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| 00:05.53 | babilen | M0TRN_th1: Not sure if you found it by now, but you want to look into "man rfkill" -- If your computer has a hw kill switch you should make sure that it is in the wifi-enabled state. |
| 00:07.25 | M0TRN_th1 | babilen I found out unfortunately it didn't have rfkill installed !! |
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| 00:07.41 | M0TRN_th1 | so I had to copy the rfkill binary from my server to usb stick and then I got it to work |
| 00:07.58 | M0TRN_th1 | it had 2 rfkill switches for the wlan and whe I pressed the hardware button one would toggle to Kill and the other No Kill |
| 00:08.02 | M0TRN_th1 | but always one was on, pretty lame |
| 00:08.11 | M0TRN_th1 | after running rfkill unlock on both and then reboot, it worked |
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| 00:08.56 | M0TRN_th1 | anyway everything works now it seems |
| 00:09.05 | l1t | When trying to connect to my kerberos server I get this error:Server not found in Kerberos database |
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| 00:13.14 | babilen | M0TRN_th1: Great, just wanted to mention it as you might not have been aware of it. |
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| 00:14.25 | M0TRN_th1 | babilen, yes thanks, I knew about it but I think it should be installed by default |
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| 00:26.03 | ian811 | hello |
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| 00:28.42 | ner0x | Anyone here have a xen machine, debian host. |
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| 00:31.07 | ws2k3 | how do i call 1u cpu fans? |
| 00:31.18 | ws2k3 | how do i find them to buy? |
| 00:35.11 | tabakhase | recommends for "host eth0 internet, eth0.20 vlan" bride to another machine over internet, so vpn? |
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| 00:50.38 | technologov | # eject |
| 00:50.51 | technologov | # eject -t (inserts it back) |
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| 00:53.07 | Matias_ | Hello |
| 00:53.54 | Matias_ | I'm having problems to import a plain text file because it says the file doesn't have UTF8 chars. my editor says it does! but if I do $ file myFile it says it's ASCII text |
| 00:53.58 | Matias_ | any idea? |
| 00:54.21 | M0TRN_th1 | Matias_, what are you trying to import it into? |
| 00:54.33 | Matias_ | a CSV file in postgresql |
| 00:55.38 | Matias_ | I did $ iconv -f ascii -t utf-8 Primaria.csv > 2.csv |
| 00:55.51 | Matias_ | but file still says it's ascii! |
| 00:56.33 | Matias_ | anyone knows why? |
| 00:57.37 | stew | Matias_: i would use something like "-f latin1" instead |
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| 00:57.48 | stew | Matias_: then check the md5sums of both files to see if any are different |
| 00:58.07 | Garbee | Anyone know a good resource for figuring out how to install grub using grub-installer in busybox? |
| 00:58.24 | Matias_ | exactly the same stew :| |
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| 00:59.28 | druonysus | does anyone know if proxmox ve supports qemu virtualizarion? |
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| 01:06.12 | acu | druonysus: what exactly do you want to do ? |
| 01:06.50 | druonysus | acu: I have hardwre that does not support intel vt |
| 01:07.15 | druonysus | there is an issue we ran into with some loopback mounts on openVZ containers |
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| 01:08.13 | druonysus | acu: so I am looking into if qemu needs the intel vt stuff and running our virtual systems on that |
| 01:09.02 | karsten | druonysus: No, it doesn't, though AFAIK it's a lot faster if you've got HW VX support. |
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| 01:10.46 | druonysus | karsten: I know but I dont have any funds for new hardware so I am looking into using qemu... speed is not a HUGE issue too |
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| 01:26.26 | druonysus | does anyone happen to know if you can use qemu with proxmox ve? |
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| 01:31.05 | karsten | druonysus: |
| 01:31.23 | karsten | Sorry, lag. |
| 01:31.25 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.26 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.42 | karsten | ... and wrong !@#$^&*() paste buffer. |
| 01:32.32 | karsten | druonysus: qemu will run just fine without HW support. There's some kernel optimizations which help w/o VX. Try it. It's bog-simple to install and run, which is among the things I like about it. |
| 01:33.03 | karsten | Other alternatives include virtualbox (which may have better performance) or KVM (kernel virtual machines). I ahven't messed with those. |
| 01:33.33 | druonysus | karsten: but do you know if qemu will work on proxmox? |
| 01:33.37 | karsten | druonysus: It's either performant enough for you or not, but that's for you to decide. |
| 01:34.23 | mns | I've got two Debian/Wheezy systems. I can get to www.google.com from the desktop but not from the laptop. using wget I can see that on the laptop it complains about "no route to host" even though its going to the same IP address. It dosen't matter if I use IP address or fqdn. Any ideas why this would be happening ? Happens a lot on my laptop. |
| 01:35.32 | Blue1 | mns: well you can't have 2 computers on the same network with the same ip address. so who is doing ip address assignment? is it static, or dynamic? |
| 01:36.33 | druonysus | karsten: we want to have the web-console managment that proxmox provides and also, proxmox also allows easy clustering of nodes. |
| 01:37.36 | mns | Blue1: the desktop is doing the IP assignment. It has a DHCP server on it. The computers have different IP addresses. No computer or mobile device is getting a duplicate IP. I've already checked that. |
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| 01:38.17 | randylw | mns: I'm guessing this isn't specific to google.com, can they ping each other? |
| 01:38.42 | Blue1 | randylw: that was my next question |
| 01:39.45 | Blue1 | mns: firewalls sometimes get in the way. |
| 01:40.05 | Blue1 | mns: might want to look at /etc/resolv.conf to see how dns is being handled. |
| 01:40.14 | randylw | mns: if they can ping each other but the laptop can't get outside of the network, the problem is that it has no gateway configured |
| 01:40.53 | randylw | the desktop should be telling the laptop (DHCP) to use your router, whatever it is, as default gateway, but it might be misconfigured to list itself as the gateway instead |
| 01:41.03 | mns | randylw: Blue1: they can ping each other. from the laptop I can get to yahoo.com, bing.com, bbc.co.uk, etc. the laptop has no firewall on it. it is google.com sites that I am unable to access from the laptop. All other sites I go to, are fine. I can access google.com from my wheezy desktop and my android phone. |
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| 01:41.22 | randylw | ok, scratch that, that's not the typical "no route to host" situation |
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| 01:41.59 | Blue1 | mns: I'd still look at /etc/resolv.conf and see how the dns resolution is set up. |
| 01:42.01 | randylw | do /sbin/route and see if there's anything weird in the routing table, typically you'll only see two entries |
| 01:42.53 | mns | randylw: there are two entries for the route, the default route (for network 0.0.0.0) and for my internal network (192.168.70.0) |
| 01:43.01 | randylw | yeah, that's normal |
| 01:43.09 | mns | randylw: exactly. |
| 01:44.00 | mns | and dns resolution is fine. it resolves the damned names just fine. its that I cant get to google.com even if I use the IP address. |
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| 01:45.43 | Blue1 | mns: and you have tried pinging google.com or doing a trace route? |
| 01:46.20 | mns | I thought it was the wifi, since the laptop and android are on wifi, but that's not the case. I can get to finance.google.com just fine with the android device, but not with the laptop. |
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| 01:46.53 | randylw | do you get the same IP(s) when you do a dns lookup for google.com from both computers? |
| 01:46.55 | mns | Blue1: yes I've tried pinging google.com and doing a traceroute. It works from the desktop, it does not work from the laptop. |
| 01:47.11 | hikenboot | well i installed debian testing and on first boot it drops to grub menu...anyone got a doc on what to do to fix it? |
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| 01:47.22 | mns | randylw: yes I get the same IPs and when I tried using IPs directly, I made sure to use the same one on both. |
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| 01:47.42 | hikenboot | running raid1(system) and raid 10(data) freebsd kernel |
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| 01:47.59 | randylw | that is thoroughly strange. "no route to host" is supposed to have only one rather clear meaning. |
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| 01:48.06 | mns | hikenboot: from the grub menu it should automatically load up the default setup. |
| 01:48.12 | Blue1 | randylw: indeed |
| 01:48.23 | hikenboot | it doesnt load it drops to grub prompt |
| 01:48.39 | hikenboot | not the menu |
| 01:48.55 | hikenboot | it wanted to use UFS file system for boot partition |
| 01:48.56 | mns | randylw: yeah that's what I thought too. but it doesn't in this case. the weird thing is that its random. sometimes it happens, sometimes it does not. but its always google specific. earlier today it was also specific to duckduckgo.com |
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| 01:50.09 | mns | randylw: I wanted to believe Comcast was being evil, but since it works from the desktop, and the android and the windows systems, I can't blame them damnit ! |
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| 01:50.24 | hikenboot | anyone? |
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| 01:50.39 | randylw | mns: have you tried turning it off and on again? [running out of ideas] |
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| 01:51.24 | mns | randylw: That does fix it, but I have way too many things running for me to do that. |
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| 01:52.16 | gnarface | mns: the problem is likely one of those things |
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| 01:53.08 | hikenboot | trying something be back |
| 01:53.10 | technologov | hello, I wrote personal story of "Why I like Debian Stable ?" |
| 01:53.23 | technologov | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=73210&p=407105#p407105 |
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| 01:54.17 | mns | gnarface: I agree, but it doesn't seem to be at the moment. I've tried clearing out the arp cache as well. that has not helped either. for some reason I can't get it cleared using arp -d. |
| 01:54.35 | technologov | enjoy reading ! |
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| 01:54.44 | Blue1 | okay back realife (tm) |
| 01:55.01 | mns | welcome back Blue1 |
| 01:58.33 | gnarface | mns: some strange behavior there... |
| 02:01.04 | mns | gnarface: very strange. If I do a traceroute to 72.14.204.104 (www.google.com) from my desktop I get to it in 11 hops. If I do it from my laptop I get the following: 1 mns-debian.local (192.168.70.106) 8.651 ms !H 8.638 ms !H 8.621 ms !H |
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| 02:02.51 | mns | I get the same 11 hops if I do it from my android phone as well. |
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| 02:04.21 | mns | I can get to gmail.com, plus.google.com, news.google.com. I just can't get to www.google.com and finance.google.com |
| 02:06.01 | kuznetzvo | use nslookup |
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| 02:06.14 | cesurasean | Is there any gpxe boot mirrors for debian lenny that actually work |
| 02:06.35 | cesurasean | they all seem to be broken.... |
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| 02:08.12 | mns | kuznetzvo: how is that going to help ? nslookup gives me the correct information. as does dig. but I have "no route to the host" issues on my laptop, yet I can access google from the android device and my desktop just fine. |
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| 02:08.47 | kuznetzvo | no route to host.. have you checkied your routing table ? |
| 02:09.34 | mns | kuznetzvo: routing table has been checked, arp has been checked, dns has been checked. I can ping from my laptop to my desktop and the gateway. |
| 02:10.02 | mns | I can ping from the desktop to the laptop |
| 02:10.28 | kuznetzvo | it sounds like what my last colleague would call "time to reboot that router tonight to run the patch. yep. that's jit just running a patch...." |
| 02:10.45 | burd | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.01 | mns | I can get to any other site from the laptop. I just can't get to www.google.com or finance.google.com. |
| 02:11.32 | cesurasean | hello? help with gpxe? |
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| 02:11.52 | mns | burd: there is no 12th hop. just 11 hops. |
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| 02:12.35 | kuznetzvo | on windows or debian.. debian I assume |
| 02:13.13 | kuznetzvo | name resolution doesn't always use dns first in some cases. how it would get there i have no clue.. but that could be it. remotely. probably possible. |
| 02:13.52 | mns | my laptop is debian/wheezy. so is the desktop/server. and I've got an android phone. android phone and laptop are on wifi, going through the same AP. All three are on the same network 192.168.70.0/24 |
| 02:14.13 | mns | kuznetzvo: it resolves to the same IP address that the desktop and android device. |
| 02:14.31 | kuznetzvo | at this point |
| 02:14.35 | kuznetzvo | well probably long before this point |
| 02:14.43 | kuznetzvo | we should have looked at packet captures |
| 02:14.55 | kuznetzvo | bring it all up and the pattern will be obvious |
| 02:16.28 | mns | hmmmm |
| 02:16.44 | mns | ok lets give that a shot. I got wireshark installed. |
| 02:16.58 | kuznetzvo | how many nodes in your network |
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| 02:17.36 | NiveusLuna | what's the preferred pastebin tool here? |
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| 02:17.57 | kuznetzvo | you gotta start 'em all really quickly, try several times to get to what you can and what you can't.. then wait a bit.. stop the capture on all nodes, and you've got it when you compare it in wireshark |
| 02:18.27 | kuznetzvo | that will show you what's probably going on |
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| 02:18.52 | kuznetzvo | if the answer isn't there, you may have to resort to making an insurance claim from "fire damage" |
| 02:18.58 | zykotick9 | NiveusLuna, one site option is http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 02:19.50 | NiveusLuna | zykotick9: i was hoping for an equivalent to fedora's fpaste package. such a wonderful tool... |
| 02:20.22 | zykotick9 | NiveusLuna, i'm not familiar with fpaste is it a cli pasting app? |
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| 02:21.45 | NiveusLuna | zykotick9: yes, it is. always pastes to fpaste.org, can be used to pastebin files or stdin. |
| 02:22.09 | zykotick9 | NiveusLuna, check out "pastebinit - command-line pastebin client" |
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| 02:22.24 | NiveusLuna | *nod* thanks |
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| 02:35.09 | cesurasean | which mirror has debian lenny on it and has ALL files? |
| 02:35.20 | cesurasean | seems most are broken |
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| 02:39.37 | SupaYoshiLaptop | heyy anyone know how to make a cronjob to backup to ftp? |
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| 02:41.34 | stew | cesurasean: any official mirror should |
| 02:41.36 | SupaYoshiLaptop | i need a bash script that backs up tp ftp i think :D |
| 02:42.05 | stew | SupaYoshiLaptop: ncftpput is a scriptable ftp client |
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| 02:44.00 | SupaYoshiLaptop | stew: :) thnx can i cronjob it? :D |
| 02:44.25 | SupaYoshiLaptop | + is it like common? / good support updates |
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| 02:45.11 | stew | SupaYoshiLaptop: you can write a script and run the script from a cronjob |
| 02:45.17 | cesurasean | stew, most mirrors are failing |
| 02:45.17 | stew | yes it is common |
| 02:45.24 | stew | cesurasean: give me an example |
| 02:45.39 | cesurasean | i can get it to download if i switch between kernel.org, and mit, but then it wont work because of a signature? |
| 02:45.50 | cesurasean | some components fail to download |
| 02:46.02 | cesurasean | so i switch to the other mirror, it grabs it |
| 02:46.09 | cesurasean | partitions drive, then when going to base, |
| 02:46.15 | cesurasean | it says wrong signature or some shit |
| 02:46.24 | cesurasean | i guess because i am mixxing repos? |
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| 02:46.34 | stew | SupaYoshiLaptop: i doubt it gets many updates, ftp is a protocol from the 70s, its not like a lot of new things are coming up with ftp |
| 02:46.57 | stew | cesurasean: can you give me specific example? |
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| 02:47.49 | cesurasean | excuse me? |
| 02:47.53 | kuznetzvo | nobody uses ftp anymore? |
| 02:48.07 | cesurasean | it wont download from kernel.org! |
| 02:48.12 | cesurasean | have they removed lenny? |
| 02:48.14 | stew | cesurasean: what is "it"? |
| 02:48.21 | cesurasean | gpxe |
| 02:48.26 | stew | kuznetzvo: it would be better if that were the case |
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| 02:48.33 | stew | cesurasean: what is the url? |
| 02:48.43 | cesurasean | boot.mit.edu |
| 02:48.46 | kuznetzvo | i use it over implicit ftp over tls |
| 02:49.40 | cesurasean | anyone know of a good debian lenny mirror with all files on it? |
| 02:49.53 | stew | cesurasean: any official mirror sould have lenny and all the files |
| 02:50.00 | stew | cesurasean: at least until february |
| 02:50.11 | cesurasean | they don't though. |
| 02:50.21 | stew | cesurasean: can you give me a specific example? |
| 02:50.29 | cesurasean | kernel.org |
| 02:50.41 | stew | ... |
| 02:50.48 | stew | cesurasean: what is the url? |
| 02:50.56 | cesurasean | ill have to check |
| 02:50.56 | stew | that you are having trouble downloading? |
| 02:51.11 | cesurasean | us.debian.org doesnt work either |
| 02:51.29 | somiaj | Are kernel.org's mirrors back up? That could be the issue with that mirror, and its ftp.us.debian.org |
| 02:51.47 | stew | cesurasean: i don't believe either of those hosts have debian mirrors on them, try again |
| 02:52.21 | stew | !mirrors |
| 02:52.21 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 02:58.26 | cesurasean | stew, i tried to manually use http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/, and it says the release file is wrong or some crap |
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| 02:59.30 | stew | that's an odd error message |
| 03:00.23 | cesurasean | lol |
| 03:00.27 | stew | apt-get: ERROR downloading Release file, the release file is wrong or some crap |
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| 03:00.54 | acu_ | stew: you are the man, when I will be rich I will shed some of my wealth to you - awesome job - I think you are among most helpful people I know on this channel L) |
| 03:01.19 | acu_ | I think you are almost24/7 helping people here - good job |
| 03:01.34 | stew | :) |
| 03:02.55 | neoice | can someone explain what cron.daily/apt does? it looks like it can read a bunch of config values to do auto-updates and such, but it also looks ike it has a variety of cleanup tasks? |
| 03:03.33 | acu_ | I am really impressed more by people like you, than almost anyone I see in the media, all selfish useless pricks posing as trendsetters and humankind saviors - beyond the cruel truth that we are all replacable piston rods - contributing to open source is the most awesome thing people can do :) |
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| 03:08.08 | cesurasean | stew, mdadm-udeb, or udev is what's failing........ it downloaded everything from a dutch repo until then.... |
| 03:08.29 | cesurasean | and if i find a mirror that has mdadm-udeb, it'll just fail because of the signature key |
| 03:10.12 | kfogel | I'm trying to dist-upgrade a newly-installed system from stable to testing. I tweaked /etc/apt/sources.list in the obvious way (s/squeeze/testing/, mainly) and did 'aptitude update' and then 'aptitude dist-upgrade'. The latter did a bunch of work but then failed with a horrendously complex dependency chain error. Now if I try dist-upgrade again, it wants to resolve conflict by removing zillions of key packages (like gnome, things like th |
| 03:10.13 | kfogel | at). What is a way through this mess? |
| 03:10.22 | kfogel | stew: as you can see, much progress! :-) |
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| 03:13.04 | stew | kfogel: try just safe-upgrade first |
| 03:13.10 | stew | kfogel: which will get a lot out of the way |
| 03:13.16 | kfogel | stew: duh. dunno why I didn't think of that; thank you. |
| 03:13.34 | stew | kfogel: then do full upgrade (btw we are calling them safe-upgrade and full-upgrade instead of upgrade and dist-upgrade now) |
| 03:13.57 | kfogel | stew: whoa: "Unable to resolve dependencies for the upgrade; no solution found." It suggests re-running with --full-resolver; I'll try that. |
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| 03:14.14 | stew | kfogel: and if you still have problems, use apt-get, actually for the recent lenny->squeeze upgrade the official recommendation was apt-get instead of aptitude |
| 03:14.24 | stew | kfogel: aptitude can be too smart for its own good sometimes |
| 03:14.40 | stew | kfogel: glad you are making progress though :) |
| 03:14.54 | kfogel | stew: didn't know that -- someone else recommended aptitude as the best way these days, but I guess the situation is more complicated than that! |
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| 03:16.58 | stew | kfogel: aptitude had been the recommendation for moving from one release to another for the last several release, squeeze was the first to recommend apt-get in a while, because of the type of problem you are having now, where aptitude spends hours overthinking it |
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| 03:17.59 | kfogel | stew: well, no aptitude way worked, so I tried apt-get dist-upgrade (since apt-get has no "safe-upgrade"), and it couldn't work but it suggested trying "apt-get -f install". So I try that, and it is proposing to remove 15 packages as part of a much larger upgrade... but one of the pkgs to remove is "gnome". That worries me.... |
| 03:19.04 | twiggz | this macbook pro really needs something other than osx on it |
| 03:19.10 | stew | kfogel: with apt-get i'd recommend upgrade before dist-upgrade |
| 03:19.16 | twiggz | core i7, 4gb ram |
| 03:19.22 | kfogel | stew: oh I did upgrade yeah |
| 03:19.28 | twiggz | its legit , 1600 dollar machine.. |
| 03:19.32 | twiggz | but osx is ass |
| 03:19.33 | kfogel | stew: oh, wait, no, I maen "update". I didn't try upgrade. Okay, trying. |
| 03:19.36 | twiggz | a fat whore |
| 03:20.39 | kfogel | stew: fails, suggests trying "-f upgrade", so I do and it still proposes to remove "gnome". I'm beginning to think maybe "gnome" is just a wrapper package that's now obsolete or something... Googling to find out. |
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| 03:21.15 | stew | kfogel: if just "apt-get -f install" wants to do anything, I'd let it do that first |
| 03:21.18 | totem | why linuxmint is so rock than debian or ubuntu? |
| 03:21.27 | cesurasean | stew, what do you think i should do? |
| 03:21.33 | cesurasean | can't seem to get debian on this machine. |
| 03:21.38 | kfogel | stew: no, "apt-get -f install" wanted the same thing |
| 03:21.50 | stew | kfogel: want to pastebin it? |
| 03:21.59 | cesurasean | i tried netherlands mirrors, and i have to switch between both just to download all the files needed |
| 03:22.02 | cesurasean | for some reason |
| 03:22.12 | kfogel | stew: let me see if I can -- it's waaaaay more than a screenful, and I don't have Emacs or anything here to do shell capture, so may take a sec. |
| 03:22.17 | cesurasean | mdadm-udeb, and the kernel itself. |
| 03:22.58 | stew | kfogel: "apt-get -f install 2>&1 | tee somefile" and then you can upload the file to paste.debian.net? |
| 03:23.16 | stew | cesurasean: give us the actual errors you are getting |
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| 03:23.37 | cesurasean | says can't download mdadm-udeb |
| 03:23.46 | cesurasean | then i switch to another mirror, and it downloads it |
| 03:23.47 | cesurasean | lol |
| 03:24.05 | stew | cesurasean: what url? what is the error? |
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| 03:24.21 | cesurasean | i can't print the error. it says CANNOT DOWNLOAD FILES. |
| 03:24.31 | cesurasean | network issues, yadda yadda |
| 03:24.59 | cesurasean | but when i switch mirrors, it downloads the mdadm.udeb just fine |
| 03:25.01 | kfogel | stew: http://paste.debian.net/147888 (I did it manually this time, but I think I've got the important parts there) |
| 03:25.02 | cesurasean | then stops on the kernel |
| 03:25.19 | cesurasean | then i switch back to the original repo, and have to download the kernel from there |
| 03:25.27 | cesurasean | then when i go to install base it says signature problems |
| 03:25.34 | cesurasean | big red screen :( |
| 03:25.52 | cesurasean | I may just try to use ubuntu on the gpxe and hope it works. lol |
| 03:25.58 | cesurasean | i would hate to not have apt-get. |
| 03:26.21 | stew | kfogel: yeah, those look like a bunch of obsolete packages, i'd let it go |
| 03:26.35 | stew | kfogel: obsolete meaning in squeeze but not in wheezy |
| 03:26.42 | stew | judd: version totem-coherence |
| 03:26.43 | judd | Package: totem-coherence on i386 -- squeeze: 2.30.2-6 |
| 03:27.04 | stew | kfogel: well, "gnome" is not, but you should be able to reinstall that if you want the full gnome after the upgrade |
| 03:27.20 | kfogel | stew: that's what I was thinking of doing. Yeah, I'm going to go with it. |
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| 03:27.31 | kfogel | stew: it's really a reminder of what a complex problem dependency resolution really is. |
| 03:27.38 | kfogel | stew: programmatically I mean |
| 03:27.47 | stew | kfogel: i have to tuck mrs. stew in for the night. i'll bbiab |
| 03:27.50 | stew | indeed |
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| 03:28.20 | kfogel | stew: wow -- person who's volunteering his help explaining that he'll be away but will be back! |
| 03:28.29 | kfogel | bows gratefully in stew's general direction |
| 03:28.41 | stew | kfogel: as is the "britney problem", i was asked at some point to prove that the britney problem was np complete :) |
| 03:29.02 | hikenboot | operation not allowed during write while partitioning disks on netinstall in gui mode anyone know why? |
| 03:29.04 | stew | kfogel: you've helped me out tons in the past, at least indirectly, i'm happy to repay it :) |
| 03:29.11 | kfogel | stew: I have?? |
| 03:29.24 | stew | kfogel: you book has :) |
| 03:30.16 | kfogel | stew: *blush* Well, consider your royalties paid up and then some :-). |
| 03:31.09 | stew | kfogel: actually i was on a "open source developers" panel here local recently and another guy recommended your "Producing Open Source Software" book to everyone |
| 03:31.22 | stew | kfogel: i was happy to say "hey, i met that guy in a bar once!" |
| 03:31.25 | stew | any, bbl |
| 03:31.29 | cesurasean | this is bullshit. |
| 03:31.38 | cesurasean | why would someone make gpxe which doesnt even work with lenny |
| 03:31.41 | cesurasean | or is lenny so old? |
| 03:31.51 | cesurasean | damned gpxe needs to update to squeeze! lol |
| 03:31.55 | cesurasean | im trying ubuntu now... |
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| 03:33.18 | kfogel | stew: (see you when you're back) I sure hope I bought you a drink! |
| 03:33.40 | cesurasean | so, there is a squeeze floppy? LOL |
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| 03:39.20 | cesurasean | the link of http://ftp.belnet.be/packages/damnsmalllinux/current/bootusb-0.8-img on debian.org is 404 |
| 03:39.33 | cesurasean | why does debian link to damn small linux? |
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| 03:40.46 | cesurasean | ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/bf2.4 - is 404 as well.... |
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| 03:49.29 | lfs | Is tar a good command for making a backup of a Debian system? |
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| 03:52.54 | st3fann | HHI |
| 03:53.00 | st3fann | how do I restart sshd? |
| 03:53.01 | Black | Lfs you can use it.. Tar was standard archiver for almost linux distro |
| 03:53.05 | st3fann | /etc/init.d/sshd restart this is not working |
| 03:53.26 | hikenboot | st3fann: make sure sshd is installed |
| 03:53.41 | st3fann | hikenboot: lol, yeah it is |
| 03:53.56 | st3fann | hikenboot: I am sshing into the server right now, I would hope its installed |
| 03:53.58 | Black | St3fann,use openssh-server,or just ssh |
| 03:54.16 | st3fann | -bash: openssh-server: command not found |
| 03:54.20 | hikenboot | ok cause i was banging my head against the wall the other day with centos and it turned out ssh isnt installed by default |
| 03:55.38 | st3fann | hikenboot: eww centos :3 |
| 03:55.46 | st3fann | and why not just get a colo, or a dedi |
| 03:55.53 | st3fann | they have everything preinstalled <3 |
| 03:57.37 | hikenboot | whats colo ...colocation and dedi? not sure what you mean |
| 03:57.45 | Black | St3fann,verify that ssh server installed |
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| 03:58.04 | st3fann | Black: it is installed. |
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| 03:58.46 | lfs | So I use the command tar cf BackupFile \ |
| 03:58.59 | st3fann | brb |
| 03:58.59 | lfs | ? |
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| 04:10.31 | DarkJustice | Oops, that was for Nvidia GeForce 6200 |
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| 04:15.45 | dimauro5 | <@ dpkg @>· |
| 04:15.48 | dimauro5 | sorry |
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| 04:25.08 | rypervenche | ,versions lmms |
| 04:25.10 | judd | Package: lmms on i386 -- lenny: 0.3.2-1; squeeze: 0.4.7-2; sid: 0.4.10-2 |
| 04:25.18 | rypervenche | Still no wheezy :( |
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| 04:27.06 | BertoX | Hi |
| 04:27.53 | BertoX | is it possible to setup a raid 0 (mdadm) on my system disk when the Os is already installed please ? |
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| 04:33.45 | dimauro5 | <@ BertoX @>· I think raid 0 is streaping, which would require to use the complete drive as a md device, that would lead to data lose. |
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| 04:34.33 | BertoX | dimauro5, Soory I meant raid 1 (mirror) |
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| 04:34.48 | BertoX | I just found a working procedure in my own language |
| 04:34.52 | BertoX | so yes it is possible |
| 04:34.55 | BertoX | thank you :) |
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| 04:35.53 | dimauro5 | Yeah it is :) |
| 04:35.58 | dimauro5 | no problem! |
| 04:36.17 | dimauro5 | you are welcome. |
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| 05:02.34 | Hganavak | Is there no way to install Debian w/o partitioning your hard drive or using a VM? Like Mint4Win or Ubuntu's windows installer that just stores files on windows? |
| 05:04.44 | berserkr | why do you need that? |
| 05:05.22 | berserkr | install it on a virtual machine. is the best way for test |
| 05:06.08 | Hganavak | I'm hopping from distro to distro at the moment, trying stuff out. This way I don't have to worry about screwing stuff up or having to keep repartitioning my hdd |
| 05:07.14 | Hganavak | VM's oftentimes result in certain hardware limitations that this sort of install doesn't cause. So Debian doesn't have this sort of install? |
| 05:07.53 | berserkr | i think not |
| 05:08.15 | stew | Hganavak: you can install debian in colinux |
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| 05:09.24 | berserkr | Hganavak: i'm at a debian on a amd64, and i have 3 virtual machines of debian with VirtualBox and I don't have any hardware limitation or another problem.. |
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| 05:11.04 | berserkr | colinux is too new to provide a good experience I think |
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| 05:11.53 | stew | it works well for a coworker of mine |
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| 05:12.07 | stew | i didn't know it was that new |
| 05:12.33 | stew | its 7 years old? |
| 05:12.54 | berserkr | yes, with 7 years is only a child |
| 05:12.56 | berserkr | heheh |
| 05:13.16 | berserkr | and in this case is similar than a VM |
| 05:13.22 | berserkr | no? |
| 05:13.54 | stew | no |
| 05:14.01 | stew | it runs natively |
| 05:15.06 | berserkr | ahm. anyway I prefer a vm |
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| 05:16.39 | myself | berserk: vm don't recognize hardware videocard, how do you use it fully? |
| 05:17.11 | stew | my debian recognizes my hardware videocard, but I have no idea how i would use it fully anyway |
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| 05:17.13 | Timewarper | Do all usb flash sticks use wear-leveling? |
| 05:17.14 | lfs | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:18.33 | Hganavak | If I partition my drive, then decide I don't want to use Debian anymore, does my windows partition lose access permanently to that new partition? |
| 05:19.07 | lfs | no |
| 05:20.28 | Hganavak | No? How would I go about 'uninstalling' it and allowing windows to access said disk space again? |
| 05:20.52 | yagoo | Hganavak, use gpart live cd, delete the linux partitions and then resize ntfs |
| 05:21.24 | yagoo | Hganavak, always backup your data as well before doing anything with partition management of course |
| 05:21.28 | flower | just delete the partition (of debian) and set the ntldr new, Hganavak |
| 05:22.16 | yagoo | Hganavak, oh ya that too.. before you do management, you can simply boot in windows and try to tell it to install boot1 mbr bootcode.. |
| 05:22.20 | lfs | Can't windows see all ntfs partitions? |
| 05:22.32 | yagoo | Hganavak, otherwise you'd have to bootup a windows rescue cd to write the mbr bootcode |
| 05:23.39 | flower | fixmbr duz that, yagoo |
| 05:24.38 | flower | but y leaving debian, Hganavak? |
| 05:24.48 | yagoo | flower, depends what edition windows he's uzzing |
| 05:25.01 | flower | yes, of coz |
| 05:25.37 | yagoo | Hganavak, i recommend the free parakgon rescue kit.. it's free (50 megs) and fixes windows bootloading issues.. use it to fix the mbr simple as that.. |
| 05:25.56 | yagoo | ,/paragon /parakgon |
| 05:26.02 | lfs | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:26.04 | berserkr | i'm going to sleep. good night for all |
| 05:26.16 | flower | gd nite |
| 05:26.33 | myself | berserk: do your vm recognize hardware video card? which vm do u run? |
