| 00:00.15 | nkuttler | da_tash: works for me |
| 00:00.23 | da_tash | I'm considering getting a x120 |
| 00:00.29 | nkuttler | da_tash: currently no working fglrx in testing/sid |
| 00:00.47 | da_tash | nkuttler: just 2d or no aceleration at all? |
| 00:00.51 | nkuttler | da_tash: x121 works fine. http://www.nicolaskuttler.com/post/installing-debian-gnulinux-thinkpad-x121e/ |
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| 00:01.08 | bmoloney | da_tash: I still needed to compile a bunch of stuff from source to get xvba acceleration working (on standard radeon card, not fusion) |
| 00:01.29 | yagoo | well something is broked in my gnome gconf.. apparently a new default user doesnt have his window controls hidden.. |
| 00:01.40 | nkuttler | da_tash: i think i have no acceleration right now, using radeon. but that should be fixed once the fglrx driver is updated. apparently you can even downgrade to an older release |
| 00:01.55 | yagoo | :"( |
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| 00:02.08 | da_tash | nkuttler; and all that is non-free software? |
| 00:02.26 | nkuttler | da_tash: all what? |
| 00:02.43 | da_tash | nkuttler: the support for the vga |
| 00:03.09 | nkuttler | da_tash: radeon driver works fine. afaik not accelerated. certainly not for 3d. don't really care |
| 00:03.21 | yagoo | nkuttler, i did a lazyman's fix last night with fglrx, i simply blacklist radeon and drm, reboot, then run ati's fglrx installer :) |
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| 00:03.49 | da_tash | nkuttler: I just play red eclipse =/ so mostly video playback is what I care |
| 00:03.58 | yagoo | nkuttler, (i have the X service closed before just to be sure, then i restart it after installing the fglrx driver-- check your xorg.conf later for changes it makes) |
| 00:04.10 | nkuttler | yagoo: you used atis installer? and just a few days ago you told me not to give people bad adivce and that i don't know jack about debian? please stop talking to me |
| 00:04.25 | yagoo | hmm |
| 00:04.29 | yagoo | nkuttler, bye kid. |
| 00:04.30 | yagoo | lol |
| 00:04.37 | yagoo | ignores nkuttler |
| 00:04.44 | nkuttler | thank god |
| 00:05.01 | yagoo | I do know what i'm doing. |
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| 00:05.36 | gnarface | question: should i use flamethrower or lrsyncd or just cron an rsync command? |
| 00:05.42 | yagoo | BTW, one has to wonder where ati drivers come from. ahem |
| 00:05.54 | abrotman | they come from AMD |
| 00:06.03 | yagoo | abrotman, :) |
| 00:06.39 | yagoo | is running 7 linux ubuntu/debian desktop machines.. |
| 00:06.58 | streuner | ubuntu/debian? |
| 00:07.09 | streuner | raises his eyebrow |
| 00:07.11 | yagoo | well 1 is ubuntu.. |
| 00:07.14 | yagoo | lol |
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| 00:07.20 | nkuttler | !lol |
| 00:07.21 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 00:07.22 | yagoo | (dualbooted with debian) |
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| 00:08.06 | abrotman | clearly makes you an expert |
| 00:08.10 | streuner | yagoo: why 7 Desktop machines? |
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| 00:08.46 | yagoo | streuner, you need pictures? lol |
| 00:08.56 | threadlock | yagoo: lol |
| 00:09.03 | streuner | well, that would be interesting :-) |
| 00:09.08 | yagoo | streuner, apparently my own desktop window manager doesnt run on startup |
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| 00:10.06 | yagoo | streuner, window controls don't popup.. (manually it would start via xterm-- metacity & or openbox &).. (but a default user has no issue) |
| 00:10.17 | abrotman | who is he talking to? |
| 00:10.30 | yagoo | i'm on #gnome on this.. |
| 00:10.46 | yagoo | (lesser a debian issue) |
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| 00:10.48 | streuner | prolly not to me, iam confused, i dont know what this good for... |
| 00:10.57 | cnz | what's the safest way to purge logs in /var/log |
| 00:11.04 | cnz | it's taking up almost 500gigs of space |
| 00:11.14 | streuner | 500 GB? |
| 00:11.20 | cnz | that is what i said |
| 00:11.27 | abrotman | cnz: why aren't you rotating logs? |
| 00:11.27 | streuner | thats a joke, isnt it? |
| 00:11.33 | cnz | nop |
| 00:11.34 | abrotman | start by removing the .gz logs |
| 00:11.35 | cnz | nope* |
| 00:11.43 | cnz | abrotman, yes |
| 00:11.44 | cnz | i am |
| 00:11.48 | nkuttler | well he could have a moderatly busy website |
| 00:11.48 | streuner | well, just listen to abrotman then |
| 00:12.02 | streuner | nkuttler: very busy |
| 00:12.10 | nkuttler | cnz: either rotate the logs, or configure your logging properly |
| 00:12.21 | cnz | 480G /var/log/ |
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| 00:13.02 | nkuttler | cnz: which subdir uses the most disk space? |
| 00:13.02 | cnz | http://pastebin.com/YTf0mXGv |
| 00:13.30 | nkuttler | cnz: also, man du |
| 00:13.32 | jhutchins_lt | cnz: Tune your logrotate daemon. |
| 00:13.41 | abrotman | nice kern.log |
| 00:13.56 | nkuttler | oh, faulty hardware would have been my second guess |
| 00:14.08 | abrotman | sometihng is wrong with his system .. 90GB of syslog in one day? |
| 00:14.15 | cnz | jhujhiti, how do I tune my logrotate |
| 00:14.16 | jhutchins_lt | I run a fairly busy web site with mailserver and it's only got 13G. |
| 00:14.27 | streuner | that must be a joke - -rw-r----- 1 root adm 161G Dec 7 01:12 kern.log |
| 00:14.38 | cnz | why is that a joke |
| 00:14.54 | nkuttler | cnz: you should read through that file a bit |
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| 00:15.18 | jhutchins_lt | debug also 161G |
| 00:15.19 | streuner_ | well, 161 GB is, let me say almost impossible for me to imagine |
| 00:15.53 | abrotman | the syslog is probably important also |
| 00:16.02 | abrotman | cnz: tail -f /var/log/syslog .. what's going on ? |
| 00:16.06 | jhutchins_lt | 88G. |
| 00:16.13 | jhutchins_lt | cnz: something isn't right. |
| 00:16.44 | streuner_ | -rw-r----- 1 root adm 161G Dec 7 01:12 kern.log |
| 00:16.49 | streuner_ | ehm |
| 00:16.59 | streuner_ | -rw-r----- 1 syslog adm 20646 Dez 6 20:08 kern.log |
| 00:17.20 | streuner_ | unbelievable |
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| 00:17.39 | engla | not good |
| 00:17.43 | streuner_ | no |
| 00:18.05 | abrotman | yeah .. not good .. who spells december with a z .. jeez |
| 00:18.16 | nkuttler | ze germans |
| 00:18.26 | streuner_ | why the difference vs. me and him root vs. syslog... |
| 00:18.50 | cnz | http://pastebin.com/xYn7Qwfh |
| 00:19.04 | cnz | syslog is being flooded with that |
| 00:19.23 | streuner_ | well, but why its root for you? |
| 00:19.37 | abrotman | irrelevant |
| 00:19.41 | streuner_ | hm |
| 00:19.52 | abrotman | cnz: uhm .. have you just started using iptables ? |
| 00:20.01 | cnz | abrotman, ,not using them |
| 00:20.03 | abrotman | cnz: oh .. you just started using something like bandwidthd ? |
| 00:20.07 | cnz | but I don't why that's being flooded |
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| 00:20.23 | cnz | abrotman, I was running webmin and enabled bandwith |
| 00:20.31 | cnz | but it shouldn't be running anymore |
| 00:20.45 | abrotman | still is apparently |
| 00:20.45 | nkuttler | !webmin |
| 00:20.45 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 00:21.00 | abrotman | god that's some noisy logging |
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| 00:22.18 | yagoo | who's saying to use webmin? that's extinct |
| 00:22.47 | abrotman | yagoo: are you reading anything? |
| 00:22.48 | yagoo | oh it's him again.. the same one saying to check out /etc/passwd for an apache problem a few days ago.. hmmph .. kiddo :p lol |
| 00:22.50 | abrotman | jesus |
| 00:23.16 | abrotman | apparently not .. |
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| 00:23.51 | nag | abrotman: someone should implement a 'global troll list' plugin for irssi that auto +i's people like yagoo |
| 00:24.17 | yagoo | nag, i'm hoping to see if you can help me. apparently webmin is not good. |
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| 00:24.23 | yagoo | nag, webmin has issues.. |
| 00:24.27 | abrotman | yagoo: knock it off |
| 00:24.43 | ilikenwf | any idea why after installing a new network card my home server sleeps on it's own until i hit the keyboard? i can't ssh in now |
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| 00:25.11 | yagoo | abrotman, why you mad bro? |
| 00:25.16 | abrotman | you're being a pain |
| 00:25.25 | abrotman | ilikenwf: is it the only card? |
| 00:25.26 | yagoo | abrotman, why? |
| 00:25.37 | yagoo | abrotman, pm me |
| 00:25.50 | ilikenwf | abrotman: i thought it was, as when i power on the monitor i hooked up it still has the login prompt |
| 00:25.55 | abrotman | said as much as he needed to say |
| 00:26.00 | ilikenwf | but after slapping the keyboard and then sshing in (couldn't until I did that) |
| 00:26.06 | ilikenwf | it said it'd been up 19 minutes |
| 00:26.13 | ilikenwf | and all my torrents had been pause |
| 00:26.14 | ilikenwf | d |
| 00:26.18 | ilikenwf | so i'm not entirely sure what's going on |
| 00:26.21 | abrotman | ilikenwf: dmesg | grep eth .. how many are there? |
| 00:26.28 | cnz | abrotman, any ideas on waht I should do? |
| 00:26.35 | cnz | I just uninstalled webmin |
| 00:26.51 | abrotman | cnz: did it stop ? |
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| 00:26.55 | ilikenwf | sec, damned thing just slept again |
| 00:26.59 | cnz | nope |
| 00:27.08 | cnz | but im transfering from one server to this one |
| 00:27.09 | abrotman | dpkg: tell ilikenwf about z70 |
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| 00:27.35 | ilikenwf | abrotman: there's still another eth card there http://pastebin.com/uR99KHXM |
| 00:27.39 | ilikenwf | because it's built into the motherboard |
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| 00:28.13 | cnz | i got it abrotman |
| 00:28.13 | ilikenwf | network is working fine on the card when the machine (or card?) doesn't sleep |
| 00:28.19 | cnz | rsyslogd was running in the background |
| 00:28.33 | ilikenwf | i guess i could try a different patch cable but i think i used a new one |
| 00:28.51 | cnz | abrotman, now what would be the safest way to wipe logs |
| 00:28.52 | streuner_ | cnz: lol |
| 00:29.05 | cnz | streuner_, no laughing at me!!!!! |
| 00:29.06 | streuner_ | he already told you |
| 00:29.13 | cnz | yes |
| 00:29.20 | cnz | but that doesn't remove the big 135153gig files |
| 00:29.21 | abrotman | cnz: just remove the .gz files .. the rest will rotate out with time |
| 00:29.39 | abrotman | cnz: you can also run logrotate now .. see if it rotates those |
| 00:29.40 | cnz | abrotman, well I need them gone like asap |
| 00:29.48 | streuner_ | cnz: its just insane, how big the logs are... |
| 00:29.49 | cnz | because the box is out of diskspace and i need that 500gigs |
| 00:30.00 | streuner_ | no wonder |
| 00:30.01 | cnz | streuner_, I know never seen it |
| 00:30.10 | cnz | abrotman, oh ok so rm *.gz |
| 00:30.14 | cnz | then logrotate |
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| 00:30.24 | abrotman | might want to run a sync in there somewhere |
| 00:30.33 | ilikenwf | seems there's an issue with r8169 |
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| 00:30.55 | cnz | abrotman, any special way I should run logrotate |
| 00:30.57 | yagoo | ilikenwf, that may require firmware (apt-get install firmware-linux) |
| 00:31.02 | abrotman | cnz: try to run /etc/cron.daily/logrotate |
| 00:31.08 | abrotman | !r8169 |
| 00:31.09 | dpkg | r8169 is a driver in the mainline Linux kernel supporting the Realtek RTL8169, RTL8168 and RTL8101 families of gigabit Ethernet chips. See also <rtl8168d>, <rtl8105e>. |
| 00:31.21 | cnz | abrotman, k it's running |
| 00:31.28 | abrotman | cnz: probably trying ot compress stuff |
| 00:31.30 | ilikenwf | i even tried the proprietary one from the manufacturer |
| 00:31.35 | cnz | yeah |
| 00:31.44 | cnz | so when it's done I can just delete the old logs right |
| 00:31.53 | cnz | like .1 .2 .3 .4 .gz etc |
| 00:32.34 | abrotman | cnz: yes .. the gz files and the ones with numbers generally .. yes |
| 00:32.46 | cnz | k, thanks abrotman |
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| 00:42.39 | cnz | abrotman, ok /etc/cron.daily/logrotate didn't rotate the logs |
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| 00:43.20 | abrotman | cnz: it might do it daily instead of by size .. don't worry about it unless you need space immediately |
| 00:43.23 | Ahoalton | hello is anyone active |
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| 00:43.36 | cnz | abrotman, i do |
| 00:43.46 | abrotman | cnz: you'd have to remove the logs and restart syslog |
| 00:43.47 | streuner_ | Ahoalton: there aer about 1100 users here, just ask |
| 00:44.00 | cnz | ok |
| 00:44.02 | cnz | so just rm * |
| 00:44.06 | cnz | and re-run syslog |
| 00:44.10 | streuner_ | Ahoalton: some are active, some dont |
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| 00:44.32 | Ahoalton | I tried to install debian alongside my windows 7 computer, and everything is fine with win 7, grub boots it fine, but there appears to be an, MP-BIOS BUG 8254 timer not connected |
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| 00:45.03 | Ahoalton | I found a few forums that tell me to try adding the noapic option to boot, but I don't know how |
| 00:45.17 | Ahoalton | i've never had linux mess up when installing |
| 00:45.46 | streuner_ | Ahoalton: noapic is a kernel boot option |
| 00:46.16 | Ahoalton | how do I add it in? |
| 00:46.26 | ilikenwf | fyi i'm trying this |
| 00:46.26 | ilikenwf | http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=250807 |
| 00:46.52 | Ahoalton | when I select the os I tried adding -noapic, but it didn't work |
| 00:46.54 | streuner_ | Ahoalton: /msg dpkg noapic |
| 00:47.05 | Ahoalton | I can't load the OS streuner_ |
| 00:47.31 | Ahoalton | it gives me that and them does everything else and freezes when displaying bunches of colors, mostly green |
| 00:47.58 | streuner_ | hm, some hardware makes issues then |
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| 00:49.09 | cnz | abrotman, thanks again removed the logs and restarted syslog |
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| 00:49.23 | abrotman | that was a quick thanks :) |
| 00:49.24 | Ahoalton | I tried the netinst and the CD one streuner_ |
| 00:49.38 | Ahoalton | I've put debian on this Computer before though, just not dual boot |
| 00:49.43 | yagoo | Ahoalton, that mod may look for firmware.. be sure to install any firmware for it(they would be in /lib/firmware) |
| 00:49.54 | yagoo | Ahoalton, (i told you this like 15 minutes ago :) |
| 00:50.09 | abrotman | yagoo: is there firmware for r8169? |
| 00:50.17 | yagoo | abrotman, modinfo shows.. |
| 00:50.21 | Ahoalton | but I can't even load the OS, so hw do I install it |
| 00:50.38 | abrotman | yagoo: and you were talking to someone else .. |
| 00:50.44 | yagoo | i'm using an realtek driver and am able to get away with not using a firmware file.. |
| 00:50.57 | Ahoalton | and when did you tell me 15 min ago |
| 00:51.02 | streuner_ | well, you are lucky then |
| 00:51.11 | abrotman | Ahoalton: he didn't tell you anything 15 minutes .. ignore him |
| 00:51.16 | Ahoalton | ok |
| 00:51.17 | bmoloney | Ahoalton: use the unofficial install cd, it includes non-free firmware |
| 00:51.25 | Ahoalton | where would I get that? |
| 00:51.33 | Ahoalton | I got the on from the site |
| 00:51.37 | yagoo | "<yagoo> ilikenwf, that may require firmware (apt-get install firmware-linux)" |
| 00:51.44 | abrotman | yagoo: WRONG PERSON |
| 00:51.46 | abrotman | jesus |
| 00:51.47 | yagoo | abrotman, don't need to be so sarcastic all the time. |
| 00:51.58 | Ahoalton | but I installed te same thing a few months ago standalone |
| 00:52.00 | abrotman | i'm not being sarcastic .. you aren't capable of using IRC |
| 00:52.02 | yagoo | oh |
| 00:52.03 | yagoo | lol |
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| 00:52.55 | bmoloney | ahoalton: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
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| 00:53.21 | bmoloney | ahoalton: don't know if firmware is your problem, but I just use the unofficial cd by default to avoid issues |
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| 00:54.01 | streuner_ | by the way, the official installers ask you for firmware too :-) |
| 00:54.10 | abrotman | bmoloney: where did he say anything about needing firmware? |
| 00:55.05 | streuner_ | well, noapic isnt for me an indiz for missing firmware |
| 00:55.34 | Ahoalton | but everywere I looked it doesn't mention that that error doesn't prevent usage just other thing |
| 00:55.38 | bmoloney | abrotman: sorry your right, I assumed yagoo was on topic |
| 00:55.50 | Ahoalton | so don't get that CD bmoloney? |
| 00:56.09 | Ahoalton | cause I've got 58% already |
| 00:57.12 | Ahoalton | or can someone just help me to replace grub with the current windows 7 boot loader again |
| 00:57.27 | streuner_ | Ahoalton: no |
| 00:57.36 | Ahoalton | why? |
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| 00:58.00 | streuner_ | Ahoalton: well, you have to reset or whatever windows then |
| 00:58.19 | bmoloney | Ahoalton: grub doesn't really hurt anything... |
| 00:58.26 | streuner_ | true |
| 00:58.28 | Ahoalton | that sentence makes no sense starenka |
| 00:58.47 | Ahoalton | streuner_ |
| 00:59.08 | streuner_ | Ahoalton: anyway, if you want just windows, you have to reinstall windows |
| 00:59.14 | starenka | puff |
| 00:59.21 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 00:59.30 | bmoloney | Ahoalton: w |
| 00:59.47 | Ahoalton | no, I wwant restore to normal MBR and start over with a separate boot partition for linux |
| 00:59.51 | bmoloney | Ahoalton: windows may have some "repair boot" option that would get rid of grub |
| 01:00.15 | Ahoalton | tried it bmoloney |
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| 01:01.05 | streuner_ | Ahoalton: all that, makes the debian installer |
| 01:01.20 | Ahoalton | I really just want debian to work |
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| 01:01.35 | Ahoalton | I've used it before and am comfortable with it, I despise ubuntu |
| 01:01.35 | bmoloney | Ahoalton: what is a separate boot partition entail? There is only one boot sector per drive... |
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| 01:01.42 | streuner_ | well, i dont know what issue you have then |
| 01:02.11 | bmoloney | ahoalton: you don't need to get rid of grub to reinstall |
| 01:02.38 | Ahoalton | I tried reinstalling twice, the net inst, and the cd insstall |
| 01:03.46 | bmoloney | can you boot it into single user mode? |
| 01:03.54 | streuner_ | i doubt that |
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| 01:04.12 | streuner_ | if he thought about apic |
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| 01:04.52 | streuner_ | some IRQ issues is in his machine, and that causes issues, IMO |
| 01:05.19 | bmoloney | seems weird that it worked without dual boot, but hard to say |
| 01:05.24 | streuner_ | some hardware uses the same IRQ |
| 01:05.52 | streuner_ | otherwise apic issues makes no sense to me |
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| 01:06.51 | I_Died_Once | hi, i have a usb device that google is not giving me good info on |
| 01:06.58 | I_Died_Once | trying to figure out which module i wil need |
| 01:07.06 | streuner_ | none |
| 01:07.14 | I_Died_Once | death@Dimension5150:~$ lsusb |
| 01:07.15 | I_Died_Once | Bus 005 Device 008: ID 055d:a230 Samsung Electro-Mechanics Co. Boot Device |
| 01:07.31 | I_Died_Once | its a wireless usb |
| 01:07.43 | I_Died_Once | why its showing as a boot device is beyond me |
| 01:07.47 | aidalgol | Wireless USB what? |
| 01:07.58 | I_Died_Once | for wifi |
| 01:08.07 | aidalgol | ah |
| 01:08.11 | streuner_ | so a dongle? |
| 01:08.14 | abrotman | update-usbids |
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| 01:08.30 | nevyn | because it has a usb cdrom emulation containing the windows drivers |
| 01:08.46 | streuner_ | nevyn: wired |
| 01:09.18 | I_Died_Once | i ran update-usbids and it dowenloaded something |
| 01:09.20 | nevyn | ? |
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| 01:09.49 | streuner_ | I_Died_Once: sure, the db of usbids |
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| 01:10.42 | henaaque | is there any program that, when i add a virtual host to apache, automatically creates a home folder and a user for this site? |
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| 01:12.20 | abrotman | a script you write? |
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| 01:12.49 | henaaque | i am trying to avoi it |
| 01:12.51 | henaaque | avoid* |
| 01:12.56 | henaaque | rsrs |
| 01:12.57 | I_Died_Once | here is the output of "sudo lsusb -v" |
| 01:12.59 | I_Died_Once | http://pastebin.com/1nqJ4Dq0 |
