| 00:00.21 | chalcedony | cool pumafyre |
| 00:00.25 | abrotman | belak: add a +local at the end or something .. |
| 00:00.30 | sivsivrais221 | jhutchins_lt, http://paste.pocoo.org/show/516860/ |
| 00:00.32 | abrotman | dpkg: version compare |
| 00:00.33 | dpkg | The canonical way to test whether one version string is considered greater than another is by testing an assertion such as: dpkg --compare-versions 1.1 gt 1.1~rc1 && echo true. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields#s-f-Version , <version epoch>, <debian revision>. |
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| 00:00.39 | abrotman | belak: ^^ |
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| 00:02.24 | belak | abrotman: so Version: packageversion-revid can go anywhere in the control file? |
| 00:03.16 | abrotman | try it and see .. |
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| 00:06.00 | belak | abrotman: dpkg-source: warning: unknown information field 'Version' in input data in general section of control info file |
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| 00:09.42 | gnarface | can someone remind me how to ping an ipv6 address? |
| 00:10.04 | Dagger3 | `ping6 <addr>` |
| 00:10.10 | gnarface | hmm. unknown host |
| 00:10.35 | Dagger3 | you may need `-I eth0` or to append "%eth0" to the address if pinging a link-local |
| 00:10.57 | gnarface | by link local does that mean a local ethernet device? |
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| 00:11.46 | Dagger3 | it means something with Scope:Link in ifconfig... basically anything beginning with fe80:: |
| 00:12.31 | gnarface | Dagger3: no, -I and % have no effect. i can ping6 ::1 and it works as expected, but it it returns 'unknown host' for what ifconfig claims to be the ipv6 address on eth0 |
| 00:12.44 | gnarface | Dagger3: eth0 also has an ipv4 address though, which IS pingable |
| 00:13.01 | gnarface | Dagger3: would my gateway have to support ipv6 for that to work? |
| 00:13.15 | Dagger3 | if it's giving "unknown host", then it's trying to look the address up in DNS and failing -- meaning it's not in the right format for a v6 literal address |
| 00:13.37 | Dagger3 | at a guess, are you including the /64 at the end? |
| 00:13.47 | gnarface | Dagger3: i tried it with and without. neither work. |
| 00:14.27 | gnarface | Dagger3: ah, but i didn't try it without AND set the ethernet link manually, then it works |
| 00:14.45 | Dagger3 | (it should be without, since that's the netmask, and not part of the address) |
| 00:14.52 | gnarface | Dagger3: thanks. do you happen to know if that's the same format i'd enter it into an acl in bind with? |
| 00:15.15 | gnarface | Dagger3: the bind manual's examples don't mention ethernet device specification :( |
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| 00:17.43 | Dagger3 | pass; I haven't used link-local addresses for DNS |
| 00:18.12 | abrotman | belak: get it? |
| 00:19.14 | belak | abrotman: no |
| 00:19.42 | belak | The stuff I can find say Version is required in the control file. It's not in there at all right now |
| 00:20.19 | Dagger3 | seems to work work fine with just "fe80::/7" in the ACL (which I guess makes sense) |
| 00:21.08 | belak | abrotman: looks like debian/package-name/DEBIAN/control might change things though |
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| 00:30.40 | gnarface | hmm. bind9 appears to require the %eth0 in if you use one on the listen-on-v6 acl |
| 00:30.55 | gnarface | er, not acl... address-match-list (to use proper terminology) |
| 00:31.43 | enkidu | anyone here having single core load on 3.1.0 kernel? |
| 00:31.51 | Ziber | Thats only for local addresses, right? I use a public v6 address, without %eth0, and it works just fine. |
| 00:33.12 | gnarface | i don't know actually even how to verify that |
| 00:33.28 | gnarface | it was listening on all by default |
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| 00:34.06 | gnarface | so i added them with the %ethN suffix and it only listens on the ones i want now |
| 00:34.43 | gnarface | according to the documentation it includes only "link-local" addresses, but i was under the impression that would mean your public ip too |
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| 00:40.44 | Dagger3 | it doesn't... "link-local" addresses are those that ifconfig lists with Scope:Link, and they're only accessible from directly on your local network, since they can't be routed |
| 00:41.11 | Dagger3 | public IPs will be Scope:Global, and don't need the %ethN |
| 00:41.21 | bitcycle | Hey all. Does anyone know how to update the version of a debian package using a command like "dch -v --message='some changelog message'", without using the interactive mode? |
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| 00:44.29 | gnarface | Dagger3: doesn't hurt anything to specify it anyway though?) |
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| 00:47.00 | Dagger3 | ping6 breaks if you do for anything that's not link-local (but I'm not sure how bind will behave) |
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| 00:52.27 | grid_bug | how would I manipulate the initscripts to run one of my own on runlevel 3? |
| 00:52.39 | abrotman | update-rc.d |
| 00:52.44 | abrotman | and why 3 ? |
| 00:52.54 | grid_bug | abrotman: so as to not be 5 |
| 00:53.06 | grid_bug | abrotman: kinda arbitrary |
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| 00:53.28 | mmnicolas | grid_bug: why ? |
| 00:53.31 | abrotman | what does 5 have to do with it ? |
| 00:53.34 | sivsivrais221 | jhutchins_lt, find anything |
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| 00:54.10 | abrotman | grid_bug: is it going to hurt your brain if i tell you the default run level in Debian is 2 and by default 2-5 are the same ? |
| 00:54.20 | grid_bug | abrotman: a bit |
| 00:54.31 | grid_bug | abrotman: I'm an archlinux native |
| 00:54.48 | grid_bug | abrotman: using debian for a server/standalone app |
| 00:55.21 | grid_bug | but thanks. investigating manpage now |
| 00:55.26 | abrotman | grid_bug: are you more or less confused ? |
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| 00:57.32 | grid_bug | abrotman: about the same, but getting better |
| 00:58.40 | abrotman | so that'd be .. less? :) |
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| 01:00.49 | grid_bug | abrotman: lol |
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| 01:06.47 | nevyn | grid_bug: if you don't want a displaymanager to start. don't install it or configure it not to |
| 01:07.08 | nevyn | grid_bug: runlevels on debian do not influence this configuration. |
| 01:07.20 | nevyn | tho perhaps they should because it seems to confuse a LOT of people |
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| 01:10.55 | aufhebung | hi, a little question, there is any live usb with debian that allow me to test a laptop to buy? |
| 01:11.10 | aufhebung | to try if everything will goes ok |
| 01:11.46 | somiaj | aufhebung: look for debian live |
| 01:11.55 | aufhebung | yes |
| 01:12.00 | aufhebung | it will works? |
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| 01:12.10 | somiaj | aufhebung: live.debian.net -- you can get live usb with various desktop enviorments on them. |
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| 01:12.43 | aufhebung | ok, thanks |
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| 01:13.28 | aufhebung | for intel i5 processos i have to download debian i386 architecture? |
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| 01:13.40 | babilen | aufhebung: Note that you might need firmware |
| 01:14.13 | somiaj | aufhebung: i386 is 32bit, amd64 is 64bit. |
| 01:15.00 | aufhebung | yes, but, for an intel i5 processor? i3 or i5 for example'p |
| 01:15.05 | aufhebung | ? |
| 01:16.35 | aufhebung | i have to download amd64 architecture? |
| 01:16.42 | babilen | aufhebung: I would use amd64, install firmware packages and a backported kernel (/msg dpkg bdo kernel) -- See also the persistence chapter in the live manual. |
| 01:17.05 | somiaj | aufhebung: amd64 is just the code name for x86_64 instructions. Most intel and amd 64 bit processors use that. |
| 01:17.25 | aufhebung | and how it works the drivers over amd64 architecture with i5 intel processors? |
| 01:18.03 | somiaj | amd64 does not mean only amd processors. |
| 01:18.15 | babilen | !tell aufhebung -about why amd64 |
| 01:18.41 | babilen | ... same as i386 means intel only |
| 01:18.47 | babilen | *does not :( |
| 01:18.58 | aufhebung | oh, i understand |
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| 01:20.27 | aufhebung | i'm looking for a laptop and i wnat to use debian |
| 01:21.13 | aufhebung | si i have the idea to go to the shop and try with and live-usb which of the laptops runs ok with debian |
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| 01:22.07 | TechDesk | http://www.my-funspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/only_in_asia_37-600x450.jpg |
| 01:22.32 | somiaj | then pay attention to babilen commment about firmware. You can install it into the live system once its running, but it may not be there by default as debian puts it in the non-free repo. |
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| 01:22.38 | somiaj | aufhebung: ^^ |
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| 01:23.56 | aufhebung | i dont understand at all that of the firmware |
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| 01:28.43 | somiaj | aufhebung: paticular modules require non-free firmware to function (wifi cards are a prime example of this). So you just because something doesn't work by default on the live system, it could mean it is just missing the firmware package from non-free. |
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| 01:32.16 | GordonFreeman | MPlayer interrupted by signal 2 in module: unknown |
| 01:32.18 | GordonFreeman | lold |
| 01:32.27 | yagoo | aufhebung, amd64 is "x86_64" it's not meant to only work on "amd64 processors" |
| 01:32.32 | yagoo | ^^^^^^^^^ |
| 01:32.34 | yagoo | !amd64 |
| 01:32.34 | dpkg | amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running Debian i386 with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. Intel Core 2, Core i3/i5/i7 and Xeon (since 2004) systems are x86-64. http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ #debian-amd64 on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>. |
| 01:32.51 | yagoo | aufhebung, it's because amd was the first to come out with 64-bit for pc's.. so the name stuck.. |
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| 01:37.45 | jimcooncat | how do I shout out to another cli user on a server? |
| 01:37.53 | yagoo | jimcooncat |
| 01:38.00 | yagoo | coooooooooooooooon!!!! |
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| 01:38.14 | jimcooncat | Yagoo, ty very much |
| 01:38.47 | yagoo | jimcooncat, talk/wall/"mesg y" |
| 01:39.06 | yagoo | jimcooncat, both of you have to type "mesg y" (or set that in your bash login script) |
| 01:39.07 | jimcooncat | yagoo, thank you, I remember wall now |
| 01:39.27 | yagoo | jimcooncat, wall is broadcast to all users.. talk is to one other |
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| 01:40.13 | jimcooncat | just us on the machine |
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| 01:45.11 | spacedust | is there a list of debian packages ? |
| 01:45.36 | yagoo | spacedust, wiki dpkg |
| 01:46.01 | technologov_ | spacedust, Debian-6 list: http://packages.debian.org/stable/allpackages?format=txt.gz |
| 01:46.29 | jordanm | could also just do apt-cache search '.*' |
| 01:46.38 | spacedust | technologov_: thamks |
| 01:47.13 | technologov_ | Hardware Q: which WiFi vendors are recommended by Debian ? |
| 01:47.34 | technologov_ | I know this is a real issue now, since Debian doesnt ship firmware for WiFi. |
| 01:47.50 | jordanm | atheros is pretty much the only one that doesn't require non-free firmware. intel is good too though, but requires non-free |
| 01:48.03 | spacedust | exim4 (4.72-6+squeeze2) is this patched ? |
| 01:48.49 | yagoo | spacedust, learn dpkg first.. |
| 01:49.14 | spacedust | yagoo: i dont even have dpkg :) |
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| 01:49.23 | yagoo | spacedust, then go to your #distro |
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| 01:49.50 | technologov_ | jordanm, thx |
| 01:50.08 | dname | Hi. How to create a bootable USB flash drive in Debian? I downloaded unetbootin and I do not know how to run / install. Help =) |
| 01:50.10 | spacedust | thanks for the direction pointin yagoo but im not very temped by your directions |
| 01:50.28 | yagoo | laughs at spacedust asking if there are packages on debian.. and knows nothing about dpkg |
| 01:50.29 | jordanm | !tell dname about dname |
| 01:50.40 | dvs | dname: cat debian.iso > /dev/sdZ |
| 01:50.48 | jordanm | err |
| 01:50.53 | jordanm | !tell dname about usb install |
| 01:51.16 | spacedust | yagoo: omfg i know about dpkg just odnt wanted to install debian nor dpkg just to search trough packages .... |
| 01:51.34 | spacedust | !tell yagoo about dpkg |
| 01:51.44 | babilen | spacedust: http://packages.debian.org |
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| 01:53.01 | spacedust | babilen: yes i already found them thanks to technologov_ |
| 01:53.43 | dname | You can simply copy the contents of a USB flash drive ISO image? I do not see where the files to start the installation |
| 01:54.55 | babilen | dname: What? Could you paraphrase that question? |
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| 01:55.33 | babilen | dname: You essentially download one of Debian's hybrid images and write them to a usb stick (if that is what you were asking about) |
| 01:55.42 | yagoo | dname, cat debian.iso > /dev/<YOURUSBDEVICE> .. wipes out the entire usb device.. it's not about copying files to the usb device.. it copies something binary to the entire usb device |
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| 01:57.26 | dvs | dname: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-isohybrid |
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| 02:05.36 | cobra-the-joker | There is sometimes dependencies for some packages that dont get removed when i remove the primary package ... is there is anyway to remove them ? |
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| 02:07.58 | babilen | cobra-the-joker: aptitude removes the automagically (by default), "apt-get --purge autoremove" for apt-get |
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| 02:08.21 | cobra-the-joker | babilen, ok |
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| 02:08.59 | babilen | cobra-the-joker: You don't have to --purge them if you don't want to. Also read "man aptitude" and "man apt-get" |
| 02:09.12 | cobra-the-joker | hmmm |
| 02:09.16 | cobra-the-joker | babilen, ok will read some |
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| 02:14.53 | wallee | hi all |
| 02:15.11 | wallee | congratulation me ! i have configure network right |
| 02:15.37 | wallee | but i have a program, why i can visit website, but can not apt-get update? |
| 02:15.40 | wallee | why? |
| 02:15.44 | wallee | proxy? |
| 02:15.49 | wallee | anyone can help me? |
| 02:16.17 | dvs | wallee: nameserver? |
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| 02:16.26 | wallee | dvs: nameserver is right |
| 02:16.35 | wallee | dvs: i can open url in webbrowser |
| 02:16.45 | wallee | dvs: may be apt-get need proxy? |
| 02:16.54 | wallee | dvs: i use proxy |
| 02:17.06 | wallee | dvs: in webbroser |
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| 02:17.58 | dvs | wallee: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list on pastebin |
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| 02:18.25 | wallee | dvs: it's right, no problem. let me try other repo |
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| 02:19.37 | quietone | can anyone point me to directions on how to get s-video output to TV working on a Dell 1525 laptop? |
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| 02:22.25 | wallee | dvs: ok, other repo work |
| 02:22.28 | wallee | dvs: tks |
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| 02:24.20 | dvs | np |
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| 02:36.07 | josh9 | can i use this link to configure my logitech trackman? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Logitech_Marblemouse_USB |
| 02:36.55 | josh9 | i use squeeze, btw |
| 02:37.43 | babilen | josh9: Quite likely, yes, but there might be differences. (packages, ...) |
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| 02:39.32 | josh9 | babilen: is squeeze using hal? |
| 02:39.51 | yagoo | josh9, dbus |
| 02:39.54 | riex | Hello, somebody here knows a lot of rsync? |
| 02:40.02 | yagoo | josh9, all modern linux distros use dbus.. |
| 02:40.03 | riex | I need a little hand :p |
| 02:40.51 | babilen | josh9: Follow the instructions at the top (the 50-marblemouse.conf thingies) |
| 02:41.16 | riex | Do somebody know how to start the rsync daemon service what commando do i have to use? |
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| 02:41.40 | josh9 | babilen: got it. so i'll create 50-marblemouse.conf inside /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d |
| 02:41.57 | babilen | josh9: Oh, do they recommend *that*? |
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| 02:42.25 | josh9 | babilen: they say: Locate the existing xorg.conf.d directory, Edit 50-marblemouse.conf in that directory |
| 02:42.31 | babilen | josh9: No, you create /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and put it in there |
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| 02:43.04 | babilen | josh9: /usr/ (not /usr/local) is not to be touched by you |
| 02:43.05 | josh9 | babilen: locate xorg.conf.d | grep d$ shows me 2 folders with this name |
| 02:43.12 | dvs | thinks debian went dir.d crazy |
| 02:43.26 | babilen | josh9: Disregard that, use /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
| 02:44.04 | babilen | dvs: It is *very* convenient. |
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| 02:46.16 | josh9 | babilen: i already have a file inside this folder - 20-thinkpad.conf - http://pastebin.com/aYWqZLFm i should just ignore it and create the file they want me to, right? |
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| 02:48.19 | babilen | josh9: The idea of all the .d directories is to be able to split the configuration into semantically distinct parts. A common approach for xorg.conf.d is to create one file for each device that needs configuration. So yeah, ignore the 20-thinkpad.conf (or study it in detail, but do not change it) |
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| 02:48.40 | josh9 | babilen: nice. thanks |
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| 02:51.14 | riex | Somebody who know what i have to do, for getting rsync started up at every boot, should i use rc.local or something better idea? please :) |
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| 02:53.14 | sivsivrais221 | automount fails to work in debian wheezy, i tried a number of things but still no luck, its a pia to manual mount drives any suggestions |
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| 02:54.07 | abrotman | did you try pmount? |
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| 02:55.46 | sivsivrais221 | abortman i did it was giving me blank folders, it would mount it but blank |
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| 02:58.57 | sivsivrais221 | abortman is a kernel module not loading hm...why is this happening |
| 03:00.33 | babilen | sivsivrais221: Try "ab<TAB>" -- His name is "abrotman" not "abortman" -- Which filesystem are you (trying) to mount? |
| 03:01.15 | sivsivrais221 | my apologies i didnt even notice that ntfs |
| 03:01.42 | sivsivrais221 | ntfs external drive automount |
| 03:02.08 | babilen | sivsivrais221: Make sure you have ntfs-3g installed and also ask dpkg (out bot) about <ntfs> <ntfsrw> <user accessible ntfs> (e.g. "/msg dpkg ntfs") |
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| 03:04.09 | abrotman | he doesn't need 3g if he's just trying to read |
| 03:04.43 | pbase | is there a way I can only keep the source code in the package cache instead of binaries and compile as and when needed? I think binaries eat up a lot of space.. Is this a good idea to switch to sources only? |
| 03:05.27 | civillian | pbase: how did you arrive at that conclusion? |
| 03:05.47 | pbase | just an intuition.. no scientific basis |
| 03:05.54 | sivsivrais221 | If I format a external drive with btrfs or ext4 would that void the warranty? |
| 03:06.11 | babilen | no |
| 03:06.24 | civillian | sivsivrais221: no but I'd reformat back to NTFS if you want to claim warranty |
| 03:06.41 | civillian | sivsivrais221: or FAT or whatever |
| 03:07.03 | civillian | sivsivrais221: ^^ imho anyway :) |
| 03:07.25 | pbase | talking about warranty its almost about 2-3 years old (hardware.. else the warranty is void by most manufacturers).. hence its ntfs |
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| 03:09.40 | sivsivrais221 | what you guys suggest i format this drive to then btrfs or ext4, i want encrypted external hard drive thats also works in windows maybe you guys can point me to how to; btrfs does that have fsck ? |
| 03:09.48 | pbase | what I mean is most hardware warranties are valid for max 2-3 years. since you are talking about it today, you are hardware can't be older than 2-3 years |
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| 03:10.22 | lstarnes | sivsivrais221: btrfs still lacks fsck afair |
| 03:10.33 | lstarnes | ext4 can't reliably be read by windows |
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| 03:14.58 | sivsivrais221 | lstarnes, so what do you suggest? |
| 03:15.14 | lstarnes | sivsivrais221: either fat or ntfs |
| 03:15.24 | lstarnes | there are some decent ext3 drivers for windows too |
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| 03:18.35 | sivsivrais221 | babilen, i can manually mount the drive, but i have two drives i want it automount so i can switch between the two |
| 03:20.31 | k-man | which version of cpuburn's burnX should I run to test a dual CPU QC Xeon? |
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| 03:21.32 | CannedCorn | hey guys |
| 03:21.36 | CannedCorn | does squeeze use iptables |
| 03:21.40 | CannedCorn | i don't see it installed |
| 03:22.25 | LDungeon | yes. |
| 03:22.49 | CannedCorn | i see |
| 03:23.11 | CannedCorn | are you guys familiar with fail2ban? |
| 03:23.25 | LDungeon | depends on what you mean by "familiar" |
| 03:23.47 | abrotman | CannedCorn: ask the real question |
| 03:23.56 | CannedCorn | i'm trying to set it up to stop ip addresses from making thousands of calls a second to my web server |
| 03:24.09 | abrotman | in Debian ? |
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| 03:24.12 | CannedCorn | i am tailing my nginx log and i see the same ip asking for the same page over and over again |
| 03:24.14 | CannedCorn | yeah in debian |
| 03:24.31 | CannedCorn | nginx folks said to use iptables |
| 03:24.47 | CannedCorn | but fail2ban seems like a nice way to do it, and get some extras to boot |
| 03:26.00 | jordanm | CannedCorn: are you sure its not a search engine bot? are you having performance issues? |
| 03:26.11 | CannedCorn | yeah its not crawling me |
| 03:26.21 | CannedCorn | its just hitting the same page over and over |
| 03:26.28 | CannedCorn | always from windows |
| 03:26.30 | CannedCorn | haha |
| 03:26.45 | CannedCorn | i think its someone writing a program to use our api |
| 03:26.52 | CannedCorn | but has an infinite loop somwhere |
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| 03:30.46 | abrotman | CannedCorn: if it's hte same IP .. just use iptables and be done with it |
| 03:30.56 | CannedCorn | yeah but it changes sometimes |
| 03:31.02 | CannedCorn | but they usually keep at it for a day |
| 03:31.09 | CannedCorn | and then one will come back |
| 03:31.15 | CannedCorn | or use a different ip |
| 03:31.25 | CannedCorn | so i want an automated way of dealing with it |
| 03:34.01 | abrotman | so use fail2ban |
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| 03:35.06 | jordanm | must block those people using the services you are publically hosting |
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| 03:37.20 | pbase | how can they be banned if their ip changes.. I think it can be done only manually |
| 03:37.42 | simonlnu | there's different ways |
| 03:38.49 | jordanm | any way that is automated is likely to block legitimate and wanted traffic by mistake |
| 03:39.46 | jordanm | even cisco guard will tend to block legit traffic |
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| 03:42.08 | riex | somebody here know a solution for fixing rsync daemon to start at every boot? :) |
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| 03:42.32 | abrotman | uh what? |
| 03:42.40 | Justin | riex: /etc/default/rsync ? |
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| 03:44.25 | riex | Justin: http://pastebin.com/h4kb1PVS like that? |
| 03:44.29 | riex | nothing else? |
| 03:44.34 | riex | i cannot use rc.local for it? |
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| 03:45.04 | abrotman | what's wrong wit the file he pointed you at? |
| 03:45.20 | gonzoism | How do i set up a secondary network without it being set as the default route? |
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| 03:45.44 | batouzo | can I have / readonly? /var /tmp /srv /home are separated out (and writable). for a normal system that works. assuming I will not change configuration or install any software after ROing the / |
| 03:45.45 | abrotman | don't add a gateway |
| 03:46.10 | gonzoism | network manager seems to be doing that automatically. |
| 03:46.38 | gonzoism | i have a ppp0 connection with ip. and internal ip and printer on 192.168.x.x. |
| 03:46.58 | tharkun | CannedCorn: take a look at the "recent" module of iptables it can be your solution |
| 03:47.02 | gonzoism | and when i connect to the local wireless router, it always blocks the net |
| 03:51.03 | tharkun | gonzoism: man route |
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| 03:52.07 | Justin | gonzoism: you set it up the same as any other network, without a default gateway |
| 03:52.16 | riex | Justin: http://pastebin.com/h4kb1PVS like that? |
| 03:52.34 | riex | Justin: and rsync will automatic start at every reboot? |
| 03:53.14 | Justin | riex: /etc/init.d/rsync restart |
| 03:53.32 | riex | Yes i know, but i mean when i reboot the server. |
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| 03:53.55 | riex | it will start automatic when i have this configuration like i pasted to you before? |
| 03:55.14 | Justin | riex: why wouldn't it? |
| 03:55.36 | riex | I don't know, that's why i ask you. mr. expert ;) |
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| 03:57.43 | sivsivrais221 | where does modprobe get saved to |
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| 03:59.51 | civillian | sivsivrais221: if you modprobe [module] then it's only loaded until next boot. If you want that module loaded each boot, use /etc/modules |
| 04:00.53 | sivsivrais221 | how do i undo a modprobe then |
| 04:01.02 | civillian | sivsivrais221: rmmod? |
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| 04:01.46 | civillian | sivsivrais221: modprobe -r will also work |
| 04:02.04 | sivsivrais221 | where does the modprobe command gets saved to so it calls on startup, i want to edit that file |
| 04:02.14 | lstarnes | modprobe saves nothing |
| 04:02.15 | civillian | sivsivrais221: I told you already |
| 04:02.52 | sivsivrais221 | ah okay |
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| 04:08.21 | Amarande | yay, finally, after 37 days |
| 04:08.29 | Amarande | now to figure out how to migrate my installation to the new hard disk, finally |
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| 04:09.19 | somiaj | Amarande: I'd use a live system and rsync. |
| 04:09.51 | pumafyre | Amarande: what after 37 days? |
