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| 00:07.42 | Dougy | -.- |
| 00:07.57 | Dougy | 23:57 < supaplex> only 3900 hits for https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=racadm+racsvc |
| 00:08.00 | Dougy | its rough |
| 00:08.01 | Dougy | < supaplex> try strace - looks the same as http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/2008-November/037955.html |
| 00:08.04 | Dougy | checking |
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| 00:09.17 | Dougy | supaplex: http://paste2.org/p/1789527 |
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| 00:15.04 | magyar | mozilla.debian.net has expired pgp? |
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| 00:15.53 | acu_ | Hello - can I do a quick survery - I want to know - however can/want to answer - how much percent you use GUI or CLI - and which one - e.g. 30% CLI -- 60 %GNOME 9% KDE and 2% Windows - or whatever LXDE ? |
| 00:16.10 | dvs | !polls |
| 00:16.11 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 00:16.24 | nkuttler | !tell acu_ about popcon |
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| 00:17.47 | magyar | fudge |
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| 00:19.04 | Dougy | oh well |
| 00:19.07 | Dougy | i think im going to get fired tongiht |
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| 00:19.10 | tharkun | If i upgrade postgresql 8.4 to 9.0 on debian squeeze do i need to do any special stuff? |
| 00:19.58 | supaplex | Dougy: sounds like that daemon's not running |
| 00:20.04 | Dougy | hrm |
| 00:20.16 | Dougy | i need to start racsvc on th right ty |
| 00:20.19 | Dougy | tty |
| 00:20.25 | Dougy | but i tried all 3 of them and no dice.. |
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| 00:20.42 | Dougy | ttyS0 = serial port, 1 2 and 3 are no good |
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| 00:21.03 | supaplex | is the service running? my perc5/i's are still in a package waiting for their awesomeness to be unleashed. |
| 00:21.42 | Dougy | if i run it in the foreground |
| 00:21.44 | Dougy | all i get is 2060382439 ERROR: [LinuxSerialInte] File: ../racsw4_src/rac_messagehandler/src/linux/serial_driver.cpp, Line 401 - Failed write operation! |
| 00:22.52 | supaplex | is that from a shell script or an elf? |
| 00:23.01 | Dougy | sorry, my linux fu has gone to turd |
| 00:23.03 | Dougy | difference? |
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| 00:23.11 | supaplex | file -k <that> |
| 00:23.38 | Dougy | it returns: /opt/dell/srvadmin/sbin/racsvc: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, stripped |
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| 00:24.00 | supaplex | running selinux? strace -e open -fF racsvc |
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| 00:24.20 | supaplex | humm serial... gotta be /dev/ttyS* |
| 00:24.30 | Dougy | tried 1,2,3 |
| 00:24.33 | Dougy | 0 is onbaord serial port |
| 00:24.35 | Dougy | thats alll there is |
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| 00:24.54 | supaplex | it says failed write. strace may tell more |
| 00:25.01 | supaplex | !strace |
| 00:25.02 | dpkg | methinks strace is a system call tracing utility or a way to produce lots and lots of cryptic text. Most usefully called with something like "strace -f -F -e open -o logfile program_you_want_to_monitor" (-e open just monitors opened files - omit this option or consult the manpage for alternatives if you want to monitor anything else) |
| 00:25.18 | Dougy | strace which? the daemon start or the client |
| 00:25.25 | supaplex | daemon start |
| 00:25.32 | Dougy | open("/var/run/.dracsvc", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory |
| 00:25.34 | Dougy | seems like that may be it |
| 00:25.41 | acu_ | nkuttler: thanks for the pointer - however still does not answer my question - why - because people can have both KDE and GNOME installed - you can't tell which one they use predominantely - and CLI is on both of them, it seem that this kind of info can be gathered only live :) |
| 00:25.45 | Dougy | only error there is |
| 00:25.47 | supaplex | pastebin the log |
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| 00:26.00 | Dougy | http://paste2.org/p/1789536 |
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| 00:26.02 | supaplex | nawe, it said serial. /var/run isn't it. |
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| 00:26.47 | supaplex | ls -l /dev/ttyS2 |
| 00:27.02 | Dougy | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.06 | Dougy | ttys2 is default |
| 00:27.23 | supaplex | have screen installed? |
| 00:27.28 | Dougy | yes |
| 00:27.34 | supaplex | screen /dev/ttyS2 9600,n,8,1 |
| 00:27.48 | Dougy | Sorry, could not find a PTY. |
| 00:27.55 | Dougy | and terminated |
| 00:28.02 | supaplex | o.O |
| 00:28.05 | Dougy | '/dev/ttyS2' is not a tty, then that, then died |
| 00:28.28 | supaplex | try 1 and 3 |
| 00:28.39 | Dougy | 1 didnt throw it |
| 00:28.51 | Dougy | 3 also did |
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| 00:28.57 | supaplex | sounds like a real serial port. does it interact? |
| 00:28.57 | Dougy | so only 1 didnt throw it |
| 00:29.04 | Dougy | best way to test? |
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| 00:29.11 | supaplex | press enter a few times. |
| 00:29.20 | Dougy | nope nothin |
| 00:29.24 | supaplex | no idea what protocol is suppose to be there, or what it's connected to.. |
| 00:30.04 | Dougy | if i try ttyS1 instead of 2 for the racsvc |
| 00:30.05 | supaplex | is there two serial ports physically on the server? or is one of them hiding on the drac or perc? I've never heard of that... |
| 00:30.07 | Dougy | it throws redhat errors, sigh |
| 00:30.15 | Dougy | iirc, it only has 1. in the rear. |
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| 00:30.35 | Dougy | http://paste2.org/p/1789538 |
| 00:31.21 | supaplex | I wonder what that service does with the serial port, or why it needs one. maybe it takes over ttyS0? |
| 00:31.29 | Dougy | i cant imagine it would |
| 00:31.33 | Dougy | sounds preposterous |
| 00:31.36 | supaplex | it'd have to kick getty out of the way. |
| 00:31.55 | Dougy | woah |
| 00:31.57 | Dougy | i think its wroking |
| 00:32.05 | Dougy | oh my god |
| 00:32.08 | Dougy | its wroking on ttyS1 |
| 00:32.14 | Dougy | root@srv2:~# racadm4 racdump |
| 00:32.14 | Dougy | The RAC is currently being reset. Please retry again later. |
| 00:32.17 | Dougy | if this works im going to kiss you |
| 00:32.23 | Dougy | it didnt work and i tried 1 before.. |
| 00:32.28 | supaplex | #23 is a probe to figure out what distro it is |
| 00:32.40 | supaplex | line23 last paste |
| 00:33.22 | Dougy | hrm? |
| 00:33.37 | supaplex | if (redhat) ... if (suse) ... |
| 00:33.43 | Dougy | yeah i saw that |
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| 00:34.06 | Dougy | and now it stopped working |
| 00:34.16 | Dougy | just as it started working properly, it dies |
| 00:34.18 | Dougy | weak |
| 00:34.49 | Dougy | http://paste2.org/p/1789541 |
| 00:34.50 | Dougy | interesting |
| 00:34.53 | supaplex | try again with strace -fF -o isweak.txt racsvc until it dies, and comb through the log. |
| 00:36.19 | Dougy | yeah, i restarted service and it worked.. going to try and flash it.. |
| 00:36.19 | Dougy | lol |
| 00:36.27 | supaplex | :P |
| 00:37.02 | supaplex | http://xkcd.com/979/ |
| 00:37.18 | Dougy | root@srv2:~# racadm4 fwupdate -u -s firmimg.dm1 |
| 00:37.19 | Dougy | 0x0 FWUPD_STATUS_OK fwupdate completed successfully |
| 00:37.23 | Dougy | err woops paste |
| 00:37.57 | Dougy | factory reset was a success i think |
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| 00:40.13 | supaplex | Dougy: did you see the xkcd? |
| 00:41.44 | Dougy | negative |
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| 00:41.50 | Dougy | i was fiddling to get drac alive |
| 00:41.57 | Dougy | i could seriously kiss you right now and i'm not even gay |
| 00:42.01 | Dougy | thank yo so muc |
| 00:42.01 | Dougy | h |
| 00:42.26 | supaplex | np |
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| 00:44.19 | Dougy | supaplex: checking xkcd now |
| 00:44.33 | Dougy | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 00:44.53 | supaplex | I thought you'd like that |
| 00:45.01 | Dougy | supaplex: you just got a laugh out of a guy who broke a finger about an hour ago punching out a window |
| 00:45.09 | LaptopBrain | |^j0ng^Il if you send me that onjoin message one more time im going to shove it up your arse on the end of a red hot poker |
| 00:45.10 | Dougy | now its time to go get that taken care of |
| 00:45.12 | LaptopBrain | now turn it off. |
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| 00:45.20 | Dougy | LaptopBrain: |
| 00:45.26 | Dougy | are you the same LaptopBrain from chatspike |
| 00:45.29 | LaptopBrain | yes |
| 00:45.31 | Dougy | woah |
| 00:45.36 | Dougy | i haven't talked to you in at least a year or two now |
| 00:45.38 | Dougy | how have you been |
| 00:45.46 | LaptopBrain | im good thanks and you? |
| 00:45.53 | streuner | LaptopBrain: prolly a bot, try !ops <nick> is a bot |
| 00:46.14 | LaptopBrain | !ops |^j0ng^Il is a bot |
| 00:46.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: laptopbrain complains about: |^j0ng^Il is a bot |
| 00:46.16 | LaptopBrain | there :p |
| 00:46.26 | karlpinc | #debian-offtopic guys? |
| 00:46.28 | Dougy | i am doing ok |
| 00:46.31 | LaptopBrain | Dougy: pm |
| 00:46.34 | Dougy | sure thing |
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| 00:48.13 | LaptopBrain | thanks peterS |
| 00:48.27 | peterS | no problem |
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| 00:53.04 | Dougy | welcome bacack LaptopBrain |
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| 01:07.58 | streuner | Hydroxide: what kind of quit message is that? :-) |
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| 01:08.24 | streuner | (Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number) |
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| 01:10.57 | gnarface | i need help with ldap :( |
| 01:11.00 | gnarface | openldap |
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| 01:11.49 | twchr | which shell should I set when creating acc for ssh tunnel user if I want the user not to be able to execute any commands? |
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| 01:17.01 | phogg | twchr: what |
| 01:17.15 | phogg | twchr: er, what's the point of ssh if you can't do anything once connected? |
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| 01:17.40 | twchr | ssh tunnel |
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| 01:18.48 | bookmark | hiya |
| 01:19.41 | bookmark | i installed an nvidia graphics card and my nvidia drivers stopped working, ( prior to the card i had onboard nvidia on the motherboard ) |
| 01:20.07 | bookmark | i am wondering if anyone knows why nvidia drivers would work for the built in but not for the pci express card |
| 01:20.20 | bookmark | built-in |
| 01:20.59 | bookmark | i tried running nvidia-xconfig |
| 01:21.03 | bookmark | it didnt' help |
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| 01:25.07 | Artemis3 | bookmark, see if your xorg.conf has the busid defined eg PCI:1:0:0 and compare with lspci |
| 01:25.09 | langkid1 | hey |
| 01:25.52 | langkid1 | in a .sh file, what do I put in it to have it go to the beginning of the commands listed in the file? (so it'll loop if the program running dies) |
| 01:27.15 | Artemis3 | langkid1 http://bash.cyberciti.biz/guide/Infinite_while_loop |
| 01:28.10 | peterrooney | langkid1: (a) what are you -really- trying to do, (b) I don't know, maybe exec $0 ? |
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| 01:29.17 | langkid1 | peterrooney, I'm trying to run a Minecraft server, but it keeps dying for no reason whatsoever, I run it from a .sh file so I want to know if I can have it start over again when the server stops |
| 01:29.26 | bikcmp | langkid1: it's java, isn't it |
| 01:29.30 | langkid1 | yesss |
| 01:29.31 | bikcmp | langkid1: i bet i know why it's dying. |
| 01:29.40 | langkid1 | it just prints '>Killed' |
| 01:29.44 | bikcmp | langkid1: how much ram do you have? |
| 01:29.50 | langkid1 | 1/2GB |
| 01:29.54 | bikcmp | and how much is in use? |
| 01:29.59 | bikcmp | langkid1: how much swap do you have? |
| 01:30.03 | langkid1 | 98.00% |
| 01:30.10 | langkid1 | I think, it's the same as my RAM |
| 01:30.11 | bikcmp | 98.00% swap? |
| 01:30.11 | bikcmp | lol |
| 01:30.18 | Artemis3 | ouch |
| 01:30.19 | bikcmp | langkid1: apt-get install htop; htop |
| 01:30.22 | bookmark | how can i make dpkg list every package? |
| 01:30.29 | bikcmp | bookmark: are you sure you want that? |
| 01:30.30 | bookmark | installed on my system |
| 01:30.31 | Artemis3 | dpkg -l |
| 01:30.31 | dpkg | Files in package artemis3-pr0n: /srv/artemis3-pr0n/artemis3.jpg |
| 01:31.00 | bikcmp | langkid1: what does htop say? |
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| 01:31.26 | langkid1 | too much data... |
| 01:31.34 | bikcmp | at the top right. |
| 01:31.40 | bikcmp | left. |
| 01:31.58 | bikcmp | should have 'mem x/ymb, swp x/ymb' |
| 01:32.16 | Artemis3 | saidar is also nice to see those things... but whatever happened to free? |
| 01:32.29 | langkid1 | swap is 511MB |
| 01:32.39 | bikcmp | langkid1: how much in use? |
| 01:32.45 | bikcmp | Artemis3: you could do that too |
| 01:32.55 | langkid1 | well the server died too |
| 01:33.00 | bikcmp | Artemis3: i figured htop would be the best for him though, so he can see |
| 01:33.07 | bikcmp | langkid1: how much in use? |
| 01:33.16 | Artemis3 | htop is nice yes |
| 01:33.18 | langkid1 | RAM: 371/496MB |
| 01:33.28 | bikcmp | and swap? |
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| 01:33.36 | bikcmp | is pulling teeth here. |
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| 01:33.43 | Artemis3 | thats so little ram for a java hungry app |
| 01:33.54 | bikcmp | Artemis3: if he has a ton of swap he's fine |
| 01:34.01 | peterrooney | langkid1: but what if you _want_ to stop the server? first approximation, I would try "while ! minecraftd ; do : ; done" |
| 01:34.02 | bikcmp | Artemis3: it doesn't look like he does though |
| 01:34.09 | bikcmp | which is why it's being killed |
| 01:34.15 | bikcmp | i had that problem with another java app too |
| 01:34.18 | bikcmp | added a /bunch/ of swap |
| 01:34.21 | langkid1 | peterrooney, there's no minecraft daemon |
| 01:34.33 | bikcmp | langkid1: can you answer my question so i can help you? |
| 01:34.39 | langkid1 | getting swap |
| 01:34.40 | peterrooney | well, whatever the program is called |
| 01:34.49 | langkid1 | 240/511MB |
| 01:34.51 | langkid1 | it's called java ;P |
| 01:35.00 | bikcmp | ok |
| 01:35.06 | bikcmp | langkid1: add a lot of swap. |
| 01:35.08 | bookmark | hmm |
| 01:35.09 | langkid1 | can not |
| 01:35.13 | langkid1 | my host is a douche |
| 01:35.18 | bikcmp | don't tell me it's an openvz host. |
| 01:35.19 | langkid1 | he's given me death threats |
| 01:35.25 | langkid1 | it's a Xen host |
| 01:35.29 | bikcmp | then add swap. |
| 01:35.32 | langkid1 | HOW? |
| 01:35.44 | langkid1 | they use the SolusVM |
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| 01:36.43 | bikcmp | langkid1: http://tinyurl.com/7whlbkk |
| 01:37.08 | langkid1 | ... |
| 01:37.11 | langkid1 | lmgtfy |
| 01:37.18 | bikcmp | langkid1: yes |
| 01:37.21 | bikcmp | "add swap debian" |
| 01:37.24 | bikcmp | :P |
| 01:37.52 | bikcmp | do this, though: http://javier.rodriguez.org.mx/index.php/2006/07/19/add-swap-space-to-linux |
| 01:37.55 | bikcmp | i've used that before. |
| 01:38.05 | langkid1 | but, I don't hate time to reboot my system |
| 01:38.15 | Artemis3 | hmm if you have 2 HDs, and they have their own irq or are sata, you can simply have swap partitions on each |
| 01:38.33 | bikcmp | langkid1: can you just read the page? |
| 01:38.37 | langkid1 | yes |
| 01:38.39 | bikcmp | you don't need to reboot. |
| 01:38.46 | langkid1 | Artemis3, my HDDs are virtual |
| 01:39.02 | langkid1 | aka, only one :p |
| 01:39.07 | bikcmp | langkid1: have you read it? |
| 01:39.09 | Artemis3 | ok thats a virtual machine? |
| 01:39.12 | bikcmp | :P |
| 01:39.15 | langkid1 | i'm working on it |
| 01:39.17 | langkid1 | Artemis3, yeah |
| 01:39.25 | Artemis3 | be nice and assign more ram to it... |
| 01:39.26 | bikcmp | Artemis3: it's xen though, so it's paravirtualized |
| 01:39.37 | langkid1 | is lucky his host gave him his 1/2GB RAM |
| 01:39.44 | langkid1 | Artemis3, I can ask my host but he'll want more moneys |
| 01:39.51 | Artemis3 | oops |
| 01:39.54 | bikcmp | langkid1: how much do you pay/month? |
| 01:39.56 | bikcmp | :P |
| 01:39.58 | langkid1 | $0 |
| 01:40.02 | bikcmp | oh |
| 01:40.04 | bikcmp | in that case :p |
| 01:40.17 | bikcmp | langkid1: lucky. :p |
| 01:40.19 | langkid1 | I get it for free because his host PhoenixNAT lost all his data by touching a LVS |
| 01:40.49 | bikcmp | i see |
| 01:41.01 | Artemis3 | well either add a swap file or resize your swap partition |
| 01:41.23 | bikcmp | swap file is easiest/least dangerous |
| 01:41.29 | bikcmp | i wouldn't touch partitions |
| 01:41.34 | Artemis3 | its virtual :P |
| 01:41.49 | bikcmp | shrugs |
| 01:41.55 | bikcmp | solusvm lets you do that? |
| 01:42.01 | bikcmp | i wouldn't hop into fdisk and toy around, really |
| 01:42.06 | Artemis3 | hehehe should be the same add a swap file and be done |
| 01:42.24 | bikcmp | essentially they're probably going to be the same |
| 01:42.24 | Artemis3 | not fdisk, i was thinking more of parted |
| 01:42.35 | bikcmp | oh right |
| 01:42.46 | bikcmp | shrugs |
| 01:42.51 | bikcmp | i usually hate touching partitions. |
| 01:43.07 | langkid1 | no, SolusVM can't even edit rDNS |
| 01:43.15 | langkid1 | because my host couldn't figure out how |
| 01:43.17 | bikcmp | langkid1: rdns can be weird |
| 01:43.22 | Artemis3 | doesnt matter, make a regular swap file |
| 01:43.24 | langkid1 | he can set rDNS but Solus can't |
| 01:43.30 | langkid1 | Artemis3, what about the current one? |
| 01:43.32 | bikcmp | i'd seriously suggest you use a more competant host if you're going to pay for it |
| 01:43.33 | bikcmp | :P |
| 01:43.40 | bikcmp | but you don't, so it's ok |
| 01:43.45 | Artemis3 | you could swapoff it you want |
| 01:44.00 | Artemis3 | if its a partition, just ignore it it will add to it |
| 01:44.25 | langkid1 | bikcmp, uh, I tried adding swap with your site, it no work |
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| 01:44.46 | bikcmp | langkid1: define no work |
| 01:44.51 | bikcmp | where did it fail at? |
| 01:44.57 | bikcmp | what was the last command you executed? |
| 01:45.00 | langkid1 | uihh |
| 01:45.03 | langkid1 | I just copy/pasted :P |
| 01:45.08 | bikcmp | sigh |
| 01:45.30 | bikcmp | did you modifing fstab |
| 01:45.39 | bikcmp | if you have no idea what fstab is, you didn't |
| 01:46.09 | thisthat | GET THE WHIP |
| 01:46.14 | Artemis3 | langkid1, http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-add-a-swap-file-howto/ |
| 01:46.14 | bikcmp | thisthat: ikr. |
| 01:46.15 | langkid1 | the dd part |
| 01:46.23 | bikcmp | Artemis3: let's just try to do this tutorial |
| 01:46.26 | bikcmp | and stay on this one |
| 01:46.30 | bikcmp | he obviously didn't read. |
| 01:46.32 | Artemis3 | simpler? it makes the swapfile in / :3 |
| 01:46.34 | bikcmp | langkid1: what failed? |
| 01:46.37 | langkid1 | dd |
| 01:46.41 | bikcmp | how? |
| 01:46.42 | langkid1 | dd if=/dev/zero of=/var/swap/01.swp bs=1024 count=2M |
| 01:46.45 | bikcmp | paste the message. |
| 01:46.49 | bikcmp | yes, what did it return. |
| 01:46.50 | langkid1 | dd: invalid number `' |
| 01:47.06 | bikcmp | are you sure you pasted that exactly? |
| 01:47.08 | langkid1 | whoops |
| 01:47.12 | langkid1 | there was a space in there |
| 01:47.13 | bikcmp | didn't think so |
| 01:47.15 | bikcmp | yeah. |
| 01:47.16 | bikcmp | :P |
| 01:47.17 | Artemis3 | lol |
| 01:47.21 | thisthat | FOOLISH MORTAL |
| 01:47.28 | bikcmp | thisthat: are you an op? i'd like to kick langkid1 |
| 01:47.35 | bikcmp | i mean if it doesn't bother you... |
| 01:47.45 | thisthat | YE SHALL BE SPARED THIS TIME, no im not an op lol |
| 01:47.51 | bikcmp | :-( |
| 01:47.58 | bikcmp | pretends to kick langkid1 |
| 01:49.02 | langkid1 | -bash: /var/swap/01.swp: cannot execute binary file |
| 01:49.24 | bikcmp | what the fuck are you doing. |
| 01:49.30 | Artemis3 | lol |
| 01:49.33 | langkid1 | /var/swap/01.swp none swap sw 0 0 |
| 01:49.36 | bikcmp | . |
| 01:49.37 | langkid1 | your tut told me to! |
| 01:49.40 | bikcmp | langkid1: read it, please. |
| 01:49.41 | Artemis3 | EXECUTE him :3 |
| 01:49.46 | bikcmp | there's a BIG THING IN THERE you're missing. |
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| 01:50.12 | langkid1 | ??? |
| 01:50.18 | bikcmp | langkid1: please fucking read. |
| 01:50.23 | bikcmp | Now add this newly created swap space to your /etc/fstab: |
| 01:50.27 | bikcmp | read ^ |
| 01:50.27 | bikcmp | :P |
| 01:50.40 | langkid1 | ???? |
| 01:50.47 | bikcmp | frowns at Artemis3 |
| 01:50.49 | langkid1 | wut fstap? |
| 01:50.50 | Artemis3 | your guide has too many letters, hurts brain :) |
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| 01:51.03 | langkid1 | slams head on table |
| 01:51.10 | bikcmp | kills thisthat |
| 01:51.10 | Sunshine | Hi, |
| 01:51.15 | bikcmp | langkid1: do you know how to edit a text file via the cli? |
| 01:51.22 | langkid1 | I know how to using nano |
| 01:51.33 | bikcmp | you don't knowing how to grammar |
| 01:51.33 | bikcmp | :P |
| 01:51.36 | bikcmp | langkid1: anyway. |
| 01:51.41 | bikcmp | ok, let's take this one step at a time |
| 01:51.49 | bikcmp | "add this" "to /etc/fstab" |
| 01:51.56 | bikcmp | what does that mean? |
| 01:51.58 | langkid1 | laughs hysterically |
| 01:52.04 | langkid1 | uh, to do that code under it? |
| 01:52.11 | bikcmp | cries. |
| 01:52.13 | yagoo | lol |
| 01:52.18 | yagoo | code in /etc/fstab? LOL |
| 01:52.23 | bikcmp | yagoo: want to take over? thanks |
| 01:52.24 | bikcmp | :P |
| 01:52.26 | yagoo | yeah I do C++ in /etc/fstab |
| 01:52.27 | yagoo | lol |
| 01:52.32 | bikcmp | langkid1: ok. |
| 01:52.33 | yagoo | nah |
| 01:52.41 | bikcmp | langkid1: i think the tutorial is trying to get you to add something to a tet file. |
| 01:52.43 | bikcmp | text file. |
| 01:52.43 | langkid1 | to do the code UNDER the text "add this" "to /etc/fstab" |
| 01:52.45 | Artemis3 | try not to add the words "add this" at the end of the file plz ^^ |
| 01:52.51 | stew | langkid1: count=2M is no good, that should be the number of blocks |
| 01:52.55 | stew | langkid1: in your dd command |
| 01:53.04 | bikcmp | wait, he did 2M? |
| 01:53.05 | langkid1 | stew, too late it already worked |
| 01:53.07 | bikcmp | what |
| 01:53.15 | Artemis3 | magic! |
| 01:53.16 | bikcmp | the fuck you doing |
| 01:53.17 | langkid1 | the tut told me to! |
| 01:53.21 | yagoo | count=2M lol wtf |
| 01:53.28 | bikcmp | i ive up |
| 01:53.34 | yagoo | thinks there's too many f's here |
| 01:53.34 | bikcmp | i hate my keyboard. |
| 01:53.35 | langkid1 | bikcmp, I follow things to the letter |
| 01:53.46 | bikcmp | langkid1: perhaps too much |
| 01:53.52 | bikcmp | langkid1: ok, so now |
| 01:54.00 | bikcmp | it wants you to add some stuff to /etc/fstab. |
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| 01:54.07 | langkid1 | please, this'll go much better if you just paste the code to run |
| 01:54.21 | bikcmp | ... you don't run anything |
| 01:54.26 | bikcmp | langkid1: ok, open /etc/fstab. |
| 01:54.31 | bikcmp | paste this in, like it says. |
| 01:54.33 | bikcmp | /var/swap/01.swp none swap sw 0 0 |
| 01:54.35 | bikcmp | save it. |
| 01:54.37 | bikcmp | :D |
| 01:54.46 | langkid1 | -bash: cd: /etc/fstab: Not a directory |
| 01:54.48 | thisthat | hopefully you are doing this on a test machine |
| 01:54.49 | bikcmp | . |
| 01:54.54 | yagoo | pllpflfff |
| 01:55.04 | bikcmp | god give me the power to help this young soul |
| 01:55.08 | yagoo | langkid1, time to go home |
| 01:55.09 | Artemis3 | see? he needs to be told "nano /etc/fstab" |
| 01:55.10 | bikcmp | langkid1: it's a text file. |
| 01:55.11 | stew | langkid1: run "editor /etc/fstab" then add the /var/swap line to that file |
| 01:55.22 | thisthat | delete fstab and replace it with ascii art |
| 01:55.33 | Artemis3 | yayy |
| 01:55.35 | FarmerD | I would like to set my debian machines to sleep at a certain time, which is easy with crontab shutdown command, but how can I tell them to wake at a given time? |
| 01:55.46 | thisthat | actually that might have different results than you are seeking |
| 01:55.53 | yagoo | suggests Nick Burns for langkid1 |
| 01:55.54 | FarmerD | would be easy if perhaps I had one machine running all the time issue wol commands |
| 01:56.02 | bikcmp | thisthat: don't say that, he'll do it |
| 01:56.03 | bikcmp | oh god |
| 01:56.07 | langkid1 | done |
| 01:56.13 | Artemis3 | FarmerD, yes i think you need a powered machine to send the wol commands |
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| 01:56.24 | langkid1 | looks at his ASCII artr |
| 01:56.27 | langkid1 | looks at his ASCII art* |
| 01:56.42 | langkid1 | looks at thisthat, decides not to paste |
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| 01:56.59 | langkid1 | bikcmp, so I added that line to fstab, WUT NOW? |
| 01:57.03 | FarmerD | yes I believe that is what I will do |
| 01:57.15 | FarmerD | I would prefer them all down but if I cant, then so be it |
| 01:57.23 | Artemis3 | langkid1, profit? |
| 01:57.27 | stew | FarmerD: some bios will let you set a wake time |
| 01:57.29 | langkid1 | :'( |
| 01:57.31 | bikcmp | langkid1: read the guide |
| 01:57.34 | yagoo | langkid1, i can help you, but it'll cost ya |
| 01:57.39 | FarmerD | no my bios will not |
| 01:57.41 | bikcmp | what does it say to do after you do it |
| 01:57.43 | FarmerD | legacy shit |
| 01:57.47 | bikcmp | you need to learn how to read this, :P |
| 01:57.55 | langkid1 | swapon -av |
| 01:57.57 | langkid1 | ? |
| 01:58.08 | bikcmp | yes! |
| 01:58.09 | langkid1 | o.o yay |
| 01:58.29 | langkid1 | Swap is like, overflow memory right? or is that burst? |
| 01:58.58 | Sunshine | help me pls, |
| 01:59.00 | bikcmp | google it |
| 01:59.02 | koollman | langkid1: swap is a bit like overflow memory. But not exactly. |
| 01:59.04 | bikcmp | ;p |
| 01:59.13 | bikcmp | langkid1: did that work? htop |
| 01:59.17 | langkid1 | nodes |
| 01:59.20 | langkid1 | nods |
| 01:59.22 | bikcmp | nodes? |
| 02:00.45 | Sunshine | Debian Bridge Authen |
| 02:01.41 | AllStruck | anyone know of a text processor that can count syllables? is that even possible? |
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| 02:02.03 | Sunshine | Inline authentication, use ipset,iptable |
| 02:02.22 | Sunshine | how do, |
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| 02:02.30 | nkuttler | AllStruck: sure it's possible.. not aware of a tool though |
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| 02:03.18 | WormFood | AllStruck, I'm not aware of anything that can do that, but it shouldn't be too hard to do, since there is a finite number of syllables. (I presume you're talking about english syllables) |
| 02:03.20 | yagoo | AllStruck, apropos count |
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| 02:04.17 | AthomIk | i can share my processor on the lan ? |
| 02:04.18 | nkuttler | AllStruck: get an implementation of the latex hyphenation algorithm in your favorite scripting language |
| 02:04.20 | WormFood | counting syllables in Chinese (mandarin) is terribly simple...with very rare exception, every character is a syllable. |
| 02:04.27 | AthomIk | :P |
| 02:04.28 | Artemis3 | AllStruck, http://www.wordcalc.com/ |
| 02:04.40 | nkuttler | WormFood: it's not as easy as that in english |
| 02:04.57 | WormFood | nkuttler, it is not that hard in english either |
| 02:05.08 | AllStruck | WormFood: that's interesting to know... will look into that more later |
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| 02:06.00 | AthomIk | search for hercules classic (webcam) linux ? |
| 02:06.15 | AthomIk | only can run 320*200.... |
| 02:06.38 | WormFood | I've been studying mandarin off and on for the last 5 years...it is extremely beneficial for me to know since I live in China...that is how I know about the mandarin syllables |
| 02:06.45 | AthomIk | 320*240 but not good |
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| 02:07.03 | nkuttler | WormFood: when you say there is a finite number of syllables in english it sounds like you have an incorrect idea of how hyphenation works. anyway |
| 02:07.17 | AthomIk | help me, after i speak chinesse if you want |
| 02:07.24 | thisthat | i wish i could speak chinese |
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| 02:09.09 | langkid1 | now I want to kill the process running the minecraft server (java) how do I do that? |
| 02:09.16 | WormFood | 匚卄讠几巨弓彐 工弓 彐凡弓丫 下民丫 讠下 <-- look at that real hard, and I think you can read chinese if you try (sorry for being off topic) |