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| 01:14.05 | streuner_ | I_Died_Once: and that is a USB to Ethernet device? |
| 01:14.54 | I_Died_Once | its a wifi connction whatever-you-call-it |
| 01:15.01 | streuner_ | hm |
| 01:15.07 | streuner_ | you need a driver |
| 01:15.16 | I_Died_Once | its usb, has a cord, and works like a charm under windows |
| 01:15.24 | I_Died_Once | supposed to give me a wireless connection |
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| 01:15.30 | streuner_ | dont tell us about windows :-) |
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| 01:15.31 | Ahoalton | and bmoloney I cannot boot into anything, can't see the loginscreen |
| 01:15.38 | I_Died_Once | trying to figure out which module or driver or whatever so i can use it |
| 01:16.07 | I_Died_Once | i only said that about windows because i know the device in and of itself "works" in a categorical sense |
| 01:16.24 | streuner_ | I_Died_Once: what does the pciid and linux give you results? |
| 01:16.56 | I_Died_Once | pciid: command not foun d |
| 01:17.09 | streuner_ | I_Died_Once: i think, there should be an entry in usenet or whatever |
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| 01:18.33 | I_Died_Once | streuner_ what is the pciid ? you lost me on that one |
| 01:19.03 | streuner_ | I_Died_Once: 055d:a230 |
| 01:19.15 | streuner_ | judd, pciid 055d:a230 |
| 01:19.17 | judd | [055d:a230] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=055d:a230 |
| 01:19.24 | streuner_ | great |
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| 01:19.57 | streuner_ | I_Died_Once: well, you should first look whats supported and buy then, if possible |
| 01:20.26 | I_Died_Once | wasnt possible |
| 01:20.32 | I_Died_Once | this was an acquired device |
| 01:21.05 | streuner_ | USB? well, always possible to sell and buy another one |
| 01:21.17 | I_Died_Once | meh |
| 01:21.46 | streuner_ | anyway, why get headaches... |
| 01:22.45 | streuner_ | and, an USB dongle WIFI is about 20-30 bucks, not more... |
| 01:23.53 | streuner_ | Huawei are good supported |
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| 01:28.01 | Led_Zeppelin | with sudo, is it possible to run as userA, instead of running as root? |
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| 01:29.07 | streuner_ | sure, its possible to make a user like a root |
| 01:30.26 | zykotick9 | Led_Zeppelin, first line of description in man page for sudo is: "sudo allows a permitted user to execute a command as the superuser or another user." |
| 01:31.12 | streuner_ | Led_Zeppelin: there should be plenty of docs in internet about |
| 01:31.28 | duanedesign | `/3 |
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| 01:32.10 | plugwash | can anyone tell me the name of the package for "document viewer"? |
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| 01:32.25 | duanedesign | yu van install lxdne on debiab |
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| 01:33.04 | zykotick9 | plugwash, evince - Document (PostScript, PDF) viewer |
| 01:33.05 | streuner_ | plugwash: it depends, but how about to run "apt-cache search <issue>? |
| 01:33.39 | streuner_ | plugwash: what kind of document is that at all? |
| 01:34.13 | plugwash | "document viewer" is the name in the menus of an app on a standard debian (squeeze at least) gnome system but this box doesn't happen to have it installed |
| 01:34.18 | plugwash | hence I was asking for the package name |
| 01:34.44 | plugwash | (I HATE the way gnome menu entries have no relation to package/executable names....) |
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| 01:35.10 | streuner_ | plugwash: maybe you tell us more details... |
| 01:35.28 | plugwash | sorry I could have been a little clearer in my question |
| 01:35.32 | zykotick9 | plugwash, evince - Document (PostScript, PDF) viewer |
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| 01:35.55 | zykotick9 | plugwash, evince is the default PDF viewer in Gnome on Debian squeeze at least |
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| 01:36.50 | plugwash | zykotick9, thanks, now I just have to work out how to install it on this machine which is an unholy hybrid of lenny and squeeze |
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| 01:37.34 | streuner_ | plugwash: aptitude install evince, but it should be installed by default, so its strange for me |
| 01:38.41 | plugwash | yeah I probablly removed it at some point in the past of this system. I just have to work out how to get it installed again which is tricky. During the squeeze cycle X11 stopped working properly on this system and I was forced to downgrade X to lenny's version |
| 01:39.25 | streuner_ | well, you destroyed your whole GNOME version, so it sounds to me |
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| 01:43.01 | plugwash | the system is a bit of a mess, to downgrade X I had to downgrade some other stuff too, the system works ok but I know it's far from an ideal situation |
| 01:43.03 | henaaque | what's the simplesst and safest ftp server i can install on debian? |
| 01:43.18 | henaaque | (sftp won't work for me...) |
| 01:43.52 | plugwash | but when the intel driver was crashing every few minuites and the vesa driver gave a horriblly low and distorted resouloution what else can a user do but downgrade to a version they know works? |
| 01:43.56 | rypervenche | henaaque: Won't work as in you can't get it to work or it won't do what you need it to do? |
| 01:44.28 | henaaque | won't do what i need |
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| 01:45.57 | streuner_ | plugwash: using stable? :-P |
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| 01:46.15 | streuner_ | plugwash: but, anyway, why not just using stable? |
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| 01:48.08 | streuner_ | plugwash: (that sounds like a system, who only super-gurus knows how that works) |
| 01:49.02 | streuner_ | plugwash: and thats why iam asking you, why not just run stable |
| 01:50.11 | plugwash | I had lenny but I got fed up with the old iceweasel (or was it still firefox then, don't remember for sure) versions so I upgraded to squeeze (then testing), this worked for a while but then I ran into major problems with X. I tried various versions (including the one from experimental) but the only one I could make work relibally on here was the one from lenny (then stable). |
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| 01:50.43 | plugwash | I haven't dared to touch the X server version since because if it's still broken getting back to the current state would be a PITA |
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| 01:51.41 | plugwash | So i'm running a system that is mostly squeeze but with X and some other bits from lenny and I don't dare to mess with it too much since it does work |
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| 01:52.10 | plugwash | (there are also some bits from between lenny and squeeze in the mix) |
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| 01:55.53 | streuner_ | plugwash: http://www.ebay.de/itm/200676807514?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 |
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| 01:56.14 | JodaZ | plugwash, did you try to find out why the intel driver crashed ? |
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| 01:56.40 | streuner_ | plugwash: 240 Euro for a NTEL Q8300 4x2500MHz, 4GB DDR3 and everything works like a charm in Debian |
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| 01:58.04 | streuner_ | plugwash: headaches are history then... |
| 01:58.11 | plugwash | I tried filing bugreports but for other reasons multibooting more than one linux install one here isn't very practical (stupid apple bios emulation) and I needed a working install to use |
| 01:58.19 | plugwash | *on here |
| 01:58.32 | streuner_ | oh, its apple? |
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| 01:58.45 | streuner_ | that makes sense then :-/ |
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| 01:58.53 | wobblyonions | hi guys |
| 01:59.00 | streuner_ | hi |
| 01:59.26 | plugwash | yeah, I use rEFIt to multiboot linux, OS-X and windows but after the bios emulation is launched from rEFIt the keyboard usually doesn't work in the linux bootloader |
| 01:59.49 | plugwash | and I don't have the partitions available in the right places to easilly add a second linux entry in rEFIt |
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| 02:00.46 | streuner_ | plugwash: you have too much time :-/ |
| 02:01.31 | streuner_ | plugwash: well, you working with 3 OSs, and the only really working OS is OSX |
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| 02:03.01 | plugwash | buying a macbook seemed like a good idea at the time but looking back it probablly wasn't the best choice |
| 02:03.03 | wobblyonions | having great fun with ntop here , not used it before , pretty powerfull app |
| 02:03.59 | streuner_ | plugwash: macbooks are a good choice, if you need a working machine with OSX, but not with Debian, IMO |
| 02:04.16 | plugwash | mmm |
| 02:04.50 | JodaZ | shouldn't it actually work ? |
| 02:04.53 | streuner_ | all stuff working perfectly, but its not open-source, after all |
| 02:05.12 | JodaZ | i mean there are propably lots of people with working multi booting macbooks or am i wrong there ? |
| 02:06.04 | streuner_ | well, there are maybe some people who running apple stuff very well, but i prefer OSX to run on that machines |
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| 02:06.48 | JodaZ | yeah, osx is propably best |
| 02:07.02 | streuner_ | sure |
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| 02:07.31 | streuner_ | it works on apple machines perfect |
| 02:07.47 | JodaZ | but i was under the impression that windows and linux would do too |
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| 02:08.45 | JodaZ | i mean work |
| 02:08.50 | wobblyonions | anyone here using ntop as well at all? |
| 02:08.54 | streuner_ | JodaZ: its just the question, if you need a working OS on that machines... |
| 02:09.11 | streuner_ | wobblyonions: prolly many here... |
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| 02:09.36 | wobblyonions | still learning about it really only just installed it |
| 02:09.39 | JodaZ | well, i just thought they would at least work, but other linux distros and osx obviously beat debian as a desktop/portable |
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| 02:11.27 | wobblyonions | trying to work out how to get netflow from a network device on the network, is it a case of netflow receives it from the device or does ntop have to request it? |
| 02:14.34 | I_Died_Once | what was the name of that program that cold crack the passphrases of encrypted wireless networks? |
| 02:15.07 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 02:15.52 | streuner_ | (you are in the wrong channel for such questions) |
| 02:16.12 | clone_of_saturn | aircrack-ng |
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| 02:17.19 | I_Died_Once | aircrack-ng' has no installation candidate |
| 02:17.42 | streuner_ | lol |
| 02:17.45 | clone_of_saturn | anyone know if it's possible to make an iptables rule that will change the window size of tcp connections? |
| 02:18.41 | rainfyre_ | I_Died_Once: what does that mean? no installation candidate |
| 02:18.57 | I_Died_Once | i guess its not in the repo |
| 02:19.10 | streuner_ | judd, versions aircrack-ng |
| 02:19.12 | abrotman | clone_of_saturn: did you ask #netfilter? |
| 02:19.13 | judd | Package: aircrack-ng on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.0~rc1-2 |
| 02:19.17 | rainfyre_ | I_Died_Once: ok |
| 02:19.17 | abrotman | it's not in Debian anymore |
| 02:19.36 | I_Died_Once | well that sucks |
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| 02:19.55 | I_Died_Once | i guess i can compile |
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| 02:21.54 | I_Died_Once | how do i tell which module or driver my wireless device is using? |
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| 02:22.29 | clone_of_saturn | abrotman: good idea |
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| 02:23.29 | clone_of_saturn | I_Died_Once: vdir /sys/class/net/wlan0/device/driver |
| 02:24.08 | abrotman | I_Died_Once: lspci -k |
| 02:24.30 | clone_of_saturn | or for the module name, vdir /sys/class/net/wlan0/device/driver/module |
| 02:25.16 | I_Died_Once | ok, heres a question for ya - how do i tell is my wireless driver supports "injection" |
| 02:25.33 | I_Died_Once | http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=install_drivers |
| 02:25.47 | rainfyre_ | I_Died_Once: there ya go |
| 02:26.23 | clone_of_saturn | it tells you right on that page which chipsets are supported |
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| 02:27.41 | clone_of_saturn | that's ralink, so it might work |
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| 02:37.47 | wobblyonions | guys with ntop what port is it listening on to get the flow data? |
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| 03:19.22 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 03:19.22 | dpkg | <hotdog> how do i join the debian channel? |
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| 03:21.04 | knob | Hello... is mod_rewrite enabled by default? |
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| 03:24.40 | gnarface | knob: no |
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| 03:26.49 | cutbert | Enable a bitch! |
| 03:27.13 | cutbert | You just make a symlink from mods_available to mods_enabled no? |
| 03:27.21 | abrotman | a2enmod |
| 03:27.34 | cutbert | Oh nice |
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| 03:35.40 | gnarface | can an nfs mount be served as an export to be mounted on another server? |
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| 03:36.19 | cthuluh | try it and see? :) |
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| 03:39.42 | jibcage | For the nginx users out there, I've replaced apache2 with nginx and whenever I open up wordpress, it floors my VPS and takes about 2-3 seconds to load for each page. Any clues? |
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| 03:48.15 | jose33 | hi!! |
| 03:48.36 | gnarface | fuck you jose33 |
| 03:48.44 | gnarface | just kidding what's up man? |
| 03:48.51 | jose33 | could I ask a question about programming?? |
| 03:48.52 | jibcage | ...bueller? |
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| 03:49.15 | jose33 | hi, gnarface:) |
| 03:49.21 | gnarface | you could ask but you might get in trouble for it. you're only supposed to ask questions about debian |
| 03:49.48 | jose33 | i see no activity here, so |
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| 03:50.07 | gnarface | you could ask a question about setting up a proper programming environment in debian too, nobody would yell at you for that |
| 03:50.10 | jose33 | i dont think it can cause any harm |
| 03:50.58 | jose33 | ok, I'm gonna try it!! |
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| 03:51.57 | jose33 | its not even only for Linux, even though I'm using Debian:) |
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| 03:52.02 | abrotman | wtf |
| 03:52.04 | civillian | smells the ops lurking with interest |
| 03:52.15 | civillian | aha! |
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| 03:56.00 | civillian | jose33: I am dissapoint |
| 03:56.25 | jose33 | How can I provide the end user with an executable that install a Latex compiler in his computer?? |
| 03:56.27 | jose33 | The application is done, no matter the language, I think |
| 03:56.28 | jose33 | the problem is that..., I have no idea of how to do it:( |
| 03:56.45 | jose33 | sorry, I got disconnected:( |
| 03:56.54 | jose33 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.22 | jose33 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.33 | abrotman | jose33: you sohuld ask the channel for whatever progrmaming language you'r eusing |
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| 03:57.48 | jose33 | the problem is that..., I have no idea of how to do it:( |
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| 03:59.02 | jose33 | abrotman, it'd be about the same problem with any language, I guess |
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| 04:00.40 | xxtjaxx | jose33: try to sudo and apt-get install $whatever_latex_package_you_need |
| 04:00.54 | jose33 | I'll try in another room chat. Thanks aniway:) |
| 04:01.32 | jose33 | sorry, xxtjaxx, I didnt see you |
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| 04:03.17 | jose33 | xxtjaxx, the point is that I never built an installer!! |
| 04:04.03 | jose33 | since the application is going to be uses by normal users |
| 04:04.17 | civillian | jose33: on windows right? |
| 04:04.28 | jose33 | Nooooo |
| 04:04.40 | jose33 | I'm using Debian |
| 04:04.53 | civillian | jose33: I got that, who is the package for |
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| 04:05.00 | jose33 | but I think the concept is the same |
| 04:05.14 | xxtjaxx | jose33: It's much more important what your users will be running so you can taylor towards that. |
| 04:05.45 | civillian | swiftly.. |
| 04:06.15 | jose33 | to tell the truth, it more complicated, |
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| 04:06.41 | xxtjaxx | jose33: in the event that your users do use debian just make a friendly UI that is run by something like kdesudo or gksudo and executes an apt-get install. |
| 04:07.04 | jose33 | because the Java application must run on the 3 different platforms:( |
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| 04:07.39 | jose33 | I mean, Windows, Linux and Mac |
| 04:08.58 | civillian | And there we have it. Perhaps try #java? |
| 04:08.58 | jose33 | xxtjaxx,I have to provide everything inside the executable file |
| 04:08.59 | civillian | if that exists, I have no idea |
| 04:09.02 | xxtjaxx | jose33: 1. check what OS 2. check what install mechanisms/commands are needed 3. build an installer for each of them done(); |
| 04:09.09 | abrotman | it's ##java i believe |
| 04:09.24 | civillian | abrotman: ahh k. |
| 04:10.26 | jose33 | abrotman, for being Java, I know I have to build a jar file, but imagine C, for example |
| 04:10.41 | jose33 | it's be the same probem!! |
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| 04:11.26 | jose33 | xxtjaxx, you're right |
| 04:11.51 | jose33 | I need the pdflatex command |
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| 04:12.27 | jose33 | but I dont know how to provide it :( |
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| 04:14.52 | jose33 | so, please, if someone has a link with an example of how to build an installer, I would be very grateful:) |
| 04:15.21 | abrotman | jose33: ask the channel for your language |
| 04:15.27 | abrotman | your programming language |
| 04:15.39 | jose33 | for Debian, of course |
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| 04:16.02 | abrotman | !nmg |
| 04:16.03 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 04:16.04 | abrotman | have fun! |
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| 04:16.58 | jose33 | ok, thank you all, bye:) |
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| 04:47.52 | jsoft_ | Anyone else find flash to go uber super duper laggy and weird when fullscreen? |
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| 05:02.01 | crosswalk_ | Haven't been using Flash for a while myself. Gnash freaks out sometimes when you go fullscreen, but I think that's because it's Gnash. |
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| 05:03.24 | Ragnar | Gnash |
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| 05:04.53 | wobblyonions | guys can someone give me a hand with a ntop query, what I am trying to work out is where do you configure ntop to get flow data from a device such as a router etc |
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| 05:05.11 | wobblyonions | would have thought you would need to add the device IP address to ntop someplace |
| 05:05.36 | wobblyonions | or is it a case of enable flow on the device interface and then add to ntop with the interface ip and subnet etc |
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| 05:16.30 | acu | we have two laptops with atheros wifi and none of them works - I can see the cad wlan0 when I do iwconfig - but is not started - what should I do ? |
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| 05:36.19 | chalcedony | does ifconfig give you your ip in debian? |
| 05:37.00 | civillian | chalcedony: it will give you the primary IP address, but not any secondary's |
| 05:37.17 | chalcedony | civillian, i get no such command |
| 05:37.28 | civillian | ls -l /sbin/ifconfig |
| 05:37.33 | chalcedony | ty |
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| 05:39.38 | chalcedony | civillian, that shows up in green like a directory |
