| 00:00.15 | ChibaPet | You're absolutely being rude. What's wrong with my logic if I find a bug and wish to report it? You're demented to think that I've done something odd here. |
| 00:00.17 | abrotman | if your car were having parts replaced daily, would you expect it to run flawlessly ? |
| 00:00.23 | ChibaPet | I would absolutely, yes. |
| 00:00.32 | abrotman | yeah .. you have logic issues .. |
| 00:00.40 | ChibaPet | Wow, yoi' |
| 00:00.48 | abrotman | have a good evening |
| 00:00.52 | ChibaPet | you're not as smart as you'd probably like to think. Oh well. I'll ignore you henceforth. |
| 00:01.46 | ChibaPet | Well, off to dinner anyway, and then I'll file bug reports later. |
| 00:02.05 | abrotman | and they'll be closed quickly |
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| 00:02.22 | ChibaPet | I thought we were done chatting. |
| 00:02.53 | ChibaPet | Let's make this explicit - I think you're a goon, and anything I say beyond this line is not intended for you, nor do you need to feel any pressure to respond. Mmkay? |
| 00:03.11 | dondelelcaro | ChibaPet: that's not particularly helpful. |
| 00:03.31 | primis | is there a reason sudo no longer includes sbin's in path? |
| 00:03.38 | primis | in sid* |
| 00:03.39 | dondelelcaro | ChibaPet: bugs for functionality that is obviously broken in a testing installer aren't particularly useful at this stage, unless you plan on producing patches for them too |
| 00:03.58 | dondelelcaro | primis: upstream change; see NEWS.Debian |
| 00:04.22 | ChibaPet | dondelelcaro, I'm planning on poking it a bunch more before submitting a bug report. I don't have sufficient detail yet to submit any kind of meaningful bug report. |
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| 00:04.44 | ChibaPet | Right now I can just say "it doesn't work". I'll try to get a bit more than that, if not an actual patch. |
| 00:05.02 | ChibaPet | And maybe an actual patch, who knows? I don't know where the problem lies yet. |
| 00:05.21 | primis | dondelelcaro: I claim to be a computer guy, and not a debian expert. where would NEWS.Debian be? |
| 00:05.34 | dondelelcaro | primis: /usr/share/doc/sudo/NEWS.Debian.gz |
| 00:05.39 | primis | thank you |
| 00:06.04 | dondelelcaro | primis: most packages have package-specific documentation in those directories, and it's generally a good idea to glance at them if something changes (or you have questions) |
| 00:06.17 | ChibaPet | Hm, I'd want to point primis to whence(1) but apt-file is only showing it as part of zsh. |
| 00:06.45 | dondelelcaro | primis: in this case, the configuration file was changed to keep the original functionality, but sudo won't replace your configuration file if you've modified it all (which almost everyone who uses sudo has) |
| 00:06.46 | miguel000 | How can I check how much of my notebook is supported by the recent debian (in particular my wlan chipset) ? |
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| 00:07.11 | dondelelcaro | miguel000: lspci or lsusb (depending) to figure out what wlan chipset, then check to see which version of the kernel supports it |
| 00:07.26 | CyberDomovoy | hi |
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| 00:08.55 | dvs | miguel000: i'd try the live cd first |
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| 00:10.00 | miguel000 | 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1000 |
| 00:10.08 | miguel000 | this is what lspci says |
| 00:10.16 | miguel000 | and I assume this is my wlan |
| 00:10.27 | abrotman | miguel000: lspci -nn might be more useful |
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| 00:11.53 | miguel000 | 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1000 [8086:0083] |
| 00:11.53 | dondelelcaro | miguel000: you need at least 2.6.30, 2.6.32 is in squeeze. |
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| 00:12.19 | dondelelcaro | miguel000: so you should be ok, though you'll probably need the firmware-iwlwifi package |
| 00:12.37 | miguel000 | thats great |
| 00:12.48 | miguel000 | however I wonder how is the generall approach to all my other hardware |
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| 00:13.15 | dondelelcaro | miguel000: depends on the specific piece of hardware, unfortunately. |
| 00:13.19 | kripz | I need to know when the fglrx-driver is fixed/reintroduced back into debian, is there an rss feed or something i can subscribe to? |
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| 00:13.31 | miguel000 | 1. how can I check which hardware I have in overall, 2. how can I check which drivers I need. 3. how can I check which kernel release covers this? |
| 00:13.55 | miguel000 | (or if its not supported at all of course) |
| 00:13.56 | dondelelcaro | 1) lspci/lsusb 2) google 3) google |
| 00:14.03 | dondelelcaro | (basically) |
| 00:14.07 | miguel000 | allrighty |
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| 00:14.26 | dondelelcaro | miguel000: there used to be a hardware database, but I'm not sure if it's been updated recently |
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| 00:14.42 | dondelelcaro | miguel000: there's just a ton of hardware out there, and it's basically impossible for anyone to keep up |
| 00:15.11 | dondelelcaro | kripz: it's still in Debian. It's just been removed from wheezy. |
| 00:15.18 | dondelelcaro | !why is fglrx-driver not in testing |
| 00:15.18 | dpkg | fglrx-driver is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=fglrx-driver |
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| 00:15.28 | kripz | dondelelcaro, that's what i mean, i need to konw when its back |
| 00:15.30 | miguel000 | I guess it should be at least the other way round: A database of all fully supported and/or OPEN hardware |
| 00:15.44 | miguel000 | so I can consult it when deciding what hardware to buy |
| 00:15.47 | CyberDomovoy | i'm trying to start xbmc-standalone on display :1 at startup, so in my init script i use "start-stop-daemon --start -c xbmc --background --pidfile Var/run/xbmc.pid --make-pidfile --exec /usr/bin/xinit -- /usr/bin/xbmc-standalone -- :1". It fails. If i remove the "--background" option it works, but of course the command don't return immediatly. If i reconfigure x11-common to allow anybody to start the x server it works (even |
| 00:15.48 | CyberDomovoy | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.51 | dondelelcaro | kripz: that page right there tells you what needs to happen for it to re-enter |
| 00:15.58 | peterrooney | !hcl |
| 00:15.58 | CyberDomovoy | wooops, sorry for the long message |
| 00:15.58 | dpkg | [hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists for Linux include http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ , http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatdb/lists/hardware_linux.html and http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ . Also ask me about <driver locator>, <judd-hardware>. |
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| 00:17.27 | miguel000 | thx a lot! |
| 00:17.37 | tamiya | Hi guys, |
| 00:18.41 | tamiya | I have ssh into my Debian box and can successfully run xchat and other apps and have the apps displayed on the Solaris workstation I'm sitting in front of |
| 00:19.31 | tamiya | How can I get the full Debian desktop (with graphical logon screen) on my Solaris workstation? |
| 00:20.01 | tamiya | I've tried startx, xinit, startkde, but no luck |
| 00:20.38 | abrotman | tamiya: you want a DM like GDM ? |
| 00:21.13 | tamiya | yes, however I'm not sure what DM is running on my remote Debian box |
| 00:21.36 | abrotman | tamiya: dpkg -l "*dm" ? |
| 00:21.52 | tamiya | The remote Debian box is running headless, the last time I plugged in a monitor and rebooted it, it automatically started a graphical login screen |
| 00:23.01 | tamiya | it's XDM |
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| 00:27.29 | abrotman | tamiya: does that help you ? |
| 00:27.48 | tamiya | i still can't start it :( |
| 00:28.06 | abrotman | you can't start xdm with /etc/init.d/xdm start ? |
| 00:28.26 | hoverbear | Gah still can't decide on a WM/DM |
| 00:28.46 | tamiya | unfortunately, no |
| 00:29.23 | tamiya | /etc/init.d/xdm start results in an error. It doesn't like the start parameter |
| 00:29.34 | abrotman | restart ? |
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| 00:29.35 | tamiya | I can run "xdm" as root, but nothing is showing on my desktop |
| 00:30.17 | tamiya | 'xdm restart |
| 00:30.35 | tamiya | results in the same problem: it doesn't like the extra paremeters |
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| 00:34.25 | cardamon | Running openbox without a DE. Menu generation? what's best for a menu that can be configured but doesn't have to be continuously updated when a change occurs? |
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| 00:38.08 | abrotman | cardamon: so you don't want ot use menu-xdg ? |
| 00:39.38 | cardamon | abrotman: What's that? |
| 00:42.00 | tamiya | sigh |
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| 00:47.53 | Jarvis | or not. |
| 00:49.03 | primis | dondelelcaro: do you have an example of a working sudo config for sid? or should I give up? |
| 00:49.32 | dondelelcaro | primis: Defaults secure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" |
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| 00:49.37 | dondelelcaro | primis: that's what you're looking for |
| 00:49.42 | primis | thank you |
| 00:49.45 | primis | again |
| 00:49.49 | dondelelcaro | primis: see /etc/sudoers.dpkg-dist or similar |
| 00:51.20 | ShinyDarkness | Hello. Is there any way I could install Debian on a physical machine from a CD image? |
| 00:51.55 | cardamon | If i'm running the 3.0.0-1 kernel, I won't need the linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 package anymore, right? |
| 00:52.14 | ShinyDarkness | I have already burnt some 10 CDs in less than 2 days, all of which ended in the trash can. |
| 00:52.33 | dondelelcaro | ShinyDarkness: there are multiple ways to do that, using pxe, tftp or similar |
| 00:52.46 | dondelelcaro | ShinyDarkness: you can also just use a usb key |
| 00:53.34 | ShinyDarkness | dondelelcaro: How big does the USB drive have to be to do that? |
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| 00:54.00 | dondelelcaro | ShinyDarkness: depends on the image |
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| 00:54.07 | macrobat | does mount fallback to type ext2 if it tries to mount an ext3 fs with damaged journal? |
| 00:54.10 | dondelelcaro | ShinyDarkness: you can get away with a 256M one if you're using the netinst |
| 00:54.54 | ShinyDarkness | dondelelcaro: I am using that one. How do I "unload" the image contents to the USB drive? |
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| 00:56.40 | dondelelcaro | ShinyDarkness: you don't. See the install guide. |
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| 00:56.54 | ShinyDarkness | dondelelcaro: Okay. |
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| 00:57.10 | dondelelcaro | !tell ShinyDarkness -about usb-install |
| 00:57.43 | ShinyDarkness | dondelelcaro: Thanks. |
| 01:00.28 | dondelelcaro | ShinyDarkness: np |
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| 01:12.00 | nagetier | hi all, i have purged a packet and removed the config files myself, now i want to reinstall that packet but it won't also install the configs. How can i instruct the packet system reinstalling them? |
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| 01:30.02 | tamiya | On Windows, I can Start-Run 'mstsc' and type in the name of a remote Windows machine and have the Remote Desktop displayed. How do I get this piece of shit remote Debian box to do the same. I've already edited Xaccess and xdm-config |
| 01:30.34 | abrotman | you want a client or server? |
| 01:31.28 | tamiya | i've already followed the instructions at http://www.spencerstirling.com/computergeek/xterminal.html |
| 01:32.04 | wad | tamiya, wait, you want to connect to the windows manager on the remote debian box? |
| 01:32.15 | wad | In other words, you want to use the GUI interface remotely? |
| 01:32.22 | hoverbear | So he wants vnc? |
| 01:32.28 | wad | I think so. |
| 01:32.45 | hoverbear | Either that or he just wants to call things peices of shit for no good reason. |
| 01:32.49 | wad | heh |
| 01:32.56 | rawburt | I just changed squeeze to wheezy and am doing apt-get dist-upgrade.. |
| 01:32.56 | knob | lol... what a way to ask for help |
| 01:32.57 | wad | That's a GREAT way to get support... |
| 01:33.07 | rawburt | I want Xfce4.8 |
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| 01:33.20 | hoverbear | rawburt: :)! |
| 01:33.30 | hoverbear | rawburt: sudo apt-get install xfce4 |
| 01:33.35 | wad | Speaking of getting support, I'm having trouble with my piece-of-$#%! machine, which happens to be running a very nice OS called debian.... |
| 01:33.37 | rawburt | it's already installed.. |
| 01:33.44 | wad | :) |
| 01:33.50 | rawburt | at the moment it's being upgrade along with some 130 other packages |
| 01:33.58 | wad | I think my iptables is confused. |
| 01:34.02 | hoverbear | wad: Introduced my friend to linux today with debian, he seems to be liking it. |
| 01:34.06 | wad | :) |
| 01:34.17 | wad | By default, is there anything in any of the iptables? |
| 01:34.21 | hoverbear | Called me up trying to figure how to get wicd to connect to his working so yay. |
| 01:34.24 | rawburt | wad: I'm decent with iptables... pastebin it |
| 01:34.27 | wad | ^^^ That's my question. |
| 01:34.31 | wooden | Re: taimya's issue, can you run x11vnc on the DM? |
| 01:34.50 | rawburt | wad: just accept on input, output |
| 01:35.00 | hoverbear | wad: http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 01:35.00 | rawburt | not sure what's on the forward table by default |
| 01:35.03 | wad | Mmm. I'm non-good at iptables stuff. |
| 01:35.07 | rawsted | why is hdparm ignoring my config file directives? both /etc/hdparm.conf as well as /etc/default/hdparm |
| 01:35.10 | wad | I've been reading and reading, and I'm not getting it. |
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| 01:35.17 | hoverbear | wad: Ah. :S |
| 01:35.36 | wad | See, a friend of mine (a debian committer, by the way), helped me out. |
| 01:35.49 | wad | He set up my iptables with lots of fancy thigns. |
| 01:35.59 | wad | The machine had two NICs in it, and it did dhcp and NAT. |
| 01:36.21 | rawburt | wad: keep reading them, you'll get it |
| 01:36.32 | rawburt | look at some of the examples of basic iptables on teh Goog |
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| 01:37.00 | hoverbear | Comes for help, calls things peices of shit, leaves without saying anything after lots of help was given. >.> |
| 01:37.03 | wad | But in the meantime, a dozen websites are down, and many of my friends and family can get their email. :( |
| 01:37.12 | wad | s/can/can't/ |
| 01:37.18 | wad | Let me look at something. |
| 01:37.23 | rawburt | sounds like motivation to me |
| 01:37.27 | hoverbear | wad: Try #iptables? |
| 01:37.38 | wad | will in a moment, good idea! |
| 01:37.49 | knob | he/she left? noooo... such a nice chap |
| 01:38.03 | hoverbear | Haha |
| 01:38.30 | hoverbear | Any wmii users? Looking for some help getting dzen and wmii to play nice (What will I do without pretty graphs? D:) |
| 01:39.06 | rawsted | why might hdparm ignore config file directives? i can' /etc/hdparm.conf as well as /etc/default/hdparm |
| 01:39.18 | knob | I didn't want to say anything while tamiya was here, yet I'm looking for that: I just got a Rackspace cloud server (smallest one), and installed Debian on it. How can I connect to the GUI? |
| 01:39.22 | knob | I would guess I have to install it first? |
| 01:39.23 | rawsted | can't get spindown to work in* |
| 01:39.37 | jelly-home | nagetier: first, figure out which package _exactly_ did the config files come from. You may have not purged the correct one (eg. in case of apache, it's apache2.2-common). Then read /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 01:40.04 | hoverbear | knob: Yeah but why not just set up ssh? :S |
| 01:40.18 | knob | Well, I am able to connect ssh to the cli |
| 01:40.26 | hoverbear | knob: Right on. :) |
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| 01:40.29 | knob | Yet I'm an ultra-n00b,... was looking for GUI if possible |
| 01:40.45 | hoverbear | knob: Maybe http://www.linux-tip.net/cms/content/view/302/26/ |
| 01:40.54 | knob | Well, honestly, don't need it... just want to install MySQL and have phpMyAdmin work |
| 01:40.58 | knob | On my way.. =) |
| 01:40.58 | hoverbear | knob: Should be able to use x forwarding |
| 01:41.27 | hoverbear | knob: Never used it myself but honestly using cli is best. Worst case scenario install xorg, openbox, and a vnc server though |
| 01:41.39 | hoverbear | knob: thighvnc works I think |
| 01:41.42 | hoverbear | tight* |
| 01:41.52 | knob | dang... nice article... |
| 01:42.11 | nsadmin | knob, you might consider having text files with sql commands that add the data model you're after, and another file whose sql commands remove it |
| 01:42.13 | knob | I'm going to try and do everything CLI... |
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| 01:42.31 | nagetier | jelly-home: thanks, i will read it.. i deinstalled 'xen-hypervisor-4.1', an deleted the files in /etc/xen/ and that xen files in /etc/init.d/ .. i think it is the packet that installed them first time i install xen-hypervisor (and sorry my broken language) |
| 01:42.39 | knob | ok ok thanks |
| 01:43.04 | knob | I'm going to follow this to install MySQL... any other suggestions/better instruction set? http://ariejan.net/2007/12/12/how-to-install-mysql-on-ubuntudebian |
| 01:43.09 | hoverbear | knob: Yeah try cli first. :) You can always get support for it from us or #sqp or whatever. |
| 01:43.43 | hoverbear | knob: use tasksel |
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| 01:43.56 | hoverbear | knob: sudo tasksel and pick SQL database |
| 01:44.01 | hoverbear | Done -=D |
| 01:44.19 | knob | dang... I live irc... on my way to do that |
| 01:44.20 | knob | brb |
| 01:44.39 | nsadmin | that way, you'll always have the data model, you'll know more and more about sql, it will be much easier to debug since you can add/remove the tables, funcs and transactions at will, and you can document your data model in the file (which you SHOULD do) |
| 01:44.44 | hoverbear | knob: Give it a shot, haven't tried it myself but I saw it earler. |
| 01:45.03 | jelly-home | nagetier: I don't see any package called 'xen-hypervisor-4.1' in Debian. look at its dependencies and at dpkg -S /etc/xen |
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| 01:46.15 | knob | nsadmin, so everything would be administered through those text files? My end product is to run vBulletin |
| 01:46.41 | nsadmin | well to a degree |
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| 01:47.26 | nsadmin | is vB something you're writing or adding to? |
| 01:47.48 | knob | Not sure I understand the question. Installing it from scratch on this new website |
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| 01:48.24 | hoverbear | Ah cool |
| 01:48.31 | nsadmin | if it was authored by someone else, then you'd have to find the sql statements it uses to establish or remove its data model |
| 01:48.33 | knob | tamiya! yei! Dude, we answered your question, AND gave out the meaning to life while you were gone |
| 01:48.44 | nsadmin | you may or may not want to do that I guess |
| 01:48.47 | rawsted | jelly-home: hdparm is now ignoring my config file directives, neither /etc/hdparm.conf nor /etc/default/hdparm seem to have any effect when trying to set spindown timeout - the disks *are* in an md array, but i enabled the RAID_WORKAROUND var |
| 01:48.51 | knob | Ok, I see |
| 01:49.13 | jelly-home | rawsted: sorry? |
| 01:49.17 | hoverbear | gah only 6:40 batteryt life estimate... I'm missing something I guess. |
| 01:49.18 | knob | wow... that tasksel looks nifty... reminds me of my DOS days |
| 01:49.23 | nsadmin | but, if you're writing your own db/web application, it's a really good way to go |
| 01:49.24 | rawsted | jelly-home: you helped me before, i thought maybe you recalled >< |
| 01:49.25 | hoverbear | knob: It's really cool. |
| 01:49.28 | nagetier | jelly-home: sorry, it is the packet 'xen-hypervisor-4.1-i386' from Debian/testing, but dpkg -S /etc/xen says 'xen-utils-common' whitch i have 'autoremove' after deinstalling the hypervisor. |
| 01:49.48 | jelly-home | nagetier: and that is the one you want to purge. |
| 01:49.50 | tamiya | doubt it |
| 01:49.53 | knob | nsadmin, thanks for that... my project involves having to create a database... and I know nothing about that... so it'll be a great learning experience |
| 01:50.33 | tamiya | if I wanted a non-working answer, i know where to go to!!!! |
| 01:50.36 | nagetier | jelly-home: ok, good to know.. |
| 01:50.56 | jelly-home | rawsted: there are hundreds of people getting help daily. It's not easy to keep track |
| 01:51.03 | nsadmin | usually creating a database is one command... then, you would add the structure (tables, etc) in any number of cmds |
| 01:51.10 | jelly-home | or.. sane |
| 01:51.12 | knob | I know dude, but the way of calling debian a PoS. C'mon man, people are here on their own free time. And seriously, your question *did* get answered, because I had the exact same question |
| 01:52.04 | rawsted | jelly-home: yeah, i forget that sometimes, sorry. anyhow, calling hdparm from rc.local seems to set things up properly, but i hate to not follow best practices. any idea why the config files aren't working? |
| 01:52.08 | wad | I found my problem! /etc/init.d/rc.firewall-iptables is messing me up! |
| 01:52.12 | hoverbear | wad: =D! |
| 01:52.17 | tamiya | right |
| 01:52.21 | wad | Is that part of a package? |
| 01:52.27 | nsadmin | all the people here whether they're helpers or not have a mood, experiences, dreams, hopes... in short, they have their humanity |
| 01:52.37 | jelly-home | wad: sounds like a custom script |
| 01:52.41 | wad | ok |
| 01:52.45 | wad | I'm nuking it. :) |
| 01:52.50 | nsadmin | it's nice to keep that in mind when anyone asks or anyone answers or anyone talks |
| 01:53.00 | jelly-home | wad: there goes your fancy iptables config |
| 01:53.07 | wad | yeah |
| 01:53.14 | wad | Which I don't need anymore. |
| 01:53.15 | wad | :) |
| 01:53.20 | jelly-home | rawsted: answer hazy |
| 01:53.27 | tamiya | the community plain sucks |
| 01:53.34 | hoverbear | tamiya: Maybe it's you who sucks. |
| 01:53.42 | hoverbear | I've had nothing but awesome experiences from debian |
| 01:53.54 | nsadmin | tamiya, since you're here, you're part of that community |
| 01:53.57 | tamiya | yeah, reading instructions that DONT work is great fun |
| 01:54.01 | rawsted | jelly-home: hazy? are they here? |
| 01:55.23 | nagetier | jelly-home: wow, thanks, all is fine now, i have the config files.. like it. Really, thank you, you help me a lot! |
| 01:55.29 | jelly-home | rawsted: it's a way to say "no idea". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_8-Ball |
| 01:56.14 | rawsted | jelly-home: ah, i used to have one of those, but i frequently see requests for askers to answer clarification questions from other helpers, so i was confused :| |
| 01:56.26 | jelly-home | tamiya: do not expect Linux documentation to be 100% accurate |
| 01:56.36 | nsadmin | tamiya, taking responsibility for all commands you issue on your machine would be a good thing. For that, reading the man page to find out what something is going to do is what you need |
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| 01:57.07 | wooden | tamiya: Sounds like you want to look in to running x11vnc with your display manager. |
| 01:57.17 | rawsted | jelly-home: i see a lot of calls to logging functions in the hdparm init script - might you at least be able to tell me where those logs wind up? i grepped through /var/log with no luck |
| 01:57.37 | jelly-home | rawsted: nope, sorry |
| 01:57.43 | jelly-home | "ask the channel" |
| 01:57.50 | rawsted | i did :| |
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| 01:58.08 | nsadmin | rawsted, which logging function? to what lib do the logging functions belong? |
| 01:58.24 | frigo | i think my father might be visitng death valley |
| 01:58.36 | frigo | which is why i cant contact them |
| 01:58.37 | rawsted | nsadmin: /lib/lsb/init-functions |
