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| 00:05.47 | gnarface | wtf |
| 00:05.56 | gnarface | cthuluh: cron was not running... for some reason |
| 00:07.13 | cthuluh | you mean, the cron daemon, or just that this particular crontab wasn't parsed? |
| 00:08.32 | gnarface | cron daemon was shut down |
| 00:08.41 | gnarface | i'm not the only person with root on these boxes :( |
| 00:08.52 | cthuluh | fun |
| 00:08.54 | beardy | Sounds like you should be. |
| 00:09.08 | Dimitri7 | Guys, I don't have a private e-mail system, si If I write and save my bug report and then send it from my gmail account to: submit@bugs.debian.org. Would it be delivered? |
| 00:09.08 | Dimitri7 | * so. |
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| 00:09.50 | beardy | Dimitri7: Yes you can do that. IIRC the manual tells you how too. |
| 00:10.05 | iboz | o |
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| 00:10.15 | Dimitri7 | beardy, ok, thank you! |
| 00:10.27 | beardy | Dimitri7: No problem. :) |
| 00:11.03 | Dimitri7 | :) |
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| 00:26.36 | tdrusk | In Squeeze if I am playing music and switch users the audio keeps playing. Any way to fix this? |
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| 00:28.18 | xuser | close the music player? ;) |
| 00:29.19 | Dulak | That's kind of the point of switching users instead of logging out and logging in as another user, it leaves things running while you are working as the other user. |
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| 00:29.57 | burd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:40.23 | _pash | in a slight debate here, arch or debian? |
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| 00:41.03 | cthuluh | ubuntu |
| 00:43.01 | _pash | thats debian based ;) |
| 00:43.08 | nevyn | !debian based |
| 00:43.09 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution. #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 00:44.10 | mosno | _pash: debian, or course |
| 00:44.13 | mosno | of* |
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| 00:44.49 | demonkeeper | _pash: You should be really surprised to get another answer as Debian if you ask that question in #debian. |
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| 00:45.39 | _pash | demonkeeper: im not surprised, i've asked the same thing in arch ;) ive been running arch for a yearish now... and it seems pretty straight forward to me, ive been told by a friend to give debian a go... thats mostly why |
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| 00:46.20 | demonkeeper | _pash: Don't listen to your friends, find yourself out what you like and weighten how much |
| 00:46.21 | babilen | _pash: Then give it a go and make up your own mind. |
| 00:46.32 | demonkeeper | was first \o/ |
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| 00:47.45 | gfredericks | I'm trying to use xmonad -- "apt-get install xmonad" seemed to work, but I saw no mention of xmonad on the login screen, yet the xmonad/debian-related docs on the internet don't mention any other steps |
| 00:47.49 | gfredericks | does anybody know what I'm missing? |
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| 00:48.39 | cthuluh | login screen, as in gdm? |
| 00:48.51 | JodaZ | hmm, i set up a nfs client on squeeze now, any when i mount my lenny systems with user mode nfs server they work nicely, but when i mounted a squeeze i had to export all filesystems mounted individually and had to use crossmnt, and now when i read from this nfs mount (especially when i seek in files) i get insanely huge latencys |
| 00:49.59 | gfredericks | cthuluh: maybe? When I did a similar thing in ubuntu, XMonad appeared with Gnome on a dropdown list at the bottom of the login screen, as if I was picking my window manager |
| 00:50.05 | cthuluh | gfredericks: http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Frequently_asked_questions#How_can_I_use_xmonad_with_a_display_manager.3F_.28xdm.2C_kdm.2C_gdm.29 |
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| 00:51.09 | babilen | gfredericks: The same thing *should* be the case in Debian fwiw -- Could be that gdm needs to be restarted or anything even though I would be surprised by that. |
| 00:51.35 | gfredericks | babilen: first thing I did was reboot |
| 00:51.52 | gfredericks | I'm trying the .xsession file now |
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| 00:53.23 | JodaZ | hmm, i set up a nfs client on squeeze now, any when i mount my lenny systems with user mode nfs server they work nicely, but when i mounted a squeeze i had to export all filesystems mounted individually and had to use crossmnt, and now when i read from this nfs mount (especially when i seek in files) i get multi second latencys |
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| 00:53.55 | tdrusk | Is there a way I can run a script when I switch users in Gnome? |
| 00:54.03 | gfredericks | babilen: I have such a menu, but it has only ["GNOME", "System Default", "TWM"] |
| 00:54.46 | burd | gfredericks: This is pretty common for window managers to not get into the gdm menus.. try this link it might help.. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=53457 |
| 00:55.00 | gfredericks | I think adding "xmonad" in the .xsession file just crashed everything, as now logging brings me back to the login page |
| 00:55.08 | gfredericks | no worries though, it's a vm I created just for this |
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| 00:56.07 | gfredericks | isn't there a keybinding for quitting X to a console? |
| 00:56.23 | burd | ctrl+alt+backspace should kill the window manager |
| 00:56.37 | gfredericks | if I'm lucky virtualbox will intercept it |
| 00:56.40 | gfredericks | crosses fingers |
| 00:57.27 | gfredericks | instead it doesn't work at all |
| 00:57.30 | burd | to get to a console without killing X it is ctrl+alt+F1 thru F8 I believe |
| 00:57.32 | gfredericks | oh well I'll just regenerate the vm |
| 00:57.36 | JodaZ | is anyone aware of any issues with crossmnt ? |
| 00:58.20 | cthuluh | JodaZ: did you check bugs.debian.org? |
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| 01:01.44 | i3luefire | hey. i am running lmde and i want to have the little desktop switcher icons that i used to have when i used ubuntu. is that possible? |
| 01:02.08 | cthuluh | !lmde |
| 01:02.09 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 01:05.09 | JodaZ | omg, this is such a joke |
| 01:05.31 | zro | any pointer to an app to shrink DVD ISOs to fit on 4gig disks? |
| 01:05.38 | JodaZ | perfectly working software gets thrown out because its "unmaintained" and then you have to use whatever is the buggy current stuff |
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| 01:06.32 | i3luefire | ok so even tho it is based on debian and is compatible with debian i cannot get any help here? |
| 01:06.39 | burd | JodaZ: Linux has always been about change.. sometimes you like it, sometimes you don't.. |
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| 01:07.24 | peterrooney | i3luefire: the general consensus here is, it's not compatible with debian. "/msg dpkg based on debian" |
| 01:07.26 | burd | i3luefire: exactly becaue there is a slew of packages that are used from non-official repositories.. Debian can't support those packages for Mint |
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| 01:08.57 | peterrooney | wishes both Ubuntu and Mint would get their act together on this issue. |
| 01:08.58 | i3luefire | peterrooney: burd: thank you |
| 01:09.36 | peterrooney | i3luefire: no problem. |
| 01:09.58 | peterrooney | wonders when both Ubuntu and Mint will get their act together on this issue |
| 01:10.03 | burd | agrees with peterrooney |
| 01:10.34 | i3luefire | which issue is that? |
| 01:10.43 | peterrooney | Use SuSE! It uses RPMs, so it's compatible with Red Hat! |
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| 01:11.50 | peterrooney | i3luefire: letting users think that the differences between debian and $distro are minimal and cosmetic |
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| 01:12.18 | i3luefire | by the way the answer to my question was to 1 right-click the panel 2 select add to panel 3 click desktop switcher |
| 01:12.30 | burd | mwahaha nice |
| 01:13.44 | i3luefire | aside from the extra non-supported non-official repos it uses debian repos tho |
| 01:15.22 | burd | i3luefire: Yep.. thats why it is unsupported though.. debian package A may not play nicely with lmde lib B and debian has no control over it nor know what the lmde people have done to cause the issue |
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| 01:17.31 | peterrooney | i3luefire: /msg dpkg based on debian |
| 01:17.37 | burd | i3luefire: granted your question was simple but as you can clearly see none of us knew the answer.. BUT if you had asked how to get the desktop switcher applet in your panel in xfce, I could have been able to answer that immediately.. wording is important |
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| 01:18.55 | i3luefire | peterrooney: i did that thank you |
| 01:19.32 | peterrooney | you're welcome. |
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| 01:20.41 | i3luefire | burd: true. i worded my question wrong and put it in the wrong window too. |
| 01:20.53 | i3luefire | sorry for disturbing everyone |
| 01:20.57 | i3luefire | goodbye |
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| 01:21.10 | peterrooney | i3luefire: i hadn't felt disturbed |
| 01:21.15 | burd | me neither |
| 01:22.09 | burd | I'm a little different though.. I'm not as militant as some can be in this channel.. I'll help anyone if I think I may have an answer for them |
| 01:23.18 | mhall119 | peterrooney: what is it you are wanting Ubuntu and Mint to do? |
| 01:23.31 | burd | mwaaa! |
| 01:24.22 | JodaZ | does anyone know what i need to configure in nfs to make it behave like it used to behave |
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| 01:25.07 | JodaZ | i get a latency in the order of 0.8 seconds (and sometimes a single seek takes 4 seconds even) |
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| 01:26.33 | peterrooney | mhall119: leading their users to think that their distro has no significant differences from debian |
| 01:26.54 | Dulak | mmm shiny compiz |
| 01:27.06 | mhall119 | peterrooney: I'm not sure about Mint, but I don't think Ubuntu does that anywhere |
| 01:27.19 | JodaZ | anyone, please, i am almost crying here, squeeze -(reading from)-> squeeze is 0.8 seconds, squeeze -> lenny is 0.08 sec, i use nfs-user-server for lenny and nfs-kernel-server for squeeze |
| 01:27.27 | mhall119 | indeed, given the number of complaints we get about not mentioning our connection to Debian enough, I'm positive we don't |
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| 01:29.04 | peterrooney | mhall119: yet pretty much twice a week, someone using ubuntu or mint comes in here expecting advice intended for debian can help them |
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| 01:29.24 | mhall119 | peterrooney: more than twice a week, from what I've seen |
| 01:29.30 | mhall119 | I'm not sure why though |
| 01:29.55 | mhall119 | I don't know of anything in Ubuntu or it's related material that points people to debian for help |
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| 01:30.13 | mhall119 | we point people to debian for upstreaming patches and new packages, but not for support |
| 01:30.29 | mhall119 | but maybe just knowing about the connection is enough to get a small number of users coming here |
| 01:30.56 | mhall119 | The "Debian Edition" of Mint might be giving that impression, but I can't say for sure |
| 01:30.56 | peterrooney | well, in all fairness, it's not a daily occurence. |
| 01:31.27 | mhall119 | peterrooney: if you ever find out about something pointing Ubuntu users here, let me know and I'll get it corrected |
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| 01:31.44 | stew | its a lot better than when the irc clients would land them here on startup |
| 01:31.51 | stew | which lasted for years |
| 01:32.35 | dx | hi #debian! i'm helping a friend whose pulseaudio is broken. apt-get remove pulseaudio seems to remove half of KDE, how can this be avoided? |
| 01:32.36 | gnarface | so i have mysql-server-5.1 installed (debian squeeze) and munin-node-configure --shell recommends nothing. what am i missing? |
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| 01:34.15 | stew | dx: see: http://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article8/uninstall-meta-package but you'll have to figure out what the kde equivalents to these gnome meta packages |
| 01:34.31 | iluminator105 | is there a theme for gnome 3.2 that makes it look like gnome 2.30? |
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| 01:34.57 | dx | stew: thanks! |
| 01:35.19 | stew | !install kde |
| 01:35.20 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, the 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install". See also <KDE>. |
| 01:36.10 | stew | dx: ^^^ so kde-full or kde is probably the equiv. to "gnome" 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' are probably equiv to "gnome-desktop-environment" and "kde-standard" to "gnome-core" |
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| 01:37.14 | dx | stew: oddly when i asked him for the exact apt-get remove output, it's just pulseaudio and two other pulseaudio related packages, nothing from KDE. could it be that the GUI package manager wanted to remove more stuff than apt-get? |
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| 01:38.18 | underdawg | hey all. My admin updated my system to use the testing repo. He is off work, and now I am getting segfaults in one of my perl scripts. I did an strace, and this happens when bless() is called in my script. I want to downgrade perl. I changed the repo urls in sources.list, then ran apt-get update. |
| 01:38.44 | underdawg | But when I do apt-cache showplg perl. it still shows perl 5.14 |
| 01:38.45 | stew | underdawg: you can't downgrade |
| 01:39.16 | stew | underdawg: if you want to go back to stable, the best bet is to reinstall |
| 01:39.17 | underdawg | stew: because it is perl? Ir just in general? |
| 01:39.29 | stew | in general |
| 01:39.35 | underdawg | I just want to downgrade perl, or install perl 5.10 side by side. |
| 01:40.18 | stew | underdawg: you could install perl from source into some other directory, but you don't want to change /usr/bin/perl or put another "perl" into the default path |
| 01:40.37 | underdawg | right i will install it into /usr/local/bin/perl |
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| 01:40.43 | stew | no, don't do that |
| 01:40.53 | underdawg | or /usr/local/perl5/bin/perl rather |
| 01:41.11 | underdawg | but I cant do that with a package? |
| 01:41.22 | stew | no, you can't do that with a package |
| 01:41.38 | underdawg | even in a chroot? |
| 01:41.49 | stew | you could install stable in a chroot, sure |
| 01:41.56 | stew | using debootstrap |
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| 01:42.54 | clone_of_saturn | schroot is nicer |
| 01:43.14 | underdawg | ok perfect, then Ill just run this little system in a chroot |
| 01:43.18 | underdawg | wouldnt hurt anyhow |
| 01:45.01 | underdawg | so, real wuick. The fact that I commented out the testing repos in sources.list, then ran apt-get update... Should I uncomment the lines and re-run that? |
| 01:46.02 | stew | underdawg: yes, and you want "wheezy" not "testing" probably |
| 01:46.21 | underdawg | no, we are using testing right now. |
| 01:46.28 | underdawg | I think we want that |
| 01:46.31 | stew | underdawg: yes, you are using wheezy right now |
| 01:46.45 | underdawg | oh wheezy == testing? |
| 01:46.51 | stew | right now it is, yes |
| 01:46.54 | underdawg | ok cool |
| 01:46.58 | dx | stew: my friend wants me to tell you "thank you" because that link you gave me is pure gold :D |
| 01:47.03 | underdawg | sorry man, never used deb before |
| 01:47.17 | stew | then you probably want to resintall stable |
| 01:47.26 | stew | dx: :) |
| 01:47.32 | underdawg | stew: me? |
| 01:47.34 | stew | yes |
| 01:47.46 | underdawg | oh, im not running this system, my admin is |
| 01:48.31 | underdawg | alot of the packages that are in wheezy seem be be right around the same versions that I get on archlinux. |
| 01:49.00 | underdawg | not sure why perl segfaults, havent seen it do that on 5.14 before. But it does in deb |
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| 01:49.43 | stew | underdawg: you should check the bts |
| 01:50.01 | stew | but we are either in the middle of or just finished a big perl transition in testing |
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| 01:50.28 | stew | still ongoing: http://release.debian.org/transitions/html/perl5.14.html |
| 01:50.39 | underdawg | k thanks |
| 01:51.02 | stew | though i wouldn't expect it to cause segfaults |
| 01:51.15 | stew | i'd check memtest |
| 01:51.30 | stew | well, I'd also check that you are actually running testing instead of a mix of stable and testing |
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| 01:55.22 | afat | is |
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| 01:55.46 | afat | how many cds of debain should I download to get a fully kde on and up? |
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| 01:58.04 | afat | wlellllllllllllllllllllllll? |
| 01:58.10 | afat | are you all bots? |
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| 01:59.42 | nevyn | afat: generally unless you must do an offline install I reccomend using the net-inst cd |
| 01:59.52 | nevyn | and then grabbing the rest once the system is installed |
| 02:00.02 | afat | ok |
| 02:00.29 | stew | afat: get the CD1 which is specifically for kde |
| 02:00.36 | afat | how much download in mbs does it take to get to a kde says you? |
| 02:00.46 | furgar | can anyone help me configure x? |
| 02:00.55 | afat | uhm. |
| 02:01.24 | stew | furgar: if you ask a more specific question |
| 02:01.25 | nevyn | furgar: X no longer needs configuration it's ponys and rainbows all round |
| 02:01.38 | nevyn | so sayeth dave and keith ;-P |
| 02:01.49 | furgar | stew: it keeps saying no screens found |
| 02:01.59 | furgar | stew: from a default config |
| 02:02.04 | afat | debian trivia |
| 02:02.10 | afat | what does kde stand for? |
| 02:02.23 | nevyn | The K desktop environment |
| 02:02.35 | nevyn | it was originally kewl but they ran away from that pr nightmare |
| 02:03.00 | afat | I see. |
| 02:03.43 | mactimes | Hey there again. Is there a way I can have real firefox running under Squeeze? |
| 02:03.44 | stew | furgar: do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 02:04.28 | nevyn | mactimes: not within debian however mozilla do provide a repo for stable aiui |
| 02:04.53 | stew | mactimes: yes, its called "iceweasel" in debian |
| 02:05.20 | zykotick9 | mactimes, i see no need (for images really?). If you want to track current use m.d.n |
| 02:05.54 | mactimes | nevyn I've downloaded latest one from "releases", which should be 64 bits, but it doesn't seem to start properly due to library issues. |
| 02:06.10 | mactimes | stew Sure. But it's not latest version, is it? |
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| 02:06.28 | stew | mactimes: if you need the latest version go to http://mozilla.debian.net |
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| 02:07.11 | mactimes | zykotick9 No. Just for me to keep up-to-date with my customers, thought it would be nice to provide support to them if I have a similar environment. |
| 02:07.28 | mactimes | stew Thank you. I'll take a look at that. |
| 02:07.42 | JodaZ | why does nfs2 have a latency thats a order of magnitude lower than that of nfs3 ? |
| 02:07.44 | furgar | stew: i have one that im testing different settings on |
| 02:08.29 | furgar | stew: i have it in my root directory |
| 02:08.46 | furgar | stew: /root |
| 02:09.08 | stew | furgar: do you get "no screens found" when you try without one at all? |
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| 02:11.25 | furgar | stew: if i just type start x i get a addscreen/screenini failed for driver 0 |
| 02:11.57 | furgar | stew: x seems to be going to some other directory for a config file |
| 02:12.06 | stew | furgar: x normally doens't use a config file |
| 02:12.12 | stew | furgar: do you know what driver you are using? |
| 02:12.50 | furgar | stew: i have had success in the past with nv and vesa |
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| 02:13.04 | furgar | stew: i dont care which just as long as i get something |
| 02:13.14 | furgar | stew: puppy loads just fine |
| 02:13.25 | furgar | stew: im still really new to linux |
| 02:16.09 | furgar | stew: i wish there was a way i could post the log file but i dont know how to do that from the command line |
| 02:17.33 | furgar | it was working with lenny and now it does not work with squeeze |
| 02:17.54 | burd | furgar: As a new user, the first piece of advice I would give you is answer the questions you are asked when asking for help, if you don't understand what is being asked, say something.. it just makes things easier all around to get to the root of your issue |
| 02:17.55 | stew | !pastewihtoutx |
| 02:18.07 | stew | uh, whats that factiod named |
| 02:18.18 | burd | you mispelled without |
| 02:18.40 | furgar | burd: i thought i did answer all the questions asked of me |
| 02:19.14 | karlpinc_ | !pastebinit |
| 02:19.14 | furgar | burd: i have tried the nv driver and the vesa driver and they arent working |
| 02:19.14 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <nopaste>. |
| 02:19.22 | burd | furgar: not really, stew asked if you have an xorg.conf in /etc/X11 directory.. if it is not in that directory the conf does not get used |
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| 02:19.52 | furgar | burd: i told him i did not |
| 02:20.11 | furgar | burd: then he said it did not need one |
| 02:20.15 | burd | furgar: but you said you were trying to use a config in your /root directory which X will not use |
| 02:20.21 | Dulak | that reminds me I need to put my xorg.conf into my dotfiles repo |
| 02:20.55 | stew | burd: it seems you are misunderstanding him |
| 02:21.00 | furgar | burd: i have been using the X -config <filename> |
| 02:21.11 | burd | stew: I think you are right |
| 02:21.22 | stew | furgar: see what dpkg said above to get /var/log/Xorg.0.log pasted |
| 02:21.33 | stew | furgar: i'm most interested in seeing it when you have no xorg.conf |
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| 02:21.37 | burd | furgar: when you use XConfig liek that you have to copy the generated file from /root/xorg.conf.new to /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 02:21.55 | stew | burd: no, he doesn't |
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| 02:22.21 | burd | stew: really? explain this must be something with squeeze I do not know |
| 02:22.25 | burd | please |
| 02:22.40 | stew | burd: no, its not, "man Xorg" and look at the -config argument he says he is passing |
| 02:23.00 | karlpinc_ | furgar: E.g., to paste (something like): pastebinit < /var/log/Xorg.0.log (I forget the filename.) |
| 02:23.06 | stew | by "its not" i mean "its not something unique to squeeze or new to squeeze" or anything |
| 02:23.10 | burd | stew: sorry I'll shut up now :P |
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| 02:24.28 | karlpinc_ | furgar: You may need to install pastebinit. |
| 02:26.32 | furgar | stew: http://pastebin.com/3RD4u4V7 |
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| 02:27.31 | furgar | stew: oh wait i forgot to copy my config sorry |
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| 02:29.59 | k1ng_ | how do i install phpMyAdmin 3.4.8? |
| 02:30.11 | k1ng_ | debian repo has 3.3.7 :( |
| 02:31.27 | furgar | stew: ok here is the right one http://pastebin.com/YThLqMeh |
| 02:31.49 | karlpinc_ | k1ng_: The sane thing to do is wait for the next debian release. Or you could do your own systems integraton and install from source or backport. (I don't think it's in backports.) |
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| 02:37.27 | furgar | burd: im desperate for anyones help if you are still interested |
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| 02:39.03 | burd | furgar: something seems fishy there like there is another module(driver) loaded already or something |
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| 02:42.22 | SerajewelKS | when creating a raid1 array, is it customary/recommended to create a partition to fill the entire disk and create the array from that partition, or to use the entire disk as the raid device? |
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| 02:42.58 | furgar | burd: when i boot i come to a blinking curser in the top left of my screen |
| 02:43.05 | zeltak | hya guys..complete neewb to debian need sos help...im stuck in the installer in the grub part |
| 02:43.20 | zeltak | i have a raid the machine on sda-sdd |
| 02:43.31 | zeltak | and the drive im installing debian on is sde |
| 02:43.44 | zeltak | but debian wont let me install grub on it...help?? |
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| 02:44.51 | furgar | burd: when i do "ps -A | most" i dont see X running |
| 02:45.22 | mactimes | stew Hey. That worked just fine! Any tips on how I could get latest Thunderbird? |
| 02:45.42 | burd | furgar: what display manager are you using? gdm, kdm, xdm |
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| 02:45.53 | mactimes | stew Would that be "icedove"? |
| 02:46.06 | zeltak | anyone..pretty please with sugar on top :) im really stuck in the middle of installation.... |
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| 02:46.18 | burd | mactimes: yes |
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| 02:47.49 | furgar | burd: i have no idea i just excepted the defaults on a netinstall |
| 02:48.03 | mactimes | burd Thanks! |
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| 02:50.49 | burd | furgar: maybe try xserver-xorg-video-all just for good measure? |
| 02:52.27 | burd | furgar: sorry, try installing that package using apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-all |
| 02:52.41 | stew | he would already have that package |
| 02:52.51 | stew | furgar: does "lsmod | grep nouveau" return a match? |
| 02:53.59 | stew | zeltak: hardware raid or software raid? |
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| 02:54.11 | stew | i guess software if its sda - sdd |
| 02:54.38 | furgar | stew: yes |
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| 02:54.48 | burd | there's the issue |
| 02:55.16 | burd | X is trying to use the NV driver but the nouveau driver is already loaded |
| 02:55.55 | furgar | burd: i thought the nv was short for nvidia |
| 02:56.01 | furgar | burd: stupid me |
| 02:56.09 | stew | it is |
| 02:56.10 | burd | furgar: both are nvidia drivers.. |
| 02:56.13 | mhall119 | it is, but it's 2d only |
| 02:56.18 | furgar | burd: oh ok |
| 02:56.46 | burd | furgar: nv driver is for older legacy hardware such as you vanta.. nouveau is for modern nvidia hardware |
| 02:56.47 | furgar | burd: is there a process i need to kill or should i install the package you mentioned ealier |
| 02:57.20 | stew | furgar: what happens if you run "modprobe -r nouveau" ? |
| 02:57.33 | burd | furgar: There may be a better way but if it were me I would.. rmmod nouveau and then modprobe nv |
| 02:57.54 | stew | burd: there is no nv kernel driver |
| 02:58.08 | burd | stew: why is his X trying to load one then? |
| 02:58.20 | furgar | stew: it says fatal mod is in use |
| 02:58.28 | stew | burd: its not |
| 02:58.56 | burd | stew: I thinkyou may be looking at the first pate which was incorrect |
| 02:59.00 | burd | paste |
| 02:59.37 | stew | burd: X would not try to load a nv driver which has never existed |
| 02:59.49 | burd | Module nv: vendor="X.Org Foundation" |
| 02:59.49 | burd | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:59.49 | burd | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.01 | furgar | stew: http://pastebin.com/YThLqMeh this should be the right link |
| 03:00.13 | stew | yeah, that's the one I was looing at |
| 03:02.11 | furgar | should i remove nougeau then since im not using a modern computer? |
| 03:02.14 | stew | furgar: so you can try to get the experimental nouveau driver working or you can try to prevent the nouveau kernel module from loading and use the nv driver |
| 03:02.19 | furgar | nouveau* |
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| 03:03.02 | furgar | stew: i would rather prevent it i guess |
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| 03:03.29 | burd | stew: you have to understand the video card is from like 1999.. I used Vanta for years and it never supported even the "nvidia" drivers ever.. always nv for that old old stuff |
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| 03:03.56 | stew | furgar: you can try blacklisting the nouveau driver: |
| 03:03.58 | stew | !blacklist |
| 03:03.58 | dpkg | In lenny and later, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
| 03:04.06 | burd | now your talkin |