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| 05:33.58 | lfs | How about tar cf LennyBU /dev/sda1 |
| 05:34.12 | lfs | What will that do? |
| 05:35.25 | yagoo | lfs, don't bother and don't do anything at that level if you're new to doing it |
| 05:39.05 | somiaj | lfs: problem with that is you don't really want to backup tmpfs mount points (or maybe you have /home on another drive/partition and back up it differnetally) |
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| 05:39.40 | somiaj | lfs: be more selective of which directories you want to back up. note things like /dev /sys /proc are all memory filesystems. |
| 05:41.19 | BertoX | I want to mirror my system disk using mdadm. I am reading a doc that do mirroring per partition. What is the interest in doing that ? why not mirror the whole disk ? |
| 05:43.15 | kuznetzvo | after running hardware diagnostics on an amd64 machine with a mobo i just baked at 385f.. i'm doing a netinst amd64 install just to see for myself that it can function ok |
| 05:43.19 | kuznetzvo | would you do anything different? |
| 05:43.23 | yagoo | BertoX, basic mirroring is raid1.. you can use software raid for raid1.. i don't have the full instructions but there's good guides out there |
| 05:43.42 | yagoo | BertoX, mdadm is what people use for software raid |
| 05:43.53 | BertoX | yagoo, yes I know that |
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| 05:44.23 | yagoo | BertoX, you don't um mirror the disk, you have to set a partition of raid type... |
| 05:45.03 | yagoo | BertoX, and then on the other drive you set a raid type partition.. then you set those two raid partitions to a single array |
| 05:45.06 | BertoX | but in some docs I the procedure is too create partitions on the disk itself (raid autodetect), then create the raid device on the partitions ? |
| 05:45.45 | yagoo | BertoX, some docs say to have multiple raid partitions on 1 drive. i think that's unnec as it's easier to make 1 raid partition type then make the filesystems within |
| 05:46.08 | BertoX | exactly |
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| 05:46.26 | BertoX | 1 raid partition then differents fs inside |
| 05:46.39 | yagoo | BertoX, yah.. |
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| 05:46.59 | BertoX | So what is the benefit to use one or the other ? |
| 05:47.12 | yagoo | BertoX, then your partitions would be like.. /dev/md0p0 /dev/md0p1 .. something like this for the "internal" filesystems |
| 05:47.31 | yagoo | BertoX, preference i guess.. for more complex setups i guess.. |
| 05:47.59 | BertoX | md0, md1 yes |
| 05:48.06 | yagoo | BertoX, and you would of course be using UUID for the filesystems.. |
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| 05:48.10 | BertoX | In fact I am trying to do raid on the system disk |
| 05:48.21 | BertoX | maybe there are some restrictions with a system disk ? |
| 05:48.35 | BertoX | hmm |
| 05:48.50 | BertoX | I have never been convicted by UUID for disks ... |
| 05:49.06 | cnz | anyone know a good tutorial link on how to setup a NAS running debian as the OS |
| 05:49.06 | yagoo | BertoX, well if you use internal filesystems, you'll be using something like /dev/md0p1 .. |
| 05:49.28 | yagoo | BertoX, it's flexible.. use whatever way you're comfortable with.. |
| 05:49.32 | BertoX | /dev/md0 on my ubuntu |
| 05:49.49 | yagoo | BertoX, so where's swap? |
| 05:50.07 | BertoX | ho |
| 05:50.07 | yagoo | BertoX, you can't have /dev/md0p1 because there's no partition table |
| 05:50.24 | yagoo | BertoX, so you'll have to use /dev/md1 for swap.. |
| 05:50.24 | BertoX | on this raid (my computer), only one fs |
| 05:50.43 | yagoo | you'll need to make another array |
| 05:50.49 | BertoX | no |
| 05:50.56 | BertoX | /dev/md0 is on my on computer |
| 05:50.57 | yagoo | BertoX, or.. |
| 05:51.09 | yagoo | BertoX, you can use a swapfile instead of a swap partition |
| 05:51.09 | BertoX | the raid 1 am trying to setup is on a remote debian server |
| 05:51.16 | lfs | Is tar cf LennyBU /dev/sda1 dangerous? |
| 05:51.17 | BertoX | and it is system disk |
| 05:51.36 | yagoo | lfs, don't bother.. |
| 05:51.38 | lfs | I really want everything. |
| 05:51.47 | BertoX | using dd ? |
| 05:51.57 | yagoo | lfs, read what people told you about this earlier.. just dont do it.. you're new at it.. and it's much more complex than this.. |
| 05:52.12 | lfs | I'm not all that new to it |
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| 05:52.18 | yagoo | lfs, yes you are.. |
| 05:52.34 | lfs | I never ran that command before. |
| 05:52.52 | yagoo | BertoX, using dd will truncate the last bytes.. |
| 05:53.11 | yagoo | BertoX, you'll have to pass a param to it to prevent truncation of the device |
| 05:53.32 | yagoo | lfs, so you're not new and you never ran that command before.. |
| 05:54.05 | cnz | can you setup raid with different size hard drives |
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| 05:54.08 | BertoX | yagoo, I finally understood why the doc for raid 1 on system disk are using partitions |
| 05:54.11 | BertoX | :) |
| 05:54.12 | cnz | or do all had drives have to be the same size? |
| 05:54.35 | lfs | I never ran tar cf FILE /dev/sda1 |
| 05:54.39 | BertoX | to not mirror the swap so they can use 2 swap part |
| 05:54.45 | stew | cnz: any size block device (can be partition or hard drive or other) but it will be as if all are the size of the smallest |
| 05:55.02 | lfs | I'm a little scared to run it. |
| 05:55.05 | yagoo | BertoX, you can use swap in raid.. i have.. |
| 05:55.13 | BertoX | yes |
| 05:55.20 | BertoX | but considered useless |
| 05:55.31 | yagoo | BertoX, if you have no room for a swap partition.. you can get away with it by using a swap file instead.. |
| 05:55.42 | cnz | stew, so if I have a 500gig and a 1TB they would all be partitioned into 500gigs? |
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| 05:55.51 | yagoo | BertoX, no it isn't.. not useless.. it's good .. |
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| 05:56.10 | BertoX | There's no reason to use RAID for swap performance reasons |
| 05:56.22 | BertoX | according to several docs |
| 05:56.25 | stew | cnz: paritioned isn't the right word. |
| 05:56.39 | cnz | oh i was going off with what you said :/ |
| 05:56.46 | yagoo | BertoX, well raid1 isn't for performance.. you'll be using more drives for performance.. so dunno what you're chasing |
| 05:56.49 | BertoX | cnz, depend on which raid |
| 05:57.10 | stew | cnz: if you try to make a raid array out of 5 1tb devices and one 250mb device, it would be as if you made a raid array out of 6 250mb devices |
| 05:57.11 | BertoX | yes I agree |
| 05:57.48 | cnz | stew, oh so you would actually be losing space? |
| 05:58.00 | stew | yes |
| 05:58.17 | yagoo | cnz, i believe you can use raid0 and make a crazy mix setup so that you're not restricted to using 250mg partitions |
| 05:58.35 | yagoo | (you can mix raid levels) |
| 05:58.37 | stew | cnz: so you might as well partition the block devices so that all the partitions are equal size |
| 05:59.19 | cnz | ok so I have a 500gig and a 1tb what would be the best raid option to use? |
| 05:59.23 | lfs | tar cf /dev/sda1 FILE -> will this ruin the disk? |
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| 05:59.52 | yagoo | lfs, yes. and that's not the right way to do it.. you're missing aplenty of things on that command |
| 06:00.24 | yagoo | things lfs should ask Nick Burns |
| 06:00.32 | stew | cnz: make a 500 gig partition on each device so you have two 500 gig partitions and make a raid 1 array out of the two (which would be a raid array with 500g usable space) |
| 06:01.12 | cnz | stew, cool thanks, Im looking at settping up a NAS and thinking about running raid |
| 06:01.54 | cnz | haven't decided if I wanted to run slackware or debian though for the OS. |
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| 06:03.37 | yagoo | cnz, I have an idea. try debian. |
| 06:03.49 | cnz | lol yagoo |
| 06:03.56 | cnz | I run debian on all my dservers |
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| 06:04.10 | yagoo | cnz, try it again with raid setup. it supports raid setup on installation. |
| 06:04.19 | yagoo | (latest installer i know does) |
| 06:04.20 | cnz | yagoo nice |
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| 06:04.30 | cnz | wheezy or squeeze |
| 06:04.31 | yagoo | cnz, no really.. i did one a few weeks ago.. |
| 06:04.57 | cnz | so is it a good idea to setup raid if running a NAS? |
| 06:05.01 | yagoo | cnz, dunno.. you have to use a nickel and flip it |
| 06:05.36 | cnz | yahoo, you said latest installer and I was asking wheezy or squeeze for latest installer |
| 06:05.51 | yagoo | cnz, i would only say beta if you're testing.. |
| 06:05.58 | cnz | oh ok |
| 06:06.52 | stew | cnz: are you asking which installer supports raid at install time? |
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| 06:07.03 | cnz | stew, yes |
| 06:07.09 | stew | cnz: any, its not new |
| 06:07.20 | cnz | aahh ok, cool |
| 06:07.55 | yagoo | stew, well you do have to consider there are bugs.. I only say what i've tried.. and i used the latest and knows it works with pretty much no hiccups (raid1) |
| 06:08.01 | yagoo | :) |
| 06:08.24 | yagoo | I still say latest! :) |
| 06:09.09 | stew | yagoo: define latest? |
| 06:09.19 | stew | he should be using stable |
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| 06:09.37 | yagoo | to cnz he knows i don't mean beta/testing.. (already spoken) |
| 06:10.10 | cnz | yagoo, ,that's whatw I was tr ying to figure out if you meant latest as int beta/testing or latest as in stable |
| 06:10.19 | BertoX | hmm |
| 06:10.29 | BertoX | does someone knows about that please ? |
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| 06:10.31 | BertoX | mdadm: Note: this array has metadata at the start and |
| 06:10.58 | yagoo | BertoX, ya there's a command to --zero it out.. |
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| 06:12.07 | yagoo | BertoX, mdadm --help |
| 06:12.10 | yagoo | (should be there) |
| 06:12.31 | yagoo | (--zero-superblock) |
| 06:12.52 | BertoX | hmm |
| 06:12.54 | BertoX | --metadata=0.9 |
| 06:13.01 | BertoX | as it will be the boot partition ? |
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| 06:13.27 | kuznetzvo | so installing debian as a test os on the machine i baked after hard diagnotics passed was a wise move? |
| 06:13.55 | yagoo | BertoX, if you don't have that partition assigned to any array and are recreating an array, you'll need to reset that metadata so that it can be used in a new array |
| 06:14.35 | yagoo | kuznetzvo, did you use dangerous hdparm commands? that can explain it.. |
| 06:14.42 | BertoX | mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sdb1 |
| 06:14.47 | kuznetzvo | no |
| 06:14.50 | BertoX | I already did it |
| 06:14.57 | kuznetzvo | i literally baked the motherboard in the oven |
| 06:15.01 | kuznetzvo | because i had no more leads troubleshooting it |
| 06:15.18 | kuznetzvo | "extraordinary measures" were required. hence baking it in the oven. |
| 06:15.20 | yagoo | BertoX, dunno about your setup.. you'll have to um really try to research it a bit more before trying.. (practice/review the procedures-- use a planning outline) |
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| 06:15.30 | yagoo | BertoX, raid takes planning.. |
| 06:15.36 | BertoX | lol |
| 06:15.41 | BertoX | this server has nothing on it |
| 06:15.45 | BertoX | fresh install |
| 06:15.52 | yagoo | BertoX, hey.. i'm trying to help you.. ya.. i know.. raid is complex.. |
| 06:15.53 | BertoX | so I can play on it |
| 06:15.58 | kuznetzvo | it passes basic tests and booted on the first try. memory, hdd, cpu, mobo etc. i think debian is a good way to simulate real use |
| 06:16.01 | kuznetzvo | by using.. real use |
| 06:16.02 | BertoX | that is why |
| 06:16.08 | BertoX | I would not do that on production :) |
| 06:16.13 | yagoo | BertoX, you still have to know how to bring up an array back to health too if the powercable is yanked.. |
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| 06:16.22 | Timewarper | is this the info (ouput of lsusb -v) of my usb flash drive? or the controller of the pc? http://pastebin.com/wZi5eptq |
| 06:16.35 | BertoX | sure |
| 06:17.45 | yagoo | BertoX, it's best to follow a guide, and practice the mdadm commands, peruse /proc/mdstat, practice how to automate sending an email if something goes bad.. |
| 06:17.55 | yagoo | BertoX, that kind of stuff.. |
| 06:18.54 | BertoX | that is am trying to :) |
| 06:18.56 | BertoX | playing with |
| 06:19.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i got a strange problem where my cifs/samba share are being mounted twice.. |
| 06:19.23 | yagoo | BertoX, then follow that guide.. sounds liek you're still trying to build your array |
| 06:19.26 | kuznetzvo | anyone ever use debian for diagnosing bizarre motherboard issues .. or at least pinpointing the general area of problems..? |
| 06:19.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | and they are only mentioned once in fstab. and i just rebooted.. |
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| 06:21.51 | ectospasm | kuznetzvo: I've used mprime in Debian to stress test my Debian machines |
| 06:22.14 | kuznetzvo | googling |
| 06:23.25 | kuznetzvo | cool. i'll try 'er out |
| 06:23.38 | kuznetzvo | see if using artic silver instead of that shitty foam heatsink pad |
| 06:23.42 | kuznetzvo | made a difference |
| 06:23.45 | ectospasm | mprime blend test is good for testing the CPU/RAM combo. I've had a bad memory controller on a machine, and that test caused it to hard lock after about 12min of the test. |
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| 06:24.00 | kuznetzvo | nice |
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| 06:24.39 | Timewarper | http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=linux+get+USB+stick+infos&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
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| 06:24.52 | ectospasm | actually, when I get a new machine, I run mprime on it for as long as feasible. If it goes a week without crashing, hard locking, or erroring, I consider the machine to pass. |
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| 06:27.44 | Guest34430 | hello everyone |
| 06:28.45 | ix_ | hello |
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| 06:32.14 | spersaud | what are good illustrator like apps for linux ? |
| 06:32.22 | spersaud | inkscape is not powerful enough |
| 06:32.29 | spersaud | anything else available ? |
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| 06:34.05 | Guest34430 | inkscape |
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| 06:34.57 | Guest34430 | liberoffice |
| 06:35.23 | Black | Libre |
| 06:35.51 | Guest34430 | thanks |
| 06:36.04 | yagoo | says http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_software_categories, google list of "software" site:wikipedia.org |
| 06:36.05 | Guest34430 | your right |
| 06:36.24 | simonlnu | "you're" ;) |
| 06:36.42 | nvz | no grammar for you! |
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| 06:37.17 | simonlnu | think 'your' as in "that thing is yours"; you're as in 'you are' |
| 06:37.43 | Guest34430 | thanks |
| 06:37.47 | simonlnu | in soviet russia, grammar uses you |
| 06:38.01 | simonlnu | np |
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| 06:38.27 | chalcedony | thought the tv watched you |
| 06:38.43 | chalcedony | are you watching the phil k. dick biography? |
| 06:38.52 | simonlnu | that's true everywhere now |
| 06:39.02 | chalcedony | shudder |
| 06:39.28 | simonlnu | doesn't watch teevee any more |
| 06:40.08 | chalcedony | i'm trying to use the non-gui drive set up dialogue, it's saying: The debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1). Check /var/log/syslog or see virtual console 4 for details. |
| 06:40.26 | simonlnu | did you? |
| 06:40.29 | chalcedony | how can i do that from the live cd dialogue? |
| 06:40.40 | kuznetzvo | ectospasm: thank you |
| 06:40.52 | simonlnu | vt 2 and 3 have shells available |
| 06:41.05 | chalcedony | choices are <go back> <continue> |
| 06:41.18 | simonlnu | oh, live cd... you might still have them |
| 06:41.34 | simonlnu | change vt.. alt-f2, -f3 etc |
| 06:41.44 | chalcedony | hmm trying alt |
| 06:42.06 | chalcedony | heh please press enter to activate this console |
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| 06:42.14 | fr0ggie | Worked initially with Tyrell, now with Nick. Awaiting alarm test from monitoring service. |
| 06:42.18 | fr0ggie | Materials will be 78 foot cat5e plenum @ 0.28$/ft, total 21.84$. |
| 06:42.20 | fr0ggie | Will advise when alarm and CC are tested, before leaving. |
| 06:42.20 | simonlnu | do it, and you'll get a shell |
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| 06:42.23 | fr0ggie | acck. |
| 06:42.29 | fr0ggie | whats a decent on screen keyboard for use in debian on a 10.1" touch screen? |
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| 06:42.53 | simonlnu | gnome has some app, orca i think. kde too. |
| 06:43.14 | simonlnu | there's one or 2 others too |
| 06:44.19 | chalcedony | hmm, it doesn't have vi or less. |
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| 06:44.37 | simonlnu | vim-tiny or nano iirc |
| 06:44.48 | simonlnu | more is there |
| 06:44.57 | chalcedony | ah has nano |
| 06:45.05 | fr0ggie | anything more standalone? ive got gtk but no gnome or anything, its a tablet |
| 06:45.25 | simonlnu | dunno, apt-cache search for it |
| 06:46.19 | chalcedony | i don't know how to share this error? could it have pastebinit? |
| 06:46.56 | simonlnu | that it doesn't, but i'm not sure. you can always fetch the deb ;p |
| 06:47.29 | chalcedony | i don't know how to do that? |
| 06:47.52 | simonlnu | using wget or such |
| 06:48.38 | chalcedony | Error: No handler for region [SACS] (f702a758) [PCI_Con$ |
| 06:49.13 | simonlnu | *shrug* |
| 06:49.15 | chalcedony | i have a bunch of lines.. wonder if it can see my lan card |
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| 06:49.52 | simonlnu | check vt4. there's a syslogd running and outputting to there |
| 06:50.11 | chalcedony | ok how (forgive i don't know this) |
| 06:50.59 | simonlnu | again, alt-fX X is the terminal number... |
| 06:51.27 | simonlnu | you need to think more independently ;) |
| 06:51.52 | simonlnu | not a criticism, just encouragement |
| 06:53.33 | simonlnu | there's probably an ftp client there, you can use that to fetch the deb for pastebinit if so. |
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| 06:55.35 | cnz | is the default file server that it gives youthe option to install on install, will that work good enough for a NAS |
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| 06:58.07 | cnz | anyone? |
| 06:58.45 | kuznetzvo | your question makes me trip out |
| 06:58.55 | kuznetzvo | i do however not represent debian in any form |
| 06:59.12 | yagoo | cnz, if the installer can work with repositories, yes it can |
| 06:59.13 | kuznetzvo | but i think your answer is yes |
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| 07:00.14 | j4jack | Hi everyone |
| 07:00.30 | j4jack | any idea how can I route 192.168.1.0/24 network to 172.21.1.0/24? |
| 07:01.03 | j4jack | there's a default gw (192.168.1.1) provides internet. |
| 07:01.37 | nvz | j4jack: you probably need to install something simple like firestarter |
| 07:01.51 | nvz | has a simple wizard to do internet connection sharing |
| 07:01.57 | yagoo | j4jack, 192.168.1.1 can't be on the wan interface.. you'll need your public ip on the wan interface |
| 07:02.16 | cnz | yagoo, what's the default file server that debain installs if you choose it to install during the software selection menu of the installer? |
| 07:02.25 | kuznetzvo | 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0 172.21.1.1? |
| 07:02.26 | j4jack | nvz: no way, It's server |
| 07:02.41 | yagoo | cnz, file server? well you can use sftp under ssh.. ssh can be a file server.. |
| 07:02.49 | nvz | well whatever it was just a suggestion, then learn to use iptables |
| 07:02.56 | j4jack | yagoo: that's what my local router gave to me. |
| 07:03.00 | cnz | yagoo, I guess I didn't ask my question clear enough |
| 07:03.30 | cnz | in the software selection menu it asks if you want to install a file server, so my question is if I choose that option, what file server software does it install |
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| 07:04.08 | kuznetzvo | no wait |
| 07:04.15 | yagoo | j4jack, you need a NAT gateway setup.. if you have 2 lan networks, then the minimum # interfaces on the router should be 3. 1 for each lan network, and 1 for the internet ip# (which is the wan) |
| 07:04.16 | kuznetzvo | that's not a supernet is it |
| 07:04.20 | kuznetzvo | yeah, i read that way wrong |
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| 07:04.48 | cnz | yahoo Im setting up a NAS not no ftp file server |
| 07:04.53 | kuznetzvo | you'd need an interface to 172.21.1.1 (or dot whatever) that was on 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 07:05.19 | yagoo | cnz, you mean SAN or NAS ? |
| 07:05.24 | kuznetzvo | so like.. 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.1.254[arbitrary] |
| 07:05.27 | yagoo | cnz, this a fiber optic cable? |
| 07:05.33 | kuznetzvo | am i close? |
| 07:05.48 | cnz | yagoo, NAS for my internal network |
| 07:06.41 | yagoo | cnz, don't use double negative, you sound crazy.. "not no" mouhahaha.. I have no idea what you're asking about.. you asked about a "file server" |
| 07:07.04 | kuznetzvo | someone tell me if my answers just didn't make sense. i don't want to continue to spout nonsense |
| 07:07.07 | yagoo | cnz, i'm guessing that file server might either be ssh or ftp |
| 07:08.24 | cnz | yagoo, yeah after I thought about it I answered my own question |
| 07:08.34 | yagoo | j4jack, kuznetzvo, you two at the same place? sounds like you're one body with two heads.. |
| 07:09.01 | j4jack | yagoo: why not! :D |
| 07:09.07 | kuznetzvo | i'm american? |
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| 07:09.12 | yagoo | cnz, you're trying to implement a webpage file service? |
| 07:09.23 | cnz | no |
| 07:09.25 | j4jack | yagoo: I'm from Iran (middle east). way far heads! |
| 07:09.47 | yagoo | no it sounds like you two are setting up the exact same network type.. |
| 07:09.52 | kuznetzvo | hey i know a lot about nuclear technology |
| 07:09.57 | yagoo | quite a coincidence i must say.. |
| 07:09.58 | kuznetzvo | i've been unemployed 3 years now. can you get me a job |
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| 07:10.26 | cnz | yagoo, just a simple NAS for all my files |
| 07:10.41 | cnz | so i can access them through all my pc's and what not through my lan |
| 07:10.49 | cnz | and not have to transfer files around |
| 07:11.18 | yagoo | cnz, uh.. so make your choice.. it'll be smb or nfs.. |
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| 07:13.31 | cnz | yagoo, what if I want to run smbnfs |
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| 07:14.33 | kuznetzvo | thorium 232 in the presence of neutron radiation will transmutate into uranium 233, which is a fissible isotope.. |
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| 07:15.40 | j4jack | http://pastebin.com/FPLCruaB |
| 07:15.52 | yagoo | cnz, well for your purpose.. smb or nfs is better than ftp or sftp |
| 07:15.53 | j4jack | that's my network |
| 07:16.07 | yagoo | cnz, ftp and sftp are not really designed as network mountpoints |
| 07:16.19 | cnz | I know yagoo |
| 07:16.28 | yagoo | cnz, so you know. now go do it. |
| 07:16.28 | cnz | I guess my statement just flew over your head :/ |
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| 07:16.39 | yagoo | cnz, you sound 12.. how old are you? |
| 07:16.51 | cnz | I'm 12 |
| 07:16.59 | yagoo | cnz, then stick with the plan. |
| 07:17.11 | yagoo | cnz, you have to do alot of work in setting it up server and client.. |
| 07:17.24 | cnz | a lot* |
| 07:17.28 | j4jack | yagoo: got any plan for me? I'm 25... |
| 07:17.32 | j4jack | :) |
| 07:18.01 | yagoo | j4jack, lol.. ya.. i told ya.. (it's 1 interface per lan.. you'll need to use something to configure a NAT on the router) |
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| 07:18.25 | j4jack | yagoo: it's supposed to be an internet server |
| 07:18.33 | yagoo | j4jack, thing is there's quite a few solutions to implement this.. the most professional is to use iptables |
| 07:19.04 | yagoo | !nat |
| 07:19.04 | dpkg | Network Address Translation (NAT) modifies IP address information in packet headers during transit across a router. IP masquerading is a form of NAT. Install the <iptables> package, then read http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ and http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/ for more information. Related Debian packages include <arno-iptables-firewall>, <ferm>, iptables-persistent. |
| 07:19.28 | j4jack | yagoo: i did all that masquerade and other stuff |
| 07:19.30 | yagoo | says to google "nat debian wiki" |
| 07:19.55 | j4jack | still can't ping 172.21.1.100 from the machine |
| 07:20.07 | j4jack | sounds weird |
| 07:20.19 | yagoo | j4jack, the subnet mask has to be the same for everything on the particular network |
| 07:20.23 | j4jack | NAT can be used to routing? |
| 07:20.48 | yagoo | j4jack, it's a synonym for ip-masquerade |
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| 07:21.29 | j4jack | yagoo: I don't know if i'm making myself clear. it's my senario, http://pastebin.com/FPLCruaB |
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| 07:23.49 | j4jack | far as google told me, I need a route from 172.21.1.x to 192.168.1.x and vice versa |
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| 07:24.04 | j4jack | wondering how can I do that |
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| 07:24.37 | yagoo | j4jack, is that the output on the router? |
| 07:25.04 | j4jack | yagoo: no it's output of my linux machine, it supposed to work like a router |
| 07:25.29 | yagoo | j4jack, which machine has the wan interface? |
| 07:25.33 | j4jack | it should provide internet for all clients connecting to eth1 |
| 07:25.53 | yagoo | j4jack, don't use the word "it". |
| 07:25.55 | j4jack | yagoo: eth0 connects to a wimax modem. |
| 07:26.29 | j4jack | removes "it"... |
| 07:26.42 | yagoo | j4jack, the two lan interfaces have to be static. |
| 07:27.09 | yagoo | j4jack, you have 1 wan gateway, and 2 lan gateways |
| 07:27.33 | yagoo | j4jack, the 2 lan gateways are the interface ip#'s for their respective clients |
| 07:27.52 | j4jack | yagoo: no, I have just 2 interfaces. eth0 and eth1 |
| 07:28.20 | j4jack | yagoo: eth0 is connected to wimax modem and gots internet from the wimax modem |
| 07:28.30 | j4jack | gets* |
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| 07:28.40 | yagoo | j4jack, as i said which machine has the WAN interface. |
| 07:28.51 | yagoo | j4jack, so it's your modem that has the WAN interface.. |
| 07:29.04 | j4jack | yagoo: yes! that's the modem :) |
| 07:29.24 | yagoo | j4jack, uh.. huh.. so it may not work at all.. |
| 07:29.35 | yagoo | j4jack, it would depend on the modemrouter.. |
| 07:30.18 | j4jack | yagoo: why is that? the modem provides internet..I just want to share it |
| 07:30.25 | yagoo | j4jack, why not just use 1 lan ? |
| 07:31.01 | j4jack | yagoo: it's an internet sharing server. |
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| 07:31.14 | valdyn | j4jack: you cant say "no default gateway for eth1" |
| 07:31.42 | valdyn | j4jack: thats nonsense. A default gateway is something you have only once per computer, not once per interface. |
| 07:32.02 | yagoo | j4jack, um.. i dont see the purpose of your setup.. maybe you want to have that linux server simply as a bridge.. |
| 07:32.11 | yagoo | j4jack, so that you can simply have 1 lan.. |
| 07:32.12 | j4jack | valdyn: sorry I didnt' know that |
| 07:32.36 | j4jack | we need monitoring |
| 07:33.06 | j4jack | users activities on the internet should be monitored. |
| 07:33.09 | yagoo | valdyn, for the respective clients it's 1 gateway yes.. |
| 07:33.35 | yagoo | but i see no purpose of his setup.. he should simply just use 1 bridge, and 1 lan |
| 07:33.48 | valdyn | j4jack: you can use monitoring as a sales pitch. But if you want help you need to tell us what you really want *technically* , not in in marketing speak |
| 07:34.30 | j4jack | valdyn: okay, I want to share my internet on a group of clients |
| 07:34.47 | j4jack | I have a linux box with 2 nic |
| 07:35.03 | j4jack | a wimax modem |
| 07:35.20 | j4jack | valdyn: is that clear? |
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| 07:35.45 | yagoo | j4jack, we can't tell |
| 07:35.52 | valdyn | j4jack: its not much useful information |
| 07:35.53 | yagoo | j4jack, your want interface is on that modem.. |
| 07:36.07 | valdyn | j4jack: but its clear information |
| 07:36.39 | sickgut | i would like to implement single click .deb install, im running jwm window manager and roxfiler |
| 07:36.41 | sickgut | with xorg |
| 07:36.55 | yagoo | ,/wan interface/() |
| 07:37.06 | yagoo | your wan interface is on neither you been talking about.. |
| 07:37.09 | sickgut | is there a way to initiate dpkg --install when i click on a .deb? |
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| 07:37.48 | yagoo | is screaming 28 degrees cels. |
| 07:37.50 | j4jack | valdyn: what kind of information should I provide? I don't know what should I say? |
| 07:38.05 | yagoo | j4jack, i already told you.. 1 lan, 1 bridge.. |
| 07:38.28 | j4jack | yagoo: and I can monitor that? |
| 07:38.29 | valdyn | j4jack: ideally we get a clear picture ( drawing ) with each box and cable and their ip adresses |
| 07:39.01 | j4jack | valdyn: I love drawing.. gimme a sec. |
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| 07:39.49 | yagoo | valdyn, i been questioning his setup.. his wan is on his modem.. |
| 07:40.24 | valdyn | j4jack: google "lan diagram" : that gives great examples |
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| 07:41.29 | yagoo | valdyn, he's trying to masuerade eth0 (eth=192.168.x.x address).. to a modemrouter that has a lan interface of 192.168.1.1 << really makes sense doesn't it? |
| 07:41.46 | yagoo | simply use a bridge |
| 07:42.16 | yagoo | or use a router that uses 192.168.1.1 as the default gateway |
| 07:42.17 | valdyn | yagoo: he can do that masquerade setup, if it makes sense or not. |
| 07:42.21 | yagoo | lol |
| 07:42.53 | yagoo | there's no need for NAT or ip-masquerade as far as i can tell |
| 07:42.56 | valdyn | yagoo: but since hes trying to monitor traffic it probably does |
| 07:43.09 | yagoo | (if it's just 1 lan) |
| 07:43.22 | yagoo | you can also monitor network on a bridge |
| 07:43.35 | yagoo | br0 can be monitored.. (promiscuous mode) |
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| 07:49.53 | sickgut | is it possible to setup single click .deb installation |
| 07:53.18 | cnz | ok i'm having trouble finding a good guide on how to drun a box running debian into a NAS, can anyone help and point me in the right direction |
| 07:53.42 | valdyn | cnz: apt-get install samba |
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| 07:54.18 | wallee | whatis objdump -h output mean? |
| 07:54.45 | wallee | VMA, LMA... whatis the full name of this word? |
| 07:54.59 | cnz | valdyn and that will also allow me to store all the files on it and just access it and stream videos/movies from it to any computer in the house? |
| 07:55.15 | valdyn | wallee: read the help text, it defaults to reading a.out |
| 07:55.23 | valdyn | cnz: yes |
| 07:55.44 | wallee | i have read man objdump, but it's not talk about this |
| 07:55.48 | cnz | cool, thanks, one last question, is samba pretty easy to setup and configure even for noobs like myself? |
| 07:56.03 | wallee | valdyn: it only talk about the argument, not more infomation |
| 07:56.09 | valdyn | cnz: its easy enough |
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| 07:56.19 | wallee | valdyn: i want to get full name of this short name |
| 07:56.32 | cnz | cool thanks valdyn |
| 07:56.43 | valdyn | wallee: http://www.ouah.org/RevEng/x430.htm |
| 07:57.29 | yagoo | !swat |
| 07:57.29 | dpkg | swat is, like, Special Weapons And Tactics, or <Samba> Web Administration Tool: 'aptitude install swat' and 'invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd restart', then point your web browser at http://localhost:901/ |
| 07:57.43 | yagoo | cnz, ^ swat helps if you ask. |
| 07:58.25 | cnz | yagoo tyvm |
| 07:58.56 | cnz | valdyn, a buddy said samba doesn't play well with win7 but he's not sure if they have fixed it? |
| 07:59.22 | wallee | valdyn: tks vv much |
| 07:59.22 | valdyn | cnz: works fine for me |
| 07:59.28 | cnz | k |
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| 08:00.26 | valdyn | cnz: i use samba from squeeze as a pdc, theres a win7 fix around, but thats only for win7 clients authenticating to the pdc. You dont even want a pdc. |
| 08:00.42 | yagoo | cnz, if you're trying more than 1 user account testing from a windows computer.. keep in mind-- you can only have 1 username logged on at a time with smb from a windows desktop.. -- so use "net use * /delete", wait 30 seconds(close all explorer windows), then try your other samba username |
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| 08:01.24 | cnz | yagoo what about the same username logging in more than once |
| 08:01.37 | valdyn | yagoo: why do you think that? i have up to 5 logged in at a time on the same client |
| 08:01.58 | yagoo | valdyn, ? |
| 08:02.06 | yagoo | valdyn, did you read me carefully bro ? :) |
| 08:02.11 | valdyn | yagoo: yes |
| 08:02.25 | yagoo | valdyn, not from the same server.. |
| 08:02.32 | yagoo | valdyn, separate servers yes. |
| 08:02.40 | cnz | valdyn, yagoo has me confused :/ |
| 08:02.41 | yagoo | cnz, and of course i mean from 1 server. |
| 08:02.52 | cnz | is he saying I can only login to the samba with 1 pc at a time on my lan? |
| 08:03.03 | valdyn | yagoo: one server, 5 users on one client computer, simultanously, works |
| 08:03.09 | yagoo | cnz, you can't have two samba usernames from the same windows desktop-- considering it's only ONE and the same samba server. |
| 08:03.23 | yagoo | valdyn, from the same desktop? |
| 08:03.31 | valdyn | yagoo: yes |
| 08:03.36 | yagoo | valdyn, hmm sure.. |
| 08:04.06 | valdyn | yagoo: from the same windows *computer*, its not really the same desktop, its windows "switch user" |
| 08:04.24 | yagoo | valdyn, you see.. you're wrong bro.. |
| 08:04.30 | yagoo | valdyn, I SAID SAME DESKTOP :p |
| 08:04.37 | yagoo | valdyn, another desktop user.. YES. |
| 08:04.43 | yagoo | valdyn, but not the same desktop.. |
| 08:04.57 | valdyn | yagoo: yea, i get it now, "desktop" is quite ambigous |
| 08:05.14 | yagoo | haha.. sure.. |
| 08:05.27 | joeoshawa | can anyone help me get my headphones working please i keep trying the #alsa room but there is never anyone in there |
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| 08:06.28 | valdyn | cnz: i would paraphrase that as: "You cant log in with 2 different samba accounts, from the same windows login |
| 08:06.44 | yagoo | and to the SAME smb server.. |
| 08:06.51 | cnz | valdyn aahh ok |
| 08:06.59 | cnz | so i can login at the same time from all the pc's |
| 08:07.03 | yagoo | so use that method i told you if you want to test different samba usernames.. |
| 08:07.07 | valdyn | cnz: yes |
| 08:07.21 | cnz | gotcha thanks valdyn for helping me understand that |
