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| 00:05.40 | quotemstr | jelly-home: One example on that page does. |
| 00:05.51 | jelly-home | ha |
| 00:05.56 | magyar | hi is there a way to rebuild "/var/lib/dpkg/status" ? |
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| 00:06.49 | squisher | magyar, apt-get update? |
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| 00:07.06 | jelly-home | magyar: there are backups in /var/backups |
| 00:07.22 | magyar | jelly-home: both of them are hosed |
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| 00:07.34 | jelly-home | fuckit, reinstall |
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| 00:07.45 | squisher | magyar, oops, disregard my advice :-\ |
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| 00:08.07 | jelly-home | magyar: and I guess you don't have proper backups either? |
| 00:08.20 | magyar | yeap |
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| 00:08.28 | magyar | that sucks |
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| 00:08.50 | jelly-home | you got that right |
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| 00:09.19 | magyar | jelly-home: what do i do? |
| 00:09.25 | jelly-home | reinstall. |
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| 00:09.38 | magyar | apt-get seems to want me to install 90 some packages |
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| 00:09.50 | jelly-home | reinstall the system anew, I mean |
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| 00:09.54 | jelly-home | migrate data. |
| 00:10.04 | magyar | shiat |
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| 00:11.16 | jelly-home | you could theoretically get a partial list of packages from several sources; directories in /usr/share/doc, logs of dpkg/apt/aptiude if they exist, probably smoething else |
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| 00:12.17 | jelly-home | but the safest thing to do is reinstall. And put a backup/restore system in place next time |
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| 00:13.45 | magyar | thanks jelly-home |
| 00:13.53 | jelly-home | !very fubar status file |
| 00:13.54 | dpkg | ls /usr/share/doc | grep -v [A-Z] | grep -v '^texmf$' | grep -v '^debian$' |awk '{print $1 " install"}' |dpkg --set-selections then: # dselect --expert, or use this when all your backups of dpkg's status files are corrupt, or try the status file(s) in /var/backups first |
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| 00:14.17 | jelly-home | that factoid is... very old. |
| 00:14.53 | jelly-home | would not recommend usage of dselect |
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| 00:15.46 | jelly-home | magyar: do you know exactly how did you hose both /var/lib/dpkg/status* and /var/backups/dpkg-status* |
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| 00:16.48 | squisher | wow, but dselect is still available. Impressive. |
| 00:16.59 | jelly-home | magyar: if you do, you might have a way to restore them from disk using some sort of file recovery ("undelete") tool |
| 00:17.00 | magyar | jelly-home: my iceweasel is f-ed so i removed iceweasel and xluruner. Aptitude crashed and corruption |
| 00:17.15 | jelly-home | magyar: how did that affect /var/backups/ ? |
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| 00:18.20 | magyar | jelly-home: i still have /var/backups |
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| 00:18.34 | jelly-home | magyar: so why did you say both places were hosed? |
| 00:18.48 | jelly-home | magyar: use a backup copy from /var/backups/dpkg.status* then |
| 00:18.55 | magyar | jelly-home: hmm, i missread |
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| 00:20.08 | yagoo | magyar, you sound sidful |
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| 00:21.27 | magyar | jelly-home: supper, it works again. Thank you for your input. A case of Heineken is on me -_- |
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| 00:24.11 | jelly-home | cheers |
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| 00:26.41 | magyar | iceweasel still dead, i installed from mozilla.debian.net "release" on squeeze but when I launch it I get "WARNING: Application calling GLX 1.3 function "glXCreatePixmap" when GLX 1.3 is not supported! This is an application bug!" "failed to create drawable" |
| 00:27.08 | magyar | iceweasel (8.0-3~bpo60+1) |
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| 00:28.23 | jhutchins_lt | magyar: Sounds like something might be quite right with your video driver. |
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| 00:29.25 | magyar | jhutchins_lt: radeon X1900 |
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| 00:31.00 | jhutchins_lt | magyar: Yeah, I'd check the free driver and look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors. |
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| 00:31.28 | jhutchins_lt | magyar: I don't know if there are elements of the proprietary drivers that might need to be updated. |
| 00:31.59 | jhutchins_lt | magyar: Error message sounds like firefox is trying to create video objects directly. |
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| 00:32.34 | jhutchins_lt | magyar: Also, obviously, you need to check the (non-Stable) advance release of firefox against earlier more stable releases. |
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| 00:33.36 | zykotick9 | magyar, i'm running the same m.d.n iceweasel version on squeeze successfully (non ATI system) |
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| 00:34.23 | magyar | I'll just revert to stable 3.x iceweasel for now |
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| 00:34.32 | magyar | that seems to work |
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| 00:37.19 | yagoo | anyone knows if debian is following suit of ubuntu's upstart-like system? (eg-- is NetworkManager going to replace the traditional ifupdown scripts?) |
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| 00:42.13 | babilen | yagoo: That are unrelated issues and Debian will not adopt upstart. (maybe systemd, *maybe*) |
| 00:42.29 | raz0 | hi |
| 00:42.32 | babilen | yagoo: At least that is not planned or under consideration. |
| 00:43.16 | sinapsi | does anybody know how to resolve the problem Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "pk-gtk-module" |
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| 00:44.27 | babilen | sinapsi: As in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=647447 ? |
| 00:45.26 | babilen | sinapsi: Or rather: #642910 -- Which version of Debian do you use? |
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| 00:57.42 | hoverbear | cheers for debian. |
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| 00:58.54 | hoverbear | Introducing a friend to linux tomorrow, thinking debian will be best for him since he plans on using it on embedded CPU's eventually (eg robotics)... I'm normally a funtoo user but I'll be moving to debian as well... Looking forward too it :) |
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| 00:59.59 | nicksb | hugs his debian'ed lappy |
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| 01:01.04 | hoverbear | nicksb: :) Are you liking it? (Also, question! Does laptop-mode-tools automatically pull in HAL... even though hal is deprecated now?) |
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| 01:03.21 | multi_io2 | is there a way to log all the outputs of the /etc/rc*.d/* scripts during bootup to a file? |
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| 01:05.47 | cthuluh | has heard about boot.log |
| 01:06.02 | babilen | !tell multi_io2 -about bootlogd |
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| 01:10.08 | multi_io2 | thanks, I'll try that |
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| 01:11.40 | hoverbear | Anyone do any msp430 development with debian? |
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| 01:13.08 | cesurasean | anyone use pacemaker for their load balancer? |
| 01:13.17 | cesurasean | the docs are lovely. lol |
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| 01:13.36 | squisher | linuxha.org |
| 01:13.50 | squisher | there's some somewhat decent stuff. But yeah, in general the docs do suck |
| 01:14.13 | cesurasean | I imagine the people who build this stuff are in a hurry. heh. |
| 01:14.20 | cesurasean | no tech writers either |
| 01:15.26 | squisher | nah, the backing companies just want to sell support contracts ;-) |
| 01:15.43 | cesurasean | ha. |
| 01:15.51 | cesurasean | I know the feeling, and don't blame them. |
| 01:16.15 | cesurasean | man has to eat somehow. |
| 01:17.13 | cesurasean | I upgraded my webserver to latest debian squeeze other day. Everything seems to be ok. I'll report if anything is broken.... |
| 01:17.21 | cesurasean | at least my webpages aren't broken. heh. |
| 01:17.54 | cesurasean | seemed to upgrade everything on the system, nearly. heh. |
| 01:18.03 | cesurasean | bye bye hackers. |
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| 01:19.37 | cesurasean | squisher, you want to buy a load balancer from me when im finished? heh. |
| 01:19.44 | cesurasean | it will work flawless. :P |
| 01:20.10 | cesurasean | so far haproxy, stunnel, monit, heartbeat, and pacemaker. |
| 01:20.44 | cesurasean | i wish someone would build an app that did all of this in 1 lol |
| 01:20.50 | cesurasean | with web interface for it |
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| 01:21.02 | cesurasean | and did SMS to your phone, and all sorts of goodies. |
| 01:21.16 | cesurasean | called your mother when a server was down. |
| 01:21.43 | wad | I just moved my Debian server, and now it's in a new timezone. What's the trick for changing it to the right timezone? |
| 01:21.57 | cesurasean | wad, google it |
| 01:22.00 | wad | ok |
| 01:22.05 | cesurasean | sure ull find the answer there |
| 01:22.15 | cesurasean | some easy command lol |
| 01:22.36 | cesurasean | wad, if u cant find it then come back here... |
| 01:22.47 | wad | :) |
| 01:23.54 | cesurasean | had one guy call me from another city over, 1 1/2 hour away one time cause of debian website list, and i ended up turning him to IRC. hehehehe. |
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| 01:24.04 | cesurasean | didn't want to drive that far to help the poor guy. |
| 01:24.32 | cesurasean | told him debian was the BEST! of course.... :) |
| 01:24.52 | cesurasean | *wonders if he made it to IRC* |
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| 01:25.30 | babilen | wad: "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" |
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| 01:25.40 | wad | not just tzselect? |
| 01:25.56 | cesurasean | select probably just reselects the timezone |
| 01:26.07 | wad | That's what I want, rigjt |
| 01:26.10 | wad | right? |
| 01:26.11 | cesurasean | yes |
| 01:26.12 | wad | I just moved the server to a different state. |
| 01:26.16 | cesurasean | yeah |
| 01:26.18 | cesurasean | do select |
| 01:26.26 | babilen | wad: You want "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" |
| 01:26.29 | wad | I just did that. |
| 01:26.36 | cesurasean | then try data |
| 01:26.39 | wad | babilen, ah, that will make it permanent. |
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| 01:26.41 | wad | Right? |
| 01:26.54 | babilen | wad: I would suggest to read tzselect's manpage :) |
| 01:27.03 | cesurasean | wad, not many people change timezones. :P |
| 01:27.16 | babilen | wad: And yes, that makes a permanent change. (well, at least until you change it again) |
| 01:27.21 | wad | ok |
| 01:27.21 | babilen | cesurasean: No? |
| 01:27.22 | nechayev | hey noob question...i boot to tty1, run xinit, play something with sound, no sound in x, but there is in tty1.....any help would be much appreciated |
| 01:27.30 | cesurasean | babilen, i doubt it. |
| 01:27.36 | cesurasean | I've never done it. |
| 01:27.51 | cesurasean | traveling servers? heh. |
| 01:27.56 | wad | Okay, I think I've got it fixed now. |
| 01:28.06 | wad | This is probably going to confuses some processes. |
| 01:28.14 | cesurasean | yeah, reboot |
| 01:28.34 | babilen | cesurasean: Debian is not only used on blades hidden in some rack ;) -- But well, this is getting off-topic. |
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| 01:28.51 | wad | Reboot in progress. |
| 01:28.56 | cesurasean | babilen, true. |
| 01:29.01 | cesurasean | that's all I use it for though. |
| 01:29.21 | cesurasean | I wish someone would spearhead debian having a better GUI... |
| 01:29.31 | cesurasean | would be great. maybe beat out ubuntu. heheheh. |
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| 01:29.48 | babilen | cesurasean: I don't quite follow |
| 01:30.11 | wad | Oh, this isn't a desktop system. It's my webserver, email server, etc. |
| 01:30.21 | wad | It lives in my house with me. :) |
| 01:30.27 | wad | I just moved to California, and it came with me. |
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| 01:31.27 | wad | It runs headless. Doesn't even have X installed on it. No monitor or keyboard. I have to heist one from a different computer if I can't ssh into it for some reason. |
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| 01:43.48 | hoverbear | wad: Heh. :) |
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| 01:46.19 | hoverbear | wad: Trying to decide between openBSD, debian, or funtoo for my dev machine. :S |
| 01:46.38 | mmv | wtf is funtoo |
| 01:46.47 | babilen | !funtoo |
| 01:46.50 | hoverbear | Gentoo derivative started by Daniel Robbins |
| 01:47.02 | babilen | mmv: ^^^ and not on-topic here ;) |
| 01:47.22 | jelly-home | dpkg, funtoo is a <Gentoo> derivative started by Daniel Robbins |
| 01:47.23 | dpkg | okay, jelly-home |
| 01:47.44 | wad | hoverbear, at risk of getting hated in this channel, I'd go with Ubuntu. It's what I use on mine. |
| 01:47.54 | wad | Best support. |
| 01:48.09 | mmv | i find ubuntu to have horrible support, no one knows what they're doing |
| 01:48.11 | jelly-home | hey, whatewver works for you |
| 01:48.23 | hoverbear | wad: Worst support in my opinion. |
| 01:48.37 | nechayev | sabayon ftw *ducks* |
| 01:48.50 | jelly-home | \_o< \_o< |
| 01:49.07 | hoverbear | Sabayon installer took 15 minutes to boot, I stopped there. |
| 01:49.22 | hoverbear | (The installer not the live enviroment.) |
| 01:49.47 | mmv | amazing |
| 01:49.56 | nechayev | really? from boot to install took me about 40 mins.....on a netbook :S |
| 01:50.09 | babilen | recommends #debian-offtopic |
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| 01:51.01 | goose | can someone recommend me a program to watch tv through my pci tuner card? |
| 01:51.19 | nechayev | mythtv |
| 01:51.20 | goose | I use windows media center in win7, but I want to be able to watch tv while booted in linux too |
| 01:52.07 | MilkGoneBad | someone has a dedicated dev machine and they ask what distro to use in #debian? wow. |
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| 01:53.33 | goose | nechayev, is mythtv squeeze-capable? I read on their wiki it was etch compatible, but nothing about anything else |
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| 02:15.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i keep getting this error with some software floola, ./FloolaDesktop: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 02:15.57 | JordiGH | Eryn_1983_FL: Binary-only distribution, isn't it? It's incorrectly linked. |
| 02:17.01 | JordiGH | Eryn_1983_FL: If you do have that library somewhere, you can use LD_LIBRARY_PATH to tell the program where to find it. |
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| 02:20.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | JordiGH: well i made a symbolic link to it in /usr/lib/ and /usr/lib32 |
| 02:20.21 | Eryn_1983_FL | JordiGH: that seedmed to help it find it but its the wrong version 64bit instead of 32 |
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| 02:20.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | JordiGH: i will use the ipod version heh |
| 02:20.44 | JordiGH | The what? |
| 02:21.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | JordiGH: they got another version that just runs off the ipod lol |
| 02:21.21 | JordiGH | lol? |
| 02:21.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | JordiGH: its Floola ipod software |
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| 02:23.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | JordiGH: BAH same problem. |
| 02:23.51 | JordiGH | Eryn_1983_FL: The solution is to demand more of this: http://jordi.platinum.linux.pl/piccies/freedom.jpg |
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| 02:26.51 | pbase | is anyone else facing a hang problem when suspending on wheezy? gnome 3 |
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| 02:30.59 | pbase | #debian-next needs an invitation to join.. if I request someone here to invite me there, then it doesnot remain an invitation... if it requires someone to ask an invitation it doesn't remain an invitation.. rather it should be a request to join.. nonetheless. can I request to join #debian-next |
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| 02:33.02 | babilen | pbase: #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) not here on freenode |
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| 02:36.59 | pbase | babilen: thanks.. will I need to register a new account there to join? |
| 02:37.24 | babilen | no |
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| 02:43.05 | gueroon | how to set mouse cursor size in kde? |
| 02:43.39 | iluminator101 | how do you view clear output history in terminal i do not mean history i mean the screen output history |
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| 02:48.38 | ToHellWithGA | debian by default exceed's my (very old) monitor's range |
| 02:48.46 | ToHellWithGA | s/ceed's/ceeds/ |
| 02:49.03 | ToHellWithGA | is it possible to limit the mode which the init script switches to? |
| 02:49.07 | ToHellWithGA | this is well before x starts |
| 02:49.46 | ToHellWithGA | i can set a vga= mode in grub, but this is seemingly overridden during init |
| 02:50.34 | babilen | ToHellWithGA: Read " info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'" and configure the resolution you want in /etc/default/grub |
| 02:50.42 | babilen | ToHellWithGA: You can also disable kms |
| 02:50.55 | babilen | !tell ToHellWithGA -about kms |
| 02:51.04 | ToHellWithGA | babilen: as much as i would like to do that, i need to directly edit a file from windows to get this fixed |
| 02:51.24 | ToHellWithGA | i can't get so far as logging into a console because the resolution is switched *during init* |
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| 02:51.35 | Justin | ToHellWithGA: you can boot with init=/bin/sh |
| 02:51.38 | babilen | ToHellWithGA: Then edit /etc/default/grub -- You are after GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480 |
| 02:51.56 | ToHellWithGA | babilen: that works for grub, but is overridden later |
| 02:52.19 | ToHellWithGA | i get about a dozen lines of what looks like normal init stuff before my screen blanks and whines about being out of range |
| 02:52.31 | babilen | ToHellWithGA: Note that you have to create the grub configuration, so Justin's approach is most likely what you want. Or chroot into the system from the installer CDs or a live cd |
| 02:53.09 | babilen | ToHellWithGA: You could also boot with nomodeset and figure it out from there (probably the best approach) |
| 02:53.27 | babilen | ToHellWithGA: Run "update-grub" after making adjustments to /etc/default/grub |
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| 02:54.46 | ToHellWithGA | i changed the -kms file to "modeset=0" |
| 02:55.02 | ToHellWithGA | brb, gotta disconnect from this ssh session to reboot and test |
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| 03:00.57 | ToHellWithGA | Justin, babilen: thanks guys, the modeset fix worked for me |
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| 03:01.33 | ToHellWithGA | now i can sanely edit the grub.d stuff and rerun update-grub |
| 03:01.47 | ToHellWithGA | trying to read grub.d files in windows/notepad was blinding me |
| 03:01.58 | ToHellWithGA | peace |
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| 03:17.23 | Darkelfjuggalo | so um... I am trying to install a game from the Disc drive Via Wine... how do I chage the gnome terminal directory to the CD drive? |
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| 03:19.36 | Alpha-Omega | what's a good dlna server for debian? |
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| 03:30.17 | jlgaddis | anyone know wtf debian did to libqt-perl in between stable and testing? |
| 03:32.33 | iluminator101 | abrotman, how do i view past screen output of the terminal |
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| 03:42.06 | Craigwd_2000 | What should I do when bash throws an out of range exit code like 255...? I'm getting in while browsing another AMD64 PC that's also running Linux while running smb4k... |
| 03:42.18 | Craigwd_2000 | getting it* |
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| 03:45.56 | Iridos | ignore it? |
| 03:47.39 | Craigwd_2000 | I'm trying to figure out what the real error code is...; I read online somewhere that sometimes exit codes get mangled by the innards of bash so to speak... |
| 03:48.23 | tharkun | Craigwd_2000: crossposting is not polite for neither channel and you have had your answer |
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| 03:53.05 | Iridos | ha... (noting as answered) what channel was that in |
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| 03:57.06 | MSTRCNVS | I am downloading some indicator applets like indicator-sysmonitor, indicator-messages, but how do I add them to the gnome-panel? |
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| 03:58.29 | jiohdi | I lost audio in flash video, but no where else, how is that even possible? |
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| 04:00.24 | MSTRCNVS | jiohdi: which flash player are you using? |
| 04:00.40 | jiohdi | non-free from main contributed |
| 04:01.26 | Iridos | would be possible if something blocked the oss audio device and everything else uses alsa with dmix? |
| 04:02.27 | Alpha-Omega | where is the config file that tells sshd and other services to to start with linux? |
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| 04:06.07 | MSTRCNVS | Alpha-Omega, you mean other services? |
| 04:06.34 | Craigwd_2000 | Sorry: I just wanted to get a second opinion... That's all... I've searched everywhere I can think of & this error code really left me scratching my head in amazement... |
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| 04:09.06 | twchr | why does iptables logging stopped working after i ran tcpdump? |
| 04:09.55 | orzo | anybody use testing? |
| 04:10.06 | orzo | what shape is it in? |
| 04:10.25 | orzo | i expect upheval due to multiarch plans |
| 04:10.52 | simonlnu | the multi-arch is working out rather smoothly |
| 04:11.07 | orzo | so its mostly done then? |
| 04:11.11 | simonlnu | i'm on sid/i386 though |
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| 04:12.18 | Craigwd_2000 | Orzo: I'm currently running AMD64 Testing & my Droid 2 running CyanogenMod 7 based off Gingerbread won't even mount due to a bug in the current 3.1.0 kernel... I have to use Windows whenever I want to copy files to its Micro SD Card from now on... |
| 04:13.39 | orzo | i have a cm7 droid too |
| 04:13.40 | orzo | heh |
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| 04:16.52 | rawburt | can someone help me with an issue of a script in /etc/cron.hourly not running? |
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| 04:17.14 | rawburt | I can # /etc/cron.daily/sort and it works |
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| 04:19.13 | wooden | rawburt: Can you be a little clearer about what the problem is? |
| 04:19.27 | rawburt | I'd like to, wooden... but I don't know what else to say. |
| 04:19.43 | rawburt | there are no messages in /var/log/syslog that indicate an error. |
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| 04:20.09 | rawburt | I've started using run-part -v --report /etc/cron.hourly/ with no avail either. |
| 04:20.24 | Iridos | err... you did remember that /usr/bin isn't in the path for cron scripts |
| 04:20.29 | rawburt | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 45 Nov 25 22:14 enasisLHFUS.php |
| 04:20.47 | rawburt | I can do some pastebin action that might help... give me just a moment. |
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| 04:21.19 | wooden | rawburt: What did you mean by this exactly? "I can # /etc/cron.daily/sort and it works" |
| 04:21.47 | Iridos | oi think he means he can run it from his interactive shell, but it fails when cron runs it... |
| 04:21.53 | rawburt | Iridos: yes |
| 04:21.56 | Iridos | which is typical for using /usr/bin |
| 04:22.11 | Iridos | stuff in the script |
| 04:22.23 | rawburt | my cron.hourly script: |
| 04:22.24 | rawburt | #!/bin/sh |
| 04:22.24 | rawburt | /usr/enasisNetwork/enasisLHFUS.php |
| 04:22.59 | wooden | Perhaps prefix that command with the absolute path to the php interpreter. |
| 04:23.31 | rawburt | the file itself has #!/usr/bin/php and I can execute it directly |
| 04:24.06 | rawburt | I can execute /etc/cron.hourly/enasisLHFUS.php and it works |
| 04:24.25 | rawburt | but using the run-parts command like in /etc/crontab, nothing happens |
| 04:24.51 | TJNII | So what is the name of your script, exactly? You're talking about /etc/cron.hourly/enasisLHFUS.php and /etc/cron.daily/sort. Are both failing? |
| 04:25.34 | rawburt | that was a mistake, s/sort/enasisLHFUS.php |
| 04:26.36 | Iridos | mmh... I would think the stuff in /etc/cron.*/* is always run in sh |
| 04:26.49 | Iridos | not the shell specified with #! in the file |
| 04:26.57 | TJNII | Rename it to enasisLHFUS without the .php |
| 04:27.03 | rawburt | TJNII: k |
| 04:27.12 | TJNII | iirc some cron daemons won't run scripts with an extension |
| 04:27.27 | TJNII | Then try your run-crons test |
| 04:27.36 | rawburt | tat may have worked TJNII |
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| 04:27.46 | rawburt | it did indeed, thank you TJNII |
| 04:27.51 | TJNII | yw |
| 04:28.14 | Iridos | huh? why should the filename make a difference |
| 04:28.40 | TJNII | I don't know, but I remember it wasn't pleasant to find out. |
| 04:28.57 | squisher | hey folks, any suggestion for sharing files between two computers that are not always on? |
| 04:29.24 | squisher | I don't want to have to mount things by hand (e.g. using sshfs) but I don't want anything to hang at boot time when the server is not available |
| 04:29.37 | rawburt | so maybe run-parts either has a bug or a known operational obstacle. |
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| 04:30.01 | rawburt | squisher: have you experimented with autossh? |
