| 00:00.02 | pandrew | any idea what could be causing this? : "export PS1="\W$ "; cd /proc" results in: "pocc$ " |
| 00:00.34 | pandrew | home results in hmee |
| 00:01.22 | chalcedony | pandrew, to do with your bash prompt? |
| 00:01.41 | pandrew | lib32 -> li332, boot -> bott, bin -> bin, etc -> etc, sbin -> sinn |
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| 00:01.45 | pandrew | chalcedony: yeah |
| 00:02.30 | chalcedony | pandrew, ask in #bash maybe too? |
| 00:02.37 | pandrew | okay |
| 00:03.48 | Morgawr | question: I'm currently following these steps http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html to recompile the debian kernel, however when I do "apt-get build-dep linux-2.6" the whole OS hangs with terminal saying: "Setting up texlive-latex-recommended (2009-11) ..." |
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| 00:04.04 | Morgawr | I've waited for over 15 minutes and nothing happened, the mouse is stuck, I can't do anything |
| 00:04.21 | Morgawr | this is not normal, is it? |
| 00:04.34 | upb | it isnt, i just did it a few hours ago ;) |
| 00:04.39 | Morgawr | :( |
| 00:05.12 | chalcedony | Morgawr, what else are you doing? can you use ctrl tab? |
| 00:05.19 | Morgawr | the OS is running in a virtual machine (Shouldn't be the problem, I'm running several OS in VM and never had such a problem), I have an i5-2500, 8GB ram (4GB in the VM) |
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| 00:05.32 | Morgawr | chalcedony: I wasn't doing anything else, just doing that |
| 00:05.36 | Morgawr | and no, I can't ctrl+tab |
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| 00:06.24 | chalcedony | sounds like it crashed (not an expert) |
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| 00:06.35 | chalcedony | can you ssh to it? |
| 00:06.48 | Morgawr | chalcedony: yeah, thought so too the first time, however I also rebooted and re-did it and now it crashed the same |
| 00:06.59 | Morgawr | I can't really ssh as I don't have an sshd open |
| 00:07.06 | Morgawr | I'll try rebooting |
| 00:07.09 | Morgawr | and setting up sshd |
| 00:07.13 | chalcedony | :) |
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| 00:07.23 | chalcedony | then top might give you hints |
| 00:07.28 | Morgawr | yeah |
| 00:07.31 | Morgawr | but it's weird honestly |
| 00:07.36 | chalcedony | it is |
| 00:07.42 | Morgawr | an i5-2500 shouldn't have that problem |
| 00:07.44 | chalcedony | i sometimes have had this myself |
| 00:07.56 | chalcedony | weird stuff happens |
| 00:08.36 | upb | did the vm hang or the host? might be a hardware problem like too high memory clock |
| 00:08.56 | Morgawr | upb: the OS running inside the VM |
| 00:08.59 | Morgawr | outside I acn do everything |
| 00:09.01 | upb | oh ok |
| 00:09.03 | abrotman | ^--^: what do you think a mv does ? |
| 00:09.06 | Morgawr | (I'm chatting now for example) |
| 00:09.28 | abrotman | chalcedony: uhm .. it doens't do that already? |
| 00:09.48 | chalcedony | abrotman, no |
| 00:09.56 | Morgawr | damn I can't set sshd cause I need to download it and I can't use apt-get cause it asks me to run dpkg --configure -a which basically restarts the process that hangs the VM |
| 00:10.14 | chalcedony | there doesn't seem to be anything to the left that minimize button |
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| 00:11.12 | abrotman | chalcedony: i don't have gnome2 anymore .. but ISTR there was an option if you right click and configure that applet |
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| 00:11.27 | Morgawr | ok, apparently it's that texlive-latex-recommended thing |
| 00:11.29 | Morgawr | it hangs everything |
| 00:11.37 | Morgawr | as soon as I do "sudo dpkg --configure -a" the whole system hangs |
| 00:11.40 | Morgawr | and I can't do anything |
| 00:11.51 | Morgawr | now I can't even use apt-get anymore because it asks me to run dpkg --configure -a |
| 00:11.54 | Morgawr | :( |
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| 00:12.40 | upb | well do a strace -f dpkg --configure -a, atleast you'll see what causes it |
| 00:12.41 | jhutchins_lt | Morgawr: Tell us a little more about this install. What release, what have you changed from the standard install, etc. |
| 00:12.48 | chalcedony | Morgawr, so sorry to hear.. and that's beyond me |
| 00:12.49 | physpeters | I'm running a VPS with 256mb of ram (I know, ridiculous — but it's the most we can afford with our project's budget). I would like to install some packages using apt-get, but this requires that some "ca-certificates" thing be run with java. Problem is, java can't start the VM because it runs out of memory. Any ideas how I could work around this? |
| 00:13.15 | Morgawr | jhutchins_lt: there's nothing really to say... it's debian stable, I installed the basic X server, Gnome 2, firefox.. what else... not much |
| 00:13.24 | Morgawr | I have setup conky and fish shell |
| 00:13.27 | Morgawr | could it be fish shell? |
| 00:13.48 | Morgawr | mmm... let's try with bash |
| 00:13.51 | abrotman | Morgawr: did you pastebin the whole thinhg yet? |
| 00:13.58 | Morgawr | abrotman: what thing? it just hangs |
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| 00:14.08 | abrotman | it can take awhile |
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| 00:14.18 | Morgawr | I waited for 15+ minutes |
| 00:14.22 | Morgawr | on an i5-2500... |
| 00:14.33 | Morgawr | and I can't even move the mouse cursor |
| 00:14.38 | Morgawr | screen doesn't refresh |
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| 00:14.58 | abrotman | infinite loop ? |
| 00:15.09 | Morgawr | an infinite loop does NOT hang the whole OS |
| 00:15.12 | Morgawr | unless it's in the kernel |
| 00:15.13 | abrotman | tried setting a set -x at the top fo the script to see where it gets stuck ? |
| 00:15.14 | Morgawr | which I doubt it |
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| 00:15.43 | abrotman | could write an infinite loop to hang a system |
| 00:15.56 | Morgawr | forkbomb doesn't count :) |
| 00:16.01 | abrotman | i didn't say that |
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| 00:16.08 | Morgawr | and hey.. apparently I fixed the problem... it was fish shell |
| 00:16.19 | Morgawr | apparently texlive-latex-recommended doesn't like fish as a shell |
| 00:16.22 | Morgawr | in bash it worked :) |
| 00:16.40 | abrotman | Morgawr: you should probably file a bug |
| 00:16.52 | Morgawr | abrotman: yeah, will do |
| 00:17.38 | ksx4system | where can I find directory with xcache admin for php5-xcache? |
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| 00:17.54 | sdalsadfhj | http://bit.ly/uPBolO |
| 00:18.10 | ksx4system | ^--- spam? |
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| 00:18.51 | abrotman | meant to just kick ... oh well |
| 00:18.59 | ksx4system | ;) |
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| 00:19.59 | zhanx | there a specific room for making .deb packages? |
| 00:20.06 | abrotman | !tell zhanx about mentors |
| 00:20.32 | zhanx | thanks |
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| 00:22.32 | zhanx | too bad mentors is invite only |
| 00:22.56 | nsadmin | probably in the room where your computer is |
| 00:23.38 | tensorpudding | there's #debian-mentors on OFTC |
| 00:23.45 | engla_ | so mr. castle owner has one room for breakfast, one for cognac and one for building .debs? |
| 00:24.02 | abrotman | zhanx: on OFTC |
| 00:24.42 | upb | is it a known problem that the vmxnet3 driver in 2.6.32-39 doesnt detect the card inside vmware server but only pcnet32 does ? and when the card is forced as vmxnet neither does |
| 00:24.44 | Morgawr | lol |
| 00:24.51 | zhanx | abrotman: got it thanks |
| 00:25.12 | kreign | hi folks, anyone here use a serial console (eg. to login over /dev/ttyS0)? |
| 00:25.56 | ^--^ | abrotman - again, the end is the same; but different methods can be more or less efficiant |
| 00:26.11 | abrotman | ^--^: that wasn't what i asked .. |
| 00:26.17 | ^--^ | such as using find and having find execute a command vs find -> pipe -> grep -> mv |
| 00:26.38 | jhutchins_lt | kreign: Do you? |
| 00:26.38 | abrotman | kreign: someone probably is .. ask a better question |
| 00:26.50 | ^--^ | abrotman; i literally have no idea what mv really does |
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| 00:30.38 | kreign | jhutchins_lt, yeah, well, I have historically, but I can't get it working on a host, wondering if anyone can give me a pointer. |
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| 00:32.22 | lavamind | hello, I'd like to install recompiled package of loop-aes-utils, modified so it doesnt conflict with fuse anymore (a patch is available on bts) but apt is going totally crazy about those two packages being installed on the same system (cant install/update anything else) |
| 00:33.02 | lavamind | do I also need to recompile fuse, taking out the "conflicts" parameter? |
| 00:33.02 | Vasistha | lavamind: oh, is there a conflict between fuse and loop-aes-utils? |
| 00:33.32 | lavamind | Vasistha, yes : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=636614 |
| 00:33.49 | Vasistha | lavamind: ...or perhaps repackage, it may not be necessary to recompile it |
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| 00:34.46 | lavamind | Vasistha, so far I've tried apt-get source loop-aes-utils, apply the patch, dpkg-buildpackage and dpkg -i --force-conflicts |
| 00:35.23 | lavamind | fuse and loop-aes stuff work fine, but ap is NOT happy |
| 00:35.27 | lavamind | apt* |
| 00:35.51 | Vasistha | lavamind: I gather. well if it's easiest then recompile fuse and repackage it |
| 00:37.03 | Vasistha | lavamind: truth be told I'm not sure :P but if I were you I would definitely try it and see |
| 00:37.56 | lavamind | Vasistha, well my system not having fuse, or loop-aes, or not being able to install a package is not a tolerable situation |
| 00:38.09 | lavamind | so i'll try and rebuild fuse also |
| 00:40.35 | Vasistha | lavamind: in the source dir there's a file, debian/control -- I think that's what you'll have to edit |
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| 00:42.00 | LemensTS | whats the top dns server for debian? |
| 00:42.42 | LemensTS | I see BIND9, i have used dnsmasq before |
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| 00:43.35 | koollman | LemensTS: 'top' on which scale ? do you need to host domains, or just do dns resolutions ? do you need special things, or basic stuff ? do you know how dns works, or not ? |
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| 00:44.05 | LemensTS | just basic stuff, for internal clients to server |
| 00:44.07 | physpeters | what exactly does apt require "ca-certificates" for? |
| 00:44.52 | koollman | LemensTS: then dnsmasq is probably just fine |
| 00:45.15 | ^--^ | http://www.debian.org/security/2011/dsa-2299 |
| 00:46.01 | Vasistha | physpeters: if you don't get those then your web browser will constantly ask you if you approve such-and-such certificate from such-and-such domain |
| 00:46.26 | Vasistha | physpeters: probably you'll get in the habit of just saying "yes" all the time and that is dangerous when you approve a fraudulent one |
| 00:47.00 | Vasistha | physpeters: so debian packages the trusted certificates so you'll only get prompted occasionally, when you encounter a certificate that's not signed by one of the authorities |
| 00:47.17 | peterS | physpeters: the straighforward answer to questions like these is: 'aptitude why ca-certificates' |
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| 00:47.39 | peterS | it will find the first dependency chain that starts with a package explicitly installed and ends with the package you're asking about |
| 00:48.14 | Vasistha | physpeters: of course CA's have been compromised, and there are lots of trustworthy certificates that aren't signde by those authorities. but anyway people have found it useful |
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| 00:51.49 | ^--^ | and even worse than either of those things -- there are several perfectly valid certs that should not have been issued such as for 'mail' |
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| 00:54.04 | haqe17 | quick question: I want to burn a debian cd installation iso to a usb (as i dont have any cd's available). Can I just use `dd if=debianimage.iso of=/dev/sdb` (sdb is my usb drive) ? |
| 00:55.27 | abrotman | !tell haqe17 about usb install |
| 00:55.27 | Vasistha | haqe17: I'm not sure if that will work or not however there are definitely usb images available separately from the iso files |
| 00:55.36 | abrotman | haqe17: the install guide covers how to copy the image to a USB device |
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| 00:56.51 | cdemwell | How does insserv decide what depends on what? |
| 00:57.06 | cdemwell | I linked my own script into /etc/init.d/ and called update-rc.d myscriptname default |
| 00:57.31 | cdemwell | and now I can't install things because insserv has decided that my script has a dependency loop with munin-node, which has nothing to do with my script |
| 00:57.41 | cdemwell | Obviously I did something wrong, but I'm not sure what |
| 00:58.54 | peterS | cdemwell: it parses the little comment section at the top of each script |
| 00:58.55 | Vasistha | cdemwell: why don't you pastebin your script |
| 00:59.18 | peterS | cdemwell: see the '### BEGIN INIT INFO' section at the top of most scripts in /etc/init.d |
| 00:59.58 | peterS | specifically '# Required-Start:' can refer to names that are provided by other scripts (in their '# Provides:' lines) |
| 01:00.10 | cdemwell | I have no such comment section in the script |
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| 01:00.19 | cdemwell | It's just an iptables firewall script! |
| 01:00.36 | cdemwell | I mean, I could add one, but... |
| 01:00.51 | peterS | cdemwell: I'd suggest referring to it from /etc/network/interfaces instead of using /etc/init.d in that case |
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| 01:01.09 | abrotman | !lsb tags |
| 01:01.09 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, Debian uses a dependency-based boot sequence (see /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.Debian). This requires all init scripts having appropriate headers, so that the correct order of execution can be determined. Scripts like S25libdevmapper1.02 are left over from Sarge and can be deleted; your own scripts will need LSB headers added: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
| 01:01.10 | cdemwell | Hmmm |
| 01:01.14 | cdemwell | I will definitely look into this |
| 01:01.18 | peterS | cdemwell: in the interfaces file you can say 'pre-up /etc/network/my_firewall_script' in a stanza for a given interface |
| 01:01.32 | cdemwell | aha, that's the issue then, this is my first squeeze machine I've done this to |
| 01:01.46 | Vasistha | yee |
| 01:02.10 | peterS | cdemwell: or, as I do: 'pre-up iptables-restore /etc/network/iptables.rules' where that file has been dumped by 'iptables-save' and then maintained in that form by me |
| 01:02.19 | Vasistha | more and more reasons I'm feeling strongly like I should just do a clean install on a new HDD rather than trying to upgrade my system that has so many old dirty kludges on it |
| 01:02.22 | cdemwell | I don't really want to use iptables-restore |
| 01:02.33 | cdemwell | so that reboots reset to a known state, not "whatever was on the box" |
| 01:02.53 | peterS | cdemwell: oh, I don't use iptables-save in real time. I use it _once_, then edit the iptables format file. |
| 01:03.19 | peterS | in other words, the iptables dump file is my master config. I only update it by editing it by hand, not by rerunning iptables-save |
| 01:03.48 | peterS | the iptables format file is very very similar to normal iptables command line syntax |
| 01:03.48 | Na_Klar | I have trouble to understand what >make< does. I compiled a program called >kbde< (keyboard emulator) and it succeeded with "ar: creating libkbde.a" .. but what the hell shall I do with that file? |
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| 01:04.48 | cdemwell | okay, so |
| 01:04.59 | peterS | Na_Klar: probably that's not the only file it outputs. anyway, most Makefiles (a Makefile provides instructions for what 'make' needs to do) include a target called 'install' that performs some sort of installation after the build. so probably 'make install'. you may need to be root for this, depending on how you set it up |
| 01:05.26 | cdemwell | know where I can find a document that describes how the network/pre-up scripts get run? |
| 01:05.36 | peterS | cdemwell: 'man interfaces' |
| 01:05.39 | cdemwell | thx |
| 01:05.41 | peterS | no problem |
| 01:05.57 | Na_Klar | peterS, okay. I got that makefile thing already. I will try make install and see what will happen :P ty so far |
| 01:05.58 | Corey | If I'm using debootstrap to create an OpenVZ image from Debian, is there a decent way to see that the chroot I build uses updated packages rather than what shipped originally? |
| 01:06.13 | peterS | whether you choose to keep your own script, or adopt the iptables-save dump file format as your master config, either way I recommend launching it from the interfaces file |
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| 01:07.00 | Na_Klar | peterS, will sudo satisfy the intaller or do I need to be root "in person"? |
| 01:07.36 | peterS | Na_Klar: 'sudo make install' is the typical thing to do, yes |
| 01:07.42 | Na_Klar | ty again |
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| 01:08.18 | cdemwell | peterS, is the pre-up command a command /line/ or just a single command? ie can I set "pre-up /path/script start"? |
| 01:08.36 | cdemwell | I suppose I could have said "does pre-up take a command and its arguments" |
| 01:08.49 | peterS | Na_Klar: make has a '-n' option that means "don't really do it, just show me what it would do". Can be useful in situations like this. 'make -n install', have a look at what it intends to do, then if that seems about right, 'sudo make install' |
| 01:09.00 | cdemwell | I think I actually want post-up now that I look at it; else iptables will balk |
| 01:09.08 | peterS | cdemwell: yes it takes arguments |
| 01:09.12 | cdemwell | woot |
| 01:09.24 | Na_Klar | peterS, yea I did that. So I found out I need to install gawk, gcc and rpm before :P |
| 01:09.46 | peterS | cdemwell: anyway yeah either pre-up or post-up - people use pre-up so there isn't a time gap between the interface coming up and the firewalling. but depending on what exactly you do with iptables, I suppose it might not work. |
| 01:10.25 | peterS | cdemwell: note that when pre-up runs, the interface (eth0 or whatever) does _exist_. it just isn't up. I think most iptables commands work fine with that. |
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| 01:11.00 | peterS | as opposed to the situation before the appropriate network driver kernel module is loaded, where the interface doesn't even exist |
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| 01:12.47 | cdemwell | peterS, my plan was pre-up will drop everything, and then post-up will permit traffic |
| 01:12.58 | cdemwell | hm, wait, I guess "drop everything except DHCP" would be better ;) |
| 01:13.59 | peterS | cdemwell: heh. the other advantage of using iptables-restore instead of iptables, btw: it atomically replaces the whole config (well, each table), rather than going line by line. and you don't have to explicitly do iptables -F or anything. |
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| 01:14.31 | cdemwell | hm |
| 01:15.39 | peterS | the disadvantage, I suppose, is that you can't use shell variables, loops, and the like. so I suppose it's not for everybody. still and all, I like it a lot. |
| 01:15.55 | wolfric | is there a way to preconfigure options in apt-get install? |
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| 01:16.50 | peterS | wolfric: "options"? |
| 01:16.50 | abrotman | wolfric: debconf-set-selections |
| 01:17.22 | cdemwell | well, I can still use a script to set it up, then iptables-save it, then continue |
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| 01:17.44 | cdemwell | I actually use iptables-save to snapshot the state before I do things, and roll back if there's an error |
| 01:17.56 | peterS | cdemwell: really it doesn't matter - it's a matter of taste whether you prefer a shell script or the format iptables-save uses. me, I prefer the latter. but I don't think most people do what I do. |
| 01:18.00 | cdemwell | yeah |
| 01:18.06 | cdemwell | I think a lot of people do, actually |
| 01:18.16 | cdemwell | but then a lot of people just iptables-save on shutdown and iptables-restore on boot |
| 01:18.25 | cdemwell | I think that's a mistake |
| 01:18.25 | peterS | I think a lot of people run iptables-save periodically and use the state-of-the-running-system as their master config |
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| 01:18.28 | peterS | to me that's backwards |
| 01:18.29 | Morgawr | question: I'm currently trying to build a patched debian kernel. I want my end-result kernel to work on any i386 machine (much like the one downloaded during the installation process). I already applied my patches to the source, what am I supposed to do now? |
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| 01:18.47 | hellekin | wolfric, abrotman: that's what I love on this channel. Serendipitious learning. Thank you both. |
| 01:18.51 | Morgawr | http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html I tried following this, I've already applied patches, but then I don't know which command I should do next |
| 01:19.11 | Morgawr | I've only ever updated the gentoo kernel and that's just make && make menuconfig (or something like that) and it only compiles it with the modules I need |
| 01:19.24 | Morgawr | but I want it to be as "standard" as possible like the normal debian kernel |
| 01:19.32 | Vasistha | Morgawr: are you sure you actually need this patch? |
| 01:19.40 | Morgawr | Vasistha: yes, why? |
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| 01:19.48 | Morgawr | it's for a university project |
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| 01:20.26 | Vasistha | Morgawr: it was more common in the past, but people used to build their own kernels without really having a good reason to do so. So we often check to make sure |
| 01:20.30 | ^--^ | Vasistha - isnt there a command to just have it steal the working kernel's config and apply with oppertunity to change? |
| 01:20.41 | Vasistha | I dunno. the one thing I know is this: |
| 01:20.43 | Vasistha | !kp mantra |
| 01:20.44 | dpkg | i heard kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an <initrd>. |
| 01:20.55 | ^--^ | heh |
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| 01:21.06 | ^--^ | !compile kernel |
| 01:21.06 | dpkg | [kernel-package] To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>. |
| 01:21.28 | ^--^ | !make-kpkg |
| 01:21.28 | dpkg | well, make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html , man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>. |
| 01:21.46 | ^--^ | ok not there, give me a second |
| 01:22.01 | Morgawr | okay :o |
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| 01:23.58 | ^--^ | ah ok, make localmodconfig makes a kernel running only the stuff you actually run |
| 01:24.24 | ^--^ | the make menuconfig // make xconfig |
| 01:24.28 | ^--^ | I think that's the step sir |
| 01:24.34 | Morgawr | so I just do make menuconfig? |
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| 01:24.58 | ^--^ | gimme sec, i'm following some herisy so now i gotta find 'the debian way' version |
| 01:25.12 | Morgawr | but the problem is that make menuconfig asks me what modules I want to load, I want it to be as generic as possible (As close as the original debian release) because I have to test it on a few other pc and I'm not sure if a specific kernel for my own pc wold work out of the box for those |
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| 01:26.47 | clerkent | will wheezey end up with gnome 3 by the time it hits stable ? |
| 01:26.48 | ^--^ | ok |
| 01:26.56 | ^--^ | so if im reading this right, there are flavor configs |
| 01:27.21 | ^--^ | the flavors are what get you your generic |
| 01:27.21 | Morgawr | yeah, I think flavor though only applies to i386/i686 and bigmem... ? |
| 01:27.36 | ^--^ | your looking for 64bit? |
| 01:27.57 | Morgawr | no no |
| 01:27.59 | Morgawr | I meant |
| 01:28.04 | Morgawr | do they include all the standard modules? |
| 01:28.08 | ^--^ | seems so |
| 01:28.11 | dvs | clerkent: it already does |
| 01:28.14 | Morgawr | okay cool, what's the command I should run? |
| 01:28.52 | clerkent | thanks there dvs |
| 01:28.58 | dvs | np |
| 01:29.05 | ^--^ | http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
| 01:29.11 | ^--^ | something like that? |
| 01:29.24 | Morgawr | thanks ^--^, going to read now |
| 01:30.35 | wolfric | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:30.59 | clerkent | I may as well try mint 12 live again |
| 01:31.17 | Morgawr | ^--^: it says here that the kernel is as big as 10GB (and if I build all it goes up to 40GB), is this true? |
| 01:31.22 | Morgawr | I mean.. it seems a bit too much... |
| 01:31.35 | ^--^ | mint? |
| 01:31.39 | ^--^ | ewwwww ~_~; |
| 01:32.13 | clerkent | windows to mint |
| 01:32.34 | clerkent | to mintdebian |
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| 01:33.31 | Morgawr | can somebody confirm me that a normal debian kernel takes around 10GB? because I have only 8 (or something) GB free on this machine |
| 01:33.36 | Morgawr | and 10GB seems way too much |
| 01:33.50 | ^--^ | I cannot confirm - ive never payed attention; sorry |
| 01:34.49 | civillian | Morgawr: that sounds wrong to me |
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| 01:35.06 | Morgawr | http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage this guide says: "Make sure you have at least 10 GB of disk space free (setup_amd64_none_amd64 took 7.3 GB in version 2.6.32-17)." |
| 01:35.22 | dvs | Morgawr: That's for a basic system |
| 01:35.56 | Morgawr | dvs: all I need/want to build is a kernel that I am able to take from my pc and put it on another pc with the same architecture (may have different modules though) and it will work |
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| 01:36.01 | Morgawr | what steps should I follow? I'm really confused here |
| 01:36.23 | dvs | !kp |
| 01:36.23 | dpkg | [kernel-package] To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>. |
| 01:36.25 | Morgawr | on gentoo I just did make menuconfig, selected modules and stuff and just compiled it. Here on debian it seems a bit harder to do... |
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| 01:36.27 | ^--^ | dvs |
| 01:36.34 | ^--^ | he wants to compile the generic kernel |
| 01:36.45 | ^--^ | with everything, not just what's active on his system |
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| 01:36.57 | Morgawr | I want a kernel that turns out to be like the kernel you get when you do a fresh debian installation |
| 01:37.04 | ^--^ | so i found the 'howtorebuildanofficialdebiankernelpackage' wiki |
| 01:37.05 | Morgawr | I mean, isn't that how it works? |
| 01:37.09 | ^--^ | http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
| 01:37.19 | ^--^ | Morgawr they won't lie in there ... |
| 01:37.43 | Morgawr | ^--^: I know, of course.. I'm just wondering if that is the one I'm looking for though... |
| 01:37.46 | babilen | ^--^: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
| 01:38.14 | Morgawr | babilen: I was following that guide before (when applying patches and whatnot) but I can't really find which one I need to compile... there are different options |
| 01:38.31 | Morgawr | seems the one I need is "$ fakeroot make -f debian/rules.gen binary-arch_i386_none_686" |
| 01:38.35 | Morgawr | but I'm not sure |
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| 01:45.53 | Morgawr | so I guess that is the option? :/ |
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| 01:47.32 | Shidash | So I have heard that Debian's ARM release might work with the ThinkPad tablet (https://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:item.detail?GroupID=37&Code=TABLET_64GWIFI¤t-category-id=00CE3A2177ABA63564CDF6AE8CD837B3&tab=2). Have any of you tried this? |
| 01:47.59 | Shidash | I am wondering if there are any driver issues to deal with on this or anything because it sounds like an interesting setup to use otherwise |
| 01:48.48 | abrotman | !arm |
| 01:48.49 | dpkg | Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at Debian 5.0 with official support dropped at Debian 6.0, ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. See also <armhf>. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
| 01:49.32 | Shidash | thanks |
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| 01:58.15 | linux50 | Hi Everyone. Forgive my Newbie question. I have a i7-960 processor (x86_64). I am trying to figure out which debian os is 64 bit. I see IA64, i386, and amd64. From my past experience the ia64 is for the Itanium processors, the i386 is the for 32bit processors so the only one left is the amd64. So is the right dvd image to download for my current processor? Thx. |
| 01:58.57 | civillian | linux50: amd64 is what you want |
| 01:58.59 | Morgawr | I think it is |
| 01:59.26 | linux50 | perfect |
| 01:59.29 | linux50 | thank you. |
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| 02:01.01 | linux50 | Okay. Im back. My apologies. Im in the ftp site in one of the mirrors. under the amd64/iso-dvd I see 8 x 4.4GB iso's. |
| 02:01.18 | linux50 | I download dvd #1 only right? |
| 02:01.19 | civillian | linux50: look for a netinst image |
| 02:01.25 | civillian | ~350MB |
| 02:01.27 | linux50 | does it have to be netinst |
| 02:01.31 | civillian | no |
| 02:01.36 | civillian | you can download whatever you want |
| 02:01.37 | linux50 | im going to install this in ESXi |
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| 02:01.50 | linux50 | as a guest |
| 02:01.50 | civillian | but I recommend netinst for the quick method |
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| 02:01.56 | linux50 | okay |
| 02:01.58 | linux50 | will do |
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| 02:02.09 | Morgawr | yeah, netinst or businesscard is what I always use |
| 02:02.17 | Morgawr | faster to bring with myself and smaller in size overall |
| 02:02.18 | dvs | linux50: dvd 1 will do too |
| 02:02.35 | psusi | yea, but then you have to wait for everything to download during install |
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| 02:02.45 | Morgawr | psusi: in my case that's better anyway :) |
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| 02:02.51 | Morgawr | depends on the person though |
| 02:03.16 | psusi | prefers to just let the big image bittorrent in the background, then install quickly |
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| 02:04.04 | Morgawr | psusi: I usually install it on virtual machines, so I just start the installation process and then hop out of the VM and do something else |
| 02:04.07 | Morgawr | overall, it's the same :) |
| 02:04.33 | psusi | if only qemu had accelerated 3d graphics... |
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| 02:05.40 | psusi | I just set up a vm tonight and installed testing on it, so I could build, install, and test the new gparted package I merged today from debian unstable and ubuntu to recombine them... first time I've installed debian since.... 2003 probably |
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| 02:11.52 | tim | hey all |
| 02:11.56 | dvs | yo |
| 02:12.03 | tim | i can't seem to apt-get update... |
| 02:12.07 | tim | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/dists/squeeze/non-free/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 199.6.12.70 80] |
| 02:12.12 | tim | unsure why? |
| 02:12.20 | tim | wget with the same url works. |
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| 02:13.34 | civillian | tim: that URL 404's for me too, you need /debian/ before dists |
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| 02:14.24 | dvs | tim: paste your sources.list on pastebin |
| 02:14.42 | tim | ugh |
| 02:14.47 | tim | I'm an idiot |
| 02:14.57 | tim | dpelled debian debain. |
| 02:15.14 | tim | (clearly, i cannot type tonight) |
| 02:15.31 | tim | civilian & dvs: thanks. |
| 02:15.35 | dvs | np |
| 02:15.44 | tim | I has another q |
| 02:15.50 | tim | running Wheezy on another computer. |
| 02:16.11 | tim | Xorg cursor moves very slowly ~5 minutes after starting up. |
| 02:16.19 | tim | and keystrokes are missed. |
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| 02:17.21 | civillian | tim: no idea. wireless kb+mouse? |
| 02:17.38 | tim | nah they are USB both |
| 02:17.43 | tim | if i restart X |
| 02:17.48 | tim | back to normal for a bit |
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| 02:20.04 | civillian | tim: no idea sorry. sounds like an interrupt issue |
| 02:20.45 | tim | okay thanks. |
| 02:21.01 | tim | I'll take h/w out of the computer. |
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| 02:27.48 | clerkent | If I'm running squeeze with the out of the box gnome, can I switch to xfce on the same installation ? |
| 02:28.24 | civillian | clerkent: sure, what point are you stuck? |
| 02:28.50 | clerkent | Its justa thought, I havent even started to implement |
| 02:29.01 | abrotman | you can have as many WMs installed as you want |
| 02:29.23 | clerkent | I have never changed a WM |
| 02:30.37 | clerkent | Is tghere an option at login or something ? |
| 02:30.44 | clerkent | there* |
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| 02:31.37 | civillian | clerkent: if you're using GDM then yes |
| 02:31.41 | zromayn | hello there, can anybody show me any document showing how to export an encrypted directory? I encrypted my home dir. If I try exporting it, i get "exportfs: /home/usuer1/backup does not support NFS export" |