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| 02:09.52 | blognewb | hi guys i was wondering if you know a text editor or pastebin webapp that can set your work to an 18 syllables per line format because my sister is trying to do an "epic format" for her english class |
| 02:10.07 | blognewb | or maybe a c script or something |
| 02:10.08 | nkuttler | hmm |
| 02:10.43 | thisthat | lol wormfood |
| 02:11.05 | AllStruck | yagoo: apropos count will do syllables? |
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| 02:12.02 | nkuttler | blognewb: try http://nedbatchelder.com/code/modules/hyphenate.html or find any implementation in the language you prefer.. |
| 02:12.57 | blognewb | nkuttler i got the name now.. "Dactylic hexameter" |
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| 02:14.57 | AllStruck | WormFood: if only it were that easy |
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| 02:15.17 | WormFood | indeed...I wished it was that easy |
| 02:15.19 | AllStruck | sometimes German is slightly understandable... blinken lichten especially |
| 02:15.39 | AllStruck | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blinkenlights |
| 02:16.28 | WormFood | well, english's roots are in germanic, with a huge injection of french words....old english words are very close with many german words. (like folk/volk for example) |
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| 02:17.41 | AllStruck | thanks everyone for the answers, I didn't expect so many |
| 02:18.02 | WormFood | I've found many times I can understand german technical docs enough to make sense out of it...probably because I know what to expect (I'm not claiming to have any skills there, just that it seems easy to figure out) |
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| 02:18.45 | langkid1 | bikcmp, how kill the java process? |
| 02:19.08 | langkid1 | fuck it, I'm doing a system reboot |
| 02:19.14 | dvs | O_O |
| 02:19.25 | quietone | I've got an old machine that won't boot via HD or CDROM. I can try floppy but can't find an image or instructions, anyone? |
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| 02:19.35 | AllStruck | langkid1: sadness :( |
| 02:19.42 | langkid1 | quietone, try getting a NEW machine |
| 02:19.43 | dvs | quietone: USB? |
| 02:20.10 | quietone | dvs, no USB port. |
| 02:20.34 | AllStruck | quietone: test machine to determine where failure is occurring |
| 02:20.58 | dvs | !rube goldberg install |
| 02:20.58 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
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| 02:21.14 | WormFood | quietone, pxe boot over the network |
| 02:22.18 | somiaj | quietone: what do you mean 'wont boot via HD' -- Where do you expect to install the OS to if it can't boot from the HD? |
| 02:22.24 | WormFood | I'm a big fan of pxe booting...install debian quickly and easily, and I always felt burning a cd/dvd was such a waste. |
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| 02:22.26 | quietone | WormFood, it has been a while since I had the machine out of the cupboard but I think that failed too |
| 02:23.00 | WormFood | you're asking about a machine you don't even have out....go take it out and try again, then come back for suggestions. |
| 02:23.18 | quietone | somiaj, I don't want to install an OS on the hd in the machine. |
| 02:23.28 | WormFood | you sound like a troll |
| 02:24.21 | dondelelcaro | quietone: you're better off just putting the drive into a working machine in the same architecture, and installing it that way |
| 02:24.30 | yagoo | WormFood, well pxe can be insecured.. no point in someone sniffin up your root password |
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| 02:25.02 | quietone | WormFood, that is not my intent. I simply have some time to think about the problem now. The office is full now, there is no space to bring out the machine and I would ahve to borrow a monitor from someone who is working. |
| 02:25.04 | dondelelcaro | yagoo: you'd use pxe boot for the initial install on a trusted network; kind of odd for that to be compromised |
| 02:25.16 | WormFood | yagoo, anything can be insecure, if you configure it that way |
| 02:27.08 | Derpadong | Anyone having issues getting WMFS setup on Debian? |
| 02:27.12 | WormFood | quietone, you never actually said what you're trying to accomplish |
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| 02:28.30 | quietone | WormFood, you are right. I've been requested to 'see what is on the disks' |
| 02:28.43 | Artemis3 | hmm, when you start an install via pxe, you don't transmit your root password, just saying. The installer loads in memory and the operations are with the local machine only. |
| 02:29.00 | WormFood | put a working dvd drive in the computer, and boot knoppix or live debian or something, and check it out. |
| 02:29.17 | WormFood | I don't see what is so hard about that :P |
| 02:29.34 | Artemis3 | whats wrong with usb sticks? |
| 02:29.39 | WormFood | PXE boot is really the way to go, I think. |
| 02:29.45 | dondelelcaro | quietone: or just rip the disks out and stick them in a working machine, or use a usb adapter to plug them into a working machine |
| 02:30.19 | quietone | WormFood, I have never taken a CD or DVD drive in or out of a machine. |
| 02:30.20 | yagoo | quietone, how big is the hd ? |
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| 02:30.40 | quietone | Artemis3, no usb |
| 02:30.47 | WormFood | I just installed knoppix to a hard drive over USB, because the DVD drive in the computer won't work....put the hard drive back into the laptop, and it worked fine |
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| 02:31.19 | WormFood | no usb? come on, don't tell me that don't sound like a troll....no usb?!? how old is this computer? |
| 02:31.19 | yagoo | WormFood, big boy! clap clap :) |
| 02:32.27 | quietone | WormFood, Not sure of the date. It took a while to find someone who had a keyboard that would fit, large round plug (DIN5 i think it is called) |
| 02:32.30 | WormFood | quietone, then you need to learn how, or take your computer to someone who can...there are many choices for you |
| 02:32.50 | Artemis3 | whats this mysterious machine model and brand? |
| 02:32.56 | dvs | oh crap! |
| 02:32.57 | WormFood | IBM 5150 |
| 02:33.09 | Artemis3 | wut? thats kinda ancient lol |
| 02:33.25 | dvs | that's like a 486 at most |
| 02:33.34 | WormFood | ST-412/ST-506 interface hard drives |
| 02:33.43 | Artemis3 | lol its an 8008 or something, VERY ancient |
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| 02:33.58 | WormFood | or maybe even a 4004 cpu |
| 02:34.06 | dondelelcaro | yeah, you won't be able to get anything to read the MFN drives anymore; those things were ancient in 1996. |
| 02:34.32 | yagoo | quietone, maybe you should try minix |
| 02:34.34 | Artemis3 | wth is an IBM PALM processor??? |
| 02:34.37 | yagoo | :) |
| 02:34.58 | Artemis3 | thats too ancient :P |
| 02:35.09 | dvs | was thinking Motorola 6802 |
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| 02:35.39 | WormFood | I fired up an old mfm drive (10 meg) a few years ago, and it still worked...still had OS-9/68000 (A unix-like os) on it, that still booted my ancient 68000 computer I built from a kit (bare circuit board kinda kit) |
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| 02:36.10 | tensorpudding | if it's old enough to use an AT keyboard, it's possibly too old for linux |
| 02:36.20 | WormFood | some of that ancient stuff still works |
| 02:36.59 | quietone | thanks everyone for the ideas. |
| 02:37.00 | WormFood | tensorpudding, replace "AT" with "PC/XT", and what you said would be right. |
| 02:37.12 | tensorpudding | linux won't run on x86 hardware older than a 386 |
| 02:37.29 | WormFood | tensorpudding, modern ps/2 keyboards use the same protocol as the ancient AT |
| 02:37.38 | tensorpudding | isn't 386 the first version with protected mode? |
| 02:37.46 | yagoo | quietone, if its more than 15 years old.. you wouldn't be able to use pxe from it's bios boot obviously.. but u can use disks that can start a netboot or a netinst |
| 02:37.49 | tensorpudding | or a MMU |
| 02:37.58 | WormFood | tensorpudding, we're talking about KEYBOARDS |
| 02:38.16 | tensorpudding | i know |
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| 02:38.57 | WormFood | my brand new machine with a PS/2 keyboard port can use my 1986 IBM Model M keyboard, that is built like a tank...that was used on the AT computers then |
| 02:39.05 | tensorpudding | when was the AT slot replaced? |
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| 02:39.18 | Artemis3 | keyboards thats simple, XT, AT and PS/2. the AT and PS/2 can be interexchanged with adapter |
| 02:39.21 | tharkun | tensorpudding: IIRC 286 had also a "protected" mode but it liked pipelining and it had lots of missing parts that 386 gracefully fixed while keeping compatibility with 8088 software |
| 02:39.27 | WormFood | what slot? |
| 02:39.49 | tensorpudding | the AT keyboard connector |
| 02:40.05 | Artemis3 | yes i have some of these, and the adaptars too |
| 02:40.16 | WormFood | no Artemis3 , there are 2 keyboards...XT and AT...that is it...PS/2 is just a form factor change, which is why an adapter works |
| 02:40.38 | tensorpudding | you can use an adapter for ps/2 and usb as well... |
| 02:40.42 | zykotick9 | tensorpudding, even 386 is too old for Squeeze "However, Debian GNU/Linux squeeze will not run on 386 or earlier processors..." http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s01.html.en |
| 02:40.45 | Artemis3 | some older keyboards had a switch to change from XT to AT mode, the plug is physically the same |
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| 02:41.36 | langkid1 | slams head on table |
| 02:41.37 | WormFood | and you can use the old PC keyboard with a parallel port adapter, if I remember correctly |
| 02:41.37 | tensorpudding | did quietone actually say what his hardware was |
| 02:41.50 | Artemis3 | Debian targets 486 i believe? |
| 02:41.55 | WormFood | tensorpudding, no he didn't |
| 02:42.41 | bookmark | does anyone know where kernel config files are kept? |
| 02:42.54 | enkidu | hello, I need help with bridge. Its policy is to set itselve lowest mac address added, but I have to give other for dhcp for authenticate on switch. How to do it in /etc/network? |
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| 02:43.06 | stew | bookmark: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 02:43.48 | bookmark | yeah it was right in my face |
| 02:43.51 | bookmark | thanks stew |
| 02:44.01 | bookmark | i looked there but i thought it was yada.config |
| 02:44.08 | bookmark | it was config-yada |
| 02:44.15 | bookmark | and i didn't notice |
| 02:44.26 | bookmark | thanks |
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| 02:56.14 | yagoo | i'm having a dig@ problem.. nslookup appears fine (i get no result for a hostname with dig, but can with nslookup) |
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| 03:05.50 | tharkun | is evince capable of viewing ps files? |
| 03:06.24 | stew | tharkun: yes |
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| 03:08.35 | enkidu | okay, problem solved |
| 03:09.11 | enkidu | had to use hwaddress instead of bridge_hw |
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| 03:09.27 | tharkun | stew: thanks, i have a blank line that is killing me :( |
| 03:10.44 | enkidu | now just prepare ebtables, radius, etc etc... and I will be able to move my old laptop to a place, where it will be degraded to PAL image generator |
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| 03:25.18 | gnarface | can anyone tell me how to fix openldap when changing the ip breaks my slapd.d database? |
| 03:25.28 | gnarface | er, breaks nslcde |
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| 03:25.32 | gnarface | er, breaks nslcd i mean |
| 03:25.40 | gnarface | something |
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| 03:52.08 | gentz | From where is X booted in debian? I don't see an entry in inittab for it. |
| 03:53.33 | somiaj | !nodm |
| 03:53.33 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
| 03:54.01 | tharkun | What is the default browser for gnome called? |
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| 03:55.06 | MIOW | tharkun: epiphany |
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| 03:56.59 | tharkun | MIOW: thanks |
| 03:57.24 | MIOW | np :) |
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| 04:02.10 | peterrooney | gentz: runlevel 2 is default |
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| 04:03.47 | tharkun | Gentlemen, If i download a pdf file using xlinks2 epiphany (MIOW thanks for the name) i get no problems, when i download it with iceweasel it inserts an aditional blank lines that fubars it. How can i debug this isue? |
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| 04:05.04 | thewanderer1 | tharkun, and that's from HTTP or FTP? |
| 04:05.15 | tharkun | http |
| 04:05.30 | thewanderer1 | no idea off the top of my head, then :/ |
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| 04:06.31 | tharkun | thewanderer1: if you recall any ideas feel free to higlight me or send a pm. /me also needs to sleep |
| 04:08.08 | bookmark | tharkun why don't you just delete the extra lines? |
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| 04:08.45 | tharkun | bookmark: :) you tell that to a website user and please quote him on what he said |
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| 04:10.18 | bookmark | oh you want to actually change the source code ;) |
| 04:10.20 | bookmark | gotcha |
| 04:11.03 | gnarface | ok i desperately need help migrating an existing slapd server to another machine. what i have done appears to work in every respect except nslcd claims it does not work so... wtf? |
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| 04:14.05 | tharkun | gnarface: #slapd @freenode |
| 04:14.46 | tharkun | ups #ldap @freenode |
| 04:15.16 | tharkun | but then the debian package has some peculiarities that differ it a lot from the upstream version |
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| 04:15.42 | gnarface | its openldap on freenode actually isn't it, tharkun ? |
| 04:15.47 | gnarface | and they're useless there |
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| 04:18.11 | yonkeltron | where can i read more about the linux kernel power regression and how the debian project i handling it? |
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| 04:19.03 | tharkun | gnarface: lunaphyte does know his way on slapd stuff. I wouldn't call his advice useless |
| 04:19.05 | thewanderer1 | yonkeltron, Phoronix; and we're not handling it because a) it's not in Stable and b) testing/sid are supposed to have bugs :P |
| 04:19.28 | tharkun | !pieces |
| 04:19.28 | dpkg | The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 04:19.35 | tharkun | :D |
| 04:20.16 | thewanderer1 | by Wheezy release, the kernel will probably be done with that problem (isn't it already?) |
| 04:23.25 | gnarface | tharkun: well since he didn't offer any i didn't |
| 04:25.25 | yonkeltron | thewanderer1: so basically i shouldn't expect any sort of fix then? |
| 04:26.28 | thewanderer1 | yonkeltron, as I said, Debian Stable is not affected and it will be fixed in the next stable release |
| 04:26.50 | thewanderer1 | if you need better power efficiency in Testing/Unstable, compile your own kernel |
| 04:27.34 | yonkeltron | thewanderer1: understood. in general, is there a way i can learn more about this and track development? |
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| 04:28.57 | yagoo | ahhhhhhhhhh so much easier with my own zone.... |
| 04:29.10 | thewanderer1 | yonkeltron, phoronix.com were focused on that subject until it got fixed, search there and see which versions are affected |
| 04:29.11 | yagoo | bind9 has been bashed and fixed |
| 04:30.14 | yonkeltron | thewanderer1: thanks. if i could ask another general question, is there a howto on patching my kernel? if i'm to compile my own kernel, i'd like to use the debian kernel-package goodies |
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| 04:30.40 | gnarface | come on there is something wrong with changing ip addresses on an openldap server and it is specific to the way debian's is packaged by default. none of the documentation in the wild (including debian's own, due to how out of date it is) applies to the current package and nobody involved in the upstream will be willing to support debian's customizations. what the fuck am i supposed to do? |
| 04:31.14 | thewanderer1 | yonkeltron, learn make-kpkg and that should be all if compiling from vanilla. if using debian's kernel sources, no bloody idea :D |
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| 04:31.45 | tharkun | gnarface: take a walk, grab some coffee and install upstream version or do a fresh install and replicate from the original server |
| 04:31.45 | yonkeltron | thewanderer1: understood. thank you very much! |
| 04:31.54 | yonkeltron | thewanderer1: have a good rest of the week |
| 04:32.04 | thewanderer1 | gnarface, or rgrep /etc for your old IP address :P |
| 04:32.10 | yonkeltron | thewanderer1: make sure you get your fiber and all of that |
| 04:32.32 | thewanderer1 | heh, tank you :P |
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| 04:35.52 | gnarface | thewanderer1: already did that it doesn't show up |
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| 04:41.15 | FarmerD | www.haxradio.com LIVE |
| 04:41.20 | gnarface | i need someone to tell me how to change the ip address on squeeze using slapd |
| 04:41.33 | gnarface | please |
| 04:41.34 | FarmerD | slapd? hehehe |
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| 04:42.06 | FarmerD | I usually just remove network-manager and /etc/network/interfaces and set to static |
| 04:43.20 | arghx | gnarface: you are talking nonsense |
| 04:44.02 | FarmerD | that network manager has been nothing but flaky for me on multiple distros |
| 04:44.32 | FarmerD | hey Ive got a strange minor issue, sometimes my machine will take forever when I right click a file and send to the recyclebin, regardless of the file size |
| 04:44.39 | FarmerD | debian 5/6 |
| 04:45.03 | FarmerD | well, debian lenny to be more precise, havent actually had the issue on debian 6 yet |
| 04:45.10 | arghx | FarmerD: your spamming is very much unappreciated |
| 04:45.24 | FarmerD | sorry, was just sharing |
| 04:45.34 | FarmerD | but I really do have this issue |
| 04:47.24 | gnarface | arghx: i mean i need someone to tell me how to change the ip address of a server running slapd without breaking nslcd's ability to access slapd |
| 04:47.54 | arghx | gnarface: changing while nslcd continously runs? |
| 04:48.15 | gnarface | no |
| 04:48.25 | gnarface | just changing it so the damned thing will still work afterwards |
| 04:48.47 | gnarface | it seems to somehow be hardwired to its old ip in a way i'm not familiar with |
| 04:49.20 | gnarface | i can't find the old ip or hostname anywhere in the cn=config or anywhere else in /etc |
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| 04:49.36 | arghx | granted, I don't know about ldap but what about the URI option in nslcd.conf? |
| 04:50.01 | gnarface | obviously i change that first arghx |
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| 04:50.53 | FarmerD | hello chetan |
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| 04:51.17 | chetan | hello |
| 04:52.34 | Sunshine | debian 6 |
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| 04:56.54 | rmacd | Bit of a problem – was in the middle of an upgrade from lenny to squeeze. Screen over ssh. Connection got dropped (as I was half expecting to happen) and now I'm screwed. I can log in as a normal user ok, but cannot su or sudo: I get "Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info". |
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| 04:58.05 | rmacd | I had checked that I was able to log in on a new session as soon as pam had restarted sshd, but I didn't think to go and attempt to su - now, it turns out, it wasn't sensible to assume that as I was able to log in, I'd be able to su. |
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| 04:59.59 | yagoo | i'm having a little scratchinthehead-- anyone has a reference for sendmailing via a lan smarthost-- end target is 1 user account on a wan smtp server.. ? |
| 05:00.11 | yagoo | (sendmail command) |
| 05:00.51 | FarmerD | WWW.HAXRADIO.COM if u dont like it gline me and ill grab another socks host |
| 05:00.55 | FarmerD | derp |
| 05:01.04 | FIXER|ETA | bai |
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| 05:13.09 | arghx | yagoo: you cannot tell /usr/lib/sendmail to use a smarthost, only the underlying MTA can be configured to do that |
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| 05:19.21 | rmacd | Ok, just quickly - any way of getting su or sudo to bypass pam's requirement for a user to be in ldap? The ldap server is down. For some reason, I can still login as a normal user though. |
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| 05:21.15 | reklipz | The mobo in my Debian system took a crap; that's the last time I'm buying ECS. |
| 05:21.38 | reklipz | I bought a new mobo (ASRock. ASRock/ASUS FTW!), and the system booted right up. |
| 05:21.47 | arghx | which one is it? the ECS I mean |
| 05:22.05 | arghx | and why you think Asrock is a step up is beyond me :) |
| 05:22.23 | reklipz | ECS A740GM-M |
| 05:23.02 | reklipz | ASRock is a subsidiary of ASUS. I haven't had a single issue with any of the ASUS gear I've owned. |
| 05:23.14 | reklipz | But, that's beside the point. |
| 05:23.44 | reklipz | Is there anyway I can automatically detect the new peripherals and install drivers for them; similar to during a fresh installation? |
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| 05:24.04 | mikey | Hi. |
| 05:24.18 | mikey | I'm having a very strange problem with user limits on a debian squeeze box. |
| 05:24.30 | reklipz | Also, the BIOS is displaying 2x2GB (4GB) in dual channel mode; but the system only shows 2GB of memory. Any ideas on that one? |
| 05:24.58 | mikey | If I open up /etc/security/limits.conf and set the soft & hard nofile limit for the nginx user to to 9048576, and then do 'su - nginx', and run ulimit -n, it shows 80048, if I comment it out, it shows 128000, my sysctl fs.file-max limit is 9048576. |
| 05:25.22 | mikey | I don't know what could be causing this. |
| 05:25.34 | reklipz | mikey: why not just use the ulimit userspace tool? |
| 05:25.46 | reklipz | s/tool/utility/ |
| 05:25.55 | mikey | because for some reason, the nginx user can't set their own limit. |
| 05:26.09 | reklipz | mikey: set it as root? |
| 05:26.54 | mikey | The syntax for that would be ulimit -u nginx -n 9999999 right? |
| 05:27.46 | reklipz | mikey: no, that won't work (according to my sources). but... i don't know if what I said is possible... |
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| 05:28.05 | mikey | ip141:/etc/default# ulimit -u nginx -n 9999999 |
| 05:28.05 | mikey | -bash: ulimit: nginx: invalid number |
| 05:28.05 | arghx | reklipz: which kernel do you use? uname -r |
| 05:28.07 | mikey | Yeah, i get that. |
| 05:28.27 | reklipz | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 05:28.40 | arghx | mikey: getent passwd nginx |
| 05:29.00 | mikey | userid 1003 |
| 05:29.40 | reklipz | arghx: it's not a 32-bit/PAE issue. |
| 05:30.07 | reklipz | arghx: I do have a GPU with 512MB RAM that needs to be mapped, but again, not a 32-bit address space issue. |
| 05:30.19 | mikey | ip141:/etc/default# uname -r |
| 05:30.20 | mikey | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 05:30.52 | reklipz | mikey: try: $ su -c 'ulimit -u 9999999' |
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| 05:31.22 | reklipz | s/-u/-n/ |
| 05:31.28 | yagoo | i thought it was just -u alone |
| 05:31.57 | reklipz | yagoo: from the docs: "-uthe maximum number of user processes" |
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| 05:32.42 | yagoo | i guess the rest of you are too pussy to answer my exim question lol |
| 05:32.51 | tpocra | Hi, I have a problem with my sound card. I am NOT using pulseaudio (uninstalled) and just plain ALSA and I degraded my HDMi device by setting snd_hda_intel index=-2 |
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| 05:32.53 | reklipz | mikey: sorry I can't help more. |
| 05:33.03 | mikey | nginx@ip141:~$ su -c 'ulimit -n 9999999999' |
| 05:33.03 | mikey | Password: |
| 05:33.03 | mikey | bash: line 0: ulimit: open files: cannot modify limit: Operation not permitted |
| 05:33.03 | mikey | nginx@ip141:~$ |
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| 05:33.05 | tpocra | But unFORTUNTEly, even though my Creative card is now sound card number 0, it is not outputting any audio at all in any application I try. And yes the mixer volume is up. |
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| 05:33.17 | mikey | Sorry about that. |
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| 05:34.12 | zophy | what's good to use for reading epub files? |
| 05:34.26 | reklipz | tpocra: tpocra `aplay` and `speaker-test` are your friends for testing sound cards. |
| 05:34.35 | reklipz | zophy: I think evince can read them. |
| 05:35.02 | arghx | zophy: calibre? |
| 05:35.19 | arghx | !tell tpocra about alsa checklist |
| 05:35.23 | reklipz | arghx: rebooting - back in a bit |
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| 05:38.37 | yagoo | arghx, you're telling me sendmail has nothing to do with an MTA? |
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| 05:39.27 | arghx | yagoo: no I did not. you misunderstood me. and the sendmail you speak about is not an MTA, just distribute with every MTA for backwards compatibility reasons, aka cruft |
| 05:39.34 | naga47 | Is it possible to install lenny in logical partition?? |
| 05:39.40 | arghx | naga47: yes |
| 05:39.57 | naga47 | I've tried installing in logical partition. After installing, when it reboots. |
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| 05:40.10 | naga47 | Got error as no bootable device found. |
| 05:40.15 | naga47 | why is it so |
| 05:40.17 | naga47 | ? |
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| 05:40.22 | arghx | naga47: why do you install lenny? and have you installed a bootloader like grub? |
| 05:40.30 | gentz | lshw shows that my intel i7 has 2 cores but it says enabled_cores 1. how do i enable both cores? |
| 05:40.47 | yagoo | arghx, backwards compatibility for what? |
| 05:40.49 | arghx | gentz: and intel i7 has 4 cores. which kernel do you run? uname -r |
| 05:41.07 | arghx | yagoo: for the original sendmail and many programs that use its binary directly to send mail |
| 05:41.09 | gentz | arghx:3.0.0-1-amd64 |
| 05:41.14 | naga47 | arghx: yes. |
| 05:41.31 | yagoo | arghx, and sendmail is not an MTA you say, then what is it? a MUA? because I do need it for something. |
| 05:41.35 | arghx | naga47: please answer both questions |
| 05:41.56 | naga47 | Installed lenny, since I've to check one of my old project in it. |
| 05:41.57 | gentz | arghx: configuration: cores=2 enabledcores=1 threads=2 |
| 05:41.57 | arghx | yagoo: /usr/lib/sendmail is not sendmail, but a compatibility wrapper for whatever MTA you have installed |
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| 05:42.13 | arghx | gentz: grep processor /proc/cpuinfo |
| 05:42.20 | yagoo | arghx, it isnt a separate package.. it's a symlink to exim |
| 05:42.28 | gentz | arghx: processor : 0 |
| 05:42.33 | arghx | yagoo: I know. as I said, a wrapper |
| 05:42.50 | yagoo | arghx, so doesn't that make sense now? the binary is exim after all.. |
| 05:43.08 | Jimmy_Kash | Hey general question, is is hard to setup an SMTP relay service |
| 05:43.12 | naga47 | arghx: what is that I should do now get the system up? |
| 05:43.19 | arghx | yagoo: yes. and you configure exim to use a smarthost. the sendmail binary has no options to select a smarthost, does it? |
| 05:43.38 | yagoo | arghx, you obviously don't know how to answer questions here.. |
| 05:43.42 | arghx | naga47: where did you install grub to? |
| 05:43.47 | arghx | !tell naga47 about fixgrub |
| 05:43.48 | yagoo | thanks for trying anyways.. |
| 05:44.13 | arghx | yagoo: what is your actual problem? |
| 05:44.32 | naga47 | arghx: I'll try that. |
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| 05:45.04 | yagoo | arghx, I already told you sendmail is a symlink kiddo. |
| 05:45.06 | yagoo | lol |
| 05:45.18 | yagoo | looks for the magic link for himself |
| 05:46.58 | arghx | Jimmy_Kash: not overly. setting it up securely is harder however. look up smtpd auth |
| 05:47.50 | tpocra | arghx: So I made myself in the audio group and logged out and in again, but that aplay command as root does nothing |
