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| 00:03.00 | ws2k3 | how can i change the user as which apache2 is running? |
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| 00:17.55 | icedwater | Hi guys, got a 2nd instance of udevd freezing up my Debian. I get a udevderror because the second instance can't start (there should only be one, right?) and I don't know what to do to fix it. |
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| 00:20.39 | icedwater | Gonna be back with a more specific error message... |
| 00:20.43 | icedwater | sighs. |
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| 00:29.16 | thepro4ever | how do i grant a user the ability to execuit /etc/init.d/apache2 stop without having to be root? |
| 00:30.10 | civillian | thepro4ever: a pro would know |
| 00:30.25 | civillian | thepro4ever: sudo |
| 00:30.29 | zerobyte | thepro4ever create a Group just for that |
| 00:31.08 | thepro4ever | got an article on how to do that for dummies? |
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| 00:32.37 | zerobyte | thepro4ever http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/allow-a-normal-user-to-run-commands-as-root.html |
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| 00:36.24 | icedwater | Sigh, didn't manage to get anything new useful. Except I saw udevd start once and fail on the second try. What can I change to make sure udevd only starts once? |
| 00:37.29 | icedwater | !help udevd |
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| 00:39.10 | icedwater | I'm running 2.6.32-5-686 and can boot to single mode. |
| 00:39.20 | thepro4ever | thank you |
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| 00:44.43 | icedwater | Which log files should I look at to check when I boot/poweroff my computer? |
| 00:45.26 | phogg | icedwater: just use last |
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| 00:46.13 | icedwater | phogg: last? OK... by the way, I'm using a Kubuntu live CD now chrooted to my Debian partition :( |
| 00:46.48 | phogg | icedwater: well, lastlog then |
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| 00:48.22 | icedwater | Hmm... OK, not much help there though, it shows my last login over SSH. But thanks! |
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| 00:48.53 | icedwater | Any idea how I can debug this double udevd problem? |
| 00:49.02 | phogg | icedwater: syslog may show some things on startup/shutdown as daemons go up and down |
| 00:49.31 | Zeranoe | Hello, I'm using debian and I'm wondering why firefox is not in the repos. I know about the licenses issues but why not include an unmodified verison in the repos? Or is this a deeper issue? |
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| 00:50.00 | nevyn | Zeranoe: debian can't support firefox. so it can't be in the repos |
| 00:50.01 | dvs | Zeranoe: the Firefox licence does not allow for it.\ |
| 00:50.23 | Zeranoe | nevyn: why cant it? |
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| 00:50.40 | nevyn | dvs: not quite the firefox code licence (gpl/mpl) does the firefox trademark licence doesn't |
| 00:50.43 | icedwater | OK, my suspicion is that after my last linux image upgrade yesterday using apt-get, I might not have been able to boot cleanly. Except I didn't reboot my computer until much later today, so I can't really recall when what happened. |
| 00:50.45 | Zeranoe | dvs: The only issue was due to modification by debian right? So why not just provide an un modified version? |
| 00:51.01 | icedwater | I'll look through the syslogs though. Both grep and zgrep. |
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| 00:51.28 | nevyn | Zeranoe: iceweasel is the firefox code just with the trademarks removed and modified to meed debian policy. |
| 00:51.34 | nevyn | s/meed/meet/g |
| 00:51.52 | nevyn | !firefox |
| 00:51.52 | dpkg | Mozilla Firefox is replaced by Iceweasel in Debian. Ask me about <iceweasel> and <why iceweasel>. For actual Mozilla Firefox® support, try #firefox on irc.freenode.net |
| 00:51.59 | nevyn | !why iceweasel |
| 00:52.00 | icedwater | Ah, I'm starting udev twice somehow... but that much I already knew.. |
| 00:52.00 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 00:52.10 | Zeranoe | nevyn: I've used both, I'm not sure what version of firefox it is compared to, but it is very different. |
| 00:53.13 | nevyn | Zeranoe: if you're using debian stable it's whatever was released by mozilla when debian stable shipped |
| 00:53.48 | icedwater | Is it normal for two copies of udev to start, though? |
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| 00:54.12 | Zeranoe | nevyn: Understood |
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| 00:54.43 | civillian | icedwater: I'm running 3 on my testing machine here |
| 00:54.59 | icedwater | Yeah, looking through old syslogs it doesn't seem to have caused a problem before. |
| 00:55.15 | nevyn | Zeranoe: that's one of the problems. mozilla were not happy for debian to patch security problems in firefox for stable |
| 00:55.23 | nevyn | they wanted debian to ship the newer firefox. |
| 00:55.24 | icedwater | civillian: So... I don't know why my system freezes at the login screen, though. |
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| 00:55.33 | icedwater | Can't even switch ttys to log in. |
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| 00:55.50 | nevyn | which breaks debians concept of "stable" (bug & Security fixes no new features) |
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| 00:57.06 | civillian | icedwater: what if you start x via console? |
| 00:57.09 | Zeranoe | nevyn: How serious were these issues, why didn't they just patch them and allow debian to keep using it? |
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| 00:57.37 | icedwater | civillian: Do your udevds clash, though? I thought it might have caused the problem because it was the only thing that registered 'failed'. |
| 00:58.14 | icedwater | civillian: Will try later, trying to get stuff done on the live CD as well. LiveCD boots take forever when you're sleepy at 1am :P |
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| 01:00.57 | civillian | icedwater: never had to fix udev really |
| 01:01.36 | icedwater | I doubt the problem is there, though, civillian. But I'll try startx from runlevel 1 next boot. |
| 01:01.59 | icedwater | Or was it runlevel S... |
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| 01:03.42 | icedwater | Well, if there's anything, icedwater is registered, so whoever has ideas please feel free to leave a message on msgbot.. |
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| 01:04.29 | icedwater | Be back soon. |
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| 01:08.45 | alex_____ | hello everyone, i'm having an issue with debian: i need to completely disable nouveau because it kernel panics my system |
| 01:09.07 | alex_____ | i'm trying to install from a debian disk but as soon as i boot into the installer it crashes |
| 01:09.41 | alex_____ | i know it's the nouveau driver 'cause a call stack is printed on screen |
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| 01:09.53 | nsadmin | perhaps the cpu the installer is for and the cpu you have are incompatible? |
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| 01:10.27 | nsadmin | what's a nouveau? |
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| 01:10.55 | alex_____ | it's some kind of experimental opensource driver for nvidia cards |
| 01:10.57 | Dulak | nouveau is the open source nvidia driver |
| 01:11.11 | alex_____ | i had to remove my card now |
| 01:11.12 | dvs | !nouveau |
| 01:11.13 | dpkg | The nouveau project aims to build high-quality, open source drivers for NVIDIA video cards. Nouveau <DRM> is in mainline as of Linux 2.6.33 and included in linux-2.6 since 2.6.32-10. The display driver is packaged as xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, DRI/3D support is not enabled; read its README.Debian file for important notes. For 3D support on Debian systems, use the proprietary "nvidia" driver, ask me about <nvidia>. |
| 01:11.15 | alex_____ | it's installing fine now |
| 01:11.16 | nsadmin | so it's nv? |
| 01:11.25 | alex_____ | but i can't really use that card |
| 01:11.31 | alex_____ | it's the integrated one |
| 01:11.40 | alex_____ | an hd3xxx from ati |
| 01:12.00 | nsadmin | what are your eventual goals for video? |
| 01:12.15 | alex_____ | do i have to recompile the kernel? is there some kind of parameter to avoid that? |
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| 01:12.33 | alex_____ | i will install the official drivers |
| 01:12.34 | nsadmin | that part I don't know... |
| 01:12.40 | alex_____ | as soon as i can |
| 01:12.55 | nsadmin | so the closed-src nvidia drivers? |
| 01:13.00 | alex_____ | it's just that the default kernel tries to load nouveau and it panics |
| 01:13.05 | nsadmin | and so, you want to do 3d? |
| 01:13.07 | alex_____ | so i couldn't even install the system |
| 01:13.10 | alex_____ | yeah |
| 01:13.31 | nsadmin | or you just want it to work/install, and once it does, whether 3d support or not, you're good? |
| 01:13.50 | alex_____ | i'd like to obliterate nouveau completely |
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| 01:14.08 | alex_____ | i always used the official drivers |
| 01:14.19 | nsadmin | so you have two videos, one builtin to your mobo, one in a slot? |
| 01:14.49 | alex_____ | yes |
| 01:14.57 | nsadmin | the builtin is ato? |
| 01:14.59 | nsadmin | ati |
| 01:15.02 | alex_____ | yes |
| 01:15.17 | nsadmin | OK, why not use that card? |
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| 01:15.26 | alex_____ | well |
| 01:15.27 | nsadmin | (just asking) |
| 01:15.31 | alex_____ | it's not THAT good compared |
| 01:15.35 | alex_____ | to my new gtx470 |
| 01:15.37 | alex_____ | *570 |
| 01:15.38 | alex_____ | :P |
| 01:15.56 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 01:16.05 | alex_____ | and i will also be using cuda |
| 01:17.08 | sigmonsay | So I have a very strange problem. I've been running ext3 on a raid5 for several years. Recently two drives failed in a very short period of time, as well as the OS drive. After re-installing and replacing the OS drive, the RAID came online just fine without errors (I had to remove the drives and add them back again). Upon accessing various files I noticed ext3 errors about bad inodes, so I took it down, ran e2fsck on it with -vcy flags an |
| 01:17.08 | sigmonsay | d now it seems like files across the machine are corrupted. |
| 01:17.39 | alex_____ | i can reboot now, but i'm sure that it will panic during boot if i attach my video card :( |
| 01:17.41 | alex_____ | let me try |
| 01:17.56 | sigmonsay | Am I crazy thinking that ext3 + journal *should* avoid this? |
| 01:17.57 | nsadmin | so, you have a brand spankin new fancy all-the-matrix-math-onboard 3d wubbawubba spantankulously efficient at muay thai kickboxing, and washes your eggwhites too? |
| 01:18.54 | nsadmin | point is... if the card is -really- very new, you might have to wait until a driver would work for it, and/or you can get firmware for it |
| 01:19.05 | nsadmin | notice I said -might- |
| 01:19.10 | alex_____ | nsadmin: it was working fine |
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| 01:19.20 | nsadmin | when? under what os? |
| 01:19.23 | alex_____ | i was on ubuntu |
| 01:19.27 | nsadmin | aha |
| 01:19.40 | alex_____ | and i was using the official drivers |
| 01:19.49 | nsadmin | ok, so you might need to go back and find out what drivers they would use |
| 01:19.50 | nevyn | sigmonsay: yes you are. |
| 01:19.50 | alex_____ | but it also worked with the opensource ones |
| 01:19.51 | alex_____ | from xorg |
| 01:20.01 | alex_____ | i noticed the debian stable was working |
| 01:20.04 | alex_____ | with kernel 2.6.x |
| 01:20.10 | nevyn | sigmonsay: the problem is the re-assembly of the array with 2 failures |
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| 01:20.34 | alex_____ | but when i upgraded to testing it installed kernel 3.0.1 which crashes with the opensource drivers :/ |
| 01:20.38 | Zeranoe | is it unwise to run: apt-get dist-upgrade -t squeeze-backports ? Should I only install packages from backports when I need to, or I run into issues with the "stable" ones? |
| 01:20.41 | nevyn | sigmonsay: if you were carless in doing this. you could easlly have messed up the filesystem |
| 01:20.50 | nsadmin | I'll note that since it did work with ubuntu, #ubuntu (again) -might- be helpful in helping you determine what you need |
| 01:20.53 | sigmonsay | nevyn, thanks. I'm starting to suspect that adding them back in was a bad idea.. But with 5 drives and 2 failures, everything was toast |
| 01:20.54 | nevyn | sigmonsay: more precicely if you had an array with disk A B C D |
| 01:21.02 | nevyn | sigmonsay: the trick is. |
| 01:21.06 | nsadmin | ok, what is wrong with going back to stable? |
| 01:21.17 | nsadmin | if anything :) |
| 01:21.31 | nevyn | if the array ejects B continues degraded (but one failure is non-fatal) |
| 01:21.35 | nevyn | and then ejects D |
| 01:22.07 | nevyn | if you reassemble the array with ABC then D then much badness happens |
| 01:22.13 | nsadmin | does testing have a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 01:22.20 | nevyn | if you reassemble with ACD then B then it's fine |
| 01:22.48 | sigmonsay | interesting. Guess i'll try my luck. I fsck'd the whole thing already so damage is done =P |
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| 01:23.26 | Zeranoe | is it unwise to run: apt-get dist-upgrade -t squeeze-backports ? Should I only install packages from backports when I need to, or I run into issues with the "stable" ones? |
| 01:24.02 | nevyn | Zeranoe: they represent fundamentally incompatible ideologies. |
| 01:24.34 | nsadmin | Zeranoe, backports generally don't include a whole core/base, or if it does, maybe not all of it |
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| 01:24.52 | Zeranoe | nevyn: What do you mean by that? |
| 01:24.59 | nevyn | Zeranoe: in particular debian proscribes a more traditional "stable get's fixes no new features" and the mozilla view is "fixes and features together" |
| 01:25.24 | alex_____ | nsadmin: doesn't really solve the problem |
| 01:25.36 | alex_____ | i've tried different distros today and all of them gave me the same problem |
| 01:25.43 | Zeranoe | nsadmin: Meaning I want to dist-upgrade or not? |
| 01:25.50 | alex_____ | i wanted to know if there was something i could pass to the kernel to avoid nouveau |
| 01:26.07 | nsadmin | to upgrades? I'd say no, but it also depends on why you want to do so |
| 01:26.28 | Zeranoe | nevyn: What does mozilla have to do with backports? |
| 01:27.01 | nevyn | 11:54 < Zeranoe> nevyn: How serious were these issues, why didn't they just patch them and allow debian to keep using it? |
| 01:27.09 | nevyn | 11:54 < Zeranoe> nevyn: How serious were these issues, why didn't they just patch them and allow debian to keep using it? |
| 01:27.33 | Raccoon1400 | I am trying to setup wireless on a new install on a dell laptop, and I am having trouble turning wireless on. There is a keyboard shortcut turns on the card, and there is an indicator light that comes on. But this doesn't work in debian. How can I turn my card on? |
| 01:27.54 | nsadmin | alex_____, ahh... so when you said you were having problems with debian, it was really that you were having problems with all dists using linux kernel 3.0? |
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| 01:28.34 | Zeranoe | nevyn: Ah, that was a while ago. How do you feel about my dist-upgrade question, should I run it or not? |
| 01:28.39 | nsadmin | btw, did you back up before trying to upgrade to testing? |
| 01:28.56 | alex_____ | well |
| 01:29.11 | alex_____ | the last ones i tried were debian-based |
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| 01:29.16 | alex_____ | now i am using debian |
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| 01:29.31 | nevyn | Zeranoe: I'm the last person you should ask. |
| 01:29.36 | alex_____ | anyway, i don't really know what kind of kernels they were using |
| 01:29.40 | nsadmin | ok, and it's also running kernel3, and that's not working with the new fancy card? |
| 01:29.47 | alex_____ | for the live cd |
| 01:29.53 | icedwater | civillian: Hi, I'm back. Thanks, starting from console worked. But this should at best be a temporary workaround, right? |
| 01:30.08 | alex_____ | i tried ubuntu and mint (both debian and ubuntu) |
| 01:30.26 | icedwater | Had to manually define the network interfaces to get online... took a bit of trial and error. |
| 01:30.53 | civillian | icedwater: probably gnome network manager making life difficult |
| 01:31.10 | nsadmin | ok, the codebase for debian versus ubuntu are decreasingly related when the debian side goes from sid to testing to stable |
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| 01:32.09 | nsadmin | icedwater, seems like it should be temporary... is it that you want it to start in graphics when you reboot? |
| 01:32.48 | nsadmin | (that is, ubuntu is most closely related to debian unstable) |
| 01:33.02 | alex_____ | crash again :/ i'm using kernel 2.6.x |
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| 01:33.16 | Zeranoe | Does anyone know if it's safe to run: apt-get dist-upgrade -t squeeze-backports ? A ton a packages will be upgraded if it runs, I don't know if it is the right move though |
| 01:33.28 | sigmonsay | nevyn, is there somewhere I can read more about the order of re-assembly? |
| 01:33.43 | nsadmin | alex_____, at this pt can you find a dist that works (a live cd would be most convenient)? |
| 01:33.47 | abrotman | Zeranoe: in general, you install the ones you need .. not all of them |
| 01:33.48 | icedwater | nsadmin: Couldn't log in graphically earlier... thought it was a udevd problem as it threw an error before gdm loaded. civillian suggested I go to single user, then startx from there... the result is, somehow my compose key is working in openoffice *yay* but network-manager doesn't show up in the panel and I had to ifconfig stuff myself. |
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| 01:34.30 | Zeranoe | abrotman: Will that command upgrade all of my packages to the backports versions, or just the ones I've installed though backports? |
| 01:34.54 | nsadmin | icedwater, yeah, all that sounds like it should be temporary pending you finding the solution which gets you to normal operation |
| 01:34.58 | alex_____ | nsadmin: i will try ubuntu once more |
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| 01:35.04 | alex_____ | then i don't know what to do :/ |
| 01:35.30 | alex_____ | i mean |
| 01:35.33 | nsadmin | alex_____, so you know I'm just trying to gather and organize the info |
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| 01:35.45 | icedwater | nsadmin: that's it, I don't even know what the problem is, how do I find the solution? |
| 01:35.53 | alex_____ | i didn't change distro or kernel |
| 01:35.56 | alex_____ | when i upgraded |
| 01:36.00 | nsadmin | I don't know as many specifics about your situation as maybe I should |
| 01:36.03 | alex_____ | nvidia drivers were already installed |
| 01:36.15 | alex_____ | could that be related? |
| 01:36.16 | icedwater | Only symptoms I can find are that login screen loads, keyboard and mouse freeze so I can't log in. |
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| 01:36.25 | nsadmin | icedwater, well you're exactly right: |
| 01:36.31 | nsadmin | you have to find the problem first |
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| 01:36.37 | nevyn | sigmonsay: reverse order of disassembly. |
| 01:36.58 | icedwater | And that udevd's 2nd instance tries to load but "seems like udevd is already running" so it returns "failed!" |
| 01:37.11 | nsadmin | icedwater, how do kbd and mouse talk to X? |
| 01:37.17 | alex_____ | maybe nouveau was disabled by the NVIDIA installer |
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| 01:37.21 | nsadmin | err scratch that |
| 01:37.23 | icedwater | Been tossing rocks at Google, but maybe they're the wrong rocks. |
| 01:37.31 | nsadmin | how do kbd and mouse connect to computer? |
| 01:37.41 | icedwater | nsadmin: How would I check that anyway, Xorg.conf? |
| 01:37.50 | icedwater | nsadmin: to your second question, it's a laptop :P |
| 01:38.02 | icedwater | But I sense you were looking for another answer... |
| 01:38.19 | hell_razer | i have forms.DateTimeField(input_formats=('%d.%m.%Y %H:%M ',)) - how to set here default valu? |
| 01:38.21 | icedwater | Not sure how to find it though. lsmod? Should I be looking in the kernel modules? |
| 01:39.02 | icedwater | hell_razer: That sounds like a problem with $SCRIPTING_LANGUAGE, why not ask in #{$SCRIPTING_LANGUAGE}? |
| 01:39.05 | nsadmin | I've actually been having the problem you're experiencing on and off (mostly off)... example, while I was building latest ardour, mouse and keyboard disconnected... when I hooked spare usb mouse and kbd, I could use those |
| 01:40.10 | hell_razer | icedwater: lol, sorry, missed chanel |
| 01:40.16 | icedwater | nsadmin: I don't have a USB keyboard handy, nor do I want to reboot now... but I'll check them tomorrow, or at least after I get a few hours of shut-eye :P |
| 01:40.26 | icedwater | hell_razer: no worries, just reminding. |
| 01:40.28 | hell_razer | icedwater: debian and django tabs is near) |
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| 01:41.03 | icedwater | is considering asking a jQuery question here... but decides against it. :P |
| 01:41.19 | nsadmin | icedwater, for me, I didn't want to reboot before I could get control of the computer |
| 01:41.40 | nsadmin | I hooked the kbd up, then I could shut down properly |
| 01:42.01 | nsadmin | I also have a laptop and |
| 01:42.22 | nsadmin | I found that both the kbd and mouse were ps2 |
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| 01:42.51 | icedwater | nsadmin: Hmm... will be checking tomorrow. For now the interim solution will have to do. Could it have been a kernel upgrade yesterday throwing things off? |
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| 01:43.19 | nsadmin | well kernel upgrades represent fairly big changes usually |
| 01:43.26 | nsadmin | so, yes, could be |
| 01:43.45 | nsadmin | maan, how hard can it be to find drummer... |
| 01:43.50 | icedwater | nsadmin: Nice to know, also they seem to have chomped my old kernel. Anything I can do to apt-get it back? |
| 01:44.29 | nsadmin | take a look in your /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-* |
| 01:44.33 | icedwater | Well, Kubuntu 10.04 live works, but obviously Ubuntu kernels are different creatures from Debian ones. |
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| 01:45.54 | icedwater | Also, I'm trying to understand the output of last which civillian recommended earlier. reboot seems to have logged on for some weird durations... overlapping time periods... |
| 01:47.17 | icedwater | nsadmin: civillian: it logged on at 05:40, 05:41, 05:42 and logged off each time at 07:07, for example. |
| 01:47.47 | icedwater | I'm assuming these correspond to the times I just tried restarting the computer and hoping something worked like a Windows user :P |
| 01:47.58 | sigmonsay | thanks nevyn |
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| 01:48.28 | icedwater | Just not sure what decides the login times, since there are entries after that which log out at another later time stamp, 09:44. |
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| 01:48.57 | das7002 | quick question, how do I get the pid from a process started by at? |
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| 01:49.33 | icedwater | Anyway, I'll check the logs tomorrow... night guys, and thanks nsadmin civillian for the help :) Also, whoever I might have missed during the reboots. |
| 01:49.52 | knob | Hello everyone... this isn't Debian specific, yet I don't know where else to look. If you point me in a general direction, I'll get the info. |
| 01:49.53 | civillian | icedwater: cya mate |
| 01:50.01 | knob | I'm trying to add an "A Record" to the new remote server |
| 01:50.10 | icedwater | has gone AFK. (Sleep is for the weak... so that they may become strong.) |
| 01:50.38 | knob | There's a few basics I don't understand.... in the new server's host, I have "Add DNS Record for domain.com" |
| 01:50.47 | das7002 | knob: use either bind and self host the DNS or add it to wherever that domain names DNS server is |
| 01:50.56 | icedwater | Actually, I should probably just go /away. |
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| 01:51.38 | alex_____ | nsadmin: yes, it looks like the nvidia drivers disable nouveau |
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| 01:51.51 | knob | Ok, I registered the domain at Host-A... then that domain's DNS server would be located at that host, right? Not the new server's host? |
| 01:51.55 | alex_____ | this is why my system was working fine when i upgraded to the new video card: the drivers were already installed |
| 01:52.08 | alex_____ | i can't install them from a non-nvidia card though :/ so i'm kinda screwed now |
| 01:52.09 | Vasistha | das7002: do you know anything about the process other than that it was started by at? |
| 01:52.19 | alex_____ | unless i disable nouveau completely by rebuilding the kernel |
| 01:52.39 | das7002 | Vasistha: I know that it runs inside Java |
| 01:53.02 | das7002 | Vasistha: I kinda would prefer to not do some magic ps workaround to get the pid that way... |
| 01:53.15 | Vasistha | das7002: you're probably going to want to look for a java process then - you don't like pgrep? |
| 01:53.57 | Vasistha | knob: what do you mean when you say "that domain's dns server" |
