| 00:00.04 | DanTheBeastMan | hey everyone, how goes it? |
| 00:00.08 | I_Died_Once | well i'm trying |
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| 00:00.40 | I_Died_Once | apt-get reinstall mesa-libGL mesa-dri-drivers or something along those line |
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| 00:01.32 | I_Died_Once | of course those arent the actual packages |
| 00:01.37 | Na_Klar | am I right that cronjobs will only be executed if the user which setup the job is logged on? |
| 00:02.13 | stew | does someone remember what command I can use while X is running in order to change keyboard options? such as "swapcaps"? |
| 00:03.42 | stew | stew: try "setxkbmap -option ctrl:swapcaps" |
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| 00:03.46 | CadetX | does ubuntu 10.10 ship the latest flash (i have 64bit system so i need 64bit flash too) or i should get it from adobe site? |
| 00:03.47 | stew | stew: thanks |
| 00:03.56 | stew | CadetX: ask #ubuntu |
| 00:03.57 | abrotman | dpkg: thank stew |
| 00:03.58 | dpkg | abrotman: no problem |
| 00:04.02 | abrotman | almost .. |
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| 00:04.13 | CadetX | stew, does debian ship it? ubuntu has same packages |
| 00:04.25 | hopp3r | I am thinking of switching to debian, but I hear it has *terrible* wireless support, is that true? |
| 00:04.29 | abrotman | CadetX: no, they don't .. ask #ubuntu |
| 00:04.32 | hopp3r | desktop wise, that is |
| 00:04.37 | stew | CadetX: no, it would be illegal for debian to redistribute flash |
| 00:04.38 | abrotman | hopp3r: works fine here .. |
| 00:04.50 | hopp3r | abrotman: meaning hard to set up |
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| 00:05.19 | abrotman | hopp3r: which wifi card? |
| 00:05.39 | hopp3r | abrotman: I am using ubuntu now, an "improved" version of debian (if improved ~=~ ruined) |
| 00:05.47 | CadetX | stew, why? |
| 00:05.56 | hopp3r | abrotman: I have a linksys something or other dual frquency card |
| 00:06.04 | xuser | hopp3r: probably because in debian you to install wifi firmware manually |
| 00:06.09 | xuser | +have |
| 00:06.14 | stew | CadetX: because when you download flash from adobe, the software license specifically prohibits redistribution, and debian has not been granted any exception to that license |
| 00:06.45 | abrotman | hopp3r: the chipset is the important part |
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| 00:06.52 | hopp3r | abrotman: lemme check model |
| 00:06.55 | abrotman | Timewarper: do you need help with Debian or not? |
| 00:07.07 | I_Died_Once | to get adobe flash working on my amd64 debian, i had to use an old version i had lying around on another hard drive as the current one has dropped support for linux 64 bit |
| 00:07.08 | DanTheBeastMan | hopp3r: I'm using Debian on my laptop right now. Wireless is working great |
| 00:07.09 | Timewarper | abrotman, cya |
| 00:07.12 | mhall119 | ubuntu doesnt distribute flash, just a downloader for it, iirc |
| 00:07.37 | DanTheBeastMan | Of course I'm using contrib drivers, but.. it works |
| 00:07.37 | hopp3r | :3 |
| 00:08.10 | I_Died_Once | wireless drivers depend on the chipset and card - might work out of the box,, might have to install stuff |
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| 00:08.55 | hopp3r | abrotman: can I check the wireless card model without taking apart my comp? |
| 00:09.16 | abrotman | hopp3r: sure .. are you in windows or linux ? is it usb or pci ? |
| 00:09.42 | DanTheBeastMan | hopp3r: try a Crunchbang livecd if you're scared, your wireless should work out of the box |
| 00:09.54 | hopp3r | abrotman: heh, you think I would use windblows and know what "a debian" is? Its a PCI connection on ubuntu 11.10 |
| 00:10.01 | I_Died_Once | hopp3r - lspci -v |
| 00:10.09 | hopp3r | DanTheBeastMan: do you have a link for this livecd? |
| 00:10.11 | abrotman | hopp3r: lspci -nn |
| 00:10.26 | hopp3r | I_Died_Once: abrotman: thanks |
| 00:10.27 | DanTheBeastMan | crunchbanglinux.org |
| 00:10.33 | abrotman | -nn is way better than -v |
| 00:10.41 | I_Died_Once | knopper.net - knoppix is great for stuff like that too |
| 00:10.41 | abrotman | DanTheBeastMan: why would he use crunchbang instead of Debian ? |
| 00:10.52 | DanTheBeastMan | abrotman: crunchbang /is/ debian |
| 00:10.54 | abrotman | okay .. this is #debian .. not #suggestotherdistroscausewerelazy |
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| 00:11.07 | abrotman | DanTheBeastMan: no, it's NOT .. it would be called Debian if it were Debian |
| 00:11.21 | hopp3r | DanTheBeastMan: and its debian? |
| 00:11.23 | I_Died_Once | *IS* there a debian live cd? |
| 00:11.28 | abrotman | hopp3r: it is not Debian |
| 00:11.34 | abrotman | I_Died_Once: yes |
| 00:11.45 | hopp3r | abrotman: oh, and also, it doesnt show up there, but its not a USB connection |
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| 00:11.56 | DanTheBeastMan | Hey I was just suggesting hey try the live cd since it contains almost all of the wireless drivers, that we he can check to see if it's supported |
| 00:11.56 | abrotman | hopp3r: it's either usb or pci .. |
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| 00:12.03 | DanTheBeastMan | *he |
| 00:12.07 | I_Died_Once | i didnt know debian was also a love distro |
| 00:12.10 | hopp3r | abrotman: its PCI, but its not on the list |
| 00:12.10 | I_Died_Once | **live |
| 00:12.23 | abrotman | hopp3r: can you pastebin all of 'lspci -nn' in paste.debian.net ? |
| 00:12.31 | Na_Klar | abrotman, hopp3r, would lspci list the wifi if it is onboard? |
| 00:12.46 | abrotman | Na_Klar: if it's PCI .. yes |
| 00:12.48 | abrotman | much like |
| 00:12.50 | Na_Klar | ok |
| 00:13.10 | abrotman | $ lspci -nn | grep WiFi |
| 00:13.10 | abrotman | 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300 [8086:4236] |
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| 00:14.09 | hopp3r | http://paste.debian.net/147521/ |
| 00:14.13 | hopp3r | abrotman: ^ |
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| 00:14.22 | zykotick9 | abrotman, just want to poin out WiFi might not always work "05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)" |
| 00:14.52 | abrotman | zykotick9: didn't say it would always work .. that worked for my card |
| 00:14.59 | I_Died_Once | abrotman, or anyone - i am using the radeon driver right now - http://pastebin.com/aynNatP6 - the flgrx one wouldnt even compile... giving it up.... just need to get glx going |
| 00:15.15 | DanTheBeastMan | *coughs* hence why I was suggesting the Crunchbang livecd to see if it would work easily |
| 00:15.16 | hopp3r | I will brb like 10 mins |
| 00:15.23 | hopp3r | one sec |
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| 00:15.36 | abrotman | hopp3r: your wifi is there ... |
| 00:15.45 | abrotman | hopp3r: 01:01.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5212/AR5213 Multiprotocol MAC/baseband processor [168c:0013] (rev 01) |
| 00:15.55 | I_Died_Once | its says some stuff about not detecting the monitor but its working fine |
| 00:16.07 | abrotman | !tell hopp3r about ar5212 |
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| 00:21.18 | lotus-blade | ok I need to install the kernel sources, but they do not match my kernel |
| 00:21.46 | lotus-blade | sorry kernel headers |
| 00:21.53 | abrotman | lotus-blade: what is 'uname -r'? |
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| 00:22.23 | lotus-blade | 3.0.0-1-amd64 |
| 00:22.33 | abrotman | well .. it's out of date whichever version of Debian you're on |
| 00:22.39 | abrotman | lotus-blade: aptitude install linux-image-amd64 |
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| 00:23.32 | hopp3r | abrotman: anyway, what is the problem, why does my adapter not show up here? |
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| 00:24.32 | hopp3r | abrotman: and how do I download this said driver without internet? |
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| 00:30.33 | lotus-blade | thank you abrotman. I did not know it was out of date and update did not pick it up |
| 00:31.59 | lotus-blade | now the next stupid question is there any easy way to install ati hd 5450 on wheezy? |
| 00:32.54 | pumafyre | lotus-blade: there are no stupid questions. |
| 00:33.01 | pumafyre | only stupid computers |
| 00:33.13 | lotus-blade | lol |
| 00:33.35 | abrotman | hopp3r: ti does show up |
| 00:33.44 | abrotman | hopp3r: i pasted the line with it |
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| 00:34.16 | lotus-blade | I got my old amd cards to work, but they were old cards, these are giving me hell |
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| 00:44.14 | yazdmich | hello |
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| 00:45.10 | yazdmich | i just performed an install of debian from the netinstall cd, and it has failed to boot now that it is finished |
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| 00:45.46 | yazdmich | it says error: cannot allocate real mode pages |
| 00:45.58 | yazdmich | loading initial ramdisk |
| 00:46.19 | yazdmich | error: you need to load the kernel first |
| 00:46.23 | thewanderer1 | yazdmich, look in your BIOS, find something that looks like "memory hole" or "shadow memory" and try changing it |
| 00:46.46 | yazdmich | failed to boot both default and fallback entries |
| 00:46.48 | yazdmich | ok |
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| 00:50.44 | nsadmin | any spanish speakers interested in professional audio willing to evaluate a tutorial of ardour, a professional-grade recording program that uses jack? |
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| 00:52.25 | nsadmin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Toc-eOB1SfU <-- the tutorial |
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| 00:53.43 | yazdmich | anyone know what key i would press to enter BIOS setup on a compaq? |
| 00:53.51 | abrotman | yazdmich: how old ? |
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| 00:55.02 | nsadmin | and, the person who is on irc now in #ardour is las2 |
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| 00:55.51 | abrotman | yazdmich: ? |
| 00:56.33 | yazdmich | 15 years |
| 00:56.34 | yazdmich | ok |
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| 00:56.39 | yazdmich | im in the bios |
| 00:56.44 | nsadmin | err, las2 is the one who would like to hear your thoughts on the tutorial |
| 00:57.21 | abrotman | yazdmich: you lucked out it wasn't one you needed a floppy for |
| 00:57.41 | yazdmich | would alternative memory reporting be equivalent to shadow memory? |
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| 00:58.57 | yazdmich | ? |
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| 00:59.49 | yazdmich | thewanderer1: |
| 00:59.52 | yazdmich | would alternative memory reporting be equivalent to shadow memory? |
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| 01:00.11 | abrotman | you're just going to ask everyone except google? |
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| 01:00.22 | abrotman | wtf is "alternative" memory? |
| 01:00.37 | yazdmich | its an old compaq machine |
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| 01:01.10 | yazdmich | im guessing its not an alternative set of ram, its an alternative way of reporting memory |
| 01:01.43 | yazdmich | and i am looking on google |
| 01:01.48 | yazdmich | but no answers |
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| 01:03.05 | thewanderer1 | yazdmich, it might be shadow memory, yes |
| 01:03.18 | yazdmich | ahould i try it? |
| 01:03.22 | yazdmich | should* |
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| 01:04.18 | sigmonsay | is there a way to uninstall all packages in a given section? |
| 01:04.21 | abrotman | yazdmich: it it seriously a PII machine ? |
| 01:04.25 | abrotman | sigmonsay: which section ? |
| 01:04.34 | yazdmich | pentium MMX |
| 01:04.37 | sigmonsay | abaddon, "unknown" -- I am going to make up my own if possible |
| 01:04.50 | abrotman | yazdmich: that's more than 15 |
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| 01:05.23 | yazdmich | my dad syas it was bought around the time i was born, and im turning 15 on sunday |
| 01:05.27 | yazdmich | says* |
| 01:06.03 | abrotman | sigmonsay: i meant .. what do you mean by 'section' ? |
| 01:06.22 | sigmonsay | abaddon, The "Section:" header from debian/control when you do a apt-cache show <pkg> |
| 01:06.30 | sigmonsay | abrotman, * -- sorry abaddon =/ |
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| 01:09.03 | sigmonsay | wow, looks like aptitude has tags, but I am not sure how to specify tags in debian/control |
| 01:09.18 | abrotman | sigmonsay: aptitude remove '~s<yoursection' .. done |
| 01:09.35 | sigmonsay | ooo, even bettah =P |
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| 01:10.45 | sigmonsay | abrotman, bad ass. Thank you |
| 01:11.31 | abrotman | sigmonsay: FYI .. google "aptitude manual" look at the search term reference |
| 01:11.43 | stew | abrotman: is that < after s errant? |
| 01:11.57 | abrotman | oh .. i mean tto have a closing > :) |
| 01:12.20 | abrotman | sigmonsay: so it would be like `aptitude remove '~sshells'` for example |
| 01:12.25 | sigmonsay | rgr that |
| 01:12.35 | abrotman | stew: new sox manager! |
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| 01:12.54 | stew | abrotman: Maintainer: Pascal Giard |
| 01:13.12 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:13.14 | stew | i'll ask rcox for the details |
| 01:13.28 | stew | actually it seems she doesn't have them |
| 01:13.53 | stew | though it seems she was able to guess |
| 01:16.05 | yazdmich | enabled alternative memory reporting, still same problems |
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| 01:16.38 | abrotman | yazdmich: what's the real issue ? |
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| 01:17.19 | yazdmich | ? |
| 01:17.55 | yazdmich | what do you mean? |
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| 01:19.01 | seeker7 | still having trouble getting java runtime environment to operate correctly. i have done all the sun site says to do the self extractor is for linux that should work for debian also should not it |
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| 01:20.23 | stew | seeker7: why not use the openjdk in debian? |
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| 01:21.00 | cesurasean | debian squeeze or lenny won't boot from cd on a dell poweredge 4600. windows boots fine. :( |
| 01:21.11 | cesurasean | downloading and going to try fedora. must be some kind of hardware issue... |
| 01:21.16 | seeker7 | stew: ok i will try that |
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| 01:21.23 | cesurasean | anyone know how to get squeeze on this machine? |
| 01:21.29 | stew | seeker7: are you doing development or do you just need a runtime? |
| 01:21.30 | nevyn | cesurasean: debootstrap? |
| 01:21.49 | cesurasean | so install 1 OS, then use debootstrap? |
| 01:21.54 | seeker7 | stew:: i just need a runtime for now |
| 01:21.58 | stew | seeker7: aptitude install openjdk-6-jre |
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| 01:26.19 | mspc | im having trouble setting the bg and text colors for my x terminals. i've supplied the appropriate values to ~/.Xresources, changed the appropriate values in /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm-color, set terminal = "xterm" in my wm's config file, chosen xterm using update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator....im totally at a loss |
| 01:27.16 | seeker7 | stew: could not find any packages openjdk-6-jre |
| 01:27.44 | seeker7 | stew: oops wait a minute |
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| 01:29.46 | seeker7 | stew: openjdk-6-jre set to manually installed |
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| 01:31.39 | stew | if its already installed, you might just need to use "update-java-alternatives" to set it as the default. |
| 01:32.29 | stew | seeker7: something like "update-java-alternatives --set java-1.6.0-openjdk-amd64". "update-java-alternatives --list" should list something similar |
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| 01:37.53 | Luminary | how would i go about safely installing debian wheezy |
| 01:38.07 | Luminary | I just installed squeeze on my computer and set the repos to wheezy |
| 01:38.10 | Luminary | broke everything |
| 01:38.11 | seeker7 | stew: the list gives the following java-6-openjdk 1061 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk |
| 01:38.11 | seeker7 | java-gcj 1042 /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj |
| 01:38.24 | stew | seeker7: update-java-alternatives --set java-6-openjdk |
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| 01:38.53 | stew | Luminary: what makes you think everything is broken? |
| 01:39.00 | tharkun | Luminary: take a look at the lenny->squeeze factoid and extrapolate from squeeze->wheezy |
| 01:39.22 | Luminary | stew; the fact theres a load of warnings on startup, and gnome won't start |
| 01:39.23 | seeker7 | stew: then it gives me a lot of no alternative command line items |
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| 01:39.28 | Luminary | tharkun; alright |
| 01:39.43 | Luminary | not normally a debian desktop user, I've used it plenty for servers, but I stick to arch for desktops usually |
| 01:39.44 | Luminary | >.> |
| 01:39.52 | stew | Luminary: what are the warnings? |
| 01:40.02 | stew | Luminary: see if gnome works for a new user |
| 01:40.26 | stew | seeker7: that's fine. you don't have the full jdk installed so you'd expect some things to be missing |
| 01:40.36 | stew | seeker7: but now "java -version" should show the openjdk version |
| 01:41.07 | tharkun | stew: updating version without a dist-upgrade usually leaves you in between releases making life a pain |
| 01:41.17 | Luminary | stew; failed to load session "gnome" |
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| 01:41.34 | Luminary | it's okay I can reinstall to fix this, since there isnt't anything on this machine yet |
| 01:41.49 | Luminary | just was wondering the safe way to update to wheezy |
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| 01:42.28 | cesurasean | i only have a linux workstation machine with a diskette drive. how do i go about loading this exe file onto a diskette A: using debian? is it possible? |
| 01:42.29 | stew | Luminary: chapter 4 of the release notes is the safe way. at any given time there might not be a completely safe way, since testing is obviously usually buggy |
| 01:42.43 | seeker7 | stew: i will need to work on this more another day. my crossword on www.bestcrosswords.com is still requiring a java plugin and it is not listed on the add-on thanks for the help |
| 01:43.11 | stew | Luminary: buhman as tharkun said you'll have to extrapolate the lenny->squeeze upgrade to work for squeeze->wheezy |
| 01:43.18 | Luminary | looking it up now |
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| 01:45.12 | Luminary | hm, should I have used apt-get dist-upgrade instead of just upgrade |
| 01:46.26 | stew | Luminary: generally its upgrade apt-get/aptitude, then apt-get upgrade, then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:46.57 | Luminary | well, I changed the repos then apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade |
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| 01:47.03 | stew | Luminary: for squeeze there was additional needed steps like upgrading kernel/udev and rebooting, i don't believe that is currently required for wheezy, but it is something you'll be testing |
| 01:47.22 | stew | Luminary: then you would have been only partially upgraded, since upgrading will require removing a lot of packages |
| 01:47.44 | stew | well maybe not a lot, but you'll have to remove some, especially if something like gnome was installed |
| 01:47.52 | Luminary | well, I'll see if dist-upgrade fixes anything |
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| 01:49.52 | tharkun | Luminary: if everything else fails reinstall a minimal system and upgrade from there, then install all the graphical stuff. It has worked for me in the past |
| 01:50.26 | Luminary | sounds good |
| 01:50.36 | stew | our you could test the testing installre |
| 01:50.38 | stew | installer* |
| 01:50.56 | abrotman | that's been a bit rough in the last few days |
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| 01:58.01 | Luminary | apt-get dist-upgrade fixed it I think |
| 01:58.02 | Luminary | :] |
| 01:58.54 | Luminary | got a few warning about firmware for kernel modules I might need |
| 01:59.39 | mordocai | Where does Gnome 3 store logs? I did a dist-upgrade recently on debian testing and upgraded to gnome 3, but it won't start properly. Get an error message that just says something went wrong. Didn't find anything that I could identify in the .xsession-errors file. |
| 01:59.53 | mordocai | Using fallback for now, it works fine |
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| 02:04.33 | yazdmich | so |
| 02:06.44 | hamlin | meh, ill keep to "Gnome Classic" |
| 02:06.58 | hamlin | over gnome 3 standard that is |
| 02:08.40 | mosno | gnome 3 is mostly awesome, it just needs a classic taskbar imho |
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| 02:09.08 | mosno | the whole "move mouse to top left, then down to the correct window preview" gets old real quick |
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| 02:09.49 | abrotman | mosno: hit the windows key if you have one |
| 02:10.09 | mosno | abrotman, i'm well aware of that. but often i just want to use the mouse and not the keyboard |
| 02:10.19 | abrotman | mosno: add more keybindings ? |
| 02:10.31 | mosno | abrotman, i considered mapping middle click... |
| 02:10.55 | mosno | abrotman, but for my workflow i often don't want to touch the keyboard to switch windows |
| 02:11.08 | abrotman | you'd rather touch the mouse ? |
| 02:11.08 | mosno | (my hands aren't on the keyboard home keys) |
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| 02:11.15 | mosno | abrotman, depends what i'm doing. |
| 02:11.17 | yazdmich | looks like my compaq isnt listed anymore |
| 02:11.28 | mosno | abrotman, i love gnome3's keyboard nav |
| 02:11.32 | abrotman | yazdmich: i asked you before what the real problem was |
| 02:11.34 | mosno | abrotman, but the mouse nav is lacking |
| 02:11.42 | mosno | abrotman, i want the option of both |
| 02:12.11 | abrotman | mosno: dunno .. i use both .. but normally keyboard |
| 02:12.36 | mosno | abrotman, i played with xfce 4.8 and kde 4.6 (sid) and all i want to do is run back to gnome :D |
| 02:12.48 | mosno | so i'll probably use docky or some 3rd party thingy |
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| 02:13.44 | mosno | as a side note, it seems strange to me that we get everything but the kitchen sink when installing the kde task, but gtk+ remains unthemed... |
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| 02:15.42 | yazdmich | abrotman: i dont know what you are talking about |
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| 02:15.53 | yazdmich | what do you mean by real problem? |
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| 02:16.52 | abrotman | yazdmich: why are you futzing with "alternative" memory ? |
| 02:17.20 | yazdmich | facepalms |
| 02:17.27 | yazdmich | scroll up |
| 02:18.06 | abrotman | i'm not reading all that backscroll .. if you can't summarize for me .. oh well |
| 02:19.28 | yazdmich | thewanderer1: yazdmich, look in your BIOS, find something that looks like "memory hole" or "shadow memory" and try changing it |
| 02:19.36 | abrotman | to do what?! |
| 02:19.39 | abrotman | to get what to work? |
| 02:19.51 | yazdmich | yazdmich: thewanderer1: |
| 02:19.51 | yazdmich | [7:59pm] yazdmich: would alternative memory reporting be equivalent to shadow memory? |
| 02:20.09 | yazdmich | thewanderer1: yazdmich, it might be shadow memory, yes |
| 02:20.17 | abrotman | not helpful .. |
| 02:21.17 | stew | yazdmich: what kernel is it trying to boot? |
| 02:21.28 | stew | yazdmich: is it a 486 kernel and not a 686 kernel? |
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| 02:22.02 | yazdmich | yes |
| 02:22.28 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, let me fetch a line for you: "error: cannot allocate real mode pages" is what yazdmich said at the beginning :P |
| 02:22.53 | abrotman | while doing what? making eggs? soldering capacitors? playing baseball? |
| 02:23.06 | yazdmich | DURING BOOT |
| 02:23.09 | abrotman | OF WHAT? |
| 02:23.14 | yazdmich | DEBIAN |
| 02:23.15 | abrotman | installer? installed system? |
| 02:23.26 | abrotman | you're not helping anyone trying to help you |
| 02:23.30 | yazdmich | installed system |
| 02:23.52 | abrotman | how much RAM does the system have? is this squeeze? |
| 02:24.12 | yazdmich | 160, yes |
| 02:24.22 | yazdmich | at least i think |
| 02:24.28 | abrotman | you think which part? |
| 02:24.40 | yazdmich | squeeze |
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| 02:27.05 | thewanderer1 | I suggested that it might be a memory hole preventing something (GRUB?) from getting allocating memory for the kernel |
| 02:27.29 | abrotman | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=65727 |
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| 02:28.33 | abrotman | not really sure who ide-generic and that error are related .. but oh well |
| 02:28.38 | thewanderer1 | oh wow, so many regressions in GRUB2 :P |
| 02:28.39 | abrotman | yazdmich: see if that URL helps |
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| 02:28.55 | yazdmich | dns error |
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| 02:29.04 | yazdmich | im using dnsadvantage |
| 02:29.09 | abrotman | thewanderer1: to be fair .. not everyone has a 15y/o laptop sitting around to test on .. and compaq did some seriously evil stuff with their laptops |
| 02:29.22 | yazdmich | not laptop, desktop |
| 02:29.49 | abrotman | doesn't matter .. some of taht ugliness got into desktops for |
| 02:29.58 | thewanderer1 | yazdmich, apparently, you're at a disadvantage with this "dnsadvantage" :P |
| 02:30.15 | yazdmich | lol |
| 02:30.55 | abrotman | but the laptops were worse .. |
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| 02:35.22 | abrotman | yazdmich: any luck? |
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| 02:35.38 | yazdmich | no DNS results for forums.debian.net |
| 02:35.45 | raghassi | Hello, I'm trying to do a netinstall to an ESXi VM |
| 02:35.52 | raghassi | and guided partitioning is failing because it says the disk is too small |
| 02:35.52 | abrotman | uh .. well, that's a problem with your system or ISP |
| 02:35.58 | raghassi | It's a 500MB virtual disk |
| 02:36.03 | raghassi | which should be plenty for a net install |
| 02:36.07 | raghassi | anyone know what the issue could be? |
| 02:36.09 | abrotman | raghassi: you probably want 1GB ? |
| 02:36.32 | raghassi | a base netinstall before packages is only ~250MB, isn't it? |
| 02:36.46 | abrotman | last i did a minimal it was over 500MB pretty sure |
| 02:37.04 | raghassi | hrm |
| 02:37.11 | raghassi | ok, guess I need a different distro then |
| 02:37.12 | raghassi | thanks |
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| 02:37.45 | abrotman | uhm .. okay |
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| 02:38.38 | yazdmich | nope |
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| 02:40.33 | thewanderer1 | yazdmich, use 8.8.8.8 as your DNS server or maybe hardcode "82.94.249.158 forums.debian.net" into your hosts file? |
| 02:40.44 | yazdmich | ok |
| 02:40.50 | yazdmich | i loaded the site |
| 02:41.15 | yazdmich | and the forum post has practically no relation to my problem |
| 02:41.36 | abrotman | glad you found the solution |
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| 02:41.41 | thewanderer1 | yazdmich, well, you are using GRUB2, right? tried GRUB legacy? :P |
| 02:41.55 | yazdmich | grub-legacy? |
| 02:42.06 | yazdmich | 1.98 |
| 02:42.14 | yazdmich | that is the version number |
| 02:42.16 | abrotman | that's grub2 |
| 02:42.32 | yazdmich | how do i get grub-legacy? |
| 02:42.32 | hamlin | Have to run grub2 in console mode, or its all, Input not supported from my monitor |
| 02:42.35 | hamlin | lol |
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| 02:43.04 | wart___ | is it my incompetency at debian or is there no flash plugin avaiable for the arm? |
| 02:43.13 | abrotman | wart___: maybe gnash ? |
| 02:43.18 | abrotman | wart___: which version of Debian ? |
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| 02:43.33 | dondelelcaro | wart___: gnash is available for arm/armel |
| 02:43.37 | wart___ | 6.0 |
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| 02:43.41 | abrotman | and armel ? |
| 02:43.43 | wart___ | according to /etc/issue |
| 02:43.46 | wart___ | its armel, yeah |
| 02:43.50 | abrotman | yeah .. you have gnash |
| 02:43.57 | abrotman | and probably swf-dec too |
| 02:44.02 | wart___ | ok but last time i used gnash it stank :-) |
| 02:44.17 | abrotman | well, there's no Adobe Flash if that's what you mean |
| 02:44.34 | wart___ | what's it called? I tried apt-cache search flash and no adobe |
| 02:44.43 | abrotman | right .. i just said that |
| 02:44.46 | wart___ | i also tried apt-get install libflash-nonfree and it said it can't find it |
| 02:44.51 | dondelelcaro | wart___: flashplugin-nonfree |
| 02:44.55 | wart___ | oh, right i misread you |
| 02:44.59 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: on armel ? |
| 02:45.00 | wart___ | s/libflash/flashplugin/ |
| 02:45.02 | thewanderer1 | yazdmich, chroot into your defunct Debian install and use apt-get as usual... the "rescue mode" might help |
| 02:45.08 | dondelelcaro | wart___: but adobe doesn't build one for armel, so we don't distribute it. |
| 02:45.19 | abrotman | wart___: so you get gnash or swfdec AFAIK |
| 02:45.24 | yazdmich | rescue mode on the cd? |
| 02:45.27 | wart___ | abrotman: i misread what you said. makes sense i just checked their site too. |
| 02:45.35 | wart___ | never heard of swfdec |
| 02:45.48 | wart___ | if adobe doesn't compie an arm then what do all these arm tablets running android end up using? |
| 02:46.19 | abrotman | wart___: they don't release that for general consumption |
| 02:46.27 | wart___ | man |
| 02:46.49 | Some_Person | Actually, I wonder what would happen if you tried to use the Android version of flash |
| 02:47.00 | abrotman | Some_Person: do you know where to download it? |
| 02:47.08 | Some_Person | I can extract it from my phone |
| 02:47.17 | wart___ | well its presumably on my android squashfs |
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| 02:47.38 | yazdmich | ok |
| 02:47.47 | yazdmich | loaded the cd |
| 02:47.55 | yazdmich | go to rescue mode? |
| 02:48.02 | wart___ | hmm which gnash plugin goes with chromium (or do none of them)? there's a lot of entries in the apt-cache saerch gnash |
| 02:48.27 | wart___ | btw, i'm successfully typing this from debian on an archos 101 tablet :-) |
| 02:48.32 | yazdmich | thewanderer1: |
| 02:48.36 | yazdmich | go to rescue mode? |
| 02:49.11 | yazdmich | yo |
| 02:49.13 | yazdmich | hey |
| 02:49.57 | thewanderer1 | yazdmich, yeah, then chroot into your install and install grub-legacy |
| 02:50.11 | thewanderer1 | wizard needs sleep, badly :P |
| 02:50.28 | yazdmich | how do i chroot into my install? |
| 02:52.43 | yazdmich | thewanderer1: ^ |
| 02:53.10 | dvs | wizard is about to die? |
| 02:53.12 | yazdmich | hey |
| 02:53.38 | yazdmich | to chroot, which option do i choose in rescue mode? |
| 02:54.03 | yazdmich | execute a shell in /dev/sda1? |
| 02:55.07 | hamlin | isnt grub legacy the grub-pc package :P |
| 02:55.26 | yazdmich | ? |
| 02:55.30 | yazdmich | hamlin: |
| 02:55.34 | yazdmich | execute a shell in /dev/sda1? |
| 02:56.37 | zykotick9 | hamlin, grub-pc != grub-legacy. Try "apt-cache policy grub-pc" vs "apt-cache policy grub-legacy" to see the different versions |
| 02:57.00 | yazdmich | zykotick9: |
| 02:57.05 | yazdmich | to chroot, which option do i choose in rescue mode? |
| 02:57.07 | yazdmich | execute a shell in /dev/sda1? |
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| 02:57.34 | zykotick9 | yazdmich, sorry i don't know - never used rescue mode (knock on wood) |
| 02:58.15 | hamlin | Meh, I've learned to use a separate /home |
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| 02:58.23 | zykotick9 | yazdmich, once you do get to a prompt this page from ubuntu might help with the actual chroot part https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#ChRoot |
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| 02:58.41 | hamlin | no matter how many times my install fucks up, can just mount the /home on a new install and go on with it |
| 02:59.16 | yazdmich | facepalms |
| 02:59.29 | yazdmich | I CANT BOOT AND GET A TERMINAL |
| 02:59.38 | abrotman | lay off the caps |