| 05:48.03 | yagoo | Jimmy_Kash, no it isnt.. by default exim is not set to do plaintext smtp.. arghx has no idea what he's talking about-- just use dpkg-reconfigure -plow exim4-config |
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| 05:48.46 | arghx | tpocra: alsamixer runs fine? volume set to max for everything? |
| 05:49.04 | tpocra | alsamixer is fine, yes and it shows the right card as number 0 |
| 05:49.08 | tpocra | and volume is up |
| 05:49.53 | arghx | yagoo: please stop attacking other people when you have no clue. doing a smtp relay service you must use some authentication to not be an open relay. or you end up on a blacklist soon |
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| 05:50.11 | yagoo | arghx, i've already done that.. and IT's EASY. |
| 05:50.19 | yagoo | arghx, so why not stop giving bad advice? hmm? |
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| 05:50.44 | arghx | yagoo: what exactly is easy? |
| 05:51.03 | yagoo | pff |
| 05:51.05 | yagoo | kids |
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| 06:00.16 | Jimmy_Kash | WHats the diff between postfix and sendmail? |
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| 06:02.00 | farmbuyer | Jimmy_Kash: different styles of administration, different flavors of config |
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| 06:02.28 | somiaj | Jimmy_Kash: similar to what is the difference between chromium and firefox? Different tools that adhear to the same protocols. (thus you configure them different, they have different strenghts and weknesses, etc) |
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| 06:03.29 | Jimmy_Kash | somiaj: i figuired I might be asking a dumb question sorry. I essentially just need to setup a quick smtp relay server. Would one of the two stand out as a better option? |
| 06:03.36 | farmbuyer | if you're not already familiar with sendmail, I'd personally recommend using... almost anything else, really :-) |
| 06:03.50 | Jimmy_Kash | farmbuyer: ha righto |
| 06:04.07 | farmbuyer | even the latest version of sendmail can be pretty intimidating if you don't already have scar tissue built up |
| 06:04.24 | somiaj | Jimmy_Kash: exim is the default one in debian. I prefer postfix myself and think it is a nice mix between configurability and use. |
| 06:04.49 | Dewi | +1 postfix |
| 06:04.54 | Dewi | it just seems sensible |
| 06:05.03 | farmbuyer | Jimmy_Kash: if you only need a relay server, iirc there are relay-only packages out there |
| 06:05.15 | Jimmy_Kash | somiaj: So setting up a smtp relay server using postfix is a big job? |
| 06:05.32 | farmbuyer | otherwise you need to install a full-fledged MTA and then tell it to dumb itself down to relay levels (totally possible, of course) |
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| 06:05.44 | Jimmy_Kash | farmbuyer: aah k |
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| 06:06.31 | somiaj | Jimmy_Kash: not really. I find postfix fairly easy to configure and good documentation. Though afiak it lacks some of the more advanced features of other email servers. Though that is why I say its a good mix. |
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| 06:06.57 | somiaj | Jimmy_Kash: but yes if all you want to do is be a relay server, I'd listen to farmbuyer |
| 06:07.15 | Jimmy_Kash | somiaj: sweet thanks guys |
| 06:07.21 | joeoshawa | if you guys have people from wheezy asking about gnome not working who are using nvidia i think i know why |
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| 06:07.57 | joeoshawa | the plugins nvidia needs for the 3d rendering engine are not installed by default |
| 06:08.05 | somiaj | joeoshawa: yes they are using wheezy and don't know about the bts. This abi issue has been known for quite some time now. (: |
| 06:08.05 | joeoshawa | you got to install them |
| 06:08.31 | pbase | by when approx. will wheezy become the stable version? I want to try another distro and confused if I should save the packages on my current installation |
| 06:08.32 | joeoshawa | i just realised it when i was having issues with urt |
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| 06:09.31 | joeoshawa | i asked them about it in #debian-next last week and they couldn't figure it out |
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| 06:10.07 | joeoshawa | but i didn't realise the 3d rendering stuff is separate from opengl as plugins |
| 06:10.37 | vsmatck | Any twitter client which works for gnome? |
| 06:10.48 | pbase | vsmatck: gwibber |
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| 06:11.07 | engine64 | hi all, any networkl experts here? how do you restrict clients from reaching each other (can't ping each other). We have this campus pre-paid wireless implementation and we don't want to allow clients to communicate each other. If a solution exists, what it is called? thanks in advance. |
| 06:11.10 | vsmatck | Doesn't work on squeeze. Is it hard to build/install? |
| 06:11.40 | joeoshawa | https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/8220-six-twitter-clients-for-the-linux-desktop-and-one-for-the-road |
| 06:11.49 | joeoshawa | for vsmatck |
| 06:11.58 | vsmatck | Ah thanks ;) |
| 06:12.07 | joeoshawa | google is my bible |
| 06:12.13 | vsmatck | err 2008 |
| 06:12.30 | joeoshawa | so |
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| 06:12.41 | pbase | vsmatck: there is this twitgin plugin for pidgin too |
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| 06:13.16 | arghx | vsmatck: what do you mean "doesn't work on squeeze"? |
| 06:13.23 | joeoshawa | google linux twitter client review |
| 06:13.32 | joeoshawa | look for 2011 |
| 06:13.34 | vsmatck | arghx: It doesn't authenticate. |
| 06:13.43 | arghx | ,versions gwibber |
| 06:13.45 | judd | Package: gwibber on i386 -- squeeze: 1.2.0+bzr358-3; sid: 3.0.0.1-2; wheezy: 3.0.0.1-2 |
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| 06:14.59 | arghx | vsmatck: some day in 2011 twitter changed their stance on 3rd party clients IIRC: meaning as all IM services before it, it tried to lock out other programs to maximize ad placement. the squeeze versions of twitter software probably all got caught in that since squeeze was frozen in mid 2010 |
| 06:15.01 | Guest36474 | So, I changed the BIOS to use AHCI, this is what I got: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/-1SsEfuE2tt7yHQ2N3htmpJ1iGFi0-bjfU5TdeV68r8 |
| 06:15.34 | Guest36474 | I changed it back to use Legacy IDE, I get the same issue. |
| 06:15.40 | vsmatck | arghx: doh. I suppose I'll try to figure out how I can install gwibber from source. |
| 06:15.49 | Dewi | arghx: they gave 6 months warning, and it wasn't to lock anyone out, it was for security |
| 06:15.53 | arghx | !tell vsmatck about ssb |
| 06:15.57 | arghx | vsmatck: try to do a backport |
| 06:16.14 | arghx | Dewi: you're a funny guy |
| 06:16.35 | Dewi | arghx: about which part? |
| 06:16.40 | naga47 | arghx: I got the partition booted. I booted with live cd, then mounted the disk, changed the bootable flag from logical partition to one of my primary partition. Reboot. Now, I'm able see grub, boot into logical partition. |
| 06:16.47 | Guest36474 | Just prior to rebooting, I ran `initramfs-update -u` with initramfs.conf with 'list' mode, and ahci and libahci. I think that is the issue. |
| 06:16.51 | arghx | "it wasn't to lock anyone out, it was for security" |
| 06:16.56 | Dewi | arghx: http basic auth is inherently insecure |
| 06:17.11 | Guest36474 | Dewi: so use https? |
| 06:17.15 | Dewi | arghx: you can wrap it up in ssl but sharing passwords still sucks |
| 06:17.21 | pbase | how long (approx) did it take to move from lenny to squeeze in the stable versions?.. is there a link where I can see the roadmap of debian? |
| 06:17.43 | vsmatck | There are graphs on the debian wikipedia page of release times. |
| 06:17.50 | Dewi | pbase: think 2 years |
| 06:18.03 | Dewi | it's never so far off that |
| 06:18.28 | pbase | any ideas about squeeze to wheezy?? |
| 06:18.31 | Guest36474 | this is reklipz, btw |
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| 06:18.53 | arghx | Dewi: http://www.google.com/search?q=3rd+party+twitter+clients first two hits from conde nast there shows it already |
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| 06:19.58 | Dewi | arghx: um, that was about 12 months after what you're talking about |
| 06:20.15 | Dewi | arghx: and that was just a policy heads-up, nothing technical changed |
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| 06:21.34 | Dewi | arghx: also it only applied to new clients, not existing ones |
| 06:22.35 | pbase | thanks guys.. the wiki page was very informative |
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| 06:24.43 | vsmatck | More trouble than it's worth. I'll just continue to poll the twitter webpage. |
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| 06:43.26 | farmbuyer | Where's the proper place to ask about the various versions of subversion on wheezy/sid? Is there a more specific place than here or the debian-users list? |
| 06:44.04 | karlpinc | farmbuyer: packages.debian.org |
| 06:44.05 | Dewi | farmbuyer: various versions? |
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| 06:44.28 | karlpinc | farmbuyer: Or use the bot. "/msg judd versions subversion". |
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| 06:45.28 | farmbuyer | karlpinc: the QA page there lists 1.5 and 1.6, but I was hoping that there would be a 1.7[.1] somewhere by now. Was wondering where I would ask to see if there are known problems trying to roll my own, etc. |
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| 06:45.53 | karlpinc | farmbuyer: Perhaps #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
| 06:46.12 | farmbuyer | oh I didn't even think of -next, good idea |
| 06:46.14 | farmbuyer | thanks! |
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| 07:08.19 | AthomIk | how i can remove gnome, i use wheezy, and have gnome+xfce |
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| 07:10.06 | Dewi | AthomIk: uninstall the packages that were installed to add gnome I guess |
| 07:10.18 | Dewi | AthomIk: are you replacing it with anything? |
| 07:10.45 | Dewi | AthomIk: oh xfce, just be careful you don't remove xfce along with it and you'll be fine |
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| 07:17.29 | AthomIk | dewi i wanna remove purge gnome |
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| 07:19.00 | peterrooney | AthomIk: deborphan may aid you. |
| 07:19.38 | AthomIk | apt-get autoremove --purge gnome* <---- is a way ? |
| 07:20.58 | peterrooney | AthomIk: IIRC, --purge goes first. Also, add --recon just to be safe. |
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| 07:21.21 | peterrooney | s/be safe/test beforehand/ |
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| 07:22.19 | arghx | !tell AthomIk about remove gnome |
| 07:22.20 | Dewi | AthomIk: depends which ones were installed |
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| 07:22.44 | Dewi | AthomIk: but I don't think the star thing will work |
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| 07:25.12 | AthomIk | ok thk Dewi peterrooney |
| 07:27.02 | arghx | AthomIk: have you read what dpkg messaged to you? |
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| 07:28.34 | AthomIk | ok arghx thk |
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| 07:35.03 | AthomIk | yes, dpkg say ask me about <purge> ? |
| 07:35.11 | AthomIk | how ? |
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| 07:43.02 | tehrabbitt1 | ok i'm trying to get TFTPD working but I keep getting permissions errors |
| 07:43.10 | tehrabbitt1 | access error 2 |
| 07:43.33 | tehrabbitt1 | any ideas? |
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| 07:44.19 | tehrabbitt1 | tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /srv/tftpboot |
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| 07:44.45 | tehrabbitt1 | wait i think i might have figured it out |
| 07:45.01 | tehrabbitt1 | yep X_X syntax |
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| 07:48.44 | mosno | what is this supposed "/drm mm object" file that checkrestart is reporting? http://paste.debian.net/146599/ |
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| 07:49.22 | mosno | actually one sec while i google, i'm getting too lazy in my old age |
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| 07:51.15 | vyadhaka | how to run this executable as root > /opt/Samsung/mfp/bin/Configurator |
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| 07:53.09 | mosno | hmm, apparently they're false positives |
| 07:53.44 | arghx | vyadhaka: sudo or change to a root shell with su |
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| 07:55.13 | vyadhaka | arghx: I did change to root shell and am in the /opt/Samsung/mfp/bin folder, but when I type in Configurator, it throws an erorr > Configurator: 1: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")") |
| 07:55.52 | arghx | vyadhaka: "file Configurator" in that directory? |
| 07:56.51 | vyadhaka | yes it's in /opt/Samsung/mfp/bin folder, when I moved back to the root home folder and typed in the full path /opt/Samsung/mfp/bin/Configurator, it worked |
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| 08:00.40 | vyadhaka | arghx: figured out, was missing ./ as the /opt/Samsung/mfp/bin folder is not in the $PATH environment |
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| 08:02.10 | SuperPhly | hey everyone, i've got a pretty large storage array where i store all kinds of different media. in total around 8TB. i'd like ot have it where users could create files, directories, etc and allow everyone else to view the files without havign to chmod/chown all the damn time. |
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| 08:03.34 | farmbuyer | off the top of my head: set the sticky bit on the directory with an appropriate umask? |
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| 08:05.03 | blackshirt | SuperPhly: i think ACL can help you ... |
| 08:06.00 | blackshirt | SuperPhly: implement access control list on it (ACL) |
| 08:06.36 | SuperPhly | does that have some sorta trickle down effect? where i can specify all files from /pub/ down are of this permission? |
| 08:07.39 | blackshirt | SuperPhly: what you mean ? |
| 08:09.23 | SuperPhly | will it mandate that all files writen someplace will be owned by a standard/default user? |
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| 08:10.21 | SuperPhly | this whole /pub directory and everything below it needs to be accessible by anyone on the system... no matter who writes to it. |
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| 08:21.59 | linux-fox | bye,all |
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| 08:22.32 | _ramo | hi |
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| 08:23.37 | _ramo | i'm running a virtual machine with debian.... now i want to test a facebook connection that was implemented as an webapp on the apache running on the Virtual machien. i need a valid hostname for facebook to acceppt the requests... how can i do that? |
| 08:24.50 | colo-work | _ramo, does "valid hostname" imply a valid PTR record for your IP address that resolves to the (forward-resolving) hostname of yours? |
| 08:25.26 | _ramo | colo-work: what is a valid PTR record for my IP address that resolves to the (forward-resolving) hostname? |
| 08:25.28 | _ramo | :) |
| 08:26.08 | _ramo | let's google it |
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| 08:26.24 | colo-work | _ramo, well, you can do a "reverse DNS lookup" on an IP-address. there's a special type of DNS record, and a special family of DNS zones, that take care of that. |
| 08:26.45 | _ramo | hm... let me look what facebook wants |
| 08:27.01 | colo-work | `dig -x <ip-address>` or `host <ip-address>` can be used to do reverse lookups |
| 08:27.30 | colo-work | it does not do any harm to familiarise oneself with the DNS, so it's probably a good idea to google for that stuff ;) |
| 08:28.47 | _ramo | colo-work: i just wanted to test my app... but this issue with the virtual machine and hostname is not clear to me... i'll try to google for some stuff |
| 08:29.26 | simonlnu | _ramo: you'll needsome fundamentals of DNS first |
| 08:29.31 | simonlnu | need some* |
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| 08:30.34 | Efazati | i have error to insall via apt http://pastebin.com/aThLMx4s receive error |
| 08:31.03 | _ramo | simonlnu: okay.. i'll try to get an idea about it ... :) |
| 08:31.14 | arghx | Efazati: pastebin your command and its full output |
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| 08:31.35 | _ramo | i thought may be it's enough to set a value in /etc/hosts for my virtual machine... e.g. 127.0.0.1 myHostName , and to add this name to the facebook app i want to connect to... |
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| 08:31.57 | simonlnu | _ramo: that would only work for your machine |
| 08:31.58 | wololoo | hi, does someone know how to change the window title bar appearance on XFCE 4.8? |
| 08:32.13 | wololoo | my window title bar font is huge |
| 08:32.17 | Efazati | arghx, http://pastebin.com/7PACTS6T |
| 08:33.01 | _ramo | simonlnu: yeah, that should work only for my machine... i want to test it... |
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| 08:34.02 | arghx | Efazati: dpkg -l debconf | tail -1 |
| 08:34.19 | Efazati | ii debconf 1.5.41 Debian configuration management syste |
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| 08:35.33 | arghx | have fun running sid. you can keep the pieces. I'd check the config DB it complains about |
| 08:36.31 | Efazati | arghx, what i can do? |
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| 08:37.26 | Efazati | :(( |
| 08:40.07 | arghx | I told you what you can do |
| 08:40.24 | arghx | and you should have done it already when you run sid. so what is with the file? |
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| 08:43.20 | SuperPhly | what's the difference between a regular group and a system group? |
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| 08:44.35 | somiaj | SuperPhly: ideally nothing. But system groups are reserved for paticular premisions. |
| 08:46.02 | SuperPhly | right, but if i wanted to create some group for general users in the system to be a part of so they could share files... system or non-system group? |
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| 08:53.00 | arghx | non system |
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| 08:55.32 | somiaj | SuperPhly: http://wiki.gacq.com/index.php/Debian_default_system_groups_description -- I personally use the 'users' group for such a thing, but that is a list of what the default system groups are reserved for. |
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| 10:05.06 | thousand | hello, everybody, I have installed gnome3 and want to install xfce, what packages should I remove to succesfully change gnome3 to xfce? marking gnome packe for uninstallation doesnt chain dependencies, should I remove every package that has "gnome" in its name? |
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| 10:07.48 | woshty | i am looking for firmware-ralink in the armhf port. is there a non-free section? |
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| 10:18.44 | bar__ | Hi |
| 10:18.46 | bar__ | weird problem |
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| 10:18.56 | bar__ | I just noticed I don't have a /etc/sudoers and /etc/group files |
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| 10:19.20 | Tobias| | Did you choose to use sudo when you installed debian? |
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| 10:19.35 | TopAz_ | can someone help me? |
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| 10:19.38 | bar__ | Tobias|: I had /etc/sudoers a few days a go |
| 10:19.40 | TopAz_ | i am having a problem |
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| 10:19.50 | TopAz_ | how to allow remote mysql access in webmin? |
| 10:19.54 | bar__ | ago* |
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| 10:20.55 | arghx | TopAz_: you do not want to do that. allowing access to mysql from outside is very dangerous |
| 10:21.08 | TopAz_ | I only want my ip |
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| 10:21.14 | arghx | !webmin |
| 10:21.14 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 10:21.32 | arghx | woshty: firmware is usually a "all" package |
| 10:21.43 | TopAz_ | ya |
| 10:21.45 | TopAz_ | i hate it |
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| 10:21.49 | TopAz_ | so confusing |
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| 10:21.50 | arghx | then stop using it |
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| 10:22.01 | TopAz_ | but is there any alt? |
| 10:22.13 | arghx | !tell TopAz_ about free whcp |
| 10:22.14 | Sevet | there's the cli |
| 10:22.20 | Sevet | ssh :) |
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| 10:22.31 | TopAz_ | i really hate using putty |
| 10:22.37 | TopAz_ | it's like 1980's ms-dos |
| 10:23.24 | Sevet | and yet more powerful (flexible) than a gui to configure your server |
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| 10:23.57 | TopAz_ | well putty is slow and much like MS-DOS |
| 10:24.05 | TopAz_ | there should be an alternative |
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| 10:25.17 | woshty | arghx: so getting it out of the regular non-free pool should just work? i will try that. |
| 10:25.32 | bar__ | Can anyone help ? My /etc/group file is gone! |
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| 10:25.54 | TopAz_ | is virtualmin better than webmin |
| 10:26.07 | TopAz_ | i just don't want to use putty |
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| 10:26.12 | archetech | vmin has webmin in it |
| 10:26.13 | Sevet | topaz_: plenty of alternatives to putty. they'll all give you the same interace. if it's slow then that's your connection or server. |
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| 10:27.00 | simonlnu | bar__: check /var/backups |
| 10:27.02 | TopAz_ | but using file manager in webmin is much faster than browsing files in putty |
| 10:27.16 | TopAz_ | and i am not pro in using linux |
| 10:27.31 | archetech | putty + mcommander |
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| 10:27.48 | arghx | TopAz_: install midnight commander. package "mc". that is WAY faster than webmin |
| 10:27.55 | simonlnu | virtualmin or webmin won't help you there, they'll hamper your learning in fact |
| 10:27.56 | TopAz_ | ok |
| 10:27.58 | TopAz_ | let me try it |
| 10:27.58 | bar__ | simonlnu: I love you, thanks! |
| 10:28.13 | woshty | arghx: jepp, just works, thank you |
| 10:28.36 | TopAz_ | but it's only a file manager? |
| 10:29.08 | simonlnu | heh. np. thank cron.daily ;P |
| 10:29.25 | simonlnu | TopAz_: yes. i still use it after almost 10 years |
| 10:29.41 | dokma | can anyone decipher why does sshfs fails to mount so that non root can access in this shell output: http://pastebin.com/LKSYuy8X |
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| 10:30.01 | TopAz_ | ok i am using it |
| 10:30.09 | TopAz_ | i will also buy DirectAdmin |
| 10:30.14 | TopAz_ | did anyone use that? |
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| 10:30.27 | simonlnu | first time i've heard of it |
| 10:30.29 | pAt_ | hi, I use Debian Wheezy. When I do a update today, it wants to remove xchat! Does anyone know why? |
| 10:30.41 | simonlnu | no |
| 10:30.42 | bar__ | Anyone has the default /etc/sudoers file for debian squeeze ? |
| 10:30.51 | simonlnu | pAt_: not enough info |
| 10:31.04 | simonlnu | bar__: in the package |
| 10:31.10 | TopAz_ | i guess DirectAdmin is good |
| 10:31.34 | dokma | here's the same output with syntax highlighting: http://pastebin.com/4VUv9mHW |
| 10:31.53 | dokma | when I try to mount as non root then I can access the mounted drive |
| 10:32.16 | dokma | but I'm trying to set this up so that it's mounted from /etc/network/if-up.d during boot |
| 10:32.25 | dokma | which is obviously going to be run as root |
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| 10:33.56 | eigar | isn't it normal to have "defaults" in <options> for root file system in fstab? Or in other words why is it not? ("Clean" debian fstab file) |
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| 10:34.33 | eigar | it only has errors=remount read only |
| 10:34.39 | simonlnu | eigar: rw,errors=remount-ro |
| 10:35.10 | eigar | simonlnu: mine does not have rw |
| 10:35.46 | eigar | ext3 |
| 10:36.04 | simonlnu | fs type won't matter |
| 10:36.27 | bar__ | simonlnu: There's no "/etc/sudoers" file in the sudo package. |
| 10:36.30 | eigar | isn't defaults defined by fs type? ie ext3 has "rw, suid, dev, exec, auto, nouser, async" |
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| 10:36.36 | dokma | even more weird, if I mount it as an ordinary user then root gets all the question marks |
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| 10:37.04 | simonlnu | bar__: check in /usr/share somewhere in it (sudo*.deb) |
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| 10:37.37 | simonlnu | dokma: sshfs uses fuse. you might want to look at a) your sshfs options b) fuse config |
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| 10:37.58 | simonlnu | eigar: no |
| 10:38.07 | bar__ | simonlnu: No, only sample sudoers files in /usr/share/doc/sudo/, but I need the default |
| 10:38.08 | walle | 妈逼的，狗屁房东 |
| 10:38.20 | lua_ | After this years it seems I am still a n00b |
| 10:38.31 | lua_ | I need help |
| 10:38.33 | simonlnu | only stuff like vfat won't have things like exec, etc. |
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| 10:39.38 | lua_ | How can I figure out the architecture I have to select when configuring apt-build? |
| 10:39.39 | eigar | hmm. ok. Read it here https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fstab#Field_definitions -> defaults |
| 10:39.54 | simonlnu | bar__: dunno about you, but i think you're being too literal in your search >>> /usr/share/doc/sudo/examples/sample.sudoers |
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| 10:40.25 | arghx | lua_: for what target arch do you want to compile? |
| 10:41.01 | bar__ | simonlnu: That's a sample file! Not the default configuration file. |
| 10:41.17 | simonlnu | bar__: you might consider reading what the bot tells you with /msg dpkg search |
| 10:42.13 | simonlnu | bar__: yes but the default conf doesn't have much in it anyway. did you check /var/backups for it? |
| 10:42.22 | bar__ | simonlnu: Yeah, not there. |
| 10:42.37 | bar__ | simonlnu: I searched for /etc/sudoers with apt-file search /etc/sudoers, but it seems no package has it. |
| 10:42.37 | lua_ | arghx, It is an Intel Pentium P6100. When I installed Wheezy on it I installed linux 3.0.0-1-amd64 |
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| 10:42.41 | bar__ | that's weird. |
| 10:43.18 | babilen | walle: No swearing please |
| 10:43.21 | jelly | bar__: which debian release are you using? |
| 10:43.31 | simonlnu | generated... it's marked as a conffile now. which should change things. squeeze won't have this, and be generated from a template, iirc. |
| 10:43.36 | bar__ | jelly: Squeeze. |
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| 10:44.02 | bar__ | simonlnu: Where is that template ? What generates the actual file from the template ? :) |
| 10:44.06 | jelly | bar__: if you really want to know what happens when sudo is installed and no previous /etc/sudoers is present, read /var/lib/dpkg/info/sudo.postinst |
| 10:44.21 | bar__ | thanks |
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| 10:45.32 | simonlnu | it'll be in there like jelly said |
| 10:45.45 | bar__ | thanks jelly and simonlnu |
| 10:45.54 | bar__ | I had an empty /etc/sudoers, so aptitude reinstall sudo didn't do anything |
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| 10:46.14 | jelly | but you now rm-ed it and reinstalled? |
| 10:46.15 | bar__ | after reading /var/lib/dpkg/info/sudo.postinst, I deleted /etc/sudoers and reinstalled sudo. Now I have the default file :) Thanks |
| 10:46.16 | simonlnu | :/ |
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| 10:46.29 | arghx | lua_: and what kind of gcc option do you want? |
| 10:46.47 | simonlnu | arghx: one that'll read his mind :P |
| 10:46.52 | jelly | babilen: swearing is rude if we can't understand it! |
| 10:47.07 | mindbender1 | where and how does sh shell read it's env when starting up and how can I modify it. Also is it possible to get history in sh shell? |
| 10:47.51 | nevyn | um sh I don't think provides history |
| 10:47.52 | lua_ | arghx, I have years of experience running debian servers, but I do not know much about gcc |
| 10:47.53 | nevyn | bash does |