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| 04:11.27 | Amarande | pumafyre: that's the last time I was able to boot this PC |
| 04:11.52 | Amarande | power went out Oct. 29, was out for a week. meanwhile rebuilt naamah into a shiny new Antec Three Hundred case and installed the new HD |
| 04:12.18 | Amarande | got home from the grandparents' where I was staying to have food and water while power was out at home, on Nov. 6. tried to boot naamah. No dice. |
| 04:12.34 | Amarande | Mobo was apparently dead for some reason. Ordered nice shiny new Intel DZ68DB mobo from newegg. |
| 04:13.12 | Amarande | ... and it was DOA, and between having the local shop test it to verify it wasn't the CPU or RAM that was bad but definitely the mobo, and the RMA turnaround time from newegg, and the additional time lost in that over the Thanksgiving weekend, it was 37 days till I finally had a working mobo |
| 04:13.26 | pumafyre | Amarandam wow! congratulations! |
| 04:13.51 | Amarande | I must say I'm pleased with the "Stay Off" power failure mode being default on the DZ68DB. It means that what likely killed the old Asus mobo won't kill this one. |
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| 04:14.15 | Amarande | I suspect that the mobo couldn't handle the power fluctations that occurred before the outage (I wasn't home at the time, so I can't be 100%). |
| 04:14.36 | civillian | Amarande: how good is your PSU? |
| 04:14.41 | Amarande | though interestingly, the PSU survived it with a clean bill of health (I asked the local shop to determine that the PSU was OK) |
| 04:14.47 | Amarande | Corsair, TX850W |
| 04:15.47 | Amarande | although, when I had first tried to reboot the Asus board, it was complaining of a bad BIOS checksum and wanted a floppy or CD I didn't have to be inserted |
| 04:16.10 | Amarande | after that first time though it was dead. Could be the BIOS chip went at some point while the machine was on, and on a Linux machine that wouldn't show at all till one attempts to reboot |
| 04:17.34 | Amarande | so after HD migration, the main thing will be to install a newer kernel, apparently. oh. anyone remember what the procedure is on debian to handle the nvidia-kernel binary package when changing kernel versions? |
| 04:18.07 | Amarande | I'm going to either need to use the bpo 2.6.39, or just compile 3.0.9 from kernel.org, seeing as I can't actually access bpo via apt till AFTER the kernel upgrade anyway, making it a lot less useful |
| 04:18.24 | Amarande | (one of the things for which a kernel upgrade is necessary is for the network, which is not supported in 2.6.32) |
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| 04:20.30 | Amarande | I did already verify that all appropriate programs on squeeze have new enough versions to handle 3.0 (which they do, at least according to the Documentation/Changes file) |
| 04:24.58 | Amarande | oh, I should probably partition and mkfs on the new drive before I try to copy things to it ... |
| 04:25.03 | Amarande | *headdesk* |
| 04:27.00 | gnarface | so i got this new usb 2.0 multi-drive adapter and i plug an sd card into it and it iolocks my system |
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| 04:27.09 | gnarface | on reboot, the same behavior does not occur again |
| 04:27.11 | gnarface | bad sd card? |
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| 04:27.16 | wallee | hi all |
| 04:27.42 | Amarande | gnarface: perhaps. I've even heard of USB keys that have fried motherboards |
| 04:27.50 | wallee | i can visit url by webbrowser fast, but apt-get is slow |
| 04:28.00 | Amarande | hrm. is there any conceivable practical reason to run a swap partition on a desktop with 8GB on squeeze? |
| 04:28.10 | wallee | i'm sure i have setting the best mirror for me |
| 04:28.30 | wallee | why? |
| 04:28.42 | wallee | anyone can help me? |
| 04:28.56 | gnarface | Amarande: swap is nice to have when doing large apt-gets |
| 04:28.59 | Amarande | hrm, wonder if I actually am going to have to compile my own kernel. |
| 04:29.05 | Amarande | does the bpo kernel support memory in excess of 4GB? |
| 04:29.27 | Amarande | I know that e.g. the Knoppix kernel (3.0.4) is only seeing half of my 8GB (BIOS sees it all, so it's definitely there) |
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| 04:29.52 | wallee | any one know how to do? |
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| 04:30.24 | Amarande | like I said, since even bpo isn't exactly 100% convenient in this case (kernel upgrade is needed to get network, so I can't just apt-get the kernel upgrade ...), compiling is an attractive option. |
| 04:30.36 | Amarande | and I do recall how to do it, since I used to do it back in the 2.0 and 2.2 days :) |
| 04:30.53 | somiaj | Amarande: for i386 you need a -bigmem kernel. for amd64 it will just see it all |
| 04:31.02 | somiaj | Amarande: you don't need a backported kernel. |
| 04:31.33 | Amarande | ah, that would be it, the Knoppix live kernel probably isn't amd64 or bigmem |
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| 04:31.52 | Amarande | somiaj: the network card on the Z68 chipset apparently isn't supported in 2.6.32 |
| 04:32.01 | Amarande | unless Debian has added support in their kernel for network cards that aren't supported in the same stock version |
| 04:32.09 | somiaj | Amarande: the backport kernel is fairly easy to install and works well. |
| 04:32.25 | somiaj | Amarande: there has been a few additions, you can check the wiki to see what you have to do for that card |
| 04:34.58 | Amarande | hmm. not finding any "Z68" results on wiki |
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| 04:35.32 | Amarande | (also, even the backport kernel will have to be manually shoehorned in i.e. via dpkg -i ... - will this affect updates after setting up the repo?) |
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| 04:35.54 | Amarande | remember, the kernel update is needed for the ethernet, so repos are inaccessible until *after* it is updated |
| 04:36.21 | somiaj | Amarande: what does lspci say about the card |
| 04:36.48 | Amarande | 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82579V Gigabit Network Connection (rev 05) |
| 04:37.09 | Amarande | have not yet actually tried booting the stock squeeze kernel, as I still have to complete the migration to the new HD |
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| 04:38.20 | Amarande | debian wiki: "Your search query "82579V" didn't return any results." |
| 04:38.38 | Amarande | also, someone should perhaps check on the wiki server. I've had to attempt almost every search twice, as the first time comes up Internal Server Error |
| 04:39.02 | somiaj | Amarande: http://superuser.com/questions/288060/cant-install-82579v-ethernet-card-on-debian -- I'd say the backport kernel will do the trick |
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| 04:39.47 | Amarande | ok. so, then, two things remain |
| 04:39.48 | somiaj | Amarande: you could build a module for it against the squeeze kernel, but the backport kernel will be the simpilest |
| 04:40.25 | Amarande | one, how to install the backport kernel by manually downloading the packages (specifically what the full list of downloads needed is so I don't forget something), and whether that will cause it not to update properly after adding bpo |
| 04:40.47 | Amarande | (i.e., I'm going to have to download any kernel stuff from Knoppix and put it on the hard drive, then dpkg -i it when I boot into squeeze) |
| 04:40.58 | somiaj | Amarande: packages.debian.org -- for the most part you shouldn't need more than the kernel package |
| 04:41.15 | Amarande | two, what's the procedure for properly updating the nvidia binary driver package when updating the kernel in this manner? |
| 04:41.31 | somiaj | Amarande: if you have internet connection on the live system, just chroot into the root file system and you can install/remove/admin things from there without having to download and copy over |
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| 04:41.52 | Amarande | yes, I do have internet connection on the live system, that's how I finally got back into #debian |
| 04:42.13 | Amarande | (which I actually have no access to from the other PC in the house, as it has no IRC client, and freenode doesn't allow Mibbit. I've been having to use OFTC for Debian questions meantime.) |
| 04:42.21 | somiaj | Amarande: you'll probabaly have to backport the non-free nvidia drivers yourself, /msg dpkg ssbp |
| 04:42.29 | somiaj | Amarande: should be able to do this all from a chroot from the live system. |
| 04:44.37 | Amarande | (off-topic knoppix comment meanwhile: compiz, at least the theme this live system uses, is quite obnoxious, heh) |
| 04:45.04 | somiaj | live.debian.org -- I'd suggest the ldxe or fluxbox version. (: |
| 04:45.09 | somiaj | sorry xfce |
| 04:45.24 | somiaj | also wait, that is live.debian.net |
| 04:45.32 | Amarande | actually, I'm likely to switch to e16 at some point (probably when gnome3 becomes the standard on debian, which may be when wheezy comes out) |
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| 04:45.50 | lstarnes | why not e17? |
| 04:45.59 | somiaj | it will be, though you can use squeeze for as long as you like (security updates will only exist for about a year after wheezy comes out though) |
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| 04:46.25 | gnarface | e16 isn't in sid anymore :( |
| 04:46.26 | Amarande | perhaps e17, if it is stable enough (as I sometimes get the feeling that we may see X12 or X11R8 by the time e17 is "released" heh) |
| 04:46.35 | civillian | switched to i3 and he's not going back :) |
| 04:46.39 | Amarande | is e17 available in squeeze? |
| 04:47.01 | Amarande | (I forget now after 37 days how to ask dpkg about package versions here heh) |
| 04:47.16 | civillian | !versions e17 |
| 04:47.16 | civillian | ? |
| 04:47.33 | civillian | !versions enlightenment |
| 04:47.40 | civillian | meh |
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| 04:48.36 | gnarface | ,versions e17 |
| 04:48.38 | judd | Package: e17 on i386 -- sid: 0.16.999.55225-1; wheezy: 0.16.999.55225-1 |
| 04:48.42 | gnarface | ,versions e16 |
| 04:48.44 | judd | Package: e16 on i386 -- lenny: 0.16.8.13-4; squeeze: 1.0.0-4 |
| 04:48.48 | gnarface | ,versions enlightenment |
| 04:48.49 | judd | No package named 'enlightenment' was found in i386. |
| 04:48.59 | gnarface | enlightenment got replaced with e16 for a while |
| 04:49.05 | Amarande | I'm guessing e17 will *never* be in stable, most likely |
| 04:49.12 | civillian | Yeh it's been about 10 years since I ran e |
| 04:49.16 | gnarface | it will be when they're working on e18 |
| 04:49.17 | Amarande | since it seems like it may never be officially "released" |
| 04:49.50 | Amarande | e17 actually is beginning to get up there for longest known pre-release development cycle of any software package |
| 04:50.14 | Amarande | (actually, is there even anything longer than it, in terms of reasonably well known packages, besides Duke Nukem Forever's dev time?) |
| 04:51.04 | somiaj | fvwm 2.6 took 10 years or so |
| 04:51.31 | Amarande | and wine, I'm not sure now how many years that took to hit 1.0 |
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| 04:54.17 | Amarande | but yeah, almost certainly going to e when gnome3 becomes the gnome version in stable |
| 04:54.34 | [gnubie] | waves |
| 04:54.37 | [gnubie] | how am i able to remove the "john@" on the second column of the CSV file located here => http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=G2NiTgYx ?? |
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| 05:01.05 | jwilliams_ | is there any way to check wheather pidgin is infected or hacked by which virus? |
| 05:01.58 | jwilliams_ | my friends receive some weird message which i did not send until I am informed that they receive some strange message. |
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| 05:03.16 | somiaj | its more likely your accounts were hacked and people are using them to send mesages |
| 05:03.23 | somiaj | change all your account passwords. |
| 05:05.40 | Amarande | bah. which command is it in fdisk to change a partition type from Linux to Linux swap |
| 05:05.51 | Amarande | I know I have to change the type to 82, but I'm foggy on which option I use to do it |
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| 05:06.26 | somiaj | use another tool like cfdisk or gparted though I'm sure 'man fdisk' will give you the flag |
| 05:06.38 | streuner | Amarande: does the system already use it at swap? |
| 05:06.51 | streuner | s/at/as/ |
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| 05:07.15 | Amarande | streuner: partitioning a new hard drive, so no, it hasn't been used for anything at all yet |
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| 05:09.00 | streuner | there is cfdisk as well |
| 05:09.24 | streuner | dpkg, info cfdisk |
| 05:09.49 | Amarande | also: if the swap partition is smaller than RAM, will this gracefully be handled (i.e., a segment too large for swap simply cannot be) or is that a recipe for crashes? |
| 05:09.59 | Amarande | (I'm not even sure how much the swap will even be *used*, as I have 8GB) |
| 05:10.07 | lstarnes | that should be fine |
| 05:10.14 | lstarnes | you might have trouble hibernating though |
| 05:10.56 | somiaj | Amarande: 8GB might not even need a swap, though it is usually better to have one. If you want to hibernate rember you need enough room on your swap to put an image of the memory in |
| 05:11.16 | jwilliams_ | somiaj: thanks. change it now. |
| 05:12.45 | Amarande | yeah, I never have this machine hibernate anyway |
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| 05:14.40 | valdyn | [gnubie]: http://pastebin.com/v7jUg7ax |
| 05:16.14 | Amarande | ok, now I'm wondering what the heck the debian installer does when formatting ... |
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| 05:16.32 | [gnubie] | valdyn: it add a space every after the comma? |
| 05:16.44 | Amarande | The 500GB drive took over an hour to format, as I remember ... the 160GB drive took under a minute to do both partitions |
| 05:16.57 | Amarande | does debian's installer do something other than just format when it does things? |
| 05:17.12 | Amarande | even considering if it's doing a fresh format ... the 160GB is a brand new drive, so it's definitely a fresh full-scale format being done there too |
| 05:17.35 | Amarande | (160GB formatted manually via mkfs.ext4, 500GB was formatted by the Debian installer tool) |
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| 05:19.24 | somiaj | Amarande: there is a fast and slow format. One just initilizes the file system, the other zeros it out first. |
| 05:20.21 | Amarande | oh, blast. if you want to ensure the drive has no bad blocks from the get go, you want to run badblocks BEFORE you run mkfs, don't you ... |
| 05:21.15 | streuner | if you have smart these days? |
| 05:21.23 | clone_of_saturn | on a modern drive you should use smartctl -t long |
| 05:21.24 | Amarande | oh, right. |
| 05:22.25 | Amarande | smart gives that info, and the new drive is good :) |
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| 05:25.07 | hugalua | is there an example of a company trying to be the for-profit company for debian? |
| 05:26.01 | hugalua | or, this is something that the debian powers-that-be oppose, and that's why it's not happened? Just wondering if their were attempts and I dont' see anything mentioned in http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ap-manifesto.en.html#sA.2 |
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| 05:26.46 | lstarnes | is it just me or is wine actually in unstable but not testing? |
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| 05:27.42 | civillian | lstarnes: yeh for some reason it's not in testing |
| 05:27.59 | lstarnes | weird |
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| 05:28.31 | Amarande | hugalua, I doubt the debian powers-that-be have a stance one way or the other about there being a for-profit debian company, if there is one |
| 05:28.34 | lstarnes | it's in squeeze too |
| 05:28.46 | Amarande | remember, debian is all about the GPL, and the GPL was designed to let people use the software for profit if they wish to |
| 05:29.20 | Amarande | generally opensource for profit tends to be about providing paid support, anyway (since there is no practical way to make money directly off of the open source data itself) |
| 05:29.40 | nevyn | Amarande: cygnus did ok till redhat bought them |
| 05:29.53 | hugalua | when ubuntu first started out, were there super significant changes? |
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| 05:30.26 | Amarande | well, I mean, if you try to sell an open source package, you're not going to be able to successfully command a significant price due to the availability of free downloads, unless the price comes via offering support |
| 05:30.42 | technologov_ | theoretically someone could form a support company behind Debian. |
| 05:31.01 | Amarande | I'm not even sure if the xchat for Windows shareware model, for instance, is at all successful, given that there exist (and legally cannot be challenged, since xchat is GPL) fully free Windows builds |
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| 05:33.47 | Amarande | oh. another thing. I changed over from a local time hardware clock to a UTC one when going to the new motherboard. what needs to be changed on the Debian installation in order to acknowledge this? |
| 05:34.24 | lostson | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:36.14 | Amarande | i.e., in which file is the "is hardware time local or UTC?" setting stored? |
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| 05:38.26 | nevyn | Amarande: you were not dual booting and now am? |
| 05:38.29 | nevyn | are rather |
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| 05:49.14 | Amarande | nevyn: the machine used to run Windows entirely, switched to running Linux entirely, but at the time I did, never remembered to change the hardware clock |
| 05:49.27 | Amarande | then I was forced to upgrade my motherboard (old one died) and decided to put it on UTC, since I now run Linux only |
| 05:49.48 | somiaj | its somewhere in /etc/default I belive |
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| 05:51.05 | nevyn | dpkg-reconfigure base-config ? |
| 05:51.09 | nevyn | I think will ask again |
| 05:51.12 | nevyn | maybe tzdata |
| 05:51.51 | clone_of_saturn | /etc/default/rcS |
| 05:51.59 | clone_of_saturn | change UTC=no to UTC=yes |
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| 05:53.09 | [gnubie] | any bash/sed/awk recommendation for this? ==> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=G2NiTgYx |
| 05:54.04 | clone_of_saturn | unknown paste id |
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| 06:07.05 | yagoo | anyone use parted? i'm trying to understand the difference between the swap types it's mkfs command can make |
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| 06:09.09 | yagoo | pumafyre, hi |
| 06:09.17 | yagoo | pumafyre, you cool? |
| 06:09.27 | pumafyre | hey yagoo !! |
| 06:09.29 | pumafyre | I am |
| 06:09.43 | pumafyre | never did get the color thing sorted out |
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| 06:09.54 | pumafyre | but I found a cool PC1 thing that I'm using |
| 06:10.02 | pumafyre | I like it, I'll paste it to you if you like |
| 06:11.02 | pumafyre | 0/window 8 |
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| 06:19.47 | Amarande | Problem: root@Microknoppix:~# chroot /media/debian-new /usr/sbin/grub-install --recheck /dev/sdb |
| 06:19.47 | Amarande | chroot: failed to run command `/usr/sbin/grub-install': Exec format error |
| 06:19.52 | Amarande | Why? |
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| 06:20.36 | Amarande | does chroot not work with shell scripts, even though this article on Linux Journal gives that very command? |
| 06:21.13 | lstarnes | it does but you need to manually invoke the shell |
| 06:21.48 | Amarande | so chroot /media/debian-new /bin/bash /usr/sbin/grub-install --recheck /dev/sdb then? |
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| 06:22.33 | Amarande | nope now it's saying /bin/bash exec format error. |
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| 06:23.36 | chalcedony | hi lstarnes :) |
| 06:23.46 | Amarande | *interesting*. |
| 06:24.01 | Amarande | now ldd is claiming *none* of the executables on the debian-new partition are dynamic executables |
| 06:24.10 | Amarande | *all* of them come up "cannot execute binary file" when I try to run them |
| 06:24.23 | Amarande | it can't be that every single file copied over corrupted, can it? |
| 06:24.56 | Amarande | nope, "file" is correctly labelling them as dynamic linked executables |
| 06:25.30 | Amarande | however, I can't even "chroot /media/debian-new" because it complains of not being able to run bash due to an exec format error |
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| 06:26.01 | karlpinc_ | Amarande: 32 vs 64 bit possibly? (I'm not paying attention here. Just a thought.) |
| 06:26.06 | Amarande | hmmm. |
| 06:26.09 | Amarande | Linux Microknoppix 3.0.4 #12 SMP PREEMPT Thu Sep 8 05:27:05 CEST 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 06:26.16 | Amarande | *ugh* do I have a 32 bit knoppix disc? |
| 06:26.42 | Amarande | I know the files on the debian partition are amd64 |
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| 06:26.53 | Amarande | (which, in fact, "file" also understands) |
| 06:27.09 | karlpinc_ | Amarande: That looks like a 32 bit kernel. (i686) |
| 06:28.16 | Amarande | For that matter, IS there a 64 bit knoppix, or am I now stuck because I can't chroot and thus cannot run anything from the Debian install under Knoppix? |
| 06:28.41 | Amarande | I don't see any different arch versions listed, just a general CD or DVD image |
| 06:28.48 | Amarande | and yeah, that would explain why it only sees half my RAM, too |
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| 06:31.56 | Amarande | yeah, it does look like that chrooting and installing a bpo kernel may not be an option unfortunately |
| 06:32.10 | Amarande | thus, either manual bpo downloading or compiling a stock kernel will be needed |
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| 06:33.01 | Amarande | unless there exists a decent 64 bit live CD/DVD somewhere |
| 06:34.04 | Amarande | meanwhile. now to figure out how to install grub, since I can't run the grub installer that's on the Debian installation |
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| 06:34.21 | streuner | grml has a 64 live cd |
| 06:34.28 | Amarande | will it break things to install a different (i.e., the one that exists on the Knoppix disc) version of grub into the boot record of the Debian install? |
| 06:34.45 | streuner | it seems knoppix supports IA-32 |
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| 06:35.30 | Amarande | knoppix has always been my usual go-to live disc, and it did allow me to copy data over, but it does not let me run anything *from* the debian install |
| 06:35.55 | Amarande | or does it not matter what version of grub is on the boot record vis-a-vis what version exists on the filesystem to be booted? |
| 06:36.10 | SuperPhly | where does bind output on debian? |
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| 06:37.13 | streuner | Amarande: http://grml.org/download/ |
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| 06:41.36 | streuner | Amarande: Arent you able to use the install CD/DVD of Debian as rescue system? |
| 06:41.54 | Amarande | I haven't tried that, does that work with the netinst discS? |
| 06:41.56 | streuner | Amarande: s/install/use/ |
| 06:42.30 | streuner | Amarande: well, i would give it a try, before i download 110, 220 or 700 MB |
| 06:42.39 | Amarande | I'm at the point where this should at least boot, as long as I get GRUB set up |
| 06:42.55 | Amarande | and download appropriate kernel resources onto the drive so I can upgrade the kernel after booting to it |
| 06:43.30 | Amarande | which is the real bummer, I was suggested to be able to apt-get stuff onto the new installation by chrooting to it, which is not possible with the knoppix disc (doesn't run 64-bit execs) |
| 06:43.41 | Amarande | and not possible with the squeeze install disc (the reason the new kernel is needed is *for* the network driver) |
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| 06:44.49 | jwilliams_ | i've changed my pidgin msn password, but seems spam msg is stll sent out. |
| 06:44.57 | streuner | well, i doubt, there isnt update-grub and chroot onto a DI, IMO |
| 06:45.27 | jwilliams_ | any other place that i can check if it's my machine/ os or other problems? |
| 06:45.35 | jwilliams_ | e.g. sysmte is infected. |
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| 06:47.39 | chalcedony | jwilliams_, on debian or do you have windows somewhere? |
| 06:48.01 | jwilliams_ | chalcedony: i use debian wheezy |
| 06:48.34 | jwilliams_ | and i check with rkhunter it reports no torjan. |
| 06:48.39 | chalcedony | jwilliams_, chances of infection don't seem large |
| 06:48.52 | jwilliams_ | am just afraid that if my system is infected. |
| 06:48.59 | chalcedony | jwilliams_, do you have apache? |
| 06:49.02 | jwilliams_ | where can i start to check? |
| 06:49.07 | jwilliams_ | no. |
| 06:49.11 | jwilliams_ | i've removed it long time ago. |
| 06:49.20 | jwilliams_ | and sshd is removed as well. |
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| 06:49.56 | chalcedony | jwilliams_, your chances of being infected are very low |
| 06:50.07 | chalcedony | what symptoms do you have? |
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| 06:51.17 | jwilliams_ | wheezy/sid (/etc/debain_version) |
| 06:52.14 | jwilliams_ | chalcedony: i am wondering why after changing password, msn account seems to still send out spam message. |
| 06:52.14 | chalcedony | jwilliams_, symptoms, indicators that you may have a problem? |
| 06:52.32 | chalcedony | might be on their servers |
| 06:52.48 | jwilliams_ | chalcedony: sorry. i use pidgin as usual. login to msn |
| 06:53.10 | jwilliams_ | then many of my friends receive some spam msg |
| 06:53.17 | jwilliams_ | then i change password. |
| 06:53.41 | jwilliams_ | but seems some other friends still receive spam msg after password is changed. |
| 06:55.06 | chalcedony | jwilliams_, i'd look more at how msn works |
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| 06:55.44 | jwilliams_ | chalcedony: sorry , what does that mean? do i need to read doc about msn protocol? |
| 06:56.18 | jwilliams_ | sorry my english is not very good. |
| 06:56.22 | chalcedony | jwilliams_, that might be a start. |
| 06:56.35 | jwilliams_ | ok. |
| 06:56.48 | chalcedony | i don't believe it can be your debian or pidgin. |
| 06:57.16 | chalcedony | *linux* is not built to be infected like that. |
| 06:57.52 | jwilliams_ | chalcedony: i agree. so i am scratching my head. it seems there is no reason other than my account passwd problem. |
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| 06:58.23 | jwilliams_ | but after passwd is changed, i expect spam msg should be stopped. |
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| 06:58.31 | jwilliams_ | but seems not the case. |
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| 06:59.14 | chalcedony | how did they get it in the first place? |
| 06:59.24 | chalcedony | might they still have access somehow? |
| 06:59.29 | chalcedony | keylogger? |
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| 07:01.35 | streuner | #pidgin 138 "Latest" is 2.10.0; upgrade and read the FAQ at http://pidgin.im/faq | This is a PG channel | Voice/Video (VV) on XMPP only (not on Windows) | Ubuntu users: http://pidgin.im/d/u (DON'T USE other PPAs, THEY'RE NOT OURS) | Facebook problems? Use XMPP: http://bit.ly/coAkCg | Google Talk cert issues? Remove your connect server. |
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| 07:02.41 | Amarande | well, at least now I can yank the old hard drive finally. |
| 07:02.41 | jwilliams_ | not very sure how to check keylogger. will search to check if my sys is rooted with key logger. |
