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| 00:06.00 | photon | Does Debian include Firefox? |
| 00:07.07 | DrMrHorse | no, it has an unbranded version called "iceweasel" |
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| 00:07.54 | photon | what's the difference? why is iceweasel there and not firefox? and can I install firefox? |
| 00:08.00 | abrotman | rebranded .. not unbranded |
| 00:08.04 | abrotman | !why iceweasel |
| 00:08.05 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 00:08.08 | DrMrHorse | yes, rebranded |
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| 00:08.35 | DrMrHorse | brand-improved |
| 00:09.54 | DrMrHorse | also, you can get firefox from mozilla directly that will work with debian, just not a .deb file |
| 00:10.18 | galaxy27 | easier to just use ice weasel |
| 00:10.47 | galaxy27 | the debian way |
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| 00:11.58 | DrMrHorse | true, but i can see installing firefox for a girlfriend or something, crazier things have been done for love |
| 00:12.51 | abrotman | anyway ... |
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| 00:13.59 | photon | Seems like Iceweasel might be more secure than FF, or am I misreading that: “Additionally, as Debian releases are frozen on a long-term basis, software in the frozen stable releases needs to be patched for any newly-discovered security issue. Under the revised guidelines, in order to use the Firefox name, approval from the Mozilla Corporation would have been required for all security patches, but the Debian project felt it could not put its security |
| 00:13.59 | photon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:14.22 | arghx | photon: you misread |
| 00:15.00 | arghx | basically iceweasel 3.6 is still "current" in debian stable while mozilla has totally abandoned that. but squeeze security team still needs to be able to patch that when needed |
| 00:15.17 | arghx | ie. debian supports their software longer than mozilla, that's all |
| 00:15.44 | abrotman | and that's the way it works with most things in debian compared to upstream |
| 00:16.16 | photon | oh. gotcha. but that also means that Debian devs need to look for and patch security holes themselves, as compared to the actual developers of the product, no? |
| 00:16.25 | abrotman | a little of both |
| 00:17.10 | photon | what the article does not really touch on, is there any significant difference between Iceweasel x.y and Firefox x.y? is it just a fork with different logos and longer support, or are there significant changes? |
| 00:17.25 | DrMrHorse | i like that my addons for mozilla still work when everyone elses are dropping like flies on firefox |
| 00:17.29 | photon | i.e. in terms of plugins. |
| 00:17.35 | abrotman | photon: mostly the same |
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| 00:29.17 | Mac_Weber | hello |
| 00:29.33 | Mac_Weber | I created a script /etc/init.d/my_script |
| 00:30.16 | Mac_Weber | but "insserv solr" returns this error " missing LSB tags and overrides" |
| 00:30.20 | Mac_Weber | how to solve it? |
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| 00:30.59 | babilen | !tell Mac_Weber -about missing lsb tags |
| 00:31.16 | babilen | Mac_Weber: Just base your script on /etc/init.d/skeleton and define the correct tags |
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| 00:32.08 | Mac_Weber | babilen: what tags are these? the script runs ok at ubuntu |
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| 00:32.52 | nfsfool | Hello peoples: I am trying to mount a nfs share in a way that all files written to it will automatically belong to a certain group/uid |
| 00:33.12 | babilen | Mac_Weber: Read the wiki page linked in the factoid dpkg told you about. The tags essentially define dependencies of scripts in order to come up with a complete ordering for the dependency based boot system. |
| 00:33.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | Mac_Weber: they should fix thier init system tehn |
| 00:33.56 | Mac_Weber | babilen: thanks, I will read that |
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| 00:35.03 | jhutchins_lt | Mac_Weber: Do you know what "LSB" stands for? |
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| 00:38.20 | Mac_Weber | jhutchins_lt: I have no idea |
| 00:40.47 | abrotman | does it really matter? |
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| 00:45.30 | nfsfool | every time one user writes a file to the nfs music share it inherits this users ownership/group and permissions and the other users cannot read it |
| 00:45.41 | xixor | Hi everyone, a quick question I hope: how do I modify the default debian wallpaper? I've tried using xloadimage -onroot /path/to/image.png, and when I quite xmonad, I see the wallpaper, but while the WM is running, it only shows the default debian background. I am using gdm3 if that makes a difference |
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| 00:47.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | nfsfool: try ownership squashing, or just sticky bits |
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| 00:48.04 | SuperPhly | using ACLs, how do i specify the default owner/group of a file created in a directory? |
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| 00:48.18 | nfsfool | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks for the tip! looking it up |
| 00:48.31 | abrotman | xixor: xmonad may have its own tool |
| 00:48.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | SuperPhly: your question is remarkably similar to nfsfools |
| 00:49.15 | SuperPhly | Kamping_Kaiser: yeah, i'm actually reading up... |
| 00:49.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 00:49.32 | SuperPhly | except, i'm not using NFS, which it sounds like he is |
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| 00:50.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | SuperPhly: sticky bits will allow everyone to read/write the files, i don't think you can force thier owner to something specific though |
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| 00:52.55 | eyeris | Since upgrading my testing install, gdm3 spawns a ~60 displays |
| 00:53.08 | SuperPhly | Kamping_Kaiser: i guess using the sticky bit and not even worrying about ACL's would work... wait, no it wouldn't. |
| 00:53.48 | eyeris | Running service gdm3 stop doesn't actually stop it |
| 00:53.57 | abrotman | what happens instead / |
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| 00:54.38 | eyeris | Nothing happens to gdm. The command claims to have stopped gdm but it's still running |
| 00:55.10 | eyeris | Even if I run it 1000s of times in a loop (i.e. the problem is not that service gdm3 stop only kills one display) |
| 00:55.53 | eyeris | I can stop it with: killall gdm-simple-slave |
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| 00:56.39 | eyeris | though even when I do that, the Xorg processes remain |
| 00:57.21 | eyeris | The slaves seem to spawn after I log in |
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| 00:59.26 | eyeris | It doesn't happen if I login with the GNOME/Openbox session option though |
| 00:59.40 | abrotman | checked the BTS? |
| 01:00.37 | eyeris | I looked at gdm but maybe I should check metacity |
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| 01:01.57 | abrotman | check the one that owns the misbehaving binary? |
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| 01:04.29 | eyeris | I would, but I can't find a gdm-simple-slave |
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| 01:05.48 | abrotman | wheezy? |
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| 01:06.46 | eyeris | Yeah |
| 01:07.00 | eyeris | I think I found the interaction that is problematic |
| 01:07.01 | eyeris | gdm-simple-slave[29058]: WARNING: Failed to get value: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus) |
| 01:07.19 | abrotman | judd: file gdm-simple-slave --release wheezy |
| 01:07.22 | judd | Search for gdm-simple-slave in wheezy/i386: gdm3: usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-simple-slave |
| 01:07.34 | abrotman | eyeris: is dbus running ? |
| 01:08.13 | eyeris | It is right because it is logged in under openbox |
| 01:08.22 | eyeris | Let me log out and log back in using the normal session |
| 01:09.17 | eyeris | OK, logged out and the opembox dbus launcher stopped but the system daemon and another dbus proc are still running |
| 01:10.48 | eyeris | Strange -- now the normal GNOME session works |
| 01:11.14 | eyeris | I will reboot it to see if dbus is properly started from a cold boot vs if openbox somehow prompted it to start |
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| 01:12.12 | nfsfool | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks (all_squash, anongid=x, anonuid=x) worked! |
| 01:12.59 | nfsfool | Kamping_Kaiser: another harry one, umask... google "nfs mount umask" is dead end after dead end |
| 01:13.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | nfsfool: man mount should mention umasks |
| 01:14.07 | nfsfool | yes, but mount.nfs is apparently treated differently |
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| 01:15.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | nfsfool: different in what way? |
| 01:15.04 | nfsfool | as far as the -o you can pass on to it |
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| 01:16.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | i've not tired sorry, so i won't be able to help you with that bit |
| 01:16.51 | nfsfool | np! =) |
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| 01:18.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) gl |
| 01:18.42 | nfsfool | thanks I will need... from I got so far dont think is possible |
| 01:18.42 | eyeris | Strange -- now I can't reproduce it |
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| 01:24.11 | exaboy | how do i set my hostname so sendmail |
| 01:24.34 | boudiccas | exaboy; so sendmail what? |
| 01:24.59 | exaboy | behaves with its ctladdr |
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| 01:25.48 | lotus-blade | ok I am having an issue playing dvd video |
| 01:25.56 | lotus-blade | how do I get it to work? |
| 01:26.21 | abrotman | what is the issue? |
| 01:26.38 | boudiccas | lotus-blade; get what to work? what program are you using for it, and what sound system are you using please? |
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| 01:27.30 | lotus-blade | vlc and player. not sure of sound |
| 01:28.13 | lotus-blade | get ane erroer in movie player saying may be encrypted |
| 01:28.21 | exaboy | damn server is sending the emails as <www-data@mydomain.com |
| 01:28.27 | nevyn | do you have libdvdcss installed? |
| 01:28.34 | nevyn | lotus-blade: ? |
| 01:28.53 | lotus-blade | checking now |
| 01:28.55 | cthuluh | exaboy: so it's setting correctly the domain part, no? |
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| 01:29.11 | exaboy | its setting the domain ok just not the user. |
| 01:29.20 | exaboy | i dont want it sent as www-data |
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| 01:29.48 | cthuluh | then tell sendmail to allow www-data to send mail as other users |
| 01:29.51 | exaboy | the mail its being sent via php so im not sure if its a php config |
| 01:30.08 | cthuluh | ah... start with that, of course |
| 01:31.27 | stew | exaboy: how are you sending it from php? |
| 01:32.07 | exaboy | with a megaton of headers set ;) using the mail function |
| 01:32.46 | stew | exaboy: is the From: header one of those headers? |
| 01:32.56 | lotus-blade | nevyn: don't see it, not even in the respos |
| 01:33.10 | nevyn | !d-m |
| 01:33.10 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
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| 01:33.43 | nevyn | it's not in debian. |
| 01:33.58 | nevyn | because of patents. and other legal encumberances. |
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| 01:34.14 | stew | not patents |
| 01:34.55 | Dewi | stew: ? |
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| 01:35.16 | stew | among the reasons that libdvdcss is not in debian, patents is not one of them |
| 01:35.24 | Dewi | oh, yeah |
| 01:35.30 | Dewi | thought you meant multimedia generally |
| 01:35.34 | nevyn | right. |
| 01:35.51 | exaboy | stew: yeah mate among 5 other headers for reply, container ... |
| 01:35.53 | nevyn | not in Debian for patent-related reasons. yeah I didn't think that applied in this case |
| 01:36.05 | exaboy | php.net/sendmail_path has the answer. its in the php.ini |
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| 01:36.14 | stew | exaboy: is the From: address being replaced? or are you talking about the envelope From? |
| 01:36.29 | cthuluh | I believe it's just the latter |
| 01:37.02 | nevyn | stew: libdvdcss is mostly about DMCA |
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| 01:38.40 | exaboy | stew: ive fixed it. |
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| 01:39.16 | exaboy | it was phps sendmail setting for the from address. if you dont specify one it goes and makes it up :) |
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| 01:42.52 | sarkis | hey guys, thinking bout replacing ubuntu 11.10 with linux mint debian edition |
| 01:43.13 | sarkis | can someone here vouch for lmde :P |
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| 01:43.27 | abrotman | sarkis: this is not #ubuntu nor #mint .. sorry, try another channel |
| 01:44.25 | stew | sarkis: you might try ##linux |
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| 01:46.26 | Joelito | hi, does anyone know a program like usbmount package but for CDroms? |
| 01:46.44 | abrotman | like pmount ? |
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| 01:46.48 | abrotman | ivman? |
| 01:46.51 | abrotman | hides |
| 01:47.31 | Joelito | ow, :p |
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| 01:53.14 | peterrooney | Remind me to never install debian stable again |
| 01:53.27 | peterrooney | ~ 05:52 PM #dpkg-reconfigure e16-data |
| 01:53.36 | peterrooney | dpkg-maintscript-helper: error: environment variable DPKG_MAINTSCRIPT_NAME is required |
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| 01:56.00 | Artemis3 | peterrooney, maybe you mean never install e16 from squeeze? |
| 01:56.35 | peterrooney | well, I get the same with cron |
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| 01:57.10 | peterrooney | actually, the error is slightly different with cron, but I've got massive debconf problems with a fresh squeeze install |
| 01:57.46 | Artemis3 | weird i have installed too many squeezes and not noticed anything that bad (altho i didn't try using e16 ;) |
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| 01:58.44 | civillian | Artemis3: squeezi? |
| 01:59.18 | peterrooney | ~ 05:58 PM # dpkg-reconfigure cron |
| 01:59.26 | peterrooney | Stopping periodic command scheduler: cron failed! |
| 01:59.33 | Artemis3 | ^^; |
| 01:59.35 | peterrooney | dpkg-maintscript-helper: error: couldn't identify the package |
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| 02:00.23 | Artemis3 | something tells me there is something else going on in that machine |
| 02:00.49 | peterrooney | Artemis3: Yes, and I would like to discover what it is. I'm even willing to ask for help. |
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| 02:02.26 | Dewi | peterrooney: are your packages and dpkg from the same source & for same release? |
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| 02:03.17 | peterrooney | squeeze, yes. ftp.ca.debian.org |
| 02:06.21 | mosno | why isn't /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules a conffile? |
| 02:06.34 | lotus-blade | nevyn: libdvdcss2 worked. thnx |
| 02:08.17 | abrotman | mosno: you mean owned by a package? probably because it's generated instead of installed |
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| 02:08.57 | mosno | abrotman, whoops, i forgot to check if it was owned. thanks |
| 02:09.31 | mosno | apparently i can modify it as long as i keep each rule on a single line, and change only the value of the NAME= key |
| 02:09.40 | stew | mosno: that file is changed dynamically which makes it unsuitable as a conffile |
| 02:09.45 | mosno | what i actually want to do is remove 3 entries... so let's see if that borks anything |
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| 02:10.31 | mosno | stew, yeah my brain didn't make that connect. that is mentioned as comments in the top of the file. |
| 02:10.43 | mosno | ie. it is mentioned that is is generated from a program |
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| 02:11.25 | mosno | well, the removal of entries seemed to work |
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| 02:13.14 | wolfric | does debsecan normally return piles of security cves even when you're fully patched via apt-get upgrade? |
| 02:13.30 | wolfric | i just 244 security issues on an apparentlly fully patched system |
| 02:14.18 | peterrooney | so, what I'm wondering is where DPKG_MAINTSCRIPT_NAME is supposed to be defined, usually. |
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| 02:15.08 | stew | peterrooney: its defined by dpkg |
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| 02:16.01 | civillian | wolfric: isn't it possible to have current software with known exploits? |
| 02:16.36 | peterrooney | stew: I doubt that. grep DPKG_MAINTSCRIPT_NAME $(dpkg -L dpkg) only shows the tests performed in dpkg-maintscript-helper - not anywhere exported. |
| 02:16.44 | abrotman | wolfric: yes .. that is normal .. also see security-tracker.debian.net .. may explain more |
| 02:17.01 | stew | peterrooney: look at do_script in src/help.c |
| 02:17.19 | civillian | wolfric: on my wheezy box here debsecan | wc -l == 3599 |
| 02:17.21 | civillian | :) |
| 02:17.28 | stew | peterrooney: setenv("DPKG_MAINTSCRIPT_NAME", cmd->argv[0], 1) |
| 02:17.39 | peterrooney | pardon my mistake. |
| 02:17.54 | peterrooney | I hadn't realized I'd have to dig into source code to install squeeze. |
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| 02:18.28 | mosno | can i get apt/aptitude to purge instead of remove by default? |
| 02:18.34 | peterrooney | stew: so, how should I go about fixing it? |
| 02:18.57 | mosno | eg. when packages are removed during a dist-upgrade, i would prefer if they were purged |
| 02:19.31 | stew | peterrooney: what version of dpkg is installed? |
| 02:20.18 | peterrooney | stew: 1.15.8.11 |
| 02:21.04 | peterrooney | at least, that's what dpkg -l says, and I don't know if I can trust it at the moment. |
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| 02:23.35 | stew | peterrooney: this is a fresh install? or how did you get here? |
| 02:24.24 | peterrooney | netinstall this morning (GMT -0800) |
| 02:26.27 | peterrooney | and yes, I've tried reinstalling dpkg after deleting it from the cache |
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| 02:32.14 | Sunshine | Morning every body. |
| 02:33.43 | civillian | Sunshine: A likely story |
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| 02:37.06 | peterrooney | stew: Thank you, by the way. By manually exporting the var as "config" I've managed to get further. |
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| 02:38.37 | sg | why do rpcbind and portmap come with a 'standard' install of debian? it's rather annoying.. |
| 02:39.13 | abrotman | uninstall them |
| 02:39.28 | sg | i do lol, i'm just wondering why they are automatically installed? |
| 02:40.21 | peterrooney | sg, I just did a netinstall, and they are not installed. |
| 02:40.48 | sg | peterrooney: so did i...netstat -plunt, there they are listening on their respective ports |
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| 02:43.12 | peterrooney | of course, I'm having a horrid set of unrelated problems with this install. my word should not be taken to seriously today. |
| 02:43.38 | dvs | when is it? |
| 02:43.40 | dvs | hides |
| 02:43.56 | abrotman | peterrooney: standard task IIRC |
| 02:43.58 | peterrooney | dvs: when I'm talking about your puppy having cancer |
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| 02:44.06 | abrotman | sg: has to do with having nfs related items installed |
| 02:44.07 | dvs | doh! |
| 02:44.21 | peterrooney | thankfully, that's not today. those days are never fun. |
| 02:45.55 | sg | abrotman: my issue is that i don't think a vanilla install should already have services operational... |
| 02:45.57 | Dewi | sg: dunno why you have rpcbind, but portmap is in the "standard" set |
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| 02:46.09 | Dewi | sg: you don't have to install standard if you don't want to |
| 02:46.21 | Dewi | sg: I often install standard minus exim4, for example |
| 02:46.38 | sg | Dewi: how do you go about installing sans certain packages? |
| 02:46.50 | abrotman | just leave out the standard task when you do tasksel |
| 02:47.46 | Dewi | sg: the standard list can be obtained with: aptitude search ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant -F%p |
| 02:48.01 | sg | excellent, thank you |
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| 02:49.46 | dirkson | Hey all. I believe something I'm trying to install is looking for a 32 bit version of the X11 libraries. Does such a thing exist? |
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| 02:50.10 | Dewi | dirkson: I take it your system is 64-bit? |
| 02:50.15 | dirkson | Dewi: Yes |
| 02:50.23 | abrotman | ia32-libs |
| 02:50.29 | dirkson | abrotman: Already have that |
| 02:50.59 | dirkson | abrotman: Doesn't appear to contain anything x11 related |
| 02:51.02 | Dewi | dirkson: which libs in particular are you after? |
| 02:51.28 | dirkson | Dewi: whatever corresponds to -lX11 and -lXxf86vm |
| 02:51.40 | dirkson | Dewi: I imagine this is something like libX11.so : ) |
| 02:51.46 | sg | does anyone here have any experience with setting up a kerberos+ldap auth system? |
| 02:52.12 | dioz | anyone here have a large syslog-ng setup? |
| 02:52.17 | dioz | for remote syslogging? |
| 02:52.18 | dirkson | Dewi: Already located 32-bit alsa libraries. |
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| 02:53.03 | civillian | dioz: define large |
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| 02:53.18 | dioz | how many hosts are you syslogging? |
| 02:53.35 | dioz | i'm talking about 100+ |
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| 02:54.05 | civillian | dioz: that's not too large, what's the problem you're having? |
| 02:56.24 | dioz | would i... set each source on a different port on the server? (so i can make each system log show up in its own folder/destination |
| 02:56.31 | dioz | or is there a better way to do that? |
| 02:56.49 | dioz | then i suppose use iptables to restrict access to that port to a specific remote host |
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| 02:57.08 | dioz | i don't see any way to specifically sort destinations based on ip or anything |
| 02:57.18 | dioz | only via source |
| 02:57.33 | dioz | and the source options have no options for that AFAICC |
| 02:59.00 | dirkson | Dewi: Ah! They may be in ia32-libs-dev |
| 02:59.01 | nagetier | hi, i have to commit some parameters in /sys when the system starts.. where can i setup them, when /etc/sysctl.conf only accept parameters for /proc/sys/? They have to commit as early as possible. |
| 02:59.41 | civillian | dioz: destination df_clients { file("/var/log/hosts/$HOST/$YEAR/$MONTH/$DAY/syslog.log"); }; |
| 03:00.04 | Dewi | dirkson: doesn't look like it |
| 03:00.09 | Dewi | dirkson: I'm out of ideas |
| 03:00.29 | Dewi | (that's actually a lie. If you look closely, I never had ideas in the first place) |
| 03:00.31 | dirkson | Dewi: They were in ia32-libs-dev |
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| 03:01.49 | Dewi | dirkson: oh. the only X11 stuff is in ia32-libs, but I guess you were missing something else |
| 03:02.32 | dirkson | Dewi: I had ia32-libs installed, but nothing in /usr/lib32 was related to X11. I suspect you may have it backwards. |
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| 03:03.11 | Dewi | dirkson: /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libX11.so |
| 03:03.26 | Dewi | is in ia32-libs |
| 03:03.31 | Dewi | anyway, it doesn't matter |
| 03:03.36 | Dewi | but that's where they are if you ever need them |
| 03:03.49 | dirkson | /usr/lib32/libX11.so is in ia32-libs-dev :D |
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| 03:04.05 | dirkson | I don't appear to have a /emul |
| 03:04.11 | Dewi | dirkson: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/ia64/ia32-libs-dev/filelist |
| 03:04.21 | Dewi | dirkson: I'm starting to think you're not running lenny |