| 03:00.27 | yazdmich | sorry, getting tired |
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| 03:01.04 | stew | yazdmich: is /dev/sda1 your / partition? if so, then yes, executing a shell there sounds right |
| 03:01.14 | yazdmich | yes |
| 03:01.23 | abrotman | if you're tired .. go take a nap or go to bed .. the system still won't be booting in teh AM :) |
| 03:01.41 | dvs | never know |
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| 03:04.13 | yazdmich | h |
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| 03:14.18 | yazdmich | /mount: not found |
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| 03:16.01 | yazdmich | chroot/; not found |
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| 03:16.49 | iiu7 | I'm messing around with wireshark a bit, and I keep getting these http://paste.debian.net/147530/ can someone explain what they are? I'm not good at network analysis. |
| 03:17.42 | iiu7 | While the wireshark was running I didn't have any applications opened. |
| 03:18.18 | iiu7 | And I have several from different IP addresses. |
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| 03:23.53 | abrotman | yazdmich: without the / on either side |
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| 03:24.05 | yazdmich | yes |
| 03:24.11 | yazdmich | typos |
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| 03:27.38 | Without | hi, how to check whether raid0 is configure properly, it seems my 4x3TB raid0 are slow |
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| 03:29.04 | phogg | benchmarks! bonnie++ etc |
| 03:29.31 | abrotman | Without: how do you suspect it is poorly configured? |
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| 03:30.54 | Without | abrotman: write speed are worst. |
| 03:31.09 | abrotman | not really what i meant |
| 03:31.21 | abrotman | how do you think you might have misconfigured your array? |
| 03:31.38 | Without | it's not configure by me. |
| 03:31.38 | abrotman | are you sure it's actually RAID0 ? |
| 03:31.50 | Without | yes, it's confirmed raid0 |
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| 03:42.00 | Without | what's the best way to check writing speed? |
| 03:43.12 | epsilon | dd |
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| 03:45.30 | stew | Without: bonnie++ |
| 03:46.56 | Without | i tried dd and it's getting 15.7MB/s only for raid0 |
| 03:47.03 | Without | isn't that configure having problem ? |
| 03:47.17 | stew | Without: what blocksize did you use? |
| 03:47.32 | Without | i'm not sure as it's not setup by me. |
| 03:47.36 | Without | stew: how can i check ? |
| 03:47.47 | stew | Without: no, i mean what blocksize did you tell dd to use |
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| 03:47.58 | Without | 1M |
| 03:48.07 | stew | that's not very big |
| 03:48.19 | Dulak | Without: you realize raid0 concatenates right? There is no speed increase in reads like with a raid1 setup |
| 03:48.41 | Without | dulak: i'm talking on writing speed |
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| 03:49.14 | Dulak | Without: still just a concat operation, there should be no real difference between raid0 and no raid |
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| 03:49.43 | Dulak | Without: it just takes 2 partitions/disks/whatever and makes them into 1, no speed differences |
| 03:50.13 | jenia | hello. if i make a tar file from the whole file system, go to another machine, lets say B |
| 03:50.35 | abrotman | what is the first machine called? |
| 03:50.43 | jenia | hello. if i make a tar file from the whole file system, go to another machine, lets say B |
| 03:50.50 | stew | Dulak: no, that's not what raid0 is, with raid0 you should expect to be able to increase throughput |
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| 03:50.59 | jenia | install debian on that new machine |
| 03:51.00 | stew | Dulak: you are talking about jbod, not raid0 |
| 03:51.08 | epsilon | Dulak: actually raid0 doubles the speed |
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| 03:51.30 | jenia | take that tar file and replace the whole file system on machine B with the contents of the tar file |
| 03:51.51 | abrotman | epsilon: in theory |
| 03:52.02 | jenia | will this break the installation on machine B? |
| 03:52.28 | epsilon | jenia: depends - as long the arch is supported by the mashine, it should work |
| 03:53.04 | epsilon | still you probably have to fix boormanager or some system setting (hardware, network etc) |
| 03:53.05 | Dulak | That is debatable, yes you can see more performance as it allows both drives to seek at once but in my testing I saw virtually no difference between raid0 and no raid |
| 03:53.24 | epsilon | Dulak: then you did sth wrong |
| 03:53.59 | Dulak | sure I did, because I couldn't have done it right yet not seen these magical speed increases... |
| 03:54.18 | jenia | the arch is the archive i presume? but what if the hard drives are different, the motherboards and stuff. will all the information and metainformation (checksums and all) work on the new computer? |
| 03:54.27 | stew | Dulak: what was the test you did? |
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| 03:54.51 | epsilon | jenia: acthitecture, f.e. i386 amd64... |
| 03:55.07 | stew | Dulak: you can find raid0 not doing as well as you would hope when things happen like you end up with a bus being the bottleneck instead of the disks |
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| 03:55.19 | epsilon | Dulak: then you probably had somewhere a bottleneck |
| 03:55.24 | dvs | jenia: your /etc/fstab will be messed up |
| 03:55.29 | dvs | \for starteers |
| 03:55.36 | coolforyou | hi all |
| 03:55.44 | stew | Dulak: and the performance doesn't come from both drives seeking at once, it comes from both drives being able to read at the same time |
| 03:56.10 | jenia | oh yea okay. |
| 03:56.33 | Dulak | Is reading not a seek operation? |
| 03:57.20 | jenia | are there software that allow me to make a full back up of my system and then to copy it to another machine? (with the problems with file system tables resolved) |
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| 03:57.26 | Dulak | Anyways, in my mind it's hype, you increase the risk to your data for questionable performance gains. raid1 was much better for my usage, thought I'm not doing write heavy things. |
| 03:57.34 | stew | Dulak: typically a read is a seek then a transfer, right? when you do somehting like read a file, it is many seeks and many transfers... |
| 03:57.44 | coolforyou | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.12 | stew | Dulak: but when one drive seeks they all seek and when one reads they all read. when they read, the amount read from any one disk is a fraction of what it would be from a single disk |
| 03:58.17 | coolforyou | i mean i don't know how to locate the specific place where the downloaded file located |
| 03:58.29 | coolforyou | hi syew |
| 03:58.37 | coolforyou | can you please help me |
| 03:59.04 | Without | i do have /dev/sda /dev/sdb /dev/sdc /dev/sdd /dev/dm-0 /dev/dm-1 which 1 should i test? |
| 04:00.05 | stew | coolforyou: what package are you trying to install? |
| 04:00.25 | stew | Without: you don't know which of those is the raid array? |
| 04:00.30 | coolforyou | actually graphics driver stew |
| 04:01.09 | stew | coolforyou: which? where did you get it? |
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| 04:01.35 | Dulak | stew: I guess I don't understand that because same partitions, no raid and raid 0 were about the same but raid1 is close to twice as fast on reads |
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| 04:02.30 | coolforyou | actually i downloaded the specific graphics driver for my hardware , but i tried to install it using synpatic package manager , but i could not locate the file to the synaptic |
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| 04:02.51 | coolforyou | it is not taking it |
| 04:02.53 | stew | coolforyou: downloaded what? from where? |
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| 04:03.14 | coolforyou | downloaded graphics driver for my diaplay from debian site |
| 04:03.36 | stew | coolforyou: what was the filename? |
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| 04:04.10 | stew | coolforyou: is there a reason you are downloding packages from debian instead of letting something like synaptic download them for you? |
| 04:04.10 | coolforyou | synaptic_0.62.1+nmu1_i386.deb |
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| 04:04.30 | stew | coolforyou: if you want to install synaptic, just run "aptitude install synaptic" |
| 04:04.50 | stew | judd: versions synaptic |
| 04:04.53 | judd | Package: synaptic on i386 -- lenny: 0.62.1+nmu1; squeeze: 0.70~pre1+b1; sid: 0.75.3; wheezy: 0.75.3 |
| 04:04.54 | Without | i tried with all /dev/sda /dev/sdb /dev/sdc /dev/sdd /dev/dm-0 /dev/dm-1 it seems the speed only 21GB around 37.0MB/s... |
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| 04:05.00 | stew | coolforyou: you are running lenny? |
| 04:05.17 | coolforyou | oh yes stew i downloaded lenny |
| 04:05.18 | stew | Without: how are you testing this? |
| 04:05.29 | coolforyou | what i have to do |
| 04:05.35 | Without | stew using dd with bs=2M count=10000 |
| 04:05.36 | coolforyou | sorry stew i am neewbie |
| 04:05.44 | stew | coolforyou: but synaptics isn't a graphics driver, its a package manager |
| 04:06.11 | stew | Without: why are you using such a small block size? where are you copying the data from? |
| 04:06.16 | coolforyou | yes stew i wanted to install this driver using synpatic package manager |
| 04:06.23 | stew | coolforyou: what driver? |
| 04:06.36 | coolforyou | graphics driver |
| 04:06.45 | stew | coolforyou: is there a reason you are being so secretive about this? |
| 04:07.05 | stew | coolforyou: that you won't actually tell me what graphics driver this is and where you downloaded it from? |
| 04:07.07 | Without | stew: it write the raw data into disk. dd bs=2M count=10000 if=/dev/sda of=./20gb.bin |
| 04:07.24 | stew | Without: what device is . on? |
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| 04:07.42 | stew | Without: you are testing a read with a write going on at the same time, not just a read or just a write |
| 04:07.45 | coolforyou | actually stew , when i was using xp , my display will be good , but in thid debian it not good , so i thought if i install graphics diaplay driver with 3d then it will look good |
| 04:07.55 | Without | stew: /dev/mapper/raid0-lvm |
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| 04:08.06 | stew | coolforyou: well sorry I can't help if you can't ansewr my simple questions |
| 04:08.26 | coolforyou | stew i am bad at english :( |
| 04:08.37 | coolforyou | please ask your question |
| 04:08.59 | boudiccas | coolforyou: what driver? |
| 04:09.02 | stew | Without: you should be using bonnie++ or something |
| 04:09.32 | Without | dd? |
| 04:09.34 | coolforyou | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.14 | coolforyou | it is built in graphics card stew |
| 04:10.17 | stew | coolforyou: you downloaded which driver? from where? what was the filename? |
| 04:10.39 | stew | this is going to end up being non-free software I don't want to help with anyway, i should just give up |
| 04:10.56 | coolforyou | i downloaded from xserver-xorg-video-ati |
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| 04:11.46 | stew | coolforyou: just run "aptitude install xorg" and you'll get all the free, included graphics drivers, including xserver-xorg-video-ati |
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| 04:12.06 | coolforyou | woooow , how to do it stew |
| 04:12.21 | stew | coolforyou: type "aptitude install xorg" |
| 04:12.35 | coolforyou | in terminal right ? |
| 04:12.53 | stew | yes |
| 04:13.04 | stew | coolforyou: are you running a graphical environment already? |
| 04:13.09 | coolforyou | thank a lot stew , please parden me for my bad english |
| 04:13.11 | stew | coolforyou: you probably already have xserver-xorg-video-ati installed |
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| 04:13.28 | coolforyou | how to check it stew |
| 04:14.16 | stew | coolforyou: does "dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-ati" return a line starting with "ii"? |
| 04:14.47 | coolforyou | let me check and tell you stew:) |
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| 04:16.02 | coolforyou | yes stew it is returning the value "ii: |
| 04:16.12 | stew | coolforyou: then you already have this driver installed |
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| 04:16.20 | coolforyou | but i didn't install it ? |
| 04:16.54 | stew | coolforyou: all the drivers are installed when you install the graphical environment unless you go through a lot of trouble to exclude certain drivers |
| 04:17.10 | stew | coolforyou: so its expected that if you have a graphical install, you have all the drivers in debian |
| 04:17.12 | coolforyou | i just downloaded and tried to installing using synaptic !!!!. is this driver got installed automatically durinf os installation stew ? |
| 04:17.26 | stew | coolforyou: yes |
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| 04:18.11 | coolforyou | ok stew , but stew my worries is , my display is not looking good , can you get my point . usually in window it will look good i mean the clarity \ |
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| 04:18.28 | coolforyou | i mean in windows xp |
| 04:18.39 | coolforyou | should i have to adjust resolution ? |
| 04:18.42 | stew | coolforyou: then I would guess you are not using an optimal resolution for your monitor |
| 04:19.10 | stew | coolforyou: do you know the native resolution for your monitor? |
| 04:19.34 | coolforyou | no stew , how to find it ? is there any command for it |
| 04:19.52 | stew | coolforyou: xrandr |
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| 04:20.24 | coolforyou | actually i am a java programmer , i wont concentrate much on it , but i wanted to learn linux in debian with stable flavor , so i am doing it |
| 04:20.37 | coolforyou | ok stew let me check and tell you :) |
| 04:21.38 | stew | i'm sorry, i was confused. xrandr would tell you what resolution you are currently running and all resolutions it currently thinks are valid. it would not tell you your native resolution of your monitor |
| 04:21.57 | coolforyou | current is 1024x768 , maximum is 4096x4096 |
| 04:22.03 | stew | for that you'd probably want to google the monitor's model number or check with the manufacturer documentation |
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| 04:23.08 | coolforyou | oh ok stew , what should we do after knowing the native resolution |
| 04:23.18 | acu_ | !paste |
| 04:23.19 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
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| 04:23.44 | stew | coolforyou: make sure you are running X at the native resolution. if the native resolution of your monitor is NOT 1024x768, it would likely be the reason things are blurry |
| 04:24.20 | kua | I'm having a problem with Xfce4, I'm missing my titlebars/ minimize maximize and alt-tab between apps in not working |
| 04:24.30 | kua | running sid / testing |
| 04:24.33 | coolforyou | what is "X" at the native resolution stew ? |
| 04:24.53 | coolforyou | do you mean my monitore |
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| 04:25.24 | stew | coolforyou: by X i mean: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_window_system |
| 04:25.41 | stew | coolforyou: you seem to indicate that you are currently running X at 1024x768 |
| 04:25.45 | coolforyou | ok stew , i will check it and tell you :) |
| 04:25.54 | kua | The windows are launching but are just positioning in the upper-left corner with no way to move them |
| 04:26.01 | coolforyou | yes yes stew |
| 04:26.05 | stew | kua: sounds like you don' thave a window manager running |
| 04:26.27 | coolforyou | but the clarity is not like what i had with windows xp . that is my worries :( |
| 04:27.04 | kua | stew: I think your right, but I cant figure out how to start it up by default. I'm getting the Xfce4 panel/launcher bar, why not the window manager? |
| 04:27.27 | stew | kua: if you try running "xfwm4" now, do things become more as you expected? |
| 04:27.43 | kua | let me see if I can get to a terminal |
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| 04:28.27 | kua | stew: yes that works! |
| 04:28.33 | Without | stew: it seems my raid0 array doesn't seperate the ioload as i'm looking at iostat it's only 1 disk writing/reading |
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| 04:28.40 | kua | how can i get that to run on every login? |
| 04:28.59 | kua | could it be that gnome is interfering with xfce4? |
| 04:30.15 | stew | Without: its not raid0 then |
| 04:30.24 | stew | Without: which device are you writing to? how? which device(s) are you seeing active in iostat? |
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| 04:30.40 | stew | kua: are you logging in using a display manager? or startx? or what? |
| 04:30.52 | coolforyou | stew , my monitor is old one 1515S . according to the review it says maximun resolution is 1024x768 at 32 bit color depth |
| 04:31.04 | Without | stew: i do have 4hdd /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, /dev/sdc, /dev/sdd... it seems only /dev/sdb is writing/reading |
| 04:31.05 | kua | stew, I'm using gdm3 |
| 04:31.15 | coolforyou | stew , my monitor is old one LG flatron 1515S . according to the review it says maximun resolution is 1024x768 at 32 bit color depth |
| 04:31.17 | Without | others remain idle. |
| 04:31.37 | coolforyou | sorry without .....:( |
| 04:31.38 | stew | kua: and what session type are you telling gdm3 to use? |
| 04:32.03 | stew | coolforyou: sorry, I don't know then |
| 04:32.13 | acu_ | hey guys - I got a HP G7 laptop and try to install the wifi Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter - I cannot make the driver work - try to compile the driver and get some errors - here is a paste with make also I have lsmod and lspci - can anyone help ? http://paste.debian.net/147534/ -- I use debian squeeze amd64 |
| 04:32.27 | coolforyou | stew , so now mine is running is maximum resolution right ? |
| 04:32.43 | stew | Without: what device are you writing to? |
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| 04:32.51 | coolforyou | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:33.10 | stew | coolforyou: that's what you seem to be telling me |
| 04:33.17 | Without | stew: /dev/dm-0 |
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| 04:33.43 | stew | Without: and how is that set up? |
| 04:33.54 | coolforyou | ok stew . so can reduce the windows ikon size , so i guess it will look good |
| 04:33.58 | Without | stew: what do you mean how is that set up ? |
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| 04:34.10 | lotus-blade | ok I am having a small sound problem. I went back to stable version now. I can get my regular speakers to work, but I am getting nothing from my sorround speakers |
| 04:34.11 | caimlas | hi folks, does anyone here use /dev/disk/by-path on Debian? it does not appear to populate for me automagically, and i'm wondering how to get it to work. |
| 04:34.14 | meLon | I am having a hard time connecting to my mail server remotely. Everything works fine, but I cannot open ports 993/995 remotely. Here is my iptables config: http://pastie.org/private/rynxbnsdibmc7kmrneg8va |
| 04:34.16 | lemonchickenftl | i am running lenny on my vps, someone told me to update it, could i get a link? |
| 04:34.18 | coolforyou | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:34.20 | lotus-blade | what can I do for this? |
| 04:34.21 | stew | Without: this is a lv, right? |
| 04:34.41 | Without | stew: yes lvm software raid0 |
| 04:34.48 | stew | Without: what are the pvs? |
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| 04:35.02 | Without | stew: pvs means ? |
| 04:35.17 | kua | stew: I'm telling it to use the xfce session.... |
| 04:35.23 | coolforyou | i mean like in windows xp we can reduce the windows size and ikon size so that it will give some good clarity |
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| 04:35.51 | kua | Yes, I'm using the xfce-session |
| 04:36.04 | stew | kua: ok, that sounds right, but I don't know enough (or anything really) about xfce to tell you how to solve it |
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| 04:36.33 | lemonchickenftl | how do i upgrade from lenny to whatever is lastest? |
| 04:36.34 | stew | Without: physical volume |
| 04:36.45 | kua | stew: thanks. I have to say this is the 2nd problem I've had running sid/testing in the past 9 months or so...not too bad |
| 04:36.54 | stew | Without: can you pastebin the output of "lvdisplay" and "vgdisplay" and "pvdisplay" |
| 04:36.57 | coolforyou | stew , my main target is to make the look like mac osx with docksetting and with good clarity , so what i have to for it |
| 04:37.17 | coolforyou | sorry for distrubing you much stew |
| 04:37.28 | stew | kua: you should check the bts, of course |
| 04:37.33 | Without | ok, one moment |
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| 04:37.51 | kua | stew: I just logged out and back in and now it works :/ ... wow! |
| 04:38.09 | kua | could have been a lock file cleared when I launced it by hand? |
| 04:38.13 | stew | coolforyou: sorry, if you are really running at the native resolution for your monitor i don't know what might be your clarity problem, I'm sorry |
| 04:38.35 | kua | well, thanks for the xfwm hint! |
| 04:38.35 | lemonchickenftl | how do i upgrade from lenny to whatever is lastest? |
| 04:38.51 | stew | lemonchickenftl: follow the instructions in chapter 4 of the squeeze release notes |
| 04:39.35 | Without | stew: http://www.pastebin.com/eR8rgG2v |
| 04:39.39 | coolforyou | stew , actually i think if i reduce the windows size and ikon size then it may give good clarity , but i don't know how to change the setting |
| 04:39.43 | lemonchickenftl | ty stew |
| 04:40.21 | stew | Without: when I go to that url it says "Unknown Paste ID!" |
| 04:40.35 | Without | stew: http://www.pastebin.com/eE8rgG2v |
| 04:40.40 | Without | sorry typo ;) |
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| 04:42.16 | lemonchickenftl | stew is http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04.html.en what you mean? |
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| 04:45.32 | paolo | hello |
| 04:45.51 | paolo | can someone help me with .Xresources? |
| 04:45.59 | coolforyou | stew , what is KDE 4.4.5 , XFCE ,LXDE ? if i install these things then it may give good clarity right |
| 04:46.26 | Xiol | paolo: Don't ask if you can ask! |
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| 04:47.54 | paolo | Xiol, I don't understand? |
| 04:48.31 | Xiol | paolo: Just ask your question :) |
| 04:49.00 | paolo | Ermm, Urxvt isn't reading my xdefaults |
| 04:49.08 | paolo | what do? |
| 04:50.36 | paolo | neither is reading my xresources |
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| 04:50.43 | coolforyou | paolo , can you help me ? i wanted to make debian squeeze desktop look good with good clarity |
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| 04:50.50 | stew | Without: oops, i think we wanted "lvdisplay --maps" to see the mapping to pvs |
| 04:50.58 | paolo | What are the steps Xiol |
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| 04:51.17 | paolo | coolforyou try lighter themes? |
| 04:51.48 | coolforyou | thank you paolo , how to install lighter themes ? sorry |
| 04:51.57 | stew | coolforyou: those are "desktop environments" which are suites of applications meant to deliver a "desktop" experience. they will not affect clarity |
| 04:51.58 | Without | stew: there u go, pastebin.com/9E7mQe94 |
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| 04:52.10 | paolo | http://ompldr.org/vNzNjYQ Xiol my theme should look like this |
| 04:52.21 | christo_m | Hey, anyone have a problem when trying to install with usb and/or CD, and having the computer reboot |
| 04:52.30 | paolo | but it has a white BG |
| 04:52.33 | christo_m | I can boot into windows media center just fine, so its not anything hardware related |
| 04:52.43 | christo_m | but im not able to actually install debian or debian variants like ubuntu |
| 04:52.46 | coolforyou | stew , i wanted to make this desktop look good , may be that is what i am expaecting |
| 04:52.57 | stew | Without: yeah, that doesn't look like striped to me, they are arranged one after the other |
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| 04:53.32 | Without | stew: how can i appoarch my provider to solve it? i do have kvm/impi |
| 04:53.43 | stew | Without: see how the logical extends map. the first set are all on one drive then the next set on another drive... |
| 04:53.54 | Tekk_ | anyone know if the default build of libsdl includes framebuffer support? |
| 04:54.01 | Tekk_ | in wheezy |
| 04:54.22 | coolforyou | stew , i think the clarity is good , but the graphics of the basic defualt provided by debian is only very worst , may be that is waht i am expecting |
| 04:54.33 | lemonchickenftl | stew is http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04.html.en what you mean? |
| 04:54.35 | stew | Without: make sure you are passing -i4 to lvcreate, you may need to pass -I as well, i'm not sure. I alwasy do raid with mdadm |
| 04:54.53 | stew | lemonchickenftl: no, http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 04:55.03 | lemonchickenftl | :) ty |
| 04:55.08 | Without | stew: i need to create from fresh ? |
| 04:55.28 | stew | Without: yes |
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| 04:56.33 | coolforyou | stew , can you get my point ? |
| 04:56.47 | stew | Without: i believe so. you might want to verify by creating a raid0 yourself with -i and see that "lvdisplay --maps" looks different |
| 04:56.48 | Without | stew: tq stew.. :) |
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| 04:57.43 | stew | coolforyou: no. are you saying the clarity improved? |
| 04:57.45 | coolforyou | stew , i saw some youtube video s , there they have very good stylish desktop environment |
| 04:57.57 | stew | coolforyou: ok? |
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| 04:58.49 | coolforyou | clarity is good only but the defualt debian desktop environment is not looking good , so wanted to make desktop to stylish |
| 04:59.26 | coolforyou | some of them are making the debian look like mac osx , how goosd they look like .... amazing |
| 05:00.37 | coolforyou | stew , can you please help me in how to change the theme |
| 05:01.26 | coolforyou | ok let me search in google and if i have doubt then will ask you stew , sorry \ |
| 05:03.26 | stew | coolforyou: i don't know, sorry. I'm sure that we don't find the same things stylish |
| 05:04.05 | coolforyou | ooh ok stew , but my expectation is to make it look good with some theme :( |
| 05:04.24 | coolforyou | i am just stuggling for that i guess |
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| 05:05.54 | coolforyou | stew , what theme you are using ? which one is your fav |
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| 05:07.54 | stew | coolforyou: i don't use anything that has themes, i'm not into fancy desktop environments |
| 05:08.02 | zykotick9 | coolforyou, two points: 1) beauty is in the eye of the beholder 2) beauty is only skin deep ;) |
| 05:08.15 | coolforyou | ooh oh stew :) . thanks amazing :) |
| 05:09.10 | coolforyou | yes zykotick9 . i wanted to install good themes just for look and feel good |
| 05:09.38 | acu_ | OK - any hints for realtek wifi driver RTL8188CE ? |
| 05:09.40 | coolforyou | can any one suggest me a good theme for debian ? |
| 05:10.02 | Tekk_ | coolforyou: DE? |
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| 05:10.11 | stew | !RTL8188CE |
| 05:10.11 | dpkg | For support of Realtek RTL8188CE-based PCI-E wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rtl8192ce>. For support of Realtek RTL8188CE-VAU-based USB wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rtl8192cu>. |
| 05:10.29 | coolforyou | tekk , what is DE means ? |
| 05:10.33 | zykotick9 | coolforyou, if you are using Gnome you might want to have a look at http://gnome-look.org/ |
| 05:10.34 | paolo | Can someone help me? my .xdefaults doesn't apply on Urxvt |
| 05:10.41 | coolforyou | yes desktop enviroment tekk |
| 05:10.43 | stew | paolo: did you merge them with xrdb? |
| 05:10.48 | paolo | yes |
| 05:10.50 | Tekk_ | coolforyou: what desktop are you using? gnome or kde? |
| 05:10.55 | coolforyou | gnome |
| 05:11.02 | paolo | and they are still the defaults |
| 05:11.08 | coolforyou | tekk gnome |
| 05:11.09 | Tekk_ | coolforyou: look at zykotick9 's link, gnome-look.org |
| 05:11.15 | Tekk_ | they have a lot of good themes |
| 05:11.17 | paolo | but I themed them using nano |
| 05:11.37 | Tekk_ | paolo: URxvt.whatever, right? |
| 05:11.39 | coolforyou | thanks you zykotick and tekk and paolo |
| 05:11.39 | Tekk_ | it's not Urxvt |
| 05:12.00 | paolo | my debian reads it as urxvt |
| 05:12.11 | paolo | but it won't theme |
| 05:12.12 | Tekk_ | paolo: wait... |
| 05:12.39 | Tekk_ | it's Xdefaults |
| 05:12.41 | Tekk_ | not xdefaults |
| 05:12.57 | Tekk_ | if nothing themes properly I'd try renaming ;) |
| 05:12.58 | paolo | yes Xdefaults and Xresources. |
| 05:13.09 | Tekk_ | okay, you said xdefaults so I didn't know if you had the wrong filename |
| 05:13.16 | paolo | they are the correct name and are linked |
| 05:13.27 | coolforyou | zygo , is there any theme which gives mac osx feel , i mean with docksetting |
| 05:13.46 | Tekk_ | coolforyou: sudo aptitude install avant-window-navigator will give you a macos style dock |
| 05:13.53 | Tekk_ | and there are plenty of osxey themes |
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| 05:14.11 | coolforyou | woow thanks tekk let me check that |
| 05:14.27 | Tekk_ | coolforyou: no problem |
| 05:14.28 | paolo | Is making the Xdefaults file with sudo not appropriate? |
| 05:14.32 | coolforyou | :) |
| 05:14.35 | Tekk_ | now hopes tekk_'s law of ubuntu doesn't apply here |
| 05:14.40 | Tekk_ | of #ubuntu* |
| 05:15.14 | paolo | Tekk_ I made a minimal install with AwesomeWM |
| 05:15.26 | paolo | and the principal app is urxvt |
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| 05:16.17 | paolo | but my files of theming terminal are named correctly, but won't go. |
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| 05:18.59 | stew | paolo: with sudo? you should not need sudo. this should be in your home directory editable by you |
| 05:19.08 | paolo | oh ok |
| 05:19.10 | stew | and the filename doesn't matter if you are running xrdb -merge by hand anyway |
| 05:19.16 | paolo | made it without sudo |
| 05:19.34 | paolo | thx both of you |
| 05:24.29 | coolforyou | tekk , process completed , but the desktop has not changed yet , do i have to restart? |
| 05:26.53 | dioz | when someone says the phraze "the way X was meant to be run" what do they mean? |
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| 05:27.17 | Luminary | without gnome |
| 05:27.26 | coolforyou | tekkand poalo , "sudo aptitude install avant-window-navigator " process completed , but there is no effect in desktop yet , do i have to restart for changes |
| 05:28.17 | stew | dioz: without more context, i don't know how we could know |
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| 05:28.44 | stew | dioz: i could guess and say they that are talking about the fact that it is a network protocol |
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| 05:29.26 | dioz | yeah! |
| 05:29.29 | dioz | claps |
| 05:29.35 | dioz | ding ding ding ding! |
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| 05:31.10 | coolforyou | how to install theme which are downloaded ? it is in tar.bz2 |
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| 05:32.36 | stew | coolforyou: if you don't know how to use avant-window-navigator, you should probably check /usr/share/doc/avant-window-navigator first |
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| 05:33.21 | coolforyou | ok stew , actually the prosess was completed , but the desktop has not yet changed :( |
| 05:34.20 | stew | coolforyou: did you read the documentation? |
| 05:34.42 | coolforyou | stew , i have downloaded some theme for gnome-look.org , but it in archeive file i.e., tar.bz2 . oh sorry stew will read it now |
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| 05:41.01 | acu_ | is there a debian with the original untouched linux kernel ? |
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| 05:42.12 | stew | acu_: no, since it contains non-free software |
| 05:42.51 | acu_ | stew: better dead than slave :) |
| 05:42.54 | meLon | You want Linus' git, acu_? That 'untouched' enough for you? |
| 05:43.19 | stew | acu_: huh? |
