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| 00:08.54 | bmoloney | Bah... GDM is fragile... One of my profile.d scripts used a bashism so it just fails to start sessions and gives no informative error messages... |
| 00:09.41 | [SE]DJ-C0L7 | anyone know of a better program than bitpim for recovering data from a damaged phone? |
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| 00:14.12 | [SE]DJ-C0L7 | anybody know anything about recovering data from a damaged cell phone? |
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| 00:23.01 | Vasistha | [SE]DJ-C0L7: I think there is probably a better channel to ask in |
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| 00:23.21 | [SE]DJ-C0L7 | possibly |
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| 00:25.50 | [SE]DJ-C0L7 | i think i found it |
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| 00:53.01 | twiggz | MacIrssi 0.8.6.6 (Core: irssi 0.8.14) - http://www.sysctl.co.uk/projects/macirssi/ |
| 00:53.12 | JodaZ_ | so i added the debian-multimedia.org repo, how would i go about removing all packages i have installed from there ? |
| 00:53.36 | twiggz | will debian run on this macbook pro? |
| 00:53.48 | twiggz | its intel based, core i7, 4gb ram |
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| 00:55.59 | somiaj | JodaZ_: you can use aptitude to search for packages from a paticular repo |
| 00:58.36 | xuser | twiggz: it will run but will everything work out the of box? don't know |
| 00:58.59 | somiaj | acutally wait, I guess you can only search archive, such as 'unstable'. JodaZ_ http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html is useful. Maybe you can search by matianer, or origin |
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| 00:59.33 | somiaj | JodaZ_: seems aptitude search !?origin(deban) will find packags not from the debian archive. |
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| 01:05.15 | Raccoon1400 | anyone know how I can turn on my dell wireless card? The keyboard shortcut does not work in linux |
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| 01:05.41 | somiaj | Raccoon1400: look into rfkill |
| 01:06.05 | Raccoon1400 | I just installed that, but can't get it to do anything |
| 01:06.13 | Raccoon1400 | how to I use it to turn on the card |
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| 01:07.05 | somiaj | not sure, but if its a software kill switch, it might be abled to be used with rfkill |
| 01:07.25 | somiaj | there is a package called 'rfkill' you could lookinto, read about and/or install |
| 01:07.54 | Raccoon1400 | I installed the package but can't get it to do anything |
| 01:08.45 | somiaj | Raccoon1400: have you read the man page, 'rfkill list' should list all devices and tell you about teh switch |
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| 01:09.12 | Raccoon1400 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:12.51 | Raccoon1400 | rfkill list gives nothing |
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| 01:14.26 | somiaj | why do you think your wireless kill switch is on? does 'ifconfig -a' show your wireless device? |
| 01:14.47 | somiaj | have you installed the non-free firmware (if needed) for your wireless card? |
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| 01:15.38 | Raccoon1400 | I may need firmware, how to I find out what I need |
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| 01:16.05 | Kazuhiro | Anyone ever seen a KVM guests on a Debian host take a long time to bootup? |
| 01:16.10 | somiaj | figure out what your wireless card is, look at the debian wiki. See if there are any errors about firmware in 'dmesg' |
| 01:17.27 | jancsika | i updated wheezy yesterday, and now when i log in to gnome the nm-applet no longer saves the wireless password and prompts me for it. how do i get it to save the password again? |
| 01:18.16 | somiaj | jancsika: if you run testing learn to use the BTS -- I think these are known issues with the gnome keyring |
| 01:18.39 | somiaj | jancsika: oh this is just network manager, still check the bts. |
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| 01:24.31 | JodaZ_ | so my gcc is refusing to link a file |
| 01:28.57 | dioz | is it in a union? |
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| 01:31.39 | Raccoon1400 | how do I get a module to load on boot? |
| 01:32.18 | cthuluh | add it to /etc/modules |
| 01:32.59 | cthuluh | (on the other hand, it is quite possible you don't need that) |
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| 01:38.05 | Raccoon1400 | the wiki says I need proprietary driver and or firmware for the intel 2200 wireless, where do I get said driver? |
| 01:38.30 | cthuluh | what does the wiki say? |
| 01:39.02 | frigo | is there a way to get the output of /dev/ttyUSB0 to write into a text file ? |
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| 01:39.27 | Raccoon1400 | it doesn't say anything more specific |
| 01:39.50 | Raccoon1400 | isn't there a program for installing proprietary drivers, what is it called? |
| 01:40.42 | zerobyte | Raccoon1400 Debian isn't Windows :X |
| 01:40.55 | cthuluh | nor is it ubuntu |
| 01:41.02 | Raccoon1400 | in ubuntu there was a restricted software manager thingy |
| 01:41.03 | cthuluh | Raccoon1400: link? |
| 01:41.17 | Raccoon1400 | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi#PCI_Devices |
| 01:41.40 | cthuluh | Raccoon1400: iwlwifi? |
| 01:41.51 | zerobyte | cthuluh Ubuntu is a Debian clon |
| 01:41.52 | zerobyte | ¬¬ |
| 01:42.12 | cthuluh | but debian doesn't have jockey or whatever it was called |
| 01:42.30 | somiaj | Raccoon1400: what is your device? |
| 01:42.39 | Raccoon1400 | intel 2200bg |
| 01:42.47 | cthuluh | Raccoon1400: on this page, there are hypertext links ; try clicking on them |
| 01:43.14 | somiaj | Raccoon1400: http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 -- tells you excatlly what to install, how to add the non-free repo and so on |
| 01:43.39 | cthuluh | Raccoon1400: or, of course, you can wait for other people clicking on them :) |
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| 01:43.52 | cthuluh | (welcome back in #ubuntu :P) |
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| 01:46.22 | jancsika | somiaj: i see bug #578587 from April 2010, but nm-applet remembered my pwds until the update yesterday. Do i need to add a comment to that bug or open a new one? |
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| 01:46.45 | somiaj | jancsika: well maybe its the same, maybe it isn't. Try to track down why it isn't saving your passwords. |
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| 01:48.28 | somiaj | jancsika: but if you can verify that it is indeed the same bug, yes you can send another comment to that bug report |
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| 01:50.44 | Raccoon1400 | I have all the repos they ask for added and it can't find the firmware package |
| 01:51.36 | Raccoon1400 | wait... |
| 01:51.41 | Raccoon1400 | better get the ethernet cable |
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| 01:53.35 | jancsika | somiaj: gnome-keyring-daemon is running and starts up automatically when i log in. is there a log file that might have some hints? |
| 01:54.01 | somiaj | if you can't find the firmware packge you are either typing it in wrong or are missing the correct repo |
| 01:54.04 | somiaj | Raccoon1400: ^^ |
| 01:54.25 | somiaj | jancsika: there have been lots of bugreports about the gnome-keyring-daemon not working correctly. I am unsure of nm uses it or not as I don't use either. |
| 01:55.24 | somiaj | jancsika: welcome to the world of testing...most would suggest you use stable to avoid these thigns. Also check out #debian-next or irc.debian.org (offical debian irc network) -- that is the prefered place for testing support |
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| 01:58.30 | Raccoon1400 | installed the firmware, but it doesn't help turn on the card it's self |
| 01:59.07 | Raccoon1400 | there is a light that is supposed to come on, and there is a keyboard shortcut to turn the card on and off, which doesnt work in linux |
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| 01:59.38 | somiaj | Raccoon1400: you will have to unload (rmmode) and reload (modprobe) the module to get it to reload the module with the firmware |
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| 02:00.53 | Raccoon1400 | rebooted and it is working (even though I unloaded the module) |
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| 02:01.08 | Raccoon1400 | light still doesn't come on but that doesnt matter |
| 02:01.09 | somiaj | what does dmesg say, do you see the card in 'ifconfig -a' yet? |
| 02:01.26 | somiaj | there are errors/info about what is going on you can look for |
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| 02:03.07 | jancsika | somiaj: thanks for the input. |
| 02:03.16 | Raccoon1400 | it shows up now, I just connected. All is good. Thanks for the help |
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| 02:04.19 | somiaj | jancsika: yerwelcome. (: |
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| 02:13.55 | blawiz | does the debian package system get newer versions faster than debian? |
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| 02:15.38 | stew | blawiz: what does that mean? what is the "debian package system" vs "debian"? |
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| 02:17.05 | blawiz | ups, meant ubuntu :) |
| 02:17.14 | blawiz | Steaven`, |
| 02:17.16 | blawiz | stew |
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| 02:29.23 | mosno | blawiz, you could compare the debian-devel-changes and debian-experimental-changes mailing lists to whatever ubuntu use to announce updates... |
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| 02:31.27 | yagoo | i'm tryign out exim.. and can't quite pickup something.. if i choose the unsplit configuration do I then avoid using the update-exim4.conf command? |
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| 02:32.52 | Dulak | yagoo: what's the end goal? having an MTA that is easy to configure? some functionality that you current MTA lacks? |
| 02:34.02 | yagoo | Dulak, all i need is 1 line entry. It's a f simple question. |
| 02:34.15 | Dulak | right, well g'luck with it. |
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| 02:34.19 | yagoo | (and i know what line entry i have to put, but not where) |
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| 02:34.29 | yagoo | Dulak, you sound trollish man |
| 02:34.49 | Dulak | Yup, because I tried to find out what 'trying exim' meant |
| 02:34.52 | yagoo | debian's config of exim is unique.. i can't ask #exim |
| 02:34.59 | Dulak | Makes me trollish. |
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| 02:36.21 | yagoo | Dulak, it's a f simple question. Obviously you don't know what a Y/N is. You might as well not answer. |
| 02:36.43 | Dulak | yagoo: you're right, the answer is use postfix. |
| 02:36.51 | Dulak | yagoo: g'day. |
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| 02:37.23 | yagoo | is awaiting his exim book. Glad he is. |
| 02:37.26 | yagoo | pff |
| 02:37.44 | yagoo | good day. Thanks.. that exim is definitely worth the buy thanks to community supporters like Dulak. |
| 02:37.58 | yagoo | 50 bucks exim book worth the money imho. |
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| 02:38.23 | Dulak | Yeah, or you could switch to an MTA that doesn't require a $50 book to configure correctly. |
| 02:38.34 | Dulak | Your choice, mr genius. |
| 02:38.38 | yagoo | Dulak, i prefer to read the book than listening to a sarcastic helper like you. |
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| 02:39.40 | Dulak | Try to save a guy hours of grief and they spit on you. |
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| 02:46.18 | abstrusenick | how to install libqt4 version 4.6.3? |
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| 02:47.07 | ChibaPet | apt-get install libqt4-dev |
| 02:47.20 | ChibaPet | 4.6.3 is the version that ships with Debian Squeeze |
| 02:47.50 | abstrusenick | I'm using Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 |
| 02:48.01 | ChibaPet | Oh, hm. Checking backports, brb. |
| 02:48.14 | abstrusenick | and the latest QT version is 4.4.3 |
| 02:48.18 | abstrusenick | any way to update it? |
| 02:49.31 | ChibaPet | Ah, I'm not seeing that in backports. I think you'll likely have to do it by hand. Maybe look at the Stow utility, and install in /usr/local/stow/qt4.6.3 with links into /usr/local |
| 02:49.53 | ChibaPet | That might not work with precooked packages linked against /usr/local. Not sure what your use case is. |
| 02:50.41 | abstrusenick | do you know any guide to compile it? |
| 02:55.56 | stew | abstrusenick: 5.0 is the older version of debian which is going to be marked "end of life" in a few months. Debian made a newer release of 6.0 in february, Is there a reason you don't upgrade to the current version of debian? |
| 02:56.22 | abstrusenick | its a production server |
| 02:56.30 | abstrusenick | i do not maintain it actually |
| 02:56.38 | abstrusenick | the QT is gonna be used just for a ruby gem |
| 02:57.21 | stew | abstrusenick: well, in february your production server will stop getting security fixes |
| 02:57.52 | stew | abstrusenick: this is a production server where you are doing new development? |
| 02:58.05 | abstrusenick | yes |
| 02:58.10 | abstrusenick | but I'm just a vendor |
| 02:58.25 | abstrusenick | do not own the server |
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| 03:04.14 | karlpinc_ | Something has been left on my keyboard pressing keys, probably for hours. Now balsa (email app) seems to be having spasims. I don't suppose there's a way to clear the input buffer? |
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| 03:09.58 | ChibaPet | abstrusenick, there should be some docs with the source package, for how to build it |
| 03:10.05 | cesurasean | trying to boot from a netinstall business card on a dell poweredge 4600, and i know the CD works because i tested in other machines.....it says booting by alvin, etc,,, and then it says Unknown Keyword or something |
| 03:10.30 | cesurasean | im also getting error 0400 reading sector |
| 03:10.53 | cesurasean | anyone have any ideas? Windows loads JUST FINE every time! using 2003 or XP disc!!!! |
| 03:11.48 | cesurasean | can this machine just not handle squeeze?! |
| 03:12.02 | ChibaPet | cesurasean, sometimes (rarely) you can write a CD that will only read on some drives. You might have one of those. Personally, I use USB thumb drives most of the time nowadays. Makes it easier to update them anyway - less plastic waste. |
| 03:12.37 | anonymous44 | cesurasean: I have had this issue where a cd works on some drives and not on others |
| 03:12.59 | ChibaPet | I'm guessing it's an unhappy interaction with the physical media, but I might be wrong - but trying a thumb drive isn't a bad idea. I'm not sure if the poweredge 4600 can boot them or not, but you have to have a fairly ancient machine to not boot one. |
| 03:13.26 | cesurasean | then it goes to a boot: prompt. can i do anything here to make the installer start up? |
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| 03:14.16 | ChibaPet | Have you checked the BIOS to see that the CD is available as a boot device, and that it shows up first? |
| 03:14.16 | anonymous44 | cesurasean: is the boot prompt the grub prompt or the OS? if the OS, hitting enter should start setup |
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| 03:15.24 | Justin | cesurasean: it would help if you could tell people what is actually on the screen and not "or something" |
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| 03:16.25 | cesurasean | the machine is booting off the cd just fine...... just stops during reading it with errors |
| 03:16.37 | cesurasean | it just says boot: |
| 03:16.44 | cesurasean | after all those errrors |
| 03:16.51 | ChibaPet | Do you see GRUB load? |
| 03:16.57 | cesurasean | error 0400 reading sector |
| 03:17.00 | cesurasean | NO |
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| 03:17.05 | cesurasean | nothing is installed yet |
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| 03:17.07 | Justin | cesurasean: get a new CD |
| 03:17.09 | anonymous44 | cesurasean: sounds like the physical media (CD) not liking the cd reader |
| 03:17.19 | ChibaPet | ...or a thumb drive |
| 03:17.20 | cesurasean | what does edd error 0400 reading sector mean? the cdrom drive is bad? or the media? |
| 03:17.38 | anonymous44 | cesurasean: try writing the cd with sao or tao (the other one that was not used on the cd that is not working) |
| 03:17.56 | ChibaPet | http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=error+0400+reading+sector&l=1 |
| 03:17.58 | Justin | or just use a usb disk or netboot |
| 03:18.05 | cesurasean | what is sao or tao? |
| 03:18.08 | anonymous44 | Justin: he is trying to use netboot |
| 03:18.33 | cesurasean | im using a 50mb business card, couldnt find 650s for this machine... heh. |
| 03:18.35 | anonymous44 | cesurasean: the types of burns, it is present in most burning software, e.g. brasero, etc. |
| 03:18.36 | cesurasean | maybe just cheap media |
| 03:18.47 | Justin | anonymous44: try again |
| 03:18.52 | cesurasean | how do you suggest i burn the iso then? |
| 03:19.00 | Dulak | He said the cd boots fine on another machine |
| 03:19.14 | cesurasean | yes and windows 2003 and xp cds work FINE all the time |
| 03:19.33 | Justin | cesurasean: you've said that already. |
| 03:19.37 | cesurasean | :) |
| 03:20.17 | Justin | cesurasean: try a different cd. use a usb disk. use pxe. just stop repeating yourself |
| 03:20.47 | anonymous44 | cesurasean: if your computer is older than 2003 or 2004, it should boot from USB disk |
| 03:21.01 | Justin | anonymous44: try again |
| 03:21.27 | cesurasean | i cant use USB. this machine too old. just tried |
| 03:21.49 | cesurasean | and i upgraded the bios today |
| 03:22.13 | ChibaPet | I'd try burning a new disk - on different media if you can, on another from the same stack if you can't. |
| 03:22.42 | Artemis3 | change cd drive... |
| 03:22.43 | cesurasean | i cant find 650 cdrs. went to 10 stores today.... |
| 03:23.00 | Justin | cesurasean: do you have a fast internet connection? |
| 03:23.03 | cesurasean | yeah right. i wonder if i can find a new cd drive for this...... |
| 03:23.10 | cesurasean | or hook up an IDE to it. |
| 03:23.20 | cesurasean | yes fast internet |
| 03:23.35 | uiopqwer | i want to save all my firefox plugins, gnome settings, bookmarks, bashrc, and some applications, so that i can quickly get set up after a fresh install. can i place everything in a deb package, so that everything gets unpacked and all the applications get installed from apt? or is that not what deb packages are for? |
| 03:23.51 | cesurasean | perhaps im using the wrong arch for this machine? |
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| 03:24.00 | cesurasean | since it does have some 64 bit features? |
| 03:24.01 | ChibaPet | I may be wrong, but the maximum cap of the CD shouldn't matter. You're reading from the beginning. I don't think there are narrower tracks or anything odd like that - I believe they're adding tracks to the outer ring of the CD. |
| 03:24.09 | ChibaPet | so use 700s or something |
| 03:24.20 | Justin | cesurasean: if it had 64bit features it would be able to boot from usb |
| 03:24.23 | cesurasean | i have been using 700's with no luck |
| 03:24.27 | ChibaPet | hm |
| 03:24.32 | Artemis3 | cesurasean, that looks like the two giant pieces of junk i have at me feet right now... yes its a vulgar ide/pata drive, you can hook up a dvdrom even :P |
| 03:24.35 | Justin | cesurasean: are you burning the disk at like 50x or something? |
| 03:24.36 | anonymous44 | uiopqwer: you can search your apt archive for the *.deb files and zip the files in your /home directory that you want to save |
| 03:25.00 | cesurasean | what arch do i need for PE 4600? |
| 03:25.03 | cesurasean | i386? |
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| 03:25.21 | anonymous44 | cesurasean: typically i386 works on most |
| 03:25.37 | cesurasean | lol |
| 03:25.41 | uiopqwer | anonymous44: awesome! thanks for the tip |
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| 03:26.11 | Justin | anonymous44: http://boot.rit.edu |
| 03:26.42 | Justin | that ISO is all of 600K |
| 03:27.10 | anonymous44 | Justin: that is awesome, cesurasean could boot from floppy that way |
| 03:27.13 | Artemis3 | cesurasean, actually, that thing looks quite recent.. 2.4ghz xeons... (unlike the junk here) |
| 03:27.18 | cesurasean | will NERO work good enough if i slow down the speed of the write? |
| 03:27.24 | Justin | they have floppy images too |
| 03:27.28 | cesurasean | maybe it can only handle 24x and im writing at 50x? |
| 03:27.35 | cesurasean | the drive can only handle 24x |
| 03:27.48 | cesurasean | floppy images of squeeze? |
| 03:27.58 | Justin | no, the floppy image of gpxe |
| 03:28.07 | cesurasean | what does that do? |
| 03:28.13 | Justin | grr |
| 03:28.20 | Artemis3 | really cesurasean just open the thing and plug another cdrom and try |
| 03:28.21 | Justin | cesurasean: http://boot.rit.edu |
| 03:28.45 | cesurasean | does the PE 4600 have an IDE channel? |
| 03:28.51 | Justin | it's normally boot.kernel.org but that's down |
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| 03:29.41 | cesurasean | Justin, so try using the gpxe iso cdrom to boot to? |
| 03:30.28 | Artemis3 | it even has a floppy if you want to start a netinstall... |
| 03:30.45 | Artemis3 | and pxe... |
| 03:31.55 | Justin | cesurasean: it boots off the internet and lets you install whatever you want |
| 03:32.04 | cesurasean | yah but does the pe 4600 have ide channel? |
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| 03:32.12 | cesurasean | what kind of cdrom is this anyways? scsi? |
| 03:32.30 | cesurasean | Justin, so i can use this to boot to debian squeeze and install it? |
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| 03:33.46 | Justin | cesurasean: yes |
| 03:33.56 | Justin | or like 5 other distributions |
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| 03:34.09 | cesurasean | sweet |
| 03:34.17 | cesurasean | ill try it Justin, thx |
| 03:35.11 | Justin | id burn that thing at like 1x |
| 03:36.09 | Justin | oh actually lol... |
| 03:36.26 | Justin | it looks like that thing hasnt been updated in a while, they only have up to squeeze |
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| 03:36.29 | Justin | er, lenny |
| 03:37.26 | Justin | how annoying :( |
| 03:38.08 | cesurasean | im burning at 4x |
| 03:38.17 | cesurasean | lenny is fine |
| 03:38.24 | cesurasean | ill update to squeeze from it, if i can get it to work |
| 03:38.28 | cesurasean | thanks for all yall help |
| 03:38.31 | cesurasean | ill figure out a work around |
| 03:38.32 | cesurasean | thanks! |
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| 03:45.00 | moyoy1 | Hey, which distro do you guys recommend to a person with moderate linux experience? |
| 03:45.06 | moyoy1 | Just not ubuntu.. |
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| 03:45.29 | dvs | moyoy1: and you ask in a #debian channel? |
| 03:45.31 | Dulak | moyoy1: desktop or server? |
| 03:45.43 | moyoy1 | Desktop |
| 03:45.43 | MrFrood | moyoy1: what is this channel called? |
| 03:46.04 | ChibaPet | moyoy1, I don't know about everyone else in here, but I'd maybe try Debian. |
| 03:46.17 | moyoy1 | debian... I thought that was the underlying structure of many linux OS's |
| 03:46.19 | moyoy1 | lol, sorry. |
| 03:46.34 | Dulak | moyoy1: what desktop do you prefer? gnome, kde, something else? |
| 03:46.52 | moyoy1 | Well I liked gnome before their most recent change |
| 03:46.58 | moyoy1 | Now it's just completely dumbed down |
| 03:47.13 | ChibaPet | moyoy1, being in the same boat, I jumped to Xfce and am quite happy with it after some initial struggles to get comfortable. |
| 03:47.23 | Dulak | moyoy1: then debian, or perhaps linux mint debian |
| 03:47.35 | MrFrood | moyoy1: debain stable is still using gnome2 |
| 03:47.58 | moyoy1 | Oooh... MrFrood, that makes debian sound attractive |
| 03:48.14 | Dulak | moyoy1: that's debian squeeze |
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| 03:48.51 | moyoy1 | Okay, I'll check that out. Thanks, everyone |
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| 03:53.03 | Dulak | Mint is putting much of the gnome2 functionality I need into gnome 3, I'm thinking I'll be trying the debian flavor soon on my laptop. |
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| 04:02.25 | rypervenche | ChibaPet: Ditto. It didn't take me long to get used to Xfce. I like it now, even though it's not very pretty. It gets the job done nicely. |