| 02:32.45 | clerkent | civillian yes i am |
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| 02:34.48 | wad | Hi folks. I was on here recently, and got some good help on turning my debian server into a gateway. It's mostly working, but there's one thing I can't seem to figure out. |
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| 02:35.33 | gnarface | hey people, just a quick easy question: how long should it take ntpd to correct say, 2 minutes of drift |
| 02:35.34 | gnarface | ? |
| 02:35.46 | wad | From a computer on the LAN, I can "telnet zerbat.com 80" just fine. But if I try "telnet zerbat.com 25" the connection is rejected. How do I troubleshoot this? |
| 02:36.02 | wad | zerbat.com resolves to my server. |
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| 02:36.23 | abrotman | gnarface: you can skew the clock if you want .. otherwise .. probably a few days |
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| 02:36.37 | wad | Actually, it resolved to the static IP address of my residential gateway (modem), which forwards it to my server. |
| 02:36.46 | gnarface | abrotman: really? even for just a couple minutes? |
| 02:37.00 | beardy | wad: Configure your mailserver to answer on your interface and not only on 127.0.0.1, if that is what you really want. |
| 02:37.22 | wad | beardy, I'll check that again. |
| 02:37.27 | wad | goes to check it |
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| 02:37.43 | abrotman | gnarface: you can skew the clock .. but it's just two minutes? |
| 02:37.57 | gnarface | abrotman: yea yea i know. its a big deal to these guys though |
| 02:38.22 | dvs | PVR? |
| 02:38.35 | civillian | back again wad I see |
| 02:38.42 | gnarface | realtime messaging cluster |
| 02:38.46 | wad | Yes, thanks for the help the other night! |
| 02:38.48 | wad | I got a lot done. |
| 02:39.18 | wad | The server is now acting as a gateway, and users in the LAN can get to the websites hosted on the server. |
| 02:39.23 | wad | But now email isn't working right. Something is mis-configured. |
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| 02:39.34 | abrotman | gnarface: okay .. so slew the clock |
| 02:39.46 | civillian | wad: Most likely your gateway won't port forward from packets received on the internal interface |
| 02:40.09 | civillian | wad: how is your email system setup? |
| 02:40.25 | wad | civillian, I know that. But port 80 works... |
| 02:40.30 | wad | I've got postfix and dovecot. |
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| 02:41.05 | wad | With IMAP and Maildir. |
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| 02:41.08 | civillian | wad: is your debian box is serving an internal address for your web server? |
| 02:41.09 | wad | And Spamassassin |
| 02:41.10 | LordTrev | Apt keeps telling me flashplugin-nonfree has no installation canidate |
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| 02:41.23 | civillian | wad: via DNS I mean |
| 02:41.25 | wad | civillian, no, I don't think so. |
| 02:41.33 | wad | no |
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| 02:42.09 | wad | I think iptables is handling that. |
| 02:42.09 | karlpinc_ | !tell LordTrev about non-free sources |
| 02:42.11 | wad | I think. |
| 02:42.26 | civillian | wad: oh OK. |
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| 02:42.36 | wad | is trying to figure out where postfix actually is set up to listen on stuff. |
| 02:42.47 | wad | netstat -tapn | grep 25 shows: |
| 02:43.09 | karlpinc_ | wad: /etc/postfix/master.cf |
| 02:43.15 | wad | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2600/master |
| 02:43.15 | wad | tcp 1 16 192.168.115.111:25 140.211.11.3:51459 CLOSING - |
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| 02:43.35 | gnarface | abrotman: how ? by adding -x to /etc/defaults/ntp or something? |
| 02:44.11 | wad | karlpinc_, really? I don't see anything in there for that... |
| 02:44.14 | civillian | wad: telnet localhost 25 |
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| 02:44.21 | civillian | from your debian box |
| 02:44.28 | wad | that works. |
| 02:44.39 | wad | postfix answers. |
| 02:44.40 | wad | You can try it: telnet zerbat.com 25 |
| 02:44.58 | wad | My residential gateway (DSL modem) is properly forwarding port 25 to the server. |
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| 02:45.06 | wad | But from inside the LAN, I get "connection refused". |
| 02:45.38 | karlpinc_ | wad: It's the "service" column. Read the text at the top. |
| 02:45.51 | civillian | wad: I'd setup bind to serve an internal address for zerbat.com for your internal clients |
| 02:46.11 | wad | I don't host my own DNS right now. |
| 02:46.16 | civillian | or do your port forward trick |
| 02:46.19 | karlpinc_ | wad: You probably need to tell postfix it's ok to trust the local net. "man smtpd" iirc. |
| 02:46.20 | tim | civillian: it seems to have been an IRQ problem. |
| 02:46.35 | civillian | tim: nicely found |
| 02:46.36 | tim | removed a NIC & the problem (fingers crossed) has gone away. |
| 02:46.50 | wad | is going to fiddle with it for a moment and ignore IRC. brb |
| 02:47.19 | LordTrev | karlpinc_, you need contrib for flash player, but thanks |
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| 02:47.46 | Morgawr | I'm still trying to build this damn kernel... I can't figure out this http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
| 02:48.00 | Morgawr | I have some patches I need to apply to the kernel before I compile it |
| 02:48.10 | Morgawr | when do I have to apply them following those steps? |
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| 02:48.25 | Morgawr | I'm really confused, I've been here for 3 hours reading at different pages and they all say different things |
| 02:48.50 | Morgawr | http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html I tried doing this one but when I got to step 4.2.5 it threw a lot of errors and missing files so I just rescrapped everything and restarted |
| 02:48.54 | Morgawr | and I still don't understand |
| 02:50.25 | civillian | Morgawr: not sure about that method, but I apply patches before any make statements |
| 02:52.28 | Morgawr | I just don't understand steps 3-5 |
| 02:52.35 | Morgawr | ( from step 3 to step 5) |
| 02:52.40 | Morgawr | http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage of this page |
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| 03:17.46 | rocketma1net | hi all, i've a strange problem: my caps lock is inverted |
| 03:18.09 | rocketma1net | when it's activated i write small and otherwise i write big =( |
| 03:18.20 | tim | so leave it on :_) |
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| 03:19.08 | rocketma1net | ... that's no real solutoin... |
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| 03:20.30 | rocketma1net | I TRY A REBOOT |
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| 03:34.04 | hikenboot | is there a way on debian openiscsi to verify the list of iscsi shares that are currently on system? |
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| 03:34.14 | abrotman | lsscsi ? |
| 03:34.42 | hikenboot | what abrotman? |
| 03:34.58 | hikenboot | that command doesnt exist |
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| 03:35.09 | hikenboot | am i missing a package |
| 03:35.59 | abrotman | judd: info lsscsi |
| 03:36.02 | judd | Package lsscsi (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: list all SCSI devices (or hosts) currently on system. Version: 0.21-2; Size: 35.0k; Installed: 116k |
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| 03:38.08 | hikenboot | thanks abrotman and judd only problem is that its showing no iscsi shares so I must have screwed up somewhere |
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| 03:39.09 | abrotman | hikenboot: i said it might do what you want .. i'm not 100% sure |
| 03:39.24 | hikenboot | have a good night...go over this tomorrow |
| 03:39.32 | hikenboot | thanks for that info abrotman |
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| 03:49.26 | wad | Okay, I think I know what my problem is, and where to fix it. My attempts at fixing it have not been successful, though. |
| 03:50.20 | wad | From outside my network, "telnet zerbat.com 25" works great, because the residential gateway (DSL modem) correctly port-forwards that traffic to my server (acting as a gateway, with two NICs), which answers. |
| 03:52.28 | wad | But inside my network, zerbat.com resolves to the external IP address, but since it's going through the server and out to the residential gateway (DSL modem), it's hitting the modem from the LAN side, and it gets rejected. It's the *modem* that's throwing me out, not the server! |
| 03:53.03 | wad | So the right thing to do, I think, is it intercept this traffic on the way out. |
| 03:53.18 | wad | The obvious place to do this is at the server itself. |
| 03:53.37 | peterS | wad: indeed, add a rule to your NAT device to do the NAT port forwarding on _both_ interfaces, not just the external one |
| 03:53.42 | wad | I wonder if I just need to set up a hosts file on the server? |
| 03:54.13 | peterS | this should be a fairly simple iptables matter - probably just drop '-i eth0' or whatever, from the rule in question |
| 03:54.17 | wad | peterS: That would work, but my modem won't do it. |
| 03:54.25 | peterS | now if your NAT gateway is not running Linux, you might have a problem |
| 03:54.48 | wad | I have two NAT gateways, one running linux, and the other just a D-Link DSL modem. |
| 03:55.02 | wad | I think I might be able to take care of this with an /etc/hosts file on my server! |
| 03:55.07 | wad | I'm gonna try it. :) |
| 03:55.22 | peterS | a /etc/hosts entry on the client side will work for many purposes, though not for all |
| 03:56.03 | wad | Rats, this won't for in this case. |
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| 03:56.13 | r15 | hi |
| 03:56.18 | wad | I need real DNS. |
| 03:56.22 | wad | Well, I can do that. |
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| 03:56.42 | peterS | so are you saying you really need for zerbat.com to be _localhost_? i.e., you want to telnet from the same computer that is hosting the smtp server? |
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| 03:58.56 | r15 | i am using debian 5.0.8 version, trying to configure HUAWEI usb modem, however it's not working |
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| 03:59.34 | wad | peterS: Not quite. |
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| 03:59.38 | r15 | i am able to use nokia e6 with debian+wvdial, same usb modem is working fine with ubuntu (had gui settings) |
| 03:59.43 | wad | the smtp server is also my gateway. |
| 03:59.45 | peterS | r15: debian 5 is lenny, with linux kernel 2.6.26. that might be too old to support a given USB modem |
| 04:00.00 | wad | And the computers living on the LAN side of it need to go to that server for their email. |
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| 04:01.06 | peterS | wad: if I were you I'd see if I could configure the DSL modem to do just pass-through (typically pppoe) instead of NAT. then do all your NAT on your linux gateway. |
| 04:01.30 | wad | peterS: Actually, that's what I've been doing for the past 5 years. |
| 04:01.35 | r15 | peterS: you mean i should upgrade the kernel? |
| 04:01.37 | peterS | then your linux gateway would be a pppoe client instead of normal ethernet or what have you |
| 04:01.45 | wad | But I just moved, and bought a pack of 5 static IP addresses. |
| 04:02.14 | wad | But I'm thinking of dropping my DSL entirely, as AT&T just is awful. |
| 04:02.33 | peterS | wad: ah, so ... you can't disable the NAT on the DSL modem, if you are configured for a static /29? |
| 04:02.44 | r15 | installed debian a year back using network(high speed), no longrwlonger have same network. |
| 04:02.44 | peterS | that seems ... odd. how would you use any more than one static if that were true? |
| 04:03.06 | wad | Turns out that the DSL modem I purchased for this purpose doesn't support more than one static IP. |
| 04:03.12 | wad | So I screwed up there already. |
| 04:03.14 | wad | :-( |
| 04:03.21 | r15 | peterS: tasksel can install a new kernel? |
| 04:03.55 | peterS | r15: probably not. in any case I don't know if your problem has anything to do with drivers. we simply don't have enough information |
| 04:04.01 | wad | I'm going to just install DNS and see if that solves it. I should be running DNS myself anyway. |
| 04:04.17 | wad | It's a good opportunity to learn how it works. |
| 04:04.22 | peterS | r15: what we do know is that you're running a version of Debian that is so old, it is only a month or two away from being entirely unsupported |
| 04:04.38 | wad | Which brings me to a point that I don't really understand.... |
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| 04:05.43 | wad | I'm going to fiddle around with DNS for a while. |
| 04:05.44 | r15 | peterS: dmesg shows that the usb device is detected, wvdialconf shows no modem detected. |
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| 04:07.53 | r15 | k, i will try to have latest version of debian installed.[1~o |
| 04:08.05 | r15 | thanks peterS |
| 04:08.06 | peterS | wad: you _could_ configure your SMTP server to listen on 75.33.102.198 in addition to its internal IP. If it's functioning as the default gateway for your client systems, I suspect that would work. |
| 04:08.22 | wad | hmm |
| 04:08.39 | peterS | try it: ip addr add 75.33.102.198/29 dev eth0 |
| 04:08.43 | wad | Here's the line in master.cf: |
| 04:08.45 | wad | smtp inet n - - - - smtpd -o content_filter=spamassassin |
| 04:08.56 | wad | I read the man page: man 5 master |
| 04:09.06 | wad | And it had a section talking about "inet" and how it works. |
| 04:09.14 | wad | But I didn't understand how to use it. |
| 04:09.19 | wad | I googled for some examples. |
| 04:09.24 | peterS | I don't think that's gonna help you |
| 04:09.31 | skilz | Hey im trying to play the classic minecraft in iceweasel, I have the icedtea6-plugin installed, I see the java applet load and it displays Minecraft quickly then leaves me at a blank screen |
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| 04:09.43 | wad | I can't figure out any other way to make postfix listen on the internal LAN though. |
| 04:09.45 | peterS | try the ip line. (you may need to install 'iproute' if you don't already have it) |
| 04:09.53 | skilz | Do I need something else installed or what? I can't even right click on the black box to bring up a menu or anything. |
| 04:10.07 | wad | I've got iproute.... |
| 04:10.11 | wad | there's no man page for it. |
| 04:10.23 | wad | what does it do? |
| 04:10.38 | peterS | wad: anyway try the line I gave you, I'm pretty sure it's the right syntax. It will add a second IP to your eth0 interface. |
| 04:10.39 | wad | What ip line? Is that somewhere in master.cf? |
| 04:10.39 | linux50 | hi guys... im trying to disable flowcontrol for my e1000 module on debian |
| 04:11.04 | wad | oh..... |
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| 04:11.09 | linux50 | Im used to rhel |
| 04:11.10 | wad | tries to understand. |
| 04:11.13 | peterS | wad: a command I gave you to run interactively at your root shell prompt. ip addr add 75.33.102.198/29 dev eth0 |
| 04:11.24 | peterS | wad: then 'ip addr list' to see the results |
| 04:11.25 | wad | Oh, interactively! But will it stick through a reboot? |
| 04:11.29 | peterS | it will not |
| 04:11.31 | linux50 | what happened to modprobe.conf |
| 04:11.38 | wad | I need to put it into a shell script somewhere then? |
| 04:11.40 | peterS | if this works, _then_ we can see about doing it so that it will happen at boot time |
| 04:11.47 | peterS | first try it and see if it works |
| 04:11.52 | peterS | then we'll move on to making it happen at boot |
| 04:12.08 | peterS | linux50: /etc/modprobe.d/{any file} |
| 04:12.13 | wad | ok |
| 04:12.25 | peterS | linux50: pick a filename, any filename. I use 'local' for my local needs. |
| 04:12.26 | wad | give me a moment to understand it a little better. :) |
| 04:12.40 | peterS | wad: start with just 'ip a' to see your current config |
| 04:12.46 | wad | ok |
| 04:12.48 | peterS | wad: ('a' is short for 'addr' there.) |
| 04:12.51 | linux50 | okay |
| 04:13.32 | peterS | wad: also, there is no 'man iproute' because the binary is named 'ip'. there is a 'man ip'. It is very long and complex, because the tool can do so many things. |
| 04:13.50 | wad | lol |
| 04:13.53 | wad | I've got it up already. |
| 04:14.45 | wad | http://pastebin.com/j7nuXVBW |
| 04:14.50 | peterS | anyway, 'ip a add 75.33.102.198/29 dev eth0' is the sort of thing you need. For your purpose I don't know if it matters whether it's on eth0 or eth1 or wlan0 or whatever interfaces you have. you just need the machine to know that that IP belongs to it. |
| 04:14.51 | wad | That's the output of ip a |
| 04:14.57 | karlpinc_ | wad: (Which, to be off-point, is where reading "man less" comes in, because it tells you how to use the PAGER which displays man pages, which in turn lets you skip around and read just the parts you need to read.) |
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| 04:15.24 | peterS | wad: so yeah, you have eth0 and eth1. I don't know if it matters which one you add the second IP to |
| 04:15.35 | wad | eth0 is the WAN side, and eth1 is the LAN side. |
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| 04:15.47 | peterS | that's what I guessed, from the IPs in question |
| 04:15.58 | wad | I'd add the second IP to the LAN side.... |
| 04:16.09 | peterS | sure. just try it and see. If it doesn't work, it is easy to undo |
| 04:16.17 | wad | ok |
| 04:16.22 | wad | ip addr add 75.33.102.198/29 dev eth1 |
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| 04:16.32 | peterS | to undo: 'ip a del 75.33.102.198.29 dev eth1' - just like 'add' but with 'del' |
| 04:16.37 | wad | that works! |
| 04:16.42 | peterS | ok so it works |
| 04:16.47 | peterS | now open up /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 04:16.54 | peterS | in an editor |
| 04:16.55 | wad | does so |
| 04:17.18 | peterS | somewher under the 'iface eth1' line, add: up ip addr add 75.33.102.198/29 dev eth1 |
| 04:17.34 | peterS | the 'up' means "run this command right after the interface comes up" |
| 04:17.52 | peterS | thus it will happen at boot time, whenever the interface is brought online |
| 04:17.54 | linux50 | peterS: How do i disable Flowcontrol on eth0 and eth1 via my /etc/modprob.d/local file? |
| 04:18.04 | wad | http://pastebin.com/jYvKFna9 |
| 04:18.12 | peterS | linux50: flow control on eth0 and eth1? I don't know what you're talking about. what is flow control in the context of ethernet? |
| 04:18.34 | peterS | wad: right, add the 'up' line I gave you anywhere after the 'iface eth1' line |
| 04:18.42 | wad | ok |
| 04:18.58 | peterS | wad: (and btw you can delete the 'network' line, it is redundant - debian can figure it out from the 'netmask') |
| 04:18.58 | wad | sweet |
| 04:19.15 | wad | got it |
| 04:19.28 | peterS | you can actually remove the 'broadcast' line too, for the same reason |
| 04:19.34 | linux50 | peterS: This is the request I received via my Sr. regarding a new server build out.: It’s going to need two interfaces, please configure the e1000 module to ignore RX/TX flow control and make the ring buffer nice and big do we don’t get overflows and congestion and if you could configure the IP stack for vegas congestion with sysctl variables that will lower the TCP timeout parameters to something sane. |
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| 04:20.03 | wad | Okay, cool |
| 04:20.10 | wad | So.... why does this line work? |
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| 04:20.13 | wad | What is happening? |
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| 04:20.19 | peterS | wad: anyway: as you can see if you run 'ip a' again, a given network interface can support multiple IPs just fine. This is something you need 'ip' [from iproute] for, as 'ifconfig' cannot configure this. (or it couldn't last I knew.) |
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| 04:20.40 | wad | ipconfig is a wrapper around ip? |
| 04:21.07 | peterS | wad: ifconfig not ipconfig. ifconfig is old school unix. ip is the new world order. ('ip' syntax was mainly borrowed from cisco, actually.) |
| 04:21.08 | wad | ifconfig doesn't show this ip address.... |
| 04:21.33 | peterS | yeah, ifconfig isn't nearly as sophisticated, there's a lot of this sort of thing it can't show and can't configure |
| 04:21.40 | wad | interesting! |
| 04:21.57 | wad | (I meant "ifconfig", not "ipconfig") |
| 04:21.57 | peterS | anyway: what is happening: your system now thinks it has 3 IPs. two in 192.168, one 75.whatever |
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| 04:22.15 | gesparza | hello everyone |
| 04:22.17 | peterS | so now, if a packet comes in destined for any of those 3 IPs, your server knows it should handle it |
| 04:22.24 | wad | Why the 75.whatever? |
| 04:22.28 | peterS | instead of forwarding it on, like it normally would, as a gateway |
| 04:22.35 | linux50 | PeterS: so do you have any idea regading my issue? |
| 04:22.37 | peterS | because that's the DNS entry for your server |
| 04:22.40 | gesparza | linux50 can u please repost your question |
| 04:22.56 | wad | ooooohhhh |
| 04:23.17 | wad | my buffer is full, give me a few to process. Help linux50. :) |
| 04:23.36 | peterS | linux50: you need to go read about those protocol issues, then. There are sysctls and such for some of this stuff. I'm not going to go read all the docs for you, I'll let you do that |
| 04:24.09 | linux50 | So the request is resolved via a modprobe option or via sysctl? |
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| 04:24.52 | peterS | linux50: to see if you can use a modprobe option, try either '/sbin/modinfo e1000' or '/sbin/modinfo e1000e', depending on which driver your particular PRO/1000 chip actually uses |
| 04:25.06 | peterS | modinfo lists the options you can set for a given kernel module |
| 04:25.27 | linux50 | I want to add the option of flowcontrol = 0 to the e1000 module via modprobe.d/local file |
| 04:25.28 | peterS | (also, it really bugs me that modinfo is in /sbin, because I almost always run it as non-root, so I have to type the full path.) |
| 04:25.31 | linux50 | i just dont know how to do that |
| 04:25.48 | peterS | man modprobe.conf |
| 04:25.53 | linux50 | okay |
| 04:25.57 | peterS | just because the file is no longer named modprobe.conf doesn't mean the manpage isn't (: |
| 04:26.17 | peterS | you want an 'options' line, anyway |
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| 04:26.38 | peterS | also, you should verify that it _is_ the e1000 module, since some Intel PRO/1000 chips actually use the e1000e module |
| 04:26.39 | linux50 | peterS: Thats exactly what i needed |
| 04:26.42 | linux50 | thank you so much |
| 04:26.45 | peterS | no problem |
| 04:26.53 | wad | Okay, I got it! Duh, that 75.33.102.198 is my own static IP (I didn't immediately recognize it), and the /29 is the block of 8 thingie, right? |
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| 04:27.28 | peterS | wad: ha! yes, /29 means block of 8. since the top addr of the 8 is "broadcast" and the bottom is "network" and one of the others is "the router", they market it as a block of 5 |
| 04:27.55 | peterS | if you're clever and have the right router, you can use 6, 7 or all 8 of your statics. |
| 04:28.06 | wad | Yeah, a friend of mine does that. |
| 04:28.07 | wad | He's a debian committer, actually. |
| 04:28.30 | peterS | well, apparently, anyway. I haven't actually tried this. when I moved house a couple years ago, AT&T didn't offer DSL in my new location, so I had to switch away before I had a chance to buy a static block |
| 04:28.47 | wad | He kept trying to convince me to do all those clever things, and I explained that I really only need one at the moment anyway.... ;) |
| 04:29.06 | peterS | yeah, there isn't all _that_ much use for more than one static |
| 04:29.41 | peterS | to be honest, I was an AT&T DSL customer for _years_, running servers on my dynamic IP - they rotate the IPs so infrequently that a simple free account with zoneedit worked great |
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| 04:29.48 | savr | ok |
| 04:29.54 | savr | I am having apt trouble |
| 04:30.08 | peterS | wad: who's your friend, then? debian is a relatively small world.. |
| 04:30.16 | wad | I used to host servers on a dynamic comcast account. I ran ddclient and used dyndns. |
| 04:30.18 | savr | how do I clear what apt is trying to install |
| 04:30.20 | wad | timr |
| 04:30.25 | wad | timr = Tim Riker |
| 04:30.33 | peterS | ah, don't know him personally |
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| 04:30.48 | wad | I do. We carpooled to work for years. |
| 04:31.11 | wad | He does the bzflag project. |
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| 04:31.23 | peterS | wad: I'm not entirely pleased I was forced to switch to local cable internet since AT&T wouldn't service my new address. because unlike DSL, the cable internet actually blocks inbound port 25 and 80. |
| 04:31.39 | savr | soooooo…. carpooling is more interesting than apt problems :D |
| 04:31.39 | peterS | cable internet is faster, to be sure, but I liked running servers |
| 04:31.40 | wad | Oh, it does? |
| 04:31.52 | wad | That's a critical failure. |
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| 04:32.12 | peterS | to me it is. in principle as well as in practice. it means the internet is officially a one-way service. |
| 04:32.23 | wad | If I abandoned AT&T's DSL and went with Time Warner cable, I'd get their business class for $100 per month, and I'd sure how that they didn't block ports on that one. :) |
| 04:32.51 | wad | Comcast cable didn't block ports when I was using them. That was a few years ago. |
| 04:33.02 | peterS | wad: amusingly, my TOS states that I must not join more than two IRC networks at once. sad to say, I violate that one from time to time for perfectly legitimate reasons. This is more bull@#$% that AT&T didn't do. |
| 04:33.34 | wad | My cable provider TOS said that I must not be connected to any other network at any time. |
| 04:33.36 | wad | What a load. |
| 04:33.49 | wad | Anyway, I must reboot the server, and make sure it works. |
| 04:33.54 | peterS | anyway I _am_ using residential, not business, service. presumably I'd be a little more free if I were willing to pay for statics. |
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| 04:34.20 | peterS | savr: carpooling is far more interesting than apt, yes |
| 04:34.28 | peterS | savr: are you using apt-get or aptitude here? |
| 04:34.33 | savr | apt-get |
| 04:35.17 | peterS | what is it you want to clear? I don't use apt-get all that much, but from when I did use it I don't remember that it particularly keeps track of what you want to install/remove but haven't yet |
| 04:35.44 | gesparza | how can i have the kernel refelect my new setting in /etc/modprobe.d/local ? |
| 04:35.56 | gesparza | with out rebooting |
| 04:36.02 | peterS | gesparza: unload and reload the e1000 module |
| 04:36.08 | gesparza | thanks peter |
| 04:36.15 | peterS | this probably requires taking down the interface it is using, like with 'ifdown eth0' |
| 04:36.20 | peterS | then 'rmmod e1000' |
| 04:36.27 | peterS | 'modprobe e1000' and finally 'ifup eth0' |
| 04:36.31 | peterS | that sort of thing |
| 04:36.39 | savr | peterS: it trying to install a new version of libc before I have upgraded the kernel |
| 04:36.43 | peterS | (and 'lsmod' in the middle to verify that it's unloaded) |
| 04:37.08 | savr | it will not let me install a new version of the kernel without finishing the install of libc |
| 04:37.17 | gesparza | ok peter thanks again! |
| 04:37.22 | savr | and libc will not install till I upgrade the kernel |
| 04:37.22 | peterS | savr: I always resolve these things with aptitude, particularly its full-screen interface. It takes some getting used to, but now that I'm used to it, I couldn't live without it |
| 04:38.00 | peterS | savr: so you want to upgrade both packages, then? new libc _and_ new kernel package? |
| 04:38.05 | savr | it tells me |
| 04:38.07 | savr | The installation of a 2.6 kernel _could_ ask you to install a new libc |
| 04:38.08 | savr | first, this is NOT a bug, and should *NOT* be reported. In that case, |
| 04:38.09 | savr | please add lenny sources to your /etc/apt/sources.list and run: |
| 04:38.10 | savr | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.10 | *** kick/#debian [savr!~debhelper@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste) |
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| 04:38.31 | savr | but this does not help |
| 04:38.40 | peterS | savr: so, uh, what is your kernel version at present? 'uname -r' I mean |
| 04:38.58 | savr | 2.6.18-274.7.1.el5.028stab095.1 |
| 04:39.07 | peterS | looks like red hat |
| 04:39.23 | peterS | how did you end up with a red hat kernel on a debian system? sounds like there is a story here |
| 04:39.28 | savr | lol |
| 04:39.30 | savr | no |
| 04:39.35 | savr | I am on a vps |
| 04:39.42 | savr | it install debian 5 |
| 04:39.49 | savr | I upgraded to debian 6 |
| 04:39.52 | peterS | see I thought there might be a story here. "on a vps" qualifies as a story |
| 04:39.59 | peterS | it also means you might not have any choice about which kernel you run |
| 04:40.09 | savr | now I want to install debian testing |
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| 04:40.22 | savr | damn it |
| 04:40.32 | peterS | which in turn means you might be at the mercy of (a) your VPS provider, and (b) the libc maintainers, as to whether you can run debian's latest stuff |
| 04:40.44 | savr | I am on openvz |
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| 04:41.22 | peterS | savr: so, as for kernels: do you have the lenny kernel installed? 'dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.26-*' will say.. |
| 04:41.30 | peterS | the * will cause it to list any such packages you have installed |
| 04:42.21 | savr | No packages found matching linux-image-2.6.26-*. |
| 04:42.24 | savr | :( |
| 04:42.59 | peterS | anyway, probably doesn't matter - I guess with openvz you don't run your own kernel, you just run whatever the host is running |
| 04:43.16 | peterS | if you don't have any control over what kernel the host is running, then that's pretty much that |
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| 04:43.18 | savr | shit |
| 04:43.38 | peterS | well, I could be wrong. I mix up my technologies sometimes. perhaps it _is_ possible to run your own kernel under openvz. |
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| 04:44.37 | savr | off to ask in #openvz |
| 04:44.43 | peterS | yeah |
| 04:45.27 | savr | ls /boot/ |
| 04:45.31 | savr | empty |
| 04:45.38 | savr | omg I am running kernel less! |
| 04:45.52 | savr | how does my system boot?! |
| 04:45.52 | peterS | so it's like xen then, booting a kernel directly from the host system |
| 04:48.19 | savr | according to http://thelinuxfix.com/blog/2011/10/27/openvz-vs-xen-some-vps-basics/ |
| 04:48.22 | savr | it is true |
| 04:48.28 | savr | damn it |
| 04:48.33 | savr | going to reinstall |
| 04:49.34 | savr | simply because it is quicker |
| 04:50.41 | savr | when did debian 6 come out? |
| 04:51.29 | savr | feb 11 |
| 04:51.30 | technologov | lol? in feb 2011. |
| 04:51.49 | savr | so…. debian 6 or ubuntu 11.04? |
| 04:52.00 | technologov | deb6 |
| 04:52.22 | savr | I prefer not to install stuff manually |
| 04:52.35 | savr | and I prefer my stuff to be uptodate |
| 04:53.04 | peterS | debian or ubuntu is a pretty personal choice. install whichever one makes you more comfortable. there are lots of pros and cons. this help channel I feel is a pro for debian, from what I hear, ubuntu interactive support isn't as good |
| 04:54.30 | savr | I prefer debian since that is what I grew up with |
| 04:54.58 | savr | but this is really down to which one has newer software which will not fuck up on my vps |
| 04:55.17 | technologov | ha ha :) |
| 04:55.55 | technologov | I think Ubuntu LTS will be rebased on Debian-stable in future... |
| 04:55.59 | peterS | I have zero experience with openvz so I can't recommend one or the other on that basis |
| 04:56.13 | technologov | they are both 2-year release cycles |
| 04:56.21 | peterS | in general debian stable has a better reputation than ubuntu normal releases, for that sort of thing, but ubuntu LTS might be a different matter |
| 04:56.29 | technologov | ubuntu lacks OpenVZ kernel (AFAIK) |
| 04:56.31 | savr | e.g. mysql on ubuntu is newer than debian |
| 04:56.47 | peterS | oh if ubuntu doesn't ship an openvz capable kernel, that sort of makes your decision easier |
| 04:57.02 | savr | ummm |
| 04:57.10 | savr | my host can install ubuntu |
| 04:57.21 | savr | plus this is on the client not the host |
| 04:57.30 | savr | so it doesn't make any difference |
| 04:57.50 | peterS | savr: well, I mean, with openvz, the host kernel is also the client kernel. if the host kernel doesn't support openvz, then you can't run openvz |
| 04:58.10 | savr | does debian 6 have backports? |
| 04:58.13 | peterS | savr: so if technologov is right and ubuntu doesn't ship an openvz kernel, then any openvz provider would have to use their own kernel |
| 04:58.21 | peterS | yes, debian 6 has backports of quite a bit of stuff |
| 04:58.28 | peterS | http://backports.debian.org/ for details |
| 04:58.43 | peterS | (the .debian.org shows that it's an official service, which was not always the case) |
| 04:58.46 | savr | peterS: it will be using the host kernel eitherway |
| 04:58.51 | peterS | right |
| 05:00.14 | savr | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=httpd&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=squeeze-backports |
| 05:00.16 | savr | :( |
