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| 00:06.47 | I_Died_Once | I'm so glad this chatroom exists as I am having a plethora of problems |
| 00:07.10 | meLon | lol |
| 00:07.33 | I_Died_Once | can't install samba |
| 00:07.35 | I_Died_Once | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 00:07.35 | I_Died_Once | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:08.30 | I_Died_Once | it doesn't like the newer version, i reckon |
| 00:08.58 | jimmy_kash | I_Died_Once: hello |
| 00:09.14 | I_Died_Once | hi, jimmy_kash |
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| 00:10.40 | I_Died_Once | if i try to remove the libwbclient0 is will want to uninstall just about all of kde |
| 00:10.52 | I_Died_Once | **it will want to.... |
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| 00:12.45 | arietis | hi, is there a way to download iTunesU videos via debian console? |
| 00:13.01 | I_Died_Once | um, no |
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| 00:13.11 | I_Died_Once | proprietary software |
| 00:13.19 | arietis | :( |
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| 00:13.25 | I_Died_Once | (ITS NOT OPEN SOURCE!) |
| 00:13.29 | I_Died_Once | sorry, caps |
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| 00:13.32 | arietis | i understand |
| 00:13.40 | I_Died_Once | i can not say enough good stuff about juk |
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| 00:13.53 | I_Died_Once | juk is a nice mp3 and music manager |
| 00:14.08 | I_Died_Once | amarok was good before its last major overhaul |
| 00:14.34 | I_Died_Once | though, if i recall correctly, amarok had some sort of support for buying music |
| 00:14.37 | I_Died_Once | though i never did |
| 00:14.39 | arietis | i have file server so i just want to d/l videos from itunes directly to the server |
| 00:14.54 | arietis | with ssh |
| 00:14.55 | arietis | :D |
| 00:15.00 | meLon | This is why you don't give money to apple ^ |
| 00:15.08 | I_Died_Once | not positive that can be done |
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| 00:15.31 | meLon | https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/samba/2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze4 I_Died_Once |
| 00:15.33 | dirkson | Can anyone recommend a small irc daemon that's not horrific to configure? |
| 00:17.44 | I_Died_Once | meLon are you suggesting i build from source? |
| 00:17.53 | meLon | If you're not willing to properly configure an irc daemon, could you simply use a private #channel on an existing network? UnrealIRCd is pretty easy |
| 00:18.03 | meLon | dirkson: |
| 00:18.34 | I_Died_Once | dirkson xchat works right out of the box - save for setting your name |
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| 00:18.57 | meLon | He doesn't want a client, I_Died_Once |
| 00:19.51 | dirkson | meLon: That's the solution we've got now. It works fine, but we're considering a software upgrade that wouldn't allow that to work as well as it did in the past. I don't mind a certain amount of configuration, but given the choice between something that's mostly correctly set up and something that required 6 days and a metric hex wrench, I'll pick the simple one :D |
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| 00:21.02 | dirkson | Plus, many irc servers seem to have a lot of amazing features that we'd never use. SSL support, for example :D |
| 00:21.23 | meLon | but why use plain text when you can encrypt!?!? |
| 00:21.37 | dirkson | *laughs* YOU tell that to the users :D Doesn't work. |
| 00:23.31 | arietis | http://tunesviewer.sourceforge.net/ i have found this one but i don't have GUI, terminal only :( |
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| 00:38.26 | woshty | how do i change keyboardlayout in debian? and is there a quick way to do it onthefly? |
| 00:38.57 | jelly-home | !keymap |
| 00:38.58 | dpkg | Squeeze users: run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your console and X keymap. Lenny users: run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" to change the console keymap (use loadkeys for temporary adjustments) -- to change the X keymap, read "man xmodmap" and ask me about <xorg config lenny>; gnome-control-center and kcontrol can also be used. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
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| 00:39.39 | jelly-home | woshty: and setxkbmap for temporary changes in X in squeeze (and later) |
| 00:40.02 | jelly-home | setxkbmap is woefully undocumented tho |
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| 00:42.28 | woshty | how many keys does the "normal" us keyboard layout have? |
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| 00:44.48 | I_Died_Once | can someone help me resolve my dependency problem with samba? samba : Depends: libwbclient0 (= 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze4) but 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze5 is to be installed |
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| 00:45.15 | I_Died_Once | i really dont want to compile from source as was suggested and jack up my apt |
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| 00:45.28 | nevyn | who suggested building from source. |
| 00:45.42 | I_Died_Once | meLon |
| 00:46.19 | nevyn | so you seem to be half way through a mirror update |
| 00:46.41 | nevyn | ie your sameba is 3squeeze4 but your lib wbclient is 3squeeze5 |
| 00:46.43 | I_Died_Once | if i try to remove libwbclient0 it wants to remove just about all of kde |
| 00:46.50 | I_Died_Once | how do i fix that? |
| 00:46.52 | nevyn | that's not surprising. |
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| 00:47.06 | nevyn | what's the current revision of libwbclient0 that's installed? |
| 00:47.38 | I_Died_Once | the one ending in squeeze5 |
| 00:47.40 | I_Died_Once | it wants 4 |
| 00:48.38 | I_Died_Once | once i get this machine set up, i aint messing with it for a long time |
| 00:49.29 | I_Died_Once | i got a new personal computer, the machine in question is serving as a file server, i just got done playing the hard drive shuffle... now i need to share what needs sharing |
| 00:49.51 | I_Died_Once | and of course samba doesnt want to behave and install like a good package |
| 00:50.02 | I_Died_Once | grumble grumble grumble |
| 00:51.09 | nevyn | no it says squeeze5 is to be installed |
| 00:51.13 | nevyn | what is installed? |
| 00:53.12 | I_Died_Once | 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze5 |
| 00:53.23 | I_Died_Once | i had to hand write that down and type it in as its on another machine |
| 00:53.27 | I_Died_Once | ;) |
| 00:53.36 | I_Died_Once | as not to get it wrong |
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| 00:55.16 | Daemonax | How could I check if a usb stick is damaged? I've been trying to boot the live gnome Debian iso and keep getting corrupt or invalid kernel... I tried the standard iso on another smaller usb drive I have and that worked, but doesn't work on the 4GB usb stick I have. |
| 00:55.17 | I_Died_Once | thats what synaptic says is the installed version |
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| 00:55.56 | I_Died_Once | thanks in advance, nevyn |
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| 00:56.15 | alazare619 | hey i just installed nautilus on xfce |
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| 00:56.26 | alazare619 | how can i modify the binary to always use the option --no-desktop on nautilus |
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| 01:01.32 | I_Died_Once | looking for a link to download libwbclient0 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze4 .deb file |
| 01:02.34 | epsilon | is it current one? then check out any mirror of your trust |
| 01:03.40 | I_Died_Once | its a prior version |
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| 01:04.22 | I_Died_Once | samba wants blahblahsqeeze4 when blahblahsqueeze5 is installed |
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| 01:04.49 | epsilon | libwbclient0_2:3.5.6~dfsg-3_i386.deb I have in older cache |
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| 01:05.20 | xuser | is there something like 'aptitude why' for apt-get ? |
| 01:05.25 | I_Died_Once | i was ffiguring there was a relatively easy apt-get command |
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| 01:05.58 | epsilon | whyt info you expect from 'aptitude why'? |
| 01:05.59 | I_Died_Once | i was ffiguring there was a relatively easy apt-get command to install and solve samba's dependencies |
| 01:06.16 | jelly-home | I_Died_Once: like "apt-get -f install" ? |
| 01:06.33 | jelly-home | !bat |
| 01:06.33 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 01:07.06 | I_Died_Once | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 01:07.06 | I_Died_Once | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:08.46 | I_Died_Once | http://paste.debian.net/147387/ |
| 01:09.10 | I_Died_Once | i have not done anything screwy to this apt either |
| 01:10.48 | jelly-home | I_Died_Once: alos pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy samba libwbclient0" and "apt-cache policy" |
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| 01:11.58 | I_Died_Once | http://paste.debian.net/147388/ |
| 01:12.19 | I_Died_Once | when i first installed, i used netselect-apt to pick a mirror |
| 01:12.35 | I_Died_Once | other than that, everything installed smoothly |
| 01:12.44 | jelly-home | I_Died_Once: you are missing the security updates repo in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 01:12.53 | jelly-home | !tell I_Died_Once about squeeze sources.list |
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| 01:14.48 | I_Died_Once | i knew it was something easy |
| 01:14.53 | I_Died_Once | its installing now |
| 01:14.58 | I_Died_Once | super woot |
| 01:15.04 | I_Died_Once | and thanks to all |
| 01:15.32 | I_Died_Once | ty jelly-home and nevyn and everyone else |
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| 01:16.02 | I_Died_Once | Starting Samba daemons: nmbd smbd. |
| 01:16.11 | lulzplzkthx | Hey guys, I'm trying to figure out the block size of my VPS, but when I try to use dumpe2fs I get a permission denied error: |
| 01:16.15 | I_Died_Once | XD |
| 01:16.16 | lulzplzkthx | dumpe2fs: Permission denied while trying to open /dev/simfs |
| 01:16.22 | I_Died_Once | try sudo |
| 01:16.34 | lulzplzkthx | I'm root. |
| 01:16.35 | lulzplzkthx | root@etheral:/home/whoami# dumpe2fs /dev/simfs |
| 01:17.05 | jelly-home | I_Died_Once: nice! the correct approach should have been for people to ask you about the "basic apt-get troubleshooting" information from the start... |
| 01:17.10 | jelly-home | (bat) |
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| 01:18.12 | jelly-home | lulzplzkthx: it is quite likely you don't even have access to that information if you're using a container-based VPS |
| 01:18.33 | lulzplzkthx | jelly-home: I need to set quotas, so is there another way I can find the block size? |
| 01:19.11 | lulzplzkthx | Hmm. quota for whoami says 46080 blocks, and du -s says 46028 |
| 01:19.12 | jelly-home | lulzplzkthx: which VPS method is being used here? Does the vendor say quotas are supported? |
| 01:19.32 | lulzplzkthx | jelly-home: Uh, they didnt say they weren'ts upported? |
| 01:19.39 | jelly-home | lulzplzkthx: ask them. |
| 01:19.43 | lulzplzkthx | And my soft limit trigger accidentally because I assumed block size was 1MB. |
| 01:19.47 | lulzplzkthx | And it's causing issues. |
| 01:19.56 | jelly-home | assume 1KiB block |
| 01:19.58 | lulzplzkthx | So I believe it's supported. |
| 01:20.00 | lulzplzkthx | KiB? |
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| 01:20.05 | jelly-home | yes. 1024B |
| 01:20.23 | lulzplzkthx | Yeah, I know what a KiB is... I just think that's weird because other places said it was generally 1MB |
| 01:20.38 | lulzplzkthx | Oh, they said 1024bytes, my bad. |
| 01:20.41 | lulzplzkthx | i threw on a k :P |
| 01:20.51 | jelly-home | I've never seen quota on Linux, or a fs on Linux use a 1MiB or a 1MB block |
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| 01:21.15 | lulzplzkthx | You've never seen quota on Linux? |
| 01:21.19 | lulzplzkthx | :S |
| 01:21.30 | dirkson | "This file does not exist. Please do not ask the Debian maintainer about it". - In a config file within debian :D |
| 01:21.31 | jelly-home | you've trouble reading? |
| 01:21.34 | jelly-home | :S |
| 01:21.41 | lulzplzkthx | No, but I don't understand. |
| 01:21.45 | lulzplzkthx | I've seen it on every host I've used. |
| 01:21.50 | lulzplzkthx | Nearly. |
| 01:21.57 | lulzplzkthx | Is there a reason it's uncommon? |
| 01:22.26 | jelly-home | ext[234] don't work that way |
| 01:22.40 | jelly-home | dunno about other fs types |
| 01:22.56 | Chelsea | Hi all, I'm trying to get tmux nested to work. Unsetting TMUX isn't the problem, but somehow using different tmux.confs and assigning different prefix keys doesn't seem to work. Any tips? |
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| 01:23.41 | lulzplzkthx | jelly-home: I guess I'm confused by what you mean about "don't work that way" |
| 01:23.50 | jelly-home | lulzplzkthx: on those, quota almost always used kilobyte "blocks" |
| 01:23.50 | lulzplzkthx | All quota does is check for blocks / inodes being used. |
| 01:24.13 | lulzplzkthx | Yeah, it is a kilobyte block, you were right, but I'm still confused by the ext{2,3,4} not working that way comment. |
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| 01:24.27 | jelly-home | lulzplzkthx: they do not support 1MiB block size |
| 01:25.23 | lulzplzkthx | Oh, I understand now. |
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| 01:25.29 | lulzplzkthx | But I was asking about quota. |
| 01:25.33 | lulzplzkthx | You haven't seen quota on Linux? |
| 01:25.35 | lulzplzkthx | :S |
| 01:25.41 | jelly-home | you've trouble reading? |
| 01:25.42 | lulzplzkthx | OH |
| 01:25.46 | jelly-home | :S |
| 01:25.49 | lulzplzkthx | You've never seen quota on Linux use a 1 MiB block. |
| 01:25.55 | jelly-home | \o/ |
| 01:26.10 | lulzplzkthx | I read as (I've never seen quota on Linux) | (a fs on Linux use a 1 MiB or a 1MB block) |
| 01:26.30 | lulzplzkthx | Thanks for the help jelly-home :) |
| 01:26.42 | jelly-home | but that sounds silly, why would I even dare help with quotas in that case |
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| 01:29.16 | jelly-home | anyhoo, quota tools on ext[234] show usage in 1KiB chunks, no matter the actual block side of the filesystem |
| 01:29.42 | jelly-home | and for some reason reuse the word "block" even though they really should know better |
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| 01:41.44 | digitalirony | anyone in here that is decent with alsa asoundrc configuration. I am attempting to dupelicate audio over a bluetooth device and hardware sound card at the same time. So I can hear better, and friends can hear through speakers |
| 01:41.53 | pipegeek | how does one go about preseeding dpkg-reconfigure? It doesn't seem to be working for me---running dpkg-reconfigure sets everything back to its original values. |
| 01:42.06 | digitalirony | I can make it play through one or the other, and I found this: http://alsa.opensrc.org/.asoundrc#Dupe_output_to_multiple_cards |
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| 01:42.52 | digitalirony | the issue I am running into is with: http://pastebin.com/wRVyPz9b |
| 01:43.45 | digitalirony | I am not sure how you would properly decalare the bluetooth device in that situation. As the way its doing it there in the slave block, doesn't really line up with my basic understanding of setting a pcm device name o.0 |
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| 01:59.38 | sherl0ck | can the debian installer do full diskencryption out of the box (LUKS)? i didnt see an option for it in my iso |
| 02:00.06 | nathwill | sherl0ck: yes, it's encrypted lvm option |
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| 02:00.42 | sherl0ck | huh, can u point me to a correct iso image? i was using stable |
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| 02:00.58 | czytajsk | hey there |
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| 02:01.16 | czytajsk | i have a question, maybe you will be able to help me |
| 02:01.33 | nathwill | sherl0ck, should be in that iso |
| 02:02.08 | czytajsk | unfortunatelly php does not have any official room, so i thought i may find some answers here |
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| 02:02.44 | sherl0ck | huh ok |
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| 02:04.28 | czytajsk | i'm trying to make a php script that will generate and revoke self signed certificates. All seems to work well, but in one moment openssl asks me for a pass phrase. I want to put it there automatically, without needing to sit by the console. Is there any way to make php script fill the dialog automatically? |
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| 02:08.34 | lotus-blade | anyone deal with ati hd cards in wheezy yet? |
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| 02:22.03 | lotus-blade | is wheezy consisdered the testing distribution? |
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| 02:28.31 | Vasistha | Just bought a new motherboard + cpu. The old one was a 32 bit processor, this one is 64. If I want to transfer my hard drive to the new system, will it "just work" or do I need to get a 64 bit kernel on there? |
| 02:28.49 | langkid1 | Vasistha, 64 bit kernel |
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| 02:29.03 | mmnicolas | Vasistha: nothing to do with it, it will work |
| 02:29.05 | langkid1 | is a linux n00b |
| 02:29.23 | dvs | Vasistha: The kernel will work. It's the video I'd worry about the most. |
| 02:29.27 | langkid1 | I would guess that if you want to use all the benefits of 64 bit you need to go to the 64 bit kernel |
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| 02:29.34 | Vasistha | mmnicolas: cool, is there any compelling reason to install a 64 bit kernel? |
| 02:29.40 | Vasistha | ah okay |
| 02:29.49 | Vasistha | wow you guys are faster at answering than I am at asking |
| 02:30.40 | mmnicolas | Vasistha: better ram management amongst other things |
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| 02:32.03 | Dulak | i don't know if doubling the minimum addressable space is considered better ram management or not. Some things will do better, some worse in that regard. |
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| 02:34.35 | mmnicolas | Dulak: what do you have in mind ? |
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| 02:35.15 | [SE]DJ-C0L7 | i have a quick shell related question for y'all |
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| 02:35.40 | [SE]DJ-C0L7 | to run a command from terminal as resident in memory, do you tack the * flag to it, or was that changed in the recent kernel update? |
| 02:36.13 | Dulak | well the fact that my python app takes about 1/3 more ram on a 64bit kernel as opposed to the same box running a 32bit kernel is what I am personally thinking about. |
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| 02:39.50 | sanitypassing | I installed Google Chrome, but it doesn't appear under the Applications menu. Is there any reason why this is? |
| 02:40.09 | meLon | Application>Network sanitypassing ? |
| 02:40.14 | civillian | sanitypassing: it's not worthy of a link in Applications |
| 02:40.23 | sanitypassing | civillian: how so? |
| 02:40.36 | meLon | You can use Chromium, sanitypassing :D |
| 02:40.44 | sanitypassing | I see. |
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| 02:40.59 | meLon | But, it should be under Networking, either way |
| 02:41.22 | sanitypassing | There is no Networking entry, only Internet. |
| 02:42.02 | meLon | -ing*. Well I'm on squeeze. You could be different |
| 02:42.25 | sanitypassing | I just installed the latest x86 version from the website. |
| 02:42.36 | sanitypassing | Other than that, I don't know anything about the current system |
| 02:44.47 | meLon | sanitypassing: Do you know how to open a terminal? |
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| 02:45.17 | meLon | try launching 'google-chrome' from there? |
| 02:45.45 | sanitypassing | Sorry, my mom needed me to grab something |
| 02:45.58 | sanitypassing | Yep, I know how to use terminal. I ran Ubuntu for approx. 8 months. |
| 02:46.22 | sanitypassing | I'm no Linux master, but I'm not a total noob. :) |
| 02:46.43 | meLon | hehe, just covering the basics :D |
| 02:46.51 | meLon | Did it run? |
| 02:46.58 | sanitypassing | I haven't tried yet |
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| 02:47.21 | sanitypassing | Yep, that worked. |
| 02:47.46 | meLon | Are you using Gnome? |
| 02:48.08 | sanitypassing | Ok, two questions. My mouse, when right-clicking, seems to be clicking twice. Any idea why? |
| 02:48.13 | sanitypassing | And why does the font rendering look so bad. :( |
| 02:48.14 | sanitypassing | Yeah. |
| 02:48.44 | meLon | Are you sure you're not holding down the right click button too long? |
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| 02:48.50 | sanitypassing | Just a quick tap. |
| 02:49.08 | meLon | Well, try holding it down and seeing how that works. Once you release, it 'clicks' |
| 02:49.17 | sanitypassing | Yeah, it did that. |
| 02:49.24 | meLon | You can add a menu entry for google-chrome |
| 02:49.40 | sanitypassing | I actually just installed chromium |
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| 02:50.04 | tidux | I have a question about the init system in Testing |
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| 02:50.50 | tidux | after an update yesterday, I started seeing warnings about "this program is deprecated, please use btrfs version" before "INIT: loading 2.88" even shows up on the console |
| 02:51.01 | tidux | this concerns me - I don't even have any btrfs filesystems |
| 02:51.55 | [SE]DJ-C0L7 | anybody have any ideas on that? |
| 02:51.58 | sanitypassing | How can I determine whether I'm running the correct video drivers? |
| 02:52.09 | tidux | sanitypassing: what hardware are you using? |
| 02:53.11 | meLon | sudo apt-get install mesa-utils && glxinfo | grep direct |
| 02:53.21 | sanitypassing | tidux: Video hardware? NVIDIA GeForce 6200. |
| 02:53.36 | meLon | sanitypassing: Run those commands and see if direct rendering is enabled |
| 02:54.03 | sanitypassing | Sure. |
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| 02:54.51 | sanitypassing | It's telling me I'm not a sudo-er. |
| 02:55.13 | tidux | well then drop the sudo and run it as root |
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| 02:55.28 | sanitypassing | I'm not sure how to do that. |
| 02:56.22 | [SE]DJ-C0L7 | i'm working on a project for tech, we're about to start the segment on forensics and data recovery, i'm going to do a recursive wipe to break the linux distro i'm going to play with, then i'm going to see if any information can be recovered from the system, if i issue the "*" flag does it commit the command to ram, or does it just sit in the system as it runs? |
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| 02:56.58 | tidux | sanitypassing: how did you install your system without setting a root password? |
| 02:57.16 | sanitypassing | tidux: I did set a root password. |
| 02:57.45 | tidux | then su - |
| 02:57.50 | tidux | and then enter your root password |
| 02:58.20 | sanitypassing | It tells me "Yes". |
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| 02:58.31 | tidux | what |
| 02:58.35 | bendbanks | Yes |
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| 02:58.37 | tidux | pastebin the output, please |
| 02:58.42 | tidux | this is confusing |
| 02:58.45 | [SE]DJ-C0L7 | screw it i'll ask the hak5 guys |
| 02:58.56 | tidux | [SE]DJ-C0L7: what was your question? |
| 02:59.12 | sanitypassing | http://pastebin.com/EFk89Hn0 |
| 02:59.32 | tidux | oh |
| 02:59.36 | tidux | then you're using the right hardware |
| 02:59.37 | tidux | congrats |
| 02:59.52 | sanitypassing | Ok. |
| 02:59.56 | tidux | yeah |
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| 02:59.58 | tidux | while you're root |
| 03:00.01 | sanitypassing | Well then why does the font rendering look so bad? |
| 03:00.15 | tidux | that has nothing to do with graphics drivers |
| 03:00.37 | sanitypassing | Ok. |
| 03:00.39 | tidux | can you show a screenshot of your "bad fonts"? |
| 03:00.45 | sanitypassing | Sure. |
| 03:00.53 | meLon | If he were using composite, it could be drivers, no? |
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| 03:01.01 | tidux | meLon: don't know |
| 03:01.05 | tidux | I've never run into that |
| 03:01.45 | sanitypassing | Uploading now. |
| 03:01.55 | sanitypassing | http://i.imgur.com/RhQEy.png |
| 03:02.34 | tidux | those look fine to me |
| 03:02.38 | meLon | ^ |
| 03:02.45 | sanitypassing | It's pretty ugly on my side. |
| 03:02.59 | tidux | well then it probably is your graphics stack somehow |
| 03:03.15 | sanitypassing | I'm not expecting "OMG MOST BEAUTIFUL FONT EVER", but it looks all whack-ass on my side. |
| 03:03.25 | tidux | yeah, it looks very clear and readable in the screenshot |
| 03:03.34 | tidux | did you mean the tiny font on webchat? |
| 03:03.38 | [SE]DJ-C0L7 | got my answer |
| 03:03.40 | tidux | because that's just qwebirc doing its thing |
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| 03:04.05 | sanitypassing | would a different font-set make a difference? |
| 03:04.11 | tidux | no |
| 03:04.16 | sanitypassing | Hmm. |
| 03:04.16 | tidux | the fonts themselves are fine |
| 03:04.20 | tidux | it's your monitor |
| 03:04.24 | tidux | or your graphics card |
| 03:04.26 | tidux | or the driver |
| 03:04.26 | sanitypassing | Could resolution / refresh rate do anything? |
| 03:04.27 | tidux | shrugs |
| 03:04.38 | sanitypassing | Hmm. |
| 03:04.44 | sanitypassing | How can I test the driver option? |
| 03:04.47 | meLon | How'd you install your gfx drivers, sanitypassing ? |