| 10:47.57 | simonlnu | dash isn't really meant to be run as a user shell |
| 10:48.15 | arghx | lua_: -march=native. then you will do benchmarks with your various compilations and see that it hasn't help a bit except wasting a lot of electricity and time compiling |
| 10:48.22 | mindbender1 | nevyn: ok |
| 10:48.48 | simonlnu | !gentoosmite foo |
| 10:48.49 | dpkg | spends 6 weeks recompiling foo, and when it's all done, foo runs no faster than previously |
| 10:48.50 | jelly | mindbender1: some environment variables are provided by the login process, some by /etc/profile* |
| 10:48.51 | mindbender1 | nevyn: do you know where it reads env from? |
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| 10:49.02 | nevyn | mindbender1: .profile |
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| 10:49.34 | mindbender1 | jelly: ok |
| 10:49.59 | mindbender1 | nevyn: which .profile specifically.. that of bash? |
| 10:50.06 | jelly | mindbender1: the login process usually uses pam_env, which in turn reads /etc/environment and /etc/default/locale |
| 10:50.16 | nevyn | mindbender1: apt-get install pinfo pinfo bash |
| 10:50.23 | nevyn | read the stuff on startup files |
| 10:50.32 | mindbender1 | ok |
| 10:51.11 | nevyn | you need bash-doc as well |
| 10:51.32 | lua_ | arghx, I didn't understand. Maybe I didn't explain correctly: I am installing apt-build and it gives me a list of archs in which I cannot found amd64 |
| 10:52.03 | lua_ | And I am quite lost |
| 10:52.06 | nevyn | mindbender1: pinfo is an info browser that works like lynx or a html browser. |
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| 10:52.41 | mindbender1 | nevyn: ok |
| 10:53.22 | walle | babilen: ??? |
| 10:53.22 | walle | babilen: sorry, put wrong place... :-( |
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| 10:54.02 | Gondrong-Ndezo | is there emerge (or ports system) like tool on debian ? |
| 10:54.13 | mindbender1 | nevyn: I get this error when I run 'pinfo bash' : Error: could not open info file, trying manual |
| 10:54.27 | mindbender1 | is that ok? |
| 10:54.36 | lua_ | Gondrong-Ndezo, apt? |
| 10:54.45 | Sevet | Gondrong-Ndezo: apt-get |
| 10:54.52 | Sevet | or aptitude |
| 10:55.17 | arghx | Gondrong-Ndezo: no. debian is a binary based distro, not a source based one |
| 10:55.22 | Gondrong-Ndezo | lua_, Sevet: i mean for source based compile |
| 10:55.44 | mindbender1 | it just opens the info in the usual style |
| 10:55.46 | Gondrong-Ndezo | arghx: i know... i think comparable tool like ports system |
| 10:55.47 | arghx | Gondrong-Ndezo: apt-get source plus dpkg-buildpackage and then dpkg -i. read the manuals |
| 10:55.58 | nevyn | mindbender1: did you install bash-doc ? |
| 10:56.09 | arghx | Gondrong-Ndezo: what letter of "no" is hard to understand? |
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| 10:56.20 | mindbender1 | no |
| 10:56.52 | arghx | !tell lua_ about pm |
| 10:56.58 | eigar | simonlnu: by "no". Did you mean it is not the defaults, or that it is not unique defaults for ext3? (rw,suid,dev,exec,auto,nouser,async) |
| 10:57.07 | mindbender1 | nevyn: I'm installing it.. meanwhile doesn't sh have it's own doc? |
| 10:57.19 | Gondrong-Ndezo | arghx: is apt-build powerfull enough compared to emerge/ports ? |
| 10:57.22 | arghx | mindbender1: what is sh on a linux system? |
| 10:57.33 | arghx | Gondrong-Ndezo: you really don't get it, do you? |
| 10:57.41 | nevyn | arghx: well on debian it's dash (or can be) |
| 10:57.44 | mindbender1 | arghx: the shell with $ prompt |
| 10:57.54 | arghx | nevyn: I know, you know, but I didn't ask you, did I? |
| 10:58.17 | jelly | mindbender1: sh has... man sh |
| 10:58.30 | mindbender1 | running 'ps -p $$' returns sh for the CMD column |
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| 10:58.37 | nevyn | the docs for bash describe the shell startup better than man sh |
| 10:58.37 | Gondrong-Ndezo | arghx: i have no play with apt-build before .. but a good understand on apt-get / aptitude |
| 10:59.06 | jelly | mindbender1: what does "readlink -f /bin/sh" say? Read that one's docs. |
| 10:59.17 | lua_ | arghx, I know more than one meaning of pm, if you cannot refer me to a guide, please tell me |
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| 10:59.52 | simonlnu | eigar: meaning that all the unix fses have those optins. man mount |
| 10:59.56 | simonlnu | options* |
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| 11:00.28 | mindbender1 | jelly: it says bin/dash |
| 11:00.36 | arghx | lua_: the part about not messaging people. askin in the channel |
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| 11:01.00 | arghx | lua_: so what arches does it give to you? |
| 11:01.38 | arghx | cause I cannot see any architectures I can select |
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| 11:02.00 | Twinkletoes | I don't mess with cron very often, but I always thought that /etc/crontab, had an extra field in it, so it was like 'time : user : comman', but no documentation I can find mentions the 'user' part |
| 11:02.17 | mindbender1 | jelly: I've never heard of dash before now |
| 11:02.29 | arghx | lua_: reading is underrated it seems. "If your architecture is not here, choose one and edit your configuration file (/etc/apt/apt-build.conf) by hand, and please do a wishlist bugreport. " |
| 11:03.09 | simonlnu | Twinkletoes: man 5 crontab does |
| 11:03.32 | jelly | !dash |
| 11:03.32 | dpkg | dash (formerly Debian Almquist shell) is a <POSIX> compliant shell, smaller than <bash> and offers faster script execution (decreasing boot time). For new installations of Squeeze and later releases, dash will be the default /bin/sh. To switch old Squeeze installations: "dpkg-reconfigure dash". To check if your existing scripts will work OK with dash, use checkbashisms from <devscripts> and see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh |
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| 11:03.56 | lua_ | arghx, I have read at forums that you have to deduce the name of the architecture |
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| 11:06.38 | SuperPhly | using ACLs, how do i specify the default owner/group of a file created in a directory? |
| 11:06.55 | simonlnu | the default acl |
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| 11:07.48 | SuperPhly | simonlnu: what do you mean? |
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| 11:08.08 | eigar | simonlnu: ok. Thanks. See it now. |
| 11:08.20 | eurisko | hi everyone i am having some problems with my rt2800 usb wireless card, i have the firmware installed, when i connect the card it shows up on dmesg, i can make the interface go up, but whenever i make a iwlist scan that wireless card doesn't list any network, what is missing? |
| 11:08.35 | simonlnu | SuperPhly: there's a default acl |
| 11:09.12 | eurisko | it says -> wlan1 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down |
| 11:09.13 | simonlnu | man getfacl |
| 11:09.54 | SuperPhly | simonlnu: http://pastie.org/2902710 |
| 11:09.58 | simonlnu | then try it, like getfacl somefile |
| 11:10.11 | SuperPhly | simonlnu: i've already done that |
| 11:10.19 | SuperPhly | but what ihave set right now, doesn't work |
| 11:10.51 | simonlnu | g-d javascript only pastebins... |
| 11:10.57 | lua_ | arghx, sorry for the inconvenience, I will build manually, my head is overheated ._. |
| 11:11.13 | lua_ | arghx, thanks for the help anyway |
| 11:11.13 | mic_p | hi all. i'm trying to use pam_exec. all works for local users, but when I try to use non existing local users, it don't show me the passwd insrted on stdin. how to continue? |
| 11:11.21 | arghx | lua_: no you don't. at least not with newer gcc versions. otherwise: use core2 |
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| 11:11.44 | simonlnu | wtf did you do there? |
| 11:11.56 | SuperPhly | when my regular user touches a file, it ends up being owned by user:user |
| 11:11.58 | SuperPhly | not root:share |
| 11:12.17 | negaduck | hi! i've just bought a card reader that is supposed to read sim cards. Do i need a kernel module to make it work? |
| 11:12.27 | simonlnu | sort out those acls first. |
| 11:12.30 | SuperPhly | even though i have default:user:root and default:group:share |
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| 11:13.45 | SuperPhly | ok, reset the acls with -b |
| 11:15.46 | SuperPhly | and the dir is root:share |
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| 11:17.11 | eurisko | http://pastebin.com/JQCHWXiD i can't found out why i can't list any network interface can someone give me a hint please |
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| 11:18.10 | simonlnu | don't do wifi so no clue |
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| 11:19.23 | eurisko | thanks anyway pal |
| 11:19.56 | arghx | eurisko: you have installed the firmware? |
| 11:20.28 | eurisko | yeah |
| 11:20.30 | SuperPhly | simonlnu: ok, so there's no way to enforce that new files created in a directoy by a user are "root:share" in ownership? |
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| 11:23.16 | eurisko | just to confirm i installed the firmware-ralink_0.34 , and now the dmesg says, requesting rt2870.bin , and i can bring the interface up , but with the iwlist scan i can't list a thing and i get a error on kern.log |
| 11:24.09 | Twinkletoes | What's the easiest way to prevent cron from starting a script if it hasn't finished from the last time? |
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| 11:26.09 | eigar | simonlnu: In /proc/mounts there is a line "rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0" , as I understand it that is kernel defaults and explains why there is no rw in fstab. |
| 11:27.03 | Twinkletoes | SuperPhly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setuid#setuid_and_setgid_on_directories |
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| 11:27.47 | Gerben | negaduck, A sim-card reader is quite specialized hardware. If it is USB it is unlikely you need a kernel module, but you might need some other driver in userspace insteed. Have you googled for other people with the same device on linux? |
| 11:28.00 | Gerben | *instead |
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| 11:30.28 | Gerben | Twinkletoes, start your script with if [ -f /tmp/some_check_file ] ; then exit ; fi ; touch /tmp/some_check_file |
| 11:30.42 | Gerben | and end with rm -f /tmp/some_check_file |
| 11:31.02 | Twinkletoes | Gerben: Ah, so done from within the script itself, not cron? - Thank you |
| 11:31.21 | Gerben | Twinkletoes, that would "work for me" |
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| 11:43.03 | mrtn_ | Does Debian(or GNU/Linux in general) use some sort of DNS cache? I mean in case I do "ping -qc1 irc.freenode.net" and then execute "ping -qc1 irc.freenode.net" once more, then in latter case there would be no actual queries to my DNS server? |
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| 11:45.29 | dwfreed | mrtn_: iirc, Linux doesn't do DNS caching itself, so each time you do something like ping a hostname, the kernel asks whatever DNS server you have set in /etc/resolv.conf for the IP address; now, this DNS server probably is caching |
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| 11:53.04 | iskywalker | Hi! |
| 11:53.53 | iskywalker | I am installing from windows, I got a step back in the installation and now it seems it hangs in the unpacking of popularity-contest |
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| 11:54.44 | iskywalker | so practically it was already unpacked and it is trying again and it hang, I cannot restart since the harddrive was already formatted... |
| 11:54.47 | iskywalker | any ideas? |
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| 11:55.20 | EyesIsServer | re-start the installion |
| 11:55.30 | EyesIsServer | burn a c and boot from that, then install it |
| 11:56.21 | simonlnu | you could also skip it then install/config it when it's ok |
| 11:56.31 | EyesIsServer | and that |
| 11:56.33 | iskywalker | I do not have any cd here (ok a burned dvd from windows but it wont help me!) |
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| 11:56.52 | iskywalker | Uhm.. can I kill any process and recover? |
| 11:57.06 | iskywalker | I am seeing the apt-install process |
| 11:57.08 | iskywalker | for example |
| 11:57.14 | EyesIsServer | kill -9 *bleh* |
| 11:57.17 | simonlnu | probably dpkg hung. check ps |
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| 11:57.28 | iskywalker | yes already dud |
| 11:57.29 | iskywalker | did |
| 11:57.50 | simonlnu | !kill-9 |
| 11:57.50 | dpkg | Do not use kill -9 unless you have to, because using it will keep the process from cleaning up temp files, closing sockets, informing its childs about its death and other nasty things. use "kill -15 <PID>" or "kill -2 <PID>" instead. If you didn't write the code, you probably don't want to use kill -9. |
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| 11:58.06 | simonlnu | 'childs'? |
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| 11:58.17 | iskywalker | lol |
| 11:58.24 | ikss_ | hello |
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| 11:59.02 | simonlnu | fixed |
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| 11:59.41 | simonsg | hi |
| 11:59.51 | simonlnu | could be dialog, whiptail, or some other porcess. check ps for something that starts with dpkg or perl |
| 11:59.56 | simonlnu | iskywalker: ^^ |
| 12:00.00 | simonsg | does it matter, in which subdir the .ko-files are located? |
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| 12:00.20 | EyesIsMine | !kill-9 |
| 12:00.20 | dpkg | Do not use kill -9 unless you have to, because using it will keep the process from cleaning up temp files, closing sockets, informing its children about its death and other nasty things. use "kill -15 <PID>" or "kill -2 <PID>" instead. If you didn't write the code, you probably don't want to use kill -9. |
| 12:00.28 | EyesIsMine | that's better |
| 12:00.33 | Blackvel | hi all. one question. some .deb installations (e.g postfix) autocreate users and groups. is it using adduser --disabled-login and --disabled-password? those users are not meant for login but to switch to non-priviliges uids (non-root) |
| 12:00.33 | simonlnu | depmod will find them, but to be orderly people put them in certain places |
| 12:01.07 | simonlnu | also the install process will put them in dirs according to where they are in the kernel source tree |
| 12:01.09 | Blackvel | when adding with adduser a new zarafa user (to avoid running as user) shall i just add --disabled-login? |
| 12:01.44 | simonlnu | sure, that's pretty common for system users also no-create-home |
| 12:01.50 | simonsg | i copy them on my own to the dir |
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| 12:04.25 | simonsg | so putten them in /lib/modules/VER/mymodules/ and running "depmod -a VER" will make them working !? |
| 12:04.28 | iskywalker | damn, now it wont continue... |
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| 12:04.47 | simonsg | *putting |
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| 12:28.16 | sKeiths | doing a lenny to squeeze update and got a 'Unable to migrate to dependency-based boot system'. there is a long list of stuff and I am unsure of what todo next. can anyone help me. http://paste.debian.net/146619/ |
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| 12:34.48 | iskywalker | damn, somehow it forgot my username and password and for the root also, anyideas which are the staqndard passwords? |
| 12:34.56 | iskywalker | after the installation |
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| 12:38.36 | iskywalker | something like http://www.debianadmin.com/forgot-root-password-or-reset-root-password-in-debian.html for grub? |
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| 12:39.27 | Nebukadneza | heho |
| 12:39.48 | Nebukadneza | does anyone in here happen to know whether (and if: how) it is possible to create two vlan devices with the same vlan (e.g. 2) on the same raw device? |
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| 12:40.05 | isodude | Hi, I was wondering about building the package libgmp-dev. I am building in a lvm schroot, where I'm building testing package against stable. But when I build libgmp-dev, it needs g++-4.4-multilib, which in its turn need libgmp-dev. How do you solve dependencies like that? |
| 12:40.38 | iskywalker | ok revocery shell does the trick |
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| 12:43.13 | jelly | Blackvel: and --system |
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| 12:45.19 | tziOm | I cant find pachage iptraf in 6.0.3, have updated packagelist, how come? |
| 12:45.50 | arghx | ,version iptraf |
| 12:45.52 | judd | Package: iptraf on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.0-6; squeeze: 3.0.0-7; sid: 3.0.0-8; wheezy: 3.0.0-8 |
| 12:46.08 | arghx | tziOm: pastebin apt-cache policy |
| 12:47.57 | tziOm | it has squeeze-updates/main amd64 and squeeze/updates/main .. |
| 12:48.57 | tziOm | http://pastebin.com/caB1Dv19 |
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| 12:52.48 | jelly | tziOm: but you don't seem to have an actual debian mirror in there |
| 12:53.10 | jelly | only backports (squeeze-updates) and security (squeeze/updates) |
| 12:53.12 | tziOm | how can I get that? probably caused by not having net while installing,. |
| 12:53.20 | jelly | !squeeze sources.list |
| 12:53.21 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 12:53.35 | jelly | tziOm: add that first deb ... line |
| 12:53.54 | jelly | tziOm: and comment out the cdrom line |
| 12:56.11 | tziOm | Why does debian rename vim to vi |
| 12:56.18 | tziOm | because vi is not vim and vim is not vi |
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| 12:56.39 | tziOm | I think the bad part is not beeing able to type vimn |
| 12:56.43 | tziOm | vim.. |
| 12:56.53 | tziOm | that vi is a symlink to vim is okl |
| 12:57.25 | jelly | tziOm: it does not "rename" it. There are several alternatives that provide "vi". |
| 12:57.38 | jelly | tziOm: ls -l `which vi` `which vim` |
| 12:57.51 | tziOm | it has no vim |
| 12:57.55 | tziOm | but vi is vim... |
| 12:57.57 | jelly | tziOm: install it, then. |
| 12:58.03 | tziOm | it is installed. |
| 12:58.10 | tziOm | but there is no bin called vim |
| 12:58.23 | bzed | tziOm: then its not installed |
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| 12:58.42 | bzed | tziOm: apt-get install vim and be happy |
| 12:58.43 | jelly | tziOm: the "vim" package is installed? |
| 12:59.03 | tziOm | vi is /etc/alternatives/vi => /usr/bin/vim.tiny .. aah.. |
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| 13:00.04 | jelly | there are other "vi"s |
| 13:00.04 | sKeiths | i am stuck at a screen . install the maintainers package, keep local version etc. it was a blue screen but now its sort of messed up. i have putty-ssh-screen-installer. i can't get past this screen |
| 13:00.06 | jelly | ,info nvi |
| 13:00.08 | judd | Package nvi (editors, optional) in squeeze/i386: 4.4BSD re-implementation of vi. Version: 1.81.6-8.1; Size: 254.5k; Installed: 620k; Homepage: http://www.kotnet.org/~skimo/nvi/ |
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| 13:02.58 | jelly | sKeiths: which command did you run? |
| 13:03.16 | sKeiths | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:03.34 | arghx | then what config file does it ask about? |
| 13:03.36 | sKeiths | but i think this is query about updating smb.conf |
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| 13:05.44 | sKeiths | i can move between the options and when i press enter it shows me the line, but executes none of them |
| 13:05.57 | jelly | sKeiths: does Ctrl-Z to suspend the process work? |
| 13:06.02 | sKeiths | yes |
| 13:06.08 | jelly | clear; fg |
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| 13:06.26 | jelly | then Ctrl-L and hope it gets correctly redrawn and works properly |
| 13:07.01 | sKeiths | putty must not be sending correct signals. |
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| 13:07.26 | sKeiths | i'll start a debian vm and ssh from it, see if that helps |
| 13:07.26 | jelly | sKeiths: how did ^Z just work, then |
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| 13:07.51 | sKeiths | when i do crlt-L it shows ^L onscreen in red |
| 13:07.56 | sKeiths | grey on red |
| 13:07.58 | jelly | even if it doesn't, you can break it with Ctrl-C, run dpkg --configure --pending, and rerun yout apt command |
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| 13:08.02 | bjoernb | hi |
| 13:08.16 | bjoernb | how do i change papersize for cups in debian to a4? |
| 13:08.24 | jelly | sKeiths: which debian release are you using? |
| 13:08.35 | sKeiths | upgrading from lenny to squeeze |
| 13:09.04 | bjoernb | i want to change it as default printing option. |
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| 13:10.25 | sKeiths | when i crtl-C it just shows ^C onscreen |
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| 13:15.52 | SandmanNet | So, I'm currently using Mac OS X server 10.4 for my mailserver, whichb in turn use postfix. I like the UI for adminsitering users and the mailserver - if I wanted to move to my debian box - what would I do? I.e. how would I migrate? |
| 13:16.39 | arghx | if you move the UI, why move? |
| 13:16.49 | arghx | sorry: if you like the UI |
| 13:17.19 | tziOm | how do I install a newer kernel on debian? |
| 13:17.48 | nkuttler | tziOm: why do you need a newer one? |
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| 13:17.54 | tziOm | ipset |
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| 13:18.03 | SandmanNet | Well, I'm moving from the colocation |
| 13:18.08 | petemc | SandmanNet: it should be just a matter of moving postfix and database config over |
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| 13:18.17 | nkuttler | tziOm: which release do you need? |
| 13:18.31 | SandmanNet | And I will host my mac servers in a less secure facility, and use debian for my production environment |
| 13:18.51 | tziOm | dont know when ipset modules was added to mainline, but late 2.6/early 3.0 |
| 13:19.08 | nkuttler | tziOm: well either install a backport or build your own, /msg dpkg kp |
| 13:19.11 | SandmanNet | pete: Right, but also - is there a nice way to configure postfix@debian outside of flat files? |
| 13:19.18 | nkuttler | tziOm: and /msg dpkg backports |
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| 13:19.39 | nkuttler | thinks flat file config is nice |
| 13:19.47 | petemc | SandmanNet: you have the same options on debian as you would on any other system in terms on using databases etc |
| 13:19.51 | tziOm | I would like to just build the kernel entirely by myself. |
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| 13:20.03 | nkuttler | !kp |
| 13:20.03 | dpkg | [kernel-package] To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>. |
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| 13:20.30 | babilen | tziOm: Also read http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
| 13:20.57 | tziOm | just dont see why I need a "debian-kernel-source" |
| 13:21.07 | tziOm | its not debian spesific |
| 13:21.14 | nkuttler | tziOm: you don't |
| 13:21.14 | tziOm | or any distro |
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| 13:22.11 | iskywalker | damn, is it possible to upgrade without external devices from 32 to 64 bit? |
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| 13:22.28 | petemc | iskywalker: you generally need to reinstall |
| 13:23.22 | iskywalker | ok, but without the external medium? |
| 13:23.27 | SandmanNet | petemc: yeah, that I understand, I was just curious about the UI for managing users and such. Since the Mac UI isn't available for Debian, I was curious about alternatives |
| 13:23.50 | iskywalker | I mean I could download all thing to my system and then boot it and install right? like the windows32 install from debian |
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| 13:24.18 | petemc | SandmanNet: i dont use any but im sure there are postfix admin web interfaces |
| 13:24.34 | SandmanNet | petemc: Right, I suppose I should google it |
| 13:24.43 | SandmanNet | petemc: First #debian, then Google :) |
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| 13:25.02 | nkuttler | iskywalker: look into debootstrap |
| 13:25.11 | tziOm | how would I just select a 3.6.38 kernel precompiled? |
| 13:25.28 | nkuttler | tziOm: 1. build a time machine |
| 13:25.38 | SandmanNet | 2. ???? |
| 13:25.40 | SandmanNet | 3. PROFIT! |
| 13:25.44 | tziOm | 2... for sure |
| 13:25.51 | tziOm | ;) |
| 13:25.57 | nkuttler | !tell tziOm about backports |
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| 13:31.05 | sKeiths | jelly: as crtl-c didn't get me out, i crtl-z'd out then kill apt-get. now, when i try the dpkg --configure --pending command you suggested i get dpkg: status database area is locked by another process |
| 13:31.54 | jelly | sKeiths: look for leftover dpkg or debconf processes. Don't kill them with -9 unless they really don't die any other way. |
| 13:32.58 | jelly | iotw, kill them normally first |
| 13:32.59 | sKeiths | whiptail --backtitle Package config seems likely |
| 13:33.14 | jelly | and its parent |
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| 13:34.28 | sKeiths | thanks, unlocked now |
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| 13:40.29 | sKeiths | thank you. i've reboot and i think i'm all squeeze now |
| 13:41.26 | killfoo | what tool would you suggest to monitor traffic for ca 2h and get a nice statistic as a result (what host communicated to what host and how many MB where transfered)? |
| 13:43.35 | abrotman | killfoo: ntop might do that for you |
| 13:44.31 | killfoo | abrotman hm that is a good idea. but it is for a productive server and I need this only once for an analysis.. i d prefer a command line tool like iptraf |
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| 13:46.38 | abrotman | so use iptraf ? |
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| 13:48.46 | killfoo | abrotman I d prefer a tool that saves the data (pcap of flow, whatever) and lets me to some further analysis on the saved data later on |
| 13:48.54 | killfoo | iptraf is only real time |
| 13:48.56 | Sevet | tshark |
| 13:49.05 | Sevet | or tcpdump |
| 13:49.10 | Sevet | they'll store pcaps |
| 13:49.53 | killfoo | Sevet do they provide functionality to make statistics quickly? |
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| 13:51.55 | jelly | no, those are capturing tools. Do stats with something else |
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| 13:52.58 | abrotman | th9inks someone left out a lot of "needs" stating the original question :)_ |
| 13:53.07 | killfoo | jelly got an idea for such tools |
| 13:53.36 | Sevet | both can write a pcap file you can load in wireshark |
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| 13:55.17 | Sevet | use the -s option to only capture enough of packets to let wireshark see the ip/tcp headers so the pcap file stays a reasonable size |
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| 14:03.04 | jelly | zabka: do you have the latest tzdata installed? |
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| 14:03.07 | killfoo | Sevet, abrotman, jelly: ok tcpdump/wireshark is my choice |
| 14:03.09 | jelly | ,versions tzdata |
| 14:03.12 | judd | Package: tzdata on i386 -- lenny: 2011k-0lenny1; squeeze: 2011k-0squeeze1; lenny-volatile: 2011n-0lenny1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2011n-0squeeze1; squeeze-updates: 2011n-0squeeze1; sid: 2011n-1; wheezy: 2011n-1 |
| 14:03.54 | jelly | !tell zabka about proposed-updates |
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| 14:05.09 | jelly | really, they COULD have used a different name of the volatile replacement instead of one that can be confused with both security and proposed-updates repos |
| 14:05.21 | jelly | !tell zabka about squeeze-updates |
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| 14:07.06 | killfoo | Sevet I will not use -s becasue I also want to know the contect - but thx for the tip |
| 14:08.52 | abrotman | jelly:file a bug! |
| 14:08.56 | bjoernb | /etc/papersize was set to a4, it was just some tex that got wrong parameters to export to pdf. the pdf was letter, not a4. |
| 14:09.04 | bjoernb | no help needed anymore. thx. |
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| 14:11.20 | brah | Hi. I installed Debian Squeeze from a USB stick, and it seems the Grub install part goofed up. |
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| 14:11.28 | brah | I've now booted using Supergrub, how do I install grub correctly? |
| 14:12.24 | arghx | !tell brah about fixgrub |
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| 14:13.31 | brah | Assuming I've already logged into the Debian installation, I can just run 'update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever'. |