| 03:04.31 | dirkson | OH! Hah! No, of course I'm not running Lenny, sorry. |
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| 03:05.00 | Dewi | dirkson: ah, hence the confusion |
| 03:05.05 | dirkson | Yup : ) |
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| 03:16.16 | langkid1 | how do I add a new user (and perferably have it ask me what the password is to be when I type the command to add the user0? |
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| 03:16.54 | stew | langkid1: adduser username |
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| 03:18.00 | langkid1 | there's no 'sudo' in debian right? So how do I run a program with root permissions on a non-root user? |
| 03:18.15 | peterrooney | langkid1: you install sudo |
| 03:18.16 | stew | langkid1: aptitude install sudo |
| 03:18.18 | langkid1 | ahh |
| 03:18.22 | langkid1 | apt-get install sudo |
| 03:18.23 | langkid1 | ? |
| 03:18.28 | stew | sure |
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| 03:20.37 | boudiccas | if i want to completely remove openoffice from my squeeze system using ...... sudo apt-get remove openoffice.org ........ it only removes one file. how do i remove all of them please in one command? |
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| 03:21.11 | abrotman | use aptitude ? |
| 03:21.31 | nagetier | langkid1: if you setup a non-root system, only naming a normal user/password combination, sudo will installed by debian itself and you can use it first time you login with your restricted user. |
| 03:21.46 | Ivan_vIRCio | Hi ppl, I´m using Debian Squeeze - lxde, my problem is: Font size is extremely small, can't even read it! And yes, I'm a noob. |
| 03:21.49 | boudiccas | hmmm, always used apt-get with no real problems. but i'll try it. thanks abrotman |
| 03:21.52 | Ivan_vIRCio | Can someone help me? |
| 03:22.05 | langkid1 | hm, too bad I can't do that, my VPS provider only lets me install OS images they have |
| 03:22.31 | abrotman | boudiccas: or maybe apt-get autoremove ? |
| 03:23.09 | boudiccas | thanks abrotman , aptitude is removing it nicely thanks |
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| 03:27.34 | nagetier | Where did i have to commit some parameters to /sys as the system starts, is '/etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh' the right place doing it? (and sorry my broken language) |
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| 03:30.42 | boudiccas | right, aptitude has removed 3/4 of openoffice.org, how do i remove the final quarter please? I've tried using apt-get autoremove and aptitude purge but they still are there |
| 03:31.27 | abrotman | what other quarter ? |
| 03:31.37 | boudiccas | the final quarter of openoffice |
| 03:32.35 | abrotman | thanks ... |
| 03:32.48 | abrotman | goes back to watching politicians being vague ... |
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| 03:32.58 | dvs | heh |
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| 03:33.12 | dvs | occupy PA |
| 03:33.21 | boudiccas | i dont know how else to describe it, its left parts of the program behind that can be run as openoffice |
| 03:33.47 | peterrooney | boudiccas: check out the deborphan package |
| 03:33.48 | abrotman | so remove one or remove the base librarires |
| 03:34.15 | boudiccas | thanks peterrooney i'll have a look at it |
| 03:34.22 | Dewi | boudiccas: you just need to remove whatever you installed, the rest will go automatically |
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| 03:36.13 | boudiccas | Dewi; i've removed about 3/4 of openoffice but can still run OOo writer, and base and maths. they are the troublesome ones that i now want to remove |
| 03:36.32 | boudiccas | abrotman; i dont know how to remove the base librarys |
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| 03:36.51 | Sunshine | Hi, |
| 03:37.23 | modnuy | anyone got kernel-3.0.0 working with wheezy? mine hangs the system during boot. surfing has not come up with any info. |
| 03:38.02 | civillian | modnuy: I'm on 3.0.1 on wheezy here, no problemo |
| 03:38.05 | MilkGoneBad | uname -r 3.1.0-1-686-pae |
| 03:38.29 | civillian | 3.0.0-1 rather |
| 03:38.53 | abrotman | boudiccas: aptitude ? |
| 03:39.07 | yagoo | i need a hardware answer to this-- anyone knows if i lose performance or grounding if i use molex-4->sata? (sata is 5 cords.. so i'd like to know-- dumb power unit only has 1 sata powerplug) |
| 03:39.18 | yagoo | (powerplug) |
| 03:39.36 | abrotman | boudiccas: did you remove libreoffice.org-base ? |
| 03:39.46 | modnuy | civillian: mine is 3.0.0-1-686-pae, my proc is Intel P4. have check that it supports pae. |
| 03:39.51 | civillian | yagoo: and how do you figure #debian will help? |
| 03:40.02 | abrotman | yagoo: ##hardware |
| 03:40.13 | boudiccas | abrotman; no, thanks i'll try removing that |
| 03:40.20 | yagoo | YEAH I've been there.. if anyone knows that's fine. I've helped on this channel before.. |
| 03:40.28 | modnuy | civillian: one more thing. i have 512MB memory. |
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| 03:42.35 | Dewi | yagoo: not sure what you think you would. Both black pins are just COM, common, ground |
| 03:42.41 | modnuy | MilkGoneBad: is 3.1.0-1 available for wheezy or are u running sid? |
| 03:42.42 | Dewi | s/what/why/ |
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| 03:43.00 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 03:43.02 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.1-1); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.1-1); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 03:43.10 | MilkGoneBad | it's in wheezy unless i really borked something. =P |
| 03:43.25 | MilkGoneBad | thx judd |
| 03:43.35 | modnuy | thks, will try that version. |
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| 03:43.48 | MilkGoneBad | lol |
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| 03:44.43 | modnuy | funny, yeah, can't think of any other way. when it hangs during boot, no syslog or other log to help. |
| 03:45.09 | MilkGoneBad | nah, just laughing at myself for thanking the bot... facepalm. |
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| 03:45.21 | modnuy | bye. |
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| 03:50.10 | LordTrev | I've seen some applications request root access by bringing up a dialog box for the root keyring, is there a way I can do this from a shell script? |
| 03:50.29 | abrotman | sudo foo |
| 03:50.51 | Dewi | LordTrev: gksudo or gksu ? |
| 03:50.59 | Dewi | LordTrev: assuming you want the graphical popup one |
| 03:51.16 | abrotman | he said from a cli box ? |
| 03:51.29 | LordTrev | Dewi, yeah, thanks |
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| 04:02.57 | acu_ | how can I know where is postgreql installed ? |
| 04:03.01 | acu_ | in squeeze |
| 04:03.25 | somiaj | acu_: dpkg -L <pkgname> gives you the list of all files installed by that package. |
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| 04:03.36 | somiaj | acu_: why do you want to know the location of the binary? |
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| 04:04.22 | abrotman | or the location of the database files? |
| 04:05.29 | acu_ | I need to setup the Environment variable in .bashrc - so I need to point to its location |
| 04:05.43 | abrotman | location of what?! |
| 04:05.52 | abrotman | libraries? binaries? data files? |
| 04:06.28 | acu_ | binaries |
| 04:07.27 | acu_ | I think it used to be in /opt/PostgreSQL |
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| 04:11.37 | stew | acu_: which environment variables? |
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| 04:20.11 | Dewi | acu_: debian doesn't put anything in opt |
| 04:20.32 | Dewi | if it was there, you installed it manually |
| 04:20.35 | acu_ | Dewi: you are right - |
| 04:20.36 | Dewi | from upstream |
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| 04:29.24 | acu_ | apparently I screwed my root ~/.bashrc how can I reset it ? |
| 04:29.59 | civillian | acu_: if you want, take a copy of /etc/skel/.bashrc and put it wherever you want |
| 04:30.17 | civillian | acu_: root's may be slightly different, not sure |
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| 04:31.13 | acu_ | civillian: I will try - but since I cannot use root - I can't get to root - and my normal user is not in the sudoers list - kind of screwed perhaps - this was a test system anyhow - but I will try |
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| 04:32.09 | mmnicola1 | how come these are different files: ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/Release and http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/Release this is really weird, I noticed this because I was having issue with Release file being expired |
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| 04:33.21 | civillian | acu_: you might try single user mode |
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| 04:33.59 | civillian | acu_: or rescue CD |
| 04:34.02 | acu_ | yep - since this bashrc I messed I think only is valid for while I am login - |
| 04:34.05 | stew | acu_: su -s /bin/dash |
| 04:34.14 | stew | (or some other shell) |
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| 04:35.33 | konam | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:35.37 | acu_ | stew: smart - which one can I install in GNOME ? |
| 04:35.42 | stew | mmnicola1: i just downloaded 4 copies of Release, (both ip addresses, both http and ftp) and all of them match |
| 04:36.03 | stew | acu_: i'd expect dash to already be installed |
| 04:36.14 | Dewi | konam: do you mean power on hours? |
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| 04:36.52 | stew | mmnicola1: which one was expired for you? is it possible you are sitting behind a bad http cache? |
| 04:36.58 | konam | Dewi "powered on" it says 73 days |
| 04:37.18 | Dewi | konam: how old it is? |
| 04:37.22 | konam | Dewi "power cycles" 1739 |
| 04:37.35 | konam | Dewi two to three years |
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| 04:37.40 | Dewi | konam: I mean powering down once daily for 4 years would do that |
| 04:38.17 | konam | Dewi but should i worry about those numbers or are they average? i just don't know how to read SMART hehe |
| 04:38.18 | Dewi | konam: so it's not like hard drives can't handle that |
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| 04:38.44 | Dewi | konam: I believe that's just the number of times the computer has been switched on. Mine is only 10, but that's because it's a server |
| 04:40.57 | mmnicola1 | stew: you're right, I was behind a squid3 in my browser, but still, even without it, lots of mirror are out of sync, look at: ftp://ftp3.nrc.ca/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/Release , had to set ftp.debian.org everywhere to fix the issue |
| 04:41.57 | mmnicola1 | ok, maybe just canadian mirrors.. |
| 04:42.12 | Dewi | mmnicola1: occasionally a mirror is poorly maintained, just switch to another |
| 04:42.58 | konam | Dewi i see, well, thanks |
| 04:43.04 | konam | i guess i should not worry |
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| 04:45.08 | Dewi | konam: my checklist is: 1. SMART says "PASSED". 2. Drive has not failed short self-test (which you might consider running regularly) or long test (which I am too lazy to run usually). 3. Error log is empty, or very close to empty |
| 04:45.25 | Dewi | oops |
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| 04:47.03 | I_Died_Once | hi, i have a chroot question / problem... i need to update grub on this other hard drive, the partition that has /boot on it is /dev/sda6.... |
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| 04:51.25 | gnarface | I_Died_Once: if your fstab is using UUID's they may have changed. Unfortunately booted from another running system they'll still be inaccurate. there are other ways to accomplish this but the easiest way i'd advise is to use your debian install disk in rescue mode to execute a shell in the installed environment from which you can re-run grub-install |
| 04:51.57 | gnarface | I_Died_Once: then it should boot normally again |
| 04:52.36 | rypervenche | I just updated my system and it is using a new kernel. I noticed that nvidia-kernel-dkms didn't redo anything as it should have, and now X isn't starting up. (Virtualbox also doesn't work, the module wasn't compiled). How can I have them all automatically compile as they should have done automatically? |
| 04:52.38 | I_Died_Once | gnarface good call |
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| 04:55.18 | gnarface | rypervenche: just guessing here i'm gonna say: stop mixing non-debian shit in your debian and you'll be fine. |
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| 04:56.14 | rypervenche | gnarface: I would never. I should probably be asking in #debian-next though. I'm on wheezy. |
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| 04:56.45 | gnarface | rypervenche: oh, yes probably. worth checking for recent bug reports on the nvidia-kernel-dkms and related packages too |
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| 04:57.41 | rypervenche | Meh, manually dpkg-reconfiguring it seems to be working. |
| 04:58.00 | gnarface | rypervenche: fyi if you're desperate, the official nvidia installer seems to do a very good job of repairing other broken installs, but there's no path back from that and its unsupported here |
| 04:58.38 | gnarface | rypervenche: "repair" == "forcibly revive" |
| 04:59.50 | rypervenche | Oh, I think I figured out my problem. The headers weren't installed for my new kernel. |
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| 04:59.58 | gnarface | aah |
| 05:00.00 | rypervenche | That'll do it :X |
| 05:00.01 | gnarface | that'll do it |
| 05:00.07 | gnarface | hah |
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| 05:01.27 | rypervenche | <3 mah Debian. |
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| 05:05.37 | kleanchap | How do I log information during connect/reconnect to the irc server? My connection seems to drop between 9 PM and 11 PM. I want to capture this information to troubleshoot. Is there a log file xchat maintains? |
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| 05:09.05 | dfc | what is the right way to search for packages which provide x-window-manager? |
| 05:09.37 | dfc | i can use debfoster --show-providers x-window-manager however that only seems to show the package that is installed that is the provider |
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| 05:09.54 | Rusty1 | kleanchap: settings-preferences-logging |
| 05:10.12 | stew | dfc: aptitude search '~Px-window-manager' |
| 05:10.52 | dfc | stew: doh! i was afraid of that. 10+ years of debian and I have never adopted aptitude |
| 05:11.06 | Rusty1 | then look in .xchat in your home folder |
| 05:11.11 | stew | dfc: you could use grep-dctrl also |
| 05:11.35 | dfc | stew: i do not mean to start a big discussion but i see aptitude mentioned more and more. |
| 05:11.48 | dfc | its probs worth it to get a feel for aptitude? |
| 05:12.12 | dfc | for some reason i have always associated it with a bastard child of synaptice and dselect |
| 05:12.33 | somiaj | is just to lazy to switch from apt-get |
| 05:12.36 | stew | dfc: "grep-available -FProvides x-window-manager" |
| 05:12.40 | dfc | is with you |
| 05:12.56 | dfc | stew: thanks i am looking at aptitude now |
| 05:12.59 | Dewi | dfc: it has a command line |
| 05:13.16 | Dewi | dfc: which is broadly compatible with apt-get |
| 05:13.16 | dfc | it looks like it bundles some of the feautres i get from debfoster/deborphan |
| 05:13.35 | dfc | there is a gui to aptitude right? i am not crazy for thinking that? |
| 05:13.42 | Dewi | dfc: it used to have a bit of extra database, but that got backported into apt-get eventually |
| 05:13.59 | dfc | does it also work for virtual packages? |
| 05:14.05 | somiaj | dfc: there is a ncurses manager, but you can use it almost as an apt-get replacment. |
| 05:14.10 | dfc | nice |
| 05:14.13 | dfc | thanks |
| 05:14.22 | stew | dfc: what do you mean by "work for virtual packages"? |
| 05:14.35 | dfc | i think that is the term |
| 05:14.38 | dfc | wait one |
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| 05:14.50 | Dewi | dfc: I think it was always better than dselect and synaptic |
| 05:15.00 | stew | x-window-manager is a virtual package (things provide it, but there is no package actually named x-window-manager) |
| 05:15.11 | Dewi | dfc: and yeah, it works for every time of package |
| 05:15.38 | dfc | mail-reader:is a virtual package provided by |
| 05:15.41 | dfc | cool |
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| 05:16.03 | dfc | if you guys really want to make life easy for my indecisive change resistant self |
| 05:16.08 | dioz | civillian: thanks for the help with syslog-ng |
| 05:16.33 | dfc | should i make the plunge to awesome or just smooth transition to xfce4. gnome3 sux |
| 05:16.43 | dfc | err... gnome3 sux for my needs |
| 05:17.10 | Dewi | dfc: both will be a hell of a lot faster |
| 05:17.14 | dfc | i feel terrible saying it but i think gnome and i are on the outs. |
| 05:17.31 | Dewi | dfc: so I guess it depends how spartan / power-usery you want it. xfce is very familiar |
| 05:17.46 | dfc | i can remember visiting the ximian booth when evolution was the neatest thing |
| 05:17.47 | civillian | dioz: working? no probs mate it's easy with the proper code :) |
| 05:17.50 | Dewi | dfc: (and not so horribly bright) |
| 05:18.11 | Dewi | dfc: ximian doesn't even exist now |
| 05:18.30 | dfc | i tried awesome for a bit. it was okay on my laptop but i was having trouble with awesome on my multimonitor desktop |
| 05:18.33 | Dewi | dfc: I actually didn't realize that stuff was done under the ximian banner |
| 05:18.37 | dfc | Dewi: dont make me feel older |
| 05:18.58 | Dewi | dfc: nah novell only killed it off like a year ago |
| 05:19.36 | dfc | im thinking before novell was in the picture |
| 05:19.39 | Dewi | dfc: now there's xamarin.com but I don't know if they deal with any enduser applications anymore |
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| 05:20.08 | Dewi | dfc: they're all about Mono now, particularly for mobile |
| 05:20.54 | dioz | civillian: i checked the destination drivers after you showed me the string and seen what i was missing |
| 05:20.58 | dioz | great help |
| 05:21.27 | dfc | ximian booth monkey on my shoulder:) http://web.archive.org/web/20020405134644im_/http://lsb.syr.edu/lsbweb/about/images/doug.jpg |
| 05:21.30 | Dewi | dfc: oh novell didn't kill evolution etc when they killed ximian |
| 05:21.40 | civillian | dioz: happy to help out, I'm new to syslog-ng but so far it's great for my needs |
| 05:21.48 | dfc | notes someone killed evolution |
| 05:21.59 | dioz | have you setup the sql stuff with the web front end |
| 05:22.12 | dioz | what is the web front end called hmmm |
| 05:22.16 | dioz | i'm all high atm |
| 05:23.16 | civillian | dioz: there are a few and no, most of the free ones didn't have the features I wanted |
| 05:23.29 | civillian | dioz: some were not maintained too |
| 05:24.07 | dfc | did ept-tags/ept-cache every get anywhere? |
| 05:24.24 | peterrooney | being high at the terminal is why log files were invented |
| 05:26.28 | dfc | logfilest and/or the promise of tomorrow |
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| 06:24.51 | gizmore | I have 2 upgrades(+0) 1 New(+0) but it is not installing anything ... how can i get which two/three packages are skipped? |
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| 06:26.55 | jsoft | Hmmm. |
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| 06:37.51 | somiaj | gizmore: what are you running to upgrade. It should tell you which packages it isn't upgrading. |
| 06:38.22 | gizmore | somiaj: aptitude -v -v -v safe-upgrade |
| 06:38.46 | somiaj | gizmore: it doens't tell you which packages it held back? |
| 06:38.52 | gizmore | correct |
| 06:39.00 | somiaj | gizmore: what version of debian? |
| 06:39.07 | gizmore | etch |
| 06:39.35 | somiaj | gizmore: oh that is old, why do you think there are upgrades for it? Anyways what does 'apt-get upgrade' tell you? |
| 06:39.37 | Infra_3600 | very very old stable |
| 06:40.39 | gizmore | somiaj: thank you, this is showing the skipped packages :) ... pure-ftpd as excpected (got them compiled by source and added to skippers) |
| 06:41.17 | somiaj | gizmore: etch probabaly has lots of security holes, if you want the advatnage of security.debian.org you may consider upgrading. |
| 06:41.23 | gizmore | indeed |
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| 06:45.47 | gizmore | should i upgrade from etch to Lenny or to Squeeze? |
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| 06:46.03 | WhatIs | hi |
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| 06:46.37 | WhatIs | i am new in the world of linux, confused between debain and opensuse, with what should i start my journey of linux? any suggestions |
| 06:47.18 | gnarface | hey can someone remind me how to completely force remove a borked package? |
| 06:47.49 | gizmore | WhatIs: i recommend setting up thunderbird(or any other mail client) to interact with your email accounts, having a convinient mail reader is nice :) |
| 06:48.19 | WhatIs | gizmore: sure but my issue is selection |
| 06:48.49 | gizmore | oh... i recommend archlinux or gentoo then :S |
| 06:48.57 | WhatIs | gizmore: i would set up but may i know the reason for you tell? would |
| 06:49.47 | WhatIs | how you knew that i don't have thunderbird set up? |
| 06:49.57 | gizmore | Crystal ball :) |
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| 06:50.45 | WhatIs | gizmore: i didn't get you |
| 06:50.55 | WhatIs | how you knew that i don't have thunderbird set up? |
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| 06:51.05 | gizmore | i guessed it |
| 06:51.33 | gizmore | my nickname means "guess more" btw :p and is a parody to gremlins |
| 06:51.55 | WhatIs | i am a noob |
| 06:51.58 | WhatIs | i don't know |
| 06:52.15 | WhatIs | please tell me how do you know that i don't have a thunderbird setup |
| 06:53.34 | mosno | WhatIs, he already told you |
| 06:53.47 | WhatIs | how? |
| 06:53.55 | WhatIs | when? |
| 06:54.18 | mosno | WhatIs, IRC, 2min ago |
| 06:54.19 | gizmore | i just guessed it ^^ ... you said you are new to linux, so i assumed you have not thunderbird setup |
| 06:54.31 | somiaj | gnarface: how did it get installed in the first place. 'man dpkg' look for force, though you will have to make sure you take out anything that depends on it as well to use apt again. |
| 06:54.40 | gizmore | WhatIs: i could have been wrong too! |
| 06:54.48 | WhatIs | no you are not wrong |
| 06:54.51 | WhatIs | i am new in linux |
| 06:54.57 | WhatIs | just from irc |
| 06:55.06 | WhatIs | ok how do i use a secure connection? |
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| 06:55.51 | gizmore | WhatIs: if you like we can talk in private, this channel is very populated and causes a lot of traffic to the users. type /msg gizmore Hello |
| 06:56.10 | gnarface | somiaj: it got installed normally and i accidentally deleted some config files and now it won't uninstall no matter what |
| 06:57.08 | gnarface | somiaj: i just want it to delete or go away so i can try to install it cleanly but no matter what i do every delete or install action i try starts by looking for shit i deleted manually. i see this in dpkg -l: pF slapd 2.4.23-7.2 OpenLDAP server (slapd) |
| 06:57.22 | somiaj | gnarface: is the postrm script failing when you uninstall it? |
| 06:57.33 | gnarface | somiaj: yes that is what is happening it would see |
| 06:57.35 | somiaj | gnarface: or the prerm script -- you could just go fix/modify the script |
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| 06:58.00 | somiaj | gnarface: scripts are located in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 06:58.20 | somiaj | gnarface: an 'exit 0' at the top line will make it just ignore the script, though you may want to check what is failing so you undo some things |
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| 06:58.48 | gnarface | somiaj: i'm not interested in what's wrong with it i just want it gone. there's seriously no way to do this without fixing the package first? |
| 06:59.18 | somiaj | gnarface: there is a force option in dpkg. but adding an 'exit 0' at the top of the script that is misbehaving may work better |
| 06:59.35 | somiaj | gnarface: man dpkg, look up force. You can force almost anything with dpkg (though usualyl this breaks things) |
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| 07:00.25 | republic | with the size of debian, I am sometime wonder how people manage the write those very large collection of code |