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| 03:04.18 | stew | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 03:04.18 | dpkg | If your kernel uses an initramfs image (e.g. Debian stock kernel images), you need to run 'update-initramfs -u' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf |
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| 03:05.26 | furgar | all that stuff went way over my head |
| 03:05.41 | furgar | i guess dpkg is a bot then? |
| 03:06.06 | burd | furgar: Yes |
| 03:06.25 | furgar | burd: let me try creating the blacklist then rebooting |
| 03:06.29 | gischy | ^^ |
| 03:06.32 | gischy | :D |
| 03:06.43 | burd | furgar: you have to get the nouveau driver unloaded and stop it from loading at boot, once you do that the nv driver will load and joy will occur :) |
| 03:06.53 | stew | furgar: you need to do the "update-initramfs -u" before you reboot |
| 03:07.20 | furgar | stew: do i run that command after i create the blacklist? |
| 03:07.28 | stew | furgar: yes |
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| 03:08.48 | burd | I have been in that nvidia doldrum so many times in the last decade (mostly caused by my own stupidity).. it's a pain the first few times but once you get it figured out it isn't so bad to deal with |
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| 03:18.33 | furgar | IT IS SO BEAUTIFUL :') |
| 03:18.43 | furgar | thank you everyone for the help |
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| 04:03.39 | stew | emmetea: install os-prober |
| 04:04.08 | stew | belak: see "apt-cache show dbconfig-common" |
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| 04:07.31 | belak | stew: So, it's a way of managing apps like phpbb in packages and having the db taken care of |
| 04:07.34 | belak | ? |
| 04:09.41 | simonlnu | takes care of setting the db up |
| 04:09.54 | simonlnu | creating db, etc. |
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| 04:10.52 | belak | Thanks! |
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| 04:45.38 | meLon | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:46.41 | meLon | It's messing with my fstab entry* |
| 04:46.48 | meLon | ie dual mounting points ewwww |
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| 04:52.39 | shachaf | !anyone |
| 04:52.40 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 04:52.46 | shachaf | I see. |
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| 05:16.44 | mondragon | I'm using apt-ftparchive to try to generate Release files and it's generating absolutely nothing... (instructions from http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch7.en.html#s-check-non-debian-releases) |
| 05:16.50 | mondragon | anyone know how to use it? |
| 05:17.41 | mondragon | (it does seem to work to replace dpkg-scanpackages, as advertised) |
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| 05:54.29 | gasull | how do I uninstall SELinux? |
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| 05:54.59 | GordonFreeman | as root type: rm -rf / |
| 05:55.19 | lstarnes | but that destroys everything |
| 05:55.22 | yagoo | gasull, it's not on by default, there's nothing to do |
| 05:56.00 | gasull | yagoo: but I installed it, then I tried to remove it. Now my system doesn't boot |
| 05:56.30 | gasull | GordonFreeman: I didn't expect those comments in this channel. |
| 05:56.47 | simonlnu | GordonFreeman: do not EVER suggest that here. |
| 05:57.07 | GordonFreeman | i didn't expect that question on this channel |
| 05:57.10 | simonlnu | GordonFreeman: expect to be banned for that sort of stupid comment. |
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| 05:57.31 | nkuttler | how can i find out why a package wasn't built for an arch? no bug reports |
| 05:58.01 | Zeranoe | GordonFreeman: I doubt you were born understanding Linux. Everyone needs to start somewhere. |
| 05:58.07 | simonlnu | gasull: same way you remove other packages |
| 05:58.14 | GordonFreeman | ok |
| 05:58.23 | GordonFreeman | SELinux is part of the LINUX KERNEL |
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| 05:58.41 | GordonFreeman | so go and uninstall |
| 05:58.42 | gasull | simonlnu: not, that didn't work. I did that and now my system doesn't boot up properly. I can't enter Xfce |
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| 05:59.30 | lstarnes | the userland components of selinux are not part of the kernel though |
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| 06:01.03 | simonlnu | gasull: you have to explictly enable the kernel space stuff for selinux. as for the user space, you remove that stuff. if you enabled the kernel stuff, but want to disable it, you need to reboot for it to take effect. |
| 06:01.14 | simonlnu | explicitly* |
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| 06:03.18 | simonlnu | gasull: there are some packages you can't remove because a lot of things depend on them, like some selinux libraries, but you can remove the tools, utilities, etc. |
| 06:06.19 | gasull | simonlnu: my system just got unbootable. fortunately I just installed it and there wasn't data there I care. I just wanted to avoid installing again from scratch. I guess it will be less work. Thanks anyway. |
| 06:07.16 | gasull | I wonder how people use SELinux at all. It doesn't let me run firefox and that's why I tried to remove it. |
| 06:07.38 | lstarnes | if it is configured right then firefox should work |
| 06:09.10 | gasull | just installed firefox w/o addons or anything, and SELinux with the default instructions. Firefox crashes and refuses to start ever again. |
| 06:10.27 | yagoo | gasull, try selinux=0 on the kernel bootline |
| 06:10.33 | simonlnu | you can avoid reinstalling by booting rescue with an install cd and fixing it there. |
| 06:11.02 | simonlnu | yes, you can just add that to the grub command line via the menu |
| 06:12.35 | gasull | yagoo, simonlnu: ok, so I boot with the CD and what do I do then? |
| 06:13.12 | yagoo | gasull, nobody asked you to do that |
| 06:13.35 | yagoo | gasull, try the grub menu and append selinux=0 to the appropriate bootline |
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| 06:14.27 | simonlnu | we're offering alternate ways, not "do this now!" orders. you need to consider what *you* want to do. |
| 06:15.35 | yagoo | oh.. simonlnu did mention that as an alternative.. but there's simply choose what you want to do.. you dont need to rescue cd to do the grub-menu from the hd |
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| 06:16.34 | simonlnu | exactly |
| 06:18.19 | gasull | It's the first time I use the grub-menu command line. I entered selinux=0 there, then ESC in a new line, then I chose the first entry in the GRUB menu. Still kernel panic and halt. |
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| 06:18.45 | yagoo | gasull, follow the bottom instructions.. you don't press escape.. you do ctl-<something> .. |
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| 06:19.09 | simonlnu | ^x |
| 06:19.11 | yagoo | gasull, it may be ctl-e or it may not.. you may not need to do escape (just follow any instructions if there are any) |
| 06:19.46 | simonlnu | ^e to edit. esc just aborts it, like everywhere else |
| 06:20.17 | simonlnu | i'm confusing myself, hold on |
| 06:20.39 | yagoo | simonlnu, hehe.. thats because it changed over from grub1.. |
| 06:21.13 | yagoo | believes grub1 you do escape+anothershortkey, but grub2 you don't do escape |
| 06:21.16 | nevyn | nkuttler: look it up on p.d.o |
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| 06:23.13 | simonlnu | ^x is execute, ^c is command line, e is to edit |
| 06:23.24 | simonlnu | was going by muscle memory |
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| 06:24.55 | gasull | Thank you, guys. It worked like charm |
| 06:25.57 | yagoo | gasull, btw if you're wondering how people use it.. probably the most basic example is to use a plugin for nautilus that let's you graphically edit acl -- plus there are services that need tinkering -- eg: if you use ~/public_html with apache , you'd need to setup selinux to enable write for that.. |
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| 06:26.16 | yagoo | gasull, you probably needed to manually update the selinux labels.. |
| 06:26.46 | yagoo | gasull, you can try new monkey stuff.. but i'd suggest virtualbox so you don't get stuck on your actual system.. |
| 06:26.54 | yagoo | :p |
| 06:27.05 | simonlnu | good idea |
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| 06:27.33 | gasull | yahoo: right :) Well, it was a new installed system, without my data in it yet, so I thought it was a good moment to experiment |
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| 06:29.51 | yagoo | gasull, if you're new to linux stuff and want very fine control of your desktop, i would suggest checking out dbus, and how you can tinker it's policies to have your desktop integrate with the bottom services exactly the way you want it to.. |
| 06:30.09 | yagoo | thinks he's the only one who knows how to use network-manager with ifupdown properly :) |
| 06:30.20 | yagoo | ^ discovered a few days ago.. |
| 06:30.59 | nsadmin | nm is kinda nice for situations where a laptop goes into different nets |
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| 06:31.26 | nsadmin | but isn't useful for a stationary machine |
| 06:32.16 | nevyn | like nm |
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| 06:33.47 | yagoo | nsadmin, i hope ifupdown stays and doesn't go obsolete.. i wouldn't understand how a server can have it's interfaces come up |
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| 06:34.31 | yagoo | nsadmin, but i had to research this into the latest ubuntu.. hopefully debian is not following their upstart way of doing things.. |
| 06:34.40 | simonlnu | should probably change the backend though, like use iproute |
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| 06:37.16 | nsadmin | yagoo, well ubuntu has limited influence over debian, by their own choice |
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| 06:38.39 | nkuttler | can somebody recommend a graphical biff that can handle multiple imap mailboxes? |
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| 06:39.49 | nsadmin | well multiple of invocations of single graphical biffs come to mind as something easier to find |
| 06:40.11 | nkuttler | :\ |
| 06:40.37 | nsadmin | I guess a biff comes with a config file? |
| 06:41.17 | nkuttler | oh maybe i should just work on becoming a dd before all those dockapps become unmaintained |
| 06:41.23 | nvz | so... I've been sitting here doing your average rsync -avr user@host:/home/user /home, copied nearly all the data 60gb or so worth, then all of a sudden it comes up and says authenticity of host can't be established, are you sure you want to continue connecting? whats the deal with that? |
| 06:41.35 | nkuttler | or build them locally.. |
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| 06:41.54 | simonlnu | nvz: sounds like ssh intruding |
| 06:42.14 | nvz | simonlnu: thats what I was thinking which is why I have been sitting here not answering the question |
| 06:42.19 | nvz | heh |
| 06:42.55 | nvz | answers no, as rsync can be resumed |
| 06:43.50 | nvz | just not sure what to do at this point.. its nearly 2am.. and I'm half asleep.. heh |
| 06:44.00 | nvz | not thinking clearly. |
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| 06:44.31 | Dulak | nvz: are you rsyncing a live / to another live /? |
| 06:45.26 | valdyn | nvz: if that remote host has a dynamic ip or you never connected before, then you get that message |
| 06:45.31 | nvz | Dulak: the machien I ran the rsync on is copying the homdir of the user from this machine to the one I ran the machine on |
| 06:45.58 | nvz | I am logged in as the user on the machine that ran the rsync command, but not on the one that has the data |
| 06:46.16 | valdyn | nvz: alternatively you have a man in the middle attack |
| 06:46.17 | nvz | both are on the same router right below this table btw |
| 06:46.27 | Dulak | nvz: ahhh, then it overwrote the .ssh/known_hosts and now doesn't understand what happened, answer yes |
| 06:46.28 | nvz | which means someone had to hack my router to be doig this |
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| 06:46.36 | valdyn | nvz: thats why youre supposed to verify the fingerptint that you are shown |
| 06:47.02 | nvz | right I figured that much.. but I am half asleep and couldnt think of how to get the fingerprint on this machine.. heh |
| 06:47.14 | Dulak | no, you overwrote the file ssh uses to keep track of the known hosts, so it popped you that 'oh this host is new, want to add it' prompt |
| 06:47.23 | nvz | never occured to me that its overwriting the ~/.ssh |
| 06:47.28 | valdyn | nvz: you cant verify the fingerprint unless you already have it |
| 06:47.42 | nvz | cause originally I wasnt going to sync directly to the homedir I was gonna do it to a subdir |
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| 06:48.14 | nvz | valdyn: I can't see what this machines fingerprint is? |
| 06:48.23 | valdyn | nvz: its about the remote host |
| 06:48.34 | valdyn | nvz: you cant verify the key or its fingerprint without logging into it |
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| 06:48.52 | nvz | technically there is no remote host.. its a desktop and a netbook currently hooked to the same router on the same table using synergy right now |
| 06:48.53 | valdyn | nvz: but to log in you first need to accept the key / fingerprint without being able to verify it |
| 06:48.55 | nvz | heh |
| 06:49.16 | nsadmin | nkuttler, there are a number of pkgs returned by apt-cache search biff |
| 06:49.23 | valdyn | nvz: so the only way might be to log in at the local console |
| 06:49.35 | nvz | I just thought someone hacked into the router and was intercepting the connection |
| 06:49.48 | nvz | through wifi or something |
| 06:49.50 | valdyn | nvz: more likely your remote ip changed |
| 06:49.53 | Dulak | Yeah, you man-in-the-middled yourself |
| 06:50.01 | nvz | Dulak: seems like it |
| 06:50.04 | nvz | heh |
| 06:50.35 | nvz | cause I overwrote the local ~/.ssh of the user running the command with the ~/.ssh of the user on the remote machine it seems |
| 06:50.43 | nkuttler | nsadmin: thanks, but i was looking for something specific |
| 06:51.22 | nvz | the IPs are the same.. and I'm suppose to be the only two machines on this network |
| 06:51.35 | nvz | 192.168.0.100 and .101 |
| 06:51.42 | Dulak | Yes, that's what happened, I have done it myself before |
| 06:51.44 | valdyn | nvz: so obviously you can easily verify the fingerprint on the local console |
| 06:52.24 | Dulak | switch to another console, ssh to the remote side, and let it add the key to known_hosts again |
| 06:52.39 | nvz | valdyn: gimme a hint I was falling asleep in my chair like 6hrs ago.. heh |
| 06:52.40 | Dulak | Then restart your rsync |
| 06:53.55 | nvz | Dulak: sounds like a plan.. I knew there was a reason I was originally going to rsync it to a local SUBDIR and not the homedir.. just couldnt remember why and figured I wont have to move everything later |
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| 06:54.12 | valdyn | nvz: ssh-keygen -lf /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub |
| 06:54.48 | Dulak | nvz: I have done that exact thing before, only I was doing / to / (which is a horrid idea btw) |
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| 06:55.55 | nvz | Dulak: its weird how these things happen when your brain is partially offline.. you know better at first but then you change your mind cause you figure you'll forget to do the next few steps hours later when youre even more tired.. so you try automate everything |
| 06:56.17 | nvz | then before you know it, something comes up that looks like a man in the middle attack.. and you're like shit.. wth?! |
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| 06:56.51 | Dulak | nvz: I do all that stuff with fabric now so it can do all the steps in a row automated and I don't have to worry about human error. |
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| 06:57.51 | nvz | Dulak: fabric eh? that term is foreign to me |
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| 06:58.38 | Dulak | nvz: it's a python automation tool, for automating sysadmin tasks. You write a script once for things, then you can do the same steps to multiple machines |
| 06:58.52 | nvz | mmm python.. gonna have to look into that |
| 06:58.53 | Dulak | nvz: or repeatedly to the same machine |
| 06:59.15 | nvz | likes python |
| 07:00.00 | Dulak | so for instance to sync my music dirs across all 5 of my workstation machines I type 'fab syncmusic' and it connects to each machine in turn and rsyncs ~/Music around so all me machines have all my music. |
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| 07:00.45 | nvz | would appear I just lost connectivity due to lag of having too many virtual world clients going at once |
| 07:00.54 | Dulak | nvz: to sync my music dirs across all 5 of my workstation machines I type 'fab syncmusic' and it connects to each machine in turn and rsyncs ~/Music around so all my machines have all my music. |
| 07:01.03 | Dulak | nvz: that's all you missed ^^ |
| 07:01.16 | nvz | ah. I really gotta get hip to that one |
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| 07:01.36 | nvz | sounds like less work than what I do |
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| 07:02.10 | nkuttler | i use unison for that |
| 07:02.20 | yagoo | nvz, i'm no expert, but can this stuff have to do with /etc/nsswitch.conf ? (hosts: files dns ) << i robbed mdns out of this because i was haiving problems with the ping command |
| 07:02.28 | Dulak | It just lets you automate command line tasks, it uses ssh to run commands remotely if needed. It's quite useful, but doesn't scale as well as puppet or chef |
| 07:02.47 | nvz | yagoo: think you tab completed me by mistake |
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| 07:03.27 | nvz | I code this kinda crap from scratch when I need to.. should probably be using tools like that |
| 07:04.20 | nvz | leaves himself a note |
| 07:04.41 | yagoo | Dulak, or you can simply use a raid central server and have all stations use nfs against it :) |
| 07:05.11 | Dulak | yagoo: that doesn't work so well from the office to home... if they were all in 1 location I would do that |
| 07:05.26 | yagoo | Dulak, oh that's good hehehe |
| 07:05.32 | yagoo | Dulak, wimax!! |
| 07:05.41 | nvz | joins offtopic and goes to free up some bandwidth |
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| 07:06.15 | Dulak | irc should always be QOS to your highest priority bucket! |
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| 07:06.33 | belak | How can I mark a package as automatically installed... |
| 07:06.50 | yagoo | i never see the use of qos.. i have 30mbit here :) |
| 07:07.11 | Dulak | yagoo: I pay for 7 and get 1.5, you lucky bastid |
| 07:07.21 | yagoo | hehe |
| 07:07.54 | nvz | idk I just had two virtual world viewers going on the same machine as this irc and apparently saturated my router |
| 07:08.06 | nvz | its a dlink, nuff said |
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| 07:08.11 | nvz | heh |
| 07:08.16 | Dulak | belak: what do you mean automatically installed? |
| 07:08.51 | yagoo | nvz, what's that vw viewer.. that like opensim? |
| 07:09.12 | nvz | yagoo: yeah, exactly |
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| 07:09.39 | yagoo | nvz, i dont trust that stuff.. it can be part of a grid and easily consumes bandwidth.. |
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| 07:10.14 | yagoo | nvz, you really host this for other users? i wouldn't mind giving it a spin |
| 07:10.25 | nvz | yagoo: I so far have done nothing useful with the technology btu I dabble with both OS and SL |
| 07:10.45 | Dulak | oh it's .net? ewwww |
| 07:10.51 | nvz | currently I was just on SecondLife.. my OpenSims have been down for awhile |
| 07:11.03 | yagoo | nvz, yeah.. it's good stuff.. but is it practical.. that is the question..(last i picked up some people were able to access googld docs with it) |
| 07:11.37 | belak | Dulak: I had to install a package manually to satisfy a dep for a deb... now that the deb is installed, I can mark the dep as autoinstalled, as opposed to manually installed... |
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| 07:12.09 | yagoo | nvz, it isn't any close to being fully debian-compliant i'm guessing.. last i checked was long long time ago.. |
| 07:12.25 | yagoo | (that mono stuff is really dirty and there must be lots of patching) |
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| 07:12.43 | Dulak | belak: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_tidying_auto_manual_install_status |
| 07:12.43 | nvz | yagoo: well opensim and the viewers run fine on debian.. none of the stuff other than .Net is in debian though |
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| 07:13.55 | nvz | yagoo: as for running it in a production environment there are naturally concerns.. I run my OpenSims in a chroot but you still gotta have proc and stuff binded for .Net to work.. so its complicated |
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| 07:15.11 | belak | Dulak: thanks... I guess I just missed that |
| 07:15.29 | Dulak | belak: np |
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| 07:16.00 | yagoo | nvz, ya it is complicated.. i did this on sid long ago on an old p3 for the hell of it.. it would run fine most of the time but it crashed.. the packages were very messy (not in the debian official repo of course) |
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| 07:16.51 | yagoo | nvz, i think that's the best choice to try it-- use divergence and chroot.. |
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| 07:19.16 | belak | Dulak: that guide is kinda unclear... |
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| 07:20.29 | belak | Ah, got it |
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| 07:29.00 | Dulak | belak: yeah aptitude can be kinda obtuse to use sometimes |
| 07:29.21 | Dulak | belak: that's why I just pasted it instead of giving you a concrete answer |
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| 07:32.58 | enkidu | hello, kernel from tree 3.0 ate my ext3 partiton. any similar voices? |
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| 07:34.21 | yagoo | enkidu, maybe you forgot to compile for mbr support hahahaha |
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| 07:35.01 | yagoo | hears ghost whispers from enkidu's machine |
| 07:35.13 | enkidu | ha ha ha |
| 07:35.32 | enkidu | if debian have supported reiserfs i'd have no problem |
| 07:36.00 | yagoo | enkidu, lvm? |
| 07:36.14 | yagoo | no nono not loveme.. logical volume management |
| 07:36.27 | enkidu | nope. single drive, single partition |
| 07:36.45 | yagoo | enkidu, fdisk -l shows /dev/sda1 ? |
| 07:36.54 | yagoo | enkidu, i hope you didnt do /dev/sda << as ext3 |
| 07:37.01 | enkidu | yes it does, i managed to repair it |
| 07:37.24 | yagoo | enkidu, that's problematic using /dev/sda as ext3 |
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| 07:37.29 | enkidu | anyways, 3.0 dont want to boot anymore (it did for two weeks) |
| 07:37.49 | yagoo | enkidu, you should be using a partition table |
| 07:37.52 | enkidu | ... |
| 07:38.40 | yagoo | enkidu, so boot rescue cd and do e2fsck .. |
| 07:38.48 | yagoo | enkidu, and reinst grub |
| 07:39.07 | enkidu | i did, 3.0 wont boot, 2.6 works like a charm |
| 07:39.08 | yagoo | enkidu, so do you know what i'm talking about as not having ext3 for /dev/sda ? |
| 07:39.48 | enkidu | yep. I got rootfs on sda1 swap on sda2 and homefs (reiserfs, god bless) on sda3 |
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| 07:40.35 | yagoo | enkidu, you see any kern messages? |
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| 07:41.15 | enkidu | mesage, that it cannot find sda1 and thet backtrace of panic |
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| 07:41.55 | yagoo | enkidu, you did sometihng.. maybe do a ram test |
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| 07:42.16 | chalcedony | i'm finding that the Debian installer main menu opens something different than i configured before, i'm trying to partition my new hard drive, but 'partitoin disks' seems very different this time around, do i need to just start over? |
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| 07:42.26 | Dulak | Why would you bless a filesystem? |
| 07:42.27 | enkidu | i got new ram, yeah, but memcheck havent find anything |
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| 07:42.50 | yagoo | Dulak, i think he's from a mac background (da "bless" command!!) |
| 07:42.51 | chalcedony | ah i hit back and lost the partition i had set up, it took me to the menu, and going back in i'm lost. |
| 07:42.56 | enkidu | for 12 years i never hhad reiserfs partition broken, only ext3 ones |
| 07:43.09 | yagoo | enkidu, am i right you come from a mac? |
| 07:43.20 | enkidu | no, i hate apples ;) |
| 07:43.26 | Dulak | he said reiserfs, god bless |
| 07:43.35 | Dulak | I was just curious why is all |
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| 07:44.10 | kbx_ | Hi! I am using Wheezy on a computer with an Realtek 8112L chip and the standard kernel does not find the network. Can you give me a hint which driver to use? |
| 07:44.48 | yagoo | kbx_, see if there's an interface, do "ifconfig -a" , check for eth0 or eth1 |
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| 07:49.18 | kbx_ | yagoo:: You are right, eth0 is there! |
| 07:49.30 | kbx_ | yagoo: Hm, what could now be the problem? |
| 07:50.04 | yagoo | kbx_, maybe you need the realtek firmware.. (i get a message saying i need one, but my similar realtek device works without the latest firmware file) |
| 07:50.31 | ompaul | !realtek |
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| 07:50.31 | dpkg | Realtek is a developer of semiconductors. Realtek Ethernet controllers are supported by the 8139too, 8139cp and <r8169> drivers in the mainline Linux kernel. For support of Realtek-based wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rtl818x> (802.11b/g) or <rtl819x> (802.11n). |
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| 07:50.34 | yagoo | kbx_, you should try to set it up.. it's pretty much 2 lines in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:51.06 | enkidu | yagoo: for checking he needs just one command |
| 07:51.08 | enkidu | ;) |
| 07:51.10 | yagoo | kbx_, auto eth0, allow-hotplug eth0, iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 07:51.35 | yagoo | btw.. anyone knows if one should be using allow-auto instead of allow-hotplug? |
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| 07:52.42 | yagoo | kbx_, once you have these 3 lines, (and assuming you use dhcp), you can do /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 07:53.25 | cthuluh | or just ifup eth0 |
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| 07:54.38 | cthuluh | yagoo: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2007/07/msg00375.html |
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| 07:55.27 | yagoo | cthuluh, actually it's "allow-auto" (not auto) |
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| 07:55.30 | ompaul | kbx_: for wheezey that /etc stuff is not the way the way is service networing restart |
| 07:55.37 | ompaul | yagoo: ^^ |
| 07:55.46 | cthuluh | yagoo: allow-auto and auto are synonyms |
| 07:55.55 | kbx_ | It just works without loading any extra firmware. Thank you for the hints! |
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| 07:56.36 | yagoo | kbx_, nice |
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| 07:57.24 | chapo | Hi |
| 07:57.25 | chalcedony | chapo! |
| 07:57.35 | yagoo | kbx_, btw if you do have any problems, you should try to checkout that firmware file, apt-get install firmware-realtek |
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| 07:57.42 | chapo | hows going mate |
| 07:57.57 | chalcedony | chapo are you the same from undernet? |
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| 07:58.03 | chapo | no man |
| 07:58.06 | chalcedony | ah |
| 07:58.16 | chalcedony | he's very smart |
| 07:58.26 | NoReflex | Hello! Anyone using LSI 9211-8i on Debian? It seems the card is recognized OK (lspci shows it as SAS2008) but none of the drives appear. I'm using it on a Supermicro machine with H8DME-2 mainboard (nVidia MCP55 Pro Chipset) |
| 07:59.10 | chapo | where is he from |
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| 08:00.15 | kbx_ | yagoo: firmware-realtek was already installes before. I guess it was a problem with network-manager... |
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| 08:00.44 | yagoo | kbx_, oh.. |
| 08:00.57 | yagoo | kbx_, but if you rebooted it.. does it work? i think i know to make sure it works |
| 08:01.21 | yagoo | kbx_, otherwise you of course would be using the gui to add network configs.. |
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| 08:02.27 | yagoo | i guess i have to try wheezy sometime.. looks like network-manager is becoming more intertwined with the demanding dbus system |
| 08:02.43 | yagoo | (once i finish patching a few crap here) |
| 08:02.45 | yagoo | hehehe |
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| 08:05.11 | kbx_ | yagoo: No, after a reboot it again fails. I have to stop network-manager and restart networking then it works again. |
