptop ? |
| 18:35.49 | somiaj | arvind_khadri: make sure it isn't being over written in .bashrc? (its where I put my path and it works fine without an export) |
| 18:35.55 | dirkson | somiaj: The bios has a dmraid option, an ahci option, and an ide option. I've tried dmraid and ahci. |
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| 18:36.20 | dirkson | thewanderer1: Yeah, that's the impression I got. Sort of pissed at the board manufacturer for saying it had raid :D |
| 18:37.01 | dirkson | thewanderer1: But I have very few troubleshooting steps, so I tried the dmraid option just to see if it did anything different. |
| 18:37.25 | thewanderer1 | dirkson, AHCI is a safe bet these days generally, if it's a controller problem then changing the mode won't help at all :P |
| 18:37.55 | dirkson | thewanderer1: I would like to mention that I /can/ see the drives on /dev/sd*. They just don't appear in the installer. |
| 18:38.01 | arvind_khadri | somiaj, putting it in .bashrc. Whats the use of bash_profile then? |
| 18:38.27 | dirkson | thewanderer1: Which is a bloody insane problem, by the way :D The drives are THERE, debian installer! Use them! |
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| 18:39.50 | thewanderer1 | dirkson, you'll manage with debootstrap somehow... :P (maybe the log under tty4 in the installer says something?) |
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| 18:40.12 | dirkson | thewanderer1: There's a log in tt..... BLOODY HELL. |
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| 18:41.24 | dirkson | thewanderer1: Lots of rapidly scrolling segfaults. |
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| 18:42.03 | thewanderer1 | dirkson, that might explain it... |
| 18:42.24 | dirkson | thewanderer1: Specifically after attempting to detect the drives. I wonder what this means |
| 18:42.26 | thewanderer1 | dirkson, I'd try memtest and a different SATA cable at this point |
| 18:43.01 | Wayny | I'm wondering why hardly anyone seems to be interested in stable-backports of qemu |
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| 18:44.01 | Dulak | arvind_khadri: bash_profile is only used for login shells, which by default most terminals do not use, though they usually have a setting to make it use a login shell. |
| 18:44.05 | dirkson | thewanderer1: They're two separate drives with two separate sata cables. And Memtest passes fine. |
| 18:44.35 | arvind_khadri | Dulak, oh, I always forget that :) thanks a lot for clearing that up :) |
| 18:44.57 | thewanderer1 | dirkson, tried with only 1 plugged in? oh, what hardware, too? some recent stuff? |
| 18:45.13 | dirkson | thewanderer1: Yup, recent. Just a tick |
| 18:45.46 | dirkson | thewanderer1: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816110061 - Board. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148441 - Drive. |
| 18:46.51 | thewanderer1 | ah, C204... and what kernel was the testing installer using? |
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| 18:47.53 | dirkson | thewanderer1: Unsure, how would I check? I downloaded it the day before yesterday, if the helps. |
| 18:47.56 | dirkson | *that |
| 18:48.19 | seeker7 | i have created a single page in scribus and want to print but all it prints is blank pages |
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| 18:48.37 | thewanderer1 | dirkson, uname -a in the installer environment (on tty2 there should be bash running) |
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| 18:48.45 | dirkson | Just a tick |
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| 18:48.48 | seeker7 | if i export to a pdf the pdf prints but then that is not the correct dimensions |
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| 18:49.30 | dirkson | thewanderer1: 3.0.0-2-amd64 . We hit 3.0 when I wasn't looking ^^ |
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| 18:50.45 | spersaud | msfonts -- yuck |
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| 18:52.23 | dirkson | thewanderer1: You sounded like you had some sort of awesome idea. I'm very eager ^^ |
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| 18:53.08 | thewanderer1 | dirkson, tough luck, 3.0.0 is pretty recent and should support that chipset... back to debootstrap :P |
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| 18:53.37 | dirkson | thewanderer1: Ouch. What would you say the easiest way to get debootstrap onto a thumbdrive would be? :D |
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| 18:54.14 | thewanderer1 | dirkson, get some kind of live system (live.debian.net ? ) onto the said pendrive and boot from that |
| 18:54.35 | bolt | how can I list the samba users on a system? |
| 18:54.42 | bolt | smbpasswd doesn't seem to have a list function :/ |
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| 18:55.24 | dirkson | thewanderer1: That's a good idea |
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| 18:56.24 | dirkson | thewanderer1: simonlnu: Appreciate all the help. Going to try debootstrap now |
| 18:56.34 | thewanderer1 | don't forget to post a bug report or so :P |
| 18:57.21 | valdyn | bolt: "cat /etc/samba/smbpasswd" is not good enough? |
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| 18:57.52 | bolt | valdyn: not really. that file doesn't exist :/ |
| 18:58.11 | valdyn | bolt: so maybe theres no samba users |
| 18:58.19 | bolt | valdyn: there are |
| 18:58.37 | thewanderer1 | and they don't use LDAP for backend? |
| 18:58.41 | bolt | nope |
| 18:58.41 | valdyn | bolt: samba authentication is extremely configurable |
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| 18:59.01 | valdyn | bolt: if youre using smbpasswd then there needs to be an smbpasswd file |
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| 18:59.40 | bolt | valdyn: well, i just used smbpasswd to add a user, and enable it. now i connected as it. and I don't have an /etc/samba/smbpasswd |
| 18:59.48 | petemc | pdbedit -L |
| 19:00.33 | bolt | that lists them :) |
| 19:01.10 | valdyn | i wonder if it really does |
| 19:01.17 | petemc | does here |
| 19:01.27 | bolt | it lists the users i remember adding to samba |
| 19:01.34 | bolt | and one other, which i can't remember, but probably did |
| 19:02.05 | bolt | it also says: tdbsam_open: successfully opened /var/lib/samba/passdb.tdb |
| 19:02.23 | rocketmagnet | isn't there a way i can manage my calendar online with my emails ? so i have my emails and all my calendar and contacts ? |
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| 19:05.12 | mang0 | Just a quick one; debian also uses "sudo apt-get install xxxxx" right? Like ubuntu. Not pacman or anything... |
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| 19:06.02 | bolt | valdyn: sorry if i seemed confrontational btw. didn't mean to. just re-read what i wrote and found it looked quite bad. |
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| 19:06.22 | bolt | thanks guys :) |
| 19:06.23 | spersaud | its funny how msfonts brings back so many memories of windows, it looks so crappy and unprofessional ... kind of shocking that linux has beaten windows in the ui dept |
| 19:06.52 | jelly-home | spersaud: I'm still using Tahoma for my menus and other widget things |
| 19:06.58 | valdyn | bolt: I did not take it as confrontational, dont worry about it |
| 19:07.06 | jelly-home | readability unbeatable |
| 19:07.12 | bolt | :) |
| 19:07.57 | nvz | I was trying to shring down my root filesystem to install on another partition and move stuff over, but it failed twice (using gparted) claiming short reads during the resize. I've already deleted most of whats on the partition and for the time being have ubuntu running but I'd like to save the 60gb or so still on that 140gb partition and dont quite have enough storage elsewhere to do it. Any suggestions? |
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| 19:08.37 | thewanderer1 | rocketmagnet, maybe Evolution (GNOME mail/groupware client) has some tools for managing a calendar online? |
| 19:08.46 | tidux | I'm having a problem with "keychain" and ssh-agent |
| 19:08.47 | spersaud | nvz: get another hd, dont be cheap |
| 19:08.49 | jelly-home | nvz: find storage elsewhere, backup, reformat, restore |
| 19:08.56 | tidux | it seems to magically not work |
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| 19:09.05 | spersaud | Im glad I used my entire 30 gb as root and used a 140 gb wd for home ... |
| 19:09.08 | tidux | it keeps asking me for the passphrase to my key |
| 19:09.13 | thewanderer1 | rocketmagnet, also, there is a software package called Horde which is an e-mail client and calendar manager |
| 19:09.15 | spersaud | 6gb ran out ... dont do it |
| 19:09.19 | tidux | but that's the reason keychain exists - so that I shouldn't have to! |
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| 19:09.26 | spersaud | 30gb ssd |
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| 19:09.58 | nvz | spersaud: not being cheap, I'm broke.. if I had money to waste on it, I'd get a whole new machine which is the next step.. what I'm doing now is trying to make the most of what I have to keep working till I have the money to do that |
| 19:10.22 | jelly-home | since it's temporary storage, you can borrow it from a friend |
| 19:10.31 | spersaud | nvz: why dont you figure it out, remove ubuntu for one could solve most of your problems |
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| 19:10.45 | nvz | you're an idiot |
| 19:11.10 | nvz | and you're both missing the point here |