| 07:02.49 | jwilliams_ | thanks. : ) |
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| 07:02.58 | Amarande | time to shut down (and yes knoppix can be booted into 64 bit, but I neglected to choose that option at boot, and must reboot) |
| 07:03.35 | streuner | hm |
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| 07:04.47 | chalcedony | jwilliams_, who has *physical* access to your system(s) .. debian won't support windows keyloggers. |
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| 07:07.25 | jwilliams_ | chalcedony: only myself. |
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| 07:09.40 | wallee | hi all |
| 07:10.07 | wallee | i have comlete configure all network, tks for the people who help me! |
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| 07:11.45 | chalcedony | jwilliams_, maybe upgrade pidgin (i hate to mess with what works) did you have an easy to guess pass? |
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| 07:13.57 | wallee | hi all |
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| 07:14.33 | wallee | babilen: online? |
| 07:15.36 | jwilliams_ | chalcedony: i've changed passwd to something that contains capital symbol small letter, etc. combination with a long size chacters |
| 07:16.05 | cubuanic | hi all |
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| 07:16.14 | jwilliams_ | it seems it still sends out spam after passwd is changed, but maybe i need to observe for a bit more time. |
| 07:16.50 | jwilliams_ | is apt-get remove pidgin then apt-get install pidgin would upgrade pidgin? or simply apt-get upgrade? |
| 07:17.01 | cubuanic | i'm trying to install Proxmox, and want to give higher priority to their packages via apt preferences, but something won't work. please see paste for more info: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/164632 |
| 07:17.10 | jwilliams_ | i've done previous one already. |
| 07:17.26 | chalcedony | jwilliams_, [02:01:33] <streuner> #pidgin 138 "Latest" is 2.10.0 |
| 07:17.57 | chalcedony | jwilliams_, see streuner's orig post, above |
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| 07:19.19 | jwilliams_ | my pidgin is Pidgin 2.10.0 (libpurple 2.10.0) 93051ef2d941be32785c5fbb788ae3b0a0935b4d |
| 07:19.26 | afidegnum | hello good morning, pls how do i add permission to user "afidegnum" being the main user to modify contents in /var/www folder? |
| 07:19.28 | afidegnum | so far I can't do anything unless I am in root |
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| 07:19.46 | nevyn | afidegnum: what os are you running? |
| 07:19.54 | afidegnum | ubuntu |
| 07:20.28 | nevyn | is this #ubuntu? |
| 07:20.32 | afidegnum | yes, |
| 07:20.44 | streuner | huh |
| 07:20.55 | streuner | didnt know that |
| 07:21.21 | streuner | judd, versions pidgin |
| 07:21.22 | judd | Package: pidgin on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-backports: 2.7.3-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.7.3-1+squeeze1; sid: 2.10.0-1+b2; wheezy: 2.10.0-1+b2 |
| 07:21.25 | nevyn | streuner: well they say you learn something every day. |
| 07:21.27 | afidegnum | what is the command again pls ? I remember it is something like userm or omething similar |
| 07:21.42 | streuner | nevyn: that was my first thought too :-) |
| 07:21.43 | cubuanic | could someone help me with configuring apt preferences, please? |
| 07:21.49 | simonlnu | afidegnum: /join #ubuntu |
| 07:22.06 | nevyn | simonlnu: he's already in there and asked the same question |
| 07:22.41 | streuner | afidegnum: please keep in mind, we support only Debian here. |
| 07:22.55 | afidegnum | oh, ok, |
| 07:23.06 | afidegnum | but I thought ubuntu is also part of debian ... |
| 07:23.11 | nevyn | no. |
| 07:23.24 | nevyn | !tell afidegnum about ubuntu |
| 07:23.43 | simonlnu | afidegnum: never has, never was, never will |
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| 07:23.50 | yagoo | afidegnum, i can't help you. but i can tell you to google "unix bookshelf" and read up about how apache works. You asked exactly the same question the other day. That question is irrelevant towards what you're trying to accomplish.. and I remember this because you kept spamming the channel all day.. please dont spam |
| 07:23.52 | nevyn | simonlnu: was. |
| 07:24.08 | nevyn | in that ubuntu was sid at some point in the past.. kinda |
| 07:24.12 | simonlnu | sid, when it first started, years ago. |
| 07:24.20 | simonlnu | + patches. |
| 07:24.30 | simonlnu | hasn't been like that for years. |
| 07:24.34 | nevyn | simonlnu: the ubuntu release process involves re-pulling sid aiui |
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| 07:26.34 | Amarande | ok, this is a bit of a pain |
| 07:26.48 | Amarande | the good news is I got knoppix to boot to 64-bit mode, which exists |
| 07:26.55 | Amarande | and that I can chroot to the Debian installation |
| 07:26.56 | Amarande | HOWEVER |
| 07:26.56 | pumafyre | wow |
| 07:27.03 | Amarande | apparently, /dev/sda doesn't exist under it |
| 07:27.23 | streuner | cat /proc/partitions |
| 07:27.24 | nevyn | really it's pre libata? |
| 07:27.29 | Amarande | which means grub-install is throwing up an error because it can't find the device to install to |
| 07:27.52 | Dulak | Amarande: exit the chroot and bind mount your /dev over the top of the chroot one, then enter the chroot again |
| 07:27.53 | streuner | did you mount /dev/sda(x) or just /dev/sda? |
| 07:28.03 | Amarande | streuner: it doesn't have access to /proc under the chroot :) |
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| 07:28.19 | Dulak | Amarande: bind mount /proc too then |
| 07:28.20 | streuner | sure, thats why you should mount it first? |
| 07:28.25 | seravitae | yagoo |
| 07:28.42 | simonlnu | nevyn: mm, might still be the case. nonetheless, it's another distro that isn't supported here ;). |
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| 07:29.12 | Amarande | how do you "bind mount"? |
| 07:29.21 | seravitae | hey uh, wierd q. my master vol is set to max, audacious vol set to max, headphones set to max.. its not loud enough though. is there somewhere i can adjust like, a hardware gain or something? |
| 07:29.26 | simonlnu | mount --bind |
| 07:29.26 | Amarande | typing "bind mount" seems to do nothing but cause my keyboard to have weird issues :) |
| 07:29.29 | Amarande | ah. |
| 07:29.37 | simonlnu | 'weird' |
| 07:29.52 | simonlnu | because bind is a shell builtin command ;) |
| 07:30.08 | Sbrun | There's also --rbind if there are other mounts below the path that is being bound |
| 07:30.10 | Amarande | are there any other things that need to be bind mounted before chrooting, generally speaking? |
| 07:30.11 | seravitae | besides the poor spelling? :P |
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| 07:30.25 | Ahoalton | hi |
| 07:30.28 | Ahoalton | anyone awake |
| 07:30.32 | simonlnu | /sys too |
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| 07:30.48 | Ahoalton | I need some help with comfiguring a dual boot of win 7 and debian |
| 07:31.14 | Ahoalton | I have win 7 installed already and worried that I will over write the MBR and not be able to boot win 7 |
| 07:31.15 | qop | I want a fully encrypted system that boots alone without any password input... any idea how to? |
| 07:31.20 | qop | is it even possible |
| 07:31.34 | Ahoalton | that is backward qop |
| 07:31.35 | streuner | Amarande: mkdir <foodir>, mount /dev/sda(x) <foodir>, chroot <foodir>? |
| 07:31.48 | cubuanic | could someone help me with configuring apt preferences, please? |
| 07:31.53 | Ahoalton | no password means opend door |
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| 07:32.02 | qop | Ahoalton: do you understand what I want to do? |
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| 07:32.31 | Ahoalton | I understand what, but its pointless if you have no password |
| 07:32.37 | simonlnu | qop: that's as good as having it unencrypted... |
| 07:32.46 | simonlnu | IOW pointless |
| 07:32.49 | qop | that is my point |
| 07:32.49 | Amarande | streuner: finally got it to work |
| 07:32.50 | Ahoalton | like have the best safe in the world but not locking thelock |
| 07:32.57 | Dulak | qop: that's like having it unecrypted, but slow from encryption. |
| 07:32.57 | Amarande | the problem was that /dev wasn't visible within the chroot |
| 07:33.05 | qop | my point is that it is not pointless |
| 07:33.07 | Amarande | except for the "basic" /dev entries that are on the drive itself |
| 07:33.16 | qop | hey chill stop the "it is like... :P |
| 07:33.18 | Amarande | does bpo only have main, or does it also have contrib and non-free? |
| 07:33.22 | simonlnu | Dulak: yes, that too =) |
| 07:33.46 | Ahoalton | so any suggestions on dualbootin with out messing up MBR? |
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| 07:34.06 | Amarande | Ahoalton: depends on your motherboard |
| 07:34.14 | streuner | heh |
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| 07:34.23 | Ahoalton | please elaborate Amarande |
| 07:34.24 | Amarande | some lovely motherboards have boot menus that are built-in to the BIOS (UEFI feature, perhaps?) |
| 07:34.35 | Ahoalton | I doubt it |
| 07:34.35 | qop | Imagine you have a remote server that you want to be able to boot up after a power failure, if the FS is encrypted, this would not be possible using current luks, but there might as well be other methods |
| 07:34.37 | Amarande | I know the DZ68DB has "F10 - boot menu" |
| 07:34.56 | Ahoalton | I have a standard old dell E521 |
| 07:35.10 | Ahoalton | I got it for free and went low key |
| 07:35.24 | Ahoalton | I have already separated the partitions |
| 07:35.34 | Ahoalton | so I have one for windows and one for what I want to be debian |
| 07:35.38 | Amarande | apparently bpo is being rejected for security? |
| 07:35.40 | Amarande | "W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://mozilla.debian.net squeeze-backports Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1321788755" |
| 07:36.13 | Ahoalton | I started the install but it wanted to make a swap and a normal partition but I was afraid of what would happen to the MBR Amarande |
| 07:36.31 | Ahoalton | so I aborted |
| 07:36.35 | Dulak | Amarande: install this package: pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring |
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| 07:36.59 | Amarande | oh, this would explain why it's annoyed at me too: I apparently already HAD bpo in my repos as part of aurora.list for mozilla |
| 07:37.14 | Ahoalton | any suggestions? |
| 07:37.15 | Ahoalton | please |
| 07:38.02 | radish | Hi I need a help. I get ""ssh_askpass: exec(/usr/bin/ssh-askpass): No such file or directory"" error when I use a programme..how to fix it ?.. |
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| 07:38.28 | pumafyre | I just switched from x to a tty and my terminal is only taking up about 2/3 of the screen. anyone know how to fix this? :) (thank you!) |
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| 07:42.39 | Amarande | uh oh, did I just break my Debian system in ways I won't tell till I reboot? |
| 07:42.46 | Amarande | specifically: I noticed a couple of warnings |
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| 07:42.57 | Amarande | something, when updating, complained that it couldn't find stuff on the /sys partition |
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| 07:43.21 | pumafyre | Amarande: sounds ominous |
| 07:43.24 | Amarande | also it tried to start cupsd and gave a FATAL because the kernel running is the 3.0.4 from Knoppix and it couldn't find a modules file for 3.0.4 |
| 07:43.49 | pumafyre | did you install knoppix on a hd? |
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| 07:44.12 | Amarande | nope. running knoppix from the live DVD, chrooted to Debian install, did apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 07:44.20 | Amarande | looks like linux-image is the package that complained |
| 07:44.31 | Amarande | why does linux-image need to find the list of partitions to update successfully? |
| 07:44.32 | pumafyre | whoa |
| 07:44.49 | Amarande | (and will I find the system will no longer boot if I try to boot into it without first reinstalling linux-image AGAIN after bind mounting /sys?) |
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| 07:45.50 | Amarande | there a way to make linux-image run its installation scripts again? |
| 07:45.51 | cubuanic | is there anyone who could help with configuring apt preferences, please??? |
| 07:46.01 | rabbitear | hey I been trying to put this wires together for a long time |
| 07:46.06 | Amarande | (I'm assuming that you cannot remove and reinstall it, because it will complain that THE WHOLE SYSTEM just had its basic dependency removed) |
| 07:46.40 | Amarande | ok, apparently you CAN remove it, interesting |
| 07:46.54 | Amarande | interesting indeed. no part of the debian system depends on the kernel. :) |
| 07:46.54 | rabbitear | its good that you ask to ask questions in here |
| 07:47.12 | rabbitear | because the answer is obviously no |
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| 07:48.04 | rabbitear | you'll never miss a layer |
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| 07:50.00 | Amarande | ok, kernel image package reinstalled. the odd thing is that this package is irrelevant anyway ... |
| 07:50.35 | yagoo | i think this "parted" app is just getting "farted" out of my system. It's not good. |
| 07:51.02 | Amarande | yagoo: I still just use fdisk and mkfs myself |
| 07:51.20 | Amarande | and really have had no trouble, except it taking a bit to figure out how to change a partition type from 83 to 82 for swap |
| 07:51.34 | yagoo | Amarande, you mean gnu-fdisk? because currently i'm giving that a try.. (btw i know about gparted.. been using that before.. but i'd like to try something more cli) |
| 07:51.54 | rabbitear | I'm more of a fast writer |
| 07:52.01 | rabbitear | then a fast reader |
| 07:52.44 | Amarande | Dulak: E: Unable to locate package pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring |
| 07:52.51 | rabbitear | its much easier to stay in the pool |
| 07:52.55 | Amarande | which repo is that in? it's not mdn and it's apparently not bpo |
| 07:53.30 | Amarande | also, did mdn stop supporting Aurora? |
| 07:53.47 | rabbitear | I'm legally allowed to do lots of things |
| 07:53.55 | rabbitear | come and get me if you need me |
| 07:53.56 | Amarande | aurora is still 9.0a2, and I know from the Windows machine I had to use the last month that Aurora is *10.0a2* now, not 9.0a2 |
| 07:54.43 | rabbitear | Amarande: squares are neat |
| 07:54.48 | yagoo | Amarande, there a way to list free space? |
| 07:54.55 | Amarande | yagoo: df |
| 07:55.04 | Amarande | or do you mean unpartitioned space? |
| 07:55.14 | yagoo | Amarande, i mean with the partitioning ya.. (ya unallocated space) |
| 07:55.27 | rabbitear | non-important space |
| 07:55.33 | rabbitear | thats what I mean |
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| 07:55.48 | rabbitear | how do you free non-important space? |
| 07:55.54 | yagoo | so you all use gparted i reckon |
| 07:56.08 | yagoo | then why do we use cli tools for partitioning? they all seem to suck.. |
| 07:56.09 | yagoo | lol |
| 07:56.09 | rabbitear | have |
| 07:56.12 | rabbitear | before |
| 07:56.46 | Amarande | ah, you *have to* add sid to your debian in order to get the mozilla keyring package? |
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| 07:56.56 | Amarande | apparently it's not in squeeze nor squeeze-backports |
| 07:56.57 | rabbitear | yagoo: if you still like looking at woman that have babies that are kinda funny too |
| 07:57.02 | rabbitear | yagoo: I guess you could do that |
| 07:57.13 | Amarande | (unless it should be in squeeze-backports and I'm not seeing it because I need it first in order to allay the system's security fears about the expired key) |
| 07:57.29 | rabbitear | no |
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| 07:57.49 | rabbitear | key is expired Amarande |
| 07:57.56 | rabbitear | what would you guess? |
| 07:58.08 | strk | I'm receiving mails from unattended-upgrade, and the mail is going to wrong address. Where am I supposed to set that address ? |
| 07:58.16 | Amarande | yup, there we go |
| 07:58.18 | yagoo | Amarande, ok.. apparently i can see something.. maybe it was that stupid ubuntu.. but trying this on debian lol |
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| 07:58.43 | Amarande | rabbitear: still, creates a catch-22 that can be annoying to fix without having to first poke around to figure out what the problem is |
| 07:58.46 | rabbitear | he got his extra glass fixed |
| 07:58.59 | rabbitear | :) |
| 07:59.06 | Amarande | because in order to update the key package, you need the repository the key package is in ... which needs the updated key package in order for the system to accept the repo update ... |
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| 07:59.09 | rabbitear | Amarande: just joshing ya |
| 07:59.12 | Amarande | lovely, isn't it? :) |
| 07:59.14 | rabbitear | Amarande: I'm from lfs |
| 07:59.23 | rabbitear | Amarande: just saying hello |
| 07:59.59 | rabbitear | :) |
| 08:00.18 | rabbitear | its good... |
| 08:00.32 | rabbitear | just hard to keep up with what your actually talking about |
| 08:02.16 | Amarande | yeah, apparently if you use bpo you run into that nasty issue, especially if (as in this machine's case) you haven't been able to update the machine in a month |
| 08:02.17 | Amarande | (because the hard drive has been quietly resting inside a machine that had no working mainboard until tonight) |
| 08:02.17 | rabbitear | Amarande: is your life good :) |
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| 08:02.19 | rabbitear | hey be back later |
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| 08:04.51 | Amarande | so, next thing, to attempt to update the nvidia kernel module |
| 08:05.07 | Amarande | do you need to actually boot into a kernel in order for dkms to not puke? |
| 08:05.14 | Amarande | or can you do that from a chroot on knoppix as well? |
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| 08:06.38 | Amarande | also: is there a way to get the nvidia-kernel-dkms package to rebuild for a new kernel version without having to apt-get remove and re-do apt-get install on it? |
| 08:07.09 | rabbitear | we already did this before Amarande |
| 08:07.22 | rabbitear | you have to find out a way to work |
| 08:07.39 | rabbitear | Amarande: thats kinda your homework today. |
| 08:07.59 | rabbitear | :) |
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| 08:10.01 | tapout | i inserted a usb flash drive into my machine, dmesg shows it... but /dev/sd* doesn't list another drive... where does it set the path to usually? |
| 08:10.08 | tapout | in /dev/* .. i want to mount it |
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| 08:15.30 | [Xaronic] | is away: [avionic] is AFK |
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| 08:17.35 | qop | can one request features to debconf? |
| 08:17.39 | Amarande | well, the good news: bpo kernel boots, and I have Internet |
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| 08:18.01 | Amarande | the bad news: X isn't starting, and if it is allowed to start, the system becomes unresponsive to keyboard and mouse input and must be shut down with the power button |
| 08:18.06 | qop | are they ever taken? it is the same it was 7 years ago last time I used it :P |
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| 08:18.18 | Amarande | for the moment, I have gdm3 on mode 644 so it won't try to start X |
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| 08:18.57 | Amarande | dpkg, nvidia dkms |
| 08:19.06 | qop | I wish the installed had more power on encrypted partitions, even teh arch partitioner is better featured |
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| 08:20.01 | qop | it doesnt shine tho, in fat anaconda seems to be the only installer of all distros that handle crypt devices properly |
| 08:20.31 | Amarande | ooookay. |
| 08:20.40 | Amarande | apparently, you can't use nvidia-kernel-dkms with the bpo kernel? |
| 08:20.51 | Amarande | it goes through the motions, but make pukes out, with a massive number of warnings of the form: |
| 08:21.04 | Amarande | "warning: pointer of type 'void *' used in arithmetic" |
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| 08:21.26 | Amarande | did something change in the 2.6.39 headers that prevents it from working, and we are forced to give up on the nvidia binary driver on 2.6.39? |
| 08:21.48 | Amarande | which means by extension, that I can forget about anything that needs 3D DRI to function at any reasonable pace? |
| 08:22.21 | Amarande | And the GTS 250 is hardly SNS. Counting the fact that it's a rebranded 9800GTX+, that makes it about four or five generations old now |
| 08:23.28 | Amarande | Unfortunately, I really can't pastebin without access to X, either |
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| 08:24.30 | Amarande | also: for some reason my network is now seen as eth1, and there is no eth0. why? |
| 08:24.52 | Amarande | there's only one ethernet port on this mainboard and there is no PCI ethernet card installed either |
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| 08:28.33 | Amarande | udev[358]: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1 |
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| 08:28.43 | Amarande | is this at all normal behaviour or a sign of a potentially serious bug? |
| 08:31.00 | Amarande | ah, apparently it insists on retaining an udev entry for no longer extant net cards and will rename new eth interfaces. |
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| 08:31.04 | Amarande | obscure behaviour. :| |
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| 09:01.09 | apengitis | For some reason, my desktop's APT downloaded from the server at only 200-320KB/s |
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| 09:01.30 | apengitis | But when I download a large package file via HTTP using Chromium, I get 2.000+KB/s |
| 09:01.51 | apengitis | It's on the same server though... |
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| 09:06.15 | yagoo | apengitis, 2. or 2000 ? |
| 09:06.42 | apengitis | yagoo: the latter |
| 09:07.03 | apengitis | It seems my metrics for determining the HTTP downloading speeds were flawed, it was only 300KB/s there as well |
| 09:07.04 | apengitis | foo |
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| 09:07.08 | yagoo | apengitis, maybe 200-320 is not from the http service |
| 09:07.29 | apengitis | I wonder why I only find mirrors I can only get ~300KB/s from |
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| 09:08.56 | xwalk | Off-topic question, but is there any advantage to a program written in C as opposed to one written in C++? I ask only in the hopes that I am amidst some devs who would know. |
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| 09:13.18 | dekroning | I would like to echo some hex values, that outside the ASCII range (e.g. 0x85) how could I output some value like this? I want to pipe this into net cat, so I can send this data to a socket |
| 09:13.59 | dekroning | something like hexdump, but then in reverse |
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| 09:14.21 | clone_of_saturn | xwalk: there are obscure architectures that don't have a C++ compiler. C is simpler and easier to reason about if you need to do static analysis |
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| 09:18.07 | xwalk | clone_of_saturn: Thanks. I've been trying to learn how to program since getting into Debian and never really discovered a straight answer through what I've learned so far. |
| 09:18.17 | clone_of_saturn | dekroning: perl -ne'print map(pack("C",hex($_)), split / /)' |
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| 09:19.07 | clone_of_saturn | xwalk: if you're just learning i'd recommend C over C++ |
| 09:19.51 | clone_of_saturn | but python or javascript over either |
| 09:20.07 | dekroning | clone_of_saturn: thanks |
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| 09:22.44 | xwalk | clone_of_saturn: I tried to learn C++ as a first language, but I fell like a low level language would give me better understanding of how my computer exactly works. |
| 09:22.49 | xwalk | feel* |
| 09:23.24 | blackshirt | xwalk: i would recommend C or maybe assembler :d |
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| 09:26.50 | clone_of_saturn | xwalk: K&R is possibly the best "learn a programming language" book ever written: http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Language-2nd-Brian-Kernighan/dp/0131103628 |
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| 09:27.21 | xwalk | blackshirt, Is assembler understandable from a beginner standpoint? I know how to make arrays in C, but there are certain things like malloc() I don't get. |
| 09:27.48 | dxtr | xwalk: C++ is low-level |
| 09:28.12 | xwalk | clone_of_saturn, Oh, very nice. Thanks for that link. |
| 09:28.46 | dxtr | Sure, it has some safety measures you can use (references instead of pointers) and some stuff to make life easier (stl) but it will still allow you to fuck shit up tremendously if that's what you want (pointers= |
| 09:28.57 | xwalk | dxtr, I've heard people call it high-level, mid-level, and low-level. I don't know who to listen to. =/ |
| 09:29.08 | clone_of_saturn | it tries to be both |
| 09:29.27 | dxtr | I'd say the same as clone_of_saturn |
| 09:29.33 | clone_of_saturn | and actually mostly succeeds but at the expense of being very complicated |
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| 09:29.41 | dxtr | It can be (kinda) high-level if you want |
| 09:30.06 | blackshirt | xwalk: i think assembler for advanced programmer, but if you want learn assembler, that was good for you |
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| 09:31.33 | dxtr | xwalk: C++ can ABSTRACT ALL THE THINGS!!!! if you want. The downside of C++ is it is pretty complicated and it will take a really long time to really grasp everything |
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| 09:32.19 | dxtr | xwalk: The downside with C is you won't get the ABSTRACT ALL THE THINGS!!!! but it will be pretty easy to grasp things. The hard part is writing good C code and not fuck shit up |
| 09:32.40 | dxtr | Also, you won't get any (real) OO in C |
| 09:32.45 | dxtr | Some people prefer OO |
| 09:33.04 | dxtr | While others are awesome |
| 09:33.46 | th0mz | anybody experienced cache issue from nfs3 and nfs4 ? |
| 09:33.56 | dxtr | Sure, it's difficult to write good C++ code too. But |
| 09:34.13 | dxtr | But if you're smart you're using proper built-in safety measures in C++ :p |
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| 09:34.28 | xwalk | dxtr, So if I want to be awesome and incredible I should learn C. |
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| 09:34.40 | xwalk | dxtr, Looks like I'm learning C, then. |
| 09:34.45 | dxtr | xwalk: Yeah. And if you want proof that satan hates us you'll go with C++ |
| 09:35.39 | dxtr | No, but seriously. I like some parts of C++ (STL is awesome!) and I don't like some parts of C++ (I fucking hate STL) |
| 09:35.55 | dxtr | References in C++ are kinda cool too |
| 09:35.58 | dxtr | etc. etc. |
| 09:36.03 | dxtr | But I prefer the simplicity of C |
| 09:36.31 | dxtr | The down-side is that you don't have STL and will have to write everything from scratch if you're not using some third-party library |
| 09:36.49 | xwalk | dxtr, Simple is good in my book. I got to classes in the tutorial on cpluplus.com and brain melting ensued. |
| 09:36.54 | clone_of_saturn | malloc is like this: your program along with all its data lives in an "address space" which is like a huge array. the system (aka libc) keep track of which parts of the address space are being used. when you call malloc() you are asking libc to find you an unused part of that space, and it returns an index into the address space where you're allowed to store some data |
| 09:37.19 | xwalk | clone_of_saturn, Is it something I should use frequently? |