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| 04:03.03 | ChibaPet | It can be pretty if you give it a bit of tweaking. |
| 04:03.15 | ooldirty | indeed. or compiz/emerald :p |
| 04:03.17 | jordanm | rypervenche: it can be pretty. most gtk themes for gnome work in xfce |
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| 04:03.56 | rypervenche | jordanm: Yeah, I had to download a theme. It took me forever to realize that there were themes to be downloaded >< |
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| 04:05.33 | jordanm | this is my old compiz/emerald approach: http://linuxgen.com/debian/Screenshot-19.png |
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| 04:06.13 | lfamorim | Hello! Someone here know about udev permissions on Debian 6? |
| 04:06.41 | zerobyte | jordanm what's that with the Windows XP icon? :O |
| 04:06.49 | lfamorim | I having a lot of issues to use Android SDK, google haven't helped me |
| 04:07.34 | jordanm | zerobyte: vbox vm. that job at the time I had to service windows machines, and it was useful for testing |
| 04:07.56 | jordanm | lfamorim: there are android development channels on freenode |
| 04:08.00 | zerobyte | ah ok |
| 04:08.14 | jordanm | #android maybe, I don't recall exactly |
| 04:08.28 | jordanm | zerobyte: I have upgraded to 100% linux job since :) |
| 04:08.31 | lfamorim | jordanm, they said probaly here as a better place to ask |
| 04:08.36 | anonymous44 | lfamorim: does this url help? http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
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| 04:10.42 | lfamorim | anonymous44, not much, seems like the commands has been changed |
| 04:11.19 | lfamorim | anonymous44, udev generates logs? |
| 04:12.40 | anonymous44 | lfamorim: not too sure, i am not a programmer so do not interface often with udev |
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| 04:13.21 | jordanm | lfamorim: you still haven't explained the problem |
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| 04:14.05 | anonymous44 | jordanm: lfamorim is looking for the new commands for udev in debian 6 |
| 04:14.19 | somiaj | Do you need any device nodes in the static /dev on the root partition, or does udev take care of this (I have an old /dev from before the switch to udev - trying to figure out what files I can delete) |
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| 04:14.43 | stew | jordanm: the problem is that he needs udev rules so that when he attaches his phone via usb, he can as an unprivilieged user, send stuff to the phone with adb |
| 04:14.50 | stew | (just a guess) |
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| 04:14.54 | jordanm | anonymous44: I believe his real goal is to get the android sdk to work, not learn udev commands |
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| 04:15.46 | lfamorim | http://pastebin.com/NYA7V5cK |
| 04:16.57 | lfamorim | stew, exactly, but if I know a little more about udev I think I can do that |
| 04:17.27 | lfamorim | the commands seems match with usb idVendor and idProduct |
| 04:18.14 | stew | lfamorim: you might add a SYMLINK+="myphone" or something so you can look specifically for the appearence of /dev/myphone |
| 04:18.26 | stew | lfamorim: and run "udevadm trigger" to test your rule |
| 04:18.32 | lfamorim | I'm really disheartened |
| 04:18.50 | lfamorim | stew, thank you! |
| 04:20.31 | stew | lfamorim: and i'm not sure if you need to 'adb kill-server' before adb will pick up the new permissions once you have it working |
| 04:20.36 | lfamorim | http://pastebin.com/index/NYA7V5cK =/ |
| 04:20.42 | lfamorim | I'm tried that |
| 04:20.44 | lfamorim | =/ |
| 04:21.33 | lfamorim | seems like udev doesn't like me |
| 04:21.54 | Justin | lfamorim: have you tried unpluggign the phone and plugging it back in? |
| 04:21.59 | lfamorim | yes |
| 04:22.43 | Justin | restarting udev? |
| 04:22.49 | lfamorim | yes |
| 04:22.52 | Justin | when does udev re-read its configuration exactly? |
| 04:22.59 | lfamorim | restart udev, unplug plug phone, ... |
| 04:23.23 | lfamorim | I'm think maybe udev is not reading my file |
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| 04:23.42 | lfamorim | But I can't have sure |
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| 04:24.52 | Justin | lfamorim: ls -l the rules file? |
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| 04:26.03 | Justin | also, the example google has just has the vendor, not the product |
| 04:26.22 | Justin | SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR{idVendor}=="04e8", MODE="0666", GROUP="plugdev" |
| 04:27.25 | lfamorim | hum |
| 04:27.28 | lfamorim | =p |
| 04:27.36 | lfamorim | and ATTR has no S |
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| 04:28.21 | lfamorim | but still not working =/ |
| 04:28.33 | Justin | try both? one should work :) |
| 04:28.54 | stew | lfamorim: SUBSYSTEMS should be SUBSYSTEM and ATTRS should be ATTR |
| 04:29.05 | lfamorim | work! |
| 04:29.09 | stew | oh, i see you guys already figured this out :) |
| 04:29.30 | lfamorim | with GROUP="plugdev" runs ok |
| 04:29.34 | Justin | stew: what exactly is the difference? |
| 04:29.49 | stew | Justin: the lack of extra S? |
| 04:30.01 | Justin | yes, what does the S mean? |
| 04:30.13 | stew | it means "ignore me becuase I am invalid" |
| 04:30.17 | stew | afaict |
| 04:30.21 | lfamorim | =O |
| 04:30.23 | Justin | no.. |
| 04:30.27 | Justin | ATTRS is a thing |
| 04:31.33 | Justin | grep ATTRS /lib/udev/rules.d/* |
| 04:32.23 | Justin | found this reference "SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent device" |
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| 04:33.14 | stew | oh |
| 04:33.25 | stew | i should probably reread the nonexistant documentation |
| 04:34.05 | Justin | tell me about it:) |
| 04:34.21 | Justin | actually, it's in the udev man page |
| 04:34.22 | Justin | :) |
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| 04:34.59 | Justin | either way, it seems like ATTR is the appropriate option |
| 04:35.21 | stew | its the thing that made it work for me :) (this was actually on my todo list :)) |
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| 04:43.39 | Raccoon1400 | I am trying to install libdvdcss. I got the package for i386, when I try to install it says it needs the package multiarch-support my computer is i686 |
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| 04:44.41 | wallee | on windows, i mask as '255.255.255.0', gate '172.17.236.254', dns '172.16.2.15', then add a .pac file http://proxy.oa.chinaunionpay.com:8081/accelerated_pac_base.pac to IE auto proxy |
| 04:44.48 | wallee | how can i do this in debian? |
| 04:44.56 | wallee | but i just use debian netinst |
| 04:45.07 | wallee | so i need to setting network |
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| 04:46.09 | anonymous44 | Raccoon1400: you could also compile from source code |
| 04:46.12 | chrissbx | Hello. Somehow whatever package I try to build now with dpkg-buildpackage -j4 is *not* taking advantage of SMP; I think it was different in the past; why is this? And what can I do to make my builds faster? |
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| 04:46.48 | wallee | any one can help me? |
| 04:47.52 | anonymous44 | wallee: if you go to System -> Preferences -> Network Proxy, you can place proxy URLs there |
| 04:48.10 | wallee | anonymous44: i have no gui |
| 04:48.17 | wallee | anonymous44: i'm only after install debian |
| 04:48.55 | anonymous44 | wallee: do you know the proxy settings in the pac file? |
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| 04:49.09 | Guest79422 | wallee: man interfaces |
| 04:49.32 | wallee | anonymous44: function FindProxyForURL(url,host) { if(dnsDomainIs(host,"cupnet.unionpay.com") || dnsDomainIs(host,"online.unionpay.com") || dnsDomainIs(host,"xmas.unionpay.com") || dnsDomainIs(host,"62.unionpay.com")) return "PROXY 172.16.1.53:8080;PROXY 172.16.1.54:8080"; else if(isPlainHostName(host) || dnsDomainIs(host,".oa.unionpay.com") || dnsDomainIs(host,".unionpay.com")) return "D |
| 04:49.44 | anonymous44 | Raccoon1400: the source code you are looking for is here: http://freecode.com/projects/libdvdcss |
| 04:49.54 | wallee | Guest79422: ? eth0 |
| 04:50.06 | wallee | !paste |
| 04:50.06 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
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| 04:50.47 | anonymous44 | wallee: you could set the proxy of w3m using those I believe, are you familiar with w3m? |
| 04:51.12 | MaXim_ | 2/buffer 9 |
| 04:51.16 | MaXim_ | oops |
| 04:51.18 | wallee | anonymous44: no |
| 04:51.38 | wallee | anonymous44: i paste here http://paste.debian.net/147645 |
| 04:52.06 | wallee | anonymous44: i want to setting network, then i can use apt to update my system, then i can use gui or google-chrome |
| 04:52.18 | anonymous44 | wallee: okay, w3m is a web browser for terminal use, you can set the proxy for that web browser |
| 04:52.32 | wallee | anonymous44: but how can i setting for atp? |
| 04:52.34 | wallee | anonymous44: but how can i setting for apt |
| 04:53.06 | anonymous44 | wallee: let me research a little, and I would be glad to walk you through setting the proxy for debian through terminal |
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| 04:53.28 | wallee | anonymous44: :-) thanks vvv much |
| 04:54.57 | anonymous44 | walle: try this: export HTTP_PROXY="proxy:port" in the terminal (from here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=30847) where the host proxy for you is 172.16.1.53 and the port 8080 |
| 04:55.27 | anonymous44 | walle: then try to perform a 'sudo apt-get update' and see if it succeeds |
| 04:57.12 | cesurasean | fuck. can't get either cdr to load now! and i had problems before with the diskette not wanting to load on this PE 4600. do you think its a bad diskette/cdrom combo? i seen they sell for 10 dollars on ebay right now... should i just replace? |
| 04:57.29 | cesurasean | BUT windows disks load FINE! is that because it's professional burned? |
| 04:57.40 | cesurasean | plus under 650 MB of space? |
| 04:57.55 | cesurasean | i reset the NVRAM, the whole nine yards... |
| 04:57.57 | anonymous44 | cesurasean: it could be the method of burn (e.g. sao, tao), did you try the floppy method? |
| 04:58.10 | cesurasean | which floppy method? |
| 04:58.21 | anonymous44 | cesurasean: the one Justin recommended, the gxpe i believe |
| 04:58.35 | cesurasean | i don't know what sao, or tao is. i just used nero at lowest speed, but these are CRAP quality disks from china or some shit |
| 04:58.44 | wallee | anonymous44: thanks! 'walle' is my old nick name, now is 'wallee' is registe forever |
| 04:58.57 | anonymous44 | wallee: did that work?!? |
| 04:59.00 | cesurasean | no i did not try gxpe, because it doesnt seem to load any other disk besides windows and i have 1 50mb disk left!!!! |
| 04:59.02 | cesurasean | lol |
| 04:59.19 | wallee | anonymous44: let me try |
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| 04:59.26 | anonymous44 | cesurasean: in nero, in the burn settings, you can change the method to sao or tao, try to find that in the nero options, its in k3m and brasero in linux as well |
| 04:59.57 | cesurasean | i couldnt find it. looked. |
| 05:00.04 | cesurasean | couldnt ven change the speed of write from 4x to 1x lol |
| 05:00.10 | cesurasean | BUT |
| 05:00.20 | cesurasean | im not getting those errors anymore on the debian disk i have |
| 05:00.25 | cesurasean | it's not ven loading the disk |
| 05:00.31 | cesurasean | just says no medium or some shit to boot |
| 05:01.26 | cesurasean | i even had problems loading the 1.44 floppy i copied from Dell's utility i think 1 time to flash the bios |
| 05:01.39 | cesurasean | for SOME reason someone chunked this machine. |
| 05:01.52 | cesurasean | that's apparent. it's too powerful for 20 dollars. |
| 05:02.04 | cesurasean | i could part it out for like 200-300 easy |
| 05:02.29 | cesurasean | i checkd and the cdrom/diskette is like a small scsi cable |
| 05:02.38 | cesurasean | could the cable itself be bad? :D |
| 05:02.57 | cesurasean | keep in mind the drive readers windows disks FINE |
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| 05:03.19 | cesurasean | this is the 2nd dell machine server ive seen do this |
| 05:03.37 | cesurasean | is it something dell has done to prevent the linux kernel besides what they did support ( RHEL )? |
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| 05:04.28 | cesurasean | this machine COULD use 32 GB of ram. DEBIAN SHOULD SUPPORT IT! |
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| 05:06.03 | cesurasean | and i can't even get windows 2003 installed cause it wants the scsi drivers first. hahahaha. bombs out with some error.... |
| 05:06.21 | cesurasean | could this be a SCSI controller error? |
| 05:06.28 | nevyn | what's the problem? |
| 05:06.32 | nevyn | does the installer complete? |
| 05:06.40 | cesurasean | doesn't even start |
| 05:06.45 | nevyn | right. |
| 05:06.53 | cesurasean | SOMETIMES the machine says can't load or boot from media or whatever, then |
| 05:06.54 | nevyn | have you configured the raid? |
| 05:07.03 | cesurasean | sometims it says Peter Alvin, etc Debian 6 or whatever |
| 05:07.06 | cesurasean | and stops |
| 05:07.06 | nevyn | have you installed this class of machine before? |
| 05:07.14 | cesurasean | at ONE point it was going to a boot: prompt |
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| 05:07.21 | cesurasean | after some errors |
| 05:07.24 | cesurasean | reading sectors |
| 05:07.30 | cesurasean | is that sectors on the cd drive itself? |
| 05:07.47 | cesurasean | no, this is my first of it's kind... |
| 05:07.49 | anonymou144 | cesurasean: back, driver error caused kernel panic |
| 05:08.06 | cesurasean | i just know it's still a good machine with dual 1.8 xeon, 4 power supplies, and 8 hard drives. :) |
| 05:08.23 | cesurasean | so, you think it's a kernel panic upon load of setup? |
| 05:08.40 | cesurasean | is this because of the hardware dell used to build this? |
| 05:08.42 | anonymou144 | cesurasean: no, i had a kernel panic, sorry |
| 05:08.58 | nevyn | sigh. |
| 05:09.09 | nevyn | anonymou144: that was confusing I thought you had a backtrace from cesurasean |
| 05:09.10 | anonymou144 | cesurasean: can you load the gpxe that Justin mentioned on a floppy and then install over the internet squeeze? |
| 05:09.25 | cesurasean | onto a flopp diskette? |
| 05:09.32 | anonymou144 | cesurasean: correct |
| 05:09.46 | cesurasean | well, i could, but i want to keep the two i have because they have the bios and scsi card firmware on them |
| 05:09.50 | cesurasean | and thats all the disks i hav |
| 05:09.55 | cesurasean | and you cant buy them anymore anywhere here |
| 05:10.00 | cesurasean | lol |
| 05:10.19 | cesurasean | so you are saying to bypass the cdrom drive, and use the floppy |
| 05:10.23 | cesurasean | in hopes just the cdrom is bad? |
| 05:10.29 | cesurasean | even though they are 1 unit |
| 05:10.30 | anonymou144 | cesurasean: when you place the gxpe image on floppy, the drivers should be in the latest kernel, are they not? |
| 05:11.05 | cesurasean | I don't know how to even put gxpe onto floppy. i hope i can do from my debian machine |
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| 05:11.13 | cesurasean | but like i said i have no disks no where to buy these days |
| 05:11.14 | cesurasean | lol |
| 05:11.27 | stew | cesurasean: what is the problem? you can't boot form the cd? |
| 05:11.32 | nevyn | cesurasean: usb boot? |
| 05:11.34 | cesurasean | nope |
| 05:11.37 | cesurasean | either |
| 05:11.40 | cesurasean | the cd sorta boots |
| 05:11.43 | cesurasean | says Peter Alvin |
| 05:11.47 | cesurasean | lol |
| 05:11.56 | stew | cesurasean: which cd did you download? |
| 05:11.56 | cesurasean | then it struggles and stops it seems, OR it goes to boot: |
| 05:12.09 | cesurasean | the business card iso 40MB |
| 05:12.12 | Dulak | I once had a situation like that, I pulled the disk, installed it using another machine with a generic kernel, then stuck the drive back in, it was faster than trying to troubleshoot. |
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| 05:12.18 | stew | cesurasean: for which arch? |
| 05:12.29 | anonymou144 | stew: i386 |
| 05:12.33 | cesurasean | i couldnt find any 650mb cds around my hood, and all seem to be 700. i read specs from dell this is a 650MB drive... |
| 05:12.44 | cesurasean | possible cannot read 700mb discs |
| 05:12.53 | nevyn | the poweredge 4600 definitly supports boot from usb. |
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| 05:13.21 | Dulak | That machine has been running for like 8 years now, btw, and made it through 2 stable debian upgrades. |
| 05:15.10 | nevyn | Dulak: that's not going to be feasible if he's got a real poweredge if he wants to use the raid controller |
| 05:15.29 | Dulak | yeah this was just plain old ide |
| 05:15.39 | anonymou144 | wallee: did that setting work for inputting the proxy into debian? |
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| 05:15.59 | Dulak | It was my second server, before I had a bunch of parts laying around where I could swap things easily. |
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| 05:16.31 | cesurasean1 | sorry internet went out |
| 05:16.41 | cesurasean1 | (11:14:10 PM) cesurasean: 4600 supports USB boot? HOW? |
| 05:16.56 | cesurasean1 | i tried already. went intto BIOS and says nothing to boot from usb. |
| 05:17.08 | cesurasean1 | plugged in my usb thumb i always use with ubuntu on it, no luck |
| 05:17.12 | nevyn | if you're on current bios. |
| 05:17.26 | cesurasean1 | i am. |
| 05:17.30 | cesurasean1 | updated it today. |
| 05:17.48 | cesurasean1 | is it possible the adaptec scsi controller needs to be updated too? |
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| 05:17.56 | cesurasean1 | it wouldn't let me. failed. |
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| 05:18.40 | Dulak | cesurasean1: at boot it should have an F12 option for boot menu, plug the flash drive in, boot, hit F12 when you see the option, it should give a menu with the flash drive as an option |
| 05:18.56 | nevyn | the controller should be a umm... PERC controller |
| 05:19.29 | epsilon | cesurasean1: so you get cd rom read error sth then? |
| 05:19.34 | cesurasean1 | it doesnt say F12.... |
| 05:19.46 | cesurasean1 | and the bios doesnt list USB as boot option |
| 05:20.18 | epsilon | cesurasean1: if you get random error message on cd rom bootup, it's usualy mechanical issue of the drive |
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| 05:20.30 | Justin | epsilon: like he was told 3 hours ago... |
| 05:20.37 | Dulak | cesurasean1: I don't know what to tell you, that's directly from the FAQ for the poweredge 4600 page on dell |
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| 05:20.55 | cesurasean1 | so i must find a replacement of the same type huh |
| 05:20.58 | cesurasean1 | so it fits in the machine |
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| 05:21.04 | cesurasean1 | i couldnt find any IDE controllers |
| 05:21.21 | cesurasean1 | if i plugged in an IDE controller PCI, could i attach a IDE dvd writer to it? |
| 05:21.26 | cesurasean1 | and boot from it? :) |
| 05:21.38 | epsilon | why not? |
| 05:21.42 | bendbanks | hi all, debian squeeze LVM need to take some of the 200+g /home and give to /var any thoughts |
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| 05:21.53 | epsilon | but these days I'd use sata controller & drive |
| 05:21.56 | Dulak | cesurasean1: and you don't see something like "Press <del> to enter bios <F12> for boot menu" on the screen while it is posting? |
| 05:21.57 | cesurasean1 | how do i tell the machine to boot from the dvdwriter? within the ide controller card? |
| 05:22.25 | cesurasean1 | it dosnt say F12. it says F2 for setup, F10, or something else |
| 05:22.29 | Justin | cesurasean1: Why is it that you insist on installing via the one way that CLEARLY is not working, and yet you ignore the 4 other ways you could install debian on that box? |
| 05:22.40 | anonymou144 | bendbanks: you might use gparted to shrink the home then expand the var, or you could move files to the home from var and symbolic link |
| 05:22.49 | cesurasean1 | Justin, list the 4 ways for me. |
| 05:22.54 | stew | cesurasean1: you can boot windows cds, but not the debian cd? |
| 05:23.01 | cesurasean1 | stew, yes. |
| 05:23.04 | cesurasean1 | everytime. |
| 05:23.14 | cesurasean1 | 2nd dell ive seen do this... |
| 05:23.18 | bendbanks | anonymou144: no files clean install |
| 05:23.20 | stew | then I'd guess the problem is with the image |
| 05:23.25 | Justin | cesurasean1: usb should work. failing that, pxe will work, the gpxe thing will work, at least to install lenny |
| 05:23.27 | cesurasean1 | i threw out the first one. hehe. |
| 05:23.30 | stew | cesurasean1: which iso did you download exactly? |
| 05:23.31 | bendbanks | machine only running clamav and webmin |
| 05:23.42 | cesurasean1 | business card iso |
| 05:23.48 | bendbanks | and mysql |
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| 05:24.04 | anonymou144 | bendbanks: 'sudo apt-get install gparted' will install gparted, then manual for symbolic links i believe is 'man ln' with ln -s input output |
| 05:24.07 | cesurasean1 | Justin, thx man. |
| 05:24.16 | cesurasean1 | i needed someone to spell options. |
| 05:24.23 | Justin | cesurasean1: I told you that 3 hours ago |
| 05:24.24 | cesurasean1 | I may just buy another drive. 10 bucks won't hurt. |
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| 05:24.44 | stew | cesurasean1: which iso did you download? |
| 05:24.54 | cesurasean1 | Justin, if you really knew me, you would have to tell me 18 times. :D |
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| 05:24.56 | bendbanks | anonymou144: thanks will look into that |
| 05:25.05 | cesurasean1 | stew, business card squeeze |
| 05:25.15 | epsilon | why the hell business card |
| 05:25.19 | stew | cesurasean1: what was the filename? |
| 05:25.23 | epsilon | get normal netinst |
| 05:25.24 | stew | cesurasean1: which arch did you download? |
| 05:25.24 | cesurasean1 | couldnt find 650mb disks |
| 05:25.31 | Justin | you clearly have either 1) a bunch of bad blank cds. 2) a bad .iso image. 3) a flaky cd reader in the server. |
| 05:25.31 | cesurasean1 | went to 10 stores |
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| 05:25.47 | cesurasean1 | dell says this drive is a 650MB drive, and all i can find is 700MB |
| 05:25.48 | epsilon | I tip on 3) |
| 05:25.50 | cesurasean1 | so i found a 50MB :) |
| 05:26.13 | cesurasean1 | Can I put debian squeeze on 1.44 floppy? lol |
| 05:26.19 | cesurasean1 | or i must use gpxe? |
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| 05:26.26 | anonymou144 | cesurasean1: you can put the image to get it on the HD on a floppy |
| 05:26.40 | epsilon | I think cesurasean1 is trolling, can someone mute him? |
| 05:26.41 | ooldirty | lol?! |
| 05:26.42 | anonymou144 | cesurasean1: through the net |
| 05:26.45 | civillian | cesurasean1: CDs read / burn from the centre track outwards. As long as you aren't using a 700mb image, the reader won't know the diff |
| 05:26.47 | cesurasean1 | hmmm.......... |
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| 05:27.02 | Justin | civillian: he was told that 3 hours ago too |
| 05:27.05 | cesurasean1 | weird |
| 05:27.08 | Dulak | cesurasean1: You can also press <F10> to enter Utility Mode or <F12> for PXE Boot. PXE Boot forces a system boot from the network. |
| 05:27.16 | cesurasean1 | well MUTLI disks dont read except the BOUGHT windows ones |
| 05:27.20 | civillian | Justin: oh. Then yes, mute him. |
| 05:27.27 | cesurasean1 | so is that a bad drive? |
| 05:27.38 | stew | cesurasean1: which arch are you trying to boot? |
| 05:27.40 | Dulak | cesurasean1: that's copy/pasted from the manual, and the FAQ says f12 should detect a bootable usb and offer it as an option |
| 05:27.47 | cesurasean1 | i386 |
| 05:28.04 | cesurasean1 | i can't even get the dell cds they sold with the server to work when i burn them to 700mb's |
| 05:28.18 | cesurasean1 | ill try F12 |
| 05:28.26 | cesurasean1 | that would be the most awesome if it works |
| 05:28.34 | cesurasean1 | sometims the bios post doesnt list all possible options |
| 05:29.10 | epsilon | welcome to my ignore list dude |
| 05:29.51 | cesurasean1 | welcome to i don't care if small minded people ignore me on here. grow up. :) |
| 05:30.03 | stew | lets please keep this constructive |
| 05:30.26 | cesurasean1 | stew, what do you think? i have a bad optical drive? |
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| 05:30.34 | Justin | cesurasean1: wait, so the dell cds don't boot either, yet you've been saying things like "OMG linux doesn't work but XP does LOL" who needs to grow up? |
| 05:30.40 | Dulak | I get paid to read the docs, I also do it on a volunteer basis but prefer the paid thing. |