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| 08:07.25 | yagoo | cnz, separate machines.. yes of course.. |
| 08:07.26 | joeoshawa | normally i would just type the full issue out but apparently nobody who uses linux knows how alsa works cause they tell me to state my problem and then say they don't know anything about alsa |
| 08:07.38 | yagoo | cnz, but this is the way microsux designed their desktops.. |
| 08:09.08 | yagoo | joeoshawa, often more than not it's not really a linux open source app that rises.. often it's about flash.. |
| 08:09.10 | cnz | valdyn any reason why I would use aptitude > apt-get? |
| 08:09.16 | cnz | other than personal preference |
| 08:09.26 | boudiccas | joeoshawa; how can you say that there is no-one in #alsa when i've just counted 58 people? |
| 08:10.01 | joeoshawa | there logged in but nobody is anserving |
| 08:10.22 | joeoshawa | just cause there computer is there does not mean they are |
| 08:10.32 | boudiccas | it depends on what time zone there in, here in the uk its just 0800, people are just waking up |
| 08:10.59 | boudiccas | you have to hang around and state your case/problem maybe several times |
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| 08:11.28 | joeoshawa | i have been stating my problem for three days |
| 08:11.54 | boudiccas | have you thought of sending to the mailing list, debain for instance? |
| 08:11.58 | boudiccas | debian |
| 08:12.22 | joeoshawa | i just want to plug my headphones in to my headphone jack and have sound come out them |
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| 08:12.50 | boudiccas | i reckon if you dont get any useful help on irc then send an email to the mailing list |
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| 08:13.01 | joeoshawa | mailing list? |
| 08:13.02 | yagoo | i'm a little saddened by this fact.. itunes is more network friendly in not soaking up activity on my lan.. dam i tried 3-4 open source apps.. 2000 ms buffering made no difference in them |
| 08:13.05 | boudiccas | yes |
| 08:13.11 | yagoo | ,/or should i say 20000ms |
| 08:13.30 | joeoshawa | what mailing list |
| 08:13.40 | joeoshawa | the bug report? |
| 08:13.50 | yagoo | joeoshawa, alot of people think it's always alsa that's a problem.. often they don't know that an app can be using pulseaudio with alsa plugins |
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| 08:14.09 | boudiccas | no, the debian mailing list, wait and i'll provide you with the url for it |
| 08:14.41 | tyhon | cannot playback Flash. using flashplugin-nonfree. version is 11.0r1. have removed and re-install the package. |
| 08:14.54 | joeoshawa | yagoo, it doesn't work with alsa only it doesn't work with alsa with pulse it just doesn't work |
| 08:15.11 | joeoshawa | no matter what i do or try it won't work in linux |
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| 08:15.29 | joeoshawa | i have gone over and over it |
| 08:15.41 | yagoo | joeoshawa, hey.. i'm only reporting that because you're in the #alsa channel doesn't suit to everything about sound configuration |
| 08:16.06 | boudiccas | joeoshawa; debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 08:16.26 | joeoshawa | so what does the mailing list do |
| 08:16.32 | joeoshawa | exactly |
| 08:16.55 | boudiccas | ffs! you report your problem giving all details, and people respond with possible solutions |
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| 08:17.12 | valdyn | tyhon: you need to run update-flashplugin-nonfree, not reinstall the package |
| 08:17.48 | tyhon | valdyn: i did that before i remove and reinstall. |
| 08:18.07 | tyhon | i know there is a debian wiki page for flash. |
| 08:18.56 | cnz | valdyn, you know a good guide site that can help me figure how to configure samba once it's installed |
| 08:19.12 | joeoshawa | that's not really an option it will take years for me to figure it out waiting a week for a genaric try inputing 3 stack-dig in this file oh that doesn't work try this |
| 08:19.26 | tyhon | valdyn: i think it happened on the next restart after i did that update. |
| 08:19.37 | boudiccas | joeoshawa; its your choice |
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| 08:20.05 | joeoshawa | its not a google search it problem i tried taht |
| 08:20.07 | joeoshawa | that |
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| 08:20.33 | joeoshawa | most issues i can deal with i have been working on this for a year |
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| 08:21.07 | joeoshawa | asking for help again this time for three days |
| 08:21.09 | Cocksucker | i like it when guys piss in my asshole |
| 08:21.18 | Cocksucker | would any of you care to piss in my asshole? |
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| 08:22.16 | Cocksucker | hello? |
| 08:22.16 | yagoo | !ops |
| 08:22.16 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 08:22.25 | Cocksucker | can i sock your cock please? |
| 08:22.28 | Cocksucker | suck |
| 08:22.31 | Cocksucker | i like it when guys piss in my asshole |
| 08:22.52 | joeoshawa | the problem i have with email is it will take for ever to deal with a real issue that way |
| 08:23.07 | Cocksucker | the problem i have is that nobody will piss in my asshole |
| 08:23.19 | joeoshawa | look how many interactions it takes on irc do deal with simple issues |
| 08:23.24 | yagoo | joeoshawa, so do you have an "forum" posts that you made? let me guess.. you never did ever |
| 08:23.27 | Cocksucker | like my asshole |
| 08:23.35 | joeoshawa | yes i have |
| 08:23.50 | joeoshawa | i am an active member on many forums |
| 08:23.52 | Cocksucker | i like forum posts in my asshole |
| 08:24.01 | yagoo | joeoshawa, so show us your latest post |
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| 08:24.09 | joeoshawa | you generalise and assume |
| 08:24.18 | Cocksucker | i assume that you want my asshole |
| 08:24.20 | joeoshawa | now i have to prove myself to you |
| 08:24.41 | joeoshawa | that' |
| 08:24.42 | Cocksucker | please? |
| 08:24.44 | joeoshawa | that' |
| 08:24.44 | yagoo | joeoshawa, you sound too arrogant and heft-up.. i think i would of been able to help you.. but now you're just poking fun at us |
| 08:24.52 | joeoshawa | that's rather arrogant |
| 08:24.53 | Cocksucker | help me with my asshole |
| 08:25.02 | joeoshawa | i am not |
| 08:25.06 | Cocksucker | poke fun at my asshole please |
| 08:25.30 | hippsta | who *is* this cocksucker? |
| 08:25.34 | Cocksucker | hello? |
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| 08:25.44 | joeoshawa | i am frustrated that i cannot find anyone willing to try and help me deal with an issue with alsa |
| 08:25.48 | Cocksucker | ask me about my asshole |
| 08:26.05 | Cocksucker | joe. me too. why wont anyone help me with pissing in my asshole? |
| 08:26.06 | joeoshawa | it shouldn't be that hard to plug in a headset and hear sound |
| 08:26.17 | Cocksucker | its not very hard to plug into my asshole |
| 08:26.30 | ZekeS | !ops |
| 08:26.30 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 08:26.30 | yagoo | doesn't know who should be banned more.. joeoshawa or co* |
| 08:26.35 | valdyn | !tell joeoshawa -about ask |
| 08:26.40 | valdyn | !tell joeoshawa -about smart questions |
| 08:26.56 | valdyn | joeoshawa: please read and follow what dpkg told you and quite your whining |
| 08:27.11 | Cocksucker | why should i be banned? dont you want your cock sucked? |
| 08:27.12 | valdyn | *quit* even |
| 08:27.21 | valdyn | !ops Cocksucker |
| 08:27.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: valdyn complains about: Cocksucker |
| 08:27.38 | Cocksucker | all i want is piss in my asshole |
| 08:27.41 | joeoshawa | valdyn i did ask several times |
| 08:27.46 | Cocksucker | !ops valdyn |
| 08:27.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: cocksucker complains about: valdyn |
| 08:27.51 | joeoshawa | ok here goes |
| 08:27.58 | kloeri | Cocksucker: drop it please |
| 08:28.01 | Cocksucker | !ops my asshole |
| 08:28.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: cocksucker complains about: my asshole |
| 08:28.11 | yagoo | joeoshawa, you never posted your forum entry.. why not start with that? |
| 08:28.51 | Cocksucker | i like rim jobs too |
| 08:28.55 | joeoshawa | i have two sound cards one an sblive card and the other onboard alc883 that uses the hda-intel driver and neither one does the headphone jack work or show up anywhere |
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| 08:29.08 | joeoshawa | i don't know why however |
| 08:29.41 | joeoshawa | it is obviously an issue with my setup i am thinking i am missing a dependancy somewhere |
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| 08:30.05 | joeoshawa | jack sense maybe i don't know |
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| 08:30.42 | joeoshawa | i tried the wiki and tried 3stack-dig however nothing changes and the problem persists |
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| 08:31.20 | yagoo | joeoshawa, do you know Nick Burns? I heard he's good. |
| 08:31.36 | yagoo | lets Nick Burns do the magiv |
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| 08:31.55 | joeoshawa | i am out of ideas except maybe the driver is depriciated and hasn't been replaced however i dont' know how to tell what driver version i am using |
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| 08:32.25 | joeoshawa | and the sblive being legacy i can't see that being the issue but not opposed to the idea |
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| 08:32.46 | joeoshawa | no idea who nick burns is |
| 08:32.59 | valdyn | joeoshawa: run "amixer -c0;amixer -c1" and paste the output on a paste site |
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| 08:33.34 | joeoshawa | as root or user |
| 08:33.44 | joeoshawa | ? |
| 08:33.59 | valdyn | joeoshawa: if your user is in the audio group it makes no difference |
| 08:34.07 | joeoshawa | pl |
| 08:34.11 | joeoshawa | ok |
| 08:34.29 | cnz | blah@samba |
| 08:34.32 | cnz | it's too damn confusing |
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| 08:34.47 | valdyn | cnz: what is confusing? |
| 08:34.55 | cnz | everything |
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| 08:35.04 | cnz | im looking at swat and im like uuuhh this is like greek to me |
| 08:35.18 | valdyn | cnz: then we cant help you, ask your psychotherapist |
| 08:35.27 | valdyn | cnz: dont use swat |
| 08:35.36 | valdyn | cnz: editing a config file is easy |
| 08:35.41 | cnz | valdyn, can't find any good guides to help configure it and what not |
| 08:36.10 | valdyn | cnz: You can edit the config file straight, you dont need docs really |
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| 08:36.43 | valdyn | cnz: I know I did that in 1998 or somesuch, it wasnt any harder or easier then |
| 08:37.08 | valdyn | cnz: if you later decide to use some advanced features, then you might need to read documentation |
| 08:37.30 | cnz | well for one not sure how I connect to samba via one of my other pc's |
| 08:37.37 | valdyn | cnz: but you might first just want one exported share with public access, thats trivial |
| 08:37.45 | joeoshawa | http://paste.debian.net/147902/ |
| 08:38.07 | cnz | valdyn that's all I want /home/downloads /home/downlaods2 etc shareable through the whole lan |
| 08:38.19 | valdyn | cnz: you can use the explorer "\\192.168.1.1\" will list shares on that ip |
| 08:38.35 | valdyn | cnz: theres examples in smb.conf |
| 08:38.38 | joeoshawa | hrmm heaphone is there |
| 08:38.43 | joeoshawa | set to 0 |
| 08:38.48 | joeoshawa | it look like |
| 08:38.56 | valdyn | joeoshawa: brilliant, guess you can help yourself ;) |
| 08:39.05 | joeoshawa | no not really |
| 08:39.14 | joeoshawa | dunno how to change that |
| 08:39.15 | cnz | "windows cannot access |
| 08:39.22 | valdyn | joeoshawa: run alsamixer |
| 08:39.22 | cnz | "windows cannot access \\192.168.11.10" |
| 08:39.44 | valdyn | cnz: run "smbtree" on your nas |
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| 08:40.16 | joeoshawa | only have master and capture |
| 08:40.28 | joeoshawa | one sec |
| 08:40.39 | cnz | -bash: smbtree: command not found |
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| 08:41.03 | valdyn | cnz: install "smbclient" |
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| 08:41.44 | cnz | valdyn on the nas right |
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| 08:42.06 | valdyn | cnz: yea, we do all testing on the nas first, because that involves the least amount of possible errors |
| 08:42.39 | cnz | valdyn very true |
| 08:42.40 | joeoshawa | headphones is lit up but no option for it in pulse |
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| 08:43.17 | valdyn | joeoshawa: you might have to use alsamixer to turn up volume |
| 08:43.29 | cnz | http://pastebin.com/ug19Ts5i |
| 08:43.31 | valdyn | joeoshawa: i cant say how pulse support for headphones is |
| 08:43.38 | joeoshawa | no volume control |
| 08:43.38 | cnz | my dumbass didn't change the workgroup on the win7 boxes |
| 08:43.46 | joeoshawa | just a square lit up |
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| 08:44.02 | joeoshawa | and there still not working |
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| 08:44.13 | valdyn | cnz: see, it works ok, but you have no useful share exported |
| 08:44.32 | yagoo | cnz, changing workgroup doesn't matter.. that's only for auto-discovery |
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| 08:44.48 | yagoo | cnz, for testing you dont need to change workgroups.. |
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| 08:45.17 | cnz | valdyn, aahh ok, so how do I setup shared dirctories and shit |
| 08:45.33 | valdyn | cnz: theres examples in /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 08:45.35 | boudiccas | cnz; language |
| 08:45.56 | valdyn | cnz: you just need to select one and adjust the path certainly and maybe set public=yes |
| 08:46.09 | joeoshawa | i have all the volume controls set to max other then mic and capture and there on just not full |
| 08:46.18 | joeoshawa | no headphones |
| 08:46.22 | cnz | valdyn aahh ok cool |
| 08:46.28 | cnz | I will have a look at smb.conf |
| 08:46.52 | cnz | so smb.conf is the one I edit too right to make all changes |
| 08:46.54 | valdyn | cnz: authentication then can make things complex, but just setting up a public share is easy enough |
| 08:47.04 | valdyn | cnz: yes |
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| 08:50.19 | cnz | valdyn, thanks for the help and what not, but samba must not be for me because im in the smb.conf and don't see nothing or eexamples on how to setup the public share |
| 08:50.32 | cnz | using win7 just seems way easier for this |
| 08:50.45 | valdyn | cnz: if you put that file up on a paste site i can point you to it |
| 08:51.04 | valdyn | cnz: sure win7 has clicky gui for everything, but thats not the unix way |
| 08:51.39 | joeoshawa | yeah alsa has the settings on but still not working |
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| 08:52.12 | valdyn | joeoshawa: we cant verify your claims if you dont put up the new amixer -c0;amixer -c1 output |
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| 08:53.18 | cnz | valdyn, http://pastebin.com/W2rU5381 |
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| 08:54.08 | valdyn | cnz: you can use the [cdrom] in line 305 as template |
| 08:54.15 | joeoshawa | looks like it's the same but i did turn everything up |
| 08:54.21 | joeoshawa | http://paste.debian.net/147903/ |
| 08:55.01 | valdyn | joeoshawa: which card is it? |
| 08:55.05 | joeoshawa | there is no more settings in alsamixer or controls i didn't put full amd make sure there on |
| 08:55.15 | joeoshawa | ac97 |
| 08:55.21 | joeoshawa | not the sblive |
| 08:55.39 | kuznetzvo | i had that issue |
| 08:55.56 | joeoshawa | the card is alc883 |
| 08:55.57 | kuznetzvo | and i forget wtf i did, too |
| 08:55.58 | kuznetzvo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:56.10 | valdyn | joeoshawa: looks good to me, try "aplay /usr/share/sounds/*.wav" or somesuch |
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| 08:57.17 | valdyn | cnz: add "public = yes", remove "read only = yes", remove "locking = no", adjust name and comment and path |
| 08:57.24 | cnz | http://pastebin.com/HRbU4u2e |
| 08:57.26 | valdyn | cnz: and remove the ; |
| 08:57.33 | cnz | sorta like that? |
| 08:57.47 | cnz | does it have to have a comment line? |
| 08:58.03 | valdyn | cnz: this looks ok except for the adjustments i just mentioned |
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| 08:58.09 | valdyn | cnz: the ; need to go away |
| 08:58.19 | cnz | right |
| 08:58.31 | cnz | so remove those two lines |
| 08:58.33 | cnz | and the ; |
| 08:58.36 | cnz | and it should be good? |
| 08:58.45 | valdyn | cnz: add "public = yes" |
| 08:58.46 | joeoshawa | no sounds in that directory |
| 08:58.49 | joeoshawa | umm |
| 08:58.51 | joeoshawa | oh |
| 08:58.57 | folivora | Gday. I have screen open, where is I have 12 windows open (bash), I can easily move between 0-9 with ctrl+a+<id> but could someone tell me how I can move to id-number bigger than 9 |
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| 08:59.08 | valdyn | joeoshawa: aplay needs a wav file |
| 08:59.25 | joeoshawa | i got bugs bunny for that earlier it does not matter if its in my music directory right |
| 08:59.36 | valdyn | joeoshawa: nope |
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| 09:00.20 | valdyn | cnz: without public = yes any user needs to be authenticated, but you dont have that set up |
| 09:00.25 | joeoshawa | nope comes out the speakers let me unplug them and make sure |
| 09:00.39 | cnz | ok that's what I thought that meant |
| 09:00.53 | joeoshawa | nope jack is dead nothing coming out |
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| 09:01.35 | valdyn | folivora: ctrl-a n |
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| 09:01.41 | cnz | valdyn now I should beable to restart samba with /etc/init.d/samba restart right |
| 09:01.47 | valdyn | cnz: yes |
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| 09:02.15 | cnz | valdyn, again thank you for the help and patience |
| 09:02.25 | nvz | service samba restart works as well |
| 09:02.42 | boudiccas | joeoshawa; could the usb headphones be faulty? |
| 09:02.49 | joeoshawa | not usb |
| 09:03.01 | joeoshawa | its the onboard sound card |
| 09:03.15 | joeoshawa | and if i plug them in the speaker output they work |
| 09:03.15 | valdyn | cnz: you can use "testparm" to see that your smb.conf is broken or not |
| 09:03.20 | boudiccas | joeoshawa; k, but could the headphones/sound card be faulty? |
| 09:03.37 | joeoshawa | no it worked in windows just never in linux |
| 09:03.44 | boudiccas | fair enough |
| 09:03.53 | joeoshawa | amazingly enough |
| 09:04.02 | cnz | http://pastebin.com/zydFSAhB |
| 09:04.32 | valdyn | cnz: looks good |
| 09:04.36 | joeoshawa | windows had a gui that let me select what i wanted each jack to do |
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| 09:04.47 | joeoshawa | so i could get surround |
| 09:05.13 | joeoshawa | or stereo sound with a mic and a headset |
| 09:05.25 | cnz | http://pastebin.com/PZLLvEAN |
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| 09:05.31 | cnz | valdyn, that's testparm |
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| 09:06.06 | valdyn | cnz: i dont see public = yes there |
| 09:06.14 | joeoshawa | someone hacked my windows 7 install and sent naked pics of my wife i had on there to my email inbox |
| 09:06.32 | joeoshawa | so don't use windows anymore |
| 09:06.39 | nvz | heh.. that does happen |
| 09:06.51 | cnz | http://pastebin.com/9rRNwKw7 |
| 09:07.04 | joeoshawa | yeah was not impressed |
| 09:07.12 | valdyn | cnz: ok, weird, but ignore that for now |
| 09:07.41 | joeoshawa | so what now |
| 09:07.51 | nvz | joeoshawa: me either.. its like a convo I had in #ubuntu with a guy who was exhibiting paranoia about wiping data.. I knew right off he had a relationship problem not a technical one |
| 09:07.56 | yagoo | joeoshawa, i have the pictures.. how'd you know? :p |
| 09:08.17 | nvz | joeoshawa: perhaps your issue is don't keep naked pics of your wife on your internet connected machine in the first place |
| 09:08.52 | joeoshawa | yes well truth be told it was the hacked my puter issue i cared about |
| 09:09.09 | joeoshawa | so he had nudy pics of my wife oh well |
| 09:09.14 | nvz | yeah and I'm pointing out thats the problem.. |
| 09:09.17 | joeoshawa | there's internet porn for that |
| 09:09.17 | nvz | heh |
| 09:09.35 | nvz | I understand the feeling.. I was hacked not long ago.. but I recognised the real issue.. |
| 09:09.54 | joeoshawa | it turned out to be a guy who was miffed at her cause she would'nt have sex with him |
| 09:10.07 | nvz | I had setup an account called guest password guest to test something and long forgot about it.. it got hacked and had an ircbot running |
| 09:10.50 | nvz | got over the fact I was hacked and focused on my problem which was doing stupid crap |
| 09:10.57 | yagoo | left a wifi shared passkey for 4-5 years and found out it got hacked.. now changes it every few months |
| 09:11.04 | joeoshawa | i don't know how he got in my password was really complicated i had to put it in for her just so she could use it |
| 09:11.29 | joeoshawa | so i stopped using windows |
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| 09:12.07 | joeoshawa | a hacker friend i used to talk to checked the machine and suggested debian or ubuntu instead of windows 7 |
| 09:12.12 | nvz | passwords are fairly irrelevant on a system that is critically flawed |
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| 09:12.19 | cnz | valdyn, ok what's the next step |
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| 09:12.39 | nvz | I have a new theory that win7 kills computers in 6-8mo anyhow.. |
| 09:12.44 | valdyn | cnz: use the share |
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| 09:13.26 | joeoshawa | he found the guy who did the hacking cause he tried to hack the ubuntu 9.1 install i had on there and failed and it logged the attempt |
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| 09:14.07 | joeoshawa | 1 failed attempt blah blah blah |
| 09:14.43 | cnz | valdyn, still get windows cannot access \\192.168.11.10 |
| 09:14.52 | joeoshawa | anyway where do i go from here |
| 09:15.04 | valdyn | cnz: \\192.168.11.10\ |
| 09:15.09 | joeoshawa | could there be a pulseaudio issue |
| 09:15.12 | valdyn | cnz: im not sure you need the trailing backslash |
| 09:15.18 | cnz | right that's waht I did just left the last \ of when typing |
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| 09:15.37 | valdyn | cnz: how do you know the ip is correct? |
| 09:15.58 | cnz | because ifconfig tells me so |
| 09:16.05 | joeoshawa | i always double check ip's in the router just to be sure |
| 09:16.08 | valdyn | cnz: windows can ping that ip? |
| 09:16.24 | cnz | yep |
| 09:16.30 | cnz | I might have to reboot to get on the workgroup |
| 09:16.33 | cnz | ima do that brb |
| 09:16.40 | valdyn | cnz: run "netstat -plunt" on the nas and paste the output |
| 09:17.22 | joeoshawa | i cross check ip's i get from the machine with what the router says |
| 09:17.24 | cnz | http://pastebin.com/0qZqiTtk |
| 09:17.30 | afidegnum | hello, pls while creating a directory at /var/www I have the following error, how do I add permission to the user "afidegnum" to create /modify files. here is the error I got, mkdir: cannot create directory `events': Permission denied |
| 09:17.44 | joeoshawa | guarantees the info is right |
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| 09:18.13 | valdyn | cnz: looks fine |
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| 09:18.26 | cnz | yeah |
| 09:18.27 | joeoshawa | afidegnum, i am pretty sure users can't modify that directory for a reason |
| 09:18.38 | cnz | going to reboot this pc and see if that makes a difference being on the same workgroup |
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| 09:19.01 | joeoshawa | i would su and create the directory then modify the permissions as necessary |
| 09:19.08 | afidegnum | yes, I have istalled apache there, |
| 09:19.26 | valdyn | !wikifaq afidegnum Permissions |
| 09:19.27 | dpkg | afidegnum: check out http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 09:19.27 | afidegnum | on root, I chmod it to 775 but it didn't solve anything. |
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| 09:21.10 | joeoshawa | afidegnum, sorry i don't have too much experience with permissions |
| 09:21.22 | afidegnum | ok |
| 09:21.30 | joeoshawa | its usually a right click settings problem for me |
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| 09:23.01 | afidegnum | hello, I've read the manual about permissions and tried cpples of things but it didn't work for me. can you please give ha hand. ? |
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| 09:23.34 | yagoo | afidegnum, /var/www that smells like a webserver data files |
| 09:23.35 | cnz | ok valdyn, still no go |
| 09:23.46 | afidegnum | yagoo: yes, |
| 09:23.59 | afidegnum | I wanted to create a directory instde the webserver |
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| 09:24.14 | yagoo | afidegnum, /var/www |
| 09:24.17 | afidegnum | not from the root but from tehe end user |
| 09:24.22 | afidegnum | ? |
| 09:24.24 | yagoo | afidegnum, is the root document |
| 09:24.48 | yagoo | afidegnum, if you want to write under it, then you have to allow override for any subpaths.. |
| 09:25.27 | afidegnum | what is the needed command for that? |
| 09:26.46 | afidegnum | should I use the adduser command ? |
| 09:26.51 | yagoo | afidegnum, i'm talking about the apache setup.. but outside of that.. you said you can't make a new subdirectory? maybe it's because www-data is owner.. |
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| 09:27.21 | yagoo | afidegnum, did you try as root? (you should try as www-data, makes it easier--> su www-data) |
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| 09:27.41 | afidegnum | as root, I can successfully run mkdir |
| 09:27.49 | afidegnum | but not from my end user "afidegnum" |
| 09:28.33 | cnz | wb valdyn |
| 09:29.05 | afidegnum | so I want to add user 'afidgnum' in order to have permission to change folder and its contents |
| 09:29.35 | yagoo | afidegnum, what are you servicing, webdav? |
| 09:29.45 | afidegnum | apache |
| 09:30.03 | cnz | valdyn, still no go even after joining the workgroup |
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| 09:30.09 | yagoo | afidegnum, i know.. there's a webdav addon for apache.. what are you "servicing" with apache |
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| 09:30.11 | yagoo | ? |
| 09:30.15 | celes | ciao!! |
| 09:30.28 | valdyn | cnz: samba is ok now, you could have a firewall on your nas |
| 09:30.31 | boudiccas | !it |
| 09:30.32 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 09:31.00 | afidegnum | yagoo: I am just installing a web application on my localhost |
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| 09:31.06 | cnz | valdyn, nope |
| 09:31.28 | yagoo | afidegnum, then check the apache logs.. (there's access and error logs) |
| 09:31.57 | afidegnum | mkdir: cannot create directory `events': Permission denied |
| 09:32.08 | TechDesk | # |
| 09:32.14 | afidegnum | that is from the user end |
| 09:32.20 | afidegnum | not from root |
| 09:32.27 | TechDesk | and chmod after |
| 09:32.29 | yagoo | "<afidegnum> as root, I can successfully run mkdir" |
| 09:32.34 | yagoo | ^ what "path" are you trying to make? |
| 09:32.41 | valdyn | cnz: looks like you do need to fix something on windows |
| 09:32.53 | cnz | hhmm |
| 09:32.57 | cnz | windows firewall maybe? |
| 09:33.03 | afidegnum | mkdir events inside /var/www |
| 09:33.13 | valdyn | cnz: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/75-63-windows-samba-issue, look at the post by nikonz |
| 09:33.21 | yagoo | afidegnum, rtfm.. a web application has nothing to do with linux built-in user's password database unless you explicitly have binded so |
| 09:33.43 | yagoo | afidegnum, also it's the server that would be doing the writing.. you need to follow it's guidelines.. |
| 09:33.48 | afidegnum | see, if I do sudo su and changed to root, I can create that directory successfully but as end user 'afidegnum' I have permission denied |
| 09:33.57 | phorce1 | OK, mounting a .iso --- after the mount command it is unusable by a regular user and the directory permissions end up looking like this ___ drwx------ 3 4294967295 401 2048 2011-10-29 17:15 1 ____ does anyone have a clue why? (look ath the user/group, what the heck? |
| 09:33.57 | yagoo | afidegnum, that's why i mentioned www-data as username.. |
| 09:34.25 | afidegnum | yes, I am asking can I add user afidegnum to www-data? |
| 09:35.10 | valdyn | phorce1: try "mount -o umask=000 .... |
| 09:35.20 | yagoo | afidegnum, you um.. have to think.. your username is not running the webserver process.. |
| 09:35.32 | yagoo | afidegnum, it depends very much on the web application.. |
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| 09:35.40 | afidegnum | ok |
| 09:35.40 | yagoo | afidegnum, AND the server |
| 09:36.06 | xingu | phorce1: isofs supports unix file permissions |
| 09:36.15 | cnz | valdyn, I do not have Local Security Policy |
| 09:36.18 | cnz | in admin tools |
| 09:36.34 | xingu | phorce1: ie on the disk itself; bit foggy headed this morning, I'll see if I can beat you to a googly cite. |
| 09:36.35 | afidegnum | the reason why i wan tto do that is because I have been operating on root but I made 2 terrible mistakes recently which wiped off all my entire server |
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| 09:36.58 | afidegnum | so I am taking precaution not to do all things as root again |
| 09:37.17 | cnz | valdyn, windows 7 home premium doesn't have Local Security Policy |
| 09:37.18 | boudiccas | afidegnum; so ise 'sudo' instead |
| 09:37.19 | phorce1 | valdyn: it doesn't like 000 on a read-only file system |
| 09:37.21 | boudiccas | use |
| 09:37.22 | xingu | phorce1: there we go; "overriderockperm" mount opt |
| 09:37.34 | afidegnum | ? |
| 09:37.46 | afidegnum | ok, |
| 09:37.53 | xingu | phorce1: or if you prefer "norock" |
| 09:37.59 | afidegnum | sudo mkdir ? |
| 09:38.12 | boudiccas | afidegnum; add yourself to the sudoers list, then you never have to use the root password as you use sudo instead |
| 09:38.42 | valdyn | cnz: that means you have to do the fix manually in the registry |
| 09:38.47 | xingu | phorce1: rock as in rock ridge extensions to iso9660; you might lose long filenames unless the disk is also burnt with joliet |
| 09:39.27 | cnz | oh for f sakes |
| 09:39.30 | phorce1 | xingu: thx. nothing I found mentioned that. All the sites said "mount -o loop ...." and be happy!!!!1!!1!1 |
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| 09:39.54 | xingu | phorce1: sometimes it pays to be old enough to have lived through it ;) |
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| 09:40.06 | celes | ciaoooo |
| 09:40.10 | boudiccas | !it |
| 09:40.10 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 09:40.15 | celes | !lista |
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| 09:41.33 | yagoo | cnz, my goodness you're still on this |
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| 09:42.33 | yagoo | phorce1, uid=<>,gid=<> is options |
| 09:43.16 | cnz | yagoo, yah you got a problem with that? |
| 09:43.24 | yagoo | cnz, ya |
| 09:43.29 | yagoo | cnz, did you try swat? |
| 09:43.34 | cnz | swat is lame |
| 09:43.39 | yagoo | okie dokie |
| 09:43.41 | yagoo | lol |
| 09:44.02 | cnz | so why not go back to your hole and f off since you have nothing constructive to say |
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| 09:44.08 | yagoo | oO |
| 09:44.10 | valdyn | cnz: no, samba should just work now, even from windows 7 |
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| 09:44.41 | cnz | valdyn, yeah but dunno why it doesn't :( |
| 09:44.49 | cnz | it doesn't even show up under network in explorer |
| 09:44.50 | valdyn | cnz: unless youre not on debian/squeeze but something older |
| 09:44.58 | cnz | im on debian |
| 09:45.00 | xingu | heh interesting mount(8) is missing a bunch of isofs' options. :) |
| 09:45.03 | cnz | 6.0.3 |
| 09:45.07 | yagoo | cnz, watch your mouth boy. I would of helped you. Nothing wrong saying you're still on this.. |
| 09:45.08 | yagoo | pff |
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| 09:45.33 | cnz | yagoo, I said yes I am is there a problem with it an dyou said yes there is being a smart ass. |
| 09:45.50 | yagoo | cnz, i said yes.. because i was going to help you. You're so narrow minded. |
| 09:45.53 | yagoo | jeez |
| 09:45.57 | yagoo | whatta kiddo |
| 09:46.10 | boudiccas | cnz; take a break from the computer and go for a wee, then come back when you've calmed down |
| 09:46.29 | cnz | boudiccas, i'm calm bown :) |
| 09:46.42 | cnz | just reading that thread valdyn posted to see if it shows how to edit the reg to apply the fix |
| 09:47.04 | valdyn | cnz: that regedit thing is not required |
| 09:47.19 | valdyn | cnz: this is for older samba versions, youre on 3.5.x |
| 09:47.34 | yagoo | i dont think valdyn is suited for this.. Sorry valdyn. But you got that thing wrong about multiple logins wrong. |
| 09:47.39 | yagoo | refuses to comment more |
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| 09:48.08 | valdyn | yagoo: im running a windows domain controlled by samba with various clients. I know my network to some extent |
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| 09:49.16 | cnz | valdyn, yeah, and I can't do a regedit fix anyways I don't have those key paths in my registry |
| 09:49.25 | j4jack | any idea how can I add ip address to a bridge? |
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| 09:50.17 | yagoo | j4jack, in order to make a server listen (which is on the bridge computer), you need an interface listening on the bridge.. |
| 09:50.26 | yagoo | j4jack, there's this.. |
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| 09:50.28 | xingu | j4jack: as in a linux bridge interface? |
| 09:50.43 | yagoo | j4jack, http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections |
| 09:51.01 | xingu | j4jack: see man bridge-utils-interfaces |
| 09:51.27 | yagoo | j4jack, you want a static ip for br0 |
| 09:51.36 | valdyn | cnu: use this: http://nwlinux.com/access-samba-shares-with-windows7-professional/ |
| 09:51.47 | valdyn | nm, hes gone |
| 09:52.02 | j4jack | I want to have something like br0:0 |
| 09:52.14 | yagoo | j4jack, you don't need that |
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| 09:53.42 | valdyn | j4jack: wheres your drawing? |
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| 09:54.10 | j4jack | valdyn: oh, forget about it. yagoo was right, I needed a bridge |
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| 09:54.57 | cnz | ok back |
| 09:55.08 | cnz | valdyn, any other ideas im on the same workgroup and everything |
| 09:55.27 | j4jack | yagoo: i need 2 ip address to both support my internet clients and reaching the internet. (cause br0 only has one ip address) |
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| 09:55.43 | j4jack | to support both* |
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| 09:57.58 | j4jack | they're on a different IP range |
| 09:57.58 | j4jack | 192.168.1.x and 172.21.1.x |