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| 05:39.56 | civillian | chalcedony: so you've confirmed that it exists |
| 05:39.59 | civillian | echo $PATH |
| 05:40.03 | civillian | check for /sbin/ |
| 05:40.39 | civillian | or /sbin more likely |
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| 05:40.51 | lvidal | hi |
| 05:41.14 | lvidal | someone can explain me in detail a 504 timeout error |
| 05:41.15 | lvidal | ? |
| 05:41.49 | cthuluh | chalcedony: try ip address show / ip a s |
| 05:41.51 | civillian | lvidal: you mean HTTP error code? |
| 05:42.03 | cthuluh | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HTTP_status_codes |
| 05:42.07 | lvidal | civillian: yep |
| 05:42.08 | chalcedony | hmmm |
| 05:42.29 | civillian | cthuluh: ip is in /sbin also |
| 05:43.04 | cthuluh | ls -l /sbin/ip |
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| 05:43.54 | lvidal | thanks |
| 05:44.18 | cthuluh | thanks wp |
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| 05:56.54 | SerajewelKS | ok so i did some stuff in aptitude (installed a package) and apparently the ram in the box was bad. swapped in a good pair of modules, and now aptitude segfaults when starting up. |
| 05:57.11 | SerajewelKS | i'm not sure how to resolve this situation |
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| 05:57.39 | jetscreamer | sneakernet a .deb of aptitude and it's dependencies |
| 05:57.53 | SerajewelKS | hmm, apt-get seems to have resolved the problem. i guess it was a corrupted "available" file? |
| 05:57.57 | SerajewelKS | apt-get update rather |
| 05:58.00 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 05:58.15 | rozie | SerajewelKS: check FS. reinstall all packages. |
| 05:58.34 | SerajewelKS | hmm, /var/lib/dpkg/status seems toasted too |
| 05:58.40 | jetscreamer | !tell SerajewelKS -about reinstall |
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| 05:59.02 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer: you assume i can get that far |
| 05:59.43 | jetscreamer | or just back up /home and /etc and stuff and start over... see reinstall factoid for that too |
| 05:59.54 | SerajewelKS | even status-old is toast |
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| 06:00.52 | SerajewelKS | hmm ok i think i've contained that one |
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| 06:02.02 | SerajewelKS | i think if the fsck comes back clean i'll count myself lucky and hope that the dpkg/apt databases are the only things that got tweaked |
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| 06:03.18 | GordonFreeman | hello |
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| 06:03.26 | GordonFreeman | can someone help in ffmpeg? libavcodec.so and libavformat.so |
| 06:03.42 | jetscreamer | !ffmpeg |
| 06:03.42 | dpkg | FFmpeg is a complete, cross-platform solution to record, convert and stream audio and video. The Debian ffmpeg package contains a multimedia player (ffplay), server (ffserver) and encoder (ffmpeg). Use "ffmpeg -formats" to list supported transcoding formats for ffmpeg's -target option. Security support for FFmpeg in <oldstable> was dropped in DSA-2306-1. http://ffmpeg.org/ #ffmpeg on irc.freenode.net. See also <dmm>, <libav>. |
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| 06:03.44 | GordonFreeman | these files are not found after installing latest ffmpeg |
| 06:03.52 | GordonFreeman | ;< |
| 06:03.59 | chalcedony | i still don't have an ip |
| 06:04.35 | GordonFreeman | but i have these /usr/lib64/libavcodec.so.52 |
| 06:04.35 | GordonFreeman | /usr/lib64/libavcodec.so.52.72.2 |
| 06:04.40 | GordonFreeman | ;/ |
| 06:04.45 | jetscreamer | try #ffmpeg or something at same time maybe |
| 06:05.04 | GordonFreeman | ok |
| 06:05.06 | jetscreamer | sid, testing, stable? |
| 06:05.42 | jetscreamer | sounds siddish |
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| 06:18.46 | paul3 | hi, everyone. how can I kill File Operations window (and process) - it has hung :( ? |
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| 06:22.49 | esprimo | paul3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fow7iUaKrq4 ? |
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| 06:24.20 | paul3 | esprimo, yeah :) but what's its name? |
| 06:24.50 | esprimo | No idea |
| 06:24.59 | esprimo | :( |
| 06:25.28 | paul3 | ooh :( |
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| 06:26.54 | SerajewelKS | well, no filesystem damage |
| 06:27.21 | SerajewelKS | lesson learned: memtest before booting production OS with upgraded RAM |
| 06:27.28 | chalcedony | Cthulhux, civillian (sorry real life got in the way) http://pastebin.com/YZ6cQMZw |
| 06:30.03 | esprimo | chalcedony: What's the problem? |
| 06:30.27 | esprimo | You want to add /sbin to PATH? |
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| 06:30.45 | chalcedony | esprimo, is that what i need to do? |
| 06:30.59 | esprimo | Depends on what you want to do |
| 06:31.03 | chalcedony | esprimo, how do you do network configuration in debian? |
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| 06:31.23 | chalcedony | ifconfig in ubuntu shows your ip and eth0 etc |
| 06:31.33 | crosswalk_ | If I were to install Debian without a graphic desktop environment, would Xorg still come by default or would I have to install that manually? |
| 06:31.58 | esprimo | I ususally edit vim /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:32.26 | esprimo | chalcedony: Yeah, if you run /sbin/ifconfig it shows you your ip in debian too |
| 06:32.41 | chalcedony | hmm |
| 06:32.44 | esprimo | Or just "ifconfig" if you have /sbin in you path |
| 06:32.47 | chalcedony | i'll go try that |
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| 06:32.57 | chalcedony | ok so i should edit it for that |
| 06:34.09 | chalcedony | smiles |
| 06:34.13 | esprimo | PATH=$PATH\:/sbin should do it |
| 06:34.30 | esprimo | That's not permanently though |
| 06:34.32 | chalcedony | i need to do whatever i need to do that will let me ssh to it so i can work on it from here (laptop) |
| 06:34.59 | chalcedony | running back and forth is awkward |
| 06:35.18 | esprimo | :D |
| 06:36.07 | chalcedony | :) |
| 06:36.18 | chalcedony | connection refused.. |
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| 06:37.19 | esprimo | Have you a running sshd on the machine you are trying to connect to? |
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| 06:39.35 | chalcedony | esprimo, i downloaded ssh but probably it needs more than downloading? |
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| 06:40.08 | esprimo | chalcedony: try rutting netstat -Ntple as root |
| 06:40.14 | esprimo | running* |
| 06:40.22 | esprimo | and see if you have a sshd running |
| 06:40.44 | chalcedony | ok :) |
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| 06:45.26 | esprimo | chalcedony: Did it say anything about sshd? |
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| 06:46.08 | esprimo | You could try "/etc/init.d/ssh status" and see if it says "sshd is running." too |
| 06:46.27 | quotemstr | Why does Debian's bash specifically disable /dev/tcp and /dev/udp? These features don't hurt anyone by being there. |
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| 06:47.05 | quotemstr | A belief by the maintainers that people should use netcat instead is not sufficient grounds for forcing people to rewrite existing scripts that work well on other systems. |
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| 06:48.21 | technologov_ | netcat is a big problem; not Debian related. |
| 06:48.43 | technologov_ | For example I had a rewrite a program, that worked on RHEL, to run on openSUSE. |
| 06:48.51 | technologov_ | netcat versions are too different. |
| 06:48.55 | quotemstr | technologov_: Debian's bash package specifically disables a perfectly good bash feature. |
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| 06:49.18 | quotemstr | technologov_: There's no reason I can see for disabling this feature except to encourage people to use socat and netcat instead. |
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| 06:49.28 | technologov_ | I speak about netcat -- dunno about bash. |
| 06:49.51 | technologov_ | ask bash maintainers why |
| 06:50.02 | technologov_ | (or read changelog) |
| 06:50.21 | technologov_ | /usr/share/doc/bash.../changelog.Debian... |
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| 06:50.38 | quotemstr | technologov_: That tells me what, not why. |
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| 06:51.01 | technologov_ | true. |
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| 06:55.39 | chalcedony | esprimo, http://pastebin.com/nP4KHNcq |
| 06:55.51 | chalcedony | (sorry it takes so long for me to get back here |
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| 06:58.53 | esprimo | chalcedony: you do not seem to be running a sshd |
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| 06:59.31 | esprimo | try installing with apt-get install openssh-server |
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| 07:00.28 | esprimo | quotemstr: It's enabled in 6.0 |
| 07:00.34 | esprimo | Atleast it works fine for me |
| 07:00.38 | quotemstr | esprimo: Great. |
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| 07:05.52 | chalcedony | esprimo, Restarting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd |
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| 07:06.09 | esprimo | Oh, then it's installed |
| 07:06.39 | esprimo | Does it say "sshd is running." if you run "/etc/init.d/ssh status"? |
| 07:07.30 | esprimo | If so, you should be able to connect to it |
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| 07:14.06 | chalcedony | ssh works :)) |
| 07:14.12 | esprimo | Nice! |
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| 07:19.19 | chalcedony | that will be a big help |
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| 07:19.40 | chalcedony | much easier to get ifconfig or whatever working - it's using my same ip |
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| 07:22.56 | ruslan_osmanov | hi. is there a way to instruct apt/dpkg etc. to not upgrade certain package until it reaches some version? |
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| 07:23.39 | technologov_ | u can 'force version' |
| 07:23.53 | technologov_ | then remove the 'forcing' after few months |
| 07:24.18 | ruslan_osmanov | technologov_, I forced. I actually downgraded gedit package |
| 07:24.19 | mjt | ruslan_osmanov: man apt_preferences. i _think_ it is possible to pin a given package and only of a given version (or version less than something) from installing |
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| 07:25.13 | mjt | you can _just_ prevent it from installing by holding it, but in that case you'll have to watch for the version yourself - which may not be as bad an idea |
| 07:26.43 | ruslan_osmanov | mjt, thank you. reading the man page... I'd like to put it in the system. It irritates some with advices to upgrade.. |
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| 07:43.23 | iluminator101 | cold not update ICEauthority file /var/gdm3/.ICEauthority please help thanks in advance |
| 07:44.28 | iluminator101 | could* |
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| 07:54.02 | sivsivrais221 | Hi I am getting this error could not update ICEauthority file /home/user/ICEauthority |
| 07:55.17 | Vasistha | sivsivrais221: maybe #gnome at irc.gnome.org would know? I mean maybe it's a fs issue but I kinda doubt it? |
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| 07:56.48 | iluminator105 | could not update ICEauthority file /var/gdm3/.ICEauthority |
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| 07:58.24 | iluminator105 | i had no problems until i did a routine update upgrade it upgraded gnome 3.02 to 3.2 then this happen when i rebooted and tried to log on |
| 07:59.21 | iluminator105 | i did the chown user:user; i tried move .ice* and touch .ICE* but still nothing |
| 07:59.50 | sivsivrais221 | I have the same problem too |
| 07:59.58 | Vasistha | and you're not the same person? |
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| 08:00.12 | sivsivrais221 | no |
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| 08:01.29 | iluminator105 | my drive could be bad thats what i am thinking |
| 08:01.34 | Vasistha | well then both of you who are logging on with the identical username ~iluminato@ should go ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
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| 08:02.58 | simonlnu | same user name but different freenode cloak... o_O |
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| 08:03.15 | iluminator105 | drive could be toast |
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| 08:04.02 | Vasistha | simonlnu: I know kinda weird, huh? And one logs in, asks a question, logs out, the other logs in, asks the same question. the first logs in again and asks the same question |
| 08:04.46 | Vasistha | iluminator105: man badblocks |
| 08:05.24 | iluminator105 | i had guid table error before this |
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| 08:06.42 | simonlnu | sounds like your drive is dying, or you need to fsck it all. |
| 08:06.54 | Vasistha | and/or badblocks |
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| 08:07.38 | simonlnu | yeh, that too :) |
| 08:08.00 | iluminator105 | its a bad drive i am lucky it lasted this long could possibly get another two months out of it maybe |
| 08:09.15 | iluminator105 | simonlnu, cant do fsck its a btrfs |
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| 08:09.39 | Lannie | hello all |
| 08:10.52 | iluminator105 | its strange when i boot up it says this is depreciated you should use btrfs utility what does that mean |
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| 08:12.03 | simonlnu | well it means you should use that instead. deprecated, i kinda doubt it is under normal circumstances. |
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| 08:13.09 | iluminator105 | btrfs is not tried and true; i would warn people against using it |
| 08:14.39 | simonlnu | it's still a WIP isn't it? |
| 08:14.52 | iluminator105 | yea |
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| 08:15.14 | iluminator105 | has anyone used reiserfs4 the killer file system |
| 08:15.30 | simonlnu | formerly known as ricerfs |
| 08:15.48 | Lannie | what is it? |
| 08:15.52 | simonlnu | i wonder... |
| 08:15.57 | simonlnu | !ricerfs |
| 08:15.57 | dpkg | from memory, ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See <reiserfs> for real info. See also <ext3 vs reiserfs>. |
| 08:16.13 | simonlnu | hehe, it's still there :) |
| 08:16.39 | Vasistha | hmm I wonder if the link to my little picture is still there |
| 08:16.41 | Vasistha | !ubuntu rocks |
| 08:16.41 | dpkg | rocks: Please take your Ubuntu question to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net as they are able to help you much better with Ubuntu questions than #debian. Ubuntu can be quite different from Debian, #debian is not just a version of #ubuntu for advanced Ubuntu users. |
| 08:16.46 | Vasistha | darn. |
| 08:17.07 | simonlnu | probably overlapping |
| 08:17.16 | Vasistha | *sigh* I guess it wasn't liked enough: david9.freepgs.com/i/ubunturocks.png |
| 08:17.31 | Vasistha | shoulda made it clickable, http://david9.freepgs.com/i/ubunturocks.png |
| 08:19.13 | jelly-home | was that... made in MS Paint |
| 08:19.22 | simonlnu | i remember that from a long time ago... |
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| 08:20.10 | simonlnu | !listvals ubunturocks |
| 08:20.12 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ubunturocks' by value returned no results. |
| 08:20.22 | simonlnu | removed i guess |
| 08:20.49 | jelly-home | thank goodness, someone has a discriminating sense of taste |
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| 08:20.54 | Vasistha | jelly-home: well, actually I made it in the kde paint program, what's it called |
| 08:21.05 | simonlnu | kpaint |
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| 08:21.09 | Vasistha | kolourpaint? |
| 08:21.35 | simonlnu | yeh kolourpaint |
| 08:21.53 | iluminator105 | later guys |
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| 08:22.35 | Vasistha | ...seems like we got a lot more ubuntu fanboys back in that time trying to cause trouble. Maybe I just remember it because I spent a lot more time here. |
| 08:24.53 | simonlnu | for about a year after ubuntu came out iirc |
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| 08:25.35 | simonlnu | then for a while longer after every ubuntu release.... |
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| 08:34.05 | AndyManly | got a radeon problem :( |
| 08:34.13 | Lannie | ? |
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| 08:34.47 | AndyManly | according to glxinfo, I'm software rasterizing |
| 08:34.51 | AndyManly | and not hardware rendering |
| 08:35.06 | Lannie | what are you using for the vm |
| 08:35.16 | AndyManly | vm? |
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| 08:35.29 | Lannie | you said it was a virtual machine |
| 08:35.32 | Lannie | correct? |
| 08:35.41 | AndyManly | nah. real machine :P |
| 08:35.46 | Lannie | oooo |
| 08:35.48 | Lannie | welll |
| 08:35.53 | Lannie | then i dk lol |
| 08:36.11 | Lannie | because i knoow virtual machines cant use gpu acceleration |
| 08:36.27 | Lannie | hence ytour prob |
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| 08:36.38 | AndyManly | yeah |
| 08:36.40 | AndyManly | hm |
| 08:36.50 | AndyManly | I'm wondering if just installing fglrx would work |
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| 08:37.07 | Lannie | didnt try diff drivers? |
| 08:37.21 | simonlnu | AndyManly: grep KMS /var/log/dmesg |
| 08:38.12 | AndyManly | simonlnu, it returns nothing |
| 08:38.29 | AndyManly | Lannie, not yet and I want to avoid doing it if i can |
| 08:38.59 | Lannie | i agree but it may be your only option |
| 08:39.11 | jelly-home | AndyManly: you might want to say you're using squeeze and radeonhd drivers. |
| 08:39.19 | simonlnu | new device, or older? |
| 08:39.21 | cmyers | Hey all - I am having a lot of trouble finding reliable-sounding advice on the intarwebs. I want to run dual monitors, using DVI, under debian, and be able to use xinerama, xrandr, and 3d accel. Open source drivers would be nice if possible, but my understanding is proprietary drivers are probably my best bet to get all of that working. I don't need *huge FPS*, just enough 3d accel for like, minecraft and crap. ATI, nVidia, Intel? Specific cards? |
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| 08:39.41 | AndyManly | simonlnu, relatively new. no older than 3 or 4 years |
| 08:39.47 | AndyManly | the device itself is a radeon hd 4350 |
| 08:40.00 | AndyManly | also jelly-home... woops. thanks :P |
| 08:40.03 | simonlnu | radeonhd might be your best bet |
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| 08:40.09 | simonlnu | !radeonhd |
| 08:40.09 | dpkg | radeonhd is a deprecated open source display driver for Radeon R5xx, R6xx and R7xx chipsets. Packaged as xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd, ask me about <radeon firmware>. radeonhd does not support <KMS> (Debian bug #575226). http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeonhd #radeonhd on irc.freenode.net. Removed from Debian post-Squeeze to resolve bug #612190, ask me about <radeon>. |
| 08:40.26 | jelly-home | might be missing firmware? |
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| 08:40.35 | simonlnu | ah that would explain the lack of kms |
| 08:40.39 | simonlnu | could be |
| 08:40.43 | Lannie | yes lol |
| 08:40.44 | AndyManly | hm |
| 08:40.47 | Lannie | was just going to say |
| 08:40.50 | jelly-home | no, they just don't go the kms route |
| 08:40.53 | AndyManly | maybe if I grabbed the newer driver set |
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| 08:41.04 | Lannie | im telling ya |
| 08:41.05 | AndyManly | non-deprecated |
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| 08:41.17 | jelly-home | ,versions xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 08:41.19 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-radeon on i386 -- lenny: 1:6.9.0-1+lenny4; squeeze: 1:6.13.1-2+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1:6.14.2-1~bpo60+1; sid: 1:6.14.3-1; wheezy: 1:6.14.3-1 |
| 08:41.19 | Lannie | instead of fooling around with individual libs |
| 08:41.33 | jelly-home | huh, so there is a backport |
| 08:41.46 | simonlnu | hmmm |
| 08:41.47 | AndyManly | would I have to purge radeonhd before installing radeon |
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| 08:41.56 | AndyManly | i know I have to do that for FGLRX |
| 08:41.57 | simonlnu | no |
| 08:42.07 | jelly-home | AndyManly: first try the xserver-xorg-video-radeon from squeeze, see how it works. No need to remove the current driver. |