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| 01:54.14 | knob | Over at Host-A? I have a list of name servers over there |
| 01:54.22 | das7002 | Vasistha: Well I can use it if I need to, but I'd much rather just be able to get the pid like I could with $! > blah.pid |
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| 01:55.41 | Vasistha | das7002: does the process have a pid listed in /var/run or something? how is at starting the process? |
| 01:56.06 | Vasistha | das7002: as for the latter, what I mean is, if there isn't something you can find in /var/run maybe you can put something in there to reference |
| 01:56.12 | das7002 | Vasistha: in an init script... best way I could figure out how to get java to start as a daemon for me |
| 01:57.34 | Vasistha | das7002: so you wrote the init script? |
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| 01:58.07 | das7002 | Vasitha: its a very basic one yes, and I did throw it together quickly |
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| 01:58.39 | Vasistha | das7002: in that case I'd imagine you could just add something to that init script to create a pid file in /var/run |
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| 01:58.51 | waltman | Is perl still broken in testing? I'm trying to decide if it's worth trying to fix my dependencies or to wait a little longer. |
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| 01:59.13 | Zeranoe | Could anyone tell me how I can find out information about my GPU? I'm on a laptop and don't know off hand |
| 01:59.16 | das7002 | Vasitha: I have tried that before using $! > blah.pid and nothing gets written to the pid file |
| 01:59.40 | Vasistha | das7002: what is the command that you are using to run java as a daemon? |
| 01:59.41 | waltman | Right now I've got some bizarre dependency errors, e.g. "liblucene2-java: Breaks: eclipse-platform (<= 3.5.2-11) but 3.5.2-11 is installed." |
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| 02:00.25 | das7002 | echo "sudo -u serveruser java -jar javadaemon.jar > server.log" | at now |
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| 02:00.41 | waltman | and "libgcc1: Breaks: gcc-4.1 but 4.1.2-29 is installed. Breaks: gcc-4.3 (< 4.3.6-1) but 4.3.5-5 is installed." |
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| 02:02.14 | Zeranoe | Anyone have any ideas how I can find out what GPU is running on my laptop? |
| 02:02.30 | das7002 | Zeranoe: google the model number? |
| 02:02.43 | Vasistha | das7002: gosh that seems like a really silly way to do that |
| 02:03.02 | waltman | Is there a better channel than this to be asking about debian testing? |
| 02:03.15 | Vasistha | das7002: can you not just run it like this: ( sudo -u ... > server.log ) & |
| 02:03.16 | Zeranoe | How can I find out the GPU from the commandline? |
| 02:03.25 | ChibaPet | dmesg | less |
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| 02:03.30 | Vasistha | !hardware |
| 02:03.30 | dpkg | Before buying any hardware, make sure it is supported by all operating systems you want to use; ask me about <hcl>. To acquire details about your current hardware, ask me about <whats my hardware>. Please ask all non-Debian-specific hardware questions in ##hardware on irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:03.37 | Vasistha | !whats my hardware |
| 02:03.37 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run "lshw -html > myhardware.html" as root and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>, <driver locator>. |
| 02:03.45 | Vasistha | Zeranoe: ^^^ |
| 02:04.02 | Zeranoe | Wow thanks! |
| 02:04.09 | das7002 | Vasistha: Ive tried that but init just hangs as Java doesn't give up stdout (and I dont have source to it) |
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| 02:05.39 | Vasistha | das7002: I'm feeling like you might get better help in #bash because there are a couple things going on there that I'm really not sure about |
| 02:05.49 | sickn3ss | Hey :-? anyone know what the chmod is to make files readable only for root ? :-? |
| 02:05.51 | sickn3ss | kind of forgot it |
| 02:05.59 | das7002 | Vasistha: alright, thanks anyway. if worst comes to worst there is always ps and grep! |
| 02:06.08 | Vasistha | sickn3ss: well is the file OWNED by root? |
| 02:06.18 | ChibaPet | chmod 0600 makes a file readable and writeable only by its owner - make sure that owner is root |
| 02:06.34 | sickn3ss | Vasistha, yes, and thanks ChibaPet I'll try that |
| 02:07.06 | Vasistha | sickn3ss: also you can use letter notation like chmod go-rwx |
| 02:07.41 | sickn3ss | ChibaPet, did that logged as root but I'm still able to read the file as an unprivileged user |
| 02:08.03 | ChibaPet | 0400 read-only, 0600 read and write, 0700 read, write, and execute - the number are 1 - execute, 2 - write, and 4 - read - add them together to get your desired combination |
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| 02:08.47 | sickn3ss | ChibaPet, yes but what I'm trying to do it make a file read-only but only by root, not by someone else |
| 02:08.50 | ChibaPet | sickn3ss, ls -l filename and you should see something like this: -r-------- 1 root root 0 Nov 27 21:08 file |
| 02:08.59 | ChibaPet | right, understood |
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| 02:09.52 | nsadmin | sickn3ss, so, owned by root, read only for owner, write for... what? |
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| 02:10.18 | sickn3ss | nsadmin, fixed it thanks ChibaPet |
| 02:10.28 | sickn3ss | just wanted a file to be read only :) just by root and that's all |
| 02:10.48 | ChibaPet | Here, you might enjoy this: http://www.dartmouth.edu/~rc/help/faq/permissions.html |
| 02:11.07 | sickn3ss | thanks |
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| 02:16.21 | nsadmin | sickn3ss, it could be you need acls to get exactly what you want... you may be able to approximate with owner perm and group perm, but note, there are aspects of this which are a bit weird (not writable to root makes very little sense, for one thing; and then writable to someone other than root could be risky to the owner of the machine or of the organization the machine serves) |
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| 02:16.48 | waltman | Oh well, since no one here seems to know if testing's broken, I'm just going to go ahead and try to do a full-upgrade. |
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| 02:16.59 | ChibaPet | ACLs are fun and frightening all in one go. |
| 02:17.06 | nsadmin | well what's risky is if the file is owned by root |
| 02:17.25 | ChibaPet | waltman, I'm unaware of Perl being broken in Wheezy, but it's now been 2-3 days since I had a Wheezy box up. Sorry! |
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| 02:18.52 | nsadmin | waltman, a reminder, testing is a moving target recommended for people with some unix-alike skills and who know, for example, that problem reports can be found at the place dpkg messages you when you /msg dpkg bts |
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| 02:19.29 | waltman | It's hard to even know which of the 188 packages it wants to update is the problem. |
| 02:19.41 | nsadmin | it should tell you |
| 02:19.51 | waltman | Actually I just killed the update because I noticed it was going to remove ant. |
| 02:20.11 | waltman | nsadmin: Well, I just posted a few of the messages but no one said anything... |
| 02:20.43 | nsadmin | be careful... you should not stop an apt run if it's actually installing packages... safe, however, when it's -downloading- them |
| 02:20.55 | waltman | huh? |
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| 02:21.24 | waltman | I've already run update. When I run safe-upgrade, it says "Unable to safely resolve dependencies, try running with --full-resolver" |
| 02:21.52 | alex_____ | nsadmin: ok i managed to fix the problem |
| 02:21.54 | alex_____ | :P |
| 02:22.06 | nsadmin | alex_____, yay :) |
| 02:22.13 | nsadmin | !next |
| 02:22.14 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 02:22.39 | alex_____ | but i'll get back to ubuntu |
| 02:22.45 | nsadmin | how did you find, and fix it? |
| 02:22.54 | alex_____ | it's how i supposed it was |
| 02:22.56 | waltman | nsadmin: Oh, I misread what you wrote. It was still in the middle of downloading 140 mb of packages. |
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| 02:23.04 | alex_____ | when you install the nvidia drivers |
| 02:23.13 | nsadmin | waltman, then you're safe |
| 02:23.13 | alex_____ | the installers disables the nouveau (open source) drivers |
| 02:23.16 | alex_____ | which caused the problem |
| 02:23.36 | alex_____ | and it also installed the drivers |
| 02:23.36 | alex_____ | i simply pulled the nvidia toolkit from a debian repository |
| 02:23.44 | nsadmin | so you're running the nvidia drivers now? |
| 02:23.44 | alex_____ | without checking if i had an nvidia card first |
| 02:23.48 | alex_____ | yeah |
| 02:23.52 | alex_____ | but it's not complete |
| 02:24.03 | alex_____ | some utilities from the official driver package are missing |
| 02:24.09 | alex_____ | i'm getting back to ubuntu |
| 02:24.14 | alex_____ | it's just more simple |
| 02:24.31 | nsadmin | in any case have fun |
| 02:24.33 | alex_____ | there's a package with both utilities and driver |
| 02:24.52 | alex_____ | the crash occurred when the console changed resolution |
| 02:24.53 | alex_____ | during boot |
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| 02:25.10 | alex_____ | it's weird 'cause it's not that new the gtx570 |
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| 02:29.37 | waltman | OK, the solution that "aptitude upgrade --full-resolver" seems a little less scary than the one that "aptitude full-upgrade" came up with. Trying again... |
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| 02:32.48 | mattalexx | In order to install the Amazon MP3 Downloader (created for Lenny) into Squeeze, I'm following this tutorial: http://speeves.erikin.com/2010/09/debian-squeeze-instlal-amazon-mp3.html |
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| 02:33.39 | mattalexx | It involves adding the lenny sources and updating, then installing dependencies. But I'm running into trouble. Some of my other packages (namely, autofs) want to downgrade to the Lenny version. What should I do about this? |
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| 02:38.59 | MSTRCNVS | is it a bad idea to mix ubuntu's lucid ppas into debian squeeze? |
| 02:39.14 | onezero | Can someone advise me on a 3ware sata raid card ? |
| 02:40.07 | onezero | Would like to know if a 3ware escalade 8506-8 sata raid card, will work in debian. Without having to do software /fake raid? |
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| 02:42.06 | nevyn | onezero: yes it will but why do you care. |
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| 02:42.49 | onezero | Cause im needing to find something that will work... i have a cheap sata raid card, but it will only work as software raid, which is not what im wanting |
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| 02:43.00 | nevyn | why not? |
| 02:43.37 | onezero | really prefer to no go that route, im currently using it, and its a headache |
| 02:43.57 | onezero | would really like the raid bios to setup the raid, not having to do it in linux |
| 02:43.59 | nevyn | onezero: you're using md? or using dmraid? or something else? |
| 02:44.01 | nevyn | oh. |
| 02:44.08 | onezero | md |
| 02:44.35 | onezero | just trying to find a card that will work, and wasn't sure if the 3ware would |
| 02:44.47 | onezero | or if it was just another fake raid device |
| 02:45.03 | nevyn | 3ware are real raid cards. |
| 02:45.12 | nevyn | I don't think they make any fakeraid stuff. |
| 02:45.29 | onezero | k, thanks... should i be able to use a, what is it, pci-e? in a regular pci slot? |
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| 02:46.47 | onezero | the longer pci slot... not the conventional |
| 02:47.08 | circa` | you need the performance boost? they are expensive |
| 02:47.19 | circa` | or can be |
| 02:47.36 | onezero | no i dont need it, im wanting to know if the longer card, will work in a normal pci slot |
| 02:47.45 | onezero | and just forfit the boost |
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| 02:49.47 | onezero | 64bit pci card, will it work in a 32bit slot? |
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| 02:50.14 | alex_____ | pci and pci-e are not compatible |
| 02:50.34 | onezero | not -e, i was wrong, its -x, the 64 bit card |
| 02:51.05 | nevyn | onezero: I have a friend who's using a pci-x card in a normal pci slot |
| 02:51.21 | onezero | thats what i was wondering... thank you very much nevyn |
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| 02:53.24 | dvs | stuffs a PCI card into a 1x PCIe slot |
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| 03:10.11 | Jimmy_Kash | hey how can you skip a checkdisk. If i ctrl+c it just asks for admin pass and then reboots automatically and does the same thing |
| 03:11.06 | spersaud | Jimmy_Kash: why would you do that ? |
| 03:11.19 | Jimmy_Kash | it is our server that people are waiting on for it to come back |
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| 03:11.52 | Jimmy_Kash | any ideas? |
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| 03:12.15 | Haris | Hello people, guys, folks, everyone, all |
| 03:12.19 | Jimmy_Kash | hello |
| 03:12.34 | Haris | does gettext and multibyte extensions come built-in into php5 on lenny (5.0.8) |
| 03:12.43 | Jimmy_Kash | and when I let it do a checkdisk it just sits there, and I dont know long it will be or if it is even doing anything |
| 03:12.49 | Haris | cause I don't see them in the aptitude search php5 listing |
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| 03:14.37 | ShinyDarkness | Hello. I used unetbootin to create a Debian installation USB drive, but when I use it on my PC, I always get a boot error. |
| 03:15.24 | somiaj | dont use unetbootin, the debian iso are hybrid |
| 03:16.27 | ShinyDarkness | I tried "cat image.iso > /dev/disk1" and "dd if=image.iso of=/dev/disk1" as well, and both fared even worse: the processes remained stuck forever. |
| 03:16.27 | somiaj | !usb install |
| 03:16.27 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 03:17.27 | somiaj | ShinyDarkness: what did you put as /dev/disk1 it should be something like /dev/sd? |
| 03:17.47 | Haris | what's the package name for php5 multi-byte extention ? |
| 03:17.50 | ShinyDarkness | I am on OS X, my USB drive's name is /dev/disk1. |
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| 03:18.13 | somiaj | Haris: use aptitude search, or packages.debian.org -- you can use aptitude show <package name> to get more deails on the package |
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| 03:18.47 | somiaj | ShinyDarkness: many macs require specail tools to boot from the usb disk. |
| 03:18.58 | somiaj | ShinyDarkness: you have an intel mac not a ppc right? |
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| 03:19.11 | ShinyDarkness | I have an Intel Mac, but I want to boot a PC from the USB. |
| 03:20.06 | somiaj | ShinyDarkness: http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple |
| 03:20.23 | somiaj | ShinyDarkness: look up how to boot from EFI |
| 03:20.29 | ShinyDarkness | somiaj: I do not want to install Debian on my Mac. |
| 03:21.03 | ShinyDarkness | somiaj: I want to install Debian on a regular PC, I am just trying to use my Mac to create the bootable USB key. |
| 03:22.06 | somiaj | I don't know osX enough to see why cat or dd isn't copying the image to your usb drive. |
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| 03:23.16 | ShinyDarkness | somiaj: No worries, thank you. |
| 03:23.25 | Haris | when I go through package list at -> http://packages.debian.org/lenny/web/, I can't help but notice that the list is incomplete i.e., half of the packages are not listed on this web-page |
| 03:23.38 | Haris | !search multi-byte |
| 03:23.50 | Haris | !search php5-multibyte |
| 03:23.55 | Haris | hmm |
| 03:24.00 | somiaj | Haris: 'aptitude search php5' would be my first start...though youll have to parse though a large list |
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| 03:24.05 | somiaj | don't use the bot to search. |
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| 03:24.40 | Haris | somiaj: Already done. Installed most of what I needed, except for this one module of php5 |
| 03:24.45 | Haris | i.e., multibyte |
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| 03:26.40 | somiaj | well my quick searchs return no multibyte packages. I didnt see anything defininte in google either. |
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| 03:29.07 | Haris | can't see a php5-mbstring module listed in aptitude search php5 listing |
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| 03:34.35 | Haris | How does one get/install the php5 mbstring mod ? |
| 03:34.42 | Haris | on lenny (5.0.8) |
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| 03:35.56 | waltman | Looks like my problem was that I had libjpeg62-dev, when I really needed libjpeg8-dev. Once I swapped that I was able to reinstall everything that got deleted during the upgrade. |
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| 03:49.00 | Haris | Can one install mysql version upwards of 5.0 on lenny (5.0.8) ? |
| 03:49.06 | Haris | through aptitude |
| 03:49.46 | yagoo | Haris, why not install the latest debian? |
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| 03:50.01 | Haris | because that's not what the box owner has given me |
| 03:50.11 | Haris | and that's not what 1and1 has given the box owner |
| 03:50.22 | Haris | at least for now |
| 03:50.23 | yagoo | Haris, nobody owns debian.. |
| 03:50.30 | yagoo | Haris, but the debian foundation.. |
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| 03:50.40 | yagoo | and everybody who volunteers to it.. |
| 03:50.56 | nevyn | yagoo: you mean SPI ? |
| 03:51.05 | yagoo | Haris, is this a paying service? this is a volunteer channel.. |
| 03:51.10 | nevyn | there is no debian foundation. |
| 03:51.17 | nevyn | afaik |
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| 03:51.46 | Haris | well, I'm limited by the version of debian I got on this box. It was not my choice. I was not asked. and I have to get this thing working on this box |
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| 03:52.19 | Haris | can I use some custom repo with lenny (5.0.8) which would have a later version of mysql ? |
| 03:52.25 | Haris | mysql-server that is |
| 03:53.03 | somiaj | use backports |
| 03:53.06 | yagoo | Haris, i believe so.. i can see that the latest is 5.6.3.. |
| 03:53.16 | Haris | backports, hmm |
| 03:53.43 | simonlnu | there is no debian foundation, only spi |
| 03:54.05 | yagoo | didnt like the word of "box owner" |
| 03:54.59 | yagoo | Haris, bpo is official.. you just have to add it to sources.list |
| 03:55.02 | yagoo | !bpo |
| 03:55.02 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <bdo key> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
| 03:55.08 | Haris | where's the sources.list file ? |
| 03:55.14 | Haris | in /etc ? |
| 03:55.24 | simonlnu | /etc/apt/... |
| 03:55.27 | Haris | ah |
| 03:55.32 | yagoo | Haris, so how much are you getting paid to do this? |
| 03:56.22 | Haris | I would like to keep that info for the moment. |
| 03:56.22 | i3luefire | <i3luefire> ok. i am having issues getting the transmission-daemon to keep its edited json settings file after a restart. i followed to seperate guides to set it up(http://1000umbrellas.com/2010/10/04/updated-transmission-installationconfiguration-on-ubuntu-server)and(https://trac.transmissionbt.com/wiki/EditConfigFiles) neither worked |
| 03:56.23 | i3luefire | <i3luefire> i am running ubuntu-server 11.10 |
| 03:56.39 | simonlnu | #ubuntu --> |
| 03:57.05 | Haris | I thought they shifted from /etc/apt to /etc/aptitude by now |
| 03:57.11 | yagoo | Haris, well i sure hope you do consider donating to open source projects .. sounds like you never used debian before considering you're asking about sources.list |
| 03:57.15 | simonlnu | why? |
| 03:57.26 | simonlnu | the backend isn't aptitude |
| 03:57.34 | Haris | I heard they were depricating apt in favour of aptitude years ago |
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| 03:57.43 | Haris | ah, ok |
| 03:57.48 | simonlnu | you heard wrong |
| 03:57.57 | yagoo | haha |
| 03:58.07 | yagoo | calls Nick Burns for grammar |
| 03:58.33 | dvs | then called Kelsey Grammer |
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| 04:00.22 | Haris | what's the difference between lenny-backports and lenny-backports-sloppy ? |
| 04:00.37 | Haris | are these the same or different repos' |
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| 04:01.58 | yagoo | Haris, let me bet you have no idea if upgrading that mysql will enforce you to update any databases.. you really aren't suited for doing any of this. |
| 04:02.27 | Haris | I do |
| 04:03.54 | Haris | ok, I'v got mysql-server5.1 in the search list now |
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| 04:04.11 | yagoo | Haris, and for what reason is an upgrade to mysql 5 necessary? Is there a functionality in 5 that's not in your current edition? |
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| 04:04.37 | Haris | I have no mysql version installed at the moment |
| 04:04.40 | yagoo | says there are folks who are still on apache 1.xx.. it if aint broke no point fixing it |
| 04:04.47 | Haris | I want to install mysql upwards of version 5.0 to begin wtih |
| 04:04.51 | Haris | with+ |
| 04:05.20 | yagoo | upwards.. can't you speak straight talk? |
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| 04:05.51 | Haris | Let me think of easier words to put my msg in |
| 04:06.03 | yagoo | obviously it sounded like you want to do an upgrade.. |
| 04:06.35 | Haris | Mysql GA 5.5.x is available |
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| 04:06.40 | yagoo | nways.. do what you want to do.. i dont care.. but uh.. i dont think you can handled any errors that can arise from all this.. |
| 04:06.51 | Haris | I don't want to install a "too old" version of mysql on this "newly built" box |
| 04:07.03 | SuperPhly | How do I upgrade a single package to wheezy (testing) and not my entire distro? |
| 04:07.16 | Haris | I want to install the latest version of mysql available in the repo |
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| 04:11.49 | SuperPhly | Anyone know how to upgrade a single package to wheezy and not have the entire distro upgrade? |
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| 04:11.58 | yagoo | SuperPhly, you can't |
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| 04:12.28 | yagoo | SuperPhly, least you can have is uh a hybrid-like system.. can't have 1 package taken out of another |
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| 04:16.01 | SuperPhly | yagoo: i realize that it's a sorta house of cards where everything fits together nicely based on dependencies and stuff. |
| 04:16.25 | SuperPhly | just thought that i may be able to sneak an advanced package in, if it didn't interrupt anything |
| 04:16.26 | Haris | oldstable |
| 04:16.59 | Haris | mysql-common [5.0.51a-24+lenny5 (oldstable, oldstable, now) -> 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1 (lenny-backports)] |
| 04:17.15 | Haris | score is 20 |
| 04:17.22 | Haris | is it feasible to upgrade |
| 04:17.29 | Haris | to 5.1.49 ? |
| 04:17.37 | Haris | pasting it |
| 04:17.50 | yagoo | Haris, now you're asking to upgrade.. you really are pissing me off |
| 04:18.07 | Haris | Let me explain |
| 04:18.08 | yagoo | Haris, so you are upgrading.. |
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| 04:18.37 | yagoo | Haris, how old are you? |
| 04:18.45 | Haris | Actually I'm installing from scratch. I'v installed apache 2.2.9 and php5. php5 must have installed mysql-common version that comes from default repos' |
| 04:18.59 | Haris | now I'v added backports to the repos' list |
| 04:19.03 | yagoo | Haris, you say one thing then you come around and say another.. you 12 ? |
| 04:19.11 | Haris | I'm 31 |
| 04:19.27 | Haris | when you say upgrading, I take it as upgrading the OS |
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| 04:19.32 | Haris | that is not what I'm doing |
| 04:19.38 | Haris | I'm installing stuff from scratch |
| 04:19.52 | yagoo | Haris, you're 12 |
| 04:19.57 | yagoo | Haris, get a friend to help you out |
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| 04:27.45 | Haris | I don't see / partition mentioned in /etc/fstab. Where is it mounting the / partition from on lenny (5.0.8) ? |
| 04:28.28 | Firztspawn | in fstab |
| 04:28.40 | Firztspawn | if its not there I have no idea what youre mounting |
| 04:29.08 | Haris | I only have /proc and /dev/pts mentioned in /etc/fstab |
| 04:29.25 | Haris | yet /dev/vzfs is mounted on / |
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| 04:29.59 | Firztspawn | errrr, you running livecd or something? |
| 04:30.18 | Haris | it seems this is a virtualized OS |
| 04:30.23 | Haris | a vm |
| 04:30.41 | Firztspawn | hmm then I have no idea sorry, never played with vm |
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| 04:30.56 | Firztspawn | I have always had a linux install proper |
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| 04:32.50 | pierre_ | This program is free --> http://pierregogni.textcashnetwork.com |
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| 04:36.20 | naptastic | Haris, You may be running a container on a Virtual Private Server. I hack on those for my job. What do you need? |