| 01:58.38 | nsadmin | hot place |
| 01:58.41 | frigo | w/w |
| 01:59.03 | rawsted | nsadmin: they're clearly inherited, i just couldn't decipher locations from looking through the source |
| 01:59.18 | nsadmin | source of which? |
| 01:59.35 | rawsted | /etc/init.d/hdparm as well as /lib/lsb/init-functions |
| 01:59.49 | rawsted | say, log_failure_msg |
| 02:00.08 | nsadmin | can you find the definition of log_failure_msg? |
| 02:00.13 | rawsted | yep |
| 02:00.26 | nsadmin | how does it log? |
| 02:00.42 | rawsted | it's unclear to me nsadmin, i'm not a terribly adequate shell scripter |
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| 02:01.27 | nsadmin | where is the definition exactly? (path/file linenumber) |
| 02:01.53 | rawsted | /lib/lsb/init-functions 209 |
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| 02:02.59 | rawsted | it calls log_begin_msg, which is apparently just echoing out, but i'm not sure if at some point it's being redirected |
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| 02:03.32 | rawsted | if it were just going to stdout, i imagine it would be in dmesg/message, but i dunno what the label would be (hdparm?) |
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| 02:04.18 | jelly-home | !bootlogd |
| 02:04.18 | dpkg | bootlogd is used to record boot messages and is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
| 02:04.28 | jelly-home | rawsted: perhaps there, at boot time. |
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| 02:05.25 | rawsted | thanks jelly-home, i'll check it out |
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| 02:16.41 | asarch | How can I "dpkg -L" to a package that it hasn't been installed on the system? |
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| 02:19.39 | abrotman | !tell asarch about apt-file |
| 02:20.06 | asarch | Thank you abrotman |
| 02:20.11 | asarch | Thank you very much :-) |
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| 02:25.20 | raz | any harm to be expected by backporting coreutils from sid to a squeeze box? |
| 02:25.27 | raz | i'm after the --parallel option for sort :) |
| 02:25.54 | cthuluh | I wouldn't do that |
| 02:26.07 | raz | hm dang |
| 02:26.50 | zerobyte | nmap 0.0.0.0 |
| 02:27.13 | cthuluh | raz: why not just get sort from the sid coreutils and install it as /usr/local/bin/sid-sort? |
| 02:27.21 | cthuluh | sounds safer |
| 02:27.27 | raz | cthuluh: well yea. just how? |
| 02:27.47 | raz | guess i'll just grab the coreutils tarball and build from scratch |
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| 02:31.26 | Vasistha | raz: get the .deb from debian ftp and then use dpkg -x to extract it, and copy what you need |
| 02:31.43 | raz | Vasistha: ah good idea! |
| 02:31.46 | raz | thx, gonna try that |
| 02:31.57 | Vasistha | raz: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=coreutils |
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| 02:34.42 | abrotman | what could go wrong :) |
| 02:35.06 | boudiccas | abrotman; power cut? |
| 02:35.08 | Vasistha | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:37.04 | abrotman | raz: why do you need a newer 'sort' ? |
| 02:37.27 | raz | abrotman: sorting a few hundred gigs, the --parallel option sounds rather promising |
| 02:37.51 | raz | i know there are shell hacks to parallelize, but they look rather nasty |
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| 02:48.18 | meder | uh oh |
| 02:48.21 | meder | i really f'd up |
| 02:49.17 | knob | cooked the family parrot instead of the turkey? Don't worry... happened to me last year |
| 02:49.31 | meder | i accidentally removed a bunch of critical packages so gnome/nautilus and such are gone, even network drivers are gone so eth0/wlan0 doesnt work. what can i do to make a new partition of squeeze on my sid? |
| 02:49.51 | meder | i want to make a new working partition in order to extract all the data out and then make that partition my primary. |
| 02:51.21 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 02:51.22 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
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| 02:52.53 | meder | abrotman: but i need to fix network drvers or use usb drver or cd, rght? |
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| 02:55.32 | MikeH | Is it normal for mdadm to do a resync immediately after a fresh install with no data on the drive? |
| 02:56.09 | yagoo | im trying to create a custom keyshortcut -- I'm trying to set a bind for minimizing a window. Is there a document citing an index to built-in commands for window management? (gnome3) |
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| 02:57.04 | yagoo | MikeH, comeon.. it's after install.. |
| 02:57.31 | yagoo | MikeH, if you did a power-plug pull.. that wouldn't be healthy for the raid array and it would be doing a resync |
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| 02:58.08 | MikeH | Exactly why I've asked the question |
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| 02:59.00 | yagoo | MikeH, did you have a power outage? |
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| 02:59.11 | yagoo | MikeH, cat /proc/mdstat |
| 02:59.31 | yagoo | (make sure the swap partition is still in effect) |
| 03:00.30 | yagoo | MikeH, I did an install about 2 weeks ago.. and it was doing a full sync (it may have said resync.. but it was it's first sync-- on raid1 member) |
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| 03:13.48 | wad | My debian server is toast. I'm transferring all of it's duties over to a different machine. There are a bunch of users who have logins on it. Can I just copy their /etc/shadow entries over to the new machine? |
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| 03:14.49 | hoverbear | I like how wmii handles it's workspaces (tagging) and window stacking, is there any way to emulate that xfce? Or could I just run it and have xfce handle everything else? |
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| 03:17.55 | nutron | I have the dialog when you run dpkg-reconfigure... the fonts are messed etc, can't make out what it's asking me. Any quick solutions? ps. this is through a remote shell |
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| 03:18.32 | wad | Oh, wait. The new machine is running Ubuntu, not debian. |
| 03:18.38 | wad | The shadow entries look different. |
| 03:18.47 | wad | I guess everyone will have to create new passwords. |
| 03:19.48 | ptheberge | Hi, how would someone running squeeze would upgrade the xen-linux-system-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 package to xen-linux-system-3.1.0-1-amd64 from sid safely? |
| 03:21.23 | ptheberge | Is there any prescribed way of "mixing" both versions of Debian? |
| 03:21.38 | ptheberge | Or should I rather dist-upgrade for less troubles? |
| 03:22.14 | abrotman | neither of those methods lead to "less troubles" |
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| 03:23.23 | ptheberge_ | Hm... I really need that upgraded xen hypervisor for a feature it has... Any other solution than being screwed? |
| 03:23.49 | Vasistha | ptheberge_: have you checked into backports? |
| 03:25.46 | ptheberge_ | Looks like it's only in wheezy and sid... |
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| 03:28.06 | meder | anyone know the name of the program thats used to setup wlan? i killed a few critical packages and wifi doesnt work |
| 03:28.30 | abrotman | network-manageR? |
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| 03:30.00 | meder | network-manager-gnome .. ah |
| 03:30.05 | meder | i seem to have broke that |
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| 04:12.45 | meder | anyone have any ideas for transferring .deb files to an internet-less comp? |
| 04:13.00 | mohamed-ragab | hi, i want to disallow any body to view /etc/passwd , how to |
| 04:13.13 | meder | usb doesnt work, network-manager was removed, seems cd is the only plausible way |
| 04:13.28 | abrotman | mohamed-ragab: why? what do you think they'll get by reading that? |
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| 04:16.46 | mohamed-ragab | abrotman, i found "SyRiAn Sh3ll" in my vps and i want if any body used it Aegean it must be not allow to view passwd |
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| 04:24.17 | abrotman | mohamed-ragab: the actual passwords aren't in that file |
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| 04:26.28 | mohamed-ragab | ablemann, yes i know "shadow", but if i can disallow view 'passwd' i will do it in '/shadow' |
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| 04:28.08 | mohamed-ragab | abrotman, i see in php code "elseif($rows= Exe('cat /etc/shadow')){echo $rows;}" |
| 04:28.16 | mohamed-ragab | i want to disable it |
| 04:28.57 | abrotman | mohamed-ragab: if that works on your system, you did something to do that .. it's not l9ike that by default |
| 04:29.02 | abrotman | mohamed-ragab: which version of Linux is this? |
| 04:29.49 | mohamed-ragab | debian |
| 04:30.09 | abrotman | then you changed it .. Debian does not install a world-readable /etc/shadow |
| 04:30.44 | abrotman | and the www-data user shouldn't be able to read that file |
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| 04:32.54 | mohamed-ragab | -rw-r--r-- 1 www-data www-data 153849 Nov 27 05:50 rc2.php |
| 04:33.01 | mohamed-ragab | abrotman, -rw-r--r-- 1 www-data www-data 153849 Nov 27 05:50 rc2.php |
| 04:33.22 | abrotman | uhm .. |
| 04:33.31 | abrotman | that's not the same as 'cat /etc/shadow' |
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| 04:34.52 | mohamed-ragab | abrotman, in this file i can "see elseif($rows= Exe('cat /etc/shadow')){echo $rows;}" |
| 04:35.11 | abrotman | who changed permissions on /etc/shadow ? |
| 04:37.21 | mohamed-ragab | me, now and move it to other place to test it and tray to disable function used on it |
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| 04:37.39 | mohamed-ragab | abrotman, sorry |
| 04:37.45 | skilz | Whats a good program to rip audio cds, I use audacious to play music but I dont think it rips? |
| 04:38.13 | mohamed-ragab | no one change permission /etc/shadow |
| 04:38.29 | abrotman | someone did if a PHP script can read it |
| 04:38.36 | TheCox | hey guys, does anyone know how to get dhcp client to send the hostname? |
| 04:38.38 | abrotman | skilz: i've used jack |
| 04:38.48 | abrotman | skilz: it's not a GUI |
| 04:39.00 | peterrooney | skilz: ripperx |
| 04:40.03 | Vasistha | meder: usb flash doesn't work? that's ... odd |
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| 04:42.23 | SuperPhly_ | So, I've got a question/issue that I'm not sure needs to be asked in here or in #plesk, but apparently when I try to install an app in Debian 6.0 that requires the package "javascript-common", it conflicts with plesk-base and says I need to remove plesk-base in order to continue. |
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| 04:43.22 | Vasistha | let's see your /etc/apt/sources.list -- are you running a mixed system? |
| 04:43.58 | SuperPhly_ | Vasistha: plesk is outside of the debian system, 3rd party. |
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| 04:53.52 | primis | updating to sid, about 3/4 of my packages are now sid... 1/4 still squeeze |
| 04:54.09 | primis | is contemplating whether it is worth upgrading the rest... |
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| 04:54.40 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman , kde sound issue solved when removing pulseaudio ... everything is working cool now |
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| 05:04.53 | Vasistha | SuperPhly_: I think what you ought to do is to find the dependency that's causing the issue. There's probably not a direct conflict, probably the package you're trying to install depends on a library that's a different version from one required by plesk |
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| 05:06.26 | Vasistha | SuperPhly_: aptitude is a great tool but figuring this stuff out is still unfortunately somewhat time consuming and confusing. I get the feeling like the information is there in the system but the way it is presented doesn't make the important parts clear |
| 05:06.41 | skilz | Whats a good gtk program to change monitor brightness/color settings? |
| 05:06.49 | chiques_ | So I'm reading instructions on how to install debian but I'm a bit unsure on how to get my image on to my USB stick. Is this what i'm supposed to be following: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-isohybrid ? |
| 05:07.29 | chiques_ | I have already tried to install a couple of times and during the middle of my install I receive an error message where the installer is unable to find the 'image'. |
| 05:08.18 | Vasistha | chiques_: I think that's the right thing, and that is a bummer that it's not working |
| 05:09.15 | chiques_ | Vasistha, so the command # cat debian.iso > /dev/sdb should copy the image into the USB stick? |
| 05:09.32 | Vasistha | chiques_: well, if you got partially into the install then you did that part correctly |
| 05:09.39 | karlpinc | chiques_: You could switch to alt-F2 console (or F3 or something) and read the logs/use the shell to find out what's wrong and get help here. If you have another box to do IRC on. |
| 05:10.39 | Vasistha | chiques_: well .. at least I think you did. provided you got the proper iso, but I imagine you did. karlpinc's suggestion is the best. Maybe during the installation process, udev released and re-read the devices, and the connection to the image got broken and needs to be reestablished |
| 05:10.41 | chiques_ | karlpinc, I'm on a second box right now. I'll do that and post relevant information if I get stuck again |
| 05:10.55 | chiques_ | ok |
| 05:11.15 | karlpinc | Vasistha: I'm also thinking that it could be firmware related -- but that's a random thought and may be totally off-base. |
| 05:13.43 | chiques_ | Vasistha, karlpinc -just and FYI. Ubuntu installed just fine on this machine |
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| 05:14.28 | Vasistha | for years, there used to be a bug, and it was fixed recently - if doing an installation with an encrypted root, and the root is on a removable usb drive, during the boot process, after initrd was loaded, udev would have to re-scan, and before it was finished rescanning, the initrd would start looking for the lvm and cryptroot, and it couldn't find it because udev hadn't detected the device yet |
| 05:15.05 | katronix | can anyone possibly help me figure out the best way to do something? I need to move *.ini from one user to another user, and chown them. anyway to do this in a loop? |
| 05:15.07 | Vasistha | chiques_: did you do it similarly with a usb drive? |
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| 05:15.31 | Vasistha | katronix: you mean chown? |
| 05:15.54 | chiques_ | Vasistha, no, I installed it from a cdrom. I just created a debian dvd rom and it doesn't even boot. I guess I can try to burn a CD iso image to have an ubuntu equivalent |
| 05:16.00 | Vasistha | katronix: afaik only root can effectively do chown, although perhaps I am mistaken |
| 05:16.31 | Vasistha | chiques_: yeah, I usually boot from CD, in fact I use the netinst |
| 05:17.00 | katronix | Vasistha yes I do need to chown them, but that won't actually move the files will? it just changes the owner? |
| 05:17.40 | Vasistha | katronix: ah, you want to do both, got it. chown *.ini otheruser; mv *.ini /home/user/target/dir |
| 05:18.12 | chiques_ | Vasistha, That is what I also get confused. Which image do I download and burn. For example on : http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 05:18.21 | Vasistha | katronix: when you said " *.ini " is that what you actually mean, or are you using that term to describe some class of things? |
| 05:18.33 | Vasistha | chiques_: the 160 MB netinst |
| 05:18.54 | katronix | Vasistha I have about 20 files with the ini extension in various directories |
| 05:18.56 | Vasistha | chiques_: erm, it's 191M, excuse me |
| 05:19.03 | chiques_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:19.35 | Vasistha | katronix: oh, they are in various directories? are you saying you also want to copy the directory structure, or would you be content to just find them all and throw them in the same place? |
| 05:19.46 | Vasistha | chiques_: yeah that's the one you want |
| 05:19.54 | chiques_ | Vasistha, theoretically can I run cat debian-6.0.3-i386-netinst.iso >/dev/sdb (where sdb is my USB stick) and should I be able to boot and install debian? |
| 05:20.09 | Vasistha | chiques_: it might work :) |
| 05:20.21 | Vasistha | chiques_: I guess it's worth a shot, it would certainly be cool |
| 05:20.31 | chiques_ | Vasistha, I can try that before create another coaster from a CDROM |
| 05:20.43 | Vasistha | chiques_: but myself, I usually just burn a disc, and take it with me, I still encounter lots of computers that can't boot from usb |
| 05:20.55 | katronix | Vasistha yeah I just need to be able to say copy /home/katronix/tgc/aurora/config/Main.ini to /home/aurora/config/Main.ini |
| 05:21.07 | Vasistha | katronix: "just" |
| 05:21.34 | chiques_ | Vasistha, I can boot from the USB just fine. It's in the midst of the install where I run into problems. I'll give it a shot |
| 05:22.01 | Vasistha | chiques_: yeah, I'd be concerned the same error would pop up but hey, it sure doesn't hurt to try it once more like that |
| 05:22.08 | katronix | Vasistha yeah I didn't know if cp -R *.ini would do it or not, but somehow I doubted it |
| 05:22.13 | Vasistha | chiques_: btw which image did you put on the usb previously? |
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| 05:23.55 | chiques_ | debian-6.0.3-i386-DVD-1.iso |
| 05:23.59 | chiques_ | right now I"m trying debian-live-6.0.3-i386-gnome-desktop.iso |
| 05:24.26 | Vasistha | katronix: did you say you want to move or copy those files? |
| 05:24.49 | katronix | either works, which ever is fastest / easiest |
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| 05:25.05 | katronix | copy is probably safer in case one is forgotten |
| 05:25.27 | Vasistha | katronix: yeah it's always nice to be able to refer to your previous state |
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| 05:26.18 | Vasistha | katronix: and you are copying from where to where? |
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| 05:28.27 | katronix | Vasistha from /home/katronixserf/tgc/Aurora-Sim/bin (and directories below) to /home/auroraserver/Aurora-Sim/bin (and directories below) |
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| 05:30.14 | chiques_ | Vasistha, the debian-6.0.3-i386-DVD-1.iso image got me to a GUI desktop which has a debian installer on it. I'm giving that a shot. |
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| 05:35.31 | Vasistha | katronix: this might work... |
| 05:35.34 | Vasistha | export src_base=/some/dir dest_base=/other/dir new_user=aurorauser; |
| 05:35.38 | Vasistha | find "$src_base" -name '*.ini' -exec bash -c 'src_dir="${1%/*}"; rel_dir="${src_dir#$src_base}"; dest_dir="$dest_base/$rel_dir"; [[ -d "$dest_dir" ]] || echo mkdir -p "$dest_dir"; flnm="${1##*/}"; dest_fl="$dest_dir/$flnm"; echo cp -ai "$1" "$dest_fl"; echo chown $new_user "$dest_fl";' _ {} \; |
| 05:36.30 | Vasistha | katronix: I put echos in so you can see what it does before doing it |
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| 05:37.42 | katronix | ok, ty. and then I run this as root right? |
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| 05:39.30 | Vasistha | katronix: yeah, you can do that. right now it's not going to do anything except show you what it will do |
| 05:39.49 | Vasistha | katronix: you'll have to take out the the word "echo" in three places |
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| 05:40.33 | Vasistha | katronix: but run it as is first and make sure it's going to do what you want |
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| 05:41.58 | ksbalaji | I need to put wavy lines as borders for my OO text. How do I go about it? I could not get help from oo channel. sorry to present here. But I sincerly seek help. |
| 05:42.22 | katronix | Vasistha thanks! |
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| 05:42.45 | Vasistha | katronix: you're welcome, I hope it works out for you |
| 05:43.12 | Vasistha | katronix: you know ... there might be a much faster and easier way to do that |
| 05:43.22 | Vasistha | hmm. well wait. uhm. maybe not. |
| 05:43.54 | Vasistha | depends on other variables you haven't told me but no matter, there it is |
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| 05:46.30 | katronix | Vasistha that does appear to do what I want, but the directories for the second user exists already, should I get rid of the mkdir -p section? |
| 05:47.38 | Vasistha | katronix: no need -- it does a test to see if the directory exists, and only calls mkdir if it does not |
| 05:47.54 | katronix | ok |
| 05:47.54 | Vasistha | that's the [[ -d "$dest_dir" ]] part |
| 05:48.02 | katronix | ah cool |
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| 05:53.59 | Vasistha | ksbalaji: I have no idea, have you asked google? |
| 05:54.18 | Vasistha | ksbalaji: you might need to create an image and import the image |
| 05:54.53 | Vasistha | ksbalaji: you also might try OOo mailing lists, perhaps they are more responsive. |
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| 05:58.14 | SuperPhly_ | Vasistha: check out this link… i think the conflict is a direct one and not one that's based of a version of a library: http://autoinstall.plesk.com/debian/PSA_10.1.1/dists/etch/all/binary-i386/Packages |
| 05:58.21 | SuperPhly_ | Vasistha: search for plesk-base |
| 05:58.30 | subsume | What does it mean on a box if it takes a really long time to login, a really long time to start things like a mysql shell? |
| 05:58.45 | subsume | but once the prompt comes up it moves quite quickly |
| 05:59.23 | Vasistha | subsume: could be that /etc/profile or /etc/bashrc or ~/.bashrc or something like that is really big and taking a long time |
| 06:00.19 | langkid1 | ZNC is dying |
| 06:00.21 | katronix | Vasistha thanks for the help it worked very well |
| 06:00.40 | Vasistha | katronix: you're welcome, glad it worked out |
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| 06:01.32 | Vasistha | SuperPhly_: how odd. My guess is going to be that the plesk people are not very good at creating debian packages, and they put that conflict line in there because of a problem that they didn't understand how to fix |
| 06:02.02 | SuperPhly_ | Vasistha: that's what i'm thinking… after reading about javascript-common it seems like that thing wouldn't be hard to avoid conflicts |
| 06:02.15 | subsume | Vasistha also for instance 'vim .bashrc' is taking like 30 seconds =) |
| 06:02.28 | Vasistha | subsume: maybe fork is taking a long time |
| 06:02.50 | Vasistha | what would case fork to take a super long time |
| 06:02.54 | Vasistha | s/case/cause/ |
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| 06:02.59 | subsume | Vasistha I'm really not sure. |
| 06:03.04 | subsume | could it be something basic, like high disk io? |
| 06:03.17 | Vasistha | subsume: I don't think that would cause it |
| 06:03.37 | Vasistha | subsume: the only thing I can think of that would case fork to take a long time is if somehow your environment got to be artifically huge |
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| 06:04.10 | Vasistha | what is wrong with my u key that I keep writing case instead of cause |
| 06:05.00 | ksbalaji | Vasistha: That was of great help. I got very good idea from you and designed a border. Thanks. I will also try OOo mailing lists. |
| 06:05.08 | mrtn_ | I installed Debian 6.0 to a server and now I would like to clone this installation to other x86 servers. However, all those servers have more or less different hardware. How well the cloning will work in such case? Am I correct, that if the LKM's are present, then there should not be any issues? |
| 06:05.30 | Vasistha | SuperPhly_: I bet this is it: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=474913 |
| 06:06.03 | Vasistha | ksbalaji: great news, good job |
| 06:06.07 | SuperPhly_ | could be, but i'm not touching lighttpd |
| 06:06.12 | ksbalaji | My trust did not go waste. Thanks friends and bye! |