| 04:30.10 | squisher | nope |
| 04:30.30 | rawburt | check it out, it *might* work to your needs. |
| 04:30.38 | Iridos | not for booting though |
| 04:30.41 | squisher | it does sound interesting, but it's not quite what i'm looking for |
| 04:30.55 | squisher | rawburt, thanks for the pointer though, it's interesting to keep in mind for other purposes :) |
| 04:31.10 | rawburt | no problem. |
| 04:31.40 | squisher | I'd be ok with nfs but I am very weary of access to an nfs share hanging when the server is down |
| 04:31.43 | squisher | that can be a real hassle |
| 04:32.13 | wooden | squisher: nfs and autofs. Just uncomment the auto.net in auto.master. |
| 04:32.45 | wooden | Then you can access the machines at will through /net/hostname/disk/path. |
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| 04:38.19 | jiohdi | dropbox? |
| 04:39.45 | squisher | wooden, I know autofs |
| 04:40.06 | squisher | but can I really configure nfs to not hang in kernel space when the server is unreachable? |
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| 04:43.37 | TJNII | There are options to mitigate that, but the real answer is don't turn the file server off when there is active IO. |
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| 04:45.22 | manhunter | which application would i install to run .ppt or .doc , .docx file ? |
| 04:45.30 | manhunter | .ppt |
| 04:45.50 | Iridos | run? |
| 04:46.26 | yagoo | goose, #mythtv |
| 04:46.34 | TJNII | openoffice is a good catch-all for MS Office formats. |
| 04:46.45 | manhunter | which appication would be used to run .ppt file ? |
| 04:46.49 | manhunter | to open .ppt file |
| 04:47.06 | Iridos | openoffice/libre office |
| 04:47.30 | yagoo | manhunter, openoffice is a suite.. it has spreadsheet/wordprocess/and "impress"(powerpoint files are opened with impress) |
| 04:47.31 | Iridos | possibly abiword or catdoc |
| 04:47.37 | manhunter | which is available for debian ? |
| 04:47.42 | TJNII | mutters "lead a horse to water..." |
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| 04:48.15 | manhunter | is openoffice opensource ? is it free in debian ? |
| 04:48.33 | yagoo | manhunter, try using wikipedia.. and type "open office".. you new to the web or whaT? |
| 04:48.38 | TJNII | Looks like it is in apt as openoffice.org |
| 04:48.48 | yagoo | (wikipedia.org) |
| 04:49.04 | squisher | TJNII, my wireless dies sometimes - not sure why and I hate these hung up processes |
| 04:49.09 | Iridos | it's in squeeze main... as "openoffice.org" |
| 04:49.10 | manhunter | i got, openoffice.org-impress |
| 04:49.19 | manhunter | openoffice.org2-impress |
| 04:49.25 | manhunter | which sould i install ? |
| 04:49.57 | Iridos | impress is for ppt |
| 04:50.09 | Iridos | writer is for doc |
| 04:50.31 | Iridos | openoffice.org is a metapackage that pulls in both and installs the whole suite |
| 04:50.43 | yagoo | (i dont think .docx is supported with openoffice-writer but .doc is.. you might be able to use "wine" against m$ reader for .docx) |
| 04:51.51 | Iridos | it can write word 2007 docx, so it should also be able to read that |
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| 04:52.56 | manhunter | openoffice.org2-impress or openoffice.org-impress ? |
| 04:53.03 | manhunter | for ppt |
| 04:53.13 | filePeter | Good Morning. |
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| 04:54.46 | Iridos | judd, versions openoffice.org2-impress |
| 04:54.48 | judd | No package named 'openoffice.org2-impress' was found in i386. |
| 04:55.07 | Iridos | dunno where you see something like that |
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| 04:58.49 | sauvin | Who uses i386 anymore!? |
| 04:59.06 | manhunter | but i got openoffice.org2-impress doing aptitude search openoffice | grep impress |
| 04:59.11 | manhunter | i use i386 |
| 04:59.28 | squisher | just use the other package |
| 04:59.35 | arghx | manhunter: then please show us the output of apt-cache policy |
| 04:59.47 | manhunter | info arghx |
| 05:00.02 | manhunter | apt-cache policy ? what ? |
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| 05:00.16 | manhunter | apt-cache policy openoffice | grep impress , is it ? |
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| 05:00.24 | cnz | how do i find out what service is listening on a certain port |
| 05:00.34 | TJNII | cnz: netstat |
| 05:00.41 | cnz | ie when I run netstt -a i see something listening on port 23875 and I can't find it |
| 05:00.42 | manhunter | cnz: netstat -nr |
| 05:00.48 | Iridos | interesting... that shows it to me, too |
| 05:01.01 | arghx | cnz: as root: netstat -anp |grep 23875 |
| 05:01.04 | Iridos | manhunter, as the "v" indicates, it's a virtual package, though |
| 05:01.30 | Iridos | cnz, or fuser portno/tcp (as root) ... |
| 05:01.43 | manhunter | what is virtual package ? |
| 05:01.51 | Iridos | cnz, if you can't see it in ps, the process probably already quit |
| 05:02.07 | arghx | !tell manhunter about virtual package |
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| 05:08.07 | cnz | hhmm for some reason irssi is binding to that port |
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| 05:10.49 | arghx | dcc? |
| 05:10.58 | cnz | no I figured it out |
| 05:11.01 | cnz | thanks guys |
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| 05:13.26 | andrew09 | Hello, I need help with iptables. I'm trying to forward from interface eth0 to tun0, but only if it comes from a certain machine. I've tried mac filtering and source IP with no luck. |
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| 05:16.00 | hoverbear | Powernowd or cpufreqd nicer to use? |
| 05:16.40 | twchr | andrew09: what rule did you insert? |
| 05:17.23 | andrew09 | iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -m mac --mac-source F4:6D:04:3E:C5:20 -o tun0 -j ACCEPT |
| 05:18.26 | clone_of_saturn | hoverbear: if you're using hardware less than 5-10 years old you should let the kernel handle it |
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| 05:18.54 | hoverbear | clone_of_saturn: Right on |
| 05:20.48 | andrew09 | twchr: I previously had this setup iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o tun0 -j ACCEPT however I deleted the default routes so that tun0 wasn't used as default. Not sure if I've forgotten something |
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| 05:22.01 | andrew09 | wget --bind-address=$iptun0 uses the tun interface and works. But when I'm forwarding using iptables to the tun0 interface I'm getting nothing. |
| 05:24.07 | clone_of_saturn | andrew09: are you sure you have the forwarding sysctls turned on? |
| 05:24.48 | andrew09 | clone_of_saturn: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 05:25.33 | andrew09 | I think I have forgotten something, when I previously had tun0 as the default interface it forwarded fine. Now I don't have it as the default interface. |
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| 05:29.41 | dioz | what should i use if i don't want my network admin being able to sniff any of the content i put out through his network? |
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| 05:29.59 | dioz | i have a host on the outside of the network |
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| 05:30.32 | andrew09 | dioz: OpenVPN? |
| 05:30.58 | dioz | any example tuts? |
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| 05:37.03 | squisher | dioz, usually when you have ssh available that's easiest to use |
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| 05:39.37 | arghx | dioz: openvpn.org has some. but it depends on what your traffic actually is |
| 05:40.08 | dioz | --redirect-gateway |
| 05:40.11 | twchr | andrew09: i think you need to forward it in postrouting chain |
| 05:40.12 | dioz | i think that is what i am looking for |
| 05:40.48 | dioz | the traffic is everyint |
| 05:40.52 | dioz | everything |
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| 05:41.08 | andrew09 | twchr: Could you explain what I need to do a bit more? |
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| 05:48.32 | twchr | you need to snat the traffic from eth0 in postrouting but you can't use mac address in postrouting |
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| 05:49.54 | arghx | dioz: then you want a vpn, ie openvpn |
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| 05:50.58 | andrew09 | twchr: Thanks. Do you know of any method then so that only a specific system gets it's traffic forwarded? |
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| 05:51.07 | hoverbear | No libpam-fprint in wheezy? |
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| 05:51.33 | twchr | andrew09: something like iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s other_machine_ip -j SNAT --to-source eth0_ip |
| 05:52.23 | andrew09 | eth0_ip I can replace with tun0 correct? |
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| 05:53.28 | twchr | yea |
| 05:53.47 | andrew09 | Cheers, thanks for that. |
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| 05:56.14 | twchr | or try this instead iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -m mac --mac-source bl:a:bla -j SNAT --to-source tun0_ip |
| 05:56.22 | twchr | see if that works |
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| 05:59.23 | andrew09 | twchr: nope no luck :( |
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| 06:04.28 | mah454 | Hello ... |
| 06:04.34 | mah454 | please view this post : http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/problem-with-init-915335/ |
| 06:04.38 | mah454 | How can i fix this ? |
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| 06:12.05 | arghx | mah454: is this really debian? |
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| 06:27.16 | chiques_ | Hello room |
| 06:27.21 | somiaj | hi |
| 06:28.47 | chiques_ | I'm installing Debian for the first time. It is formatting something as I type this message. My question: Does Debian know in the "Guided" version of install to not format my Windows partition and install itself beside it or or will it wipe the drive and install Debian only? |
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| 06:29.47 | somiaj | chiques_: it depends on what you choose. If you don't have a blank partition to put it on, you will have to manually repartion your drive. |
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| 06:30.11 | chiques_ | Currently the install bar says "Erasing data on SCSI1 (0,0,0), partition # 5 (sda) |
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| 06:30.27 | somiaj | chiques_: did you have a blank partition/space for debian to go? |
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| 06:30.50 | chiques_ | No, I did not partition anything for the install. |
| 06:31.23 | chiques_ | I was under the impression it would "guide" me considering I chose the "Guided..." version of the install. |
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| 06:33.20 | arghx | chiques_: it clearly asks you if you want to use the full drive for debian |
| 06:33.33 | arghx | and what is your sda5? |
| 06:33.56 | chiques_ | arghx, you are correct. That was the first option and I stayed away from that. I chose the option which was guided and encrypted |
| 06:33.57 | somiaj | chiques_: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition -- read down to Guided Partitioning. It explains what it does. |
| 06:34.03 | arghx | chiques_: you can also press "ctrl alt f2" and there run fdisk -l to see your current drive |
| 06:34.25 | chiques_ | arghx, During the install I can do that? |
| 06:34.27 | arghx | yes, encrypted erases (rather, fills) the disk with random data first. and that can take a loooong time |
| 06:34.40 | arghx | yes you can do that |
| 06:35.35 | chiques_ | arghx |
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| 06:36.12 | chiques_ | arghx, IT worked. I see partions for sda, sdb and dm-0(not sure what this is). |
| 06:36.25 | Alpha-Omega | So what's the better supported card right now in Linux? Nvidia or Ati? |
| 06:36.29 | Epicur | Hi all! |
| 06:36.46 | chiques_ | arghx, How do I get back to the install GUI? |
| 06:37.22 | Epicur | aptitude install gnome2? |
| 06:37.32 | somiaj | chiques_: ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 06:37.39 | chiques_ | somiaj, Thanks |
| 06:38.11 | Epicur | friends, can u help me to install git on my web-server? |
| 06:38.18 | boudiccas | !u |
| 06:38.18 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 06:38.33 | Epicur | i need git to version control of my web-site |
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| 06:39.26 | Epicur | ok, friends, can You help me with install git on my server? |
| 06:39.41 | boudiccas | Epicur; thank you :) |
| 06:39.57 | yagoo | chiques_, i believe dm-0 would be something for lowclass raid (meaning low-quality raid -- meaning fakeraid) |
| 06:40.00 | chiques_ | somiaj, I got a bunch of "Invalid argument" lines when I tried ctrl+alt+F1. |
| 06:40.33 | Epicur | m? |
| 06:40.34 | yagoo | Epicur, hey budds.. gotta get da git!! |
| 06:40.37 | somiaj | Epicur: install the git packages. If you need help configuring the server, you can check /usr/share/doc/pkgname for some debian specific info |
| 06:40.58 | somiaj | chiques_: Then you are using the 'graphical installer', that might be on ctrl-alt-f7 then. |
| 06:41.00 | yagoo | thinks he just invented a new tongue twister |
| 06:41.15 | Epicur | i can install git. but i don't know how it works |
| 06:41.35 | arghx | chiques_: could be cause it's still filling the drive with random junk and not finished yet |
| 06:41.41 | somiaj | Epicur: I'd google for an howto then. |
| 06:41.49 | Epicur | i need to sync files with my web-site |
| 06:41.59 | yagoo | Epicur, if you need any ideas, i tend to simply rtfm the lazy way :) (da wiki da get da git!! ) |
| 06:41.59 | chiques_ | arghx, OK, understood. |
| 06:42.01 | arghx | Epicur: apt-get install git? |
| 06:42.22 | arghx | chiques_: and what somiaj said when you use the graphical installer of course |
| 06:42.24 | Epicur | oh. anybody russian here?? |
| 06:42.30 | arghx | !ru |
| 06:42.30 | dpkg | eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 06:42.39 | Epicur | !ru |
| 06:42.46 | yagoo | says the Russians are coming.. MOVE MOVE!!! |
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| 06:43.52 | yagoo | chiques_, sometimes an installer is not on ctl-alt-f7 (tty7), if you're in plain text, you can simply do -> alt-<arrow> do cycle the tty#'s.. |
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| 06:44.00 | Epicur | can't join russian channel |
| 06:44.00 | Epicur | ok, i'll try to explain |
| 06:44.14 | yagoo | Epicur, your english is pretty good.. suprise surprise! :p |
| 06:45.18 | geggam | in soviet russia you come to russia ? |
| 06:45.24 | geggam | or does it come to you ? |
| 06:45.31 | Alpha-Omega | so no response to what's supported better in linux, ATI or Nvidia |
| 06:45.33 | somiaj | Epicur: http://tumblr.intranation.com/post/766290565/how-set-up-your-own-private-git-server-linux -- first google hit, dose that help you. |
| 06:45.56 | yagoo | Alpha-Omega, i have two systems-- one ati and nvidia.. they both work very well, as both companies support linux very well |
| 06:46.00 | geggam | mkdir foo.git ... cd foo.git ... git init empty |
| 06:46.03 | somiaj | Alpha-Omega: is this a #linux or #debian question? |
| 06:46.05 | geggam | touch foo. |
| 06:46.08 | geggam | git add foo |
| 06:46.12 | geggam | git commit |
| 06:46.15 | geggam | ^ repo |
| 06:46.33 | Alpha-Omega | somiaj, general, but I use debian so that's why I asked in debian channel, distro-specific |
| 06:47.04 | Alpha-Omega | yagoo, hmm, because I heard that ATI wasn't that well supported, just wanted to confirm |
| 06:47.15 | somiaj | Alpha-Omega: in debian both have scripts for the non-free drivers in stable. If you have really really new software, the drivefrs in debian stable my not support it. |
| 06:47.31 | yagoo | Alpha-Omega, that's bs.. |
| 06:47.54 | Alpha-Omega | yagoo, :) |
| 06:47.54 | rozie | Alpha-Omega: ATI tends to drop support for "older" hardware |
| 06:48.03 | yagoo | Alpha-Omega, if you go to the amd site.. all the bleeding edge video cards have ati-linux downloads.. alot of this is packaged in the debian repo already.. |
| 06:48.04 | Alpha-Omega | anyone else want to confirm before I buy my ATI card |
| 06:48.08 | somiaj | Alpha-Omega: I think the nvidia drivers have been slightly better historically (but curentally they are about equal). The free radeon driver is better in many cirucmsatnces than the free nvidia driver. |
| 06:48.25 | yagoo | Alpha-Omega, no need to.. it's too obvious :) |
| 06:48.31 | somiaj | Alpha-Omega: currently neither has updated fully to the new xorg abi. |
| 06:48.33 | Alpha-Omega | somiaj, I was told the opposite |
| 06:48.44 | rozie | I'd go nvidia if I wanted to use binary driver |
| 06:48.48 | yagoo | pff |
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| 06:48.55 | Alpha-Omega | rozie, why? |
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| 06:49.20 | yagoo | Alpha-Omega, he's favored to one.. it's a geek prejudice.. |
| 06:49.21 | somiaj | Alpha-Omega: what do you want to use your card for? Do you want 3D support? |
| 06:49.55 | chiques_ | yagoo, That did it! Thanks |
| 06:49.55 | yagoo | says a couple of years ago would only choose nvidia and not ati |
| 06:50.05 | Alpha-Omega | somiaj, well yeah, hopefully I can play games through wine if not I'll reboot into winblows for games |
| 06:50.06 | rozie | bought a laptop (new one) with radeon X1600 like... 4,5 year ago. they dropped support for this card like 3 years ago |
| 06:50.35 | Alpha-Omega | rozie, hmm |
| 06:50.49 | Alpha-Omega | by support you mean 3d acceleration support right? |
| 06:50.50 | rozie | and they did the same for Radeon 9200 some time before |
| 06:50.51 | yagoo | rozie, yah.. that was x# years ago I would of said not to use ati.. but lately I'm very happy with ati.. they even have catalyst for linux.. |
| 06:51.07 | Alpha-Omega | but works fine without the proprietary driver |
| 06:51.08 | yagoo | Alpha-Omega, 3d acc good. |
| 06:51.22 | Alpha-Omega | so go with the ATI right? |
| 06:51.34 | Alpha-Omega | I mean that was my original choice for the gaming |
| 06:51.37 | rozie | Alpha-Omega: no. you dont have proprietary driver at all (for newer kernels) for those cards |
| 06:51.39 | yagoo | Alpha-Omega, nvidia and ati both have their configuration pitfalls equally. So they're both equal as far as i see it. |
| 06:51.41 | somiaj | Alpha-Omega: Games in wine were more geared twoard the nvidia binary, and many games seemed to have issues with ATI, but this isn't as bad as it use to be and is partly due to the nvidia bias for gaming. |
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| 06:51.58 | Alpha-Omega | hmm |
| 06:52.06 | rozie | and "works fine" is much worse than binary driver |
| 06:52.11 | somiaj | Alpha-Omega: but I haven't seen anything recent, I just know when I use to game a bit more in wine, there were usually workarounds needed for ATI cards. This is of course less than when I played and kept track 3-4 years ago. |
| 06:52.26 | yagoo | somiaj, games on linux use opengl.. I don't see much issues .. needless to say.. i don't see him playing games on linux much |
| 06:52.50 | yagoo | somiaj, wine is not linux.. |
| 06:53.01 | Alpha-Omega | guessing no one here has run a triple monitor setup with display port using ATI in linux? :P |
| 06:53.06 | yagoo | somiaj, so the debate is pretty null at this point bringing in this about video compatibility.. |
| 06:53.21 | rozie | so I don't trust them anymore. they won't get my money. simple. |
| 06:53.27 | yagoo | Alpha-Omega, there are people who even have more than that.. |
| 06:54.00 | Alpha-Omega | hmm |
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| 06:54.13 | geggam | vesa ftw ! |
| 06:54.18 | Alpha-Omega | now should I go with 3 20" screens or 1 25" screen |
| 06:54.19 | Alpha-Omega | :P |
| 06:54.29 | yagoo | Alpha-Omega, I've helped many people wanting to setup dual monitor.. often the problem is an exotic monitor or a very old monitor giving problems.. |
| 06:54.46 | geggam | cvt is your friend yagoo |
| 06:55.03 | clone_of_saturn | nvidia and ati both work, but in my experience ati is much slower than under windows, while nvidia is full speed |
| 06:55.09 | yagoo | Alpha-Omega, if you have a good monitor you have little worry.. 99% of the time it has to do with e-did not being picked up. |
| 06:55.51 | clone_of_saturn | i also could never get wine to work right with 3d on my ati system |
| 06:57.16 | clone_of_saturn | meaning, it either segfaults right away or the graphics are so messed up it's unrecognizable |
| 06:57.42 | yagoo | ok.. may I be a dam idiot for trying to get this straight.. I'm checking out gnome3.. and nowhere can i make sense why they left nautilus out from the rt-bottom pane.. makes no sense.. Maybe I'll put my ass back into gnome-classic. This is really irritating.. |
| 06:58.21 | clone_of_saturn | gnome3 is really irritating :( |
| 06:59.13 | yagoo | clone_of_saturn, i like it up to a point.. i just dont know why nautilus is "hidden".. and the most used app of the whole "desktop" experience.. |
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| 06:59.47 | yagoo | goes to try out docky.. |
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| 07:05.26 | Dulak | just when gnome 2 was almost perfect |
| 07:05.27 | boudiccas | its a conspiracy |
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| 07:20.02 | Haris | Hello people, guys, folks, everyone, all |
| 07:20.07 | Haris | I have 5.0.8 on one box |
| 07:20.45 | Haris | aptitude says sees php 5.2.6. Is it possible to install php 5.3.8 with its extention on it ? |
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| 07:21.35 | Haris | via aptitude |
| 07:21.36 | Haris | that is |
| 07:21.56 | somiaj | ,versions php5 |
| 07:21.57 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; sid: 5.3.6-7; sid: 5.3.8.0-1; wheezy: 5.3.8.0-1; experimental: 5.4.0~beta2-1 |
| 07:22.38 | somiaj | Haris: possible yes. But you will most likely have to make your own backport since there doesn't appear to be a backport made |
| 07:22.51 | somiaj | Haris: though for secuirty reasons you should really upgrade to squeeze (or plan on it) |
| 07:23.04 | Haris | this isn't my own box. I'll relay the message though |
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| 07:24.20 | somiaj | Haris: you can complie your own backort of php from squeeze to lenny. This does require a bit of work, and you don't get security updates for your custom backported package. |
| 07:24.38 | Haris | got it |
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| 07:27.44 | Haris | Is tehre a way to list packages based on wild cards with aptitude |
| 07:27.47 | Haris | packages + their deps |
| 07:27.59 | Haris | like php5* |
| 07:28.21 | somiaj | by default aptitude search php5 looks for all packages that contain php5 in many different places |
| 07:29.01 | somiaj | so you get php5*, but with aptitude you can actually use flags to search paticular repos, or do more complicated things. |
| 07:29.24 | somiaj | Haris: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html -- I find that useful |
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| 07:30.30 | Haris | thank you |
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| 08:15.09 | kosnick | hello everyone, i have installed ubuntu in a eeepc and have /home in different partition. Can i keep it if i move to debian? |
| 08:15.35 | ZekeS | kosnick: yeah, that's one of the reasons some people recommend keeping home separate :) |
| 08:15.49 | ZekeS | Just watch out for dotfile conflicts |
| 08:15.57 | kosnick | ? |
| 08:16.04 | kosnick | hidden files? |
| 08:16.19 | rox | kosnick: yes |
| 08:16.30 | ZekeS | YEah, if you have anything specific to your ubuntu configuration |
| 08:16.35 | kosnick | what kind of conflicts? |
| 08:16.42 | kosnick | oh i see |
| 08:16.47 | kosnick | (i think so..) |
| 08:17.01 | ZekeS | Sorry if I'm a bit disjointed, been awake too long :( |
| 08:17.03 | kosnick | one way to find out though.. |
| 08:17.25 | rox | kosnick: the only problem i forsee is that different versions of various desktop software you might use could have incompatible configuration, but you can solve that on per-app basis |
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| 08:17.51 | kosnick | ok thanks guys. off to installing debian |
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| 08:18.14 | ZekeS | kosnick: you can join me :D |
| 08:18.25 | kosnick | join you? what do you mean? |
| 08:18.51 | ZekeS | I'm currently installing debian on an old ibook (part of why I've been up too long ...) |
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| 08:19.51 | m4ntus_ | hi all |
| 08:20.52 | ZekeS | y0 |
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| 08:26.58 | ompaul | kosnick: when you have multiversions of say thunderbird and they change the way the dot files behave you have bought yourself one or other system broken, and the really bad news is neither group will support you. back up /home and then pull the parts in one at a time for the programs you want then you can discover if that is what yo uwant before you install the backed up stuff grab the defaults from whatever app you are a bout to start and mv its . |
| 08:27.00 | ompaul | directory to .orig-directory when you are happy clean them up |
| 08:28.23 | kosnick | i think (....) i am concerced only about data i have saved in /home but not the applications and their settings saved there. Again i think (...) |
| 08:29.15 | ompaul | kosnick: generally that is true, unless you use something like openvpn |
| 08:29.27 | Haris | does debian have playsms in its package list ? |
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| 08:29.51 | ompaul | kosnick: there might be things in /etc/profile you like or then again there might not be but generally they are very similar |
| 08:30.03 | ompaul | Haris: what is playsms when it is at home |
| 08:30.18 | Haris | ? |
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| 08:30.46 | ompaul | Haris: you asked a question however that is not a package we use so where does it come from - is it perl python or what |
| 08:30.55 | Haris | sourceforge |
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| 08:32.08 | kosnick | hey guys, i think i should dd iso with torrent but clicking on "i386" in this page http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ it takes me to the index of the individual files. Do i need to add them one by one to my torrent client? |
| 08:33.02 | valdyn | !d-i |
| 08:33.03 | dpkg | 6.0 squeeze is now the "stable" Debian release (Feb 06, 2011). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . If you want to make custom install CDs, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net. See also <errata>, <g-i>. |
| 08:33.14 | valdyn | !netinstall |