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| 19:11.22 | jelly-home | no, it's really the simplest solution |
| 19:11.36 | spersaud | nvz: save your home directory .. everything else could be lost, |
| 19:11.48 | spersaud | always keep those files in a separate dir |
| 19:11.54 | nvz | my concern is, that if gparted is claiming short reads, will any solution other than replacing the drive even be possible |
| 19:12.00 | spersaud | err ... prt |
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| 19:12.20 | nvz | my /home /etc and /usr/local/bin are all that remains on that partition |
| 19:12.35 | jelly-home | nvz: hard to guess anything witohut having seen complete output of that gparted run |
| 19:12.43 | arghx | short reads? |
| 19:12.56 | nvz | thats all it told me, was short reads |
| 19:13.08 | spersaud | nvz: get software from manufacturer to do a test ... they have them for linux now .. |
| 19:13.35 | arghx | spersaud: no need. it's simply SMART for all of them |
| 19:14.17 | spersaud | arghx: oh good to know .. |
| 19:15.01 | nvz | I wish I could just boot from SD for the rest of this machines life |
| 19:16.03 | thewanderer1 | nvz, hmm, is a newer version of gparted available? maybe the one you're using has a bug / is not feature complete? |
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| 19:16.35 | nvz | thewanderer1: the one I used was I guess ubuntu lucid from squeeze's unetbootin |
| 19:17.01 | thewanderer1 | nvz, compare with upstream anyway |
| 19:17.07 | nvz | I normally use parted magic but happened to have ubuntu on the thumbdrive at the time |
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| 19:17.54 | _Mikey | unix2dos doesn't work no mo' |
| 19:17.57 | _Mikey | whaa? |
| 19:18.13 | _Mikey | no its tofrodos's todos ;/ |
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| 19:19.33 | nvz | idk.. I'm gonna try again here shortly and if all else fails I guess I will either just live with a 5gb / and a 140gb /home or figure out some way to backup what I can and delete what I cant. |
| 19:20.00 | nvz | I have a total of about 28gb in flash media right now.. I just have over 60gb of data left on that partition |
| 19:22.24 | nvz | hmm.. I guess techincally I could bind mount /usr/ to the larger partition and all is fine |
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| 19:23.26 | nvz | cause if / goes over 5gb its gonna be mostly all in /usr/ anyhow.. and occasionally I'll need more space in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 19:23.44 | tidux | never mind, found the zsh/keychain docs |
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| 19:25.20 | nvz | does anyone see anything horridly wrong with the idea of technically having /usr/ on the /home/ partition but bind mounted to /usr/ ? heh |
| 19:25.55 | stew | nvz: not unless you are doing something like mounting /home with noexec or nosuid |
| 19:26.28 | nvz | stew: typically mount it defaults... never did a bind mount in fstab before but sure I could figure it out.. |
| 19:26.29 | jelly-home | nvz: and mounting it in fstab |
| 19:26.43 | jelly-home | no need for a bind mount where a symlink will do |
| 19:27.06 | jelly-home | nvz: but, why don't you move the apt cache instead |
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| 19:27.11 | anddam | hello |
| 19:27.17 | jelly-home | it's volatile data anyway |
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| 19:27.49 | nvz | jelly-home: hmm.. well the apt cache will only be big during an upgrade or something.. I clean it routinely.. where as the vast majority of the systems usage is in /usr/ |
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| 19:30.27 | anddam | is there a tool to check if an USB flash drive works correctly? |
| 19:30.35 | anddam | I mean in debian's repository |
| 19:30.50 | nvz | jelly-home: I just want / to keep enough free space to allow /var/cache, /tmp.. and such to grow as needed during normal operation.. and currently reparitioning isn't happening.. and all I have to work with is a 5gb partition, a 140gb partition and a 2gb partition.. so seems most logical to use those for /, /home, swap.. and then link/bind anything that's too large to the larger partition |
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| 19:33.06 | protocol | Hey everyone |
| 19:33.13 | nkuttler | anddam: hm, mount it? or define works |
| 19:33.23 | anddam | it's not mounting, probably controller issue |
| 19:33.32 | anddam | I'd like a test to confirm it's broken (or not) |
| 19:33.32 | nkuttler | anddam: check dmesg output |
| 19:33.50 | anddam | usb 2-1.1: reset high speed USB device number 9 using ehci_hcd |
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| 19:34.03 | dr_rotflcopter | hi, does your linux kernel support HRT by default ? |
| 19:34.31 | protocol | I have a question I hope someone can assist me with: Anyone having issues applying murrine-based themes correctly? When I try to apply a theme that uses that engine, I get the old classic Win95 look. |
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| 19:34.53 | nkuttler | anddam: no idea. don't you have a second box you can just use to try? |
| 19:35.00 | anddam | nope |
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| 19:36.10 | protocol | Anyone have any idea? |
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| 19:37.07 | MilkGoneBad | protocol: using murrina-candido here (openbox) on testing- no issues |
| 19:37.38 | protocol | Must be a Gnome things, then. |
| 19:37.44 | protocol | I might try installing xfce |
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| 19:38.04 | protocol | I'm not a fan of Gnome 3/Fallback either... :| |
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| 19:38.07 | MilkGoneBad | no gnome here or i'd check |
| 19:38.17 | protocol | MilkGoneBad: Whatcha using? |
| 19:38.41 | MilkGoneBad | xfce installer then slapped openbox on it. prefer thunar and xfce stuff |
| 19:39.21 | MilkGoneBad | errr, advanced options on netinstall to be precise, then chose xfce as de |
| 19:39.24 | protocol | Going to just throw xfce on here. |
| 19:39.35 | protocol | Gnome is too bloated here as well |
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| 19:48.13 | Blackvel | is there a good and simple snapshot backup option for squeeze? i only got a vserver. they provide a backup server for snapshots. but it failed the whole weekend. i am not sure if stored snapshots are really that safe or could be lost |
| 19:48.58 | Blackvel | are snapshot tools even able to restore a squeeze in a virtuozzo guest system (running root session)? |
| 19:49.27 | Blackvel | there would also be a rescue system which i can boot. and mount the guest in /repair. |
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| 19:49.58 | Blackvel | i can't image that it is possible to overwrite debian sys files in a running guest virtuozzo session? :) |
| 19:51.00 | Blackvel | back in 10 mins |
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| 19:52.43 | moonlightcheese | so i'm having issues with a c program i've written that takes streaming data over serial. the pastebin is here: http://pastebin.com/RxCMmG9h when i uncomment the printf() debug lines i can see that execution stops on the first read call (ie, "connected, starting loop" and "flushing buffer" appear. i've tried commenting out the tcflush to eliminate is as an issue and the read never occurs) |
| 19:52.55 | moonlightcheese | the serial port should be connected on /dev/ttymxc0 |
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| 19:53.02 | dirkson | Debian default livecd comes without wpa_supplicant. There's a half hour of downloading down the drain. Trololololo...... |
| 19:53.08 | moonlightcheese | executing 'setserial /dev/ttymxc0' shows '/dev/ttymxc0, UART: undefined, Port: 0x0000, IRQ: 31 |
| 19:53.38 | thewanderer1 | dirkson, uh, load it to another pendrive and install? |
| 19:53.39 | moonlightcheese | looks like the serial device isn't set up? don't know how to fill in the blanks though. |
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| 19:54.11 | dirkson | thewanderer1: I don't have non-wpa internet available. |
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| 19:54.43 | thewanderer1 | dirkson, yeah but I mean download using another OS and put somewhere on a pendrive |
| 19:54.58 | dirkson | thewanderer1: I suppose I could. |
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| 19:55.14 | thewanderer1 | I guess you can add stuff to the vfat filesystem |
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| 19:55.36 | thewanderer1 | if not, there are many ways to hack around... append raw binaries to the end of the pendrive and write down offsets etc. :P |
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| 19:59.22 | dirkson | thewanderer1: I dunno. If it's missing something so basic as wpa_supplicant, what else doesn't it have? Each trip back and forth will eat up 5-10 minutes. There's not many trips before the hour download time of the bigger livecd starts being about equal. And I can work on other things while the image downloads. |
| 19:59.28 | thisthat | i can see my interface in ifconfig -a but when i do ifconfig wlan1 up it says SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory, can anyone help me? research has pointed me to it being caused by a hardware conflict but i am stuck |
| 20:00.09 | thewanderer1 | dirkson, uh, what exactly did you download so it doesn't have that? |
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| 20:00.29 | dirkson | thewanderer1: The "standard" download. Text-only, about 200mb. |
