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| 00:11.19 | streuner | j_dulaney: We told you about <sources.list>, the factoid itself has an entry about *WHERE* to find it... |
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| 00:12.32 | streuner | j_dulaney: there is always, as usual "man sources.list" available, for beginners in Debian, sources.list is must read |
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| 00:31.45 | j_dulaney | streuner: It *looks* fine |
| 00:32.14 | jsoft | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.15 | j_dulaney | streuner: However, I keep getting the cannot resolve host error |
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| 00:32.54 | j_dulaney | streuner: I know that it has worked in the past to update/install |
| 00:33.07 | streuner | j_dulaney: if you are sure your DNS is working ok, just show us your sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 00:34.59 | Eftarjin | Hi. Is it possible to find the reverse dependencies of a package in unstable while running stable or a non-debian distro? Maybe through http://packages.debian.org? |
| 00:36.52 | streuner | Eftarjin: maybe its easier to tell us the name, we should be able to tell you then... |
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| 00:39.02 | j_dulaney | streuner: http://fpaste.org/E5Zw/ |
| 00:39.26 | j_dulaney | sorry, I have to access via shell, and it's not the fastest in the world |
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| 00:39.57 | tehrabbitt1 | hey quick question, I have a SAS PCI-E x8 card, that I Installed into my desktop... I got it primarally because the adaptec SATA RAID card didn't offer true hardware RAID.... anyway, It has two mini-sas plugs on it, and I know I have one breakout cable which goes to 4 sata drives, but i need another cable for 4 more drives, but i'm not sure if I should be getting forward or reverse.... was hoping someone here knew the dif |
| 00:41.00 | j_dulaney | streuner: And the actual errors |
| 00:41.03 | j_dulaney | http://fpaste.org/cCj9/ |
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| 00:42.11 | unkmar | I'm attempting to setup fetchmail and mutt. |
| 00:42.40 | unkmar | It appears I need to configure a list of files. something in the area of 4 different configuration files just to get this to work. |
| 00:42.58 | streuner | j_dulaney: its missing a / at the end of "debian" |
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| 00:43.56 | bolt | iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 00:44.07 | bolt | wlan0 Failed to read scan data : Argument list too long |
| 00:44.08 | bolt | O.o |
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| 00:45.11 | streuner | j_dulaney: deb http://ftp.<TLD>.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main non-free contrib |
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| 00:47.59 | streuner | j_dulaney: <TLD> = top level domain. .com, .org, .edu, and so on; also includes the country top-level domains .au, .it, .cx and so on, or see http://www.iana.org/cctld/cctld-whois.htm for a complete listing |
| 00:48.13 | Eftarjin | streuner: I’d like to know the reverse dependencies for python-cssutils. Upstream just made a new release with backward-incompatible changes from the latest stable |
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| 00:49.07 | unkmar | I guess email is just too hard to do with linux. I should just gmail. like every other idiot on the planet. |
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| 00:49.12 | cthuluh | bolt: *that* is a nice error message :) |
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| 00:49.36 | bolt | cthuluh: indeed :) |
| 00:49.52 | streuner | Eftarjin: Reverse Depends: moovida-plugins-bad, linkchecker, calibre |
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| 00:51.54 | Eftarjin | streuner: thanks. Should I email the package maintainers about the release? Incompatible changes might break reverse deps. What should be done in that case? |
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| 00:57.09 | streuner | Eftarjin: sounds like a DD question to me, try #debian-devel on OFTC |
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| 01:17.20 | larrikin_ | can anyone tell me how the process priorities of system processes are set? I'm trying to figure out why I have a machine which is RT capable, but kernel processes are still only set-up in a pre-RT way |
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| 01:27.11 | Amarande | Okay, am I supposed to be learning my lesson by this point that sound cards are an obsolete invention and I should just take out my Audigy and bin it and start using onboard? |
| 01:27.56 | Amarande | Rebooted the machine, the only change I made was to install nvidia-kernel, not even anything that should affect alsa or sound |
| 01:28.16 | Amarande | and apparently, naamah has decided that its proper default soundcard is the onboard Intel one and not the Audigy like it was the last time it was booted. |
| 01:28.57 | Amarande | I have no idea *why* it changed, and it seems to be quite arcane to manage to force alsa to a certain default card rather than go along with its choice ... |
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| 01:38.35 | Amarande | ahh, here we go |
| 01:38.36 | Amarande | hmm |
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| 01:38.56 | Amarande | does debian honour asound.conf, or should the absence of this file be taken to indicate that the ALSA configuration is taken from elsewhere? |
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| 01:41.47 | larrikin_ | Amarande have you looked at /etc/modprobe.d/alsa* |
| 01:41.50 | nkuttler | Amarande: yes |
| 01:42.13 | nkuttler | rather, yes no |
| 01:42.38 | Amarande | I'm guessing it's a file that doesn't exist by default on most or all distros, then |
| 01:42.58 | Amarande | I'm still not sure how installing nvidia-kernel caused the default soundcard to change, though |
| 01:43.08 | Amarande | particularly as there is no audio device whatsoever on the video card |
| 01:43.18 | Amarande | (it would be different with some cards, which have HDMI outputs, but this is not such a card) |
| 01:43.21 | nkuttler | Amarande: what's nvidia-kernel? |
| 01:43.46 | Amarande | nkuttler: proprietary nvidia driver (nvidia-kernel-dkms, is the package on debian). necessary for 3D DRI on virtually every nVidia card that isn't stone-age ancient. |
| 01:44.04 | nkuttler | yeah, i know that one |
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| 01:44.33 | Amarande | the point is, it has nothing to do with audio, yet, all I did kernel-wise was install that & reboot, and suddenly alsa stopped defaulting to the SB Audigy and started choosing the onboard Intel sound |
| 01:44.51 | nkuttler | Amarande: output of aplay -l ? |
| 01:45.44 | Amarande | http://pastebin.com/L6rH22zu |
| 01:46.07 | Amarande | apparently, they used to be in the other order. what I'm wondering is why this reboot, it decided on this (wrong, for my purposes) order |
| 01:47.07 | nkuttler | hm, yeah, that's odd. |
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| 01:54.50 | moepigal12h4 | http://bit.ly/uPBolO |
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| 01:56.17 | moepigal12h4 | http://bit.ly/uPBolO |
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| 02:02.34 | lotus-blade | anyone any good with ati driver config? |
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| 02:03.06 | lotus-blade | have 2 cards that I am trying to configure and can't seem to get to work |
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| 02:05.33 | aeson | Just installed Debian. May have malware. Both Vlc player and OpenOffice display symbols rather than letters when opened. |
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| 02:09.05 | nkuttler | aeson: what's your locale? |
| 02:10.06 | aeson | New York state |
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| 02:10.36 | nkuttler | aeson: no, please paste the output of the locale command |
| 02:10.38 | nkuttler | !paste |
| 02:10.38 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
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| 02:27.55 | cowslapper | never needed to defragment a linux distro but I need to defrag my system since I now have 9.4% non continues files. Whats the best way of dealing with this? |
| 02:29.13 | cowslapper | using ext4 on Debian GNU/Linux. |
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| 02:30.32 | tharkun | cowslapper: get yourself a nice usb hdd and copy everything in there and then copy it back. ;P |
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| 02:32.42 | cowslapper | This is tharkun so the old trick of taring the system and then untar |
| 02:33.09 | cowslapper | from an other disk is still the way to go |
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| 02:34.22 | cowslapper | will that brake system links etc? |
| 02:34.55 | delueks | hi, if i run "ssh root@host dpkg -i package.deb" , it hangs after "Processing triggers for ureadahead". The install is complete, it just doesnt exit. It works, if i run "dpkg -i package.deb" manually after connecting with "ssh root@host". Any ideas? |
| 02:35.41 | tharkun | cowslapper: depends on how you do it as allways, i usually do rsync keeping everything in place. A 1 TB hdd with usb3 costs only 100 USD and you do not need to tar .... |
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| 02:36.37 | cowslapper | thx tharkun Ill give it a spin |
| 02:37.24 | tharkun | delueks: IIRC your ssh session will only be open as long as the shell you invoked is open. IIRc dpkg will call apt-get to efectively install stuff leaving your session without a proper foothold on the server you are running that command |
| 02:38.19 | tharkun | delueks: that is my theory. I do prefer to connect and then run a screen session to install software. You never know when an idiot will knock the wire on the corner of your street |
| 02:38.25 | tharkun | cowslapper: np |
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| 02:41.05 | Dagger3 | tharkun: I was going to say that your $100 price was a bit out of date... but no, you really can get external 1TB drives for $100, when the cheapest 1TB bare drives are $130. -.- |
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| 02:41.32 | delueks | tharkun: i want to run the command from a script. "ssh root@host sh -c \'dpkg -i package.deb\' " doesnt work either. what's a proper foodhold? |
| 02:42.00 | tharkun | Dagger3: Bought one this Friday to send a client some file he urgently needed ;P |
| 02:42.39 | tharkun | delueks: a proper foothold is a shell that can invoke subshells without loosing grip on the conectivity. |
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| 02:43.28 | tharkun | delueks: usually when you ssh into a machine you run a $SHELL that you have allready defined. Then if you run a program your shell will run a subshell that holds the program there |
| 02:45.55 | delueks | tharkun: i still don't unterstand why i don't get stdin back. do you have an idea for a workaround? |
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| 02:46.45 | tharkun | delueks: no, sorry out of my league. |
| 02:47.25 | delueks | thx anyways |
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| 02:47.58 | tharkun | delueks: maybe in #bash you can get a decent workaround |
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| 02:50.50 | clone_of_saturn | delueks: try ssh -t? |
| 02:51.54 | clone_of_saturn | when you do ssh <command> i don't think you get a pty |
| 02:55.03 | delueks | why is it necessary, i didn't want to use ssh -t cause i'm running the command from a script |
| 02:55.20 | delueks | but actually it exits correctly with ssh -t |
| 02:56.13 | _Techie_ | is there a debian kernel module for RTL2832U devices available for debian that doesnt involve compiling module set after module set until i find one that works/or doesnt work |
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| 02:57.01 | clone_of_saturn | delueks: without a pty job control doesn't work |
| 03:00.24 | somiaj | _Techie_: do you know if that module ever made it into the main line kernel. the backport 2.6.39 kernel will have it in that case |
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| 03:03.34 | HeXiLeD | does anyone know the name of the package that provides : base64 |
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| 03:04.28 | _Techie_ | somiaj, i dont know, im just looking for a distro that supports it... i will convert to the first distro that has confirmed support, im pushing downtime as it is |
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| 03:07.19 | somiaj | _Techie_: I didn't see any wiki entry for that. Do you know if it is supported in any linux kernel? |
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| 03:09.41 | _Techie_ | somiaj, there are drivers out there, but i havent got any of them to work |
| 03:10.03 | _Techie_ | somiaj, so the idea is, if any distro can confirm support... i will install it then and there |
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| 03:17.41 | ion_ | I have to problemas that I'm tried to solve but I couldn't... |
| 03:17.56 | somiaj | ion_: continue |
| 03:17.57 | ion_ | repair my source.list |
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| 03:18.25 | ion_ | and put my the drives for my ATI graphics card in my laptop. |
| 03:18.50 | somiaj | cat /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update -- the output of that could be helpful in figuring out your issues with your sources.list |
| 03:19.07 | somiaj | !fglrx |
| 03:19.07 | dpkg | fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chips prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>; see <fglrx lenny> for oldstable. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:19.31 | somiaj | ion_: though you can use the non-free drivers too. The radeon work just fine for my 4200 |
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| 03:20.27 | ion_ | somiaj: I have a lenovo laptop and I've been struggling throughout the whole day ...trying to solve those problems... |
| 03:21.08 | ion_ | somiaj: can I redo again my source list because I deleted part of it ... |
| 03:21.47 | somiaj | ion_: but you can't giving us really any info except you have problems and you are struggling. Ok step one, lets get your sources.list file squared away. You can rebuild it if you like, but once you do give us the output of stuff in a pastebin |
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| 03:22.11 | ion_ | somiaj: sure |
| 03:22.22 | ion_ | somiaj: how do I do it ? |
| 03:22.53 | somiaj | !pastebin |
| 03:22.54 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
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| 03:23.05 | ion_ | somiaj:http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 03:23.17 | somiaj | ion_: one issue at a time please. sources.list to start with. |
| 03:23.37 | ion_ | somiaj: I think I can solve my problem with my graphics card there. |
| 03:23.53 | ion_ | somiaj: okay sorry. |
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| 03:27.13 | ion_ | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/148872/ |
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| 03:28.22 | somiaj | ion_: wow? Where did you get this sources.list file, do you actually want to use all of those unoffical repos, you do know they could cause conflicts with your squeeze/stable os? |
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| 03:30.24 | ion_ | somiaj: well, because I was fed up that I couldn't get the job done so I did that .. |
| 03:30.54 | somiaj | you are running debian squeeze? have you been installing things from these unoffical repos that could have caused your issues |
| 03:31.06 | ion_ | somiaj: no |
| 03:31.26 | somiaj | anyways I would only keep lines 6, 7 and 10. and then run apt-get update |
| 03:31.42 | ion_ | somiaj: since I put a fresh debian in my machine I can't install the drivers for my graphics card... |
| 03:32.02 | cantido | ion_: which card?_ |
| 03:32.07 | somiaj | well where ever you got these sources.list lead you astray. Everything you need should be in debian proper. |
| 03:32.12 | ion_ | somiaj: ATI |
| 03:32.50 | somiaj | we need more info than just ATI, the actual card would be useful. But right now lets fix your sources.list |
| 03:33.27 | ion_ | somiaj:okay |
| 03:33.37 | ion_ | somiaj:thank you... |
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| 03:36.44 | ion_ | cantido: ATI 9804 |
| 03:38.08 | cantido | guesses you need non-free for that.. |
| 03:38.49 | ion_ | cantido: Yeah you right but I couldn't find it... |
| 03:39.11 | cantido | non-free after main in your debian source |
| 03:39.31 | ion_ | cantido: I was trying and I mess up my whole sources.list |
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| 03:40.09 | cantido | so "you're doing it wrong" |
| 03:40.12 | cantido | heh |
| 03:40.16 | somiaj | the fglrx in squeeze might be a bit outdated for that newer card. |
| 03:40.26 | cantido | yeah that too |
| 03:40.53 | cantido | I got the feeling he had it working before though |
| 03:41.02 | cantido | It just doesnt work since he reinstalled |
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| 03:42.12 | ion_ | cantido: I hadn't |
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| 03:42.35 | ion_ | cantido: was another distro before.. |
| 03:42.52 | cantido | ok, so check that the driver in debian supports your card first then |
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| 03:43.07 | cantido | if not you'll need a back port.. fix your sources first though |
| 03:43.32 | ion_ | cantido: I did http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 03:44.16 | ion_ | cantido: but I don't know whether is going to work or not because as I said I have problems with the source list. |
| 03:44.56 | cantido | if it says it should work, it should work.. borken sources.list is a separate issue |
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| 03:47.01 | ion_ | somiaj:what you think remove all the source list ? |
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| 03:48.32 | somiaj | ion_: there is no reason you need all those unoffical sources, they will only add problems to you in the future. |
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| 03:49.02 | ion_ | somiaj:so which ones I can get rid of ..? |
| 03:49.41 | somiaj | ion_: I already told you the only ones you need to keep |
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| 03:52.44 | ion_ | somiaj: well I much rather remove all of it and take from a official source like debian webpage do you know any ? |
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| 03:53.49 | somiaj | ion_: I told you exctaly which are the only lines to keep. |
| 03:54.09 | somiaj | 19:31 < somiaj> anyways I would only keep lines 6, 7 and 10. and then run apt-get update |
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| 03:55.11 | Virtualmix | Hello! I'm trying to set Gnome3 (on testing) to open my session automatically but gnome the settings window doesn't remember my preference. Any idea? |
| 03:55.16 | c4pt | hello i am having problems using ICS for my ps3 |
| 03:55.29 | c4pt | does anyone have a detailed guide to setup ICS on debian for a ps3 ? |
| 03:55.53 | Virtualmix | I think I've found a bug |
| 03:57.14 | somiaj | Virtualmix: check the bts, use #debian-next on irc.debian.org, and have fun with testing and gnome3. (: |
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| 03:58.58 | Virtualmix | somiaj: Thank you, I will ask #debian-next :) |
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| 03:59.42 | Virtualmix | Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only). |
| 03:59.56 | wolfric | Virtualmix: you need to identify with nameserver |
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| 04:00.26 | wolfric | Virtualmix: if you're not registered already try /msg nickserv help register |
| 04:00.40 | ion_ | somiaj:it doesn't go. |
| 04:00.52 | somiaj | Virtualmix: you need to join another irc server, irc.debian.org |
| 04:01.02 | somiaj | Virtualmix: or irc.oftc.net |
| 04:01.05 | chateador | hi debianitas |
| 04:01.18 | Virtualmix | wolfric, somiaj : Thank you I will try this out :) |
| 04:01.40 | somiaj | Virtualmix: wolfric comment won't help you, its the fact this channell is on the other server. |
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| 04:07.50 | Virtualmix | somiaj: Thank you. What is the difference between the #debian channel on OFTC and this one? Are they both official? |
| 04:08.30 | somiaj | Virtualmix: debian offical irc network moved away from freenode years ago. This is an unoffical channel |
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| 04:08.39 | somiaj | Virtualmix: irc.oftc.org is the offical debian irc network. |
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| 04:08.59 | Virtualmix | somiaj: Ok, thanks for your reply :) |
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| 04:23.06 | xwalk | If I uninstall gdm3 and install xdm, am I still going to be able to access a gnome session. |
| 04:23.08 | xwalk | ? |
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| 04:24.19 | Amarande | you don't need a *dm at all to run a gnome session, so yes |
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| 04:25.29 | cantido | Any there any simpler alternatives to LDAP for sharing logins across machines? something distributed would be nice.. |
| 04:26.51 | xwalk | Oh, I didn't know that. How do you start a gnome session without a dm? |
| 04:27.16 | xwalk | Just throw a gnome-session command? |
| 04:27.27 | wolfric | cantido: samba |
| 04:27.51 | cantido | wolfric: I dont need to share with windows machines.. all debian |
| 04:27.59 | wolfric | cantido: who said anything about windows |
| 04:28.14 | cantido | wolfric: is the samba db shared across the machine? |
| 04:28.19 | cantido | machines |