| 08:33.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 08:33.30 | valdyn | kosnick: you dont need all those disks |
| 08:33.36 | ompaul | ,versions playsms |
| 08:33.37 | judd | No package named 'playsms' was found in i386. |
| 08:33.46 | ompaul | Haris: I guess not. |
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| 08:35.07 | kosnick | ok http dd works also fine. i am dd netinst . thx again everyone |
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| 08:35.38 | ompaul | anyone want to enlighten me what dd is in that case |
| 08:35.53 | valdyn | kosnick: you cant dd iso images to cdrom |
| 08:36.11 | ompaul | ah |
| 08:36.27 | ompaul | dd if= that one |
| 08:36.31 | kosnick | valdyn: i am dding iso image to burn it to flash disk |
| 08:36.43 | valdyn | kosnick: ok |
| 08:37.06 | kosnick | valdyn: it works that way, doesn't it? at least i read it somewhere |
| 08:37.08 | ompaul | kosnick: cat file.iso > /dev/usb-stickl |
| 08:37.21 | kosnick | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallUsingStandardInstaller |
| 08:37.22 | ompaul | where you change usb-stickl for whatever you use |
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| 08:38.18 | webczat | Hello. |
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| 08:38.39 | webczat | Can I somehow install debian using a serial console instead of a keyboard/monitor if I don't have both? |
| 08:39.32 | valdyn | webczat: yes |
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| 08:40.04 | webczat | how? |
| 08:40.28 | webczat | Actually I want to install it on a virtual machine, but I can't use rdp/vnc to connect to it. |
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| 08:41.19 | Alpha-Omega | anyone using ssd with debian on it? |
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| 08:42.54 | ompaul | webczat: so you want to install a vm inside a vm? |
| 08:43.20 | ompaul | or you have a box running kvm and you want to install it to that |
| 08:43.30 | ompaul | or something else entirely? |
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| 08:44.20 | valdyn | !anyone use |
| 08:44.20 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 08:45.33 | webczat | ompaul: no. vm inside a pc. but I give someone a remote shell to install it. |
| 08:45.49 | ompaul | webczat: and what is the pc running? |
| 08:46.03 | webczat | for learning purposes. or if it won't succeed, I am myself blind so I also cannot install it without a serial console. I maybe can blindly type something for a while. |
| 08:46.15 | webczat | the pc uses virtualbox for vm. |
| 08:47.14 | webczat | but someone in a shell cannot |
| 08:47.19 | ompaul | vbox headless is documented with a quick search - sadly I am in a hotel and have to dine - however note this you never said what the base os is |
| 08:47.27 | valdyn | webczat: the boot manager cant be on serial console unless your bios supports that, which is not a debian issue |
| 08:47.31 | ompaul | now I got to runnin |
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| 08:48.02 | valdyn | webczat: the linux kernel that is booted from there can take the parameter console=ttyS0,9600 |
| 08:48.04 | webczat | valdyn: I think that it can, but it would require it's real reconfiguration. |
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| 08:49.50 | valdyn | webczat: so as far as debian is concerned you can create a modified installer that defaults to serial console |
| 08:50.10 | valdyn | webczat: but debian cant fix your bios |
| 08:50.39 | webczat | but the bootloader itself supports serial consoles. grub does, lilo does, and I remember isolinux did too. |
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| 08:51.03 | valdyn | webczat: yea, but its the same deal there, somewhere you have to tell it to use the serial console |
| 08:51.13 | valdyn | webczat: so bios support or a modified installer |
| 08:51.35 | webczat | hmm... modified isolinux config. I just don't remember how it was done arghhh |
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| 08:52.16 | project2501a | oh wow, update-alternatives changed, yet again, in wheezy |
| 08:52.17 | project2501a | hm |
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| 09:03.12 | webczat | will it allow me automatically to login on serial? |
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| 09:43.27 | skilz | any basic dock ? |
| 09:43.32 | skilz | lightweight |
| 09:44.25 | boudiccas | skilz; sorry? dock? |
| 09:44.40 | skilz | like cairo-dock |
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| 09:45.16 | boudiccas | do you mean desktop environment? |
| 09:45.36 | boudiccas | skilz; like KDE or gnome? |
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| 09:46.28 | skilz | no |
| 09:46.45 | skilz | you know like on apple computers? the icon bar |
| 09:47.22 | boudiccas | never used an apple or seen one, so i'm still unclear as to what you mean |
| 09:47.52 | mavhc | a bar showing running and pinned applications/folders |
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| 09:47.57 | boudiccas | but the short answer is, i dont know of any lightweight and basic docks |
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| 10:15.15 | PhoenixSTF | morning :) |
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| 10:27.15 | Quibus | hi all |
| 10:27.35 | Quibus | Yesterday I got Iceweasel 8.0, but since then I see regular temporary freezes of Iceweasel... Does this sound familiar? |
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| 10:36.13 | mark76 | Wbar? |
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| 10:57.10 | maxmati | Hi! I have samba as AD domain client but have problem with shares because can't do any writes on it or acl changes. here is my config http://wklej.org/id/634930/ Can anyone help? |
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| 11:14.43 | jiohdi | anyone else noticing that programs do not want to shut down quickly in debian squeeze gnome? when I close some packages, the cpu spikes and stays high for like half a minute and a force or cancel warning shows up. |
| 11:14.53 | jiohdi | but then it closes finally |
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| 11:22.17 | Quibus | jiohdi: which apps are that? |
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| 11:34.29 | ayambit | does anyone know how was named largest programmer project in terms of people involved in 50-60x. As i recall there was like 20 000 people involved. |
| 11:34.29 | ayambit | they just took everyone, even music teachers, and taught them programming |
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| 11:49.28 | jiohdi | quibus one is pan |
| 11:50.42 | jiohdi | infact most others seem to close ok... but a few linger |
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| 11:53.16 | jiohdi | I have also lost sound to all flash and flash like events... sound works just fine in vlc and other apps... how do I get my flash sound back? |
| 11:54.24 | arghx | start the browser from a terminal. look at the terminal when flash needs to use the soundcard |
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| 11:56.39 | jiohdi | it says ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1018 (snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
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| 12:08.42 | gionnico | hi |
| 12:08.47 | DaGra | Hi |
| 12:08.58 | gionnico | i'm upgrading from squeeze to wheezy |
| 12:09.11 | DaGra | Ok |
| 12:09.37 | gionnico | and i changed sources.list, then apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 12:09.54 | gionnico | and it gave me an error, so i did apt-get dist-upgrade again and it gives me another error |
| 12:10.08 | gionnico | lots of " zenity : Dipende: libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.24.0) ma non è installato" |
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| 12:11.27 | DaGra | can you install manually libglib temporally |
| 12:11.28 | DaGra | ? |
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| 12:11.41 | gionnico | how can I not add it to package list? |
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| 12:11.53 | gionnico | so that it's considered only a dependence? |
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| 12:12.19 | DaGra | yes, I think so |
| 12:12.23 | DaGra | only a dependance |
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| 12:13.54 | DaGra | Ok, I'm searching something for that, wait a minute |
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| 12:14.52 | DaGra | have you tried to apt-get install libglib manually from squeeze deposits ? |
| 12:15.02 | jiohdi | arghx, thanks, seeing the error lead me to a debian forum page that had the solution :) |
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| 12:15.16 | gionnico | DaGra, from wheezy? |
| 12:15.47 | DaGra | yes, with squeeze reposiroties in the paquets sources |
| 12:16.10 | gionnico | i've removed squeeze and replaced with wheezy every entry.. |
| 12:17.04 | DaGra | can you try it ? you readd squeeze in source.list, and apt-get install libglib |
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| 12:18.29 | DaGra | it's on version 2.24.2-1 with squeeze |
| 12:18.32 | DaGra | it should be good |
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| 12:18.58 | gionnico | DaGra, this is the apt-get dist-upgrade -f log: http://pastebin.com/JkwBtHS1 |
| 12:18.59 | arghx | ,versions libglib2.0-0 |
| 12:19.00 | judd | Package: libglib2.0-0 on i386 -- lenny-security: 2.16.6-1+lenny1; lenny: 2.16.6-3; lenny-backports: 2.24.2-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.24.2-1; wheezy: 2.28.8-1; sid: 2.30.2-4 |
| 12:19.22 | arghx | what's in your sources list that it can't find the lib? |
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| 12:19.32 | marius_ | hey, if I use -std=gnu99 I dont need includes for getaddrinfo, getopt and so on, but if I use -std=c99 he cant find the functions even if I do the right includes. can somebody explain that to me (gcc (Debian 4.6.2-4) 4.6.2) |
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| 12:20.00 | gionnico | arghx, just 2 lines deb and deb-src for wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 12:20.18 | marius_ | sry, I am talking about compiling c99 with gcc |
| 12:20.22 | l1n3x | i have a problem , my /home partition if full ! , and my / file system contains like 30gb im using diskmanager is it safe to resize and shrink it while debian is loading ? |
| 12:20.22 | arghx | so install the lib, with dpkg if needed |
| 12:20.48 | DaGra | what I suggest to you is to update manually libglib with apt-get, for squeeze to have the good version, and retry all |
| 12:20.51 | arghx | l1n3x: you cannot shrink or resize while the partition you want to change is mounted |
| 12:21.04 | DaGra | do you agree arghx ? |
| 12:21.05 | arghx | DaGra: no he cannot use the squeeze libglib |
| 12:21.10 | arghx | no I don't agree |
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| 12:21.17 | arghx | he needs to use the wheezy version of it |
| 12:21.18 | DaGra | why ? if he change source.list ? |
| 12:21.31 | DaGra | he wants to update to squeeze |
| 12:21.32 | gionnico | i had already done apt-get update; apt-get upgrade for squeeze |
| 12:21.36 | arghx | cause he has wheezy packages already installed. he cannot mix |
| 12:21.40 | gionnico | right before changing the sources.list.. |
| 12:21.47 | arghx | gionnico: dpkg -l |grep libglib |
| 12:21.59 | DaGra | ok |
| 12:22.09 | arghx | l1n3x: use a live cd to run gparted |
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| 12:23.00 | gionnico | arghx, http://pastebin.com/AvzMXZ9J |
| 12:23.44 | arghx | so you removed libglibg2.0-0. do as I said and install it |
| 12:24.04 | arghx | and next time, dist-upgrade before you switch over to testing |
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| 12:24.48 | gionnico | arghx, i was on squeeze, dist-upgrade failed, then i rebooted |
| 12:25.20 | arghx | dist upgrade BEFORE you switch to testing. and if that already fails you are doing something badly wrong |
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| 12:25.48 | gionnico | arghx, i don't think so, it was all clean |
| 12:26.13 | gionnico | so i wget http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libglib2.0-0; dpkg -i glib.deb ? |
| 12:26.17 | DaGra | and if he apt-get remove it ? with purge |
| 12:26.28 | arghx | DaGra remove what? |
| 12:26.33 | DaGra | libglib |
| 12:26.39 | DaGra | 2.0-0 |
| 12:26.43 | arghx | how can he remove what's not there |
| 12:26.58 | DaGra | what does it tell you when you do it ? |
| 12:27.12 | jelly-home | ,versions libglib2.0-0 |
| 12:27.12 | judd | Package: libglib2.0-0 on i386 -- lenny-security: 2.16.6-1+lenny1; lenny: 2.16.6-3; lenny-backports: 2.24.2-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.24.2-1; wheezy: 2.28.8-1; sid: 2.30.2-4 |
| 12:27.49 | arghx | jelly-home: the strange thing is, libglib is "rc". probably some third party package or other |
| 12:28.03 | gionnico | arghx, i can't install glib: http://pastebin.com/nfEPB5Dp |
| 12:28.25 | jelly-home | arghx: that's not strange. It's just removed, and that's the main GLib binary package |
| 12:28.26 | arghx | remove gdm3 then... |
| 12:28.33 | l1n3x | arghx: thank you |
| 12:28.42 | arghx | yes, but why would it be removed? glib is kinda needed |
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| 12:29.20 | gionnico | arghx, i didn't. the dist-upgrade thing did it |
| 12:29.32 | jelly-home | arghx: with complex dist-upgrades, apt or aptitude need to temporarily remove some of the dependencies to make other packages installable |
| 12:29.33 | gionnico | i can't remove gdm3 either: http://pastebin.com/QUiHbttq |
| 12:30.03 | jelly-home | gionnico: what happens when you try to just apt-get install libglib2.0-0 |
| 12:30.30 | DaGra | have you done a "purge" when desinstalling libglib ? |
| 12:30.39 | jelly-home | gionnico: after that: what happens when you try to "apt-get -f install" |
| 12:30.46 | jelly-home | DaGra: why would he do that? |
| 12:30.55 | gionnico | jelly-home, not better: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=z8MAzWTW |
| 12:30.57 | gionnico | apt-get -f install doesn't work either |
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| 12:31.16 | DaGra | in order not to have an error when installing |
| 12:31.29 | gionnico | # apt-get -f install : http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=aWB3jt4x |
| 12:31.38 | jelly-home | DaGra: I mean, why do you think that would help |
| 12:31.56 | gionnico | apt-get -f install is quite a huge list .. |
| 12:32.10 | DaGra | to completely remove the dependancies |
| 12:32.26 | jelly-home | gionnico: fun. How does aptitude -f install break? :-) |
| 12:32.59 | gionnico | jelly, with a 325) list option .. Accept?? |
| 12:33.16 | jelly-home | DaGra: that means all of gnome and many other packages. The point here is more likely to try satisfying the dependencies. |
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| 12:33.27 | arghx | if gdm3 is the only thing that is not ok with the 2.28 libglib, I'd force remove that with dpkg, then install libglib via dpkg and apt-get -f install |
| 12:33.28 | jelly-home | gionnico: sorry. Can you pastebin the output? |
| 12:34.02 | gionnico | have a look: do you like this solution or next one? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=0wMwA1ck |
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| 12:34.17 | nkuttler | gionnico: dpkg --get-selections | grep hold |
| 12:34.32 | jason404 | I use exim4 to relay mail |
| 12:34.39 | nkuttler | gionnico: did you already paste your sources.list? |
| 12:34.45 | jelly-home | gionnico: that seems ok as a first step, try to do that. |
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| 12:34.51 | gionnico | nkuttler, empty.. |
| 12:35.10 | jelly-home | gionnico: er no, sorry |
| 12:35.13 | jason404 | is it possible to make exim act as a backup MX collector while I do an email migration? |
| 12:35.18 | gionnico | nkuttler, it's simple, just 2 lines uncommented deb ftp://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 12:35.22 | gionnico | and deb-src (same stuff) |
| 12:35.43 | nkuttler | gionnico: start with dpkg --configure -a |
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| 12:35.49 | gionnico | jelly-home, it wants to disinstall total gnome.. |
| 12:36.03 | jelly-home | gionnico: yeah, don't do it |
| 12:36.04 | gionnico | nkuttler, i had tried already, error |
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| 12:36.13 | nkuttler | gionnico: did you paste that error? |
| 12:36.35 | gionnico | nkuttler, dpkg --configure -a : http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=8SE8aRQJ |
| 12:36.53 | nkuttler | ugh |
| 12:37.21 | nkuttler | gionnico: why did you remove all resources from your sources.list? obviously the deps can't be installed then |
| 12:37.28 | gionnico | dpkg gave up: "too many errors".. and if it's "too many" for a computer script, for a human .. |
| 12:37.28 | dpkg | gionnico: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 12:37.47 | gionnico | dpkg, shut up |
| 12:37.47 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 12:38.12 | xand | ha |
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| 12:39.03 | gionnico | nkuttler, i didn't remove all resources. i just had deb with squeeze main contrib non-free and deb-src |
| 12:39.15 | nkuttler | gionnico: pastebin your sources list |
| 12:39.23 | coolguy4 | is it possible to move a window into a VNC session? Inother words, move a windowbetween X sessions? |
| 12:39.25 | gionnico | and the squeeze-updates and squeeze/updates. well i commented updates out and replaced squeeze with wheezy |
| 12:39.30 | nkuttler | gionnico: pastebin your sources list |
| 12:40.10 | gionnico | nkuttler, http://pastebin.com/sDCMXMeR |
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| 12:41.35 | nkuttler | what were you trying to do anyway? upgrade to testing from stable? |
| 12:41.45 | nkuttler | err, the other way |
| 12:41.56 | gionnico | yes squeeze->wheezy |
| 12:42.04 | jelly-home | you said it right nkuttler |
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| 12:42.19 | nkuttler | oh my :) |
| 12:42.33 | gionnico | jelly-home, from and to is right. we usually tell the other way around both terms anyways.. |
| 12:42.56 | jelly-home | it's not ambiguous. |
| 12:42.59 | nkuttler | gionnico: just for the record, you did an aptitude upgrade |
| 12:43.07 | nkuttler | aptitude update |
| 12:43.11 | zyg | How do you determine what sata driver is in use? |
| 12:43.12 | nkuttler | meh. need food.. |
| 12:43.30 | gionnico | nkuttler, i was up2date with squeeze, then changed sources.list, apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:43.39 | jelly-home | zyg: lspci -k output may help |
| 12:43.48 | gionnico | it downloaded tons of stuff, then it shown me the changelog, then it started to work.. |
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| 12:44.36 | zyg | jelly-home: thanks! sometimes it is so easy :) |
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| 12:45.13 | nkuttler | gionnico: that's... odd.. |
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| 12:45.54 | gionnico | it is .. :/ i had gnome open when dist-upgrading .. |
| 12:45.55 | gionnico | nothing told me it was not ok |
| 12:46.25 | gionnico | i'll go back to squeeze, i think dist-upgrade hasn't installed much. just 1-2 minutes it worked.. |
| 12:46.33 | nkuttler | jelly-home: why would you not do what aptitude suggested? removes a lot of stuff.. but other than that? |
| 12:46.53 | nkuttler | gionnico: well it looks like you have unconfigured testing packages already installed |
| 12:47.55 | jelly-home | nkuttler: because it removes a lot of stuff. |
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| 12:48.47 | v0xx | hey, i want to setup whole hard drive encryption for a new debian install |
| 12:48.53 | gionnico | jelly-home, well the system seems bricked anyways |
| 12:48.55 | v0xx | can i do it after i install? |
| 12:48.58 | gionnico | remove gnome seems the only possible solution. or reinstall from cd. |
| 12:49.04 | v0xx | or do i have to do it during install? |
| 12:49.06 | nkuttler | gionnico: well, personally, i'd just let aptitude remove the gnome stuff because i don't use gnome anyway.. |
| 12:49.08 | gionnico | with remove gnome at least all configs will stay in place i think |
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| 12:49.35 | gionnico | ok i accepted aptitude -f install 1st solution (that on pastebin). let's see if it works |
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| 12:50.18 | jelly-home | gionnico: you can guide aptitude to a different solution: note the number next to warning about removing 46) gnome |
| 12:50.20 | nkuttler | gionnico: notice that that also removes gdm. so you might only have a command line left |
| 12:50.27 | gionnico | by the way is it possible to keep gnome2 on testing? |
| 12:50.42 | nkuttler | gionnico: not really, no |
| 12:50.58 | arghx | gionnico: why do you want testing in the first place then? |
| 12:50.58 | gionnico | yes i already only have command line. x didn't start ;) |
| 12:51.01 | jelly-home | gionnico: at the "Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] " prompt, you can tell aptitude "r 46", which means you reject the action of removing gnome |
| 12:51.12 | gionnico | arghx, much useful stuff for video editing mainly |
| 12:51.16 | nkuttler | heh if you don't have x anyway... who cares about gnome |
| 12:51.22 | jelly-home | gionnico: then say "n" to let aptitude try find a different solution |
| 12:51.51 | gionnico | jelly-home, ah .. so you can instruct it with a bisection to the only acceptable solution |
| 12:51.51 | gionnico | smart! |
| 12:51.53 | v0xx | erm |
| 12:51.56 | v0xx | anyone? |
| 12:52.01 | v0xx | i'm kinda confused |
| 12:52.10 | jelly-home | it's not a bisection, but yes |
| 12:52.14 | v0xx | is there a difference between encrypting the swap file and the hard drive? |
| 12:52.22 | v0xx | or between the swap file and the file system? |
| 12:52.25 | jelly-home | the solution space is much more than 1 dimensional |
| 12:52.29 | v0xx | i just want everything entirely secure |
| 12:52.42 | v0xx | i figure that means the entire hard drive... |
| 12:52.52 | jelly-home | gionnico: "?" to show other commands |
| 12:52.52 | v0xx | but that leaves the RAM |
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| 12:52.58 | gionnico | jelly-home, yep ^^ call it poli-section |
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| 12:53.01 | v0xx | should i encrypt the swap space and the hard drive? |
| 12:53.22 | gionnico | v0xx, yes. i'd encrypt in order of importance: 1) swap 2) swap+hard drive |
| 12:53.31 | v0xx | ok, great, i'll do both |
| 12:53.43 | v0xx | can i do them after installation, or does it have to be during? |
| 12:53.50 | coolguy4 | exit |
| 12:53.53 | gionnico | hard drive encryption makes sense only if you fear you computer can be phisically reached |
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| 12:53.58 | v0xx | yes |
| 12:54.03 | gionnico | v0xx, during is better (easier) |
| 12:54.04 | v0xx | i fear my computer can be |
| 12:54.08 | v0xx | ok |
| 12:54.19 | gionnico | but you can encrypt when you want with a live cd and a temporary drive to store / contents |
| 12:54.25 | v0xx | but, is the tool included in the debian install disc the best tool to use for such encryption? |
| 12:54.37 | v0xx | oh ok |
| 12:54.45 | v0xx | eh, i'll just do it during install |
| 12:55.01 | gionnico | but the tool during install is quite standard. dmcrypt+LUKS |
| 12:55.08 | v0xx | oh ok, dmcrypt |
| 12:55.12 | v0xx | and LUKS |
| 12:55.16 | v0xx | isnt there a better option though? |
| 12:55.17 | gionnico | security depends on what chiper you choose and .. of course the passphrase |
| 12:55.22 | v0xx | i seem to recall a |
| 12:55.23 | v0xx | hmm |
| 12:55.27 | v0xx | jsec |
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| 12:55.32 | boudiccas | v0xx; dont encrypt boot |
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| 12:56.04 | gionnico | you can not use LUKS because it stores some information about encryption type in the disk. and it also stores the (encrypted) encryption key so you are paranoid just use dmcrypt |
| 12:56.14 | Iridos | was there any agreement what the best solution to the gdm3 xauthority debacle? I finally got at a point where it bit me... |
| 12:56.16 | gionnico | i'm not sure the debian installer can, though.. |
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| 12:56.34 | gionnico | you can also access to the command line when installing |
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| 12:58.37 | Iridos | xauth -f $HOME/.Xauthority merge $XAUTHORITY in .xinitrc? |
| 12:58.42 | v0xx | hmm |
| 12:58.43 | v0xx | ok |
| 12:59.01 | v0xx | would GBDE or GELI be more secure than dm-crypt with LUKS? |
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| 12:59.41 | v0xx | those were the two i was thinking of, with openbsd |
| 12:59.54 | v0xx | vs debian with dmcrypt and LUKS |
| 13:00.03 | v0xx | i mean |
| 13:00.12 | v0xx | i guess the question is, can i make debian as secure as openbsd? |
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| 13:00.37 | v0xx | boudiccas: why not? i was planning on it |
| 13:01.08 | gionnico | v0xx, you can't boot if you encrypt boot (if your bios doesn't support it) |
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| 13:01.25 | gionnico | the best you can do is REMOVE boot (like store it in a usb device, unencrypted) |
| 13:01.55 | boudiccas | v0xx; if you encrypt boot then you will be asked for your password every time you try to access the boot sequence, and then , i believe, also acsked for your password when you enter / |
| 13:02.04 | v0xx | thats fine |
| 13:02.14 | v0xx | i prefer security over convenience in every scenario |
| 13:02.21 | xand | puts v0xx in jail |
| 13:02.26 | xand | nice and secure there |
| 13:02.26 | v0xx | i think it supports it, i cant be sure |
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| 13:02.36 | v0xx | it is xand, but thats limiting freedom :/ |
| 13:02.44 | walle | any one? |
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| 13:02.52 | xand | security over convenience remember |
| 13:02.53 | walle | any one in US? |
| 13:03.02 | boudiccas | walle; anyone what? |
| 13:03.03 | xand | walle: yes, 300 million or so |
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| 13:03.07 | v0xx | convenience =! freedome |
| 13:03.10 | v0xx | -e |
| 13:03.17 | geeky | hi |
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| 13:03.29 | walle | boudiccas: could you help me to download a program named 'freegate' |
| 13:03.40 | v0xx | hmm |
| 13:03.42 | boudiccas | walle; why cant you d/l it? |
| 13:04.00 | walle | boudiccas xand : i'm in china, so you know fuck GFW!!! |
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| 13:04.01 | v0xx | gionnico: i fear i may lose the usb drive |
| 13:04.06 | v0xx | so, i will leave it on there |