| 05:00.44 | peterS | keywords httpd, what are you actually looking for? httpd isn't a package |
| 05:01.07 | savr | apache2 |
| 05:01.42 | peterS | squeeze has apache 2.2.16, is that not new enough? |
| 05:01.44 | dioz | lighttpd |
| 05:01.49 | savr | no |
| 05:01.58 | savr | I need the latest numbers |
| 05:01.59 | dioz | yes |
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| 05:02.03 | savr | :P |
| 05:02.13 | peterS | web servers reached feature completion about 15 years ago, it's not like there are terribly exciting new things happening in the http protocol anymore |
| 05:02.19 | savr | people will be pinging my server |
| 05:02.37 | dioz | lots of people? |
| 05:02.38 | technologov | and ? |
| 05:02.48 | technologov | so let them ping :) |
| 05:02.58 | savr | and be saying peeeyou he is running a 6 month of release of apache |
| 05:03.09 | dioz | i know i'd be saying that |
| 05:03.10 | technologov | Debian's versions of software are _vastly_ improved over standard software. |
| 05:03.11 | savr | btw I will be running nginx so…. |
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| 05:03.31 | technologov | Take IceWeasel 3.5 - is based on FFox 3.5 as example |
| 05:03.35 | savr | and I already install debian 6 |
| 05:03.35 | peterS | if you're concerned that your geek cred will be tarnished because you aren't running whatever version of stuff gentoo has |
| 05:03.43 | peterS | then, well, debian isn't and never will be what you need |
| 05:03.46 | technologov | Debian's IceWeasel has all security patches of FFox 8 applied :) |
| 05:03.54 | dioz | lol peterS |
| 05:03.59 | technologov | It is a big diff. versus standard FFox 3.5 |
| 05:04.17 | savr | omg thats 4.5 versions outdated |
| 05:04.36 | savr | I'd loose face in front of all my friends |
| 05:04.38 | technologov | but security-wise it is top. |
| 05:04.38 | savr | :P |
| 05:04.59 | dioz | get the latest bins from the site |
| 05:05.01 | technologov | read Why I like Debian Stable ? |
| 05:05.04 | technologov | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=73210&p=407105#p407105 |
| 05:05.05 | dioz | or get the source and compile your own |
| 05:05.07 | peterS | well, if you need to keep up with the latest, you want debian unstable, not debian stable |
| 05:05.14 | lstarnes | or testing |
| 05:05.23 | dioz | volatile! |
| 05:05.29 | technologov | Debian's packages are _way_ better than upstream in many cases. |
| 05:05.29 | peterS | unstable not only has iceweasel (ffox) 8.0, it gives you the option of installing packages from experimental, which has 9.0beta4 |
| 05:05.55 | peterS | now I don't know if 9.0beta4 is enough to impress your friends. guess it depends on your friends. |
| 05:06.01 | savr | I can't keep up |
| 05:06.07 | technologov | ha ha :) |
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| 05:06.18 | savr | I can't update my libc because of my hosts kernel |
| 05:06.22 | savr | which remind me |
| 05:06.30 | technologov | nice said, peterS :) |
| 05:06.37 | peterS | your host kernel is controlled by the openvz host |
| 05:06.46 | peterS | so to solve that problem you have to do something about the openvz host |
| 05:06.52 | savr | I should contact them and remind them to update the kernel next reboot |
| 05:07.03 | technologov | y. 3.2-rc :) |
| 05:07.06 | peterS | if you update to either debian _or_ ubuntu on the openvz host, presumably the kernel you end up using will be new enough to support anything you need |
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| 05:08.11 | peterS | but really, the kernel you get will obviously depend on the VPS provider. they might not use a kernel straight from debian or ubuntu - they might have some QA process they follow to produce their own kernels that they can support |
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| 05:09.10 | ion_ | how shall I install my graphics card? |
| 05:09.11 | CVirus | All arabic pdf files display properly except for this one .. it displays garbled text .. What could be wrong ? |
| 05:09.54 | technologov | peterS, OpenVZ kernels are damn hard to upgrade. |
| 05:10.09 | peterS | CVirus: dunno ... maybe all the others embed their own fonts and one does not, and you don't have the appropriate system fonts installed? |
| 05:10.11 | technologov | Not every upstream kernel can be 'OpenVZded' |
| 05:10.30 | CVirus | peterS: how can I know which font the pdf uses so that I installed it ? |
| 05:10.37 | savr | peterS: the host seems like it is running red hat or something |
| 05:10.39 | CVirus | install* |
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| 05:11.15 | peterS | savr: ...and we arrive back where we started. <peterS> how did you end up with a red hat kernel on a debian system? sounds like there is a story here |
| 05:11.21 | peterS | (from about 30 minutes ago) |
| 05:11.46 | savr | thats easy |
| 05:11.57 | savr | my host is running red hat or something |
| 05:12.03 | peterS | yep |
| 05:12.19 | peterS | maybe red hat, maybe centos, maybe someone else that decided to use a RH kernel. |
| 05:12.46 | ion_ | can anyone tell me how do I instlal the graphics card,please.. |
| 05:13.21 | technologov | ion_, put into PCI-E slot :) |
| 05:13.26 | peterS | ion_: largely it's a matter of physically installing the hardware and convincing your BIOS to boot with it |
| 05:13.35 | technologov | then download non-free drivers (NVIDIA/AMD) |
| 05:13.56 | savr | Err http://ftp.debian.org squeeze/updates/main amd64 Packages |
| 05:13.57 | savr | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.01 | technologov | (or use free drivers, such as 'vesa') |
| 05:14.03 | savr | hmm |
| 05:14.08 | ion_ | peterS:the drives I mean... |
| 05:14.22 | peterS | savr: not ftp.debian.org there, I think you wanted security.debian.org |
| 05:14.39 | savr | arghh |
| 05:14.56 | peterS | ion_: depends on the hardware. what is it? 'lspci | grep VGA' will usually tell |
| 05:15.24 | peterS | ...though not always, some modern cards are not VGA compatible, so you need 'lspci | grep Disp' |
| 05:16.23 | ion_ | peterS:ATI Technologies Inc Device 9804 |
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| 05:16.33 | savr | peterS: is it wrong by default or is this the fault of my host? |
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| 05:17.08 | peterS | savr: guess it depends on how you installed your OS, and who has been editing /etc/apt/sources.list since then |
| 05:17.31 | peterS | a default debian install will get it right, but I have no idea how your particular install was done |
| 05:17.50 | savr | it was installed by my host |
| 05:18.10 | ion_ | peterS:I think that debian couldn't because I have very low resolution. |
| 05:18.38 | peterS | ion_: ah, Radeon HD 6250. pretty new stuff. |
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| 05:20.08 | ion_ | peterS:I've been looking on the Internet but I didn't find a forum or website that could help me out |
| 05:21.12 | peterS | ion_: I don't know offhand which version, if any, of the 'xserver-xorg-video-radeon' package supports your chip. trying to figure it out now.. |
| 05:22.13 | larrikin_ | any chance that gnome-panel can lose the dependence on evolution suite at some point? |
| 05:22.43 | ion_ | peterS:I trying to do that ... |
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| 05:24.36 | peterS | ion_: I'm reading http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/x/xserver-xorg-video-ati/xserver-xorg-video-ati_6.14.3-1/changelog.html but I don't see mention of specific chips there |
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| 05:27.13 | ion_ | peterS:I don't have a manual for the graphics card only... |
| 05:27.28 | ion_ | peterS:Just the laptop's manual. |
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| 05:29.38 | peterS | ion_: well. looks like 6.14 supports "Radeon HD 6200 Series" among many many other chips. so that would probably be what you want. what I do not know is when this support was added |
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| 05:31.48 | ion_ | peterS:yeah I gonna try... |
| 05:32.14 | peterS | ion_: I can pretty much confirm that debian 6.0 (squeeze) does not have a new enough radeon driver |
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| 05:32.31 | peterS | ion_: so what you probably need is backports |
| 05:33.03 | savr | damn name.com |
| 05:33.10 | savr | I am trying to checkout |
| 05:33.21 | savr | I have entered my details 4 times |
| 05:33.22 | peterS | ion_: http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ - do the 2 steps listed under "Add backports to your sources.list" |
| 05:33.44 | savr | and I keep on getting an error telling me to refresh the page |
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| 05:34.03 | peterS | ion_: then do the next step, specifically: apt-get -t squeeze-backports install xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 05:34.37 | peterS | ion_: actually make that: apt-get -t squeeze-backports install xserver-xorg-video-ati xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 05:34.48 | peterS | (you probably want both of those) |
| 05:35.07 | ion_ | peterS:http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Debian_Installation_Guide |
| 05:35.20 | ion_ | peterS:I found this... |
| 05:35.40 | peterS | ion_: yeah, I suggest the radeon driver from backports instead |
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| 05:36.05 | peterS | ion_: but it's possible that the driver from AMD is better in some ways, for some things |
| 05:37.01 | peterS | if you do that, though, you can go ask AMD for help when something doesn't work, as it isn't something we can really support around here |
| 05:37.01 | technologov | BTW: How many are there Free Software vs. Open-Source activists in Debian? |
| 05:37.22 | peterS | technologov: debian isn't really about activism, so it's not an easy question to answer. most of us are more interested in getting work done |
| 05:37.34 | technologov | =open-source |
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| 05:37.57 | technologov | getting work done = skype, flash, firmware, ... |
| 05:38.33 | peterS | debian definitely has roots in the free software community. but the open source community, interestingly, has roots in _debian_. |
| 05:38.58 | peterS | (the Open Source Definition is largely borrowed from the Debian Free Software Guidelines, e.g.) |
| 05:39.31 | clerkent | how do i do wheezey from a stable setup ? |
| 05:39.34 | technologov | y, but OSS activists are users whom are willing to compromise freedom to get work done. Or to have convenience. |
| 05:39.52 | technologov | Free Software activists (like Richard Stallman) will not. |
| 05:40.13 | clerkent | is itreally just changing the name in sources.list? |
| 05:40.29 | tensorpudding | the gnu community predates debian or linux |
| 05:40.44 | peterS | technologov: if you don't believe it, compare http://www.opensource.org/osd.html and http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines - the OSD is pretty clearly a derived work (: |
| 05:40.45 | technologov | clerkent, just enable 'testing' repo |
| 05:41.07 | technologov | I know about OSS def. vs. DFSG. |
| 05:41.46 | peterS | clerkent: yes, it's really just changing the name in sources.list |
| 05:42.04 | clerkent | literally ...correct ? |
| 05:42.15 | technologov | For me, a free software activist, is a man whom will not compromise to use proprietary software, unless he wants to create a Free Software replacement. |
| 05:42.55 | clerkent | all instances of stable or wutevers its called to testing or wheezey ? |
| 05:43.10 | peterS | yes |
| 05:43.28 | peterS | then 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get dist-upgrade'. or use aptitude if you prefer that. |
| 05:43.32 | clerkent | thanks for the confirmation peterS |
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| 05:43.53 | clerkent | yup |
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| 05:47.11 | clerkent | Xchat client doesnt seem to be apt-gettable . Which is a similar yet available substitute ? |
| 05:48.09 | chelz | anyone with experience printing to Mac OS X as a cups print server with cups "AuthType Basic" from debian clients with gnome? |
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| 05:48.40 | chelz | clerkent: http://packages.debian.org/xchat |
| 05:48.55 | clerkent | no kidding chelz ? |
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| 05:49.26 | chelz | clerkent: why can't you apt-get it? |
| 05:49.36 | chelz | also use aptitude |
| 05:49.50 | clerkent | said no package ..i capitalaised X |
| 05:50.06 | chelz | ah, ok then. don't do that |
| 05:50.16 | clerkent | I'll try again thanks |
| 05:50.16 | dwfreed | clerkent: All package names are in lowercase |
| 05:50.28 | clerkent | I'm learning thanks |
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| 05:55.23 | savr | do I need smbd installed on a server? |
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| 06:00.06 | chelz | savr: not if you don't plan to use samba for file sharing, printing, etc |
| 06:00.50 | savr | this is a web server |
| 06:01.06 | chelz | savr: then no |
| 06:01.10 | savr | why the hell would I be printing or file sharing |
| 06:01.17 | savr | apt-get remove samba |
| 06:01.35 | chelz | some people actually use samba to share file over the internet. horrible misuse, but i've heard about it happening. |
| 06:01.51 | chelz | usually it's a windows server though |
| 06:02.42 | lstarnes | my university's LAN uses it |
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| 06:03.14 | savr | what other junk can I remove? |
| 06:04.12 | chelz | savr: think less about what to remove and more what to add |
| 06:04.33 | chelz | start during the install and select *nothing* in tasksel |
| 06:04.40 | chelz | then add piece by piece what you need |
| 06:04.52 | mosno | isn't modern CIFS secure yet? |
| 06:05.03 | savr | umm I am on a fps with the host installed os |
| 06:05.08 | savr | vps |
| 06:05.12 | chelz | dunno about security but it's super unreliable and slow over not-lans |
| 06:05.24 | chelz | savr: can you reinstall? |
| 06:05.54 | savr | no |
| 06:06.06 | savr | only their images |
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| 06:08.41 | chelz | savr: in a terminal do tasksel --list-tasks | grep ^i |
| 06:09.38 | chelz | might say something like "print-server". put everything besides "openssh-server" in a list and put it after tasksel remove |
| 06:10.08 | chelz | tasksel remove print-server dns-server |
| 06:10.22 | chelz | or one at a time. i duno |
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| 06:12.25 | savr | ok thanks |
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| 06:14.43 | savr | haha don't have tasksel installed |
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| 06:15.55 | chelz | well you could install the version of debian they have locally and select nothing in the tasksel part, then get a list of packages from the server and remove everything that's not on the local list |
| 06:16.42 | savr | or I can google for that list |
| 06:16.56 | chelz | assuming it's out there |
| 06:16.56 | savr | debian install tasksel |
| 06:17.05 | savr | *portmap |
| 06:17.13 | chelz | i've looked for that kinda stuff before and people don't seem to post it for w/e reason |
| 06:17.14 | savr | I have no need for portmap |
| 06:17.49 | savr | shit |
| 06:18.10 | savr | removed the dns server and went from 90mb to 24mb |
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| 06:18.37 | savr | I think I need to list what is using up ram |
| 06:19.19 | savr | 24 with apache2 |
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| 06:20.58 | breedx | My unstable dist-upgrade (many months out of date) on Monday went south and now my netbook barfs pretty hard. "Mounting local filesystems failed". Need some suggestions. |
| 06:21.44 | breedx | during dist-upgrade there was a dependency/loop(???) problem with init scripts I think. |
| 06:21.49 | chelz | breedx: boot up a debian live, chroot, fix stuff |
| 06:22.06 | chelz | or if you have another partition, boot that then chroot |
| 06:22.10 | breedx | chelz: I can get a root shell. It's the "fix stuff" part. :) |
| 06:22.14 | chelz | aha |
| 06:22.50 | chelz | that's a good question. how to deal with a messy package situation. |
| 06:23.17 | chelz | specifically due to a failed upgrades of packages |
| 06:23.18 | breedx | I have to say, though, that in the 10ish years I've been on Debian this is probably one of maybe two total serious upgrade failures. |
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| 06:24.21 | larrikin_ | heh, I have login preventing issues all the time.. |
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| 06:25.14 | breedx | larrikin_: experimental vs. unstable maybe? |
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| 06:25.25 | nesusvet | Hello guys, I am going to create a deb package with dependences, but the problem is that I whish to install them after my packages will be installed. Can you help me to resolve this issue? |
| 06:25.40 | larrikin_ | breedx I'm on testing :) |
| 06:25.46 | breedx | larrikin_: woah |
| 06:25.54 | ^--^ | nesusvet |
| 06:26.00 | ^--^ | why would you install the dependancies after? |
| 06:26.09 | breedx | larrikin_: well clearly you're more aggressive (frequent) on upgrading. heh. |
| 06:26.11 | somiaj | nesusvet: by default any dependencies brought in via apt-get or aptitude are marked as 'automatic' and they can/will be removed with autoremove once the package is uninstalled. |
| 06:26.12 | ^--^ | the whole point is that they need to be there for the package to work |
| 06:26.24 | ^--^ | that's why their depends, and why they install first.. |
| 06:26.31 | chelz | yeah nesusvet those aren't dependencies |
| 06:26.45 | somiaj | nesusvet: or are you wanting to remove the -dev packages required to build it? |
| 06:26.56 | nesusvet | ^--^: beacuse I need to set up my config files before |
| 06:26.57 | larrikin_ | breedx debian package maints seem to care less about remote X connections and the associated problem of supporting an Xserver which is not in sync with whats available to Deb.. |
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| 06:27.59 | nesusvet | somiaj:Please kindly review the matter again. I need to install dependeses after. |
| 06:28.32 | somiaj | nesusvet: so you 'dpkg -i package.deb' but it couldn't install because of missing dependencies? You can try 'apt-get -f install' |
| 06:29.02 | ^--^ | there's a flag for depends |
| 06:29.13 | ^--^ | to ignore them, i forget it offhand tho |
| 06:29.31 | chelz | sounds more like the order should just be in a script |
| 06:29.53 | chelz | or have instructions about the order the deb files should be installed |
| 06:31.31 | nesusvet | somiaj: No, you don't unsterstand, sorry for my poor english. The problem is that i am making a deb package which should create my mysql settings firstly, and after to install mysql. I need that, in order to install specific settings, otherwise I will need to reconfigure mysql and to fix many files in the system. |
| 06:32.10 | nesusvet | chelz: Yeah, I thought about it also, and it seem there is only one way how I can do that :( |
| 06:32.14 | chelz | nesusvet: why can't that be in a script? |
| 06:32.15 | gesparza | Hi everyone! How would i tune the journal for writeback using 30 second intervals. i know i can use tune2fs but i still don't know how to do it exactly. Thanks for the help |
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| 06:32.52 | chelz | nesusvet: #!/bin/sh; dpkg -i yourstuff.deb; aptitude install mysql |
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| 06:33.36 | nesusvet | chelz: Yes, I will do that, I thought might be exist another way. |
| 06:33.39 | nesusvet | chelz: thanks |
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| 06:33.54 | chelz | nesusvet: deb files could technically be used to do what you want, but it's not a good idea |
| 06:34.18 | chelz | gesparza: that looks like a mount option so you might want to consider putting it in your fstab, if it's not an occasional thing |
| 06:34.58 | gesparza | ok Thanks chelz |
| 06:35.44 | nesusvet | chelz: Indeed, but there is only one rapidly way how I can deploy my servers fastly:) |
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| 06:37.29 | peterS | gesparza: yeah you want commit=30 in the fourth column of /etc/fstab |
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| 06:39.01 | breedx | ok, so I'm able to get a root shell and working network, dist-upgrade is bombing out with "insserv: There is a loop between service mountall and checkfs if started"[...etc...] |
| 06:39.37 | breedx | pretty sure that insserv/loop issue is what got me here originally. |
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| 06:40.01 | gesparza | Thank you peterS |
| 06:41.05 | peterS | breedx: that's odd. read the first few lines of /etc/init.d/checkfs.sh, particularly the line that begins with '# Required-Start:' |
| 06:41.20 | peterS | breedx: it should say '# Required-Start: checkroot' |
| 06:41.34 | breedx | peterS: it does |
| 06:42.52 | peterS | breedx: makes me wonder where the loop is then. /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh has 'Required-Start: mountdevsubfs hostname'. of those, hostname requires nothing, and mountdevsubfs has mountkernfs which has nothing |
| 06:42.56 | breedx | peterS: and /etc/init.d/mountall.sh Required-Start: checkfs |
| 06:43.05 | peterS | right, _that_ one is expected |
| 06:43.20 | peterS | the point is though, I don't see a loop. various things require various other things but nothing gets back to mountall |
| 06:44.08 | peterS | the only things that depend on mountall (in my /etc/init.d anyway) are mountall-bootclean and mountoverflowtmp |
| 06:44.32 | peterS | certainly checkfs should not depend on mountall, directly or indirectly. it does not on my system. |
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| 06:45.03 | peterS | oooh look it's Florence King |
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| 06:45.16 | peterS | (she used to write a column called "The Misanthrope's Corner") |
| 06:46.04 | breedx | Is there a word for names made from words? Cuz I friggin love those. |
| 06:46.28 | breedx | And there ought to be a word for those. |
| 06:46.43 | peterS | what, so you can have a child and name it that word? |
| 06:47.11 | breedx | hah! nope, already went there. :) |
| 06:49.59 | peterS | breedx: anyway what I would probably do is 'dpkg-reconfigure insserv' and disable the dependency-based boot. then finish the upgrade. then try to reenable it later, again with 'dpkg-reconfigure insserv' |
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| 06:50.36 | peterS | hmmm or maybe dpkg-reconfigure can't do that ... I'd have to check |
| 06:50.52 | breedx | peterS: yeah, dpkg-reconfigure insserv does nothing |
| 06:51.00 | breedx | (no prompts, no output) |
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| 06:51.14 | breedx | I'm trying to trace back the actual bootloop |
| 06:51.23 | chelz | is there a known way to print as another user? say like sudo for printing. somehow i need to appear as a certain user with a certain password to a cupsd |
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| 06:51.46 | peterS | breedx: ahh try dpkg-reconfigure -plow sysv-rc |
| 06:52.03 | breedx | blindly runs that command. ;) |
| 06:53.07 | peterS | chelz: this cupsd, is it on your local system or a remote system? |
| 06:53.07 | breedx | peterS: no output or prompts, dist-upgrade still failing in same way. |
| 06:53.25 | peterS | breedx: what are you upgrading from and to? |
| 06:53.50 | peterS | the dependency-based boot question should be in sysv-rc, it is on my system anyway |
| 06:53.55 | breedx | peterS: sid -> sid. heh. but it's old....at least 6 months, maybe more. |
| 06:54.11 | chelz | peterS: remote system. a local imac specifically. |
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| 06:54.47 | chelz | i'm trying to setup *some* kind of authentication and ideally i'd just like to make debian fit around whatever the mac wants |
| 06:55.11 | peterS | chelz: if you install 'cups' locally, then configure _it_ to spool to the remote cups server, instead of trying to just configure the cups _client_ to do so, I think it will do it as root |
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| 06:57.48 | breedx | peterS: thanks for the sysv-rc tip, I'm apt-get install --reinstall sysv-rc and it's cooking along....we'll see. |
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| 07:06.47 | breedx | peterS: thanks again for the troubleshooting tips, reinstalling sysv-rc got things upgraded and booting into x/kde again. |
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| 07:07.23 | peterS | breedx: awesome. we still don't know what actually happened there I guess. the one thing we do know is that you're dealing with debian unstable. so, well, it could've been anything (: |
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| 07:08.07 | breedx | peterS: yeah, fair enough. I understand the unstable risks and have had such great success with it. |
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| 07:09.18 | breedx | peterS: unstable gets a bad rap -- it mostly isn't unstable at all. |
| 07:09.30 | peterS | breedx: it generally works for me |
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| 07:10.39 | somiaj | I find I that there are little bugs after many upgrades I have to waste time fixing. Chromium 15 wasn't working last I checked here |
| 07:13.43 | chelz | breedx: how many of those 10 years have you run sid? |
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| 07:18.41 | technologov | bored huh ? read this |
| 07:18.43 | technologov | Microsoft Can Remotely Kill Purchased Apps |
| 07:18.44 | breedx | chelz: good question. I think in 2001 I was still dual booting win (for work), but by 2002 I was purely on debian, and for desktop work it was always debian, so I'd say nearly all of that 10 years. |
| 07:18.46 | technologov | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2397414,00.asp |
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| 07:19.38 | technologov | debian-sid for 10 years ? |
| 07:19.57 | chelz | breedx: what made you start with sid though? |
| 07:20.02 | breedx | chelz: I think I had a short moment in 2001 of "woah debian stable is slow to get stuff" (we've heard that before), so tried unstable and thought "Nice, this works fine and is modern, I'll try it." |
| 07:20.41 | breedx | chelz: I'm pretty sure I tried stable first, but then was disillusioned by the slowness (eg. not understanding what "stable" actually means). |
| 07:20.48 | breedx | stable takes time. |
| 07:20.56 | breedx | importantly so |
| 07:21.03 | peterS | there are many reasons to try sid. the real question is, why would you go back? a lot of us never found a reason to go back. |
| 07:21.25 | technologov | 'go back' ? to stable ? |
| 07:21.30 | peterS | right |
| 07:21.41 | chelz | i always figured it wouldn't boot on some random day |
| 07:21.46 | peterS | or to Fedora, or to Windows, or to Ubuntu.. |
| 07:21.50 | somiaj | yea I've been running sid for 10+ years here (my 32bit install is still my original install from then though its been copied to various harddrives/computers) |
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| 07:22.34 | technologov | somiaj, and how often does it breaks ? ^^ |
| 07:22.53 | technologov | (from broken dependencies to unable to boot into desktop) |
| 07:22.55 | chelz | somiaj: the rootkits you've picked up along the way thank you for that ;) |
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| 07:23.14 | somiaj | technologov: besides for little things that I have to fix now and then, it has never become unfunctional. |
| 07:23.46 | breedx | "unstable" is sadly the wrong name. It should be named "modernity" or "flavor" or something less discouraging |
| 07:24.15 | chelz | i've narrowed my problem down to the following, the cupsd error_log says: E [08/Dec/2011:23:20:17 -0800] Unable to encrypt connection from 192.168.1.2 - Cipher Suite negotiation failure (-9801) |
| 07:24.21 | technologov | well.. debian will prolly rename 'testing' into 'rolling' |
| 07:24.30 | chelz | breedx: they're working on that Constantly Usable Testing thing |
| 07:24.34 | technologov | Which should not scare people... |
| 07:24.36 | somiaj | na, unstable is a good name. I probabaly spend to much time fixing sid after upgrades, which eats into productivity. Luckly I'm a bumb who likes to play with things and figure it out. |
| 07:24.42 | chelz | technologov: eh is that the latest in terms of the discussion? |
| 07:24.57 | breedx | chelz: re: rootkits, um......yeah, unstable is a bad choice for a public facing server...and stable has had its fair share of problems. |
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| 07:25.21 | savr | well I'll be dammed |
| 07:25.28 | savr | peterS: uname -r |
| 07:25.29 | savr | 2.6.32-274.7.1.el5.028stab095.1 |
| 07:25.36 | somiaj | technologov: afiak, the standard stable/testing/unstable is not going to change. But they are working on ways of making a simirolling (month or so cycle) release with debian cut. |
| 07:25.47 | savr | this is after installing debian 6 from the control panel |
| 07:25.53 | peterS | savr: since debian 6.0 'squeeze' is based on 2.6.32, this ought to work fine |
| 07:26.05 | technologov | somiaj, + rename to 'rolling'. |
| 07:26.17 | breedx | chelz: How about "Constantly Usable Newer than Testing"? |
| 07:26.17 | chelz | savr: you supplied your own iso? |
| 07:26.28 | technologov | it will be like 'testing', but supported. |
| 07:26.34 | chelz | breedx: i don't know, just however many months ago it was being called CUT |
| 07:26.43 | savr | chelz: no the hosts iso |
| 07:26.48 | breedx | chelz: I was trying to inject an 'N' in there |
| 07:27.00 | breedx | humor fail |
| 07:27.01 | savr | I don't get how this openvz stuff works |
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| 07:27.12 | chelz | ah |
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| 07:27.34 | savr | ls /boot |
| 07:27.36 | savr | nothing |
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| 07:27.48 | chelz | born2troll: unsolicited PMs aren't appreciated |
| 07:28.03 | peterS | savr: with openvz you are not running your own kernel. thus there is no need for anything to "boot" |
| 07:28.37 | savr | yes but am I really running 2.6.32 |
| 07:28.42 | breedx | hmmm, my HOSTNAME var seems to have been borked after dist-upgrade |
| 07:28.48 | savr | and will the new libc work with it? |
| 07:28.55 | peterS | savr: you are running whatever kernel your host system is running. which is some centos kernel |
| 07:28.55 | technologov | 2.6.x-openvz is different animal. |
| 07:29.26 | savr | peterS: uname is saying something different this time |
| 07:29.39 | peterS | savr: your VPS provider probably moved you to a different physical host, then |
| 07:29.48 | savr | 2.6.32-274.7.1.el5.028stab095.1 |
| 07:29.56 | peterS | one that is running the kernel version you have now pasted twice |
| 07:30.01 | technologov | this is RHEL5 host (or CentOS5) |
| 07:30.04 | savr | very likely |
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| 07:30.21 | technologov | hmm ... ? 2.6.32 ? hmmm... |
| 07:30.24 | savr | since the last install was 32bit and this one is 64bit |
| 07:30.25 | technologov | strange |
| 07:30.37 | savr | but their control panel says I am on the same node |
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| 07:30.55 | peterS | who knows then. maybe they rebooted the 'same node' into a newer kernel, just for you |
| 07:31.03 | chelz | if they give you root you could probably repartition from your current install and bootstrap a new install in that new partition |
| 07:31.13 | chelz | root within the VM that is |
| 07:31.22 | peterS | chelz: yes but you still don't get to boot your own kernel |
| 07:31.22 | savr | peterS: nup. they told me I can update it myself |
| 07:31.38 | peterS | savr: if you can update the kernel yourself, then it isn't openvz |
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| 07:31.54 | chelz | peterS: oh. right. depending on the virt tech being used |
| 07:32.08 | chelz | i forget about paravirt vs fullvirt |
| 07:32.12 | peterS | chelz: he claims that his VPS provider is using openvz |
| 07:32.17 | savr | peterS: I know… |
| 07:32.26 | peterS | chelz: and this is not even paravirt |
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| 07:32.29 | savr | they advertise they are using openvz |
| 07:32.44 | chelz | peterS: isn't openvz paravirt? |
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| 07:33.11 | peterS | not last I heard. xen is paravirt. openvz is chroot plus restrictions on RAM and network |
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| 07:33.23 | savr | plus the control panel is a openvz one |
| 07:33.32 | technologov | I wrote a bit about OpenVZ and friends: |
| 07:33.32 | technologov | http://violtan.com/ae/virtualization.html |
| 07:33.34 | savr | solusvm |
| 07:34.34 | peterS | well, chroot but harder to escape from, presumably. (since root can trivially escape from a real chroot, and a VPS gives you root.) |
| 07:34.42 | chelz | peterS: huh, yeah quick google confirms that. interesting |
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| 07:35.39 | technologov | chelz, I recommend you read my article, to under-stand what para-virt is |
| 07:35.40 | breedx | so any idea why $HOSTNAME is set to 'unknown002185fxxxxx' instead of what's in /etc/hostname ? |
| 07:35.42 | peterS | virtualbox, qemu and kvm are I think what you'd call fullvirt |
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| 07:36.37 | dwfreed | peterS: yeah, I tried to break out of OpenVZ with a regular chroot breaker; it didn't work |
| 07:36.40 | peterS | breedx: what is 'cat /proc/sys/kernel/hostname' then? |
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| 07:37.39 | breedx | peterS: big unknown string |