| 14:13.48 | brah | I wonder if this will work with osprober. |
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| 14:20.32 | K6ORJ2 | I was having trouble getting grub to install on my system. I am not sure if this is what did it but I moved the root partition to the front of the drive and removed the boot partition. |
| 14:20.50 | EyesIsMine | no rly |
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| 14:22.55 | brah | K6ORJ2: I believe you will get Grub to run, but it won't be able to bootstrap anything since there is no kernel boot image. |
| 14:23.45 | stew | you wont get grub to run, since grub stage 2 was in /boot |
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| 14:24.31 | K6ORJ2 | Okay well that was my problem then. It works fine now. |
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| 14:24.53 | smose | hi! i have an interesting problem with squeeze live-dvd: it does not boot when hdd is connected. both dvd and hdd are ide. any suggestions? |
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| 14:25.15 | brah | arghx: After running update-grub && grub-install it found my 3 boot images (Debian, Debian su, Windows) but it is still saying 'No bootable device' |
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| 14:25.29 | K6ORJ2 | Is brah using a boot partition? I wonder? |
| 14:25.33 | smose | i have switched jumpers and drives. |
| 14:25.36 | brah | No. |
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| 14:26.52 | K6ORJ2 | Sorry you are helping someone else I thought you had the problem. |
| 14:27.18 | K6ORJ2 | But that might be his problem. |
| 14:27.34 | brah | Wait what. Me? I can't get Grub to run. I keep having to boot using a SuperGrub CD. |
| 14:28.09 | abrotman | brah: you chroot into the system .. and update-grub and run grub install and install it to /dev/sda for example .. os-prober may also help |
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| 14:29.02 | brah | I am already -in- the system. |
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| 14:29.28 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:30.56 | scud | To any Debian developers. Thanks for letting the Ubuntu people bum off your hard work. It works great. |
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| 14:31.29 | brah | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/bWePU08G |
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| 14:34.12 | brah | It obviously wiped the MBR since our boy Windows used to boot. Now I get 'No bootable device' |
| 14:34.32 | K6ORJ2 | lol scud, my friends ask why I run Debian and not Ubuntu. But it is a two way street I know stuff trickles back up to Debian. |
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| 14:36.08 | jelly | K6ORJ2: "because it works" |
| 14:36.56 | abrotman | brah: and? |
| 14:37.18 | brah | abrotman: What do you mean 'and?', it won't boot. |
| 14:37.29 | abrotman | and why not? |
| 14:37.34 | abrotman | is there an error? does it find grub ? |
| 14:37.35 | smose | anyone has any solutions to problems with disk drives? |
| 14:37.49 | abrotman | they die ? |
| 14:38.03 | brah | [11:33] <brah> After running update-grub && grub-install it found my 3 boot images (Debian, Debian su, Windows) but it is still saying 'No bootable device' |
| 14:38.08 | abrotman | brah: that all seems normal to me .. anything odd about your setup ? |
| 14:38.20 | brah | Not really. I installed Debian off a pen drive. |
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| 14:38.41 | brah | Which the installer listed as /dev/sdb, so I don't see why grub didn't install properly. |
| 14:38.43 | abrotman | but nothing like lvm+mdraid+cryptfs+ntfs ? |
| 14:38.54 | brah | No. Nothing weird at all. |
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| 14:39.35 | Maiku-kun | hi all |
| 14:39.39 | abrotman | but supergrub can boot it just find ? |
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| 14:39.47 | abrotman | fine |
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| 14:39.58 | brah | Yep. I use the 'find grub.cfg' option. Let me check the real name of that option. |
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| 14:40.50 | brah | I use 'Detect any GRUB2 configuration file (grub.cfg)' and it shows me my Grbu2. |
| 14:40.57 | Maiku-kun | how should I make mpd play sound for specified sound card output only? I tried mixer_control, but it does not help |
| 14:41.24 | abrotman | brah: fresh install ? |
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| 14:41.43 | abrotman | IOW, not an upgrade from lenny |
| 14:42.11 | brah | Yep. Now, something weird. Supergrub finds '(hd0,msdos2)/boot/grub/core.img' |
| 14:42.12 | K6ORJ2 | Jelly my debian system works even if you have to kick it every once in awhile |
| 14:42.16 | brah | Is that msdos2 supposed to be there? |
| 14:42.35 | brah | I am certain I've used Ext3. |
| 14:42.41 | brah | Like fdisk -l shows. |
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| 14:42.54 | abrotman | that i don't know .. it is odd |
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| 14:46.19 | K6ORJ2 | Ubuntu, Debian without bugs. Now what kind of fun is that? |
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| 14:47.02 | jaalto | Is chattr(1) command specific to extN filesystsems only? |
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| 14:49.34 | brah | I have no idea of what is going on. |
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| 14:51.57 | abrotman | brah: do you have much data, care to try a reinstall? or no? |
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| 14:52.09 | abrotman | jaalto: as opposed to what other FS ? |
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| 14:53.09 | jaalto | abrotman: e.g. XFS -- I have a script that uses chattr +a, so would that fail on XFS? |
| 14:53.13 | brah | Sure I can reinstall, but it's not a sound solution. |
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| 14:53.50 | gypsymauro | hi, I've done a ls on a folder and I find a folder with this permissions: drwxrws---+ what's the meaning of the +? |
| 14:53.53 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there every one ... using kde here in stable .... but i cant change settings in kdm ( login manager settings in system settings ) ... how can i ? |
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| 14:59.05 | jonez | greetings. I wrote a script which does an ssh to a debian install then 'aptitude safe-upgrade'. this works great. what I'd like to know is what is the proper option to supply aptitude if I want it to upgrade 'apt' itself? |
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| 14:59.50 | wilfredor | How I to know the apache user? |
| 14:59.59 | stew | jonez: we'd discourage you from automating upgrades |
| 15:00.08 | abrotman | jaalto: i don't think it would |
| 15:00.27 | abrotman | wilfredor: www-data |
| 15:00.28 | stew | wilfredor: its www-data unless you changed /etc/apache2/envvars |
| 15:00.40 | wilfredor | ok thanks |
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| 15:01.01 | jonez | stew, I don't want to automate anything that is unsafe. I wrote a script to do this only because I have 3-4 machines to maintain. |
| 15:01.22 | stew | jonez: "safe-upgrade" is fine then |
| 15:01.36 | jonez | when I do that some updates get held back |
| 15:01.44 | stew | jonez: then use "full-upgrade" |
| 15:02.11 | stew | jonez: btw, in order to upgrade multiple machines in parallel, I recommend clusterssh |
| 15:02.23 | abrotman | judd: info dsh |
| 15:02.24 | judd | Package dsh (net, optional) in squeeze/i386: dancer's shell, or distributed shell. Version: 0.25.10-1; Size: 34.1k; Installed: 92k |
| 15:02.45 | jonez | stew, cool. ty for the tip |
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| 15:03.22 | brah | Would it help if I pasted my grub.cfg? |
| 15:03.24 | stew | i like clusterssh better than dsh, because you can interact with the machines individually, midstream |
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| 15:03.57 | pizza_biz | gypsymauro: looks like it means there's an ACL associated, e.g. selinux. |
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| 15:05.52 | brah | Mother of god I've installed Debian a thousand times with no issues... |
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| 15:10.16 | gypsymauro | pizza_biz: oh great :) in fact there are ACL |
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| 15:10.59 | jonez | stew, can I script it like I can with regular ssh? |
| 15:11.18 | jonez | I installed it, ran it, and the only thing it did was launch xterms. |
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| 15:11.48 | stew | jonez: i don't think so |
| 15:11.54 | stew | jonez: and I don't think you should script upgrades |
| 15:12.09 | stew | especially since you aren't running stable |
| 15:12.10 | vahid | how remove rhythmbox in squeeze debian with out removing gnome ? |
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| 15:12.30 | jonez | stew, I am running stable.. at least I hope so :) |
| 15:12.34 | jonez | squeeze is stable, right? |
| 15:12.43 | stew | jonez: then you shouldn't be getting packages held back during an upgrade |
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| 15:13.00 | jonez | it makes sense that a "safe upgrade" would skip packages like apt |
| 15:13.13 | jonez | I found the --action option to cssh |
| 15:13.14 | vahid | ;( |
| 15:13.39 | stew | vahid: http://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article8/uninstall-meta-package |
| 15:13.42 | stew | jonez: no, it doesn't |
| 15:13.48 | stew | jonez: safe-upgrade doesn't mean what you think it means |
| 15:14.21 | jonez | that's a bummer. what does it *actually* mean :) |
| 15:14.48 | stew | jonez: that only upgrades which doen't require packages to be removed should be performed |
| 15:15.03 | jonez | ah |
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| 15:15.12 | stew | jonez: its similar to the apt-get "upgrade" option which would also avoid installing new packages |
| 15:15.31 | stew | jonez: and the list of dependencies of packages should not be changing in stable except for very rare cases |
| 15:15.35 | jonez | my script runs "aptitude safe-upgrade" |
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| 15:15.48 | stew | jonez: what was held back? |
| 15:15.51 | stew | jonez: apt? |
| 15:16.04 | jonez | it's possible that the update to apt was from a while bak |
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| 15:16.33 | stew | jonez: the last update to apt in stable was in april |
| 15:17.08 | jonez | ah.. I see what happened. these are VMs. the image has lenny, and I did a quick hack to sources.list followed by an 'aptitude safe-upgrade'. |
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| 15:17.29 | jonez | to get to squeeze. that was probably not the right procedure :) |
| 15:17.32 | stew | so you are in the middle of a botched upgrade to squeeze |
| 15:17.50 | stew | jonez: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 15:19.02 | stew | and so i REALLY don't recommend an unattended partial upgrade from lenny to squeeze :) |
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| 15:20.35 | gypsymauro | pizza_biz: tank you |
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| 15:21.21 | orudie | i just got a .tar.gz package, any help on installing it ? |
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| 15:21.49 | abrotman | tar -zxf .. read the INSTALL file .. have fun! |
| 15:21.50 | jonez | stew, that is not was I was doing. |
| 15:21.52 | stew | orudie: it should have a README and/or INSTALL |
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| 15:22.41 | jonez | stew, when I turned up the VM, I used a lenny image and upgraded it to squeeze. the bot had a couple of steps that I did not follow, and I will run them on each of the machines. my script just does updates to packages, not the entire distro upgrade :) |
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| 15:24.58 | iandalton | How can I find why a package is auto-installed? Or rather, how can I find what installed packages recommend said package? |
| 15:25.03 | I_Died_Once | hey, i have a crazy questionon how, or even if i should go about it... |
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| 15:25.23 | I_Died_Once | i found a hard drive i would rather use in my current system over the one i have in now.... |
| 15:25.43 | abrotman | iandalton: aptitude why foo |
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| 15:25.51 | I_Died_Once | one is a 160 gig and the other is a 250 gig, i wanna use the 250... |
| 15:26.21 | I_Died_Once | the question, is would i be fine booting into a copy of knoppix and "dd" and copy the hard drive.... |
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| 15:26.32 | kurkale6ka | Hi, whenever I have a new account on a remote host I scp -r ~/config/{bashfiles,vimfiles} host:/home/account/config. the problem is I always have to ssh beforehand and create config. Wouldn't there be a better way? |
| 15:26.34 | stew | lorenzosu: "aptitude why packagename" and "aptitude search '?reverse-recommends(packagename)'" |
| 15:26.55 | I_Died_Once | and if i did that, it should still work like the other one, right? |
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| 15:27.39 | jhutchins_lt | I_Died_Once: I would copy the files with rsync rather than dd, and then chroot and do grub-install. |
| 15:27.44 | stew | I_Died_Once: yes, but you will only be using 160 gigs until you resize partitions and filesystems |
| 15:28.05 | jhutchins_lt | dd will give you a 160g partition (or whatever it is), then you'll have to use something like gparted to expand it. |
| 15:28.14 | iandalton | abrotman: that's it. thanks |
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| 15:39.06 | vahid | stew: may problem not solved |
| 15:39.20 | vahid | how remove rhythmbox in squeeze debian with out removing gnome ? |
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| 15:39.44 | vahid | how remove rhythmbox in squeeze debian with out removing gnome ? |
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| 15:40.07 | stew | vahid: you cannot, gnome depends on rythmbox. you can, however remove the gnonme package without losing any functionality, since its just a meta-package that provides no functionality other than to depend on other packages |
| 15:40.43 | stew | vahid: these instructions should help you to remove the rythmbox, gnome, and gnome-desktop-environment packages without removing other packages |
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| 15:42.22 | stevieman | I'm looking to drop certain outgoing connections using iptables, does this look correct "$IPTABLES -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 194 -j DROP" |
| 15:42.30 | stew | vahid: if you run "dpkg -L gnome" you will get a list of files that would be removed by removing the gnome package. |
| 15:43.12 | stew | stevieman: yes, it might be nicer to people behind the firewall to make that -j RELECT instead of -j DROP |
| 15:43.53 | stevieman | stew: I guess reject would let them know and drop would leave them hanging? |
| 15:44.04 | stew | yes |
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| 15:44.40 | vahid | stew: nothing package in dpkg -L gnome |
| 15:44.58 | stevieman | stew: I'll keep that in mind :) Nah I'll make the change and be nice |
| 15:45.12 | vahid | stew: output is : /usr/share/doc and /usr/shar/bug |
| 15:45.32 | stew | vahid: right, I was hoping this would demonstrate that removing the gnome package is not a big deal |
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| 15:46.25 | vahid | stew: when remove rhytmbox aptitude say remove gonme |
| 15:46.37 | stew | vahid: yes. gnome depends on rythmbox |
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| 15:47.26 | tensorpudding | gnome is just a metapackage |
| 15:47.31 | Sevet | `1 |
| 15:47.39 | tensorpudding | having that metapackage installed just means you have all the dependencies of gnome |
| 15:48.00 | tensorpudding | removing rhythmbox would necessitate removing gnome, since gnome requires rhythmbox |
| 15:48.38 | vahid | revers dep |
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| 15:49.10 | stew | yes, gnome is a reverse dependency of rhythmbox |
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| 15:49.58 | vahid | aptitude unmarkauto '?reverse-recommend(gnome)' |
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| 15:50.21 | vahid | aptitude unmarkauto '?reverse-depends(gnome-core)' |
| 15:50.41 | vahid | aptitude unmarkauto '?reverse-depends(gnome)' |
| 15:51.08 | vahid | the instruction not worked |
| 15:51.18 | stew | vahid: what makes you think they didn't work? |
| 15:52.02 | stew | vahid: that should be reverse-recommends not reverse-recommend |
| 15:52.46 | vahid | stew: yes i use it and not work |
| 15:52.59 | stew | vahid: be more specific. how do you know it didn't work? |
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| 15:53.26 | vahid | stew: network-manager removed |
| 15:53.51 | vahid | stew: 4 or 5 package removed |
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| 15:54.08 | stew | vahid: aptitude unmarkauto network-manager |
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| 15:55.02 | vahid | stew: no resulat |
| 15:55.15 | vahid | resualt |
| 15:55.27 | stew | vahid: what do you mean? |
| 15:55.51 | vahid | No packages will be installed, ....... |
| 15:56.04 | stew | vahid: from the unmarkauto command? |
| 15:56.17 | vahid | stew: yes |
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| 15:56.51 | stew | vahid: good. its not supposed to install any packages. its just supposed to mark the packages as manually installed so it won't be removed when pacakges which depend on it are removed |
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| 16:01.05 | I_Died_Once | goodness, the last time i used dd i dont remember the syntax being THAT coimplicated |
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| 16:01.22 | stew | I_Died_Once: you dont need it, you can just "cp /dev/from /dev/to" |
| 16:01.31 | zipR4ND | hi all, how can i install debian 6 squeeze, when i need the atl1 driver ? |
| 16:01.49 | stew | I_Died_Once: you only need to use dd if you are using the more complicated arguments to limit how much data you copy, or to transform the data during the copy |
| 16:02.17 | I_Died_Once | i have a windows partition on there that needs to be copied to |
| 16:02.26 | I_Died_Once | i was wanting to copy the entire device |
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| 16:02.37 | stew | I_Died_Once: yes, cp copies entire devices if you tell it to |
| 16:03.19 | stew | I_Died_Once: cp and dd do the same thing, open source, target, copy all bytes until you run out of bytes or out of room. dd also has options to limit how much you copy and to transform the data, but you don't need any of these, you just need to copy everything, which cp does |
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| 16:05.17 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Wait, cp copies by file, dd copies by block. |
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| 16:06.26 | stew | jhutchins_lt: they both copy by block. with dd you can control how many and the size. he doesn't need any of this |
| 16:06.42 | jhutchins_lt | rsync can be restarted. |
| 16:06.48 | stew | cp tries to guess an optimum block size and uses that without you having the ability to control it |
| 16:09.13 | aPpYe | I am trying to figure out how to make a debian system re-query dns (in a MS AD domain, with MS dns servers) ... There is a specific box that it is not able to resolve. None of the windows machines are having a problem finding it... |
| 16:09.25 | aPpYe | something like ipconfig /flushdns in ms? |
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| 16:10.16 | stew | aPpYe: dns isn't cached by linux unless you are specifially running a caching nameserver which you are querying or you have an application which is caching dns |
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| 16:10.35 | stew | aPpYe: firefox, for instance, will cache dns, restarting it should work, as should shift+refresh |
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| 16:10.58 | stew | (or is it ctrl+refresh?) |
| 16:11.37 | aPpYe | stew, I am running nagios, and it is not seeing the hostname. also, ping does not find it. It is able to resolve all the other hostnames on our network... |
| 16:12.07 | stew | aPpYe: then I'd check the nameserver listed in /etc/resolv.conf for problems |
| 16:12.11 | Mullie | How do I do if I want from php be able to run a script as another user? Like sudo -u another_user command? |
| 16:12.18 | Mullie | How do I need to config sudo to be able to do that? |
| 16:12.21 | sKeiths | it there a s(mv) smv or do you need to scp then rm? |
| 16:12.57 | stew | Mullie: write a script that runs "php /path/to/whatever" and give them sudo access to run this script |
| 16:13.06 | aPpYe | stew, but how to explain the other ms boxes on the network correctly resolving the hostname? |
| 16:13.28 | Mullie | stew: hm, how do you mean? |
| 16:13.39 | stew | I don't care to expain what ms boxes might or might not be doing |
| 16:13.47 | aPpYe | great ... |
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| 16:14.07 | stew | aPpYe: all I can tell you is that your os doesn't cache dns responses |
| 16:14.41 | stew | aPpYe: whatever nameserver you are querying might. or perhaps you are getting results from /etc/hosts instead of dns (or whereever else nsswhich.conf is configured) |
| 16:14.55 | zipR4ND | so are there no working drivers for the attansic atl1 network cards, in debian squeeze? |
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| 16:15.13 | stew | Mullie: you want to run a php script using sudo, but you don't want to give sudo access to all of php (because then they can do ANYTHING as the other user, not just this script) |
| 16:15.36 | stew | Mullie: so create a script that runs the php script, and then you can give sudo access to just this script |
| 16:15.47 | stew | zipR4ND: what is the pci vendorID:deviceID? |
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| 16:16.09 | zipR4ND | Device 1083 |
| 16:16.11 | Mullie | stew: Ok and the first script is owned by www-data? |
| 16:16.40 | zipR4ND | stew: Attansic Technology Corp. Device 1083 (rev c0) |
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| 16:17.03 | stew | Mullie: wait, what? no, www-data should not own files unless your webserver needs to be able to modify them |
| 16:17.15 | stew | Mullie: are you actually having the webserver run this? |
| 16:17.26 | aPpYe | stew is this a correctly formatted resolv.conf? http://pastebin.com/f0fdx5KH |
| 16:17.47 | stew | aPpYe: yes |
| 16:18.02 | stew | zipR4ND: can you get the vendorID from "lspci -n"? |
| 16:18.09 | Mullie | stew: ok. the webserver shall run a php-script that calls for git pull as another user (than www-data). That is what I want to accomplish with sudo -u another_user.. |
| 16:18.13 | stew | zipR4ND: i'm expecting something like "1234:1083" |
| 16:18.26 | zipR4ND | lspci -v ? |
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| 16:18.38 | zipR4ND | ah |
| 16:18.49 | aPpYe | I have nothing in the hosts file other than defaults. In the past, when I have had this problem, I would add the machine to /etc/hosts and leave it there for a few days. After removing it and restarting the server, it would still resolve... |
| 16:18.57 | searching | debian virtualhost? |
| 16:18.59 | zipR4ND | stew: 1969:1083 |
| 16:19.08 | stew | judd: pciid 1969:1083 |
| 16:19.10 | judd | [1969:1083] is 'AR8151 v2.0 Gigabit Ethernet' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'atl1c' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:1083 |
| 16:19.18 | aPpYe | stew it usually occurs when I change the ip of a machine that is in the AD... |
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| 16:20.01 | stew | aPpYe: do you get the right answer when you query 172.16.0.39 |
| 16:20.14 | stew | aPpYe: ...directly, using nslookup or dig or host or something? |
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| 16:20.44 | aPpYe | stew, can you give me the command? I am not versed in those. just ping. |
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| 16:21.02 | stew | nslookup something 172.16.0.39 |
| 16:22.07 | zipR4ND | judd: so can i get it to work with the netinst cd? |
| 16:22.20 | aPpYe | stew, neither of them find it. I actually need to remove 41 from the list. That was an old server we no longer have. |
| 16:22.45 | stew | aPpYe: if nslookup gives you the wrong answer, then the 172.16.0.39 is to blame |
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| 16:23.52 | stew | aPpYe: you cannot with the default netinst, no. you could try the kmuto installer to see if that kernel has support: /msg dpkg kmuto ; or you could build your own installer: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
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| 16:24.49 | aPpYe | stew, okay. I still don't understand though ... how is it that the windows boxes get the correctly updated answer? I am guessing active directory is doing something that dns does not. uhh... I think that last message was meant for someone else. |
| 16:24.58 | aPpYe | oh well, thanks. |
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| 16:25.15 | stew | oops |
| 16:25.19 | stew | zipR4ND: you cannot with the default netinst, no. you could try the kmuto installer to see if that kernel has support: /msg dpkg kmuto ; or you could build your own installer: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
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| 16:25.27 | stew | aPpYe: i don't know how windows boxes work, sorry |
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| 16:28.57 | Mullie | stew: Do you understand? Would you mind help me? :) |
| 16:29.37 | stew | Mullie: yes, create a script that does the git pull. give www-data access to run that script |
| 16:29.58 | Mullie | with sudo? |
| 16:30.18 | stew | Mullie: yes. then make your php page run "sudo -u whatever /path/to/your/script" |
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| 16:30.55 | Mullie | stew: and that to do it possible to JUST run what that script runs? |
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| 16:35.51 | stew | Mullie: yes. this is why you want to use a script. you cannot limit what arguments they pass to a command. so if you were to make the mistake of giving them sudo access to "git" then an attacker is able to run "sudo -u someuser git --wor-tree=/home/someuser clone somethingelse" and start overwriting arbitrary files |
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| 16:36.27 | Mullie | stew: yeah, 755 is good permissions for the script? |
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| 16:37.16 | stew | Mullie: yes, unless it contains sensitive data, in which case 700 |
| 16:37.41 | Mullie | stew: ok, no just "git pull" |
| 16:37.57 | stevieman | I'm drawing a blank on how to grep a log file for a specific entry ie a user login |
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| 16:38.28 | Mullie | stew: then how do I give access for www-data to sudo a specific user to run that script? |
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| 16:39.56 | stew | Mullie: use visudo to edit /etc/sudoers. the format of the file is documented in "man sudoers", but you are going to want something like "www-data ALL=NOPASSWD:/path/to/script" |
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| 16:42.47 | Mullie | stew: ok |
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| 16:44.16 | ChristianAdamski | Hi, I am trying to upgrade from lenny to squeeze. Installation breaks with a strange error: cp: „/lib/firmware/aic94xx-seq.fw“ und „/tmp/mkinitramfs_WyLYoR/lib/firmware/aic94xx-seq.fw“ are the same file. What could I do? |
| 16:44.35 | ChristianAdamski | Google couldn't give me a solution |
| 16:44.41 | soapee01 | can someone kindly point me to some docs that explain what the "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian main" repository is? Is this some shortcut to sid or experimental package backports for squeeze? |
| 16:45.10 | valdyn | soapee01: its not, its wrong |
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| 16:46.05 | stew | soapee01: it should say somehting like sid or experimental or squeeze before "main" |
| 16:46.09 | soapee01 | valdyn: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/php5/ shows packages without a codename... |
| 16:46.13 | nkuttler | soapee01: see also man 5 sources.list |
| 16:46.17 | Mullie | stew: when I do that it asks for password.. Like this: "[sudo] password for www-data" |
| 16:46.25 | Mullie | stew: that is not possible! :O |
| 16:46.35 | valdyn | soapee01: what does one have to do with the other? |