| 03:04.57 | tidux | ^ answer this please |
| 03:05.04 | sanitypassing | It's just using whatever is installed by default. |
| 03:05.09 | langkid1 | oldtopman, you playing DEFCON on oldtopman-family? |
| 03:05.25 | sanitypassing | I would assume it's software rendering, unless Debian comes with NVIDIA drivers. |
| 03:05.46 | tidux | Debian comes with the open source reverse-engineered "nouveau" driver for NVIDIA chips |
| 03:05.55 | sanitypassing | Ok. |
| 03:05.59 | Vasistha | sanitypassing: fonts in your screenshot look nice here, too. Maybe... maybe you are using sub-pixel aliasing and it is set wrong? |
| 03:06.04 | sanitypassing | Is that the best driver option? |
| 03:06.10 | sanitypassing | Vasistha: I honestly have no idea. |
| 03:06.15 | tidux | sanitypassing: it's actually better than the proprietary driver for 2D |
| 03:06.32 | sanitypassing | tidux: So I'm running the best driver solution then. Ok. |
| 03:06.36 | tidux | yeah |
| 03:06.45 | tidux | I think it could be a subpixel filtering problem |
| 03:06.53 | tidux | are those LCD or CRT monitors? |
| 03:07.00 | sanitypassing | Uh. |
| 03:07.11 | sanitypassing | I'm not 100% sure actually. |
| 03:07.11 | tidux | come on, this should be obvious |
| 03:07.16 | tidux | CRTs are the size of a winnebago |
| 03:07.20 | sanitypassing | Ah. |
| 03:07.22 | sanitypassing | LCD then |
| 03:07.28 | tidux | yeah |
| 03:07.28 | sanitypassing | I keep forgetting those kinds of details. |
| 03:07.32 | tidux | anything flat-panel is LCD |
| 03:07.41 | meLon | Sorry, had to get some M&Ms |
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| 03:08.39 | sanitypassing | Changing the refresh rate didn't affect it, and I have a feeling the resolution won't do anything. |
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| 03:09.07 | tidux | yeah, I'm starting to think you've got subpixel hinting set wrong somehow |
| 03:09.09 | tidux | which is weird |
| 03:09.20 | tidux | the only distro I've had to worry about that on is Gentoo |
| 03:09.36 | sanitypassing | is there any way to determine whether this is the cause? |
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| 03:10.28 | tidux | not sure |
| 03:10.41 | tidux | it's probably somewhere under "settings" in GNOME |
| 03:10.56 | tidux | and I don't think anybody wants to open up Xorg.conf unless they really, really have to |
| 03:11.14 | sanitypassing | There is a "Fonts" entry under Appearance Preferences. |
| 03:11.23 | tidux | try that |
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| 03:12.06 | sanitypassing | I have "Monochrome", "Best Shapes", "Best Contrast" and "Subpixel smoothing (LCDs)" as options, as well as default font choices. |
| 03:12.30 | tidux | set "subpixel smoothing" |
| 03:12.33 | tidux | actually |
| 03:12.40 | tidux | try all of them until you find what looks good |
| 03:12.47 | tidux | if that doesn't fix it, I have no bloody clue |
| 03:12.56 | sanitypassing | None of them look any better. |
| 03:13.21 | meLon | Have you, since starting up debian for the first time, rebooted? |
| 03:13.26 | sanitypassing | No. |
| 03:13.38 | sanitypassing | I suppose I should do that... |
| 03:13.41 | meLon | Do a good old sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade and give it a try |
| 03:13.53 | meLon | It's a horrible solution, but may just work for you |
| 03:14.17 | sanitypassing | Alright. |
| 03:14.27 | sanitypassing | Just ran, didn't update / install / remove anything. |
| 03:14.30 | sanitypassing | Reboot time? |
| 03:14.45 | meLon | points to the door |
| 03:14.53 | sanitypassing | I'll be back! |
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| 03:17.46 | sanitypassing | Beware, I hath returned. |
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| 03:17.59 | tidux | oh boy |
| 03:18.06 | sanitypassing | :) |
| 03:18.16 | sanitypassing | the fonts still look terrible. |
| 03:18.56 | tidux | have you tried an Ubuntu live CD? |
| 03:19.08 | tidux | if the fonts still look terrible with that, it may just be your hardware |
| 03:19.49 | sanitypassing | Ubuntu works fine for me. |
| 03:20.16 | sanitypassing | I've not had any font problems with Ubuntu, or Windows in the past. |
| 03:20.37 | sanitypassing | (I just came off a Windows XP installation on the same hardware I'm currently running) |
| 03:21.23 | tidux | Ubuntu also has a patched libcairo that makes fonts look different |
| 03:21.36 | sanitypassing | Hmm. |
| 03:21.43 | sanitypassing | Is it possible to apply that patch on Debian? |
| 03:21.50 | tidux | can you describe how your fonts are being messed up? |
| 03:21.56 | tidux | and is it just fonts, or is it other things? |
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| 03:22.10 | sanitypassing | as far as I can tell, it's just fonts. |
| 03:22.22 | sanitypassing | Unless my external drive refusing to mount counts as a related issue. |
| 03:22.29 | tidux | probably not |
| 03:22.34 | ZekeS | I do need to get around to patching freetype2 on my debian box, don't I |
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| 03:26.04 | sanitypassing | is there nothing I can do then to fix this issue? |
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| 03:29.00 | tidux | I still don't understand what's wrong with your fonts |
| 03:29.12 | gnuyoga | paijem: http://www.debian-tutorials.com/general/how-to-restrict-linux-users-to-their-home-directories |
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| 03:29.33 | sanitypassing | tidux: Neither do I. :/ |
| 03:29.38 | tidux | if you really think it's a showstopper bug, google how to patch libcairo and freetype in Debian |
| 03:29.50 | tidux | and then file a bug report using "reportbug" |
| 03:29.54 | tidux | and flag it "upstream" |
| 03:30.04 | sanitypassing | Ok. |
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| 03:37.01 | lotus-blade | I have 2 ati hd5450 cardss and can only get 1 to work. any ideas? |
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| 03:47.14 | sanitypassing | Ok, I have another issue. Debian refuses to mount my external harddrive. |
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| 03:54.27 | dirkson | What package owns update-config? |
| 03:54.43 | dirkson | Nothing, because I'm typing the wrong thing |
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| 03:55.36 | breardo | hello |
| 03:55.58 | breardo | is it possible to use deboostrap to install debian with xorg/gnome? |
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| 03:59.12 | ruser | !sid |
| 03:59.12 | dpkg | The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
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| 04:05.15 | sanitypassing | Can anyone tell me how to burn an .iso to a flash drive? |
| 04:06.11 | meLon | unetbootin is easy :D |
| 04:06.25 | meLon | You could also use dd |
| 04:06.26 | sanitypassing | Can it run on a Debian system |
| 04:06.30 | sanitypassing | ? |
| 04:06.43 | meLon | I wouldn't suggest it in #debian if it wouldn't work on a debian system, bro |
| 04:06.50 | sanitypassing | touche. |
| 04:06.56 | meLon | :P |
| 04:07.05 | sanitypassing | Ok. |
| 04:07.08 | sanitypassing | What does "dd" do? |
| 04:07.33 | meLon | unetbootin is a gui program that will put iso's onto bootable usb partitions |
| 04:08.15 | meLon | dd basically copies data |
| 04:08.27 | sanitypassing | Ok. |
| 04:08.31 | sanitypassing | how can I use that? |
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| 04:08.51 | meLon | You'd rather use CLI vs GUI? |
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| 04:08.58 | sanitypassing | doesn't matter, really. |
| 04:09.25 | sanitypassing | whichever is fastest would work perfectly. |
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| 04:09.50 | aussa | hi, how do I create a group? |
| 04:10.07 | meLon | groupadd |
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| 04:10.40 | sanitypassing | Installed Unetbootin, testing now. |
| 04:11.50 | acu | hey guys - I got an HP laptop - 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M880G [Mobility Radeon HD 4200] - and it has HDMI -connector - I cannot make it work - I use squeeze AMD64 |
| 04:12.38 | acu | any hints |
| 04:13.27 | meLon | acu: You read http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
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| 04:19.07 | tpocra | acu: Tried using xrandr (or a frontend of xrandr)? |
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| 04:20.36 | acu | I am reading meLon's link - tpocra - I should have thought of that - used to know all of this - I thought we are beyond this headache - |
| 04:20.52 | Firztspawn | acu - Radeon HD 4200 ... I have a similar integrated chip, and found that the AtiProprietary driver is better :) |
| 04:21.31 | Firztspawn | http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 04:21.51 | Firztspawn | unfortunately I dont use squeeze |
| 04:22.20 | tpocra | acu: I am beyond the headache, because my desktop environment (KDE 4.6.5) integrates its system settings "screen and monitor" section very well for detecting displays and changing resolutions just as reliably as Windows in the GUI |
| 04:22.52 | Firztspawn | lol ... funny you should mention headache and KDE in the same sentence |
| 04:22.57 | thewanderer1 | how do I paste something when my input widget does not accept pastes? |
| 04:23.13 | Firztspawn | control+v |
| 04:23.15 | Firztspawn | ? |
| 04:23.28 | tpocra | acu: I have a Radeon HD 4670 on my desktop and I use the libre radeon driver to very good results. I can run a compositing window manager (Kwin) and run fullscreen openGL games at 1920x1080 with good frame rate (Quake 3 era mostly) |
| 04:24.08 | thewanderer1 | Firztspawn, nah, the input box does not support paste operations |
| 04:24.13 | Firztspawn | k |
| 04:24.20 | tpocra | Firztspawn: Is it still funny even though I asserted that KDE was a smooth experience, and explicitely *not* a headache? |
| 04:24.24 | acu | tpocra: it has hdmi ? |
| 04:24.46 | acu | tpocra: the sound works too ? |
| 04:24.50 | Firztspawn | each to their own |
| 04:24.59 | Firztspawn | I learnt to hate KDE very recently |
| 04:25.10 | tpocra | acu: Yes, I have 3 video output ports on my Radeon card, but I use only two of them. KDE's System Settings can see both devices, HDMI is projector at 1920x1080 and DVI is LCD is 1920x1200 |
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| 04:25.51 | tpocra | Both of them I can do compositing effects on or choose to play a game or fullscreen a video and work on the other screen, and it's very easy to configure the resolution of each screen, and the GUI shows clearly the make/model of the display and orientation compared to other screen |
| 04:25.56 | somiaj | I use xrandr for my hdmi on a 4250 on a laptop. I had to add radeon.audio=1 to my grub command line and use the free radeon drivers. |
| 04:26.30 | Firztspawn | this could get confusing ... |
| 04:26.34 | tpocra | acu: HDMI audio I do not use, I have a dedicated sound card for audio. My system detects it, but that's a different software stack. You'll muck with ALSA settings to get HDMI audio to work |
| 04:26.41 | somiaj | acu: ^^ it works just fine, though if you don't have a wm/dekstop that detects if for you, just type 'xrandr -q' to see the connected monintors and possible resolutions. |
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| 04:27.01 | somiaj | tpocra: you have to tell grub about it to, it was disabled by default due to a bug. |
| 04:27.23 | tpocra | The free radeon drivers work very well, but if you want acceleration then remember to install the firmware-linux non-free drivers package acu |
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| 04:27.50 | tpocra | Also would recommend using the latest version of Mesa, X.Org, and radeon |
| 04:27.55 | tpocra | and Linux 3.0 or 3.1 |
| 04:28.47 | acu | tpocra and somiaj thank you - I am redoing the proprietary firmware - I guess that is not the libre one - is there a howto ? |
| 04:29.12 | tpocra | acu: Just make sure the package for non-free linux firmware is installed, the Radeon firmware blobs are in it |
| 04:29.34 | tpocra | and upgrade to Linux 3.0 would be smart so you can get more recent kernel DRM and DRI improvements |
| 04:29.36 | somiaj | acu: its just the 'radeon' driver, there is a kernel module and an xorg video driver. It should be there by default unless you installed fglxr. |
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| 04:30.05 | tpocra | somiaj: In Debian, the firmware blobs are in a separate package as the radeon driver and Linux module |
| 04:30.25 | somiaj | yea forgot about the firmware blobs for that. |
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| 04:51.39 | simonlnu | lmde is not debian |
| 04:51.39 | ChibaPet | !tell gasull2 about lmde |
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| 05:05.35 | meLon | gasull2 leave already? >_< |
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| 05:18.41 | Vasistha | meLon: it's not like he's said anything. he could be asking dpkg things |
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| 06:10.43 | acu | is there any tool to record every search I do ? |
| 06:10.52 | acu | and timing |
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| 06:15.18 | I_Died_Once | i am having dependency problems when installing openjdk-6-jre |
| 06:15.57 | I_Died_Once | !bat |
| 06:15.58 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 06:16.55 | acu | I_Died_Once, how did you install it ? |
| 06:17.03 | I_Died_Once | apt |
| 06:17.11 | acu | apt what ? |
| 06:17.11 | apt | idk |
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| 06:17.43 | I_Died_Once | http://paste.debian.net/147399/ |
| 06:18.50 | roansh | Hi all. I've installed debian 6 (kde). I've another partition on HDD, it's ntfs. I tried modifying fstab file to get permissions to the user. Now, I can mount it without root. Well, the problem is, within Dophin, I can't see any contents of the drive. It just throws an error 'Cannot enter' like this.. |
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| 06:20.48 | acu | roansh: do not remember details - however there is a ntfs utility so you can read ntfs - and second make sure the folder you mount is 777 - chmod |
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| 06:21.34 | roansh | acu, Could you tell me, the utility? |
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| 06:37.40 | acu | !ntfs |
| 06:37.40 | dpkg | Windows NT File System (NTFS) has drivers available in Debian: the read-only Linux kernel driver and a <FUSE> driver providing write support. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <label>. http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS |
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| 06:37.57 | acu | roansh ^^^^^^^^^^^ |
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| 06:53.32 | xwalk | Does anyone know why my .bashrc file wouldn't be reading from my .bash_aliases file like it's supposed to? I tried putting a simple alias in the file (alias ls = 'xss') and I keep seeing the error "bash: xss: command not found". |
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| 06:54.33 | ooldirty | xwalk, you've got it backwards. alias nickname=command |
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| 06:55.26 | xwalk | *facepalm*. Thanks. That's silly on my part. |
| 06:56.56 | ooldirty | s'all good :) |
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| 06:57.16 | xwalk | Eh, still getting the same error. Does the .bash_aliases file need to be headed with #!/bin/bash or is it just plain text? |
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| 06:57.31 | Jimmy_Kash | anyone here good with MMM? |
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| 06:58.28 | ooldirty | xwalk, did you re-source the file? |
| 06:58.33 | ooldirty | '. .bash_aliases' |
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| 06:59.05 | xwalk | "Re-source"? =/ |
| 07:00.09 | xwalk | <- Ignorant. What does re-source mean? |
| 07:00.40 | ooldirty | when you source a file (. $file)... |
| 07:00.52 | ooldirty | you need to re-read the bash_aliases file, so source it again :P |
| 07:02.47 | xwalk | Er, wow. How do I go about doing that? Been using Debian for about 7 months and never saw that expression. |
| 07:03.03 | xwalk | (GNU/Linux in general for that seven.) |
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| 07:04.24 | ooldirty | ". .bash_aliases" |
| 07:04.30 | ooldirty | copy and paste that into your terminal |
| 07:04.44 | ooldirty | then try to "xss" again, er whatever... |
| 07:05.33 | xwalk | What exactly does re-sourcing a file do? |
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| 07:06.43 | ooldirty | ... |
| 07:06.56 | ooldirty | or you could just log out and log back in again |
| 07:06.59 | ooldirty | ?! |
| 07:07.08 | ooldirty | are you sure you're calling the bash_aliases file from your .bashrc |
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| 07:08.37 | xwalk | Well, I read that there's an if statement in the .bashrc file. I grep'd "aliases" and found the loop |
| 07:08.39 | xwalk | . |
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| 07:10.12 | ooldirty | oh, like '[[ -f ~/.bash_aliases ]] && . ~/.bash_aliases' ? |
| 07:10.21 | xwalk | Yeah, exactly. |
| 07:10.26 | ooldirty | yeah, that's just sourcing the .bash_aliases file. |
| 07:10.54 | ooldirty | so when you do that again later, you are... ____________ |
| 07:11.43 | ooldirty | i'm sorry, i'm really not trying to be a douche. i'm working tonight and having to deal with customers :| |
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| 07:14.28 | xwalk | No, no. You're helping me a lot actually. |
| 07:14.54 | I_Died_Once | hey.... having trouble installing jave |
| 07:14.56 | I_Died_Once | http://paste.debian.net/147399/ |
| 07:16.43 | I_Died_Once | ****java |
| 07:17.39 | xwalk | I feel like I ran into this kind of problem once and found out there was an option for resolving unmet dependencies. |
| 07:17.52 | xwalk | I can't remember if that was Debian or Mageia, though. |
| 07:18.13 | ooldirty | I_Died_Once, what happens when you try to install openjdk-6-jre-headless |
| 07:18.32 | I_Died_Once | more unmet |
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| 07:19.28 | xwalk | It looks like according to the man pages if you run apt-get install -f the "-f" option will attempt to fix broken dependencies. I don't know if you have tried that already. |
| 07:21.53 | I_Died_Once | same thing |
| 07:21.54 | I_Died_Once | death@w3502:~$ sudo apt-get install -f openjdk-6-jre |
| 07:21.55 | I_Died_Once | Reading package lists... Done |
| 07:21.55 | I_Died_Once | Building dependency tree |
| 07:21.55 | I_Died_Once | Reading state information... Done |
| 07:21.55 | I_Died_Once | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have |
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| 07:22.05 | I_Died_Once | The following information may help to resolve the situation: |
| 07:22.07 | I_Died_Once | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 07:22.09 | I_Died_Once | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:22.12 | I_Died_Once | E: Broken packages |
| 07:22.14 | I_Died_Once | gah |
| 07:22.23 | I_Died_Once | sorry |
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| 07:23.51 | I_Died_Once | it game me the same result with apt-get install -f |
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| 07:24.27 | I_Died_Once | openjdk-6-jre-headless : Depends: tzdata-java but it is not going to be installed |
| 07:24.27 | I_Died_Once | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:25.48 | I_Died_Once | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:26.09 | I_Died_Once | is there a java repo ? |
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| 07:33.11 | ooldirty | nope |
| 07:33.40 | I_Died_Once | i'm caught in dependency hell |
| 07:34.00 | I_Died_Once | a loop |
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| 07:34.03 | ooldirty | if it was MY box, I would extract the tzdata-java .deb and change the depends to your version of tzdata. for it to require that specific version of freaking timezone data seems asinine to me... |
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| 07:34.23 | ooldirty | but then again, my stuff always ends up broken, so take that with a grain of salt. |
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| 07:36.14 | ooldirty | what happens if you 'apt-get install openjdk-6-jre-headless=6b18-1.8.7-2~squeeze1' |
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| 07:38.52 | I_Died_Once | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 07:38.52 | I_Died_Once | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:41.17 | ooldirty | what happens if you 'apt-get install openjdk-6-jre-headless=6b18-1.8.7-2~squeeze1 tzdata-java=2011k-0squeeze1' |
| 07:41.55 | I_Died_Once | tzdata-java : Depends: tzdata (= 2011k-0squeeze1) but 2011n-0squeeze1 is to be installed |
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| 07:42.22 | I_Died_Once | facepalm |
| 07:42.28 | I_Died_Once | k vs n |
| 07:43.00 | I_Died_Once | E: Version '2011n-0squeeze1' for 'tzdata-java' was not found |
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| 07:45.48 | ooldirty | ah |
| 07:45.56 | ooldirty | try ~squeeze1... |
| 07:46.08 | ooldirty | my stupid paster button must have missed that for you. |
| 07:46.17 | I_Died_Once | eh? |
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| 07:48.20 | I_Died_Once | E: Version '2011k~0squeeze' for 'tzdata-java' was not found |
| 07:49.44 | I_Died_Once | i'm not sure if i understood your last thing about the paster |
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| 07:52.31 | ooldirty | uh |
| 07:52.40 | I_Died_Once | ok, i went to http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/all/tzdata/download |
| 07:52.45 | ooldirty | should be 2011n-0~squeeze1 |
| 07:52.58 | ooldirty | yeah that should work too |
| 07:52.59 | ooldirty | haha |
| 07:53.05 | I_Died_Once | downloaded the .deb |
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| 07:53.38 | I_Died_Once | installed it, then used your sudo apt-get install openjdk-6-jre-headless=6b18-1.8.7-2~squeeze1 command |
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| 07:54.10 | I_Died_Once | and that installed, installing the original jre now |
| 07:54.30 | I_Died_Once | its going wild |
| 07:54.38 | I_Died_Once | processing triggers! |
| 07:54.53 | I_Died_Once | i had to agree to let it downgrade |
| 07:54.56 | I_Died_Once | i said yeah |
| 07:55.25 | I_Died_Once | ooldirty, you are the awesome sauce |
| 07:56.10 | ooldirty | :) |
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| 07:59.20 | xwalk | Be right back. Logging out too see if my alias will work. If not, I know if I just put it into the .bashrc file it will. |
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| 08:00.54 | xwalk | Yep, editing the .bashrc file. Dammit, Debian. |
| 08:01.00 | ooldirty | err |
| 08:01.05 | ooldirty | your logic is flawed, my good man. |
| 08:01.27 | ooldirty | if you can't type ". .bash_aliases" and your aliases work, there is something wrong with the aliases file. |
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| 08:02.09 | I_Died_Once | it would be awesome if apt could recognize the higher version of filews and go with them without having to downgrade manuall |
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| 08:02.16 | I_Died_Once | thx |
| 08:02.47 | xwalk | Well, I know editing the .bashrc file and just putting the aliases I want in there has worked. However, I just discovered that using the ls command now gives the same error message from before. So, something is definitely happening. |
| 08:03.17 | ooldirty | it's not really apt's fault, it's the package maintainer's. but yeah, no one would complain if the repo's were watched more closely. |
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| 08:16.55 | xwalk | Man, I was doing that alias assignment super wrong. |
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| 08:17.08 | xwalk | Got it working now, though. Thanks for the help ooldirty. |
| 08:17.32 | ooldirty | sure thing :) |
| 08:17.38 | ooldirty | what were you doing wrong? |
| 08:18.24 | xwalk | My original syntax was alias xss='ls'. I saw some examples from some boards that I was reading and that's what I was seeing. |
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| 08:18.46 | xwalk | Fixed syntax was just alias xss=ls |
| 08:19.11 | ksk | i use bla='foo' for aliasing in bash |
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| 08:20.22 | xwalk | For some reason that wasn't working. I don't know if my .bash_aliases file wasn't being re-sourced, but it worked when I logged out and logged back in. |
| 08:21.14 | ooldirty | hmm... yeah that's strange |
| 08:21.21 | xwalk | Now, would it be practical to make a function to start applications I want to load and then make an alias command for that function in the .bash_aliases file? I'm using xmonad and it doesn't have a session save like Gnome does. |
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| 08:24.59 | ooldirty | how about ~/.xsession |
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| 08:31.29 | yagoo | lol |
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| 08:37.16 | xwalk | Freakin' win. Got my autostart function working. Thanks again ooldirty. |
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| 08:40.08 | yagoo | xwalk, btw you can place your aliases in ~/.bashrc |
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| 08:41.39 | xwalk | I did know that. I did that in Ubuntu when I first started using GNU/Linux a few months ago. For some reason I just couldn't remember how to properly make an alias. |
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| 08:41.56 | yagoo | lol |
| 08:42.04 | yagoo | alias something="something -a -b -c " |
| 08:42.27 | ooldirty | where was this guy when we needed him? |
| 08:42.28 | xwalk | Yeah. Freaking simple, right? |
| 08:42.34 | yagoo | looldirty |