| 09:37.34 | dxtr | xwalk: Yes |
| 09:37.48 | clone_of_saturn | yes, you need to use it any time you don't know how in advance much data you'll need to store in memory |
| 09:38.00 | babilen | recommends to /join #debian-offtopic -- We even have coffee ;) |
| 09:38.00 | dxtr | Oh yeah, another downside with *LEARNING* C is that you'll pretty much have to go directly to some awesome complicated stuff (Pointers, etc) |
| 09:38.06 | clone_of_saturn | sorry, "in advance how much" |
| 09:38.12 | dxtr | babilen: Sorry :p |
| 09:38.16 | babilen | np |
| 09:38.16 | rabbitear | Ummmmmmmmmm |
| 09:38.29 | xwalk | clone_of_saturn, so malloc(sizeof()) and whatnot? |
| 09:38.32 | rabbitear | no downside in learning C |
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| 09:38.57 | rabbitear | you people will be better females if you do learn c. |
| 09:39.09 | rabbitear | remember that. |
| 09:39.12 | jsoft | So yeah, I need to install lilo or something on an imac after I installed windows |
| 09:39.20 | clone_of_saturn | xwalk, i guess we should go to #debian-offtopic |
| 09:39.20 | xwalk | Females? 0_0 |
| 09:39.30 | xwalk | clone_of_saturn, I agree |
| 09:39.31 | jsoft | Got the install disk sitting in at the promt now |
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| 09:45.00 | binbash_ | So, i'm playing arround with Rsyslogd on Debian 5, and when my remote logging server fails/goes offline all my syslog entry's are becoming slow |
| 09:45.27 | binbash_ | Is there a way to "not care" if the remote server is gone, and continue local logging normal? |
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| 09:50.39 | yagoo | binbash_, syslog is separate from the mailing daemon... |
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| 09:51.25 | binbash_ | Yeah but i use remote logging |
| 09:51.41 | binbash_ | So i have 1 logging server, and multiple clients.. |
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| 09:51.44 | binbash_ | When the server goes offline |
| 09:51.49 | binbash_ | all clients get slow local logging |
| 09:52.06 | yagoo | binbash_, remote logging with what? |
| 09:52.28 | binbash_ | Rsyslogd |
| 09:52.56 | yagoo | binbash_, i'm sure there's a setting for it if it can't do remote log to redirect its logging local |
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| 09:53.12 | binbash_ | Yeah i know, it does local + remote now, |
| 09:53.23 | binbash_ | But when the remote server goes down, local becomes slow |
| 09:53.30 | binbash_ | it crashes the server after a while |
| 09:53.31 | binbash_ | -.- |
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| 09:55.38 | yagoo | binbash_, maybe someone is attacking your server |
| 09:56.07 | binbash_ | Nope, made a small test env |
| 09:56.12 | binbash_ | It's happening becaue of rsyslogd |
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| 09:56.24 | binbash_ | It's queing something locally |
| 09:56.31 | binbash_ | That makes everything slow/overload |
| 09:56.39 | binbash_ | I'm trying to find a setting that discards the local queue |
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| 10:16.11 | stenno | good day, i wanted to start my apache, but it told me that something is running on port 80 already ... how can i find out what is actually running there? :> |
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| 10:21.14 | stenno | never mind, just found the lsof program |
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| 10:23.07 | yagoo | stenno, netstat -plutn |
| 10:23.28 | yagoo | stenno, maybe you're setting incorrectly a virtualhost in your apache setting |
| 10:24.02 | stenno | i already found the problem, a lighttp is running there |
| 10:24.13 | stenno | and i also know where it comes from :) |
| 10:24.15 | blackshirt | stenno: maybe you have running other web server |
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| 10:28.47 | DelTree | 4 |
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| 10:36.49 | gnarface | so i formatted this "8GB" USB key with ext4 and its only showing up as being a 7.2GB USB key (with 6.7GB free even though the only thing thats in it is an empty lost+found directory) so are they lying about the size so blatantly or have i done something wrong with my mkfs.ext4 command? |
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| 10:37.10 | icedwater | Probably manufacturer issues. |
| 10:37.43 | icedwater | 8GB = 8000000000 / 2^30 GiB |
| 10:37.49 | icedwater | Or the other way around. |
| 10:38.04 | Vespakoen | Hey there! yesterday i installed Mint in Parallels (VM) on my Macbook, that all went fine and i actually loved it! but while upgrading via apt, it gave me a message that the "grub" location wasn't there anymore, so i specified it again, that all seemed fine |
| 10:38.05 | gnarface | i did some math and the size discrepancy isn't accounted for by that- it would have still been 7.8GB |
| 10:38.15 | Vespakoen | now, after a reboot, it doesnt start the GUI |
| 10:38.26 | Vespakoen | can i do this by hand? how can i make it start again |
| 10:38.30 | gnarface | Vespakoen: not created here |
| 10:38.42 | simonlnu | !mint |
| 10:38.42 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 10:38.46 | icedwater | gnarface: It should be 7.45GB according to my xcalc. |
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| 10:39.21 | icedwater | I am not sure what else could have accounted for the other discrepancy. |
| 10:39.37 | simonlnu | 5% ? |
| 10:39.47 | Vespakoen | i cant connect to irc.spotchat.org somehow, or is that just me ? |
| 10:40.06 | simonlnu | /server <server> |
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| 10:42.12 | icedwater | Sorry, quit by mistake. |
| 10:42.15 | icedwater | Did you check with other filesystems, gnarface? |
| 10:43.27 | gnarface | icedwater: no. 500MB of 8GB seems like a lot for an empty volume, even for ext4, but that doesn't explain why the available size reading is also wrong |
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| 10:44.04 | icedwater | Yeah, I would just blame a sloppy manufacturer though. |
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| 10:44.35 | gnarface | like, they erroneously rounded 7.2 up to 8 because of uh... metric? |
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| 10:45.06 | simonlnu | 8 imperial GB = 7 metric GB :P |
| 10:45.13 | Vespakoen | Hey guys, im sorry but i just cant connect to that server in any way |
| 10:45.17 | icedwater | Not sure. I'm creating a filesystem on my end to test if it's ext4. |
| 10:45.18 | Vespakoen | is anyone in here willing to help me ? |
| 10:45.18 | dxtr | You realize ext4 reserves some space, right? |
| 10:45.39 | dxtr | Isn't it like 10 or 20% by default? |
| 10:45.48 | simonlnu | hence my 5% comment earlier |
| 10:46.00 | dxtr | Okay, might be 5% |
| 10:46.14 | gnarface | would that show up as used space or would it be subtracted from the available space total? |
| 10:46.23 | simonlnu | yes it would |
| 10:46.25 | dxtr | gnarface: Subtracted |
| 10:46.36 | gnarface | oh |
| 10:46.38 | gnarface | hmm |
| 10:46.45 | gnarface | so i'm confused |
| 10:46.46 | icedwater | So 10% was taken away by ext4? |
| 10:46.53 | dxtr | icedwater: Yes |
| 10:47.10 | icedwater | And the remaining discrepancy is due to dir structure, lost+found, etc? |
| 10:47.19 | simonlnu | journal, plus %5 (doing various things to the total etc) |
| 10:47.25 | simonlnu | 5% even |
| 10:47.49 | dxtr | icedwater: Maybe. Not sure about that one |
| 10:48.07 | gnarface | well 5% of 8GB would explain about 400MB of the missing 1.3GB |
| 10:48.19 | gnarface | maybe i should just try reiserfs |
| 10:48.29 | icedwater | Heh, maybe. |
| 10:48.34 | simonlnu | ricerfs |
| 10:48.51 | dxtr | 1.3GB? |
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| 10:49.06 | dxtr | You said 800MB |
| 10:49.16 | dxtr | Oh |
| 10:49.39 | icedwater | What's the device Debian uses for microphone input? |
| 10:49.42 | dxtr | Yeah, could be manufacturer issues combined with ext4 reserved space |
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| 10:50.03 | gnarface | dxtr: the drive size is 800MB short of the size that is printed on it, but after formatting it then it also shows up as having an addional 400MB or so in use on top of that, even though the volume is empty |
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| 10:50.13 | simonlnu | icedwater: device issue not distro issue |
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| 10:50.34 | dxtr | Try tune2fs -m 0 /dev/yourusbdrie |
| 10:50.51 | dxtr | See what happens |
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| 10:51.14 | icedwater | simonlnu: I'm trying to see if I can pipe mic input to a file, is all. |
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| 10:51.47 | simonlnu | it'll come out as pcm or au |
| 10:52.36 | dxtr | gnarface: My 4GB USB drive shows 3.7GB size and 3.5GB available |
| 10:52.37 | icedwater | I have 3 character special devices in /dev/snd/ |
| 10:52.56 | dxtr | I'm using 7MB |
| 10:53.18 | icedwater | Not sure which one, though. |
| 10:53.32 | gnarface | dxtr: ok tune2fs fixed the used space, but i'm still looking at them basically calling a 7.2GB drive 8GB: /dev/sdb 7.2G 145M 7.1G 2% /mnt |
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| 10:53.40 | gnarface | dxtr: i guess that's why it was only 14$ |
| 10:53.48 | dxtr | gnarface: Yeah |
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| 10:54.23 | clone_of_saturn | $2/gb not bad for a usb stick |
| 10:54.43 | dxtr | You should get a bunch of them and create a cheap RAID |
| 10:54.48 | icedwater | Never mind, just used /dev/zero instead. |
| 10:54.51 | gnarface | dxtr: could i have the wrong block/sector/cylander size or whatever additionally warping the size limits? or would that only affect file sizes? |
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| 10:55.57 | dxtr | gnarface: I think it would still report the correct size |
| 10:56.28 | gnarface | dxtr: ok. well, thanks for the info |
| 10:56.56 | icedwater | gnarface: I'm creating an empty file using dd. |
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| 10:57.14 | icedwater | dd if=/dev/zero of=8GBTest bs=1G count=8 |
| 10:57.20 | clone_of_saturn | gnarface: try hdparm -I /dev/xxx or sdparm --command=capacity /dev/xxx |
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| 11:01.02 | icedwater | After creating the ext4 filesystem on that and mounting the 8GB partition on /mnt, I get the following output in mount: |
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| 11:01.16 | icedwater | /dev/loop0 8.5G 154M 7.9G 2% /mnt |
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| 11:01.25 | gnarface | clone_of_saturn: hdparm doesn't seem to like it but sdparm says capacity_mib: 7460.0 |
| 11:01.40 | icedwater | Why is this 8.5G when I only created an 8.0G file to store the fs in? |
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| 11:02.13 | rly | Is there _any_ browser which can print websites correctly? |
| 11:02.45 | rly | I have two browsers which print stack overflows and one which prints separate div layers seperately instead of on one page. |
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| 11:04.41 | gnarface | rly: no none of them really work right. you can massage firefox into accepable behavior usually though if you set non-default settings and have control over (and great knowledge of) the css on the sites in question |
| 11:05.47 | rly | gnarface: but for 'normal people' that doesn't work. |
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| 11:06.06 | rly | gnarface: I have to spend time to help people just because the software is broken; I hate that. |
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| 11:08.10 | rly | gnarface: I think IE3 was able to print, though, but no idea about IE10. |
| 11:08.31 | clone_of_saturn | gnarface: yup, it's definitely not an 8gb drive |
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| 11:09.46 | clone_of_saturn | firefox, chrome, and ie devs all seem to agree that printing is a thing of the past, but still just barely worth supporting as an afterthought |
| 11:10.07 | yagoo | lol |
| 11:10.18 | yagoo | first shot.. dam fglrx all set! :) |
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| 11:11.15 | rabbitear | your a funny clone_of_saturn |
| 11:11.22 | rly | clone_of_saturn: I think it is just the companies that pay them that think that. |
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| 11:11.37 | rly | clone_of_saturn: if the devs actually think that, they are retarded. |
| 11:11.58 | KamZou | Hi, is there any way in Apache to configure my site with a password authentication (AuthType Basic) for everybody except 1 ip => this ip don't have to specify a password ?! |
| 11:12.11 | rabbitear | well I don't do websites but thats a funny way of thinking |
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| 11:12.31 | gnarface | i do websites and i also think its lame |
| 11:12.33 | rabbitear | I do just still school |
| 11:12.48 | gnarface | i just screenshot and print from gimp |
| 11:12.56 | rabbitear | they are trying to tell me its great tho |
| 11:13.14 | rly | gnarface: what is lame? Printing or them not supporting it? |
| 11:13.24 | gnarface | rly: them not supporting it |
| 11:13.27 | rabbitear | just saying, those blocks don't fit in those spaces |
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| 11:14.11 | rly | gnarface: also some of the print extensions are also ridiculously simplistic. (Some only add a button to print!) |
| 11:14.15 | rabbitear | as a student.. |
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| 11:14.43 | gnarface | rly: not that i support printing in any way, or paper for that matter, i just think its stupid they can't figure out how to do it right. seems sloppy |
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| 11:15.07 | rly | gnarface: right. Do you develop software? |
| 11:15.16 | clone_of_saturn | fun experience with firefox: lately when i print certain pages, all the letters are literally scrambled randomly on the page |
| 11:15.24 | clone_of_saturn | it's a riot |
| 11:15.34 | rabbitear | I like the paper arguement better clone_of_saturn |
| 11:15.36 | vtts | KamZou, yes, it is explained in the manual http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.1/howto/auth.html#satisfy |
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| 11:16.04 | rly | I wonder how much money a kickstart project for decent printing would generate. |
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| 11:16.19 | rly | The economic value is likely to be in the tens of millions of dollars |
| 11:16.30 | rabbitear | trillions |
| 11:17.09 | rly | rabbitear: I somehow don't think it will save the economy. |
| 11:17.30 | rabbitear | rly: working on saving me not the economy |
| 11:17.41 | ompaul | this would be better in #debian-offtopic |
| 11:17.50 | ChoiZ | KamZou: pv :) |
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| 11:19.58 | rabbitear | I already know everything anyway |
| 11:20.22 | rabbitear | there isn't much you can ask me to get thrown off any bridge |
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| 11:21.52 | yagoo | anyone knows of anything i can try (maybe like a futuremark thing) for opengl testing? (i know of the lame glxgears.. looking for something entertaining) |
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| 11:23.11 | yagoo | rabbitear, you smell like the next unabomber. You scare me. |
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| 11:30.00 | rabbitear | do you know everything? |
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| 11:30.38 | rabbitear | hi KamZou` |
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| 11:31.49 | KamZou` | hi rabbitear , pb solved by ChoiZ Thanks !! |
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| 11:36.01 | Hotwired | Hi, is there any known issues with ftp.uk.debain.org atm? I cant seem to connect |
| 11:37.09 | ompaul | Hotwired: you might like ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/ instead |
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| 11:37.51 | ompaul | ia is not ai |
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| 11:38.15 | Hotwired | ompaul: its via ftp, through apt |
| 11:38.27 | Hotwired | it wasn't working, i switched to the us mirrors now |
| 11:38.30 | ompaul | Hotwired: you spelt it wrong |
| 11:38.38 | alsd | hi there |
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| 11:39.38 | Hotwired | ompaul: hrm, just a transcription error |
| 11:39.47 | ompaul | Hotwired: I got to it |
| 11:39.59 | Hotwired | ompaul: thanks :) |
| 11:40.03 | alsd | i'm fiddling with a debian guest os on vmware vsphere, which has its hard drive attached with a fake LSI logic fusion mpt scsi controller. my problem is, i'm unable to hotplug a new hard drive. tried rescanning scsi bus to no avail. anyone has a clue? |
| 11:40.18 | dym | Hey - I've installed a TFTP and DHCP Server to deliver install images via Network, but for some reason my "menu" wont work. i tried this: http://pastebin.com/2ehiWGUX (yes, both are available) but im not prompted. It just says "boot:" |
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| 11:43.27 | ksk | you named it "default" dym? |
| 11:43.44 | yagoo | "<Hotwired> Hi, is there any known issues with ftp.uk.debain.org atm? I cant seem to connect" <<< you're using "debain" or debian ? |
| 11:43.57 | yagoo | Hotwired, debain debain!.. bain bain!! |
| 11:44.32 | Hotwired | yagoo: that was just an transcription error when i wrote it in irc :) |
| 11:44.36 | Hotwired | if i set up fail2ban with a very long ban time is there anyway i can manually stop the ban? |
| 11:44.50 | yagoo | alsd, vsphere is free? |
| 11:44.58 | yagoo | alsd, thought that was a paying product |
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| 11:45.47 | yagoo | is able to access ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/ |
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| 11:46.22 | yagoo | their ip for me from my point os 83.142.228.128 |
| 11:46.43 | petemc | im having issues with ftp.uk.d.o , there are bt issues atm |
| 11:47.06 | dym | ksk: excuse me? |
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| 11:47.15 | dym | ksk: the first thing is DEFAULT |
| 11:47.36 | dym | ksk: it should default to the debian install in case the TIMEOUT occours |
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| 11:47.55 | henaaque | i need some help setting permissions/owners for a apach web server |
| 11:47.57 | yagoo | Hotwired, can you access this page in firefox? ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.html |
| 11:48.01 | ksk | the file you write these statements into, it has to apply a naming scheme so the "client" uses it. default gets used by any |
| 11:48.43 | dym | ksk: why yes of course. i know the file is used cause my banner is shown - just not the booting options |
| 11:48.51 | dym | and when i hit enter on boot: it loads the debian install |
| 11:48.55 | dym | but i want to have the choice |
| 11:49.10 | Hotwired | yagoo: no. i am using safri not ff though (not that this makes a difference) |
| 11:49.22 | Hotwired | yagoo: i think my isp has a routing problem or something |
| 11:49.43 | yagoo | Hotwired, i think petermc said there's something with bt problem with that atm.. maybe you can try another mirror? |
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| 11:50.12 | henaaque | anyone can help me? |
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| 11:50.26 | dym | henaaque: please state a question |
| 11:50.39 | dym | "i need help with..:" doesnt describe your problem |
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| 11:50.50 | henaaque | who should be the owner of htdocs files? |
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| 11:51.04 | dym | depends |
| 11:51.25 | henaaque | depends on what? |
| 11:51.27 | dym | httpd or www-data probably |
| 11:51.29 | Hotwired | yagoo: my on virgin media, but yeah the US mirror works fine |
| 11:51.32 | dym | well what you installed |
| 11:51.46 | dym | you need to understand filing permissions |
| 11:52.03 | yagoo | Hotwired, not sure why you don't choose to go with close mirrors :/.. you testing these things? |
| 11:52.11 | yagoo | lol |
| 11:52.40 | Hotwired | yagoo: because its only one character to change to and from UK to US :P |
| 11:52.54 | yagoo | what a character. |
| 11:52.56 | Hotwired | i'm not massively worried about the speed |
| 11:53.14 | henaaque | ok, but the owner should be a user or a group? |
| 11:55.28 | yagoo | Hotwired, youre inefficient. |
| 11:55.29 | yagoo | :) |
| 11:55.47 | Hotwired | yagoo: i'm an academic, thats not an insult to me :P |
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| 11:56.37 | yagoo | Hotwired, if everyone was going what you're doing on the internet.. we'd all have webpagse loading up like 28.8 modems.. |
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| 11:56.53 | yagoo | Hotwired, just choose your closest mirror! |
| 11:56.54 | yagoo | !mirror |
| 11:56.54 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net. |
| 11:56.56 | yagoo | :p |
| 11:57.06 | Hotwired | my cloest mirror is broken for me! |
| 11:57.17 | yagoo | Hotwired, there's like 7 of them in the uk.. |
| 11:57.50 | yagoo | more like 12... |
| 11:58.26 | Hotwired | ok, you win that one :P |
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| 11:59.29 | Hotwired | i'll change it to a academic mirror when i take the box back to uni. that'll go through janet then. Not using up all the cross atlantic bandwidth! |
| 12:00.42 | Iridos | Hotwired, you can just remove the iptables rule that fail2ban added (or undo whatever else you configured it to do instead) ... stopping the service should remove all bans, too, if it works properly (but I never tried that) |
| 12:00.43 | yagoo | Hotwired, you can another.. |
| 12:00.56 | yagoo | Hotwired, you don't need to change it.. |
| 12:01.04 | yagoo | (,add another )/ |
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| 12:02.16 | yagoo | Hotwired, well if the V rockets were coming your way.. you better have bandwidth to call us! lolololol |
| 12:02.44 | Iridos | right... think of all the poor people needing that bandwidth for p0rn and you're just stealing it from them, you selfish lout! |
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| 12:04.17 | rabbitear | well your kinda missing some stuff but thats okay |
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| 12:06.14 | yagoo | yaddayidday .. http://wiki.debian.org/NFS/Kerberos .. i have to do soemthing |
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| 12:07.03 | rabbitear | say something Iridos |
| 12:07.41 | rabbitear | ;) |
| 12:09.13 | Iridos | dpkg, tell Hotwired about apt-spy |
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| 12:15.55 | Lasers | If you're using Debian, what web browser do you use? I personally like Chromium. I see Debian devs working hard on putting Gnome3 into debian-testing, but Chromium is still 6.0~ for long time. What gives? ;( |
| 12:16.56 | waka | is Chromium working again on testing? |
| 12:17.13 | waka | mine's broken but I haven't even looked into that |
| 12:17.19 | waka | debian too |
| 12:17.25 | Lasers | waka: I don't know. I'm on debian-stable and ended up using lucid's ppa. :X |
| 12:17.39 | waka | I'm using a firefox I installed a while back |
| 12:17.57 | waka | when gnome2 was ditched I have been using Fluxbox since |
| 12:18.37 | waka | I guess I'm too concervative and just wanted 'not' to spend any time to get used to gnome3 but that's just me |
| 12:18.55 | Lasers | Still using Gnome3. I'm sure I'll move to Gnome3 when it's in stable. Or make a decision soon. |
| 12:19.03 | Lasers | Gnome2.3~* |
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| 12:19.58 | waka | Lasers: me too |
| 12:20.03 | Lasers | waka: I tried Gnome3 in Arch. It's really nice but yeah, bugs. I just can't wait for it in Debian. :) |
| 12:20.43 | waka | the things that got me off gnome3 i guess I can live with but Fluxbox works for me anyway |
| 12:20.51 | Lasers | That and extensions. They still have to do lot of improvements before it can go into Debian, but I'm behind the ideas even although they're not 100% great yet. |
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| 12:21.09 | Lasers | Maybe I'll try awesome soon. Been thinking about that. |
| 12:21.16 | waka | I remember there was no 'show desktop' |
| 12:22.00 | waka | my computer has served me since 2000 so you can guess the struggles I have been through |
| 12:22.35 | waka | interesting how things evolve and now I never have to install network card drivers any more while clean installing |
| 12:22.59 | waka | Lasers: so I guess Chromium is still broken? |
| 12:23.36 | Lasers | Define broken. I experience memory leaks if I leave Chromium running for hours. |
| 12:24.02 | Lasers | Kill it. Start again. All is well. |
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| 12:25.25 | Iridos | Lasers, how do you tell? |
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| 12:26.06 | Lasers | Iridos: I had to go into tty, htop showed high in MEM. |
| 12:26.10 | waka | Lasers: I got the Aw Snap screen |
| 12:26.32 | Iridos | doesn't mean there's memory leaks |
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| 12:26.39 | Lasers | waka: "Jimmy is dead again!" |
| 12:26.45 | waka | Lasers: hehe |
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| 12:26.48 | rabbitear | I had to shoot my dog 1923 |
| 12:26.51 | Iridos | browsers all use a hell lot of memory for various reasons |
| 12:27.38 | Iridos | Lasers, one could run it in valgrind *shudder* |
| 12:27.39 | Lasers | Iridos: Well, my X11 was freezing, lagging. I couldn't move my cursor much. Often, chromium-browser was responsible for it, but then again, I'm using lucid ppa. I really like Chromium that much. |
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| 12:28.14 | rabbitear | wrong Chromium |
| 12:28.21 | Lasers | Iridos: I don't know what valgrind is? |
| 12:28.25 | waka | Lasers: that wouldn't help me |
| 12:28.40 | Lasers | Ah, memory mismanagement detector. :o |
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| 12:28.47 | rabbitear | yes it will kill you waka |
| 12:29.19 | Iridos | I use the one in squeeze... it's a bit annoying, that google doesn't want you to install any extensions because "chromium has a too-old version" |
| 12:29.39 | rabbitear | take your pants off in the middle of the night and use facebook |
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| 12:29.50 | rabbitear | if you use the wrong browser |
| 12:30.11 | Lasers | Gnome3 is almost done in gnome-testing but nobody updated chromium for long time. Is anybody even working on Chromium? I wanted to know. |
| 12:30.27 | rabbitear | ummm |
| 12:30.41 | waka | Lasers: there's an open bug last time I checked |
| 12:30.59 | rabbitear | if you need to relize that you don't believe in love yes, your browser is crap |
| 12:31.07 | waka | rabbitear: firefox still manages to kill me anyways |
| 12:31.12 | ws2k3 | is it possible to connect the user auth on debian to other machies? |
| 12:31.14 | Iridos | Lasers, right... can detect leaks... sadly does so by emulating a CPU and so can be hideously slow |
| 12:31.31 | waka | rabbitear: but i'm due for a computer replacement after a good 10 years |
| 12:31.32 | waka | :) |
| 12:31.32 | ws2k3 | so that all users can login on all debian servers with the same username and password? |
| 12:31.49 | rabbitear | waka: we use slackware |
| 12:31.56 | rabbitear | waka: we don't use debian |
| 12:32.00 | waka | okey |
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| 12:32.05 | rabbitear | :) |
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| 12:32.13 | waka | that is an interesting we hehe rabbitear |
| 12:32.20 | waka | 'we' being? |
| 12:32.24 | waka | hehe |
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| 12:32.26 | rabbitear | waka: us |
| 12:32.33 | rabbitear | waka: them guys |
| 12:32.34 | Iridos | ws2k3, well, the usual... NIS, LDAP or sync passwd and shadow between machines |
| 12:32.43 | rabbitear | waka: you wanna know more? |