| 16:46.50 | stew | soapee01: yes, the pool is not specific to any one release. all the files for all the releases are shared in the pool |
| 16:46.58 | valdyn | soapee01: *everything* is in pool, but pool is not a repository for your sources.list file |
| 16:47.08 | nkuttler | Mullie: debian doesn't give you any sudo commands by default. so run visudo as root and man 5 sudoers |
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| 16:47.25 | stew | Mullie: then i think you put the wrong line in sudoers |
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| 16:47.45 | Mullie | stew: I did copy your :) |
| 16:47.48 | soapee01 | understood valdyn. I've just never noticed anything in pool that doesn't have a tag (eg _squeeze-amd64) |
| 16:47.57 | stew | Mullie: show me your line, and the command you executed |
| 16:47.57 | valdyn | soapee01: a deb ... line is used to reference a Packages file, not packages |
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| 16:48.17 | Mullie | stew: www-data ALL=NOPASSWD:/home/user/git_pull.sh |
| 16:48.17 | soapee01 | valdyn I understand that. |
| 16:48.18 | valdyn | soapee01: that Packages file then contains the location of packages |
| 16:48.43 | mumble | hello ..can someone help me to solve MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: filter video |
| 16:48.54 | Mullie | stew: cd /home/user/www.se/content/ && sudo -u user /home/user/git_pull.sh |
| 16:48.57 | stew | Mullie: oh, i forgot to include the Runas part |
| 16:49.18 | soapee01 | valdyn: reference: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=70279 |
| 16:49.25 | Mullie | stew: Runas? |
| 16:49.32 | soapee01 | I've just never seen a sources.list line like that before. |
| 16:49.36 | stew | Mullie: the thing that ways www-data may use "-u user" |
| 16:49.59 | valdyn | soapee01: that line is wrong |
| 16:50.10 | stew | soapee01: the person is giving out bad information |
| 16:50.13 | Mullie | stew: ah! |
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| 16:50.40 | soapee01 | vladyn/stew: good to know. It just *looked* like a very weird thing to do. |
| 16:52.06 | ChristianAdamski | Can anybody give my a hint about that firmware problem? I am stuck :( |
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| 16:52.58 | stew | soapee01: that line would say that apt should download http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/main/Release which doesn't exist |
| 16:53.06 | jordanm | ChristianAdamski: try putting your full command and the entire output in a pastebin |
| 16:53.24 | mumble | MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: filter video - can someone help me solve that issue ? |
| 16:53.57 | Mullie | stew: did you find any solution how to do to not be asked for password? |
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| 16:54.07 | ChristianAdamski | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/b4VcXf5m |
| 16:54.17 | stew | Mullie: no, i didn't look. look for Runas in the sudoers manpage |
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| 16:54.45 | photon | Hi. How long is the upcoming stable release supported? I've read that the next Ubuntu release will be supported for 5 years and I'm wondering if a similar time span is considered for Debian 7.0. |
| 16:54.52 | stew | mumble: that's a segfault. you'd have to rebuild stuff with debug information and run it in a debugger |
| 16:55.11 | soapee01 | stew: thanks for the info |
| 16:55.13 | jordanm | !tell ChristianAdamski about localized errors |
| 16:55.23 | soapee01 | valdyn: t/y as well. |
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| 16:56.48 | ChristianAdamski | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/hbR2wKSU |
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| 16:56.56 | sHOck^^ | ?? |
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| 16:57.24 | jordanm | ChristianAdamski: what release are you running that is installing a .29 kernel? |
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| 16:58.04 | ChristianAdamski | I am trying to upgrade from lenny to squeeze. This error occured during apt-get update, but before apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:58.07 | stew | initramfs-tools is from squeeze |
| 16:58.27 | ChristianAdamski | "apt-get upgrade" that is |
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| 16:59.06 | Seb | dist-upgrade is the proper way to upgrade from one stable to the next unless I'm mistaken ? |
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| 16:59.30 | stew | Seb: that is one command in a long list of things taht are recommended you do |
| 16:59.48 | stew | (the recommended procedure is in chapter 4 of the squeeze release notes) |
| 17:00.13 | jordanm | ChristianAdamski: what does dpkg -S /lib/firmware/aic94xx-seq.fw output? |
| 17:00.17 | stew | which has you do something like upgrade, upgrade kernel, udev reboot, dist-upgrade... |
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| 17:00.28 | Seb | stew: sure, what I meant is that "apt-get upgrade" is extremely unlikely to succeed in getting you from one stable to the next |
| 17:00.41 | Seb | stew: oh I see your point |
| 17:00.51 | stew | Seb: yes, but it is somehting you do before upgrading the kerenl, before rebooting and before dist-upgrade |
| 17:00.57 | Seb | yeah gotcha |
| 17:01.38 | ChristianAdamski | qbus@Qlx1:/etc/apt$ sudo dpkg -S /lib/firmware/aic94xx-seq.fw -> adp94xx-firmware: /lib/firmware/aic94xx-seq.fw |
| 17:01.38 | ChristianAdamski | the file exists and is not empty |
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| 17:01.49 | jordanm | ,versions adp94xx-firmware |
| 17:01.51 | judd | No package named 'adp94xx-firmware' was found in i386. |
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| 17:02.38 | jordanm | ChristianAdamski: where did you get that package? |
| 17:02.49 | ChristianAdamski | it was already there |
| 17:03.06 | jordanm | ChristianAdamski: it doesn't appear to have came from debian |
| 17:03.09 | ChristianAdamski | I am following this guide: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 17:04.46 | jordanm | ChristianAdamski: is that package required for your disk controller to operate? |
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| 17:05.29 | ChristianAdamski | jordanm: I don't know, but I assume so |
| 17:05.45 | Mullie | stew: There I got it. Thanks! |
| 17:05.57 | ChristianAdamski | jordanm: I think I know where this comes from. Do you assume, that I need a new version of this? |
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| 17:06.08 | stew | ChristianAdamski: then you should figure out where it came from, and if there is a newer version of this package which is not buggy, and if not, you'll have to debug it |
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| 17:06.34 | jordanm | ChristianAdamski: what stew said. or its possible it is no longer required with newer kernels |
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| 17:06.53 | stew | we are assuming this is firmware for an adaptec scsi controller, right? |
| 17:07.12 | ChristianAdamski | Yes |
| 17:07.38 | jelly | ,file aic94xx-seq.fw |
| 17:07.41 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 17:08.00 | ChristianAdamski | I think I found the correct package from the vendor of the server |
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| 17:09.19 | ChristianAdamski | no :( I installed the latest package, but the error stays the same :( |
| 17:09.57 | jordanm | ChristianAdamski: I would suggest seeing if things function without it. be prepared to recover though |
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| 17:11.04 | stew | i don't know how that cp error comes up? a symlink from one directory to another? |
| 17:11.09 | ChristianAdamski | But why is it complaining anyway? It just states that the files are the same. Is that so bad? |
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| 17:11.47 | stew | its not bad except it might be a sign that the script is making some incorrect assumptions |
| 17:13.11 | photon | Hi. How long is the upcoming stable release supported? I've read that the next Ubuntu release will be supported for 5 years and I'm wondering if a similar time span is considered for Debian 7.0. I'm currently on Ubuntu and considering switching to Debian when the next stable release comes out. |
| 17:13.33 | stew | photon: a stable release is supported for one year after the subsequent release is made |
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| 17:14.19 | nkuttler | photon: that's how it's been until now though, not a guarantee |
| 17:14.26 | stew | !release history |
| 17:14.26 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06). The next release will be Wheezy. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives |
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| 17:14.51 | stew | photon: so lenny, released in 2009 is supported until 2012-02 which is one year after squeeze (the current stable) was released |
| 17:15.27 | stew | photon: as we won't know the release date of wheezy until perhaps a week before the release, we will not know the EOL date for squeeze |
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| 17:16.11 | photon | I see. So it gives you ample time to upgrade to the newer stable release. |
| 17:16.28 | jimcooncat | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.02 | ChristianAdamski | Hey, I was here before for the firmware problem. Internetconnection just dropped out. Anyway: this is the initramfs-hook of this firmware: can you see a problem: http://pastebin.com/JRNY1kR6 |
| 17:17.39 | nkuttler | jimcooncat: the from line should be set by phpbb or your php install. you should probably try phpbb support first |
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| 17:19.30 | fff | hi |
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| 17:19.52 | morlenxus | Hey folks |
| 17:20.00 | jimcooncat | nkuttler: thanks, I'm trying them too. I have a feeling it's the "mail" function and perhaps I need a different command |
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| 17:21.13 | morlenxus | I have a problem with Thinkpad W520 and Debian Testing: I can't booth without kernel option noacpi. Also X crashes the whole system when using nvidia or nouveau driver and running gl stuff. |
| 17:21.23 | morlenxus | Kernel is 3.1 (Debian) |
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| 17:23.24 | arghx | please do not run testing then |
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| 17:24.18 | ersok | hello, i need help. I've an acer c110 pico projector and i found a driver on this website : https://github.com/rettichschnidi/acerc11xdrv and i dont know how can i install it |
| 17:24.23 | ChristianAdamski | Hey, I got it! :D |
| 17:24.52 | nkuttler | ersok: doesn't it come with instructions? |
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| 17:25.07 | morlenxus | arghx: I need a newer version because stable doesn't support the hardware. |
| 17:25.16 | ersok | nkuttler, there was no instruction |
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| 17:25.44 | thisthat | so ive noticed with my wireless card in kde that i have a limited set of encryption options, this should not be the case where can i validate which encryption methods are supported? |
| 17:25.48 | nkuttler | morlenxus: what's your question anyway? |
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| 17:27.12 | morlenxus | Well how to fix the noacpi crash? |
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| 17:27.22 | nkuttler | ersok: you should probably contact the author |
| 17:27.35 | morlenxus | I mean x crash could be, because i bot without acpi, so i want to solve that first., |
| 17:27.35 | nkuttler | morlenxus: you can update your grub config |
| 17:27.36 | arghx | morlenxus: you are wrong. you need debian stable plus backports for kernel and xorg. /msg dpkg backports please try those before you try anything else |
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| 17:28.20 | morlenxus | arghx: ok, i try that, thanks |
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| 17:28.39 | morlenxus | nkuttler: And then? Why should i do that? |
| 17:28.46 | ersok | nkuttler, there is a readme file, but it contains no information about installation. Do you know how can i use the cmake command? |
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| 17:29.33 | roe | I need a little bit of help fixing a half-installed package: http://pastebin.com/iLzmPiVy |
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| 17:30.52 | jordanm | roe: try removing the links for mediatomb-daemon. update-rc.d remove mediatomb -f |
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| 17:32.04 | roe | no change |
| 17:32.19 | jordanm | ,versions mediatomb |
| 17:32.20 | judd | Package: mediatomb on i386 -- lenny: 0.11.0-3; squeeze: 0.12.0~svn2018-6.1; sid: 0.12.1-2; sid-multimedia: 0.12.1-2.3; wheezy-multimedia: 0.12.1-2.3 |
| 17:32.32 | jordanm | roe: where are you getting the package? |
| 17:32.37 | roe | squeeze |
| 17:33.07 | roe | mediatomb: |
| 17:33.07 | roe | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.11 | stevieman | I have a couple of packages sitting that apt-get wants to install but I don't want them on the system. How do I remove them from the ap-get cue? |
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| 17:34.20 | jordanm | roe: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=577619 |
| 17:35.09 | jordanm | roe: apply that patch to /var/lib/dpkg/info/mediatomb-daemon.postinst |
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| 17:35.20 | stevieman | every Google search I do returns info on how to use apt-get to remove installed packages which not what I want to do |
| 17:35.22 | jordanm | roe: (or just manually make the change) |
| 17:35.30 | arghx | stevieman: apt-get remove ? |
| 17:35.40 | arghx | you do want that |
| 17:35.50 | roe | jordanm, it is really just changing that one line? |
| 17:35.51 | stevieman | arghx: does that not uninstall the package from the syste? |
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| 17:35.57 | jordanm | roe: should be |
| 17:36.03 | arghx | stevieman: you said you don't want them |
| 17:36.03 | roe | let me try |
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| 17:37.24 | roe | that did it |
| 17:37.25 | roe | thanks |
| 17:37.31 | stevieman | arghx: I am trying to install nmap but it says it wants to install some roundcube files for an older version. I don't want apt-get to install these packages. How do I remove them from the apt-get install list |
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| 17:37.56 | arghx | aptitude why <package> |
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| 17:38.26 | arghx | stevieman: and what do you really want to do? why would nmap install stuff? are you on a properly updated and upgraded debian? |
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| 17:40.22 | stevieman | arghx: yes my debian system is updated. I do not want apt-get to install roundcube-core because it's trying to install an older version. I want roundcube-core removed from the apt-get install list or cue or whatever. When I do an aptitude why roundcube-core I get this response "Unable to find a reason to install roundcube-core." |
| 17:41.02 | thisthat | ah its obvious the problem is because cubes are not round |
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| 17:42.14 | arghx | stevieman: where is your current roundcube from when it tries to install an older version |
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| 17:42.42 | stevieman | arghx: From roundcube directly |
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| 17:43.05 | arghx | stevieman: please do a apt-cache policy; apt-get install nmap and before it wants to download stuff, ctrl+c |
| 17:43.11 | arghx | then pastebin the output of that |
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| 17:45.47 | xixor | hi everyone, quick question: I am trying to debug why X11 won't support transparent windows, /etc/X11/xorg.conf does not exist. I am running Testing (wheezy) in a virtualbox VM with a windows 7 host. Where to modify xorg.conf these days? cheers |
| 17:46.07 | arghx | xixor: you don't modify it. xorg.conf is not needed |
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| 17:47.09 | xixor | how is xorg configured these days then? |
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| 17:47.27 | arghx | it autoconfigures and uses the right values automatically |
| 17:47.27 | jordanm | xixor: dynamically via udev |
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| 17:47.44 | xixor | so it queries the hardware and configures itself? |
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| 17:48.02 | jordanm | you may need one for special cases though. vboxvideo may be one of those special cases. look at your Xorg.0.log to see if vboxvideo is in use |
| 17:48.07 | arghx | yes. if you want to use another driver than default like fglrx instead of radeon, you need to configure it a bit, but not otherwise |
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| 17:48.44 | jordanm | also, last time I check 3d accelleration in vbox did not support linux guests |
| 17:49.06 | stevieman | arghx: http://pastebin.ca/2094319 |
| 17:49.09 | xixor | jordanm: ah, you could be write |
| 17:49.22 | xixor | jordanm: I am getting vboxvideo_dri.so failed in the xorg log file |
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| 17:50.19 | jordanm | stevieman: the problem is that apt is already in an inconsistant state. if you don't want the roundcube depends installed, you need to remove roundcube-core |
| 17:50.42 | arghx | ,versions roundcube-mysql |
| 17:50.44 | judd | Package: roundcube-mysql on i386 -- lenny-backports: 0.3.1-6~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.3.1-6; squeeze-backports: 0.5.4+dfsg-1~bpo60+1; sid: 0.6+dfsg-1; wheezy: 0.6+dfsg-1 |
| 17:50.45 | jordanm | ,versions libpcap |
| 17:50.45 | judd | No package named 'libpcap' was found in i386. |
| 17:50.54 | jordanm | ,versions libpcap0.8 |
| 17:50.55 | judd | Package: libpcap0.8 on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.8-5; squeeze: 1.1.1-2+squeeze1; sid: 1.1.1-10; wheezy: 1.1.1-10 |
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| 17:51.31 | arghx | stevieman: and you mix squeeze with wheezy. that leads to problems like yours which can't be fixed. |
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| 17:53.44 | NoReflex | hello! anyone using HP Smart Array controllers? I'm having some troubles understand the terms used by hpacucli. For example I have a failed Raid5 array (one drive is marked as failed, the other two are OK) and I think I should be able to use the array ... but for now it is mounted as RO and I get IO errors if I try to copy the files |
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| 17:58.58 | photon | If I install Debian Testing now, will it automatically "switch" to Debian Stable 7.0 once it's out (by a simple update), or will it continue to be in "testing mode" and I'd have to manually install the stable version again in order to get stable 7.0? |
| 17:59.10 | jordanm | NoReflex: you probably have errors=remount-ro set for the drive |
| 17:59.35 | jordanm | NoReflex: most controllers would mark that as "degraded" rather than failed, but either way, you should swap the failed drive asap |
| 17:59.44 | thisthat | if you have in your sources.list file "testing" then it will stay testing if you have it "wheezy" then it will stay wheezy |
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| 17:59.55 | thisthat | so when wheezy becomes stable then it will stay wheezy |
| 18:00.31 | NoReflex | jordanm, before swaping the drive I want to copy the data from it |
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| 18:01.16 | jordanm | NoReflex: you don't already have a backup of the data on the array? being in ro mode shouldn't prevent you from copying the data |
| 18:02.33 | jordanm | NoReflex: what does dmesg look like? |
| 18:02.45 | photon | thisthat: just to make sure I understand you correctly, all I have to do (in order to make it switch to stable and STAY there once it reached that point) is to change all mentions of "testing" in my sources.list to "wheezy" and I'm done? |
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| 18:02.59 | thisthat | yup |
| 18:03.03 | photon | alright, thanks. |
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| 18:04.15 | NoReflex | jordanm, I have an older backup |
| 18:04.31 | NoReflex | dmesg shows lines like cciss: cmd ffff880037900000 has CHECK CONDITION sense key = 0x4 ; [ 4044.504740] end_request: I/O error, dev cciss/c0d1, sector 386291975 |
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| 18:07.08 | pizza_biz | NoReflex: have you tried physically disconnecting the failed drive? it might act stable with a drive missing rather than failed. (just an educated guess.) |
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| 18:08.12 | NoReflex | pizza_biz, unfortunately I'm can only ssh to that machine it's about 1000km away |
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| 18:09.51 | alex- | How much does a distro like #openmediavault differs from #debian ? |
| 18:10.30 | dondelelcaro | alex-: you'd really have to ask them |
| 18:10.54 | dondelelcaro | alex-: we don't track what any of the thousands of Debian derived distributions do to Debian |
| 18:11.03 | rox | alex-: i don't know about openmediavault specifically, but generally distros differ mainly in packaging and default installations and configurations |
| 18:11.12 | alex- | Ah |
| 18:11.17 | alex- | Actually people in #openmediavault don't know |
| 18:11.19 | alex- | :P |
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| 18:11.38 | alex- | Can I get support here for debian like questions? |
| 18:11.45 | dondelelcaro | alex-: only if you're running Debian |
| 18:11.46 | alex- | Like when you have OMV and there is some problem with apt ? |
| 18:11.53 | arghx | alex-: no |
| 18:11.54 | alex- | Or with sources.list ? |
| 18:12.07 | alex- | why not arghx ? |
| 18:12.10 | arghx | you can only get support here if you run original debian |
| 18:12.21 | rox | alex-: this is a Debian support channel |
| 18:12.25 | alex- | Hmm |
| 18:12.28 | alex- | But they are debian questions... |
| 18:12.38 | arghx | !tell alex- about debian based |
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| 18:13.34 | alex- | Is it another distro then? |
| 18:13.40 | alex- | Or not? |
| 18:14.15 | rox | alex-: the thing is, we all use Debian and we can not know about other distro specifics, even if your question is about apt, the other distro might have applied patches to the source or they might distribute it with a totally different default configuration, so we really can not help you |
| 18:14.38 | alex- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:15.08 | alex- | They only included some other programs by default (ssh, sftp, smb), apache2 config files and the website to control everything. |
| 18:15.18 | arghx | alex-: please stop. we will not support OMV, ubuntu, mint, etc. but debian and debian only. and we will find out that you don't run real debian but ask us, so please don't even bother |
| 18:16.03 | alex- | Sometimes i'm actually running debian. |
| 18:16.05 | alex- | Just wondering |
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| 18:28.14 | _pal_ | does oss4-base package contains ossxmix? |
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| 18:29.39 | arghx | _pal_: packages.debian.org knows |
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| 18:30.18 | stew | _pal_: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 18:31.27 | indigo | if i'm running stable and i need a newer version of a package that's in testing, and it's not in squeeze-backports, what are my options? Can I selectively install packages from testing? Can I rebuild them from source? What documentation should I read? |
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| 18:31.50 | stew | indigo: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 18:32.15 | _pal_ | ok, found and installed it, but there is no /dev/mixer error |
| 18:32.28 | _pal_ | should I create it manually? |
| 18:32.39 | mastro | I was used to hit ALT+STAMP to take screenshot of the current window, it doesn't work anymore on the current debian testing, is this an issue with my debian or has this feature been removed? |
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| 18:34.00 | alex- | stamp? |
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| 18:35.18 | boudiccas | alex-; we cant help you, we cant support you, please join /join #openmediavault for support for your setup |
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| 18:36.55 | alex- | boudiccas: who says i'm running openmediavault? |
| 18:37.01 | alex- | I'm only supporting it |
| 18:37.12 | alex- | and i asked where the stamp key was because mastro was talking about alt + stamp |
| 18:37.33 | biz | mastro: depends on the desktop environment you're using (Gnome/KDE/CDE/LXDE/Xfce/...). Usually they ship some service binding keys to commands, so that's where you should have a look |
| 18:37.34 | boudiccas | alezyou did at 1609 |
| 18:37.45 | boudiccas | alex-; you did at 1609 |
| 18:37.46 | Gerben | alex-, the stamp key is a special key for supporting snail mail I guess |
| 18:37.53 | alex- | ah |
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| 18:38.07 | alex- | boudiccas: I didn't said I was using it |
| 18:38.35 | boudiccas | alex-; i'm not going to argue the toss with you, we cant support or help you, so please ask elsewhere |
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| 18:40.20 | mastro | alex- print |
| 18:40.52 | mastro | biz, gnome, as always |
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| 18:41.23 | mastro | biz, and I'm sure I used it a while ago... now I just tried and it doesn't work anymore... I just upgraded my system |
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| 18:43.43 | biz | mastro: gnome's made of easy(tm), so there must be some menu entry to configure global keybinds |
| 18:43.46 | efazati | i want use firefox ... so download tar ball file now when i run firefox-bin i receive error : /firefox/firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:43.53 | efazati | how i can fix it |
| 18:43.54 | efazati | ? |
| 18:44.18 | biz | mastro: sorry I can't help you more with it, not using gnome. |
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| 18:44.30 | rox | efazati: get rid of the tarball installation of firefox and install it from apt-get |
| 18:44.45 | efazati | rox how? iceweasel? |
| 18:44.59 | rox | efazati: yes |
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| 18:45.24 | efazati | nox i want ver 8 and my iceweasel is 3.5 :( |
| 18:45.34 | efazati | i use squeeze |
| 18:45.39 | rox | efazati: as root, type this command: apt-get install iceweasel |
| 18:46.01 | efazati | rox i know how install :D but its too old |
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| 18:46.45 | rox | efazati: ok, then you can try to find a backport for squeeze |
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| 18:48.13 | zykotick9 | efazati, if you want a new version see http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 18:50.00 | stack | hello, I have a ext3 file system that I screwed up giving a cryptsetup luksOpen+pv/vg/lvcreate on it , is there any way to recover the underlaying file system? |
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| 18:52.06 | antgel | hmm. for how long has gnome-core depended on pulseaudio? i'm using testing and PA just installed, it broke my audio (silent). when i restarted my audio apps, they play music too fast, some sampling issue |
| 18:52.14 | antgel | perhaps it's time to get rid of gnome |
| 18:52.44 | antgel | i moved to it at a time when i was interested in helping clients deploy linux on the desktop, so i figured i should use the same stuff |
| 18:52.54 | antgel | but now i have a real job ;) so i don't care |
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| 18:53.18 | simonlnu | sid's doesn't any more, only recommends |
| 18:53.39 | antgel | simonlnu: ah, was that recognized as a bug at some point then? :D |
| 18:53.51 | simonlnu | yes ;) |
| 18:53.53 | skamikaze | antgel: pulseaudio runs fine over here for 3 years now |
| 18:54.09 | antgel | i don't get the fuss about PA. never have i known something to be pushed so hard to so many, and caused such annoyance |
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| 18:54.25 | antgel | i've never used it, but i see so many problems with it online |
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| 18:54.32 | simonlnu | i recently installed some of that gnome3 stuff and found i could not install it |
| 18:54.34 | antgel | skamikaze: great, i'm genuinely happy for you |
