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| 02:43.36 | lfs | They were both at a PC exposition in Chicago |
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| 02:44.03 | technologov | cafuego, o ! really? Which distro he uses? |
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| 02:44.25 | cafuego | technologov: I didn't ask :-) |
| 02:44.34 | cafuego | technologov: And I was sitting across, so I didn't see either, |
| 02:44.58 | cafuego | Pretty use he uses red hat though |
| 02:45.06 | cafuego | DEFINITELY NOT GENTOO |
| 02:45.09 | yagoo | . |
| 02:45.11 | yagoo | ok |
| 02:45.34 | yagoo | everything cool.. |
| 02:45.35 | haruka | hi, I have a DWA-110 wireless adapter, and it's giving me absolute hell in squeeze. both network-config-gnome and Wicd see the adapter, the adapter sees the router, connecting always gives bad/incorrect password. and, it's not. ive changed it meticulously three times now in the router, saved and rebooted, and checked with other machines. |
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| 02:45.46 | yagoo | abrotman, sorry about that confusion.. he shared my videotron.ca |
| 02:46.01 | yagoo | (i mean he's on the same isp) |
| 02:46.39 | abrotman | i know |
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| 02:47.23 | haruka | actually wait, some devices are giving bad password errors too. wtf is going on. |
| 02:47.56 | yagoo | cafuego, you shouldn't say things like that. "Lies".. alien never does a full job right. I stand by my own belief that the tarball is always better. you can say anything to other people.. but this is my opinion. |
| 02:48.21 | abrotman | yagoo: depends on the source package .. some things alien does well, others .. not so much |
| 02:48.35 | cafuego | yagoo: it depends entirely on what you do with the tarball. |
| 02:48.57 | cafuego | yagoo: IF I use alien, I invariably extract the tarball and manually copy any files it cointains that I might need. |
| 02:49.06 | cafuego | yagoo: It's *perfect* for that |
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| 02:49.43 | yagoo | yadyada.. but one still cant tell if essential items may have been taken out.. like manpages etc.. |
| 02:50.13 | cafuego | yagoo: So? |
| 02:50.16 | yagoo | i reckon the control files would be helpful to grab knowing someone already did some of that homework.. |
| 02:50.42 | cafuego | yagoo: aliening something into a tarball is a last resort |
| 02:51.01 | cafuego | yagoo: at that stage I'm happy to find a working binary, not fussed about a missing manpage :-) |
| 02:52.07 | yagoo | i actually thought once they hard core debianers wanted to fully take out alien permanently.. |
| 02:52.08 | Dulak | And if you'd spend an hour learning how to cut a real deb you could avoid all those one-off untrackables. |
| 02:52.28 | cafuego | Dulak: That's what /usr/lcoal is for - untracked junk |
| 02:53.00 | abrotman | and stow/checkinstall |
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| 02:53.08 | rofer_ | I'm on 2.6.32-5-amd64 and I'm trying to get the non-free nvidia drivers to work. I can install nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-amd installed, but it seems to use the 195 drivers while nvidia-glx uses 290. Can anyone help me get this working? |
| 02:53.11 | Dulak | cafuego: I have no untracked junk, but I spent the hour reading how to cut a deb. |
| 02:53.28 | cafuego | Dulak: Sometimes (eg: proprietary printer drivers) there's no source |
| 02:53.30 | se7 | Are netinstall ISOs available for debian-testing made available? |
| 02:53.41 | cafuego | Dulak: And I can't be arsed making a deb for two scripts. |
| 02:53.46 | abrotman | se7: yes, but they may or may not work .. and may or may not eat your pet |
| 02:53.57 | cafuego | Dulak: I am well aware of how to create a deb package. |
| 02:54.05 | se7 | abrotman: where might I find those? debian-cd/ only has 6.0.3 |
| 02:54.08 | abrotman | se7: the better plan (if possible) is to install stable, dist-upgrade form there |
| 02:54.21 | se7 | oh well :) |
| 02:54.37 | lfs | I hope I didn't screw up grub |
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| 02:56.19 | Dulak | cafuego: every argument you've given is just an excuse to be lazy. If you were doing that crap on an enterprise server you would be out of a job right quick. It's the difference between a professional and a hobbyist. I'm not trying to be a jerk really, but being proud that you are too lazy to do it the right way gets on my nerves. |
| 02:56.45 | cafuego | Dulak: Being a sysadmin is all about being lazy. |
| 02:57.00 | haruka1 | wow this is pathetic |
| 02:57.13 | haruka1 | WEP works fine on my router, yet WPA doesnt. guess its not a debian issue. |
| 02:57.20 | cafuego | Dulak: The enterprise box doesn't need the printer drivers anyway. |
| 02:57.21 | abrotman | haruka1: looked for a firmware update ? |
| 02:57.35 | cafuego | Dulak: I stand by my choice to not bother cutting a deb from an rpm for two desktop boxes. |
| 02:57.45 | haruka1 | yeah, i'm going to, this is just weird because WPA *was* working fine until yesterday, on this router, to a laptop in the house. |
| 02:57.47 | cafuego | Dulak: If that irritates you, so be it. I can live with that. |
| 02:58.00 | yagoo | Dulak, hehehe |
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| 02:58.07 | abrotman | haruka1: also consider one of your devices is causing WPA to crash on the router |
| 02:58.20 | haruka1 | yeah, that is a strong possibility |
| 02:58.32 | haruka1 | there's new firmware out so i'll bbl, upgrading it. |
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| 02:58.46 | yagoo | haruka1, try changing the channel from #6 |
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| 02:59.04 | yagoo | haruka1, might be alot of 2.4ghz interference |
| 02:59.38 | haruka1 | nah |
| 02:59.52 | haruka1 | well its on ch #1 by default |
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| 03:00.13 | haruka1 | i would be suprised if its interference, but ill change channels after firmware update. brb, its gonna knock me offline. |
| 03:00.14 | yagoo | haruka1, then set it to #1.. i believe #6 could be the default |
| 03:00.18 | rofer_ | How difficult is it to downgrade to a kernel in the repos? |
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| 03:00.49 | abrotman | rofer_: from what to what ? |
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| 03:01.11 | rofer_ | 2.6.32-5-amd64 to whatever is in testing (2.6.26 something iirc) |
| 03:01.21 | abrotman | isn't that an upgrade ? |
| 03:01.35 | rofer_ | I accidentally upgraded a lot of stuff to sid |
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| 03:01.45 | yagoo | rofer_, i don't think it would be easy.. because you have to consider dbus |
| 03:01.54 | rofer_ | I'm current on 2.6.32-5-amd64 and want to go down to whatever is in testing |
| 03:02.04 | abrotman | testing has 3.x.x |
| 03:02.11 | haruka1 | wow this is amazing. can't even upgrade the firmware. the web UI is dying. |
| 03:02.30 | yagoo | haruka1, you're supposed to do that wired.. |
| 03:02.33 | rofer_ | Hmmm... then why aren't I on 3.x.x? I did an apt-get update and upgrade? |
| 03:02.49 | abrotman | you did it wrong ? |
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| 03:03.03 | haruka1 | yagoo: i am |
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| 03:03.22 | rofer_ | I have wheezy in my sources file |
| 03:03.28 | rofer_ | Hmmm... I think I might have an idea of what it is |
| 03:03.51 | reeeeeesty | any idea why my pc (hardwired) would kick off all my wireless devices when i turn it on? wireless devices cannot re-connect to router for 10 minutes. |
| 03:04.19 | yagoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.27 | rofer_ | I have APT::DefaultRelease "wheezy"; in apt.conf.d, could that be causing me problems? |
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| 03:11.08 | reeeeeesty | yagoo: thank you ! i havnt changed it. but i just put it in their last week. ill try that. |
| 03:11.46 | CrazyGir | what should one do if they have a gpg error from mozilla's deb repo? |
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| 03:12.44 | CrazyGir | running the gpg check from the asc on http://mozilla.debian.net/ does not succeed |
| 03:12.50 | Dulak | CrazyGir: install the pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring package to get the newest key |
| 03:13.05 | kfogel | CrazyGir: as in no match, or as in explicit mismatch? |
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| 03:14.54 | AkhIL | greetings. I have a problem with gnome3. Where I should post information about it? |
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| 03:17.03 | yagoo | AkhIL, are you trying to do classic mode? |
| 03:17.33 | AkhIL | no. I'm using gnome shell but I have some problems |
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| 03:17.51 | yagoo | AkhIL, problems.. like a bug? |
| 03:18.09 | AkhIL | one is bug |
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| 03:18.28 | yagoo | AkhIL, so check the bug reports.. see if others have reported it |
| 03:19.03 | abrotman | AkhIL: what kind of bug ? |
| 03:19.43 | AkhIL | I have twinview dual monitor setup and i have big white rectangle which covers screen unlock dialog after screensaver activation |
| 03:19.58 | yagoo | AkhIL, twinview is the nvidia proprietary driver.. |
| 03:20.07 | AkhIL | yes |
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| 03:20.13 | yagoo | AkhIL, you'll have to toy around with driver options.. and this is a real pita.. |
| 03:20.21 | AkhIL | but this seems like just an another window |
| 03:21.07 | yagoo | AkhIL, often more than not.. you can find tips and bits about twinview from others using generic linux distros, it may be as simple as a line or two in xorg.conf.. |
| 03:21.31 | yagoo | AkhIL, you using dual monitors? that's what twinview is for.. |
| 03:21.48 | yagoo | oh sorry you mentioned that .. |
| 03:21.58 | AkhIL | yes |
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| 03:22.05 | AkhIL | i have two monitors |
| 03:22.12 | yagoo | AkhIL, I would check any log.. see if there are any warnings/errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 03:23.40 | yagoo | AkhIL, and it only happens with the screensaver? |
| 03:23.40 | AkhIL | nothing interesting in log. |
| 03:23.44 | AkhIL | yes |
| 03:23.58 | AkhIL | when I make screenlock from menu all works fine |
| 03:24.03 | yagoo | AkhIL, i'm guessing you're not using xscreensaver? |
| 03:24.25 | AkhIL | can't find anything about screensaver in gnome3 |
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| 03:26.00 | Dulak | Holy crap, one comment from Linus about gnome3 being more usable with some extensions and the bandwagon has started. |
| 03:26.07 | AkhIL | there is only delay to turn of screen in system control |
| 03:26.47 | acu | how can I reset Xorg.conf ? |
| 03:27.11 | acu | In debian squeeze - I moved a hard disk from a system with one vga with a different one |
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| 03:27.51 | acu | what is the command now - it was like dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 03:28.44 | AkhIL | as I know now X can work even without xorg.conf at all |
| 03:29.03 | yagoo | AkhIL, it's possible it might be related to powerstates.. i picked up you can try turning off something with dpms-->vbetool dpms off |
| 03:29.11 | acu | well it works so - but I want to erase whatever other settings the previous card had |
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| 03:31.27 | AkhIL | yagoo, thank you for tips |
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| 03:33.08 | CrazyGir | Dulak: ah, I didn't realize that was the "newest" key |
| 03:33.10 | CrazyGir | thanks :) |
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| 03:33.31 | yagoo | AkhIL, try that in an xterm box.. see if there's any freeze after.. if it works you can try adding that to an ~/.xinitrc file |
| 03:34.21 | yagoo | dam distros.. you might as well just use |
| 03:34.29 | yagoo | ~/.xsession |
| 03:34.29 | apt | ~/.xsession is the file for per-user X config if you use xdm/startx. E.g. "startkde". works with gdm if you select a Debian session. It's a script; put the commands you want (with & after them if they hang around), then your WM or DE last (no & on it). |
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| 03:36.17 | Dulak | CrazyGir: np |
| 03:37.03 | gnarface | ok this is a really dumb question and the reason why i have to ask it is really a lot dumber, i'm sorry, but lets not get into that. here's the question: if i install a bare minimum debian squeeze install (no mail server even) and then someone installs sendmail without my permission, is it gonna be easy to switch it to exim4 or should i just reinstall? |
| 03:37.53 | jordanm | gnarface: switching shouldn't be an issue. sendmail will be removed when you install exim |
| 03:38.28 | yagoo | gnarface, /var/mail and mbox are standard end-user mailboxes.. you don't have to worry about changing mta daemons.. |
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| 03:38.39 | jordanm | gnarface: its difficult to produce a minimal install without getting exim by default, as cron will pull it in |
| 03:38.48 | abrotman | gnarface: shuld be easy |
| 03:38.50 | gnarface | ok thanks guys. that's the type of stuff i was worried about |
| 03:39.10 | gnarface | jordanm: believe it or not i managed it, on 22 machines |
| 03:39.35 | yagoo | gnarface, you can change it.. you'll just have to reconfigure it.. but you don't lose your end user data.. |
| 03:39.39 | jordanm | gnarface: not using recommends? |
| 03:39.43 | gnarface | jordanm: not only that i managed to do it without noticing you COULD install debian without a mail server (that alone was news to me) |
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| 03:40.06 | gnarface | jordanm: uh... in package config i just unchecked everyhing |
| 03:40.12 | yagoo | gnarface, and of course if the other administrator removes your current mta, often the custom settings you left behind are not purged by default.. |
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| 03:40.16 | jordanm | I believe cron is the only thing is the base system that pulls it in, through a recommends |
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| 03:41.16 | gnarface | yagoo: yea... i'm keeping my own backups anyway |
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| 03:42.03 | haruka | Ok. |
| 03:42.12 | gnarface | mostly i was just worried i'd get errors about stuff depending specifically on the mail package i'd installed |
| 03:42.19 | gnarface | and then not letting me remove it |
| 03:42.21 | yagoo | gnarface, but don't work with dumb people.. i would leave that company if there's that much mistrust at your workplace |
| 03:42.38 | haruka | iPhone can connect to the router via WPA2. that's a start. Wicd is still saying 'bad password' though, which is garbage. |
| 03:42.38 | gnarface | yagoo: < freelancer |
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| 03:43.07 | haruka | any idea what i should do to get more info, given that the error message is blatently wrong? |
| 03:43.19 | gnarface | yagoo: i don't "work there" in that sense. i'm the guy they call to clean up the mess. |
| 03:44.13 | gnarface | yagoo: but your advice is good advice that i'd give anyone. |
| 03:44.14 | yagoo | gnarface, sounds like you have a homer simpson at the work place.. you should keep all the donuts for yourself |
| 03:44.15 | langkid1 | can someone please point me to a walkthrough on running a Terraria server on debian? |
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| 03:44.50 | boudiccas | langkid1; has your google foo failed you? i.e. have you googled for it? |
| 03:45.03 | langkid1 | boudiccas, no, I'm just lazy |
| 03:45.07 | gnarface | langkid1: i'm not sure what a Terraria is but doesn't their website have that info? |
| 03:45.11 | abrotman | haruka: but it works fine with WEP? how are you connecting ? |
| 03:45.11 | langkid1 | :O |
| 03:45.18 | langkid1 | gnarface, it's a Windows based game |
| 03:45.25 | langkid1 | can't really run on linux or mac |
| 03:45.38 | gnarface | langkid1: oh, then your answer is easy. look here: winehq.org (search in the appdb) |
| 03:45.48 | haruka | abrotman - via wicd-client. i just read that some people are having issues with WPA2 on wird, so i'm going to try the standard gnome network config app. |
| 03:46.18 | gnarface | langkid1: for support on *debian* you can come here. for support on wine though you'll need to go to #winehq (sorry) |
| 03:46.45 | abrotman | haruka: on wheezy/gnome3 .. i use wpa fine .. but i haven't tried many other environments |
| 03:47.04 | langkid1 | l |
| 03:47.04 | langkid1 | k* |
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| 03:48.30 | haruka | abrotman: mm, ive used it before here and hasnt been a problem. quick reboot ; |
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| 03:50.59 | FearOfMusic | is there anyway to do a network install over wifi using WPA? |
| 03:51.38 | abrotman | with Debian? not that i'm aware of |
| 03:51.55 | abrotman | you oculd make a custom netinst maybe .. not sure it's worth that mount of effor |
| 03:51.57 | abrotman | effort |
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| 03:55.20 | aidalgol | FearOfMusic: I think the testing installer provides that, but not realy an option if you want o install stable. |
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| 03:56.19 | FearOfMusic | well i was planning on installing unstable... though my understanding is that you would still use stable installer to do so (and dist-upgrade) |
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| 03:56.56 | FearOfMusic | because there are not any install ISOs for testing/unstable that im aware of |
| 03:56.59 | abrotman | that's generally recommended .. but we can't stop you from trying the testing netinst .. it just might not work today |
| 03:57.16 | abrotman | FearOfMusic: debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ... look for the testing netinst link .. |
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| 03:57.32 | yagoo | things FearOfMusic believes testing==unstable which is incorrect |
| 03:57.54 | FearOfMusic | i realize they are different |
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| 03:59.48 | haruka | danm. gnome network manager doesn't work either. |
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| 04:00.02 | haruka | well, its not the router, its not the pc, so it can only be debian or the wifi adapter. |
| 04:00.21 | yagoo | haruka, you type "route -n" to print out the laptop's routing table |
| 04:00.45 | minty | im so frustrated. i tried the kde-live dvd iso and a netinstall and installed kde myself but whenever i try to run the install app i get an error that says kernals dont match (386 vs 686) and that it isn't going to install a usable system |
| 04:00.52 | haruka | yagoo: hang on, girlfriends got it. |
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| 04:01.26 | yagoo | haruka, i think you're crazy.. i don't want to be in the middle of you two fighting over this little laptop |
| 04:01.39 | yagoo | :) |
| 04:01.56 | haruka | haha. |
| 04:02.05 | haruka | no, shes not home. just had to fetch it from her lair |
| 04:02.25 | haruka | plus she'll be twice as angry if she comes home to find the wifi is broken! |
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| 04:02.45 | yagoo | haruka, before i continue to help in anyway.. please do me a favor in locking the front door :) |
| 04:02.57 | haruka | already done |
| 04:03.10 | haruka | (i dont like suprise visits) |
| 04:03.11 | yagoo | haruka, mwahaha.. now get the routing table! |
| 04:03.17 | haruka | yep, im on it. |
| 04:03.24 | minty | "Live system kernal and installer kernel don't match the installer can only be used if the kernel versions of the live system (2.6.32-5-686) and of the installer (2.6.32-5-486) are the same. please reboot with the correct kernal (2.6.32-5-486_ |
| 04:03.46 | haruka | in the meantime, i read about some people having issues with these adapters, due to a module conflict or something |
| 04:04.08 | haruka | i followed some guides to try to use the correct module but for some reason it won't let me remove the old modules, so i sorta gave up. |
| 04:04.12 | haruka | but that might be relevant somehow |
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| 04:04.45 | yagoo | haruka, talking more won't make your laptop more sympathetic towards you. |
| 04:04.55 | yagoo | haruka, it still doesn't fix it |
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| 04:05.10 | haruka | yeah hold up, just making social while laptop boots. |
| 04:05.26 | yagoo | haruka, now how old is that laptop.. it's crawling like a bug |
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| 04:05.55 | haruka | its booted now |
| 04:06.07 | haruka | laptop is a windows box, rounte -n doesnt seem to be valid |
| 04:06.19 | yagoo | haruka, it's actually route -n, not rounte |
| 04:06.31 | haruka | yeah, i meant that. |
| 04:06.54 | haruka | 'route -n' for win7 brings up the route /help or manpage equivilant |
| 04:07.05 | yagoo | haruka, well if its invalid i can only dream what numbers can be displayed.. hold on while i get my crystal ball |
| 04:07.26 | haruka | heh |
| 04:07.27 | yagoo | gazes into his magical crystal ball to read what's on haruka's screen |
| 04:07.49 | minty | how can i install squeeze? |
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| 04:08.04 | yagoo | haruka, you need Nick Burns. |
| 04:08.22 | AkhIL | ahaha. switching to console and back to X removes that rectangle. So seems like realy nvidia's problem |
| 04:08.44 | Hackbat | anyone know if sane has a good windows client? I only ask here cause I know #windows will just go "What's sane?" |
| 04:08.44 | haruka | yagoo: route PRINT yeilds an IPv4 and IPv6 routing table. |
| 04:08.51 | technologov | minty, download it... |
| 04:08.59 | yagoo | haruka, I have no idea why you're f bringing up Windows 7 into this. |
| 04:09.00 | technologov | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.3-i386-kde-desktop.iso |
| 04:09.07 | technologov | minty, that link |
| 04:09.15 | haruka | yagoo - the laptop runs win7. you asked for the route table on the laptop. i have obtained it. |
| 04:09.24 | technologov | or u want 100% offline install ? |
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| 04:09.55 | haruka | there was a minor delay in obtaining it due to a difference in the argument you gave me and the argument for my desktop debian box. |
| 04:09.58 | yagoo | haruka, why you talking about "modules" and all sorts of things? you actually wiped out linux and now asking on how to do wifi in win7? |
| 04:10.04 | haruka | no.. |
| 04:10.08 | minty | technologov, i downloaded it more than once but i keep running into this problem: "Live system kernal and installer kernel don't match. the installer can only be used if the kernel versions of the live system (2.6.32-5-686) and of the installer (2.6.32-5-486) are the same. please reboot with the correct kernal (2.6.32-5-486) |
| 04:10.19 | haruka | sigh.. yagoo: our conversation is de-synched. |
| 04:10.29 | haruka | let me start again and i will be meticulous about communication. |
| 04:10.31 | yagoo | "<haruka> i followed some guides to try to use the correct module but for some reason it won't let me remove the old modules, so i sorta gave up." |
| 04:10.44 | yagoo | haruka, you sure like to decoy ! :) |
| 04:10.52 | haruka | decoy what? |
| 04:11.03 | technologov | minty, then download full DVD set - 8 DVDs: |
| 04:11.04 | technologov | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/i386/iso-dvd/ |
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| 04:11.06 | yagoo | haruka, talk straight please.. what are you fixing here? |
| 04:11.24 | haruka | that's what im typing up. wait a moment. |
| 04:11.25 | technologov | this one is most stable |