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| 09:32.54 | ooldirty | scoobertron, add the lvm2 process to your default runlevel. |
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| 09:33.35 | ooldirty | scoobertron, update-rc.d might even make sure it gets started at the correct time. |
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| 09:38.18 | scoobertron | It seems to be starred in rcconf so should be started. I read something which suggested updating initramfs, which I did and noted that lvm2 was present there now (I assume it wasn't before as it wasn't installed), so now I just need to test it. |
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| 09:50.36 | nardul | I'm about to create an installer for something, i was wondering if it was a easily used library |
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| 10:07.14 | Gerben | nardul, command-line graphical user interfaces? |
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| 10:08.30 | niftylettuce | hey guys I need help, I have a lenovo b570 with i3-2330m Intel hd 3000 gfx, basically the card isn't recognized and so I have to use squeeze-backports |
| 10:08.32 | _ramo | hi |
| 10:08.34 | nardul | Gerben: Nevermind, the program was debian installer :) |
| 10:08.43 | Gerben | ok |
| 10:08.54 | _ramo | i'm using debian squeeze... how can i update the subversion 1.6.x packet to a subversion 1.7.x packet? |
| 10:09.02 | niftylettuce | I'm trying to follow this tutorial http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/15050/solved-intel-hd-graphics-3000-sandy-bridge-incorrect-resolution/ but I can't seem to find how to "Apply" the Forced Version of xserver-xorg-intel to 2.15 |
| 10:09.52 | niftylettuce | If it helps here is a screenshot of conflicts which I don't know how to resolve http://i.imgur.com/unokp.png |
| 10:10.15 | niftylettuce | Is this what is preventing me from 'Applying' and if so -- how can I fix? |
| 10:11.02 | niftylettuce | I already got kernel upgraded to 2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 btw |
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| 10:27.45 | jelly | _ramo: not easily. 1.7 is not in Debian at all. It's less than two months old. |
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| 10:29.42 | niftylettuce | Okay so it looks like it wants me to change xorg and xserver core to the backports version |
| 10:29.51 | niftylettuce | I think this is where I do `$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade` |
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| 10:30.10 | niftylettuce | egh that didnt work |
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| 10:30.16 | tziOm | is conntrack-tools 1.0.0 available somewhere for debian? |
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| 10:53.15 | kleanchap | What is the current stable Debian kernal? For uname -a command, I am getting the following "Linux heim 2.6.32-5-686" |
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| 10:55.01 | boudiccas | kleanchap; 2.6.32-5 |
| 10:56.07 | kleanchap | boudiccas, Thnx |
| 10:56.09 | kleanchap | brb |
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| 10:59.18 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 10:59.20 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.1-1); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.1-1); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
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| 11:23.29 | ecolitan | hi, where can I get a lenny5.0.9 32bit iso ? |
| 11:23.51 | ecolitan | can find on debian.org |
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| 11:24.07 | DemonWitch | hey should i run virtualbox with sudo? |
| 11:24.34 | Jester_ | You dont need to |
| 11:24.37 | Jester_ | the isntall yes ;) |
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| 11:24.50 | Jester_ | but I never run it with Sudo |
| 11:25.04 | DemonWitch | Jester_: doesnt it need root privilages? |
| 11:25.07 | Jester_ | are you using a window manager (gnome, KDE...)? |
| 11:25.36 | DemonWitch | Jester_: kde |
| 11:25.46 | lupine_85 | if it can't run as a normal user, don't use it |
| 11:26.02 | lupine_85 | runs KVM as an ordinary user all the time, although he does have to give it CAP_NET_ADMIN for the tap device |
| 11:26.08 | Jester_ | I don't believe so... I have it running at the moment without sudo |
| 11:26.24 | lupine_85 | that's just laziness, though |
| 11:26.43 | Jester_ | :) |
| 11:26.57 | Jester_ | will be fine in KDE without Sudo |
| 11:27.19 | DemonWitch | Jester_: what does kde have to do with it? |
| 11:27.32 | Jester_ | just wanted to know if you have a GUI |
| 11:27.58 | DemonWitch | i dont think the gui makes a difference |
| 11:28.03 | DemonWitch | same privilages |
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| 11:28.33 | Jester_ | yeah, wanted to know if you were logging onto a GUI or whether you were possibly logging into a session as root :) |
| 11:28.43 | Jester_ | but no... you don't need to use Sudo |
| 11:28.52 | DemonWitch | Jester_: also i check now that the command run by kde is |
| 11:28.59 | DemonWitch | Virtualbox |
| 11:29.02 | DemonWitch | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:29.09 | DemonWitch | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:29.17 | DemonWitch | what does % U do |
| 11:30.22 | Jester_ | hmm, not sure |
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| 11:41.43 | xand | every time a network interface comes up on my squeeze machine, it mounts two cifs shares that are already mounted, any ideas how to stop this? |
| 11:42.05 | xand | (so the "mount" and "df" output lists them twice |
| 11:42.20 | tuxcrafter | hi all |
| 11:42.34 | tuxcrafter | i did some updates on my debian testing machine ( i know unsupported) |
| 11:42.45 | tuxcrafter | but now my left alt key is not workign anymore |
| 11:43.01 | tuxcrafter | if somebody knows a solution please highlight my nick |
| 11:43.19 | tuxcrafter | i tried dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration but it didnt help |
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| 11:45.27 | boudiccas | Whilst trying to watch a film with Xvid in its title, on squeeze, my display froze and i had to crash out of x :( Do I need a codec to watch it please? |
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| 11:46.24 | Jester_ | What type of movie file is it? |
| 11:46.25 | sanderj | Hi. What do I need to do in my firewall to get active mode ftp working behind nat? |
| 11:46.44 | sanderj | firewall and ftp config changes |
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| 11:46.59 | boudiccas | Jester_; wmv |
| 11:46.59 | tuxcrafter | sanderj: there is a iptable mod for that |
| 11:47.15 | tuxcrafter | sanderj: try google it with iptables it is not debian specific |
| 11:47.28 | Jimmy_Kash | Hey how do I paginate a shell query (e.g. "locate X") |
| 11:47.30 | sanderj | tuxcrafter, can you first explain what needs to be done? |
| 11:47.42 | sanderj | tuxcrafter, do I need to open a port? |
| 11:48.21 | sanderj | tuxcrafter, do I need to set up some ports in the ftp config? |
| 11:48.28 | tuxcrafter | sanderj: i dont know the specifics but there are things like nf_conntrack_ftp and nf_nat_ftp that cna help you |
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| 11:48.42 | Jester_ | boudiccas_ the file is Windows Media Video... will research an application. |
| 11:48.42 | tuxcrafter | those are kernel modules that iptable can use |
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| 11:48.54 | boudiccas | Jester_; thanks |
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| 11:52.16 | Jester_ | boudiccas: You just need to install the w32codec package... http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux/39989-how-can-i-play-wmv-files.html |
| 11:52.39 | boudiccas | Jester_; thanks very much :) |
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| 11:57.45 | boudiccas | 'version w32codec |
| 11:57.52 | boudiccas | ,version w32codec |
| 11:57.53 | judd | No package named 'w32codec' was found in i386. |
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| 12:09.58 | mjt | what's the way to ask X about its current keyboard settings - xkboptions, xkbvariant etc? |
| 12:10.23 | tuxcrafter | mjt: do you have some keyboard issues? (i have since my last updates) |
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| 12:10.52 | mjt | yes i do |
| 12:11.09 | tuxcrafter | mjt: i was unable to solve them |
| 12:11.19 | mjt | Alt+<key> (where key is any alphanumeric key) changed the produced sequence |
| 12:11.32 | tuxcrafter | mjt: same issue here! |
| 12:11.39 | tuxcrafter | mjt: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration did not help |
| 12:12.19 | mjt | aha. setxkbmap -print |
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| 12:13.23 | tuxcrafter | mjt: http://paste.debian.net/147422/ maybe it helps you |
| 12:13.36 | tuxcrafter | mjt: if you fix the issue please highlight my nick :) |
| 12:13.46 | mjt | that's the answer to my question - how to show current kbd settings |
| 12:14.07 | tuxcrafter | mjt: i assume you want to fix the alt+key issue :D |
| 12:14.08 | mjt | and these settings obviously did not change |
| 12:14.12 | mjt | yes i do |
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| 12:14.37 | tuxcrafter | well if you find a solution for that please highlight my nick :D |
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| 12:15.57 | ksk | how can i find a package by section using aptitude? |
| 12:16.14 | ksk | eg all "editors" |
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| 12:20.08 | lmctl|s | ksk: aptitude search '~seditors' |
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| 12:20.33 | drago | someone help me with wildcard dns |
| 12:20.46 | ksk | lmctl|s: thanks |
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| 12:24.54 | boudiccas | ,version w32codecs |
| 12:24.55 | judd | Package: w32codecs on i386 -- lenny-multimedia/non-free: 1:20110131-0.1; sid-multimedia/non-free: 1:20110131-0.1; squeeze-multimedia/non-free: 1:20110131-0.1; wheezy-multimedia/non-free: 1:20110131-0.1 |
| 12:24.59 | mjt | tuxcrafter: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=648760 , thanks to Zhenech who pointed it out to me |
| 12:25.49 | tuxcrafter | mjt: thx |
| 12:26.23 | mjt | tuxcrafter: xterm has its own issue which looks exactly the same but xterm does not use vte. |
| 12:27.11 | Jester_ | xfce - anyone know of an easy to install quick little widget for realtime CPU and memory usage? |
| 12:28.20 | tuxcrafter | mjt: seems the patch for libvte9 is in debian unstable but not in debian testing yet |
| 12:28.35 | tuxcrafter | mjt: i was using xfce4-terminal but xterm had the same issue |
| 12:28.42 | tuxcrafter | seems i just have to wait |
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| 12:32.27 | mjt | tuxcrafter: verified, roxterm and xfce4-term are fixed by updating vte |
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| 12:32.50 | mjt | tuxcrafter: you may install just two packages (libve9 and vte-common) from unstable |
| 12:33.16 | mjt | tuxcrafter: they they'll enter testing it will be as if you installed them from there. |
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| 12:35.20 | tuxcrafter | sudo aptitude install libvte9 libvte-common python-vte -t unstable |
| 12:36.24 | tuxcrafter | mjt: thx it works again |
| 12:36.28 | tuxcrafter | woot |
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| 12:45.42 | eXeC001er | Could somebody help me with APT via https. |
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| 13:22.23 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 13:22.24 | dpkg | <abrotman> the nvidia one-liner doesn't work for lenny <_ZeuZ_> abrotman, wow, didn't knew that, one more for my knowledge base... <abrotman> that makes one |
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| 13:22.40 | ooldirty | hohoho |
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| 13:27.03 | rascal999 | when installing clamd, does it get started on boot? |
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| 13:28.02 | abrotman | it should |
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| 13:45.09 | bobsaccamano | hi..has anyone here managed to use an external merge tool like meld with svn? |
| 13:45.29 | bobsaccamano | if yes, then please PM me, I'm facing some issues |
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| 13:46.26 | abrotman | bobsaccamano: did you try asking #svn ? |
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| 13:47.04 | Sevet | hi everyone. i think there's a command that lists any installed packages that aren't from any of your current repositories but can't remember it... does anyone know? |
| 13:47.39 | abrotman | !which repo |
| 13:47.41 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory, or <bdo list>, or <dmm list> |
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| 13:48.27 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I have a new laptop that already has 4 primary partitions on it (Windows 7 Boot, Windows 7 main, System Recovery, System Tools). I was able to resize the big Windows 7 main one to make room for Debian, but since there are already 4 primaries, that space is unusable. What are my options for adding a partition for Debian? |
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| 13:49.29 | Sevet | thanks |
| 13:49.51 | abrotman | Pegasus_RPG: call the manuf, ask for restore CDs |
| 13:49.56 | abrotman | Pegasus_RPG: who made the laptop ? |
| 13:49.59 | Pegasus_RPG | HP |
| 13:50.09 | Pegasus_RPG | I can recreate the 4th primary partition |
| 13:50.22 | Pegasus_RPG | so if deleting that would help, let me know |
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| 13:51.29 | abrotman | can you make it way smaller? |
| 13:52.50 | Pegasus_RPG | Which one? I've made 150GB of space by shrinking the formerly 300GB Windows 7 parition |
| 13:53.10 | Pegasus_RPG | the system recovery one is 30GB NTFS Hidden and the HP_TOOLS is 2GB FAT |
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| 13:53.59 | abrotman | hates restore partitions .. |
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| 13:54.12 | abrotman | Pegasus_RPG: FWIW >. i made my restore DVDs ... and nuked the restore partition |
| 13:54.28 | Pegasus_RPG | I'm considering that... the system did ship with an OS and Application DVD |
| 13:54.31 | Pegasus_RPG | DVDs |
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| 13:54.54 | woshty | doesnt win7 bz itself make a boot partition? |
| 13:54.58 | abrotman | right .. i mean .. are you going to be using windows for anything bug gaing ? |
| 13:54.59 | abrotman | gaming |
| 13:55.00 | abrotman | but |
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| 13:56.02 | exaboy | hi debian, what is the best way to backup my system? |
| 13:56.13 | Pegasus_RPG | yes. It's my wife's system and she wants the option to use Windows |
| 13:56.18 | NoReflex | hello! anyone using LSI 9211-8i? I'm having some issues detecting the drives connected to it. |
| 13:56.40 | Pegasus_RPG | exaboy: Bacula backup software for production, otherwise K3B to burn DVDs |
| 13:57.25 | exaboy | its for a production VPS as my host does not have a solution for container backups. |
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| 13:57.51 | woshty | Pegasus_RPG: i would install virtualbox and use that. |
| 13:58.47 | exaboy | does Bacula run ok a server? |
| 13:59.42 | nkuttler | exaboy: i like backuppc |
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| 14:00.38 | babilen | exaboy: There are plenty of backup solutions. For multiple hosts and complex setups you might want to take a look at backuppc, bacula and amanda. I personally use dirvish for my laptops, but don't need anything fancy. Planned to investigate backuppc for ages, but never got around to it. |
| 14:00.52 | Pegasus_RPG | uses Bacula in his data center |
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| 14:01.04 | Pegasus_RPG | Good stuff and it has native Windows clients too |
| 14:01.28 | exaboy | i want to push the backup file off to rackspace files ;) |
| 14:01.46 | rm-rf | i use backuppc at one of my clients |
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| 14:02.03 | rm-rf | never had the need to actually restore anything as of yet though, so i can't speak to its effectiveness |
| 14:02.06 | rm-rf | :) |
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| 14:03.38 | nkuttler | rm-rf: that sounds like you have a backup set up but don't know if you can actually restore the data :) |
| 14:03.45 | woshty | duplicity is nice and simple for doing backups |
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| 14:04.45 | rm-rf | nkuttler: i did test restores, and those worked fine. just never had the need to do a "real" restore |
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| 14:05.59 | exaboy | wtf bacula requires mysql? |
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| 14:06.49 | Pegasus_RPG | exaboy: I use it with postgresql |
| 14:07.14 | exaboy | i fail to understand why it needs a RDBM :| |
| 14:07.27 | Pegasus_RPG | It stores alot of information about the backups |
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| 14:07.46 | Pegasus_RPG | it's hardcore stuff used by large enterprises |
| 14:07.59 | Pegasus_RPG | But it's fairly straightforward to set up for small setups |
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| 14:08.09 | Pegasus_RPG | ask in #bacula for help |
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| 14:09.19 | Pegasus_RPG | And read the bacula.org documentation |
| 14:09.24 | Pegasus_RPG | it's very thorough |
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| 14:14.48 | untrusted | anyone using rsyslog has a rule to parse structured data and put it into a postgresql database? |
| 14:16.40 | exaboy | Pegasus_RPG: guys in #bacula say its not what i need. "its not imagr" |
| 14:16.55 | exaboy | i just want something thats going to save me manually having to tar up all of my config, databases and files ... |
| 14:17.31 | Pegasus_RPG | a shell script then? |
| 14:17.58 | babilen | exaboy: Take a look at dirvish, duplicity, rsnapshot, rdiff-backup, backupninja, obnam, ... |
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| 14:18.59 | exaboy | babilen: ok thanks will do |
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| 14:19.08 | babilen | exaboy: I use dirvish and am quite happy with it -- There are many backup tools and you have to pick your own poison. backuppc certainly is worth a look too |
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| 14:20.01 | babilen | exaboy: obnam is pretty new and has been developed by a DD, it sounds as if it has some enticing features, but I have never used it in production. |
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| 14:23.15 | Pegasus_RPG | Does anyone know if/when reiser4 is going to be in Debian? |
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| 14:23.37 | Pegasus_RPG | (Don't tell me about btrfs. I am wary of file systems that have no fsck mechanism) |
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| 14:25.09 | abrotman | Pegasus_RPG: likely never .. last i knew it didn't merge well |
| 14:25.23 | abrotman | Pegasus_RPG: and well .. i can't imagine upstream is doing so well |
| 14:25.58 | Pegasus_RPG | Yeah I know namesys isn't a going concern, but I thought the fs devs were still active (other than Mr. Reiser of course) |
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| 14:26.29 | nkuttler | reiser4 isn't even in the kernel.. |
| 14:26.36 | Pegasus_RPG | Oh I thought it was |
| 14:27.25 | abrotman | Pegasus_RPG: as i said .. i believe it has questionable patches .. |
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| 14:29.10 | rm-rf | abrotman: like it will kill your files and hide them so that their remnants cannot be found |
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| 14:29.49 | eXeC001er | I configured my APT to use https and resolved sefl-signed certs issues, but now i have problem: W: Bizarre Error - File size is not what the server reported 0 185 |
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| 14:31.06 | abrotman | something like that |
| 14:31.10 | Sazpaimon | so if I wanted to pick up http://pastebin.com/rhL7Zd1e where I left off, with a bigger block size, does this look okay: sudo dd if=/dev/sdc skip=225080793 of=/dev/sda seek=225080793 oflag=append bs=256K conv=noerror,sync |
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| 14:31.38 | Pegasus_RPG | I was drooling at the small file performance on the benchmarks I saw long before all of the criminal trial stuff |
| 14:32.06 | Pegasus_RPG | Does anything else compare other than reiser3.6 and btrfs? |
| 14:32.36 | eXeC001er | Does somebody know how to resolve apt-via-https issues? |
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| 14:33.18 | rm-rf | sorry for the lame joke :/ |
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| 14:33.52 | rm-rf | i worked for a company a couple of years back that had a pretty decent sized HPC cluster, and we used xfs for the scratch space |
| 14:34.07 | Sazpaimon | well, I guess I'll do it since nobody is responding |
| 14:34.10 | rm-rf | but that was for pure speed |
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| 14:38.02 | Sazpaimon | dd: you probably want conv=notrunc with oflag=append ; dd: `/dev/sdc': cannot skip: Invalid argument |
| 14:38.17 | Sazpaimon | oh boy looks like 16 hours of drive copying went down the drain because I can't pick up dd where it left off! |
| 14:38.58 | go^ | do anyone know why my wireless is unstable and slow with networkManager? (Only by wireless) |
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| 14:39.16 | Pegasus_RPG | Sazpaimon: I think you can but if you change the block size, you have to recalculate the start block number |
| 14:39.30 | Pegasus_RPG | Sazpaimon: and I'd overlap a little bit just to be safe |
| 14:39.46 | Sazpaimon | Pegasus_RPG, can you give me a hand here? I tried to use skip but I got that invalid argument error |
| 14:40.02 | Gerben | go^, Your wifi driver sucks OR your wifi adapter sucks OR your wifi AP sucks OR you are too far away from the AP |
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| 14:40.26 | Gerben | (based on the detailling you provided :)) |
| 14:40.30 | Sazpaimon | I usually just do dd in one go with a large block size, but I was going over some bad sectors and only wanted 1k block size for those |
| 14:40.45 | Sazpaimon | now that I'm past the bad sector area I want to raise the block size to make the rest of the clone go faster |
| 14:40.46 | Pegasus_RPG | there's a great tool called dd_rescue |
| 14:41.09 | Pegasus_RPG | that automatically skips bad sectors, copying everything it can from good ones first, then it tries to reread the bad ones more and more often |
| 14:41.14 | go^ | Gerben, i'm 1 meter far from the AP and with Windows all works OK!..probably wifi driver |
| 14:41.18 | jordanm | you will get an ideal speed out of dd is bs is the same blocksize as your filesystem |
| 14:42.08 | go^ | Gerben, i usually don't use drivers on linux o.o |
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| 14:42.22 | C2H5OH | hi |
| 14:42.29 | C2H5OH | what happened with procps? |
| 14:42.32 | Sazpaimon | jordanm, what if you're copying the entire drive and partitions on it have different block sizes |
| 14:42.40 | C2H5OH | I can no longer use big O within top |
| 14:43.24 | Gerben | go^, that just means you don't know that you are using a driver... A driver can be implemented in kernel space (kernel module) or in user space ( just called "driver" most times) |
| 14:43.49 | Sazpaimon | Pegasus_RPG, I have ddrescue installed, but I still don't know what to feed it to pick it up where I left off |
| 14:43.55 | go^ | Gerben, sorry..i mean i usually don't install drivers :P |
| 14:43.55 | jordanm | Sazpaimon: what are you trying to accomplish with dd? |
| 14:44.13 | Sazpaimon | jordanm, clone one bad drive to another good drive |
| 14:44.27 | Pegasus_RPG | http://www.gnu.org/s/ddrescue/manual/ddrescue_manual.html |
| 14:44.50 | Sazpaimon | I was using bs 1k with noerror,sync to minimize the amount of null bytes going to the new drive when it got bad sectors, now that I'm past the bad sector area I want to raise the block size and pick up where I left off |
| 14:45.34 | Pegasus_RPG | Sazpaimon: you could use ddrescue with the --reverse flag |
| 14:45.56 | Sazpaimon | that will read the input and output file in reverse? |
| 14:46.13 | Sazpaimon | interesting, then I can just stop it once it reaches the endpoint of my first run |
| 14:46.45 | jordanm | Sazpaimon: why not use rsync to copy the files onto a new filesystme? |
| 14:47.29 | Sazpaimon | jordanm, the drive is too messed up in the partition table area to copy over, it cannot mount |
| 14:47.45 | Sazpaimon | i was just going to copy the proper sectors over and repair the partition table |
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| 14:47.50 | tribeca | Sazpaimon: cp -a |
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| 14:48.53 | Pegasus_RPG | Sazpaimon: yes, it will start and the end and work toward the start. It also keeps a log of which sectors were successful and which werent so it can retry the bad ones later |
| 14:49.16 | jordanm | !tell Sazpaimon about backup |
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| 14:49.33 | Pegasus_RPG | so if the first DD run had no bad blocks (or eventually completed all of them succesfully) then you can tell ddrescue to just work on the last half of the disk |
| 14:49.46 | Pegasus_RPG | though you should have just used ddrescue from the beginning |
| 14:50.12 | Pegasus_RPG | (So it could have logged the entire drive and picked up where it left off) |
| 14:50.18 | Sazpaimon | the first dd run did get bad sectors |
| 14:50.23 | Sazpaimon | I think it's past them, now |
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| 14:50.59 | Pegasus_RPG | If I were you, I would just run ddrescue --reverse then and let it do the whole thing |
