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| 00:01.21 | raven | vlc - possible to mix different elementary audio streams during playback? |
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| 00:03.18 | Phil | is it possible to see which apt repository a package comes from? |
| 00:03.58 | raven | vlc - possible to mix different elementary audio streams during playback? |
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| 00:05.22 | dondelelcaro | Phil: only if there are different versions in different repositories; apt-cache policy foopkg; will give you an idea. |
| 00:05.29 | dondelelcaro | Phil: and that only works if the package still exists there |
| 00:05.37 | Phil | thanks |
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| 00:07.45 | raven | vlc - possible to mix different elementary audio streams during playback? |
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| 00:14.07 | kingsley | Why would unplugging one hard drive cause the kernel to stop seeing another hard drive? |
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| 00:14.32 | zinx | kingsley: not hot swappable, or buggy controller(s) |
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| 00:17.16 | kingsley | Maybe I should check if the BIOS still sees the missing hard drive. |
| 00:17.39 | zinx | the BIOS is likely not involved at this point |
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| 00:19.26 | kingsley | zinx: Please elaborate. |
| 00:20.46 | zinx | kingsley: Linux tends to talk directly with the controller |
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| 00:28.29 | kingsley | How many cables are supposed to be connected to a SATA 3.0 drive? One for both power and data? Two? |
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| 00:29.34 | kingsley | Never mind, I'll look it up in the manual. |
| 00:30.44 | mns | How do I make the laptops in my home go through a single server for http traffic ? That is, if someone runs IE or Iceweasel or Chrome or whatever on a laptop, then whatever they access is controlled by some server. |
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| 00:31.26 | kingsley | mns: One approach would be to configure each browser to use the same proxy. |
| 00:31.48 | mhall119 | and disallow anything but the proxy to make outbound http connections |
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| 00:33.41 | Amarande | kingsley, SATA drives are supposed to have one power and one data cable. separate ones. |
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| 00:34.42 | mns | can't see anything in here ... hmmm let me try quitting and coming back .. |
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| 00:37.03 | mns | all right I think I can see. |
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| 00:37.49 | kingsley | Amarande: What is the cable with the "L" shaped connector for? Data or power? |
| 00:38.04 | Amarande | hmmmm |
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| 00:38.12 | Amarande | I think they both have L shaped connectors, come to think of it |
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| 00:38.24 | Amarande | they're two different sizes, anyway, so you can't mix them up |
| 00:38.37 | Amarande | pretty sure the data cable is the smaller connector |
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| 00:38.41 | somiaj | the power is bigger than the data. |
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| 00:48.10 | Dev0n | anyone know iptables is able to tabke a standard file format containing ips? |
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| 00:49.23 | perezd | does start-stop-daemon in debian/ubuntu support redirecting stderr/stdout to a file ? |
| 00:49.28 | perezd | I see mention of it in the BSD version as -2 and -1 |
| 00:49.36 | perezd | but the linux man pages don't say that |
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| 00:55.13 | mns | any thoughts on squid vs. varnish in using a proxy server to control http access to the outside from laptops within my house ? |
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| 00:59.49 | jsoft_ | mns: well, I know squid has worked for me in the past |
| 01:00.02 | jsoft_ | mns: and define 'control' |
| 01:00.06 | jsoft_ | as in, whitelists and such? |
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| 01:04.24 | kingsley | Amarande, zinx and somiaj: Thank you for your help. I'm happy to report that I found a loose power connector and the errant hard drive is now back on line. |
| 01:05.00 | Amarande | It works a lot better when you plug it in, indeed :) |
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| 01:05.07 | kingsley | Heh |
| 01:05.28 | Amarande | Heh, back in the day, it seemed like every time I went to build a PC though |
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| 01:05.47 | Amarande | it would invariably not start properly the first time due to something having been forgotten to be plugged in |
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| 01:07.46 | mns | jsoft_: by control I mean things like giving certain users access to certain sites and not others. |
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| 01:27.32 | gua | anyone ever see anything about viewing/mounting specific tracks on a disc (CD/DVD)? as in a multi session disc |
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| 01:32.27 | Tunix2 | Hey guys I was redirected here from #linux. I installed both sun-java6-jre and sun-java6-jdk successfully and I still can not run a java command |
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| 01:33.03 | somiaj | Tunix2: what version of debian are you running? |
| 01:33.21 | Tunix2 | somiaj: Is there a command I can run for an exact version? |
| 01:33.41 | Amarande | Tunix: squeeze, wheezy, or sid? |
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| 01:34.03 | irssinoob | Tunix2: "lsb_release -a" |
| 01:34.06 | Tunix2 | somiaj: im positive its lenny. Just not 100% sure on the version #. I am still new to debain |
| 01:34.23 | somiaj | Tunix2: cat /etc/debian_version (though that can lie) I usually look at the libc6 version, you can also look at your /etc/apt/sources.list or just 'apt-cache policy' |
| 01:34.38 | Tunix2 | somiaj 5.0.9 |
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| 01:34.55 | somiaj | Tunix2: ok just making sure you wern't in wheezy (sun-java has been removed from debian). what does 'java -version' say? |
| 01:35.17 | Tunix2 | java -version -bash: java: command not found |
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| 01:35.54 | kasploosh | Curious boot problem: I'm setting up a new install of Debian wheezy on new hardware. The motherboard is UEFI-based, I'm using EFI version of grub to boot it. I have been troubleshooting all day, everything is in place and named correctly. If I connect the hard drive normally via SATA cables, the motherboard can't see it and can't hand off. If I connect the hard drive via external enclosure and USB, the |
| 01:35.56 | kasploosh | motherboard sees the UEFI information and hands off successfully. Very curious. New Asus motherboard. |
| 01:36.56 | Tunix2 | somiaj: java -version -bash: java: command not found |
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| 01:37.16 | Amarande | hmm |
| 01:37.25 | Amarande | is the board able to use BIOS at all or is it UEFI-only? |
| 01:37.32 | kasploosh | Correction to my last post: The motherboard sees the hard drive all the time, it just doesn't see it as something that has an EFI system partition that it can hand off to |
| 01:37.34 | Amarande | I know some boards (like the Intel DZ68DB) have both |
| 01:37.54 | kasploosh | I looked all through the firmware menus and see no way to use a legacy BIOS for booting. |
| 01:38.04 | kasploosh | I see no option to turn off BIOS or turn on EFI |
| 01:38.18 | somiaj | Timzzzz: |
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| 01:38.21 | Tunix2 | somiaj: Here is a screenshot of my webmin packages search for the keyword 'java' http://i.imgur.com/Efxjy.png as you can see everything seems to be installed |
| 01:38.21 | Amarande | somiaj: sun-java has been removed entirely in wheezy? |
| 01:38.25 | Amarande | what's that? |
| 01:38.28 | Amarande | er, why's that? |
| 01:38.40 | somiaj | Tunix2: 'apt-cache policy sun-java6-jre' |
| 01:38.49 | somiaj | Amarande: because of orcale |
| 01:39.05 | Amarande | mainly, some web applets don't run well without sun-java, unless the open source java implementation has been significantly improved since squeeze |
| 01:39.18 | Tunix2 | somiaj: http://i.imgur.com/I7gtU.png |
| 01:39.23 | somiaj | Amarande: it was always in non-free, but with the orcale aquiring sun, there were some issues and the debian team just removed support for it. |
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| 01:39.55 | themill | somiaj: by "some issues" you mean "oracle said no-one is allowed to distribute it any more" |
| 01:40.16 | somiaj | themill: I never looked into it, just figured oracle was being a bitch as always. |
| 01:40.33 | Tunix2 | somiaj: Would you recomend removing all java packages and trying Open-JDK? |
| 01:40.47 | Amarande | Tunix: you might want to stick with sun-java as long as you can, sadly |
| 01:40.49 | somiaj | Tunix2: ls -l /usr/bin/java /etc/atlernatives/java |
| 01:41.15 | Tunix2 | somiaj: http://i.imgur.com/1irlf.png |
| 01:41.22 | themill | Amarande: openjdk is the reference implementation for java 7. If it doesn't work with openjdk, it's broken. |
| 01:41.24 | Amarande | some web applets don't want to work with openjdk for some reason. |
| 01:41.48 | themill | Amarande: I doubt applets are relevant to a user who is using webmin. |
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| 01:42.04 | Amarande | heh, at least it's not as bad as the arch soup that java on Windows is, anyway |
| 01:42.07 | Tunix2 | themill: I use webmin for a few things but 90% of the time im in terminal |
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| 01:42.41 | Amarande | *whenever* I have to install Windows for someone, I *always* end up finding java not working in firefox. because I download the 64-bit java and then scratch my head for a bit and realise the firefox version is 32-bit and doesn't work with 64-bit java. |
| 01:43.13 | somiaj | Tunix2: opps I had a typo, ls -l /etc/alternatives/java -- my guess is your alternatives are messed up. You can try 'update-alternatives --config java' to choose the correct one. |
| 01:43.36 | themill | Amarande: sounds like you need a decent package management system. Try debian.... |
| 01:43.43 | Tunix2 | somiaj: http://i.imgur.com/7WG7T.png |
| 01:44.10 | themill | that's not a debian java package ;( |
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| 01:44.29 | Tunix2 | Its not? |
| 01:44.38 | somiaj | yea you are poiting at somethign in /opt, you need to configure your alternatives correct |
| 01:44.57 | somiaj | Tunix2: ls -l /otp/jvm/jdk1.6.0_29 -- does that directory even exist? |
| 01:45.18 | Tunix2 | somiaj: no |
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| 01:45.55 | somiaj | Tunix2: well for somereason that link is pointing to the wrong spot. does the command I setn you allow you to choose a correct alternative? 'update-alternatives --config java' |
| 01:46.20 | themill | !update-java-alternatives |
| 01:46.20 | dpkg | Rather than using update-alternatives (or galternatives) to set each individual alternative for java (and there are lots of them!), use update-java-alternatives. To see a list of the valid java alternatives, use "update-java-alternatives --list". To select the sun-java6 java runtime environment, "update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun". |
| 01:46.41 | Tunix2 | somiaj: There is only 1 program which provides java (/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java). Nothing to configure. |
| 01:46.49 | themill | (whether alternatives work for a non-debian java package or not I can't say) |
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| 01:47.18 | jordanm | seems that it would be nice if update-alternatives "did the right thing" and just worked as update-java-alternatives when configuring java |
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| 01:47.26 | Tunix2 | right |
| 01:47.33 | Amarande | themill: exactly, I never have issues like that on my debian box. :) |
| 01:47.35 | somiaj | Tunix2: well then maunally change the link in /etc/alternatives/java to point to /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java which is where the java baiinary is. |