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| 05:30.55 | cesurasean1 | Justin, they are not PROFESSIONALLY burned disks |
| 05:31.01 | simonlnu | reading them helps ;) |
| 05:31.04 | cesurasean1 | they came from an iso from my laptop on cheap media |
| 05:31.20 | cesurasean1 | I DO KNOW ALL the windows install disks work, everytime. |
| 05:31.25 | cesurasean1 | but those are made by a factory. |
| 05:31.38 | cesurasean1 | actually PRESSED, and not burned.... |
| 05:31.38 | stew | cesurasean1: can you boot the cds you are burning in another macine? |
| 05:31.47 | cesurasean1 | stew, yes. |
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| 05:32.12 | cesurasean1 | is it possible an old drive cannot read newer media types? |
| 05:32.23 | cesurasean1 | like types of materials used to make the cd? |
| 05:32.27 | cesurasean1 | lol |
| 05:32.33 | Justin | cesurasean1: yes. which is why you should do as you are tod and just boot teh damn thing off usb or pxe |
| 05:32.44 | Dulak | Yes, the color of the laser changed at some point to make reading burnable disks less of a hit-or-miss. About 98 or 99 iirc |
| 05:32.53 | Justin | this is not a hard concept. pretend the server does not even have a cdrom drive |
| 05:33.04 | cesurasean1 | LOL justin |
| 05:33.19 | cesurasean1 | and, what happens when i have problems with an install? |
| 05:33.22 | cesurasean1 | how do i recover? |
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| 05:33.48 | cesurasean1 | say GRUB is missing.... |
| 05:33.49 | stew | cesurasean1: the installer has a rescue option |
| 05:33.52 | ChibaPet | I'd rip a CD-ROM drive out of a nearby hulk and proceed merrily, personally. |
| 05:34.04 | Dulak | you have another debian box there, and pxe is definitely going to work if the usb doesn't |
| 05:34.04 | cesurasean1 | so PXE to an installer with a rescue option? |
| 05:34.22 | cesurasean1 | ChibaPet, it's SCSI, not IDE.... |
| 05:34.33 | stew | usb is a lot easier than pxe, but either would work |
| 05:34.34 | Justin | cesurasean1: the installer is exactly the same over usb and pxe. you "recover" exactly the same way |
| 05:34.51 | Dulak | I'm just waiting for the f12 boot |
| 05:35.00 | cesurasean1 | LOL |
| 05:35.13 | cesurasean1 | im smoking and talking to y'all. i will take all thoughts into consideration. |
| 05:35.15 | ChibaPet | Mm, that's a thought. Set up a netboot environment. There's a lot of knowledge to be gleaned from setting up the various bits. |
| 05:36.02 | ChibaPet | I used to run a few diskless boxes that way. Quite fun. |
| 05:36.07 | cesurasean1 | thank you all of the input. I can always trust this channel for my needs..... |
| 05:36.11 | Dulak | Yeah you do that and then put it on your resume. |
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| 05:36.28 | Dulak | 'netboot pimp' |
| 05:36.29 | cesurasean1 | Dulak, lol. I was thinking that... |
| 05:36.31 | ChibaPet | Dulak, yes, early in my career I did precisely that. :P |
| 05:36.50 | cesurasean1 | not all machines PXE though |
| 05:37.08 | Miesco_ | Whats a good pdf viewer? (no mouse required) |
| 05:37.33 | anonymou144 | miesco_: I believe xpdf works without a mouse |
| 05:37.37 | Dulak | It's not a bad thing to put there when you are just starting out, maybe 80% of 4 year college grads would just cry if you assigned that to them as their first duty on a new job. |
| 05:38.25 | Miesco_ | anonymou144: kind of, but you have to use the pgup/bgdn keys to scroll a page |
| 05:38.27 | ChibaPet | Not many moving parts. rarpd, tftpd, dhcpd/bootp, nfs, nis. |
| 05:39.14 | Dulak | The last college grad I hired couldn't figure out how to read the docs, much less actually get something configured and installed. |
| 05:39.19 | ChibaPet | Fewer still for what cesurasean1 is trying to do. |
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| 05:39.43 | anonymou144 | Miesco_: do you have any other suggestion for scrolling up and down without a mouse? |
| 05:40.18 | anonymou144 | Miesco_: maybe have the computer read the PDF over speakers? |
| 05:40.23 | lstarnes | Dulak: surprisingly I know college freshmen who would actually be able to do it |
| 05:40.50 | Miesco_ | anonymou144: ctrl+b, ctrl+f |
| 05:41.01 | Dulak | In hindsight the guy bragging about having years of uptime on a box in the interview should have been a huge red flag, but he knew how to talk the talk, just couldn't walk the walk. |
| 05:41.30 | ChibaPet | Monthly reboots. It's the only way to go if you're serious about it. |
| 05:42.08 | Dulak | Even just kernel updates should keep your uptime from getting crazy high. |
| 05:42.11 | anonymou144 | Miesco_: here are the alternative PDF readers to XPDF: http://www.ehow.com/list_7214107_alternative-xpdf.html |
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| 05:43.01 | Miesco_ | I want something in the spirit of zathura but better |
| 05:43.50 | simonlnu | years of uptime tells me it's been years since he updated the kernel. never mind cleaning stuff up. |
| 05:44.18 | simonlnu | "turn around and take the door plskthxbye" |
| 05:45.22 | stew | Miesco_: emacs? |
| 05:45.26 | cesurasean1 | Dulak, I have no college education. Just 2 classes and dropped out to run my business/work for companies... |
| 05:45.31 | simonlnu | hehe stew |
| 05:45.41 | cesurasean1 | PXE sounds a bit much though. |
| 05:45.50 | cesurasean1 | but could be useful in the long run |
| 05:46.10 | cesurasean1 | for scalability reasons |
| 05:46.44 | cesurasean1 | im going to smoke a lot of weed tonght, and think on what my plan on action of this machine is.... must be fixed..... |
| 05:46.51 | xuser | emcas can open pdfs? |
| 05:47.01 | simonlnu | i can imagine emacs being able to read pdfs with the right addon |
| 05:47.03 | xuser | s/emcas/emacs |
| 05:47.12 | Dulak | You know if you smoke more weed when you are already high you are just wasting weed right? |
| 05:47.17 | simonlnu | subset of ps... |
| 05:47.20 | stew | xuser: yes |
| 05:47.27 | cesurasean1 | Dulak, I smoke the good shit man. |
| 05:47.32 | stew | simonlnu: it doens't need an addon |
| 05:47.37 | cesurasean1 | and it's about keeping a constant high level. |
| 05:48.01 | cesurasean1 | been 1 hour since i smoked last... |
| 05:48.04 | simonlnu | stew: oh ok, i though it did. nice. |
| 05:48.21 | cesurasean1 | I smoke that medicals hit in a non-medical state. :D |
| 05:48.24 | stew | cesurasean1: Dulak: please move this conversation elsewhere |
| 05:48.28 | Dulak | cesurasean1: doesn't matter, your brain has a limited number of receptors that accept thc, once they are full, you just waste weed, no matter the quality or potency. |
| 05:48.36 | Dulak | yeah I'll shutup |
| 05:49.00 | cesurasean1 | Dulak, that we know of. ;) |
| 05:50.01 | cesurasean1 | which do i do? track at once, or session at once? |
| 05:50.14 | cesurasean1 | ah nero lets me do 1x |
| 05:50.23 | cesurasean1 | should i reburn debian, or gpxe? |
| 05:50.40 | cesurasean1 | i have 1 disk left, but i COULD make the bios disk for the server a gpxe floppy |
| 05:50.56 | anonymou144 | cesurasean1: i would recommend debian since you can burn the gxpe image on a floppy |
| 05:51.07 | cesurasean1 | ok, so do i do track at once |
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| 05:51.12 | cesurasean1 | or session |
| 05:51.15 | cesurasean1 | last time i did session |
| 05:51.28 | anonymou144 | I need a second on this, but I would guess track, anyone know for sure? |
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| 05:51.49 | cesurasean1 | i need OPTIMINAL for debian to run |
| 05:51.52 | cesurasean1 | which is best to burn? |
| 05:52.04 | simonlnu | my cd burner only does tao properly. but it's an older model. |
| 05:52.31 | joeoshawa | is there a way to disable powersave while the browser or java is running in xfce |
| 05:52.33 | anonymou144 | simonlnu: i asked cesurasean1 to look for that option in nero, but he couldn't find sao or tao |
| 05:52.36 | cesurasean1 | well i burn session last time at 4x |
| 05:52.48 | cesurasean1 | anonymou144, i found it |
| 05:52.54 | cesurasean1 | which option should i chose? |
| 05:52.59 | cesurasean1 | track? |
| 05:53.29 | simonlnu | i'd say depends on your burner, but that's my limited experience talking. |
| 05:53.46 | cesurasean1 | lol |
| 05:53.54 | cesurasean1 | would 4x to 1x make much difference? |
| 05:53.56 | simonlnu | since session didn't work out for you, i'd try tao |
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| 05:54.05 | anonymou144 | simonlnu: i believe i have always had better results with tao on older machines |
| 05:54.08 | Dulak | it really only matters to audio disks, but tao is the safer of the two |
| 05:54.10 | cesurasean1 | simonlnu, im thinking tao too |
| 05:54.12 | cesurasean1 | at 1x |
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| 05:54.51 | simonlnu | *nods*. mine does 12x ok, but i use wodim or k3b (which uses wodim as backend) |
| 05:54.59 | cesurasean1 | only lets me do 4x |
| 05:55.01 | cesurasean1 | for some reason |
| 05:55.28 | simonlnu | (i drop it to 10x when i want to be safe) |
| 05:55.49 | cesurasean1 | burning now..... lets hope this works. |
| 05:55.51 | joeoshawa | cesurasean1, at the risk of not knowing the full convo i do know when burning it is always suggested to use the slowest speed |
| 05:55.58 | cesurasean1 | if not ill try the other options given by Justin |
| 05:56.12 | cesurasean1 | 4x was the slowest it allowed |
| 05:56.30 | joeoshawa | my dvd's will usually only burn at 4x as slowest |
| 05:56.45 | cesurasean1 | so now i will have 3 debian squeeze business cards to hand out to people? HAHA. |
| 05:56.51 | simonlnu | oh that reminds me.. |
| 05:57.41 | Dulak | The problem is almost surely the cd reader, not your burns, since they are bootable in other drives. |
| 05:58.00 | cesurasean1 | yeah |
| 05:58.07 | cesurasean1 | maybe i can use the floppy still |
| 05:58.10 | cesurasean1 | and just the optical is bad |
| 05:58.12 | cesurasean1 | since its 1 unit |
| 05:58.32 | joeoshawa | oh and does anyone know if i can get that powersave feature to not come on while watching videos in the browser |
| 05:58.56 | simonlnu | Dulak: that occured to me earlier |
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| 06:00.05 | joeoshawa | its really annoying when watching videos |
| 06:00.22 | joeoshawa | i am using xfce |
| 06:01.26 | anonymou144 | joeoshawa: maybe install xscreensaver (source: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=3152 ) |
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| 06:02.00 | simonlnu | aptitude install xscreensaver |
| 06:02.01 | joeoshawa | i have it installed and the screensaver disabled it still comes on |
| 06:02.11 | ChibaPet | power manager |
| 06:02.18 | simonlnu | dpms... you can turn it off |
| 06:02.20 | Dulak | it blanks or gives a screensaver? |
| 06:02.25 | joeoshawa | blanks |
| 06:02.29 | joeoshawa | black screen |
| 06:02.29 | simonlnu | xset dpms something |
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| 06:02.35 | ChibaPet | power... manager |
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| 06:02.36 | Dulak | dpms per simonlnu |
| 06:02.39 | _snowball | Hello. |
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| 06:02.48 | joeoshawa | ChibaPet, thanks will try that |
| 06:02.52 | anonymou144 | !hello | _snowball |
| 06:02.56 | ChibaPet | sure thing - it's what you want :) |
| 06:03.01 | _snowball | I have upgraded to testing/unstable and now my screen is flickering. |
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| 06:03.56 | _snowball | I have tried downgrading xserver-xorg-video-intel and xserver-xorg-video-core to the version in testing |
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| 06:04.02 | _snowball | but it didn't help. |
| 06:04.20 | _snowball | If I have an integrated intel gma4500hd, would it use the intel driver or the i810 driver? |
| 06:04.21 | simonlnu | /server irc.oftc.net and then /join #debian-next |
| 06:04.51 | cesurasean1 | it says "no boot device available", i keep pressing F1 like 10 times, same thing. Took out the Debian cd, and insert Windows 2003 cd, and press F1, and it loads windows setup.... lol |
| 06:04.59 | joeoshawa | i can't stop it from coming on when the browser is active only on or off |
| 06:05.09 | _snowball | simonlnu: could you have thought of a more condescending way to tell me to go to #debian-next on oftc? |
| 06:05.13 | cesurasean1 | and there is no booting from USB on the 4600 |
| 06:05.18 | cesurasean1 | F12 is PXE |
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| 06:05.29 | joeoshawa | i want it to put the display to sleep just not while i am watching a movie |
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| 06:05.37 | cesurasean1 | so my options are floppy with fpxe, or just F12 PXE with tftp, right? |
| 06:05.40 | simonlnu | _snowball: tell me how that was condescending. i did not insult you or call you names. |
| 06:05.40 | _snowball | simonlnu: thanks, though. |
| 06:05.53 | simonlnu | _snowball: you're welcome |
| 06:05.57 | stew | _snowball: I don't read that as being condescending, please just assume good will |
| 06:06.04 | Dulak | cesurasean1: you had the usb plugged in before boot? |
| 06:06.05 | _snowball | Haha, I know. |
| 06:06.10 | cesurasean1 | yes |
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| 06:06.23 | stew | _snowball: of course, you should be checkig the bts |
| 06:06.25 | cesurasean1 | I don't believe this machine boots from USB. it's quite old. |
| 06:06.44 | cesurasean1 | funny enough has a gigaport on it, and a 100/10 lol |
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| 06:07.01 | _snowball | stew: I saw some related bugs. |
| 06:07.17 | _snowball | But the packages which the author of the bug said worked were outdated even for stable. |
| 06:07.36 | joeoshawa | 10/100 is old tech |
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| 06:07.40 | cesurasean1 | I don't think the optical is BAD, because it read windows disks on 1 try after 10 failed debian ones |
| 06:07.50 | cesurasean1 | i still use 10/100 :) |
| 06:08.03 | joeoshawa | we all do i imagine |
| 06:08.10 | joeoshawa | its not new tho |
| 06:08.32 | joeoshawa | 10/100/1000 is new i believe |
| 06:08.48 | cesurasean1 | debian cd has error, i think for PE 4600 |
| 06:08.54 | cesurasean1 | somone write that on the list |
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| 06:09.18 | cesurasean1 | will test the floppy soon |
| 06:09.31 | Dulak | If it's old enough to have no usb boot, it's old enough to have the laser that had issues reading burn disks |
| 06:09.55 | cesurasean1 | lol |
| 06:09.59 | Dulak | I mean this was 98-00 when cdroms changed lasers and cleared up that mess. |
| 06:10.12 | cesurasean1 | it has a 02 cable in it |
| 06:10.18 | cesurasean1 | so im thinking 03 |
| 06:10.30 | cesurasean1 | but the drive could be old |
| 06:10.33 | cesurasean1 | depends on dell's stock |
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| 06:11.09 | Dulak | It was a major issue back in the day, your drive would work with blue or gold dilsks but not green, or other such stupidity |
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| 06:11.34 | cesurasean1 | lol |
| 06:12.02 | joeoshawa | i remember that even dvd players had that problem |
| 06:12.39 | joeoshawa | was anoying when i took home movies of my kids to somewhere with an old player |
| 06:12.43 | Dulak | They literally changed the color of the laser in the drives so it would work with a wider variety of burn disks |
| 06:13.01 | cesurasean1 | Compact Diskette Drive, 650M, I Internal, THIRD HEIGHT..., 24X, Black, TEAC... - is the drive in question..... |
| 06:13.31 | joeoshawa | cesurasean1, any dates on the drive anywhere |
| 06:13.32 | Dulak | I was quite mad, I paid something like $1200 for my first burner and the disks would work in maybe 1/2 of the cdrom drives. |
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| 06:13.45 | joeoshawa | damn |
| 06:13.47 | cesurasean1 | Ship Date:11/21/2002 |
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| 06:14.09 | joeoshawa | can't see it being an issue then |
| 06:14.26 | Dulak | Yeah and blanks were $8 each back then, and you would coaster like 1/3 of them. |
| 06:14.28 | cesurasean1 | the dell part number for the drive is 0R397 if you can find out when it was made... |
| 06:14.41 | Dulak | $8 each when you bought a case of $100 |
| 06:14.45 | joeoshawa | lol i have a 10/100 network card from 98 |
| 06:14.49 | Dulak | s/$100/100/ |
| 06:15.43 | Dulak | I remember so well because it was the most expensive thing I had saved up to buy when I was a teenager. |
| 06:15.46 | cesurasean1 | reading specs dells ays one IDE CD-ROM drive or one IDE DVD-ROM drive, but the drives connector looks scsi to me? |
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| 06:16.00 | Dulak | $1200 for the drive, and $800 for a case of 100 blanks |
| 06:16.19 | Dulak | I paid less for my first car than I did for my first burner |
| 06:16.58 | joeoshawa | xt computers were like 5 thou for an ibm pc clone |
| 06:17.30 | Dulak | Yeah I want to say my computer was a 486dx-120 at the time |
| 06:17.46 | joeoshawa | 3 1/2 inch drive was extra |
| 06:18.39 | joeoshawa | my dad still has a 386 dx 66 |
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| 06:18.55 | joeoshawa | the xt is long gone tho |
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| 06:47.08 | Vasistha | phpmvc: yeah, I think so |
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| 06:50.28 | epsilon | phpmvc: take a look at /etc/rc.local |
| 06:52.09 | phpmvc | cheers |
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| 06:52.11 | ShinyDarkness | Hello. I am trying to teach myself how to use the *nix command line. For that reason, I would like to uninstall the graphical desktop environment on my Debian box, in order to eliminate the temptation to connect to it using VNC. How do I uninstall the graphical desktop environment? |
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| 06:53.17 | nvz | ShinyDarkness: remove some core xorg package which will force removal of everything that depends on it |
| 06:53.30 | ShinyDarkness | nvz: Okay. Thanks. |
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| 06:54.19 | nvz | ShinyDarkness: I've worked with a machine with no X for a year or so.. eventually moved back cause a hybrid environment is just better |
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| 06:54.54 | nvz | can see more on an xterm and its simpler than messing with framebuffer |
| 06:55.02 | ShinyDarkness | nvz: I just want to use my Debian box as a database and Web server. Neither of those tasks really requires a GUI. |
| 06:55.26 | nvz | ShinyDarkness: sure doesn't will make it run better too |
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| 07:02.47 | cesurasean1 | how does gpxe work? the floppy boots fine, but then it just runs thruogh network things, and stops. |
| 07:02.57 | cesurasean1 | asks me to press F1 to retry reboot |
| 07:03.05 | cesurasean1 | is gpxe the same as PXE? |
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| 07:09.32 | nvz | never heard of gpxe |
| 07:09.33 | Dimitri7 | Hi guys, sorry do you have any idea of how to overcome this error?: http://pastebin.com/5EA8fmRE |
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| 07:10.43 | Dimitri7 | I wanted to install libvirt (0.9.6) from source. ./configure asked for libxml2. I installed it but it broke python :(. |
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| 07:14.24 | tapoxi | Hi guys, trying to add a remote repo, when I already have an existing local one. What's the syntax for git remote add (is it making an ssh connection?) Do I need to initialize the remote repo first? |
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| 07:18.21 | nkuttler | Dimitri7: um, did you build libxml2 from source as well? |
| 07:19.00 | nkuttler | tapoxi: try #git. afaik git defaults to the git protocol |
| 07:19.38 | tapoxi | nkuttler: sorry, thought #git was selected in this client. d'oh! |
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| 07:20.07 | Dimitri7 | nkuttler, no, I did aptitude install libxml2 on that |
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| 07:22.31 | nkuttler | Dimitri7: the error seems to say that the install failed because /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages isn't a symlink to /usr/local/ ... which is odd for a debian package i guess |
| 07:22.55 | nkuttler | Dimitri7: it looks like you tried to build python yourself as well? |
| 07:23.38 | nkuttler | Dimitri7: you should probably start by removing everything that you build locally unless you made .debs for it |
| 07:23.55 | Dimitri7 | no no, the only thing is that my $PYTHONPATH is set to: /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/ |
| 07:24.19 | nkuttler | Dimitri7: well the error seems pretty clear to me |
| 07:24.47 | Dimitri7 | what should I do then? download .debs of python2.6 and install them? |
| 07:24.50 | nkuttler | Dimitri7: dpkg -S /foo/bar gives you a list of all packages that installed a file |
| 07:25.25 | nkuttler | Dimitri7: isn't that what you did? |
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| 07:25.37 | Dimitri7 | */foo/bar does not exist |
| 07:25.45 | nkuttler | ok |
| 07:25.55 | Dimitri7 | no I installed python from aptitude |
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| 07:27.03 | nvz | the error suggest setting $PYTHONHOME to resolve the issue |
| 07:27.23 | Dimitri7 | but how can I set it? |
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| 07:27.51 | nvz | how isnt the part I don't understand, its what its looking for thats unclear to me |
| 07:28.20 | nvz | setting a variable is a simple assignment with the = sign and/or using export |
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| 07:28.55 | Dimitri7 | yes but what is the parameter? |
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| 07:29.27 | nkuttler | hm, isn't python2.6 the default python package? isn't that installed with base? |
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| 07:30.08 | Dimitri7 | yes it says: Python 2.6.6 (r266:84292, Dec 26 2010, 22:31:48) |
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| 07:30.48 | Dimitri7 | what value needs PYTHONPATH? |
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| 07:32.26 | nkuttler | Dimitri7: please paste your sources.list and dpkg -l libc6 and dpkg -S /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages use paste.debian.net |
| 07:32.34 | D4rKr0W | morning guys, i just tried to run tasksel install gnome-desktop --new-install but at the end of the download procedure i get an error 255 from aptitude |
| 07:32.47 | nkuttler | or any other pastebin fwiw |
| 07:32.57 | Dimitri7 | site-packages cannot be a symlik to dist-packages because both directories have different files :S. |
| 07:32.59 | D4rKr0W | anyone know what is causing this? |
| 07:33.09 | Dimitri7 | nkuttler, Ok! |
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| 07:34.59 | ompaul | D4rKr0W: pastebin your last 20 or so lines from aptitude |
| 07:35.12 | ompaul | D4rKr0W: in paste.debian.net |
| 07:35.14 | Dimitri7 | nkuttler, http://paste.debian.net/147651/ |
| 07:35.18 | Dimitri7 | there we go. |
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| 07:36.54 | hugalua | good morning anyone awake? |
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| 07:37.51 | D4rKr0W | ompaul: i see lots of installed packages but a couple like postfix are "blocked", could that be the cause? this is basically a fresh install but i did not select the desktop enviroment during the netinst |
| 07:38.28 | D4rKr0W | ompaul: i cannot paste it atm cause the machine is not connected to the network :( |
| 07:38.31 | nkuttler | Dimitri7: no idea |
| 07:38.38 | Dimitri7 | God |
| 07:38.53 | nkuttler | see what nvz suggested |
| 07:39.05 | Dimitri7 | Im seeing |
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| 07:39.16 | Dimitri7 | Oh yes |
| 07:39.29 | Dimitri7 | the thing is that I don't know what to put there |
| 07:39.34 | ompaul | D4rKr0W: you best run the thing copy the errors to a stick and while you are at it pastebin your sources.list also |
| 07:40.00 | Dimitri7 | hey |
| 07:40.02 | ompaul | D4rKr0W: there is something out there on the net which says you might have some 404 stuff there |
| 07:40.03 | Dimitri7 | its working :D |
| 07:40.11 | Dimitri7 | what did we do? |
| 07:40.20 | Dimitri7 | my god! |
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| 07:41.12 | Dimitri7 | don't computers do some creapy things sometimes? I didn't touch anything and i# xm list shows my VMs now :S. |
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| 07:41.55 | nsadmin | computers cannot be creapy. guys can tho |
| 07:42.29 | nkuttler | gals too |
| 07:42.57 | nsadmin | of course, the typical definition of "creapy" is where a girl is approached by a girl she doesn't like |