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| 04:37.53 | Haris | I'm setting this box up from scratch to install playsms on it |
| 04:38.14 | Haris | 1and1 didn't even make swap on this box when they built it :| |
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| 04:44.02 | xwalk | What's the pdf reader that ships with Squeeze? Using xmonad and xfe and I'm not sure what program to associate with my pdf files. |
| 04:44.29 | civillian | xwalk: I use evince |
| 04:45.21 | xwalk | Nice, thank you. |
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| 04:48.01 | Haris | this is new. I read that debian also creates files as swap, rather than partitions |
| 04:48.06 | Arrowmaster | xwalk: there is evince and evince-gtk too depending if you use gnome or not |
| 04:48.07 | Haris | just like Windows does ? |
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| 04:49.25 | pbase | exit |
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| 04:51.01 | xwalk | Arrowmaster: Are there major differences between the two? |
| 04:51.28 | Arrowmaster | i dont know, if you run gnome just install evince, if you dont install evince-gtk |
| 04:51.52 | Arrowmaster | if you use kde there is probably some other pdf viewer writtin in qt |
| 04:52.21 | xwalk | Using evince with xmonad seems to working fine. I have gnome installed since that's what I was using before I installed xmonad. |
| 04:52.33 | wooden | for lightweight pdf viewing, choose xpdf. |
| 04:52.52 | peterrooney | Haris, who's telling you this? |
| 04:52.58 | Arrowmaster | does that support all the fancy pdf features though? |
| 04:53.30 | peterrooney | Haris: it's possible, but the usual way is via swap partitions |
| 04:54.19 | NodeSurf | And technically that's not Debian specific |
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| 04:54.29 | wooden | Arrowmaster: I never met a PDF I couldn't read with it, but you'll have to try it and find out if it suits your needs. |
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| 05:05.54 | harsh343 | how to reset the password of mysql in debian remoter server |
| 05:05.55 | harsh343 | ? |
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| 05:07.02 | harsh343 | here is mysql on debian http://pastebin.com/KEVNy4iX |
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| 05:14.12 | Haris | Ok, apache, php, mysql, playsms is installed on the box |
| 05:14.14 | Haris | and working |
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| 05:17.02 | Haris | now for smstools3 |
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| 05:20.41 | Haris | what version of gcc should I install on lenny (5.0.8) ? |
| 05:21.05 | Haris | I have 3.4, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3 |
| 05:21.13 | Haris | 4.3 seems to be latest |
| 05:21.46 | luckz | http://pastebin.com/XhB25ycC I have a .. perl issue? I think? |
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| 05:28.43 | I_Died_Once | hey, i was in here a few days ago and someone gave me a piece of info i need again - i am about to reinstall debian to my system and i need to get a list of everything currently installed from dpkg |
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| 05:29.54 | dondelelcaro | !installed |
| 05:29.54 | dpkg | To list installed packages, dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; or aptitude search -F '%p' '~i'; or ask me about <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>. See also <installed test>. For one package, use "dpkg -l packagename" or "apt-cache policy packagename" or (from squeeze onwards) "aptitude versions packagename". |
| 05:31.59 | jesselang | Hi. The last dist-upgrade on wheezy brought an issue with my wireless connection. I get a log message that looks suspicious: wpa_supplicant: WPA: Group rekeying completed with <MAC_ADDRESS> |
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| 05:33.45 | Sakura | Anyone know where I could find a list of every kernel version *ever*? |
| 05:33.55 | jesselang | Anyone had similar issues? |
| 05:35.55 | Sakura | jesselang: The closest I had was with a Ralink wireless dongle that stopped working after a kernel switch because the staging driver (that worked) was removed in favour of the 'normal' driver which didn't. |
| 05:36.23 | caravel | Sakura: kernel.org ? |
| 05:36.57 | jesselang | Sakura, there was a kernel upgrade to 3.1. I use iwlagn driver, which I thought was fairly stable. |
| 05:38.01 | Sakura | jesselang: The device I used worked well with the rt2870sta driver, and not so well with the rt2800usb driver. As I said 'closest'. |
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| 05:42.54 | Sakura | caravel: I'm pretty sure I already skimmed there for what I wanted. Couldn't find it. |
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| 05:43.53 | Sakura | Ideally what I'm looking for is a simple list from 0.01 to current of every version of the kernel ever to exist. |
| 05:44.08 | Haris | done |
| 05:44.12 | Haris | My work is complete |
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| 05:44.48 | Haris | Thank you people/folks/guys/all for bearing with me |
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| 05:47.29 | Sakura | (Oh well, may as well finish the Proof Of Concept before I add a List For Absurdity). |
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| 06:24.31 | tmm1 | is there a way to get `apt-get install` to print out all the urls for debs it would like to download, rather than download/install them |
| 06:26.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | iirc yes, but i don't remmeber what it is (might actually be a dpkg feature too) |
| 06:26.47 | clone_of_saturn | tmm1: apt-get --print-uris install <pkg> |
| 06:27.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | clone_of_saturn: ++ |
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| 06:31.05 | en1gma | i just installed debian without a net connection.....but i now have a net connection but debian inst detecting it...since i didnt configure network during the install is there a command to re-run it |
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| 06:31.26 | en1gma | squeeze i386 |
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| 06:37.21 | en1gma | am i in a netsplit or something? |
| 06:37.36 | arj1singh | . |
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| 06:38.14 | en1gma | wow...no one is actually talking |
| 06:41.45 | en1gma | i could really use some help (i can not get debian on net and update) |
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| 06:42.00 | tmm1 | clone_of_saturn: sweet, thanks! |
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| 06:52.26 | ShinyDarkness | Hello. How do I register myself as a sudo'er? |
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| 06:53.00 | blackshirt | ShinyDarkness |
| 06:53.01 | blackshirt | : |
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| 06:53.27 | ShinyDarkness | blackshirt: ? |
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| 07:02.06 | tmm1 | ShinyDarkness: add yourself to the admin group |
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| 07:03.04 | ShinyDarkness | tmm1: How do I do that? |
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| 07:06.30 | arj1singh | ShinyDarkness, use: sudo visudo |
| 07:06.30 | walle | which way is the best for installing texlive? |
| 07:06.40 | walle | TUG iso or apt-get? |
| 07:06.56 | arj1singh | to see you have a line %sudo ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 07:07.06 | ShinyDarkness | Is there any way I could tell "dpkg" to retrieve ONLY the names of the packages? |
| 07:07.08 | arj1singh | *su visudo |
| 07:07.22 | walle | anyone can help me? |
| 07:07.23 | ShinyDarkness | I would like to remove all packages containing "openoffice.org". |
| 07:07.28 | arj1singh | or else login with root |
| 07:07.44 | ShinyDarkness | arj1singh: I am using "su -", thanks, anyway. |
| 07:08.11 | arj1singh | then add user to group sudo. |
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| 07:09.19 | boudiccas | walle; are you in china? |
| 07:09.27 | walle | boudiccas: yes |
| 07:09.31 | walle | boudiccas: :-) |
| 07:09.37 | boudiccas | walle; `can i pm you please? |
| 07:10.20 | walle | boudiccas: I have not recv you freegate package now... so ... it's may be filter by GFW!! |
| 07:10.28 | walle | boudiccas: what's wrong? |
| 07:10.35 | boudiccas | walle; its about that program and email |
| 07:10.50 | walle | boudiccas: anything can i help you? |
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| 07:11.39 | boudiccas | k, i emailed it to you but gmail bounced it back to me saying that as part of their program they do not allow exe, or zips comtaining exe programs through |
| 07:12.09 | boudiccas | walle; http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=6590 refers |
| 07:12.12 | walle | bug repot: debian wheezy netinst.iso when installing, it not work with keyboard & mouse, also, it can not auto connect to dhcp network.. |
| 07:12.55 | boudiccas | walle; if you have a yahoo account then we could try that, its up to you |
| 07:13.07 | darius_w | hi, i'm currently installing squeeze to a disk with RAID1, setup fails to install grub, lilo allso fails. can I try something from terminal to see why is it fails? setup says grub-install /dev/sda failed, in terminal there is only grub-installer comman... |
| 07:13.16 | walle | boudiccas: yes, may be you need to rename the file as txt, then i rename it back. or you can tar the file. |
| 07:13.18 | arj1singh | boudiccas, you can encrypt files and send in email. |
| 07:13.41 | boudiccas | arj1singh; its already zipped |
| 07:14.01 | walle | boudiccas: ok, thanks, now i not need that program... so ... i give up to GFW... I want to hack it. |
| 07:14.02 | arj1singh | boudiccas, no zip. Use password in zip. |
| 07:14.40 | boudiccas | arj1singh; it is zipped by the original source |
| 07:15.03 | walle | boudiccas: bug repot: debian wheezy netinst.iso when installing, it not work with keyboard & mouse, also, it can not auto connect to dhcp network.. |
| 07:15.21 | boudiccas | walle; oops! |
| 07:16.08 | walle | boudiccas: alfter the netinst.iso boot from usb, it like dead, keyboard & mouse no response, only show a wellcome interface |
| 07:16.38 | boudiccas | walle; why are you showing me a bug report? enter it in the bugzilla |
| 07:16.40 | walle | boudiccas: but some day ago, i have install wheezy from the same way, it's work fine... |
| 07:16.57 | walle | boudiccas: ...i don't know how to use it... |
| 07:17.20 | walle | boudiccas: so, may be here have some debian mantainer can see this bug |
| 07:17.31 | boudiccas | walle; well its no good to/for me as i only use stable/squeeze |
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| 07:18.06 | walle | boudiccas: i think you may be a system administrator |
| 07:18.22 | boudiccas | walle; no, i'm just a domestic user |
| 07:19.12 | walle | boudiccas: oh... god... |
| 07:20.06 | walle | boudiccas: i have used gnome3, it's good for me, so i want to use it. but debian stable doesn't have that.. |
| 07:20.33 | walle | boudiccas: so, i use testing, but now it's does not work. |
| 07:23.16 | sauvin | Let's just suggest that gnome3 is a work in progress. |
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| 07:24.46 | boudiccas | walle; i've renamed it to a txt file and sent it your gmail account, so we'll see if that gets through |
| 07:24.59 | skilz | Anyone know a program where you can enter random letters like 'aebdmoil' and it randomly generates words with the letters? |
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| 07:26.19 | sauvin | skilz, you want an anagram generator? |
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| 07:31.24 | qwert | hellos, has anyone tried fullsystem encryption here? (if so, any major complications after the install tricks? password prompt comes in time on boot?) |
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| 07:39.18 | qwert3123 | I just want an stable linux distro that I supports encryption and have wide enough repos |
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| 07:40.54 | qwert3123 | all disros are either focused on crazybleedingedgelunacy or conservative-crippled server distros, there are no distros that are good for workstations, Debian is closest... except for the sys encryption |
| 07:41.09 | qwert3123 | so if I could get it to work I would be happiest |
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| 07:46.43 | mindbender | I just removed some old linux headers from my system and aptitude is advising that I nay need to rerun my boot loader.. how do I do that as I don't want to end up with an unbootable system? |
| 07:46.59 | simonlnu | update-grub |
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| 07:49.09 | mindbender | simonlnu: it says grub-mkconfig: not found |
| 07:50.11 | ShinyDarkness | Hello. What are the OpenSSL development packages? |
| 07:50.14 | xand | qwert3123: the installer will setup LVM encryption if that's what you mean |
| 07:51.34 | qwert3123 | xand: only in automated partitioning and it wipes drives I dont want wiped |
| 07:51.50 | qwert3123 | followed the howtos you get with google but they failed |
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| 07:52.20 | qwert3123 | mindbender: apt-get search grub | less |
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| 07:53.07 | mindbender | qwert3123: thanks I had to add grub-mkconfig path to classpath and rerun as root |
| 07:55.49 | qwert3123 | think I will setup an rhel kvm and debian on it |
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| 07:56.04 | qwert3123 | didnt want to cause it feels like too much work but oh well |
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| 08:10.28 | ShinyDarkness | Hello. I want to enable file sharing between OS X and Debian, preferably without using Samba. How do I do that? |
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| 08:11.00 | quop | ShinyDarkness: use NFS |
| 08:11.08 | quop | native in both |
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| 08:11.20 | ShinyDarkness | quop: How do I do that? :O |
| 08:11.25 | quop | or you can also use zeroconf for something easygoing |
| 08:11.49 | quop | ShinyDarkness: google "nfs setup debian " |
| 08:11.57 | ShinyDarkness | quop: Okay. |
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| 08:18.41 | I_Died_Once | quick question, i am trying to unmount a device... keeps saying its busy |
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| 08:18.56 | I_Died_Once | umount.nfs: /w3502: device is busy |
| 08:20.08 | AimHere | I_Died_Once, I try to find out what process is still using the device using lsof and grep and then getting rid of that process somehow |
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| 08:20.25 | AimHere | There might be a more sensible way of doing it, I find there usually is these days |
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| 08:22.01 | I_Died_Once | yeah i am not sure what program is using the device |
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| 08:22.05 | I_Died_Once | its an nfs share |
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| 08:24.30 | quop | AimHere: lsof | grep <device> |
| 08:25.21 | AimHere | quop, Yeah, or lsof | grep <mountpoint> |
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| 09:09.05 | icedwater | Guys, I'm having problems logging in - login screen loads fine but keyboard/touchpad don't respond so I can't even click on my username. |
| 09:10.19 | icedwater | I thought it was a udevd issue, since I'd noticed a second udevd trying to start and failing, but it seems I don't have issues similar to http://linux.koolsolutions.com/2009/07/28/tip-resolving-udev-startup-error-messages-on-debian/ |
| 09:10.42 | icedwater | Any idea what I can do to diagnose the problem? |
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| 09:23.00 | ShinyDarkness | I would like to remotely control my Debian PC from my MacBook using VNC. On Debian, I have installed "tightvncserver" and run "tightvncserver :0". However, on OS X, when I use Screen Sharing, all I see is a gray window. |
| 09:23.05 | ShinyDarkness | What have I missed? |
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| 09:47.42 | oskie | I'm making a simple package that installs a few files to /usr/lib/nagios/plugins using debhelper, but I can't figure out how to make dh copy files from the sourcedir to that dir. Any suggestions? |
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| 09:48.53 | ShinyDarkness | I have installed samba on my Debian PC, and now I can see shared files from other computers on Debian, but cannot see shared files from Debian on other computers. How do I enable others to see my shared files? |
| 09:50.01 | hellekin | oskie: did you try dh_install (1) ? |
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| 09:50.29 | petemc | ShinyDarkness: do you have browseable = yes in the share definition? |
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| 09:51.23 | ShinyDarkness | petemc: Where do I check that? I thought my Public folder should be visible from other computers by default. |
| 09:51.45 | petemc | in the samba config file... |
| 09:51.56 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:52.11 | ShinyDarkness | petemc: Wait, let me see. |
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| 09:53.24 | ShinyDarkness | petemc: Nope. browseable = no. Can I just change it to yes or do I have to restart something after that? |
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| 09:53.56 | Marian | are there no (gpg) signatures of the weekly d-i builds? |
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| 10:02.13 | simonlnu | no, checksums, and the repo is signed, plus the team/maintainer sig upon upload (in the .dsc) |
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| 10:13.47 | Daemonax | How on earth do you make a bootable usb drive with the hybrid live iso? sudo cat debian.iso > /dev/sdd1 just gives me permission denied. |
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| 10:17.58 | tmm1 | i dunno if you can copy the iso onto the device like that, but the perm error will go away if you do it as root |
| 10:18.09 | tmm1 | or sudo su -c 'cat file.iso > /dev/sdd1' |
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| 10:18.40 | Ticho | i'd use dd instead of cat |
| 10:19.24 | ksk | Daemonax: you are root? /dev/sdd1 is the device? you sure the debian faq doesnt say sth about "sdd" -without the "1"? |
| 10:19.52 | Daemonax | ksk: I'd tried that, guess I can try as root, just trying dd. |
| 10:20.05 | Daemonax | Will see if that works first. |
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| 10:21.31 | Ticho | and ksk is correct - sdd1 is just the first partition of the drive |
| 10:22.39 | ksk | tell Daemonax about usb install |
| 10:22.43 | ksk | dpkg tell Daemonax about usb install |
| 10:22.46 | ksk | not? :( |
| 10:22.57 | ksk | ah, did. thx |
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| 10:28.27 | babilen | ksk: You were missing ! in your first command (as in "!tell foo [-]about bar") |
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| 10:29.45 | ksk | ke, thx |
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| 10:32.09 | moskvat | hi, where I get the complete manual in pdf debian |
| 10:33.15 | babilen | moskvat: You mean the debian reference? |
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| 10:34.40 | moskvat | babilen, yes or book too. |
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| 10:34.58 | moskvat | administration guide babilen |
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| 10:36.55 | ShinyDarkness | How do I enable autologin in Debian? |
| 10:37.07 | babilen | moskvat: You can get the reference in the "debian-reference" package (there are packages for different languages), there is also http://debiansystem.info and http://www.ulule.com/debian-handbook (which is currently being written) -- Apart from that you can find a plethora of documentation on http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
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| 10:37.27 | fitzdsl | Hello everybody |
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| 10:38.04 | moskvat | babilen, ok, thanks |
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| 10:38.46 | senorpedro | hi |
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| 10:39.20 | fitzdsl | I'm trying to repackage openldap from scratch but keeping official libpam-ldap from squeeze. I get an error about overwriting /etc/ldap/ldap.conf so I added in my openldap package control Replaces et Breaks directives but it keep complaining about overwriting |
| 10:39.30 | fitzdsl | any idea where that could come from ? |
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| 10:40.14 | fitzdsl | my control : http://pastebin.com/bytcxYC4 |
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| 10:40.38 | senorpedro | i have a problem: there is 1 website that i cant access from my computer, the page loads very long and gives me a connection error. but from other computers this site is accessible with no problems. also i have no problem connecting to other websites |
| 10:40.45 | fitzdsl | if I use --force-overwrite, it's working fine |
| 10:40.50 | senorpedro | how can i debug this? |
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| 10:43.23 | fitzdsl | I meant libldap not libpam-ldap |
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| 10:46.02 | CuteAlien | Hi. Recently it seems my font-settings in Gnome get messed up on nearly every dist-upgrade (happened 3 times now in last 2 months). Anyone got an idea what could be causing that? |
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| 10:47.52 | skilz | How do I permanently disable caps lock and num lock? |
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| 10:48.17 | hellekin | skilz: using xmodmap. |
| 10:48.46 | nameless` | skilz: héhé, i did that as well, useless key for sure |
| 10:49.03 | hellekin | skilz: e.g. echo 'clear Lock' >> ~/.xmodmaprc |
| 10:49.39 | hellekin | I use Caps_Lock as Control as well. |
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| 10:50.26 | nameless` | the only trouble with disabling caps lock is that i can't do this kind of letter anymore (É È À) |
| 10:51.25 | hellekin | nameless`: bindkey :) |
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| 10:52.33 | nameless` | hellekin: oh yeah that's right ! |
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| 10:58.40 | bsec_ | How to install Chinese fonts on debian? |
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| 10:59.44 | babilen | bsec_: Good chinese fonts are in the ttf-arphic-{ukai,uming} and ttf-wqy-{microhei,zenhei} packages. |
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| 11:00.04 | kontinuity | hey all |
| 11:00.19 | kontinuity | I would like to find out the build params for the python package that debian uses |
| 11:00.22 | babilen | bsec_: You might also want to install xfonts-intl-chinese |
| 11:00.33 | kontinuity | so when I get python from apt-get, what flags were used to build it |
| 11:00.48 | bsec_ | sudo apt-get install tty-wqy? |
| 11:01.21 | babilen | kontinuity: "apt-get source PKG" and take a look at "debian/rules" -- You can also look at the VCS directly: http://alioth.debian.org/scm/loggerhead/pkg-python/python-defaults-debian/files |
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| 11:02.04 | kontinuity | babilen: awesome! thanks |
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| 11:02.25 | babilen | bsec_: Yes, you can install those packages with apt-get, aptitude or another package manager of your choice. To install the "ttf-arphic-ukai" package you would use a command like "apt-get install ttf-arphic-ukai" |
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| 11:03.24 | babilen | kontinuity: If you have devscripts installed you can also run "debcheckout python" and it will clone/checkout/bazaar-term-for-this the appropriate repository. |
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| 11:04.12 | kontinuity | babilen: the thing is I wanna build python 2.7 with the same rules, getting it from testing causes libc6 to upgrade |
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| 11:04.25 | kontinuity | babilen: whats the best way to go about it? |
| 11:05.08 | nkuttler | !tell kontinuity about ssbp |
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| 11:05.33 | nkuttler | oh yeah, i'd guess there's already a backport for that |
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| 11:06.06 | babilen | kontinuity: Yeah, that is most likely due to the multiarch transition. (cf. http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch) -- I would personally recommend not to tinker with the Debian packages, but install python2.7 yourself to /usr/local (stow makes this easier), remove /usr/local/bin/python (as it would shadow the system's /usr/bin/python) and handle module installations with virtualenv's and pip |
| 11:06.23 | mmv | stow is great. |
| 11:06.42 | kontinuity | after installing to /usr/local can I use alternatives/ |
| 11:06.43 | kontinuity | ? |
| 11:06.45 | ShinyDarkness | Hello. I am trying to set up a monitorless Debian server, which I will connect to via VNC whenever I want to use it. I enabled autologin on Debian. However, when I try to connect to it from my VNC client, Debian asks me for my password anyway. |
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| 11:07.12 | bsec_ | how to set my account into sudoers ? |
| 11:07.22 | babilen | kontinuity: You *do not* want to change the default Python versions as this might break unrelated things |
| 11:07.23 | bsec_ | : ( |