| 01:47.36 | jordanm | although, that might meaning losing the ability to pick-and-choose |
| 01:47.42 | Amarande | now if I could get everyone I know to run debian and quit running windows ... :) |
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| 01:48.24 | nag | Amarande: apt-get install common-sense |
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| 01:50.56 | tensorpudding | if by some chance you got them to choose linux for some reason, they probably won't all choose to run debian |
| 01:51.27 | Tunix2 | somiaj: Im sorry if this is a beginner question but I see the file java in /etc/alternatives/ but how do i tell it to point to /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java |
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| 01:52.01 | Tunix2 | somiaj: WINscp is allowing me to correct the link |
| 01:52.26 | somiaj | Tunix2: I would do, 'ln -fs /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java /etc/alternatives/java' -- though this isn't the usual or proper way to fix/update-alternatives. |
| 01:52.47 | Tunix2 | somiaj: What is the usual and correct way to update alternatives? |
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| 01:53.14 | somiaj | Tunix2: with update-alternatives, 'man update-alternatives' but I don't know it will enough to see how to fix the issue you got yourself in. |
| 01:53.43 | Tunix2 | somiaj: All i did was install java with apt-get install. It shouldnt make me jump through these hoops |
| 01:53.51 | somiaj | and since the alternative system already thinks its pointing at that file, just fixing the link should be jsut fine. |
| 01:54.14 | somiaj | Tunix2: it seems like there was an unoffical java package installed at one point in time. |
| 01:54.31 | somiaj | Tunix2: and that is most likely the root of the problem (it never removed/fixed the alternatives when it was removed) |
| 01:55.04 | Tunix2 | somiaj: Maybe a conflict in my sources? http://i.imgur.com/yQ0WQ.png |
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| 01:57.08 | somiaj | that seems fine. I'm not going to try and figure out why it was pointing to a completely wrong/broken place. This is not standard and not what the package does by default. I don't care enough to track down what caused it. Its fixed now right 'java --version'? |
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| 02:09.45 | waltman | when I run aptitude update, I'm getting a strange error -- W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://dl.google.com stable Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A040830F7FAC5991 Google, Inc. Linux Package Signing Key <linux-packages-keymaster@google.com> |
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| 02:12.04 | waltman | tries a different mirror... |
| 02:12.29 | waltman | nope, same thing |
| 02:12.53 | iluminator101 | external drive cannot be mounted http://paste.pocoo.org/show/520059/ |
| 02:14.30 | BlueMatt | waltman: try re-importing google's key (but make sure you dl the key from a trusted, ie ssl, source) |
| 02:14.35 | iluminator101 | i only got this drive like a week ago i think this is a lemon drive |
| 02:15.13 | waltman | I don't remember where I got it in the first place. |
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| 02:15.24 | BlueMatt | iluminator101: if there is no data on the drive, format it, otherwise copy the partition and do what it says |
| 02:15.35 | jordanm | iluminator101: try a linux filesystem |
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| 02:16.00 | BlueMatt | waltman: try from here: http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/ |
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| 02:16.29 | iluminator101 | jordanm, i was gonna do that, but i have like 500G of data that I have no where to put |
| 02:16.45 | BlueMatt | iluminator101: try fsck -n 'ing it |
| 02:16.50 | BlueMatt | see what it says |
| 02:16.58 | BlueMatt | if it looks reasonable, fsck -y it |
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| 02:18.40 | RIVE | Hi, good evening. |
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| 02:18.46 | waltman | Nope, still not working. |
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| 02:19.07 | waltman | Seems more likely it's a corrupted package than a corrupted key. |
| 02:19.16 | iluminator101 | BlueMatt, fsck: fsck.ntfs: not found |
| 02:19.17 | iluminator101 | fsck: Error 2 while executing fsck.ntfs for /dev/sdb1 |
| 02:19.25 | BlueMatt | oops, forgot about that... |
| 02:20.06 | BlueMatt | iluminator101: do you not have a windows copy lying around to use chkdsk? |
| 02:20.16 | babilen | waltman: Look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
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| 02:21.11 | waltman | that says "deb http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main". Should it be https? |
| 02:21.13 | iluminator101 | BlueMatt, I gave up on windows, or should i say broken windows, only debian on all systems |
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| 02:22.25 | BlueMatt | iluminator101: try "-r -o force" in the mount command |
| 02:22.50 | BlueMatt | then copy the stuff you need and reformat with a real filesystem |
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| 02:23.05 | RIVE | I'm tryng to remenber how to configure the look oh xchat. |
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| 02:23.29 | BlueMatt | waltman: if you want to remove the repo (ie disable chrome auto-update via apt) just delete the line |
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| 02:23.52 | waltman | Oh, I see |
| 02:23.56 | BlueMatt | waltman: otherwise you have to figure out how to reimport the right key |
| 02:24.14 | BlueMatt | waltman: you said nope, still not working, you did apt-add-key with the pubkey right? |
| 02:24.31 | BlueMatt | no, whats it called... |
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| 02:24.42 | BlueMatt | apt-key add |
| 02:24.50 | waltman | Yes, I reimported the key but I get the same error when I run aptitute update. |
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| 02:25.24 | BlueMatt | sorry, just making sure (never know how much of what you say makes sense to the next person...) |
| 02:26.13 | waltman | Well, commenting out that line did indeed let the rest of the update run. But that's not a long-term solution, since debian's chrome doesn't seem to auto-update itself. |
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| 02:28.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | then ask google to fix thier mirror |
| 02:29.11 | BlueMatt | mirror isnt broken, it wfm |
| 02:29.18 | waltman | wfm? |
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| 02:29.52 | waltman | weird. |
| 02:29.54 | BlueMatt | works for me |
| 02:30.31 | waltman | maybe I'm hitting a broken mirror? |
| 02:30.32 | BlueMatt | somethings f'd on your system or there is an issue with your communication with the google repo... |
| 02:30.55 | BlueMatt | I doubt its a broken mirror, but i guess its possible, wait a day and see if it resolves itself I guess... |
| 02:31.09 | iluminator101 | BlueMatt, negative http://paste.pocoo.org/show/520062/ |
| 02:31.11 | waltman | I haven't changed anything on my system between yesterday and today that would have caused this. |
| 02:31.31 | BlueMatt | maybe someones in your wifis stealing your packets? |
| 02:31.39 | BlueMatt | :) |
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| 02:32.14 | waltman | I'm wired. |
| 02:32.44 | BlueMatt | well maybe someone is sitting in your basement with some arpspoof and some backtrack... |
| 02:33.02 | BlueMatt | or someone at your isp doesnt like chrome... |
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| 02:33.15 | waltman | I doubt all those things, but I guess it's possible... |
| 02:33.18 | BlueMatt | iluminator101: best bet has to be chkdsk... |
| 02:33.36 | BlueMatt | waltman: same here, but if you have the right key and its not working...I have nfc |
| 02:33.46 | babilen | waltman: There is also *nothing* Debian has to do with Google's chrome repositories. |
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| 02:35.13 | waltman | hopefully it'll resolve itself in a day or two then. |
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| 03:22.39 | gnarface | hey guys is it possible to run debian on a palm pilot? |
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| 03:22.53 | gnarface | specifically, is it possible to run debian on a palm tungsten t5? |
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| 03:22.56 | dvs | o |
| 03:23.22 | mmnicolas | I |
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| 03:23.44 | gnarface | dvs: ? |
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| 03:23.51 | gnarface | mmnicolas: ? |
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| 03:27.52 | dvs | What I meant to say is o_O |
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| 03:30.11 | mmnicolas | gnarface: there is probably a rough way through u-boot and openpxa |
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| 03:31.30 | mmnicolas | this guy seems to push it as far as it can get: http://marex-hnd.blogspot.com/2010/08/last-months-hacking-report.html |
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| 03:33.11 | Zeranoe | Hello, I've installed Debian on my laptop but I have no sound. Could anyone help me diagnose this problem? I believe it is a Intel AC'97 controller |
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| 03:34.47 | dvs | !alsa checklist |
| 03:34.48 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 03:37.37 | Zeranoe | I've already done most of those things, it seems to work through the headphone jack but not though the internal speakers. I'm sure they work and I'm sure the sound is not muted/turned down |
| 03:39.35 | Zeranoe | I'll probably open a bug report for it |
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| 03:49.55 | gnarface | !arm |
| 03:49.55 | dpkg | Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at Debian 5.0 with official support dropped at Debian 6.0, ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. See also <armhf>. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 03:57.02 | iluminator101 | BlueMatt, i checked it from virtualbox thanks |
| 03:58.05 | iluminator101 | BlueMatt, i meant i chkdsked it from virtualbox thanks |
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| 03:59.11 | BlueMatt | nice |
| 03:59.14 | iluminator101 | 3tb on ntfs is a disaster |
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| 04:00.51 | Amarande | iluminator101, think of it this way, once you have fully switched to debian, you will no longer need to worry about ntfs at all |
| 04:01.43 | iluminator101 | i am thinking of that right now i guess i could 100mb as fat32 for fsutils and then the rest ext3 |
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| 04:03.50 | iluminator101 | but this thing is wouldn't ext3 eat up 5% of the total disk space |
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| 04:05.20 | iluminator101 | permission to pm BlueMatt |
| 04:05.28 | karlpinc | iluminator101: You mean in reserved space? |
| 04:05.41 | iluminator101 | karlpinc, yea |
| 04:05.43 | BlueMatt | iluminator101: feel free |
| 04:06.11 | BlueMatt | iluminator101: you can change reserved space |
| 04:06.23 | BlueMatt | at ext creation or afterwards |
| 04:06.26 | karlpinc | iluminator101: It's no longer fixed at 5%, it varies based on size. (And you want that space free anyway to avoid fragmentation and give you extra space as root when the disk fills up.) |
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| 04:26.37 | toehio2 | how do I resize a vfat partition on a disk image? |
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| 04:29.55 | waltman | is there anyway to drop out of X if my keyboard and mouse aren't responding? |
| 04:30.05 | waltman | i.e. any process I can kill? |
| 04:30.12 | waltman | I'm in xfce4 |
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| 04:31.39 | waltman | I was playing around in screensaver preferences when it became unresponsive. Some of the other windows are updating, so I think X itself is still running. |
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| 04:31.51 | mmnicolas | waltman: you can you the magic sysrq keys |
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| 04:32.15 | mmnicolas | waltman: ctrl-alt-printscreen+r,e,i |
| 04:32.35 | mmnicolas | or go up to reisub if you're really stuck |
| 04:33.14 | waltman | the keyboard isn't responding. otherwise I'd do ctrl-alt-backspace |