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| 06:07.20 | Vasistha | SuperPhly_: well yeah but ... the problem is with the behavior exhibited by javascript-common |
| 06:07.36 | subsume | Vasistha I'm not quite sure what that means |
| 06:07.45 | SuperPhly_ | ah, i gotcha, let me look into it |
| 06:08.21 | Vasistha | subsume: whenever a new process is started, linux calls "fork" which takes the currently running process and makes a copy of its environment, using that as a base for the new process. So the process is forked |
| 06:08.49 | Vasistha | subsume: it sounds like fork is taking a long time, so maybe that environment somehow got to be really big. What if you go to a VT and log in there? are you using a graphical desktop? |
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| 06:09.26 | subsume | Vasistha nope, its just a box running barely anything but no GUI |
| 06:09.43 | Vasistha | mrtn_: usually debian clones pretty well. most drivers are simply included for all installations because they just don't take that much space, and then if you change hardware then stuff just works |
| 06:10.31 | Vasistha | subsume: oh now we're getting even stranger. uhm ... I mean I usually think of this kind of like a last resort, but have you considered rebooting? or is it a fresh boot? |
| 06:11.11 | mrtn_ | Vasistha, ok, that's what I expected as well :) One more thing- should one cange some sort of system ID or something after cloning? I mean are there some pre-cloning steps one should take? |
| 06:11.33 | mrtn_ | *I meant after cloning steps |
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| 06:11.54 | Vasistha | mrtn_: no there's nothing like that. you should probably change the hostname for each machine after the clone is done :) |
| 06:12.14 | subsume | Vasistha its not fresh at all, i dunno how long its been running but its been a while |
| 06:12.31 | mrtn_ | Vasistha, thanks! |
| 06:12.39 | Vasistha | subsume: have you checked system resources? htop? |
| 06:13.38 | Vasistha | mrtn_: no problem. dunno if you're aware but you can more or less just copy all the files. there are different and special ways to do that... and depending how different the hardware is you might need to do hard drive partitioning manually |
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| 06:15.19 | SuperPhly_ | is there a way to install a package and force it to install without installing a dependency? |
| 06:15.29 | SuperPhly_ | or ban a package from being installed? |
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| 06:16.23 | Vasistha | SuperPhly_: what's the package you're trying to install again? |
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| 06:17.01 | Vasistha | SuperPhly_: you can "hold" a package, in aptitude press "=" |
| 06:17.31 | SuperPhly_ | well, i'm trying to install "sabnzbdplus" and it wants to install "javascript-common" which "plesk-base" doesn't want installed... |
| 06:17.40 | Vasistha | SuperPhly_: could be that the thing pulling in javascript-common was a recommend rather than a true dependency |
| 06:17.56 | mrtn_ | Vasistha, you mean first create partitions to HDD's on new servers and then just copy files from one partition to another using the cp(1)? From / partition to / partition on the other server, from /var partition to /var partition on another server etc? |
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| 06:19.24 | Vasistha | mrtn_: that's one way but there are faster ways |
| 06:19.56 | SuperPhly_ | Vasistha: possibly, pull it up… when i look at the sabnzbdplus package in aptitude, it doesn't list javascript-common, but it does give me that nice red bar at the bottom |
| 06:20.11 | Vasistha | SuperPhly_: can't, I'm still on oldstable :P |
| 06:20.39 | Vasistha | SuperPhly_: oh wait, I have another computer with squeeze |
| 06:21.30 | Vasistha | SuperPhly_: ah okay looks like this is not so bad |
| 06:22.09 | Vasistha | SuperPhly_: I went to install that .. uh whatever that string of characters was, and then I went over to look at javascript-common which is now marked for (automatic) installation |
| 06:22.39 | Vasistha | SuperPhly_: in javascript-common I am looking at "Packages which depend on javascript-common" and most of them are under "Recommends" |
| 06:22.59 | SuperPhly_ | so how do i tell it to shut up? |
| 06:23.10 | SuperPhly_ | just use that "=" on javascript-common? |
| 06:23.19 | Vasistha | SuperPhly_: there is only one which "Depends" and it is not marked for installation. At any rate, I think you can just -- yeah, use "=" |
| 06:23.53 | Vasistha | SuperPhly_: you might want to "undo" back to having nothing marked, then "hold" javascript common with "=" and then try marking your other package for installation |
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| 06:25.11 | SuperPhly_ | Vasistha: I love you. |
| 06:25.34 | Vasistha | heh glad it's working, I'm going to go to bed now, have a great day |
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| 07:17.13 | kosnick | hello (and goodmorning...) everyone. yesterday i messed up my hd and now i need to reformat it or at least repartition it. It is going to be an external hd with music, photos, movies and so on. What fs should i choose. I thought i should make it ntfs (as i had it earlier) so that i can use it with friends not familiar with linux. Well? |
| 07:18.17 | langkid1 | I use the defaults when I make partitions for linux... |
| 07:18.22 | langkid1 | I know it can read NTFS (at least ubuntu can), but I use what it reccommends |
| 07:19.00 | langkid1 | kosnick, if you wanna share it over network, I don't see how that would be a problem(I'm not very good with linux either), unless you're physicall giving them the HDD |
| 07:19.27 | kosnick | langkid1: well its physicall giving it |
| 07:19.34 | langkid1 | ahh |
| 07:19.53 | langkid1 | you're not using Debian server? |
| 07:20.25 | langkid1 | unless you wanna teach them linux, use NTFS, if Debian'll let you format it as that |
| 07:20.30 | kosnick | ? what do you mean? currently i am in an ubuntu pc but i have another one (eeepc) with debian |
| 07:20.38 | langkid1 | ahhh |
| 07:20.52 | langkid1 | yes, AFAIK ubuntu can support NTFS |
| 07:21.07 | kosnick | i suppose Debian supports NTFS too, doesn't it? |
| 07:21.10 | langkid1 | so, to avoid confusion, I'd use NTFS if ubuntu'll let you |
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| 07:21.13 | kosnick | i would be very impressed if not |
| 07:21.18 | langkid1 | kosnick, ask someone else :) |
| 07:21.23 | langkid1 | knows ubuntu better |
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| 07:21.59 | kosnick | i am pretty confident that debian also uses the ntfs-3g package to "run" ntfs too |
| 07:22.12 | jpinx | it does |
| 07:22.22 | kosnick | i thought so |
| 07:22.28 | kosnick | it couldn't do otherwise |
| 07:22.31 | kosnick | i guess |
| 07:23.01 | jpinx | uses it |
| 07:23.28 | kosnick | so i guess i am using NTFS... |
| 07:23.32 | kosnick | after all. |
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| 07:25.13 | rozie | kosnick: vfat or ntfs are your options |
| 07:25.35 | kosnick | rozie: thx, i am not familiar with vfat though |
| 07:25.48 | rozie | it's just old FAT |
| 07:26.19 | jpinx | vfat still in use for things like SD cards |
| 07:26.22 | rozie | ntfs works fine for me on one "shared" disk |
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| 07:27.31 | rozie | if you family don't have any ancient windows, it should work fine |
| 07:28.12 | kosnick | ok thx everyone, i am off with NTFS then! thx again, |
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| 08:30.17 | Dulak | did something change just recently? all of a sudden my pins aren't being applied right |
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| 08:38.31 | ShinyDarkness | Hello. I burned a CD from Debian's small installation image, but cannot boot from it. |
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| 08:40.00 | ShinyDarkness | I already configured my BIOS to boot from my CD drive. I successfully booted from my Windows XP installation CD, so that cannot be the problem. |
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| 08:41.40 | cahoot | burnt as image? |
| 08:42.13 | ShinyDarkness | Yes. |
| 08:42.33 | cahoot | checked the md5sum? |
| 08:42.49 | ShinyDarkness | Wait, no. I have to check that. |
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| 08:52.13 | MMlosh | Hi! Can debsums be run on an offline system? My computer no longer boots after being booted from a flashdrive. Something went wrong, it was not a linux-ready software (whatever it was). It would be nice to guess how much stuff got wrong |
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| 08:56.22 | TheNoOne | hi ... i'm using nscd with apache2 for virtual suexec users ... but the squeeze server doesn't boot well .. apache2 won't start if nscd isn't up and running ... how do i make apache2 depend on nscd and mysql on bootup? |
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| 09:00.11 | valdyn | TheNoOne: modify the init script header and run insserv |
| 09:01.56 | valdyn | TheNoOne: that is if you are using a dependency based setup as provided by insserv. Thats optional in squeeze I think |
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| 09:06.36 | TheNoOne | valdyn: but if theres an update of apache2 my init script change is gone right? |
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| 09:11.39 | Grotesque | Hi. I use debian 6.0.3 + openbox 3.5.0-2 + ​​menu 2.1.44 I read this statement http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/menu.html/ch6.html and "man update-menus". Created directory .menu in my home directory and put the file "aegisub" there, containing these words http://paste.org/41352 Then run update-menus of the user. Aegisub dosn't appear in my menu. |
| 09:11.42 | Grotesque | Then I copied the file "aegisub" as root in /etc/menu and update-menus, aegi appeared in the menu. Question: Why does he not appear in the menu when the file aegisub is located in /home/user/.menu? |
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| 09:12.06 | skilz | any good gui for partitioning? |
| 09:12.08 | jaggz- | anyone figure out where/if "at" keeps logs? |
| 09:12.22 | skilz | I have an old ubuntu partition I want to delete and use the space |
| 09:12.32 | jaggz- | gparted? |
| 09:12.37 | skilz | but I need to figure out which /dev/sda* it is |
| 09:13.36 | jaggz- | skilz, gparted maybe |
| 09:14.29 | wallumpo | My gnome-system-monitor applet only shows disk activity if I'm reading/writing from my Windows partition. The expanded gnome-system-monitor doesn't even have a place to show disk activity [http://i.imgur.com/esv7G.png] I'm running Squeeze 6.0.3 under dm-crypt with no LVM, on the same disk as the Windows partition (only one physical disk). Is there somewhere I can specify which partition to monitor? |
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| 09:14.59 | _pal_ | hi all |
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| 09:15.42 | _pal_ | there is something strange about renaming files at gentoo file manager |
| 09:15.58 | _pal_ | it adds '*' to all executable files |
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| 09:16.21 | _pal_ | so, when I rename it and don't remove that '*' from the name, it adds one more |
| 09:16.26 | _pal_ | and so on |
| 09:16.34 | _pal_ | does anyone know how to fix it? |
| 09:16.56 | _pal_ | <unfortunately, it seems there is no separate channel for that file manager> |
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| 09:21.10 | valdyn | wallumpo: i cant see gnome-system-monitor monitoring *any* partition |
| 09:21.23 | valdyn | wallumpo: or do you mean the fill level of each partition? |
| 09:21.33 | wallumpo | valdyn: no, the I/O |
| 09:21.44 | valdyn | wallumpo: theres no I/O as far as i can see |
| 09:22.07 | valdyn | wallumpo: on your screenshot there isnt, on my g-s-m there isn't |
| 09:23.33 | wallumpo | valdyn: there is a box for it if you add it to the panel, though |
| 09:23.48 | wallumpo | and it works if i do file operations on the windows partition |
| 09:23.49 | mah454 | How can change pptp server port ? |
| 09:23.51 | valdyn | wallumpo: ok, so youre talking about a different program |
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| 09:24.02 | valdyn | wallumpo: the applet is not the same as the gnome-system-monitor |
| 09:24.05 | wallumpo | oh |
| 09:24.33 | skilz | How to change permissions for /mnt/media so I can read/write to it? |
| 09:24.40 | valdyn | skilz: not |
| 09:24.46 | wallumpo | It's named exactly the same and when i click the panel it opens g-s-m :\ |
| 09:25.03 | valdyn | wallumpo: its a different program, but it can start g-s-m |
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| 09:26.40 | mah454 | can config pptpd over xinetd ? |
| 09:26.44 | valdyn | wallumpo: please refrain from cross postingm |
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| 09:30.01 | valdyn | mah454: ppp runs over a serial link, not over tcp/ip |
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| 09:30.18 | IamTrying | ASUS Eee pad transformer i have. There today i installed the OS, and now i get this how can i fix it? e.g: http://i.imgur.com/E9o16.png |
| 09:30.48 | mah454 | valdyn, what ? |
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| 09:31.03 | mah454 | valdyn, pptp server open port 1723 over tcp/ip |
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| 09:32.58 | IamTrying | How do i say to look in the sdcard? /sdcard/Debian/rootfs.ext2 ? e.g ./nvflash --bct transformer.bct --setbct --configfile flash.cfg --bl bootloader.bin --odmdata 0x300d8011 --sbk 0x1682CCD8 0x8A1A43EA 0xA532EEB6 0xECFE1D98 --sync |
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| 09:36.11 | valdyn | mah454: thats only the control channel |
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| 09:37.41 | mah454 | valdyn, can change port ? |
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| 09:38.26 | valdyn | mah454: i dont see that you can change the port, but that would also be pointless as the tunneled traffic goes not via tcp/ip |
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| 09:39.05 | valdyn | mah454: the protocol is called GRE |
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| 09:42.09 | mah454 | valdyn, it's interesting ... |
| 09:42.17 | kantor | Hello |
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| 09:43.28 | kantor | How can I enable mouse cursor in virtual terminals in debian (tty's)? |
| 09:43.34 | fivaproldge | hi all |
| 09:44.02 | valdyn | kantor: install gpm |
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| 09:44.28 | kantor | Thanks valdyn |
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| 09:46.12 | fivaproldge | I have switchable graphics on my laptop, and debian can't configure screen resolution, so I have 1024x768 instead of 1376x768, I have installed backports for xserver-xorg-video-intel and linux-image-2.39-bpo.2-amd64 and still nothing |
| 09:46.43 | fivaproldge | can anybody help me? |
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| 09:48.43 | fivaproldge | hey gyus :( |
| 09:48.56 | miguel000 | the debian installer wants me to provide iwlwifi-1000-[1-3].ucode on a portable device, any ideas where I can get it? |
| 09:48.56 | ddalton | hey can anyone give me some advice on getting my internal mic |
| 09:48.57 | ddalton | working on my dell vostro 3350 laptop running squeeze? |
| 09:49.13 | ddalton | I seem to have all the volumes up in alsamixer, and set it to mic, |
| 09:49.14 | ddalton | not line in |
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| 09:51.24 | FransUrbo | Anyhone here? |
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| 09:58.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps I got a question about safe-upgrade on debian with aptitude.. |
| 09:58.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | how safe is it with the whole upgrading the kernels.. |
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| 09:59.36 | FransUrbo | Do you use a lot of special modules? I.e., modules that does not come with the kernel-image package? |
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| 09:59.53 | meta-coder | !hi |
| 09:59.54 | dpkg | hello, meta-coder |
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| 10:01.43 | fivaproldge | I have switchable hgraphics on my laptop and resolutions doesn't configured :( |
| 10:02.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | hmm |
| 10:02.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | nope |
| 10:02.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | the only thing i use is kvm |
| 10:02.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | that has to work.. |
| 10:03.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am not compiling any modules or doing custom ones etc |
| 10:03.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | most outa the box here |
| 10:03.16 | FransUrbo | Eryn_1983_FL: Then I would say 'very safe'. |
| 10:03.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | FransUrbo: ok cool |
| 10:03.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | just need to reboot once i install them |
| 10:04.19 | FransUrbo | Eryn_1983_FL: You shouldn't HAVE to... The reboot is just to get the new kernel... If you don't need/want to, you can postopne that... |
| 10:04.38 | fivaproldge | Eryn_1983_FL: that's a solution for me? |
| 10:04.46 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 10:04.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | fivaproldge: no... for me |
| 10:04.59 | fivaproldge | :( |
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| 10:05.47 | FransUrbo | fivaproldge: Wish I could help, but I haven't got the foggiest what you're talking about. |
| 10:06.47 | fivaproldge | FransUrbo: very bad :( |
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| 10:08.46 | MimeNarrator | if I was in the process of an aptitude dist-upgrade to testing and lost internet connectivity briefly while the packages were downloading, causing a number to be skipped, but an attempt was made to install packages anyway and was halted, what is the best way to fix things to complete the upgrade? |
| 10:09.49 | FransUrbo | MimeNarrator: apt-get -f install |
| 10:10.05 | FransUrbo | MimeNarrator: apt-get should have told you that, if you ran 'apt-get upgrade' again... |
| 10:10.24 | MimeNarrator | i hadnt run anything again for fear of making things worse |
| 10:10.45 | FransUrbo | MimeNarrator: With apt, you could never do any worse :). It actually 'just works' :) |
| 10:10.45 | ompaul | MimeNarrator: do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:11.08 | MimeNarrator | that's comforting |
| 10:11.22 | MimeNarrator | figured the risk was higher in a dist-upgrade |
| 10:11.33 | ompaul | MimeNarrator: if you started an upgrade and stopped you need to resume if you started a dist-upgrade you need to complete it or you end up with a system which has parts of two systems (not a great idea) |
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| 10:12.02 | MimeNarrator | ompaul: precicely my fear |
| 10:12.29 | ompaul | MimeNarrator: the idea is that it all just works together, but if you fracture it ... until you fix it (i.e. running the commands again) you won't be finished |
| 10:12.44 | MimeNarrator | unfortunately it halted itself because of the packages it couldnt download, but not before starting to install some that it did download |
| 10:12.46 | ompaul | MimeNarrator: go to a doctor and ask them to fix 2/3 of a broken leg ... go fix it all |
| 10:13.12 | ompaul | MimeNarrator: are you still here or have you started apt-get updat&& apt-get dist-upgrade yet ;-) |
| 10:13.21 | ompaul | apt-get update that is |
| 10:13.28 | FransUrbo | MimeNarrator: It shoudln't have started installing untill it got them all... Strange. |
| 10:13.32 | WormFood | does debian installer allow me to install to a network share (nfs)? |
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| 10:13.51 | FransUrbo | WormFood: Yes. How do you mean? |
| 10:13.52 | ompaul | jawot |
| 10:14.13 | WormFood | FransUrbo, diskless workstation |
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| 10:14.34 | ompaul | WormFood: you mean you are going to run a tftp boot and what not |
| 10:14.47 | MimeNarrator | both, it's in a vm |
| 10:14.51 | WormFood | ompaul, I already do that ;) |
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| 10:15.12 | sedulous | Does anyone have a script that backports Deluge to stable? |
| 10:15.26 | ompaul | !tell WormFood about d-i |
| 10:15.27 | sedulous | or generally useful information about automated backports |
| 10:15.40 | WormFood | I can boot knoppix over the network...really nice (plus I setup a lot of floppy/iso images, for things like testing hard drives) |
| 10:16.24 | MimeNarrator | so I tried apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and it said I needed -f. I ran apt-get -f update and it seemed to do that fine. Then i ran apt-get dist-upgrade and it said I needed -f so I ran apt-get -f dist-upgrade and it said cannot fix dependencies... |
| 10:16.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | wow i had 56 packages that were needing to be installed.. |
| 10:17.31 | MimeNarrator | this is what I was afraid of *sigh* |
| 10:17.40 | MimeNarrator | stupid internet connection dying at precicely the wrong time |
| 10:17.58 | FransUrbo | MimeNarrator: Did you try 'apt-get -f install' ? |
| 10:18.22 | ompaul | MimeNarrator: move box to router and stick a wire in |
| 10:18.45 | WormFood | MimeNarrator, if you think China makes shit products, just experience Chinese Internet, and it will make you appreciate your Internet connection :P |
| 10:19.08 | MimeNarrator | I think it was actually my router in fairness to my internet connection |
| 10:19.20 | MimeNarrator | or could have been my nic |
| 10:19.34 | MimeNarrator | been acting weird the last couple days |
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| 10:19.47 | MimeNarrator | FransUrbo: for a broken dist-upgrade? |
| 10:19.53 | ompaul | MimeNarrator: unlikely a nic |
| 10:19.54 | WormFood | I had the same modem for years, and one time they diagnosed that as being the problem, even tho it appeared to work fine...I think I was maxing out the memory or something. |
| 10:19.58 | FransUrbo | MimeNarrator: For about everything :) |
| 10:20.09 | WormFood | I agree, unlikely a nic, but possible |
| 10:20.25 | ompaul | MimeNarrator: in that case please restart the router and see if it is well behaved |
| 10:20.35 | ompaul | might also be good to reset it etc |
| 10:20.38 | FransUrbo | MimeNarrator: You might have to give it a package at the end. Just give it one of the broken packages (if it say). |
| 10:20.42 | ompaul | but those are your choices |
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| 10:20.49 | MimeNarrator | FransUrbo: tried it couldnt resolve dependencies. |
| 10:21.18 | WormFood | I saw one network get a near lightning strike, and it blew the ethernet receiver in EVERY nic on the network, except one...that was fun to troubleshoot. |
| 10:22.37 | ompaul | WormFood: I've had similar but it looked like only the router died |
| 10:22.39 | ompaul | na |
| 10:22.50 | MimeNarrator | ompaul: i've been working on it, it's a simple router and I am at something of a loss as to what the issue is. Reset it lots of times. could be dying hardware I guess but it's not brand new or very old. |
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| 10:23.04 | ompaul | it was more funafter I rebooted a rather large xeon box it decided to kill it altogether |
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| 10:23.06 | MimeNarrator | so, am I screwed? |
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| 10:23.28 | MimeNarrator | I do have a package list i made before I started the upgrade |
| 10:23.29 | FransUrbo | MimeNarrator: Could you go to #flood and past the output there? |
| 10:23.30 | WormFood | a lot of older routers are not fast enough for today's high speed internet connections. |
| 10:23.31 | ompaul | MimeNarrator: no you are going to reset it, apt-get update try another one etc |
| 10:23.55 | ompaul | MimeNarrator: paste the output into http://paste.debian.net |
| 10:23.57 | MimeNarrator | ompaul: internet is fine now |
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| 10:24.34 | MimeNarrator | apt-get update looks like it works fine |