| 07:37.47 | peterS | dwfreed: a regular chroot breaker? wow, a fancy name for int main(void) { mkdir("foo", 0777); chroot("foo"); chdir("../../../../../../../../../.."); chroot("."); execl("sh", "/bin/sh", 0); } |
| 07:38.24 | peterS | (untested - I just typed that, I didn't paste it from anywhere) |
| 07:38.56 | dwfreed | peterS: yeah, mine was a little more fancy than that (I wrote it from code I found on the first result for break out of chroot on google) |
| 07:39.02 | savr | this born2troll fellow is quiet interesting |
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| 07:39.34 | peterS | dwfreed: those steps in my little one-line C program should work, anyway. wouldn't _need_ to be any fancier |
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| 07:41.09 | peterS | the chroot("foo") sets your root _inside_ your current working directory. which puts your current directory _outside_ the chroot. from there, the chdir("../../../../../../../../../..") does not cross a chroot boundary as it moves up to the _real_ root of the filesystem (10 levels of .. is usually enough, but add more if you need them) |
| 07:41.22 | peterS | at that point your working directory should be at the real root, then chroot(".") finishes the job |
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| 07:41.47 | peterS | then execl("sh","/bin/sh",0) actually lets you do something useful with it |
| 07:42.04 | chelz | savr: most clients you can set to ignore |
| 07:42.08 | savr | http://pastebin.com/nadtd5Ce |
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| 07:47.38 | egoga | Hello |
| 07:47.41 | egoga | Anyone here? |
| 07:48.03 | chelz | egoga: ask your question plz |
| 07:48.31 | egoga | On http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers, it says VERSION "-legacy-17x-xx". What file do I set this "version" in? |
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| 07:49.07 | chelz | egoga: in your terminal |
| 07:49.11 | egoga | So I type |
| 07:49.23 | chelz | VERSION="-legacy-96xx" |
| 07:49.27 | chelz | (no spaces) |
| 07:49.27 | egoga | export VERSION="-legacy-96xx" |
| 07:49.34 | chelz | sure, export doesn't really matter |
| 07:49.42 | egoga | Oh so it's an environment variable |
| 07:49.47 | chelz | it will only be for that bash session. it will go away when you close it. |
| 07:49.47 | chelz | yes |
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| 07:50.10 | egoga | Does the new 290.10 driver support 173.xx (it says it does) |
| 07:50.21 | chelz | i say try and see :) |
| 07:50.30 | egoga | what I need to do is start up the 290.10 kernel and X server |
| 07:50.58 | egoga | for the most part, it hasn't been working. I compiled all the kernel .o files, but didn't make a new one, nor am I booting from the new one. I'm booting from the one in /boot/vmlinuz |
| 07:51.40 | egoga | What should I do to get it working? |
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| 07:52.49 | egoga | zBye |
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| 07:55.55 | peterS | born2troll: if you're wondering why you have no voice here, it's probably because of the stupid link you posted to #debian @ oftc on 29 November |
| 07:56.21 | peterS | or, if not you, someone using your IP address |
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| 08:11.38 | born2troll | thx for voice again |
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| 08:27.48 | ali3n0 | hi folks, is there a way to tell aptitude not to stop+start a service when installing updates? |
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| 08:31.41 | peterS | ali3n0: not really, that's more of a package matter, not an apt/aptitude matter |
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| 08:32.15 | peterS | ali3n0: it's possible in certain environments to override daemon start/stop actions entirely, but I don't think it's all that flexible |
| 08:32.17 | ali3n0 | peterS: ok tnx |
| 08:32.36 | ali3n0 | I like those packages that use /etc/defaults/package |
| 08:32.38 | Mr_Queue | peterS: That has been a pain for a lot of people in the past.. |
| 08:32.39 | ali3n0 | to avoid this |
| 08:32.58 | Mr_Queue | erry: ali3n0 ^^ 2 lines. |
| 08:33.06 | Mr_Queue | wth... |
| 08:33.15 | peterS | come to think of it, maybe you _could_ reconfigure invoke-rc.d before running aptitude and restore its config afterward.. |
| 08:33.18 | Mr_Queue | erry: disregard. |
| 08:33.45 | peterS | if you really don't want to restart a service just because you've upgraded it. (but why wouldn't you? you upgraded it, don't you want to run the new one?) |
| 08:34.19 | peterS | certain services won't even continue to work correctly if you replace all their files with a different version |
| 08:34.33 | peterS | other services will run fine until you restart them |
| 08:35.03 | peterS | but in general, it's assumed that you are upgrading in a maintenance window and can tolerate a bit of downtime to restart things |
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| 08:38.05 | born2troll | someone know a good "painkiller" for all the videos i cant watch with gnash that dont makes a security vunerability (or at least not a big) |
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| 08:40.20 | Vasistha | born2troll: I use youtube-dl, vimeo downloader, or look at page sources to find video urls to download, and play them with mplayer. If that doesn't work I give up. |
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| 08:53.22 | born2troll | i have enabled squeeze backports and updated after. how do i update to the gajim backport version now? how do i keep gajim up to date after? |
| 08:53.55 | amee2k | <3 downloadhelper plugin for firefox |
| 08:54.37 | born2troll | amee2k does it exist for iceweasle too? |
| 08:55.15 | amee2k | last time i checked iceweasel was firefox + license fapping |
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| 09:00.48 | nutron | xfontsel doesn't seem to allow me to select what I actually think I have available on my system. ie. msttcorefonts are installed but I cannot select Arial 72 point etc. I am unfamiliar with the current font system in deb, can anyone tell me where I'm going wrong? Or is xfontsel hosed, or inappropriate? |
| 09:02.15 | Vasistha | xfontsel has never worked all that well for me |
| 09:03.02 | nutron | Aye, old cruft, but seems to be the only way I can id fonts for certain programs... |
| 09:03.50 | ham5 | when i open a file as root and save it, it changes the file ownership to root, how do i keep the permissions in tact, but still be able to edit as root? |
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| 09:05.04 | somiaj | ham5: what are you using to open/close the file? |
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| 09:07.48 | ham5 | gedit over sftp |
| 09:07.52 | Trewas | nutron: fc-list and other fc-* commands are used to check what truetype fonts are available |
| 09:07.54 | ham5 | pretty sure nano does it too |
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| 09:08.30 | amee2k | i'd point at the sftp layer then |
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| 09:09.20 | amee2k | it probably has to delete the file on the remote site and recreate it |
| 09:10.01 | amee2k | because i know for a fact that at least my gedit doesn't do that |
| 09:10.02 | somiaj | ham5: works as expected here. I'm expecting the editing is done on a tempoary file on the client then uploaded via sftp, and the copy is what changes the permissions. |
| 09:10.13 | nutron | Trewas: ahh thank you. |
| 09:10.32 | somiaj | ham5: so you aren't really editing for the file, you are copying a new version of the file to the server. |
| 09:10.42 | amee2k | most likely |
| 09:11.08 | amee2k | remote file access may or may not be slow, so caching it locally for editing would make sense |
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| 09:11.37 | Vasistha | if you use ssh and nano then I expect it shouldn't be a problem |
| 09:11.48 | amee2k | or at least sftp for some reason doesn't update the contents properly and just deletes the file and creates a new one |
| 09:12.06 | amee2k | what Vasistha said :) |
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| 09:12.50 | somiaj | amee2k: I'm guessing it uploads with the primisions as set up by its defaults which you can change. Once of which the owner. |
| 09:13.43 | amee2k | creating a file is pretty much the same, whether or not there previously was one by the same name a split second earlier |
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| 09:14.06 | amee2k | so it is created for the user you are logged in with, and the normal umask scheme for determining default permissions applies |
| 09:15.16 | amee2k | since only root can chown anyway usually, it doesn't make much sense to attempt that after uploading a new file to duplicate the old file's ownership |
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| 09:16.58 | Iridos | copying over scp/sftp on a file with the same name should also overwrite it, not recreate it |
| 09:18.21 | Iridos | you'd only get that if the original was moved out of the way before to some temporary/backup file |
| 09:19.56 | amee2k | yeah, thats why i suspect for some reason the file is deleted and recreated explicitly |
| 09:20.13 | amee2k | i wouldn't expect that to be intentionally, really. probably just an oversight by someone and a side effect of some caching attempt |
| 09:20.24 | Iridos | what exactly is he using that gives that behavior? |
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| 09:21.34 | amee2k | apparently he tried gedit and nano, so it seems to be an issue with the sftp file system (probably gvfs, no?) |
| 09:21.43 | Iridos | the first line after I joined on this topic was "<ham5> gedit over sftp" and that'S not very clear |
| 09:21.55 | amee2k | somiaj: anyway, if you have sftp/ssh access, ssh in and run nano or some other editor on the remote host and you should get the expected behaviour |
| 09:22.51 | amee2k | err, ham5 |
| 09:22.54 | somiaj | amee2k: it wasn't my issue. Though I would ssh/sftp as root anyways. |
| 09:22.59 | amee2k | wrong nick :) |
| 09:23.01 | somiaj | s/would/wouldn't/ |
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| 09:23.49 | amee2k | yeah, i confused you with ham there. sorry :) |
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| 09:25.02 | Iridos | seems he's gorn anyway |
| 09:25.08 | amee2k | idly puts frostschutz in his car |
| 09:25.11 | amee2k | \o/ |
| 09:26.53 | Iridos | ham5, did you mean sshfs? |
| 09:27.51 | ham5 | sftp, yes nano works as expected its only gedit |
| 09:28.10 | Iridos | how can you edit "over sftp" |
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| 09:28.44 | amee2k | sftp filesystem? |
| 09:28.58 | amee2k | gvfs lets you mount sftp shares |
| 09:28.58 | ham5 | isent that the term? I open the file with gedit, its actually on another box |
| 09:29.10 | ham5 | yes |
| 09:29.26 | ham5 | i looked threw the sshd config for something |
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| 09:30.10 | amee2k | ssh has nothing to do with that permission issue i'd say |
| 09:30.15 | Iridos | looks up gvfs |
| 09:30.17 | Iridos | aargh, gnome |
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| 09:30.45 | amee2k | if any the sftp layer, but gedit does it right on local files so its not gedit's fault |
| 09:31.35 | amee2k | lol gnome |
| 09:32.14 | amee2k | gonna have a limp c**k now for a week because you had to look upon something touched by the gnome? |
| 09:32.31 | Iridos | no |
| 09:32.47 | amee2k | :) |
| 09:32.51 | Iridos | but I'm not very astonished now |
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| 09:33.19 | Iridos | kde/gnome have the habit of re-implementing everything for their own purposes, often badly |
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| 09:34.20 | amee2k | reimplementations are like remakes... nothing like there real shit |
| 09:34.34 | ham5 | well it has to be something in the bashrc or such because it only does it on one box |
| 09:34.44 | ham5 | i tryed the same thing on another box and it retained permissions |
| 09:34.55 | Iridos | try using sshfs instead |
| 09:35.23 | ham5 | both debian 6 |
| 09:35.29 | Iridos | actually... gnome doesn't give me the option "sftp" |
| 09:35.35 | Iridos | only says "SSH" |
| 09:36.00 | Iridos | then ftp (with login) and public ftp etc. etc. |
| 09:36.00 | amee2k | sftp runs on top of ssh ;) |
| 09:36.09 | Iridos | I know |
| 09:36.32 | Iridos | trying to reproduce what he did |
| 09:37.30 | ham5 | it was the umask 022 in /root/.bashrc |
| 09:37.37 | ham5 | thanks guys ;) |
| 09:38.09 | amee2k | you're welcome :) |
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| 09:38.57 | ham5 | just a general question, why would someone want more then 1 ip for a host box? |
| 09:39.30 | amee2k | to connect to two networks at the same time? |
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| 09:40.00 | ham5 | public ip's |
| 09:40.12 | amee2k | my desktop is connected to a wired LAN under my desk and a shitty wlan at the same time right now. with different IPs on both |
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| 09:42.18 | sephii | Is there a dpkg command to show the debian/changelog file of a .deb file? |
| 09:42.41 | nsadmin | man dpkg |
| 09:42.42 | nsadmin | and |
| 09:42.43 | nsadmin | see |
| 09:42.44 | epsilon | ham5: virtual host with own IP, Apache Webserver VHost with own IP/Host... |
| 09:42.44 | ham5 | dpkg-parsechangelog ? |
| 09:43.22 | sephii | nsadmin: I found stuff about control files and extracting files but I only want to look at the changelog without extracting the whole package |
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| 09:44.07 | nsadmin | sephii, so you didn't find it in the man page? |
| 09:44.51 | sephii | nsadmin: nope |
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| 09:45.44 | Iridos | sephii, no, but aptitude changelog |
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| 09:47.37 | sephii | Iridos: as far as I can see it can only display the changelog of installed packages right? I'd like to see the changelog of a .deb archive |
| 09:47.38 | nsadmin | use ar p <debfile> control.tar.gz | tar xfz - |
| 09:47.50 | Iridos | sephii, no, fetches from repo |
| 09:48.03 | nsadmin | this will give you everything in the control tarball |
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| 09:48.21 | nsadmin | nothing I saw in man tar could select and print a file |
| 09:48.30 | sephii | Iridos: the package doesn't come from a repo :/ |
| 09:48.35 | Iridos | hehe, I was going to suggest something like that... but more like |
| 09:48.54 | sephii | np, I'll do it the extracting way, thanks for your help |
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| 09:49.15 | barthe | hello |
| 09:49.26 | nsadmin | if you make a dir for the extracting, put the .deb in there |
| 09:49.39 | nsadmin | then do ar x <tab> <enter> |
| 09:49.57 | nsadmin | you'll get two tarballs and a text file shorter than its name |
| 09:50.30 | nsadmin | the data one might have the changelog |
| 09:50.48 | nsadmin | it might not be the control one as I originally thought |
| 09:50.51 | Iridos | err |
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| 09:51.07 | barthe | its possible with pure-ftpd to connect with user of Active Directory? |
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| 09:53.25 | skilz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:53.51 | nsadmin | what does minecraft do |
| 09:54.33 | nsadmin | and, you should also search google while you're here |
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| 09:54.50 | nsadmin | and possibly packages.debian.org |
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| 09:56.22 | Iridos | sephii, ar p $package*deb data.tar.gz |tar -xzOf - ./usr/share/doc/$package/changelog.Debian.gz |gunzip |less |
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| 09:57.23 | Iridos | set package to the basename of the package |
| 09:57.26 | simonlnu | or just pipe it directly to zless |
| 09:57.28 | Iridos | hm, actually |
| 09:58.06 | simonlnu | look at what apt-listchanges does ;) |
| 09:58.28 | Iridos | simonlnu, <sephii> Iridos: the package doesn't come from a repo :/ |
| 09:58.42 | Iridos | actually, better yet |
| 09:58.50 | Iridos | ar p $package*deb data.tar.gz |tar --wildcards -xzOf - './usr/share/doc/*/changelog.Debian.gz' |gunzip |less |
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| 09:59.41 | Iridos | simonlnu, ha, you're right... that can also take a .deb |
| 09:59.43 | simonlnu | yes i know. you misunderstood me. look at what apt-listchanges does to unpack and display the changelogs. |
| 09:59.44 | Iridos | we live and learn |
| 09:59.57 | simonlnu | ...or use it directly |
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| 10:00.40 | simonlnu | (why reinvent the wheel possibly making a square one when a round one works) |
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| 10:01.09 | Iridos | well |
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| 10:01.25 | Morgawr | question: I finally finished compiling a general purpose kernel (http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage from this), it says it finished compilinga .deb package of linux-image-whatever... where do I find my kernel now? |
| 10:01.31 | Iridos | you might need a square wheel if you got a street that looks like this: \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ |
| 10:01.32 | Iridos | ;) |
| 10:01.34 | simonlnu | nonetheless good exercise figuring it out :) |
| 10:01.44 | simonlnu | hehe |
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| 10:02.23 | Iridos | Morgawr, what do you mean "find" |
| 10:03.08 | simonlnu | Morgawr: in .. from where the source is |
| 10:03.10 | Morgawr | Iridos: where is my kernel? I mean, I finished compiling it, how do I start using it? I compiled a few kernels on Gentoo and usually it's a bzImage I need to use, however this time the process said it created a .deb or something |
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| 10:03.30 | Morgawr | ah wait simonlnu, you're right.. found it |
| 10:03.42 | Morgawr | do I need to dpkg -i linux-image-whatever.deb to use it? |
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| 10:03.53 | simonlnu | yes |
| 10:03.56 | nsadmin | use how? |
| 10:03.58 | Iridos | Morgawr, you just install the package with dpkg -i package |
| 10:03.59 | Morgawr | perfect, thanks |
| 10:04.29 | simonlnu | use it by booting the os with it loaded :P |
| 10:04.39 | Morgawr | I got it that far haha :D |
| 10:04.57 | Morgawr | ( hope ) |
| 10:05.00 | Morgawr | I hope* |
| 10:05.20 | nsadmin | that installs it if that's what you mean |
| 10:05.42 | Morgawr | yay it runs :) |
| 10:05.50 | simonlnu | i'll use the kernel to polish my shoes with |
| 10:05.59 | nsadmin | it shouldn;t remove other kernels so if the one you installed isn't working you can boot another |
| 10:06.41 | Morgawr | nsadmin: yeah, I'm not completely oblivious to kernel compiling... The problem is that debian's is a bit different from other kernels I tried in the past (gentoo) |
| 10:06.50 | Morgawr | and sometimes I'm a bit confused |
| 10:07.25 | nsadmin | well the one difference is that debian has a script that compiles kernels and then packages the result |
| 10:08.04 | simonlnu | packs the whole thing up into a neat little package |
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| 10:09.08 | Aditya_ | ahoy landlubbers... |
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| 10:09.23 | nsadmin | lubb |
| 10:09.26 | nsadmin | lubb lubb |
| 10:09.33 | tnnucc | ciao |
| 10:09.35 | tnnucc | !list |
| 10:09.36 | dpkg | tnnucc: e possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero con http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 10:10.22 | tnnucc | !film |
| 10:10.26 | nsadmin | tnnucc, see: packages.debian.org for a (searchable) list of something |
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| 10:10.40 | simonlnu | tnnucc: no warez here. just debian ;). |
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| 10:11.40 | Vasistha | is dpkg seriously smart enough to speak to him in Italian because he said ciao? |
| 10:12.00 | Morgawr | lol yeah, I was wondering that again |
| 10:12.03 | Morgawr | !list |
| 10:12.03 | dpkg | morgawr: e possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero con http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 10:12.09 | Vasistha | uhm |
| 10:12.13 | Morgawr | I guess it detects nationality |
| 10:12.15 | Morgawr | (I'm italian too) |
| 10:12.19 | Vasistha | !list |
| 10:12.19 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 10:12.20 | Iridos | that's more something for #debian-offtopic |
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| 10:12.40 | simonlnu | Vasistha: no, just the most common people who use !list have been .it |
| 10:12.43 | tapout | anyone ever had a bad power supply kill the gpu/motherboard/ram ... all in the same computer? I can't believe this. |
| 10:12.46 | nsadmin | hu huhuhu huhuhuhuhu huhu he saud ciao huhu huhu huhuhu |
| 10:12.47 | Iridos | and if you want to keep playing with the bot, you can do it in /msg |
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| 10:13.02 | Vasistha | tapout: I can believe that would happen |
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| 10:13.16 | tapout | Vasistha, would it be from under powering or overpowering? |
| 10:13.20 | tapout | or combo of both? |
| 10:13.28 | dokma | is there any way to pause `watch` ?? |
| 10:13.36 | Vasistha | tapout: I don't think I've ever been so lucky ... oh but I have a friend who lost them to ... well I dunno why they died |
| 10:13.40 | tapout | ^q and ^s ? |
| 10:13.57 | Vasistha | tapout: a power surge can destroy sensitive electronics |
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| 10:14.24 | nsadmin | to pause a watch, make springs less effective or talk to father time |
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| 10:15.06 | egoga | anyone have |
| 10:15.13 | egoga | do people here answer questions? |
| 10:15.26 | nsadmin | no |
| 10:15.32 | nsadmin | oops, I did answer one |
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| 10:15.40 | Morgawr | damn it nsadmin, now what do we do? |
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| 10:15.46 | egoga | okay |
| 10:15.49 | batouzo | fines nsadmin 100 |
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| 10:16.05 | nsadmin | fine! |
| 10:16.25 | Vasistha | !tell egoga about ask |
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| 10:17.08 | nsadmin | egoga seriously... people do answer questions about debian here |
| 10:17.14 | kalleth | heya, if i do an 'echo' from within an init.d script on boot, where will that line appear in the various log files? |
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| 10:17.54 | egoga | I wanted to ask how I could get the new 290.10 kernel modules and such to work with -legacy-173.xx in Nvidia |
| 10:17.57 | egoga | no one is answering my question |
| 10:17.59 | egoga | I tried setting VERSION="-legacy-173.xx" as in http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 10:18.02 | egoga | I'm talking about debian, not a generic question |
| 10:18.29 | egoga | I have a problem with nvidia legacy. |
| 10:19.12 | egoga | maybe I should go |
| 10:19.17 | egoga | wOvGSuE? pK@md)W ER[5%Y< w]|~*&] .CvspzU oaoI@2 zx+~8Z, |
| 10:19.22 | egoga | F}R@ue*; Gn2.`!sY [P.H,5+] P+\PKcO- qj-1AdT; `w)q6$tD !uHe%M[| |
| 10:19.27 | egoga | ,T#a>h *VGD Tb@ S*:&?IG) wU(|fEO@ %i$u|YNi ~Sjcps3 ->hP#v |
| 10:19.32 | egoga | >LY]"|FB gR<OwUxl rxvx:%I` _n/mkqJ kL\bzn $1w0KD'~ mjk}r#K) |
| 10:19.37 | egoga | ]YmZV<mj O(ka)#{9 'o?D-nux A"z@y|k aWvxp1GA Y9pd^L^ #AXG@e^A |
| 10:19.42 | egoga | Terminated |
| 10:19.45 | egoga | well, anyone here? |
| 10:19.52 | egoga | or is it a bunch of people from 3rd world countriesa |
| 10:19.58 | Morgawr | what |
| 10:19.59 | nsadmin | I haven't dealt with nvidia in awhile |
| 10:20.00 | petemc | !ops egoga |
| 10:20.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: petemc complains about: egoga |
| 10:20.04 | egoga | Damn assholes don't want to answer questions! |
| 10:20.08 | egoga | no one is answering my question |
| 10:20.14 | egoga | I wanted to ask how I could get the new 290.10 kernel modules and such to work with -legacy-173.xx in Nvidia |
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| 10:20.25 | egoga | but if I ask, it'll just me like "turn my head the other way" |
| 10:20.30 | egoga | some third worlder from 94.54.*.* |
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| 10:20.49 | petemc | thanks |
| 10:20.52 | Hotwired | what could cause "mkdir: cannot create directory `/scratch/sac5ejh': Permission denied" on a dir that is chmoded 777 |
| 10:20.54 | peterS | pasting line noise into the channel is _not_ a good strategy for getting better help, btw |
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| 10:21.02 | peterS | I know it might seem like a good idea, but it really isn't |
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| 10:21.35 | nsadmin | you mean /screatch is 777? |
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| 10:22.36 | Hotwired | nsadmin: its actually trying to create /scratch/sac5ejh/<some dir>, /scratch/sac5ejh is 777ed |
| 10:23.03 | nsadmin | egoga, btw I am aware you've been around trying to find out about the nvidia stuff for like 2 weeks or so |
| 10:23.18 | Iridos | yeah, right... I always look at the IP, then call the CIA to do a background check on the guy, so that I don't answer questions of lowly third-worlders |
| 10:23.51 | Morgawr | that's why I usually go by a proxy in here... |
| 10:24.12 | nsadmin | you -only- call the cia?! I always call Piper Perabo |
| 10:24.24 | Iridos | Morgawr, that's why I also call the cia :P |
| 10:24.31 | Morgawr | :D |
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| 10:25.25 | nsadmin | hylee, lolee |
| 10:26.20 | nsadmin | she never says yes to our date... |
| 10:26.39 | Hotwired | nsadmin: any ideas on my problem? |
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| 10:26.53 | nsadmin | !any ideas? |
| 10:26.53 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of ground beef, a little sauerkraut, and a handful of starving ostriches. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
| 10:27.43 | nsadmin | Hotwired, when you type mount |
| 10:27.48 | nsadmin | (no args) |
| 10:28.06 | nsadmin | does it for example show anything mounted on /scratch? |
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| 10:29.30 | Juozapas | hi can u recommend some cli login manager ? |
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| 10:29.50 | nsadmin | show the one line output of ls -ld /scratch |
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| 10:31.20 | nsadmin | what's a login manager? |
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| 10:35.52 | Hotwired | nsadmin: yes, 172.16.0.1@tcp:arccacluster1@tcp:/scratch on /scratch type lustre (rw,user_xattr,acl,flock) |
| 10:37.17 | nsadmin | ok, so the reason you're getting permissing denied is the filesystem is actually on another machine and something on that machine has decided to deny |
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| 10:38.54 | Hotwired | nsadmin: hrm, so its a lustre problem then? |
| 10:40.12 | nsadmin | dunno :) what's a lustre? |
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| 10:43.55 | nsadmin | all I know is /scratch is a mount point for a networked filesystem of some kind or another |
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| 10:45.25 | nsadmin | perhaps a hint at what -could- be happening is the requested capabilities shown on that mount line in the parens: (rw,user_xattr,acl,flock) |
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| 10:45.54 | nsadmin | acl means the resource could be using access control lists |
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| 10:47.14 | Iridos | Hotwired, he already said... the remove machine seems to use acls, which are a more fine-grained type of access control than unix permissions... and so you're probably denied access, but the system isn't smart enough to represent that in unix permissions for you |
| 10:47.24 | Iridos | ha, beat me to it |
| 10:48.01 | Iridos | wtf are user_xattr s |
| 10:48.34 | Iridos | ah... ext attributes via net |
| 10:48.51 | Hotwired | thanks guys. Sounds like there's nodes with bad config. I'll maon at the sys admins |
| 10:49.00 | Iridos | that would be the other thing that could disallow you access... try lsattr on the dir to see |
| 10:50.05 | Hotwired | http://pastebin.com/d4EfHsdk |
| 10:50.10 | Hotwired | a big load of ----------- |
| 10:51.04 | Iridos | that'S normal... I thought just on the dir :) |
| 10:53.12 | Hotwired | ----------I-- /scratch/sac5ejh |
| 10:53.39 | Iridos | ha |
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| 10:55.17 | Iridos | guess that's normal, too... The 'I' attribute is used by the htree code to indicate that a directory is being indexed using hashed trees. It may not be set or reset using chattr(1), although it can be displayed by lsattr(1). |
| 10:57.04 | Hotwired | i think the basic problem is that the people who run this cluster are complete retards w |
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| 11:01.54 | converge | there is a way to discover all the ip address of my local network ? |
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| 11:02.09 | flash__ | converge, "arp" is probably what oyu want |
| 11:02.23 | Cozminsky | converge: nmao |
| 11:02.27 | flash__ | converge, also pingscanning with nmap |
| 11:02.30 | Cozminsky | converge: nmap even |
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| 11:03.02 | Cozminsky | arp will only get you the people you've spoken too or who've made broadcast requests you've seen |
| 11:03.09 | Cozminsky | to even |
| 11:03.10 | converge | flash__: i tried with arp -a but i just got 2 ip address i have 6 in total |
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| 11:08.49 | flash__ | converge, then try: "nmap -sP 192.168.*.*" or whatever your subnet is |
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| 11:09.11 | flash__ | pings every address and reports hits |
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| 11:12.01 | converge | flash__, Cozminsky, thanks |
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| 11:15.25 | rep | hey guys - how can one suppress the automatic installation of virtualbox-ose related modules when installing squeeze in a VM in virtualbox? |
| 11:15.34 | rep | there's no questions asked / feedback in the installer |
| 11:15.45 | rep | they get autoinstalled if the machine runs inside virtualbox :( |
| 11:15.58 | rep | expert install maybe? |
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| 11:18.37 | nkuttler | rep: can't you just remove them after install? |
| 11:19.01 | nkuttler | rep: #debian-boot @ oftc might also know more |
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| 11:19.50 | rep | nkuttler: leaves behind the stuff in the filesystem image - if i care to create a minimal VM this is not that pretty :/ |
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| 11:36.37 | qckheavy | how can i see the mail in queue to be send? |
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| 11:39.14 | HIDeHo | hi what driver do i need for |
| 11:39.28 | HIDeHo | Graphics: Card nVidia C67 [GeForce 7000M / nForce 610M] X.Org 1.10.4 Res: 1024x768@59.9hz, 1024x768@50.0hz |
| 11:39.28 | HIDeHo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:40.41 | nkuttler | HIDeHo: xorg is pretty good at picking a driver for you. |
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| 11:41.09 | HIDeHo | nkuttler: you suggest using the default |
| 11:41.09 | nkuttler | qckheavy: check /var/spool/ |
| 11:41.29 | HIDeHo | and not to worry about 3d |
| 11:41.31 | nkuttler | HIDeHo: is there anything wrong with it? |
| 11:41.39 | nkuttler | !tell HIDeHo about nvidia |
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| 11:41.53 | HIDeHo | cant run compiz either that or i dont know how to start using it |
| 11:42.26 | nkuttler | HIDeHo: read what the bot just told you. |
| 11:43.14 | HIDeHo | i did so what to do go to channel #nvidia |
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| 11:43.39 | nkuttler | HIDeHo: check the debian wiki.. |
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| 11:43.55 | HIDeHo | nkuttler: ok so thats fine. |
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| 11:45.30 | Johannes` | hi, I'm using Debian 5 on PPC, but a lot of packages are missing "404 Not Found" on the default mirror (mirrors.kernel.org) |
| 11:45.56 | Johannes` | what mirror should i change to/how? |
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| 11:46.17 | stockholm | did you try to do a aptitude update? |
| 11:46.32 | Johannes` | I don't have aptitude, but I did apt-get update yeah |
| 11:46.34 | Johannes` | it works fine |
| 11:46.40 | HIDeHo | !tell HIDeHo about compiz |
| 11:46.46 | Johannes` | but still many packages are missing |
| 11:46.55 | stockholm | ok |
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| 11:49.52 | HIDeHo | can i configure dual screen without any graphics for my nvidia |
| 11:50.47 | ectospasm | I would think not. |
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| 11:51.03 | ectospasm | maybe you can do it with xinerama |
| 11:51.16 | ectospasm | ...but what do you mean "without any graphics?" |
| 11:51.22 | ectospasm | HIDeHo: ^ |
| 11:51.23 | Agiofws | thunderbird or icedove use Pulseaudio right ? |
| 11:51.32 | Agiofws | can i change that ? |
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| 11:51.43 | HIDeHo | ectospasm: i thought that was included in the graphics driver. it is in ubuntu |
| 11:51.59 | Agiofws | now and then pulseaudio freezes and goes into a loop which i have to kill for it to work.. again can anyone help me ? |
| 11:52.01 | ectospasm | HIDeHo: this is #debian. Go to #ubuntu for help |
| 11:52.13 | HIDeHo | ectospasm: the drivers fir my card ii clearly mentioned what tye ^ |