| 09:57.58 | yagoo | j4jack, you don't need to do more than 1 lan |
| 09:57.58 | yagoo | j4jack, a bridge acts like a repeater.. |
| 09:57.58 | j4jack | yagoo: so what IP should I give to it? which range? |
| 09:57.58 | j4jack | lan range? or modem range? |
| 09:57.58 | yagoo | j4jack, just set all 172.21.1.x machines to the same 192.168.1.x network |
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| 09:57.58 | yagoo | j4jack, if /24 isn't enough.. then use /23 |
| 09:57.58 | superpippo | !ciao |
| 09:57.58 | dpkg | i heard ciao is both hello and goodbye (casual), or a slow and old but widely known Prolog interpreter. |
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| 09:57.58 | superpippo | !list |
| 09:57.58 | dpkg | superpippo: e possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero con http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 09:58.06 | yagoo | j4jack, how many machines are on 172.21.1.x ? |
| 09:58.18 | j4jack | yagoo: 100 nodes |
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| 09:58.27 | yagoo | j4jack, and on 192.168.1.x ? |
| 09:58.49 | j4jack | yagoo: nothing, just my server and the wimax modem |
| 09:59.07 | yagoo | j4jack, then just set those 2 to 172.21.1.x |
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| 09:59.31 | yagoo | br0 and the gateway lan ip# to 172.21.1 |
| 09:59.32 | yagoo | .x |
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| 10:00.33 | cesurasean | what package is linux-firmware-nonfree on squeeze? and how exactly do i need to edit my sources? |
| 10:00.38 | cesurasean | non-free, or nonfree? |
| 10:00.44 | j4jack | yagoo: would'nt be too easy? I mean I would more glad if I could have there both ranges in my administration domain :) |
| 10:00.46 | cesurasean | deb, or deb-src? |
| 10:02.56 | j4jack | i'd be* |
| 10:02.56 | yagoo | j4jack, you said you have a modembox as the WAN gateway.. so a bridge is fine |
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| 10:02.56 | j4jack | yagoo: ok :) |
| 10:02.56 | hoxu | I had issues with disks and now LVM says "Cannot change VG xxx while PVs are missing." - yet I see no missing PVs. Any ideas? |
| 10:02.56 | yagoo | j4jack, btw a real tap would be between your modembox and your ISP |
| 10:03.02 | j4jack | yagoo: yeah, I was trying to make somthing like that inside my linux box :) |
| 10:03.08 | yagoo | j4jack, but it's impossible to do it with that machine .. you'll have to use a complete different machine for that. |
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| 10:03.35 | ANIE | ciao |
| 10:03.38 | ANIE | !list |
| 10:03.39 | dpkg | anie: e possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero con http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 10:04.08 | j4jack | so that's why I can't do that... thank you yagoo |
| 10:04.14 | yagoo | j4jack, if you want an ethertap (i got one).. there's one from http://www.barracudanetworks.com/tap/faq/ (works very well) |
| 10:04.38 | yagoo | it's probably the only affordable one out there.. and works perfect |
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| 10:04.51 | yagoo | it's better than the solution you were trying.. |
| 10:04.52 | cnz | ok back |
| 10:05.05 | cnz | sorry valdyn I duno if you responded to my last question before I disconnected |
| 10:05.14 | cnz | but any idea what I could look into on why I can't connect with win7 |
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| 10:05.33 | yagoo | j4jack, that product box fits on your palm and is a real ethernet tap.. |
| 10:06.35 | j4jack | yagoo: ok, I guess I choose bridge :D |
| 10:06.37 | yagoo | j4jack, btw you can even add nics to your bridge computer and dedicate attachments to this ethertap-- this "ethertap" would be living invisibly on the WAN link |
| 10:07.12 | yagoo | j4jack, so in another way.. you don't need a complete separate machine-- with this solution set |
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| 10:07.59 | yagoo | j4jack, your modembox is blocking potential inbound requests initiated from the outside.. that's why it's not a real ethertap |
| 10:08.30 | yagoo | j4jack, but if you use the bridge+ethertap combination like i described you can catch everything.. like you can see if there are DOS attacks.. |
| 10:08.49 | j4jack | humm... I'll buy one.. one day. |
| 10:09.09 | j4jack | they sound cool |
| 10:09.19 | yagoo | j4jack, this is 129 bucks.. it's affordable :) |
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| 10:09.39 | stenno | good day, i installed debian squeeze on my laptop, and now it can't find the built-in webcam. What are the steps i need to take so make the OS find it? :) |
| 10:09.49 | stenno | so = to |
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| 10:10.49 | kuznetzvo | stenno when i had that i just googled |
| 10:10.55 | kuznetzvo | first search, first result |
| 10:11.02 | kuznetzvo | but it's changed by now |
| 10:11.20 | j4jack | :) |
| 10:12.05 | cnz | valdyn if you are still here, im getting it's unable to find HTPC on the network |
| 10:12.20 | j4jack | ok, time 2 go... |
| 10:12.23 | j4jack | bye every1 |
| 10:12.27 | Hazekame | Cnz htpc? |
| 10:12.28 | j4jack | thank you guys |
| 10:12.30 | yagoo | j4jack, bye |
| 10:12.35 | yagoo | i gtg too.. |
| 10:12.36 | yagoo | bye folks |
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| 10:13.01 | cnz | Hazekame, that's the name I can the NAS box samba on debian |
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| 10:13.22 | stenno | it seems that it doesn't list in lspci |
| 10:14.22 | gnugr | stenno: does cheese works? |
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| 10:14.36 | stenno | nope, it tells me 'no device found' |
| 10:14.42 | Hazekame | Cnz, oh samba |
| 10:15.15 | gnugr | stenno: do you have debian-multimedia in sources.list? |
| 10:15.43 | cnz | Hazekame, yeah having issues connecting via win7 |
| 10:15.44 | stenno | no i don't |
| 10:15.48 | stenno | let me add it |
| 10:15.56 | gnugr | !dmm squeeze |
| 10:15.57 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ squeeze main non-free" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/dmm.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
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| 10:16.33 | gnugr | stenno: ^^^^^ |
| 10:16.39 | stenno | thanks :) |
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| 10:17.26 | stenno | alright, done that |
| 10:17.56 | gnugr | do "aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade " |
| 10:18.00 | Hazekame | Cnz,yeah..i think there are somethink to configure on your win7 box |
| 10:18.12 | gnugr | and see if keyring is added |
| 10:18.15 | cnz | yeah, not sure what |
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| 10:19.15 | cnz | im on the same workgroup i can ping it and connect ot the box via ssh |
| 10:19.31 | gnugr | !apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 10:19.32 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 10:19.40 | cnz | but it's not showing up under networks in explorer and i can't browse to with by \\ip\ or |
| 10:19.47 | cnz | or \\name\ |
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| 10:19.50 | gnugr | stenno: keyring ^^^^ |
| 10:19.59 | Hazekame | Maybe look at newest samba documentation could find some issue guys |
| 10:20.21 | stenno | alright i am running the update right now, i will do what you told once it is finished :) thanks so far! |
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| 10:21.21 | hoxu | "vgreduce --removemissing -v --force vgname" says "Can't remove locked LV xxx", how do I unlock the LV? |
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| 10:24.30 | gnugr | hoxu: did you check for permissions in LV ? |
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| 10:26.13 | stenno | gnugr, i get gpg: requesting key 1F41B907 from hkp server keys.gnupg.net |
| 10:26.14 | stenno | gpgkeys: key 1F41B907 not found on keyserver |
| 10:26.36 | stenno | oh wait |
| 10:26.43 | stenno | i should restart my system first, brb |
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| 10:27.40 | gnugr | !apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 10:27.40 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 10:27.50 | gnugr | stenno: ^^^^^^ |
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| 10:28.33 | gnugr | stenno: copy/paste that command |
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| 10:29.31 | stenno | gnugr, the error persists :( |
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| 10:30.28 | gnugr | stenno:open a terminal and give this " gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add - " |
| 10:30.37 | hoxu | gnugr, what permissions? |
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| 10:31.04 | gnugr | LV permissions |
| 10:31.06 | stenno | gnugr, no i mean, i did this and i get an error |
| 10:31.17 | stenno | gpg: requesting key 1F41B907 from hkp server keys.gnupg.net |
| 10:31.18 | stenno | gpgkeys: key 1F41B907 not found on keyserver |
| 10:31.27 | hoxu | gnugr, can you be more specific? |
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| 10:32.33 | gnugr | you said you can't unlock LV |
| 10:32.38 | hoxu | the LV which is having issues was actually in a middle of pvmove, but now the pvmove fails: "Cannot change VG mainvg while PVs are missing." |
| 10:33.00 | gnugr | oh ok i got it wrong |
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| 10:34.03 | gnugr | stenno: you got error adding the keyring? |
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| 10:34.27 | stenno | yes |
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| 10:34.33 | stenno | i copy and pasted your line |
| 10:34.42 | stenno | and i get an error that the key was not found |
| 10:35.02 | gnugr | weird |
| 10:35.21 | stenno | let me pastebin it |
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| 10:35.55 | gnugr | no quotes |
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| 10:37.30 | stenno | gnugr, here is what happened http://pastebin.com/EyGDN04a |
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| 10:38.12 | gnugr | are you doing this as root? |
| 10:38.21 | stenno | no |
| 10:38.23 | cnz | anyone awake that's good with samba |
| 10:38.24 | gnugr | always must be root |
| 10:38.42 | stenno | i wondered, because there was a 'sudo' |
| 10:38.51 | stenno | i thought i had to do it as a normal user |
| 10:39.14 | gnugr | np you are new with debian |
| 10:39.34 | valdyn | cnz: do you have another computer that is running a windows version older than vista? |
| 10:39.53 | cnz | no way |
| 10:40.08 | stenno | hmm i get the same error |
| 10:40.16 | gnugr | as root? |
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| 10:40.30 | stenno | yes |
| 10:40.31 | cnz | valdyn this is the error im getting http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30440135/ss.png |
| 10:40.35 | gnugr | hm |
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| 10:40.58 | jelly-home | gnugr: actually, in that command, the only thing that needs to be done as root is that last apt-key add bit, that's why the command is written that way |
| 10:41.05 | ZaaMmY | morinng |
| 10:41.08 | ZaaMmY | morning |
| 10:42.08 | stenno | so i was right :D |
| 10:42.44 | stenno | anyway |
| 10:42.45 | gnugr | jelly-home:my point is to work always as root for commands |
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| 10:43.53 | jspirosweb | My machine's hard drive died, and I have a backup of /var |
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| 10:44.01 | stenno | the problem persists |
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| 10:44.18 | jspirosweb | How can I get a list of packages+versions based on what's in /var/whatever/dpkg, so I can install them anew? |
| 10:44.22 | jspirosweb | I also have a backed up /etc |
| 10:44.35 | jspirosweb | So I can of course restore my apt config, so that the right packages are available |
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| 10:44.53 | jelly-home | gnugr: no need to in this case |
| 10:44.57 | jspirosweb | basically I want --get-selections, but, based on what's in the backed up /var |
| 10:45.02 | xingu | cnz: check and see if "client for microsoft networks" is installed on the network adapter you're using. |
| 10:46.20 | stenno | thanks for your help anyway, i guess i just can't use my webcam with debian |
| 10:46.36 | gnugr | stenno:check if you have alsa-base installed |
| 10:46.48 | cnz | xingu, uumm yeah it's installed |
| 10:46.51 | stenno | i have |
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| 10:47.03 | valdyn | xingu: hes accessing samba 3.5.x share from windows 7. Theres a few issues in that setup requiring windows registry changes |
| 10:47.10 | jelly-home | stenno: does the camera show up in lsusb output instead? |
| 10:47.29 | cnz | valdyn, i thought you say changing the registry wouldnt matter? |
| 10:47.33 | xingu | valdyn: sure, I assumed he'd already done the registry fixes you pointed him at |
| 10:47.44 | gnugr | stenno: open alsamixer and check levels and devices |
| 10:48.07 | valdyn | cnz: yes, I thought so, but its probably wrong. *My* setup involves a samba pdc, which is a little different to your setup. Changes required could be the same though |
| 10:48.12 | cnz | xingu he pointed me to a fix but home premium doesn't have local policies or what ever |
| 10:48.28 | valdyn | cnz: http://nwlinux.com/access-samba-shares-with-windows7-professional/ |
| 10:48.41 | cnz | and I went into the registry to look for the keys and they dont excist |
| 10:48.44 | stenno | jelly-home, the device does not show in lsusb |
| 10:48.54 | cnz | valdyn yeah that's win7 pro im on home premium |
| 10:48.57 | valdyn | cnz: the keys have to be created if they are missing |
| 10:49.19 | stenno | cannot open mixer: No such file or directory |
| 10:49.39 | valdyn | cnz: home premium probably cant join a pdc, but it should be the same for accessing shares |
| 10:49.46 | xingu | valdyn: the 0x80004005 part was what I was chasing; google throws up http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-GB/w7itpronetworking/thread/c9f17816-9ef3-4249-98e6-5de990112d3d, which appears to branch to one of two remedies; re-installing the actual client component, and also mapping a share with a specific username rather than just attempting to browse (and sucking up win7's default pick for such) |
| 10:49.56 | stenno | ooh my sound doesn't work anymore |
| 10:50.03 | valdyn | xingu: its a very generic error |
| 10:50.06 | stenno | it did before the update |
| 10:50.10 | xingu | valdyn: evidently. :) |
| 10:50.17 | xingu | valdyn: the best sort - hex, and cryptic. |
| 10:50.23 | xingu | valdyn: oh, and multi-use. |
| 10:50.25 | valdyn | xingu: something like "failure with dll", utterly useless |
| 10:50.29 | xingu | nods |
| 10:50.51 | cnz | xingu was that info reguarding my issue? |
| 10:51.08 | xingu | valdyn: it's just as well OS's which are theoretically warrantied for hetrogenous environments have such great vendor support options available, neh? |
| 10:51.18 | valdyn | cnz: yes and no, the error code is relevant to your issue, but its to generic to be of much use |
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| 10:51.42 | cnz | i c |
| 10:52.25 | valdyn | cnz: put the smb.conf stuff into the global section and apply the registry changes carefully |
| 10:53.50 | gnugr | Stenno: no sound at all? |
| 10:54.04 | cnz | valdyn ok |
| 10:54.07 | stenno | no, but i had this problem before ... just installing the drivers |
| 10:54.37 | gnugr | what drivers |
| 10:54.44 | stenno | alsa-driver |
| 10:55.37 | gnugr | you mean alsa-source? |
| 10:56.29 | stenno | erm tbh i cannot remember where i got it, the folder with the sources is called alsa-driver-1.0.24 |
| 10:57.47 | stenno | it seems i got it from alsa-project.org |
| 10:58.05 | gnugr | stenno: please give this command as root " lsof /dev/snd/pcm*p /dev/dsp | awk ' { print $2 }' | xargs kill " |
| 10:58.35 | valdyn | cnz: see this too if you have no success yet: http://www.sevenforums.com/network-sharing/30539-samba-shares-home-premium.html |
| 10:58.44 | valdyn | cnz: after that im out and out of ideas. |
| 10:59.34 | cnz | k |
| 10:59.49 | SterNiX | hi, ever since i updated my xfce to 4.8 i cant get pseudo-transparent background in xfce, but everything is fine in lxde, can someone help? ive googled and couldn't find anything |
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| 11:00.00 | stenno | lsof: status error on /dev/snd/pcm*p: No such file or directory |
| 11:00.00 | stenno | lsof: status error on /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
| 11:00.00 | stenno | lsof 4.81 |
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| 11:00.17 | stenno | and the kill sends me a usage info |
| 11:00.54 | gnugr | that command is to give sound back |
| 11:01.16 | gnugr | you mixed thing up |
| 11:01.20 | gnugr | with sound |
| 11:01.30 | gnugr | things* even |
| 11:02.28 | stenno | i just copy-and-pasted what you wrote to me... |
| 11:02.50 | gnugr | can you remove that driver you got? |
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| 11:03.13 | stenno | how do i do that? >_>" |
| 11:03.19 | stenno | sorry for being dumb |
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| 11:03.59 | gnugr | if you remember drivers name |
| 11:04.23 | stenno | alsa-driver-1.0.24 |
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| 11:05.15 | gnugr | do " aptitude remove alsa-driver-1.0.24 " |
| 11:05.45 | stenno | i installed it from the source |
| 11:06.04 | gnugr | synaptic? |
| 11:07.55 | stenno | its lists stuff like 'alsa-base', 'alsa-oss', 'alsa-source'... |
| 11:08.13 | stenno | libasound2 |
| 11:08.26 | gnugr | get them all |
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| 11:09.07 | stenno | they are all the newest version |
| 11:09.37 | gnugr | yes but you said you had sound before that driver |
| 11:09.53 | stenno | i had sound before i did the upgrade |
| 11:10.08 | cnz | valdyn, no go |
| 11:10.14 | cnz | and that last link had nothing useful in it |
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| 11:10.45 | gnugr | normaly multimedia keyring must be accepted |
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| 11:10.49 | stenno | i had this problem before, and then i just installed the alsa-driver-1.0.24 i downloaded, and it worked again |
| 11:10.54 | stenno | hmm |
| 11:10.58 | stenno | damn it |
| 11:11.57 | stenno | installing the alsa-driver gave me: |
| 11:11.59 | stenno | WARNING!!! The mixer channels for the ALSA driver are muted by default!!! |
| 11:12.00 | stenno | ************************************************************************** |
| 11:12.00 | stenno | You would use some ALSA or OSS mixer to set the appropriate volume. |
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| 11:12.19 | stenno | but alsamixer says cannot open mixer |
| 11:12.21 | gnugr | stenno: use paste.debian.net |
| 11:12.26 | stenno | ok, sorry |
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| 11:18.23 | stenno | i should have informed you before that upgrading the system breaks the audio |
| 11:18.31 | stenno | i knew and expected it |
| 11:18.57 | gnugr | stenno: " aptitude install module-assistant " |
| 11:19.38 | gnugr | stenno: then use " m-a i-a alsa " |
| 11:19.40 | stenno | No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 11:20.12 | gnugr | are you as root? |
| 11:20.15 | cnz | valdyn, did you not have to do allt his to get yours working |
| 11:20.15 | chalcedony | my installation wants a file rtl_nic/rt18168d-1.fw is there some trick to getting it into the installation? |
| 11:20.22 | chalcedony | it won't finish installing without it |
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| 11:21.14 | chalcedony | if i put it on the usb, will it still see the debian? |
| 11:21.20 | stenno | yes i did that as root |
| 11:21.42 | stenno | btw, lspci lists my sound card as: |
| 11:21.43 | stenno | 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) (rev 40) |
| 11:22.49 | cnz | why does samba and windows 7 have to be so retarded and not work right iwth each other? |
| 11:23.22 | joeoshawa | well i got sound working |
| 11:23.36 | joeoshawa | i got headphones now |
| 11:23.48 | joeoshawa | no jacksense but hey they work |
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| 11:24.27 | Pegasus_RPG | Is there a backports channel? |
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| 11:25.03 | EmleyMoor | Pegasus_RPG: Don't know of one - what's the problem? |
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| 11:25.39 | gnugr | stenno: you can't add mutlimedia keyring,you can't install nothing else, seems that the prob is not only the sound |
| 11:25.50 | Pegasus_RPG | I'm trying to use xserver-xorg-input-synaptics from backports, so it wants to upgrade all of xserver-xorg. Fine. So I do. But now KDE goes back to the logon screen in the middle of logging in a user |
| 11:26.03 | stenno | gnugr, i found http://www.gentooforum.de/artikel/19891/alsa-einstellungen-verschwinden-regelm-ssig.html (german), i will follow that and see if i can get it working. when i installed it, i didn't specify --with-cards=hda-intel at configure |
| 11:26.07 | joeoshawa | if some things are working on someones sound and others not have them use hda analyzer |
| 11:26.16 | joeoshawa | its a great tool |
| 11:26.21 | Pegasus_RPG | I don't think the X server is actually crashing because the log doesn't start over from the beginngin when this happens |
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| 11:26.37 | cnz | xingu do you have any other ideas |
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| 11:26.42 | cnz | the reg edit fix doesn't work |
| 11:26.54 | Pegasus_RPG | but there's nothing useful in there, so how can I find out what's causing the problem? I did try creating a new user and logging in as them with the same result |
| 11:26.58 | Pegasus_RPG | EmleyMoor: ^^ |
| 11:27.59 | Pegasus_RPG | ...so it's not anything in the user profile/KDE settings |
| 11:28.15 | EmleyMoor | Pegasus_RPG: You're using kdm? |
| 11:28.27 | nvz | Pegasus_RPG: display manager keeps a log thats seperate from the X log |
| 11:28.34 | Pegasus_RPG | EmleyMoor: yes |
| 11:28.49 | gnugr | stenno:my opinion is that your debian installation has probs. Not correct installed |
| 11:29.08 | stenno | maybe my laptop hardware is just exotic? |
| 11:29.09 | stenno | hmm |
| 11:29.17 | EmleyMoor | Anything interesting in its log? I've never used kdm, in fact preferring a more gnome system on the whole... |
| 11:29.29 | stenno | i don't remember i got any problems there |
| 11:29.39 | stenno | i followed the graphical installer |
| 11:29.56 | gnugr | partitions? |
| 11:30.44 | Pegasus_RPG | EmleyMoor: hmm, the top of the Xserver log when it starts up appears in kdm.log during the crash |
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| 11:31.21 | Pegasus_RPG | and I see (EE) Unable to query/initialize Synaptics Hardware among other thigs |
| 11:31.47 | Pegasus_RPG | Also this package was apparently built on kernel 3.0.0-1 but I'm running 2.6.32-5. Is that a problem? |
| 11:32.41 | Pegasus_RPG | Oh here we go... /usr/lib/dri/r600_dri.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_noop_enable_warnings |
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| 11:33.03 | Pegasus_RPG | but the backport install process also upgraded xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 11:33.05 | Pegasus_RPG | so wtf |
| 11:33.22 | nvz | none of that matters, if you see the login screen the problem cannot be anything x server related |
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| 11:34.14 | Pegasus_RPG | nvz: not even the symbol lookup error? |
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| 11:34.39 | nvz | Pegasus_RPG: do you have any idea how often apps have that problem? heh |
| 11:34.49 | stenno | installing the drivers with --with-cards=hda-intel made the sound work again :D |
| 11:34.56 | nvz | if you see the login, X is running, it got over those errors |
| 11:35.18 | Pegasus_RPG | nvz: this stuff is in /var/log/kdm.log though |
| 11:35.28 | Pegasus_RPG | so where else can I look? |
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| 11:35.48 | nvz | Pegasus_RPG: do you see the login screen, and your display and input devices work? |
| 11:36.21 | Pegasus_RPG | nvz: yes, your point is understood. Where else might I look to find out why I can't log in? |
| 11:36.57 | nvz | Pegasus_RPG: well try to login.. heh.. stop the kdm service, login as your user, xinit and run startkde from the terminal |
| 11:37.15 | nvz | if its a problem with X or KDE it will tell you.. if not, then its kdm |
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| 11:39.26 | Pegasus_RPG | well that just gives me a black screen and CTRL-ALT-F1 does nothing |
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| 11:40.18 | Pegasus_RPG | I did find out that r600_dri.so is in libgl1-mesa-dri which is not in backports |
| 11:40.35 | valdyn | cnz: did you apply the fix from that 2nd link too ? |
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| 11:40.49 | Pegasus_RPG | hard-rebooting now and I'll try removing that package |
| 11:41.44 | Pegasus_RPG | nvz: Oh, didn't see your message above, so removing that might not help |
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| 11:42.51 | nvz | well that goes to show how tired I am.. I shutdown the machine running irc and didnt realize that it wasnt on this machine |
| 11:43.10 | nvz | forgot this was an ssh session |
| 11:43.50 | Pegasus_RPG | Oh...CTRL-Fanything doesn't work when starting X this way it seems |
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| 11:44.15 | nvz | use sysrq to kill it alt+sysrq+k |
| 11:44.24 | nvz | if its being a dick like that.. heh |
| 11:45.25 | Pegasus_RPG | no effect after startkde crashes |
| 11:45.31 | Pegasus_RPG | still blank screen |
| 11:45.51 | stenno | btw i wonder, i always used apt-get to install my packages from the repository, but now gnugr recommends aptitude to me ... what is the difference there? |
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| 11:46.27 | nvz | Pegasus_RPG: I didnt get the backstory here, what did you do and why? heh |
| 11:46.29 | Pegasus_RPG | nvz: heh, I had to put it to sleep and wake it up to get back the console |
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| 11:46.51 | Pegasus_RPG | nvz: I installed xserver-xorg-input-synaptics from backports to try to make this damn ClickPad useable |
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| 11:47.03 | Pegasus_RPG | it upgraded all of Xorg with it and now I can't log in |
| 11:47.18 | Pegasus_RPG | is otherwise running Stable |
| 11:47.32 | nvz | Pegasus_RPG: hmm..your touchpad didnt work? |
| 11:47.51 | Pegasus_RPG | not correctly |
| 11:48.08 | Pegasus_RPG | only left-click...there's stuff all over the net about Synaptics ClickPad issues |
| 11:48.51 | nvz | never heard the term clickpad before.. heh |
| 11:48.51 | Pegasus_RPG | Seems there are patches for it for SUSE but they apply to the synaptics driver version 1.99m later than what's in squeeze |
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| 11:50.17 | Pegasus_RPG | it's the new thing... multitouch gestures and stuff. I just want to right-click and mousewheel :P |
| 11:50.55 | Pegasus_RPG | nvz: ok, finally got my console view back and I see the same /usr/lib/dri/r600_dri.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_noop_enable_warnings and xinit: connection to X server lost |
| 11:51.35 | nvz | just read up on clickpad |
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| 11:52.20 | Pegasus_RPG | ok cool..removing libgl1-mesa-dri seems to have done the trick |
| 11:52.35 | Pegasus_RPG | so no 3D gfx for me :( |
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| 11:53.11 | Pegasus_RPG | brb, taking the machine to my wife to set the synaptics driver options to her liking |
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| 12:08.29 | chalcedony | in my setup its trying (i promise you, it is!) to make the usb drive / - what is it supposed to be? |
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| 12:09.56 | babilen | chalcedony: /media/FOO is commonly used (where FOO is the filesystem's label/uuid or a user defined name) -- What is "your setup" ? Mounting it as / is, well, suboptimal |
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| 12:10.54 | chalcedony | babilen, i think i selected it when i meant the 32 GB partition .. i do NOT want the usb as / - hence what can i select ? |
| 12:11.06 | babilen | select where? |
| 12:11.19 | chalcedony | the text installation setup |
| 12:13.01 | babilen | chalcedony: Select a partition you want to use as / - You typically install Debian to a harddrive on which you created various partitions. (/home / /var /usr ...) The setup depends on your needs and style |
| 12:13.48 | chalcedony | ty babilen yes.. i'm trying to do that, i goofed, and am wondering how to deselect the / on the usb |
| 12:14.27 | babilen | chalcedony: Just select the partition on the USB and change the "Use as" setting |
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| 12:15.09 | chalcedony | hmm is that an option |
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| 12:16.14 | muse04 | salut |
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| 12:17.56 | babilen | chalcedony: It should look something like http://wiki.debian.org/LennyIllustratedInstall#Partitioning -- See the "Use as" setting ? |
| 12:18.01 | muse04 | salut, j'ai besoin d'aide pour pouvoir installer sur Virtualbox, l'instalation du port Usb! |
| 12:18.13 | babilen | !fr |
| 12:18.13 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 12:18.53 | babilen | chalcedony: Note that this guide is for Lenny, but it looks more or less identical in squeeze |
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| 12:21.00 | chalcedony | babilen, it is similar but simpler |
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| 12:21.37 | mahsom | Hello |
| 12:21.40 | chalcedony | Mount point for this partition: /dos /windows /Enter Manually, /Do not mount it ? |
| 12:21.49 | mahsom | i can not start qemu ! |
| 12:21.53 | mahsom | this error : http://pastebin.com/DfZuQc1v |
| 12:22.48 | chalcedony | i have noticed that when one uses <go back> one sometimes gets more verbose or different screens |
| 12:22.56 | mahsom | i use virt-manager |
| 12:23.37 | chalcedony | so far the text installer has been most *entertaining* |
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| 12:25.05 | chalcedony | the usb thumb drive is not /dos or /windows. i'm not sure if Do not mount it applies, and if i enter manually what might one put? |
| 12:25.13 | nyuszika7h | Hi, is there any way to check which package provides a file (e.g. an executable binary, like applypatch)? |
| 12:25.46 | mahsom | and this error " Error creating virtual network: internal error '/sbin/iptables --table filter --delete INPUT --in-interface virbr0 --protocol udp --destination-port 69 --jump ACCEPT' exited with non-zero status 1 and signal 0: iptables: Bad rule (does a matching rule exist in that chain?)." |
| 12:26.26 | babilen | chalcedony: I wouldn't mount the usb stick by default -- but I have no idea what it is |
| 12:27.01 | chalcedony | babilen, i'm so grateful for your help (really) .. |
| 12:27.27 | babilen | chalcedony: No problem, you are welcome (so just select "Do no mount it" and carry on) |
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| 12:27.33 | chalcedony | maybe if i go to bed i will wake up and think of something .. wonder what happens if i call it a usb drive |
| 12:28.00 | chalcedony | yippie mount point none :) |
| 12:28.19 | chalcedony | bootable flag on?? |
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| 12:30.21 | babilen | chalcedony: The bootable flag has no meaning for linux whatsoever -- Just make sure that windows partition you want to boot from have it set. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boot_flag |
| 12:30.58 | chalcedony | babilen, i hope windows never touches this box, thank you for explaining :) |
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| 12:36.27 | eric357 | any Drupal-on-Debian experts around? |
| 12:36.49 | babilen | eric357: Assume yes and ask your real questions |
| 12:37.06 | eric357 | babilen: heh, thanks |
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| 12:40.43 | raven | gvfs does connect to bilbo.srv.welterde.de and googlecode.l.google.com - what is this doing? |
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| 12:41.31 | chalcedony | babilen, "No mount point is assigned for the fat32 file system in partition #1 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda). |
| 12:41.32 | chalcedony | If you do not go back to the partitioning menu and assign a mount point from there, this partition will not be used at all." |
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| 12:42.21 | babilen | chalcedony: exactly -- What information do you require to solve this problem? |
| 12:42.32 | eric357 | my customer's host is debian and drupal is set up for multiple sites. Drupal is in /usr/share/drupal6 - sites are in /etc/drupal/6/sites/<name> |
| 12:42.42 | eric357 | I need to force https on the site |
| 12:43.06 | eric357 | one way is to edit .htaccess - but it *seems* to be ignored |
| 12:43.45 | eric357 | the other way is to put it right in the drupal index.php file - but I don't have access to that |
| 12:44.41 | Dulak | eric357: if it's a tuned apache setup the rules are likely to be in the main apache configs, not in htaccess files, htaccess puts a lot of overhead on apache so many admins turn it off and only config from the main config files. |
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| 12:45.40 | chalcedony | babilen, i was just worried that it might not see the usb drive |
| 12:45.41 | eric357 | Dulak: other rules in the .htaccess file do work (like the rewrite from site.net to www.site.net |
| 12:46.43 | eric357 | Dulak: but the rule that sez: RewriteCond %{HTTPS} !=on does not seem to do anything |
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| 12:47.05 | babilen | chalcedony: Please tell me more about your setup. You want to install Debian to a single harddrive (sda) which is currently not being used for anything and you also have an USB stick plugged into the computer? You don't want to use the USB stick for anything and you want to use the entirety of sda for Debian. Is that correct so far? |
| 12:47.18 | eric357 | sorry, that's the condition - the rule just re-writes it: RewriteRule .* https://%{HTTP_HOST}%{REQUEST_URI} [L,R=301] |
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| 12:48.02 | chalcedony | babilen, yes, the usb is being used to provide the os, but isn't permanent. |
| 12:48.16 | babilen | chalcedony: You mean you install from USB? |
| 12:48.44 | chalcedony | babilen, yes, seems to have worked |
| 12:49.02 | Dulak | eric357: http://dpaste.com/665433/ |
| 12:49.05 | chalcedony | crossing fingers about how it works .. but yes |
| 12:49.20 | Dulak | eric357: that is what I use on my apache servers, it is working for me |
| 12:49.44 | babilen | chalcedony: Ok, thanks for clarifying that. The error message you quoted above essentially means that your harddrive (sda) has one partition (sda1) with a fat32 filesystem on it. That partition (no idea what it is) is *not* being used by Debian as of now. Is that what you want? |
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| 12:49.56 | eric357 | Dulak: Cool, I'll try it right now... |