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| 08:05.20 | yagoo | NoReflex, i believe lsi is very well supported with linux.. they have their supporting repo |
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| 08:06.11 | yagoo | kbx_, use ifupdown in networkmanager.conf .. and have no-macaddress in the [keyfile*?] section.. |
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| 08:08.28 | yagoo | kbx_, if you cant generate /etc/resolv.conf or it is always overwritten... try the resolvconf package |
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| 08:09.34 | yagoo | kbx_, oh ya.. and have managed=false in [ifupdown] section.. |
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| 08:10.29 | yagoo | kbx_, i believe alot of folks online forget to use > unmanaged-devices=mac:<hwaddr>;mac:<hwaddr>;.. in the [keyfile] section.. |
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| 08:11.29 | yagoo | kbx_, try those 3-4 lines in that conf.. then you can even use the nm* commands to bring up/down the interface.. |
| 08:11.38 | yagoo | nmcli <> |
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| 08:13.58 | yagoo | kbx_, and of course you should have plugins=keyfile,ifdownup in your [main] .. << i'm actually trying to find a place to give my piece of documentation on this.. |
| 08:14.06 | NoReflex | yagoo, this is why I purchased this card (everyone recommended it). I fear it might not be compatible with the mainboard (during POST I get the "press ctrl + c to invoke the configuration utility" but if I press Ctrl+C it shows something like Confiuration utility will be invoked after initilization, after a few seconds -> Initialization complete (ROM installed successfully) but the Utility does not appear - it just boots to debian) |
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| 08:14.53 | yagoo | NoReflex, i believe any app/etc from lsi for linux would be for monitoring.. but it should work even without having any lsi code in linux.. |
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| 08:15.21 | yagoo | NoReflex, you can probably do management with their software but it should still work independently without it |
| 08:15.50 | yagoo | NoReflex, now with hardware and compatibility with it, i don't think i can offer much help.. |
| 08:16.10 | yagoo | NoReflex, you probably want to make sure you have the latest bios for your motherboard.. |
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| 08:16.47 | NoReflex | yagoo, will check that, thx |
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| 08:18.06 | yagoo | NoReflex, you want an iso? i can make one in two seconds.. |
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| 08:22.11 | [gnubie] | waves |
| 08:22.44 | [gnubie] | i have a problem but not a debian specific though the server runs on top of debian.. |
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| 08:22.49 | [gnubie] | i have a 2 column csv file that contains "user@domain","password" and i want to insert it into mysql if the email does not exist but update only the password if the email already exist. what is the best way to do it? please remember that the email is not a primary key. please advice. thank you. |
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| 08:24.54 | kbx_ | Sorry, but where is networkmanager.conf located? |
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| 08:25.20 | dym | Hey - i need a bash script to remotely check if an ftp folder is empty or not. any ideas? |
| 08:25.27 | pumafyre | how do I suspend a laptop running squeeze from the command line? |
| 08:26.20 | yagoo | kbx_, http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager |
| 08:26.43 | nkuttler | kbx_: or locate -i networkmanager.conf |
| 08:27.03 | yagoo | kbx_, i'd check with /usr/share/doc first.. as you're using wheezy and things may be different |
| 08:27.28 | yagoo | dym, well you can use the ftp command.. and script with it |
| 08:27.29 | kbx_ | yagoo: Very strange, suddenly it works, I did not change anything... |
| 08:28.27 | yagoo | kbx_, you probably logged on with a user account in the gui and networkmanager probably calle up one of its profiles you stored.. |
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| 08:28.54 | yagoo | kbx_, i'm currently not on wheezy.. but i will be sometime shortly |
| 08:30.09 | kbx_ | yagoo: Maybe you are right. But now it works! |
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| 08:31.27 | yagoo | kbx_, if you have this as a server then you want to make sure it works without having to logon.. if you'r eusing it as a deskto primarily.. there's nothing wrong having networkmanager applet help you configure the interface |
| 08:31.30 | dym | yagoo: does ftp have a "is folder empty" command? ls doesnt show any files, but control code - how could i catch that? |
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| 08:31.53 | yagoo | dym, not sure.. you should check it's manpage.. then play around with echo $? |
| 08:31.57 | yagoo | "$?" |
| 08:32.45 | dym | $? catches return values, right? |
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| 08:33.34 | yagoo | dym, there must be better ftp cli app for this.. i think i saw one a while ago |
| 08:33.54 | dym | yagoo: which one was that? |
| 08:33.58 | kbx_ | yagoo: It would be nice if the DHCP connection came just right up without any interaction. I am just wondering if this also might be a hangover problem of not having the Network available during the installation using Debian installer. |
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| 08:35.38 | yagoo | dym, looks like there's interesting one called ftpwatch (ftpmirror, ftpcopy, ftpgrab) |
| 08:35.52 | yagoo | looks like a few interesting packages (apt-cache show <packagename>) |
| 08:36.23 | yagoo | kbx_, ya that can be done.. but i can't tell right now on wheezy.. |
| 08:36.56 | yagoo | kbx_, i don't know if you can remove networkmanager without removing the entire system.. then you can jsut worrry about ifupdown handling the interfaces |
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| 08:38.01 | simonlnu | yes you can, just gotta be judicious |
| 08:38.24 | dym | yagoo: i cant utilize that. i need to find if a folder is empty or not and pipe that result back into a variable |
| 08:38.46 | yagoo | dym, you checked all 4 already? |
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| 08:39.36 | dym | yagoo: yes, went throught the shortdescription |
| 08:39.40 | yagoo | dym, if you can't script it with ftp or still want to try it a last shot with it.. you can try combining your scripting with the "tee" command |
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| 08:40.19 | yagoo | dym, then you can grep the tee'd file |
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| 08:40.43 | yagoo | dym, eg: -> ls | tee lsoutput.txt ... ls outputs.. and at the same time tee puts that output in a textfile |
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| 08:41.10 | yagoo | dym, or simply use ">" then use grep afterwards.. |
| 08:41.11 | kbx_ | Ok, thanks again! |
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| 08:42.51 | dym | yagoo: problem is i cannot tee while in an ftp session |
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| 08:43.13 | dym | after i opened the connection and im "ls" ing the folder, i wont be able to access tee |
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| 08:44.14 | rrjois | Hi, I am unable to execute any executables on a vfat fs. I am running 6.0.3 amd64 . |
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| 08:47.24 | yagoo | dym, i thought you were trying 1-line commands, i never expected you to try sessioning.. |
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| 08:48.14 | ix_ | hello |
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| 08:48.16 | flamingspinach | rrjois: what happens when you try? |
| 08:48.33 | rrjois | flamingspinach, I get permission denied. |
| 08:48.35 | ix_ | I have a little problem with mplayer |
| 08:48.41 | ix_ | it does not work with xv |
| 08:48.55 | [gnubie] | gtg.. |
| 08:49.02 | ix_ | I think the problem came after I upgraded to kernel 2.6.32 |
| 08:49.03 | flamingspinach | rrjois: then you probably need to mount the volume with different permissions |
| 08:49.45 | rrjois | flamingspinach, I mounted it with "defaults,user,uid=UID,gid=GID,umask=002" .. |
| 08:50.24 | yagoo | dym, check out ftp-upload .. it's made to be run from command line and not meant to be run interactively |
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| 08:53.20 | flamingspinach | rrjois: what is the option "user"? I don't see it in `man mount` |
| 08:54.09 | rrjois | flamingspinach, user option says that the fs can mounted by a normal user too. check man fstab :) |
| 08:54.20 | flamingspinach | oh :) |
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| 08:54.40 | flamingspinach | then, I am not sure. |
| 08:54.53 | rrjois | flamingspinach, I have never faced this problem, any idea?? :) |
| 08:55.17 | flamingspinach | well, what are the permissions actually in effect on the files? |
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| 08:55.41 | flamingspinach | (according to `stat` or `ls`) |
| 08:56.04 | rrjois | flamingspinach, 002 |
| 08:56.12 | flamingspinach | wtf |
| 08:56.28 | flamingspinach | then set umask=775 and see what happens, lol |
| 08:57.04 | rrjois | flamingspinach, i mean, -rwxrwxr-x |
| 08:57.07 | rrjois | :) |
| 08:57.12 | flamingspinach | ok, that is 775 |
| 08:57.24 | rrjois | ya |
| 08:57.27 | flamingspinach | and yet it says permission denied... |
| 08:57.57 | flamingspinach | maybe it's the fault of the program itself? Try compiling a hello world binary, put it on the vfat volume and try to run it |
| 08:57.59 | rrjois | I just wrote a simple C program, I compiled it. But now I cant execute the executable. It says permission denied |
| 08:58.12 | rrjois | I cant run any binary |
| 08:58.13 | flamingspinach | what about a shell script? will that run? |
| 08:58.25 | rrjois | let me check |
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| 08:58.54 | flamingspinach | (meaning, run with `./scriptname` not `bash scriptname` of course) |
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| 09:00.13 | jelly-home | rrjois: the manual says option "user" implies option "noexec". Therefore, you'd need to explicitely add "exec" to the option list. |
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| 09:00.46 | flamingspinach | oho, this sounds like the correct answer :) |
| 09:01.01 | jelly-home | I would recommend against putting executables on vfat. |
| 09:01.03 | flamingspinach | strange that stat still shows +x on the files though |
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| 09:01.44 | jelly-home | it's not, vfat does not have real executable permissions. They're emulated. |
| 09:01.47 | nkuttler | fat doesn't know -x |
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| 09:01.56 | rrjois | jelly-home, hmmm, the machine also has windows. flamingspinach if I just run the bash executable it does not work |
| 09:02.03 | mjt | usually archive bit is mapped to +x |
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| 09:02.19 | mjt | there are also system and hidden attrs which are mapped to other +xes ;) |
| 09:02.28 | flamingspinach | jelly-home: right, but if mount is not allowing executables, surely it should present -x to linux |
| 09:02.44 | jelly-home | nope |
| 09:03.21 | mjt | with noexec only actual execution is prevented, noexec does not change file permissions |
| 09:03.51 | rrjois | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:04.01 | flamingspinach | sure |
| 09:04.39 | jelly-home | rrjois: I don't really see the relevance of machine also having windows? You're not going to run Linux ELF binaries from Windows easily. |
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| 09:06.00 | rrjois | jelly-home, I have other binaries.. Like Android binaries... :) |
| 09:06.28 | jelly-home | shrug |
| 09:06.58 | rrjois | you suggest having ntfs? |
| 09:10.40 | jelly-home | I suggest placing linux executables on a fs with proper unix permissions |
| 09:11.18 | nkuttler | ^^++ |
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| 09:13.44 | rrjois | jelly-home, thanks |
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| 09:16.51 | yagoo | hey.. to make a bootable usb simply if one has a bootable floppy , can one do this? -> cat /dev/fdo >/dev/<usbdev> ? |
| 09:17.13 | yagoo | ,/fd0 more like.. |
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| 09:24.54 | yagoo | ^cool stuff |
| 09:25.07 | yagoo | bioses are getting better these days |
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| 09:32.43 | Aprendiz | hi all |
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| 09:34.00 | technologov | hi |
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| 09:35.45 | Aprendiz | I have a problem with samba in debian squeeze. I am trying to connect samba to a PDC and it more or less ok but with wbinfo -m appear 3 domains and I have only configured one the other two are BUILTIN and myhostname |
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| 09:36.36 | Aprendiz | the problem, according to the logs, is that user can't loggin because he is trying to map against myhostname domain and not the one I have configured |
| 09:36.37 | Aprendiz | any idea? |
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| 09:42.11 | Aprendiz | I want to disable the other two domains and left only one |
| 09:42.17 | Aprendiz | is that possible? |
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| 09:49.20 | ix_ | how do I install an older kernel on squeeze? |
| 09:49.24 | ix_ | do I need to compile it? |
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| 09:49.52 | stockholm | old kernels are of the devil! why would you do that? |
| 09:50.10 | stockholm | you can try to use one from lenny. perhaps that works? |
| 09:50.27 | ix_ | because the new one gives me trouble |
| 09:50.38 | ix_ | it's a very old laptop |
| 09:50.44 | ix_ | and I don't need anything fancy |
| 09:51.02 | stockholm | i see |
| 09:51.02 | ix_ | but the capacity to play movies is important to me |
| 09:51.11 | ix_ | and the xv is broken |
| 09:51.20 | stockholm | yeah, try lenny |
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| 09:52.02 | colo-work | is lenny still supported? if not, better try CentOS 5 or even 4. |
| 09:52.20 | stockholm | centos? |
| 09:52.26 | technologov | y, lenny supported. |
| 09:52.30 | stockholm | why would you do that? |
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| 09:53.04 | ix_ | I think I'll try squeeze with lenny kernel |
| 09:53.04 | stockholm | if you want an old kernel you might not be after "supported" anyway |
| 09:53.22 | ix_ | kernel 2.6.28 worked fine |
| 09:53.30 | colo-work | you _always_ want "supported". |
| 09:53.32 | ix_ | but 2.6.32 and more don't |
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| 09:53.47 | ix_ | I don't care about support on that old thing |
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| 09:54.16 | ix_ | I care about it working |
| 09:54.55 | colo-work | anyone running software with known, unfixed vulnerabilities is a threat to her/himself and all her/his peers. |
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| 09:55.17 | ix_ | don't go there |
| 09:55.55 | ix_ | if new kernels would work, I'd use them |
| 09:56.38 | ix_ | on my decent laptop I use plain old squeeze |
| 09:56.46 | technologov | not a real threat, if PC is firewalled... |
| 09:56.48 | colo-work | yeah, that#s why you'd want to use a distro that features an old kernel that still has support by its distributor. so that security fixes get backported. |
| 09:56.48 | ix_ | with kernel 2.6.32 |
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| 10:04.39 | technologov | about security: I see that Google Chromium is v6.0 in Debian 6.0 |
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| 10:04.48 | technologov | and maintained by one person... |
| 10:05.05 | technologov | what if this one person will be unable to devote time to maintenance of this? |
| 10:05.32 | technologov | squeeze users will get unmaintained package or it will get dropped from distro during point release ? |
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| 10:08.12 | iman | is it possible in bind9 to have some domain in one host ? |
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| 10:10.07 | gcbirzan | iman: What do you mean? |
| 10:10.54 | iman | gcbirzan, is it possible to manage some domain name to an ip ? |
| 10:11.08 | gcbirzan | To point the NS record to an IP? No. |
| 10:12.31 | colo-work | your questions don't make sense. to me, at least. |
| 10:12.42 | gcbirzan | You can have your registrar (or whoever's pointing that domain to your server) add a glue record |
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| 10:12.59 | iman | gcbirzan, there are two domain name, foo.com and exam.com, how can I connect they both to x.x.x.x |
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| 10:16.12 | folsto | iman: You would just set that ip in both registrars nameservers and use virtualhost (in Apache) to listen and respond both websites. |
| 10:17.54 | iman | folsto, I am using bind9, there is not any Apache in this step, i mean it's configurable in bind 9 |
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| 10:19.20 | folsto | iman: #bind might help |
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| 10:43.52 | joeoshawa | can anyone help me with my sound please i don't generally ask without stating the problem but i am tired of typeing miles of text and being ignored |
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| 10:46.28 | colo-work | joeoshawa, just summarize the problem on a pastebin |
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| 10:49.10 | repr | Hi. How could you ensure the kernel integrity in case of physical access? |
| 10:49.41 | colo-work | unless you have a TPM with trusted boot chain up to the kernel you really cannot. |
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| 10:50.00 | colo-work | you could try to rip the harddisk of the system out and perform integrity tests on the kernel image in an external, known-good system |
| 10:50.35 | colo-work | but that wouldn't prevent any firmware/BIOS tampering from interfering with your system's kernel image before it's been loaded from disk |
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| 10:54.58 | repr | so in the near future the only way to have a secure system -in regard to such threats- will be to run linux from W8 |
| 10:55.01 | repr | interesting |
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| 10:57.51 | repr | thanks colo-work, I was thinking of something along the lines of a small bootloader to unencrypt the kernel image |
| 10:58.13 | repr | which I just found grub2 can do |
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| 11:03.14 | wallee | joeoshawa: what's wrong? |
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| 11:05.30 | Guest67539 | hello folks. is there a way to use dpkg or something, to check whether a package is installed, without grepping for 'ii <package>'? |
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| 11:06.59 | cwickert | sts: dpkg -l <package-name> |
| 11:07.29 | sts | cwickert: i mean something like if [ dpkg --is-installed package ] ; then ... |
| 11:07.49 | cwickert | sts: ah, in a script you mean, no human involved? |
| 11:08.29 | sts | cwickert: correct. |
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| 11:09.21 | sts | cwickert: looking for a tool which will use a certain RC if its installed or something. |
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| 11:10.16 | Disappearayo | hey guys, can i also ask an question regarding an compiled php under debian lenny? |
| 11:10.26 | cwickert | sts: I guess you will need to use something like dpkg -l <package> && echo installed |
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| 11:10.29 | cwickert | or dpkg -s |
| 11:10.42 | cwickert | but there will be some output you need to filter out |
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| 11:11.53 | Disappearayo | is there an php specialist out there??? |
| 11:12.16 | nkuttler | !tell Disappearayo about ask |
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| 11:12.26 | Disappearayo | fail :D |
| 11:12.41 | nkuttler | you fail. learn to use your irc client |
| 11:12.44 | cwickert | sts: dpkg -l <package> > /dev/null 2>&1 && echo "installed" |
| 11:13.08 | gcbirzan | if dpkg -l package &>/dev/null; then echo foo; else echo bar; fi |
| 11:13.15 | cwickert | now it's my turn to ask a question :) |
| 11:13.37 | Disappearayo | okay i think i just have to ask.. mom i make some logfiles ready |
| 11:13.50 | cwickert | does anybody know how to configure apt to use a repo that is protected with a private certificate? |
| 11:14.22 | cwickert | or if/since when apt supports this? |
| 11:15.12 | cwickert | ah, found it: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/513 |
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| 11:15.22 | cwickert | sometimes you just need the right terms to google it |
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| 11:15.45 | Disappearayo | please have a look at this: http://nopaste.info/5930b13dda.html |
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| 11:16.42 | nkuttler | Disappearayo: what's your question? |
| 11:16.51 | gcbirzan | cwickert: Look at /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz at the Acquire section |
| 11:17.12 | cwickert | looks |
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| 11:17.54 | gcbirzan | In particular, https. |
| 11:18.08 | Disappearayo | the question is, why Scan this dir for additional .ini files is set to none when i have --with-config-file-scan-dir=/etc/php5/cgi/conf.d' as configure parameter? |
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| 11:18.41 | Disappearayo | with the old php 5.2.6 it works like charm but with the new 5.3.8 it doesn`t |
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| 11:19.17 | gcbirzan | cwickert: Generally, https would be a better way to do this, than ssh. |
| 11:20.31 | nkuttler | Disappearayo: if you build your own php you should ask in ##php. debian php checks /etc/php5/foo/, don't use the cgi version myself though |
| 11:21.06 | cwickert | gcbirzan: yes, I meant https, sorry I picket the wrong link. Everything but user:pass is fine for me |
| 11:21.20 | nkuttler | Disappearayo: btw, there are backports for stable. you want to avoid to build things yourself |
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| 11:22.46 | Disappearayo | i already asked there, but there wasn`t any response. |
| 11:23.30 | Disappearayo | hmm how can i install an second php pakage without breaking the old one?? the folder where the executables are stored are just the same?! |
| 11:24.09 | wallee | Disappearayo: ? you mean you need two diff php version? |
| 11:24.42 | nkuttler | Disappearayo: btw php 5.3.3 is in stable. are you sure you need .8? |
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| 11:25.59 | Disappearayo | no 5.3.8 is the stable release at php.net |
| 11:26.08 | Disappearayo | yes i need two different |
| 11:26.31 | jpinx-away | !versions php |
| 11:26.56 | Disappearayo | !versions php |
| 11:26.58 | wallee | Disappearayo: may be you need to edit apache.ini or some to set you php path |
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| 11:27.25 | Disappearayo | hmm i don`t think that this is the problem because the old one works perfekt an uses the same ini files |
| 11:27.27 | wallee | Disappearayo: also, you need to install php from source code |
| 11:27.36 | Disappearayo | it is installed from source code |
| 11:27.45 | Disappearayo | http://nopaste.info/5930b13dda.html |
| 11:27.46 | ix_ | doesn't lenny have a lenny-updates repo? |
| 11:28.13 | wallee | Disappearayo: so, change the apache.ini php path item to you new php, may be a cgi section |
| 11:29.29 | Disappearayo | nono it`s already running as fastcgi under suexec but it won`t load any custom extension because the additionl ini folder isn`t recognized as you can see at the end of the nopaste page |
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| 11:30.05 | Disappearayo | but the old one which is using the same standard ini file etc. works perfekt and also recognizes the additional ini folder its really strange.. |
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| 11:31.28 | wallee | Disappearayo: i can not understand you word, sorry... |
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| 11:32.02 | joeoshawa | wallee, my headphone jack doesn't work i am using alsa with pulse but when i used alsa alone it never worked |
| 11:32.12 | joeoshawa | just the headphones tho |
| 11:32.27 | joeoshawa | two vid cards and neither works |
| 11:32.36 | joeoshawa | same issue for both |
| 11:32.53 | joeoshawa | i don't see a mute in alsamixer |
| 11:33.15 | wallee | joeoshawa: sorry, you know, i'm not a alsa guy... |
| 11:33.17 | joeoshawa | its like the jack isn't even there |
| 11:33.38 | joeoshawa | linux sound is a complete disaster |
| 11:33.39 | wallee | joeoshawa: i can not understand what your talking about.. |
| 11:33.42 | Disappearayo | you can`t understand my word?? |
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| 11:34.09 | wallee | Disappearayo: yes, my mather language is not english |
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| 11:34.22 | joeoshawa | you asked me earlier what my problem was |
| 11:34.24 | Disappearayo | okay whats your native language? |
| 11:34.33 | wallee | Disappearayo: sorry, wait for others help |
| 11:34.37 | wallee | Disappearayo: chinese |
| 11:34.49 | joeoshawa | that's why i didn't type it when i first came in cause i get the response idk |
| 11:34.52 | Disappearayo | oh okay mine is german.. but thank you !! |
| 11:35.00 | joeoshawa | i don't know alsa |
| 11:35.19 | wallee | Disappearayo: i guessed, because you use 'perfekt' |
| 11:35.30 | wallee | Disappearayo: may be your mean 'perfect' |
| 11:35.33 | joeoshawa | and there is a ton of info |
| 11:37.17 | wallee | joeoshawa: ask babilen or boudiccas, may be they know |
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| 11:38.00 | joeoshawa | i figured they would have responded when i put the sound issue thing up |
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| 11:39.54 | babilen | joeoshawa: Not being a sound person and never having worked on this problem before my recommendation still stands: Run the alsa-info.sh script from upstream and take it to #alsa if no one can help. Not sure if you also use PA on top of alsa, so that might open another line of inquiry. |
| 11:40.37 | mpfusion | How to enable users to mount ntfs partitions? I get the message “…Unprivileged user can not mount NTFS block devices using the external FUSE library…” |
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| 11:42.07 | joeoshawa | from sid? |
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| 11:42.17 | joeoshawa | i am running wheezy |
| 11:42.25 | joeoshawa | never worked in any tho |
| 11:44.09 | babilen | joeoshawa: No, from the alsa project -- http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh -- Still not sure if you use pulseaudio or not :-/ |
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| 11:44.33 | joeoshawa | yes i do |
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| 11:44.36 | joeoshawa | i have to |
| 11:44.46 | joeoshawa | esound is removed from debian |
| 11:45.05 | joeoshawa | no longer supported |
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| 11:45.25 | joeoshawa | never worked either way tho |
| 11:45.37 | babilen | !tell mpfusion -about ntfsrw |
| 11:46.40 | babilen | mpfusion: Make sure that you are in the plugdev group if you use pmount or another program (such as nautilus) to mount as user. |
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| 11:48.16 | mpfusion | babilen: hmm, I'll check |
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| 11:49.15 | mpfusion | babilen: The user is member of plugdev |
| 11:50.01 | mpfusion | babilen: Yes, I use nautilus to mount as user |
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| 11:51.07 | babilen | mpfusion: So, see dpkg's factoid(s) (i.e. <ntfsrw> and <user accessible ntfs>) |
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| 11:54.01 | babilen | mpfusion: In particular make sure that ntfs-3g is installed -- I would personally suggest not to use NTFS though, but that is probably not a viable option for you. |
| 11:54.08 | mpfusion | babilen: I don't understand. What is factoid? |
| 11:54.27 | RIMAL | I have a problem.i can't connect to wi fi network.it shows connected,but when i open mozilla firefox, it doen't load any websites. please help me |
| 11:54.57 | babilen | mpfusion: Take a look at the private message our bot (i.e. dpkg) sent you -- You can also ask it yourself "/msg dpkg factoid", "/msg dpkg ntfsrw", ... |
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| 11:55.44 | mpfusion | babilen: which ntfs-3g gives: /bin/ntfs-3g. So, it's installed. I don't use ntfs much, only for my usb drive, otherwise nobody with windown can read it. There's no other option, unfortunately. |