| 11:52.20 | ectospasm | HIDeHo: this is #debian. Go to #ubuntu for help |
| 11:52.53 | HIDeHo | ectospasm: man i am on debian shesh calm down |
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| 11:53.08 | ectospasm | HIDeHo: you said ubuntu |
| 11:53.19 | HIDeHo | i will not go to #ubuntu when i am using #debian |
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| 11:53.53 | HIDeHo | ecc: read i said like in ubuntu os |
| 11:54.09 | nkuttler | HIDeHo: just install the nvidia driver. i pointed you to the docs |
| 11:54.10 | ectospasm | HIDeHo: are you using the nonfree driver in Debian? |
| 11:54.19 | HIDeHo | ecc: read what i said again |
| 11:54.34 | HIDeHo | nkuttler: what one man there are many |
| 11:54.38 | nkuttler | HIDeHo: many what? |
| 11:54.41 | HIDeHo | i am not using any driver atm |
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| 11:54.51 | ectospasm | HIDeHo: I doubt that |
| 11:55.00 | HIDeHo | nkuttler: in synaptic there are many drivers for nvidia take a look |
| 11:55.10 | nkuttler | HIDeHo: i told you to check the wiki. bye |
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| 11:55.22 | HIDeHo | ecc: its the default one. |
| 11:55.31 | HIDeHo | its ok i will go an dfigure it out myself |
| 11:55.32 | ectospasm | HIDeHo: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 11:55.40 | HIDeHo | seems liek you dont get em in here. |
| 11:56.01 | HIDeHo | thanks ectospasm thas more like it |
| 11:56.33 | ectospasm | HIDeHo: I just googled "debian nvidia" |
| 11:56.51 | ectospasm | first hit. If I was feeling lucky... |
| 11:58.26 | HIDeHo | ok ok point thansk all |
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| 11:59.12 | Mr_Queue | anyone getting slick with ipv6? |
| 11:59.33 | ectospasm | not I (yet). It's on my todo list for 2012 |
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| 11:59.59 | Mr_Queue | ectospasm: same here... latest DC gave me a /64 like they were sorry.. |
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| 12:00.57 | Mr_Queue | I was like... hummm... That's a massive number.. a for loop would take a decade to run address by address.. |
| 12:01.39 | ectospasm | Since my ISP doesn't offer IPv6 (that I know of, haven't investigated), I'd have to tunnel it through IPv4. I know it's done *a lot*, but it seems less trivial than I have time to play with right now. |
| 12:01.39 | Mr_Queue | I dunno.. Haven't figured it out yet.. Can't be too hard. I just think most people aren't using it. |
| 12:02.15 | Mr_Queue | What's after trillion? |
| 12:02.21 | ectospasm | quadrillion |
| 12:02.33 | Mr_Queue | Well I have 18.5 of ^^^^ |
| 12:02.48 | ectospasm | yep, sounds like IPv6 |
| 12:02.53 | Mr_Queue | Hello spam and each mail has it's own IP address.. |
| 12:03.36 | Mr_Queue | I'm not kidding... A /64 of ipv6 is a MASSIVE number.. I could give you 1 billion and barely notice. |
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| 12:06.44 | frostschutz | yup, we're already running out of ipv6 before it even started :) |
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| 12:19.18 | Jovlang | now i'm trying 6 |
| 12:19.20 | Jovlang | Err http://mirrors.kernel.org squeeze/main whiptail 0.52.11-1 404 Not Found |
| 12:19.22 | Jovlang | etc etc |
| 12:19.31 | Jovlang | about half of the packages are "not found" |
| 12:19.34 | Jovlang | just did update |
| 12:20.02 | Jovlang | on ppc |
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| 12:20.45 | hikenboot | it was suggested to me that if i had any iscsi shares shared out that the command " lsscsi -l " will verify that I have iscsi shares...is this true? |
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| 12:25.09 | thewanderer1 | guys, I want to remove a disk from RAID6 but I always forget which of the sd[b-e] is the one I want to pull. if I just pull a random disk, no data loss occurs, right? :P |
| 12:25.51 | thewanderer1 | (at least I'll find out what symbolic name the one I will pull has...) |
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| 12:29.40 | dorp | I've read here: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en ... "To prepare the USB stick, you will need a system where GNU/Linux is already running" ... I currently have a laptop with Windows, without DVD/CD ... is there a workaround for me? |
| 12:31.02 | Morgawr | question: I'm having troubles compiling a generic debian kernel with my own patches applied, I'm following this guide http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage and this is what I do: http://pastebin.com/XDmHkB4H, I'm sure that the patches are applied to the source because patch doesn't throw any error, however they aren't in the final .deb package somehow |
| 12:31.11 | Morgawr | do I need to apply them to a specific build tree or something? |
| 12:31.25 | Morgawr | I've already re-compiled this kernel 3 times (starting yesterday night) and still nothing |
| 12:31.48 | Morgawr | do I need to apply the patches after running "fakeroot make -f debian/rules.gen setup_i386_none_686"? Because I do it before |
| 12:32.50 | Johannes` | I fixed my 404 issue by changing mirror from kernel.org to ftp.no.debian.org |
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| 12:41.45 | LimeBlast | I've just gotten myself a dedicated server, on which I'm planning on installing debian 6 for the purposes of running a LAMP server. can someone point me in the direction of a good book or tutorial that will run me though the basics, for a total beginner. |
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| 12:43.08 | LimeBlast | I was looking at getting the Debian GNU/Linux Bible |
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| 12:43.59 | thewanderer1 | LimeBlast, only get it if it refers specifically to the newest Debian release or has an updated edition that does |
| 12:44.32 | thewanderer1 | systems are evolving and you probably don't want to be relying on Sarge-specific info when running Squeeze... |
| 12:46.18 | LimeBlast | thewanderer1 I can't tell which year, or for which verson, it was written |
| 12:47.18 | thewanderer1 | LimeBlast, at least the release year is a must-check - you really want something current |
| 12:47.43 | LimeBlast | i've got a feeling it is 2008.... which with the current rate of technology release, is probably out of date |
| 12:47.49 | LimeBlast | can you recomend any more up to date books? |
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| 12:49.38 | LimeBlast | ok, nevermind, turns out it was for debian 2.2 - a wee bit toooo old :) |
| 12:49.43 | royh | i need to install an internal pastebin. anyone got any recommendations? |
| 12:49.59 | thewanderer1 | LimeBlast, how about http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ ? |
| 12:50.12 | thewanderer1 | (free knowledge, yay) |
| 12:50.26 | Johannes` | royh: /pub? |
| 12:50.36 | royh | Johannes`: huh? |
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| 12:51.19 | LimeBlast | thewanderer1 that looks like a very good place to start (feels like an idiot).. any idea if i can get an epub verson (or something like that?) |
| 12:51.37 | LimeBlast | nevermind, looking on the debian site myself :) |
| 12:52.14 | thewanderer1 | it's HTML, your mobile phone can probably read that :P (/me never got the hang of "e-book" formats when there are already formatting languages available) |
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| 12:54.11 | LimeBlast | thank you for your help thewanderer1 |
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| 12:58.06 | dorp | Any method for having Debian installation on a USB disk, from a Windows machine? |
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| 12:58.30 | cephyr | dorp, just a live system or a persistant debian? |
| 12:59.05 | dorp | cephyr: I want to install a persistant environment, yes |
| 12:59.15 | dorp | (-yes) |
| 12:59.45 | dorp | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en , this one mentions the need for a Linux system |
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| 13:00.43 | cephyr | dorp, checkout unetbootin or pendrivelinux, but i dont know if they give you a persistant system, you may also check wiki.debian.org/BootUsb |
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| 13:01.57 | skilz | whats a nice looking font to use for urxvt? |
| 13:03.43 | jelly | skilz: terminus? |
| 13:03.52 | nkuttler | terminus++ |
| 13:03.55 | colo-work | it is indeed. |
| 13:04.11 | jelly | a bit too blocky for my taste but redable enough |
| 13:04.25 | dorp | cephyr: Mmm... it's supposed to be so complicated? :\ |
| 13:04.43 | dorp | It's not traditional to install linux from USB drives without an existing Linux environments? |
| 13:05.09 | thewanderer1 | parted says: Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B on Crucial M4SSD. is this correct? O.o |
| 13:05.23 | arnoldB | http://lintian.debian.org/tags/possible-bashism-in-maintainer-script.html < can someone explain me, why I should use dash instead of bash for e.g. postinstall/postremove scripts in debian packages? |
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| 13:06.37 | thewanderer1 | dorp, the live images also have installers embedded these days, just use a live image |
| 13:07.26 | cephyr | drop: why complicated? unetbootin and pendrivelinux is very easy and for windows, and i thought that pendrivelinux also has the ability to give you a persitant system |
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| 13:09.28 | dorp | cephyr: Thanks for the reference... let me read a bit more and see where it takes me |
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| 13:15.25 | systemclient | I run Squeeze+LXDE in a virtualbox, but network does not work with nat or bridge. There is no eth0 and the "network is unreachable" how can I get back to work? |
| 13:16.43 | jelly | thewanderer1: the device lies. |
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| 13:17.08 | thewanderer1 | jelly, oh, ok then. |
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| 13:17.40 | vinnie_ | is there a difference between debian and debian gnu/linux? |
| 13:18.08 | jelly | thewanderer1: some poor legacy OS migt get confused if it said "oh my phys block size is like 32K or 2M" |
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| 13:18.34 | thewanderer1 | I've aligned it on 1MB, maybe it will do... |
| 13:18.47 | jelly | yeah, that's a reasonable default |
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| 13:19.03 | nkuttler | vinnie_: sure. why do you ask? |
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| 13:20.58 | thewanderer1 | do I need to align filesystems, too? |
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| 13:21.06 | lampe2 | hey i wanne change the LANG var in a init.d script. right now iam doing this in the script : LANG="en_US" but this dont work !? runlevel = 345 |
| 13:21.37 | jelly | lampe2: export the variable. which debian release are you using? |
| 13:22.04 | vinnie_ | nkuttler: well.. im thinking of switching from linuxmint to debian and i noticed on the debian site news it mentions a release of debian 6.0.3 and debian gnu/linux 5.0.9 and was wondering what the differenc was besides version number. |
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| 13:22.38 | jelly | thewanderer1: well that's the main reason for aligning partitions |
| 13:22.48 | lampe2 | jelly, non debian its a centos. i tried export too same problem and i know i should ask in centos but there no one is saying anything... |
| 13:23.02 | jelly | lampe2: you can use the ##linux channel. |
| 13:23.21 | thewanderer1 | jelly, yeah, yet I've found a forum where aligning ext4 using -E stride=...,stripe-width=... is recommended |
| 13:23.24 | lampe2 | join /##linux |
| 13:23.27 | lampe2 | argh |
| 13:23.28 | lampe2 | sry |
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| 13:24.19 | thewanderer1 | and I shouldn't be disabling the journal on the SSD, should I... |
| 13:24.19 | jelly | thewanderer1: sounds interesting! |
| 13:24.29 | gmarselis_ | morning :) |
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| 13:24.40 | jelly | thewanderer1: you probably could with no major ill effects |
| 13:24.52 | nkuttler | vinnie_: in this case they probably both mean gnu/linux. 5 is oldstable and won't be supported much longer |
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| 13:24.57 | thewanderer1 | it's a server without a functional UPS |
| 13:25.08 | jelly | barriers ftw |
| 13:25.22 | thewanderer1 | huh, but metadata consistency? O.o |
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| 13:25.33 | jelly | barries ftw. |
| 13:25.38 | vinnie_ | nkuttler: so then im wrong thinking debian is a rolling release os?? |
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| 13:25.46 | jelly | and ext4 has quickish fsck |
| 13:26.08 | jelly | vinnie_: the parts which are "rolling" are never released |
| 13:26.09 | echo_mirage | i can traceroute webpages, but i cant ping them or read them. what might be the problem? |
| 13:27.29 | vinnie_ | ok ty |
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| 13:29.26 | SandmanNet | What would you recommend over webmin for synchronizing and editing things over multiple debian machines, such as users, groups and such? |
| 13:29.59 | thewanderer1 | SandmanNet, LDAP or other centralized NSS and puppet or cfengine for managing configs |
| 13:30.44 | SandmanNet | thewanderer1: Hmmm, ok, and what about things like shell execution on multiple servers and seeing the result, things like that? |
| 13:31.17 | SandmanNet | Will DLAP give me local home directories? I've never actually used it on Linux.... |
| 13:31.35 | thewanderer1 | SandmanNet, read what LDAP is |
| 13:31.44 | project2501b | thewanderer1, what are you using the SSD for? can you put some data drives to work with and use the SSD for the metadata? |
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| 13:31.48 | thewanderer1 | SandmanNet, re command execution, you have dsh for that |
| 13:31.59 | SandmanNet | dsh you say.. hmm,ok. Thanks |
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| 13:32.06 | Guest19107 | hi |
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| 13:32.27 | thewanderer1 | project2501b, I am trying to limit the amount of platters here, they keep me awake :P |
| 13:33.10 | thewanderer1 | I know about bcache but that's not really my goal, plus I am not sure nfs-kernel-server can use bcache for serving metadata to clients |
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| 13:36.05 | drax2gma | Hello Guys, please help me out: how can I force my debian64 squeeze to see all my ram? It's 48GB, kernel sees only 16GB. Tried with mem=48G, nothing. :( |
| 13:36.36 | toxboi | thanks abrotman! |
| 13:36.59 | abrotman | :) |
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| 13:37.50 | thewanderer1 | drax2gma, does your BIOS see it all? |
| 13:39.16 | drax2gma | thewanderer1: till now I didnt checked, but ServerView reports the whole ram on the mgmt page. |
| 13:40.01 | drax2gma | thewanderer1: could it be a bios setup issue then? |
| 13:40.03 | toxboi | drax2gma: what does lshw -C memory say? |
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| 13:44.33 | drax2gma | toxboi: hm it sees 18 banks, with 14 empty, the rest is with 4GB in it, which is wrong |
| 13:45.23 | drax2gma | toxboi: nr. of banks are good |
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| 13:49.59 | grimeton | is there a place in the archive where the 5.0 images are stored? |
| 13:50.16 | streuner | !lenny |
| 13:50.16 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-15 and superseded by Squeeze as of 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 . Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>, <lenny release notes>, <install lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.9>. Security support will end on 2012-02-06. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 13:50.58 | streuner | grimeton: /msg dpkg install lenny |
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| 13:52.25 | grimeton | streuner: thanks |
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| 14:00.21 | echo_mirage | i can traceroute webpages, but can not ping them. whats the problem? |
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| 14:00.35 | petemc | something blocking icmp |
| 14:00.53 | echo_mirage | something like? xD |
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| 14:01.38 | petemc | a firewall, or icmp echo disabled |
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| 14:02.33 | grimeton | disable_icmp == brainded |
| 14:02.34 | echo_mirage | i cant access anything outside of my local network. i just wonder why traceroute still works. |
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| 14:05.45 | nkuttler | hrm.. so i have this file ?????? ls -b shows as \033\033\033\033\033\033 .. how do i mv/rm that? |
| 14:06.10 | grimeton | nkuttler: try tab completion |
| 14:06.21 | nkuttler | grimeton: nope |
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| 14:06.52 | grimeton | nkuttler: then loop over the directory contents and delete it |
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| 14:07.33 | project2501b | hey guys: in d-i, during the text installation, partitioning disks: what is the difference between "name" and labeling a partition? |
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| 14:08.29 | grimeton | project2501b: the name is the name of the filesystem on top |
| 14:08.36 | grimeton | the label is the name of the partition itself |
| 14:08.40 | project2501b | AH |
| 14:08.41 | project2501b | ok |
| 14:08.43 | project2501b | thank you:) |
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| 14:10.33 | dotcom | who now jonas |
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| 14:11.30 | DammitJim | what were you guys saying I need to do to my usb drive to be able to boot from it to install debian wheezy? |
| 14:11.58 | petemc | DammitJim: /msg dpkg usb install |
| 14:14.14 | dotcom | who now jonas smedegaard |
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| 14:17.07 | DammitJim | thanks petemc ... I meant the difference between cp and dd |
| 14:18.39 | petemc | cp is filesystem aware, dd isnt |
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| 14:19.00 | petemc | but both can be used to "burn" the iso to a usb stick |
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| 14:21.22 | KamZou | Hello, I want to redirect (RewriteRule Proxy directive) everything to http://my_sub_domain.infra.lan where "my_sub_domain" is the 1st part of the typed URL, any idea ? |
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| 14:21.43 | grimeton | KamZou: get some proxy, redirect it |
| 14:22.06 | ChoiZ | .htaxx :) |
| 14:22.11 | KamZou | grimeton, i want to use RewriteRule [P] mode |
| 14:22.13 | ChoiZ | too many question about redirect :D |
| 14:22.21 | ChoiZ | this week :p |
| 14:22.26 | KamZou | Yes ^^ |
| 14:23.18 | grimeton | depending on the scenario you can use anything like squid, apache, lighttpd, ... |
| 14:23.24 | grimeton | as long as it speaks http |
| 14:23.45 | ChoiZ | RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^(www\.)?domain.fr |
| 14:24.07 | ChoiZ | RewriteRule .... |
| 14:24.12 | KamZou | I currently use apache proxy with Proxypass and proxypassreverse, but here RR are the way to do it i think |
| 14:24.31 | ChoiZ | search about something like that |
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| 14:25.49 | Morgawr | okay.. question: I'm trying to compile the debian kernel (for the thousandth time) and I'm following this guide http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html, I just launch "make KDEB_PKGVERSION=custom.1.0 deb-pkg", it compiles everything and right AT THE END it says "permission denied: cannot change ownership blah blah blah" of a bunch of files |
| 14:25.54 | Morgawr | so I have to re-do everything |
| 14:25.58 | Morgawr | do I really need to be root to do this? |
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| 14:28.30 | Cozminsky | Morgawr: you can use fakeroot too |
| 14:28.37 | toxboi | drax2gma: usually lshw should show you exactly what your system hardware is detected by the bios. |
| 14:29.08 | toxboi | drax2gma: could you check if can see all the ram in bios. |
| 14:29.12 | babilen | Morgawr: --rootcmd fakeroot |
| 14:29.33 | Morgawr | so I just fakeroot make KDEB_PKGVERSIONetcetc? |
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| 14:30.10 | iluminator105 | my remote desktop preferences is grayed out its not allowing me to change anything, i am not sure how this came about? |
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| 14:31.41 | bmomjian | I am seeing up apache includes in Debian Squeeze and had to add the "Options Includes" in the <VirtualHost> block and not in the <Directory> block. Any idea why? httpd channel couldn't answer that. |
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| 14:37.53 | iluminator105 | permission to pm babilen |
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| 14:39.05 | babilen | iluminator105: Sure |
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| 14:44.25 | Morgawr | okay... apparently I was able to create/compile the kernel and now I have a custom .deb package. The package has a custom name and everything, however after installing it, in the grub menu (and even with uname) it says "linux-image-2.6.32" without the custom tag added to the end |
| 14:44.34 | Morgawr | how do I change the .deb package so the kernel shows the real name instead of the default kernel name? |
| 14:44.59 | Morgawr | (I need to distribute this .deb package and use it on other systems, I don't want them to be confused with other kernels) |
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| 15:06.34 | abrotman | !moo |
| 15:06.34 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/*office/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 15:07.43 | Iridos | slaughters abrotman and cuts him up for eating |
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| 15:08.36 | abrotman | please make soup out of my butt wiper |
| 15:09.24 | Iridos | actually you should have come to the table and advised us which parts of you are best... |
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| 15:10.22 | brahman | Hi, |
| 15:10.24 | mrtnt86 | In case of standard ATX 2.2 IBM x86 servers, is it usually possible to see if one of the PSU's has failed? |
| 15:10.52 | brahman | what would be the equivalent of Mach (software build root) for debian .deb packages? is it fakeroot? |
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| 15:13.40 | Iridos | not sure what mach exactly does... but I'd say pbuilder... perhaps you can judge yourself if that's what you mean |
| 15:13.43 | Iridos | dpkg, pbuilder |
| 15:13.44 | dpkg | from memory, pbuilder is "personal package builder", a package which creates a chroot for building packages which are optionally targetted at releases other than the currently installed release. It is useful for checking that a package has the correct build-dependencies as well. apt-get install pbuilder && pager /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/README.Debian |
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| 15:15.12 | brahman | Iridos: thanks will read up on pbuilder |
| 15:15.27 | qdb | hello. linux-image-2.6-686 vs linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 on debian 6.0.3 installation |
| 15:15.49 | qdb | 2.6 is or is not 2.6.0 ? what is it? |
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| 15:16.41 | brahman | qdb: AFAIK this is a dummy package. |
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| 15:16.53 | petemc | qdb: apt-cache show linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 15:16.54 | pizza_biz | apt-cache show linux-image-2.6-686 says "2.6.32+29" |
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| 15:18.31 | Heartvoice | hi |
| 15:18.32 | Iridos | brahman, there's actually also mach in debian :) but it doesn't do debs |
| 15:18.41 | qdb | seems debian has not tt keymap (cyrillic tatar) though ubuntu has |
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| 15:18.55 | brahman | Iridos: Indeed. I am now building .deb for a new project. |
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| 15:19.34 | brahman | Iridos: mach is great for rpm build roots. I use it with hudson. |
| 15:19.44 | qdb | where i should write to make them include tt keymap? |
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| 15:20.17 | qdb | found! |
| 15:20.23 | qdb | it is here in installation |
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| 15:21.30 | qdb | probably there is debian bug tracker where i should write if need |
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| 15:22.50 | \marco | hi all |
| 15:23.48 | \marco | a dev on bugs.freedesktop.org ask me to try something applying a patch on a file in mesa |
| 15:24.17 | \marco | but i don't know how it is split in debian |
| 15:24.43 | \marco | the src is /src/mesa/drivers/dri/radeon/radeon_fbo.c |
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| 15:25.00 | \marco | which pkg I've to compile from scratch? |
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| 15:25.43 | \marco | the mesa one or something related with radeon module.. or anything else? |
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| 15:28.25 | \marco | could be libgl1-mesa-dri which holds /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/dri/radeon_dri.so? |
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| 15:31.23 | \marco | However it's the first time I try to build something from src in debian ( I'm a prev gentoo user, recompile or try a patch was more straightforward :) ) what's the best things to do? |
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| 15:31.53 | \marco | just download the mesa src and build it with the patch? or try to create a pkg? |
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| 15:33.48 | nkuttler | \marco: apt-get build-dep package, apt-get source package, debian/rules binary |
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| 15:34.30 | \marco | nkuttler: thanks! I've found this http://x.debian.net/howto/build-mesa.html and I've just run the first command you mention |
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| 15:34.56 | Na_Klar | A month ago I installed debian on my webserver. Soon I realized that the machine is scattered temporarily unavailable on all tcp and icmp ports. The technicans of the data center say there is no error in their network. I cannot find any errors in my logs. Anyone got an inspiration what could be wrong and/or how to find it out? |
| 15:35.07 | \marco | nkuttler: what do you mean with "debian/rules binary" ? |
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| 15:36.43 | nkuttler | \marco: the rules file in the package will build a .deb for you |
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| 15:37.14 | \marco | nkuttler: oh! very nice! :) thank you again ;) |
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| 15:44.02 | Iridos | dpkg, build custom package |
| 15:44.02 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <apt-get source>. |
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| 15:44.12 | Iridos | \marco, ^^^ |
| 15:44.16 | ebik19 | Helo |
| 15:44.53 | \marco | Iridos: wow! thank you :) |
| 15:45.30 | CharminTheMoose | Hey all, I was doing a dist-upgrade on my Testing system and somehow the system burped and started complaining about unmet dependencies in libboost-dev/libboost-1.46-dev. How can I gracefully deal with the situation? I've got a whole bunch of missing/broken packages now. |
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| 15:48.21 | Iridos | Na_Klar, I think I said a couple of days ago... run more things that produce output for you. like one ping every 5 seconds so that you see on the machine when the failures happen... also you'd see from ping if the pings just get sent or don't come back or if the network device is down... |
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| 15:49.11 | MrFrood | CharminTheMoose: try #debian-next on the oftc server for dedicated wheezy/sid support |
| 15:49.14 | Iridos | dunno what else.. it _should_ show in dmesg if something on the machine prevents it... perhaps all you have to do is to increase the loglevel... |
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| 15:49.25 | dabukalam | why are half of the commands only available to root? |
| 15:50.01 | Iridos | because they wouldn't do a regular user any good? (most of 'em) |
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| 15:50.40 | Iridos | dabukalam, nothing prevents you from adding /sbin:/usr/sbin to your $PATH |
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| 15:52.02 | Na_Klar | Iridos, I remember and I set up a ruby script which stamped every 30sec. But nothing could be find there. I did ping (from local machine) when I stumbled over a blackout and the ping does not return. When I would ping from the server itself periodically, what should I ping? And I couldn't be sure if dropped pings where cause of my network or cause the remote server does not reply .. |
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| 15:53.32 | Iridos | Na_Klar, take something that's always up to ping... I always used to ping the university dns server at university (although not for SO long... dunno if anyone gets pissed off by that if you ping a LOT) ... googles DNS is 8.8.8.8 |
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| 15:53.50 | MrFrood | dabukalam: investigate the staff group if you feel like iving dangoersly |
| 15:54.00 | Iridos | but that's why I suggested to ping only every 5 seconds... perhaps only every 10 or 20 ... |
| 15:54.18 | dabukalam | what's so dangerous about having access to system commands from my command line? |
| 15:54.33 | dabukalam | i'm still running them as a user and can't do anything that problematic |
| 15:54.50 | dabukalam | the system is basically useless for my purposes without them |
| 15:54.53 | Iridos | dabukalam, then add them to your path |
| 15:54.58 | abrotman | dabukalam: so just type the full path .. i'ts not that hard |
| 15:54.59 | dabukalam | I did, thanks |
| 15:55.11 | Na_Klar | iridos, yeah I will considder this as an option. Thanks for that. I got really frustrated with that issue :P Simply because I connot find the failure. So, *any* help is appriciated |
| 15:55.12 | dabukalam | abrotman, it's annoying. why would I? |
| 15:55.24 | abrotman | you mean you're lazy :) |
| 15:55.26 | abrotman | have fun |
| 15:55.34 | Iridos | dabukalam, anyone who would care at all about having them is supposed to know how to add them to their path |
| 15:55.35 | dabukalam | no, i'm efficient. |
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| 15:56.00 | abrotman | if you were efficient, you'd just run everything as root .. then you wouldn't get permission problems, etc |
| 15:56.28 | abrotman | (not something i'd recommend) |
| 15:56.32 | dabukalam | abrotman, no, because running everything as root is retarded |
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| 15:56.42 | abrotman | *facepalm* |
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| 15:57.02 | dabukalam | Iridos, it just didn't occur to me that was the reason. I didn't realise debian didn't add them |
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| 15:57.25 | Iridos | actually... I know of no distribution that does... |
| 15:57.47 | Iridos | but admittedly I haven't checked many |
| 15:58.01 | babilen | dabukalam: Just out of interest, but which commands are we talking about here? |
| 15:58.22 | Iridos | /usr/sbin/ls |
| 15:58.40 | abrotman | and /sbin/* |
| 16:00.06 | qdb | i have installed debian base system tools and now in command line tatar keymap does not work rhombs instead of letters |
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| 16:01.03 | qdb | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-customizing.en.html |
| 16:01.21 | qdb | "The kbd and console-tools packages support this, edit /etc/kbd/config or /etc/console-tools/config files. " |
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| 16:02.21 | hikenboot | hello anyone able to confirm that lsscsi -l will list ISCSI shares that are currently available on a debian host? I also wonder if netstat -nb | grep -i 3260 would show it |
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| 16:03.03 | hikenboot | for some reason it doesnt fail but I dont think my iscsi shares are working i can pastbin some configs if anyone thinks they might be able to help |
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| 16:11.00 | qdb | are there unicode font in terminal? |
| 16:11.33 | qdb | what is http://packages.debian.org/lenny/rxvt-unicode ? |
| 16:11.50 | qdb | seems this is not just font |
| 16:12.08 | qdb | so , just fonts are impossible? |
| 16:12.16 | esprimo | That is a terminar with unicode-support |
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| 16:14.49 | Iridos | no idea what tatar is supposed to be |
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| 16:15.26 | Na_Klar | How can I start a process as root but it is owned by another user? |
| 16:15.30 | ion_ | can anyone tell me how do I install graphic's card drivers,please.. |
| 16:16.28 | ion_ | is an ATI 9804 |
| 16:16.30 | qdb | Iridos, russian with additional cyrillic letters and altgr+key for rare used russian letters |
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| 16:17.18 | qdb | esprimo, does it use x server ? is it installed on my system? |
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| 16:18.02 | ion_ | and I was trying to set it up and I broke my souces.list as well... |
| 16:18.56 | qdb | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-euro-support/ch-configure.en.html "There are Debian packages available to install the Kuhn's unicode fonts. FIXME: What are the names for them? " |
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| 16:22.47 | qdb | strangely only several (3-4) letters work |