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| 04:29.09 | wolfric | i assume so. admitedly i've only done it with ldap but i've heard people using samba instead (althought you'd have to double check it didn't just use the ldap db for it) |
| 04:29.45 | cantido | I want something that I can use on my laptop and not be unable to login when its disconnected ;) |
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| 04:42.14 | wolfric | cantido: what's wrong with ldap anyway |
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| 04:50.50 | hikenboot | how do i get apache to reinstall ssl certificates as if it was a new install |
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| 04:51.06 | cantido | wolfric: openldap is a pain to setup |
| 04:51.08 | hikenboot | I cant create my own since i do not have a certificate authority |
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| 04:51.15 | cantido | wolfric: the replication stuff is okish |
| 04:52.22 | wolfric | cantido: tell me about it :p |
| 04:52.40 | wolfric | hikenboot: apache doesn't install ssl certs by default install... |
| 04:52.51 | cantido | I thought there might be some nice modern.. install it and forget about it .. solution ;) |
| 04:52.55 | wolfric | cantido: once it's setup though, it's pretty simple to keep working using some sort of client like phpldapadmin |
| 04:53.19 | wolfric | cantido: sure there is. ldap is modern... openldap just isn't fire and forget |
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| 04:53.31 | wolfric | and linux clients... |
| 04:53.50 | cantido | wolfric: last time I use phpmyldapadmin it was broken, that was 2 years or so ago though |
| 04:54.48 | wolfric | cantido: ah yes there's a funky bug with it that i think is already fixed but debian haven't brought in yet (unless perhaps if you use something non-stable) |
| 04:54.56 | hikenboot | wolfric I was messing with my certificates and screwed it up trying to fix another error now i get SSL connection error unable to make a secure connection with this server it may require an authentication certificate that you dont have |
| 04:55.04 | wolfric | the bug being you can't create the first user uid without at least ONE user uid being there |
| 04:55.49 | wolfric | hikenboot: that's all configured in the /etc/apache2 configs. if you apt-get purge apache2 you should get rid of them or clear them |
| 04:56.11 | hikenboot | thanks |
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| 05:02.08 | foobarbecue | Hi. I have a 3tb drive, but it always shows up as 2199 gigabytes. I recompiled my kernel with large block devices and gpt partition tables enabled. No change. Any idea why? |
| 05:03.40 | somiaj | foobarbecue: the class mbr partition table can only make a paticular size partition. You either have to use GPT or make a 1tb and 2tb partition |
| 05:03.49 | foobarbecue | I am using GPT |
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| 05:04.11 | foobarbecue | but anyway, fdisk and parted say the device physical size is 2199Gb |
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| 05:06.15 | somiaj | foobarbecue: what does the bios say about the drive? |
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| 05:07.09 | foobarbecue | somiaj: hm, not sure I have a bios. This is a ts7800 single board computer. But when I plug the drive into my laptop, the bios says it is 2Tb |
| 05:07.54 | Amarande | foobarbecue: does your computer have UEFI or a standard BIOS? |
| 05:08.02 | Amarande | you cannot use drives above 2TB to full capacity without UEFI |
| 05:08.21 | foobarbecue | er, probably uefi. It was bought this year. |
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| 05:09.43 | Amarande | hmm ... I'm not seeing any mention of BIOS *or* UEFI on the TS7800 from a cursory googling |
| 05:09.58 | Amarande | not very familiar at all with the ARM platform, really |
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| 05:13.06 | JaredKz | hey I just did a netinstall on Debian through a USB, it installed no problem, and I just installed the base system components, not a GUI yet... however when the computer boots up I don't get anything.. not even a command prompt... ideas? |
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| 05:14.00 | somiaj | JaredKz: do you see 'grub' at any point of time as a boot loader |
| 05:15.26 | JaredKz | no |
| 05:15.34 | hikenboot | wolfric: that wiped out my default.httpd.conf file how do i get back a working httpd.conf file? |
| 05:15.43 | JaredKz | it's a fairly old machine |
| 05:15.50 | hikenboot | on squeeze |
| 05:15.55 | somiaj | JaredKz: sounds like grub didn't install on the right mbr of the disk you are botting off of. |
| 05:16.10 | somiaj | JaredKz: or you installed grub on an mbr of a disk you arent booting from |
| 05:16.16 | JaredKz | somiaj, oooh kk that makes sense. Thanks |
| 05:16.46 | wolfric | hikenboot: apt-get install apache2...? |
| 05:17.28 | wolfric | hikenboot: btw you shouldn't be using httpd.conf, use sites-available confs |
| 05:17.46 | wolfric | hikenboot: put the ssl certs in a site specific config |
| 05:18.02 | wolfric | then a2ensite configfilenamehere to enable it |
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| 05:19.47 | EvilMog | I have an evil mastar plan, I'm debating building an irc network run off nothing but sheevaplugs running debian |
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| 05:24.41 | wolfric | EvilMog: how is that evil ? |
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| 05:30.31 | EvilMog | dunno, runnign an irc network off nothing but dsl lines and sheeva plugs, feels kinda disruptive |
| 05:30.37 | foobarbecue | I can't get my single board computer running Debian Lenny to see a 3tb drive (parted and fdisk see it as 2.2Tb). Here is a comparison of the same drive on the SBC and on my Ubuntu 11.10 laptop: http://pastebin.com/ze8tZe7p |
| 05:30.50 | jones | run it off your neighbor's wifi |
| 05:31.22 | foobarbecue | any idea why? I recompiled the kernel for the SBC with large block device support but didn't change anything |
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| 05:36.46 | cantido | EvilMog: doesnt seem that evil TBH.. unless you murder small children to pay for the plugs |
| 05:37.10 | EvilMog | could be a cool project, wonder if there would be any interest |
| 05:37.14 | cantido | foobarbecue: the "SBC" is x86? |
| 05:37.30 | foobarbecue | no, arm |
| 05:37.39 | foobarbecue | Marvell Orion processor |
| 05:37.41 | cantido | EvilMog: I think there are probably enough IRC networks without one that goes down all the time |
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| 05:38.10 | cantido | foobarbecue: maybe that kernel doesnt have large block device support.. for 2TB+ |
| 05:38.28 | foobarbecue | cantido, good idea, but I just recompiled it with large block support |
| 05:38.36 | foobarbecue | it did not originally |
| 05:38.47 | cantido | I build my own kernels for ARM |
| 05:39.12 | cantido | mainly because debian doesnt have something that works.. but also, you dont need a lot of generic stuff on an SBC or something |
| 05:39.13 | wolfric | you can do anything if you believe it hard enough |
| 05:39.50 | wolfric | nvm i thought you started that with "can i build my own..." |
| 05:40.11 | cantido | EvilMog: OT: but someone was going to do some distributed storage thing with plugs.. I dont know how far it got, I doubt consumer ISPs would be too happy with it |
| 05:40.13 | foobarbecue | cantido: my .config has CONFIG_BLOCK=y and CONFIG_LBDAF=y |
| 05:40.17 | foobarbecue | should that do it? |
| 05:40.24 | foobarbecue | or is there some other setting too? |
| 05:40.30 | EvilMog | aye |
| 05:40.35 | cantido | foobarbecue: I'm not 100% sure what you need for it to work.. I have that all turned off ;) |
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| 05:40.54 | cantido | foobarbecue: compare the x86 config with the arm one maybe? |
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| 05:41.39 | foobarbecue | cantido: good idea... is there a way i can check at runtime what the .config was |
| 05:41.40 | foobarbecue | ? |
| 05:42.25 | somiaj | foobarbecue: if the kernels are installed the debian way a copy of the config is put in /boot/config-kernlver |
| 05:42.36 | cantido | foobarbecue: there is a module that lets you grab the config from /proc/config or something |
| 05:42.50 | cantido | or what somiaj said :) |
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| 05:45.12 | EvilMog | my idea for the plug network was basically a self organizing, self linking plug computer irc network based off dsl lines and a few static load balancers |
| 05:45.13 | foobarbecue | the laptop and arm board have different kernel versions... do .config variables change between versions? |
| 05:45.29 | cantido | foobarbecue: sometimes |
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| 05:47.36 | foobarbecue | do you think CONFIG_MTD_BLOCK2MTD could be my problem? it's not enabled on the SBC |
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| 05:48.18 | cantido | foobarbecue: google it.. or look it up in the docs |
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| 05:48.42 | cantido | there is a site that has all of documents processed so you can google them ;) |
| 05:50.05 | foobarbecue | Just googled and the answer was no, MTD is irrelevant. So, I'm back to square 1... have no idea why my board can't see past 2.2Tb |
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| 05:51.26 | cantido | sorry I cant really help.. biggest drive I have on ARM is 16GB |
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| 05:53.37 | foobarbecue | cantido: ah, well. Thanks for trying. I guess I will just have to make do with a missing 800GB :-( |
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| 05:54.50 | cantido | foobarbecue: its a USB drive right? |
| 05:55.02 | cantido | foobarbecue: maybe theres something in the USB mass storage driver too? |
| 05:55.34 | foobarbecue | cantido: It has both usb and esata connections, and I've tried both with the same results |
| 05:55.50 | cantido | mmm so something global then :/ |
| 05:56.39 | foobarbecue | It really seems like I don't have large block support, despite enabling it in the kernel |
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| 05:56.55 | foobarbecue | I think I will try compiling it as a module and loading it so I know it's there |
| 05:58.49 | foobarbecue | oh, it's not modularizable |
| 05:59.07 | cantido | its an option that turns on features in the code |
| 05:59.23 | foobarbecue | hm/ |
| 05:59.24 | foobarbecue | ? |
| 05:59.50 | cantido | if you turn on large block support, block drivers should use that option to compile in support for it |
| 06:00.15 | Amarande | i.e., it's an option for drivers, it's not a driver in and of itself |
| 06:00.22 | foobarbecue | ah, i see |
| 06:00.44 | cantido | check SCSI options etc too |
| 06:01.03 | foobarbecue | oo... there were some interesting looking scsi options |
| 06:01.18 | foobarbecue | will scsi matter for sata? |
| 06:01.32 | cantido | SATA uses the SCSI subsystem AFAIK |
| 06:01.45 | foobarbecue | ok, this might be the key! |
| 06:02.02 | foobarbecue | and when I connect the usb it probably does the same |
| 06:03.35 | cantido | usb does use the SCSI stuff as well from what I remember |
| 06:03.55 | foobarbecue | How about this: |
| 06:03.56 | foobarbecue | Symbol: BLK_DEV_IDE_SATA [=n] |
| 06:03.56 | foobarbecue | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.11 | cantido | I dont think you want that |
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| 06:05.32 | foobarbecue | yeah... I got excited because it said BLK |
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| 06:08.10 | cantido | you could ask on the debian/linux arm lists |
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| 06:11.21 | foobarbecue | cantido: ok, maybe I'll get around to that. there is actually a list for the single board computer I'm trying to this on, I might post there |
| 06:11.28 | foobarbecue | thanks for your ideas |
| 06:11.43 | xwalk | Spent an hour trying to figure out why wicd wouldn't bring my wlan0 interface up. Just needed to enter it in the text field for wireless interfaces in wicd-gtk... -.- |
| 06:11.55 | cantido | foobarbecue: most of the people that hang around here are going to be using x86 desktops ;) |
| 06:11.56 | xwalk | Debian makes me over-think things. |
| 06:13.00 | cantido | xwalk: debian packages are usually pretty stock.. |
| 06:15.10 | xwalk | cantido, I'm still in Arch mode. migrated a couple months ago and I still think, "There's a text file somewhere...". |
| 06:15.43 | cantido | xwalk: if you are sure, a lot of the time there is a readme in /usr/share/doc/<package> |
| 06:16.18 | xwalk | Noted. I'll have to make use of that dir second nature. |
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| 06:16.29 | cantido | s/are/aren't/ |
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| 06:31.18 | Sivik | what is the file to change the nat_traversal |
| 06:31.19 | Amarande | You know, there is one thing where Windows does kind of have a technical edge on Linux ... |
| 06:31.29 | Amarande | Disc errors. When you have a disc error on Windows, you get something informative. |
| 06:31.30 | travisHAZE | Yeah, Video drivers |
| 06:31.38 | Amarande | When you have a disc error on Linux ... it tells you "Input/output error" |
| 06:31.45 | file-exists-p | yeah, portal 2 |
| 06:31.49 | Amarande | At a point where you can already "duh" that it's an I/O error |
| 06:31.53 | Sivik | the video drivers for nvidia are fine in linux |
| 06:32.07 | travisHAZE | I'm running a Radeon 200m |
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| 06:32.35 | travisHAZE | I have to use the base drivers included with the OS because the new propertiary drivers wont work for the 200m, and the old drivers wont work with my kernal |
| 06:32.53 | Sivik | travisHAZE, yea, the older ati stuff doesn't work with linux |
| 06:33.15 | travisHAZE | Makes me cry |
| 06:33.22 | travisHAZE | Which is odd though |
| 06:33.33 | travisHAZE | My Windows partition pushes this card to its limits |
| 06:33.39 | travisHAZE | Linux doesn't agree with it |
| 06:34.31 | Sivik | travisHAZE, do you know what file to change the nat_traversal? |
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| 06:35.09 | travisHAZE | My first time using Linux was 6 months ago |
| 06:35.17 | travisHAZE | I'm basically still a newbie |
| 06:35.22 | travisHAZE | So, no |
| 06:35.24 | Sivik | oh ok |
| 06:36.37 | Amarande | yeah pretty much every complaint I hear about the nvidia drivers has to do with their being closed source rather than actually being bad |
| 06:36.56 | Sivik | Amarande, they work so its really not that big of a deal and the newer ati seems to run fine |
| 06:37.09 | Amarande | the only technical issue I've noticed lately about them on debian is that if you use the bpo kernel, you *must* remember to add non-free to your bpo entry so you can use the bpo nvidia-kernel-dkms (which I think only just came out the other day, too) or it won't build |
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| 06:38.11 | Sivik | I just use the 64 bit kernal to not have that issue |
| 06:41.12 | cantido | I know "anyone" questions are bad.. but does anyone else have a laptop that just suspends itself all the time? |
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| 06:42.07 | travisHAZE | cantido, try acpi=off noapic nolapic in your boot parameters |
| 06:42.56 | cantido | travisHAZE: I dont really want to turn acpi off if possible.. from what I can see in dmesg its bitching about some power consumption stuff all the time |
| 06:43.12 | travisHAZE | Yeah |
| 06:43.19 | cantido | some days it runs fine for the whole day, other days it suspends every 30 minutes |
| 06:43.22 | travisHAZE | My suggestion still holds weight |
| 06:43.28 | travisHAZE | Just try it |
| 06:43.32 | cantido | ok, I'll try it out |
| 06:43.35 | travisHAZE | Open grub, boot up, see if it works |
| 06:43.44 | travisHAZE | Not having it means you miss out on a few power saving options |
| 06:43.52 | travisHAZE | (And your laptop not being able to kill itself) |
| 06:43.53 | cantido | Testing is hard because its totally random :/ |
| 06:44.04 | travisHAZE | However, stability is not random |
| 06:44.16 | travisHAZE | I found a way to force it to hang up quicker |
| 06:44.26 | travisHAZE | Plug in more USB "tools" |
| 06:44.30 | travisHAZE | Can't think of the word right now |
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| 06:44.37 | travisHAZE | But like USB mouse, USB speakers, USB flash drive |
| 06:44.39 | travisHAZE | Max it out |
| 06:45.03 | cantido | travisHAZE: it doesnt hang really.. it just suspends itself.. it resumes ok |
| 06:45.21 | travisHAZE | Then I misunderstood you |
| 06:45.23 | travisHAZE | My apologies |
| 06:45.39 | cantido | I'll be using it and it will just start suspending |
| 06:45.59 | travisHAZE | You can try acpi=off |
| 06:46.00 | simonlnu | gadgets |
| 06:46.10 | travisHAZE | It'll disable it from suspending |
| 06:46.15 | travisHAZE | . |
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| 06:46.45 | cantido | yeah, I'll try it. I think it'll kill cpu freq scaling too though |
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| 06:47.12 | Datz | Hello, I was wondering if anyone could help me with the debian package phpmyadmin. When I try and select several rows in a database for deletion and delete them, it returns that no rows were selected. |
| 06:47.18 | travisHAZE | I'm not sure, but if CPU Freq Scaling isn't power related it wont mess with it |
| 06:47.33 | travisHAZE | phpmyadmin is an apache thing |
| 06:47.36 | travisHAZE | server |
| 06:47.37 | cantido | travisHAZE: scaling is done via acpi on this machine I think |
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| 06:48.06 | travisHAZE | I can't speak for certain, but I don't think its related to voltage |
| 06:48.55 | Datz | travisHAZE: I'm just looking for help where there are knowledgeable individuals, and some relation to the root of the problem. |
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| 06:50.32 | travisHAZE | Well IIRC phpmyadmin is a tool used by apache to admin MySQL fields on an apache server |
| 06:50.38 | travisHAZE | Thats web based anyway |
| 06:51.09 | Datz | you recall correctly |
| 06:51.48 | travisHAZE | So then your accessing your PhpMyAdmin through port 80 right? |
| 06:51.56 | travisHAZE | Meaning selecting is just highlighting |
| 06:52.11 | Datz | I assume you wont be able to help me with the problem, but yes. |
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| 06:53.26 | travisHAZE | Now, to me, this seems like your trying to select and delete fields through a web browser without being in the appropriate spot |
| 06:53.35 | travisHAZE | But Idk what your end looks like |
| 06:53.42 | travisHAZE | So I'm officially backing off |
| 06:54.05 | Datz | hehe ok. I'm used phpmyadmin for awhile now. Something is broken |
| 06:54.09 | Datz | I've* |
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| 07:03.14 | JaredKz | Hey, I installed Debian off a CD, but I no longer want it to source information from that CD, is there anything I can do? |
| 07:03.30 | travisHAZE | Take the CD out |
| 07:03.56 | JaredKz | after running apt-get install xxxxx it's requesting the CD |
| 07:04.04 | JaredKz | and the USB is no longer in there |
| 07:04.12 | debian_noob | you need to edit sources.list |
| 07:04.27 | travisHAZE | debian_noob, change nicks with me |
| 07:04.32 | JaredKz | rightio, thanks =) |
| 07:04.50 | debian_noob | travisHAZE, haha no thanks |
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| 07:19.55 | simonlnu | JaredKz: comment out the cd (put # in front of the line), run aptitude update |
| 07:20.15 | debian_noob | clear the sources.list file |
| 07:20.22 | debian_noob | and add repositories |
| 07:20.38 | simonlnu | excuse me? ignore what he said ^^^ |
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| 07:21.06 | debian_noob | simonlnu, uhh why? |
| 07:21.19 | simonlnu | because it's a dumb thing to do |
| 07:21.32 | debian_noob | and why may i know? |
| 07:21.55 | simonlnu | there's other info in there besides that one line usually, and to do that would lose that info |
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| 07:22.22 | simonlnu | besides, you don't counsel people to lose data, that's irresponsible |
| 07:22.27 | debian_noob | as if we need that info |
| 07:22.35 | debian_noob | after installation |
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| 07:22.55 | debian_noob | I apologize |
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| 07:23.05 | simonlnu | you said "clear the sources.list file" |
| 07:23.24 | simonlnu | if you meant "clear that line ..." then that's different |
| 07:23.34 | debian_noob | clear as in remove all lines |
| 07:23.45 | debian_noob | what else is there in sources.list? |
| 07:23.56 | simonlnu | not wise. take a look at yours for instance |
| 07:24.02 | debian_noob | haha |
| 07:24.18 | debian_noob | been a long time since i messed around with debian |
| 07:24.35 | simonlnu | a default file includes such things like security sources. then why are you here? |
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| 07:25.43 | debian_noob | ahh security |
| 07:25.58 | debian_noob | anything else? |
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| 07:27.35 | debian_noob | perhaps this is enough: ? |
| 07:27.37 | debian_noob | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 07:27.37 | debian_noob | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:27.37 | debian_noob | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:27.45 | debian_noob | just an example |
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| 07:31.07 | r15 | hi, i want to share laptop display on an external monitor, what package should i use? |
| 07:31.19 | r15 | i tried function keys etc, it's not working |
| 07:31.39 | simonlnu | xrandr can do things like that IIRC |