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| 07:00.47 | republic | Linux and X.org themselves are very large code |
| 07:01.14 | simonlnu | collaborative codebases... |
| 07:01.16 | republic | not mentioning grub and whole other code |
| 07:01.56 | somiaj | republic: have you ever seen a version control system (cvs was the old standard, but svn and now git are taking over) |
| 07:02.05 | somiaj | there are others out there as well |
| 07:02.27 | republic | somiaj, yes, actually I use cvs and svn too |
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| 07:02.42 | republic | but for very limited purposes |
| 07:02.50 | somiaj | republic: things like that make it possible to manage large groups of people donating/modifing the code |
| 07:03.44 | republic | somiaj, you are correct. but, I am just still simply get amazed how people write those code. It is still amazing for me |
| 07:03.51 | somiaj | republic: then over time the codebase grows as people fix bugs, add additional features. |
| 07:03.59 | republic | writing those code, and let them free(as in free beer and free speech) |
| 07:04.46 | republic | when I contemplate on this thing, I feel a great amazement |
| 07:04.57 | gnarface | somiaj: ok i did that (added exit 0 to the top of the prerm and postrm scripts - they were both failing) and it uninstalled but now when i try to install it, it fails saying: The pidfile for slapd has not been specified ... failed! |
| 07:05.13 | gnarface | somiaj: but why is it looking for a god damned pid file? why can't i just make it pretend its a fresh install? |
| 07:05.41 | somiaj | gnarface: did you purge everything, I dont' know this package so I don't know. But if you didn't purge there could be info still floating around |
| 07:05.51 | gnarface | somiaj: yes i purged |
| 07:05.57 | gnarface | somiaj: but it was the purge scripts that were failing |
| 07:06.02 | republic | one people contribute 100 lines of code, and 100,000 people contribute 10.000,000 lines of code! |
| 07:06.24 | republic | *10,000,000 |
| 07:06.41 | somiaj | gnarface: well the thing is you skiped what ever it was doing. You could have missed removing/deleting some files that were important since it just ignored the scripts. That is why I said you may have to actually figure out what it is doing and manually do some o fit |
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| 07:10.58 | gnarface | somiaj: ok is there a way to force a package to ignore an existing install when it installs? |
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| 07:11.35 | somiaj | gnarface: you can try to force install, but if the postinst/preinst scripts don't run correctly the package may not work once it is installed |
| 07:11.43 | somiaj | track down what is wrong and fix it is the prefered option |
| 07:11.57 | somiaj | again dpkg as a --force option. But you best be careful it may not fix your problem |
| 07:12.39 | gnarface | somiaj: unfortunately not possible because what is wrong is its missing the old /etc/ldap/slapd.d/ directory contents and they are impossible to copy or backup so even though there is still a working copy on another machine it does me no good |
| 07:13.12 | gnarface | somiaj: and in order to re-import from ldif backup, (files i also have) slapd has to at least be able to *start* - which it currently does not |
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| 07:13.51 | I_Died_Once | what is the command line for the alsa sound mixer? |
| 07:13.53 | gnarface | somiaj: can't i remove all components of this thing manually? i know where they are |
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| 07:14.13 | gnarface | somiaj: i would hate to have to reinstall the whole thing simply because there's no way to uninstall a single package |
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| 07:17.45 | batouzo | is it possible to quickly go to conversation with given 1 person? e.g. always visible icon (tray? panel? rooster?) of given 5 contacts, always one click brigs/creates conv window with them. Sort of like rooster but much more compact/smaller, best a panel. |
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| 07:22.22 | gnarface | batouzo: what now? |
| 07:22.57 | batouzo | gnarface: ah right, in jabber IM. |
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| 08:27.59 | aidalgol | I'm trying to install testing, but I keep getting a (fatal) error about unsafe swap. |
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| 08:28.26 | aidalgol | Running swapoff -a doesn't make a difference. How do I deal with this? |
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| 08:28.50 | boudiccas | aidalgol; try installing stable and hten upgrade to testing |
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| 08:29.42 | aidalgol | boudiccas: I had some problems when I last tried upgrading from my stable installation to testing, but I'll try again, and come here for help with any problems I have. |
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| 09:16.07 | gnarface | argh |
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| 09:17.04 | gnarface | warning: nslcd on squeeze creates an invalid config file by default if you have a 3-level domain (blah.example.com) and the difference is subtle enough you might not notice it on the first dozen read throughs. also, its got utterly usless error reporting. pretty much everything is "file not found" |
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| 09:18.42 | ectospasm | is there any hope of getting Flash to play video at an acceptable frame rate with flashplugin-nonfree on x86_64 (Intel Atom D525)? I've read that it's pretty hopeless. |
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| 09:20.37 | gnarface | ectospasm: i don't know specifics about that hardware but in general flash sucks harder as you approach HD video. lower-res videos that were encoded at lower quality/bitrate settings will perform better. |
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| 09:21.19 | ectospasm | gnarface: yeah, I'm seeing that when I view vids at less-than-fullscreen |
| 09:22.12 | ectospasm | I think that flash generally sucks on Linux, due to Adobe not caring at all. |
| 09:22.28 | gnarface | ectospasm: unfortunately you won't be able to control the bitrate of the source if you're watching someone else's videos, and a lot of flash authors are pretty irresponsible about how they encode (usually pretty wastefully high levels of data) |
| 09:22.33 | ectospasm | I'm glad they've started to pull the plug on the abomination that is flash. |
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| 09:22.50 | gnarface | ectospasm: i agree with you but i'd be happier if they'd just stop sucking. |
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| 09:23.27 | rly | I find it amazing that they cannot even get something as simple as playing a video right. |
| 09:23.28 | gnarface | ectospasm: on my older machines i've had good luck overclocking the video card to get acceptable playrates, however ymmv and i have the luxury of adequete cooling which you may not with an atom board |
| 09:23.42 | rly | mplayer works, doesn't it? |
| 09:24.02 | rly | mplayer isn't a multi-billion dollar company. |
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| 09:24.16 | ectospasm | it's a design flaw. I forget the link, but a flash developer basically said that flash isn't designed to handle HD video. |
| 09:24.46 | ectospasm | takes an extra processing step, |
| 09:24.53 | gnarface | snorts |
| 09:25.04 | rly | ectospasm: so, they start over; big deal. |
| 09:25.16 | gnarface | "design flaw" is a nice way of saying "we're incompetent, from the bottom to the top, and we can't correct it" |
| 09:25.23 | rly | gnarface: exactly. |
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| 09:26.35 | ectospasm | just hopes HTML 5 turns out to be the panacea it's purported to be. |
| 09:26.41 | gnarface | i've always assumed its a hiring priority problem at a corporate level - its easy to believe a company that focuses on artistic software might hire one too many artists-turned-engineers and let them have too long of a leash |
| 09:26.46 | ectospasm | this discussion isn't support anymore. |
| 09:26.54 | gnarface | good point |
| 09:26.56 | gnarface | so back to support |
| 09:26.58 | gnarface | wtf nslcd? |
| 09:27.02 | gnarface | people really use that pos |
| 09:27.02 | gnarface | ? |
| 09:27.19 | gnarface | is there an alternative that's got better error reporting? |
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| 09:29.20 | dym | Hey - im having trouble installing a Soekris 5501 Machine via PXE Boot. Im accessing the Machine via Seria and therefore cant view the ncurses menu. Is there a text-only installtion available? |
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| 09:50.45 | rly | How do I get rid of a zombie process? |
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| 09:51.01 | rly | I told gnome to 'destroy' it, but it doesn't listen. |
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| 09:51.29 | gnarface | kill the parent process? |
| 09:51.44 | gnarface | (which is probably gnome) |
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| 09:53.11 | cnz | is ther a command i can see home much disk space a folder/path is taking up for etc /home/$username |
| 09:53.56 | Joeby | du pappy |
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| 09:54.48 | gnarface | czaja: try du -sh /home/$username |
| 09:54.55 | gnarface | woops cnz ^^ i meant this for you |
| 09:55.08 | gnarface | auto complete |
| 09:55.21 | Joeby | I liked my answer better |
| 09:55.24 | Joeby | more cryptic |
| 09:55.35 | gnarface | :-| |
| 09:56.14 | rox | cnz: also do read du's manpage |
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| 09:56.32 | Joeby | rox, which was why my answer was cryptic in nature |
| 09:56.41 | Joeby | it sometimes causes people to "man" up |
| 09:56.42 | hasan | I am using debian 6, everytime i need to go to single user mode and then switch to init 2 inorder to get my mouse and keyboard working |
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| 09:57.18 | rly | gnarface: killing gnome just because one zombie process was created? That sounds like a design flaw ;) |
| 09:57.22 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:57.45 | Joeby | He dislikes the password his administrator put on the box |
| 09:57.50 | hasan | gnarface: because if i do a regular bootup my keyboard and mouse does not work. |
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| 09:58.20 | gnarface | hasan: does a regular boot up start a graphical login prompt? |
| 09:58.30 | gnarface | hasan: or do you just get a black screen |
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| 09:58.53 | gnarface | rly: do you know what parent proces it is? have you run ps aux --forest? |
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| 09:59.06 | gnarface | s/is/has/ |
| 09:59.08 | hasan | gnarface: yes graphical login prompt is there i can see it |
| 09:59.13 | deego | Hi, How do I flush the dns in debian squeeze? Howto's say nscd needs to restart, but I don't have that package installed. |
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| 09:59.43 | gnarface | deego: restart iceweasel |
| 10:00.22 | deego | gnarface: Using curl and wget |
| 10:00.41 | gnarface | hasan: probably you need an /etc/X11/xorg.conf correction/creation/deletion; check /var/log/Xorg.0.log it might be helpful |
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| 10:00.58 | gnarface | deego: maybe you're caching with dnsmasq? |
| 10:01.04 | hasan | gnarface: thanks i will create 1 and check and get back to you. |
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| 10:02.39 | deego | gnarface: no :( |
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| 10:02.58 | hasan | gnarface: how do i create xorg.conf system-config-display does not work here |
| 10:03.37 | Joeby | deego, what indicates you need to flush your dns cache? What's the problem? |
| 10:03.48 | hasan | gnarface: should i try X --configure in non gui mode ? |
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| 10:07.40 | deego | Joeby: A website resolves to the wrong IP when I wget something. Their support on skype says that the IP's updated and I need to flush my dns. |
| 10:08.37 | Joeby | deego, that's probably your dns server, not a local cache |
| 10:09.09 | Joeby | deego, try changing your nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf to 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 |
| 10:09.14 | Joeby | and see if you get the right IP |
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| 10:09.22 | deego | haha, that's what they are. |
| 10:09.44 | Joeby | try another public nameserver then |
| 10:10.10 | Joeby | what is the website? I'll tell you what google dns resolves for me |
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| 10:11.23 | deego | Joeby: Thanks, PM'd. |
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| 10:12.19 | gnarface | damn if hasan comes back tell him yes, unless he's using the nvidia or ati binary drivers as they may have a preferable utility for him |
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| 10:19.34 | hasan | gnarface: i created xorg.conf still the same |
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| 10:21.42 | gnarface | hasan: you have to make sure that the keyboard and mouse entries are correct. most likely you will have to fix them. check the log file like i said, it might have hints. |
| 10:22.04 | gnarface | hasan: also make sure your keyboard and mouse are properly plugged in and in the right jacks |
| 10:22.15 | gnarface | hasan: if they require batteries, check the batteries |
| 10:22.24 | gnarface | ffs |
| 10:24.04 | hasan | gnarface: no they are ps2 mouse and keyboard, plus there is no default configuration added in xorg.conf for mouse and keyboard |
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| 10:25.02 | hasan | Section "ServerLayout" |
| 10:25.02 | hasan | Identifier "X.org Configured" |
| 10:25.03 | hasan | Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 |
| 10:25.03 | hasan | InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" |
| 10:25.03 | hasan | InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" |
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| 10:26.25 | gnarface | *sigh* |
| 10:26.32 | gnarface | he probably thinks i did that |
| 10:26.40 | Wayny | hi, I am just configuring the BIOS of a Lenovo T510 for a Debian system. What do you suggest to set up the PCI IRQs? There are 8 different irqs: "INT[A-H] PCI IRQ" and possible options are disabled, auto and 3-11 |
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| 10:27.05 | hasan | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/64378047/ |
| 10:27.08 | hasan | gnarface: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/64378047/ |
| 10:27.16 | gnarface | Wayny: assuming you don't have a buggy bios i'd recommend auto for all your irq handling |
| 10:27.43 | Wayny | gnarface: thanks |
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| 10:27.59 | gnarface | hasan: if you're having problems with your soundcard get the latest bios first |
| 10:28.14 | gnarface | er Wayny i meant to say this to you ^^^ |
| 10:28.20 | gnarface | hasan: ignore last statment |
| 10:28.27 | hasan | gnarface: :) |
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| 10:29.00 | gnarface | hasan: pastebin your log /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 10:29.06 | Wayny | gnarface: of course, I already got the latest BIOS |
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| 10:32.52 | hasan | gnarface: http://paste.debian.net/146717/ |
| 10:33.06 | gnarface | Wayny: also, its recommended you say NO to "PnP OS" |
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| 10:33.23 | gnarface | Wayny: as of like kernel 2.4 it will probably work either way, but its recommended to say NO |
| 10:33.29 | jelly | Wayny: do you have an actual problem with Debian? |
| 10:34.24 | Wayny | gnarface: I always disable risky stuff like PnP (also, on routers) |
| 10:34.24 | Wayny | jelly: no, just got a new laptop and am configuring it (BIOS at the moment...) |
| 10:34.47 | jelly | Wayny: don't mess with it unless things fail to work |
| 10:35.02 | hasan | gnarface: http://paste.debian.net/146718/ ---2ndlog xorg.2.log |
| 10:35.25 | Joeby | dont' play with your IRQ settings |
| 10:35.41 | Joeby | especially if you know so little you have to ask about it in #debian |
| 10:35.42 | Wayny | jelly: for example, Intel VT does not work since it is disabled in BIOS by default... so I need to mess with it :) |
| 10:36.23 | jelly | Wayny: exactly. Don't mess with other settings. |
| 10:37.18 | Wayny | jelly: I only set stuff up if I know what the switches do. When I don't, I read docs or ask in IRC like I am doing here |
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| 10:37.32 | Joeby | Wayny, if it's working - leave it. Or you'll be like the programmer who uses reg ex's; you'll solve one problem and cause 3 others ;) |
| 10:37.37 | Wayny | what is this "Security Chip" stuff I can enable/disable here? |
| 10:38.14 | jelly | Wayny: you're missing the point. Even if you think you know what a setting changes, defaults are the most tested and least likely to cuase trouble. |
| 10:38.17 | gnarface | i have a question: is it possible to change the bios settings for boot drive order via terminal in debian (like, via an ssh terminal remotely, before rebooting, to say, enable or disable cdrom booting) |
| 10:38.27 | gnarface | anybody?/ |
| 10:38.39 | rpgsimmaster | gnarface: Depending on your bios, |
| 10:38.46 | rpgsimmaster | you may be able to configure from the OS level, |
| 10:38.46 | Joeby | gnarface, most likely not |
| 10:38.53 | KamZou | Hello, i've a problem with my DHCP... I'd like infinite leases to my clients...(I set up : default-lease-time infinite; ...) . The "ends" entry in my .leases file show Year 2147 ... So ... Good, but when i restart the dhcpd daemon, the "Ends" entry show thah the lease is valid until 24h later only ... So i've a problem. Could you help me ? |
| 10:38.58 | rpgsimmaster | but BIOS manufacturers usually only provide a Windows tool |
| 10:39.03 | rpgsimmaster | If any tool at all |
| 10:39.04 | jelly | Wayny: if Windows cam with the device, did you make recovery dvds? |
| 10:39.14 | afuentes | i made a vgrename on the root partition from a live cd. When i try to boot up it says it cannot find /dev/mapper/oldVGname--root where should i update this? |
| 10:39.18 | Wayny | jelly: no |
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| 10:39.40 | Wayny | jelly: why should I make recovery dvds when I never use mswin? |
| 10:39.59 | Joeby | Wayny, do you party much? |
| 10:40.07 | rpgsimmaster | Wayny: If you don't know what settings are, don't play with them. "Security chip", in this case, could be anything from TPM to a theft-recovery type module |
| 10:40.09 | jelly | Wayny: because the next owner three years from now might. It can increase the resell value. |
| 10:40.51 | jelly | Wayny: have some resources: /msg dpkg thinkpad |
| 10:41.06 | Wayny | jelly: thnaks |
| 10:41.22 | jelly | Wayny: also because Lenovo might have windows-only tools for the machine |
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| 10:41.40 | gnarface | fucking lenovo |
| 10:42.07 | Wayny | lol? 11:41 <dpkg> [thinkpad] one of the best laptops you can buy, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman. |
| 10:42.33 | Wayny | gnarface: what I hate about HP and Lenovo is that they are whitelisting miniPCIe wlan cards... |
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| 10:42.53 | Joeby | hold on - i have to take a dump |
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| 10:43.04 | rendar | why the amd64 version of the skype .deb package requires ia32-libs, ia32-libs-gtk, lib32gcc1, and other bunch of 32bit libraries? may i incur in some confilicts installing these libs in my amd64 debian? |
| 10:43.16 | boudiccas | lovely, just what we wanted to know! |
| 10:43.19 | gnarface | Wayny: i hate that they're thick and flimsy when thinkpads used to be made by IBM and were thin and dense enough to kill with |
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| 10:43.33 | massakid | Hello |
| 10:43.35 | GordonFreeman | what is your opinion of my video memory fillrate test? dd if=/dev/zero bs=65536 count=48 of=/dev/fb0 |
| 10:43.49 | jelly | rendar: the binaries inside the package are really 32bit. |
| 10:44.05 | Wayny | gnarface: mine is not slim but ruggedized |
| 10:44.05 | gnarface | rendar: they're safe don't worry |
| 10:44.07 | massakid | How can I tell if I`m downloading a file via http, or ftp or whatever ? |
| 10:44.12 | mosno | was buzz released as an ISO? |
| 10:44.15 | rendar | jelly, yes, as i guessed! ok thanks gnarface :) |
| 10:44.29 | Wayny | massakid: what are you trying to accomplish? and with what tool? |
| 10:44.34 | mosno | i'm guessing it was just floppy images right? |
| 10:46.44 | massakid | Wayny: My friend have a file server, and he put some files in apache, I just wondering what kind of protocol is the download. I mean, the server have a sftp , but if I download via browser it means it is via http ? |
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| 10:48.00 | Wayny | massakid: the protocol should be mentioned in the address bar. If you are not comfortable with your browser use an ftp client like filezilla |
| 10:48.30 | massakid | Wayny: humm.. I see |
| 10:48.51 | Wayny | all 8 PCI IRQs (INT[A-H]) are set to 11 by default. Shall I leave it like that? |
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| 10:50.11 | jelly | don't touch that, dude |
| 10:50.36 | Wayny | okay... |
| 10:51.38 | massakid | Wayny: so in order to donwload the file via https for example, I have to make changes at apache? |
| 10:52.21 | jelly | Wayny: most of the onboard devices will be PCI-Express, which can use MSI signaling for interrupts. Some will be USB and connected to a usb hub. No reason to mess with PCI IRQs -- you can't plug in zillions of PCI cards in that thing. |
| 10:52.24 | Wayny | I don't know. Maybe ask at #networking on freenode |
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| 10:52.59 | jelly | Wayny: if you don't understand what I just wrote, it means "don't touch things you don't understand" |
| 10:53.36 | Wayny | jelly: I just asked! It could have been that BIOS experienced folks recommend me to change that stuff |
| 10:53.51 | jelly | Wayny: no, it couldn't |
| 10:54.31 | jelly | the experienced folks told you not to touch defaults if you don't have to |
| 10:56.15 | gnarface | hey just checking here but is there a way to reinstall debian from within debian, so as to change the arch? (from i686 apparently to amd64) |
| 10:56.16 | gnarface | ? |
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| 10:57.08 | jelly | gnarface: debootstrap |
| 10:57.35 | jelly | gnarface: you can't really reinstall in the same root if that's what you're asking |
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| 10:58.07 | jelly | you can install a new OS with a different arch with basically a single reboot, though |
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| 11:03.37 | hasan | gnarface: (WW) AllowEmptyInput is on, devices using drivers 'kbd', 'mouse' or 'vmmouse' will be disabled. |
| 11:03.57 | Wayny | does one know how to set up BIOS to see POST messages instead of huge Lenovo ThinkPad screen ? |
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| 11:05.40 | hasan | http://paste.debian.net/146720/ |
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| 11:28.34 | Wayny | why is the package firmware-atheros non-free? |
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| 11:32.19 | babilen | Wayny: I would guess that it contains (proprietary) binary-blob firmware |
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| 11:33.39 | Wayny | babilen: I need ath9k_htc, can I install just that somehow? |
| 11:34.18 | Wayny | I mean from Debian repos. Or do I have to download and install it manually? |
| 11:35.42 | babilen | Wayny: You mean that you want to use that module? (or is there firmware of that name??) |
| 11:36.44 | babilen | Wayny: You might refer to htc_7010.fw or htc_9271.fw ?-) |
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| 11:37.09 | Wayny | babilen: I need the firmware for my ar9271 chipset. Documentation says it is included in ath9k_htc |
| 11:37.20 | Wayny | babilen: yes |
| 11:37.42 | Wayny | babilen: shell says: Firmware - ar9271.fw not found |
| 11:38.34 | babilen | Wayny: That file is in firmware-atheros |