| 14:51.02 | Sazpaimon | though I dont really care about retrying bad sector areas, I'd rather just replace them with null bytes |
| 14:51.10 | Pegasus_RPG | what file system? |
| 14:51.14 | Sazpaimon | ntfs |
| 14:51.46 | Pegasus_RPG | "just replacing" with null bytes could cause irreparable damage |
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| 14:52.17 | Pegasus_RPG | depending on where they are. It's best to try to recover everything possible, and ddrescue is designed to do that in order of diminishing returns :) |
| 14:52.44 | Sazpaimon | most of the bad sectors appear to be in the OS area, not my data partition |
| 14:52.54 | Sazpaimon | so at worst I would just need to reinstall windows |
| 14:53.06 | Pegasus_RPG | so why not jsut ddrescue the data partition instead of the whole disk? |
| 14:53.27 | Pegasus_RPG | and plan to reinstall Windows |
| 14:53.42 | Sazpaimon | because I want to avoid reinstalling windows if at all possible, plus I do have some documents on the OS partition I haven't offloaded to the data one just yet |
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| 14:53.51 | Pegasus_RPG | then ddrescue the whole disk |
| 14:53.51 | Sazpaimon | so if I can get something that mounts, I'll be a happy camper |
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| 14:54.13 | Sazpaimon | Pegasus_RPG, I already spent 16 hours dding the first 250GB |
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| 14:54.39 | Sazpaimon | I'd rather not spend another day with it. I see what you're saying, and appreciate it, but I'm kind of pressed for time here |
| 14:54.47 | Sazpaimon | this drive failed on the first day of my new job |
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| 14:55.36 | Pegasus_RPG | eww |
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| 14:56.19 | Pegasus_RPG | well, it's your drive, so do as you wish. You could start ddrescue --reverse for a few minutes, then stop it and edit the log file to show the first 250GB worth of sectors as good |
| 14:56.34 | Pegasus_RPG | then restart it and it will do the remaining sectors |
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| 14:56.53 | Sazpaimon | Pegasus_RPG, http://pastebin.com/AyScd4qR |
| 14:56.58 | Sazpaimon | run with --force should be fine, yes? |
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| 14:57.51 | Pegasus_RPG | Sazpaimon: specify a log file, and it sounds like --force will lose what you've got already |
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| 14:58.21 | Pegasus_RPG | oh yeah, manual says "Force overwrite of outfile. Needed when outfile is not a regular file, but a device or partition. " |
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| 14:58.26 | Pegasus_RPG | so that should be fine |
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| 15:00.32 | Pegasus_RPG | Sazpaimon: but the block size specified to ddrescue should be the hardware sector size which is usually 512 bytes for HDs |
| 15:00.44 | Pegasus_RPG | (ADvanced Format HDs use 4096 bytes IIRC) |
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| 15:01.10 | Pegasus_RPG | -c adjusts the # of sectors to read at once |
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| 15:01.57 | Sazpaimon | Pegasus_RPG, what would be a good value for that, 512? |
| 15:01.59 | Sazpaimon | 128 is the default |
| 15:02.11 | Sazpaimon | the source drive is on USB 2.0, so there's a bottleneck here |
| 15:02.31 | Pegasus_RPG | Wait, there are bad sectors on a USB drive? |
| 15:02.41 | Sazpaimon | Pegasus_RPG, no, it's a sata drive |
| 15:02.42 | Pegasus_RPG | oh nvm I getcha |
| 15:02.47 | Sazpaimon | but it's on an adapter |
| 15:03.08 | Sazpaimon | I'll just set -c to 512 and see what I get |
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| 15:03.34 | Pegasus_RPG | sure. That won't hurt since ddrescue will automatically decrease the cluster size when it hits bad sectors |
| 15:03.37 | Sazpaimon | about 17MB/s, not bad |
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| 15:04.35 | Sazpaimon | just gotta make sure to stop it once it reaches about 350GB |
| 15:04.38 | Sazpaimon | to add some overlap |
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| 15:15.03 | Pegasus_RPG | well, good luck |
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| 15:29.08 | wannabewhiz | how do you transfer files via ssh |
| 15:29.24 | dim0 | wannabewhiz: scp |
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| 15:32.40 | mibocote | I'm exporting a logical volume by iscsi from one server to another. I recently increased the size of that logical volume, but the remote server is still only seeing the old size. I have restarted both the iscsi target and redone the iscsi settings on the client. Any ideas why it isn't seeing the new, larger size? |
| 15:32.45 | abrotman | or rsync over ssh |
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| 15:40.58 | wannabewhiz | I love you debian! |
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| 15:43.21 | Kizano_werk | :( |
| 15:43.36 | Kizano_werk | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODk2OA <- does this mean I'll never get my monitors to work on my shiny new work laptop? |
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| 15:45.27 | colo-work | eh? that's an article from early 2011. on PHORONIX(!), on top of that. |
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| 15:45.46 | colo-work | I'm using Squeeze with kernel and X from backports A-ok on my sandy bridge machines |
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| 15:45.52 | Kizano_werk | o.o |
| 15:46.00 | wannabewhiz | anyone use putty? |
| 15:46.21 | ompaul | !tell Kizano_werk about kmuto |
| 15:46.23 | Kizano_werk | I have 2 monitors attached to my shiny new work laptop and I can't get the system to recognize them :/ |
| 15:46.30 | wannabewhiz | is there a pseudo shell for windows? |
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| 15:46.54 | petemc | a what? |
| 15:47.25 | wannabewhiz | a shell... i'm using putty... i want to put files on my host windows on a remote server via ssh |
| 15:47.29 | wannabewhiz | is that possible? |
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| 15:47.58 | petemc | wannabewhiz: pscp or winscp |
| 15:48.04 | Kizano_werk | wannabewhiz: http://console.sf.net/ |
| 15:48.04 | petemc | if i understand you correctly |
| 15:48.07 | Kizano_werk | You could try that... |
| 15:48.21 | nkuttler | wannabewhiz: certainly, there are scp clients for windows. personally, i wouldn't feel comfortable typing my passwd or storing an ssh key on a windows box. see also ##windows |
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| 15:49.59 | woshty | ompaul: but i dont want lang de. i just want to be able to type "a "o "u sz and euro |
| 15:50.38 | ompaul | woshty: under settings you can install some kind of keyboard mapper to allow you switch and so on |
| 15:50.48 | gele | hello, is there a way to use the ecryptfs tools in debian squeeze to allow normal users to mount and unmount arbitrary ecryptfs filesystems on their own (not just ~/Private and the home directory). |
| 15:50.55 | nkuttler | woshty: don't you have a german keyboard? |
| 15:50.56 | ompaul | woshty: or you can get really grimy with something like xmodmap |
| 15:51.02 | gele | the ecryptfs documentation talks about a ecryptfs group, but there is no such group in debian. |
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| 15:52.04 | nkuttler | gele: try /usr/share/doc/ecryptfs |
| 15:52.33 | gele | nkuttler: i have a /usr/share/doc/ecryptfs-utils. |
| 15:52.42 | nkuttler | gele: so check that |
| 15:53.14 | nkuttler | gele: the README.Debian should usually tell you what's debian-specific |
| 15:53.54 | gele | there is no README.Debian. |
| 15:53.58 | woshty | nkuttler: i just switched back to an old sgi keyboard. |
| 15:54.24 | woshty | ompaul: ah, xmodmap looks like what i want to do. |
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| 15:56.14 | [SE]DJ-C0L7 | is there a help channel for suse server? |
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| 15:57.12 | jordanm | !tell [SE]DJ-C0L7 about suse |
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| 15:57.46 | ronin444 | hello debian community |
| 15:58.37 | ronin444 | i found a nice explanation how to install debian from usb |
| 15:58.52 | ronin444 | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 15:59.39 | ronin444 | can someone give a hint how to use grub instead of syslinux bootloader from sections 4.3.3 |
| 15:59.41 | [SE]DJ-C0L7 | i hate suse, i really do, i prefer debian server |
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| 16:02.44 | zykotick9 | ronin444, (terrible unsupported "hack" follows) syslinux isn't able to boot my main PC, so I use Unetbootin |
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| 16:04.00 | ronin444 | zykotick9, i tried unetbootin, and it starts booting but it ask to scan the cdrom and when the cd/dvd is not there the installer does not proceed |
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| 16:04.43 | zykotick9 | ronin444, that's odd - i've used both CD and netinstall cds with unetbootin successfully? Well, best of luck finding a solution. |
| 16:04.52 | zykotick9 | s/CD/CD1/ |
| 16:04.58 | ksk | unetbootin uses syslinux. its just an frontend/automagic tool |
| 16:05.07 | ronin444 | zykotick9, i tried to use syslinux but it needs fat16 and i made my partition ext3, because i want to use the dvd1 |
| 16:05.30 | ronin444 | zykotick9, thanks i use the dvd with unetbootin |
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| 16:05.45 | stew | ronin444: skip all this and just cp the iso to a usb stick and boot it. this was written before the isos were hybrid isos |
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| 16:06.43 | zykotick9 | stew, don't you mean cat/dd - i don't think cp would work (would it?) |
| 16:07.05 | stew | zykotick9: cp/cat/dd all would work |
| 16:07.14 | zykotick9 | stew, cool thanks |
| 16:07.32 | stew | you would cp to the device, not to a filesystem on the device |
| 16:08.11 | ronin444 | stew, how should i copy it, i tried with dd bs=4194304 if=/dev/debdvd.iso of=/dev/sdb1 and i could not boot |
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| 16:08.36 | zykotick9 | ronin444, sdb1 is a partition you want sdb |
| 16:08.38 | ksk | dd if=/uriso of=/dev/device |
| 16:08.48 | stew | ronin444: what zykotick9 said |
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| 16:09.07 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.31 | ksk | chrchr |
| 16:10.12 | guardian | hello, long short story: i had exim4-daemon-light + dovecot then used saslauthd for smtp auth. but now i'm installing spam assassin which requires switching from exim4-daemon-light to exim4-daemon-heavy. what would you do at that point? keep smtp auth with saslauthd or let dovecot do sasl now that exim4-daemon-heavy is here with dovecot authenticator??? |
| 16:10.28 | nkuttler | hm, how do i bring down a nic automatically when the cable is unplugged? |
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| 16:11.23 | stew | nkuttler: you might try ifplugd or netplug |
| 16:11.49 | nkuttler | stew: ty |
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| 16:14.44 | llutz | nkuttler: isn't "allow-hotplug ethX" doing that? |
| 16:15.34 | nkuttler | llutz: brings it only up for me. should it? |
| 16:15.41 | llutz | i thought so |
| 16:15.49 | nkuttler | hm |
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| 16:17.05 | nkuttler | oh that's odd. unplugging didn't show up in any logs either |
| 16:17.17 | stew | if it changes when the interface is taken down, then the manpage is out of date |
| 16:17.27 | stew | and it would certainly suprise me |
| 16:17.48 | stew | nkuttler: not all drivers will report this, if it doesn't you might need to use ifplugd instead of netplug |
| 16:18.00 | darius_w | is there other way to limit open files except etc/security/limits.conf ? increased limit from 1k to 100k but apache still gives Too many open files errors (apache process has about 1k open log files) |
| 16:18.48 | jordanm | darius_w: what version of debian? |
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| 16:20.23 | rm-rf | anyone know how to insert code into /etc/motd? |
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| 16:20.32 | rm-rf | or the best way to run a snippet of code whenever a user logs in and display the output? |
| 16:20.39 | darius_w | jordanm: lenny |
| 16:20.49 | ksk | isnt there a hardcoded value in many programms? @ darius_w |
| 16:21.13 | petemc | rm-rf: you edit /etc/motd.tail |
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| 16:21.13 | ksk | petemc: he wants "code" |
| 16:21.32 | ksk | rm-rf: you can use sth like bashrc (on per user or global basis) |
| 16:22.18 | jordanm | darius_w: "www-data hard nofile <foo>" did not work? |
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| 16:23.17 | darius_w | jordanm: su www-data and ulimit -Hn shows new limit, but errors left the same. |
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| 16:23.36 | rm-rf | ksk: i ended up using /etc/profile.d/ which worked perfectly |
| 16:23.38 | rm-rf | thanks |
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| 16:24.40 | jordanm | darius_w: it probably has something to do with the way apache starts as root and then uses seteuid() to the www-data user. try making the setting from root |
| 16:24.54 | jordanm | darius_w: since its not a "login" it may inherit the ulimit from root |
| 16:25.18 | darius_w | jordanm: i set it useing * in place of username |
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| 16:26.11 | darius_w | allso error shows mostly then accessing subversion reppo via apache web_dav |
| 16:26.15 | Kizano_werk | ompaul: If I install the unofficial kernel, you think that will give me out-of-the box support for the graphix (or at least minimal support so I can install more advanced drivers)? |
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| 16:28.30 | somiaj | Kizano_werk: which card? |
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| 16:28.53 | Kizano_werk | somiaj: http://goo.gl/m1Rpy |
| 16:29.15 | Kizano_werk | The graphics card on that laptop. Just got it for work and am trying to get the attached monitors to work. |
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| 16:29.55 | somiaj | have you tried 'xrandr -q' and seen if it sees the monintors and they are pluged in right? |
| 16:30.08 | Kizano_werk | Didn't know about that command - one sec. |
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| 16:31.51 | acu | Hey guys - anytime I install Debian Squeeze and I have some hardware which needs firmware removed from the kernel - I have the option to download them and have them in an usb stick - where is the location for all those drivers (I need AMD64 compatible drivers) for example I have an ATI card in laptop also an RTL8188CE - and so on - |
| 16:32.27 | Kizano_werk | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/NHzJLgH5 |
| 16:32.30 | somiaj | acu: lots of the firmware blobs are in the 'non-free' section, if you have a network card working on the machine you can just add that to your sources.list |
| 16:32.46 | somiaj | acu: packages.debian.org will fine them, for example that card needs firmware from firmware-realtek |
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| 16:33.29 | somiaj | Kizano_werk: check your xorg.log, which graphics driver are you using? (I'm guessing vesa -- might want to make sure you get the intel driver working first) |
| 16:33.33 | jordanm | !tell acu about realtek firmware |
| 16:33.53 | Kizano_werk | somiaj: okies - one sec. |
| 16:34.04 | somiaj | Kizano_werk: also check lspci or lshw and make sure its an intel graphics card as opposed to ati or nvidia. That link you sent me wasn't sure on the exact card in that model. |
| 16:34.27 | darius_w | jordanm: any more ideas? |
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| 16:35.04 | acu | somiaj: I did already aptitude install firmware-realtek wireless-tools but it does not automatically loading the driver - wonder how would I know what modprobe command should I give - my card is RTL8188CE |
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| 16:35.24 | somiaj | acu: You are running squeeze? |
| 16:35.32 | acu | or I am doing something wrong - somiaj yes squeeze |
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| 16:36.26 | Kizano-deb_werk | somiaj, working from here so I can copy/paste commands and links directly. |
| 16:37.50 | somiaj | acu: I'm trying to recall if the squeeze default kernel is new enough for that card (I use that card but am on sid here). check lsmod for the module 'rtl8192ce' and dmesg to see if you get any errors regarding that module |
| 16:37.56 | Kizano-deb_werk | somiaj: "00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Sandy Bridge Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)" <- lspci |
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| 16:38.27 | somiaj | Kizano-deb_werk: ok sandy bridge is to new for the default squeeze install. Last person I helped got it to work with the 2.6.39 backport kernel and the backported xorg. |
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| 16:38.39 | Kizano-deb_werk | somiaj, Also, I think this might help: I've currently got the monitors attached via a docking station, then DVI cables. The monitors also support VGA connections. I was wondering if I should use the VGA cables instead? |
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| 16:39.44 | somiaj | Kizano-deb_werk: vesa won't support the additional monintors, because of the sandy bridge you will need newer kernel/xorg than squeeze offers to get full support. |
| 16:39.51 | yareckon | hi guys, I am trying to get opening remote files working on my desktop similarly to how it worked in ubuntu |
| 16:40.10 | somiaj | !tell Kizano-deb_werk about debian-backports |
| 16:40.16 | yareckon | I want to set nautilus to a remote server, and be able to open files there with "open with" |
| 16:40.35 | yareckon | right now the only app that seems to work is gedit, and I want all apps to be able to do this through gvfs/fuse |
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| 16:41.07 | yareckon | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.17 | acu | somiaj: maybe I screwed everything before - I have tried several methods to make the ATI work - I made it trough proprietary drivers but I am sure I have screwed the kernel - most probably |
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| 16:41.27 | yareckon | can anyone git me a pointer? I am on testing |
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| 16:42.08 | yareckon | I recall getting it working on ubuntu also took some doing, so it's not like they had it working out of the box either |
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| 16:42.40 | yareckon | I am running gnome 3 if that has any bearing on the situation |
| 16:43.02 | acu | somiaj: lsmod shows only mii 3210 1 r8169 perhaps that is the ethernet Realtek ? |
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| 16:46.08 | mparodi | Hello |
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| 16:46.51 | acu | brb |
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| 16:47.18 | mparodi | where should I start if the sound stopped working (actually it works if I use headphones but the internal speakers doesn't work at all) but it works perfectly well using a live CD? |
| 16:47.31 | mparodi | I think it's happening since the last upgrade I did |
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| 16:49.01 | ronin444 | mparodi, you can try in your terminal alsamixer |
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| 16:51.54 | mparodi | oh, wait a minute, I have found something weird |
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| 16:52.16 | mparodi | is it normal wstaw.org/m/2011/11/29/plasma-desktopBd2434.jpg? |
| 16:52.24 | Loco | hsllo |
| 16:52.26 | mparodi | http://wstaw.org/m/2011/11/29/plasma-desktopBd2434.jpg |
| 16:52.29 | Loco | hello |
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| 16:52.45 | sanduz2 | installed cherokee via a script, it created and init script and added itself to rc, everything seems fine and i can run init manually, but for some reason it wont start up automatically even though there is indeed a link in rc2. any ideas? |
| 16:52.55 | Loco | i got a problem on a debian lenny root server ... my joomla installation could not connect to my sql database |
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| 16:53.00 | Loco | i dont know why |
| 16:53.03 | Loco | can anyone help me ? |
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| 16:54.07 | somiaj | acu: no, and ati and realtek are two different thigns. Focus on one at a time. The drvier for that card is rtl8192ce -- http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 16:54.24 | ronin444 | mparodi, i am not sure maybe someone else can give you hint |
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| 16:54.38 | mparodi | thank you anyway ronin444 |
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| 16:55.59 | Firztspawn | acu ignore the message - I got that as well |
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| 16:58.09 | Firztspawn | assuming you are using the same or similar chipset to me (your integrated graphics is almost exact) then your mobo doesn't use or need realtek drivers |
| 16:59.11 | acu | somiaj: thanks - the ATI works fine with proprietary driver (thanks to Firztspawn hint last evening)- I am working on the RTL - yes I am looking now at the debian link for it - For availability during install is one of this files needed in an usb ? - do I need to unzip untar them - or as they are is OK ? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/squeeze/current/ |
| 17:00.31 | Firztspawn | acu question: does lspci have realtek listed as audio? |
| 17:00.59 | Firztspawn | 'lspci | grep audio' |
| 17:01.12 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I just installed Debian Squeeze on an HP ProBook 4525s but it won't boot from the HD. |
| 17:01.24 | Pegasus_RPG | Says non-system disk or disk error |
| 17:01.44 | Pegasus_RPG | What can I try? It used to boot Windows 7 just fine and now I'm trying to dual-boot |
| 17:01.55 | Pegasus_RPG | via Grub, which finds the Win7 loader just fine |
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| 17:02.08 | Firztspawn | you have likely installed grub to the wrong partiton? |
| 17:02.35 | novacaine_ | hey, i'm looking for a video broadcasting software, i need to broadcast a video of a conference in some other rooms, do you know any name? |
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| 17:04.39 | Firztspawn | Pegasus_RPG so grub boots fine, you just cant find the linux install with it? |
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| 17:05.19 | acu | !paste |
| 17:05.19 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
| 17:05.35 | Pegasus_RPG | No, GRUB doesn't even start. NVM though, I had to set the Windows 7 Boot partition as the active one and it works fine now :) |
| 17:05.59 | sanduz2 | i installed cherokee webserver through a script. it created an init script and added itself to rc. i can start the daemon manually through the init script just fine, but it never starts automatically even though it is linked in the rc. can someone tell me what to try/check to see why this is happening? |
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| 17:06.59 | jhutchins_lt | sanduz2: It's best to use one of the init management tools like rcconf to enable startup scripts. |
| 17:07.04 | acu | Firztspawn and somiaj - here I pasted the lspci and lsmod http://paste.debian.net/147466/ |
| 17:07.35 | Firztspawn | near identical lspci as mine |
| 17:07.36 | sanduz2 | whats the command again, jhutchins |
| 17:07.40 | Pegasus_RPG | Firztspawn: ^ |
| 17:07.44 | Firztspawn | acu ignore the realtek message |
| 17:07.55 | sanduz2 | jhutchins_lt ^ |
| 17:08.06 | acu | OK |
| 17:08.12 | Pegasus_RPG | new question: the system beep is way too loud and the pitch is much lower than it's supposed to be. Where can I adjust that? |
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| 17:08.48 | Firztspawn | acu oh wait, what? |
| 17:08.58 | Firztspawn | you are concerned with audio or network? |
| 17:09.05 | sanduz2 | woops nvm, i found it |
| 17:09.53 | mparodi | where should I start if the sound stopped working (actually it works if I use headphones but the internal speakers doesn't work at all) but it works perfectly well using a live CD? I think it's happening since the last upgrade I did |
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| 17:10.29 | acu | Firztspawn, I just want to make the wifi work |
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| 17:10.55 | Firztspawn | acu ohhh, sorry, I was thinking you were talking about the audio |
| 17:11.05 | Firztspawn | sorry, I have put you wrong this time :( |
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| 17:11.23 | acu | not at all - thanks for willing to help |
| 17:11.42 | Firztspawn | I dont have wifi on this computer (desktop) |
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| 17:12.05 | ladyhawke | HELLO |
| 17:12.12 | Firztspawn | mparodi you may want to have a look at alsamixer |
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| 17:12.28 | mparodi | I did Firztspawn, it seems normal |
| 17:12.42 | jhutchins_lt | Hm, sound doesn't seem to be working, should be enabled when someone uses my nic... |
| 17:12.45 | ladyhawke | what type of chat is this? |
| 17:12.56 | acu | how stable is wheezy ? - I want to use this desktop heavily - and going to have some virtual machines et al - and I suppose wheezy would be better- but I do not want it broken every week |
| 17:13.06 | Firztspawn | internet relay chat |
| 17:13.12 | babilen | ladyhawke: This is a technical support channel for Debian (http://www.debian.org) |
| 17:13.14 | jhutchins_lt | acu: It's not. |