| 11:55.45 | babilen | RIMAL: How do you connect to your wireless network? Does "ping 8.8.8.8" work? |
| 11:56.00 | babilen | mpfusion: vfat comes to mind |
| 11:56.06 | RIMAL | no i connect graphically. |
| 11:56.14 | RIMAL | in the notification area |
| 11:56.23 | babilen | RIMAL: Ok, does "ping 8.8.8.8" work? |
| 11:56.43 | RIMAL | wait |
| 11:56.43 | mpfusion | No, you can't even save files larger then 2 GiB (DVDs for instance) |
| 11:56.54 | babilen | mpfusion: ack |
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| 11:57.47 | mpfusion | babilen: and if someone gives me his/her usb drive with some files I want to be able to access this and I don't have influence on the choice of file system |
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| 11:58.26 | RIMAL | no it shows 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8 : icmp_req=73(increasing) ttl=58 time=134(increasing) |
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| 11:59.15 | babilen | RIMAL: So, it is working :) -- What about "ping debian.org" ? |
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| 12:00.20 | mpfusion | babilen: The message mentions also: “Either mount the volume as root, or rebuild NTFS-3G with integrated FUSE support and make it setuid root”. I don't believe that I have to recompile ntfs-3g. |
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| 12:00.46 | RIMAL | babilen, it is also showing 64 bytes from bellini.debian.org (etc) |
| 12:00.53 | RIMAL | ... |
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| 12:01.31 | babilen | RIMAL: Great, so you are connected and DNS works. Please provide more details about what exactly does not work. Can you open http://www.debian.org in your browser? |
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| 12:02.35 | RIMAL | babilen, i am now connected my comp to my mobile broadband |
| 12:02.45 | RIMAL | so i can now connect |
| 12:02.56 | RIMAL | but not through wifi |
| 12:02.57 | joeoshawa | i ran that script and it uploaded to www.pastebin.ca and gave me no url |
| 12:02.59 | babilen | mpfusion: Run "dpkg-reconfigure ntfs-3g" and answer "Yes" to the question if it should be install SUID root |
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| 12:04.05 | joeoshawa | it says Uploading information to www.pastebin.ca ... Done! -Your ALSA information is located at -Please inform the person helping you. |
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| 12:04.30 | joeoshawa | nm |
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| 12:05.05 | babilen | RIMAL: Ok, it is a bit hard to debug your connection that way :) Try both commands and let me know your results. If the first command works, but the second does not you want to configure your DNS -- Edit /etc/resolv.conf and replace the "nameserver V.W.X.Y" line with "nameserver 8.8.8.8" and try again. |
| 12:05.11 | mpfusion | babilen: Then the error message changes to: Mount is denied because setuid and setgid root ntfs-3g is insecure with the external FUSE library |
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| 12:05.24 | babilen | mpfusion: splendid :( |
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| 12:05.43 | vjacob | hi. my gnome menu suddenly stopped working since yesterday evening. basically it does not respond to clicks with the built-in pointing device. any ideas how to troubleshoot this? |
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| 12:08.20 | babilen | mpfusion: Which version of Debian are you using? |
| 12:08.30 | mpfusion | babilen: testing |
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| 12:08.43 | babilen | mpfusion: You should have said so -- http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=631504 |
| 12:08.58 | wallee | vjacob: version |
| 12:09.15 | babilen | mpfusion: Note that we have a specific channel for testing/unstable support (#debian-next on irc.oftc.net) |
| 12:09.25 | vjacob | wallee, the latest in stable |
| 12:09.40 | wallee | vjacob: gnome2? |
| 12:09.40 | mpfusion | babilen: sorry, I'm rather new to that. THX |
| 12:09.51 | babilen | np |
| 12:09.56 | vjacob | if you need the specific version number I can get it to you, just need to switch console for a second... |
| 12:10.13 | wallee | vjacob: right |
| 12:11.12 | vjacob | wallee: 2.30 |
| 12:11.15 | babilen | mpfusion: I would undo the suid thing for now |
| 12:11.40 | mpfusion | babilen: I'll do that |
| 12:12.07 | wallee | vjacob: remove you user, then create new one |
| 12:12.18 | wallee | vjacob: notice, backup you data |
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| 12:12.58 | vjacob | wallee, the odd thing is that this seems to be happening with a new user also |
| 12:13.05 | babilen | vjacob: No need to remove your user, but testing it with a new user certainly makes sense -- How do you click? |
| 12:13.30 | wallee | vjacob: oh god |
| 12:13.31 | vjacob | I just click around the top left corner on the "gnome" icon area to open the "start menu" |
| 12:13.44 | babilen | vjacob: tap or button? |
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| 12:14.02 | vjacob | actually, the funny thing is that the menu bar now no longer has even the logo or the menu command field showing |
| 12:14.06 | vjacob | button |
| 12:14.26 | babilen | vjacob: Hmm, is that missing for a new user as well? |
| 12:14.45 | vjacob | it seems to be showing at first |
| 12:14.50 | vjacob | but then after a short while it disappears |
| 12:14.58 | babilen | vjacob: Can you right click the panel and use, say, "Add to panel..." ? |
| 12:15.15 | babilen | brb (tel) |
| 12:15.21 | vjacob | let me rephrase: initially the menu works fully, then after a few seconds the menu stops working and icons and menu text seems to disappear |
| 12:15.40 | vjacob | no add to panel or any context menu when I right click |
| 12:16.02 | vjacob | a few seconds=30 seconds or so I guess |
| 12:16.13 | vjacob | haven't timed it (yet) |
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| 12:16.27 | rose23 | IP addresses are in little endian format when we are in network representation, right? |
| 12:16.28 | vjacob | and i can confirm that the context menu (right) click does work when I click desktop |
| 12:16.36 | vjacob | or inside this Xchat window |
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| 12:17.11 | babilen | vjacob: Please paste ~/.xsession-errors , /var/log/Xorg.0.log and the output of "aptitude search ~U", "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy gnome-panel" to http://paste.debian.net please (i'll be back, telephone) |
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| 12:17.52 | wallee | !tell vjacob -about paste |
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| 12:20.41 | vjacob | well without a working X11 i am not sure how to easily paste |
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| 12:20.47 | vjacob | I mean gnome start menu |
| 12:20.48 | babilen | vjacob: Err, make that "aptitude update ; aptitude search ~U" |
| 12:21.04 | babilen | !tell vjacob -about pastebinit |
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| 12:21.30 | linduxed | i'm having trouble getting tmux to scroll up when i do shift-pgup |
| 12:21.32 | babilen | vjacob: And why is X not working? I thought it is only the panel? |
| 12:21.37 | linduxed | anyone come across this issue? |
| 12:21.50 | vjacob | only the panel, thus the "I mean gnome start menu" |
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| 12:22.07 | vjacob | very useful tool, that pastebin stuff |
| 12:22.10 | vjacob | hold on |
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| 12:25.55 | iman | is there any body DNS or bind9 expert, would please help me , I have some problem :) |
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| 12:26.20 | colo-work | what is your problem? |
| 12:26.54 | vjacob | babilen: does pastebinit automatically set privacy/expiry when pasting to paste.debian.org? |
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| 12:27.57 | vjacob | thanks wallee / babilen |
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| 12:28.14 | iman | colo-work, I ran my bind9 in my VPS, and it works fine, now I want to add other domain to this dns server, but I don't know how can i do it, it take my time some days |
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| 12:28.47 | iman | colo-work, and googling dosn't help me, as well no body answer me in #bind |
| 12:28.49 | babilen | vjacob: No, but you ccan still use gnome (start applications with ALT-F2) or (even better) a window manager such as fluxbox in the meanwhile. |
| 12:29.03 | colo-work | you just want another zonefile, if the authoritative NS for the parent zone of your new domain already knows that your NS is going to manage your domain. |
| 12:29.24 | colo-work | and you'll have to tell bind to actually read that zonefile as a part of its config |
| 12:29.29 | vjacob | alt-f2 does not work, might try another window manager.. but how? |
| 12:29.36 | colo-work | HOW you do that, of course, depends on how your bind was set up initially :) |
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| 12:29.51 | testt | my webcamera doesnt work with cheese. any tips how to make it work? |
| 12:29.53 | vjacob | guess i would have to log-out though loosing this irc chat, hold on... still pasting |
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| 12:30.37 | babilen | vjacob: "apt-get install fluxbox" or "apt-get install xfce" or "apt-get install lxde" -- whatever you prefer |
| 12:30.46 | iman | colo-work, http://dpaste.com/664886/ |
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| 12:31.05 | vjacob | babilen, I meant how to launch it or set gdm3 to load either of those |
| 12:31.08 | colo-work | iman, looks sane |
| 12:31.23 | colo-work | the second (forward) zone is the one you're trying to get to work? |
| 12:31.30 | iman | colo-work, http://dpaste.com/664887/ |
| 12:31.44 | iman | colo-work, yes |
| 12:31.51 | babilen | vjacob: You give your username and you can then select the session you want to run. |
| 12:31.51 | testt | can anyone help me |
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| 12:32.45 | iman | colo-work, http://dpaste.com/664888/ |
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| 12:32.53 | fff | hi |
| 12:32.55 | vjacob | ok, wasnt sure, cheers |
| 12:33.16 | colo-work | iman, can you nopaste the zonefile for linksebook.com as well? |
| 12:33.52 | iman | colo-work, yes, sure , wait |
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| 12:34.18 | colo-work | iman, is your nameserver reachable under the ns5.phtco.com. DNS hostname? |
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| 12:34.30 | colo-work | or is that someone else's DNS server? |
| 12:34.53 | iman | colo-work, it's someone else, where I bought domain |
| 12:34.59 | iman | colo-work, http://dpaste.com/664889/ |
| 12:35.00 | colo-work | because that is what the SOA record for the zone inidcates. you'll have to have your domain registrar change that record to point to YOUR nameserver. |
| 12:35.09 | colo-work | only then will your ns be able to govern the zone as you intend to |
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| 12:35.25 | colo-work | you can check by running `dig +short -t SOA linksebook.com` |
| 12:35.34 | iman | colo-work, http://dpaste.com/664890/ |
| 12:36.00 | mstrcnvs | I am getting an error message at boot time: reading later boot files ... failed! I know it's related to readahead package, but what exactly is this telling me? |
| 12:36.09 | jelly | how do I make "telnet miku.acm.uiuc.edu" into an xscreensaver? |
| 12:36.18 | colo-work | iman, your zonefile and bind config will have no effect unless the SOA record points to your nameserver. |
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| 12:36.43 | colo-work | your registrar will have some kind of procedure for you to follow to have it set your way |
| 12:36.51 | iman | colo-work, but there is not ns1.linksebook.com |
| 12:37.13 | iman | colo-work, i can't have it with nslookup |
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| 12:37.49 | colo-work | just use another A record of any other domain that points towards your nameserver's IP address |
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| 12:39.37 | iman | colo-work, I have access to my domain control panel and it's easy to change name server to another, but there is not any ns1.linksebook.com |
| 12:39.55 | vjacob | babilen, I sent you the urls in a query |
| 12:42.01 | vjacob | babilen, you wanted me to do "pastebinit "aptitude search ~U" right? |
| 12:42.28 | babilen | vjacob: Run "aptitude update" first please -- And this happens with a completely new user too? |
| 12:43.52 | babilen | vjacob: I strongly recommend to either use "script" to create a transcript that you can paste later on. (man script) Or (preferred) to just run a different desktop environment or window manager. |
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| 12:44.04 | gribouille | hi |
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| 12:44.32 | gribouille | is there a way to get list of packages I installed manually? |
| 12:44.48 | iman | colo-work, I am trying to add my new name server but i faced error : NameServer ns1.linksebook.com is not a valid Nameserver |
| 12:44.56 | babilen | vjacob: Could you also paste ~/.xsession-errors from your new user please? |
| 12:45.05 | stew | gribouille: aptittude search '!~M' |
| 12:46.10 | vjacob | babilen, honestly, i really appreciate your help on this |
| 12:46.45 | vjacob | babilen, I would really like to have a solution for this now, and to follow through with your kind and helpful suggestions |
| 12:46.54 | babilen | vjacob: Please also show me "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy gnome-panel" -- Bu honestly: work on getting a usable desktop environment or window manager running first. |
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| 12:47.12 | vjacob | babilen, still, I fear that I might have to resume this troubleshooting as I have multiple deadlines at the moment... |
| 12:47.22 | babilen | vjacob: Same here, there are some bug reports about this, but they are reported as being fixed. |
| 12:47.31 | babilen | vjacob: As you wish |
| 12:47.32 | vjacob | babilen, hopefully I will be able to catch you or someone else around. I will save a copy of this irc channel backlog |
| 12:47.38 | gribouille | stew, what does '!~M' mean? |
| 12:47.43 | boudiccas | on squeeze, what codec do i need to use to play mp4 files please? |
| 12:47.57 | vjacob | babilen; thanks again, and I would really like to continue this another day |
| 12:48.02 | babilen | vjacob: Sure |
| 12:48.36 | stew | gribouille: ! = "not" ; ~M = "automatically installed" |
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| 12:49.08 | gribouille | stew, thanks |
| 12:49.10 | stew | gribouille: oh you actually want "~i!~M" the ~i for "installed" |
| 12:49.53 | stew | (and actually you want to not misspell aptitude) |
| 12:50.22 | vjacob | was just saying to my flatmate how nice open source is, in that one can usually find someone to help trouble shoot (unlike running other systems) |
| 12:50.45 | vjacob | well -open source +debian or +linux |
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| 12:50.58 | vjacob | cya soon |
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| 12:51.16 | gribouille | stew, the result gives more than 3000 packages. obviously, I didn't install them all manually |
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| 12:52.22 | stew | gribouille: even with the ~i ? |
| 12:52.49 | gribouille | stew, aptitude search '~i!~M' | wc -l gives 3032 |
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| 12:53.08 | _pash | hello, can someone tell me how to start X at boot for a certain user on debian? |
| 12:53.34 | stew | gribouille: dunno what to tell you. i beleive it to be correct. it shows 353 out of a couple thousand packages for me |
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| 12:54.28 | iman | colo-work, maybe i have to add ns1.linkin.ir as name server? |
| 12:54.30 | stew | gribouille: is this a machine that has been around a while (so that you might have used apt-get < version 0.7) ? |
| 12:55.17 | colo-work | iman, you could try that. Idk why the control panel of your registrar flunks out. maybe check with their support. |
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| 12:56.06 | gribouille | stew, the version is 0.8.3 |
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| 12:57.07 | stew | gribouille: i don't mean the current version. apt only started tracking this stuff with verion 0.7 a few years ago. so any packages you initially installed with apt-get severaly years ago using an older version might be marked as manually installed |
| 12:57.28 | stew | gribouille: what does "aptitude search '~i' | wc -l" return and what does "grep -c 'Auto-Installed: 1' /var/lib/apt/extended_states" return? |
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| 12:58.11 | gribouille | stew, "aptitude search '~i' | wc -l" returns 3165 |
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| 12:58.48 | gribouille | stew, grep -c 'Auto-Installed: 1' /var/lib/apt/extended_states returns 134 |
| 12:59.01 | boudiccas | on squeeze, what codec do i need to use to play mp4 files please? |
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| 12:59.16 | stew | gribouille: yeah, so 3165 - 134 = 3031 |
| 12:59.39 | gribouille | stew, but the number 134 is obviously wrong |
| 12:59.41 | stew | boudiccas: that depends on what codec is used in the mp4 file |
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| 13:00.24 | gribouille | stew, is there a way to know when a package was first installed? |
| 13:00.25 | wallee | boudiccas: may be mplayer |
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| 13:00.45 | wallee | boudiccas: install smplayer, all will ok |
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| 13:00.46 | stew | gribouille: then either a lot of these packages were installed with package managers that don't track manual vs auto-installed. or many of these packages were makred as manually installed afterwards (using apt-mark unmarkauto or aptitude unmarkauto) |
| 13:01.15 | boudiccas | wallee; um, i've just deleted them off my machine :( |
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| 13:01.24 | boudiccas | the mp4 files that is |
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| 13:01.57 | wallee | boudiccas: why? |
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| 13:02.24 | wallee | boudiccas: may be the default gnome movie palyer can player mp4 |
| 13:02.29 | wallee | boudiccas: i guess |
| 13:02.39 | gribouille | stew, is there a way to know when a package was first installed? |
| 13:02.49 | oh_noes | Where can I go for NFS logging? I have mounted an NFS share on my box and Im getting permission denied, but the user:group is correct |
| 13:02.57 | _pash | hello, can someone tell me how to start X at boot for a certain user on debian? |
| 13:03.03 | oh_noes | so I'm not sure what to look at to see why |
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| 13:03.41 | stew | gribouille: not unless you have dpkg.log or aptitude.log going back far enough |
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| 13:04.38 | stew | oh_noes: i do not believe that sort of thing wold be logged |
| 13:04.38 | wallee | _pash: may inittab |
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| 13:05.49 | oh_noes | stew: yeah I dont think so either. Not sure where I go to fix this though. NFS mounted, user:group is correct |
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| 13:10.22 | stew | oh_noes: is the uid:gid the same on both machiens? |
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| 13:10.28 | stew | oh_noes: are you using squashing? |
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| 13:11.02 | oh_noes | no, uid and gid on both are not identical |
| 13:11.06 | oh_noes | but I'm in the same groups. |
| 13:11.11 | oh_noes | I'm using NFSv4 so that should be okay. |
| 13:12.15 | stew | oh_noes: well, I'd say that is definitely your problem, but I don't know about NFSv4 |
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| 13:12.30 | stew | that being the uid/gid mismatch |
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| 13:15.15 | gribouille | stew, /var/lib/apt/extended_states doesn't seem to be reliable. It lists only 140 packages |
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| 13:18.41 | memoryleak | Hi, I need to set locales, but I don't know how. I've found some tips on the internet but didn't helped: http://pastie.org/2954823 |
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| 13:19.35 | tvm | memoryleak: apparently, locale binary is missing or is not in PATH |
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| 13:19.50 | tvm | hmm. |
| 13:19.56 | tvm | no, i've misread that. |
| 13:20.13 | memoryleak | tvm: It is |
| 13:20.20 | memoryleak | I have ensured that |
| 13:20.45 | stew | gribouille: then debian doesn't track the information you are looking for. as far as apt is concerned, this file is authoritative about this information |
| 13:21.30 | stew | memoryleak: try "dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
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| 13:22.07 | memoryleak | stew: http://pastie.org/2954837 |
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| 13:23.40 | tvm | memoryleak: what's the result of locale -a ? |
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| 13:23.49 | tvm | does it returns a reasonable list of locales ? |
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| 13:24.08 | memoryleak | tvm: http://pastie.org/2954846 |
| 13:24.24 | stew | memoryleak: actually, what exactly is the problem? |
| 13:24.44 | memoryleak | on many commands I get locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory while executing |
| 13:24.56 | stew | memoryleak: why are you not setting the LANG variable? |
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| 13:25.29 | memoryleak | stew: where to do so? |
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| 13:25.54 | stew | in the shell where you are trying to do all this |
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| 13:48.44 | D4rKr0W | does anyone know if ext3 supports hardlinks? i should suppose so |
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| 13:51.10 | D4rKr0W | if so, do you know the correct way to grant r/w privileges to a certain user when mounting an ex3 partition with /etc/fstab ? |
| 13:51.18 | D4rKr0W | *ext3 |
| 13:51.38 | intgr | Hi all! Is there a supported way to prevent a package upgrade from restarting the service? I'd like to upgrade PostgreSQL files on disk first and then perform the restart manually. |
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| 13:57.11 | stew | D4rKr0W: yes, on hardlinks. "chmod" is the command for changing permissions on an ext3 partition (or any unix partition) |
| 13:57.22 | stew | D4rKr0W: see http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 13:58.13 | D4rKr0W | stew: so i just chown the mountpoint? |
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| 13:58.31 | simonlnu | if it's a major or minor version (that requires it) it'll be stopped, or a new cluster made so that you can do that |
| 13:58.50 | simonlnu | the maitainers are 2 steps ahead of you there ;) |
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| 14:04.23 | stew | D4rKr0W: no, you chown whatever is on the filesystem |
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| 14:05.07 | stew | intgr: in general you'd have to use policy-rc.d to prevent a restart |
| 14:05.31 | simonlnu | main* |
| 14:05.55 | boudiccas | on squeeze, vlc cant play a mp4 file, yet dragon player can. does anyone know why vlc cant do it please? |
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| 14:09.08 | D4rKr0W | stew: i see, thanks for the tips |
| 14:09.20 | stew | boudiccas: missing codecs? |
| 14:09.32 | intgr | stew: Thanks, I'll have a look... |
| 14:10.12 | stew | intgr: prepare to be disappointed about how hard it is to find documentation on policy-rc.d :( |
| 14:10.12 | rozie | boudiccas: try debian-multimedia |
| 14:10.41 | intgr | stew: Yeah, looks that way from the Google results :) |
| 14:10.46 | stew | boudiccas: mp4 is a container format. you need to know the codecs of the streams it is containing |
| 14:10.50 | rozie | probably you don't have proper codec compiled because of license issues |
| 14:11.07 | boudiccas | stew; thats what i thought, but i dont know what the missing codec is called |
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| 14:12.55 | boudiccas | stew; this is what mplayer says ........ MPEG-4 AAC audio ...... for codec |
| 14:13.41 | boudiccas | stew; so do you know from that what the codec is that i need please? |
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| 14:18.58 | boudiccas | it seems strange that mplayer and dragon player can both play the file yet vlc cant |
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| 14:22.07 | Ragnar | hey, what is the easiest way to make a backup image of a debian install? |
| 14:22.33 | Ragnar | I want to make a disk image, that I can quickly reload over to the harddrive again, and simply plug it back in and boot up from it. |
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| 14:29.15 | Disappearayo | make an tar etc. |
| 14:29.33 | Disappearayo | or rsync, then it isn`t compressed |
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| 14:35.54 | abrotman | he said quickly |
| 14:36.12 | D4rKr0W | Ragnar: check clonezilla |
| 14:36.26 | Ragnar | right now I am testing |
| 14:36.27 | Ragnar | dd |
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| 14:36.51 | Ragnar | dd if=/dev/sdb1 of=/imagebackup/disk02.img |
| 14:36.54 | Ragnar | but my question is |
| 14:36.57 | abrotman | he could potentially use lvm and snapshots .. not sure how fast that'd be for him .. and you'd restore in possibly an odd state |
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| 14:37.06 | Ragnar | can I, dd if=/imagebackup/disk02.img of=/dev/sdb1 |
| 14:37.10 | Ragnar | once I need to reload the image? |
| 14:37.19 | Disappearayo | shure |
| 14:37.20 | Disappearayo | sure |
| 14:37.27 | Ragnar | cons/pros? |
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| 14:38.01 | abrotman | damn slow |
| 14:38.03 | Disappearayo | your hdd must be as big as your fs is |
| 14:38.11 | Ragnar | yeah |
| 14:38.13 | Ragnar | thats not a problem |
| 14:38.47 | Disappearayo | you are saving all the dynamic stuff like /proc /sys /dev etc.. |
| 14:39.21 | Disappearayo | and i`am not sure if you can do it online, maybe you must boot an rescue cd etc. |
| 14:39.29 | intgr | stew: Wow, what a kludge it is. |
| 14:39.51 | Disappearayo | but once you`ve got it, then it will work pretty nice, without any need of setting up grub etc. |
| 14:39.53 | intgr | But looks like it does the job |
| 14:40.12 | Ragnar | well |
| 14:40.16 | Ragnar | I can work with dd |
| 14:40.17 | Ragnar | if it works. |
| 14:40.24 | Ragnar | I just need something that works, and I am currently testing that |
| 14:40.27 | Ragnar | clonezilla looks interesting though |
| 14:40.53 | Disappearayo | if you have i/o errors, then use dd_rescue |
| 14:40.59 | Ragnar | but can clonezilla let me mount something say a nfs share where images are, and then simply boot clonezilla, browse to the image I need and do it over network |
| 14:41.18 | D4rKr0W | Ragnar: yes, i do that at the workplace all the time, it's pretty handy |
| 14:41.24 | petemc | if using dd you'll want to set bs= to something sensible like 8M or you'll be there for days |
| 14:42.09 | D4rKr0W | Ragnar: i tested it on smb shares, both the saving/restoring |
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| 14:43.19 | Ragnar | Interesting. |
| 14:43.23 | Ragnar | I simply need the clonezilla live then, rite? |
| 14:43.30 | Ragnar | and a smb/nfs share available on the network |
| 14:43.35 | Ragnar | bang, backup/restore fixed |
| 14:43.37 | Ragnar | mhm? |
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| 14:46.38 | DammitJim | anyone got a good tutorial on how to set up a subversion server? |
| 14:47.06 | nkuttler | DammitJim: may i ask why you want to use subversion? |
| 14:47.19 | DammitJim | My project is in Netbeans |
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| 14:49.55 | abrotman | DammitJim: wouldn't you think the #svn people might have one ? |
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| 14:52.46 | stew | DammitJim: aptitude install subversion : mkdir /path/to/your/repostory ; svnadmin create /path/to/your/repostiory |
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| 14:53.03 | stew | DammitJim: do you need to use the svnserve server or can you access your repository via ssh? |
| 14:53.06 | stew | or on a local machine |
| 14:54.09 | stew | DammitJim: but seriously, use git |
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| 15:01.27 | myself | why installing oss package my soundcard disappear? |
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| 15:05.03 | DammitJim | abrotman, I didn't know if this is one of the "customized" packages that Debian provides |
| 15:05.13 | DammitJim | through the repo... that's why I ask |
| 15:05.44 | DammitJim | stew, thanks for the commands |
| 15:05.47 | DammitJim | I have that so far |