| 11:38.49 | Wayny | babilen: on another machine, on which I install proprietary software, it works when installing firmware-atheros. But I don't want to do it on the designated machine |
| 11:38.59 | Wayny | babilen: that specific software should be free, as far as I have read |
| 11:39.27 | babilen | Wayny: You are out of luck then -- The firmware is non-free and you can not install it without installing it |
| 11:40.04 | Wayny | dpkg, ath9k |
| 11:40.05 | dpkg | ath9k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11n PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets. Included since Linux 2.6.27, firmware from userspace is not required. The AR9287 and AR2427 chips are supported in Debian 2.6.32 kernel images. For USB 802.11n device support, see <ath9k_htc>, <ar9170>. http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
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| 11:41.04 | Wayny | nooooo |
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| 11:41.24 | Wayny | ath9k_htc is, in fact, non-free. aargh |
| 11:41.30 | babilen | Wayny: Didn't you say that you want ath9k_htc? See, it would help tremendously if you could tell us *which device* all this is actually about. ("lspci -nn" or "lsusb" output for that device) |
| 11:42.03 | Wayny | babilen: sorry, got it now |
| 11:42.07 | babilen | Wayny: But I also have the impression that all your questions have already been answered |
| 11:42.25 | Wayny | yes ;( |
| 11:42.32 | Wayny | bought the wrong usb dongle... |
| 11:42.45 | babilen | Return it and get another one. |
| 11:42.49 | Wayny | thought all atheros chips had free firmware... argh |
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| 11:44.18 | Wayny | ^^ that's what I'll do. But it's hard to find any card at all with good gain. And then also one with free firmware... the choice in Germany of tech products is not as great as in the U.S. |
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| 11:47.03 | v2_ | hi. where can i find the patches used for compiling ffmpeg 0.7.2 on debian? |
| 11:47.41 | mosno | what is the difference between --update-avail and --record-avail? it isn't obvious to me from the dpkg manpage |
| 11:47.43 | v2_ | i can only find ffmpeg-0.5.4 in the patch tracker |
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| 11:50.16 | jokar | hello all |
| 11:50.21 | jokar | hello |
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| 11:51.06 | Wayny | babilen: can't find a usb wlan card with free firmware and good gain in Germany. Do you know one from UK, US or something? |
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| 11:55.28 | babilen | Wayny: Not immediately -- And this is also the wrong channel to discuss this. You might want to take it to #debian-offtopic or ##hardware. You might also want to order specific dongles from online retailers, but that requires that you know what you want to buy first. |
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| 11:56.22 | Wayny | babilen: I know what I want: a usb wlan card with free drivers and good gain :) |
| 11:56.30 | Wayny | babilen: okay, am asking in networking |
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| 12:25.59 | folivora | Gday. I am having problems with my Debian Wheezy 64bit, with wireless. I have Intel Corporation Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 [8086:422b] chip. I have modules loaded -> lsmod |grep iwlagn gives -> http://pastebin.com/stc9ycGT . ifconfig -a shows wwan0. When I am trying to go the kde's system settings -> network settings wireless section is "gray" can't look any changes or nothing. Could someone tell me what could be wrong. |
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| 12:26.45 | E-bola | I just upgraded from lenny to squeeze, and grub1 to 2, but I cant remember how i got rid of the chainloading, to get a "pure" normal grub2 bootloader |
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| 12:28.11 | folivora | E-bola: upgrade-from-grub-legacy |
| 12:28.12 | E-bola | Ahh upgrade-from-grub-legacy |
| 12:28.25 | E-bola | google finally told me what i was asking about :) |
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| 12:30.31 | jelly | ,pciid 8086:422b |
| 12:30.33 | judd | [8086:422b] is 'Centrino Ultimate-N 6300' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'iwlagn' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:422b http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
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| 12:32.05 | mosno | how did all those not-installed packages get into my /var/lib/dpkg/available file, when i've only ever used apt/aptitude to install packages, and from Debian main repository only? |
| 12:32.46 | mosno | probably should mention that i did a dist-upgrade from squeeze to sid |
| 12:33.15 | mosno | so perhaps they're "leftovers" somehow (?) |
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| 12:33.34 | mosno | one of these days i'll sit down to actually play with dpkg/apt and see what happens instead of blindly wondering |
| 12:33.40 | mosno | maybe |
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| 12:35.06 | folivora | mosno: I did check trough wiki.debian.org/iwlagn before writing this. Yes my chip is that, but after modprobe iwlagn I can't still use my wireless. Is it some other module which is needed to be loaded? Or ? |
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| 12:36.01 | mosno | folivora: why are you asking me directly? |
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| 12:36.16 | folivora | ohhh sorry, judd I did answer to judd =) |
| 12:36.20 | folivora | misstyped the nick |
| 12:36.21 | folivora | sorry |
| 12:36.26 | mosno | np |
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| 12:40.13 | E-bola | Hmm my server keeps booting grub1 even though i've run upgrade-from-grub-legacy and rm -f /boot/grub/menu.lst* and |
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| 12:43.32 | E-bola | Hmm ohh apparently it is grub2, but the version is called 1.98 how odd |
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| 12:52.54 | Twinkletoes | What is responsible for providing padding if I@m using rsa key pair? |
| 12:53.00 | Twinkletoes | OpenSSH? |
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| 13:05.48 | mosno | why is dpkg -l still listing a ton of not-installed packages after i did dpkg --clear-avail? |
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| 13:15.17 | go^ | does anyone have problem with debian sid+flash ? |
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| 13:15.25 | abrotman | go^: and gnome3 ? |
| 13:15.37 | go^ | abrotman, yep..my audio doesn't work too! |
| 13:15.58 | abrotman | go^: with epiphany or all browsers? |
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| 13:16.25 | stew | i do from a philosophical perspective :) |
| 13:16.31 | go^ | abrotman, google-chrome and iceweasel..and my audio doesn't work at all (for example with vlc+video) |
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| 13:17.30 | nkuttler | !tell go^ about alsa |
| 13:17.35 | abrotman | go^: there is a bug that flash uses gtk2 and gnome well .. doesn't .. in wheezy, flash works in iceweasel, but not epiphany |
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| 13:17.43 | abrotman | supposedly the workaround is nsplugin-wrapper |
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| 13:18.11 | go^ | abrotman, i haven't epiphany..probably i have another problem mm |
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| 13:19.01 | abrotman | go^: make sure your flash is up to date .. and for that matter .. when is the last time you did an aptitude full-upgrade? |
| 13:19.31 | go^ | abrotman, never...now i try it |
| 13:21.09 | go^ | flashplugin-nonfree 1:2.8.3 |
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| 13:22.40 | abrotman | you say .. never ? |
| 13:22.55 | go^ | abaddon, yes never eheh |
| 13:22.57 | abrotman | go^: there's a program called something like update-flash-player .. try it |
| 13:23.07 | go^ | abrotman, only dist-upgrade and safe-upgrade |
| 13:23.24 | rawsted | can anyone explain what the values for the APM option in hdparm (-B) actually /do/ ? |
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| 13:23.43 | stew | go^: dist-upgrade is a the deprecated synonym of full-upgrade |
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| 13:23.52 | go^ | ah ok, perfect |
| 13:24.26 | go^ | abrotman, but i have a problem with flash but my audio doesn't work too..probably is the same problem? 1 week ago everything worked well... :( |
| 13:24.45 | abrotman | go^: have you tried as another user or as root? or in another WM ? |
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| 13:25.09 | go^ | abrotman, no but now i try with another wm and another user...be back soon |
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| 13:26.07 | go^ | (abrotman another problem is that my mp3 and flash video (youtube) goes at quick speed..very very fast! ) |
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| 13:26.58 | rawsted | ah i think it's the speed of the spin-down... |
| 13:27.05 | Zap-W | what's the difference between the channel here and at irc.debian.org |
| 13:27.08 | abrotman | still didn't answer about his last full-upgrade |
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| 13:27.16 | abrotman | Zap-W: different networks, that's about it |
| 13:27.28 | abrotman | different people in each .. |
| 13:27.36 | Zap-W | abrotman: that's obvious |
| 13:27.37 | abrotman | some people volunteer in both channels though |
| 13:27.55 | go^ | abrotman, same thing with xfce :( |
| 13:27.57 | abrotman | Zap-W: there's a #debian on efnet too ... |
| 13:28.08 | abrotman | or there was anyway ... |
| 13:28.11 | benedikt | I have a usb mass storage drive that doesn't work on my debian workstation bu does on my ubuntu computer (hence the device works fine). The debian computer doesnt go any further than "scsi8 : usb-storage 1-8:1.0" in dmesg and never recognizes it as a USB mass storage device. |
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| 13:28.24 | abrotman | go^: aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade .. does it want to update anything ? |
| 13:28.27 | Zap-W | actually I was looking for someone to respond, the channel on server X has more experienced users or similar |
| 13:28.29 | Zap-W | abrotman |
| 13:28.30 | go^ | abrotman, i will try with debian squeeze or wheezy |
| 13:28.39 | go^ | abrotman, just do it..all is update |
| 13:28.52 | abrotman | Zap-W: the more experienced helpers tend to be in both channels, so i wouldn't say that at all |
| 13:31.02 | go^ | abrotman, can I use gnome3 on debian squeeze or wheezy by repos? |
| 13:31.25 | abrotman | squeeze has gnome2, wheezy has gnome3 |
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| 13:31.46 | go^ | perfect..thank you :) |
| 13:31.59 | go^ | i hope to solve my problem whit wheezy :( |
| 13:32.09 | abrotman | ok |
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| 13:33.45 | Zap-W | is it possible that the package linux-patch-debian-2.6.32 does not match the pactches applied on linux-source-2.6.32 kernel ? |
| 13:34.28 | Zap-W | I am trying to apply a custom patch on linux-source-2.6.32 , I get rejects, trying to look for the files with the rejects on linux-patch-debian-2.6.32 but can't find them |
| 13:34.40 | abrotman | Zap-W: what are you applying it to ? |
| 13:34.49 | Zap-W | abrotman: sec I will tell you |
| 13:35.40 | Zap-W | abrotman: http://www.ssi.bg/~ja/forward_shared-2.6.32-2.diff from http://www.ssi.bg/~ja/ |
| 13:36.50 | abrotman | Zap-W: that wasn't what i really asked ... |
| 13:37.36 | Zap-W | abrotman: to the kernel source in linux-source-2.6.32 package |
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| 13:40.10 | abrotman | so you're trying to apply the both patch sets to the linux-source package? |
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| 13:43.24 | JodaZ | how do i up the open files limit ? |
| 13:43.45 | abrotman | ulimit |
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| 13:46.34 | iaj | What am I doing wrong if my `sudo apt-get install subversion' fails with 404 not found errors. |
| 13:46.41 | iaj | I did sudo apt-get update before. |
| 13:47.10 | iaj | http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/pool/main/s/subversion/subversion_1.6.12dfsg-4_i386.deb << that's one of the debs it tries to download. |
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| 13:47.37 | abrotman | iaj: try anoter mirror |
| 13:47.49 | abrotman | mirors.kernel.org is a round robin |
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| 13:48.19 | iaj | abrotman: where can I find other mirrors :) |
| 13:48.20 | mosno | is anyone running sid as a virtual machine with 3D using virtualbox on squeeze? virtualbox is complaining that it can't enable 3D because of the version mismatch between virtualbox host and the virtualbox guest additions |
| 13:48.28 | mosno | (i want to try gnome3) |
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| 13:49.03 | abrotman | iaj: debian.org/mirrors/list |
| 13:49.10 | vlyalcin | hii to all |
| 13:49.39 | vlyalcin | in evince, i cant see yellowed writing in pdf |
| 13:50.03 | vlyalcin | does anyone know how can i see that writing |
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| 13:53.39 | Zap-W | abrotman: no I am trying to find why forward_shared patch is giving me rejects by trying to find the debian patches, because forward_shared patch does work with the upstream kernel ver |
| 13:54.06 | abrotman | Zap-W: i'd suggest you pastebin the entire process and the errors .. |
| 13:54.31 | abrotman | Zap-W: to me anyway .. the proccess you're describing doesn't make sense |
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| 13:55.35 | Zap-W | abrotman: which part ? |
| 13:56.01 | Zap-W | which part dosen't make sense |
| 13:56.09 | abrotman | moment |
| 13:56.20 | fbh | How can I in the config (when building deb packages) make dependencies in a way, that it is not possible to install the package without them? When I just list them under dependencies it installs but only refuses to configure the package. I want it not to instlal anything without the dependencies |
| 13:56.38 | fbh | s/config/control/g |
| 13:56.44 | stew | fbh: use Recommends instead of Depends |
| 13:56.53 | stew | fbh: wait |
| 13:57.10 | stew | fbh: it sounds like it is already doing what you want. |
| 13:57.22 | abrotman | Zap-W: you apply the linux-patch set first, then the extra patch, and it fails? |
| 13:57.47 | fbh | stew: Right now it does actually unpack the binaries and place them in the right folders, but: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration |
| 13:58.01 | fbh | stew: I want it to do nothing until it is sure, that the dependencies are in place |
| 13:58.06 | Zap-W | abrotman: I apply the forward_shared patch on the debianized linux source and it rejects |
| 13:58.07 | stew | fbh: who is the target audience for your package? |
| 13:58.41 | abrotman | Zap-W: right .. i don't know what you've done to 'debianize' the source .. or from where you started |
| 13:58.55 | abrotman | hang out a bit .. maybe it will make sense to someone else |
| 13:59.15 | fbh | stew: internal deployment only. I just want to make sure that those who install it don't forget about the dependencies by force |
| 13:59.21 | Zap-W | abrotman: I simply downloaded the debian package linux-source-2.6.32 from squeeze repository |
| 13:59.35 | stew | fbh: you might want pre-depends. but pre-depends should really be used sparingly |
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| 14:00.27 | stew | fbh: its easy to get into unbreakable dependency loops with pre-depends |
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| 14:01.07 | fbh | stew: Yeah, I will of course test it thoroughly before introducing the packages to my colleagues |
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| 14:02.02 | benedikt | Any ideas? |
| 14:03.12 | babilen | fbh: You could also just use an internal repository to make the package available and let users install it with apt-get/aptitude. |
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| 14:04.05 | fbh | babilen: Yeah, I thought of that, but that's kind of a big thing to since we only deploy very few Debian servers. And the packages are officially built to RHEL |
| 14:05.07 | babilen | fbh: Why is it a big thing? |
| 14:05.20 | fbh | babilen: It would require a server to put the repository on |
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| 14:05.36 | babilen | fbh: It would also require a server to host the .debs |
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| 14:05.48 | fbh | scp file.deb user@server: |
| 14:05.50 | fbh | ;) |
| 14:05.58 | babilen | hehe, ok |
| 14:06.10 | fbh | customer servers cannot access our internal file servers (and for good reason) |
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| 14:07.52 | babilen | fbh: Well, you could copy the repository to each server -- Or just tell your (internal?) users how to install the package. But I just wanted to mention that you can quite easily come up with your own repository .. |
| 14:08.37 | fbh | I've never built a custom repository before, so it would take some extra time to figure out how to do that right as well |
| 14:09.20 | babilen | fbh: A very basic repository can be created by following "/msg dpkg own repo", but you might want to read about reprepro as well. "/msg dpkg reprepro" |
| 14:11.27 | fbh | Thanks for the info. I'll look into that if it should be required. Right now the only server I could possibly build a repo on is a Solaris box. So for now I'll stick with the deb packages :D It'll be like 10 servers on a yearly basis or so |
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| 14:12.00 | babilen | fbh: Sure, pick your poison. Just wanted to make sure you are aware of another alternative. |
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| 14:12.47 | fbh | And I'm definitely happy that you did. Options are always a good thing |
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| 14:15.10 | neoplus | Hi,Everry body. |
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| 14:21.06 | Owner_ | test |
| 14:21.10 | Owner_ | hello |
| 14:21.27 | Twinkletoes | General question really... I want to buy a wildcard ssl certificate for my domain, but am unsuer whether to use cheap ones, like rapidssl, or go higher up. AFAIK the cheap ones just get you to verify yourself by virtue of replying to an email. What would you recommend I do? |
| 14:21.39 | Owner_ | if a service is listening on 0.0.0.0 is that the same as 127.0.0.1 or does 127.0.0.1 only bind explicitly to localhost... |
| 14:21.41 | Twinkletoes | My general feeling is to go higher up... but to who? |
| 14:22.25 | abrotman | Owner_: not remotely close |
| 14:22.32 | Owner_ | Twinkletoes| just steal a cert from the government of malasia |
| 14:22.46 | Owner_ | abrotman| what |
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| 14:23.27 | Owner_ | abrotman| its closed remotely? |
| 14:25.15 | abrotman | Owner_: no .. 0.0.0.0 means listening everywhere .. 127.0.0.1 means just listening on loopback |
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| 14:26.55 | Owner_ | abrotman| hmm yeah thats what i was afraid of... |
| 14:26.58 | vjacob | was #debian-devel made invite only permanently? |
| 14:27.16 | daemonkeeper | It is not. You're on the wrong network. |
| 14:27.26 | Owner_ | abrotman| is it possible to put 0.0.0.0 blah in /etc/hosts for convenience |
| 14:27.26 | daemonkeeper | #debian-devel is on OFTC |
| 14:27.36 | Owner_ | for like daemon config files |
| 14:27.40 | vjacob | ok. thanks deamonkeeper |
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| 14:28.12 | abrotman | Owner_: it doesn't work like that ... |
| 14:28.22 | abrotman | Owner_: which daemon are you talking about ? |
| 14:28.34 | Owner_ | any |
| 14:28.36 | abrotman | thinks that's almost qotd worthy .. |
| 14:28.46 | abrotman | Owner_: give a specific case .. |
| 14:28.50 | Owner_ | what do you just put :PORT instead of 0.0.0.0 |
| 14:28.52 | abrotman | generally, you cange the config for that daemon |
| 14:29.01 | Owner_ | thats what i am saying... |
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| 14:29.28 | Owner_ | if you had 0.0.0.0 allinterfaces in /etc/hosts your config files would say allinterfaces:port |
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| 14:30.00 | Owner_ | im sure its possible, was just seeing if anyone had done it like that heh |
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| 14:32.06 | Zap-W | is there a vnc tool that records the screen to a file |
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| 14:32.59 | abrotman | Owner_: /etc/hosts has *nothing* to do with what you're trying to resolve |
| 14:33.10 | abrotman | Zap-W: there is istanbul and recordmydesktop |
| 14:33.44 | Owner_ | abrotman| it would still work |
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| 14:34.28 | jelly | abrotman: not constatinople? |
| 14:34.29 | abrotman | whatever you say .. if you've got it all figured out .. why are you asking ? |
| 14:34.41 | abrotman | jelly: argh .. not a good song@ |
| 14:34.42 | abrotman | ! |
| 14:34.44 | Owner_ | abrotman| to enlighten you |
| 14:34.50 | abrotman | Owner_: go for it .. have fun |
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| 14:34.54 | abrotman | you're still wrong |
| 14:35.06 | Owner_ | abrotman| nope |
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| 14:35.15 | abrotman | bye |
| 14:35.26 | Owner_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:35.35 | Owner_ | it looks up blah, and replaces it with the ip |
| 14:35.37 | Owner_ | and listens on t hat |
| 14:35.45 | Owner_ | if you put BLAH as 0.0.0.0 it would bind to all interfaces |
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| 14:36.06 | abrotman | right .. |
| 14:36.15 | Owner_ | i know |
| 14:36.21 | Owner_ | abrotman| bye |
| 14:36.24 | abrotman | so your logical step is to apply this to /etc/hosts and fix all your daemons ? |
| 14:36.35 | Owner_ | no |
| 14:36.45 | Owner_ | thats a hack |
| 14:36.54 | abrotman | no, that's wrong |
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| 14:37.51 | abrotman | waits for the explaination .. |
| 14:39.20 | abrotman | didn't think that'd happen |
| 14:39.41 | Owner_ | sorry im getting paid to do linux brb |
| 14:40.20 | abrotman | you get paid for that? |
| 14:40.32 | jelly | I'd like to be paid for brb |
| 14:41.01 | abrotman | i'd like to get paid to change 127.0.0.1 to 0.0.0.0 in /etc/hosts and think that will fix issues with dameons |
| 14:41.04 | abrotman | daemons |
| 14:41.08 | Owner_ | you are an idiot |
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| 14:41.39 | stew | lets keep this constructive... |
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| 14:41.59 | abrotman | i asked for an explanation .. i didn't get one .. you're the one that said /etc/hosts multiple times |
| 14:42.04 | abrotman | i told you to change the config for the daemons |
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| 14:43.34 | Owner_ | abrotman| what amazing advice |
| 14:44.00 | abrotman | still haven't explained anything .. |
| 14:44.07 | Owner_ | what is there to explain |
| 14:44.36 | abrotman | really wishes he had copy/paste in this client .. |
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| 14:44.54 | Floodman | Ðåáÿòà, ÿ ïîôëóæó. |
| 14:44.55 | Floodman | Õîðîøî. |
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| 14:44.59 | jelly | !ru |
| 14:44.59 | dpkg | eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 14:45.14 | Floodman | Àâòîð: Ëåòó÷èé Ìûøü |
| 14:45.15 | niko | Floodman: please, do not start here |
| 14:45.24 | Floodman | Íàçâàíèå: "Ñîëäàòñêàÿ øëþõà" |
| 14:45.32 | neoplus | ครับ |
| 14:45.34 | Floodman | Ñëóæèë ÿ â Çàáàéêàëüå, â çàõîëóñòíîì ãàðíèçîííîì ãîðîäêå, ãäå áîëüøóþ ÷àñòü ñîëäàò è îôèöåðîâ ñîñòàâëÿëè "ëèöà êàâêàçñêîé íàöèîíàëüíîñòè".  îñíîâíîì, ýòî áûëè àçåðáàéäæàíöû. Åñòåñòâåííî, ÷òî â íåêîòîðîì îòäàëåíèè îò íàøåé ÷àñòè ðàñïîëàãàëñÿ ñâèíàðíèê, òàêîå ïîäñîáíîå õîçÿéñòâî. Òàì ïîñòîÿííî äåæóðèëè äâà ñîëäàòà, êîòîðûå òàì æå è æèëè â âàãîí÷èêå. Åñòåñòâåííî, ÷òî çà ïîëíîé ìîåé íåñïîñîáíîñòüþ ê âîèíñêîé ñëóæáå ìåíÿ è îòïðàâèëè â ñâèíàðè.  ñâèíàðêè. Òî åñò |
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| 14:45.45 | jelly | Floodman: also, most channels in Freenode do UTF-8, not KOI8-R |
| 14:46.06 | abrotman | Owner_: you said you were going to put "0.0.0.0" in /etc/hosts for convenience .. i'm asking what you thought you might acheive by doing that |
| 14:46.19 | Owner_ | i said you could do that |
| 14:46.47 | abrotman | and do what? |