| 04:12.01 | haruka | D-link DSL-2624B router. WPA2 wifi. works fine on iPhone. works fine on win7 laptop. does not work fine on debian squeeze desktop box, using a D-link DWA-110 adapter (confirmed to work on other machines). |
| 04:12.36 | haruka | Desktop box always yeilds a 'bad password' or 'authentication failed' style error depending on what application responds. Wicd and gnome-network-manager or equivilant I have both tried, and both do the same thing. |
| 04:12.37 | yagoo | haruka, um.. ok.. so uh.. why would you have wifi on a desktop? |
| 04:12.51 | lstarnes | yagoo: no ethernet? |
| 04:12.57 | haruka | because this pc is going into the garage as a work pc. There's no ethernet in there. |
| 04:13.18 | yagoo | haruka, have you tried the laptop from the garage? |
| 04:13.28 | yagoo | haruka, if it connects from there? |
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| 04:13.58 | haruka | nope. i can do that, but right now im at my office desk, not in the garage. the laptop and the debian box are both next to each other, approximately 1 meter away from the DSL/wifi router. |
| 04:14.39 | NyShayyjsndb | http://bit.ly/uPBolO |
| 04:14.43 | haruka | so it's obviously not a signal issue |
| 04:14.48 | yagoo | haruka, ok |
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| 04:15.39 | simonlnu | NyShayyjsndb: we're not going to be visiting that... |
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| 04:16.16 | yagoo | haruka, but you should check anyways.. you'll do all this time trying to set it up-- only to find out the garage walls cut off the signal too much.. |
| 04:16.26 | haruka | ok, ill check |
| 04:17.02 | yagoo | haruka, btw.. can you even do an iwlist scan with dwa-110 ? |
| 04:17.13 | yagoo | awaits haruka |
| 04:17.31 | haruka | in the meantime, if you coul dcheck this out: what i was referring to before about 'modules' was this: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73 ... apparently rt73usb is the latest driver for this, dwa-110 adapter. some people claim that rt2x00 drivers screw up the adapter. i cannot seem to find a way to remove them. regarding iwlist scan, wlan0 No scan results |
| 04:17.38 | yagoo | thinks haruka must be doing exercise upon irc commands |
| 04:18.09 | pumafyre | how do I restart gnome desktop manager from the command line? |
| 04:18.11 | NyShayyjsndb | http://bit.ly/uPBolO |
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| 04:20.08 | haruka | yagoo: laptop connects and works fine in garage, so there wont be any signal issues |
| 04:20.09 | pumafyre | gdm isn't working |
| 04:20.47 | yagoo | pumafyre, dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 04:21.11 | yagoo | haruka, you need to get that deviceid dwa-110 |
| 04:21.12 | pumafyre | thank you yagoo |
| 04:21.42 | yagoo | pumafyre, if it fails to start from bootup.. then it's X's configuration you should look into |
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| 04:22.06 | yagoo | haruka, deviceid? lspci -nn |
| 04:22.11 | pumafyre | no, my moniter goes all screwy, but I can still ssh into the box |
| 04:22.26 | yagoo | pumafyre, check the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file |
| 04:22.28 | pumafyre | yagoo I have other monitor questions |
| 04:22.31 | pumafyre | thank you i will |
| 04:22.35 | yagoo | pumafyre, look for any e-did errors |
| 04:22.37 | se7 | After apt-get remove, dpkg-query -W still shows the package. What would be required to update the cache that dpkg-query seems to have? |
| 04:22.42 | pumafyre | yagoo: ok, I will |
| 04:23.01 | haruka | it's not in lspci because it's a usb dongle |
| 04:23.11 | haruka | Bus 001 Device 004: ID 07d1:3c07 D-Link System Wireless G DWA-110 Adapter |
| 04:23.14 | haruka | that's from lsusb though. |
| 04:23.20 | yagoo | haruka, lsusb yah.. |
| 04:24.08 | NyShayyjsndb | http://bit.ly/uPBolO |
| 04:24.41 | simonlnu | !ops NyShayyjsndb posting dubious links |
| 04:24.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: simonlnu complains about: NyShayyjsndb posting dubious links |
| 04:24.43 | haruka | nice spamming |
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| 04:25.17 | xuser | se7: apt-get purge pkg |
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| 04:25.56 | simonlnu | se7: dpkg --purge foo |
| 04:26.05 | yagoo | haruka, http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/RT73USB.html |
| 04:26.31 | yagoo | haruka, lsmod |grep -i rt73usb |
| 04:27.01 | se7 | xuser: would apt-get purge (without any extra args) not function as a wildcard? |
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| 04:27.36 | yagoo | haruka, if its not there, tell me if there's any other rt loaded-> lsmod |grep -i rt |
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| 04:28.27 | haruka | yagoo: http://pastebin.com/9hpN4KVp |
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| 04:29.23 | yagoo | haruka, if you type modinfo rt73usb, does it say those dependency rt names ? (any rt names unaccounted for?) |
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| 04:30.46 | yagoo | haruka, also to try was -> lsmod |grep -i rt , but i don't think there would be more than you pasted.. but check anyways.. |
| 04:31.04 | haruka | yagoo: http://pastebin.com/Rj32KxKh |
| 04:31.13 | haruka | out of the depends, there are ones that are accounted for |
| 04:31.20 | haruka | rt73usb i believe |
| 04:31.34 | haruka | except that would be a self-dependance actually. so they are all there. |
| 04:32.32 | haruka | yagoo: and lsmod : http://pastebin.com/653Q2FVc |
| 04:32.40 | yagoo | haruka, i might have to come back to this point-- if its a driver issue then that would be tricky.. |
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| 04:33.09 | yagoo | haruka, there's lights on that ? |
| 04:34.08 | haruka | there's a led on the device, yes |
| 04:34.58 | yagoo | haruka, ok.. so um.. here goes.. ifconfig -a .. should show it's mac address.. if no mac-address then a driver issue it is |
| 04:35.18 | yagoo | (HWADDRESS: means mac address ) |
| 04:35.31 | haruka | it's got a mac address. |
| 04:35.33 | yagoo | (or inet addr) |
| 04:35.47 | haruka | it can actually scan and detect the router (picks up its name and signal strength) |
| 04:35.52 | yagoo | scratch that ^ inet addrr .. |
| 04:35.55 | haruka | just always, bad password. |
| 04:35.58 | yagoo | hwaddress ok.. |
| 04:36.06 | yagoo | hwaddress you got.. then thats good |
| 04:36.39 | yagoo | haruka, i actually asked if you can do iwlist and you said no :/ |
| 04:36.40 | yagoo | lol |
| 04:36.52 | yagoo | haruka, dude.. |
| 04:36.55 | haruka | when? |
| 04:37.03 | yagoo | haruka, awhile ago.. you said you cant.. |
| 04:37.09 | haruka | checking buffer. sec |
| 04:37.21 | yagoo | " regarding iwlist scan, wlan0 No scan results" |
| 04:37.28 | yagoo | way back.. |
| 04:37.37 | haruka | yep |
| 04:37.39 | haruka | (14:18:19) haruka: in the meantime, if you coul dcheck this out: what i was referring to before about 'modules' was this: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73 ... apparently rt73usb is the latest driver for this, dwa-110 adapter. some people claim that rt2x00 drivers screw up the adapter. i cannot seem to find a way to remove them. regarding iwlist scan, wlan0 No scan results |
| 04:37.54 | haruka | that is what i said. i gave you the response - regardling iwlist scan, wlan0, No scan results. that's what it says. |
| 04:38.13 | yagoo | haruka, so did you change anything? if its sporadic.. we'll have to um.. avoid this.. maybe network-manager is doing something.. |
| 04:38.38 | haruka | http://pastebin.com/wJT0e9CA for more evidence |
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| 04:38.59 | haruka | no, I haven't changed anything dramatically, or at all acording to my memory. |
| 04:39.40 | yagoo | haruka, ok.. so now the latest scan.. it scans sometimes yes, sometimes no.. correct? |
| 04:39.50 | yagoo | haruka, also be doing all of this in plain text console.. |
| 04:39.56 | haruka | ive just forcibly deleted any wireless profiles in gnome network config, and disabled wireless, now renabling to do a new scan. |
| 04:40.00 | yagoo | (/etc/init.d/gdm stop) |
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| 04:40.16 | yagoo | haruka, don't be using any gui.. it may be using network-manager.. |
| 04:40.17 | haruka | i'll have to switch irc to the laptop then |
| 04:40.25 | yagoo | haruka, do you want to use network-manager or ifupdown ? |
| 04:40.39 | haruka | either honestly. i just want the darn thing to work |
| 04:40.53 | yagoo | haruka, ok.. so stop X, /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
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| 04:41.07 | haruka | that'll kill irc. let me just get irc on the laptop |
| 04:41.11 | yagoo | haruka, ? |
| 04:41.20 | yagoo | haruka, ok |
| 04:41.46 | yagoo | laughs |
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| 04:43.28 | harukatop | ok |
| 04:43.30 | harukatop | gdm stopped. |
| 04:43.43 | harukatop | switching to tty1 |
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| 04:44.09 | yagoo | harukatop, iwconfig -a ? |
| 04:44.25 | harukatop | -a no such device |
| 04:45.33 | yagoo | harukatop, ok.. so you can graphically get a list on your scanned router.. it should also at least work in console.. |
| 04:45.49 | yagoo | harukatop, is your AP set for wpa2 or what? |
| 04:45.58 | harukatop | i agree. AP is set for WPA2 |
| 04:46.05 | yagoo | harukatop, dpkg -l|grep -i wpa |
| 04:46.11 | yagoo | !wpasupplicant |
| 04:46.12 | dpkg | wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian systems in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (especially "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Debian-Installer does not support WPA at this time; see also <nowpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
| 04:46.16 | harukatop | iwconfig with no -a argument shows the wlan0 item, but it hasnt got an ESSID set to it |
| 04:46.38 | harukatop | yeah, wpasupplicant showed up |
| 04:46.43 | harukatop | want me to install it? |
| 04:46.56 | yagoo | harukatop, dpkg -l , lists installed apps |
| 04:47.09 | harukatop | ah |
| 04:47.39 | yagoo | harukatop, iwlist scan .. any different? |
| 04:47.54 | harukatop | no scan results |
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| 04:48.52 | yagoo | !nmcli |
| 04:48.52 | dpkg | nmcli is a command line interface for controlling <NetworkManager>, included since version 0.8.1. See nmcli(1) or http://manpages.debian.net/man/1/nmcli for use cases. |
| 04:49.01 | yagoo | ^ i started using this a couple of weeks ago.. |
| 04:49.24 | yagoo | nmcli con |
| 04:49.32 | harukatop | interesting |
| 04:49.37 | harukatop | iwlist 'scanning' |
| 04:49.47 | harukatop | picks up the AP. |
| 04:49.57 | harukatop | iwlist 'scan' doesnt. |
| 04:50.34 | se7 | both scan and scanning are the same command |
| 04:50.51 | harukatop | they are giving me consistently different results |
| 04:50.57 | harukatop | typing them right after each other. |
| 04:51.03 | yagoo | (behind as not updated themselves from just using ifupdown commands) |
| 04:51.58 | yagoo | harukatop, yah.. i just verified.. scan and scanning are synonyms.. |
| 04:52.07 | harukatop | i understand that |
| 04:52.12 | yagoo | harukatop, if it wasnt working in console don't worry about that.. iwlist is not an nm command.. |
| 04:52.24 | harukatop | but all i can do is share my experience, unless i am hallucinating |
| 04:52.33 | harukatop | i am getting consistently different output from scan to scanning |
| 04:52.59 | harukatop | ok, now its nonconsistent/random. |
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| 04:55.39 | mhall119 | Miesco: if it's a humble indie bundle, it probably doesn't matter |
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| 05:02.54 | pumafyre | yagoo: |
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| 05:03.24 | pumafyre | yagoo: I installed squeeze on my powerbook g4 mac and the colors are messed up in the desktop |
| 05:03.43 | pumafyre | yagoo: several of the icons are light purple instead of the colors they should be |
| 05:03.54 | pumafyre | yagoo: I plugged in a monitor and the same thing is happening |
| 05:05.04 | yagoo | !mac |
| 05:05.05 | dpkg | [mac] Media Access Control, see <mac change>; Macintosh, see <apple>, <m68k>, <macbook>, <powerpc>; Mandatory Access Control, see <apparmor>, <selinux>, <tomoyo>. |
| 05:05.38 | yagoo | pumafyre, that's like 13 years old g4 macs are they not ? .. often there are this bits to get linux working properly on macs.. |
| 05:05.54 | yagoo | suggests googling "debian wiki mac" |
| 05:06.08 | yagoo | pumafyre, there's mac sections in wikis.. |
| 05:06.23 | yagoo | pumafyre, sorry i dont have any g4's or powermacs bak here :/ |
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| 05:07.48 | CannedCorn | what's the best way to get colorized prompt in squeeze? |
| 05:08.08 | se7 | set yourself a colorized prompt |
| 05:08.11 | pumafyre | yagoo: the thing is, I was running ubuntu until 3 days ago |
| 05:08.21 | pumafyre | yagoo: and it worked perfectly |
| 05:08.26 | pumafyre | yagoo: and thank you :) |
| 05:09.01 | CannedCorn | yeah, ok |
| 05:09.17 | CannedCorn | so quick question, why is debian one of the only holdouts that doesn't do this by defaul |
| 05:09.17 | cthuluh | CannedCorn: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/037 |
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| 05:09.26 | CannedCorn | it's so useful |
| 05:09.31 | nevyn | no it's not. |
| 05:09.35 | cthuluh | CannedCorn: because it would please 5% of users? |
| 05:09.37 | yagoo | CannedCorn, yah.. in bash you can.. |
| 05:09.52 | CannedCorn | yeah i know, it's just a pain to setup on every box i have |
| 05:09.57 | CannedCorn | i was wondering if there was a reason |
| 05:10.02 | cthuluh | upload your .bashrc |
| 05:10.03 | nevyn | CannedCorn: use automation? |
| 05:10.12 | pumafyre | CannedCorn: that doesn't do what? |
| 05:10.15 | CannedCorn | so useful to see like red user if you are root and green for regular and other stuff like that |
| 05:10.24 | yagoo | CannedCorn, it's actually pretty easy.. |
| 05:10.28 | CannedCorn | yeah i know |
| 05:10.30 | pumafyre | CannedCorn: I do like that too |
| 05:10.33 | somiaj | CannedCorn: I thought all you had to do was remove a comment in the .bashrc that got generated. |
| 05:10.36 | cthuluh | '$' and '#' are there for a reason, too |
| 05:10.42 | yagoo | CannedCorn, also works via putty for me |
| 05:10.42 | CannedCorn | i just was sick of doing it every time |
| 05:10.44 | nevyn | nobody should ever be root... |
| 05:10.45 | CannedCorn | oh really |
| 05:10.53 | nevyn | that's what sudo's for |
| 05:11.05 | CannedCorn | somiaj your right! |
| 05:11.06 | CannedCorn | wow |
| 05:11.07 | CannedCorn | awesome |
| 05:11.15 | yagoo | CannedCorn, you have to use \e and not \\033 when using a bash script such as the bash login script |
| 05:11.22 | CannedCorn | i always just looked in bash_profile |
| 05:11.52 | cthuluh | PS1 should not be defined in .profile or .bash_profile |
| 05:12.41 | se7 | CannedCorn: whether color is useful or not depends on the user, therefore, a prompt without any specific color makes a sensible default |
| 05:12.51 | somiaj | CannedCorn: if you modify the version in /etc/skel all users that get created won't have to do it. But by default it is less intrusives to assume the extra color info isn't needed. |
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| 05:13.58 | CannedCorn | cthuluh why is that? |
| 05:14.00 | se7 | CannedCorn: whether color is useful or not depends on the user, therefore, a prompt without any specific color makes a sensible default |
| 05:14.03 | yagoo | somiaj, you dont need to change stuff in skel.. you can change /etc/profile |
| 05:14.49 | CannedCorn | cool |
| 05:14.55 | cthuluh | CannedCorn: sed -n 5,6p /etc/skel/.bashrc |
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| 05:16.31 | CannedCorn | cthuluh? |
| 05:16.36 | Alpha-Omega | is there any way that I can extract text from a flash file and have the text be searchable? |
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| 05:17.25 | cthuluh | CannedCorn: the default debian .bashrc assumes a non-interactive login shell doesn't have its PS1 set ; that is important |
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| 05:17.55 | CannedCorn | i see |
| 05:18.01 | CannedCorn | very cool, thanks for explaining |
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| 05:29.06 | GordonFreeman | hello |
| 05:29.07 | GordonFreeman | hello can someone help in restoring a truncated file's content? |
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| 05:38.22 | shum_ | Hi people. dpkg thinks nothing is installed - what might be going on? |
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| 05:41.02 | shum_ | Where does it maintain its list of installed packages? |
| 05:41.10 | alfplayer | GordonFreeman: how's that? what file format? |
| 05:41.25 | GordonFreeman | ext3fs |
| 05:41.47 | GordonFreeman | cofig file, so if i could get the address and dd data out it would be cool |
| 05:41.47 | alfplayer | ext3? |
| 05:41.57 | GordonFreeman | only about 64k... |
| 05:42.15 | alfplayer | and it was? how large? |
| 05:42.18 | GordonFreeman | i have inode number only |
| 05:42.26 | GordonFreeman | about 65000 bytes... |
| 05:42.34 | GordonFreeman | not large |
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| 05:43.26 | alfplayer | i guess i'd try the usual tools |
| 05:43.29 | FearOfMusic | i installed debian testing using btrfs, when i boot there is an error when trying to run fsck (i dont think btrfs has an fsck program?), so the computer goes into single user mode... how can i disable the filesystem check? |
| 05:43.35 | GordonFreeman | so my pointers to the file's content have been wiped out then ? |
| 05:43.37 | GordonFreeman | :( |
| 05:43.44 | cthuluh | you shouldn't be looking at the file, right now ; you should even turn the power down |
| 05:43.57 | GordonFreeman | it was attempted rewrite while disk was full |
| 05:44.08 | alfplayer | how large is it now? |
| 05:44.11 | GordonFreeman | disk is not in use now |
| 05:44.16 | GordonFreeman | its 0 bytes |
| 05:44.17 | cthuluh | umounted? |
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| 05:44.29 | GordonFreeman | mounted but nothing touches it |
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| 05:44.40 | GordonFreeman | started debugfs on it |
| 05:44.56 | cthuluh | mounted ro, at least?!? |
| 05:45.01 | GordonFreeman | dumped inode to file, but got 0 bytes |
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| 05:48.39 | GordonFreeman | good thing its only 2GB partition |
| 05:48.53 | GordonFreeman | so i think i have to search for some pattern somehow :( |
| 05:48.56 | GordonFreeman | any tips? |
| 05:49.21 | se7 | I take $1 tips. |
| 05:49.47 | GordonFreeman | :) |
| 05:49.55 | GordonFreeman | se7 yeah |
| 05:50.31 | se7 | some people have Q tips, too. |
| 05:51.29 | cthuluh | I have heard about ext3grep |
| 05:52.09 | cthuluh | though your case seems particular, since your filesystem was full, chances are very likely that the space freed by the truncation has been reallocated and re-used |
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| 05:53.26 | GordonFreeman | but nothing was writing after it, it was before reboot |
| 05:53.56 | GordonFreeman | i don't think ext3 zeroes file's datablocks out by default |
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| 05:54.34 | se7 | but if you have, say, an SSD, other funny things like DISCARD can occur |
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| 05:55.43 | GordonFreeman | its a hdd now |
| 05:56.04 | GordonFreeman | i really should backup ;< |
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| 05:57.09 | pumafyre | is there a way to change the colors in my terminal to let me know when I'm root (like Mint)? |
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| 06:00.09 | GordonFreeman | thanks for tips, i fetched HT and ext3grep, now playing a bit |
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| 06:01.31 | yagoo | pumafyre, thought u knew .. |
| 06:01.36 | pumafyre | yagoo: I don't ! |
| 06:01.47 | yagoo | pumafyre, ya.. you have to use \e[x;x;x] .. something like this.. |
| 06:01.53 | yagoo | pumafyre, can give you a link.. |
| 06:02.30 | pumafyre | yagoo: thank you!!! |
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| 06:03.15 | yagoo | pumafyre, check out the bottom of the page, and run that amazing script.. |
| 06:03.51 | pumafyre | yagoo: bottom of what page? |
| 06:03.57 | GordonFreeman | The oldest inode block that is still in the journal, appears to be from 1322982429 = Sun Dec 4 08:07:09 2011 |
| 06:03.58 | yagoo | pumafyre, i would avoid what else is out there.. (some use tput or other external commands in $PS1.. i think this slows things down and isn't a good choice) |
| 06:04.06 | GordonFreeman | possible its my file ? |
| 06:04.11 | yagoo | pumafyre, http://wiki.bash-hackers.org/scripting/terminalcodes |
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| 06:04.12 | pumafyre | yagoo: ok. I didn't see a link though |
| 06:04.20 | pumafyre | yagoo: sweet!! |
| 06:04.44 | yagoo | pumafyre, have terminal=linux (which is default), or xterm .. i don't think vt100 and vt102 play well |
| 06:05.08 | pumafyre | ok |
| 06:05.11 | yagoo | pumafyre, try this as plain console or in a xterm box.. (dont try it in putty/ssh yet) |
| 06:05.16 | pumafyre | I'm in a tty |
| 06:05.23 | pumafyre | my DE is screwed up |
| 06:05.24 | yagoo | pumafyre, plaintext tty is ok.. |
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| 06:05.32 | pumafyre | yagoo: it's all i've got :p |
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| 06:09.13 | gentz | I want to cfdisk and mke2fs on an hd while it is currently mounted (boot & / partitions are on the disk). do i need to reboot & unmount, or is it safe to add partitions while the system is running? |
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| 06:09.51 | yagoo | pumafyre, only thing i hate is when i run an app like mc, and then exit it.. my background color doesn't refresh from the top (so i guess black background is what i think i'll stick with) |
| 06:10.26 | yagoo | gentz, safest to always unmount everything on the hd when doing partition management |
| 06:10.47 | yagoo | gentz, it's possible to get away with it.. but i would suggest not to.. |
| 06:10.47 | gentz | yagoo: will it probably work though? |
| 06:10.55 | yagoo | gentz, do it on the safe side.. |
| 06:11.21 | gentz | yagoo: i'd rather not bring the system down. what if i just partition at the end of the drive (the others are at the beginning) and leave some space in the middle? |
| 06:11.48 | yagoo | gentz, i know windows and mac can do this.. on linux i dont think i ever heard of clear cases that this is safe.. |
| 06:12.37 | pumafyre | yagoo: what is mc? |
| 06:12.45 | boudiccas | midnight commander |
| 06:12.50 | yagoo | pumafyre, it's a cli tool for file management |
| 06:12.53 | pumafyre | yagoo: I don't understand the scripts I'm seeing on that webpage :) |
| 06:13.05 | pumafyre | yagoo: I need to look at it when I'm a bit more rested :p |
| 06:13.06 | yagoo | pumafyre, you copy and paste the last example and run it |
| 06:13.11 | pumafyre | yagoo: ok |
| 06:13.23 | yagoo | pumafyre, it prints out the [x;x;x] code to use for that particular color scheme |
| 06:13.25 | pumafyre | yagoo: I don't know how to c&p from my tty |
| 06:13.35 | yagoo | pumafyre, huh |
| 06:13.57 | pumafyre | yagoo: I don't know how to copy and paste from the tty |
| 06:14.02 | pumafyre | yagoo: just a sec |
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| 06:14.46 | yagoo | pumafyre, wget http://dpaste.com/666253/plain/ >bashcolors.sh ; chmod +x bashcolors.sh |
| 06:15.05 | yagoo | pumafyre, i've simply added #!/bin/bash and commented out the lines not needed.. |
| 06:15.11 | pumafyre | yagoo: thank you |