| 18:55.00 | jelly-home | antgel: it's a nice idea that needs years to find all the bugs |
| 18:55.08 | simonlnu | i used to like pa a lot, but i stopped using it when it was acting oddly |
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| 18:55.17 | nag | does shutdown -F invoke fsck interactively or non-interactively on reboot? |
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| 18:55.41 | simonlnu | yes it needs some maturing still. i think it does have potential if given some tlc |
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| 18:56.03 | antgel | so, this is my stimulus to leave gnome. i'm not going back to ratpoison or ion, but is xfce still the de-facto decent featureful WM for people who hate bloatware |
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| 18:56.16 | skamikaze | antgel: what i wanted to say is it's maybe testing/any weired config or whatever that's causing that problem |
| 18:56.22 | antgel | i know about fluxbox / blackbox as well but i always saw xfce as a little "softer" |
| 18:56.32 | nag | antgel: have you considered i3? |
| 18:56.39 | antgel | i want a network manager |
| 18:57.08 | stack | 'awesome' is a very good WM |
| 18:57.12 | nag | you can run wicd-ncurses, or even wicd-gtk |
| 18:57.20 | biz | stack: ext3 stores backups of the superblock, so if you did not destroy too much, it should be possible for fsck.ext3 to locate it (if not, find out the blocksize and make use of -b/-B) |
| 18:57.44 | simonlnu | xfce is pretty sweet. thunar needs some tlc. |
| 18:57.53 | antgel | jelly-home: great. what does it do again? i have had no problem with audio since i can remember. i use jackd for studio-level stuff. i will always believe that PA is buggy and worse still, pointless :D |
| 18:58.00 | antgel | !start a wm war |
| 18:58.01 | dpkg | twm makes me vomit! |
| 18:58.03 | efazati | zykotick9, tnks work |
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| 18:58.26 | stew | antgel: xfce is becoming the place wheer gnome refugees land. lxde is the new one for "I want a lightweight desktop environment". awesome is the window manager which is being used by a majority of people that might have been running ratpoison or ion3 5 years ago |
| 18:58.31 | stack | biz: I tryed to locate the superblock doing a mkfs on a file of the same blocksize/number and fsck.ext3 -b on the device ask me too many corrections. I don't know if it is the correct way of doing this. |
| 18:59.20 | antgel | stew: wow, that's a great summary, thanks to you and others who made suggestions ^^^ |
| 18:59.27 | stack | personally I use gnome with awesome |
| 19:00.05 | antgel | skamikaze: the "weird config" that's causing the problem is a default config, and there's *no way* i'm wasting my time debugging it |
| 19:00.10 | antgel | when i could be in here ;) |
| 19:00.10 | jelly-home | antgel: easy and transparent routing of different apps to different input and output audio devices |
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| 19:00.24 | antgel | jelly-home: you mean like jackd? |
| 19:00.29 | nag | stew: I tried awesome, but I went back to i3 because it was faster and the codebase is much better |
| 19:00.43 | biz | stack: that's the way to go, though you don't need the file, just use mke2fs -n on the partition |
| 19:00.47 | stew | i3 isn't free though, and the author is insane |
| 19:00.47 | jelly-home | antgel: except for consumer level audio, yes |
| 19:01.12 | nag | stew: i3 isn't free? |
| 19:01.27 | stew | nag: no, not for years now, which is why you'll no longer find it in debian |
| 19:01.30 | stack | biz: ok maybe I'll invoke fsck with -y option , let me try |
| 19:01.40 | jelly-home | antgel: there are some overlapping usage scenarios, but jack focuses more on low latency and explicit routing |
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| 19:01.53 | nag | stew: http://i3wm.org/downloads/ - "We also provide Debian and Ubuntu repositories with up-to-date packages." |
| 19:02.27 | nag | stew: "our code is Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) under the BSD license" |
| 19:02.27 | I_Died_Once | Hey, i was in here earlier... copying my hard drive.... |
| 19:02.30 | stew | nag: ok, wait. i though you were talking about ion3 |
| 19:02.46 | nag | stew: that's even freer than awesome, which is licensed under GPLv3 |
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| 19:03.11 | nag | stew: ah, no. i3 a la i3wm.org |
| 19:03.32 | stevieman | I have a user that was in the root dir. I removed them using gpasswd-d and got a message that they were removed. I then added them to adm, sudo and staff. When that user logs in they still have root access. |
| 19:03.58 | stevieman | is that correct with the 3 new groups? |
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| 19:04.17 | antgel | jelly-home: what does that *mean*? consumer-level-audio? what does pulseaudio do that jackd doesn't? |
| 19:04.45 | antgel | stew: heh, yes i remember the ion3 author's rants :) |
| 19:05.18 | stack | biz: doing fsck.ext3 doesn't change the fs type, mount tells me that it is crypto_LUKS fs type, is there a way to resolve that? |
| 19:05.30 | antgel | ooh, task-xfce-desktop. *nice* |
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| 19:05.36 | stevieman | I just revoked the adm, staff and sudo groups for the user and they can still have root access |
| 19:06.07 | xand | stevieman: what do you mean "root access"? |
| 19:06.09 | jelly-home | antgel: automatic routing to your just plugged in usb or bluetooth headset, having your voip app stick to the same, simpler per-app volume control |
| 19:06.11 | stevieman | short of removing the user, how so I remove root access for them? |
| 19:06.29 | valdyn | antgel: does jack have anything why a normal user should use it? |
| 19:06.32 | stevieman | xand: Can access, and write to anything owned by root |
| 19:06.35 | stack | jelly-home: whan it works... |
| 19:07.02 | xand | stevieman: umm, unless their uid is 0, the files must be writable by that user. |
| 19:07.13 | xand | or a group its in |
| 19:07.17 | stew | stevieman: are they in the root group? |
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| 19:07.34 | pizza_biz | stack: you could use fdisk to change it back to a native linux partition (0x83 i think), but if the fs structure and/or data is munged, don't expect to recover anything. |
| 19:07.41 | stevieman | stew: They were and I removed them with gpasswd -d |
| 19:07.56 | stevieman | xand: username:x:1000: |
| 19:08.03 | antgel | jelly-home: i see. so for those relatively rare cases, they reinvented the wheel and caused lots of people to complain. meh |
| 19:08.05 | stew | stevieman: show us the output of "id username" |
| 19:08.06 | stack | pizza_biz: ok I'll try |
| 19:08.06 | stevieman | ls -ls .* |
| 19:08.08 | xand | stevieman: and what file can they write to? and what are its permissions? |
| 19:08.26 | jelly-home | stack: yes, he didn't ask "what does it do when it FAILS TO WORK" that would be silly |
| 19:08.30 | stack | pizza_biz: I was trying with fsdisk but working on a image it is'nt working as espected |
| 19:08.40 | antgel | jelly-home: i don't see why jack couldn't have been extended to do that, but it's just not shiny enough |
| 19:08.47 | stack | jelly-home: the point is that pulseaudio always fails :) |
| 19:08.55 | valdyn | antgel: you should read the developers reasoning |
| 19:09.02 | stevieman | xand: for example they can write to .bashrc with is -rw-r--r-- root:root |
| 19:09.19 | xand | stevieman: what does "id -a username" say |
| 19:09.23 | brah | abrotman: I just reinstalled from a Debian CD and it's still not booting. |
| 19:09.23 | jelly-home | stack: I find it easier to deal with than alsa. YMMV. |
| 19:09.24 | valdyn | antgel: also the jack developers reasoning why adding those features might not make sense |
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| 19:09.44 | antgel | valdyn: well, short of sending you to the jackd docs, i'd say if your audio is all good, there's not much in it. but it's great for me on my DAW. as for reading the developers' reasoning... don't get me started :) |
| 19:09.49 | stevieman | xand: apparently they are still in root |
| 19:09.51 | xand | stevieman: and did they log out and back again? group changes only happen then |
| 19:10.04 | boudiccas | brah; what cd did you install from please? |
| 19:10.16 | antgel | valdyn: sure. i'm just being selfish. this crap broke my laptop with it's mass-produced intel soundcard |
| 19:10.18 | xand | stevieman: being in group root is not sufficient to write to that .bashrc |
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| 19:10.26 | stevieman | xand: yah I've loggd the user out a few times during this process, after each change |
| 19:10.39 | antgel | on the bright side i'm looking forward to getting rid of gnome, this was the kick i needed |
| 19:10.46 | stevieman | xand: No I mean they are root uid=0 gid=0 groups=0 |
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| 19:11.00 | brah | boudiccas: debian-6.0.3-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 19:11.03 | stevieman | id -a sokolowskid |
| 19:11.24 | stack | pizza_biz: ok mounted with -t ext3 and now lost+found is full of numbers :) |
| 19:11.25 | xand | id says their uid is 0? |
| 19:11.32 | stevieman | xand: yep |
| 19:11.33 | boudiccas | brah; when you say that it 'isn't booting', what error messages do you get? |
| 19:11.59 | stevieman | xand: uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root) |
| 19:12.01 | xand | stevieman: that is certainly not caused by being in anyy groups |
| 19:12.01 | brah | boudiccas: None. Can't get grub into the MBR. The first partition is a Windows XP and I am wondering if that has anything to do with this. |
| 19:12.03 | pizza_biz | orphaned inodes. heh, good luck with that. |
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| 19:12.15 | brah | boudiccas: Can boot just fine from a SuperGrub CD |
| 19:12.18 | boudiccas | !mbr |
| 19:12.19 | dpkg | The Master Boot Record (MBR) is the first bit of code loaded from the hard drive when a PC boots. To install a clean MBR (e.g. to get rid of LILO within the MBR) from Linux "install-mbr /dev/hda"; from DOS one can run "fdisk /mbr", or ask me about <fixmbr>, or see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mbr. See http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-copy-mbr/ for guidelines on copying the MBR. |
| 19:12.22 | stevieman | xand: I get that now :) |
| 19:12.36 | xand | maybe your passwd file is corrupt |
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| 19:13.02 | brah | boudiccas: I can't get grub-install to work. It reports no errors, but then it still doesn't boot. |
| 19:13.20 | stack | pizza_biz: it seems that one inode is recreating the full dirtree |
| 19:13.22 | stack | hopes |
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| 19:13.30 | boudiccas | brah; sounds like XP is screwing you around with the mbr, and not being a windows user for about ten years i cant advise as to what to do next. sorry |
| 19:13.50 | brah | I am not even booting into it. It can't touch my MBR if it doesn't get run. |
| 19:14.04 | xand | 10 years? just recent enough to use XP ;D |
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| 19:14.44 | boudiccas | brah; but it will still have its own version of grub in the mbr, which may be locking you out of putting in a linux grub |
| 19:15.00 | boudiccas | xand; no, i used to use windows 2000 |
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| 19:16.45 | huggy-bear | brah: I think that certain windows malware is also able to mess up the mbr |
| 19:17.01 | brah | 'Mess up'? |
| 19:17.06 | brah | Hardly something permanent. |
| 19:17.42 | arghx | brah: where is your grub installed to? |
| 19:17.57 | LordTrev | I'm on Debian testing and Virtualbox gives the following error " |
| 19:17.58 | LordTrev | Please install the virtualbox-dkms package and execute 'modprobe vboxdrv' as root." |
| 19:17.59 | arghx | brah: or what is your grub-install commandline? |
| 19:17.59 | huggy-bear | brah: O, so you did try and install grub over it? I just came in here... Maybe it's hard disk failure then? |
| 19:18.08 | arghx | LordTrev: then do it? |
| 19:18.16 | LordTrev | I have virtualbox-dkms installed |
| 19:18.21 | LordTrev | and I can't modrpobe it |
| 19:18.25 | LordTrev | not found |
| 19:18.48 | brah | Basically, I've installed Debian Squeeze, and I can only boot to it using SuperGrub. |
| 19:19.00 | brah | I can write into the first 512 bytes fine using dd, so no hard disk failure. |
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| 19:19.26 | huggy-bear | strange |
| 19:19.39 | jelly-home | brah: are you using a brand-name machine? which brand and model? |
| 19:19.53 | arghx | LordTrev: then it hasn't built the kernel module. do you have your kernel headers for the running kernel installed? |
| 19:19.54 | brah | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 ----> update-grub2 -----> grub-install /dev/sda |
| 19:20.01 | brah | Nope, a clone. |
| 19:20.09 | stew | brah: realize that your command blows away the partition table |
| 19:20.18 | brah | lmao yep |
| 19:20.20 | brah | I just did. |
| 19:20.20 | jelly-home | brah: uh. That dd command wipes your partition table, are you aw... NINNJA |
| 19:20.22 | ElDiabolo | brah, This looks like grub-install can't see the installed OSes. |
| 19:20.29 | brah | Oh well. |
| 19:20.30 | jelly-home | d. |
| 19:20.50 | arghx | brah: dd if=/dev/sda of=mbr.hex bs=512 count=1 then look at the mbr.hex with a hexviewer |
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| 19:20.59 | brah | It's gone now. |
| 19:21.07 | stevieman | xand: so how do I change the uid of my user, when I try I get a message about that user being logged in but they are not |
| 19:21.09 | antgel | wow, over a couple of debian releases, i had *no idea* how much cruft gnome is pulling in :-O |
| 19:21.10 | jelly-home | more like "look at /proc/partitions and try to recreate" |
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| 19:21.26 | antgel | i remember the days when i knew what most packages on my system did |
| 19:21.31 | stevieman | xand: However root is logged in |
| 19:21.31 | LordTrev | arghx, no sure |
| 19:21.34 | LordTrev | not* |
| 19:21.53 | arghx | LordTrev: you have to install it for it to be able to run |
| 19:22.22 | xand | stevieman: vipw |
| 19:22.23 | arghx | LordTrev: install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 19:22.38 | xand | stevieman: grep username /etc/passwd - is it there twice? |
| 19:22.38 | jelly-home | brah: some bioses, I've seen ibm thinkpads do that, really don't like when their MBR code is replaced or when there is no single primary partition with a bootable flag set |
| 19:22.55 | arghx | jelly-home: which ones? tps I mean |
| 19:23.05 | brah | I just wiped the partition table. Might as well forget Windows and install only Debian. |
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| 19:23.27 | stevieman | xand: Nope just there once |
| 19:23.36 | xand | stevieman: and what is the line that is there? |
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| 19:23.48 | boudiccas | brah; i hope that you've got backups of all your important stuff |
| 19:23.50 | jelly-home | arghx: this Z60m here, porbably other models in that generation |
| 19:23.56 | tdn_ | Does squeeze-backports contain sid packages that can be used in squeeze? Or does squeeze-backports contain squeeze-packages that can be used in lenny? |
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| 19:24.06 | arghx | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 19:24.19 | arghx | tdn_: can be used in squeeze |
| 19:24.27 | stevieman | xand: username:x:0:0:FirstName,Lastname,Phone, :/home/username: /bin/bash |
| 19:24.37 | stew | tdn_: wheezy packages that can be used in squeeze |
| 19:24.50 | xand | stevieman: edit it and change the 0s to the desired values. |
| 19:25.00 | stevieman | xand thanks |
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| 19:25.11 | xand | stevieman: you will need to chown all files for that user to be the new values |
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| 19:25.17 | xand | e.g /home/username/* |
| 19:25.44 | xand | stevieman: unless you really know what youre doing, don't create users with uid or gid of 0 |
| 19:25.50 | LordTrev | arghx, E: Unable to locate package linux-headers-3.0.0-1-686-pae |
| 19:25.50 | brah | Right, how do I rescue this using dd? |
| 19:25.56 | brah | '8 1 81923436 sda1' |
| 19:26.59 | stevieman | xand: It cretainly wasn't done on purpose. |
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| 19:27.13 | arghx | LordTrev: IIRC your kernel doesn't exist in wheezy anymore |
| 19:27.27 | jelly-home | brah: the third number is size of the partition in sectors, you still have to find/guess the partition strt. |
| 19:27.31 | stack | pizza_biz: I think I've recovered most of the data, thanks for the suggestions |
| 19:27.34 | jelly-home | start* |
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| 19:27.53 | antgel | well, removing gnome and gnomy-cruft, and installing xfce task, lde, and awesome will save me 900MB :D |
| 19:27.53 | LordTrev | arghx, this was the kernel installed by wheezy, when I upgraded from stable, yesterday |
| 19:27.58 | se7 | dpkg -S /etc/pam.d/common-session-noninteractive |
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| 19:27.59 | dpkg | You Fool! /etc/pam.d/common-session-noninteractive is installed! |
| 19:28.08 | antgel | *lxde |
| 19:28.19 | jelly-home | brah: grep . /sys/block/sda/sda1/* |
| 19:28.28 | se7 | jelly-home: better: grep '' |
| 19:28.37 | jelly-home | se7: nope |
| 19:28.48 | se7 | hm |
| 19:29.06 | jelly-home | doesn't matter here. |
| 19:29.13 | tdn_ | stew, thanks. |
| 19:29.21 | arghx | ,versions linux-headers-3.0.0-1-686-pae |
| 19:29.23 | judd | No package named 'linux-headers-3.0.0-1-686-pae' was found in i386. |
| 19:30.07 | arghx | LordTrev: wheezy uses kernel 3.1 |
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| 19:30.51 | alex2 | Can you run debian on arm proc? |
| 19:31.02 | stew | alex2: yes |
| 19:31.07 | alex2 | ok thanks |
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| 19:31.30 | LordTrev | arghx, look, I was on 2.x.x yesterday, changed the repos to wheezy, did dist-upgrade, apt-get install -f, and when I rebooted that was the kernel I had |
| 19:32.40 | stew | LordTrev: and today that kernel was replaced by a different one, so the one you have is no longer in wheezy |
| 19:32.42 | jelly-home | LordTrev: well, testing is a fast moving target. Get your fresh kernel and headers from today! |
| 19:33.03 | stew | LordTrev: http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6/news/20111122T163916Z.html |
| 19:33.18 | jelly-home | rejoice! Soon there will be an update with patches from 3.1.2, too |
| 19:33.23 | LordTrev | So, do a dist-upgrade? |
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| 19:34.45 | stevieman | xand: I made the changes to the user, chowned their home directory and now they cannot login via ssh. The server just closes the network connection |
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| 19:35.05 | xand | check the ssh log |
| 19:35.11 | arghx | LordTrev: well then maybe it changed overnight. but right now there is 3.1 and there is headers for 3.1. so please get it or use snapdhot.debian.net or something. your choice |
| 19:35.12 | xand | and did you chown -R? |
| 19:35.35 | Dulak | stevieman: run 'ssh -v hostname' as the user and see what it's complaining about |
| 19:35.39 | stevieman | xand: yep chown -R username:username |
| 19:35.41 | arghx | xand: fyi stevieman runs a frankendebian |
| 19:35.48 | xand | arghx: what? |
| 19:36.01 | xand | stevieman: also check /var/log/auth.log |
| 19:36.03 | stevieman | arghx: I fixed that issue with roundcube |
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| 19:36.19 | arghx | stevieman: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 19:37.44 | stevieman | arghx: ii libc6 2.11.2-10 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 19:38.00 | stevieman | Dulax: I can't login as the user |
| 19:38.23 | xand | umm you don't need to log in |
| 19:38.27 | Dulak | stevieman: sigh. ssh -v user@localhost |
| 19:38.34 | xand | anyway, check the auth.log file |
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| 19:38.56 | Dulak | steven43126: ssh will bitch about something in the verbose output, plus the logs will probably have something. |
| 19:39.01 | stew | stevieman: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
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| 19:39.33 | stew | when sshd is denying you a connection, the client shouldn't be told why, you really need to debug this from the server side |
| 19:39.40 | stew | and its probably somehting that wouldn't normally be logged |
| 19:39.42 | Dulak | stevieman: you want to test the login through ssh, not actually login as the user then use ssh |
| 19:41.12 | antgel | ah, wicd, if you didn't exist, someone would have had to invent you |
| 19:41.36 | stew | that's deep |
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| 19:42.08 | arghx | and so true |
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| 19:42.37 | antgel | it's just great, the community seems to have written software to catch users like me. i never really wanted to use gnome, and networkmanager was about the only thing i found "useful" |
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| 19:43.53 | antgel | see you on the other side (hopefully rebooting into an xfce desktop with... working sound!) |
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| 19:45.03 | stevieman | ah I think I know why that user was in the root group. This machine uses Pam to chroot users to their homedirs |
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| 19:51.03 | stevieman | xand: This is the message in auth.log "fatal: bad ownership or modes for chroot directory "/home/user" " |
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| 19:53.32 | stew | stevieman: if you are chrooting using the built in mechanism, the home directory needs to be owned by root and not world writable |
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| 19:57.24 | stevieman | stew: made that change, the user can login but the session closes immediately. from auth.log "Changed root directory to "/home/user" then the next line is "pam_unix(sshd:session): session closed for user user" |
| 19:57.53 | photon | Can I encrypt the whole disk (and root partition) when installing Debian? Are there any specific pitfalls/things to look out for? |
| 20:00.34 | somiaj | photon: yes you can, one thing is by default debain will do a full format (zero the whole drive) before it encrypts it. This can take many many hours, but if you use the expert mode you can avoid this. |
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| 20:01.38 | somiaj | photon: I have seen people have multiple issues with this in here (though I haven't done it myself). Seems you need to ensure your initrd image contains all the info to dencrypt your root partition so you can boot onto it. |
| 20:02.10 | dondelelcaro | by default if you're using a passphrase, you shouldn't have much issue, though |
| 20:02.37 | dondelelcaro | and you often *do* want to write to the entire disk, just to avoid issues where it becomes obvious what you've stored on the drive due to the unwritten area |
| 20:03.15 | photon | what kinds of issues, somiaj? and do I need to be some kind of professional CLI hacker to do it, or is there a standard installation interface that guides me through it? |
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| 20:03.32 | somiaj | yea the default is sane, just be prepared to wait a few hours depending on the size of the disk. |
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| 20:03.58 | stew | stevieman: what is their shell set to? |
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| 20:04.11 | somiaj | photon: afiak the install guide has instructions for doing just what you want. If done right it will work. |
| 20:04.15 | photon | dondelelcaro: I completely agree about the whole disk encryption part. |
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| 20:04.33 | photon | alright, thanks |
| 20:04.39 | stevieman | stew: bin/bash |
| 20:04.51 | stew | stevieman: does /home/user/bin/bash exist? |
| 20:05.00 | stevieman | stew: although I see new users are being set to bin/sh |
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| 20:06.09 | stevieman | stew: no it doesn't |
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| 20:06.37 | stew | stevieman: that's going to be a problem then |
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| 20:16.46 | indigo | what's a reasonable filesystem location to put a custom build .deb? |
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| 20:17.09 | jelly-home | indigo: what are you going to do with it? |
| 20:17.24 | Dulak | indigo: you mean as in --prefix to install to, or the place where the .deb sits? |
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| 20:17.28 | indigo | jelly-home: install it. It would be also good if it didn't later get deleted. |
| 20:17.36 | indigo | Dulak: i mean where the .deb sits. |
| 20:17.50 | jelly-home | indigo: I just drop random packages in ~/packages/ |
| 20:18.20 | Dulak | indigo: that's entirely up to you, I use /usr/local/packages but it can be literally anywhere you want it |
| 20:18.53 | jelly-home | preferably a directory that gets backed up |
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| 20:45.20 | acu | does anyone know howto remove the keyring question in gnome when you connect remotely through vnc or remmina ? |
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| 21:32.43 | xand | !update-apt-xapi |
| 21:32.56 | Nurbs | Are there any newer gcc documentation packages than gcc-4.4-doc? I've seen that they've been removed from main because of licensing issues, but is there really nothing newer available at all? |
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| 21:33.34 | nsadmin | Nurbs: of course there are, and that documentation would be in the original source package as distributed by gnu |
| 21:33.52 | nsadmin | not packages that I know of |
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| 21:38.46 | LinuxGuy2009 | Are there any programming tools in the repos or one I can get as an addon somewhere that is a good BASIC interpreter and compiler for Debian? |
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| 21:39.46 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ive heard of FreeBasic for example but wondered if there is one that is very well rounded and does lots oif stuff. |
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| 21:42.48 | jordanm | LinuxGuy2009: uhh... basic? |
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| 21:43.57 | jameswhite | apt-cache search BASIC | grep BASIC | gist |
| 21:43.57 | jameswhite | https://gist.github.com/1387094 |
| 21:44.48 | jameswhite | that being said, what jordanm said. |
| 21:44.53 | dondelelcaro | LinuxGuy2009: there are lots of them, but you're better off using a different language. |
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| 21:45.22 | jordanm | jameswhite: I was questioning the use basic, not offering a suggestion |
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| 21:45.46 | jelly-home | mono-vbnc - Mono Visual Basic Compiler (VB.NET) |
| 21:45.50 | jelly-home | \:D/ |
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| 21:47.02 | jameswhite | jordanm: yes, and I showed what debian had available, and having said that, underscored what you were conveying. |
| 21:47.11 | jameswhite | because why? |
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| 21:48.02 | nick_h | how can the Squeeze backport of nginx be 1.1.0 when the latest release of nginx is 1.0.10 ? |
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| 21:48.55 | jameswhite | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.57 | stew | 2011-11-14 |
| 21:48.58 | stew | nginx-1.1.8 development version has been released. |
| 21:49.02 | jordanm | nick_h: looks like a develpment release |
| 21:49.29 | jordanm | not sure why it would be packages targetting the next stable release though |
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| 21:50.34 | nick_h | jordanm: ah, gotcha. thanks |
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| 21:54.17 | nick_h | if i want to rebuild the nginx package with the latest stable release of nginx (1.0.10), should i just uupdate the source for Squeeze's 0.7.67 package? |
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| 21:56.54 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions ngnix |
| 21:56.56 | judd | No package named 'ngnix' was found in i386. |
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| 21:57.08 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions nginx |