| 12:32.56 | rabbitear | I think you better take it to offtopic |
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| 12:33.03 | Iridos | dpkg, tell ws2k3 -about nis |
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| 12:33.50 | Iridos | ws2k3, also /msg dpkg ldap (and so on... things in <>-brackets in the factoid are pointing to other factoids) |
| 12:33.51 | Lasers | Iridos: I see why you're crying about valgrind. |
| 12:33.53 | Lasers | "Your program will run much slower (eg. 20 to 30 times) than normal, and use a lot more memory. Memcheck will issue messages about memory errors and leaks that it detects." |
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| 12:34.15 | Iridos | Lasers, I'm not crying! |
| 12:34.15 | rabbitear | booo hoooo huh |
| 12:34.30 | rabbitear | its balling |
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| 12:34.33 | Lasers | shuddering* I was thinking struggling, but that didn't make sense. : |
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| 12:35.10 | rabbitear | Lasers: its okay |
| 12:35.37 | rabbitear | Lasers: cars still go forward |
| 12:35.42 | Lasers | Running it now. |
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| 12:36.09 | rabbitear | Lasers: what did I miss? |
| 12:36.31 | Lasers | rabbitear: Your rabbit foot. |
| 12:36.44 | rabbitear | :) but I don't mind |
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| 12:37.17 | rabbitear | Lasers: running it tho? is really like saying I'm this color hat |
| 12:37.29 | waka | Lasers: I know I have memory leaks happening already but I'd think Chromium would still work now that I manage to log in every one in about 5 attempts |
| 12:37.41 | waka | rabbitear: tell no more hehe |
| 12:37.45 | Lasers | rabbitear: Valgrind. |
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| 12:37.50 | rabbitear | lol |
| 12:38.03 | rabbitear | well I never used Valgrind |
| 12:38.17 | Lasers | Lucky you! (I think0 |
| 12:38.19 | Lasers | ) |
| 12:38.29 | rabbitear | I see what you do |
| 12:38.36 | rabbitear | this guy.. |
| 12:38.45 | rabbitear | doesn't even know how to do this ) |
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| 12:38.55 | rabbitear | its cool Lasers |
| 12:39.08 | rabbitear | yes what are you saying rabbitear |
| 12:39.11 | rabbitear | I don't know.. |
| 12:39.11 | Lasers | its cool rabbitear |
| 12:39.16 | rabbitear | :) |
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| 12:39.41 | rabbitear | just trying to figure out who is here |
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| 12:40.10 | Iridos | Lasers, it's quite useful, actually. Often programs that just segfault will keep running if running inside the valgrind emulation |
| 12:40.12 | Lasers | Not many. Debian is surprisingly stable. :) |
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| 12:40.27 | rabbitear | I already met this heavy weight |
| 12:40.48 | Lasers | Iridos: The issue happens when I leave it open for long period. Valgrind didn't report anything. I guess I don't need valgrind then? |
| 12:41.04 | Iridos | hehe... |
| 12:41.14 | Iridos | if it's still usable, try to keep it running in valgrind longer |
| 12:41.21 | rabbitear | like says never used Valgrind |
| 12:41.22 | Lasers | Iridos: Does it log? |
| 12:41.27 | rabbitear | I know what it is |
| 12:41.30 | rabbitear | well where it is |
| 12:41.33 | Iridos | I would guess that _if_ there's a memory leak then it's most likely in one of the plugins... |
| 12:41.36 | Iridos | flash comes to mind |
| 12:41.57 | Lasers | YouTube really need to start going HTML5 already. |
| 12:42.05 | rabbitear | yay Iridos said something |
| 12:42.13 | waka | I can currently only log in through an older kernel |
| 12:42.36 | waka | kernel panics if I try any newer kernels |
| 12:42.37 | eAndrius | Lasers: http://www.youtube.com/html5 |
| 12:42.46 | rabbitear | and thats that issue why waka ? |
| 12:43.09 | Lasers | Iridos: It probably don't help that I sometimes have 20 tabs open. ;( |
| 12:43.42 | Lasers | eAndrius: Thanks. I knew about it but never joined. I'll try it now. |
| 12:43.48 | waka | memory damp :( |
| 12:43.48 | rabbitear | 80 tabs |
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| 12:44.19 | waka | I'm more reasonable than 80 |
| 12:44.21 | waka | lol |
| 12:44.24 | rabbitear | 4 Gigabytes will be enough for anybody |
| 12:44.34 | Lasers | OVER 9000 tabs! |
| 12:44.48 | rabbitear | 20,000 tabs! |
| 12:45.04 | waka | iv got 4 DIMM cards and they not even balanced |
| 12:45.14 | waka | but then again I'm lazy |
| 12:45.31 | rabbitear | ssd drives so no swap anymore : |
| 12:45.39 | rabbitear | talk about you |
| 12:46.27 | waka | hehe |
| 12:46.33 | waka | 10 years old we talking |
| 12:47.17 | rabbitear | lol |
| 12:47.26 | Lasers | "gdk-WARNING**: XID collision, trouble ahead" |
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| 12:47.26 | rabbitear | be quiet waka |
| 12:47.31 | Iridos | Lasers, exactly... I permanently have quite a large number of them open ... to be closed when I finished whatever project they represent (whenever that might ever happen) |
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| 12:48.08 | rabbitear | waka: your funny lol |
| 12:48.37 | rabbitear | Iridos: I couldn't actually mean that in here |
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| 12:48.54 | rabbitear | Iridos: I have to still gather friends |
| 12:49.07 | waka | rabbitear: okey mate I hear you |
| 12:49.22 | rabbitear | waka: no its okay......... |
| 12:49.32 | waka | rabbitear: I gather you speak for many hehe so I should be worried |
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| 12:49.35 | rabbitear | waka: take a break I guess.. I'll do....... |
| 12:49.51 | rabbitear | waka: never |
| 12:50.03 | rabbitear | waka: not really little kids tho |
| 12:50.10 | waka | rabbitear: I can't afford to, if I mistakedly shut down I might never come back hehe |
| 12:50.11 | rabbitear | waka: anywayz, brb! |
| 12:50.29 | Lasers | waka: And lost your cool identify forever. |
| 12:50.39 | rabbitear | waka: what am I gonna say about stuff |
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| 12:50.48 | rabbitear | waka: just trying out debian |
| 12:50.49 | waka | uptime pushing 3 weeks because I'm scared and lazy mostly |
| 12:51.03 | rabbitear | waka: I mean the irc room after all these years |
| 12:51.05 | Lasers | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:51.26 | rabbitear | waka: I'll probably try and cause trouble since I'm a male |
| 12:51.36 | rabbitear | waka: but other then that, just looking |
| 12:51.40 | waka | rabbitear: male could be anything |
| 12:51.53 | rabbitear | waka: well, yeah., |
| 12:52.04 | waka | rabbitear: I'm sure Debian on newer systems would be sweet as |
| 12:52.08 | rabbitear | waka: k take a break get out of seat |
| 12:52.35 | rabbitear | waka: you're never sure about debian |
| 12:52.48 | rabbitear | waka: we'll be alright |
| 12:52.53 | rabbitear | waka: uppie |
| 12:52.55 | waka | rabbitear: well it's done me good for a long time |
| 12:53.16 | waka | I guess ubuntu wouldn't satisfy me |
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| 12:53.40 | rabbitear | waka: debian is okay |
| 12:53.42 | waka | but my main win was getting an old Netgear wgv111 router to work 3 years ago |
| 12:53.59 | Lasers | waka: Debian on newer systems would be just same as Debian on your current system. :o |
| 12:54.09 | rabbitear | waka: more of a slackware anymore, used to do lfs before for a few years, and tried arch |
| 12:54.20 | waka | Lasers: I think Debian on new systems should be smoother |
| 12:54.28 | rabbitear | waka: irc been on for billions of years |
| 12:54.41 | waka | kernel works sweet as I'm sure u dont have to man build the kernel at all |
| 12:54.51 | rabbitear | waka: but the point is I don't want to sit here forever, just wanted to say hi |
| 12:55.03 | rabbitear | waka: I'm getting mad! |
| 12:55.07 | waka | rabbitear: hallo man |
| 12:55.07 | Lasers | waka: Maybe. Or it could be just you wanting a nice system. You deserve it this Christmas year. |
| 12:55.08 | rabbitear | waka: lol I joke |
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| 12:55.33 | rabbitear | waka: doesn't matter, I drunk lots |
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| 12:55.42 | rabbitear | waka: I just know lots |
| 12:55.52 | waka | Lasers: I got a macbook off a friend and was so pissed off to find out that I couldn fire up Debian on it |
| 12:56.00 | rabbitear | waka: you'll find that out no matter what |
| 12:56.05 | waka | they didn put firewire on the 2009 ones |
| 12:56.05 | Lasers | waka: Old one? |
| 12:56.14 | rabbitear | hey bbl |
| 12:56.28 | waka | go already |
| 12:56.35 | waka | hehe |
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| 12:58.44 | rabbitear | its just that this chair is really bad |
| 12:58.50 | rabbitear | its not a good chair |
| 12:58.58 | Lasers | rabbitear: I use a wood chair. |
| 12:59.00 | rabbitear | there isn't any chairs that are good! |
| 12:59.25 | Lasers | rabbitear: Maybe you don't need a chair. You need a... standing desk! |
| 12:59.42 | rabbitear | these are all free chairs for me |
| 13:00.08 | rabbitear | I know I feel like, after listening to this kinda conversation |
| 13:00.14 | rabbitear | thankyou Lasers |
| 13:00.21 | waka | so Lasers; are you telling me I would have the same problems getting sound to work on a new laptop if I got one like I did installing my current drivers? |
| 13:00.23 | Lasers | rabbitear: I want one myself though. |
| 13:00.28 | waka | i think things are better |
| 13:00.37 | rabbitear | :) |
| 13:01.12 | Lasers | waka: Only if you get a really-really-new laptop. :D |
| 13:01.27 | Lasers | And something not common. |
| 13:01.40 | Lasers | (but yes, it can happen). |
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| 13:02.35 | waka | I dont think so |
| 13:02.56 | waka | I installed Lenny on someones laptop a few months back and it was kinda seemless |
| 13:02.58 | Iridos | Lasers, ah... 111 tabs \o/ |
| 13:03.06 | mosno | waka: seamless* |
| 13:03.10 | waka | sound, wireless, mail, works |
| 13:03.22 | Lasers | Iridos: Running valgrind still. Bunch of "XID collision, trouble ahead" -- nothing serious. |
| 13:03.23 | waka | hehehe mosno alright, seamlessly |
| 13:03.27 | Lasers | \o/ |
| 13:03.35 | babilen | waka: Any particular reason why you installed lenny and not squeeze (the current stable) ? |
| 13:03.47 | waka | I am looking at my valgrind too and it's not nice |
| 13:03.48 | Lasers | Next time I get a laptop... I want 17" |
| 13:03.57 | waka | I said months back |
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| 13:04.05 | waka | when it was stable |
| 13:04.48 | babilen | waka: Ah, fair enough :) |
| 13:05.28 | Iridos | Lasers, don't forget you have to add the correct command-line options to detect leaks |
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| 13:06.09 | Lasers | Iridos: "valgrind --leak-check=yes /usr/bin/chromium %U" |
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| 13:07.25 | Lasers | BRB. Going downstairs for some coffee! |
| 13:07.36 | rabbitear | good idea |
| 13:07.52 | rabbitear | thats what I say just sat back down |
| 13:08.18 | rabbitear | we're not allowed to sleep |
| 13:08.27 | rabbitear | just sit around and smile |
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| 13:10.27 | Guest29346 | hi, can anyone recommend a usb-wifi dongle that does 11n and works in squeeze ? |
| 13:10.29 | waka | anyone with experience of using Latex or equivalents? |
| 13:10.45 | rabbitear | waka: I could bring standard irc into debian |
| 13:11.15 | rabbitear | waka: not really just another syntax |
| 13:11.21 | waka | I would not recommend netgear wgv111 |
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| 13:11.25 | rabbitear | waka: no reason for it |
| 13:11.55 | waka | rabbitear: what? |
| 13:12.03 | rabbitear | waka: I heard you |
| 13:12.19 | rabbitear | waka: you're fine if you're trying to help out |
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| 13:13.14 | rabbitear | waka: 20,000 trillion eyes in debian |
| 13:13.26 | waka | rabbitear: I'm just saying I had a hard time with mine although it works now |
| 13:13.35 | waka | meaning? |
| 13:13.38 | Guest29346 | i have one of these rt73 usb dongles and it is giving me lots of headache |
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| 13:13.46 | rabbitear | waka: always |
| 13:14.01 | Guest29346 | max transmission rate is 200kb/s |
| 13:14.21 | rabbitear | I wouldn't do usb wifi |
| 13:14.23 | Guest29346 | already disabled hardware-key and power-save, still very unreliable |
| 13:14.41 | Guest29346 | not too much choice on a nslu2 |
| 13:14.42 | waka | why not? rabbitear? |
| 13:14.43 | rabbitear | last one I did was dlink dwl112 |
| 13:14.46 | rabbitear | or something |
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| 13:15.09 | rabbitear | it looks bad comming out of the laptop waka |
| 13:15.43 | waka | rabbitear: segfault at c0a81e77 |
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| 13:15.53 | rabbitear | waka: k |
| 13:15.54 | waka | Iv got heaps of those in my logs |
| 13:16.14 | rabbitear | you probably know more then me waka |
| 13:16.24 | rabbitear | I'm still kinda a little kid |
| 13:16.43 | Guest29346 | hmm, seems i actually have the dwl 112 :) |
| 13:16.48 | Guest29346 | hate it though |
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| 13:17.28 | waka | rabbitear: noone's a kid here |
| 13:17.39 | rabbitear | any usb stuff looks funny on a laptop |
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| 13:18.21 | rabbitear | because on that dwl 112 or whatever, we used wlan-linux-ng |
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| 13:18.37 | rabbitear | that should be wrong now, don't repeat me |
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| 13:19.28 | rabbitear | its way better to be wrong |
| 13:19.52 | waka | ciao |
| 13:19.53 | rabbitear | I'll take off my boots |
| 13:20.46 | rabbitear | lots of tripped out documentation on that failing lost stuff with the dlink 112 |
| 13:21.42 | rabbitear | Guest29346: plug it in.. |
| 13:22.32 | arjun_ | Hi, can anyone please tell me how I'll install sdcc in squeeze? This is not available in repository. |
| 13:22.52 | waka | i'll make a precise how to on how to install the netgear wgv111 then I can recommend it |
| 13:23.10 | waka | or i think it's wg111v3 something |
| 13:23.51 | rabbitear | when you get crap to work, you should do a page. |
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| 13:24.42 | batouzo | on new kernel KMS stoped wokring, any idea what might be wrong? builded 3.1.4 on debian squeeze, on stock 2.6.32 all works |
| 13:25.16 | rabbitear | what the hell is KMS? |
| 13:25.40 | jelly | rabbitear: /msg dpkg kms |
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| 13:25.54 | rabbitear | hey jelly -1 |
| 13:26.29 | jelly | batouzo: which video card? |
| 13:27.08 | rabbitear | I disable stuff like that |
| 13:27.27 | rabbitear | doesn't work its not being run. |
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| 13:28.11 | rabbitear | something from ubuntu |
| 13:28.27 | batouzo | jelly: radeon |
| 13:28.43 | rabbitear | I'm disabled |
| 13:28.50 | jelly | rabbitear: unless you're aware or the technical issues at hand, it's best to refrain from commenting |
| 13:29.04 | rabbitear | okay jelly |
| 13:29.39 | jelly | batouzo: and CONFIG_DRM_RADEON_KMS, CONFIG_DRM_RADEON are enabled? |
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| 13:30.02 | jelly | batouzo: you could take Debian's 3.1.0 (well 3.1.1) .config as a base |
| 13:30.18 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 13:30.19 | batouzo | jelly: where is it to grab? |
| 13:30.19 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.4-1); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.1-1); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 13:31.38 | jelly | batouzo: hm, just a second, lemme find the tree |
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| 13:34.07 | jelly | batouzo: http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/kernel/releases/linux-2.6/3.1.4-1/debian/config/config?revision=18334&view=markup perhaps |
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| 13:34.39 | mboeru | hello |
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| 13:34.51 | jelly | batouzo: you could also try using the .deb files from sid but I'm not sure if that's easily dosable on squeeze |
| 13:35.18 | mboeru | can someone help me with a preseed partman raid partiton recipe, because for the life of me I can't figure it out |
| 13:35.19 | jelly | batouzo: at the very least you'd need to have squeeze-backports enabled |
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| 13:35.38 | gcbirzan | does a primary mirror _have_ to be push updated? |
| 13:36.40 | batouzo | jelly: Im building custom kernel |
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| 13:40.00 | rabbitear | hey bye all! |
| 13:40.02 | rabbitear | o/ |
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| 13:55.20 | mboeru | is anyone here good using preseed parman? |
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| 13:59.07 | abrotman | parman ? |
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| 14:00.46 | streuner | pacman? |
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| 14:00.53 | streuner | most likely partman :-) |
| 14:02.11 | streuner | mboeru: #debian-boot on OFTC or/and there ML would be a good place to ask, IMO :-) |
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| 14:03.22 | henaaque | i change some ssh configurations on my vps, and now i can't access it... what can i do? |
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| 14:04.19 | henaaque | i thought to run a php shell on it, but i don't have a ft server installed, i was using sftp |
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| 14:04.39 | colo-work | henaaque, boot it up in recovery mode |
| 14:04.40 | nkuttler | henaaque: check your management interface |
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| 14:05.39 | henaaque | but will i have to reset my server? |
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| 14:06.10 | nkuttler | henaaque: undo the edits, restart sshd, done |
| 14:06.21 | mboeru | streuner: thanks |
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| 14:06.54 | batouzo | jelly: oh I had bad option indeed, _KMS is not set. Bad defaults. Oh Linus, you so silly |
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| 14:09.11 | Sir-Integra | hey, basically, I have a few virtual machines, all running debian, I have a router VM setup, which routes external and internal ips to these machines, I'm getting an issue when the "internal" (eth1) is enabled on the other vms, for local access, dns seems/outbound internet seems to stop working, soon as i disable the local range, it works, anyone have any idea what could be causing the issue? |
| 14:09.31 | henaaque | but how am i going to undo these editions, if i don't have access through ssh? |
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| 14:22.02 | Lasers | So I have one small issue. I figure I'll give it a try. I have XBMC running on Debian. XBMC have the option to power-off after idle period. It won't power off. XBMC just restart. I'm thinking it had to do with priveleges. What should I look into? |
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| 14:24.07 | wizoz | Hey. It it possible to give permissions such as write, read, list and move - but not delete? |
| 14:24.14 | wizoz | I guess it's not possble. |
| 14:25.09 | Sm0ke0ut | not really, no |
| 14:25.14 | wizoz | Okay. Thanks. |
| 14:25.26 | Sm0ke0ut | you can disable rm, but then the user can still use mv <file> /dev/null |
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| 14:25.49 | wizoz | Sm0ke0ut: The thing is that the user will move files using either SSH or Samba. |
| 14:26.14 | wizoz | So I where hoping for an extended permissions. |
| 14:26.16 | nkuttler | can't selinux do such fancy stuff? |
| 14:26.50 | nkuttler | anyway, if you can edit the file you can just empty it |
| 14:27.12 | Lasers | wizoz: What's stopping me from "cat Lulz > Document.txt"? You wanted write permission. |
| 14:27.12 | wizoz | We're just afraid that users will be able to delete files by mistake. |
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| 14:27.26 | Sm0ke0ut | backups? |
| 14:27.32 | Lasers | ^ |
| 14:27.36 | nkuttler | wizoz: backups |
| 14:27.43 | wizoz | To much data, and not enought backup storage. |
| 14:27.52 | nkuttler | disks are cheap |
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| 14:27.56 | binbash_ | Anybody uses remote syslogging? |
| 14:28.07 | nkuttler | wizoz: and you weren't here if the data wasn't important |
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| 14:28.07 | wizoz | nkuttler: Physical limitations. |
| 14:28.12 | kurkale6ka | Hi, can apt-cache show results for only one url in sources.list? |
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| 14:28.41 | wizoz | nkuttler: It's not really that important, as it could be downloaded again - but thinking of a way where user's can move files around, read them and upload - but not delete. |
| 14:28.41 | nkuttler | wizoz: huh? you just said you can ssh into the box.. |
| 14:28.48 | wizoz | Mabye need to make a web gui for this. |
| 14:29.24 | nkuttler | wizoz: do the users really need to move files? |
| 14:29.32 | wizoz | Yeah. |
| 14:30.01 | wizoz | But I think I will have to do a web gui where the user can to such things. |
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| 14:30.49 | wizoz | Thanks anyway guys for your input. |
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| 14:31.22 | binbash_ | Nobody with remote syslog enabled :P? |
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| 14:37.59 | jelly | nkuttler: disks are not that cheap. |
| 14:38.46 | zagabar | Not these days no. |
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| 14:39.38 | Lasers | Beg, Borrow, Steal. ;( |
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| 14:45.59 | mboeru | anyone here knows preseed? |
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| 14:46.26 | nkuttler | gosh a tiny price increase and suddenly disks aren't cheap? ... |
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| 14:47.37 | morst | I have this simple script that i want to run: http://pastebin.com/Ud2TCQ3Q |
| 14:47.40 | morst | This one will run grep on every file at the same time, how can i make this to run grep one file at a time(or more). |
| 14:49.07 | nkuttler | morst: that's just a simple loop. it's sequential |
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| 14:50.04 | morst | Im not that experienced in this, do you know of an alternative script that can run grep on files one by one |
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| 14:50.56 | pizza_biz | why that instead of just "grep 'my string' /mydirectory/* > output.txt"? there's no need to iterate the files when grep can do it on its own. |
| 14:51.44 | morst | it can't handle the number of files in that directory |
| 14:51.54 | nkuttler | ouch.. |
| 14:51.58 | morst | over 1mil |
| 14:52.13 | Sevet | use find & xargs |
| 14:52.22 | nkuttler | sounds like you should fix your directory structure |
| 14:52.36 | morst | it's jsut an example here |
| 14:52.53 | pksadiq | Anyway use "$file" : better to be always in quotes |
| 14:53.28 | nkuttler | morst: this script greps files one by one btw |
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| 14:54.07 | morst | When i run it the CPU hang on 100% and there is no output |
| 14:55.02 | pizza_biz | maybe that's the shell horking on a folder with a million files in it. |
| 14:55.07 | morst | So if it run one by one there should be an output |
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| 14:55.24 | Sevet | morst: it doesn't output anything to stdout in the loop |
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| 14:55.37 | Sevet | only to output.txt |
| 14:55.48 | jhutchins_lt | Sevet: find has an exec function, it almost never needs xargs. |
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| 14:55.57 | pizza_biz | you could see if you're getting output by doing "tail -f output.txt" in another session. |
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| 14:56.32 | morst | I don't, Im sure |
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| 14:56.47 | morst | It ran for an hour on i7 cpu without any outpu |
| 14:56.52 | morst | output |
| 14:56.52 | phlogisto | Hello! I accidentally chmode all files inside my "/home/some_user" folder. Now I would like to find all executable (as a file type, not permission) files and change their permissions back to e.g. 740. What is the simplest way to filter executable files? Thanks in advance! |
| 14:57.23 | jhutchins_lt | morst: Let it run 24 hours. If you really have a million files no operation on that folder will complete quickly. |
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| 14:57.38 | abrotman | phlogisto: unix has no concept of an executable file type |
| 14:57.49 | morst | Ok, thanks |
| 14:57.51 | pizza_biz | if you choose *one* file and run the grep against it where you know there's a match, do you get output? maybe the problem is the expression. |
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| 14:58.22 | mjt | btw, grep has -r (recursive) option |
| 14:58.38 | pizza_biz | s/there's/there should be/ |
| 14:58.58 | phlogisto | abrotman, but then how does nautilus make such distinction (type column) even if the specific file has no execute permission? |
| 14:59.10 | Justin | abrotman: file can tell them apart |
| 14:59.13 | nkuttler | phlogisto: you can use the find command |
| 14:59.16 | nkuttler | er, file, right |
| 14:59.39 | Crypticfortune | phlogisto: strictly speaking, abrotman's right. but you can use "file" to identify ELF files and find executable scripts... |
| 14:59.41 | nkuttler | phlogisto: but you probably have all your scripts and propgrams in a few directories anyway |
| 14:59.42 | abrotman | Justin: based on the file contents though, right ? |
| 14:59.47 | Justin | abrotman: yep |
| 14:59.48 | morst | pizza_biz, ye i get an output, i tried this on a directory with 1000 files |
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| 14:59.56 | abrotman | Justin: right .. not based on the file "type" |
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| 15:00.08 | abrotman | (as the idea extends from the MS world) |
| 15:00.24 | Justin | windows doesn't have file types either, just extensions |
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| 15:00.34 | phlogisto | ok, thanks guys! ill see the man for file |
| 15:00.37 | abrotman | tell that to the File Types dialog :) |
| 15:00.38 | nkuttler | well it kinda depends on how you define file "type" |
| 15:01.07 | Crypticfortune | abrotman: well, the Gnome file types dialog is also quite pushy in that sense =P |
| 15:01.22 | abrotman | i'm sure |
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| 15:03.22 | Crypticfortune | so, i have a box here with 2 NICs, eth0 eth1, and when eth1 is up with its own IP, it responds to ARPs for eth0's IP but with its own MAC...this obviously not a good thing. what could be causing that?? |
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| 15:04.44 | Crypticfortune | eth0 is also responding correctly. eth1 is just spewing crap ARPs... =( |
| 15:05.05 | folivora | Crypticfortune: Are they separate cards? Do you have checked their MAC-addresses, they shouldn't be the same but just to be shure |
| 15:05.20 | folivora | if they are same, then just change other ones mac address |
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| 15:06.01 | os__ | hi |
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| 15:07.01 | os__ | how to connect to a wireless network in debian? |
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| 15:07.17 | Justin | os__: wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 15:07.29 | Crypticfortune | folivora: they have different MACs. they're different by only 1, so I suspect they're part of the same physical card, but still... |