| 07:42.57 | hugalua | anyone know if it's safe to keep your server powered on if -- the datacenter has a backup diesel generator, and you have a ups? what is the risk after that? |
| 07:42.59 | ompaul | people can be creepy but creapy I doubt. |
| 07:43.15 | nkuttler | nsadmin: uhm... well.. anyway |
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| 07:43.31 | nsadmin | err |
| 07:43.36 | nsadmin | oh, mistype |
| 07:43.45 | ompaul | hugalua: lightening, power spikes (which your ups should look after) no power and the diesel runs out |
| 07:43.46 | Dimitri7 | I know. It's just that it was automagical lol. Sorry I wasn't aware of that :(. English is not my native language :( |
| 07:43.46 | Benkinooby | is "du -hc" the fastest way to estimate the size of a remote folder? i only can mount the remote directory, but don't have a user on that remote computer, so i can not run du on the remote computer but have to count the size remotely |
| 07:43.49 | Dimitri7 | I know. It's just that it was automagical lol. Sorry I wasn't aware of that :(. English is not my native language :( |
| 07:43.57 | nsadmin | ...by a guy... |
| 07:44.03 | hugalua | like someone said if power blinks in and out that could mess up hardware -- but then again, would it trigger a fuse of some sort? |
| 07:44.14 | ompaul | Benkinooby: you can't then |
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| 07:44.39 | hugalua | my frame of reference is just on a small scale - at home, you have computers on a power strip where the button pops out if there's a surge. |
| 07:44.47 | ompaul | Benkinooby: if there are files owned by multiple users you need to run that as root |
| 07:45.12 | hugalua | or i guess my question is, if you have a surge protector, does that really garantee your machine won't get damaged (hardware not OS) |
| 07:45.25 | hugalua | .. so that leads whatever it's rated at right? |
| 07:45.27 | ompaul | hugalua: it can't help with brownouts |
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| 07:45.38 | ompaul | i.e. dips in power only spikes |
| 07:45.46 | ompaul | i.e. overvoltage |
| 07:46.04 | hugalua | and that can/will fry hardware, is what your point is right? |
| 07:46.11 | ompaul | hugalua: has done |
| 07:46.27 | Benkinooby | ompaul, i am the only one accessing the file, and "du" works on the mounted remote folder... it just takes too much time and i was wondering if there is a programm that might be optimized for remote size estimations... |
| 07:46.37 | ompaul | df |
| 07:46.47 | hugalua | ok so if you know ahead of time that power will not be .. consistent, you should just power everything off? |
| 07:46.51 | ompaul | Benkinooby: if it is a single piece try df -h |
| 07:47.01 | ompaul | hugalua: yes |
| 07:47.28 | ompaul | hugalua: look, if you have stable power, be happy, if not use a ups to turn off your kit when it fecks up |
| 07:47.40 | ompaul | and yes I said that cos I'm a paddy! |
| 07:47.44 | hugalua | ompaul: even if the facilties has a backup diesel generator to cover the whole building? |
| 07:47.56 | pumafyre | is there any alternative to the default gnome menu for squeeze? |
| 07:48.06 | hugalua | i guess it depends on how much i'm paranoid or how much to trust that system? |
| 07:48.07 | ompaul | hugalua: I've said so already, if the generator works and runs out of fuel ... |
| 07:48.27 | ompaul | hugalua: oh go do the maths, many a redundant power strip isn't! |
| 07:48.45 | ompaul | and this is ever so offtopic |
| 07:48.55 | hugalua | oh i guess |
| 07:49.07 | hugalua | sorries. hmmm Debian is awesome. :) |
| 07:49.30 | ompaul | hugalua: until it happens you can't find out how good everything is, therefore having your own ups which turns off your server makes sense |
| 07:49.49 | ompaul | debian works well with apc units |
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| 07:50.16 | D4rKr0W | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/37e3ee80/ |
| 07:50.22 | hugalua | ya it was just an argument at work - that the issue is when you cutover to diesel generation, if that event can cause bad things to happen to your hardware |
| 07:51.14 | ompaul | D4rKr0W: there are no errors there, have you got your sources.list for me? |
| 07:51.18 | hugalua | one view was "no" because in general there has been money spent on data-center level hardware/infrastructure, how/why would it be so fragile to not handle failover (or whatever proper terminology)? |
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| 07:51.48 | D4rKr0W | ompaul: here http://paste.debian.net/plain/147655 |
| 07:51.48 | hugalua | other view, was - we should still shut down to be safe. That was the agreed upon choice. |
| 07:52.01 | ompaul | hugalua: the answer is it shouldn't but the cut over can fail therefore you should have your own ups which turns your hardware off sweetly and not with a BANG |
| 07:52.02 | D4rKr0W | nothing weird on it to be honest |
| 07:52.50 | ompaul | D4rKr0W: well I see no error message it must work, the idea of a 2gig download is a bit funny |
| 07:53.01 | Benkinooby | hugalua, if you want to be save, view the ups as a diveice, that pays you some time to shut down your datacenter in a clean way when power is off, or to keep your datacenter online for the short span of time until the generator is on |
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| 07:53.58 | D4rKr0W | ompaul: thats what i don't get, if it says installed there must be something wrong going on :( |
| 07:54.14 | ompaul | hugalua: what he said about the datacentres ups, however if I have a box in a rack you now know what I think, I'd much rather have a cleanly shutdown box than anything else on planet computer |
| 07:54.15 | D4rKr0W | ompaul: how come 2g is funny? its 900 packages almost |
| 07:55.04 | Benkinooby | hugalua, depending on the capacity of the ups and the size of the datacenter, the ups might only last for few minutes |
| 07:55.13 | ompaul | D4rKr0W: yeah, usually I preinstall kde and so on, so I never see that |
| 07:55.58 | hugalua | ompaul: ya, key debate internally was the impact of the failover of power -- we gotta UPS and it worked fine. It was the worry over the blip from failover, that pushed us to shutoff everything. |
| 07:56.36 | hugalua | er, failback i mean. it's on deseil now, and will failback in about 7 hours (estimate from power company) |
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| 07:57.06 | ompaul | hugalua: that's not what I said, what I said was. Put in your own ups in the rack. IF the cut over the other way fails, happy days your own ups minds your hardware. |
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| 07:57.46 | hugalua | ya we have one of those APCs that are like UPS from 10 or so racks |
| 07:57.53 | ompaul | heads off to work |
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| 08:15.25 | cesurasean1 | guys, i used gpxe to get lenny going on the Dell PE 4600, and now it's saying can't find hard drive, but i can supply drivers. where would i get these at? |
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| 08:19.40 | cesurasean1 | i need drivers for Adaptec 39160 SCSI Controller |
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| 08:22.00 | simonlnu | that's supported in kernel iirc |
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| 08:23.32 | cesurasean1 | why does it says it can't find any drives? |
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| 08:23.48 | cesurasean1 | lol |
| 08:24.10 | cesurasean1 | both green lights are on in the drive |
| 08:24.13 | cesurasean1 | not any red ones |
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| 08:24.53 | simonlnu | one of the aic* ones if i'm correct. but google it. |
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| 08:34.07 | mtraker | Hi |
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| 08:35.13 | mtraker | in lmde 32bits the wifi run ok, but in 64 bits it's in the system but isn't activated |
| 08:35.22 | mtraker | where can i see? |
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| 08:36.22 | simonlnu | !lmde |
| 08:36.22 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 08:38.29 | mtraker | but the problem is the same for debian. Do yuo can answer? |
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| 08:42.40 | Reiko2 | Moin =) |
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| 08:43.59 | abstrusenick | how to install this on lenny? |
| 08:43.59 | abstrusenick | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libqt4-dev |
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| 08:46.48 | nkuttler | abstrusenick: can't you upgrade to squeeze? |
| 08:47.10 | abstrusenick | not possible |
| 08:47.34 | nkuttler | doubtful. anyway, /msg dpkg ssbp... and good luck |
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| 08:54.13 | Vasistha | abstrusenick: I'm fairly certain there are backports for qt4 |
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| 08:55.21 | abstrusenick | any guide http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=lenny-backports&keywords=libqt4-dev |
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| 08:55.55 | Vasistha | abstrusenick: hmm that's a shame. |
| 08:56.10 | Vasistha | abstrusenick: have you googled for libqt4-dev lenny ? |
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| 08:56.47 | abstrusenick | any idea how to compile it from source? |
| 08:57.01 | Vasistha | !simple sid backport |
| 08:57.02 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 08:59.07 | babilen | abstrusenick: Why can't you upgrade to squeeze? Security support for lenny will end in about two months and it is about time to plan the upgrade. |
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| 09:00.11 | Vasistha | tell me about it :P I really need to upgrade but it is a little scary and, I am anticipating, a lot of work |
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| 09:01.52 | babilen | Vasistha: The release notes for squeeze (/msg dpkg release notes) provide detailed instructions for upgrading. You really shouldn't be scared and a lot of people upgraded already and we can certainly help if you run into problems. |
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| 09:02.46 | Vasistha | babilen: I've done upgrades before, but this is the difficult one because I have a heavily customized kde3; I know I don't want to use kde4, and I need to figure out how to transfer my settings to trinity |
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| 09:05.17 | babilen | Vasistha: Well, if you decide to diverge from upstream it does not really come as a surprise that you have more work. I would suggest to just make friends with KDE4, but you are, naturally, free to use trinity. |
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| 09:06.39 | Vasistha | babilen: I've used kde4 enough to know that I don't want it on my primary. And I've put in a whole lot of hours customizing kde3 to make it exactly how I like, with a fancy inverted color scheme enforced throughout |
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| 09:06.47 | Vasistha | I just hope trinity makes it into wheezy |
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| 09:10.38 | babilen | Vasistha: I doubt that this will happen. |
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| 09:10.49 | Vasistha | babilen: hum, why? |
| 09:13.22 | babilen | Vasistha: We plan to freeze in roughly 8 months and nobody works on packaging trinity AFAICT. Furthermore the debian-kde team has enough work with KDE already and I doubt that they want to support two versions in parallel. But note that I am not involved with the KDE team and am not following their work that closely. |
| 09:13.56 | Vasistha | babilen: hmm. well those things you say are true, and I suspect you are right. drat. |
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| 09:23.57 | jelly-home | babilen: where does the 8 month figure come from? |
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| 09:25.31 | JaMeSiTeGeN | I set it to 700 so I can do stuff now. |
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| 09:44.23 | mrstocks | hey, i have a question not really debian but, i have a file how to do test it to be sure it doesn't have no-utf-8 characters in it ? |
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| 09:45.41 | D4rKr0W | guys the default permissions on the home dirs are username:user, right? |
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| 09:48.46 | llutz | D4rKr0W: username:username |
| 09:49.10 | D4rKr0W | thanks llutz |
| 09:49.37 | llutz | if grep USERGROUP /etc/adduser.conf = yes |
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| 09:53.57 | D4rKr0W | yup, it's there :) |
| 09:55.01 | D4rKr0W | anyone can reccomend a backup system for automating backups of remote machines and shares in a local network? I've seen bacula but i'd like to know if there are any alternatives |
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| 09:57.05 | guardian | hello |
| 09:57.25 | alho2 | hi |
| 09:57.48 | guardian | is there a security difference between having root's crontab invoke my /usr/local/sbin/backup script compared to having a "backup" user which crontab do sudo /usr/local/sbin/backup ??? |
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| 10:01.48 | xreal | Damn: sort doesn't have enough free space on tmp... can't I sort in mem? I've got 32 GB of RAM... |
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| 10:06.10 | llutz | D4rKr0W: have a look at rsnapshot |
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| 10:14.22 | Steeltip | hi @ all |
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| 10:15.07 | sarthe | hi |
| 10:15.07 | Steeltip | I have installed pacemaker + corosync on squeeze ... How can i use multiple cluster( each two nodes ) in one LAN ? |
| 10:15.38 | babilen | jelly-home: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2011/06/msg00003.html |
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| 10:16.03 | guardian | is there a security difference between having root's crontab invoke my /usr/local/sbin/backup script compared to having a "backup" user which crontab do sudo /usr/local/sbin/backup ? |
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| 10:17.20 | sarthe | ones more complicated to configure. thats about it. |
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| 10:19.29 | gcbirzan | what does the debian installer use for a dhcp client? |
| 10:20.01 | guardian | sarthe: you were replying to me? :) |
| 10:20.08 | sarthe | guardian, yep |
| 10:20.12 | guardian | ok |
| 10:20.13 | mjt | gcbirzan: busybox/udhcpc |
| 10:20.43 | gcbirzan | mjt: Thanks |
| 10:21.34 | guardian | sarthe: thank you; well yeah i think i'll just use root's crontab. on a previous archlinux box i created a backup user with its scripts in /home/backup; but on debian there is already a backup user which points to /var/backups (which role is blurry according to FHS and an old debian bug from 2001) so i don't want to mess with that |
| 10:22.15 | xreal | How can I sort in mem? |
| 10:22.23 | sarthe | guardian, ideally youre supposed to set the permissions on /dev/mt0 or whatever so the backup user can use it, and you dont need root at all |
| 10:22.36 | xreal | <-- is about to use PHP for that.......... |
| 10:22.43 | sarthe | thats the most secure way |
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| 10:23.55 | guardian | sarthe: do you know a howto by chance? so that it guides me and i feel safe and ask too many noob questions? :) |
| 10:24.29 | sarthe | guardian, i dont really know what youre doing... if its a standard backup to tape, maybe search for backup-howto or something? |
| 10:24.39 | guardian | backup to another hdd |
| 10:24.54 | guardian | which is synced with unison over another hos |
| 10:24.56 | guardian | t |
| 10:25.07 | sarthe | why are you using your own script? and not say, amanda, or afbackup? |
| 10:25.38 | guardian | oh well… i considered using bacula; but sounded overkill, all those notions of catalog etc |
| 10:25.40 | drith | Nautilus cannot handle "sftp" locations. Debian Squeeze. Any suggestions? |
| 10:25.41 | gcbirzan | are yu backing up directly to the device? |
| 10:25.41 | guardian | and i was used to duplicity |
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| 10:26.00 | sarthe | i really like afbackup. you might want to look into it |
| 10:26.09 | sarthe | it can do to disk backups etc. |
| 10:26.13 | TuxFighter | Hi, kann mir jemand kurz helfen. Ich habe nach einem reboot kein netzwerk unter debian 6 |
| 10:26.24 | TuxFighter | der server steht im rz bei strato |
| 10:26.27 | jelly | !de |
| 10:26.28 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 10:26.29 | TuxFighter | bin via rc dron |
| 10:26.34 | TuxFighter | sry |
| 10:26.50 | sarthe | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux-Complete-Backup-and-Recovery-HOWTO/ |
| 10:26.59 | sarthe | also see ^ |
| 10:27.12 | jelly | kein problem |
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| 10:27.29 | guardian | sarthe: didn't know about afbackup, never came out of my many google searches on wikis or serverfault |
| 10:27.45 | sarthe | yeah its kind of 'secret' :) |
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| 10:28.04 | sarthe | but, pretty simple, and does the job. good for small installations |
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| 10:28.22 | guardian | can it backup windows hosts as well, using volume shadow copy or is it just for linux? |
| 10:28.48 | sarthe | hmm, it may be able to do so via samba or something. im not sure. |
| 10:28.52 | sarthe | go look |
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| 10:29.23 | guardian | ok |
| 10:29.26 | guardian | thx for mentioning it |
| 10:29.29 | guardian | i'll have a look |
| 10:29.32 | sarthe | yw |
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| 10:32.29 | guardian | different subject; when installing the spamassassin package; does it come trained already? |
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| 10:33.06 | guardian | i was thinking of copying a bunch of spam mails from my gmail account, over imap; and train spamassassin with that… but maybe it's a useless step; any opinion? |
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| 10:33.40 | jelly | no, it can't be trained already since training is specific for each user's spam and ham |
| 10:33.51 | nkuttler | guardian: sa is pretty good out of the box for me. |
| 10:34.02 | nkuttler | it can't be trained already? |
| 10:34.04 | jelly | s/each user/each address/ even |
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| 10:34.36 | nkuttler | guardian: i just have mutt aliases that forward mails to sa-learn for the occasional spams |
| 10:34.49 | guardian | ok |
| 10:35.00 | jelly | nkuttler: it can't be trained with YOUR spam and ham. |
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| 10:36.11 | nkuttler | jelly: really not sure what you're trying to say |
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| 10:38.27 | jelly | nkuttler: each address gets different mail, and each user has a different notion of what they consider to be spam or valid mail ("ham"). "training" denotes teaching the filter your own notion of "spam" and "ham". |
| 10:39.35 | jelly | for obvious reasons, authors of the filter cannot know which kind of spam you're receiving, and which mailing lists or adverts you might consider to be spammy or legit |
| 10:39.46 | nkuttler | jelly: ok. but why would feeding it mails received at gmail be a problem? |
| 10:39.56 | jelly | I did not say that. |
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| 10:40.06 | nkuttler | ok |
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| 10:40.41 | Dimitri7 | hi guys, what command should I use to see the --System Information-- ? as it appears here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=592177 |
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| 10:41.25 | sarthe | thats from a reportbug |
| 10:42.10 | Dimitri7 | sarthe, yes I konow, But I would like to know how can I get that information from my debian. |
| 10:42.53 | sarthe | i think it runs a bunch of programs. why not just 'send' a fake one? |
| 10:43.25 | sarthe | e,g, with --template |
| 10:44.22 | Dimitri7 | # reportbug --template |
| 10:45.23 | Dimitri7 | ok, thanks. |
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| 10:58.22 | wallee | which channel talk about LFS? |
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| 10:59.37 | babilen | !tell wallee -about linux from scratch |
| 10:59.45 | babilen | wallee: Also "/msg alis list *lfs* |
| 10:59.46 | babilen | " |
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| 11:03.10 | wallee | babilen: tks vvv much |
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| 11:09.26 | nardev | how do i change location display to "text path" in nautilus? It's currently folder/button type. |
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| 11:10.13 | hanibana | is there any tool which shows the internal Linux data structures, like page tables etc. ? |
| 11:10.14 | babilen | nardev: CTRL-L |
| 11:10.49 | nardev | babilen, THANK YOU VERY MUCH |
| 11:11.04 | babilen | nardev: My pleasure :) |
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| 11:11.39 | babilen | nardev: And please do not cross-post |
| 11:11.49 | nardev | i said sorry there |
| 11:11.52 | wallee | babilen: why my gnome3 mouse icon broken when waiting for some program open? |
| 11:11.53 | nardev | i'll |
| 11:12.15 | wallee | babilen: the icon not correct when waiting |
| 11:12.57 | babilen | wallee: I don't know -- Have you checked the BTS (/msg dpkg bts) for applicable bugs? Is your system fully upgraded? Can you reproduce the issue with a new user? |
| 11:12.58 | wallee | babilen: but sometime it right |
| 11:13.22 | tmartiro | hello all, i am trying to configure the multipathing on HP G7 server. The card vendor is emulex. Does the debian supports this cards? |
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| 11:13.48 | wallee | babilen: you mean i need to create a new user then check? |
| 11:13.56 | babilen | tmartiro: Is it supported by linux? What is its PCIID? (lspci -nn) |
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| 11:14.39 | wallee | tmartiro: if debian not support, i do not know which publish version can support... |
| 11:14.50 | babilen | wallee: exactly -- I would also like to mention that #debian-next on irc.oftc.net is our channel specifically for wheezy/sid support. |
| 11:15.17 | Vespakoen | Hey guys, my sources.list is fucked, i get "E: Package 'git' has no installation candidate", i tried a lot of fixes i found on the interwebz, but none of them seem to work, does anyone in here have a working sources.list (apt-get) |
| 11:15.18 | wallee | babilen: ok, i go to there |
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| 11:16.00 | babilen | Vespakoen: Please paste your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy git" to http://paste.debian.net please |
| 11:16.02 | wallee | Vespakoen: remove you sources.list then input a apt-get mirror |
| 11:16.19 | Vespakoen | input a apt-get mirror ? |
| 11:16.19 | wallee | Vespakoen: then, update |
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| 11:16.38 | Vespakoen | i uncommented all lines with # and added a mirror, that didnt work for me |
| 11:16.44 | wallee | Vespakoen: lesson to babilen |
| 11:16.55 | wallee | Vespakoen: paste, let's to see |
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| 11:17.19 | wallee | Vespakoen: may be need reboot, then clean all cache, then update |
| 11:17.38 | wallee | Vespakoen: also, may be your input format is error, so paste out pls. |
| 11:17.49 | Vespakoen | http://pastie.org/2948952 |
| 11:18.10 | tmartiro | wallee: 02:00.2 Mass storage controller [0180]: ServerEngines Corp. Emulex OneConnect 10Gb iSCSI Initiator (be3) [19a2:0712] (rev 01) |
| 11:18.17 | wallee | Vespakoen: ... |
| 11:18.32 | wallee | Vespakoen: you just setting update flied |
| 11:18.48 | Vespakoen | policy: http://pastie.org/2948958 |
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| 11:18.58 | Vespakoen | flied ? =P |
| 11:19.25 | babilen | ,pciid 19a2:0712 |
| 11:19.26 | judd | [19a2:0712] is 'OneConnect 10Gb iSCSI Initiator (be3)' from 'Emulex Corporation' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'be2iscsi' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=19a2:0712 |
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| 11:19.33 | wallee | Vespakoen: see the default format, then modify the url to you mirror |
| 11:19.58 | Vespakoen | so in the top of sources.list i did that |
| 11:20.03 | wallee | Vespakoen: or you can chose the most best mirror from the source manager gui tools in gnome. |
| 11:20.06 | babilen | tmartiro: You need to upgrade your kernel to a version >= .33 -- I would suggest the kernel from backports |
| 11:20.11 | babilen | !tell tmartiro -about bdo kernel |
| 11:20.14 | wallee | Vespakoen: i forget what is the name of that program |