| 14:46.51 | abrotman | what do you think that will fix? |
| 14:47.32 | Owner_ | i was saying you could do that and put allinterfaces in all your configs if you wanted then you coudl easily change what they all listen on by changing one line IF YOU WANTED |
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| 14:47.46 | jelly | Owner_: you could. It would even do the expected thing if you used Ports BLAH:80 in /etc/apache2/ports.conf, but it's silly. |
| 14:47.57 | Owner_ | yea |
| 14:47.58 | stew | abrotman: i don't think he was trying to fix anything, but was asking if you could associate a name with 0.0.0.0 in /etc/hosts |
| 14:48.01 | Owner_ | i said its a hack |
| 14:48.18 | abrotman | stew: he said he could .. not asked |
| 14:48.19 | stew | i don't think this is anywhere clever enough to be considered a hack |
| 14:48.38 | Owner_ | then its a hackjob |
| 14:48.46 | Owner_ | instead of hack |
| 14:49.02 | jelly | Owner_: but it's not useful. You don't want to change "allinterfaces" to anything else. You might as well use 0.0.0.0 |
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| 14:49.23 | stew | its not as if 0.0.0.0 is terribly hard to understand or type |
| 14:49.41 | Owner_ | you havent worked with dbas |
| 14:50.02 | stew | i don't know what dbas is |
| 14:50.12 | abrotman | DBAs ? |
| 14:50.19 | jelly | I know what PBAS is! |
| 14:50.22 | CissWit | many DBA i guess |
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| 14:50.39 | babilen | What does this have to do with db admins? |
| 14:51.15 | abrotman | maybe he means RDBMS ? |
| 14:51.16 | arghx | DNS is the largest distributed DB in the world. surely it has legions of DBAs |
| 14:51.32 | petemc | i prefer flat files |
| 14:51.36 | abrotman | you would |
| 14:51.39 | petemc | yes |
| 14:51.49 | abrotman | so what is 'dbas' ? |
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| 14:52.31 | id10t | 'lo all |
| 14:54.15 | id10t | trying to get a new install up to wheezy... installed base squeeze and some other packages, changed sources.list to wheezy, tried a dist-upgrade and LOTS of packages fail depending on libglib2.0 ... is this "normal" broken or did i do soemthign wrong? |
| 14:54.40 | Owner_ | abrotman| stop baiting |
| 14:54.56 | abrotman | i'm not baiting .. i'm asking |
| 14:55.07 | Owner_ | Data Base Administrator |
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| 14:55.23 | abrotman | you think none of us have ever worked with or been a DBA ? |
| 14:55.33 | Owner_ | I was not talking to all of you |
| 14:55.39 | stew | you were talking to me? |
| 14:55.53 | stew | i suppose I am a DBA |
| 14:56.03 | stew | but this has gone way past the stupid and useless point |
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| 14:56.15 | Owner_ | yeah, its a perfectly valid response to "0.0.0.0 is not that hard to undrestand" |
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| 14:56.32 | abrotman | you didn't seem to understand it ... |
| 14:56.56 | Owner_ | then im a DBA |
| 14:56.57 | cipherboy | flaming is fun to watch gotta drop. |
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| 14:57.29 | walle | abrotman: is there any free ssh proxy server? |
| 14:57.50 | walle | abrotman: I want to visit website outside china's GFW... |
| 14:57.59 | Megaf | http://pastebin.com/Y7KgYwz9 |
| 14:58.01 | Megaf | help |
| 14:58.02 | Megaf | ? |
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| 14:58.17 | Megaf | Im attempting to compile this https://github.com/TTimo/doom3.gpl |
| 14:58.37 | abrotman | walle: did you try tor? or does it not work again in china ? |
| 14:58.52 | walle | abrotman: how to use tor? |
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| 14:59.08 | abrotman | tor.eff.org .. it has docs |
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| 14:59.46 | walle | abrotman: I can not access that site, because GFW.. |
| 14:59.53 | walle | fuck GFW |
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| 15:00.47 | abrotman | walle: tor is in Debian .. has docs and a man page |
| 15:01.03 | abrotman | judd: versions tor |
| 15:01.05 | judd | Package: tor on i386 -- lenny-volatile: 0.2.1.26-1~lennyvolatile2; lenny-backports: 0.2.1.26-6~bpo50+1; lenny: 0.2.1.29-1~lenny+1; squeeze: 0.2.1.29-1; lenny-security: 0.2.1.31-1~lenny+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 0.2.1.31-1; squeeze-security: 0.2.1.31-1; squeeze-backports: 0.2.2.34-1~bpo60+1; sid: 0.2.2.34-1; wheezy: 0.2.2.34-1; experimental: 0.2.3.7-alpha-1 |
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| 15:01.34 | walle | abrotman: is there any page talk about raw socket in linux? |
| 15:02.04 | abrotman | probably |
| 15:02.07 | nsadmin | in what language? |
| 15:02.15 | walle | any |
| 15:02.25 | nsadmin | ok, howbout C? |
| 15:02.35 | walle | chinese or english, but chinese better |
| 15:02.39 | walle | nsadmin: ....... |
| 15:02.45 | walle | nsadmin: C/C++ |
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| 15:03.20 | nsadmin | you might want to install manpages-dev |
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| 15:03.56 | id10t | trying to get a new install up to wheezy... installed base squeeze and some other packages, |
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| 15:04.01 | nsadmin | one word of caution, when you call any library function, check its output value |
| 15:04.12 | id10t | changed sources.list to wheezy, tried a dist-upgrade and LOTS of packages fail |
| 15:04.13 | id10t | depending on libglib2.0 ... is this "normal" broken or did i do soemthign wrong? |
| 15:04.15 | walle | nsadmin: yes, i have it, but i want to search some materials that easy to read |
| 15:04.23 | walle | nsadmin: blog may be better for me |
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| 15:05.11 | walle | also, is there any book talk about gnome3 plugin development? |
| 15:05.27 | id10t | walle http://bit.ly/u8LD1O |
| 15:05.51 | stew | id10t: can you show us the actual errors? |
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| 15:06.24 | stew | id10t: and have you checked the bts? |
| 15:06.28 | walle | id10t: thanks |
| 15:06.39 | id10t | stew - lemme pastebin it |
| 15:07.04 | id10t | http://pastebin.com/DgeebBsu |
| 15:07.38 | id10t | and my sources.list is really simple - |
| 15:07.41 | id10t | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 15:07.42 | id10t | deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 15:07.48 | stew | id10t: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy libglib2.0-0" ? |
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| 15:08.17 | id10t | # apt-cache policy libglibg2.0-0 |
| 15:08.17 | id10t | N: Unable to locate package libglibg2.0-0 |
| 15:08.17 | id10t | N: Couldn't find any package by regex 'libglibg2.0-0 |
| 15:08.40 | id10t | i'm guessing something b0rked in the apt-get dist-upgrade from squeeze to wheezy |
| 15:08.43 | stew | id10t: run "aptitude update", does that giv you any errors? |
| 15:09.01 | stew | judd: info libglibg2.0-0 wheezy |
| 15:09.02 | judd | No package named 'libglibg2.0-0' was found in wheezy/i386. |
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| 15:09.13 | id10t | stew nope |
| 15:09.28 | id10t | and i'm on amd64 if that matters |
| 15:09.51 | stew | wait |
| 15:09.55 | stew | id10t: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy libglib2.0-0" ? |
| 15:10.07 | stew | (you mistyped the packagename previously) |
| 15:10.09 | id10t | fwiw, i'm trying to get something to compile that needs some bleeding edge stuff.. but i don't want to leave squeeze on my desktop, so this is a second box that i'm going to the edge with, will compile it statically, then copy binary |
| 15:10.30 | id10t | apt-cache policy libglib2.0-0 |
| 15:10.30 | id10t | libglib2.0-0: |
| 15:10.30 | id10t | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.30 | id10t | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.30 | id10t | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:10.44 | id10t | whoops |
| 15:10.46 | id10t | lemme paste bin it |
| 15:11.13 | id10t | http://pastebin.com/iGwDiAE2 |
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| 15:11.27 | stew | id10t: have you tried doing this with aptitude instead of apt-get? i'd try that. |
| 15:11.42 | stew | i'd also try just installing just the libglib2.0-0 package by itself first |
| 15:11.56 | id10t | stew - i've always used apt-get ... would it be aptitude install libglib2.0-0 ? |
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| 15:12.08 | id10t | or should i do something like aptitude update? |
| 15:12.25 | stew | id10t: no, whatever command was giving you this error before but with aptitude instead of apt-get |
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| 15:13.11 | id10t | stew - will do. |
| 15:13.29 | id10t | stew - appreciate the help.... guess i need to rtfm on differences between aptitude and apt-get |
| 15:14.22 | stew | id10t: aptitude is slower and (usually) smarter. it will try harder to deal with a dependency problem where apt-get will often just give up a the first sign of trouble |
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| 15:15.34 | babilen | id10t: It will also suggest different solutions in which the requested action can be completed ... That allows you to find one that you like. (by answering "n" to the "Accept this solution?" question) |
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| 15:17.39 | berarma | hi, I want to run X apps from a non-graphical session but I get no display errors |
| 15:18.19 | berarma | I think that's a security feature in Debian, but I'd like to disable it if possible for one or all users |
| 15:18.37 | id10t | berarma, you need an X server |
| 15:19.00 | berarma | I have it, I'm just trying to start X apps from another terminal |
| 15:19.12 | berarma | I use gnome |
| 15:19.24 | id10t | berarma, then you need to export DISPLAY=0:0 or similar |
| 15:19.41 | berarma | id10t: that doesn't work |
| 15:19.43 | rawsted | is hdparm the appropriate utility for tuning SATA disks? |
| 15:20.10 | id10t | berarma, are you logged in to the "other terminal" as a different user? is it a remote machine? |
| 15:20.13 | arghx | rawsted: to a degree. FSVO of tuneing |
| 15:20.25 | id10t | berarma, you may need to use ssh and enable X tunneling |
| 15:20.30 | jelly | rawsted: typically, there is not much to tune apart from NCQ if the specific device is buggy |
| 15:20.48 | stew | berarma: be more specific than just "doesn't work". what happens? do you get an error? |
| 15:21.01 | rawsted | jelly: apm, spin-down? |
| 15:21.29 | jelly | yeah, hdparm |
| 15:22.03 | jelly | I forget there are devices with insane default settings that can lead to their early demise |
| 15:22.04 | berarma | stew: sorry, I thought it was a well-known issue |
| 15:22.11 | rawsted | jelly: what else would affect spin down? one of the curiosities that i noticed was that the particular drives i was setting options for spun UP when i configured those two things, so they were already idle |
| 15:22.30 | berarma | error: "Gtk-Warning **: cannot open display" |
| 15:22.36 | id10t | berarma, it is well known... but the error usually tells you what is wrong, etc. and without that we can't suggest a proper fix |
| 15:22.57 | berarma | it's the same user, I think it's an issue with session cookies |
| 15:23.14 | jelly | rawsted: their firmware; configuration of upper layers to not access the devices |
| 15:23.17 | berarma | I've worked around this finding gdm session cookies and telling the app to use them |
| 15:23.37 | berarma | well, I've done this in the past, but I'd better not having to do it everytime |
| 15:23.37 | id10t | berarma, so you've started a X session, somethign like gnome is running, you open a terminal and try launching an app like gedit and you get the error? |
| 15:23.38 | rawsted | jelly: would using hdparm muck up those things? |
| 15:23.48 | berarma | id10t: yes |
| 15:24.00 | stew | berarma: are you trying to run the app as the same user that is logged into X? or a different user? |
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| 15:24.06 | berarma | the same user |
| 15:24.31 | id10t | berama - what happens with "echo $DISPLAY" ? |
| 15:24.52 | berarma | nothing |
| 15:25.06 | berarma | I can set it to ":0" or whatever you want but it won't work |
| 15:25.16 | id10t | berama do "export DISPLAY=:0.0" and then try running edit |
| 15:25.19 | id10t | gedit that it |
| 15:25.44 | berarma | it doesn't work |
| 15:25.49 | stew | berarma: be more specific than just "doesn't work". what happens? do you get an error? |
| 15:25.49 | id10t | berarma, same error? |
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| 15:26.08 | berarma | have you ever heard about X session cookies? |
| 15:26.19 | stew | of course |
| 15:26.23 | stew | !mit magic cookie |
| 15:26.23 | dpkg | mit-magic-cookie is a key that a client application is required to possess in order to use your X11 display. Running xhost + removes this requirement which is why you should never use <xhost>. The xauth utility is in the xauth package (formerly xbase-clients) and is used to manipulate the mit-magic-cookie; ask me about <mit-magic-cookie export>. For other, easier ways of running apps as another user, ask me about <root x>. |
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| 15:26.32 | id10t | brb, gotta pay rent on the coffee |
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| 15:26.58 | berarma | stew: that might help |
| 15:27.06 | stew | though one would expect you not to have to muck with cookies if you are running a problem as the user that is logged in to X |
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| 15:27.18 | stew | as they should already be in the ~/.Xauthority file |
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| 15:28.05 | berarma | stew: it just fails when I'm in a terminal outside my gnome session |
| 15:28.07 | archetech | wheezy wont install on my amd sempron dies at kernel install either one |
| 15:28.35 | berarma | stew: I think it used to work that way, but recently I had to load cookies created by gdm somewhere else |
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| 15:28.54 | stew | berarma: what error do you get now? |
| 15:29.16 | berarma | "cannot open display" |
| 15:29.31 | stew | berarma: what does "echo $DISPLAY" say? |
| 15:29.39 | berarma | now it reads ":0.0" |
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| 15:29.51 | stew | odd, i'd expect the error to mention :0.0 then |
| 15:30.02 | berarma | wonders what this has to do with cookies |
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| 15:30.15 | iskywalker | Hi! |
| 15:30.20 | stew | berarma: what do you mean? |
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| 15:30.38 | iskywalker | I got a dell vostro 460, and somehow I have sound but I do not have a mixer... |
| 15:30.49 | berarma | stew: it should show some display id? |
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| 15:30.57 | iskywalker | I have 2 audio devices as lspci tells, one Intel and the other ATI... |
| 15:30.59 | stew | berarma: what do you mean? |
| 15:31.09 | mapache_uy | Hi! I'm seeing a weird behaviour with ftp.debian.org. |
| 15:31.27 | stew | mapache_uy: you shouldn't be using ftp.debian.org anyway, pick a mirror in your country: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 15:31.28 | mapache_uy | Of three addresses two return 404 for everything and one works. |
| 15:31.35 | berarma | I think gdm is managing my session cookies |
| 15:31.43 | id10t | berama - you mean that your are opening a virtual terminal (like ctrl+alt+f1 ) and logging in there and getting the error? |
| 15:31.50 | berarma | id10t: yes |
| 15:31.51 | mapache_uy | Ok, I will try that. Still, it is weird. |
| 15:32.12 | id10t | berama why aren't you just using gnome-terminal or similar in your gnome session? |
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| 15:32.34 | berarma | I really need to do it in a remotely opened session |
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| 15:32.47 | mapache_uy | Is there a channel to contact the administrators? |
| 15:32.48 | berarma | it's the same problem |
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| 15:33.07 | stew | mapache_uy: sure, you can talk to me |
| 15:33.29 | id10t | berama - for a remote session to have a GUI app on your local X server just use ssh and X tunneling/forwarding - be sure xauth is installed on remote box, then ssh -CY user@remotebox log in and run the app |
| 15:33.49 | berarma | I can't use tunneling! |
| 15:33.55 | id10t | berarma, why not? |
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| 15:34.06 | berarma | ............... |
| 15:34.09 | stew | id10t: becuase it makes no sense to tunnel |
| 15:34.25 | stew | id10t: he doesn't want to use the X server on the machine he's sshing from, but on the machine he's sshing to |
| 15:34.41 | id10t | aaah... |
| 15:34.41 | stew | if he's trying to get an xclient to talk to an xserver on the same machine there is no reason to tunnel |
| 15:34.42 | nkuttler | mmmh.. |
| 15:35.00 | id10t | wonders how one would interact with an app that is a GUI app on a machine you aren't sitting in front of... |
| 15:35.05 | id10t | gotta go to a meeting |
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| 15:35.08 | id10t | later |
| 15:35.26 | mapache_uy | stew: ok, you might want to check http://pastebin.com/eTNTCpSb |
| 15:35.27 | stew | i don't think anyone said he is not sitting in front of it |
| 15:35.54 | berarma | I'll be using a phone app without tunneling |
| 15:35.58 | stew | mapache_uy: please do not use ftp.debian.org, use a mirror in your country |
| 15:36.03 | berarma | believe me, it makes sense |
| 15:36.32 | mapache_uy | stew: I did get that much, thanks stew, but a server with three dns entries answering different things on each one does not seem to be ok. |
| 15:36.33 | berarma | some apps can be opened and controlled remotely |
| 15:37.20 | mapache_uy | stew: just trying to help, I *will* move to a mirror. Do as you see fit. |
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| 15:38.49 | mapache_uy | stew: by the way, there is no mirror in my country, but I will use the us one. |
| 15:40.21 | berarma | I think dpkg factoids are outdated, at least when gdm is controlling the Xorg session |
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| 15:43.58 | rawsted | jelly: would using hdparm muck up those things? |
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| 15:45.03 | jelly | rawsted: nope, those are things _other_ than hdparm that can affect spindown |
| 15:45.14 | icedwater | Anyone here with experience in editing SCIM tables? I'm trying to figure out how to extract strings from the file. |
| 15:45.17 | berarma | rawsted: you can take a look at blktool in case you're curious |
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| 15:48.47 | icedwater | Not sure what else is in there. |
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| 15:51.53 | mapache_uy | Moving to the us mirror doesn't work either: W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/dists/squeeze/contrib/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 64.50.233.100 80] |
| 15:52.17 | mapache_uy | and the same goes for squeeze/main |
| 15:52.33 | mapache_uy | Is anybody else able to get that url? |
| 15:52.45 | jelly | nkuttler: you forgot the /debian directory in http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
| 15:52.51 | jelly | mapache_uy: you forgot the /debian directory in http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
| 15:53.03 | berarma | stew: it works after doing: xauth extract :0 >~/.Xauthority |
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| 15:54.07 | berarma | why doesn't ~/.Xauthority get updated? |
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| 15:54.34 | mapache_uy | That was it. Moving to ftp.us.debian.org and adding the directory solved it. Thanks! |
| 15:54.44 | berarma | the fact is: xauth knows where mit-magic-cookies are, but apps not |
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| 16:14.00 | twobitsprite | is libcrack2 depricated in squeeze or something? I can download the source of the package, but the binary doesn't seem to be available in apt... |
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| 16:15.01 | jelly | ,versions libcrack2 |
| 16:15.03 | judd | Package: libcrack2 on i386 -- lenny: 2.8.12-8lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.8.16-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.8.16-4; sid: 2.8.18-3; wheezy: 2.8.18-3 |
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| 16:16.01 | gnarface | any advice on reinstalling debian (of a different arch) remotely? |
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| 16:16.23 | gnarface | i'm considering making the default partition on the harddrive a bootable install partition |
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| 16:17.01 | jelly | gnarface: install-guide, debootstrap method. Test it on a local machine first to kink out the details |
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| 16:17.12 | jelly | !-ig |
| 16:17.16 | jelly | !i-g |
| 16:17.16 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
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| 16:21.34 | twobitsprite | jelly: for some reason aptitude search isn't finding it |
| 16:22.40 | jelly | twobitsprite: how are you searching, exactly. aptitude search syntax is complex. |
| 16:23.02 | jelly | apt-cache search is nicer for casual usage |
| 16:23.10 | twobitsprite | jelly: "aptitude search libcrack2" |
| 16:23.20 | twobitsprite | nothing fancy |
| 16:23.23 | jelly | that's probably WRONG |
| 16:23.37 | twobitsprite | ok... |
| 16:23.52 | gnarface | jelly: it's kindof a pain to use that method to replace an existing install, isn't it? |
| 16:24.03 | twobitsprite | it's always worked for everything else I've ever searched for... package name is usually sufficient |
| 16:24.10 | stew | gnarface: yes, but what is the alternative? |
| 16:24.16 | gnarface | jelly: i actually wanted to displace the existing install |
| 16:24.33 | stew | gnarface: do you have (remote) console access? |
| 16:24.34 | jelly | gnarface: that's not a trivial goal |
| 16:24.44 | gnarface | i know :( |
| 16:24.57 | gnarface | the question is whether its worth an hour drive to stick a cd in |
| 16:25.02 | gnarface | and what i should do so i never have to again |
| 16:25.03 | twobitsprite | it also doesn't show up with just "aptitude search crack"... but lots of other related packages do show up |
| 16:25.05 | jelly | (read: can't be realistically done, even though there are places in the internets that show how to do that) |
| 16:25.22 | jelly | !tell twobitsprite about BAT |
| 16:26.22 | jelly | twobitsprite: in short, pastebin at least the output of "apt-cache policy" AND "apt-cache policy libcrack2" so someone may try go guess the cause |
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| 16:27.55 | mrroth | hi anyone here use alpine |
| 16:28.09 | mrroth | how do I have it sort emails in the inbox to show recent messsages on top |
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| 16:29.00 | twobitsprite | http://paste.debian.net/146744/ |
| 16:29.33 | twobitsprite | also, apt-cache search does find it... just not sure why aptitude doesn't |
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| 16:33.25 | stew | twobitsprite: what about "aptitude search '~nlibcrack2'" |
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| 16:34.25 | lancelot_of | hi there |
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| 16:35.14 | lancelot_of | i've to read 1 number from 100 different files of the same type. Is there any ready package for debian to do it or do i have to write a new one by myself? |
| 16:35.35 | jelly | lancelot_of: what kind of a file? |
| 16:35.52 | jelly | lancelot_of: you will probably have to script a bit yourself. |
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| 16:36.14 | lancelot_of | jelly, ascii file with more than 1000 lines of outputs (by FLUKA code) |
| 16:36.33 | jelly | lancelot_of: can you pastebin an example input file and expect output/result? |
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| 16:36.59 | jelly | lancelot_of: how do you discern or find the number you're looking for? |
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| 16:38.23 | rawburt | I want to run Debian on my B&N Nook... |
| 16:38.25 | rawburt | :D |
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| 16:41.49 | lancelot_of | jelly, i cannot pastebinit you, it's too long |
| 16:42.19 | babilen | lancelot_of: Give an example |
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| 16:43.08 | stew | the answer is likely to be "use awk" or "use perl" |