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| 11:07.25 | ShinyDarkness | How do I tell Debian never to ask me for my password after I log in? |
| 11:07.30 | nkuttler | bsec_: man visudo |
| 11:08.28 | nkuttler | bsec_: actually, man 5 sudoers |
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| 11:09.04 | babilen | bsec_: I would recommend to add your user to the "sudo" group with "adduser YOURUSER sudo" if you don't need any fancy sudo configuration. |
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| 11:09.58 | babilen | bsec_: It is equivalent to "YOURUSER ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL" in /etc/sudoers |
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| 11:11.10 | tawta | how do vlans work? i just added a port to a vlan, do i have to somehow point the vlan to a subnet/gateway? (the rest of the vlans work great on the switch) |
| 11:12.09 | nameless` | tawta: what do you mean by how it works ? |
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| 11:13.14 | tawta | nameless`: i said that because i am unsure if i am doing the correct thing; when i write vlan show i see the name the ports etc, but nothing about what subnet it belongs to. so i was thinking maybe i might have missunderstood how they work |
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| 11:13.44 | nameless` | tawta: vlan is layer 2 (ethernet), subnet is layer 3 (ip) |
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| 11:14.03 | nameless` | tawta: |
| 11:14.06 | nameless` | ops |
| 11:14.18 | ShinyDarkness | How do I disable the "password keyring" feature? |
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| 11:20.32 | tawta | nameless`: so lets say i have a server 192.168.1.1 and i connect it to a switch on port 35. that switch has a vlan 102, that vlan has a tagged port 35. what mroe do i need to do to get this to work? |
| 11:20.45 | tawta | *untagged |
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| 11:31.19 | McLin | Hi, need quick help, if I running an php script as root which uses posix_setuid it will ignored and runs as root not as www-data, but on NFS server all is fine. My new Mountpoint is mount with fuse because I use GlusterFS. Is there any what you know about this problem? |
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| 11:35.51 | guardian | hi |
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| 11:35.58 | guardian | would you recommend duplicity for backups? |
| 11:36.26 | nkuttler | guardian: i like backuppc |
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| 11:38.19 | guardian | nkuttler: do you know whether it supports volume shadow copy for windows? |
| 11:38.53 | nkuttler | guardian: no idea what that is. there's #backuppc as well |
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| 11:39.09 | guardian | ok thx |
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| 11:42.27 | icedwater | nsadmin: Hi, you were right with your hunch. A USB mouse did connect nicely, and I believe a USB keyboard should work too. I noticed some failure to initialise a Synaptics touchpad in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 11:44.09 | sylar_ | yo |
| 11:44.21 | sylar_ | yo |
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| 11:47.19 | mosno | gnome-terminal wasn't removed when i removed gnome, because xorg depeended on gnome-terminal OR xterm. is there a way to make apt/aptitude smart enough to see that i have xterm installed, thus remove gnome-terminal when i remove gnome? |
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| 11:47.59 | icedwater | In addition, I can't seem to run System/Administration/Services at all. "The configuration could not be loaded/An unknown error occurred." |
| 11:48.02 | mosno | ie. it recognises that gnome-terminal is an auto-dep of gnome, and xterm will suffice to satisfy xorg |
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| 11:48.52 | icedwater | sylar_: Have a question? Just ask :) |
| 11:49.04 | ompaul | mosno: if it is as described, then that's a packaging bug, the best bugs get reported! ;-) |
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| 11:49.59 | mosno | ompaul: i wouldn't know where to begin reporting that... aptitude? |
| 11:50.02 | ompaul | mosno: what version |
| 11:50.05 | ompaul | no |
| 11:50.15 | ompaul | its a bug with the gterminal package ... |
| 11:50.21 | ompaul | mosno: what version of debian |
| 11:50.22 | mosno | note that i'm in the process of manually ripping everything out |
| 11:50.26 | mosno | ompaul: sid |
| 11:50.42 | mosno | ompaul: how is it gnome-terminal's fault? |
| 11:50.48 | ompaul | mosno: that should show up in apt-cache depends apt-get rdepends |
| 11:50.57 | ompaul | and interestingly it does not appear to in my sid |
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| 11:51.52 | mosno | ompaul: both xterm and gnome-terminal provide x-terminal-emulator... |
| 11:52.07 | mosno | ompaul: xorg depends on x-terminal-emulator |
| 11:52.14 | mosno | ompaul: i had two instances of that installed |
| 11:52.43 | nkuttler | !remove gnome |
| 11:52.43 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
| 11:52.44 | mosno | ompaul: and aptitude wasn't "smart enough" to remove one instance when i removed gnome |
| 11:53.00 | mosno | nkuttler: it's 3.x :) |
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| 11:53.17 | ompaul | mosno: why aptitude when you are running sid just curious there is a delta between it and apt-get |
| 11:53.30 | mosno | ompaul: i generally just use aptitude |
| 11:53.48 | mosno | ompaul: what delta? |
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| 11:54.10 | ompaul | aptitude tries to solve deps which is not something I would like a SID box to do |
| 11:55.05 | mosno | ompaul: so does apt... i don't see your point, sorry |
| 11:55.47 | ompaul | mosno: fine, see what nkuttler said and use purge |
| 11:56.05 | mosno | ompaul: that factoid deals with gnome 2.x, not 3.x |
| 11:56.24 | nkuttler | mosno: you also use sid and should be able to adapt that to your needs |
| 11:56.29 | mosno | ompaul: i'm doing fine just manually removing it... i was just wondering why aptitude chose to keep gnome-terminal when xterm provided the virt |
| 11:56.41 | mosno | nkuttler: true... |
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| 11:57.26 | mosno | all i had to do was remove the immediate dependencies of gnome, and everything else cascaded due to the auto-deps |
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| 11:58.29 | mosno | oh, and a few rm -r /foo on non-empty dirs :) |
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| 11:59.59 | mosno | hmm, maybe not |
| 12:00.01 | mosno | adapts factoid |
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| 12:03.52 | fbh | Anyone knows where I can find info on running a private repository from a non-debian server? (So I can't install e.g. reporepo) |
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| 12:10.07 | ompaul | !tell fbh about reprepro |
| 12:11.07 | fbh | ompaul: with "so I can't install e.g. reporepo" i meant, that I want to make one WITHOUT it. it is to be hosted on a Solaris server. |
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| 12:11.12 | babilen | fbh: http://mirrorer.alioth.debian.org/ → Look at the Source → alioth's download-page for reprepro |
| 12:11.32 | babilen | !tell fbh -about own repo |
| 12:11.54 | jelly | when aptitude full-upgrade says "0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.", how do I see which packages are "not upgraded" and why. |
| 12:12.03 | babilen | fbh: That *might* be an alternative ... You could also create the repo on a Debian box and host it whereever you want |
| 12:12.37 | fbh | I will look into |
| 12:12.38 | fbh | it |
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| 12:13.07 | babilen | jelly: "aptitude search ~U" should list them -- as to why they are not upgraded ?-) -- full-upgrade should get them, but try to upgrade them explicitly with "aptitude install" and check hold/pin |
| 12:13.34 | jelly | I want it to tell me something is held or pinned. ;-) |
| 12:14.13 | jelly | (and indeed aptitude search shows the held status) |
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| 12:16.21 | jelly | one dealt with, now I have "0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded." and ~U shows nothing |
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| 12:19.25 | joelio | Is there an issue with DHCP on the debian installer (daily release)? I can PXE boot to get the image, so I know DHCP is working (has been for years!), except with the current installer, I get DHCP failures. Works fine by manually setting IP |
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| 12:20.31 | ompaul | joelio: I've not had issues with dhcp on any installs recently |
| 12:21.45 | babilen | joelio: .. you might have discovered a bug though. |
| 12:23.04 | joelio | babilen: Think I have tbh, tried with different hardware that was working fine with a wheezy netinst from about 3 months ago |
| 12:23.34 | jelly | joelio: daily d-i development images are known to have problems. There's a whole channel for the installer, #debian-boot on irc.debian.org (= irc.oftc.net) |
| 12:23.36 | babilen | joelio: Why are you using a development version of d-i anyway? |
| 12:23.54 | joelio | babilen: The wheezy netinst installs squeeze |
| 12:24.02 | joelio | spoke about this last week :) |
| 12:24.08 | jelly | presumably to find bugs in it and fix it before wheezy, what else |
| 12:24.16 | babilen | +1 |
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| 12:24.40 | babilen | joelio: And I guess that I recommended to use the stable d-i back then?! |
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| 12:25.02 | joelio | I used the link you sent me, so yes I think so |
| 12:25.14 | jelly | joelio: you ARE aware that testing installer is meant to TEST the INSTALLER, and not to be used as an installer for the "testing" release |
| 12:25.34 | jelly | right? |
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| 12:26.04 | joelio | jelly: I just need pxe images to bootstrap a wheezy install |
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| 12:26.14 | joelio | if you could point me to the stable ones, I'll give it a go |
| 12:26.46 | jelly | !d-i |
| 12:26.46 | dpkg | 6.0 squeeze is now the "stable" Debian release (Feb 06, 2011). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . If you want to make custom install CDs, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net. See also <errata>, <g-i>. |
| 12:26.51 | babilen | joelio: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ ← stable d-i |
| 12:27.16 | joelio | "To install Debian 6.0.3 (squeeze), download any of the following images: " |
| 12:27.21 | joelio | not wheezy? |
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| 12:27.56 | karlp | who should I be trying to contact about "ite.net/pk/deb/ pagekite/main Translation-en |
| 12:28.08 | babilen | joelio: You can install wheezy with the stable d-i in expert mode ... I can't tell you all the steps though |
| 12:28.20 | karlp | doh, who shoudl I be trying to contact about "Release file expired" on ftp.is.debian.org ? |
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| 12:30.12 | joelio | babilen: I'm using a preseed file for automation though |
| 12:30.16 | jelly | karlp: typically if you log in to an ftp server manually with a ftp client, there's a MOTD message shown. It often contains contact information. |
| 12:30.39 | karlp | heh, actual ftp, haven't done that in a while :) |
| 12:30.57 | karlp | yeah, 421 service not available anyway. |
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| 12:31.38 | ShinyDarkness | Is it possible to remove or disable gnome-keyring without removing gnome-desktop-environment? |
| 12:32.00 | DimmuR | I have one server with 2 network cards in 192.168.44.0/24 and 192.168.45.0/24 when i ifup both cards i get two gateways 0.0.0.0 and server is unreachable (with one UG) - how can i make this server be accessible from both networks? |
| 12:32.18 | babilen | joelio: See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apbs04.html.en#preseed-mirror → #d-i mirror/suite string testing |
| 12:32.19 | jelly | karlp: oh. You might file a bug report on virtual package "mirrors". |
| 12:33.27 | joelio | babilen: Ahh, excellent! |
| 12:33.40 | babilen | :) |
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| 12:45.40 | _KaszpiR_ | hey |
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| 12:55.13 | joelio | babilen: I owe you a beverage! Thanks |
| 12:55.30 | ShinyDarkness | Hello. How do I disable gnome-keyring? |
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| 13:01.03 | babilen | joelio: Great! It is unfortunately a common misconception that you need to use the development version of d-i to install the testing or unstable suite. Glad that we finally clarified that :) |
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| 13:02.19 | ksk | hey |
| 13:02.36 | ksk | do you guys know if theres a way to get the amazon mp3downloader to work with 64bit debian? |
| 13:02.56 | joelio | babilen: Another thing that got me was that I'd assumed the testing flag was already in the preseed config, yet when I checked it wasn't. schoolboy mistake, mea culpa! :) |
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| 13:13.39 | Daemonax | I still can't seem to get the live iso to work off of my usb stick... I've tried cat debian.iso > /dev/sdb I'm tried using dd, I've tried using the .img file instead... |
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| 13:14.28 | Daemonax | it loads grub where I can select live, live (failsafe), install, etc etc.... But when I select one it says there is a problem with the kernel. |
| 13:14.32 | ompaul | Daemonax: if you can't boot try messing with the bios - img files are not your friend |
| 13:15.03 | colo-work | ompaul, he should be past the realm of BIOS problems once the bootloader displays its menu, though ;) |
| 13:15.21 | Daemonax | Hey ompaul, are you still working on gnewsense? |
| 13:15.40 | ompaul | not in anything close to an active way |
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| 13:16.38 | Daemonax | Ahh... I thought it was switching over to a Debian base... I've been using Trisquel which is nice, but it seems like debian will be fine. Though some people are still too perfectionist to use it. |
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| 13:17.28 | ompaul | and so it will proceed |
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| 13:18.16 | xp | is there any thinkpad forum on freenode? |
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| 13:18.39 | jelly | !thinkpad |
| 13:18.39 | dpkg | [thinkpad] one of the best laptops you can buy, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman. Some models restrict MiniPCI card use, see http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_unauthorized_MiniPCI_network_card . See also <gobi>, <hdapsd>, <martian>, <mwavem>, <slmodem>, <synaptics>, <tpb>, <trackpoint>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad http://www.thinkwiki.org/ ##ibmthinkpad on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 13:19.19 | jelly | xp: I'm assuming you mean an irc channel. ^^ says ##ibmthinkpad |
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| 13:19.31 | Gottflood | Ar. |
| 13:19.42 | Gottflood | Ar. |
| 13:19.51 | xp | jelly: thank you so much |
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| 13:23.17 | Gottflood | Ok. |
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| 13:26.47 | SeySayux | Hey, are there any other places than /etc/cron* where cron stores stuff? I keep getting mail from a cronjob I can't find anywhere. |
| 13:27.45 | jww | SeySayux: user can have crontabs too. |
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| 13:28.08 | SeySayux | jww: hmm, lemme check that... |
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| 13:28.43 | jww | SeySayux: I believe those are located in /var/spool/cron |
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| 13:30.05 | SeySayux | Hmm, it says "do not edit this file, edit the master and reinstall" |
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| 13:30.45 | SeySayux | It should be safe to remove those though, I believe they're installed with the crontab command, no? |
| 13:30.46 | digdilem_ | SeySayux, su to that user and "crontab -e" |
| 13:31.52 | SeySayux | digdilem_: Okay, thanks :) |
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| 13:33.07 | colo-work | the `crontab` has an option to edit a given user's crontab built-in |
| 13:33.12 | colo-work | no need for su'ing around |
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| 13:33.45 | digdilem_ | as always, there is more than one way to do something |
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| 13:34.24 | SeySayux | colo-work: Yup, I found that :) |
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| 13:34.58 | SeySayux | Debian uses anacron, right? |
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| 13:35.48 | babilen | SeySayux: It is installed as part of the laptop task, as it is not necessarily needed on other machines (in particular those that run 24/7) |
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| 13:36.20 | rozie | SeySayux: no by default |
| 13:36.36 | SeySayux | Hmm, okay |
| 13:37.09 | SeySayux | Then which implementation is it? |
| 13:37.28 | SeySayux | DPKG doesn't mention anything... |
| 13:37.29 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, SeySayux |
| 13:37.41 | SeySayux | lol |
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| 13:40.26 | SeySayux | Hmm, Vixie Cron apparently, as I suspected. |
| 13:41.23 | jelly | vixie with a decade and half of patches, yes |
| 13:42.22 | jelly | SeySayux: anacron is not a cron replacement, just an addition |
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| 13:43.53 | sedulous | What's the meaning of "60" in the "~bpo60" suffix of backported packages? |
| 13:44.03 | sedulous | 6.0 for Squeeze? |
| 13:44.09 | babilen | sedulous: yes |
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| 13:48.18 | Jester_ | Hey all |
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| 14:09.52 | Jester_ | hey guys... anyone using xfce? |
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| 14:10.46 | babilen | Jester_: I think it is save to assume that you are not the only one. Better ask your real question :) |
| 14:11.16 | Jester_ | :) just wondering if there is a CPU and memory usage widget that anyone could recommend? |
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| 14:13.30 | raven | ssmtp hangs up without message, without ctrl-c option and does not send any mails - config file written and confirmed - any ideas? |
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| 14:15.35 | raven | ssmtp hangs up without message, without ctrl-c option and does not send any mails - config file written and confirmed - any ideas? |
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| 14:20.29 | zerobyte | back! |
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| 14:22.49 | soDeq05 | !list |
| 14:22.50 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 14:23.39 | jelly | Jester_: heh. I'm using old xosview wrapped in gnome_swallow wrapped in XfApplet |
| 14:24.13 | jelly | it's still more usable and pixel efficient than native xfce applets I've seen |
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| 14:24.36 | jelly | and wmnd for network traffic |
| 14:24.36 | Jester_ | oooh thats an interesting concept! |
| 14:24.54 | jelly | makes any old wmaker/afterstep applet usable |
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| 14:27.37 | raven | how to give tools to users that are installed but "not found" on that user (only root can open them)? |
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| 14:29.00 | sylecn | raven: use full path to the program or edit PATH to include /sbin/, /usr/sbin/ etc? |
| 14:29.07 | robo | hello: i need to install a php pecl extension and found a RedHat RPM for it. What's the cleanest way to install this pecl extension? Use alient and convert the RPM or just use PECL to install it? |
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| 14:30.03 | raven | sylecn, not sbin its ssmtp for example |
| 14:30.48 | sylecn | raven: run 'which ssmtp' to get the path |
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| 14:32.13 | raven | sylecn, ok how to set the link then? |
| 14:32.19 | Viins | Hey There :) |
| 14:32.41 | Viins | Is there anyone who could help me, please? |
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| 14:33.01 | raven | sylecn, by the way which also shows nothing in "user mode" |
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| 14:33.12 | raven | sylecn, any rights-issue? |
| 14:33.18 | Viins | no? |
| 14:33.35 | Viins | Is there some French? |
| 14:34.03 | sylecn | raven: read ,PATH |
| 14:34.13 | sylecn | ,PATH |
| 14:34.26 | sylecn | !PATH |
| 14:34.26 | dpkg | PATH is the environment variable that tells the OS where to look for programs. It is defined in /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile (for sh-like shells) or ~/.login for csh-like shells. http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/sect_07_02.html |
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| 14:34.54 | raven | sylecn, ok tnx |
| 14:34.54 | Viins | Help? |
| 14:35.20 | Baccari | Viins, ask your question |
| 14:35.27 | Viins | Thank's |
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| 14:36.21 | TechDesk | !pkg imagesmagic |
| 14:36.28 | Viins | I need someone who can tell me how to make an autolauch file (in /etc/init.d, no?), I don't know how to make it, and I don't understand how it works... |
| 14:36.38 | TechDesk | !wiki imagesmagic |
| 14:37.03 | babilen | !tell robo -about pecl |
| 14:37.11 | raven | sylecn, but that seems ok doesnt it? /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games |
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| 14:37.28 | babilen | robo: Take a look at dh-make-pecl |
| 14:37.41 | robo | okay babilen, ty |
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| 14:38.55 | sylecn | raven: you can compare the PATH of root and other user, add missing path as necessary. usually non-root users will not have those sbin dirs. |
| 14:39.21 | raven | sylecn, for security....? |
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| 14:39.48 | sylecn | !init script |
| 14:39.48 | dpkg | /etc/init.d/ is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to /etc/init.d/myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript defaults". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <rc.local> <runlevel>. See also <missing lsb tags>. |
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| 14:40.07 | id10t | 'lo all |
| 14:40.07 | robo | babilen, nice. This was what i was looking for :-) |
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| 14:40.55 | id10t | anyone running an apt-mirror for wheezy? i'm getting what appears to be a 404 error on the main/amd64 Packages.gz file, but i can get the file fine from a browser |
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| 14:46.07 | Viins | so? |
| 14:46.52 | sylecn | !tell id10t about mirror |
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| 14:48.30 | id10t | sylecn - thanks, but i know about making a mirror. just that i'm unable to mirror wheezy amd64 ... get what appears to be a 404 error in my apt-mirror output but i can get the file fine from a browser |
| 14:48.48 | id10t | the rest of my mirror pools work (lenny, squeeze, bunch of ubuntu stuff) |
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| 14:49.27 | abrotman | id10t: how many boxes is this for ? |
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| 14:50.01 | id10t | abrotman, 5 or 6 of my coworkers, plus 30 of my current students, plus students from prior terms, plus a local lug... |
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| 14:50.29 | abrotman | !tell id10t about approx |
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| 14:50.41 | abrotman | probably a much more efficient way to do it .. and super easy to confifgure |
| 14:51.49 | abrotman | mirroring all of Debian gets a bit silly, especially when you're trying to mirror testing/unstable .. |
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| 14:52.09 | abrotman | (and it's only for a few dozen users) |
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| 14:53.25 | Justin | approx rocks |
| 14:53.26 | Justin | :) |
| 14:53.27 | id10t | abrotman, i've got the space and the bandwidth... guess i'll just stop with apt-mirror and find a different mirroring solution, since i want a "real" mirrror |
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| 14:53.46 | Justin | why do you want a real mirror? |
| 14:53.59 | abrotman | id10t: approx is an as-needed mirror .. far more efficient |
| 14:54.04 | abrotman | or on-demand |
| 14:54.17 | Justin | i have a few versions of debian for x86/amd64 and some ubuntu cached, and my approx directory is 6.3G |
| 14:54.20 | abrotman | id10t: oh .. unlesse you're willing to let the whole world use your mirror ... |
| 14:54.36 | id10t | abrotman, close to it ... |
| 14:54.55 | abrotman | not close .. it either is public or not |
| 14:55.16 | abrotman | really .. try approx .. i've used it for a few dozen systems .. it was great |
| 14:55.23 | id10t | its public, but not advertized ... but here at the community college, over at UFL,edu, etc |
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| 14:55.48 | abrotman | and you can make approx internet accessible as well |
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| 14:56.37 | abrotman | really, approx is a pretty awesome piece of software .. give it a try .. once you get it seeded .. you'll probably never go back |