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| 12:51.00 | RiotingPacifist | Is there a channel for help with aptitude (specifically the tui)? my problems are on kubuntu rather than debian but in the TUI all packages show up twice |
| 12:51.32 | chalcedony | babilen, yes, the fat32 was the appropriate format for installing debian via unetbootin (which if you don't know it, is quite nice) |
| 12:52.16 | babilen | chalcedony: untebootin is also known to be broken for Debian installs |
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| 12:52.29 | chalcedony | babilen, oh! |
| 12:52.31 | babilen | !tell chalcedony -about usb install |
| 12:53.29 | babilen | RiotingPacifist: Please ask in #ubuntu or #kubuntu if you are a *buntu user. Thank you. |
| 12:53.40 | eric357 | Dulak: okay, that seems to the do the same thing as my rule :-| |
| 12:53.56 | babilen | RiotingPacifist: I am not aware of any distro-agnostic channel as wel. |
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| 12:54.03 | babilen | well* |
| 12:54.39 | eric357 | Dulak: thanks for the help - it's something specific to this setup - I'm going to wait for the admin to wake up (they live in San Francisco) |
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| 12:54.54 | RiotingPacifist | thanks babilen |
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| 12:58.04 | Dulak | eric357: I don't use htaccess on my server, the syntax I use is in the main config, but not sure that makes a difference or not |
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| 13:03.24 | maleknet | how to Attach Detach usb device in command line ? |
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| 13:14.59 | mah454 | web control panel |
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| 13:21.20 | Max1082 | hi people |
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| 13:21.28 | cupetong | Hi |
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| 13:22.44 | Max1082 | I have a report to produce for uni and it's about debian and other bits. one of the stuff i need to do is: set up 4 users and 2 groups, set up access to one folder for group A and the other folder for group B. |
| 13:23.01 | Max1082 | I have no clue how to. can someone help me please??? |
| 13:23.37 | Max1082 | oh and it's got to be only command line... |
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| 13:24.01 | Max1082 | any volunteer?? |
| 13:24.16 | raven | gvfs does connect to bilbo.srv.welterde.de and googlecode.l.google.com - what is this doing? |
| 13:24.19 | cupetong | You can use chown,chmod,adduser tool |
| 13:24.41 | Max1082 | cupetong> step by step please and what does what? |
| 13:24.45 | cupetong | Max1082 |
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| 13:25.23 | Max1082 | cupetong>? |
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| 13:26.27 | Max1082 | ???? |
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| 13:28.10 | Max1082 | any help?? |
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| 13:28.34 | babilen | Max1082: Create your four users (read "man adduser" to learn how to do that), create two groups (read "man addgroup") and add users to those groups. (adduser again) -- Create two folders and change ownership/permissions accordingly (read "man chown" and "man chmod") |
| 13:28.44 | babilen | !tell Max1082 -about general cli tutorial |
| 13:29.01 | Max1082 | thanks babilen you legend!! |
| 13:29.02 | babilen | Max1082: This seems to be homework and I would strongly recommend to actually solve it. |
| 13:29.06 | babilen | ;) |
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| 13:46.51 | raven | gvfs does connect to bilbo.srv.welterde.de and googlecode.l.google.com - what is this doing? |
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| 14:02.57 | xqo | hi. I want to install Debian on a USB-stick, and i want the entire debian-installation to not be very big (less than 1gb). which version of debian should i download? |
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| 14:04.10 | Max1082 | babilen> do i need to create user groups or system groups?? |
| 14:04.22 | babilen | xqo: Look at http://live.debian.net/manual/html/customizing-run-time-behaviours.en.html#516 |
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| 14:04.44 | xqo | babilen, ok thank you |
| 14:04.47 | abrotman | xqo: use the netinst .. when it prompts you with tasksel, don't choose anything .. start from there |
| 14:05.28 | Max1082 | babilen>what? |
| 14:05.30 | babilen | Max1082: I don't quite follow |
| 14:06.03 | Max1082 | in the man that you directed me to, it says about creating user groups and then about creating system groups |
| 14:06.07 | Max1082 | what to choose? |
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| 14:07.29 | babilen | Max1082: user group |
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| 14:07.50 | Max1082 | ok thanks! |
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| 14:41.07 | Max1082 | babilen> are you still there?? |
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| 14:42.19 | Max1082 | does anyone know a way to add several users in one line? can I type-in 'adduser UserA, UserB, UserC, UserD' for example??? |
| 14:42.47 | Max1082 | ?? |
| 14:43.40 | qdb | hello. if i move my servers from ubuntu 9 10 to fresh installed debian 6 03 , what steps i should make. dpkg get selections ... then i copy var folder, etc folder, home folder to new system. and several php scripts in usr ... local ... . then reinstall al packages whit dpkg .... set selections ? (i have forgot it) |
| 14:43.54 | Max1082 | babilen> do you know if I can? |
| 14:44.12 | qdb | by servers i mean web server, mysql, ejabberd, postfix, icecast2 |
| 14:45.01 | Max1082 | ?? |
| 14:45.24 | qdb | reinstalling packages do not overwrite configs in etc or asks ? |
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| 14:47.39 | Max1082 | can someone reply me please? |
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| 14:50.42 | raven | gvfs does connect to bilbo.srv.welterde.de and googlecode.l.google.com - what is this doing? |
| 14:52.04 | Max1082 | Guys?! |
| 14:52.14 | qdb | dpkg get selections shows some packages as "deinstall" what does it mean? |
| 14:52.15 | dpkg | qdb: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 14:52.21 | Max1082 | How to add several users in one line?? |
| 14:52.50 | stew | Max1082: "for user in Usera Userb Userc ; do adduser $user ; done" ? |
| 14:53.26 | qdb | of course i should read mans |
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| 14:53.33 | Max1082 | >stew what do you mean? adduser UserA ; UserB ; UserC ??? |
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| 14:54.06 | stew | Max1082: i mean, here is a line which would add several users in one line: "for user in Usera Userb Userc ; do adduser $user ; done" |
| 14:54.27 | stew | Max1082: adduser cannot do this on its own, that is a loop that calls adduser once for each user in the list |
| 14:54.33 | Max1082 | why for user?? |
| 14:54.46 | Max1082 | like a java loop? |
| 14:54.55 | stew | Max1082: why not? do you want a while loop instead of a for loop? |
| 14:55.08 | stew | Max1082: java? i guess |
| 14:55.10 | Max1082 | no, nothing. just adding users |
| 14:55.48 | stew | Max1082: if you are a java programmer i guess this is the equiv to "for( User user : new User[] { user1, user2, user3 } ) adduser user" |
| 14:55.55 | stew | but this is in sh |
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| 14:56.36 | Max1082 | ok cool, so no really a way to add several just by typing ; in between each users? |
| 14:57.05 | stew | Max1082: sure, you can do "adduser user1 ; adduser user3 ; adduser user3" |
| 14:57.21 | Max1082 | ah ok I can like that then? |
| 14:58.25 | stew | you can like that |
| 14:58.43 | Max1082 | alright thanks! |
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| 14:59.32 | Max1082 | > stew little problem, it says this: adduser: Please enter a username matching the regular expression configured |
| 14:59.32 | Max1082 | via the NAME_REGEX configuration variable. Use the `--force-badname' |
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| 15:00.25 | Max1082 | what does that mean? |
| 15:00.49 | PrickelPit | Max1082, try adduser a && adduser b && adduser c.... |
| 15:01.25 | PrickelPit | and for a guy at the university this should be worked out by google in less than 10 minutes :p |
| 15:01.34 | Max1082 | is it because my user names start with a capital? |
| 15:02.29 | Max1082 | it's not && btw PrickelPit!!! |
| 15:03.42 | PrickelPit | Max1082, works fine for me :) |
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| 15:04.13 | Max1082 | nah |
| 15:04.56 | Max1082 | i just wonder if I need to put adduser UserA--force-badname ? |
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| 15:06.15 | babilen | Max1082: Usernames should adhere to the regular expression "^[a-z][-a-z0-9_]*\$" (configured in /etc/adduser.conf) |
| 15:06.22 | raven | gvfs does connect to bilbo.srv.welterde.de and googlecode.l.google.com - what is this doing? |
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| 15:06.27 | babilen | Max1082: You *should* use standard usernames :) |
| 15:06.44 | PrickelPit | maybe you should use exclamation marks behind your commandline, should work for you *g* |
| 15:07.15 | babilen | raven: You might want to provide more information about this, instead of repeating the same line every few minutes :) |
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| 15:11.01 | qdb | i can upgrade from 9 10 to 10 04 3 in ubuntu. can debian upgrade similar way (automatically) for example from debian 4 to debian 6 (was not heer debian 5? ) ? though once i tried ubuntu upgrade i had seen problems. |
| 15:11.19 | Max1082 | >babilen what are the standard usernames?? |
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| 15:12.22 | babilen | Max1082: Those that adhere to the regular expression I mentioned (i.e. start with a-z, no uppercase, ...) |
| 15:12.36 | Max1082 | alright sorry thanks |
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| 15:13.10 | babilen | qdb: I don't quite understand your question, but you can upgrade Debian from one release to the *next* |
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| 15:13.35 | qdb | babilen, i mean that, thank you |
| 15:14.38 | Max1082 | crap, i made a mistake. how do i delete a user and it's home directory?? |
| 15:14.41 | Max1082 | please? |
| 15:14.45 | qdb | babilen, does apache work during upgrade? |
| 15:14.46 | babilen | qdb: Note that you shouldn't skip releases those. So if you want to upgrade from sarge to squeeze you would upgrade to lenny first |
| 15:14.57 | qdb | ok |
| 15:15.16 | babilen | Max1082: "man deluser" (surprise!) |
| 15:15.21 | Max1082 | LOL |
| 15:15.26 | Max1082 | please tell me |
| 15:15.32 | babilen | I did |
| 15:15.48 | qdb | does apache work shutting down temorarily when upgrades itself , or does not work during all upgrade? |
| 15:16.42 | babilen | qdb: It will reload its configuration during the upgrade -- this happens at a specific point during the whole upgrade (in particular when the apache packages are upgraded) |
| 15:16.53 | qdb | apache is just example, i can say whether desktop and applications are usable. |
| 15:17.02 | Max1082 | how do you exit man? |
| 15:17.04 | Max1082 | :-( |
| 15:17.10 | Max1082 | sorry im new to this still |
| 15:17.15 | qdb | Max1082, "q" |
| 15:17.23 | Max1082 | ta |
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| 15:17.41 | babilen | qdb: It typically is a very good idea not to upgrade from within a running X session, but to use a screen session on the console. Please follow the release notes of the release you are upgrading to. |
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| 15:17.55 | babilen | !tell Max1082 -about general cli tutorial |
| 15:17.58 | Max1082 | LOL |
| 15:18.07 | qdb | babilen, than you |
| 15:18.10 | babilen | Max1082: I would suggest to read some of those as well as the Debian reference. |
| 15:18.11 | qdb | thank |
| 15:18.22 | babilen | !tell Max1082 -about reference |
| 15:18.28 | Max1082 | i did deluser usera--remove-all-files but the directory still exists ?! weird |
| 15:20.04 | Max1082 | done it with rm -rf usera !! |
| 15:20.07 | Max1082 | im champion!! |
| 15:20.13 | babilen | Max1082: You are missing a space there and you most likely want "--remove-home" and not "--remove-all-files" |
| 15:20.42 | Max1082 | dunno thats what man deluser said |
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| 15:23.59 | phlogisto | Max1082: this is from the man page "--remove-home Remove the home directory of the user and its mailspool. If --backup is specified, the files are deleted after having performed the backup." |
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| 15:25.12 | Max1082 | ah ok |
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| 15:32.27 | JodaZ | can i mount a nfs share from behind a nat ? |
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| 15:34.56 | technologov | JodaZ, AFAIK yes |
| 15:35.20 | JodaZ | technologov, do i need to tunnel or will it "just work" (tm) ? |
| 15:35.32 | technologov | should work... |
| 15:35.41 | technologov | just work |
| 15:35.57 | JodaZ | ok, thanks |
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| 15:39.47 | sfsf32 | hello |
| 15:40.36 | sfsf32 | i have a problem with icedove: when i right click on a link and choose "open link in a browser" nothing happen |
| 15:40.38 | Max1082 | am I right to think that to add 2 groups I can do: addgroup groupa ; addgroup groupb ?? |
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| 15:41.08 | Max1082 | ?? |
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| 15:42.26 | sfsf32 | i looked at the file /etc/icedove/pref/icedove.js and it says to use x-www-browser as default browser, and x-www-browser is set as iceweasel |
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| 15:43.45 | Max1082 | am I right to think that to add 2 groups I can do: addgroup groupa ; addgroup groupb ?? |
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| 15:44.53 | Max1082 | can someone tell me pls? |
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| 15:46.05 | Max1082 | ??????????? |
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| 15:46.37 | rly | Are there any local root exploits known for Debian? |
| 15:46.46 | nkuttler | Max1082: why don't you just try it? |
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| 15:47.00 | Max1082 | why can't you just tell me? |
| 15:47.28 | sfsf32 | i have a problem with icedove: when i right click on a link and choose "open link in a browser" nothing happen |
| 15:47.32 | sfsf32 | i looked at the file /etc/icedove/pref/icedove.js and it says to use x-www-browser as default browser, and x-www-browser is set as iceweasel |
| 15:47.36 | rly | Or: how can I give someone access to the X server remotely via ssh without allowing that person to see any of the other files on the system (except for system files and libraries)? |
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| 15:48.17 | nkuttler | sfsf32: iceweasel is installed, yes? |
| 15:48.22 | _Sam-- | what would make "man less" or any other "man command" not return any pages? all the man pages are fine in /usr/share/man/man* |
| 15:48.39 | sfsf32 | nkuttler, installed and working |
| 15:48.51 | Max1082 | Oi Oi? |
| 15:49.02 | nkuttler | rly: vnc.. but if they can run x apps they can run a terminal.. |
| 15:49.10 | nkuttler | sfsf32: and there's no new tab? |
| 15:49.28 | sfsf32 | nkuttler, no, nothing happens |
| 15:49.36 | nkuttler | sfsf32: hm, output of x-www-browser --version ? |
| 15:50.05 | sfsf32 | nkuttler, Mozilla Iceweasel 8.0 |
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| 15:50.57 | nkuttler | sfsf32: no idea then. look if icedove has a debug option i guess. or change the browser setting manually |
| 15:51.15 | rly | nkuttler: the whole point is to give them a shell. |
| 15:51.30 | rly | nkuttler: so, what vnc is going to help with that is beyond me. |
| 15:51.35 | sfsf32 | nkuttler, why try to change browser setting? |
| 15:51.53 | nkuttler | rly: well you said you want them to have access to x |
| 15:52.09 | nkuttler | rly: what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 15:52.48 | zykotick9 | nkuttler, unfortunately icedove (thunderbird) has close to no debugging/verbose output information at all :( |
| 15:52.55 | rly | nkuttler: I just want to give some strangers access to my machine without them being able to read anything under /home that already exists. |
| 15:53.04 | rly | nkuttler: so, basically no information leakage. |
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| 15:53.24 | nkuttler | rly: just set the permissions correctly |
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| 16:07.10 | Max1082 | guys, how do you add an existing user to an existing group?? |
| 16:07.12 | Max1082 | please??? |
| 16:07.29 | llutz | Max1082: man adduser (adduser user group) |
| 16:07.38 | lstarnes | or gpasswd |
| 16:07.44 | Max1082 | i looked but not sure how |
| 16:08.34 | Max1082 | pls help anyone?? |
| 16:08.51 | zykotick9 | Max1082, llutz just showed you "adduser username groupname" |
| 16:09.05 | Max1082 | really? that simple?? |
| 16:09.17 | lstarnes | or gpasswd -a user group |
| 16:09.19 | lstarnes | yes. |
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| 16:09.25 | llutz | or usermod -aG group user |
| 16:09.28 | _Sam-- | what would cause man pages to stop displaying, if the man command is working fine, and the pages exist? |
| 16:09.49 | _Sam-- | root@flexiserver:/var/lib/dpkg/info# man man |
| 16:09.50 | _Sam-- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:14.25 | _Sam-- | manpath / mandb fine |
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| 16:16.18 | _Sam-- | tried mandb -c to recreate , and it craeted fine....but "man anycommand" still gets nothing back |
| 16:16.28 | _Sam-- | 66 man subdirectories contained newer manual pages. |
| 16:16.28 | _Sam-- | 4402 manual pages were added. |
| 16:16.50 | lstarnes | does less still work? |
| 16:17.09 | _Sam-- | yes. |
| 16:17.18 | lstarnes | and PAGER is set to less? |
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| 16:17.34 | _Sam-- | echo $PAGER ? |
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| 16:17.38 | lstarnes | yes |
| 16:17.47 | _Sam-- | returns blank |
| 16:17.59 | lstarnes | that's why. try PAGER=less man man |
| 16:18.19 | lstarnes | if that works, add this to .bashrc: PAGER=less; export PAGER |
| 16:18.50 | _Sam-- | no go. |
| 16:18.51 | _Sam-- | root@flexiserver:/usr/share/man/man1# export PAGER=less |
| 16:18.51 | _Sam-- | root@flexiserver:/usr/share/man/man1# echo $PAGER |
| 16:18.51 | _Sam-- | less |
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| 16:19.00 | _Sam-- | root@flexiserver:/usr/share/man/man1# man man |
| 16:19.00 | _Sam-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.19 | _Sam-- | root@flexiserver:/usr/share/man/man1# export PAGER=less |
| 16:19.20 | lstarnes | weird |
| 16:19.28 | _Sam-- | root@flexiserver:/usr/share/man/man1# echo $PAGER |
| 16:19.28 | _Sam-- | less |
| 16:19.29 | lstarnes | you don't need to paste the commands here |
| 16:19.32 | _Sam-- | sry |
| 16:19.59 | simonlnu | besides, it gets you kicked, too |
| 16:20.11 | _Sam-- | lol. |
| 16:20.16 | lstarnes | I'm really not sure what is causing this |
| 16:20.19 | _Sam-- | yeah, my fault, i didnt think it was pastebin worthy. |
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| 16:20.36 | lstarnes | if it's more than two lines, pastebin |
| 16:20.57 | _Sam-- | even if i navigate to the man1 directory -- and i can see all the man page there... |
| 16:21.07 | _Sam-- | if i do man ./some-man-page.gz.1 same thing |
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| 16:23.12 | _Sam-- | and if i unzip and "less" the same file -- its all there fine. |
| 16:24.37 | _Sam-- | simonlnu: cmon, you're ALWAYS the answer man -- throw me a bone here. |
| 16:26.19 | _Sam-- | man.conf and manpath.config all look fine. |
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| 16:28.34 | nuvoletta | hi |
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| 16:32.34 | _Sam-- | man -k anycommand works. man anycommand does not. |
| 16:33.25 | _Sam-- | man -w is also fine. |
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| 16:35.45 | pippo | ciao |
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| 16:36.24 | simonlnu | sounds like zless is borked. and no, i'm not ;) |
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| 16:37.50 | DarkJustice | Anyone that can help troubleshoot an API mismatch issue on Debian Squeeze? I've installed the 195.36.31 driver and kernel-dkms for nvidia but when it is telling me that the kernel module is version 256.53 |
| 16:38.45 | simonlnu | unset some env. vars. you can see them with printenv.. maybe one of them is interfering and needs checking |
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| 16:40.36 | DarkJustice | oh, sorry, should have added, before the upgrade to squeeze, I had tried to manually install the nvidia drivers, so apt and synaptic didn't apparently remove the old kernel module, how do I go about finding that and removing it? |
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| 16:41.07 | Max1082 | guys, how do you make a folder accessible by a user group A but not by a user group B ?? please?? |
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| 16:41.26 | Xase | http://pastebin.com/K4ydZZUM I'm all of a sudden getting this error, and many server certificate failures two hours after running sudo date any correlation? |
| 16:41.56 | Max1082 | ?? |
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| 16:42.00 | Xase | I keep getting yelled at by ice weasel and apt-get about expirations. |
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| 16:42.57 | kla | Xase, which date is your computer set to? (?) |
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| 16:43.37 | Xase | OH MY GOD. |
| 16:43.41 | Xase | ... you know. |
| 16:43.51 | Xase | I just figured it out based of that question kla... |
| 16:43.56 | Xase | I set it to 2012 o.o |
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| 16:44.11 | ChibaPet | Hey, when did the non-free repository come about? I'm curious but not seeing anything on Google that's leading me to it. |
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| 16:45.25 | kla | Xase, lol good |
| 16:45.32 | Xase | kla I thank you humbly for pointint out my simple error. :) |
| 16:45.38 | Max1082 | guys, how do you make a folder accessible by a user group A but not by a user group B ?? please?? |
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| 16:46.53 | _Sam-- | simonlnu : all of the stuff in printenv is fine. zless is working fine -- gzipped a text file, and 'zlessed' it fine. |
| 16:46.54 | dvs | Max1082: You really need to start reading up on unix administration |
| 16:47.17 | Max1082 | no time now, please tell me |
| 16:47.24 | dvs | *plonk* |
| 16:47.25 | _Sam-- | Max1082 : man chown |
| 16:47.54 | Max1082 | just tell me how to use this command for the case I have explained please. very little time |
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| 16:48.14 | Max1082 | dvs> i dont a lecture from you! |
| 16:48.15 | _Sam-- | if you're not willing to help yourself somewhat, im not sure that others will be willing either. |
| 16:48.38 | Max1082 | I will but just dont have enough time and got to do this quick |
| 16:48.46 | _Sam-- | its a very simple command to learn. 5 mintues or less. |
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| 16:48.53 | _Sam-- | chown / chgrp |
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| 16:50.22 | Max1082 | I need to make folder1 accessible by groupA but not by groupB and folder2 accessible by groupB but not by groupA |
| 16:51.03 | Max1082 | can someone help me with this please? |
| 16:51.54 | Max1082 | pretty please with a cherry on top |
| 16:52.29 | DarkJustice | so chown folder1 groupA |
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| 16:52.39 | kla | Max1082, chgrp + chmod 070 enjoy |
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| 16:53.12 | Max1082 | i just type chown folder1 groupA ??? or chgrp + chmod 070 ?? |
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| 16:53.54 | DarkJustice | it's *nix you can do it many ways, I go simplified for me and do like chown folder1 groupA |
| 16:53.57 | Max1082 | which one?? |
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| 16:54.20 | DarkJustice | and then chown folder2 groupB |
| 16:54.44 | Max1082 | and that gives access only to the group that chown is set to?? |
| 16:55.33 | DarkJustice | that makes them owner of the folder, if you want don't want anyone else to even view the folder then you'll have to chmod it as well |
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| 16:56.17 | Max1082 | so the the group can see the folder but not get in it? is that right?? |
| 16:56.23 | _Sam-- | simonlnu : is there anyway to do somthing like this ? zcat telnet.1.gz > man |
| 16:58.06 | Max1082 | darkjustice> ? |
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| 16:58.37 | DarkJustice | ok screw nvidia, gonna use nouveau |
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| 16:58.55 | dvs | !beer DarkJustice |
| 16:58.56 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Jever for DarkJustice |
| 16:59.09 | DarkJustice | thanks dvs I need it |
| 16:59.16 | DarkJustice | stupid video drivers |
| 16:59.29 | DarkJustice | and now I can't get rid of the old manual install attempt of nvidia |
| 17:00.05 | Max1082 | DarkJustice> it says: root@Maxdebian:/home# chown folder1 groupa |
| 17:00.05 | Max1082 | chown: invalid user: `folder1' |
| 17:00.06 | boodie | Hi, I have a problem with my KDE wm (stable) ... it disappeared from kdm session |
| 17:00.34 | lstarnes | Max1082: other way around. also you want chgrp not chown |
| 17:00.50 | Max1082 | lstarnes> how?? |
| 17:01.00 | lstarnes | Max1082: chgrp GROUP DIR |
| 17:01.33 | boodie | and gnome never worked ... I am quite fine with Wimndow Maker, but the two w. managers are there, occupying space & not working ... it annoys a bit |
| 17:01.39 | lstarnes | _Sam--: zcat /usr/share/man/man1/echo.1.gz | groff -Tascii -man | less |
| 17:01.51 | Max1082 | lstarnes> if i type chgrp groupa folder1 / does that mean that ONLY groupA will be able to access folder1??? |
| 17:02.14 | _Sam-- | lstarnes : wokrs perfectly -- thanks. now if only MAN would do that. |
| 17:02.20 | lstarnes | Max1082: it depends on the permissions. all it actually means is that groupa is the owninng group |
| 17:02.24 | _Sam-- | i guess i could alias it in my bash_profile |
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| 17:02.39 | lstarnes | _Sam--: try reinstalling man or rerunning man-db |
| 17:02.46 | _Sam-- | lstarnes : tried both already. |
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| 17:02.52 | Max1082 | lstarnes > as I said I need to give access to folder1 ONLY to groupA ? help |
| 17:03.03 | lstarnes | Max1082: chmod 0070 FOLDER1 |
| 17:03.24 | Max1082 | lstarnes > where in this does it say groupa?? |
| 17:03.27 | lstarnes | Max1082: it should almost certainly or 0770 so that the owning user can also access |
| 17:03.50 | lstarnes | Max1082: chmod doesn't need to know about the groups. chown and chgrp already take care of setting the owning user and group |
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| 17:06.06 | lstarnes | Max1082: does it make sense? |
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| 17:08.01 | _Sam-- | lstarnes : would this work, or maybe you can show me the light? alias man='zcat /usr/share/man/man1/$MAN_OPTIONS | groff -Tascii -man | less' |
| 17:08.06 | eni23 | hello. has someone experience with pxeboot and an alix board. im stucking. here is a serial-console-log: http://pastebin.com/SKvDqUMU i get an ip etc but it stops and when i press a key alix reboots |
| 17:08.56 | Max1082 | no sure... |
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| 17:09.19 | Max1082 | what does the command chmod 0070 folder1 actually do? |
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| 17:09.32 | simonlnu | man chmod |
| 17:10.00 | Max1082 | am i talking to you ?? >simonlnu |
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| 17:10.07 | _Sam-- | what a tool. |
| 17:10.13 | simonlnu | no, but i'm talking to you |
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| 17:10.19 | Max1082 | great |
| 17:10.27 | simonlnu | i don't need permission to do so |
| 17:10.30 | yann_ | hello... been spending the last two hours trying to mount the raw image of a freebsd install disk (pfSense-memstick.img) to change a file... if anyone has got a clue, that'd greatly help :( |
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| 17:11.17 | Max1082 | lstarnes> can you please just explain that command chmod 0070 folder1 ?? |
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| 17:12.11 | Justin | yann_: what type of file does file say it is? |
| 17:12.24 | simonlnu | Max1082: first, you need to get that correct. second, you need to understand octal permissions. hence, man chmod. |
| 17:12.26 | _Sam-- | yann yann: file pfSense-memstick.img |
| 17:12.30 | Max1082 | lastarnes ? |
| 17:12.43 | yann_ | it's a raw image that gets copied to a usb stick using dd, it contains a partition table |
| 17:12.56 | _Sam-- | once you find out the filesystem then you can understand how to mount it. |
| 17:13.16 | yann_ | it actually contains a "recursive partition" so I'm not sure if they mean extended bios partition by that |
| 17:13.20 | _Sam-- | yann_: file pfSense-memstick.img |
| 17:13.23 | Max1082 | yeah i get that but as I said many times now, I havent got enough time now to go through all that. I just need to make it work that's why i need you guys help |
| 17:13.49 | _Sam-- | the first part of what's returned should show you the filesystem info for the .img file |
| 17:13.57 | yann_ | _Sam--, http://pastebin.com/diijYbR6 |
| 17:14.30 | Max1082 | so? |
| 17:14.42 | Justin | yann_: pastbin is not needd for a single line of output |
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| 17:15.41 | yann_ | sorry... well then: pfSense-memstick.img: x86 boot sector; partition 4: ID=0xa5, active, starthead 0, startsector 0, 50000 sectors, code offset 0x3c, BSD disklabel :) |
| 17:15.42 | Max1082 | so if I got this right: i need to first do chgrp groupa folder1 then chmod 0070 folder1 is that right??? |
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| 17:16.18 | Max1082 | ????????? |
| 17:16.42 | simonlnu | Max1082: for group edit you need to set it 0770 not 0070. and please leave out the extra ?, it's not needed. |
| 17:16.43 | au| | well this is a little embarrassing. I just installed debian 6 and it says that my root password is incorrect at login and su - I am 100% percent sure that it's not though |
| 17:16.50 | au| | I use the same one everytime |
| 17:16.51 | _Sam-- | yann_: thats going to be a little more difficult, i think. |
| 17:16.58 | _Sam-- | you might might need to figure out the offsets values |
| 17:17.22 | nkuttler | !tell au| about i forgot root's password |
| 17:17.26 | simonlnu | Max1082: you can also set it setgid, which would m,ake any subsequent dirs made in that dir also that group, which you might want. man chmod for details. |
| 17:17.42 | Justin | _Sam--: partx can do that for you |
| 17:18.07 | yann_ | _Sam--, I actually copied it to a usb disk, fdisk returns something I've never seen before http://pastebin.com/mYCvhUgw |
| 17:18.12 | _Sam-- | Justin: could he just use something like mount -o loop something.img mnt |
| 17:18.18 | au| | nkuttler: if I do the install again it still says incorrect |
| 17:18.30 | simonlnu | Max1082: 2770 would be setgid, user/group rwx |
| 17:18.38 | au| | this never happened to me in debian 5, only 6 |
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| 17:19.07 | yann_ | I do get a /deb/sdb4, but no /dev/sdb4p4 though |
| 17:19.22 | Max1082 | I just want groupA to be able to access folder1 and no other group ! thats it! can you explain? I dont need anything else |
| 17:19.42 | Justin | Max1082: you could have search google for a basic chmod/chown explanation by now |
| 17:20.02 | Max1082 | i have but it doesnt tell what i need to do for this case |
| 17:20.13 | simonlnu | Max1082: ... |
| 17:20.16 | _Sam-- | yann_: i am no means sure if this will even work: but you could try mount -o loop /path/to/pfSense-memstick.img /where/you/want/to/mount/it |
| 17:20.18 | Justin | yann_: freebsd uses 'slices' |
| 17:20.21 | Max1082 | can someone just tell me or you lot just don't know?? |
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| 17:20.52 | twiggz | anyone tried running freebsd on a macbook pro? |
| 17:20.59 | twiggz | intel corei7 |
| 17:21.00 | Justin | twiggz: try #freebsd ? |
| 17:21.08 | yann_ | _Sam--, I guess I'd need a loop device, but with some offset to the correct partition |
| 17:21.13 | twiggz | oh shit, sorry, macirssi is confusing to me. |
| 17:21.14 | _Sam-- | Max1082 : i have a feeling many people know.... but you will learn you catch more flies with honey, than with SH*T |
| 17:21.23 | twiggz | i need to get rid of this osx nonsense |
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| 17:21.44 | simonlnu | Max1082: we've been telling you for the past hour. |
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| 17:22.20 | simonlnu | now, go actually absorb what we've been telling you instead of acting like a chicken with its head cut off. |
| 17:22.38 | Max1082 | SAm> I have phrased my question many different ways and the answers I get are not what I need to get it work. |
| 17:23.08 | Max1082 | simonlu > can you please just tell me what to type in to make this work? that's all i need |
| 17:23.29 | _Sam-- | Max1082 : files and directories are controlled by permissions that control which groups, and which users can do what. the root of understanding how all that does things is understading permsissions and chown. |
| 17:23.32 | yann_ | Justin, you think I got a chance to mount it on linux? |
| 17:23.50 | Max1082 | code line please |
| 17:24.08 | simonlnu | *plonk* |
| 17:24.19 | Max1082 | I don't need to understand it for now Sam. no time. just need to make it work |
| 17:24.22 | Justin | Max1082: I think you are in the wrong line of work |
| 17:24.41 | Max1082 | spare me your ledcture justin and tellk me what to type in |
| 17:24.52 | eni23 | why the alix2 board is restart if i send a key via serial console and not loading pxeboot.1? |
| 17:24.56 | au| | Max1082: chown user:group /file/location - I think that's what you're after |
| 17:24.59 | Justin | yann_: it might be easier in the end to boot a freebsd live image in a VM and mount it there |
| 17:25.02 | eni23 | damn im triing for 4 hours now |
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| 17:25.22 | kla | Max1082, you're tho who keeps asking for explanations - Ooo i wanna know how this works first |
| 17:25.31 | Max1082 | au| thanks!!!!! what permission will this give to who then?# |
| 17:25.45 | au| | Max1082: perhaps just chown :grouphere /location/here |
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| 17:25.54 | yann_ | Justin, actually it is a live freebsd system, maybe i can edit itself :) |
| 17:26.04 | Max1082 | au| so you don't really know? |
| 17:26.07 | _Sam-- | Max1082 : i dont know wy im feeling helpful, maybe just tired of hearing your nonsense... chgrp folderA groupA then chmod 770 folderA |
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| 17:26.33 | Max1082 | Sam > will that give access to group A only??? |