| 08:42.16 | AndyManly | mkay. |
| 08:42.19 | AndyManly | trying. thanks :9 |
| 08:42.21 | AndyManly | :) |
| 08:42.33 | rainfyre | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:42.33 | simonlnu | unlike fglrx they co-installable |
| 08:42.37 | simonlnu | they're |
| 08:42.45 | AndyManly | xserver-xorg-video-radeon is already the newest version. |
| 08:42.46 | AndyManly | xserver-xorg-video-radeon set to manually installed. |
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| 08:42.56 | AndyManly | manually installed? |
| 08:43.10 | jelly-home | you just told the system to install it. |
| 08:43.50 | jelly-home | that was a manual instruction |
| 08:44.13 | simonlnu | manually done. with your hands. typing at the keyboard. |
| 08:44.22 | AndyManly | in binary?!! |
| 08:44.32 | simonlnu | ascii allowed |
| 08:44.56 | AndyManly | I see. where would the file be located to start the installation from |
| 08:45.36 | simonlnu | !listkeys no-frree firmware |
| 08:45.38 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'no-frree firmware' by key returned no results. |
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| 08:45.41 | simonlnu | bah |
| 08:45.45 | Lannie | rpm -i lol |
| 08:45.54 | simonlnu | !listkeys firmware |
| 08:45.56 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'firmware' by key (15 of 28): #debian ipw2200 firmware ;; 88w8363 firmware ;; _default openfirmware ;; acx firmware ;; alsa firmware ;; atheros firmware ;; firmware netinst ;; ivtv firmware ;; iwlwifi firmware #del# ;; linux-firmware ;; open firmware ;; openfirmware ;; prism2_usb firmware ;; radeon firmware ;; radeonhd firmware. |
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| 08:46.15 | simonlnu | !radeon firmware |
| 08:46.16 | dpkg | Binary-only firmware was removed from the radeon <DRM> driver at linux-2.6 2.6.29-1 (Debian bug #494009), now packaged separately in firmware-linux-nonfree. Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance in the <radeon> and <radeonhd> xorg drivers is commonly experienced. To acquire, ask me about <non-free sources>. This is not applicable to Lenny systems with the 2.6.26 kernel, or for use of the <fglrx> driver. |
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| 08:47.10 | simonlnu | Lannie: and dpkg would laugh in your face saying whachyatalkinaboutwillis?! |
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| 08:47.33 | Lannie | i know im a fedora guy lol\ |
| 08:47.47 | AndyManly | how do I manually install :( |
| 08:48.12 | Lannie | your running ubuntu? |
| 08:48.16 | AndyManly | debian |
| 08:48.18 | simonlnu | AndyManly: it already is. like jelly-home said, you probably need 'firmware-linux-nonfree' package |
| 08:48.20 | AndyManly | squeeze |
| 08:48.26 | AndyManly | oh ok |
| 08:48.39 | simonlnu | after you get that installed, you'll need to reboot |
| 08:48.55 | Lannie | yeah thats a must |
| 08:49.03 | simonlnu | if it's not installed. you can find out by grepping your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 08:50.15 | jelly-home | Lannie: you don't have to comment on stuff if you don't know how it's done in Debian. |
| 08:50.22 | simonlnu | cmyers: desktop? laptop? what's the question, "what should i get?" |
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| 08:50.50 | AndyManly | simonlnu, grepping "nonfree" in that file returned nothing |
| 08:50.58 | AndyManly | so I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's not installed |
| 08:50.59 | Lannie | jelly its was a joke |
| 08:51.03 | simonlnu | AndyManly: um, no. |
| 08:51.10 | Lannie | the rpm comment |
| 08:51.11 | AndyManly | hm? |
| 08:51.15 | simonlnu | *sigh* |
| 08:51.17 | simonlnu | sec |
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| 08:52.41 | jelly-home | Lannie: just saying, better to leave the channel for actual tech support; if you want to chat, come to #debian-offtopic |
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| 08:53.41 | simonlnu | sorry about that, check your syslog or dmesg again for something like 'Loading RXXXX Microcode' |
| 08:53.45 | simonlnu | AndyManly: ^^ |
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| 08:54.21 | simonlnu | obviously don't grep for the XXXX literally.. |
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| 08:55.02 | simonlnu | should tell you if the firmware was loaded or not found |
| 08:55.04 | AndyManly | simonlnu, dmesg shows [ 5.880246] [drm] Loading RV710 Microcode |
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| 08:55.30 | simonlnu | ah ok, it found it |
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| 08:56.05 | AndyManly | that means the firmware is not necessary, yes? |
| 08:56.07 | simonlnu | try using the backport for xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 08:56.20 | simonlnu | it's already there, so need to do anythign there |
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| 08:56.24 | AndyManly | ok |
| 08:56.42 | simonlnu | you'll have to log out of to do that |
| 08:56.53 | simonlnu | out of x* |
| 08:57.07 | simonlnu | ...so the right driver is loaded |
| 08:58.00 | AndyManly | okay |
| 08:58.05 | AndyManly | dumb question |
| 08:58.13 | AndyManly | how does one log out of x again :( |
| 08:58.40 | simonlnu | exit the session. depends on type. |
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| 09:00.31 | simonlnu | stuff like xfce, kde, gnome, there's 'log out' from the main menu. |
| 09:00.45 | AndyManly | OH ok |
| 09:00.46 | AndyManly | I see |
| 09:00.48 | AndyManly | k sec |
| 09:00.54 | simonlnu | wms usually have their own mechanism |
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| 09:01.15 | jelly-home | bring me back my Control Alt Backspace |
| 09:01.28 | simonlnu | i enable that ;) |
| 09:01.55 | jelly-home | me three |
| 09:02.06 | simonlnu | Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps,altwin:meta_win,compose:menu,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" |
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| 09:09.16 | AndyManly | tried to install the backport and that wound up breaking the original driver :/ |
| 09:09.32 | AndyManly | and not installing the backport |
| 09:10.05 | simonlnu | eh... what did you use to do that? i suggest aptitude's TUI |
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| 09:10.26 | AndyManly | i grabbed the .deb from debian's backports |
| 09:10.30 | AndyManly | and used dkpg |
| 09:10.35 | simonlnu | no... |
| 09:10.38 | simonlnu | !bpo |
| 09:10.38 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <bdo key> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
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| 09:15.33 | AndyManly | say I just went ahead and installed fglrx |
| 09:15.40 | AndyManly | would I have to purge the xserver drivers |
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| 09:16.27 | simonlnu | i'll say you're on your own then, and refer you to #ati or wherever they life those folks |
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| 09:25.28 | jelly-home | AndyManly: probably best to install them "the debian way" if those versions work. |
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| 09:41.16 | fff | hi |
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| 09:42.55 | polysics | hi |
| 09:43.01 | polysics | sorry if this is too general a question |
| 09:43.23 | polysics | but how come wkhtmltopdf runs VERY slow on my Debian machines? anyone encountered this? |
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| 09:53.48 | boudiccas | polysics; and what is 'wkhtmltopdf' please? never heard of it |
| 09:54.13 | polysics | boudiccas: uses QT and Webkit to generate images or PDFs of HTML |
| 09:54.18 | polysics | without an X server |
| 09:54.27 | boudiccas | ah right, thanks |
| 09:54.49 | leirbag | is it possible to have flat binary of debootstrap ? |
| 09:54.53 | boudiccas | what version of debian are you running it on? |
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| 09:55.27 | leirbag | unstable |
| 09:55.39 | boudiccas | polysics; that was for you? |
| 09:55.58 | polysics | 6.0 |
| 09:56.18 | boudiccas | polysics; sounds like you need to upgrade, its now 6.0.3 |
| 09:56.52 | polysics | i can try a system upgrade, sure |
| 09:57.17 | boudiccas | polysics; just do sudo apt-get upgrade, after a apt-get update |
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| 10:12.53 | leirbag | there is a debian repository with binfmt binary ? |
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| 10:14.45 | jelly | leirbag: there's cdebootstrap. |
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| 10:21.30 | leirbag | jelly: thanks but I think Debian is not supported on my board ... :), no mmu/no elf :/ |
| 10:21.34 | leirbag | (arm7) |
| 10:22.37 | ompaul | leirbag: have you stuck your head into #debian-arm ? |
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| 10:25.51 | leirbag | nope |
| 10:27.13 | ompaul | leirbag: it might be good for you to go there and hang around for a bit given the chipset |
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| 10:27.27 | leirbag | thanks, I'm connected :) |
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| 10:27.48 | ompaul | aiui the active population varies with the world clock no idea what time is better |
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| 10:30.46 | colo-work | I just installed sshfs and all its fuse deps on Squeeze on an arm box, and /dev/fuse is set up like this: "crw------- 1 root fuse 10, 229 Dec 7 11:20 /dev/fuse" |
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| 10:31.05 | colo-work | doesn't seem right; why are its perms set to 600 instead of, say, 660? |
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| 10:32.24 | colo-work | ah, restarting udev and fuse in order solved the problem |
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| 10:37.11 | nikara | Hello. How to configure Gnome apps (such as evince) to use the GTK+ theme? |
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| 10:37.43 | Andrew_Cooper | Hi. Been using Ubuntu for a while. However, doing some work on a Debian machine with only CLI access. I need to start several processes from the command line. However, when I start the first process, it won't give me the command line back until I halt the process with ctrl-c. Is there a way to get a new command line without halting the process or opening a new terminal? |
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| 10:37.59 | nikara | I'm on wheezy |
| 10:38.02 | babilen | nikara: You can select the theme in gnome in the control-center (→ appearance) |
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| 10:38.37 | nikara | babilen: Any way to do it without installing it? |
| 10:39.20 | babilen | nikara: Ah, you have to set the gtk3 theme -- $ cat .config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini |
| 10:39.22 | babilen | [Settings] |
| 10:39.27 | babilen | gtk-theme-name = Adwaita |
| 10:39.34 | nikara | Oh, thanks |
| 10:39.58 | babilen | nikara: Err, that wasn't complete. I wanted to paste http://paste.debian.net/148450/ :) |
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| 10:40.50 | nikara | babilen: No, I figured out what I was doing wrong. I was expecting the GTK 2 theme to appear in GTK 3 apps without realizing I had GTK 3 installed. :) |
| 10:40.55 | babilen | nikara: I would also like to invite you to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) which is a channel specifically for wheezy/sid support. |
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| 10:41.10 | babilen | nikara: That was indeed your mistake |
| 10:41.26 | nikara | babilen: Thanks |
| 10:41.50 | babilen | Have fun -- There might be other GTK3 themes than Adwaita, but it is the only one that I am aware of. |
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| 10:42.52 | Alasia | can anyone help me setting up postfix? i have already installed posfix with a local-only configuration. what do i have to do to send mails to an local exchange-server |
| 10:43.08 | batouzo | dpkg can list (-l) expressions like 'lib*' but how to remove all 'lib*' ? |
| 10:43.10 | dpkg | batouzo: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 10:43.52 | babilen | batouzo: "aptitude purge '~i~n^lib'" -- Note that you *really* don't want that. |
| 10:44.05 | babilen | batouzo: or s/purge/remove if that is what you want |
| 10:44.34 | batouzo | babilen: I want to purge all linux-*-3.1.4-* |
| 10:44.52 | batouzo | so ~i is installed? ~n is what? and the rest is regexp? |
| 10:45.43 | babilen | batouzo: ~n is name, ^ is "at-the-beginning" -- See http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html for an overview. |
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| 10:49.30 | afuentes | what does debian.net have to do with debian.org? |
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| 10:50.57 | batouzo | thanks babilen ; btw hwo to use the long form like ?installed on command line with command remove? |
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| 10:52.09 | babilen | batouzo: Something like aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' ? |
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| 10:53.43 | batouzo | babilen: ok I see. Was missing the braces |
| 10:54.33 | jokar | hello all |
| 10:54.40 | jokar | i need help about cryptonas |
| 10:54.53 | jokar | what is user name and password? |
| 10:55.01 | babilen | jokar: What is cryptonas? |
| 10:55.27 | jokar | babilen: like freenas |
| 10:55.35 | jokar | a distro for make nas hard disk |
| 10:56.09 | babilen | jokar: What does this have to do with Debian? Ask them, we honestly have no idea. |
| 10:56.32 | jokar | it is based on debian |
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| 10:57.44 | babilen | jokar: We can and will only support Debian in here, find their support channels and ask there. Good luck! |
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| 11:14.29 | folivora | Gday, I have maybe a stupid question, but let say I need to use unetbootin to create a boot-disk. It needs to be started as sudo, but when I use sudo unetbootin I get error: No protocol Specified, unetbootin: cannot connect to X server :0 |
| 11:14.55 | folivora | I get same problem with all programs which I need to run as sudo / and they are using X |
| 11:15.08 | ZekeS | folivora: install gksu or kdesu |
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| 11:15.17 | ZekeS | gtk and qt respectively |
| 11:15.20 | Aprendiz_ | If I have ldap configured in nss I have use ldap for samba folders? |
| 11:15.33 | ZekeS | then invoke the software with i.e. gksudo foo |
| 11:16.02 | folivora | ZekeS: ok. When this change have come to Debian? |
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| 11:16.48 | ZekeS | folivora: idk specifically; it's just the general sudo-in-x method I've larned ._. |
| 11:17.08 | folivora | Weird, I have used to just use sudo. =) |
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| 11:21.00 | babilen | !tell folivora -about sudo path |
| 11:21.16 | babilen | folivora: Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 11:21.39 | babilen | folivora: Ah, misread your question. ZekeS got it right :) |
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| 11:22.16 | fly_80 | hello |
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| 11:23.17 | fly_80 | is there a backport-squeeze package for IceWeasel 8? I actually run the 5.0, but I would like to update it |
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| 11:23.47 | babilen | fly_80: http://mozilla.debian.net |
| 11:24.15 | fly_80 | babilen, i'll check it out |
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| 11:28.29 | fly_80 | babilen, that's perfect, i'm going to upgrade |
| 11:28.57 | babilen | fly_80: Enjoy - You probably want to track IW's/FF's release channel |
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| 11:31.15 | fly_80 | yes, i already had a component to that repository, but it was IceWeasel-5.0, not iceweasel-release |
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| 11:33.10 | patterson | cool. wonder what is streaming on all channels |
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| 11:35.00 | patterson | tshe was agonizing aboout her presentation skills someplace |
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| 11:42.28 | nikolaj_basher | Hi there. Is there someone who know how to handle error: no valid servers configured I trys to setup proftpd |
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| 11:55.15 | Jayro | Hello, I am adding 2 new drives to /etc/fstab, how do i determine the filesystem they are using? |
| 11:56.13 | nkuttler | Jayro: mkfs, and man 5 fstab |
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| 12:00.34 | daniel-s | hi |
| 12:00.49 | daniel-s | how does apt decide what to use as a web proxy |
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| 12:01.05 | daniel-s | I have moved networks and now it is looking for a web proxy at 8118:80 |
| 12:01.13 | mrstocks | hello, after a apt-get install linux-source-3.1 where does the source go ? |
| 12:01.14 | daniel-s | the old proxy was localhost:8118 |
| 12:01.18 | daniel-s | these seems odd |
| 12:01.20 | daniel-s | *this |
| 12:01.56 | daniel-s | mrstocks: (I think) /usr/src |
| 12:02.02 | mrstocks | no |
| 12:02.23 | mrstocks | only the headers are there |
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| 12:03.18 | babilen | daniel-s: It uses the http_proxy environment variable -- See also "man apt.conf" → THE ACQUIRE GROUP → http |
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| 12:03.48 | daniel-s | ahhh!!!!!! |
| 12:04.05 | daniel-s | i did HTTP_PROXY="http://localhost:8118" |
| 12:04.09 | daniel-s | works now |
| 12:04.26 | babilen | !next |
| 12:04.26 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 12:07.29 | Jayro | here is an interesting problem. I can mount a drive manually form the cli, but fstab wont mount the drive. I am guessing because it is USB and is not availible when its booting. Is there a way to delay fstab? or should I jsut write a script to mount it later in the boot process? |
| 12:07.43 | colo-work | use the "noauto" option |
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| 12:07.56 | Jayro | colo-work, what does that do? |
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| 12:08.01 | colo-work | in conjunction with the "user" option, if you want non-root accounts to be able to mount it without resorting to sudo |
| 12:08.14 | colo-work | "noauto" does not mount the filesystem upon booting |
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| 12:08.35 | colo-work | but you can still mount it by specifying either only the device or only the mountpoint as mount's argument |
| 12:08.49 | Jayro | ah, |
| 12:09.01 | Jayro | either way i have to script it later. |
| 12:09.09 | Jayro | mite aswell keep /etc/fstab clean |
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| 12:11.23 | Morgawr | hey everybody... question time: Is there a way to patch the "default" debian kernel without having to do all the menuconfig and module selection and all that stuff? I'm asking cause I'm planning to distribute a patched kernel for a software I'm using and as end-product I need a general-purpose kernel like the one that comes out of a debian installer. How does it work? |
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| 12:12.40 | petemc | Morgawr: you can get the debian source, apply your patches and build that |
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| 12:13.10 | Morgawr | petemc: doesn't that kernel ask for me to select all different modules and whatnot? |
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| 12:14.12 | petemc | !kp mantra |
| 12:14.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an <initrd>. |
| 12:15.14 | Morgawr | I don't understand.... do I launch that command or what? |
| 12:15.32 | amee2k | mmh, for some reason that dpkg line just highlighted me |
| 12:15.39 | babilen | Morgawr: Also see http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html → 4.2.2 Simple patching and building |
| 12:16.31 | Morgawr | babilen: thanks a lot, will read that |
| 12:17.13 | amee2k | oh, $nAMEExt >_> |
| 12:17.25 | Morgawr | on a side note, if I want to make a kernel from another pc (because my end-pc has very limited amount of memory), if they are the same arch type, can I just move it after it's compiled and it will run (provided I did everything correctly)? |
| 12:17.45 | petemc | yes |
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| 12:19.32 | mark76 | Glossy is just a shinier version of Clearlooks. I feel cheated :p |
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| 12:19.55 | Morgawr | petemc and babilen, thanks a lot. Going to try now and see how it goes :) |
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| 12:20.02 | fff | hello |