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| 07:47.50 | JaredKz | Hey, I'm trying to set up virtualbox on a minimalistic debian installation, I've installed xorg but whenever I go to start virtualbox it says Failed to open the x11 display.... any ideas? do I NEED to install the base of a desktop environment? |
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| 07:48.41 | keck0f | hi. |
| 07:48.54 | wallee | virtualbox video driver |
| 07:49.01 | wallee | JaredKz: check this |
| 07:49.09 | JaredKz | kk thanks |
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| 07:51.02 | keck0f | i have installed 6.0.3 and have chosen btrfs for the '/'-fs. Everytime i boo up there is a error message that "fsck.btrfs" could not be found. I've search packages.debian.org to find the missing file but could not find a suitable package. is there a fix? |
| 07:51.37 | lstarnes | there is not |
| 07:51.44 | lstarnes | btrfs currently has no fsck |
| 07:52.33 | keck0f | btrfsck is not compatible. so softlinking it to /sbin/fsck.btrfs will not help? |
| 07:52.44 | lstarnes | I'm not sure |
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| 07:54.57 | keck0f | package "btrfs-tools" from "unstable" provides "fsck.btrfs". |
| 07:55.05 | keck0f | lstarnes: thanx |
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| 08:00.02 | simonlnu | wonders why people install experimental filesystems without any research |
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| 08:03.48 | kmentat | Quick question, where can I find packages for kernels less... ancient (beg pardon) than 2.6? |
| 08:04.28 | simonlnu | !pdo |
| 08:04.29 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for Debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/ in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 08:04.38 | simonlnu | packages.d.o |
| 08:05.35 | kmentat | Last I heard through the grapevine, I couldn't find 3.1 there... |
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| 08:06.26 | simonlnu | ,versions linux-image-3.1.0-1-686-pae |
| 08:06.27 | judd | Package: linux-image-3.1.0-1-686-pae on i386 -- wheezy: 3.1.1-1; sid: 3.1.4-1 |
| 08:06.40 | simonlnu | only testing and unstable... |
| 08:07.40 | kmentat | Aahh, that explains it. |
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| 08:09.46 | jcrowgey | i'm running debian on an acer aspire. there's a system beep which is so annoying |
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| 08:10.04 | jcrowgey | i can unload the pcspkr module |
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| 08:10.14 | jcrowgey | and it still beeps, only at a different pitch |
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| 08:10.33 | jcrowgey | my desktop environment is Xfce |
| 08:10.36 | jcrowgey | any tips? |
| 08:10.59 | travisHAZE | Cry, cry hard (jk) |
| 08:11.12 | travisHAZE | TBF I honestly like Xfce |
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| 08:16.28 | philipballew | I think my mirrors are down because I cant seem to install anything |
| 08:17.15 | philipballew | Is there a way to see whats up? |
| 08:18.36 | epsilon | how do mirror? |
| 08:19.49 | epsilon | i mean which mirror do you use |
| 08:20.46 | philipballew | epsilon, well i use http://sluglug.ucsc.edu/debian/ |
| 08:21.07 | philipballew | thats what I picked when I installed |
| 08:21.38 | epsilon | i get no responce |
| 08:21.59 | epsilon | feel free to use more than 1 mirror in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:22.21 | epsilon | they all have same content, and by using 2-3 servers, you have redundancy |
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| 08:23.01 | born2troll | i got the bastard of error ALSA lib pcm.c:7223:(snd_pcm_recover) underrun occured |
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| 08:25.47 | philipballew | epsilon, any good ones to choose? |
| 08:26.25 | Future28 | Hey guys, I'm a little stuck. I want a new distro that's based on Debian, but i'm not sure which is the most stable and updated, can anyone give me any tips on which distros to look at? I've tried ubuntu already, not for me. I'm currently on Archbang |
| 08:26.39 | ompaul | debian |
| 08:26.52 | Future28 | No derivative, just debian itself? |
| 08:26.59 | ompaul | and for ideas you should just try debian |
| 08:27.00 | cafuego | Future28: Check the channel name ;-) |
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| 08:27.15 | Future28 | I know, but I figure you guys have some experience with derivatives of debian also. |
| 08:27.27 | cafuego | Future28: However, stable and most updated don't mix. |
| 08:27.28 | ompaul | Future28: what does a derivative offer you that a different theme on debian wouldn't |
| 08:27.44 | ompaul | Future28: ever hear of debian? |
| 08:27.48 | cafuego | Future28: Almost by definition, up to date means buggier and therefore less stable. |
| 08:27.49 | ompaul | grins |
| 08:28.01 | Future28 | I want something rolling but stable |
| 08:28.05 | Future28 | Is that too much to ask for these days! |
| 08:28.09 | ompaul | yes |
| 08:28.12 | cafuego | Future28: Does not exist. |
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| 08:28.25 | born2troll | i got the bastard of error ALSA lib pcm.c:7223:(snd_pcm_recover) underrun occured |
| 08:28.29 | Future28 | Back to mandrake I go |
| 08:28.38 | cafuego | Future28: It wouldn't have to roll if it were stable. |
| 08:28.48 | ompaul | Future28: excuse me while I laugh, have a nice day. |
| 08:28.59 | Future28 | I was kidding, haha. |
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| 08:29.10 | Future28 | Is mint based on debian? |
| 08:29.11 | ompaul | so you are downloading debian then |
| 08:29.19 | ompaul | !basedondebian |
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| 08:29.26 | cafuego | Future28: It's based on Ubuntu, which was once based on Debian. |
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| 08:29.28 | ompaul | wonders |
| 08:29.36 | ompaul | !mint |
| 08:29.37 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 08:29.50 | Future28 | Okay right. Too many damn choices. |
| 08:29.55 | ompaul | !based on debian |
| 08:29.55 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution. #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 08:29.58 | tux0 | anyone know if it's possble to set the digital clock (one on the taskbar/kicker) to 24 hour time in kde 4.6.5? |
| 08:30.31 | cafuego | tux0: Yes it is. |
| 08:30.33 | Future28 | Argh, back to the clueless channels. |
| 08:30.38 | ompaul | Future28: with that in mind please leave the subject alone. It's Sunday and we don't want to think about it. |
| 08:30.42 | cafuego | tux0: But I don't know how :-) |
| 08:30.52 | philipballew | tux0, It runs probably via the date software |
| 08:31.02 | philipballew | Thats how lxde does i know |
| 08:31.53 | cafuego | I expect it would default to using the locale settings |
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| 08:32.23 | tux0 | I'm talking about displaying 24 hour time |
| 08:32.29 | tux0 | you do not set that in your locale |
| 08:32.32 | tux0 | or do you now? |
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| 08:32.48 | ompaul | tux0: it is doing so for me - I guess 08:32 indicates that |
| 08:32.56 | cafuego | tux0: I use gnome, I had to tell my clock to not be stupid |
| 08:33.17 | tux0 | long as I have used kde I've always set the digital clock to 24 hour time by checkmarking some box in the digital clocks settings |
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| 08:33.48 | tux0 | cafuego gnome 3 scares me |
| 08:34.07 | cafuego | tux0: I use 2 |
| 08:34.36 | ompaul | tux0: what time is it for you atm? |
| 08:34.59 | tux0 | my digital clock is displaying 03:34:55 AM |
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| 08:35.20 | cafuego | Why aren't you asleep? Apropos of nothing... ;-) |
| 08:35.28 | ompaul | tux0: ok let me scout around my settings |
| 08:35.30 | tux0 | I'm assuming it would not display 24 hour as it did not in the past when set to 24 hour time |
| 08:35.33 | ompaul | cafuego: cos it's sunday :) |
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| 08:35.41 | tux0 | rather |
| 08:36.00 | tux0 | I'm assuming it would not display AM as it did not in the past when I was able to set it to 24 hour time |
| 08:36.04 | cafuego | ompaul: I was asleep at 3:30am this morning |
| 08:36.34 | tux0 | cafuego I just dist-upgraded a 3 year old sid/unstable machine :) |
| 08:36.41 | cafuego | heh |
| 08:36.58 | tux0 | 2.6.32 and kde 4.4.3 or something like that |
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| 08:37.07 | ompaul | tux0: it was sid and is still sid? |
| 08:37.16 | tux0 | well it's unstable |
| 08:37.20 | ompaul | with no d-u's in the middle? |
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| 08:37.24 | tux0 | was and still is |
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| 08:37.40 | TribalMan | noob question… how would I go about killing a service (.i.e. perl) on a certain port |
| 08:37.42 | TribalMan | ? |
| 08:37.47 | tux0 | no dist-upgrade in 3 years |
| 08:37.50 | tux0 | no upgrade |
| 08:38.00 | cafuego | TribalMan: Find its pid, kill it. |
| 08:38.07 | cafuego | TribalMan: Find out what service it is, stop it. |
| 08:38.09 | tux0 | installed testing or something dist-upgraded to sid/unstable and left it alone |
| 08:38.12 | ompaul | tux0: that it is still working I am ever so slightly stunned |
| 08:38.28 | cafuego | TribalMan: Are you expecting perl to listen on a port? |
| 08:38.39 | TribalMan | cafuego: I know its perl… do I just use a stop command in /etc/init.d ? |
| 08:39.33 | cafuego | TribalMan: No... you can use 'netstat -plunt' to list all listening services with ip:port pid/name |
| 08:39.34 | ompaul | tux0: go into system settings -> local and check out time in there as I said mine shows the time correctly |
| 08:39.43 | TribalMan | I'm expectin gwebmin to be listening on the given port, but instead I get perl |
| 08:39.47 | tux0 | ompaul one more reason why I really like debian :) |
| 08:39.52 | cafuego | tux0: Oh yes, webmin is perl |
| 08:40.01 | cafuego | TribalMan: ^ even |
| 08:40.04 | ompaul | !webmin |
| 08:40.05 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 08:40.14 | cafuego | TribalMan: So if you stop webmin, that listener will go away |
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| 08:41.15 | TribalMan | mmm |
| 08:41.16 | tux0 | ompaul oh they have centralised the configuration nice |
| 08:41.39 | ompaul | tux0: welcome to staying on SID :) |
| 08:42.28 | tux0 | ompaul well, I haven't updated in quite a while this machine that is and I'm not a kde user |
| 08:42.36 | mah454 | Hello ... |
| 08:42.43 | tux0 | thanks :) |
| 08:42.56 | ompaul | tux0: you did recently ;-) and you are now :-) |
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| 08:43.11 | ompaul | !tell mah454 about ask |
| 08:43.12 | tux0 | ompaul I'm more of a ratpoison, xmonad, fvwm, flux/black/openbox etc type person :) |
| 08:43.13 | mah454 | wodim not work with root user ? (normal user can use this command !) |
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| 08:47.49 | tux0 | brb |
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| 08:53.15 | jerry | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:54.05 | ompaul | jerry: depends on what you want, typically I'd use the local time zone for wherever the box is |
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| 08:54.41 | ompaul | Ginks: the other option is use UTC for all off site servers |
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| 09:11.29 | loginix | hey |
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| 09:23.20 | tux0 | they killed the url in firefox |
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| 09:44.50 | TribalMan | giving up on webmin… where can I set what folder a domain points to? /var/lib (?) |
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| 09:45.50 | TribalMan | bind only shows me dns settings... |
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| 10:19.24 | merow | hello |
| 10:19.28 | merow | i got a weird issue |
| 10:19.45 | merow | what should i enter in the exports file (NFS) if the path contains empty spaces |
| 10:20.03 | wallee | merow: may be \ |
| 10:20.05 | merow | a backslash like ssh? |
| 10:20.07 | merow | ok |
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| 10:20.31 | wallee | merow: "file name" input as file\ name |
| 10:20.50 | merow | yeah i was a little cowfused |
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| 10:21.13 | keck0f | mooh! |
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| 10:23.42 | streuner | !moo |
| 10:23.42 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/*office/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 11:06.59 | arjun_ | Please tell me the difference between packages 'qemu-user-static' and 'qemu-user'. |
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| 11:07.35 | coldtobi | hallo, I have a problem with my (IDE) DVD drive and I'm running out of pointers... It is not detected by the kernel (nothing in dmesg, no device file) , however the BIOS does detect it. A harddrive connected to the same IDE channel comes up however. The mainboard is a ASROck N68C-S UCC using a nForce 630a chipset. The kernel loads pata_amd (also tried blacklisting pata_amd) . I also tried with other CDROM drives without any luck. Under WinXP t |
| 11:07.58 | babilen | arjun_: The former is statically linked - Also read the package description. |
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| 11:14.17 | arjun_ | babilen, 'qemu-user-static' is providing binfmts which is not with 'qemu-user'. |
| 11:14.47 | arjun_ | I don't know why it is so. |
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| 11:35.32 | obiwahn | mh das gnome in unstable sieht irgendwie unfertig aus |
| 11:35.44 | obiwahn | ich hab mit dem unity gnome von ubuntu gespielt |
| 11:35.52 | obiwahn | oh - fc |
| 11:36.11 | TechDesk | And in english ? |
| 11:36.12 | obiwahn | debians's gnoem looks kind of unfinished |
| 11:36.39 | obiwahn | is gnome intended like that? is that all waht upsteam did? |
| 11:36.53 | obiwahn | ubuntus unity gnome looks a bit better |
| 11:37.16 | obiwahn | and it is really shitty for dualheads |
| 11:37.40 | obiwahn | there are only virtual workspaces for the first screen |
| 11:37.51 | obiwahn | ami using it wrong? |
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| 11:38.25 | TechDesk | Go gnome3 fallback |
| 11:38.31 | TechDesk | And gnome-tweak-tool |
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| 11:38.41 | savr | hi |
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| 11:38.58 | savr | soooo what user account should I be using for my website? |
| 11:39.16 | savr | any? and add it to www group. right? |
| 11:39.17 | obiwahn | TechDesk: i'd like to set a theme with tewektool |
| 11:39.18 | petemc | apache runs as www-data |
| 11:39.22 | obiwahn | but it never worked |
| 11:39.35 | obiwahn | gnome-terminal uses the gnome3 shell for some time now |
| 11:39.58 | obiwahn | but somehow does my term not chang nomatter what i do in the tweaktool |
| 11:40.21 | obiwahn | seems to stay on the adwaita theme |
| 11:41.55 | obiwahn | and there is nothing like ok or preview |
| 11:42.03 | obiwahn | does dbus have to work for this? |
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| 11:57.32 | oo_miguel | I have 3GB Ram in my notebook, but "top |
| 11:57.33 | oo_miguel | " |
| 11:57.40 | oo_miguel | reports only 1.99GB |
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| 11:57.47 | oo_miguel | what might the reason be? |
| 11:57.53 | M4X1M_3OO | hi , *_* |
| 11:57.56 | M4X1M_3OO | !lisrt |
| 11:58.00 | M4X1M_3OO | !list |
| 11:58.00 | dpkg | m4x1m_3oo: e possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero con http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 11:58.53 | M4X1M_3OO | good debian...very good...but I need the version 32 bit...is it 32 bit ? |
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| 11:59.20 | M4X1M_3OO | mIRC |
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| 12:00.13 | thewanderer1 | oo_miguel, does 'free -m' show the full amount of memory? |
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| 12:00.45 | jetscreamer | what thewanderer1 said |
| 12:00.48 | jetscreamer | !free |
| 12:00.48 | dpkg | i heard free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. Easier in French, or 'free beer' = gratuit / 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:") and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:"), see also <free ram>. |
| 12:00.54 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 12:00.57 | jetscreamer | !free ram |
| 12:00.58 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 12:01.21 | oo_miguel | thewanderer1: no, also 1944 |
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| 12:03.04 | thewanderer1 | oo_miguel, in "total" column, right? then, does your BIOS report 3GB while POSTing? that should be also visible in the BIOS setup. check what "dmidecode --type memory" shows - does it list all memory sticks? |
| 12:03.32 | fedora81 | assalamualaikum |
| 12:03.46 | coldtobi | !swapwake |
| 12:03.46 | dpkg | After hibernation, you can load back into memory as much as possible from swap and also load files back into the kernel's file cache to help reduce the disk thrashing that occurs when waking up after suspend-to-disk (although this doesn't seem to be needed with the kernels in lenny onwards): cat `cat /proc/[0-9]*/maps | grep / | sed 's:.* /:/:' | grep -v /dev | sort -u` > /dev/null |
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| 12:04.42 | oo_miguel | thewanderer1: hmm even dmidecode only reports the ine bank |
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| 12:05.11 | oo_miguel | thewanderer1: and Installed Size: not installed :( |
| 12:05.16 | oo_miguel | i have to check in the bios i guess |
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| 12:05.45 | jetscreamer | try reseating it if the bios doesn't see it either.. and/or replace it with another stick |
| 12:06.06 | pandrew | anyone around here with an OCZ Agility 3 SSD? |
| 12:06.07 | oo_miguel | thx , ill have a try |
| 12:06.47 | jetscreamer | i've had to lean some to one side before |
| 12:06.59 | Dagger3 | also, if the notebook is either an original-model Atom or a Pentium-M, the chipset is probably limited to 2GB |
| 12:07.08 | Dagger3 | but he's gone already |
| 12:07.56 | jetscreamer | i didn't know that |
| 12:08.12 | jetscreamer | about the chipset i mean |
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| 12:10.35 | thewanderer1 | yeah well (most early Atom boxes come with just one memory slot - how does one find a 3GB stick to put in there? :D) |
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| 12:11.19 | jetscreamer | stick a 4 and waste a gig |
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| 12:11.44 | Dagger3 | I have an Atom netbook; it has 512 MB onboard and one memory slot |
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| 12:11.51 | thewanderer1 | "onboard"? O.o |
| 12:12.14 | Dagger3 | if you stick a 1 GB stick in you get 1.5 GB of RAM; if you stick a 2 GB stick in you get... 2 GB |
| 12:12.28 | Dagger3 | well, on the motherboard. it's soldered on. |
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| 12:51.25 | born2troll | guys someone know a good guide for setting up a mailserver on debian? |
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| 12:58.33 | born2troll | guys i wanna set up a debian mail server... what do i have to check on installation? mailserver, ssh server and???# |
| 12:58.44 | savr | I set it using dpkg-reconfigure |
| 12:58.49 | xwalk | I've always wondered, is there a difference between using aptitude as opposed to apt-get? |
| 12:59.12 | born2troll | xwalk aptitude works better |
| 12:59.19 | savr | aptitude is for wimps |
| 12:59.34 | savr | plus people who can understand how to use confusing UIs |
| 12:59.42 | savr | I find apt-get easier |
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| 12:59.57 | savr | as in I don't need to consult the manual |
| 13:00.24 | babilen | savr: You need to be aware of the commands for both and you don't need to use aptitude's curses interface |
| 13:00.35 | born2troll | savr nice if u have too much energy u can help me setting up my mail server |
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| 13:00.57 | born2troll | what do i have to check on debian installation bysites mail server and ssh server? |
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| 13:01.49 | savr | [8:58pm] savr: why is bash running even after I have set dash as the default shell |
| 13:02.07 | savr | born2troll: as you can see I am busy free 1mb of ram from my vps |
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| 13:05.10 | born2troll | come on guys... there is "mailserver one option on the debian installation and i cant even find out what mailserver it is |
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| 13:08.08 | babilen | born2troll: exim4 -- Take a look at the task-mail-server metapackage -- In general you can list packages that belong to a certain task with "tasksel --task-packages TASK-NAME". |
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| 13:11.00 | born2troll | babilen can u give me some wiki/howto stuff to read about setting up an exim4? otherwise im afraight i will have many questions to anoye you =( |
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| 13:16.03 | babilen | born2troll: Start with http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/README/README.Debian.html (also in /usr/share/doc/exim4/README.Debian.html) and progress to http://www.exim.org/exim-html-current/doc/html/spec_html/index.html |
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| 13:43.57 | LeLutin | hello |
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| 13:46.44 | LeLutin | I sent a bug report yesterday with the command "reportbug", but I forgot to change the "TO:" field to my real name and to a working address. is the bug report going to be scratched out or will it be opened anyway? |