| 17:26.44 | kla | Max1082, yes |
| 17:26.45 | _Sam-- | sorry -- chgrp groupA folderA then chmod 770 folderA |
| 17:26.47 | specing | Max1082: Max1082 TIAS |
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| 17:28.09 | _Sam-- | (you're welcome, PLEASE be gone now!) |
| 17:28.20 | Max1082 | Sam> so why didn't you just say that ages ago?? |
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| 17:28.28 | Justin | Max1082: you were told that ages ago. |
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| 17:28.49 | Justin | Max1082: you were demanding people 'explain' it to you |
| 17:28.59 | _Sam-- | Max1082 : becaus MOST normal , sane, people would like to actually laern something , rather than know nothing. |
| 17:29.02 | Max1082 | NO I wasn't |
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| 17:29.09 | _Sam-- | and it would have taken you 2 minutes to man chown and man chgrp |
| 17:29.10 | Max1082 | just wanted to know what to put in |
| 17:29.15 | _Sam-- | as you can see -- they were not complicated commands. |
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| 17:29.39 | Justin | Max1082: 12:09 < Max1082> what does the command chmod 0070 |
| 17:29.59 | Max1082 | SAm> why you lot always act so smug and just dont want to help from the beginning |
| 17:30.07 | Max1082 | Piss off Justin |
| 17:30.15 | Justin | Max1082: because you are acting like an entitled child. |
| 17:30.35 | _Sam-- | Max1082 : exactly what justin said. when you come in here demanding answers and command line examples...you see where you get. |
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| 17:30.40 | Max1082 | thanks for your help, the people that gave me the info. but the other twats can fuck off!!! |
| 17:30.44 | _Sam-- | if you would have been like "HEY can someone help me, please" |
| 17:30.58 | Max1082 | I have actually!!! |
| 17:31.00 | Max1082 | idiot |
| 17:31.04 | Justin | wow. |
| 17:31.27 | eni23 | nobody can help me with an alix2 board? |
| 17:31.38 | Justin | eni23: where did you get the board from? |
| 17:32.05 | specing | eni23: what about it? which one? (I have 2d13) |
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| 17:32.06 | eni23 | eni23: from work ka it was a router based on monowall |
| 17:32.18 | eni23 | specing: how can i find out |
| 17:32.21 | Max1082 | eni23 . good luck with that! they're so far up their own arses here! unless you're a complete nerd and want to struggle for ages before they give you the slightest bit of information |
| 17:33.21 | drzeke | whats the problem eni23? |
| 17:33.31 | specing | eni23: open up pcengines.ch and look which one fits the description |
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| 17:33.40 | eni23 | drzeke: it does not load pxeboot |
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| 17:34.18 | specing | eni23: are you booting from eth0? |
| 17:34.29 | specing | I think it only works there |
| 17:35.22 | drzeke | that sound strange, what is your network configuration like |
| 17:35.30 | eni23 | i got a alix2d13 . yes i booting from eth0. it gets me an ip and everything but wont enter pelinux menu. just waits. if i press a key in the console it reboots |
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| 17:36.36 | eni23 | i have a wrt45gl with tomato firmware. i plugged everything there and the setup (also dns) is correct in my eyes |
| 17:36.44 | _Sam-- | lstarnes : do you have any idea who i might alias the zcat | command to fix my man problem? |
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| 17:36.52 | _Sam-- | s/who/how |
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| 17:37.24 | ompaul | Max1082: might I advise you that you are standing up like a tall poppy, life is hard, get used to it. chown user:group folder-called-stuff then chmod 770 folder-called-stuff but ... you might want to type man chmod and man chown to find out if -R or -r is for recursive --- as for you thinking you are entitled to anything bah! |
| 17:37.26 | specing | eni23: Can you pastebin what it prints on serial? |
| 17:38.00 | Max1082 | fuck you! |
| 17:38.00 | ompaul | Max1082: I'm ancient enough to be grumpy. |
| 17:38.11 | _Sam-- | ompaul : im sure he will still have problems, if the same USER owns both directories :) |
| 17:38.16 | _Sam-- | and if he doesnt read about chown. |
| 17:38.30 | drzeke | hmm... the only thing that i can suspect might screw up the boot is a faulty pxelinux.cfg. Can you post it on pastebin |
| 17:38.32 | nkuttler | trolling the troll. now here's something |
| 17:38.34 | ompaul | _Sam--: most likely, however having been told it |
| 17:38.36 | Max1082 | nah nah nah nah nah twat > Sam! |
| 17:38.39 | eni23 | specing: shure: http://pastebin.com/s1pNxVnb |
| 17:38.47 | drzeke | http://pastebin.com/s1pNxVnb |
| 17:38.53 | ompaul | Max1082: give it a rest or you won't be here |
| 17:39.01 | Max1082 | don't give a shit! |
| 17:39.07 | Max1082 | full of cunts here!! |
| 17:39.12 | yann_ | _Sam--, I think I won... Booted the usb image (using a german keyboard configured as american), remounted the / in read/write, and edited the file I wanted using cat, as I couldnt find trace of any text editor |
| 17:39.21 | ompaul | !ops please dispose of our not so friendly Max1082 |
| 17:39.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ompaul complains about: please dispose of our not so friendly Max1082 |
| 17:39.39 | yann_ | am not sure if that is a great success but I think I managed to change the file on the usb disk :) |
| 17:39.43 | specing | eni23: Where are you hosting the PXE stuff? |
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| 17:39.51 | Max1082 | yeah tell it to mummy ompaul!!1 |
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| 17:40.30 | _Sam-- | Max1082 : i hope you get an A on your 6th grade linux examn. |
| 17:40.33 | Justin | yann_: are you sure you changed a real file or a file on a ramdisk? |
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| 17:40.45 | eni23 | Max1082: i think you tell me crap. i know that alot of people running debian/freebsd on alix. and the manual of the board is full of usefull information |
| 17:41.08 | valdyn | !ops Max1082 |
| 17:41.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: valdyn complains about: Max1082 |
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| 17:41.39 | LoRez | why are you complaining about someone that's already quieted? |
| 17:42.02 | yann_ | Justin, I wasn't sure... but considering my change was to push all the output through the serial port, and it properly fails to boot on the screen now, I think it's good :) |
| 17:42.28 | yann_ | I'll give it a try monday, trying to setup a nexcom network appliance, it's good fun |
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| 17:44.34 | _Sam-- | anyone able to give me a proper version of this command for my .bashrc? alias man='zcat /usr/share/man/man1/$1 | groff -Tascii -man | less' |
| 17:44.58 | Justin | _Sam--: why would you do that? |
| 17:45.07 | _Sam-- | Justin: cause my 'man' doesnt work. |
| 17:45.11 | eni23 | mabye something with my pxeboot is wrong. how can i debug this? |
| 17:45.13 | Justin | _Sam--: why not? |
| 17:45.16 | _Sam-- | it just returns empty blank pages, even though they exist. |
| 17:45.22 | _Sam-- | mandb, manpath fine |
| 17:45.26 | _Sam-- | files are there. |
| 17:45.57 | _Sam-- | been troubleshooting with lstarnes and simonlu for a while...cant get it. |
| 17:45.58 | Justin | _Sam--: PAGER=cat man ls |
| 17:46.01 | Justin | _Sam--: that work? |
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| 17:46.11 | _Sam-- | tried PAGER=less man man...no go |
| 17:46.33 | Justin | does cat work? |
| 17:46.35 | jordanm | is less installed? |
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| 17:47.05 | specing | eni23: < specing> eni23: Where are you hosting the PXE stuff? |
| 17:47.11 | valdyn | _Sam--: why dont you create a shell script replacing man? |
| 17:47.14 | _Sam-- | yess, less is install, cat works, zless works, zcat works |
| 17:47.28 | Justin | _Sam--: no, I mean, does PAGER=cat man ls work |
| 17:47.34 | _Sam-- | Justin: no |
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| 17:47.56 | jordanm | _Sam--: what happens when you do it? |
| 17:47.59 | _Sam-- | root@flexiserver:~# PAGER=less man ls |
| 17:47.59 | _Sam-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.05 | valdyn | _Sam--: i dont know how you can use $1 in that alias |
| 17:48.07 | _Sam-- | if PAGER=cat |
| 17:48.20 | _Sam-- | root@flexiserver:~# PAGER=cat man ls |
| 17:48.20 | _Sam-- | root@flexiserver:~# |
| 17:48.23 | valdyn | _Sam--: but you can in a shell script anyway |
| 17:48.49 | eni23 | im really getting crazy about this alix thing. how can i debug pxe boot? i dont konw a way. it just wont boot the f*** pxelinux.0 |
| 17:48.49 | _Sam-- | valdyn: THANKS for the tip -- wasnt think of that. |
| 17:48.52 | Justin | _Sam--: /var/cache/man ? |
| 17:49.07 | ompaul | eni23: I had a look at your serial, all it says is that you got an ip but it does not find an image that looks like your dhcp works to a point but there is nothing no tftp handing out an image |
| 17:49.07 | _Sam-- | its all there in /var/cache/man |
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| 17:49.26 | _Sam-- | as well as all manpages in /usr/share/man/* |
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| 17:49.44 | _Sam-- | even if i "man ./echo.1.gz" from the directory -- blank page |
| 17:50.02 | _Sam-- | zless and zcat on the same file work fine. |
| 17:50.03 | ompaul | eni23: it's been a long time I use to have ltsp which worked like that, the box work up, it asked the network for an ip and then the dhcpserver pointed to a linux image that gets booted |
| 17:50.15 | ompaul | s/work/woke |
| 17:50.33 | Justin | _Sam--: is /var/cache/man/cat* empty? |
| 17:50.50 | ompaul | eni23: so if you have a prepared image you need to tell your tftp server where it is, and you need to tell the machine it can look there using some method |
| 17:50.58 | _Sam-- | Justin: yes actually, cat* empty |
| 17:51.18 | valdyn | _Sam--: is it possible that you messed up permissions btw? |
| 17:51.20 | ompaul | eni23: what kind of machine offers dhcp services on that network? |
| 17:51.39 | Justin | _Sam--: does man work as root? |
| 17:51.41 | _Sam-- | valdyn: not likely, i havent done anythign with permissions, and im root on that box. |
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| 17:51.57 | _Sam-- | Justin : does not work as root. |
| 17:51.57 | valdyn | _Sam--: ok |
| 17:52.07 | valdyn | _Sam--: man is supposed to run as the user man |
| 17:52.22 | _Sam-- | man.root are the permissions. |
| 17:52.30 | valdyn | _Sam--: but i see no reason why it wouldnt work as root when its permissions are broken |
| 17:53.06 | specing | ompaul: I guess his router is authoritative >_> |
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| 17:53.36 | _Sam-- | valdyn: im also at a loss...dont get it. have uninstalled / reinstalled man-db....have recreated the mandb ... |
| 17:53.41 | _Sam-- | all the files are there. |
| 17:53.54 | _Sam-- | zcat/zless display and less pages them fine |
| 17:54.03 | ompaul | specing: yuk I like to know what is going on, but then I like ipv4 :) |
| 17:54.23 | Justin | _Sam--: man runs a lot of programs to display man pages |
| 17:54.25 | _Sam-- | it will be faster to just write the bash script, than worry about i think. |
| 17:54.41 | valdyn | _Sam--: can you put up "strace -eopen man ls" on a paste site? |
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| 17:55.18 | _Sam-- | sure, sec...thank you for your tips and help. |
| 17:56.01 | _Sam-- | http://pastebin.com/fJjmKkji |
| 17:56.17 | Justin | for me man runs: preconv, tbl, nroff, col, pager, locale, groff,troff, grotty |
| 17:57.27 | valdyn | _Sam--: "strace -eopen -f man ls" |
| 17:57.49 | valdyn | _Sam--: theres no error in that, but i can see that its not doing what my man does, however its forking so there may be something |
| 17:58.42 | specing | eni23: run this on your machine (and change things accordingly): /usr/sbin/dnsmasq -d -D -y -Z -b -E -s lan -S /lan/ -l /tmp/dhcp.leases --dhcp-range=lan,192.168.1.10,192.168.1.20,255.255.255.0,1h --enable-tftp=eth0 --tftp-root=/dev/shm/pxe/ --dhcp-boot=pxelinux.0 |
| 17:58.45 | _Sam-- | valdyn: that produces a lot of output, sec while i copy and paste it all |
| 17:58.56 | Justin | like I said, man runs a lot of programs |
| 17:59.04 | Justin | his locale could be broken, or any number of things |
| 17:59.11 | valdyn | yea, man is ok |
| 17:59.16 | valdyn | or seems to be |
| 17:59.29 | _Sam-- | "locales is already the newest version." |
| 17:59.36 | Justin | that's why fixing just man is a bad idea, as something else is likely broken |
| 17:59.51 | _Sam-- | root@flexiserver:~# locale-gen |
| 17:59.51 | _Sam-- | Generating locales (this might take a while)... |
| 17:59.51 | _Sam-- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:01.09 | _Sam-- | im having a hard time capturing all the output of the strace...cant pipe it to an output file or pager. |
| 18:01.15 | eni23 | specing: i just tried out pxe boot wit vmware. works fine. so it has to be something with the alix? |
| 18:01.25 | _Sam-- | (maybe i could if i could man strace!) |
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| 18:01.45 | specing | eni23: I say it must be PEBKAC |
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| 18:01.55 | eni23 | i saw in vmware that the pxe boot is graphical. mabye the rs232 cant display it? |
| 18:02.32 | ompaul | eni23: stick your monitor into it after you start it and look at the onscrean |
| 18:02.36 | ompaul | onscreen |
| 18:02.38 | eni23 | specing: sorry i dont know netjargon. what does this means |
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| 18:02.55 | eni23 | ompaul: the alix board has no monitor-connector man! |
| 18:03.03 | ompaul | ok |
| 18:03.06 | _Sam-- | i got the shell script done and working. |
| 18:03.07 | eni23 | ompaul: jus an rs232 console |
| 18:03.09 | specing | Problem Exists Between the Keyboard and Chair |
| 18:03.46 | drzeke | eni32 what are your kernel parameters |
| 18:03.48 | specing | eni23: connect the alix _directly_ to your machine and run the thing I posted ^ |
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| 18:04.55 | _Sam-- | valdyn: do you have a tip for how i can more easily get the output you asked for from that strace? |
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| 18:05.23 | valdyn | _Sam--: strace -f -eopen man ls > log.txt 2>&1 |
| 18:05.38 | _Sam-- | ah dangit, i forgot the 2>&1 |
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| 18:06.04 | drzeke | eni32: the problem might be that pxelinux is not configured to use the serial port,try adding console=ttyS0,38400n8 to your append |
| 18:06.20 | drzeke | eni32: and configure the baud as needed |
| 18:06.54 | _Sam-- | valdyn: thanks. http://pastebin.com/TKZ3ycSn |
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| 18:08.58 | valdyn | _Sam--: line 137 |
| 18:09.19 | _Sam-- | and 112 and 120 |
| 18:09.23 | valdyn | _Sam--: what is a troff doing in /usr/local/bin ? |
| 18:09.36 | _Sam-- | i think we are getting somewhere. |
| 18:09.40 | valdyn | _Sam--: yes, and the other stuff |
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| 18:10.02 | _Sam-- | there's a bunch of stuff that i dont remember being in /usr/local/bin....that also exist in other places. |
| 18:10.03 | Justin | see :) |
| 18:10.39 | Justin | and it' broken too |
| 18:10.41 | Justin | /usr/local/bin/troff: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected |
| 18:10.46 | _Sam-- | yes. |
| 18:10.53 | _Sam-- | i think i have some idea whats going on here. |
| 18:11.01 | _Sam-- | i think someone extracted some busybox shit there. |
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| 18:11.26 | valdyn | _Sam--: those things are not supposed to be scripts |
| 18:11.26 | _Sam-- | gonna mv /usr/local/bin/ /usr/local/bin.sav |
| 18:11.56 | valdyn | _Sam--: not supposed to be scripts either if they were busybox related |
| 18:12.04 | _Sam-- | WOOOOT you guys KICK ASS. |
| 18:12.18 | _Sam-- | just mv the directory to bin.sav fixed it. |
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| 18:12.56 | _Sam-- | THANK YOU again, gonna take 5 minutes and chill....been driving me crazy all morning. |
| 18:13.04 | Justin | _Sam--: see.. I bet a ton of other things were broken too |
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| 18:13.40 | _Sam-- | Justin : based on how correct you've been thus far, i would have to say you're probably right. nothing else surfaced though...and that /usr/local/bin directory was created like 5 weeks ago. |
| 18:14.11 | valdyn | _Sam--: how did it get there? |
| 18:14.52 | valdyn | _Sam--: I'd be worried about those files, read them |
| 18:14.56 | _Sam-- | valdyn: someone was working on hacking an NAS.... |
| 18:15.11 | _Sam-- | and it looks like they extracted something from /usr/src on the server, instead of the NAS |
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| 18:15.33 | valdyn | _Sam--: maybe you are lucky that your sh is not bash |
| 18:15.58 | _Sam-- | it is bash. |
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| 18:16.10 | valdyn | _Sam--: ok, i dont know why those syntax errors then |
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| 18:16.34 | _Sam-- | because the binaries that were trying to be used from /usr/local/bin were for a different kernel / busybox device. |
| 18:16.36 | Justin | probably because the versions of the tools that come with busybox are usually stripped down and don't support all options |
| 18:17.12 | valdyn | _Sam--: ok, maybe busybox shell scripts. I wouldnt know if they work on bash or not |
| 18:17.30 | _Sam-- | either way: thank you so much. now maybe i can get my next project done :) |
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| 18:25.21 | specing | eni23: And? Did it work? |
| 18:25.40 | eni23 | nobody. if i do the samw with vmware it will display the debian nettbot-menu. the alix f** does nothing afzter get an ip. i use the exact samly lan port and settings so my dns IS NOT the problem (sorry im a little mad after 5 hours of not working sh***) |
| 18:25.50 | eni23 | specing: NO! |
| 18:26.15 | specing | eni23: Was the output any different? |
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| 18:26.43 | eni23 | specing: yes told you so dont offers me an dhcp lease |
| 18:26.54 | eni23 | my dns is working well |
| 18:27.30 | eni23 | and the problem is i do it with tftpd-hpa and dnsmasq only opints to my server! |
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| 18:28.02 | specing | Oh no no no |
| 18:28.25 | eni23 | me? |
| 18:28.54 | specing | You darred to look at one of those PXE howtos that make you setup thtpd-hpa and all other random heavy crap |
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| 18:30.08 | eni23 | specing:i did. dint you read my posts. i set up everything as i should. vmware and a netbook are booting well so it cant be a problem with this one |
| 18:30.39 | specing | hmm |
| 18:30.54 | eni23 | or why sould a 32bit netbook or vmware working with the exact same setup and the f** alix not? |
| 18:31.35 | eni23 | sorry im loosing my patience. im 5 minutes before trowing out all of this out of my window |
| 18:31.53 | specing | < drzeke> eni32: the problem might be that pxelinux is not configured to use the serial port |
| 18:32.05 | specing | digs into his setup |
| 18:32.33 | eni23 | specing: tha |
| 18:32.36 | specing | Do you have something like this in your pxelinux config?: |
| 18:32.38 | specing | serial 0 115200 |
| 18:32.39 | specing | console 0 |
| 18:32.50 | eni23 | that sounds reasonable, i told before that in vmware the menu is graphical |
| 18:33.16 | zerobyte | back |
| 18:34.19 | eni23 | specing: no i have not. my pelinux-cfg looks like this: |
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| 18:34.54 | eni23 | http://pastebin.com/6Mpwte83 |
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| 18:35.52 | specing | eww debian |
| 18:35.55 | crculver | I was pointed to Debian's equivs package here to tell apt that I had installed some packages myself separately from the package manager.>> |
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| 18:36.24 | crculver | For the most part, creating a fake package for texlive worked, when I do "apt-get install lilypond", I no longer have a huge list of dependencies to pull in.>> |
| 18:36.47 | crculver | However, lilypond still try to pull in texlive-common and texlive-binaries, even though there were specified by the Provides: field in my equivs package. |
| 18:36.50 | crculver | What gives? |
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| 18:36.57 | eni23 | ok im going a little more in the right way: "Undefined video mode number: 314 " |
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| 18:37.31 | valdyn | crculver: makes no sense unless theres a version attached to the dependency |
| 18:38.08 | crculver | valdyn, It wants to pull in e.g. texlive-common-2009, but I specified version 2011 in the equivs package |
| 18:38.26 | crculver | valdyn, Could you be that lilypond wants only 2009 and won't be content with any other version installed? |
| 18:38.36 | valdyn | crculver: thats a name, not a version |
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| 18:39.34 | crculver | valdyn, Are you sure that the year is part of the texlive package name? |
| 18:39.46 | valdyn | crculver: no, im sure its not, but you gave a name |
| 18:40.00 | valdyn | crculver: just look at the dependency, it may be versioned |
| 18:40.14 | crculver | valdyn, OK, I'll try to determine lilypond's exact needs. |
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| 18:41.48 | valdyn | crculver: oddly i find no texlive-common in the recursive dependency list of lilypond |
| 18:42.25 | crculver | valdyn, I get the following output for "apt-get install lilypond": |
| 18:42.28 | crculver | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 18:42.28 | crculver | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.42 | valdyn | crculver: on squeeze? |
| 18:43.18 | crculver | valdyn, Wheezy |
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| 18:44.48 | boudiccas | .versions lilypond |
| 18:45.06 | jordanm | ,versions lilypond |
| 18:45.08 | judd | Package: lilypond on i386 -- lenny: 2.10.33-2.3; squeeze: 2.12.3-7; sid: 2.14.2-2; wheezy: 2.14.2-2 |
| 18:45.18 | boudiccas | jordanm; you beat me to it |
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| 18:46.51 | specing | eni23: does it work now? |
| 18:47.25 | eni23 | specing: YESS, just entered pxlinux menu |
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| 18:48.50 | eni23 | specing: thans ALOT for your input with the pexlinux-cfg-serial :) |
| 18:50.08 | eni23 | now it installs the base-system :) |
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| 18:50.30 | specing | [if you ever get tired of running debian on there, ping me] |
| 18:50.46 | cnz | hey valdyn, I had no luck with any of that info :( |
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| 18:51.12 | cnz | the regedit key fix didn't work and nothing else has worked :( |
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| 18:52.17 | feu-feu | hi libgnome-menu-3-0 and libgnome-menu2 are builde from Source Package: gnome-menus. Whats now since the GNOME 3 Desktop... is libgnome-menu2 "long-time-support"? |
| 18:52.17 | feu-feu | and how can i find a nice Dokumentation about this Libery? On http://developer.gnome.org i dont find any |
| 18:52.34 | eni23 | specing: why what you run on alix? |
| 18:52.39 | specing | eni23: And keep in mind that CF cards have limited writes |
| 18:52.50 | specing | eni23: I run Gentoo on there |
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| 18:53.00 | l37 | hi guys. I have a x86 box running lenny, when I run "apt-get update", it fails with |
| 18:53.07 | l37 | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_lenny_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 18:53.27 | eni23 | specing: i know i will set "dirty_writeback_centisecs" |
| 18:53.43 | l37 | I already deleted that file, its redownloaded from security.debian.org, but fails again |
| 18:54.03 | eni23 | specing: mabye one day. it was hard enough tho get pxeboot running and gentoo is really 1000times more work |
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| 18:54.48 | eni23 | specing: do you know a better way than dirty_writeback_centisecs to protect te cf-card? |
| 18:54.51 | specing | eni23: dirty_writeback_centisecs doesen't really change the amount that stuff writes out to disk |
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| 18:55.00 | eni23 | specing: ok |
| 18:55.08 | specing | eni23: Yes, have it mounted read-only |
| 18:55.24 | eni23 | someone told me wold help a little on sdcards and so |
| 18:55.50 | crculver | OK, I've fixed this problem. Thanks to everyone for your insights. |
| 18:56.59 | eni23 | specing: uum i need some megs writable. think will let it for now and when i have it like i want it i mount ro wit different partitions (like an android-phone) |
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| 18:58.02 | specing | eni23: You only need RW when __YOU__ are updating something |
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| 18:58.23 | specing | eni23: All other data (such as log files) can be kept on ram |
| 18:59.13 | simonlnu | feu-feu: there's no 'lts' in debian. oldstable gets supported for a whle (1 to 1.5 year) and that's it |
| 18:59.18 | eni23 | specing: i got the board new and wanna setup first and try a little. when i know how to handle i will buy me an new cf-card and mout ro with scripts for apt-updates etc |
| 18:59.21 | simonlnu | while* |
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| 19:00.04 | eni23 | specing: no i need my logfiles even if it shuts down or the power gets off. i could write to an nas, yeah but i wanna replace it with the alix-pc |
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| 19:00.44 | cnz | anyone have any idea why my win7 pc cannot connect/see my NAS on the network |
| 19:00.47 | simonlnu | blah |
| 19:00.48 | cnz | it's running samba |
| 19:00.56 | specing | eni23: syslog can be configured to send messages to another machine |
| 19:01.02 | simonlnu | we don't support windows here |
| 19:01.22 | specing | cnz: Its windows, thats why! |
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| 19:02.32 | eni23 | specing: yup but wanna replace those machines with the alix. its 2011 and i installed my first os via an rs232-console :) |
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| 19:03.52 | simonlnu | cnz: try ##windows; samba-specific problems can be addressed in #samba too |
| 19:04.16 | cnz | simonlnu, no one answers in #samba |
| 19:04.25 | simonlnu | then be patient |
| 19:04.37 | simonlnu | not everyone is awake when you are ;) |
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| 19:06.10 | cnz | simonlnu, over 12hours no response? |
| 19:06.14 | cnz | that's kinda hard to believe |
| 19:06.35 | simonlnu | i'm not an op there, nor can i answer for them |
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| 19:07.22 | Guest2126 | hey |
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| 19:08.51 | Guest2126 | horny |
| 19:09.08 | boudiccas | troll |
| 19:09.09 | l1t | Anyone familiar with kerberos? i'm getting the error: Connection Closed When trying to connect to a kerberized service after attaining a ticket. This error is weird. It's not even on the list of common errors |
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| 19:10.25 | simonlnu | connection closed due to what? |
| 19:11.05 | l1t | simonlnu: Good question. All it spits back in Connection Closed. lol |
| 19:11.17 | simonlnu | check the log |
| 19:11.36 | l1t | k, want me to pastebin it too so you can have a look see? |
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| 19:13.01 | simonlnu | i suppose |
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| 19:15.12 | thewanderer1 | l1t, that error is probably not coming from Kerberos at all :P |
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| 19:15.59 | simonlnu | probably not |
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| 19:17.37 | cnz | so simonlnu, what makes you think the samba issue im having isn't debian related |
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| 19:19.05 | arnoldB | Are there any problems with the deb repository http://security.debian.org/ known? sources.list: http://www.np.arbe.me/index.php?1380 error: http://www.np.arbe.me/index.php?1381 |
| 19:19.12 | nkuttler | cnz: you're having problems connecting from windows. |
| 19:19.20 | l1t | Well when I try to same rsh command but without -x (i believe the -x is for kerberos encryption) I do get this error: connect to address 192.168.2.118 port 543: Connection refused |
| 19:19.23 | l1t | trying normal rlogin (/usr/bin/netkit-rlogin) |
| 19:19.26 | l1t | exec: No such file or directory |
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| 19:19.30 | arnoldB | error appears when executing apt-get update |
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| 19:19.38 | simonlnu | you made no mention of debian in your question, and the problem you're having is in windows. |
| 19:19.57 | cnz | well it could be the way debian installed the samba package? |
| 19:20.00 | simonlnu | 2+2=4 |
| 19:20.25 | valdyn | cnz: your samba is fine, didnt we already see that? |
| 19:20.26 | nkuttler | cnz: do you mean you didn't configure it? |
| 19:20.36 | nkuttler | oh we did? |
| 19:20.47 | simonlnu | cnz: that's called a strawman argument. |
| 19:20.50 | valdyn | nkuttler: yea |
| 19:21.09 | valdyn | cnz: i gave you a second link for a fix on windows home, did you apply that one? |
| 19:21.13 | cnz | simonlnu, im not arguing im just trying to think of everything possible |
| 19:21.20 | cnz | valdyn, it was the same fix |
| 19:21.23 | cnz | as the other |
| 19:21.26 | valdyn | cnz: no itwas not |
| 19:21.32 | cnz | the keys were the same |
| 19:21.39 | cnz | as the very first link you gave |
| 19:21.39 | valdyn | cnz: you probably missed one, hold on |
| 19:21.57 | cnz | that is possible |
| 19:22.03 | zinx | cnz: can you view the machine by typing the IP address directly - i.e., type \\10.0.0.2\ as the path |
| 19:22.11 | valdyn | cnz: http://www.sevenforums.com/network-sharing/30539-samba-shares-home-premium.html |
| 19:22.15 | valdyn | zinx: he cant |
| 19:22.16 | cnz | zinx nope |
| 19:22.27 | cnz | windows doesn't see it on the network at all |
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| 19:22.30 | cnz | but I can ping it and ssh in |
| 19:22.31 | zinx | cnz: can you ping the ip address? |
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| 19:22.33 | zinx | ah |
| 19:22.43 | valdyn | zinx: and samba is fine, as smbtree shows |
| 19:22.50 | zinx | yeah, blamewindows |
| 19:23.17 | valdyn | zinx: problem is that windows 7 changed a few things which i dont know to well, and not at all on the home premium edition |
| 19:23.24 | zinx | cnz: it's worth noting that windows will automatically attempt to log in with your current windows username and password |
| 19:23.25 | cnz | i have no doubt that it's windows either |
| 19:23.35 | cnz | zinx yeah we have it set to public |
| 19:23.40 | cnz | well public = yes that is |
| 19:23.50 | valdyn | cnz: did you also apply the change to the smb.conf? |
| 19:23.54 | cnz | valdyn, im checking right now I might'v missed the one you have to set the value to 2 |
| 19:23.54 | zinx | cnz: but do you have it set to turn invalid user names in to the guest account? |
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| 19:23.59 | zinx | cnz: usernames/passwords |
| 19:24.11 | zinx | cnz: because i don't think even public shares can be seen by invalid accounts |
| 19:24.16 | valdyn | zinx: if that is guest ok = yes |
| 19:24.23 | cnz | valdyn, yes i copied the share to the global settings section as you advised |
| 19:24.28 | zinx | valdyn: no, it's another setting |
| 19:24.36 | valdyn | zinx: ok, i dont know that one |
| 19:24.49 | valdyn | cnz: thats not a share, but if you copied it, alright |
| 19:24.50 | cnz | zinx ok one sec, chcking a reg key |
| 19:24.51 | Zeranoe | Could anyone tell me why all the software in /bin/ is made for Intel 80386 (i386) and yet I'm running the i686 kernel? |
| 19:25.17 | zinx | map to guest = bad password |
| 19:25.20 | valdyn | Zeranoe: you are wrong in assuming that its made for i386 |
| 19:25.24 | zinx | ^^ |
| 19:25.41 | valdyn | Zeranoe: but you are right that "file" will show that its something or other for i386 |
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| 19:25.50 | sfsf32 | hello |
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| 19:26.10 | zinx | (the default is to not map anything to guest other than guest) |
| 19:26.13 | simonlnu | Zeranoe: because it doesn't matter. it's (almost) the same architecture. |
| 19:26.22 | Zeranoe | valdyn: So file is wrong? |
| 19:26.29 | valdyn | Zeranoe: the executable format is unchanged anyway, that is why file can rightly call it what it calls it |
| 19:26.36 | valdyn | Zambezi: but it wont run on i386 |
| 19:26.52 | cnz | ok brb going to reboot now |
| 19:27.08 | simonlnu | it's built for i486 and up. like valdyn said, it won't run on i386 at all. |
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| 19:27.33 | zinx | you don't need to reboot the debian machine to change that option, you just need to do /etc/init.d/samba reload |
| 19:27.35 | valdyn | Zambezi: file gives you a spec, not what it will run on |
| 19:27.39 | Zeranoe | valdyn: Hmm, could you possibly explai n further why file would report it as that yet it is not? Is there any way to actually check what its for? |
| 19:27.44 | zinx | or possibly force-reload |
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| 19:27.53 | valdyn | Zambezi: the kernel name gives you what its optimised for, not what it will run on either |
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| 19:28.17 | valdyn | Zeranoe: ^^ |
| 19:28.31 | zinx | valdyn: kernels optimized for higher architectures don't always run on lower ones |
| 19:28.55 | valdyn | zinx: no, not always, but thats is no contradiction |
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| 19:29.06 | sfsf32 | when i try to open a link in icedove by "open link in browser" it doesn't work and in errors console i gei this message: http://paste.debian.net/147957/ |
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| 19:29.32 | valdyn | Zeranoe: the elf spec never changed, but the elf spec never contained the information if something will run or not, its only a file format |
| 19:29.51 | zinx | valdyn: it does contain architecture |
| 19:30.01 | zinx | but i don't think it's that fine-grained |
| 19:30.09 | Zeranoe | valdyn: so its kind of just reporting the early elf spec and it isnt a good indication of what arch it is made for/will run on |
| 19:30.24 | valdyn | zinx: elf doesnt say that anything needs to be runnable at all |
| 19:30.43 | valdyn | zinx: you can easily have an elf file that runs on nothing |
| 19:30.48 | zinx | valdyn: no, it doesn't. but it does say, for instance, that it's a binary for Intel 80386 |
| 19:30.54 | simonlnu | it can tell whether or not it's i386 or ppc elf, or sparce, or whatever. so yeh it is fairly fine grained |
| 19:30.58 | cnz | valdyn/zinx http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30440135/ss.png same error message and all the reg keys are added |
| 19:31.08 | simonlnu | but not really fine grained ;) |