| 05:43.56 | acu_ | I just want a Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter to work on a debian squeeze |
| 05:44.52 | acu_ | I thought I am done with this stuff - here I am half a day trying to make work something as ubiquitous as it can get - a wifi card |
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| 05:45.41 | stew | acu_: did you install the firmware from non-free? |
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| 05:47.08 | acu_ | I did try everything my hands got on - non-free firmware - I downloaded the driver from manufacturer still cannot get it |
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| 05:47.53 | stew | acu_: which firmware package did you install? |
| 05:48.14 | acu_ | what is bad I cannot even do a make clean make something is screwed there too |
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| 05:50.19 | acu_ | I get base.c: In function ‘_rtl_init_mac80211’: -----base.c:320: error: ‘IEEE80211_HW_CONNECTION_MONITOR’ undeclared (first use in this function) |
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| 05:51.28 | stew | acu_: you have the headers installed for the currently running kernel? |
| 05:53.23 | acu_ | stew I installed the headers - I hope they are for the current running kernel |
| 05:53.38 | stew | acu_: what was the package name you installed? |
| 05:55.11 | acu_ | stew: I installed the headers when I did the ATI flgrx ---:aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') fglrx-control fglrx-driver |
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| 05:55.48 | stew | what on earth? |
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| 05:56.15 | stew | acu_: is linux-headers-$(uname -r) installed? |
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| 05:59.22 | acu_ | stew: how can I search which one is installed ? I did also aptitude install firmware-realtek wireless-tools |
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| 06:00.20 | stew | acu_: dpkg -l is one way |
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| 06:00.33 | pumafyre | hey all |
| 06:00.36 | stew | acu_: do you know the pciid of the card? |
| 06:00.38 | pumafyre | LMDE or Squeeze? |
| 06:00.49 | stew | pumafyre: i don't understand the question |
| 06:00.52 | pumafyre | I'm running both in two different partitions |
| 06:00.56 | pumafyre | stew |
| 06:01.16 | pumafyre | if you had to choose between Linux Mint Debian Edition or straight up Stable, which would you choose? |
| 06:01.24 | stew | pumafyre: we like debian here |
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| 06:01.56 | pumafyre | heh |
| 06:01.58 | pumafyre | ok then |
| 06:02.02 | pumafyre | fair enough |
| 06:02.08 | pumafyre | what are you running stew ? |
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| 06:02.18 | stew | pumafyre: debian... |
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| 06:02.39 | pumafyre | Wheezy? |
| 06:02.42 | pumafyre | Squeezy? |
| 06:02.45 | stew | pumafyre: really, what kind of answers are you going to expect in this channel? |
| 06:02.49 | pumafyre | well |
| 06:02.52 | pumafyre | good point |
| 06:02.59 | pumafyre | just looking for opinions and information |
| 06:03.05 | pumafyre | not a final answer |
| 06:03.11 | pumafyre | *research* |
| 06:03.18 | pumafyre | I love both |
| 06:03.22 | pumafyre | I love debian linux |
| 06:03.31 | stew | pumafyre: you love your enter key too much |
| 06:03.35 | pumafyre | heh |
| 06:03.36 | acu_ | stew: I have installed ii linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 2.6.32-39 and lii linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common 2.6.32-39 |
| 06:03.37 | pumafyre | true |
| 06:04.14 | acu_ | pumafyre: did you smoke some herbs - you look hyper :) |
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| 06:04.39 | acu_ | take a breath in - think - come to present - ask your question :) |
| 06:04.52 | dioz | lol |
| 06:05.02 | dioz | got harshed on |
| 06:05.03 | dioz | bro |
| 06:05.07 | pumafyre | lol |
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| 06:05.33 | pumafyre | acu_: no :) |
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| 06:05.37 | acu_ | pumafyre: people in here are top notch professionals - they will answer you concrete questions |
| 06:05.52 | pumafyre | acu_: thank you :) so, here's a question |
| 06:06.27 | pumafyre | I'm tunning Wheezy, which is a rolling release. If I understand that accurately, I won't ever have to do a dist upgrade |
| 06:06.41 | pumafyre | *running, not tunning |
| 06:06.57 | pumafyre | what happens to Squeeze when Wheezy becomes stable? |
| 06:07.12 | pumafyre | how do I upgrade Squeeze? Is it a total hassle? |
| 06:07.24 | stew | pumafyre: no, wheezy is not a rolling release. well perhaps, but lots of people have a different version of what a rolling release is |
| 06:07.31 | pumafyre | stew: ok |
| 06:07.35 | acu_ | Nothing - it stay squeeze - usually there are tools for smooth upgrade |
| 06:07.42 | stew | pumafyre: depending on what you mean by "dist upgrade", yes you will probably have to do this to run wheezy |
| 06:07.47 | pumafyre | acu_: ok |
| 06:08.06 | stew | pumafyre: when wheezy becomes stable, squeeze becomes "oldstable" and gets security support for one more year |
| 06:08.14 | pumafyre | ok stew, thank you |
| 06:08.26 | pumafyre | hm |
| 06:08.32 | stew | pumafyre: what do you mean by "dist upgrade"? |
| 06:08.32 | pumafyre | when is that set to happen? |
| 06:08.42 | acu_ | but you can upgrade it - usually with ease |
| 06:08.47 | stew | pumafyre: when there aren't any more release critical bugs |
| 06:08.49 | pumafyre | stew, let me preface this by saying that I"m new to Debian |
| 06:08.54 | acu_ | we know |
| 06:08.55 | pumafyre | ok |
| 06:08.58 | pumafyre | lol |
| 06:09.01 | zykotick9 | pumafyre, for details of the lenny to squeeze update procedure see "/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze" |
| 06:09.08 | pumafyre | thank you zykotick9 |
| 06:09.14 | acu_ | !newbie |
| 06:09.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, newbie is someone who is new to linux or debian, and should read the docs (/usr/share/doc/) |
| 06:09.54 | stew | that's not really the details of lenny->squeeze, that is more like a summary |
| 06:10.03 | stew | for the details see chapter 4 of the squeeze release notes |
| 06:10.22 | zykotick9 | pumafyre, debian is fond of saying releases happen "when it's ready", i believe there is some sort of poll in IRC somewhere on guessing the date |
| 06:10.28 | pumafyre | stew, I see that |
| 06:10.34 | pumafyre | ahh ok |
| 06:10.53 | pumafyre | zykotick9: I mean, is it happening in 2 years or more like within the next 3 months |
| 06:11.09 | acu_ | pumafyre: you just start using the system - and as you go along - when you have questions you ask - now it seems that you just install wheezy few minutes ago and do not know what to ask :) If it is running do not spend extra neurons - do your work with it - (I would suggest some neuroscience research) |
| 06:11.11 | pumafyre | because seems like testing has been pretty stable lately :) |
| 06:11.24 | pumafyre | lol acu_ |
| 06:11.27 | pumafyre | thank you |
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| 06:11.41 | pumafyre | acu_: Squeeze is running beautifully |
| 06:11.50 | stew | we plan to "freeze" wheezy in june 2012. then its just a matter of getting the RC bug count down to (near) zero |
| 06:12.03 | pumafyre | stew: ok thanks |
| 06:12.03 | pumafyre | wow |
| 06:12.07 | pumafyre | it's a ways off then |
| 06:12.24 | stew | there is certainly no way of knowing how long it will take to get the bug count down, but it will be measured in months |
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| 06:12.32 | acu_ | pumafyre: so until June - your wheezy will update kernels - will break down - if you just play with it - fine - if you have some job to do, use stable |
| 06:12.36 | pumafyre | stew: yes, I understand that much |
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| 06:12.48 | pumafyre | acu_: ok, thank you |
| 06:12.54 | stew | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ -> Number concerning the next release: 1052 |
| 06:13.03 | pumafyre | oh wow |
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| 06:13.10 | pumafyre | so |
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| 06:13.19 | pumafyre | I have the best of both worlds |
| 06:13.46 | pumafyre | well thank you everyone |
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| 06:14.07 | dioz | what is the best ssh client for windows? |
| 06:14.15 | acu_ | putty |
| 06:14.20 | stew | dioz: you should ask ##windows |
| 06:14.29 | dioz | i'm gonna go completely overboard and say cygin with openssh |
| 06:14.34 | dioz | cygwin |
| 06:14.45 | acu_ | dioz; you want to access a linux computer through ssh from a windows machine ? Putty |
| 06:14.46 | dioz | it has transparency! |
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| 06:15.31 | Math^ | hey guys, my server is running for almost a week now without any problems, but this morning I couldn't ssh on it anymore, and had to reboot the system. What could cause this, and how can I prevent it? |
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| 06:16.45 | acu_ | Math^, you should do a dmesg and see what errors you have - --- also you can go to /var/log/ and see errors of all types in there |
| 06:17.04 | Math^ | acu_: ty |
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| 06:17.50 | acu_ | Math^, but it can be plenty of times - perhaps you had a computer in the network with the same IP - a rogue DHCP, your system got too hot, someone triped on the cable, |
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| 06:18.10 | Math^ | acu_: I can see this: eth0: no IPv6 routers present |
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| 06:19.09 | acu_ | do you have access to the computer - directly - is the computer running otherwise? /sbin/ifconfig |
| 06:19.41 | acu_ | is it setup for DHCP or a static IP ? |
| 06:19.50 | acu_ | what is in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 06:19.58 | Math^ | acu_: I've made this IP static in my router |
| 06:20.02 | stew | Math^: you really should be checking /var/log/syslog from the time when ssh stopped working to see if you see anything obvious |
| 06:20.25 | stew | Math^: were you able to ping the machine? or talk to it any other way besides ssh/ |
| 06:20.36 | acu_ | Math^, so you should set it up as static in /etc/network/interfaces too |
| 06:20.50 | Math^ | stew: sorry, I haven't tried that, I did a reboot |
| 06:20.51 | stew | Math^: so does that mean that your machine is configured to get an address via dhcp? can you check the dhcp server logs? |
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| 06:21.10 | acu_ | I know there are routers which leases specifically to MAC address and so on - |
| 06:21.28 | Math^ | stew: yes, it's using dhcp, my router gives the ip addr |
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| 06:27.38 | acu_ | Is anyway to see a DVD movie in Debian Squeeze ? |
| 06:29.22 | acu_ | I did not try to play a movie since long time - TOTEM does not work, and so is VLC |
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| 06:29.59 | acu_ | well - this is a Server Universal Operating System - but I thought is OK to use it as Desktop too :) |
| 06:30.12 | zykotick9 | !tell acu_ about dvd playback |
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| 06:31.12 | zykotick9 | acu_, i think squeeze is the best desktop possible, but i value stability highly |
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| 06:33.22 | acu_ | zygotick9: I use it also since several years - but I am still amazed that so basic functions need a ton of tweaks - in 2011 :) - Realtek wifi does not work - the ATI I used proprietary (means extra headache to begin with) - movies do not play etc - I used many years ago to enable Marrilat repositories - I have to search if they are there |
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| 06:34.54 | stew | acu_: there probably isn't a legal way for you to play dvds if they are encrypted. if it were an unencrypted dvd, i'd expect you'd already be watching it |
| 06:35.32 | zykotick9 | is glad he lives in Canada |
| 06:35.35 | stew | acu_: as long as the companies like realtek won't give us the sourcecode for the drivers, its going to be hard to use their products with debian, which attempts to be 100% free software |
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| 06:36.55 | acu_ | stew: I agree 100% with you - I am a bit of a masochist too to stick with Debian as workstation :) It may be illegal to watch a movie - anyhow most are garbage - Zeitgeist is OK to watch and so are those about Venus Project |
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| 06:38.07 | i336 | hi... I'm currently looking around for a fast-booting distro for a 333MHz, 32MB i586 (AMD K6-2(3D)) laptop without an internet connection (it only has a serial port). I don't need a full system, just basic utilities, and maybe xfree86 (because it'd be faster and I don't need acceleration). I won't primarily be using linux on the machine, so it doesn't need to be "full-featured". what do you recommend? |
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| 06:38.42 | ChibaPet | We recommend Debian. |
| 06:38.45 | i336 | haha |
| 06:38.45 | acu_ | debian squeeze i386 |
| 06:38.52 | i336 | that's what someone else suggested |
| 06:38.56 | acu_ | DOS will do it too |
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| 06:39.05 | i336 | yup that's what else I have on there :D |
| 06:39.29 | i336 | while DOS boots in 7 seconds :D :D it... has its limitations. obviously. so linux can fill in for them |
| 06:39.37 | zykotick9 | acu_, are you SURE squeeze even supports i586? |
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| 06:39.43 | acu_ | i336: You may try Windows7 enterprise edition |
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| 06:39.47 | stew | i336: 32mb isn't enough for debian unless perhaps you can do the install on some other machine then move the hard drive back to the smaller machine |
| 06:39.48 | i336 | that may work too |
| 06:39.53 | stew | zykotick9: it does |
| 06:39.57 | i336 | mmm I was thinking that |
| 06:40.02 | i336 | (moving the HD over) |
| 06:40.08 | acu_ | zygotick9: no I am not sure - I am sure Lenny does |
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| 06:40.29 | zykotick9 | stew, ok thanks, just wanted to check for the original poster |
| 06:40.34 | i336 | I am curious though... my modem/router has a USB port on it, could I connect to that using Linux? |
| 06:40.36 | i336 | I just haven't tried |
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| 06:40.51 | i336 | it has 4 ethernet ports, but also a USB port. it's a speedstream 6520 |
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| 06:41.03 | i336 | it'd be AWESOMELY AWESOME if I could access the network over the USB port but... doubtful. :P |
| 06:41.12 | stew | zykotick9: still supports 486 even. we lost support for 386 during etch iirc |
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| 06:41.33 | i336 | but you still call it the "i386" arch. hahaha |
| 06:41.58 | acu_ | i336: allmost all routers have a web interface - look at the back of it they have a set IP address 192.168.0.1 you can access from any computer connected to that router |
| 06:42.02 | guk | the USB port is usually for mounting hdd's |
| 06:42.11 | i336 | huh. |
| 06:42.18 | i336 | doubts that this one can do that very very very much |
| 06:42.22 | guk | in those embedded devices |
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| 06:42.29 | i336 | it's a *cough*ISP router |
| 06:42.31 | i336 | :P |
| 06:42.39 | guk | ooh ... plug something into the USB see what happens |
| 06:42.52 | i336 | runs off and grabs flash drive :P |
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| 06:42.58 | guk | like a little fat32 flash drive |
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| 06:43.20 | epsilon | i336: usualy router usb supports just storage media (stick, hdd) or peripherials such as printers |
| 06:43.22 | acu_ | what is the brand and model of your router i336 |
| 06:43.23 | guk | I know my linksys hosts a little upnp server even with stock |
| 06:43.32 | epsilon | unlikely it support ethernet over USB |
| 06:43.40 | i336 | D: |
| 06:43.50 | i336 | I compleeetely forgot... it's a USB B port D: |
| 06:43.53 | guk | heh the last thing I seen use that kinda support is older cable modems ... and 99% of ISP's don't even enable the port |
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| 06:44.18 | i336 | no, the port worked, I think I used it once... a long time ago |
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| 06:44.49 | i336 | it's just... the router's like 7 meters away, and I don't have enough USB cables to reach it from the computer xD |
| 06:45.00 | i336 | so I haven't really explored it, so I was just wondering. |
| 06:45.15 | yagoo | i336, ask daddy to buy you a long usb cable |
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| 06:45.20 | i336 | haha |
| 06:45.27 | guk | is that a Sigmatel version of the speedstream or is it ISP specific |
| 06:45.28 | i336 | has a few... they're just not long enough |
| 06:45.37 | i336 | I'm not sure |
| 06:45.38 | guk | I know you can hack the crap outa those things by hosting some http pages locally |
| 06:45.40 | i336 | checks underneath...? |
| 06:45.44 | guk | ;) |
| 06:45.48 | i336 | coool |
| 06:45.51 | guk | you need to login to the firmware |
| 06:45.57 | guk | some ISP's brand those speedstream modems |
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| 06:46.01 | i336 | via the internal serial connection right? :( |
| 06:46.16 | guk | Im from canada and I know bell around here does it and ATNT in the states |
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| 06:46.41 | guk | no no ... the speedstream 4200 can be done by hosting some pages locally on your computer then the pages are scripted to talk to the modem ... most of the time ISP's rebrand those things and dumb them done |
| 06:46.42 | i336 | well, it has much mileage then. I'm in AU and telstra were using it when we got internet a couple years ago |
| 06:46.45 | guk | down* |
| 06:46.53 | i336 | ooh ok |
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| 06:47.05 | i336 | this one might be unconfigured/customized |
| 06:47.17 | guk | google it ... a popular forum for that is dslreports |
| 06:47.24 | guk | they have a great support for all kinds of modems |
| 06:47.36 | i336 | I did a while ago, found out it ran Project X, got information overload, and ran away haha |
| 06:47.37 | i336 | lol |
| 06:47.53 | Inglorion | is there anyone here who can help me set up nfs4 with kerberos? i think i almost have it working, but after getting the ticket from the ticket granting server, i get "Wrong principal in request" |
| 06:47.57 | yagoo | guk, AT&T you mean.. ATNT pfff lol |
| 06:48.01 | i336 | and if the default for it is "confusing braindead configuration of 15 nested HTML frames" then it's at the default |
| 06:48.01 | i336 | :P |
| 06:48.39 | yagoo | i336, AU has the worst internet among g20 nations |
| 06:48.48 | i336 | I must admit, I love how you can access /naptcustcfg.htm, or indeed any page, without logging in |
| 06:48.57 | i336 | oh? |
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| 06:49.11 | guk | heh dude my Speedstream 5200 has like 6 different versions ... im talking from bridge only to a fully capable NAT device the only difference is the sub E model of the modem |
| 06:49.32 | yagoo | rather i should of said the previous g8.. |
| 06:49.33 | guk | my version I had to manually add the ARP address from the modem and telnet into it to get linestats |
| 06:49.34 | i336 | hah wow |
| 06:49.42 | i336 | O.o |
| 06:49.47 | i336 | as in, with xsh? |
| 06:49.50 | yagoo | there must be worse internet than australia in g20 |
| 06:49.58 | guk | no no ... you can actually telnet most of those modems |
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| 06:50.07 | yagoo | i336, what kind of bandwidth do you get? 5Gigs/month ? |
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| 06:51.18 | guk | heh im on a 4.7km loop with 4mbit sync on my DSL's |
| 06:51.19 | i336 | actually we just went down from 25GB/mo to 5GB/mo because it was cheaper |
| 06:51.26 | i336 | speedwise: 1% [ ] 7,529,339 1.13M/s eta 11m 12s |
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| 06:51.37 | yagoo | yeah.. that's bad.. |
| 06:51.46 | i336 | I don't really download much atm though |
| 06:51.51 | yagoo | australia needs f serious investment.. |
| 06:51.54 | i336 | that'll change when the fibre goes down though :D |
| 06:52.00 | yagoo | all your neighbors are much better.. |
| 06:52.02 | i336 | lol |
| 06:52.06 | i336 | can has 1gbps? :D |
| 06:52.12 | guk | I don't think it's the lines that are shit .. im sure there is some slick lines going there its the fact of the ISP industry out there |
| 06:52.16 | guk | no one is stopping them from being jerks |
| 06:52.21 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. How can I jsut set everything to use OSS4 in a new Squeeze install? I'm using KDE and I can't install liboss-salsa-asound2 because it conflicts with libasound2 which like everything depends on |
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| 06:52.41 | i336 | guk: yea |
| 06:52.43 | guk | we have the same issue here in canada ... the govt forces the providers to allow TPIA (third party internet Access) to keep them on there toes with competition |
| 06:53.00 | i336 | I guess that helps |
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| 06:53.09 | guk | if it where upto the main providers in canada we'd be in the same place ... because these TPIA people keep selling unlimited packages for cheaper tho the big boys have to compete |
| 06:53.15 | yagoo | i336, i pay 65$cdn (which is about 63-65 american $).. 100gigs, 30mbit |
| 06:53.38 | guk | heh I pay 65 bucks for 20/1 Cable internet ... unlimited ;) |
| 06:53.42 | yagoo | (which is 3megs/sec download) |
| 06:53.48 | guk | I only use my DSL's cause I work for a DSL ISP heh |
| 06:53.50 | stew | Pegasus_RPG: since liboss-salsa-asound2 "Provides: libasound2" then things that depend on libasound2 should be fine with the switch |
| 06:53.51 | epsilon | i336: how much does such 25GB cost? |
| 06:54.00 | stew | Pegasus_RPG: unless the depend on a particualar version of libasound2 |
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| 06:54.06 | i336 | uhh, I think $89.95/mo, not sure |
| 06:54.11 | epsilon | wow |
| 06:54.20 | Pegasus_RPG | stew: ok, then how can I remove libasound2 and install liboss-salsa-asound2 in one shot? |
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| 06:54.23 | i336 | I know... |
| 06:54.45 | TACPILOT | hello I am trying to compile some code but gcc is failing to provide the correct path when executing 'gcc -print-file-name=libc.so.6' any suggestions ? |
| 06:54.46 | i336 | there are other ways around things, eg VoIP, but it's a major change |
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| 06:54.53 | stew | Pegasus_RPG: aptitude install liboss-salsa-asound2 |
| 06:55.18 | TACPILOT | running it here on 2 diff systems returns simply libc.so.6 |
| 06:55.26 | TACPILOT | no complete path |
| 06:55.59 | i336 | gives up |
| 06:56.26 | stew | TACPILOT: what does "readlink -f $(which gcc)" return? |
| 06:56.26 | i336 | I just wanted a simple imageshack uploader... now I'm compiling an entire KDE C++ app... seriously, some of these packages are overkill |
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| 06:56.41 | i336 | yaourt is good, but it can be *too* helpful... |
| 06:56.52 | i336 | (I'm using *ahem**cough**hides* Arch Linux btw) |
| 06:56.54 | i336 | runs away |
| 06:56.57 | Pegasus_RPG | stew: hrm, then it seems many things depend on libasound2 |
| 06:57.09 | Pegasus_RPG | stew: icedove, juk, etc, etc, etc |
| 06:57.17 | stew | judd: depends icedove |
| 06:57.18 | judd | Package icedove in squeeze/i386 -- depends: fontconfig, psmisc, debianutils (>= 1.16), libasound2 (>> 1.0.18), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.29.3), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libcairo2 (>= 1.8.8), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.8.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.24.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.18.0), libjpeg62 (>= 6b1), libnspr4-0d (>= 4.7.0~1.9b1), libnss3-1d (>= 3.12.6), |
| 06:57.20 | judd | libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4), libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.7.3), libstartup-notification0 (>= 0.10), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libx11-6, libxrender1, libxt6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4). |
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| 06:57.54 | TACPILOT | /usr/bin/gcc-4.6 |
| 06:58.03 | stew | Pegasus_RPG: ok, yes, since the dependency there is versioned, then unfortunately liboss-salsa-asound2 can't substitude |
| 06:58.07 | Pegasus_RPG | farq.. I just want my sound card to work, and it doesn't in ALSA but does in OSS4 |
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| 06:58.45 | stew | TACPILOT: dunno, its working forme here, have you checked the bts? |
| 06:58.52 | Pegasus_RPG | but it seems I will have to hack the snot out of my system in order to actually make anything work with OSS4 |
| 06:58.59 | TACPILOT | bts? |
| 06:59.18 | stew | !bts |
| 06:59.18 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 06:59.23 | Pegasus_RPG | ok, so then does anyone know how to get an ATI SB card (Azalia) to work in ALSA on Squeeze? |
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| 06:59.28 | stew | TACPILOT: ^^ you sould be checking this if you are running testing/unstable |
| 06:59.48 | TACPILOT | ahh .. this is stable linux mint LMDE |
| 06:59.48 | stew | Pegasus_RPG: what is the pciid? |
| 06:59.53 | MrFrood | Pegasus_RPG: there is good guide to installing and using oss4 on debian forums |
| 06:59.58 | stew | TACPILOT: oh, wrong channel |
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| 07:00.13 | xwalk | i336, Arch Linux is nothing more than the adopted, rebel sibling of Debian. |
| 07:00.16 | Pegasus_RPG | stew: 1002:4383 |
| 07:00.20 | stew | !mint |
| 07:00.21 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 07:00.22 | stew | TACPILOT: ^^ |
| 07:00.23 | TACPILOT | LMDE is debian based figured was close enough :( |
| 07:00.42 | stew | judd: pciid 1002:4383 |
| 07:00.43 | judd | [1002:4383] is 'SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:4383 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 07:00.51 | TACPILOT | tnx |
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| 07:02.02 | stew | Pegasus_RPG: you could try a backported kernel which would get you a newer alsa, or the out of tree module, i guess |
| 07:02.22 | i336 | lol |
| 07:02.24 | Pegasus_RPG | ah |
| 07:02.27 | stew | Pegasus_RPG: though kmuto claims that the card should work |
| 07:02.43 | i336 | hrm |
| 07:02.59 | i336 | wow, I have no idea |
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| 07:03.27 | i336 | I mean, debian sounds good... I want to be able to install from CD though, and 52 700MB CDs WILL NOT WORK lol |
| 07:03.28 | zykotick9 | Pegasus_RPG, i have that same card, and it work OOTB for me with squeeze |
| 07:03.29 | Pegasus_RPG | actually, I found that OSS4 also solves another weird issue: the pc speaker system beep is the wrong pitch with alsa and is correct in OSS4 |
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| 07:03.38 | i336 | is there like a cutdown version? :P |
| 07:03.52 | Pegasus_RPG | zykotick9: did you find a solution to the low-pitched system beep? |
| 07:03.56 | stew | i336: you only need the first as long as you can get the machine on the internet |
| 07:03.58 | zykotick9 | i336, you probably just want cd1 |
| 07:04.06 | stew | i336: the others are for getting packages to machines which cannot get them from a network |
| 07:04.14 | i336 | precisely my point |
| 07:04.18 | zykotick9 | Pegasus_RPG, i haven't noticed that as an issue actually? |
| 07:04.27 | i336 | it only has a serial port, which is why I started talking about the router |
| 07:04.36 | i336 | and its USB port, since it (amazingly) has one of those |
| 07:04.37 | Pegasus_RPG | i336: there's the 40MB business card network CD image |
| 07:04.57 | Pegasus_RPG | i336: which can be written to USB stick |
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| 07:05.07 | zykotick9 | Pegasus_RPG, for a computer without a network connect, i doubt netinstall is very handy |
| 07:05.09 | stew | the business card cd is silly, and only worth using if for some reason you don't have media that can fit the entire 150mb netinst |
| 07:05.25 | stew | netinstall doesn't need a network to install |
| 07:05.27 | Pegasus_RPG | stew: or a slow internet connection :P |
| 07:05.29 | pumafyre | hm |
| 07:05.37 | stew | businesscard does need a network to install though |
| 07:06.02 | Pegasus_RPG | uses businesscard all the time |
| 07:06.03 | stew | Pegasus_RPG: for a slow internet connection, businesscard is worse |
| 07:06.17 | i336 | hm |
| 07:06.19 | Pegasus_RPG | also has an apt-cacher server running |
| 07:06.39 | stew | Pegasus_RPG: the first thing that the businesscard cd does is download everything that is on the netinst that isn't on the businesscard, so if you have to restart the installer, you get to download all that stuff again anyway |
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| 07:07.19 | Pegasus_RPG | stew: which works well with apt-cacher on the LAN |
| 07:08.14 | Pegasus_RPG | zykotick9: with your audio, did you have to do anything initially to get it to make sound? All I get are the (low-pitched) system beeps despite turning up kmix. aplay doesn't even play anything |
| 07:08.39 | i336 | oh, right, I forgot... its mouse seems to have been fried |
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| 07:09.15 | i336 | the internal mouse = dead, along with the ps2 port... and somehow its "native usb emulation" mode seems to route through the (fried) ps2 hardware too, so... no USB mouse with win 3.1 :< |
| 07:09.17 | caimlas | hi folks, does anyone here use /dev/disk/by-path on Debian? it does not appear to populate for me automagically, and i'm wondering how to get it to work. |
| 07:09.19 | zykotick9 | Pegasus_RPG, i don't think i had to do anything - except turning up the various mixer levels, some where muted/down low (i don't use KDE though) |
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| 07:09.53 | pumafyre | thank you all again for your help earlier: stew, acu_ and zykotick9 |
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| 07:10.16 | i336 | slitaz looks good |
| 07:10.24 | Pegasus_RPG | FWIW, this is what I'm seeing with the low pitched beeps: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux/164209-weird-pc-speaker-behavior-hp-probook-6540b.html |
| 07:10.25 | i336 | I'm trying to find something that isn't... big |
| 07:10.47 | i336 | so it doesn't require 52 CDs :P and packs a sane selection into a single CD |
| 07:10.48 | i336 | basically |
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| 07:11.02 | Pegasus_RPG | MrFrood: can you point me to a link on setting up OSS4? |
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| 07:11.18 | stew | i336: yes, and the packages are ordered on the cds by popularity |
| 07:11.21 | Pegasus_RPG | i336: CD1 then |
| 07:11.29 | stew | i336: you only need to download whatever cds have packages on them you need |
| 07:11.57 | i336 | hrm |
| 07:12.04 | coolforyou | stew , i could not edit the sources.list file using vi editor , even as root |
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| 07:12.30 | i336 | disk management (cfdisk, resize2fs, parted, gparted), gcc + headers + everything, xfree86 = CD1? |
| 07:12.34 | i336 | or maybe CD2? :P |
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| 07:12.51 | stew | coolforyou: why not? |
| 07:12.55 | stew | i336: /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 07:13.04 | stew | i336: and note that we have xorg, not xfree86 |
| 07:13.05 | coolforyou | i don't know stew :( |
| 07:13.14 | stew | coolforyou: do you get an error? |
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| 07:14.00 | i336 | interesting |
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| 07:14.12 | Pegasus_RPG | MrFrood: nvm, I think I found it http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux/164209-weird-pc-speaker-behavior-hp-probook-6540b.html |
| 07:14.16 | Pegasus_RPG | er http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=70166&start=15#p394523 |
| 07:14.33 | coolforyou | no error , but the functions like ":q! and others are not working |
| 07:14.55 | pumafyre | what does deb-src mean in the repos? |
| 07:15.08 | stew | coolforyou: be more specific. what happens when you hit :q! |