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| 13:47.56 | jordanm | LeLutin: it should be filed anyways, but you won't recieve replies. you can check bugs.debian.org |
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| 13:49.19 | jordanm | LeLutin: "bts <number> submitter "youremail@foo.com" should fix it |
| 13:49.32 | jordanm | or perhaps owner |
| 13:49.45 | LeLutin | jordanm: ok thanks. apparently the bug doesn't show on the package's issue list yet. I didn't want to report the same thing twice. |
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| 13:50.15 | LeLutin | jordanm: ok, in the body of a message to <number>@bugs.debian.org ? |
| 13:50.25 | jordanm | LeLutin: it shouldn't take more than an hour to appear. unfortanetly, if it bounced, you wouldn't have recieved it. you can check you mailserver logs |
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| 13:50.58 | jordanm | LeLutin: I would file again. it ends up duplicating, you can merge the 2 reports |
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| 13:54.23 | LeLutin | jordanm: aha, seems like the mail didn't even go out of the machine (because exim is probably configured for local delivery only). I'll re-submit correctly this time. |
| 13:54.29 | LeLutin | jordanm: thanks for the info |
| 13:55.27 | jordanm | LeLutin: np. also, you can use --mua or --file so that you can send the email out a google server if you prefer |
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| 13:56.44 | psyxxxx | hi can u tell me how i can compile the sources of lets say the sshd sources on a debian system? |
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| 14:11.52 | psyxxxx | no one? |
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| 14:14.13 | jelly-home | psyxxxx: did you not get a private message from dpkg? |
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| 14:28.43 | savr | how do I identify my mysql port quickly |
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| 14:30.48 | savr | dead channel |
| 14:30.54 | savr | hooos |
| 14:31.01 | savr | !hoo |
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| 14:31.07 | savr | !moo |
| 14:31.08 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/*office/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 14:31.39 | savr | apt-get install moo? |
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| 14:32.18 | gnugr | savr: try this command: " netstat -an | grep -i mysql " |
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| 14:33.08 | savr | unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 1098178849 /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| 14:33.21 | savr | soooo it is not listening to 3302? |
| 14:33.31 | savr | 3306 |
| 14:33.32 | gnugr | probaply yes |
| 14:33.47 | savr | my.cnf says 3306 |
| 14:33.57 | blackshirt | netstat -ntap |
| 14:34.27 | savr | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 12246/mysqld |
| 14:34.37 | savr | yup |
| 14:34.45 | blackshirt | look that |
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| 14:35.00 | savr | now I need to figure why my app is saying A database connection could not be established. |
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| 14:35.12 | blackshirt | mysqld listen on 3306 |
| 14:36.01 | savr | hmmm |
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| 14:36.27 | savr | let me try and login to this database from the command line |
| 14:36.27 | jelly-home | savr: is you app connecting to 127.0.0.1? |
| 14:36.31 | jelly-home | your* |
| 14:36.35 | savr | yeah |
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| 14:37.17 | jelly-home | savr: note that if you use "localhost" with mysql command line client, it uses the unix socket, and NOT the tcp connection to 127.0.0.1 |
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| 14:38.37 | gnugr | savr: jelly-home is right, check it " lsof -i4 -P | grep -i mysql " |
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| 14:42.06 | savr | mysqld 13863 mysql 10u IPv4 1103694542 0t0 TCP localhost:3306 (LISTEN) |
| 14:42.12 | savr | seems to be listening |
| 14:42.28 | gnugr | sure is |
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| 14:43.34 | savr | seems to be a problem with the user account I guess |
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| 14:48.58 | savr | gnugr: some php app |
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| 14:52.59 | qdb | valdyn, i said yesterday "without aptitude" i thought it is not installed , but today i see it was installed |
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| 14:59.55 | oldtopman | Quick question: How do I start gdm from the command-line in an X environment? |
| 15:00.29 | AimHere | "gdm &" works for me, as root |
| 15:00.31 | abrotman | oldtopman: you want a new GDM ? |
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| 15:00.49 | nsadmin | kill off the x, log in at the terminal and start it from there |
| 15:01.10 | oldtopman | Harriman: This is for a regain crypto on an HP touchpad. It runs Regain inside of an x window. |
| 15:01.10 | abrotman | maybe he wants two X sessions ? |
| 15:01.25 | oldtopman | swears at autocorrect |
| 15:02.04 | oldtopman | Debian. On an HP touchpad. It supplies the X env. And I can't kill it. |
| 15:02.20 | abrotman | you can't kill X at all ? |
| 15:02.21 | oldtopman | I would like to launch gdm though. |
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| 15:03.14 | oldtopman | abrotman: Did I make sense to you? |
| 15:04.04 | oldtopman | I cannot kill x at all, correct. |
| 15:04.26 | nsadmin | how does it start in the first place? |
| 15:04.47 | oldtopman | That's just how the Debian Chroot works. |
| 15:05.01 | nsadmin | oh, there's a chroot involved? |
| 15:05.21 | oldtopman | It opens an X window with a terminal inside. I've been using startlxde& for a while. |
| 15:05.27 | oldtopman | Sort of. |
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| 15:05.48 | nsadmin | brb |
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| 15:06.38 | oldtopman | Chroot is the method to run it on a touchpad, I do not believe that it affects the way the Regain runs. |
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| 15:06.42 | oldtopman | Debian* |
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| 15:07.46 | oldtopman | WinGers: Thanks for the advice, but gem is in daemon muse by default and you shouldn't't need the & |
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| 15:07.57 | oldtopman | ugh |
| 15:08.06 | oldtopman | brb, killing autocorrect |
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| 15:09.31 | oldtopman | abrotman: Ideas? |
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| 15:13.01 | oldtopman | Bye then, I'll be back later though :) |
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| 15:14.18 | abrotman | jesus .. some people are busy! |
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| 15:23.23 | jack_lt | does Debian has a release cycle of 2 yrs? |
| 15:23.32 | jack_lt | how long is a release supported? |
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| 15:26.45 | coldtobi | seems that I need the amd74xx kernel module for my dvd drive |
| 15:27.17 | nsadmin | debian does not have scheduled releases, however there is a specific amount of time a released debian is supported |
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| 15:28.07 | nsadmin | it might be one year after the release after it is released |
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| 15:50.56 | xtal | is the squeeze 2.6.32-5-amd64 kernel makefile included somewhere if you never recompiled ? |
| 15:51.21 | xtal | basically i'm trying to figure out how to get the 'capability' module to fix a vsftpd issue, but modprobe can't find it |
| 15:51.40 | petemc | you mean the config? its in /boot/ if you have that kernel installed |
| 15:51.41 | abrotman | make file or config? |
| 15:51.46 | xtal | sorry, yeah the config |
| 15:52.29 | xtal | thanks. CONFIG_SECURITY_FILE_CAPABILITIES=y <- that means capability is built-in, yeah? |
| 15:52.46 | babilen | yup |
| 15:53.13 | xtal | thank you for the quick response. my issue must be something else then :) |
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| 15:53.43 | babilen | Or more precisely: It means that CONFIG_SECURITY_FILE_CAPABILITIES is compiled in -- I haven't checked if that corresponds to the "capibility" module. |
| 15:54.46 | LordTrev | When I'm trying to connect to ethernet dhcpcd and dhclient are having the brilliant idea of using 255.255.255.255 as the netmask where I need 255.255.255.0 to be the netmask(but obtain the other addresses with dhcpcd/dhclient otherwise) |
| 15:54.53 | xtal | hmm.. there seems to be both CONFIG_SECURITY_CAPABILITIES and CONFIG_SECURITY_FILE_CAPABILITIES |
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| 15:57.02 | lemar9 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:58.06 | xtal | LordTrev: do you not want the netmask that the dhcp server is giving you? |
| 15:58.32 | xtal | (ie is the dhcpd configured correctly?) |
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| 16:00.30 | tc_ | hey guys, I have problems with masquerading my stuff. Mostly everything works, but sites on amazonaws don't send answers, does this sound familiar to anyone? |
| 16:00.40 | tc_ | (NAT routing) |
| 16:01.51 | abrotman | asked #netfilter? |
| 16:02.27 | waxhead | Is there some repo that offer the latest rc kernel from kernel.org as a .deb? The reason is that I would like to test out the latest nouveau before filing a bugreport. |
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| 16:05.35 | tc_ | abrotman: thanks, I have now |
| 16:06.10 | nsadmin | tc_, also this problem sounds like it's outside your internal net |
| 16:06.57 | tc_ | But when I test using my old fritz!box router it always works all right |
| 16:07.32 | LordTrev | xtal, 255.255.255.0 is the netmask and it cannot obtain a ip address, so I suppose yes |
| 16:07.39 | nsadmin | when was the last time you did that? |
| 16:07.45 | LordTrev | But I need the gateway/ip to be obtained with dhcp |
| 16:08.21 | xtal | LordTrev: try running dhcpcd -dT to test config and see what the dhcp server sends as the netmask |
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| 16:11.43 | tc_ | nsadmin: I swapped them around multiple times in a row |
| 16:11.57 | tc_ | it always worked with the normal router |
| 16:12.21 | nsadmin | was the last time 1, 2, 3, 4 or more than 4 years ago? |
| 16:12.31 | nsadmin | or, when was the last time? |
| 16:12.52 | tziOm | I am struggelig figuring out how to make buildpackage understand that it needs to run autoconf |
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| 16:13.21 | tziOm | have included dh-autoreconf in Build-depends |
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| 16:14.35 | tc_ | nsadmin: 1 hour ago |
| 16:14.39 | me-1 | hi..what is the expected release date of debian 7...? |
| 16:14.51 | tc_ | and the old router has been working for 4 years, yes |
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| 16:15.42 | nsadmin | oh, ok... so that would rule out something about this news thing changing between tests |
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| 16:16.17 | LordTrev | <LordTrev> xtal, none, also this is a modem not a switch so that may be the problem... |
| 16:16.19 | LordTrev | <LordTrev> I say it's the netmask because I've had a problem before where dhcpcd was setting the netmask as 255.255.255.255 and that may be the problem |
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| 16:20.30 | xtal | LordTrev: if you just have a modem, it would be your ISP running the dhcp server. you still need a netmask.. |
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| 16:20.57 | xtal | did dhcpcd give you any output? could you pastebin it? |
| 16:20.59 | vi_ | good afternoon chaps. |
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| 16:21.03 | rly | Is there a command to just repeat some file forever? |
| 16:21.11 | vi_ | How do I pin a package to a particular version? |
| 16:21.47 | boudiccas | vi_; sexist! we're not all 'chaps' here, some of us are female |
| 16:22.08 | Iridos | me-1, none at all yet. debian doesn't have fixed release times and right now not even anything is decided about when to freeze afaik |
| 16:22.24 | vi_ | I meant chaps, as in bros |
| 16:22.34 | vi_ | as in we're all bros of the deb |
| 16:22.36 | nsadmin | boudiccas, what's it like to say that? is it that you want to be seen for who you are? |
| 16:22.37 | vi_ | ya follow? |
| 16:22.39 | xtal | rly: repeat the contents of a file in a terminal? try watch or tail -f |
| 16:22.49 | boudiccas | vi_; no |
| 16:23.09 | rly | xtal: I meant something else. I already wrote the program myself now. |
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| 16:23.14 | vi_ | good afternoon fellows |
| 16:23.15 | xtal | rly: nice :-) |
| 16:23.15 | Iridos | this is the perfect discussion to take out of here and transfer to #debian-offtopic, though |
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| 16:23.23 | vi_ | How do I pin a package to a particular version? |
| 16:23.28 | Iridos | hehe |
| 16:24.01 | vi_ | all I can find is docs regarding pinning whole repos |
| 16:24.11 | vi_ | I just want tot hold a particular package back |
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| 16:24.31 | aeson | Debian is poorly designed. Try and uninstall--say OpenOffice--and packages that you DON'T want uninstalled are removed. |
| 16:24.36 | jordanm | vi_: aptitude hold <package> |
| 16:24.57 | vi_ | googles aptitude hold <thispackage> |
| 16:24.58 | jordanm | !tell aeson about unmarkauto |
| 16:25.18 | Iridos | vi_, look at http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 16:25.19 | jordanm | vi_: that's the command to use, why google it? aptitude has a manpage |
| 16:25.21 | nsadmin | aeson, let's see, ok... so what packages did you not want uninstalled that were? a coupla examples maybe |
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| 16:25.51 | aeson | OpenOffice. |
| 16:26.04 | vi_ | google provides man pages too |
| 16:26.22 | nsadmin | you just said you wanted openoffice gone |
| 16:26.52 | aeson | yes. I never use OpenOffice. |
| 16:27.01 | vi_ | oh wait, my system does not have aptitude |
| 16:27.04 | vi_ | apt only |
| 16:27.09 | vi_ | that is why |
| 16:27.11 | jordanm | vi_: what version of debian are you using? |
| 16:27.16 | nsadmin | aeson, let's see, ok... so what packages DID YOU ==NOT== want uninstalled that were? a coupla examples maybe |
| 16:27.27 | vi_ | lenny |
| 16:27.34 | aeson | gnome. |
| 16:27.56 | jordanm | aeson: openoffice is part of the gnome meta package. the gnome meta package depends on it |
| 16:27.56 | nsadmin | just the package named gnome |
| 16:27.59 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 16:28.35 | jordanm | vi_: aptitude is installed by default in lenny... just install it |
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| 16:31.26 | vi_ | okay, im gonna come clean. |
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| 16:31.34 | vi_ | I am actually using maemo 5 on an n900. |
| 16:31.42 | vi_ | which is mostly like lenny |
| 16:31.54 | vi_ | apt is apt right? |
| 16:32.03 | nsadmin | who knows |
| 16:32.16 | nsadmin | once they fork, what they do is their business |
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| 16:33.18 | vi_ | anyway echo "packagename hold" | dpkg --set-selections worked |
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| 16:33.37 | vi_ | pointing me to aptitude hold was what I needed to know |
| 16:33.45 | vi_ | I owe you 0.1 of a beer. |
| 16:33.54 | nsadmin | I don't drink |
| 16:33.56 | vi_ | s/beer/bear/ |
| 16:34.07 | vi_ | 0.1 of a bear |
| 16:34.56 | eni23 | hello at all. im using pavucontrol to switch between bluethooth, hdmi and internal audio. is there a way to do it with scripts? would be much easyer than a lousy gui.. someone knows how? |
| 16:35.03 | Iridos | jordanm, I don't like to suggest hold... because aptitude hold is ignored by everything else ... and the dpkg hold was at least for some time ignored by aptitude, iirc |
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| 16:35.22 | vi_ | that is ok, i have no aptitude. |
| 16:35.45 | vi_ | aptitude segfaults chunks 'vrywhere on meh system. |
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| 16:39.13 | nsadmin | maybe he's right... debian -is- misdesigned... |
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| 16:39.48 | tziOm | could anyone give me a little insight in how I can maintain debian packages that originate from git? for example netfilter? |
| 16:39.55 | nsadmin | one thing's for sure... they sure have had plenty of time to straignten out the hold issue |
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| 16:41.33 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 16:41.33 | dpkg | i guess mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
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| 16:43.12 | jordanm | Iridos: are you sure its ignored? the apt-get manpage mentions ignore-hold, which indicates to me that aptitude hold would apply. since apt-* doesn't have hold functionality itself |
| 16:44.14 | ShinyDarkness | Hello. How can I list the packages marked as automatically/manually installed? |
| 16:45.08 | abrotman | !tell ShinyDarkness about installed |
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| 16:51.48 | dotcom | hallow |
| 16:52.05 | tc_ | btw my issue was blocked ICMP if someone was wondering and there's a hack around it called tcp-MSS |
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| 16:52.27 | nsadmin | tc_, what was blocking it? |
| 16:52.33 | tc_ | amazon |
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| 16:53.05 | tc_ | amazonaws hosted servers block ICMP requests |
| 16:53.11 | tc_ | I think all of them |
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| 16:53.33 | nsadmin | wait, why did the other thing you had work fine? |
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| 16:55.36 | dotcom | I've just installed debian on my system. I want to run a webserver.how i do secure my ssh ? please help me |
| 16:56.09 | jordanm | !tell dotcom about hardening |
| 16:57.01 | nsadmin | or, alternatively, why did what you're using now not work? |
| 16:57.10 | dotcom | yes how i m hardening my debian system |
| 16:57.11 | ShinyDarkness | abrotman: I just read the info you gave me, and it says *nothing* about manually/automatically installed packages. |
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| 16:57.45 | nsadmin | dotcom, start by reading what the bot told you, and read all referenced documents |
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| 16:59.06 | Iridos | jordanm, well... if it's not anymore, our factoid is outdated... /msg dpkg hold the factoid is like that for... dunno exactly, several months and the bug exists... but there was some argument about if it only confers to commandline-aptitude |
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| 17:00.29 | Iridos | jordanm, mmh and I've not looked into this further than using aptitude hold at the beginning of squeeze, then being disappointed when I noticed the package in question was inadvertedly upgraded at some time |
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| 17:01.05 | tc_ | nsadmin: the other thing worked fine because it uses some kind of strange hack, too... It's a consumer product |
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| 17:01.24 | tc_ | nsadmin: made to actually work |
| 17:01.49 | nsadmin | so it assumed that some servers would ignore icmp |
| 17:02.32 | tc_ | nsadmin: I guess so |
| 17:02.43 | tc_ | mtu path discovery hacks |
| 17:03.22 | Iridos | jordanm, and I suspect that the apt-get ignore-hold refers to the "hold" status in the dpkg database... the ones set with echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections |
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| 17:04.23 | Iridos | jordanm, frankly, I think the whole "hold" status thing is a bit of a mess right now... I guess at some point all that will be unified to a single hold status (as that's the only sensible solution, really)... but it might take some time until everyone realizes this |
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| 17:05.03 | Devilholk | Evening |
| 17:05.59 | Devilholk | I'm doing something wrong, don't know what. Just tried to apt-get install openjdk-6-jdk and it wanted to remove KDE, open office and a lot of other stuff I certainly do not want to remove. |
| 17:06.21 | jsoft_ | Devilholk: they prolly depend on it |
| 17:06.27 | jsoft_ | Devilholk: I am guessing, anyhow. |
| 17:06.40 | Devilholk | jsoft_: But, dependencies usually add stuff, right? |
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| 17:07.09 | jsoft_ | Devilholk: no, as in KDE, open office, depend on openjdk-6-jdk. So remove that, and you need to remove the things which require it. |
| 17:07.23 | Devilholk | jsoft_: I see |
| 17:07.32 | Devilholk | How do I see what jdk/jre I currently have? |
| 17:08.15 | nsadmin | I can see a jre being required, but a jdk? |
| 17:08.23 | Devilholk | I sometimes write java code |
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| 17:08.38 | jsoft_ | *shrug* |
| 17:08.39 | jsoft_ | Unsure |
| 17:08.43 | phogg | Devilholk: dpkg -S $(update-alternatives --list java) is how I would fidn out. |
| 17:09.00 | nsadmin | so you require it :) as opposed to a package... |
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| 17:09.10 | jordanm | just the update-alternatives --list java should be fine |
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| 17:09.40 | Devilholk | phogg: Thanks |
| 17:10.00 | Iridos | Devilholk, is it really openjdk-6-jdk or does it want to remove all the other stuff anyway? |
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| 17:10.54 | Devilholk | Iridos: I had openjdk-6-jre-headless so when trying to install openjdk-6-jdk I guess it would remove the old one, also removing lots of stuff I don't want to remove |