| 19:31.19 | zinx | valdyn: and typically, kernels will refuse to run ELFs that say they're for the wrong arch |
| 19:31.24 | simonlnu | sparc* |
| 19:31.27 | zinx | valdyn: if they /are/ runnable |
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| 19:32.07 | valdyn | zinx: nope |
| 19:32.12 | zinx | valdyn: yep |
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| 19:32.18 | valdyn | zinx: geez |
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| 19:32.34 | zinx | valdyn: going to have to trust me on this one, i've played with it a fair amount |
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| 19:32.46 | valdyn | zinx: you can try yourself, change all op codes to invalid op codes, it will still be a compliant elf file |
| 19:32.47 | zinx | valdyn: routinely modify ELF binaries by hand, etc. |
| 19:32.49 | Zambezi | valdyn: I see tab completion working like a charm tonight. :-P |
| 19:32.55 | simonlnu | you can always go check the elf spec ;) |
| 19:32.58 | zinx | valdyn: i'm not talking about the code in it |
| 19:33.06 | valdyn | zinx: then we agree |
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| 19:33.09 | zinx | valdyn: ELF has a specific field for architecture |
| 19:33.35 | zinx | valdyn: kernels check that specific field, linkers/compilers fill it in |
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| 19:33.45 | valdyn | zinx: dont tell me please, we agree |
| 19:34.22 | thousand | hello, everybody wanted to ask which part of system implements font anti-aliasing? is it desktop environment, or WM? |
| 19:34.33 | Zeranoe | so... is there a way to check what arch the software will run on? without actually trying to run it for instance |
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| 19:34.55 | valdyn | Zeranoe: what file gives you is good enough |
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| 19:35.02 | zinx | valdyn: not really. we agree that an i686 binary that only runs on i686 will attempt to be run on a i386 box but fail, generally... but that's the fine-grainededness i was speaking of |
| 19:35.12 | zinx | valdyn: ELF does contain information about what it takes to run a file, it's just not enough |
| 19:35.13 | valdyn | Zeranoe: but its not complete on some corner cases |
| 19:35.24 | valdyn | zinx: yes, we agree, i know that.. |
| 19:35.40 | specing | thousand: neither |
| 19:35.54 | thousand | specing: what then? |
| 19:36.00 | Zeranoe | what does file report for x86_64? |
| 19:36.02 | specing | X11 |
| 19:36.34 | valdyn | Zeranoe: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, v... |
| 19:36.40 | thousand | okay, so the option to choose RGB or Greyscale anti-aliasing is available in xorg.conf? |
| 19:36.43 | simonlnu | fontconfig for a start, then implemented in xorg/x11. the latter manages it. |
| 19:37.50 | valdyn | Zeranoe: x86-64 has, to my knowledge, no incompatible changes in cpu hardware, but that may come over time, and theres no reason why elf format would change, so then it would again be as "inaccurate" as the i386 is |
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| 19:38.39 | zinx | valdyn: ? |
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| 19:38.58 | zinx | valdyn: there are different x86-64 extensions already which aren't supported on all of them |
| 19:39.05 | valdyn | zinx: i know! |
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| 19:39.22 | valdyn | zinx: can i please get away with no mentioning details that dont matter here |
| 19:39.33 | zinx | valdyn: no way |
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| 19:39.37 | valdyn | zinx: geez |
| 19:39.42 | zinx | valdyn: this is the internet and someone is wrong! :P |
| 19:40.02 | ZekeS | Hmm, using file on an ELF on this PPC box shows that the programs were compiled for i386 :V |
| 19:40.24 | zinx | ZekeS: hah |
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| 19:40.49 | valdyn | Zeranoe: so to make zinx happy, its possible to create a valid x86-64 elf file that will only run on all x86-64 cpus properly |
| 19:41.03 | valdyn | s/only/not/ |
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| 19:42.40 | Zeranoe | All I care about is for labling purposes, giving the desired packge the proper arch. Thank you all for your help, #debian is more then compitant when it comes to linux. |
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| 19:43.34 | cnz | valdyn |
| 19:43.40 | cnz | got a step further |
| 19:44.01 | cnz | i pulled out the other laptop it pops up with a login box |
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| 19:44.06 | valdyn | Zeranoe: theres distros that use(d) the 686 arch for packages, but debian cant easily switch ( and theres not much incentive ) |
| 19:44.06 | cnz | so it's something on this laptop |
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| 19:44.13 | K1rk | Anyone know of a good way to tell Awk to give me the LAST column, 2nd to last, and 3rd to last? |
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| 19:44.26 | K1rk | I have a text document I am trying to manipulate, that has a description in the middle with an unpredictable amount of words. |
| 19:44.30 | K1rk | I need to filter it to make a CSV |
| 19:44.48 | cnz | zinx, where at in smb.conf do added user/passwords |
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| 19:44.59 | valdyn | cnz: another windows 7 laptop? |
| 19:45.03 | cnz | yes |
| 19:45.07 | valdyn | cnz: neat |
| 19:45.08 | cnz | running home premium |
| 19:45.36 | cnz | just need to setup user/password so i can login |
| 19:45.40 | valdyn | cnz: you can use your regular unix accounts instead of seperate accounts |
| 19:45.50 | cnz | I thought so too |
| 19:45.56 | cnz | but password invalid |
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| 19:46.28 | valdyn | cnz: uncomment "passdb backend = tdbsam" I think |
| 19:46.41 | cnz | k |
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| 19:47.07 | pythonsnake | Hello |
| 19:47.15 | pythonsnake | I have just installed Debian Squeeze on my laptop. |
| 19:47.15 | cnz | oh valdyn the only difference is this laptop is running oem win7 |
| 19:47.18 | cnz | the other laptop is running retail |
| 19:48.05 | pythonsnake | The problem is that hard disk drive is making a strange noise each time I click on something. |
| 19:48.17 | cnz | passdb backend = tdbsam is already uncomment |
| 19:48.25 | pythonsnake | Anyone experiencing same? |
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| 19:48.45 | valdyn | cnz: but you cant login using a debian account? |
| 19:48.48 | boudiccas | pythonsnake; what do you mean by 'strange noise'? |
| 19:49.18 | cnz | valdyn, correct |
| 19:49.28 | boudiccas | pythonsnake; and does it only occur when you use the mouse? |
| 19:49.42 | pythonsnake | boudiccas, I can't describe it... |
| 19:49.45 | cnz | enter network password 9enter your password to connect to 192.168.11.10 |
| 19:49.57 | pythonsnake | boudiccas, yes. |
| 19:49.58 | cnz | then tells me the specified network password is not correct |
| 19:50.15 | pythonsnake | Each time I click on something, a menu for example, there's the noise. |
| 19:50.17 | valdyn | cnz: ok, i dont remember, guess you might need to set the password. You can use "smbpassd" |
| 19:50.19 | pythonsnake | Is that normal? |
| 19:50.24 | boudiccas | pythonsnake; try swapping the mouse for a differetn one and see if it still occurs |
| 19:50.28 | thewanderer1 | pythonsnake, if you run the computer without the hard disk, does it make the noise? |
| 19:50.49 | cnz | valdyn, where at in smb.conf do I set the username/pass |
| 19:50.50 | pythonsnake | Without? |
| 19:51.04 | pythonsnake | I can't dismount my laptop, it's under warranty. |
| 19:51.07 | valdyn | cnz: not at all, you just run smbpasswd as some user |
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| 19:51.20 | thewanderer1 | pythonsnake, does the warranty disallow removing the hard drive? |
| 19:51.20 | valdyn | cnz: or smbpasswd -u <username> as root |
| 19:51.21 | cnz | oh ok |
| 19:51.36 | pythonsnake | boudiccas, I tried to disconnect mouse and use touchpad, but it's same. |
| 19:51.42 | pythonsnake | thewanderer1, yes. |
| 19:52.01 | thewanderer1 | pythonsnake, boot from a pendrive or from network (PXE), stop your disk and ensure nothing is accessing it, try again |
| 19:52.01 | valdyn | cnz: err, sorry, its just "smbpasswd <username>" when run as root |
| 19:52.02 | pythonsnake | There's a sticker in the hard drive "door". |
| 19:52.07 | boudiccas | pythonsnake; swap the mouse for a different mouse |
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| 19:52.41 | pythonsnake | Seems strange. |
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| 19:52.50 | pythonsnake | boudiccas, same problem. :( |
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| 19:53.16 | thewanderer1 | pythonsnake, ok, how about if you disable the disk (hdparm -y /dev/sda) while booted off some other medium? (try Debian Live from a pendrive) |
| 19:53.19 | pythonsnake | thewanderer1, will try. One sec. |
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| 19:53.44 | boudiccas | pythonsnake; so the mouse clicks but the keyboard doesnt, and the tracker pad clicks as well? |
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| 19:54.04 | pumafyre | Wondering if someone can help me enable wifi on my laptop |
| 19:54.17 | pumafyre | it was working last night before I updated to 6.0.3 |
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| 19:54.27 | cnz | valdyn, ok so on the other laptop it pops up with the login box so i enter it (it now accepts user/pass) but then it errors out and i get the same error i get on here |
| 19:54.49 | pumafyre | iwconfig says that I'm connected |
| 19:55.12 | valdyn | cnz: so did you apply that last fix I gave you? |
| 19:55.15 | pumafyre | to my network, but when I try tp ping something or load elinks it says host not found |
| 19:55.20 | cnz | valdyn, yep |
| 19:55.25 | pumafyre | I have no desktop environment atm |
| 19:55.29 | valdyn | cnz: ok, im out of ideas then |
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| 19:55.49 | pythonsnake | thewanderer1, yay, the problem disapeared. |
| 19:56.02 | Justin | pumafyre: iwconfig only tells you if you have a layer2 connection to your access point |
| 19:56.05 | pythonsnake | boudiccas, the keyboard doesn't? |
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| 19:56.13 | pythonsnake | doesn't what? |
| 19:56.16 | Justin | pumafyre: it has nothing to do with having a valid ip address |
| 19:56.23 | cnz | yeah valdyn, everything points to the reg keys |
| 19:56.26 | Justin | pumafyre: if you didn't run a dhcp client, you're not going to get anywhere |
| 19:56.33 | boudiccas | pythonsnake; how do i know? you're at the keyboard! |
| 19:56.55 | boudiccas | pythonsnake; click |
| 19:56.55 | pythonsnake | boudiccas, I don't understand your question. |
| 19:57.00 | pumafyre | Justin: how do I run a dhcp client? I installed squeeze on an old laptop and was able to connect late last night |
| 19:57.02 | valdyn | cnz: probably, but windows home premium is unknown to me |
| 19:57.17 | pumafyre | Justin: and thank you :) |
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| 19:57.25 | cnz | valdyn, yeah I just edon't want to format and resetup everything lol |
| 19:57.31 | valdyn | cnz: and getting my win pro systems to work perfectly was not a problem after a quick google and applying those fixes |
| 19:57.33 | Justin | pumafyre: how did you configure your wireless network in general? |
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| 19:57.41 | pumafyre | Justin: but after I did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade I can't connect anymore |
| 19:57.42 | thewanderer1 | pythonsnake, ok so running without the hard disk, the noise stopped? try spinning the disk up: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null bs=4k count=1 |
| 19:57.54 | pumafyre | Justin: with ifcongif wlan0 up |
| 19:58.03 | pumafyre | *ifconfig |
| 19:58.13 | Justin | pumafyre: yeah, that will never work. |
| 19:58.15 | Dimitri7 | Hello guys, I need to install libvirt and I have main (libvirt 0.8.3) and backports (libvirt 0.9.6) repos for Squeeze in /etc/apt/sources.list. If I run aptitude install libvirt which version would aptitude choose to install? Thank you. |
| 19:58.15 | valdyn | cnz: what is it all that you applied to that new laptop? all registry hacks too? |
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| 19:58.19 | pumafyre | Justin: I'm tethering to my droid right now, I don't have a 'normal' wifi |
| 19:58.23 | pythonsnake | thewanderer1, what does it exactly do? |
| 19:58.24 | pumafyre | Justin: heh ok |
| 19:58.26 | valdyn | cnz: or only the last one? |
| 19:58.33 | cnz | only this one |
| 19:58.42 | valdyn | cnz: was that one needed? |
| 19:58.43 | Justin | pumafyre: run dhclient wlan0 |
| 19:58.47 | pumafyre | Justin: I can do iwlist scan and it shows me access points |
| 19:58.48 | pumafyre | ok |
| 19:58.49 | thewanderer1 | pythonsnake, reads 4KB from sda and does nothing with it |
| 19:59.00 | cnz | wait i mean I applied all the key fixes to this one |
| 19:59.02 | cnz | non to the other one |
| 19:59.05 | pumafyre | oh wow it just connected |
| 19:59.09 | pumafyre | Justin: dude thank you |
| 19:59.16 | pumafyre | :) |
| 19:59.19 | valdyn | cnz: so none on the other but the other is the one that works "better" ? |
| 19:59.20 | pumafyre | brb |
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| 19:59.25 | cnz | I think im just going to use win7 and forget about samba |
| 19:59.35 | pumafyre | brb |
| 19:59.44 | cnz | valdyn, it works no different it just popped up with a login box, then after you enter user/pass it gives the same error |
| 20:00.05 | pythonsnake | thewanderer1, wait, rebooting... |
| 20:00.09 | valdyn | cnz: i see, you need to apply that last registry change at least |
| 20:00.21 | valdyn | cnz: if you did that, *I* give up anyway |
| 20:00.27 | thewanderer1 | pythonsnake, you're supposed to do that on the live system to spin the disk back up |
| 20:00.39 | thewanderer1 | and test there if the noise is back |
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| 20:01.00 | cnz | yeah it's not worth reinstalling windows on all the pcs just to access samba |
| 20:01.02 | pumafyre | Justin: ok |
| 20:01.07 | cnz | or to see if that would fix it |
| 20:01.26 | pumafyre | Justin: looks like I need to read about dhcp a little bit, I'm on the other laptop now, thank you |
| 20:01.46 | Justin | pumafyre: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 20:01.48 | pythonsnake | thewanderer1, :( noises are back. |
| 20:01.59 | Justin | pumafyre: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 20:02.02 | thewanderer1 | pythonsnake, on the live system? |
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| 20:02.12 | sfsf32 | when i try to open a link in icedove by "open link in browser" it doesn't work and in errors console i gei this message: http://paste.debian.net/147957/ |
| 20:02.19 | Firztspawn | cnz wait what? |
| 20:02.38 | pythonsnake | thewanderer1, rebooted to HDD's debian. |
| 20:03.06 | pumafyre | Justin: thank you again |
| 20:03.12 | makk | im running debian .. yepp.. and wondering how to add indexing (like ubuntu) to my desktop. any easy GUI option menu's.. where to go look |
| 20:03.21 | pumafyre | Justin: onto my next challenge: how to install gnome on this thing :p |
| 20:03.23 | thewanderer1 | pythonsnake, does it happen before Debian boots, too? (during POST / in GRUB) |
| 20:03.44 | pythonsnake | In the GRUB menu? No. |
| 20:03.44 | boudiccas | makk; as i've never run ubuntu, what does the 'indexing' do? |
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| 20:04.34 | pumafyre | Justin: I actually read those pages last night, it was very late though |
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| 20:05.06 | babilen | !tell pumafyre -about install gnome |
| 20:05.23 | cnz | Firztspawn, nothing, just none of my win7 boxes will connect to samaba and gives this error http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30440135/ss.png I've added all regedit key fixes and still a no go |
| 20:05.45 | pumafyre | thank you babilen ! |
| 20:05.54 | babilen | np |
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| 20:06.22 | Firztspawn | cnz - granted I dont have 7 (I have 2 XP computers that connect to this one via samba) but it should still be basically the same |
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| 20:06.39 | pythonsnake | thewanderer1, any ideas? |
| 20:06.40 | cnz | uuhh not really |
| 20:06.42 | Firztspawn | one major issue I had was file/folder permissions |
| 20:06.45 | cnz | win7 is way different than xp |
| 20:06.58 | pythonsnake | Can it be a hardware problem? |
| 20:07.11 | thewanderer1 | pythonsnake, switch to tty1 and try clicking the mouse |
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| 20:07.34 | thewanderer1 | what we're figuring out is if this is graphics-related in any way |
| 20:07.35 | pythonsnake | Nope, no noise. |
| 20:07.36 | pumafyre | babilen, how do I install x? |
| 20:07.46 | babilen | pumafyre: /msg dpkg install x |
| 20:07.50 | DarkJustice | Any nouveau experts? I've purge all nvidia items from my debian squeeze system, installed xserver-xorg-video-nouveau but when I modprobe nouveau I get FATAL: Module nouveau not found. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 20:08.02 | thewanderer1 | pythonsnake, ok, but in X there is noise? try muting the speakers and clicking again... |
| 20:08.09 | Justin | DarkJustice: xserver-xorg-.. is not a kernel module |
| 20:08.26 | pythonsnake | Yes, there's noise. |
| 20:08.27 | babilen | DarkJustice: Make sure the module is no longer blacklisted (the nvidia drivers install a file in /etc/modprobe.d/) and reboot |
| 20:08.37 | Firztspawn | btw cnz .. I know its different, but both are ntfs based OS's |
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| 20:08.52 | Firztspawn | is what I meant |
| 20:08.57 | Justin | samba issues have nothing to do with ntfs |
| 20:09.07 | pumafyre | babilen: are there seriously 758 packages needed to install gnome-desktop-environment? |
| 20:09.09 | DarkJustice | babilen: yeah I double checked, no blacklist anywhere. |
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| 20:09.17 | Firztspawn | no they dont ... but when I was comparing .. oh nm |
| 20:09.24 | babilen | DarkJustice: And you rebooted already? |
| 20:09.32 | DarkJustice | babilen, yep |
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| 20:09.38 | Justin | pumafyre: try gnome-core ? |
| 20:09.48 | valdyn | makk: indexing what? |
| 20:09.50 | Firztspawn | cnz check the dir/file persmissions on the samba server |
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| 20:10.05 | babilen | pumafyre: gnome-desktop-environment comprises gnome as defined by upstream. These are quite a lot of packages ... If you want less start with gnome-core or even gnome-session |
| 20:10.06 | pumafyre | Justin: thank you, that just seems insane |
| 20:10.08 | Firztspawn | permissions* |
| 20:10.21 | cnz | Firztspawn, that wouled be a good idea if was atleast able to connect/see the NAS |
| 20:10.31 | Firztspawn | also, can you pastebin your smb.conf? |
| 20:10.33 | cnz | but win7 can't even find it on the network |
| 20:10.37 | Justin | DarkJustice: find /lib/modules -name 'n*v*' |
| 20:10.40 | cnz | sure |
| 20:10.45 | babilen | pumafyre: I typically start with gnome-session or gnome-core and additionally install whatever I am missing |
| 20:10.46 | valdyn | Firztspawn: his samba seems fine as another computer sees the share |
| 20:10.53 | valdyn | Firztspawn: i dont know why hes omitting that |
| 20:10.56 | pumafyre | babilen: thank you |
| 20:10.57 | pumafyre | :) |
| 20:11.05 | Firztspawn | valdyn I did not know this.. I came late in the convo |
| 20:11.14 | pumafyre | babilen: Justin even gnome-core needs over 9 hours with this slow connection..might wait on that :p |
| 20:11.21 | DarkJustice | babilen: grrrrr I found /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/kernel/drivers/char/agp/nvidia-agp.ko |
| 20:11.21 | thewanderer1 | pythonsnake, what if you stop X completely (/etc/init.d/gdm stop or whatever DM you use), set up a process that reads the mouse input (cat /dev/input/mice as root) and try to click the mouse/touchpad? does it make a sound? |
| 20:11.38 | cnz | valdyn, it doesn't see the share |
| 20:11.45 | Firztspawn | cnz I am assuming you have iptables? |
| 20:11.50 | cnz | it's giving the same problems as this one |
| 20:11.56 | Firztspawn | on the samba server? |
| 20:12.00 | valdyn | cnz: it sees the server, it prompts you for a password |
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| 20:12.02 | cnz | Firztspawn that would be incorrect |
| 20:12.08 | Justin | cnz: does that windows 7 box have any kind of firewall software on it? |
| 20:12.10 | Firztspawn | ok... cool |
| 20:12.19 | Firztspawn | I wanted to ensure that was not blocking |
| 20:12.27 | cnz | valdyn, right then it gives the same error saying it cannot find \\<Ip> in the network |
| 20:12.38 | cnz | Justin disabled |
| 20:12.42 | pythonsnake | thewanderer1, nope. |
| 20:12.50 | Justin | cnz: oh well |
| 20:13.06 | pumafyre | babilen: does gnome-core install less than gnome-session? |
| 20:13.07 | ayers | There seems to be a technical issue with the lenny (oldstable) repository on (at least some) security.debian.org mirrors... |
| 20:13.19 | cnz | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30440135/ss.png that's the error that all pcs are giving |
| 20:13.22 | cnz | when trying to connect |
| 20:13.22 | babilen | pumafyre: gnome-session is smaller than gnome-core |
| 20:13.33 | ayers | E: Encountered a section with no Package: header |
| 20:13.35 | ayers | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_lenny_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 20:13.37 | ayers | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 20:13.39 | thewanderer1 | pythonsnake, so we've just established that it only happens when the disk is running and you click under X... does that work on any click, anywhere on the screen? also, when the screen is locked (the screensaver is running)? |
| 20:13.43 | babilen | ayers: Yes, known issue -- Hopefully fixed soon. |
| 20:13.52 | ayers | babilen: Thanks! |
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| 20:13.54 | Firztspawn | waits for the smb.conf pastebin |
| 20:13.55 | Justin | cnz: all? didn't you say before that others were working? |
| 20:14.11 | pumafyre | babilen: ok, just what I needed to know. minimal is good |
| 20:14.11 | cnz | Justin, thought it was but it's not |
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| 20:14.19 | cnz | it's giving the same error too |
| 20:14.25 | babilen | ayers: I am not sure about the current status, but the people in charge of it are aware of the problem |
| 20:14.27 | cnz | dunno why it would show a login box then give that error |
| 20:14.40 | Justin | cnz: because windows is shit? :) |
| 20:14.56 | cnz | that's a pretty arrogant statement |
| 20:15.03 | Firztspawn | cnz .. net basics... you can ping the server from the win 7 comps? |
| 20:15.04 | zinx | cnz: in this case, it's true |
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| 20:15.34 | cnz | Firztspawn, yep I can ping it, ssh/ftp/view swat |
| 20:15.35 | DarkJustice | babilen: ok removed the nvidia-agp.ko, should a reboot fix that? |
| 20:15.37 | cnz | but no samba |
| 20:15.44 | Firztspawn | lol .. the linux fanboism is not helping here |
| 20:15.52 | Firztspawn | ok |
| 20:16.05 | Dimitri7 | Hello guys, I need to install libvirt and I have main (libvirt 0.8.3) and backports (libvirt 0.9.6) repos for Squeeze in /etc/apt/sources.list. If I run aptitude install libvirt which version would aptitude choose to install? Thank you. |
| 20:16.17 | Justin | Firztspawn: calling piece of shit a piece of shit is not "fanboism" |
| 20:16.19 | zinx | Firztspawn: that's not the issue.. the issue is that it's a windows problem, and we're not equipped to diagnose such a thing in here |
| 20:16.28 | DarkJustice | I concur with Justin, it's not arrogant, it's just truth, windows sux |
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| 20:16.33 | valdyn | Dimitri7: read the instructions at debian-backports |
| 20:16.35 | Firztspawn | talk to the hand boys :) |
| 20:16.41 | babilen | brb |
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| 20:16.47 | Dimitri7 | valdyn, ok, thanks. |
| 20:16.57 | cnz | Firztspawn, getting pastebin now |
| 20:17.02 | Justin | cnz: http://www.ftw.net.au/windows-corner/10831-samba-networks-windows-7-a.html ? |
| 20:17.12 | pythonsnake | thewanderer1, no screen saver here. |
| 20:17.23 | sfsf32 | when i try to open a link in icedove by "open link in browser" it doesn't work and in errors console i gei this message: http://paste.debian.net/147957/ |
| 20:17.23 | Firztspawn | for the record, I agree with you... but at the end of the day, there are networks where linux and windows must communicate |
| 20:17.35 | pythonsnake | thewanderer1, it doesn't appear on any click. |
| 20:17.46 | pythonsnake | Just when I click on something.. like menus, icons... |
| 20:17.52 | thewanderer1 | hmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 20:17.54 | cnz | oh shit justin |
| 20:17.58 | cnz | didn't even think about it being wifi |
| 20:17.58 | pythonsnake | It also appears when something load.. |
| 20:18.16 | cnz | sorry for language |
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| 20:18.21 | thewanderer1 | pythonsnake, at what time exactly? *when* you click, or a second later? |
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| 20:19.38 | cnz | justin |
| 20:19.40 | cnz | I love you |
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| 20:19.50 | Firztspawn | ty Justin :) |
| 20:20.13 | cnz | it was the netbios issue |
| 20:20.13 | pythonsnake | thewanderer1, hmm |
| 20:20.21 | pythonsnake | when I click |
| 20:20.23 | pythonsnake | that |
| 20:20.25 | cnz | i have it turned off on all pc's and with wifi you have to have it enabled |
| 20:20.28 | pythonsnake | that's weird. |
| 20:20.48 | cnz | valdyn, here's the fix |
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| 20:20.48 | cnz | if you're on wifi |
| 20:20.49 | pythonsnake | That doesn't happen on other distros. |
| 20:20.52 | cnz | It appears the issue is related to the Microsoft Virtual WiFi Miniport Adapter, which was evidently installed with a driver update around the first week of April. Even though the adapter is disabled, it appears that any changes that you make to the settings on your "normal" wireless adapter also need made on this one. For me, this included enabling NetBIOS over TCP/IP (under IPv4 settings) and ensuring IPv6 was disabled. Again, THE INTERFACE IS DISABLED, but these change |
| 20:21.50 | thewanderer1 | pythonsnake, on other distros = when they were actually installed on your hard drive, or were you testing live? |
| 20:21.55 | Firztspawn | wonders when windows will decide to adopt the KISS mentality |
| 20:22.02 | pythonsnake | instaleed |
| 20:22.07 | thewanderer1 | pythonsnake, what happens is probably disk reads due to the OS needing to load some files |
| 20:22.07 | makk | files recently downloaded programs installed personal files.. all of them. like search. windows 7 calls it indexing. |
| 20:23.30 | cnz | Firztspawn what permissions should /home/downloads have so i can write/read to the share from the win7 pc's |
| 20:23.48 | valdyn | makk: apt-cache show tracker-gui |
| 20:24.10 | pumafyre | babilen: I'm looking for a link to the debian ppc repositories. My repo list is pretty hacked |
| 20:24.10 | Firztspawn | on commandline - I dunno.. I usually use a gui based app |
| 20:24.19 | pumafyre | babilen: deb squeeze |
| 20:24.36 | Firztspawn | I *think* 755 .. but read about it first |
| 20:24.59 | pythonsnake | thewanderer1, hmm? |
| 20:25.14 | valdyn | cnz: if you use different logins and want everyone to read/write all files you need to set a mask |
| 20:25.25 | pythonsnake | THe noise doesn't appear under windows as well. |
| 20:25.28 | thewanderer1 | pythonsnake, open a terminal window and call "while true; do smartctl -a /dev/sda | grep Load_Cycle_Count; sleep 10;" - observe if the counter (the last column) is increasing |
| 20:25.46 | thewanderer1 | if you hear a click and the counter increases, that's it... |
| 20:25.57 | cnz | valdyn, i just want my username to have read/write |
| 20:26.00 | jordanm | thewanderer1: "watch" |
| 20:26.01 | Firztspawn | cnz http://codex.wordpress.org/Changing_File_Permissions is a good read :) |
| 20:26.03 | cnz | i will be the only one accessing it anyways |
| 20:26.09 | jordanm | thewanderer1: well, watch -n 10 |
| 20:26.27 | cnz | thanks Firztspawn :) |
| 20:26.55 | valdyn | cnz: chown user.user /path/to/directory works |
| 20:27.17 | babilen | pumafyre: Hacked how? |
| 20:27.27 | Firztspawn | more reading cnz http://www.washington.edu/computing/unix/permissions.html |
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| 20:27.37 | cnz | valdyn, yeah did that |
| 20:27.45 | cnz | reading the permissions link Firztspawn gave |
| 20:27.48 | Justin | pumafyre: there is no 'debian ppc' repository. sources.list is the same for all archtectures |
| 20:27.52 | Firztspawn | also man chown |
| 20:27.55 | ner0x | Anyone here use xen? |
| 20:28.29 | thewanderer1 | jordanm, no, not watch. I need those outputs one below another. |
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| 20:29.07 | Dimitri7 | ner0x, me, but join #xen |
| 20:29.11 | Saliven | Hi all.. I hope this is the right place to ask.. Can I somehow get any kind of coloring to the tty? |
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| 20:29.27 | babilen | pumafyre: As Justin already said: There are no ppc specific entries in your sources.list -- Do you merely need a working sources.list or what is the problem? |
| 20:29.30 | cnz | weird not a permissions issue :/ |
| 20:29.45 | pumafyre | babilen: I didn't know what repositories to add so I added them from my other squeeze box, but it's an Intel. |
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| 20:29.49 | cnz | i did chown -R 777 /home/downloads (which is the share) |
| 20:29.59 | cnz | and still unable to create/delete |
| 20:30.02 | pumafyre | babilen: yes, exactly |
| 20:30.02 | pumafyre | Justin: I didn't know that |
| 20:30.04 | Firztspawn | er ... nothing should ever be 777 |
| 20:30.19 | babilen | pumafyre: Those should do nicely (assuming they are correct) -- You could paste them to http://paste.debian.net and we can take a look |
| 20:30.25 | pumafyre | babilen: I have redundant sources but I don't know which ones to comment out because they all look different to me and I don't know the difference between main and main contrib etc |
| 20:30.25 | thewanderer1 | Saliven, export PS1="\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[01;34m\] \W \$\[\033[00m\] "; alias ls="ls --color=auto"; alias grep="grep --color=auto"; # happy hacking :P |
| 20:30.30 | valdyn | cnz: that was not a valid command |
| 20:30.41 | babilen | pumafyre: Just paste them and we will take a look |
| 20:30.50 | pumafyre | babilen: I'll do that soon as I can figure out how :) |
| 20:31.12 | cnz | root@HTPC:/home# chown -R 777 downloads/ |
| 20:31.12 | cnz | root@HTPC:/home# |
| 20:31.16 | pythonsnake | thewanderer1, that's is what? |
| 20:31.20 | cnz | what's invalid about it? |
| 20:31.24 | babilen | pumafyre: Ah, X is not (yet) running and you can not install packages? |
| 20:31.36 | Justin | pumafyre: you just need one for the main mirror and one for security. each should have 'main contrib' or 'main contrib non-free' |
| 20:31.39 | Dimitri7 | cnz, chown user.group |
| 20:31.42 | pumafyre | babilen: it's installing |
| 20:31.57 | cnz | lol woops |
| 20:32.00 | pumafyre | Justin: ok. I have like 6 or 7. |
| 20:32.00 | Dimitri7 | cnz, chmod - R 777 /directories |
| 20:32.08 | ZekeS | pythonsnake: a colorized bash prompt and two aliases to automatically colorize ls and grep output |
| 20:32.11 | cnz | yeah i got em backwards |
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| 20:32.15 | pumafyre | babilen: I don't know how to copy and paste from pico :) |
| 20:32.18 | ZekeS | stuff to go in ~/.bashrc |
| 20:32.19 | Justin | 777 = fail |
| 20:32.22 | babilen | pumafyre: Which country are you in? |
| 20:32.24 | thewanderer1 | pythonsnake, if the load/unload count is increasing, it means that your disk is loading and unloading the magnetic head, which can make a clicking sound |
| 20:32.31 | pumafyre | babilen: us |
| 20:32.33 | pythonsnake | Zekah, hmm? |
| 20:32.38 | babilen | pumafyre: One second please |
| 20:32.46 | ZekeS | pythonsnake: nvm ._. |
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| 20:33.06 | pumafyre | i have deb and deb-src squeeze updates main |
| 20:33.17 | pythonsnake | thewanderer1, will try that. hold on |
| 20:33.49 | pumafyre | babilen: ok |
| 20:33.56 | cnz | Firztspawn sorry took so long here's the smb.conf http://pastebin.com/PdQYlgAh |
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| 20:34.32 | pythonsnake | thewanderer1, if it makes a click, then whats the conclusion? |
| 20:34.35 | cnz | Firztspawn sorry took so long here's the smb.conf http://pastebin.com/PdQY1agAh |
| 20:34.42 | babilen | pumafyre: http://paste.debian.net/147961 should do nicely (note that contrib and non-free are enabled which means that you can install non-free software) |
| 20:34.46 | babilen | !tell pumafyre -about contrib |
| 20:34.49 | babilen | !tell pumafyre -about non-free |
| 20:35.01 | pumafyre | thank you babilen |
| 20:35.19 | babilen | pumafyre: There are other repositories such as squeeze-updates and squeeze-proposed-updates, but you don't necessarily need them. |
| 20:35.25 | babilen | !tell pumafyre -about squeeze-updates |
| 20:35.29 | thewanderer1 | pythonsnake, if making clicks coincides in time with an increase in load/unload count, it's highly probable that it's the load/unload operation that's causing the noise and you can eliminate it by tuning the disk's power management |
| 20:35.31 | cnz | http://pastebin.com/PdQY1gAh |
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| 20:35.36 | babilen | !tell pumafyre about squeeze-proposed-updates |
| 20:35.40 | pumafyre | ok |
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| 20:36.02 | pythonsnake | thewanderer1, rebooting |
| 20:36.10 | Saliven | thewanderer1, Thank you very much :) |
| 20:36.12 | pumafyre | I have squeeze updates in my sources.list |
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| 20:36.26 | babilen | pumafyre: That's fine |
| 20:36.47 | Firztspawn | cnz you want passwords to access the download share? |
| 20:36.52 | babilen | pumafyre: If by "squeeze upates" you mean either "squeeze/updates" (from security) or "squeeze-updates" |
| 20:37.17 | cnz | i want everything/everyone to access to |
| 20:37.21 | cnz | i can access it and view it |
| 20:37.29 | cnz | i just can't write/delete |
| 20:37.42 | Firztspawn | change ; security = user to security = share |
| 20:38.21 | Firztspawn | sorry # security = user should be security = share |
| 20:38.45 | Firztspawn | by default samba will use passwords (from memory) |
| 20:39.04 | pumafyre | babilen: does it matter if the repos say "main contrib non-free" or "contrib non-free main" ? mine say the latter |
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| 20:39.16 | Justin | security should almost always be user |
| 20:39.23 | Firztspawn | also... when you run testparm .. does it list you share as writeable? |
| 20:39.37 | Firztspawn | Justin - only when you want passwords |