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| 17:13.20 | acu | ladyhawke: this chat is about immortality and love |
| 17:13.43 | ladyhawke | ohhh so beautifull |
| 17:13.52 | jhutchins_lt | acu: it will be broken as new components are moved into testing. |
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| 17:14.29 | mparodi | Firztspawn, http://wstaw.org/m/2011/11/29/plasma-desktopzR2434.jpg |
| 17:14.35 | mparodi | pretty normal |
| 17:14.40 | acu | we all want to be handsome/beautiful, intelligent, kind, educated, useful, be admired and loved - so ladyhawke you are at the right place (though it may be cryptic what we are talking about) :) |
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| 17:14.45 | jhutchins_lt | acu: Is there any reason not to use squeeze/stable? |
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| 17:15.08 | ladyhawke | yes |
| 17:15.20 | babilen | mparodi: Your speaker is muted (go to speaker and press "m" to unmute) |
| 17:15.21 | Firztspawn | mparodi alsamixer only lists the one audio device? what does pressing f6 show? |
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| 17:15.31 | mparodi | ohhhhhhhh |
| 17:15.32 | ladyhawke | but wait a moment because my english isn't very good |
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| 17:15.39 | ladyhawke | i'm italian girl |
| 17:15.43 | mparodi | I didn't notice the "MM" |
| 17:15.44 | acu | jhutchins_lt, no - I use mostly squeeze - just thought since the kernel for wheezy is new - all drivers would be updated - but I am going to use squeeze - I need a stable system |
| 17:15.50 | Firztspawn | babilen does speaker overide master? |
| 17:16.05 | mparodi | hahaha |
| 17:16.08 | mparodi | it's working |
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| 17:16.16 | Firztspawn | obviously it does |
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| 17:16.20 | Joelito | hello, how do I change the default file manager or "file:///" to be open by another app? |
| 17:16.22 | acu | ladyhawke, I was joking about love and so on... this is technical support/help for Debian GNU/Linux - the universal operating system |
| 17:16.23 | Firztspawn | learns something |
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| 17:16.33 | babilen | ladyhawke: Seriously: If you want to chat you are welcome to join #debian-offtopic (with "/join #debian-offtopic") -- but this particular channel is a support channel and not for general chit-chat. |
| 17:16.51 | babilen | acu: Please do not confuse people who join this channel. :) |
| 17:16.59 | acu | lol |
| 17:17.11 | ladyhawke | ah ok i understand |
| 17:17.53 | mparodi | weird, I'm absolutely sure yesterday one of the things I tried was to mute/unmute them. but KDE wasn't using this device, a while ago it said new devices were found, as I show you o.o |
| 17:17.57 | mparodi | anyway, thank you all! |
| 17:18.03 | babilen | !next |
| 17:18.04 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 17:18.06 | acu | ladyhawke: you should go on the #debian-offtopic if you want to talk anything else than Linux - otherwise you will see people getting mean without notice :) |
| 17:18.29 | ladyhawke | ok thanks |
| 17:19.00 | ladyhawke | byee |
| 17:19.08 | acu | see you ladyhawke |
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| 17:20.12 | acu | Another confused "potential" customer leaves the building :) ^^^^ |
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| 17:29.47 | philipp | hey |
| 17:30.02 | philipp | do i get a ban here for every stupid trolling too? |
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| 17:32.06 | GNU\colossus | I'd like to have a look into software development for Android - is it much of a pain to get a "toolchain" for that going on Debian? is this info: http://workaround.org/developing-android-applications-on-debian (about not using openjdk) still valid for squeeze? |
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| 17:33.14 | Guest12771 | how do i get a nick here? |
| 17:33.29 | babilen | Guest12771: /msg nickserv help register -- futher questions in #freenode |
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| 17:33.46 | stew | GNU\colossus: i use openjdk |
| 17:33.47 | babilen | GNU\colossus: I am using adb + toolset just fine with OpenJDK, but I am also not doing serious development. I'd recommend asking in #android-dev |
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| 17:34.43 | GNU\colossus | thanks. I won't be doing anything ambitious either :) my gf has an android phone and was looking for a teensy bit of extra functionality that I'd like to have a shot at. |
| 17:35.21 | ChibaPet | GNU\colossus, it might be worth your time to look into "Android Lighthouse" while you're at it. |
| 17:35.30 | ChibaPet | It's a Qt port for Androids. |
| 17:35.31 | stew | GNU\colossus: this page is pretty outdated at this point |
| 17:35.42 | GNU\colossus | ChibaPet, interesting. |
| 17:35.52 | trollface | arf someone was faster -.- |
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| 17:37.57 | ChibaPet | Are you choosing those, or is FreeNode assigning them to you? |
| 17:38.04 | born2troll | someone knows a nice channel here to chat? |
| 17:38.32 | stew | born2troll: #defocus |
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| 17:38.38 | babilen | born2troll: #defocus is the chat channel on freenode, but I would strongly recommend a different network. This (i.e. #debian) is a technical support channel for Debian (http://www.debian.org) |
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| 17:39.41 | born2troll | babilen i would love to be on irc.debian.org but some sucker banned me.... u mean a different channel or a different server? |
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| 17:40.47 | hellekin | born2troll: different network. Freenode is for free software. You also have Quake IRC, IRCnet, etc. |
| 17:41.17 | babilen | born2troll: Both -- Freenode is mainly about technical support. There are other networks (EFNet, DalNET,QuakeNET, ...) with a higher proportion of chat channels. You can "/join #defocus" for freenode's social channel, but I would recommend a different network (not OFTC) |
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| 17:41.52 | systemclient | How can I allow the user to shutdown the computer from LXDE (I use GDM)? |
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| 17:42.12 | born2troll | which one would you recommend? |
| 17:42.27 | born2troll | /dev/null? |
| 17:42.56 | hellekin | born2troll: http://irchelp.com/ :) IRCnet is the largest AFAIK |
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| 17:43.46 | babilen | born2troll: And please take it somewhere else now. This is a support channel not one for IRC help. |
| 17:43.48 | born2troll | why are here EXACTLY the same people then on the debian server? o_O |
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| 17:44.41 | hoverbear | systemclient: Is there a power group? |
| 17:44.58 | hoverbear | systemclient: iirc using gnome it worked fine out of the box. |
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| 17:45.35 | systemclient | hoverbear: with KDE it does too … how to I list the groups? |
| 17:45.51 | hoverbear | systemclient: cat /etc/passwd will show them |
| 17:46.30 | hoverbear | systemclient: Yes with kde too, and xfce... I have never used lxde but it should work as well. |
| 17:46.45 | hoverbear | Without adding peopel to groups |
| 17:46.48 | systemclient | hoverbear: I do not see any power group |
| 17:46.53 | born2troll | guys whats the best way to virtual a system a light waight gui on squezze(gnome) |
| 17:47.10 | hoverbear | born2troll: Light Weight != gnome. :-P |
| 17:47.10 | systemclient | born2troll: virtualbox? |
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| 17:47.26 | systemclient | hoverbear: well, if you set KDE as the point of reference ;-) |
| 17:47.28 | born2troll | virtualbox, alternatives? |
| 17:47.34 | hoverbear | born2troll: vmware |
| 17:47.37 | systemclient | born2troll: qemu, vmware |
| 17:47.39 | hoverbear | born2troll: qemu, kvm |
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| 17:48.01 | hoverbear | systemclient: KDE is about as heavy as they get. :-P |
| 17:48.27 | born2troll | okey the plan is to set up skype on a virtual system cause its spyware pure... what would u recommend for that? |
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| 17:48.54 | hoverbear | born2troll: Why not just not use skype? Google talk works perfectly and practically everyone has a google account |
| 17:48.56 | hellekin | born2troll: Windows :] </troll> |
| 17:49.27 | edju | Using parted on an external drive, I deleted sdb1 and resized sdb2 to fill the entire disk. I now have sdb2 and no sdb1. Is there a way to change the device to sdb1? |
| 17:49.52 | ChibaPet | edju, did you delete sdb1 or set its size to zero? |
| 17:49.55 | hoverbear | edju: Delete sdb2 and make a new partition would work. Might be another way. |
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| 17:50.28 | edju | ChibaPet, deleted it. |
| 17:50.40 | systemclient | okay, anyone an idea how to get the user in lxde to shutdown the system? |
| 17:50.57 | hellekin | edju: you want to keep data from sdb2, right? |
| 17:51.05 | born2troll | hellekin because the suckers from my class at school are too fail for that stuff.. they have skype and facebook and there i choose skype... my first choice would be egika anyway -.- |
| 17:51.10 | edju | hellekin, Yes. |
| 17:52.13 | zykotick9 | edju, have you restarted the system since deleting sdb1? (i figured the kerenl would automatically rename it, but certainly could be wrong) |
| 17:52.51 | hellekin | I think zykotick9 has a point |
| 17:52.58 | edju | zykotick9, No, I haven't. Will try, though. |
| 17:53.20 | jhutchins | hoverbear: /etc/passwd does not contain groups. |
| 17:53.33 | hoverbear | jhutchins: You're right. :-p I screwed up |
| 17:53.45 | edju | Back in a bit. |
| 17:53.46 | systemclient | jhutchins: where are they then? |
| 17:53.48 | jhutchins | hoverbear: It's only users. /etc/group |
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| 17:54.08 | jhutchins | systemclient: You can see what you are a member of with the groups command |
| 17:54.21 | born2troll | come on guys what constelation would you recommend to get basically skype in a condom? vm? os? other way? |
| 17:54.23 | jhutchins | systemclient: You will not become a member of a group you are added to until your next login. |
| 17:54.25 | systemclient | there is a powerdev:x:117: group |
| 17:54.51 | systemclient | jhutchins: so add the user to the powerdev group? |
| 17:55.35 | babilen | systemclient: Are you not a member already? ("groups") -- See also "/msg dpkg desktop groups" |
| 17:55.44 | hoverbear | born2troll: I find myself really not modivated to attempt to answer more then the most basic questions from somone named "born2troll" who asks remarkably stupid questions. |
| 17:55.49 | hellekin | born2troll: you had at least 4 recommendations already... Why not choose from them? I would use kvm personally. Don't know about the GUIs though. |
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| 17:55.53 | jhutchins | systemclient: That doesn't seem right. |
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| 17:56.07 | systemclient | babilen: no, I am not a member of the powerdev group |
| 17:56.11 | orangey | hello all |
| 17:56.14 | systemclient | jhutchins: I have no idea … what should it be? |
| 17:56.26 | orangey | how do I ban an IP that's trying to DoS me? I put it in hosts.deny, but it doesn't seem to do anything. do I need to restart a service? |
| 17:56.27 | born2troll | hoverbear than shut up and dont spam rasist bastard |
| 17:56.31 | babilen | systemclient: Then add your user to it (adduser YOURUSER powerdev) |
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| 17:57.03 | babilen | born2troll, hoverbear: Lets be friendly, ok? |
| 17:57.05 | simonlnu | doesn't how that hoverbear's comment was "rasist" |
| 17:57.14 | simonlnu | see* |
| 17:57.20 | systemclient | babilen: I'll try |
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| 17:57.39 | born2troll | hellekin because there are just a list of vms not a recommandation... i dont know what vm is the best in my case... and on os im even more clueless.... |
| 17:57.44 | hoverbear | Hahah, babilen I'm trying. I already have been trying to help. |
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| 17:58.09 | jhutchins | systemclient: http://www.spencerstirling.com/computergeek/shutdown.html |
| 17:58.15 | hoverbear | born2troll: virtualbox with debian and xorg that has .xinitrc with skype called directly, no wm. Done. |
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| 17:59.03 | systemclient | jhutchins: hmm, there are no lxde specific instructions though |
| 17:59.04 | hellekin | orangey: you need iptables... Something like iptables -A INPUT -i <ip> -j DROP (but please, do check) |
| 17:59.13 | born2troll | hoverbear where do i get a debian with just xorg? |
| 17:59.17 | orangey | hellekin: OK, thank you |
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| 17:59.31 | systemclient | born2troll: netinstall I'd say |
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| 17:59.39 | hoverbear | born2troll: use a net install and install it yourself. |
| 17:59.45 | Gerben | born2troll, You want a dedicated Skype VM? Why would you want that if I may ask? |
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| 18:00.09 | systemclient | couldn't I write a bash script and make it setuid? |
| 18:00.23 | systemclient | and that would contain "halt" or so, put it onto the desktop |
| 18:00.25 | jhutchins | systemclient: There are xfce specific instructions in the xfce faq at http://wiki.xfce.org/faq |
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| 18:00.36 | systemclient | jhutchins: I use LXDE though :-/ |
| 18:00.45 | jhutchins | Oops. |
| 18:00.50 | babilen | :) |
| 18:00.53 | hoverbear | Gerben: Because quote: "it's spyware pure and my classmails are fail" |
| 18:00.54 | born2troll | Gerben cause i busted skype when it was sending gigabites of data right to a server somewhere in agentinia |
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| 18:01.22 | Gerben | ok |
| 18:01.32 | Gerben | And it won't do that when it's in a VM? |
| 18:01.38 | jordanm | systemclient: you can't suid a shell script |
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| 18:02.00 | jordanm | systemclient: you would need to suid the interpreter, which is not something that you want |
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| 18:02.26 | systemclient | jordanm: but I could setuid /sbin/halt and create a script that calls it as a regular user? |
| 18:02.34 | jhutchins | systemclient: Unfortunately the lxde server appears to be down. |
| 18:02.42 | nardev | When i try to open any "bookmarked" location from "Custom menu bar" it tries to open it with VLC media player. How can i change that? where is location of "custom menu bar" config file? |
| 18:02.54 | systemclient | jhutchins: yeah, I have seen that already … not very handy |
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| 18:03.24 | jordanm | systemclient: should work |
| 18:03.27 | Gerben | born2troll, I think you can better configure a firewall, possibly a software firewall (no experience) from this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_firewall#Linux |
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| 18:03.49 | systemclient | jordanm: I guess it is not very clean, but there are normal people who have to be able to shut this machine down somehow … |
| 18:03.52 | jordanm | systemclient: unless halt does something like check uid of the user running it |
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| 18:04.03 | orangey | hellekin: sudo iptables -I INPUT -s <badip> -j DROP |
| 18:04.09 | systemclient | jordanm: I'll try |
| 18:04.10 | jhutchins | I think born2troll already knows too much for us to help him. |
| 18:04.14 | jordanm | systemclient: ctrl+alt+delete at the console? |
| 18:04.22 | orangey | hellekin: I wonder why debian doesn't just take hosts.deny and use that instead |
| 18:04.36 | systemclient | jordanm: well, one would have to switch to the console, to complicated for the average joe |
| 18:05.11 | jhutchins | systemclient: Do you have lxsession? |
| 18:05.12 | jordanm | systemclient: oh, this is a desktop system? there are daemons that provide that functionality in most desktop environments |
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| 18:05.22 | hellekin | orangey: hosts.deny is for TCP wrappers, it won't help against other traffic such as UDP / ICMP / IGMP / STCP, etc. |
| 18:05.26 | systemclient | jordanm: yes |
| 18:05.39 | jordanm | systemclient: one which you should probably be using if its targetted for "the average joe" |
| 18:05.52 | hellekin | orangey: iptables is kernel firewall for all network traffic |
| 18:06.02 | systemclient | jordanm: it is a machine for scanning barcodes. They power it up, it starts the system, and they need to be able to power it down |
| 18:06.04 | orangey | hellekin: the point re: having one file where a ban list can happen stands ; ) |
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| 18:06.33 | systemclient | jordanm: what is lxsession good for` |
| 18:06.42 | orangey | well, damn. I think when I blocked that one, it triggered another server in the botnet that is way better, and now I can't get any access to the server ; ) |
| 18:06.44 | jordanm | never used it |
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| 18:07.15 | systemclient | jordanm: anyway, my bash-script + halt-setuid works |
| 18:07.16 | hellekin | orangey: check shorewall (/etc/shorewall/blacklist) and the fail2ban package for an example of network attack to firewall rule conversion. (aka grey ICE ;o) |
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| 18:07.43 | jhutchins | systemclient: According to the cached version of the lxde all you need is to be a member of the powerdev group, as bablien suggested. Did you do what he said? |
| 18:08.00 | jhutchins | systemclient: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ginE8LMR5rsJ:wiki.lxde.org/en/Debian+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=iceweasel-a |
| 18:08.01 | systemclient | jhutchins: I am member of powerdev, I'll try once the computer rebooted |
| 18:08.15 | jhutchins | systemclient: You don't have to reboot, just log out and back in. |
| 18:08.22 | jhutchins | systemclient: Or log in in a new session. |
| 18:08.24 | orangey | hellekin: thank you! |
| 18:08.28 | systemclient | jhutchins: I just tried my /sbin/halt script |
| 18:08.30 | edju | Rebooting didn't rename the device - guess I'll backup and reformat. |
| 18:08.31 | babilen | systemclient: Are you actually a member yet? (i.e. did you either logout/login or used some newgrp magic?) |
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| 18:08.51 | hellekin | orangey: the problem with DOS is that IP addresses are available for attacks. It's not like if people didn't use Windows and offer zombie hosts in the thousands. |
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| 18:08.57 | Gerben | systemclient, you can use the "id" command to check |
| 18:08.58 | systemclient | babilen: I am a member now |
| 18:09.12 | systemclient | Gerben: id and groups tells me I am a member |
| 18:09.13 | orangey | hellekin: heheh ; ) |
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| 18:09.30 | babilen | systemclient: But it is still not working? |
| 18:09.33 | systemclient | Gerben: babilen: jhutchins: hmm, it now works with the graphical command |
| 18:09.42 | babilen | ack, great |
| 18:10.01 | acu | is there an image of Debian Squeeze AMD64 with proprietary drivers (non-free) added ? |
| 18:10.04 | systemclient | babilen: yeah, thanks you all! |
| 18:10.15 | hellekin | orangey: if you have A LOT of bandwidth and computing power to throw in, you can REJECT the packets instead ;o) |
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| 18:11.01 | hellekin | orangey: but against a DDOS, it still won't help shutting down all the attackers. |
| 18:11.17 | hellekin | just slow down the Internet ;o) |
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| 18:11.43 | jhutchins | acu: What specific driver do you need? |
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| 18:13.52 | edju | Just to check - if I take sdb2 out of fstab and reformat, that should do it? Back to sdb1? |
| 18:14.29 | hellekin | edju: if you rebuild the partition table, yes. But you rebooted, and the device is still sdb2? |
| 18:14.42 | jhutchins | edju: No, sdb2 will still be the second partition on the second storage device. |
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| 18:14.50 | edju | hellekin, yes, still 2. |
| 18:15.17 | hellekin | edju: and it's the only partition on the disk? |
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| 18:15.19 | systemclient | hellekin: just drop a MOAB or daisycutter, will take care of DDoS attackers ;-) |
| 18:15.23 | jhutchins | edju: The only way you can change that is if the device is detected in a different order for some reason. |
| 18:15.43 | edju | jhutchins, There is only one partition. |
| 18:16.01 | Gerben | edju, could you (possibly re-) explain the question? |
| 18:16.06 | jhutchins | edju: According to what? What does fdisk -l /dev/sdb say? |
| 18:16.15 | Gerben | Anything related to fstab can be done using UUID's |
| 18:16.23 | zykotick9 | or LABELS |
| 18:16.30 | hellekin | systemclient: thanks for the pointers :) |
| 18:16.31 | Gerben | correct.. |
| 18:17.04 | jhutchins | edju: ? |
| 18:17.26 | systemclient | hellekin: I just played too much Command & Conquer Generals :-) |
| 18:17.47 | edju | jhutchins, fdisk -l shows one partition, sdb2. That's really the who;le disk. |
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| 18:17.53 | hellekin | systemclient: I was about to mention video games :) |
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| 18:18.06 | Gerben | edju, http://wiki.debian.org/fstab#Labels |
| 18:18.30 | hellekin | edju: how much data do you have on the partition? |
| 18:18.31 | Gerben | If sdb2 shows your full disk capacity, the device name is not important |
| 18:18.37 | zykotick9 | edju, why does sdb1 vs sdb2 matter to you? |
| 18:18.38 | Gerben | with hellekin :) |
| 18:18.39 | jhutchins | edju: Please pastebin the output of fdisk -l |
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| 18:20.01 | acu | jhutchins, Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter ------- ATI Technologies Inc M880G [Mobility Radeon HD 4200] ---- the MicroSD does not work either - so far I made the ATI Radeon card work with proprietary driver - so I am fine with that - I want to reinstall Squeeze AM64 clean in this laptop - and I remember before it was a Debian Squeeze .iso file with the proprietary drivers on the same CD - I forgot |
| 18:20.02 | acu | the link |
| 18:20.13 | hellekin | also edju, zykotick9 has another point. If it's about detecting your disk, you should use a label |
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| 18:20.17 | nsadmin | unless it's between sda2 and seb2 |
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| 18:20.44 | mstrcnvs | what's the difference between 'su' and 'su -' |
| 18:20.46 | edju | jhutchins, http://pastebin.com/idn3mnPQ |
| 18:21.18 | zykotick9 | mstrcnvs, the - simulates a login, ie. give a more proper environment |
| 18:21.18 | flyz | 'su -' updates environment |
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| 18:21.22 | flyz | slow |
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| 18:21.43 | babilen | mstrcnvs: The latter will cause the environment to be reinitialised (to the state it would have been in if you logged in as that user in the first place) -- It is more secure and the recommended way fwiw |
| 18:21.45 | jhutchins | mstrcnvs: Many distros have configured su so that it works the same either way, but using - allows you to have the full environment and path of the specified user. |
| 18:21.52 | nsadmin | su - -replaces- env |
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| 18:22.32 | babilen | yeah, that is probably the best term |
| 18:22.32 | hellekin | edju: man e2label. Once you have a label on your partition, you can access it with /dev/disk/by-label/your-disk-label |
| 18:22.46 | jhutchins | edju: The full output showing both devices please. |
| 18:22.50 | nsadmin | but remember, every process has its -own- env |
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| 18:23.24 | gusto | someone an idea how can i get apt-get or aptitude or whatever to remove all packages that are from debian-multimedia repository? |
| 18:23.42 | nsadmin | so... su really copies env, su - does not, and is told to assume a "login" shell |
| 18:23.56 | babilen | gusto: aptitude purge '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' |
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| 18:24.17 | mjt | also http://stateful.de/~carsten/bin/apt-listrepository |
| 18:24.27 | gusto | babilen: thanks |
| 18:25.06 | hellekin | thank you for the question gusto :) |
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| 18:26.25 | hellekin | babilen: very nice command line. I'm learning. |
| 18:26.57 | jhutchins | edju: The fact that the partition starts at 2048 suggests that there's something else on the disk. |
| 18:27.20 | hellekin | jhutchins: or it's aligned |
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| 18:27.30 | hellekin | but that's a lot of blocks |
| 18:27.32 | babilen | hellekin: For maximum brainfuck see "/msg dpkg not available" and read http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=579603 |
| 18:27.36 | systemclient | jhutchins: maybe unallocated space though |
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| 18:28.32 | hellekin | babilen: sweet :) |
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| 18:30.00 | nsadmin | systemclient, if you run cfdisk just to see, it should show you whether and where the unalloced space is |