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| 20:00.50 | thewanderer1 | hmm, that doesn't have wpa_supplicant indeed |
| 20:01.04 | thewanderer1 | not quite sure if the larger images do... they should |
| 20:01.22 | thewanderer1 | thisthat, missing firmware? |
| 20:01.30 | thisthat | hmm |
| 20:02.17 | thisthat | its a pci card, RTL8111/8168B |
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| 20:02.42 | thisthat | no thats not right |
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| 20:03.20 | thisthat | its a ralink rt2561/rt61 pci card |
| 20:03.48 | thisthat | using driver rt61pci, how do i determine what firmware to use |
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| 20:07.01 | thewanderer1 | thisthat, Ralink, right? firmware-ralink probably |
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| 20:07.28 | FarmerD | hello! |
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| 20:07.43 | FarmerD | Im lookin for software I can use for landscaping design on debian |
| 20:07.52 | FarmerD | does anybody have any suggestions? |
| 20:08.19 | thisthat | ah |
| 20:08.21 | thisthat | awesome |
| 20:08.25 | thisthat | thanks so much |
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| 20:08.39 | thisthat | wonder how long i would have searched for that |
| 20:08.47 | thewanderer1 | ,file stubs-32.h |
| 20:08.51 | judd | Search for stubs-32.h in squeeze/i386: libc6-dev: usr/include/gnu/stubs-32.h |
| 20:09.14 | somiaj | FarmerD: xfig, though its a bit simple I have always hoped for a more modern versin of it. (: |
| 20:09.25 | thisthat | now i remember doing that firmware install the last time i installed this card, DUH!!! |
| 20:09.29 | FarmerD | thanks |
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| 20:11.02 | kyyr | thisthat: get firmware-ralink from non-free. I had one of those. |
| 20:12.13 | FarmerD | hmm xfig didnt install a "start menu" shortcut |
| 20:12.21 | FarmerD | Ive always wondered how to make my own shortcuts |
| 20:12.36 | thewanderer1 | kyyr, slow response is slow :) |
| 20:12.37 | FarmerD | making "link" is a horrible way of doing it and doesnt work |
| 20:13.08 | thewanderer1 | FarmerD, Alt+F2 xfig :P |
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| 20:13.25 | FarmerD | thanks |
| 20:13.27 | kyyr | thewanderer1: yes, sorry, I didn't notice. At least I wasn't wrong to boot, was I. |
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| 20:13.29 | FarmerD | I didnt know that shortcut |
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| 20:13.43 | thewanderer1 | FarmerD, makes icons completely useless :D |
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| 20:19.24 | somiaj | FarmerD: lots of it depends on the desktop/wm you are using. |
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| 20:27.22 | Mogget | How do i change the default editor to vi? When doing visudo and cron -e i get this ridicolous editor. |
| 20:27.46 | dvs | Mogget: export EDITOR=vi |
| 20:28.09 | JohnWittle | haha |
| 20:28.13 | JohnWittle | describing nano as ridiculous |
| 20:28.15 | JohnWittle | i likeit. |
| 20:29.10 | Mogget | Theres no dpkg-reconfigure command for editors? |
| 20:29.11 | dvs | !start an editor war |
| 20:29.11 | dpkg | joe blows! |
| 20:29.28 | somiaj | also check your alternatives. update-alternatives --config edior |
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| 20:29.41 | somiaj | Mogget: ^^ and its editor (typo) |
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| 20:30.11 | JohnWittle | dvs: are there really proponents of nano in the whole vim emacs thing? |
| 20:30.27 | dvs | JohnDoh: doubt it |
| 20:31.16 | somiaj | JohnWittle: pine/pico were standard tools in lots of places. I'm sure there are people who prefer those interfaces which is where nano is basically from. |
| 20:31.18 | Mogget | Thanks guys, feels better having vi back :) |
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| 20:44.11 | dr_rotflcopter | does your linux kernel support HRT by default ? |
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| 20:44.36 | kreign | dr_rotflcopter, what's that? |
| 20:44.46 | LoRez | dr_rotflcopter: does your client support not spamming? |
| 20:45.14 | dr_rotflcopter | it is high resolution timer. |
| 20:45.26 | dr_rotflcopter | built in kernel |
| 20:45.42 | dr_rotflcopter | i was spamming kernel internals. |
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| 20:46.06 | amt0101 | Hello, I am a beginner trying to switch to Debian. I own a laptop with a bcm4312 card and when I try to install debian amd64 it tells me I need firmware b43/ucode15.fw b43-open/ucode15.fw Where can I get the firmware? Seems like the dvd I have doesn't have non-free packages. |
| 20:46.15 | LoRez | does #haskell have a linux kernel now? |
| 20:46.40 | jelly-home | LoRez: can you not just +q him and continue in private? |
| 20:46.58 | jelly-home | #debian is not #playing_with_trolls |
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| 20:47.22 | dvs | amt0101: http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 20:47.39 | babilen | !tell amt0101 -about installer firmware |
| 20:47.41 | dvs | use the wl driver |
| 20:47.46 | babilen | !tell amt0101 -about firmware images |
| 20:48.30 | babilen | amt0101: You can also install the firmware later (quite easily if you can connect via ethernet for example) |
| 20:48.58 | amt0101 | babilen, The thing is I can't install later because I can't connect to the internet. |
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| 20:49.18 | amt0101 | babilen, Because I have no network driver on debian. |
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| 20:49.52 | orudie | is there openfire in debian repos ? |
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| 20:50.11 | babilen | amt0101: Then download the firmware and install it during the installation or manually afterwards. The wl driver does not need firmware, but also needs to be installed seperately. No chance to get your computer connected to ethernet? |
| 20:50.17 | jelly-home | amt0101: a usb stick may be helpful |
| 20:50.18 | babilen | !tell orudie -about search |
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| 20:50.53 | babilen | amt0101: Please also take a look at the messages dpkg sent you |
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| 20:51.13 | bviktor | ♥ dr_rotflcopter |
| 20:51.22 | dr_rotflcopter | hey |
| 20:52.00 | bviktor | i hear there are people here who have "problems", is that true? |
| 20:52.11 | dr_rotflcopter | yeah |
| 20:52.34 | dr_rotflcopter | just copy it here and they will ban me ;>> |
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| 20:53.32 | bviktor | copy what? i heared it from someone else. |
| 20:54.21 | babilen | bviktor: Do you have a Debian related question we can help you with? This is indeed a technical support channel and in particular one for Debian users. |
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| 20:54.57 | amt0101 | babilen, Thank you so much. I'll try and see if I can get my system up and running. |
| 20:55.02 | dr_rotflcopter | i would like to ask if debian developers have fixed the debian installer yet |
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| 20:55.37 | stew | dr_rotflcopter: http://bugs.debian.org/debian-installer |
| 20:55.51 | dr_rotflcopter | so it can set the kemap properly for hungarian keyboard |
| 20:55.58 | orudie | how can I install JRE ? |
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| 20:56.04 | babilen | dr_rotflcopter: What is wrong with the installer? Many people use it every day without problems. And you can also check for bugs that have been reported against it if you want more information. |
| 20:56.10 | babilen | !tell orudie -about install java |
| 20:56.31 | dr_rotflcopter | babilen<< well i guess nobody tried to install it using a hungarian keyboard |
| 20:56.42 | wiretapped | d-i rocks, even does wpa now |
| 20:56.53 | dr_rotflcopter | and had other issues too, but thrown the test dvd out after |
| 20:57.01 | dvs | wiretapped: really?!? Finally! |
| 20:57.16 | arghx | wiretapped: the wheezy one? |
| 20:57.25 | wiretapped | (testing does, not stable) |
| 20:57.44 | dvs | wiretapped: awwwwwwwwww! You got my hopes up! ;-) |
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| 20:59.50 | jelly-home | babilen: the idea is for you to spend time booting and trying the perfectly valid .hu keyboard, reporting it back while the troll laughs their face out |
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| 21:00.55 | jelly-home | dr_rotflcopter: jó próbálkozás |
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| 21:01.33 | dr_rotflcopter | jelly-home<< yeah i'm laughing right now, but not on what you think, i did try debian many times before, and it FAILED |
| 21:01.49 | jelly-home | cry me a river |
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| 21:02.43 | exaboy | hi i was wondering how to work out which java package ive installed. |
| 21:03.00 | stew | exaboy: check /var/log/dpkg.log ? |
| 21:03.01 | dvs | exaboy: java -version ? |
| 21:03.08 | exaboy | can i list out my pkgdb? |
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| 21:03.27 | talexb | exaboy, dpkg -l | grep java |
| 21:03.32 | jelly-home | wonders why LoRez didn't deal with the infestation |
| 21:03.57 | jordanm | talexb: that will fail to list openjdk |
| 21:04.08 | jordanm | exaboy: update-alternatives --list java |