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| 20:39.51 | cnz | Firztspawn checking testparm |
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| 20:40.02 | babilen | pumafyre: It does not matter -- I personally prefer the former style though |
| 20:40.14 | pumafyre | babilen: I have the sources you pasted in my sources.list |
| 20:40.21 | kkb110 | #archlinux is closely chasing us, Users: #archlinux 1176 #debian 1214 |
| 20:40.29 | pumafyre | babilen: I do too. |
| 20:41.09 | Justin | cnz: you don't want people to have to login to this server? |
| 20:41.19 | thewanderer1 | kkb110, quick, run and update the wiki :) |
| 20:41.33 | cnz | justin, it's just me |
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| 20:41.45 | Justin | cnz: then you still want security=user |
| 20:42.03 | cnz | Firztspawn http://pastebin.com/r9fVRerq |
| 20:42.04 | Justin | security = share is really only needed for weird guest stuff |
| 20:42.05 | Firztspawn | but then he will require a password? |
| 20:42.11 | Justin | Firztspawn: no. shit. |
| 20:42.14 | cnz | i need to ask a mask for the /home/downloads share? |
| 20:42.14 | pumafyre | babilen: so by saying "main contrib non-free" am I able to access packages from different sources than if it just said "main" or "main contrib"? |
| 20:42.38 | cnz | Justin, not having to enter a password would be fine with me |
| 20:42.44 | Firztspawn | Justin - I dont think he wants to use passwords |
| 20:42.44 | ZekeS | Isn't there a page on the website detailing the differences? :) |
| 20:42.48 | cnz | no one is ever on my lan anyones |
| 20:42.59 | cnz | anyways* |
| 20:43.39 | Firztspawn | cnz add writeable = yes under your downloads section |
| 20:43.47 | cnz | k |
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| 20:44.36 | babilen | pumafyre: Yes, read the factoids dpkg told you about -- Also: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-sections |
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| 20:44.49 | pumafyre | babilen: thank you, I understand now |
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| 20:45.12 | pumafyre | babilen: and I understand why I was getting the error |
| 20:45.27 | cnz | ok i can create now but cannot delete |
| 20:45.36 | babilen | pumafyre: Hmm? "the error" ? |
| 20:46.30 | pumafyre | babilen: about redundant sources or something when I would apt-get update |
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| 20:47.13 | cnz | not being able to delete isn't that big of a deal would just like to know how to enable it |
| 20:47.17 | pumafyre | babilen: I had sources in my sources list that said 'main' and others that said 'main contrib non-free' but they were otherwise the same |
| 20:47.24 | cnz | btw thanks Firztspawn, valdyn, zinx and justin for all the help |
| 20:47.30 | Firztspawn | np |
| 20:47.32 | babilen | pumafyre: Which is redundant :) |
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| 20:48.24 | pumafyre | babilen: which I understand now :) thank you |
| 20:48.48 | Firztspawn | cnz... are you able to delete a file you have just pasted? or you cant delete an existing file? |
| 20:49.04 | cnz | can't delete existing or ones I create |
| 20:49.35 | pumafyre | babilen: ok. breakfast. thank you again |
| 20:49.58 | pythonsnake | thewanderer1, there's just a ">". |
| 20:50.07 | thewanderer1 | just a what? |
| 20:50.12 | thewanderer1 | oh wait. |
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| 20:50.35 | thewanderer1 | pythonsnake, add "done;" at the end... I forgot about that :P |
| 20:50.38 | babilen | pumafyre: You are welcome and may you enjoy your breakfast |
| 20:50.44 | Firztspawn | ls -l the share folder cnz |
| 20:50.54 | pythonsnake | thewanderer1, and I tried "smartctl" only |
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| 20:51.04 | pythonsnake | it gave me unknown, so it's not installed |
| 20:51.20 | pythonsnake | I tried to set up wireless but it seems that device isn't "managed" |
| 20:51.26 | thewanderer1 | pythonsnake, you need smartmontools (or sth like that) to have this command available |
| 20:51.48 | thewanderer1 | and about network-manager, it won't manage devices which are in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:51.59 | Firztspawn | cnz I dont want to see a pastebin of the result ... but do you have rw for all levels? |
| 20:52.01 | pythonsnake | How to fix that? |
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| 20:52.22 | cnz | Firztspawn one is set to 777 the one i created is 755 |
| 20:52.33 | cnz | user is cnz.cnz which is what Im logged in as |
| 20:52.47 | pythonsnake | Linux have too many problems :( |
| 20:53.01 | pythonsnake | But I guess it'll be rock solid when these are solved :) |
| 20:53.09 | Firztspawn | try changing all to cnz.users |
| 20:53.27 | WormFood | using vim, how do I insert a <ctrl>O into a document? |
| 20:53.28 | thewanderer1 | pythonsnake, did you add your wireless interface to /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 20:53.46 | pythonsnake | oh |
| 20:54.07 | thewanderer1 | well, if you did, that's why nm isn't willing to manage that! :P |
| 20:54.10 | pumafyre | babilen: thank you :) |
| 20:54.21 | cnz | wow i feel like a dumb ass |
| 20:54.21 | cnz | ;9 |
| 20:54.23 | cnz | :( |
| 20:54.27 | pythonsnake | rebooting |
| 20:54.40 | cnz | it was popping up with yes and no and I didn't even bother to read it |
| 20:54.44 | cnz | it as just a confirm box LOL |
| 20:55.08 | Firztspawn | ? |
| 20:55.21 | cnz | when i went to delete |
| 20:55.26 | cnz | i though tit was a deny box |
| 20:55.34 | cnz | I need to go get rest |
| 20:55.37 | Firztspawn | lol .. happens |
| 20:55.40 | cnz | im able to create/write |
| 20:55.49 | cnz | thanks again guys |
| 20:55.50 | Firztspawn | :) |
| 20:55.53 | Firztspawn | np |
| 20:56.09 | Firztspawn | altho Justin was the real saviour (his link) |
| 20:56.12 | cnz | Firztspawn i could create a network drive map right for \\192.168.11.10\Downloads |
| 20:56.18 | Firztspawn | without that we would be nowhere |
| 20:56.20 | cnz | so I don't have to type it in explorer every time |
| 20:56.31 | cnz | yeah, he was a life savor |
| 20:56.32 | Firztspawn | yup |
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| 20:57.21 | apsqwla | saver? |
| 20:58.32 | cnz | sweet all works |
| 20:58.38 | cnz | thanks justin for the saving link |
| 20:58.44 | cnz | all have a good day |
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| 21:05.34 | borkdy | encountered a section with no Package: header, problem with mergelist /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_lenny_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 21:05.46 | borkdy | this is the error i get on a fresh lenny install running apt-get update |
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| 21:08.51 | pythonsnake_prox | thewanderer1: on debian now |
| 21:08.58 | pythonsnake_prox | thewanderer1: you still here? |
| 21:09.06 | thewanderer1 | pythonsnake_prox, yeah |
| 21:09.27 | pythonsnake_prox | I see a lot of 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 070 070 000 Old_age Always - 60978 |
| 21:09.59 | thewanderer1 | pythonsnake_prox, is the number in the last column increasing? |
| 21:10.08 | pythonsnake_prox | No |
| 21:10.12 | pythonsnake_prox | still same |
| 21:10.16 | thewanderer1 | ok, that's not load/unloads then |
| 21:10.27 | pythonsnake_prox | Panic? |
| 21:10.41 | thewanderer1 | I've just run out of ideas, but now you know exactly under what conditions it happens and you can probably report it on some forum / mailing list |
| 21:10.57 | pythonsnake_prox | so.. |
| 21:10.57 | thewanderer1 | and precise error reports are a good start :P |
| 21:10.58 | pythonsnake_prox | panics |
| 21:11.04 | thewanderer1 | yeah, eject! |
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| 21:13.00 | pythonsnake_prox | what? the noises disapeared?! |
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| 21:14.56 | pythonsnake_prox | thewanderer1: but but |
| 21:15.15 | pythonsnake_prox | the noise comes when I open any app |
| 21:15.18 | thewanderer1 | huh :D |
| 21:15.45 | thewanderer1 | it means the disk is working... |
| 21:15.49 | pythonsnake_prox | if I open it again it's not here |
| 21:16.04 | thewanderer1 | because the data is cached in memory |
| 21:16.12 | pythonsnake_prox | but if I reboot and open it, it reappears |
| 21:16.30 | pythonsnake_prox | thewanderer1: conclusion: it's normal? |
| 21:16.44 | thewanderer1 | if you have a crappy disk, maybe |
| 21:16.54 | thewanderer1 | you'll move to an SSD some day anyway :P |
| 21:16.55 | pythonsnake_prox | seagate :( |
| 21:17.32 | Na_Klar | what's the recommended way to uninstall a software with all dependant packages? "apt-get remove xxx" then "apt-get purge"? Or can I remove the software witch all dependant packages at once? |
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| 21:17.56 | pythonsnake_prox | apt-get remove xxx; apt-get auto-remove |
| 21:18.08 | pythonsnake_prox | apt-get remove xxx; apt-get autoremove |
| 21:18.24 | pythonsnake_prox | Anyone knows a good math app? |
| 21:18.34 | pythonsnake_prox | exept latex |
| 21:19.38 | borkdy | Na_Klar: apt-get remove package --purge |
| 21:19.43 | borkdy | then apt-get autoremove --purge |
| 21:19.58 | borkdy | also look at deborphan |
| 21:20.02 | Na_Klar | k |
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| 21:21.43 | thewanderer1 | pythonsnake_prox, GNU octave or wxmaxima for general calculus, R for statistics and number crunching |
| 21:22.31 | somiaj | pythonsnake_prox: sagemath is collection of apps, but not aviable via debian repos. |
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| 21:24.17 | pythonsnake_prox | thewanderer1: crunching? |
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| 21:24.41 | asa | Hey, if I'm missing snd-usb-audio from alsa is it possible to somehow gain it? I uninstalled alsa/reinstalled and now my USB headset doesn't work, snd-usb-audio is reported missing |
| 21:25.14 | obiwahn | pythonsnake_prox: it eats numbers - and makes sounds like crunching rocks while eating:) |
| 21:25.27 | pythonsnake_prox | lolut |
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| 21:25.47 | remote | ? /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_lenny_updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages |
| 21:26.19 | thewanderer1 | pythonsnake_prox, processing data and giving meaningful results based on it :) |
| 21:26.52 | pythonsnake_prox | rebooting |
| 21:27.17 | thewanderer1 | wow, he sure does reboot a lot! |
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| 21:30.12 | remote | why am I having this error? E: Encountered a section with no Package: header |
| 21:30.12 | remote | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/debian.mirror.iweb.com_debian-security_dists_lenny_updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages |
| 21:30.15 | remote | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 21:30.31 | remote | err, sorry i tought i had the paste url in buffer http://paste.pocoo.org/show/516315/ |
| 21:30.47 | remote | that's from apt-get update |
| 21:31.23 | remote | it used to work fine and nothing special happened since it stopped working |
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| 21:32.40 | Justin | remote: looks like a debian issue |
| 21:32.51 | remote | how do you mean? |
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| 21:34.08 | Justin | remote: because I have the same probem |
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| 21:34.20 | remote | weird |
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| 21:39.15 | thewanderer1 | try a different mirror |
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| 21:39.32 | Justin | i doubt it's mirror related |
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| 21:39.49 | remote | i did try |
| 21:39.59 | remote | i even removed the file |
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| 21:40.23 | remote | Justin: what have you tried to do? |
| 21:40.29 | Justin | and since it is for security updates, there really aren't that many mirrors in the first place |
| 21:40.49 | Justin | you can comment out the security.debian.org entry in your sources.list in the meantime if you have to |
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| 22:04.05 | mikygee | hello i would like help with postfix |
| 22:04.12 | tynycore | hi |
| 22:04.20 | mikygee | with certificates |
| 22:04.28 | mikygee | hello |
| 22:04.44 | tynycore | does xfce receive security and bugfixe updates in debian 6 ? |
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| 22:05.33 | l1t | Anyone familiar with kerberos? When I attempt to connect using a kerberzied service (in my cas rsh) I get the error: Connection closed. Anyone know what the problem may be? |
| 22:05.41 | pythonsnake | thewanderer1, :P |
| 22:06.22 | thewanderer1 | tynycore, security updates only |
| 22:07.01 | tynycore | that's cool ! why bugfixes aren't provided ? |
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| 22:10.01 | babilen | tynycore: Debian stable is *stable* (i.e. not changing) -- That also applies to bugs. |
| 22:10.14 | babilen | tynycore: Or rather a subset of bugs |
| 22:10.19 | babilen | !tell tynycore -about stable |
| 22:11.24 | tynycore | thanks you ! |
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| 22:19.41 | qmr | Any bright ideas about how to capture a window every N seconds? |
| 22:19.50 | qmr | I tried scrot, but scrot is putting a mouse pointer in all my images |
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| 22:21.26 | Vasistha | qmr: man xwd ? |
| 22:22.04 | qmr | any other ideas? |
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| 22:22.34 | kasumi | sorry, what's this about? :D |
| 22:22.55 | qmr | kasumi: I want to take a screen shot every N seconds. without window decoration or moues pointer |
| 22:23.04 | kasumi | ouh ... |
| 22:23.15 | Vasistha | qmr: did you even look into xwd? |
| 22:23.34 | qmr | Vasistha: yes, that's why I said "any other ideas?" |
| 22:23.47 | qmr | I want to save as PNG, I don't want to take images with xwd, and then have to process them |
| 22:24.14 | kasumi | maybe pipe them to a self written converter? |
| 22:24.36 | Vasistha | processing isn't necessarily very difficult with imagemagick. xwd can dump a stream... |
| 22:24.38 | qmr | I'd prefer to just use a utility that isn't ass backwards |
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| 22:25.03 | qmr | yea imagemagick has 'import' .. trying to figure that out. I'm not sure how to find out my window's resource id |
| 22:25.42 | Vasistha | xvinfo |
| 22:25.55 | Vasistha | or xwininfo rather |
| 22:26.29 | qmr | Vasistha: :D thanks |
| 22:26.31 | qmr | xwininfo: Window id: 0x3800009 "Minecraft" |
| 22:26.42 | kasumi | uuuh~ another minecraft player :P |
| 22:26.51 | Vasistha | heh |
| 22:26.56 | qmr | kasumi: have you tried it? it's pretty great |
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| 22:27.18 | e_ | it's like heroine, trying it means using it |
| 22:27.26 | kasumi | well, yeah, i'm currently spending about 5-6 hours a day playing it |
| 22:27.45 | M0TRN_th1 | so I installed Debian wheezy last night and gave Gnome a real chance (just like I did for Unity and disqualified it) |
| 22:27.45 | qmr | I wish import autonamed files like scrot does |
| 22:27.55 | M0TRN_th1 | and actually the Gnome desktop works pretty well once you get used to it |
| 22:28.03 | qmr | kasumi: need a server to play on? |
| 22:28.26 | M0TRN_th1 | in fact Debian Testing works really well overall |
| 22:28.29 | M0TRN_th1 | better than ubuntu |
| 22:28.45 | babilen | M0TRN_th1: Glad to hear that. |
| 22:29.02 | qmr | oh? latest ubuntu releases are kind of lame ... I've been wondering what to switch to for desktop use |
| 22:29.13 | M0TRN_th1 | I'm not sad I switched from Ubuntu to Debian on this laptop for sure |
| 22:29.24 | Vasistha | qmr: d=$(date +%Y%m%d-%H%M); echo $d |
| 22:29.29 | Vasistha | whoa weird |
| 22:29.39 | Vasistha | qmr: d=$(date +%Y%m%d-%H%M%S); echo $d |
| 22:29.40 | qmr | Vasistha: you know I just opened up the manfile to start reading about that... :) |
| 22:29.49 | M0TRN_th1 | back in 1998-2004 or so I always used Debian then I switched to Ubuntu for desktops (still always Debian for servers), now I guess Debian is again worth its salt on desktop, which is great |
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| 22:31.41 | thewanderer1 | M0TRN_th1, woot, you had been missing out :P |
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| 22:32.00 | qmr | Vasistha: http://pastebin.com/9bPndHXH thanks |
| 22:32.12 | technologov | M0TRN_th1, why is this? Debian improved or Ubuntu degraded ? |
| 22:32.31 | qmr | You need like 8gb ram to run ubuntu nowadays :P |
| 22:32.38 | kasumi | both, i think :D |
| 22:32.48 | kasumi | freeBSD + gnome = 215MBs! |
| 22:33.51 | qmr | kasumi: play on my minecraft server yo |
| 22:34.00 | qmr | You could help me with this timelapse project |
| 22:34.12 | mhall119 | you don't need 8gb of ram for Ubuntu |
| 22:34.24 | kasumi | umm ... i'm a beginner .. |
| 22:34.29 | kasumi | i think i'd just suck :D |
| 22:34.30 | Vasistha | qmr: two bits of advice: first you can use xwininfo -name minecraft (or something of the sort) to get that part into the script, and then you can probably either parse the output or find a way to pass a flag (or use a different command) to just get the id |
| 22:34.36 | kasumi | and, well, where is your server located? |
| 22:34.54 | qmr | I'm being facetious of course. it runs poorly without lots of ram though |
| 22:35.00 | Vasistha | qmr: second, you could probably use the exit status of that same command I described in your while loop |
| 22:35.01 | qmr | kasumi: I'm not sure. somewhere in .us. |
| 22:35.10 | babilen | kasumi, qmr: Please take the minecraft chatter to a different channel or just /msg -- thank you :) |
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| 22:37.49 | gentz | Im running dnsmasq as a dhcp server on my laptop but i can't get it to assign a dhcp to the laptop its running on or any tohers? |
| 22:38.09 | valdyn | gentz: why cant you? |
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| 22:38.29 | gentz | valdyn: dhclient keeps saying no broadcast interfaces found |
| 22:38.41 | gentz | valdyn: even when i specify the port and interface |
| 22:40.01 | jhutchins_lt | gentz: The network interface needs to be up and configured with an address before dnsmasq can come up to listen/respond. |
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| 22:40.58 | valdyn | gentz: show us the complete command and output |
| 22:41.25 | Vasistha | qmr: oh here we go, I knew there was something better than xwinifo -- you want wmctrl -l |
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| 22:50.10 | M0TRN_th1 | technologov, Ubuntu degraded, then I finally tried Debian for a desktop and figured that it had improved also ;) |
| 22:50.31 | technologov | he he :) |
| 22:50.32 | gentz | jhutchins_lt, valdyn: i do ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 up. |
| 22:50.45 | M0TRN_th1 | ubuntu started being filled with all sorts of junk I'd expect to see on a commercial Android phone |
| 22:51.00 | M0TRN_th1 | plus Unity happened |
| 22:51.23 | gentz | then it looks like network-manager starts dhclient & tries to get dhcp from my router & fails, which then resets the address i set eth0 to |
| 22:51.41 | M0TRN_th1 | Unity is probably called so because it will lead them to have exactly 1 user left ;) |
| 22:51.45 | gentz | the router has dhcp server disabled btw |
| 22:52.05 | technologov | y.. The Space-Man :) |
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| 22:53.38 | kuznetzvo | so.. how hard would it be to use the Svideo out port on a laptop with nvidia gfx to be a "second screen" for use with outputting to a TV |
| 22:53.48 | kuznetzvo | i've never done it in linux before |
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| 22:54.17 | kuznetzvo | would i not have to add a screen to x manually, or is there a tool of some kind.. i didn't find anything specifically helpful in synaptic |
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| 22:54.26 | Justin | gentz: what are you trying to accomplish ? |
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| 22:54.43 | ShinyDarkness | Hello. Does anyone know of any command line tool to check what exact hardware I have? |
| 22:54.45 | kuznetzvo | laptop screen = os, terminal windows, etc. svideo = screen 2, 1024x768 via svideo to TV display |
| 22:54.50 | kuznetzvo | lspci? |
| 22:55.02 | somiaj | kuznetzvo: xrandr is the new standard, you can try 'xrandr -q' and it will list all connenctions it sees |
| 22:55.12 | kuznetzvo | somiaj! *hugs* |
| 22:55.34 | kuznetzvo | you always answer me quickly :) |
| 22:55.35 | gentz | Justin: I want to PXE boot another laptop on an offline lan over my router. |
| 22:55.36 | ShinyDarkness | kuznetzvo: Thanks. |
| 22:55.37 | somiaj | kuznetzvo: the old version was to use xinemera (or twinview) which you ahd to manually configure into your xorg.conf file. xrandr allows you to changes thigns ont he fly and most desktop enviorments have some front end to it |
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| 22:55.44 | thewanderer1 | ShinyDarkness, lshw |
| 22:55.55 | gentz | Justin: but i can't get the dhcp server dnsmasq working. |
| 22:56.02 | ShinyDarkness | thewanderer1: Thanks. |
| 22:56.24 | kuznetzvo | lshw not installed by default and requires root |
| 22:56.28 | kuznetzvo | err to install |
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| 22:57.42 | ShinyDarkness | kuznetzvo: I have root access to my machine. |
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| 22:57.59 | Justin | gentz: if you are trying to run a dhcp server on your laptop then you need to stop running a dhcp client on your laptop |
| 22:58.35 | kuznetzvo | lshw looks like it's going to tell you a lot more than you probably wanted to know :) |
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| 22:58.39 | gentz | Justin: then how can I test it? |
| 22:58.43 | kuznetzvo | then again, story of linux life |
| 22:58.52 | kuznetzvo | what specifically did u wanna know? |
| 22:59.03 | ShinyDarkness | kuznetzvo: What GPU I have. |
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| 22:59.12 | Justin | gentz: by botting the other machine? |
| 22:59.16 | ShinyDarkness | kuznetzvo: If I have one at all. |
| 22:59.23 | gentz | Justin: botting? |
| 22:59.26 | kuznetzvo | lemme see if i remember |
| 22:59.27 | Justin | gentz: booting |
| 22:59.30 | kuznetzvo | lspci | grep vga ? |
| 22:59.51 | gentz | Justin: yeah it says no DHCP or proxyDHCP offers were received |
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| 23:00.14 | ShinyDarkness | kuznetzvo: I still have to download it. |
| 23:00.30 | kuznetzvo | lspci? |
| 23:00.37 | kuznetzvo | it was in my standard install |
| 23:00.50 | Justin | gentz: are the dhcp discover packets even reaching you? |
| 23:00.53 | kuznetzvo | yeah lspci | grep VGA |
| 23:01.15 | ShinyDarkness | kuznetzvo: Oh, yes, it was already installed. |
| 23:01.19 | kuznetzvo | \o/ |
| 23:01.28 | ShinyDarkness | :D |
| 23:01.35 | gentz | Justin: will those show up in a log file or do i need to tcpdump? |
| 23:01.38 | kuznetzvo | if you get nothing for the | grep vga |
| 23:01.39 | ShinyDarkness | My ignorance and noobness shows. |
| 23:01.41 | kuznetzvo | make sure it's VGA not vga |
| 23:02.00 | kuznetzvo | pfft hang out here and get drunk, you'll retain enough to become quite good at linux. |
| 23:02.06 | ShinyDarkness | Yeah, I used "lspci | grep VGA". |
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| 23:03.13 | ShinyDarkness | I wanted to know if I could apply what I have been learning from a Stanford online course on parallel programming using CUDA. |
| 23:03.35 | ShinyDarkness | kuznetzvo: Haha, what would you recommend me to drink? |
| 23:03.46 | kuznetzvo | #debian-offtopic and i'll tell ya ;) |
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| 23:04.08 | Justin | gentz: tcpdump is your best bet |
| 23:04.46 | kuznetzvo | that or wireshark |
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| 23:04.52 | kuznetzvo | if you have never used tcpdump, use wireshark. lol |
| 23:05.01 | kuznetzvo | it makes it all easy :) |
| 23:05.22 | Justin | wireshark is overkill for this |
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| 23:18.16 | UnNamed | hi, i am following the manual instructions about "get boot.iso.gz, the zcat it to /dev/sd_letter-of-USB-stick" and the partition table reported by the usb stick is wrong (or so fdisk says, even after replugging the stick)... any idea? |
| 23:18.52 | gentz | Justin: yeah. II'm getting the BOOTP/DHCP Request Packet. |
| 23:19.25 | Vasistha | UnNamed: I don't suppose you've already tried booting from it? |
| 23:19.26 | Justin | gentz: sounds like you need to fix your dhcp server configuration then |
| 23:20.00 | UnNamed | Vasistha: no, it is for another machine that is off currently |
| 23:20.02 | gentz | Justin: I turned off network-manager since it kept trying to start dhclient |
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| 23:20.26 | UnNamed | Vasistha: and different arch, so no way to test with machines that are on |
| 23:20.29 | gentz | Justin: but that cleared resolv.conf. I put nameserver 127.0.0.1 in there, but i'm not sure if its right |
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| 23:21.19 | Vasistha | UnNamed: I really don't know how fdisk -l would react to seeing that image on a usb flash drive, but it might actually be fine even though fdisk complains |
| 23:21.28 | Vasistha | UnNamed: although I'm really not sure |
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| 23:22.42 | UnNamed | Vasistha: yeah, maybe it is not happy as the stick is bigger than the file dumped to the device |
| 23:23.16 | Vasistha | UnNamed: hmm, I don't think that would be the issue. I think it's more likely it doesn't like seeing something that looks like a cd boot image on a flash drive. but I'm not sure... |
| 23:23.46 | UnNamed | Vasistha: cfdisk also complains, both say the partition start well over the disk size |
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| 23:24.12 | Vasistha | UnNamed: yeah ... uhm, can you just test booting it anyway? |
| 23:24.29 | Justin | gentz: if yuo are using network manager don't turn it off, configure it for a static IP |
| 23:24.46 | UnNamed | Vasistha: i will, when i move the hw around :] |
| 23:24.46 | Vasistha | UnNamed: or do you need to be 100% sure it's alright, because you'll be taking it to another location where you wouldn't be able to write the image again? |
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| 23:25.15 | Vasistha | yeah, I'd just test it and see what it does |
| 23:25.47 | UnNamed | Vasistha: half-half, same place, but hw needs moving around (and a bit heavy), including power of current machine |
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| 23:27.56 | UnNamed | Vasistha: the mini.iso file makes fdisk happy, no idea what is the diff with the boot.img.gz one |
| 23:28.19 | Vasistha | UnNamed: hmm. well it is named .img rather than .iso :P |
| 23:29.11 | UnNamed | Vasistha: yep, but MANIFEST says the img one is for usb sticks |
| 23:29.49 | Vasistha | UnNamed: yeah I think everything is okay honestly. I just haven't had experience with it. I could try and test if I can find a usb stick |
| 23:30.21 | Vasistha | UnNamed: oh and also, you said it's for a different architecture, so that also may be the reason it's unrecognizable. Again I'm just guessing, though |
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| 23:31.50 | bergelmir | while installing debian (squeeze) i had no internet connection so i skipped its configuration. but now i am not able to connect to my wlan, but i don't know why. |
| 23:32.06 | UnNamed | Vasistha: x86, current machines 32, the usb is for a 64 bit |
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| 23:32.19 | somiaj | bergelmir: what card, you usually need non-free firmware for many wifi cards which isn't in the standard debian repo. |
| 23:32.20 | bergelmir | "Enable wireless" is disabled at my network-manager . |
| 23:32.24 | Vasistha | UnNamed: hmm well I don't think there would be a difference in boot images then |
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| 23:32.53 | Vasistha | bergelmir: yeah that's probably because network-manager has not detected a wireless card |
| 23:33.18 | Vasistha | bergelmir: you can probably find your card with lspci |
| 23:33.39 | Vasistha | !tell bergelmir about whats my hardware |
| 23:34.10 | bergelmir | 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 03) |
| 23:34.21 | Vasistha | ooh one of those |
| 23:34.50 | Vasistha | !tell bergelmir about rtl |
| 23:34.56 | dvs | bergelmir: that's not wireless |
| 23:35.26 | Vasistha | heh also a good point! |
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| 23:37.15 | UnNamed | Vasistha: i have the strange sensation that the img has to be dumped to a partition, not the full device (base in "file foo" i get from other things) |
| 23:37.36 | Vasistha | UnNamed: um, I don't think so. I think it should be dumped to the device. |
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| 23:38.04 | Vasistha | UnNamed: because you want to dump to the equivalent of the mbr for the device, and that is the first sector, not a partition |
| 23:38.36 | UnNamed | Vasistha: yes, but then fdisk should report something sensible (a tiny disk), not absurd sector offset |
| 23:39.00 | Vasistha | UnNamed: okay okay I'll look for my thumb drive and see if I can reproduce :) |
| 23:39.20 | UnNamed | Vasistha: no need, i am recovering the usb from previous image, to compare |
| 23:39.45 | UnNamed | Vasistha: if you have it at hand and lot of free time, ok, thanks a lot |
| 23:39.56 | dvs | UnNamed: Why are you cat'ing the boot.img.gz file to a USB drive? |
| 23:40.51 | bergelmir | lspci > http://paste.debian.net/147990/ |
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| 23:41.01 | UnNamed | dvs: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 23:41.27 | bergelmir | my network-manager now says "device not ready" |
| 23:41.37 | UnNamed | dvs: it says "zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX" |
| 23:42.25 | dvs | UnNamed: Why not follow the instructions in 4.3.1? |
| 23:42.46 | Hatori | Bergeimir are you sure have plug it in |
| 23:43.05 | UnNamed | dvs: that one gave me a hidden ntfs partition and a fat empty partition |
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| 23:43.34 | dvs | ??? |
| 23:43.47 | dvs | UnNamed: you probably didn't do it right. |
| 23:43.49 | bergelmir | Hatori: i switched from ubuntu to debian today, no other changes so far. |
| 23:44.10 | borkdy | hi guys, im at a loss as to why im getting this error, any suggestions would be great, thanks: http://borkd.paste.to/MTIwODM4 |
| 23:44.50 | Hatori | Bergelmir new install? |
| 23:44.55 | bergelmir | Hatori: yep |
| 23:45.45 | UnNamed | dvs: maybe, it was the netboot one... i guess i better try with the "really a cd" isos |
| 23:45.46 | Hatori | My debian working greatly.what your lan card? |
| 23:45.46 | Hatori | My debian working greatly.what your lan card? |
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| 23:47.09 | borkdy | here is my sources.list file http://borkd.paste.to/MTIwODQz |
| 23:47.12 | dvs | UnNamed: netinst.iso should still work. |
| 23:47.33 | borkdy | this procedure has always worked fine before so im thinking something has changed on the packages server end |
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| 23:47.42 | borkdy | [for lenny] |
| 23:47.51 | UnNamed | dvs: trying that one. bigger, 168 vs 25 of the other, so it would take some time to download and the write |
| 23:47.56 | UnNamed | and then write |
| 23:50.25 | Vasistha | UnNamed: hey where'd you get the .img ? |
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| 23:51.35 | skybound | borkdy: i assume you have already tried to delete that file and fetch a new copy (apt-get update)? |
| 23:51.50 | borkdy | skybound: correct |
| 23:52.08 | borkdy | this is a fresh install, all i have changed is editing the sources.list file |
| 23:52.30 | UnNamed | Vasistha: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 23:52.31 | Schiz0 | I want to use my debian box as a home router. The debian box has 4 ethernet ports. I have it connected to my modem (it's just a modem, not a modem/router) and getting an IP from my ISP. Can I connect my windows pc directly to the debian box via ethernet, and then setup the proper routes/gateway options? Or do I need a ethernet hub or switch between the windows box and debian box? |
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| 23:53.18 | gentz | Justin: network-manager isn't upping eth0 (and when i do it manually w/ ifconfig it still doesn't work). my interface file: http://pastebin.com/H0kacT5d |
| 23:53.27 | dvs | UnNamed: sid? No wonder why it failed. |
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| 23:54.01 | skybound | i didn't look at your sources.list posting, but i would guess the file is corrupt on the server; i would just wait until the problem solves itself; if you need to install something now just remove the security entry for your sources (for now!) |
| 23:54.03 | Vasistha | Schiz0: you could hook it up directly but you will probably need a special cable, what's that cable called? there's a name for it... it needs to be wired differently. |
| 23:54.23 | Vasistha | Schiz0: crossover |
| 23:54.37 | bergelmir | my network-manager now says "Wireless networks: disconnected" |
| 23:54.45 | Schiz0 | Ah, ok. So without the crossover cable, I'd need to have a switch/hub in between the two boxes? |
| 23:54.47 | ZekeS | Vasistha: if one of the ethernet cards is GigE he shouldnt need one :p |
| 23:54.58 | Vasistha | nice. |
| 23:55.01 | nkuttler | gentz: what do you mean by doesn't work? |
| 23:55.03 | Schiz0 | hm |
| 23:55.12 | Vasistha | Schiz0: tias :) |
| 23:55.28 | mattalexx | I'm trying to install from a USB stick that was created with unetbootin. It says it needs special firmware files in order to continue, so I downloaded the "firmware.tar.gz" file, copied that file into the root of the USB stick, and tried again. But it's still complaining that it can't find the file. Do I have to extract the firmware.tar.gz file? How can I prepare the USB stick to deliver the firmware files when they're needed? |
| 23:55.29 | gentz | nkuttler: if eth0 is down. it will not be brought up when ir estart network-manager. If it is up, it will not be assigned the ip address. |
| 23:55.38 | Schiz0 | yeah, i'll try it, thanks |
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| 23:56.18 | UnNamed | Vasistha: well, using netinst one, it generates something that fdisk can list (weird type, hidden ntfs, but offsets are sane) |
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| 23:56.50 | ZekeS | Schiz0: if you have a gigabyte ethernet card, it generally can switch the needed pins on its own - connected my main pc to an old ibook using a normal cable when installing debian. I just manually configured the "network" though ... |
| 23:56.52 | nkuttler | gentz: nm doesn't touch anything that's in /etc/network/interfaces . |
| 23:57.23 | nkuttler | gentz: and afaik nm doesn't bring up interfaces out of the box, it just configures them |
| 23:57.35 | ZekeS | ip = fun happytimes command |
| 23:58.06 | gentz | nkuttler: when set dhcp in interfaces nm , brings it up & configures it |
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