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| 15:07.41 | DammitJim | stew, what do you mean by your question about ssh? |
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| 15:09.27 | stew | DammitJim: how are you going to access the machine which contains the svn repository. Is it the local machine? do you have ssh access to it? are you going to use the svn protocol? |
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| 15:10.17 | DammitJim | I have access to the machine via ssh right now |
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| 15:10.34 | DammitJim | but I'd like to just use the svn protocol because that's why Netbeans supports by default |
| 15:10.43 | DammitJim | there is nothing critical about this data and it's inside my network |
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| 15:11.37 | stew | DammitJim: ok, then you have to also setup svnserve via inetd or soemthing |
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| 15:12.02 | DammitJim | yeah, that's the piece that I was trying to find |
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| 15:34.33 | boudiccas | is there a program that will convert an mp4 file to an avi file please? |
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| 15:35.21 | petemc | boudiccas: handbrake |
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| 15:44.58 | gnarface | ok hypothetical question; gotta manage a large number of servers- is bcfg2 the right way to go? y/n? |
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| 15:46.30 | boudiccas | petemc; thanks, i'll investigate it |
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| 15:47.26 | boudiccas | ,versions handbrake |
| 15:47.28 | judd | No package named 'handbrake' was found in i386. |
| 15:47.35 | petemc | its in dmm |
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| 15:50.05 | boudiccas | petemc; is it in dmm free please? |
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| 15:50.23 | petemc | i dont know what dmm free is |
| 15:50.24 | boudiccas | petemc; i have dmm non-free in my sources list |
| 15:50.56 | boudiccas | petemc; as there is a non-free in dmm i wondered if there was a 'free'? |
| 15:51.25 | petemc | if you have dmm added you should see handbrake-gtk |
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| 15:52.20 | boudiccas | petemc; thanks, thats got it |
| 15:52.45 | petemc | np |
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| 15:58.08 | gob_bluth | hi, i'm setting up a mysql server (debian squeeze) and copying over the raw data files from our debian lenny mysql server, i keep getting an error on startup though about log-bin.index not being found despite the fact that it's there |
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| 15:58.55 | gnarface | gob_bluth: that's a terrible way to backup your mysql server |
| 15:59.11 | gob_bluth | who said i was backing it up ? |
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| 15:59.33 | mhall119 | mysqldump is the recommended way, I think |
| 15:59.45 | gob_bluth | mysql dump isn't an option because there's 10 slaves attached to it |
| 16:00.10 | abrotman | gob_bluth: you're migrating ? |
| 16:00.14 | gob_bluth | doing a dump is going to reset all the repl logs and there's a possibility the slaves could lose a few records if i don't have to redo all the slaves |
| 16:00.21 | gob_bluth | yeah, from lenny to squeeze |
| 16:00.39 | gob_bluth | i don't understand this error that it's showing about log-bin.index though, it's there |
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| 16:04.45 | gob_bluth | ahh fuck |
| 16:04.47 | abrotman | gob_bluth: okay .. why not do the upgrade in place ? |
| 16:04.48 | gob_bluth | that can't be it |
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| 16:05.29 | gob_bluth | ffs |
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| 16:05.48 | gob_bluth | it was the permissions on the folder itself, i changed everything isnide it but not the fodler itself |
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| 16:06.12 | gob_bluth | the uid/gid for deb5 is 108/111 for mysql and it's some different number now in squeeze |
| 16:06.16 | gob_bluth | it started up fine |
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| 16:06.37 | administrator__ | hi hab mal ne frage |
| 16:06.41 | gob_bluth | abrotman: in case something goes terribly wrong, we still have the mysql master pwoered off |
| 16:06.48 | administrator__ | hab nen debian mirror angelegt |
| 16:06.48 | gob_bluth | abrotman: completely untouched |
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| 16:07.01 | abrotman | administrator__: english |
| 16:07.11 | abrotman | gob_bluth: uhm .. make a backup first? |
| 16:07.13 | administrator__ | und gerade mein system mal gescannt |
| 16:07.19 | Julinux | hi community |
| 16:07.20 | abrotman | !de |
| 16:07.20 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 16:07.26 | Julinux | how are you doing?? |
| 16:07.39 | gob_bluth | abrotman: why? then disaster recovery takes much longer |
| 16:08.04 | administrator__ | und nen par dutzent trojanner und viren gefunden in dem debian us und de mirror |
| 16:08.10 | administrator__ | ist das ok |
| 16:08.13 | administrator__ | ;) |
| 16:08.21 | abrotman | gob_bluth: the package system is meant to upgrade your stuff in place .. if you wanted to do it the way you're trtying .. you'd have to install lenny on a side box, copy the tables .. then dist-upgrade that box |
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| 16:09.45 | dym | can anyone suggest a convenient way to convert a tif to a pdf via commandline? |
| 16:09.58 | mhall119 | imagemagick? |
| 16:10.14 | stew | dym: yes, with imagemagick, "convert foo.tif foo.pdf" |
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| 16:11.25 | dym | stew: mhall119: cheers - having a look now |
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| 16:12.15 | karlpinc_ | gob_bluth: And if you're going to upgrade major debian versions, then don't forget to follow the release notes. |
| 16:13.10 | gob_bluth | abrotman: we also use puppet everywhere and doing inplace upgrades break stuff |
| 16:13.35 | gob_bluth | it's easier and safer to shutdown a vm, and create a new one with deb6 and migrate onlyt he data |
| 16:14.08 | karlpinc_ | gob_bluth: I don't suppose you could do something like set the squeeze box up as some sort of a db mirror (I'm not up on mysql) and then make it the master? |
| 16:14.30 | gob_bluth | karlpinc_: we already have two masters |
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| 16:15.23 | karlpinc_ | gob_bluth: Sounds like a mysql problem. You could try asking a mysql channel. (Not that we don't want to help, but...) |
| 16:15.50 | gob_bluth | karlpinc_: already solved the problem, it was the top folder perms |
| 16:16.45 | karlpinc_ | gob_bluth: Does mysql support newer deamons running from older os files? |
| 16:17.55 | gob_bluth | karlpinc_: it should |
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| 16:18.34 | pycho | sorry can anyone help |
| 16:18.40 | karlpinc_ | gob_bluth: I wouldn't have expected it to, but then I don't pay attention to msyql. |
| 16:18.46 | stew | pycho: not until you ask a question! :) |
| 16:18.47 | karlpinc_ | !tell pycho about ask |
| 16:18.54 | pycho | ´my debian mirror is infectekt |
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| 16:19.01 | stew | karlpinc_: yes for minor versions, no for major versions |
| 16:19.34 | karlpinc_ | stew: Gosh. A sane version numbering system. ! ;-) |
| 16:19.49 | pycho | i can see minimum 24 vire s and trojaner |
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| 16:20.21 | pycho | pleace scann your owne systems |
| 16:20.28 | karlpinc_ | pycho: If your box has been taken over the only safe thing to do is to erase everything, re-install, and restore your data files from backup. |
| 16:21.17 | pycho | pleace check your system too |
| 16:21.35 | stew | pycho: check what system? for what? |
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| 16:22.05 | pycho | /var/spool/apt-mirror/mirror/ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/nepenthes/nepenthes_0.2.2.orig.tar.gz: Trojan.Downloader.Bat FOUND |
| 16:22.08 | stew | pycho: are you trying to say that the official debian archives are somehow "infected"? |
| 16:22.21 | pycho | PHP.Shell-32 |
| 16:22.26 | pycho | i hope not |
| 16:22.32 | pycho | PHP.Shell-32 |
| 16:22.42 | pycho | Exploit.WMF.Gen-1 |
| 16:22.50 | pycho | Worm.Mytob.LC |
| 16:22.56 | pycho | Exploit.IFrame.Gen |
| 16:23.11 | pycho | Trojan.Iframe-9 |
| 16:23.16 | stew | pycho: can you please talk in complete english sentences? |
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| 16:23.23 | pycho | no i cant |
| 16:23.36 | pycho | Trojan.Rootkit-3070 |
| 16:23.41 | stew | pycho: please stop |
| 16:24.04 | stew | what is the md5sum of nepenthes_0.2.2.orig.tar.gz ? |
| 16:24.06 | syn4pse | is there a way to add a user and specify the password directly ? like "useradd --password secret" |
| 16:24.10 | pycho | only my debian de and us mirror is enfektet my system is clean |
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| 16:24.38 | stew | pycho: what files inside the tar.gz are infected? |
| 16:24.56 | pycho | from |
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| 16:25.12 | stew | from? |
| 16:25.17 | pycho | file |
| 16:25.49 | gnarface | wtf is this some sort of human-chat tarpitting bot? |
| 16:25.50 | l0n | syn4pse, you probably want something like: useradd NAME && echo PASS | passwd NAME --stdin |
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| 16:25.59 | pycho | you wand see my log off clam |
| 16:26.03 | stew | no |
| 16:26.03 | syn4pse | ah |
| 16:26.05 | pycho | from mirror |
| 16:26.15 | stew | pycho: i want you to tell me which files you think are infected |
| 16:26.18 | syn4pse | perfect exactly what i need i guess let me check that out |
| 16:26.46 | l0n | syn4pse, if you run into difficulties, have a look at: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/714915/using-the-passwd-command-from-within-a-shell-script |
| 16:27.06 | syn4pse | thanks |
| 16:27.10 | stew | pycho: is "from" the name of a file inside the .tar.gz? |
| 16:27.11 | syn4pse | what a service today ;) |
| 16:27.28 | l0n | np :) |
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| 16:28.05 | stew | syn4pse: or man chgpasswd |
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| 16:30.44 | pycho | can anyone speak german |
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| 16:31.01 | karlpinc_ | !d |
| 16:31.02 | dpkg | it has been said that d is a systems programming language. Its focus is on combining the power and high performance of C and C++ with the programmer productivity of modern languages like Ruby and Python. Special attention is given to the needs of quality assurance, documentation, management, portability and reliability. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D_%28programming_language%29, or uninterruptible sleep (usually IO) |
| 16:31.04 | pycho | me english is teribel |
| 16:31.05 | karlpinc_ | !de |
| 16:31.05 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 16:31.10 | stew | pycho: what does "md5sum nepenthes_0.2.2.orig.tar.gz" return? |
| 16:31.35 | pycho | im bannd i dont now whay |
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| 16:32.02 | pycho | i dont now whay only infectek my miror |
| 16:32.08 | pycho | system clean |
| 16:32.14 | pycho | ??????? |
| 16:33.07 | abrotman | gob_bluth: okay .. but you can't just take mysql binary files from lenny and expect them to work on squeeze |
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| 16:33.35 | TimmyT | what can i use to record my screen? |
| 16:33.45 | oxy290 | just installed 5.0 lenny from disk, cmd to get 6.0 speeze |
| 16:33.56 | stew | pycho: i don't believe your mirror is infected |
| 16:34.02 | stew | pycho: i belive you have false positives |
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| 16:34.24 | stew | pycho: I don't know how that archive could have "PHP.Shell-32" since it contains no php code |
| 16:34.27 | abrotman | TimmyT: GUI or CLI ? |
| 16:34.36 | pycho | wahy do you thing so |
| 16:34.37 | abrotman | !tell oxy290 about lenny->squeeze |
| 16:34.43 | stew | pycho: unless you archived has changed. if you tell us the md5sum of the .tar.gz we can verify if it was changed or not |
| 16:35.04 | TimmyT | abrotman: gui, im going to make a video of my desktop |
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| 16:35.32 | pycho | i have del the miror complitly |
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| 16:35.51 | gnarface | nice |
| 16:35.59 | pycho | im scann agan |
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| 16:36.43 | pycho | pleace canne your system too |
| 16:36.58 | TimmyT | abrotman: sup |
| 16:37.08 | abrotman | TimmyT: istanbul/recordmydesktop |
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| 16:38.27 | pycho | have anyone http too past my scann |
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| 16:39.12 | pycho | i dont wand bann for flud |
| 16:39.29 | pycho | sorry for my english |
| 16:39.31 | boudiccas | ,versions handbrake-gtk |
| 16:39.32 | judd | Package: handbrake-gtk on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 0.9.3-0.1; squeeze-multimedia: 0.9.5-0.1; sid-multimedia: 0.9.5-0.9; wheezy-multimedia: 0.9.5-0.9 |
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| 16:40.23 | pycho | cann anyone past warning in debian.de |
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| 16:40.27 | stew | pycho: i'm looking at nepenthes_0.2.2.orig.tar.gz right now, sure. i suppose that i've scanned it, sure. I can gurantee there is not a php back door in this code |
| 16:40.34 | pycho | i dont now whay i band |
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| 16:41.00 | stew | pycho: no, there is no reason to tell #debian.de about the fact that you are getting false positives on a scan |
| 16:41.08 | gnarface | stew: are there any jpeg or gif files in that package, out of curiosity? |
| 16:41.22 | gnarface | stew: or png for that matter |
| 16:41.24 | oxy290 | upgrading to sqeeze from lenny. cmd apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev not working |
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| 16:42.10 | stew | gnarface: no |
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| 16:43.12 | stew | gnarface: oh |
| 16:43.14 | stew | nepenthes - versatile tool to collect malware by emulating widespread vulnerabilities |
| 16:43.17 | stew | ... |
| 16:43.29 | jelly | oxy290: how does it fail? what does "echo apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev" say? |
| 16:43.40 | Zathraz | Hi. On Debian-squeeze I can see and configure connections in NetWork_Manager but I cannot initiate for instance a VPN connection as that is greyed out. How to enable this please? |
| 16:43.46 | pycho | can i send you a mail |
| 16:43.51 | stew | cripes, i nevere read the package description |
| 16:43.55 | pycho | whis log |
| 16:44.03 | stew | pycho: do you undedrstand what this package does? |
| 16:44.11 | pycho | no |
| 16:44.20 | jelly | !tell oxy290 about bat |
| 16:44.28 | stew | pycho: you should do that first |
| 16:44.42 | pycho | i have 24 trojaner in my mirror |
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| 16:45.26 | stew | pycho: you have false positives |
| 16:45.48 | pycho | and chrootkit and rhunter print only on 6667-6669 for xzibbit |
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| 16:45.58 | ix_ | in debian sources.list I have squeeze, squeeze-updates and security, all main contrib non-free |
| 16:46.09 | ix_ | do I need anything else for default config? |
| 16:46.21 | pycho | is my lod |
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| 16:46.25 | pycho | LibClamAV Warning: Partial message received from MUA/MTA - message cannot be scanned |
| 16:46.25 | pycho | LibClamAV Warning: TNEF body not being scanned - if you believe this file contains a virus, submit it to www.clamav.net |
| 16:46.25 | pycho | LibClamAV Warning: Partial message received from MUA/MTA - message cannot be scanned |
| 16:46.25 | pycho | /var/spool/apt-mirror/mirror/ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/nautilus-clamscan/nautilus-clamscan_0.2.2.orig.tar.gz: ClamAV-Test-File FOUND |
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| 16:46.45 | ix_ | in debian sources.list I have squeeze, squeeze-updates and security, all main contrib non-free |
| 16:46.46 | ix_ | do I need anything else for default config? |
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| 16:47.04 | pycho | /var/www/temp-mirror/www.howtoforge.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=27&daysprune=-1&order=asc&sort=replycou |
| 16:47.05 | ix_ | volatile is squeeze-updates? |
| 16:47.06 | pycho | sorry |
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| 16:47.11 | stew | ix_: yes |
| 16:47.15 | ix_ | ok |
| 16:47.20 | ihsw | how do i get the libmp3lame codec for ffmpeg |
| 16:47.23 | stew | dpkg: tell pycho about paste |
| 16:47.25 | ix_ | then I have everything I need |
| 16:47.45 | pycho | http://paste.debian.net/147831/ |
| 16:47.56 | ix_ | I'm asking because it's a bit difficult to install debian netinstall with WPA |
| 16:48.06 | pycho | can anyone check |
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| 16:48.15 | pycho | http://paste.debian.net/147831/ |
| 16:48.37 | pycho | one scann error ok |
| 16:48.41 | pycho | http://paste.debian.net/147831/ |
| 16:48.52 | pycho | but so many |
| 16:48.55 | stew | pycho: there is no reason to keep repeating that same url |
| 16:49.01 | stew | pycho: do you have a specific question:? |
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| 16:49.44 | ihsw | how do i get the libmp3lame codec for ffmpeg |
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| 16:50.14 | pycho | i dont under stand whay so many on my mirro |
| 16:50.21 | pycho | http://paste.debian.net/147831/ |
| 16:50.29 | stew | pycho: do you understand what a "false positive" is ? |
| 16:50.41 | pycho | so many |
| 16:50.50 | pycho | http://paste.debian.net/147831/ |
| 16:51.04 | stew | pycho: stop repeating that url |
| 16:51.13 | pycho | k |
| 16:51.18 | ix_ | they really should make netinstall installable through a WPA wireless, it works only for WEP |
| 16:51.28 | oxy290 | jelly: it just says "E: Couldn't find package linux-image-2.6.26-1-686udev |
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| 16:51.36 | stew | ix_: if you think you can help with that, please do! |
| 16:51.42 | ix_ | LOL |
| 16:51.45 | ix_ | good idea |
| 16:51.52 | ix_ | but I don't know that kind of kung fu |
| 16:52.06 | jelly | oxy290: there is a space between second ` and udev, you missed it |
| 16:52.20 | stew | ix_: you can trust that the reason it's not yet supported is not because people think it is not needed, but probably just because nobody has volunteered to do the actual work yet |
| 16:52.21 | ix_ | oh, I know, it's easy, they should provide wpasupplicant in the netinstall cd |
| 16:52.23 | babilen | stew, ix_: Doesn't the testing d-i support WPA already? |
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| 16:52.31 | oxy290 | jelly now says - already at newest version... |
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| 16:52.34 | babilen | checks |
| 16:52.38 | stew | babilen: oh, no idea. i haven't used it |
| 16:52.42 | jelly | oxy290: ok. Do "apt-get install linux-image-686 udev" instead |
| 16:52.51 | ix_ | babilen, I don't know |
| 16:52.55 | ix_ | I'm using squeeze |
| 16:53.06 | babilen | ix_: Which does not support it, yes. |
| 16:53.09 | cleto | hi! where can I ask a question about how to create a debian/watch file? |
| 16:53.15 | cleto | is there any IRC channel? |
| 16:53.29 | oxy290 | couldn't find package jelly |
| 16:53.29 | stew | cleto: #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org is the right place |
| 16:53.41 | cleto | thanks stew |
| 16:53.42 | cleto | ;) |
| 16:53.49 | stew | :) |
| 16:54.07 | pycho | anyone have loock????? |
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| 16:54.33 | stew | pycho: yes, i've looked |
| 16:54.39 | pycho | and?? |
| 16:54.42 | jelly | oxy290: pastebin the full output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy libc6 linux-image-686 udev" |
| 16:54.42 | stew | pycho: do you understand what a false positive is? |
| 16:54.59 | pycho | no hgfhjgf.hgfktfgt.hg |
| 16:55.00 | pycho | or |
| 16:55.02 | pycho | bat |
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| 16:55.21 | jelly | !tell oxy290 about paste |
| 16:55.42 | stew | pycho: was that trying to be an answer to my question? |
| 16:56.46 | oxy290 | give me 5 mins |
| 16:56.53 | pycho | was ist the true positive |
| 16:56.57 | pycho | for it |
| 16:57.23 | pycho | or channel |
| 16:57.23 | stew | pycho: i think you need a german language channel, as we are not communicating effectively |
| 16:57.34 | pycho | im band |
| 16:57.42 | stew | pycho: if you do not know why you are banned from #debian.de you should ask an operator of that channel |
| 16:57.56 | pycho | i dont now |
| 16:58.01 | stew | pycho: you can get a list of operators by "/msg chanserv access #debian.de list" |
| 16:58.07 | pycho | whas me first time |
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| 16:58.17 | pycho | i whant get in |
| 16:58.27 | stew | pycho: talk to an op of #debian.de |
| 16:58.37 | jelly | he could literally say "help me Rhonda" |
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| 16:58.51 | jelly | hides |
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| 16:59.18 | stew | :) |
| 17:00.25 | babilen | pycho: You need a different username -- +b *!*admin*@* -- Have fun. |
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| 17:01.08 | oxy290 | jelly: http://pastebin.com/QZ6UFb5J |
| 17:01.43 | oxy290 | correction - http://pastebin.com/QZ6UFb4J |
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| 17:02.45 | oxy290 | Anyone else wanna take on that pastebin? |
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| 17:04.07 | stew | oxy290: you don't have a main mirror. you only have security. you need a regular mirror as well |
| 17:04.30 | jelly | !squeeze sources.list |
| 17:04.31 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 17:04.31 | stew | oxy290: the security mirror only has security updates. it would be missing packages which haven't yet had security updates |
| 17:04.38 | stew | oxy290: see dpkg above ^^ |
| 17:04.54 | jelly | oxy290: add that deb http://cdn... line |
| 17:05.03 | oxy290 | thanks! |
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| 17:07.10 | trguohufdigoiho8 | sorry im agen im pycho |
| 17:07.19 | oxy290 | ohh... apt-get update error... "W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems" |
| 17:07.22 | trguohufdigoiho8 | i cant connctec |
| 17:07.38 | somiaj | oxy290: look up to see the actual error |
| 17:07.58 | oxy290 | something about public keys for the security updates |
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| 17:08.16 | oxy290 | pastebin? |
| 17:08.42 | oxy290 | reguardless, its installing the image now... so... should i worry? its a W: anyways |
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| 17:09.34 | acu | how can I know how many applications are in the main reposiories - some dpkg -l ? |
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| 17:10.21 | Justin | acu: apt-cache search ''|wc -l ? |
| 17:10.21 | acu | if I want to search for specific applications - what should I type ? I want to know whether the application is install and what files are associated with it |
| 17:10.29 | Justin | acu: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:10.39 | acu | Thanks Justin |
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| 17:11.08 | oxy290 | oh intresting.. never seen this before! - "[ 829.914090] CPU1: Temperature above threashold, spu clock throttled (total events = 813)" same for CPU0 on next line aswell. COOL! |
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| 17:13.07 | mjt | that's quite usual message whith proper drivers loaded when your cpu is overheating |
| 17:13.16 | cccc828 | oxy290, definitely not *cool*, but still hot. |
| 17:14.30 | mjt | you may want to review the cooling system |
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| 17:16.57 | oxy290 | Eh, the system I'm toying with at the moment will just be the host for a future LFS project. the only real debian system im worried about is my server :s |
| 17:17.17 | kurkale6ka | Hi, is it possible to do this interactively: aptitude purge '~nkde'? |
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| 17:18.32 | lcb | Hi. I need FLTK and i can't see it in the normal repos. Do I need to compile it from source? |
| 17:19.59 | tensorpudding | lcb, fltk is in the repos |
| 17:19.59 | lcb | ... Fast Light Tool Kit... |
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| 17:20.08 | tensorpudding | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=fltk&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
| 17:20.14 | lcb | oh :o |
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| 17:24.15 | lcb | tensorpudding: thanks. i saw it before and i didn' realize the the libs (oly) would do the job. |
| 17:24.37 | lcb | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.46 | lcb | :) tks a lot |
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| 17:25.03 | lcb | (oly)=only |
| 17:26.47 | lcb | by the way, if anyone here using Rivendell to stream audio over IP i appreciate suggestions on how to do it after successful installing Rivendell |
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| 17:27.52 | lcb | i'm trying Butt -- giving it a shot -- (that's why i need FJTK). not sure though if it's the better app to do it |
| 17:28.18 | lcb | grrr FLTK, I mean |
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| 18:00.13 | acu | I can annotate (draw) on the screen by using Compiz - but can I type on the screen ? |
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| 18:00.39 | guk | hmm |
| 18:01.33 | Steaven | mh? |
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| 18:12.49 | e20100633 | Hey there :) |
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| 18:13.59 | e20100633 | I've got -rw-r----- 1 root adm 5152 Dec 2 19:08 /var/log/alog; I added myself to the adm group (usermod -a -G adm $LOGIN) but when I less /var/log/alog, I get a Permission denied |
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| 18:14.42 | e20100633 | I checked in /etc/group and I've got adm:x:4:e201 (e201 is my $LOGIN)... did I miss something please? |
| 18:15.19 | babilen | e20100633: Is adm listed in "groups" or "id" ? |
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| 18:16.14 | e20100633 | I've got it when I id e201; but, interesting, it isn't present when I groups |
| 18:16.46 | babilen | e20100633: Did you relogin after making the changes? (Or did you do some "newgrp -" vodoo?) |
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| 18:17.03 | e20100633 | hum not at all! let me try please |
| 18:17.23 | babilen | granted ;) |
| 18:17.33 | e20100633 | ok ok... I logout/login, it worked, thank you babilen :) |
| 18:17.40 | babilen | You are welcome |
| 18:17.44 | e20100633 | but why I need to logout? I don't understand |
| 18:18.34 | babilen | e20100633: Groups are initialised when you logon -- You can get around the need to login with some "newgrp" vodoo, but I'd recommend to just relogin |
| 18:19.35 | e20100633 | hm, okay, thank you again babilen, I'm going to read the newgroup's man btw for my knowledge :) |
| 18:19.45 | e20100633 | s/newgroup/newgrp/ |
| 18:19.57 | babilen | enjoy |
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| 18:20.28 | stew | newgrp creates a subshell with the passed group as the effective gid, this allows you to use the new priveleges but has possibly unwanted side-effects, like any file you create will have that group as the group owner |
| 18:20.51 | e20100633 | oh... ok, thanks for the info |
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| 18:21.37 | babilen | hence "vodoo", but yeah, you need to switch back to your original gid |
| 18:21.41 | acu | Can I type something on the screen - without affecting the wallpaper - something like Compiz Annotate - but with Text Input from Keyboard ? |
| 18:24.01 | babilen | acu: Never used that or heard about it -- If compiz can do that #compiz could know :-/ |
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| 18:25.32 | any0ne | hello all. I get a problem with iptables and rsyslog. I dont understand how to write log from iptables ina separate file. Anyone can help me ? |
| 18:25.59 | any0ne | here is my log policies: $IPTABLES -A INPUT -J LOG --log-prefix "DROP PACKETS : " --log-level 4 |
| 18:26.19 | druonysus | once a raid is built can you add a drive to the array? |
| 18:26.28 | any0ne | i dont understand how to configure rsyslog to write those logs into /var/log/iptables for example ? |
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| 18:27.28 | stew | druonysus: hardware raid or sofware raid? what raid level? |
| 18:27.36 | druonysus | I am trying to set up a software raid |
| 18:27.42 | druonysus | stew: software |
| 18:27.51 | druonysus | stew: mdadm |
| 18:28.02 | stew | druonysus: google for "mdadm reshape" |
| 18:28.44 | stew | druonysus: you want to add another drive to expand the space avaialbe, right? |