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| 21:04.54 | jordanm | java -version will only display the currently selected java alternative |
| 21:05.00 | exaboy | thanks ive got: sun-java6-bin sun-java-jre and java-common |
| 21:06.44 | stew | exaboy: note that sun java was removed from testing/unstable, it has security problems not being dealt with. you are encouraged to use openjdk instead |
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| 21:07.21 | dvs | stew: security problems? I thought it was that they revoked the licence. |
| 21:07.24 | rly | Is there any browser which can open all URLs below a selected area? |
| 21:07.39 | rly | The Snap Links extension does this for ancient versions of firefox. |
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| 21:08.44 | stew | !dbugs 646524 |
| 21:08.50 | dpkg | DONE:#646524:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: sun-java6 -- ROM; security issues and newer versions cannot be redistributed (); Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:00:01 UTC [] |
| 21:08.50 | stew | dvs: looks like both |
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| 21:09.33 | dvs | tries to change his over. |
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| 21:12.44 | jelly-home | bye bye miss sun jvm |
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| 21:13.05 | _ramo1 | hi |
| 21:13.30 | _ramo1 | i'm using debian squeeze and wanted to install phpunit version 3.5 ... but squeeze default is php unit 3.4 . |
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| 21:13.57 | Joelito | Hi, question: How can I reconfigure network manager so it can read my connections? I unistall it, and now I re-install it and now I doesn't show any connections :( |
| 21:14.01 | exaboy | stew: ok is there any glaring compatibilty issues with openjdk, im using the sun version locally will it run ok? i know java is a VM for this reason but still you know how fickle it it |
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| 21:15.08 | jelly-home | exaboy: yeah, a number of apps still don't work well with openjdk, but the only real way to know is to try it out |
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| 21:15.31 | exaboy | maybe i should head over to the java channel and ask around |
| 21:15.43 | stew | its been no problem for me |
| 21:15.51 | stew | but ymmv... |
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| 21:16.14 | stew | hmm, phpunit needs a new maintainer |
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| 21:17.31 | stew | _ramo1: if you really need a newer phpunit, unfortunately debian isn't going to be able to help until someone steps up to volunteer to maintain it |
| 21:17.51 | orudie | I just installed a package using dpkg -i packagename.deb and it didn't give any errors, but for some reason doesn't seem to work |
| 21:17.59 | stew | _ramo1: there is a newer version in unstable but it is broken, and its previous maintainer is no longer going to be working with debian |
| 21:18.46 | _ramo1 | stew: may this work: http://wwwicked.posterous.com/installing-phpunit-on-debian-squeeze |
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| 21:20.00 | stew | _ramo1: i'd expect that to work, yes |
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| 21:22.06 | konverguoju | hello, is there any lightweight WM for debian like Xcompmgr for archlinux to enhance openbox features? |
| 21:22.15 | _ramo1 | stew: installed successfully 3.6.3 of phpunit |
| 21:22.44 | rm-rf | what is the best way to install a local .deb? dpkg, or is there a way to do it with apt, similar to 'yum localinstall'? |
| 21:22.58 | stew | rm-rf: dpkg -i foo.deb |
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| 21:23.53 | loot | konverguoju: xcompmgr is in squeeze |
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| 21:24.19 | rm-rf | stew: thanks |
| 21:25.00 | exaboy | stew: guys in ##java are going bannans over me asking about this issue with java :S |
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| 21:26.11 | stew | exaboy: how so? |
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| 21:27.12 | exaboy | mr cheeser seems to think its bad advice and there is nothing wrong with the sun version |
| 21:27.32 | StephenS | how to change language in linux but only for typing how to change languagae for my keyboard? tanks |
| 21:27.46 | jelly-home | bad advice or not, it's not distributed by Debian any more |
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| 21:28.20 | jelly-home | exaboy: you can still download the tarball from the vendor and use that |
| 21:28.27 | stew | exaboy: it not being free is enough wrong for me. There are other reasons why people might desire the non-free version, but in that case, you should probably be getting it directly from oracle instead of from debian, as debian is not going to be able to get the security patches |
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| 21:28.53 | StephenS | how to change language in linux but only for typing how to change languagae for my keyboard? tanks |
| 21:29.11 | arghx | !tell StephenS about keymap |
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| 21:29.27 | n_np | hello |
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| 21:29.38 | n_np | how can i get pulseaudio to work in debian? I need it for skype |
| 21:30.34 | exaboy | stew: thats a bloody good point. bastards, why are they being dicks about it? |
| 21:31.04 | dvs | exaboy: $$$ |
| 21:31.22 | somiaj | n_np: why do you 'need' it for skype, skype works fine where without it |
| 21:31.36 | exaboy | smacks his forehead |
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| 21:31.51 | jelly-home | somiaj: does it work fine when flash and a media player are alo using the outputs? |
| 21:32.24 | stew | iirc oracle are (going to?) start being dicks with mysql as well |
| 21:32.37 | dvs | yay! |
| 21:32.38 | n_np | then how do i configure it to use something else? |
| 21:32.43 | dr_rotflcopter | would some of you guys check this for me on your linux box? thank you. grep -Eio 'now at.*|\.resolution:.*|event_handler:.*' /proc/timer_list | sort -u | tr "\n" "," |
| 21:32.44 | n_np | it only gives me the option of pulseaudio |
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| 21:33.03 | jelly-home | n_np: it will give you other options when you stop pulseaudio. |
| 21:33.12 | somiaj | jelly-home: with dmix I have no trouble with things grabing the audio out and can have multiple sources. Though only one source can have the mic. |
| 21:33.14 | n_np | how do i stop pulseaudio mate? |
| 21:33.28 | somiaj | jelly-home: though on my main computer I have a sound card wth hardware mixing, so I don't usually run into these issues. |
| 21:33.36 | jelly-home | the real question is, how you stop it from respawning back |
| 21:33.43 | jelly-home | n_np: "pactl exit" |
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| 21:34.56 | jelly-home | n_np: the answer to that question is "echo autospawn = no >> ~/.pulse/client.conf" (from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio/Log) |
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| 21:36.01 | woshty | why is there no debian-ports directory on ftp.debian.org, but there is on mirrors? |
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| 21:36.41 | n_np | jellyhome it still only lists pulseaudio server |
| 21:37.13 | frikinz_ | so my aptitude update keeps on wanting to install ~50 packages but I have no idea why. And neither does aptitude why <package>. How can this happen? I'm tired of using rdepends. |
| 21:37.52 | orudie | anyone here can assist me on installing openfire on Debian 6 ? |
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| 21:38.26 | frikinz_ | erff aptitude upgrade |
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| 21:38.43 | somiaj | frikinz_: what version of debian are you runing? |
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| 21:39.03 | stew | woshty: we only have the official arches on ftp.debian.org, the unoficial stuff is maintained on different infastructure |
| 21:39.17 | stew | woshty: and I'd discourage you from using ftp.debian.org anyway |
| 21:39.25 | arghx | !tell orudie about sicco |
| 21:39.29 | frikinz_ | somiaj: sid |
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| 21:39.49 | frikinz_ | somiaj: I'm surprised that aptitude why doesn't see a reason yet wants to install |
| 21:39.57 | n_np | jelly-home i did a killall on pulseaudio and it still lists the server |
| 21:40.00 | n_np | how do i kill the server? |
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| 21:40.35 | frikinz_ | I knew I shouldn't have install gnome-core, I'm infested |
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| 21:41.07 | somiaj | frikinz_: then it is to be expected as things change. but with sid you may have to hunt down the depends yourself. (: |
| 21:41.21 | n_np | aah its working now thanks |
| 21:41.24 | bobnn | I was reading about the hack of the kernel.org sites and saw a link about the Debian OpenSSL PRNG problem from 2008. So, question: Do Debian developers still mess with cryptographic code? |
| 21:42.01 | stew | bobnn: what do you mean by "mess with"? |
| 21:42.11 | konverguoju | which one do you guys think is better: cairo-compmgr or xcompmgr? and which one is more compatible with debian + openbox? |
| 21:42.39 | bobnn | Somebody at Debian editted part of the code aside from what would be needed for packaging. |
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| 21:43.07 | woshty | stew: I mainly use it for troubleshooting or if things seem to misbehave somehow. Is there a "source" of debian-ports? A central server? |