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| 10:24.55 | FransUrbo | MimeNarrator: Yeah, that's because it doesn't actually DO anything (usefull :) |
| 10:24.58 | MimeNarrator | but when I try to do apt-get -f anything it says it cant resolve the deps |
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| 10:25.45 | MimeNarrator | FransUrbo: right, i just meant I dont think the router is my issue in fixing things at this point. it may have been the cause but other things are the problem now. |
| 10:26.12 | FransUrbo | MimeNarrator: I don't care about your router, that's ompaul who've fixated on that :) |
| 10:26.31 | ompaul | FransUrbo: thanks I didn't know what was wrong with me ;-) |
| 10:27.02 | FransUrbo | ompaul: First things first. His broken system is more important than his possibly-broken router... |
| 10:27.13 | MimeNarrator | MimeNarrator: yeah I directed the comment about apt-get update at ompaul sorry |
| 10:28.13 | MimeNarrator | http://paste.debian.net/147166/ |
| 10:28.35 | MimeNarrator | lol, meant to direct that statement to FransUrbo not myself |
| 10:28.40 | MimeNarrator | anyway that |
| 10:28.48 | MimeNarrator | that's the output from apt-get -f install |
| 10:28.57 | MimeNarrator | rather long to flood irc with |
| 10:29.18 | boudiccas | ,version chromium |
| 10:29.19 | judd | Package: chromium on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.13.2-1; squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; wheezy: 14.0.835.202~r103287-1; sid: 15.0.874.106~r107270-1 |
| 10:29.27 | FransUrbo | MimeNarrator: Ok, so that looks simple enough. It's libglib2.0-0 that's at fault. 'apt-get -f install libglib2.0-0' should do it. |
| 10:29.31 | ompaul | MimeNarrator: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade do that now |
| 10:29.55 | ompaul | actyally forget about me I'm off to eat some fewd |
| 10:30.07 | FransUrbo | MimeNarrator: Stop listening on ompaul for a moment. Any type of upgrade won't work in this case. Not until you've fixed the dependency problems. |
| 10:30.15 | MimeNarrator | ompaul: tried that first |
| 10:30.26 | MimeNarrator | beforee |
| 10:30.52 | MimeNarrator | FransUrbo: yeah I see that now, although i'd have thought apt would have been able to figure it out if it were that simple. I'll try doing it myself though |
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| 10:31.42 | FransUrbo | MimeNarrator: These kind of conflicts are quite common, but the'e quite easy to get past... |
| 10:32.02 | FransUrbo | MimeNarrator: I get them almost all the time, I don't even think about it anymore :) |
| 10:32.34 | FransUrbo | MimeNarrator: Don't know why apt haven't "learned" to get around it yet though... |
| 10:32.55 | MimeNarrator | sadly no luck |
| 10:33.13 | MimeNarrator | http://paste.debian.net/147167/ |
| 10:33.24 | MimeNarrator | of course what it suggests is what I showed the output of last time |
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| 10:34.23 | FransUrbo | MimeNarrator: And the command it suggest at the very bottom doesn't work either? |
| 10:34.50 | MimeNarrator | the command it suggests at the very bottom is the command I ran that caused you to suggest I run this command. |
| 10:35.12 | FransUrbo | So the first pastbin was from 'apt-get -f install'? |
| 10:35.18 | MimeNarrator | yeah |
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| 10:35.32 | MimeNarrator | anything else I can paste that would be helpful? |
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| 10:36.28 | FransUrbo | try: find /var/cache/apt/archives -name '*glib2.0.0*' |
| 10:37.04 | MimeNarrator | outputs nothing |
| 10:37.22 | FransUrbo | Ok, so that's the package it failed to download. |
| 10:37.25 | MimeNarrator | would the package list I created before upgrading be helpful in getting my system to a working state? |
| 10:37.38 | FransUrbo | Now, let's see... How do we get apt to download only that... |
| 10:38.15 | FransUrbo | Doubtfull, apt/dpkg won't let you do much since there's conflicts... |
| 10:38.24 | MimeNarrator | well I tried to have apt install that but apt said there were other unmet dependencies? |
| 10:38.43 | FransUrbo | How about: apt-get --reinstall install libglib2.0.0 |
| 10:38.44 | MimeNarrator | dont know why i put a question mark after that |
| 10:39.45 | MimeNarrator | http://paste.debian.net/147168/ |
| 10:39.46 | FransUrbo | Worst case, you need to use ftp to get the offending package manually and then install that with dpkg, not apt. |
| 10:40.11 | MimeNarrator | *sigh* if I were smarter I would have made a vmware snapshot before starting the upgrade |
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| 10:41.36 | FransUrbo | What dist version are you tying to upgrade to? And don't worry, getting this fixed isn't THAT hard |
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| 10:42.55 | FransUrbo | Ok, so apt is stubborn. It's not often I get that. We need to give it a couple of bitchslaps to get it to do our bidding... |
| 10:43.13 | MimeNarrator | haha |
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| 10:43.30 | MimeNarrator | ok here's what dpkg gives me when trying to install the package i downloaded from ftp |
| 10:43.31 | MimeNarrator | http://paste.debian.net/147169/ |
| 10:44.15 | MimeNarrator | trying to go squeeze -> testing |
| 10:45.11 | MimeNarrator | should I auto-deconfigure? |
| 10:45.46 | FransUrbo | MimeNarrator: Ah, much better! Try: dpkg --force-breaks --install libglib2.0-0_2.28.8-1_amd64.deb |
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| 10:46.25 | FransUrbo | MimeNarrator: Or if that doesn't work: --force-all |
| 10:47.00 | MimeNarrator | http://paste.debian.net/147170/ |
| 10:47.06 | MimeNarrator | for --force-breaks |
| 10:47.11 | MimeNarrator | I'll try force-all |
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| 10:47.54 | MimeNarrator | ok now it seems to have done something at least |
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| 10:48.02 | MimeNarrator | what apt command should I try now? |
| 10:48.27 | FransUrbo | MimeNarrator: Now possibly 'apt-get -f install' will work. |
| 10:49.40 | MimeNarrator | http://paste.debian.net/147172/ |
| 10:49.45 | MimeNarrator | nope |
| 10:50.04 | valdyn | !bobbit |
| 10:50.05 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt ]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Lenny, Squeeze, and any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 10:50.39 | FransUrbo | MimeNarrator: Ok, how about: apt-get --fix-broken |
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| 10:51.39 | valdyn | MimeNarrator: your dependencies are likely not solvable as you have wheezy and/or sid packages installed but now only squeeze packages available |
| 10:51.54 | valdyn | MimeNarrator: read what dpkg said |
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| 10:52.32 | FransUrbo | As long as one don't get libc problems, enything is (quite) easily fixed :) |
| 10:52.51 | valdyn | just not by running apt-get whatever |
| 10:53.09 | FransUrbo | Second worse case: dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb |
| 10:53.18 | FransUrbo | But that's kind'a dangerous... |
| 10:53.24 | valdyn | that would solve nothing |
| 10:53.27 | FransUrbo | valdyn: Agreed |
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| 10:53.48 | valdyn | MimeNarrator: you need to downgrade your wheezy/sid packages or upgrade the whole system |
| 10:54.03 | valdyn | MimeNarrator: or just reinstall |
| 10:54.20 | FransUrbo | valdyn: It will get the latest package installed and from that it's somewhat easier to run apt etc to run |
| 10:54.36 | FransUrbo | Ahh... I was wondering when someone would suggest 'reinstalling'... |
| 10:54.54 | FransUrbo | That's the cowards exit :) |
| 10:55.13 | boudiccas | rubbish, its just another option |
| 10:55.15 | valdyn | hes gone, duh |
| 10:55.31 | valdyn | reinstalling is easier for someone so obviously totally unfamiliar with how this works |
| 10:55.39 | FransUrbo | saw that. He/she have problem with the router. Which was the course of the problem in the firstplace... |
| 10:55.54 | FransUrbo | Easier yes, more fun no :) |
| 10:56.01 | valdyn | even worse, having a totally fucked up system and not noticing that |
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| 11:02.57 | mrtn_ | What is a good practice for start of the first partition? I mean which sector? 2048? |
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| 11:03.58 | FransUrbo | mrtn_: Sector 1? |
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| 11:04.39 | mrtn_ | FransUrbo, AFAIK one need to leave little room for MBR code. |
| 11:04.40 | FransUrbo | mrtn_: Why would you want to start so far in on the disk? |
| 11:04.56 | FransUrbo | mrtn_: Isn't that just a few bytes? |
| 11:05.07 | meta-physicist | mrtn_, mbr is outside all the partitions |
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| 11:06.29 | mrtn_ | FransUrbo, meta-physicist: I meant boot loader code. I mean part of the boot loader code is inside the MBR and the rest of the boot loader code should be between the MBR and first partition? |
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| 11:08.37 | meta-physicist | "Some MBR code loads additional code for a boot manager from the first track of the disk, which it assumes to be "free" space that is not allocated to any disk partition, and executes it." - Wikipedia |
| 11:08.42 | MimeNarrator | ugh vmware seems to have managed to crash the host somehow (which was running IRC as well as the debian vm I was trying to fix) |
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| 11:09.15 | MimeNarrator | now I bet once I get that rebooted debian won't boot |
| 11:09.16 | mrtn_ | meta-physicist, FransUrbo: check this out: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-4kb-sector-disks/ "In principle, you can start the first partition with a sector number as low as 8 for proper alignment; however, it's best to start the first partition at 64 or higher to leave room for boot loader code in the unallocated space between the MBR and the first partition." |
| 11:09.37 | MimeNarrator | maybe I should just wipe it and start over, nothing very important to lose since it was a recent install. |
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| 11:10.46 | MimeNarrator | that is if the checkdist on the host ever finishes *sigh* |
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| 11:11.28 | MimeNarrator | note to self: always make snapshot when running a dist-upgrade on a vm. |
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| 11:12.53 | FransUrbo | MimeNarrator: I was just saying to valdyn that a reinstall is the coward exit :). Proably the easiest one, but not the most fun or rewarding. It's a nice feeling to get something broken fixed :) |
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| 11:13.17 | MimeNarrator | FransUrbo: yeah, I would prefer to fix it for sure. |
| 11:13.39 | MimeNarrator | otherwise I would have reinstalled almost immediately since I'd lose nothing important |
| 11:13.43 | FransUrbo | MimeNarrator: And the VM should boot with 'init=/bin/bash' on teh boot param. Then it won't try to start up all (broken) services etc... |
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| 11:14.09 | FransUrbo | MimeNarrator: But on the other hand, you have a very limited system to work with... |
| 11:14.19 | MimeNarrator | I'll give it another shot when the host finishes its chkdsk some day |
| 11:14.53 | MimeNarrator | but I have a feeling I'm gonna have to resort to reintall |
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| 11:15.03 | woshty | i am running wheezy and xfce and seem to be unable to get xfce4-terminal to send alt+number to an irssi running .. there is a bug open for something gtk related (#649098). xterm fails as well. shell works. |
| 11:15.13 | MimeNarrator | what I wonder is why it tried to start installing the dist-upgrade when it failed to download a bunch of packages it needed |
| 11:15.17 | MimeNarrator | that clearly should not happen |
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| 11:16.00 | FransUrbo | MimeNarrator: Yeah, I wonder that to and I agree - it should not have done that... Have no answer unfortunatly. Never seen that myself... |
| 11:16.43 | FransUrbo | MimeNarrator: There's a NUBMER of ways to get this fixed, it's just a matter of starting with the simplest one and go from there, getting more and more complicated as things won't work... |
| 11:17.36 | MimeNarrator | I used "aptitude dist-upgrade" if that makes a difference. |
| 11:17.55 | MimeNarrator | should I report a bug somewhere? |
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| 11:18.15 | FransUrbo | MimeNarrator: In a single user runlevel, running 'dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb' should get you closer. With a little luck, it got almost everything before the router 'crashed' (or whatever happened to it) |
| 11:18.37 | FransUrbo | MimeNarrator: What version where you upgrading FROM and TO? |
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| 11:19.36 | MimeNarrator | squeeze -> wheezy |
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| 11:20.26 | MimeNarrator | looks chkdsk is finding all sorts of errors so we'll see what's left of the vm to even fix |
| 11:20.27 | FransUrbo | MimeNarrator: Ok, that's quite resent so I have no idea why it acted like that! But I guess you don't have any logs on exactly what happened, then it's difficult to get something out of putting in a bugreport... |
| 11:20.37 | woshty | I can reproduce, that gnome-terminal works. How can that be? Why did that get into testing? And how can I fix that? |
| 11:21.21 | FransUrbo | woshty: Testing is/can be very, very unstable at times.. Downgrade? |
| 11:21.39 | FransUrbo | woshty: It's kina in the name 'testing' |
| 11:22.24 | ompaul | !downgrade |
| 11:22.24 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 11:22.39 | MimeNarrator | FransUrbo: well the key thing seems to be that it tried to go ahead after some packages failed to download. Maybe I'll take a snapshot once I get everything fixed and then try reproducing it for a bug report. |
| 11:22.54 | thewanderer1 | hi, what's the preferred way to get Java applets to run in Squeeze? a page is telling me I need a Java JRE... are the Sun non-free packages still the way to go? |
| 11:22.55 | MimeNarrator | simple enough to kill the internet connection |
| 11:23.34 | ompaul | !java |
| 11:23.35 | dpkg | Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian; for Squeeze and Lenny systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 11:23.39 | FransUrbo | MimeNarrator: If you have the time, shure that would probably be great. |
| 11:23.40 | woshty | FransUrbo: usually it works fine, some minor issues or missing links to libs or something aside. and it does not seem to be an app that is broken but gtk+ and they knew apparently. |
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| 11:24.36 | MimeNarrator | whether I have the time will probably depend on how messed up the host hard drive is when it finally puts (or if I suppose) |
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| 11:24.51 | MimeNarrator | puts = boots |
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| 11:26.23 | swoody | thewanderer1: I always perfer to suggest free (as in speech) software, so I would suggest trying out OpenJDK first. If you have any incompatibilities between that and your app I would try the sun-java version |
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| 11:26.52 | swoody | tbh, I haven't had anything preventing me from using OpenJDK for my needs though, ymmv, etc. etc. |
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| 11:27.13 | thewanderer1 | alright, I'm on IcedTea + OpenJDK... now, a dialog pops up asking me whether to trust a certificate, and upon clicking Run, nothing happens |
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| 11:27.22 | MimeNarrator | or just rewrite the java program in a serious language like C++ (joking *ducks*) |
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| 11:27.51 | thewanderer1 | this is after downloading and running a JNLP file which is probably supposed to be a stub for launching something bigger |
| 11:27.54 | swoody | I think mime just volunteered for a new job ;) |
| 11:28.12 | thewanderer1 | hmmm... SuperMicro will surely be interested :P |
| 11:28.17 | Pinchiukas | Hey, the man page says 'cal -M' works/exists, but it doesn't! |
| 11:28.24 | MimeNarrator | no, I volunteered thewanderer1 for a new job haha |
| 11:29.02 | Pinchiukas | Anybody can acknowledge that? |
| 11:29.40 | thewanderer1 | Pinchiukas, I think I ran into that, yes... maybe it works with ncal (which has an altogether uglier format)? |
| 11:29.49 | swoody | Pinchiukas: maybe what you're looking for is 'ncal -M' ? |
| 11:30.39 | Pinchiukas | Ah, that works. I thought for some reason even that didn't work. |
| 11:30.45 | Pinchiukas | Anyway, it's kind of a bug. :) |
| 11:30.50 | thewanderer1 | ok, I launched the file manually: javaws some_filename.jnlp... Caused by: net.sourceforge.jnlp.LaunchException: Fatal: Application Error: Cannot grant permissions to unsigned jars |
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| 11:31.45 | swoody | sounds like it didn't acknoledge you accepting the certificate |
| 11:32.18 | swoody | might want to try sun-java's jre to rule out an issue with the applet |
| 11:32.41 | skilz | Anyone know a way to get some sore of volume bar/graph on osd_cat (xosd-bin) |
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| 11:32.49 | skilz | s/sore/sort |
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| 11:33.14 | skilz | Im getting an output like 46% |
| 11:33.35 | skilz | but I would like something like 46% ||||||||||||||| |
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| 11:35.32 | sedulous | How can I install both pure-ftpd and proftpd? They both provide the virtual ftp-server package and conflict with it. |
| 11:36.07 | sedulous | There's a 5 year old abandoned bug about this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=398821 |
| 11:36.15 | Pinchiukas | The bug is like 7 years old. |
| 11:36.34 | MimeNarrator | not an elegant solution but: run one of them in a vm haha? |
| 11:36.36 | Pinchiukas | But the maintainers are acting like total douchebags. They're not even admitting the bug. |
| 11:36.43 | Pinchiukas | Not even a WONTFIX. |
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| 11:37.12 | sedulous | It's clearly a bug unless there is a simple workaround that I'm not aware of |
| 11:37.20 | Pinchiukas | Yeah. |
| 11:37.30 | sedulous | Like rolling your own package that doesn't conflict... |
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| 11:37.45 | sedulous | which seems silly |
| 11:38.22 | Pinchiukas | Umm stuff might have changed since 2004 - maybe now you can install an alternative package. :) |
| 11:38.46 | woshty | and how can i lock settings for /etc/alternatives? i do not want apt/aptitude to change my default webbrowser (or terminal). |
| 11:39.15 | FransUrbo | Anyone know how to make a amd64 kernel, but allowing it to be installed on i386 (i.e., creating *_i386.deb)? |
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| 11:39.43 | FransUrbo | with make-kpkg that is... I've done it a couple of times before, but I've forgot how.. |
| 11:39.57 | sedulous | MimeNarrator: that is actually an option that I'm considering in this case |
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| 11:40.58 | MimeNarrator | sedulous: just be sure to take a snapshot before doing any dist-upgades so you dont end up with my problems |
| 11:41.11 | MimeNarrator | rather sad if you have to resort to that solution though |
| 11:41.24 | MimeNarrator | but I guess it depends what you want to use them both for |
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| 11:41.35 | MimeNarrator | for some applications might be good anyway |
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| 11:42.46 | sedulous | MimeNarrator: in this case, i need a VM for something else anyway so it's not a big problem |
| 11:43.09 | MimeNarrator | FransUrbo: ok I'm giving up on fixing it, figure a better use of my time would be to try to replicate it and file a bug after I reinstall. |
| 11:43.22 | MimeNarrator | sedulous: figured that might be the case |
| 11:43.43 | MimeNarrator | still, on principle it's unfortunate |
| 11:43.53 | FransUrbo | MimeNarrator: Ok, sorry I lead you in a wrong path. |
| 11:44.08 | MimeNarrator | no, thanks very much for the help |
| 11:44.18 | MimeNarrator | might have worked out eventually were it not for the crash |
| 11:44.39 | sedulous | MimeNarrator: it might be a good opportunity to setup a semi-automatic backporting environment that, as a side-effect, can also rebuild one of the two ftpds |
| 11:44.46 | MimeNarrator | luckily the fact that I don't have a backup of the vm is indicative of how recently I installed the system and how little I have to lose |
| 11:45.21 | MimeNarrator | other than time reinstalling |
| 11:45.21 | sedulous | i'd like to backport a handful of packages anyway, now that squeeze is getting older |
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| 11:47.12 | FransUrbo | sedulous: I doubt that it's possible to backport package 'en mass'. |
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| 11:48.37 | FransUrbo | sedulous: packages that is. Say packageA needs packageBvX, but only packageBvx-1 exists. Should you backport packageBvX to? Etc, etc... Eventually, you've recompiled most of the newer dist anyway, making the backport pointless... |
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| 11:50.05 | FransUrbo | sedulous: But if you do it 'the correct way' (according to me), then you should get packageA work with packageBvx-1 instead, which might need some manual work - i.e., can't be scripted... |
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| 11:50.54 | FransUrbo | This is the way I do my backports, and sometimes it takes A LOT of manual work to get it (just one package!) to build... |
| 11:51.28 | sedulous | FransUrbo: very well said |
| 11:52.02 | sedulous | a good backport shouldn't come with a dozen dependencies |
| 11:52.11 | FransUrbo | The more package you backport, the further away you go from the 'know state' (i.e., 'supported') and the more likley is it that you introduce something that will make it break. |
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| 11:52.33 | sedulous | at some point it's less work to just use a VM with standard packages and automatic updates |
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| 11:52.52 | sedulous | that might run testing or unstable |
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| 11:53.32 | FransUrbo | sedulous: Yeah. Unfortunatly, I have a couple of package on my server (which is still at Lenny - haven't had the balls to upgrade it :) which needs the very latest versions. |
| 11:53.36 | thewanderer1 | well, the applet does work with Sun Java 6 from non-free |
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| 11:58.17 | Haris | Please advise, why does dpkg -l '*apache2*' not list all apache2 packages listed on -> http://packages.debian.org/lenny/web/ ? |
| 11:58.28 | Haris | I have 5.0.8 on this box |
| 11:58.34 | Haris | debian that is |
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| 12:00.11 | Haris | (2) There's two packages for apache2 listed on the above url. How do I install the later which is a virtual package that installs other packages with it too |
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| 12:00.57 | ompaul | same as you would install any debian package apt-get update && apt-get install foo |
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| 12:01.33 | zumbi | Haris: apt-cache search apache2 |
| 12:01.36 | MimeNarrator | hah, for a second there I thought you were calling him foo |
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| 12:02.40 | zumbi | Haris: dpkg -l is for locally installed packages |
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| 12:02.56 | Haris | do I need to have apache2-common installed with apache2 |
| 12:03.12 | zumbi | likely |
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| 12:04.59 | Haris | !info apache2-mpm-threadpool |
| 12:05.20 | Haris | dpkg bot died ? |
| 12:05.25 | Haris | because of me? |