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| 15:13.23 | ws2k3 | what is a good tool to use the mail function from php |
| 15:13.37 | ws2k3 | a php script mail now doesnt work |
| 15:14.07 | id10t | ws2k3, what issues/errors does the mail() function have? |
| 15:14.32 | id10t | and what are you trying to do? generic form to email processing? |
| 15:14.37 | nkuttler | !doesn't work |
| 15:14.38 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 15:14.56 | ws2k3 | form to e-mail processing |
| 15:15.00 | ws2k3 | i read up something about ssmtp? |
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| 15:15.26 | nkuttler | ws2k3: is your host configured to send out emails? |
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| 15:15.40 | ws2k3 | no |
| 15:15.50 | ws2k3 | that why i'm trying to do now but i never did that before |
| 15:16.14 | nkuttler | ws2k3: php mail() uses the system by default. if you want an external host you probably want to ask in ##php |
| 15:16.24 | ws2k3 | no i wanne use local |
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| 15:16.32 | id10t | ws2k3, http://www.gruv.org/php-form2mail/ |
| 15:16.40 | stimpie | what would be the |
| 15:16.51 | nkuttler | ws2k3: well then configure exim or whichever mta you like |
| 15:16.53 | ws2k3 | id10t a simple php mail script should do the jobb |
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| 15:17.01 | ws2k3 | yeah thats what i'm trying to do |
| 15:17.08 | ws2k3 | http://www.davidhurst.co.uk/2007/06/19/php-mail-and-ssmtp-on-debian-linux/ is this guide something for me ? |
| 15:17.14 | ws2k3 | ir is that not what i'm looking for? |
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| 15:17.51 | nkuttler | ssmtp looks like a forwarding mta.. so you still need a real mta somewhere |
| 15:18.02 | ws2k3 | ok. so can i use exim4 for that? |
| 15:18.08 | nkuttler | ws2k3: sure |
| 15:18.16 | ws2k3 | or what mta are u recommanding? i just need php to send mail thats all no more no less |
| 15:18.27 | nkuttler | i use exim |
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| 15:18.38 | ws2k3 | is exim4 still defauly installed? |
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| 15:19.57 | robo | !tell robo -about pecl search |
| 15:20.02 | babilen | ws2k3: yes |
| 15:20.11 | robo | !tell robo -about search |
| 15:20.23 | ws2k3 | do i need to confire it somehow to which smtp server it should use? |
| 15:20.29 | keith4 | yes, of course |
| 15:20.46 | id10t | ws2k3, exim is a smtp server ... if you have one elsewhere that you use, you can do that via php.ini |
| 15:21.00 | keith4 | but if you're going to do that, why not use a dumb MTA, like nullmailer? |
| 15:21.42 | babilen | !tell robo -about selftell |
| 15:21.44 | ws2k3 | do i need an externel smtp server to send the mail or not? |
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| 15:22.00 | ws2k3 | i'm not rly an mail expert |
| 15:22.11 | keith4 | ws2k3: technically no. realistically, yes |
| 15:22.39 | keith4 | ... it depends on your ISP, and whether or not you're okay being RBL-rejected, marked as spam, etc. |
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| 15:23.12 | ws2k3 | i shall explaine my case i have a VPS in a datacenter. debian 6.0 i run some php script on it. it want that that php script can send mail. |
| 15:23.26 | ws2k3 | what is the best way to do this or whats ur advice. |
| 15:23.43 | keith4 | sounds like you should set up a real MTA, like exim, postfix, etc. |
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| 15:24.18 | keith4 | but you need to know what you're doing, at least a little bit, to avoid Doing It Wrong (e.g., setting up an open relay) |
| 15:24.19 | ws2k3 | well i can try to configure exim, but i never did it before. |
| 15:24.45 | keith4 | you might try #exim, then |
| 15:24.50 | ws2k3 | well i have an iptables script on it so that prevents that people from outside can use it as an openrelay. |
| 15:24.54 | ws2k3 | so that not a problem |
| 15:25.02 | nnk | ws2k3: do you want to use a smarthost (some other server that will handle all your mail), or not? |
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| 15:25.20 | babilen | ws2k3: You essentially just want to run "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" and fill in appropriate values |
| 15:25.33 | nnk | ws2k3: if yes, than using something like msmtp is very easy, but can be done with exim, postfix and so on, oto |
| 15:25.46 | pizza_biz | if you're not into the whole DIY MTA thing, consider a php add-on like phpmailer class that you can point at a smarthost. looks like debian provides it as libphp-phpmailer. |
| 15:25.47 | ws2k3 | nnk i dont know. what it wise to do? |
| 15:25.58 | babilen | ws2k3: The main question is if you want to use it as a smarthost (i.e. it uses another server to actually send the mail) or send it yourself. |
| 15:26.02 | keith4 | i get the impression he doesn't have a real MTA available to use |
| 15:26.16 | keith4 | (elsewhere, that is) |
| 15:26.29 | nnk | ws2k3: if you have a server/account you can use for this, it's probably easier to go for using that as a smarthost |
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| 15:26.46 | ws2k3 | keath4 well i have an .nl domain and i have a smtp server that i can use |
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| 15:27.02 | ws2k3 | an smtp server of a webhosting provider which i have some domain. so i can use that |
| 15:27.08 | ws2k3 | but i dont know what is wise to do |
| 15:27.16 | keith4 | that's probably a wiser choice, as others are suggesting |
| 15:27.55 | ws2k3 | if i can setup my debian machine that he uses that smtp server to send the mail that would be great |
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| 15:28.06 | nnk | imho it's overkill to configure and administer your own smtp srver if all you want to do is send some mails |
| 15:28.18 | keith4 | agreed |
| 15:28.20 | babilen | ws2k3: Yes, that would be the smarthost configuration -- Run "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" to configure it |
| 15:28.41 | ws2k3 | so then i can configure exim4 to use that other smtp server? |
| 15:28.54 | babilen | indeed |
| 15:29.09 | ws2k3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:29.53 | jelly | ws2k3: if you don't have local users to send mail to, just use nullmailer or ssmtp instead. |
| 15:30.10 | ws2k3 | no i dont have local users that need mail |
| 15:30.15 | jelly | they're made for exactly that purpose and much smaller |
| 15:30.16 | ws2k3 | i only wanne send mail out |
| 15:30.20 | eclaesson | Is it possible to run two webservers on the same machine? I.e one Apache and one.. JBOSS or something. I have two domains (.com), where one should point to one of the servers |
| 15:30.23 | ws2k3 | with php that all |
| 15:30.25 | keith4 | nullmailer is stupid-easy, but lacks some features that you might want |
| 15:30.40 | ws2k3 | exlausson vhost is not option for u ? |
| 15:30.55 | ws2k3 | then u can run 2 domain on one server on the same port |
| 15:31.12 | jelly | eclaesson: yes, but not on the same IP and port without proxying or other shenanigans |
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| 15:31.41 | eclaesson | Okay, and that's troublesome? |
| 15:31.46 | ws2k3 | jelly if i'm right but i'm not compleet sure u can run run alot sites on the same ip and port with a vhost? |
| 15:31.46 | keith4 | eclaesson: #httpd can help you with the shenanigans |
| 15:31.50 | jelly | eclaesson: it's just configuration. |
| 15:31.57 | eclaesson | Okay, thanks everyone |
| 15:32.04 | ws2k3 | i run 2 website on one ip and one port ? |
| 15:32.08 | ws2k3 | with vhost |
| 15:32.13 | keith4 | that's not what he asked |
| 15:32.18 | jelly | ws2k3: he would need both vhosts and mod_proxy |
| 15:32.31 | ws2k3 | ok. then i just misunderstud his question. |
| 15:32.36 | ws2k3 | sorry for my bad english. |
| 15:33.02 | id10t | multiple sites on one ip w/ name based virtual hosting... only issue is if you want to do ssl stuff |
| 15:33.24 | jelly | don't be an id10t, read the whole question |
| 15:33.28 | keith4 | id10t: do-able, with a wildcard cert actually. depends on the domains, of course |
| 15:33.28 | ws2k3 | i cant speak about that both dont use ssl |
| 15:33.38 | Justin | ssl no longer has issues with name based virual hosting |
| 15:33.49 | eclaesson | But as Grails basically is Java, i should be able to poke it into the existing apache |
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| 15:35.00 | keith4 | i have a 64-bit squeeze box that's been rock solid until a few months ago. i'm not sure which kernel upgrade started the behavior, but once every few hours the network seems to stall: http://pastebin.com/KGaxsE8C |
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| 15:36.01 | jelly | eclaesson: there are other ways to make apache and a java servlet engine work together, like mod_jk and Tomcat |
| 15:36.12 | jelly | I have no idea what exists for JBoss |
| 15:36.22 | keith4 | i thought mod_jk was deprecated, in favor of mod proxy mount, or something like that, no? |
| 15:36.37 | jelly | I have no idea what's deprecated either :-) |
| 15:36.38 | eclaesson | jelly: That's what i meant, tomcat or any java servlet mod for apache :) |
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| 15:37.12 | ws2k3 | i have installed nullmailer what should i use as mailname? |
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| 15:37.26 | jelly | ws2k3: your public FQDN |
| 15:37.39 | ws2k3 | of the server? |
| 15:37.43 | keith4 | yes |
| 15:37.51 | keith4 | ... of the VPS |
| 15:37.55 | jelly | ws2k3: of the machine you're installing nullmailer on |
| 15:38.42 | ws2k3 | i understand and how can i test from debian if i can send mail out? |
| 15:39.07 | keith4 | echo "test" | mail -s "test subject" ws2k3@whatever.nl |
| 15:39.41 | jelly | and install bsd-mailx first, to get the mail command |
| 15:39.53 | keith4 | oh yah. that'd help ;-) |
| 15:40.10 | keith4 | ws2k3: or a one-liner in PHP |
| 15:40.23 | jelly | because that would have been the next question |
| 15:40.29 | ws2k3 | :) |
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| 15:40.45 | ws2k3 | well nothing happens wel i run that rule |
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| 15:41.13 | keith4 | check syslog |
| 15:41.19 | ws2k3 | k |
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| 15:41.37 | ws2k3 | what port is smtp? |
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| 15:42.16 | dwfreed | ws2k3: by default, 25 |
| 15:43.14 | ws2k3 | 550 unknow user it says |
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| 15:45.34 | ws2k3 | what could that be |
| 15:46.08 | keith4 | what's in /etc/nullmailer/remotes ? |
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| 15:47.11 | ws2k3 | smtp.twindo.nl |
| 15:47.20 | ws2k3 | thats the smtp server i which to use |
| 15:47.24 | keith4 | you have to send it to an address that smtp.twindo.nl can deliver to |
| 15:49.07 | jelly | ws2k3: souds like your smarthost does not want to deliver that mail. Are you sure you should be able to use that smarthost without authentication? |
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| 15:49.47 | jelly | ws2k3: can you pastebin the actual lines from /var/log/mail.log ? |
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| 15:51.07 | jelly | ws2k3: everything from the "Trigger pulled." line down |
| 15:51.13 | ws2k3 | yeah i'm pretty use i can use it without any auth |
| 15:51.52 | jelly | ws2k3: then you might have given it a destination address that it thinks is local, but the left side of the address is invalid |
| 15:51.56 | ws2k3 | i dont have a mail.log |
| 15:52.09 | jelly | ws2k3: which debian release are you using? |
| 15:52.12 | ws2k3 | 6.0 |
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| 15:52.50 | ws2k3 | sorry wrong directory |
| 15:52.51 | ws2k3 | my bad |
| 15:52.53 | jelly | ws2k3: grep mail.log /etc/*syslog.conf |
| 15:52.59 | jelly | oh |
| 15:53.08 | jelly | ignore that last line, then |
| 15:53.11 | ws2k3 | Nov 28 16:46:39 localhost nullmailer[21246]: Starting delivery: protocol: smtp host: smtp.twindo.nl file: 1322494538.21427 |
| 15:53.12 | ws2k3 | Nov 28 16:46:39 localhost nullmailer[23502]: smtp: Failed: 550 "Unknown User" |
| 15:53.15 | jelly | !paste |
| 15:53.15 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
| 15:53.24 | ws2k3 | its not more then 2 lines.. |
| 15:53.34 | ws2k3 | but next time i shall pastebin |
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| 15:54.00 | jelly | and it's not everything I asked for |
| 15:54.19 | ws2k3 | mail.* -/var/log/mail.log |
| 15:54.25 | ws2k3 | that return ur grep command |
| 15:54.33 | jelly | yeah, I told you to ignore that |
| 15:54.44 | ws2k3 | ok .my bad |
| 15:54.58 | ws2k3 | what else did u asked for? |
| 15:55.27 | jelly | <jelly> ws2k3: can you pastebin the actual lines from /var/log/mail.log ? <jelly> ws2k3: everything from the "Trigger pulled." line down |
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| 15:55.39 | ws2k3 | ok |
| 15:55.50 | jelly | are you able to send to your gmail.com address? |
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| 15:55.55 | ws2k3 | http://pastebin.com/xbHjdPq1 |
| 15:56.14 | ws2k3 | i dont have a gmail i have a hotmail. but no i cannot send to my hotmail adres |
| 15:56.19 | jelly | why not? |
| 15:56.24 | jelly | oh, you tried. |
| 15:56.29 | ws2k3 | yeah |
| 15:56.43 | jelly | then you're not using the correct smarthost, or it needs authentication |
| 15:56.44 | ws2k3 | i tryed with this : echo "test" | mail -s "test subject" ws2k3@whatever.nl |
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| 15:57.04 | keith4 | uh |
| 15:57.14 | jelly | ws2k3: except it was a hotmail address instead of whatever.nl, right |
| 15:57.20 | ws2k3 | yeah ofcrouse |
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| 15:57.40 | keith4 | 60 messages remain?! |
| 15:57.53 | jelly | ws2k3: can you do that again, and look at the log to see which error happens? |
| 15:57.59 | jelly | ws2k3: the hotmail address. |
| 15:58.12 | jelly | keith4: think "cron" |
| 15:58.20 | jelly | or 10 minutes of testing |
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| 15:59.05 | thomax | hi, is the blender package management on this channel active or does someone know one of them? i would love to see spacenav support on 2.59 |
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| 16:01.28 | ChibaPet | I'd tend to think finding the right mailing list would be your best bet, thomax. |
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| 16:01.35 | ws2k3 | well i just called the company that host that smtp server and he says it requeres auth |
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| 16:01.53 | jelly | IMAGINE THAT |
| 16:01.54 | ws2k3 | so can i have 2 choices or i setup my own mailserver or i can try to configure auth |
| 16:03.35 | petemc | its trivial to do smtp auth with the pear mail package |
| 16:03.48 | jelly | it's trivial to do it with nullmailer as well |
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| 16:04.16 | petemc | i guess its all relative |
| 16:04.18 | ws2k3 | jelly what do u think own mailserver / use that one with auth? |
| 16:04.28 | jelly | ws2k3: I'd configure nullmailer. |
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| 16:05.27 | jelly | ws2k3: if dpkg-reconfigure nullmailer didn't ask you about auth parameters, read man nullmailer-send |
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| 16:05.57 | jelly | and replace the line in /etc/nullmailer/remotes with the appropriate syntax |
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| 16:06.17 | raven | how to write date and times to files in format yyyy-mm-dd--hh.mm.ss? |
| 16:06.48 | ws2k3 | well reconfigure doesnt ask for auth |
| 16:06.55 | dwfreed | raven: in a programming language on in a shell? |
| 16:07.07 | ws2k3 | reconfigure didnt ask for auth details |
| 16:07.29 | jelly | raven: you could use date command's format options, or strftime() in your application |
| 16:07.41 | raven | dwfreed, shell |
| 16:07.57 | dwfreed | raven: check out date, take a look at 'man date' |
| 16:08.01 | raven | jelly, how to create that format with date?? |
| 16:08.05 | jelly | raven: date +%Y-%m-%d-- can't remember the rest |
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| 16:08.53 | jordanm | jelly: +%F is a shortcut to that |
| 16:09.28 | raven | jelly, dwfreed oh sry i never understand the +.... because of that it did not work |
| 16:09.36 | jordanm | raven: 'date +%F--%H-%M-%S' |
| 16:09.42 | raven | ok tnx |
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| 16:10.37 | jordanm | oh, there is a shortcut for that too |
| 16:10.45 | ws2k3 | jelly it already works |
| 16:10.49 | jordanm | date +%F--%T |
| 16:10.59 | ws2k3 | the php mail work so i'm not gonne touch anything |
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| 16:11.55 | jelly | perhaps they reconfigured it for you |
| 16:12.04 | ws2k3 | yeah maby |
| 16:12.11 | ws2k3 | at least it works so :) thats nice |
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| 16:12.50 | jelly | ws2k3: without auth, only sending to addresses that are local will work, sending to hotmail might not |
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| 16:13.09 | ws2k3 | jelly i already know why it works |
| 16:13.27 | ws2k3 | the VPS trys to send a mail to an e-mail adres on that same server |
| 16:13.31 | ws2k3 | maby that why it works |
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| 16:15.29 | ws2k3 | i gotta go |
| 16:15.31 | ws2k3 | thanks alot bye |
| 16:15.45 | jelly | .o/ |
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| 16:16.14 | IppatsuMan | Hi all, I have a question related to package management. If package A depends on package X, and both package B and C provide X, but B is installed and C is not. How can I substitute B with C without uninstalling A using aptitude? (apt-get allows does that without any special parameter) |
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| 16:17.05 | oo_miguel | the installer does not recognize any of my partitions, any idea what the reason might be? |
| 16:17.27 | jelly | IppatsuMan: just install C. |
| 16:17.50 | jelly | IppatsuMan: it might or might remove B. If it doesn't, remove B afterwards |
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| 16:18.53 | jelly | I accidentally "not" above. |
| 16:19.31 | IppatsuMan | jelly: I tried that, but aptitude tried to remove A (of course, in my case "A" is a placeholder for a long list of packages, that's the reason I don't want to uninstall them) |
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| 16:20.54 | jelly | IppatsuMan: note the aptitude output. Tell it "r NUMBER", NUMBER next to the line where it says A is to be removed. Then tell it "n" to make it try harder. |
| 16:20.55 | IppatsuMan | its output is along the lines of: The following packages have unmet dependencies: B: Conflicts: C but <version> is to be installed. The following actions will resolve these dependencies: Remove the following packages: A |
| 16:21.40 | jelly | IppatsuMan: which Debian release are you using? Can you pastebin the actual command and output. |
| 16:21.44 | babilen | IppatsuMan: Could you show us the real output on http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 16:23.38 | Guest87321 | how do I read messages left on here? |
| 16:23.51 | Justin | Guest87321: messages left on here? |
| 16:24.01 | Guest87321 | apt> You have 2 messages awaiting, from: jorgenpt, floele (botmail read) |
| 16:24.30 | IppatsuMan | Ok, don't kill me now but this is actually on Ubuntu, I thought that it was just matter of getting the right switch on aptitude so it was ok to ask here. Here's the output: http://paste.debian.net/147315/ If you think that this is distro-dependant, then I am sorry |
| 16:24.32 | babilen | Guest87321: "/msg memoserv help" -- Further questions in #freenode :) |
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| 16:25.15 | raven | how to do timelapse webcam like recordings with (c)vlc |
| 16:25.31 | jelly | IppatsuMan: dependency breakage is pretty much always the fault of people that made said package dependencies |
| 16:26.00 | Justin | and the fault of aptitude for offering to remove libc6 |
| 16:26.02 | jelly | I will help with ubuntu dependencies for a mere $50/hr :-D |
| 16:26.17 | Justin | i bet apt-get install gives a much more sane error message |
| 16:26.29 | jordanm | !tell IppatsuMan about ubuntu |
| 16:27.16 | IppatsuMan | jordanm: I know that. I just thought that it was only a problem of knowing what is the right switch to pass to aptitude |
| 16:27.24 | jelly | IppatsuMan: in this particular case, try telling aptitude to remove the conflicting package directly in the command line. |
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| 16:28.25 | IppatsuMan | Justin: apt-get actually works without complaining. It goes on saying something like "package A depends on X, I will remove B anyway because you told me to", then it installs C and everything is just right |
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| 16:29.26 | jelly | IppatsuMan: please join #ubuntu |
| 16:29.28 | babilen | IppatsuMan: Please note that we *only* support Debian in here. #ubuntu is the right channel for *all* your questions. Good luck! |
| 16:29.30 | Justin | IppatsuMan: yeah, that's why I never use aptitude.. I've NEVER had good experiences with it's "smart" dependency handling |
| 16:30.46 | ChibaPet | Is there a way to exclude certain packages from what would other wise be a dist-upgrade with apt-get? That functionality is something I like in Aptitude. |
| 16:30.53 | IppatsuMan | babilen: as I said, I thought it was a tool-specific problem, not distro-specific. I am sorry, I was wrong. Thanks anyway |
| 16:30.55 | ChibaPet | otherwise* |
| 16:31.02 | babilen | IppatsuMan: One final note: aptitude can propose different solutions (type "n" when you are asked "Accept this solution? ...") and a better one might be proposed later. You are welcome to install Debian and come here for help. |
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| 16:31.21 | ChibaPet | s/welcome /encouraged /g |
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| 16:31.45 | babilen | IppatsuMan: Even if the question is applicable to Debian this is still not the correct channel. You use Ubuntu so you go to #ubuntu ro ##linux for help. |
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| 16:32.00 | jelly | he's getting help in #ubuntu |
| 16:32.05 | IppatsuMan | babilen: I tried to use "n", but it gave me a couple of dumb options and then stopped |
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| 16:32.42 | jelly | is not going to comment in here further on this topic |
| 16:33.42 | jordanm | Justin: I had good experiences up until squeeze. it seemed to have regressed, and I have mostly stopped using it outside of its advanced search features |
| 16:34.12 | jordanm | it wasn't always bad though |
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| 16:34.26 | jelly | it's the darn Recommends mon |
| 16:34.40 | jordanm | mon? |
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| 16:34.46 | ChibaPet | ya mon |
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| 16:35.21 | jordanm | I think the turning point for me was when I did "aptitude install foo", and aptitude recommended that I remove aptitude |
| 16:35.25 | jelly | a true |
| 16:35.54 | ChibaPet | Hah, nice. It must have been having a bad day. |
| 16:35.57 | jordanm | its resolution did not even include installing package foo |
| 16:36.34 | ChibaPet | So, *is* there a way to exclude certain packages from upgrades? Ala ':' in Aptitude? |
| 16:36.43 | ChibaPet | ...when using apt-get? |
| 16:37.35 | jordanm | ChibaPet: I believe a aptitude hold foo is honored by apt-get |
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| 16:38.29 | ChibaPet | hm, ok - that's what I'm seeing so far, is "hold with another program" and that seems strange, so I assume I'm just missing something |
| 16:38.39 | ChibaPet | (Google suggests "wajig" to hold a package.) |
| 16:39.10 | ChibaPet | And a distinction of Aptitude's ':' is that it's a one-time exclude, rather than a hold that sticks with the package. |
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| 16:39.46 | jelly | apt-get is a bit simple like that. hold it and unhold it? |
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| 16:40.42 | ChibaPet | Right, but it seems odd that there's no way to do that *with* apt-get. |
| 16:41.02 | ChibaPet | It's not an issue for me, as I've had good experiences with Aptitude. Just saying, there are reasons for using other tools. |
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| 16:41.41 | ChibaPet | I wonder if an 'apt-get hold/unhold' patch would be welcome. |
| 16:41.54 | ChibaPet | and possibly a one-time exclude option |
| 16:43.58 | jelly | ChibaPet: or make it a local alias or function |
| 16:44.43 | babilen | (extra points for using aptitude behind the scenes) |
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| 16:45.12 | jordanm | ChibaPet: feature requests for packages are more likely to get accepted with patches |
| 16:45.26 | jordanm | perhaps it should be apt-mark functionality though |
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| 16:45.37 | csotelo | Hi people.. I have a problem with 10 teras external hard disk |
| 16:45.48 | csotelo | it si not recognized by my debian 6 server |
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| 16:45.52 | csotelo | any help, thanks |
| 16:46.07 | csotelo | it is toshiba external disk |
| 16:46.08 | jordanm | csotelo: how is it connected? |
| 16:46.16 | csotelo | jordanm: usb |
| 16:46.27 | jordanm | a 10TB array over usb? |