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| 12:20.06 | babilen | Morgawr: Have fun :) |
| 12:22.09 | henaaque | hi |
| 12:22.24 | henaaque | i'm tryng to install apache2-mpm-itk, but i get the following error: http://pastebin.com/5TJ8GGZQ |
| 12:22.28 | henaaque | what can i do? |
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| 12:22.39 | fff | hi |
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| 12:23.32 | babilen | henaaque: Accept the solution? (Provided that is what you want) |
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| 12:25.11 | henaaque | babilen, but i don't know if apache is using prefork |
| 12:25.17 | henaaque | how do i know it? |
| 12:25.38 | ksk | aptitude show apache2-mpm-itk |
| 12:25.42 | ksk | will tell you which model itk uses |
| 12:25.50 | babilen | henaaque: You have apache2-mpm-prefork installed (check, e.g. "aptitude search '~i~n^apache2'") |
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| 12:29.13 | henaaque | ok |
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| 12:30.14 | shudacr | plop |
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| 12:33.18 | shudacr | ah! y'a du monde ici aussi! |
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| 12:35.33 | e_ | hm, is there something like dpkg --compareversion available in python somewhere? |
| 12:36.41 | ArcAngel | bleh |
| 12:36.43 | ArcAngel | http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-5493.html |
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| 12:37.03 | ArcAngel | seems even sysconfig/network DOMAINNAME is not read on boot |
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| 12:37.59 | dimir | ArcAngel: oh, you again. |
| 12:38.07 | ArcAngel | will blow up the test machine before donig the prods |
| 12:38.12 | dimir | I wonder how is fedora related to debian. |
| 12:38.18 | ArcAngel | oh hey dimir |
| 12:38.21 | dimir | ArcAngel: yo |
| 12:38.21 | ArcAngel | are you stalking me? |
| 12:38.24 | dimir | ye |
| 12:38.25 | ArcAngel | =P |
| 12:38.30 | dimir | ArcAngel: you are using the wrong op sys. |
| 12:38.31 | dimir | :-D |
| 12:38.32 | mosno | not to mention the fact that fedoraforum.org is timing-out |
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| 12:38.49 | babilen | e_: Take a look at python-apt -- http://apt.alioth.debian.org/python-apt-doc/ |
| 12:38.50 | ArcAngel | dimir: no shit, it can't even do proper domain naming |
| 12:38.51 | dimir | ArcAngel: do you even check the channel names you join? :-D |
| 12:38.59 | ArcAngel | yes |
| 12:39.13 | dimir | ArcAngel: ircing stoned again? :-D |
| 12:39.20 | ArcAngel | this concerns my work.. rhel machines |
| 12:39.31 | ArcAngel | not my private shiny debians |
| 12:39.35 | ArcAngel | =D |
| 12:39.37 | dimir | ArcAngel: I thought #fedora has not less users than this chan. :-) |
| 12:39.42 | babilen | ArcAngel: Do you have a Debian related question? |
| 12:39.43 | dimir | oh |
| 12:39.44 | dimir | :-D |
| 12:40.00 | ArcAngel | babilen: no.. debian i can handle =P |
| 12:40.27 | ArcAngel | it has not problems with setting domain names |
| 12:40.30 | babilen | ArcAngel: I would kindly ask you to take it to a more appropriate channel then. Thank you. |
| 12:40.30 | dimir | I know what's the issue. |
| 12:41.02 | ArcAngel | dimir: what then? |
| 12:41.23 | dimir | ArcAngel feels pity he has to deal with fedora at work but he loves debian so much he can't force himself to join #fedora, it's so embarassing so he asks here. |
| 12:41.41 | dimir | ArcAngel: Am I right? |
| 12:42.02 | babilen | Lets drop it please. |
| 12:42.16 | ArcAngel | fedora != rhel ? |
| 12:42.29 | dimir | ArcAngel: not exactly |
| 12:42.39 | dimir | ArcAngel: but also rpm, so ... |
| 12:42.55 | ArcAngel | since RedHat 4 i kindof stopped following it |
| 12:43.01 | ArcAngel | all the splits |
| 12:43.26 | mjt | so, ArcAngel was asking "not-so-sensical" questions in #rhel, now he's sort-of-trolling in #debian. yay. |
| 12:43.30 | dimir | ArcAngel: rhel == enterprice, centos == rebuild rhel sources, so it's like enterprice for the poor, fedora == fully community driven shit. |
| 12:43.31 | babilen | ArcAngel, dimir: Take it to #fedora or #rhel or whereever. *This* is not an appropriate channel. |
| 12:43.54 | ArcAngel | o0oh |
| 12:43.57 | ArcAngel | hehe |
| 12:44.03 | ArcAngel | damn |
| 12:44.06 | ArcAngel | =D |
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| 12:44.10 | dimir | :-P |
| 12:44.15 | ArcAngel | my appologies |
| 12:44.20 | dimir | bye bye |
| 12:44.25 | dimir | We are goners. |
| 12:44.28 | dimir | See you in hell! |
| 12:44.36 | dimir | :-D |
| 12:44.37 | babilen | Stop it |
| 12:45.01 | ArcAngel | babilen: really sorry, i missed #rhel by 1 number |
| 12:45.06 | dimir | Relax Volodja. :-D |
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| 13:11.48 | temp_nick | hi guys, debian has some sort of auto-partitioner that sudgests space right? |
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| 13:14.39 | petemc | temp_nick: yes |
| 13:14.47 | petemc | it has guided partitioning |
| 13:15.54 | temp_nick | petemc: ok, works like any modern dist? |
| 13:16.05 | temp_nick | petemc: enter to continiue? ;) |
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| 13:16.18 | petemc | yes... |
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| 13:18.10 | temp_nick | petemc: thank you very much, will add you to my virtual xmas-card-list :) |
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| 13:18.16 | babilen | temp_nick: If you plan to use multiple partitions I wouldn't trust d-i to pick sensible sizes. Use LVM and choose a partitioning (rather volume group) scheme that fits your needs and hardware. |
| 13:18.25 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 13:20.18 | michelem | aloha folks |
| 13:20.22 | michelem | from the initramfs-tools man it seems that the filesystem check is performed by the system; however I can't find trace of fsck in the scripts provided by initramfs. What is the case? |
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| 13:21.30 | michelem | the man page goes "local-premount ... run after the sanity of the root device has been verified (local)" |
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| 13:25.14 | henaaque | how od i jail users to their home folders? |
| 13:25.18 | henaaque | do i* |
| 13:26.07 | petemc | rbash |
| 13:27.15 | henaaque | i'll search for it |
| 13:27.23 | henaaque | thanks! |
| 13:29.11 | henaaque | where do i download rbash? |
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| 13:31.53 | petemc | henaaque: you should already have /bin/rbash which is just a symlink to bash but changes the bash shell behaviour when called |
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| 13:32.46 | henaaque | petemc, thx |
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| 13:40.54 | mrstocks | where do i get the linux.h ? |
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| 13:42.51 | gnugr | what is linux.h? |
| 13:42.57 | babilen | mrstocks: What are you trying to do? You most likely want to install your kernel headers (e.g. linux-headers-{amd64,686,...}) |
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| 13:44.20 | mrstocks | babilen compile a module, from nvidia but its complain about the linux.h |
| 13:44.36 | babilen | !tell mrstocks -about nvidia dkms |
| 13:45.09 | mrstocks | on im testing |
| 13:45.15 | mrstocks | with the 3.1 kernel |
| 13:46.04 | mrstocks | i thought it was included witht he headers |
| 13:46.11 | mrstocks | the find doesn't find anything |
| 13:46.12 | mrstocks | usuless |
| 13:46.43 | babilen | mrstocks: It shouldn't be hard to adapt that factoid to testing. (The essential change is that you want a different kernel header package (i.e. *not* -2.6-)) -- I've noted above with metapckage would be suitable and the rest still applies. |
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| 13:47.12 | cyrilb | hi |
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| 13:47.44 | cyrilb | I sent a mail to debian-jobs 5 days ago and it still has not been moderated |
| 13:48.02 | cyrilb | do you know how long it would take? |
| 13:49.26 | babilen | cyrilb: You could try #debian-lists on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) -- Please provide applicable MTA logs for this email on a pastebin such as http://paste.debian.net -- I am, however, not sure who moderates that list or how it is run. |
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| 13:50.06 | cyrilb | babilen: trying, thanks |
| 13:50.14 | babilen | cyrilb: Good luck :) |
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| 13:59.38 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 13:59.48 | gypsymauro | there is a way to know when a packgage was installed? |
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| 14:00.00 | gypsymauro | or updated |
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| 14:00.34 | abrotman | gypsymauro: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 14:01.02 | tawtaw | i just installed zendframework and the -bin package. but i am not sure how to verify that its working and enabled. could somebody give me a suggestion? i am installing zendframwork so that i can install ioncube and run it. : |
| 14:01.10 | gypsymauro | abrotman: it's empty :( |
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| 14:15.01 | abrotman | gypsymauro: /var/log/aptitude ? |
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| 14:18.58 | gypsymauro | abrotman: I'm using apt-get not aptitude |
| 14:19.13 | abrotman | gypsymauro: so why is your dpkg.log empty ? |
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| 14:19.25 | abrotman | gypsymauro: which version of Linux is this? |
| 14:20.22 | gypsymauro | squeeze |
| 14:21.06 | abrotman | your dpkg.log shouldn't be empty |
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| 14:50.52 | Twinkletoes | Is there any information which describes the process for setting up a WAN to connect all our satellite offices together? |
| 14:52.14 | tvm | twinkletoes: just google for general VPN setup howto |
| 14:52.46 | Twinkletoes | tvm: Are there advantages choosing debian-based or choosing a device like a Juniper SRX-100? |
| 14:52.56 | Twinkletoes | (apart from cost) |
| 14:53.28 | tvm | dunno, i work in fairly big company and we just use openvpn for everything |
| 14:53.28 | cthuluh | nobody got fired for choosing juniper |
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| 14:53.42 | pizza_biz | while i supposed hardened debian systems are more than capable at handling site-to-site persistent VPN, i'd probably invest in dedicated infrastructure like sonicwall, cisco, or yeah juniper. |
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| 14:53.56 | tvm | be it csv commits from outside, server managment, data transfers. |
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| 14:54.38 | Twinkletoes | We have an old piece of Junuiper kit already which does some WAN stuff, and VPN - but the VPN is so flaky, it stops working from time to time and works for some users and not others for no apparent reason, so I mistil still stick with OpenVPN on Debian for home dial-in |
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| 14:55.44 | Twinkletoes | tvm: I already use OpenVPN , with a gateway server connecting to the head office, but I can't access resoruces on the client's side behind the router |
| 14:56.03 | Twinkletoes | tvm (or shoudl I say, behind the OpenVPN client gateway) |
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| 14:56.21 | pizza_biz | the problematic key word there is "old" -- you could be overtaxing it, or it might just be ready for retirement. |
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| 14:56.39 | Twinkletoes | pizza_biz: It's a pile of poo, but it wouldn't stop me buying a device again as long as it worked |
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| 14:57.08 | Twinkletoes | pizza_biz: FWIW it's an SSG-5, and Juniper don't support it any more so won't help. The equivalent is an SRX-100 |
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| 14:58.14 | pizza_biz | yeah, i've got sonicwall gear that i've gotta replace next quarter because the model is EOL for support. still rock solid though. </offtopic> |
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| 15:06.42 | e_ | hm, so i'm following the new maintainer guide and had dh_make generate the debian/ subdir and the files for a library i want to package. in the control file it generated libFoo, libFoo-dev and libFooBROKEN. what is the last part for? |
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| 15:09.24 | mjt | e_: you may have better luck in #debian-mentors on oftc |
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| 15:10.16 | e_ | thanks, will try |
| 15:10.25 | e_ | ehm |
| 15:10.31 | e_ | ah, oftc |
| 15:10.32 | e_ | he he |
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| 15:11.10 | Bogus8 | Anyone here using 3ware 3d2m? I all of a sudden can't get the web interface to come up. Process is running and netstat shows that it's listening, but I timeout when connecting (via LAN). Only thing I've done differently is installed apache and php (and assorted stuff). |
| 15:11.13 | mjt | e_: irc.debian.org. CNAME irc.geo.oftc.net. |
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| 15:15.10 | JodaZ | how do i have rsync only output all files it actually added or changed ? |
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| 15:17.28 | nenillo | my server is taking too long on ssh login, it's not a DNS problem, what else could be? load is 0 |
| 15:17.45 | mjt | how do you know it is not dns? |
| 15:17.51 | JodaZ | nenillo, how long does it take ? whats the ping to the server ? |
| 15:18.02 | nenillo | outgoing ssh connections are failing too |
| 15:18.10 | nenillo | most of the time is timeout |
| 15:18.18 | nenillo | ping is good |
| 15:18.26 | nenillo | all services are good but ssh |
| 15:18.52 | Bogus8 | my server unexpectedly shut down last night. What logs should I check (system and kernal don't show anything of interest). |
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| 15:21.24 | JodaZ | nenillo, if you open a connection (using netcat or telnet) to the ssh port, how long does it take for the banner to appear ? |
| 15:21.44 | JodaZ | nenillo, and still, whats the ping and how long does it take to login to ssh |
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| 15:22.16 | nenillo | the banner appears instantly |
| 15:22.27 | nenillo | the problem is after sending the password |
| 15:22.28 | wizoz | Is it possible to ignore output from a script if it's not getting any errors? I do not want to have _any_ output from 'sftp ...' if it's successful. |
| 15:22.29 | nenillo | it takes forever |
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| 15:22.45 | nenillo | I just logged in once |
| 15:23.07 | nenillo | I am logged now but can't open any new connection, ingoing or outgoing from/to the server |
| 15:23.13 | nenillo | it hangs on the password step |
| 15:23.17 | mjt | wizoz: sftp -q maybe? |
| 15:23.51 | wizoz | mjt: There is no such flag. |
| 15:24.04 | mjt | there is on my version |
| 15:24.13 | mjt | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.13 | mjt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:24.43 | JodaZ | nenillo, maybe strace sshd to debug ? |
| 15:25.01 | wizoz | mjt: What version? |
| 15:25.14 | JodaZ | nenillo, on the other hand, this sounds like a firewall problem... |
| 15:25.28 | mjt | Version: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze1 |
| 15:25.34 | mick_laptop | anyone know if you can save a screen session to a file and re-read it later? |
| 15:25.56 | nenillo | it happens on different ports |
| 15:26.03 | nenillo | strace to sshd |
| 15:26.06 | nenillo | ok, i'll try |
| 15:26.34 | mick_laptop | I just realized that I need to restart (new gfx driver) and I'm doing a bunch of stuff in screen (who doesn't?) |
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| 15:26.57 | mick_laptop | so I just figured it would be easy to pickup where I left off after the reboot |
| 15:28.23 | mick_laptop | nenillo: are you using just the ip? |
| 15:28.41 | JodaZ | nenillo, but you still didn't answer how slow, ssh is "slow" too here, login takes a few roundtrip times |
| 15:28.45 | nenillo | running a copy of the ssh daemon works fine |
| 15:28.50 | mick_laptop | if you have a bad reverse entry (dns) it can also take forever and act wonky |
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| 15:29.02 | nenillo | slow is "forever" 99% of the time |
| 15:29.14 | mick_laptop | use verbose: -vvvv |
| 15:29.19 | JodaZ | so its propably that dns problem.... |
| 15:29.24 | mick_laptop | and see where it starts to act weird |
| 15:29.24 | Bogus8 | mick_laptop: not if you have to restart... at least I don't think in my VERY limited knowledge. But I LIVE in screen... so if it is something possible, I also would LOVE to hear about it. |
| 15:29.32 | JodaZ | never had that myself, what would i need to break to get it ? |
| 15:29.57 | mick_laptop | Bogus8: ya, that is why I'm asking the lazywebs :) |
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| 15:30.41 | Bogus8 | mick_laptop: can't you just drop out of X and back in to fix the driver issue? |
| 15:30.48 | mick_laptop | well guys, I'll be back after my restart - luckily this session is in a different screen ;) |
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| 15:31.12 | mick_laptop | Bogus8: for a new driver, don't you need to restart? |
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| 15:31.50 | Bogus8 | mick_laptop: I don't use X but I'm just guessing the serious part of the driver loads with X... but like I said, I don't do X so I'm pretty ignorant there. |
| 15:32.10 | mick_laptop | it is a kernel thing |
| 15:32.19 | mick_laptop | and w/o ksplice I doubt that is possible |
| 15:32.21 | Bogus8 | lets face it, plain and simple, I'm pretty ignorant. :) |
| 15:32.54 | mick_laptop | oh crapo, oracle now owns ksplice? |
| 15:33.11 | mick_laptop | I don't actually say "crapo" that was a typo |
| 15:33.26 | Bogus8 | we don't believe you. |
| 15:33.40 | nenillo | debug1: userauth-request for user root service ssh-connection method none |
| 15:33.42 | nenillo | method none? |
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| 15:33.45 | nenillo | could it be that? |
| 15:34.03 | nenillo | Failed none for root from x.xx.xx.xx port 57721 ssh2 |
| 15:34.11 | mick_laptop | user root? |
| 15:34.18 | mick_laptop | ahem |
| 15:34.41 | nenillo | well, we are not talking about security now :P |
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| 15:35.09 | nenillo | it happens for users too |
| 15:35.51 | wizoz | How can I completly ignore the output of an command? There is no quiet-flag, and 'sftp ... > /dev/null' don't do the trick. |
| 15:36.10 | mick_laptop | nenillo: no, ssh handles the root user differently, it it allowed? |
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| 15:37.22 | nenillo | root is not the problem |
| 15:37.22 | abrotman | wizoz: redirect all output to devnull |
| 15:37.22 | nenillo | debug1: userauth-request for user nenillo service ssh-connection method none |
| 15:37.44 | wizoz | abrotman: How is that different from the one I did in my question? |
| 15:38.17 | mick_laptop | wizoz: you don't understand that there is more to it. you need to redirect everything |
| 15:38.33 | wizoz | >& ? |
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| 15:39.14 | mick_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.18 | abrotman | !simple bash redirection |
| 15:39.18 | dpkg | well, sbr is simple bash redirection http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-3.html |
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| 15:39.42 | wizoz | mick_laptop: Thanks |
| 15:40.01 | mick_laptop | wizoz: but you should also read that url :) |
| 15:40.08 | wizoz | I will. :) |
| 15:40.15 | mick_laptop | meh, I'll install ksplice while I'm at it |
| 15:40.28 | mick_laptop | that fixes my restart issue anyhow |
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| 15:41.48 | Woet | i'm using preseed to automate an install, and it fails randomly at debootstrap. Console says "debootstrap: EA: /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/stable" and then "debootstrap: EF: No such script: %s" |
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| 15:45.25 | Baribal | Hi. Okay, this is probably n00bish, but googling and apt-cache search didn't really help, so here it goes: How do I get support for the locale de_DE.UTF8? |
| 15:46.38 | nenillo | the problem is that it is not finding the available auth methods... |
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| 15:49.15 | Baribal | Problem solved, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 15:52.12 | joelio | When overriding a kernel image in preseed, does the package have to be a meta-package? I've pushed up a 3.0.x kernel via repreo to my custom repo (due to DKMS issue with proprietry hardware on 3.1.x) and have included the specific package. Doesn't seem to load though |