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| 15:07.31 | os__ | ok |
| 15:07.33 | DEDEHHHH | Hi ! |
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| 15:07.44 | Crypticfortune | here's output of ifconfig and some evil ARPs http://paste.debian.net/148319/ |
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| 15:07.52 | DEDEHHHH | Someone speak french ? |
| 15:08.08 | SPF | !fr |
| 15:08.08 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
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| 15:08.23 | DEDEHHHH | I try i english :-) |
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| 15:10.06 | os__ | Justin, thanks! |
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| 15:11.04 | phlogisto | Just to add to my previous question and answers: One may use "find /path/to/dir -executable" to find all executable files and changing their permission will then be done like this: "find /path/to/dir -executable -exec chmod 740 {} \;" |
| 15:11.43 | DEDEHHHH | I have a problem, yesterday i have chage my firewall rules with webmin. Now i con't join my server with qqh, webmin or other. I try to restore my iptable (open all ports http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-iptables-stop/) but i have always the problem ;-( |
| 15:12.00 | DEDEHHHH | ssh* |
| 15:12.10 | DEDEHHHH | somebody have a idea ? |
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| 15:12.52 | Justin | phlogisto: no, that does not do what you think it does |
| 15:13.11 | phlogisto | Actually I was wrong, find -executable only filters the executable permission |
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| 15:13.47 | phlogisto | Justasic, yeah |
| 15:13.59 | phlogisto | Justasic, sorry wp |
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| 15:14.05 | nkuttler | DEDEHHHH: do you have ssh login? |
| 15:14.40 | Crypticfortune | DEDEHHHH: if you can't get a shell on the on the server in any way shape or form, you'll have a hard time changing anything...? do you have physical access? |
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| 15:14.57 | jhutchins_lt | DEDEHHHH: This is why we don't use webmin |
| 15:15.01 | jhutchins_lt | !webmin |
| 15:15.01 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 15:15.23 | DEDEHHHH | no change i ha just installing in same time apache2 |
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| 15:15.37 | nkuttler | DEDEHHHH: how did you run the commands you linked to without ssh? |
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| 15:15.50 | DEDEHHHH | the server is here with me ^^ |
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| 15:16.09 | nkuttler | DEDEHHHH: iptables --flush should do... but then, it's webmin.. |
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| 15:16.47 | Crypticfortune | DEDEHHHH: iptables -F ; iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT ; iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT |
| 15:17.27 | DEDEHHHH | but i have 3 interface network it's a problem ? |
| 15:17.48 | nkuttler | DEDEHHHH: you should probably talk to whoever set that up for you |
| 15:18.38 | DEDEHHHH | Crypticfortune > Same problem |
| 15:18.46 | jhutchins_lt | !fr |
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| 15:18.58 | DEDEHHHH | ... |
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| 15:19.24 | Crypticfortune | DEDEHHHH: iptables doesn't care about how many interfaces you have... |
| 15:19.26 | Sevet | DEDEHHHH: those commands will give you an empty firewall (no rules) so everything'll be allowed from all interfaces |
| 15:20.37 | nkuttler | no rules might not be what the system was configured to do |
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| 15:21.21 | Crypticfortune | DEDEHHHH: nkuttler could be right, that or you have a different non-iptables problem... |
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| 15:21.31 | DEDEHHHH | i think to |
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| 15:21.41 | DEDEHHHH | but what is the other problem :-( |
| 15:21.43 | DEDEHHHH | ?? |
| 15:21.54 | nkuttler | DEDEHHHH: you should really talk to whoever configured that box |
| 15:22.09 | Crypticfortune | like network address/route settings incorrect? we really have no way to guess better than random =P |
| 15:22.13 | DEDEHHHH | the box is correctly configured |
| 15:22.29 | Crypticfortune | apparently not =P |
| 15:22.33 | nkuttler | DEDEHHHH: no it's not |
| 15:22.56 | nkuttler | DEDEHHHH: do you know why you have three nics? |
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| 15:23.47 | DEDEHHHH | nics ? |
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| 15:25.16 | Crypticfortune | DEDEHHHH: nic=network interface card |
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| 15:26.27 | DEDEHHHH | Now i restart with 1 NIC |
| 15:26.45 | Crypticfortune | ugh....just noticed eth0 is also responding to arps for eth1's IP....wtf is with this network card...??? |
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| 15:27.00 | mah454 | How can upgrade inly one package ? |
| 15:27.07 | mah454 | s/inly/only |
| 15:27.08 | Justin | mah454: install it |
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| 15:27.21 | mah454 | Justasic, i need use apt |
| 15:27.22 | DEDEHHHH | When i start I have NFS common Failled |
| 15:27.28 | DEDEHHHH | it's important ? |
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| 15:27.35 | nkuttler | DEDEHHHH: well do you use nfs? |
| 15:27.36 | abrotman | upgrade from where ? |
| 15:27.48 | Justin | mah454: use apt, to install it. |
| 15:27.53 | DEDEHHHH | nfs . |
| 15:27.55 | DEDEHHHH | ? |
| 15:28.11 | Justin | DEDEHHHH: is there someone else who should be configuring this server? |
| 15:28.16 | nkuttler | DEDEHHHH: seriously. stop messing with that server. you obviously didn't configure it |
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| 15:28.57 | DEDEHHHH | ... |
| 15:29.36 | abrotman | or you're being .. baited? |
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| 15:40.37 | mah454 | please view this : http://pastebin.com/8qH4Y2MS |
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| 15:40.52 | mah454 | virt-manager receive this error : http://pastebin.com/8qH4Y2MS |
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| 15:42.59 | mah454 | !! service dnsmasq stop ! |
| 15:43.01 | mah454 | fixed ! |
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| 15:51.45 | JodaZ | i got two servers and i copied files from a disk on one to the other with scp, but during and after the move new files were added to the disk i was moving from |
| 15:52.19 | jordanm | JodaZ: rsync |
| 15:52.22 | babilen | JodaZ: "man rsync" "apt-cache show unison" |
| 15:52.48 | JodaZ | unison is a gui tool ? |
| 15:53.04 | babilen | no |
| 15:53.37 | babilen | !tell JodaZ -about unison |
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| 15:58.40 | JodaZ | i am a bit confused by the unison documentation |
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| 16:01.03 | JodaZ | i only want to sync in one direction and preferably show all changes it does, and it seems to have options like -noupdate xxx, i just don't get what xxx is |
| 16:01.52 | JodaZ | babilen, is this correct ? unison -noupdate ssh://X/folderA folderA ssh://X/folderA |
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| 16:03.46 | JodaZ | anyone ? |
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| 16:04.40 | babilen | JodaZ: Hmm, haven't used noupdate |
| 16:05.03 | JodaZ | babilen, i just don't get what i pass to it... |
| 16:05.33 | JodaZ | maybe i actually want to rsync since that can only do unidirectional sync anyways |
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| 16:06.38 | dym | I now managed to boot "grml linux" via PXSE - but get errors on mounting - "mounting /dev/sdb3 on /live/image failes: invalid argument" any idea on that? |
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| 16:07.34 | abrotman | dym: how is this related to Debian ? |
| 16:07.52 | mark76 | What does "unable to read from server EOF" mean? |
| 16:07.53 | dym | maybe cause grml is based on debian? (: |
| 16:07.55 | dym | just need a hint |
| 16:07.58 | dym | :) |
| 16:08.16 | babilen | dym: You want #grml |
| 16:08.46 | mark76 | Sorry server: EOF |
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| 16:15.36 | ksk | hi |
| 16:15.54 | ksk | is there a commandline client that handles ftEs? (explicit tls/ssl) |
| 16:16.57 | JodaZ | whats ftEs ? |
| 16:17.19 | ksk | ftpes |
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| 16:17.26 | os__ | i see a device in outputs of lspci , is that mean that i have a driver installed for it? |
| 16:17.29 | hroi | hi |
| 16:17.31 | ksk | capital "e" to make it clear |
| 16:17.40 | ksk | and i explained what it is :> |
| 16:17.46 | hroi | according to dpkg -l, I have libhdf4 and libhdf5 installed |
| 16:17.52 | hroi | the dev packages |
| 16:18.07 | hroi | i can se libhdf5 under /usr/lib |
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| 16:18.18 | hroi | but I cant find libhdf4 under /usr/lib |
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| 16:18.48 | JodaZ | ksk, i remember something faintly, let me check |
| 16:20.26 | boodie | Hi: I changed the graphic board, from ATI to NVIDIA. Now X doesn't work (no surprise, in fact). I loaded the nvidia-xconfig package, ran it, and X works, only if i launch 'startx', as root, in the recovery mode ... |
| 16:20.27 | JodaZ | ksk, lftp i think |
| 16:20.39 | JodaZ | ksk, or ncftp |
| 16:20.41 | ksk | just found a topic mentioing it, ill take a look. thanks |
| 16:20.46 | ksk | ncftp cannot do imho |
| 16:21.21 | jhutchins_lt | boodie: move/rename your /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 16:21.46 | JodaZ | ksk, hmm, seems not |
| 16:21.56 | JodaZ | ksk, lftp is propably what you want |
| 16:22.01 | JodaZ | it can also do pret |
| 16:22.06 | boodie | Hi: I changed the graphic board, from ATI to NVIDIA. Now X doesn't work (no surprise, in fact). I loaded the nvidia-xconfig package, ran it, and X works, only if i launch 'startx', as root, in the recovery mode . As normal user, the error that kills X is that it can't load the module v41, or v4l ... |
| 16:22.38 | JodaZ | hmm, those shouldn't be critical, should they ? |
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| 16:23.51 | JodaZ | boodie, v4l is video for linux, its for webcams n stuff |
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| 16:24.17 | boodie | Yea - it shouldn't be bothered |
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| 16:24.39 | ksk | yes, need to figure out how to use it ;) |
| 16:24.41 | ksk | thanks JodaZ |
| 16:24.43 | JodaZ | boodie, what about blacklisting that ? or just take a look inside xorg.conf and see if its mentionned or smth ? |
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| 16:26.11 | boodie | I'm a bit lame with the terminal ... I renamed the .xinitrc in the user directory, but it didn't work. What's odd, is that it works perfectly when booted in recovery mode |
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| 16:31.01 | boodie | jhutchins: Do you reckon that the system would rebuild xorg.conf? |
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| 16:31.39 | jhutchins_lt | boodie: All recent releases have the ability to auto-configure X when it starts. Usually that's successful. |
| 16:31.58 | boodie | Ok, I'll try: thanx 4 now! |
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| 16:32.10 | jhutchins_lt | boodie: You may want to install proprietary nvidia drivers, which will require an xorg.conf, but start with getting it running with the xorg drives. |
| 16:32.15 | jhutchins_lt | drivers. |
| 16:32.30 | jhutchins_lt | !nvidia |
| 16:32.30 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:32.59 | hroi | can someboy help me locate a library that I have installed |
| 16:33.15 | hroi | dpkg -l claims that I have libhdf4-dev, but I cant find it |
| 16:33.16 | dpkg | ii claims that I have libhdf4-dev, but I cant find it 1.2-3.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 16:34.12 | hroi | I guess ubuntu can answer this too, |
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| 16:37.16 | levk | I'd like to rebuild GTK3 with different compile options (back ends in particular), which deb packages should I be looking at? |
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| 16:39.14 | smax | does fricken debian have to sound the system bell every time I do something? It's so annoying. |
| 16:39.40 | smax | every time I boot, reboot, WHY! |
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| 16:40.47 | babilen | !tell smax -about bell |
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| 16:41.43 | babilen | smax: I *always* blacklist pcspkr (/msg dpkg pcspkr) |
| 16:41.43 | Coornail | smax there is a sysctl setting for it as I remember |
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| 16:46.43 | wizoz | Hey. Is it possible to force all files that is being deleted on a file system to be moved to a directory? |
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| 16:47.11 | jhutchins_lt | wizoz: That's sortof redundant to your backups. |
| 16:47.13 | wizoz | By doing this, we can make sure nobody accendently deletes files for real. |
| 16:47.37 | jhutchins_lt | wizoz: Linux file systems assume that you know what you're doing and mean to do it. |
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| 16:47.40 | levk | alias 'rm' to 'mv' |
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| 16:48.10 | wizoz | jhutchins_lt: Well yes, but there might also be several extensions that allows what I'm trying to achive. |
| 16:48.13 | jhutchins_lt | wizoz: There are GUIs that implement a "trashcan", but that's easily aavoided. |
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| 16:48.36 | wizoz | So there is no file system extension that does this magic that you've heard of? |
| 16:48.47 | jhutchins_lt | wizoz: If something gets deleted when it shouldn't just restore it from the backup. |
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| 16:49.46 | wizoz | Again, I'm not looking for a backup solution rather than making the file system acting different. |
| 16:50.12 | jhutchins_lt | wizoz: You have to have a backup solution anyway, why not just use it? |
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| 16:50.48 | wizoz | jhutchins_lt: What you assume that I need a backup solution? |
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| 16:50.59 | wizoz | You have no idea of the storage size or the limitations. |
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| 16:51.34 | pizza_biz | so how do you contend with something like perl -e 'unlink("foo");'? |
| 16:52.15 | jhutchins_lt | wizoz: If you don't need a backup solution then it doesn't matter if the files get deleted. |
| 16:52.45 | smax | babilen: I just ran rmmod pcspkr # I hope that was just the system bell and can still listen to tunes. |
| 16:52.55 | wizoz | Well. That's why I where hhoping for a file system that in some sort support "Trashcan". |
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| 17:12.55 | webad_13 | I need help with following, please: I am using openbox on debian sid and I use feh to set background in ~/.config/openbox/autostart.sh. The background gets set correctly at first and then it reverts back to a plain one (I changed this some time ago and the plain background is set by me but I just cant remember where to look) |
| 17:13.07 | webad_13 | could someone give an indication as to where to look |
| 17:13.11 | webad_13 | for a change |
| 17:14.33 | nag | webad_13: please post the contents of that file |
| 17:14.48 | nag | webad_13: pastebin, etc |
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| 17:16.35 | webad_13 | nag: http://pastebin.com/32QLGh13 |
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| 17:16.54 | webad_13 | nag: this content is sourced in autostart.sh |
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| 17:17.11 | webad_13 | with . /home/milos/.config/openbox/startup_programs |
| 17:17.12 | webad_13 | line |
| 17:17.45 | nag | webad_13: is tint2 a binary or a continuation of arguments to feh? |
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| 17:18.13 | webad_13 | tint2 is a panel |
| 17:18.25 | webad_13 | so after it has applied the background it runs the panel |
| 17:18.45 | converge | i need a professional tool to have linux virtual machines on linux, somebody have a sugestion ? |
| 17:19.01 | mjt | professional tool? |
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| 17:19.17 | nkuttler | converge: which unprofessional ones did you use yet? |
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| 17:19.48 | nag | webad_13: my guess is that since `feh' isn't sent forked into a subshell, it's being terminated by openflux at some point slightly later |
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| 17:20.24 | converge | nkuttler: I use to use virtualbox on mac, never did it on linux, but i think tools like virtual box and qemu are more used for test and development |
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| 17:20.33 | converge | i'll have vm's on a production server |
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| 17:21.04 | nag | webad_13: try appending a "&" character to the end of the feh line to match the others and report back |
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| 17:21.12 | nkuttler | !tell converge about virtualization |
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| 17:21.55 | nag | converge: I take it you mean 'desktop' virtualization, correct? |
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| 17:22.43 | levk | from what he's saying I gather he wants to run webservices and such off vms |
| 17:22.54 | converge | nag: no.. I'll have a server with 3 vm's, development, testing and production running debian |
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| 17:23.56 | levk | look at kvm, xen, and vmware esxi |
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| 17:24.17 | nag | converge: my company uses openvz and/or kvm (*never* side-by-side, but on different physical machines) |
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| 17:25.28 | converge | levk, nag: kvm looks great |
| 17:25.55 | webad_13 | nag: same thing unfortunately - it gets drawn at first and then gets replaced by the pain background |
| 17:26.10 | webad_13 | no idea where this is comming from :( |
| 17:27.43 | nag | webad_13: does it survive the call to `tint2'? |
| 17:27.43 | levk | kvm is pretty basic unless you go to redhat and pay them money for management front ends. although there is free stuff out there. vmware esxi is proprietary, free stuff is very basic nd you will always have to pay them for features. |
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| 17:28.38 | nag | levk: agreed, kvm is basic and esxi is nice but proprietary. depends on one's needs, but for us, kvm gets us there happily |
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| 17:29.58 | mjt | nag: there's no problems in using openvz together with kvm - they don't intersect with each other, provided you can have recene kernels with openvz. Openvz does not work with lxc but that 's different issue. |
| 17:30.12 | mjt | recent kernels even |
| 17:30.39 | levk | You can use KVM on a personal level just fine with virt-manager front ent, at this point it's just like vbox really. You don't want to use virt-manager in a real production environment overseeing hundreds of VMs |
| 17:30.39 | nag | mjt: I know that it can be done, but we avoid it... I should have been more clear |
| 17:31.02 | jhutchins_lt | VMWare's doing some nasty things with their licensing recently. |
| 17:31.41 | levk | with xen you may have everything and even not pay for it either, but this is definately the longest road to take |
| 17:31.48 | jhutchins_lt | Tried to hit one of their big customers of one of their non-VM products with a 600% hike. |
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| 17:33.57 | nag | webad_13: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/openbox.xml - see "Code Listing 2.15: Using feh to set the background image" |
| 17:34.08 | levk | you have to have a windows machine for esxi to manage. That's last I heard on esxi4, I don't know if they finally made a thin client running on linux for esxi5 |
| 17:34.29 | nag | webad_13: that is, run the command in your terminal, then replace the feh stuff in your autostart.sh with the example provided in that web page |
| 17:35.07 | nag | webad_13: *if* it works successfully, then maybe openbox is being restarted or re-executing some weird stock config after autostart.sh |
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| 17:35.42 | nag | levk: I believe they have a flashy thing now |
| 17:37.25 | nag | webad_13: I think these last few steps are sufficient to rule out 'configuration issue', if it's still misbehaving |
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| 17:42.23 | webad_13 | nag: unfortunatelly that fix did not work - seems like after the openbox has finished loading the background changes which would indicate that some other instance is changing it... I just cannot figure out which one... I might have to cat all configuration files to look for the background :):):) |
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| 17:44.59 | nag | webad_13: argh, good luck |
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| 17:58.58 | converge | !tell debhelper wheezy |
| 17:59.05 | converge | !tell converge wheezy |
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| 17:59.24 | converge | !tell wheezy converge |
| 17:59.30 | converge | -_- |
| 18:00.12 | lamah | phanzy |
| 18:00.13 | pizza_biz | try /msg dpkg wheezy |
| 18:00.16 | lamah | the next release of wheezy |
| 18:00.31 | converge | thanks |
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| 18:02.58 | converge | wheezy is for 2012 ? |
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| 18:05.00 | lamah | maybe 2014 |
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| 18:18.53 | written | in gitweb on debian 6 i get 404 - No projects found ;-( |
| 18:19.18 | written | all other works fine like git-daemon-run gitolite and git itself |
| 18:19.24 | written | what could be wrong? |
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| 18:22.53 | C-Otto | greetings |
| 18:23.01 | mboeru | can anyone help me with a preseed problem, I'm trying to provision a server with 2 500G hdds and software RAID, but can't figure it out |
| 18:23.16 | C-Otto | i just started a server in recovery mode, but there are a lot of kernel error messages (ECC related) on the console |
| 18:23.23 | C-Otto | how can i disable these, so that i can fix the problem? |
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| 18:24.15 | C-Otto | quiet and loglevel= seemt o help |
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| 18:24.47 | belak | Just wondering, but what package is startx in? |
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| 18:29.39 | C-Otto | yep, quiet and loglevel=0 helped |
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| 18:29.58 | written | can anyone answer my question from above please? |
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| 18:30.43 | belak | actually, any idea why the radeon xorg driver wouldn't be autoloaded? |
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| 18:31.36 | levk | belax: if you want a graphical login screen you should install gdm |
| 18:31.52 | jhutchins_lt | written: I don't think you've given us enough information for anyone to answer. |
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| 18:33.13 | jhutchins_lt | !tell belak about search |
| 18:33.40 | written | jhutchins_lt, what else you need? |
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| 18:34.26 | nickaugust | im using my server with two NICs as a gateway and when i try to ssh from the server to a workstation its not connecting. i think its using the wrong interface but shows the following line: |
| 18:34.27 | nickaugust | 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 18:34.36 | nickaugust | which should be correct... |
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| 18:34.47 | belak | jhutchins_lt: thanks, but I found the package for startx... now I'm just running into an issue where xorg isn't autoloading the radeon driver |
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| 18:35.44 | jhutchins_lt | belak: Perhaps you need firmware? |
| 18:35.59 | belak | Firmware is loaded |
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| 18:36.05 | jelly-home | nickaugust: please pastebin the output of "ip a" and "ip r", or "ifconfig -a" and "route -n" if you don't have iproute installed; also state the IP adress of your workstation. are there any firewall settings anywhere on both endpoints or in between? |
| 18:36.14 | jhutchins_lt | written: I would guess more about what you're trying to do and how you're doing it. |
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| 18:37.00 | jhutchins_lt | belak: http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 18:37.20 | belak | That's odd... it autoloads in every other distro I've tried... |
| 18:37.21 | belak | Thanks |
| 18:37.52 | kreign | hi, I'm wondering if anyone here has debian 6 working with ldap authentication? I do, as wellas debian 5; however, 'passwd' doesn't work for me on debian 6 - it immediately returns me to the prompt saying credential error, and spits 'no such user in /etc/passwd' into the logs. the caveat is that i can change the user's ldap password as root on the machine. the configuration is exactly the same as the debian 5 machines, and those prompt with "Enter login(L |
| 18:37.52 | kreign | DAP) password:" which transgresses properly. |
| 18:38.05 | nickaugust | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/fvNTZqmZ ip of the workstation is 192.168.1.103. i'm using iptables. |
| 18:38.14 | nickaugust | jelly-home: no other firewalls installed |
| 18:38.37 | awaxa | nickaugust, you probably want to pastebin an iptables-save too then |
| 18:38.38 | mboeru | |
| 18:39.01 | nickaugust | oh wait... 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 18:39.03 | nickaugust | wtf |
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| 18:39.19 | nickaugust | how do i change that? |
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| 18:39.35 | jelly-home | nickaugust: is that incorrect? |
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| 18:40.15 | jelly-home | are you supposed to be using a different netmask? |
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| 18:41.30 | nickaugust | jelly-home: l |
| 18:41.43 | jelly-home | L! |
| 18:41.52 | nickaugust | jelly-home: i think the netmas should be 192.168.1.0/199 |
| 18:42.10 | jhutchins_lt | That would be unusual. |
| 18:42.16 | jelly-home | that's not valid at all, in fact |
| 18:42.18 | nickaugust | jelly-home: right? my dhcp server dolls out ips from 100-199 |
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| 18:42.24 | karlpinc_ | jhutchins_lt: Shall we say "odd"? |
| 18:42.32 | awaxa | nickaugust, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIDR |
| 18:42.39 | awaxa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIDR#Subnet_masks |
| 18:42.42 | awaxa | sorry, the second |
| 18:42.47 | nickaugust | jelly-home: (sorry im sshing from a truckstop wifi and its a bit shoddy) |
| 18:42.53 | simonlnu | nickaugust: you don't understand netmasks, do you? |
| 18:43.10 | nickaugust | simonlnu: im downloading the information into my head as we speak... |
| 18:43.23 | jelly-home | nickaugust: /24 denotes the netmask 255.255.255.0, the network segment 192.168.1.0/24 = everything between 192.168.1.0-255 |
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| 18:43.38 | jhutchins_lt | Everybody's gotta start somewhere. Some people never get it. |
| 18:43.44 | jelly-home | nickaugust: it's a common setting, and if I had to guess I'd say it's likely valid |
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| 18:44.04 | jelly-home | we need guns. Lots of guns. |
| 18:44.29 | nickaugust | jelly-home: ok thats correct then... so why cant i reach 192.168.1.103 from the server? hmm |