| 07:15.21 | zykotick9 | pumafyre, they provide the source packages |
| 07:15.27 | stew | pumafyre: for fetching source code of packages instead of precompiled binary packages |
| 07:15.30 | yagoo | Pegasus_RPG, maybe you're using an x11-bell(pulseaudio) is related to this bell-style for bash.. |
| 07:15.36 | yagoo | (xterm/bash) |
| 07:15.52 | coolforyou | nothing happened stew , just it is entering as string , so i directly closed the terminal windows and the swp file has formed |
| 07:16.14 | coolforyou | i deleted the swp file using rm command |
| 07:16.14 | stew | coolforyou: hit escape before :q1 |
| 07:16.29 | coolforyou | wooow |
| 07:16.35 | coolforyou | amazing |
| 07:16.37 | yagoo | Pegasus_RPG, this is interesting.. i'm looking at "pax11publish" https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio#X11_bell , maybe there's something on debian |
| 07:16.49 | stew | coolforyou: you might run "vimtutor" to learn how to use vim, or use nano which is an easier editor to use |
| 07:17.07 | coolforyou | but i could not paste the content which i wanted to do stew :( |
| 07:17.32 | coolforyou | wooow . how to use nano |
| 07:18.02 | coolforyou | ok let me search in google on how to use nano |
| 07:18.04 | Pegasus_RPG | yagoo: The problem occurs even without X running |
| 07:18.04 | pumafyre | zykotick9: stew thank you |
| 07:18.48 | stew | coolforyou: nano /path/to/file |
| 07:18.59 | coolforyou | ok ok stew |
| 07:19.42 | stew | Pegasus_RPG: can you alter the frequency with setterm? |
| 07:19.59 | stew | (when you aren't in X) |
| 07:20.04 | Pegasus_RPG | stew: I can, but the sound coming out is not what I set. |
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| 07:21.24 | Pegasus_RPG | it's like 2 octaves too low |
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| 07:21.57 | Pegasus_RPG | Must be an ALSA bug since OSS4 doesn't ahve the problem on the same hardware |
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| 07:22.49 | yagoo | Pegasus_RPG, the value for bell is 7 (hex), or decimal 7.. i'm guessing (just guessing here), perhaps if you do export LANG= (which would probably default to ascii), then try a bell |
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| 07:23.45 | yagoo | and try another TERM=(vt100/vt102?) |
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| 07:24.46 | stew | i'd bet some money that coolforyou is doing something to sources.list that he shouldn't |
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| 07:30.38 | yagoo | Pegasus_RPG, i guess you found it huh.. http://www.ibiblio.org/oswg/oswg-nightly/oswg/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/alessandro-rubini/visual-bell/visual-bell-howto.html |
| 07:30.39 | yagoo | :p |
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| 07:31.12 | yagoo | says instead of using \33 in a bash login script, you use e |
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| 07:33.00 | yagoo | thinks someone should make a music score using bash escape sequences .. beep bop baapp bleep bleep.. so nice on every error |
| 07:33.20 | yagoo | ^ my next project!! :) |
| 07:33.57 | yagoo | hey i think a music score should be added to debian's default motd!! yes!! |
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| 07:36.08 | mcfrisk | packaging Q: is there some way to set dependencies Debian/Ubuntu specific in a common .deb package? |
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| 07:37.26 | yagoo | Pegasus_RPG, you can find the freq tone you like with this.. http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/abs-guide.html#MUSICSCR |
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| 07:38.01 | Pegasus_RPG | oh cool, thanks |
| 07:40.38 | somiaj | mcfrisk: what do you mean? |
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| 07:41.04 | chenbing | xterm ,tty ,lynx are terribly fonts-small ,altought my routine tool is Terminal which is fine |
| 07:41.23 | chenbing | I use a laptop with debian+xfce |
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| 07:48.56 | mcfrisk | somiaj: I have a package which build-depends on libqtwebkit-dev on Ubuntu Lucid and later but Debian squeeze has the same things in libqt4-dev |
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| 07:52.59 | somiaj | mcfrisk: Only way I can think of is if they both provided the same virtual package, you could depend on that. But in cases where its on two different distro's you may have to make two seperate pacakges. |
| 07:54.22 | mcfrisk | ok, thanks anyway. I think there may be some other packaging bugs in the package too, hopefully that will fix this. |
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| 07:56.05 | i336 | yagoo: sadly, you can't beep different frequencies... you have to ioctl() the terminal to do that :( |
| 07:56.16 | i336 | 'beep' can do that for you though :D |
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| 07:57.41 | ZekeS | i336: how goes the pentiuming |
| 07:58.34 | somiaj | mcfrisk: oh wait this is a build-depends. You could just use package1 || package2 |
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| 08:02.47 | mcfrisk | somiaj: oh, double pipe ||? |
| 08:03.13 | i336 | ZekeS: oh, about that... I did what I do when I don't know what to do next :P |
| 08:03.14 | somiaj | mcfrisk: might just be single. double checking |
| 08:03.19 | i336 | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1022969#p1022969 |
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| 08:03.35 | i336 | likes that whoever it was gave arch linux a free SSL cert :> |
| 08:03.44 | i336 | thus the https \o/ |
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| 08:04.06 | Pegasus_RPG | OK, I'm back to trying to get the card working under ALSA again. |
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| 08:04.25 | i336 | also... bash ftw. need to insert a UNIX path into a dialog running under WINE? |
| 08:04.26 | i336 | read; echo "\"Z:\\${REPLY////\\}\"" |
| 08:04.27 | i336 | :D |
| 08:04.39 | ZekeS | i336: realistically, your best choice is debian :p |
| 08:04.53 | somiaj | mcfrisk: it means 'or' though I may be using the wrong language. Yea its just a single pip for or in the dependencies (from aptitidue show) |
| 08:05.00 | i336 | wonders if ZekeS read the post, it had some lulz in it |
| 08:05.05 | i336 | along with my requirements =P |
| 08:05.54 | ZekeS | i336: I did |
| 08:05.57 | i336 | oh. ok |
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| 08:06.12 | i336 | is sad @ cutemouse :< |
| 08:06.14 | mcfrisk | I thought I tried it but will try again (using OBS to build the packages so other things may be wrong) |
| 08:06.25 | i336 | kolibrios is all but unusable using its keypad mouse emulation |
| 08:06.47 | Pegasus_RPG | So, starting over, I have a sound card with PCI ID 1002:4383 that gives me no sound under ALSA. aplay -l shows it but I hear nothing when using aplay to play a sound file. alsamixer shows the levels are not all the way down. |
| 08:06.47 | i336 | wonders if he should build a time machine just to get whatever future version has USB mouse support |
| 08:06.48 | i336 | xD |
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| 08:07.13 | i336 | Pegasus_RPG: maybe ask #alsa or ask in an alsa forum...? |
| 08:07.17 | coolforyou | bhi guys |
| 08:07.49 | Pegasus_RPG | good idea, thanks |
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| 08:07.56 | i336 | Pegasus_RPG: I'm thinking if you could perhaps debug the data going to the card somehow you'd see if data was getting to the card |
| 08:08.09 | i336 | Pegasus_RPG: you may also have the wrong driver (although unlikely, I have NO idea) |
| 08:08.28 | coolforyou | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:08.38 | somiaj | mcfrisk: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html |
| 08:09.09 | i336 | Pegasus_RPG: I know what it's like though... I tried to get an ISA SB16 working in a server... it wasn't the end of the world that I didn't (I don't use the machine now), but yea... heh, ISA is fun though |
| 08:09.46 | i336 | Pegasus_RPG: realistically, you might like OSS' alsa emulation mode; have you heard of that? you could perhaps slide that in under everything until/if you get ALSA properly working. |
| 08:10.10 | Pegasus_RPG | That OSS emulation was for OSS3 |
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| 08:10.25 | i336 | oh :/ |
| 08:10.28 | i336 | has no idea |
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| 08:11.59 | mcfrisk | somiaj: thanks have read that again now. Would be nice to know what keywords are available though. |
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| 08:16.00 | somiaj | mcfrisk: the top part just explains the how the bar works as an or statement. Though ubuntu and debian are different, it could just be something you won't be able to satisify with asingle source package. |
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| 08:35.46 | drdetroit | my god- occupy LA is going crazy- police are there- live stream here ! http://www.ustream.tv/occupyoakland |
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| 08:36.45 | yagoo | drdetroit, i need more entertainment.. can you go there and throw a cocktail? |
| 08:36.45 | yagoo | lol |
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| 08:42.18 | ws2k3 | when i try to install ntop i get : Package ntop is not available, but is referred to by another package. what could cause this? |
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| 08:45.12 | mjt | well, ntop isn't in squeeze |
| 08:45.17 | mjt | ,versions ntop |
| 08:45.18 | judd | Package: ntop on i386 -- lenny: 3:3.3-11+b2; squeeze-backports: 3:4.0.3+dfsg1-3~bpo60+1; sid: 3:4.1.0+dfsg1-1; wheezy: 3:4.1.0+dfsg1-1 |
| 08:46.36 | ws2k3 | is it removed in squeeze? |
| 08:46.46 | ws2k3 | it used to be in debian |
| 08:47.02 | mjt | see what judd said |
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| 08:47.37 | ws2k3 | what does backport means |
| 08:47.48 | mjt | !backports |
| 08:47.48 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 08:48.28 | mjt | !tell ws2k3 -about debian-backports |
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| 08:53.09 | ws2k3 | anyone around using bwm-ng? |
| 08:53.14 | i336 | !abi |
| 08:53.14 | dpkg | i guess abi is application binary interface (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_binary_interface). See also <kernel abi>. |
| 08:53.23 | i336 | !kernel abi |
| 08:53.23 | dpkg | Debian kernel packages have an <ABI> to indicate when out-of-tree modules must be rebuilt; upgrading from a package with 2.6.26-1-686 to another 2.6.26-1-686 doesn't require fglrx/nvidia/etc to be rebuilt, but upgrading from 2.6.26-1-686 to 2.6.26-2-686 does. Development kernels intended for <experimental> have the ABI <trunk> to indicate the ABI is unmanaged. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelABIChanges |
| 08:53.46 | ws2k3 | tool to display current traffic? on an interface |
| 08:54.00 | i336 | tcpdump or maybe socklist |
| 08:54.43 | ws2k3 | well i have an question. i use bwm-ng for a long while now on all my server to check currecnt traffic |
| 08:54.47 | i336 | ws2k3: try ss (in iproute2) or socklist (in procinfo-ng) |
| 08:54.54 | ws2k3 | but on only one server it drops to 0 every second |
| 08:54.54 | i336 | ws2k3: (those package names are for arch Linux, do searches) |
| 08:55.18 | ws2k3 | so if traffic would be 500 then it displays 1000, 0,1000,0,1000,0 |
| 08:55.43 | i336 | oh.. *constant* traffic use... watch --interval 0 (ss or socklist) would be it with those :/ |
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| 08:56.47 | mjt | there's also a package named iptraf |
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| 08:57.44 | ws2k3 | well when i set the refresh speed at 1000 ms instead of 500 ms defauly then it dont drops to 0 every second |
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| 08:58.00 | ws2k3 | but that it dropt to every second could that indicate that there is something wrong witht he machine /connection? |
| 08:58.13 | ws2k3 | because like i sad i use bwm-ng for years now but i never hid this kind of havior. |
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| 08:58.44 | mjt | maybe others will have better luck understanding what you're trying to say... ;) |
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| 09:01.08 | ws2k3 | mjt when i change the refresh speed to 1000 ms instead of 500 ms then it dont drop to 0 every second. |
| 09:01.22 | ws2k3 | but i have used bwm-ng for years now and i have neve seen this before |
| 09:01.35 | mjt | what "this" ? |
| 09:01.54 | ws2k3 | i have never seen before that it drop to 0 every second |
| 09:01.55 | mjt | who drops to 0 -- refresh speed? |
| 09:02.00 | ws2k3 | the speed |
| 09:02.02 | ws2k3 | traffic |
| 09:02.05 | ws2k3 | on the interface |
| 09:02.19 | Pegasus_RPG | Does anyone know how I can tell apt-cacher to not auto-delete any packages that are not out of date? |
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| 09:02.48 | mjt | ws2k3: so you're saying that every second your traffic stops right? |
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| 09:03.28 | ws2k3 | yes |
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| 09:03.44 | ws2k3 | well i dont know if it stops but that display it yeah |
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| 09:04.02 | radio23 | Pegasus_RPG: Have you checked in the conf file? |
| 09:04.30 | mjt | 1000ms is 1s. 500ms is 0.5s. But do you expect the traffic to actually go all the time? |
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| 09:04.53 | Pegasus_RPG | radio23: yes, I have it set to only expire packages if they're no longer mentioned in Packages.gz |
| 09:05.04 | radio23 | Hrm.... |
| 09:05.14 | mjt | like, if i'll ping something on an unused interface, the traffic will "drop" to 0 every second, and there will be 2 packets every 2nd second. |
| 09:05.18 | Pegasus_RPG | yet it seems to expire them anyway if I ahven't used them in a week or so |
| 09:05.57 | Pegasus_RPG | e.g. ia32-libs hasn't changed since 2011-10-01 yet it's downloading it again now |
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| 09:06.56 | mjt | i switched from apt-cacher to approx some years ago, but I don't remember the reason. |
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| 09:07.19 | mjt | approx does its cleanup based on the actual presence of things in the archive - it parses Packages and Sources files |
| 09:08.07 | Pegasus_RPG | mjt: that's what apt-cacher is supposed to do too |
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| 09:09.18 | billdollar | could anyone help me understand this thread? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=950083 |
| 09:09.25 | radio23 | Pegasus_RPG: apt-catcher is definitely caching the correct files? |
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| 09:10.22 | radio23 | Sorry to be Captain Obvious, just double checking. |
| 09:10.28 | Pegasus_RPG | radio23: I think so. I had a miss on Nov 7 34233592|ia32-libs_20111001_amd64.deb and another miss today 34233592|ia32-libs_20111001_amd64.deb |
| 09:11.16 | Pegasus_RPG | almost like there's a hidden maximum cache size that when reached, it starts deleting things |
| 09:11.28 | Pegasus_RPG | but there's no mention of that in the conf file |
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| 09:12.05 | radio23 | Pegasus_RPG: Yeah, I'm seriously at a loss there. I'm sorry I couldn't be helpful. |
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| 09:12.45 | Pegasus_RPG | only thing I can see is the clean_cache= parameter but that explicity says it goes through the Packages file and removes things that aren't listed there anymore |
| 09:13.35 | radio23 | Hrm. Sounds like it's reading something incorrectly there. |
| 09:13.54 | radio23 | Meh, I'm sorry, haven't had a lot of experience with apt-catcher. |
| 09:14.10 | radio23 | Hopefully somebody else will know and sort you out soon. |
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| 10:32.15 | nettezzaumana | hello |
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| 10:33.12 | nettezzaumana | i request a little help ... does dhcpcd package in debian contain also dhcpd-test binary ? the best would be if someone just /msg me ``dpkg -L dhcpcd | grep bin/'' |
| 10:33.45 | llutz | nettezzaumana: it doesn't |
| 10:34.41 | nettezzaumana | llutz: so the debian way is ``dhcpcd --test $foo'' ? (or perhaps /sbin/dhcpcd3) |
| 10:36.42 | llutz | nettezzaumana: seems to be |
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| 10:38.31 | mBull | hi, how can add 2 IPv6 address to one interface? |
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| 10:38.49 | mBull | the 2 address are in a complete different subnet |
| 10:39.00 | ksk | just add them, it does not matter :> |
| 10:39.16 | ksk | or, add the 2nd like you added the first one |
| 10:39.31 | Zitter | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/514821/ <-- / is full even if subdirs aren't any suggestion on how to get free space on root? |
| 10:39.37 | mBull | well i did it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:39.39 | ksk | you could use ifconfig/ip or edit /etc/network/interfaces to make changes permanent |
| 10:39.40 | Zitter | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/514823/ my fstab |
| 10:39.43 | nettezzaumana | llutz: sorry, is it finally sbin/dhcpcd binary or sbin/dhcpcd3 ? |
| 10:40.05 | mBull | yes but when I restart the interface I got duplicate interfaces error |
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| 10:40.18 | petemc | nettezzaumana: the isc dhcpd is at /usr/sbin/dhcpd |
| 10:40.35 | nettezzaumana | petemc: great |
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| 10:41.47 | petemc | ive been using it for years, and the only 'test' option im aware of is to try and start it, if theres a problem it generally states where the problem is |
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| 10:42.04 | justin_mclain | gday, my icon launcher wont launch a simple script, that is a notify-send script |
| 10:42.19 | justin_mclain | i have made it executable |
| 10:42.30 | nettezzaumana | petemc: JFYI, i had customer on line (telephone) and i said him to use ``dhcpcd-test $foo'', he replied that's not possible, i was confused but i've found that ubuntu way is ``dhcpcd3 --test $foo'' for same package but it also didn't met a success until i see now that debian way is ``dhcpcd --test $foo'' |
| 10:42.36 | nettezzaumana | nice |
| 10:42.36 | nettezzaumana | thanks to all |
| 10:43.39 | nettezzaumana | # rpm -q dhcpcd |
| 10:43.40 | nettezzaumana | dhcpcd-3.2.3-6.3.i586 |
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| 10:45.16 | nettezzaumana | JFYI ^^ we all have version 3 .. all rpm distros i know bring dhcpcd-test binary and ubuntu has this feature in dhcpcd3, debian in dhcpcd binary ... madness .. and we all have version 3.x |
| 10:46.25 | llutz | nettezzaumana: maintainer is "Simon Kelley <simon@thekelleys.org.uk>" ask him |
| 10:46.32 | petemc | Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Server 4.1.1-P1 |
| 10:46.35 | petemc | is what i use |
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| 10:47.29 | award85 | Is there a text based web browser for Debian that can handle Unicode? links doesn't seem to handle the output correctly |
| 10:47.44 | walle | hi all, good night :-) |
| 10:47.45 | nettezzaumana | petemc: you have unstable or testing i suppose, right ? |
| 10:47.50 | petemc | nope |
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| 10:48.11 | petemc | ,versions isc-dhcp-server |
| 10:48.12 | judd | Package: isc-dhcp-server on i386 -- squeeze: 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze3; wheezy: 4.1.1-P1-17; sid: 4.2.2-1 |
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| 10:48.47 | nettezzaumana | ,versions dhcpcd |
| 10:48.49 | judd | Package: dhcpcd on i386 -- lenny: 1:3.2.3-1.1; squeeze: 1:3.2.3-5; sid: 1:3.2.3-9; wheezy: 1:3.2.3-9 |
| 10:49.37 | nettezzaumana | hmm. i'm talking about this ... seems like the isc-dhcp-server is preffered in debian then |
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| 10:59.22 | boudiccas | walle; did you get the txt file that i sent you and did it work once you'd renamed it to a zip file? |
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| 11:12.12 | Crypticfortune | Ooo. Attempting to do mkfs.xfs on an 18TB drive fails with a segfault on 32 bit kernels >_<;; |
| 11:12.23 | Crypticfortune | it does on mine anyway.... |
| 11:13.13 | Pegasus_RPG | Crypticfortune: 18TB _drive_ or _partition_? |
| 11:13.40 | Crypticfortune | Pegasus_RPG: raw drive |
| 11:14.16 | Pegasus_RPG | ah. I'd check for/file a bug |
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| 11:20.33 | scoobertron | Are drives automatically unmounted on hibernate? I share a 'data' partition between debian and ubuntu and was wondering if it would be fatal to hibernate one and boot into the other. |
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| 11:21.31 | Crypticfortune | Pegasus_RPG: oh, http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ says that 16TB is the effective limit for 32bit kernels. Still, a sensible error rather than a segfault would make more sense...probably deserves a bug.... |
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| 11:24.28 | burhan | is there a company that provides commercial support for debian? |
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| 11:26.12 | babilen | burhan: http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 11:26.49 | burhan | yes I know about that page but I am looking for companies, not people/consultants. |
| 11:28.02 | walle | boudiccas: thanks, all ok :-) |
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| 11:29.50 | Crypticfortune | burhan: just curious, but why if you want to pay for support would you go for Debian over one of the commercial distros? |
| 11:30.57 | querier | HI there :) How to select directories and files belonging to root:root ? I would like to select them and chance to u:g. |
| 11:31.20 | babilen | burhan: Some of those are companies, aren't they? |
| 11:31.55 | Crypticfortune | querier: "find . -uid 0 -gid 0"? |
| 11:32.15 | mBull | Hi, I can't decide between vsFTPD, pureftd and proftdpd ==> i defenitly need logging capabilities and I rather pick the most secure one |
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| 11:32.36 | mBull | over the easier config |
| 11:33.33 | vtts | vsftpd would be a good choice if security is your priority |
| 11:33.45 | babilen | mumbles "/msg dpkg ftp must die" ... guess vsftpd is often used |
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| 11:34.35 | babilen | querier: What are you trying to achieve? |
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| 11:35.53 | querier | babilen: chown -R newuser:newgroup dir/ if sub_dir/file is owned by root:root. I do this as root. |
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| 11:36.56 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 11:36.56 | Crypticfortune | querier: you can add an -exec to the find command i mentioned to do basically that |
| 11:37.05 | ZenWalker | what is the calculator on xfce? |
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| 11:38.41 | monk | xcalc |
| 11:38.48 | querier | Crypticfortune: babilen thank you guys. |
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| 11:40.43 | babilen | !tell querier -about using find |
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| 11:41.02 | babilen | querier: But what are you trying to achieve by that? |
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| 11:46.29 | querier | A certain programm shall be given power aver a directory and there is much ownerships in it, that shall remain. thus only root:root files and subdirs should be changed to prog:prog, because root as access anyways. |
| 11:46.34 | querier | babilen: no good idea? |
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| 11:47.57 | babilen | "a certain program" ? |
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| 11:48.20 | babilen | But well, go ahead if you think it is a good idea |
| 11:48.25 | Without | stew: are u still there? |
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| 11:52.21 | querier | babilen: Im not giving / to icq:icq , if you have thought of that :) |
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| 12:00.39 | JodaZ_ | how do i choose which kernel to boot ? |
| 12:01.03 | nkuttler | JodaZ_: mh.. you select it in the grub prompt? |
| 12:01.24 | JodaZ_ | headless server, i need to change the default entry |
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| 12:01.36 | nkuttler | JodaZ_: then you edit the grub config |
| 12:01.51 | JodaZ_ | GRUB_DEFAULT=? |
| 12:01.53 | JodaZ_ | this ? |
| 12:02.02 | JodaZ_ | so if i want the second kernel, i put a 1 there ? |
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| 12:06.43 | JodaZ_ | seems like it |
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| 12:08.07 | raviks | sdfasdnasdf |
| 12:08.30 | jack_lt | where do I enable/ disable running services (mysql) on debian squeeze |
| 12:08.57 | cemycc | I have a sandy bridge cpu and i want to install debian 6.0.3 . I know that debian 6.0.3 have the last version of linux 2.6 and from what I have seen on internet the sandy bridge cpu is not supported on this linux version |
| 12:09.07 | cemycc | Someone can tell me if this is true ? |
| 12:09.19 | batouzo | jack_lt: wanst there rcconfig program? not sure if it is the best method thou |
| 12:10.14 | jack_lt | batouzo, I had Funambol running on a server, but syncing doesn't work anymore |
| 12:10.18 | ompaul | !tell cemycc about kmuto |
| 12:10.48 | jack_lt | batouzo, Fundamol works via Mysql |
| 12:11.28 | jack_lt | /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 12:11.28 | jack_lt | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld already running. |
| 12:11.30 | jack_lt | hm |
| 12:11.31 | ompaul | cemycc: see the message from the bot - that will give you a .39 kernel which seems to sort out sandy bridge |
| 12:11.51 | batouzo | jack_lt: what are you trying to do? |
| 12:12.38 | jack_lt | batouzo, sync evolution calendar < > server <> n900 via fundamol |
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| 12:18.09 | cemycc | ompaul: Yep, I have read about them. I din't know that .39 kernel supports sandy bridge. Good to know |
| 12:18.43 | batouzo | jack_lt: sorry I do not know this programs. |
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| 12:18.53 | jack_lt | batouzo, np |
| 12:19.06 | jack_lt | anyone knows how to check if funambol is running? |
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| 12:20.14 | batouzo | jack_lt: try ps aux or ps aux | grep funambol |
| 12:20.32 | jack_lt | # ps aux | grep funambol |
| 12:20.32 | jack_lt | root 32529 0.0 0.2 3328 760 pts/0 S+ 14:01 0:00 grep funambol |
| 12:20.56 | batouzo | so you dont have a program with such a name running now |
| 12:21.00 | ompaul | ,versions funambol |
| 12:21.01 | judd | No package named 'funambol' was found in i386. |
| 12:21.19 | jack_lt | ok, not running? |
| 12:21.35 | jack_lt | hmm not sure if it should be running :) |
| 12:21.38 | jack_lt | as a service |
| 12:21.49 | ompaul | jack_lt: I guess you need this http://funambol.com/support/ |
| 12:21.54 | jack_lt | but syncevolution did work, but not anymore |
| 12:22.02 | ompaul | there is a section on community support |
| 12:22.18 | jack_lt | hm k |
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| 12:25.43 | jack_lt | service funambol start |
| 12:25.43 | jack_lt | Please set JAVA_HOME to the path of a valid jre. |
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| 12:26.49 | Kamu | hi all, I am installing the debian package for nginx from the nginx repos, and for some reason it is removing a file after installing, when doing dpkg -L nginx, the file shows in the list, but not on the file system, what's up with this? |
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| 12:28.34 | jack_lt | # which java |
| 12:28.35 | jack_lt | /usr/bin/java |
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| 12:29.33 | walle | boudiccas: thanks :-) |
| 12:29.44 | walle | boudiccas: i have test archlinux |
| 12:30.05 | walle | boudiccas: is it optimize for x86 and x64 system? |
| 12:30.11 | boudiccas | walle; heretic! :) |
| 12:30.32 | boudiccas | walle; no idea, this is a debian channel :) |
| 12:30.54 | walle | boudiccas: i only want to try ;) |
| 12:30.56 | jack_lt | update-alternatives --config java |
| 12:30.57 | jack_lt | There is only one alternative in link group java: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/bin/java |
| 12:31.08 | jack_lt | how do I set the JAVA_HOME? |
| 12:31.10 | walle | boudiccas: i love debian too |
| 12:31.18 | walle | boudiccas: more than you may be :P |
| 12:31.24 | boudiccas | walle; you can get support for it from #archlinux |
| 12:31.40 | ondrejk | hi, is possible to add google-chrome into list of web browsers in gnome-control-center? i'm running debian sid with gnome3 |
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| 12:32.06 | walle | boudiccas: yh, i may use debian for my server |
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| 12:32.29 | boudiccas | walle; i notice you say /may/ :)))) |
| 12:32.34 | walle | boudiccas: so, i stay here for learning :) |
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| 12:32.38 | damasceno | Anyone already used this device on Ubuntu: intelbras wbn 240 (It's a wireless adapter)? |
| 12:32.39 | Rafeiro | hi :) |
| 12:32.47 | damasceno | Ubuntu or Debian.; |
| 12:32.59 | Rafeiro | i need some help installing my wireless adapter... :) |
| 12:33.08 | walle | boudiccas: no !!! debian is great universal system |
| 12:33.14 | damasceno | Rafeiro, me too! |
| 12:33.14 | Kamu | is there a way to view a packages install script? |
| 12:33.16 | Rafeiro | i think i need to install the firmware, since i had that during the installation and i had to connect with with ethernet |
| 12:33.17 | damasceno | :/ |
| 12:33.20 | Rafeiro | lol |
| 12:33.23 | Rafeiro | it's not hard i think |
| 12:33.25 | walle | boudiccas: so, it's great, that it is |
| 12:33.29 | Rafeiro | i did it once but i cant remember how |
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| 12:33.52 | boudiccas | Rafeiro; and you documented it in your blog didnt you? :) |
| 12:33.54 | walle | jack_lt: may be you need to edit environment file |
| 12:33.59 | damasceno | Anyone know how can I install and use the intelbras wbn 240 wireless adapter (USB) |
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| 12:34.01 | damasceno | ? |
| 12:34.03 | walle | jack_lt: or, in you .bashrc |
| 12:34.19 | Rafeiro | I haven't because I don't have a blog :) |
| 12:34.35 | Rafeiro | even though i'm considering it |
| 12:34.35 | Rafeiro | lol |
| 12:34.52 | walle | ondrejk: which version debian you use? |
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| 12:35.06 | boudiccas | Rafeiro; have a look at nanoblogger, its good and can easily be installed from the repos |
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| 12:35.19 | sivang | so, puppet went enterprise and got a lot of investment, nice |
| 12:35.25 | Rafeiro | thank you, i will :) |
| 12:35.27 | sivang | pupper was not originally a debian thing right? |
| 12:35.32 | Rafeiro | i already installed the intel firmware via synaptic |
| 12:36.15 | ondrejk | walle: sid, i already found a solution |
| 12:36.24 | ondrejk | it's http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=92197 if anybody cares |
| 12:36.58 | walle | ondrejk: wc |
| 12:37.02 | ondrejk | walle: but thanks for response :) |
| 12:37.15 | walle | ondrejk: np, wc :-) |
| 12:37.24 | ondrejk | wc? what does it mean? |
| 12:37.26 | Rafeiro | once i install the firmware via synaptic.. what do i have to do ? |
| 12:37.36 | jack_lt | nano /etc/rc.d/init.d/funambol |
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| 12:37.48 | jack_lt | is this the debian way/ location? ^ |
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| 12:39.27 | cthuluh | jack_lt: /etc/init.d rather, no? |
| 12:39.59 | walle | s |
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| 12:43.02 | damasceno | Anyone know how can I install and use the intelbras wbn 240 wireless adapter (USB)? |
| 12:43.31 | jack_lt | hmm it seems to work again |
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| 12:43.53 | jack_lt | the problem is probably that Funambol isn't started automatically when the server reboots |
| 12:43.56 | jack_lt | hmm |
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| 12:44.16 | Rafeiro | that was easy! |
| 12:44.16 | Rafeiro | lol |
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| 12:46.00 | Kamu | can anyone tell me how I can find out why dpkg is removing files after configuration? |
| 12:46.05 | Rafeiro | is there any way to update to gnome 3 ? |
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| 12:46.44 | jack_lt | this is how I start it: |