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| 15:53.17 | joelio | i.e |
| 15:53.17 | joelio | d-i base-installer/kernel/override-image string linux-image-3.0.0-1-amd64 |
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| 16:02.47 | dff | my motd file randomly dissapeared, and of course i dont have a back up - anyone know how i can retrieve it? |
| 16:03.13 | mjt | it gets recreated at boot |
| 16:03.35 | dff | what |
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| 16:03.42 | dff | so each time it reboots the motd is reset? |
| 16:03.50 | mjt | yes |
| 16:03.58 | dff | it's message of the day not message of the reboot |
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| 16:04.22 | dff | well, still, the machine hasnt been rebooted |
| 16:04.36 | dff | 17:04:52 up 7 days, 17:08, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.07, 0.04 |
| 16:04.41 | dff | this just happened |
| 16:05.16 | joelio | d-i base-installer/kernel/image string linux-image-3.0.0-1-amd64 |
| 16:05.17 | joelio | d-i base-installer/kernel/override-image string linux-image-3.0.0-1-amd64 |
| 16:05.24 | joelio | just doesn't work in preseed |
| 16:05.38 | joelio | (works manaully installing that after build) |
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| 16:06.10 | joelio | installs 3.1.x (probably due to linux-2.6-image - great name btw! :P) |
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| 16:07.43 | joelio | wonders if he can select 'none' and add to pkgsel |
| 16:08.20 | wald0 | i have a problem with shutdown/suspend in my thinkpad (debian testing), it doesn't turn offline, i need to force the shutdown with the poweroff button some seconds, which i hate a lot (FS worried) |
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| 16:13.32 | KBme | hi |
| 16:13.44 | jhutchins_lt | !thinkpad |
| 16:13.44 | dpkg | [thinkpad] one of the best laptops you can buy, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman. Some models restrict MiniPCI card use, see http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_unauthorized_MiniPCI_network_card . See also <gobi>, <hdapsd>, <martian>, <mwavem>, <slmodem>, <synaptics>, <tpb>, <trackpoint>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad http://www.thinkwiki.org/ ##ibmthinkpad on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:13.46 | KBme | has anyone managed to install debian to a uefi-enabled server? |
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| 16:14.03 | KBme | or should I just disable UEFI alltogether and forget about it for now? |
| 16:14.36 | jhutchins_lt | wald0: Usually closing the lid does suspend to RAM, not to disk, but that can be configured. |
| 16:15.00 | jhutchins_lt | KBme: Yes, people have installed to UEFI systems. |
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| 16:15.30 | KBme | is there any documentation anywhere? i'm allready stuck at booting the usb I made from the netinst iso |
| 16:15.35 | jhutchins_lt | KBme: iirc you need to partition manually with parted, and you need to use grub2 in Debian. |
| 16:15.57 | jhutchins_lt | !ig |
| 16:15.57 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
| 16:16.27 | KBme | hmmm |
| 16:16.32 | KBme | all right i'll try it |
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| 16:20.36 | jhutchins_lt | KBme: Intel macs have EFI, you can look at documentation for installing on Macs for help. |
| 16:20.48 | wald0 | the problem is by running the command "reboot" or "halt" from a root console directly, jhutchins_lt |
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| 16:22.36 | jhutchins_lt | wald0: Ah, well, see the thinkpad pages then, that's a fairly well known symptom with some BIOSs. Make sure you have the latest BIOS upgrade too. |
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| 16:22.53 | jhutchins_lt | wald0: Which release are you running? |
| 16:22.58 | wald0 | testing |
| 16:23.01 | wald0 | wheezy* |
| 16:23.35 | jhutchins_lt | Oh, well, there you have it. Your test successfully identified a problem. Congratulations! |
| 16:23.54 | wald0 | lol |
| 16:24.13 | jhutchins_lt | wald0: Do you have an install of stable you can boot to to confirm it's a problem with testing? |
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| 16:24.54 | wald0 | jhutchins_lt: i confirm that is a problem of testing somewhere, I have previously an old lenny install, even with a manually-included newer kernel and the problem never happened |
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| 16:25.45 | jhutchins_lt | wald0: Well, that narrows it down some then. |
| 16:26.13 | jhutchins_lt | wald0: They might know something in #debian-next on oftc.net, but you're probably better off with the thinkpad pages above. |
| 16:26.42 | wald0 | im reading them but i dont found anything |
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| 16:33.46 | KBme | jhutchins_lt, thanks for the proti |
| 16:33.48 | KBme | +p |
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| 16:55.09 | mick_laptop | speaking of... can someone recommend a good laptop? Something w/ pretty good support off the bat |
| 16:55.17 | Hanz|Groober | D620 |
| 16:55.19 | petemc | macbook |
| 16:55.21 | Hanz|Groober | Dell D620 |
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| 16:55.26 | Hanz|Groober | dont buy apple, they suck |
| 16:55.46 | mick_laptop | petemc: I did a presentation on running linux on a macbook - I disagree |
| 16:56.00 | mick_laptop | crap broadcom drivers and everything is iffy at best |
| 16:56.09 | petemc | i never said you should run linux on it... |
| 16:56.14 | nkuttler | uh, my powerbook was the only computer in the last decade that *didn't* run debian |
| 16:56.22 | Hanz|Groober | CrapOS??? EWWWW |
| 16:56.41 | mick_laptop | petemc: I stopped buying macs about 6 months ago |
| 16:56.43 | nkuttler | and boy was i glad when that notebook died |
| 16:56.56 | nkuttler | thinkpads all the way |
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| 16:57.43 | mick_laptop | stupid fucking patents that creep me out: one patent on turning on video w/o the user knowing and another to create a screen that is a webcam (each pixel will be a part of the camera0) |
| 16:57.52 | Hanz|Groober | tru |
| 16:57.52 | Hanz|Groober | Lenovo=Quality |
| 16:58.05 | mick_laptop | Hanz|Groober: they fucked up though |
| 16:58.16 | mick_laptop | search: linux on their website |
| 16:58.18 | Hanz|Groober | yeah? |
| 16:58.33 | nkuttler | mick_laptop: my thinkpad came without OS |
| 16:59.11 | Hanz|Groober | goood lower price? |
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| 17:00.40 | mick_laptop | i'll look at the: Dell D620, latest thinkpads and anything else? |
| 17:02.26 | ironmunk | love my x220 if you are going to look for a specific thinkpad |
| 17:02.41 | ironmunk | has support for a mSATA SSD which is lovely |
| 17:02.49 | ironmunk | or a 3g modem if that floats your boat |
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| 17:06.35 | mick_laptop | SSD is awesome and I don't care yet about mobile dialup :) |
| 17:06.49 | mick_laptop | I'll look into that |
| 17:07.03 | jhutchins_lt | I was very happy with a Toshiba Satellite, but it was several years old and is now dead. |
| 17:07.18 | ironmunk | can stick a intel 311 in there for example |
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| 17:07.31 | jhutchins_lt | Running an Aspire One now and it does everything except the smart card reader. |
| 17:07.32 | ironmunk | support is good as well |
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| 17:26.17 | deliria | Does anyone else have flash problems with chromium on debian stable? |
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| 17:37.41 | wad | There seems to be a "source" command, but there is no man page for it. Isn't there supposed to be one? |
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| 17:38.40 | mick_laptop | wad: isn't that a builtin? |
| 17:38.54 | wad | How would I know? There's no man page..... |
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| 17:40.06 | fpu | hello, I'm trying to build debian livecd with live-build |
| 17:40.13 | simonlnu | wad: man bash |
| 17:40.18 | wad | Anyone here know what it does? Googling "linux source" isn't helpful. |
| 17:40.33 | fpu | basically I don't know how to pass packages into "ld config blablabla" command |
| 17:40.35 | fpu | lb* |
| 17:40.39 | simonlnu | then type /source |
| 17:40.51 | fpu | --packages is in many tutorials, but it says there's no such configuration option |
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| 17:42.17 | Baribal | wad, I think you may mean the bash builtin, which AFAIK just executes a file as if you had typed in its contents. AFAIKBIAABS. (...but I am anything but sure) |
| 17:42.24 | mick_laptop | wad: linux command source |
| 17:42.29 | mick_laptop | http://ss64.com/bash/source.html |
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| 17:42.36 | wad | lol |
| 17:42.41 | wad | okay, thanks. So it's just like "." ? |
| 17:42.56 | mick_laptop | ya |
| 17:43.08 | mick_laptop | ./foo |
| 17:43.11 | mick_laptop | vs |
| 17:43.14 | mick_laptop | source foo |
| 17:43.20 | mick_laptop | apparently |
| 17:43.28 | mjt | heh. that's entirely different things :) |
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| 17:43.32 | wad | strange |
| 17:43.41 | mick_laptop | mjt: really? |
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| 17:43.49 | mjt | . foo |
| 17:43.51 | mjt | and |
| 17:43.53 | mjt | source foo |
| 17:43.56 | mjt | are the same |
| 17:44.08 | mick_laptop | that isd what I meant |
| 17:44.08 | mjt | as are . ./foo and source ./foo |
| 17:44.23 | mjt | but . foo is far from ./foo :) |
| 17:44.34 | mick_laptop | :P |
| 17:44.34 | wad | right |
| 17:44.35 | wad | okay, thanks. |
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| 17:46.00 | wad | Yeah, I got that. :) |
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| 17:46.39 | qwd | I'm trying to install Debian on a Thinkpad R51 with debian-6.0.3-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso and after choosing language it starts getting things like partman from the disc. When it's done with that I just have a blue screen with gray bar at the bottom and nothing more happens. Disc stops spinning. |
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| 17:51.34 | abrotman | qwd: are you trying to setup the network also ? did you check the debug screen ? |
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| 17:53.05 | qwd | abrotman: I never get to that part. How do I see the debug screen? |
| 17:53.55 | qwd | I'll do it in english this time to better explain where it stops |
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| 17:55.35 | qwd | This is what I select: Xfce -> Install. Then after language selection it goes to "Loading additional components", and now it's game over. |
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| 17:57.09 | abrotman | qwd: alt-f4 i think ? |
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| 17:57.27 | abrotman | unplug/turn off netowrk devices is one thing to try |
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| 18:00.46 | qwd | abrotman: Looks like you're right. I did expert install and when I chose the network thing it stopped. Alt-F4 shows me "check-missing-firmware: missing firmware files (ipw2200-bss.fw) for ipw2200 |
| 18:00.54 | jhutchins_lt | What is it with Thinkpads this week? Did Lenovo have a sale or something? |
| 18:01.10 | qwd | What do you mean with network devices? Like, go into bios and turn it off there? |
| 18:01.15 | jhutchins_lt | !installer firmware |
| 18:01.15 | dpkg | Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04 and http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
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| 18:05.28 | abrotman | qwd: turn off the switch for the wifi |
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| 18:06.47 | qwd | abrotman: I'll burn a new disc with the firmware. Thanks! |
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| 18:07.38 | cmdrtaco | does anyone know what is listening on port 60400..netstat -ltnp and lsof -i TCP:60040 says nothing... |
| 18:07.59 | kalib | Hi people, is there any how to to install zimbra 7.0 on debian 6.0? |
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| 18:10.02 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions zimbra |
| 18:10.03 | judd | No package named 'zimbra' was found in i386. |
| 18:10.33 | jhutchins_lt | Wait, that's the groupware suite. |
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| 18:10.48 | jhutchins_lt | kalib: I think you have to get it from zimbra. |
| 18:11.00 | untrusted | cmdrtaco: ss -openl |
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| 18:11.37 | kalib | jhutchins_lt, thanks |
| 18:12.04 | mjt | lsof -l will show it for sure, even if it is kernel who's listening. unless someone modified lsof |
| 18:12.51 | abrotman | okay |
| 18:13.05 | abrotman | kalib: you'd probably ask the #zimbra if it exists |
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| 18:13.24 | cmdrtaco | lsof -l is too much to look thourgh |
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| 18:14.52 | mick_laptop | <fry>wonders if actually cmdrtaco... or an imposter</fry> |
| 18:14.56 | cmdrtaco | god is ss -openl supposed to look like crap |
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| 18:17.04 | jhutchins_lt | mick_laptop: That would be a no. |
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| 18:17.12 | jelly-home | cmdrtaco: and you're running the commands as root? |
| 18:17.37 | jelly-home | cmdrtaco: is it 60400 or 60040? |
| 18:17.50 | qwd | abrotman: same problem with that disc. here's debug screen https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-aM7PEOJ9d58/Tt-tXNyL4jI/AAAAAAAAAvU/o47TliYB7Wk/s800/IMG_20111207_191534.jpg |
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| 18:18.16 | cmdrtaco | 60040 |
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| 18:18.46 | mick_laptop | jhutchins_lt: as in, not rob |
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| 18:19.31 | jhutchins_lt | mick_laptop: That would be my guess. |
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| 18:20.01 | Rockj | Q: anyone else experienced troubles with curl not able to resolve hostnames, while both nslookup and dig works as it should on the host? |
| 18:20.32 | Rockj | is curl not using the operating system settings for dns lookups? |
| 18:20.50 | riclark_ | Hi all. Anyone got any idea why a self-signed CA cert validates on oneiric (openssl 1.0.0e) but not on squeeze (openssl 0.9.8o)? "openssl verify ca.crt" gives ca.crt: OK on oneiric and error 20 at 0 depth lookup:unable to get local issuer certificate on squeeze :/ |
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| 18:20.58 | jelly-home | Rockj: curl probably does. dig or host commands might not. |
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| 18:21.15 | jelly-home | Rockj: does getent hosts google.com work? |
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| 18:23.47 | Rockj | jelly-home: yes. afaik dig uses nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf pr default. |
| 18:24.20 | cmdrtaco | jelly-home: are you there? |
| 18:24.20 | Rockj | but getent hosts google.com resolved. |
| 18:24.51 | jelly-home | I'm, in fact, there. |
| 18:26.26 | cmdrtaco | jelly-home: i have never seen this |
| 18:28.04 | jelly-home | cmdrtaco: are you running the commands (netstat, lsof) as root? Are there iptables nat rules in effect? |
| 18:28.10 | riclark_ | Rockj, could it be proxy settings? |
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| 18:28.28 | untrusted | cmdrtaco: ss -openl|grep yourport does not produce any output? |
| 18:28.45 | Rockj | riclark_: not using any as far as I know, if my hosting provider has put my behind any. |
| 18:28.58 | cmdrtaco | jelly-home: yes |
| 18:29.13 | cmdrtaco | ino:14818 sk:ffff88013b4220c0 |
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| 18:30.12 | jelly-home | 0 128 *:22 *:* users:(("sshd",3192,3)) ino:9821 sk:ffff88012fc76e40 |
| 18:30.27 | cmdrtaco | ok mine doesnt show the applicatio name then |
| 18:30.29 | cmdrtaco | same as netstat |
| 18:30.59 | untrusted | cmdrtaco: you are not root |
| 18:31.17 | jelly-home | cmdrtaco: that happens with kernel threads, eg. nfs |
| 18:31.22 | jelly-home | 0 64 *:2049 *:* ino:10570 sk:ffff88012ff194c0 |
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| 18:31.33 | cmdrtaco | but it is listening? |
| 18:31.38 | jelly-home | yes |
| 18:32.34 | cmdrtaco | ok thanks...i have another one too, i dont know why they picked those ports |
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| 18:32.50 | jelly-home | cmdrtaco: rpcinfo -p localhost |
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| 18:33.30 | cmdrtaco | jelly-home: not same ports |
| 18:33.46 | jelly-home | if it were a sunrpc service like nfs, it would restier itself there |
| 18:33.52 | jelly-home | register* |
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| 18:36.56 | pty | hi |
| 18:37.18 | pty | what's the best way to block w00tw00t scans? |
| 18:37.23 | abrotman | gues heran off |
| 18:37.51 | pmade | How to people running wheezy install newer packages? Can you install software from sid without risking installing base packages from sid? |
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| 18:39.03 | fsgxdroid | is wheezy stable enough for everyday usage on a laptop? |
| 18:39.07 | jelly-home | pmade: short answer: "don't" |
| 18:39.11 | jelly-home | fsgxdroid: no |
| 18:39.21 | lupine_85 | fsgxdroid, yes :) |
| 18:39.29 | Justin | pty: ignore them? |
| 18:39.33 | lupine_85 | well, depends on how stable you want it |
| 18:39.47 | lupine_85 | squeeze doesn't support my laptop (thinkpad), so I use wheezy, and it works fine |
| 18:39.57 | fsgxdroid | i have t61 |
| 18:39.58 | jelly-home | fsgxdroid: it's stable if and only if you're well versed in fixing package discrepancies and breakage in Debian, and smart enough NOT TO UPGRADE ANYTHING if you have to do work |
| 18:40.01 | cmdrtaco | jelly-home: how can i use the inode information to figure out what it is? |
| 18:40.08 | pmade | jelly-home: That's the answer I've seen around, but I'm sure people don't just stick with the same packages for two years |
| 18:40.14 | pty | Justin: I'm tired to have a big log with stupids w00tw00t scans |
| 18:40.20 | jelly-home | cmdrtaco: I have no further ideas to offer at this point, sorry |
| 18:40.24 | cmdrtaco | cat /proc/net/tcp shows the same inode... |
| 18:41.03 | jelly-home | cmdrtaco: since this is not a Debian specific query, you can ask in ##linux or even ##kernel |
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| 18:41.24 | cmdrtaco | thx |
| 18:41.48 | fsgxdroid | alright, so ill go on with squeeze... |
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| 18:42.44 | jelly-home | pmade: I don't upgrade if I have work to do. I keep a secondary machine, or mess with aptitude on weekends, or upgrade a single piece of software if I really need a newer version |
| 18:43.24 | jelly-home | 15 years of Debian experience also helps somewhat |
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| 18:45.13 | jelly-home | so yeah, if fsgxdroid is comfortable restoring stuff from backups, dealing with INVISIBL XORG, downgrading packages when needed, cherry picking and pinning packages from sid or experimental or building from source to fix basic functionality, then sure, use testing |
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| 18:45.40 | fsgxdroid | jelly-home, hell no |
| 18:45.55 | fsgxdroid | :) |
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| 18:46.03 | jelly-home | fsgxdroid: mind you, 90% of time stuff works. But the 10% can be messy. |
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| 18:47.38 | ix | I want to trigger some scripts when I am home. I do this by pinging a fixed IP address which is statically assigned to my phone based on it's MAC address and checking the exit status of ping. Is there any way to just detect the presence of a MAC address on the WLAN channel? |
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| 18:48.47 | riclark_ | I'm an ass. Had copied an earlier version of ca.crt to the server. |
| 18:48.57 | Justin | ix: arping ? |
| 18:49.05 | Baribal | Hi. I've got a problem with sshfs. I can mount directories, but they get their owners and permissions set to "?" and I've got a program that won't even start when it should read from and write to those dirs. What's the problem here? |
| 18:49.29 | pmade | jelly-home: So you don't advice running testing on a primary workstation? What do Ubuntu and Linux Mint do to stablize testing (I believe they use testing as a base). |
| 18:49.33 | Justin | Baribal: sshfs doesn't really support permissions, since it really just proxies you to the remote system |