| 11:20.14 | babilen | !tell tmartiro -about bdo |
| 11:20.16 | Vespakoen | it first was some belgian thing, wich it coulnt even find, so i changed it to the NL mirror |
| 11:20.19 | Vespakoen | git-core |
| 11:20.26 | Vespakoen | ohh |
| 11:20.32 | Vespakoen | that tool, i tried that, didnt find it |
| 11:20.46 | babilen | Vespakoen: Well, no wonder you only have repositories for security updates enabled. |
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| 11:21.13 | Vespakoen | lets see |
| 11:21.17 | wallee | Vespakoen: have you try reboot then clean cache? |
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| 11:21.33 | wallee | Vespakoen: try this, then update you right sources.list |
| 11:21.46 | babilen | Vespakoen: Hmm, where are the other lines coming from? Is this just some pastie.org borkenness in the layout or are those distinct files? |
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| 11:22.07 | wallee | Vespakoen: may be reboot waill get apt-get broken too right |
| 11:22.08 | tmartiro | babilen: 10x |
| 11:22.09 | Vespakoen | from all over the internet, i dont really care if it is fast, i just need git to transfer some files, thats all =P |
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| 11:22.25 | Vespakoen | but the problem is, if i restart, my users are going to be unhappy |
| 11:22.36 | Vespakoen | its serving quite a lot of requests at the moment |
| 11:23.02 | sarthe | gvfs-open: http://pastie.org/2948958: error opening location: Operation not supported |
| 11:23.03 | sarthe | ? |
| 11:23.11 | Vespakoen | no thats because of the ## in the file |
| 11:23.19 | Vespakoen | its 1 file |
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| 11:23.49 | wallee | Vespakoen: ...that's a problem. but you can try too force stop apt-get with pid, then change sources.list to right format as babilen saied, then update apt-get cache |
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| 11:24.31 | Vespakoen | so, its 1 file guys, pastie.org just fucks it up |
| 11:24.38 | babilen | Vespakoen: Use something like http://paste.debian.net/147669/ run "apt-get update" and it should be fine. |
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| 11:25.04 | babilen | tmartiro: Have fun! |
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| 11:25.06 | Vespakoen | its running |
| 11:25.12 | wallee | !tell Vespakoen pase |
| 11:25.14 | wallee | !tell Vespakoen paste |
| 11:25.18 | Vespakoen | lets see if we survive =P |
| 11:25.27 | Vespakoen | Awsome! |
| 11:25.29 | Vespakoen | ty |
| 11:25.40 | wallee | Vespakoen: wc |
| 11:25.43 | babilen | wallee: That's not how it works ;) (!tell $NICK [-]about $FACTOID) |
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| 11:26.05 | wallee | babilen: :-) ok, right |
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| 11:26.45 | babilen | Vespakoen: And you definitely don't have to reboot the server |
| 11:26.48 | Vespakoen | so its working great now, thanks a lot! |
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| 11:28.26 | babilen | Vespakoen: You are welcome -- And please *never* mix stable with testing/unstable |
| 11:28.58 | wallee | Vespakoen: if server, pls use stable |
| 11:29.42 | Vespakoen | yeh, so stupid, i only just noticed that that was in there, i changed everything to stable already |
| 11:30.08 | Vespakoen | stupid deadlines @ work makes me do things in a incorrect way, anyways, lesson learned again =) |
| 11:30.41 | wallee | Vespakoen: :) |
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| 11:30.57 | babilen | Vespakoen: The sources.list I gave you should be all you need. It is also *much* easier to read than your collection ;) (you might want to add some comments though) |
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| 11:36.22 | gcbirzan | Any idea why, in the installer, 'preparing' packages for installing would be _slow_ (talking 500KiB/s), but actually writing stuff to /target would work normally? |
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| 11:37.09 | Jolein | hi all |
| 11:37.12 | wallee | gcbirzan: there need to write db |
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| 11:37.18 | gcbirzan | And by normally, I untarred the kernel 5 times while it was 'preparing' to install the 2.6.32-5 it just downloaded (it didn't seem to matter, the one from the install media was just as slow, 5 minutes) |
| 11:37.29 | wallee | gcbirzan: apt-get need to mantain a package db |
| 11:37.32 | Jolein | anyone here knows something about sound configuration ? |
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| 11:37.46 | KNUBBIG | Hey, I'm running tomcat7 and java7 on a server and now want tomcat to use java7 and not the default java6, is there an easy way to do so? |
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| 11:38.14 | wallee | Jolein: much version? |
| 11:38.18 | wallee | Jolein: which version? |
| 11:38.21 | gcbirzan | wallee: Yeah, I know. But this was just insanely slow. looking at vmstat, it was doing like 200 blocks/s, whereas untarring got it up to 60k |
| 11:38.23 | Jolein | latest |
| 11:38.24 | sarthe | gcbirzan, the 'preparing packages...' bit does more than just read from the disk, its calculating dependencies etc |
| 11:38.47 | wallee | KNUBBIG: use alternative |
| 11:39.02 | KNUBBIG | wallee: you mean update-alternatives? |
| 11:39.11 | wallee | KNUBBIG: right |
| 11:39.18 | gcbirzan | sarthe: There was no process using more than 1% CPU. Granted, I had load 1 because I'm guessing dpkg was waiting fr IO, but I can't see why that would happen if I can otherwise write/read normally from that drive |
| 11:39.40 | KNUBBIG | wallee: that updates the default /usr/bin/java but tomcat uses /usr/lib/jvm/default-java/jre/bin/java which is not changed by update-alternatives |
| 11:39.59 | wallee | gcbirzan: i don't know... |
| 11:40.16 | wallee | gcbirzan: may be problem with apt or kernel |
| 11:40.18 | Jolein | wallee debian 6.0 |
| 11:40.39 | gcbirzan | Though. Even now, after the install, dpkg is slow, yet doing any other IO works fine (using untarring the kernel source as a benchmark because, well, it's random IO like I'd expect extracting a .deb to be) |
| 11:40.40 | Jolein | i have a GNU version \o/ |
| 11:40.50 | sarthe | strace it? |
| 11:40.54 | wallee | KNUBBIG: link it by hand |
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| 11:41.12 | wallee | KNUBBIG: or see is there any taocat environment file to config it |
| 11:41.29 | gcbirzan | sarthe: Me? Yeah, I probably will, but I am currently install vim, which has been working for 2 minutes :P |
| 11:41.32 | sarthe | is it a normal disk? flash stuff has strange characteristics sometimes |
| 11:41.39 | gcbirzan | Nah, it's a normal disk |
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| 11:41.52 | wallee | Jolein: i have not meet you problem before... but what problem you have? |
| 11:41.52 | gcbirzan | It's a 1TB WB thingy |
| 11:41.58 | jpinx-away | dunno ye |
| 11:42.00 | sarthe | you can attach strace to running process you know |
| 11:42.04 | sarthe | see what its hanging on |
| 11:42.07 | gcbirzan | sarthe: Yeah, but don't have it installed :P |
| 11:42.16 | sarthe | oh. heh |
| 11:42.17 | Jolein | well 1 program claims the sound while other programs should be playing it |
| 11:42.21 | KNUBBIG | wallee: hm okay, I already looked but found none :) /usr/blabla/java is an executable, wtf |
| 11:42.22 | sarthe | sucks to be you then |
| 11:42.32 | gcbirzan | I literally just finished installing the base, didn't want to risk using tasksel in the installer :D |
| 11:42.32 | Jolein | for instance skype always uses sound wich makes my youtube mute |
| 11:42.44 | sarthe | just apt-get install strace next then |
| 11:42.59 | wallee | KNUBBIG: wc |
| 11:43.09 | gcbirzan | Heh |
| 11:43.35 | gcbirzan | So, um. Trying to ctrl+c apt-get and it doesn't interrupt it, but it skips to the next package... |
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| 11:43.59 | sarthe | yeah, ehm, dont do that |
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| 11:44.34 | Jolein | it should be configurable in my salsa |
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| 11:44.44 | Jolein | but i cant find good documentation of it :s |
| 11:44.52 | sarthe | salsa? |
| 11:44.58 | sarthe | chachachas around a bit |
| 11:45.04 | Jolein | -__- |
| 11:45.08 | Jolein | its calle like that lol |
| 11:45.11 | Jolein | called* |
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| 11:46.27 | gcbirzan | Sigh. No less either :P |
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| 11:46.56 | Jolein | wallee any idea ? |
| 11:47.13 | sarthe | gcbirzan, more |
| 11:47.16 | wallee | Jolein: no... |
| 11:47.24 | Jolein | ok thx anyways ^^ |
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| 11:47.35 | wallee | Jolein: sorry, i have not meet you problem, you can ask babilen for help |
| 11:47.37 | sarthe | 'when you dont have less, you have more' |
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| 11:47.57 | babilen | hmm? |
| 11:48.03 | Jolein | who is babilen ? |
| 11:48.07 | babilen | Jolein: I am |
| 11:48.14 | wallee | Jolein: before you |
| 11:48.14 | Jolein | oh hi :D |
| 11:48.23 | Jolein | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:48.27 | babilen | Jolein: Good morning :) |
| 11:48.31 | wallee | Jolein: @@||| |
| 11:48.36 | Jolein | good midday |
| 11:48.40 | wallee | babilen: i'm night |
| 11:48.56 | Jolein | babilen do you know anything about sound configuration ? |
| 11:49.13 | KNUBBIG | wallee: I found I could tell tomcat which Java to use in /etc/default/tomcat7 so thanks! :) |
| 11:49.53 | babilen | Jolein: I am certainly not a sound guru, but what is your problem. I would like to note though that I am in urgent need of a nice cappuccino and will therefore be away for a couple of seconds. |
| 11:50.08 | Jolein | seconds i can spare :D |
| 11:50.12 | wallee | KNUBBIG: np :) |
| 11:50.22 | wallee | KNUBBIG: wc, good luck |
| 11:51.00 | Jolein | the problem is that one program claims the sound output , like skype uses the sound wich makes anything else mute @ babilen |
| 11:51.12 | babilen | Jolein: With alsa? |
| 11:51.18 | sarthe | is skype the only one doing that? |
| 11:51.21 | Jolein | i think so yes |
| 11:51.27 | Jolein | sarthe no everything |
| 11:51.34 | Jolein | VLC , youtube , pidgin |
| 11:51.45 | sarthe | what kind of audio board is it? |
| 11:51.48 | Jolein | can only have 1 proggy making sound at 1 time |
| 11:51.54 | Jolein | i dunno O_o |
| 11:51.58 | Jolein | its a laptop |
| 11:52.11 | sarthe | some old shitty ones could only either play OR record, and you may have the microphone on or something |
| 11:52.24 | sarthe | heh, yeah, especially the shitty ones in laptops |
| 11:52.26 | Jolein | min is from 2008 ^^ |
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| 11:52.35 | Jolein | so aint old |
| 11:52.47 | sarthe | laptops still have shitty sound boards. |
| 11:52.53 | sarthe | usually |
| 11:53.08 | Jolein | thank you for that info but it doesnt realy help .... |
| 11:53.10 | sarthe | check microphone isnt in record mode |
| 11:53.20 | Jolein | why would it be in record mode ? |
| 11:53.26 | sarthe | i dont know. |
| 11:53.29 | Jolein | and how do i check that ? |
| 11:53.40 | sarthe | aumix or something? |
| 11:53.59 | Jolein | it isnt |
| 11:54.05 | sarthe | theres some tool for it... i use the gnome mixer thing, but you might not |
| 11:54.28 | Jolein | couse if the sound would be "recording" i wouldnt hear anything would i ? |
| 11:54.45 | sarthe | if its a decent sound board you would. |
| 11:54.49 | Jolein | the problem is that only 1 proggy can use sound at 1 time |
| 11:55.02 | sarthe | they have 2 DSPs, one for each direction |
| 11:55.04 | gcbirzan | sarthe: Hm. Well, it's IO, really. fsyncs are really slow. Will get 3.1 and see if that helps it. Though, why tar works just fine... |
| 11:55.26 | Jolein | sarthe -__- |
| 11:55.27 | sarthe | Jolein, eh... yeah, again, 1 DSP. |
| 11:55.41 | Jolein | i know what you mean |
| 11:55.50 | Jolein | but then the mixer should fix that |
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| 11:55.57 | sarthe | its a hardware problem |
| 11:56.00 | Jolein | its software not hardware |
| 11:56.26 | sarthe | gcbirzan, very odd. |
| 11:56.38 | Jolein | howcome on windows it works fine ? |
| 11:56.46 | Jolein | also hardware problem ? |
| 11:57.10 | sarthe | gcbirzan, im thinking along the lines of random seeks being really slow, if that helps - tar will read sequentially |
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| 11:57.30 | guardian | sarthe: actually, i'll go rdiff-backup + http://code.google.com/p/rdiff-backup-fs/ sounds super cool |
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| 11:57.42 | sarthe | do not bother me with your windows! |
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| 11:58.09 | Jolein | sarthe its to say that there is no hardware problem |
| 11:58.11 | babilen | Jolein: You could look into pulseaudio or dmix |
| 11:58.51 | gcbirzan | sarthe: fsync on a file it open()d just then takes like 50ms |
| 11:59.26 | sarthe | you sure the kernel is working properly? |
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| 12:00.14 | babilen | gcbirzan: Which filesystem? |
| 12:00.27 | gcbirzan | xfs |
| 12:00.34 | kasimon | Some reprepro users here? I cannot understand how to upload packages to a certain component. |
| 12:00.41 | gcbirzan | but it was doing the same on ext3 |
| 12:00.50 | gcbirzan | Or, well, it was similarly slow |
| 12:01.19 | sarthe | maybe the disk driver is playing silly buggers? |
| 12:01.31 | sarthe | given its a new install, it may not be tuned well |
| 12:01.34 | Jolein | babilen cant find config files for pulseaudio on my machine |
| 12:01.44 | gcbirzan | Could be. I'm install 3.1 now. Have been for the past 5 minutes :P |
| 12:01.53 | guardian | sarthe: it's not windows at all |
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| 12:02.22 | sarthe | hmm, i need to start using nicks. oops |
| 12:02.37 | sarthe | guardian, i know, that was to the sound guy |
| 12:02.52 | sarthe | guardian, and it looks good enough to me, have fun |
| 12:02.54 | guardian | ok :) |
| 12:02.56 | babilen | gcbirzan: There are a couple of bug reports (such as http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=584254 or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=605384) about this but those are done -- Which version of Debian are you installing? |
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| 12:03.21 | gcbirzan | babilen: 6.0.3 from an image of the first CD |
| 12:03.34 | gcbirzan | babilen: I tried with the latest nightly build, but that didn't play well with my NIC |
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| 12:04.35 | gcbirzan | I also tried an older version of the wheezy I had on this stick, but that didn't like my NIC either. |
| 12:04.41 | babilen | gcbirzan: Well, read those bugs. IIRC they were mostly about ext4 and btrfs though -- I would also recommend to search the BTS yourself, those were just the ones that made it to -devel |
| 12:04.46 | sarthe | gcbirzan, do you have a strace output i can look at? |
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| 12:05.19 | gcbirzan | sarthe: I do, just give me a second |
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| 12:09.39 | gcbirzan | sarthe: 46.137.41.22/strace.gz and strac2.gz |
| 12:09.51 | sarthe | gz?! eh |
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| 12:09.59 | gcbirzan | I don't have bzip :P |
| 12:10.13 | sarthe | whats wrong with plain text :P |
| 12:10.33 | gcbirzan | Nothing, only they're 20MB in total :P |
| 12:10.53 | sarthe | you sound smart enough to rip out the unimportant bits |
| 12:11.22 | sarthe | im not trudging through 20MB of data for an irc channel dammit! |
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| 12:13.09 | gcbirzan | 46.137.41.22/strace.txt that has just a few open()/fsync()s that look a bit weird (in terms of how it takes) |
| 12:13.18 | gcbirzan | but all of those files are pretty much the same |
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| 12:14.57 | sarthe | timestamps might have helped a bit. hmm |
| 12:15.07 | sarthe | oh wait. |
| 12:15.15 | gcbirzan | it does, -tt |
| 12:15.22 | gcbirzan | does have, even. |
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| 12:15.24 | sarthe | yeah im an idiot. nm |
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| 12:17.55 | sarthe | well i dunno. just looks like a badly configed driver to me. those renames are taking quite a while too |
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| 12:20.07 | gcbirzan | To give you an idea, strace2.gz was a capture of trying to install xfce4-themes, in 2 minutes it was still going. extracting 3.1.4.tar.bz2 took 3:40, and that's like 500MB |
| 12:20.37 | gcbirzan | 3.1.4.tar.bz2 == linux.3.1.4.tar.bz2 :P |
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| 12:21.30 | gcbirzan | But, yeah, reboting in 3.1 now, brb |
| 12:21.33 | sarthe | youre not nitpicking are you? you know random access like that takes over twice as long as a sequential read. and 2minutes for a theme (with billions of files) isnt out of the ballpark. |
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| 12:24.21 | gcbirzan | xfwm4-themes, actually, is 600KB big and has 4k files |
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| 12:24.32 | nardev | could you suggest me some easy way to share folder from linux so that it's visible in win machine on same network? |
| 12:24.43 | sarthe | samba |
| 12:24.46 | nardev | easy for setup |
| 12:25.08 | vtts | still samba :) |
| 12:25.09 | gcbirzan | linux-3.1.4 has 37k files, yet it took less to extract |
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| 12:25.13 | nardev | samba it' bit tricky for me, to setup |
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| 12:25.27 | gcbirzan | (xfwm4-themes probably took like 15 minutes) |
| 12:25.29 | gcbirzan | anyway, brb! |
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| 12:26.04 | Justin | nardev: you don't have to set it up. the default configuration of samba will share your home directories, at least read only |
| 12:26.06 | PhoenixSTF | hey wew can i install the lastest e2fsprog for debian 6? |
| 12:26.08 | sarthe | nardev, well if thats too hard, youre out of luck |
| 12:26.14 | Justin | you have to change one line to make them read/write |
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| 12:28.19 | gcbirzan | sarthe: Slightly better. In 3.1, it took 10 seconds :P |
| 12:28.30 | sarthe | heh |
| 12:28.53 | gcbirzan | and amazingly, my NIC works too, so that must be a problem specific to the installer |
| 12:28.55 | sarthe | so kernel is broken |
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| 12:30.22 | gcbirzan | yeah. thanks for your help, and sorry if I was a bit rude and stupid, it really threw me off that just dpkg was being slow |
| 12:30.33 | sarthe | not at all. you werent rude |
| 12:30.50 | sarthe | not by my standards anyway :) |
| 12:30.54 | gcbirzan | okay, so |
| 12:31.14 | gcbirzan | untarring linux-3.1.4 takes 20 seconds now. so it seems not only dpkg :P |
| 12:31.27 | sarthe | have fun |
| 12:31.42 | sarthe | hmm, what bus is the disk connected to btw? |
| 12:32.04 | sarthe | for my own 'avoid this in future' note |
| 12:32.05 | gcbirzan | sata 1.5gbps, I think |
| 12:32.13 | gcbirzan | or, wait, you mean the chipset? |
| 12:32.21 | sarthe | well, both i guess |
| 12:32.41 | gcbirzan | lspci says "intel couogar point 6" |
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| 12:33.21 | sarthe | cougar? ok |
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| 12:37.29 | wallee | my : Linux myhost 3.1.3-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun Nov 27 21:08:51 CET 2011 x86_64 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E31230 @ 3.20GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux |
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| 12:46.44 | KNUBBIG | Sorry to ask again, but I have a Debian VM with two virtual network adapters of which ohly one is detected and initialized by ifconfig, but both are listed in lspci. How can I initialize the second controller? |
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| 12:50.50 | jpinx-away | account on |
| 12:51.10 | KNUBBIG | ? |
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| 12:52.59 | sarthe | KNUBBIG, try ifconfig eth0:1 blabla |
| 12:53.27 | nardev | Justasic, sarthe it's fine, setup is peace of cake, thank you |
| 12:53.38 | sarthe | it depends entirely on the VM |
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| 12:54.20 | Kasreyn | what could cause an infinite spawning of defunct zombie processes? (damn these cgi:s) and how do you kill them? |
| 12:54.39 | KNUBBIG | sarthe: ifconfig eth1 gives me output but doesn't get an ip address |
| 12:55.13 | sarthe | KNUBBIG, what do you mean 'get'? you use ifconfig to *give* it an ip address |
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| 12:55.25 | KNUBBIG | sarthe: shouldn't that done by DHCP? |
| 12:55.28 | KNUBBIG | be done* |
| 12:55.38 | sarthe | ah, well you should have said. |
| 12:55.42 | KNUBBIG | sorry! |
| 12:56.17 | sarthe | and thats a networking problem... the dhcp server isnt giving the 2nd eth an address for whatever reason... again no info to suggest anything |
| 12:56.39 | jelly | Kasreyn: their parent failing to collect them |
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| 12:56.53 | Kasreyn | great. now i can't use ps. "bash: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable" |
| 12:56.54 | KNUBBIG | Hm okay, I'll look into vbox's manual. It works fine for an ubuntu VM so I thought it should as well for Debian :) |
| 12:56.58 | KNUBBIG | thanks :) |
| 12:57.07 | Kasreyn | jelly: yeah.. trying to figure out what that parent is |
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| 12:57.53 | sarthe | KNUBBIG, this has nothing to do with VMs, stop obsessing over them |
| 12:58.27 | KNUBBIG | sarthe: huh? |
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| 12:59.46 | Justin | KNUBBIG: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 13:02.28 | KNUBBIG | Justin: thanks, I'll try that. Vm just crashed |
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| 13:08.00 | KNUBBIG | Justin: thank you very much, that did the trick |
| 13:09.10 | colo-work | do we know if there will be another backports release of the kernel (that is, a later version than 2.6.39) for squeeze in the future? |
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| 13:12.06 | abrotman | colo-work: AIUI, the udev in squeeze doesn't work well with 3.x .. so not likely |
| 13:12.26 | abrotman | colo-work: it can be made to work apparently, but it's not as easy as a simple backport |
| 13:12.56 | colo-work | yeah, I imagine there'd be certain difficulties :) |
| 13:16.33 | sarthe | wait. what? theyve changed the devfs/udev thing AGAIN? |
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| 13:17.37 | abrotman | sarthe: no, not really .. |
| 13:18.32 | KNUBBIG | a rather amusing fact: after setting tomcat to use java 7, the interface of the manager app is korean or chinese :D |
| 13:18.37 | sarthe | ...? |
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| 13:33.51 | jokar | hello all |
| 13:33.56 | jokar | how setup a vpn |
| 13:33.57 | jokar | ? |
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| 13:34.11 | jokar | i go to vpnreactor.com and it give me a user and pass |
| 13:34.14 | jokar | hoe use it |
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| 13:34.20 | jokar | :( |
| 13:35.31 | jordanm | jokar: contact the support of that service. not really a debian related question |
| 13:35.31 | petemc | jokar: vpnc is a vpn client, you will need to check with that site as to how you access their service |
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| 13:42.23 | afxx | jokar: check openvpn :) |
| 13:43.07 | jokar | how use it |
| 13:43.39 | abrotman | read the documentation |
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| 13:44.20 | barthe | bonjour |
| 13:44.20 | jokar | i create a vpn how connect it |
| 13:44.26 | barthe | they are french user? |
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| 13:45.13 | afxx | jokar: yes. read it :) first learn how to create a bridge, then setup vpn conf to use secret key (dont bother with certificates for now) and use the tap interface to link both bridges (at each end) with openvpn |
| 13:45.32 | abrotman | !~fr |
| 13:45.33 | abrotman | !fr |
| 13:45.39 | abrotman | dpkg: fr |
| 13:45.40 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
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| 13:45.43 | abrotman | barthe: ^^ |
| 13:45.51 | barthe | thanks you :) |
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| 13:47.02 | pmsz | Hello. does anybody know how to prevent root from removing the immutable flag from a file? the cap-bound file under /proc has been removed in newer kernels? |