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| 12:10.06 | chiques_ | I'm trying to install Debian but I keep getting the error "GRUB installation failed, The 'grub-pc' package failed to install into /target/. Without GRUB boot loader, the installed system will not boot." -Any suggestions? |
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| 12:10.19 | MimeNarrator | Haris: murderer! |
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| 12:12.40 | User00 | hello |
| 12:12.51 | nkuttler | chiques_: that's an odd error.. |
| 12:13.16 | nkuttler | chiques_: switch to another terminal and try to aptitude install or dpkg -i the package |
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| 12:13.25 | cousin_luigi | hello |
| 12:13.40 | User00 | if the power cuts during a full system update |
| 12:13.43 | chiques_ | nkuttler, ok. I'll try that |
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| 12:14.00 | User00 | and grub gives error 15: file not found |
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| 12:14.25 | cousin_luigi | Is there a way to have the drift files generated by hwclock and chronyd to be compatible? (assuming it will be a problem if they aren't) |
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| 12:14.32 | User00 | any way to fix this? or should i just do a fresh install ? |
| 12:14.35 | ompaul | !tell User00 about grub |
| 12:14.54 | ompaul | User00: try what the bot tells ya and if it fails you might be in line for an install |
| 12:15.09 | User00 | nothings wrong with grub |
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| 12:15.17 | nkuttler | User00: you can always boot from floppy/cd |
| 12:15.27 | ompaul | User00: grub error 15 is something wrong |
| 12:15.40 | User00 | file doesnt exist |
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| 12:15.55 | User00 | the power cute during a full system update |
| 12:15.57 | nkuttler | User00: do you get a prompt? |
| 12:16.03 | User00 | lol |
| 12:16.03 | User00 | no |
| 12:16.17 | nkuttler | so boot from floppy or anything and reinstall grub |
| 12:16.34 | User00 | you dont get it |
| 12:16.45 | User00 | the problem is not from grub |
| 12:16.46 | ompaul | then do a fresh install if you know and we don't |
| 12:17.01 | nkuttler | ^^++ |
| 12:17.06 | User00 | nothing helping at all |
| 12:17.08 | ompaul | you told us you got a grub error - thefix for that grub error is ..... to fix grub |
| 12:17.25 | User00 | ompaul : you may not know, but others do. |
| 12:18.02 | User00 | and you are still telling me to look into fixxing grub |
| 12:18.46 | ompaul | User00: why did you say [12:13:59] <User00> and grub gives error 15: file not found |
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| 12:19.13 | User00 | why? |
| 12:19.33 | ompaul | that is a grub error and there I'll leave you |
| 12:19.44 | User00 | i said this before it <User00> if the power cuts during a full system update |
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| 12:21.53 | User00 | ompaul : if theres a layer 2 switch in your hand connected to a cable that's cut , what do you do to fix the problem ? |
| 12:21.57 | ompaul | I've said to you, try to fix grub if that works great (and what I didn't say was then you'll have to try and fix your upgrade) and then I said something about you'll have to reinstall if that does not happen for ya so bottome line start with grub and work from there, and someone else does |
| 12:22.03 | User00 | get a new swtich ? |
| 12:22.43 | nkuttler | this sounds more and more like a troll |
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| 12:23.01 | ompaul | User00: you take the layer 2 switch and you find user zero and you lart them with it |
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| 12:24.17 | MMlosh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:24.33 | User00 | waste of fuckn time here. |
| 12:24.45 | MMlosh | User00, that was mutual |
| 12:25.18 | sedulous | MMlosh: yes it can |
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| 12:25.35 | MMlosh | sedulous, nice.. is there a howto somewhere? |
| 12:25.58 | User00 | ompaul : btw the answer was, you stick the switch up your ass. that should solve the problem |
| 12:26.00 | User00 | cheers. |
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| 12:26.41 | sedulous | MMlosh: you need a live system that comes with debsums and run it with --root=/your/mounted/system |
| 12:26.57 | sedulous | most debian derived live systems should have debsums. grml does. |
| 12:26.59 | MMlosh | kubuntu livecd should be enough I guess... |
| 12:27.28 | Haris | !info apache2-mpm-threadpool |
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| 12:28.07 | Haris | hmm |
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| 12:28.34 | Etna | can someone clarify something for me? I understand that Debian now ships with a libre kernel that has all the proprietary WiFi firmware blobs stripped out. |
| 12:29.32 | sedulous | yes |
| 12:29.36 | thewanderer1 | Etna, yes, they come separately in their respective packages (for example, firmware-iwlwifi) |
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| 12:30.20 | Etna | however, the Debian social guidelines also state that Debian will attempt to make available non-free content that its users need to facilitate the use of Debian. Does that mean that the firmware bits that are stored in the Non-Free repos will remain there for as long as people who need them to actvcate their hardware, exist? |
| 12:30.51 | ompaul | Etna: they are there |
| 12:31.27 | Etna | and they will be there for as long as users need them to get their hardware working properly with the free drivers, right? |
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| 12:32.01 | nkuttler | Etna: i'd assume they will stay there as long as the kernel ships them |
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| 12:32.09 | Etna | isee. |
| 12:32.47 | Etna | this is important to me, because I was rather upset to see firmware being subject to the same rules as FOSS. |
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| 12:33.53 | ompaul | Etna: they should not have been in the kernel in the first place if they did not come with full source, they are incompatible with the licence from the get go |
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| 12:35.21 | Haris | when I run aptitude install apache2-mpm-itk, I get the following message -> (apache2-mpm-worker (>= 2.2.9-10+lenny11) but it is not installable or). Is there a workaround around it ? |
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| 12:36.02 | Etna | @ompaul: speaking as soneone who has friends working with major WiFi vendors like Atheros, i can say we have reached a stage where new WiFi devices, especially USB-based ones, will need firmware to operate, and this firmware is not something which vendors are willing to open; they are willing to open the drivers though. |
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| 12:36.47 | ompaul | so the blobs live in a different directory what's the problem again? |
| 12:36.59 | ompaul | they can be installed |
| 12:37.13 | Etna | @ompual: oh no, im not disputing that. |
| 12:37.24 | ompaul | you are not being stopped from doing this, they know what they want to do, |
| 12:37.31 | ompaul | we know what we want |
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| 12:37.50 | ompaul | if they are incompatible, then we have a solution, and your point is? |
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| 12:38.20 | Etna | @ompaul: my concern is, with the hostile attitude we are giving towards companies who open their drivers and keep their firmware closed, we may just end up annoying them enough to drop Linux completely. |
| 12:38.33 | ompaul | their loss |
| 12:38.38 | Etna | no, OUR loss |
| 12:38.45 | ompaul | you think? |
| 12:38.54 | Etna | even Atheros ships proprietary firmware on their new WiFi N usb cards |
| 12:39.01 | valdyn | Etna: why do you think debian is annoying hardware vendors? |
| 12:39.11 | Etna | no, im not saying Debian is annoying vendors |
| 12:39.16 | valdyn | Etna: who then? |
| 12:39.25 | Etna | im saying the Linux ecosystem as a whole is giving off that vibe |
| 12:39.35 | valdyn | Etna: thats only your impression |
| 12:40.06 | valdyn | h/w support has never been better, cooperation between kernel developers and h/w vendors has never been better |
| 12:40.16 | nkuttler | oh noes. the free software world dislikes non-free software. |
| 12:40.31 | Etna | they are kind enough to open their drivers as free software, why must we pressure them into opening their firmware, which basically does nothing more than sit inside the kernel doing nothing until a specific hardware device interfaces with it? |
| 12:40.59 | ompaul | to be compatible with the licence - or can't you see that |
| 12:41.11 | valdyn | Etna: "we" are customers, we can demand whatever we want |
| 12:41.19 | go^ | can anyone advise me about a vnc server very light for old pc ? |
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| 12:41.50 | valdyn | Etna: and companies sell what they can, you're making up something that does not exist |
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| 12:42.45 | ompaul | valdyn: I just checked the day of the week ;-) I should run a cron job that removes irc from my machine on a sunday :) |
| 12:43.12 | valdyn | ompaul: yes! |
| 12:43.15 | Etna | no im not, i got buddies working in Ralink and they are always complaining how the 'Linux community's' demands can never be satisfied. |
| 12:43.34 | Etna | first, open drivers. now that open drivers are abundant, they demand open firmware |
| 12:43.42 | Etna | what next? open access to the hardware specifics? |
| 12:43.48 | valdyn | Etna: haha |
| 12:43.56 | ompaul | Etna: yes please so we can make them work better |
| 12:44.07 | jelly-home | Etna: sorry, where did you find the "demand" for open firmware? |
| 12:44.07 | nkuttler | Etna: that would be excellent. yes. talk to your "buddies" and have them talk to their employers |
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| 12:44.16 | valdyn | Etna: youre thinking that employee feeling has a relation as to how management will see a business case or not |
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| 12:44.36 | vellu | how are u |
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| 12:45.45 | Etna | asking a company to open their firmware is like asking a motherboard manufacturer to open its BIOS/UEFI implementation and installation specifics. It just won't happen. |
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| 12:45.55 | jelly-home | Etna: firmware, documentation, software, all the bits are treated the same in Debian. That's the current interpretation, anyway. That means it would be nice to be able to have free firmware, and the free firmware gains easier distrbution, but there is no explicit demands AFAICT. |
| 12:46.02 | Haris | What's a good site for pasting stuff |
| 12:46.09 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 12:46.10 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
| 12:46.51 | Etna | @jelly-home: most firmware in the Linux kernel have been granted a royalty-free licence for redistribution. |
| 12:47.07 | valdyn | Etna: you are assuming taht a company cannot open firmware for trade secret reasons, but thats probably not true |
| 12:47.23 | jelly-home | Etna: and it's being distributed. Just not in Debian main. |
| 12:47.35 | valdyn | Etna: maybe a company would like to have their firmware supported by 3rd parties for free, but they cannot for legal reasons |
| 12:47.45 | Etna | perhaps i'm wrong, perhaps you are right |
| 12:47.50 | Haris | -> http://pastebin.com/BXUF2H7N |
| 12:47.55 | Haris | Need insight into this |
| 12:48.15 | jelly-home | Etna: can you point us to a reference where Debian is _demading_ from a vendor to open their firmware? |
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| 12:48.42 | ompaul | Haris: type free please and pastebin the output |
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| 12:49.09 | Etna | @jelly-home: i never said Debian demanded, i said my friend was complaining about how the 'Linux community' keeps demanding for free firmware and free drivers |
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| 12:49.27 | ompaul | Etna: put your friend on irc |
| 12:49.53 | jelly-home | Etna: well, I don't see it happening, and chatting via proxy makes it a bit hard to figure out what your friend really meant |
| 12:50.07 | Haris | paste updated -> http://pastebin.com/8VfDDgsV |
| 12:50.25 | jelly-home | Haris: "/bin/sh: fork: Cannot allocate memory" <- just what it says on the tin. |
| 12:51.01 | Etna | @ompual: if i get him online i will |
| 12:51.04 | Etna | *paul |
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| 12:51.30 | Etna | @jelly-home: we were talking about it over drinks in a bar. go figure. ;) |
| 12:51.37 | Haris | free is saying there's more than 1 GB of free physical memory |
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| 12:52.17 | jelly-home | Etna: the community is diverse, there any many voices and many goals, often conflicting. |
| 12:52.46 | nkuttler | Etna: see also http://wiki.debian.org/KernelFirmwareLicensing |
| 12:52.54 | Etna | @jelly-home: that, i think we can agree. ;) |
| 12:52.59 | valdyn | or one could argue that the "community" is only a construct that has close to zero base in reality |
| 12:53.01 | nkuttler | Etna: and tell your "friend" that many vendors ship sources |
| 12:53.34 | Haris | Why would fork have a problem with memory, when 1.2 GB memory is free ? |
| 12:53.57 | Haris | Is there a way to check/debug this situation ? |
| 12:53.57 | valdyn | Haris: you run "free" *after* the program, not concurrently |
| 12:54.09 | Haris | valdyn: Yes, I did exactly that |
| 12:54.10 | nkuttler | Haris: is that a virtual host? |
| 12:54.11 | valdyn | Haris: so you are not seeing the memory situation as it is when the fork runs |
| 12:54.29 | Haris | nkuttler: Not sure. |
| 12:54.31 | ompaul | and the box has no swap |
| 12:54.54 | Haris | yep, do I need to setup swap ? |
| 12:54.58 | valdyn | Haris: but youre seeing 0 cached, thats a pretty clear indicator |
| 12:54.58 | nkuttler | yeah, no swap. if you don't know it's probably virtual and your hoster might not tell the truth about your ram |
| 12:55.32 | valdyn | Haris: theres always cached > 0 till you run out of ram |
| 12:55.32 | Etna | well, it has been a good discussion, so excuse me while i go for supper. |
| 12:55.34 | Etna | nite |
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| 12:56.17 | Haris | Let me reboot the box and see if it helps |
| 12:56.40 | valdyn | hmm or maybe this is a virtualised environment where cached doesnt exist, I wouldnt know |
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| 12:58.05 | Haris | when did DCs (datacenters) started building boxes without swap ? :| |
| 12:58.36 | valdyn | Haris: your real ram could be backed by swap |
| 12:58.42 | valdyn | Haris: hard to say |
| 12:59.09 | Haris | ok, how does one create swap after install of debian ? |
| 12:59.22 | valdyn | Haris: with mkswap and swapon |
| 12:59.56 | sedulous | and add it to /etc/fstab if you want it to be permanent |
| 13:00.03 | Haris | the box is not even going down for reboot :| |
| 13:00.48 | jelly-home | Haris: "when did boxes become virtual" |
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| 13:01.01 | Haris | well, its been years =) |
| 13:01.11 | Haris | I have /dev/shm on this box |
| 13:01.16 | Haris | can that be noted as swap ? |
| 13:01.24 | jelly-home | no |
| 13:01.26 | Haris | tmpfs 7.9G 0 7.9G 0% /dev/shm |
| 13:02.04 | jelly-home | Haris: also check process limits, "ulimit -a" |
| 13:02.33 | jelly-home | and dmesg (/var/log/kern.log) for clues |
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| 13:03.10 | Haris | paste updated with ulimit -> http://pastebin.com/qTczVCjT |
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| 13:03.32 | Haris | this is funny. dmesg output is empty |
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| 13:04.02 | Haris | kern.log has only the following line in it -> Nov 27 05:38:01 vserver kernel: imklog 3.18.6, log source = /proc/kmsg started. |
| 13:04.46 | jelly-home | uname -a ? |
| 13:05.08 | Haris | Please give me a moment. I'v sent the box for reboot |
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| 13:07.47 | jelly-home | the host name suggest it's a VPS solution of some sort, so get your control panel or ask your provider how much RAM exactly it has provisioned |
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| 13:07.56 | Haris | Nope, it didn't go for reboot. It just disconnected my ssh session |
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| 13:08.06 | Haris | Ok |
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| 13:08.38 | icarious | ahoy landlubbers |
| 13:08.41 | rusnastya16 | hi |
| 13:08.42 | icarious | xD |
| 13:08.53 | icarious | rusnastya16: hello mate |
| 13:09.08 | rusnastya16 | hello |
| 13:10.20 | _Mikey | :t SCC |
| 13:10.41 | barna | how to create the home directory using useradd in debian cause redhat creates it automatically |
| 13:10.46 | rusnastya16 | what |
| 13:10.52 | icarious | barna: well. you can try the useradd -m switch for that ... and read the man pages the next time |
| 13:11.02 | _Mikey | :t (SCC) |
| 13:11.06 | icarious | barna: redhat has an alias attached to that command |
| 13:11.07 | _Mikey | :t Graph |
| 13:11.36 | _Mikey | :t path |
| 13:11.49 | Haris | uname -a output -> Linux sirn48ck4.onlinehome-server.info 2.6.18-028stab092.1 #1 SMP Wed Jul 20 19:47:12 MSD 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 13:13.03 | icarious | barna: hope that helps |
| 13:13.37 | barna | icarious: yes thank you |
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| 13:14.06 | rusnastya16 | may ask for yout |
| 13:14.21 | barna | !windows |
| 13:14.21 | dpkg | "PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work." Support for Microsoft Windows operating systems is available in ##windows on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:14.57 | rusnastya16 | fuck |
| 13:15.21 | icarious | rusnastya16: language please |
| 13:15.23 | rusnastya16 | fuck |
| 13:15.26 | icarious | rusnastya16: keep the channel family friendly |
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| 13:15.30 | icarious | rusnastya16: dont spam |
| 13:16.21 | rusnastya16 | sorry/ because i don't understand to speek english |
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| 13:17.05 | Haris | what does MSD signify in the uname -a output ? |
| 13:17.25 | Haris | ah, its part of the timestamp |
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| 13:20.31 | rusnastya16 | I can not speak English so please talk to me. This will be for me to serve the practice of English |
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| 13:21.28 | boudiccas | rusnastya16; please join #debian-offtopic for chatting, this channel is just for supporting debian stable |
| 13:21.45 | SPF | !ru |
| 13:21.46 | dpkg | eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 13:22.44 | rusnastya16 | ñïà ñèáî ìà ìáåò |
| 13:22.44 | rusnastya16 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:23.43 | rusnastya16 | ok thank you for your attention |
| 13:24.25 | jelly-home | rusnastya16: a windows encoding like cp1251 might not be understood here. Try UTF-8 on Freenode. Also there is an ##English channel. |
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| 13:24.55 | nkuttler | rusnastya16: and there's #defocus for general off-topic chatter |
| 13:25.08 | jelly-home | wonders wtf is a "mambet" |
| 13:25.34 | boudiccas | jelly-home; its a bet placed by a mother! |
| 13:25.49 | rusnastya16 | We in Russia on the news saying what will be a war with America is that true?. The fact that some sort of protivraketnayaoborona...... |
| 13:25.51 | Haris | o_O |
| 13:26.35 | jelly-home | rusnastya16: this channel is for technical support. Go to #defocus for chat. |
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| 13:33.03 | woshty | where do i configure font and fontsize for gnome terminal? |
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| 13:37.33 | satdav | hey guys trying to find jamessan |
| 13:37.42 | satdav | does anyone know his current nick |
| 13:38.02 | abrotman | was he here before? |
| 13:38.17 | satdav | well he has a developer cloak on |
| 13:38.24 | satdav | for your project |
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| 13:38.49 | abrotman | he's on now . just not here |
| 13:38.50 | popkill | satdav: "/wi jamessan" |
| 13:38.57 | satdav | [13:38] * Cake (~Megan@pdpc/supporter/student/megan) has joined #defocus |
| 13:39.00 | popkill | he's online now |
| 13:39.02 | abrotman | popkill: that only works in xchat IIRC |
| 13:39.11 | popkill | no |
| 13:39.14 | popkill | ? |
| 13:39.25 | abrotman | 08:39 -!- Irssi: Unknown command: window popkill |
| 13:39.29 | satdav | ~supybot@debian/developer/jamessan |
| 13:39.44 | abrotman | satdav: that is a bot .. woldn't you think ? |
| 13:40.02 | satdav | yes but who is that jason guy who registered it |
| 13:40.05 | woshty | how do i change the priority of existing alternatives? i want iceweasel to be my default browser. |
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| 13:41.01 | abrotman | satdav: db.debian.org may tell you |
| 13:41.13 | abrotman | woshty: man update-alternatives |
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| 13:44.06 | satdav | James Vega |
| 13:44.16 | satdav | thats his real name but no email for him |
| 13:44.31 | woshty | abrotman: lol .. the --config option. one has to find that first. |
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| 13:45.39 | abrotman | woshty: that's how the man pages work |
| 13:45.42 | abrotman | satdav: why does it matter? |
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| 13:46.26 | woshty | abrotman: yeah, i am pretty certain nobody uses that. everyone is going to use set. |
| 13:47.06 | abrotman | woshty: well, that's their problem |
| 13:48.11 | woshty | abrotman: it could be a little more "findable" .. like on the list of commands when you just run "update-alternatives" .. but i agree ;) |
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| 13:49.39 | abrotman | woshty: it is in the list ... |
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| 13:50.26 | woshty | abrotman: sry, you are right .. i will stop complaining for at least 2 mins now |
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| 13:53.00 | abrotman | heh |
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| 13:54.03 | abrotman | woshty: a README in /etc/alternatives with actual content might be nice also .. but oh well |
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| 14:05.13 | smellydog | hi, I have crontab to invoke a script, and this script output some log, I am hoping cron will send the log to me as a email, but seems the log in mail is overlapped. I am trying to send log to gmail using ssmtp. |
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| 14:09.59 | smellydog | this is logs in mail: http://pastie.org/2928300 , please see the last 6 lines. and this http://pastie.org/2928319 is what I see in the log file. |
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| 14:24.28 | mparodi | Hi! |
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| 14:27.22 | mparodi | I'm having problems to use "tildes" (Spanish tildes). it happens since the last upgrade I did. the locale is http://pastebin.com/ZtSBJwdw, and the layout is "latam" (I have tried with "es" as well but it doesn't work). any idea? |
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| 14:32.31 | mparodi | what should be the locale? |
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| 14:34.10 | walle | hi all |
| 14:34.18 | walle | i'm comming |
| 14:34.20 | walle | :-) |
| 14:34.29 | walle | anyone online? |
| 14:36.01 | dvs | !next |
| 14:36.01 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 14:47.51 | ePax | Is this the crontab to run fil at 23:59:59 = 59 23 * * * sleep 59; sh whatever.sh |
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| 14:49.46 | SPF | ePax: I would advise to use a single command like 59 23 * * * /home/epax/whatever.sh |
| 14:51.22 | ePax | SPF: I allready use same command as you wrote but i thought just to add seconds as well. using sleep XX for seconds may get cron to run 23:59:59 i think or? :D |