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| 16:24.48 | qdb | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=46691 |
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| 16:28.24 | qdb | apt-cache search fonty-rg do not show anything. so i should download list of all packages. what command is for that? |
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| 16:30.52 | lduros | hello, can you easily install Gnome3/Gnome Shell using Debian Wheezy testing ? |
| 16:31.59 | qdb | i think apt-get update |
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| 16:32.48 | abrotman | lduros: wheezy already has gnome3.2 |
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| 16:33.48 | webczat | Hello, for my curiosity: Is debian going to switch to systemd? |
| 16:34.04 | webczat | I know wheezy ships it. |
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| 16:34.17 | lduros | abrotman: this is what we are talking about correct: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ -- where would I download it? |
| 16:34.22 | hikenboot | http://pastebin.com/G9wwwP5s <<---iscsi luns that dont show up as shared as far as I can tell...all relivant configs listed here |
| 16:35.16 | NaCl | So, I'm building some packages from source, and I'm getting a funny error: dpkg-deb: maintainer script `postinst' has bad permissions 644 (must be >=0555 and <=0775) |
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| 16:35.33 | NaCl | Yet when I check the perms on said postinst script, they are 0755 |
| 16:35.38 | ion_ | so how do I install ATI graphics card ? |
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| 16:37.19 | impaktor | Situation: laptop, W7, with access only to wireless WPA connection, no CD. So I can install Debian from USB, but there is no wpa-application on the installer right? Not even if I use the "full" 650 MB iso. |
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| 16:41.26 | impaktor | ...So question is, how do I get the rest of Debian on there without a WPA-client? |
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| 16:42.03 | hanibana | Hi. My torrents on command-line torrent tools (like ctorrent) hangs for hours without any activity. I don't have this problem with KTorrent. I wanna use command-line ones on remote systems. What's wrong with them? |
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| 16:42.38 | impaktor | tried rTorrent? |
| 16:43.15 | hanibana | no, let me... |
| 16:43.17 | Joelito | guys I have plugged a fuji cam to copy some pictures and video => Bus 001 Device 005: ID 04cb:01c7 Fuji Photo Film Co., Ltd |
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| 16:43.42 | Joelito | using XFCE4, doesn't prompted thunar to navigate |
| 16:43.47 | Iridos | qdb, you need to choose a font that has representations for the letters... if there is none in that font, you only get squares (or whatever else)... you can configure the font used with the xresources (/msg dpkg .xresources #del# ) |
| 16:44.32 | nkuttler | Joelito: why would thunar do that? does the cam act as usb storage? |
| 16:44.53 | Joelito | yes, nkuttler it does on windows |
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| 16:49.34 | Iridos | looks at his windows... but it's dark outside so they only reflect the inside of the room. There's nothing on them. |
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| 16:51.44 | abrotman | lduros: you install stable, then dist-upgrade to wheezy .. |
| 16:52.10 | lduros | abrotman: what's the command to dist-upgrade to wheezy? |
| 16:52.24 | abrotman | !tell lduros about squeeze->wheezy |
| 16:52.26 | lduros | you have to add the repo first no? |
| 16:52.34 | abrotman | lduros: careful .. there are bumps and bruises to be had |
| 16:52.46 | qdb | Iridos, what is "(/msg dpkg .xresources #del# )" ? |
| 16:53.25 | lduros | abrotman: yeh, I'm already running debian testing on my laptop, and it's fine, with linux kernel 3, but i didn't get gnome3 with it so far |
| 16:53.33 | lduros | ah well, abrotman: thanks for the tip |
| 16:53.40 | Iridos | calling up a factoid from the bot in here |
| 16:53.49 | Iridos | albeit not a very good one. |
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| 16:54.02 | Iridos | dpkg, tell qdb -about /.xdefaults |
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| 16:55.23 | qdb | i have selected sudo but now i think it bad for security and deleted it , before that set passwrd for root with sudo passwd. now i can press ctrl alt f2 and login as root. so what reason for having su command? i tried to delete su with apt-get purge su but there is no such command. how to know out package name where is command if i know command name |
| 16:55.53 | qdb | do you think i have x installed? |
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| 16:56.54 | qdb | fix : but there is no such package |
| 16:58.15 | jhutchins_lt | qdb: su is useful in situations where you do not want to allow root to log in directly, such as over ssh, and you want accountability for who uses su to become root. |
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| 16:59.03 | jhutchins_lt | qdb: It's also useful when doing administration on multi-user sites in that the administrator can use it (with the - option) to become various users and make changes in settings that are saved as that user's settings. |
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| 17:00.17 | jhutchins_lt | qdb: It's a good habit to always use su - . Modern distributions have configured it so that if you are using it to become root it automatically uses root's profile, but if you get in the habit of leaving the - off then you can have problems when you become a user but do not have their environment and path. |
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| 17:01.08 | jhutchins_lt | qdb: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/ <- a guide to system administration in linux |
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| 17:02.11 | Iridos | I think he wants limit root access to the text consoles |
| 17:03.00 | Iridos | that doesn't do as much for security as you think it does, though |
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| 17:03.27 | Iridos | priviledge escalation doesn't normally happen via su |
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| 17:04.08 | impaktor | I can use the 650 MB debian.iso with the dd command to get it to a usb device, and it will boot from that? (the install page only talks about using dd with the net-inst iso) |
| 17:04.52 | kreign | the best way to avoid privilege escalation is to have a minimal attack surface area (limiting root logins helps), good policy on accounts and updates, and not having custom apps exposed to the world. |
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| 17:06.07 | qdb | jhutchins_lt, thank you. "where you do not want to allow root to log in directly, such as over ssh" - cannot it be denied in ssh config, and does exictense (being installed) of su change that root can be logged in directly? |
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| 17:07.19 | qdb | "and you want accountability for who uses su to become root" - ok i understand this. but ... again what if somebody click alt ctrl f and logs in directly, if he knows root password |
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| 17:09.26 | Iridos | qdb, you can disallow root loggin in via ssh man sshd_config ... that of course only disallows things like ssh root@host - you can still ssh in and su to root |
| 17:09.34 | qdb | "... administrator can use it (with the - option) to become various users ..." - i hope should not know that user's password for that |
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| 17:09.35 | nkuttler | impaktor: should work afaik |
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| 17:10.28 | impaktor | nkuttler: thanks. Then I'll give it a go. (but installing without WPA on the iso is a bitch) |
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| 17:11.03 | qdb | Iridos, jhutchins_lt how to deny direct login with ctrl alt f2 ? is it possible? though i do not need it just interesting after jhutchins_lt has said that |
| 17:11.49 | nkuttler | impaktor: you could download whichever packages you need and install them by hand |
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| 17:12.18 | impaktor | nkuttler: yeah, just a pain to resolve dependencies manually... |
| 17:12.41 | qdb | " how to know out package name where is command" - i have answer in irc debian org |
| 17:12.55 | nkuttler | !tell qdb about search |
| 17:12.56 | kreign | qdb, install apt-file |
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| 17:13.08 | nkuttler | impaktor: well there's debtree |
| 17:13.10 | kreign | apt-file is the win in that department. |
| 17:13.15 | kreign | nkuttler, haven't used that one... |
| 17:13.18 | Iridos | qdb, it's probably possible in some way, I recommend man pam.conf. (But it's not so very useful... do you plan to give your root password away to people you don't want to have it AND give them physical access?) |
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| 17:14.17 | qdb | Iridos, i do not want to give root password to anybody |
| 17:14.26 | qdb | why do you ask this? |
| 17:14.34 | Iridos | well... actually work way up from man pam.conf... might be in man pam_rootok or so |
| 17:14.45 | Iridos | qdb, because of your question :) |
| 17:14.55 | kreign | qdb, restricting root etc. access can be done in /etc/security/access.conf |
| 17:15.07 | nkuttler | impaktor: i think wpasupplicant is all you really need.. but i just use network-manager |
| 17:15.14 | Iridos | if someone has physical access to the computer for a longer time unsupervised, consider the machine compromised... |
| 17:15.30 | Iridos | screwdriver usually wins out |
| 17:15.32 | qdb | Iridos, kreign other way as i know is to delete root password |
| 17:16.02 | Iridos | so how's anyone ever supposed to become root? |
| 17:16.15 | qdb | may be that deleting root password was just in gui but used files you said |
| 17:16.19 | kreign | qdb, another way to do it would be to add a restriction to /etc/pam.d/ssh, or put one/other of AllowUser !root (iirc) or change AllowRootLogin = yes to no in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 17:16.26 | Iridos | and you can't "delete" it, that would give you passwordless root.. you have to put ! in place of the encrypted pwd |
| 17:17.06 | kreign | qdb, that doesn't allow root login at all. (you'd not remove it - that'd set it to blank, allowing anyone in, you'd replace the pw with a bang (!)... passwd tool can do this too, I forget the switch) |
| 17:17.19 | Iridos | kreign, ssh is trivial with AllowRootLogin... we were (strange as that is) talking about console access |
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| 17:17.39 | kreign | Iridos, right, /etc/security has all the answers for that. |
| 17:17.50 | kreign | you don't want to disable root login outright. |
| 17:17.58 | impaktor | Iridos: yes, I use wicd-curses myself, but the problem is in the installation stage, that the installer does not have any way of connecting to wpa networks. (I'll be installing debian on a friends computer, and would ofcourse like it to go smoth eather than hunting dependencies.) |
| 17:18.00 | kreign | that... causes problems. |
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| 17:18.18 | Iridos | of course you could also switch off the machine and pull its ram out... that'd make totally sure nobody logs in as root |
| 17:18.39 | kreign | there is some value in changing uid 0 to not be called 'root' |
| 17:18.54 | qdb | kreign, i think ssh configs is not about direct login , it just disallows direct login via ssh, but with local keyboard it left possible. but may be /etc/security/access.conf or passw-less root or pam config is about that |
| 17:19.27 | kreign | qdb, again, you can modify /etc/security/access.conf to provide you with what you want. |
| 17:19.38 | kreign | be careful. |
| 17:20.05 | Iridos | kreign, yeah... the value is that you see how many programs break because they rely on id 0 being called "root" |
| 17:20.27 | kreign | leave cron, crond, and some other form of login. I recommend at least one console device (eg. maybe one you enable at boot time for recovery, such as ttyS0 |
| 17:20.46 | kreign | Iridos, hmm, do they? I've actually not run into that. |
| 17:21.17 | Iridos | I only tried this once about 12 years ago and yes, they did |
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| 17:23.22 | kreign | Iridos, heh |
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| 17:26.16 | polygons | hey there, i'm using mint debian xfce, and i'm not really enjoying xfce too much. was thinking about trying gnome. how is gnome 3? is it way heavier than xfce? because my computer isn't that strong. |
| 17:27.34 | jhutchins_lt | !mint |
| 17:27.35 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 17:27.46 | impaktor | polygons: why not go the other way, and try out something lighter? LXDE? |
| 17:28.05 | jhutchins_lt | polygons: Gnome is typically more resource intensive than xfce. |
| 17:28.06 | polygons | maybe i should |
| 17:28.21 | polygons | by a lot? gnome3 is probably even worse? |
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| 17:28.36 | Iridos | it's funny... whenever I weigh my harddisk, it's got exactly the same weight |
| 17:28.37 | jhutchins_lt | polygons: In any case you should use the mint channel, as their options and defaults may be different. |
| 17:28.40 | polygons | xfce feels kind of crappy, sorry |
| 17:28.46 | polygons | har har |
| 17:29.00 | kreign | jhutchins_lt, that's like saying that Miss America is typically not won by chain-smoking 50-year-olds... |
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| 17:29.05 | Iridos | and squeeze doesn't have gnome3 |
| 17:29.27 | polygons | really? i'm on debian testing and I feel like after all this time, my mint configurations have been mostly overwritten :-) |
| 17:29.42 | jhutchins_lt | polygons: mint is NOT Debian testing, it's something different. |
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| 17:30.17 | polygons | right, but i've set my repositories to gnome testing |
| 17:30.23 | polygons | sorry |
| 17:30.27 | polygons | debian testing :) |
| 17:30.44 | jhutchins_lt | polygons: That doesn't make it debian. |
| 17:30.46 | Iridos | dpkg, frankendebian |
| 17:30.47 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince #linux to help. |
| 17:30.49 | polygons | lmde is debian plus a bit of mint spice, right? |
| 17:30.58 | converge | what is a tap host.. ? |
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| 17:31.19 | jhutchins_lt | polygons: No, it is a differernt distribution that pirates packages from debian testing. IT IS NOT DEBIAN. |
| 17:31.20 | Iridos | or would that even be fankenmint? sounds tasty |
| 17:31.33 | jhutchins_lt | polygons: If you need support or want to discuss mint, please use their channel, it is off topic here. |
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| 17:31.42 | polygons | huh. i guess plain debian is better? |
| 17:31.47 | kreign | jhutchins_lt, uh, mint -pirates- debian? |
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| 17:33.02 | polygons | i tried debian, but it felt like a lot of work, like either you click the desktop option, or whatever it was calle and install every piece of software known to man, or you boot up to a blinking cursor with nohthing |
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| 17:33.32 | polygons | is there a middle path? or is that lmde? |
| 17:33.45 | Iridos | sure |
| 17:33.50 | Iridos | install the blinking cursor, then |
| 17:33.52 | Iridos | dpkg, install x |
| 17:33.52 | dpkg | To install X in Debian Lenny and later releases: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To configure your X server, ask me about <xorg config>. |
| 17:34.17 | Iridos | you can /msg dpkg install gnome (or whatever) on the things in <>brackets |
| 17:35.06 | polygons | so what do you guys like, i'm not super into xfce. |
| 17:35.17 | polygons | am i just missing it and xfce is great? |
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| 17:35.26 | polygons | little things make really bother me about it |
| 17:35.33 | polygons | but just little things |
| 17:35.37 | polygons | maybe i should stick it out |
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| 17:35.48 | Iridos | dunno, never tried it... used to use fvwm for years... openbox is nice... not really much into DEs |
| 17:35.51 | impaktor | I run StumpWM, before that Awesome, bofore that I was a long time user of Fluxbox. You'll probably hate them all :) |
| 17:36.00 | Iridos | now trying gnome since squeeze just to satisfy my curiosity |
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| 17:36.21 | polygons | gnome 2.3? |
| 17:36.48 | polygons | i was enjoying openbox on crunchbang for a week :-) |
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| 17:37.03 | impaktor | then go with that? |
| 17:37.23 | Iridos | openbox is pretty nice in that the defaults are quiet usable |
| 17:37.39 | polygons | ok |
| 17:37.53 | Iridos | for fvwm2 I had an extensive amount of config to make it suit my needs |
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| 17:38.07 | polygons | or lxde? |
| 17:38.15 | impaktor | openbox is not so nice to configure in raw text as fluxbox is. |
| 17:38.25 | impaktor | unless you like xml |
| 17:38.35 | polygons | yeah i don't want too much config |
| 17:38.39 | polygons | but i do want something fast |
| 17:38.42 | polygons | and light |
| 17:38.43 | kreign | impaktor, well you could always use one of 100 different xml libraries to do it. |
| 17:38.56 | kreign | give awesome a try. |
| 17:39.06 | kreign | fast, light, and awesome. |
| 17:39.07 | kreign | :P |
| 17:39.27 | impaktor | polygons: well, then any *box WM, or any tiling, or windowmaker, or ... the list will be long |
| 17:39.28 | polygons | ok, so you guys are recommending awesome, lxde, fluxbox and openbox? |
| 17:40.08 | impaktor | But awesome has a lot of lua, which turned me off. Stumpwm uses beautiful Lisp. (if you like that) |
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| 17:40.28 | impaktor | (it's the continuation of ratpoison) |
| 17:40.33 | polygons | lisp as in the functinoal programing language? |
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| 17:41.39 | Iridos | lisp is the thing with more brackets than actual text |
| 17:41.45 | impaktor | Lisp as in the language from the 50's yes. |
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| 17:42.04 | nkuttler | polygons: i like openbox. hoping for qtile to become installable soon |
| 17:42.06 | polygons | lisp is kind of fun, but i wouldnt want to use it all day ;-) |
| 17:42.14 | polygons | qtile? |
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| 17:42.32 | impaktor | Well, ratpoison was in C, but the developer switched to Lisp, because it made everything easier, and now it's known as stumpwm |
| 17:42.47 | polygons | woah, what a swtich |
| 17:42.58 | Iridos | because he got stumped when using lisp instead :) |
| 17:43.03 | Iridos | or he got everyone else stumped |
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| 17:43.48 | polygons | hilarious |
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| 17:44.02 | polygons | ok, i'm gonna install openbox right now and give it a shot |
| 17:44.12 | polygons | thanks guys! |
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| 17:44.25 | Iridos | l |
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| 17:47.21 | impaktor | Suggestions on different logos for stumpwm http://stumpwm.svkt.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl/NewLogo |
| 17:47.37 | impaktor | brackets! |
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| 17:48.35 | claw | Hello. What else can cause load if mem, io and cpu is low ? |
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| 17:49.27 | Iridos | wait? |
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| 17:50.41 | converge | post-up program isnt on debian ? |
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| 17:52.26 | nkuttler | converge: what's that supposed to do? |
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| 17:53.02 | converge | nkuttler: assign a mac address for a network card |
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| 17:53.14 | somiaj | converge: do you mean the postup commands you ran run after an interface is brought up? man interfaces -- you can write custom postup scripts |
| 17:53.26 | jhutchins_lt | I think he means the post up portion of the network script. |
| 17:53.48 | converge | im following a tutorial and i have to do it: post-up ip link set br0 address f4:6d:04:08:f1:5f |
| 17:53.51 | nkuttler | converge: it's not a program. see man 5 interfaces |
| 17:53.53 | converge | its an ubuntu tutorial |
| 17:53.57 | qdb | kreign, what is ttyS0 ? "ttyS0 tty0" in google -> http://www.linuxselfhelp.com/HOWTO/Text-Terminal-HOWTO-6.html it is only for console via network? while tty0 (tty1) is only for console via local keyboard and ctrl alt f... ? |
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| 17:54.46 | qdb | serial port? it soemthing like lan but old version as i know |
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| 17:55.08 | sphenxes | I have restarted my computer using the reset bottom (freeze using rsync). Now i have only one workspace, i can't do any thing to increase the number of my workspaces. I type, 2, ..10. Nothing happen. Any suggestions pleases. (Gnome 2.3, Squeeze). |
| 17:55.25 | kreign | qdb, tty# are your F# virtual terminals, ttyS# are serial ports. so if you have a serial port, you can configure getty to spawn login on it to allow access that way. |
| 17:55.35 | qdb | it is rarely used nowadays so why ttyS.. ? |
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| 17:56.15 | kreign | qdb, on consumer products, maybe. A console cable (null modem cable) is two of 4 cables I keep in my bag, the other two being USB and the power adapter for my laptop. |
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| 17:56.49 | levk | I sometimes use ttyS to configure xen VMs without logging in via VNC |
| 17:56.53 | qdb | kreign, if i am not mistaken some printers worked with serial port or i think about lpt... and possuible to connect 2 comps with dos / nc with them... right? |
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| 17:57.17 | levk | ttyS is about the only way to capture a kernel panic output |
| 17:58.07 | qdb | but.. also usb also connetc to com1 com 2 in windows and com... means serial port? |
| 17:58.19 | converge | nkuttler: thanks |
| 17:58.59 | levk | serial port is a very simple low level connection, you can connect to all kinds of weird stuff with it. like some cars for example. as long as the data rate can be matched there's always an easy way to make a driver |
| 17:59.17 | converge | when i create a virtual network inferface its normal to lose the real network informations? like lost the ip address |
| 17:59.19 | qdb | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_port |
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| 18:00.09 | f3xius | what network is the wheezy channel on again? |
| 18:00.24 | nkuttler | f3xius: oftc |
| 18:00.34 | f3xius | thanks |
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| 18:06.07 | qdb | kreign, you connect console cabel to some device or like web server comp to its serial port and other end of it to what? |
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| 18:07.01 | qdb | qdb, probably modern notebooks do not have serial ports ? |
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| 18:07.17 | qdb | oh ) not to qdb |
| 18:07.30 | jhutchins_lt | qdb: A serial port connects to another serial port. |
| 18:07.58 | jhutchins_lt | qdb: It can be a printer, a modem, a terminal, or another computer running terminal emulation. |
| 18:08.07 | Fvcker | help |
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| 18:08.11 | jhutchins_lt | qdb: (It can also be a lot of other things.) |
| 18:08.56 | jhutchins_lt | qdb: A serial console is often used to allow a remote connection without going through networking for a lower level of system control. |
| 18:08.59 | qdb | if connect it to notebook you can manage device from that |
| 18:09.15 | jhutchins_lt | qdb: There are ways to do that, yes. |
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| 18:09.43 | kreign | qdb, usb serial adapter on a laptop. |
| 18:09.49 | jhutchins_lt | qdb: Advanced network devices like smart switches and routers typically have a serial port for control and configuration. |
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| 18:11.46 | jhutchins_lt | qdb: Early unix systems often had many serial ports and each user had a "dumb" terminal that only displayed text and allowed you to type text to the system. |
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| 18:12.22 | qdb | kreign, if only ttyS0 is allowed to login, is it possible still login to ssh? i think not. then if you need you go with laptop to server and login through ttyS0 |
| 18:12.59 | qdb | kreign, but other users could be allowed through ssh |
| 18:13.25 | jhutchins_lt | qdb: ssh allows a lot of control of who can log in from where, but it is only concerned about network connections. |
| 18:13.26 | kreign | qdb, you're asking enough questions to start breaking things. why not go start? |
| 18:13.45 | converge | there is something i didnt understood about network bridging, when i setup a new interface like br0, i loose the ip address of eth0, why it happen.. ? |
| 18:13.48 | jhutchins_lt | qdb: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/ <- a guide to system administration in linux |
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| 18:14.00 | jhutchins_lt | qdb: I believe there are translations. |
| 18:14.05 | kreign | qdb, it's not a silver bullet, by any means. as has been said, you're more likely to be exploited through a vulnerability in eg. apache. |
| 18:14.29 | qdb | there is only tty-s in etc security access conf right? you cannot write "ssh" there? do not access from ssh goes through one of ttyXY-s ? |
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| 18:15.02 | efazati | what is libsn/sn-launcher.h |
| 18:15.18 | jhutchins_lt | qdb: ssh is configured through it's own files. It can also be affected by selinux, which is system wide security. |
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| 18:15.50 | sakal | hi, I just installed plasma-widget-networkmanagement in debian wheezy, version 0.9~git20111126.1ef1677-1. Successful setup wireless network. But when I click edit connection, I got error meesage: No agents were available for this request. |
| 18:16.07 | sakal | where I must search solution? debian/kde? network manager or plasma widget? |
| 18:16.27 | jhutchins_lt | converge: I presume this is on a VM? |
| 18:16.27 | efazati | how solve this error: libsn/sn-launcher.h: No such file or directory |
| 18:16.29 | qdb | thank you |
| 18:16.40 | jhutchins_lt | !tell efazati about search |
| 18:17.01 | Fvcker | hai all |
| 18:17.08 | converge | jhutchins_lt: yes, does the bridging configuration should be done on guest os? |
| 18:17.26 | jhutchins_lt | efazati: Find the header file for whatever package you're trying to build. It may need headers from other packages. Read the documentation that comes with the package. |
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| 18:17.47 | jhutchins_lt | converge: That's a question to ask in the support channel for the Hosting software. |
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| 18:18.09 | jhutchins_lt | converge: It will not be the same for all hosting software. |
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| 18:18.26 | jolly91 | !lista |
| 18:18.28 | efazati | jhutchins_lt, there is no doc with pack and i want install package and also search it |
| 18:18.35 | efazati | but i can find |
| 18:18.40 | jhutchins_lt | converge: You usually create a bridge interface on the host from the host's interface to the guest. |
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| 18:19.00 | jolly91 | !lista |
| 18:19.06 | jhutchins_lt | efazati: If you are installing an undocumented package and you don't know what it requires perhaps you should not install it. |
| 18:19.27 | jhutchins_lt | efazati: Especially since you are not guaranteed to be able to remove it if it breaks things. |
| 18:19.40 | jhutchins_lt | efazati: Perhaps there is another package that does what you need that is documented. |
| 18:20.00 | jolly91 | !addon |
| 18:20.30 | efazati | jhutchins_lt, i want install i3 4-1 and its not in squezee so i want compile it and there is no dependecy doc |
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| 18:21.10 | jhutchins_lt | efazati: Perhaps there is another package that does what you need that is documented. |
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| 18:21.55 | jhutchins_lt | efazati: Niether google nor I know wtf i3 is anyway. |
| 18:23.33 | efazati | jhutchins_lt, so just shut up ... :D there is np |
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| 18:34.47 | kesroesweyth | Is anyone good with the chroot functionality built into openssh-server? |
| 18:35.37 | qdb | i have connected adsl ethernet cabel to debian without gui, login as root there, and pppoeconf says no such command. what should i do? |
| 18:35.53 | kesroesweyth | I have a dir that only members of a particular group have access to, and that group also has no shell access, only sftp, but I need my user account to have access to that same dir, and still have shell access too. |
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| 18:36.15 | kesroesweyth | qdb, get a router. |
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| 18:38.15 | qdb | kesroesweyth, i think it is made so because adsl is not used with servers usually. then i share inet from this comp then install pppoeconf, for future needs. btw this comp is hacked but as i know packages have gpg signs and no problem |
| 18:39.23 | kesroesweyth | get a router :) |
| 18:40.02 | qdb | kesroesweyth, you mean adsl with 2 eth outputs? i do not want to buy |
| 18:40.33 | kesroesweyth | I mean hook your modem up to a router, then configure your pppoe client in the router instead of your debian system. |
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| 18:41.59 | qdb | kesroesweyth, once i wanted to know out how to access to my modems configs there was some answer to me but i have still not checked that completely... |
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| 18:46.50 | Iridos | " and still have shell access too."? |
| 18:46.51 | qdb | kreign, you said about allowing only ttyS0 , then you mean boot to root without password also should be disabled? does disallowing dev tty-s in etc security access conf affect that passwordless login ( from grub menu) ? |
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| 18:47.21 | kesroesweyth | Iridos, yes. other members of the group do not have shell access. only sftp. |
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| 18:48.28 | Iridos | oh, you mean you can't add the user to the group because ssh access is limited via the group membership? |
| 18:48.39 | kreign | qdb, do some reasearch, I'm not going to do your job for you |
| 18:48.46 | kesroesweyth | yes, per /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 18:49.05 | qdb | kreign, ok but it is not job just interesting and learning |
| 18:49.42 | Iridos | aha... seems you put yourself a bit into an sac-de-cule there |
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| 18:50.21 | Iridos | who's the owner of the directory? if your account is the only acception, you could have it as owner of the directory, everyone else accesses it via the group |
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| 18:51.27 | kreign | qdb, busy atm. |
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| 18:52.50 | kesroesweyth | Iridos, well for the chroot to work, the directory has to be owned by root:root, but within that, I could try setting the writable directory to me:thatgroup |
| 18:53.29 | Iridos | or you could have a 2nd account you su to with that group after you sshd into it? |
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| 18:54.13 | Iridos | hm... or possibly you can add the user to the group and reconfigure sshd_config to treat your account differently... |
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| 18:54.47 | Iridos | not sure how precedence of conflicting directives in sshd_config is handled |
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| 18:56.09 | Iridos | mmh The allow/deny directives are processed in the following order: DenyUsers, AllowUsers, DenyGroups, and finally AllowGroups. |
| 18:56.31 | talexb | Where can I find more information on debuild? The -uc and -us options don't appear to be documented in the man page. |
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| 18:57.36 | Iridos | talexb, they're dpkg-buildpackage options |
| 18:58.13 | Iridos | (see line 1 of SYNOPSIS) |
| 18:58.13 | talexb | Iridos, Ah, thanks. |
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| 19:01.56 | kesroesweyth | Iridos, well above the 'match group thatgroup', i could do a 'match user me', but I don't know what I'd specify there. do you? |
| 19:02.14 | kesroesweyth | Iridos, id basically want it to say don't do the stuff below, even though im in the group below. is that possible? |
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| 19:13.16 | qdb | kesroesweyth, passw said in http://smartinfo.com.my/IT/PC_Hardware/TM_Net_Streamyx_ZTE_ZXDXL_831_Modem.htm and http://koneksen.com/modem/zte-zxdsl-831/ do not work/match |
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| 19:13.51 | kesroesweyth | meaning what, qdb? |
| 19:14.15 | qdb | i write ADSL expert03 and ADSL ADSL but cannot login |
| 19:14.30 | kesroesweyth | Oh, I see, your modem functions as a router as well. |