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| 13:49.30 | Crypticfortune | What PAM module might produce an error "UID must be greater than 1000?" Our vanilla sparc squeeze box complains about this when logging in as root via ssh =/ |
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| 13:52.30 | mjt | Crypticfortune: grep is your friend :) |
| 13:52.59 | mjt | grep 'uid must be greather' /lib/security/* |
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| 13:53.49 | mjt | (which produces nothing on my side :) |
| 13:53.53 | Crypticfortune | mjt: hah! matching binary files with grep....good plan =P |
| 13:53.56 | Crypticfortune | worked though ^^ |
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| 13:54.07 | mjt | what it was? |
| 13:54.18 | Crypticfortune | pam_ldap |
| 13:54.35 | mjt | aha, that explains why it does not exist here :) |
| 13:55.10 | Crypticfortune | ya, the least vanilla part of this box. oops... |
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| 13:57.58 | stwange | hi, does anyone have a contact email address for the mirror maintainers? I just want to check the settings of a push mirror |
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| 14:02.15 | stwange | nevermind, I found it, sorry |
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| 14:13.55 | xyan | ,versions libkrb5-3 |
| 14:13.57 | judd | Package: libkrb5-3 on i386 -- squeeze: 1.8.3+dfsg-4squeeze2; wheezy: 1.9.1+dfsg-3; sid: 1.10+dfsg~alpha1-5 |
| 14:14.17 | xyan | sorry could have done that in a query :) |
| 14:14.38 | sarthe | no matter, im bored of looking at join/parts |
| 14:14.48 | sarthe | breaks up the flow a bit, you know |
| 14:15.18 | xyan | hehe :-) |
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| 14:29.12 | pmsz | since the /proc/../cap-found system-wide capabilities file disappeared, is it still possible to easily prevent root from removing the immutable flag (+i)? |
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| 14:29.45 | sarthe | you can prevent root from doing anything... its the whole point of root |
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| 14:30.45 | sarthe | i have no idea what /proc/cap-found is supposed to do, but youre barking up the wrong tree |
| 14:30.52 | xuser | s/anything/everything |
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| 14:31.28 | sarthe | eh, that should have been ' you cant prevent' too :/ |
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| 14:32.05 | balboah | I'm sure it's possible to make it harder |
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| 14:33.11 | stew | sarthe: man capabilities |
| 14:33.11 | alsd | hi there |
| 14:33.56 | stew | pmsz: you mean cap-fowner not cap-found, right? |
| 14:34.16 | stew | pmsz: cap-fowner is needed for chattr |
| 14:34.27 | alsd | i'm wondering if there's somewhere an apt repository with latest wine stable (1.2.3) for debian? |
| 14:35.02 | alsd | i've heard of stable repos for some other debian-based distributions |
| 14:35.06 | alsd | but not for debian |
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| 14:37.18 | stew | alsd: you might check winehq.org |
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| 14:37.21 | stew | alsd: or ask #winehq |
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| 14:38.19 | gnugr | alsd: you can also add "deb http://www.lamaresh.net/apt squeeze main |
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| 14:38.57 | alsd | gnugr: that's for unstable packages |
| 14:39.24 | gnugr | alsd: its for stable |
| 14:39.33 | alsd | stew: i know where the sources are, just wondering if there's a debian package handy |
| 14:39.34 | gnugr | then you can get wine |
| 14:39.46 | stew | gnugr: he's looking for a stable release of wine that is from the unstable branch of wine |
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| 14:40.21 | gnugr | alsd: and this is the key : wget -O - http://www.lamaresh.net/apt/key.gpg | apt-key add - " |
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| 14:41.34 | alsd | i've found sources here http://www.sk2.org/wine/ i'll try that |
| 14:41.49 | alsd | thanks all for the help |
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| 14:45.06 | sarthe | dear god. who invented this capabilities rubbish? |
| 14:45.16 | stew | sarthe: why rubbish? |
| 14:45.50 | sarthe | more configuration, more needless complexity. if you want more security, protect root better |
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| 14:46.06 | sarthe | and id like an answer. is it new? |
| 14:46.37 | stew | sarthe: some things need root privileges, you must see the utility in being able to give a process that without giving them capability to do EVERYTHING |
| 14:46.46 | stew | sarthe: its not at all new. if you want, just ignore it |
| 14:46.59 | sarthe | i will do! but who invented it? |
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| 14:49.01 | stew | sarthe: i believe it is part of POSIX |
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| 14:49.46 | ub1693 | hello, i am trying to install a debian derivative, i am getting an error due to the size of ramdisk lilo creates, i googled it, what i have found i s that i should add a line to lilo conf large-memory, this being an install there is no conf file, or is there in the iso? any opinions? |
| 14:49.47 | stew | sarthe: yes, it is part of POSIX |
| 14:49.50 | sarthe | that doesnt mean much... it doesnt sound like anything from sysv or bsd. im guessing someone like compaq came up with it in the meantime? |
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| 14:50.37 | gribouille | hi |
| 14:50.47 | gribouille | is it possible to change the label of a mounted file system with e2label? |
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| 14:51.05 | stew | sarthe: it looks like it was from 1983 or so |
| 14:51.19 | colo-work | gribouille, dunno, but it should be safe to try |
| 14:51.21 | stew | sarthe: no, its not from someone like compaq, it was from IEEE |
| 14:51.48 | sarthe | IEEE dont invent things, they just make them standards. |
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| 14:53.08 | stew | sarthe: well i'll leave digging around back to the 80s to figure out who came up with the concept to you. its been part of posix for a long time and you can expect it to have been in al unix like operating systems for a long time |
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| 14:54.07 | sarthe | ub1693, just stick on the end of the boot line? |
| 14:54.45 | ub1693 | oh |
| 14:55.37 | sarthe | i must be getting old, these things anger me greatly :/ |
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| 15:02.29 | RichiH | is there a way to pin a package at the currently installed version without having to do it by hand? i.e. what apt-listbugs does, but manually |
| 15:02.37 | RichiH | triggered manually, that is |
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| 15:03.52 | jordanm | RichiH: aptitude hold? |
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| 15:07.57 | totem | fredy, |
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| 15:08.10 | fredy | yes? |
| 15:09.32 | RichiH | jordanm: does not seem to do anything |
| 15:09.35 | RichiH | this is lenny, btw |
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| 15:11.40 | jordanm | RichiH: have you configured apt for APT::Ignore-Hold? |
| 15:11.45 | jordanm | RichiH: hold should work |
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| 15:12.24 | RichiH | jordanm: never having heard of it before: no idea, but most likely not (unless it's a default) |
| 15:12.26 | RichiH | let me check |
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| 15:13.18 | jordanm | RichiH: no, its not default |
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| 15:15.45 | solere | 123 |
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| 15:16.23 | solere | есть кто живой? |
| 15:16.47 | jelly | !ru |
| 15:16.47 | dpkg | eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 15:19.41 | bux | hi, do you knoz if it is possible to have one extended background for a dual screen with kde 4 ? |
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| 15:20.27 | bux | indeed I have a 3940*1080 resolution, and I like to use a background image of this resolution |
| 15:20.57 | bux | but so far, I am not able to extend a 3940*1080 wallpaper on two screens |
| 15:21.24 | nkuttler | bux: are you kidding? ... |
| 15:21.45 | nkuttler | is happy with his lightweight wm |
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| 15:22.03 | petemc | different strokes for different folks |
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| 15:23.32 | nkuttler | anyway, google seems to have a few suggestions for kde |
| 15:23.49 | bux | nkuttler: unfortunately not ... |
| 15:23.59 | sarthe | xinerama |
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| 15:24.35 | bux | nkuttler: the 3940*1080 bg is use as mirror on both creens .. |
| 15:25.21 | nkuttler | bux: but the rest isn't mirrored? odd. not a kde user though. no idea |
| 15:25.22 | pmsz | hello. does anybody know how to prevent root from removing the immutable flag from a file? the /proc/.../cap-bound file has been removed and generally the system-wide capabilities |
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| 15:35.06 | Ryccardo | would "/home/riki 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0(rw)" match any computer? |
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| 15:36.11 | sarthe | should do |
| 15:36.18 | randomguy333 | [A script can be made to ignore all signals.] True OR False? |
| 15:36.37 | stew | Ryccardo: i think you want 0.0.0.0/0(rw) or *(rw) |
| 15:36.46 | daemonkeeper | false |
| 15:37.16 | Ryccardo | will try later, thanks in advance |
| 15:37.21 | sarthe | hell if youre going to shorten it, why not 0/0? |
| 15:38.10 | randomguy333 | hmm, there are two signals that can't be ignored right? SIGKILL and SIGTERM afaik |
| 15:38.23 | randomguy333 | is it correct ? |
| 15:38.24 | stew | randomguy333: SIGTERM can be ignored |
| 15:38.47 | randomguy333 | so the only one that can't be ignored is SIGKILL ? |
| 15:38.54 | stew | sarthe: because 0 is not a valid ip address |
| 15:38.54 | daemonkeeper | read the manpage. |
| 15:38.58 | daemonkeeper | " The signals SIGKILL and SIGSTOP cannot be caught, blocked, or ignored." |
| 15:39.35 | randomguy333 | hmm, thank you :) |
| 15:39.42 | sarthe | stew, right, im being all ciscoey again :/ |
| 15:39.44 | randomguy333 | i'll read, thanks |
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| 15:58.25 | himmestrutz | hiya. I would like to recursively list all links on a site. I know how to it on one page, but I would like to do it recursively; but how!? :-) one example: I woul like to list all links going to www.bahabaha.com on kdhejdhje.blogspot.com, how could I do that? |
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| 15:59.20 | snax | is installing squeeze on his new Acer and is so essited! |
| 15:59.21 | sarthe | wget --spider or some variation of it |
| 15:59.44 | himmestrutz | sarthe, aight, will look into that. thanks. |
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| 16:00.23 | snax | is copying .gnome2 from one machine to an other suffice to copy the exact same settings with out having to manually re create them? |
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| 16:02.56 | himmestrutz | sarthe, but does that download the links? I would only want to list them.. |
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| 16:03.50 | sarthe | himmestrutz, im not looking up the man page for you, but iirc, it just reports the links |
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| 16:04.25 | himmestrutz | sarthe, ok. |
| 16:04.29 | e20100633 | hey o/ |
| 16:05.07 | himmestrutz | sarthe, "Wget will behave as a Web "spider", which means that it will not download the pages, just check that", ahh.. thanks, again, |
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| 16:19.47 | sarthe | snax and yeah it should work well enough |
| 16:20.59 | sarthe | things like proxy settings will be broken or ignored until you fix them though. it wont be exact |
| 16:21.39 | snax | You fricken Debian removed windows from the grub entry. |
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| 16:21.55 | snax | they ntfs partitions are still there. |
| 16:22.00 | snax | how to I put it back. |
| 16:22.12 | sarthe | update-grub |
| 16:22.15 | babilen | snax: Install os-prober and run "update-grub" |
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| 16:24.35 | honschu | Hi, how to browse a list of packages with aptitude from a specific entry in sources.list. Or is that not possible and I can only see the whole repositories as one? |
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| 16:25.42 | sarthe | thats not really how it works. you could temporarily remove unwanted sources i guess, or just point a browser at the uri |
| 16:25.45 | abrotman | i think there's an Origin field |
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| 16:27.11 | abrotman | such as |
| 16:27.13 | abrotman | !bdo list |
| 16:27.14 | dpkg | To get a list of all the packages you have installed from backports.debian.org: aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Debian Backports))' -F'%100p'. To list all packages in the backports repository: aptitude search '?origin(Debian Backports)' See also <which repo>. |
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| 16:30.05 | guardian | in debian's exim config template, spam = Debian-exim:true where does this "Debian-exim:true" come from? does it refer to some configuration somewhere else? upstream exim doc talks about profiles, and tell to use "spam = nobody" for system wide configuration |
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| 16:35.15 | snax | iptables: I so far ran > iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth2 -j MASQUERADE ; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 16:35.23 | snax | eth2 points to the internet, eth3 is behind nat |
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| 16:35.36 | snax | What do I have to type to forward ports 5060-5069 for iptables. I don't feel like learning IP Tables. |
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| 16:39.10 | cthuluh | snax: see the DNAT target |
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| 16:39.41 | cthuluh | snax: if you don't feel like learning how your tools work you must be prepared to suffer, btw |
| 16:39.55 | snax | Im worried about freeswitch atm. |
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| 16:40.24 | snax | and this nat set up isn't permenant, it's just a sandbox. |
| 16:41.13 | JodaZ | so i got this lenny server and it answers to pings and has the ssh port open, there doesn't seem to be anything on the ssh port |
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| 16:42.12 | sarthe | telnet <sshport>? |
| 16:42.28 | sarthe | then mush at the keyboard a bit maybe? |
| 16:43.39 | prgmrchr1s | snax: learn it or lose it |
| 16:44.12 | jelly | JodaZ: a working ssh service will greet you with a banner when you telnet server 22 |
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| 16:44.25 | JodaZ | jelly, yeah, thats what i meant, it doesn't |
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| 16:44.39 | sarthe | so what *does* it do? |
| 16:44.49 | JodaZ | port is open, nothing happens |
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| 16:45.12 | sarthe | after mushing at the keyboard? |
| 16:45.20 | sarthe | maybe its hung |
| 16:45.24 | JodaZ | closes connection immideately |
| 16:45.36 | sarthe | hmm.. theres a clue then |
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| 16:45.47 | JodaZ | i did a hardware reboot of the server, it didn't help |
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| 16:47.08 | sarthe | cross reference with ps -A and see what processes changed |
| 16:47.09 | JodaZ | hmm, not immideately after opening, i can type some, but then it closes, if i type nothing it doesn't close until i type something |
| 16:47.17 | sarthe | or even just use netstat. heh. duh |
| 16:47.20 | JodaZ | wat ? |
| 16:47.27 | JodaZ | i can't access the server at all |
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| 16:48.21 | sarthe | if you dont have access to it, youre pretty screwed. |
| 16:48.25 | jelly | JodaZ: is the console unresponsive as well? |
| 16:48.34 | JodaZ | what console ? |
| 16:48.40 | JodaZ | its a remote server |
| 16:48.44 | jelly | you remote management console! |
| 16:48.46 | jelly | your* |
| 16:48.52 | JodaZ | there is no such thing |
| 16:49.04 | jelly | what kind of server does NOT have remote lights-out management |
| 16:49.17 | JodaZ | the cheap ones |
| 16:49.28 | jelly | eh |
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| 16:53.23 | jordanm | perhaps old and cheap. a quick check it looks like Dell's cheapest server at $624 has remote management |
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| 17:01.22 | gnarface | so lets say i want to remotely re-image a machine. could i use parted to repartition some empty space and put a debian installer on the harddrive, set that partition as bootable and then reboot with it? |
| 17:01.24 | gnarface | or is that insane? |
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| 17:02.50 | jelly | not insane, but possibly fragile |
| 17:03.03 | abrotman | why not use debootstrap ? |
| 17:04.07 | jelly | gnarface: "set the partition as bootable" works only with DOS mbr code |
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| 17:04.58 | gnarface | abrotman: into the current install? oh you mean debootstrap into the new partition then just take over the system with that partition? i suppose that could work.... |
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| 17:05.17 | gnarface | abaddon: i need to change arches from i386 to amd64 though... will debootstrap allow that? |
| 17:05.33 | gnarface | woops, abrotman that message to abaddon was to you^^^ |
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| 17:07.26 | maj0r_mayh3m | exit |
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| 17:09.28 | jelly | gnarface: yes if you boot an amd64 kernel |
| 17:09.49 | jelly | ,versions linux-image-amd64 --arch i386 |
| 17:09.53 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 2.6.39+35.1~bpo60+1; sid: 3.1+41; wheezy: 3.1+41 |
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| 17:13.24 | b_i_d | Anyone an idea when node.js 0.6.2 will hit Sid? The nodejs package is REALLY outdated now. Just trying to find out if I hould compile myself or wait even little longer... |
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| 17:15.17 | ShinyDarkness | b_i_d: I compiled node.js myself, it is not that hard if you read the instructions. |
| 17:15.55 | ShinyDarkness | b_i_d: Better that than mess with apt's sources. :P |
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| 17:16.27 | xuser | b_i_d: are you running sid? |
| 17:16.56 | b_i_d | Guess so. But it still sucks having such an old version in Sid. I mean 0.4.12 vs 0.6.2 is OLD. ;) |
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| 17:17.25 | jordanm | b_i_d: file a wishlist bug |
| 17:17.32 | b_i_d | No. Testing. just downloaded the old packages and installed them by hand. Worked like a charm. |
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| 17:17.52 | stew | b_i_d: check if there is a wishlist bug filed, if there isn't consider filing one |
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| 17:18.57 | sharp15 | someone told me there was a spell checking script for irssi. does anyone know if it is packaged for debian and what it would be called? |
| 17:19.08 | b_i_d | jordanm: The new versions link has been on http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nodejs.html for quite some time already. But no wishlist yet. Will do. |
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| 17:24.09 | fff | hi |
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| 17:25.50 | moshtaghi | hello! i wanna install libgssapi-devel on my debian machine! what is this package name in debian(6)? |
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| 17:27.04 | abrotman | moshtaghi: apt-cache search libgssapi ? |
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| 17:28.48 | moshtaghi | abrotman : libgssapi2-heimdal, libgssapi-krb5-2, libgssapi-perl |
| 17:29.02 | moshtaghi | abrotman : just it! :( |
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| 17:29.56 | cthuluh | I believe you're looking for libkrb5-dev |
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| 17:31.02 | ChibaPet | try apt-file search lib/libgssapi |
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| 17:35.02 | moshtaghi | ChibaPet: command not found! |
| 17:35.19 | ChibaPet | sudo apt-get install apt-file |
| 17:35.26 | moshtaghi | ok! :D |
| 17:35.39 | moshtaghi | what is apt-file? |
| 17:35.50 | ChibaPet | It's not there by default, but it's uniquely useful. It can out-do "yum provides". |
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| 17:36.06 | ChibaPet | It looks at where files are installed by packages and tells you about it, in short. |
| 17:36.37 | abrotman | moshtaghi: look at the source package .. see what -dev package that source package provides |
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| 17:38.01 | moshtaghi | ChaibaPet: abrotman: tnx guys! ;) |
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| 17:38.19 | moshtaghi | i try it and brb! ;) |
| 17:38.22 | ChibaPet | apt-file search gssapi.h, for instance, is another way to find libkrb5-dev. It's a nice tool. |
| 17:38.56 | b_i_d | moshtaghi: It's pretty much a search engine for individual files inside packages. Whenenver you need a special file and don't know in what package it is: apt-file is your friend. :) |
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| 17:39.50 | sarthe | why install extra package when dpkg --search will do the same thing? |
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| 17:40.11 | ChibaPet | apt-file will tell you about files that can be installed by packages you don't have |
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| 17:40.26 | sarthe | fair enough |
| 17:40.52 | ChibaPet | dpkg -L and dpkg -S are lighter weight if the packages are already installed |
| 17:40.52 | dpkg | No packages found matching and dpkg -S are lighter weight if the packages are already installed |
| 17:41.17 | sarthe | heh |
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| 17:41.23 | sarthe | silly bot |
| 17:41.51 | b_i_d | Wishlist bug about nodejs filed. Will wait with compiling while I make plans for the rewrite of my project anyway. Rewrite number in only a few weeks that is. Why did I choose to code an artificial intelligence to learn node.js? :D |
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| 17:42.46 | b_i_d | But since I just learned about hook.io and feel like this is a complete game changer in application design I better start the rewrite now. |
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| 17:50.00 | HFSPLUS | hi |
| 17:50.15 | ChibaPet | Hello, HFSPLUS. |
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| 17:52.37 | _pash | does anyone use a splash boot here? |
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| 17:53.35 | ondrejk | Hi, as logcheck seems to be dead, i'm looking for some alternative. Can anybody give me a hint? |
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| 17:54.36 | sarthe | i dunno, what did it do? |
| 17:55.48 | jelly-home | ,versions logcheck |
| 17:55.49 | sarthe | and dont say 'check the logs' :) |
| 17:55.49 | judd | Package: logcheck on i386 -- lenny: 1.2.69; lenny-backports: 1.3.13~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.3.13; sid: 1.3.14; wheezy: 1.3.14 |
| 17:56.26 | jelly-home | ondrejk: given it's still present in sid, what do you mean by dead? |
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| 17:56.52 | ondrejk | jelly-home: it's not under active development |
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| 17:57.24 | ondrejk | i miss some features so im looking for anything better, logwatch seems to be pretty good |
| 17:57.43 | jelly-home | ondrejk: the last release was three months ago |
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| 18:00.30 | confusid | the 2 dvd iso's debian-update-* are they needed if I install from the dvd's? |
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| 18:01.12 | ChibaPet | confusid, you can always update from the network after you've installed |
| 18:01.18 | confusid | ty |
| 18:01.26 | ChibaPet | you'll want to anyway, given that any media you've downloaded will at some point become out of date |
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| 18:05.39 | confusid | if I use the synaptic to install then apt-get, will they use the same storage info on what's installed? |