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| 13:04.24 | gionnico | v0xx, you have to have a bootloader that asks you the password, that's the point |
| 13:04.26 | walle | boudiccas xand : I can not access some website outside GFW |
| 13:04.30 | gionnico | the bootloader can't be encrypted |
| 13:04.38 | v0xx | mhm, i know |
| 13:04.41 | gionnico | so why have a bootloader that decrypts the bootloader that decrypts root? |
| 13:04.47 | v0xx | i guess i kinda misinterpreted what he said |
| 13:04.51 | walle | boudiccas xand : also , I can not download freegate by myself... |
| 13:04.59 | gionnico | just leave /boot unencrypted, it doesn't contain anything sensitive |
| 13:05.04 | boudiccas | walle; whats the url? |
| 13:05.05 | v0xx | right |
| 13:05.08 | v0xx | my mistake |
| 13:05.25 | boudiccas | v0xx; thats what i was trying to tell you |
| 13:05.31 | walle | boudiccas: I download know, you can search on google with key word 'freegate', the first is it |
| 13:05.31 | v0xx | so, during the setup, i can implement dmcrypt + LUKS |
| 13:05.52 | walle | boudiccas: then download it send to my mail dpcmain@gmail.com |
| 13:05.55 | v0xx | boudiccas: yea, i dont think anyone really encrypts the bootloader |
| 13:05.55 | nico_le_terrible | hi guys ! |
| 13:05.58 | walle | boudiccas: thanks very very much :-) |
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| 13:06.10 | v0xx | i had it confused with encrypting the drive |
| 13:06.14 | v0xx | just my mistake |
| 13:06.17 | nico_le_terrible | I'm trying to install debian-armel on a img for qemu |
| 13:06.33 | v0xx | hmm |
| 13:06.35 | nico_le_terrible | but qemu won't start on the netinstall iso from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/armel/iso-cd/ |
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| 13:07.43 | v0xx | so i can encrypt the disk + swap file from setup, using dm-crypt and LUKS |
| 13:07.53 | v0xx | If you choose guided partitioning using (encrypted) LVM, the installer will also create a separate /boot partition. The other partitions, including the swap partition, will be created inside the LVM partition. |
| 13:07.55 | v0xx | ohh ok |
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| 13:08.18 | boudiccas | walle; pm me your email addie and i'll mail it to you. but it looks like its only for ms windows |
| 13:08.22 | gionnico | yep it also use LVM overlay by default.. |
| 13:08.36 | walle | boudiccas: all people in china want to fuck GFW, it's really a bad program in china, GFW waste me a lot of time !!! |
| 13:08.59 | v0xx | thanks gionnico |
| 13:09.03 | walle | boudiccas: may be right, i need windows install file. |
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| 13:09.13 | boudiccas | walle; pm me your email addie and i'll mail it to you. but it looks like its only for ms windows |
| 13:09.20 | walle | boudiccas: on GNU/Linux, i have give up to GFW |
| 13:09.34 | walle | boudiccas: I think on GNU/Linux i need tor |
| 13:09.37 | boudiccas | walle; last chance ........... walle; pm me your email addie and i'll mail it to you. but it looks like its only for ms windows |
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| 13:09.54 | walle | boudiccas: dpcmain@gmail.com |
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| 13:10.13 | walle | boudiccas: thank you very very very much |
| 13:10.28 | boudiccas | walle; look, shut up and let me do it! |
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| 13:12.32 | boudiccas | walle; right done. its only 1.7mbs |
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| 13:12.54 | mortne | Why can I not ping my gateway (or anything else) from my freshly installed wheezy-box? http://pastebin.com/gAnajhQ3 |
| 13:13.07 | v0xx | hmm |
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| 13:13.33 | v0xx | selinux or grsecurity? |
| 13:13.43 | boudiccas | walle; let me know when you've got it, and then let me know if its not the one that you want/need |
| 13:13.43 | v0xx | which one is more secure, in your guys' opinion? |
| 13:15.25 | matthieu637 | hi, i'm trying to write an OR RewriteCond in my apache2, but it didn't work, can you help me ? minimalist code : http://pastebin.com/mhpnFX8H |
| 13:16.12 | arghx | mortne: cause you set up everything wrong maybe? e.g. the gateway IP doesn't exist, etc |
| 13:16.52 | arghx | mortne: with static IP setup you must make sure everything is exactly as you set it up. also check if your NIC gets a connection via dmesg |
| 13:17.37 | mortne | arghx: the gateway can be pinged from other machines on the same network. I was hoping something obvious caught the eye in the pastebin? |
| 13:17.53 | gentz | Root terminal doesn't open in debian. How can I get this to work? |
| 13:18.04 | mortne | arghx: will try to revert to dhcp.. |
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| 13:19.59 | edogawaconan | hello |
| 13:20.03 | walle | bocaneri: complte? |
| 13:20.18 | edogawaconan | I'm trying to install fglrx-* from backports |
| 13:20.23 | walle | bocaneri: my network is bad. have you complete? |
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| 13:20.42 | edogawaconan | but doesn't seem possible using `apt-get -t squeeze-backports install fglrx-glx` |
| 13:21.03 | edogawaconan | it kept offering me the one from non-backport |
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| 13:21.30 | walle | boudiccas: hi |
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| 13:21.44 | boudiccas | walle; hello |
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| 13:21.53 | walle | boudiccas: have you complete? |
| 13:22.21 | boudiccas | walle; i've sent it to that email addie |
| 13:22.43 | walle | boudiccas: but i have not recv it... |
| 13:22.55 | walle | boudiccas: dpcmain@gmail.com right? |
| 13:22.56 | boudiccas | walle; not my problem |
| 13:23.06 | boudiccas | walle; yes |
| 13:23.17 | walle | boudiccas: .... let me wait |
| 13:23.49 | walle | boudiccas: may be gmail delay |
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| 13:25.50 | edogawaconan | o welp it's only available for amd64 http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/fglrx-driver |
| 13:25.51 | edogawaconan | wtf? |
| 13:25.52 | v0xx | hmm |
| 13:26.03 | v0xx | anyone know if LIDS or systrace would interfere with grsecurity? |
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| 13:27.32 | v0xx | or really just systrace |
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| 13:28.28 | walle | boudiccas: i have not recv it... |
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| 13:28.59 | walle | boudiccas: do you make the package name as 'freegate'.* |
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| 13:30.26 | walle | boudiccas: I give up.... fuck GFW！！！！！！！！！！！！ |
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| 13:38.47 | webczat | Hey, I wanted to regenerate the iso image, slightly modified, but not sure how to do it. |
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| 13:41.13 | knob | Hello... I'm running my first Debian server. I installed emacs via apt-get install emacs... then I ran apt-get updates |
| 13:41.25 | knob | yet when I type emacs in the command line, it doesn't run |
| 13:41.29 | knob | do I have to reboot? |
| 13:41.57 | elgaton | knob: No - could you please open a terminal and type "which emacs"? |
| 13:41.58 | boudiccas | knob; no ! did you install emacs under root? |
| 13:42.08 | knob | yeah... root |
| 13:42.23 | knob | which emacs returned nothing |
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| 13:42.27 | knob | did I mess it up already? |
| 13:42.36 | boudiccas | knob; open konsole and just type ..... emacs. |
| 13:42.58 | knob | Well, the server is in Rackspace cloud... so at the moment, I'm going into via terminal |
| 13:43.08 | AVRS | Hi. I am using "testing", and today updated libgtk2, which I think was available for a couple of days. Now irssi's Alt-number keys don't work in Xfce4 terminal. They do work in GNOME terminal. |
| 13:43.37 | knob | That was another: How could I make a remote connection to Konsole? First, install Konsole via terminal, yet then... how would I go into the server's Konsole? |
| 13:43.46 | AVRS | I found this report http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=645165 , which is not helpful for that, although maybe it helped to change <Control> to <Primary> |
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| 13:45.42 | elgaton | knob: Should not be necessary, running emacs from the terminal should usually work, no need to install Konsole - very strange that typing "emacs" does nothing... |
| 13:45.46 | boudiccas | knob; if you havent got konsole, just type 'emacs' into a terminal and say what reply you get |
| 13:46.42 | knob | when I type emacs (I'm logging in via PuTTY), I get back -bash: emacs: command not found |
| 13:46.44 | gentz | I'd like to store my password ina keyring and load root terminals by default so i dont have to sudo su everytime. how can i do this? |
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| 13:47.36 | boudiccas | knob; try ..... sudo apt-get install emacs ........... and it should install it, plus any other dependencies |
| 13:47.49 | knob | on my way =) |
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| 13:49.05 | knob | Yup! That did it! =) |
| 13:49.15 | knob | and to learn... the difference was the sudo in there |
| 13:49.20 | xand | emacs. |
| 13:49.21 | xand | :( |
| 13:49.27 | knob | Should I run that next time I'm about to install something? |
| 13:49.28 | boudiccas | knob; so when you tried before, you werent doing it as root then |
| 13:49.34 | boudiccas | knob; yes |
| 13:50.07 | knob | ahh.... Sorry for my n00bness... yet I logged in as root... does that mean that even though, the system wasn't treating my user as root? |
| 13:50.11 | knob | Security feature? |
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| 13:50.45 | boudiccas | knob; how do you know that you were logged in as root? afaik you cant do that in debian |
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| 13:51.44 | knob | Hmm... interesting. Well, yesterday I bought the smallest instance of a server in the Rackspace cloud thing, and when I selected Debian to install, it ran all the processes... and at the end, told me ((Rackspace msg)): Record root / Administrator Password |
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| 13:52.24 | knob | And there was a bunch of characters... so now, when I hit the server's IP with PuTTY, I used "root", and then placed that string of characters in there |
| 13:52.24 | boudiccas | knob; that is just setting the password for root, not that you were logged in as root |
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| 13:53.02 | knob | Ohhh |
| 13:53.16 | knob | Ok ok... little by little learning more =) |
| 13:53.17 | knob | thanks |
| 13:53.23 | boudiccas | knob; np |
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| 13:53.54 | gentz | phlak_user: i'm using kde & i want to store my sudo password ina keyring. so that whenever i start a terminal it is immediately opened as a root terminal. |
| 13:53.57 | Rezn0rNInchNails | Hello. I have t sinus 111 pcmcia wlan card. I installed debian over network and also linux-wlan-ng, ndiswrapper, wireless-tools. When I type iwconfig it shows wlan0 and when unplug it says no wireless extensions, so the card seems to be recognized, but no LED indicators are ON. So does that mean that driver is wrong or I can ignore this issue? On windows xp indicators turn on on startup. How can I configure network from terminal? My home wlan netwo |
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| 13:55.00 | boudiccas | Rezn0rNInchNails; your message got cut off, please continue from the cutoff point |
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| 13:57.01 | Rezn0rNInchNails | Ok. My pcmcia card is recognized by iwconfig but indicators are off. Is it normal? How can i configure it via lxterminal? |
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| 13:58.19 | Rezn0rNInchNails | On windows xp indicators are blinking on startup. |
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| 13:59.06 | karl | hi, would anyone have an idea why i have this file: ls -lah /var/run/crond.reboot |
| 13:59.06 | Guest29124 | ---------- 1 root root 0 20. Nov 00:52 /var/run/crond.reboot |
| 13:59.20 | Rezn0rNInchNails | Card is t sinus 111 pcmcia and laptop is toshiba 4090xcdt runing debian squezze with xfce. |
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| 13:59.32 | Guest29124 | it does not seem to have any permissions and creates problems in a backup run |
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| 13:59.41 | ginpb | hi |
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| 13:59.59 | ginpb | I have some troubles with gdm3 and gnome3 |
| 14:00.03 | StephenS | i have a question when I add a new keyboard shortcut for htop in name i wrote bla and in command htop and it wont execute |
| 14:00.06 | ginpb | someone can helpme |
| 14:00.08 | StephenS | whats wrong? |
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| 14:01.10 | ginpb | gnoem 3 doesn't start i get this error: gnome-session[13021]: GLib-GIO-ERROR: Settings schema 'org.gnome.SessionManager' is not installed |
| 14:01.59 | ginpb | I try to reinstall gdm3 gnome-session gnome-session-fallback and nothing |
| 14:01.59 | simonlnu | rather large clue on what you need to do... |
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| 14:02.17 | Emery | Is Gnome3 in wheezy yet ? |
| 14:02.26 | ginpb | yes |
| 14:02.37 | Emery | Excellent |
| 14:03.37 | ginpb | also i try to do glib-compile-schemas /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas |
| 14:03.49 | ginpb | but still gnome 3 is not working |
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| 14:03.58 | Emery | Is it working in fallback mode? |
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| 14:04.02 | ginpb | sotty gdm3 |
| 14:04.08 | ginpb | sorry |
| 14:04.23 | gcmalloc | someone knows how to handle the discharging of two battery in an eavenly rate ? |
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| 14:04.35 | ginpb | gnome-session start if I run gnome-session from a tty, but it doesn't start from gdm3 |
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| 14:04.44 | ginpb | neither fallback |
| 14:04.47 | Emery | uhm |
| 14:04.53 | Emery | so the gnome desktop works |
| 14:04.58 | ginpb | yes |
| 14:04.59 | boudiccas | gcmalloc; that doesnt sound like a debian queastion, please try #hardware |
| 14:05.07 | Emery | OK. |
| 14:05.07 | gcmalloc | ok thanks :) |
| 14:05.39 | ginpb | Emery do you have any idea? |
| 14:05.54 | Emery | fraid not my friend |
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| 14:06.26 | ginpb | thanks anyway. |
| 14:06.40 | Guest29124 | any help with my rogue crond.reboot file ? |
| 14:06.46 | Emery | I've only jus learnt Gnome3 is in wheezy |
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| 14:07.37 | simonlnu | Guest29124: anything wrong with just settings some perms on it? what sort of file does `'file' think it is? |
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| 14:08.46 | Guest29124 | it gets re-created upon reboot |
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| 14:09.27 | Guest29124 | file crond.reboot |
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| 14:09.27 | Guest29124 | crond.reboot: empty |
| 14:09.43 | simonlnu | Guest29124: what version of debian? |
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| 14:10.03 | Guest29124 | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:10.04 | Guest29124 | 6.0.1 |
| 14:10.32 | simonlnu | Guest29124: well, i have that too, and don't have issues with cronjobs |
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| 14:11.41 | simonlnu | just indicates when it last rebooted |
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| 14:12.04 | Carnage | how do I install debian from an external hard drive? |
| 14:12.28 | Carnage | I assume it would be as simple as extracting the dvd iso onto the drive and booting from it |
| 14:12.47 | Carnage | but it seems I'm missing something as I get the error: BOOTMGR is missing |
| 14:12.53 | xand | that will not work |
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| 14:13.01 | Emery | Carnage unetbootin. |
| 14:13.04 | xand | Carnage: dd it |
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| 14:13.21 | xand | at least for USB drives, dd if=blah.iso of=/dev/sdX |
| 14:13.22 | xand | for example |
| 14:13.31 | Emery | or unetbootin |
| 14:13.39 | Emery | why make things difficult |
| 14:13.46 | xand | dd is trivial. |
| 14:13.50 | Carnage | that would be realy easy if I wasn't creating the install medium from windows. . . |
| 14:13.58 | Guest29124 | hmm, i assumed it should not exist, as per http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=crond.reboot%20&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbugs.debian.org%2F99160&ei=ofLQTsmxG6Lm4QSOgKVF&usg=AFQjCNEZqqcAIGCLgR2Njnqfd3Q7dowRFQ&cad=rja |
| 14:14.02 | webczat | I tried to modify the debian's netinstall cdrom. What's the reason the cdrom boots but the installer says it's not a debian cd? some errors with making the iso image? |
| 14:14.09 | Emery | carnage there is a unetbootin for linux/mac/windows |
| 14:14.22 | Carnage | I shall have a google. |
| 14:14.31 | Emery | go for it ! |
| 14:15.03 | Guest29124 | it creates a problem when i try to rsync a root-backup : rsync: send_files failed to open "/mnt/raid1/backup/VBox_Backups/ka.org/ka.org.backup/daily.0/ka.org/root/root-snapshot/var/run/crond.reboot": Permission denied (13) |
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| 14:15.59 | anonarmy316 | whats up beautiful people present here?? |
| 14:16.01 | anonarmy316 | hw r u all ?? |
| 14:16.07 | anonarmy316 | i hope all well |
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| 14:17.31 | anonarmy316 | hey guys |
| 14:17.36 | anonarmy316 | hws everyone |
| 14:17.40 | anonarmy316 | Hi to u all |
| 14:17.55 | simonlnu | Guest29124: you can set that so you can skip it |
| 14:18.11 | anonarmy316 | y is debians so silent |
| 14:18.17 | simonlnu | anonarmy316: it's not a chat channel here, it's a support channel. do you have a debian question? |
| 14:18.17 | anonarmy316 | lets rock guys |
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| 14:18.19 | xand | !u |
| 14:18.20 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 14:18.35 | xand | anonarmy316: this isn't a general social channel |
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| 14:18.44 | anonarmy316 | m very sry guys |
| 14:18.47 | anonarmy316 | no chat |
| 14:18.50 | anonarmy316 | hands up |
| 14:18.55 | anonarmy316 | ;-) |
| 14:18.57 | Guest29124 | yep i think i will just exclude /var/run from the backup |
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| 14:19.14 | anonarmy316 | ne one ready to help for samba |
| 14:19.21 | simonlnu | Guest29124: yes. certain dirs shouldn't be backed up |
| 14:19.27 | anonarmy316 | actually cant mount using smbmount |
| 14:19.49 | anonarmy316 | all patch and things are working fine |
| 14:19.53 | anonarmy316 | still cant connect using samba |
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| 14:20.13 | anonarmy316 | that is cannot mount my remote drive windows drive to my linux machine |
| 14:20.20 | anonarmy316 | some networking problem |
| 14:20.22 | anonarmy316 | i suppose |
| 14:20.26 | anonarmy316 | ne bodya have some clue |
| 14:20.29 | anonarmy316 | help me out |
| 14:20.30 | anonarmy316 | then |
| 14:20.36 | anonarmy316 | now m nt chatting guys |
| 14:20.37 | anonarmy316 | ryt |
| 14:20.37 | boudiccas | anonarmy316; what version of debian are you using? |
| 14:20.40 | anonarmy316 | my dear fnds |
| 14:20.46 | anonarmy316 | 2.6 |
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| 14:21.13 | Guest29124 | is excluding /dev, /proc, /sys, and /var/run ok for a full root-backup ? |
| 14:21.34 | boudiccas | anonarmy316; 2.6, thats ancient! please run .......... cat /etc/debian_version ......... and paste the result in channel |
| 14:21.38 | anonarmy316 | actaually i m using an old sammba version |
| 14:21.47 | thelastninja | anonarmy316: debian 2.6 is very old, please use a newer one like 6.0 |
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| 14:23.11 | tjoy | is there any hope of running an rpmbuild process on debian? |
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| 14:24.06 | tjoy | i have a source archive, there are provisions for building rpms, but not debs |
| 14:24.07 | gionnico | hi |
| 14:24.08 | boudiccas | tjoy; doubtful. debian uses deb files, centos.redhat, mandriva all use rpms, but not debian |
| 14:24.10 | tjoy | i'd rather not switch over to centos |
| 14:24.13 | gionnico | can I install vlc-1.2 in debian testing ? |
| 14:24.22 | tjoy | but i will if i have to |
| 14:24.34 | mortne | For squeeze, I used 'apt-get install linux-image-openvz-686'.. What would I use for wheezy? |
| 14:25.29 | Carnage | unetbootin doesn't recognise my external drive any suggestions? |
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| 14:25.41 | simonlnu | Guest29124: yes, /dev is managed by udev mostly, and /proc and /sys are dynamic |
| 14:26.06 | simonlnu | dynamic, more like pseudo-filesystems |
| 14:26.35 | tjoy | i found a project to process the rpmbuild files, https://secure.deepnet.cx/trac/debbuild |
| 14:26.45 | tjoy | just in case someone comes along searching for this (hi!) |
| 14:26.45 | mortne | "apt-cache search linux-image | grep vz" gives me a -2.6.32 kernel.. But uname -r says '3.1.0-1-686-pae', so that wouldn't work, would it? |
| 14:27.41 | Guest29124 | thanks, done that, lets see if that works |
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| 14:33.42 | kosnick | hello everyone, just install deban to eeepc 1000h and i have problem with wireless, anyone able to give a hand? |
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| 14:35.30 | mortne | kosnick: No, probably not, but try asking your question, then you will know for sure |
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| 14:35.37 | tjoy | mortne: yes, do spit it out |
| 14:36.43 | kosnick | well it seems that i am able to turn on and off the wireless (through the Fn + F2 combinatino) but i get no result. Some guidance maybe? |
| 14:37.25 | tjoy | you should find out the chipset of your wirless card and the steps to activate it under linux |
| 14:37.44 | tjoy | is this within the installer? |
| 14:37.55 | tjoy | or are you working on an installed system? |
| 14:37.56 | himmelstrutz | could someone recommend a music player that works well with last.fm? the function I'm missing is mostly that while playing one song the player recommend other artists/groups like the song that I'm playing for the moment. this worked like a charm, in old amarok 1.4, but I have never used any good music player after it. |
| 14:39.06 | gcmalloc | mpd with plugin ? |
| 14:39.24 | kosnick | tjoy: installed system |
| 14:39.48 | iaj | When I use find foo bar -iname '*.txt' how could I avoid files that have a % in them? |
| 14:40.11 | mortne | Does anyone know where to find out when updates are expected to make it to the package updates? (openvz's vzctl package has a problem in the current version in squeeze) |
| 14:40.51 | boudiccas | himmelstrutz; clementine |
| 14:41.25 | mortne | iaj: find -iregex? |
| 14:41.32 | himmelstrutz | boudiccas, im using clementine, but it doesn't show the recommendations.... |
| 14:41.45 | tjoy | kosnick: make the kernel talk to the device, then make whatever wireless management tool you're using talk to the kernel. |
| 14:41.52 | kosnick | ok just solved it, had to install firmware-ralink, thanks for your time everyone |
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| 14:41.57 | boudiccas | himmelstrutz; are you using the most uptodate clementine from their website? |
| 14:42.11 | kosnick | just hope that now it will keep setting and stuff after reboot |
| 14:42.35 | himmelstrutz | boudiccas, yes indeed. just installed 0.7. |
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| 14:43.31 | boudiccas | himmelstrutz; fair enough |
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| 14:44.12 | iaj | mortne: hmmm... additionaly set an -iregex? How would that regex look like? |
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| 14:45.23 | gionnico | Is it possible to install vlc-1.2.0_pre1 in debian? |
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| 14:46.03 | tjoy | gionnico: is that the latest version of vlc? |
| 14:46.04 | boudiccas | ,versions vlc |
| 14:46.05 | judd | Package: vlc on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; wheezy: 1.1.12-2+b1; sid: 1.1.12-3; wheezy-multimedia: 1:1.1.12-0.1; sid-multimedia: 1:1.1.12-0.2 |
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| 14:46.17 | tjoy | you'll probably have to build it from souce |
| 14:46.20 | tjoy | source |
| 14:46.22 | gionnico | tjoy, it's still a pre-release |
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| 14:46.37 | gionnico | but it introduces hw acceleration for GPU that I need to watch HD videos |
| 14:46.53 | gionnico | ok build from source |
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| 14:47.05 | gionnico | apt-get depbuild vlc first? |
| 14:47.15 | tjoy | vlc should have their own guide to what you need |
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| 14:47.31 | tjoy | 'apt-get build-dep vlc' should be a good start though |
| 14:47.40 | boudiccas | gionnico; i reckon that you'll be in dependency hell with trying to use such cutting edge software |
| 14:47.46 | tjoy | that, too |
| 14:47.49 | tjoy | prepare for failure |
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| 14:51.03 | huio | Hi people. I have a big problem. I untared a big file. The computer freezed. I restarted, the computer. The filesystem check failed, but i can continue. I tried to delete the huge amount of files, but the filesystem is readonly. Can someone help me? |
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| 14:52.50 | huio | I'm using debian stable, everything default (filesystem, gnome, ...). Debian is my only os. |
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| 14:53.16 | gionnico | apt-get build-dep vlc says "chosen vlc-dmo as source package instead of vlc. E: can't find vlc-dmo source package" |
| 14:53.20 | jcdury | huio: great |
| 14:53.40 | mortne | iaj: hard to negate.. Is the percent mark placed at the same position for all files? |
| 14:54.00 | maxmati | Hi! I have samba as AD domain client but have problem with shares because can't do any writes on it or acl changes. here is my config http://wklej.org/id/634930/ Can anyone help? |
| 14:54.36 | iaj | mortne: nah just somewhere in the filename |
| 14:54.51 | mortne | iaj: find iname | grep -v '%' would work |
| 14:55.18 | iaj | mortne: yeah that would be my solution as well, I was hoping to find a regex for it that I can hand to find |
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| 14:55.50 | gionnico | Picking 'vlc-dmo' as source package instead of 'vlc' |