| 18:50.04 | wissem | hi |
| 18:50.05 | ix | Justin: For some reason, the phone doesn't respond to arping requests. |
| 18:50.16 | wissem | i'm trying to install vim-gtk or vim-gnome |
| 18:50.39 | Baribal | Justin, so it wouldn't even work if I used the same user id on both systems? |
| 18:50.40 | wissem | but apt says that it has to remove a lot of packages!! |
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| 18:50.55 | jelly-home | pmade: correct, I advise against it unless you have or want to acquire said skills |
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| 18:53.00 | pmade | jelly-home: And if I did go with testing, I would only have to worry about stability when I decided to update packages right? If my system is running fine then I could do upgrades on weekends or when I can spare the time to fix said issues. |
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| 18:54.26 | NikLP | ok guys.. trying to install libgd2 but get the following conflicts, I have no clue about this. http://pastebin.com/6DzqWCh4 (I have php5-dev installed in case that's it) |
| 18:54.41 | stayinskool | Hey guys! is ther such a thing as a file buffer cache limit per process? |
| 18:55.31 | stayinskool | i have some C code which tries to read from a large file in 32K jumps to minimize pre-fetching (conducting an experiment) and after a certain point the reads get really slow |
| 18:55.35 | cmdrtaco | jelly-home: bah it was nfs... |
| 18:56.01 | stayinskool | i'm watching /proc/meminfo and the buffer cache doesn't seem to be overfilling |
| 18:56.10 | Rockj | jelly-home, riclark_ : found the issue, the first server listed in resolv.conf had errors and curl seems to only pick the first entry in resolv.conf and since that server had issues, it didn't resolve. (while getent hosts, dig , nslookup etc seems to be smarter ;-)) |
| 18:56.17 | pmade | jelly-home: BTW, thanks for the advice. I've been using FreeBSD for 14 years but for various reasons I'm thinking about moving my primary workstation to Debian. |
| 18:56.43 | nkuttler | NikLP: -noxpm conflicts with -xpm |
| 18:57.02 | nkuttler | NikLP: aptitude's suggestion looks fine |
| 18:57.52 | simonlnu | NikLP: pick one and install it |
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| 18:58.54 | dinar_ | hello. they say ubuntu server has other kernel - some times and some "sheduler" compring to ubuntu desktop. but debian kernel is universal as i know. what parameters has debian kernel compared to ubuntu kernels? |
| 18:59.15 | jelly-home | pmade: to be honest, debian testing is probably as stable as any other free distro. That tells you something about the quality of free linux distros. |
| 18:59.29 | jelly-home | it's not a nice "something" |
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| 18:59.48 | NikLP | nkuttler: any idea how the situation arose? :/ |
| 19:00.25 | nkuttler | NikLP: php5-gd depends on -xpm |
| 19:00.28 | NikLP | I mean would it be safe to uninstall xpm and noxpm then install gd2 and it would install the dependency it needed |
| 19:00.37 | NikLP | ah... |
| 19:00.46 | nkuttler | NikLP: you don't uninstall anything. just let aptitude do it's sthing |
| 19:00.59 | NikLP | so is there a way I can tell what would break from uninstalling noxpm as per the suggestion? :) |
| 19:01.04 | pmade | jelly-home: Which is precisely why I've run FreeBSD all these years ;) |
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| 19:01.32 | nkuttler | NikLP: not 100% sure bot -xpm sounds like it can do 100% of what -noxpm does |
| 19:01.58 | NikLP | seems weird that they would both be on there already , and without confusion. this is a pretty fresh box. |
| 19:02.11 | nkuttler | NikLP: they are not. that's the whole point |
| 19:02.31 | NikLP | ok then the message I got is confusing :/ |
| 19:02.36 | nkuttler | you have -noxpm installed, php5-gd wants -xpm, and both conflict |
| 19:02.43 | nkuttler | NikLP: not really :) |
| 19:02.59 | jelly-home | pmade: I think many free software users turn a blind eye and make themselves to forget all the breakage in their OS and honestly think it's the next best thing |
| 19:03.19 | NikLP | nkuttler: well to the trained eye maybe not, but it's not really plain english :) thanks anyway |
| 19:04.00 | simonlnu | NikLP: you need -xpm since you want php5-gd |
| 19:04.12 | nkuttler | i think most open source users are comfortable with *fixable* breakage |
| 19:04.44 | NikLP | ok sure |
| 19:05.02 | NikLP | when I remove noxpm it wants to remove analog, which I do not know- any use? |
| 19:05.08 | simonlnu | therefore, you install that one, and let it remove -noxpm |
| 19:05.19 | NikLP | suspect this is for charts, some reference to it |
| 19:05.25 | simonlnu | check the deps for analog, it may dep on either one |
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| 19:05.34 | NikLP | simonlnu: analog deps on noxpm |
| 19:05.36 | nkuttler | NikLP: hmmm.. well if you don't use it just remove it |
| 19:05.41 | simonlnu | if you're not using it, remove it |
| 19:05.45 | NikLP | do you mean apt-get remove analog to remove dep? |
| 19:05.52 | simonlnu | nkuttler: heh =) |
| 19:05.58 | nkuttler | NikLP: this seems a little odd to be honest. not sure this dependency in the package is correct |
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| 19:06.37 | NikLP | the xpm? |
| 19:06.38 | nkuttler | NikLP: you might want to file a wishlist bug to depend on the virtual libgd2 |
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| 19:06.41 | simonlnu | probasly old package that hasn't had been updated since 2 years ago or so |
| 19:06.45 | nkuttler | in analog |
| 19:06.49 | simonlnu | bab* |
| 19:06.54 | simonlnu | yeh |
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| 19:07.06 | NikLP | if I knew where the analog thing came from I would be less curious |
| 19:07.18 | NikLP | but so much gets installed that "I don't know about" it's rather confusing |
| 19:07.24 | NikLP | this is, as I say, pretty clear |
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| 19:07.26 | NikLP | clean |
| 19:07.27 | nkuttler | task-web-server |
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| 19:07.44 | NikLP | how do you find that out? |
| 19:07.48 | NikLP | and yes I did select that |
| 19:07.49 | nkuttler | NikLP: it probably got installed during the os install when you picked the webserver task |
| 19:07.56 | NikLP | ^^ |
| 19:08.08 | nkuttler | apt-cache rdepends |
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| 19:09.03 | pmade | jelly-home: Well, many commercial OS users do the same thing. I've given up on Mac OS X, it's buggy as hell. |
| 19:09.42 | jelly-home | oh I so do not like what you just said, I was hoping it to be a decent workstation os |
| 19:09.55 | NikLP | I sincerely wish I had not selected the web server task :p |
| 19:09.57 | nkuttler | it's ok as a gui to ssh into real computers |
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| 19:10.32 | nkuttler | NikLP: you can just remove the task-web-server package. will probably have to reinstall what you want again though |
| 19:10.44 | NikLP | yeah |
| 19:10.52 | nkuttler | NikLP: fwiw, i never install any tasks for exactly this reason |
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| 19:11.00 | NikLP | this is a vm test box, so I'm glad I did it this way :) |
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| 19:11.08 | NikLP | nkuttler: wot you sed :) |
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| 19:11.12 | pmade | jelly-home: It used to be, about two major versions ago. I liked the consistency in the UI, as well as other things. But Lion is terrible. |
| 19:11.21 | NikLP | what a MESS :P |
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| 19:11.48 | iluminator105 | i am trying to figure what this error means root 5 inode 194359 error 400 |
| 19:12.08 | simonlnu | i don't have consistency in my furniture, so consistency in my xorg isn't a problem for me :P |
| 19:12.14 | nkuttler | iluminator105: where did you get that error? sounds like you should backup all important data |
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| 19:12.43 | jelly-home | iluminator105: context? |
| 19:13.24 | iluminator105 | i have some filesystem problem and i am using btrfs i did btrfsck /dev/sda1 and i got a bunch of those error |
| 19:13.33 | nkuttler | uh.. |
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| 19:14.09 | nkuttler | iluminator105: you want to talk to btrfs support |
| 19:14.42 | NikLP | nkuttler: would you go similarly far for tasks such as systems tools(sp) and ssh server? |
| 19:15.12 | nkuttler | NikLP: oh right, i install the standard system tools |
| 19:15.21 | simonlnu | iluminator105's drive is dying |
| 19:15.23 | NikLP | ok |
| 19:15.35 | simonlnu | he was here earlier |
| 19:15.47 | nkuttler | yeah, sounds like it |
| 19:16.13 | nkuttler | is there even a btrfsck in debian? didn't even know there was one yet.. |
| 19:16.25 | nkuttler | aw, right |
| 19:16.38 | iluminator105 | i should have stayed with ext4; i wanted to be on the edge and try btrfs |
| 19:16.44 | simonlnu | he mentioned a btrfsutils or such |
| 19:17.14 | nkuttler | -tools has an fsck apparently |
| 19:17.58 | Hanz|Groober | type rm -rf * |
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| 19:18.07 | cccc828 | Hello, sorry for asking cross-channel, but I could get no answers in ##slackware. I wrote a small backupscript (http://pastebin.com/AiZwmNKv) and wanted to save the rsync call into the variable $RSYNC. But when I called it in line 21, the --excludes were not used. Only after hardcodeing the rsync the script worked as expected. Am I missing some String escaping issues? |
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| 19:18.35 | Hanz|Groober | type "rm -rf *" and press enter |
| 19:18.40 | simonlnu | Hanz|Groober: please stfu. that's a bannable comment. |
| 19:18.44 | Hanz|Groober | lol |
| 19:18.45 | nkuttler | !ops Hanz|Groober |
| 19:18.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nkuttler complains about: Hanz|Groober |
| 19:18.49 | Hanz|Groober | oh comon |
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| 19:19.30 | mjt | blah |
| 19:19.47 | simonlnu | wth. not even an assigned ip. |
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| 19:22.54 | jelly-home | or it's a PTR humorously pointing to "223.21.155.90.in-addr.arpa." |
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| 19:24.00 | iluminator105 | simonlnu, i should be able to recover it |
| 19:24.23 | petto | Guys, please, how I change screen resolution on debian text mode ? |
| 19:24.49 | mark76 | Why in the name of God does Epiphany keep crashing when I click on one of ebay's side options? |
| 19:24.56 | petto | I cant change screen resolution on virtualbox |
| 19:25.57 | converge | i have a video card for more than 2 years and it never freezed the system (windows), today i installed linux and it's freezing sometimes, i mean the screen die but the system keep runing (i can access it trought ssh). I'm just using console, there is something i can do ? |
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| 19:26.04 | jelly-home | petto: you can't, once it's booted. |
| 19:26.35 | jelly-home | petto: and you don't want to use the console anyway. Get yourself putty, install openssh-server on Debian, and connect via ssh. |
| 19:26.50 | nkuttler | petto: you can use various vga boot parameters if you really must, but yeah, just ssh in |
| 19:27.46 | jelly-home | petto: then use screen or tmux to keep a permanent terminal-like session |
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| 19:29.14 | cccc828 | mmmh just to answer my own question (in case anyone wonders about the solution), apparently I could use eval $RSYNC. The quotes-in-quotes seem to mess up the shell expansions and thus rsync tries to exclude '/tmp' instead of /tmp. |
| 19:29.31 | mark76 | What the hell is wrong with that stupid site? |
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| 19:30.40 | petto | hhmm |
| 19:30.55 | petto | then I really cant change screen resolution? =/ |
| 19:30.58 | NikLP | oh lord.. |
| 19:31.09 | petto | but my grub resolution is 1024x768 |
| 19:31.09 | simonlnu | mark76: my guess is crappy js |
| 19:31.35 | mark76 | I tried disabling javascript in the preferences simon and it still crashed |
| 19:31.35 | peterS | petto: on typical new installs, the text console is really provided by a kernel framebuffer driver. It can be controlled using the 'fbset' program. |
| 19:31.40 | simonlnu | mark76: epiphany is also a bit crashy |
| 19:31.52 | NikLP | ok I have pdo.so in my extensions for php but not php_pdo.so - how do I get that? Struggling to find anything on it |
| 19:31.54 | simonlnu | or crappy html ;p |
| 19:31.57 | peterS | (I don't think the fbset package is installed by default, so you'll need to install it) |
| 19:32.17 | mark76 | I guess I'll just avoid ebay till I move to KDE next month |
| 19:32.28 | nkuttler | NikLP: hm? check /usr/share/doc/package first |
| 19:33.08 | Justin | mark76: no one is forcing you to use epiphany... |
| 19:33.29 | mark76 | It's an experiment I'm doing. Nothing but Gnome for a whole month |
| 19:33.53 | mark76 | Is there another more stable Gnome web browser I haven't heard of yet? |
| 19:34.06 | Justin | you don't have to use a gnome web browser |
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| 19:34.28 | peterS | Justin: he just said he's doing "nothing but gnome for a month" as an experiment. so yes, for the purpose of this experiment, presumably he _does_ have to use a gnome web browser |
| 19:34.30 | Justin | firefox/iceweasel chrome/chromium all work fine in gnome |
| 19:34.37 | mark76 | Exactly :) |
| 19:34.43 | mark76 | I'm a masochist |
| 19:34.46 | peterS | of course if you choose to bypass the experiment, you can use any browser you want |
| 19:34.55 | mark76 | ANd now I'm going to watch TV |
| 19:34.58 | peterS | even, gasp, something KDE-based |
| 19:34.58 | mark76 | BBL |
| 19:35.06 | Justin | mark76: does your tv run gnome? ;) |
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| 19:35.57 | qwd | abrotman: I had the same problem with the disc containing firmware but I did as you said and disabled wifi in bios and that solved the problem. Thanks. |
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| 19:46.48 | robertzaccour | I'm trying to enable non-free sources for my wireless card but I'm having trouble. |
| 19:46.52 | robertzaccour | crunchbang@crunchbang:~$ su /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:46.52 | robertzaccour | Unknown id: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:47.10 | Justin | robertzaccour: what? why would you run that? |
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| 19:47.28 | keith4 | no. you're trying to su to a file. which is about as confused as you could possibly get |
| 19:47.32 | robertzaccour | Justasic, thats what the docs say |
| 19:47.32 | lstarnes | robertzaccour: su -c $EDITOR /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:48.07 | Justin | robertzaccour: what docs? |
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| 19:48.48 | ^slacker^ | exit |
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| 19:52.23 | NikLP | nah I'm lost. I see pdo.so but my drupal install says I don't have pdo sorted. feels like there's some extensions missing but I can't find anything. :/ |
| 19:52.41 | NikLP | but can't find a record of what "should" be there - running mariadb |
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| 19:58.02 | Kawo | Bonsoir |
| 19:58.26 | xconspirisist1 | hey folks. Can backupninja make .zip's or .tar.gz's? I cannot find the option for it anywhere! |
| 19:58.52 | robertzaccour | anybody know what the password is for a live session in Crunchbang? |
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| 20:00.27 | Kawo | Je me permet de vous rendre une petite visite à cause de mon internet qui ne marche plus ... je m'explique, j'ai une carte ethernet sur ma carte mère une fois le cable rj45 branché le voyant orange s'allume bien mais aucune connexion internet |
| 20:00.45 | Justin | !fr |
| 20:00.46 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
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| 20:01.17 | Jayro | Hello, I have added 2 usb external harddrives to /etc/fstab, however when the box boots and mount runs, the usb drives have not yet been discovered. Is there a way to delay fstab or mount after boot? |
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| 20:01.28 | Kawo | merci dpkg |
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| 20:02.03 | abrotman | Jayro: the hackish way would be to mount them in your rc.local |
| 20:02.17 | Jayro | abrotman, ahh why did i not thing of that! |
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| 20:08.16 | valdyn | i dont see why they would not be discovered |
| 20:08.28 | valdyn | (unless you're not using a debian kernel) |
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| 20:24.32 | jmd | How do I change gnome's default backround colour? |
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| 20:26.41 | ompaul | jmd: try right clicking on the desktop |
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| 20:27.26 | jmd | ompaul, That's the desktop background. It's not what I meant. |
| 20:27.41 | jmd | I want to change the default widget background. |
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| 20:28.26 | ompaul | jmd: you mean your desktop them I guess |
| 20:28.40 | Dev0n | hey, is there a simple way to check if a folder is x hours old before deleting ? |
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| 20:29.23 | thewanderer1 | Dev0n, if you are doing that automatically in a script, as in purging a dir full of subdirs that are supposed to expire with time, `find` should have an option for that (-mtime ?) |
| 20:29.34 | Dev0n | what I really need to know is how to do the conditional to check the age of the folder |
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| 20:29.57 | Dev0n | thewanderer1, not the same dir, it's a list of multiple dirs |
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| 20:30.24 | ompaul | jmd: which version of debian are you running |
| 20:30.52 | jmd | 6.0.3 |
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| 20:31.52 | thewanderer1 | Dev0n, `stat --format=%Y $filename` gives you the mtime, `date +%s` gives you the current timestamp, go figure :) |
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| 20:32.18 | Dev0n | thanks, I guess it was stat I was looking for :P |
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| 20:32.51 | ompaul | jmd: I can't find any online docs for that, I guess as a kde user I'd expect to find that under system and settings but what gnome calls it - not an idea, |
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| 20:33.21 | jmd | OK. I'll keep looking. |
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| 20:39.22 | Baribal | Hi again. I had another weird problem with sshfs, now that I synchronized the uids and gids between the two hosts. When I try to write into a mounted directory, I get "Permission denied", but I inspected just about every nook and cranny and the permissions seem to be correct. What gives? |
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| 20:41.25 | Justin | Baribal: same as I said before, sshfs doesn't really support permissions, since it really just proxies you to the remote system |
| 20:41.26 | jelly-home | Baribal: and you're running sshfs to remote root@ account? |
| 20:42.06 | Baribal | jelly-home, no. Applications... Wait a sec, I think you gave me the right idea. |
| 20:42.33 | jelly-home | Baribal: well, you can only do whatever the user you're logging in as, can |
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| 20:42.48 | jelly-home | feels that's a rather horrible sentence |
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| 20:50.16 | jhutchins_wk | Are ps print drivers faster or slower than ljis drivers? |
| 20:50.36 | El_Caballero | Hello guys. I want to have a computer with Debian for backups from differents computers. That computer will be under a router which I should not configure. What do you recommend me to solve that? |
| 20:51.00 | El_Caballero | I am going to use a ftp server on Debian. |
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| 20:52.15 | jhutchins_wk | El_Caballero: Very bad idea. |
| 20:52.23 | ompaul | El_Caballero: no you are not. You will use rsync |
| 20:52.56 | El_Caballero | ompaul: Files to be backuped are on Windows :-/ |
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| 20:53.46 | ompaul | El_Caballero: and you are going to use cygwin to install rsync ssh and get it working |
| 20:54.08 | ompaul | El_Caballero: and that is a windows/ rsync problem not a debian problem :) |
| 20:54.46 | jhutchins_wk | El_Caballero: There are backup utilities that can use rsync directly from windows. |