| 12:46.46 | jack_lt | /opt/Funambol/bin/funambol start |
| 12:47.10 | jack_lt | how do I make sure that it starts automatically after (re)boot |
| 12:47.11 | batouzo | jack_lt: add a script to init.d to start it then. |
| 12:47.12 | jack_lt | ? |
| 12:47.18 | jack_lt | hm |
| 12:47.21 | batouzo | jack_lt: google debian init.d autostart |
| 12:47.24 | babilen | !tell jack_lt -about init script |
| 12:47.25 | batouzo | !autostart |
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| 12:48.08 | ChesterX | hey guys, I would like to know what i have to install/configure so i can type simplified chinese. Thank you in advance |
| 12:49.02 | babilen | ChesterX: I would recommend ibus-pinyin, scim is an alternative |
| 12:49.32 | babilen | ChesterX: Or rather: I recommend ibus and you can use whatever input method you prefer |
| 12:50.12 | ChesterX | babilen, hahaha thank you for the tip |
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| 12:58.07 | jack_lt | there is already a init script http://fpaste.org/YtCV/ |
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| 12:59.26 | jack_lt | hmm but the service doesn't autostart |
| 13:01.29 | jack_lt | /opt/Funambol/bin/funambol start |
| 13:01.37 | jack_lt | ^ is not in that script, hm |
| 13:03.08 | jack_lt | can someone help me to add it the right way? |
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| 13:05.00 | jack_lt | maybe it doesn't start because of problems with java home |
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| 13:23.18 | wallee | hi |
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| 13:23.42 | wallee | boudiccas: i have regist my name as wallee |
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| 13:26.50 | mrstocks | hey, im having some problem with my box, in my network all the box are fine but this one fails so often to resolv domain names |
| 13:27.23 | mrstocks | if i can refresh or rule the command again after a while it works |
| 13:27.37 | mrstocks | rule/run |
| 13:27.38 | abrotman | check your /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 13:28.30 | mrstocks | abrotman there isn't much in there, # Generated by NetworkManager domain home search home nameserver 192.168.1.1 that my router |
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| 13:28.48 | wallee | test message |
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| 13:28.54 | abrotman | mrstocks: and the rest of your systems match that ? |
| 13:29.08 | stew | mrstocks: and is it currently working or currently failing? |
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| 13:29.50 | mrstocks | stew, abrotman the others dont search for the domain/search or they search other thing |
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| 13:30.00 | mrstocks | stew let me passed on github |
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| 13:30.44 | mrstocks | thats an example https://gist.github.com/1409061 |
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| 13:31.16 | mrstocks | happens on the browser ever 5 times i fell like it |
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| 13:31.57 | wallee | what is #debian-overflow channel? |
| 13:32.24 | wallee | any one know? |
| 13:32.36 | mrstocks | my router is a dhpc thing should it give me the adress of the nameservers? |
| 13:32.38 | stew | wallee: a place you are sent when people are joining this channel too quickly |
| 13:32.40 | abrotman | wallee: where you go when you cannot join here .. not a big deal |
| 13:33.04 | mrstocks | and not acks as a nameserver |
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| 13:33.51 | mrstocks | i will test some other nameservers |
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| 13:34.16 | wallee | stew abrotman : fine. i just see '#debian-overflow' on my weechat state bar when joining debian |
| 13:34.49 | wallee | mrstocks: nameservers? are you mean DNS? |
| 13:35.06 | mrstocks | yes i think |
| 13:35.28 | abrotman | wallee: yes .. because if people join too quickly, they're sent to -overflow .. see the freenode website for more info |
| 13:35.29 | wallee | mrstocks: you should set dns server addr may be |
| 13:35.48 | wallee | abrotman: tks ;) i know... |
| 13:36.12 | mrstocks | i suppose my router get the nameserver adress from my isp, my pc ask to connect to the internet get the ip and the nameservers adress no? |
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| 13:36.50 | abrotman | mrstocks: many little routers kind of proxy/cache requests from the clients .. you can try setting your machine to other DNS like your ISP or other open DNS |
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| 13:37.16 | mrstocks | i will try google dns |
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| 13:53.05 | kpal | Hi! Is there an easy way to "compute" the minimal set of packages needed to reproduce the system? So that no dependencies are explicitly listed. |
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| 13:54.32 | nkuttler | any obvious ideas why my freshly installed squeeze inside testing's virtualbox won't boot? |
| 13:54.51 | nkuttler | no grub, no error, nothing |
| 13:54.53 | abrotman | !tell kpal about aptitude clone |
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| 13:56.47 | kpal | abrotman: no such option in my aptitude (0.6.3) |
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| 13:57.17 | abrotman | kpal: see what the bot told you |
| 13:58.44 | kpal | abrotman: thanks! |
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| 14:08.32 | wart___ | hi folks. can anyone remind me what consolekit is used for? i dont have it on my other systems and i'd like to remove it if i can |
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| 14:09.12 | wart___ | i don't use a DE so i think i coud remove it |
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| 14:10.48 | abrotman | wart___: aptitude why consolekit |
| 14:11.12 | wart___ | cool |
| 14:11.19 | wart___ | so its udisks and i don't need that |
| 14:11.20 | stew | wart___: and "aptitude show consolekit" for a description of what it is |
| 14:11.28 | wart___ | thanks |
| 14:12.00 | wart___ | also is there a way to "purge" all packages that have been deleted? i just discovered purge the other day so i'd like to just clear out all that cruff and etc files of those deleted fies |
| 14:12.16 | stew | wart___: aptitude purge '~c' |
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| 14:12.49 | querier | ey there: prog_user ALL = NOPASSWD: file1, file2, ... makes prog_user a root when executing this files right? as prog_user@terminal this does not seem true and I dont know why. |
| 14:13.43 | wart___ | thanks |
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| 14:14.17 | stew | querier: it gives the ability to prog_user to run "sudo file1" or "sudo file2" which has the effect of running file1 or file2 as the root user |
| 14:14.25 | exaboy | hi its me again, i was in yesterday asking about backup solutions for servers (VPS) i had some mentioned to me but lost the list. can anyone suggest a backup solution that would take essentially a copy of the "system" preferably outputted as a single file that can then be pushed out to "Rackspace files" |
| 14:14.27 | wart___ | now i just need to figure out how to get rid of all the dbus stuff :-) |
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| 14:16.13 | wart___ | ah shoot chromium-browser depends on gconf2 which depends on dbus |
| 14:16.22 | querier | stew: thanks. |
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| 14:16.35 | wart___ | that's silly because i can compile a local copy of chromium that doesn't so depend |
| 14:16.39 | Justin | exaboy: backup the data not the whole system. use configuration management for the rest of the OS |
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| 14:18.22 | exaboy | Justin: that sounds exactly like the solution im looking for. What would you recommend for the configuration backups? |
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| 14:19.05 | Justin | exaboy: I don't backup configurations, I deploy them using puppet |
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| 14:24.59 | woshty | Is there a xmodmap file in the users homedir that gets passed to xmodmap upon login? |
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| 14:27.03 | stew | woshty: i don't know about whatever session manager you might be running, but in general, no, you have to set something up yourself |
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| 14:29.21 | woshty | stew: hmm, ok .. thx |
| 14:33.03 | woshty | stew: does ~/.xsessionrc have to be executable? |
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| 14:34.51 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 14:35.04 | Posterdati | is there anyone owning a Photosmart C6280?? |
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| 14:35.35 | stew | woshty: ITYM .xsession and no |
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| 14:51.27 | woshty | stew: hmm, making a file .xsession just seems to cycle my display manager upon login. .xsessionrc seems to work. |
| 14:52.23 | stew | woshty: probably because .xsession has errors or terminates quickly and .xsessionrc is being ignored so it doesn't have any effect |
| 14:52.33 | stew | woshty: what are the contents of the file? |
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| 15:35.23 | confusid | Hello, Was wondering what the differance is between debian and debian-fbsd-kern other then the kern. Different licences's? |
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| 15:39.23 | dubby | hey anyone I cannot add things to gnome-panel |
| 15:39.42 | dubby | when I right click on gnome-panel on an empty space, it does nothing |
| 15:39.55 | dubby | it used to say add to panel |
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| 15:42.24 | lmctl|s | dubby: if you are using gnome3 then you could try alt-rightclicking |
| 15:44.08 | woshty | stew: .xsessionrc seems to be "executed". i do run xmodmap ~/.xmodmaprc .. and now xfwm & as well (to take care of xfce session handling mishaps |
| 15:44.24 | lmctl|s | confusid: these systems have slightly different userspace components - i.e. there is no udev for freebsd, thus no udev in debian's kfreebsd-arch |
| 15:45.12 | confusid | lmctl|s: same package's can be used on kfree and deb? |
| 15:45.20 | stew | confusid: also, since they have different libc, practically everything has to be recompiled for the kfreebsd arches |
| 15:45.31 | confusid | ty |
| 15:45.37 | stew | confusid: only for Arch:all packages, not for Arch:any |
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| 15:46.50 | confusid | is there a faq on the kfree? googling isn't show me much. |
| 15:47.18 | stew | woshty: i expect that your .xsession was being executed, but when .xsession completes, your X session is terminated. you would typically have the last thing done by .xsession be to "exec" some other process (like a DE or WM process) |
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| 15:48.15 | stew | confusid: try here: http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD perhaps, or just keep asking here |
| 15:48.23 | woshty | stew: ah, ok .. thank you |
| 15:48.46 | confusid | Don't want to pester too much here with questions. I've been away from linux for a bit using obsd as my desktop. Need to get cought back up on how things work. |
| 15:48.49 | confusid | ty! |
| 15:49.27 | stew | the only purpose for this channel is for people to ask questions |
| 15:50.08 | confusid | I do wish all thought the same :) |
| 15:50.58 | jhutchins_lt | confusid: You can learn a lot by lurking here and watching what others ask. |
| 15:51.12 | dubby | lmctl|s : your a genius, thank you |
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| 15:51.50 | msshams | how can i find that port 1723 is open on my server and i can connect to this port from external computers? |
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| 15:52.28 | jhutchins_lt | msshams: Are you running a server that listens on that port? |
| 15:52.38 | msshams | yes |
| 15:52.39 | petemc | msshams: run a pptp server and use a pptp client |
| 15:52.55 | msshams | petemc: but i can't connect now |
| 15:54.03 | stew | msshams: run "netstat -lnt | grep :1723" on the server and see if you get a result. that will tell you if something is listening to that port |
| 15:54.43 | msshams | stew: i found this |
| 15:54.44 | msshams | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:1723 0.0.0.0:* LISTE |
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| 15:54.49 | msshams | is it open now? |
| 15:55.16 | stew | msshams: yes. so now, from a remote machine, run "telnet 1.2.3.4 1723" where 1.2.3.4 is the public ip address of your server, and tell us what happens |
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| 15:55.43 | Justin | why would anyone use pptp? |
| 15:56.34 | msshams | stew: bellow lines happened: |
| 15:56.35 | msshams | Trying 77.235.59.151... |
| 15:56.35 | msshams | Connected to kindfather.com. |
| 15:56.35 | msshams | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 15:56.35 | msshams | Connection closed by foreign host. |
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| 15:57.58 | stew | msshams: that means you are able to connect to this remotely as well (so there are no firewall problems). |
| 15:58.14 | exaboy | lol |
| 15:58.15 | msshams | stew: great, thank you buddy |
| 15:58.16 | stew | msshams: (hitting control+] then typing quit will terminate telnet) |
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| 16:01.01 | grimeton | hi |
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| 16:02.24 | grimeton | i'm just playing around with my windowmanager and did a xprop -id `xdotool getactivewindow` where the activewindow was iceweasel and the returned icons in _NET_WM_ICON look alot like the firefox icons and not the iceweasel ones |
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| 16:05.11 | confusid | That link answerd my question on the differance. ty! It is another way to have opensource with variety :) |
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| 16:17.41 | gribouille | hi |
| 16:17.56 | gribouille | what is the ~/.cache dir for? |
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| 16:21.13 | babilen | gribouille: http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html |
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| 16:22.35 | gribouille | babilen, ok, thanks |
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| 16:23.32 | babilen | gribouille: Unsuprisingly it is used as a cache by various applications :) |
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| 16:24.07 | e_ | hm, can i somehow see what packages depend on a certain packages? |
| 16:24.18 | e_ | either on the website or with aptitude or whatever |
| 16:24.39 | stew | e_: aptitude search '~Dpackage' |
| 16:24.47 | e_ | aha! thanks |
| 16:26.08 | gribouille | babilen, I knew that, but I didn't know where it was specified |
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| 16:26.22 | babilen | gribouille: Now you know :) |
| 16:26.34 | gribouille | babilen, do you know where the .local directory is specified? |
| 16:26.42 | babilen | gribouille: Same document |
| 16:27.16 | gribouille | babilen, the document mentions only .local/share |
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| 16:27.35 | gribouille | that's why I thought it was specified elsewhere |
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| 16:38.13 | xixor | yo, is there a better way to add new users than useradd <username>, then mkdir /home/username, etc? Something semiautomated where it asks you the Real name, phone number, etc? |
| 16:38.23 | xixor | and copies a skeleton .bashrc file |
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| 16:39.11 | jhutchins_lt | xixor: adduser |
| 16:39.58 | confusid | where can I find the ipw2200-bss.fw file? |
| 16:40.17 | jhutchins_lt | !firmware |
| 16:40.17 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
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| 16:40.51 | confusid | ty |
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| 16:41.04 | confusid | search ipw |
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| 16:44.23 | gribouille | does anyone know what program uses the directory .fontconfig/ ? |
| 16:44.34 | abrotman | apt-cache search font config ? |
| 16:45.36 | gribouille | abrotman, I'm not sure it will give me the answer |
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| 16:46.16 | abrotman | won't know til you look |
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| 16:47.09 | breardo | hello... |
| 16:47.23 | breardo | is it possible to use debootstrap to install a "full" install of Debian? |
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| 16:47.29 | petemc | breardo: yes |
| 16:47.32 | abrotman | as opposed to ? |
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| 16:47.42 | breardo | as a opposed to a base install, which is the default? |
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| 16:47.57 | breardo | i'm looking to use debootstrap to install squeeze w/ xorg&gnome.. |
| 16:48.01 | petemc | oh |
| 16:48.16 | lmctl|s | gribouille: it's not program that uses it but libfontconfig |
| 16:48.33 | Rafeiro | im looking for a way to update my debian to gnome3 ... any1 ? |
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| 16:49.09 | gribouille | lmctl|s, you mean this : http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/fontconfig? |
| 16:50.09 | lmctl|s | gribouille: yep |
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| 16:50.20 | lmctl|s | goes away |
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| 16:51.00 | gribouille | lmctl|s, http://www.freedesktop.org/software/fontconfig/fontconfig-user.html doesn't mention the directory |
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| 16:51.39 | Rafeiro | can someone tell me the mirros of the testing version ? |
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| 16:52.21 | stew | Rafeiro: cd mirrors or package mirrors? |
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| 16:53.42 | Rafeiro | package, well, i have the stable version of debian "squeezy" but i guess the only way of updating gnome is using the testing ? |
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| 16:54.44 | Sevet | squeezy? :) |
| 16:54.54 | Sevet | not squeeze or wheezy? |
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| 16:55.04 | stew | Rafeiro: the mirror you are using for sqeueze should also have wheezy. make sure you know what you are getting into before upgrading to testing. and note that there is no easy way to revert back to squeeze short of a reinstall after you upgrade |
| 16:55.30 | Rafeiro | i know, but no worries, its a fresh install system and everything is backed up elsewhere :) |
| 16:55.50 | Rafeiro | it has, but what change do i have to do on sources to use testing? |
| 16:56.01 | stew | Rafeiro: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 16:56.07 | exaboy | stew what do you use to backup your server? |
| 16:56.11 | stew | Rafeiro: you might do an upgrade before you do the dist-upgrade |
| 16:56.14 | exaboy | data & config? |
| 16:56.15 | stew | exaboy: backuppc |
| 16:56.17 | jhutchins_lt | Rafeiro: wheezy is not just a newer version of squeeze, it is the testing system, used to find where and how new packages break things. |
| 16:56.26 | jhutchins_lt | Rafeiro: Do not expect it to be a working system all of the time. |
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| 16:57.36 | Rafeiro | sure, tell me how jhujhiti |
| 16:57.50 | Rafeiro | erm.. jhutchins_lt |
| 16:57.52 | Rafeiro | lol |
| 16:58.08 | Rafeiro | stew, how do u do an upgrade without dist-upgrade? |
| 16:58.15 | Rafeiro | because i have no other updates left to be installed |
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| 16:58.34 | exaboy | do i really want backuppc to reconfigure my apache2 |
| 16:58.45 | jhutchins_lt | Rafeiro: It's really better to learn how the debian packaging system works on stable before you start messing with testing, where you're going to have to deal with problems caused by new packages. |
| 16:58.47 | Rafeiro | stew, i didint get any query with the info |
| 16:59.22 | jhutchins_lt | Rafeiro: These kinds of questions strongly suggest that you stick with stable for now until you know Debian better. |
| 16:59.26 | wart___ | hi folks. i'm very uninterested in having consolekit, policykit, and, for that matter, dbus on my system. however, even the simplest programs like gnash, require me to install these. is there a way to avoid this? |
| 16:59.33 | bdheeman | Rafeiro: sed 's/stable/testing/' /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:59.40 | wart___ | i know that on my gentoo boxx i can get gnas chromium and many others going without the dependency |
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| 17:01.32 | stew | bdheeman: one would certainly hope he doesn't have "stable" listed in sources.list, and why wouldn't he use "wheezy" instead of "testing"? |
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| 17:02.37 | bdheeman | stew: just because 'testing' will remain 'testing' forever or for years to come |
| 17:02.42 | burhan | is there a "commercial" version of debian? A requirement at work is that any operating system deployed in production should be supported commercially; so trying to figure out how to get debian approved, in place of RH or SuSE |
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| 17:03.23 | Rafeiro | i see your point |
| 17:03.29 | Rafeiro | i understand the risks |
| 17:03.36 | Rafeiro | thing is, i want to use a more recent version of gnome |
| 17:03.51 | Rafeiro | im not sticking around with a old version of gnome even though its stable |
| 17:03.59 | jordanm | burhan: http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 17:04.00 | Rafeiro | i want to run risks, if thats what u want to ear |
| 17:04.01 | Rafeiro | lol |
| 17:04.05 | stew | burhan: no, you could hire a consultant: http://www.debian.org/consultants/ ; or use a derivative like ubuntu |
| 17:04.07 | jordanm | burhan: that is the closest you will find to paid debian support |
| 17:04.13 | acu | burhan: there is a distinction between "supported commercially" and comercial version - supported commercially ? I think even HP offers that - there are also a ton of consultants at the debian website |
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| 17:04.22 | bdheeman | Rafeiro: see http://pastebin.com/Q30AkKJf |
| 17:05.01 | stew | bdheeman: please understand that you should NOT use stable in sources.list |
| 17:05.29 | Rafeiro | thank yopu |
| 17:06.14 | burhan | what they mean by supported commercially is that there should be a company that can be called upon to support the system in the long term; in case of redhat they have the subscription model, but I prefer debian. So I guess Ubuntu is my choice if I want something commercially supported :/ |
| 17:06.33 | bdheeman | Rafeiro: you need to understand the difference between 'stable' and 'squeeze', 'testing' and 'wheezy' |
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| 17:07.16 | burhan | the other problem is where I live there are no consultants (from the debian website's link) |
| 17:07.17 | bdheeman | stew: I understand and know the implications; I had been using 'testing' since long |
| 17:07.24 | jordanm | burhan: what reason do you have for getting rid of RHEL? most of us in here prefer debian, but I wouldn't see a point in throwing out a working system for the heck of it |
| 17:07.41 | acu | burhan: you can choose one of 144 consultants and arrange a long term contract |
| 17:08.08 | acu | burhan: where do you live ? |
| 17:08.47 | burhan | Kuwait |
| 17:09.17 | burhan | jordanm: there is nothing in place right now, but since I've been doing all development on debian, its just easier to move the machines to production. |
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| 17:09.47 | acu | burhan: Hellu kitir :) - if the contract is serious people will move there - also there is ton of things can be done remotely |
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| 17:10.14 | burhan | yes I was hoping for something like "ah go here" (kind of like postgres vs. enterprisedb) |
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| 17:11.12 | burhan | I also really don't like the redhat packaging system :/ |
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| 17:11.19 | burhan | acu: not Turkish :) |
| 17:11.25 | gribouille | does anyone know where the ~/.icons directory is specified? |
| 17:11.26 | acu | burnhan: what industry your company is in (e.g. healthcare) |
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| 17:11.33 | burhan | acu: banking |
| 17:11.46 | xixor | Hi everyone, a quick question: is there a way to force ssh not to try to use the identiy key ~/.ssh/id_dsa , but force it to use the password? |
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| 17:12.13 | furgar | wow this is a big channel |
| 17:12.28 | bdheeman | gribouille: hopefully $HOME/.local/share/icons |
| 17:13.06 | burhan | xixor: you could comment out the key (but I'm sure there is a better way) |
| 17:13.37 | gribouille | bdheeman, there is an .icons directory in my ~ |
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| 17:14.03 | stew | xixor: ssh -o 'PreferredAuthentications=password' user@remotehost |
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| 17:14.17 | xixor | stew: thanks, I couldn't seem to find that in the man page |
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| 17:14.31 | bdheeman | gribouille: some broken or non-standard package might have created it |
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| 17:14.55 | stew | xixor: i'm not positive that won't still fall back on the key if password fails, if it does you can also set PubkeyAuthentication=no |
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| 17:15.49 | xingu | burhan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progeny_Linux_Systems :) |
| 17:16.34 | stew | yeah, right :) |
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| 17:17.18 | xingu | stew: point being he couldn't make a go of it either ;) |
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| 17:24.27 | ShinyDarkness | Hello. I would like to configure vino to connect over SSL, but do not know how. |
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| 17:25.26 | ShinyDarkness | Some guides I found on the Internet say I should go to Remote Desktop Preferences > Advanced tab. But I found no such Advanced tab. |
| 17:25.37 | ShinyDarkness | Here is a screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/18sTY.png |
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| 17:26.56 | tharkun | ShinyDarkness: I really do not know anything about vino, but i've had excelent results with TightVnc specially on low bandwith connections |
| 17:27.37 | ShinyDarkness | I would use tightvnc as well, but I do not know how to configure it to start the VNC server from boot. |
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| 17:28.15 | tharkun | ShinyDarkness: you do not start a VNC server from boot. You fire it up when you connect to it. Part of the beauty of it |
| 17:28.45 | ShinyDarkness | tharkun: So all I have to do is install tightvnc? |
| 17:29.08 | tharkun | ShinyDarkness: yes |
| 17:29.26 | ShinyDarkness | Does it use SSH by default or do I have to configure something else? |
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| 17:30.04 | tharkun | ShinyDarkness: no, it does not use ssh by default, you have to tunnel your vnc session through ssh |
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| 17:32.05 | ShinyDarkness | tharkun: How does that work, exactly? Does the client have initiate the SSH session? |
| 17:32.16 | tharkun | ShinyDarkness: if you go the ssh way take a look at "special purpose ssh keys" on your favourite search engine |
| 17:33.06 | ShinyDarkness | tharkun: Okay. |
| 17:33.10 | tharkun | ShinyDarkness: The client fires up an ssh tunnel to your server where it starts the vnc server then you connect your client to the local port you used on your tunnel and bingo |
| 17:33.52 | tharkun | ShinyDarkness: you will end up with a line simmilar to this "vncserver -kill :1; vncserver -geometry 1200x700 :1 1>/dev/null 2>&1 && echo -e \"To quit press q\" |
| 17:34.35 | tharkun | ; answer=\"\"; while [[ $answer != \"q\" ]]; do read answer; done; vncserver -kill :1" |
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| 17:35.20 | ShinyDarkness | tharkun: My client is OS X's Screen Sharing. I do not know how it works, but, apparently, it first attempts to tunnel the VNC session over SSH, because it gives me a warning that my VNC server does not support an encrypted session. |
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| 17:35.55 | tharkun | ShinyDarkness: I used chicken of the vnc I do not know more about your client. Sorry |
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| 17:36.21 | ShinyDarkness | tharkun: No worries, thanks anyway. |
| 17:37.17 | tharkun | yw |
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| 17:46.49 | kleanchap | I want to use Mutt/Fetchmail to get mail but would like to put them in separate folder for different mailing lists. How can I do that? Will fetchmail do that automatically? |
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| 17:49.32 | jhutchins_lt | kleanchap: I haven't really looked at it in several years, but you might need procmail to sort the mail retrieved by fetchmail. |
| 17:50.03 | CissWit | kleanchap: what I do, dunno if it's the good way to go, but i use fetchmail that feed a local postfix. Then, postfix delivers the mail to procmail that filters the mails using procmailrc |
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| 17:50.48 | JodaZ_ | what do i need to isntall to mount a nfs drive ? |
| 17:51.52 | jhutchins_lt | JodaZ_: nfs-client is a virtual package that should install all the necessary parts. |
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| 17:52.22 | JodaZ_ | why doesn't that package show for apt-cache search nfs client |
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| 17:53.13 | jhutchins_lt | JodaZ_: I dunno, I found it with aptitude search nfs |
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| 17:53.35 | jhutchins_lt | JodaZ_: apt-cache may not take consecutive words as combined search terms. |
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| 17:53.42 | JodaZ_ | apt-cache search nfs|grep nfs-client |
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| 17:53.43 | JodaZ_ | nada |
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| 17:56.01 | stew | judd: versions nfs-client |
| 17:56.02 | judd | No package named 'nfs-client' was found in i386. |
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| 17:56.17 | stew | JodaZ_: you want nfs-common |
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| 17:57.08 | JodaZ_ | but it installs |
| 17:57.08 | jhutchins_lt | Is there a wy to get a list of which versions of a package (ie which kernel versions) were actually relesed in a debian release? |
| 17:57.12 | JodaZ_ | so the package is there |
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| 17:57.58 | jhutchins_lt | # aptitude search nfs-client |
| 17:57.59 | jhutchins_lt | v nfs-client |
| 17:58.24 | jhutchins_lt | JodaZ_: It's a virtual package, not a real package, that may be why the other tools miss it. |
| 17:58.51 | stew | aptitude search '~Pnfs-client' -> nfs-common ... |
| 17:58.52 | JodaZ_ | hmm |
| 17:58.54 | JodaZ_ | o well |
| 17:59.55 | JodaZ_ | neways, on this new server, two consecutive "ntpdate pool.ntp.org" give me a offset of 0.25, why does my time stay wrong ? |
| 18:00.36 | stew | JodaZ_: don't use ntpdate, just install the ntp package which will run the ntpd which will keep your time in sync continuously |
| 18:00.46 | JodaZ_ | on my older servers (lenny) the second always came back almost right away with a offset of 0.00x |
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| 18:00.57 | JodaZ_ | stew, i don't want to run a ntpd |
| 18:01.08 | stew | JodaZ_: why not? |
| 18:01.41 | JodaZ_ | because i don't like services running i don't actually need |
| 18:01.55 | stew | you don't need your clock to be correct/ |
| 18:02.00 | JodaZ_ | but why would ntpdate misbehave like that ? |
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| 18:02.15 | stew | ntpdate is unmaintained, its authors do not want you to use it anymore |
| 18:02.18 | stew | !ntpdate |
| 18:02.18 | dpkg | ntpdate is an obsolete and unmaintained program to set a system clock via <NTP>. Just install the ntp package instead. Since Lenny, ntp's default configuration files (NTPD_OPTS='-g' in /etc/default/ntp, 'iburst' option for default servers in /etc/ntp.conf) make ntpdate unnecessary. See also <why not ntpdate>. |