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| 17:11.35 | Devilholk | What does headless mean? It appears in the error message of Arduino IDE when trying to start. I mean, what's the difference between headless and not headless? |
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| 17:11.54 | raven | how to dd files from a non finalized video dvd? sr0, dvd and dvdrw seems to be empty (no ff, 00 too) in hexedit |
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| 17:11.57 | nsadmin | having no head? jk. having no monitor |
| 17:12.02 | jordanm | Devilholk: headless means without a GUI, often also without any input devices |
| 17:12.15 | phogg | Devilholk: Does it say why it wants to remove a bunch of other things? aptitude should list specific conflicting depends |
| 17:12.18 | Iridos | Devilholk, nah... dependencies are smart enough so that doesn't happen... they usually allow for several packages to fulfil a dependency, if several ones that are suitable exist |
| 17:12.38 | Iridos | Devilholk, you could try to see if aptitude why-not openjdk-6-jdk says something useful |
| 17:12.44 | Iridos | although so very often it does not |
| 17:13.07 | dotcom | ok thanks all..i must bring back jonas smedegaard to hotel . he need to a rest.. |
| 17:13.30 | coldtobi | devilholk, you do not manually need to remove the headless, unless it conflicts somehow, and then let aptitude to the math |
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| 17:13.51 | coldtobi | different jdks can be installed at the same time |
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| 17:13.54 | rly | What do you think about sloccount? |
| 17:14.10 | Devilholk | I just tried apt-get install openjdk-7-jre to read the output.. but it's a lot of output. Will need to scroll around and read to try to figure out |
| 17:14.31 | Iridos | Devilholk, putting the exact command you run to install it and the output of packages to remove (before you say "n") into a pastebin would be useful at this point |
| 17:14.35 | jordanm | Devilholk: use -n -y and pastebin the output |
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| 17:14.56 | Devilholk | okay, just a sec |
| 17:15.03 | jordanm | Devilholk: erm |
| 17:15.08 | jordanm | Devilholk: sorry, that should be -s |
| 17:15.15 | nsadmin | , versions sloccount |
| 17:15.17 | judd | Package: sloccount on i386 -- lenny: 2.26-3; squeeze: 2.26-4; sid: 2.26-5; wheezy: 2.26-5 |
| 17:15.36 | nsadmin | I think it's at version 2! |
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| 17:16.21 | raven | how to dd files from a non finalized video dvd? sr0, dvd and dvdrw seems to be empty (no ff, 00 too) in hexedit |
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| 17:18.18 | Devilholk | For some reason the internet connection suddenly became VERY slow... |
| 17:18.42 | Iridos | it's the sun flares |
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| 17:18.49 | Devilholk | Or the storm |
| 17:18.52 | Devilholk | IRC works fine |
| 17:19.03 | Devilholk | Spotify died and I can't access any pastebin >.< |
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| 17:19.16 | Devilholk | Now something happened |
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| 17:19.30 | HashNuke | hey all! |
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| 17:20.33 | HashNuke | I have a system that often sets up virtual machines and destroys them. And each of those virtual machines regularly install packages. How do I setup squid-deb-proxy-client so that it acquires packages from a cache server thats remote and not part of the local LAN. According to what I read squid-deb-proxy only works when it's a LAN. But the cache server I have is remote. |
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| 17:21.27 | HashNuke | or should I be using any other tool for this purpose? |
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| 17:23.05 | Devilholk | Seems like I have an upload speed of 0.1 kb/s or so |
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| 17:26.51 | Devilholk | I'll try another browser, this is redicilous (+spell) |
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| 17:28.34 | Devilholk | Argh. This is crazy. I'm not many meters from the WLAN antenna and I have 5 MBit/s (should have 54). Something is very wrong with this computer |
| 17:28.43 | Devilholk | Maybe I should find a cable |
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| 17:34.19 | GordonFreeman | hi guys, what is your opinion of this? http://www.hackinglinuxexposed.com/sourcecode/ some security holes and bugs to fix? |
| 17:34.38 | Devilholk | I give up |
| 17:34.44 | Devilholk | I can't paste this |
| 17:34.46 | abrotman | ShinyDarkness: actually, it does |
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| 17:43.44 | bantu | Hmm. Zabbix just reported denyhosts died this morning on two diffent hosts. One running lenny, the other one squeeze. It looks like logrotate is the culprit. |
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| 17:49.22 | jsoft_ | I wonder if hibernate with a virtualbox machine running will work ok |
| 17:49.38 | gasull | Hi. I installed pdnsd in my laptop. How do I permanently change /etc/resolv.conf (or whatever file I need to change) so it points to 127.0.0.1? I think it's rewritten by NetworkManager. Also, I would like it to still to do the right thing when I'm in a network that doesn't let me surf until I click on "I agree" with the TOS. |
| 17:49.43 | TribalMan | can someone help me with some web stuff? |
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| 17:50.01 | TribalMan | I have a site on my server redirecting to another site on my server |
| 17:50.38 | TribalMan | I checked the .htaccess in the site's root folder, but there is no rewrite rule |
| 17:50.47 | TribalMan | the bind zone files look fine |
| 17:50.50 | jordanm | what's the problem? |
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| 17:51.05 | TribalMan | where else can a redirect be? |
| 17:51.15 | jordanm | in html |
| 17:51.30 | jordanm | or ServerAlias for apache |
| 17:51.40 | TribalMan | must be serveralias |
| 17:51.43 | TribalMan | thanks |
| 17:52.11 | jordanm | TribalMan: ServerAlias would only work if it comes before the vhost that defines the same domain as ServerName |
| 17:52.58 | jordanm | in the vhost configuration if you are running apache |
| 17:53.11 | TribalMan | etc apache2 extra httpd-vhosts.conf & |
| 17:53.31 | TribalMan | ? |
| 17:54.04 | jordanm | TribalMan: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/<vhost for that site> |
| 17:54.31 | TribalMan | jordanm: thank you so much |
| 17:55.03 | lstarnes | shouldn't that be sites-available instead of sites-enabled? |
| 17:55.41 | coldtobi | so, having amd79xx solved my issue with my missing dvd drive... btw, is there a reason why this module is not enabled by default in debian's stock kernel? |
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| 17:57.09 | TribalMan | lstarnes: good qurestion |
| 17:57.13 | TribalMan | *question |
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| 18:03.21 | omi | Hello, is there any way to install SUN JRE without X window crap? |
| 18:03.43 | jsoft_ | omi: probably not |
| 18:03.45 | omi | I could install the package that I get from sun, but I'm interested in having the server update itself daily, as java is getting very frequent updates |
| 18:03.55 | omi | and I don't want X crap on my server. |
| 18:03.57 | omi | :( |
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| 18:04.41 | omi | Fine, X wins :( |
| 18:04.43 | jordanm | omi: try -R for without recommends |
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| 18:05.24 | jsoft_ | jordanm: what do you mean -R ? |
| 18:05.54 | thewanderer1 | omi, also, how about openjdk-6-jre ? |
| 18:06.00 | lstarnes | it requires X |
| 18:06.08 | lstarnes | it's not an optional dependency |
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| 18:06.14 | lstarnes | however |
| 18:06.21 | lstarnes | there is openjdk6-jre-headless |
| 18:06.25 | jordanm | jsoft_: aptitude -R |
| 18:06.44 | omi | X libs+xserver is the required deps. I know my stuff works on sun-java I just don't want to find out that something exotic is broken |
| 18:07.02 | jordanm | lstarnes: which package? sun-java6-bin recommends X11 libs, and sun-java6-jre doesn't recommend nor depend on X |
| 18:07.07 | omi | (I don't have anything against openjdk, I just know that sun-java works) |
| 18:07.11 | lstarnes | omi: it should still work on openjdk-6-jre or openjdk-6-jre-hradless |
| 18:07.21 | lstarnes | hmm |
| 18:07.28 | lstarnes | then there's sun-java6-jre too |
| 18:07.29 | jordanm | omi: aptitude install sun-java6-jre -R |
| 18:07.30 | omi | somtimes there are cases when something is broken due to environment issues |
| 18:07.50 | s70rm_ | skype, how? |
| 18:08.00 | omi | jordanm nice! |
| 18:08.28 | lstarnes | s70rm_: have you checked out http://wiki.debian.org/skype ? |
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| 18:09.20 | s70rm_ | lstarnes: i am checking |
| 18:10.06 | TribalMan | can anyone recommend a tutorial on setting up/managing a webiste from scratch (without the likes of webmin) |
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| 18:11.12 | jordanm | the UNIX and Linux System Administration Handbook perhaps |
| 18:11.13 | s70rm_ | lstarnes: ia32-libs : Depends: lib32bz2-1.0 but it is not going to be installed and many more on required packages for amd64 |
| 18:11.38 | omi | Sorry, I need a refresher on what's debian releases. Squeeze is the recent release? to get updates for it I need 'deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main non-free' ? |
| 18:11.41 | lstarnes | s70rm_: well, skype is 32-bit only so it requires a multilib environment when used on a 64-bit system |
| 18:11.49 | lstarnes | omi: correct |
| 18:11.52 | s70rm_ | lstarnes: that i am pasting |
| 18:11.54 | TribalMan | jordanm: something a bit more basic like maybe http://library.linode.com/lamp-guides/debian-6-squeeze |
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| 18:11.58 | valdyn | omi: yes, but add "contrib" to that line if you have non-free |
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| 18:12.10 | jordanm | TribalMan: that looks fine |
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| 18:12.43 | coldtobi1 | omi: are just interested in stable or a specific stable release? (squeeeze) |
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| 18:13.02 | TribalMan | jordanm: thanks, will use it then |
| 18:13.12 | omi | I'm interested in latest stable |
| 18:13.14 | omi | + updates |
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| 18:13.21 | lstarnes | then squeeze |
| 18:13.31 | coldtobi1 | I would not write squeeze, but stable instead |
| 18:13.31 | omi | sec. |
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| 18:13.38 | omi | right! |
| 18:13.50 | jordanm | using "stable" is *not* recommended for sources.list |
| 18:13.57 | lstarnes | you can always upgrade from squeeze to wheezy when wheezy becomes stable |
| 18:14.12 | omi | I think having a specific release is safer for my case. |
| 18:14.22 | jordanm | when the next release becomes stable, there are steps that will need to be taken to upgrade to a new release. you don't want it to happen on accident |
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| 18:14.30 | omi | as I assume that in one perfect moment, stable can roll-over to the next stable release. |
| 18:14.38 | omi | EXACTLY! |
| 18:14.39 | lstarnes | omi: that doesn't happen |
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| 18:14.50 | lstarnes | sometimes manual intervention is needed |
| 18:14.57 | omi | http://i.imgur.com/mHqrd.png |
| 18:15.06 | Bogus8 | Could someone please look at this log and tell me if they can see a reason why my server rebooted the last time (I have the output of syslog and the uptime (line 713 or something) and the current `date` output when I ran these commands (so you can know where in the log I SHOULD have crashed (about 1800 hours) http://pastebin.com/VUkKR6EC |
| 18:15.30 | omi | getting an issue with AMD64 dist sources, any ideas? |
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| 18:15.48 | coldtobi1 | is http://debian.org/ a valid mirror? |
| 18:16.14 | Bogus8 | also anyone use 3ware cards? 3d2m has run a "verify" several times since I built this system and I don't remember it ever doing that before on my other systems I have with this setup. Is there a setting that this package may have turned on that I'm not aware of? |
| 18:16.18 | coldtobi1 | I'd expected ftp.??.debian.org |
| 18:16.19 | jordanm | coldtobi1: never was. ftp.<cc>.debian.org |
| 18:16.32 | nkuttler | omi: use a pastebin, not screenshots |
| 18:16.32 | jordanm | !cnd |
| 18:16.35 | jordanm | !cdn |
| 18:16.35 | dpkg | [cdn] Package <changelogs> are available at http://changelogs.debian.net/ . For information on cdn.debian.net, ask me about <geo sources.list>. |
| 18:16.48 | coldtobi1 | omi, seems you have the wrong mirror |
| 18:16.54 | jordanm | !tell coldtobi1 about geo sources.list |
| 18:17.03 | Minotaur | Ok so I'm having some issues with mounting NTFS, So far I've added my self to the FUSE group and now it is giving me the error: ntfs-3g-mount: user has no write access to mountpoint /media/usb0 |
| 18:17.06 | lstarnes | Bogus8: it doesn't really reveal anything to me |
| 18:17.06 | omi | there was a default one ftp something, I've added contrib and non-free and it didn't work |
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| 18:17.14 | DasEi | coldtobi1: (maybe use google translate) : http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 18:17.25 | omi | (I'm cominb back to debian from SUSE, forgetting basic stuff) |
| 18:17.27 | Bogus8 | lstarnes: ok... maybe a power glitch or hard ware glitch... I'll keep monitoring. Thanks |
| 18:17.29 | Minotaur | Any solution? |
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| 18:17.39 | coldtobi1 | I know about mirrors ;-) |
| 18:17.40 | Bogus8 | lstarnes: I was at least looking in the right places right? |
| 18:17.45 | lstarnes | Bogus8: I think so |
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| 18:17.54 | Bogus8 | lstarnes: appreciate it. |
| 18:18.00 | nkuttler | Minotaur: give your user +w on the mountpoint.. |
| 18:18.37 | Minotaur | Ok |
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| 18:19.46 | coldtobi1 | omi: check your /etc/sources.list, your URLs inside seems to be incomplete |
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| 18:22.12 | omi | what's the right way to have security updates packages? |
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| 18:22.37 | omi | security.debian.org/ squeeze main ....... |
| 18:22.39 | omi | ? |
| 18:22.58 | jordanm | !security sources.list |
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| 18:23.26 | jordanm | omi: see "man sources.list". it has examples |
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| 18:25.44 | omi | Found a great resource: sources list generator http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 18:27.09 | BullHorns | Ok I'm back, I used chmod ugo-rwx /media/usb0 and I restared and I'm still getting the same error not having write permissions |
| 18:27.49 | omi | thanks a lot guys! |
| 18:28.35 | coldtobi1 | apt-spy is also a nice tool ;-) |
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| 18:29.04 | BullHorns | Oh sorry forgot to say I'm the same person as Minotaur, I had a nick change because I forgot this is my old (Registered) nick |
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| 18:30.32 | nkuttler | BullHorns: ls -l /whatever |
| 18:30.36 | nkuttler | BullHorns: ls -ld /whatever |
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| 18:31.10 | s70rm_ | where is sound configuration ? |
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| 18:32.03 | nkuttler | s70rm_: what do you want to configure? |
| 18:32.40 | s70rm_ | nkuttler: sound, i don't have a sound |
| 18:32.48 | nkuttler | !tell s70rm_ about audio |
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| 18:33.26 | s70rm_ | nkuttler: is available sound configuration options in perferences? |
| 18:33.39 | s70rm_ | there |
| 18:33.54 | nkuttler | s70rm_: does the kernel support your card? does alsa list it? is it unmuted? is the rest of your hardware ok? |
| 18:34.00 | s70rm_ | nkuttler: yes |
| 18:34.10 | nkuttler | s70rm_: then you'd have sound |
| 18:34.23 | s70rm_ | nkuttler: i can't find alsaconfig or something |
| 18:34.30 | s70rm_ | nkuttler: which package describes alsa config? |
| 18:35.13 | Some_Person | s70rm: alsamixer? |
| 18:35.27 | nkuttler | s70rm_: afaik debian assumes that alsa autodetects your cards.. but you can create the normal /etc/asound.conf |
| 18:35.31 | Some_Person | I came in a bit late; what is your actual problem? |
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| 18:35.37 | BullHorns | Ok so I change the owner and group to test |
| 18:35.39 | nkuttler | he didn't tell |
| 18:35.41 | buhman | if I did something like: iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -p tcp -j REDIRECT --to-ports 8123 , would that redirect *all* outgoing connections to 8123; the goal here is to send all traffic to a ssh socks tunnel |
| 18:35.44 | BullHorns | Whoops |
| 18:36.12 | valdyn | buhman: only tcp traffic |
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| 18:36.38 | BullHorns | Incomplete though, nkuttler: I changed the owner and group to test and it gives me this error: ntfs-3g-mount: mount failed: Operation not permitted |
| 18:36.39 | BullHorns | User doesn't have privilege to mount. For more information |
| 18:36.39 | s70rm_ | heh |
| 18:36.39 | BullHorns | please see: http://ntfs-3g.org/support.html#unprivileged |
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| 18:36.56 | nkuttler | !tell BullHorns about paste |
| 18:37.08 | buhman | valdyn: how would I make it all traffic? and would that even be possible? |
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| 18:44.44 | s70rm_ | nkuttler: so.. i forgot... how can i list/detect sound? or open some manager? |
| 18:44.57 | s70rm_ | re-detect |
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| 18:47.00 | nkuttler | s70rm_: try aplay -l |
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| 18:47.54 | s70rm_ | nkuttler: i want to choose a hw device, hda-intel, not the hdmi, pavucontrol gives me conneciton refused |
| 18:48.24 | nkuttler | i don't do pa |
| 18:48.42 | s70rm_ | nkuttler: kde haves a sound conf manager, in gnome i can't find that |
| 18:49.42 | nkuttler | sorry, don't use gnome either |
| 18:50.05 | s70rm_ | nkuttler: then how in console |
| 18:50.16 | s70rm_ | nkuttler: pavm or sometghing i can't remember |
| 18:50.24 | s70rm_ | pcma or what |
| 18:50.29 | nkuttler | like i said, i don't know pa |
| 18:50.50 | s70rm_ | nkuttler: why debian doesn't have a alsaconf ? |
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| 18:50.55 | s70rm_ | cmd |
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| 18:51.25 | streuner | alsaconf is history |
| 18:51.34 | streuner | what do you use, pulseaudio or ALSA? |
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| 18:52.09 | s70rm_ | streuner: doesn't matter, i need to have a enabled sound |
| 18:52.49 | streuner | fine, so whats your chipset? :-) |
| 18:53.21 | s70rm_ | streuner: integrated, hda-intel |
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| 18:53.31 | s70rm_ | streuner: in notebook |
| 18:53.39 | jhutchins_lt | streuner: He did mention pvaucontrol |
| 18:54.33 | Rabbi_Meish | hello |
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| 18:55.19 | jhutchins_lt | !aalsaconf |
| 18:55.24 | jhutchins_lt | !alsaconf |
| 18:55.24 | dpkg | alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from the alsa-utils package at version 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>, <default alsa>. See also /usr/share/doc/alsa-utils/NEWS.Debian.gz |
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| 18:55.59 | streuner | "PulseAudio Volume Control (pavucontrol) is a simple GTK based volume control tool ("mixer") for the PulseAudio sound server<<<<<<<" |
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| 18:56.23 | streuner | s70rm: it does, if you using pulseaudio, ALSA wont work... |
| 18:56.48 | s70rm_ | ? |
| 18:56.53 | coldtobi1 | mmm, now I got my DVD burner back, but udev thinks it is a floppy (at least the group is floppy).. How do I change this?# |
| 18:57.09 | s70rm_ | streuner: how can i configure my sound with alsa or pavu doesnt matter, i have only alsa now |
| 18:57.18 | s70rm_ | or pulseaudio not pavu |
| 18:57.19 | s70rm_ | :) |
| 18:57.25 | s70rm_ | i am confused why many... |
| 18:57.28 | s70rm_ | with |
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| 18:58.05 | jhutchins_lt | coldtobi1: You don't bother. It's a floppy because it has removable media. |
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| 18:58.11 | jelly-home | coldtobi1: that's not a problem if your user is currently a member of group floppy |
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| 19:00.19 | coldtobi1 | strange, I thought back in the days it worked it *was* in cdrom |
| 19:00.26 | Grunt_- | Hi. I got a broken GRUB setup of Debian, on RAID soft volumes, while upgrading from Lenny to Squeeze and from Grub to grub2 |
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| 19:00.56 | Grunt_- | After upgrading grub, I got the following behaviour: PC boots up, then starts boot from disc, then reboots right after displaying something like "grub loading" |
| 19:01.06 | coldtobi1 | added myself to floppy, just quicky re-logging in... |
| 19:01.20 | Grunt_- | I am now on an Ubuntu live CD, where I installed mdadm and chrooted to my Debian |
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| 19:01.48 | Grunt_- | I'd like to know how to fix grub in this case. I use /dev/md0 for /boot and /dev/md1 for / |
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| 19:01.50 | darkskiez_ | grub-install /dev/sda etc |