| 21:57.09 | judd | Package: nginx on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-backports: 0.7.67-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.7.67-3; squeeze-backports: 1.1.0-1~bpo60+1; sid: 1.1.8-1; wheezy: 1.1.8-1 |
| 21:57.21 | jhutchins_lt | !tell nick_h about backports |
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| 21:57.40 | stew | backports won't help him |
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| 21:58.41 | stew | unless perhaps he backports from snapshot? |
| 21:58.44 | jelly-home | nick_h: I'd start with the squeeze-backports source and try to uupdate on top of that |
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| 21:59.05 | jordanm | nick_h: depending on what has changed, you may be able to just add the debian directory from sid package to the 1.0.10 sources |
| 21:59.11 | jelly-home | 0.7 sounds like "different from 1.1" |
| 21:59.35 | jelly-home | or 1.0 indeed |
| 22:00.07 | nick_h | jelly-home: yeah, there're probably huge differences between 0.X and 1.Y |
| 22:00.18 | jordanm | jelly-home: yeah, but the build system/packageing may not have changed |
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| 22:01.45 | jhutchins_lt | Wouldn't 1.1.0 be newer than 1.0.10? |
| 22:01.58 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: it is, but its a development release |
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| 22:02.04 | jhutchins_lt | Ah. |
| 22:02.07 | jelly-home | and it might be older. |
| 22:02.24 | nick_h | jordanm, jelly-home: i think i'm just going to use the squeeze-backport (1.1.0), actually |
| 22:02.25 | jhutchins_lt | Strange that we would find a development release backported to stable. |
| 22:02.36 | nick_h | jhutchins_lt: yeah, that's what perplexes me |
| 22:02.59 | jelly-home | not really, since squeeze-backports get versions from wheezy=testing |
| 22:03.11 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: when I started on ntop, its version was an unreleased version from their svn |
| 22:03.34 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: and that same version was about to make it into a 2nd stable release |
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| 22:03.49 | jelly-home | maintainers often bet on development versions of stuff becoming stable enough during time, so development stuff is what enters Debian unstable |
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| 22:04.22 | jordanm | its not right though. nothing should enter unstable that is not a target for a stable release |
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| 22:04.58 | jelly-home | jordanm: that approach can result in having wine 1.0 in current stable while 1.2 existed at freeze time |
| 22:05.18 | jelly-home | (ok, that example is not right) |
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| 22:06.22 | jelly-home | jordanm: the difference between stable branches can be quite large, while difference from devel becoming stable is often minor |
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| 22:07.27 | alternut | hello everyone, need some help, I used webmin to change my LVM volume group name, and now I cant boot my squeeze server, how can I fix this? |
| 22:07.39 | jordanm | !tell alternut about webmin |
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| 22:07.58 | stew | alternut: boot with rescue media, fix /etc/fstab, rebuild your initramfs |
| 22:08.08 | stew | alternut: and fix the grub config |
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| 22:09.04 | jhutchins_lt | alternut: This is why we don't use webmin. When it messes up, you have to know how you would have configured it correctly in the first place, and your chances of recovery are very low. |
| 22:09.32 | alternut | okay, I thought webmin was to make it easier, what would you recommend then? |
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| 22:09.40 | jhutchins_lt | alternut: You'll probably have to boot to a live CD and find the current LVM groupname, then manually fix grub to use it. |
| 22:09.46 | stew | alternut: we'd recommend not trying to admin your machine via the web |
| 22:09.55 | nick_h | if i add backports to my APT sources, how can i configure APT to ignore backported packages unless i specifically ask aptitude to use backports (with the -t option) |
| 22:09.58 | jelly-home | alternut: no easy answer. "hire a sysadmin" |
| 22:10.04 | jhutchins_lt | alternut: Make sure you _DISABLE_ webmin before you reboot or it may break the system again. |
| 22:10.09 | geggam | points stew to rackspace *grin* |
| 22:10.11 | stew | alternut: an easier fix would probably be to rename the vg back to the original name with vgrename |
| 22:10.11 | alternut | its a private server |
| 22:10.15 | ok_wait | hi all, i'm having trouble setting up a usb wireless network device on a debian based laptop. the module is rt2500usb and the output from lsmod | grep usb is http://pastie.org/2905797 the device doesn't show up in the network manager and modprobe rt2500usb returned no output. any ideas how to get this working? |
| 22:10.17 | alternut | so I can learn |
| 22:10.19 | stew | geggam: I don't understand? |
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| 22:10.28 | jhutchins_lt | alternut: Learn to administer it correctly. |
| 22:10.31 | geggam | rackspace == cloud... you have to admin from the web |
| 22:10.51 | geggam | was a joke |
| 22:10.55 | stew | geggam: dunno, I use ssh to admin boxes at rackspace |
| 22:10.56 | arghx | !tell ok_wait about rt2500usb |
| 22:10.59 | stew | geggam: and puppet |
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| 22:11.09 | geggam | they are xen... yes ? |
| 22:11.12 | alternut | jhutchins_lt: saying that doesnt help, I need to know resources to learn it.. |
| 22:11.28 | stew | geggam: they? what do you mean? |
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| 22:11.54 | geggam | never mind stew.. i was trying to be funny and you are way too serious... the admin panel of the cloud servers .. |
| 22:11.58 | jhutchins_lt | alternut: Most services will have a man page (man <service>). If you're not sure, use apropos <string> to find related man pages. |
| 22:12.26 | jhutchins_lt | alternut: Some are good and helpful, others are obtuse. http://tldp.org is your friend. So are O'Reilly books. |
| 22:12.57 | jhutchins_lt | alternut: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
| 22:13.10 | ok_wait | arghx, is there a bot that was supposed to tell me about rt2500usb? |
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| 22:13.16 | alternut | ok thanks |
| 22:13.22 | arghx | ok_wait: it did |
| 22:13.32 | arghx | ok_wait: 3 minutes ago |
| 22:13.52 | jhutchins_lt | alternut: Webmin is just notorious for this kind of problem. |
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| 22:13.57 | ok_wait | ah didn't see the pm ty |
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| 22:14.00 | alternut | i just renamed the volume group back to the original, should I get some sort of confirmation? right now its just blank lines when I hit enter |
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| 22:14.19 | stew | alternut: "vgdisplay" will list all the known vgs |
| 22:15.27 | alternut | it appears no commands will work right now..in recovery... hit enter, new line, nothing happens |
| 22:15.45 | stew | alternut: what is the prompt you are typing into? |
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| 22:15.57 | stew | alternut: i'll bet it is waiting you to close a quote from a previous line or something |
| 22:16.08 | stew | alternut: see if ctrl-c gets you back to a top level prompt |
| 22:16.09 | alternut | booted into recovery |
| 22:16.13 | alternut | nope |
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| 22:16.49 | alternut | last command I typed at the prompt which is a # btw...was vgrename oldname newname |
| 22:17.13 | alternut | no # after that |
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| 22:17.47 | jhutchins_lt | !lvm tutorial |
| 22:17.47 | dpkg | [lvm_tutorial] ibmdevworks tutorial http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lvm/, or http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-lvm2.html |
| 22:18.37 | stew | alternut: hmm, that command looks correct to me |
| 22:19.02 | alternut | hmm, switched terminals, control alt Fsomething, got a different terminal, tried it again, and it looks like it already worked |
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| 22:19.34 | jhutchins_lt | alternut: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO.html http://www.linuxcommand.org/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2005/05/20/terminal1.html http://www.ischool.berkeley.edu/~kevin/unix-tutorial/toc.html |
| 22:20.49 | alternut | thanks for the help, looks like it can boot up fine now |
| 22:22.28 | stew | why on earth would he read a Mac OSX tutorial? |
| 22:22.34 | nick_h | where can one find an explanation of the letters in the left-hand column of the output from "dpkg -l"? For example, what the "A" means here: i A nginx-full |
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| 22:23.07 | arghx | nick_h: read the first 2 lines of the output |
| 22:23.20 | arghx | correction: first 3 lines |
| 22:24.12 | nick_h | hah, thanks, arghx. i was piping the output through grep, so the first 3 lines weren't being displayed |
| 22:25.26 | ok_wait | arghx, the device still won't detect wireless networks. it shows up in iwconfig and ifconfig, tried ifconfig wlan0 up and it returned no output. can you point me in the right direction? |
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| 22:26.03 | arghx | use iwlist to scan for nearby networks |
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| 22:26.29 | arghx | ok_wait: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 22:26.43 | ok_wait | no results |
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| 22:27.40 | dym | Hey - my "tftp-hpa" package is lacking a /etc/default/tftp-hpa - is that normal? |
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| 22:28.39 | felispeskus | what's going down 'yall? |
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| 22:29.24 | felispeskus | I've got an old debian box that runs a dhcp server and has inet static, and i've connected this machine to another box with a static IP on it's corresponding interface, what do i need to do set up the routing between them? |
| 22:29.28 | ok_wait | i know how to configure an interface i just can't if it doesn't show up to configure |
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| 22:29.52 | felispeskus | ok_wait: vi /etc/netwroking/interfaces |
| 22:30.06 | arghx | ok_wait: you really say it doesn't show up in iwconfig at all? |
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| 22:30.13 | neersighted | Hallo! |
| 22:30.16 | chrisward | I'm having a bit of trouble connecting to the apt repository, (ftp.uk.debian.org) is it down or should I try a restart |
| 22:30.19 | chrisward | go away neer :P |
| 22:30.21 | da2ce7 | hello! |
| 22:30.22 | neersighted | XD |
| 22:30.29 | neersighted | stalks his admin arround |
| 22:30.29 | neersighted | XD |
| 22:30.40 | arghx | felispeskus: are they in the same subnet? |
| 22:30.46 | felispeskus | arghx: sure |
| 22:30.57 | felispeskus | 192.168.1.100 |
| 22:31.01 | arghx | felispeskus: nothing then |
| 22:31.07 | felispeskus | arghx: 'cept the box doesn't route to it |
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| 22:31.18 | Slystone | chrisward: why not try the American one? |
| 22:31.25 | neersighted | He's a aussie |
| 22:31.25 | stew | chrisward: it appears to not be listening to http now, but works with ftp |
| 22:31.26 | chrisward | what's the URL? |
| 22:31.27 | felispeskus | on accounta the rest of the network being 192.168 too |
| 22:31.28 | arghx | felispeskus: which is why I asked if they are in the same subnet. if they are, what else do you want to route? and why? |
| 22:31.31 | ok_wait | arghx, it shows up in iwconfig and in ifconfig but not in the network manager and iwlist wlan0 scan returns no results. the device is right next to my wireless router |
| 22:31.45 | chrisward | and where's the apt file again? /etc/apt? |
| 22:31.46 | ok_wait | i'm using wicd |
| 22:31.51 | arghx | ok_wait: then config it via interfaces |
| 22:31.55 | neersighted | /etc/apt/sources |
| 22:31.57 | felispeskus | arghx: the box has many interfaces. the internet, 192.168.3 - which i'm dhcp for, and this other interface |
| 22:31.58 | neersighted | i think |
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| 22:32.04 | stew | chrisward: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:32.04 | chrisward | sources.list I think... |
| 22:32.06 | neersighted | roots arround |
| 22:32.11 | Slystone | Hum... good question. What's your Debian? Squeeze? Testing? ... |
| 22:32.11 | neersighted | yep |
| 22:32.15 | neersighted | lenny |
| 22:32.19 | chrisward | what's the server name? ftp.us.debian.org? |
| 22:32.31 | stew | chrisward: what country are you in? |
| 22:32.37 | felispeskus | arghx: if I run dhclient on that interface, the other box is gives me a 192.168.1.* number, but thclient messes up the routes (sending everything to the other box, which nolonger has an internet connection) |
| 22:32.37 | arghx | felispeskus: if the static IPs are set properly that doesn't matter. agaiN: you said it's in the same subnet. there is no routing there cause no one needs to route |
| 22:32.41 | chrisward | I'm in Australia, but the server's in US |
| 22:32.53 | stew | chrisward: then yes, ftp.us.debian.org is good |
| 22:32.59 | chrisward | okay, I'll try it... |
| 22:33.00 | felispeskus | arghx: stop repeating yourself and read all the things i've said since |
| 22:33.09 | arghx | felispeskus: good luck |
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| 22:33.40 | felispeskus | i'm confused as to how just having an IP on the wire would be enough to route there |
| 22:34.09 | chrisward | it appears to be working now, thanks :-) |
| 22:34.11 | arghx | felispeskus: cause you also set such minor things at netmask and the like when setting up an IP |
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| 22:34.22 | neersighted | lawl |
| 22:34.22 | ok_wait | arghx, Interface doesn't support scanning. ? |
| 22:34.29 | maxo | hello, any recommendations on a good application just for reading mbox files? |
| 22:34.40 | arghx | ok_wait: I don't know |
| 22:34.43 | arghx | maxo: mutt? |
| 22:34.59 | ok_wait | arghx, well that's ok, thank you for trying |
| 22:35.13 | arghx | ok_wait: have you done what I told you? |
| 22:36.33 | maxo | arghx, good point, thanks :-) |
| 22:36.37 | Bazzare2001 | hello, I have a SAMBA server running on the newest debian and I have a issue. every time a file is opend on a remote machine running windows, say microsoft word, it creats a temp file. lets say the document is word.doc it will create a ~$rd.doc temp file. how ever the issue is after microsoft word is closed it will not delete the temp file. any solutions? |
| 22:36.58 | ok_wait | arghx, the contents of /etc/network/interfaces consists of 1 auto lo 2 iface lo inet loopback |
| 22:37.28 | ok_wait | arghx, eth0 isn't even there |
| 22:37.35 | arghx | ok_wait: and? |
| 22:37.41 | ok_wait | that's it |
| 22:37.49 | arghx | ok_wait: yes. and? |
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| 22:38.21 | ok_wait | configurations for eth0 aren't in this file and it works just fine, why would configurations for wlan0 need to exist here? |
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| 22:38.55 | web21 | When reading man pages or other docs trying to figure how how to use or set up something, I often encouter statements like, "if <programme> was compiled with support for <feature> built in, you can do such-and-such". Is there some was to know what things have been built-in to a programme in a deb package? |
| 22:40.06 | da2ce7 | lol |
| 22:40.19 | stew | web21: you can often tell by looking at the package dependency list. like when it says "if compiled with ssl support..." see if it depends on openssl. otherwise you can download the source and look at the build instructions in the debian/rules file |
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| 22:40.50 | stew | web21: you can also try looking at "ldd /path/to/binary" to see what libraries it is linked against |
| 22:40.54 | ok_wait | also that link you sent for me to review says this Your wireless interface should not be referenced within Debian's /etc/network/interfaces file. |
| 22:41.45 | Dulak | web21: many things have a command line option to see the various modules or whatever they were compiled with. apache -l for example to see the various options it was compiled with. |
| 22:42.04 | Bazzare2001 | hellow can someone please direct me to the server help chat room? |
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| 22:42.26 | stew | Bazzare2001: what do you mean exactly? help with what? |
| 22:42.30 | Bazzare2001 | hello, I have a SAMBA server running on the newest debian and I have a issue. every time a file is opend on a remote machine running windows, say microsoft word, it creats a temp file. lets say the document is word.doc it will create a ~$rd.doc temp file. how ever the issue is after microsoft word is closed it will not delete the temp file. any solutions? |
| 22:42.56 | stew | Bazzare2001: perhaps try ##windows |
| 22:43.09 | Dulak | Bazzare2001: it's word doing that, not samba |
| 22:43.35 | Bazzare2001 | Dulak: thanks, do you have any idea on how this can be fixed? |
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| 22:43.42 | web21 | stew, Dulak: OK, thanks. |
| 22:44.01 | jhutchins_lt | Bazzare2001: There's also #samba, but these guys usually know what they're talking about. |
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| 22:44.26 | jhutchins_lt | Bazzare2001: The files may be hidden on the Windows filesystem from Windows. |
| 22:44.30 | Dulak | Bazzare2001: I wrote a script that clears those files after a week, it's a recovery thing in the office apps, in case it crashes when you are editing |
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| 22:45.45 | jhutchins_lt | Dulak: Does it do multiple revisions or just a single backup? |
| 22:46.14 | Bazzare2001 | Dulak: okay that is what I thought it was for, recovery while editing. I was thinking of writing a script, and I got as far as doing a search quarry for ~$ but I do not know if important system files might start with ~$ and if not then how can I get linux to del the search quarry. if you do not mind sharing this ti would be much appreciated |
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| 22:46.56 | Dulak | jhutchins_lt: yeah I believe they are marked hidden on the ntfs, and I'm not sure if it's multiples or not, I never spent enough time using MS products to find out. I just figured that after a week the file was not worth much anymore since we have daily snapshots for backup |
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| 22:47.48 | felispeskus | where can i find docs on the output of ifconfig, specifically what UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST are collectively called, and what they mean |
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| 22:48.12 | Dulak | Bazzare2001: use the extension too, to be sure you only delete the right files. I believe excel does the exact same thing but with xls as the extension. Also limit the script to only searching your samba share dirs |
| 22:48.58 | Bazzare2001 | is there a way to turn this feature off in word that you know of by any chance? |
| 22:49.14 | jhutchins_lt | Bazzare2001: Why not leave it on and let it protect you? |
| 22:49.20 | Dulak | Bazzare2001: I don't know, I don't use MS products |
| 22:49.52 | Bazzare2001 | because there are stupid people in my work who does not see the use in temp files...and if the boss tells me to do something than I do it. |
| 22:50.01 | Bazzare2001 | and if something happens I do a told you so number |
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| 22:53.23 | Dulak | Bazzare2001: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/277010 |
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| 22:55.36 | raketti | a tiny problem with synergy.. i can grab my pointer and kbd from my M$ laptop, but they won't return... O_o |
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| 23:08.08 | TomasHanzel | Hi, can you help me please? i want to remove postfix but: http://pastebin.com/uTe1hMdc |
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| 23:08.58 | chilicuil | has anyone used apt behind a proxy?, I'm trying to do it and it works great however when it can't connect to the proxy apt fails miserably, I'd like that apt could go and fetch the packages from the official repositories if no local proxy is available, right now I've added the following "Acquire::http { Proxy "http://localhost:9999"; };" to the /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01myproxy file |
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| 23:13.24 | arghx | TomasHanzel: I'm guessing postfix isn't running currently at all? |
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| 23:17.40 | Miesco_ | Looking for a pdf reader where I do not need a mouse |
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| 23:17.51 | Miesco_ | xpdf only has pageup/pagedown |
| 23:18.12 | Miesco_ | I need more options for scrolling |
| 23:18.39 | TomasHanzel | arghx: right, it isnt |
| 23:18.53 | evilbulgarian | hi, what is the most accurate way to determine the fqdn of an system? |
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| 23:24.00 | Sevet | evilbulgarian: try 'hostname -f' |
| 23:24.21 | evilbulgarian | Sevet: yeah just dont get alot of systems that have that entered in |
| 23:24.42 | Sevet | do you mean of the ip then? reverse dns lookup |
| 23:24.47 | evilbulgarian | Sevet: that requires that domain is filled out right in resolv.conf |
| 23:25.02 | Sevet | but again, that requires dns to be filled in |
| 23:25.19 | evilbulgarian | yeah i guess im looking for a good way to get the dns suffix |
| 23:25.26 | evilbulgarian | and not counting that ppl entered it in |
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| 23:27.03 | Schiz0 | This is a dumb scripting question: I'm using `tail -F file.log | sed 's/search/replace/` to monitor a logfile. |
| 23:27.28 | Schiz0 | If I pipe it through sed again, to search something else and replace it with something, it doesn't work properly. |
| 23:27.56 | Schiz0 | Sed can't be piped into sed, apparently. What can I use to do such a thing? search/replace multiple lines in a tail -F |
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| 23:28.18 | JoHNMiDGLeY | just put multiple expressions in |
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| 23:28.35 | Schiz0 | In sed? |
| 23:28.41 | Schiz0 | googles how to do that |
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| 23:28.58 | JoHNMiDGLeY | either multiple -e or command delimiter ; |
| 23:29.14 | JoHNMiDGLeY | 's/lol/dongs/g;s/dongs/lol/g' |
| 23:29.31 | JoHNMiDGLeY | or -e 's/lol/dongs/g' -e 's/dongs/lol/g' |
| 23:30.03 | Schiz0 | ah, ok, thank you |
| 23:30.08 | JoHNMiDGLeY | np hombre |
| 23:30.16 | Schiz0 | I've been using linux for a long time, but I never really learned how to sed or awk properly, heh |
| 23:30.27 | Schiz0 | Figured I should |
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| 23:34.46 | abrotman | Schiz0: you can't do this what? |
| 23:34.47 | abrotman | $ echo foo | sed -e 's/foo/bar/' | sed -e 's/bar/baz/' |
| 23:34.47 | abrotman | baz |
| 23:34.49 | mastro | I would like to free some space from thunderbird (seamonkey) -- I changed the setting of local sync to keep only the last 30 messages -- how do I te |
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| 23:35.03 | mastro | tell thunderbird to free space by removing the old messages? |
| 23:35.03 | abrotman | mastro: truncated |
| 23:35.10 | mastro | abrotman, I know sorry :) |
| 23:35.12 | abrotman | mastro: tried closing/re-opening ? |
| 23:35.48 | mastro | abrotman, tried closing and re-opening, tried also to issue "compat folder" and "free cache" in the preference menu |
| 23:35.49 | Schiz0 | abrotman: I was doing something more like this: tail -n 60 -F /var/log/apache2/access.log | sed 's/x.x.x.98/person1/' | sed 's/x.x.x.26/person2/' |
| 23:36.18 | abrotman | Schiz0: did you try with -e ? |
| 23:36.21 | Schiz0 | Maybe because I was missing the -e? but it didn't print any of the lines it replaced and such |
| 23:36.25 | Schiz0 | i didn't, ^ |
| 23:36.28 | Schiz0 | I'll try |
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| 23:36.41 | mastro | abrotman, I'm thinking of manually removing the folders from the hidden directory in the home.. but I would rather avoid it if possible |
| 23:36.46 | abrotman | mastro: FWIW, compat folder takes some time and IIRC only does it when you click on the folder |
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| 23:37.34 | Schiz0 | abrotman: still doesn't work right with -e. tail piped into sed works, but not tail piped into sed piped into sed |
| 23:37.48 | Schiz0 | "doesn't work right" meaning it doesn't print any of the matching lines at all |
| 23:39.12 | Schiz0 | abrotman: JoHNMiDGLeY solution works: used sed -e |
| 23:39.13 | abrotman | Schiz0: i don't see why it owuldn't .. but okay .. maybe ask #sed for clarification |
| 23:39.17 | Schiz0 | s/search/replace |
| 23:39.22 | abrotman | i saw his also |
| 23:39.24 | Schiz0 | sorry, keep hitting enter instead of ' |
| 23:39.28 | Schiz0 | i apoglize, haha |
| 23:39.38 | Schiz0 | yeah, that works, i just tested it. |
| 23:39.42 | Schiz0 | I'll try asking #sed, thanks |
| 23:39.53 | mastro | abrotman, so I had to execute compat folder on every single folder? |
| 23:40.23 | abrotman | mastro: i don't recall .. it's been awhile since I tried .. hopefully they fixed it by now |
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| 23:40.34 | TomasHanzel | Please, can you really help me? : http://pastebin.com/RdekXUmf |
| 23:40.49 | abrotman | mastro: if the whole thing is an IMAP store ... i'd delete the local cache |
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| 23:41.02 | arghx | TomasHanzel: I suggest you edit the postinst file for postfix and remove the invoke-rc command which wants to sop it |
| 23:41.05 | arghx | *stop |
| 23:41.25 | abrotman | TomasHanzel: if you `apt-cache show mailman` .. what is the candidate ? |
| 23:41.40 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 23:41.49 | abrotman | TomasHanzel: if you `apt-cache policy mailman' .. what is the candidate |
| 23:41.55 | TomasHanzel | minute |
| 23:41.57 | abrotman | is getting old :) |
| 23:42.01 | arghx | TomasHanzel: did you fix the postfix problem? |
| 23:42.16 | kevmo314 | Hi, how can I configure alsa to send line in to line out in a loopback? I know this is probably obvious, sorry I'm completely new to alsa. |
| 23:42.23 | TomasHanzel | arghx: No, i dont see answer i think: |
| 23:42.25 | TomasHanzel | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/KHq6uZ0W |
| 23:42.42 | TomasHanzel | arghx: omg,..yes i fixed postfix problem i think |
| 23:43.10 | abrotman | it's saying you somehow messed up that configuratoin |
| 23:43.30 | mastro | abrotman, ok... what do I delete to avoid having to re-set all my accounts? |
| 23:43.39 | mastro | abrotman, I have 6 gmail account, all imap+ |
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| 23:44.06 | abrotman | mastro: a) you have too many accounts b) IIRC there's a directory per account that has a cache |
| 23:45.05 | TomasHanzel | What next guys? i duno how to fix it :-( |
| 23:45.13 | mastro | abrotman, a) that's not related to the issue :) b) yeah.. but doesn't that also contains account setting? |
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| 23:46.52 | abrotman | mastro: a) no, but it's just sad :) b) IIRC, there's an accounts.rdf .. let me double check |
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| 23:46.58 | abrotman | a single accounts.rdf |
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| 23:51.40 | abrotman | mastro: if you look in your .mozilla .. you sohuld see like a prefs.js .. i believe that holds your IMAP info .. the obvious answer is to move the files aside, then try them .. instead of just deleting |
| 23:52.23 | mastro | abrotman, I'll try |
| 23:52.43 | abrotman | mastro: search around for the single file that holds your account info .. just be careful and not actually delete anything |
| 23:52.43 | BLZbubba | hello there, is there a grub boot option I can use to choose between nvidia and nouveau? (forget about the x.org part, i'm just thinking about the .ko files) |
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| 23:53.54 | abrotman | BLZbubba: try to blacklist a kernel module at the command line? |
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