| 06:17.16 | yagoo | pumafyre, this is what i use for root.. it's sloppy the beginning and ending.. because the colors codes would overwrite after hitting <enter>-- i believe there's a more efficient way.. but this is what i use and works pretty well ->export PS1='\e[1m\]\e[4;33;40m\]\h\e[0m\]\e[1;31;40m\] #root#\e[1;37;40m\] @[\e[ |
| 06:17.16 | yagoo | 1;36;40m\]\w\e[1;37;40m\]]\n# \e[1;39;40m\]\e[0m\]\e[0;37;40m\]' |
| 06:17.27 | yagoo | 1;36;40m\]\w\e[1;37;40m\]]\n# \e[1;39;40m\]\e[0m\]\e[0;37;40m\]' |
| 06:17.54 | gentz | yagoo: it said partition table wrote, but re-read failed. |
| 06:18.23 | boudiccas | gentz; sounds like its screwed then :( |
| 06:18.32 | gentz | i really don't want to reboot |
| 06:18.46 | gentz | there's no way to make more partitions on the same disk as the root & boot partitions w/o rebooting? |
| 06:20.17 | shum_ | can someone tell me what /var/lib/dpkg/available is and what its supposed to contain? |
| 06:20.18 | gentz | could i mount another root partition from another comp on the network & unmount the current one & then repartition? |
| 06:21.11 | simonlnu | shum_: it's generated |
| 06:22.10 | shum_ | simonlnu: mine is empty - what's supposed to generate it? |
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| 06:23.26 | gentz | Got it working using partprobe~! yes! |
| 06:23.55 | boudiccas | gentz; what happens when you reboot though? |
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| 06:24.47 | shum_ | simonlnu: I've tried apt-get update but its still empty |
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| 06:46.57 | gentz | boudiccas: haven't tried rebooting. but it seems to be working fine |
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| 06:47.18 | gentz | boudiccas: i made a filesystem on the partition & mounted it successfully |
| 06:48.47 | GordonFreeman | searched patterns on my partition using HT recommended by se7 :) and then fetched data using did if=/dev/zion/redhathome bs=1 skip=$(bc <<<"obase=10;ibase=16;5907F000;") count=65k 2>/dev/null of=./opt.conf |
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| 07:08.35 | yagoo | gentz, did you resize any partitions? |
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| 07:09.12 | yagoo | gentz, if you resize a partition, you have to make sure the tool also resizes the filesystem or you may overwrite and screw up something |
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| 07:10.06 | yagoo | GordonFreeman, that's a nutjob command, i wonder how long it took you figure that out |
| 07:10.38 | GordonFreeman | about 15 minutes |
| 07:10.46 | yagoo | GordonFreeman, you crazy sob.. |
| 07:11.03 | GordonFreeman | start="EA14B000";end="EA14BDFB";dd if=/dev/zion/redhathome bs=1 skip=$(bc <<<"obase=10;ibase=16;$start;") count=$(bc <<<"obase=10;ibase=16;$end-$start;") 2>/dev/null of=./xchat.conf |
| 07:11.03 | yagoo | :) |
| 07:11.17 | GordonFreeman | nicer :) |
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| 07:12.49 | GordonFreeman | i just seek to the end, and specify end address too |
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| 07:16.49 | SvperPhly | can someone post an /etc/network/interfaces with an example of having multiple ip's on one device? |
| 07:17.47 | shum_ | anyone here know anything about dpkg? |
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| 07:23.40 | daniel-s | hi, what is "cat filename | grep string-to-match" using grep only? |
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| 07:25.45 | technologov_ | daniel-s, "$ grep myfile" |
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| 07:27.14 | SvperPhly | for some reason i can't ifdown my eth1 |
| 07:27.26 | SvperPhly | and oddly enough an eth1:1 has appeared with the same ip address |
| 07:27.45 | SvperPhly | when i use the command ifdown eth1 it says it's not configured |
| 07:28.41 | pumafyre | SvperPhly: ifconfig eth1 down |
| 07:28.54 | pumafyre | SvperPhly: what does that do? |
| 07:29.37 | SvperPhly | ok, that got rid of it. |
| 07:29.46 | SvperPhly | i'm trying to setup eth1 to have 4 ips |
| 07:30.26 | pumafyre | SvperPhly: if you get that working, would you let me know? :) |
| 07:30.44 | SvperPhly | well, i've seen a lot of different ways to do it |
| 07:30.56 | SvperPhly | and the debian documentation doesn't answer my question very straight forward |
| 07:31.02 | pumafyre | SvperPhly: ok. I'm playing with the same thing with my wlan0 |
| 07:31.06 | pumafyre | ok |
| 07:31.08 | pumafyre | still |
| 07:31.14 | pumafyre | gotta love debian :) |
| 07:31.35 | SvperPhly | now when i try to ifup eth1 i get "file exists" |
| 07:31.37 | SvperPhly | wtf/ |
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| 07:31.55 | yagoo | what's the command to tell if a firmware file is getting loaded (network card-- wifi) |
| 07:31.56 | yagoo | ? |
| 07:32.04 | yagoo | cat /proc/<><><//<> ? |
| 07:32.09 | yagoo | can't seem to find .. |
| 07:32.25 | pumafyre | yagoo: I think I got my weird monitor/color issue sorted out |
| 07:32.41 | pumafyre | SvperPhly: ifconfig eth1 up ? |
| 07:33.34 | SvperPhly | that works... but it also brings up some eth1:1 whcih i don't have specified in /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 07:34.05 | pumafyre | SvperPhly: oh that's strange |
| 07:34.24 | pumafyre | SvperPhly: I don't really know the answer to what you're trying to do |
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| 07:34.39 | pumafyre | SvperPhly: I'm brand new at this |
| 07:34.56 | SvperPhly | hehe, oddly enough i've been using debian since 1995, but some things never get easier |
| 07:35.11 | pumafyre | SvperPhly: wow! I've been using it for less than a month |
| 07:35.19 | SvperPhly | you'll love it, just give it time |
| 07:35.38 | pumafyre | SvperPhly: I googled how to configure wpa_supplicant last night |
| 07:35.52 | pumafyre | SvperPhly: that's the only reason I know anything about what you're asking |
| 07:35.56 | ekontsevoy | This is not Debian specific, but still: I have a server with 32 virtual network interfaces (32 IPs on the same network card). And the machine is PAINfully slow to reboot. The cause, as the logs show me, is sshd daemon, which restarts every time a new interface comes up, and it takes about 2 seconds per IP. How can I tell sshd to stop restarting itself? I configured it to listen on 1 interface. |
| 07:36.40 | SvperPhly | ekontsevoy: can you paste your /etc/network/interfaces to the pastebin |
| 07:36.51 | SvperPhly | and are you using squeeze? |
| 07:37.01 | ekontsevoy | SvperPhly: 1 sec. No, I am not using squeeze. |
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| 07:40.18 | ekontsevoy | SvperPhly: http://pastebin.com/pUW36QTe |
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| 07:40.30 | ekontsevoy | I didn't paste all 32 iface definitions, only 1st and Nth |
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| 07:43.10 | SvperPhly | ekontsevoy: what version of debian? |
| 07:43.27 | SvperPhly | it sounds like you need to have sshd start well after networking |
| 07:45.16 | ekontsevoy | SvperPhly: yeah, looks like! |
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| 07:45.34 | ekontsevoy | Actually this box is Ubuntu 10.04. I think it's based on Debian squeeze |
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| 07:49.27 | ekontsevoy | SvperPhly: but /etc/init.d/networking has no symlin in rc.2 |
| 07:49.33 | ekontsevoy | how do I contorl when networking starts? |
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| 07:52.36 | yagoo | ekontsevoy, man NetworkManager.conf |
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| 07:54.40 | ekontsevoy | yagoo: thanks, reading... |
| 07:54.57 | yagoo | ekontsevoy, get used to the nmcli nm-tool commands.. |
| 07:55.02 | yagoo | ekontsevoy, they're here to stay... |
| 07:55.21 | yagoo | ekontsevoy, if anyone says to use ifupdown commands it'be because you're not using NetworkManager.. |
| 07:55.30 | thinice | Debian 32-bit Squeeze (latest kernel) - server, init 3 no X; what are some nasty things that would make the system hang with a black console, no panic? |
| 07:55.39 | yagoo | ekontsevoy, ifupdown means using ifup/ifdown/ifconfig.. |
| 07:56.04 | ekontsevoy | yagoo: yeah right not it's set to "not managed" |
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| 07:57.03 | ekontsevoy | it's still not clear to me how do I force sshd to start later than networking... |
| 07:57.04 | khem_ | is permission 660 a valid set for a directory if i want both users and the group to be able to read and write to it? seems like 770 is the way. |
| 07:57.06 | yagoo | ekontsevoy, managed=false in [ifupdown] (it actually has the opposite meaning.. be sure to read the manpage carefully |
| 07:57.11 | yagoo | ? |
| 07:57.32 | ekontsevoy | well, the point of all this is to make sshd daemon start AFTER all network interfaces have initialized |
| 07:57.35 | yagoo | ekontsevoy, i haven't figured out a system-wide network-up with networkmanager.. |
| 07:58.17 | yagoo | ekontsevoy, but it is possible i believe.. you have to dig .. probably something about /etc/Networkmanager/systemconnections.. |
| 07:58.25 | ekontsevoy | yagoo: I am not sure if NM is what I need. I am trying to figure out at which point during the boot process network interfaces are up |
| 07:58.40 | thinice | khem_: 770 is rwx owner and group |
| 07:58.51 | yagoo | ekontsevoy, then you need to either uninstall networkmanager or have it set to let ifdownup do it's job.. |
| 07:59.24 | yagoo | ekontsevoy, plus u'll need to deal with /etc/resolv.conf .. it's a real pita.. (i'll be posting a doc on this sometime).. if you can.. just remove network-manager.. |
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| 08:02.09 | ekontsevoy | and what will happen? |
| 08:02.21 | ekontsevoy | my /etc/rc2.d doesn't have anything for starting the network: http://pastebin.com/7Wr3WYhi |
| 08:03.26 | yagoo | ekontsevoy, ubuntu is diverting it's own "upstart" scripts.. |
| 08:03.37 | ekontsevoy | ahh... |
| 08:03.39 | yagoo | ekontsevoy, best you get used to using networkmanager (since you're on ubuntu) |
| 08:03.49 | ekontsevoy | :) k, I'm reading up on it! |
| 08:03.53 | ekontsevoy | thanks yagoo |
| 08:03.57 | yagoo | ekontsevoy, it's tricky.. |
| 08:04.10 | yagoo | ekontsevoy, here to save time--> i'll post a quick doc.. |
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| 08:21.14 | ekontsevoy | no prob, thanks yagoo |
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| 08:42.00 | pif | hi, under debian/sid I now see this warning when running mutt: "WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /tmp/keyring-XtSo9n/pkcs11: No such file or directory", any idea why? |
| 08:42.10 | pif | it's harmless, but still |
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| 08:42.39 | pif | I use gdm3 but only openbox (not gnome) |
| 08:42.45 | simonlnu | it does that if you have gnome stuff installed |
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| 08:43.41 | simonlnu | for testing/unstable, the suppport chan in #debian-next on oftc, fyi |
| 08:43.51 | pif | ok |
| 08:43.53 | simonlnu | s,in,is, |
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| 08:44.48 | simonlnu | been quiet for a half hour i don't think people will mind me answering a question right now ;). |
| 08:45.40 | cthuluh | shoot |
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| 08:46.02 | cthuluh | ah, misread, sorry |
| 08:46.11 | simonlnu | :) |
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| 08:50.32 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
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| 08:51.20 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone have a quick howto for NAT routing on a debian squeeze system? |
| 08:51.40 | HardDisk_WP | i tried http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23, arno-iptables and various other iptables commands |
| 08:51.50 | HardDisk_WP | but the other machines can't reach the internet |
| 08:51.54 | HardDisk_WP | ping to router works |
| 08:52.03 | HardDisk_WP | but nothing to outer networks |
| 08:52.46 | BartVB | there' |
| 08:52.55 | BartVB | s not a lot that can go wrong with that script from /23 |
| 08:53.03 | BartVB | did you doublecheck the names of the interfaces? |
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| 08:54.56 | HardDisk_WP | yes |
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| 08:58.08 | BartVB | can you copy/paste the output of iptables -L -n to a pastebin site? |
| 08:58.18 | BartVB | and the contents of your script |
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| 08:59.28 | HardDisk_WP | hold short |
| 08:59.33 | HardDisk_WP | thats gonna take a while |
| 08:59.36 | HardDisk_WP | commandline-only VM |
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| 09:00.19 | cthuluh | also iptables -t nat -n -L |
| 09:00.30 | BartVB | then what are you working on now? :) |
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| 09:02.01 | BartVB | you could try this if you can't copy/paste :+ http://linuxers.org/article/pastebinit-command-line-pastebin-client (never used it myself, first hit on google) |
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| 09:02.04 | HardDisk_WP | putting the two textfiles with the iptables outputs on a usb stick |
| 09:02.54 | fesafder | hello how can i get mdadm to check all parity and disk now |
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| 09:04.41 | cthuluh | echo check > /sys/block/$volume/md/sync_action |
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| 09:06.34 | HardDisk_WP | BartVB, this is my network/interfaces: http://pastebin.com/hAC7LKKi |
| 09:07.29 | HardDisk_WP | http://pastebin.com/0dJ4p0bA is my ifconfig output |
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| 09:09.48 | yagoo | ekontsevoy, did you get my post ? |
| 09:10.06 | HardDisk_WP | BartVB, http://pastebin.com/gYxuUtaS is my iptables initscript |
| 09:10.24 | fesafder | cthuluh: says that files does not exist should i create it ? |
| 09:10.42 | HardDisk_WP | huh, wtf |
| 09:10.45 | HardDisk_WP | it works on a sudden |
| 09:10.48 | HardDisk_WP | w t f |
| 09:10.57 | HardDisk_WP | lets reboot all machines and see if my luck persist :D |
| 09:11.11 | BartVB | lol |
| 09:12.04 | cthuluh | fesafder: no ; did you replace $volume by your actual md device? (I might have the path wrong, since I typed this from memory) |
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| 09:13.12 | fesafder | i put my correct array that's my prob i had that comand but after upgrading to wheezy won't work |
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| 09:15.16 | fesafder | ok they moved it to /sys/devices/virtual/block/md0/md/sync_action |
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| 09:29.00 | koreden | how do i add my user to the audio group, or verify that my user is in the audio group?? |
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| 09:29.13 | cthuluh | type ''id'' |
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| 09:30.02 | koreden | welp, looks like I am in the audio group :( |
| 09:30.14 | koreden | im having problems getting a device recognized in audacity :/ |
| 09:30.32 | koreden | it shows up in alsa mixer, but not audacity |
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| 09:43.15 | Iridos | the mixer doesn't need to open the device, though |
| 09:43.38 | Iridos | that'd be a microphone then? |
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| 09:45.50 | GordonFreeman | gi |
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| 09:48.00 | kurkale6ka | Hi, is it safe to use both apt-get and aptitude? |
| 09:48.12 | Sm0ke0ut | yes |
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| 09:48.33 | kurkale6ka | Are they using the same local cache? |
| 09:48.40 | Iridos | yes |
| 09:48.41 | Sm0ke0ut | nods |
| 09:48.45 | Iridos | and mostly safe |
| 09:48.53 | kurkale6ka | why mostly? |
| 09:49.14 | Iridos | for example |
| 09:49.15 | Iridos | dpkg, hold |
| 09:49.16 | dpkg | hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771. |
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| 09:50.52 | Iridos | actually that's the only thing I know of right now |
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| 09:51.11 | kurkale6ka | Iridos: I see... but apt-get install used together with aptitude install is exactly the same? |
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| 09:51.48 | Iridos | apt-get used to not set the flag for automatically installed packages when that was introduced |
| 09:52.17 | Iridos | dunno about "exactly" |
| 09:52.56 | Iridos | obviously they're separate programs and the features were added independently (as the autoremove flag shows) |
| 09:52.58 | kurkale6ka | ok, but update must be the same for both, right? Same status of the cache? |
| 09:53.38 | Iridos | but for pretty much all consequence you get the same end-status and can use them side-by side |
| 09:54.05 | kurkale6ka | ok, thx Iridos |
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| 10:19.06 | anAngel | Hello. Anyone to know the easiest way to block access to certain domains/urls over https with transparent squid? I have already done that over the http but https isn't going through proxy. My FW settings are correct for both http and https redirection to the proxy. |
| 10:20.13 | ksk | #squid :P |
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| 10:22.01 | frigo | i would just edit /etc/hosts on the box where squid resides, but thats not very elegant |
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| 10:23.34 | soa2ii | Hi. I installed postgresql but now the installation is a little messed up. What's the best way to get rid of everything and start fresh? Just pruge it? |
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| 10:36.07 | Iridos | purge removes configuration, but afaik you have to remove the database files yourself as those are considered user data which the package doesn't touch |
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| 10:47.18 | HardDisk_WP | i have got a script with iptables rules in /etc/network/if-up.d/setupnat |
| 10:47.31 | HardDisk_WP | but i have to run it by hand after boot |
| 10:47.33 | HardDisk_WP | why? |
| 10:47.40 | HardDisk_WP | the file is chmod +x 'd |
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| 10:49.09 | omid | hi . anyone has a link so that i can download crossover for Debian and Mint ? |
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| 10:50.14 | TechDesk | gnome or xfce ? |
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| 10:50.55 | TechDesk | http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php |
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| 10:51.15 | babilen | omid: What is crossover? |
| 10:51.22 | omid | TechDesk: i use Gnome . right now i'm on Mint 12 (lisa) |
| 10:51.58 | omid | babilen: crossover is a software built using wine and allows installition of windows apps on linux. i have it on pclinuxos(rpm) and i want to have it on debian and mint too |
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| 10:52.21 | babilen | omid: You are running mint not Debian aren't you? |
| 10:52.28 | omid | babilen: cross over allowed me to install MS office |
| 10:52.28 | HardDisk_WP | Oh, fail. Forgot the #!/bin/sh |
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| 10:52.55 | omid | babilen: i have Mint 12 , Debian 6(squeeze and pclinuxos 2011 |
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| 10:53.34 | babilen | HardDisk_WP: I would also recommend to just use iptables-restore in there (much faster) -- You can find an example on Debian's wiki (iptables) |
| 10:54.11 | HardDisk_WP | it's just five rules which I need to explain for an university assignment |
| 10:54.23 | HardDisk_WP | (set up a server+3x client vm infrastructure) |
| 10:54.35 | petemc | iptables-restore is noticably faster than just running a 'normal' iptables script? |
| 10:54.42 | HardDisk_WP | and i'm done now, yaaay :) |
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| 10:55.22 | jww | petemc: if I remenber right iptable-restore do some atomic operation. faster and more secure than 'normal iptables' script. |
| 10:55.34 | petemc | faster AND more secure |
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| 10:55.37 | babilen | petemc: That is at least my experience, I haven't benchmarked it though. AFAIK it is also an atomic operation whereas running the script is not. |
| 10:55.38 | petemc | this is news to me |
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| 10:56.38 | babilen | omid: You seem to be looking for http://www.codeweavers.com/products/crossover/ and they provide support on http://www.codeweavers.com/support/ |
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| 10:58.28 | babilen | omid: You also want to seek support in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org if you are working on Mint. |
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| 10:59.28 | omid | babilen: i was looking for a .deb installer .btw thank you |
| 10:59.52 | Twigg | Hi |
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| 11:00.21 | Twigg | is it possible, with KVM, to connect to console without changing kernel parameters? |
| 11:00.35 | Twigg | on guest |
| 11:00.41 | babilen | omid: Ask them -- This has nothing to do with Debian AFAICT (the software is not packaged in Debian and you are running Mint), so please take it to appropriate channels/forums. |
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| 11:01.41 | omid | babilen: ok thankyou. you are right . i thought maybe someone has the installer and can help me . sorry |
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| 11:01.55 | babilen | omid: No problem. Good luck! |
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| 11:02.43 | babilen | omid: Note that there appears to be #crossover channel here on freenode, but I don't know if it is related to the software you are interested in. |
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| 11:05.26 | jelly | Crossover .deb downloads are available on their site after logging in, fwiw |
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| 11:12.01 | yake | #flood |
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| 11:20.09 | scanf | hi, so i am booting debian's installer, it is saying it needs a nonfree driver, e100, where can i get this? |
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| 11:20.25 | scanf | and how can i set this use |
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| 11:31.47 | lapsusbrutus | raw.convs in cups.. do I need to edit this to be able to print raw? It prints, but get creepy cups errors: "No %%Pages: comment in header!" for each windows computer that prints.. |
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| 12:12.27 | kubrat | does any of the tasks include the ssh server? |
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| 12:13.38 | nkuttler | kubrat: last time i checked there was an openssh server task |
| 12:13.53 | nkuttler | maybe you need to scroll down.. |
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| 12:15.32 | kubrat | nkuttler: really? last time I checked there were divided into something like "standard system", "web server" ... |
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| 12:25.33 | nkuttler | kubrat: i installed two debian boxes last week.. |
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| 12:27.21 | kubrat | nkuttler: cheers, i am running the installer in a vm just now to confirm that the option exists |
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| 12:41.39 | kubrat | nkuttler: yep, option is there. that's nice. i think it is a new addition with squeeze |
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| 12:43.06 | sfsf32 | hello |
| 12:43.35 | sfsf32 | is there an irc channel for claws-mail or someone here who use it? |
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| 12:46.21 | jelly | !tell sfsf32 about claws |
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| 12:47.12 | sfsf32 | jelly, thank you but i already know what claws mail is |