| 16:43.10 | jelly | lancelot_of: reduce to example to a more manageable size, or explain your intentions |
| 16:43.43 | jelly | stew: use perl can be an answer to ANYTHING |
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| 16:44.32 | stew | sure, but for practial extraction and reporting, its perhaps actually an appropriate language |
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| 16:45.17 | petemc | what about for pathological eclectic rubbish collection? |
| 16:45.28 | petemc | or even listing |
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| 16:45.54 | petemc | grabs his coat |
| 16:46.09 | lancelot_of | http://paste.debian.net/146747/ |
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| 16:46.29 | lancelot_of | sorry wrong |
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| 16:47.17 | jelly | uses DFA::Simple to reimplement petemc in a finite number of states and state changes |
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| 16:47.22 | stew | is this something where you screw up and a black hole envelops the earth? :P |
| 16:47.39 | lancelot_of | http://paste.debian.net/146749/ |
| 16:47.57 | stew | lancelot_of: which thing are you trying to extract? |
| 16:48.05 | jelly | all of my code comes with NO WARRANTY WHATSOVER to the full possible extent of local and international law |
| 16:49.00 | lancelot_of | that's the right one. I need to pick up the third number on line 13 (which is line 1991 of the file) for 100 of these files |
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| 16:49.27 | stew | lancelot_of: how do you distinguish the line? by it having "TARGET"? |
| 16:50.01 | lancelot_of | stew, yes |
| 16:50.50 | stew | lancelot_of: awk '$2=="TARGET"{print $5}' |
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| 16:51.30 | icedwater | pLk: hello! I see you're also on Osnanet. |
| 16:51.35 | stew | lancelot_of: that says "when the second column is "TARGET" print the 5th column |
| 16:51.44 | jelly | that's less than 1/9000!!!! |
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| 16:52.22 | lancelot_of | stew in which programming language? |
| 16:52.27 | stew | lancelot_of: in awk |
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| 16:52.50 | jelly | nowait. I don't know what 1D-05 means |
| 16:53.04 | stew | jelly: you're fired |
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| 16:53.36 | lancelot_of | 1D-05 means 10^(-05) |
| 16:53.39 | jelly | I'm only good with 1E-05s! |
| 16:53.48 | lancelot_of | in double precision |
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| 16:56.38 | stefanino | Hello, I downloaded debian-KDE iso image |
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| 16:56.53 | stefanino | When i try to configure kmail with opengpg it says it cant find gpgconf |
| 16:57.02 | stefanino | and yes, it looks like it isnt installed on the system |
| 16:57.11 | stefanino | any fix? |
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| 17:00.10 | arghx | stefanino: install it? |
| 17:00.24 | maher | when i print things from evince, there is a print dialog containing a page handling tab, with a page scaling option - how do iset the default value of this option? |
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| 17:02.19 | porton | How to set a fixed Sender: for every message sent by localhost through exim4? |
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| 17:03.19 | jhutchins_lt | porton: Depends on what's sending the message. |
| 17:03.39 | jelly | ,file bin/gpgconf |
| 17:03.41 | porton | jhutchins_lt: /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 17:03.42 | judd | Search for bin/gpgconf in squeeze/i386: gnupg2: usr/bin/gpgconf |
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| 17:04.07 | stew | odd, gnupg2 is in the Recommends: for kmail, so I'd expect it to have been installed when kmail was |
| 17:04.13 | jelly | stefanino: looks as if your MUA is expecting gnupg2 |
| 17:04.27 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there every one .... i am having issues here with the sound in KDE (stable ) .... when i put my machine to sleep or the screen goes blank ... there is no sound for the active tracks i have open ( on youtube or vlc or else ) .... and also i cant open multiple programs omitting audio at the same time ... any help here ? |
| 17:04.31 | jhutchins_lt | porton: sendmail is transporting the messages, what's originating them? |
| 17:04.40 | porton | jhutchins_lt: My CGI script |
| 17:04.54 | rly | How can I see the finger print (ssh) of the machine I am currently on? |
| 17:05.19 | porton | jhutchins_lt: The original message does not have Sender: but I want exim to automatically add it |
| 17:05.26 | petemc | porton: look at /etc/email-addresses |
| 17:05.47 | jhutchins_lt | I'd set it in the script myself. |
| 17:06.05 | petemc | or better yet use smtp |
| 17:06.14 | porton | jhutchins_lt: No, the script is intended to run on an other machine, maybe even not with exim |
| 17:06.32 | arghx | porton: then it would be ideal if the script itself set it |
| 17:06.37 | stew | rly: ssh-keygen -l -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub |
| 17:06.53 | lancelot_of | stew, great!is what i needed!thanks a lot, have a nice night |
| 17:07.04 | stew | lancelot_of: :) |
| 17:07.27 | cobra-the-joker | any help here with that sound issue ? |
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| 17:08.15 | porton | petemc: Editing /etc/email-addresses does not help |
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| 17:14.16 | stew | porton: why wouldnt' you just have the cgi script set the sender header? |
| 17:14.51 | porton | stew: I want this to work for all mail sent from my PC, not only for a specific CGI script |
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| 17:15.27 | stew | porton: and for all possible MTAs? |
| 17:16.11 | porton | stew: I want to set any MTA which will allow me to do this. Now I am with Exim, but I haven't succeed to configure any mail server on my PC |
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| 17:17.01 | porton | (This is a PC, not a server, but I test now a Web application on my PC to upload it to the real server after testing) |
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| 17:18.36 | porton | I have a dynamic IP and therefore want to configure Exim as a satellite, but my parent SMTP server does not accept any Sender: header except of my real email |
| 17:18.54 | porton | (This is the reason I want to set a fixed Sender:) |
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| 17:19.55 | arghx | porton: so you only want to fix the domain name but not the user part? |
| 17:19.56 | petemc | porton: /etc/email-addresses does what you need |
| 17:19.56 | stew | porton: exim has an "add_header" directive |
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| 17:20.57 | porton | stew: I don't grep any add_header in /etc/exim4. How to use it? |
| 17:21.11 | porton | arghx: I want to change both the domain and the user part |
| 17:21.47 | porton | petemc: I've already tried to add my email to /etc/email-addresses but sent messages persist to have a wrong Sender: |
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| 17:22.49 | petemc | porton: would you consider the possibility you used the incorrect syntax? |
| 17:23.01 | porton | petemc: Where? |
| 17:23.06 | petemc | in that file |
| 17:23.45 | porton | In /etc/email-addresses? It consists as I see only from comments and emails. How may it be wrong? |
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| 17:24.14 | porton | petemc: Oh, I see wrong syntax |
| 17:24.14 | petemc | did you try appending "*: user@host" |
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| 17:25.32 | porton | petemc: I added "*: porton@narod.ru" - t does not help |
| 17:25.39 | OZ4KK | !kdetoys |
| 17:25.48 | petemc | exim rewriting supports globbing |
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| 17:28.44 | rawsted | jelly: any particular reason why hdparm -i would reflect 'unknown setting' for apm after a hdparm -B 16 -S 242 /dev/sdx and a reboot? |
| 17:28.47 | erikja | I have installed Kdetoys, why can't I see it if executing rpm -ql Kdetoys ? |
| 17:28.58 | erikja | opensuse 12.1 |
| 17:29.08 | arghx | erikja: you are in #debian |
| 17:29.18 | erikja | Oh my, sorry :-( |
| 17:29.25 | rawburt | ARE NOT ALL LUNUXES INDENTICAL |
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| 17:29.54 | jelly | rawsted: one possibility is your device does not give out current apm value. |
| 17:30.08 | icedwater | !troll | rawburt |
| 17:30.14 | arghx | or is a seagate and ignores APM for patent reasons? |
| 17:30.19 | porton | I think /etc/email-addresses affects From: not Sender: - right? |
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| 17:30.40 | petemc | porton: man etc-email-addresses |
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| 17:31.07 | petemc | porton: try "*@*: user@host" |
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| 17:32.12 | porton | petemc: It does not help either |
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| 17:32.52 | stew | petemc: is that going to add a Sender: header when one doesn't exist? or just rewrite From:? |
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| 17:33.08 | stew | aiui, he wants to add a Sender: header |
| 17:33.10 | rawsted | arghx: it's a samsung |
| 17:33.24 | petemc | stew: it depends on the flags in the rewite section |
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| 17:33.31 | stew | ok |
| 17:33.43 | porton | Well, maybe there are an other way to configure my PC to send emails? My be with Google Mail or whatever? |
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| 17:34.16 | rawsted | jelly: is there a tool i can use to get device health status so that i might tell how fast it's spinning? i'm doing things remotely atm and can't actually observe |
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| 17:34.46 | porton | (Now I use a Russian SMTP host, which requires a password (fine for me) and does not accept my Sender: and this is exactly the problem) |
| 17:34.50 | rawsted | jelly: also, is there any reason why hdparm might be ignoring my block configurations in /etc/hdparm.conf ? |
| 17:34.51 | stew | petemc: don't the flags just say what to rewrite? or can you have a flag that says to add a header if it doesn't exist? |
| 17:35.05 | stew | porton: oh, the emails already have a Sender: header? |
| 17:35.16 | porton | stewL I don't know |
| 17:35.33 | stew | porton: you know yours is not accepted, but you don't know if you are sending one? |
| 17:35.39 | porton | stew: I just use standard Satellite Exim4 config |
| 17:36.20 | porton | stew: Emails sent with commands "/usr/bin/mail" and "/usr/sbin/sendmail" are not accepted by my parent SMTP |
| 17:36.53 | stew | porton: are they accepted when you send them with /usr/sbin/sendmail when you include a Sender:? |
| 17:37.17 | twobitsprite | stew: sorry, got pulled away... anyways, '~nlibcrack2' doesn't work either |
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| 17:39.47 | porton | stew: Oh, maybe the problem not with Sender: field. I sent a message with correct Sender: through /usr/sbin/sendmail and it says: |
| 17:39.56 | porton | SMTP error from remote mail server after MAIL FROM:<porton@localhost> SIZE=1413 AUTH=porton@victor.portonvictor.org: |
| 17:39.56 | porton | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.56 | porton | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:41.21 | porton | Anyone configured sending mail from a PC through an MTA? Share your experience. |
| 17:41.38 | stew | porton: so its not any of the email headers, its the envelope From that is the problem |
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| 17:42.26 | stew | porton: what is in /etc/mailname? |
| 17:42.37 | stew | actually i don't know how sendmail determines this |
| 17:42.38 | stew | err |
| 17:42.42 | stew | exim4. i hate exim |
| 17:42.48 | porton | stew: victor.portonvictor.org |
| 17:42.56 | stew | porton: you probably need to "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" and set something more sane than localhost |
| 17:43.02 | porton | (It is an unexisting host) |
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| 17:43.44 | zleslie | Hi |
| 17:44.18 | zleslie | Is deborphan have purpose anymore with autremove in apt-get these days? |
| 17:44.20 | porton | If I set /etc/mailname it would not help with emails originating from other system users |
| 17:44.30 | zleslie | true |
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| 17:45.04 | porton | Can I send emails through Google Mail? |
| 17:45.12 | zleslie | yes |
| 17:45.30 | porton | zleslie: Are there any problem sending through Google Mail with Exim4? |
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| 17:45.44 | zleslie | I don't use exim, so I don't know |
| 17:45.51 | zleslie | the foks in #exim might now |
| 17:45.54 | zleslie | *know |
| 17:45.56 | porton | zleslie: What do you use? |
| 17:46.09 | zleslie | the other white meat, postfix |
| 17:46.26 | porton | zleslie: And does it work with Google Mail? |
| 17:46.35 | zleslie | yes, but again, #postfix |
| 17:46.38 | zleslie | this is not a debian issue at all |
| 17:46.44 | zleslie | other than installing the pacakge |
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| 17:47.09 | zleslie | porton: there are lots of good tutorials on how to setup postfix with google mail |
| 17:48.50 | llutz | wouldn't a simple mailer like msmtp/ssmtp be easier for just sending mails trough gmail? |
| 17:49.08 | porton | llutz: The trouble is that I don't know |
| 17:49.25 | llutz | porton: http://code.google.com/p/google-gadgets-for-linux/wiki/MSMPTQuickStart |
| 17:50.17 | porton | llutz: But does MSMTP support /usr/sbin/sendmail? |
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| 17:51.05 | llutz | porton: I'm not sure |
| 17:51.09 | stew | porton: now that you know the envelope sender is the problem and not the sender header, why not just try to fix exim? |
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| 17:51.29 | porton | stew: I'm not paid enough for this job |
| 17:51.39 | stew | ok |
| 17:51.46 | stew | then I'm definitely not paid enough for your job |
| 17:52.11 | porton | stew: I really have more important tasks |
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| 17:53.23 | jhutchins_lt | Configuring a real mail server via advice on IRC as opposed to learning how to configure a mailserver seldom results in happiness. |
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| 17:53.51 | llutz | porton: from msmtp-site: "...Sendmail compatible interface (command line options and exit codes)...." |
| 17:54.35 | porton | "sudo apt-get install msmtp" hanged |
| 17:54.36 | dtcrshr | hello everyone! for no apparent reason, i cant use gnome anymore. If i log in with my user, it stays in a screen with the mouse pointer, which i can move arround, but nothing works, alt f2 or something... is there a way to fix up gnome, reinstalling, dpkg ... |
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| 17:56.05 | porton | http://code.google.com/p/google-gadgets-for-linux/wiki/MSMPTQuickStart - I see only per user config of MSMTP. Can it be configured system-wide? |
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| 17:57.00 | id10t | stew - thanks for the assist earlier... got my stuff installed finally |
| 17:57.22 | stew | :) |
| 17:57.29 | cusco | j httpd |
| 17:57.30 | cusco | oops |
| 17:57.34 | llutz | porton: http://msmtp.sourceforge.net/doc/msmtp.html#Examples |
| 17:57.34 | id10t | unfortunately, i have a new problem.... :) |
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| 17:57.42 | id10t | anyone else running their own local debian mirror? |
| 17:58.08 | id10t | apt-mirror is throwing an error for wheezy stuff ... Proceed indexes: [Psh: cannot open ftp.us.debian.org/debian//dists/wheezy/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz: No such file |
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| 17:58.28 | id10t | i can get (a) file fine w/ my browser from that url... |
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| 17:58.41 | porton | SMTP system wide config file location is apparently kept in secret |
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| 17:58.48 | porton | MSMTP system wide config file location is apparently kept in secret |
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| 17:59.52 | porton | /etc/msmtprc |
| 18:00.00 | mutante | are the dpkg package status line, output of dpkg -l, case sensitive? Is f != F or the same? |
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| 18:00.25 | mutante | i have one with state "iF", but i only see "f" = failed config |
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| 18:01.40 | Artemis3 | id10t, i see two slashes there, hrmmm |
| 18:02.13 | id10t | Artemis3, its http access, i've got TONS of other lines in my apt-mirror file that work (squeeze, lenny, some ubuntu stuff, etc) |
| 18:02.36 | id10t | but the wheezy is new (as of yesterday) and when i check logs today it didn't synch |
| 18:02.44 | Artemis3 | id10t, try another mirror? |
| 18:02.45 | id10t | new to my mirror i mean |
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| 18:03.51 | porton | $ msmtp --auth=on porton@narod.ru |
| 18:03.51 | porton | msmtp: cannot use a secure authentication method |
| 18:03.51 | porton | msmtp: could not send mail (account default from /etc/msmtprc) |
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| 18:04.59 | porton | Nov 23 20:03:11 victor msmtp: host=smtp.yandex.ru tls=off auth=on user=porton from=porton@narod.ru recipients=porton@narod.ru errormsg='cannot use a secure authentication method' exitcode=EX_UNAVAILABLE |
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| 18:06.45 | porton | MSMTP works! |
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| 18:09.36 | id10t | Artemis3, same error when using debian.cc.lehigh.edu |
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| 18:10.02 | id10t | think i will just hold off on mirroring wheezy for a while |
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| 18:13.48 | CptnSpaulding | quick and short: any way to install gnome extensiosn via apt? I can't find no package or semiofficial repo to add into sources.list |
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| 18:15.00 | rockenrola | Hi, I'm trying to setup IPoIB following this http://pkg-ofed.alioth.debian.org/howto/infiniband-howto-5.html. I can ping the other host, but not use ssh |
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| 18:16.11 | rockenrola | anyone can help? |
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| 18:19.19 | dtcrshr | hello people, is there a way to "rebuild" gnome? i cant login, when it allows me it stays on a graphic screen only with the mouse pointer |
| 18:19.28 | dtcrshr | aptitude reinstall or something |
| 18:20.31 | jordanm | dtcrshr: try creating a new user and logging in as the new user |
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| 18:25.30 | lancelot_of | stew, http://paste.debian.net/146749/ how to use awk, as you suggested me before, in order to print out the second number under 'Prompt radiation' at the very end of the paste? |
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| 18:28.02 | stew | lancelot_of: awk '{if(seen){print $1;exit}};/Prompt radiation/{seen=1}' |
| 18:28.29 | stew | lancelot_of: if we've "seen" it before, print the fits column and exit. otherwise, see if we see it |
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| 18:31.31 | lancelot_of | stew, there are two 'Prompt radiation' columns.I'd like to get the number shown on the left of 'GeV electro magnetic showers' under the last one.the line you gave me does not the work |
| 18:31.42 | rawsted | is there a tool which can get hdd health status information, in particular current rpm? |
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| 18:33.28 | arghx | rawsted: that's no health info. the only health info you can get is SMART. and a hdd is made for some speed and runs at that, no matter what. so check the exact type of your hdd, google it and you know how fast it spins |
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| 18:33.52 | stew | lancelot_of: are there always going to be two? |
| 18:34.01 | lancelot_of | stew yes |
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| 18:34.20 | rawsted | arghx: alright, how about a tool which specifies whether the disk is currently spinning? (i'm doing things remotely with hdparm and can't observe if they're taking effect or not) |
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| 18:34.37 | arghx | rawsted: if you can access the disk it is spinning |
| 18:34.38 | nick_h | is there any reason not to switch to upstart in Squeeze? |
| 18:34.47 | stew | lancelot_of: awk '{if(seen){seen=0 if($7=="GeV"){print $1;exit}}};/Prompt radiation/{seen=1}' |
| 18:34.50 | arghx | rawsted: even hdparm or smartctl need the disk spinning |
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| 18:36.50 | rawsted | arghx: alright, is there a tool which tells me if the disk is (asleep|in standby), however you want to define those? |
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| 18:36.58 | lancelot_of | stew, awk: {if(seen){seen=0 if($7=="GeV"){print $1;exit}}};/Prompt radiation/{seen=1} |
| 18:36.59 | lancelot_of | awk: ^ syntax error |
| 18:37.07 | stew | lancelot_of: add a ; after 0 |
| 18:37.29 | mark_ | hi guys I have a problem mounting my kindle in debian squeeze. It always mounts as root. In my fstab I have auto for fs type and defaults for the rest. How can I mount it as normal user? |
| 18:37.47 | stew | mark_: what filesystem is it? |
| 18:37.51 | arghx | mark_: put "user" in the fstab options |
| 18:37.55 | mark_ | Ithink it's fstab |
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| 18:38.13 | mark_ | arghx, already tried but nothing also with the name of the user |
| 18:38.26 | arghx | mark_: what filesystem is it? answer stew |
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| 18:38.51 | jelly-home | good heavens |
| 18:39.40 | arghx | mark_: mount it and then run "mount". it will tell you what filesystem it is. pastebin the "mount" output |
| 18:39.51 | stew | file -s /dev/whatever will tell you as well |
| 18:40.24 | Some_Person | Anyone here familiar with github? If so, how can I grab somebody's commit as a diff |
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| 18:40.53 | jelly-home | stew, lancelot_of: what about 'seen && $7 == "GeV" {print $1; exit} seen {seen = 0} /Prompt rad/ {seen=1}' |
| 18:41.23 | stew | yeah, that's much nicer |
| 18:41.44 | jelly-home | finite state machines ftw |
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| 18:42.45 | mark_ | here there is http://pastebin.com/W4E8q0JH |
| 18:42.46 | rawsted | arghx: do you know of any such utility? |
| 18:43.19 | arghx | rawsted: smartctl, hdparm, your linux kernel... |
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| 18:43.37 | arghx | oh standby. that would be hdparm |
| 18:43.50 | arghx | and: simply access the disk and it's not in standby anymore |
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| 18:44.58 | mark_ | my fstab now is /dev/sdc1/media/Kindlevfatrw,user,noauto00 with 777 permissions on Kindle |
| 18:45.16 | lancelot_of | jelly-home, stew none of the two work, 'cause they return the first number from the left of the FIRST row showing 'GeV', i want the first from the left on the row showing "GeV electro-magnetic shower'. But trying to add these words in the command does nothing |
| 18:46.11 | rawsted | arghx: found the option in hdparm, thanks. curious where kernel keeps it - /proc ? |
| 18:46.26 | dtcrshr | jordanm, on the new user ocurred the same |
| 18:46.33 | mark_ | stew, still mounting as root... |
| 18:46.40 | dtcrshr | it logs, but stays on the grey background with only the mouse |
| 18:46.43 | maher | when i print things from evince, there is a print dialog containing a page handling tab, with a page scaling option - how do i set the default value of this option? |
| 18:46.50 | jordanm | rawsted: it probably doesn't store that information. likely it is attained using ioctl() |
| 18:46.54 | stew | lancelot_of: add those words, but don't turn off "seen" or print until you see them |
| 18:47.01 | arghx | rawsted: look at the hdparm source... |
| 18:47.06 | stew | mark_: use uid/gid/umask options to mount |
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| 18:47.46 | mark_ | stew, this was my idea but I'm not able. I knew a command... something like vol_id --uuid but how can I see the id of the kindle? |
| 18:48.04 | stew | mark_: why are you not able? |