| 18:28.48 | stew | druonysus: not just add a hot spare |
| 18:28.59 | stew | and not to change the raid level |
| 18:29.02 | druonysus | stew: right |
| 18:29.52 | druonysus | stew: I have a system installed on lvm spanning one disk |
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| 18:31.23 | druonysus | I want to add my other 3 disks to a raid... span the lvm over the new volume... remove the original disk... and set that disk into the raid.. then span the lvm over the additional space |
| 18:31.43 | druonysus | will that work? |
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| 18:32.43 | stew | druonysus: yes, i believe so. what raid level are you going to use? |
| 18:33.08 | stew | if you are going to use 5 or 10, you could also create the raid degraded (with a missing drive), then add the missing drive after it has data |
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| 18:33.24 | druonysus | stew: but I have not figured out where to put my kernel boot partition |
| 18:33.41 | Justin | druonysus: you wouldn't span the lvm over the new volume and then remove the old one, you would just move it in one shot |
| 18:34.01 | stew | i assume he means to use pvmove |
| 18:34.08 | stew | pvmove is how I would do it |
| 18:34.18 | Justin | yep |
| 18:34.22 | raven | how to deny complete domains like *.google.com? |
| 18:34.32 | Justin | raven: for? |
| 18:34.36 | stew | raven: deny them from doing what? |
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| 18:35.14 | raven | stew, establishing connections for what i did not allowed it |
| 18:35.20 | stew | raven: you can't |
| 18:35.28 | stew | raven: unless you have something more specific |
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| 18:36.01 | oxy290 | ~#:cfdisk - FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive - press any key to exit cfdisk |
| 18:36.08 | stew | raven: unless you have a good way of determining if a given ip address is part of "*.google.com" |
| 18:36.16 | raven | stew, i do not want ANY connection with embedded things of any website to google, facebook and anything elese |
| 18:36.22 | druonysus | stew: we want to use raid 5 |
| 18:37.37 | stew | raven: you would not want to hold up the creation of a connection on dns checking to see if reverse dns (which would not necessarily by all inclusive) matches google.co |
| 18:38.01 | stew | raven: so first you do the impossible task of "get a list of all the ip addresses you want to block" |
| 18:38.22 | raven | stew, how to do a deep packet inspection on my local system then? |
| 18:38.42 | stew | raven: snort? |
| 18:39.04 | oxy290 | stew, how much experience with debian do you have (years) |
| 18:39.34 | stew | druonysus: when you create the array, instead of creating an array with devices like "/dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1" as a 3 disk raid 5, you can create a 4 disk raid 5 with "/dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 missing" |
| 18:40.03 | stew | druonysus: this will be degraded, obviously, but when you have the other drive, you can add it to the array and it will resync with the new disk and not be degraded |
| 18:40.16 | stew | oxy290: uh, i guess since 2001? |
| 18:40.34 | oxy290 | 10 years, impressive... going on 10 months here =D |
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| 18:41.22 | stew | NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Registered : Nov 20 04:01:47 2002 (9 years, 2 weeks, 0 days) |
| 18:41.28 | stew | so probably slightly longer than that |
| 18:41.38 | stew | since i first came here for help with my first debian install |
| 18:42.05 | druonysus | stew: how would I make the raid 5 with /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 missing? |
| 18:42.14 | oxy290 | where did you learn most of the tricks and tips you know? or is it just ecumulative over numerous search engine queries |
| 18:42.16 | druonysus | stew: with mdadm? |
| 18:42.36 | stew | oxy290: here |
| 18:43.10 | druonysus | stew: right now I am trying to run "mdadm -C /dev/md0 -n 3 -l 5 -x 1 /dev/sd[bcd]1" to make the raid... but it is not working |
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| 18:44.12 | stew | druonysus: yeah, that's not enough devices |
| 18:44.22 | acu | I am trying to install ardesia in debian squeeze and it needs a newer version of libgdk-pixbuf2.22.0 or above (the installled one is 2.0.0.) can anyone direct me where I can get the newest deb package for that lib ? |
| 18:44.24 | stew | druonysus: you say 3 devices with 1 spare, but only give 3 devices |
| 18:44.50 | druonysus | stew: oh... okay.. so if I say 2 with 1 it should work? |
| 18:45.05 | stew | druonysus: no, 3 is the minimum for raid5 |
| 18:45.13 | stew | druonysus: i'm recommending you use "mdadm -C /dev/md0 -n 4 -l 5 /dev/sd[bcd]1 missing" |
| 18:45.46 | stew | druonysus: or "mdadm -C /dev/md0 -n 3 -l 5 /dev/sd[bcd]1" |
| 18:45.48 | druonysus | stew: okay |
| 18:45.53 | stew | druonysus: are you intending to have a hot spare? |
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| 18:46.05 | stew | druonysus: meaning one that doesn't participate in the array at all until a drive fails |
| 18:47.08 | druonysus | stew: no I don't need a hot spare |
| 18:47.17 | stew | druonysus: then you don't want -x |
| 18:47.42 | druonysus | oh.. okay. so the second command is the one I want |
| 18:48.02 | stew | druonysus: my suggestion is "mdadm -C /dev/md0 -n 4 -l 5 /dev/sd[bcd]1 missing" which creates a degraded array (no redundancy, dangerous until we get some). then add the other drive later |
| 18:48.15 | ZekeS | acu: 2.24 is currently in testing and newer |
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| 18:48.51 | stew | with -n4 the array is the size you eventually desire, with -n3 it is smaller (the size of 2 devices) and when you add the 4th you have to reshape |
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| 18:49.34 | druonysus | stew: okay, i got the /dev/md0 started now |
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| 18:50.01 | druonysus | stew: I used the "mdadm -C /dev/md0 -n 4 -l 5 /dev/sd[bcd]1 missing" command |
| 18:50.10 | lamah | mdamd mdamd mdamd |
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| 18:51.07 | acu | ZekeS: thanks, I was waiting for someone to answer - did not notice your comment - thanks |
| 18:51.16 | stew | druonysus: now wait, before you go too far with this. did you figure out where /boot goes? |
| 18:51.31 | ZekeS | acu: `sok :p |
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| 18:51.52 | druonysus | stew: boot is on /dev/sda where the install is at |
| 18:52.04 | stew | ok |
| 18:52.08 | druonysus | shouldn't it move with pvmove command? |
| 18:52.41 | oxy290 | where can i get information on the actual kernal of GNU/Linux |
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| 18:53.31 | stew | druonysus: /boot is an lvm partition? |
| 18:53.52 | stew | err, partition is not the right word there |
| 18:53.58 | stew | druonysus: is /boot an lv? |
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| 18:54.37 | oxy290 | hahaha, 1186 people here, and stew is the one answereing the majority, I'd love to help you stew, but I'm learning myself |
| 18:54.50 | Pupskucheen | I have this in my syslog file: ...kernel: [488456.138576] [drm] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: no space while hiding cursor |
| 18:55.00 | Pupskucheen | What does it mean / How do I fix it? |
| 18:55.04 | druonysus | stew: no I don't think linux will boot form an lvm volume so it is a little 150 meg partition |
| 18:55.21 | stew | druonysus: then no, pvmove will not move it |
| 18:55.42 | stew | druonysus: pvmove is only going to move the contents of the pv so you can remove it from the vg |
| 18:55.56 | druonysus | stew: right |
| 18:56.12 | druonysus | stew: so what should I do with the /boot partition? |
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| 18:58.04 | druonysus | stew: can I move it to an external disk (something like a USB drive) and then point grub at that untill I have the raid all partitioned and everything? |
| 18:58.32 | druonysus | stew: then just move it back and reconfig grub again? |
| 18:58.36 | acu | I see that ardesia is in testing - I thought I am smart and install it with the hope that it will pull only one or two libraries - but it actually changes the GNOME and everything - I wonder how can I find an older ardesia - which would not require that dramatic change ? |
| 18:59.01 | acu | So I can install it in Squeeze |
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| 19:01.48 | stew | i don't keep up with this stuff, it is possible that grub2 makes it possible to have /boot on lvm on raid, i don't know |
| 19:02.00 | valdyn | stew: it does |
| 19:02.06 | stew | ah, excellent |
| 19:02.21 | stew | acu: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 19:02.22 | valdyn | stew: should be arbitrarily stackable |
| 19:02.33 | Pupskucheen | I have this in my syslog file: "...kernel: [488456.138576] [drm] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: no space while hiding cursor" What does it mean / How do I fix it? |
| 19:02.34 | stew | judd: checkbackport ardesia |
| 19:02.35 | judd | Backporting package ardesia in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
| 19:03.04 | valdyn | stew: but ive only ever used the simple case: lvm on raid1 |
| 19:03.05 | stew | druonysus: so valdyn says that perhaps you can just move /boot into a partition on the lvm |
| 19:03.37 | druonysus | stew: so grub can boot from an lvm partition? |
| 19:03.49 | valdyn | druonysus: grub2 |
| 19:03.55 | stew | druonysus: if valdyn says it can, he's someone I'd trust about this |
| 19:04.00 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 19:04.03 | stew | i've never done this myself |
| 19:05.10 | valdyn | druonysus: grub2 needs to embed its drivers somewhere outside lvm though, so if you partitioned "wrongly" then you have no space for grub2 |
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| 19:07.50 | valdyn | druonysus: also: grub2 embeds only the drivers it needs according to some heuristics, so you need to dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc after moving /boot to lvm |
| 19:08.19 | stew | that should probably be just a copy not a move until its verified as working on lvm, i'd think |
| 19:08.32 | valdyn | yes |
| 19:10.43 | oxy290 | cfdisk: unable to open drive; fdisk /dev/hda: Unable to open /dev/hda |
| 19:10.46 | oxy290 | help? |
| 19:10.50 | valdyn | this has been working without issue for years for me, so I might miss some possible issues. However you probably need to dpkg-reconfigure your kernel also |
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| 19:11.49 | valdyn | oxy290: are you sure that that is the complete error message? |
| 19:12.02 | NaCl | oxy290: and it's probably /dev/sda |
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| 19:12.19 | oxy290 | valdyn: Yes, for both cmds, and cfdisk does not prompt for a device |
| 19:12.32 | vampi-the-frog | hi does anyone here use a ssh tunnel to mount a samba share (windows client / debian server) |
| 19:12.37 | oxy290 | fdisk: Unable to open /dev/sda |
| 19:12.40 | valdyn | Im unable to reproduce that error |
| 19:12.50 | acu | A silly question - Wheezy has the new Unity Gnome ? Simillar to that in Fedora 16 or Open Suse 12.1 ? |
| 19:12.58 | valdyn | acu: no |
| 19:13.13 | lstarnes | fedora and opensuse don't use unity |
| 19:13.15 | lstarnes | they use gnome 3 |
| 19:13.17 | oxy290 | I've had this issue before but forgot how to fix it. |
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| 19:13.35 | oxy290 | I have 2 IDE hard drives connected and 2 CD ROMS |
| 19:13.46 | Pupskucheen | vampi-the-frog: you here? :D |
| 19:13.58 | aika | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.03 | vampi-the-frog | :) |
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| 19:14.26 | acu | valdyn: what is wheezy using - Gnome 3 ? (I mean there are not anymore top menus like we have in Sqqueeze ? which has Gnome 2.3 ? |
| 19:14.40 | aika | hey |
| 19:15.37 | vampi-the-frog | I'm trying to access my samba shares through ssh |
| 19:15.50 | vampi-the-frog | or rather, from a different place in the world (not on LAN) |
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| 19:16.28 | acu | By the way, I just install ARDESIA 0.8 (older version) in Debian Squeeze AMD64 - it kicks butt big time - you can write on your screen whatever you want - however input you have at your disposal - just amazing - I thought to share with you - in case anyone want to create some tutorials |
| 19:16.29 | Owner | hello |
| 19:16.40 | Owner | are there any tools to get the last tiem a users password was changed |
| 19:16.53 | oxy290 | Anyone able to help with cfdisk: unable to open drive; or fdisk: unable to open /dev/hda (verified /dev/hda to be correct password) |
| 19:17.10 | lstarnes | oxy290: chage -l username |
| 19:17.15 | lstarnes | oops, that was for Owner |
| 19:17.33 | oxy290 | owner: probably ment 'change' there |
| 19:17.37 | Owner | thanks |
| 19:17.54 | lstarnes | no, chage (CHange AGE) |
| 19:20.52 | druonysus | stew: but will grub be able to boot from an LVM volume on a software raid? |
| 19:21.43 | stew | druonysus: valdyn says yes and I trust him, tias |
| 19:22.04 | acu | I thought Unity is Gnome3 - it seem that this is Ubuntu new reinvention |
| 19:22.25 | lstarnes | acu: Unity is based on gnome 3 but is not gnome 3 |
| 19:22.34 | druonysus | stew: okay... looks like this is doable |
| 19:22.36 | Dulak | Unity is what canonical made because they didn't think gnome 3 was bad enough by itself. |
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| 19:23.03 | froggyman | gnome3 is the reason I'm switching to kde |
| 19:23.10 | oxy290 | how does install kde4, wanna get rid of kde3.5 |
| 19:23.46 | acu | Dulak: lol |
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| 19:24.31 | Dulak | Mint has done some pretty nice things to gnome 3 that are making me think it might be worth using. Added back many of the things from gnome2 that are missing in gnome3, I am waiting for a few things to make it into the Mint Debian repo and am gonna try it on my laptop |
| 19:24.33 | abrotman | live.gnome.org/EveryDetailMatters |
| 19:25.38 | acu | I use mostly Debian Squeeze (which is somehow old), and RHEL and Scientific Linux 6.1 - which are reeeally old - so this new Desktops on Fedora 16, OpenSuse and all - are like a culture shock - good that CLI is still the same :) |
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| 19:27.10 | tensorpudding | gnome 3 was on fedora 15 too |
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| 19:28.16 | Dulak | I didn't hate gnome 3, it just needs more of the functionality from gnome 2, and some optimization, it would run slower and slower until I'd restart X when I tried it. |
| 19:28.38 | abrotman | Dulak: i haven't experienced that at all |
| 19:29.18 | Dulak | abrotman: it was a while ago, I'm sure they've plugged many leaks since then |
| 19:29.29 | oxy290 | what are some high graphics 3D games that are open source for debian/linux |
| 19:29.39 | abrotman | Dulak: i did have an issue where ibus-gtk3 wasn't installed and made it a bit laggy |
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| 19:29.55 | acu | I used fedora 16 with GNOME3 is amazingly slow - but it seem, based on abrotman link, that there is an uberactive community trying to fix everything |
| 19:30.21 | druonysus | stew: so once I have my 2 phisical groups (the original and the new one sitting on the raid), I should make a seperate volume group for the new raid and not add it to the current volume group, right? |
| 19:30.40 | Dulak | Yeah it just needs a bit more maturing before I'll move to it. It's getting attention so it won't be long now and I'll be running it. |
| 19:31.08 | npx | i consider the gnome3 thing a ~5-10yr setback for Linux =/ |
| 19:31.27 | abrotman | dunno .. it's mostly okay now for me .. i dislike that pidgin doesn't do notifications .. but otherwise mostly okay |
| 19:31.48 | jhutchins_lt | npx: Why? Nobody has to run gnome. Linus doesn't. |
| 19:31.51 | abrotman | npx: luckily for you .. you don't have to use it :) |
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| 19:32.00 | abrotman | wonders why anyone cares what linus runs .. |
| 19:32.16 | npx | i'm not using it... i'm not angry that they went in that direction either, not my problem |
| 19:32.25 | abrotman | still spoke up :) |
| 19:32.26 | druonysus | stew: or is this where I should use the pvmove command to move the old pv to the new pv? |
| 19:32.28 | tensorpudding | people let him spout opinions loudly in the linux news rags, and it stirs the pot |
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| 19:32.57 | npx | abrotman, i just saw it being discussed, i find it upsetting because gnome 2.3.x was getting so good and stable |
| 19:33.03 | Dulak | I love that MS is copying gnome/unity for windows 8. It will help linux I think, when people with real PCs need to get real work done. |
| 19:33.37 | nkuttler | real pcs? real work? huh what? |
| 19:33.39 | acu | lol |
| 19:33.48 | abrotman | npx: see the uh .. MATE project |
| 19:33.49 | Dulak | npx: oh yeah, it was finally right to the point where I was thinking 'this is the perfect desktop for me' and BAM, gnome 3. |
| 19:33.52 | acu | Dulak: hit the nail in the head ;) |
| 19:35.06 | nkuttler | that's what you get when you use something that wants to do everything for you... |
| 19:35.32 | Dulak | Windows 8 is totally aimed at the tablet/app type market. And if you read some of the stuff they are forcing on devs it'll be a wonder if windows survives on normal PCs |
| 19:35.47 | acu | Is wheezy smooth, or breaks often ? |
| 19:36.01 | abrotman | acu: depends on what you use and what you use it for |
| 19:36.03 | nkuttler | acu: breaks often |
| 19:36.07 | oxy290 | Dulak: inb4 it don't |
| 19:36.20 | jhutchins_lt | acu: Intended to test software for the next release, not intended as a working system. |
| 19:36.42 | npx | abrotman, I guess I'll balance it out by saying something positive... debian 6 is awesome, best OS I've ever used |
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| 19:37.26 | acu | I am creating some simple tutorials for desktop and different applications - and GNOME2 on Squeeze is fine - but since this are desktop oriented - I might want to do them in "next generation" desktop (though everything I show is both CLI and GUI - and for GUI part I am concerned that in 6 months from now the GNOME2 GUI is history) |
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| 19:38.24 | oxy290 | is it possible to run 2 different desktops (KDE and GDM) like on CTRL+ALT+F7 and CTRL+ALT+F8 |
| 19:38.35 | jhutchins_lt | acu: Squeeze will continue to be supported for twelve months after wheezy is released, and that's not likely to be any time soon. |
| 19:38.37 | nkuttler | oxy290: yes |
| 19:39.02 | oxy290 | nkuttler: care to point me to a tutorial, or give pointers yourself? |
| 19:39.23 | nkuttler | oxy290: honestly, i don't recall. something like startx :1.0 or somesuch |
| 19:39.45 | oxy290 | nkuttler: googleing 'somesuch' |
| 19:39.54 | acu | nkuttler, so you can swith them on the fly - without loging off ? |
| 19:40.06 | oxy290 | oh wouldn't that be nifty |
| 19:40.15 | nkuttler | sure |
| 19:40.19 | oxy290 | haha |
| 19:40.28 | nkuttler | oxy290: try a smarter search like multiple startx or somesuch |
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| 19:41.09 | jhutchins_lt | My systems have a "switch user" option that will launch a new DM session from which I can pick any DE I have instaled. |
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| 19:41.31 | nkuttler | yeah you can use gdm and probably others to do that as well |
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| 19:45.27 | Llywelyn | hello everybody... |
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| 19:46.08 | Llywelyn | I'm wondering: can I do a minimal install of Debian (only console) and then only install a window manager like Fluxbox for a daily use ? What's the difference with a DE ? |
| 19:46.28 | nkuttler | Llywelyn: sure. just don't install the desktop task |
| 19:47.10 | zykotick9 | oxy290, if you use GDM try running "gdmflexiserver" |
| 19:47.12 | nkuttler | Llywelyn: as for the difference.. that depends on you |
| 19:47.15 | Llywelyn | nkuttler: i just can't figure the difference between a DE and a window manager... I mean, I can still install software, set a wallpaper ecc... ? |
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| 19:47.59 | zykotick9 | Llywelyn, DE typically implies a collection of programs, vs. a WM that just looks after placing windows |
| 19:48.08 | nkuttler | Llywelyn: imo a DE just adds bloat, but i know exactly what i want |
| 19:48.28 | ompaul | Llywelyn: DE and window manager - wm tends not tp be built from a tool kit (qt whatever) and DE tends to have a multitude of apps built for it |
| 19:48.31 | nkuttler | Llywelyn: and even if you use a simple WM you can use parts of the DE you like. services etc |
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| 19:49.07 | Llywelyn | Perfect, then that's exactly what I wanted. A clean OS... without gnome stuff that take hours to be removed ! |
| 19:49.12 | JetJaguarXP | I'm installing HPLIP and it's telling me that I need "python-devel" ? Is that "python-dev" in Symantic? |
| 19:49.35 | JetJaguarXP | Synaptic |
| 19:49.43 | nkuttler | JetJaguarXP: sounds like a good guess |
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| 19:50.26 | JetJaguarXP | There's a "python-dev" and a "python2.6-dev". Anyone know the difference? |
| 19:50.28 | Llywelyn | What is the gnome WM by the way ? If I'm bound to reinstall my OS, i'd like not to try hundreds of them... And is there a way to go back to a "minimal" debian install without reinstalling it ? thanks ;) |
| 19:50.42 | zykotick9 | Llywelyn, metacity |
| 19:50.45 | valdyn | JetJaguarXP: read the package description and version |
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| 19:51.16 | zykotick9 | Llywelyn, i don't think you can run metacity by itself however |
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| 19:51.21 | nkuttler | does gnome still use metacity? i thought they moved on for 3 |
| 19:51.26 | JetJaguarXP | The package descriptions are the same.... ?? |
| 19:51.33 | lstarnes | nkuttler: it uses mutter, I think |
| 19:51.33 | zykotick9 | nkuttler, for gnome3 they did |
| 19:51.35 | valdyn | JetJaguarXP: they are not |
| 19:51.53 | nkuttler | JetJaguarXP: read also the depends line |
| 19:52.01 | lstarnes | JetJaguarXP: also the version numbers |
| 19:52.08 | Llywelyn | Too bad... Should I use FluxBox or something else then ? I've got 2 pcs, one with a 3,06 Ghz pentium4 CPU and the other one with a PII 200mhz cpu |
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| 19:52.38 | valdyn | Llywelyn: you should use whatever you want to use |
| 19:52.42 | nkuttler | Llywelyn: i use openbox. fluxbox is fine as well but i switched some years ago when fluxbox in debian was a little buggy |
| 19:52.44 | abrotman | npx: hehe |
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| 19:53.27 | JetJaguarXP | Llywelyn Go crunchbang.... |
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| 19:54.01 | Llywelyn | mmh... well, both crunchbang and openbox can run on a 200mhz cpu ? |
| 19:54.33 | Llywelyn | oh, crunchbang is a distro... well, i prefer staying on debian atm |
| 19:54.49 | nkuttler | Llywelyn: it doesn't get much more lightweight than openbox. maybe one of the older wms |
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| 19:55.20 | Llywelyn | nkuttler: you mean that openbox is the lightest wm ? |
| 19:55.26 | nkuttler | Llywelyn: no |
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| 19:55.44 | valdyn | evilwm is the lightest wm, probably |
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| 19:56.07 | nkuttler | right, you might want a fullscreen wm |
| 19:56.38 | JetJaguarXP | These are the descriptions of the python dev packages - http://pastebin.com/eXRdYQAj |
| 19:57.03 | valdyn | JetJaguarXP: why aer you showing us? we already know |
| 19:57.17 | valdyn | JetJaguarXP: or are you saying that you cant spot the difference? |
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| 19:57.27 | nkuttler | JetJaguarXP: python-dev depends on python2.6-dev |
| 19:57.32 | JetJaguarXP | valdyn I can see that one is dependant on the other. |
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| 19:57.59 | valdyn | JetJaguarXP: ok, im talking about the description |
| 19:58.00 | JetJaguarXP | So do I HAVE to install python-dev or will python2.6-dev satisfy the dependency? |
| 19:58.02 | nkuttler | JetJaguarXP: python-dev will probably upgrade your python-dev to python3.0-dev some day, 2.6 won't |
| 19:58.50 | JetJaguarXP | Ok. That explains the difference. |
| 19:59.12 | nkuttler | already depends on 2.7 intesting |
| 19:59.15 | kfogel | Am trying to do netinstall from a bootable USB stick, as described at http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall. It boots, but then the installer scans for "an installer ISO image" across all drives (presumably including usb stick) and fails to find it. This has not happened to me before. Anyone familiar with this? |
| 19:59.26 | kfogel | (I got the boot.img.gz from here: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz) |
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| 20:00.03 | JetJaguarXP | Well, I'll go with python-dev I got the space for it. |
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| 20:06.14 | JetJaguarXP | Oh sheesh. Ok, now I have to install "cups-devel" but I can't find any Debian packages with that name. |
| 20:06.42 | JetJaguarXP | Anyone have any ideas what the HP software wants there? |
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| 20:08.07 | nkuttler | JetJaguarXP: hplip drivers seem to be packaged. why do you want to build them? |
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| 20:08.37 | jspirosweb | I usually install Debian GNU/Linux entirely on LVM, meaning, even my boot files are on an LVM partition. I'm thinking about trying out XEN. Can XEN be booted from LVM as Linux can, from Grub? |
| 20:08.39 | JetJaguarXP | Installing a newer version and the installer checks for dependencies. |
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| 20:08.52 | jspirosweb | Or should I consider creating a normal, "real", physical partition for boot, so I don't have any problems with XEN? |
| 20:08.52 | nkuttler | JetJaguarXP: obviously. apt-cache search cups dev |
| 20:09.04 | Dulak | JetJaguarXP: libcups2-dev and maybe libcupsys2-dev |
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| 20:09.18 | jspirosweb | I'd prefer to do LVM if I can, but I'd rather not spend all the time installing a base system on LVM and then installing XEN and seeing it won't work... |
| 20:09.29 | JetJaguarXP | Ok libcups.... Thanks |
| 20:09.30 | Dulak | JetJaguarXP: I have both installed for some reason I can't remember, and I have build drivers on this machine. |
| 20:10.19 | Dulak | s/build/built/ |
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| 20:11.42 | druonysus | stew: pvmove aborts with an error: "/var/lock/lvm/V_pve: open failed: Read-only file system" |
| 20:12.19 | JetJaguarXP | Dulak looks like it's libcups2-dev |
| 20:13.15 | JetJaguarXP | Nope, that wasn't it. Still telling me I need "cups-devel" |
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| 20:14.51 | Dulak | JetJaguarXP: there are a ton of -dev packages relating to cups, you are gonna have to do trial and error, per nkuttler's suggestion |
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| 20:16.20 | JetJaguarXP | Dulak Found someone else having the same issue on Google and they resolved it by installing libcupsys2-dev. Unfortunately I can't find that package in apt/Synaptic... Argh... |
| 20:16.47 | Dulak | JetJaguarXP: but honestly I probably did exactly that, and it ended up being libcupsys2-dev because those are the only 2 things I have installed |
| 20:18.44 | JetJaguarXP | Hmmmmm debian.org says that libcupsys2-dev is provided by libcups2-dev.... |
| 20:19.20 | JetJaguarXP | in Squeeze |
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| 20:22.06 | JetJaguarXP | Well, guess I have to install it from unstable. |
| 20:24.13 | nkuttler | !tell JetJaguarXP about ssbp |
| 20:25.17 | Dulak | it's a virtual package |
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| 20:26.21 | JetJaguarXP | Yes. Ok. Sorry I don't know what the significance of that is. |
| 20:26.50 | Dulak | It means if you install it you get another package, which is libcups2-dev in this case |
| 20:27.51 | JodaZ | how would i only allow access to a port from a specific ip range ? |
| 20:27.55 | JetJaguarXP | If the darn HP installer wasn't compiled I could just read it to see what the heck it is looking for. |
| 20:28.44 | stew | druonysus: is /var mounted readonly for some reason? |
| 20:29.30 | Dulak | JetJaguarXP: and the default drivers won't work for your printer? |
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| 20:29.47 | JetJaguarXP | They don't print in color. |
| 20:30.26 | nkuttler | JetJaguarXP: i assume you mean it's a binary driver? |