| 14:55.57 | gionnico | why and how to tell to really use vlc ? |
| 14:56.15 | valdyn | gionnico: whats your hardware that you want to use for decoding? |
| 14:56.34 | gionnico | nvidia GT8xxx. |
| 14:56.38 | gionnico | it does support vaapi |
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| 14:56.51 | valdyn | gionnico: where does it? since when? |
| 14:56.55 | dury | huio: hi there |
| 14:57.03 | valdyn | gionnico: i just tried, does not seem to work with vlc |
| 14:57.21 | gionnico | valdyn, latest nvidia driver. valdyn i didn't manage to make it work with debian squeeze |
| 14:57.33 | valdyn | gionnico: works beautifully with mplayer -vo vdpau |
| 14:57.51 | gionnico | so i'm on wheezy now and i'd like to try there, too. but i have to compile from git |
| 14:57.58 | valdyn | gionnico: im on sid, im trying the sid version and latest nvidia drivers, vlc does not support this combo |
| 14:57.58 | huio | dury: hi |
| 14:58.11 | dury | there is nothing like linux :) |
| 14:58.12 | valdyn | gionnico: youre better off using mplayer -vo vdpau |
| 14:58.13 | gionnico | valdyn, you need at least vlc-1.2.0_pre1 .. |
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| 14:58.29 | gionnico | and then go to preferences->codecs->ffmpeg and enable explicitly "hardware decode" |
| 14:58.37 | valdyn | gionnico: ok, I see, to much work when i can get the same with mplayer |
| 14:58.42 | valdyn | gionnico: i enabled that yes |
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| 14:58.59 | dury | huio: you only use debian? |
| 14:59.03 | gionnico | valdyn, but it's not graphical and i need the control buttons |
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| 14:59.19 | valdyn | gionnico: gmplayer is quite graphical |
| 14:59.43 | gionnico | gmplayer is gone.. |
| 14:59.56 | valdyn | gionnico: really? works fine for me |
| 15:00.07 | boudiccas | ,versions gmplayer |
| 15:00.08 | judd | No package named 'gmplayer' was found in i386. |
| 15:00.20 | valdyn | gmplayer is not and never was a seperate package |
| 15:00.29 | huio | dury: yes |
| 15:01.32 | gionnico | valdyn, but latest mplayers dont provide gmplayer anymore.. |
| 15:01.51 | valdyn | gionnico: im using the latest |
| 15:02.10 | valdyn | gionnico: but I dont know why id need the latest, this worked fine for years already |
| 15:02.57 | gionnico | well gpu acceleration is quite new. yes it's been out there for a while for nvidia cards |
| 15:03.02 | gionnico | but for intel and ati it's new |
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| 15:04.44 | valdyn | gionnico: yea, but you have an nvidia card... |
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| 15:09.21 | dury | helly: comment êtes-vous? |
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| 15:09.48 | nico_le_terrible | grand blond yeux bleu ? |
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| 15:10.57 | dury | hahahaha |
| 15:11.05 | helly | Hu ? |
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| 15:12.23 | StephenS | how can I setup google public dns 8.8.8.8 on my debian ? |
| 15:12.54 | dury | comment ca va? |
| 15:13.21 | valdyn | !nameserver |
| 15:13.22 | dpkg | A name server is a DNS server. It translates names to numbers. Can be assigned automatically with dhcp or see <resolv.conf> for setting them permanently. |
| 15:13.24 | xand | !french |
| 15:13.45 | xand | >:| |
| 15:14.10 | xand | StephenS: does /etc/resolv.conf mention network manager? |
| 15:14.24 | StephenS | nah system -> network -> dns tab |
| 15:14.27 | StephenS | should do the job |
| 15:14.28 | dury | un peu :) |
| 15:14.46 | xand | silly debian installer, claiming that an IP address "consists of four numbers separated by periods" |
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| 15:29.24 | kosnick | hello everyone, i used this http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallUsingStandardInstaller to install debian to a usb stick, but i gave as an option the wrong device ruining my had and all of my music. Is there any way of recovering the data? |
| 15:29.41 | kosnick | *hd |
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| 15:30.42 | Iridos | try magicrescue |
| 15:31.12 | boudiccas | restore from backup |
| 15:31.12 | pablo | all new packages must be done in sid? is there no other alternative or exception? |
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| 15:32.14 | Spaceghost | Hello. |
| 15:32.15 | Iridos | it searches through the whole disk for blocks beginning with certain "magic numbers" and will copy those somewhere else... as all files you want to restore are mp3, you probably can get pretty good results if nothing has been overwritten |
| 15:32.17 | Spaceghost | How can I know the version of Adoble Flash Player that I have? I am having problems and I think that Flash is the reason. |
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| 15:32.22 | Iridos | kosnick, ^^^ |
| 15:32.24 | Spaceghost | Can anyone help me? :( |
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| 15:32.56 | kosnick | boudiccas : yes right |
| 15:33.32 | kosnick | Iridos, thx |
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| 15:34.45 | Iridos | there's 2 pre-made receipes for mp3, it seems... /usr/share/magicrescue/recipes/mp3-id3v1 and /usr/share/magicrescue/recipes/mp3-id3v2 ... but well possible you have to write your own |
| 15:35.34 | Iridos | of course you'll lose filenames, but you can get back to sensible ones using the tags |
| 15:37.12 | Iridos | Spaceghost, if you're talking about the browser plugin... going to "about:plugins" with the browser should tell you for iceweasel/chromium what is in use right now... that should be the same as what you see with dpkg -l \*flash\* |grep ^ii |
| 15:37.35 | Iridos | (if it's not the same, you have a plugin installed privately in your home directory) |
| 15:37.48 | kosnick | Iridos: ok i will give it a try |
| 15:37.54 | kosnick | and let you know what happens |
| 15:37.56 | kosnick | thx |
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| 15:38.32 | xand | kosnick: you certainly won't be able to recover that which was overwritten |
| 15:38.51 | xand | make backups. |
| 15:39.10 | kosnick | xand : well the music was about 300 Gb but the iso of debian is about 200 mb so i hope for the rest |
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| 15:39.12 | kosnick | of it |
| 15:39.27 | Spaceghost | Iridos: thank you, I am having problems with flash and I am using 10.3.162.29, should I upgrade? |
| 15:39.37 | Spaceghost | Well, I don't know if flash is the reason. |
| 15:39.50 | Spaceghost | My system got frozen like 4th times in few days :( |
| 15:39.51 | Iridos | perhaps would help if you say what the problem is |
| 15:40.05 | xand | if it was my disk, I would make a copy of it using dd, and then recreate the partition table how it used to be, not format it, and see if it worked |
| 15:40.09 | Spaceghost | And the only solution was restart it by brute force with the shut down button. |
| 15:40.14 | xand | that has worked for me before |
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| 15:42.40 | Iridos | Spaceghost, are you sure the system is frozen or is it just X? Can you still log in via ssh? |
| 15:42.53 | Spaceghost | Iridos: I can't do anything. |
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| 15:43.08 | Spaceghost | Just one time I could move the pointer (mouse) but I can't click anything. |
| 15:43.31 | Spaceghost | The last time was frozen was the screensaver was going and it continous moving (the screensaver) I mean |
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| 15:43.42 | Spaceghost | It shows that isn't the image frozen only, right? |
| 15:43.51 | Spaceghost | Which could be a problem of the video card. |
| 15:43.57 | kosnick | xand : but you need to remember how it was ... |
| 15:43.59 | kosnick | i don't |
| 15:44.13 | xand | did you have multiple partitions? |
| 15:44.30 | kosnick | nope |
| 15:44.33 | kosnick | one ntfs |
| 15:44.38 | xand | oh, ntfs.... |
| 15:44.41 | xand | oh dear |
| 15:44.48 | kosnick | yes, exactly |
| 15:44.59 | kosnick | needed to read it "everywhere" |
| 15:45.14 | hoverbear | fat32 |
| 15:45.54 | Iridos | Spaceghost, log in from another computer over the network with ssh and try to see what goes wrong... you could also try hitting ctrl-alt-F1 to switch to a text console |
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| 15:46.20 | Iridos | Spaceghost, log in from another computer over the network with ssh and try to see what goes wrong... you could also try hitting ctrl-alt-F1 to switch to a text console |
| 15:46.26 | Spaceghost | Iridos: the problem appears randomly |
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| 15:46.46 | Spaceghost | and it will not so easy for me do that, I tried with the command to restart xorg and didn't work. |
| 15:46.46 | Iridos | yes... try to find out what's wrong whenever it happens |
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| 15:47.38 | Math^ | Hey guys, I'm trying to run a minecraft server, I've placed the init script in /etc/init.d/ but it doesn't run when rebooting my machine |
| 15:48.10 | Math^ | tho, when I run it manually /etc/init.d/minecraft_server start it works fine |
| 15:48.46 | Math^ | also got my irssi init script there, and runs fine... what am I missing? |
| 15:49.02 | Spaceghost | Well, I will see, thanks Iridos. |
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| 15:49.45 | Iridos | look what top and iotop say when it happens, also look for anything unusual at the time in dmesg... as it seems to be X, look at mmmh... /var/log/Xorg.0.log ...actually there should be another logfile linked to the session |
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| 15:51.07 | Math^ | I forgot to say I'm getting this message: update-rc.d: warning: minecraft_server stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match LSB Default-Stop values (0 1 2 6) |
| 15:51.14 | Math^ | what does this mean? |
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| 15:52.44 | simonlnu | take the message apart, one bit at a time, and you'll figure it out |
| 15:53.00 | Iridos | hehe |
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| 16:21.20 | chiques_ | uuuugh, I ventured out to install Debian instead of Ubuntu on my new PC and now it does not boot at all. |
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| 16:24.26 | Silent | Hello. |
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| 16:24.48 | Silent | When booting the Debian Squeeze am64 LiveUSB, how do I pass parameters to the bootloader? |
| 16:24.59 | Silent | amd64* |
| 16:27.01 | Silent | Could you at least tell me what bootloader is this? |
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| 16:34.02 | Spaceghost | Is any IM client that supports videoconferences without using Flash? |
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| 16:35.29 | Carnage | is samba the only program avaliable to make directories avaliable as windows shares? |
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| 16:36.04 | xand | Carnage: I believe so. |
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| 16:37.18 | Carnage | :( |
| 16:37.48 | Carnage | I'm looking for a simple way to setup each users home directory as a network share avaliable using their login credentials |
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| 16:41.53 | xand | Carnage: what's wrong with samba? |
| 16:42.00 | xand | it does that |
| 16:42.27 | hoverbear | Trying to figure out how to add boot parameters to debian.... Would I want /etc/default/grub... Or one of the /etc/grub.d files? |
| 16:42.46 | Hydroxide | hoverbear: /etc/default/grub, then rerun update-grub |
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| 16:43.01 | Carnage | I'm struggling to find a guide on how to go about setting that up |
| 16:43.14 | xand | Carnage: the [homes] part of smb.conf makes each user's home directory available |
| 16:43.20 | hoverbear | Hydroxide: Right on. I'll poke around. |
| 16:43.22 | hoverbear | Thanks |
| 16:43.25 | Hydroxide | np |
| 16:43.42 | xand | Carnage: it's in the config file by default, you might need to uncomment it |
| 16:44.07 | Carnage | will samba by default use the system logins? |
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| 16:44.20 | xand | you mean passwords? |
| 16:44.32 | Carnage | yea |
| 16:44.38 | xand | probably not |
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| 16:44.52 | Carnage | see that was the part I was struggling with |
| 16:46.39 | hoverbear | Hydroxide: I'm not seeing a place to drop in boot parameters... But /etc/grub.d/10_linux does have an ${args} place in it's linux section |
| 16:47.11 | simonlnu | hoverbear: /etc/default/grub; don't touch /etc/grub.d unless you have to |
| 16:47.18 | Elwon | Carnage: If I recall correctly it is also commented by default in the config. It should be pretty easy to setup. |
| 16:47.33 | hoverbear | simonlnu: Right, was just reading it seeing how it determines args :-P |
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| 16:48.23 | simonlnu | np |
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| 16:49.50 | Chilaquiles | hello guys I'm confused about how to install debian, I'm in the download page for the CD's that I need to install debian and it displays 14 CD's. DO I have to burn 14 CDs to install debian? |
| 16:50.06 | hoverbear | Chilaquiles: Nope that's the repo iirc. |
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| 16:50.32 | Chilaquiles | I want a debian fresh install |
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| 16:50.39 | Chilaquiles | what do you recommend me to download? |
| 16:50.41 | simonlnu | !netinst |
| 16:50.42 | dpkg | netinst is, like, a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 16:50.54 | Chilaquiles | the bad thing about it |
| 16:51.03 | Chilaquiles | is that my network card is not compatible with it |
| 16:51.04 | aleray | hi, i'd like to install python-nltk on debian squeeze, ut it is not in aptitude. Do you have any advice on how to proceed? |
| 16:51.22 | hoverbear | Chilaquiles: I had that problem too and used the net install then just used dpkg to install the wireless drivers |
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| 16:51.38 | simonlnu | Chilaquiles: get cd #1, then probably need to get a firmware package to make it work |
| 16:51.39 | Chilaquiles | I remember that one time I download an image that was about 600Mb (about a CD) |
| 16:51.52 | MilkGoneBad | cd 1 probably |
| 16:52.00 | simonlnu | that would be cd #1 |
| 16:52.09 | Chilaquiles | simonlnu: I heard that if you just installed CD 1 you still need to install the GUI |
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| 16:52.21 | hoverbear | Chilaquiles: That's easy enough |
| 16:52.24 | Chilaquiles | or you just have the command line |
| 16:52.32 | Chilaquiles | is that true? |
| 16:52.35 | hoverbear | sudo apt-get install gnome <-- Done |
| 16:52.42 | Chilaquiles | what? |
| 16:52.48 | simonlnu | Chilaquiles: need to, no. |
| 16:52.51 | Chilaquiles | but I didn't have to do that the last time |
| 16:52.57 | simonlnu | hoverbear: that doesn't install xorg |
| 16:53.05 | hoverbear | simonlnu: Right. Sorry. :-P |
| 16:53.06 | Chilaquiles | I just installed 1 CD and I have everything I needed |
| 16:53.21 | Chilaquiles | the GUI and everything |
| 16:53.35 | Chilaquiles | not all the programs of course |
| 16:53.44 | Chilaquiles | but the most basic software |
| 16:53.54 | Elwon | Pretty sure I used cd1 not so long ago and itgave me a choice of gui install, although I went without so I can't be 100%. |
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| 16:54.21 | ShinyDarkness | I just read this: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst, and now have a question: What are the differences between "small installation CDs" and "smaller installation CDs"? What comes with the former that does not come with the latter? |
| 16:54.35 | simonlnu | cd #1 is the most common and needed stuff. the gui is optional. gui install and text install are different (but do the same thing). |
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| 16:54.57 | simonlnu | ShinyDarkness: basic and very basic / essential ;) |
| 16:54.59 | Chilaquiles | simonlnu: so, you just get a command line if you just install CD 1? |
| 16:55.14 | MilkGoneBad | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ there is an unofficial net install with nonfree firmware listed on that page. |
| 16:55.17 | simonlnu | !cd contents |
| 16:55.18 | dpkg | To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/list-cd/). |
| 16:55.34 | simonlnu | Chilaquiles: ^^^ |
| 16:55.43 | ShinyDarkness | simonlnu: Thanks. |
| 16:56.01 | Chilaquiles | simonlnu: did you get that when you installed CD 1? |
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| 16:56.16 | simonlnu | also check out MilkGoneBad's link for the netinst + non-free firmware. you might need that. |
| 16:56.32 | simonlnu | i haven't done an installation in months ;) |
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| 16:57.24 | Chilaquiles | good, so that means that debian is pretty stable lol |
| 16:57.26 | Chilaquiles | haha |
| 16:58.26 | simonlnu | what i do usually is start out with netinst or full cd #1, then install the base (standard, essential, etc. tasks) stuff, then pick out what i need for that box after. |
| 16:59.06 | simonlnu | Chilaquiles: i have a coupla machines that have been running debian since 2003. no reinstall. |
| 16:59.09 | Chilaquiles | simonlnu: I still don't understand if the base includes a graphic environment |
| 16:59.52 | simonlnu | no it doesn't. ubuntu does that. debian and ubuntu have differeing ideas on what a base install is. |
| 17:00.00 | simonlnu | differing* |
| 17:00.16 | circa` | you can always pick the environment to install after the base install |
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| 17:00.28 | simonlnu | yep |
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| 17:01.06 | Chilaquiles | no, I remember I installed debian with one CD and I didn't have to install any graphic environment. Gnome was already installed |
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| 17:02.31 | Chilaquiles | and I also remember that CD was 600 MB too |
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| 17:02.57 | sickn3ss | just finished installing the Beta debian, can someone please point me at the official repos ? |
| 17:03.19 | simonlnu | Chilaquiles: i think you're confusing ubuntu with debian |
| 17:03.39 | Chilaquiles | no simonlnu: I have ubuntu and debian installed on this computer |
| 17:03.41 | simonlnu | or, you let it install the desktop task - which is the default |
| 17:03.50 | Elwon | Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think pre-squeeze cd1's shipped with a gui? But They removed it from squeeze due to size restrictions? |
| 17:03.52 | Chilaquiles | but debian doesn't work anymore, so thats why I have to re install |
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| 17:04.27 | circa` | might be easier to fix debian |
| 17:04.33 | simonlnu | indeed |
| 17:05.14 | circa` | you could always just get the base, then use apt to get x and gnome |
| 17:05.33 | circa` | if it doesnt get installed with the cd you have |
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| 17:05.56 | sickn3ss | can someone give me their source.list from a debian please ? need the repos I installed it from the CD |
| 17:06.21 | Chilaquiles | no, somebody was helping me to fix debian and we couldn't get it fix |
| 17:06.32 | Chilaquiles | it was all screwed up |
| 17:06.37 | simonlnu | what was the exact problem? |
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| 17:06.59 | simonlnu | !sources.list |
| 17:06.59 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 17:07.06 | Chilaquiles | I added unstable packages |
| 17:07.35 | simonlnu | yikes... that's a challenge for an experienced user... |
| 17:07.51 | Chilaquiles | I know |
| 17:07.54 | simonlnu | (mostly patience) |
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| 17:08.07 | Chilaquiles | and they told me was gonna be easier to re install |
| 17:08.14 | meder | my sources.list contains sid, why do i constantly have issues with package conflicts? should i get squeeze? |
| 17:08.31 | meder | if i try to grab 'ffmpeg' it tries to remove like 30 packages |
| 17:08.34 | meder | some of which are critical |
| 17:08.35 | sickn3ss | thanks simonlnu |
| 17:08.39 | simonlnu | meder: don't mix versions |
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| 17:08.49 | meder | so keep sid sid |
| 17:09.08 | xand | sid is unstable. |
| 17:09.17 | xand | don't use it unless you can cope with that |
| 17:09.20 | simonlnu | if there's an issue, then put stuff on hold and wait. and keep up to date |
| 17:09.32 | geggam | unstable debian is more stable than stable other_distro |
| 17:09.38 | xand | ha |
| 17:09.43 | geggam | sometimes i wish we would use different language |
| 17:09.44 | simonlnu | what xand said ;). otherwise just stick with wheezy |
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| 17:10.50 | simonlnu | because what's in sid ends up in testing, and that gets released after freezing and fixing stuff. |
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| 17:13.09 | simonlnu | thing is with unstable, it's not targetted for end users, and you're sort of expected to help fix things, like file bug reports |
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| 17:13.40 | Chilaquiles | ok, whatever I will install it from my old CD. What do you recommend me to do, if I have windows and ubuntu installed on this computer and I don't wanna loss them? |
| 17:13.42 | meder | o |
| 17:13.50 | simonlnu | every little bit helps make things better for everyone |
| 17:14.14 | simonlnu | even if it's something like a typo in a man page, or some other thing |
| 17:14.19 | circa` | Chilaquiles: what is your old cd? |
| 17:14.33 | geggam | Chilaquiles: ... if you are determined you can carefully remove most of the packages then add the packages back that you want |
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| 17:15.00 | Chilaquiles | geggam: I just want to get rid of the problem. I would prefer to re install |
| 17:15.01 | geggam | if you are comfortable CLI.. you can really rock with that |
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| 17:15.39 | geggam | then reinstall.. .jsut dont reformat when you reinstall... there potentially could be leftover crap that breaks things but my experience says that doesnt happen often |
| 17:15.42 | simonlnu | it's doable, but you might get subtle bugs due to downgrading |
| 17:16.06 | circa` | can you turn in into a vmware instance? |
| 17:16.13 | Chilaquiles | ok, so how can I keep my other 2 OS? |
| 17:16.18 | simonlnu | not for the cli shy ;) |
| 17:16.45 | geggam | i have more boxen without X than with... they run faster |
| 17:17.04 | Chilaquiles | heym just a question, does the live CD install debian? |
| 17:17.34 | Chilaquiles | maybe that was de CD I was looking for |
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| 17:17.57 | geggam | Chilaquiles: ... dont install on the partitions that have windows |
| 17:18.43 | Chilaquiles | I know that but then after installing debian it just goes to debian, and it doesn't show me other options |
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| 17:19.14 | geggam | right now do a fdisk -l /dev/sda ...assuming sda is your main drive |
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| 17:19.24 | geggam | take note of what is installed on what partition |
| 17:19.44 | geggam | then when you reinstall... dont install linux on the partitions you want to keep |
| 17:19.47 | geggam | easy as that |
| 17:19.53 | geggam | but its just as easy to break things |
| 17:19.57 | geggam | so backup ! |
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| 17:20.17 | Chilaquiles | ok how do I know what is my main drive? |
| 17:20.33 | geggam | type mount |
| 17:20.37 | circa` | is there a reason you need to install it as a host os? you could always play with it in vmware |
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| 17:20.45 | Chilaquiles | ok |
| 17:20.48 | Chilaquiles | I did |
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| 17:21.27 | Chilaquiles | now? |
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| 17:22.15 | tharkun | How would someone go around to changing locale without using dpkg-reconfigure locale ? |
| 17:23.12 | geggam | what do you see Chilaquiles ? |
| 17:23.20 | geggam | sda sdb ? |
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| 17:30.25 | simonlnu | tharkun: it's easier using debconf as it takes care of everything once configured |
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| 17:33.14 | raven | how to display code of a website in cmd/lynx? |
| 17:33.18 | Iridos | tharkun, what for? |
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| 17:33.41 | Iridos | you can always change locale in a single shell setting LANG accordingly |
| 17:34.02 | simonlnu | if it's built ;) |
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| 17:34.51 | Iridos | yes... that's why I ask "why".. can't imagine what else he might want |
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| 17:36.26 | simonlnu | someone to read his mind :P |
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| 17:37.51 | Iridos | ah... |
| 17:37.55 | Iridos | as usual, then |
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| 17:39.30 | tharkun | simonlnu: I know please don't ask the reasons I do feel sh...y for asking |
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| 17:40.07 | tharkun | Iridos: yes so far is a horrible hack to fix this isue but i wanted something more permanent |
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| 17:42.38 | tharkun | The word i was looking is persistance over reboots |
| 17:42.44 | Iridos | I dunno... if you don't ask the real question, we can't answer it? |
| 17:42.51 | simonlnu | i wasn't asking why, Iridos was |
| 17:42.59 | Iridos | you can set LANG in .bashrc or the like *shrug* |
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| 17:43.47 | Iridos | or possibly something like .xinitrc |
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| 17:44.39 | tharkun | Iridos: hmm I'll take a look at .xinitrc but that would make a per user setting which is not precisely what i need. None the less thanks for the idea |
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| 17:49.56 | seeker7 | i am trying to have my debian box recognize latest jave plugin i have done all suggestions but still it does not see it |
| 17:50.28 | Iridos | there's /etc/X11/Xsession.d too |
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| 17:51.33 | meder | linux-headers is vital, no? |
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| 17:52.17 | jhutchins | meder: Depends on what you're trying to do. |
| 17:52.38 | meder | im trying to upgrade every upgradable package now and its recommending to remove linux-headers because they rely on gcc 4.3 |