| 18:02.21 | JodaZ_ | ok |
| 18:02.50 | JodaZ_ | so, can i still do it without a daemon ? |
| 18:03.12 | stew | if you really want. its not recommended |
| 18:03.13 | tharkun | msg dpkg why not ntpdate |
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| 18:05.28 | JodaZ_ | stew, well, how, ntpdate seems to not work anymore |
| 18:05.35 | JodaZ_ | or wait, the time gets gradually better |
| 18:05.43 | stew | JodaZ_: what makes you think ntpdate is not working? |
| 18:05.54 | JodaZ_ | does ntpdate behave like ntpd by stepping time ? |
| 18:06.12 | tharkun | JodaZ_: http://www.redhat.com/archives/nahant-list/2005-December/msg00009.html |
| 18:06.13 | stew | JodaZ_: ntpdate steps time drastically. ntpd does not |
| 18:06.17 | tharkun | from the factoid |
| 18:06.42 | jhutchins_lt | stew: I believe ntpd has an option that will allow a large offset. |
| 18:07.01 | JodaZ_ | stew, it doesn't look like that |
| 18:07.07 | stew | JodaZ_: doesn't look like what? |
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| 18:07.20 | JodaZ_ | like stepping large |
| 18:07.40 | JodaZ_ | it seems to me ntpdate is stepping only small steps too on squeeze |
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| 18:08.22 | JodaZ_ | offset gets 0.01 sec better every time i run it |
| 18:08.40 | stew | JodaZ_: how far off do you believe your clock is? |
| 18:09.00 | JodaZ_ | off by what ntpdate it shows as "offset" |
| 18:09.30 | mrtn_ | Is there some other way to search for a process using the ps than with directing the output to grep? Usually I do "ps -ef | grep plugin", but is there a smarter way? |
| 18:09.31 | jhutchins_lt | JodaZ_: man ntpd, /offset |
| 18:09.32 | JodaZ_ | when i started doing ntpdate it was 0.33, after running it over 10 times now it got closer and closer to 0.00x |
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| 18:15.01 | JodaZ_ | "crontab -e" as root is a suitable place for ntpdate, right ? |
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| 18:16.29 | stew | JodaZ_: so this is a tool that we are telling you not to use, the authors say it is buggy and they aren't fixing it and don't use it, you don't think it works right. but you want to run it periodically anyway? |
| 18:17.12 | stew | JodaZ_: in that case, yes, crontab |
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| 18:18.16 | simonlnu | sighs |
| 18:18.23 | JodaZ_ | what does */1 mean as a cron time ? |
| 18:18.32 | stew | it means * |
| 18:18.50 | ChibaPet | every minute |
| 18:18.50 | JodaZ_ | why do i see */1 here, and not just * then ? |
| 18:19.10 | stew | no idea |
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| 18:19.14 | JodaZ_ | hmm |
| 18:19.20 | ChibaPet | */1 does the same thing but maybe it drives home the "once every minute" point better? |
| 18:19.33 | ChibaPet | or maybe someone switched to /1 from /5 or something and did it the easy way |
| 18:19.44 | JodaZ_ | what's /5 do ? |
| 18:19.48 | JodaZ_ | 5 per minute ? |
| 18:19.49 | stew | every 5 |
| 18:19.56 | JodaZ_ | oh |
| 18:19.57 | stew | no, 1 out of every 5 |
| 18:20.02 | stew | */1 is 1 out of every 1 |
| 18:20.07 | JodaZ_ | but 5 alone means every fifth minute in an hour ? |
| 18:20.18 | stew | yes |
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| 18:20.32 | JodaZ_ | whats 7/5 ? |
| 18:20.41 | stew | not necesarily 'every' for 'every fifth minute in an hour' you'll have to consult the hours field |
| 18:21.02 | stew | JodaZ_: never |
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| 18:21.41 | stew | that's "every minute in the range 7-7 which is divisible by 5" |
| 18:21.59 | JodaZ_ | 0 4 * * * /usr/sbin/ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 18:22.05 | JodaZ_ | this means 4 o clock, right ? |
| 18:22.15 | stew | yes |
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| 18:22.43 | stew | JodaZ_: and if you do this, cron.hourly might get executed twice at 4 am |
| 18:22.44 | JodaZ_ | if i did * 4 * * *, that would be every minute during 4 o clock ? |
| 18:22.49 | stew | JodaZ_: yes |
| 18:22.57 | JodaZ_ | stew, why twice ? |
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| 18:24.02 | stew | JodaZ_: becuase 4:00 rolls around on your clock which is wrong, and cron executes the 4:00 jobs, then your ntpdate which does the bad thing of abrubtly shifting the time to 3:59, then the 4:00 cron runs again |
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| 18:24.25 | stew | well, so hourly probably doesn't run at :00, but it demonstrates a problem with ntpdate |
| 18:24.48 | JodaZ_ | xD |
| 18:25.18 | JodaZ_ | remembers to not schedule any other jobs at 4:00 |
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| 18:26.03 | JodaZ_ | well, thanks |
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| 18:28.28 | JodaZ_ | hmm |
| 18:28.51 | JodaZ_ | so wait, can i use ntpd in a non daemon mode ? so it basically does the same thing as ntpdate ? |
| 18:28.57 | stew | no |
| 18:29.19 | stew | well wait, perhaps you can with -q and -g or something |
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| 18:29.55 | jhutchins_lt | Right. |
| 18:30.18 | stew | but seriously, just run the daemon and enjoy a correctly clock... |
| 18:30.22 | jhutchins_lt | JodaZ_: There are advantages to using the daemon though, and it's not a heavy burden on the system. |
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| 18:31.10 | simonlnu | ntpd as a client? no at all. you'll barely notice it most of the time. (pardon the pun) |
| 18:31.16 | simonlnu | not* |
| 18:31.34 | JodaZ_ | so it listens on what interfaces and how do i config that ? |
| 18:31.48 | acidchild | my printer is unable to print PDF files, i can print test pages and text files just fine, even images and webpages but not PDF. i did a little googling and they indicate its something to do with locale with a script in debian but nobody has suggested a resolution. |
| 18:31.55 | simonlnu | by default, all |
| 18:32.05 | acidchild | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/286048?comments=all this the sae issue in ubuntu. |
| 18:32.05 | JodaZ_ | how do i config it to none |
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| 18:32.36 | simonlnu | uh, that defeats the purpose |
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| 18:33.16 | sigmonsay | wwop, sent this to #Python by accident. Since debian treats python in crazy ways, how can I get dpkg -S <python module file> to actually work? |
| 18:33.22 | JodaZ_ | simonlnu, well, i do want to sync my time, but i don't want to expose a daemon/service |
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| 18:36.51 | jhutchins_lt | JodaZ_: As a client it doesn't listen, it queries servers. |
| 18:37.06 | dondelelcaro | sigmonsay: it works just fine... what are you trying to do? |
| 18:37.24 | JodaZ_ | jhutchins_lt, yes, indeed, i want to install/set it up to be solely a client and not listen |
| 18:37.37 | JodaZ_ | question is, how? |
| 18:37.50 | jhutchins_lt | JodaZ_: Mind you I haven't seen any vulnerabilities in it in years, if at all. |
| 18:38.08 | jhutchins_lt | JodaZ_: Quick, to the man page! Documentation is extensive. |
| 18:38.11 | Strife89 | Hello all. I have an ... interesting issue with a fairly new Debian setup. It consistently fails to automatically mount any and every USB device I throw at it. |
| 18:38.18 | sigmonsay | dondelelcaro, the imported module, ie mymodule.__file__ is different than what dpkg -S shows. |
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| 18:39.34 | stew | JodaZ_: i don't believe there is a way to make it a client only, you can limit it to a particluar interface to listen on, and you can use the restrict directive to not allow anyone to use the daemon anyway |
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| 18:39.56 | Strife89 | Hello all. I have an ... interesting issue with a fairly new Debian setup. It consistently fails to automatically mount any and every USB device I throw at it. |
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| 18:40.33 | dondelelcaro | sigmonsay: for which module? and why does it matter? |
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| 18:41.13 | Strife89 | I can manually mount the devices, however. |
| 18:41.23 | dff | which is the default ftp daemon in debian? |
| 18:41.48 | dff | cant find anything in /etc/ yet i have an ftp running |
| 18:42.01 | jhutchins_lt | Strife89: Which release? |
| 18:42.12 | Strife89 | Squeeze (6.0.3), netinstall |
| 18:42.27 | dondelelcaro | sigmonsay: and if you're talking about the difference between py/pyc, of course the pyc files aren't distributed, so they don't show up in dpkg -S. |
| 18:42.32 | JodaZ_ | stew, how do i stop it from running when i installed it ? i think -g -q options would be what i want... |
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| 18:43.18 | simonlnu | there is no default ftpd |
| 18:43.27 | jhutchins_lt | JodaZ_: rcconf |
| 18:43.31 | sigmonsay | dondelelcaro, No, I'm talking about dpkg -L somethin-python yields results in /usr/share/pyshared, but the module in python has a path in /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6 |
| 18:43.34 | sigmonsay | I'm not talking about pyc |
| 18:43.39 | dff | simonlnu: so ive installed some ftp server? |
| 18:43.40 | wart___ | hmm, does debian recognize a distinction between recommended and packages that another pakcage in fact depends upon? |
| 18:43.55 | sigmonsay | I can work around it, just annoying |
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| 18:44.00 | simonlnu | dff: i don't know, you tell us |
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| 18:44.03 | wart___ | such that i can do an apt-get install --just-deps-not-recommended foobar |
| 18:44.09 | dff | simonlnu: isnt there an option to have ftp installed when you install debian? |
| 18:44.10 | stew | JodaZ_: update-rc.d ntpd disable |
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| 18:44.16 | wart___ | or is that the default behavior |
| 18:44.29 | dff | Debian 4.3.5-4 |
| 18:44.31 | JodaZ_ | stew, with that i will still be able to run it manually ? |
| 18:44.32 | dff | is what i have |
| 18:44.39 | stew | JodaZ_: yes |
| 18:45.09 | Strife89 | jhutchins_lt: Squeeze (6.0.3) x86, netinstall |
| 18:45.12 | stew | wart___: yes, ther are many different dependency types: Depends, Recommends, Suggests, Enhances... by default Depends and Recommends are installed |
| 18:45.27 | wart___ | ah, ok, so how do i make it so that by default it is just Depends |
| 18:45.39 | stew | wart___: the option you are looking for is --no-install-recommends |
| 18:45.42 | wart___ | i figured as much, because a lot of apps are "sucking in" a lot of other apps i don't really need |
| 18:45.57 | dondelelcaro | sigmonsay: it also has a path in /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/..., which is where the py symlinks are |
| 18:45.59 | wart___ | perfect; now is there a way to "remove" all recommended apps (that i didn't explicitly install)? |
| 18:46.05 | stew | wart___: see the apt-get manpage about how to make that the default, but we'd encourage you to consider not changing the default |
| 18:46.07 | dondelelcaro | sigmonsay: the real file isn't in that directory, though. |
| 18:46.13 | JodaZ_ | stew, uh, whats the package name of ntpd ? |
| 18:46.18 | dondelelcaro | JodaZ_: ntp |
| 18:46.18 | stew | JodaZ_: ntp |
| 18:46.19 | jhutchins_lt | Strife89: I'm really only familiar with the KDE desktop and how it handles them. |
| 18:46.46 | Strife89 | jhutchins_lt: Ah. |
| 18:47.18 | Strife89 | It didn't strike me as likely that GNOME is the problem here, but .... |
| 18:47.26 | wart___ | stew: i just don't see why okular should also force me to install hal |
| 18:47.29 | wart___ | that's just silly :-) |
| 18:47.31 | jhutchins_lt | Strife89: If the system is finding them and making them able to be mounted then you need to look at whatever desktop you're running and what tools it uses to automount (if any). |
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| 18:47.52 | jhutchins_lt | Strife89: That's done with fuse in userspace to give the user control of the mount these days. |
| 18:48.24 | Strife89 | jhutchins_lt: Well, I did look at dmesg after one of the failed mounts. Looks like it thinks it's mounting a CD. |
| 18:48.38 | Strife89 | And, of course, failing. |
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| 18:49.30 | Strife89 | jhutchins_lt: After plugging in one of my FAT-formatted flash sticks: http://pastebin.com/qLrBLbYD |
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| 18:50.26 | acidchild | urg, linux pisses me off sometimes. |
| 18:50.31 | stew | wart___: "aptitude why hal" should tell you |
| 18:50.35 | acidchild | so i have to uninstall cups from package and install it from source. |
| 18:50.51 | acidchild | just so i can print a PDF :/ |
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| 18:51.44 | JodaZ_ | can anyone add that adding "interface ignore wildcard" to /etc/ntp.conf, makes ntpd listen only on lo ? |
| 18:51.57 | wart___ | yeah but that's a lie :-) |
| 18:52.01 | SwissFox | is starting to hate linux already... |
| 18:52.06 | wart___ | kde and okular do not depend on hal |
| 18:52.14 | wart___ | its a recommendation, however. |
| 18:52.54 | SwissFox | does anybody know why an rt2800pci wireless card might not work eventhough everything is updated and the drivers are installed...? |
| 18:52.59 | wart___ | in fact, is there an apt-get clean that removes the recommended files (but not the dependencies, obviously)? |
| 18:53.09 | jhutchins_lt | acidchild: I never had a problem printing PDFs. |
| 18:53.24 | cahoot | SwissFox, missing/wrong firmware? |
| 18:53.44 | stew | judd: recommends okular |
| 18:53.44 | SwissFox | got the firmware |
| 18:53.46 | judd | Package okular in squeeze/i386 -- recommends: None. |
| 18:53.49 | acidchild | jhutchins_lt: lucky you. :) the tracker suggests they fixed the issue. |
| 18:53.59 | stew | wart___: okular does not recommend or depend on hal |
| 18:54.03 | acidchild | but i am still having the same problem. |
| 18:54.25 | dondelelcaro | SwissFox: what does dmesg say? how is it not working? |
| 18:54.32 | acidchild | so i'm going to try from source and if that fails, who knows. |
| 18:54.33 | wart___ | stew: hmm, well on my box it does; aptitude why hal states that and when i do a apt-get install okular it pulls in (among many many other ngs) hal |
| 18:54.34 | cahoot | SwissFox, (unless already done) unload/reload the module and check the last 10-20 lines of dmesg |
| 18:54.37 | wart___ | so it isn't okular per se but kde |
| 18:54.41 | jhutchins_lt | acidchild: It's not a general problem in stable or with pdfs or the printing system, it's something specific that you happen to be leaving out. |
| 18:55.00 | SwissFox | is new to linux (is it dmesg rt2800pci?) |
| 18:55.01 | wart___ | since i don't use anything kde-related except okular, on most of my systems i install only kdelibs an icons package and okular |
| 18:55.06 | stew | JodaZ_: i don't know whether or not limiting which interfaces ntpd listens on will also limit which interfaces it is willing to get results from |
| 18:55.06 | acidchild | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/286048?comments=all |
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| 18:55.10 | tsousa | hey |
| 18:55.14 | wart___ | but debian wants me to install all these other things which are merely reocmmended and not required |
| 18:55.32 | tsousa | when i am doing Xorg -configure xorg says that i give to many screens. how can i solve it? |
| 18:55.53 | JodaZ_ | stew, seriously ? |
| 18:55.54 | stew | wart___: can you show us the output of "aptitude why hal"? |
| 18:55.59 | JodaZ_ | stew, so i can't do that ? |
| 18:56.00 | acidchild | jhutchins_lt: my printer will print anything other than a PDF just fine. the only thing i changed was installing evince. they suggest its a locale issues with 'sed' with one of the filer scripts. |
| 18:56.06 | stew | JodaZ_: i'm saying i don't know |
| 18:56.39 | jhutchins_lt | acidchild: Clue: 2008 bug in Ubuntu != 2011 bug in Debian. |
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| 18:56.56 | acidchild | same issue. |
| 18:57.05 | tsousa | can someone please help me? |
| 18:57.14 | acidchild | jhutchins_lt: /usr/lib/cups/filter/cpdftocps failed |
| 18:57.17 | stew | tsousa: what is the exact error message? |
| 18:57.21 | acidchild | is the error that cups provides me with. |
| 18:57.50 | jhutchins_lt | acidchild: Lenny and squeeze with KDE both print PDFs fine here. |
| 18:57.50 | tsousa | stew, it says that i have too many screens and it failed to create the xorg.conf |
| 18:57.52 | jesselang | To file a bug on a kernel version, is it best to be running that version when using reportbug? |
| 18:58.07 | jhutchins_lt | acidchild: What release are you running? |
| 18:58.10 | stew | tsousa: what is the exact error message? |
| 18:58.12 | acidchild | jhutchins_lt: squeeze. |
| 18:58.36 | wart___ | stew: http://sprunge.us/OaDU |
| 18:58.40 | jesselang | Seems like it would be best. |
| 18:58.45 | acidchild | i'm printing from evince. if that makes any difference |
| 18:59.01 | stew | wart___: ok, and so what is the problem with "apt-get remove hal"? |
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| 18:59.33 | wart___ | stew: nothing, mine was a more general question: does debian somehow install both recommended and required apps, and you answered that. |
| 18:59.44 | jhutchins_lt | acidchild: You're dealing with multiple layers, the pdf viewer, the desktop print interface, cups, and the printer. |
| 18:59.48 | wart___ | and then i found out thanks to you how to have it just install the required apps, which i'll be doing from here on forward |
| 18:59.49 | nag | jesselang: I don't think the kernel version with which you invoke reportbug is considered relevant |
| 18:59.52 | stew | wart___: and how is this a lie? |
| 18:59.55 | jhutchins_lt | acidchild: Is there an alternative printer definition you could try? |
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| 19:00.08 | jhutchins_lt | acidchild: Have you tried alternative PDV viewers like xpdf? |
| 19:00.08 | themisfit | Nice. |
| 19:00.09 | stew | wart___: note that you should expect some stuff to be unexpectedly broken when you never install recommends |
| 19:00.11 | themisfit | Anyone alive? |
| 19:00.13 | wart___ | stew: oh the "lie" was a joke: okular doesn't depend on hal even though aptitude why said so |
| 19:00.15 | acidchild | jhutchins_lt: maybe.. setting the printer driver to ps. |
| 19:00.29 | stew | wart___: it doesn't say so |
| 19:00.31 | wart___ | but really aptitude why said it was merely recommended :-) |
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| 19:00.56 | wart___ | i just find recommended a little overzealous for my tastes, esp. in this case where i don't want anything but minimal kde to get okular running and that's it |
| 19:00.57 | nag | jesselang: i.e., reportbug regarding an unbootable kernel |
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| 19:01.01 | themisfit | Can someone recommended a functional USB+Bluetooth dongle? |
| 19:01.05 | themisfit | One that is able to pair with a Bluetooth mouse. |
| 19:01.13 | jhutchins_lt | Somehow my system has defaulted to not installing suggests or recommends. |
| 19:01.39 | jhutchins_lt | themisfit: I just got what was on sale at microcenter. |
| 19:01.49 | jhutchins_lt | themisfit: They're pretty standard these days. |
| 19:02.14 | JodaZ_ | stew, *_* how do i get it into debug mode, when trying with -g -q it doesn't seem to finish with listening only on lo, but when listening on all it finishes |
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| 19:03.01 | themisfit | I have this Cirago. I'm able to connect the mouse but not pair it. I think the lack of pairing causes the jitter that I'm seeing. |
| 19:03.11 | stew | JodaZ_: no idea |
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| 19:04.10 | JodaZ_ | ok, so seems i can't disable it from listening, so i only run it periodically |
| 19:04.12 | themisfit | I'm able to pair the mouse with a Mac. |
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| 19:06.07 | DammitJim | themisfit, any luck? |
| 19:06.17 | themisfit | Nope. |
| 19:06.37 | DammitJim | you are looking to buy a new usb-to-bluetooth adapter? |
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| 19:06.53 | themisfit | Yup. |
| 19:07.06 | Ryccardo | Quick question: Single user mode implies sshd inactive, right? |
| 19:07.06 | themisfit | One that successfully pairs. |
| 19:07.26 | DammitJim | I don't know why that would be a problem... anything you get at Office Depot should work |
| 19:07.43 | themisfit | I can use the mouse, but I can't pair it. |
| 19:07.49 | themisfit | Isn't that odd? |
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| 19:07.58 | stew | Ryccardo: yes |
| 19:07.58 | DammitJim | what do you mean you can't pair it? |
| 19:08.06 | DammitJim | and how can you "use it?" |
| 19:08.19 | DammitJim | I would think if you can use it, then it's paired |
| 19:08.30 | themisfit | The mouse functions, but I can't pair it. |
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| 19:08.53 | DammitJim | functions with what/ |
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| 19:08.55 | themisfit | Whenever I try to provide the PIN, the PIN is rejected. |
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| 19:09.22 | zinx | themisfit: the PIN is generally 0000 or 1234 |
| 19:09.26 | themisfit | Yah. |
| 19:09.46 | zinx | themisfit: also, many devices will only accept one pairing, after which you have to reset them |
| 19:09.58 | DammitJim | is that why you want to buy another bluetooth adapter? |
| 19:09.59 | zinx | (yes, that's incredibly stupid, but that's the way it is :x ) |
| 19:10.08 | DammitJim | make sure that you have any other machine that has paired with the mouse turned off |
| 19:10.11 | themisfit | And the bluez dump output is telling me that the authentication has been rejected. |
| 19:10.28 | themisfit | I have paired it successfully with a Mac. |
| 19:10.34 | DammitJim | +1 zinx ... that's a "feature" of bluetooth |
| 19:10.36 | themisfit | Same mouse. |
| 19:10.38 | zinx | but wait though.. |
| 19:10.45 | DammitJim | right, so unpair it from the mac |
| 19:10.48 | DammitJim | and reset the mouse |
| 19:10.49 | zinx | themisfit: you're saying you get the mouse to work? |
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| 19:10.54 | zinx | themisfit: it just has jitter? |
| 19:10.55 | DammitJim | I have issues with my headphones like that, too |
| 19:11.01 | themisfit | Yeah, the jitter. |
| 19:11.07 | themisfit | But only with Debian. |
| 19:11.08 | greedo | any suggestions on a reasonable cpu time limit? |
| 19:11.08 | zinx | themisfit: it's paired if it's working |
| 19:11.08 | DammitJim | jitter on what? |
| 19:11.10 | themisfit | Not with the Mac. |
| 19:11.18 | greedo | using ulimit |
| 19:11.23 | themisfit | The mouse arrow jitters. |
| 19:11.24 | zinx | themisfit: it's likely the bluetooth adapter or interference causing jitter |
| 19:11.32 | zinx | themisfit: or the surface you have it on |
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| 19:11.36 | themisfit | If I type too, the mouse arrow spasms. |
| 19:11.42 | zinx | themisfit: optical mice don't work well on certain surfaces |
| 19:11.46 | DammitJim | themisfit, so when is it rejecting it? I think you are mixing different issues |
| 19:12.06 | zinx | themisfit: is your keyboard wireless? |
| 19:12.08 | DammitJim | 1) Mouse jitters |
| 19:12.13 | DammitJim | 2) Mouse doesn't pair |
| 19:12.21 | zinx | yeah, they are different issues |
| 19:12.31 | themisfit | Alright. On the Mac, the mouse works perfectly, even on a bedsheet. |
| 19:12.42 | DammitJim | ok, that's good to know |
| 19:12.54 | DammitJim | so, have you been able to get the mouse to pair (not get rejected)? |
| 19:13.04 | DammitJim | and on what OS? you sound like you have a mac, debian and something else |
| 19:13.06 | zinx | themisfit: do wired mice (or the builtin mouse/pad/whatever) function properly on the debian machine? |
| 19:13.14 | themisfit | On the Debian systems, I'm able to use the mouse, but not pair it. Other problems are that as I type on a wired keyboard, the mouse arrow moves. |
| 19:13.32 | stew | how do you use a mouse that isn't paired? |
| 19:13.37 | zinx | you don't |
| 19:13.53 | DammitJim | themisfit, but I thought you were getting rejected when pairing |
| 19:13.54 | themisfit | I understand that, but it's telling me that it's not paired. |
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| 19:14.07 | stew | too many pronouns |
| 19:14.24 | themisfit | gnome-bluetooth states that the mouse is not paired. |
| 19:14.24 | DammitJim | it has to be paired for it to work, doesn't it? |
| 19:14.43 | themisfit | I don't know. It's connected but not paired. |
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| 19:14.56 | themisfit | One the Mac, it's both connected and paired. |
| 19:14.57 | zinx | i'm pretty sure i installed blueman because the gnome one sucked something terrible :P |
| 19:14.59 | DammitJim | you say it's connected because you are able to navigate with it? |
| 19:15.08 | themisfit | Right. |
| 19:15.09 | DammitJim | LOL @ zinx |
| 19:15.27 | DammitJim | let me see what I'm using |
| 19:15.38 | themisfit | And the spasms... I can't explain that. |
| 19:15.39 | zinx | and now that sid has switched to gnome 3, i've moved to xfce for desktop environment (though, not apps..) |
| 19:15.41 | DammitJim | my window manager is e, though |
| 19:15.55 | themisfit | I've tried KDE too. |
| 19:16.00 | zinx | i don't know what the gnome-shell people are smoking :/ |
| 19:16.02 | themisfit | And xfce4. |
| 19:16.22 | DammitJim | oh, I just use hcitool scan |
| 19:16.26 | zinx | themisfit: oh, i'm not saying it's gnome per-say, just that i recall having problems with gnome's standard bluetooth management |
| 19:16.35 | DammitJim | then hidd --connect MA:CA:DD:RE:SS |
| 19:16.36 | wart___ | so is there a way to remove all packages that are merely recommended? a switch on clean? |
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| 19:17.00 | jordanm | !tell wart___ about why recommends |
| 19:17.13 | themisfit | OK, thanks anyway. |
| 19:17.16 | themisfit | Have to go. |
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| 19:17.27 | DammitJim | I have bluez-compat installed |
| 19:17.43 | stew | wart___: why would you want to do this? are you running out of diskspace? |
| 19:17.54 | stew | actually nevermind, i should not bother with this line of reasoning |
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| 19:18.38 | wart___ | stew: yes :-) in any case i have a couple other functioning systems that have okular installed with no hald (for instance), and i'm just curious which apps would be removed since they are merely recommended |
| 19:18.56 | wart___ | chromium + dbus is another annoyance but i think that's a dep not a recommended |
| 19:19.21 | simonlnu | ,recommends okular-plugins |
| 19:19.23 | judd | No package named 'okular-plugins' was found in squeeze/i386. |
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| 19:20.39 | simonlnu | ,recommends okular-extra-backends |
| 19:20.40 | judd | Package okular-extra-backends in squeeze/i386 -- recommends: okular. |
| 19:20.51 | simonlnu | duh |
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| 19:21.53 | stew | simonlnu: we've already determined its via the dependency on kdebase-runtime |
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| 19:22.09 | simonlnu | *nods* |
| 19:23.06 | barcef | Could someone point me to a guide that would turn my hosted debian server into an HTTP proxy for my WII? I have a debian 6.0.2(squeeze) server hosted with Amazon. |
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| 19:23.36 | confusid | http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-install-adobe-flash-in-debian-etchlennysid.html |
| 19:23.47 | confusid | is that a good place to follow for flash install? |
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| 19:24.25 | murder | function(num) what does this num means? in manpages. like flock(1) and such ? |
| 19:24.39 | stew | murder: the section, see "man man" for a list of sections |
| 19:25.00 | somiaj | confusid: what version of debian. I'd just install the flash-nonfree package from non-free repos |
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| 19:25.08 | murder | cool thanks |
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| 19:25.19 | stew | somiaj: (its not in non-free) |
| 19:25.25 | confusid | somiaj version 6 lenny I think.. just downloaded and installed |
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| 19:26.08 | somiaj | confusid: yea that is outdated, you don't need to do any backports, just install the package 'flashplugin-nonfree' it gives you the scripts to download and install adobe flash |
| 19:26.16 | stew | confusid: 6 is squeeze, 5 is lenny |
| 19:26.22 | confusid | ty |
| 19:26.24 | somiaj | confusid: and as stew mentioned its in 'contrib' not non-free |
| 19:26.35 | confusid | do I need to add a repository? |
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| 19:26.57 | somiaj | confusid: if you don't have 'contrib' included in your repo you have to add it. But its not new entry, just an additional line |
| 19:27.19 | somiaj | arg just an additional keyword at the end of your main repo line |
| 19:27.24 | stew | confusid: and you might take care about where you use that thing: http://www.debian-administration.org/users/dkg/weblog/84 |
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| 19:27.47 | confusid | ty |
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| 19:28.25 | JodaZ_ | ALL:ALL works in /etc/hosts.deny ? |
| 19:28.51 | stew | JodaZ_: man hosts.deny |
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| 19:29.42 | barcef | would /etc/network/options exist in squeeze? I can't find it. |
| 19:30.04 | jordanm | wart___: regex="i A .+[[:space:]]Recommends (.*)"; removes=(); dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | while IFS=$'\n'; read -r line; do output=($(aptitude why $line)); for package in "${output[@]}"; do if [[ $package =~ $regex ]]; then removes+=("${BASH_REMATCH[1]}"); echo "${removes[*]}";fi; done; done |
| 19:30.10 | jordanm | wart___: something like that perhaps |
| 19:30.19 | stew | barcef: no |
| 19:30.45 | stew | barcef: not for several releases now iirc |
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| 19:31.37 | wart___ | jordanm: thanks; more complicated than I thought, but makes sense; i was gonna try the deborphan package. |
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| 19:31.40 | wart___ | i'll let you kno |
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| 19:32.09 | barcef | stew, how would I set it up to use it as a proxy server? |
| 19:32.16 | jelly-home | jordanm: good heavens |
| 19:32.23 | wart___ | it might just be okular and a couple other apps that i need to ignore the recommendations on in any case |
| 19:32.23 | stew | barcef: set up what? |
| 19:33.20 | jordanm | jelly-home: its not perfect. very possible for the removes array to get duplicate entries. and of course, running aptitude why on every installed package is pretty slow |
| 19:33.23 | sanduz2 | can someone give me a recommendation? im looking for something like a virtual image to restore a debian server. basically all im trying to do is completely restore my server to how it was when i made the restore 'image' just in case i make a mistake or something unexpected happens, to minimize downtime. are there any tools like this? |
| 19:33.24 | barcef | stew, debian server to act as a proxy on port 80 for example |
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| 19:34.00 | stew | barcef: squid is probably the most widely used http proxy. "apt-cache search http proxy" would turn up others |
| 19:34.16 | jordanm | sanduz2: lvm support snapshotting |
| 19:34.27 | stew | barcef: you just need to be very careful when running a proxy that you only allow trusted users to use it |
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| 19:34.50 | sanduz2 | jordanm, thank you. is it as simple as a snapshot would be in virtualization? |
| 19:35.03 | jelly-home | sanduz2: not really. |
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| 19:35.34 | jelly-home | sanduz2: lvm snapshots each LV (~ filesystem) separately |
| 19:35.40 | barcef | stew, well, even routing might work, squid will cache and that is something that I do not need. I'm just trying to point my nintendo wii to my debian server in the US so that I can watch netflix again in english. |
| 19:36.02 | zykotick9 | sanduz2, another option would clonezilla - i HD imagine LiveCD, a la norton ghost |
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| 19:36.06 | stew | barcef: sorry that's not something I can help with |
| 19:36.06 | sanduz2 | jelly-home, so my FS wouldnt be ext4, it would be LV? |
| 19:36.24 | sanduz2 | zykotick9, hm never heard of that thanks ill look into it |