| 18:48.11 | jordanm | rawsted: again, guess, I would say HDIO_GET_IDENTITY is passed to ioctl() |
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| 18:48.16 | mark_ | how can I know the uuid? |
| 18:48.25 | stew | mark_: what does uuid hav to do with uid/gid/umask? |
| 18:48.36 | mark_ | ok then no idea :S |
| 18:48.40 | lancelot_of | stew, awk 'seen && $7 == "GeV electro-magnetic shower" {print $1; exit} seen {seen = 0} /Prompt rad/ {seen=1}' does nothing |
| 18:49.05 | stew | mark_: right now you are adding the rw,user,noauto options, i'm telling you three more options to use |
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| 18:49.27 | mark_ | so add those three with a comma? |
| 18:49.42 | stew | mark_: these three new ones require arguments |
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| 18:50.29 | stew | lancelot_of: do you understand how this stuff works at all? |
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| 18:50.52 | mark_ | mmm ok then let me see...umask=700? gid and uid? |
| 18:50.55 | stew | lancelot_of: at some point we have to stop just feeding you and you have to start understanding how to do this on your own |
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| 18:51.06 | lancelot_of | stew, yes,but no time to read the manual in order to learn the correct syntax |
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| 18:51.18 | stew | lancelot_of: you have all the syntax you need |
| 18:51.21 | azert | helllo anyone there ? |
| 18:51.41 | jelly-home | lancelot_of: you can fuzz it a bit. replace that $7 == "GeV electro-magnetic shower" with a mere /GeV electro-magnetic shower/ |
| 18:51.43 | stew | mark_: umask works in the opposite sense, it is something to subtract from 777 |
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| 18:51.56 | stew | lancelot_of: you can drop the seen=0 |
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| 18:52.21 | mark_ | ah yeah, so 000? |
| 18:52.23 | stew | i wonder if the whole thing can be just "/GeV nuclear recoils and heavy fragments/{print $1} |
| 18:52.33 | jelly-home | lancelot_of: else you'd have to $7 == "GeV" && $8 == "electro-magnetic" && $9 == ... |
| 18:52.40 | stew | mark_: do you need users other than the user listed in uid to be able to write to this drive? |
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| 18:52.54 | lancelot_of | jelly, i tried this way before but it doesn't work |
| 18:53.03 | mark_ | well actually I'm the only user with root... |
| 18:53.17 | stew | lancelot_of: awk '/GeV nuclear recoils and heavy fragments/{print $1}' |
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| 18:54.00 | stew | mark_: 000 will make everything chmod 777, which is a sign that you are doing something wrong |
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| 18:54.08 | stew | mark_: or that you just don't care about security |
| 18:54.19 | mark_ | yep but on this swindle I don't care :) |
| 18:54.38 | brah | Good news everyone! |
| 18:54.51 | brah | I wasn't able to get grub to work yesterday, then by mistake I wiped up my whole MBR. |
| 18:55.04 | lancelot_of | stew, that works, thank you |
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| 18:55.10 | brah | I had a Windows XP installation as my first partition. Now it's gone and Grub is working. |
| 18:55.31 | mark_ | stew, anyway I just have to set uid and gid for my user and set umask properly? |
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| 18:55.50 | brah | Either that, or installing using the repositories is broken. I installed only off the CD this time. |
| 18:55.55 | stew | mark_: yes, and probably not umask |
| 18:56.17 | mark_ | so it will be 022 as the system one? |
| 18:56.31 | mark_ | so it means that the user that owns it has 7 |
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| 18:57.55 | lancelot_of | stew does awk has any function to print those numbers as numbers and not as text? |
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| 19:00.27 | mark_ | stew, does this work? /dev/sdc1/media/Kindleautorw,user,noauto, uid=1000, gid=100000 |
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| 19:00.55 | stew | mark_: you can't have spaces in the options list |
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| 19:03.15 | mark_ | stew, thanks! it solved everything! :) but I can't understand why the "user" option didn't work |
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| 19:04.12 | stew | mark_: "user" means that anyone should be able to mount it, but not unmount it. it doesn't try to say anything about permissions |
| 19:04.37 | stew | mark_: "user" works on all filesystems, even those which already have permissions support compatible with linux |
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| 19:05.19 | stew | mark_: this is fat32 which has no concept of ownership/permissions, so we need to add these additional options to tell it how simulate permissions for these files |
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| 19:07.50 | Corey | Hi, stew. :-) |
| 19:08.03 | Corey | Is an FQDN "proper" in /etc/hostname? |
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| 19:08.24 | stew | Corey: hi :) |
| 19:08.45 | Corey | And the man page says no. Okay then. :-) |
| 19:08.50 | stew | Corey: it depends on who you ask. some people say yes, some people "must not". usually not and the rest of the fqdn comes from /etc/hosts |
| 19:08.51 | jelly-home | Corey: nope! Put the short name in there. Put the "st.at.ic.ip fqdn shortname" in /etc/hosts |
| 19:08.54 | Corey | That's a little confusing at times. |
| 19:09.18 | mark_ | stew, oh now it's clear! Thanks so much mate! Have a good night! ;) |
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| 19:09.19 | Corey | Right, and the mail gets through properly (it's always about mail...) but the "From" address is built as user@shortname |
| 19:09.23 | Corey | Which is Just Wrong. |
| 19:09.24 | NikLP | Hi, I'm coming here as a debian user. I need to provision a new web server very shortly. I currently have a debian box, which has been fine for the most part. I wonder if anyone can shed a decent amount of light on the argument between debian/ubunt and gentoo for this purpose. I have a friend who is extremely aggressively supportive on the side of gentoo, and he makes compelling arguments,... |
| 19:09.25 | NikLP | ...but I need a second opinion, (hopefully without too much fanboyism!) |
| 19:09.38 | jelly-home | Corey: it depends on the distro/OS and the sort of broken app you're going to run on it |
| 19:09.40 | stew | Corey: what is in /etc/mailname? |
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| 19:09.55 | Corey | stew: FQDN. |
| 19:10.02 | mark_ | stew, but now it doesn't let me umount as normal user |
| 19:10.12 | stew | mark_: for that you need users instead of user |
| 19:10.25 | stew | NikLP: we recommend debian |
| 19:10.42 | NikLP | because? :) |
| 19:10.52 | Corey | NikLP: I'm running both in my environment. |
| 19:10.58 | jordanm | !tell NikLP about why debian |
| 19:11.04 | Corey | They've both got their advantages and disadvantages. |
| 19:11.17 | babilen | NikLP: The most important part is that the person who will work on the system knows the distribution well. All I can say is that Debian is definitely well suited for the task, but you have to tell us about your specific requirements if you want good advice. |
| 19:11.21 | Corey | I find I have to break a lot more to get Ubuntu to run properly in a server context. |
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| 19:11.50 | NikLP | well I'm not a super sys admin, I need something simple-ish, but I'm happy to learn... I'm just getting a roasting from a friend who's strongly pushing me to gentoo and I can't think of a counterpoint |
| 19:12.08 | mark_ | stew, ahah ok now it works, missed a s :) thanks again! |
| 19:12.14 | Corey | NikLP: Gentoo for servers is just stupid. |
| 19:12.33 | Corey | NikLP: If you're going to do source build in production, first off Don't. Secondly, FreeBSD is the sane way to go if that's how you want to roll. |
| 19:12.37 | stew | debian is stable in the sense that debian stable doesn't change for years. so you don't worry that an upgrade will break things on the server due to versions changing. if you are getting an upgrade on stable, it should just be a security patch and nothing more |
| 19:12.42 | stew | NikLP: ^ |
| 19:13.05 | mark_ | exit |
| 19:13.07 | Corey | Ubuntu tends to make odd decisions. |
| 19:13.20 | Corey | For instance, in their LTS, they've got link aggregation busted. WONTFIX. |
| 19:13.49 | jelly-home | Corey: that's not THAT hard to set up |
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| 19:13.57 | stew | i'm not familiar with gentoo to know if they have a stable release where you can be assured to get security fixes without other stuff |
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| 19:14.09 | Dev0n_ | hey, what's the proper way to escape and echo an exclamation mark? |
| 19:14.21 | jelly-home | Corey: or fix by using a custom kernel if that's what's broken |
| 19:14.36 | jelly-home | Dev0n_: echo '!' |
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| 19:16.44 | Corey | jelly-home: Aye, but if I've gotta go down that road, why not just use Debian? :-) |
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| 19:17.26 | jelly-home | well if it works... |
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| 19:18.29 | Dev0n_ | thanks jelly-home |
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| 19:20.55 | NikLP | do you guys have an opinion on debian over ubuntu (given that I will likely end up ubuntu variant desktop os) or are you happy to stop at that point? :) |
| 19:21.17 | stew | NikLP: we like debian |
| 19:21.19 | NikLP | this again may not be the best place to ask for non biased opinion :) |
| 19:21.20 | babilen | NikLP: You are in #debian |
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| 19:21.51 | NikLP | I am aware of this... but I'm interested in why YOU are in #debian :) |
| 19:21.55 | ZekeS | NikLP: clearly you should use Arch or something |
| 19:21.58 | ZekeS | >.> |
| 19:22.34 | arghx | ZekeS: one can only hope |
| 19:22.46 | ZekeS | idk, I'm just lurking because Debian is one of the two distros I'm considering plopping on this old iBook I dug up :p |
| 19:22.48 | NikLP | stays on debian out of spite then :P |
| 19:22.58 | stew | NikLP: i like that debian is run by volunteers and attempts to be 100% free. I like that they emphasize a high quality stable release over releasing on a schedule regardless of quality |
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| 19:23.50 | arghx | don't forget the many architectures it supports |
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| 19:23.56 | brah | NikLP: I like a server-grade OS where I don't have to compile everything. |
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| 19:24.09 | ZekeS | Yeah, it supports ppc without being otherwise horrifying, which is nice |
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| 19:24.40 | stew | NikLP: this is all philisophical though. i've never tried ubuntu |
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| 19:25.00 | meth | can't i see a list of security patches added to a given package ? |
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| 19:25.36 | stew | meth: maybe? what specifically are you after? |
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| 19:26.00 | meth | wanted to see what security patches were applied to apache2 |
| 19:26.22 | babilen | NikLP: I will not bash Ubuntu or anything. I like Debian for many reasons that comprise things like outstanding package quality, very good support, tested and working upgrades between releases, its clear position on free software and last but not least a very nice community. |
| 19:26.30 | nag | NikLP: it depends on what you plan to do with your install... multimedia, games, flash -> ubuntu, otherwise debian |
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| 19:26.32 | stew | meth: what do you mean? do you mean patches debian added to the upstream source? do you want to see what security advisories have been address? |
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| 19:26.44 | stew | meth: is there some security advisory in particular you are wanting to know about? |
| 19:26.56 | meth | yes i want to know on top of apache2 version x.y.z what debian changed |
| 19:26.56 | stew | meth: are you wanting to see security patches from one upstream release of apache to another? |
| 19:27.11 | meth | for the latest version that i have |
| 19:27.36 | NoReflex | hello! I had some problems with a filesystem and after copying everything I could from it (about 9 files could not be copied) I ran fsck.ext4 on it and it reported a few errors but all of them seem fixable (http://pastebin.com/pRxZhHFw). what do you think? |
| 19:27.45 | stew | meth: if you go to http://packages.debian.org/apache2 then go to a particular version, the right column will have a .diff.gz link which is the debian diff |
| 19:27.59 | NikLP | babilen: nag: yeah obviously ubuntu is similar to debian but wondering whether to plump for ubuntu server just for ease of use in terms of ubuntu desktop != debian server, but not 100% sure on how stressful the difference would be on a dumbass admin such as myself |
| 19:28.22 | valdyn | NoReflex: "fixable" means that filesystem consitency is fixed, not that your data can be recovered |
| 19:28.25 | jordanm | meth: apt-get source apache2. patches are in debian/patches. looks like security ones have the CVE in their filename |
| 19:28.36 | ZekeS | nag: isn't there a nonfree repo for debian that includes flashplugin et al? |
| 19:28.36 | meth | cool |
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| 19:28.38 | meth | how old is natty now ? |
| 19:28.39 | nag | NikLP: in a server capacity, the primary difference is newness of packages |
| 19:28.49 | meth | ah sorry that's an ubuntu think right |
| 19:28.52 | NikLP | ie the LTS factor? |
| 19:28.55 | valdyn | NoReflex: or if your data is not in jeopardy then fsck doesnt prompt to ask |
| 19:28.58 | nag | ZekeS: yes, but I meant to illustrate that in ubuntu, it's out-of-box |
| 19:28.59 | NoReflex | valdyn, anyway I don't think I have another option after trying to copy everything I could |
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| 19:29.14 | brah | NikLP: Depends. Are you the kind of folk who installs a desktop environment to his server? Or are you looking for more professional stuff? |
| 19:29.15 | stew | ZekeS: no, flashplugin is not legally redistributable. there is a contrib package which will help you download it from adobe named flashplugin-nonfree |
| 19:29.16 | NikLP | (all this aside from the horror of unity btw) |
| 19:29.16 | ZekeS | nag: assuming you hit the install button for it |
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| 19:29.37 | NikLP | I would not install a desktop env on the server no :) headless vps style |
| 19:30.07 | jordanm | NoReflex: you can run it with -y, looks like you are going to lose a small ammount of data, but its unusable anyways |
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| 19:30.11 | stew | NikLP: on a headless remote server, I would not expect ubuntu to make anything easier to the admin |
| 19:30.14 | ompaul | NikLP: then the diff is a minor one - just follow *.debian.org and you'll be happy |
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| 19:30.36 | valdyn | NoReflex: depends on how much money or effort/time you want to put into this |
| 19:30.38 | ompaul | NikLP: where that is www or wiki or |
| 19:31.11 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... how can i open a locked ( with password ) archive in kde ... cant open it with ark ( keep loading forever ) ... any help ? |
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| 19:31.50 | babilen | NikLP: I have no experience with Ubuntu Server and have no idea what it offers over Debian. I've worked in small/medium-sized Debian shops and we were very happy with the decision to use it. You can even get paid support for Debian ... The only advantage of Ubuntu that comes to mind are that they have LTS releases if a longer support window than Debian's typical 3 years is important for you. |
| 19:31.53 | ompaul | cobra-the-joker: and ehn what is this archive? |
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| 19:32.22 | cobra-the-joker | ompaul, its an archive i encrypted a while ago |
| 19:32.36 | babilen | NikLP: There are, however, talks within the security team to provide longer security support for Debian releases as well, but I haven't followed it that closely. |
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| 19:33.01 | ompaul | cobra-the-joker: well done, what is this archive (read the question and wonder what is ompaul asking ;-)) bz2 tar gzip what |
| 19:33.11 | stew | babilen: i have the feeling that longer security support would be a no-brainer if we actually had the volunteer manpower to do it |
| 19:33.15 | jhutchins_lt | It's just a matter of having the people to do it. |
| 19:33.17 | NikLP | ompaul: apologies - "just follow *.debian.org"? I'm sure just two more words or so of context will ensure that makes more sense to me :) |
| 19:33.34 | babilen | NikLP: Still: If you want real advice you have to tell us about your actual needs, such as the services you want to offer, etc ... |
| 19:33.45 | babilen | stew: Indeed |
| 19:33.52 | rawsted | arghx, jelly-home: you suppose /etc/hdparm.conf will know what to do with a device UUID? |
| 19:34.00 | ompaul | NikLP: the next line explains wiki or www so www.debian.org might be one and so on |
| 19:34.23 | NikLP | sorry |
| 19:34.35 | cobra-the-joker | ompaul, its a rar archive ( unrar is installed ) |
| 19:34.59 | jelly-home | rawsted: I'm using /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST9320423AS_5VJ02W3P { ... } |
| 19:35.08 | ompaul | cobra-the-joker: so then just double click on it in dolphin |
| 19:35.28 | valdyn | rawsted: and theres /dev/disk/by-uuid/ too |
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| 19:35.54 | NikLP | sure, babilen - really just a LAMP stack with some optimisations, for drupal |
| 19:35.54 | cobra-the-joker | ompaul, i did and it opened ark ( the archive program for kde ) but it keeps loading with no intension of opening |
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| 19:36.16 | rawsted | jelly-home, valdyn: thanks |
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| 19:37.33 | ompaul | cobra-the-joker: best to fall back to command line and see what happened |
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| 19:37.53 | babilen | NikLP: I am not much of a PHP/Drupal person, but I don't see a reason why you shouldn't be able to use the Debian packages. I would, however, also recommend to ask the drupal community about their experience. |
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| 19:38.02 | jhutchins_lt | Probably either a corrupt archive or an unsupported format. |
| 19:38.12 | jhutchins_lt | Likely the latter, but one that ark thinks is supported. |
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| 19:39.17 | NikLP | babilen: well I did that already and I have debian lenny on a headless box at this point, just trying to get a better overview :) |
| 19:39.41 | ompaul | cobra-the-joker: I take it you installed the encryption libs etc - if so and it is not offering a password I'd almost guess you have a damaged one. Don't go encrypting things unless you have a sure fire pass phrase you will never forget |
| 19:39.59 | babilen | NikLP: Sure |
| 19:40.19 | nick_h | in bash, what's the difference between `foo` and $(foo) ? |
| 19:40.27 | ompaul | cobra-the-joker: and if that fails I guess you have to search for how to use unrar on debian on your favourite search engine |
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| 19:40.31 | cobra-the-joker | ompaul, i dont think i installed the encryption libs ... i actually dont know them :D ... and yes i remember the pass very well |
| 19:40.32 | stew | nick_h: nothing until you try to nest them |
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| 19:40.54 | stew | cobra-the-joker: this is an archive you created? |
| 19:41.02 | ompaul | cobra-the-joker: well then I guess you need to install them ;-) search for encrypt rar and see how you go |
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| 19:41.04 | cobra-the-joker | stew yes |
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| 19:41.24 | stew | cobra-the-joker: why on earth are you using rar, when there are good archive formats that don't cost money? |
| 19:41.33 | jelly-home | nick_h: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/082 |
| 19:41.36 | cobra-the-joker | lol |
| 19:41.42 | stew | i'm serious |
| 19:41.43 | nick_h | jelly-home: thanks, mate. i was just about to ask for some docs to read |
| 19:41.52 | cobra-the-joker | stew , it has been archived on windows unfortunately |
| 19:41.54 | cobra-the-joker | :( |
| 19:42.19 | nick_h | stew: thanks |
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| 19:42.41 | jelly-home | ,versions rar |
| 19:42.42 | judd | Package: rar on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:3.8b3-1; squeeze/non-free: 2:3.9.3-1; sid/non-free: 2:4.0.b3-1; wheezy/non-free: 2:4.0.b3-1 |
| 19:42.50 | stew | cobra-the-joker: i'm sure there is archive software on windows that also doesn't cost money |
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| 19:43.15 | stew | and will give you fewer problems when trying to unarchive in linux |
| 19:43.17 | ompaul | stew: you can get bzip2 tar gzip and others for windows |
| 19:43.22 | cobra-the-joker | hmmm |
| 19:43.23 | jelly-home | at times, however, it's worth paying for decent software |
| 19:43.24 | stew | i'm not suprised |
| 19:43.27 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Certain content on usenet tends to be available only in RAR. |
| 19:43.34 | stew | jhutchins_lt: so? |
| 19:43.39 | cobra-the-joker | so i have to get windows to unrar that file :D |
| 19:43.39 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Not the kind of content the MPAA approves of. |
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| 19:43.43 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: that's usually warez |
| 19:43.48 | stew | jhutchins_lt: what does that have to do with anything? |
| 19:43.58 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Yes, or certain entertainment content. |
| 19:44.08 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: which is... also warez |
| 19:44.24 | jhutchins_lt | stew: You can't always dictate the archive format if you want certain things. |
| 19:44.38 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: there're so many free pron sites |
| 19:44.42 | jhutchins_lt | stew: The solutions are to either use proprietary tools or forgo the content. |
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| 19:44.53 | arghx | cobra-the-joker: you have to use the non-free unrar which supports the rar v3 algorithm |
| 19:45.05 | stew | jhutchins_lt: so are you saying that he is creating this archive in order to be placed on usenet? |
| 19:45.09 | arghx | cobra-the-joker: you can also try 7-zip. it might work |
| 19:45.12 | stew | jhutchins_lt: this is what he has to use to post to usenet? |
| 19:45.20 | jhutchins_lt | I find I'm happy without what can be had in the more restrictive formats - but I like knowing I can crack them if I want to. |
| 19:45.32 | cobra-the-joker | arghx, hmmmm ok |
| 19:45.35 | jelly-home | cobra-the-joker: you can try the shareware rar for linux, packaged in non-free repo |
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| 19:45.55 | jhutchins_lt | stew: It's just evolved as a commonly understood method, certainly not the only one. |
| 19:46.07 | cobra-the-joker | jelly-home , you mean the unrar package ( i got it from non-free ) |
| 19:46.11 | arghx | jhutchins_lt: unrar is "freeware". only the package costs. |
| 19:46.11 | jelly-home | cobra-the-joker: no. |
| 19:46.20 | jelly-home | cobra-the-joker: I mean "rar". |
| 19:46.22 | stew | cobra-the-joker: this is usenet related? |
| 19:46.24 | cobra-the-joker | oh ok |
| 19:46.28 | jhutchins_lt | stew: rar deals well with fragmenting a large file like an iso image into a lot of small archives that encode easily. |
| 19:46.35 | cobra-the-joker | stew , no ... i think |
| 19:46.39 | stew | jhutchins_lt: thanks, i don t give a shit |
| 19:46.53 | jelly-home | cobra-the-joker: rar has both archiving and dearchiving modes. |
| 19:47.03 | jhutchins_lt | stew: You asked. |
| 19:47.05 | cobra-the-joker | jelly-home, yep found it |
| 19:47.06 | brah | What repos should Squeeze use? I can't install openoffice.org |