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| 18:06.49 | sarthe | yes |
| 18:07.22 | sarthe | ls /var/lib/dpkg |
| 18:08.04 | somiaj | confusid: dpkg is the actual package manager. apt-get/aptitude/synaptic/dselect are mearly tools that allow fetching of packages from online sources and do dependency checking for you |
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| 18:08.50 | cire | Is there a kde program (widget) showing and tracking my smart (disk) data? |
| 18:08.57 | sarthe | i would like to add they dont calculate the dependencies the same way, but that wasnt the question. |
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| 18:09.37 | confusid | thank you |
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| 18:33.25 | deb- | Hello! my debian started with ro mounted / how can I make it rw without rebooting? |
| 18:33.41 | specing | mount -o remount,rw / |
| 18:33.53 | deb- | my fstab is with errors=remount-ro options.. |
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| 18:34.01 | deb- | specing, ok thank you :D |
| 18:34.29 | deb- | specing, mount: cannot remount block device /dev/sda5 read-write, is write-protected |
| 18:35.13 | simonlnu | you have a problem with your partition or drive |
| 18:35.27 | deb- | argh |
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| 18:35.58 | deb- | simonlnu, can you advice me about tools to check my hd ? |
| 18:36.16 | specing | fsck it |
| 18:37.17 | deb- | fsck /dev/sda5 |
| 18:37.17 | deb- | fsck from util-linux-ng 2.17.2 |
| 18:37.18 | deb- | e2fsck 1.41.12 (17-May-2010) |
| 18:37.18 | deb- | debiAn: clean, 41741/555968 files, 963556/2223872 blocks |
| 18:37.18 | deb- | root@doso:/home/andre# |
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| 18:37.33 | deb- | ops sorry i didn't use pastebin :/ |
| 18:40.36 | deb- | i'll try to reboot my pc :| |
| 18:40.49 | deb- | 100 days uptime webserver ^^ |
| 18:41.00 | simonlnu | deb-: touch /forcefsck |
| 18:41.25 | deb- | root@doso:/home/andre# touch /forcefsck |
| 18:41.26 | deb- | touch: impossibile fare touch di "/forcefsck": Read-only file system |
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| 18:42.14 | deb- | only / is read-only...other partitions are ok |
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| 18:42.44 | deb- | i'll reboot my pc so i'll loose internet connection...se you soon, bye :) |
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| 18:43.03 | specing | windows solution :D |
| 18:43.04 | simonlnu | duh, never mind that... i forgot.. just boot single user and fsck it |
| 18:44.05 | specing | deb-: can you give us the full mount report on that partition? |
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| 18:44.12 | Dulak | you don't even have to reboot, telinit 1, remount the drive read only, fsck it, remount read-write, and telinit 2 |
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| 18:44.52 | specing | my laptop has 103 day uptime ;D |
| 18:45.33 | resus | hi guys can anyone tell me where grub events are logged? things like recordfails |
| 18:45.37 | Dulak | that's too long, there has been at least 1 kernel update in that time |
| 18:47.08 | specing | Dulak: There were many, I'm running 2.6.36 |
| 18:47.53 | resus | or does grub do any logging at all? i mean it's before syslog starts |
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| 18:48.32 | specing | resus: nothing is logged before syslog starts |
| 18:48.41 | specing | (other than dmesg) |
| 18:49.16 | resus | specing so i have no way ofknowing why a boot failed |
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| 18:49.50 | resus | specing what happens is a server had a scheduled reboot but never booted it got stuck on the grub menu |
| 18:49.52 | specing | resus: sure you have, serial console |
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| 18:50.52 | resus | specing there were no useful things to see it was just on the boot menu |
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| 18:51.33 | sharp15 | is there a gnome equivalent for kde-standard? a package for what the normal user would expect from a desktop. |
| 18:52.11 | resus | i think commenting out recordfail in grub.cfg will help making sure it boots but i'm not sure and i can't really test it cause it seems like it's a random issue |
| 18:52.12 | sarthe | gnome-desktop? |
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| 18:52.25 | jordanm | sharp15: "gnome" |
| 18:52.30 | jordanm | ,versions gnome-desktop |
| 18:52.32 | judd | No package named 'gnome-desktop' was found in i386. |
| 18:52.50 | jordanm | ,info gnome-desktop-environment |
| 18:52.52 | judd | Package gnome-desktop-environment (gnome, optional) in squeeze/i386: The GNOME Desktop Environment. Version: 1:2.30+7; Size: 17.6k; Installed: 44k |
| 18:52.58 | sarthe | ah, thats the one |
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| 18:58.39 | sharp15 | jordanm, judd, sarthe: thanks. |
| 18:58.56 | iderik | When I updated my system, it changed my boot manager from grub to lilo, why is that? |
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| 19:00.15 | sharp15 | iderik: what are you running? squeeze(stable)/wheezy(testing)/sid(unstable) |
| 19:00.37 | iderik | squeeze stable |
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| 19:01.03 | resus | any grub experts? |
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| 19:01.22 | jelly-home | for hire? |
| 19:01.23 | resus | or rather any grub average users |
| 19:01.30 | resus | ha no |
| 19:02.07 | sarthe | yo! im average as hell! |
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| 19:02.16 | jelly-home | I'm sub-par |
| 19:02.23 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 19:02.23 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:03.00 | jelly-home | in the meantime, have some quotes. |
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| 19:03.04 | jelly-home | !qotd0 |
| 19:03.04 | dpkg | <purplepenguins> I can't get double buffering to work <Flashylight> just add some ketchup |
| 19:03.07 | sharp15 | jelly-home: he may be asking because of iderik's question. |
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| 19:03.25 | resus | jelly-home i already asked my question |
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| 19:04.02 | jelly-home | in my defense, it scrolled off |
| 19:04.15 | sarthe | in my defense... i dont know |
| 19:04.35 | sarthe | hey you asked for average! |
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| 19:04.41 | iderik | I have a question; why did an update of my system change from grub to lilo? Running squeeze stable |
| 19:05.01 | resus | no problem jelly |
| 19:05.17 | jelly-home | resus: try asking in #grub |
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| 19:05.46 | resus | ah i didn't know abotu that channel thanks jelly-home |
| 19:05.57 | jelly-home | iderik: it shouldn't have. Did you have both installed already? |
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| 19:06.38 | jelly-home | iderik: does "aptitude why lilo" result in any output? |
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| 19:07.16 | jelly-home | iderik: was this installation upgraded from a previous release? |
| 19:07.44 | iderik | i linux-image-2.6-amd64 Depends linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 19:07.45 | iderik | i A linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 Suggests grub | lilo (>= 22.8-8.2~) |
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| 19:08.25 | iderik | jelly-home: this happened like 1-2 months ago. no, it was squeeze before too |
| 19:08.51 | iderik | seems like me grub is gone too |
| 19:09.04 | iderik | did I do some kind of reset maybe? :O |
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| 19:09.11 | iderik | everything is like it used to be |
| 19:09.16 | iderik | everything else* |
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| 19:12.09 | jelly-home | iderik: install grub-pc if you want to. |
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| 19:12.49 | jelly-home | it (probably) won't go away again |
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| 19:13.30 | jelly-home | you could investigate aptitude/apt/dpkg logs and try to figure out what happened |
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| 19:13.50 | iderik | im installing grub again now :) |
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| 19:16.46 | iderik | jelly-home: "grub-install" and "grub-update" went fine without errors, still there is no "menu.lst" on /boot/grub/, will this file be created when I try to boot? Feels kinda scary |
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| 19:17.12 | iderik | I followed the simple debian guide, it says the file should be there after those two grub commands |
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| 19:17.38 | pumafyre | iderik: I did that all last night |
| 19:17.40 | iderik | well, all commands but the "apt-get purge lilo" since i want to test the boot first |
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| 19:18.03 | iderik | pumafyre: did you experience anything similar to this? how did it go? |
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| 19:18.49 | pumafyre | iderik: I don't know what's happening with you, but I got my grub repaired using a live knoppix cd |
| 19:19.12 | pumafyre | iderik: in the past I've used a live Ubuntu cd and run "boot-repair" from it when I've messed up my grub |
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| 19:26.20 | ws2k3 | how can i upload a directory with the build in ftp client in debian ? i cant find the command to upload a directory |
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| 19:27.53 | jordanm | ws2k3: I have to create the directory using "mkdir" then "put" each file individually. use an ftp client that does this for you |
| 19:28.23 | ws2k3 | which ftp client do u recommand |
| 19:28.41 | ws2k3 | its for single use only so it need to me simgple the only thing i wanne do is upload one directory thats all |
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| 19:28.47 | jordanm | I use filezilla |
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| 19:29.09 | ws2k3 | can u use filezilla in cli? |
| 19:29.18 | jordanm | no |
| 19:29.46 | ws2k3 | i'm looking for a cli ftp client |
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| 19:31.34 | stew | ws2k3: ncftp |
| 19:32.05 | ws2k3 | stew i already found it and installed it but how should i provide a password to ncftp because it only says login incorrecrt |
| 19:32.15 | stew | ws2k3: you need -u username |
| 19:32.34 | stew | (or just -u to be prompted). it defaults to "anonymous" |
| 19:32.42 | stew | ws2k3: if you want non-interactive, there is ncftpput |
| 19:33.17 | ws2k3 | i dont have to interfact i just wanne 3 dirs that all |
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| 19:33.39 | sarthe | you want ncftpput |
| 19:33.52 | sarthe | now go rtfm and stop asking silly questions |
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| 19:35.52 | ws2k3 | rofl |
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| 19:42.40 | n2deep | on squeeze, is there a way to get rsyncd to log transfers in local time, rather than UTC? |
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| 19:44.50 | sharp15 | anyone familiar with the xfce4 notification system? so far 'notify-send "hello world' isn't causing a message to appear. #xfce said to come here. |
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| 19:46.19 | snax | When I close my laptop lid, then open it, it stays black. Is it becuase I lack the ATI drivers, or should I disable power saving features? |
| 19:46.28 | n2deep | I think I found it: http://lists.samba.org/archive/rsync/2009-March/022768.html |
| 19:46.32 | snax | I don't know if it goes black becuase it's hibernating or not. |
| 19:46.51 | snax | I can't get back into the desktop when I open the lid. |
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| 19:50.34 | ws2k3 | sarthe i have rtfm but when u run this rule ncftpput 188.138.116.44 -j -u username -p password it says wrong username or password. when i connect from my own pc i dont have any problems |
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| 19:51.17 | sarthe | hell if i know? the ftp server doesnt like your other machine? |
| 19:51.40 | ws2k3 | maby.. hmm very good answer thanks! |
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| 19:52.33 | sarthe | :) |
| 19:52.55 | sarthe | wow, fluked that one |
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| 19:55.11 | dark-sun | transmageddon says: no plugins found "-MPEG-4 AAC encoder -H.264 encoder" ? any idea what should I do |
| 19:55.28 | pizza_biz | according to TFM, ncftpput -j needs a parameter, and is considered deprecated anyhow. |
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| 19:56.07 | dark-sun | what? |
| 19:56.31 | dark-sun | pizza_biz: that's my answer? |
| 19:56.39 | pizza_biz | no. different conversation. |
| 19:56.46 | dark-sun | sorry |
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| 20:01.42 | ws2k3 | is scp slower then ftp? |
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| 20:02.02 | sarthe | no |
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| 20:02.05 | sarthe | i mean yes |
| 20:02.23 | Justin | ws2k3: depends what you mean by slower |
| 20:02.26 | Dulak | ws2k3: yes there is encryption overhead, so it will be slower, but the password is not sent plaintext on the wire like ftp |
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| 20:03.07 | Justin | i can scp from a random sever here to my desktop at 60MB/s is that slow? |
| 20:03.07 | ws2k3 | hmm |
| 20:03.07 | stew | though scp has built-in compression, its really dependant on the situation, i'm sure there are some when one is faster than the other and vice versa |
| 20:03.18 | stew | the encryption overhead is probably not much of a factor on a modern machine |
| 20:03.29 | ws2k3 | i have 2 servers in data center when i scp from one server to the other i get 7 mbps |
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| 20:03.41 | ws2k3 | 9mbps max |
| 20:03.46 | Justin | the issue with scp used to be it was terrible over low latency links, but I think they've fixed that |
| 20:04.11 | Justin | ws2k3: how fast is scp if you scp from localhost? |
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| 20:04.22 | stew | ws2k3: what is the connection between the two? |
| 20:04.30 | ws2k3 | 100 mbit |
| 20:04.39 | ws2k3 | with gigabit nic |
| 20:04.40 | stew | then you really aren't doing very bad at all |
| 20:04.56 | Justin | are you confusing 9mbps with 9Mbps ? |
| 20:04.58 | stew | oh, wait, perhaps you are if that is 9 megabits |
| 20:05.08 | basd | hi, can you give me name of any graphics-environmental which handle down-stripe with icon-choice? |
| 20:05.11 | ws2k3 | scp diesplay in mbps |
| 20:05.16 | stew | if its 9 megabytes per second, that is quite good |
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| 20:05.23 | ws2k3 | 8MB/S |
| 20:05.28 | ws2k3 | 8MB/s |
| 20:05.47 | JodaZ | how do i debug a nfs mount ? mount command just freezes when i try to mount |
| 20:05.53 | stew | ws2k3: that's good then, your never really going to exceed 10 MB/s ona 100mb link |
| 20:06.17 | Dulak | ws2k3: if you get over 7.5 it's good |
| 20:06.38 | JodaZ | uh, what |
| 20:06.39 | stew | ws2k3: what kind of data are you transferring? if it is compressable, you can probably do better by adding -C |
| 20:06.44 | JodaZ | stew, why ?! |
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| 20:06.56 | stew | JodaZ: why what? |
| 20:07.04 | JodaZ | i used to go the full 12mb/s back in the day |
| 20:07.14 | JodaZ | nowadays not so much anymore but i don't really know why |
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| 20:07.35 | Engywuck | binary mega ode decimal, jodaz? ;-) |
| 20:07.38 | JodaZ | i guess i should revert to a 2.4 kernel to get my speed back ? |
| 20:07.57 | JodaZ | Engywuck, how many % does it matter in that case ? |
| 20:07.58 | Engywuck | and yes, with ftp really high bandwidth utilisation is possible |
| 20:08.06 | Engywuck | mega? 5 or so |
| 20:08.32 | JodaZ | well, 12 or 11.5, either is cool |
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| 20:08.46 | JodaZ | anyways, how do i debug nfs ? |
| 20:09.02 | Engywuck | the prolem starts when you want to get 125 out of a gigabit connection :D |
| 20:09.03 | ws2k3 | ok thanks guys |
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| 20:09.11 | Justin | JodaZ: showmount -e server is a good start |
| 20:09.29 | JodaZ | clnt_create: RPC: Port mapper failure - RPC: Unable to receive |
| 20:09.48 | Engywuck | is there a way for a normal user to slap lazy maintainers? ;-) |
| 20:10.01 | Justin | JodaZ: it say that right away or after a few seconds? |
| 20:10.09 | JodaZ | rigth away |
| 20:10.20 | Engywuck | just stumbled over a chrony bug sitting in the bug database since 2003 or so |
| 20:10.21 | JodaZ | Engywuck, isn't debian democratic, can't you submit a vote for slapping ? |
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| 20:10.42 | Engywuck | you mean a GR for slapping a maintainer? ;-) |
| 20:11.04 | stew | something tells me that that GR would not get the required number of seconds... |
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| 20:12.23 | Justin | JodaZ: any firewall rules involved here? |
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| 20:14.12 | xingu | the problem with ssh (and to a certain extent a great many ssl users) is using relatively shallow effective queue depths; at high enough link rates (fat pipes) OR with long enough round trip delays (long pipes) the amount of water in the tube is considerable; so pausing to wait for the other end to say "hey yeah I got it" kills performance. |
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| 20:14.43 | xingu | the other problem is that crypto and common traffic management approaches (weighted random drop) are not the best bedfellows. |
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| 20:14.51 | Dulak | so you're saying the internet is a series of tubes.... |
| 20:14.55 | xingu | yes. |
| 20:15.06 | xingu | ever play pipemania? |
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| 20:16.00 | nvz | I just copied 60gb or so worth of data off my HDD and there were a few failures anyone have a quick suggestion on how to figure out which files didn't copy. Simple filename comparison of two dirs? |
| 20:16.02 | Dulak | yes, I was actually referencing a meme based on a senator (alaska maybe?) who started with that line then proceeded to spout gibberish to the senate |
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| 20:16.19 | robokop | nvz: rsync |
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| 20:16.27 | nvz | robokop: good point.. |
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| 20:16.29 | Justin | yeah, thats' why there used to be http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ |
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| 20:17.28 | xingu | Justin: which took us up to a point, but the next problem is the issue of queue-in-queue beating; you need to be really, really careful if you construct long chains of them. |
| 20:17.48 | xingu | Justin: and ssl-in-tcp-over-qosly-mangled-ethernet is such a chain... |
| 20:18.17 | xingu | Justin: think about someone designing a clock where the second hand was advanced by *another* clock's second hand. |
| 20:18.33 | Engywuck | xingu: well, ssh is still better than a certain oracle database I know of. |
| 20:18.37 | xingu | heh |
| 20:18.39 | snax | Screen stays black when I open the laptop lid. |
| 20:18.41 | snax | Is it becuase I lack the ATI drivers, or should I disable power saving features? |
| 20:18.41 | xingu | by a country mile. |
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| 20:19.29 | xingu | if you want to be a "nice" tcp user the very best thing you can do is just assume infinite memory and dump your entire workload into your end of the tube. |
| 20:19.30 | Engywuck | Just logging into the program connected to it needed 30000 packets to be transmitted. Each with way less than the payload possible in even the smallest TCP packet. |
| 20:19.41 | Engywuck | each waiting or the reply |
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| 20:20.00 | Engywuck | you can imagine what the result on a 30ms-ping-tube is :D |
| 20:20.10 | xingu | the sending host stack will stall your write when it's overun; and the receiving stack will stop sending ACK's when its out of gas. |
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| 20:20.25 | xingu | Engywuck: been there done that helped write a layer7 spoofer... |
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| 20:21.09 | snax | what makes the screen go black when I close the laptop lid? |
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| 20:21.46 | Engywuck | we "solved" by doing a VM on our end and using remote connection. transferrig a full graphical environment with 1920x1200 is more respnsive than the program itself |
| 20:21.51 | valdyn_ | snax: an acpi script probably triggered by the event thats emitted when that tiny button benath you lid is pressed |
| 20:21.58 | Engywuck | you have the layer7 soofer around in usable form? |
| 20:22.14 | xingu | Engywuck: no; IP owned by previousco. :) |
| 20:22.41 | Engywuck | snack, I use the opensource driver for my amd (ati) driven laptop and see no issues |
| 20:22.42 | xingu | (it's not a hard protocol to crack open, our PoC was done in perl) |
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| 20:22.49 | technologov | ----------------------- |
| 20:23.21 | technologov | historical Q: Fedora and Debian seem to have equal-sized community -- but Debian has *much* more packages. How to explain this ? |
| 20:23.28 | Engywuck | well xingu, a layer-8-clue-injector would be a good replacement :D |
| 20:23.33 | xingu | hah |
| 20:23.38 | valdyn_ | technologov: why do you think the community size matters? |
| 20:23.46 | technologov | what does ? |
| 20:23.48 | valdyn_ | technologov: hint: it does not |
| 20:23.59 | technologov | community size matters - because community make packages :) |
| 20:24.01 | valdyn_ | technologov: the number of people maintaining packages does matter |
| 20:24.18 | technologov | one-man distro can't have 10k packages. |
| 20:24.47 | valdyn_ | technologov: i dont know what you call community, but i call debian community alot more than just debian developers |
| 20:25.00 | stew | technologov: how did you deterimine the size of the communities? |
| 20:25.11 | technologov | me? hmm.. by distrowatch. |
| 20:25.25 | valdyn_ | technologov: but all in all im sure debian has alot more developers than any other distro |
| 20:25.46 | Engywuck | another hint: if you don't change the startup scripts thrice in two releases one maintainer can support more packages |
| 20:25.52 | stew | technologov: what did distrowatch say the size of the debian community was? |
| 20:26.02 | stew | technologov: does it tell you how many people actually maintain packages for debian? |
| 20:26.24 | technologov | nope. it doesn't. |
| 20:26.36 | JodaZ | Justin, no, no firewall rules |
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| 20:27.11 | stew | technologov: well, debian has a couple thousand people that volunteer to do package maintanence. I have no idea about the fedora community, perhaps there are not that many people actually doing work |
| 20:27.11 | valdyn_ | technologov: but debian has alot more packages also because software is split into more packages afaik |
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| 20:27.43 | stew | technologov: i imagine that distro watch is telling you about users of the distro, not contributors to the distro, which is a more relevant metric |
| 20:27.45 | technologov | valdyn_, y. this is true also. |
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| 20:30.16 | acu | I want to see details about kernel - what can I add to uname -a (or -r) ? |
| 20:30.16 | snax | valdyn_: so disable acpi ? |
| 20:30.26 | valdyn_ | snax: hell no |
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| 20:30.46 | valdyn_ | snax: if you dont want it to happen, move the script away |
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| 20:30.54 | stew | acu: -a is already everything uname has. what else are you trying to find out? |
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| 20:31.10 | valdyn_ | snax: see /etc/acpi/, names should be somewhat self explanatory |
| 20:31.23 | acu | also I want to lspci all the network cards (wifi and ethernet) |
| 20:31.35 | snax | I just want the screen to come back after I open the lid. |
| 20:31.43 | stew | acu: so run "lspci"? |
| 20:31.44 | valdyn_ | snax: and its probably better to move the event away than the shell script ( see events directory ) |