| 17:52.44 | meder | im getting a newer version of gcc |
| 17:52.54 | meder | its not installing any new version of linux-headers |
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| 17:53.07 | jhutchins | meder: Linux headers are mostly for compiling kernel modules. |
| 17:53.17 | meder | ok |
| 17:53.29 | meder | gnome-core is also being removed |
| 17:53.34 | jhutchins | meder: You will likely be getting a new kernel anyway if you're upgrading gcc. What are you upgrading from and too? |
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| 17:53.54 | meder | im just hitting 'upgrade' on all packages on sid |
| 17:54.15 | nana | which Distro should i use? debian or fedora? |
| 17:54.23 | meder | for what purpose, nana |
| 17:54.25 | nana | I'm a developper |
| 17:54.31 | meder | be specific |
| 17:54.32 | nana | meder: dev |
| 17:54.44 | nana | meder: specific for what? |
| 17:54.51 | meder | what type of dev |
| 17:55.14 | nana | meder: I mean, if I want to study and dev on Linux, which is better for me? |
| 17:55.26 | nana | meder: C/C++/Java/Python |
| 17:55.36 | radio23 | I'd have thought any flavour of Linux really. |
| 17:55.37 | nico_le_terrible | .NET ;) |
| 17:55.43 | radio23 | nico_le_terrible: Shame. ;) |
| 17:55.49 | nico_le_terrible | :$ |
| 17:56.04 | nana | meder: may be hava TeX |
| 17:56.35 | nana | meder: also, I want to know which tech is better, debian or fedora? |
| 17:56.42 | radio23 | nana: I may be wrong but I think that you shouldn't have a problem with whatever flavour of Linux you choose for doing whatever 'dev' you're interested in. |
| 17:56.49 | nico_le_terrible | yeah ;) |
| 17:56.54 | radio23 | nana: What do you mean by 'which tech'? |
| 17:57.00 | nico_le_terrible | all the distros seems good to do such dev |
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| 17:57.31 | nana | radio23: such as kernel, network, and so on... |
| 17:58.06 | radio23 | nana: I think that ... is a question that can't be answered as it's too general. |
| 17:58.37 | hoverbear | Anyone use Wmii and have something akin to like a temperature graph or something? |
| 17:58.37 | nana | radio23: I use debian some time, but sometimes when i upgrade my system, it remove some program i think it should not to do that |
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| 17:59.23 | nana | radio23: and debian left a lot of package 'not update' |
| 17:59.41 | circa` | i find debian suits my personality more, so i use it |
| 18:00.04 | radio23 | nana: Uh, that is odd and doesn't sound good. I'm not sure what you're doing specifically. You need to indicate which programmes weren't updated for instance. It may help to understand what is going on with your system. |
| 18:00.06 | nana | if consider performance, debian or fedora which is better? |
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| 18:00.48 | radio23 | It just doesn't sound like Debian would 'choose' to uninstall a programme you put there. I've never heard of that with Linux before. |
| 18:01.27 | Dulak | nana: it's subjective, but I can say my desktop (gnome 2) feels fastest on debian compared to the 6 or 7 other distros I have tried recently. |
| 18:01.29 | nana | radio23: which performance is better |
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| 18:01.38 | nvz | hmm? |
| 18:02.08 | jimcooncat | nana, for performance you can tweak many things with either, you'd want to look at what you want to perform better, like the file system or graphics or whatever |
| 18:02.15 | nana | Dulak: I really care perforamnce |
| 18:02.38 | nana | jimcooncat: yes, just all |
| 18:02.58 | nana | jimcooncat: if I use Linux on desktop PC, which is better? |
| 18:03.14 | Dulak | nana: but what performance? hdd access? graphics? boot time? |
| 18:03.35 | nana | Dulak: all of them . |
| 18:03.52 | radio23 | nana: AGain, you're asking general questions that can't be answered. :/ |
| 18:04.11 | Dulak | nana: that's too general, any linux can be tweaked to meet your needs |
| 18:04.11 | nana | radio23: ... |
| 18:04.24 | radio23 | nana: There is no ONE way to measure that sort of information and that should be obvious. |
| 18:04.33 | hoverbear | So dzen and wmii work nice together? |
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| 18:05.48 | nana | hm...but please let me know what are the better and bad point compare debian and fedora |
| 18:06.06 | geggam | nana: you are going about it wrong |
| 18:06.22 | nana | geggam: ? |
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| 18:06.27 | hoverbear | nana: I vastly prefer Debian, but, it's all opinion really. :) What will you be using the machine for? |
| 18:06.34 | geggam | I want to do ____ and i need to know which linux is pretuned to perform better for that application |
| 18:06.44 | radio23 | nana: You're basic thinking is flawed and it comes out in the question. It's not like comparing a Porsche with a shopping cart, for instance. |
| 18:06.49 | nvz | nana: http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 18:06.51 | geggam | fedora is bloated IMHO and not tuned to do anything |
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| 18:06.57 | geggam | >:] |
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| 18:06.59 | nana | hoverbear: desktop pc for study |
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| 18:07.10 | nvz | nana: those documents are what will make you a debian user or not, either you agree with that or you dont |
| 18:07.23 | hoverbear | Oh, guys, just installed debian last night. Absolutely love it. Got my 10 hours of battery life going and everything setup really quick and easy. |
| 18:07.26 | hoverbear | Excellent docs. :) |
| 18:07.32 | TomSlominski | hello. i'm trying to mount an external hard drive, but I can't do it as user dorota on my PC. it's fine as user tom on laptop and user tom on PC but not as user dorota or mirek. |
| 18:07.40 | TomSlominski | root works as well, of course |
| 18:07.42 | hoverbear | (I did need to use ubuntu's tp_smapi though. :S) |
| 18:07.49 | radio23 | nana: If you need a shopping cart then use a shopping cart but if you need fast transportation use that. Debian and Fedora comparison will only work by figuring out which flavour you like - it has nothing to do with performance beyond that at the end of the day. |
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| 18:08.18 | hoverbear | TomSlominski: I think dorota needs to be in the .... plugdev? storage? group. One of those... Not entirely sure. |
| 18:08.59 | TomSlominski | hoverbear: she is in plugdev, storage doesnt exist. |
| 18:09.02 | hoverbear | Hrm ok |
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| 18:09.06 | Dulak | TomSlominski: run 'groups username' and compare the differences between the users |
| 18:09.15 | TomSlominski | i think its a problem with the drive not being accesible to dorota, not dorota not being able to mount the drive |
| 18:09.24 | nvz | TomSlominski: add those users to the disk group I think is the problem |
| 18:09.32 | aarkerio | hi! Somebody is using Catalyst AMD drivers in Wheezy? |
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| 18:10.24 | jimcooncat | Is there an easy-to-configure replacement for exim4? |
| 18:10.29 | TomSlominski | Dulak: the only groups dorota isn't that tom is are bluetooth and tom. ill try adding dorota to tom to see if that works. |
| 18:10.48 | TomSlominski | also, dorota is able to mount the drive using the disk utility, she just can't access /media/Backup |
| 18:10.57 | nana | but debian or fedora which more open source and free? |
| 18:11.16 | aarkerio | jimcooncat, I think exim4 is the easier ATM out there |
| 18:11.22 | radio23 | nana: Both are the same. :) |
| 18:11.30 | nana | i have a classmate use fedora, another use debian |
| 18:11.34 | boudiccas | nana; theyre both open source and free, but fedora has a rpaid development cycle of 6 months |
| 18:11.41 | jhutchins | jimcooncat: Nothing about a mail system is "easy to configure". You have to figure out what it does and how so you can configure it properly. |
| 18:11.43 | boudiccas | rapid |
| 18:11.49 | TomSlominski | even though the command "groups" shows that tom is in group tom, the GUI doesn't say that... pfft. |
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| 18:12.00 | Dulak | nana: debian has more strict rules about what can be in the base distro, fedora is a bit looser, and faster to update things compared to debian stable |
| 18:12.02 | jhutchins | jimcooncat: Configuring exim with dpkg is about as close as you can get to "easy". |
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| 18:12.06 | jimcooncat | aarkerio, I suspected that. I guess I'm not understanding it as well as I shold |
| 18:12.21 | aarkerio | nana: I think Debian has a better bug-testing cycle, but all is about personal taste |
| 18:12.29 | nana | Dulak: i want to use testing |
| 18:12.43 | boudiccas | nana; it will break on you |
| 18:12.46 | Dulak | nana: that's a horrible idea for a noobie |
| 18:12.47 | nana | Dulak: stable i think it's too old for my daily life |
| 18:12.56 | TomSlominski | even though "dorota" is now in group "tom" nothing has improved. I was a fool to try this as the drive is readable by user tom and group laptop. |
| 18:13.02 | aarkerio | jimcooncat, do you want an internet email server? |
| 18:13.08 | jimcooncat | jhutchins I've installed a bunch of email servers and I've always had problems. |
| 18:13.29 | Dulak | TomSlominski: what do the perms look like for that mount point? (after it's mounted) |
| 18:13.46 | radio23 | nana: Okay well it's time for you to figure out what you want to use and go instal it. I believe you have the information you need to decide what is best for you. :) |
| 18:14.08 | jimcooncat | aarkerio, I have a phpbb setup on linode, so I think I only need outgoing. exim4 is working on it, but I'm having issues with headers |
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| 18:14.27 | TomSlominski | Dulak: owner tom- Tom Slominski, creating and deleting files; group tom creating and deleting files, others none |
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| 18:14.34 | nana | radio23: so i need to make decision between debian/testing and fedora 16 |
| 18:14.46 | jimcooncat | I'm guessing I have a domain name problem |
| 18:15.00 | TomSlominski | Dulak: i tried creating a group called "dejadup" and saying that the drive should be accessible for creating and deleting files by group "dejadup" but that has not helped. |
| 18:15.02 | radio23 | nana: Decide what you want to use. Nobody here will tell you. :) |
| 18:15.15 | boudiccas | nana; you decide what you want to install and when, its all your choice |
| 18:15.35 | nana | radio23: i have hear that, some distro have Optimization on kernel, is true? |
| 18:15.47 | Dulak | TomSlominski: That's the problem, if you want it shared you put both users into a common group (like users) then change the group that owns that tree, and relog the users to get the new group settings. |
| 18:16.01 | radio23 | nana: What is the point of that question? |
| 18:16.03 | MrMind | Hello. My computer with debian squeeze hangs on "Loading, please wait..." at startup, after grub has loaded, and it takes 1-2min before it begins to read the system files and startup, this happens maybe every third boot, what can it be? |
| 18:16.13 | TomSlominski | Dulak: I never relogged. I'll try again. |
| 18:16.19 | Dulak | TomSlominski: and you want rwx on the group for dirs, rw or rwx for files |
| 18:16.24 | nana | radio23: so i want to know debian/fedora which Optimization for x64? |
| 18:16.36 | jimcooncat | monit is sending fine, phpbb doesn't include the from and reply to headers, phpbb package maintainer tested stock sqeeze install, same as I did, and said it's working fine for him |
| 18:16.40 | nana | radio23: 64 bit cpu |
| 18:17.20 | TomSlominski | Dulak: how do I set up gorup permissions? |
| 18:17.20 | radio23 | nana: I think somebody else can spend their time with you tonight. :) |
| 18:17.24 | Dulak | nana: you will probably be happier on fedora for a desktop, if you are worried about having the most updated packages. |
| 18:17.57 | TomSlominski | Dulak: relogging hasn't helped. |
| 18:18.11 | Dulak | TomSlominski: find /path/to/mountpoint -type d -exec chown g=rwx {} \; |
| 18:18.19 | Dulak | TomSlominski: find /path/to/mountpoint -type f -exec chown g=rw {} \; |
| 18:18.41 | nana | radio23 Dulak ok, i use debian, thanks, you are right :) |
| 18:18.48 | Dulak | haha |
| 18:19.03 | TomSlominski | Dulak: it just gave literally like a thousand errors |
| 18:19.05 | nana | radio23 Dulak but do you know when gnome3.2 will in debian? |
| 18:19.09 | Dulak | Give direct advice, and they do the opposite. Bam, just like a client who is paying you. |
| 18:19.13 | TomSlominski | Dulak: chown: invalid user: 'g=rw' |
| 18:19.21 | radio23 | Dulak: True :) |
| 18:19.25 | Dulak | TomSlominski: I meant chmod, and run it as root. |
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| 18:19.50 | TomSlominski | Dulak: should i relog again? |
| 18:19.56 | boudiccas | nana; its just appearing now in an incomplete form in 'unstable' which is testing |
| 18:20.32 | nana | boudiccas: but when it will stable? |
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| 18:20.59 | boudiccas | nana; who knows? when its ready seems to be the mantra |
| 18:21.03 | Dulak | TomSlominski: depends on if you actually logged all the way out or just restarted the terminal, group settings are inherited from the base login, so you have to go all the way back to restarting X or back to the console login, depending on how you login |
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| 18:21.33 | nana | boudiccas: thanks vv much :) |
| 18:21.43 | boudiccas | nana you're welcome |
| 18:22.21 | nana | boudiccas: last question. install texlive from iso from TUG official site or in apt pool, which way is better? |
| 18:22.23 | TomSlominski | Dulak: i'll reboot anyway |
| 18:22.37 | Dulak | TomSlominski: can't hurt |
| 18:22.41 | nana | boudiccas: TUG texlive iso is 2011 |
| 18:22.45 | boudiccas | nana; i go with the debian version and i havent had any problems so far |
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| 18:23.02 | nana | boudiccas: but it's 2009 |
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| 18:23.22 | boudiccas | nana; but you decide. after all, its your setup |
| 18:23.28 | Dulak | TomSlominski: you have to change the group that owns that tree too, chown -R :groupname /path/to/mountpoint |
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| 18:23.58 | nana | boudiccas: where can i find debian kernel compile arguments? makefile? |
| 18:24.07 | boudiccas | nana; no idea |
| 18:24.09 | nana | boudiccas: I want to check how debian build |
| 18:24.27 | nana | boudiccas: what is 'no idea' mean? |
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| 18:24.51 | boudiccas | nana; it means i dont know |
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| 18:25.13 | geggam | download the src package |
| 18:25.20 | nana | boudiccas: ... any material? |
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| 18:25.27 | TomSlominski | Dulak: fail. now I can't mount the drive even though i specified "user" for UUID of the drive in fstab |
| 18:25.27 | radio23 | grabs TheCoffeMaker and drinks directly |
| 18:25.28 | boudiccas | nana; sorry? |
| 18:25.46 | nana | geggam: I only want to see... have material or link? |
| 18:25.49 | Dulak | TomSlominski: show me the line from fstab |
| 18:25.58 | nana | boudiccas: ok, vv thanks:-) |
| 18:26.05 | rozie | nana: you mean kernel config? |
| 18:26.12 | boudiccas | nana; yw |
| 18:26.22 | jhutchins | nana: You'll find a config file in /boot with the kernel image. |
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| 18:26.42 | jhutchins | nana: I don't think that tells you what patches were applied, just the compile options. |
| 18:26.52 | Dulak | TomSlominski: also show me the line from this command: ls -lad /path/to/mountpoint |
| 18:26.54 | nana | rozie: yes, i want to know how debian build |
| 18:27.20 | zykotick9 | TomSlominski, is this external drive formatted NTFS/FAT by chance? |
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| 18:27.28 | rozie | nana: cat /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 18:27.29 | TomSlominski | zykotick9: ext4 |
| 18:27.34 | geggam | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html nana |
| 18:27.43 | zykotick9 | TomSlominski, ok, just checking |
| 18:28.00 | jhutchins | rozie: less would probably be more useful than cat. |
| 18:28.05 | TomSlominski | Dulak: UUID=9be11a3b-46a3-4f58-a4f4-0c0a33a80cad /media/Backup ext4 user_xattr,noauto10 |
| 18:28.07 | geggam | pkg-deb --extract foo_VVV-RRR.deb tmp extracts each of the files in foo_VVV-RRR.deb into the directory tmp/. |
| 18:28.15 | nana | rozie geggam boudiccas : thanks, let me see |
| 18:28.16 | rozie | jhutchins: yes, less is more |
| 18:28.31 | TomSlominski | Dulak: i'll change the tree in a sec |
| 18:28.33 | geggam | find the kernel src package and extract it... dig around |
| 18:29.16 | Dulak | TomSlominski: that turns on acl on the filesystem, user_xattr, is that what you want? |
| 18:29.45 | Dulak | TomSlominski: if you want to allow users to mount/umount it, you want the 'users' option, not 'user_xattr' |
| 18:29.45 | TomSlominski | Dulak: probably not... I have that on my laptop though so i just used that. |
| 18:29.55 | TomSlominski | Dulak: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Nov 26 17:51 /media/Backup |
| 18:29.57 | TomSlominski | Dulak: okay |
| 18:30.22 | Dulak | TomSlominski: that is the perms before mounting? |
| 18:30.53 | TomSlominski | Dulak: yes, I can't mount it as user now. ive changed the fstab |
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| 18:31.17 | TomSlominski | Dulak: okay, it mounted |
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| 18:31.28 | Dulak | TomSlominski: show me the perms now |
| 18:31.44 | Dulak | TomSlominski: same ls -lad /path/to/mount |
| 18:31.49 | TomSlominski | Dulak: but now I still can't access it cause Nautilus thinks its not mounted when i use the computer view, so i have to go into /meda/ and open Backup from there. that will error. |
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| 18:32.44 | TomSlominski | Dulak: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Nov 26 17:51 /media/Backup |
| 18:32.44 | Dulak | TomSlominski: we fixed the fstab, but the perms probably still aren't right |
| 18:32.51 | TomSlominski | Dulak: wait |
| 18:32.56 | TomSlominski | Dulak: it didn't copy properly |
| 18:33.09 | TomSlominski | Dulak: drwxrwx--- 4 tom tom 36864 Nov 26 13:25 /media/Backup |
| 18:33.39 | Dulak | TomSlominski: ok, you need to chown that tree to the shared group. as root: chown -R :groupname /media/Backup |
| 18:34.00 | Dulak | TomSlominski: replace groupname with the name of the shared group you added both users to |
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| 18:34.18 | TomSlominski | Dulak: yaay! |
| 18:34.32 | TomSlominski | Dulak: finally got into it :D |
| 18:34.58 | Dulak | TomSlominski: yeah perms and fstab stuff gets confusing |
| 18:35.12 | Dulak | TomSlominski: so you are all fixed up? |
| 18:35.15 | TomSlominski | Dulak: i just need to chown it recursively so I can get into the PC backups folder. |
| 18:35.28 | Dulak | TomSlominski: the -R is recursive |
| 18:35.41 | TomSlominski | Dulak: but for -R to work you need a / at the end :) |
| 18:35.54 | TomSlominski | Dulak: fail, that still diddn't work :P |
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| 18:36.03 | Dulak | TomSlominski: you did it as root? |
| 18:36.19 | TomSlominski | Dulak: yup. however, group dejadup can only ACCESS the files in folder PC |
| 18:36.55 | Dulak | TomSlominski: you ran those find/chmod commands as root as well? |
| 18:37.11 | TomSlominski | Dulak: yes. most definitely |
| 18:37.57 | Dulak | TomSlominski: to cd into a dir, the group needs execute access, show me the perms on a folder that you can't access with: ls -lad /path/to/dir |
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| 18:38.55 | TomSlominski | Dulak: drwxr-xr-x to tom and dejadup. |
| 18:39.06 | TomSlominski | Dulak: will that do or do you need the full line? |
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| 18:39.31 | Dulak | TomSlominski: the group has no write access, so those find commands I told you to run didn't take or something. |
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| 18:40.05 | Dulak | TomSlominski: as root: find /path/to/mount -type d -exec chmod g=rwx {} \; |
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| 18:40.16 | Dulak | TomSlominski: as root: find /path/to/mount -type f -exec chmod g=rw {} \; |
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| 18:41.02 | TomSlominski | Dulak: to the drive or to the folder? |
| 18:41.15 | Dulak | TomSlominski: the mountpoint, the top of the tree you want to fix up |
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| 18:41.36 | nanoL | hi |
| 18:41.44 | Dulak | TomSlominski: /media/Backup from your other pastes |
| 18:41.47 | nanoL | can help me about ape server ? |
| 18:41.57 | TomSlominski | Dulak: still nothing :/ |
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| 18:42.18 | TomSlominski | Dulak: does type -f mean type file and therefore it only changes the files? |
| 18:42.34 | Dulak | TomSlominski: yes, type d is dirs, type f is normal files |
| 18:42.52 | TomSlominski | Dulak: cause folder tom inside folder PC is fine, folders inside tom are fine too. |
| 18:43.16 | TomSlominski | Dulak: so it looks like it skipped PC and did everything else? |
| 18:44.18 | Dulak | TomSlominski: you might have to fix something manually, the perms should be rwx for the group on dirs, and rw or rwx on the group for files, depending on if you want them executable or not |
| 18:44.37 | TomSlominski | Dulak: no executables, it's all duplicity backups |
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| 18:44.49 | Dulak | TomSlominski: then rw on the group for files |
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| 18:45.30 | TomSlominski | Dulak: right, its fine now. thanks for all the help :D |
| 18:45.41 | RomyEatsDrupal | Hi everyone… I write to request some help on installing a gem on my Debian Wheezy virtual machine |
| 18:45.48 | RomyEatsDrupal | https://github.com/ippa/chingu |
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| 18:45.59 | nanoL | Hi |
| 18:46.03 | TomSlominski | Dulak: it will probably break when i connect it to my laptop to do new backups on my laptop next month but its fine for now :P |
| 18:46.07 | RomyEatsDrupal | it's a Ruby games gem, and I tried sudo gem install chingu but that did not work, unfortunately |
| 18:46.08 | nanoL | can help me about ape server ? |
| 18:46.09 | Dulak | TomSlominski: once everything is working well, you want to set the sticky bit on all dirs in that mount, to force group ownership on new files. find /media/Backup -type d -exec chmod g+s {} \; |
| 18:46.44 | Dulak | TomSlominski: if you do the sticky bit, any new files should be owned by the right group, so you have less issues with new files |
| 18:47.33 | RomyEatsDrupal | http://pastebin.com/c5uawbmb is what my prompt returned :/ |
| 18:47.47 | RomyEatsDrupal | And yes, I have internet access. |
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| 18:48.14 | TomSlominski | "Enter password for to unlock your login keyring" I can't remember my mum's first password :L |
| 18:48.43 | boudiccas | nanoL; what 'ape server'? |
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| 18:49.45 | Dulak | TomSlominski: you can reset the keyring by deleting the file: rm ~/.gnome2/keyrings/login.keyring |
| 18:49.49 | Dulak | Or not. |
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| 18:52.21 | Craigwd_2000 | Dulak: You mean to tell me that there's no mechanism for resetting the login keyring's password instead...? No utilities available for that purpose...? |
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| 18:53.59 | Dulak | Craigwd_2000: there might be, but the keyring should be encrypted, and it simply holds things like wifi keys and such that you can re-enter easily enough. I have always just deleted the file and given it a blank password so it stops prompting. |
| 18:54.45 | Dulak | It's kind of annoying that logging in with your password doesn't unlock the keyring in the first place |
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| 18:55.52 | Craigwd_2000 | Maybe there's a way to disable it instead... I know I personally can't stand the KDE 3/4 Wallet Sub-System & I always end up disabling it eventually anyways... |
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| 18:57.00 | bocaneri | My login password and my wallet password aren't even in the same language. This is on purpose. |
| 18:57.43 | ZekeS | ... your passwords really shouldn't be in any language tbh |
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| 18:58.38 | Dulak | Good for you. My mom doesn't need that kind of security to protect her wifi key, so yeah, she has a blank keyring password so she doesn't call me everyday asking me why she has to put 2 passwords in. |
| 18:58.43 | bocaneri | 1934AusKennZeichensWort1947 |
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| 18:59.38 | bocaneri | I personally appreciate passphrases. |
| 19:00.10 | Dulak | Because when that happened, I got a call literally every single time she logged in for a week before I decided her wifi key isn't worth the hassle. |
| 19:00.31 | bocaneri | Is her bandwidth capped? |
| 19:00.38 | Dulak | No |
| 19:00.46 | bocaneri | Does she have any paedos living nearby? |
| 19:00.54 | Craigwd_2000 | Bocaneri; it's funny you should mention passphrases...; I prefer them to passwords provided they're easy enough to remember... |
| 19:01.20 | bocaneri | Wee Willy Wonka's Wobbly Willie |
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| 19:01.47 | Dulak | I don't understand what you are getting at, her wifi is secured with a key, her laptop is secured with a password, she doesn't need another password to protect the wifi key when she's the only one using the laptop. |
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| 19:02.07 | bocaneri | OH... so her wifi IS secured. |
| 19:02.53 | bocaneri | If so, then her best security is physical separation anyway. Don't let anybody have access to the machine and she'll be JUST! fine. |
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| 19:03.14 | Dulak | Yes, the keyring in gnome holds the wifi key, and it has a seperate password from the rest of the system, which is good on a shared box, but annoying on a single-user system. |
| 19:03.20 | Craigwd_2000 | Dulak: I recommend letting wicd manage the Wi-Fi encryption key storage... So much simpler & automatic too... |
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| 19:04.03 | bocaneri | My laptop travels around a lot, so I enter passwords and passphrases manually. |