| 19:36.24 | stew | barcef: you should work this out with netflix and nintendo |
| 19:36.30 | jordanm | sanduz2: you can put whatever filesystem you want on a logical volume |
| 19:36.38 | barcef | stew, I'll try squid.. and see where it gets me. |
| 19:36.39 | jelly-home | sanduz2: nope. LV is a block device, used instead of partitions, to put a filesystem on. |
| 19:36.45 | sanduz2 | oh i see |
| 19:36.58 | sanduz2 | what makes it more complicated than a virtual image? |
| 19:37.12 | sanduz2 | i was hoping for something super simple and basic |
| 19:37.34 | jelly-home | sanduz2: you'd need to have snapshots of each filesystem, and the layout of the partitions and LVs stored separately |
| 19:37.44 | sanduz2 | i see |
| 19:37.58 | sanduz2 | thanks |
| 19:38.17 | jelly-home | this is not a full-blown solution, but one can be created using the methods presented |
| 19:38.36 | sanduz2 | and it can be manual snapshots right? im not looking for automation yet |
| 19:38.44 | jelly-home | correct |
| 19:38.48 | sanduz2 | cool thanks |
| 19:39.12 | jelly-home | you need to leave some free space for the snapshots to work |
| 19:40.04 | sanduz2 | i see, so besides just needing a file system 'template,' it should be simple to use? |
| 19:40.05 | jelly-home | eg. 10-15% of the largest partition in that LVM container (this container is called a volume group, VG) |
| 19:40.23 | jelly-home | it's pretty straightforward if you're a sysadmin |
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| 19:40.29 | sanduz2 | cool |
| 19:41.35 | jelly-home | recovery procedure looks somewhat like: boot (eg. a livecd) on a fresh machine, set up partitions, LVM (PVs, VGs, LVs), restore images of LVs, mount, chroot, set up boot loader |
| 19:42.20 | sanduz2 | sounds pretty good |
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| 19:46.43 | confusid | If I start with apt-get I should not mixed installs and use aptitude or any others? stick with what I start to install with? |
| 19:47.00 | stew | confusid: it doesn't matter |
| 19:47.24 | confusid | there's no longer a seperation of dep's, or how they are tracked? |
| 19:47.53 | jelly-home | confusid: you may use apt-get and aptitude, they now use the same methods of keeping track of most stuff |
| 19:47.59 | stew | not unless you are relying on some rarely used aptitude things like "aptitude forbid", but things like auto-installed tracking is now shared |
| 19:48.12 | confusid | ty! |
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| 19:53.31 | gentz | Is my box's hostname only visible to the private network or is it visisble on the internet? |
| 19:54.39 | wart___ | jordanm: needed to tack on a 'uniq' but otherwise that little bash script seems to do the trick |
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| 19:55.05 | wart___ | so far its just aspell and alsa-utils :-) |
| 19:55.20 | Na_Klar | gentz, as far as I know your machine will publish its hostname in several cases |
| 19:57.02 | sephii | Hey there, I'm getting some strange problems with a website (megaupload.com) which I cannot access anymore. I suppose the problem comes from the DNS resolution which doesn't give me any ip for this domain name. Any clue on how to debug this? |
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| 19:57.32 | gentz | Na_Klar: what's an example? |
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| 20:01.03 | somiaj | sephii: Its more likely that site than anything else. you can try to use different nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf to see if that helps. |
| 20:01.56 | somiaj | sephii: but it is either their nameserver is down so you aren't getting a dns resolution or that site is just being blacklisted from some major ips's nameservers. |
| 20:02.30 | sephii | somiaj: I tried to access it from a different location and it's ok. Also I tried to access it from another device but using the same access point, and it works. But on my 2 Debian machines, there's nothing to do |
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| 20:02.42 | specing | Hello |
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| 20:02.55 | Na_Klar | gentz, well I just tested some ways on my machine, but till now I seem to be wrong, cause I could not get my hostname (we are not talking of a domain, right :P ) without beeing logged in in some way .. |
| 20:03.13 | specing | Where should I go for discussing the installation of embedded debian on armel? |
| 20:03.15 | somiaj | sephii: are all of these locations using teh same route/nameserver? |
| 20:03.41 | gentz | Na_Klar: right. guess its not possible. ty! |
| 20:04.16 | sephii | somiaj: yep, given by the DHCP server i think |
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| 20:04.35 | sephii | I'll just try to put opendns ips in my resolv.conf to check |
| 20:04.37 | wart___ | jordanm: although deborphan --guess-all does a pretty good job |
| 20:04.39 | ompaul | specing: perhaps #debian-arm |
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| 20:05.18 | ompaul | specing: it might only be on oftc but if there is one here and it isn't active try oftc also |
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| 20:06.40 | sephii | somiaj: I just did a dig with the OpenDNS servers and it worked, seems like my ISP is trying to block that website? |
| 20:06.42 | JodaZ_ | hmm, why does the sshd listen on 0.0.0.0 and :: ? shouldn't :: be sufficient ? |
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| 20:07.45 | somiaj | sephii: well my expereince with that website is its full of illegal media. |
| 20:07.54 | Dulak | JodaZ_: 0.0.0.0 is ipv4 :: is ipv6 they are different network stacks |
| 20:08.36 | somiaj | sephii: http://torrentfreak.com/dns-seizure-takes-out-megaupload-111129/ -- from google |
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| 20:08.42 | JodaZ_ | Dulak, hmm, i got this other process tho and it only listens on ::, and i can access it over ipv4 |
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| 20:09.08 | Dulak | JodaZ_: what process? |
| 20:09.45 | JodaZ_ | Dulak, its quasselcore, a irc "bouncer", how does that matter tho ? |
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| 20:10.49 | stew | JodaZ_: no, for sshd you have to specify both if you want both |
| 20:10.49 | Dulak | JodaZ_: I don't know, but it used to be :: was ipv6 only, so perhaps there was a kernel change at some point that I missed |
| 20:11.10 | stew | JodaZ_: openssh coders made this choice explicitly |
| 20:11.16 | sephii | somiaj: but it's still useful to share stuff, also I payed for an account so that doesn't please me a lot :( |
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| 20:11.37 | confusid | googling is not giving me a direct faq on how to setup source.list I've added contrib non-free to deb and deb-src and to the 2 lines under aqueeze-updates |
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| 20:11.51 | sephii | somiaj: thanks for the link |
| 20:12.40 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there every one ... how can i remove the packages that get downloaded and reserved on my disk ? |
| 20:12.56 | JodaZ_ | stew, is this some kinda mode you can do when listening on a socket so its ipv4 and ipv6 ? |
| 20:13.27 | somiaj | sephii: You should probabaly switch to a less contraversial filesharing/storage site. That one has been and will be focus of legal attacks |
| 20:13.46 | ompaul | cobra-the-joker: visit /var/cache/apt/archive and stare in wonder :) |
| 20:14.28 | stew | JodaZ_: yes, that is the default. ssh goes out of its way to call setsockopt with IPPROTO_IPV6, IPV6_V6ONLY, when binding to the socket for a ipv6 address |
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| 20:14.53 | cobra-the-joker | ompaul, ok :D |
| 20:14.53 | zykotick9 | cobra-the-joker, the quasi-automatic way is to use "clean" with either aptitude or apt-get |
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| 20:15.20 | JodaZ_ | stew, ah, ok |
| 20:15.48 | sephii | somiaj: yeah, well in the future I think I'll just rely on my own server to store the stuff I want to share :) |
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| 20:17.39 | JodaZ_ | sephii, i think you can access megaupload still directly over the ip |
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| 20:18.10 | somiaj | sephii: that link seems to say it was just a dns issue, be paitent and it should return to normal. Though I doubt this will be the last time you'll have these problems. |
| 20:18.27 | JodaZ_ | sephii, just add the hosts to /etc/hosts, or use those dns servers |
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| 20:19.25 | akio | Where can I find a guide to getting vnc sessions gdm3 on squeeze? |
| 20:19.28 | JodaZ_ | sephii, oh, and megaupload's dns is off since at least yesterday for just about everyone |
| 20:20.07 | akio | Multi-user setup, xinetd style preferably with resumable sessions. |
| 20:20.24 | somiaj | akio: probabaly no where, since gdm3 is not a part of squeeze nor will it likely be backported |
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| 20:20.53 | akio | I just installed squeeze and the gdm3 file structure is there. |
| 20:20.54 | stew | judd: info gdm3 --release squeeze |
| 20:20.55 | judd | Package gdm3 (gnome, optional) in squeeze/i386: Next generation GNOME Display Manager. Version: 2.30.5-6squeeze4; Size: 1588.3k; Installed: 6800k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/gdm3 |
| 20:21.16 | jelly-home | ,versions gdm3 |
| 20:21.18 | judd | Package: gdm3 on i386 -- squeeze-security: 2.30.5-6squeeze2; squeeze: 2.30.5-6squeeze4; sid: 3.0.4-4; wheezy: 3.0.4-4 |
| 20:21.33 | akio | Ok, then gdm. |
| 20:21.40 | stew | why is security behind squeeze? |
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| 20:21.51 | somiaj | hmm, guess I was thinking gdm3 was part of gnome3. My bad, seems gdm3 is version 2 in squeeze. |
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| 20:22.00 | jelly-home | security often gets leftovers |
| 20:22.14 | akio | I don't get it. I have it installed on my system and it is squeeze. |
| 20:22.22 | akio | I didn't manually install it either. |
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| 20:22.30 | jelly-home | akio: yes. there in fact is gdm3 in squeeze. |
| 20:22.50 | Alpha-Omega | where are .flv files stored in debian? I tried looking under the cache, but can't find anything |
| 20:22.58 | Alpha-Omega | also the find command isn't finding anything |
| 20:23.13 | jelly-home | Alpha-Omega: how did you download them? |
| 20:23.17 | zykotick9 | Alpha-Omega, flash? they get deleted immediately |
| 20:23.18 | akio | Thats what I thought, so back to the original question. |
| 20:23.30 | somiaj | akio: sorry my mistake, I think its bad naming to call it gdm3 but have it be version 2.3 (: |
| 20:23.38 | Alpha-Omega | jelly-home, it's a flash player that plays the flv |
| 20:23.54 | Alpha-Omega | zykotick9, I still have the video open in the browser |
| 20:23.58 | jelly-home | Alpha-Omega: which flash player? Adobe's browser plugin? |
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| 20:24.13 | somiaj | akio: 'gdm3 vnc debian' gave me a few hits, maybe you'll find something there |
| 20:24.22 | Alpha-Omega | jelly-home, jwplayer, but yeah uses flash |
| 20:25.04 | jelly-home | akio: install x11vnc, read its documentation (and try just starting it, it shows some useful information that way) |
| 20:25.06 | zykotick9 | Alpha-Omega, it's possible to copy them out of /proc/####/fd/## if you still have it open - use "lsof | grep Flash" to find the appropriate #s |
| 20:26.13 | zykotick9 | s/copy/cat/ |
| 20:26.18 | Alpha-Omega | zykotick9, alright, hmm |
| 20:26.30 | Alpha-Omega | zykotick9, s/copy/cat ? |
| 20:26.43 | jelly-home | Alpha-Omega: cp works. |
| 20:26.44 | zykotick9 | Alpha-Omega, you have to cat them out of /proc really |
| 20:26.52 | zykotick9 | oh, my mistake then |
| 20:26.59 | jelly-home | cat works as well. |
| 20:27.01 | Alpha-Omega | well it says |
| 20:27.11 | Alpha-Omega | (deleted) next to all the files |
| 20:27.19 | jelly-home | Alpha-Omega: those are EXACTLY what you want |
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| 20:27.32 | Alpha-Omega | alright |
| 20:27.34 | jelly-home | chrome 10423 jelly 54u REG 0,18 115666443 8977494 /tmp/FlashXXj1TZ04 (deleted) |
| 20:27.35 | acidchild | jhutchins_lt2: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/DlNigy13.html |
| 20:27.38 | Alpha-Omega | so cat or cp |
| 20:28.01 | Alpha-Omega | would cp work if the file doesn't exist in the /tmp/ folder |
| 20:28.06 | jelly-home | Alpha-Omega: /proc/10423/fd/54 would have that flash chunk |
| 20:28.09 | Alpha-Omega | I'm guessing I would need to extract from proc? |
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| 20:28.22 | jelly-home | Alpha-Omega: yes, cp /proc/10423/fd/54 some.flv |
| 20:28.32 | Alpha-Omega | plugin-co 2753 george 17u REG 8,1 73361657 549764 /tmp/FlashXXqllK9N (deleted) |
| 20:29.10 | jelly-home | you now already know what to do. |
| 20:29.15 | jelly-home | godspeed. |
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| 20:32.09 | Alpha-Omega | jelly-home, zykotick9 thanks so much guys, it worked, just a couple questions so I understand this, so the file is saved in /tmp/, but immediately deleted or something, even though it's open in the browser and there's no buffering? also, am I extracting the file from the processor or something with the cp /proc/... command? |
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| 20:32.32 | Alpha-Omega | or /proc/ is process command |
| 20:32.52 | Alpha-Omega | weird that images are saved in firefox cache but flvs are not |
| 20:32.53 | jelly-home | Alpha-Omega: files are not actually deleted until all processes keeping them open close it or die |
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| 20:33.16 | Alpha-Omega | jelly-home, so why are they ever created in /tmp/ and why do they just disappear from there? |
| 20:33.53 | stew | Alpha-Omega: the directory entry in /tmp/ pointing to the file is removed, then when the file is closed and no longer is referenced by any directory entries the file is actually deleted |
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| 20:34.06 | stew | Alpha-Omega: they create the file, delete the directory entry, but continue working with the file |
| 20:34.20 | jelly-home | Alpha-Omega: they are still on that filesystem, but have no directory entry any more, and can be accessed only from that process' file descriptor. The kernel exposes each process' fds under /proc/PID/fd/ |
| 20:34.23 | sephii | JodaZ_: somiaj: thanks, I added some entries in my hosts file and it works |
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| 20:35.15 | rly | I have a Java applet which I don't trust. How can I still run it in the most convenient way possible such that it only has read-only access to one directory on the file system? |
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| 20:36.03 | Alpha-Omega | stew, so is the file in /tmp/ deleted or there, just not visible and can't be accessed by the end user? |
| 20:36.16 | JodaZ_ | sephii, good to know ^^, it propably is slightly faster than usual too because not everyone can use it |
| 20:36.45 | stew | Alpha-Omega: files are not really in directories. directores have directory entries (filenames) that point to files |
| 20:37.27 | stew | Alpha-Omega: the same file might be referenced from multiple directories in the same or differnt directories, these directory entries are just pointers to where the file starts |
| 20:37.58 | stew | rly: you'd edit $JAVA_HOME/jre/lib/security/java.policy and probably run it in appletviewer |
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| 20:38.45 | stew | rly: i don't recall whether or not youd have enough fine grained control to limit access to a single directory or not |
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| 20:39.04 | Alpha-Omega | stew, you just blew my mind :P so the file is created, then all references to it are removed for the user, but the /proc/ is able to somehow access it, am I understanding correctly? |
| 20:39.57 | stew | Alpha-Omega: yes |
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| 20:40.32 | wart___ | i bet debian has the capacity to tell me precisely (or almos precisely) how much diskspace on / is being taken up by programs (as opposed to data). is there a command to quickly get at this information? |
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| 20:41.13 | mjt | i don't think this makes sense |
| 20:41.19 | JodaZ_ | wart___, well, if you admined correctly, only /home and /root has "data"... |
| 20:41.25 | mjt | what is "programs" and what is "data" ? |
| 20:41.38 | mjt | also /var - like /var/log |
| 20:41.42 | simonlnu | it's all data ;) |
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| 20:41.49 | wart___ | basically i have a 2G drive; /home takes up 500M and I'm a little surprised that there's only 200M left. |
| 20:41.57 | wart___ | well /var/tmp and /var/log are ramfs |
| 20:41.59 | wart___ | and so too is /tmp |
| 20:42.18 | mjt | /var/log on ramfs is a nice invention :) |
| 20:42.26 | wart___ | mjt: especially on slow boxen |
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| 20:42.37 | wart___ | i mean you don't *really* need to know that information in between reboots anyway :-) |
| 20:42.41 | Alpha-Omega | stew, alright, thank you for the explanation, just weird how linux would not allow the end user to access the the flash videos as a file in a directory, I remember a while back you would be able to just access the file in /tmp/, no problem |
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| 20:43.00 | JodaZ_ | mjt, wat, i generally like to know why my box went down |
| 20:43.05 | zykotick9 | Alpha-Omega, change by Adobe actually |
| 20:43.09 | stew | Alpha-Omega: flash sucks |
| 20:43.10 | hipodilski | any alternative to teamviewer easy to setup on windows? |
| 20:43.13 | wart___ | mjt: i just mean how much apt-get install thinks it puts (call that "program") and how much comes about afterwards (call that "data") |
| 20:43.19 | acidchild | http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/DlNigy13.html this the cups/error.log file from printing a PDf file using the samsung unified driver. I can printer everything else but a PDF. has anyone got any suggestions? i have upgraded my install to see if the bug has been resolved and i still have the same issue. Thx. |
| 20:43.22 | Alpha-Omega | zykotick9, ohh, hmm |
| 20:43.25 | mjt | JodaZ_: tell that to wart___ , my logs are not on ram |
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| 20:43.41 | Alpha-Omega | stew, yeah, but we'll need to deal with it until html5 becomes standard |
| 20:43.45 | Hydroxide | wart___: if you want to see which installed packages are taking up the most space, simple answer: install the debian-godies package and use debpigs. |
| 20:43.46 | wart___ | gentoo notoriously can't figure this out since it is a source-based distro; but debian ideally can. |
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| 20:43.50 | stew | wart___: you mean dpkg, not apt-get, and it doesn't know any distinction between a program and data |
| 20:43.54 | wart___ | cool |
| 20:43.57 | Hydroxide | sorry, dpigs |
| 20:44.00 | Hydroxide | but the package name is right |
| 20:44.10 | Hydroxide | stew: he clarified that he means "stuff that apt installs" as programs |
| 20:44.25 | wart___ | stew: well when i do apt-get install foo it'll tell me how much disk space it expects to use |
| 20:44.39 | mjt | wart___: i'm not sure what do _you_ call "data", but basically it is everything that not comes from debian, which usually is just /home and /root. |
| 20:44.40 | Hydroxide | stew: which is indeed broader than I'd call programs, but it at least lines up with "stuff I don't need to back up" |
| 20:44.44 | wart___ | stew: i jjust thought it'd be nice to have an all-at-once reckoning of how much total disk space all the installed packages would take up |
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| 20:45.05 | stew | wart___: yes, but it will not take generated files into account, its just the space taken up by untarring the files before it is installed |
| 20:45.19 | wart___ | stew: that's what i want, actually |
| 20:45.28 | wart___ | i want the space prior to the generation of files |
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| 20:45.41 | Hydroxide | sounds like dpigs is your answer then |
| 20:45.46 | rly | stew: does a Java plugin only ask for permissions when it needs it? |
| 20:45.47 | wart___ | yeah dpigs sounds right |
| 20:45.50 | wart___ | let me check it out |
| 20:45.58 | wart___ | is it debian-goodies not debian-godies, right :-) |
| 20:46.02 | karsten | How would I compute the %commit value that 'sar -r' reports (9.06+) from, say, /proc/meminfo? |
| 20:46.15 | Hydroxide | wart___: yes :) sorry for the typo |
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| 20:46.43 | karsten | I'm trying to monitor system memory usage, we've got a JVM that gets out of hand. Total memory used + overcommit tends to predict this rather well, but I want to check more often than every 10 minutes. |
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| 20:46.57 | stew | rly: when it tries to do something that requires permission the sandbox it is running in will deny it at the time it tries to do the unallowed action, its not as java programs decleare explicitly up-front and request permissions, they just chug along until the security manager stops them from doing something |
| 20:47.12 | xylon | Hi I need brctl but `apt-cache search brctl' doesn't find it |
| 20:47.27 | stew | xylon: its in bridge-utils |
| 20:47.36 | stew | xylon: /mgs dpkg apt-file |
| 20:47.37 | xylon | stew: thanks |
| 20:48.21 | xylon | wow, cool |
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| 20:49.10 | gribouille | what is the .mcop directory for? |
| 20:49.28 | xylon | gribouille: delete it and see what breaks |
| 20:49.57 | gribouille | xylon, I'd rather not |
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| 20:50.28 | xylon | hey, maybe you can use apt-file |
| 20:51.07 | xylon | gribouille: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 20:51.21 | stew | apt-file wouldn't know anything about stuff in $HOME since pacakges don't put files there |
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| 20:51.30 | abrotman | or they better not anyway |
| 20:51.41 | stew | they wouldn't make it past dak |
| 20:51.50 | flying_penguin | I cannot ping localhost or access my webserver from laptop but I can get to it from another computer on the network 'auto lo' is set in /etc/network/interfaces and localhost is set to 127.0.0.1 in /etc/hosts. I'm not sure what to try next or what the problem could be. |
| 20:51.53 | stew | as lintian would certainly catch that |
| 20:52.10 | xylon | dak, wow cool name |
| 20:52.40 | rly | stew: is there no way to just create a user that cannot do anything except look at his own files or whatever files are reachable from his homedir? |
| 20:53.16 | xylon | rly: can't you put him in a chroot? |
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| 20:54.02 | rly | xylon: I can do everything, if there is documentation on how. |
| 20:54.07 | rudi_s | Hi. I have a problem with the proprietary nvidia drivers on sid (290.10), my GTX 570 HD gets loud when I start X11 (or run tools like nvidia-smi), the temperature is low (20-30 C), but the fans spin at 70%. Any idea what I can do to reduce the fan speed as long it's not necessary (as the card is still quite cool)? (nvclock doesn't support this card). Thanks. |
| 20:54.10 | rly | xylon: is there documentation on doing that? |
| 20:54.18 | wart___ | so this is a little interesting: i noticed that libqt4-webkit was installed (even though nothing depends upon it, even remotely); so i fired up aptitude and it tells me libplasma3 does... clicked on that and it tells me kdebase does. |
| 20:54.40 | rly | xylon: I want users to allow a graphical login. |
| 20:54.50 | stew | rly: then you'll have to put EVERYTHING they need into their home directory, like they'll need their own java install. and if java is compiled against system libraries (like the openjdk in java is linked against libraries in /lib/), then he will need his own copies of those libraries... |
| 20:55.08 | wart___ | which of course is a dependency that okular has. i'm beginning to suspect that my idea of a dependency is idiosyncratic :) |
| 20:55.31 | rly | stew: and there is no simply way to achieve that? |
| 20:55.38 | xylon | no they don't necessarily need their own coppies what about mount --bind |
| 20:55.43 | jordanm | wart___: you are spending a lot of time worrying about this. what are you trying to gain? |
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| 20:55.51 | rly | simple* |
| 20:55.58 | stew | xylon: what would you mount --bind? to where? |
| 20:56.08 | wart___ | jordanm: i guess i want more control over the system. |
| 20:56.11 | flying_penguin | the best advice I get from message boards is that lo is not setup properly. |
| 20:56.21 | rly | I would say Debian is not practically secure if one cannot express such policies in a few seconds. |
| 20:56.38 | rly | Are all the other OSs just as bad in this regard? |
| 20:56.43 | wart___ | jordanm: and i also want to gain the disk space. |
| 20:57.09 | flying_penguin | could the network manager interfere with the loopback routing? |
| 20:57.11 | stew | rly: i don't know of a linux distro that makes this any easier than it is on debian |
| 20:57.40 | rly | stew: What about Windows and Mac? |
| 20:57.50 | xylon | but why would you want to do it? a normal user doesn't have permissions to modify system files, only read them |
| 20:58.01 | xylon | and the user needs permission to read them |
| 20:58.03 | stew | rly: i dont' know very much about them at all. I can't imagein there is a way to do this on windows from the little I know about windows. |
| 20:58.12 | xylon | because otherwize how can they run programs? |
| 20:58.22 | xylon | lol windows |
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| 20:58.54 | stew | flying_penguin: does "lo" show up when you run "ip a" ? does it have a 127.0.0.1 address? |
| 20:58.54 | rly | What groups do I need to be in to run Gnome? |
| 20:59.02 | stew | rly: none |
| 20:59.18 | wart___ | jordanm: and seriously, a pdf reader shouldn't require webkit! (and in point of fact, I know okular does not.) |
| 20:59.24 | rly | stew: I think some stuff is mounted with users as a group (because everyone was trusted before). |
| 20:59.46 | rly | stew: so, I can just remove users from this new user and then at least that should be shielded. |
| 20:59.52 | wart___ | i know kde dependencies are a mess, but still! :-) |
| 21:00.05 | stew | rly: are you talking about the "users" option in fstab? |
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| 21:00.14 | stew | rly: or are you talking about a gid option to a non-unix filesytem? |
| 21:01.16 | rly | stew: the former. |
| 21:01.20 | flying_penguin | stew, lo dose not show up from ifconfig |
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| 21:02.20 | stew | rly: no, that's not what this option means at all, you should look it up in "man mount"; it has to do with who is allow to mount and unmount a filesystem, it has nothing to do with permission of accessing the files on that filesystem |
| 21:02.33 | flying_penguin | /etc/network/interfaces: |
| 21:02.33 | flying_penguin | auto lo |
| 21:02.33 | flying_penguin | iface lo inet loopback |
| 21:02.34 | rly | stew: ah, right, I remember now. |
| 21:02.35 | stew | flying_penguin: that is indeed a problem. does "ifup lo" work? |
| 21:03.08 | flying_penguin | ifup lo brought it up |
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| 21:04.28 | flying_penguin | stew, where do I need to specify lo to be brought up with the rest of the network devices at boot? |
| 21:04.30 | rly | stew: the file system is NTFS. It currently is mounted with 'defaults' (whatever that means (it is not documented)). |
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| 21:05.17 | stew | rly: you can change uid/gid/umask in order to alter the faked permissions of the files after the filesystem is mounted for ntfs |
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| 21:05.30 | rly | stew: it is documented. My bad. |
| 21:05.33 | stew | flying_penguin: "auto lo" does that |
| 21:06.38 | flying_penguin | stew, but I just had to bring it up manually |
| 21:07.07 | stew | flying_penguin: are you sure that it wasn't brought up at boot and then taken down by some other process sometime after boot? |
| 21:07.23 | flying_penguin | maybe |
| 21:07.52 | flying_penguin | I'm using wicd as my network manager that is the only thing I can think of that might bring it down |
| 21:08.03 | confusid | ok installed synaptic and used it to enable non-free and installed flash.. Now I see how the file is suppose to be. |
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| 21:08.57 | exaboy | anyone point me at a recent backuppc howto? #backuppc is full of tumbleweed |
| 21:09.21 | stew | exaboy: i can help if you ask more specific questions |
| 21:09.37 | exaboy | im trying to setup the localhost config. |
| 21:09.45 | exaboy | ie create my first host |
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| 21:10.08 | exaboy | actually no sorry its called a `client` |
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| 21:10.26 | exaboy | im following this, but dont know how out of date it is... http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/backuppc.htm |
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| 21:11.38 | stew | exaboy: it should be fine, backuppc configuration hasn't changed at all recently |
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| 21:12.04 | stew | exaboy: when you installed, localhost was already configured as a client, right? |
| 21:12.20 | stew | or server, whatever they call it |
| 21:12.21 | exaboy | nfi |
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| 21:12.29 | exaboy | i dont know where to find that info... |
| 21:12.49 | stew | exaboy: go to the web interface and click on "host summary" |
| 21:13.06 | exaboy | both are empty |
| 21:13.14 | rly | stew: but if I do that for the whole fs, how can I still allow one directory to be accessed? |
| 21:13.15 | stew | both? |
| 21:13.35 | exaboy | Hosts with good Backups & Hosts with no Backups = empty |
| 21:13.40 | stew | rly: you can't. and note that this doesn't affect all your unix permissions |
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| 21:14.30 | mdik | lemme crosspost: usually my eee switches to the external microphone when i plug it in, but since i dont know it doesnt any more :( |
| 21:14.34 | stew | exaboy: ok, i could swear that when debian installs there is an /etc/backuppc/localhost.pl and localhost listed in /etc/backuppc/hosts but that might have changed |
| 21:14.38 | rly | stew: how does it not effect unix permissions? |
| 21:14.53 | stew | rly: how would it? |
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| 21:15.10 | rly | stew: It was my impression that it would just tell all applications that all files are owned by the gid specified. |
| 21:15.12 | stew | rly: i mean permissions on all your other filesystems, like "/" and "/home" if that is separate... |
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| 21:15.22 | rly | stew: ah, sure. |
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| 21:15.44 | stew | rly: whne you mount the ntfs drive, it will appear that all the files are owned by the gid, yes |
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| 21:16.00 | yazdmich | ok |
| 21:16.03 | yazdmich | im back |
| 21:16.07 | rly | stew: ok, good to know that this is an impossible way to solve the problem. |
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| 21:18.48 | rly | In general, I have the impression that security systems on Linux are rather convoluted, compared to their web-based counterparts. |
| 21:19.10 | confusid | apt-get and synaptic do they also use the same info for installed and tracking of packages? |
| 21:19.59 | ompaul | rly: it is not impossible but given you don't want to work within the debian (gnu/linux) paradigm you will find that it is not the same as windows - well there's a shock, different systems using different paradigms, use NFS to share it copy it using rsync from your windows box, lock down the nfs and then you can have a cup of tea, GID UID and if you really need to step up a level go research and irc is not research just shooting the breeze and it works |
| 21:20.00 | ompaul | for some use cases |
| 21:20.46 | rly | ompaul: uhm, I don't even use Windows. |
| 21:21.02 | ompaul | well you are the one that suggested you had windows in the mix |
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| 21:21.11 | rly | ompaul: it is on an NTFS disk on the same physical machine. |