| 19:02.12 | Grunt_- | Is it supposed to be grub-install /dev/sda or grub-install /dev/md* ? |
| 19:02.16 | darkskiez_ | sda |
| 19:02.18 | darkskiez_ | and sdb etc |
| 19:02.30 | darkskiez_ | you may need to mount /proc |
| 19:02.30 | Grunt_- | Ok, all disc that BIOS may access to boot. |
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| 19:02.40 | eni23 | where i can get the actual bluez source? the bluez-page links to: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/bluetooth/ but just an empty folder wtf? |
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| 19:03.49 | Grunt_- | darkskiez_: is grub-install command for grub(-legacy) or grub2? |
| 19:04.06 | darkskiez_ | Grunt_-: i think it'll pull whatever is installed |
| 19:04.14 | Grunt_- | I'd like to check grub config in /boot/grub/menu.lst (which is grub1, right?) |
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| 19:04.27 | Grunt_- | I've switched back to grub-legacy |
| 19:04.30 | darkskiez_ | grub-install will update it |
| 19:04.31 | blubberdiblub | menu.lst ist grub 1. grub.cfg is grub 2 |
| 19:04.38 | blubberdiblub | -t |
| 19:04.40 | darkskiez_ | grub2 is far superior |
| 19:04.46 | Grunt_- | Ok, grub-legacy then menu.list |
| 19:04.52 | coldtobi1 | k3b still says "no optical drive".. shouldn't hal setup the DVD drive correctly? wodim --dev /dev/hda --checkdrive however looks good |
| 19:04.54 | darkskiez_ | i suspect you just had problems because it was half installed |
| 19:05.07 | Grunt_- | I know it works better, but it's easier to configure out grub-legacy with md arrays |
| 19:05.20 | Grunt_- | I mean, config files are readable |
| 19:06.13 | Grunt_- | Does root=/dev/md1 in linux loading command seem legit to you, in the case where /dev/md1 is / and md0 is /boot ? |
| 19:06.21 | dotcom | dpkg |
| 19:06.28 | dotcom | dpkg, |
| 19:06.28 | dpkg | dotcom: bugger all, i dunno |
| 19:06.38 | buu | Hey, I'm messing around with a new debian install, I have a 4port sata card installed in it, with 4 drives attached, but when I boot it I only see three drives and get the following message: [ 1.053186] ata2: port disabled. ignoring. |
| 19:06.47 | buu | Anyone have any ideas as to what might cause that? |
| 19:07.06 | Grunt_- | buu: May be hardware trouble on the disc, have you tried to move discs between ports? |
| 19:07.39 | Grunt_- | Put the "defective" disc on some other port and see if you get a different "ataX: port disabled" |
| 19:07.43 | buu | hrm |
| 19:07.50 | buu | I can give it a try |
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| 19:08.59 | blubberdiblub | Grunt_-, yes, the root option wants the real root filesystem. i.e. where "/" is |
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| 19:09.09 | Grunt_- | blubberdiblub: ok, thanks :)= |
| 19:09.32 | darkskiez_ | Grunt_-: grub2 support md arrays internally, so its easier than grub1 to get a robust md based ocnfig. |
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| 19:09.54 | Grunt_- | Mh.. yeah, would be better I guess. Will try for it, then. |
| 19:10.12 | darkskiez_ | Grunt_-: update-grub-config will rebuild the correct config anyway |
| 19:10.24 | Grunt_- | This is a grub2 tool, right? |
| 19:10.31 | darkskiez_ | probably both |
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| 19:10.36 | Grunt_- | (I'm installing grub2, removing grub-legacy) |
| 19:10.53 | darkskiez_ | i might have it wrongly named slightly, my debian system is awaiting new mobo |
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| 19:11.25 | Grunt_- | I wonder if using Ubuntu to chroot may change the content of /dev (of course I've binding /dev into debian chroot) |
| 19:11.42 | Grunt_- | kernel versions are very close, but who knows? |
| 19:11.49 | simonlnu | depends on the kernel |
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| 19:12.13 | Grunt_- | 2.6.32-24 versus Debian Squeeze kernel (2.6.32-5 as far as I remember) |
| 19:12.26 | blubberdiblub | Grunt_-, if you're using UUIDs everywhere, you should be fine, even if ubuntu's dev contents are different |
| 19:12.27 | simonlnu | should be ok |
| 19:12.41 | simonlnu | that'll make things easier |
| 19:12.42 | Grunt_- | Yes, and UUID mean grub2. |
| 19:12.50 | Grunt_- | Got it, got it :) |
| 19:13.09 | simonlnu | even if it's a PITA to write out by hand ;p |
| 19:13.20 | Grunt_- | yes :( |
| 19:13.37 | blubberdiblub | well, you could use gpm and copypaste it, even on virtual console |
| 19:13.41 | Grunt_- | "Grub, Y U no keep human-friendly files?" |
| 19:14.05 | Grunt_- | blubberdiblub: my mouse doesn't agree with that, or else it would be working |
| 19:14.09 | simonlnu | blubberdiblub: when gpm is available, that's what i do |
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| 19:15.36 | testswap | Hello, does debian have php-fpm? I have php53.dotdeb.org installed but they do't seem to be carring the package ? |
| 19:15.36 | Grunt_- | hu hu, Ubuntu humour: gpm is in "universe" repository, activate it. |
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| 19:16.51 | jelly-home | testswap: Debian 6 (current stable) does not have php5-fpm |
| 19:17.06 | testswap | :( |
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| 19:17.32 | testswap | I guess I would have to compile PHP then :) |
| 19:17.37 | coldtobi1 | how can i regenerate /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules ... lots of trash (old drives) in it |
| 19:17.43 | simonlnu | or use a backport if available |
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| 19:18.01 | grand_grunt | Ok, so (same guy here than Grunt_-) "grub-pc" asks for where to install grub, and gives /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, and md arrays |
| 19:18.08 | simonlnu | coldtobi1: rm it & reboot is the easiest way |
| 19:18.10 | blubberdiblub | coldtobi1, just empty it. it should be regenerated on the next reboot |
| 19:18.18 | grand_grunt | so /dev/sda & sdb |
| 19:18.19 | blubberdiblub | yeah, what simonlnu said |
| 19:18.42 | testswap | simonlnu: That was to me? If so, how would I use backport? |
| 19:18.51 | simonlnu | !bdo |
| 19:18.51 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <bdo key> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
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| 19:20.57 | coldtobi1 | i'll give it a try... (rebooting) |
| 19:21.25 | wolfric | can anyone shead some light on where ntop is in debian? it's there in ubuntu |
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| 19:22.11 | wolfric | it only seems to be in squeeze backports and not in squeeze |
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| 19:22.52 | gnarface | ,versions ntop |
| 19:22.54 | judd | Package: ntop on i386 -- lenny: 3:3.3-11+b2; squeeze-backports: 3:4.0.3+dfsg1-3~bpo60+1; sid: 3:4.1.0+dfsg1-1; wheezy: 3:4.1.0+dfsg1-1 |
| 19:23.15 | wolfric | gnarface: that just repeats what i just said... anyway doesn't matter |
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| 19:23.32 | gnarface | wolfric: yep. sorry. |
| 19:23.54 | gnarface | strange it wouldn't be in there at all |
| 19:24.00 | gnarface | maybe its in another package? |
| 19:24.01 | wolfric | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=604021 |
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| 19:24.19 | wolfric | i should have held off posting in irc while i finished searching google |
| 19:24.25 | gnarface | aah |
| 19:24.33 | gnarface | well now we all know |
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| 19:26.19 | testswap | simonlnu: E: Unable to locate package php5-fpm |
| 19:26.31 | testswap | Doesn't seem backports have a copy either |
| 19:26.45 | varogami | hello, with last update of testing not work ALT key with some applications (gnome-terminal or lxterminal + weechat) I think is a gtk problem |
| 19:26.48 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions php5-fpm |
| 19:26.49 | judd | Package: php5-fpm on i386 -- sid: 5.3.8.0-1+b1; wheezy: 5.3.8.0-1+b1; experimental: 5.4.0~beta2-1 |
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| 19:27.07 | varogami | anybody have this problems? |
| 19:27.32 | simonlnu | testswap: make a backport /msg dpkg ssb (in here) |
| 19:28.08 | coldtobi | cd persistene rules have not been recreated. seems that udev does not believe it is a cdrom / burner |
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| 19:29.04 | simonlnu | did you reboot it? |
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| 19:29.14 | testswap | simonlnu: make a backport? This my first time on Ubuntu, I don't know what that means? :s |
| 19:29.19 | testswap | err |
| 19:29.24 | testswap | Debian 6.0* |
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| 19:29.47 | simonlnu | !backport |
| 19:29.47 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 19:31.33 | coldtobi | simonlnu: yes |
| 19:32.03 | simonlnu | it should have. that's one of 2 files it'll regenerate |
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| 19:32.24 | coldtobi | the second is? |
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| 19:32.39 | blubberdiblub | the nic-related file |
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| 19:33.05 | blubberdiblub | 70-persistent-net.rules |
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| 19:33.13 | coldtobi | saw it... is it regenerated every reboot? |
| 19:33.22 | coldtobi | cause timestamp i march... |
| 19:33.24 | coldtobi | is |
| 19:33.47 | blubberdiblub | yes, they are regenerated if it detects stuff that is not already in those files. otherwise it isn't |
| 19:33.57 | s70rm_ | where is default linux kernel console font file ? |
| 19:33.59 | simonlnu | yup, what he said |
| 19:34.18 | simonlnu | s70rm_: inside it |
| 19:34.31 | coldtobi | k, seems that I bought that mainboard march... |
| 19:34.36 | vlt | Hello. I get this err msg 'e100 0000:02:06.0: firmware: requesting e100/d101m_ucode.bin' 'e100: eth1: e100_request_firmware: Failed to load firmware "e100/d101m_ucode.bin": -2'. Any idea what's missing here? |
| 19:34.45 | jhutchins_lt | !de |
| 19:34.45 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 19:35.00 | vlt | Kernel is 2.6.32-5-486 |
| 19:35.40 | jhutchins_lt | vlt: The firmware. |
| 19:35.40 | simonlnu | vlt: yeh, firmware, like it implies |
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| 19:35.53 | jhutchins_lt | !e1000 |
| 19:35.54 | dpkg | e1000 is the Intel PRO/1000 network driver, part of the Linux kernel. It does not require firmware from userspace. See also <e1000e>, <igb>. Not to be confused with the <e100> driver. |
| 19:35.55 | vlt | jhutchins_lt, simonlnu: Yes, but why? |
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| 19:36.02 | jhutchins_lt | !e100 |
| 19:36.02 | dpkg | e100 is the Intel PRO/100 network driver, part of the Linux kernel. Firmware from userspace (Debian 2.6.29 and later kernels) is only required for support of non-<ICH> devices; i.e. PCI IDs 8086:1229 (rev 8), 8086:1229 (rev 9) and 8086:1229 (rev F/10). e100 firmware (d101m_ucode.bin, d101s_ucode.bin, d102e_ucode.bin) is packaged for Debian in firmware-linux-nonfree, ask me about <non-free sources>. See also <firmware images>. |
| 19:36.09 | jelly-home | !e10 |
| 19:36.12 | jhutchins_lt | !firmware |
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| 19:36.22 | simonlnu | jelly-home: heh |
| 19:36.26 | jhutchins_lt | !firmware |
| 19:36.26 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
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| 19:36.50 | vlt | jhutchins_lt: I see. Thanks. |
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| 19:37.15 | jhutchins_lt | vlt: It's pretty easy to handle, but it can be tricky if it's the only connection you have |
| 19:37.22 | s70rm_ | how can i set console-cyrillic to use default font and size for kenel, i don't want to change this? |
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| 19:37.51 | lstarnes | s70rm_: you might have to if the default font lacks cyrillic characters |
| 19:37.55 | vlt | jhutchins_lt: It isn't but the pkg is missing in apt. |
| 19:37.59 | testswap | simonlnu: From what i understand, I'm downloading the source and building a package? What's the difference with simply downloading the src from php.net and compiling? |
| 19:38.05 | vlt | jhutchins_lt: Certain repo to add? |
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| 19:38.31 | walid_ | I installed rsync as a xinetd service. Now when I run chkconfig, rsync appears both as an Init service and as a xinetd service. Is it supposed to be this way ? |
| 19:38.33 | s70rm_ | lstarnes: what means that |
| 19:38.34 | simonlnu | testswap: the backport you get all the debian packaging |
| 19:38.56 | vlt | !non-free |
| 19:38.57 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system run "aptitude search '~i~scontrib'". For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 19:39.00 | lstarnes | s70rm_: you might be unable to use console-cyrillic with the default font |
| 19:39.07 | lstarnes | I'm not sure |
| 19:39.17 | thewanderer1 | walid_, I don't think so... you should probably disable one of them |
| 19:39.27 | simonlnu | for stuff like that, it's a lot saner than having a a whole bunch of files around the system, untracked |
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| 19:40.13 | walid_ | thewanderer1, how can i disable the one running as an Init service ? |
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| 19:40.26 | eni23 | where i can found the bluez-***-commands in squeeze? they don't seem to exist. tryed backports allready no such package and semms hard to build the acutal source (tried and failed 2x) |
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| 19:41.32 | thewanderer1 | walid_, see update-rc.d-insserv - it has an option for disabling services |
| 19:41.42 | coldtobi | well, /sys/block/hda/uevent tells "disk", /sys/block/hda/device/uevent tells me ide-cd ... |
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| 19:45.52 | coldtobi | udevadm test /sys/block/hda gives this: http://paste.debian.net/148906/ |
| 19:46.21 | coldtobi | so the question is *why* does my system think this is not a cdrom... |
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| 19:47.00 | eni23 | does nomeone knows a gtk-changelog-viever?i think about somethonk like rss with changelogs. this should exist? |
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| 19:49.48 | walid_ | /etc/init.d |
| 19:50.07 | walid_ | sorry |
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| 19:50.58 | eni23 | coldtobi: are you shure that tha |
| 19:51.12 | eni23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.21 | djace | hi |
| 19:51.27 | djace | what are the correct permissons for /tmp? |
| 19:51.30 | djace | 1777? |
| 19:51.51 | thewanderer1 | djace, yup |
| 19:52.11 | djace | thewanderer1, thanks |
| 19:52.25 | coldtobi | eni23: I did not get your question.. /dev/hda is my cdrom (it is actually a DVD burner if this makes a difference) |
| 19:53.18 | thewanderer1 | eni23, alas, changelogs don't have a standardised format... if you come up with one, you can expect a reader within the next five years :P |
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| 19:55.00 | eni23 | coldtobi: what's wrong then? in your paste it looks like an dvd-device (BENQ_DVD_LS_DW1655) so input a cd/dvd and mount it! |
| 19:55.59 | lstarnes | djace: I believe so |
| 19:56.05 | coldtobi | I'd love to use it as a burner as well... |
| 19:56.30 | coldtobi | and e.g k3b tells me "no optical drive found" |
| 19:56.40 | eni23 | thewanderer1: i was thinking something like that. just mabye someone worked for this before. i think a webservice that converts changelogs in rss would be it. |
| 19:58.05 | eni23 | thewanderer1: just put up a site which users can sign up and add own changlogs. and give it all away per rss. would be som days to implement it but mabye worth it? |
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| 19:59.28 | eni23 | are here other users that would use such a changelog-rss-service? |
| 19:59.35 | DasEi | coldtobi: hda ? what does sudo fdisk -l tell ? sda is usually first hd (squeeze), /dev/cdrom or the like would be device |
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| 20:00.02 | coldtobi | DasEi: This is what I would expect. |
| 20:00.34 | DasEi | coldtobi: what does sudo fdisk -l tell ? |
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| 20:00.49 | DasEi | -l is small L |
| 20:01.02 | DasEi | hda/sda ? |
| 20:01.11 | coldtobi | But it seems that udev believes it is a harddrive... |
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| 20:01.32 | DasEi | coldtobi: what does sudo fdisk -l tell ? |
| 20:01.36 | coldtobi | however, fdisk -l tells (as expected) disk /dev/hda doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 20:01.56 | eni23 | i think sda is for serial attached devices (like sata) and hda is for ide? |
| 20:02.05 | coldtobi | this is an IDE DVD |
| 20:02.11 | DasEi | so hda is your first harddrive, just for a test, launch k3b as root |
| 20:02.42 | coldtobi | just a sec |
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| 20:04.18 | eni23 | coldtobi: if you dont have own udev-rules try "dpkg-reconfigure udev" |
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| 20:05.13 | eni23 | i dont really know your problem. but if udev have a problem with conffiles this sould solve it |
| 20:05.53 | muszek | hi... I wanna install a _basic_ mail server to send e-mails from php scripts... how should I do it? The simplier and faster, the better |
| 20:06.23 | eni23 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:06.42 | coldtobi | tried already dpkg-reconfigure |
| 20:07.14 | eni23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.26 | muszek | ty |
| 20:07.50 | DasEi | coldtobi: do you run from a live cd ?? or just say what devices that box got, it's too wierd, and is it squeeze ? |
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| 20:08.15 | DasEi | eni23: fdisk shows /dev/hda |
| 20:08.40 | eni23 | DasEi: sorry disconnectet for a sec. do you have the link again |
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| 20:15.06 | DasEi | coldtobi ,coldtobi1 : root succesfull ? |
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| 20:17.19 | john_rambo | AFAIK I am using the nvidia proprietary driver ....Is there a way to find out which driver is in use? |
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| 20:17.50 | eni23 | john_rambo: try glxinfo |
| 20:18.07 | coldtobi1 | I have problems with k3b running as root.... |
| 20:18.27 | DasEi | john_rambo: or dpk -l nvidia* |
| 20:18.29 | coldtobi1 | my xauth experience is rusty... |
| 20:18.30 | eni23 | what problems |
| 20:18.34 | DasEi | john_rambo: or dpkg -l nvidia* |
| 20:18.59 | eni23 | DasEi: if he installed it via the propertary driver |
| 20:19.03 | eni23 | this wont work |
| 20:19.28 | nkuttler | dpkg -l will not show what he's *using*... maybe what's installed |
| 20:19.29 | dpkg | No packages found matching will not show what he's *using*... maybe what's installed |
| 20:19.36 | nkuttler | dpkg: bah |
| 20:19.36 | dpkg | it has been said that bah is everyone's other favourite word (see heh) |
| 20:19.44 | jsoft_ | meh |
| 20:21.48 | john_rambo | DasEi, http://pastebin.com/tuyT8nLL |
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| 20:22.04 | john_rambo | eni23, command not found |
| 20:22.15 | coldtobi1 | also for root no optical drive |
| 20:22.45 | eni23 | john_rambo: normally you will see the nvidia-logo before the xserver starts |
| 20:23.29 | DasEi | john_rambo: mind channels comments ; looks like nvidia-glx 195.36.31-6 , nvidia-settings will show more |
| 20:24.09 | eni23 | john_rambo: really? if you have installed drivers from the repo it should install glxgears & co |
| 20:24.16 | somiaj | eni23: I thought they changed that default and now you don't see the nvidia logo unless you add an option to the xorg.conf file. |
| 20:24.23 | DasEi | coldtobi:what devices that box got, it's too wierd, and is it squeeze ? |
| 20:25.05 | eni23 | somiaj: could be. installed before 2 months from nvidia-website. and it shows a logo |
| 20:26.04 | somiaj | eni23: then I could be mistaken some how I thought I don't see it anymore. Though I only use nvidia packages from debian non-free. |
| 20:26.08 | coldtobi | DasEi: I have since years sid running. Other devices: 1 SATA HD, 1 IDE HD, and that f** burner.. |
| 20:26.15 | eni23 | john_rambo: oh you should do: apt-get install mesa-utils |
| 20:26.19 | coldtobi | I can pastebin lspci |
| 20:26.43 | eni23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.01 | eni23 | john_rambo: then you have glxinfo. |
| 20:27.16 | DasEi | coldtobi; I see, so hda and sda are shown that are your hard drives, cd to /dev/ and look for sth. like cdrom, cdrw or such |
| 20:27.54 | DasEi | john_rambo: nvidia-settings will also give that info and also if in use |
| 20:27.57 | coldtobi | nothing.. no sr0, no cdrom no dvd.. |
| 20:28.05 | coldtobi | well, there is now a cdrom, as i symlinked it |
| 20:28.51 | DasEi | coldtobi; apt-get install hawinfo pastebinit && hwinfo | pastebinit , give resulting url here (do from a root account) |
| 20:29.18 | DasEi | hwinfo,^ |
| 20:29.33 | somiaj | eni23: yea I don't see a flash anymore. But I know there is an option youc anturn it on/off. (: |
| 20:29.37 | john_rambo | eni23, http://pastebin.com/jc9DPfCw |
| 20:29.40 | coldtobi | http://paste.debian.net/148913/ (lspci) hwinfo on the way |
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| 20:29.59 | elmac | !list |
| 20:29.59 | dpkg | elmac: e possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero con http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 20:30.59 | eni23 | john_rambo: yup, that looks you have it installed. try "glxgears" if it runs smooth whats your problem then? |
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| 20:31.10 | john_rambo | DasEi, Thereis no nvidia-settings installed |
| 20:31.21 | elmac | !list mp3 |
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| 20:32.11 | eni23 | john_rambo: you need to install a package called nvidia-settings to get this binary |