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| 19:05.19 | bocaneri | and all my pictures of Estella Warren are in an encrypted directory. :D |
| 19:07.40 | Craigwd_2000 | This is my personal PC laptop though so I can also understand wanting to enter it all in manually if it's a Business PC laptop for instance... |
| 19:07.56 | RomyEatsDrupal | bocaneri: how do i encrypt photos in a directory? |
| 19:08.12 | RomyEatsDrupal | i'm a girl but i need to encrypt photos too |
| 19:08.41 | knob | truecrypt? |
| 19:09.33 | bocaneri | You're aware that encrypted photos would need decrypting before you could use them? |
| 19:09.40 | LordTrev | How do I reinstall grub(after a windows install)? |
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| 19:09.50 | bocaneri | An encrypted *directory* would be more convenient if you're not passing photos around. |
| 19:10.05 | bocaneri | LordTrev, you'll need a LiveCD or something. |
| 19:10.27 | RomyEatsDrupal | fine then :P how do i encrypt the directory |
| 19:10.30 | Craigwd_2000 | Both of my laptops have built-in webcams... I wonder if Debian will ever ship with built-in face recognition... That would be so cool if it could be made to work correctly... |
| 19:11.07 | abrotman | Craigwd_2000: to do what? login? |
| 19:11.18 | bocaneri | Rrr... face recognition... I smell LOTS of computer power needed... |
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| 19:12.04 | thewanderer1 | Craigwd_2000, that's what you have fingerprints for... more secure and actually work |
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| 19:13.08 | bocaneri | RomyEatsDrupal, http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-encrypt-directories-partitions-with-ecryptfs-on-debian-squeeze |
| 19:13.41 | Craigwd_2000 | Yeah & for opening the KDE Wallet too... My HP ProBook 6565b has four cores so it may not be impossible... Thewander1: fingerprint scanners can be hacked though...; I saw an episode The ScreenSavers where they described melting Black Forest gummy bears to lift fingerprints & defeat fingerprint recognition technology... |
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| 19:13.54 | abrotman | LordTrev: see what the bot told you? |
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| 19:14.16 | systemclient | [sid]: I installed default-jdk but I have no `javac`. Any reason for this? |
| 19:14.21 | RomyEatsDrupal | WOW! that's intense! :D |
| 19:14.27 | RomyEatsDrupal | just to hide my pics rotflmao |
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| 19:16.12 | Elwon | They have face recognition on android these days, Not that i'm advocating it, or claiming it works well. |
| 19:16.24 | LordTrev | abrotman, yeah, thanks |
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| 19:18.58 | bocaneri | Intense? I thought it was dead simple. |
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| 19:19.52 | tnetennba | Hi all! n00b here, just installed debian 6 on my laptop, done a reboot and got to the terminal, is there a tutorial on how to connect to the internet? I connected the internet cable but I can't ping google.. I already searched on the net but found nothing that just said "do THIS do connect to the net" all I found was huge books.. |
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| 19:21.03 | abrotman | tnetennba: if you type 'dmesg | grep eth' .. do you see any lines? |
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| 19:21.49 | tnetennba | <abrotman>I see 3 lines with 'eth0' |
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| 19:22.29 | tnetennba | <abrotman>I mean, I received 3 lines of data, if I write dmesg | grep eth0 |
| 19:22.37 | abrotman | tnetennba: as root, try typing `dhclient eth0' |
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| 19:24.54 | tnetennba | <abrotman> it returned "*****: failed to get attributes of 'etc/resolv.conf': no such file or directory" with ***** being chown and chmod |
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| 19:29.25 | abrotman | tnetennba: that's a bit odd ... |
| 19:29.45 | abrotman | tnetennba: type `touch /etc/resolv.conf' .. then try the dhclient again |
| 19:29.57 | tnetennba | <abrotman>maybe i'll reinstall.. I made an install with no internet.. |
| 19:31.19 | tnetennba | <abrotman> ok now the dhclient eth0 returned nothing/was accepted |
| 19:32.11 | tnetennba | <abrotman> It seems it's working now, I can ping google! |
| 19:32.36 | bocaneri | Are you pinging the URL or just the IP? |
| 19:33.27 | tnetennba | 'ping www.google.com' is what I am doing |
| 19:33.39 | bocaneri | You're good, then. |
| 19:35.37 | tnetennba | Yeah! I'm happy, thank You guys! This is the power of a comunity. I feel the power of linux! |
| 19:35.43 | tnetennba | =D |
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| 19:36.38 | bocaneri | You've felt *nothing* yet. Stick around! |
| 19:37.30 | tnetennba | what is the command to update/get more repositories? I can't locate xorg |
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| 19:38.01 | bocaneri | How are you trying? |
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| 19:38.36 | tnetennba | aptitude update or apt-get update or apt-get upgrade but nothing gets updated |
| 19:38.55 | bocaneri | That might mean you already are all up to date. |
| 19:39.13 | bocaneri | somewhere in /etc there's an apt directory, I think. |
| 19:39.16 | bocaneri | Moment... |
| 19:39.35 | tnetennba | so why can't aptitude locate the xorg package? |
| 19:39.48 | bocaneri | Yes... in /etc/apt/sources.list is all the repos you presently have enabled. |
| 19:40.10 | bocaneri | You should have already had xorg installed. |
| 19:40.24 | bocaneri | Try this: apt-cache search xorg |
| 19:40.27 | tnetennba | should I? |
| 19:40.30 | bocaneri | Might wanna page it. |
| 19:40.44 | tnetennba | the search returned nothing |
| 19:40.49 | bocaneri | o.O |
| 19:41.16 | bocaneri | Returned 251 lines for me. Pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:41.46 | seria-mau | i have a question about power management with debian. afaics now, acpid calls /etc/acpi/power.sh if ac status changes. power.sh then checks if upowerd and/or a power management daemon from a DE is running. if so, this simply exits. if not, pm-powersave {true|false} is called according to ac status change. my problem: SHE.sh (im on eeepc) which manages super hybrid engine is called from pm-powersave scripts and afaics neither upowerd |
| 19:41.46 | seria-mau | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:42.59 | tnetennba | <bocaneri> /etc/apt/sources.list -» permition denied as root :S |
| 19:43.01 | seria-mau | does upowerd even call scripts? |
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| 19:43.13 | seria-mau | can't find docs on it |
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| 19:43.34 | Elwon | as sudo or as root? |
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| 19:44.45 | tnetennba | as root |
| 19:44.53 | sauvin | tnetennba, that file is something to read, not run. |
| 19:45.20 | Elwon | ahh, lol sudo cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 19:48.08 | sauvin | I didn't need sudo to cat the sources.list file. |
| 19:48.24 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there every one ... i have posted this problem many times here but no one answered ... it is very annoying here ....having kde installed ... the sound doesn't operate nicely .... i cant make 2 applications running sound at the same time |
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| 19:49.23 | jhutchins_lt | wtf? Why does my netbook have bind9-host installed? |
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| 19:49.38 | Elwon | No apparently it's readable by everyone sauvin |
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| 19:51.25 | tnetennba | <sauvin>That file only has one not commented line, somthing that starts with "deb cdrom:[Debian..." and there are also lines saying "Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify" |
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| 19:51.51 | rue_shop | where is the kpovmodeler package? |
| 19:51.59 | rue_shop | apt search kpovmodeler |
| 19:52.04 | rue_shop | !apt search kpovmodeler |
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| 19:52.09 | rue_shop | ?apt search kpovmodeler |
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| 19:52.43 | rue_shop | !search kpovmodeler |
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| 19:54.07 | cobra-the-joker | any one please answer the sound question :( |
| 19:54.31 | abrotman | tnetennba: where do you live? |
| 19:54.48 | tnetennba | europe, why? |
| 19:54.58 | abrotman | tnetennba: you're using squeeze? |
| 19:55.06 | tnetennba | yes |
| 19:55.10 | abrotman | moment |
| 19:55.10 | rue_shop | !find kpovmodeler |
| 19:55.15 | abrotman | rue_shop: you can msg the bot |
| 19:55.22 | rue_shop | I'm trying |
| 19:55.26 | abrotman | no, you'r enot |
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| 19:55.39 | rue_shop | it didn't exactly come with a manual |
| 19:55.51 | rue_shop | do you know what archive I need to get kpovmodeler? |
| 19:55.58 | abrotman | i doubt it's in debian |
| 19:56.03 | rue_shop | or ANY povray modeler? |
| 19:56.15 | rue_shop | debian dosn't have a povray modeler? |
| 19:56.21 | rue_shop | why would anyone use debian then? |
| 19:56.29 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'kpovmodeler' (2 of 4): (/usr/share/openclipart/png/computer/icons/flat-theme/applications/kpovmodeler.png) in graphics/openclipart-png ;; (/usr/share/openclipart/svg/computer/icons/flat-theme/applications/kpovmodeler.svg) in graphics/openclipart-svg. |
| 19:56.34 | jhutchins_lt | Why does dnsutils depend on bind9-host? |
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| 19:56.59 | abrotman | tnetennba: add two lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list .. "deb http://ftp.pt.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" |
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| 19:57.13 | abrotman | rue_shop: have you tried 'apt-cache search povray' ? |
| 19:57.34 | sauvin | I get like eight hits. |
| 19:57.46 | rue_shop | yes, I dont have any modelers in my list |
| 19:57.48 | wckd | rue_shop: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=povray&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 19:57.58 | abrotman | rue_shop: using which version of Debian ? |
| 19:58.31 | rue_shop | 6.0.1 |
| 19:58.35 | Elwon | it's in squeeze stable non-free (povray package) |
| 19:58.58 | rue_shop | I dfont want povray, I have that, I want a modeler for it |
| 19:59.21 | rue_shop | such as moray or kpovmodeler or yaprm |
| 19:59.29 | abrotman | rue_shop: did you 'apt-cache search' for it yet? |
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| 19:59.47 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: looks like an error to me |
| 19:59.58 | wckd | rue_shop: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=kpov |
| 20:00.14 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman , you know anything about my "can't play sounds in parralel " problem here in kde (stable ) ? |
| 20:00.15 | rue_shop | yes, I have no modelers in the list |
| 20:00.19 | abrotman | wckd: maybe you should stop spood feeding him so he can learn how to search ? |
| 20:00.38 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: you need a mixer more than likely .. and if they're two flash things, that may also be a problem |
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| 20:01.01 | rue_shop | E: Package 'kpovmodeler' has no installation candidate |
| 20:01.08 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman, not two flash ... two programs ... like webbrowser and mediaplayer |
| 20:02.33 | amphi | rue_shop: huh - I see povray itself is not in debian any more; I hadn't noticed because I've been building the 3.7 betas here for a while |
| 20:02.35 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: you probalby need to install a mixer of some sort . i do'nt use kde |
| 20:02.59 | cobra-the-joker | :( |
| 20:03.04 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman, ok |
| 20:03.50 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: just wait a bit .. ask again ... |
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| 20:05.20 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman, i asked it many times here ... no response ... i am at the kde channel maybe they know anything about that |
| 20:05.32 | tnetennba | <abrotman>I got those repos on the sources.list file but still can't locate xorg :S |
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| 20:05.58 | quotemstr | Where is the Cyrus SASL daemon package? |
| 20:06.03 | quotemstr | I see the libraries, but no daemon. |
| 20:06.05 | Elwon | have you run apt-get update since you added the sources? |
| 20:06.16 | cobra-the-joker | the last resort is posting at the forum maybe :D |
| 20:06.25 | abrotman | tnetennba: "aptitude update; aptitude install xorg" |
| 20:06.37 | Elwon | Sorry yes aptitude. |
| 20:06.44 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: have you tried something besides kde? have you loaded the OSS drivers? does it work as root? |
| 20:07.36 | tnetennba | <abrotman> Thank You, it's working! |
| 20:07.49 | quotemstr | Ah, it's sasl2-bin. |
| 20:08.27 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman, i have to mention that when i make the audio driver in smplayer alsa not OSS ( the default ) ... the problem disappears but in smplayer only ... other applications still having the same problem |
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| 20:10.40 | seria-mau | anyone got an idea about that power management issue of mine? pm on linux looks like audio on linux to me right now - train wreck |
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| 20:18.44 | ChibaPet | So, I have a nebulous sort of question, and I'd like to shape it into something that can be a useful bug report. I moved my laptop to Wheezy to try out Gnome 3, and I decided I hated Gnome 3, but I kept the laptop on Wheezy. One thing I noticed is that my trackpad became horribly choppy. I'm not sure precisely what it is that controls trackpads, and if I can nail this down, I'd be better able to explore and submit a bug report if it en |
| 20:19.13 | Iridos | seria-mau, did you look in /usr/share/doc/eeepc-acpi-scripts/README.Debian for hints? |
| 20:19.20 | ChibaPet | In mucking about with different pieces, Fedora 16 and Scientific Linux 6.1 both handle it smoothly. |
| 20:19.56 | ChibaPet | (The genesis of this was nm-applet under LXDE deciding that I wasn't permitted to make networking changes.) |
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| 20:21.55 | ChibaPet | Any ideas? I don't want to be horribly frustrated and switch distros once Wheezy is released, so I'd like to be part of identifying and fixing the issue. I'll submit a general bug report if I can't find anything useful. |
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| 20:27.54 | seria-mau | Iridos: thanks, didn't think that fn-button for she would work. as mentioned in the readme, displaying status change via osd is superslow. |
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| 20:34.02 | StephenS | one question |
| 20:34.14 | StephenS | if my web server is in usa and im from europe its logic that ssh goes slower |
| 20:34.22 | StephenS | but is my site to load slow ? |
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| 20:35.00 | rox | StephenS: i don't really understand your question |
| 20:35.04 | Iridos | seria-mau, I have no experience with that package/script... was just pointing you to the obvious place to look when a package doesn't seem to run out of the box |
| 20:35.16 | Dulak | StephenS: if you are loading it from the US, sure it'll be slow, the data has to travel to space and back, or across the ocean via fiber from japan |
| 20:35.31 | Elwon | latency vs bandwidth question? |
| 20:35.32 | StephenS | no |
| 20:35.34 | StephenS | Im in EU |
| 20:35.38 | StephenS | and my server is in US |
| 20:35.42 | seria-mau | Iridos: more often than not i don't find useful information in these readmes |
| 20:35.45 | StephenS | so my website will go slow for eu and fast for us |
| 20:35.49 | StephenS | but not too slow for eu? |
| 20:36.03 | StephenS | it is on 100mbit port |
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| 20:36.33 | Dulak | StephenS: that depends on your ISP more than anything, it still has to go to space and back, or across an ocean, either way you look at it. |
| 20:36.39 | base | Which is the defaul tray on the top right side on debian squeeze gnome? |
| 20:36.55 | Dulak | StephenS: it's not as bad as it was in say the 90s, but there is latency whenever you cross the pond |
| 20:37.03 | rox | StephenS: 100Mb really only means, that you have 100Mb to your network provider, how traffic travels from there on is a different matter |
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| 20:37.31 | StephenS | hmm |
| 20:37.31 | Iridos | seria-mau, if there's a plain "README", that's the regular readme of the package (and often not so useful as it describes compiling etc.) the README.Debian is from the packager and describes anything that has to do to get it to run in Debian |
| 20:38.06 | Iridos | so it's usually pretty useful whenever one feels the urge to look |
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| 20:38.48 | StephenS | ping back is 160ms |
| 20:38.51 | seria-mau | ok, i will remember that next time :) |
| 20:38.52 | StephenS | is that too big? |
| 20:39.09 | rox | StephenS: no, that's very good |
| 20:39.26 | StephenS | well my right now server have 34 ms ping |
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| 20:39.32 | StephenS | which is netherland and im in east europe |
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| 20:39.40 | StephenS | whats dif between 34ms and 160ms ? ; |
| 20:39.58 | rox | StephenS: 126ms |
| 20:40.02 | Elwon | Are you asking what 160-34=? |
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| 20:40.12 | StephenS | no |
| 20:40.15 | Dulak | In gaming it's the difference between fragging and getting fragged. |
| 20:40.18 | StephenS | in practical use |
| 20:40.22 | rox | StephenS: a ms is 1/1000 of a second |
| 20:40.23 | flyz | hah |
| 20:40.24 | Dulak | In loading a website, its nothing |
| 20:40.32 | StephenS | so 1000ms = 1 |
| 20:40.36 | StephenS | well that is not a big |
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| 20:40.54 | asd1 | Which card is better supported for cracking WEP: thinkpad b/g/n or intel centrino n-1000? |
| 20:40.54 | valdyn | actually, 160ms on a website can be annoying |
| 20:40.58 | rox | StephenS: so if a small packet of data travels there and back in 160ms, that's good enough for a webserver |
| 20:41.01 | Elwon | It's 0.124 of a second in latency... web server wise,... nothing. |
| 20:41.19 | Dulak | You have 5-7 seconds to load a site before you stop dropping users from latency, anything less than 5 seconds is fine. |
| 20:41.39 | rox | StephenS: but that's just ping, the question is, if larger TCP traffic travels at the same rate |
| 20:41.44 | Dulak | If you are under 2.5 seconds, you are in the top 5% of fast loading sites. |
| 20:41.46 | valdyn | Dulak: youre comparing apples and oranges |
| 20:42.27 | StephenS | hmm |
| 20:42.30 | Dulak | valdyn: I'm comparing my websites that earn me money, I lose users after 7 seconds, and it's a huge spike after 9 |
| 20:42.33 | StephenS | maybe i biought a wrong vps in us |
| 20:42.54 | Dulak | I shoot for 3 second or less page loads |
| 20:43.00 | valdyn | Dulak: sure, thats theres the implicit comparison to ping latency, which is something else |
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| 20:43.31 | Elwon | StephenS: use chrome or firefox's firebug to audit the page load times. |
| 20:43.35 | Dulak | valdyn: he's wanting to know when to worry about his page loads, so I'm giving him real life info |
| 20:43.39 | fivaproldge | hi all, does anybody speak russian? :( |
| 20:43.43 | StephenS | ok |
| 20:43.49 | Elwon | Then Dulak's advice applies. |
| 20:43.59 | flyz | fivaproldge: yes |
| 20:44.19 | fivaproldge | flyz: can you help me in private messages? :) |
| 20:44.32 | valdyn | StephenS: its alot more important to make your website fairly efficient than to worry about those 2 latency values that are both easily low enough to make a fast website load possible |
| 20:45.29 | award85 | Hi there! I'm running Debian 6 without X, and using screen. Somehow the Caps Lock is stuck on terminal 1, and won't let me type on either screen (using Screen to split windows) |
| 20:46.03 | StephenS | my site was loading very fast |
| 20:46.06 | Dulak | StephenS: valdyn is right, using ping times won't give you much usable info, you want to concentrate on page load time, and you want to get it under 7 seconds, under 3 seconds if you can |
| 20:46.09 | StephenS | but i think ajax its slowing down my web |
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| 20:46.40 | Dulak | StephenS: firebug in firefox or the chrome developer tools will show you exactly what is taking the time |
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| 20:46.49 | ZekeS | Question: I'm trying to install Debian Wheezy on an iBook G3. Install went fine, got the "Waiting for root ..." error that a bunch of other people did. pata_macio is in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, but it doesn't really matter because the file doesn't seem to exist at all. Any recourse other than burning a Squeeze CD and going from there? |
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| 20:49.07 | ChibaPet | Hm, Wheezy isn't able to configure my NIC with DHCP. That's an absolutely bizarre problem to have. |
| 20:49.16 | Elwon | award85: Do the problems persist when you restart screen? |
| 20:49.26 | ChibaPet | (the net installer, anyway) |
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| 20:49.55 | award85 | Elwon: I'm not sure, I'm still running off the same screen in term 1 :P I didn't want to lose anything |
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| 20:52.20 | Elwon | Try ctrl-q if that doesn't work try ctrl-a, q |
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| 20:52.35 | Elwon | Sorry that was for award85 |
| 20:52.44 | award85 | Elwon: thanks :) Let me try that out |
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| 20:54.03 | award85 | Elwon: I love you! It worked <3 |
| 20:54.14 | Elwon | Okay, stick around a sec... |
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| 20:55.39 | Elwon | Basically accidentally hitting ctrl-s or ctrl-a, s will mess with flow control, and prevent screens output, the way to sort it is ctrl-q, or ctrl-a, respectively. If you want to know more i'd suggest you google screen flow control. |
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| 20:55.47 | Elwon | There are ways to prevent it happening entirely. |
| 20:55.55 | Tynach | Hi, I'm having a really weird issue with Debian. I've installed it as a virtual machine, and at the time I had no Internet connection... So I used the DVD ISO, and told it not to use a network mirror. Now, trying to enable the network mirrors, I get this error: |
| 20:56.04 | Dulak | Yeah I turn it off, it's kinda useless on modern networks |
| 20:56.10 | award85 | Elwon: Thanks! I should be able to handle it from here, I'm still getting used to screen (loving it, though) |
| 20:56.21 | Elwon | :) np |
| 20:56.34 | ZekeS | *sigh* |
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| 20:57.38 | Tynach | Reading package lists... Error!\nE: Encountered a section with no Package: header\nE: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_squeeze_updates_contrib_i18n_Translation-en\nE: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
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| 20:57.57 | Tynach | I can't copy/paste, and I put \n in for each newline. |
| 20:58.25 | Tynach | I really don't want to do anything until I can get security updates, but it looks like, right now, I cannot get those. |
| 20:59.02 | Elwon | ZekeS: ? |
| 20:59.51 | ZekeS | Elwon: bashing my head against the wall trying to figure out why the install cd sees my hdd just fine whereas the installed system won't |
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| 21:00.12 | Tynach | I tried googling, and nothing came up. Likewise, if I didn't include everything, some stuff came up from like... 2003, so obviously outdated. It's a default install more or less - no GUI running, it's meant to be a virtual server. |
| 21:00.16 | tortuguito | hi |
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| 21:00.20 | tortuguito | problems in sound |
| 21:00.48 | SweetG | how to install server audio on debian squeeze? |
| 21:01.05 | valdyn | Tynach: its not to hard to fix that file manually |
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| 21:01.26 | valdyn | Tynach: its probably harder to find out which package is then marked as uninstalled while its installed or vice versa |
| 21:01.37 | SweetG | i try esd, but dont work |
| 21:01.49 | Tynach | valdyn, do you mean the /var/lib/apt/lists/etc. file? |
| 21:01.50 | thewanderer1 | Tynach, you could try removing all package list files (not dpkg status file!) and apt-get update |
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| 21:02.37 | valdyn | Tynach: im not sure if the error is in the status file or in the file listed |
| 21:02.47 | valdyn | Tynach: that listed file obviously can just be redownloaded |
| 21:02.49 | Elwon | ZekeS: Odd one, is it a new hdd, external || internal? Format? |
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| 21:03.44 | Tynach | thewanderer1, where are the list files located, and what should I generally delete? I looked in /var/lib/apt/lists, but there's a lot of other files in there - like 'lock' and 'partial'. Not sure if you want me to delete those as well. |
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| 21:03.58 | fivaproldge | hi all |
| 21:03.59 | Tynach | So I'm not sure an 'rm *' would be appropriate. |
| 21:04.20 | fivaproldge | hey people can you help me with resolution with Intel HD 3000 (intel core i3) |
| 21:04.35 | Elwon | fivaproldge: Elaborate |
| 21:05.07 | thewanderer1 | Tynach, I think it should be safe to remove the whole dir and re-create it (yes, you need to mkdir afterwards or apt will complain)... just make sure no apt/dpkg/anything is running while you do the removal |
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| 21:05.26 | fivaproldge | Elwon: and... What should I do to sit on debian with 1376x768 instead 1024x768? |
| 21:05.28 | thewanderer1 | Tynach, oh. and you might need to re-mkdir 'partial' too |
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| 21:05.44 | thewanderer1 | fivaproldge, is it a Sandy Bridge? |
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| 21:05.51 | valdyn | Tynach: that lock file should be redundant. Mine here is from 2008 and doesnt do anything |
| 21:05.55 | fivaproldge | thewanderer1: yes |