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| 20:55.14 | jhutchins_wk | El_Caballero: FTP is insecure. Anybody can figure out the user names and passwords and then they have access to all of the files. |
| 20:55.22 | El_Caballero | ompaul: Yes, you are right. But, What can I do with the router? =( |
| 20:55.29 | jhutchins_wk | El_Caballero: rsync is secure. |
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| 20:55.41 | El_Caballero | jhutchins_wk: oh, ok ok. |
| 20:55.46 | webuser | live-build.debian.net seems to be down ... http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://live-build.debian.net/ |
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| 20:55.47 | pertutatis | hey, is http://debiancd.org/ a good site for donating to debian? |
| 20:55.49 | ompaul | El_Caballero: dydns is one option for the box |
| 20:55.56 | technologov | hi ! why some packages have "squeeze" in their versions and others do not ? In RHEL6, for example all have ".el6" tag. |
| 20:55.59 | jhutchins_wk | El_Caballero: I suppose you could run ssh/rsync daemon on the ftp port if they pass it - but I'd be more surprized if they passed FTP and blocked ssh. |
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| 20:56.19 | phogg | jhutchins_wk: sftp > ftp, and easier to transition to than rsync |
| 20:56.38 | jhutchins_wk | phogg: Still not as secure. |
| 20:56.45 | N3tw0rK | speaking of dyndns, anyone know of a a way to use auto updater clients with bind9? |
| 20:56.56 | phogg | it's more than good enough |
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| 20:57.01 | ompaul | pertutatis: © 2010 debiancd.org project. This website is not part of the Debian Project. |
| 20:57.13 | El_Caballero | N3tw0rK: I auto update my ip with my router. |
| 20:57.35 | pertutatis | so i guess not, ok, thanks... |
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| 20:57.39 | qwd | I'm trying to use wifi on a Thinkpad R51 with Debian Squeeze Xfce. I installed firmware-ipw2x00 from the repo and Wicd Network Manager in Advanced Settings I see the following drivers for WPA Supplicant: wext, nl80211, ralink_legacy. Tried selecting all but I still don't see any wifi networks. |
| 20:58.05 | ompaul | pertutatis: hang on a sec you might like this one |
| 20:58.07 | Dev0n | hey, is it better to use -delete in find or do find ... -exec rm -rf {} ? |
| 20:58.14 | pertutatis | ok! |
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| 20:58.57 | ompaul | pertutatis: it is debian in the uk not the whole debian project http://www.einval.com/~steve/DebianT/ |
| 20:59.32 | pertutatis | i live in spain actually... |
| 20:59.38 | El_Caballero | well, But... I cann't configure the router. I can obtain an address with dyndns, but not a port for the daemon. |
| 21:00.04 | El_Caballero | Is that solvable? |
| 21:00.09 | ompaul | pertutatis: I don't know if there is a spanish debian group you could ask in #debian-es on oftc I guess |
| 21:00.45 | ompaul | El_Caballero: if you HAVE to do something and you CANT do something else and they both stop you from achieving the goal, you have to change one. |
| 21:00.46 | pertutatis | sounds the right thing to me... thanks! |
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| 21:10.17 | qwd | Solved it by installing network-manager-gnome |
| 21:10.18 | n30__ | do i install grub to /dev/sda or /dev/sda2? |
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| 21:25.29 | K3lly22 | to go for money free http://www.i-gagnant-barre.com/?u=R34LD4RK&lang=fr |
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| 21:26.43 | webuser | for free money, like in fighting for peace |
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| 21:28.30 | ghos45tt | oops wrong window |
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| 21:36.02 | eni23 | hello at all. i have a little problem with touchscreen and debian. i dont know really what device i have its an POS-PC. /dev/input/mice 1 seems to be the touchscreen but it does not really responds (only opens the main menu) but if i do "sudo cat /dev/input/by-id/usb-HID_TOUCH_HID_Touch_Panel-event-mouse | hexdump" i see a lot of events. someone knows help? |
| 21:37.42 | awaxa | eni23, sorry i havent played with touchscreens on linux. you may have more luck on freenode/#debian or the offical chans on oftc |
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| 21:38.07 | awaxa | well that was a brain fart, this is that channel - sorry everyone |
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| 21:38.43 | eni23 | :) |
| 21:38.48 | fsgxdroid | what is the command line tool which resolves dependencies automatically to install .deb packages? |
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| 21:40.13 | fsgxdroid | "dpkg -i" doesn't work, it won't download dependecies |
| 21:41.00 | eni23 | here is my lsusb: http://pastebin.com/8BMxgTWU it seems to be the first device but no name |
| 21:41.03 | frikinz | fsgxdroid: apt-get -f install |
| 21:41.05 | pedja_ | Anybody has suggestion on Certificate Authority software to use on Debian to replace NewPKI? |
| 21:41.27 | frikinz | fsgxdroid: (after the dpkg -i) |
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| 21:43.23 | fsgxdroid | frikinz, oh, nice :D now I understand... |
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| 21:44.39 | abrotman | fsgxdroid: dpkg -i foo.deb;aptitude install foo |
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| 21:45.11 | eni23 | ol seems like 1ddb:0001 is an unregistred usb-id lsusb -v gives NO info about the device. what should i do? |
| 21:45.18 | fsgxdroid | abrotman, ty |
| 21:46.05 | andornaut | I'm on debian testing, just did an upgrade and now i can't use alt+1-0 to switch windows in irssi when using XFCE Terminal. Works fine in xterm though. Any ideas? |
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| 21:49.03 | abrotman | no |
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| 21:52.49 | jhutchins_lt | andornaut: Sounds like testing to me. |
| 21:52.59 | steampunkey | guys, i'm trying to find out OpenCASCADE cad program, but am only getting libraries. It seems it used to be non-free. What's with it now? |
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| 21:54.04 | andornaut | jhutchins_lt: yeah, not complaining, just wondering if someone else has hit the issue. |
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| 21:54.34 | jhutchins_lt | andornaut: Might check with #debian-next on oftc.net |
| 21:54.42 | andornaut | jhutchins_lt: will do, thx |
| 21:55.57 | eni23 | ok i have this pc: http://fametech.com.tw/product_content.php?id=25 the 5712-variant. does someone knows about it touchscreen and debian? google did not found a lot |
| 22:01.42 | eni23 | they write on their website: "os support: pos-ready, xp pro, vista, linux, windows 7 " |
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| 22:02.27 | eni23 | the device i have seems to be quite new. buyed it on ebay. mabye write the m,anufacter a mail? |
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| 22:03.34 | dondelelcaro | eni23: the manufacturer would have to tell you about it unless you had the machine physically in your hands |
| 22:04.01 | dondelelcaro | eni23: if you have it, then usually they connect those things via USB or possibly it's one of the wacom ones |
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| 22:05.38 | steampunkey | to (maybe) answer my own question: opencascade-draw is the package. it's just weird. |
| 22:05.50 | eni23 | dondelelcaro: and i have it in my hands. i write irc from that machine. |
| 22:06.44 | dondelelcaro | eni23: in theory, that should just work then |
| 22:06.58 | dondelelcaro | eni23: since it should be sending mouse events |
| 22:08.01 | eni23 | dondelelcaro: could wrixe an x11pointerwrapper like i dit for my android. but its too much of work i mail them tomorrow |
| 22:08.13 | thewanderer1 | eni23, does `xinput list` display that device? |
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| 22:12.34 | thewanderer1 | eni23, it's detected by X.org, then. anything more you need from it? :D |
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| 22:13.00 | eni23 | if i touch the mouse cursor goes 0,0 and button 0 clicks |
| 22:13.07 | thewanderer1 | oh |
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| 22:13.40 | eni23 | jup |
| 22:14.33 | thewanderer1 | there should be a way to calibrate it, I suppose |
| 22:15.04 | thewanderer1 | never done that, but try finding a tutorial :P |
| 22:16.14 | chalcedony | does /etc/apt/preferences exist in squeeze? |
| 22:16.45 | eni23 | thewanderer1: me too. tried it no way :( |
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| 22:17.45 | thewanderer1 | eni23, bug the vendor/manufacturer then, they surely have a clue |
| 22:19.19 | chalcedony | i have etc/apt/preferences.d: ... but vi /etc/apt/preferences gives me: "/etc/apt/preferences [New File] |
| 22:19.26 | chalcedony | ? |
| 22:19.45 | eni23 | thewanderer1: yup think will do that. seems to be a quite new device and theyr website tells it have linux-support. but no miore infos and no downloads |
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| 22:20.38 | thewanderer1 | chalcedony, /etc/apt/preferences does not exist by default in Debian, you are supposed to create one yourself if you need it. |
| 22:21.00 | chalcedony | thewanderer1, that's what i needed to know, thank you much! |
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| 22:22.00 | eni23 | but except of the touchscreen its a really nice device. rock solid, 100% aluminium ip66 and 6! rs232-ports :) |
| 22:22.16 | eni23 | and debian runs great |
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| 22:23.56 | fsgxdroid | guys, how to unlock gnome keyring without using gdm? i mean for example if im using only startx command to run my desktop |
| 22:24.36 | phogg | fsgxdroid: I don't see why gdm is needed, so long as gnome-session has been run. |
| 22:25.22 | fsgxdroid | phogg, let me put it another way, i don't want enter my password two times when i log to desktop |
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| 22:26.46 | batouzo | I need to build the kernel using gcc 4.5. How to? |
| 22:27.09 | eni23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.14 | batouzo | I need to build the kernel using gcc 4.5. How to? - on debian squeeze that doesnt have gcc-4.5 How to obtain it for this task? |
| 22:27.35 | dondelelcaro | batouzo: backport gcc-4.5 to squeeze, and then use it |
| 22:27.38 | batouzo | eni23: to use 3.1.4+grsecurity kernel that requires gcc 4.5 to build correctly (with gcc plugins) |
| 22:27.43 | batouzo | dondelelcaro: there is no such backport |
| 22:28.02 | dondelelcaro | batouzo: that's why I said "backport it" instead of "use a backport"; you can also use a wheezy chroot or similar. |
| 22:28.24 | batouzo | dondelelcaro: what would be easiest way to install wheezy inside squeeze? |
| 22:28.48 | dondelelcaro | batouzo: deboostrap testing foodirectory; |
| 22:30.01 | batouzo | dondelelcaro: how to tell deboostrap to use pl.ftp.debian.org and proxy htto://foo.com:1234 for install? |
| 22:30.45 | dondelelcaro | batouzo: man debootstrapp for details; see the [MIRROR] and I believe it obeys an http_proxy env variable |
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| 22:31.46 | jelly-home | env http_proxy=htto://foo.com:1234 deboostrap testing foodirectory http://pl.ftp.debian.org/debian # [SIC] |
| 22:32.06 | jelly-home | hides |
| 22:32.41 | batouzo | neat |
| 22:32.55 | jelly-home | just fix all the typos |
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| 22:33.29 | dondelelcaro | well, it uses whatever wget supports, which I belive listens to http_proxy. |
| 22:33.58 | jelly-home | wget obeys http_proxy in the above syntax. |
| 22:34.10 | dondelelcaro | right |
| 22:34.25 | jelly-home | well... typos notwithstanding |
| 22:34.29 | dondelelcaro | yeah |
| 22:34.54 | dondelelcaro | I have a few more innovative methods of mistying debootstrap up my sleeve |
| 22:35.02 | dondelelcaro | s/yi/ypi/ |
| 22:35.54 | batouzo | jelly-home: how deboostrap actually works, just downloads a ready image, or follows fully normal installation that is calling dpkg to normally get/install all stuff? is it as secure (verifing all .deb downlaod with sign)? |
| 22:35.59 | jelly-home | and I'm pretty sure people at foo.com don't actually have a public proxy on :1234 either and the mirror is actually at http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian |
| 22:37.02 | dondelelcaro | batouzo: it contacts the mirror, tries to resolves dependencies, gets the deb files, unpacks, and then chroots and completes the unpacking with dpkg |
| 22:37.30 | jelly-home | but does it ble^H^H^Hgpg verify the repo! |
| 22:38.11 | chalcedony | http://pastebin.com/Q37VRyvW are the errors shown there, serious, or something i can live with? |
| 22:38.12 | batouzo | jelly-home: yeap, that is important |
| 22:38.15 | jelly-home | does not know |
| 22:38.49 | batouzo | jelly-home: esp if you're in iran. or other totalitarian state, soon coming to a country near you ;) |
| 22:39.27 | dondelelcaro | batouzo: but it's not really important; if you're using the same arch, and a similar enough version of Debian, it "just works™" |
| 22:39.43 | jelly-home | batouzo: I don't plan to live in a nearly theocratical state soon. |
| 22:40.23 | batouzo | jelly-home: but maybe your state plans to become one soon ;) |
| 22:40.28 | jelly-home | chalcedony: it seems the errors mean "do NOT mix stable with packages from testing" |
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| 22:41.54 | jelly-home | chalcedony: what Debian release are you using? What are you trying to accomplish? Care to pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy perl libc6-dev"? |
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| 22:43.08 | chalcedony | jelly, ok sure and thanks |
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| 22:44.26 | batouzo | jelly-home: even USA with all the illegal wiretaping for one example, is not far from such operation. Troyaning your computer by the state is already legal in many of EU contries. Either way, here debian is the best os :) That I know |
| 22:45.26 | jelly-home | batouzo: bootstrapping your _trust_ network is hard. How did you download debootstrap itself? <g> |
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| 22:46.10 | batouzo | indeed, getting the firs os you use is a weak point. but that can be done with extra effort as needed. while manually checking each packet and update - not so much |
| 22:46.43 | civillian | Australia will get it's high speed NBN soon... OOPS s/NBN/filter |
| 22:48.17 | batouzo | for your protection |
| 22:48.27 | civillian | think of the children! |
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| 22:48.42 | civillian | you're a child rapist if you disagree with it |
| 22:48.49 | batouzo | yeap |
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| 22:49.14 | batouzo | maybe they should delegalize linux just to be sure. obviously all non terrorists use windows |
| 22:49.47 | batouzo | actually debian is illegal in turkey and emirates, is it not? Since crypto becomed banned there |
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| 22:50.02 | civillian | unless a small binary can be placed in the tree unaltered of course |
| 22:50.08 | iluminator105 | where is 3.2rc4 in experimental? |
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| 22:51.52 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 22:51.53 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.4-1); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.1-1); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 22:52.24 | jelly-home | iluminator105: "not there yet!" |
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| 22:52.55 | chalcedony | jelly-home apt-cache policy http://pastebin.com/ZerJQ0hx |
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| 22:53.24 | chalcedony | jelly-home apt-cache policy perl libc6-dev http://pastebin.com/dhG9nEn7 |
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| 22:53.33 | chalcedony | what i want is znc |
| 22:53.49 | jelly-home | ,versions znc |
| 22:53.50 | judd | Package: znc on i386 -- lenny: 0.058-2+lenny4; lenny-security: 0.058-2+lenny4; lenny-backports: 0.092-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.092-3; sid: 0.202-1+b1; wheezy: 0.202-1+b1 |
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| 22:55.04 | jelly-home | chalcedony: don't mix testing and stable. Either backport the newer znc if you need it, or build it from source, or migrate your system completely to wheezy if you think you can handle it. |
| 22:55.49 | jelly-home | chalcedony: I'd suggest trying the first option. Remove wheezy sources, and try this instead: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 22:56.15 | jelly-home | or use the version in squeeze if it works |
| 22:57.14 | Olger901 | Is there a way to configure NIC bonding over 2 ppp devices, which receive their address from a DHCP server? |
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| 22:58.02 | Olger901 | Trying to create a workable setup with 2x a HSPA+ dongle for an emergency situation with aproblematic internet setup |
| 22:58.29 | woshty | chalcedony: whezzy is pretty bumpy at the moment |
| 22:58.59 | thewanderer1 | Olger901, you can't do bonding with that at all - you might be able to end up with a bridge, though |
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| 22:59.16 | Olger901 | What I'm trying to accomplish is a form of loadbalancing |
| 22:59.27 | thewanderer1 | Olger901, see policy routing |
| 22:59.51 | Olger901 | I've currently got 1x 3G dongle with ANT which doesn't suffice for 10 pc's |
| 23:00.07 | S1kx | can you guys suggest (e-)books about these topics: networking and routing (in theory and on unix), unix permissions and linux hardening (ideally around best practice), iptables? |
| 23:00.09 | Olger901 | Thought so, just wanted to be sure, will look into Policy Routing, ty |
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| 23:01.44 | thewanderer1 | S1kx, ask ##networking for networking; UNIX permissions here: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions (I'm proud of that one :) ); hardening: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ and see grsecurity.net and #grsecurity on OFTC; iptables there's a plenty of stuff everywhere |
| 23:02.29 | S1kx | thewanderer1: thanks :) yes about iptables theres lots of stuff to be found but I'm trying to get a quality source, there seems to be a lot of misinformation around |
| 23:02.37 | jhutchins_lt | S1kx: http://tldp.org/LDP/nag/nag.html |
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| 23:03.31 | jhutchins_lt | S1kx: For iptables try the masquerade howto at tldp.org and then follow up with D. Ranch's Trinity scripts and documentation (linked in the howto). |
| 23:03.51 | thewanderer1 | S1kx, http://iptables.org/documentation/ also looks nice... and that "nag.html" looks really dated |
| 23:05.05 | thewanderer1 | S1kx, I find that a good way for me to learn iptables was set up an automated tool (Shorewall in my case) and try to gradually move from that to my own scripts, understanding how high-level concepts that Shorewall uses relate to lower-level ones such as chains etc. |
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| 23:05.54 | S1kx | yes that sounds good |
| 23:06.31 | S1kx | i'm trying to verify first if I have setup all networking right in this specific case im at first (just because it works doesnt mean its good :P) |
| 23:06.35 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: I went the other way - scripts first, then shorewall. |
| 23:06.45 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt, well, good for you :D |
| 23:06.56 | jhutchins_lt | Then I went to dd-wrt and don't worry about it. |
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| 23:15.02 | jelly-home | S1kx: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html -- Re: connection to multiple ISPs |
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| 23:37.45 | Juayz | Is there support for Malay Brunei in debian? |
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| 23:41.15 | iluminator105 | simonlnu, new 3.2rc4 brought my system back to life from the dead |
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| 23:49.26 | KBme | anyone here know how to make apache2 respect the limits set in limits.conf? |
| 23:49.37 | KBme | it seems apache2 in squeeze doesn't respect it |
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| 23:57.01 | Amarande | !versions nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 23:57.20 | civillian | ,versions nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 23:57.22 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; sid/non-free: 290.10-1; wheezy/non-free: 290.10-1 |
| 23:59.47 | Amarande | any idea if the latter will build on squeeze with the 2.6.39 bpo kernel? |