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| 12:58.19 | chromaticwt | debian gnu/minix? |
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| 13:01.26 | fender0107401 | Hi all, can I merge one wiki from another wiki? I use mediawiki. |
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| 13:07.51 | mintux | I would like to extract bookable debian iso on my hard driver .then append some extra downloaded package and guide and themes and ... in a directory and put beside the debian files and directory. after that I would like to write those files on DVD .but it can not boot. how can I make boot able DVD from extracted Debian iso + my extra files ? |
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| 13:10.38 | bobweaver | hello there anyone know how to find out what mbr is on my machine ? I want to install (or try ) BURG |
| 13:10.48 | jelly | mintux: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
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| 13:11.42 | nkuttler | bobweaver: mmmh... maybe you should mess with the mbr if you don't know where it is |
| 13:11.49 | nkuttler | shouldn't |
| 13:12.28 | jelly | bobweaver: which Debian release are you using? dpkg -l libc6 lilo grub\* extlinux | grep ^.i |
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| 13:13.50 | jelly | bobweaver: put the output of that command in a pastebin (eg. http://paste.debian.net/) |
| 13:14.01 | bobweaver | jelly: to be honest I am not on debian right now but ubuntu but have debian installed on other partition |
| 13:14.15 | bobweaver | ducks |
| 13:14.19 | jelly | quack |
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| 13:14.39 | bobweaver | I will get output to you |
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| 13:15.26 | jelly | bobweaver: strings present in the MBR may provide clues. dd if=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 | strings - |
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| 13:15.55 | bobweaver | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/148169/ |
| 13:16.07 | jelly | bobweaver: sorry, dd if=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 | strings (no minus at the end) |
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| 13:16.54 | jelly | bobweaver: you seem to have grub 2 ("grub-pc") installed. For further help with current OS, ask in #ubuntu or ##linux. |
| 13:17.34 | bobweaver | ok thanks |
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| 13:22.13 | Iridos | I heard there's some ducks to shoot in here? |
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| 13:38.09 | mateusz | Hi |
| 13:38.30 | mateusz | is there any tool for Linux allowing to integrate gpx (gps) data with video ? To show movie with possition on map ? |
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| 13:47.20 | asmodai_ | Hi guys, having some issues building grub 0.97 on 6.0.3 (i386), I had to modify the configure file to work around the retarded bintutils setting (adding -R .note/gnu.build-id) and it now compiles... with a stage1 file of 129MB. Whats going on? |
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| 13:47.27 | dym | Is there any useful software to put infront of a shop-system to analyze potential vulnerable traffic coming towards it? Maybe some sort of IDS? |
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| 13:48.54 | jelly | asmodai_: building from 0.97-64 source package, sid source package or upstream tarball? |
| 13:49.22 | asmodai_ | grub-0.97.tar.gz as from gnu. |
| 13:49.32 | claw | does squeeze get still kernel updates ? uname shows 2.6.32-5-686 while kernel.org shows 2.6.32.49 |
| 13:49.35 | abrotman | dym: in front of a POS ? |
| 13:49.50 | abrotman | claw: different versioning scheme .. yes it gets updates |
| 13:50.03 | claw | thank you |
| 13:50.09 | jelly | asmodai_: why not use the debian source with all the fixes to make the thing work on Debian? Also, why not use the debian binary packages "grub-legacy"? |
| 13:50.36 | Aprendiz | I have configured samba in debian squeeze with windbind. wbinfo commands works and getent group but not getent passwd |
| 13:50.45 | Aprendiz | anyone know about this? |
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| 13:50.51 | asmodai_ | i have to compile from scratch for special hardware support, not sure if the patches work with debian sources. |
| 13:51.52 | abrotman | claw: FWIW, cat /proc/version .. another numbering scheme |
| 13:52.02 | jelly | !tell asmodai_ about package rebuild |
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| 13:52.37 | jelly | asmodai_: I'd start with debian source and make the patches work with that. |
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| 13:53.29 | k1ng | http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.188294647902847.48389.100001669391495&type=1&l=5173043979 |
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| 13:53.57 | claw | abaddon, Linux version 2.6.32-5-686 (Debian 2.6.32-39) |
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| 13:54.19 | claw | thank you thats what i am searching for |
| 13:55.14 | afuentes | what does the ~# scape sequence means? im reading http://www.symantec.com/connect/articles/ssh-port-forwarding |
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| 13:57.03 | cthuluh | see the ssh manpage, section ESCAPE CHARACTERS |
| 13:57.07 | dym | abrotman: well - the payment is not occuring there. basically its [IDS/Proxy] -> Shop -> [checkout payment provider] |
| 13:57.16 | dym | i thought of some sort of proxy/ids device |
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| 14:04.34 | asmodai_ | jelly: now I get the same error about there not being a working absolute objcopy |
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| 14:06.41 | afuentes | cthuluh, i read that thanks for the reference, but im still not sure how am i suppose to enter the sequence character |
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| 14:07.20 | cthuluh | afuentes: press <enter>, then '~', then '#' |
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| 14:08.17 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I'm running Squeeze but found that I needed a kernel >= 3.2.0 in order for my USB headset to work correctly on my hardware. So I |
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| 14:08.31 | afuentes | cthuluh, -bash: ~#: command not found |
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| 14:08.59 | cthuluh | afuentes: press <enter> before ; *right* before |
| 14:09.33 | cthuluh | Pegasus_RPG: are you sure 1) you need a 3.2 kernel. 2) it is worth the hassle? |
| 14:09.50 | afuentes | cthuluh, oh, it worked :D |
| 14:09.52 | afuentes | thanks |
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| 14:10.43 | Pegasus_RPG | cthuluh: I'm sure I need it, because the fix didn't go in until after 3.1.4 upstream. I'm starting to wonder about it being worth the hassle, since I have an nVidia card and the proprietary driver doesn't like the -rt patch I applied :P |
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| 14:11.12 | cthuluh | wheee, buttons everywhere, let's press them :P |
| 14:11.24 | lamah_ | E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'libgstreamer0.10-0'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
| 14:11.28 | lamah_ | what is that? |
| 14:11.29 | Pegasus_RPG | I'm trying to make nouveau work, but the apparent lack of GL is a deal-breaker |
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| 14:11.52 | Pegasus_RPG | that's what I came in here for actually: is there a way to get some sort of GL support using nouveau? |
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| 14:12.35 | Pegasus_RPG | If not, I'll probably jsut rebuild the 3.2.0 kernel without rt and go back to the proprietary nVidia drivers |
| 14:12.47 | cthuluh | it all depends on the actual model and how well your driver handles it |
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| 14:13.10 | cthuluh | lamah_: seems pretty clear ; did you read the manpage? |
| 14:13.21 | lamah_ | cthuluh: yes, and nothing? |
| 14:13.29 | lamah_ | cthuluh: pretty cclear what? |
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| 14:14.42 | lamah_ | who knows? |
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| 14:17.04 | Pegasus_RPG | cthuluh: ok, well I have an nVidia NVS 3100M (GT218) PCI ID 10de:0a6c. What packages do I need to install to have a chance at 3D/OpenGL working with nouveau? I already have libgl1-mesa-dev -dri and -glx, xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, libdrm-nouveau1 |
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| 14:18.05 | Pegasus_RPG | (I need -dev packages because I am a Mixxx developer and it uses OpenGL) |
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| 14:18.16 | Pegasus_RPG | (via Qt's GL library) |
| 14:19.01 | Pegasus_RPG | And that's the reason for the -rt business: Mixxx otherwise pops even though the CPU is not pinned |
| 14:20.18 | petern__ | don't need an -rt kernel to get around that |
| 14:20.25 | petern__ | just large enough buffers |
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| 14:23.04 | cthuluh | lamah: you probably encountered a bug ; stfw would have given you tons of results ; please remember to ask on #debian-next if using testing |
| 14:23.19 | cthuluh | Pegasus_RPG: nfi ; I don't have that kind of hardware |
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| 14:25.42 | Iridos | dpkg, nouveau |
| 14:25.42 | dpkg | The nouveau project aims to build high-quality, open source drivers for NVIDIA video cards. Nouveau <DRM> is in mainline as of Linux 2.6.33 and included in linux-2.6 since 2.6.32-10. The display driver is packaged as xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, DRI/3D support is not enabled; read its README.Debian file for important notes. For 3D support on Debian systems, use the proprietary "nvidia" driver, ask me about <nvidia>. |
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| 14:26.53 | Iridos | Pe... oh, he's already gorn |
| 14:27.23 | JodaZ | people optimizing nouveau yet ? |
| 14:27.29 | Iridos | that's it with kids these days, always rushing off somewhere |
| 14:27.29 | e_ | hm.. is there a way i can retrieve from a programm a list of packages a certain CVE vulnerability has been fixed in? |
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| 14:28.06 | e_ | so far i only see security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-nnn but that's not nicely parseable |
| 14:28.19 | e_ | would like something like that, only properly parseable |
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| 14:31.30 | Iridos | dunno... that seems to be it |
| 14:31.34 | Iridos | dpkg, tracker of doom |
| 14:31.34 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
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| 14:35.03 | asmodai_ | Debian sources grub-0.97-64 does NOT build on 6.0.3 i386, even as vanilla. Dies with messages about objcopy, anyone else seeing this? |
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| 14:38.50 | lamah_ | where is apt.conf? |
| 14:38.55 | e_ | Iridos: thanks |
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| 14:39.20 | enkidu | hello guys. I am running debian sid with 3.1.0-1-amd64 kernel. KDE shows, that only one core is under load. any similar voices? |
| 14:39.23 | e_ | dpkg: cve lookup CVE-2010-0740 |
| 14:39.23 | dpkg | Information about the security advisory CVE-2010-0740 may be found at http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2010-0740 |
| 14:39.33 | e_ | aww i thought it may actually look it up.. |
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| 14:42.32 | Iridos | nah... they're just factoids that build the correct url from the number |
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| 14:43.35 | acu | so when wheezy is going to freeze ? |
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| 14:43.56 | abrotman | unsure yet .. |
| 14:43.59 | Iridos | next ice age? |
| 14:44.38 | acu | I am organizing some training for very beginners and wondered if I should use wheezy or squeeze |
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| 14:44.54 | abrotman | acu: always use stable ? |
| 14:45.04 | thrgyjth | Is there a way to sort music files by band or album in the detailed view of a folder as there is in windows? I found no options for adding those columns.... |
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| 14:46.33 | enkidu | abrotman: stable is boooooring |
| 14:46.46 | enkidu | and 100 years after Abhorigens |
| 14:47.44 | acu | enkidu: means you haven't try the "latest" RedHatEnterpriseLinux 6.1 (or Scientific Linux) they are 3 years behind Squeeze :) - |
| 14:47.53 | acu | But they care for servers not for desktops |
| 14:48.02 | acu | Debian is a between |
| 14:48.11 | enkidu | debian is well balanced |
| 14:48.25 | enkidu | but still cant forgive famous openssl fix ;) |
| 14:49.11 | acu | I wheezy comming with LibreOffice ? |
| 14:49.23 | jelly | acu: yes |
| 14:49.47 | Iridos | actually, who said here or in #d-ot there was not excuse not to use libre? |
| 14:50.02 | asmodai_ | jelly: the debian sources for grub don't build, even if completely unmodified. This is using a clean system and a clean source (x86 kernel, not x64) |
| 14:50.30 | jelly | asmodai_: oh, that's release-critical bug |
| 14:50.37 | asmodai_ | if there any way of chasing the paper trail on how the binary was built? |
| 14:50.58 | Iridos | it's not in backports and probably (not) a hell lot of fun to backport into squeeze yourself |
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| 14:51.31 | sabayonuser | JFS by default, supports utf-8??? or should fstab iocharset=utf-8? |
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| 14:52.10 | enkidu | anyways, why was reiserfs removed from rootfs selection in installer? |
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| 14:54.17 | GuySoft | hi all, i seem to be getting "Could not find a suitable Class::Load implementation: at /usr/share/perl5/Class/Load.pm line 51" perl errors. I see similar reports on the net, with no answers. Might anyone know how to fix this? |
| 14:54.31 | abrotman | enkidu: do you need help? |
| 14:54.42 | abrotman | acu: you should use stable for classes |
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| 14:55.17 | abrotman | enkidu: reiser3 is dead upstream, reiser4 doesn't merge well .. and reiser3 is buggy |
| 14:55.28 | jelly | asmodai_: dunno, maybe on buildd.debian.org but I'm not sure how far in the past they keep build logs |
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| 14:55.52 | jelly | asmodai_: so you did "apt-get build-dep grub-legacy" and "apt-get source grub-legacy" and tried to build it and it fails? |
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| 14:57.40 | acu | thanks abrotman - I needed an extra push - I just thought that this is for beginners - it would not matter - but if it breaks too often I should b e causchous |
| 14:58.01 | acu | cautious |
| 14:59.06 | dym | abrotman: still around? |
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| 14:59.48 | jelly | asmodai_: fwiw, it builds for me in a month old squeeze i386 chroot: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 118068 Dec 5 14:58 grub_0.97-64_i386.deb |
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| 15:01.23 | abrotman | dym: midly |
| 15:01.27 | abrotman | midly |
| 15:01.30 | abrotman | ugh .. mildly |
| 15:01.33 | dym | :D |
| 15:01.40 | jelly | failboat to spellville |
| 15:01.44 | abrotman | acu: yeah .. you don't need it to break because you want it ot be shiny for a newb |
| 15:01.48 | dym | abrotman: you didnt get back to me on the shop -> POS issue - or i missed it |
| 15:01.55 | dym | abrotman: the IDS/Proxy Idea |
| 15:02.07 | abrotman | dym: you would use a firewall+ids i'd think |
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| 15:02.30 | dym | abrotman: okay, but what if the attacker is using a vulerability within the shopsystem itself? |
| 15:02.41 | dym | any chance to catch that? |
| 15:02.44 | asmodai_ | jelly: I was just trying a straight build without making the deb, but I will try that now. |
| 15:03.05 | jelly | asmodai_: you can merely run make -f debian/rules build |
| 15:03.26 | abrotman | dym: to do what? |
| 15:03.37 | asmodai_ | jelly: I haven't gotten as far as 'make' yet, it sticks on configure |
| 15:03.42 | dym | abrotman: can i pm?`quickly? |
| 15:03.50 | dym | wont be long |
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| 15:04.09 | dym | actually its okay |
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| 15:04.25 | randylw | are there any difficulties/annoyances with using bluetooth kb/mouse on squeeze? I'm planning a new build and haven't really used linux on the desktop in a while |
| 15:04.25 | dym | i have a client that had their server compromised due to a lack of updates on their shopsystem |
| 15:04.26 | abrotman | dym: you should keep it here .. i'm also in the middle of drating a long email .. might miss it |
| 15:04.29 | abrotman | draft! |
| 15:04.29 | abrotman | grrr |
| 15:04.39 | dym | abrotman: i have a client that had their server compromised due to a lack of updates on their shopsystem |
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| 15:04.56 | dym | abrotman: and now the client is asking for a way to improve security in front of the shopsystem |
| 15:05.21 | nkuttler | dym: well the first step is to identify the attack vector. also define compromised |
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| 15:06.14 | dym | nkuttler: the attacker somehow used a vulnerability to install arbitrary software on the shopspace |
| 15:06.20 | dym | nkuttler: phpshell in this case |
| 15:06.35 | dym | nkuttler: possibly due to some php POST issue with the shop |
| 15:06.52 | asmodai_ | jelly: okay, it builds using the debian commands. I'll just patch the source with my patches, build again and pull the bits I need from the deb |
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| 15:07.36 | nkuttler | dym: well you should first check the software's support for security, then look into securing the httpd. |
| 15:07.55 | dym | nkuttler: the httpd cant get much more secure. the user is jailed within his chroot |
| 15:07.58 | dym | well |
| 15:07.58 | dym | ftp that is |
| 15:07.59 | nkuttler | dym: if the httpd can create files.. there's your first problem |
| 15:08.07 | dym | nkuttler: its not a 777 issue |
| 15:08.08 | nkuttler | ftp? secure? what? |
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| 15:08.45 | abrotman | dym: what was the attack vector ? |
| 15:08.46 | jelly | asmodai_: again, I'd do it the other way round (plug the custom patches in the debian source) as that often ends up being easier |
| 15:08.51 | dym | nkuttler: i was just wondering if its to any use to maybe identify certain things before they even reach the machine |
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| 15:08.57 | jelly | to do. |
| 15:09.04 | dym | abrotman: vector? elaborate pls |
| 15:09.21 | nkuttler | < dym> nkuttler: the attacker somehow used a vulnerability to install arbitrary software on the shopspace < dym> nkuttler: possibly due to some php POST issue with the shop |
| 15:09.24 | abrotman | dym: how was it compromised .. |
| 15:09.41 | abrotman | wait .. the server accepts http requests from outside the shop ? |
| 15:09.52 | dym | abrotman: no further investigation took place, but the client was using a outdated shopsoftware |
| 15:10.06 | dym | well abrotman obviously :D if clients request the website :P |
| 15:10.09 | asmodai_ | jelly: ugh, doing the debian patches makes the custom patch fail. |
| 15:10.27 | abrotman | dym: when i said POS ..i meant a sales terminal .. like at the store |
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| 15:10.45 | dym | abrotman: nah |
| 15:10.49 | dym | its an online shopsystem |
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| 15:11.02 | abrotman | dym: "an e-commerce website" |
| 15:11.09 | dym | basically |
| 15:11.12 | nkuttler | dym: a properly designed software wouldn't do anything with random POST data.. sigh php |
| 15:11.24 | abrotman | nkuttler: PHP isn't the problem here |
| 15:11.42 | nkuttler | not sure why dym said what he said then |
| 15:11.56 | dym | well |
| 15:12.01 | dym | it most probably was |
| 15:12.03 | Justin | abrotman: php is almost always the problem :) |
| 15:12.04 | abrotman | nkuttler: the problem is that the developer didn't sanitize inputs, etc |
| 15:12.15 | abrotman | Justin: no .. the developer is the problem .. |
| 15:12.23 | nkuttler | abrotman: oh well we shouldn't discuss this here but if you ask.. the php ecosystem then |
| 15:12.30 | dym | abrotman: well - its a discontinued opensource software shop - which makes it a big security risk. |
| 15:12.34 | dym | i know |
| 15:12.36 | dym | keeping the patchlevel |
| 15:12.38 | dym | but im thinking |
| 15:12.42 | dym | what can i do "before" that? |
| 15:12.45 | abrotman | if you accept random POST from anywhere, and allow things to happen ... someone is in trouble :) |
| 15:12.52 | dym | ! |
| 15:12.53 | dym | indeed |
| 15:12.57 | dym | but thats nomb |
| 15:13.17 | dym | i thought there may be stuff i can do to identify attackers before they even reach the machine |
| 15:13.23 | dym | with any sort of pattern |
| 15:13.32 | dym | i was just throwing around ideas |
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| 15:14.18 | dym | I thought maybe a proxy that delivers request to the webserver which is on a private lan - maybe insert an IDS there |
| 15:14.34 | abrotman | dym: you could try .. but if the attack is targeted .. it may not see it |
| 15:14.44 | dym | abrotman: it will not. |
| 15:14.46 | dym | im sure it wont |
| 15:14.53 | dym | but i need something to present the client :D |
| 15:15.08 | dym | to play the "good guy" :D |
| 15:15.09 | abrotman | dym: if it's someone just trying to throw the kitchen at you .. it should catch on |
| 15:15.10 | nkuttler | dym: ideally each form submission should include some nonce or other csrf protection |
| 15:15.37 | nkuttler | but it doesn't sound like this would necessarily have helped in your case.. |
| 15:15.40 | dym | abrotman: sorry - what does that mean? :D |
| 15:15.45 | dym | nkuttler: nah :D |
| 15:15.49 | dym | patching would have |
| 15:15.55 | dym | or using a non-outdated shop :D |
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| 15:17.37 | dym | abrotman: abrotman "throwing the kitchen at someone" is that to blame someone? |
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| 15:22.09 | ompaul | dym: in that context as in any other context "the kitchen sink" will translate to "everything you can imagine" within the domain of discussion. |
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| 15:23.02 | zagabar | I am using KDE/Openbox with debian and suddenly I realised that all file associations were reset and the application launcher menu is empty. This means that it is difficult to launch programs or know which standard programs I should open my files with. It diesn't get restored when rebooting. Does this have to do with debian or KDE and do you know a way to fix it? |
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| 15:23.35 | Owner | zagabar| try making a new user and seeing how it looks |
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| 15:25.12 | abrotman | dym: i meant that they'd try many vulns instead of a direct/specific attempt |
| 15:25.37 | karlpinc_ | zagabar: Out of curiousity, what version of debian? |
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| 15:29.20 | zagabar | karlpinc_: I am using 6.0.3 squeeze main. And I made a new user and it did not have the associations either.3 |
| 15:29.31 | dym | abrotman: right |
| 15:29.49 | dym | abrotman: i suggested a proxy / ids now - not much more i can do anyways. |
| 15:30.04 | zagabar | However, if I launch a session in say, LXDE I do have them. So perhaps KDE/openbox turned wacko somehow. |