| 18:44.34 | ekontsevoy | Is it possible to swap left&right meta keys? (windows keys) with xmodmap? I know this sounds stupid, but gnome3 screws the left meta key, while the right one works. |
| 18:45.02 | jelly-home | nickaugust: that remains to be determined |
| 18:45.07 | simonlnu | jhutchins_lt: of course (gotta start somewhere) |
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| 18:45.59 | jelly-home | nickaugust: care to provide that iptables-save output as well? What do you mean by "reach"? Can you ping 192.168.1.103 from the server? Vice versa? |
| 18:46.44 | nickaugust | jelly-home: can't ping to 192.168.1.103 from the server but can ping the other way |
| 18:46.47 | nickaugust | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/weDiL5rJ |
| 18:46.52 | nickaugust | jelly-home: iptables-save ^ |
| 18:47.04 | nickaugust | i willing to bet its a problem between the keyboard and the chair |
| 18:47.26 | jhutchins_lt | nickaugust: Where did you get your iptables script? |
| 18:47.30 | smax | which package do I apt for iwlist, iwconfig |
| 18:47.58 | abrotman | !tell smax about apt-file |
| 18:48.01 | levk | erm lines 26-29 don't look right at all |
| 18:48.03 | nickaugust | jhutchins_lt: i think the debian wiki... |
| 18:48.12 | nickaugust | jhutchins_lt: but possibly random google result |
| 18:48.44 | jelly-home | nickaugust: I suggest getting rid of all the rules except the masquerading one and testing again. |
| 18:48.48 | jhutchins_lt | nickaugust: Suggestion: in the future if you do something like that put the source in the comments. |
| 18:48.50 | belak | Where should I go to post a bug about lxappearance segfaulting in testing? |
| 18:49.15 | abrotman | belak: man reportbug |
| 18:49.21 | simonlnu | belak: with reportbug to the bts |
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| 18:50.02 | jhutchins_lt | nickaugust: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
| 18:50.12 | nickaugust | heres the script http://pastebin.com/cEZvDA0W |
| 18:50.13 | jhutchins_lt | What kind of notation is that anyway? |
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| 18:50.28 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: what notation |
| 18:50.35 | th0mz | can anybody tell me how i could find see the current value of the "acregmax" option value in nhfs4, debian5 please ? |
| 18:50.39 | nickaugust | judd: thanks for the link ill check it out |
| 18:50.42 | nickaugust | errr |
| 18:50.46 | nickaugust | jhutchins_lt: ^ |
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| 18:51.17 | simonlnu | th0mz: i would imagine somewhere in /proc |
| 18:51.26 | rm-rf | ould be lame if that is the case |
| 18:51.29 | rm-rf | ... |
| 18:51.34 | rm-rf | wrong chan, sorry |
| 18:51.38 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Those numbers in the save file? |
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| 18:52.06 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: that's just normal iptables-save output |
| 18:52.11 | jhutchins_lt | nickaugust: I think you could improve your script. |
| 18:52.20 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: What do the numbers mean? |
| 18:52.21 | nickaugust | jhutchins_lt: OBVIOUSLY! hahah |
| 18:52.39 | jelly-home | nickaugust: without going into much detail, I think your rules are incomplete ;-) |
| 18:52.54 | jhutchins_lt | I dealt with this a lot several years ago but these days I use dd-wrt. |
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| 18:53.35 | nickaugust | guesses hes learning iptables today... |
| 18:53.39 | nickaugust | thanks for the help guys :) |
| 18:54.20 | th0mz | simonlnu: any idea where ? (found nothingà |
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| 18:55.06 | snitko | anyone proficient with postfix here: what settings option can help me set message-ID header format when sending email so that instead of `@domain.com.mail` it is `@mail.domain.com` ? It's weird. I definitely have set `myhostname=mail.domain.com` |
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| 18:57.02 | jhutchins_lt | snitko: #postfix ? |
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| 18:57.32 | snitko | right, thanks |
| 18:57.42 | jleclair | oigh. So, my USB hard drive is not detecting; at all. Doesn't show up in /dev or /dev/disk. I unplug it and wait 30 sec, plug it back in, and nothing in dmesg comes out. My mouse is USB, and that works, on the same port. Any ideas? I'm shooting in the dark here; it's an Asus N53S laptop |
| 18:58.40 | simonlnu | th0mz: find /proc/sys -iname '*acre*' ? |
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| 18:59.05 | Lasers | jleclair: "sudo fdisk -l" See if it shows up. |
| 18:59.42 | levk | jleclair: did this disk ever work? |
| 18:59.46 | Lasers | It could be your dead USB stick/hard drive. Just saying. |
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| 19:01.23 | jleclair | nope not in fdisk; and yes it did work at one point; two days ago in fact; i tried out gnome3 and some xcfe stuff, and now it doesn't work; but I cannot understand how playing with window managers ugh |
| 19:01.24 | jhutchins | jleclair: Are you plugging it in to a powered port? |
| 19:01.26 | jleclair | and it works in windows |
| 19:01.34 | jleclair | yes; full power through all |
| 19:01.54 | jleclair | power light turns on. hell, i can hear the hard drive spinning for a second |
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| 19:02.36 | jhutchins | jleclair: Can you verify that it works in windows today? |
| 19:02.39 | simonlnu | showing up in syslog? |
| 19:02.49 | jleclair | yes. I can flip a file in it in windows |
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| 19:03.12 | CrazyGir | hiya! does ufw run on debian? |
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| 19:03.42 | jhutchins | jleclair: You might try waiting a bit longer for it to show up in dmesg, but if it doesn't show up there it's some kind of hardware problem. dmesg should at least throw an error. |
| 19:04.27 | simonlnu | CrazyGir: yes |
| 19:05.35 | kfogel | How to force-set laptop screen refresh rate? Mine appears to have gotten slowed down (Debian 'testing' w/ Gnome3) after I used an external monitor once; now my screen flickers. Thinkpad support and other sources indicate that the OS may have sensed the slower refresh rate of the external screen but then saved it in firmware somewhere, hence it is now in effect for the laptop too (from bootup, even before OS loads, let alone X Windows). |
| 19:06.01 | jhutchins | kfogel: Did you try any of the things we suggested before? |
| 19:07.18 | kfogel | jhutchins: I'm pretty sure I've tried every suggestion I've gotten so far, but let me review my logs to make sure. |
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| 19:10.00 | jhutchins | kfogel: I believe I suggested trying xrandr |
| 19:10.04 | jhutchins | kfogel: There's also xvidtune |
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| 19:10.42 | kfogel | jhutchins: xrandr had no effect (well, it's a bit more complex than that: it says 70 or 75 aren't available for this size, which seems like it can't be true given that the problem wasn't present originally). |
| 19:10.50 | kfogel | jhutchins: didn't know about xvidtune though -- will try. |
| 19:10.59 | simonlnu | CrazyGir: next time, apt-cache search; also /msg dpkg search (in here) |
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| 19:12.51 | kfogel | jhutchins: hunh. xvidtune is a truly old-school interface :-). But it doesn't appear to have refresh rate controls. |
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| 19:13.15 | kfogel | jhutchins: btw there was nothing in BIOS about it |
| 19:13.54 | simonlnu | probably stored on a section of the nvram the bios doesn't access |
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| 19:16.24 | kfogel | simonlnu: could be |
| 19:17.58 | converge | can I run kvm on a linux (virtualbox) machine ? |
| 19:17.59 | kfogel | Hunh. Oddly, even if I set screen size to the next coarser 16:9 resolution (1360 x 768, instead of 1600 x 900), xrandr still says 75hz is "not available for this size". |
| 19:19.41 | jhutchins_lt | converge: You want to run a VM on a VM? |
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| 19:20.21 | Digdilem | should be technically possible (assuming low level is supplied by the master vm), although plainly a daft thing to do |
| 19:20.34 | somiaj | kfogel: have you looked up the specs of your monintor? The avaiable modelines (resolutions and refreshrates) are read from the monintors hardware. So unless its a driver problem it is possibaly that monintor isn't saying that is a valid mode. |
| 19:20.38 | converge | jhutchins_lt: yes, i need test kvm and i dont have a real machine here with linux |
| 19:21.11 | Digdilem | converge, if testing - that's not a good plan, since kvm will be expecting real hardware to do low level stuff with. you may not get accurate tests |
| 19:21.12 | jhutchins_lt | kfogel: Is there an xorg.conf in /etc/X11/ ? |
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| 19:22.11 | jhutchins_lt | converge: At best I would expect terrible performance, at worst serious virtual hardware issues. |
| 19:22.25 | kfogel | jhutchins_lt: hmm, no there isn't. |
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| 19:23.23 | kfogel | jhutchins_lt: (btw, since my last comments, I used Gnome's Display Settings tool to set to 1360x768; refresh rate still can't go up, and now if I try to go back to 1600x900 resolution, the screen goes garbagy and I have to wait for it to come back. A reboot may be in order soon :-) ). |
| 19:23.29 | jhutchins_lt | kfogel: About the only thing left then is to mess with the settings in Gnome (or whatever). It's not impossible that you physically damaged it. |
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| 19:23.58 | jhutchins_lt | kfogel: You could also try a live CD/USB, possibly a different distro, anything to get it knocked out of the rut. |
| 19:24.04 | kfogel | jhutchins_lt: hmmm. Thanks. Lenovo tech support person (who seemed quite clueful) was pretty sure there was no way to damage it, but who knows. |
| 19:24.06 | jhutchins_lt | kfogel: Did you check for a BIOS update? |
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| 19:24.30 | kfogel | jhutchins_lt: have tried booting other kernels; also tried adding "enable_mtrr_cleanup" to boot parameters. |
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| 19:24.55 | kfogel | jhutchins_lt: have not tried BIOS update yet -- wasn't obvious which ones were safe to grab, at the Lenovo site, so I decided not to risk that just yet. |
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| 19:27.01 | jhutchins_lt | kfogel: I don't know of anyone who's had trouble with the updates. |
| 19:27.20 | jhutchins_lt | kfogel: I administered a lot of thinkpads, they almost always had updates that did some good. |
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| 19:30.10 | kfogel | jhutchins_lt: thanks -- helps to know! |
| 19:30.33 | kfogel | jhutchins_lt: (I've never done a BIOS update, at least not that I can remember, so new territory for me.) |
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| 19:31.33 | phlogisto | Is it ok for all files in /home/user directory (and subdirectories) to have 640 and dirs and executables 750 permissions? Is there possibly any application that is not started by my user or anything but would need write permissions for some of files in my home folder? |
| 19:32.12 | kfogel | phlogisto: you refering to /home/phlogisto or whatever your username is? |
| 19:32.18 | phlogisto | yes |
| 19:32.41 | kfogel | phlogisto: I mean, there's nothing theoretically unsafe about it, but it's an odd situation -- I've never had something other than me that needed to have write permissions in my home dir. |
| 19:32.58 | kfogel | phlogisto: generally, if something needs dedicated write perms, one sets up a separate user for that thing to run as. |
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| 19:33.48 | somiaj | the public_html/ dir needs to be excutable/readable by apache for instance if you want yerdomain/~user/ to have a webpage. So there are instances where you need to give certain programs read ablity |
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| 19:34.47 | kfogel | phlogisto: yes -- *read* ability is often needed. write is a different matter. |
| 19:35.50 | phlogisto | kfogel somiaj , ok thanks. I accidentally chmoded all my user stuff to some nonsense and am reverting it to said permissions. I use separate user dirs for stuff like file sharing etc. |
| 19:36.21 | kfogel | phlogisto: cool |
| 19:36.40 | somiaj | its not uncommon to just make /home/users have 750 primisions so other users can snoope eachothers home dir and the like. For the most part that is enough to keep snoopers out. There are certain (though few) services that sometimes like to store info in the home directory of the users, but that can be worked around. |
| 19:37.03 | somiaj | s/can snoop/cannot snoop/ |
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| 19:39.25 | eni23 | hello at all. does soneone knows a good mini-pci-wlan device for debian. i need it for alix2-boards (http://pcengines.ch/alix2d13.htm) they should have power and mabye external antennal |
| 19:40.06 | phlogisto | somiaj, so if /home/users dir is 750 no one can snoop inside /home/users/stuff dir even if its 755? |
| 19:40.08 | eni23 | i wanna use it as wlan-router |
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| 19:41.25 | phlogisto | s/no one/only owner/ |
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| 19:43.40 | somiaj | phlogisto: correct, they will have to be able to execute and/or read the directory /home/user to be able to read/execute/write to anything on the inside of it. |
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| 19:44.46 | phlogisto | that's very practical to know, thanx somiaj |
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| 19:54.49 | cnz | is there a way I can find out what dirc is taking up so much diskspace? |
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| 19:57.05 | sanduz2 | cnz, ls -l and look for the highest |
| 19:57.32 | cnz | that would be a long list if I did thta on / |
| 19:57.46 | cnz | something is taking up roughly 4gigs |
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| 20:01.09 | Vasistha | if an ssh host changes, known_hosts seems to prevent me from logging into the new machine. How do I instruct ssh to delete the old host line? |
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| 20:01.31 | iman | it's necessary to restart ssh after changing sshd_config file content ? |
| 20:01.33 | inocid | which filesystem would you use for high volume streaming http (Apache) server with thousands of simultaneous read access attempts to small files? |
| 20:01.34 | somiaj | Vasistha: it should tell you the offending line numbers, just go delete the them. |
| 20:01.50 | Vasistha | somiaj: ahh so manually editing the known_hosts file is the way to go -- okay, thanks :) |
| 20:01.57 | somiaj | Vasistha: you can use a texteditor or script it into some tool, though I prefer the text editor, its simple enough |
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| 20:02.12 | Vasistha | somiaj: sed -i 11d |
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| 20:03.33 | levk | inocid: Apache will crash way before you startr hitting some bottleneck at file system |
| 20:04.38 | inocid | levk: for that I would use load balancing, but what would be the best underlying filesystem? |
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| 20:07.14 | somiaj | inocid: http://www.ilsistemista.net/index.php/linux-a-unix/21-ext3-ext4-xfs-and-btrfs-filesystems-comparison-on-linux-kernel-300.html -- ran across that a while ago if you are interested in benchmarks in various situtations |
| 20:07.33 | somiaj | inocid: overall conclusion is ext4 is just fine though others may shine in very specalized situations. |
| 20:09.07 | inocid | thanks for the link, checking it now |
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| 20:21.11 | thewanderer1 | guys, anyone remember what the GIMP plugin akin to the Smudge tool, but not quite it, was called? the one that lets you distort parts of image by inflating, deflating, or mashing into other parts... |
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| 20:22.08 | thewanderer1 | what I'm after is a point-and-click smudge that preserves the held image part, that is, allows for example moving face features around |
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| 20:22.34 | becker_11 | Can someone please explain to me why a file that measures 465bytes is taking up 32.8kilobytes on my hard drive |
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| 20:22.58 | somiaj | thewanderer1: have you tried asking the gimp comunity, either their mailing list or an irc chan if they have one? |
| 20:23.30 | thewanderer1 | nope, although I'm hoping to hit a large userbase here :P |
| 20:23.41 | somiaj | becker_11: what filesystem? FAT for instance has limitaions on block size of files and you have to only use whole number of blocks. |
| 20:23.44 | Vasistha | becker_11: I'm guess you've got a big block size. Each file, no matter how small, takes one block. If your block size is 32.8kb then that's what it will take |
| 20:24.07 | becker_11 | thewanderer1, seems there is a large user base in #gimp |
| 20:24.20 | becker_11 | somiaj, both ntfs and ext4 |
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| 20:25.06 | somiaj | becker_11: yea, block sizes are common, though my expereince is FAT had the largest and least configurable sizes. |
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| 20:25.24 | becker_11 | Vasistha, even large files are affected I have an iso which is 674mg & it's using 5.4gb |
| 20:25.47 | kurkale6ka | Hi, is it possible to downgrade from testing to stable? |
| 20:25.58 | Vasistha | becker_11: uh, that is very strange |
| 20:26.07 | becker_11 | somiaj, Vasistha is it possible to for example re install debian and configure mkfs to use a smaller block size? |
| 20:26.11 | Vasistha | becker_11: are you sure you've got those sizes right? how are you measuring them? |
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| 20:26.30 | becker_11 | Vasistha, right click on iso select properties |
| 20:26.39 | Vasistha | "click". |
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| 20:27.00 | becker_11 | Vasistha, isn't that what I said? |
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| 20:27.31 | somiaj | becker_11: you can modify a filesystem without reinstalling it by tune2fs -- though I'm unsure on details with changing blocksize. For the most part hd space is cheap I don't care about a few kilobytes. (: |
| 20:27.34 | Vasistha | I don't suppose there could be a bit/byte thing happening? I kinda wouldn't expect that |
| 20:27.54 | Vasistha | somiaj: yeah but he's saying a 600 MB file is taking 5.4 GB |
| 20:28.10 | thewanderer1 | becker_11, what does calling `du -h filename` tell you, where filename is the file you want to know the size of? |
| 20:28.11 | becker_11 | somiaj, do you call a 674mg iso taking 5.4gb a few kilobytes? |
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| 20:28.24 | tabakhase | hm, decent way to add additional gateways? atm my /etc/networking/interfaces is saying gateway 10.15.255.254, i would like to add 10.0.0.254 as an aditional gateway "when 10.15. dies" - 'balancing' between both gateways would be okay too |
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| 20:28.47 | rypervenche | kurkale6ka: Not really. Reinstall :P |
| 20:29.19 | kurkale6ka | rypervenche: :( |
| 20:29.26 | becker_11 | thewanderer1, it tells me command not found but the df -h command alone works |
| 20:29.41 | becker_11 | thewanderer1, just saw my mistake hang on |
| 20:29.45 | Vasistha | becker_11: du not found?? |
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| 20:29.56 | kurkale6ka | ok, then, can I install padevchooser in testing? |
| 20:30.00 | Vasistha | becker_11: what version of debian are you using? |
| 20:30.03 | kurkale6ka | rypervenche: ^^ |
| 20:30.15 | Vasistha | becker_11: you didn't put a ` on the line did you? |
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| 20:30.25 | becker_11 | thewanderer1, it shows 644mg when the properties dialog shows 674 for file size |
| 20:30.38 | becker_11 | Vasistha, squeeze |
| 20:30.39 | thewanderer1 | becker_11, that is about right |
| 20:30.51 | Vasistha | becker_11: wait, what happened to 5.4 GB? |
| 20:30.55 | thewanderer1 | might be a unit mismatch somewhere |
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| 20:31.02 | thewanderer1 | (between 644 and 674) |
| 20:31.14 | becker_11 | Vasistha, I did df -h filename instead of du -h I didn't read the line properly the first time |
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| 20:31.47 | becker_11 | thewanderer1, so can I safely assume the file is only taking up somewhere between 644 & 674 mg on my drive |
| 20:32.13 | thewanderer1 | becker_11, yes... read du's manpage if you want to know exactly what units it measures in |
| 20:32.19 | becker_11 | Vasistha, the 5.4gb is the size returned by thunar my file manager for the isos apparent size on disk |
| 20:32.31 | Vasistha | becker_11: I am guessing thunar is an idiot |
| 20:32.35 | jhutchins_lt | becker_11: mg is usually the abbriviation for Milligrams. Do you mean megabytes? |
| 20:32.46 | thewanderer1 | hmm, I got an idea... maybe Thunar is assuming 4KB blocks and his blocks are really *smaller*? |
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| 20:33.01 | becker_11 | jhoepken, obviously computer files can't be in milligrams |
| 20:33.27 | jhutchins_lt | Perhaps a file that was originally a CD iso was converted to a DVD iso. |
| 20:34.11 | becker_11 | okay correction thunar reports 644mg I was using pcmanfm which i installed last night and it was reporting the 674/5.4 difference |
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| 20:34.25 | jhutchins_lt | becker_11: There are various tools for determining a file size, ls, du |
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| 20:34.47 | jhutchins_lt | becker_11: They also come with unit switches that may convert bytes to megabytes. |
| 20:34.50 | Mantheman | http://bit.ly/uPBolO |
| 20:35.03 | Mantheman | http://bit.ly/uPBolOhttp://bit.ly/uPBolO |
| 20:35.04 | Mantheman | http://bit.ly/uPBolO |
| 20:35.12 | jhutchins_lt | becker_11: There is also the question of whether a megabyte is a thousand kilobytes or 1024k. |
| 20:35.12 | becker_11 | jhutchins, yeah du -h just returned 644mg whic thunar agrees with but pcmanfm returns 674 for some reason |
| 20:35.38 | thewanderer1 | ^ the reason for disagreement between thunar/du and pcmanfm |
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| 20:36.24 | becker_11 | jhutchins, true but given the initial difference ie 674mg to 5.4gb I didn't bother checking that as it wouldn't alter the result enough to make a difference |
| 20:36.38 | becker_11 | thewanderer1, good point |
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| 20:37.04 | becker_11 | I only installed pcmanfm for it's tabbed interface which is missng in thunar |
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| 20:37.23 | Vasistha | becker_11: you may be dealing with the difference between 1000 and 1024 also. If some tool takes the size in bytes and divides by 10^6 rather than 2^20 then it will report file sizes differently. |
| 20:37.30 | thewanderer1 | terminal emulators have tabs... hint hint :) |
| 20:37.40 | Vasistha | becker_11: and that's a separate issue from blocksize and the number of blocks taken |
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| 20:37.54 | jhutchins_lt | There was some common tool that always reported file sizes in blocks - which was odd when they were 512b blocks. |
| 20:38.03 | becker_11 | thewanderer1, don't need them in a terminal that's what screen is for :-) |
| 20:38.39 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt, that's du, but it can be made to behave :P |
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| 20:39.20 | becker_11 | tbh I was only worried that the hd I previously thought was huge was going to be filled up significantly faster now that I've checked things with "du" I can relax. |
| 20:39.29 | becker_11 | once I've uninstalled pcmanfm that is |
| 20:39.57 | Vasistha | becker_11: you can also run df to see how much space is actually being used on the whole device, rather than on a per-file basis |
| 20:40.41 | thewanderer1 | also, hard links screw up your calculations completely :) |
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| 20:41.19 | becker_11 | thewanderer1, yeah true |
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| 20:44.03 | DimmuR | anyone here using notebook with nvidia optimus technology (intel + nvidia card) ? |
| 20:44.58 | thewanderer1 | DimmuR, yes, I disabled the NVIDIA one because it was sucking up battery and it's not very well supported anyway (+ binary blobs) :P |
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| 20:46.02 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Yeah, that was probably it, I just got in the habit of -h |
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| 20:46.18 | DimmuR | thewanderer1, thanks for info - even if it's not what i wanted to hear :( i'm searching for notebook with good gpu that works on linux |
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| 20:47.53 | thewanderer1 | DimmuR, forget it - it even works craptacularly on Windows. get one with a dedicated GPU that doesn't give you problems... |
| 20:48.35 | thewanderer1 | also, I can cook bacon on it when under load |
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| 20:53.31 | CraiK | hi |
| 20:53.42 | CraiK | what makes debian a better distribution than others |
| 20:53.51 | valdyn | !why debian |
| 20:53.51 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian) http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 20:54.26 | CraiK | thanks |
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| 21:05.16 | qckheavy | how should i configure a ppeo server in debian? |
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| 21:09.02 | daniela | where can i modify grub parameters? i have no /boot/grub/menu.lst in my debian |
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| 21:10.45 | abrotman | daniela: which parameters? |
| 21:11.14 | daniela | i don't want to wait at boot. i have only debian on this eeepc |
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| 21:11.38 | Justin | daniela: /etc/default/grub ? |
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| 21:12.00 | hgosch | i'm getting this error when i run apt-get update... |
| 21:12.05 | hgosch | http://paste.debian.net/148371/ |
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| 21:12.11 | hgosch | what is happenning? |
| 21:12.29 | M0TRN_th1 | I used to use Ubuntu for my laptops but I upgraded to debian wheezy, however now when I access smb via the gnome shell it doesn't get mounted under ~/.gvfs any more and when I paste a file to another program or the command line it pastes the smb:// url instead of /home/xx/.gvfs/whatever |
| 21:12.31 | daniela | Justin, thanks a lot |
| 21:12.35 | Justin | hgosch: aptcache.tocici.com is broken? |
| 21:12.40 | M0TRN_th1 | how can I change that behaviour so I can open smb:// files with all programs? |
| 21:12.58 | hgosch | Justin, i don't know what is aptcache.tocici.com... |
| 21:13.09 | hgosch | this is sources.list: |
| 21:13.47 | AimHere | does a slow motion 'NOOOOO' as hgosch pastes into #debian |
| 21:14.04 | Justin | hgosch: you don't? who installed debian on your system? |
| 21:14.10 | hgosch | http://paste.debian.net/148376/ |
| 21:14.20 | hgosch | it's a vps... |
| 21:14.27 | Justin | gusnan: grep aptcache.tocici.com -r /etc |
| 21:14.33 | Justin | gusnan: well, your VPS provider is having issues |
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| 21:15.48 | hgosch | http://paste.debian.net/148379/ |
| 21:15.50 | gusnan | Justin, that was meant for hgosch, no? |
| 21:15.54 | Justin | probably |