| 14:52.42 | SPF | ePax: if you really want to run something at an exact time, I would run RTOS |
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| 14:53.20 | abrotman | ePax: that'll likely be close enough |
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| 14:54.07 | acemi | as an alternative cron+at |
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| 14:57.17 | ePax | I might just try this cron. Because using sleep xx; in cron runs cron after xx seconds. |
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| 15:04.59 | Logi | I'm getting red rectangles for icons in chromium and it logs this error: Gtk: Error loading icon: Couldn't recognise the image file format for file '/usr/share/icons//oxygen/16x16/actions/process-stop.png' |
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| 15:05.40 | Logi | This file exists and chromium can even display it in the browser, but not load it using gtk. |
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| 15:13.58 | lamah | how can i get the pppoe or dhcp ip behind the router from wireless? |
| 15:13.59 | mparodi | any idea why I can't use tildes in KDE? I tried many layouts including "es" and "latam". here is the locale http://pastebin.com/ZtSBJwdw |
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| 15:27.13 | skilz | like for caps lock |
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| 15:35.28 | ShinyDarkness | Hello. I am trying to create a bootable USB installation drive, following these instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en. However, I have the following problem: I do not know what XXX should be in "cat debian.iso > /dev/XXX". I am using OS X. |
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| 15:36.04 | dvs | ShinyDarkness: insert the device then do "dmesg" |
| 15:37.03 | jiohdi | ShinyDarkness, or you could use gparted and see all devices and likely it will be something like sga1 or some such |
| 15:37.05 | ShinyDarkness | It generated a quite large output, how do I interpret it? |
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| 15:37.34 | dvs | ShinyDarkness: paste to to pastebin |
| 15:37.44 | dvs | it should be in the last few lines |
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| 15:38.33 | ShinyDarkness | Please wait. |
| 15:38.58 | ShinyDarkness | Oh. I found it, thanks! |
| 15:39.23 | ShinyDarkness | 0 [Level 3] [ReadUID 0] [Facility com.apple.system.fs] [DevNode /dev/disk1s1] [MountPt /Volumes/VIOLE] [FSLogMsgID 1575358034] [FSLogMsgOrder Last] |
| 15:39.29 | ShinyDarkness | I guess it is /dev/disk1s1 |
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| 15:39.46 | dvs | ShinyDarkness: more like /dev/disk1 |
| 15:39.57 | nkuttler | ShinyDarkness: that's mounted... make sure there's no data on it |
| 15:40.00 | dvs | I'm guessing disk1s1 is a partition |
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| 15:40.30 | ShinyDarkness | My USB drive is empty. |
| 15:40.48 | ShinyDarkness | So then I cat the .iso into disk1, right? |
| 15:40.56 | jiohdi | ShinyDarkness, would it not be easier to just use unetbootin? |
| 15:41.14 | ShinyDarkness | How do I do that? |
| 15:41.24 | dvs | ShinyDarkness: Don't do it |
| 15:41.33 | dvs | it's intermittent at best |
| 15:41.39 | jiohdi | its a program you run as su |
| 15:41.56 | dvs | ShinyDarkness: Just cat to the disk device and that should be it.\ |
| 15:42.00 | jiohdi | you can install right from the net or from an iso |
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| 15:42.13 | ShinyDarkness | Okay. |
| 15:42.42 | jiohdi | you also need to make sure your boot flag is set on the usb stick |
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| 15:43.10 | ShinyDarkness | dvs: So disk1 is the USB drive itself, while disk1s1 is the partition, right? |
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| 15:43.26 | ShinyDarkness | jiohdi: How do I make sure that? |
| 15:43.34 | dvs | ShinyDarkness: That's what I'm guessing. I'm not familiar with Macness |
| 15:43.43 | jiohdi | the easiest way I know is to use gparted and manage flags |
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| 15:45.40 | rawsted | so if i don't explicitly specify 'defaults' for mount opts in /etc/fstab, is it implied? |
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| 15:46.47 | ShinyDarkness | dvs: I think it is possible to make dmesg output its contents to a text file instead of the standard output using pipes, but I do not know the exact syntax. How should I do it? |
| 15:46.59 | ShinyDarkness | output its output* |
| 15:47.11 | ShinyDarkness | send* its output* |
| 15:47.14 | dvs | ShinyDarkness: dmesg > output.txt |
| 15:47.22 | ShinyDarkness | Okay, thanks. |
| 15:47.50 | dvs | ShinyDarkness: Actually if "fdisk -l" works, that'll give you a better idea. |
| 15:48.19 | ShinyDarkness | Does "fdisk -l > textfile.txt" work as well? |
| 15:48.27 | dvs | sure |
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| 15:48.47 | ShinyDarkness | Oops... fdisk doesn't work. |
| 15:49.24 | ShinyDarkness | Anyway, here it goes: http://pastebin.com/Ufgg1DwD |
| 15:49.38 | ShinyDarkness | It is the output of "dmesg > textfile.txt" |
| 15:50.17 | nkuttler | ShinyDarkness: you should ask in a mac support channel |
| 15:50.34 | ShinyDarkness | Okay. |
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| 15:51.45 | ShinyDarkness | Now I am sure. I ejected the USB and both "disk1" and "disk1s1" disappeared from "ls /dev". |
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| 15:52.09 | jiohdi | ShinyDarkness, sorry, I thought you were using debian, not sure if anything I told you applies to mac |
| 15:52.14 | dvs | ShinyDarkness: Yes, disk1 is the device and that's the one you should use |
| 15:52.25 | ShinyDarkness | jiohdi: No worries, actually, thank you. |
| 15:52.34 | ShinyDarkness | dvs: Okay. Thanks. |
| 15:52.44 | dvs | np |
| 15:52.46 | rawsted | so if i don't explicitly specify 'defaults' for mount opts in /etc/fstab, is it implied? |
| 15:53.24 | dvs | rawsted: you have to specify something. |
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| 15:54.22 | rawsted | dvs: so for example, if i specify noatime,nodiratime, those will imply defaults as well? |
| 15:54.36 | rawsted | dvs: that is, noatime,nodiratime *only* |
| 15:54.39 | dvs | rawsted: no |
| 15:54.49 | rawsted | dvs: so i'll want to do defaults,noatime,nodiratime |
| 15:55.01 | dvs | rawsted: yes |
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| 15:55.34 | rawsted | dvs: thanks. another: how can i find out when updatedb runs? |
| 15:56.31 | dvs | rawsted: updatedb? I'm not sure what that is. |
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| 15:57.10 | rawsted | dvs: alright, i'll poke around, thanks anyway ! |
| 15:57.33 | llutz | rawsted: grep -r updatedb /etc/cron* |
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| 15:59.13 | rawsted | llutz: yeah, i found it. i'm trying to figure out what is taking my storage drives out of standby - i have them set to spindown after 1 hour, and this morning at 10am i found that 2 out of 4 were active |
| 15:59.41 | rawsted | but, for one, they're empty aside from lost+found, two they're mounted noatime,nodiratime, and three updatedb runs at 0625 >< |
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| 16:00.30 | thewanderer1 | rawsted, you should be able to monitor activity on the said drives by using incron (or inotify in general) and some logger |
| 16:00.53 | rawsted | thewanderer1: what package is that in? |
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| 16:01.38 | thewanderer1 | rawsted, incron, and a logger you'll have to write yourself |
| 16:01.57 | ShinyDarkness | dvs: I have tried "cat debian.iso > /dev/disk1" and got the error "/dev/disk1: Resource busy". |
| 16:02.03 | rawsted | thewanderer1: should incron be in my path? because it isn't |
| 16:03.55 | rawsted | thewanderer1: OH, package incron, sorry, i'm a little braindead today |
| 16:04.07 | rawsted | thewanderer1: thanks. |
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| 16:07.11 | rawsted | thewanderer1: what part does inotify play in this, if any? |
| 16:07.14 | ockham_ | hi, i'm trying to assign version number to a binary package that's different from the source package's. can someone tell me how to do that? |
| 16:08.07 | rawsted | thewanderer1: or is incron just inotify functionality wrapped around a cron-like implementation? |
| 16:08.20 | thewanderer1 | rawsted, yes, it is |
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| 16:08.58 | thewanderer1 | I mentioned incron because it's often awkward to write your own daemons in C for that |
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| 16:09.37 | rawsted | thewanderer1: gotcha, alright i'm looking at it, thanks again |
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| 16:13.29 | Logi | Why would chromium log this and then show red rectangles for icons: Gtk: Error loading icon: Couldn't recognise the image file format for file '/usr/share/icons//oxygen/16x16/actions/process-stop.png' |
| 16:13.35 | dvs | ShinyDarkness: Unmount it |
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| 16:14.12 | ShinyDarkness | dvs: Thank you, I had already found the solution: Unmount "/dev/disk1s1" and now I can write to "/dev/disk1" directly. |
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| 16:15.00 | wildc4rd | good afternoon all |
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| 16:15.44 | Logi | (that file exists and is the expected icon in PNG format and chromium can show it as content) |
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| 16:22.25 | ockham_ | anyone? |
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| 16:26.56 | Kuun-Lann | hello, i got a postfix+dovecot on a dedicated server . Everything works except one thing : i cant setup the mails for a phpBB forum.. Anyone can help ? |
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| 16:27.42 | yagoo | Kuun-Lann, alot of times these things require the sendmail command to work.. |
| 16:28.03 | yagoo | Kuun-Lann, try testing the sendmail command manually without phpbb |
| 16:28.25 | Kuun-Lann | yagoo : i test the mail php on a testpage and it works :/ |
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| 16:28.41 | yagoo | (i'm assuming sendmail it is, if not check the phpbb documentation on how it's supposed to use an MTA) |
| 16:29.17 | yagoo | Kuun-Lann, in that case it's your job to ask a phpbb forum... |
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| 16:29.30 | rawsted | thewanderer1: which event is most generic? as in, implies the greatest number of other events. IN_ACCESS? |
| 16:29.31 | yagoo | Kuun-Lann, (dont think anyone on here uses phpbb) |
| 16:29.47 | thewanderer1 | rawsted, I think so, yes |
| 16:29.47 | Kuun-Lann | yeah i already ask on phpBB but they answer me : the fault is coming from postfix :/ |
| 16:30.03 | Kuun-Lann | yagoo : erg ok :) |
| 16:30.05 | yagoo | Kuun-Lann, check the postfix log.. ? |
| 16:30.12 | Kuun-Lann | there's nothing in the log |
| 16:30.31 | yagoo | Kuun-Lann, well then it's not working.. |
| 16:30.36 | rawsted | thewanderer1: i'm somewhat ignorant about linux s/w raid even though these drives are configured in one...will inotify catch like, integrity checks? (if such things happen) |
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| 16:30.53 | yagoo | Kuun-Lann, check all of it's logs.. |
| 16:31.00 | yagoo | Kuun-Lann, the failed log etc.. |
| 16:31.52 | yagoo | Kuun-Lann, if you're saying the php test page works but not phpbb, then it has to be in the logs or phpbb is not communicating/setup properly.. |
| 16:32.06 | yagoo | Kuun-Lann, you need a log entry.. |
| 16:32.21 | yagoo | Kuun-Lann, before you can talk about postfix problems.. |
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| 16:32.42 | Kuun-Lann | okay |
| 16:32.47 | skilz | On my laptop are some LED's, 2 of them being for Num Lock and Caps Lock, is it posible to make these led's flash according to network up/down traffic |
| 16:32.53 | Kuun-Lann | i try to catch some logs og phpBB |
| 16:34.09 | skilz | like if im downloading caps lock led flashes or goes solid |
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| 16:40.52 | jhutchins | .info ledcontrol |
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| 16:41.33 | svdv | what should i use to play midi files? |
| 16:41.51 | skilz | vlc |
| 16:41.54 | jhutchins | svdv: Try aptitude search midi |
| 16:41.57 | skilz | perhaps |
| 16:42.08 | jhutchins | ,info ledcontrol |
| 16:42.09 | judd | Package ledcontrol (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: scriptable keyboard led control. Version: 0.5.2-11.1; Size: 45.1k; Installed: 224k; Homepage: http://users.tkk.fi/spniskan/ledcontrol/ |
| 16:42.15 | svdv | jhutchins, tried that, nothing works |
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| 16:42.30 | jhutchins | svdv: I really don't believe that. |
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| 16:42.34 | lamah | you need bsplayer |
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| 16:42.52 | svdv | lamah, nonexisting |
| 16:42.53 | thewanderer1 | skilz, tleds |
| 16:43.02 | mparodi | now I only have problems with GTK apps because by default it doesn't use ibus. how do I set the default input method for GTK apps in KDE? |
| 16:43.03 | svdv | jhutchins, no sound comes out :/ |
| 16:43.15 | mparodi | if I lounch GTK apps using konsole it works! |
| 16:43.19 | lamah | svdv: then kmplayer |
| 16:43.22 | ockham_ | can someone help me or point me to something? |
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| 16:43.24 | ockham_ | i'm trying to assign a version number to a binary package that is different from the source package's. |
| 16:43.33 | lamah | hahah i think km haves and version for linux |
| 16:43.34 | lamah | :) |
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| 16:44.32 | skilz | tleds or ledcontrol??? |
| 16:44.33 | terid | can someone help please. i select debian at boot then the screen goes black where the console should be. i can still type startx without seeing it and x will start. any ideas anyone? |
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| 16:44.51 | jhutchins | svdv: There are lots of programs that will play midi files. If you're having audio issues that's probably not related to the midi files. |
| 16:44.54 | jhutchins | !alsa checklist |
| 16:44.55 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 16:45.13 | svdv | jhutchins, can properly play any sound file except midi |
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| 16:48.30 | EmleyMoor | svdv: How are you trying to play mmidi files? |
| 16:48.32 | EmleyMoor | midi |
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| 16:48.38 | svdv | EmleyMoor, yes |
| 16:48.43 | svdv | eerr i mean |
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| 16:48.50 | jhutchins | !tell svdv about dmm |
| 16:48.55 | svdv | i tried totem, mplayer, aplaymidi and a bunch of others |
| 16:48.58 | EmleyMoor | You're yessing them??? |
| 16:49.03 | EmleyMoor | Tried timidity? |
| 16:49.12 | svdv | EmleyMoor, yes |
| 16:49.20 | svdv | no sound comes out and it displays no error |
| 16:49.34 | jhutchins | EmleyMoor: He needs something with the midi codec enabled, which players from the free repos probably don't have/ |
| 16:49.52 | svdv | jhutchins, ah. how do i do this? |
| 16:49.58 | EmleyMoor | jhutchins: Ah, right |
| 16:50.16 | EmleyMoor | svdv: follow what dpkg messaged you |
| 16:50.18 | jhutchins | svdv: Start with the message dpkg sent you. |
| 16:50.57 | jhutchins | svdv: You might also want to play with google and terms like midi codec to find out what's going on and how to deal with it. |
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| 16:51.40 | svdv | have those enabled already |
| 16:51.41 | svdv | :/ |
| 16:51.51 | svdv | the debian-multimedia sources i mean |
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| 16:53.26 | TechDesk | !wiki b43 |
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| 16:54.07 | nardev | could someone who uses laptop with external monitor, send me his /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 16:55.12 | leino | hello all. I am having some problems with dynamic libraries: libstdc++.so is not found |
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| 16:55.42 | file-exists-p | how old are you, people? |
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| 16:56.18 | leino | I can 'localte' stdc++.so, but its directory does not get included in /etc/ld.so.conf |
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| 16:56.40 | svdv | what should i specify as port in aplaymidi? |
| 16:56.42 | leino | so I am wondering why that is and what the "standard solution" is |
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| 16:58.32 | jhutchins | svdv: Probably a good idea to spend some time with google then. |
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| 17:02.18 | leino | bah, my messages got chopped up. sorry for repeating myself: hello all. I am having some problems with dynamic libraries: libstdc++.so is not found. I can 'localte' stdc++.so, but its directory does not get included in /etc/ld.so.conf. so I am wondering why that is and what the "standard solution" is. |
| 17:03.49 | jordanm | leino: where is the location? |
| 17:04.13 | ChibaPet | leino, it shouldn't have to be explicitly included, if I remember correctly, if it's in /usr/lib |
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| 17:04.38 | leino | leino@laptop:~$ locate libstdc++.so |
| 17:04.38 | leino | /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.4/libstdc++.so |
| 17:04.38 | leino | /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.6/libstdc++.so |
| 17:04.38 | leino | /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6 |
| 17:04.38 | leino | /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6.0.16 |
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| 17:04.46 | ChibaPet | whoops |
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| 17:05.34 | Firztspawn | well, you were right ChibaPet - it is in /usr/lib :p |
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| 17:06.07 | leino | damn, I got kicked.. did you reply? |
| 17:06.16 | Firztspawn | no he didnt |
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| 17:06.19 | ChibaPet | leino, the odd thing is that you don't have something I have here: |
| 17:06.25 | ChibaPet | /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6.0.13 |
| 17:06.30 | leino | libstdc++.so is in 4 differnt places... |
| 17:06.49 | ChibaPet | What Debian are you running? |
| 17:06.59 | leino | wheezy (testing) |
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| 17:07.06 | arj1singh | Hi, can someone please tell me the content of /etc/apt/sources.list? I deleted accidentally. |
| 17:07.29 | ChibaPet | Oh, hm. My Wheezy box is in flux right now, or I'd compare. Been planning to rebuild it, but I got caught up on an installer bug that interested me. |
| 17:07.29 | arj1singh | I am using squeeze. |
| 17:07.49 | yagoo | leino, don't paste more than 2 lines |
| 17:08.02 | Firztspawn | arj1singh http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html |
| 17:08.07 | leino | ChibaPet: my /etc/ld.so.conf *almost* includes some of these libstdc++.so; they are one subdir deeper (version number) |
| 17:08.13 | Firztspawn | gives you basic sources.list example |
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| 17:08.26 | yagoo | says to use the paste site for more than 2 lines.. |
| 17:08.39 | leino | yagoo: got it, thanks :) |
| 17:08.51 | ChibaPet | Here's the relevant bit of my sources.list: http://paste.debian.net/147205/ |
| 17:08.59 | yagoo | leino, am not admin.. but just saying to help.. |
| 17:09.00 | yagoo | :) |
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| 17:09.32 | yagoo | leino, looks like multiarch is here to stay for the long term.. |
| 17:10.19 | yagoo | leino, you can try ltrace against the binary to see what libraries it's trying to use.. |
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| 17:10.29 | jhutchins | svdv: fwiw i don't seem to get anything on lenny/kde either. |
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| 17:10.59 | svdv | jhutchins, worked with timidity sound driver |
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| 17:11.29 | leino | yagoo: you mean the binary that complains about not finding libstdc++.so? |
| 17:11.37 | ChibaPet | leino, yes |
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| 17:12.05 | id10t | dang it... shoulda read release notes before going w/ wheezy... damm gnome3 |
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| 17:13.04 | leino | ChibaPet: I get the error msg when I do 'ghci -package wx'... I don't think it is the binary ghci I should check then, since 'ghci' works fine. |
| 17:14.17 | id10t | is $current_version KDE as annoying as gnome3? |
| 17:14.41 | ChibaPet | id10t, I got an annoying number of segfaults with it |
| 17:14.46 | leino | ChibaPet: or does ltrace work on "commands" rather than binaries? |
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| 17:14.54 | ChibaPet | I'm currently pretty happy with LXDE |
| 17:15.16 | id10t | ChibaPet, well, i lived thru win9x and "illegal operations" so as long as it is usable when not crashing.... :) |
| 17:16.04 | ChibaPet | not as you'd expect - ldd might be what you want here |
| 17:16.15 | Firztspawn | arj1singh also: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/index.php |
| 17:16.25 | ChibaPet | but the Haskell stuff doesn't seem like a good candidate to be linked against that library |
| 17:16.27 | Firztspawn | generate a new sources.list |
| 17:16.33 | leino | yagoo: 'ltrace ghci' yields "ltrace: Can't open ELF file "/usr/bin/ghci"" |
| 17:16.43 | ChibaPet | well, it's not ELF is why |
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| 17:17.18 | leino | aha |
| 17:18.09 | leino | but I don't really understand why I should run ltrace, I know why libstdc++ is not found. I am just wondering which fix is most desirable and wont break anything later on. |
| 17:18.20 | leino | I am thinking to add a line in /etc/ld.so.conf |
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| 17:18.31 | leino | and then run ldconfig |
| 17:19.17 | leino | but I find it weird that this was not already taken care of when I installed libstdc++XXX.YYY-dev |
| 17:19.21 | ChibaPet | leino, shouldn't need to -try something: |
| 17:19.32 | arj1singh | Firztspawn, thank you for your help :-) |
| 17:19.39 | Firztspawn | np |
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| 17:20.03 | ChibaPet | http://paste.debian.net/147206/ |
| 17:20.24 | ChibaPet | leino, start with that, and see if it works for you |
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| 17:21.34 | leino | ChibaPet: ok I'm on it |
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| 17:22.12 | leino | ChobaPet: works |
| 17:22.22 | leino | *ChibaPet: works |
| 17:22.33 | ChibaPet | That suggests that the problem isn't with your libraries. |
| 17:22.52 | ChibaPet | What does ldd say about it? What libstdc++ is it using? |
| 17:23.23 | leino | ChobaPet: what do I type? :) |
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| 17:23.42 | jordanm | leino: ldd <binary> |
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| 17:23.47 | noobish | which script is responsible for the cpio command used during update-initramfs? I can't see it mentioned in the aforementioned script... |
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| 17:24.27 | leino | ChibaPet: libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6 (0xb7769000) |
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| 17:25.55 | ChibaPet | Alright. I'm working to get my Wheezy system back up so I can duplicate this for you, but I'd start suspecting some problem with the packages giving you the error. It looked like you were using some sort of wx plug-in with Haskell? If so, maybe track that down - find the binary components and run ldd to see if they're trying to link against what exists for me in Squeeze, for instance. |
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| 17:26.58 | leino | ChibaPet: ok, thanks... ghci is not very verbose when it loads stuff, but I know basically what to search for |
| 17:27.15 | ChibaPet | I think it'll be something in the underlying wx libraries. |