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| 15:32.43 | karlpinc_ | zagabar: You could try the bug tracking system and see if somebody has reported something or there's a work-around. (Or just wait for someone to answer here.) |
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| 15:33.09 | zagabar | karlpinc_: Okay, thanks. :) |
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| 15:51.46 | dragov | hello someone help me,frontview not interpret php |
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| 15:53.51 | zagabar | karlpinc_: found this: http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/applications/454287-applications-missing-kde-menu-file-associations-not-working.html someone with the exact same problem :) |
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| 15:57.44 | dragov | http://nopaste.info/b094241aab.html |
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| 16:14.53 | mrtnt86 | Is there a command/utility, which fills the screen with this: http://pastebin.com/4AmZXZ3G ? I mean one could use "clear" or "Ctrl+l". but this clears the scree, but I would like to have my "[root@ ~]#" sting printed all over the screen. Any ideas? |
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| 16:16.28 | Sm0ke0ut | hold enter @ mrtnt86 ? I don't really get it :P |
| 16:17.51 | mrtnt86 | Sm0ke0ut: yes, I usually hold down "enter" key for this, but is there some utility, which is able to make this faster? :) |
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| 16:20.19 | chromaticwt | hm... debian gnu/minix? |
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| 16:20.30 | abrotman | why? |
| 16:20.54 | chromaticwt | why not? |
| 16:21.56 | batouzo | how to have inserted media esp. USB mass store auto mount to /mount/ ? |
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| 16:22.07 | batouzo | on debian testing. to have effect similar to ubuntu |
| 16:22.12 | nkuttler | mrtnt86: are you sure you don't simply want the prompt at the bottom of your terminal? |
| 16:22.49 | mrtnt86 | nkuttler: this would do as well in case blank lines are printed. |
| 16:22.51 | abrotman | !automount |
| 16:22.51 | dpkg | If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <usb mount>, <pmount>, <ivman> or <halevt>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>. |
| 16:22.57 | nkuttler | mrtnt86: just google it |
| 16:23.18 | mrtnt86 | nkuttler: is there such utility? |
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| 16:24.05 | batouzo | abrotman: which method will allow to mount fvat devices so that every user (or in given 1 group) can use it (no matter who is logging in) from this possibilities? |
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| 16:25.09 | abrotman | i have no idea .. gnome handles it for me .. |
| 16:25.16 | nkuttler | mrtnt86: should be covered in the bash prompt howto |
| 16:25.17 | abrotman | i think a lot of people use pmount |
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| 16:59.07 | brah | Hi. Just updated to Gnome3, and I've got the new menus and bar and all that jazz. |
| 16:59.07 | brah | But the theme looks.. unthemed. |
| 16:59.07 | brah | Fonts, context menues and title bars look like crap. |
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| 17:02.22 | kfogel | Last night I used my new Debian 'testing' distro Thinkpad T420s with dock for the first time (with external monitor). This morning is the first time since then that I've booted up the laptop standalone, and the laptop's screen is now all flickery -- like its refresh rate has slowed down drastically or something (except that I didn't know LCD screens even had refresh rates). It's very noticeable, and quite headache-inducing. Has anyon |
| 17:02.22 | kfogel | e heard of this problem before? It's independent of X Windows or Gnome3; the problem is apparent from the first moment the screen powers on, even during Grub. |
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| 17:06.13 | gunfire007 | what is the theme chager known as ?? from which the background can also be changed ? |
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| 17:07.27 | nkuttler | gunfire007: theme for what? |
| 17:07.44 | EdePopede | the persona stuff? |
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| 17:08.31 | EdePopede | ups.. wrong channel :D |
| 17:09.10 | boudiccas | i've just got a new phone and am trying to copy some music files to it, its on /media/usb1/data but it wont copy them across, it seems to be a matter of permissions, how do i sort it please? [this is on a squeeze box using kde] |
| 17:09.54 | Vasistha | boudiccas: first type "mount" and make sure the device is mounted rw and not readonly |
| 17:10.15 | Vasistha | boudiccas: ...erm, assuming you're at a text terminal |
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| 17:11.57 | boudiccas | Vasistha; mount /media/usb1/data |
| 17:11.58 | boudiccas | mount: can't find /media/usb1/data in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 17:12.20 | Vasistha | boudiccas: I said just type mount, not mount /media/whatever |
| 17:12.27 | boudiccas | so logically i need to add it to fstab? |
| 17:12.41 | Vasistha | So I've upgraded my Dad's mobo & cpu from a 32-bit intel to 64-bid amd. I then installed the amd64 linux kernel and it worked fine until I tried to run virtualbox, which failed. It seems that I was running the i386 version of the amd64 kernel, and the majority of packages on the computer are still i386 versions |
| 17:12.56 | jhutchins_lt | kfogel: To begin with, you're running an unstable version of a new graphical system that definitely doesn't have all the bugs worked out or even located yet. |
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| 17:13.08 | boudiccas | Vasistha; true! ..... /dev/sdc1 on /media/usb1 type vfat (rw,noexec,nodev,sync,noatime,nodiratime) |
| 17:13.36 | jhutchins_lt | kfogel: You can try xrandr, possibly with whatever widget it has for gnome(3) and that should allow you to reset your refresh rate. |
| 17:14.00 | jhutchins_lt | kfogel: You may need to look at your bios settings and see if there's anything there. |
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| 17:14.42 | Vasistha | boudiccas: okay so it's mounted rw, but I don't see an option for "user" or "users" so it may be that only root can write to it right now. It's too bad that didn't happen automatically but we can fix it |
| 17:14.44 | jhutchins_lt | kfogel: You should also check the IBM website for the BIOS update that almost every Thinkpad has available. |
| 17:15.05 | boudiccas | Vasistha; k :) |
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| 17:15.28 | Vasistha | boudiccas: can you be root? |
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| 17:15.33 | kfogel | jhutchins_lt: thanks. I looked in BIOS settings; am looking on Lenovo site now. xrandr / randr is not related to X Windows, right? |
| 17:15.41 | boudiccas | Vasistha; i can sudo |
| 17:15.58 | Vasistha | kfogel: xrandr is part of the xwin suite |
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| 17:16.35 | Vasistha | boudiccas: mount -o remount,users /dec/sdc1 /media/usb1 |
| 17:16.36 | kfogel | jhutchins_lt: actually, now that I think about it more carefully, this *can't* be a Debian issue -- it starts from Grub menu or before. |
| 17:16.49 | kfogel | jhutchins_lt: so maybe I'm in the wrong forum, d'oh. Thanks. |
| 17:16.59 | Vasistha | kfogel: well grub is considered part of debian |
| 17:17.20 | kfogel | Vasistha: yeah, but it was even before Grub I'm pretty sure (I'll double check on my next reboot). |
| 17:17.51 | Vasistha | So as for my own question -- I reverted to using the i386 kernel, so that virtualbox would work again. What is the recommended way to upgrade my system to 64-bit though? Should I get a new HDD and do a new install? Is that the best way? |
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| 17:19.29 | boudiccas | Vasistha; ok, done |
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| 17:19.43 | merlin1991 | hey, I got a new debian box and would like to transfer most users (+ date) but not all from the old box, is there any guide for that? |
| 17:19.47 | kfogel | Vasistha: (just FYI, I think https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/794474 may be it) |
| 17:19.48 | Vasistha | boudiccas: now try using the drive again |
| 17:19.51 | merlin1991 | s/date/data/ |
| 17:20.20 | Vasistha | merlin1991: you want them all to keep their passwords and data? |
| 17:20.25 | merlin1991 | yep |
| 17:20.33 | Vasistha | merlin1991: what do you mean by "+date" ? |
| 17:20.54 | merlin1991 | that was a typo should have been data :D |
| 17:20.55 | Vasistha | or -- maybe you meant "data" |
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| 17:21.51 | Vasistha | merlin1991: I'd do the data part first. cp -a from one /home partition to the other /home partition, just do the users you want. e.g. cp -ai /old/home/{joe,mary,ivan} /new/home |
| 17:22.47 | Iridos | or use rsync via the network if that's more convenient |
| 17:22.52 | merlin1991 | by box I meant root-server |
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| 17:23.36 | Vasistha | merlin1991: then you can copy /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow and /etc/groups and /etc/gshadow and edit those files to remove the users/groups you don't want |
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| 17:24.27 | merlin1991 | what's /etc/gshadow? |
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| 17:24.36 | Iridos | merlin1991, dunno if there's guides... for the main part it's pretty trivial (as in "copy the data" and users/password) and for the other part it is pretty individual (as in "look for what other stuff there is and transfer it") |
| 17:24.37 | Vasistha | merlin1991: there also could be user data stored in other places like /var/mail |
| 17:24.46 | Vasistha | merlin1991: I don't really know :) I just saw it there |
| 17:25.02 | Iridos | well |
| 17:25.03 | boudiccas | Vasistha; still unable to copy over. it says access denied |
| 17:25.08 | Iridos | as you listed it in that order... |
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| 17:25.12 | Iridos | group-shadow |
| 17:25.26 | Iridos | shadow for if you have groups with passwords? |
| 17:25.34 | Vasistha | boudiccas: can you try touching a file as root? su touch /media/usb1/hello |
| 17:25.43 | Vasistha | boudiccas: oops "sudo" |
| 17:25.46 | Vasistha | or whatever you do |
| 17:25.50 | merlin1991 | do I need to reboot to get the new groups and users into place? |
| 17:25.56 | brah | merlin1991: No. |
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| 17:26.28 | merlin1991 | so I just copy the files edit out what I don't want, put them in place and the new users should be ready? |
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| 17:27.59 | boudiccas | Vasistha; sudo touch /media/usb1/data/backup/sk.swf ......... and hello appears on the device :) |
| 17:28.05 | Vasistha | merlin1991: that's pretty much it |
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| 17:28.33 | Vasistha | boudiccas: okay so you can put files on there as root, so it's definitely a permissions problem |
| 17:28.51 | Vasistha | boudiccas: another thing you can do it look at the directory permissions, ls -ld /media/usb1 |
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| 17:29.31 | Vasistha | boudiccas: if that directory /media/usb1 doesn't have the right permissions I believe that can block access even though it is a mount point |
| 17:29.40 | boudiccas | Vasistha; ls -ld /media/usb1........drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 32768 Dec 5 17:26 /media/usb1 |
| 17:29.48 | Vasistha | boudiccas: although I'm not 100% sure of that and that is really weird :P |
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| 17:30.50 | Vasistha | boudiccas: well you can go the insecure route and just chmod go+w /media/usb1 or you could do it more securely and create a group ... or actually, maybe the problem is that your user is not a member of the plugdev group |
| 17:31.01 | merlin1991 | in my /etc there is also group-, passwd-, shadow-, gshadow- what's up with those files? |
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| 17:31.41 | Vasistha | merlin1991: I think they're just backups |
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| 17:31.51 | babilen | Vasistha: Exactly |
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| 17:32.47 | Vasistha | boudiccas: what is your username? I'll assume it's your nick. so: groups boudiccas |
| 17:33.16 | boudiccas | its actually boztu :) |
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| 17:34.13 | boudiccas | Vasistha; sudo groups boztu boztu : boztu cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev netdev bluetooth scanner |
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| 17:34.45 | Vasistha | you actually didn't need the sudo there but whatever. you're already a member of plugdev -- and I'm not even sure if that's applicable here |
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| 17:37.26 | boudiccas | Vasistha; we'll have to take a break here because its teatime and my kids are wanting their tea, and its also getting close to a backup time so i need to disengage it just in case cron tries to backup to it |
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| 17:39.26 | Iridos | Vasistha, actually the permissions of the mount point change to the permissions of the mounted directory when you mount... so it's not "the permissions of the mountpoint" that you see when something is mounted |
| 17:40.17 | Vasistha | Iridos: I should hope that would be the case, but sometimes I've seen strange behavior, maybe it was a lack of understanding on my part. At any rate this is a vfat device so the permissions are screwy anyway |
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| 17:43.03 | jhutchins_lt | I thought this was a well known problem with a well known solution. |
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| 17:43.48 | jhutchins_lt | Mounting removable drives in handled in fuse by the desktop manager. Since KDE lacks the ability to set permissions for the mounts, you simply create an entry in the fstab that handles it. |
| 17:43.54 | jhutchins_lt | You can do it by device or by UUID. |
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| 17:44.31 | jhutchins_lt | /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto,umask=0000 0 0 |
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| 17:45.59 | jhutchins_lt | I have heard that there is a way to set the permissions in Gnome but I don't know for sure, the above would work in gnome as well. |
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| 17:47.45 | Iridos | jhutchins_lt, huh? |
| 17:48.05 | Iridos | how can kde "lack ability to set permissions"? |
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| 17:48.55 | Iridos | fuse mount should be done by the user itself, not root and hence the drive should be owned by the user and the permissions fine (for that user) |
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| 17:49.14 | jhutchins_lt | Iridos: Great. Does yours work that way? Mine doesn't. |
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| 17:49.53 | jhutchins_lt | Iridos: What I mean is that there is nowhere (that I have yet found) in KDE to set what permissions a removable device will have when mounted. |
| 17:50.24 | Iridos | jhutchins_lt, I never used to have a DE at all and used usbmount, which works differently... and yes, in gnome, the drives I did mount were fine (so I didn't really look how everything is done) |
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| 17:52.04 | Iridos | lemme check... that was vfat we were talking about? |
| 17:52.19 | jhutchins_lt | Iridos: afik it doesn't matter. |
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| 17:53.00 | Iridos | /dev/sdf1 on /media/ringstick2 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush) |
| 17:53.10 | Iridos | not fuse |
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| 17:53.58 | Iridos | dunno how exactly it mounts it... but that's the result |
| 17:54.07 | Iridos | and it's not using any fuse driver |
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| 17:54.28 | Iridos | and also does correctly uid=1000,gid=1000 |
| 17:55.45 | Vasistha | so guys, please tell boudiccas when he comes back, I'm sure you're both more capable of helping him than I am |
| 17:55.57 | tdr | can i bruteforce seahorse? |
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| 17:56.35 | Iridos | her, actually, iirc |
| 17:56.50 | boudiccas | Iridos; correct :) |
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| 17:59.03 | valerie_ | hey guys - I have two laptops - with Debian squeeze amd64 = and Atheros wifi - none of them have wifi working -if I do iwconfig - I can see the wlan0 but the wifi networks are not shown |
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| 17:59.23 | _Mikey | :( |
| 17:59.35 | Iridos | jhutchins_lt, that's actually what I don't like about DEs in a nutshell... they do all kinds of stuff and it's pretty hard to tell what bits do what in which way |
| 17:59.45 | Vasistha | valerie_: what happens with: iwlist ath0 scan |
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| 18:00.08 | Iridos | if you have a separate automounter at least you know what program to blame and where to look for configuration and stuff |
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| 18:01.15 | valerie_ | Vasistha - is strange if I do iwlist wlan0 scan - I get -> wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down |
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| 18:02.17 | Vasistha | hmm I think it needs to have a connected status in order to scan, or something zany like that |
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| 18:03.05 | valerie_ | on the other laptop I have wlan0 no scan results |
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| 18:06.16 | alesan | hi, anybody here knows emdebian? |
| 18:06.18 | Vasistha | valerie_: hmm wish I remembered better how to do this. I guess you have already looked at networkmanager or wicd? |
| 18:06.22 | Vasistha | !emdebian |
| 18:06.25 | alesan | apparently there is no #emdebian |
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| 18:06.44 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
| 18:07.13 | Iridos | all official channels are on oftc.net |
| 18:07.14 | valerie_ | Vasistha: ath0 Interface doesn;t support scan |
| 18:07.18 | Iridos | (kinda) |
| 18:07.57 | alesan | Iridos, :( I thought this IRC network was the official one for debian :( |
| 18:08.09 | Vasistha | valerie_: I'm fairly certain you (paradoxically) need to connect to a network in order to scan |
| 18:08.14 | alesan | Iridos, I have never heard Debian had its own separate IRC network |
| 18:08.21 | lstarnes | alesan: it doesn't |
| 18:08.28 | Vasistha | valerie_: but you don't actually have to be connected, the wireless interface just needs to be alert, and it can be faked |
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| 18:08.31 | alesan | lstarnes, what? |
| 18:08.33 | lstarnes | they just don't use freenode |
| 18:08.38 | lstarnes | oftc isn't just for debian |
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| 18:08.48 | alesan | lstarnes, so this channel is kind of "bogus"? |
| 18:09.00 | lstarnes | well, it's semi-official |
| 18:09.16 | Vasistha | alesan: it's the old standard, this used to be the official debian network, but debian changed the official network to oftc a few years ago |
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| 18:09.29 | alesan | Vasistha, but why!! |
| 18:09.36 | Vasistha | alesan: politics |
| 18:09.41 | lstarnes | because they liked oftc better |
| 18:09.45 | alesan | Vasistha, :( |
| 18:09.54 | alesan | what is better there? |
| 18:09.56 | nkuttler | i think it was something about fundraising for freenode |
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| 18:10.14 | alesan | fundraising? |
| 18:10.20 | alesan | what do you mean? |
| 18:10.23 | daemonkeeper | It wasn't. But that discussion is probably off-topic. |
| 18:10.40 | Vasistha | alesan: anyway it doesn't matter that much, just log into oftc :-) |
| 18:10.45 | alesan | daemonkeeper, so it's OT to discuss about #debian in #debian ? |
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| 18:10.54 | nkuttler | !tell alesan about ot |
| 18:10.55 | alesan | Vasistha, I did already ;) |
| 18:11.01 | daemonkeeper | Yes, it is. Because this is a /technical/ support channel. :) |
| 18:11.06 | jhutchins_lt | alesan: This channel has been around for quite a while and is quite legitimate. There's a lot of overlap between the channels on the two networks, which is why it's considered rude to ask in both channels at once. |
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| 18:11.24 | alesan | jhutchins_lt, so you can help me with emdebian? |
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| 18:11.41 | nkuttler | there should be a !why oftc. i'd do it if i knew |
| 18:11.45 | alesan | jhutchins_lt, or should I ask on #emdebian? |
| 18:11.51 | Vasistha | So I've upgraded my Dad's mobo & cpu from a 32-bit intel to 64-bid amd. I then installed the amd64 linux kernel and it worked fine until I tried to run virtualbox, which failed. It seems that I was running the i386 version of the amd64 kernel, and the majority of packages on the computer are still i386 versions |
| 18:11.57 | jhutchins_lt | alesan: You should ask in emdebian on oftc.net |
| 18:12.12 | Vasistha | I reverted to using the i386 kernel, so that virtualbox would work again. What is the recommended way to upgrade Dad's system to 64-bit though? Should I get a new HDD and do a new install? Is that the best way? |
| 18:12.17 | alesan | jhutchins_lt, that is exactly what I am doing, why did you mention it's rude etc |
| 18:12.22 | jhutchins_lt | alesan: You can ask here too, but if the problem is specific to emdebian there won't be many who can help you. |
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| 18:12.42 | nkuttler | Vasistha: if you switch to a different arch you want to reinstall |
| 18:12.57 | jhutchins_lt | alesan: It's considered to ask in #debian on both freenode and on oftc.net at the same time because you can't follow answers in both places as well. |
| 18:13.12 | Vasistha | nkuttler: ah, okay. I assume /etc will transfer over happily? I can just use dpkg --get-selections and --set-selections |
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| 18:13.17 | alesan | jhutchins_lt, but I won't join #debian over there |
| 18:13.18 | alesan | anyway |
| 18:13.19 | alesan | thanks |
| 18:13.21 | alesan | !!! |
| 18:13.22 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 18:13.23 | nkuttler | Vasistha: should, yeah |
| 18:13.34 | Vasistha | nkuttler: alright, thanks much |
| 18:13.41 | Vasistha | of course it is a terrible time to be buying a hdd :P |
| 18:14.01 | nkuttler | Vasistha: i've moved virtual hosts from i386 to amd64 in the past though. had no problems |
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| 18:15.29 | nkuttler | could be because the old cpu couldn't virtualize at all though |
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| 18:17.43 | Iridos | alsd, officially debian moved to oftc some years ago, but this channel stayed the more popular one depite of the official move and so it hangs on |
| 18:18.05 | lstarnes | the one on oftc does have well over 400 users though |
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| 18:19.00 | Vasistha | not only that, this channel has grown. at the time of the move this chan typically had, what, 700 nicks? There are over 1200 now |
| 18:19.40 | Iridos | (me was still reading backlog just now, hence the late reply) |
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| 18:20.25 | Iridos | Vasistha, yeah...perhaps bit more... so 300 trolls and spambots more since then :P |