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| 04:34.06 | mmnicolas | usually calls like this go through anything, even when the numlock led doesnt respond |
| 04:34.45 | mmnicolas | sorry it's just alt-printscreen+r,e,i should bring you back to a terminal |
| 04:34.53 | waltman | I can ssh in, so I could just do a shutdown from there. But ideally I'd kjust like to kill X. |
| 04:35.16 | bilalcochin | When will stop the official security update of lenny? |
| 04:35.16 | mmnicolas | ok then just service gdm restart |
| 04:35.34 | mmnicolas | or whatever the display manager you're using |
| 04:36.14 | waltman | I booted into a console and ran startx |
| 04:36.59 | mmnicolas | then kill the tty you logged on |
| 04:37.47 | zaltekk | would tracking debian-unstable be too much different than tracking a rolling release? i understand a few things will break more often |
| 04:37.59 | zaltekk | i did at one point follow slackware-current for a good while |
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| 04:39.09 | waltman | how do I kill a tty? |
| 04:39.14 | somiaj | zaltekk: tracking what rolling relaese? Im some instances I see debian sid (unstable) a bit nicer to run than testing. I run sid and there are plenty who do. Just expect things to break and install apt-listbugs |
| 04:39.29 | zaltekk | somiaj: something like archlinux |
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| 04:40.14 | somiaj | zaltekk: unsure if archlinux has a pretesting phase. I've seen sid wipe out whole systems, but if your careful its been 10+ years since a sid update has done any non-recoverable damage |
| 04:40.32 | mmnicolas | waltman: look up its PID with "ps aux" then "kill PID", should be tty1, "ps aux | grep tty1" |
| 04:40.39 | somiaj | waltman: Have you killed the xsession completely and still don't get your keyboard/mouse/ttyp back? |
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| 04:41.12 | somiaj | waltman: sometimes X will crash and take out the keyboard with it and not be easily recoverable. I usually just reboot when that happens. |
| 04:41.51 | mmnicolas | somiaj: through some acpi call ? power button ? |
| 04:42.15 | somiaj | mmnicolas: if he is ssh'd into the system, just 'reboot' works, (: |
| 04:42.16 | zaltekk | somiaj: i guess i'll give it a go. what i'm really looking for is a stable OS to run on a VPS and a more up-to-date OS that is very similar to run on my laptop and desktop |
| 04:42.27 | mmnicolas | right, forgot about that |
| 04:42.41 | zaltekk | i was okay with archlinux for my laptop and desktop, but there wasn't a similar stable version |
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| 04:43.03 | pxe | hi all |
| 04:43.04 | somiaj | zaltekk: sid can drift a fair distance from stable that though there will be debian similarities there could be some major differences. |
| 04:43.27 | zaltekk | sure. i looked into ubuntu but it just didn't seem right |
| 04:43.30 | pxe | i need help with an install of debian net install via pxe |
| 04:43.31 | somiaj | zaltekk: have you thought about just stable + backports [for the most part you can get a fairly decent laptop desktop from that] |
| 04:43.49 | pxe | can you help me? |
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| 04:44.09 | zaltekk | i have thought about it. i may try that before going stable -> sid |
| 04:44.15 | pxe | i booted a pc via pxe |
| 04:44.27 | pxe | i booted the debian net install cd |
| 04:44.31 | zaltekk | i mostly want my window manager, web browser, and programming environments up to date |
| 04:44.42 | pxe | but no cdrom is detected |
| 04:45.00 | pxe | how can i access to files on the iso via pxe? |
| 04:45.05 | somiaj | zaltekk: if you run sid just expect thigns to break durning upgrades and be able to use the bts / fix things. I personally say that unless you laptop was built with say the sandy bridge + nvidia shared gpu or really bleeding edge you can get almost everything you want running stable and then using backports (or compiling your own backports) for the small hadful of software you want more modern |
| 04:45.34 | somiaj | zaltekk: and after that keep your eye out for debian cut (well that is what it was called). I am hoping it kinda fits just that nitch that you are talking about. A rolling release with some support. |
| 04:45.40 | zaltekk | laptop is nearly 3 years old. core2duo 2.26ghz, 4gd ram, nvidia 9800gts |
| 04:46.00 | zaltekk | somiaj: any opinion on sidux/aptosid? |
| 04:46.21 | somiaj | zaltekk: do you want gnome3 or any bleeding edge large desktop enviorment? |
| 04:46.29 | zaltekk | somiaj: i use i3 |
| 04:46.34 | somiaj | zaltekk: sidux or aptosid? I don't reconize either of those. |
| 04:46.35 | zaltekk | version 4 is quite recent |
| 04:47.39 | somiaj | zaltekk: You should be able to easily backport that, if you don't mind compling software making backports isn't that hard. (backport = newsoftware compiled against the stable libaries) |
| 04:47.41 | zaltekk | somiaj: it's a rolling release based on sid that is suppose to be 100% backwards compatible |
| 04:47.58 | zaltekk | somiaj: right. luckily most of what i want isn't huge like KDE or OOo. |
| 04:48.25 | zaltekk | i'm a senior CS undergrad, so i can manage doing that type stuff fine. |
| 04:48.53 | somiaj | zaltekk: http://cut.debian.net/ -- this is what i'm talking about. Nope I just run sid, really I don't see why some third party making sid snapshots is any better than just running sid. |
| 04:49.25 | somiaj | zaltekk: I like the idea of cut because there will be security and bug fixes along with some initial testing to try to get a decent snapshot of testing |
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| 04:49.43 | zaltekk | that would be nice. |
| 04:50.35 | zaltekk | i've already got a debian 6.0.0 dvd around somewhere, so i'll wipe off m 2nd laptop hdd and try it |
| 04:50.45 | zaltekk | then see how backporting my favorite few packages works |
| 04:51.05 | somiaj | zaltekk: anyways run sid if you want to be running bleeding edge debian, expect things to break, but if you understand debian there are things you can do to minimize brakage |
| 04:51.22 | waltman | killing the xinit process kicked me back to a console! |
| 04:51.43 | zaltekk | somiaj: well, i don't know debian extremely well. but i have a basic understanding already. i'm sure i'll get up to speed fast. |
| 04:51.45 | somiaj | zErOaCid: stable + backports if ou don't want to fix your system all the time or care about will an upgrade break tings I just need to get work done. Once you spend the work to backport things in teh first place you are fairly golden (just realize you take security/bug support of backports into your hands) |
| 04:51.59 | somiaj | zaltekk: ^^ |
| 04:52.28 | zaltekk | yeah, i figure i can monitor the announce/security mailing lists for the things i find important enough to backport |
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| 04:52.42 | somiaj | zaltekk: yea play with stable + very minimial backporst until you undestand how debian works. If you find that doesn't work for you, upgrading it to sid shouldn't be an issue if you want to play with bleeding edge + broken |
| 04:53.11 | somiaj | zaltekk: I've ran a sid desktop for 10+ years (I am actually still running that original isntall that has been upgrade/coppied over to new hardare a few times in that time period) |
| 04:53.31 | somiaj | zaltekk: but things do break and I spend a good amount of time fixing/learning how debian changed things on me. |
| 04:54.28 | waltman | thanks for your help! |
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| 04:55.38 | zaltekk | somiaj: will do. thanks for the advise. |
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| 05:02.16 | cesaro | this is a really awful question, but i simply cannot seem to solve it. perl is complaining about being unable to set some locales. |
| 05:02.26 | cesaro | 'Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory' is one of them. |
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| 05:04.39 | rking | cesaro: I think you need to run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 05:05.31 | cesaro | i've tried that, and set it to en_au_utf8 or however its written. |
| 05:05.48 | cesaro | embarassingly, i just isntalled locales-all which seemed to magically fix it. |
| 05:05.48 | rking | cesaro: Did you then log out and log back in? |
| 05:05.56 | cesaro | i did, yeah |
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| 05:06.09 | rking | cesaro: Glad you got it. =) |
| 05:06.11 | cesaro | perhaps i did not have the au locale i thought i did. |
| 05:06.14 | cesaro | darn, embarassing. |
| 05:06.19 | somiaj | cesaro: was this happening in a chroot/vm you installed with debootstrap? |
| 05:06.29 | cesaro | it appeared in the reconfigure |
| 05:06.34 | cesaro | its in a hypervz container yeah |
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| 05:06.43 | cesaro | from a provider image, so its probably not quite koscher |
| 05:06.55 | cesaro | kocher? something |
| 05:07.57 | somiaj | well I know that debootstrap doesn't install the locales so sometimes base imgages need to have the locales package installed to fix that error. (: |
| 05:08.51 | cesaro | makes sense! never had this issue before asw i dont use vz regularly |
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| 05:20.19 | mah454 | How can downgrade in Debian ? |
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| 05:22.12 | somiaj | mah454: not easily |
| 05:22.30 | somiaj | mah454: is this a whole install or just a package (or two) you want to downgrade in testing/unstable because of a bug? |
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| 05:22.46 | mah454 | i have a problem and need downgrade : http://pastebin.com/3uQqPAB4 |
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| 05:23.03 | jsoft_ | Oooooooooh noes |
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| 05:24.33 | somiaj | mah454: please give us the output of 'apt-cache policy' and 'apt-cache policy gcc-4.3' |
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| 05:31.43 | niftylettuce | 6.0 is gnome2 right? |
| 05:32.05 | mah454 | niftylettuce, yes 2.30 |
| 05:32.14 | niftylettuce | mah454: no plans for gnome 3 hopefully, right? |
| 05:32.38 | mah454 | niftylettuce, no , you can use experimental repository |
| 05:32.45 | niftylettuce | +1 |
| 05:32.53 | niftylettuce | started with debian, going back, unity/gnome-shell etc. are ftl |
| 05:33.05 | zykotick9 | niftylettuce: "stable" does update versions, or it wouldn't be stable ;) |
| 05:33.14 | zykotick9 | s/does/doesn't/ |
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| 05:34.33 | niftylettuce | \o |
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| 05:35.11 | mah454 | i not like gnome 3 ! (gnome 2.32 is better ! ) |
| 05:35.29 | niftylettuce | yes yes it is |
| 05:41.22 | MaXim_ | yay |
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| 05:50.52 | cesaro | what hashing algorithm does debian usually use for /etc/shadow? |
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| 06:00.22 | mah454 | cesaro, sha512 |
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| 06:00.49 | cesaro | how do oyu guys feel about using blowfish instead, is it justified? |
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| 06:04.34 | esprimo | Why don't you want to use sha512? |
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| 06:05.58 | esprimo | Just curious |
| 06:06.50 | cesaro | well, i have read it is theoretically possible to have hash collisions with sha512, but i am not especially concerned or not wanting to use it |
| 06:07.01 | cesaro | i am also just curious about what others do |
| 06:08.08 | esprimo | Oh, okay. It's theoretically possible to have hash collisions with any hash algorithm, just so you know |
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| 06:08.45 | cesaro | yeah, i am no cryptographer, but its my understanding that sha512 has had such a thing demonstrated, while blowfish hasnt. |
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| 06:10.48 | esprimo | Hm, didn't know that |
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| 06:10.56 | esprimo | But seem to be correct |
| 06:12.22 | cesaro | just running through some initial security steps before i load this server up again |
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| 06:13.09 | cesaro | thus far ive changed the logrotate to stop it discarding things, logged all the shells, installed the security updates and set pam to use blowfish. anything else that you guys would usually do? its going to have lighttpd and vsftpd exposed |