| 21:06.02 | fivaproldge | thewanderer1: Intel Corporation Sandy Bridge Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) |
| 21:06.11 | thewanderer1 | fivaproldge, install the backports kernel and possibly the x.org from backports |
| 21:06.13 | ZekeS | Elwon: ibook g3, internal, formatted/partitioned by the installer. yaboot passes off booting to initramfs fine; boot continues to "Waiting for root ..." at which point boot drops to the rescue shell. THere are no sd_ nodes in /dev, and the usual guide to modprobe pata_macio and reconstruct the initramfs does nothing because there IS no pata_macio |
| 21:06.15 | valdyn | Tynach: could be that dselect uses it or somesuch, not apt-get or aptitude |
| 21:06.26 | ZekeS | I guess I'll just burn a Squeeze disk |
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| 21:06.54 | fivaproldge | thewanderer1: ok, thanks, I'll try it :D |
| 21:07.20 | Tynach | Deleted everything in that folder, and it worked just fine. Thanks! |
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| 21:07.36 | Tynach | No idea why it had this issue in the first place though - maybe I should file a bug report? |
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| 21:07.38 | Elwon | ZekeS: that would be my next port of call, sometimes it's easier to go things the easy way :) |
| 21:07.58 | valdyn | Tynach: i doubt that it is a bug in debian |
| 21:08.07 | thewanderer1 | Tynach, it was probably a temporary failure, maybe the download was corrupted etc |
| 21:08.13 | valdyn | Tynach: more likely a bug in your hardware |
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| 21:08.23 | Tynach | valdyn, it's a virtual machine. |
| 21:08.36 | valdyn | Tynach: that makes no difference |
| 21:08.53 | Tynach | thewanderer1, that's kinda what I'm thinking - though I told it before not to use a network mirror during install, so it shouldn't have downloaded anything to begin with. |
| 21:09.17 | thewanderer1 | Tynach, security updates are on by default... and you probably want them :P |
| 21:09.28 | Elwon | I wouldn't file a bug report without at least reproducing it. |
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| 21:09.50 | Tynach | Alright. I'll try reproducing it on another VM. At any rate, I know how to solve it now. Thanks guys! |
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| 21:19.13 | philipballew | Hey! so I am going to be setting up a proxy called tiny proxy. When i do sudo apt-get install tinyproxy would I install this on my server or on the laptop i wish to connect to the server from? |
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| 21:19.49 | jlgaddis | server |
| 21:20.08 | valdyn | philipballew: dont expect this to anonymize you |
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| 21:20.56 | philipballew | valdyn, Anonymize how so? |
| 21:21.07 | valdyn | philipballew: why are you using this tinyproxy? |
| 21:21.37 | philipballew | Bypass firewalls at the school I go to |
| 21:21.54 | philipballew | I can set up a a vpn if that is better I guess... |
| 21:21.59 | valdyn | philipballew: ok, that works |
| 21:22.17 | valdyn | philipballew: yea, you could, but your school probably does not make using a vpn necessary |
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| 21:22.44 | philipballew | well Would it be possible to set up a vpn remotely? |
| 21:22.48 | philipballew | valdyn, |
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| 21:23.12 | valdyn | philipballew: anything is possible |
| 21:23.33 | philipballew | true, valdyn I just woule need to open the port remotely |
| 21:24.34 | Elwon | valdyn: Just so i'm following you. Why would it not anonymize him assuming the proxy is remote? |
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| 21:24.46 | valdyn | Elwon: he said "my server" |
| 21:24.53 | Elwon | Ahh, okay :) |
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| 21:25.00 | valdyn | Elwon: that means his server is tied to him somehow |
| 21:25.25 | philipballew | Its my personal server At my house and I live far away at school |
| 21:25.33 | Elwon | I'm with you :) |
| 21:25.43 | valdyn | philipballew: sure, i get it, you dont want to anonmize yourself anyway |
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| 21:26.32 | valdyn | philipballew: but just work around some pseudo restrictions in your school firewall |
| 21:26.52 | philipballew | valdyn, Well if you wanted to anonmize yourself, what would you do? |
| 21:26.56 | tortuguito | help me |
| 21:27.02 | tortuguito | for audio in debian 6.0 kde |
| 21:27.10 | valdyn | philipballew: theres a few options |
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| 21:27.31 | valdyn | philipballew: you can use a random open proxy and trust the proxy not to reveal your identity |
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| 21:27.52 | valdyn | philipballew: you can use a paid for proxy or vpn |
| 21:28.06 | philipballew | valdyn, true, I am kinda on the cheep right now |
| 21:28.09 | clone_of_saturn | use tor |
| 21:28.17 | tortuguito | sos |
| 21:28.19 | tortuguito | audio |
| 21:28.20 | valdyn | philipballew: all those things require a 3rd party you can trust 100% |
| 21:28.28 | Elwon | Go to a public wifi network without any cameras nearby, use tor to connect to a free vps with no links to yourself, setup the vps to use tor and work from there... you could go on and on it depends how anonymous you want to be. But what valdyn said will do for most cases :) |
| 21:28.29 | Dulak | Are you trying to hide from the admins at your school, or the whole world? |
| 21:28.29 | tortuguito | S.O.S AUDIO FOR HELP -ME |
| 21:28.43 | valdyn | philipballew: and it will not be easy to find a third party that will protect you from serious allegations |
| 21:28.48 | Iridos | must be Sunday |
| 21:29.37 | philipballew | valdyn, Im not scared or doing anything illegal. Just annoyed at everything the school blocks. like they block urban dictionary |
| 21:29.48 | Corey | tortuguito: Stop that. |
| 21:29.56 | valdyn | philipballew: yes, thats how I understood your request |
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| 21:30.13 | valdyn | philipballew: i wouldnt help you if I tought you would do anything i consider even a little malicious |
| 21:30.23 | clone_of_saturn | this is an emergency, my debian doesn't work and i'm having an emotional breakdown |
| 21:30.40 | Dulak | philipballew: the quick, easy, cheap solution is to install openvpn and a lightweight proxy at your house, then connect to the vpn, and set your browser to use the proxy. |
| 21:31.05 | Iridos | I heard there's psychiatrists for that kind of thing |
| 21:31.06 | clone_of_saturn | i'll help you do something a little malicious, but not a lot malicious |
| 21:31.10 | philipballew | yeah, what would you recomend people, a vpn or a proxy? |
| 21:31.19 | philipballew | clone_of_saturn, not funny |
| 21:31.21 | Dulak | philipballew: that will hide what you are doing from the admins, and allow you to browse whatever you like |
| 21:31.24 | valdyn | philipballew: depending on your school its possible that using a vpn will get you a more severe punishment than usign a proxy |
| 21:31.46 | philipballew | they can see where the vpn line is going to |
| 21:31.55 | Iridos | there's no need for vpn |
| 21:31.57 | valdyn | philipballew: since when using a proxy you wouldnt hide what you do and the admin could see that youre not doing something serious |
| 21:32.10 | valdyn | philipballew: so in your place i would use no vpn |
| 21:32.18 | clone_of_saturn | a vpn would let you use any protocol without extra configuration, tinyproxy is limited to http |
| 21:32.26 | Iridos | one can just use a proxy and ssh tunneling... which is extremely easy to set up |
| 21:32.31 | philipballew | the sys admins and crazy. |
| 21:32.48 | philipballew | maybe i just think they are because they sware by active directory |
| 21:32.52 | Dulak | if you can ssh out Iridos' solution is cake |
| 21:32.56 | Iridos | true, vpn allows you to tunnel everything |
| 21:33.21 | jelly-home | AD rules! |
| 21:33.49 | Elwon | At the school I went to, they wouldn't have had a clue what a vpn was, let alone how to detect if someone's using one. And that was a 'information technology' school. |
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| 21:34.23 | Elwon | Although admittedly that was some years back. |
| 21:34.27 | Dulak | you probably don't want to redirect everything across the vpn, it will slow things down and make it more likely the admins will become annoyed and block you |
| 21:34.35 | philipballew | I feel a vpn might be more geeky. I need a new project |
| 21:34.52 | valdyn | heh, good point |
| 21:35.00 | philipballew | Elwon, mine to |
| 21:35.27 | Elwon | Personally I view ssh tunnelling as geekiest, and as a bonus probably the easiest. |
| 21:35.32 | philipballew | I can just open a port today and ssh into my server and set up a vpn. |
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| 21:35.37 | clone_of_saturn | you're being a little malicious by using your school's network to do something you don't have permission to do |
| 21:35.43 | philipballew | I need to set up a reverse ssh connection soon |
| 21:36.01 | philipballew | clone_of_saturn, has a point |
| 21:36.26 | Dulak | philipballew: that's liable to get you caught, outgoing only, anything incoming is going to get red-flagged by even the crappiest admin |
| 21:36.57 | philipballew | Dulak, would they really care though? |
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| 21:37.08 | abrotman | that's his problem |
| 21:37.26 | Dulak | philipballew: well, I would have you suspended in under 24 hours for any of this, but I am not a crappy admin. |
| 21:37.28 | Elwon | You'd be lucky to get anything incoming at all through a school network. They have little reason to have any listening ports. |
| 21:37.30 | valdyn | reverse ssh isnt incoming |
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| 21:37.52 | valdyn | ( till you can decrypt it anyway ) |
| 21:37.59 | fivaproldge | ah, excuse me, does anyone speak russian here? :( |
| 21:38.05 | valdyn | !ru |
| 21:38.05 | dpkg | eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 21:38.08 | philipballew | the admina opened a port last year for me to ssh into a server on campus |
| 21:38.31 | Elwon | Woah, nice admins! |
| 21:38.40 | Dulak | Just wow. |
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| 21:39.18 | fivaproldge | valdyn: thank you, I didn't know about that channel, but unfortunately I can't connect to it oO |
| 21:39.19 | Dulak | 'Hey let's spend about $250,000 a year on salaries and gear for security, but let this kid open a big fat hole into the system! Weee!' |
| 21:39.24 | Elwon | I got banned form the computers for a month for using a guest account they didn't know existed after changing my password and forgetting it. |
| 21:39.31 | jelly-home | Dulak: do you work there? |
| 21:39.31 | valdyn | fivaproldge: try on oftc |
| 21:39.35 | philipballew | port 22 even |
| 21:39.46 | Elwon | Asking if they'd open a port? They wouldn't have known how! |
| 21:40.01 | fivaproldge | valdyn: pidgin says - Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services. wtf? Oo |
| 21:40.04 | Dulak | jelly-home: nope, but I get paid to clean up the messes guys like that make, so I know the type well. |
| 21:40.20 | valdyn | fivaproldge: /msg nickserv help |
| 21:40.22 | Dulak | fivaproldge: you need to register your nick |
| 21:40.47 | fivaproldge | Dulak: oh thx :D |
| 21:40.57 | abrotman | fivaproldge: #debian-russian is on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:41.09 | jelly-home | Dulak: I thought you actually knew something about said campus policies |
| 21:41.44 | Elwon | What they campus policies should be and what they are, !===. |
| 21:41.56 | Dulak | jelly-home: I have gone in and cleaned up 4 colleges in the last 3 years, they are all pretty much the same, really. |
| 21:41.58 | jhutchins_lt | Has anyone mentioned tor or i2p |
| 21:42.15 | fivaproldge | abrotman: and I need to register nick there too? |
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| 21:43.14 | abrotman | fivaproldge: no idea .. try it and see |
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| 21:59.59 | thewanderer1 | http://paste.debian.net/147120/ - iostat -x output. I can't help but notice that while /dev/vda has just 24 miliseconds (poor, but bearable) access time, the LV on it (dm-2) is at almost 100 miliseconds... is that normal? |
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| 22:01.31 | jhutchins | thewanderer1: You don't suppose lvm and raid could be adding additional layers of complexity and causing additional load on the sytstem? |
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| 22:03.13 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins, no RAID involved, just LVM, and on another host the access time to a block device on RAID-6 + LVM is only 21 ms |
| 22:03.30 | thewanderer1 | maybe I should mention that the system with performance problems is a virtual machine in KVM |
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| 22:05.23 | thewanderer1 | I would lay the blame on KVM itself if the access times were high for vda (virtio) too, but clearly there's only a huge vda <> LVM gap |
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| 22:10.45 | barxool | Is it possible to create a block device /dev/ram0 with a fixed size, say 1gb, that i can use to create partition in it, like i may do on /dev/sda ? |
| 22:11.05 | barxool | and /dev/ram0 should reside in memory |
| 22:11.28 | thewanderer1 | alright, well... on another virtual machine, "await" says 52 ms for vda and 524 (?!) ms for an LV |
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| 22:12.27 | Dulak | barxool: yes, it's called a ramdisk and it's pretty easy to do |
| 22:12.36 | barxool | I want to make a demonstration of LVM to some friends but i don't want to have to wait for the disk I/O and so i thought it would be nice to use partitions in RAM rather than disk |
| 22:13.07 | barxool | yeah but i can't use tmpfs or ramfs, i need a block device usable by sfdisk to create partition |
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| 22:14.39 | Dulak | barxool: http://securfox.wordpress.com/2009/03/14/how-to-create-a-ram-disk/ |
| 22:14.51 | Dulak | barxool: that's an example using a block device |
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| 22:17.23 | ZekeS | yay it booted! |
| 22:17.30 | ZekeS | now to go write up a bug report ... |
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| 22:19.01 | barxool | Dulak> i just try your link and it doesn't work, i think it assumes /dev/ram* block device already exist, which is not the case on Debian squeeze |
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| 22:19.19 | Dulak | barxool: that's the mknod command, creating the device |
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| 22:19.51 | barxool | Dulak> the mknod command was successfull but then i cannot write on /dev/ram, it says "no space left on device" |
| 22:20.21 | Dulak | barxool: did you do the dd command to zero out the space you needed? |
| 22:20.44 | barxool | Dulak> yes, and dd sayed "no space left on device" |
| 22:21.05 | barxool | hum |
| 22:21.19 | Dulak | barxool: then you probably don't have enough free ram for the size you specified, I'm not sure because that 16k example works great for me |
| 22:21.22 | barxool | Dulak> it copied 8.4mb nevertheless |
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| 22:22.55 | barxool | Dulak> i'll look in kernel options, i think the size of ram disk is specified somewhere. And i have about 10gig of free memory |
| 22:23.25 | Dulak | barxool: yeah there might be a kernel tunable for that, I haven't used a ramdisk in a very long time |
| 22:24.55 | barxool | Dulak> CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM_SIZE=8192 :) |
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| 22:25.10 | Dulak | barxool: yup, just found that in ramdisk.txt |
| 22:25.40 | Dulak | barxool: you can do ramdisk_size=N as a boot option to tune it |
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| 22:34.14 | f00li5h | so, what replaced the no-ip client? |
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| 22:38.31 | epsilon | you mean service at dyndns.org? |
| 22:38.48 | f00li5h | no |
| 22:39.26 | f00li5h | i mean the one packaged as no-ip2, and the one at no-ip.com |
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| 22:44.10 | epsilon | at least apt-cache search no-ip returns me one package related to that service |
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| 22:52.20 | rawsted | hdparm seems to be ignoring spindown_time for drives i have in an md array. i checked out README.Debian but it seems the notes imply that the script will only abort if the raid array is not rebuilt or otherwise 'dirty' (not sure what this means). should i be going about this differently? |
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| 22:52.43 | rawsted | sorry, when i specify it in /etc/hdparm.conf - manual configuration seems to work |
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| 22:55.31 | mmm4m5m | Hi all. I am wondering is it possible Xephyr to use nvidia (non-free) glx? This is debian squeeze and glxgears run slow inside Xephyr... (and if I remember correct, 2 years ago it was working fine in ubuntu). I can't find hints in internet. |
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| 23:02.21 | f00li5h | epsilon: it does, but it can't read the config file, so it's pointless |
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| 23:02.58 | f00li5h | epsilon: and if i run it, without arguments, it's totally cool with that and it just exits silently |
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| 23:15.22 | rawsted | does relatime apply to directories as well? |
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| 23:17.24 | abrotman | aren't directories files? |
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| 23:17.53 | rawsted | oh yeah... |
| 23:18.34 | acx0 | is the kernel package (linux-image-...) supposed to be marked as automatically installed? |
| 23:19.20 | abrotman | depends which actual pcakage you're talking about |
| 23:19.20 | acx0 | on my netbook, it shows linux-image-3.0.0 as manually installed, and doesn't off to update to 3.1.0, but on my laptop, 3.0.0 is automatically installed, and it automatically updated to 3.1.0 |
| 23:19.28 | cthuluh | probably if you installed linux-image-2.6-$arch |
| 23:19.31 | acx0 | s/off/offer |
| 23:19.37 | abrotman | acx0: what is uname -r ? |
| 23:19.51 | acx0 | i'm on testing |
| 23:19.53 | abrotman | acx0: what is uname -r ? |
| 23:20.11 | acx0 | abrotman, netbook: 3.0.0-1-686-pae |
| 23:20.24 | abrotman | acx0: is linux-image-686-pae installed ? |
| 23:20.27 | acx0 | abrotman, laptop: 3.1.0-1-686-pae |
| 23:20.30 | abrotman | judd: versions linux-image-686-pae |
| 23:20.32 | judd | Package: linux-image-686-pae on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2.6.39+35.1~bpo60+1; sid: 3.1+41; wheezy: 3.1+41 |
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| 23:20.47 | abrotman | acx0: if it's not .. you should install it |
| 23:21.31 | acx0 | abrotman, it's not; I'm guessing this is the source of the problem? |
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| 23:22.12 | acx0 | abrotman, thanks, it looks like my laptop has it, but my netbook doesn't |
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| 23:30.38 | chowder | has anyone used gnome 3 on wheezy? |
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| 23:31.20 | chowder | I was just wondering if its worth the switch yet. I've heard a lot of naysayers saying that installing gnome 3 is a bad idea due to bugs. |
| 23:33.19 | abrotman | chowder: up to you .. it has issues .. but it is usable |
| 23:33.29 | rawsted | where do init scripts log to ? |
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| 23:35.57 | rawsted | in particular, where does log_failure_msg log to? |
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| 23:38.19 | hoverbear | Hey guys, just installed KDE and I can't connect to wireless as it shows the interface as "unavailable" |
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| 23:39.00 | chowder | abrotman: anywhere where I can read up on what issues seem to be plaguing Gnome 3? |
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| 23:41.53 | abrotman | chowder: the BTS is a decent start |
| 23:42.16 | abrotman | chowder: if you're apprehensive .. wait fror gnome3.2 to hit wheezy |
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| 23:42.56 | chowder | abrotman: sounds like the more prudent choice. thanks |
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| 23:45.00 | abrotman | chowder: i am running the gnome3 in wheezy .. it's not awful .. but it has a few warts .. nothing critical for me though |
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| 23:46.12 | ShinyDarkness | I downloaded a Debian installation CD image, burned it to a CD, and tested the CD by installing Debian from it on a virtual machine. However, when I try to install Debian from the the CD on a physical machine, it does not work. (I remembered to burn the CD at the slowest speed possible, so this cannot be the problem. I have also had a peek at the BIOS' configuration, and everything seems to be okay.) What do I do? |
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| 23:47.08 | ChibaPet | It doesn't boot? |
| 23:47.12 | abrotman | ShinyDarkness: which versoin did you burn ? |
| 23:47.14 | ChibaPet | Have you checked your boot settings? |
| 23:47.17 | chowder | abrotman: hmm...I'll have to read up more about it. I'm currently using xfce but I'd much rather be using gnome |
| 23:47.36 | ShinyDarkness | abrotman: 6.0.3 |
| 23:47.42 | abrotman | ShinyDarkness: architecture? |
| 23:47.43 | ShinyDarkness | ChibaPet: No, it does not boot. |
| 23:47.59 | abrotman | chowder: my biggest annoyance ucrrently is that pidgin doesn't have a status bar notification thingie |
| 23:47.59 | ChibaPet | Chowder, for what it's worth, I really dislike Gnome 3 after using it a bit, and I wasn't wildly happy with XFCE. Ironically given how they advertise, I've found LXDE to be a bit more flexible. |
| 23:48.00 | ShinyDarkness | abrotman: x86_64, my PC's processor is a Pentium D. |
| 23:48.08 | cthuluh | ShinyDarkness: you don't even get the isolinux prompt? |
| 23:48.15 | abrotman | ShinyDarkness: uhm .. isn't pentiumD only 32bit ? |
| 23:48.22 | ShinyDarkness | cthuluh: Nope. Nothing. |
| 23:48.25 | cthuluh | prolly |
| 23:48.35 | ShinyDarkness | abrotman: I thought so, until my computer technician installed Windows 7 x64 on it. |
| 23:48.39 | abrotman | oh .. ignore me .. it's 64bit |
| 23:49.03 | ShinyDarkness | abrotman: No worries. |
| 23:49.11 | chowder | abrotman: yea that is a bit of a nuisance |
| 23:49.12 | ChibaPet | ShinyDarkness, I'd verify your boot settings and make sure your CD is listed and precedes any hard drives present. |
| 23:49.32 | chowder | ChibaPet: xfce is working fine with me. Maybe I'm just being picky? idk |
| 23:49.52 | ShinyDarkness | ChibaPet: Yeah, I have already had a look at the BIOS' settings. |
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| 23:49.59 | ChibaPet | It works, but it's not as customizable - can't set a font or colour for panel text, for instance. |
| 23:50.21 | ChibaPet | ShinyDarkness, another thing I'd try is to verify that some other CD boots. Narrow down the problem. |
| 23:50.22 | abrotman | ChibaPet: but you used 3.0, right ? |
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| 23:50.47 | ChibaPet | abrotman, Gnome 3? Yes. No way to turn off shadows in Mutter == I can't use it. |
| 23:50.59 | abrotman | ChibaPet: things that may have been fixed since then .. |
| 23:51.10 | ChibaPet | (I use a funny hybrid tiling scheme. Works fine with Metacity, but Mutter fights it.) |
| 23:51.32 | abrotman | i like gnome3 so far .. possibly more so than gnome2 |
| 23:51.34 | ChibaPet | I've asked, and the shadows aren't controllable yet. With my tiling scheme, it really looks bad. |
| 23:51.51 | abrotman | i use lxde on my netbook .. don't think i'd use it on my desktop |
| 23:52.04 | ChibaPet | I like alt-tab in Gnome 3, and their workspace management is sensible. I dislike the lack of theming options. |
| 23:52.17 | abrotman | which may or may not have changed ... |
| 23:52.33 | abrotman | chowder: anyway .. it's up to you .. it's not unusable .. |
| 23:52.53 | ShinyDarkness | ChibaPet: Okay, thanks. |
| 23:52.56 | ChibaPet | I'm using LXDE on my main desktop, two big monitors. Works well. I use dmenu and xfce4-terminal with it, of course, and full keyboard navigation. Very modified environment. |
| 23:53.58 | chowder | abrotman: I'll think about it. I've always loved Gnome3 and tried it on Ubuntu a while back. I found the gnome-shell to be a great improvement |
| 23:54.07 | ChibaPet | My current thing which I can't pursue now given an imminent family dinner out is why a Wheezy boot CD can't get DHCP to run on my laptop, why it badly mangles Synaptics touchpad response, why nm-applet under LXDE tells me I don't have permission to modify network settings... :P |
| 23:54.37 | ChibaPet | Squeeze is all things good, and Wheezy seems well-named so far. Hope it changes. |
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| 23:55.22 | abrotman | use the squeeze install CD like you're supposed to |
| 23:56.26 | ChibaPet | I considered that, and it's what I did last time, but then how do we find bugs to make Wheezy solid and reliable? |
| 23:56.40 | primis | just upgraded to sid, may god have mercy on my soul |
| 23:56.43 | ChibaPet | heh |
| 23:56.45 | abrotman | uhm .. the testing installer is to test the installer .. not install testing |
| 23:57.07 | abrotman | if you need an installer that always works .. use the stable installer |
| 23:57.21 | ChibaPet | Well. No. What I want is to test, and I'll file a bug report. :P |
| 23:57.27 | abrotman | to test what? |
| 23:57.35 | ChibaPet | Wheezy's installer. |
| 23:57.48 | ChibaPet | And then Wheezy afterwards, regardless of how it gets onto the disk. |
| 23:57.49 | abrotman | well, it's broken .. congrats .. |
| 23:58.05 | ChibaPet | Right, but do we know it's broken? I'll submit a bug and maybe the world gets better. |
| 23:58.24 | abrotman | the testing installer really isn't expected to work well til closer to release .. |
| 23:58.30 | ChibaPet | I'm more baffled by the Synaptics issue. My touchpad was unreliable and choppy last time I ran Wheezy - yesterday. |
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| 23:59.04 | abrotman | if you expect the testing installer to work while it's being massively changed every day .. perhaps your logic skills need to be adjusted |
| 23:59.33 | ChibaPet | abrotman, don't be rude. It's called "Testing" for a reason. My logic is fine, but you seem to lack the communication skills necessary to function with others. |
| 23:59.50 | abrotman | i'm not being rude .. you're being unrealistic |