| 18:20.47 | Vasistha | heh |
| 18:21.29 | boudiccas | right, teas done and everyone is eating jam sandwiches :) i'm back with my new phone to put mp3s on please. first problem is that debian hasnt seen that i've plugged it in, any ideas please folks? |
| 18:21.57 | Dbug | 7 bln humans on earth by now... some of them must be smart enough :D |
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| 18:22.00 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: Nothing in dmesg? |
| 18:22.04 | batouzo | boudiccas: other phones work? |
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| 18:22.28 | Vasistha | boudiccas: if you scroll up a bit and read the conversation between Iridos and jhutchins_lt about 34 minutes ago you could get some hints |
| 18:22.30 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: What release, what desktop |
| 18:22.33 | boudiccas | jhutchins; i'm looking at the widget on the kde desktop, and when i do 'mount' its not shown then |
| 18:22.45 | boudiccas | jhutchins; squeeze |
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| 18:23.46 | boudiccas | batouzo; no idea, its the only phone that i have to synchronise with |
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| 18:24.08 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: What does dmesg say? |
| 18:24.24 | boudiccas | jhutchins; wait five please |
| 18:24.50 | Vasistha | boudiccas: seems like you've taken a step backwards? last time you were able to touch a file as root, just needed to get permissions fixed |
| 18:25.02 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: Also what kind of phone? (There's a driver problem that affects some Apple products) |
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| 18:26.11 | NikLP | you guys have any issue/argument with installing aptitude on a new server? It's being recommended to me but I'm new to this and I wanted an opinion |
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| 18:26.34 | NikLP | totally interchangeable etc? |
| 18:26.36 | Vasistha | do it |
| 18:26.52 | jhutchins_lt | NikLP: interchangable? |
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| 18:27.03 | jhutchins_lt | NikLP: aptitude is the default package manager |
| 18:27.04 | Vasistha | yeah, apt-get and aptitude now use the same libraries to make marks and changes and updates |
| 18:27.13 | Vasistha | although perhaps it is already installed? |
| 18:27.23 | jhutchins_lt | !why aptitude |
| 18:27.23 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. lenny->squeeze). Read the release notes and http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
| 18:27.37 | NikLP | ah right |
| 18:27.45 | NikLP | I waas on lenny on my old box so didn't know |
| 18:27.54 | NikLP | not used debian in a while (and very little) |
| 18:28.14 | Vasistha | darn it i still need to do that upgrade. |
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| 18:29.43 | NikLP | ok thanks guys :) |
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| 18:31.38 | boudiccas | jhutchins; http://www.dpaste.org/0kj2m/ |
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| 18:32.11 | xro | Hi, i'm looking for someone familiar with diff... i have a project and i think to use it... but i would like to debate about feasability.... anybody? |
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| 18:32.19 | boudiccas | jhutchins; its a sony ericson, xperia |
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| 18:33.05 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: Well, good news is I haven't heard of any problems with those. |
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| 18:33.26 | boudiccas | thats good to hear :) |
| 18:33.46 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: As far as dmesg goes, what we want is the end of the log right after you plug the device in. Does the phone show anything when it's connected? Does it go into charging mode or anything? |
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| 18:34.29 | boudiccas | jhutchins; yes, it starts recharging from the usb cable, and when its connected first it shows the 'home' page of it |
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| 18:34.55 | boudiccas | jhutchins; that is all the log shows after i plug it in |
| 18:34.58 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: good signs. |
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| 18:35.25 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: dmesg should show several pages of lines. |
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| 18:36.44 | boudiccas | jhutchins; it doesnt show up in dmesg, the last few lines are what i pasted in the pastebin |
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| 18:37.10 | boudiccas | it shows my usb h/d but not the phone |
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| 18:39.44 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: What we're looking for is something like this:http://www.dpaste.org/2ZqYc/ |
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| 18:40.12 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: You may need to look for a setting on the phone that makes it connect as a USB Storage Device. |
| 18:40.29 | Ragnar | Heya guys, I have a slapd setup, with four-five servers using ldap as authentication |
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| 18:40.36 | Ragnar | how do I remove ldap from the servers? |
| 18:40.39 | Ragnar | they're all debian 6.0 |
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| 18:40.52 | jmd | How do I set my background color? |
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| 18:42.18 | jhutchins_lt | Ragnar: Authentication for what? |
| 18:42.51 | Ragnar | the servers are logged onto the dc=loc |
| 18:42.58 | jhutchins_lt | Ragnar: WHo set this up and why are you changing it? |
| 18:42.58 | Ragnar | and use ldap for ssh authentication |
| 18:43.09 | Ragnar | Previous sysadmin set it up |
| 18:43.11 | Ragnar | its not documented |
| 18:43.15 | Ragnar | and we dont need it. |
| 18:43.36 | Ragnar | and I dont want to end up not being able to logon at all. I've never used slapd before, so I am little bit caused about removing it |
| 18:44.09 | jhutchins_lt | Ragnar: Probably a good idea to figure out how it works and how it was set up before you start modifying it. |
| 18:44.31 | boudiccas | jhutchins; thanks , its now seen by the computer |
| 18:44.55 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: Great, what did you change/ |
| 18:44.57 | jhutchins_lt | ? |
| 18:45.11 | Ragnar | jhutchins_lt: yeah, that might be a good idea. |
| 18:45.24 | Ragnar | have you worked with slapd before? |
| 18:46.02 | jhutchins_lt | Last time I messed with ldap it wasn't really ready for non-programmers. (It's been a while.) |
| 18:46.51 | jhutchins_lt | Ragnar: These things tend to be more standardized now, so you should be able to find documentation on how it's usually done then compare that with what you have. |
| 18:47.04 | Ragnar | checking the server config |
| 18:47.07 | Ragnar | it looks pretty standard |
| 18:47.14 | jhutchins_lt | Ragnar: I like the idea of centralized authentication myself, but I used to be an NT4 admin. |
| 18:47.37 | boudiccas | jhutchins; it seems i hadnt enabled usb recognition on the phone itself |
| 18:47.46 | Ragnar | yeah, I used to admin active directory networks. |
| 18:47.50 | Ragnar | centralized authentication is nice |
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| 18:47.52 | jhutchins_lt | Ragnar: I believe one usually modifies the pam stack to do this, so it's a good idea to read up on pam as well. |
| 18:47.59 | jmd | I never really saw what advantage it had over NIS |
| 18:48.03 | Ragnar | but since everything is opensource, I'd prefer using dsa certificates for ssh logons |
| 18:48.26 | Ragnar | plus, nobody except me is supposed to logon to the servers. I get using ldap for the web-programs we have |
| 18:48.30 | Ragnar | but, they dont even use it |
| 18:48.34 | Ragnar | so there is no point in having it. |
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| 18:49.32 | Ragnar | I dont see the point in having it anymore |
| 18:49.48 | jhutchins_lt | Ragnar: Possibly intended as infrastructure for future projects. |
| 18:49.59 | Ragnar | unlikely. |
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| 18:50.13 | Ragnar | the way I understand it, most of the stuff currently running, is just running because people were bored. |
| 18:50.17 | jhutchins_lt | Ragnar: Then again, some admins just do that stuff because they can, or because it looks like the Microsoft Way. |
| 18:50.23 | Ragnar | which leaves me to clean up their undocumented stuff. |
| 18:50.33 | Ragnar | I'd prefer to just reinstall the servers on by one |
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| 18:51.11 | Ragnar | jhutchins_lt: exactly |
| 18:51.15 | boudiccas | jhutchins; there is /no/ entry for it in dmesg, in fact dmesg hasnt changed since 1313 today |
| 18:51.19 | Ragnar | thats why slapd was setup. |
| 18:51.27 | Ragnar | made things too complicated. |
| 18:51.33 | Ragnar | thats what you see with most people that used to be windows admins. |
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| 18:53.44 | boudiccas | jhutchins; my goal is to load mp3s onto it |
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| 18:55.27 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: So is it working now? |
| 18:55.31 | boudiccas | yes |
| 18:55.43 | boudiccas | but i still cant copy files to it |
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| 18:56.01 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: You might like something like Amarok as a manger for loading songs and playlists. |
| 18:56.13 | boudiccas | jhutchins; ok, thanks |
| 18:56.15 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: You may need to make it user writable in fstab. |
| 18:56.28 | abrotman | if you have gnome, you can use gnome tools like rhythmbox |
| 18:56.38 | boudiccas | its not listed in fstab unless it does it automagically |
| 18:56.38 | jhutchins_lt | /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto,umask=0000 0 0 |
| 18:56.52 | boudiccas | thanks |
| 18:57.12 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: You can also do that by UUID or label so it can be device specific. |
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| 19:00.03 | boudiccas | how do you /copy/ into emacs please, i dont know the control keys for it |
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| 19:00.28 | dondelelcaro | boudiccas: C-y |
| 19:00.32 | boudiccas | thanks |
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| 19:01.01 | jmd | But it uses a different clip from that used by most windowing environments. |
| 19:01.14 | dondelelcaro | (it's called yank; C-h t; to go through the tutorial to learn how to use emacs) |
| 19:01.43 | dondelelcaro | jmd: it uses PRIMARY by default |
| 19:02.03 | dondelelcaro | (but you can tell it to use other things) |
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| 19:09.10 | batouzo | on debian testing, with radeon, how to enable KMS? |
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| 19:19.20 | boudiccas | well, i've tried transferring mp3 via krusader and konqueror, both failed, then using amarok and rhythmbox and i cant see how to do it in either of them. can anyone help/advise please? |
| 19:21.04 | Vasistha | boudiccas: did you get that line in fstab? can you write to the device without sudo? |
| 19:21.20 | boudiccas | to summarise, using squeeze and kde |
| 19:22.00 | boudiccas | Vasistha; yes, that line is now in fstab, havent tried .just been trying to transfer mp3 to it |
| 19:22.05 | Justin | boudiccas: how did you mount this device in the first place? |
| 19:22.16 | Vasistha | boudiccas: did you umount and remount it? |
| 19:22.29 | Justin | if you're using a fancy desktop environment you shouldn't have to edit fstab or do anything like that, it should just work |
| 19:22.30 | boudiccas | Justin; plug it in and enable usb debugging on the phone itself |
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| 19:22.53 | boudiccas | Vasistha; no, i didnt unmount/mount it |
| 19:22.54 | Justin | boudiccas: usb debugging? that is NOT the right thing to enable |
| 19:22.57 | Vasistha | Justin: there's been kind of a lot of discussion on this issue; it didn't "just work" |
| 19:23.14 | boudiccas | Justin; on th ephone it is |
| 19:23.21 | Justin | boudiccas: it most certainly is not |
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| 19:24.58 | boudiccas | this is odd ........ umount /media/usb1 umount: /media/usb1 mount disagrees with the fstab ....... when i try to umount it |
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| 19:25.43 | Vasistha | boudiccas: then you should umount the /dev rather than the /media |
| 19:25.56 | boudiccas | k |
| 19:25.58 | Vasistha | boudiccas: if you just type "mount" then you'll see what is mounted there, and you can umount that |
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| 19:31.42 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: You need to get it writable before any of the managers can do anything with it. |
| 19:32.58 | boudiccas | there is this line in fstab which is precluding me mounting the phone now ...... /dev/sdc1/media/usb1autorw,user,noauto,umask=0000e 0 0 ........ is that right please? |
| 19:33.25 | Vasistha | darn tabs |
| 19:33.45 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: That's what I have. |
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| 19:33.49 | Vasistha | I think that's right |
| 19:33.55 | jhutchins_lt | /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto,umask=0000 0 0 |
| 19:34.26 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: If that e is real it could be causing problems. |
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| 19:36.12 | boudiccas | jhutchins; right, fstab is now sorted andno more tabs, or errant e's, and it now mounts |
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| 19:37.41 | Vasistha | boudiccas: now can you write to it? |
| 19:37.45 | boudiccas | jhutchins; Vasistha thansk folks, its now sorted and being written to. pheew! |
| 19:37.59 | boudiccas | :) |
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| 19:46.53 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: It's easy to help you, you're clear about your problems and you do what's suggested. |
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| 19:47.44 | boudiccas | jhutchins; thank you :) |
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| 19:48.33 | boudiccas | i use the 'Nursing Process' in it. [I'm an ex-nurse] Assess, Plan, Implement, Evaluate |
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| 19:49.13 | breardo | hello |
| 19:49.37 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: Aircraft mechanic here, systematic troubleshooting is my thing. |
| 19:49.38 | breardo | this is going to sound dumb.. but can i snapshot a non-LVM debian installation, so that I can roll it back when I mess up this application install im about to do? |
| 19:50.23 | jhutchins_lt | breardo: You can image the drive. There's a live CD called clonezilla that makes it real easy. |
| 19:50.38 | breardo | thats what I was guessing I'd have to do... thanks :) |
| 19:50.43 | breardo | i'm going to roll the dice anyways :) |
| 19:50.44 | jhutchins_lt | breardo: You can also do an aptitude clone and preseed to short-cut reinstalling. |
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| 19:51.01 | breardo | appreciate the response, thanks! |
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| 20:00.38 | stephanb | hi there |
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| 20:01.30 | stephanb | is anyone else having problems with gnome3 and dbus in testing recently? my gdm3 doesn't start anymore and it looks like its dbus's fault |
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| 20:02.23 | jhutchins_lt | stephanb: I think someone mentioned that over the weekend. You might ask in #debian-next on oftc.net |
| 20:02.24 | frikinz | Hi. I'm getting lags with pulseaudio (gnome3 managed to pull it). Using mpg123, every 30s I get a half a second stop. pulseaudio has reniced itself to -11. Is at 9% cpu. I see no wiki on debian about pulseaudio. Maybe here some experts? Help! :) |
| 20:03.24 | stephanb | jhutchins_lt: what kind of channel is that? a channel for testing? |
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| 20:04.21 | jhutchins_lt | stephanb: Yes. |
| 20:04.22 | Justin | frikinz: try mpg123 -b 1024 |
| 20:04.34 | stephanb | jhutchins_lt: okay, thanks! |
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| 20:06.55 | up23four | ** FOMA F905i ** |
| 20:06.55 | up23four | ** 1 pack ** 10 of 10 slots open, Min: 0.1KB/s |
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| 20:10.09 | frikinz | Justin: hah first it didn't work (it went from one to another mp3, wonder if -b actually only played 1024 frames or if its the output fifo) and now mpg123 doesn't start anymore: Cannot initialize semaphores: File exists |
| 20:11.00 | frikinz | ipcs to the rescue |
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| 20:11.17 | boudiccas | on squeeze is there a program that will convert an mp4 file to an avi file please? |
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| 20:12.33 | boudiccas | or some cli to convert from mp4 to avi? |
| 20:12.43 | Iridos | well |
| 20:13.11 | se7 | boudiccas: ffmpeg? |
| 20:13.36 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: ffmpeg (from dmm) |
| 20:13.39 | boudiccas | se7; thats a new one on me, thanks. i'll have a look at it |
| 20:13.47 | se7 | (What's the obsession with AVI, anyway? It is quite inferior to the mp4 or mkv containers, FWIW) |
| 20:13.55 | Iridos | do you mean just change the container format without recoding? |
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| 20:14.12 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: Transcoding is a dark art. |
| 20:14.26 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: There's handbrake, which has a GUI. |
| 20:14.30 | Iridos | is that possible at all? |
| 20:15.04 | Iridos | as a gui, there's winff as a gui-frontend... but it writes "kb" instead of "k" which the ffmpeg in squeeze doesn't understand |
| 20:15.09 | boudiccas | jhutchins; i've looked at handbrake but that just seems to convert it to mp4 |
| 20:15.13 | boudiccas | an dnot avi |
| 20:15.17 | Iridos | and the option it chose gave pretty crappy results |
| 20:15.17 | se7 | Yes, ffmpeg -i bla.mp4 -acodec copy -vcodec copy bla.avi for a simple container switch |
| 20:15.54 | jhutchins_lt | I recently converted some flash to avi with ffmpeg. |
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| 20:16.29 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: It can be as simple as ffmpeg -i <filename>.mp4 <filename>.avi |
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| 20:17.33 | boudiccas | ah ,thanks for that. i've just run ffmpeg and was rather fazed by ther mass of differetn flags that it showed me |
| 20:17.40 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: Usually you're going to want to specify more options, the defaults usually aren't very good because of changing formats. You'll want to find some discussion on forums or web pages to help you tune the options. |
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| 20:17.53 | boudiccas | okay, thanks |
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| 20:18.45 | frikinz | Justin: does mpg321 -b works for you? for me it stops after a few seconds |
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| 20:19.07 | frikinz | I must be doomed today |
| 20:19.30 | Justin | frikinz: oh, i thought you said mpg123 |
| 20:19.36 | Justin | i dont think mpg321 has a -b option |
| 20:19.51 | frikinz | Justin: I did. mpg123 is alternatived linked to mpg321 here.. |
| 20:20.00 | Justin | frikinz: which one are you using? |
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| 20:20.35 | frikinz | mpg321 then which is called with /usr/bin/mpg123. Maybe I try the real one |
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| 20:23.02 | EdePopede | question@all: anyone with 2.6.32-5 on amd64? my proc/kcore is... big... REALLY big... and some users in a channel on another network have this to |
| 20:23.16 | EdePopede | +o |
| 20:23.35 | se7 | EdePopede: Some people like theirs big. |
| 20:23.55 | se7 | And there's always fishy mail coming in offering pills and whatnot. (Imagine that.) |
| 20:24.14 | frikinz | EdePopede: did you try ziping it? ;) |
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| 20:24.45 | EdePopede | just had a look into /proc and seen it then |
| 20:24.53 | se7 | and? there is nothing wrong with being big. |
| 20:26.10 | Iridos | actually there's everything wrong with it being small |
| 20:26.15 | frikinz | Justin: I think that solved it -b is something else in mpg321. Never had this problem with alsa |
| 20:26.17 | Iridos | although they say size doesn't matter... |
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| 20:26.26 | frikinz | Justin: thanks |
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| 20:27.13 | Djhfh | Help me please!!!! http://bit.ly/uPBolO |
| 20:27.50 | Iridos | he's not thinking anyone will click that link, is he? |
| 20:28.04 | EdePopede | man says physical mem + 4kb. and so it is on the other machines. but not with this particular kernel version on amd64 |
| 20:28.11 | EdePopede | <<< won't |
| 20:28.14 | jelly-home | ... !ops djhfh spam |
| 20:28.21 | jelly-home | or not |
| 20:28.26 | Iridos | ops, jelly late |
| 20:28.52 | Iridos | dun't matter, a) he left, b) I don't wanna know |
| 20:29.51 | jelly-home | a pump'n'dump scheme ad |
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| 20:30.43 | simonlnu | some other spammer did that last night... |
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| 20:31.31 | frikinz | pump n dump on what? |
| 20:31.53 | jelly-home | it doesn't matter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcap_stock_fraud |
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| 20:32.47 | frikinz | ok on browsers traffic for things like alexa then cause the website is dead empty |
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| 20:33.52 | belak | Where does the PATH when using sudo get set? |
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| 20:36.08 | belak | The thing that's messing with me, is that I have a file in /etc/profile.d/ that changes the path and that isn't run when I run sudo |
| 20:36.19 | belak | Even when I do sudo -i to get a bash shell... |
| 20:36.37 | belak | Ah, nvm on the last one |
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| 20:37.13 | se7 | EdePopede: whoever "said" something obviously has no idea |
| 20:37.21 | babilen | Iridos: http://unshort.me/ |
| 20:37.27 | babilen | ECHAN |
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| 20:40.11 | Iridos | that's nice... does that work with all other kinds of shorteners |
| 20:40.27 | EdePopede | se7: proc(5) >>> The total length of the file is the size of physical memory (RAM) plus 4KB. |
| 20:40.59 | mjt | that smells like /dev/mem |
| 20:41.09 | EdePopede | but a paste from the other channel: Note: On 64-bit systems the size of /proc/kcore is even 128TB because that's the absolute limit of what 64-bit systems can allocate. |
| 20:41.21 | mjt | oh, kcore |
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| 20:41.47 | EdePopede | never seen it before, but is my first 64bit linux |
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| 20:42.16 | jelly-home | EdePopede: -r-------- 1 root root 140737486262272 Dec 5 21:42 /proc/kcore ? :-) |
| 20:42.43 | EdePopede | -r-------- 1 root root 140737486262272 5. Dez 21:43 kcore |
| 20:42.52 | jelly-home | that's over 9000. |
| 20:43.16 | frikinz | ah |
| 20:43.27 | jelly-home | EdePopede: and your clock is too fast |