| 06:13.52 | esprimo | "logged all the shells"? |
| 06:14.23 | esprimo | Hm, dependn how paranoid you are I guess, you could try grsecurity and/or tripwire maybe |
| 06:14.24 | cesaro | bash and tcsh are sending all output to syslog, using the 'bofh' patches for each. |
| 06:14.36 | esprimo | Ah, okay |
| 06:14.40 | cesaro | well i think openvz might stop me using some advanced grsec things. but tripwire might be worth a shot |
| 06:14.51 | cesaro | this server was compromised a month ago, and ive been as of yet unable to establish why |
| 06:14.59 | cesaro | and due to poor logrotate foo, ill never know. |
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| 06:38.40 | egoga | I'm trying to compile nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx for wheezy using a kernel compile of 3.1.1, and it's saying: *** Unable to determine the kernel version *** |
| 06:38.53 | egoga | I tried steps that google gave me but they were for older versions of Debian. What's going wrong? |
| 06:39.45 | egoga | SvMEFkD~ -vu'a.@& v<'3oCAd K}qecU>* X-v}P$ BM#F^fT !Dnn%Hy |
| 06:39.50 | egoga | _:tWMNr q>M?UG J jZR!=o 5_V=v(-: n?l~<9 C^Mt\$ = Mc(f{ l |
| 06:39.55 | egoga | 'k>K7Dr _y];x{t` cjW$H%r tpv!/(a. U_lATluR Wh;%&,{ h&/=rs7j |
| 06:40.00 | egoga | m4_WmR> }s 1n$XG v3(VL8 +?H/BG{. Zp{;`Y+! m}]pnN> .)8mpG,} |
| 06:40.05 | egoga | hs}"hcu >DUu-`?: ;Y}XE,i *A?Z%vS[ e|*IA,2& VI+~^~" %C^o{/h |
| 06:40.08 | Cisien | yep, you're helping your cause with that... |
| 06:40.10 | egoga | m%CP}e Y)?W@]f\ W>tz7o-j NbmM?:Ob gd<Ku5L {8apNkv~ j(|Sm&Hg |
| 06:40.15 | egoga | Terminated |
| 06:40.16 | egoga | yeah, well, I had to get someone attention |
| 06:40.34 | Cisien | attention of /ignore |
| 06:40.36 | Cisien | ...yep |
| 06:40.38 | egoga | Why is it that no one here knows anything |
| 06:40.49 | egoga | I mean, it's not like the mid to late 90s where you'd go to a crappy network like EFnet IRC and get an answer |
| 06:41.42 | Cisien | 1) people are idle in here. 2) the people that are here have never had your problem. 3) you're spamming the channel, now nobody wants to help. |
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| 06:46.32 | mah454 | I can not scp or sftp to debian server ! receive this error : orrupted MAC on input . |
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| 06:51.48 | egoga | well shiver me timbers |
| 06:51.57 | egoga | Maybe I'll go ask somewhere else |
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| 06:58.08 | egoga | On http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers, it says that wheezy doesn't support the past two legacy cards, only squeeze does |
| 06:58.14 | egoga | but there must be a way to install it externally |
| 06:58.15 | egoga | fg |
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| 06:59.20 | nollidj | egoga: how are you trying to compile it? from the source package? |
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| 07:00.57 | egoga | This is what I'm trying to do: I already did all that m-a a-i whatever |
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| 07:01.32 | egoga | my problem is that the only driver available in a wheezy package is 290.10 |
| 07:01.43 | mah454 | please view this : http://pastebin.com/1JcV5RTZ |
| 07:01.52 | mah454 | i use scp for compy file to server |
| 07:01.59 | egoga | it doesn't support 96xx legacy cards... I'm also trying to compile the nvidia-96xx module source from a dpkg -i --force-all |
| 07:02.05 | egoga | and I'm simply typing "make" |
| 07:02.05 | mah454 | after copy md5 is not true ! |
| 07:02.06 | egoga | that's all |
| 07:02.22 | egoga | I'm using this for the default kernel 3.1.0 |
| 07:03.32 | egoga | It seems like the files are dated 2008 |
| 07:03.38 | egoga | Which is pre-squeeze |
| 07:03.57 | egoga | I mean, really, why they wouldn't do it, I don't know |
| 07:03.58 | nollidj | do you know if any nvidia drivers that work with your card work with that version of the kernel? |
| 07:04.33 | nollidj | if it's an issue of nvidia dropping support, then without the right patches i don't think you're going to get very far. |
| 07:04.47 | egoga | I don't think it's an issue of nvidia dropping support, their drivers are still the asme |
| 07:04.50 | egoga | same |
| 07:04.56 | egoga | It's an issue of not having a working wheezy package |
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| 07:05.57 | egoga | try going to http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-dkms |
| 07:06.00 | egoga | see what it says |
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| 07:08.09 | egoga | I tried exactly what I tried with Slackware in November of 2002, downloaded the .run files |
| 07:08.22 | egoga | ran them, compiled them, compiled the kernel, then rebooted |
| 07:08.41 | egoga | The problem 10 years later with the same computer is that the .run file won't extract the source |
| 07:08.52 | nollidj | what's the problem there? |
| 07:09.14 | egoga | So I extracted source code dated 2008 and I'm trying to compile it... it mentions 2.4 and 2.6 kernels but I'm doing this for a 3.1.0 kernel |
| 07:09.45 | egoga | The problem is that wheezy has no 96xx nvidia legacy .debs or support, and I can't compile the old 96xx deb from a previous version |
| 07:09.57 | egoga | also, I can't extract the: |
| 07:09.57 | nollidj | is it worth trying to backport the sid package for yourself? |
| 07:10.01 | egoga | -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10323541 Dec 9 05:40 /NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.20-pkg0.run |
| 07:10.01 | egoga | -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17158448 Dec 9 16:03 /NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.20-pkg1.run |
| 07:10.08 | egoga | Yeah |
| 07:10.13 | egoga | I could backport the sid package for myself if I knew how |
| 07:10.17 | egoga | is there a sid package though |
| 07:10.31 | nollidj | change wheezy to sid in the url you pasted |
| 07:11.07 | egoga | I will try http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-dkms |
| 07:12.18 | egoga | It worked |
| 07:12.24 | egoga | how could I do a backport though |
| 07:12.24 | nollidj | awesome |
| 07:12.34 | egoga | do I download the .deb and just type dpkg -i that file |
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| 07:13.41 | nollidj | oh. well, creating a backport is more than that. you could try just installing with dpkg -i; but that is not actually making a backport |
| 07:13.45 | egoga | !dpkg backport |
| 07:13.46 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 07:14.35 | egoga | ad |
| 07:14.52 | egoga | Is there a guide tellin how to make a backport from that sid package? |
| 07:14.56 | nollidj | egoga: see also http://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation |
| 07:15.18 | nollidj | early hit on google, btw. |
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| 07:16.08 | egoga | alright |
| 07:16.09 | egoga | thanks |
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| 07:17.20 | nollidj | np |
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| 07:35.07 | spetrea | hey I just made these : http://i.imgur.com/I9qhh.jpg , http://i.imgur.com/SkIW7.jpg , http://i.imgur.com/Oauib.jpg . what do you think of them ? can you guess what's in the cup ? |
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| 07:36.02 | jelly-home | spetrea: try #defocus for chat, this is a tech support channel |
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| 07:37.01 | jelly-home | also bon appetit |
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| 07:39.36 | spetrea | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 07:45.26 | egoga | Cool, thanks for the advice |
| 07:45.35 | egoga | what does it mean by change Build/depends debian/control |
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| 07:46.02 | egoga | does it mean /etc/dkms/template-dkms-mdeb/debian/control |
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| 07:46.46 | nollidj | egoga: did you look inside the source package you extracted? |
| 07:46.53 | egoga | yeah, all it has is two .run files |
| 07:46.57 | egoga | oh wait |
| 07:47.05 | egoga | I downloaded the .deb files also, should I look in there? |
| 07:47.19 | egoga | I could only find a .dsc file for a few |
| 07:47.24 | egoga | not all packages |
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| 09:28.18 | omid8bimo | how can i provide user and pass in ftp command line? ftp user:pass@host is not working |
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| 09:30.06 | Aprendiz | hi all |
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| 09:32.06 | Aprendiz | I have a samba server working fine, I can connect from windows and linux clients but suddenly appear the error NT code 0x1c010002 and I have to remove tdb cache and restart samba and winbind and the works again |
| 09:32.11 | Aprendiz | i am using debian squeeze |
| 09:32.17 | Aprendiz | any known problem? |
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| 09:44.58 | Aprendiz | maybe a bug? |
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| 09:53.17 | Aprendiz | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=539337 |
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| 09:57.36 | Mogget | Hey guys. I am thinking about setting the noatime option in fstab for my /tmp and / partitions on my laptop to see if I can improve performance. Any comments on this? |
| 09:58.06 | Mogget | In other words. Is there a reason why I should not be doing this? |
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| 10:02.42 | xingu | Mogget: I've run that way for years; what will get upset is anything using atime as a poor-man's "if-modified-since" check (ie, typically differential backups) |
| 10:03.14 | Mogget | xingu: yeah, im reading up on it now. It seems some few applications like mutt does this. |
| 10:03.15 | xingu | Mogget: you may be interested in rcS(5)'s explantion for how to make /tmp a shmfs, too (if you have the memory for this) |
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| 10:03.46 | jelly | Mogget: but you don't have mutt's .mboxes on / |
| 10:03.59 | jelly | tmpfs? |
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| 10:04.29 | jelly | shmfs is... some other OS |
| 10:04.30 | xingu | tmpfs != shmfs last I checked, but that was >3y ago |
| 10:04.38 | Mogget | jelly: I don't use the software. I just used it as an example in this conversation |
| 10:04.39 | xingu | and I meant shmfs. :) |
| 10:05.04 | jelly | xingu: I don't know there's a shmfs in Linux |
| 10:05.18 | cesaro | xingu: what is a rich mans atime for if modified since |
| 10:05.43 | jelly | cesaro: proper backup apps keep their own databases. |
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| 10:05.57 | xingu | cesaro: block md5sum delta compare. |
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| 10:06.32 | xingu | well sha1sum I guess |
| 10:06.41 | cesaro | have you a link i could read. |
| 10:07.12 | xingu | cesaro: http://cs.anu.edu.au/techreports/1996/TR-CS-96-05.html |
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| 10:07.28 | Mogget | xingu: /tmp as shmfs is a great idea. thanks. |
| 10:07.46 | jelly | WHAT SHMFS |
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| 10:08.20 | adac | hi guys! is there a deb package that can convert diff output to html? |
| 10:08.25 | ZekeS | I thought tmp was made as a tmpfs in ram >.> |
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| 10:13.01 | jelly | ZekeS: not by default |
| 10:13.32 | xingu | jelly: aah, there you go, tmpfs was renamed... from shmfs ;) |
| 10:13.49 | jelly | ! |
| 10:14.01 | jelly | world makes sense again |
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| 10:14.44 | rainfyre | hello everyone. |
| 10:14.55 | rainfyre | What is the command to show me what devices are connected to my computer? |
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| 10:15.11 | Cisien | lspci? |
| 10:15.17 | Cisien | lshw |
| 10:15.22 | rainfyre | thank you |
| 10:15.24 | Cisien | lsusb |
| 10:15.32 | jelly | !what's my hardware |
| 10:15.32 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run "lshw -html > myhardware.html" as root and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>, <driver locator>. |
| 10:15.56 | rainfyre | cool, thank you |
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| 10:17.50 | Cisien | xingu: shm / shmfs is also known as tmpfs, - http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/what-is-devshm-and-its-practical-usage.html |
| 10:18.07 | Mogget | Does this look sane for you guys? http://pastebin.com/QWRKVU64 |