| 20:30.28 | stew | JodaZ: "iptables -A INPUT -s 1.2.3.4/29 -p tcp --dport 9999 -j ACCEPT ; iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 9999 -j REJECT" where 1.2.3.4/29 is the accepted ip network and 9999 is the port |
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| 20:30.40 | nkuttler | JetJaguarXP: you can get sources for all debian packages fwiw |
| 20:31.02 | stew | JodaZ: that's, of course assuming tcp. and this is, of course, not persistent across reboots |
| 20:31.05 | kfogel | If I install 'unstable', and then afterwards tweak /etc/apt/sources.list to draw from 'testing' for future updates (instead of from 'unstable'), does that work? I need to install from unstable to get the driver for my eth0 card (Intel 82579LM), but I generally track testing not unstable on my boxes. |
| 20:31.35 | JodaZ | stew, thanks |
| 20:31.54 | Dulak | kfogel: there a reason you don't just grab the source for your driver and build a backport? |
| 20:32.03 | JetJaguarXP | nkuttler No, the installer for the HP software. If it was a script I could just read it to see what cups package it's looking for. |
| 20:32.04 | kfogel | Dulak: just lack the expertise is all. |
| 20:32.06 | nkuttler | kfogel: isn't that driver a kernel thing? |
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| 20:32.20 | stew | kfogel: what is the package from unstable that you want? |
| 20:32.38 | nkuttler | kfogel: generally speaking.. yeah, you can do that.. but you're not really running testing then any more. if that matters |
| 20:32.42 | kfogel | nkuttler, Dulak, stew: pretty much everything I know about this situation is what I learned from http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/08/msg00149.html. |
| 20:33.17 | nkuttler | kfogel: did you try the kmuto installer? |
| 20:33.19 | kfogel | nkuttler, Dulak, stew: I'm creating my boot USB stick using 'unetbootin', and choosing either Debian testing or Debian unstable from the menu. I can do fancier things, but it'll be the first time if I do :-). |
| 20:33.44 | kfogel | nkuttler: well, am thinking of trying that too, but if I can just install from stock Debian unstable and get this thing up and running, and then switch back to tracking testing after that, that would be fine. |
| 20:33.51 | nkuttler | kmuto is supposed to have more recent drivers and still install stable |
| 20:33.51 | JetJaguarXP | nkuttler, there isn't a backport of libcupsys2-dev |
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| 20:34.01 | kfogel | nkuttler: oh, I think I see what you're saying: |
| 20:34.25 | kfogel | nkuttler: use kmuto's, thus getting stable installed, and *then* upgrade to testing by tweaking sources.list and doing a dist-upgrade. |
| 20:34.28 | kfogel | nkuttler: is that it? |
| 20:34.41 | nkuttler | kfogel: why upgrade to testing at all? |
| 20:34.46 | stew | judd: kernels |
| 20:34.48 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.4-1); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.1-1); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 20:34.52 | Dulak | JetJaguarXP: it's a virtual package, libcups2-dev used to be called libcupsys2-dev back in sarge or lenny, and they renamed it at some point, hence it being virtual and not actually existing. |
| 20:35.15 | kfogel | nkuttler: I track testing on my boxes just as a matter of policy. Upgrade pretty much daily; that way I stay up-to-date with the dev environments I need, etc. Been doing that for like a decade now. |
| 20:35.15 | stew | kfogel: you could try a testing installer, it currently has a very similar kernel to sid |
| 20:35.35 | kfogel | stew: testing installer is how I got here -- it's what I tried first, but apparently the kernel there doesn't support this eth card yet. |
| 20:35.43 | nkuttler | well. i still prefer to use the stable installer, even for sid boxes. but sure, give it a try |
| 20:35.50 | Dulak | JetJaguarXP: so that was back in 2008, which means your hp thing is at least that old |
| 20:36.07 | nkuttler | kfogel: isn't it just a matter of shipping firmware? |
| 20:36.17 | stew | the kmuto installers have 2.6.39 currently? |
| 20:36.20 | kfogel | nkuttler: er, not sure what that question means? |
| 20:36.23 | kfogel | stew: yes |
| 20:36.37 | JetJaguarXP | Ohhhhh kay. |
| 20:36.42 | nkuttler | kfogel: why is your card not supported? is there no driver in the kernel or is the firmware missing |
| 20:36.52 | kfogel | nkuttler: there are some non-free firmwares for my wireless, apparently, but that's a separate issue (and an unpleasant surprise, since I bought this machine specifically to avoid that, but anyway wireless is not the issue here) |
| 20:37.29 | kfogel | nkuttler: the issue is that support for this wired eth card is recent, and is not in (apparently) *either* the stable nor testing installers. However, it is reputed to be in unstable. |
| 20:37.39 | nkuttler | :\ |
| 20:37.41 | kfogel | nkuttler: and the issue is that I don't want to be tracking unstable in the long term; I want to be tracking testing |
| 20:38.10 | kfogel | nkuttler: so I'm trying to figure how to get Debian installed, testing distro, but with more recent kernel than this installer has I guess. |
| 20:38.27 | druonysus | stew: /dev/mapper/pve-data on /var/lib/vz type ext3 (rw) |
| 20:38.40 | stew | kfogel: you could build your own testing installer. its not going to be completely simple task though |
| 20:38.41 | druonysus | stew: that is what is in the output of mount |
| 20:38.44 | nkuttler | kfogel: it might be easier to download a full cd, install, get wifi to work, upgrade kernel. just saying |
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| 20:38.53 | nkuttler | in case the wifi is supported |
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| 20:39.20 | stew | kfogel: there aren't really unstable installers if that is what you are thinking |
| 20:39.32 | kfogel | nkuttler: wifi needs non-free drivers so far; it may be that it won't need them once kernel is high enough number though, not sure. I tried to avoid needing non-free drivers when I bought the box, and I recall some pages on the Web saying 2.6.39 or above or something like that supports it out of teh box. |
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| 20:39.56 | jhutchins_lt | !kmuto |
| 20:39.56 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 2.6.39) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/i386/ch04s03 |
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| 20:40.31 | oxy290 | !lol |
| 20:40.32 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 20:40.34 | JodaZ | stew, does the order of those commands matter ? |
| 20:40.36 | kfogel | stew: I guess my route will be to try the stable installer from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/, and then after installation is done, tweak /etc/apt/sources.list to say 'testing' instead, and do update, dist-upgrade. But will that *back*grade my kernel then? |
| 20:40.42 | stew | JodaZ: greatly |
| 20:40.53 | nkuttler | kfogel: no |
| 20:40.55 | stew | kfogel: no |
| 20:41.02 | JodaZ | stew, so how do i add a network after i did the reject command ? |
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| 20:41.33 | stew | kfogel: in general you have to go way out of your way to downgrade a package, and its an operation not guaranteed to exist |
| 20:41.49 | kfogel | nkuttler, stew: thank you, appreciated. (These kinds of questions are a new situation for me; in the past, just installing 'testing' straight has always worked.) I guess I'll try the kmuto installer now, in that case! |
| 20:41.55 | stew | JodaZ: you use an -I with a location instead of -A, check the manpage |
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| 20:42.11 | nkuttler | kfogel: just make sure 2.6.39 supports your card |
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| 20:42.38 | kfogel | nkuttler: there is reason to believe it does, and if it doesn't, I'll soon find out! |
| 20:43.00 | stew | kfogel: which wifi do you have? |
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| 20:43.30 | JetJaguarXP | Well, strangely enough, I didn't need libcupsys2-dev |
| 20:43.33 | stew | kfogel: its good to know that some are still going to be useful without nonfree firmware |
| 20:43.48 | cchandler | Hello, I have an error that say's failed to set xfermode on sata2 and sata3, but after a few it gets to the install screen |
| 20:44.23 | kfogel | stew: I have Intel Centrino Ultimate-N 6300, which is claimed to be supported out of the box with no non-free firmware in kernels 2.6.34 and newer. |
| 20:44.52 | stew | kfogel: but wait, if you already installed testing, does it work there? |
| 20:45.11 | stew | by "it" i mean the wifi? |
| 20:45.18 | kfogel | stew: I haven't installed testing -- I'm in the testing installer right now, and am unable to do a netinstall precisely because I cannot get either my wireless nor wired card to work :-). |
| 20:45.31 | nkuttler | !tell kfogel about installer firmware |
| 20:45.45 | nkuttler | so you could install over wifi |
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| 20:46.39 | kfogel | nkuttler: thanks (got the message from the bot). I'd prefer to install over wired, as faster, if I can; also, less research required, as I've never had to go out and find firmware before and don't know which sources to trust! But I'll do it if I have to. |
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| 20:47.20 | nkuttler | sure. i'm sure you'll find something that works for you |
| 20:47.40 | kfogel | zcat boot-amd64-0808.img.gz > /dev/sdb |
| 20:47.49 | kfogel | nkuttler: ^^ that's the kmuto; we'll see! |
| 20:47.56 | stew | kfogel: hm, but your theory is that we *should* be able to get you on the wireless with the testing installer, right? |
| 20:48.08 | stew | does anyone know if the kmuto images are hybrid isos? |
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| 20:48.30 | kfogel | stew: no, testing installer has kerne 2.6.32-5-amd64, which doesn't yet have the native support for the wireless. |
| 20:48.47 | stew | oh, crazy, i would have expected it to be newer by now |
| 20:48.56 | jhutchins_lt | That's strange. It should at least be .39 |
| 20:49.00 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 20:49.00 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.4-1); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.1-1); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
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| 20:49.02 | stew | kfogel: (the official debian installer isos can go right onto /dev/sdb now, you don't have to do the dance with boot.img.gz...) |
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| 20:50.23 | kfogel | stew: you know, I had a feeling I was doing something obsolete. I can just cat a .iso image into the USB stick (which is large enough) and boot from that, right? |
| 20:50.40 | JodaZ | stew, hmm, seems what i tried didn't work, i wanted to put one port on two ports, and have one of the ports only accessible to certain ip ranges, any idea how i'd do that ? |
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| 20:50.50 | stew | kfogel: yes for the debian images. i'm not sure whether or not kmuto is doing that as well yet |
| 20:50.57 | yiuop | !list |
| 20:50.57 | dpkg | yiuop: e possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero con http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 20:51.14 | kfogel | stew: I would assume he is; will find out in a moment. |
| 20:51.40 | stew | JodaZ: i don't follow, can you show us what you did in a pastebin or something? |
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| 20:52.32 | JodaZ | stew, http://pastebin.com/BdbYsVtw but in hindsight its obvious why it didn't work, since prerouting is evaluated before input |
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| 20:53.12 | stew | JodaZ: you do realze that you need to replace 1.2.3.4/29, right? |
| 20:54.01 | JodaZ | stew, yes, but irregardless i'd want it to be accessible from 45699 without that/those range restriction |
| 20:54.03 | stew | i always have to lookup which chains packets go through in which order... |
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| 20:54.29 | kfogel | stew: hunh; kmuto cdimage was not bootable at all -- the new laptop started booting into Windows :-). |
| 20:54.32 | stew | JodaZ: so you want one network to access the service on one port and everyone else from a different port? |
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| 20:55.22 | stew | kfogel: you know. i'm looking at a .jigdo for testing and it looks like it has linux 3.1.0-1 |
| 20:55.27 | JodaZ | stew, yes |
| 20:55.48 | kfogel | stew: !! That'd be awesome. I have never used jigdo anything, but I could start now... |
| 20:56.01 | kfogel | stew: (.oO goes to google jigdo) |
| 20:56.05 | stew | kfogel: well wait |
| 20:56.18 | JodaZ | stew, well, more than one network possibly |
| 20:56.24 | stew | kfogel: i only downloaded the jigdo to save me from downloading the while image |
| 20:56.36 | stew | kfogel: but it should mean that the iso also has the same kernel |
| 20:57.15 | kfogel | stew: s/while/whole/, right? |
| 20:57.24 | stew | kfogel: yes |
| 20:58.04 | stew | kfogel: i'm guessing you might have downloaded from the wrong place. do you know where you downloaded testing installer from before? |
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| 20:58.20 | kfogel | stew: I can easily download a whole ISO image on this fast connection. What I was going to try next was grabbing the hdmedia boot img again from the kmuto page (since that *does* boot, it just fails the search for an iso image during installation process), then copy the CD ISO image from kmuto onto that filesystem, then try booting from that. |
| 20:58.23 | JodaZ | stew, any idea ? |
| 20:58.29 | kfogel | stew: I used unetbootin |
| 20:58.48 | kfogel | stew: so I don't really know where it came from |
| 21:00.00 | stew | kfogel: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 21:00.09 | kfogel | stew: good idea -- going there now, thank you |
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| 21:01.02 | stew | JodaZ: if you only want to redirect people from a certain network, add the -s 1.2.3.4 to your PREROUTING rule |
| 21:01.07 | kfogel | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/jigdo-cd/ |
| 21:01.12 | kfogel | stew: ^^ trying this way |
| 21:01.28 | stew | kfogel: if you really want to learn how to use jigdo... i think the iso will also work |
| 21:01.51 | kfogel | stew: I see there are 61 CDs in the jigdo templates |
| 21:01.55 | kfogel | stew: trying ISO |
| 21:01.56 | kfogel | :-) |
| 21:02.38 | JodaZ | stew, cool idea |
| 21:03.00 | kfogel | stew: I see 61 CD images in there, though. is the idea that I'm supposed to use every one of those?? |
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| 21:03.38 | stew | kfogel: heck no, i'd say use a netinst, but i dont' see one there, choose one of the CD-1 versions |
| 21:03.49 | stew | kfogel: the others exist for delivering packages to machines that cannot be networked |
| 21:04.03 | stew | (and its probably quite a waste to be doing that for a weekly build) |
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| 21:04.41 | M0TRN_th1 | hi, if I am fed up with Ubuntu and I want to install Debian on my laptop but I want latest versions of libraries and apps, should I install Debian Sid and how unstable will my laptop become from it? |
| 21:04.50 | kfogel | stew: so... it'll just automatically know to finish the rest of the install by using the network? |
| 21:05.04 | jhutchins_lt | M0TRN_th1: No. |
| 21:05.12 | jhutchins_lt | !sid |
| 21:05.12 | dpkg | The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 21:05.38 | M0TRN_th1 | is it very unstable? |
| 21:05.47 | jhutchins_lt | M0TRN_th1: Sid is not intended to be a working release, it's a repository for software that needs to be tested. |
| 21:05.48 | stew | kfogel: 1 cd is more than enough to get a fully working debian. after the install you'll be able to just use apt-get normally |
| 21:05.53 | stew | M0TRN_th1: it changes 4 times every day |
| 21:06.09 | jhutchins_lt | M0TRN_th1: it is intentionally broken on a regular basis. |
| 21:06.13 | M0TRN_th1 | can I install testing and bits of pieces from Sid that I need newer versions of? |
| 21:06.33 | jhutchins_lt | M0TRN_th1: Yes, as long as you don't need a working system. |
| 21:06.37 | stew | M0TRN_th1: why are you fed up with ubuntu? |
| 21:06.39 | kfogel | stew: ahhh, I see. Okay; that should work, especially given http://svn.red-bean.com/repos/kfogel/trunk/bin/new-box-setup.sh |
| 21:06.46 | M0TRN_th1 | stew, in one word, Unity |
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| 21:06.57 | M0TRN_th1 | and music store and whatnot crap |
| 21:06.59 | stew | M0TRN_th1: are you planning on using something other than gnome in debian? |
| 21:07.15 | jhutchins_lt | M0TRN_th1: Why do you think you need the newest versions of packages? |
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| 21:07.17 | M0TRN_th1 | stew, I wanted to try gnome 2.3 that's why I asked about unstable |
| 21:07.29 | stew | M0TRN_th1: then you want debian stable, not testing or unstable |
| 21:07.44 | stew | M0TRN_th1: if you were to use gnome on testing or unstable you are going to be using gnome 3 |
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| 21:08.01 | M0TRN_th1 | jhutchins, well my experiences in the past with debian was that it had ancient libs and stuff I wanted to build couldn't compile without installing tons of backports and libraries from source etc. |
| 21:08.17 | M0TRN_th1 | stew, I meant gnome 3.2 ;) |
| 21:08.34 | M0TRN_th1 | but I think I will install both xfce and gnome |
| 21:08.35 | stew | that's the one that's a lot like unity, right? |
| 21:08.47 | M0TRN_th1 | stew, apparently a lot more configurable |
| 21:09.03 | M0TRN_th1 | unity has 2 config options, "Our way or no way" |
| 21:09.13 | M0TRN_th1 | as it happens "our way" sucks rod |
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| 21:09.35 | kfogel | M0TRN_th1: Debian testing distro went to Gnome 3 shell a month or so ago; it's quite different -- some people like it a lot, others don't, YMMV. I think it's probably pretty good for people who hadn't heavily customized their gnome 2. |
| 21:09.44 | jhutchins_lt | M0TRN_th1: I know we're off-topic here, but can't you install gnome3 on ubuntu? |
| 21:09.59 | M0TRN_th1 | jhutchins, yes but I am also fed up with Canonical as a company |
| 21:10.15 | M0TRN_th1 | and I always liked debian best really and always used it for all my servers |
| 21:10.36 | M0TRN_th1 | it's just that for a desktop system, stable is just too old with libraries etc. |
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| 21:10.52 | Owner | M0TRN_th1| why werent you fed up with them back when the first version came out |
| 21:10.58 | Justin | runs stable on my desktop and my laptop |
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| 21:11.10 | M0TRN_th1 | Owner, because they didn't have commercial music store and all sorts of junk |
| 21:11.23 | Justin | 3 or 4 things from backports and everything runs just fine |
| 21:11.24 | M0TRN_th1 | and they had newer versions than debian ;) |
| 21:11.29 | Owner | M0TRN_th1| i hated it the first time i used it and have hated it ever since....PRAISE ME |
| 21:11.35 | nkuttler | runs testing on all desktops but doesn't support it |
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| 21:11.49 | Owner | how could anyone not see canonical/ubuntu becoming this trash |
| 21:11.50 | babilen | M0TRN_th1: I'd like to point out that some newer versions of some packages are available from http://backports.debian.org and that you can also backport packages yourself if they haven't been backported already. |
| 21:11.53 | M0TRN_th1 | anyway I think I will install testing and see what happens on this laptop |
| 21:12.06 | Owner | didn't you notice that they paid people to plaster Ubuntu all over the internet |
| 21:12.19 | kfogel | stew: "cat debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso > /dev/sdb" ought to make a bootable USB stick, right? |
| 21:12.23 | M0TRN_th1 | babilen, yeah I know but usually when I want to check out this or that new app and I try to build it then on Debian I have to backport 50 libraries by hand whenever it's some gui stuff |
| 21:12.28 | kfogel | stew: (that's from the weekly builds) |
| 21:12.28 | babilen | M0TRN_th1: Use the stable installer -- I would also recommend to install squeeze first and not wheezy. |
| 21:12.30 | M0TRN_th1 | for server stuff it's always fine |
| 21:12.31 | jhutchins_lt | The whole point of Debian Stable is that the software has been around enough for it to be well tested and if necessary patched. |
| 21:12.33 | stew | kfogel: yes |
| 21:12.45 | kfogel | stew: thx |
| 21:12.58 | M0TRN_th1 | babilen, I'll install wheezy and see what happens, I have another netbook and this xchat session runs on my server in a vnc session anyway |
| 21:13.07 | babilen | M0TRN_th1: Use the stable installer |
| 21:13.17 | M0TRN_th1 | babilen, ok |
| 21:13.23 | M0TRN_th1 | can it install wheezy? |
| 21:13.40 | nkuttler | M0TRN_th1: install a working system with everything you need. *then* upgrade to testing if you must |
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| 21:13.42 | kfogel | M0TRN_th1, Owner: FWIW I used to work at Canonical and found them mostly to be trying really hard to make a good distro (yes, including Mark). I have no financial interest in the company now; I just think their marketing makes them look overly slick sometimes and they get a bad rap. |
| 21:13.43 | babilen | yes, but I would still recommend to install squeeze first (minimal) and take it from there. |
| 21:13.50 | jhutchins_lt | M0TRN_th1: In fact, you could install stable and look around, see if it isn't a good enough tool for what you need to do? |
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| 21:14.08 | M0TRN_th1 | jhutchins_lt, it's not my main workstation so I would be willing to risk it |
| 21:14.18 | babilen | M0TRN_th1: (expert mode) |
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| 21:14.39 | Owner | baaaah |
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| 21:14.44 | M0TRN_th1 | I want to try new stuff to see if things continue to get worse (gnome 3 vs gnome 2) or better (gnome 3.2 vs gnome 3) |
| 21:14.45 | ZekeS | Meh, if he's going testing anyways and the installer works, installing testing right off can save a lot of apt-time |
| 21:14.48 | jhutchins_lt | I guess the question is whether the system is a project in and of itself or a tool for getting other work done. It's become much more the latter for me. |
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| 21:15.08 | Owner | anyway, did no one notice how Canonical paid people to promote ubuntu online for like the first 3 years |
| 21:15.25 | nkuttler | Owner: try #debian-offtopic |
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| 21:15.37 | M0TRN_th1 | well Ubuntu had one good thing come out of it, that many more people are using linux now than before |
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| 21:15.54 | nkuttler | we'll see |
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| 21:15.59 | Owner | i hope it dies soon |
| 21:16.00 | stew | lets please try to keep the discussion focussed around helping M0TRN_th1 make an informed decision about what he should install instead of a general discussion about canonical/ubuntu |
| 21:16.07 | M0TRN_th1 | ok |
| 21:16.10 | stew | and keep it generally constructive |
| 21:16.22 | ZekeS | M0TRN_th1: tbh, install testing and if it breaks file a bug report :p |
| 21:16.30 | M0TRN_th1 | so if I have a USB stick which installer do I put on it? if I try the Testing one what's the worst that could happen |
| 21:16.45 | Owner | M0TRN_th1| mint debian, fedora, pclinuxos, anything but ubuntu |
| 21:16.46 | M0TRN_th1 | I know how to do lvm and stuff from command line |
| 21:16.47 | nkuttler | M0TRN_th1: you can't install |
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| 21:17.06 | ZekeS | archlinux, gentoo, slackware ... |
| 21:17.09 | jhutchins_lt | M0TRN_th1: The testing installer is for testing the installer not for installing testing. It often gets out of sync with the actual testing repos. |
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| 21:17.54 | jhutchins_lt | M0TRN_th1: Until testing gets frozen the installer developers don't really know what they're going to be installing, so not a lot of work goes into it until then. |
| 21:18.00 | mhall119 | Owner: unless you have an objective reason why Ubuntu isn't suited for him, maybe you should let him make his own opinions |
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| 21:18.11 | M0TRN_th1 | I just downloaded latest testing busiensscard iso |
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| 21:18.20 | M0TRN_th1 | now im gonna put it on a flash drive |
| 21:18.33 | DammitJim | if I have a cron job that does a simple /bin/ls, it will email it to my account by default |
| 21:18.37 | Owner | mhall119| he already did, he said ubuntu is trash |
| 21:18.38 | DammitJim | when does it do this? |
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| 21:18.57 | mhall119 | DammitJim: any output from a cron command gets emailed |
| 21:18.59 | DammitJim | meaning.... does it always write an email? |
| 21:19.00 | mhall119 | by default |
| 21:19.10 | DammitJim | mhall119, what are you doing in Debian? |
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| 21:19.18 | DammitJim | LOL |
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| 21:19.21 | mhall119 | having an elicit affair, you? |
| 21:19.21 | DammitJim | ok, cool |
| 21:19.26 | DammitJim | same |
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| 21:19.35 | ZekeS | What distro do you two use? |
| 21:19.37 | mhall119 | I won't tell |
| 21:19.46 | ZekeS | lol |
| 21:19.47 | DammitJim | I use Elive |
| 21:19.53 | mhall119 | Ubuntu |
| 21:20.00 | jhutchins_lt | Let's get this back to Debian support, shall we? |
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| 21:20.01 | DammitJim | used to use |
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| 21:20.08 | Owner | if you use Ubuntu, get out |
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| 21:20.18 | kfogel | stew: hunh, this is the second time I've cat'd an ISO image to the USB stick and then tried to boot the new laptop from it, and had it not be bootable (went into Windows instead). Am I missing some step, beyond just "cat foo.iso > /dev/sdb" ? |
| 21:20.18 | DammitJim | thanks jhutchins_lt and thanks mhall119 for the quick response |
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| 21:20.33 | stew | kfogel: that really is supposed to be enough |
| 21:20.42 | mhall119 | Owner: please don't make the rest of the Debian community look as unwelcoming |
| 21:20.51 | DammitJim | stew, thanks for your help earlier |
| 21:21.06 | stew | Owner: you really have to keep you comments in here constructive |
| 21:21.09 | DammitJim | I got it all running |
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| 21:21.19 | stew | Owner: and lets try to focus on debian end-user support |
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| 21:21.25 | jhutchins_lt | kfogel: Are you getting a boot menu or some other way to tell the BIOS to boot from the USB? |
| 21:21.36 | DammitJim | I was just confused with the fact that most tutorials want you to use subversion with apache2 |
| 21:21.43 | Owner | stew| but im filled with hate |
| 21:21.57 | babilen | M0TRN_th1: Seriously: Use the stable installer |
| 21:22.03 | M0TRN_th1 | now I put the testing installer on myUSB stick about to reboot ;) |
| 21:22.04 | stew | Owner: you'll have to learn how to control that in here |
| 21:22.04 | kfogel | jhutchins_lt: good question -- yes, I've already set BIOS to boot from USB and have successfully booted other images from that USB stick today. Just not any of the CD ISO images (I'm using the same USB stick every time, not actually burning any CDs here). |
| 21:22.50 | Owner | stew| it might take me a while |
| 21:22.53 | kfogel | DammitJim: didn't see your orig question, but if it's subversion-related, I'm happy to help if I can (have some knowledge of that package). |
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| 21:23.17 | DammitJim | kfogel, thanks man, I think I got it working with Netbeans just right |
| 21:23.23 | kfogel | DammitJim: glad to hear it. |
| 21:23.23 | M0TRN_th1 | lol syslinux ERROR no configuration found |
| 21:23.26 | DammitJim | but you are now on my blue book list now LOL |
| 21:23.28 | M0TRN_th1 | ok putting Stable installer on the usb stick |
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| 21:23.43 | jhutchins_lt | kfogel: You're using cat to apply the image to the stick, right? |
| 21:23.53 | jhutchins_lt | kfogel: Which images are you trying? Testing? |
| 21:23.55 | kfogel | jhutchins_lt: yes |
| 21:23.59 | stew | M0TRN_th1: how did you put the image onto the usb stick? |
| 21:24.02 | kfogel | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso |
| 21:24.08 | jhutchins_lt | kfogel: Try the stable images. |
| 21:24.15 | stew | jhutchins_lt: he needs testing |
| 21:24.20 | kfogel | jhutchins_lt: and exact command, as root, was: cat debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso > /dev/sdb |
| 21:24.21 | DammitJim | this is interesting... is this a binary cat? |
| 21:24.38 | kfogel | jhutchins_lt: but I'm worried a stable image won't have the network drivers I need (which is how I got here in the first place). |