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| 17:27.34 | ChibaPet | You can approach that from the dpkg angle. |
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| 17:32.29 | anddam | how do I check currently installed kernel? |
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| 17:33.09 | anddam | I mean what apt package provides currently running kernel |
| 17:33.24 | jelly-home | anddam: dpkg -S /boot/vmlinuz-$(uname -r) |
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| 17:33.51 | anddam | thanks |
| 17:34.07 | anddam | what's 'pae' in kernel name? |
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| 17:34.19 | jelly-home | anddam: /msg dpkg pae |
| 17:35.06 | anddam | I ran the VirtualBox guest additions package and it warned me it could not find kernel headers and compilation could fail but in fact it didn't |
| 17:35.16 | anddam | so I want to rebuild with the headers |
| 17:35.36 | anddam | and thanks again, didn't think dpkg had an entry for pae |
| 17:35.38 | noobish | any ideas on where to look when cpio fails with 'invalid option --' during update-initramfs |
| 17:35.51 | jelly-home | anddam: install the headers package. It will be called linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 17:36.48 | flock-_ | I know this will sound very noob, but how do I know if I'm being DDoS attacked in debian? |
| 17:37.00 | anddam | jelly-home: nvm I already have those, so it's just the script that cannot detect it |
| 17:37.46 | nkuttler | flock-_: um.. check your logs |
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| 17:39.17 | id10t | flock-_, what services are you running that would be vulnerable? |
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| 17:39.39 | flock-_ | Well my website is really slowly |
| 17:39.46 | flock-_ | I believe that someone can be ddosing it |
| 17:39.51 | flock-_ | I am hosted at OVH dedicated server |
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| 17:40.41 | nkuttler | flock-_: start with top/htop |
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| 17:43.46 | leino | ChibaPet: don't think so, "the haskell platform" (which includes ghci) comes with it's own package system called cabal... I did not install the haskell-specific wx stuff using aptitude |
| 17:43.49 | flock-_ | it appears many times apache2 nkuttler and also on the top ismysqld |
| 17:44.03 | JodaZ_ | how many ? |
| 17:44.12 | ChibaPet | Oh, hm... Alright, you'll know better than me how to approach that then, leino! |
| 17:44.32 | ChibaPet | leino - but, that strongly suggests that the package you have was meant for Squeeze - that's my guess anyway |
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| 17:44.37 | leino | ChibaPet: no I wont :) |
| 17:44.42 | nkuttler | flock-_: sort by cpu + memory.. see if there is a problem |
| 17:44.58 | nkuttler | flock-_: 'many' apache2 processes is not unusual |
| 17:45.39 | nkuttler | flock-_: and tail -f /var/log/apache2/*log to get a feel for much traffic you get.. |
| 17:45.49 | flock-_ | well sometimes mysqld spikes to 123% |
| 17:46.09 | JodaZ_ | "'many'" being the case |
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| 17:46.26 | JodaZ_ | flock-_, how many apache2's ? |
| 17:47.25 | flock-_ | well |
| 17:47.26 | jelly-home | JodaZ_: depends on your traffic and choice of apache worker. |
| 17:47.31 | flock-_ | all the top full of apache2 JodaZ_ |
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| 17:48.08 | JodaZ_ | flock-_, ps aux|grep apache2|wc -l |
| 17:48.23 | flock-_ | 153 JodaZ_ |
| 17:48.33 | JodaZ_ | flock-_, so you have 153 users on the site at the moment ? |
| 17:48.45 | flock-_ | its possible |
| 17:48.46 | jelly-home | flock-_: you're probably hitting the MaxClients setting then, (default 150) |
| 17:49.12 | flock-_ | its possible to change it? |
| 17:49.21 | jelly-home | flock-_: /etc/apache2/apache.conf |
| 17:49.31 | jelly-home | flock-_: /etc/apache2/apache2.conf even |
| 17:49.39 | nkuttler | flock-_: check the server logs. if somebody is attacking your server you want to firewall them |
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| 17:50.40 | flock-_ | There are two places with MAxClients |
| 17:51.03 | jelly-home | flock-_: are you using the prefork mpm? Adjust the correct settings for your installed mpm. |
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| 17:51.34 | StephenS | how to flush dns on debian ? |
| 17:51.37 | jelly-home | flock-_: dpkg -l apache2\* |grep ^.i |
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| 17:52.12 | flock-_ | jelly-home |
| 17:52.12 | flock-_ | http://pastebin.com/cbtBhH6H |
| 17:52.41 | flock-_ | ando also |
| 17:52.41 | flock-_ | http://pastebin.com/S2gzL11E |
| 17:53.12 | leino | ChibaPet: I found some .a and .o files in the package directory indicated by the error message. but I can't run ldd on them ("not a dynamic executable") |
| 17:53.13 | jelly-home | flock-_: now figure out which part of the config file is active, based on the installed mpm package. |
| 17:53.39 | zerobyte | StephenS have you a DNS server? |
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| 17:54.02 | leino | ChibaPet: maybe it's time for me to take this over to #haskell. thanks for your help |
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| 17:54.39 | StephenS | zerobyte, yes |
| 17:54.45 | jelly-home | flock-_: eg. apache2-mpm-worker would use the settings in the <IfModule mpm_worker_module> section. |
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| 17:55.47 | flock-_ | you checked my both pastebins? |
| 17:56.08 | zerobyte | StephenS run rndc flush |
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| 17:56.34 | StephenS | not found |
| 17:56.37 | jelly-home | flock-_: yes, I'm just trying to make you think and figure out which setting is active by yourself. |
| 17:56.56 | zerobyte | StephenS is it Bind? |
| 17:57.04 | StephenS | I have a router |
| 17:57.58 | zerobyte | StephenS aptitude install nscd |
| 17:58.13 | StephenS | i tried |
| 17:58.20 | StephenS | wait |
| 17:58.23 | StephenS | rndc or nscd? |
| 17:58.26 | ChibaPet | leino, good luck! |
| 17:58.47 | StephenS | zerobyte, ? |
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| 17:59.02 | zerobyte | StephenS have you a DNS server yer or not? |
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| 17:59.45 | StephenS | i dont know |
| 17:59.55 | zerobyte | :| |
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| 18:00.30 | StephenS | how to check it |
| 18:00.31 | StephenS | ;D |
| 18:00.33 | Guest69322 | !list |
| 18:00.34 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 18:00.46 | zerobyte | StephenS just install nscd |
| 18:00.54 | zerobyte | then: /etc/init.d/nscd restart |
| 18:02.05 | StephenS | Starting Name Service Cache Daemon: nscd. |
| 18:02.09 | flock-_ | So jelly-home, I should change the maxclients on mpm worker module and restart the apache? but probably there's an limit for it. Somewhy its only 150 |
| 18:02.13 | StephenS | restart as root right? |
| 18:02.20 | zerobyte | yeap StephenS |
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| 18:02.31 | StephenS | done |
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| 18:02.47 | StephenS | my browser still have the old dns |
| 18:02.54 | StephenS | should i clear out the cache ? |
| 18:03.07 | jelly-home | flock-_: no, on the prefork module. That's what you have installed. |
| 18:05.16 | JodaZ_ | flock-_, just up it everywhere xD |
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| 18:06.41 | thewanderer1 | StephenS, I've just seen a very good example of how some browsers like to cache DNS entries between restarts, till infinity... in Iceweasel at least you must clear the cache or it'll never go away. |
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| 18:07.24 | Yancho | guys, a pci to minipci adapter can it make a compatible wifi minipci adapter incompatible to linux pls? does it affect compatiblity? |
| 18:07.32 | pbase | I have a data partition apart from the debian partition on my hard disk. how do I auto mount the partition on boot? currently I have to mount it manually evry time |
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| 18:07.59 | nkuttler | pbase: man 5 fstab |
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| 18:10.54 | zerobyte | pbase edit /etc/fstab |
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| 18:11.34 | zerobyte | Yancho of course |
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| 18:12.38 | Yancho | zerobyte, so best would be something which is out of the box supported by linux then |
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| 18:15.03 | ChibaPet | Yancho, what sort of device do you need? |
| 18:15.44 | ChibaPet | USB-based wifi tends to be well supported by Linux. |
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| 18:20.36 | slooth | Hello, how can I see the ./configure options that the packages was built with? |
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| 18:22.07 | nkuttler | slooth: debian/rules |
| 18:22.09 | jordanm | slooth: you can't unless the application specifically supports telling you that information |
| 18:22.21 | jordanm | slooth: unless its a debian package, then what nkuttler said |
| 18:22.23 | nkuttler | slooth: that's in the src package |
| 18:22.39 | slooth | jordanm, nkuttler thanks. |
| 18:24.01 | slooth | I'm using Debian 5 (Lenny). Should I expect any problems if i decide to update to Squeeze 6? |
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| 18:25.35 | valdyn | slooth: yes |
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| 18:26.07 | slooth | valdyn, any workarounds? |
| 18:26.20 | valdyn | slooth: depends on your problem |
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| 18:26.28 | slooth | valdyn, can I know my probem upfront? |
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| 18:26.44 | valdyn | slooth: to a limited extent, see the release notes |
| 18:26.59 | slooth | valdyn, release notes of what? |
| 18:27.05 | valdyn | slooth: debian |
| 18:27.11 | valdyn | slooth: squeeze |
| 18:27.16 | ChibaPet | slooth, read a guide to see what changed - make sure you upgrade your kernel first, and udev, before you try a general upgrade |
| 18:27.16 | slooth | valdyn, thanks, I'll go check them right no |
| 18:27.49 | valdyn | slooth: youve not been asking something that wouldnt get the same answer for *any* software project |
| 18:28.07 | ChibaPet | slooth, here's one random pointer - one of the first that came up on Google for me: |
| 18:28.08 | ChibaPet | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=48996 |
| 18:28.27 | slooth | ChibaPet, valdyn thanks a lot. |
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| 18:31.22 | anddam | bye |
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| 18:37.21 | meder | does anyone know the name of the package in gnome responsible for gui? |
| 18:37.37 | meder | i accidentally removed a bunch of critical packages and can only use the console |
| 18:37.49 | ChibaPet | gnome-desktop-environment? gdm? there are a few moving parts |
| 18:39.24 | nkuttler | !tell meder about install gnome |
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| 18:41.08 | zerobyte | !tell zerobyte about install gnome |
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| 18:41.35 | zerobyte | !tell zerobyte about install X |
| 18:42.25 | meder | er |
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| 18:42.48 | meder | anyone happen to know how to slide to the right in irssi |
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| 18:43.11 | meder | if i alt+right arrow it shifts to next tty |
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| 18:43.19 | meder | cant see the pm |
| 18:43.36 | jordanm | meder: ctrl+n |
| 18:43.43 | meder | thx |
| 18:43.47 | meder | thats soo useful |
| 18:44.02 | meder | grabbing ^gnome$, heh |
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| 18:45.01 | ompaul | !tell zerobyte about selftell |
| 18:45.17 | paolo | hello |
| 18:45.41 | zerobyte | ompaul roger that |
| 18:45.44 | rawsted | thewanderer1: still about? |
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| 18:45.50 | zerobyte | paolo hiya |
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| 18:46.12 | thewanderer1 | rawsted, yeah, why? |
| 18:46.20 | paolo | made an spin off Debian that is centered on Simple Minimal |
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| 18:46.41 | rawsted | thewanderer1: dunno if you noticed my prior question, still curious (i've been out and come back since): i'm somewhat ignorant about linux s/w raid even though these drives are configured in one...will inotify catch like, integrity checks? (if such things happen) |
| 18:46.43 | ompaul | zerobyte: cheers ;-) |
| 18:47.13 | thewanderer1 | rawsted, I think those happen at device level, bypassing VFS, so no, not at all |
| 18:47.22 | paolo | on fresh boot it uses 50MB of RAM |
| 18:47.36 | rawsted | thewanderer1: but they do happen in a default config? like i said, i'm ignorant of these things (first exp with linux raid) |
| 18:47.49 | thewanderer1 | rawsted, yes, they do... there should be a cron entry for that somewhere |
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| 18:48.41 | rawsted | thewanderer1: interesting, alright thanks. secondarily, can i use the IN_ALL_EVENTS macro inside an incrontab, or is that strictly something available programmatically? |
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| 18:49.24 | paolo | which font you guys like: Sans or terminus? |
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| 18:55.10 | rawsted | thewanderer1: it says IN_ALL_EVENTS can be used when calling inotify_add_watch(), so is that what the interface (inotify?) to the incrontab uses? |
| 18:55.15 | rawsted | it = the man page |
| 18:55.50 | thewanderer1 | rawsted, those seem to be inotify.h constants, yes |
| 18:56.16 | rawsted | ok, thanks again |
| 18:57.05 | rawsted | thewanderer1: if my setup fails in some way, where might errors log to? syslog? |
| 18:57.49 | thewanderer1 | rawsted, I don't know |
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| 18:58.04 | silverfix | hello |
| 18:59.24 | silverfix | I need an advice: i'm going to rent a VPS from hetzner I can't decide: is better debian 32 or 64bit? |
| 18:59.30 | silverfix | better = less issue |
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| 18:59.50 | boudiccas | silverfix; what are you going to use it for? |
| 18:59.58 | rawsted | thewanderer1: ok, thanks, i'll just see what happens |
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| 19:00.57 | silverfix | boudiccas: general purpose server |
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| 19:03.49 | jordanm | silverfix: 64bit is fine, unless you have some proprietary 3rd party application which only supports 32bit |
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| 19:04.12 | mparodi | Hello |
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| 19:05.06 | mparodi | I'm still having problems to set ibus as the default input method. It's somehow using xim even if I have set in .zshrc GTK_IM_MODULE=ibus and QT_IM_MODULE=ibus |
| 19:05.14 | mparodi | can anyone please help me? |
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| 19:09.24 | benny74 | ciao |
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| 19:10.08 | silverfix | jordanm: at this point it's convenient to go on 32bit flavour seeing that anyway with 64 i will not have real benefit |
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| 19:14.52 | anathema_ | hi guys |
| 19:15.08 | anathema_ | anyone worked with nmap blocking or IDS? |
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| 19:16.39 | jordanm | does anyone know if there is a manpage that documents environment variables such as LD_RUN_PATH? |
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| 19:17.31 | dioz | is there a `debian way' to get bind9 to work or something? |
| 19:17.40 | dioz | in squeeze |
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| 19:20.38 | jordanm | dioz: "to work"? install the package and it works |
| 19:21.02 | jordanm | dioz: to get it to do what you want will require configuration, which is not debian-specific |
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| 19:23.37 | MMlosh | sedulous, can I install/remove packages from the offline system? some packages said they don't have debs/sums |
| 19:23.44 | meder | so |
| 19:23.46 | MMlosh | somewhere it's ok... somewhere it's IDK |
| 19:23.47 | meder | i installed gnome |
| 19:23.51 | meder | but still no gui |
| 19:24.09 | meder | what else could be the case? |
| 19:24.23 | jordanm | MMlosh: show the command and your output in a pastebin |
| 19:24.27 | meder | gdm? |
| 19:24.32 | jhutchins_lt | meder: It is possible to install gnome but not install xorg, which would be what provides the GUI. |
| 19:24.42 | MMlosh | jordanm, wrong generic answer |
| 19:25.10 | meder | oh, xorg |
| 19:25.12 | jhutchins_lt | MMlosh: You can not install packages you do not have a source for, whether that is an offline disc or an on-line repository. |
| 19:25.15 | jordanm | MMlosh: because its offline? take a picture with your phone and paste that |
| 19:25.41 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: dpkg can |
| 19:25.42 | jhutchins_lt | MMlosh: You can remove software, though occasionally the system will complain that it must have either the package you wish to remove or some other package you may not have available. |
| 19:25.46 | MMlosh | jordanm, jhutchin1_lt it's offline in the meaning "dead". not off the net |
| 19:25.52 | meder | jordanm: i have 'xorg' installed |
| 19:25.56 | meder | but i do not have 'gdm' installed |
| 19:25.58 | meder | theres 'gdm' and 'gdm3' |
| 19:26.02 | meder | should i grab 'gdm3' ? |
| 19:26.06 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: No, you must have a package available in order to install it, that is what I mean by source, not source code. |
| 19:26.19 | meder | or do i debug xorg |
| 19:26.52 | jhutchins_lt | meder: Does X work? |
| 19:27.04 | meder | jhutchins_lt: there is no gui when i start up debian |
| 19:27.09 | meder | i dont know how to manually invoke 'X' |
| 19:27.15 | jhutchins_lt | meder: X |
| 19:27.17 | meder | oh. |
| 19:28.40 | jhutchins_lt | meder: I'm having to guess at what you do and don't have on your system, modern systems assume that a login manager (curiously referred to as a display manager) will be available when starting in graphics mode, hence gdm, gdm3, xdm, kdm, etc. |
| 19:28.48 | jhutchins_lt | meder: ...any of which should work. |
| 19:29.03 | mparodi | where are environment variables defined? |
| 19:29.26 | jhutchins_lt | mparodi: Many places, depending on the environment and the variable. |
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| 19:30.11 | meder | jhutchins_lt: |
| 19:30.14 | mparodi | I'm trying to find where GTK_IM_MODULE=xim is defined, jhutchins_lt |
| 19:30.14 | meder | i invoked 'X' |
| 19:30.25 | meder | and it tried to fire up |
| 19:30.30 | meder | but it stayed black |
| 19:30.34 | meder | and then i hit the shut down button |
| 19:30.38 | meder | and i saw a gui 'x' cursor |
| 19:30.41 | meder | and i moved it around |
| 19:30.44 | meder | and then i saw something like |
| 19:30.49 | meder | fatal module 'fbcon' not found |
| 19:30.54 | meder | and it shut down immediately after that |
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| 19:31.07 | meder | jhutchins_lt: 'gdm3' is not installed |
| 19:31.23 | jordanm | meder: X will not stay running if there are no running X applications |
| 19:31.27 | mparodi | jhutchin1_lt, do you know? |
| 19:31.30 | mparodi | does anyone know? |
| 19:31.45 | meder | so what should i do then, jordanm ? |
| 19:31.47 | jordanm | mparodi: it depends on the environment variable. /etc/profile |
| 19:32.00 | jordanm | meder: install xinit and use "startx" |
| 19:32.19 | mparodi | I already said the variable is GTK_IM_MODULE |
| 19:32.49 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: It always has for me, but maybe I didn't wait long enough. |
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| 19:33.32 | jhutchins_lt | mparodi: That sounds like the sort of thing that someone who works with GTK apps would know, I'm afraid i don't. Google gtk environment debian? |
| 19:33.33 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: it has to have *something* running or it will shutdown. most cases this is a window manager |
| 19:33.48 | jhutchins_lt | meder: Do you know what graphics hardware you have/ |
| 19:33.49 | jhutchins_lt | ? |
| 19:33.55 | meder | i did 'startx' |
| 19:33.58 | meder | and it said 'fbcon' module not found |
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| 19:34.02 | dioz | jordanm: i was about to pastebin all my stuff and then i realized what i did... |
| 19:34.10 | meder | pretty sure i have intel, not sure the specific version jhutchins_lt |
| 19:34.25 | mparodi | I have been trying to solve this problem for hours. believe me I asked in #gtk, #ibus, #many_others and on internet |
| 19:34.31 | jhutchins_lt | meder: lspci should tell you. |
| 19:34.33 | meder | can any of you tell me how i can log the response from 'startx' into a text file so i can pastebin it to you |
| 19:34.44 | meder | i tried 'startx >> meders.txt' but that isnt it |
| 19:34.48 | jhutchins_lt | mparodi: It can be very difficult to find things like that. |
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| 19:35.14 | mparodi | all I'm trying to do is to set the default input method to ibus instead of xim |
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| 19:35.47 | meder | yo jhutchins_lt |
| 19:35.48 | mparodi | I can add GTK_IM_MODULE=ibus in .zshrc but it won't make it global, as someone said here |
| 19:35.53 | meder | http://static.arounds.org/mederz.txt |
| 19:35.59 | meder | that should have the lspci output |
| 19:36.03 | mparodi | jhutchin1_lt, that's the main issue |
| 19:36.50 | jordanm | mparodi: you need to "export" variables into the environment |
| 19:37.13 | jordanm | mparodi: .zshrc would only apply to interactive zsh shells |
| 19:37.23 | mparodi | yes, that's the problem |
| 19:37.36 | mparodi | oh, maybe if I add the same in /etc/environment... |
| 19:37.38 | mparodi | should it work? |
| 19:37.44 | jordanm | mparodi: it needs to go into ~/.profile if you want it to apply to all shells |
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| 19:38.00 | mparodi | not just for shells but for any application |
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| 19:38.48 | meder | i think my issue is that |
| 19:38.54 | meder | my xorg.conf may be outdated or something |
| 19:39.00 | meder | from updates and i kept it instead of updated it |
| 19:39.03 | meder | or something of that nature |
| 19:39.14 | meder | well i also removed a bunch of critical packages like gnome |
| 19:39.19 | meder | but i installed gnome back |
| 19:39.45 | mparodi | jordanm, I added in .profile but when I start a new shell export | grep IM still show me xim |
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| 19:40.05 | mparodi | something is overwriting it or it's not being read |
| 19:40.07 | meder | gm965/gl960 is my intel vga |
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| 19:40.21 | jordanm | mparodi: export exports a variable. env displays current env variables |
| 19:40.39 | sylar | A friend's USB HD fell on the flour, and seemed like it was formated. I put it in linux and dd if=thedisk |less and it seem to have stuff on it. anyone know how to fix it? |
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| 19:40.51 | mparodi | [matias@localhost:~]% env | grep IM |
| 19:40.52 | mparodi | GTK_IM_MODULE=xim |
| 19:40.52 | jordanm | mparodi: "export GTK_IM_MODULE=ibus"; new shell: "env" |
| 19:40.52 | mparodi | same |
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| 19:41.30 | jordanm | mparodi: perhaps something is overwritting it. in bash you can declare a varialbe as read-only, but I don't think that will help you |
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| 19:42.19 | jordanm | mparodi: in bash you can use "bash -x" to see everything that is happening when the shell starts, zsh may have something similar |
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| 19:43.25 | jhutchins_lt | meder: Sorry, missed your reply. xorg.conf is not needed unless you have special drivers or settings you want. |