| 21:43.14 | stew | bobnn: yes. he did so after running the change by the openssl authors, and the openssl authors told him it would not make a negative impact and they encouraged him to make this change |
| 21:43.32 | stew | woshty: http://www.debian-ports.org/ |
| 21:43.47 | frikinz_ | somiaj: ok thanks. I wants to install 1GB of packages :) like celestia. funny :/ |
| 21:43.49 | bobnn | stew: Very interesting. |
| 21:44.38 | somiaj | frikinz_: do you have a large desktop enviorment installed? |
| 21:44.43 | bobnn | stew: but only Debian had the PRNG prob; OpenSSL didn't use the patch, I assume? |
| 21:44.44 | stew | bobnn: here is a openssl developer saying that it won't have much impact and he was in favor of the change: http://marc.info/?l=openssl-dev&m=114652287210110&w=2 |
| 21:45.01 | bobnn | Cool. I will read. Thanks stew. |
| 21:45.12 | frikinz_ | we didn't hear that much of the compromise of fedora key server. mistake happens but transparency afterwards is important |
| 21:45.18 | somiaj | frikinz_: you may want to uninstall the gnome meta-packages that pull in the complete desktop and just only use the pieces you actually want. |
| 21:45.46 | frikinz_ | somiaj: yes yes that's what I do but still it wants to install these. |
| 21:45.56 | bobnn | I have not been keeping track of much on the scene lately. |
| 21:46.03 | stew | bobnn: in this case, the general feeling from the debian developer community is that it was an honest but regrettable mistake. he did the right thing before making the change by admitting that he was worried about the impact, but was unsure about the impact, so he checked with the people that should know better than him |
| 21:46.22 | bobnn | I didn;t even know that there was a 3.2 kernel in the offing....d'oh. |
| 21:46.39 | woshty | stew: thx, could have guessed that :/ |
| 21:46.48 | stew | woshty: :) |
| 21:46.54 | somiaj | frikinz_: upgrade your packages in groups, until you figure out which one is pulling this in. I personally disable the recomended depends for apt/aptitude. But that is advised against. |
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| 21:47.45 | orudie | I used dpkg -r packagename to remove package, then dpkg -i package.deb to reinstall it and the start script is missing from /etc/init.d/ any ideas ? |
| 21:48.19 | stew | orudie: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 21:49.35 | bobnn | stew, I see. And the very next message in the thread is the right answer, too -DPURIFY |
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| 21:50.20 | frikinz_ | somiaj: ah bingo. that was it. purging gnome-core and then upgrading my 2 packages. while upgrading and at the same time purging gnome-core still kept the deps. I must have misunderstood aptitude way of working |
| 21:50.37 | kblessinggr | is there a way in aptitude to block certain packages from being updated to . For example if one were to install dotdeb strictly for php-fpm, how do I unmark/block mysql-server in dotdeb from being selected over debian's usual ones |
| 21:50.44 | frikinz_ | somiaj: thanks :) |
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| 21:50.46 | orudie | stew, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $openfire , and start script is still not there |
| 21:50.48 | stew | bobnn: unless i'm misunderstanding, that is the WRONG answer |
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| 21:51.02 | somiaj | frikinz_: yea I don't run desktop enviorments for that reason...find a good WM, you'll be better off in the long run </opinion> |
| 21:51.49 | arghx | kblessinggr: pinning. and dotdeb packages, no matter which will bite you |
| 21:51.56 | stew | orudie: then it might not be marked as a conffile. the package might be using ucf instead. you can check if dpkg -s packagename lists the init script as a conffile, you can also see if it is using ucf in the postinst script: /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.postinst |
| 21:51.59 | bobnn | stew - if I understand, building with that flag would stop the false purify complaint - but you would never do that for production use, only debuggung. |
| 21:52.06 | kblessinggr | arghx: I'm not familiar with 'pinning' |
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| 21:52.17 | arghx | !tell kblessinggr about pinning |
| 21:52.24 | kblessinggr | arghx: what would you suggest for php-fpm other than compiling from source? |
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| 21:52.43 | arghx | what does php-fpm do? |
| 21:52.43 | stew | bobnn: right, so its the wrong answer |
| 21:52.53 | kblessinggr | Php-Fpm = Fastcgi Process Manager |
| 21:53.06 | kblessinggr | it's what you use for webservers that aren't apache |
| 21:53.33 | takahiro | im having trouble getting my sprint broadband usb to work, there seems to only be drivers for Windows. any idea how to make it work in debian? |
| 21:53.36 | tuv | is there a debian-based ClearOS-like distribution? |
| 21:53.54 | Dulak | i prefer spawn-fcgi myself, you can use any php-cgi package with it, instead of having to compile it |
| 21:54.00 | jordanm | kblessinggr: there is nothing wrong with using php fcgi with apache |
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| 21:54.05 | bobnn | stew - if you only want to stop the purify complaint it sounds right - except it seems like you'd still get one for the non #IFNDEF'd statemtn. |
| 21:54.07 | kblessinggr | -fpm is superior to spawn-fcgi |
| 21:54.13 | arghx | kblessinggr: since php 5.3.3 it is in the php core. so are you sure squeeze doesn't have it? |
| 21:54.16 | kblessinggr | as can actually manage, respawn, etc the processes |
| 21:54.18 | jordanm | kblessinggr: especially is you need suexec (which idk if fpm can use) |
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| 21:54.28 | kblessinggr | arghx: I Can check but pretty sure it didn't |
| 21:54.31 | kblessinggr | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.32 | bobnn | stew, but I'm not a dveloper, so I'm acutalluy just bloaviating - my bad. |
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| 21:54.43 | arghx | kblessinggr: why not and why only in sid? |
| 21:54.46 | frikinz_ | somiaj: yes but I have other people using the PC. and on every machine reinstalling everything, automount, media keys, ... I'm lazy. I'm partially happy with gnome3 for once. just that it broke after a week :) |
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| 21:54.57 | kblessinggr | arghx: you tell me :P |
| 21:55.10 | arghx | kblessinggr: you make no sense |
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| 21:55.29 | kblessinggr | you're asking me why php-fpm isn't available in squeeze |
| 21:55.33 | kblessinggr | why would I know? |
| 21:55.46 | jordanm | ,versions php-fpm |
| 21:55.47 | judd | No package named 'php-fpm' was found in i386. |
| 21:55.53 | arghx | no, I asked what makes you think it's not in the version of php that ships with squeeze |
| 21:55.54 | takahiro | i feel so helpless without internet access |
| 21:55.54 | kblessinggr | nor php5-fpm |
| 21:55.56 | orudie | stew, it shows that /etc/init.d/openfire is a conf file |
| 21:56.04 | jelly-home | arghx: it's not. |
| 21:56.05 | jordanm | ,versions php5-fpm |
| 21:56.06 | judd | Package: php5-fpm on i386 -- sid: 5.3.8.0-1+b1; wheezy: 5.3.8.0-1+b1; experimental: 5.4.0~beta2-1 |
| 21:56.17 | arghx | jordanm: doesn't need to be. and php ships with it by default since 5.3.3 |
| 21:56.20 | kblessinggr | hence the reliance on dotdeb |
| 21:56.25 | jordanm | ,checkbackport php5-fpm |
| 21:56.26 | orudie | stew, http://paste.debian.net/146571/ |
| 21:56.29 | jelly-home | arghx: there's a distinct absence of that ABI in stable. |
| 21:56.31 | kblessinggr | arghx: 5.3.3 in source maybe... |
| 21:56.38 | judd | Backporting package php5-fpm in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, virtual. |
| 21:56.49 | jordanm | arghx: but it needs to be enabled through configure options and may produce binaries that are placed in a serpate package |
| 21:56.53 | jelly-home | arghx: it's... pining for the fyords. It's a non-package! |
| 21:57.06 | somiaj | frikinz_: well it is sid....hope you have lots of times to fix things. My suggestion is once you get thigns working, don't upgrade unitl you have time or need a new package. |
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| 21:57.43 | kblessinggr | going with sid or backports seems even worse than just using the php packages from dotdeb :P |
| 21:57.49 | stew | orudie: then i'd really expect --force-confmiss to replace it |
| 21:58.10 | valdyn | kblessinggr: whats wong with backports.org? why do you think its similar to using sid? |
| 21:58.13 | stew | kblessinggr: wow, no. especially not for a production server |
| 21:58.25 | jelly-home | kblessinggr: backports from backports.debian.org, were they to exist, would probably be of better quality then dotdeb product |
| 21:58.33 | jelly-home | than* |
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| 21:59.30 | kblessinggr | jelly-home: but doesn't look like php5-fpm is avail in squeeze's backports |
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| 21:59.59 | stew | kblessinggr: no, but you should be able to backport it trivially |
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| 22:00.34 | orudie | stew, anything i'm doing wrong in this line ? http://paste.debian.net/146572/ |