| 21:15.56 | Justin | i'm tired :)( |
| 21:16.03 | gusnan | :) |
| 21:16.05 | hgosch | hm, it seems i'm under a proxy... |
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| 21:16.19 | Justin | hgosch: what gave you that idea? :) |
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| 21:16.44 | hgosch | the outuput of the command you asked me to run... |
| 21:16.53 | hgosch | [19:15] <hgosch> http://paste.debian.net/148379/ |
| 21:17.07 | Justin | hgosch: it was a joke :-P |
| 21:17.22 | hgosch | what should i do with this 02proxy file? |
| 21:17.23 | hgosch | kkkkk |
| 21:17.24 | hgosch | sorry |
| 21:17.30 | hgosch | delete? or edit? |
| 21:17.42 | Justin | hgosch: move it/comment it out for the time being, and ask your VPS provider what is up |
| 21:17.49 | hgosch | ok |
| 21:17.52 | hgosch | i'll do it |
| 21:17.53 | hgosch | thx! |
| 21:18.12 | Justin | if you get charged for bandwidth you'll want to use the proxy for updates |
| 21:18.55 | hgosch | afaik, i have 'unlimited' bandwidth... |
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| 21:21.58 | dwfreed | hgosch: it's probably there because your VPS provider runs their own apt-cache repo, to reduce how much bandwidth is used for downloading packages; it's completely safe to leave it there and it |
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| 21:22.08 | dwfreed | 'll likely make your VPS provider happier |
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| 21:24.46 | DEAD|VGA | i would like to execute a command when a user logs in and execute a command when a user logs out, actuall I need to run a program when no users are logged in, and stop it when a user logs in |
| 21:24.54 | DEAD|VGA | I have no idea how to |
| 21:25.06 | M0TRN_th1 | "rippin' the plumbing out of your walls for money is .. fucked@ |
| 21:25.28 | DEAD|VGA | it aint so bad |
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| 21:25.53 | DEAD|VGA | just get those cabinets and that sheetrock ripped out |
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| 21:42.06 | qckheavy | if i install a pppeo server on my debian then i'm technicly an isp? can i connect with a DSL modem to debian then ? |
| 21:42.09 | qckheavy | to use the internet? |
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| 21:43.23 | yazdmich | ok |
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| 21:47.12 | thewanderer1 | !why is mariadb not in debian |
| 21:47.12 | dpkg | thewanderer1: what are you talking about? |
| 21:47.20 | thewanderer1 | !why is mariadb not in wheezy |
| 21:47.20 | dpkg | mariadb is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=mariadb |
| 21:47.54 | thewanderer1 | hmm, so, any particular reason we're stuck with MySQL rather than MariaDB? |
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| 21:49.47 | tharkun | I have some stupid huge files that i need to transfer what is the most efficient compressor debian has on its repos? |
| 21:51.26 | rypervenche | tharkun: Probably xz or p7zip |
| 21:51.46 | thewanderer1 | tharkun, keep in mind it won't work for already compressed data such as JPEG :P |
| 21:52.11 | tharkun | rypervenche: thanks trying it now |
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| 21:52.28 | tharkun | thewanderer1: even a 1% size reduction is meaningfull at this stage |
| 21:52.48 | thewanderer1 | uh huh, ok... |
| 21:52.50 | rypervenche | tharkun: I'm not sure that 7z can keep permissions though, you'd have to tar it first if I remember correctly. There are guides on the net though. |
| 21:53.24 | Bogus8 | Anyone here using 3ware 3d2m? I all of a sudden can't get the web interface to come up. Process is running and netstat shows that it's listening, but I timeout when connecting (via LAN). Only thing I've done differently is installed apache and php (and assorted stuff). |
| 21:53.31 | tharkun | rypervenche: thanks I'll keep that in ming |
| 21:53.36 | tharkun | s/g/d/ |
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| 21:56.32 | yazdmich | why does the minimal netinstall image use the i386 build? |
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| 21:59.00 | thewanderer1 | yazdmich, because you downloaded an i386 image... |
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| 22:04.59 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 22:05.04 | ZenWalker | why lxdm is not on debian? |
| 22:05.20 | zinx | !info lxdm |
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| 22:05.37 | zinx | dunno. |
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| 22:07.46 | Dea | Hello I didn't update my debian since 2 years ago |
| 22:07.59 | streuner | fine :-) |
| 22:08.17 | Dea | How can I now update it :D ? |
| 22:08.20 | streuner | and whats the question? :-/ |
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| 22:08.32 | streuner | man apt? |
| 22:08.38 | Dea | because apt-get update |
| 22:08.41 | Dea | doesn't work :D |
| 22:08.43 | MrFrood | zinx: just use xdm or slim if you want something light |
| 22:08.54 | MrFrood | er ZenWalker |
| 22:09.02 | streuner | Dea: huh |
| 22:09.05 | Dea | I think all links changed :) |
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| 22:09.30 | streuner | Dea. please show us your sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 22:12.35 | streuner | Dea, dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 |
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| 22:13.26 | streuner | Dea, after 2 years, you should read releasenotes as well |
| 22:14.12 | Dea | http://pastebin.com/BxDfqTA5 |
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| 22:14.36 | Dea | ii libc6 2.7-12 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 22:14.37 | streuner | Dea, /msg dpkg release notes |
| 22:14.46 | streuner | judd, versions libc6 |
| 22:14.48 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; sid: 2.13-21; wheezy: 2.13-21 |
| 22:15.03 | streuner | hm, thats not even lenny |
| 22:15.10 | streuner | omg |
| 22:15.39 | streuner | Dea, is that a production machine? |
| 22:15.43 | Bogus8 | Anyone here using 3ware 3d2m? I all of a sudden can't get the web interface to come up. Process is running and netstat shows that it's listening, but I timeout when connecting (via LAN). Only thing I've done differently is installed apache and php (and assorted stuff). |
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| 22:16.15 | Dea | streuner: a production of what ? :D |
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| 22:17.08 | streuner | Dea, production machine means in my terms, something which should be stable and you earn money with it |
| 22:17.37 | Dea | No i don't earn money with it |
| 22:17.49 | converge | is samba still the best file server ? |
| 22:17.57 | streuner | why is it still etch then? |
| 22:18.14 | Dea | it's the computer of my little brother, just for going to websites |
| 22:18.20 | Dea | and playing supertux |
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| 22:18.49 | streuner | Dea, just read <release notes> then an upgrade to squeeze/stable |
| 22:18.57 | streuner | s/an/and/ |
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| 22:19.35 | diabel | Hello |
| 22:19.52 | diabel | Is there anybody who can tell my why I've got elibc not glibc? :| |
| 22:19.59 | diabel | after installation? |
| 22:20.08 | streuner | its the same |
| 22:20.14 | bzed | !eglibc |
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| 22:20.18 | dpkg | methinks eglibc is the new <libc> in Debian, see http://blog.aurel32.net/?p=47 and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/05/msg00175.html |
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| 22:20.41 | Dea | what is the name for knowing the version of my debian ? |
| 22:20.50 | streuner | !version |
| 22:20.50 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 22:21.06 | streuner | Dea, well, i prefer sources.list |
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| 22:21.41 | streuner | Dea, but usually you need the version of libc6 |
| 22:22.24 | Dea | the doc explains how to update from 5.0 |
| 22:22.29 | Dea | I have 4.0 :D |
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| 22:22.39 | streuner | stable is 6 |
| 22:22.52 | jhutchins_lt | !etch->lenny |
| 22:23.03 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: etch->lenny? |
| 22:23.03 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date, ask me about <etch sources.list> (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Then ask me about <lenny sources.list>. aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>. |
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| 22:24.24 | streuner | Dea, anyway you running etch, just follow the advice of dpkg |
| 22:25.12 | streuner | Dea, you dont run a production machine, so just change your sources.list to stable (/msg dpkg sources.list) |
| 22:26.12 | streuner | Dea, release notes shouldnt be *that* important then |
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| 22:31.16 | Dea | streuner: thanks |
| 22:31.21 | streuner | np |
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| 22:32.55 | S1kx | hey... my friend tried to install munin from the source, after which i removed it with make clean and looking manually if all files are removed. after that i tried to install munin and munin-node from the packages, but i always get the error: Starting Munin-Node:ERROR: Cannot open '/etc/opt/munin/munin-node.conf': No such file or directory at /usr/sbin/munin-node line 73 |
| 22:33.00 | S1kx | then i deleted the munin user and group |
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| 22:33.38 | S1kx | how can the config from the src apply to the packages? how can i find the leftovers? locate munin shows nothing anymore |
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| 22:38.34 | gnarface | S1kx: next time use checkinstall |
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| 22:41.21 | kurkale6ka | hi, I have installed debian on testing but I can't get the micro on my webcam to work |
| 22:41.31 | kurkale6ka | sky I mean |
| 22:41.38 | kurkale6ka | skype :) |
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| 22:42.12 | abrotman | ask the skype support people |
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| 22:52.41 | jhutchins_lt | Little things like actually typing the command correctly can make all the difference. |
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| 22:53.39 | S1kx | gnarface: how exactly |
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| 22:57.06 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions munin |
| 22:57.07 | judd | Package: munin on i386 -- lenny: 1.2.6-10~lenny2; lenny-backports: 1.4.5-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.4.5-3; squeeze-backports: 1.4.6-1~bpo60+1; sid: 1.4.6-2; wheezy: 1.4.6-2; experimental: 1.999.4508-1 |
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| 22:58.20 | jhutchins_lt | S1kx: gnarface meant to use chkinstall which is a wrapper for "make install" work. It's usually better to build and install debian packages, especially for supported software like munin. |
| 22:58.32 | S1kx | oh.. yes |
| 22:58.47 | jhutchins_lt | S1kx: What I'm guessing is that you need to set up a config file to configure it so it will know what you want it to do, and without you creating a config file it won't run. |
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| 22:59.24 | jhutchins_lt | S1kx: You can check /usr/share/doc/munin*/README.Debian which should say what it needs. |
| 22:59.33 | S1kx | jhutchins_lt: well the problem is that even after purging the packages etc etc, when I install the package - it uses the env vars previously defined in the Makefile.config of the source code install |
| 22:59.57 | jhutchins_lt | S1kx: How do you know that's where they're from? |
| 23:00.07 | yazdmich | LILO or GRUB? |
| 23:00.15 | jhutchins_lt | S1kx: Wouldn't it make sense that those variables were the same? |
| 23:00.19 | S1kx | jhutchins: if I change them, do another make install from the source code, delete it again, and try to install the package again it complains about the path |
| 23:00.24 | jhutchins_lt | yazdmich: lilo |
| 23:00.34 | S1kx | jhutchins_lt: Yes but they shouldnt be exported, no? |
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| 23:01.17 | jhutchins_lt | S1kx: I think you need to be more careful about what your make install steps are doing. |
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| 23:01.23 | yazdmich | does LILO have a smaller memory footprint? |
| 23:01.48 | abrotman | yazdmich: when? |
| 23:01.49 | jhutchins_lt | yazdmich: Since it's just a bootloader it hardly matters. |
| 23:02.02 | abrotman | yazdmich: grub2, not grub or lilo |
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| 23:03.08 | jhutchins_lt | S1kx: The problem is that without messing with a munin build ourselves, we can't know what you've done to your system or what you're seeing. I think what's actually happening may be different from what you think is happening. |
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| 23:03.54 | S1kx | jhutchins_lt: well I dont want to use the source code install at all, as said my friend tried to install it there before, and im obviously trying to get rid of what it has done |
| 23:04.11 | S1kx | jhutchins_lt: im trying to clean what it has done so i can do a clean package install |
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| 23:04.41 | S1kx | but all that was done was get source code, make && make install, then make clean and manually removing the files it has created again and apt-get install munin munin-node |
| 23:04.50 | S1kx | then the package install tries to access logs at different locations |
| 23:05.04 | S1kx | updatedb && locate munin doesnt show anything apart from the source dir |
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| 23:06.23 | abrotman | where did it install to? |
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| 23:07.01 | S1kx | to the dirs that are defined in Makefile.config of the source directory |
| 23:07.11 | S1kx | I dont get though why that affects the package |
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| 23:08.24 | cdahmedeh | alright found cause of random segfaults: the wireless card, this is halarious, there is only memory corruption, when the wireless card is activated |
| 23:08.26 | cdahmedeh | how funny is that? |
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| 23:22.06 | namidark | I'm having a hard time finding an answer on google... somehow my routes or ifconfig is messed up; I get destinatino host unreachable when I try to ping my gateway (or anything) |
| 23:22.15 | namidark | destination* |
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| 23:22.22 | ZenWalker | hi |
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| 23:23.05 | ZenWalker | I can not see hddtemp on xfce4-sensor-plugin |
| 23:23.09 | ZenWalker | please, help me |
| 23:23.29 | somiaj | namidark: have you done anything to them? Or is this just a wifi with dhcp fetching its ip? |
| 23:23.33 | jhutchins_lt | S1kx: If what you think is happening is actually happening, build the software with the settings that match the debian package, remove it, install the packae and you should be fine. |
| 23:23.55 | jhutchins_lt | S1kx: If I were you I would look at the makefile and see what is actually happening first though. |
| 23:23.57 | namidark | somiaj: its a virtual machine -- it has been working but just recently its been randomly losing its eth0 connection and will require a ton of reboots / random fixes |
| 23:24.09 | namidark | I'm out of random fixes this time :) |
| 23:24.18 | jhutchins_lt | cdahmedeh: Yep, sometimes it's bad hardware. |
| 23:25.04 | cdahmedeh | very bad hardware |
| 23:25.10 | jhutchins_lt | namidark: It could be a problem with the host. |
| 23:25.10 | cdahmedeh | like it's clearly the wireless card |
| 23:25.20 | cdahmedeh | as soon as disable it no more crashes |
| 23:25.23 | cdahmedeh | i'd love to change it |
| 23:25.25 | namidark | jhutchins_lt: :\ how would I be able to tell? |
| 23:25.38 | jhutchins_lt | ZenWalker: What makes you think the sensor is there? |
| 23:25.38 | cdahmedeh | but this crap thinkpad bios has a pcie card whitelist |
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| 23:26.23 | jhutchins_lt | cdahmedeh: First off, thinkpads are some of the best laptops available, so calling one crap does not lend you credibility. |
| 23:27.00 | ZenWalker | I am spanish, my english is bad, sorry |
| 23:27.07 | jhutchins_lt | cdahmedeh: Second, every think pad I've worked on (LOTS) shipped with a BIOS that had problems, but the BIOS update that was available by the time it was delivered fixed pretty much everything. |
| 23:27.18 | cdahmedeh | thats what i'm calling crap, the bios |
| 23:27.20 | ZenWalker | jhutchins_lt: you understand my question? |
| 23:27.49 | jhutchins_lt | ZenWalker: What makes you think there is a sensor on the hard drive? |
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| 23:28.09 | JordiGH | How do you install truetype fonts system wide? |
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| 23:28.19 | JordiGH | So that e.g. GTK+ apps can use them. |
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| 23:28.52 | jhutchins_lt | ZenWalker: The xfce4-sensor-program probably uses the lm-sensors drivers to read motherboard data from the BIOS, but probably wouldn't know about a temperature sensor on a drive if there was one. |
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| 23:29.02 | jhutchins_lt | ZenWalker: The SMARTtools might be able to read it. |
| 23:29.07 | namidark | jhutchins_lt: lspci shows an Ethernet adapter as well if that helps |
| 23:29.12 | streuner | JordiGH: /msg dpkg truetype ? |
| 23:29.20 | ZenWalker | jhutchins_lt: |
| 23:29.21 | ZenWalker | $ sudo hddtemp /dev/sda2 |
| 23:29.21 | ZenWalker | /dev/sda2: ST31000528AS: 30°C |
| 23:29.59 | ZenWalker | jhutchins_lt: on gnome, I can see the temp, with xfce I can not see |
| 23:30.06 | jhutchins_lt | ZenWalker: a) If that requires sudo, how's an xfce pluging going to read it? b) Looks like it's time to dig into the docs for the xfce-sensors applet. |
| 23:30.14 | JordiGH | streuner: so... rtfm fontconfig? |
| 23:30.52 | streuner | JordiGH: so you say, it isnt enough to just install truetype fonts? |
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| 23:31.57 | JordiGH | What does "install truetype fonts" mean? |
| 23:32.01 | JordiGH | I went to the web. |
| 23:32.07 | JordiGH | I found tehfontz.ttf |
| 23:32.10 | JordiGH | What do I do with it now? |
| 23:32.11 | cdahmedeh | jhutchins, you think it's safe to just downgrade the iwlwifi firmware package and lock it? |
| 23:32.31 | jhutchins_lt | ZenWalker: Are you running it as a daemon? |
| 23:33.00 | jhutchins_lt | cdahmedeh: The first thing I'd do is check for a bios update and apply it. |
| 23:33.12 | cdahmedeh | i have the latest bios update already |
| 23:33.19 | jhutchins_lt | cdahmedeh: Is this changed behavior after a kernel update? Which one are you running? |
| 23:33.34 | cdahmedeh | 3.1.0-686-pae |
| 23:33.39 | cdahmedeh | debian wheezy |
| 23:33.48 | cdahmedeh | i can't recall when it started |
| 23:34.09 | cdahmedeh | i've had issues with these intel wifi cards for a long time... |
| 23:34.19 | abrotman | i have that kernel with iwlwifi .. not having issues |
| 23:34.31 | cdahmedeh | it could be faulty hardware |
| 23:34.45 | cdahmedeh | i have some non-intel wireless card lying around |
| 23:34.49 | cdahmedeh | but the lenovo bios blocks it |
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| 23:35.33 | cdahmedeh | keep in mind that i have great luck with hardware /sarcasm |
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| 23:35.39 | cdahmedeh | i have a thinkpad, and it got serviced twice |
| 23:35.58 | cdahmedeh | anyways let me see if the firmware downgrade solves anything |
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| 23:36.12 | abrotman | i have a thinkpad also |
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| 23:36.45 | henaaque | what's the best alternative to cpanel (a free alternative, of course..)? |
| 23:37.03 | WilliamWS | cpanel from where? |
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| 23:37.25 | ZenWalker | jhutchins_lt: yes |
| 23:37.27 | henaaque | cpanel from whm, web servers and stuff |
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| 23:38.02 | ZenWalker | I can see on my http://127.0.0.1:7634 the temp |
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| 23:39.38 | namidark | Anyone have any ideas on network config issues? I can't ping my gateway or anything else :\ and if I change the config from static to dhcp I'm getting only a ipv6 addr (when it should be ipv4) |
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| 23:40.49 | henaaque | what's a segmentation fault? |
| 23:41.02 | henaaque | root@emvbase:~# aptitude updateSegmentation fault |
| 23:41.12 | civillian | namidark: any more info? OS version? network layout? |
| 23:41.22 | streuner | JordiGH: http://wiki.debian.org/TrueType |
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| 23:41.39 | civillian | henaaque: My understanding is that a process attempted to write to memory outside of the allocated range |
| 23:41.44 | MisterKpak | DUUUUUUH HOW DO I GET ON IRC! |
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| 23:42.03 | WilliamWS | MisterPack you bad ahahaha |
| 23:42.16 | WilliamWS | MisterKpak you bad ahahaha |
| 23:42.17 | henaaque | civillian, and how do i fix it? |
| 23:42.38 | namidark | civillian: debian 6 -- virtual machine bridged adapter; its been flakey on working, sometimes it will sometimes it wont |
| 23:42.40 | civillian | henaaque: it's either a bug in the code or bad hardware imho |
| 23:42.43 | namidark | civillian: host has no network issues |
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| 23:43.38 | civillian | namidark: which hypervisor are you using? |
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| 23:44.00 | henaaque | i discovered that this is because i'm out of ram... |
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| 23:44.01 | namidark | civillian: vmware |
| 23:44.09 | Joesigal41 | WHAT IS THIS http://bit.ly/uPBolO ! |
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| 23:44.09 | henaaque | how do i check running processes? |
| 23:45.07 | somiaj | henaaque: what do you mean? 'top' gives you info about running processes and their ram/cpu ussage |
| 23:45.38 | namidark | civillian: route -n shows it pointing to 192.168.1.0 as the destination with 0.0.0.0 as gateway |
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| 23:45.43 | namidark | civillian: think that might be it :\? |
| 23:45.49 | civillian | namidark: have you tried static IP for the VM? |
| 23:46.10 | namidark | civillian: err but then the 2nd line it has 0.0.0.0 and 192.168.1.1 as the destination / gateway |
| 23:46.14 | namidark | civillian: yeah |
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| 23:46.27 | namidark | civillian: if i do dhcp it just brings up an ipv6 IP somehow |
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| 23:46.57 | civillian | namidark: is it a link-local v6 address? if so that's normal |
| 23:47.09 | namidark | civillian: not sure :) probably |
| 23:47.12 | yagoo | rainfyre, hows dat bash goin? |
| 23:48.09 | Dagger3 | namidark: if it begins with fe80:: (or more strictly if ifconfig reports Scope:Link), it's a link-local; feel free to ignore it |
| 23:48.24 | civillian | namidark: if you're new to netwoking I suggest reading up on some basics |
| 23:48.43 | namidark | civillian: not terribly new ;) |
| 23:48.49 | civillian | namidark: those two lines you mentioned from route -n sound fine to me, provided your gateway is 192.168.1.1 |
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| 23:48.54 | namidark | it is |
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| 23:49.04 | namidark | and the ethernet adapter shows up in lspci |
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| 23:49.49 | civillian | namidark: what does flakey mean anyway? |
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| 23:50.03 | henaaque | civillian, that's it... |
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| 23:50.12 | namidark | civillian: it would work for a few days then it'd get hosed and I'd have to reboot / bring the interface up and down a bunch before it would stick |
| 23:50.24 | rainfyre | yagoo: slow and steady! :) |
| 23:50.35 | rainfyre | yagoo: I'm learning the virtues of tmux |
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| 23:50.55 | civillian | namidark: try some troubleshooting when it fails rather than simply rebooting, you might find the real issue |
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| 23:51.12 | namidark | civillian: im out of ideas on trouble shooting :( |
| 23:52.09 | Vespakoen_ | Hey guys, im trying to do something that isnt done very often i guess =P i have a macbook and run debian in a VM to resemble the "live server" besides that i have some other reasons for doing it, but they are irrelevant for my question; i have shared a folder on my mac, and i want to mount it in debian, in debian i have a webserver that i can reach from my mac |
| 23:52.16 | civillian | namidark: well you can try several things, ie static assignment of IP / routes, use arp and mii-tool to check layer 1 + 2 etc |
| 23:52.38 | abrotman | Vespakoen_: i think you were truncated .. |
| 23:52.53 | Vespakoen_ | the thing is, i successfully mounted with afp, but coulnt specify a user of group for the folder that was mounted |
| 23:52.53 | abrotman | Vespakoen_: and sshfs is probably teh easiest way |
| 23:53.25 | Vespakoen_ | i cant get samba up an running yet, but, is it even possible to mount my mac directory with a certain user + group |
| 23:54.33 | Vespakoen_ | i have aptituded sshfs already, but didnt use it yet, will i be able to "mount / access" the mac files with a certain user + group |
| 23:54.49 | namidark | civillian: static works in the sense that it gets a ipv4 address; but then I get destination host unreachable when pinging |
| 23:54.49 | Vespakoen_ | i even considered dropbox, just syncing them =P |
| 23:55.08 | rainfyre | yagoo: do you use either tmux or screen? |
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| 23:56.12 | abrotman | Vespakoen_: did you read the docs? |
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| 23:56.23 | yagoo | rainfyre, i haven't really looked into tmux.. but i do use screen -RR as an alias :) |
| 23:56.43 | civillian | namidark: ping is only tells you if layers 1-3 are working, or not. if it's not working you need to use other methods to work out which layer is failing and why. |
| 23:56.50 | cdahmedeh | jhutchins_lt, downgrading the wifi firmware works (-: |
| 23:56.53 | hikenboot | Hello I am using debian and running KVM on debian..I am wondering if there is a way to make shared quarum disks for nodes of a Microsoft CLuster Service CLuster (MSCS Cluster) anyone ever done this on debian using KVM..a doc or anything that might help in this area? |
| 23:56.57 | Vespakoen_ | docs for ? |
| 23:57.27 | rainfyre | yagoo: ok. I like tmux but want to learn screen better |
| 23:58.02 | hikenboot | How do i create quarum resource disks using KVM on debian so the nodes of the cluster know what the heck is going on with the disks |
| 23:58.06 | nkuttler | tmux can't resize the view yet, can it? not really useful |
| 23:58.22 | yagoo | rainfyre, it's not much.. it's pretty much 3 or 4 shortcuts i use.. the default help for screen can be seen with ctl-a,? (? is the second keystroke of the sequence) |
| 23:58.37 | hikenboot | in vmware land there is a special format for the disk and disk.locking has to be disabled |
| 23:58.57 | hikenboot | and disk memmory caching has to be disabled |
| 23:59.00 | rainfyre | yagoo: yeahhh I like it, just working with splitting and resizing panes |
| 23:59.04 | da_tash | currently how is the support for AMD Fusion? |
| 23:59.13 | da_tash | !fusion |
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| 23:59.19 | nkuttler | da_tash: support by what? |
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| 23:59.32 | da_tash | GNU/Linux in general |