| 10:18.55 | Cisien | only one way to find out :) |
| 10:19.31 | Cisien | looks fine to me |
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| 10:22.23 | Cisien | Mogget, mine, for reference. http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=JRrFYS9S |
| 10:22.28 | Cisien | it's two different boxes |
| 10:23.05 | tvm | mogget: it's okay. |
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| 10:26.48 | xingu | jelly: http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=90222165332747&w=2 ;) |
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| 10:27.50 | lapsusbrutus | Anyone a samba guru here that can help me adding and configuring windows drivers an a samba server? debian wheezy.. still a little off topic I guess :p But any help would be greatly appriciated |
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| 10:28.31 | Cisien | don't you just copy them to some share? printer$ or something? |
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| 10:30.12 | xingu | jelly: ... and later... http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=98106335520750&w=2 |
| 10:30.41 | Mogget | Seems like it is working fine. |
| 10:31.05 | Mogget | Is there a way i can confirm that it is using noatime on / and /home partitions? |
| 10:31.47 | xingu | Mogget: cat /proc/mounts |
| 10:31.56 | tvm | mogget: or just "mount" |
| 10:31.57 | xingu | Mogget: or use stat(1) |
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| 10:32.18 | xingu | tvm: mount(1) can get confused if its /etc/mtab gets out of whack with reality. |
| 10:32.44 | xingu | mount(8) |
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| 10:32.47 | IRConan | i thought modern implementations basically ignored /etc/mtab and used /proc/mounts |
| 10:32.53 | xingu | IRConan: nope. |
| 10:32.54 | tvm | xingu: yes, i know. |
| 10:34.38 | Mogget | Thank you. It seems to be working. I'll just try this out and see if I get some noticeable performance increase from this. |
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| 10:35.46 | xingu | sells mogget a battery-backed raid controller and the "nobarrier" mount option |
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| 10:43.42 | jelly | xingu: when 2001 is "later", it explains why I don't remember it |
| 10:43.51 | xingu | hee hee |
| 10:44.01 | xingu | hands jelly a really OLD copy of RAC |
| 10:45.30 | wobster | Hi everyone. On wheezy, it seems that /dev/shm points to /var/run/shm which I would be happy to mount - if only the latter mountpoint existed (I think that problem is related to the fact that I run a separate /var partition, and /var/run does not exist in the early boot stages). Can somebody tell me where in the bootprocess I possibly could to that myself? |
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| 11:05.28 | babilen | wobster: This somehow indicates that you did not complete the /run transition -- Are you sure that your system is up-to-date? Do you have the /run directory? |
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| 11:06.21 | lapsusbrutus | Cisien: you first install them locally and then copy them into the "3" dir? is it that easy |
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| 11:13.58 | wobster | babilen, yes. In the / parition I manually had to create /var/run which silenced some early-boot warnings. The remaining problem is that in my guess early in the bootprocess /var/run/shm is mounted in the root but when later /var is actually mounted it is not recreated. Wonder if that could be related to this one: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=607136 |
| 11:14.23 | babilen | wobster: I am *not* talking about /var/run but /run |
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| 11:14.46 | wobster | babilen, run exists and is a symlink to /var/run |
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| 11:17.31 | babilen | wobster: It shouldn't be a symlink |
| 11:17.52 | babilen | wobster: I'll be back in a second, sorry. |
| 11:17.54 | wobster | So, it should be the other way around? /var/run -> /run |
| 11:18.11 | wobster | No problem. Take your time. |
| 11:19.35 | babilen | wobster: Yes, exactly. Just make sure /run is a directory |
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| 11:21.46 | xingu | wobster: I've run /var as a discrete partition for years; have not hit the usse you're describing. :) |
| 11:21.51 | xingu | s/usse/issue/ |
| 11:21.54 | xp_ | want to remotely run firefox on a VPS (512M) |
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| 11:22.10 | xp_ | and show the terminal on my desktop. |
| 11:22.16 | xp_ | what should be the solution., |
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| 11:22.26 | wobster | xingu, you can't be running wheezy for years, I suppose then. |
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| 11:22.51 | xingu | wobster: I've been on sid/unstable since at least '04. :) |
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| 11:23.47 | wobster | xingu, alright alright :) |
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| 11:27.52 | wobster | Oh nice. That apparently fixed it. Interestingly, some initscript also corrected /var/run to be a symlink to /run. Thanks for your response babilen. |
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| 11:32.22 | xp_ | what is the program to choose if I want to remotely launch a firefox instance |
| 11:32.44 | xp_ | remote x terminal. what sure what to use. |
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| 11:34.02 | babilen | wobster: great, enjoy. Please note that we also have a channel (#debian-next) specifically for wheezy/sid support on irc.oftc.net |
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| 11:34.57 | acemi | xp_: ssh -X or vnc |
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| 11:37.17 | KNUBBIG | Hey! I have a folder with a lot of files in it (300k+) and want to delete all of them. rm tells me /usr/bin/rm: Too many arguments. What can I do? |
| 11:38.23 | abchirk_ | rm bla* at first? |
| 11:38.49 | babilen | KNUBBIG: Delete the directory recursively? (rm -r /path/to/dir) and re-create afterwards? Use find (/msg dpkg using find) with \+ ? ... |
| 11:38.49 | acemi | rm the directory and recreate it again |
| 11:39.42 | KNUBBIG | recursively deleting the directory would not give me the same error? THanks, I'll try that |
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| 11:40.05 | KNUBBIG | rm bla* is bitchy as it sometimes yields the same error message and the filenames are created with timestamps |
| 11:40.46 | babilen | KNUBBIG: This is a problem with the shell rather than rm (the * expansion which results in too many arguments specifically) -- I would recommend find + exed + \+ for paedagogical reasons. |
| 11:40.47 | blackshirt | KNUBBIG #rm -rv /path/to/folder/want/to/delete |
| 11:41.06 | babilen | s/exed/exec |
| 11:41.28 | KNUBBIG | thanks |
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| 11:42.14 | Trewas | the kernel is the one causing problems with rm bla* if there are too many files matching it (too long argument list to the executed program), but I thought that particular bug was fixed in the kernel a few years ago |
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| 11:50.10 | folivora | Gday. Got a question about wheezy usermod. When I do change via cmd usermod -a -G fuse <username> it should add that user to fuse group right? |
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| 11:58.15 | mjau^ | hi people. I'm actually on ubuntu 10.04, but maybe the runlevel system is very similar on debian? the thing is, I don't understand it. for instance, how do I list which services that will start on a certain runlevel? |
| 11:58.38 | mjau^ | (like, if you were on a RHEL box, you would do "chkconfig --list" iirc) |
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| 12:00.17 | mjt | um, ubuntu has their own runlevel/init manager, it is not sysv-based iirc (either systemd or something else). anyway, |
| 12:00.20 | mjt | !ubuntu |
| 12:00.21 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 12:00.51 | mjau^ | yeah, it's upstart............ |
| 12:00.59 | mjau^ | well, thanks anyway. |
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| 12:02.03 | Mmike | isn't debian using apstart too in 6.x? |
| 12:02.10 | technologov | nope |
| 12:02.36 | mjt | it may use systemd in some future version |
| 12:03.26 | technologov | Mandriva, IIRC, also developed own init system (or was it SUSE) ? |
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| 12:07.41 | kiler129 | hello! |
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| 12:09.57 | kiler129 | I have a small problem with apache2. I'm trying to set it up to listen only on 127.0.0.1 and port 8080. I;ve changed port&addr in sites-enabled/000-default and ports.conf but apache still fail to start with error "make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:8080" |
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| 12:14.01 | nevyn | is something else listening on 8080? |
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| 12:19.52 | folivora | Gday. Got a question about wheezy usermod. When I do change via cmd usermod -a -G fuse <username> it should add that user to fuse group right? |
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| 12:29.46 | woshty | i am trying to find a new mua. claws mail looks really nice, but printing does not leave any margins on the page. any ideas how to fix that? |
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| 12:32.33 | nodiscc | woshty: maybe that's something you can adjust directly in your CUPS settings? |
| 12:33.05 | mntzn | Hi, how can I make apt-get upgrade stop asking me Y/n questions when piping? I'm doing: apt-get upgrade; apt-get upgrade --just-print | grep upgraded | awk {'print $1'} |
| 12:33.06 | woshty | nodiscc: but i do not want to force settings for every printjob to fix one app |
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| 12:33.53 | nodiscc | mntzn: you can use apt-get upgrade --force-yes but be careful |
| 12:34.32 | mntzn | nodiscc: I don't need to update any package, I just need to get the number of packages that needs to be upgraded |
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| 12:36.14 | nodiscc | mntzn: i'd think this would be more easy with aptitude search + a flag, let me check |
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| 12:38.58 | mntzn | another thing is, why there's a difference between apt-get and aptitude in the number of upgraded packages? |
| 12:39.02 | nodiscc | mntzn: aptitude search ~U returns only upgradeable packages, so I think aptitude search ~U | wc -l would work |
| 12:39.14 | mntzn | nodiscc: thanks |
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| 12:40.10 | nodiscc | mntzn: apt-get and aptitude don't use the same dependency resolving algorithm, moreover aptitude defaults to a safe-upgrade |
| 12:40.44 | nodiscc | mntzn: np :) always good to practice aptitude-fu |
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| 12:41.09 | nodiscc | mntzn: file:///usr/share/doc/aptitude/README |
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| 12:43.04 | nodiscc | woshty: i understand that. There's no "print setup" preference in claws-mail? |
| 12:43.36 | woshty | nodiscc: there is, but it only lets you choose orientation and paper size |
| 12:44.03 | nodiscc | ah damn |
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| 12:47.28 | nodiscc | woshty: and what if you specify a paper size a bit smaller than your actual sheet size? (ugly hack inside) |
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| 12:54.17 | inaciano | hi all, i am looking for a app to record mouse and keyboard movement and inputs... i was using xmacro and autokey but didnt work... |
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| 12:55.07 | woshty | nodiscc: i can just choose formats like letter, a4 etc. i think it might have something to do with gnome-print (which claws apparently uses) having 0 as default setting |
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| 12:57.30 | nodiscc | inaciano: keyboard: logkeys, https://code.google.com/p/logkeys/ it's in the repos |
| 12:57.44 | inaciano | tanks |
| 12:57.49 | inaciano | i will take alook |
| 12:57.50 | nodiscc | inaciano: for mouse, i only know this http://iographica.com/download/ |
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| 13:02.16 | inaciano | nodiscc: great, but for this moment i need something like a macro recorder to "play" the same moves and keybord inserted .... i need this to make test |