| 19:14.50 | qdb | i think may be my provider's modems has special password |
| 19:14.56 | kesroesweyth | You tried both u:p combos? They are probably case sensitive. |
| 19:15.02 | qdb | yes |
| 19:15.10 | kesroesweyth | You could reset it... |
| 19:15.20 | qdb | i have |
| 19:15.30 | kesroesweyth | weird |
| 19:15.56 | qdb | i pressed it several seconds and after that modem page did not work a while |
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| 19:16.58 | kesroesweyth | Call your ISP? |
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| 19:17.31 | qdb | kesroesweyth, ok |
| 19:17.45 | qdb | kesroesweyth, but would that way work better than pppoeconf? |
| 19:17.45 | Midnigh2ker | evening people. is there any easy way to enable jfs support without rebuilding my own kernel? |
| 19:18.57 | kesroesweyth | qdb, ive never used pppoeconf, but I imagine it will work just as well. |
| 19:18.58 | qdb | kesroesweyth, my provider specially turns off adsl connection 1 time a day, may be this is secret, by network is down with default configuration after that , but i have managed to configure pppd so that it automatically reconnects |
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| 19:20.59 | kesroesweyth | is afk |
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| 19:21.02 | qdb | kesroesweyth, http://broadbandforum.in/bsnl-broadband/20261-bsnl-broadband-zte-zxdsl-831aii/ says passw and name is "admin" |
| 19:21.47 | qdb | also other google results |
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| 19:22.14 | qdb | i turn off network and will not see your answer |
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| 19:23.13 | qdb | i need not! |
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| 19:25.20 | qdb | that passw works |
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| 19:29.05 | converge | my vm is slow, didnt made the bridge thing work, im thinking about beign reading a new tutorial to install on linux host a linux guest using debian, someone have a suggestion of a tutorial ? |
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| 19:33.43 | DrArcheh | what could cause a tap device to be UP, but not running? |
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| 19:37.56 | hikenboot | http://pastebin.com/G9wwwP5s <<<---my iscsi lun configuration....no lun's appear...anyone able to help? |
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| 19:41.47 | iman | I am trying to change user password in terminal but I get strange message, it says Current Kerberos password: what is this password ? |
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| 19:44.19 | hikenboot | iman: looks like its looking for a microsoft domain username /password |
| 19:45.34 | iman | hikenboot, http://dpaste.com/670945/ |
| 19:46.13 | hikenboot | try administrator of your domain |
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| 19:47.08 | iman | hikenboot, I have VPS, should I connect to admin server? |
| 19:47.13 | hikenboot | kerbos is the encrytion sceme that microsoft uses |
| 19:47.16 | boudiccas | on squeeze, how do you change your password please? |
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| 19:47.32 | iman | passwd |
| 19:47.38 | Iridos | passwd, like the last 10 years before :) |
| 19:47.45 | jelly-home | s/10/30/ |
| 19:47.58 | Iridos | true |
| 19:48.16 | hikenboot | passwd <username> |
| 19:48.22 | jelly-home | no, just passwd |
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| 19:48.35 | boudiccas | iman; Iridos thanks, done! |
| 19:49.02 | jelly-home | hikenboot: your syntax is reserved for root only |
| 19:49.25 | hikenboot | try pwconv and try again |
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| 19:51.18 | jelly-home | hikenboot: that would not be a smart idea. Debian defaults to shadow already. |
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| 19:53.09 | netman1 | Hi All. Like a lot of people, I run around with a laptop, connecting to the net from all over and miss a lot of talk on certain irc channels. What program should I run permanently on a vps to monitor channels and can I connect to that program later, readup, and rejoin? |
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| 19:54.01 | jaja911 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.04 | jelly-home | netman1: znc seems a popular choice |
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| 19:54.16 | hikenboot | jelly-home his problem is that it thinks inman has a kerbos password system |
| 19:54.24 | Iridos | I thought irssi+screen is popular |
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| 19:54.50 | thewanderer1 | znc is fine... dircproxy too but has its quirks |
| 19:55.00 | jelly-home | if one wants to run the irc client remotely, sure |
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| 19:55.41 | orudie | can anyone recommend an open source VOIP phone system for small office ? |
| 19:55.47 | netman1 | jelly-home, Iridos, thewanderer1: thanks for the tips, enough to start. |
| 19:55.47 | Iridos | jelly-home, well... possibly together with irssi_proxy |
| 19:56.12 | Iridos | but I tried&hated it as a reconnecting client wouldn't get the history |
| 19:56.30 | Iridos | so you have to log in anyway to see what happened in the time you were not there |
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| 19:56.32 | thewanderer1 | orudie, Asterisk is the only widely-used VOIP software package these days :P |
| 19:57.03 | technologov_ | except Skype :) |
| 19:57.19 | Iridos | dpkg, lart technologov_ |
| 19:57.19 | dpkg | blasts technologov_ to oblivion with a kamehameha wave |
| 19:57.28 | technologov_ | ha ha |
| 19:57.56 | hikenboot | iman: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-integrate-windows-active-directory-and-samba-in-ubuntu.html <<---i THINK this might help you! |
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| 20:01.17 | iman | hikenboot, i am reading it, thanks |
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| 20:01.43 | hikenboot | that to me is what it appears is setup on your system...not sure if there is a better debian doc..hope it helps |
| 20:02.51 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: freeswitch ? |
| 20:03.30 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home, hmm, that an Asterisk appliance? |
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| 20:03.52 | jelly-home | nope. It's a different open sauce pbx |
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| 20:04.40 | jelly-home | http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Specsheet |
| 20:05.10 | bjacob | Hi, I am using the mozilla-provided build of Firefox, how can I make it the default browser in debian (as in update-alternatives) ? |
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| 20:06.08 | abrotman | bjacob: you'd have to add it to the alternatives system, then config the alternative |
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| 20:06.27 | bjacob | abrotman: any docs to add a custom app to the alternatives? |
| 20:06.46 | abrotman | bjacob: if you need an example of how to configure x-www-browser .. look at another browser's postinst script |
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| 20:06.54 | bjacob | ok |
| 20:06.56 | bjacob | thanks |
| 20:07.14 | abrotman | that's probably the easiest ..t he man page isn't super straight forward on adding your own last i looked |
| 20:07.30 | netman1 | Bonjour/Avahi: trying to create a 'walk-in network' and automatically publish websites in it. How do I register and publish multiple websites on the same ip address? Tried avahi-hosts, mod-dnssd and pybonjour. No luck: avahi/bonjour do not allow same ip address twice. Anyone a bright idea? |
| 20:07.31 | bjacob | ok |
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| 20:09.52 | Tekk_ | any timeframe available for gnome 3.2 hitting testing?(or even sid, thanks to apt pinning) |
| 20:10.03 | abrotman | Tekk_: it already did |
| 20:10.33 | abrotman | judd: versions gnome-shell |
| 20:10.34 | judd | Package: gnome-shell on i386 -- wheezy: 3.0.2-8; sid: 3.0.2-8+b1; experimental: 3.2.1-7+b1 |
| 20:10.40 | Tekk_ | ah |
| 20:10.44 | abrotman | or i thought .. i guess i was wrong .. |
| 20:10.46 | abrotman | can't read |
| 20:10.59 | Tekk_ | abrotman: yeah, |
| 20:11.00 | abrotman | so apparently the answer is not unless you do the exp dance |
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| 20:11.24 | Tekk_ | i was really confused when you said that since I literally had packages.debian.org up and checked, gnome was at 3.0+6 in unstable |
| 20:11.45 | abrotman | Tekk_: i blame lunch beers :) |
| 20:11.48 | Tekk_ | maybe I could give pinning experimental a shot |
| 20:12.10 | abrotman | oh sure .. what could go wrong |
| 20:12.12 | abrotman | !gnome3 |
| 20:12.12 | dpkg | GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian testing and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.2-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>, <gnome-shell>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2011/04/msg00111.html |
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| 20:12.58 | technologov_ | Will Debian users like GNOME3 ? |
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| 20:13.39 | netman1 | technologov_: Does it have a prompt? (kidding...) |
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| 20:13.47 | Tekk_ | technologov_: I know I like it |
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| 20:14.02 | Woet | there isn't anything to do to get ipv6 support on squeeze right? |
| 20:14.09 | pizza_biz | depends. have they succeeded in making it not suck? (never been a fan of gnome to start with.) |
| 20:14.41 | Iridos | netman1, it has a prompt? \o/ |
| 20:14.47 | Tekk_ | pizza_biz: if you thought gnome 2 sucks then you'll hate 3 even more |
| 20:14.49 | technologov_ | Woet, just use 'ping6' - it works. |
| 20:15.00 | Woet | technologov_: unfortunately not, that's why i'm asking :) |
| 20:15.19 | technologov_ | no problems here. |
| 20:15.28 | Woet | oh, it's working on many other machines, just not this one |
| 20:15.32 | Woet | so maybe i forgot enabling something |
| 20:15.36 | technologov_ | ping6 localhost |
| 20:15.40 | netman1 | technologov_: I would be tempted to put a big # on the background by default ;_) |
| 20:15.56 | Woet | tht works fine too technologov_ |
| 20:16.10 | pizza_biz | eh, i've debated it, but i don't think i have any debian boxen running graphical desktops anyhow. |
| 20:16.10 | Woet | pinging my own ipv6 ip works too, just not the gateway |
| 20:16.16 | Woet | but the gateway pings from any other host |
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| 20:18.01 | Tekk_ | anyone know of unofficial repos that'd provide 3.2? |
| 20:18.09 | Tekk_ | (like qt-kde.debian.net, but for gnome |
| 20:18.25 | Tekk_ | so gtk-gnome.debian.net, I guess, even though that doesn't exis |
| 20:18.27 | Tekk_ | t |
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| 20:18.51 | eoliva | hello, I'm trying to load a crypto token in my kernel 3.0 under debian but my linux can't see this new device...here are the messages I got from "udevadm monitor" and "dmesg": http://pastebin.com/WTqZpykW |
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| 20:21.07 | simonlnu | i think it's pkg-gnome anyway |
| 20:21.12 | qdb | hello |
| 20:21.17 | iman | hikenboot, #apt-get remove purge libpam-krb5 |
| 20:21.22 | iman | hikenboot, #apt-get remove -purge libpam-krb5 |
| 20:21.36 | qdb | kesroesweyth, "ip route add default via 192.168.1.1" says .... answers no such process |
| 20:21.58 | qdb | do i need that right? in this comp it works |
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| 20:22.32 | qdb | fix: i do need that, right? |
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| 20:24.09 | qdb | "ip addr add 192.168.1.100/24 dev eth0" vs "ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.100" |
| 20:25.53 | qdb | i disconnect |
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| 20:28.20 | dioz | i ball so hard |
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| 20:29.47 | danielja | is there a tool to browse installed fonts? |
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| 20:35.01 | hthg_ | i'm working on up-to-date wheezy with gnome3, and empathy notifications don't show up at all. Has this happened to anyone else? |
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| 20:36.09 | hikenboot | iman: you figured it out? apt-get remove libpam-krb5? |
| 20:36.43 | iman | hikenboot, yes, when I removed it, everything goes well |
| 20:37.11 | hikenboot | great glad to here it |
| 20:37.14 | hikenboot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:37.38 | hikenboot | I have been stuck on this for 2 days..not sure what I am doing wrong...someone..? |
| 20:39.19 | Woet | "Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces"... so what should I run instead? |
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| 20:40.14 | jhutchins_lt | Woet: Describe your network configuration please. |
| 20:40.30 | Woet | jhutchins_lt: eth0 + tagged VLANs (vlan1000, vlan1001, etc) |
| 20:41.15 | jhutchins_lt | Don't know much about tagged vlans or how you set them up. |
| 20:41.31 | thewanderer1 | Woet, you run ifdown and ifup manually for all interfaces you need instead |
| 20:41.45 | Woet | thewanderer1: and how do I do so without losing connection to a box 6000 miles away? |
| 20:42.06 | jhutchins_lt | Woet: the networking script restarts static configured interfaces defined in the interface file. Things that are managed by network-manager or other utilities, particularly from userspace, are not controlled by it.\ |
| 20:42.22 | Woet | jhutchins_lt: all my interfaces are in the interface file |
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| 20:42.36 | jhutchins_lt | Woet: In that case a restart should work, but try it and see. |
| 20:42.42 | Woet | i tried it |
| 20:42.44 | Woet | and saw i lost connectivity |
| 20:42.45 | Woet | :) |
| 20:42.51 | Woet | on all interfaces |
| 20:43.15 | jhutchins_lt | Well, yes, you would, but it should come back. |
| 20:43.18 | thewanderer1 | Woet, you're supposed to run it in a screen session or something like that - when a script gets SIGHUP, it exits, leaving you with no connection |
| 20:43.35 | thewanderer1 | or at least background it with &, but I'm not sure if it works |
| 20:43.37 | Woet | well, i ran /etc/init.d/networking restart countless times in lenny without any issues |
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| 20:43.53 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: There you go making assumptions again. |
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| 20:43.53 | Woet | jhutchins_lt: not since i asked my question |
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| 20:45.00 | thewanderer1 | I imagine an ifdown $iface; ifup $iface; in a detached screen session could work |
| 20:45.22 | eni23 | what the hell is wrong with debian? after i tried 4! times to install wheezy it finnally installs whitout errors. (now only english.us). but when it starts just gets a weird screen image (i tryed squeeze before, works whitout problems but no way to get radeon hd6320m working. does nomeone knows help? please? the rescue mode is the same thing |
| 20:46.08 | thewanderer1 | eni23, testing is full of bugs, eh? try stable (Squeeze) with packages from backports, especially the radeonhd driver |
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| 20:47.40 | eni23 | i tryed for over one day (8-10h of triing) to get it working, no way. forum told me to update to wheezy |
| 20:48.45 | eni23 | thewanderer1: it not an old, it a really new device. it on the market for 6-8 months now. so no way with backports |
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| 20:49.25 | thewanderer1 | eni23, backports enable support for *new* devices, not for ancient hardware :P |
| 20:49.27 | eni23 | radeonhd, fglrx and the driver from ati does not see any device in debian squeeze (kernel too old?) |
| 20:49.58 | thewanderer1 | !tell eni23 about backports |
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| 20:51.33 | hikenboot | since noone in here can help anyone have suggestion where to go for help? |
| 20:51.35 | eni23 | thewanderer1: i have no idea how to start. so i have to reinstall squeeze and add backports in my list |
| 20:51.49 | eni23 | then install radeonhd and add to xorg.conf? |
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| 20:53.03 | thewanderer1 | eni23, you don't need to write your own xorg.conf if using the default driver - and yes, you'll need to install Squeeze, enable backports, then upgrade to xserver-xorg from backports and preferably take the kernel from backports too |
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| 20:53.51 | thewanderer1 | you might try upgrading to Wheezy later (if backports don't work), but it's like gambling, you might be in luck or the system might break horribly |
| 20:54.31 | gnarface | no, its not like gambling. when you're gambling the house is required by law to post the odds. |
| 20:54.36 | eni23 | thewanderer1: omg sounds like a lot of work. tryed to update from squeeze to wheezy but too many dpkg errors, it stopped |
| 20:54.48 | gnarface | its more like russian roulette, where everyone's drunk and nobody gets to look in the gun |
| 20:55.17 | eni23 | and i dont really know if the radeonhd really works for the hd6320m googled alot found not much |
| 20:55.20 | thewanderer1 | eni23, backports first, then Wheezy as a last resort (you need to know what you're doing if going the Wheezy route, indeed) |
| 20:55.38 | thewanderer1 | eni23, if it does not, you'll at least be able to install their proprietary driver |
| 20:55.46 | gnarface | when i'm working with experimental hardware, i just go sid all the way. cause what's the point otherwise, really? |
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| 20:56.52 | eni23 | thewanderer1: wheezy seems not to work for this device for now. like i said tried alot and everythime errors or bader |
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| 20:57.33 | egoga | Hello? |
| 20:57.44 | gnarface | hello |
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| 20:57.50 | thewanderer1 | eni23, I don't have any ATi hardware to test on right now - see what backports can do |
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| 20:58.05 | egoga | How do I get 96xx or 173xx nvidia cards working in wheezy |
| 20:58.06 | eni23 | i dont like to work alot on such things. on my desktop everything works like a charm. and i need the laptop for working not playing with debian |
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| 20:58.29 | egoga | I have 290.10 installed, but wheezy doesn't have .debs for nvidia-kernel-legacy. do I have to compile the .debs myself |
| 20:58.36 | eni23 | thewanderer1: im installing squeeze right now :) |
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| 20:58.48 | egoga | I am stuck with command prompt wheezy |
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| 20:59.34 | egoga | Dec 9 05:13:03 twelve kernel: [ 9.312468] NVRM: The NVIDIA GeForce2 MX/MX 400 GPU installed in this system is |
| 20:59.37 | egoga | Dec 9 05:13:03 twelve kernel: [ 9.312479] NVRM: information. The 290.10 NVIDIA driver will ignore |
| 20:59.40 | egoga | Dec 9 05:13:03 twelve kernel: [ 9.312473] NVRM: supported through the NVIDIA 96.43.xx Legacy drivers. Please |
| 20:59.43 | egoga | Dec 9 05:13:03 twelve kernel: [ 9.312476] NVRM: visit http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html for more |
| 20:59.47 | egoga | Dec 9 05:13:03 twelve kernel: [ 9.312481] NVRM: this GPU. Continuing probe... |
| 20:59.50 | egoga | Dec 9 05:13:03 twelve kernel: [ 9.312499] NVRM: No NVIDIA graphics adapter found! |
| 20:59.53 | egoga | Dec 9 05:13:03 twelve kernel: [ 13.050185] NVRM: The NVIDIA GeForce2 MX/MX 400 GPU installed in this system is |
| 20:59.55 | egoga | Dec 9 05:13:03 twelve kernel: [ 13.050190] NVRM: supported through the NVIDIA 96.43.xx Legacy drivers. PleaseTerminated |
| 21:00.05 | converge | egoga: congratulations ! |
| 21:00.10 | converge | we love flood |
| 21:00.33 | thewanderer1 | egoga, nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-dkms is the package you seek - and remove the one you have first please |
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| 21:01.08 | converge | I set an ip address but i cant ping to my gateway, can somoone help me? |
| 21:01.23 | gnarface | how'd he get away with that? |
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| 21:01.56 | eni23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.59 | thewanderer1 | gnarface, his client was applying intervals :P |
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| 21:02.33 | lduros | In general do batteries last longer without needing to plug a laptop with Debian or with, say, Window Vista or Windows 7? |
| 21:02.35 | eni23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.41 | converge | eni23: debian eth0 on a guest hosted by kvm doing bridge |
| 21:02.57 | converge | eni23: static on /etc/network/inferfaces |
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| 21:03.06 | eni23 | converge: is the iface up? |
| 21:03.29 | gnarface | lduros: under default configuration you mean? depends on the week. otherwise it just depends on whether you know how to save power |
| 21:03.35 | converge | eni23: yes, i can ping myself (10.1.1.77) but not 10.1.1.1 (gateway |
| 21:03.50 | thewanderer1 | lduros, in general, I manage to get roughly the same runtime between Debian Squeeze+backports amd64 and Windows 7 "x64" |
| 21:03.56 | egoga | E: Invalid operation nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-dkms |
| 21:04.14 | egoga | it says it has no installation candidate |
| 21:04.15 | eni23 | converge: whats about the settings in kvm (i dont really know these) |
| 21:04.20 | abrotman | egoga: install ? |
| 21:04.34 | egoga | yes |
| 21:04.44 | converge | eni23: just did qemu-system-x86_64 debian.img -net nic |
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| 21:04.52 | egoga | I'm in wheezy right now and even went to packages.debian.com and there is no nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-dkms package for wheezy |
| 21:04.55 | egoga | only for squeeze\ |
| 21:05.07 | converge | eni23: my config is on host os is http://cl.ly/3A1M2o2U0Y27330N283O |
| 21:05.11 | eni23 | converge: ohm i dont really know qemu :) |
| 21:05.14 | egoga | Then I went to the nvidia website to get a .run package which won't extract right |
| 21:05.15 | thewanderer1 | converge, -net nic does not bridge by itself, you need a little more than that (-net tap) |
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| 21:05.24 | eni23 | better use virtualbox or vmware |
| 21:05.28 | thewanderer1 | hell no |
| 21:05.52 | technologov | loves virtualbox |
| 21:05.59 | thewanderer1 | converge, I recommend that you use a front-end for KVM such as virt-manager and libvirt-bin |
| 21:06.05 | egoga | It keeps saying "Received signal SIGTERM; aborting." |
| 21:06.16 | egoga | when I run the package: |
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| 21:06.17 | technologov | virtualbox is open-source. |
| 21:06.21 | egoga | -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17158448 Dec 9 16:03 /NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.20-pkg1.run |
| 21:06.31 | technologov | And has better GUI than others. |
| 21:06.36 | eni23 | thewanderer1: i know cosed source etc. but this two products just works and are much more powerful than qemu |
| 21:06.54 | eni23 | technologov: no, not the good one |
| 21:06.59 | hikenboot | technologov: i agree its a good product however there are many other better hypervisors out there |
| 21:07.01 | jhutchins_lt | !nvidia |
| 21:07.01 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 21:07.21 | hikenboot | but i agree its better than vmware server |
| 21:07.25 | thewanderer1 | eni23, also, they bring in a *crapload* of bugs, so much that the kernel devs decided to taint a kernel that runs VBox modules with a "crap" flag. |
| 21:07.26 | jhutchins_lt | egoga: I wouldn't be surprized if third party closed source programs didn't run on a version of Debian that's not released yet. |
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| 21:07.46 | egoga | guess what |
| 21:07.49 | converge | thewanderer1: i'll check they. my bridge config is ok, i did qemu-system-x86_64 debian.img -net nic -net tap -vnc :1 but i cant connect to vnc anymore and cant ping to the guest os, should i use a vm manager to try to fix it? |
| 21:08.06 | jhutchins_lt | egoga: If you're going to run testing you'll probably have to run the xorg drivers. |
| 21:08.08 | egoga | I went to http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers, but want to know what? It says make VERSION "-legacy-96xx" |
| 21:08.11 | technologov | thewanderer1, KVM is more buggy. |
| 21:08.22 | technologov | So they should put 'crap' flag on it as well.. |
| 21:08.23 | egoga | But it doesn't say WHERE do set VERSION "-legacy-96xx" to make the 290.10 drivers compatible |
| 21:08.31 | thewanderer1 | converge, VNC should be working just fine (but are you sure you're connecting to localhost? hint: VNC does not listen on the guest's IP) |
| 21:08.31 | egoga | okay |
| 21:08.34 | egoga | how do I run the xorg drivers |
| 21:08.38 | Morgawr | question: earlier today I successfully compiled my own debian kernel, however when I installed the .deb for the kernel it didn't give me a custom name and now I have linux-kernel-2.6.32 whereas I wanted 2.6.32-my-patch |
| 21:08.41 | egoga | And will it do at least 800x600 until I get this thing working |
| 21:08.43 | thewanderer1 | converge, re -net tap, how is it supposed to guess which bridge you want? |
| 21:08.47 | hikenboot | technologov: I have 20 VM's running on KVM work fine |
| 21:08.49 | Morgawr | what command do I have to launch to compile it so it install with the right kernel name? |
| 21:08.58 | technologov | I have 50 VMs on VBox - very stable. :) |
| 21:08.59 | Morgawr | I used this: make KDEB_PKGVERSION=custom.1.0 deb-pkg |
| 21:09.03 | eni23 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:09.15 | technologov | so.. ? u see ? |
| 21:09.20 | egoga | !dpkg xorg |
| 21:09.20 | dpkg | X.Org X11 is the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2 and first included in Debian <Etch>. The release packaged for Squeeze is X11R7.5. To install, ask me about <install x>. To configure, ask me about <xorg config>. To remove, ask about <remove x>. Backports for Squeeze are available, ask about <bdo xorg>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQ #xorg on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:09.29 | egoga | !dpkg xorg drivers |
| 21:09.36 | hikenboot | vbox is not a class 1 hypervisor...running that number of VM's on a class 2 hypervisor must lead to some performance loss |
| 21:09.49 | technologov | do u have perf. numbers ? |
| 21:09.58 | technologov | Without numbers - discussion is theoretical. |
| 21:10.01 | thewanderer1 | hint hint: we're debugging a KVM user problem here, not recommending alternatives :) |
| 21:10.03 | eni23 | hikenboot: vmware? |
| 21:10.50 | eni23 | converge: did it work with other vm's? |
| 21:10.55 | thewanderer1 | Morgawr, in the kernel config, there's an option that sets this - just look around |
| 21:11.03 | hikenboot | VMWare ESXi is the best around for class 1 hypervisors followed by commercial Xen, and then by Hyper-V or KVM it gets a little hairy at that point |
| 21:11.11 | egoga | Did you know that you make me feel like doing this: |
| 21:11.18 | egoga | ¦ö»r?>äxĨþ}±ñ?ûQ?ns²9æçòáÖë |
| 21:11.20 | hikenboot | somewhere open source xen is in the mix as well |
| 21:11.23 | egoga | ºvNâ»k¢zj²i*ÜtQöÛL¶jÃ>r¢Î5ҰªɆվ[\ÕÇåm!ÔÜyû<0'â\"ºk!¡懙ä4_d¸?!ú¬íÇÛÌüÃsGÈ-I?ô.;GâêzHà!1x@+t²Þ |
| 21:11.26 | egoga | ëoù¹YX¢(D¡XÃVw}'©ä۸#Kôs¼æȂ8_7òÌô½Bl£1»E"h8|!òÆøû§ýÞhNZô]jæê{ðú5@㨠|
| 21:11.29 | egoga | G¼Rsgâk¬òvÉdY"(y£z7¶¾Eͮ*Z¯ü9ÁêdèSïËq |
| 21:11.31 | technologov | ??? |
| 21:11.32 | technologov | OMG |
| 21:11.33 | jelly-home | !ops egoga |
| 21:11.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: egoga |
| 21:11.35 | Zharf | o.O |
| 21:11.37 | egoga | yeah, well |
| 21:11.41 | technologov | I can't read it !!! egoga |
| 21:11.44 | egoga | No one's telling me how to set up X with xorg drivers |
| 21:11.47 | eni23 | converge: did u suspend and restore the machine? |
| 21:11.50 | converge | thewanderer1: do i need more than -net nic -net tap ? |
| 21:11.55 | Morgawr | thank god I /ignore'd egoga |
| 21:11.58 | converge | eni23: no, im just with kvm |
| 21:12.07 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 21:12.08 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 21:12.18 | mentor | Decisive action. |
| 21:12.39 | egoga | Ralph roh |
| 21:12.41 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 21:12.43 | egoga | And will it do at least 800x600 until I get this thing working |
| 21:12.48 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!~egoga@pool-108-11-229-51.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net] by mentor |
| 21:12.49 | thewanderer1 | converge, probably yes; -net tap uses a script for adding ifaces to bridges (see the manpage). or you can add the iface yourself (brctl addif...) |
| 21:12.49 | eni23 | converge: but think its possible there? |
| 21:12.53 | Morgawr | thewanderer1: I understand it's in the kernel config, but how can I set it when I compile in a single command? I remember it was a compilation flag or something |
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| 21:12.56 | jelly-home | thank you, mentor |
| 21:12.58 | Morgawr | I used to do that with gentoo at least afaik |
| 21:13.07 | hikenboot | it appears my debian box is listening on port 3260 but still i cant connect to any of the ISCSI targets |
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| 21:13.30 | converge | thewanderer1: thats cleared my mind |
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| 21:13.41 | converge | eni23: what is possible..? |
| 21:13.55 | eni23 | converge:to suspend? |
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| 21:14.07 | technologov | eni23, so in short - I recommend vbox. |
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| 21:14.19 | technologov | and can help with this :) |
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| 21:15.29 | hikenboot | technologov: i dont know how you can make a blanket recommendation for a class 2 hypervisor...dont get me wrong I use vbox for some things but its still a class 2 hypervisor... |
| 21:15.40 | converge | im using kvm because its a production server and i need performance |
| 21:15.52 | technologov | and ? KVM is also type 2? |
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| 21:15.56 | technologov | it is. |
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| 21:16.33 | hikenboot | well actually its somewhere between because you can run it with Just enough operating system to run it..a gui is not necessary |
| 21:16.58 | technologov | I can make recommendation to because I believe consolidation the OSS community around vbox does more good than spreading community across several virtualizers. |
| 21:17.09 | hikenboot | converge: have you used debian iscsi with that ? |
| 21:17.28 | technologov | I believe having KVM/Xen/Vbox/UML/... is a waste of resources. (dev + testing) |
| 21:17.30 | hikenboot | I am in a world of hurt with a iscis target problem on debian |
| 21:17.32 | eni23 | when my squeeze is installing i've got another question: i have a pos-touchscreen pc. touchscreen doesnt work. the manufacter mailed me a driver and a pdf but ist really old and seems weird. i tried, no way. they send me x-server-input-drivers but in .o format, no source and no .so. so what to do? (i wrote a little python script that reads the device, and wrap pos to xpointer. but its not really smoot) |
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| 21:17.51 | converge | hikenboot: never.. |
| 21:17.52 | zykotick9 | wonders if his clock/date is wrong - says Fri but #d is reading like a Sunday |
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| 21:18.57 | hikenboot | ANY new comers of last half hour use debian and iscsi target...I am having trouble getting mine working |
| 21:18.58 | zykotick9 | technologov, the OpenSource community should not be consolidating on VBox that's for sure. |
| 21:19.01 | thewanderer1 | converge, on a server you should definitely try libvirt - I used to go with custom 2000-char-long-line wrapper scripts, but they just didn't cut it |
| 21:19.28 | eni23 | i tried gcc lo link but then xorg.log is full of "undefined symbol in blah blah" |
| 21:19.37 | technologov | zykotick9, why not ? VBox has *all* the features one may want or need. Others do not. |
| 21:19.47 | thewanderer1 | eni23, proprietary drivers? you're screwed |
| 21:19.51 | technologov | KVM/Xen lack critical features |
| 21:20.10 | eni23 | thewanderer1: jes, just two .o files and a lousy pdf |
| 21:20.14 | technologov | such as ability to move VMs to Windows or Mac desktops. |
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| 21:20.38 | converge | thewanderer1: is it easier to set up a bridge network using libvirt ? |
| 21:20.57 | thewanderer1 | converge, a LOT |
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| 21:21.14 | tdubellz | eh egoga |
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| 21:21.55 | Valtam | I have a file I made executable before I uploaded it to the net. When a friend downloads that file off the net it is no longer executable. Is there a way to make it 'permanently' executable? |
| 21:22.03 | thewanderer1 | Valtam, no. |
| 21:22.08 | Valtam | damn |
| 21:22.24 | thewanderer1 | hey, it's a *feature* :) |
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| 21:22.32 | Valtam | lol |
| 21:22.39 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.40 | peterS | / \ |