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| 16:46.46 | csotelo | jordanm: yes.. its is connected by usb |
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| 16:47.13 | cityfountain | can somebody help me batch rename file names? i want to change all the 64s to 32s in a folder, and i cant figure out regular expressions |
| 16:47.15 | csotelo | teh reason it will be used for storing backups from the server |
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| 16:47.42 | ChibaPet | jordanm, sure - I'd love to dive in and submit a patch - was just wondering if it's something folks would want |
| 16:47.48 | babilen | cityfountain: "man rename" → "s/32/64" -- Try with "-n" first |
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| 16:47.51 | csotelo | fdisk -l doesnt recognize it |
| 16:48.05 | ws2k3 | then another question since a couple of days i have a another dedicated server i already have 2 running. i allways use bwm-ng to look what the traffic is at the moment. but on the new dedicated server bwm-ng is showing some realy strange behavior on my other server the data traffic just stays jumping for 400 to 450 to 400 and so on.. but on the new dedicated server its juping to 0 then it jumps |
| 16:48.05 | ws2k3 | to 1000 then to 0 then to 1100 then to 0 adn then to 900 and then to 0.... that it jumps every second to 0 what can that be? i have use bwm-ng for a while now and never had any issues with it for before. |
| 16:48.06 | cityfountain | thank babilen |
| 16:48.09 | jordanm | ChibaPet: you could email the apt maintainers before diving in |
| 16:48.10 | cityfountain | +s |
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| 16:48.34 | spoq | i got debian and ITS BIG. |
| 16:49.16 | jordanm | csotelo: just curious, who sells this 10TB external device that connects over USB? it sounds... amusing |
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| 16:49.27 | spoq | me. |
| 16:49.28 | cityfountain | babilen: it renamed all the 64s to 6s |
| 16:49.36 | ChibaPet | jordanm, will do - where might I find contact information? Does apt live at Debian? |
| 16:49.39 | spoq | i got 20tb |
| 16:49.49 | csotelo | jordanm: 1tb (mistake no 10tb) |
| 16:50.18 | csotelo | jordanm: is a toshiba usb external disk |
| 16:50.25 | cityfountain | babilen: nm, got it, thanks |
| 16:50.34 | jordanm | ChibaPet: deity@lists.debian.org |
| 16:50.38 | babilen | cityfountain: Ah, to change "32" to "64" you want "s/64/32/" |
| 16:50.44 | ChibaPet | Thank you. |
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| 16:50.58 | jordanm | csotelo: and it doesn't show up in fdisk after you plug it in? |
| 16:51.16 | csotelo | yes jordanm |
| 16:51.41 | jordanm | csotelo: does dmesg provide information about it being plugged in or detected? |
| 16:51.47 | babilen | csotelo: Plug it in and paste "dmesg|tail -n 23" to http://paste.debian.net |
| 16:52.01 | csotelo | teh cursor keep on waiting.. like if it is been recognized |
| 16:52.07 | csotelo | lsub show it |
| 16:52.11 | csotelo | fdisk -l no |
| 16:52.20 | jordanm | csotelo: what cursor? |
| 16:52.44 | csotelo | jordanm: consola.... |
| 16:52.50 | csotelo | terminal text |
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| 16:53.50 | csotelo | jordanm: http://paste.debian.net/147323/ |
| 16:54.20 | jordanm | csotelo: looks like the drive, enclosure, or connection is bad |
| 16:55.01 | csotelo | jordanm: I will change it to other usb port.... on w32 is been recognized with put problems |
| 16:55.44 | jhutchins_lt | csotelo: Check the internal connection between the hard drive and the USB controller in the enclosure. |
| 16:55.55 | csotelo | ok |
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| 16:56.34 | Monotoko | how important are kernel updates for a servers security? |
| 16:57.04 | Monotoko | rebooting every time one is released is a slight pain... and I've seen servers with hundreds of days of up time |
| 16:57.26 | ChibaPet | Monotoko, read the security notices and you can decide case by case. |
| 16:57.56 | ChibaPet | It could be that the update isn't fixing something that can be tickled in your environment, but you won't know without giving it a read and thinking about it. |
| 16:59.02 | ChibaPet | (See my mention of Aptitude's ':' earlier - I use it specifically to hold back kernels in a particular situation where I don't want a kernel update, but where I also want the fact that there's a kernel update available to be in my face each time.) |
| 16:59.13 | Monotoko | ChibaPet, thank you... where would be the best place to find the security notices? |
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| 16:59.30 | ChibaPet | http://www.debian.org/security/ |
| 16:59.55 | ChibaPet | And, the security and security announce mailing lists are quite useful. |
| 17:00.05 | Monotoko | I think I was overcomplicating that slightly... thank you :) |
| 17:00.17 | ChibaPet | If you want to go further, you can also subscribe to bugtraq and incidents and that sort of thing. |
| 17:01.54 | csotelo | jordanm: hcek this new paste http://paste.debian.net/147325/ I have moved it to a new usb ort.. and check the dmesage, plese |
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| 17:02.33 | Monotoko | ChibaPet, I can't seem to find anything on the latest kernel update, which I assume means it wasn't a security patch? |
| 17:02.44 | jordanm | csotelo: looks like the drive, enclosure, or connection is bad |
| 17:03.09 | csotelo | jordanm: I know... i am looking that |
| 17:03.09 | ChibaPet | Monotoko, half a sec and I'll look. |
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| 17:03.29 | csotelo | jordanm: laos lsusb tell me "Bus 001 Device 009: ID 0480:a004 Toshiba America Info. Systems, Inc. " |
| 17:03.32 | jhutchins_lt | Monotoko: If you're running stable you shouldn't get very many updates that require a reboot. Only major kernel patches need that. |
| 17:03.48 | jordanm | csotelo: but dmesg tells you that the disk is giving I/O errors |
| 17:04.10 | csotelo | looks a drive problem.. how ever win recognixe the usb... are there any way to fix from comand line.. I dont thhink so |
| 17:04.13 | jordanm | csotelo: don't put your backups on that device |
| 17:04.18 | jhutchins_lt | Monotoko: We do get linux-image updates that don't require a reboot. |
| 17:04.23 | csotelo | jordanm: I know that |
| 17:04.30 | Monotoko | Thank you :) your time is appreciated... jhutchin1_lt that's just it, I'm trying to find out whether the kernel patch that had just come out will require it |
| 17:05.01 | Monotoko | 2.6.32-39 I think |
| 17:05.12 | jhutchins_lt | Monotoko: If there's a patch that requires a reboot, aptitud (dpkg) should tell you when it installs the image. |
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| 17:06.06 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 17:06.06 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.1-1); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.1-1); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 17:06.35 | jhutchins_lt | Monotoko: Which kernel? |
| 17:07.17 | Monotoko | jhutchin1_lt, 2.6.32-39 (base package: linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem) |
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| 17:08.57 | jhutchins_lt | Monotoko: Strange, I'm on 32-38 and it doesn't want to upgrade. |
| 17:09.04 | Monotoko | I just see servers with hundreds of days of up time... and I've seen a lot of arguments about whether it is always necessary to stay up to date on the kernel as long as you keep everything else updated... so I was wanting to know what it would fix for me, basically whether it's important or I can apply it during a scheduled reboot in the coming weeks |
| 17:09.07 | jhutchins_lt | Monotoko: Like I said though, if you need to reboot it should tell you. |
| 17:09.47 | ws2k3 | how should i use sudo to which to another user and then run a command? |
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| 17:10.09 | ChibaPet | sudo -u username foo |
| 17:10.28 | ws2k3 | where whould i place the command i wanne run then ? |
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| 17:10.37 | ChibaPet | where "foo" is |
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| 17:10.49 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: What does the manpage for sudo say? |
| 17:11.46 | ChibaPet | jhutchins_lt has a point, ws2k3 - man pages can be pretty useful, especially if they have an "EXAMPLES" section, which "man sudo" does. |
| 17:11.52 | Monotoko | jhutchin1_lt, I use an apt repo provided by my host so it doesn't count against my quota... it's apparently in Squeeze-updates, but i'l take that with a pinch of salt |
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| 17:13.43 | ws2k3 | then another question since a couple of days i have a another dedicated server i already have 2 running. i allways use bwm-ng to look what the traffic is at the moment. but on the new dedicated server bwm-ng is showing some realy strange behavior on my other server the data traffic just stays jumping for 400 to 450 to 400 and so on.. but on the new dedicated server its juping to 0 then it jumps |
| 17:13.43 | ws2k3 | to 1000 then to 0 then to 1100 then to 0 adn then to 900 and then to 0.... that it jumps every second to 0 what can that be? i have use bwm-ng for a while now and never had any issues with it for before. |
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| 17:14.49 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: We have no way of knowing what kind of "server" you've set up, what's running on it, what it's serving, who your audience is, why they would hit one server over another one. THis really isn't a Debian support question. |
| 17:15.59 | ws2k3 | ? |
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| 17:16.11 | ws2k3 | problem is that my bwm-ng is showing strange behavior. |
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| 17:16.26 | ws2k3 | he is acting strange.. it shows incorrect traffic an issue that i never had before. |
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| 17:17.02 | ws2k3 | this person is having the same issue: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1092681 |
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| 17:17.40 | MarteleiroRoboc | hi everybody, anyone has been used layer7? :) |
| 17:17.42 | ChibaPet | ws2k3, I don't know the tool in question, but are you showing any kind of interesting error count on your interfaces? |
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| 17:18.09 | ws2k3 | no i dont. have any interesting errors |
| 17:18.16 | ws2k3 | MarteleiroRoboc depends. |
| 17:18.17 | ompaul | ws2k3: install jnettop (no it is not a java app) then inspect both interfaces |
| 17:18.25 | ChibaPet | Any error count at all? What does ifconfig say? |
| 17:18.28 | ws2k3 | i have have jnettop running |
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| 17:19.02 | ws2k3 | http://pastebin.com/bkvBLuUL |
| 17:19.03 | MarteleiroRoboc | ws2k3 can i talk with u in pv? |
| 17:19.05 | ws2k3 | my ifconfig |
| 17:19.10 | ws2k3 | ofcrouse u can |
| 17:19.21 | jelly | MarteleiroRoboc: every day, but only if that question is interpreted literally |
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| 17:20.48 | ChibaPet | No errors at all, okay. I'm not sure what the implications are of the issues you're describing, ws2k3, but you might find a mailing list for users of that tool, if nothing else crops up. |
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| 17:21.16 | simonlnu | MarteleiroRoboc: yes, i try to use my brain as much as possible |
| 17:21.32 | simonlnu | !jelly++ |
| 17:22.01 | ws2k3 | point is i have 2 servers where bwm-ng works as it should be. just showing the correct traffic speed |
| 17:22.06 | jelly | simonlnu: you run apps on your brain?! |
| 17:22.12 | ws2k3 | but on one servers it it jumps to 0 every second |
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| 17:22.33 | simonlnu | apps don't do anything if you don't use them |
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| 17:22.53 | simonlnu | unless they're daemons of course |
| 17:22.59 | jelly | using them is layer 8 |
| 17:23.07 | simonlnu | ooh |
| 17:23.19 | jelly | lolz |
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| 17:33.03 | spoq | fuck. |
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| 17:41.34 | MarteleiroRoboc | Anyone uses l7-filter? |
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| 17:46.51 | debiannoob | hey everyone |
| 17:47.13 | debiannoob | i have a problem playing dvds in debian squeeze |
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| 17:47.25 | debiannoob | i have installed libdvdcss2 |
| 17:47.28 | daemonkeeper | wild guess: You need decss |
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| 17:48.05 | debiannoob | unable to locate package decss |
| 17:48.19 | ChibaPet | Search for "Debian Multimedia", debiannoob. |
| 17:48.24 | debiannoob | i did |
| 17:48.34 | ChibaPet | Do you have that repository available? |
| 17:48.34 | debiannoob | i installed libdvdcss2 from there |
| 17:48.41 | ChibaPet | oh, hm |
| 17:48.44 | debiannoob | i have it in my sources |
| 17:49.04 | joelio | Any idea where I can find a 3.0.x kernel, need to test a DKMS module against it. Everything in Wheezy is currently 3.1 |
| 17:49.20 | joelio | checked my dpkg caches too |
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| 17:49.57 | jordanm | !tell joelio about snapshots |
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| 17:52.46 | joelio | jordanm: Thanks! |
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| 17:54.13 | jhutchins_lt | debiannoob: Do you have mplayer from dmm? |
| 17:54.15 | debiannoob | everytime i try to play a dvd in vlc, it says: p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } Playback failure: DVDRead could not open the disc "/dev/dvd". Your input can't be opened: VLC is unable to open the MRL 'dvd:///dev/dvd'. Check the log for details. |
| 17:54.30 | debiannoob | i havent tried mplayer yet |
| 17:54.41 | debiannoob | would that work better? |
| 17:55.04 | raven | how to get date to produce the actual time? its only writing files to the first time it was opened fswebcam -d /dev/video0 -l 2 video0--`date +%F--%H.%M.%S`.jpg |
| 17:55.40 | jhutchins_lt | debiannoob: What groups is your user a member of? |
| 17:56.07 | debiannoob | i don't know |
| 17:56.09 | ompaul | debiannoob: to find out the user should type id |
| 17:56.15 | debiannoob | k |
| 17:56.44 | debiannoob | jhutchins: uid=1000(kyk) gid=1000(kyk) groups=1000(kyk),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),108(netdev),115(powerdev),116(scanner) |
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| 17:57.40 | spoq | MY PLEASURE. |
| 17:58.03 | spoq | hi debiannoob |
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| 17:58.37 | debiannoob | hi spoq |
| 17:58.51 | raven | how to do timelapse webcam like recordings with (c)vlc |
| 17:58.54 | raven | how to get date to produce the actual time? its only writing files to the first time it was opened fswebcam -d /dev/video0 -l 2 video0--`date +%F--%H.%M.%S`.jpg |
| 17:58.57 | spoq | nice nickname you got |
| 17:59.53 | jhutchins_lt | debiannoob: How about ls -l /dev/dvd |
| 18:00.23 | debiannoob | no such file or directory |
| 18:00.44 | jhutchins_lt | !tell joelio about snapshot |
| 18:01.15 | jhutchins_lt | debiannoob: That could make it difficult for VLC to open it. |
| 18:01.52 | jhutchins_lt | debiannoob: What release are you running? |
| 18:02.01 | debiannoob | squeeze |
| 18:02.21 | jhutchins_lt | debiannoob: Do you have /dev/sr0? |
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| 18:02.38 | debiannoob | yes |
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| 18:02.57 | jhutchins_lt | debiannoob: Can we reasonably assume that's your DVD drive? (ie there is no /dev/sr1 or anything else). |
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| 18:03.23 | debiannoob | yep |
| 18:03.40 | jhutchins_lt | debiannoob: Try this then: as root, ln -s /dev/sr0 /dev/dvd |
| 18:04.03 | debiannoob | did it |
| 18:04.17 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, now make sure VLC is completely shut down, then try again to play a DVD |
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| 18:04.57 | debiannoob | still giving me errors |
| 18:05.04 | jhutchins_lt | debiannoob: Please be specific |
| 18:05.21 | debiannoob | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.27 | jhutchins_lt | wonders if there's some reason this isn't being recognized as a DVD by the system. |
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| 18:06.00 | jhutchins_lt | debiannoob: Well, check the log for details then. I don't run VLC so I don't know which log they mean. |
| 18:06.10 | debiannoob | k |
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| 18:07.10 | clone_of_saturn | maybe you didn't run regionset? |
| 18:07.12 | jhutchins_lt | /dev/dvd should be a 777 link to /dev/sr0 which should have group cdrom rw. |
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| 18:09.24 | debiannoob | regionset version 0.1 -- reads/sets region code on DVD drives |
| 18:09.25 | debiannoob | Current Region Code settings: |
| 18:09.25 | debiannoob | RPC Phase: II |
| 18:09.25 | debiannoob | type: SET |
| 18:09.25 | debiannoob | vendor resets available: 4 |
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| 18:11.20 | debiannoob | http://paste.debian.net/147330/ |
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| 18:11.46 | ranamalo | anyone know how to get the start sequence of an init script? |
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| 18:13.17 | debiannoob | do i set it to region 1??? |
| 18:13.22 | ompaul | ranamalo: that question could do with a back story, some plot points and to be honest a good pitch to an editor who might get some meaning out of it (i.e. what?) |
| 18:14.03 | jhutchins | debiannoob: It's already set to region 1. |
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| 18:15.30 | debiannoob | okay |
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| 18:15.36 | ranamalo | ompaul: one can set the start sequence with update-rc.d, which indicates at what point relative to the other init script it is run. I would like to find out what is the current start sequence of the init scripts I already have |
| 18:15.41 | debiannoob | heres the vlc log http://paste.debian.net/147332/ |
| 18:16.05 | dwfreed | ranamalo: take a look in /etc/rc*.d |
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| 18:17.04 | ompaul | !tell ranamalo about update-rc.d |
| 18:17.42 | ompaul | ranamalo: I can't remember I wanted to change one order once but the answer was in there somewhere |
| 18:17.48 | ranamalo | dwfreed: ah yes fogot about that thanks |
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| 18:18.24 | ranamalo | ompaul: dwfreed hit it on the button /etc/rc*.d |
| 18:19.23 | ompaul | there is a more "debian way" to do it |
| 18:19.56 | dondelelcaro | ranamalo: that's only if you're not using dependency boot |
| 18:20.14 | dondelelcaro | if you are using dependency-based booting, then you just specify what your init script depends on, and it's ordered for you |
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| 18:21.15 | Lenin[web] | перт |
| 18:21.52 | ompaul | !tell Lenin[web] about ru |
| 18:21.54 | Lenin[web] | народ как 3д десктоп рабатает на деб ? |
| 18:22.13 | ranamalo | dondelelcaro, ompaul: is dependency-based booting the more "debian way" of doing it? |
| 18:22.31 | ompaul | ranamalo: for 6 and + yes |
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| 18:23.45 | debiannoob | !tell debiannoob about vlc |
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| 18:24.04 | ompaul | !tell debiannoob about selftell |
| 18:24.07 | ChibaPet | debiannoob, you can also just /msg dpkg vlc |
| 18:24.31 | debiannoob | ok |
| 18:24.43 | Lenin[web] | i can not join #debian-russian , it work ? |
| 18:25.05 | ChibaPet | Lenin[web], I see 24 people in there. |
| 18:25.09 | Lenin[web] | ф |
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| 18:27.07 | ChibaPet | What happens when you try to join it? |
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| 18:28.46 | MarteleiroRoboc | troubles with l7-filter, anyone uses today? |
| 18:28.54 | cesurasean | guys. i stopped corosync on 2 machines, and then lost connection to my load balancer. now, when i reboot the load balancer, i can see both interfaces in inconfig, and can ping them, but it doesn't ping the router anymore!! what could be the issue?? |
| 18:29.16 | cesurasean | 2 diffeerent network cards, too. |
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| 18:30.26 | dirtycookie1 | hello guys, i wanted to ask if someone can help me with mirroring websites with wget? |
| 18:30.28 | cesurasean | fuck. |
| 18:30.35 | cesurasean | rebooted the machine again, and it works now. lol |
| 18:31.04 | MarteleiroRoboc | hi dirtycookie1 what happened? |
| 18:31.05 | jhutchins | debiannoob: Not sure what your issue might be. Looks like VLC might be missing some parts, but I don't know VLC very well. I would suggest you try mplayer - it works more often than VLC (which usually isn't bad). |
| 18:32.26 | debiannoob | p |
| 18:32.29 | debiannoob | ok |
| 18:32.39 | dirtycookie1 | MarteleiroRoboc: i want to mirror a website for offline reading since we have here not a good connection. I tried the following "wget -mk www.linuxtobedia.org" |
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| 18:32.50 | debiannoob | tries mplayer |
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| 18:34.07 | dirtycookie1 | MarteleiroRoboc:is for me the 1st time mirroring a site so be easy :) |
| 18:34.51 | jhutchins | dirtycookie1: You should probably start out by reading man wget |
| 18:35.49 | dirtycookie1 | jhutchins: i actually did that and i get only one page, then i tried with mirror depth |
| 18:36.20 | dirtycookie1 | jhutchins: and didnt work |
| 18:36.22 | StephenS | ps auxwww | grep sendmail |
| 18:36.22 | StephenS | root 3760 0.0 0.0 3176 708 pts/0 R+ 21:36 0:00 grep sendmail |
| 18:36.30 | StephenS | is this mean that my server mail is running? |
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| 18:36.42 | ompaul | no |
| 18:37.06 | ksk | theres no wine package for testing? whats my mistake? :> |
| 18:37.15 | ompaul | ksk: thinking there is one! |
| 18:37.15 | StephenS | ompaul ? |
| 18:37.21 | jordanm | !why is wine not in testing |
| 18:37.22 | dpkg | wine is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=wine |
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| 18:37.41 | ompaul | StephenS: it does not mean you have a mail server running, ps auwx | grep exim |
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| 18:37.46 | ompaul | or postfix |
| 18:37.52 | ompaul | StephenS: you have to have one of them |
| 18:37.55 | ksk | mhmkay, thanks O_ |
| 18:37.56 | ksk | o |
| 18:37.57 | jhutchins | dirtycookie1: Since the first three examples in the manpage show the missing option for recursive retrieval, I really have to question whether you read it. |
| 18:37.59 | StephenS | root 3795 0.0 0.0 3176 708 pts/0 R+ 21:37 0:00 grep exim |
| 18:38.38 | StephenS | ?? |
| 18:39.01 | jordanm | StephenS: netstat -lnp | awk '/:25/ {print $NF}' |
| 18:39.21 | StephenS | 9575/xinetd |
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| 18:39.34 | jordanm | StephenS: are you running debian? |
| 18:39.42 | StephenS | no |
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| 18:39.49 | ompaul | StephenS: you notice something you get grep back this is your search command try this | ps auwx | grep fgrep exin |
| 18:39.53 | dirtycookie1 | jhutchins: thanks for the tip, to be honest i didnt read the manpage in depth |
| 18:40.03 | jordanm | StephenS: what are you running? |
| 18:40.14 | StephenS | #centos |
| 18:40.16 | ompaul | StephenS: so why are you asking people in a debian support channel? |
| 18:40.21 | StephenS | but my personal pc is debian |
| 18:40.33 | ompaul | so join #centos |
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| 18:40.58 | ompaul | we don't do rpm for fun or any reason that makes even a jot of sense |
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| 18:41.51 | jordanm | I don't think any debian packaged mailservers run over xinetd by default either |
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| 18:42.25 | jordanm | although, that regex wasn't great, could have matched 25x |
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| 18:43.32 | StephenS | lol it works now |
| 18:43.53 | StephenS | i enabled qmail and all emails which should be sent were in queue and now I have 10+ emails from my server lol :D |
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| 18:53.03 | indigo__ | can anyone suggest a way to query information about sata devices, or all physical hard drives? Specifically, device name, serial number, size, etc? |
| 18:53.26 | papsky | hdparm |
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| 18:53.58 | indigo__ | does hdparm have a way to list all devices? |
| 18:54.21 | DanDare | indigo__, fdisk -l |
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| 18:54.28 | DanDare | then hdparm each of them |
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| 18:55.03 | indigo__ | fdisk is no good, because it looks on all block devices (of which there are many - md raid, lvm, etc) and it lists partitions, not physical disk information |
| 18:55.05 | DanDare | like hdparm -I /dev/hda1 etc |
| 18:55.29 | Guest15630 | indigo__: "hwinfo --ide" + "smartctl -a /dev/sdX" ? (adjust accordingly) |
| 18:55.36 | MarteleiroRoboc | l7-filter, isnt working.. kn: 2.6.32-5 - iptables v1.4.8 - compiled with imq and l7 support. http://paste.debian.net/147334 Anyone help? :) |