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| 13:04.48 | nodiscc | ah, get it |
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| 13:05.27 | nodiscc | xmacro doesn't work? |
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| 13:09.21 | woshty | File -> Page Setup -> Paper Size -> Manage Custom Sizes |
| 13:09.29 | woshty | i do not like gtk |
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| 13:17.13 | balboah | how do I properly build only one kernel module which is not listed by module-assistant and which does not work from a kernel backport? |
| 13:17.36 | abrotman | build teh whole kernel |
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| 13:18.15 | balboah | I would rather just build the module and not reboot |
| 13:18.57 | Thinkscape | Good morning. Please point me to a good howto on doing netinst on a remote server (ded. srv.) ? |
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| 13:21.22 | abrotman | balboah: okay .. go ahead .. it won't work, but go ahead |
| 13:21.30 | abrotman | !tell Thinkscape about ssh install |
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| 13:21.55 | balboah | abrotman: why is that? |
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| 13:22.49 | balboah | it's for aesni-intel module specifically |
| 13:23.47 | Thinkscape | abrotman: thx, but that requires console access. I'm trying to do a netinst on a collocated machine. |
| 13:23.56 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 13:23.57 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 13:23.58 | abrotman | better ? |
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| 13:26.03 | Thinkscape | abrotman: mm... yummy. thx. I'll try that. |
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| 13:29.26 | Thinkscape | Are there any known problems or quirks with openvz on debian ? |
| 13:29.34 | Thinkscape | (as "host") |
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| 13:31.44 | thewanderer1 | how do I get nfs-kernel-server to log anything while on nfs4? I'm getting access denials but the logs are not useful at all :/ |
| 13:32.01 | thewanderer1 | I'd be glad to see at least a reason why the mount fails |
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| 13:39.19 | balboah | abrotman: aren't you supposed to be able to build a new module and load it without having to rebuild the whole kernel? |
| 13:39.38 | abrotman | balboah: depends on the kernel module .. sometimes works, sometimes not |
| 13:41.29 | balboah | allright |
| 13:41.57 | balboah | I've tried to find some information about how to enable aesni-intel module in the best way in debian stable, but failed. |
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| 13:42.05 | balboah | you would think a lot of people want this |
| 13:42.51 | balboah | as I understand it, it was disabled just because of some laptop model couldn't boot with it |
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| 13:44.44 | balboah | I also tried a 2.6.39 backport of the kernel, then the aes hardware encryption module was in there. But instead I got no console since it went all black screen. So I'm back to trying to get the module installed |
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| 14:06.44 | jelly | balboah: was the machine alive, jsut with black console, or did it not even answer to pings or make the hdd work? |
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| 14:07.07 | balboah | jelly: yeah everything worked but black screen, no output at all |
| 14:07.23 | balboah | this is a vga remote console btw from a supermicro motherboard |
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| 14:07.39 | balboah | some kind of vga redirection |
| 14:07.48 | jelly | balboah: try booting with disabled framebuffer. /msg dpkg nofb |
| 14:07.55 | balboah | yeah I did that |
| 14:08.07 | balboah | and some modelines etc without luck. but this was a couple of months ago |
| 14:08.30 | jelly | modelines are not relevant if you can succeed in staying in text mode |
| 14:08.44 | balboah | ok |
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| 14:09.00 | balboah | yes the boot promt worked, eg grub shows. but once the linux kernel loads it wipes the screen |
| 14:09.10 | balboah | maybe I didn't succeed properly with disabling the fb |
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| 14:09.34 | balboah | maybe I should try to fix that instead of compiling the module then |
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| 14:12.43 | tidux | how do I completely purge GNOME 3 from my system? |
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| 14:13.57 | streuner_ | dpkg, remove gnome |
| 14:13.58 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
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| 14:14.08 | tidux | dpkg, remove gnome 3 |
| 14:14.08 | dpkg | tidux: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 14:14.09 | jardjit-singh | tidux: you can purge it |
| 14:14.34 | tidux | jardjit-singh: every time I try it keeps saying it'll install additional GNOME programs |
| 14:14.51 | tidux | also, it's 3.x I'm trying to get rid of |
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| 14:15.09 | kohvihoor | tidux, what are you gonna use instead? |
| 14:15.13 | tidux | KDE |
| 14:15.13 | babilen | tidux: What do you mean by "completely" ? I would think that purging the above (for gnome2) should get rid of most of it. |
| 14:15.20 | kohvihoor | tidux, this maybe then: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde |
| 14:15.24 | tidux | I mean clear out absolutely everything |
| 14:15.25 | jardjit-singh | tidux: you can choose another solutions |
| 14:15.54 | kohvihoor | tidux, i've used that "guide" myself, worked nicely |
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| 14:16.44 | babilen | tidux: You probably want to purge ~nlibgtk as well. |
| 14:16.46 | tidux | kohvihoor: yeah, that didn't work |
| 14:16.56 | tidux | babilen: nah, I still want to use Iceweasel |
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| 14:17.10 | babilen | tidux: So you don't want to remove it completely? |
| 14:17.16 | tidux | what |
| 14:17.21 | tidux | no, Gtk != GNOME |
| 14:17.25 | tidux | I just don't want the GNOME stuff |
| 14:17.26 | babilen | tidux: As in: Every single bit of software that is gnome related. |
| 14:17.54 | tidux | look, I've got 800MB free on /, I'm just trying to clear out some disk space before I install KDE |
| 14:18.36 | kohvihoor | what if you purge gdm? shouldn't that remove gnome too? |
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| 14:19.18 | kohvihoor | iirc installing gdm depends on alot of gnome packages |
| 14:19.21 | LoonaTick | Hi. I have a health check script that runs every second. In this script I need to check if the system is listening on a at least 8 IP addresses on port 80. Is there another way to do this except trying to connect to it or netstat -an|grep ? Because the server has 10k connections open the netstat -an takes a bit too long. I cannot imagine there isn't a better solution except moving the netstat -an to a cronjob. |
| 14:19.27 | tidux | gdm's already gone |
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| 14:19.40 | tidux | I have most of GNOME 3, including Nautilus and GNOME Shell |
| 14:19.54 | balboah | jelly: nomodeset was the option that was added when I tried, but this is a different thing then |
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| 14:20.37 | jardjit-singh | tidux: you can purge everything (gnome-based) and goes to pure text console |
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| 14:20.56 | tidux | jardjit-singh: I'm already running e17 |
| 14:21.00 | tidux | so I highly doubt it'd go to console |
| 14:21.19 | babilen | tidux: "aptitude purge '~R^gnome$' '~RRecommends:^gnome$' '~R^gnome-core$' '~RRecommends:^gnome-core$' '~R^gnome-shell$' '~RRecommends:^gnome-shell$'" should purge quite a lot of gnome-related software. |
| 14:21.27 | Thinkscape | LoonaTick: why not port-probe ? |
| 14:21.46 | LoonaTick | pfft googled it again and found that netstat has --listening |
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| 14:22.15 | LoonaTick | Thinkscape: Thanks, but netstat --listening will also do :) |
| 14:22.28 | folivora | Gday, anyone pro with wget? =) |
| 14:22.53 | jardjit-singh | folivora: what your problem with wget ? |
| 14:22.54 | jelly | balboah: that might be needed as well. If you have a KMS (kernel modesetting) graphics card in there, it might be better to completely blacklist the kernel modules used for that |
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| 14:24.11 | balboah | jelly: ok, I'll poke around thanks |
| 14:25.16 | folivora | jardjit-singh: ok, i have parsed filenames which I want to download with wget from html-source to a tmpfile.htm, they exist in a site, but how I tell wget to download them... they are located behind of same url, but I want to get just those one that I just parsed from the site... (I am building a cron-script) |
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| 14:44.41 | tvm | folivora: it's all perfectly described in the wget's manpage |
| 14:45.05 | tidux | alright |
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| 14:45.13 | tidux | freed up over a gigabyte of space |
| 14:45.21 | tidux | now installing kde |
| 14:45.23 | tidux | thanks |
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| 14:49.12 | nvictor | hello debian :) |
| 14:49.16 | nvictor | did you miss me? |
| 14:49.26 | nvictor | hmm, who was it? |
| 14:50.05 | nvictor | can't remember :) |
| 14:50.26 | jelly | !qotd0 |
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| 14:50.36 | nvictor | anyway, anyone can show me how to uninstall a package installed using the usual .configure, make, make install procedure? |
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| 14:51.29 | kohvihoor | nvictor, go to the folder where you did make install and do make uninstall |
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| 14:53.58 | sads | hello there |
| 14:54.42 | sads | I am very new to android programming and stucked into a proble. I need help can anybody help me ? |
| 14:54.49 | jardjit-singh | hello |
| 14:55.13 | jardjit-singh | sads: i'm sory, maybe other could help you |
| 14:55.30 | DammitJim | sads, are you in the right channel? |
| 14:55.31 | sads | jardjit: thank you man :| |
| 14:55.34 | DammitJim | or am I in the wrong channel? |
| 14:55.45 | DammitJim | for android programming, check out #android-dev |
| 14:55.49 | nvictor | kohvihoor: thanks :) |
| 14:55.56 | sads | ok. thanks |
| 14:56.00 | nvictor | sads, are you using java? |
| 14:56.05 | kohvihoor | nvictor, yw :) |
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| 14:58.08 | nvictor | kohvihoor, during the uninstall step |
| 14:58.18 | nvictor | i don't need ./configure and make right? |
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| 14:58.48 | kohvihoor | nope |
| 14:59.14 | nvictor | thanks |
| 14:59.28 | folivora | thanks tvm :) I was blind .) |
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| 15:14.34 | tvm | folivora: .) |
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| 15:15.01 | cyprox | hello good afternoon |
| 15:15.16 | cyprox | can someone help me configure a NameServer in Debian? |
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| 15:17.02 | petemc | cyprox: do you want to run a server like bind9 or do you mean you just cant currently resolve hostnames? |
| 15:17.24 | cyprox | I want to run a bind9 or mydns server in my debian server |
| 15:17.43 | petemc | bind9 works out of the box as a caching nameserver |
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| 15:19.04 | Burps_ | Hi : I played a bit with backports (a long time ago, to have FF5), now I think I messed up my sources.list and apt system :( |
| 15:19.24 | orflon | hello, what's the latest version of iceweasel? I'm running 3.5.16, but I read that there is a newer one. Aptitude says it's latest though. |
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| 15:19.58 | Guest90286 | orflon: You can get backports from http://mozilla.debian.net (you probably want "release") |
| 15:20.10 | mrverrall | check out http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 15:20.24 | Burps_ | my problem now is : libpango1.0-0 version 1.28.3-1+squeeze2 and I need the -dev : but apt can only find the regular 1.8.2-2 : is there a way to solve this ? |
| 15:20.25 | orflon | backports is an unofficial repository? |
| 15:20.27 | mrverrall | what he said ;) |