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| 21:24.48 | ZekeS | I always learned it as dd if=dsjksd.iso of=/dev/yourflashdrive *shrug* |
| 21:24.56 | Owner | cat is the same |
| 21:24.57 | DammitJim | I ended up doing a dd |
| 21:25.00 | kfogel | DammitJim: hmmm, is cat ever not binary? |
| 21:25.00 | M0TRN_th1 | stew, with the usb startup disk creator applet on the ubuntu 10.04 on my netbook |
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| 21:25.16 | DammitJim | kfogel, I don't know why cat seems like text, but I'm probably wrong |
| 21:25.25 | kfogel | ZekeS: heck, I'll try dd just to see, why not? |
| 21:25.27 | jhutchins_lt | kfogel: It would be worth while to try the stable installer and see if it boots. You can mess with kernels/driver or upgrade to testing once you're installed, and I think you can even install testing with the stable installer. |
| 21:25.31 | DammitJim | ZekeS, that's what I've used |
| 21:25.45 | Owner | kfogel| its always binary unless you use one of the arguments |
| 21:25.54 | DammitJim | thanks Owner I didn't know that |
| 21:25.57 | kfogel | jhutchins_lt: oh, right, b/c if I'm using ISO img I don't *need* the network to do the basic install. |
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| 21:26.03 | kfogel | jhutchins_lt: I forgot the order of my needs :-). |
| 21:26.06 | stew | ZekeS: DammitJim: people incorrectly attribute some magic to dd, cp, dd, cat are all just copying bytes from one place to another |
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| 21:26.12 | Owner | like --show-ends on a binary file would probably...make it no very useful binary anymore |
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| 21:26.25 | kfogel | Owner: thanks -- I'd never used that with cat; learn something every day! |
| 21:26.39 | Owner | never used what? |
| 21:26.41 | Owner | man cat ? |
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| 21:26.45 | kfogel | Owner: --show-ends |
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| 21:26.56 | Owner | just do man cat and read them...ive never used it either |
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| 21:27.06 | DammitJim | I thought that dd was more of a lower level "thing." What is that "thing?" I don't know |
| 21:27.16 | ZekeS | dd has a better nickname tbfh |
| 21:27.22 | DammitJim | good day everyone and thanks again |
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| 21:27.30 | Owner | dd can chunk the reads / writes |
| 21:27.46 | ZekeS | Disk Destroyer \o/ ... anyways, back to support |
| 21:27.48 | stew | DammitJim: nah. until you add some options to it to limit what you are copying or to mutate data it is copying, its just copying bytes from one place to another |
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| 21:28.07 | stew | Owner: chunk? |
| 21:28.28 | Owner | blocks? |
| 21:28.34 | Owner | trying not to confuse everyone |
| 21:28.43 | stew | Owner: sure it always copies in blocks, as does cp |
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| 21:28.57 | Owner | you cant tell cp or cat to use 512 byte blocks |
| 21:29.06 | stew | but cp tries to be smart about choosing an efficient blocksize. |
| 21:29.09 | Owner | or 512MB blocks |
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| 21:30.37 | jhutchins_lt | kfogel: Have you looked at the install guid? |
| 21:30.39 | jhutchins_lt | e? |
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| 21:31.02 | jhutchins_lt | kfogel: All this distraction aside, it does recommend cat |
| 21:31.15 | jhutchins_lt | kfogel: You can also use unetbootin - that's what I ended up with. |
| 21:31.22 | M0TRN_th1 | heh, the startup disk creator in ubuntu doesn't work for the debian installer |
| 21:31.25 | M0TRN_th1 | sucky ubuntu |
| 21:31.47 | Justin | yeah, unetbootin is also not needed on the new isohybrid images |
| 21:31.51 | Justin | and it tends to break them anyway |
| 21:32.01 | stew | Justin: do you know if the testing weeklies are hybrid? |
| 21:32.08 | ompaul | M0TRN_th1: cat debian*.iso > /dev/sdwhatsit |
| 21:32.17 | Justin | stew: squeeze was, so I'd imagine anything after that was as well |
| 21:32.18 | Owner | M0TRN_th1| Ubuntu doesnt have any programmers |
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| 21:32.42 | stew | Owner: take a 10 minute break |
| 21:33.01 | stew | Justin: yeah, i had figured, kfogel was just having trouble though |
| 21:33.04 | M0TRN_th1 | ompaul, cool I'll try that |
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| 21:33.34 | jhutchins_lt | iirc I had trouble getting the squeeze images to boot directly. (This was shortly before release.) |
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| 21:35.28 | rougy | Anyone here use google earth |
| 21:36.06 | rougy | use google earth? |
| 21:36.15 | M0TRN_th1 | I hope Testing installer can use wlan |
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| 21:37.00 | M0TRN_th1 | ah ffs it needs some proprietary Broadcom firmware that's not included |
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| 21:37.33 | babilen | !tell M0TRN_th1 -about installer firmware |
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| 21:38.30 | zykotick9 | rougy, what is your "real" question? |
| 21:38.33 | M0TRN_th1 | babilen, thanks but .. after I cat'ed that ISO to the USB stick fine it can boot from it but I can't mount it in my other PC to add that firmware file |
| 21:38.57 | vvor | rougy: yep |
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| 21:39.32 | babilen | M0TRN_th1: You can put it on the second partition |
| 21:40.36 | kfogel | jhutchins_lt, stew: sorry, was on phone. So, I used unetbootin originally, but how to ... oh, wait, I think I remember it had some UI for using a local disk ISO image to create the stick. Let me try that. |
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| 21:41.07 | jhutchins_lt | kfogel: Mine downloaded an installer image from some non-standard repo, but it still worked. |
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| 21:41.17 | kfogel | jhutchins_lt: you were able to specify a URL to it? |
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| 21:41.56 | babilen | M0TRN_th1: See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en#id586496 (footnote [6]) |
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| 21:44.44 | jhutchins_lt | kfogel: I ran it once almost a year ago, I really didn't check out many options. |
| 21:44.45 | M0TRN_th1 | nice it worked with that extra partition on card and copying the firmware file there |
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| 21:44.55 | M0TRN_th1 | and now it connected to my wpa2 wlan without problems |
| 21:44.55 | M0TRN_th1 | nice |
| 21:45.57 | kfogel | jhutchins_lt: ok. I'm exploring it now. |
| 21:47.36 | M0TRN_th1 | hah deleted my ubuntu lvm root and created a new for debian without touching my home lvm |
| 21:47.47 | kfogel | jhutchins_lt: it did have an option to use a local ISO file. doing so now. |
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| 21:51.05 | cemycc | I have a sandybridge i5 CPU and I want to install debian 6.0.3 . My question is, debian will support all of my CPUs ? |
| 21:51.22 | kfogel | jhutchins_lt: hah. My USB stick ran out of space for the ISO -- not because it's small, but because I had last formatted it with a netinst boot.img.gz, so the stick now thinks it's smaller than it actually is. Time to *first* reformat the stick, then redo unetbootin of the CD ISO img onto it. \o/ |
| 21:51.22 | cemycc | because I know that some versions of linux kernels don't support sandy bridge |
| 21:51.53 | kfogel | cemycc: I think I will soon know the answer to your question, as I am installing Debian on a Thinkpad T420s, which IIRC is i5 Sandy Bridge CPUs. |
| 21:52.02 | thewanderer1 | cemycc, the processor part is fully supported, but the graphics will require a kernel and X.org from backports for full functionality |
| 21:52.06 | kfogel | cemycc: and, during the installation process, I did a dmesg command and saw all four CPUs there |
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| 21:52.34 | kfogel | cemycc: (s/CPUs/cores/) |
| 21:53.02 | cemycc | kfogel: Thanks, I will soon install it too |
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| 21:53.30 | cemycc | thewanderer1: can you tell me what I need to install from backports ? |
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| 21:54.33 | thewanderer1 | !tell cemycc about backports |
| 21:55.04 | thewanderer1 | if you mean package names themselves, I'll get them in a sec |
| 21:56.10 | thewanderer1 | linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 xserver-xorg # should be enough |
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| 21:57.13 | cemycc | thewanderer1: great, so I will just need to install this 2 packages and I have the .39 kernel. simple |
| 21:57.50 | l1t | There are many guides for Kerberos/LDAP for debian. Can somebody point me to one that is simple and works please. |
| 21:58.16 | maligor | kerberos/ldap and simple in the same sentence? |
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| 21:58.52 | l1t | It's really that bad? |
| 21:58.56 | maligor | yes |
| 21:58.57 | thewanderer1 | I set up Kerberos and NFS4 some time ago. gave up on LDAP though, saved myself from too much hairloss... |
| 21:59.07 | maligor | ldap isn't that bad |
| 21:59.20 | maligor | but it really isn't simple, and neither is kerberos |
| 22:00.23 | thewanderer1 | l1t, if you are doing this for authentication and central user info, just implement kerberos for PAM, ldap for NSS, and they'll work separately :P |
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| 22:01.10 | exaboy | what are the most important dirs to backup? |
| 22:01.19 | maligor | but if you don't know too much about either and want to setup both, it'll ... take a while |
| 22:01.20 | exaboy | #1 /etc |
| 22:01.24 | maligor | and you'll loose some hair |
| 22:01.48 | thewanderer1 | exaboy, the ones that users would be angry if they went missing ;-) |
| 22:01.54 | nkuttler | exaboy: / is a good start |
| 22:01.56 | exaboy | its a server |
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| 22:02.10 | exaboy | nkuttler: lol true |
| 22:02.30 | l1t | I was thinking about following this guide to do it http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/Kerberos |
| 22:02.33 | exaboy | im using backuppc by default it just does /etc |
| 22:02.42 | nkuttler | exaboy: /var/ /etc/ /home/ come to mind as well |
| 22:02.46 | thewanderer1 | exaboy, backup all dirs and just exclude those that are not interesting i.e. temp filesystems, the backup mount itself etc. |
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| 22:03.08 | abrotman | !what to backup |
| 22:03.09 | dpkg | Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf /var/spool/cron ... |
| 22:03.16 | stew | exaboy: if you are using backuppc, why not just backup everything and tell it to excude things like /dev /sys /proc */cache/* /tmp... |
| 22:03.19 | maligor | l1t, well, the first two commands it mentions 'kinit' and 'klist' are something very useful if you want to do that |
| 22:03.19 | cemycc | the Debian installer can create software-raid partitions and use them ? |
| 22:03.30 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:03.46 | maligor | l1t, kinit does the same thing as a kerberos login |
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| 22:04.12 | CVirus | Why isn't debian-bugs-dist mailing list archived ? |
| 22:04.14 | stew | exaboy: backuppc is smart enough to not copy things more than once, and if you are backing up multiple machines its smart enough to not store the files twice, so I just store everything |
| 22:04.38 | exaboy | stew: thanks, its a single server. |
| 22:04.56 | maligor | l1t, if you manage to get your kerberos setup to get a ticket into klist, you're all clear ;P |
| 22:05.15 | Justin | backuppc is rather pointless if all you have is a single server |
| 22:06.27 | exaboy | Justin: i asked the question in this very channel and everyone waxed lyrical about backuppc |
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| 22:06.59 | thewanderer1 | oh well, use whatever works :) |
| 22:07.05 | maligor | l1t, and I really recommend looking into how ldap works before you do anything with it |
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| 22:07.20 | maligor | l1t, the directory structure is somewhat confusing at first |
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| 22:08.01 | exaboy | !backup |
| 22:08.01 | dpkg | A backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t in the least. Otherwise eons of built-up data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not; either by HD malfunction, intentional evil by crackers, mischievous glak elves invading your system, or large magnets getting out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (optionally with bzip2 at lowest compression). See <things to backup>. |
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| 22:08.48 | exaboy | gotta watch those glak elves! |
| 22:09.37 | frigo | tape system? people still use dat in the real world? |
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| 22:09.50 | exaboy | yup large corporates we work with do. |
| 22:09.54 | Hganavak | Hi guys, I just downloaded the windows installer for Debian, and am about to reboot. I have a question though: As I've already installed Mint in the past using it's windows installer, will installing Debian now cause problems? Should I remove Mint first? |
| 22:10.05 | maligor | I use 720kb floppy disks instead |
| 22:10.08 | frigo | its still used in audio, but its on the decline |
| 22:10.11 | exaboy | they take the duplicates home in a secure container too |
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| 22:10.41 | frigo | i just upload everything to amazon s3 :3 |
| 22:10.58 | exaboy | frigo: what do you use to do that? |
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| 22:11.40 | Justin | exaboy: backuppc is great, but like I said, mostly pointless if you only have one machine |
| 22:11.56 | exaboy | Justin: what would you suggest i do. |
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| 22:12.14 | exaboy | i initially wanted to just rxync everything to a dir and tar it up. |
| 22:12.48 | exaboy | then cron it over to rackspace files |
| 22:12.48 | nkuttler | exaboy: that's not really a backup |
| 22:12.49 | Justin | why would you rsync it and then tar it? just tar it in the first place |
| 22:12.49 | frigo | s3cmd |
| 22:13.02 | nkuttler | unless you store the tars.. |
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| 22:13.14 | nkuttler | but still then backuppc has some advantages |
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| 22:13.57 | Hganavak | Does anyone know if it's okay to use the windows installer for Debian if I'm already dual booting using the Mint windows installer? |
| 22:14.08 | Hganavak | Or will it screw stuff up? |
| 22:14.15 | jhutchins | nkuttler: Does it index file versions or something? |
| 22:14.20 | nkuttler | Hganavak: which installer do you mean? |
| 22:14.45 | exaboy | backuppc is doing the job of taring it up. |
| 22:14.56 | nkuttler | jhutchins: not sure what you mean. files are referenced by some checksum, incremental backups are very fast, built-in restore.. |
| 22:14.56 | Justin | backuppc does not use tar |
| 22:15.00 | jhutchins | Hganavak: Not sure what you mean by windows installer. You can multi-boot to several different linux versions if you set it up right. |
| 22:15.08 | ompaul | Hganavak: use mint to download a debian*.iso of your choice (perhaps the net install) cat debian*.iso > /dev/sdWhateverItIs |
| 22:15.20 | jhutchins | nkuttler: Can I easily find a specific file or specific version of a file? |
| 22:15.20 | Hganavak | I mean. I just downloaded the Debian installer from goodbye-windows.com and am now ready to reboot, but I'm already dual booting with windows and Mint, and I used the Mint4Win installer originally |
| 22:15.41 | exaboy | Justin: in the xfer settings it says it does |
| 22:15.50 | nkuttler | jhutchins: well i've only used the web interface so far regularly |
| 22:16.01 | exaboy | im just logging in now to see how its storing it. |
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| 22:17.18 | kfogel | jhutchins: hunh. My unetbootin is now stuck on the third step: "Installing bootloader" and the message down where the action progress bar is says "installing extlinux to /dev/sdb1" ... it's been 33% complete on that step for a while now. Ever seen anything like this? |
| 22:17.56 | exaboy | ok its just duplicating the files in /localhost/0 1 2 3 etc... |
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| 22:18.23 | kfogel | jhutchins: of course, right after I typed that, it completed. :-| |
| 22:18.24 | Hganavak | ompaul/knuttler: Should I just uninstall Mint? |
| 22:18.58 | nkuttler | Hganavak: why would you? should be no problem to boot any os |
| 22:19.09 | nkuttler | Hganavak: i'd recommend the official installer though |
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| 22:21.16 | exaboy | question: if i made a tar of / and then in the case of losing the entire file system were to restore that would the system be identical? |
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| 22:23.37 | ompaul | exaboy: it would be a snapshot of the system on that day at that time, how were you going to reinstall the machine and create the partitions is the question that catches people, and how do you deal with the changes between your last backup and now |
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| 22:24.16 | josh9 | when i type 'locate firefox' i see a lot of entries in ~/.mozilla and in /opt/firefox. can i safely rm all those folders if i want to get rid of it? |
| 22:24.29 | exaboy | its a VPS so i would simple build it with a fresh version of Debian. then scp the backup file back onto the server and untar :) |
| 22:24.54 | ompaul | exaboy: and you control the vps fully as in from / on the box |
| 22:25.01 | exaboy | yup |
| 22:25.22 | exaboy | the host also provided a control panel from which you can rebuild the server. |
| 22:25.30 | ompaul | exaboy: eh, no that does not work that way. |
| 22:25.35 | jhutchins | josh9:It depends, other things often use /opt/firefox |
| 22:25.41 | nsadmin | josh9, purge the package first |
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| 22:25.54 | nsadmin | then do the locate agan |
| 22:26.11 | exaboy | ompaul: so tar wouldnt get everything i would need? |
| 22:26.11 | josh9 | nsadmin: jhutchins i see nothing in dpkg. i installed it manually from mozilla's website |
| 22:26.39 | exaboy | ultimatly i just want a damn snapshot of the system that i can periodically dump onto rackspace. |
| 22:26.47 | nsadmin | oh, then we probably don't know the answer |
| 22:26.52 | debiantonio | hi all, need help config wammu, but "You don't have permissions for /dev/ttyACM0 device! Maybe you need to be member of dialout group." i try config gammu-config |
| 22:26.56 | jhutchins | josh9: That's too bad, their installer is notorious for flinging files all over the place. |
| 22:27.21 | jhutchins | josh9: Maybe you can read their script and see what it installed, but files in the user directory are going to be created by running the software. |
| 22:27.26 | ompaul | exaboy: you don't have enough control of the box, so here you go, you need to backup your /home /var and /etc rsync will make diffs of backups and keep you happy |
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| 22:27.42 | josh9 | jhutchins: sad ): thanks |
| 22:27.47 | ompaul | exaboy: you don't because you can't just untar on a working o/s lots of stuff like that |
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| 22:28.09 | exaboy | ompaul: understood. thansk for the advice. |
| 22:28.14 | ompaul | exaboy: enjoy |
| 22:28.15 | kfogel | jhutchins, stew, nkuttler: have appreciated your help. I have to run to a dinner appointment; but I will be back here afterwards still slogging away at this. |
| 22:28.40 | nsadmin | ompaul, then how would you go about restoring from a full backup? |
| 22:28.57 | exaboy | nsadmin: i couldnt. |
| 22:29.00 | ompaul | nsadmin: if I had / tarballed live cd and start |
| 22:29.44 | ompaul | nsadmin: but for what he wants in someone elses environment, dump dbs /home /var and /etc and have a plan |
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| 22:30.00 | ompaul | rsync would be a good starting point |
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| 22:31.04 | exaboy | is there not a smart backup solution that looks at the non-standard distro apps and backs them up ? |
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| 22:31.41 | nsadmin | as long as it's in one of your mounted filesystems, you just back each up |
| 22:32.23 | ompaul | exaboy: once you are on a vps you are on non standard |
| 22:32.35 | Justin | exaboy: why are you backing up apps? apps should be reinstalled using whatever method you used to install them in the first place |
| 22:32.35 | ompaul | exaboy: we don't know what they modded for that hardware |
| 22:32.40 | Justin | exaboy: backup your data |
| 22:33.19 | exaboy | i am currently backing up my data, but the things i would lose would be configs which take ages to redo |
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| 22:34.09 | ompaul | exaboy: /etc /var |
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| 22:34.11 | Justin | exaboy: your configurations should be reinstalled using whatever configuration management system you are using |
| 22:34.24 | zykotick9 | after adding some modules and running "update-initramfs -u" would "update-grub" be required to apply the changes? |
| 22:34.32 | exaboy | Justin my configuration management system is VIM :D |
| 22:34.40 | ompaul | and then do a diff between what you go and if yo utake /var/log/dpkg.log you can see what you put in |
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| 22:34.56 | jhutchins | exaboy: So back up the config files. |
| 22:35.15 | jhutchins | exaboy: Most backup programs will accept a list of files and directories to back up. |
| 22:35.37 | jhutchins | exaboy: Very few will make the decision for you./msg dpkg listkeys backup |
| 22:35.48 | derric | I'm trying to use NumPy extenions to python. dselect says I have NumPy installed, although when I try to "import Numeric" at the python command line it says module can not be found. Any ideas as to what is wrong? |
| 22:35.59 | jhutchins | Oops.. 'sposed to be a CR in there. |
| 22:36.29 | jhutchins | !what to backup |
| 22:36.29 | dpkg | Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf /var/spool/cron ... |
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| 22:38.56 | exaboy | ok thanks everyone, i guess there is no easy option other than investing some time into crafting a specific backup plan. |
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| 22:40.21 | M0TRN_th1 | finished installing testing with the testing installer, and everything worked and it booted into X!!! |
| 22:40.35 | M0TRN_th1 | only snag was that I had to reboot with the usb stick in rescue mode and install grub2 manually |
| 22:40.41 | M0TRN_th1 | because I use lvm I guess |
| 22:41.59 | M0TRN_th1 | suddenly everything sucks less !!!!! |
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| 22:42.17 | Dimitri7 | hg |
| 22:43.16 | ZekeS | M0TRN_th1: nice! |
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| 22:54.47 | l1t | maligor: Cool I got kerberos to give me a ticket. Now I just need to decide if I want LDAP or NFS4 right? |
| 22:55.28 | maligor | l1t, ldap is a directory service, nfs4 is a networked filesystem |
| 22:55.53 | maligor | apples and oranges, unless I'm missing something |
| 22:56.56 | l1t | maligor: I thought you could use either one to store user credentials. meh IDK have to read more I guess. |
| 22:57.14 | maligor | I'm not sure how you'd use nfs for credential storage |
| 22:57.35 | maligor | you can use ldap for that, yes |
| 22:57.44 | burd | Trying to install debian on a new blade server. It has an LSI Megaraid SAS mr9240-4i raid controller on it.. the weirdness is it detects the disk at first, then i go to partition it, i get i/o errors and then go back to try again and the installer says the disk isn't there anymore... any help would be greatly appreciated |
| 22:58.55 | maligor | l1t, it'll be a learning experience, I'm sure ;P |
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| 23:00.49 | M0TRN_th1 | I can't say I love Gnome 2 as it comes with Debian but I hate it a lot less than I did when I installed Ubuntu 11.10 and went "WTF SUCK SUCK" on unity |
| 23:01.43 | maligor | M0TRN_th1, such statements are more appropriate for #debian-offtopic |
| 23:02.01 | M0TRN_th1 | well just an initial reaction after installing maligor |
| 23:02.29 | M0TRN_th1 | now how to get wireless network working? |
| 23:02.51 | M0TRN_th1 | it spews "operation not possible due to rf-kill" |
| 23:02.52 | maligor | I imagine you'll need wpa_supplicant the very least |
| 23:03.16 | maligor | 'it' being? |
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| 23:03.30 | M0TRN_th1 | maligor, it copied the settingts I used during install into /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:03.32 | mns | I've got two Debian/Wheezy systems. I can get to www.google.com from the desktop but not from the laptop. using wget I can see that on the laptop it complains about "no route to host" even though its going to the same IP address. It dosen't matter if I use IP address or fqdn. Any ideas why this would be happening ? Happens a lot on my laptop. |
| 23:03.33 | Jef91 | how can I force the removal of a package that is getting an error during it's removal script? |
| 23:03.41 | M0TRN_th1 | and it has brought up the interface but then after logging in on the X session it's down |
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| 23:04.13 | streuner | M0TRN_th1, http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 23:05.06 | M0TRN_th1 | streuner, I think it's all setup just fine, when I type "ifup wlan0" it does the right stuff but when it tries to do stuff it gets that "Operation not possible due to RF-kill" |
| 23:05.12 | M0TRN_th1 | but the kill switch is off |
| 23:06.23 | streuner | Jef91: i guess, thats testing/unstable, anyway, just make the script more verbose and fix the problem |
| 23:07.03 | Jef91 | streuner I can't fix the problem in a chroot setup that doesn't allow it to be fixed |
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| 23:08.58 | Jef91 | where can I edit the post removal scripts at locally? |
| 23:09.06 | Jef91 | I know I've done it before, I just don't remember where they are |
| 23:09.18 | streuner | /var/lib/dpkg/info |
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| 23:12.42 | exaboy | how do i get the version from shell? |
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| 23:13.44 | simonlnu | which version? |
| 23:15.16 | M0TRN_th1 | how can I get rid of that rfkill? |
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| 23:21.43 | joeoshawa | anyone here good with linux sound |
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| 23:22.43 | streuner | define "linux sound" |
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| 23:24.07 | gnarface | joeoshawa: you first need to find out if you're using alsa, oss, arts, pulseaudio, esd or other? |
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| 23:31.08 | derric | Hello? |
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| 23:31.57 | derric | I'm trying to use NumPy in Python and it doesn't work! |
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| 23:36.01 | jhutchins_lt | derchris: #python? |
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| 23:38.30 | jhutchins_lt | derchris: 56 python related channels on freenode, two on oftc.net |
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| 23:39.41 | AndroidBeing | with debian and a raid 5 array of sata disks is it safe to have the disks spin down to save power? |
| 23:41.18 | Reiko2 | with debian and a raid 5 array of sata disks is it safe to have the disks spin down to save power? |
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| 23:47.19 | xand | er |
| 23:47.22 | xand | wtf |
| 23:48.24 | M0TRN_th1 | a bit more manual fiddling to set up debian testing compared to ubuntu but when it's done it's much better |
| 23:49.09 | karsten | AndroidBeing: Should be, though that may have performance impacts on your array, of course. |
| 23:49.32 | karsten | AndroidBeing: ... and depending on array settins, you may not see much in the way of actual power savings. |
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| 23:54.59 | AndroidBeing | karsten: I mainly want them to spin down at night when not much activity is occuring. How would you recommend configuring this? |
| 23:55.22 | AndroidBeing | karsten: can find info online for setting power options but nothing raid specific |
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| 23:57.24 | spal | even I push my "capture" slider down in alsamixer, it rises again automatically. How to stop Debian from sliding it? |
| 23:57.42 | spal | I want to set the capture slider to something low. High capture slider captures a lot of static noise. |
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