| 20:32.45 | DasEi | john_rambo: that amongst others comes both ways usually, repo or nvidia, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get -f install any hints there ? |
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| 20:34.23 | eni23 | DasEi: hes list shows that dpkg has removed nvidia-settings |
| 20:34.42 | DasEi | the - l pastie , a good hint |
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| 20:35.44 | john_rambo | eni23, DasEi Installed nvidia-settings. THANKS. |
| 20:35.59 | eni23 | that was easy :) |
| 20:36.46 | DasEi | eni23: does it show driver not just installed but in use ? sometimes need nvidia-xconfig and a restart of x too, run from out of x |
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| 20:37.05 | coldtobi | hwinfo http://pastebin.com/2U1Jir5i |
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| 20:37.30 | malucious10 | anyone know how to add the Libreoffice programs to obmenu? |
| 20:37.39 | hikenboot | how do i tell if a host is properly setup to run kvm machines is there a kvm-ok or similar package for debian? |
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| 20:39.08 | jsoft_ | ... |
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| 20:40.13 | eni23 | DasEi: what you mean? |
| 20:40.42 | DasEi | eni23: nick miss, sry |
| 20:40.57 | DasEi | john_rambo: does it show driver not just installed but in use ? sometimes need nvidia-xconfig and a restart of x too, run from out of x |
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| 20:41.17 | DasEi | coldtobi: it's found least |
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| 20:42.03 | DasEi | http://pastebin.com/vx4jsin3 |
| 20:43.02 | DasEi | coldtobi: is it a cd or dvd burner ? ide, cd I guess .. |
| 20:43.13 | coldtobi | dvd burner. |
| 20:43.20 | coldtobi | ide, yes |
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| 20:44.08 | eni23 | coldtobi: bad question: you have entered a cd named "Steuer". do you try with empty ones? |
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| 20:44.53 | coldtobi | let me just swap disks... do you mean empty drive or blank media |
| 20:45.07 | DasEi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.26 | DasEi | coldtobi: let's simply try to mount it manually |
| 20:45.47 | DasEi | stay with that steuer disk |
| 20:46.24 | coldtobi1 | I can mount it manually |
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| 20:46.58 | DasEi | coldtobi : which devicename ? scd0 or sth ? |
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| 20:49.14 | coldtobi1 | let me see... I have hda, no sr?, no scd?, however it seems to have created sg0 10 minutes ago |
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| 20:49.36 | eni23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.55 | eni23 | its how o |
| 20:50.11 | eni23 | its how i told /dev/sXX is for sata or serial only |
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| 20:50.30 | eni23 | ide is mapped under /dev/hXXX |
| 20:50.41 | kingsley | What is the so called "debian way" for administrators to upgrade a package on a computer running the stable distribution? |
| 20:50.59 | eni23 | kingsley: apt-get upgrade? |
| 20:51.00 | malucious10 | anyone know how to add the Libreoffice programs to obmenu? |
| 20:51.08 | DasEi | apt-get upgrade as root ?! |
| 20:51.13 | coldtobi1 | eni23: right.. this part is matching reality and expectations... |
| 20:51.14 | Imran-UK | whats the proper way to make debian use vlc to open any media file by default from nautilus? |
| 20:51.27 | eni23 | kingsley: or backports |
| 20:51.43 | coldtobi1 | ok, blank media is in, I redo hwinfo |
| 20:51.49 | somiaj | Imran-UK: you will have to configure nauutilus. Start looking though its options. (: |
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| 20:52.05 | eni23 | Imran-UK: right click-> settings -> open with tab |
| 20:52.20 | eni23 | Imran-UK: this is an classical RTFM |
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| 20:53.13 | coldtobi1 | one observation: eject /dev/hda opens tray and it immediatly closes again. same with the eject button. (However, cannot tell if the drive thinks that the bay is jammed) |
| 20:53.19 | Juozapas | hi, i try to start openbox-session but reveive "failed to open the display from the DISPLAY environment variable". If I run startx everything looks good except .config/openbox/autostart doesn't work. any ideas ? |
| 20:53.28 | DasEi | coldtobi: if you found correct devicename, ad it to fstab and own the mountdir to regular k3b user, I'm out, and thanks eni23 |
| 20:53.33 | DasEi | add* |
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| 20:54.00 | kingsley | eni23 & DasEi: I may owe you an apology for not explaining that the "apt-cache policy <package-name>" command says the stable distribution does not have a newer version of the buggy package. |
| 20:54.01 | coldtobi1 | vielen dank, DasEi |
| 20:54.11 | jelly-home | kingsley: if the newer version is available in repos (apt-cache policy packagename will show the Candidate version), just do apt-get install packagename |
| 20:54.11 | eni23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.12 | Imran-UK | eni23, there seems to be multiple ways and i am unsure how "unified" they are. "system > prefs > preferred apps" is one way, you have detailed another, and another is nautilus > edit > prefs > media |
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| 20:54.43 | Imran-UK | somiaj, thanks. that seems reliable, i have found some ways of configuring this are not persistent |
| 20:54.44 | kingsley | jelly-home: I may owe you an apology for not explaining that the "apt-cache policy <package-name>" command says the stable distribution does not have a newer version of the buggy package. |
| 20:54.47 | jelly-home | kingsley: which package in particular are you interested in and which is the buggy version? |
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| 20:55.01 | DasEi | kingsley: happens, try in a vm if you can compile a newer version without issues |
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| 20:55.32 | eni23 | Imran-UK: YOU ask for nautilus-specific so what answer did u except if you allready knows it? |
| 20:55.45 | sts | hello folks. are there any standards regarding debian package names? when should i call it eg. python-foo or just foo? |
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| 20:56.45 | jelly-home | sts: I guess you might want to read http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ |
| 20:56.47 | coldtobi1 | ... was already in fstab... |
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| 20:56.59 | eni23 | Imran-UK: they all just write settings to gconf. so you could edit with gconf-editor too. and with sed and cat to in linux there are million ways to do something |
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| 20:57.11 | DasEi | sts: there are few , like .py for python or .sh for shell scripts, though called right works without those, too |
| 20:57.13 | jelly-home | sts: in particular http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ch-module_packages.html#s-package_names |
| 20:57.15 | Amarande | Soo ... using abcde on squeeze, I run into a fair number of CDs that are not present in the database, or only have artist/title information and no track titles |
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| 20:57.28 | eni23 | Imran-UK: if it works its the right way ;) |
| 20:57.41 | Amarande | If you say yes you want to edit the CDDB information though, all that comes up is a text editor with a blank file with no indication as to what format is wanted |
| 20:57.45 | Amarande | What format am I supposed to use there? |
| 20:58.16 | Imran-UK | eni23, but i don't know the answer. like i say, i am unsure how unified all the settings are. i'd like something more sold and if i may, more windows-like, from gnome when it coems to opening a filetype with the same app consistently. |
| 20:58.24 | Imran-UK | *solid |
| 20:58.24 | sts | jelly-home: so if its python scripts which are beeing installed to usr/bin, then i the package shouldn't be called python-foo? |
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| 20:58.40 | eni23 | Imran-UK: then change to ubuntu or windows |
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| 20:58.55 | Imran-UK | eni23, ok, thanks for your help :/ |
| 20:59.01 | eni23 | Imran-UK: you wont be happy with debian then |
| 20:59.52 | jelly-home | sts: right, the manguage an app is written in doesn't have to be reflected in the package name |
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| 21:00.26 | eni23 | Imran-UK: the right click opens with works 100% for me. (dont forget that there are alot ov movie types like avi,mkv,wmv you need to do it for each file |
| 21:00.29 | coldtobi1 | hwinfo with blank disk in the drive http://pastebin.com/GDqc3jZu |
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| 21:01.16 | Imran-UK | eni23, ok. btw i'm very happy with debian. in fact, i it has usurped ubuntu as my primary desktop os. |
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| 21:01.24 | kingsley | jelly-home: Thanks for asking. Your very reasonable question prompted me to double check the package versions, and I noticed a newer version evidently is available. I'd like to upgrade version 2.6.32-35 of linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 in squeeze (stable) to version 2.6.32-39. |
| 21:01.27 | eni23 | Imran-UK: em i mean for each file type not each file |
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| 21:02.15 | eni23 | Imran-UK: then don't complain about the way it works. if you want it more easyer and windwos like take ubuntu or windows |
| 21:02.16 | jelly-home | kingsley: just install it (again), or upgrade all currently installed packages |
| 21:03.42 | eni23 | coldtobi1: that looks not bad. do you really need k3b? did u try brasero? |
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| 21:04.14 | kingsley | jelly-home: Yes, I'm installing it again. |
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| 21:04.53 | Imran-UK | eni23, it was a more a "how do i do this please..." than a complaint. i'm a debian advocate everywhere where i can be. |
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| 21:06.35 | kingsley | jelly-home: Do you happen to know the debian way to upgrade to an even newer kernel if the bug is also in stable's latest version? |
| 21:06.50 | eni23 | coldtobi1: but your pasties tells me that speak german? so u live in germany? why not just buy a new one ? i mean it coast 10-20 euros, i bet you spendt more thime than you would work for this ammount? imho its not worth to work days for a common device sould work with linux |
| 21:06.51 | Amarande | dpkg tell kingsley about bpo |
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| 21:07.29 | eni23 | (i did the same with an bt-dongle after 10 hours of tryying i buyed one for 9euros just plugged in and works :) |
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| 21:09.31 | coldtobi | eni: I do not think that this is a hw problem |
| 21:09.49 | kingsley | Amarande: Do you think I may be able to use a newer kernel package that was backported to stable? |
| 21:09.57 | coldtobi | at least not the DVD |
| 21:10.15 | Amarande | kingsley: there is a 2.6.39 kernel available on the debian backports site |
| 21:10.26 | ompaul | !kmuto |
| 21:10.27 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 2.6.39) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/i386/ch04s03 |
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| 21:14.02 | coldtobi | I think it is some configuration problem on my side, but I just running out of ideas... Well, at least I have read-access to the drive (the stock kernel did not contain the amd79xx module which prevented the drive to be recognized -- the hd on the same ide channel was detected though) |
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| 21:14.36 | eni23 | coldtobi: a question: do you have |
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| 21:15.04 | eni23 | coldtobi: a question: do you have a secound drive? then try out ubuntu life and see if it works there? |
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| 21:15.53 | coldtobi | second harddrive? |
| 21:16.11 | eni23 | no secound disc drive for an life cd |
| 21:16.37 | coldtobi | the bios recognizes it, so booting from it should work |
| 21:16.53 | coldtobi | but i should have some old drive somewhere on the shelf |
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| 21:17.01 | eni23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.28 | eni23 | coldtobi: this is an old drive too. so mabye replace it wih one of them? |
| 21:17.46 | coldtobi | this is a dvd rom... |
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| 21:17.53 | coldtobi | the one on the shelf |
| 21:18.29 | AciD_ | hi |
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| 21:18.43 | coldtobi | but I can try (cost less time) to hook up my ancient cd writer and see if this one is recognized |
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| 21:18.49 | eni23 | coldtobi: oh DVD-ROM. you need to mount the fs on it to burn then |
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| 21:20.21 | coldtobi | I'll try that with the cdwriter... |
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| 21:21.42 | coldtobi1 | I do not burn very often |
| 21:22.08 | eni23 | coldtobi: you ca get them really easy i think for free if you search a little. thats better than spend hours in terminal-trouble. |
| 21:23.23 | tdrusk | I just did a minimal install and am looking for a lightweight volume applet. Any suggestions? |
| 21:23.24 | AciD_ | I'm trying to connect my debian box (core i3-2105 with hd 3000 graphics) to my brand new dell u2711. Krandrtray only gives me 1600x1200 max resolution instead of 2560x1440. Is there a way to force that bigger resolution ? |
| 21:23.25 | eni23 | coldtobi1: mee to i dont know if my burner is workig.. was long ago. but just keep in mind that these devices can goes crazy |
| 21:24.03 | tdrusk | AciD_: you can maybe use xrandr to generate a modeline and use it. |
| 21:24.07 | coldtobi1 | I could at least erase a CD-RW with the burner, so in principle it works. |
| 21:24.14 | eni23 | i mean sometimes older buners just wont work- in windows too. then just replace solves the problem. i saw that often |
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| 21:24.42 | AciD_ | tdrusk: i'll try to find information about modeline, thank you |
| 21:24.44 | coldtobi1 | I think that is good news, not perfect but a state I can live with |
| 21:24.59 | tdrusk | AciD_: follow this http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-change-display-resolution-settings-using-xrandr.html |
| 21:25.14 | AciD_ | tdrusk: thanks ! |
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| 21:25.53 | coldtobi1 | but the last two things I try: 1) boot only with the DVD burnder (remove the hdd) and 2) try that old Philips CDRW if k3b barks on it |
| 21:25.58 | eni23 | coldtobi1: the main problem is that there is no tool to tell if a drive is working like it should (i mean the hardware). in these times its just not worth the troubles |
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| 21:26.46 | coldtobi1 | eni23, your're right. hw's a bitch sometimes. |
| 21:27.04 | eni23 | coldtobi1: i really think your device-hardware is faulty. i never had any problems with working drives |
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| 21:27.44 | eni23 | coldtobi1: you mean consumer hardware? (there is really nice hardware with eg serial output but not for consumers) |
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| 21:28.39 | qwd | Looking for a very simple to use graphical client for sftp (as in openssh, not ftp with ssl) for someone, suggestions? |
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| 21:28.47 | eni23 | but its impossible to hw-debug an 30€ device. just not worth the trouble and if you can do it you will spend more money with usefuller things. |
| 21:28.49 | abrotman | qwd: filezilla |
| 21:28.52 | qwd | This is in Xfce by the way, so not Nautilus. |
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| 21:29.39 | eni23 | coldtobi1: i dont know this in english but such devices are desiged as :"wegwerfware" |
| 21:29.54 | coldtobi1 | eni23: well, the symtoms are not like dying hardware.. you know, I read from the drive, wodim/brasero can work with it... Maybe it is a broken-by-design hardware... |
| 21:30.13 | qwd | abrotman: That's the simplest one? I seem to remember having trouble setting it up ages ago on Windows. |
| 21:30.14 | coldtobi1 | eni: they are... |
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| 21:30.33 | coldtobi1 | (I'm engineer, so I know the math behind) |
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| 21:31.53 | eni23 | coldtobi1: ok me too. my assumption is that is just not wort the trouble i mean engineers get a lot of money in work. |
| 21:32.00 | coldtobi1 | so I'll poweroff this machine for a second to swap drives.. my netbook (coldtobi) is on the other floor, so I will be not able to follow..... |
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| 21:32.22 | coldtobi1 | eni23: its "ehrgeiz" at the moment... |
| 21:32.37 | qwd | abrotman: no other suggestions so guess that's it. thanks! |
| 21:33.00 | coldtobi1 | (and the other option is tax declaration) |
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| 21:33.05 | eni23 | coldtobi1: oh get it now :) imho its not worth for common-devices but you know it better |
| 21:33.28 | eni23 | coldtobi1: yes i know (label: "steuern") |
| 21:34.08 | coldtobi1 | btw, it seems that k3b is playing me the tricks. VirtualBox (the tax programm is win only) thinks it is a dvd drive... |
| 21:34.30 | eni23 | coldtobi1: try infrared on windows then! |
| 21:34.48 | coldtobi1 | IR? |
| 21:35.22 | eni23 | coldtobi1: i mean infrarecorder, damn wine and english together |
| 21:35.55 | eni23 | and i dont mean the app called wine ;) |
| 21:36.00 | S1kx | if I have a /29 subnet and a private subnet with a couple of servers (in a private 192.168.3.x subnet) and i want to give each of them internet access and make them reachable via one of the external IPs in the subnet, would I have to setup an own interface alias for each of the IPs and do SNAT+DNAT for each, or is there a more straight-forward way? |
| 21:36.23 | coldtobi1 | a pretty good idea, the wine |
| 21:36.47 | eni23 | coldtobi1: you sould drank it hour ago |
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| 21:37.56 | coldtobi1 | you know, don't drink and (DVD) drive |
| 21:38.29 | eni23 | aw forgot the laws |
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| 21:39.01 | coldtobi1 | OK, i shut down this computer... Thanks and see ya! |
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| 21:39.05 | eni23 | so watch out for the cops |
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| 21:41.42 | wolfric | should apt-get purge and then apt-get autoremove remove old config files? |
| 21:42.04 | wolfric | i did apt-get purge libpam-ldapd and then apt-get autoremove and even did apt-get remove nslcd but the config file /etc/nslcd still remains |
| 21:42.11 | valdyn | S1kx: you dont need nat for this, just a route so your router is aware of where to send packets to |
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| 21:42.32 | eni23 | wolfric: then delete it with rm? |
| 21:42.35 | S1kx | valdyn: sorry I forgot to mention I want to have the router act as a firewall |
| 21:42.52 | valdyn | S1kx: sure, alright, that does not change a thing |
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| 21:43.18 | S1kx | valdyn: hmm I have it set that way though and tried iptables.. |
| 21:43.53 | valdyn | S1kx: I guess you can do both methods |
| 21:44.16 | valdyn | S1kx: you can use nat, you can also just use routing |
| 21:44.29 | wolfric | eni23: i'm wondering if there's an apt command that should do that. I don't want random config files i DON'T know about lying around |
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| 21:44.33 | lstarnes | NAT requires routing |
| 21:44.49 | wolfric | eni23: this config file i just so happen to know about |
| 21:44.54 | valdyn | lstarnes: i dont think thats being debated |
| 21:44.55 | S1kx | valdyn: I want to avoid NAT, I just want to be able to drop packets at the router with iptables for the eternal IPs |
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| 21:45.06 | lstarnes | oh oops |
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| 21:45.28 | eni23 | ok i answered 2 questions from users now. so i get at least 1 answer please? its my touchscreen again. i got a xserver-driver from the manufacter but the driver are just 2 .o (???) files and a howto. the howto is really old and does not fit in debian-folder structure. i use squeeze64bit for this machine |
| 21:45.46 | valdyn | S1kx: so give both systems an ip alias and add proper routes |
| 21:46.07 | valdyn | S1kx: since each packet still has to traverse your router you can firewall whatever you want later on |
| 21:46.29 | wolfric | eni23: that wasn't really answering... |
| 21:46.44 | eni23 | wolfric: oh an ldap thingy? imho the config files wont dissapear if you edit it manual |
| 21:46.54 | wolfric | eni23: i didn't |
| 21:46.58 | eni23 | wolfric: i didnt count you :P |
| 21:47.03 | wolfric | eni23: good stuff |
| 21:47.41 | wolfric | I'm still looking for a way to make sure i remove all associated files/configs that come with a package. I thought apt-get purge would do this but apparently not |
| 21:48.03 | eni23 | wolfric: i ask this every few days, get no answer and help some people to get 'karma' then |
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| 21:48.53 | wolfric | eni23: why not just ask on a forum |
| 21:48.56 | wolfric | eni23: or mailing list |
| 21:49.01 | S1kx | valdyn: https://gist.github.com/e6427bcfe442fd837389 is how its currently setup. would that be wrong? |
| 21:49.13 | eni23 | wolfric: the docs say apt-get purge removes config-files? |