| 19:43.29 | meder | jordanm: did u see my response that i ran 'startx' and got the same thing, 'fbcon' module not found |
| 19:43.37 | meder | oh, jhutchins_lt |
| 19:43.47 | meder | should i try installing gdm3? |
| 19:43.51 | jordanm | meder: that's not a fatal error. if X failed to start, pastebin your Xorg.0.log |
| 19:43.56 | meder | ok |
| 19:43.56 | meder | sec |
| 19:44.04 | meder | wheres my xorg.0.log? |
| 19:44.11 | meder | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.17 | jhutchins_lt | meder: You need the i910 framebuffer driver for the kernel and the intel i910 xorg driver (should be included). |
| 19:44.22 | jhutchins_lt | !kms |
| 19:44.23 | dpkg | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 19:44.46 | meder | hm |
| 19:44.48 | jhutchins_lt | meder: On a default install with the desktop task this should all configure itself automatically. |
| 19:44.58 | jhutchins_lt | meder: What relase are you working with? Which kernel? |
| 19:44.58 | meder | yeah, but i removed critical packages like a retard |
| 19:45.15 | meder | ..... sid |
| 19:45.15 | jhutchins_lt | meder: Sometimes it's easier to just do a fresh install. |
| 19:45.20 | jhutchins_lt | Oh for.... |
| 19:45.46 | meder | heh |
| 19:46.04 | meder | i'm kind of confused about !kms |
| 19:46.19 | meder | how do i get the i910 framebuffer driver |
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| 19:47.05 | jhutchins_lt | meder: Do a clean install of squeeze. It's included. |
| 19:47.43 | meder | you mean wipe my entire hd? |
| 19:48.14 | meder | or change my /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 19:49.45 | meder | define "It's included" |
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| 19:56.39 | meder | i installed gdm3 |
| 19:56.41 | meder | and rebooted |
| 19:56.44 | meder | i got my gui back |
| 19:56.51 | meder | i had to specify 'gnome classic' in the login screen though |
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| 20:02.51 | MMlosh | jhutchins_lt, jordanm, sedulous http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3954584/running-apt-get-for-another-partition-directory this is what I was looking for (in case someone else asks) |
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| 20:10.42 | bobsaccamano | hi..probably offtopic, but I'll ask it anyway: What tool do you guys use for resolving merge conflicts (svn)? |
| 20:10.52 | bobsaccamano | * on large codebases |
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| 20:12.23 | jordanm | MMlosh: I didn't understand the state of the system. I would have just used a chroot |
| 20:13.14 | jordanm | bobsaccamano: I am not sure how much svn differs, but for git conflicts, I just use my emacs editor... |
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| 20:14.45 | bobsaccamano | jordanm: I was just hoping an emacs user wouldnt answer :) |
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| 20:20.05 | jordanm | bobsaccamano: well, my vim-using collegue uses "meld" |
| 20:20.40 | bobsaccamano | jordanm: thanks, going through its docs now |
| 20:20.55 | Dulak | I use meld myself, the 3 pane view on a merge is very handy |
| 20:21.56 | Juv1228 | anyone have any clever ideas on the best method to set an environment variable in a postinst package script? |
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| 20:22.33 | Juv1228 | set it persistently that is. |
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| 20:23.23 | jordanm | Juv1228: place a file /etc/profile.d/ that exports the variable |
| 20:23.26 | SerajewelKS | ponders under what scenarios smbclient would be able to authenticate with a Vista box, but a Windows 7 box would be unable to |
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| 20:24.09 | jordanm | Juv1228: package.install should install the file, rather than postinst |
| 20:24.29 | Juv1228 | jordanm, ok, and that will take effect for all users? |
| 20:25.24 | jordanm | Juv1228: yes, when they login again or start a new shell |
| 20:26.01 | Juv1228 | good shit, thanks. |
| 20:26.14 | rudi_s | bobsaccamano: man git-mergetool for some popular choices, you can use vim as well ;-) |
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| 20:38.08 | MMlosh | jordanm, that would use the dpkg binary on the broken system |
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| 20:44.52 | bobsaccamano | Dulak: what script are you using in your subversion config file? |
| 20:45.24 | bobsaccamano | i use the one at https://github.com/l0b0/tilde/blob/master/.subversion/svn-merge3-meld.sh and its not working |
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| 20:48.48 | libertyp1ime | Hey guys. I can only access my serial and usb devices under root. I'd like to have them going on my normal user account, but not sure what I'm missing |
| 20:49.00 | Dulak | bobsaccamano: I actually don't use svn, git or hg for me |
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| 20:49.35 | valdyn | libertyp1ime: add yourself to the dialout group for ttyS* |
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| 20:50.09 | valdyn | libertyp1ime: for usb its not as simple as anything can be plugged into usb and this would effectively give you full root |
| 20:50.13 | jordanm | bobsaccamano: that file is actually pretty amusing |
| 20:50.41 | davidmogar | hello. Does someone know a good alternative to jdownloader? |
| 20:50.48 | valdyn | libertyp1ime: better to use sudo for that part |
| 20:51.40 | jaakkos | you can use udev to set up rules for USB devices, too (you can match using idProduct + idVendor) |
| 20:52.31 | libertyp1ime | ok. Thanks for the help valdyn. I'll look into it |
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| 20:52.42 | Dulak | libertyp1ime: add yourself to the following groups: disk, audio, video, dialout, cdrom, fuse, and plugdev |
| 20:52.57 | Dulak | libertyp1ime: that will cover most types of usb devices you would use |
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| 20:53.13 | valdyn | and that gives root effectively |
| 20:53.17 | boudiccas | davidmogar; what does 'jdownloader' do please? apart from the obvious of downloading stuff |
| 20:53.25 | bobsaccamano | jordanm: yes, he's copyrighted a single line which doesnt work |
| 20:53.32 | Dulak | valdyn: ?? how do you figure? |
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| 20:53.56 | libertyp1ime | Thanks daluk |
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| 20:54.24 | valdyn | Dulak: the disk group allows you to modify any disk, that affects more disks than just usb, so its normally giving you root |
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| 20:54.55 | satdav | hey guys do you know if openfire is pre cinfigured to debian |
| 20:55.02 | satdav | on the apt get system |
| 20:55.02 | Dulak | valdyn: write access to a disk dev is not write access to the files and dirs contained on the device |
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| 20:55.19 | valdyn | Dulak: it is, but on a lower layer |
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| 20:55.57 | joshisgay | hello |
| 20:56.08 | ericklan | . |
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| 20:56.16 | satdav | hello joshisgay |
| 20:56.19 | Dulak | valdyn: only so far as you can wipe or format them, you still can't gain access to say the shadow file using just the disk group |
| 20:56.24 | satdav | !help |
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| 20:56.44 | valdyn | Dulak: sure you can read the shadow file |
| 20:56.54 | joshisgay | need some advice on vnc hacking |
| 20:57.03 | valdyn | Dulak: you can read/write the whole disk, that necessarily includes *anything* on the disk |
| 20:57.08 | davidmogar | boudiccas: many things but I only need a download manager to download files from megaupload |
| 20:57.47 | Dulak | valdyn: how? the file and dir permissions still preclude you doing it, it's the device, not the files and dirs on the device |
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| 20:57.51 | boudiccas | davidmogar; wget then |
| 20:57.56 | valdyn | Dulak: you just cant use file access semantics, but thats a different in comfort, not a difference in access permissions |
| 20:58.14 | davidmogar | boudiccas: is it possible to download from megaupload with wget? |
| 20:58.19 | joshisgay | any1 here a msdos fan im using telnet to contact |
| 20:58.51 | boudiccas | davidmogar; no idea about megaupload, but wget can download most stuff, its a cli program |
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| 20:59.30 | davidmogar | boudiccas: I know what wget is but I need something to download from megaupload |
| 20:59.33 | valdyn | Dulak: but even file access semantics are available with the groups you listed, using qemu |
| 21:00.05 | popkill | davidmogar: plowshare |
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| 21:01.08 | davidmogar | popkill: plowshare is too simple. It doesn't had frontend |
| 21:01.30 | davidmogar | have* |
| 21:01.32 | popkill | no, is only cli aplication |
| 21:01.56 | hoverbear | Hey all, using gnome 3 with debian here... When I used it in arch linux there was an "online accounts" section.... there is none in debian (Using wheezy) |
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| 21:02.54 | valdyn | hoverbear: i know its in sid. I think it might be part not of gnome 3.0 but only 3.2 |
| 21:03.16 | valdyn | hoverbear: but if its in gnome 3.0, come up with the actual program name so you can apt-cache search it |
| 21:03.38 | tmi92 | maybe more people are around in here to answer a samba question? |
| 21:04.15 | hoverbear | valdyn: Ah alright. I think it was actually part of the gnome-shell... Maybe I'll need to wait |
| 21:04.36 | valdyn | hoverbear: its not part of gnome-shell, but its probably a component for empathy |
| 21:04.43 | hoverbear | Oh huh |
| 21:05.00 | tmi92 | my samba passes all the tests to see AD and can contact it but my windows machines won't connect to the samba shares, even with just users put in 'valid users' area although before I could connect to the domain I could connect at least with administrator accounts from domain now none of them will connect |
| 21:05.24 | valdyn | hoverbear: the debian package is "gnome-online-accounts" |
| 21:05.31 | hoverbear | valdyn: Oh wow tha nks so much |
| 21:05.43 | hoverbear | valdyn: Looks like it's not in wheezy |
| 21:06.20 | satdav | hey guys what packages are in debrain |
| 21:06.31 | valdyn | !cd contents |
| 21:06.32 | dpkg | To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/list-cd/). |
| 21:06.35 | valdyn | satdav: ^^ |
| 21:06.40 | boudiccas | satdav; no idea, we use debian! :) |
| 21:06.49 | hoverbear | valdyn: Guess I'll have to wait for it to trickle down |
| 21:06.55 | valdyn | hoverbear: yes |
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| 21:07.16 | satdav | I am trying to get one called openfire |
| 21:07.23 | satdav | does it come in debian |
| 21:07.34 | satdav | its a chat systen |
| 21:08.01 | Justin | satdav: no |
| 21:08.03 | hoverbear | satdav: I don't see it in wheezy |
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| 21:08.17 | boudiccas | ,version openfire |
| 21:08.18 | satdav | ano |
| 21:08.19 | judd | No package named 'openfire' was found in i386. |
| 21:08.20 | Justin | it works just fine in debian though |
| 21:08.31 | satdav | but why is zzxc onm it then |
| 21:08.47 | Justin | what? |
| 21:08.49 | satdav | znc i mean |
| 21:08.51 | hoverbear | valdyn: Or is it possible to use sid's gnome3 with wheezy core? |
| 21:09.00 | satdav | .version znc |
| 21:09.08 | satdav | ,version znc |
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| 21:09.10 | judd | Package: znc on i386 -- lenny: 0.058-2+lenny4; lenny-security: 0.058-2+lenny4; lenny-backports: 0.092-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.092-3; sid: 0.202-1+b1; wheezy: 0.202-1+b1 |
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| 21:09.59 | terid | can anyone tell me some grub parameters i can try to solve my black screen issue? |
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| 21:10.58 | satdav | http://www.igniterealtime.org/builds/openfire/docs/latest/documentation/install-guide.html |
| 21:11.03 | satdav | thats the docs their for it |
| 21:11.17 | satdav | but i dont want to install it on my machime just to the server |
| 21:11.20 | satdav | server |
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| 21:25.39 | surf | hi guys how can I disable compiz at startup? I just want to try if this is why mutter of gnome3 is not working |
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| 21:28.22 | tmi92 | net ads join works |
| 21:28.30 | tmi92 | so does net rpc join |
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| 21:28.41 | tmi92 | can see all users in getent users and groups as well.. |
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| 21:29.04 | tmi92 | why can't I map these drives to a windows machine now that I've joined the domain? |
| 21:29.44 | tmi92 | keep getting access denied |
| 21:29.59 | tmi92 | what information do you guys need to help? |
| 21:30.08 | satdav | do you guys support firefox on debian |
| 21:30.13 | satdav | !firefox |
| 21:30.13 | dpkg | Mozilla Firefox is replaced by Iceweasel in Debian. Ask me about <iceweasel> and <why iceweasel>. For actual Mozilla Firefox® support, try #firefox on irc.freenode.net |
| 21:30.32 | kmentat | Anyone know where I can find the patches for the 3.1.1 kernel source code? So far, all I've been able to do is make the system panic on boot. |
| 21:30.40 | kmentat | And I'm getting REALLY good at doing that. |
| 21:30.43 | satdav | can we get the bot updated as we have #firefox on here also |
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| 21:31.56 | jelly-home | kmentat: which debian release are you using? What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 21:32.05 | tmi92 | anyone any good with samba can help me with getting around my access denied issue? |
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| 21:32.36 | kmentat | jelly-home, I'm trying to compile 3.1.1 because 2.6.39 just isn't cutting it. I believe I'm running Debian 6. |
| 21:32.58 | kmentat | tmi92, any particular reason it needs to be Samba? |
| 21:33.00 | jelly-home | kmentat: ok. Why are you compiling a custom kernel? |
| 21:33.24 | jelly-home | kmentat: also 3.1.2 is out |
| 21:33.39 | jelly-home | ,kernets |
| 21:33.41 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 21:33.43 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.1-1); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.1-1); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 21:34.21 | tmi92 | um didn't know there was any other type I suppose... other than using a windows domain only thing I know about that works like that other than use with ldap and that needs samba as well.. |
| 21:34.47 | tmi92 | trying to get away from windows file servers as well.... although they 'work' better together.. |
| 21:35.01 | jelly-home | kmentat: if you have squeeze-backports enabled already, you might be able to install linux-image-3.1.0-* packages from testing using dpkg. |
| 21:35.29 | kmentat | jelly-home, so far I'm trying to get anything more modern than 2 to work. I'd prefer to custom compile so I can ensure I have support for certain ATSC tuner USB chipsets enabled. |
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| 21:35.58 | jelly-home | kmentat: why not build just the v4l drivers separately. |
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| 21:37.29 | kmentat | jelly-home, because it's handled by DVB and not V4L. But seriously? All I know is that something in these precompiled kernels is wreaking havoc with my CardBus USB card, and I'm trying to see if it's a software or a hardware issue that's making everything perform erratically. |
| 21:38.16 | Justin | kmentat: you can install the 3.1 kernel from unstable on squeeze |
| 21:38.27 | Justin | kmentat: you just need to install linux-base and initramfs-tools from backports |
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| 21:38.59 | Justin | I have 3.1 running on 3 laptops that need it for the newest b43 driver |
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| 21:40.57 | jelly-home | kmentat: you can check whether the particular CONFIG_* is enabled in Debian's kernel using something like /msg judd kconfig VIDEO_SAA7110 --release sid |
| 21:41.22 | jelly-home | kmentat: and yeah, building just drivers from dvb tree should be doable |
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| 21:44.39 | jelly-home | whoever designs cardbus cards as usb host+usb card needs to be shot, but that's probably cheaper than a proper pci interface |
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| 21:45.46 | Strife89-iPAQ | Hello. I just finished a netinstall of Debian. (Proprietary) wireless drivers were used and installed during the installation, but now I'm in the system and the network manager apple simply reports "wireless not managed". |
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| 21:52.13 | supayoshi | How do i let a cronjob do multiply commands? |
| 21:52.31 | supayoshi | I want to do like /say ...................... + /say .................. + /say ............. |
| 21:52.39 | dwfreed | supayoshi: have the cronjob start a script that contains all the commands you want to run |
| 21:52.41 | supayoshi | so i made 3 crontab's but :P only the first one worked |
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| 21:52.50 | supayoshi | Ah ok :) well its like this :3 |
| 21:52.56 | supayoshi | My script says a command :P every 15 minutes |
| 21:53.05 | supayoshi | like start.sh command say "message" |
| 21:53.11 | supayoshi | but after that message i want to do another message |
| 21:53.15 | supayoshi | But that doesnt show up =/ |
| 21:53.37 | supayoshi | so what do i do? make another sh script, that calls start.sh? and makes it do all 3 commands? |
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| 22:17.39 | paolo_ | ohai |
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| 22:39.21 | Datz | Hello, I'm having a problem with some packages of debian, I'm not certain of which it is. Perhaps someone could tell how I could configure/fix the problem. Webalizer is giving astronomically incorrect KB values. Here is a screenshot: http://i39.tinypic.com/2a7tw6p.jpg |
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| 22:39.35 | Datz | thanks for any help |
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| 22:42.05 | Datz | if it were possible just to disable kb values from being shown, it would be enough. |
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| 22:42.10 | zophy | Datz, oh, you took the red pill |
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| 22:42.26 | zophy | maybe you are being arrested for that kiddie porn right now |
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| 22:42.40 | jelly-home | !ops zophy |
| 22:42.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: zophy |
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| 22:46.46 | i5513 | hi people, here in Sid, with gnome 3 (gnome-shell), I try to open "iceweasel" or another app from "ALT-F2" launcher and it says it is not exist (I'm from iceweasel now) |
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| 22:47.07 | i5513 | If I try to /usr/bin/iceweasel, gvim will open that bash file |
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| 22:47.22 | i5513 | does your gnome 3 installation suffer that issue ? |
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| 22:47.55 | Justin | i5513: does it work from an xterm? |
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| 22:48.30 | Datz | zophy: red pill? |
| 22:48.32 | i5513 | Justin: all commands tell "command not found". From an terminal they works |
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| 22:49.04 | i5513 | it is not a serious problem for me :) but it is extrange, I'm upgrading now to see if this error disapear |
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| 22:49.26 | Datz | I guess no ones uses webalizer.. |
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| 22:49.43 | i5513 | Datz, yes I used it, a long time ago |
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| 22:51.40 | Datz | ok. would you have an idea why the kb values would be som messed up? http://i39.tinypic.com/2a7tw6p.jpg |
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| 22:52.13 | Datz | I think it actually only started when the month switched over to november |
| 22:52.25 | Datz | which is odd, because I didn't perform any updates |
| 22:52.45 | Datz | I think the problem may be with how apache reports the values, but I'm not certain |
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| 22:54.11 | Datz | goes afk for some minutes |
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| 22:58.35 | i5513 | Datz, I can't read the header, but make sure your apache logs are in the format which apache wait |
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| 22:59.20 | i5513 | s/apache wait/webalizer wait/ |
| 22:59.47 | forrest | I'm having a problem getting my sid laptop to recognize my usb audio device -- it shows up in /proc/asound/cards but anything else can't see it |
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| 23:01.12 | nkuttler | forrest: aplay -l |
| 23:01.23 | Sbrun | How do I best install Debian _etch_? Are there any network mirrors up? The installer always complains about mirrors not being available or not having a valid Release file. |
| 23:01.30 | forrest | nkuttler, doesn't see it. |
| 23:01.45 | nkuttler | forrest: try #alsa then i guess |
| 23:01.58 | nkuttler | forrest: and check dmesg for errors |
| 23:02.12 | forrest | oh someone just responded in #alsa |
| 23:02.21 | civillian | Sbrun: you'll probably need to use archive.debian.org for etch |
| 23:02.27 | forrest | nothing unusual in /var/logs i could see |
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| 23:05.33 | Sbrun | civillian: Should I point the installer at /debian/ or /debian/etch/ ? |
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| 23:06.43 | spoq | is debian available with the burtation plug-in? |
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| 23:07.17 | civillian | Sbrun: /debian/ should do it |
| 23:07.48 | Sbrun | Ah, right. etch is added separate to the directory in sources.list |
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| 23:08.10 | Sbrun | Thanks, that seems to work (and is faster than getting the DVD) |
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| 23:08.33 | civillian | Sbrun: no probs. Also, try squeeze |
| 23:09.00 | jelly-home | well it he's using etch there's probably a valid reason |
| 23:09.03 | jelly-home | if* |
| 23:10.03 | Sbrun | I'm mostly running sid/experimental at the workstation(s) or the current stable for my stuff, but I need to build a package for a customer who is stuck at etch currently. |
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| 23:24.30 | Sbrun | What does debian-update-4.0r9-amd64-DVD-1.iso contain? |
| 23:24.48 | dvs | Sbrun: the difference between 4.0 and 4.0r9 |
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| 23:27.04 | Sbrun | Ah, good. Thanks. |
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| 23:31.08 | ws2k3 | how can i search for files in the entire debian filesystem? |
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| 23:31.32 | zumbi | apt-file search foo ? |
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| 23:31.59 | zumbi | ws2k3: files in packages or just local files? |
| 23:32.23 | zumbi | ws2k3: for the later, find / -name "*$filename*" |
| 23:32.28 | ws2k3 | local files |
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| 23:33.09 | karlpinc_ | ws2k3: locate? |
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| 23:33.54 | Sbrun | ws2k3: There are multiple ways. On the console there's primarily locate (which uses a possibly outdated index) or find (which really scans directories). |
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| 23:42.40 | Datz | what is the command line bug reporting program? |
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| 23:42.56 | petemc | reportbug |
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| 23:43.48 | Datz | thanks |
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| 23:49.06 | Datz | <PROTECTED> |
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