| 21:21.26 | ompaul | then format it and lock things down |
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| 21:21.49 | rly | ompaul: some other people still do use Windows. |
| 21:21.52 | boudiccas | rly; why have an NTFS drive if you dont have windows? |
| 21:21.57 | rly | ompaul: it is a dual boot system. |
| 21:22.24 | confusid | would samba solve the issue? format it, lock it down, then give it a user/pass threw samba... |
| 21:22.28 | boudiccas | rly; ah, you /have/ it, but you dont /use/ it |
| 21:22.39 | rly | boudiccas: right. |
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| 21:23.23 | ompaul | rly: that is a great choice if you are worried about security (which was your implication), anyway this matter is something for you to go and consider, access to the physical hardware is always a security issue |
| 21:23.31 | stew | confusid: it is even more convoluted to put samba on top of ntfs to control permissions of a unix process instead of just using a unix filesystem to start with |
| 21:24.16 | confusid | stew if he formated it to linux then used samba for the others who need access? |
| 21:24.27 | rly | ompaul: the issue is that large corporations have access to millions of consumer machines without a real need to do so. |
| 21:25.05 | stew | confusid: i don't believe there are others. as this started as "how can I let this one java aplet only have read access to a single directory" i don't think this is going to end with exposing filesystems to the network |
| 21:25.22 | confusid | nods |
| 21:25.31 | b_i_d | Hi. Some process is I/Oing the crap out of my disk right now. How can I find the culprit? |
| 21:25.47 | confusid | top ?? |
| 21:25.49 | exaboy | stew i found the root of all my problems was attempting to go against the grain and create a `admin` user when everything should be done with the `backuppc` user |
| 21:26.15 | b_i_d | can top tell me about I/O too? How? |
| 21:26.25 | stew | b_i_d: there is iotop |
| 21:26.26 | abrotman | b_i_d: iotop |
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| 21:27.00 | lotus-blade | my regular sound output is working, but my surround set is not working. the orange black and blue outputs are not |
| 21:27.06 | lotus-blade | any ideas? |
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| 21:27.29 | b_i_d | Thanks. Didn't know that one. |
| 21:27.37 | rly | lotus-blade: you didn't unmute the new sound channels? |
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| 21:27.45 | rly | lotus-blade: obviously a guess. |
| 21:27.58 | lotus-blade | where is that? |
| 21:28.09 | rly | lotus-blade: alsamixer |
| 21:28.24 | lotus-blade | not even sure what out of the box debian squeeze uses anymore |
| 21:28.28 | rly | lotus-blade: alsa |
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| 21:30.43 | wart___ | so this is odd; deborphan tells me two packages (libgc1c2 and libgssrpc4) are orphans so I do an apt-get purge on them; aptitude however wants to re-install them whenever I hit 'g'; but checking the reason why in aptitude... there is none. nothing depends on them. |
| 21:30.53 | wart___ | i must be misreading something here! |
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| 21:31.43 | abrotman | wart___: try doing it at the command line .. `aptitude purge libgc1c2 libgssrpc4' |
| 21:31.46 | wart___ | but it says that 12 packages depend on say libgc1c2 yet all of those have a 'p' next to them. |
| 21:31.51 | abrotman | wart___: likely something is reocmmending them |
| 21:32.41 | stew | wart___: try "aptitude search '~i?recommends(libgc1c2)'" |
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| 21:32.59 | stew | wart___: which is "installed packages which recommend libgc1c2" |
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| 21:33.05 | b_i_d | Wha? The process killing my hd right now is chromium. WTF google? |
| 21:33.34 | stew | wart___: as a wild guess you might "foget pending actions" in aptitude |
| 21:33.38 | wart___ | well libc1c2 didn't have anything recommending it :p |
| 21:33.49 | stew | wart___: aptitude why libc1c2? |
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| 21:34.08 | abrotman | b_i_d: do you have flash loaded ? |
| 21:34.41 | b_i_d | Loaded yes. But I think it's blocked on all tabs right now. |
| 21:34.58 | abrotman | okay .. well, i guess you know what it is |
| 21:35.48 | wart___ | stew: weird; i had run the apt-get purge on those package; and aptitude wanted to reinstall; but hwen i ran aptitude purge on them, aptitude then didn't want to reinstall them |
| 21:36.08 | wart___ | so does aptitude have cahce that needs to be updated? but i thought that's what it does when it says 'updating cache' wheneer i launch it! |
| 21:36.18 | wart___ | i mean 'loading cache' |
| 21:36.24 | b_i_d | Damn. It's my IDE for Node.js... :( |
| 21:36.34 | stew | wart___: no, that's differnt |
| 21:36.46 | lotus-blade | ok in alsa it has my cars listed as internal analog stereo. how do I change this? never worked with alsa before |
| 21:36.46 | stew | my wild guess is that aptitude had some pending actions it thought it was working on |
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| 21:37.53 | b_i_d | Yep. Killing that tab did it. Damn. I love NIDE, but not if it kills my IO. :/ |
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| 21:39.15 | confusid | with firmware. I used apt-get and installed the ipw firmware file, rebooted and it didn't see it but reinstalled with synaptic and it worked after the reboot. Is there a step I missed when using the apt-get install? |
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| 21:45.09 | lamah | my gpg key for mozilla has expired |
| 21:45.16 | lamah | how can i re-activate it |
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| 21:45.50 | zykotick9 | lamah, go to m.d.n and download the new DEB |
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| 21:46.28 | lamah | zykotick9: what .deb? |
| 21:46.37 | zykotick9 | lamah, the deb for the new key |
| 21:46.55 | lamah | zykotick9: how? |
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| 21:47.13 | zykotick9 | lamah, go to http://mozilla.debian.net/ and read a bit ;) |
| 21:47.33 | wart___ | ok one more little question i sweaer :-) Is there a nodocs option? Again the motivation is a small harddrive. i still have to get texlive on this guy and the way things are adding up i won't be able to have both okular and texlive, unless i do some serious trimming. |
| 21:47.48 | lamah | zykotick9: package for iceweasel, is download via apt-get, not manually i can't download a deb |
| 21:47.52 | wart___ | as far as i can tell the base system (minus /var /root and /home is about 1.3G |
| 21:48.15 | zykotick9 | lamah, if you can't read i can't help you. Good luck. |
| 21:48.23 | lamah | zykotick9: i need to re-activate the gpg, or new gpg? from where, or is not possible, i think for is only to 11-20 |
| 21:48.43 | lamah | zykotick9: no just u cannot help me, you don't know |
| 21:49.56 | zykotick9 | lamah, "You can do so by installing the pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring package" |
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| 21:50.19 | lamah | zykotick9: oh u mean for keyring deb package, thell me that i have thinks for iceweasel package |
| 21:50.31 | lamah | however |
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| 21:52.25 | zykotick9 | lamah, (is this a coincidence?) you are getting the error during apt-get/aptitude update correct? m.d.n did just change their key, but perhaps you talking about something else? |
| 21:52.43 | stew | wart___: no, its a fraction of that size |
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| 21:53.21 | wart___ | each package has some documentation and those add up; it'll be a couple hundred M |
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| 21:53.49 | wart___ | stew: anyway, i found the real culprit: kdebase recommendations include alls orts of crazy stuff i don't really need for okular strictly speaking :-) |
| 21:53.55 | jordanm | packages with large sets of documentation have typically a seperate -doc package |
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| 21:54.18 | jordanm | and we are talking about a desktop system here. consumer-grade storage is extremely cheap |
| 21:54.36 | sanduz2 | someone recommended LVM earlier so i can restore images really fast for recovery, but is it possible to use this approach remotely? since LVM is block level im assuming no... |
| 21:54.37 | wart___ | jordanm: yeah. and its an embeded device with 2G. |
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| 21:54.49 | stew | wart___: no, the entire base system including the documentation would be a couple hundred M |
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| 21:55.16 | jordanm | wart___: what kind of embeded device? my phone has more storage than that |
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| 21:55.25 | wart___ | jordanm: an archos tablet. |
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| 21:55.51 | jelly-home | sanduz2: what kind of recovery CAN you do remote? |
| 21:56.36 | jelly-home | sanduz2: assuming you're doing a bare metal recovery |
| 21:56.36 | jordanm | sanduz2: most big-name hardware vendors sell remote management cards for their hardware |
| 21:56.37 | sanduz2 | rsync? |
| 21:56.50 | sanduz2 | i see |
| 21:56.50 | jelly-home | rsync needs a working OS? |
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| 21:57.12 | sanduz2 | i think so doesnt it? |
| 21:57.37 | sanduz2 | im new to recovery and that sort of thing =\ |
| 21:57.42 | wart___ | stew: and the "no, its a fraction of the size" was: "no there is no -nodocs option; and also it is pointless" or was it "it is pointless"? |
| 21:57.52 | wart___ | it was a little ambiguous :-) |
| 21:58.51 | stew | wart___: no, i was saying that your statement "as far as i can tell the base system (minus /var /root and /home is about 1.3G" is false. the base system is a fraction of that size |
| 21:58.53 | wart___ | in any case, i have a pretty minimal system here: just basic X and dwm and it is already over 1G. I went through and pruned down aptitude once, but i'm not sure what is taking up all that space |
| 21:59.17 | stew | wart___: oh, you have your own definition of what the base system is. nevermind |
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| 22:00.34 | wart___ | stew: well what is the definition then? and yes, i'm coming in from another distribution where the base system is pretty minimal. |
| 22:00.51 | stew | wart___: Priority: required + Priority: important |
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| 22:03.10 | yagoo | i'm using a .localdomain locally.. and pinging any other station takes time (however pinging their ip# works immediately).. i'm thinking something is wrong with my bind zone (traceroute is fast and normal) |
| 22:03.17 | yagoo | anybody? |
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| 22:07.18 | dondelelcaro | yagoo: dig foohost; will give you some information as to what is going on |
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| 22:09.12 | jordanm | maybe not. doesn't dig bypass mdns and files, even if it is first in /etc/nsswitch.conf? |
| 22:09.52 | vlyalcin | hii to all, in bash, how can i remove "pwd" after all commands. I write any command, its print working directory aoutomatically |
| 22:09.53 | cthuluh | dig only uses /etc/resolv.conf, afaik |
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| 22:10.51 | yagoo | dondelelcaro, you good at this? i have a pasteurl somewhere.. |
| 22:11.01 | dondelelcaro | yagoo: show it to the channel |
| 22:11.02 | cthuluh | vlyalcin: there's a #bash channel |
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| 22:11.07 | yagoo | http://dpaste.com/664020/ |
| 22:11.14 | jordanm | vlyalcin: that is not normal behavior. perhaps you have something odd in PS1? |
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| 22:11.37 | yagoo | it's little teenie simple dns server on a debian arm (using bind9 on lenny) |
| 22:11.49 | jordanm | vlyalcin: what does echo $PS1 show? |
| 22:11.58 | dondelelcaro | yagoo: so the nameserver responded in 2ms; and I assume ping acer64.localdomain; works fast, right? |
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| 22:12.20 | Joelito | Hi, what package has the tool "preferred applications"? |
| 22:12.27 | dondelelcaro | yagoo: check the output of dig debian.org; for example, if that's what is slow. |
| 22:13.01 | yagoo | dondelelcaro, the ping would show fast with ->"ping acer64.localdomain" << on the first output, there's a long* delay, on every following output line, there's a long delay as well.. but ping 192.168.1.89 there's no delay.. |
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| 22:13.26 | ronin444 | stew, are you talking about the debian base system install |
| 22:13.29 | yagoo | dondelelcaro, the "ms" shows up just as short with hostname or ip#.. it's just there's a delay |
| 22:13.46 | yagoo | (but no delay for ping ip#) |
| 22:13.46 | jordanm | Joelito: gnome-control-center |
| 22:14.03 | vlyalcin | jordanm: if i can continue from here, output of $PS1 \[\e]0;\u@\h:w\a\]\[\033[01;31m\]\w\[\033[00m\]\n${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\033[01;34m\]\u\[\033[01;32m\]@\[\033[01;34m\]\h\[\033[00m\]\$ $(parse_git_branch)$(parse_svn_branch) |
| 22:14.10 | wart___ | stew: thanks! |
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| 22:14.29 | vlyalcin | i remember, installed script for vim configuration |
| 22:14.30 | Joelito | Jordanm, thanks |
| 22:14.37 | yagoo | dondelelcaro, all other ping <hostname> are fast.. |
| 22:14.37 | vlyalcin | sorry for bash configuration |
| 22:14.45 | ronin444 | i installed debian 6.03 amd64 yesterday only base now plus sshd and screen and it takes 701M |
| 22:14.53 | yagoo | dondelelcaro, it's only locally on this .localdomain i set .. |
| 22:15.09 | tharkun | yagoo: download mtr-tiny and do mtr --report example.com to see where your bottleneck is lying |
| 22:15.15 | yagoo | http://dpaste.com/664033/ |
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| 22:15.28 | stew | ronin444: yes |
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| 22:15.58 | jordanm | vlyalcin: echo "chroot: ${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)} git: $(type parse_git_branch) $(parse_git_branch) svn: $(type parse_svn_branch) $(parse_svn_branch)" |
| 22:16.05 | jordanm | vlyalcin: pastebin the output |
| 22:16.21 | vlyalcin | jordanm: ok, sorry |
| 22:16.28 | jordanm | vlyalcin: the pwd is most likely coming from $(parse_git_branch) or $(parse_svn_branch) |
| 22:16.30 | ronin444 | stew, i was looking at another insteresting thing too dpkg -l | wc -l |
| 22:16.45 | ronin444 | they are 275 |
| 22:17.20 | ronin444 | very nice i think, to me that is pretty minimal yet powerfull enough |
| 22:17.49 | ronin444 | debian just rock on and kicks |
| 22:17.53 | yagoo | tharkun, http://dpaste.com/664034/ (i'm doing the test from 192.168.1.85 btw) |
| 22:17.58 | ronin444 | :D |
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| 22:18.06 | drago | how to add user with password in one cmd? |
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| 22:19.00 | ronin444 | drago, you can separete commands like: command1;command2;3;4 |
| 22:19.23 | vlyalcin | jordanm i removed, still same |
| 22:19.44 | ronin444 | drago, ot put in shell script, but maybe there are other ways too |
| 22:20.08 | drago | i need cmd |
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| 22:20.41 | vlyalcin | jordanm: thank you for help, i am asking to bash channel |
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| 22:21.25 | yagoo | this is my zonefile btw.. if this helps.. dunno if there's something i should do.. like may comment-out ::1 http://dpaste.com/664039/ |
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| 22:22.03 | snax | moin. |
| 22:22.54 | yagoo | btw |
| 22:23.02 | yagoo | ping nslu2.localdomain .. has no delays.. |
| 22:23.05 | snax | Is the modern grub smart enough to consider an existing windows partition and add it. I don't want to throw debian on, and notice windows got wiped out. |
| 22:23.20 | qxt_ | Using Debian GNU/Linux 3.1.0-1-amd64. Using the GPU in my Sandy Bridge i7 2600. For some reason my USB mouse and keyboard get very slow and choppy when I bring my system out of standby or hibernation. Anybody know how this problem should be approached? |
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| 22:24.07 | jordanm | qxt_: when I first read that, I thought you were running sarge |
| 22:24.08 | yagoo | snax, ya.. its' called grub2.. you type "update-grub2" on your linux station |
| 22:24.42 | snax | does the debian installtion process do this ? |
| 22:24.42 | yagoo | snax, it doesnt wipe it out.. you just need a textual entry in your boot config.. |
| 22:24.46 | snax | I have to add that myself ? |
| 22:24.47 | snax | gay. |
| 22:24.47 | yagoo | snax, update-grub2 does this, updates grub.cfg |
| 22:24.52 | snax | ok. |
| 22:24.54 | Vasistha | snax: every time I've installed besides windows, grub has detected it. Even if it doesn't, it's not that difficult to re-add it. Just don't delete the partition ;) |
| 22:24.57 | yagoo | thinks snax is trolling |
| 22:25.26 | Vasistha | I wish I could find a way to do an ssh to my Dad's computer, but his ISP is restrictive so he cannot have a public-facing sshd. I wish there was some way we could connect via some central place. Any ideas? |
| 22:25.52 | yagoo | snax, the installer does this for you automatically.. if you don't like that you can ask your dad to put you in an instution |
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| 22:26.06 | specing | Vasistha: rrs |
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| 22:26.17 | Vasistha | specing: oh yeah? never heard of that |
| 22:26.19 | Vasistha | !rrs |
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| 22:26.33 | Vasistha | !ping |
| 22:26.37 | dpkg | Yes, vasistha you are either online or you are not... http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000326 |
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| 22:26.53 | chilicuil | stupid question, do I need to install cups to print to a ldp server? |
| 22:26.57 | figure002 | hi! i just recently installed Debian testing, but I can't find out how to change the titlebar theme. There is no more Appearance under settings. |
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| 22:29.31 | qxt_ | jordanm well technically I am using Linux 3.1.0-1 with the newer repos (hardware needs it) so I guess this would be called "wheezy" that has not been frozen yet. No unstable stuff, just testing. |
| 22:29.57 | Vasistha | specing: what is rrs? |
| 22:30.42 | specing | Vasistha: reverse remote shell |
| 22:30.54 | Vasistha | specing: ah well that sounds like a great idea |
| 22:31.11 | specing | basicaly a voluntary rootkit/trojan |
| 22:31.18 | specing | ;P |
| 22:32.17 | Vasistha | specing: do you happen to know if it's in debian? |
| 22:32.34 | specing | no clue |
| 22:33.00 | yagoo | i'm using a very cheap switch of like 20 bucks.. i'm thinking of the possibility this switch is cutting off something -- i think i'll hook a f ethertap to this.. |
| 22:33.16 | Vasistha | specing: is there anything that can be done to ensure security? e.g. instruct it to only accept a connection from my ip address? |
| 22:33.29 | specing | It doesent accept connections |
| 22:33.47 | specing | It connects to a listening client |
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| 22:34.58 | Vasistha | specing: I meant for the listening client |
| 22:35.22 | specing | Vasistha: you can do anything you want |
| 22:35.33 | yagoo | i dont feel like installing nscd to flush dns, anyone knows a shortcut, like with /proc ? |
| 22:35.40 | yagoo | (flushing dns names on client) |
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| 22:36.32 | Vasistha | specing: hum it looks like ssh -R provides something similar. Thanks so much for getting me on track man |
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| 22:37.26 | hoverbear | Hey all, how can I add a script to be run on resume from sleep via pm-suspend? |
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| 22:39.47 | Vasistha | hoverbear: check /etc/pm/sleep.d |
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| 22:41.17 | hoverbear | Vasistha: Thanks! :) Thought I might have to modify pm-suspend. |
| 22:41.21 | hoverbear | Thank gosh i don't. |
| 22:41.29 | Vasistha | hoverbear: hah. no need. it's better than that :) |
| 22:42.01 | hoverbear | I can jsut drop a script in it? |
| 22:42.23 | Vasistha | hoverbear: let me know if that works out for you. I know I have it working myself and I'm pretty sure that's the way, but if it doesn't work for you then I might have some other ideas. To test I usually will put something like this into one of the scripts: date >>/tmp/somefile |
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| 22:42.50 | tharkun | yagoo: is your only problem ping delays? or is there something else you are experiencing? |
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| 22:42.54 | hoverbear | Vasistha: I'll give it a shot |
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| 22:44.35 | hoverbear | Vasistha: Think it works. i'll do futher testing later. :) |
| 22:44.42 | Vasistha | nice. |
| 22:44.58 | Vasistha | yeah of course you might not want to suspend just now haha |
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| 22:45.03 | hoverbear | I just did |
| 22:45.15 | hoverbear | I need to do more temperature measurements though before I'll be sure |
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| 22:45.27 | hoverbear | It's still sitting around 38 though so that's good |
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| 22:48.11 | drago | how to add user with password in one cmd? |
| 22:48.17 | hoverbear | Vasistha: (I'm attempting to set up some scripts to automatically handle my nvidia card so I don't have to power it off in bios, stupid optimus chipsets) |
| 22:48.33 | hoverbear | drago: Make a script :-P |
| 22:49.50 | Vasistha | drago: adduser doesn't have that capability because it is kind of unwise to have that command with the password floating around in the command history |
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| 22:50.54 | Vasistha | drago: please keep it in-channel |
| 22:51.04 | drago | Vasistha is prv8 |
| 22:51.06 | drago | query |
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| 22:52.03 | Vasistha | !PM |
| 22:52.04 | dpkg | hmm... pm is private message (something you don't do without asking for permission first, see <private>), or post meridiem, or prime minister, or perl mongers, or pathetic moron, or provocative/preventative/percussive maintenance, or power management (see <pm debug>) |
| 22:52.18 | Vasistha | !tell drago about private |
| 22:52.25 | hoverbear | So, there's no utility like in *buntu/mint like add-apt-repository? |
| 22:52.32 | hoverbear | !pm | drago |
| 22:52.35 | hoverbear | Hm |
| 22:52.40 | drago | not flood pzl |
| 22:52.52 | Vasistha | hoverbear: what does add-apt-repository do? |
| 22:53.02 | dondelelcaro | drago: you add the account, then later you use chpasswd |
| 22:53.05 | hoverbear | Vasistha: Add's an apt repository |
| 22:53.14 | gusto | hey |
| 22:53.20 | hoverbear | gusto: Hey beautiful |
| 22:53.21 | gusto | i have a lot of iwlagn crashes |
| 22:53.26 | Vasistha | hoverbear: just edit /etc/apt/sources.list or use /etc/apt/sources.d |
| 22:53.34 | dondelelcaro | hoverbear: you don't usually need to do that in Debian, so we don't ship anything to do that. |
| 22:53.36 | gusto | is there a place where i can report them? |
| 22:54.01 | dondelelcaro | gusto: if you're running the most recent kernel, then you can file bugs against the kernel. |
| 22:54.02 | hoverbear | Vasistha: Yar I just need to steal some stuff from an ubuntu launchpad and it has a ppa:foobar/boo url. |
| 22:54.12 | dondelelcaro | gusto: if you're not, then it's good form to see if you get them with a recent kernel |
| 22:54.20 | dondelelcaro | drago: please do not PM me. |
| 22:54.37 | hoverbear | dondelelcaro: iwlagn bugs are a bit different since it requires microcode which may be causing the issue which are outside of kernel |
| 22:54.54 | drago | dondele.. |
| 22:54.55 | dondelelcaro | hoverbear: yes, but the first step is to use a newer kernel |
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| 22:55.12 | Vasistha | drago: if you want help then you can ask in-channel |
| 22:55.56 | drago | drago> hello |
| 22:55.56 | drago | <drago> adduser example |
| 22:55.56 | drago | <drago> chpasswd ?? |
| 22:55.56 | drago | <drago> chpasswd example pass ? |
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| 22:56.09 | icedwater | Ouch. |
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| 22:56.33 | yagoo | tharkun, http://dpaste.com/664055/ << the difference between pinging acer64.localdomain and 192.168.1.89 is not apparent.. i will do an ethertap -- there's a 1-3 second delay between output lines for acer64.localdomain |
| 22:56.45 | Vasistha | ah yes, my other question- I am seeing a fs reporting disk full even though df reports there's plenty of space. Maybe it has run out of inodes? How do I check inode capacity? |
| 22:57.13 | dondelelcaro | drago: man chpasswd; for details, but echo foouser:barpass|chpasswd; [Though you really should be using FDs.] |
| 22:57.16 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: df -i |
| 22:57.26 | yagoo | says dam |
| 22:57.33 | Vasistha | excellent, thanks dondelelcaro |
| 22:57.34 | yagoo | tharkun, actually it says "time 10011ms" for the first part.. |
| 22:57.44 | yagoo | compare that to "1998ms" |
| 22:57.46 | tharkun | yagoo: Stil my question holds "is your only problem ping delays? or is there something else you are experiencing?" |
| 22:57.49 | yagoo | ^^^^^ |
| 22:57.58 | yagoo | tharkun, no other problem at all. |
| 22:58.29 | yagoo | tharkun, i've updated packages on this.. works very well-- it's only ping localhost names.. however pinging nslu2.localdomain << is fast. |
| 22:58.36 | yagoo | (nslu2.localdomain is the dns server) |
| 22:58.48 | tharkun | yagoo: live with it and go on. There might be a miriad stuff lurking in your network that will make pinging a pain. |
| 22:58.58 | yagoo | tharkun, you an ass? this could be a bug. |
| 22:59.18 | dondelelcaro | yagoo: then strace ping, and see precisely where it fails. You'll have to be root, though. |
| 22:59.28 | yagoo | dondelelcaro, ok.. will do |
| 22:59.45 | tharkun | refrains from answering yagoo again |
| 23:00.01 | Vasistha | drago: are you asking how to change a password? try man passwd |
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| 23:00.41 | dondelelcaro | yagoo: specifically, the output of sudo strace -tt ping foohost; |
| 23:00.56 | dondelelcaro | drago: again, please do not PM me. |
| 23:01.07 | dondelelcaro | drago: if you want assistance, you need to ask questions in this channel. |
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| 23:02.45 | Vasistha | any recommendations for a place I can use as an ssh middleman? |
| 23:02.50 | drago | we make it too long |
| 23:03.10 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: why in the world would you want that? |
| 23:03.18 | yagoo | dondelelcaro, i think i'm going to file a bug against ping.. i get "Illegal seek" with that strace -tt |
| 23:03.38 | dondelelcaro | yagoo: uh... are you running that as root? |
| 23:03.55 | yagoo | dondelelcaro, ya.. it says that in the strace |
| 23:04.01 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: I'd like to ssh to my Dad's computer but he's behind a firewall + NAT, and there are seemingly relevant instructions here: http://www.marksanborn.net/howto/bypass-firewall-and-nat-with-reverse-ssh-tunnel/ |
| 23:04.04 | yagoo | (i can post it) |
| 23:04.11 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: I wish there was a better way |
| 23:04.19 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: the better way is to use a VPN |
| 23:04.33 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: hmm, okay. I guess I'll look into that, thank you! |
| 23:04.45 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: assuming you have a publicly accessible machine that you can run the VPN on, anyway |
| 23:04.51 | dondelelcaro | yagoo: post the strace, then |
| 23:04.55 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: well, that I don't. |
| 23:05.01 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: gets back to my first question :P |
| 23:05.13 | karsten | Vasistha: does the firewall support port-forwarding onto his box? Is this a residential or office/work system? |
| 23:05.19 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: you can get one for $20/mo or so from linode or any of the other VPS providers |
| 23:05.28 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: alternatively, what karsten suggests will work too |
| 23:05.35 | tharkun | prgmr has some for $5 a month |
| 23:05.39 | Vasistha | karsten: it's residential, and ... well I guess I should look into it |
| 23:05.59 | dondelelcaro | (and if you have dyndns-able domains, you can probably still do a VPN) |
| 23:06.21 | Vasistha | I'm fairly certain that the last time I looked into it, the ISP blocks inbound port 22 generally |
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| 23:06.34 | bubu1uk | Vasistha: use different port |
| 23:06.35 | jhutchins_lt2 | Vasistha: A lot of routers these days will forward ports pretty simply. |
| 23:06.45 | karsten | Vasistha: Pick an arbitrary other port. |
| 23:07.09 | Vasistha | these all sound like great ideas. I guess I'd better drive over to Dad's and see if I can set this up so I can save time next time |
| 23:07.19 | jhutchins_lt2 | Vasistha: 22 would be odd for them to block. |
| 23:07.34 | Vasistha | jhutchins_lt2: ISPs are weird? |
| 23:07.49 | Vasistha | maybe I flubbed the test |
| 23:08.03 | Vasistha | anyway I'd better head over there, thanks guys |
| 23:08.05 | bubu1uk | Vasistha: check if you actually got public IP on router. I had to request one (1:1 NAT) from my Dad's ISP |
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| 23:08.59 | specing | Vasistha: http://freecode.com/projects/rrs |
| 23:09.00 | Vasistha | bubu1uk: I didn't quite understand that but I guess I will look into that as well |
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| 23:09.38 | bubu1uk | Vasistha: if you actually can reach router/computer from internet. |
| 23:09.55 | Vasistha | specing: yeah I guess that might end up being the easiest thing after all. I just hate dealing with packages that aren't in debian. At any rate I think I better go over there. |
| 23:10.11 | Vasistha | bubu1uk: ohh -- yeah, perhaps that is the entire issue. |
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| 23:13.32 | bmoloney | After recently updating some packages, I can no longer log in through GDM. The screen goes black for a second and then it goes back to the login screen. I can still login remotely (for example using SSH). Anyone seen similar issues? |
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| 23:18.08 | babilen | Benkinooby: There is #Netfilter |
| 23:18.39 | Benkinooby | babilen, k, thx |
| 23:18.45 | yagoo | dondelelcaro, it had to do with anything other than "files: hosts dns" ( i had entries with mdns ), is my /etc/nsswitch.conf file |
| 23:18.49 | bmoloney | I have eliminated graphics drivers as a cause, and there is not much showing up in auth.log |
| 23:19.25 | tharkun | Is there a simple way to add aditional workspaces on kde? |
| 23:19.56 | yagoo | dondelelcaro, actualyl it's "hosts: files dns" (previous was-> "hosts: files mdsn4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4") |
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| 23:20.35 | yagoo | dondelelcaro, ping was perfect now :).. thanks for making look into that.. saw that the nsswitch.conf was being opened up.. |
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| 23:22.46 | yagoo | tharkun, and no thanks to your arrogance. |
| 23:22.52 | yagoo | i figured it out without your help. |
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| 23:25.27 | [SE]DJ-C0L7 | has anyone managed to get bitpim working in ubuntu? |
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| 23:47.07 | [SE]DJ-C0L7 | i <3 apt-get xD |
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| 23:47.51 | cthuluh | [SE]DJ-C0L7: try aptitude ;) |
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| 23:51.12 | [SE]DJ-C0L7 | I got bitpim downloaded and installed |
| 23:51.23 | [SE]DJ-C0L7 | lol i just need to find a way to add a phone to it |
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| 23:53.01 | rudi_s | I solved my Debian GTX 570 loud fans issues, nvidia-settings can set the fan speed with --assign="[gpu:0]/GPUFanControlState=1" --assign="[fan:0]/GPUCurrentFanSpeed=x" where x is a number. |
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