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| 18:56.14 | fragy | Hi all. I have a terrible problem that I can't fix. I have a FX 5700 graphic card and I'm trying to install NVIDIA's drivers. I've tried the suggestions on http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=191&t=82424 , I've tried sgfxi, I've tried the drivers from NVIDIA's site, but I still, ALWAYS get a blinking cursor! I really really have no idea what to do. Distro: LMDE, kernel version: 3.0.0-1-486. Please help. |
| 18:56.15 | papsky | now you have two funky assed options |
| 18:56.20 | jordanm | indigo__: for i in /dev/sd[a-z]; do hdparm -I "$i"; done # maybe |
| 18:56.26 | papsky | go and sin no more |
| 18:56.37 | arietis | hi, i'm trying to upgrade my Debian ARM installation and getting such error /var/lib/dpkg/info/install-info.postinst: 36: update-info-dir: not found |
| 18:56.38 | jordanm | !tell fragy about lmde |
| 18:56.57 | jordanm | ,versions install-ifno |
| 18:56.59 | judd | No package named 'install-ifno' was found in i386. |
| 18:57.00 | jordanm | ,versions install-info |
| 18:57.01 | judd | Package: install-info on i386 -- lenny-backports: 4.13a.dfsg.1-5~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.13a.dfsg.1-6; sid: 4.13a.dfsg.1-8; wheezy: 4.13a.dfsg.1-8 |
| 18:58.16 | jordanm | arietis: does the file /usr/sbin/update-info-dir exist? |
| 18:58.16 | fragy | I'm not sure I understand. |
| 18:58.46 | papsky | I am guessing indigo__ has entered the exciting world of hdparm. I predict benchtestint of read/write to take place imminently |
| 18:59.04 | papsky | s/benchtestint/benchtesting |
| 18:59.13 | arietis | jordanm: yes, should i paste it? |
| 18:59.13 | Guest15630 | fragy: This channel is #debian and LMDE is not supported here, but in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org |
| 18:59.14 | jordanm | fragy: we don't support lmde here. you need to goto #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org |
| 18:59.45 | jordanm | arietis: no, is /usr/sbin/ in your $PATH? |
| 19:00.27 | fragy | I've asked there, but they don't know :S |
| 19:00.51 | arietis | jordanm: ok, thanks, i solved problem |
| 19:01.01 | fragy | So I've come here since LMDE is Debian compatible |
| 19:01.12 | jordanm | arietis: what was it? |
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| 19:01.36 | arietis | jordanm: forgot to add this path to PATH variable |
| 19:01.49 | babilen | fragy: It is not supported here. You are welcome to install Debian and ask us for help though :) |
| 19:02.04 | fragy | darn |
| 19:02.23 | ChibaPet | You'll likely have a good experience running Debian directly, fragy. It's very pleasant. |
| 19:02.32 | ChibaPet | There's a reason so many people base their software on it. |
| 19:02.33 | papsky | I'd take babilen's suggestion |
| 19:02.39 | papsky | and ChibaPet's seconding |
| 19:03.38 | papsky | go to the source, young man. You will never look back. Plus chicks dig guys who use Debian |
| 19:03.41 | papsky | proven |
| 19:03.46 | babilen | fragy: Seriously, we just can not support derivates for a multitude of reasons. Don't take it personally and we will try our best to make your Debian experience as pleasant as possible, but LMDE is just not supported here. |
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| 19:04.34 | fragy | babilen, you could help me if you wanted. |
| 19:04.49 | papsky | He/she did. They gave you the best advice you could get |
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| 19:06.09 | ChibaPet | fragy, while that's a true statement, I share the opinion that Debian will be better with more people using and looking at it, whereas I have no emotional involvement with distributions that stand on Debian's back. |
| 19:06.31 | stevieman | I just had to reboot my squeeze server after some updates and a drive check was run. fsck failed with a code 8 and posted this error: Filesystem mounted or opened exclusively by another program. I'm not sure how that could be the case as the fsck was forced during bootup because it's been 234 days since the last check. |
| 19:07.06 | stevieman | The deive is not mounted as I tried a umount /dev/sda (which is the offending drive) |
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| 19:07.31 | ChibaPet | stevieman, in another direction - do you have back-ups? |
| 19:07.43 | stevieman | I cannot run a e2fsck /dev/sda as I get the same message |
| 19:08.02 | stevieman | ChibaPet: of course |
| 19:08.08 | ChibaPet | good, good |
| 19:08.12 | babilen | :-D |
| 19:08.19 | jordanm | stevieman: load up a livecd and perform the fsck from there |
| 19:08.26 | stevieman | ChibaPet: Not good good ;) |
| 19:08.41 | slonsiki | You can not run fsck on a drive, only on a partition... /dev/sda1 ??? |
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| 19:08.55 | arietis | which package should i use if i want to set up AFP server? |
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| 19:09.07 | jordanm | stevieman: if you just need it up now, you can alter the time for fsck with tune2fs |
| 19:09.21 | babilen | recommends debian live's rescue image or GRML |
| 19:09.22 | stevieman | slonsiki: Thats what I thought but it's telling me the problem is sda not sda1 |
| 19:10.14 | slonsiki | hmmm hard to tell, not there, w/o more hands on info. |
| 19:10.19 | jordanm | stevieman: do you have a filesystem on /dev/sda rather than a partition? is there something wrong with your /etc/fstab? |
| 19:10.21 | jhutchins | stevieman: WHich release is this? |
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| 19:10.38 | jordanm | jhutchins: squeeze was mentioned |
| 19:10.43 | stevieman | I'm running Squeeze |
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| 19:11.08 | jhutchins | Ah, so it was. Is it possible something tried to parallelize itself with fsck? |
| 19:11.20 | jhutchins | stevieman: Where did it leave you? |
| 19:11.41 | stevieman | jordanm: Nothing wrong with fstab, I checked that. as for the file system I'm not sure |
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| 19:11.53 | stevieman | jhutchins: It dumped me to a root terminal |
| 19:12.02 | MarteleiroRoboc | stevieman What partition apears? /dev/sdxx? generally, a message is diplayed.. "please press control + d" bla bla bla. |
| 19:12.05 | jhutchins | stevieman: Have you tried running fsck from a live CD? |
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| 19:12.16 | slonsiki | what does /etc/mtab says bout the sda drive partitions? |
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| 19:12.42 | stevieman | MarteleiroRoboc: the message just mentions /dev/sda |
| 19:12.55 | stevieman | jhutchins: Just grabbing a live CD now |
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| 19:16.01 | MarteleiroRoboc | shift +page up |
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| 19:16.36 | jhutchins_lt | stevieman: Actually, before you reboot, do a hard shutdown and check all of the cables. |
| 19:17.06 | stevieman | slonsiki: let me go check, |
| 19:17.33 | stevieman | slonsiki: There is nothing in mtab regarding /dev/sda |
| 19:18.02 | stevieman | Thank goodness there is nothing of real importance on the drive |
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| 19:18.41 | babilen | stevieman: ... and you have backups anyway |
| 19:18.42 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, if the drive failed to mount it wouldn't be in mtab. Sounds like it's in initramfs. |
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| 19:19.28 | stevieman | babilen: that I do..... still |
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| 19:20.29 | jhutchins_lt | I agree with the implication that the hardware is suspect. |
| 19:20.56 | MarteleiroRoboc | stevieman Look up, press shift + page up. |
| 19:21.14 | MarteleiroRoboc | There another message and it appears a partition with trouble. |
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| 19:21.59 | slonsiki | stevieman: are there devices in your /dev directory for your sda[1,2,3,...] scsi devices? |
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| 19:22.30 | rubin110_ | I'm resizing partitions within an LVM. |
| 19:22.47 | rubin110_ | I've already resized the ext4 parition to something smaller. |
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| 19:23.12 | rubin110_ | Is there a way to display the exact size of the parition that the LVM cares about? |
| 19:23.44 | stevieman | slonsiki: sda, sda1, sda2 |
| 19:24.33 | stevieman | MerteleiroRoboc: shift + page up? What am I looking for exactly? |
| 19:24.36 | slonsiki | stevieman: well that closes that possibility... |
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| 19:26.20 | jordanm | rubin110_: "pvs" |
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| 19:27.48 | rubin110_ | jordanm: No, so I've got an LVM, in that LVM I have a root, home, and some other things. |
| 19:27.57 | rubin110_ | Each of those partitions are ext4. |
| 19:28.15 | jordanm | rubin110_: "lvs" |
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| 19:28.23 | rubin110_ | I've resized the ext4 partition for home down from what I thought was 93GB to what I think now is 92GB. |
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| 19:28.54 | rubin110_ | When I mount home and do a df -h I see that it's 91GB now. |
| 19:29.00 | jordanm | rubin110_: ext filesystem techincally do not support shrinking, but it is possible |
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| 19:29.12 | slonsiki | stevieman: one more thing are there sda? entries in your /etc/fstab? |
| 19:29.21 | indigo__ | what? ext totally supports shrinking. |
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| 19:29.24 | rubin110_ | jordanm: Welp you're the first to inform me of that. :P |
| 19:29.48 | rubin110_ | Anyhow, I thought that partition was using up all of the available space the LVM was providing. |
| 19:30.08 | rubin110_ | When I do a lvdisplay I see that the volume was actually 93.70 GB |
| 19:30.28 | indigo__ | rubin110_: there is the size of the filesystem, and the size of the device it's on. They are not the same thing. |
| 19:30.32 | stevieman | slonsiki: There is one, /dev/sda /srv/samba/software\040library ext4 defaults, errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 19:31.01 | jordanm | rubin110_: ext reserves blocks (by default), which is not displayed in df |
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| 19:31.38 | rubin110_ | indigo__: Yes, I'm understanding that now, but I want to know what to resize the LVM logical volume down to that wont accidentally shave off more of the actual home parition. |
| 19:31.41 | jordanm | rubin110_: tune2fs -l <device> |
| 19:31.42 | indigo__ | there's something in e2fsprogs that will tell you more about the filesystem than df will. |
| 19:31.50 | slonsiki | stevieman: thats your problem, you have no partitions declared... you cannot mount a raw device as a filesystem, only a partition. |
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| 19:32.49 | rubin110_ | jordanm: Erm, can I feed lvs block size? |
| 19:33.00 | rubin110_ | er lvreduce |
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| 19:33.13 | stevieman | slonsiki: True, and not to argue but it's been that way since I inherited the server and it's been rebooted since with no messages..... and the drive has been working fine |
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| 19:34.04 | l3on | Hi all... someone could try to run: "perl -e 'use Image::Magick'" ? |
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| 19:34.13 | slonsiki | stevieman: mine has lines like:" /dev/sda1 /mount_dir (ie., /) /ext3 defaults 0 0" |
| 19:34.28 | l3on | you need to install perlmagick package before.. |
| 19:34.48 | stevieman | slonsiki: well I'll go try sda1 and see what happens and then sda2 if 1 doesn't work |
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| 19:34.58 | jordanm | rubin110_: you can give it a size in bytes. standard block size on ext4 is 4096, so your total size is total blocks * 4096 |
| 19:35.16 | slonsiki | stevieman: you can only mount a filesystem on a partition device! |
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| 19:35.20 | indigo__ | tune2fs -l /dev/device will display the block size |
| 19:36.03 | jordanm | l3on: it will fail on any system that does not have perlmagick installed |
| 19:36.23 | l3on | jordanm, I now... :) could you try to install it and run that command? |
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| 19:36.43 | stevieman | slonsiki: right, so if /dev/sda is wrong then perhaps it should be /dev/sda1 or /dev/sda2 |
| 19:37.14 | jordanm | l3on: it works |
| 19:37.24 | l3on | ah ok, strange... in Precise I've problem. |
| 19:37.30 | slonsiki | stevieman: right, but there has to be a system to boot on one of these! |
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| 19:37.52 | jordanm | l3on: what version of debian are you on? |
| 19:38.02 | stevieman | slonsiki: yep, if it doesn't work then I've got bigger problems I think. |
| 19:38.04 | l3on | jordanm, it's ubuntu/precise |
| 19:38.20 | jordanm | !tell l3on about ubunut |
| 19:38.22 | jordanm | !tell l3on about ubuntu |
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| 19:38.47 | l3on | jordanm, you're so nice.. I'm here to understand if Debian has the same problem at runtime -.- |
| 19:38.57 | slonsiki | stevieman: then you need to use the CD to partition, and put a filesystem on the partition. |
| 19:40.02 | slonsiki | stevieman: you should be able to boot your distribution CD and see what is on your partitions... |
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| 19:40.13 | woshty | is there a debian arm channel on freenode? |
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| 19:40.38 | stevieman | slonsiki: ok, well I'm Dl'ing a live cd right now. |
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| 19:41.08 | battlepotc | the cd1 has the iproute2 and wpa_supplicant and wireless tools included? |
| 19:41.14 | rubin110_ | Is there no way to have lvreduce automatically figure out how much to shrink based off of the current ext4 parition? |
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| 19:44.17 | TheWarden | Hi |
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| 19:45.02 | slonsiki | stevieman: Thats good, you need some visibility of whats in your /dev/sda partition, if anything and whether there are partitions and a filesystems... Its hard being blind... |
| 19:45.08 | TheWarden | I'm trying to connect to a Windows share and I keep getting the following error message, "mount: //192.168.0.10/c/WP_Data/Adam/backups is not a valid block device". However the same command works fine on another Debian system only difference that I can tell is one is 64-bit and the other is 32-bit. |
| 19:45.43 | TheWarden | I'm running mount -t cifs //192.168.0.10/c/WP_Data/Adam/backups -o rw,username='ServerWin7',password=easy "/mnt/backups" |
| 19:46.22 | TheWarden | I've kept things simple to ensure its works... as I said it works fine via other Debian systems just not this 64-bit one. All other systems are 32-bit installs. |
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| 19:46.59 | TheWarden | I've done some searching online but I've come up empty. Every thing I find is pointing to an issue that is not applicable to me. |
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| 19:48.18 | Mmike | why does /dev/md0 changes to /dev/md127 after reboot? |
| 19:48.30 | indigo__ | anyone know of a good utility to grill a disk for io errors? |
| 19:48.32 | slonsiki | stevieman: back around 5pm Pacific Time... |
| 19:48.48 | Justin | indigo__: grill? |
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| 19:49.15 | indigo__ | Justin: you know...test extensively, for failures that maybe are hard to reproduce. |
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| 19:49.36 | Justin | indigo__: stressapptest |
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| 19:50.12 | Justin | or if it is a blank did, you can simply run badblocks |
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| 19:53.50 | spoq | i got a little debian. |
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| 19:54.13 | spoq | in my pants. |
| 19:54.21 | spoq | wanna see me doing a the naked dance/ |
| 19:54.22 | spoq | ? |
| 19:55.01 | nathwill | spoq: no thank you |
| 19:55.16 | spoq | how come? |
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| 19:55.48 | Pip | spoq, :-) |
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| 20:00.48 | jmd | Debian keeps telling me that my battery is damaged. How can I tell if that is actually correct or if it is just debian being not very intelligent. |
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| 20:01.34 | jmburgess | hello I am running debian squeeze and am trying to httpd streaming working. When I play a (flac) song I get this error in the error log output: Failed to open "My HTTP Stream" [httpd]: error initializing vorbis encoder |
| 20:01.42 | jmburgess | sorry this is in mpd |
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| 20:03.46 | peterrooney | jmd: Brute force approach: pull out a voltmeter; 'shutdown -h now' followed by pulling out the battery. Problems keeping time without using ntp are a good litmus test. |
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| 20:08.53 | xConMz | hi |
| 20:08.56 | xConMz | I need some help |
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| 20:09.29 | xConMz | Apache/PHP5 isn't installing |
| 20:09.31 | xConMz | http://pastebin.com/N4rgDjC4 |
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| 20:13.51 | nkuttler | xConMz: dpkg -l vzctl |
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| 20:14.57 | nkuttler | xConMz: and dpkg -l vzquota |
| 20:15.36 | jmburgess | has anyone gotten mpd with httpd streaming to work? |
| 20:15.42 | xConMz | root@Server4:~# dpkg -l vzctl |
| 20:15.42 | xConMz | No packages found matching vzctl. |
| 20:15.42 | xConMz | root@Server4:~# dpkg -l vzquota |
| 20:15.42 | xConMz | No packages found matching vzquota. |
| 20:15.42 | xConMz | root@Server4:~# |
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| 20:15.47 | xConMz | mhm |
| 20:15.53 | nkuttler | !tell xConMz about paste |
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| 20:16.21 | xConMz | root@Server4:~# dpkg -l vzctl |
| 20:16.21 | xConMz | No packages found matching vzctl. |
| 20:16.27 | abrotman | are you kidding me? |
| 20:16.37 | xConMz | ehh? |
| 20:16.45 | Mmike | `umount -a` is very stupid thing to do on a running system |
| 20:17.01 | raven | i have following "ACPI Error: A valid RSDP was not found (20090903/tbxfroot-219)" - what is that and how to solve that? |
| 20:17.06 | nkuttler | xConMz: well read the errors. the mess starts with complaints about vz* init scripts.. so if you don't have those packages installed get rid of them |
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| 20:21.29 | raven | i have following "ACPI Error: A valid RSDP was not found (20090903/tbxfroot-219)" - what is that and how to solve that? |
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| 20:25.23 | somiaj | raven: have you tried google, I get a good number of hits with the first part of that error (ignoring the 2009*tbx* part) |
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| 20:27.59 | raven | somiaj, oh me too but not the "good solution" |
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| 20:29.11 | somiaj | Well that is where I would continue to look. Keep reading though the forums/mailing list hits until you get some useful info. |
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| 20:29.24 | somiaj | raven: this is for what kernel and what version of debian? |
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| 20:32.13 | arietis | anyone experienced with Netatalk? i have error "Something wrong with the volume's CNID DB, using temporary CNID DB instead.Check server messages for details. Switching to read-only mode." when connecting to the server |
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| 20:33.03 | jhutchins_lt | arietis: Probably ought to check the server. |
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| 20:33.44 | jhutchins_lt | I thought there was some sort of explanation on the renewal instructions. |
| 20:34.09 | jhutchins_lt | That would've made sense if it had been in the right channel. |
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| 20:37.02 | joker_ | hi people, anyone has tried to upgrade to 3.0 linux kernel under debian? |
| 20:37.18 | ZekeS | what's your issue? |
| 20:38.16 | joker_ | no issues, I'm wondering if someone has got some problem in this upgrade, or if it's safe |
| 20:38.28 | abrotman | joker_: in which version of Debian ? |
| 20:38.43 | joker_ | squeeze |
| 20:39.02 | ZekeS | joker_: I upgraded from squeeze to wheezy on my old ibook g3 and it worked mostly fine |
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| 20:39.23 | abrotman | i think the udev is incompatible in squeeze, so you'd have to compile everything in .. in reality .. if everything works now, don't mess with it |
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| 20:40.35 | joker_ | <ZekeS> is wheezy the last version of debian? May I simply upgrade to it by apt-get packages, or have i to reinstall it all? |
| 20:41.04 | ZekeS | wheezy is testing - there are instructions on how to upgrade on the debian site |
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| 20:41.52 | joker_ | <ZekeS> cool, i'll try it! thank you:) |
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| 20:43.34 | dwfreed | ,versions libconfig |
| 20:43.35 | judd | No package named 'libconfig' was found in i386. |
| 20:43.45 | ZekeS | joker_: just make sure to read the release notes et. al for any gotchas that may arise (i.e. needing to add pata_macio to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules for older macs) |
| 20:43.49 | dwfreed | err |
| 20:43.51 | dwfreed | ,versions libconfig8 |
| 20:43.52 | judd | Package: libconfig8 on i386 -- sid: 1.3.2-2; squeeze: 1.3.2-2; wheezy: 1.3.2-2 |
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| 20:45.28 | NET||abuse | hi guys, just got a debian 6.0 image installed, the sources.list has mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main and that's throwing lots of 404's on update /upgrade |
| 20:45.48 | joker_ | <ZekeS> umh, yes...it is a testing version, of course:) i'll care of it:) |
| 20:45.48 | NET||abuse | this is on a VM hosting companies default 6.0 image |
| 20:46.01 | NET||abuse | is this repo a dud in debian now? |
| 20:46.54 | NET||abuse | in http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/main/ there seems to be some stuff, but not alot |
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| 20:47.05 | NET||abuse | what should i do with this situation? |
| 20:47.17 | abrotman | dwfreed: you can msg the bot also |
| 20:47.40 | abrotman | NET||abuse: only stuff before it gets updated |
| 20:47.47 | dwfreed | abrotman: heh, laziness :) |
| 20:47.49 | abrotman | NET||abuse: you don't require that Repo |
| 20:47.54 | abrotman | dwfreed: try not to be |
| 20:48.17 | NET||abuse | abrotman: sorry, i don't quite understand what you mean there? |
| 20:48.56 | NET||abuse | so only stuff before squeeze-updates, as in things that come from main, that get updates, have things appear in squeeze-updates, and so i can actually comment out the updates repo |
| 20:49.01 | abrotman | !proposed-updates |
| 20:49.02 | dpkg | stable-proposed-updates is a repository containing packages being prepared for the next <point release>. They require extensive testing before being accepted, but these can be acquired and used to test upcoming/fixed packages. They may also cause problems. http://www.debian.org/releases/proposed-updates http://release.debian.org/proposed-updates/stable.html . See also <testing-proposed-updates>. |
| 20:49.21 | gregor3005 | hi, i'm new in debian (normally centos and fedora) i added a new network interface in /etc/network/interfaces but now the boot stucks on "starting nfs common utilities: statd". how is it possible that nfs stuck when i add a new network interface. i testet the config on the running system with /etc/init.d/network stop/start now after reboot i get this problem |
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| 20:49.43 | NET||abuse | abrotman: ? is that at me? squeeze-updates isn't the same as proposed-updates is it? |
| 20:50.14 | figure002 | hello! can anyone tell me if it's possible to install Debian next to Ubuntu without overwriting the GRUB? |
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| 20:51.14 | abrotman | yes |
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| 20:51.25 | abrotman | NET||abuse: i think one is proposed, one has actually happened ? |
| 20:51.28 | guardian1 | hello my debian box is successfully configured with exim4 and dovecot. do you think i need to install spamassassin? |
| 20:51.29 | Dulak | figure002: depends on what you mean, to be able to boot the debian you'll need the grub config updated to show it, but you don't have to reinstall grub to the mbr or anything |
| 20:51.30 | nkuttler | figure002: just skip the step during install |
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| 20:52.12 | figure002 | Dulak: i intend on updating GRUP from Ubuntu |
| 20:52.15 | NET||abuse | abrotman: thanks for that, the next issue is this image on apt-get clean/update/upgrade, want's to upgrade linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 |
| 20:52.23 | figure002 | nkuttler: great, thanks! |
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| 20:52.38 | NET||abuse | now i know from this being my second run atthe VM setup, that upgrading the kernel will break the Xen support and the instance won't boot |