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| 15:20.53 | Guest90286 | orflon: http://mozilla.debian.net is from our mozilla team and backports (as in http://backports.debian.org ) are official |
| 15:21.04 | Guest90286 | !tell Burps_ -about bat |
| 15:21.08 | mrverrall | backports is official, and mozilla.debian.net is official enough |
| 15:21.12 | orflon | Guest90286, thanks mate |
| 15:21.22 | Guest90286 | Guest90286? |
| 15:21.38 | orflon | aren't you? |
| 15:21.51 | mrverrall | sees <Guest90286> |
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| 15:22.13 | babilen | :) |
| 15:22.13 | orflon | thanks babilen : ) |
| 15:23.00 | Burps_ | Guest90286 : http://paste.debian.net/149108/ |
| 15:23.22 | Burps_ | babilen: ^^ |
| 15:24.21 | babilen | Burps_: Could you throw in your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy libgtk2.0-dev libpango1.0-dev libcairo2-dev" as well as "aptitude install -s libgtk2.0-dev" please? |
| 15:24.59 | Burps_ | ok |
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| 15:27.11 | Burps_ | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/149110/ |
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| 15:35.23 | babilen | Burps_: Yeah, you seem to have some packages from backports installed. Enable backports as detailed on http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ (you *might* also want to have access to backported iceweasel packages) -- Somthing like http://paste.debian.net/149113/ is what I have in mind. |
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| 15:36.13 | Burps_ | ok, I'll try that and let yon knox, thanks |
| 15:36.39 | soomsoom | netanel: bro |
| 15:36.41 | woshty | i am looking for a script or program to sync a ftp share with a local dir. the only thing i could find is ftpmirror, which seems to be largely undocumented |
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| 15:37.45 | Justin | woshty: don't use ftp, use rsync? |
| 15:38.25 | qwd | Someone got fail code 4, fsck in read only mode failed, and has now entered maintenance mode as the instructions say. I guess one is supposed to run fsck now but what exactly should be typed? Filesysten used is ext4. |
| 15:38.49 | woshty | Justin: remote has only ftp |
| 15:39.01 | Justin | qwd: fsck /dev/whatever |
| 15:39.07 | Justin | woshty: lftp? |
| 15:39.37 | woshty | Justin: oh, does that have some kind of syncmode? |
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| 15:40.04 | Justin | woshty: yes |
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| 15:42.07 | salvin | http://nyanit.com/www.debian.org |
| 15:42.47 | babilen | salvin: Wrong channel -- Take it somewhere else. |
| 15:43.55 | jelly | hmm, that seems relevant to my interests |
| 15:43.59 | woshty | Justin: great, thanks .. didnt know about reverse mirror mode .. only found some mount fpt share and use rsync on mount stuff before that .. |
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| 15:45.37 | salvin | jelly: the nyan cat is always relevant |
| 15:46.26 | jelly | salvin: I prefer the command line. |
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| 15:47.05 | jelly | salvin: telnet miku.acm.uiuc.edu |
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| 15:47.36 | babilen | salvin: Yeah, but take it to a different channel. I am sure jelly loves to discuss the effects of nyan cats on society in #debian-offtopic with you. |
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| 15:48.11 | LiENUS | ugh i messed up with tar |
| 15:48.16 | Thinkscape | openvz or linux-vserver on debian ? |
| 15:48.24 | LiENUS | and accidentally made a file named "--strip-components" |
| 15:48.27 | LiENUS | how do i delete it? |
| 15:48.30 | colo-work | Thinkscape, neither. |
| 15:48.36 | babilen | LiENUS: rm -- --strip-components |
| 15:48.42 | LiENUS | ah ty |
| 15:48.48 | colo-work | rm ./--strip-components |
| 15:48.58 | Thinkscape | colo-work: I want containers, not full virtualization. Why neither ? |
| 15:51.10 | petern__ | how is one supposed to use updated snort rules with squeeze? |
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| 15:51.19 | petern__ | snort don't provide rules fo r2.8.5.2 |
| 15:51.20 | petern__ | *for |
| 15:51.28 | salvin | jelly: it needs the sound, perhaps with the beep |
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| 15:53.23 | balzac5000 | I'm running Lenny (5.0.9) and it aptitude tells me that "mysql-client-5.0" is BROKEN. When I try to install or purge it no action is taken. This started yesterday when applications using mysql couldn't log in using the root password. Anyone know of anything up with the mysql packages? |
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| 15:54.36 | LiENUS | ok can someone explain how to strip the first 3 path components from a tar file |
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| 15:54.41 | LiENUS | ie im creating a tarfile with this command line |
| 15:54.53 | LiENUS | tar cvjf svcs.tar.bz2 /home/avs/Software/SVCS/ /home/avs/Software/Data/ |
| 15:55.05 | balboah | balzac5000: maybe aptitude reinstall works? |
| 15:55.11 | LiENUS | how in gods green name do i remove the /home/avs/Software part and just end up with two dirs in my tar file "SVCS" and "Data"? |
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| 15:55.36 | jelly | LiENUS: the easiest way: (cd /home/avs/Software; tar cvjf ../../../svcs.tar.bz2 SVCS Data) |
| 15:55.54 | LiENUS | jelly, well theres a --strip-components command line argument that seems like it does that |
| 15:55.57 | LiENUS | but i cant get it to :/ |
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| 15:55.59 | balzac5000 | balboah: Thanks for the response! You'd think so, but this is what I get when I try to reinstall the client: http://pastebin.com/a5ccdNWw |
| 15:56.10 | LiENUS | oh its for extraction |
| 15:56.11 | LiENUS | bleh |
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| 15:56.34 | petern__ | or should i be compiling snort from source? |
| 15:56.57 | balzac5000 | balboah: and of course there is no "libdbd-mysql-perl" package - I don't know what the "virtual package" reference is about |
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| 15:57.46 | balboah | balzac5000: I don't really know either. What did you do when it started breaking? |
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| 15:59.20 | balzac5000 | We have an HVAC outage, so I (gracefully, I thought) powered down the server. When I brought it back up no applications nor I were able to log into MySQL |
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| 16:00.47 | balzac5000 | I could log into MySQL with "mysql --user=root mysql" and then issued a "update user set Password=PASSWORD('new-password-here') WHERE User='root';" command, with a "flush privileges;" and it STILL wouldn't let me log in. |
| 16:01.01 | balzac5000 | So I thought a reinstall of MySQL would be in order. |
| 16:01.28 | keith4 | why not just remove the client and reinstall it? |
| 16:02.08 | balzac5000 | keith4: Thanks for chiming in! When I try to re-install the client I get this: http://pastebin.com/a5ccdNWw |
| 16:02.31 | keith4 | looks like you haven't removed it, first |
| 16:03.29 | keith4 | you could also try 'aptitude reinstall' |
| 16:03.35 | balzac5000 | keith4: I get the same output after purging it: http://pastebin.com/Je6nh5Bq |
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| 16:03.54 | keith4 | interesting |
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| 16:03.59 | keith4 | is this lenny? |
| 16:04.15 | balzac5000 | keith4: Reinstall is a good idea - no joy though http://pastebin.com/D68rT5WR |
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| 16:04.53 | keith4 | can you pastebin the output of 'dpkg -l | grep mysql'? |
| 16:05.04 | balzac5000 | "aptitude autoclean" doesn't seem to make a difference either. I've already restored from backup once, but I still can't log into MySQL |
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| 16:05.29 | balzac5000 | Sure - http://pastebin.com/RRhTwFAg |
| 16:05.30 | balboah | in which way can't you login? since mysql command seemed to work? |
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| 16:05.41 | Horzuh | Is there a safe way to resize my root partition while it is mounted? I assume I need to remount it ro... |
| 16:05.54 | balzac5000 | If I try to log in with the known root password, I and my applications get "access denied" |
| 16:06.09 | keith4 | Horzuh: grow, or shrink? |
| 16:06.14 | Horzuh | Shrink :-( |
| 16:06.17 | keith4 | no |
| 16:06.18 | balzac5000 | I've yet to get any mysql command to work since this started |
| 16:06.22 | Horzuh | Hmm... |
| 16:06.51 | keith4 | balzac5000: wow! this box has been dragged from sarge, through, etch, to lenny? ;-) |
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| 16:07.02 | balzac5000 | keith4: Aye! |
| 16:07.18 | keith4 | impressive |
| 16:07.19 | balzac5000 | (I'm working on a complete rebuild) |
| 16:07.21 | Horzuh | keith4: even if none of the data on the partition is past the first 10% of the drive? |
| 16:07.22 | keith4 | balzac5000: purge libmysqlclient15off, and then install just 'mysql-client' |
| 16:07.33 | keith4 | Horzuh: what fs? |
| 16:07.38 | balzac5000 | keith4: I appreciate the help! |
| 16:07.41 | Horzuh | ext2/3 |
| 16:08.05 | tatave | balzac5000: Any result with mysqld --skip-grant-tables ? |
| 16:08.20 | keith4 | tatave: he's just dealing with the client. server is elsewhere |
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| 16:08.31 | keith4 | Horzuh: iirc, you can hot-grow ext2/3, but not shrink. see the manpage for resize2fs |
| 16:08.36 | balzac5000 | server and client are on the same box |
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| 16:09.03 | Horzuh | That's what I had found. Just making sure there wasn't any wizardry I didn't know about |
| 16:09.03 | keith4 | balzac5000: oh, really? |
| 16:09.18 | balzac5000 | tatave: that allows me to log into mysql (after a full restore) but doesn't solve the aptitude/apt-get issue with the client |
| 16:09.38 | Horzuh | Does the netinst image have resize2fs? |
| 16:09.41 | keith4 | balzac5000: was the server/client installed manually (e.g., not via debian packages?) |
| 16:10.02 | balzac5000 | That's what I ended up doing yesterday to get this going.Since HVAC wasn't fixed this morning I had to power down again last night, and I'm back in the same position. |
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| 16:10.13 | balzac5000 | keith4: NO, everything through aptitude |
| 16:10.27 | folivora | Anyone knows how the wget -R works, I have tried different variations and it is still getting the "blacklisted" stuff.. like wget -R=gif wont work.. Any ideas ? |
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| 16:10.42 | keith4 | balzac5000: then why doesn't 'dpkg -l | grep mysql' show mysql-server being installed? |
| 16:11.31 | balzac5000 | keith4: I uninstalled the server to blow away the databases (since I couldn't log in) so I could restore from backup. I can't reinstall the server because aptitude is upset about the client. |
| 16:11.56 | keith4 | ohhhhh |
| 16:11.59 | balzac5000 | keith4: check it out http://pastebin.com/QCKAVQCU |
| 16:12.10 | balzac5000 | Yeah, goofy. |
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| 16:12.24 | keith4 | I don't actually know much about aptitude. still use apt-get, personally |
| 16:12.38 | keith4 | maybe try that? it sometimes works, iirc, even when aptitude gets stuck |
| 16:13.09 | balzac5000 | I can do a full restore, pull the "--skip-grant-tables" trick, dump all databases and restore from mysqldump... |
| 16:13.13 | keith4 | folivora: just "-R gif" |
| 16:13.33 | balzac5000 | keith4: Yeah, I've seen apt-get do things that aptitude barfs on. Lemme try |
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| 16:14.05 | balzac5000 | Oooo - new message http://pastebin.com/YeyDprPR |
| 16:14.11 | keith4 | balzac5000: it's one of the reasons why the lenny->squeeze upgrade suggests using apt-get, not aptitude, for example |
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| 16:14.39 | balzac5000 | Oh does it? Wow - I thought aptitude was always the preferred version upgrade route |
| 16:14.49 | keith4 | nope |
| 16:14.51 | balzac5000 | Nice to know apt-get can do that now. |
| 16:15.04 | keith4 | balzac5000: odd. can you pastebin your sources.list? |
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| 16:15.31 | keith4 | and also the output of 'apt-cache policy mysql-client-5.0' |
| 16:15.32 | balzac5000 | keith4: Good cal - http://pastebin.com/aZz1gKhc |