| 22:00.55 | kblessinggr | stew: then course brings the question of , if I were to backport it from sid, would the extensions install without trouble like with dotdeb (ie: later doing apt-get install php5-mysql shouldn't break it) |
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| 22:01.05 | valdyn | orudie: $openfire is not a package? |
| 22:01.09 | stew | orudie: oh, you want "openfire" not "$openfire" |
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| 22:01.53 | stew | orudie: and if you instaled with "dpkg -i packagename.deb" you want "dpkg -i --force-confmiss packagename.deb" |
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| 22:02.12 | jelly-home | kblessinggr: php5-mysql would be built alongside the rest, since it comes from the same source package |
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| 22:02.34 | stew | kblessinggr: i woulnd't expect installing php5-mysql from debian to break anything. i'd expect that installing stuff from dotdeb would break stuff |
| 22:02.48 | orudie | stew, http://paste.debian.net/146573/ |
| 22:03.26 | stew | orudie: yes, if this is a local package not from the repositories, you would use dpkg directly |
| 22:03.49 | jelly-home | stew: would he not have to use matching ABI packages and extensions. |
| 22:04.22 | kblessinggr | stew: was curious mainly cuz the extensions (ie: their configs for example) end up being placed in /etc/php5/fpm/conf.d/extensionname.ini |
| 22:04.26 | jelly-home | ie. backported php5-fpm and php5-mysql built at the same time from the same source anyway |
| 22:04.34 | orudie | stew, yeah its not from repos, so i'm not sure how to install this package.deb so that it will have the conf files and start scripts |
| 22:04.46 | kblessinggr | I've had situations in the past (I've only used backports back in lenny) where I couldn't install a package cuz it relied on somehting like php5-common |
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| 22:04.55 | stew | jelly-home: oh, i hadn't realized that php5-fpm was part of the php5 source package |
| 22:04.57 | kblessinggr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.03 | orudie | stew, when i initially installed it with dpkg -i openfire.x.x.deb it got everything installed properly |
| 22:05.11 | jelly-home | stew: it's a whole new ABI |
| 22:05.22 | stew | yeah, i see that now |
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| 22:05.26 | stew | orudie: and if you instaled with "dpkg -i packagename.deb" you want "dpkg -i --force-confmiss packagename.deb" |
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| 22:09.02 | kblessinggr | hrm, how do you even do sid backports on squeeze? doesn't seem like you can just change the name from squeeze-backports to sid-backports |
| 22:09.14 | somiaj | kblessinggr: /msg dpkg ssbp |
| 22:09.32 | stew | kblessinggr: /msg dpkg ssb ; however, i think that the best thing is probably just to stick with whatever is in squeeze |
| 22:09.39 | else | i'm having a severe problem with my harddrive spinning down: in about 400hours, is has spun down over 40000 times. disabling apm (hdparm -B 255) does not seem to help. any ideas? |
| 22:09.51 | kblessinggr | stew: :P which isn't an option cuz it doesn't exist in squeeze |
| 22:10.02 | stew | kblessinggr: is this going to be a production server? |
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| 22:10.15 | stew | kblessinggr: other alternatives exist in squeeze though, right? |
| 22:10.23 | kblessinggr | I'm just gona do dotdeb and pinning, since there's only 3 other packages other than php5-fpm to worry bout |
| 22:10.30 | kblessinggr | stew: no. |
| 22:10.46 | Dulak | kblessinggr: why? php5-fpm is in squeeze-backports |
| 22:10.49 | kblessinggr | alternative would be using apache with mod_php which I'm sure as hell not gona do |
| 22:10.49 | kblessinggr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.03 | kblessinggr | Dulak: not from what I did a look up o |
| 22:11.17 | kblessinggr | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=php5-fpm&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=squeeze-backports |
| 22:11.23 | stew | kblessinggr: my experiences with machines running dotdeb packagres have been poor |
| 22:11.27 | Dulak | aptitude -t squeeze-backports search php5-fpm |
| 22:11.40 | Dulak | p php5-fpm - server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language |
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| 22:11.50 | kblessinggr | stew: probably because most people don't know how to configure it well after the apt-get install phase |
| 22:12.01 | kblessinggr | Dulak: for some reason that didn't show up for me |
| 22:12.06 | stew | kblessinggr: no, because of segfaults |
| 22:12.07 | Dulak | mmm |
| 22:12.13 | stew | kblessinggr: and because they don't provide security patches |
| 22:12.23 | kblessinggr | Dulak: deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main is what I'm using |
| 22:12.28 | kblessinggr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.30 | kblessinggr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.42 | Dulak | Version: 5.3.8.0-1+b1 |
| 22:13.01 | Dulak | Yeah, not sure what you are doing wrong then, I'm seeing it in squeeze-backports no problem |
| 22:13.23 | kblessinggr | I added it to sources.list , apt-get update, and aptitude -t squeeze-backports search php5-fpm , that should so it |
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| 22:13.31 | Blackvel | cu |
| 22:13.44 | kblessinggr | and the website doesn't show it either, so its you who must have done something :p |
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| 22:14.04 | stew | wget -o/dev/null -O- "http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/squeeze-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2" | bzgrep php5-fpm |
| 22:14.11 | stew | says that it is not in squeeze backports |
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| 22:15.02 | Dulak | mmm, I'm getting a key expired error on squeeze-backports when I update, perhaps that's tied to it |
| 22:15.13 | bobnn | So stew, whatever the details - the process used (int the PRNG thing) broke. Has the process been changed? |
| 22:15.33 | stew | bobnn: i'm not aware of a process |
| 22:16.42 | stew | Dulak: i don't believe your command limits your search to squeeze backports, and if that version was coming from backports it woulc have bpo in the version string |
| 22:16.59 | stew | Dulak: check "apt-cache policy php5-fpm" to see where it is actually coming from |
| 22:17.24 | Dulak | Ahhh, I see it's dotdeb |
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| 22:17.45 | stew | bobnn: can you tell me what you mean by "the process used"? perhaps I'm misunderstanding something |
| 22:18.05 | Dulak | I have that pinned down lower than anything else so I don't install anything from there by accident |
| 22:18.21 | kblessinggr | Dulak: I think it figured it out instead of stable all at the end of the dot deb I Can just put stable php5 php5-pecl , and leave it at that |
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| 22:18.27 | stew | ugh, did dotdeb stop tagging their version strings with "dotdeb"? |
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| 22:18.40 | kblessinggr | stew: noep they still do it, annoying as hell |
| 22:18.55 | kblessinggr | well in the version strings |
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| 22:18.57 | stew | no, its not annoying |
| 22:18.57 | Dulak | All this time I've been using aptitude -t squeeze-backports and thought it was restricting the search |
| 22:18.58 | kblessinggr | but no other way of seeing it |
| 22:19.28 | Dulak | It's the unstable repo, I also have that pinned down |
| 22:19.47 | phorce1 | trying to correct some ownership issues for /var/www/ on a debian box that had backup files copied over with owners that didn't exist on the new machine. Can't remember if default should be "user:www-data" or "www-data:user" ... anyone? |
| 22:19.51 | Dulak | +b1 was from unstable, ~dotdeb.2 is from dotdeb |
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| 22:20.35 | bobnn | stew: "broken process" was 1) some debian guy wants to make change to openssl; 2) debian guy asks openssl-dev email list if this is OK; 3) somebody on email list says it's OK; 4) debian guy makes change. |
| 22:20.36 | kleanchap | I installed Chrome on my Debian system. How do I make iceweasel the default browser? |
| 22:21.11 | stew | bobnn: that is not a formal process. nor do I believe that the process is broken |
| 22:21.21 | Dulak | phorce1: it depends on how you want it to handle things, Myself I prefer the user own the directory so they can change group as they need |
| 22:22.02 | stew | phorce1: the www-data user/group should not own anything unless they really need to create/modify files (which is dangerous) |
| 22:22.14 | frikinz_ | myself have everything owned by root to minimize defacement :) |
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| 22:22.32 | dvs | kleanchap: update-alternatives --config www-browser |
| 22:22.36 | phorce1 | so, "root:user" |
| 22:22.40 | stew | phorce1: and when they do need to create/modify files/directories the www-data user/group should only be able to do this in a very limited set of directories |
| 22:23.37 | kleanchap | dvs, Thnx |
| 22:23.43 | dvs | np |
| 22:23.45 | bobnn | stew: I agree that it was not a formal process. And I call it "broken" because it had a poor outcome. Mistakes happen - g-d knows I make them them. I am just wondering if anything has been done to prevent a recurrence, at least with crypto code. For example: Something calling in the more expereinced people at OpenSSL |