| 20:32.11 | snax | why not let it go black, and figure out what's keeping the screen from coming back when I open the lid. |
| 20:32.19 | snax | why aint it coming back? |
| 20:32.19 | valdyn_ | snax: I wonder why you asked me about the wrong thing first then |
| 20:32.34 | snax | Let me rephrase, what do I have to type to make this work. |
| 20:32.44 | acu | I want not to see the whole lspci (too many things) just want network related stuff - stew |
| 20:33.21 | acu | stew: can I do somekind of lspci with grep ? |
| 20:33.46 | dark-sun | transmageddon says: no plugins found "-MPEG-4 AAC encoder -H.264 encoder" ? any idea what should I install? |
| 20:34.00 | Engywuck | lspci | grep "Ethernet" && lspci | grep "Network" |
| 20:34.18 | acu | thanks Engywuck - I think that should do it |
| 20:34.22 | stew | acu: i doubt it |
| 20:34.22 | Engywuck | not the most legant solution but seems to work |
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| 20:34.34 | stew | acu: i doubt there is a way to do it accurately |
| 20:34.57 | Engywuck | or search for WiFi and Ethernet |
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| 20:37.57 | zykotick9 | acu, Engywuck even with this stew is still right, you'll still miss some network cars: lspci | egrep -i '(ethernet|network|wifi|wireless)' |
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| 20:40.34 | stew | perhaps something like "lspci -nn | egrep '\[(0200|0280|0c00)\]'" but i don't know what other things need to go into there |
| 20:41.01 | Engywuck | well, the "best" (meaning most accurate) way would be to let lspci show vendor and device IDs, and then grepping those matching a separately used list with the IDs of known network/wifi cards |
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| 20:44.09 | Engywuck | why not start drom /sys/classes/net? |
| 20:44.13 | JodaZ | is it a known problem that the nfs-kernel-server doesn't pick up fuse filesystems ? |
| 20:44.14 | Engywuck | *from |
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| 20:45.18 | valdyn_ | JodaZ: you mean fuse filesystems inside an exported subtree or is the fuse mount point exported ? |
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| 20:45.59 | Engywuck | if you exclude lo from the "files" there this should give you all the PCI addresses of the physical network cards |
| 20:46.29 | stew | Engywuck: not just exclude lo, but exclude any which aren't a symlink into ../../devices/pci* i guess |
| 20:46.46 | stew | Engywuck: so also stuff like: "tap0 -> ../../devices/virtual/net/tap0" "virbr0 -> ../../devices/virtual/net/virbr0" |
| 20:47.04 | stew | Engywuck: but this is also a list of things which already have working, loaded drivers |
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| 20:47.32 | Engywuck | hmmm, right |
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| 20:51.45 | kurkale6ka | Hi, is it advisable to mix gnome and kde packages? |
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| 20:55.01 | karlpinc_ | kurkale6ka: Should not be a problem. |
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| 20:56.03 | kurkale6ka | karlpinc_: ok, cool |
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| 21:00.16 | JodaZ | valdyn_, fuse filesystems inside an exported subtree i think |
| 21:01.41 | valdyn_ | JodaZ: try to export the mount mount then |
| 21:01.44 | JodaZ | valdyn_, i am exporting / IP.IP.IP.IP(ro,async,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check) and i got dm-crypt drives mounted on /disk1, /disk2 etc |
| 21:02.16 | valdyn_ | JodaZ: try the mount point directly first |
| 21:02.20 | JodaZ | valdyn_, is there any other way than to export the mount points individually ? |
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| 21:02.27 | valdyn_ | JodaZ: probably |
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| 21:03.34 | JodaZ | valdyn_, what about using fsid=1337 in the export options ? |
| 21:04.41 | valdyn_ | JodaZ: try "nohide" |
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| 21:06.06 | JodaZ | valdyn_, as a export option that doesn't seem to work |
| 21:06.35 | valdyn_ | JodaZ: its in the manpage, i dont know if fuse filesystems can be exported as you want it |
| 21:06.57 | JodaZ | valdyn_, sorry, its not fuse, its a dmcrypt block device thats normally mounted with ext3 |
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| 21:07.59 | valdyn_ | JodaZ: according to the manpage you want "nohide", otherwise i dont know except for the workaround to export the mount points |
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| 21:12.13 | JodaZ | valdyn_, with the crossmnt on / and the /disk1,/disk2,... manually exported it works, or alternatively i could use nohide on the invidivual mounts the exports man says |
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| 21:12.37 | JodaZ | well, it works now, but i still wonder if there is a way to do this without exporting the child fs manually |
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| 21:18.28 | ws2k3 | hello guys i have a question i have notices that when my debian serve ris under heavy load that its full ram. but when all that porceses goes down and the machine is idle it still uses 15,7 gb of ram |
| 21:18.55 | ws2k3 | so how do i know when my ram is realy full or do how i know if i put more load on it and the services stay stable? |
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| 21:19.28 | phorce1 | I need to figure out what the heck this is since all my installed drives appear to be working (this is repeated incessantly in dmesg) ---> http://paste.debian.net/147750 |
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| 21:21.04 | Engywuck | ws2k3, is this perhaps just the cache? |
| 21:21.32 | ws2k3 | yeah.. i saw in my cat/ /proc/cpuinfo that all the memory is in cache |
| 21:21.35 | ws2k3 | but what does that mean? |
| 21:21.42 | phorce1 | also, on a different subject, can dd be used to replicate a USB flash drive to abnother identical one the same way it works on spinning platter drives? (eg. dd if=/dev/sdx of=/dev/sdy) |
| 21:21.48 | Engywuck | cache is harmless to beneficial |
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| 21:22.13 | Engywuck | phorce1, I did so some months ago |
| 21:22.15 | stew | phorce1: yes, or just cp |
| 21:22.18 | Engywuck | no guarantee, though |
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| 21:23.18 | Engywuck | cache just means that the memory s used to store duplicates of data on the hdd. so when a program needs this information it can come from fast ram instead of slow hdd |
| 21:23.20 | stew | ws2k3: http://linuxatemyram.com |
| 21:23.55 | Engywuck | but if a program asks for more ram the cache can be simply made smaller without losing information (it's still on the slow medium) |
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| 21:25.01 | phorce1 | Engywuck: thx |
| 21:25.06 | phorce1 | stew: bootable |
| 21:25.10 | ws2k3 | stew thanks |
| 21:25.17 | stew | phorce1: yes, "cp /dev/sdx /dev/sdy" |
| 21:25.19 | Engywuck | windows had a bad habit in this regard up to XP - unused ("free") ram is useless ram. Windows 7 caches more (like linux did for years), that's why so many people think that win7 got bloated :D |
| 21:25.23 | stew | phorce1: does the same as dd but probably faster |
| 21:25.37 | stew | (unless you are going to be smarter than cp about blocksizes when using dd) |
| 21:25.52 | Engywuck | i always use dd with bs=1M |
| 21:26.05 | Engywuck | standard blocksize is way too slow in these cases |
| 21:26.08 | stew | i believe that cp is probably using 4m |
| 21:26.14 | phorce1 | stew: multi partitions (knoppix boot stick for virus scanning) |
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| 21:26.18 | stew | phorce1: doesn't matter |
| 21:26.29 | stew | phorce1: that does the entire disk |
| 21:26.40 | Engywuck | I tested with some hdds and found no noticeable differences, but YMMV |
| 21:26.50 | zinx | Engywuck: it differs a lot based on interface |
| 21:27.03 | phorce1 | stew: cp will create partitions on a device? |
| 21:27.10 | Engywuck | then I got lucky up till now :D |
| 21:27.24 | Engywuck | phorce1, partitions do not "really" exist |
| 21:27.26 | zinx | Engywuck: well, the cutoff is a lot lower than 1M generally |
| 21:27.36 | stew | phorce1: "cp a b" and "dd if=a of=b" do exactly the same thing "open a, open b, copy from a to b until i'm out of bytes on a or out of room on b" |
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| 21:27.43 | Engywuck | they are just data in the first sector |
| 21:27.51 | zinx | Engywuck: you're not generally wasting a lot by using a block size that's too large :) |
| 21:28.06 | Engywuck | so, yes, they "create" the partions |
| 21:28.07 | phorce1 | Engywuck: rephrase ... "cp will copy EVERYTHING including a partition table?" |
| 21:28.23 | Engywuck | yes, if you copy the first block |
| 21:28.32 | Engywuck | which you do in this case |
| 21:28.55 | phorce1 | Engywuck, stew: Hmph, I never knew cp could be used that way |
| 21:29.15 | Engywuck | me too, but makes sense |
| 21:29.51 | stew | people attribute all kinds of magic to dd, but if you aren't using the options that cause it to either limit how much data it copies or to mutate the data during the copy, its not doing anything different |
| 21:30.11 | zinx | wellll |
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| 21:30.40 | zinx | i've had it do some funny business on drives that had errors |
| 21:30.44 | zinx | with the default options |
| 21:30.56 | Engywuck | drives with errors better use ddrescue |
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| 21:31.12 | jelly-home | that's why we have dd_rescue now! |
| 21:31.15 | Engywuck | could rescue the windows system of our CEO with it just lately :D |
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| 21:31.51 | zinx | i actually use 'myrescue' now :x |
| 21:31.57 | Engywuck | stew, does cp work with tape like dd does? |
| 21:32.04 | jelly-home | ,info myrescue |
| 21:32.05 | judd | Package myrescue (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: rescue data from damaged harddisks. Version: 0.9.4-5+b1; Size: 15.5k; Installed: 80k; Homepage: http://myrescue.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:32.07 | robokop | Engywuck: you rescued your ceo from the curse of windows? |
| 21:33.01 | Engywuck | unfortunately no, but I resued me from reinstalling his windows machine including *shudder* his itunes settings |
| 21:33.17 | stew | Engywuck: i don't see why not "they are all just files" |
| 21:33.26 | acu | do you know any program which writes on the desktop (text or drawing) which can be erased - I used to know the program and forgot its name |
| 21:33.43 | Engywuck | data on (old?) tape is organized peculiarily |
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| 21:34.20 | Engywuck | so perhaps if writing from tape to same sort of tape. hmmm..... hve to try someday |
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| 21:39.25 | orzo | Is there a way to tell apt-get to download and unpack a package but to leave it unconfigured so that no scripts are run? |
| 21:39.34 | orzo | i mean, it'd be configured later |
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| 21:41.03 | stew | orzo: i doubt it. you can say to download only. why do you care to have it unpacked before it is going to be configured? |
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| 21:42.20 | orzo | well I'm installing onto a filesystem for a different machine |
| 21:43.13 | orzo | so rather than have binfmt/qemu allow me a chroot or something, I thought i might just put everything in place and let the other machine run the config |
| 21:43.40 | stew | orzo: is apt running from the filesystem of the other machine? |
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| 21:44.08 | stew | orzo: you could install the package with a noninteractive debconf, then dpkg-reconfigure from the host machine |
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| 21:45.01 | orzo | noninteractive debconf will still run binaries from the postinst scripts |
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| 21:46.06 | orzo | doesn't the debian installer do this with some packages? They are configured on first boot? |
| 21:46.21 | stew | no |
| 21:47.00 | stew | that happend back in woody perhaps |
| 21:47.18 | stew | but there is no configuration that happens after the reboot for a long time now |
| 21:47.44 | orzo | and the mechanism that was used is gone too? |
| 21:47.52 | orzo | heh |
| 21:47.53 | stew | yes |
| 21:48.48 | orzo | guess binfmt/chroot is the best way to do what i want |
| 21:49.06 | stew | and I dont' believe that what was happending after the reboot of the installer was dpkg -confgure, it was d-i specific stuff that was running |
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| 21:51.19 | cmder | Hi. Is "mozilla.debian.net" backport repo part of debian project? Or it is third party? |
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| 21:52.02 | stew | cmder: its an unofficial site run by the debian maintainer of iceweasel |
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| 21:52.15 | stew | cmder: anytime you see debian.net instead of debian.org its unofficial |
| 21:52.58 | cmder | OK |
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| 22:02.23 | orzo | does debian installer run apt in a chroot in order to install packages? |
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| 22:13.13 | yagoo | orzo, you can use debianbootstrap if you're trying to install debian manually from a prompt |
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| 22:13.28 | yagoo | !debianbootstrap |
| 22:14.00 | yagoo | http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
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| 22:14.08 | yagoo | de"bootstrap" |
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| 22:16.13 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys ... where i can find mysql logs ? |
| 22:16.58 | Sm0ke0ut | usually in /var/log |
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| 22:19.19 | ws2k3 | cobra-the-joker mysql logging is defauld disabled |
| 22:19.27 | ws2k3 | at least advanced logging is disabled by default |
| 22:19.54 | cobra-the-joker | ws2k3, :S |
| 22:20.46 | ws2k3 | # As of 5.1 you can enable the log at runtime! |
| 22:20.46 | ws2k3 | #general_log_file = /var/log/mysql/mysql.log |
| 22:20.46 | ws2k3 | #general_log = 1 |
| 22:21.20 | ws2k3 | if u look in /etc/mysql/my.cnf u see that |
| 22:21.36 | cobra-the-joker | ws2k3, how can i enable that ? |
| 22:21.42 | ws2k3 | by removing the # |
| 22:21.48 | ws2k3 | by the # means its a comment |
| 22:22.15 | cobra-the-joker | aha ok will see that |
| 22:22.21 | ws2k3 | but dont forget to disable it after ur done because its realy heavy for ur server |
| 22:22.45 | cobra-the-joker | ws2k3, ok |
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| 22:33.40 | crculver | How do I tell apt that I've already installed a package on my own? |
| 22:33.59 | kfogel | hunh. I see http://www.debian.org/CD/verify for verifying sigs on an ISO image, but how to verify a USB stick image I'm going to use for netinst? http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz |
| 22:34.03 | crculver | "apt-get install lilypond" wants to pull in texlive as a dependency, but I manage my own install of texlive and don't want to install it through apt. |
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| 22:34.12 | acu | is apt-get install linux-headers-'uname -a' the same like -r ? |
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| 22:34.29 | cthuluh | no |
| 22:34.40 | cthuluh | plus, you need backquotes, not single quotes |
| 22:34.40 | jhutchins_lt | kfogel: It should be possible to get the md5sum of the raw device - /dev/sr0 or whatever. |
| 22:35.12 | cthuluh | crculver: use equivs |
| 22:35.26 | crculver | Cthulhux, Thanks |
| 22:35.26 | cthuluh | dpkg: tell crculver -about equivs |
| 22:35.31 | Cthulhux | np |
| 22:35.32 | Cthulhux | oO |
| 22:35.34 | kfogel | jhutchins_lt: I have already verified the md5sum of the image I downloaded. But I was hoping to verify some GPG sigs. |
| 22:35.42 | acu | backquotes are " ? |
| 22:35.55 | kfogel | jhutchins_lt: I'm making a bootable USB stick for netinstall, not using a CD. |
| 22:36.06 | jhutchins_lt | Fine. Have fun. |
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| 22:36.18 | cthuluh | acu: ` ; on the other hand, just use "$(uname -r)" (yes, with double quotes around) |
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| 22:40.49 | acu | in order to compile a driver what do I need beside build-essential and linux-headers-`uname -r` ? |
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| 22:41.50 | Cerise | hi there. i'm trying to install testing from a usb stick (hd-media), but it fails at pkgsel: '/var/lib/dpkg//info/mythes-de.postinst: 6: /var/lib/dpkg/info/mythes-de.postinst: update-openoffice-dicts: not found'. any ideas? |
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| 22:42.07 | cthuluh | acu: that should be okay ; are you sure you need to compile it, though? |
| 22:42.24 | cthuluh | Cerise: yes, the testing installer often fails, that would be a good reason |
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| 22:43.17 | babilen | Cerise: I would recommend to use the stable installer *and* I would furthermore recommend to use it to install squeeze. You can then upgrade after the initial (minimal) install. |
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| 22:45.03 | Cerise | babilen, i already tried that. it ended up complaining about broken dependencies after every call to apt-get (dist-)upgrade |
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| 22:46.38 | babilen | Cerise: Three options: 1. Run squeeze 2. Work on the upgrade (i.e. fix the dependency problems) 3. Use the stable installer to install wheezy |
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| 22:47.51 | babilen | Cerise: The "recommended" way to install testing is not to install it at all. The next best thing is to install stable first and take it from there. It might be a bit of work, but should be manageable in the end. |
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| 22:52.51 | jhutchins_lt | Cerise: What I would suggest is that you install stable/squeeze and get the hang of it, how to manage packages and repositories and updates and such. If you're still interested in working on the testing project team, you will have a better idea of how you want to go about it then. |
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| 22:54.02 | jhutchins_lt | Cerise: You can also keep testing on a seperate bootable partition so you can compare it against stable to verify that a change is what broke something. If it gets seriously broken (like squeeze did with the new xorg system), you can keep it on hand and keep updating it as a chroot until it becomes usable again. |
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| 22:54.27 | jhutchins_lt | s/if/when |
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| 23:05.26 | gnarface | *sigh* are there problems with munin in squeeze? |
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| 23:06.53 | cthuluh | bugs.debian.org |
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| 23:07.38 | stew | gnarface: works for me, did you check the bts? |
| 23:07.47 | sharp15 | does debian modify xfce4-mixer? it refuses to control alsa directly and i can't find its configuration files to delete them. |
| 23:08.15 | gnarface | stew: maybe i'm just confused about something.... is it normal for the html files not to get updated every 5 minutes? |
| 23:08.43 | stew | gnarface: no, there are multiple different logs to check, an acquire log and an html log iirc |
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| 23:09.22 | cthuluh | sharp15: are you in the audio group? |
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| 23:10.42 | gnarface | stew: yea i'm looking at them... not really seeing any obvious errors |
| 23:11.01 | gnarface | stew: also, shouldn't cron mail errors to a user? |
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| 23:11.13 | cthuluh | yes |
| 23:11.57 | paerca | hi i installed debian 6.0 in my pc mother asus p8H61-m LE intel core i3 procesor and when booting it says some alsa error then i've sound but i can't control it from the volume control, and when i shut down it restarts instead shutting down. What can i do to solve these problems? |
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| 23:12.11 | gnarface | so everything looks like its functioning normally except that i can't even tell if munin-cron is even running |
| 23:12.20 | stew | gnarface: it will if you change your munin config to log to stdout/stderr instead of to files |
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| 23:12.30 | burd | maybe someone can reproduce this? Asus eeepc 900, debian squeeze, plymouth+grub2, + sd memory card in slot.. since the kernel update with the card in the slot, boot hangs indefinitely at "Waiting for dev to polulate" unplug the card and she boots awesome |
| 23:12.51 | burd | oh and it only does it with the spacefun theme in plymouth.. weirdness |
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| 23:15.10 | sharp15 | cthuluh: yes. mplayer will play the audio without problems. i removed pulseaudio earlier not sure what installed it. |
| 23:16.05 | Dimitri7 | hi guys, can I submit a bug report from a Gmail account?? |
| 23:16.10 | cthuluh | gnarface: if munin-cron is a "standard" daemon, try invoke-rc.d munin-cron status |
| 23:16.32 | cthuluh | sharp15: no idea then |
| 23:17.01 | Dimitri7 | is it possible? |
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| 23:19.21 | sharp15 | cthuluh: ok. thanks. |
| 23:19.36 | cthuluh | Dimitri7: see man reportbug, the --mua option |
| 23:20.17 | Dimitri7 | cthuluh, Thank you! |
| 23:20.24 | Dimitri7 | I will. |
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| 23:30.05 | gnarface | cthuluh: its not a daemon its a script that gets run by /etc/cron.d/munin, presumably every 5 minutes |
| 23:30.16 | gnarface | cthuluh: when i run it manually it works |
| 23:31.08 | cthuluh | gnarface: so why do you get mails for other cron files, and not for this one? |
| 23:33.17 | gnarface | cthuluh: because its actually working and i just can't tell? |
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| 23:34.27 | guardian | i configured exim to use maildir, is there something else i need to change? like MAIL environment variable is still set to /var/mail/$USER — do i need to change that? or is it benign? |
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| 23:42.51 | cthuluh | guardian: look at the logs |
| 23:43.25 | cthuluh | gnarface: add an ''echo Test ; '' before the command that launches munin-cron |
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| 23:44.26 | mactimes | I've just installed Debian Squeeze and changed my password on the terminal, made my user a sudoer, but software sources rejects my password, although software center recognizes it. Could someone, please, help me sorting this out? |
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| 23:45.41 | Dulak | mactimes: use the root password instead of your sudo password, sudo is not enabled by default so it expects root, not the sudo pass |
| 23:46.15 | mactimes | Dulak Worked! Thank you very much! |
| 23:46.33 | Dulak | np |
| 23:47.54 | mactimes | Dulak Btw, I've just installed compiz and seems fine. But emerald is not in the repositories. Would you know how where I can get a working package that wouldn't mess up with my system? |
| 23:48.30 | cthuluh | mactimes: emerald and compiz have been merged since a long time |
| 23:49.10 | mactimes | cthuluh That's why I'm asking. It doesn't seem to have the "emerald" decorations available on the system. |
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| 23:50.03 | cthuluh | mactimes: I'd forget about searching for "emerald" ; see the wiki |
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| 23:50.11 | cthuluh | dpkg: tell mactimes -about compiz |
| 23:50.27 | mactimes | cthuluh Thank you, brave monster! |
| 23:50.29 | Dulak | mactimes: you probably want the compiz-plugins and compizconfig-settings-manager packages |
| 23:50.47 | mactimes | Dulak All of those are already installed and working. |
| 23:51.05 | mactimes | Dulak I'm looking for the window decoration itself, with the transparent bars effects, etc. |
| 23:51.45 | paerca | hi i installed debian 6.0 in my pc mother asus p8H61-m LE intel core i3 procesor when i shut down it restarts instead shutting down. What can i do to solve these problems? |
| 23:52.05 | mosno | only has a human mother |
| 23:52.08 | Dulak | mactimes: no idea on that |
| 23:52.45 | mactimes | Anyways, I'll browse around those docs. Thank you very much for all help cthuluh and Dulak! |
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