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| 21:23.03 | eni23 | i'm reading this:http://www.x.org/wiki/Development/Documentation/XorgInputHOWTO right now. im not really good (or have 0 experience) in dissasembling .o-files. where to start? |
| 21:23.49 | pizza_biz | depends on how it's downloaded. http won't retain permissions. if this friend is given a login for sftp or rsync, you should be able to retain the executable bit. |
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| 21:24.07 | Valtam | ah I see, its actually hosted on Sourceforge |
| 21:24.26 | pizza_biz | wrap it in a tarball. |
| 21:24.31 | eni23 | Valta$: pack it in a tar.gz and permissions will be saved |
| 21:24.45 | Valtam | ok thanks folks :) |
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| 21:25.36 | hikenboot | anyone in here using kvm know if there is userland tools for KVM? |
| 21:25.56 | eni23 | those /dev/input/by-id/**-devices are they created by the kernel? |
| 21:26.20 | technologov | qemu :) |
| 21:27.42 | pizza_biz | irritating. i see "kvm" and my first thought is still always keyboard-video-mouse. |
| 21:27.43 | thewanderer1 | eni23, I believe it's udev which creates them |
| 21:28.17 | thewanderer1 | hikenboot, KVM is actually the userland tool for KVM (or, more recently, renamed to qemu-kvm) |
| 21:28.36 | eni23 | i just wrote a little c-prog that reads from that device. looks loke it sends a lot x-values but really rare y-values |
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| 21:28.46 | eni23 | that's a problem |
| 21:30.55 | hikenboot | thewanderer1: but nothing is installed in the guests like in ESXi, Xen, or Hyper-v? |
| 21:31.22 | converge | thewanderer1: im going home, thank you for you support ! |
| 21:31.31 | eni23 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:31.52 | thewanderer1 | hikenboot, if you want paravirt drivers (for faster disk/network/etc in guest), you obviously need to have them in the guest... but they've been in mainline Linux since Squeeze's release or earlier I think |
| 21:32.03 | thewanderer1 | so if you run Squeeze inside KVM, you're already fine |
| 21:32.13 | hikenboot | what about windows VMs? |
| 21:32.42 | thewanderer1 | hikenboot, they work fine with standard emulated hardware... rtl8139, Intel chipset equivalent etc. - it's a real VM, no scam :) |
| 21:33.00 | thewanderer1 | (e1000 should work too, never really tried) |
| 21:33.12 | eni23 | hikenboot: they work the best with vmware imho |
| 21:33.22 | hikenboot | it does appear to be fine but I am still surprised there is no guest tools |
| 21:33.32 | thewanderer1 | hikenboot, because you don't *need* them :P |
| 21:33.47 | hikenboot | ok I will take your word for it.. |
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| 21:34.08 | hikenboot | it becomes a problem to shutdown the guests.. |
| 21:34.15 | thewanderer1 | how so? |
| 21:34.25 | hikenboot | have to goto the guest themsellves to shutdown gracefully |
| 21:34.36 | thewanderer1 | or send them an ACPI poweroff signal, which KVM supports |
| 21:34.55 | thewanderer1 | (equivalent of pressing the power button) |
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| 21:35.42 | hikenboot | thewanderer1: ever get SunOS working on kvm? |
| 21:35.57 | jhutchins_lt | pizza_biz: Second the motion on KVM. Guess we're a couple of fossils these days. |
| 21:36.00 | converge | thewanderer1: can i use libvirt just having a console without x? |
| 21:36.23 | abrotman | him again?! |
| 21:36.34 | thewanderer1 | hikenboot, I don't even remember SunOS, but I did run Nexenta and OpenSolaris |
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| 21:37.43 | thewanderer1 | converge, yes, you can, full functionality is supported - although it's much less convenient than launching virt-manager |
| 21:37.46 | jhutchins_lt | I wonder if we might redirect this conversation back towards Debian support. If we want to continue on alternate OSs and VM systems we could do so in #debian-offtopic |
| 21:37.47 | hikenboot | well i was refering to the live cd for nexenta...I am using something called proxmox and looking for the grub command line kernel options to get it running...someone used http://pastebin.com/HxSx4PFZ to get it working on straight kvm..but wanted to translate it to a kernel boot line |
| 21:37.56 | kleanchap | I have some mp3 songs playlist which I would like to play by cron. How do I play a playlist via cron? The playlist was created by RythymBox. |
| 21:37.56 | eni23 | someone please could tell me which packagres from backports i have to install? |
| 21:38.08 | thewanderer1 | converge, virt-manager can connect to a remote libvirt |
| 21:38.18 | eni23 | i dont want to try and try and make a unclean system again |
| 21:38.27 | Jeremy-| | I'm attempting to install debian on a supermicro 626t, which has an intel 82576 gigabit network adapter in it which I don't see listed in the network adpater list via install, does anyone know if there are drivers for it? |
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| 21:38.43 | converge | thewanderer1: there is virt-manager for mac? |
| 21:38.53 | thewanderer1 | converge, no idea, go and check :P |
| 21:39.05 | hikenboot | Jeremy-|: did you check on supermicro's site? |
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| 21:40.16 | hikenboot | thewanderer1: well i was refering to the live cd for nexenta...I am using something called proxmox and looking for the grub command line kernel options to get it running...someone used http://pastebin.com/HxSx4PFZ to get it working on straight kvm..but wanted to translate it to a kernel boot line <<===this was for you |
| 21:40.24 | converge | thewanderer1: there isnt, but ill survive with the console |
| 21:40.27 | emdete | hi. when doing a `apt-get update` or any install i get http errors 404 (message "Err http://ftp.debian.org unstable/main i386 Packages"). what do i wrong? |
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| 21:41.09 | thewanderer1 | hikenboot, I know - it worked for me without any complications though so I wouldn't have an idea |
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| 21:42.09 | hikenboot | ah ok...wonder why i cant get it working then...I decided to use debian ISCSI target anyways...which lead me to the current debian iscsi target non functioning problem |
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| 21:42.20 | hikenboot | cant get windows VM's to connect to it |
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| 21:42.54 | hikenboot | in fact i cant even get micrsofts iscsi target to be attached to windows guests! |
| 21:43.22 | hikenboot | windows guests (initiators I mean) |
| 21:44.00 | jhutchins_lt | I wonder if we might redirect this conversation back towards Debian support. If we want to continue on alternate OSs and VM systems we could do so in #debian-offtopic |
| 21:44.02 | MrOpposite | test |
| 21:44.26 | eni23 | thewanderer1: oh wow just install squeeze then add backports and upgrade xserver-xorg :) works like a charm :) thanks alot you saved me hours |
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| 21:44.46 | eni23 | mabye this trick will work for my touchscreen too? |
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| 21:45.17 | thewanderer1 | eni23, try it :P (tough luck with touchscreens, though - there hardly is a standard besides Wacom) |
| 21:45.20 | jhutchins_lt | Jeremy-|: Any luck with the driver for that? |
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| 21:46.30 | jhutchins_lt | !82576 |
| 21:46.31 | dpkg | igb is a driver forked from <e1000> and added to mainline at Linux 2.6.25, supporting Intel 82575 and 82576 gigabit Ethernet controllers. It does not require firmware from userspace. The 82576 ET2 Quad Port Server Adapter (PCI ID 8086:1526) is supported in Debian Squeeze since the <6.0.3> point release (Debian bug #627702). See also <ixgbe>. |
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| 21:47.08 | thewanderer1 | he's probably missing firmware... |
| 21:47.16 | thewanderer1 | oh wait |
| 21:47.20 | keith4 | "It does not require firmware from userspace." |
| 21:47.27 | thewanderer1 | I need to read BEYOND the first full stop! |
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| 21:47.34 | keith4 | reading HARD |
| 21:47.40 | thewanderer1 | yeah... |
| 21:47.42 | Valtam | lol |
| 21:47.57 | eni23 | thewanderer1: hmm will try it. but its a pos-system not really usual, the touchscreen is connected by usb and an unknown device id, 0 infos form/about the manufacter i dont really know wat device this is |
| 21:49.02 | eni23 | the manufacter just sends me a pdf with shiny photos of shopping people but not really tecnical data |
| 21:49.14 | thewanderer1 | eni23, you'll probably end up writing an input driver :P |
| 21:49.35 | jhutchins_lt | eni23: What make & model pos? It's probably an elo. |
| 21:49.55 | eni23 | jhutchins_lt: TYSSO POS-5712 thats all |
| 21:50.19 | eni23 | jhutchins_lt: and no elo-driver's won't fit |
| 21:50.42 | eni23 | the manufacter sends me a driver called "tpsp2" |
| 21:50.43 | jhutchins_lt | Well, there are a lot of elo drivers. Does lsusb give a manufacturer ID (the eight-character code)? |
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| 21:51.25 | eni23 | jhutchins_lt: jup its 1ddb:0001 |
| 21:51.48 | jhutchins_lt | (Unfortunately I don't think judd does usbid) |
| 21:51.53 | jhutchins_lt | ,usbid 1ddb:0001 |
| 21:52.14 | eni23 | jhutchins_lt: it's an reserved block |
| 21:52.22 | eni23 | jhutchins_lt: not registred |
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| 21:52.45 | pdtpatrick1 | Question .. what's the equivalent of yum install --disablerepo=* ---enablerepo=<reponame> |
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| 21:53.05 | eni23 | jhutchins_lt: some peole use that id with homebrew-usb-devices. |
| 21:53.09 | jhutchins_lt | Tuxum? |
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| 21:54.07 | Jeremy-| | jhutchins_lt: I appreciate the idea, but I just realized the problem was I don't know how to use windows hyper-v properly ;) |
| 21:54.18 | jhutchins_lt | eni23: Found another company that's working with it, no drivers yet... |
| 21:54.18 | ChibaPet | pdtpatrick1, there may be a better way, but I think you're going to want to edit /etc/apt/preferences (or the like) to do what you want. I'm not aware of a command-line equivalent. |
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| 21:54.49 | Jeremy-| | unfortunately my work runs windows servers, but they need a linux server to run apache w/ drupal so I'm setting one up in hyperv |
| 21:55.06 | eni23 | jhutchins_lt: im writing an driver for xorg right now :( |
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| 21:56.05 | eni23 | it's not that hard. but if the /dev/input/by-id/xx is not sending all values i'm screwed. i can't go deeper |
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| 21:57.23 | gnarface | i wish i could write drivers |
| 21:57.35 | gnarface | i'd write a better bluetooth driver |
| 21:57.36 | eni23 | jhutchins_lt: the main problem is thath 1ddb:0001 could be anything |
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| 21:57.45 | gnarface | one that was actually capable of working |
| 21:57.48 | simonlnu | gnarface: 'd-r-i-v-e-r'. there, have a new driver |
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| 21:58.01 | eni23 | gnarface: input drivers are easy its not like kernel drivers |
| 21:58.22 | gnarface | but seriously folks, how am i supposed to pair shit with my bluetooth dongle now? |
| 21:58.28 | gnarface | do i have to just write my own authentication agent? |
| 21:58.45 | eni23 | jhutchins_lt: it could be an avr-microcontroller with an weird protocol? |
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| 21:59.05 | simonlnu | isn't there some dumb bluetooth daemon? |
| 21:59.18 | gnarface | simonlnu: doesn't appear to work anymore |
| 21:59.35 | gnarface | simonlnu: it used to... |
| 21:59.40 | simonlnu | gnarface: does my new driver work for you? |
| 21:59.41 | eni23 | gnarface: just buy one for 10$ that works with linux. it's not worh the work.. (and bluetooth-drivers are really hard not like input-things |
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| 22:00.05 | eni23 | (i did the same) |
| 22:00.27 | gnarface | simonlnu: 'd-r-i-v-e-r' you mean? yea works great, thanks :-P |
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| 22:01.01 | gnarface | simonlnu: i'm gonna go take it for a spin right now, actually. brb. |
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| 22:02.33 | simonlnu | gnarface: heehee =) |
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| 22:05.33 | eni23 | hmm it seems like the linux subsystem is not catching all events from the device. so i have to deattach from kernel and read directy. omg i think this is gonna be a bigger project than i think. |
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| 22:10.30 | bregma | eni23, there is a pretty standard protocol for touch devices in the kernel |
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| 22:11.23 | bregma | if the kernel driver uses the standard protocol, the xorg evdev driver will just work for the touchscreen |
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| 22:13.18 | eni23 | bregma: and what did u think? im riting my own xorg-module now. so yeah i've tryed out evdev |
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| 22:13.57 | bregma | there's not point writing your own xorg driver if the kernel driver doesn't work |
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| 22:14.56 | eni23 | thats why i sayd no kernel dev will accept it. for now it unloads the device and opens a direct communication with the usb |
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| 22:16.05 | eni23 | -device. i did a thing like this before, on windows with the installled driver i run a programm named usbmon which shows me the real communication between windows-driver and device |
| 22:16.53 | eni23 | it was for a gamepad but its really the same way for a touchscreen |
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| 22:19.24 | eni23 | but that means that 2 weekends are wasted. if i sell crack in this time i could buy me a touchscreen-pc that works with debian... |
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| 22:25.26 | breedx | ug, killing me -- hostname refusing to get configured correctly at boot time. Instead getting assigned 'unknown002185f3bf12'. |
| 22:25.43 | dondelelcaro | breedx: what is in /etc/hostname? Are you using dhcp? |
| 22:25.50 | breedx | running /etc/init.d/hostname.sh start after boot sets it up correctly, and I confirmed it's linked in /etc/rcS |
| 22:26.13 | breedx | dondelelcaro: yes dhcp, and /etc/hostname contains just the hostname (beeman) |
| 22:26.31 | breedx | is dhcp somehow trumping perhaps? |
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| 22:27.18 | dondelelcaro | breedx: yes, dhcp can override the hostname provided (since that's often what you want when you use dhcp) |
| 22:27.46 | skilz | Is there a way to start a new iceweasel session from the terminal without restoring my previous session tabs? |
| 22:27.53 | breedx | dondelelcaro: so I see request [....] host-name in /etc/dhc3/dhclient.conf |
| 22:28.02 | breedx | maybe turning off that request item does that? |
| 22:28.29 | dondelelcaro | breedx: you just add supersede host-name "beeman" |
| 22:28.44 | breedx | dondelelcaro: sweet, let me try that |
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| 22:31.34 | dondelelcaro | skilz: I don't think so, but man iceweasel; and iceweasel ""; or iceweasel "http://example.com/" might work |
| 22:31.46 | dondelelcaro | skilz: -safe-mode will also work, but I'm not sure that's what you really want |
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| 22:32.20 | breedx | dondelelcaro: hmmmm, didn't work. Let me make sure I've done the supercede correctly. |
| 22:32.23 | skilz | dondelelcaro, Okay thanks. |
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| 22:35.32 | dondelelcaro | breedx: man dhclient.conf; for details,. It's supersede, btw. |
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| 22:36.57 | Amarande | hmm. is there a decent package that one can install from squeeze that allows you to simply insert a CD and have it gather the information from CDDB and rip the tracks to OGG, or will it be necessary to write a script to do that in an automated fashion? |
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| 22:38.35 | nkuttler | Amarande: abcde |
| 22:38.41 | breedx | dondelelcaro: yeah, I had spelled it correctly in the file....but no dice. |
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| 22:40.44 | Amarande | ah yes, there we go |
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| 22:41.01 | Amarande | hmm. suggests id3 tools. does ogg vorbis actually use id3? |
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| 22:44.44 | dondelelcaro | Amarande: I personally use ripit, but there are lots of things out there |
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| 22:45.26 | sammy | if all of my users are using the default language on my machine, is there a detriment to not using locales? I don't currently have the locales package installed |
| 22:45.56 | jelly-home | sammy: you will miss the greatness that is UTF-8 ♥ |
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| 22:46.16 | jelly-home | imagine... being unable to read russian spam. |
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| 22:46.35 | sammy | jelly-home: could I define my system default locale as utf-8 or do you have to define an actual language/location? |
| 22:46.38 | dondelelcaro | breedx: hrm |
| 22:46.53 | sammy | i assume its some sort of en_US utf-8 currently |
| 22:46.59 | jelly-home | sammy: the default locale, whatever it be, also needs to be installed. |
| 22:47.10 | dondelelcaro | sammy: you should usually define the default local as en-US.UTF-8 or whatever UTF-8 is appropriate. |
| 22:47.19 | dondelelcaro | alternatively, you can just use C, but... |
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| 22:47.44 | sammy | looks like thats already been done, jelly-home and dondelelcaro, in the base system i installed on this vps. echo $LANG yields "en_US.utf-8" |
| 22:47.57 | jelly-home | I don't think en_US.UTF-8 will work properly without locales installed and that locale compiled |
| 22:48.05 | sammy | interesting |
| 22:48.21 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: it will just fall back to C |
| 22:48.25 | jelly-home | I might be wrong. It's just a somewhat educated guess. |
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| 22:48.38 | sammy | well 'locales' is not an essential package |
| 22:48.40 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: perl complaining about it is not a nice sight. |
| 22:48.40 | dondelelcaro | but there's no reason not to have locales installed and the default locale generated |
| 22:48.48 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: yeah, but it falls back to C. |
| 22:49.00 | jelly-home | not disputing that |
| 22:49.11 | sammy | dondelelcaro: other than saving space, which isnt an issue for me. as long as i can define a single locale so that documentation etc isnt generated in every english, or every language |
| 22:49.26 | jelly-home | sammy: generated? |
| 22:49.29 | dondelelcaro | sammy: if you actually don't want all of the other locales, there's localpurge |
| 22:49.46 | dondelelcaro | sammy: the only thing that gets generated are the locales that you specify to build |
| 22:49.51 | tamiya | hey guys, my debian box has eth0 configured in /etc/network/interface. I'm trying to work out how its doing DNS resolution. /etc/resolv.conf does not exist |
| 22:49.54 | valdyn | sammy: you cant remove localisation from applications by removing locales |
| 22:49.55 | dondelelcaro | sammy: other locales only have their data files installed |
| 22:50.10 | dondelelcaro | (and yes, this is totally orthogonal from application localization) |
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| 22:50.51 | sammy | ahh |
| 22:51.35 | tamiya | If /etc/resolv.conf does NOT exist, how does Debian do DNS resolution? |
| 22:51.55 | valdyn | tamiya: not |
| 22:52.11 | dondelelcaro | tamiya: generally speaking, it doesn't. Though that depends on what nsswitch is configured to do, etc. |
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| 22:52.35 | gnarface | tamiya: it uses the /etc/hosts file as well as ldap or nis (all optional) |
| 22:52.35 | tamiya | I can resolve Internet names just fine |
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| 22:52.45 | valdyn | tamiya: but maybe you really mean "how does debian resolve names if /etc/resolv.conf does not exit?" |
| 22:52.56 | tamiya | valdyn: yes |
| 22:53.20 | sammy | so Im asuming installing of the default locale is done int he boostrapping processes when generating a debain root |
| 22:53.22 | dondelelcaro | tamiya: /etc/resolv.conf should exist; if things are resolving without it, try strace wget http://www.debian.org; or similar |
| 22:53.23 | gnarface | tamiya: also there is a package you can install which lets you put the contents of resolv.conf into /etc/network/interfaces with your ip instead |
| 22:53.32 | dondelelcaro | sammy: usually, yes. |
| 22:53.46 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: that's resolvconf, but it builds a /etc/resolv.conf for you |
| 22:53.54 | valdyn | tamiya: not all tools and methods use the system way to resolve names. |
| 22:54.01 | tamiya | gnarface: thats the thing, my /etc/network/interface file only contains my static IP, gw, mask |
| 22:54.19 | valdyn | tamiya: but "ping www.google.de" should not resolve if /etc/resolv.conf does not exist |
| 22:54.20 | sammy | so then if I'm happy with en_us.utf8 for all of my users I can just ignore issues complaining about /etc/default/locale not existing? (its a pam issue but I know it can be ignored. it just prompted me to investigate locales on my system) |
| 22:54.23 | dondelelcaro | tamiya: and wget -O /dev/null http://www.debian.org; works? |
| 22:54.26 | tamiya | valdyn: i'm doing this at a command line and I can resolve names just fine |
| 22:54.36 | valdyn | tamiya: *how* |
| 22:54.46 | dondelelcaro | sammy: you should have /etc/default/locale with LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 22:54.46 | jhutchins_lt | tamiya: If it's static you can edit /etc/resolv.conf directly. |
| 22:54.56 | sammy | dondelelcaro: that file belongs to the ' |
| 22:55.01 | sammy | erm locale package |
| 22:55.04 | sammy | which is not installed |
| 22:55.15 | dondelelcaro | sammy: that file is just a conffile |
| 22:55.28 | jhutchins_lt | tamiya: Have a look at /etc/nsswitch.conf - that's what tells the system where to look to resolve names and where to try if the first choice fails. |
| 22:55.41 | dondelelcaro | sammy: if locale; works and doesn't return errors, then you're golden. You can drop a file in there if you want |
| 22:56.10 | tamiya | my /etc/nsswitch.conf says: hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
| 22:56.16 | valdyn | tamiya: tell us how you are successfully resolving names.. not all programs use the system resolver |
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| 22:56.30 | jhutchins_lt | hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
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| 22:56.48 | tamiya | At the tty1 or xterm or Console, I can ping www.whitepages.com.au |
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| 22:57.36 | jhutchins_lt | What's the trick to get konsole to use the username from su when i'm root?\ |
| 22:58.05 | sammy | dondelelcaro: fantastic. running locale works fine. thanks for the help, folks |
| 22:58.22 | sammy | im slowly migrating a system from an ubuntu install to a new debian install soemwhere else so Im sure Ill have more Qs :D |
| 22:58.33 | tamiya | hmmm |
| 22:59.02 | valdyn | tamiya: looks like you have /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:59.14 | technologov | sammy, Debian does not support upgrade from Ubuntu... it may not work. |
| 22:59.18 | tamiya | I found a file: /etc/resolveconf/resolv.conf.d/original which contains a 'nameserver' line with a correct DNS server |
| 22:59.39 | dondelelcaro | tamiya: so you're using resolvconf |
| 22:59.52 | valdyn | tamiya: thats just from a tool that constructs /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:00.01 | dondelelcaro | tamiya: you should have /etc/resolv.conf which is a symlink to /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf |
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| 23:00.50 | tamiya | thats the thing, i do NOT have a file called /etc/resolve.conf, but I do have a file called '/etc/resolvconf/resolve.conf.d/original'. Looks like that must be it? |
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| 23:01.06 | valdyn | tamiya: its /etc/resolv.conf, not /etc/resolve.conf |
| 23:01.27 | valdyn | tamiya: and no that is not it |
| 23:02.02 | tamiya | typo, I meant I do NOT have a /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:02.11 | valdyn | tamiya: i dont believe you |
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| 23:03.15 | tamiya | You're right!! |
| 23:03.20 | tamiya | I do have a resolv.conf |
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| 23:04.00 | tamiya | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 Oct 6 2006 resolv.conf -> /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf |
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| 23:05.02 | jelly-home | and it's a very old symlink |
| 23:05.03 | tamiya | but the 'run' points to /dev/shm, which does not exist :( |
| 23:05.07 | jhutchins_lt | Maybe avahi is doing mdns? |
| 23:05.25 | tamiya | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Oct 6 2006 run -> /dev/shm/resolvconf |
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| 23:07.06 | twocarlo | has anyone know how to cancel the jigdo download and restart it? |
| 23:07.13 | tamiya | jellyhome: the system was installed over 5 years ago and since then i have run apt-get update/upgrade once in a while |
| 23:07.19 | jelly-home | tamiya: so, ls -ld $(readlink -f /etc/resolv.conf) results in an error? |
| 23:08.01 | tamiya | ls -ld $(readlink -f /etc/resolv.conf) |
| 23:08.01 | tamiya | ls: cannot access /dev/shm/resolvconf/resolv.conf: No such file or directory |
| 23:08.32 | TechDesk | -_- |
| 23:08.34 | TechDesk | nano |
| 23:08.46 | TechDesk | resolv.conf is a file |
| 23:08.49 | TechDesk | not a directory |
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| 23:09.22 | jelly-home | TechDesk: and sometimes is a broken symlink, like here |
| 23:09.32 | tamiya | ls -l $(readlink -f /etc/resolv.conf) |
| 23:09.32 | tamiya | ls: cannot access /dev/shm/resolvconf/resolv.conf: No such file or directory |
| 23:10.02 | jelly-home | tamiya: which debian release is this? when did you last reboot? |
| 23:10.05 | tamiya | looks like my trusty Debian box is magical? :D |
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| 23:10.23 | tamiya | last reboot was last night :D I turn it off every night |
| 23:10.40 | tamiya | electricity is expensive!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 23:11.02 | jelly-home | tamiya: if I hadn't seen a RHEL vps do resolving with a 0 length /etc/resolv.conf this morning, I might have been skeptical as well |
| 23:12.08 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: What was it using? |
| 23:12.10 | breedx | tamiya: have you tried strace? strace nslookup google.com |
| 23:12.15 | breedx | and then pastebin that |
| 23:12.46 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: strace showed DNS lookups to localhost |
| 23:12.52 | batata | hi. for some reason my openssh-server is losing the 'auto start? on every reboot? how can i solve this? |
| 23:13.07 | jhutchins_lt | dig should show server names. |
| 23:13.26 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: I'm not that familiar with avahi and mdns, but could that be what's doing it? |
| 23:13.34 | jelly-home | tamiya, breedx: nslookup or dig do not go thru libresolv. "getent hosts google.com" does |
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| 23:14.04 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: It's installed on my netbook by default (I didn't request it). |
| 23:15.12 | jelly-home | no reason to guess when we can see what strace shows |
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| 23:17.07 | jelly-home | tamiya: would also be nice to see which version of Debian it is; also pastebin (on eg. http://paste.debian.net/) the output of "apt-cache policy" and "dpkg -l libc6 resolvconf | tail -2" |
| 23:17.07 | batata | please someone help me on this: openssh-server is is not starting on boot... if i reinstall it or 'sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart' runs fine for that session but if i reboot doesn't run automatically. |
| 23:17.09 | tamiya | breedx: I just ran that strace command you gave; the system appears to be using itself for DNS resolution. I do have BIND running on the same box, with forwaders to my ISP's DNS servers |
| 23:17.36 | jelly-home | batata: does the on-boot start show anything in /var/log/auth.log |
| 23:18.03 | jelly-home | batata: which debian release are you using? Version of openssh-server package? |
| 23:18.14 | batata | jelly-home, i will check, 1 sec please |
| 23:18.31 | jelly-home | batata: dpkg -l libc6 openssh-server | tail -2 |
| 23:18.42 | breedx | tamiya: so does that solve the mystery then? |
| 23:19.17 | tamiya | http://paste.debian.net/148766/ |
| 23:19.27 | batata | jelly-home, wheezy, sorry, didn't tell you before |
| 23:19.36 | jelly-home | breedx: it does not explain why or how the resolver uses that local DNS |
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| 23:20.05 | tamiya | breedx: Unforuntately no, I havent' determined where in the system the DNS client is pointing to the DNS server |
| 23:20.18 | breedx | gotcha |
| 23:20.57 | jelly-home | tamiya: does "itself" mean it's using a dns server on 127.0.0.1? |
| 23:21.00 | tamiya | /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/original has a nameserver line pointing to a DNS server, but if I change it, the system still works so that can't be the correct file |
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| 23:21.04 | breedx | tamiya: was that the paste you were intending? |
| 23:21.50 | tamiya | jellyhome: pretty much. Its using a DNS server with the same IP static IP address as itself |
| 23:22.00 | tamiya | breedx: ?? |
| 23:22.25 | breedx | tamiya: nm, the head cold is getting to me. ;) ignore me. |
| 23:23.46 | jhutchins_lt | tamiya: So what are we after here? Do we want to track down the mystery, or just get something fixed? |
| 23:24.56 | tamiya | http://paste.debian.net/148767/ |
| 23:25.54 | tamiya | jhutchins_lt: track down the mystery :D |
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| 23:26.06 | tamiya | and imrpvode my Linux knowledge as well |
| 23:26.16 | tamiya | improve |
| 23:26.54 | jhutchins_lt | tamiya: dpkg -l ava* |
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| 23:28.21 | tamiya | http://paste.debian.net/148768/ |
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| 23:30.01 | jhutchins_lt | tamiya: Note that you have a dns application there. |
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| 23:31.07 | tamiya | I just stopped BIND9 on the box and I could no longer do DNS resolution. Looks like the box, somewhere, has been configured to point to itself for DNS resolution |
| 23:31.23 | batata | jelly-home: $dpkg -l libc6 openssh-server | tail -2 | $ ii libc6 2.13-21 Embedded GNU C Library: Sh | ii openssh-server 1:5.9p1-2 secure shell (SSH) server, for secure access from remote machines |
| 23:31.31 | jelly-home | tamiya: so you don't have resolvconf installed, but there's a leftover symlink. Either remove the symlink and put a proper file in place, or install resolvconf back |
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| 23:32.18 | jelly-home | has no idea where that behavior is coming from |
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| 23:32.55 | tamiya | jelly-home: I'm installing right now: $sudo apt-get install resolvconf |
| 23:34.44 | batata | jelly-home, could the problem be from here -jus saw it in auth.log- "gnome-keyring-daemon[1446]: couldn't set environment variable in session: The name org.gnome.SessionManager was not provided by any .service files" |
| 23:34.51 | jelly-home | tamiya: zless /usr/share/doc/resolvconf/README.gz and search for ifupdown (/etc/network/interfaces) config tips |
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| 23:35.12 | tamiya | http://paste.debian.net/148772/ |
| 23:35.27 | jelly-home | batata: I was thinking more of looking at ssh/sshd related lines |
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| 23:36.18 | tamiya | ok, thanks for your help guys, I'm going for a break. This is all mentally tiring :D. |
| 23:36.27 | tamiya | jelly-home: will do. Thanks |
| 23:36.44 | batata | jelly-home, i don't see anything special on ssh lines. the last i have are related to a force start - from cli |
| 23:37.26 | jelly-home | batata: and there are no lines from around reboot time? |
| 23:37.55 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: nsswitch determines what's used for resolution in what order, and most of the debian boxes I've seen prefer mdns. |
| 23:38.07 | batata | no, i don't see it- but i'm going to clean the log and do a reboot, so i can see better how the system is now. |
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| 23:38.58 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: does mdns do preemptive localhost:53 DNS lookups? |
| 23:39.44 | jelly-home | batata: is the service even enabled to start at boot? ls -l /etc/rc?.d/S??ssh |
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| 23:57.57 | gnarface | in iceweasel, is there a way to make the web developer console show the bodies of posts? it shows everything else.... |
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