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| 18:31.51 | edju | jhutchins, Sorry - http://paste2.org/p/1802246 |
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| 18:33.38 | jhutchins | edju: So you apparently deleted the partition that was from 1 to 2048. |
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| 18:34.01 | jhutchins | edju: This may not be standard partition table that's valid for all systems. What was your goal again? |
| 18:34.22 | jesselang | How can I delete a dconf I created? |
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| 18:34.35 | abrotman | how did you add it ? |
| 18:34.36 | jesselang | Rather, how can I delete a dconf key I created? |
| 18:34.45 | jelly-home | what is a "dconf key" |
| 18:34.50 | abrotman | gconf ? |
| 18:35.04 | zykotick9 | abrotman, dconf is the gnome3 version of gconf |
| 18:35.06 | jesselang | dconf write /apps/empathy/use_nm |
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| 18:35.14 | jesselang | dconf write /apps/empathy/use_nm false |
| 18:35.20 | edju | jhutchins, Just to have that one partition id'd as sdb1, not sdb2. |
| 18:35.34 | Gerben | jhutchins, do you really think he had a 2048 byte partition? I guess it is just aligned, and I wouldn't worry about 2048 bytes anyway, just label it, put that in fstab, done |
| 18:35.37 | zykotick9 | edju, but WHY does it matter? |
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| 18:36.35 | jhutchins | Gerben: 512 b sectors, 250G disk. |
| 18:36.35 | abrotman | zykotick9: of course they had to change it :) |
| 18:37.05 | jhutchins | edju: I don't know what gparted might do with it, but it could probably expand the partition into the empty space. |
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| 18:37.23 | edju | zykotick9, Well, uhhh - i dunno - it's just that the cosmos is out of whack. A single partition should be 1, not 2. But, if it makes no difference, I'll just leave it. |
| 18:37.33 | jhutchins | edju: Definitive method would be to remove the partition and write a new partition table with only sdb1, then restore the data. |
| 18:38.35 | Zitter | is there a based debian distro for eeepc netbook? any suggestion? |
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| 18:38.59 | Gerben | Zitter, what are your functional requirements, what do you want? |
| 18:39.00 | Zitter | i'm looking for eeebuntu, but it's based on ubuntu |
| 18:39.10 | edju | Thanks, all. Sometimes doing nothing is best. |
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| 18:39.25 | Gerben | eg, if you install the default Debian ISO, you can probably install it |
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| 18:39.46 | Gerben | (apart from specific drivers etc I don't know of) |
| 18:39.53 | wilfredor | Hi, How I could save a file from wget with another name? |
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| 18:40.07 | Gerben | wilfredor, wget -O /path/where/you/want/it |
| 18:40.15 | mstrcnvs | how can I set up to the files that some user creates cannot be read by others users, like, executing automatically 'o-rwx' on every file... |
| 18:40.20 | hellekin | Zitter: freeee.org no? |
| 18:40.35 | Zitter | Gerben, a customer of mine give a netbook to upgrade, and it's a eeebuntu distro. I would like to avoid a dist-upgrade, installing a debian. But I prefer a ready customized on |
| 18:40.35 | wilfredor | Gerben: ok |
| 18:40.43 | jordanm | !tell mstrcnvs about umask |
| 18:40.54 | Zitter | netbook is an acer aspire one |
| 18:41.16 | wilfredor | Gerben: some doc? |
| 18:41.34 | hellekin | Zitter: http://eeepc.debian.net/ |
| 18:41.45 | Gerben | wilfredor, man wget |
| 18:41.47 | stew | Zitter: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC |
| 18:42.33 | Zitter | ok, thanks. |
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| 18:44.20 | tdn_ | Is there a tool for debian that will allow me to rip CDs via command line to ogg or flac -- and preferably also do the following: 1) auto fetch TOC from cddb or similar, and 2) automate the process so that I only need to insert cd, press enter; rinse, repeat.... |
| 18:44.41 | mhall119 | Zitter: isn't eeebuntu designed for the Asus EeePC, not the Acer Aspire? |
| 18:44.42 | zykotick9 | tdn, abcde |
| 18:45.19 | ycr | which is the channel for help? |
| 18:45.20 | tdn_ | zykotick9, thanks. |
| 18:45.23 | ycr | in debian |
| 18:45.27 | tdn_ | ycr, this one. |
| 18:45.35 | Zitter | mhall119, don't know. But I've looked and it works well. |
| 18:45.36 | tdn_ | ycr, ask your question. |
| 18:45.40 | Pegasus_RPG | Has anyone gotten a Synaptics Clickpad to work correctly in KDE on Debian Squeeze? |
| 18:46.27 | ycr | thanks my problem is with the icons for the gnome-shell extensions that are not displayed after |
| 18:46.47 | ycr | i remove the default icons for a new theme |
| 18:47.10 | ycr | now i have just the letters without icons |
| 18:48.01 | mstrcnvs | If I do a 'chmod o-rwx' to the /home dir am I preventing the access the its subdirectories too? |
| 18:48.44 | Gerben | mstrcnvs, you need "x" access to open the dir/read it's contents |
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| 18:49.02 | Gerben | without "-R" chmod won't change permissions recursively |
| 18:49.14 | stew | mstrcnvs: yes |
| 18:49.22 | stew | you don't need to make the change recursively |
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| 18:50.10 | stew | well, wait, perhaps you do |
| 18:50.51 | stew | mstrcnvs: sorry, I lied. without +r on the directory, the users cannot discover the subdirectories, but if they know the subdirectories they can list those |
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| 18:51.51 | Gerben | stew, http://pastebin.com/fuwhzeMr |
| 18:52.08 | Gerben | just some experimentation ... |
| 18:52.29 | Gerben | "toegang geweigerd" == access denied by the way |
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| 18:54.45 | jhutchins | should handbrake-gtk work on a lenny kde installation? |
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| 18:55.23 | jhutchins | Doesn't appear to have unmet dependencies, but (handbrake-gtk:2027): Gtk-WARNING **: Failed to set property GtkToolbar.icon-size to GTK_ICON_SIZE_DND: Could not parse integer `GTK_ICON_SIZE_DND' |
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| 18:58.07 | tdn_ | zykotick9, wow, abcde looks nice! However, the man page is rather complex. Can you give an example of how you use it? |
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| 19:01.07 | zykotick9 | tdn_, you mainly have to setup your .abcde.conf file. To "use it" just put in a cd and try running "abcde" - BTW you can rip to both OGG and FLAC at the same time if you want. It is a bit "complex" to get setup, but once it is, it's very solid. Best of luck. |
| 19:03.04 | gentz | I want to do echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq on every boot. I was thinkign of putting in crontab @reboot. But maybe there is another place I can store a script. where is the correct place to put this sort of thing? |
| 19:03.26 | tdn_ | gentz, sysctl |
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| 19:04.01 | jesselang | Why can't I remove a dconf key? This is just silly. |
| 19:04.34 | Gerben | jesselang, do you have a hard disk? (eg: be more specific) |
| 19:05.10 | gentz | tdn_: ty |
| 19:05.17 | jesselang | Gerben, what does that have to do with dconf? |
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| 19:05.56 | Gerben | jesselang, what I'm trying to say is, what command are you trying, and what is the message you are getting? |
| 19:07.47 | jesselang | Gerben, nm. I realize that it did work. |
| 19:07.56 | jesselang | dconf write <key> |
| 19:07.59 | jesselang | With no value. |
| 19:08.22 | jesselang | It gives a message about an assertion failing, but the exit code is 0, and it appears to be gone when I look in dconf-editor. |
| 19:08.24 | jesselang | Thanks. |
| 19:08.39 | Gerben | ok,np |
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| 19:09.59 | Quibus | hi all, since Iceweasel got updated to 8, I have temporary hang-ups on Flash sites like YOuTube and after the hangup, the flashplugin is nowhere to be seen |
| 19:10.18 | Quibus | I see processes like this: manuel 12169 12021 0 19:51 ? 00:00:00 [plugin-containe] <defunct> |
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| 19:10.34 | Quibus | What could be wrong? |
| 19:11.00 | jelly-home | Quibus: its parent process, pid 12021, doesn't care about that dead child |
| 19:11.19 | Quibus | I have several of those and no working flash since the upgrade |
| 19:11.21 | jelly-home | Quibus: not much wrong, just a somewhat buggy application |
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| 19:11.54 | Quibus | 12021 is iceweasel |
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| 19:13.17 | Quibus | OK, even after removing the flashplugin-nonfree package, I get still those hangups |
| 19:13.29 | wilfredor | How I could delete all crontab entries for the current user? |
| 19:13.45 | jelly-home | Quibus: and after restarting the browser? |
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| 19:14.08 | ChibaPet | wildredor, crontab -r removes the current user's crontab |
| 19:14.09 | jelly-home | wilfredor: run "crontab -h" to get some basic help |
| 19:14.12 | Quibus | checking |
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| 19:14.19 | ChibaPet | wilfredor* |
| 19:14.21 | Quibus | OK, now I get gnash |
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| 19:14.41 | jelly-home | I'm not exactly sure that's an improvement <g> |
| 19:15.03 | Quibus | not really, it seems :P |
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| 19:15.52 | jesselang | I can't seem to get empathy to work. My host is running wheezy has a static IP. I have disabled network-manager because it clears my resolv.conf |
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| 19:16.48 | jesselang | I've read about empathy using nm for detecting a connection. Is there any way to get empathy working without network-manager? |
| 19:17.19 | thewanderer1 | jesselang, start network-manager but don't let it manage your interfaces? |
| 19:17.40 | jesselang | thewanderer1, that doesn't work. It still screws up /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:17.42 | thewanderer1 | or remove it completely |
| 19:17.57 | thewanderer1 | try getting rid of "resolvconf" package... or chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 19:19.56 | jesselang | thewanderer1, removing nm removes gnome. |
| 19:20.29 | thewanderer1 | oh... I don't have it installed in Squeeze, maybe it changed in Wheezy? |
| 19:20.49 | jesselang | Probably with the advent of GNOME 3. |
| 19:20.53 | thewanderer1 | (i.e. nm-applet added to GNOME dependencies?) |
| 19:21.13 | thewanderer1 | I'm installing Sid, I'll find out soon :P |
| 19:21.23 | jesselang | You're the brave one. |
| 19:21.31 | thewanderer1 | by the way, apt is set for automatic package removal, no? and GNOME is just the metapackage |
| 19:21.46 | thewanderer1 | there was this option for disabling autoremove in apt... |
| 19:22.02 | jesselang | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 19:22.02 | jesselang | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.02 | jesselang | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:23.04 | thewanderer1 | looks like just metapackages |
| 19:23.21 | thewanderer1 | although gnome-core depending on network-manager-gnome is quite disturbing |
| 19:23.49 | thewanderer1 | and if you disable the nm daemon, empathy won't connect? |
| 19:23.55 | Gerben | thewanderer1, jesselang Gnome is a metapackage. Metapackages only contain dependencies. If you would forse apt to not remove the meta-package. You would have a metapackage gnome installed, with a dependency on networkmanager, without it being installed. |
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| 19:24.23 | Gerben | It's a guarantee for more problems later on. |
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| 19:24.58 | Gerben | thewanderer1, you wan't some custom dns entry if I remember well? |
| 19:25.14 | jesselang | thewanderer1, after stopping nm and logging out and back in, empathy now works. |
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| 19:25.46 | thewanderer1 | jesselang, ok, prevent nm from starting then |
| 19:25.47 | jesselang | Now to see if I can keep nm disabled. I ran "insserv -r network-manager", but it seemed to start again after reboot. |
| 19:26.02 | jesselang | I guess I'll chmod it if I have to. |
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| 19:26.04 | thewanderer1 | jesselang, update-rc.d-insserv network-manager disable |
| 19:26.09 | evilaim | Hello |
| 19:26.11 | evilaim | I have a file in ~/bin |
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| 19:26.34 | jesselang | Oh, that's news to me. |
| 19:26.41 | evilaim | it's a script. How do I make it use just 'script' instead of 'cd dir/ && ./script' |
| 19:27.11 | jesselang | thewanderer1, handy, thanks. |
| 19:27.16 | Gerben | evilaim, put export PATH=${PATH}:/home/yourusername/bin in your ~/.bashrc |
| 19:27.48 | Gerben | on the bottom.. |
| 19:27.55 | evilaim | K, did that |
| 19:27.58 | guardian | hello, long short story: i had exim4-daemon-light + dovecot then used saslauthd for smtp auth. but now i'm installing spam assassin which requires switching from exim4-daemon-light to exim4-daemon-heavy. what would you do at that point? keep smtp auth with saslauthd or let dovecot do sasl now that exim4-daemon-heavy is here with dovecot authenticator??? |
| 19:28.15 | evilaim | still says "command not found" |
| 19:28.30 | Gerben | evilaim, logon/logoff or start a new shell |
| 19:28.35 | Gerben | or "source ~/.bashrc" |
| 19:29.04 | stew | evilaim: you really should be doing that in .bash_profile instead of .bashrc. and this will require you executing that PATH statement by hand in existing logins, as .bash_profile only runs at login |
| 19:29.20 | evilaim | Merci! |
| 19:29.23 | evilaim | works mint:) |
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| 19:31.30 | Gerben | stew, thanks... Learned some :) |
| 19:32.03 | Gerben | http://www.joshstaiger.org/archives/2005/07/bash_profile_vs.html |
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| 19:32.31 | stew | Gerben: if you put it in .bashrc instead of .bash_profile, your PATH gets longer with every new shell, so login, startx, start an xterm, in that exterm run "bash" inside that bash, you will have the same directory on the PATH 3 times now |
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| 19:33.00 | kurtbro | anyone recommend a tutorial for a lightweight debian, im working with just 128mb ram lol |
| 19:33.31 | thewanderer1 | kurtbro, just choose LXDE as your desktop environment when installing (in the menu, before booting the installer) and it'll work fine |
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| 19:34.38 | kurtbro | oh I have done just the base install and have installed icewm, looking for like what tools and applications are really lightweight |
| 19:34.52 | stew | kurtbro: tools to do what? |
| 19:35.30 | kurtbro | well web browsing has been my main bug bear at the min, getting used to links2 -g but some sites dont wanna work with it |
| 19:35.45 | kurtbro | also something else for irc as xchat is a bit pants |
| 19:35.54 | stew | !best irc client |
| 19:35.54 | dpkg | hmm... irssi is the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup . See also http://irssi.org/documentation/faq . http://www.irssi.org/ #irssi on open.ircnet.net and irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:36.27 | stew | kurtbro: is the problem with links a lack of javascript? |
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| 19:36.44 | kurtbro | i did install irssi it but looks a steep learning curve |
| 19:36.59 | kurtbro | yea stew things like javascript captchas not loading etc |
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| 19:38.00 | stew | i don't think a lightweight javascript enabled browser exists |
| 19:38.30 | kurtbro | no I seem to have gathered that, will just have to deal with it until payday |
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| 19:39.02 | takahiro | does installing ipset require a kernel recompile or a reboot? |
| 19:39.04 | kurtbro | ok gonna go try irssi again :D |
| 19:39.10 | kurtbro | thanks for your help guys |
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| 19:44.00 | takahiro | anyone know some good web spam blocking packages for debian? |
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| 19:45.45 | jhutchins_lt | takahiro: What are you trying to block? Advertisements? Which browser are you using? |
| 19:47.10 | ycr | hello i change the icon theme but now my gnome-shell-extension are without icons i reinstalled the default themes but my problem still do someone know how to fix this problem? |
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| 19:47.53 | ronin444 | stew, thanks for your hint, debian boot beautifully from usb, i used dd bs=4M if=/path/to/deb.iso of=/dev/sdb |
| 19:48.13 | takahiro | jhutchins_lt: trying to block blog spammers on my web server at the iptables level |
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| 19:50.49 | ronin444 | also some feedback |
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| 19:51.25 | ronin444 | i was trying to install debian dvd 64 from dvd to external hard drive via usb |
| 19:51.34 | jhutchins_lt | takahiro: That's probably not very productive. You can block some ip ranges, but real spammers are going to use constantly changing IPs. |
| 19:51.45 | jhutchins_lt | takahiro: They're going to relay through bot/zombie nets. |
| 19:51.46 | Gerben | takahiro, I don't know of some plug and play stuff. But if you detect the spammers in your webapp, log that to your web servers log file, and then use fail2ban to IP-ban them |
| 19:52.01 | Gerben | I use that to block script kiddies from my login forms |
| 19:52.06 | ronin444 | when booting and installing from dvdrom the installer was freezing while scanning for storage devices |
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| 19:52.32 | ronin444 | now i am booting and installing from usb flash to usb external and all goes good |
| 19:53.03 | quitte | hi. quite some time ago my bouse button started bouncing. every now and then it creates two clicks when I click once. I always assumed it was a hardware issue, but now i noticed the same behaviour on my netbooks touchpad. |
| 19:53.52 | Gerben | jhutchins_lt is right by the way, It will only slow them down a bit, that's why fail2ban will only ban them for like 10 minutes or so. But you could use it as an extra measure next to other methods. |
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| 19:54.18 | cccc828 | quitte: if it is the touchpad, you can disable all sorts of clicks (like two fingers etc) in xorg.conf |
| 19:54.56 | quitte | cccc828: the touchpads buttons create two clicks instead of one every now and then. |
| 19:55.02 | takahiro | jhutchins_lt: doesn't have to be perfect... the same few ips are spamming my blog like crazy, and wordpress catches them all, but i want to block it with iptables directly so they don't even get a chance to touch apache - because my usage meter goes crazy when the spammers come |
| 19:55.35 | jhutchins_lt | takahiro: Frankly I use shorewall for that, makes adding an IP to the block list quick and easy. |
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| 19:57.41 | takahiro | ah cool, shorewall looks interesting |
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| 19:58.10 | jhutchins_lt | takahiro: It's really overkill, but trying to remember the format for the iptables commands is more difficult. |
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| 19:59.54 | cccc828 | quitte: can it be that you accidentally touch the trackpad and so create a second click? |
| 20:00.17 | cccc828 | (this was a problem for me when typing on a laptop keyboard with a touch sensitive trackpad) |
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| 20:00.56 | quitte | cccc828: no. it happens with a regular mouse,too |
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| 20:03.07 | cccc828 | quitte, I fear that I have no idea where the problem could lie. Did you try a linux live CD to check if the problem happens there as well? |
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| 20:09.32 | ronin444 | takahiro, some nice anti ddos script to look at |
| 20:09.36 | ronin444 | http://pastebin.com/U3G27htL |
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| 20:10.27 | ronin444 | http://pastebin.com/nPaX9CsS |
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| 20:12.05 | ronin444 | http://pastebin.com/KTSNUcxx |
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| 20:12.29 | ycr | hello i change the icon theme but now my gnome-shell-extension are without icons i reinstalled the default themes but my problem still do someone know how to fix this problem? |
| 20:13.29 | jhutchins_lt | ycr: squeeze? |
| 20:14.22 | ronin444 | http://pastebin.com/x5r6LXwn |
| 20:14.41 | ronin444 | takahiro, as examples that you can use |
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| 20:17.07 | seanp2k | hey, I'm a bit confused about debian "testing" |
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| 20:17.43 | seanp2k | like, is testing a distro that I can install, or would I need to install stable and change my apt config to track the testing packages and "upgrade" form there? |
| 20:18.06 | tensorpudding | testing is a moving target |
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| 20:18.26 | seanp2k | right, yup, so is it an installable system or kind of just a staging area for packages? |
| 20:18.34 | ycr | testing |
| 20:18.48 | tensorpudding | i thought that there were installable testing snapshots |
| 20:18.53 | ycr | with gnome 3.0.2 |
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| 20:19.12 | seanp2k | basically, I like using very close to bleeding-edge stuff |
| 20:19.19 | seanp2k | but I love debian-based distros |
| 20:19.26 | seanp2k | sid seems like it breaks too much for me |
| 20:19.43 | seanp2k | and while I'm comfortable fixing things, sometimes the solution is to just wait for a fix to be pushed |
| 20:20.04 | xyan | but when testing breaks it stays broken unlike sid which receives fixes quite faster |
| 20:20.13 | seanp2k | I would use Fedora, but I'm not a big fan of RPMs/yum |
| 20:20.16 | xyan | fast* |
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| 20:20.29 | seanp2k | hmm, I see. |
| 20:20.39 | seanp2k | I've been using debian for years and I use ubuntu right now |
| 20:20.55 | xyan | so thats like sid then haha |
| 20:20.59 | seanp2k | yeah |
| 20:21.01 | xyan | im running sid since 2005 |
| 20:21.21 | seanp2k | is sid as stable as fedora? |
| 20:21.21 | xyan | and never had serious troubles |
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| 20:21.21 | xyan | well depends |
| 20:21.21 | xyan | i keep my installation small |
| 20:21.25 | seanp2k | yeah, I do use gnome |
| 20:21.27 | xyan | running fluxbox with slim as login manager |
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| 20:21.57 | seanp2k | this is also for a laptop so power mgmt stuff is hard to mess with sometimes |
| 20:21.58 | kurtbro | ok seem to have irssi undercontrol now |
| 20:22.20 | meLon | Anybody got a place to start troubleshooting pulseaudio on squeeze? |
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| 20:22.35 | seanp2k | meLon: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:22.40 | meLon | Get it to work :P |
| 20:22.51 | meLon | daryl@Odin] ~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure pulseaudio |
| 20:22.51 | meLon | Stopping PulseAudio DaemonNo process in pidfile '/var/run/pulse/pid' found running; none killed. |
| 20:22.54 | meLon | ... pulseaudio is not running. |
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| 20:23.22 | ckt1g3r | meLon , http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 |
| 20:23.24 | mjt | why should it be running? |
| 20:23.55 | meLon | <3 ckt1g3r |
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| 20:24.25 | mjt | what i know about pulseaudio is a) it does not work and b) it is not easy to get rid of it :) |
| 20:24.36 | meLon | Ohh! +lirc :D |
| 20:24.55 | seanp2k | mjt: what do you like then, JACK + ALSA? |
| 20:25.09 | Gerben | pulseaudio works fine for me |
| 20:25.11 | mjt | plain alsa does its work fine |
| 20:25.26 | meLon | Alsa is having trouble with multiple sound sources |
| 20:25.34 | takahiro | thanks ronin444 |
| 20:25.41 | mjt | maybe not in my case, dunno |
| 20:25.55 | mjt | multiple sound sources is the exact reaason why _pulse_ didn't work for me |
| 20:26.11 | seanp2k | ha, I don't even know how to see what I'm running. Pretty sure I'm with ALSA right now |
| 20:26.18 | mjt | i updated/installed something which pulled in pulseaudio, after which sound stopped working |
| 20:26.35 | meLon | ^ you just have to configure it (like I'm having to do) |
| 20:26.40 | seanp2k | I was having some trouble with libao + pianobar capturing the soundcard tho |
| 20:26.45 | mjt | ie, it works from one X session, but does not work from any other session anymore |
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| 20:27.12 | mjt | and volume control is missing to |
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| 20:27.30 | Gerben | is there a process pulseaudio running? |
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| 20:28.05 | mjt | i ended up renaming /usr/bin/pulseaudio to pulseaudio.off to restore things back, since just removing (apt-get remove) pulseaudio wanted to remove whole gnome. |
| 20:28.21 | meLon | lol |
| 20:28.22 | Gerben | gnome is a metapackage, not really important |
| 20:28.27 | seanp2k | hahaha |
| 20:28.32 | mjt | lots of gnome libs |
| 20:28.38 | mjt | i don't have gnome metapackage installed |
| 20:28.45 | seanp2k | yeah, what is the apt equiv of 'rpm -e --nodeps' ? |
| 20:28.53 | seanp2k | I'm assuming something with dpkg |
| 20:29.00 | mjt | --force-depends |