| 20:43.44 | EdePopede | i know, i never think of ntpd :\ |
| 20:43.52 | jelly-home | or chrony |
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| 20:45.03 | Ronis_BR | hi all, how can I add a repository to update just a set of programs ? I want that it becomes "masked" when apt-get upgrade is used |
| 20:46.52 | abrotman | Ronis_BR: in which version of Linux? |
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| 20:47.02 | Ronis_BR | abrotman: debian testing |
| 20:47.13 | perezd | do people recommend using upstart with debian 6? |
| 20:47.15 | abrotman | Ronis_BR: what else would you want? |
| 20:47.24 | se7 | EdePopede: actually not quite; 64-bit systems can address up to 64 bits. It's just that concurrent implementations (i.e. silicon) only implement lines for 48 bits. |
| 20:47.27 | abrotman | perezd: squeeze already has dependency based booting |
| 20:47.30 | Justin | jelly-home: it's not too fast, it's in the wrong time zone |
| 20:47.32 | NikLP | what version of mariadb are people using? |
| 20:47.33 | se7 | (or slightly less) |
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| 20:47.38 | abrotman | using ? |
| 20:47.41 | Justin | NikLP: postgresql |
| 20:47.44 | Ronis_BR | abrotman: I want to enable another repo that has many softwares, but I want to update just one |
| 20:47.46 | NikLP | :P |
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| 20:47.46 | se7 | -r-------- 1 root root 0 Dec 5 21:47 /proc/kcore |
| 20:47.48 | se7 | on sparc64 though |
| 20:47.50 | perezd | abrotman: I was thinking about using it to write custom init scripts for my app |
| 20:47.55 | Ronis_BR | abrotman: I don't want to enable/disable it |
| 20:48.07 | alternut | I cant seem to find this anywhere...what is the command to bring up the configuration to choose a display manager? |
| 20:48.16 | jelly-home | Justin: there is no timezone with an offset of +1 hour and 1 minute to UTC. |
| 20:48.16 | abrotman | Ronis_BR: which other repo is that ? |
| 20:48.25 | Vasistha | Ronis_BR: oh, so you want to only get this one package from the repo, you don't want to see all of the packages in the repo |
| 20:48.31 | Justin | jelly-home: I htink your time is off :) |
| 20:48.42 | Ronis_BR | Vasistha: it isn't just one package |
| 20:48.47 | Ronis_BR | abrotman: inner project |
| 20:49.05 | Vasistha | Ronis_BR: okay, s/this one package/some subset of packages/ |
| 20:49.15 | Ronis_BR | Vasistha: yes |
| 20:49.43 | Vasistha | yeah, I've often wanted that, dunno of a way |
| 20:49.49 | Ronis_BR | Vasistha: :( |
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| 20:50.05 | Ronis_BR | Vasistha: I think to change /etc/apt/preferences but I couldn't do it |
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| 20:50.36 | alternut | anyone? |
| 20:53.07 | Vasistha | alternut: /etc/X11/default-display-manager I think |
| 20:54.09 | alternut | yeah, thats the place to enter it...but I remember from a while back there was a command that would list the installed DM's and let you choose from them |
| 20:54.38 | simonlnu | dpkg-reconfigure gdm/kdm/xdm/whatever ... |
| 20:54.47 | alternut | for example, I have no clue what the proper names for each are, I tried lightDM but it didnt work |
| 20:54.51 | simonlnu | it's managed by debconf |
| 20:54.54 | alternut | ah |
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| 20:55.47 | se7 | EdePopede: it's because x86/x86_64 is currently the only arch to tell procfs the size of all pages |
| 20:55.51 | se7 | and mips |
| 20:55.56 | simonlnu | no caps, ever. it's by package name |
| 20:55.57 | karlpinc_ | alternut: You may also find the debtags package a useful way to search packages to figure out what's what. |
| 20:56.39 | alternut | thank you |
| 20:56.57 | alternut | also, does anyone have experience getting slim working with xfce4? |
| 20:57.10 | alternut | or have another lightweight dm to suggest |
| 20:57.26 | sfsf32 | alternut, i have slim and xfce4 |
| 20:57.50 | alternut | every time I try to use it to login, it sends me to gnome3 |
| 20:58.05 | alternut | changed the slim.conf as well |
| 20:58.37 | alternut | login_cmd exec /bin/bash -login /etc/X11/Xsession %session correct? |
| 20:58.56 | alternut | and sessions startxfce4 |
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| 20:58.59 | karlpinc_ | alternut: I seem to recall something in the man page for slim. You type something or another to change the wm, I think. |
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| 20:59.13 | sfsf32 | alternut, i don't remember but i think you have to change .xinitrc in your home |
| 20:59.26 | alternut | i dont have that file |
| 20:59.36 | sfsf32 | put a line like this "exec ck-launch-session startxfce4" |
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| 20:59.42 | sfsf32 | then create it |
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| 21:01.53 | EdePopede | se7: thx for the info, but now i think is time to reboot. and then give chrony a chance ;) |
| 21:01.58 | EdePopede | bye everyone |
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| 21:09.00 | alternut | well, successfully rebooted, but still stuck going to gnome |
| 21:11.09 | Justin | alternut: doesn't slim say something like 'press f1 for session' ? |
| 21:11.15 | alternut | nope |
| 21:11.29 | Justin | i'm pretty sure it does, I have slim on my laptop |
| 21:11.33 | sfsf32 | alternut, what happen in you go in init 3 and then do startx? |
| 21:11.37 | alternut | i have the session explicitly defined as startxfce4 |
| 21:11.43 | Justin | alternut: defined where? |
| 21:11.53 | alternut | /etc/slim.conf |
| 21:12.03 | Justin | oh, you shouldn't do that |
| 21:12.13 | alternut | o ok |
| 21:12.27 | Justin | update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 21:12.37 | Justin | that should do it |
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| 21:13.06 | alternut | that is extremely useful, thanks |
| 21:14.17 | Justin | alternut: if you look in /etc/alternatives/ you'll see that debian has tons of those |
| 21:14.27 | alternut | now which one is the proper one... /usr/bin/startxfce4 or /usr/bin/xfce4-session |
| 21:14.52 | Justin | xfce4-session probably, but they likely do the same thing |
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| 21:17.14 | alternut | after selecting xfce4...why is gnome still set to 'auto-mode'? |
| 21:17.22 | alternut | all others 'manual-mode' |
| 21:17.28 | nkuttler | what's auto-mode? |
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| 21:17.35 | Justin | I believe that means that if you remove xfce it will go back to gnome |
| 21:18.00 | alternut | and if i remove gnome...implosion? |
| 21:18.08 | nkuttler | probably because gdm defaults to gnome.. |
| 21:18.08 | Justin | no, then something else becomes the default |
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| 21:18.14 | Justin | it's all priority based |
| 21:18.29 | alternut | ah, can you configure those as well? |
| 21:19.32 | babilen | alternut: Sure, but you better don't. Just leave the default priorities as they are and do not use auto mode. |
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| 21:21.33 | alternut | okay, what program does one use to change those anyways? |
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| 21:22.19 | Justin | alternut: it's really nothing you need to worry about |
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| 21:22.40 | babilen | alternut: update-alternatives (unsurprisingly) -- but really don't |
| 21:22.44 | jhutchins_lt | Justin: Why not just select whatever you want at login? gdm should remember it next time you log in. |
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| 21:23.00 | NikLP | ok I suck at this :/ How do I get my virtualbox so I can cut & paste into a headless debian guest session? |
| 21:23.12 | jhutchins_lt | Justin: You really want to know a lot more about how linux works before you start messing with defaults. |
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| 21:24.39 | jhutchins_lt | NikLP: What do you think "headless" means in this context? |
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| 21:24.58 | NikLP | um |
| 21:25.11 | NikLP | well I can paste into putty ... ? :/ |
| 21:25.40 | NikLP | maybe I need to connect putty to the ssh instead? |
| 21:25.51 | NikLP | I'm new. I suck. I'm sorry. |
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| 21:26.56 | bmoloney | NikLP: been a while, but I think you can right click in putty to paste |
| 21:27.01 | NikLP | headless obviously means I am not really attached to the guest os via the host os, but I imagined cos of the putty thing there would be a way |
| 21:27.03 | NikLP | indeed |
| 21:27.17 | NikLP | so I guess I need to ignore the guest window and ssh in instead |
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| 21:27.31 | NikLP | so that's probably more an ssh/virtualbox question :/ |
| 21:28.23 | zagabar | If you have a headless virtual machine you could still connect to it with ssh presuming you would have an ssh server installed. |
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| 21:28.36 | zagabar | headless is only a way of running it in the background AFAIK |
| 21:28.38 | bmoloney | never used virtualbox, on all my virtual machines I use ssh unless I need to use the "console" option built into the hypervisor |
| 21:28.49 | jhutchins_lt | NikLP: It's still not at all clear what you're doing, but if you're accessing the system with putty you should be able to use putty's cut-and-paste features. Whatever OS you're running putty on will determine how it works. |
| 21:28.59 | alternut | well slim starts xfce perfectly now...now i just need to get the shutdown and suspend options working |
| 21:29.33 | jhutchins_lt | NikLP: On the other hand, if you're accessing a console screen on a system without a GUI, you may need to install GPM for console mouse services. |
| 21:30.18 | NikLP | jhutchins_lt: I have virtualbox w/win7 as host os and a headless debian, so entering via ssh (server installed) is best I guess so I can putty for now, but the network setup is rather weird, |
| 21:30.32 | NikLP | not sure how to get it so that I can access ssh/http via the host os |
| 21:30.44 | NikLP | via virtual box |
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| 21:30.53 | jhutchins_lt | NikLP: Again, what do you mean by headless? Headless usually refers to machines that don't have keyboards or monitors. |
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| 21:31.25 | jhutchins_lt | NikLP: If you're running a VM on Windows, it has a console screen. |
| 21:31.49 | NikLP | jhutchins_lt: yeah it does. I guess I meant "without gui". All I have is console. |
| 21:32.01 | jhutchins_lt | NikLP: Ok, that's NOT headless. |
| 21:32.06 | NikLP | but obv I don't have the mouse etc |
| 21:32.25 | jhutchins_lt | NikLP: aptitude install gpm, that will give you mouse services (although I'm surprised the VM manager doesn't do it). |
| 21:32.30 | NikLP | well if I pretend the console isn't there, does that make it almost headless? :) |
| 21:32.30 | zagabar | jhutchins_lt: If he means headless as the headless launching option in virtualbox then you will get not even a terminal iirc |
| 21:32.51 | jhutchins_lt | zagabar: Ah, different from the VM's I've used then, |
| 21:33.04 | zagabar | I am not sure but I think that is the case. |
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| 21:33.17 | jhutchins_lt | Wouldn't putty have mouse functions built in? |
| 21:33.39 | jhutchins_lt | I mean, you're dealing with text in a windows app, it doesn't care what's at the other end. |
| 21:33.42 | NikLP | point there is, there's a console window, but I can ignore that IF I can get in via ssh |
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| 21:33.50 | NikLP | so I can use putty then |
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| 21:34.03 | jhutchins_lt | NikLP: I would think so, but are you running ssh on the VM? |
| 21:34.15 | NikLP | I have ssh server installed yeah |
| 21:34.19 | zagabar | NikLP: are you asking for an address to the VM so that you can reach it with ssh? |
| 21:34.21 | NikLP | from the basic install |
| 21:34.24 | NikLP | yeah |
| 21:34.43 | NikLP | I tried the eth0 ip but nada |
| 21:34.52 | zagabar | try "ifconfig" on the VM to see if it has an appropriate network interface to connect to |
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| 21:34.54 | NikLP | so not sure I can see the ip in the host os |
| 21:34.58 | NikLP | ^^ |
| 21:35.20 | jhutchins_lt | Now we begin to understand the problem. |
| 21:35.22 | zagabar | I suppose it would have some kind of private space IP address. |
| 21:35.44 | zagabar | In that case you could probably access it from the host machine by just sshing to that address. Perhaps |
| 21:35.50 | NikLP | well at this stage it almost falls out of the scope of this channel :0 |
| 21:35.52 | NikLP | tried |
| 21:36.13 | Justin | NikLP: you have virtualbox configured wrong then |
| 21:36.22 | zagabar | NikLP: what is the output of "ifconfig" |
| 21:36.23 | NikLP | so it would seem |
| 21:36.25 | jhutchins_lt | It depends on how networking is configured. The VH can assign an address, it can pass an address from one of it's interfaces, or it can create a virtual interface with it's own address, either fixed or dhcp from the same server that serves the host. |
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| 21:37.20 | jhutchins_lt | NikLP: Yeah, you're kindof at the "networking in virtualbox on windows" stage, once you get that working, Debian networking howto. |
| 21:37.52 | NikLP | yeah that's what I thought |
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| 21:38.08 | NikLP | wasn't sure if the virtualbox additions would pick it up is all |
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| 21:39.33 | jhutchins_lt | NikLP: #vbox |
| 21:39.42 | NikLP | yeah sweet thanks :) |
| 21:40.05 | jhutchins_lt | We'll be glad to help with the debian side once you've set up an interface. |
| 21:40.23 | jhutchins_lt | Does anybody know what "Networking-[34]-HOWTO" means in this factoid? |
| 21:40.37 | jhutchins_lt | !network setup |
| 21:40.37 | dpkg | methinks network setup is Go read: Networking-[34]-HOWTO, then man ifconfig, man route, man interfaces. Then ask your question. |
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| 21:41.59 | Justin | NikLP: just change the nic in virtualbox from 'nat' to 'bridge' and it will work better for you |
| 21:43.03 | NikLP | Justin: thanks, that normally helps, I've had issues with it in certain circs tho |
| 21:43.08 | NikLP | np in #vbox now |
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| 21:50.15 | merlin1991 | I've copied the complete /var/spool/apt-mirror/ dir edited the mirror.list, but apt-mirror claims Proceed indexes: [Sapt-mirror: invalid Sources format at /usr/bin/apt-mirror line 473, <STREAM> line 115. |
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| 22:01.44 | KettleCooked | Yo! I have a small Debian Squeeze, in which I've just inserted a PCI audio card, an M-Audio Audiophile. I've never ever "installed" hardware in Linux before (other than plugging in and it working) - where do I begin the process? Can I diagnose the system as is first? |
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| 22:02.51 | ompaul | KettleCooked: you could look here http://www.linux-drivers.org/ |
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| 22:03.33 | Iridos | or look up the pciid and we can ask judd |
| 22:03.42 | ompaul | KettleCooked: lspci tends to tell things about the hardware the manafacturer might consider not brand information, such as the what it really is |
| 22:03.50 | Iridos | dpkg, pciid |
| 22:03.50 | dpkg | The PCI ID helps us work out how to support your PCI hardware. It looks like [abcd:1234] in the output of "lspci -nn". Ask the bot "judd" to match the PCI ID of the device, e.g. "/msg judd pciid 8086:284b". Some hardware uses alternate means of detection: beware of some false positives+negatives. See also <judd-hardware>, <local pciid>. To find out what currently installed kernel modules your hardware is using, run "lspci -k". |
| 22:04.00 | sveva65 | jhutchins_lt: Could this be the factoid reference? http://tldp.org/HOWTO/NET3-4-HOWTO.html |
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| 22:04.07 | NikLP | I assume I'm correct in saying if I checked SQL server in "install" that's where postgresql came from and if so I'm safe to uninstall it as I wish? (aptitude uninstall postgresql-xxx?) |
| 22:04.37 | ompaul | NikLP: I don't know that it nominates postgresql and yes is the answer to whatever it installed |
| 22:04.52 | ompaul | NikLP: most likely you won't need the -xxx |
| 22:04.57 | ompaul | but it will work |
| 22:05.06 | NikLP | ok wondered if it needed the v numbers or whatever |
| 22:05.09 | NikLP | cool |
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| 22:06.08 | KettleCooked | should I install software called pciid? lspci shows me this: 05:00.0 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies Inc. ICE1712 [Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller (rev 02) |
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| 22:06.44 | Justin | KettleCooked: what are you trying to accomplish |
| 22:06.47 | valdyn | KettleCooked: what is "pciid" supposed to do? |
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| 22:07.13 | KettleCooked | Justin, valdyn, it was for the tips above from Iridos and dpkg bot |
| 22:07.22 | KettleCooked | I'm trying to install the audio card correctly |
| 22:07.42 | KettleCooked | and later play/record audio thru /dev/dsp, but I have no /dev/dsp so I assume card is not installed |
| 22:08.33 | Iridos | KettleCooked, read factoid... it's lspci -nn and looks like [abcd:1234] |
| 22:08.45 | valdyn | KettleCooked: that assumption may be right, but its not related to not having a card installed |
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| 22:09.08 | valdyn | KettleCooked: err,ignore that: its not related to not having /dev/dsp |
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| 22:09.17 | valdyn | KettleCooked: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 22:09.18 | jhutchins_lt | sveva65: Dunno, was hoping for someone more familiar with the bot than me |
| 22:10.34 | KettleCooked | valdyn: it shows up when catting that, 0 [M2496 ]: ICE1712 - M Audio Audiophile 24/96 | M Audio Audiophile 24/96 at 0xd040, irq 20 |
| 22:10.49 | jhutchins_lt | sveva65: This is a bit too deep for most people: http://www.aboutdebian.com/network.htm |
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| 22:11.20 | Iridos | ah, all right... then it should be recognized |
| 22:11.21 | valdyn | KettleCooked: so whats your actual problem again? |
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| 22:12.09 | KettleCooked | valdyn: I'm taking it one step at a time basically. had to learn/see/understand that card is properly recognized. I will use ffmpeg, and to record audio from /dev/dsp, that's what I know so far. But I have no /dev/dsp |
| 22:12.17 | jhutchins_lt | sveva65: We should probably update the factoid to reference this: http://www.aboutdebian.com/network.htm or this: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/254 |
| 22:12.27 | valdyn | KettleCooked: why do you even want to use /dev/dsp ? |
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| 22:13.05 | KettleCooked | valdyn: that's the only way I know, do you think there can be a better way? I will be trying to build a system where I 'order' batches of playing/recording/saving audio from a web interface |
| 22:13.19 | valdyn | KettleCooked: just run arecord to record |
| 22:13.20 | KettleCooked | after some research, I've figured ffmpeg could be the way |
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| 22:14.13 | KettleCooked | Unable to locate package arecord, also no command like that |
| 22:14.30 | valdyn | KettleCooked: aptitude install linux-sound-base and pick alsa when prompted |
| 22:14.50 | valdyn | KettleCooked: arecord is in the alsa-utils package |
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| 22:15.50 | KettleCooked | ok cool installing right now. is there a way to search for commands in packages, like arecord? How could I search for it on my own? I tried aptitude search arecord |
| 22:16.04 | valdyn | !tell KettleCooked -about search |
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| 22:17.21 | jasonlfunk | Are there any guidelines for making a debian package as to where binaries/libraries/etc should be installed? |
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| 22:17.24 | KettleCooked | cool! aptitude search arecord didn't net any results but apt-cache search did! |
| 22:17.31 | sveva65 | jhutchins_lt: In this case "most people" includes me :) The second article you refer to seems more accessible to people at my skill level. |
| 22:17.48 | KettleCooked | valdyn: after installing the linux-sound-base, there was never any prompt for alsa/similar, could that be problematic? |
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| 22:17.58 | karlpinc_ | KettleCooked: You probably want apt-file. YMMV. |
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| 22:19.08 | petn-randall | Hi everyone, is there a way to install build-deps referenced in a debian/control file? apt-get build-dep takes them from the repository. |
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| 22:20.15 | jhutchins_lt | sveva65: K, listed the second one first then. |
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| 22:21.03 | jhutchins_lt | sveva65: Thanks for the feedback. |
| 22:21.38 | sveva65 | jhutchins_lt: You're welcome :) |
| 22:21.40 | sanduz2 | im trying to get an init script to autostart. i used the comments/headers from the skeleton script, but when i run update-rc.d on it i get errors and the daemon never starts. here are the errors: update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing, insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (2) of script `cherokee-opt' overwrites defaults (2 3 4 5), insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (2) of script `cherokee-opt' overwrites de |
| 22:21.41 | sanduz2 | faults (0 1 6) |
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| 22:22.11 | sanduz2 | theres nothing else for comments except what was at the top of the skeleton file |
| 22:22.18 | jelly-home | sanduz2: a "warning" is less critical than an "error" |
| 22:22.41 | sanduz2 | jelly-home, ive tried so many different things though and the daemon never autostarts :( |
| 22:23.00 | sanduz2 | i dont even know what try anymore |
| 22:23.05 | sanduz2 | to* |
| 22:23.19 | Vasistha | sanduz2: so you actually have start and stop lines for runlevel 2? Maybe you should just go with the defaults for starting/stopping? |
| 22:24.06 | sanduz2 | Vasistha, i run 'update-rc.d cherokee-opt defaults' on the file. but yea the skeleton contains some start and stop lines in the comments if thats what you mean |
| 22:24.19 | Vasistha | sanduz2: also can you make it start via invoke-rc.d cherokee-opt start |
| 22:24.46 | petn-randall | sanduz2: Shouldn't you be using insserv? |
| 22:24.49 | sanduz2 | Vasistha, that didnt seem to do anything. |
| 22:25.29 | sanduz2 | petn-randall, im not sure... |
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| 22:26.45 | Vasistha | sanduz2: that should have started the daemon |
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| 22:27.18 | Vasistha | sanduz2: it might not give you any feedback to indicate as such-- that's up to you. Why don't you pastebin your script and we can take a look at it? |
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| 22:28.07 | sanduz2 | Vasistha, sure. ill do that. can i paste the original cherokee init script instead? instead of cluttering your thoughts with my weird edits and ignorant attempts ^_^ |
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| 22:28.43 | Vasistha | sanduz2: you should probably show us YOUR script because you might have broken it |