| 19:47.17 | stew | jhutchins_lt: wtf does this have to do with usenet? |
| 19:47.34 | stew | jhutchins_lt: you are just pretending this has something to do with usenet when you actually have no idea |
| 19:47.57 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions openoffice.org |
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| 19:47.58 | judd | Package: openoffice.org on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny11; lenny-security: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny12; lenny-backports: 1:3.2.1-11+squeeze2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:3.2.1-11+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 1:3.2.1-11+squeeze4; sid: 1:3.4.0~ooo340m1-5; wheezy: 1:3.4.0~ooo340m1-5 |
| 19:48.11 | jhutchins_lt | stew: I was using usenet as an example. |
| 19:50.25 | brah | jhutchins_lt: Sure it is there, but I don't seem to have 'install' (not update) repos set, because I installed off a CD. |
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| 19:56.00 | jhutchins_lt | !sources.list |
| 19:56.01 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 19:56.32 | brah | I had to add the squeeze repo. I didn't have one. |
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| 19:57.01 | jhutchins_lt | brah: I think the preferred form is http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org, where <cc> is your country code |
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| 19:57.45 | simonlnu | the cdn works reliably now, fyi |
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| 20:04.49 | jhutchins_lt | simonlnu: Is that the geo-ip one? |
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| 20:07.08 | hellobob | hi I installed a daily build of debian wheezy KDE. When I boot, I cannot enter KDE, all I see is the bash. I can log in as root or as user and the status message says, that kdm is already started, but I cannot see it. what can I do, to get kde started? |
| 20:07.57 | simonlnu | yeh |
| 20:08.00 | arghx | hellobob: ctrl+alt+f7 or f8 |
| 20:08.27 | cobra-the-joker | ok to just let you know ... every thing failed in unpacking that file ... except 'unp' utility ... which worked from the command line |
| 20:08.47 | valdyn | cobra-the-joker: unp uses something else that ought to work too |
| 20:08.54 | valdyn | cobra-the-joker: its just a wrapper |
| 20:09.07 | cobra-the-joker | valdyn, it didnt install any dependency with it |
| 20:09.31 | valdyn | cobra-the-joker: so that tool was already there |
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| 20:09.55 | cobra-the-joker | valdyn, maybe .... i installed rar , unrar |
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| 20:12.33 | hellobob | arghx no reaction |
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| 20:13.10 | arghx | hellobob: run startx |
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| 20:13.57 | hellobob | as root? |
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| 20:14.37 | frigo | so when i install a .deb, how do i know where the software was installed ? |
| 20:14.50 | arghx | frigo: dpkg -L <package name> |
| 20:14.58 | arghx | hellobob: as normal user |
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| 20:15.40 | hellobob | arghx -bash: command not found |
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| 20:16.18 | arghx | hellobob: when you tried to run "startx"? |
| 20:16.34 | frigo | arghx: thanks |
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| 20:17.05 | cccc828 | hellobob: you could try startkde (I think it should be shipped with any kde package) |
| 20:17.20 | hellobob | arghx yes |
| 20:17.29 | frigo | so, i found it, but it wont start gtk gives a warning cannot open display 0.0, I always get this when i install software thru the terminal but never via synaptic |
| 20:17.43 | arghx | hellobob: install xorg |
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| 20:18.03 | hellobob | cccc828 same message |
| 20:18.04 | arghx | fireba11: cause X is not running or you are still root when starting it |
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| 20:18.11 | NikLP_ | oops... |
| 20:18.13 | NikLP_ | thanks very much for your input, guys. @ corey jordanm babilen stew ZekeS brah nag ompaul :) |
| 20:18.35 | brah | Do you happen to be writing an essay? |
| 20:18.45 | frigo | arghx: i dont know if that was directed to me, but yes, it was because i was root |
| 20:18.57 | frigo | thanks! |
| 20:19.18 | hellobob | arghx package cannot be found (apt-get install xorg) |
| 20:19.27 | cccc828 | hellobob, you said you get a message that kdm is running - did you verify that with ps -A | grep kdm? |
| 20:19.45 | arghx | hellobob: then you need to fix your sources.list /msg dpkg wheezy sources.list |
| 20:20.14 | arghx | hellobob: doesn't exist. use /msg dpkg squeeze sources.list but keep in mind you run wheezy, not squeeze |
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| 20:21.04 | hellobob | arghx bash: /msg: file or directory not found |
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| 20:21.29 | arghx | hellobob: /msg would be a command inside your irc client. dpkg is a bot in here |
| 20:21.30 | hellobob | cccc828 it says 1697 ? 00:00:00 kdm |
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| 20:22.03 | hellobob | arghx my sources list only contains the install cd |
| 20:22.14 | cccc828 | mmh so kdm is really running. did you try Crtl+alt+F7 or F8? |
| 20:22.16 | arghx | hellobob: and that's bad |
| 20:22.39 | hellobob | arghx all I have is wlan, no way to connect to a server |
| 20:23.10 | arghx | hellobob: and you can't use your wlan? what wlan chip? |
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| 20:23.12 | hellobob | cccc828 yes, did not work |
| 20:23.16 | arghx | hellobob: you are online after all |
| 20:23.33 | hellobob | ralink rt28xx |
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| 20:23.42 | hellobob | arghx with my notebook |
| 20:23.47 | arghx | !rt2800pci |
| 20:23.50 | dpkg | Ralink 802.11n PCI chipsets (RT2760, RT2790, RT2860, RT2880, RT2890, RT3060, RT3062, RT3090, RT3091, RT3092, RT3390, RT3562, RT3592, RT5390) are supported by the rt2x00 project's rt2800pci driver, introduced in Linux 2.6.33. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/rt2800pci |
| 20:24.07 | philstar | what would I use to overwrite debian over the linux install that is running at the time? is this sth that deboostrap will do? |
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| 20:24.16 | arghx | hellobob: you don't want to run debian testing without an internet connection? |
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| 20:24.37 | arghx | philstar: technically yes but don't do it |
| 20:24.53 | jordanm | philstar: overwritting an install while it is running will not result like you would expect |
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| 20:25.16 | jordanm | philstar: I would expect the box the to crash before debootstrap completes |
| 20:25.21 | hellobob | arghx I want to run it with internet connection, but thought about setting wlan up with kde network manager |
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| 20:26.52 | philstar | arghx,jordanm: maybe I'll backtrack a bit: what I'm trying to end up with is a loopbacked wubi-like install with debian inside, as I don't have any spare partitions for linux |
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| 20:27.22 | arghx | philstar: why are you lacking partitions? |
| 20:27.41 | philstar | arghx: because the laptop vendor decided to install various recovery things on this box |
| 20:28.00 | philstar | they're useless but I don't want to mess with them |
| 20:28.04 | arghx | use gparted |
| 20:28.13 | somiaj | you can install linux on extended partitions. |
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| 20:28.48 | philstar | somiaj: my understanding is that in order to have extended partitions, the fourth partition needs to still be available |
| 20:28.55 | philstar | fourth primary, that is |
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| 20:29.17 | hellobob | arghx this is what syslog says: kdm: X server "/usr/bin/X" cannot be executed, X server for display :0 cannot be started, session disabled, Cannot lock pid file /var/run/kdm.pid, another sdm is running |
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| 20:29.40 | somiaj | philstar: correct, you'll have to convert one of your primaries into an extended. |
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| 20:31.25 | philstar | somiaj: that's what I was hoping to avoid. I had ubuntu running that way for a while (wubi->loopbacked file containing linux system, on ntfs partition) but I really would rather have debian; for some reason, nobody's put any energy into making this work |
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| 20:33.13 | philstar | I've seen glimpses of debian being able to do this, in principle, but doing a dist-upgrade to debian from ubuntu turned out not to report all of the errors that presumably would have needed taking care of |
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| 20:34.49 | arghx | philstar: for it to work you need a specially crafter initrd. debian doesn't have this. no way |
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| 20:35.04 | somiaj | philstar: there is enough differences in it you will want a fresh install. I'd suggest doing the work from a live cd. |
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| 20:35.23 | philstar | arghx: thanks, that was actually helpful :) |
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| 20:39.34 | philstar | arghx: okay, so your intuition says that ubuntu have patched initramfs-tools? |
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| 20:41.04 | arghx | no intuition. I know it. and I didn't say they patched the tools. I said you need a special initrd which first mounts the ntfs, then mounts the file inside that that is your linux install via loopback |
| 20:41.32 | arghx | and debian initrd just doesn't do this. hence it won't work. you could of course boot the ubuntu kernel but at that time no one here would support you anymore |
| 20:42.09 | onorua | why don't try to create your own initrd with preloaded ntfs module? |
| 20:42.25 | philstar | onorua: more detail pls? |
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| 20:43.58 | onorua | Take your existing initrd (assuming you have one), un-compress it, and un-cpio-archive it. Add the new ingredients, and re-cpio-archive and compress it. You will have to have cpio, and gzip. gzip needs the file to have to extension '.zip', so you have to rename it before un-compressing it. Drivers probably need to go in the /lib/modulesyourkernelversion/... tree. |
| 20:44.41 | philstar | onorua, that sounds like fun, I'll try that |
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| 20:52.20 | smhar | now with the gnome-shell, how to change enable multiple keyboard layouts? |
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| 20:54.47 | aykut_yaman | Hi |
| 20:56.44 | aykut_yaman | I have a question regarding keyboard, can anybody give me a hand, please? |
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| 20:58.01 | nkuttler | !tell aykut_yaman about ask |
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| 21:01.43 | jhutchins_lt | aykut_yaman: Only if you tell us what the question is. |
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| 21:02.21 | aykut_yaman | I would like to map my keyboard like this: 'Alt-\ ' for right arrow 'Alt-;' for left arrow etc. I don't know where to put my hands(I think xmodmap is not the right place). thank you |
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| 21:05.37 | hellobob | installing without network connection, I was unable to choose a mirror, is there a way to do it from the shell? |
| 21:05.48 | jordanm | !tell hellobob about sources |
| 21:06.31 | nkuttler | !tell aykut_yaman about keymap |
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| 21:07.16 | onorua | try to edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:07.16 | hellobob | jordanm I know how sources.list works, I am looking for a software tool, which allows me to choose a mirror, which is added automatically to sources.list |
| 21:07.41 | nkuttler | !tell hellobob about apt-spy |
| 21:07.42 | cobra-the-joker | any one know of a MS oneNote alternative ? |
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| 21:07.53 | reber | hi |
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| 21:08.09 | nkuttler | hellobob: oh, never mind.. you want to select the mirror |
| 21:08.20 | nkuttler | hellobob: i think you're looking for an editor |
| 21:08.29 | aykut_yaman | thank you nkuttler |
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| 21:08.58 | onorua | !tell cobra-the-joker about KeepNote |
| 21:09.08 | sta19 | Problem with the deb-multimedia repo? Squeeze. On update get 104 (server reset) error after 3 of 8 files. ? |
| 21:09.33 | cobra-the-joker | onorua, ok |
| 21:09.41 | hellobob | nkuttler I am looking for a program which lists several mirrors and I can choose one, which is then added to sources list automatically, basically the same way you are asked at installation |
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| 21:13.19 | stew | hellobob: this program no longer exists |
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| 21:16.15 | reber | is it possible to debootstrap from debian itself ? (i mean without any chroot) |
| 21:17.06 | reber | to recover a bad system |
| 21:17.18 | hellobob | debian source list generator and a usb stick did the job |
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| 21:18.20 | jhutchins_lt | reber: How was the bad system achieved in the first place? |
| 21:18.28 | jelly-home | !geo sources.list |
| 21:18.28 | dpkg | To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, you can use a Geo-IP service from cdn.debian.net. An example line for your sources.list is "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main". See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror for more information, or ask me about <sources.list>. Don't use this with Google DNS or similar. |
| 21:18.57 | jelly-home | hellobob: that cdn.debian.net might or might not work out for you |
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| 21:19.21 | jelly-home | next time. |
| 21:19.26 | jhutchins_lt | hellobob: There are also scripts that will test a list of mirrors and generate a sources.list for you, but usually just using geo-ip works fine. |
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| 21:19.41 | jhutchins_lt | Not sure why Debian doesn't seem plagued by the load problems other distros have. |
| 21:20.10 | jhutchins_lt | Of course, we don't have a "broken or not every six months" release policy either. |
| 21:20.16 | hellobob | jhutchins_lt it is those scripts I have been looking for all the time |
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| 21:21.03 | reber | jhutchin1_lt, ha |
| 21:21.06 | reber | good question |
| 21:21.34 | jhutchins_lt | !netselect |
| 21:21.35 | dpkg | netselect takes a list of servers and uses multiple pings and traceroutes to figure out which one has the best connectivity relative to you. See also <netselect-apt>. |
| 21:22.00 | reber | mnhum, hd failures |
| 21:22.01 | hellobob | thanks |
| 21:22.13 | reber | !debootstrap |
| 21:22.13 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 21:23.02 | smhar | now with the gnome-shell, how to change enable multiple keyboard layouts? |
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| 21:27.10 | jhutchins_lt | smhar: You will probably get better answers in #debian-next on oftc.net |
| 21:27.27 | jhutchins_lt | smhar: This is primarily support for stable, although some of us know a little about testing or sid. |
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| 21:31.11 | faroscope | how do i enable 256 colors in urxvt in wheezy? |
| 21:32.17 | faroscope | never mind it looks like its actually a seperate package! |
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| 21:37.06 | iateadonut | i've pinged domain.com and it tells me it's at ipaddress1. however, when i ssh into a server and ping domain.com, it tells me it's at ipaddress2 - how do i clear my dns cache on my computer so i can ping it from this box and have it tell me it's at ipaddress2? |
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| 21:37.12 | iateadonut | (they just changed the dns servers) |
| 21:38.16 | Dulak | iateadonut: unless you are pointing to your own dns server that you can restart, you are stuck with the cache until it expires the old record |
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| 21:41.10 | Dulak | you could add the host to /etc/hosts to force it to resolve to the new ip, as a temporary fix, but don't forget to remove it once the cached record expires |
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| 22:00.06 | seion | when i use module assist and what not to install the nvidia drivers, does it install 64bit libs or 32bit libs? Im using debian squeeze 64bit |
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| 22:01.10 | fr3nk | from a UK vps or dedicated can someone traceroute 195.66.226.182 and msg the last few hops for me pls? |
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| 22:02.10 | blackshirt | fr3nk: wait |
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| 22:03.13 | rawsted | are the settings made by hdparm preserved between power cycles? |
| 22:03.21 | jhutchins_lt | fr3nk: There are plenty of on-line traceroute utils. |
| 22:03.33 | blackshirt | fr3nk: i think very slow |
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| 22:04.23 | jhutchins_lt | fr3nk: They're all linx.net |
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| 22:04.50 | jhutchins_lt | rawsted: Set something, reboot, check it. |
| 22:04.52 | fr3nk | jhutchin1_lt: thx i'm googling em |
| 22:05.00 | fr3nk | blackshirt: ok, waitin |
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| 22:07.40 | fr3nk | jhutchin1_lt: i have data from linx.net needs a diff one, and found one already. |
| 22:07.47 | fr3nk | strange result.. |
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| 22:09.10 | seion | when i use module assist and what not to install the nvidia drivers, does it install 64bit libs or 32bit libs? Im using debian squeeze 64bit |
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| 22:11.05 | fr3nk | rawsted: my hitachi doesnt remember its -S setting |
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| 22:18.30 | nick_h | when writing an init-script and starting the desired program with start-stop-daemon, if the program doesn't send itself to the background, how should the "start" command be used? |
| 22:19.25 | daemonkeeper | nick_h: s-s-d has a background switch |
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| 22:25.16 | karmatronic | hasnt been here for quite a longtime |
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| 22:26.33 | karmatronic | did i loose something relevant? |
| 22:26.34 | karmatronic | !news |
| 22:26.52 | karmatronic | !info |
| 22:28.11 | jhutchins_lt | What's the best way to get the contents of a report file into the email of a cron job? |
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| 22:32.28 | BitPuffin | hey, is there a command that will show me all of my hard drives, their size and their partitions (and the partition size) ? |
| 22:33.31 | ChrisPartridge | BitPuffin: fdisk -l ? |
| 22:33.50 | BitPuffin | commando didn't exist? |
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| 22:35.14 | zykotick9 | BitPuffin, become root or use sudo perhaps |
| 22:35.49 | BitPuffin | that worked |
| 22:35.50 | BitPuffin | thanks |
| 22:36.34 | BitPuffin | what version of grub comes with debian? |
| 22:37.06 | BitPuffin | because I can't find GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 anywhere |
| 22:38.01 | zykotick9 | /etc/default/grub (assuming grub2) |
| 22:38.58 | BitPuffin | it's not there |
| 22:39.07 | BitPuffin | I guess that's a good thing since I'm supposed to comment it out |
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| 22:40.27 | jimcooncat | I've found nothing on the bug I'm dealing with, phpbb3 uses the "mail" command for registration emails, but the "from" address isn't being used, it's blank. What's the recommended way to request to get this bug looked at? |
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| 22:41.14 | jimcooncat | Do I email the maintainer directly, or is there a smarter process? |
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| 22:43.42 | jimcooncat | reportbug? |
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| 23:13.28 | nick_h | daemonkeeper: yeah, i saw the --background option, but the manpage says that it can't determine the exit status if the program fails to execute, which is worrying |
| 23:13.59 | daemonkeeper | nick_h: Get over it, or implement a proper daemonize function in your program ;) |
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| 23:14.40 | nick_h | daemonkeeper: hahah. well, it's not my program, unfortunately |
| 23:15.21 | nick_h | daemonkeeper: i guess i could use --background, sleep for 1 or 2 seconds, then just call the "status" function |
| 23:15.39 | daemonkeeper | The status function relies on a proper PIDFILE handling |
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| 23:16.37 | nick_h | daemonkeeper: is --background incompatible with --make-pidfile ? |
| 23:16.45 | kouvas | hello to all |
| 23:16.45 | daemonkeeper | No |
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| 23:16.53 | jhutchins_lt | nick_h: If a program fails to launch at all for some reason it often doesn't log anything. |
| 23:16.53 | kouvas | i have a problem with ati vga card |
| 23:16.59 | kouvas | can someone help? |
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| 23:17.16 | jhutchins_lt | nick_h: I just had one that was objecting to the path I was using in a batch file, had to run it directly before I got the error message. |
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| 23:17.31 | nick_h | kouvas: just ask your question. if someone can help, they'll reply |
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| 23:18.23 | jhutchins_lt | nick_h: Not the greatest design, the actual code and the wrapper that launches it have the same name but the wrapper is in the path. |
| 23:18.36 | kouvas | i have Radeon Mobility X800XT vga card and i cant find the right drives to download and install on my laptop |
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| 23:19.07 | kouvas | where i have to go to find the ati catalyst or something that will make my card work 100% |
| 23:19.54 | nick_h | jhutchins_lt: yeah, it seems it's a real pain in the arse |
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| 23:20.11 | nick_h | (if the program doesn't background itself automatically) |
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| 23:20.48 | jhutchins_lt | nick_h: If it's a half-way decent project that listens to feedback, let them know. One of the benefits of taking a project open-source is the people can tell you when you're doing something stuipd. |
| 23:21.42 | jhutchins_lt | One of the things I see is programs that run their own daemon strictly as a scheduler when both Linux and Windows have perfectly good schedulers already running. |
| 23:22.24 | jhutchins_lt | cron compatibility is another thing. Being able to supress progress bars and such. |
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| 23:24.20 | nick_h | jhutchins_lt: yeah, quite true re: FOSS |
| 23:24.27 | nick_h | or i can just fix it myself if i have the time |
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| 23:28.48 | nick_h | daemonkeeper: when using --background, where does the program's output go to? |
| 23:29.06 | daemonkeeper | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.10 | nick_h | ah |
| 23:29.17 | nick_h | is there a way to redirect it to a log file with s-s-d ? |
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| 23:34.19 | MimeNarrator | has there been any discussion about using scrypt (http://www.tarsnap.com/scrypt.html) for password authentication wih Debian in the future? |
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| 23:40.31 | jhutchins_lt | nick_h: s-s-d? |
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| 23:51.08 | kery_ | hello all. I want to know how to apply this patch -> http://lwn.net/Articles/426883/ ? |
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| 23:51.54 | se7 | Ok so I wonder, why is Debian using such a non-standard (1 pixel) VGA font for the console? |
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