| 20:29.22 | mjt | but from that point on apt will complain and refuse to install anything |
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| 20:29.53 | seanp2k | hmm, so how do you safely yank one package? |
| 20:29.55 | Gerben | mjt, http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/i386/gnome/filelist |
| 20:30.00 | Gerben | what "libs" |
| 20:30.08 | mjt | let's see |
| 20:30.22 | ckt1g3r | lol |
| 20:30.27 | Gerben | Like I said, only some minimal package stuff, only has "dependencies", no functionality in itself == meta package |
| 20:31.07 | mjt | i'm not on squeeze |
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| 20:31.35 | Gerben | comeon |
| 20:31.49 | Gerben | whatever, previous / next divs will have the same contents. |
| 20:31.55 | Gerben | *dists / versions |
| 20:32.02 | xskydevilx | I'm on Mint Debian and the highest Firefox version it is is 5.0. |
| 20:32.17 | ogzy | i am trying to recompile a debian source package by setting DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="--disable-pcre-match-limit-recursion --disable-pcre-match-limit" environment variable, although i run fakeroot debian/rules binary, i still see PCRE value realted compile operations, the default config has pcre enabled options, can i disable them somehow? |
| 20:32.23 | mjt | sigh, now with the libvte fix from unstable it complains about dependencies again. |
| 20:32.50 | mjt | gnome-core depends on pulseaudio |
| 20:33.28 | Gerben | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/i386/gnome-core/filelist == metapackage |
| 20:33.35 | mjt | so apt does not actually want to remove the rest, just suggest: |
| 20:33.40 | mjt | The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: libfolks-telepathy25 gnome-utils-common geoclue libgtkmm-3.0-1 |
| 20:33.43 | mjt | ... |
| 20:33.53 | mjt | and about 100 other packages |
| 20:33.59 | ycr | do someone know if chromium 15 is working now in sid because two weegs ago was not working |
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| 20:45.00 | kingsley | FYI: Debian packages are evidently available for the open source and decentralized search engine named "YaCy". |
| 20:45.24 | kingsley | http://www.yacy-websuche.de/wiki/index.php/En:DebianInstall |
| 20:45.26 | Gerben | mjt, if you remove the package using dpkg, does it also want to remove al these packages? " dpkg --no-act -r pulseaudio" |
| 20:46.21 | mjt | Gerben: it is apt feature, not dpkg. ie, it is not a dependency, it is apt who also records extended status - which packages has been automatically installed to satisfy a dependency |
| 20:46.49 | mjt | dpkg wont let you remove pulseaudio till gnome-core is installed (short of --force-depends) |
| 20:46.49 | dpkg | mjt: that's too long |
| 20:46.52 | mjt | sure |
| 20:47.13 | Gerben | lol |
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| 20:56.19 | protocol | Hello all. |
| 20:56.20 | protocol | :) |
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| 20:57.42 | protocol | Does anyone know why murrine isn't working? |
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| 20:58.58 | DammitJim | what is ~ at the bottom of a text file? |
| 20:59.00 | protocol | I switch to a murrine-based theme and I get the windows 95 look |
| 20:59.05 | protocol | Any idea what's going on? |
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| 20:59.18 | DammitJim | I can't even delete it in vim |
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| 21:00.13 | protocol | DammitJim: That's nothing to worry about, honestly |
| 21:00.15 | Dulak | DammitJim: it means you have listchars set and eof set to show as ~ from the description you gave |
| 21:00.34 | protocol | Anyone have any idea with this murrine engine thing? |
| 21:00.37 | lohengreen | look on my kick on gentoo. lol |
| 21:00.37 | thewanderer1 | virt-manager hangs when connecting to a libvirt instance (qemu+ssh)... anyone else seeing this? |
| 21:00.39 | Dulak | DammitJim: or it is showing you the current dir in the status line |
| 21:00.40 | DammitJim | I'm thinking a mysql import is getting hosed because of that line |
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| 21:01.44 | Dulak | DammitJim: drop out of vim and tail that file, see if the ~ shows up |
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| 21:02.24 | DammitJim | Dulak, no, ^M nor ~ show up |
| 21:02.27 | protocol | Amu takers? |
| 21:02.29 | protocol | any* |
| 21:02.34 | DammitJim | I think this is a mysql problem... though |
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| 21:03.01 | Dulak | DammitJim: yeah vim is set to show you the chars that are normally hidden, like end-of-line and end-of-file |
| 21:03.09 | Dulak | DammitJim: what is the error from mysql? |
| 21:03.50 | mjt | thewanderer1: you may have better luck in #virt on oftc |
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| 21:04.21 | yazdmich | how do i perform a net command line install? |
| 21:04.35 | DammitJim | Dulak, I read no error... the process just hangs |
| 21:04.38 | yazdmich | i have the net install cd booted up |
| 21:04.50 | yazdmich | i need to perform a basic install |
| 21:05.02 | Dulak | DammitJim: nothing in the logs? |
| 21:05.19 | DammitJim | checks the losg |
| 21:05.20 | DammitJim | logs |
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| 21:06.23 | hellekin | yazdmich: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apb.html.en |
| 21:06.35 | I_Died_Once | how do i enable "ctrl + alt + backspace" |
| 21:06.37 | yazdmich | not on an amd |
| 21:06.40 | yazdmich | intel |
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| 21:07.07 | hellekin | yazdmich: edit the URL s/amd64/i386 |
| 21:07.14 | mjt | heh |
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| 21:07.27 | I_Died_Once | %tell dpkg I_Died_Once zap |
| 21:07.30 | yunosh | is aptitude basically dead? or am i missing something? |
| 21:08.18 | I_Died_Once | !tell ctrl + alt + backspace |
| 21:08.31 | I_Died_Once | gah |
| 21:08.59 | hellekin | I_Died_Once: try /query dpkg tell zap |
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| 21:09.02 | Quibus | good night |
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| 21:09.11 | Justin | I_Died_Once: /msg dpkg dontzap |
| 21:09.15 | hellekin | better |
| 21:10.19 | yazdmich | how do i even set up all the parameters? |
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| 21:10.27 | DammitJim | Dulak, nothing in the logs |
| 21:11.04 | Zatcharius | I have a Debian newbie question as to which is preferable to run. |
| 21:11.29 | Zatcharius | Stable with apt-pinning to testing and unstable. OR unstable with apt-pinning to testing and/or stable. |
| 21:11.50 | mjt | stable with stable-backports |
| 21:12.05 | mjt | or testing, if you want to live on an edge |
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| 21:12.06 | yazdmich | do i select expert install? |
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| 21:13.08 | Dulak | DammitJim: not sure what to tell you, are you sure the import is hanging? you could wait for it to hang, open a new term and attach to the process with 'strace -p pid' to see what it is doing |
| 21:13.22 | yazdmich | ? |
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| 21:13.34 | Dulak | yazdmich: are you an expert? |
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| 21:13.51 | Zatcharius | Really? From what I read online was that testing is always incomplete as it is a treated as a redheaded step child and playground of package maintainers before being committed to stable and that Sid was more fully matured for a complete desktop. |
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| 21:13.56 | TheWarden | how could I go about creating a file checksum (e.g. SHA1) for two files and then compare them? I'm creating a backup file archive and it is stored locally and then copied to a remote system. I want to verify the file copied to the remote system was successful and that the files are identical. |
| 21:14.25 | stew | Zatcharius: what? where did you read that? |
| 21:15.00 | Zatcharius | It was repeated a few times on a forum. The advice was to either go Stable or Unstable and ignore Testing expect for individual packages. |
| 21:15.10 | Zatcharius | *except |
| 21:15.14 | stew | Zatcharius: the goal is always to have testing be in a releasable state. unstable is where package maintainers upload packages, which might have had little or no testing and could break things horribly |
| 21:15.41 | Dulak | Zatcharius: not quite that bad but the minimum time for a fix to testing from sid is like 10 days, and often much longer, so sid tends to be unbroken much more often, but many things are completely untested, so it's an adventure. |
| 21:15.51 | stew | unstable is intended for packages/maintainers/bugfixers/etc |
| 21:15.54 | dondelelcaro | Dulak: the minimum time is actually 2 days |
| 21:16.32 | Dulak | when did that change? I thought incubation or whatever was minimum 10 days |
| 21:16.40 | stew | 10 for Priority: minimum, 5 for Priority: medium, 2 for Priority: high, (less for the undocumented Priority: critical) |
| 21:16.54 | dondelelcaro | Dulak: it hasn't changed; the time to testing inclusion depends on the priority |
| 21:17.02 | stew | Dulak: its been that way perhaps as long as testing has existed |
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| 21:17.37 | SerajewelKS | this is out there, but is anyone aware of some USB/serial hardware that plugs into an outlet and provides more outlets, and then can receive commands through the USB connection to toggle power to invididual outlets? with linux support? something like a power strip you can control from linux. |
| 21:17.58 | Zatcharius | stew, Dulak: So the consensus is to run either Stable with backports or Testing with lower-priority Stable apt-pinning? This is assuming I want an up to date desktop while trying to avoid serious breakage. |
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| 21:18.16 | yazdmich | how do i set the parameters outlined in http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apb.html.en? |
| 21:18.35 | mjt | you should use pinning only if you can sort out the breakage which results from that pinning :) |
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| 21:18.48 | jhutchins_lt | Zatcharius: I'd be pretty curious to see a URL that said sid was more mature. |
| 21:18.51 | stew | Zatcharius: you woulnd't use stable if you were running testing. you could have a look at http://cut.debian.net/ |
| 21:19.01 | Zatcharius | stew: I'll try to find it |
| 21:19.06 | Justin | SerajewelKS: google remote power management |
| 21:19.32 | Dulak | Zatcharius: personally I don't like gnome3 so I'm running stable with stable-backports as my desktop until there are more gnome 3 utils to give me back the bits I want in my desktop |
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| 21:19.44 | SerajewelKS | Justin: i'm only finding stuff that's one outlet, or is controlled over ethernet and so is crazy expensive, or... |
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| 21:20.13 | Dulak | SerajewelKS: the older stuff was run off a serial port and should be pretty cheap used |
| 21:20.27 | Dulak | SerajewelKS: the new stuff is ethernet and expensive |
| 21:20.31 | SerajewelKS | Dulak: does it respond quickly? |
| 21:21.05 | Dulak | SerajewelKS: yeah, it's not THAT old, not like it runs 300 baud on the serial port like the 80s or something |
| 21:21.14 | jhutchins_lt | SerajewelKS: There is stuff meant to remote-cycle systems in a server rack, but it's not cheap. |
| 21:21.32 | SerajewelKS | Dulak: like this: http://bit.ly/vJFXhD only $91 seems like an awful lot |
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| 21:21.42 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: yeah i'm looking more to control lights |
| 21:22.07 | jhutchins_lt | SerajewelKS: These are sold to people who think $3,000 for a keyboard that fits in a drawer is reasonable. |
| 21:22.09 | SerajewelKS | i don't need crazy-robust-featureful-slim-awesome |
| 21:22.32 | jhutchins_lt | SerajewelKS: I'd look for do-it-yourself projects, maybe using arduinos. |
| 21:22.34 | SerajewelKS | i just need a bunch of outlets i can control with software |
| 21:22.54 | jhutchins_lt | SerajewelKS: The problem is that electronically switching mains power isn't easy. |
| 21:23.10 | ws2k3 | Dulak are u there? |
| 21:23.17 | SerajewelKS | right but surely it's not $91 worth of difficult |
| 21:23.25 | Dulak | ws2k3: yup |
| 21:23.26 | stew | SerajewelKS: you might look around http://www.linuxha.com/ |
| 21:23.43 | ws2k3 | dulak did u every used bwm-ng on debian? |
| 21:23.48 | ws2k3 | its a tool to messure traffic |
| 21:23.48 | SerajewelKS | stew: oooh, neat. thanks for the pointer. |
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| 21:24.32 | jhutchins_lt | SerajewelKS: They are low-production specialized items. |
| 21:24.55 | Dulak | ws2k3: no, I have cacti installed on my server(s) for graphing traffic, and use ntop if I need more real-time stats |
| 21:24.57 | jhutchins_lt | SerajewelKS: Then again you might find something on the X10 or other home automation sites. |
| 21:25.12 | jhutchins_lt | ... which I see stew already linked. |
| 21:25.12 | ws2k3 | well i have a very strange issue on one of my servers |
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| 21:25.31 | ws2k3 | i use bwm-ng to display current up and down traffic. i have it on a couple of servers and it works fine |
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| 21:25.36 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: The answers aren't going to be any different than they were yesterday. |
| 21:25.58 | ws2k3 | jhtchins why u allway have to interupt me ur dont even know what ur talking about. |
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| 21:26.30 | ws2k3 | Dulak on one of the servers it display 1000 and then it display 0 and then it displays 1000 and then 0. it drops to zero every second |
| 21:26.37 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: You might want to look at different tools for bandwidth monitoring. mrtg might be useful to you. |
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| 21:26.48 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: This is the same thing you asked about yesterday. |
| 21:26.57 | ws2k3 | i write my own tools to rrdtool the traffic. |
| 21:27.00 | ws2k3 | but thats not the issue |
| 21:27.42 | Dulak | ws2k3: take a dump and see if it's really bursting like that |
| 21:27.43 | ws2k3 | i just noticed some strange behavior on that machine... which bwm-ng is one of them so there is something going on there but i dont know what yet. |
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| 21:28.00 | Dulak | that came out wrong |
| 21:28.06 | Dulak | take a tcpdump |
| 21:28.10 | yazdmich | how do i perform a command line install from the netinstall image? |
| 21:28.32 | stew | yazdmich: what exactly do you mean by a "command line install"? |
| 21:28.46 | ws2k3 | yazdmich i think u need to burn it on a CD |
| 21:28.53 | yazdmich | just a command line environment, no GUI |
| 21:29.08 | ws2k3 | the debian installation is command line by deafault. |
| 21:29.17 | stew | yazdmich: are you describing the installer itself or the resulting system? |
| 21:29.22 | yazdmich | result |
| 21:29.38 | ws2k3 | Dulak which kind of dump i should use? |
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| 21:29.45 | ws2k3 | just log all packets to a file or ? |
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| 21:29.55 | stew | yazdmich: toward the end of the install you will be given some checkboxes for a "Desktop system" "Standard system" "Web server". don't check the "Desktop system" checkbox |
| 21:29.59 | ws2k3 | and my mgrt is not showing that kind of behavior. |
| 21:30.13 | ws2k3 | but that tool does only monitor once a minit |
| 21:30.18 | Dulak | ws2k3: yeah log everything for say 5 minutes, then load the dump into wireshark and see if the timestamps are showing that burst behavior or not |
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| 21:30.51 | yazdmich | so just select install from the main menu on the netinstall cd? |
| 21:30.58 | stew | yazdmich: yes |
| 21:31.16 | Dulak | ws2k3: if they don't show it, it's probably just getting some goofy readings from the nic, if it shows that kind of burst behavior you need to troubleshoot further |
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| 21:31.22 | ws2k3 | dulak which tcpdump command i should use for that |
| 21:31.30 | Dulak | ws2k3: man tcpdump |
| 21:31.56 | qwd | I'm trying to switch from Gnome to XFCE on Debian Squeeze on a Powerbook G4 but when I log out I don't see any option to switch session in GDM, there's only button which lets me restart, power off. |
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| 21:32.51 | stew | qwd: does a session meny appear once you provide a username? |
| 21:34.18 | qwd | stew: heh, yeah it does :) thanks! |
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| 21:45.11 | Miesco_ | Is there any vim like pdf viewers better than zathura? |
| 21:45.28 | Miesco_ | zathura doesn't even have ctrl+[ to be Esc |
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| 21:46.55 | Jckf | So, I had a lot of files in /var/run/ircd, and now most of them are gone (bins and configs), but the source files still remain. Where did my stuff go? |
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| 21:49.53 | stew | Jckf: /var/run is typically an in-memory filesystem (so it therefore is empty when you first start up) |
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| 21:50.15 | stew | Jckf: does "mount" list a /var/run or /run mounted? is it mounted as a tmpfs? |
| 21:50.25 | Jckf | It's not empty. My source files are there, but the bins and configs are gone |
| 21:50.32 | Jckf | mount doesn't list var at all |
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| 21:50.56 | Jckf | The directories that had the bins and configs are also still there. Only the files them selves are gone |
| 21:51.12 | stew | Jckf: have you rebooted since putting them there? |
| 21:51.15 | Jckf | Yes |
| 21:51.24 | SerajewelKS | i think one of the initscripts recursively deletes all files in that directory |
| 21:51.31 | stew | Jckf: if you want to keep them between reboots, put them somewhere else. /var/run is intended for files which don't need to survive a reboot |
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| 21:52.18 | nsadmin | and there are other such dirs, like /tmp |
| 21:53.26 | stew | debian should probably not ship a irc user in base-passwd... |
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| 21:54.20 | nsadmin | is the irc user for an irc server? |
| 21:54.25 | simonlnu | stew: not nowadays, no |
| 21:54.35 | simonlnu | yes |
| 21:54.55 | Jimmy_Kash | hey with regards to security, I have logwatch and denyhosts, is there any other good monitoring software for security? |
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| 21:55.19 | stew | Jimmy_Kash: samhain |
| 21:55.22 | nsadmin | so it would probab;uy be better if the irc server pkgs create the user |
| 21:55.43 | ycr | hello i have a problem with the icons in gnome-shell-panel that are not displayed whre supouse to be an icon is just the black space but all the gnome-shell extensions are working just without icons can someone help me with this? |
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| 21:56.30 | Jimmy_Kash | stew: what does that do? thx for the reply btw |
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| 21:56.51 | nsadmin | maybe you should consider fail2ban (which is not a monitor; see the desc) |
| 21:56.56 | stew | Jimmy_Kash: monitors files for changes, when a file changes unexpectedly, it sends you email |
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| 21:58.00 | jhutchins_lt | Jimmy_Kash: There's tripwire, although it's a pain to set up properly. It lets you know if your system gets modified. |
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| 21:58.05 | Jimmy_Kash | stew: sweet thanks |
| 21:58.35 | Jimmy_Kash | jhutchins_lt: does that do what samhain does? |
| 21:58.41 | jhutchins_lt | stew: I thought samhain was the newer version of the satan intrusion test. |
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| 21:58.46 | jhutchins_lt | test suite. |
| 21:59.01 | jhutchins_lt | Jimmy_Kash: Clearly my knowledge of samhain is inadequate. |
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| 21:59.25 | Jimmy_Kash | jhutchins_lt: ah ok ha thx neway |
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| 21:59.38 | stew | samhain intents to be a better alternative to tripwire |
| 21:59.43 | stew | intends* |
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| 21:59.58 | stew | (samhain is what is used on the debian.org machines) |
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| 22:01.08 | Jimmy_Kash | stew: is it a chore to setup/install? |
| 22:01.47 | stew | Jimmy_Kash: no. it can be overly chatty when you are doing something like upgrading packages |
| 22:01.49 | nsadmin | are the debian.org machines running squeezz? |
| 22:01.58 | jhutchins_lt | Jimmy_Kash: Anything worth while is going to take some effort. |
| 22:02.10 | Jimmy_Kash | fair call |
| 22:02.41 | stew | nsadmin: yes |
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| 22:04.33 | v116v | hello |
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| 22:04.40 | v116v | i need help |
| 22:04.48 | v116v | i spanish |
| 22:04.53 | stew | !es |
| 22:04.54 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 22:05.01 | v116v | can help me? sorry for my english |
| 22:05.04 | nsadmin | do you want to speak spanish or english? |
| 22:05.16 | v116v | spanish better |
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| 22:05.40 | nsadmin | ok, try #debian-es |
| 22:05.52 | v116v | debian-es dont rules |
| 22:06.13 | v116v | i disturb? |
| 22:06.19 | stew | v116v: you can ask here in english or in #debian-es in spanish |
| 22:06.25 | nsadmin | no not at all |
| 22:06.46 | nsadmin | you are welcome here. and, here, we speak english |
| 22:06.47 | v116v | ok |
| 22:06.58 | xuser | for a script to run in /etc/init.d when entering multiuser I need entries in /etc/rc2.d/ too right? |
| 22:07.06 | v116v | i need help with resolution of vnc |
| 22:07.13 | v116v | in the server machine |
| 22:08.22 | v116v | can help me? |
| 22:08.26 | nsadmin | xuser, yes, update-rc.d does that |
| 22:09.05 | nsadmin | there may be people here that know vnc; I personally don't |
| 22:09.26 | jhutchins_lt | Jimmy_Kash: If it's a remote server you might want to look at icinga or nagios to notify you of problems. Often the first sign of an atack is a performance problem. |
| 22:09.30 | v116v | nsadmin: ok, thank you too |
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| 22:10.20 | nsadmin | and, I would like to suggest you ask the specific question you have, and describe the problem you have |
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| 22:11.23 | xuser | nsadmin: ah |
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| 22:12.14 | nsadmin | xuser, find out what that program does and how to use it by reading man update-rc.d (also note it only runs as root) |
| 22:12.20 | v116v | how fix the resolution monitor? |
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| 22:12.39 | nsadmin | what;s wrong wtin it? |
| 22:13.01 | xuser | nsadmin: yeah, reading the man page, thanks |
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| 22:13.41 | v116v | i use debian squeeze 64 |
| 22:13.59 | v116v | xorg.conf don't exist |
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| 22:14.11 | nsadmin | that;s normazl |
| 22:14.19 | nsadmin | normal |
| 22:14.28 | v116v | can i fix 1280x1024 in hal? |
| 22:14.33 | nsadmin | AND, you can make one |
| 22:14.56 | v116v | nsadmin: i probe dpkg-reconfigure, but don't work |
| 22:15.26 | v116v | too make gdm3 stop |
| 22:15.30 | v116v | and run it |
| 22:15.42 | v116v | don't work too |
| 22:16.05 | nsadmin | it sounds like you're trying the right things |
| 22:16.49 | nsadmin | I think there is a way to cause the x server to generate an xorg.conf |
| 22:17.17 | v116v | sorry i don't understand |
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| 22:17.38 | nsadmin | so, you notice there is no xorg.conf, yes? |
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| 22:17.48 | v116v | yes |
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| 22:18.18 | v116v | but this is not the problem |
| 22:18.26 | nsadmin | it's because X (the x server) automatically detects everything |
| 22:18.33 | v116v | i need fix one resolution, this is my problem |
| 22:19.03 | v116v | yes, the xserver detects de monitor, but when use de vnc |
| 22:19.15 | v116v | don't detect the monitor |
| 22:19.21 | v116v | and the resolution change |
| 22:19.23 | nsadmin | you can get the X server to make an xorg.conf out of what it detected |
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| 22:19.36 | nsadmin | when you have that xorg.conf, you can then edit it |
| 22:19.59 | v116v | what is detected xorg.conf don't exists too |
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| 22:20.09 | nsadmin | true. |
| 22:20.18 | nsadmin | you can cause the X server to make one |
| 22:20.26 | v116v | i thing in squeeze is managed by hal |
| 22:20.30 | v116v | it is true? |
| 22:20.45 | v116v | i read it in google |
| 22:20.46 | nsadmin | probably, I don't know that detail |
| 22:21.15 | v116v | ok, thank you very much |
| 22:21.29 | v116v | good night |
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| 22:21.43 | nsadmin | and, after you have the xorg.conf you can edit it, |
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| 22:22.02 | v116v | yes, i read it too |
| 22:22.04 | nsadmin | and then the x server will read it |
| 22:22.30 | v116v | but i don't have de xorg.conf i can't create it |
| 22:22.33 | nsadmin | but I forgot how to make X generate the config |
| 22:23.05 | nsadmin | stew, how do you get X to generate a config? |