| 22:28.52 | Vasistha | sanduz2: or you can do both |
| 22:28.56 | sanduz2 | oh no, it never worked at all, thats why i tried these things... |
| 22:28.59 | sanduz2 | k one sec |
| 22:29.07 | Vasistha | sanduz2: ah okay then do the original and start over :) |
| 22:29.49 | Vasistha | sanduz2: it is in /etc/init.d and it has execute bit set, yes? and it's owned by root and users can't edit it? I'm not sure if invoke-rc.d would complain about that but it doesn't hurt to check |
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| 22:30.36 | KettleCooked | wooho I just recorded my iphones audio. arecord = swell |
| 22:31.56 | sanduz2 | Vasistha, yes. all that is true, and if it matters, the file is actually a link (thats the way the installer set it up) |
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| 22:33.11 | shaullx | can anyone help me solve a problem setting up my vps server? |
| 22:33.17 | shaullx | the gnome and the vnc that is |
| 22:33.27 | Vasistha | !anyone |
| 22:33.28 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 22:33.41 | shaullx | sorry :3 |
| 22:33.51 | shaullx | i'm trying to install gnome and vnc on my VPS running ubuntu 11.04, seems everything is running fine, i'm getting the following message |
| 22:33.56 | shaullx | New 'dunams:1 (root)' desktop is dunams:1 |
| 22:34.01 | shaullx | but i can't connect on my end |
| 22:34.05 | Vasistha | !ubuntu |
| 22:34.06 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 22:34.25 | shaullx | x.x |
| 22:34.43 | rodjek | i just upgraded a host and my software raid device seems to now have a partition table that it didn't before |
| 22:34.49 | rodjek | anyone seen that before? |
| 22:35.01 | mhall119 | shaullx: out of curiousity, what brought you into here instead of an Ubuntu channel? |
| 22:35.02 | Vasistha | shaullx: there's also a channel for vnc that might be helpful |
| 22:35.16 | shaullx | i'm there too |
| 22:35.22 | shaullx | but no one replies for my problem there |
| 22:35.25 | shaullx | :x |
| 22:35.31 | shaullx | thought i should give it a shot here |
| 22:35.43 | Vasistha | yeah some of those channels are kind of dead, sometimes I join mailing lists and get faster replies |
| 22:35.53 | shaullx | lol |
| 22:35.57 | shaullx | well i'll try the vnc channel |
| 22:35.59 | shaullx | thanks |
| 22:36.10 | babilen | shaullx: If all fails: Install Debian and come back |
| 22:36.44 | shaullx | i really don't wanna waste more bandwidth on gnome >.< |
| 22:36.49 | shaullx | already re-downloaded it a few times |
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| 22:37.08 | babilen | shaullx: As you wish -- Good luck. |
| 22:37.41 | shaullx | any idea what the vnc channel is called? |
| 22:37.44 | shaullx | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.48 | sanduz2 | Vasistha, http://pastebin.com/Q4wRd4sR |
| 22:38.06 | Vasistha | shaullx: maybe #realvnc or something, or go to their website and look for their irc chan |
| 22:38.14 | babilen | shaullx: /msg alis list *vnc* -- But really, this is getting way too off-topic for #debian. |
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| 22:38.42 | shaullx | thanks |
| 22:38.48 | satdav | ,,phythan |
| 22:39.00 | Vasistha | sanduz2: does it work if you simply run /opt/cherokee/sbin/cherokee -d |
| 22:39.00 | satdav | what version of phythan does apt-get install |
| 22:39.07 | sanduz2 | yes indeed |
| 22:39.10 | sanduz2 | @ Vasistha |
| 22:39.15 | Vasistha | that's good! :) |
| 22:39.34 | babilen | satdav: 2.6 |
| 22:39.42 | Vasistha | sanduz2: and if you run this script with a start or stop or restart param then it behaves as expected? |
| 22:39.46 | satdav | does it also install supybot |
| 22:39.51 | satdav | as a package |
| 22:39.57 | babilen | satdav: Not by default |
| 22:39.59 | satdav | if so what version |
| 22:40.01 | babilen | ,versions supybot |
| 22:40.04 | judd | Package: supybot on i386 -- lenny: 0.83.3-1; sid: 0.83.4.1.ds-2; squeeze: 0.83.4.1.ds-2; wheezy: 0.83.4.1.ds-2 |
| 22:40.21 | satdav | never hered of wheezy |
| 22:40.29 | satdav | is that the developers build |
| 22:40.37 | Vasistha | wheezy is the new (well not that new) testing |
| 22:40.39 | babilen | satdav: you can also use "apt-cache policy PKG" "apt-cache search QUERY" or http://packages.debian.org to answer these questions (inter alia) |
| 22:40.49 | babilen | !tell satdav -about testing |
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| 22:41.38 | sanduz2 | Vasistha, it behaves weird i think... when i start it, it changes my prompt to just a '#' symbol... and when i control-d out of it, it starts the processes... odd, but it did start the daemon and such... |
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| 22:41.51 | sanduz2 | could be my inexperience but ive never had that occur before |
| 22:41.53 | satdav | why does sudo not come pre installed |
| 22:42.15 | Vasistha | sanduz2: when you start what, how? |
| 22:42.27 | sanduz2 | '/etc/init.d/cherokee-opt start' |
| 22:42.30 | babilen | satdav: Why should it? The root account is not disabled and it is not really needed. You can easily install it though. |
| 22:42.36 | babilen | !tell satdav about sudo |
| 22:42.38 | babilen | !tell satdav about sudoers |
| 22:43.02 | babilen | !tell satdav about sudoers |
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| 22:43.34 | Vasistha | sanduz2: that is strange. it doesn't do that when you just run /opt/cherokee/sbin/cherokee -d |
| 22:43.41 | sanduz2 | nope |
| 22:44.05 | satdav | I got it |
| 22:44.09 | satdav | a couple of times |
| 22:44.18 | satdav | !help |
| 22:44.54 | babilen | satdav: Oh, excuse me. You can also ask the bot yourself with "/msg dpkg TOPIC" (TOPIC/factoids are the "links" in <...>) |
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| 22:46.50 | Vasistha | sanduz2: hmm what if you set the PATH and other variables the same way they are set in the script? |
| 22:47.18 | sanduz2 | Vasistha, one sec |
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| 22:49.06 | Radex | hi, using debian squeeze and when i setup hostname 111.example.com on the server and trying run ping 'adasdads' host sending query to dns server about adasdads.example com subdomain - it's posible to disable it? |
| 22:49.15 | sanduz2 | Vasistha, gah, im so sorry, i made a mistake. '/etc/init.d/cherokee-opt start' works just fine |
| 22:49.29 | Vasistha | sanduz2: okay that's cool, good to know. |
| 22:49.37 | sanduz2 | so we are back to just... the thing not working with update-rc.d or starting on its own with the rc2.d links in place |
| 22:49.54 | sanduz2 | (which the cherokee install script did itself) |
| 22:49.55 | Vasistha | sanduz2: and how about invoke-rc.d cherokee-opt start |
| 22:50.29 | sanduz2 | Vasistha, that does absolutely nothing |
| 22:50.33 | sanduz2 | no out put, no processes |
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| 22:50.57 | Vasistha | sanduz2: oh? hmm that is strange. although I don't actually know that much about how invoke-rc.d works |
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| 22:51.57 | Vasistha | sanduz2: why don't you pastebin ls /etc/rc?.d/*cherokee* |
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| 22:52.09 | sanduz2 | Vasistha, sure one sec |
| 22:52.11 | Vasistha | see what's there ... invoke-rc.d may be responding to that |
| 22:52.48 | sanduz2 | Vasistha, '/etc/rc2.d/K01cherokee-opt' |
| 22:52.51 | sanduz2 | thats the only output |
| 22:53.04 | Vasistha | sanduz2: okay, so K means Kill, or stop |
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| 22:53.26 | sanduz2 | right, i did try running update-rc.d but it never works with this init script |
| 22:53.33 | sanduz2 | thats why i attempted to edit it before |
| 22:53.35 | sanduz2 | =\ |
| 22:53.59 | Vasistha | sanduz2: ah okay. well this init script didn't come with parameters for update-rc.d to use |
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| 22:54.20 | Vasistha | sanduz2: there's two ways to go about it. one is to try to insert those update-rc.d comments. |
| 22:54.43 | Vasistha | sanduz2: the other is to just manually symlink it in the different rc.d directories, however you want it. that's what I usually do :P |
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| 22:55.00 | Vasistha | sanduz2: do you understand the naming of the links in the rc?.d directories? |
| 22:55.07 | sanduz2 | Vasistha, yes |
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| 22:55.44 | sanduz2 | Vasistha, if i choose the first option, what do i try? i tried adding the comments from 'skeleton' init script, but it didnt work (although the errors went away) |
| 22:56.11 | Vasistha | sanduz2: ah okay so you want to do that, that's cool. well then go ahead and pastebin what you've got and let's troubleshoot that |
| 22:56.14 | sanduz2 | the errors from update-rc.d, that is (it still gave me some warnings) |
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| 22:56.24 | sanduz2 | k |
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| 22:56.47 | jhutchins_lt | sanduz2: have you tried rcconf? |
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| 22:57.53 | sanduz2 | jhutchins_lt, never even heard of it to be honest... its nowhere on my system either |
| 22:57.58 | sanduz2 | that i know of |
| 22:58.00 | smax | How do I copy gnome settings from one debian machine to an other? Apparently copying .gnome2 is not sufficient. And yes I rebooted. |
| 22:58.04 | sanduz2 | ls |
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| 22:59.20 | Vasistha | smax: you might also want .gnome2_private and .gtk-something-or-other .gtkrc-2.0 ... maybe .gconf, .config, dunno |
| 22:59.32 | Vasistha | smax: #gnome on irc.gnome.org would know best |
| 22:59.44 | Justin | .gconf would be the big one |
| 22:59.59 | smax | thanks I'll try those. |
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| 23:03.04 | sanduz2 | Vasistha, so here is the new init script with the skeleton comments added to the top of the file: http://pastebin.com/W84RM6FL |
| 23:03.24 | jhutchins_lt | !search |
| 23:03.24 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <axi-search> <debtags>. |
| 23:03.48 | sanduz2 | Vasistha, the output when i use invoke-rc.d on it is: syntax error: missing required parameter |
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| 23:04.04 | sanduz2 | (nice, more informative than update-rc.d) |
| 23:04.36 | garo | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en doesn't mention NFS, so how does it get all other installation files ? |
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| 23:11.40 | jhutchins_lt | garo: It can use NFS, FTP, or HTTP to get them. |
| 23:12.08 | jhutchins_lt | Setting up an NFS, FTP, or HTTP server is not within the scope of the Install Guide. |
| 23:12.53 | Vasistha | sanduz2: sorry was afk for a bit, back now, checking out your paste |
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| 23:14.01 | Vasistha | sanduz2: so you need to chenge some of that init info, like Provides:. Your script does not provide skeleton, it provides cherokee-something-or-other |
| 23:14.46 | Vasistha | sanduz2: do you know what the required modules are for starting? I would expect $local_fs is required. Does it need the network to be on? |
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| 23:16.40 | Vasistha | garo: the netinst cd? it doesn't use nfs, it uses the internet |
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| 23:17.13 | abrotman | i think it can use nfs ... |
| 23:17.20 | Vasistha | my mistake :) |
| 23:17.23 | jhutchins_lt | Vasistha: C'mon, the link he posted is netboot. |
| 23:17.36 | Vasistha | I should have looked at it :-/ |
| 23:17.49 | Vasistha | puts his head down in shame |
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| 23:19.04 | sanduz2 | Vasistha, for provides i just put 'cherokee' would that be ok? it still gave me the same error after that. i have no clue about the required modules, i dont even know what $local_fs is... |
| 23:19.50 | Vasistha | sanduz2: that means local filesystem, as in, you need your root and other mounts to be mounted |
| 23:20.03 | Vasistha | sanduz2: and I don't think you actually want $remote_fs |
| 23:20.54 | sanduz2 | Vasistha, ok i changed $remote_fs to $local_fs. same error though with invoke-rc.d |
| 23:21.07 | Vasistha | sanduz2: I also notice that it explicitly notes "do not use set -e" and yet your script has set -e in it |
| 23:22.00 | sanduz2 | i did replace that line with the skeleton equivalent, which merely reads #! /bin/sh |
| 23:22.18 | sanduz2 | @ Vasistha |
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| 23:22.58 | aufhebung | hi |
| 23:23.28 | Vasistha | sanduz2: umm... are we looking at the same thing? I am looking at your paste, and I see "set -e" after the PIDFILE= line |
| 23:23.33 | aufhebung | anybody knwos if debian lenny runs perfect in a dell laptop xps 14z? |
| 23:23.48 | Vasistha | !tell aufhebung about laptop |
| 23:23.50 | abrotman | why would you use lenny? |
| 23:23.59 | aufhebung | i mean, squeeze |
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| 23:24.28 | abrotman | try it and see .. you didn't give us any other details |
| 23:24.31 | sanduz2 | Vasistha, oh i didnt know that was part of it. i thought it would just be the '#! /bin/sh -e' at the top. ill remove that and try again |
| 23:24.42 | aufhebung | i'm thinking to buy a dell laptop |
| 23:24.45 | Vasistha | sanduz2: don't use -e anywhere |
| 23:24.58 | aufhebung | but i'm unsure if debian will run ok |
| 23:25.04 | Vasistha | sanduz2: sh -e is not the same as set -e |
| 23:25.19 | Vasistha | aufhebung: did you get the dpkg /msg ? |
| 23:25.21 | sanduz2 | Vasistha, hm ok. theres only one more -e in the file after that, its 'if [ -e $PIDFILE ] ; then' |
| 23:25.30 | Vasistha | sanduz2: heh that's okay :) |
| 23:25.58 | sanduz2 | Vasistha, hehe, okay. got the same error though =[ |
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| 23:26.31 | aufhebung | Vasistha, yes, thank you, but i dont found the xps 14z |
| 23:26.59 | Vasistha | aufhebung: in that case the answer I'm confident in is "I don't know" |
| 23:27.05 | Vasistha | aufhebung: but there are other resources |
| 23:27.15 | Vasistha | aufhebung: linuxlaptops.net I think is one, and there are others |
| 23:27.28 | aufhebung | i was searching in google, but i didnt found nothing |
| 23:27.37 | Vasistha | sanduz2: hmm. Maybe you need to specify the description and/or short-description |
| 23:27.59 | pumafyre | aufhebung: is it an intel or ppc? |
| 23:28.32 | Vasistha | sanduz2: another thing you can do is bring up a different init.d script that works and compare |
| 23:28.36 | aufhebung | but, for example, how it works the intel Intel® Core I5-2430M processor over linux? |
| 23:28.39 | aufhebung | intel |
| 23:28.47 | jhutchins_lt | aufhebung: Dell isn't the most consistent about their hardware, but look for other people running linux on the models you like, or look for ones Dell supplies with Linux or with no OS. |
| 23:28.51 | pumafyre | window 8 |
| 23:29.04 | abrotman | wtf |
| 23:29.19 | jhutchins_lt | aufhebung: Processors aren't going to be a problem, they're standard. |
| 23:29.41 | jhutchins_lt | aufhebung: things to worry about are I/O controller chipsets, video chipsets, and network hardware/ |
| 23:30.03 | pumafyre | aufhebung: I run debian linux on three different Intel Dell laptops at home and it works great |
| 23:30.04 | aufhebung | yes, i mean, what about the support in debian the applications over this processor |
| 23:30.05 | sanduz2 | Vasistha, not getting errors with 'invoke-rc.d cherokee-opt start', but it doesnt start the daemon... |
| 23:30.20 | jhutchins_lt | aufhebung: Meaningless question. |
| 23:30.36 | Vasistha | aufhebung: that's not gonna be a problem. the likely problems are as enumerated by jhutchins_lt |
| 23:30.38 | jhutchins_lt | aufhebung: Processor support is in the kernel and in the standardized instruction set of the processor. |
| 23:30.51 | jhutchins_lt | aufhebung: Processor models do not affect applications. |
| 23:31.04 | Vasistha | sanduz2: hmm. well maybe you can try running update-rc.d on it now |
| 23:31.05 | aufhebung | ohh, :) |
| 23:31.49 | jhutchins_lt | aufhebung: The kernel is the software layer between the processor and the OS, applications run on the OS. |
| 23:31.54 | pumafyre | how do I stop x ? can I shut off my gui and just use my tty's? |
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| 23:32.19 | jhutchins_lt | pumafyre: On most systems you stop the ?dm (gdm|kdm |
| 23:32.21 | sanduz2 | Vasistha, same errors ;_; sigh |
| 23:32.27 | Vasistha | pumafyre: sure, you can log out of x, or to force it ctrl-alt-backspace, or you can leave x running and just hit ctrl-alt-f6 |
| 23:32.37 | sanduz2 | Vasistha, well, warnings, not erros |
| 23:32.46 | aufhebung | thanks a lot jhutchins_lt , i'm watching what model i should buy |
| 23:32.53 | sanduz2 | Vasistha, wouldnt running invoke-rc.d actually start the processes? or does it just test for errors? |
| 23:32.53 | jhutchins_lt | pumafyre: You can also just switch to a console with ctrl-alt-F[1-6] |
| 23:34.06 | Vasistha | sanduz2: it should start the process, but I don't actually know what invoke-rc.d checks, it may check the existence of the symlink in /etc/rc2.d or something |
| 23:34.07 | pumafyre | thank you Vasistha and jhutchins_lt |
| 23:34.24 | pumafyre | jhutchins_lt: how do I stop gdm3? |
| 23:34.34 | sanduz2 | Vasistha, hm i see. well ill just try experimenting and stuff i guess then -_-. thanks for all the help! |
| 23:34.34 | Vasistha | pumafyre: invoke-rc.d gdm stop |
| 23:34.41 | Vasistha | pumafyre: or maybe gdm3 |
| 23:34.43 | pumafyre | Vasistha: thank you |
| 23:35.09 | sanduz2 | Vasistha, its so weird though because i actually get output from invoke-rc.d with the "stop" and "status" parameters |
| 23:35.17 | sanduz2 | but absolutely nothing with the "start" parameter |
| 23:35.30 | Vasistha | sanduz2: sure, sorry it's not working. |
| 23:35.33 | sanduz2 | but the start section of the script looks just fine... its only like 3 lines long... how is this possible |
| 23:35.58 | Vasistha | sanduz2: another debugging method is to put echo lines in your script |
| 23:36.25 | aufhebung | so, for the intel i5 processor what debian architecture i should download? |
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| 23:37.14 | Vasistha | sanduz2: then when it's running you can see the path it takes |
| 23:37.30 | sanduz2 | Vasistha, thanks ill try that |
| 23:37.30 | Vasistha | sanduz2: there's also a shell option to show lines as it executes them, lemme look it up (help set) |
| 23:37.39 | sanduz2 | ah that would be wonderful |
| 23:37.57 | Vasistha | sanduz2: set -v # Print shell input lines as they are read. |
| 23:38.21 | Vasistha | sanduz2: or better yet -x |
| 23:38.30 | sanduz2 | Vasistha, ah, awesome. thank you, ill try that |
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| 23:39.44 | sivsivrais221 | i upgraded to testing but one thing wrong auto detect for external does not work, what packages auto detects external drives |
| 23:40.07 | pumafyre | Vasistha: , jhutchins_lt well I killed it, but it screwed up my font in my tty's too :) oh well |
| 23:40.28 | pumafyre | Vasistha: is there a way to boot up into text mode instead of defaulting into gdm3? |
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| 23:40.41 | pumafyre | Vasistha: I'm fine with typing startx :) |
| 23:40.50 | nkuttler | !tell pumafyre about nodm |
| 23:40.59 | pumafyre | thank you nkuttler ! |
| 23:41.20 | somiaj | pumafyre: /msg dpkg nodm -- you want to midify the file in /etc/X11 |
| 23:41.21 | Vasistha | pumafyre: if your font gets screwed up you can do "reset" in your terminal |
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| 23:42.17 | pumafyre | Vasistha: thank you |
| 23:42.35 | pumafyre | somiaj: modify it how? |
| 23:42.43 | petn-randall | sivsivrais221: There are several programs that do this, it probably depends on what GUI you're using |
| 23:42.49 | somiaj | pumafyre: read that factoid, tells you what to do |
| 23:43.41 | pumafyre | somiaj: put nodm there instead of gdm3? |
| 23:43.55 | somiaj | pumafyre: did you read that factoid? |
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| 23:44.08 | chalcedony | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:44.33 | somiaj | chalcedony: you don't want to copy over binaries. Install the corresponding packages from debian |
| 23:44.41 | pumafyre | somiaj: I did |
| 23:45.39 | somiaj | chalcedony: and then copy over the config files/rc files from your old $HOME directory if you don't want to reconfigure everything. |
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| 23:46.23 | sivsivrais221 | petn-randall i use gnome |
| 23:46.36 | pumafyre | chalcedony: be careful with that, I did that once but used different user names and all my files that I copied over were read only |
| 23:46.51 | pumafyre | brb |
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| 23:47.16 | chalcedony | somiaj, yes, i don't. there are things in my xchat that are legacy from older versions that i want to remain functional |
| 23:47.37 | sivsivrais221 | this is error i am getting when i try to force mount it http://paste.pocoo.org/show/516855/ |
| 23:47.44 | somiaj | chalcedony: well I don't know about xchat, so you'll have to track down what you want. |
| 23:47.59 | abrotman | sivsivrais221: aptitude install gnome .. then restart the system and try again |
| 23:48.08 | jhutchins_lt | sivsivrais221: What does dmesg show when it's connected/ |
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| 23:48.34 | chalcedony | somiaj, thank you |
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| 23:49.03 | jhutchins_lt | chalcedony: You shouldn't try to copy programs over from another distribution What are you trying to copy? |
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| 23:49.12 | jhutchins_lt | chalcedony: Are you trying to copy settings for programs? |
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| 23:50.09 | sivsivrais221 | jhutchins, http://paste.pocoo.org/show/516857/ |
| 23:50.19 | chalcedony | jhutchins, i'm new to this, ive been using ubuntu |
| 23:50.34 | chalcedony | i want to end up with xchat and znc working |
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| 23:53.49 | sanduz2 | Vasistha, i think i found something important. i put "echo 'whatever'" throughout the init script. when i do 'invoke-rc.d cherokee-opt status' or 'stop', it works fine and all the comments show. but when i use the 'start' parameter, not a single echo shows, meaning the file isnt being read at all. how can this be? |
| 23:55.03 | Vasistha | sanduz2: my suspicion is that invoke-rc.d is looking for the script in /etc/rc2.d (or your current runlevel) and since it is not found there it is not being run. I could be wrong, I dunno. |
| 23:55.06 | jhutchins_lt | chalcedony: It's probably not a good idea to blanket install everything that Ubuntu had on it. Debian defaults to some different packages for good reson, so see what it suggests and try it. |
| 23:55.20 | jhutchins_lt | chalcedony: That said, if you know you want xchat, aptitude install xchat |
| 23:55.26 | pumafyre | chalcedony: I think you want .xchat2 from your home directory |
| 23:55.50 | pumafyre | chalcedony: if you want your old configuration |
| 23:55.59 | sanduz2 | Vasistha, hm, thank you ill keep that in mind |
| 23:56.09 | chalcedony | pumafyre, yes .xchat2 is correct \ |
| 23:56.15 | chalcedony | er no \ |
| 23:57.52 | abrotman | \ |
| 23:57.55 | jhutchins_lt | sivsivrais221: Does fdisk -l show it? |
| 23:58.52 | abrotman | as root ... |
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| 23:59.14 | belak | I'm trying to roll my own package...how can I change the version revision number so it isn't "upgraded" by aptitude |
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| 23:59.24 | pumafyre | chalcedony: I just migrated from ubuntu to debian on this box 4 days ago |