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| 21:49.53 | wolfric | eni23: that's what i thought but it didn't remove this... note though the package i purged was just wrapper for multiple other packages |
| 21:50.42 | eni23 | wolfric: did that too. its a bit trickier i was at the point that i have wrote an own xserver-input-driver put the kernel-drives seems not to be correct, and i dont understand those drivers |
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| 21:51.22 | wolfric | eni23: contact the manufacturer constantly and they might respond |
| 21:51.29 | wolfric | eni23: just resend your email every 2/3 days |
| 21:51.40 | wolfric | with "any update on this sorry?" |
| 21:51.50 | eni23 | wolfric: oh you need to to the purge for every package linked in meta-package |
| 21:52.25 | wolfric | eni23: well that's a terrible setup |
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| 21:52.59 | wolfric | eni23: tell him you cannot run them and ask for the source code if he doesn't want to deal with you (and you know how to use them) |
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| 21:53.16 | valdyn | S1kx: looks good I think |
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| 21:53.40 | valdyn | S1kx: err, you cannot have 2 gateways |
| 21:54.03 | valdyn | S1kx: i mean, you cant have 2 gateway entries in interfaces on the same system |
| 21:54.29 | S1kx | valdyn: yeah but if I take the second one out, Ill have to make a manual route for it |
| 21:54.39 | S1kx | with that IP as gateway |
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| 21:54.55 | nollidj | howdy. i've just recovered a system that lost one of its partitions by doing a fresh install of sid. i have a bunch of information from the old installation, including the contents of /var/lib/dpkg . does anyone know of a good way to determine which packages on the old system were not automatically installed, so i can get a list of them for restoration on the new system? |
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| 21:54.57 | S1kx | anyways thats working already though |
| 21:55.25 | S1kx | valdyn: how would an example iptables rule look like there tho? |
| 21:55.33 | valdyn | S1kx: maybe you misunderstand me, interfaces will be evaluated as you made it, it will not throw an error, those gateway entries will be added. *But* they wont do what you think they do |
| 21:57.13 | valdyn | S1kx: so you got to remove that 2nd gateway entry, its confusing and does nothing good for you |
| 21:57.29 | S1kx | valdyn: well, how else wooki |
| 21:57.37 | S1kx | disregard that message |
| 21:57.40 | S1kx | just: oki |
| 21:57.41 | S1kx | :P |
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| 21:59.07 | eni23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.08 | valdyn | S1kx: if you want local traffic to go via eth1 then you need something like "route add -net 192.168.0.0/16 eth1", not a catchall entry like "gateway" |
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| 22:00.17 | aways | Ola |
| 22:00.19 | eni23 | eni23: on theyr website they told that they will not make buisness under 20'00$.... |
| 22:00.21 | aways | Question with open-iscsi |
| 22:00.25 | aways | on sid plz |
| 22:00.31 | valdyn | S1kx: hmm, im rusty it seems, its: "route add -net 192.168.3.0/24 gw 192.168.3.1" should works anyway |
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| 22:00.53 | aways | I have a network target, so open-iscsi try to mount target befaore network |
| 22:00.56 | S1kx | valdyn: ah yeah that works indeed |
| 22:01.10 | lapsusbrutus | (file FILENAME.bmp; identify FILENAME.bmp; identify -verbose FILENAME.bmp) > infobmp Anyone can think of more ways to gather file info from a jpg or bmp? Need to collect as much technical info about a image file as possible. |
| 22:01.24 | aways | But open iscsi starup on rcS.d S20open-iscsi -> ../init.d/open-iscsi |
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| 22:01.39 | aways | You have an tips to resolved this pls |
| 22:01.57 | S1kx | valdyn: ive used the external router ip before, went crazy with these routes cus nothing would work :P but that works now, cool thanks |
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| 22:02.16 | eni23 | wolfric: i wrote them that i will write an xorg-driver for the touchscreen if they provide me hw-infos just no answer on that mail |
| 22:02.19 | S1kx | valdyn: just need to figure iptables out now |
| 22:02.28 | valdyn | S1kx: its a rule that works, but using a gateway is kind of redundant |
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| 22:03.16 | aways | http://pastie.org/private/e4brng5iawx9efkpm8zg |
| 22:03.18 | S1kx | valdyn: I remember now why I didnt use that route.... I dont have internet access with that |
| 22:03.18 | valdyn | S1kx: what do you want to do with iptables? |
| 22:03.21 | aways | the starup |
| 22:03.30 | eni23 | is there an irc for linux-developers on freenode? |
| 22:03.57 | S1kx | valdyn: just solved that with a 0.0.0.0 route tho |
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| 22:04.18 | valdyn | S1kx: your gateway entry from the eth0 interface gives internet access |
| 22:04.46 | S1kx | valdyn: from what Ive heard before the interfaces-file is just a hint to the OS and it doesnt actually have to do it |
| 22:04.55 | S1kx | valdyn: the only route it made was: 176.9.211.80 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.248 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 22:05.10 | S1kx | doing `route add -net 0.0.0.0/0 gw 176.9.211.81 eth0` worked now tho |
| 22:05.39 | raven | pulseaudio how to setup loopback 5.1 graphical monitor/peakmeter |
| 22:06.41 | valdyn | S1kx: the gateway entry on eth0 is supposed to add just that rule |
| 22:07.43 | S1kx | valdyn: doesnt do ;( |
| 22:08.01 | valdyn | S1kx: maybe thats broken by your pointtopoint |
| 22:08.15 | S1kx | just commented it out and down&up'ed, didnt create the route either |
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| 22:08.48 | valdyn | S1kx: how? with ifup and ifdown? |
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| 22:09.14 | S1kx | ifconfig eth0 down && ifconfig eth0 up |
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| 22:09.31 | valdyn | S1kx: ok, ifconfig is a lower level tool, it does not use interfaces |
| 22:09.39 | S1kx | ah |
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| 22:10.05 | S1kx | valdyn: sweet works with ifup indeed :P |
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| 22:11.56 | eni23 | noone knows a irc channel for linux-dev's? |
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| 22:13.33 | valdyn | S1kx: use netstat -plunt on your servers to limit the listening adress of services that are not supposed to be public |
| 22:13.57 | valdyn | S1kx: thats the "Local Address" column |
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| 22:14.56 | S1kx | valdyn: already keeping that down, but i would still like to add iptables for e.g. rate limiting connection attempts to the VPN etc, some servers on the network are windows too |
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| 22:15.17 | valdyn | S1kx: ok |
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| 22:16.05 | valdyn | S1kx: traffic shaping with tc goes beyond what I can explain on irc. Myself I use shorewall for this because it seemed much more managable than a custom tc script. |
| 22:16.07 | raven | pulseaudio how to setup loopback 5.1 graphical monitor/peakmeter |
| 22:16.49 | S1kx | valdyn: yeah i got shorewall installed too, just needed to know what i even need to do here |
| 22:17.22 | LordTrev | I am trying to use Pulseaudio and I am not getting sound from flash |
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| 22:23.09 | lstarnes | Masterdev: if you have openssh-server installed and running on the debian machine, you can use SSH in PuTTY on windows |
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| 22:23.46 | Masterdev | lstarnes my point is to share my connection from Win 7 |
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| 22:23.51 | Masterdev | with the debian machine |
| 22:23.58 | lstarnes | Masterdev: your internet connection? |
| 22:24.01 | Masterdev | yes |
| 22:24.05 | lstarnes | oh ok |
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| 22:24.39 | Masterdev | lstarnes I am having only public wifi access to the internet connection |
| 22:24.47 | Masterdev | from my win 7 latop |
| 22:24.50 | Masterdev | *laptop |
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| 22:25.17 | lstarnes | so the laptop is being used as a public wireless router? |
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| 22:26.07 | Masterdev | And I have setup CCProxy for charing the connection, but I dont know how to set this on my debian machine |
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| 22:27.20 | lstarnes | Masterdev: not regular ICS? |
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| 22:28.52 | Masterdev | lstarnes No. I have the debian machine connected to the laptop and another win xp machine thru switch. The other XP Machine is using the same connection from my latop with the CCProxy, All I had to do is to set the XP Connection to use the proxy and works fine, but don't know how to set this on debian. |
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| 22:29.39 | abrotman | !http_proxy |
| 22:29.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, http_proxy is export 'http_proxy=http://PROXY:port/' -- it can be used with apt-get or lynx or wget (but not links/links2) - the trailing slash is important! Export 'http_proxy=http://username:password@proxy:port/' if you need to authenticate. Note that http_proxy could be set from your preferences by your window manager, and can be set (manually or auto-detected) in your browser (e.g. chromium). |
| 22:29.54 | Masterdev | abrotman tried that |
| 22:29.54 | lstarnes | Masterdev: it would depend on what proxy protocl ccproxy uses |
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| 22:29.54 | raven | pulseaudio how to setup loopback 5.1 graphical monitor/peakmeter |
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| 22:30.11 | lstarnes | using regular ICS is probably a better idea |
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| 22:30.44 | abrotman | Masterdev: so what about it doesn't work ? |
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| 22:32.02 | Masterdev | Okay I am trying again the http_proxy do I have to restart the network service after that? |
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| 22:33.58 | Masterdev | lstarnes do I have to restart the service after setting up the http_proxy? |
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| 22:34.41 | lstarnes | Masterdev: I don't think so; maybe |
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| 22:35.05 | lstarnes | but I don't think all applications support that |
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| 22:35.49 | Masterdev | Thanks lstarnes |
| 22:35.59 | Masterdev | I'll give it a shot |
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| 22:37.10 | lstarnes | Masterdev: actually, you need to log out then back in if you defined it in .bashrc |
| 22:37.26 | Masterdev | yes it's in .bashrc |
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| 22:37.34 | Masterdev | k lstarnes I'll do that |
| 22:37.55 | babilen | Just run "export 'http_proxy=http://PROXY:port/'" |
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| 22:39.05 | eni23 | hello again. is there a way in squeeze gdm to remote send commands (x applications) (i dont mean vnc or similar more command-line based) |
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| 22:39.32 | babilen | eni23: Are you looking for something like SSH? |
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| 22:40.41 | eni23 | babilen: onoh i use ssh for years now. i have an pc where im developing apps and want it to upload to test machine (this is easy with scp) but how to open them automaticly |
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| 22:41.03 | lstarnes | eni23: on an X server running on the remote maching? |
| 22:41.08 | lstarnes | *machine |
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| 22:42.04 | eni23 | lstarnes: no i just have two debians. i develop an app in the first then upload to the secound. but how to start it in a logged in gdm-session? |
| 22:42.07 | babilen | eni23: "Open" them where? |
| 22:42.21 | Masterdev | It woRKED!!! :} Thanks a lot! |
| 22:42.23 | Masterdev | :) |
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| 22:42.28 | babilen | eni23: Ah, ok. I see what you are after :) |
| 22:42.30 | eni23 | lstarnes: yes on an xerver on a remote machine |
| 22:42.32 | lstarnes | eni23: start gdm on the remote system, then, via ssh, use DISPLAY=:0 appname |
| 22:42.42 | lstarnes | assuming that gdm starts display 0 |
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| 22:42.53 | babilen | !tell eni23 -about mit-magic-cookie export |
| 22:42.55 | babilen | !tell eni23 -about mit-magic-cookie |
| 22:42.58 | eni23 | lstarnes: thats all? cool |
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| 22:43.31 | Masterdev | the CCProxy wasn't very well set, now my debian machine is connected to the web :) Thanks lstarnes! Thanks babilen. The .bashrc did the job :) |
| 22:43.49 | eni23 | yes that works fine thanks lstarnes and babilen |
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| 22:43.53 | babilen | Masterdev: Wonderful, enjoy :) |
| 22:44.04 | Masterdev | Thanks! :) You're awesome guys! |
| 22:44.14 | Masterdev | Now I can setup my test Machine! |
| 22:44.35 | lstarnes | Masterdev: note that some applications do not support http_proxy |
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| 22:45.14 | Masterdev | lstarnes I do know, I'll use it primary for wget and apt-get |
| 22:45.23 | Masterdev | Thanks. |
| 22:45.40 | raven | pulseaudio how to setup loopback 5.1 graphical monitor/peakmeter |
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| 22:48.38 | serega_by | Hi all |
| 22:48.39 | serega_by | I install debain wheezy |
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| 22:49.17 | serega_by | i want to install drivers for video adapter "nVidia GeForce 6150 SE" |
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| 22:49.41 | nkuttler | !tell serega_by about nvidia |
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| 22:51.01 | serega_by | I try to install driver from official site nVidia, but i doesn't work |
| 22:51.10 | nkuttler | serega_by: check the msg the bot sent you |
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| 22:51.33 | serega_by | ok |
| 22:51.36 | serega_by | thanks |
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| 22:54.30 | philipballew | How can I add another repo server to my /etc/apt/sources file? |
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| 22:55.03 | raven | pulseaudio how to setup loopback 5.1 graphical monitor/peakmeter |
| 22:55.06 | serega_by | you must be root |
| 22:55.18 | babilen | philipballew: Edit the file, add an appropriate line, save it and run "apt-get/aptitude update" -- The format of that file is detailed in "man sources.list" |
| 22:55.23 | serega_by | then write it |
| 22:55.33 | serega_by | gedit /etc/apt/soutces.list |
| 22:55.49 | serega_by | gedit /etc/apt/sources.list* |
| 22:56.11 | serega_by | if you don't have gedit |
| 22:56.17 | philipballew | okay. Where is a place to find more mirrors you think? |
| 22:56.27 | babilen | !tell philipballew -about mirrors |
| 22:56.42 | philipballew | Thanks!!! |
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| 22:57.26 | philipballew | support is a hard job in the Debian community and I thank you for doing it |
| 22:57.42 | babilen | philipballew: Typically the primary mirror in your country should work well. (ftp.CC.debian.org (where CC is your countries' code (e.g. uk, hk, us, tw, ie, ..))) -- You can also use a GEO IP based one which chooses the nearest mirror to your automatically. |
| 22:58.05 | babilen | !tell philipballew -about geo sources |
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| 22:58.52 | philipballew | I do support as well or a different irc channel, but just have never had to edit my mirrors before |
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| 23:00.09 | philipballew | Sorry for the trouble though. I hope your day goes well babilen |
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| 23:00.58 | babilen | philipballew: No trouble at all, may you enjoy your day, while I enjoy my night ;) |
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| 23:01.24 | philipballew | babilen, Where do you live? |
| 23:02.17 | babilen | philipballew: #debian-offtopic would be the appropriate channel (UK) |
| 23:02.31 | philipballew | ah, thats right. I knew that |
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| 23:19.49 | yfeldblum | is there a way to tell debootstrap about your favorite dpkg.cfg (e.g. to skip any docs/manpages/locales) |
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| 23:27.51 | yfeldblum | is it necessary to keep /var/lib/apt/lists after i have installed every package i will need? |
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| 23:31.39 | peterS | yfeldblum: nah, feel free to 'rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*'. It just means next time you 'apt-get update', it will have to download full package indexes, it can't use deltas. |
| 23:31.57 | mroe | does apt/aptitude have a flag/option to print its configuration? |
| 23:32.01 | yfeldblum | petemc, thanks |
| 23:32.09 | yfeldblum | peterS, thanks |
| 23:32.11 | peterS | np |
| 23:32.18 | yfeldblum | heh, autocomplete |
| 23:32.27 | peterS | petemc gets that a lot (: |
| 23:32.40 | peterS | and I occasionally get misdirected lines for him too (: |
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| 23:33.33 | peterS | once he and I both answered the same question with the same one-word answer, within like half a second of each other. It looked a little odd. |
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| 23:36.35 | yfeldblum | heh |
| 23:37.19 | yfeldblum | the important question - and i'm sure this is weighing on everyone's mind - is: who said "jinx" first? |
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| 23:37.40 | peterS | pretty sure neither of us did. I don't tend to do that (: |
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| 23:39.25 | yfeldblum | hmm ... if i drop `/path/to/target/etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg` first and then run debootstrap (with path-exclude lines), will `debootstrap ... /path/to/target` honor that? |
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| 23:40.15 | serega_by | where i can find repositories for wheezy ? |
| 23:40.30 | serega_by | i can't load X-server |
| 23:40.37 | serega_by | I can user only console |
| 23:40.39 | lstarnes | serega_by: I think all of the mirrors for squeeze also have wheezy |
| 23:40.50 | lstarnes | serega_by: did you look in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 23:40.58 | serega_by | yes |
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| 23:41.20 | serega_by | cpp-4.1, gcc-4.1,g++-4.1 ,libc6-dev, libstdc++, make |
| 23:41.31 | serega_by | i can't install this packages |
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| 23:41.37 | serega_by | where i can find them |
| 23:41.43 | serega_by | please write me rep |
| 23:41.57 | lstarnes | serega_by: did you try apt-get install cpp gcc g++ libc6-dev libstdc++ make? |
| 23:41.58 | babilen | serega_by: There are no specific repositories for wheezy -- All official mirrors carry squeeze, wheezy and sid |
| 23:42.03 | serega_by | yes |
| 23:42.06 | jhutchins_lt | serega_by: You probably don't want wheezy, it's not meant to be a working release yet. |
| 23:42.07 | babilen | !tell serega_by -about bat |
| 23:42.28 | babilen | serega_by: And I second jhutchins_lt's remark |
| 23:42.29 | jhutchins_lt | serega_by: It's a lot better to learn package management and system configuration on the stable release which is squeeze. |
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| 23:47.36 | nevyn | once you know how it's supposed to work your better equipt to deal with it when it doesnt :) |
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| 23:51.30 | serega_by | Who know how to install nvidia driver in debian, please help me! |
| 23:51.54 | craigevil | !nvidia |
| 23:51.54 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 23:52.19 | serega_by | There nobody does'n't help |
| 23:52.25 | abrotman | did you read the URL ? |
| 23:52.32 | serega_by | yes |
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| 23:53.47 | craigevil | the wiki gives detailed steps |
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| 23:54.18 | babilen | serega_by: Just follow the instructions for dkms and you should be fine. |
| 23:54.40 | babilen | serega_by: If you need further help paste relevent commands and output. |
| 23:55.21 | serega_by | ok |
| 23:56.08 | Masterdev | bye guys |
| 23:56.18 | serega_by | when i make this command "m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source". I get that system can't make packer nvidia-kernel-source |
| 23:56.26 | serega_by | pack* |
| 23:56.36 | babilen | serega_by: Take care that you install an appropriate kernel header package for the kernel in wheezy, as the instructions are meant for squeeze users. |
| 23:56.55 | babilen | serega_by: I recommend dkms |
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| 23:57.29 | simonlnu | !nvidia dkms |
| 23:57.29 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Run "update-initramfs -u" and restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia legacy>. |
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| 23:57.50 | simonlnu | see, "For Squeeze users." |
| 23:58.32 | simonlnu | what's with the backticks anyway? :P |
| 23:59.13 | Aim_Here | backticks take the output of a command and put it into your command line |