| 22:23.12 | stew | nsadmin: X -configure |
| 22:23.18 | nsadmin | thanks |
| 22:23.22 | v116v | yes, i probe it |
| 22:23.31 | v116v | X -configure |
| 22:23.41 | nsadmin | v116v, try that.... X -configure |
| 22:23.43 | v116v | and i shut down the gdm3 |
| 22:23.49 | nsadmin | then look in your home dir |
| 22:23.55 | v116v | but don't work |
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| 22:24.20 | v116v | yes, i search in the home dir, but .xorg not exist |
| 22:24.30 | nsadmin | you should see a file like xorg.conf.new |
| 22:24.45 | v116v | i search in /etc/X11/ but don't exist too |
| 22:25.14 | nsadmin | X -configure does not place the file in /etc/X11; you have to do that |
| 22:25.24 | v116v | and i use the kernel 3.1.2 |
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| 22:25.30 | nsadmin | once you find it :) |
| 22:25.38 | v116v | i think it use hal |
| 22:25.45 | v116v | don't use xorg |
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| 22:26.01 | stew | it will use xorg.conf if it exists |
| 22:26.22 | nsadmin | if as you say hal is used, it's in the automatic detection process...] |
| 22:26.53 | nsadmin | as stew says, if you have an xorg.conf in /etc/X11, X will use that |
| 22:27.19 | v116v | don't exist xorg.conf in /etc/X11 |
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| 22:27.34 | TheWarden | Is there a way to run sha1sum and get back just the checksum without the filename? I want to compare the checksum of the local file vs the remote copy of the file to ensure they are identical after copying. |
| 22:27.35 | v116v | sorry for my english |
| 22:27.36 | stew | this is what a circle looks like |
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| 22:27.56 | v116v | TheWarden: summd5? |
| 22:28.04 | v116v | tipe it in console |
| 22:28.06 | stew | TheWarden: sha1sum foo | awk '{print $1}' |
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| 22:28.33 | stew | TheWarden: or | cut -d\ -f1 |
| 22:28.42 | v116v | i have a problem with gpg too |
| 22:28.48 | quotemstr | Why do Debian packages generally create thick wrappers around the originals? |
| 22:28.57 | stew | quotemstr: what do you mean? |
| 22:29.01 | v116v | i don't understand gpg i like sums |
| 22:29.05 | v116v | md5 rules |
| 22:29.10 | quotemstr | I'm moving over from the RHEL world; there, a package foo is essentially "here's the foo binary and a default configuration. Good luck." |
| 22:29.12 | TheWarden | stew: thanks |
| 22:29.31 | stew | quotemstr: is there some specific example? |
| 22:29.32 | quotemstr | Debian provides dpkg-reconfigure, a confd.d directory for everything, and various customizations. |
| 22:29.36 | quotemstr | stew: exim. |
| 22:30.11 | v116v | dpkg-reconfigure server-xorg... don't me rules |
| 22:30.16 | v116v | :-) |
| 22:30.28 | v116v | xD |
| 22:30.34 | v116v | aaarrrrggghhhhh |
| 22:30.54 | quotemstr | My idea of configuring x.org is co -l /etc/X11/xorg.conf && emacs /etc/X11/xorg.conf && ci -u /etc/X11/xorg.conf. |
| 22:30.57 | nsadmin | according to the man page you have to run X -configure as root |
| 22:31.31 | v116v | ok, but quotemstr: your idea generate a xorg.conf file? |
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| 22:31.37 | v116v | i don't have it! |
| 22:32.01 | nsadmin | no, he's saying he stores his xorg in git or svn |
| 22:32.01 | stew | quotemstr: i'm not familiar with exim. but in general, its quite useful to have packages be able to deliver you a working config by having debconf be able to ask you questions about how you want it configured, this also gives us the ability to do more scripted installs |
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| 22:32.37 | nsadmin | debhelper: you're LAGGED |
| 22:32.56 | stew | quotemstr: conf.d directories are often popping up because we want packages to be able to drop config into directies for other packages so that pieces of config can be added/removed cleanly |
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| 22:33.52 | nsadmin | ignore debhelper, it's not working well right now |
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| 22:34.26 | v116v | stew: i probe to remove purge xserver and install it |
| 22:34.46 | stew | v116v: i doubt that's worthwhile |
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| 22:35.24 | cdahmedeh | hello, has anyone been experience any issues with intel graphics recently, i'm getting various application crashes and xorg crashes |
| 22:35.31 | v116v | but the resolution without vnc... in front of the computer and not use de vnc rules to 1280x1024 |
| 22:35.38 | v116v | looks nice |
| 22:35.49 | v116v | good resolution |
| 22:35.54 | v116v | i like it |
| 22:35.59 | v116v | but when use vnc |
| 22:36.08 | v116v | 800x600 is the max admit |
| 22:36.22 | v116v | i use remmina |
| 22:36.26 | streuner__ | cdahmedeh: what kind of chipset do you use and what kind of branch of Debian? |
| 22:37.06 | cdahmedeh | streuner__, Mesa DRI Intel(R) Ironlake Mobile x86/MMX/SSE2, debian testing |
| 22:37.11 | v116v | in remmina don't select the resolution... |
| 22:37.26 | v116v | don't can select |
| 22:37.34 | cdahmedeh | i did debsums just in case, i did a clean install, and did a full memtest+ |
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| 22:40.54 | streuner__ | cdahmedeh: why debsums, did you dowload xorg? |
| 22:41.00 | v116v | when i rule X -configure with gdm3 is stoped says "segmentation fault" |
| 22:41.11 | cdahmedeh | i just wanted to check if i had any corrupted files |
| 22:41.36 | nsadmin | did you run that as root? |
| 22:41.49 | cdahmedeh | i ran it as a regular user |
| 22:42.02 | v116v | when i rule X -configure when dgm3 is start says "server x run" |
| 22:42.12 | nsadmin | oh, for debsums that's fine |
| 22:42.28 | streuner__ | but..., if you are using testing... |
| 22:42.31 | nsadmin | v116v, did you run X -configure as root? |
| 22:42.37 | v116v | of course |
| 22:43.01 | v116v | i press ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 22:43.04 | nsadmin | what I found, is if there is an X server running, you would get errors |
| 22:43.07 | v116v | loggin root |
| 22:43.25 | v116v | ·/etc/init/gdm3 stop |
| 22:43.27 | nsadmin | but, seg fault, that's a different issue] |
| 22:43.41 | v116v | X -configure |
| 22:43.59 | v116v | and says "segmentation fault" |
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| 22:44.22 | cdahmedeh | in addition, i am running compiz |
| 22:44.34 | Advocated | hi there, how would i go about finding a file on via terminal? ive tried find -name file.php and ive tried locate file.php but nothing |
| 22:44.37 | stew | nsadmin: btw you can run "X -configure :1" or :2, etc to probe when :0 is already running |
| 22:44.48 | nsadmin | not sure why it's doing that... could be you don't have enough ram, could be some of your ram is bad |
| 22:45.02 | v116v | stew: i probe it |
| 22:45.17 | nsadmin | stew, yeah, that's what I did when I tried it |
| 22:46.20 | streuner__ | cdahmedeh: so you running nvidia packages? |
| 22:46.41 | cdahmedeh | strayer, no, i am only use the default intel drivers from the debian repos |
| 22:46.57 | cdahmedeh | my gpu is an ironlake intel hd |
| 22:47.00 | v116v | i don't use driver with AMD APU cpu |
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| 22:47.47 | nsadmin | when I run X -configure, it says: Xorg detected your mouse at device /dev/input/mice. Please check your config if the mouse is still not operational, as by default Xorg tries to autodetect the protocol. (paragraph) Your xorg.conf file is /root/xorg.conf.new (paragraph) To test the server, run 'X -config /root/xorg.conf.new' |
| 22:47.53 | rudi_s | Hi. I have a problem with the proprietary nvidia drivers on sid (290.10), my GTX 570 HD gets loud when I start X11 (or run tools like nvidia-smi), the temperature is low (20-30 C), but the fans spin at 70%. Any idea what I can do to reduce the fan speed as long it's not necessary (as the card is still quite cool)? (nvclock doesn't support this card). Thanks. |
| 22:48.14 | streuner__ | cdahmedeh: correct me, if iam wrong, but i think, the free drivers arent able to manage 3D... |
| 22:48.31 | cdahmedeh | there are only free software for intel gpu |
| 22:48.38 | cdahmedeh | free drivers* |
| 22:49.38 | v116v | i probe X -configure :0, :1 and :2 and says "segmentation fault" |
| 22:50.12 | nsadmin | you should probably test your ram |
| 22:50.21 | streuner__ | yeah |
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| 22:51.04 | cdahmedeh | i tested my ram with memtest86| |
| 22:51.36 | v116v | what is the driver for APU gfx? |
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| 22:51.53 | nsadmin | and v116v should also test his ram |
| 22:52.09 | cdahmedeh | maybe another test won't hurt |
| 22:52.25 | cdahmedeh | but my issues seemingly dissapear when i disable compiz |
| 22:52.26 | v116v | the problem with ram in doble channel i resolf it |
| 22:52.30 | v116v | clear CMOS |
| 22:52.35 | v116v | change de modules |
| 22:52.37 | nsadmin | cdahmedeh are you getting segfaults? |
| 22:52.49 | v116v | in the order of solts |
| 22:52.56 | cdahmedeh | yes, at random, and when i look at backtraces, they point to gpu related functionality |
| 22:52.56 | v116v | slot |
| 22:53.05 | cdahmedeh | in the case of xorg, it points to intel_drv.so |
| 22:53.05 | v116v | change the module of slot |
| 22:53.07 | I_Died_Once | ok, trying to get opengl enabled, not sure which driver to use. the official one from ati that the site says is supported by the card does not work |
| 22:53.08 | I_Died_Once | death@w3502:~$ lspci | grep VGA |
| 22:53.08 | I_Died_Once | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200] |
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| 22:53.29 | v116v | and bios detect doble channel memmory and debian detect all the memmory |
| 22:53.39 | Advocated | hi there, how would i go about finding a file on via terminal? ive tried find -name file.php and ive tried locate file.php but nothing |
| 22:53.46 | abrotman | I_Died_Once: you can only use the radeon OSS driver AFAIK .. |
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| 22:54.11 | nsadmin | I_Died_Once, lspci -nn |grep VGA |
| 22:54.36 | I_Died_Once | death@w3502:~$ lspci -nn |grep VGA |
| 22:54.36 | I_Died_Once | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200] [1002:5a61] |
| 22:54.40 | I_Died_Once | nsadmin |
| 22:55.13 | nsadmin | , pciid [1002:5a61] |
| 22:55.14 | judd | [1002:5a61] is 'RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:5a61 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 22:55.49 | EmleyMoor | Advocated: find needs a directory to start from... use find . -name file.php to start from the current directory |
| 22:55.52 | v116v | i read the log of /var/log/xorg.2.log |
| 22:56.26 | v116v | says " chipset supported AMD graphics processor (0x9644) found |
| 22:57.13 | v116v | but says "segmentation fault at address (nil) |
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| 22:57.21 | v116v | Fatal server error |
| 22:57.40 | v116v | signal 11 "segmentation fault" server aborting |
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| 22:58.15 | v116v | any idea? |
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| 22:59.18 | v116v | know driver for AMD APU 3400 ??¿?¿?¿?¿? |
| 22:59.33 | cdahmedeh | nsadmin, streuner__ thanks for your help, i have disabled compiz for now, seems to fix the issue, it's either driver related, or perhaps hardware related... |
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| 23:01.16 | v116v | how remove xorg totaly? |
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| 23:01.39 | streuner__ | keep in mind, if you using non-free drivers for a GPU and testing/unstable, we arent able to help in most cases |
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| 23:02.09 | v116v | i don't install any driver |
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| 23:02.17 | streuner__ | in most these cases, we need to have experices in these cases... |
| 23:02.17 | v116v | i install squezze |
| 23:02.26 | v116v | and install kernel 3.2.1 |
| 23:02.33 | v116v | nothing more |
| 23:02.43 | streuner__ | well, 3.2.1 doesnt sound like squeeze... |
| 23:02.54 | cdahmedeh | yay, more crashes, alright, i think it's a hardware issue |
| 23:03.07 | cdahmedeh | i'm going to use my harddrive on a different pc and see if any of the problems are solved |
| 23:03.10 | v116v | but i don't have more problem... only the resolution in vnc mode |
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| 23:04.01 | cdahmedeh | v116v, are you using remmina? |
| 23:04.17 | v116v | i install this kernel for more support for the AMD APU and usb 3.0 |
| 23:04.24 | v116v | cdahmedeh: yes |
| 23:04.31 | cdahmedeh | what is your issue exactly? |
| 23:04.32 | v116v | with ssh |
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| 23:04.46 | v116v | my resolution in remmina is 800x600 |
| 23:05.00 | cdahmedeh | you can change the resolution with remmina |
| 23:05.06 | v116v | my resolution in "normal mode" is 1280x1024 |
| 23:05.15 | v116v | cdahmedeh: can not |
| 23:05.17 | streuner__ | v116v: How did you install that kernel in stable? :-) |
| 23:05.25 | v116v | don't have this option |
| 23:05.45 | v116v | streuner__: yes i install the kernel in debian 6.0.3 |
| 23:05.46 | cdahmedeh | v116v, you are correct, sorry |
| 23:06.08 | cdahmedeh | will return shortly |
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| 23:07.20 | streuner__ | v116v: but *HOW*? |
| 23:07.36 | v116v | how? |
| 23:07.51 | streuner__ | yes, via backports? |
| 23:07.52 | v116v | i install it 4 times |
| 23:07.58 | v116v | not |
| 23:08.02 | v116v | kernel.org |
| 23:08.11 | streuner__ | raises his eyebrow |
| 23:08.14 | v116v | when rules |
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| 23:08.33 | v116v | i install it |
| 23:08.34 | streuner__ | so, a custom kernel? |
| 23:09.06 | v116v | i probe it with all the drivers on in module mode and don't work |
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| 23:09.33 | v116v | work when install it ( ---- sin make menuconf .... |
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| 23:09.42 | v116v | no se como se dice en ingles |
| 23:09.45 | v116v | sorry |
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| 23:09.57 | v116v | by defect |
| 23:10.10 | v116v | only active 4 or 5 options |
| 23:10.32 | v116v | default |
| 23:10.58 | v116v | almost by default |
| 23:11.08 | v116v | (google translate) :) |
| 23:11.19 | v116v | it rules fine |
| 23:12.01 | v116v | i read the kernel 2.38 works better for one option update it... and i probe the last relase estable |
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| 23:14.02 | meLon | Im having trouble getting jackd to work. How can I determine which processes are using pulseaudio so that I can kill them and know 100% that nothing is using pulseaudio (which could cause conflict) |
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| 23:14.46 | Biodragon2 | just to make sure, amd64 is the debian architecture for intel 64bit right? |
| 23:14.58 | babilen | Biodragon2: yes |
| 23:15.00 | meLon | Yeah, amd had it first, so it was named after them |
| 23:15.03 | babilen | !tell Biodragon2 -about why amd64 |
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| 23:15.21 | meLon | !tell meLon -about why amd64 |
| 23:15.48 | babilen | meLon: "/msg dpkg why amd64" ;) |
| 23:15.54 | Biodragon2 | oh I get why, I use FreeBSD mainly, and it's the same situation there |
| 23:16.10 | meLon | ty babilen |
| 23:16.21 | Biodragon2 | just trying to figure out why I am unable to install Debian 6.0.3 on Citrix Xenserver 6.0 |
| 23:16.55 | Biodragon2 | ok so that rules out wrong architecture |
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| 23:17.46 | pzn | I got some videos from my cellphone that were recorded 90degree rotated. which program can I use in debian to rotate a video 90degres? |
| 23:18.03 | Na_Klar | My debian web-server is now running for 25 days. For ~ 2 weeks I noticed some very scattered temporaly complete black-outs of the server, which goes ~ 1 minute. Means while this black-out the server is not reachable over any port (22,25,80,110 are open). I asked the technical support of the data center where my server is housed, but they couldn't find any error in their networks. But I am... |
| 23:18.05 | Na_Klar | ...sceptical. Is it my server? |
| 23:18.18 | cdahmedeh | streuner__, nsadmin: i think you are correct on this being a hardware issue, i put my hdd into another pc, which has a intel gpu (that is older) and no more crashing, thanks for helping me debug |
| 23:19.48 | nsadmin | sure np :) |
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| 23:20.09 | cdahmedeh | great, now i have to deal with lenovo tech support, again |
| 23:20.10 | cdahmedeh | sigh |
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| 23:21.59 | cdahmedeh | curiously, any suggestions for laptops that run well with debian? |
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| 23:22.59 | Na_Klar | cdehmedeh, I also have a HP 625 with debian on it. Had never a single problem with that .. |
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| 23:23.40 | cdahmedeh | seems like every laptop now has 1366x786 resolution |
| 23:24.05 | streuner__ | cdahmedeh: just google for "Linux and <your special laptop>? |
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| 23:24.38 | meLon | Having some trouble getting jackd to start: http://pastie.org/private/aq5x6dpbveus8enpb3fy8w |
| 23:25.02 | cdahmedeh | i tried, i think it's just specific to my machine |
| 23:25.06 | cdahmedeh | like a faulty part |
| 23:25.12 | streuner__ | cdahmedeh: maybe "/msg dpkg laptops" is helpful too |
| 23:25.43 | cdahmedeh | thanks strayer |
| 23:25.47 | streuner__ | np |
| 23:25.52 | cdahmedeh | streuner__, * |
| 23:26.16 | cdahmedeh | the problem with intel is they tend to abandon their previous gpu generations |
| 23:26.27 | cdahmedeh | like right now they're focusing much of the dev effort on sandy bridge |
| 23:26.54 | cdahmedeh | i would get a laptop with nvidia, but now with optimus, we have new fancy issues |
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| 23:27.48 | yazdmich | is there a known bug that prevents debian from booting on older compaq setups with error codes regarding allocating pages and having to load the kernel first? |
| 23:28.35 | Iridos | Na_Klar, well, check logs for anomalies & uptime. You could have something write to a logfile every 30 seconds for a couple of days... or even run a permanent ping into a logfile (one ping every 30 seconds to some reliable server) |
| 23:28.42 | Biodragon2 | I got a silly question... why does debian have so many DVDs? |
| 23:29.14 | Iridos | Biodragon2, it's so all the programs distributed with it fit onto them |
| 23:30.02 | Na_Klar | iridos, I thought on something like that, too. But I have no idea what I am searching for. Do you think it is possible the whole machine freezes for a minute from time to time? |
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| 23:30.24 | Biodragon2 | It's just that the netboot and the first DVD doesn't have a xen kernel on it ... |
| 23:30.31 | iderik | Is there some program to watch videos with that comes as default on debian? |
| 23:30.36 | abrotman | Biodragon2: you can download them after? |
| 23:31.02 | Biodragon2 | but the install by http, seems to have it |
| 23:31.09 | Biodragon2 | not sure why, so maybe I needed another DVD |
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| 23:31.35 | pizza_biz | unless you're installing on a system completely isolated from the rest of the world, most users don't even need the DVDs. the netinst usually suits most needs and is only a couple hundred MB. |
| 23:31.37 | ycr | my gnome shell panel is not displaying icons just a black square but is working just no icons at all |
| 23:31.40 | Iridos | Na_Klar, yes... with a bad disk, that could happen... the whole machine might wait until it reset and until then, other IO could also be affected |
| 23:31.41 | Na_Klar | iderik, you will have to install some destop environment on your debian, like gnome e.g., there you have anything to watch videos. |
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| 23:31.59 | Iridos | but that would spring out on you in the logs immediately |
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| 23:32.28 | Na_Klar | iridos, which logs should I check for such errors? syslog didn't give me anything |
| 23:32.50 | Iridos | yeah... dmesg and/or /var/log/messages |
| 23:33.06 | Na_Klar | I'll check ... |
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| 23:35.37 | Na_Klar | iridos, I can not find anything suspect in the logs. Would you think it is a good idea to run a cron to check against system freezes? |
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| 23:36.33 | Iridos | dunno... what would you run? |
| 23:37.07 | Na_Klar | hm, just a periodical timestamp write to a file |
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| 23:37.37 | Iridos | that's already done every 20 minutes... well, not a timestamp, just says == MARK == or so |
| 23:37.58 | Na_Klar | where? |
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| 23:38.43 | Iridos | in /var/log/messages? Hm, can't find it on my squeeze box |
| 23:39.07 | Na_Klar | me neither. messages has no ==MARK== for me |
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| 23:39.29 | Iridos | alright... perhaps doesn't happen anymore |
| 23:39.42 | Na_Klar | i got there a dayly message from rsyslogd |
| 23:40.18 | Na_Klar | iridos, just be feeling, would you think it is an issue of my server or an issue of the network? |
| 23:40.21 | hopp3r | hi, I am running flash from the repos, and firefox (again, from the repos). Flash keeps crashing whenever I want to display my video/sound to someone else (ie, tinychat) |
| 23:40.28 | Na_Klar | s/be/by/ |
| 23:42.02 | zykotick9 | hopp3r, if you use Debian, then you don't have firefox from repo. Is it perhaps #ubuntu or mint that you're using? |
| 23:42.30 | Iridos | you could do something like ping -i 30 8.8.8.8 > somefile |
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| 23:42.41 | hopp3r | zykotick9: it is (unfortunately) ubuntu on my mom's computer (but hey, better linux than windblows, no?) |
| 23:42.54 | ompaul | !ubuntu |
| 23:42.54 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 23:42.54 | zykotick9 | hopp3r, /join #ubuntu |
| 23:43.10 | hopp3r | zykotick9: funny thing.. Someone got my host banned there :3 |
| 23:43.12 | Iridos | and there's a package specifically for giving you stuff for performance monitoring in logfiles |
| 23:43.13 | I_Died_Once | can someone tell me what is wrong here? glxgears and glxinfo |
| 23:43.14 | I_Died_Once | http://pastebin.com/ySSAXXMj |
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| 23:43.49 | abrotman | I_Died_Once: didn't i tell you awhile ago you couldn't use the fglrx driver? |
| 23:43.55 | hopp3r | zykotick9: well, I am banned there because I let someone use my boucer, and gave them my user/pass instead of theirs x.x. |
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| 23:44.12 | abrotman | hopp3r: that's not really our problem .. try ##linux .. We do not support Ubuntu here |
| 23:44.39 | I_Died_Once | dmesg | grep fglrx - nothing |
| 23:45.45 | I_Died_Once | abrotman - what driver would you suggest? |
| 23:46.07 | Iridos | Na_Klar, you could have a look at atop... (apt-cache show atop; # homepage at http://www.atoptool.nl/) |
| 23:46.49 | Na_Klar | iridos, I got atop on my machine, but what does apt-cache show atop do? |
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| 23:47.25 | Iridos | just show you the package description |
| 23:47.29 | hoverbear | Hey all, using Wheezy with xfce4-terminal, I can't seem to pass in alt+number over ssh to change buffers in weechat, even though this behaivor works fine on other distros |
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| 23:47.59 | Na_Klar | iridios, okay. How can atop help me? I cannot see atop when the machine is not available, since I am not in the data center, of course :P |
| 23:49.05 | Iridos | atopsar? |
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| 23:49.40 | Na_Klar | ah .. look at that :P |
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| 23:50.27 | Iridos | -A might be a bit over the top, though |
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| 23:53.27 | Iridos | could probably just run it in screen for some time if its buffer is big enough |
| 23:53.51 | Na_Klar | iridos, atopsar gave me a log for today every 10 minutes. Nice to know btw. According to that log, there wasn't anything wrong the whole day. .. Either it is a problem of the network, or the error just happend between the logs .. |
| 23:54.51 | I_Died_Once | http://pastebin.com/Xgv1ms5C |
| 23:55.38 | abrotman | I_Died_Once: you're still screwing around with fglrx? i thought i said that wouldn't work |
| 23:56.12 | I_Died_Once | abrotman, how do you suggest i go about it then? |
| 23:56.24 | I_Died_Once | dude in #radeon said i have the wrong glx stuff installed |
| 23:56.25 | abrotman | stop usin fglrx |
| 23:56.42 | I_Died_Once | i'm not. i would if i cold, but i'm not |
| 23:56.47 | I_Died_Once | *could |
| 23:56.54 | I_Died_Once | crap wont compile |
| 23:56.54 | abrotman | okay ... do whatever they say ... not participating anymore |
| 23:57.07 | I_Died_Once | i asked and you never responded |
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| 23:57.39 | abrotman | i've told you multiple times not to use fglrx .. you're still doing it .. enjoy! |
| 23:58.14 | I_Died_Once | the radeon driver is installed and loaded |
| 23:58.22 | I_Died_Once | the real problem is this |
| 23:58.23 | I_Died_Once | http://pastebin.com/ySSAXXMj |
| 23:58.31 | I_Died_Once | getting anything glx to work |
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| 23:59.38 | I_Died_Once | i only tried the ati one as thats what their site says to do |
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| 23:59.49 | abrotman | lies |