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| 20:52.47 | NET||abuse | how can I prevent kernel upgrade |
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| 20:54.12 | NET||abuse | hmm, and even after commenting out the mirrors.kernel.org/debian squeeze-updates i get 404 from the kernel.org debian main repo for screen |
| 20:54.15 | NET||abuse | Err http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ squeeze/main screen amd64 4.0.3-14 404 Not Found |
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| 20:55.02 | NET||abuse | hmm, arch... is the kernel.org repo not supporting the 64bit packages? |
| 20:55.15 | abrotman | did you aptitude update ? |
| 20:55.19 | NET||abuse | yup, |
| 20:55.25 | NET||abuse | apt-get clean; update; upgrade |
| 20:55.30 | NET||abuse | or in this case, install screen |
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| 20:56.28 | NET||abuse | abrotman: i noticed this issue on my first attempt to work on this VM on Saturday |
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| 20:57.53 | zelvosaur | Hello. Is there some magical tool that would allow me to run 64 bit applications in a 32 bit system? |
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| 20:58.34 | peterrooney | That would be rather magical. |
| 20:58.35 | NET||abuse | zelvosaur: in the 'buntu kiddie world I hail from, there's the ia32 libraries package |
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| 20:58.52 | abrotman | NET||abuse: wrong way |
| 20:59.02 | NET||abuse | abrotman: i figured :) |
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| 20:59.26 | abrotman | zelvosaur: qemu .. slow .. have fun |
| 20:59.55 | guardian1 | hello my debian box is successfully configured with exim4 and dovecot. do you think i need to install spamassassin? i was looking at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSpamAssassin but it says page is outdated |
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| 21:00.17 | zelvosaur | I though it was impossible, but asked just to be sure. Thanks anyway :) |
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| 21:02.53 | figure002 | i want to use the latest software in Debian; should I install Debian Testing? |
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| 21:03.57 | fasta | How do I install the Sun java plugin on Debian? I already followed whatever Google has thrown at me. |
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| 21:04.51 | NET||abuse | fasta: thing the open java isa now compliant |
| 21:04.54 | fasta | Or what is its package name in unstable nowadays? |
| 21:05.10 | fasta | NET||abuse: I have never seen the open version work. |
| 21:05.35 | fasta | NET||abuse: and as it didn't work to start with, it still didn't 5 minutes ago. |
| 21:05.52 | abrotman | fasta: sun java has been removed because oraacle scrweed up the license |
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| 21:06.15 | fasta | abrotman: so, can I still download it from them? |
| 21:06.24 | fasta | abrotman: or do they want my money too? |
| 21:06.31 | abrotman | i suppose so .. i have no idea |
| 21:06.46 | NET||abuse | fasta: debian 5 or 6? |
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| 21:06.51 | fasta | NET||abuse: sid |
| 21:07.06 | NET||abuse | i can see on my 6 box, open-jdk should be the right version |
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| 21:08.10 | TheWarden | begins pulling his hair out in frustration |
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| 21:09.22 | TheWarden | says to him self 4 damns hours to get a simple connection to a Windows Share and still it doesn't work |
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| 21:10.01 | abrotman | it's not that hard? |
| 21:10.20 | fasta | TheWarden: which Windows version? |
| 21:10.41 | TheWarden | apparently it is, I've never had this much trouble in the past but it just will not work. It works find via two other systems but not on the latest one I setup with Debian 6.0.3 64-bit |
| 21:10.43 | fasta | abrotman: that depends on the edge case. |
| 21:10.49 | TheWarden | fasta: Windows 7 Pro |
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| 21:11.01 | fasta | TheWarden: NTFS? |
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| 21:11.24 | fasta | TheWarden: that should be a matter of reading the documentation or following a tutorial. |
| 21:11.43 | abrotman | TheWarden: is Win7 the server or client ? |
| 21:11.47 | TheWarden | fasta: this is the command I'm running sudo mount -t cifs //192.168.0.10/c/WP_Data/Adam/backups -o rw,username='ServerWin7',password=easy "/mnt/backups" it works fine on two other sytems except this one. I get "mount: //192.168.0.10/c/WP_Data/Adam/backups is not a valid block device" |
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| 21:12.25 | fasta | TheWarden: two other Linux systems?> |
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| 21:13.24 | TheWarden | fasta: lol oh how I've heard that before, it doesn't always apply. Yes NTFS |
| 21:13.33 | TheWarden | abrotman: client |
| 21:13.42 | abrotman | i see that now |
| 21:14.12 | TheWarden | fasta: yes I have two other systems running Debian but they are 32-bit systems. I even went as far as to compare packages for packages but still nothing and still no solution searching online thus far. |
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| 21:14.46 | TheWarden | I tried to simplify the issue buy using smbclient but I get "tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME" even on the systems that the mount command works fine with. |
| 21:15.00 | kurkale6ka | Hi, what should I do if I want to switch from stable to testing? |
| 21:15.04 | abrotman | can you even list the share with smblicent ? |
| 21:15.08 | abrotman | smbclient |
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| 21:16.25 | TheWarden | abrotman: I tried doing smbclient //192.168.0.10/c/WP_Data/Adam/backups -U ServerWin7 -L but I get the same message, "tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAM". |
| 21:17.13 | TheWarden | abrotman: but keep in mind though I'm able to connect into the share just fine via the Debian 32-bit systems using the mount command, see above the exact command I ran. |
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| 21:17.52 | TheWarden | the idea is that this mount command is ran to transfer backup files and then is unmounts the share. |
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| 21:22.23 | fasta | TheWarden: if you have it debugged that far, it is time to tell the Samba mailing list. |
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| 21:40.06 | mstrcnvs | is it a bad idea to mix-up ubuntu lucid's ppa into debian squeeze? |
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| 21:41.00 | nathwill | mstrcnvs: yep |
| 21:41.12 | mstrcnvs | nathwill: even if no things get broken? |
| 21:41.46 | nkuttler | mstrcnvs: yes |
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| 21:42.03 | mstrcnvs | why? |
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| 21:42.51 | fasta | Is there any photo printing service which accepts sftp connections? |
| 21:43.19 | fasta | It appears that the whole industry is ... retarded. |
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| 21:43.49 | fasta | I saw something mentioning Flickr, but that isn't even on the same continent. |
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| 21:44.10 | oneironaut | I've added this http://pastebin.com/UKLj6rSg to my jail.local and created this (http://pastebin.com/qTdgkqhL) get-http-dos.conf in /etc/fail2ban/filter.d/ but my get-http-dos is not working |
| 21:44.18 | oneironaut | can anyone help me please? |
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| 21:45.42 | mstrcnvs | putaria do caralho |
| 21:45.45 | mstrcnvs | oops |
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| 21:49.56 | honschu | Is this correct enlish? "For XX=123 its function bla() needs correct count and type of arguments" oder do I have to write "types"? |
| 21:50.35 | ChibaPet | type is correct, but the overall construction is somewhat awkward. |
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| 21:51.08 | honschu | ChibaPet: Thanks. How would you describe it? |
| 21:51.42 | ChibaPet | The first thing I'd want to clear up is the relationship between XX=123 and bla(). What is the relationship? Then we can form the sentence. |
| 21:51.45 | abrotman | honschu: please go to ##english |
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| 21:52.02 | ChibaPet | honschu, /msg me and I'll help there. |
| 21:52.11 | abrotman | or #debian-offtopic, just not here |
| 21:52.26 | honschu | abrotman: ah ##english nice. thanks. sorry for ne noise. |
| 21:52.36 | abrotman | thank you |
| 21:53.03 | fasta | How can I remove the trust for some website using Java? |
| 21:53.23 | fasta | I am now using the open plugin which apparently does work for this fairly simple application. |
| 21:53.34 | I_Died_Once | i got a problem i cant figure out how to fix... just installed debian to an old emachine... when it boots up and gets to the X server, the monitor goes out of range/frequency. I have to CTRL + ALT + F1 to get to a console, kdm stop and kdm start THEN I get my desktop |
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| 21:54.06 | I_Died_Once | how do i go about diagnosing the problem so it goes straight to a working x server when i boot up? |
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| 21:55.20 | Justin | I_Died_Once: well, you could just have the system restart kdm after bootup :) |
| 21:55.25 | jelly-home | I_Died_Once: can you compare /var/log/Xorg.0.log of the first, bad, and a subsequent run |
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| 21:56.25 | mstrcnvs | /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old should be the bad |
| 21:56.29 | fasta | I fixed it myself. It appears that there is no UI to do it, though. |
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| 22:15.21 | edju | I used parted to delete sdb1 and resized sdb2 to fill the disk. How can I rename sdb2 to sdb1? |
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| 22:17.10 | mstrcnvs | where I can get a log of all those messages that appear when I'm botting up, so I can calmly read they? |
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| 22:26.33 | zykotick9 | mstrcnvs, have a look at /var/log/dmesg (/var/log/messages and /var/log/kern.log might also have applicable information) |
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| 22:31.09 | tharkun | Gentlemen I've been having a runaway mouse now and then when using Debian Squeeze, after a few seconds, 30 45 at the mosat i regain control over the mouse. Is there a known isue with the synaptic driver, or is there a standard procedure to debug this kind of isues? |
| 22:31.23 | mstrcnvs | zykotick9: thank you, everytime I boot I'm seeing a red "failed" but I can't read what failed, so I'm trying to lookup in those logs (: |
| 22:31.42 | babilen | !tell mstrcnvs -about bootlogd |
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| 22:33.02 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 22:33.25 | ZenWalker | I want change x session default to xfce |
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| 22:36.02 | surlyjake | does a .deb package include the line used for "./configure" anywhere? |
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| 22:37.19 | babilen | !tell surlyjake about debian/rules |
| 22:37.34 | babilen | !tell surlyjake about package recompile |
| 22:37.48 | tharkun | ZenWalker: On Squeeze select your username on the login screen and then select the WM you want to use. gdm3 will ask you if you want to set it as default |
| 22:38.04 | babilen | surlyjake: You need the source package though (apt-get source PKG) |
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| 22:40.14 | surlyjake | babilen: thanks |
| 22:40.55 | Benkinooby | i admit, i use ubuntu, but I'm sure debian shows the same behavior; hi, why do i need sodu rights for iwlist [interface] scanning? what harm can be done with allwoing ot for normal users? |
| 22:41.06 | Benkinooby | ot->it |
| 22:41.41 | babilen | Benkinooby: Only Debian is supported here ... install it and you are welcome to ask your questions in #debian |
| 22:42.35 | babilen | Benkinooby: You want #ubuntu until then |
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| 22:46.33 | Agiofws | hello |
| 22:46.35 | Agiofws | is there a special app that will wake up my laptop from suspend mode on a certain time ? |
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| 22:48.27 | nkuttler | Agiofws: afaik you could only do that by waking it up over the network |
| 22:49.00 | Agiofws | you can't do that with cron or something ? |
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| 22:49.21 | nkuttler | Agiofws: if the system is sleeping cron obviously isn't running.. |
| 22:49.30 | ZenWalker | tharkun: I use lightdm on wheezy |
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| 22:50.14 | Agiofws | http://www.osnews.com/story/24111/Wake_Your_Linux_Up_From_Sleep_for_a_Cron_Job ? |
| 22:50.19 | Benkinooby | the man pages for iwlist say, scanning requires root privileges, while other users can only read the left over information from a scan. why is only root allowed to scan? |
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| 22:52.04 | nkuttler | Agiofws: interesting.. so run a script from cron i guess that calculates the delay.. |
| 22:52.56 | babilen | Benkinooby: Seriously, you've asked in #ubuntu and just because you don't get an answer you are still not on-topic here. Please install Debian (/msg dpkg install debian) and come back. |
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| 22:53.15 | I_Died_Once | how do i, from the command line, change the permissions of everything in a folder (and its contents and other subfolders, their contents) to belong to a user instead of root? |
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| 22:53.30 | Ratty | I_Died_Once: chown -R ... |
| 22:53.43 | nkuttler | Agiofws: actually, no, can't use cron with that. but it looks like you can suspend the box with a script that calculates the length of the sleep.. |
| 22:53.43 | Ratty | chown -R aaron:users directory_name |
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| 22:53.55 | meLon | sudo chown user:group -R /dir/ |
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| 22:54.42 | tong_sam_chong | sudo chown user:group -Rv /dir/ for verbosity |
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| 22:55.04 | Agiofws | can i sync the hardware clock with the UTC ? |
| 22:55.04 | Agiofws | or do i have to log into bios ? |
| 22:56.01 | meLon | Agiofws: If you dpkg-reconfigure tzdata does that update your HW? |
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| 22:58.53 | meLon | Agiofws: http://linux.die.net/man/8/hwclock |
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| 22:59.07 | Agiofws | thnanks |
| 23:01.01 | Benkinooby | babilen, i guess the man pages of debian http://tinyurl.com/debian-iwlist-manpage are a good ground of asking this question. only because my interest in that question is invoced by an other distro, it doesn't mean its off-topic. i can understand, that you're not interested in answering ubuntu questions only because #ubuntu takes too much time... but as i pointed out, my question is a) valid for debian as well as ubuntu b) a general question |
| 23:01.01 | Benkinooby | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:02.22 | nkuttler | Benkinooby: too bad. this is a support channel. try ##linux |
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| 23:03.32 | Benkinooby | nkuttler, ok, thank you |
| 23:04.11 | mhall119 | Benkinooby: scanning requires making the device do something that, I think, will affect other users of the system |
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| 23:07.06 | Benkinooby | mhall119, hm, i allready guessed something in that way, but i couldn't think of any danger/risk how scanning with a wireless card could affect the rest of the system... anyway, my question was picked up on ##linux so i'll proceed my learning there . thank you for your hint though |
| 23:07.20 | mhall119 | np |
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| 23:08.29 | proxy1 | Hi, I can't find CONFIG_WIRELESS_EXT anywhere in menuconfig or .config. I need it to build my bcm4322 driver. |
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| 23:08.57 | mhall119 | Benkinooby: for what it's worth, I had an atheros card once that, if there were too many SSIDs within range, would timeout on a scan before seeing the currently connected SSID, return the list it had found before the timeout, and network-manager would think the current SSID was no longer available and disconnect me |
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| 23:09.42 | babilen | mhall119: seriously ... "/join #linux" and discuss it there. |
| 23:10.05 | mhall119 | babilen: sorry, just wanted to help him out |
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| 23:12.56 | Benkinooby | mhall119, thank you... I appreciate you efforts... if you have further interest, there's a bit of a discussion going on on ##linux as babilen pointed out |
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| 23:14.35 | babilen | Benkinooby: pm ok? |
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| 23:16.31 | Benkinooby | babilen, mhall119 already joined ##linux |
| 23:17.54 | I_Died_Once | ok, the suggestion someone gave me didint work - i added a kdm restart script into the autostart folder for kde and i got an endless loop of kde restarting |
| 23:18.23 | Justin | I_Died_Once: that would not be how to do that |
| 23:18.50 | Justin | adding /etc/init.d/kdm restart to /etc/rc.local would work |
| 23:18.57 | I_Died_Once | the problem is when i boot the computer up, the monitor goes out of range/frequency and the only way to use the computer is to CTRL + ALT + F1 to get a console, then manually kdm stop and kdm start |
| 23:19.59 | I_Died_Once | Justin, should I put it before or after the "exit 0" |
| 23:20.05 | Justin | before |
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| 23:22.40 | dym | What am I missing? I am running a dhcp, but another machine sending a DHCP request does not acquire an ip... http://pastebin.com/CmkATPtf |
| 23:22.43 | dym | any idea? |
| 23:23.25 | I_Died_Once | heh, i had to, very quickly, do a 'init 1' to get out of the kde restart loop |
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| 23:23.43 | I_Died_Once | then removed the restart kde script... added the line, restarting now |
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| 23:24.10 | fjd | I have a log containing a bunch of IPs. I want to remove every line containing 2 specific IPs. How can I do this? |
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| 23:24.32 | meLon | fjd: awk ? |
| 23:24.55 | Dulak | haha |
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| 23:25.20 | Dulak | Mmmm, I wonder why you would want to remove certain ips from a log file.... |
| 23:25.31 | Justin | fgrep -vw is fastest for removing ips |
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| 23:26.01 | fjd | Dulak: Because my Web server's log file contains about 50,000 hits, and 8,000 are from me. I want to remove those. |
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| 23:26.40 | Dulak | And your processor doesn't have a config entry for ignoring whatever ips/hosts/etc? |
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| 23:26.53 | fjd | Justin: Looks like it would be easier to use fgrep -- thanks. |
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| 23:29.32 | fjd | Dulak: No. |
| 23:29.43 | fjd | It can ignore user agents, but not specific IPs. |
| 23:30.00 | Dulak | What processor is it? |
| 23:30.07 | Strife89 | Sometimes, when I Safely Remove certain disks, I'll get dropped to a black screen and the Caps Lock and Scroll Lock lights will flash. Any idea what's going on? |
| 23:30.10 | fjd | Dulak: I'm dicking about with Webalizer. |
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| 23:30.18 | Justin | Strife89: kernel panic |
| 23:30.43 | Strife89 | This seems to always happen when Safely Removing a drive formatted as NTFS. If I simply unmount it and pull the plug, it's fine. |
| 23:31.17 | Justin | so don't do that? :) |
| 23:31.32 | Strife89 | Well, I'm deeply in the habit of using Safely Remove. |
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| 23:32.05 | Strife89 | And I have one disk (an external HDD) that doesn't properly power off unless Safely REmove is used. |
| 23:32.47 | Strife89 | I hear a small click and the drive whirring down if I unplug it early, so it concerns me. |
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| 23:34.16 | Dulak | fjd: wow that is kind of horrid, in the readme they even recommend using grep and a seperate file to do it. I didn't realize webalizer was that short-sighted. |
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| 23:34.42 | Strife89 | For reference, I'm running Squeeze 6.0.3 (just installed it yesterday, after a nasty bout with a 6.0.1 installation) |
| 23:34.44 | fjd | Dulak: I'm afraid I don't know if you're being sarcastic. |
| 23:35.22 | Dulak | fjd: only a little, the fact that you can't tell it to ignore your internal ips is pretty crappy, I thought webalizer was better than that. |
| 23:36.02 | Dulak | fjd: and the readme does say use grep and a seperate files to process instead of any type of config ignore |
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| 23:36.03 | fjd | Dulak: There's a modified version that can do it, but I figure learning how to do this myself now may come in handy in the future. |
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| 23:36.31 | fjd | It's my fault for not knowing regexp and not knowing how to use sed/awk/etc. |
| 23:36.51 | fjd | I guess I know what to read about tonight. :) |
| 23:38.04 | Dulak | fjd: you probably want to pull out every record into another file unless it matches, then you can automate that and process the file that doesn't have the records in question. So you want to match things in reverse. not this ip or that ip, rather than trying to pluck just those 2 ipo |
| 23:38.08 | Dulak | fjd: ips even |
| 23:38.49 | fjd | Dulak: Alright -- cheers. |
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| 23:43.56 | dirkson | Hey all. I've enabled the wrong thing with iptables. How do I make iptables stop? |
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| 23:45.32 | cthuluh | remove rules / flush'em all |
| 23:45.50 | shogunx | iptables -F wooosh! |
| 23:45.52 | adb | -h ... |
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| 23:46.44 | dirkson | shogunx: That's what I thought. Except that's the exact command that's got me locked out of the server. |
| 23:48.01 | amphi | not too great if policy is set to DROP |
| 23:48.41 | shogunx | indeed |
| 23:48.50 | Dulak | that's why you set a cron job that flushes your firewall to a known good state every 5 minutes before you go mucking about, just in case you lock yourself out |
| 23:49.04 | cthuluh | or use iptables-apply |
| 23:49.09 | dirkson | Dulak: I tried (And failed) to do that :D |
| 23:49.14 | cthuluh | or just get a clue about firewalls |
| 23:49.38 | civillian | cthuluh: everyone's done it before |
| 23:49.52 | meLon | Well, is it possible for you to reboot the machine? Normally startup loads good rules. Or did you modify the rules that get loaded dirkson |
| 23:50.04 | cthuluh | civillian: sure ; learning by error helps ;) |
| 23:50.09 | dirkson | meLon: I also thought that was the case, but a reboot did not help. |
| 23:50.16 | cthuluh | civillian: so far I didn't, by the way :P |
| 23:50.50 | Dulak | I have fat-fingered a rule and locked myself out even after 15 years of working with firewalls. It can happen to anybody, that's why I use my cronjob script whenever I am making changes. |
| 23:51.28 | meLon | So, you're having trouble with SSH? (You can't log in?) Is it possible for you to replace the rules with a good copy using ftp? |
| 23:51.31 | dirkson | I think I've figured out what I /did/, though. I think I set the input policy to drop, and then flushed the tables. Of course that's going to result in a lockout :D |
| 23:51.57 | meLon | (and then reboot :P) |
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| 23:52.16 | dirkson | meLon: Naw, I flubbed it harder than that. I've got a data center-type-person working on it, but I usually try to make their job as easy as I can. |
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| 23:53.57 | Dulak | dirkson: I have a very small set of rules in a script that set things correctly, then I test things in a seperate script even, with the cronjob running the known-good rules every 5 minutes. Once I know a change is not going to break things I will update the startup firewall files, and turn off the cronjob. |
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| 23:54.25 | Dulak | dirkson: for future reference obviously, because you are going to need console access to fix what you broke apparently |
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| 23:55.39 | dirkson | Dulak: Yeah. I think I should be able to set up something like that without too much issue. I /tried/ to do it this time, but failed - I told it to apply my changes, wait 30 seconds while I tested, then flush the rules. Worked fine during my test! Aaaand then the rules got flushed :D |
| 23:56.06 | meLon | work in a screen so if you dc it doesn't do that again ^ |
| 23:56.15 | Dulak | dirkson: yeah going from default accept to default drop will bite you like that for sure |
| 23:56.28 | dirkson | learns ^.^ |
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