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| 22:25.02 | stew | bobnn: no |
| 22:25.12 | phorce1 | trying to fix this is getting ugly. On my desktop it's all root:root but I'm making changes for testing there from a shell, not sftp |
| 22:25.17 | bobnn | stew: thanks you. |
| 22:25.27 | bobnn | thank ou, even. |
| 22:25.33 | stew | bobnn: there is not even anything in place to require him doing what he already do, which was exactly what you seem to be suggesting should happen |
| 22:25.41 | bobnn | arghh, my fingers are broke. |
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| 22:27.04 | phorce1 | back to google ... my eyes are bleeding now |
| 22:27.35 | dvs | get googles from google |
| 22:28.27 | xuser | Hi, do you guys know what can I use in windows to prepare a debian USB stick for the netinst.iso ? |
| 22:28.41 | dvs | xuser: rawrite i've heard |
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| 22:29.31 | xuser | dvs: Ok, I'll take a look |
| 22:30.22 | stew | bobnn: see this one as well: advogato.org/person/branden/diary/5.html |
| 22:30.26 | bobnn | stew: the debian developer did the right thing, but got the wrong answer. I concede that. |
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| 22:31.43 | stew | bobnn: well, reven if he hadn't done the right thing and just decided to make the change, there is no policy formal or informal that would have stopped him |
| 22:32.36 | stew | bobnn: the only formal auditing of source code happens when now packages are added to the archive, not when packages are changed. that audit is generally limited to spotting licensing/copyright problems and serious policy violations due to a lack of manpower |
| 22:33.14 | stew | bobnn: for someone with upload rights, they can upload whatever changes they want to a package. for someone without upload rights, the uploader *SHOULD* be making a full audit of changes |
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| 22:37.18 | bobnn | stew: re: avogado link: OMG. |
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| 22:53.07 | |^j0ng^Il | does anyone here play uqm (apt-get install uqm) |
| 22:53.12 | hydra_ | hi |
| 22:53.26 | hydra_ | anyone having problems installing VirtualBox ? |
| 22:53.27 | |^j0ng^Il | nope |
| 22:53.30 | cdahmedeh | not really |
| 22:53.37 | cdahmedeh | hydra_, what kind of problems do you have? |
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| 22:53.57 | hydra_ | it says I can't install the vboxdrv because I don't have the kernel sources |
| 22:53.59 | hydra_ | which I have |
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| 22:54.12 | hydra_ | I have installed them using aptitude install linux-sources- |
| 22:54.16 | hydra_ | also headers, etc. |
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| 22:54.53 | |^j0ng^Il | anyone here play ur-quan masters |
| 22:54.58 | cdahmedeh | nope |
| 22:55.04 | |^j0ng^Il | ok, how do I upgrade from WHEEZY which doesn't work to SID using the Debian netinstall CD |
| 22:55.17 | |^j0ng^Il | or do I have to do a complete reinstall from the cd |
| 22:55.21 | simonlnu | sid is not an upgrade |
| 22:55.22 | cdahmedeh | i don't think you should upgrade to sid unless you really know what you are doing |
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| 22:55.32 | simonlnu | why doesn't it work? |
| 22:55.34 | hydra_ | hi again, sorry |
| 22:55.39 | simonlnu | !doesn't work |
| 22:55.40 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 22:55.42 | hydra_ | any ideas about the VirtualBox ? |
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| 22:55.46 | cdahmedeh | there's instructions on installing unstable packages from sid while on a testing system |
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| 22:56.00 | |^j0ng^Il | if VirtualBox doesn't work, it means your version of debian is older than Lenny |
| 22:56.07 | cdahmedeh | |^j0ng^Il, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=15612 |
| 22:56.29 | hydra_ | the problem is that it doesn't load the driver |
| 22:56.29 | hydra_ | well |
| 22:56.29 | hydra_ | compile |
| 22:56.39 | |^j0ng^Il | Are they ever going to make it work |
| 22:56.41 | cdahmedeh | you're runninga debian as a guest hydra_ ? |
| 22:56.51 | cdahmedeh | |^j0ng^Il, i don't think it's supposed to work |
| 22:56.52 | |^j0ng^Il | Are they ever going to make nVidia legacy cards work |
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| 22:57.07 | cdahmedeh | |^j0ng^Il, don't they already work? |
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| 22:57.20 | simonlnu | loading and compiling are 2 different issues |
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| 22:57.46 | simonlnu | there's a log, read it |
| 22:57.58 | hydra_ | cdahmedeh: no, I'm in Gentoo |
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| 22:58.05 | hydra_ | I have my laptop with the problem ;) |
| 22:58.10 | |^j0ng^Il | I have a problem where my wheezy is locked up |
| 22:58.11 | supaplex | no you're in #debian |
| 22:58.17 | cdahmedeh | hydra_, you should ask in the #gentoo |
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| 22:58.20 | simonlnu | all we've gotten so far is "it doesn't compile" "please help me", effectively |
| 22:58.34 | cdahmedeh | pretty much |
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| 22:58.36 | hydra_ | cdahmedeh: no... I'm NOW using irssi in Gentoo, the problem is on my laptop |
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| 22:58.57 | Dougy | hi guys! i have a dell 860 with a drac 4/p.. i keep getting errors that it cant talk to the card.. are there some kind of ipmi modules other then ipmi_si to load? |
| 22:59.07 | hydra_ | simonlnu: no man, this is my problem Module build for the currently running kernel was skipped since the kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed. |
| 22:59.27 | hydra_ | but I have it on /usr/src |
| 22:59.38 | arghx | hydra_: you need the headers. not the source |
| 23:00.15 | hydra_ | I have headers and source arghx |
| 23:00.20 | simonlnu | and still OT for here. #gentoo is that way -> |
| 23:00.27 | Kull | I cant get htop 1.0, which was just released after 8 years of beta development. Says that libcurses is missing. It isnt. |
| 23:00.30 | simonlnu | ignore me... |
| 23:00.30 | cdahmedeh | any recommended reads for setting up encryption on debian? (i've correctly setup through the debian automated installer, but I want to know if there any quirks to take care of..) |
| 23:00.35 | hydra_ | simonlnu: the problem is not in GENTOO I have virtualbox working in Gentoo ! |
| 23:00.41 | Kull | I cant get htop to build* |
| 23:00.46 | simonlnu | yes, i just saw scrollback |
| 23:00.57 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions htop |
| 23:00.58 | judd | Package: htop on i386 -- lenny: 0.7-1; squeeze: 0.8.3-1; sid: 0.9-4; wheezy: 0.9-4 |
| 23:00.59 | hydra_ | simonlnu: ... |
| 23:01.02 | Kull | hydra_: what is the virtualbox problem? |
| 23:01.30 | arghx | hydra_: dpkg -l |grep linux- |
| 23:01.31 | Kull | judd: I clearly said JUST RELEASED. I didnt ask about which version was in which repos. Thanks for nothing, though. |
| 23:01.33 | judd | No package named 'clearly' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 23:01.57 | simonlnu | it won't compile. still no info. |
| 23:02.32 | hydra_ | Kull: cannot compile drivers |
| 23:02.41 | Kull | Which drivers? |
| 23:02.43 | hydra_ | arghx: seems installed, some versions appear |
| 23:02.47 | hydra_ | Kull: vboxdrv |
| 23:02.49 | arghx | hydra_: pastebin |
| 23:02.55 | hydra_ | ok, let me ssh |
| 23:03.05 | jhutchins_lt | Kull: Being sarcastic to the bot doesn't earn you much credibility. |
| 23:03.07 | Kull | as root, run /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup |
| 23:03.20 | Kull | jhutchins_lt: how the fark am I supposed to know it's a bot? |
| 23:03.29 | Kull | And using a bot to non-answer a question is stupid. |
| 23:03.31 | arghx | hydra_: please ignore Kull. better for your chances of success |
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| 23:03.46 | simonlnu | takes a step back and gets some popcorn |
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| 23:03.57 | jhutchins_lt | !beer simonlnu |
| 23:03.58 | dpkg | pulls out an excellent Yuengling Lager for simonlnu |
| 23:04.19 | arghx | Kull: your conduct is as well. you don't act like someone who has a problem who wants it to get solved. state your problem in a fashion that the channel can help you please |
| 23:04.29 | simonlnu | ty, juice for me |
| 23:04.32 | Kull | arghx: what the hell are you talking about? |
| 23:04.58 | arghx | < Kull> I cant get htop to build* is not a usable problem description. try again |
| 23:04.58 | jhutchins_lt | Kull: Could you try to be a bit more civil if you want help here? |
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| 23:05.23 | arghx | Kull: I suggest you install the -dev package for the missing library |
| 23:05.25 | hydra_ | supaplex: arghx trying to log in, ssh ignoring me |
| 23:05.35 | Kull | You people need to go outside, learn some social skills. /part |
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| 23:05.44 | Dulak | haha |
| 23:05.50 | arghx | !next |
| 23:05.51 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 23:06.08 | threadlock | cdahmedeh: if you got a laptop, blacklist firewire if you're not using it (that goes for even if you don't have builtin firewire, since you can connect get firewire through pcmcia/cardbus/expresscard) |
| 23:06.19 | threadlock | cdahmedeh: http://www.hermann-uwe.de/blog/physical-memory-attacks-via-firewire-dma-part-1-overview-and-mitigation |
| 23:06.49 | cdahmedeh | threadlock, thanks, i do recall reading about this, also is the hard drive locked with suspend? |
| 23:06.55 | cdahmedeh | suspend-to-ram* |
| 23:07.13 | hydra_ | arghx: http://pastebin.com/W22g4qF8 |
| 23:07.16 | hydra_ | thanks in advance |
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| 23:07.31 | hydra_ | I'm running 2.6.39.4 |
| 23:07.35 | supaplex | that's a good dpkg. good bot. |
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| 23:07.56 | jhutchins_lt | cdahmedeh: We haven't done manual hard drive locking since RLL drives. |
| 23:08.01 | arghx | hydra_: please go to #ubuntu. thank you |
| 23:08.14 | cdahmedeh | i mean password lock |
| 23:08.28 | cdahmedeh | will i have to unlock my harddrive with luks password after resume? |
| 23:08.34 | supaplex | gnaws off the tab key of the nearest hydra_ user |
| 23:08.53 | jhutchins_lt | cdahmedeh: tias |
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| 23:09.00 | supaplex | cdahmedeh: is swap inside luks? |
| 23:09.02 | hydra_ | arghx: it's actually backtrack, but you have any idea, debian should work the same way isn't it ? |
| 23:09.11 | arghx | !tell hydra_ about backtrack |
| 23:09.15 | cdahmedeh | supaplex, in my planned config, yes it is |
| 23:09.21 | cdahmedeh | but i'm talking about suspend-to-ram |
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| 23:09.39 | hydra_ | ok arghx thanks |
| 23:09.43 | supaplex | suspend to ram should act like laptop on battery. |
| 23:10.05 | cdahmedeh | so basically, no password locking... |
| 23:10.09 | supaplex | stashes swap inside luks. he's crazy that way. |
| 23:10.25 | threadlock | i actuallty don't know, i don't use suspend.. |
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| 23:12.47 | tharkun | Gentlemen what is the best option to merge two pdf files into one? |
| 23:13.35 | arghx | tharkun: apt-cache search pdf merge |
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| 23:14.25 | tharkun | arghx: :) where do i include the "the best option" part on that query? |
| 23:14.36 | cdahmedeh | thanks threadlock for that link |
| 23:14.54 | arghx | !tell tharkun about best |
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| 23:15.42 | tharkun | arghx: I do know the factoid, asking for the best option can and is usually interpreted as "Have you used one before and what do you think about it" |
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| 23:17.24 | arghx | tharkun: ah, so you're taking a poll. gotya. please ask dpkg about polls. |
| 23:17.37 | threadlock | cdahmedeh: i'm glad i found it too =) |
| 23:17.40 | streuner | tharkun: never used it, but apt-cache search pdf merge shows -> pdfsam |
| 23:17.50 | tharkun | arghx: Beeing a dork is neither good for you or for me thanks /ignore |
| 23:17.51 | streuner | dpkg, info pdfsam |
| 23:18.24 | dpkg | pdfsam: (PDF Split and Merge), section text, is optional. Version: 1.1.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 686 kB, Installed size: 864 kB |
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| 23:19.15 | tharkun | streuner: yes, i am between pdftk and pdfjam there is also psutils that could do the job with ps2pdf but since this will be in a server i am looking for the one with the smallest memory footprint |
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| 23:20.07 | streuner | tharkun: those are without GUI, it should be ok then? |
| 23:20.19 | tharkun | streuner: thanks |
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| 23:25.38 | dirkson | thewanderer1: Ok, I <3 debootstrap. Remind me again why we have a "real" installer? :D |
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| 23:27.14 | ompaul | there are many ways to skin a cat |
| 23:27.38 | Daviey | I can think of about 6. |
| 23:27.39 | ompaul | dirkson: and you can choose any method to install debian, they are all legit |
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| 23:29.52 | tharkun | streuner: fwiw pdftk and pdfjam both use java |
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| 23:30.40 | hanasaki | what would cause an kvm image that has worked fine for install and reboot then basic use to suddenly start saying "unaligned pointer" from grub on boot? its 6.03 |
| 23:30.44 | streuner | tharkun: why not just download the pdfs and merge them with your desktop system? |
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| 23:31.09 | petemc | tharkun: pdfjam doesnt |
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| 23:31.19 | hanasaki | |^j0ng^Il: do not priv msg me please |
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| 23:32.14 | tharkun | streuner: because it is part of a web app and lots of different people will be downloading this documents. I just can't let them download page by page. I need to serve full documents |
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| 23:36.11 | tharkun | hrmm ok it is pdfsam the one that also depends on java, sorry for the typo |
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| 23:36.39 | jhutchins_lt | !thinkpad |
| 23:36.40 | dpkg | [thinkpad] one of the best laptops you can buy, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman. Some models restrict MiniPCI card use, see http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_unauthorized_MiniPCI_network_card . See also <gobi>, <hdapsd>, <martian>, <mwavem>, <slmodem>, <synaptics>, <tpb>, <trackpoint>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad http://www.thinkwiki.org/ ##ibmthinkpad on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 23:41.03 | e20100633 | !gobi |
| 23:41.04 | dpkg | [gobi 2000] The Qualcomm Gobi 2000 is a Wireless Wide Area Network (WWAN) Mini PCIe adapter (USB IDs 05c6:9204, 05c6:9205), found in some Lenovo <ThinkPad> models. This device is supported in Debian kernel images by the qcserial driver since linux-2.6 2.6.32-16 (BTS #585661). Firmware is required (amss.mbn, apps.mbn, UQCN.mbn), ask me about <gobi-loader>. |
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| 23:43.09 | Dougy | anyone here have a drac 4/p dell sytem? 860, r200, etc.. running debian |
| 23:43.13 | Dougy | i need help before i honestly murder someone |
| 23:43.17 | Dougy | im going fing bat sh** here |
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| 23:44.03 | supaplex | Dougy: but will it blend? |
| 23:44.11 | Dougy | i dunno |
| 23:44.15 | Dougy | but i am about to slit a throat |
| 23:44.21 | Dougy | may just be my own at this point |
| 23:44.41 | supaplex | is the perc in a dell machine? |
| 23:44.53 | supaplex | aka dell server, or, something else alltogether? |
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| 23:45.14 | Dougy | it's a drac 4/p in a dell poweredge 860 ii |
| 23:45.23 | Dougy | RAC not detected etc etc etc |
| 23:45.26 | Dougy | i can't freaking ifgure it out |
| 23:45.50 | Dougy | i have now literally wasted 6 hours on this and now have chest pain from it |
| 23:45.50 | supaplex | last time i had a perc5/i issue, I emailed debian-isp |
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| 23:46.32 | supaplex | you could email what you know, and put it on hold right? don't take it out on yourself. :) |
| 23:46.37 | Dougy | no |
| 23:46.40 | Dougy | it has to be done within 30 minutes now |
| 23:46.41 | Dougy | i'm out of time |
| 23:48.12 | Dougy | FUCK |
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| 23:49.05 | supaplex | rac? as in drac? aren't those seperate? |
| 23:49.08 | Dougy | yes |
| 23:49.10 | Dougy | it's an addon card |
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| 23:50.07 | ChrisPartridge | drac is a remote management card iirc |
| 23:50.10 | Dougy | yes |
| 23:50.12 | Dougy | kvm over ip |
| 23:50.16 | Dougy | that's what i am trying to fix |
| 23:50.21 | ChrisPartridge | whats the issue |
| 23:50.23 | Dougy | going to get my nuts chopped off with a clever |
| 23:50.30 | Dougy | racadm can't connect to the cardd, says it's not presesnt |
| 23:50.33 | Dougy | ipmitool detects it, lspci has it |
| 23:51.31 | supaplex | what's the literal unmodfied error message? what'd google say? would it be worth paying dell for support? (it sounds distractic...) |
| 23:51.52 | ChrisPartridge | whats the output from lspci? |
| 23:52.43 | Dougy | hmm i have it somewhere in here |
| 23:52.51 | Dougy | ERROR: Unable to communicate with RAC controller. Please make sure that a RAC |
| 23:52.55 | Dougy | controller is present in the server and appropriate software is installed. |
| 23:53.39 | supaplex | how do you get that error? before the os boots? |
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| 23:54.21 | Dougy | no supaplex when i try to run 'racadm4' |
| 23:54.24 | Dougy | the management util inside debian |
| 23:54.29 | Dougy | head pop |
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| 23:55.57 | supaplex | try strace - looks the same as http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/2008-November/037955.html |
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| 23:57.01 | supaplex | only 3900 hits for https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=racadm+racsvc |
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| 23:58.09 | supaplex | looks relevant to debian, http://www.uta.fi/~pauli.borodulin/dellomsa/omsa44.html |
| 23:58.32 | supaplex | maybe it's in the non-free repos (at worst+by chance) |
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