| 16:16.01 | zaltekk | i've got a debian 6.0 amd64 dvd that i burned quite a while back. when i try to boot from it, the boot stalls at the blinking carret in hte top left corner |
| 16:16.06 | keith4 | balzac5000: that's it?! |
| 16:16.09 | balzac5000 | adn http://pastebin.com/Ff4w265M |
| 16:16.14 | zaltekk | if i eject the dvd i get a "No Operating System Found" message from the bios. |
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| 16:16.27 | balzac5000 | keith4: that's it. What should it be? |
| 16:16.30 | keith4 | balzac5000: you don't have a main repo entry! |
| 16:16.40 | keith4 | (are you in Germany?) |
| 16:16.41 | zaltekk | the disc drive doesn't spin while it's stalled, though. but the HDD activity light goes the whole time. any ideas what's happening? |
| 16:16.58 | keith4 | zaltekk: did it ever work? |
| 16:17.09 | balzac5000 | Christ. This is what I was using: http://pastebin.com/R5YXVvJ7 but kept getting timeouts |
| 16:17.15 | zaltekk | keith4: i want to say it did...but i may be mistaken. |
| 16:17.21 | zaltekk | keith4: if i mount it everything looks fine. |
| 16:17.40 | keith4 | balzac5000: line 2 is crucial |
| 16:17.51 | balzac5000 | SO that's the main repo |
| 16:17.53 | balzac5000 | ? |
| 16:17.57 | keith4 | "lenny main" |
| 16:18.15 | Justin | zaltekk: verify the dvd in another computer? |
| 16:18.39 | zaltekk | Justin: well, i don't have another machine at my apartment. i'd have to go to campus. |
| 16:18.45 | balzac5000 | The second line in http://pastebin.com/R5YXVvJ7? |
| 16:18.46 | keith4 | zaltekk: it's 6.0? not 6.0.1, 6.0.2, 6.0.3, etc? |
| 16:18.54 | zaltekk | Justin: keith4: is there a way to get the md5 or sha1 sum for the disc? |
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| 16:19.01 | zaltekk | keith4: 6.0.0 afaik |
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| 16:19.15 | Justin | zaltekk: md5sum /dev/cdrom |
| 16:19.17 | keith4 | zaltekk: just toss it, and burn another. or use the netinst image |
| 16:19.30 | Justin | toss the disk before verifying that the disk is even a problem? dumb |
| 16:19.31 | keith4 | but get the latest. 6.0.3 iirc |
| 16:19.35 | zaltekk | Justin: i mean the sum to compare against. |
| 16:19.40 | keith4 | balzac5000: the 2nd one that was commented out |
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| 16:19.50 | zaltekk | Justin: other discs boot fine. |
| 16:19.51 | Justin | zaltekk: just google the md5sum you get, if it's the right one you'll get 500 hits |
| 16:19.57 | zaltekk | Justin: okay. |
| 16:20.01 | balzac5000 | keith4: Gotcha. Let me edit, update and try again. |
| 16:20.09 | folivora | keith4: seems that it wont work when -i option is used. Or ? |
| 16:20.11 | zaltekk | keith4: i might burn another. but in that case i'll need to go to campus or it'll take 2 hours to download. |
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| 16:20.30 | keith4 | zaltekk: netinst image is like 130MB |
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| 16:21.04 | zaltekk | keith4: well, for the DVD. i don't have blank CDs around, so i'd be wasting a DVD with the netinst image. |
| 16:21.32 | Justin | zaltekk: usb? |
| 16:21.34 | keith4 | it'll take a long time to md5 sum an entire DVD |
| 16:21.40 | zaltekk | true. |
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| 16:21.50 | keith4 | balzac5000: if you have trouble with that mirror, just try a different one |
| 16:21.58 | keith4 | like MIT or Lehigh |
| 16:22.10 | zaltekk | Justin: i do have an 8gb usb around...but it's got my roommate's Wii games on it atm. |
| 16:22.22 | zaltekk | i _may_ have a CDRW i can blank and use |
| 16:22.32 | balzac5000 | keith4: I really appreciate your help. I work for a public library and my staff are anxious to have webmail back! |
| 16:22.39 | keith4 | zaltekk: do you have a 2nd debian box? |
| 16:22.53 | keith4 | balzac5000: no problem. your trouble is much more interesting than the work i'm supposed to be doing! ;-) |
| 16:23.08 | zaltekk | keith4: linux, yes. debian, no. well, the same machine i want to install debian on is running linux. |
| 16:23.20 | zaltekk | can't pxeboot |
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| 16:23.48 | zaltekk | disc stopped spinning during md5sum =/ |
| 16:23.56 | keith4 | maybe it's the drive |
| 16:24.14 | Justin | zaltekk: if the machine you want to install linux on already has linux on it, you can use the existing bootloader to load the debian installer |
| 16:24.22 | keith4 | well, if you don't have a blank CD, don't have a working debian DVD, don't have a USB stick to use, might have a bad optical drive, and can't PXE boot... you're running out of options |
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| 16:24.48 | zaltekk | i'm going to try blanking the CD-RW i found |
| 16:24.58 | zaltekk | if it works i'll get the first CD and install from that |
| 16:25.05 | zaltekk | it should only be a 15-20min download |
| 16:25.14 | keith4 | if you had another debian box, you could debootstrap. or PXE boot |
| 16:25.21 | keith4 | just use the netinst image. it's tiny |
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| 16:26.07 | zaltekk | i tried md5sum -c /mnt/md5sum.txt # and it is having errors |
| 16:26.10 | somiaj | zaltekk: do you have another partition on the computer you are using you want to put debian on? You can run debootstrap from any linux distribution. |
| 16:26.15 | zaltekk | so there is definitely a bad disc or drive |
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| 16:27.33 | zaltekk | somiaj: i plan to use lvm(and already am with the old distro). would that work? |
| 16:27.53 | zaltekk | i could create room for an image that won't need to be overritten during the install |
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| 16:28.17 | Dev0n | hey, how would I go about setting up so that everything done on machine x will be tunneld through a ssh connection on machine y? |
| 16:28.33 | Dev0n | this way, it's kinda global and I don't have to configure each app in machine x |
| 16:28.49 | Justin | zaltekk: if you still have the original iso you can also just run cmp -l file.iso /dev/cdrom |
| 16:28.54 | keith4 | Dev0n: um. what's your _actual_ question? |
| 16:29.13 | Dev0n | I want to tunnel all my traffic through machine y |
| 16:29.17 | Dev0n | something like a vpn |
| 16:29.42 | zaltekk | Justin: sadly i don't. but that CD-RW blanked okay, so i'm in the process of downloading CD1 |
| 16:29.42 | somiaj | zaltekk: you could do that, just have to tell debian about your lvm info so when debian boots it can see the partition |
| 16:30.03 | somiaj | zaltekk: so yes you could just create a root partition to put debian on, then use debootstrap to put a base install there (though from there you may have to mess around with getting it to boot) |
| 16:30.15 | keith4 | zaltekk: you're wasting your time downloading a lot of packages you might not want/need. netinst is faster |
| 16:30.33 | Justin | debootsrap overcomplicates things, like I said, you can just boot the debian installer with grub |
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| 16:31.20 | KamZou` | Hi, is there any way to copy all permissions set to a unix user to a group ? |
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| 16:32.12 | keith4 | Dev0n: I still don't understand your question. ssh can tunnel individual ports. a VPN can tunnel all traffic. but it's a complicated topic. |
| 16:32.14 | zaltekk | keith4: it's only got 4 minutes left |
| 16:32.55 | zaltekk | and i don't know that the netinst will have my wifi chipset's drivers |
| 16:33.20 | keith4 | you don't know that cd1 will, either |
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| 16:33.25 | zaltekk | true. |
| 16:33.28 | Dev0n | oh keith4, then I guess I'm looking for a recommened VPN I could use for debian ? |
| 16:33.34 | keith4 | it certainly won't, if it needs binary non-free firmware |
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| 16:34.27 | zaltekk | it needs a blob from intel |
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| 16:35.24 | Justin | there are netinstall images with the non-free firmware already added |
| 16:35.49 | keith4 | !tell Dev0n about vpn |
| 16:35.58 | zaltekk | maybe i'll just stop being lazy and go to campus to get 10gbit access to a mirror |
| 16:37.16 | keith4 | Dev0n: ssh might work for you, depending on what you want to do |
| 16:37.33 | Dev0n | I just want to tunnel all traffic, all ports through another machine |
| 16:37.39 | Dev0n | not a single port |
| 16:38.21 | keith4 | see the -w option in the ssh manpage. it's complicated |
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| 16:38.42 | Dev0n | looking for something simple lol |
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| 16:38.46 | Justin | ssh -D is simple |
| 16:38.57 | Dev0n | can that tunnel everything though ? |
| 16:38.59 | zaltekk | -D requires SOCKS support |
| 16:39.05 | Justin | most apps have socks support |
| 16:39.06 | keith4 | Dev0n: then again, using NAT would also satisfy your vague question ;-) |
| 16:39.14 | zaltekk | but it doesn't force all traffic through it |
| 16:39.17 | Dev0n | I don't want to have to configre each up |
| 16:39.20 | keith4 | you've only told us what you think the solution to your problem is... not what the actual problem is |
| 16:39.22 | Dev0n | like a proxy |
| 16:39.31 | Dev0n | well the problme is, I don't want this ip to be seen |
| 16:39.41 | zaltekk | nat? |
| 16:39.41 | Justin | Dev0n: go read about openvpn then |
| 16:39.54 | Dev0n | nope zach23 |
| 16:39.57 | Dev0n | zaltekk, |
| 16:40.02 | keith4 | openvpn is probably the most "simple" option. but it's still not... simple |
| 16:40.23 | Dev0n | I currently have nginx to do reverse proxy |
| 16:40.28 | Justin | vpn isn't a simple thing in the first place |
| 16:40.30 | Dev0n | but other apps are still using the real ip |
| 16:40.34 | Dev0n | like sending out mail etc |
| 16:41.04 | Dev0n | Justin, is openvpn recommended ? |
| 16:41.22 | keith4 | it would probably be easier to change your network topology than to go from "I think I want a VPN" to setting up OpenVPN |
| 16:41.40 | keith4 | Dev0n: did you read what dpkg wrote at you? |
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| 16:41.53 | Dev0n | yea but I'm not sure which is good to use |
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| 16:42.11 | Dev0n | and heard pptp isn't that good |
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| 16:42.47 | keith4 | pptp is an implementation of Microsoft's ancient/crappy VPN protocol |
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| 16:42.53 | Dev0n | bascially, anything that goes out from the machine x should proxy it using machine y's ip |
| 16:43.03 | tatave | Dev0n: Depends wether your two machines are in the same site or not. |
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| 16:43.10 | Dev0n | different sites tatave |
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| 16:43.17 | keith4 | Dev0n: you've just described NAT ;-) |
| 16:43.38 | tatave | Then whatever tunneling solution is fine (including vpn) |
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| 16:43.59 | Dev0n | ahh cool, but what do you suggest is best to use? |
| 16:44.10 | zaltekk | keith4: he said no to nat. assuming they aren't on hte same network. |
| 16:44.19 | Dev0n | not on the same network |
| 16:44.27 | Dev0n | two different remote servers |
| 16:44.32 | tatave | Dev0n: Security requirement or not (ie encrypted traffic) ? |
| 16:44.56 | judgen | i intend to run debian on my powerbook, how well does debian compare in 3d usage (lets say neverball fps or somesuch) compared to osx. It have an radeon9700m gfx chip. |
| 16:44.57 | Dev0n | security is crucial |
| 16:45.13 | keith4 | give OpenVPN a shot. be prepared to do a lot of reading. |
| 16:45.31 | Dev0n | and that can proxy everything out got from my machine ? |
| 16:45.35 | Dev0n | out going* |
| 16:45.41 | keith4 | not proxy. VPN |
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| 16:46.00 | tatave | With proper routing through your machine, yes. |
| 16:46.03 | keith4 | judgen: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnPowerPC |
| 16:46.24 | Dev0n | hum |
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| 16:46.26 | judgen | vpn=tunnel proxy=well just a proxy |
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| 16:47.24 | Dev0n | data (machine_x_ip) -> data (machine_y) -> internet [ data (machine_y_ip) ] |
| 16:47.36 | smax | dhclient is failing, I know for a fact it's not the server. the server is fine. |
| 16:47.43 | Dev0n | so the end user will see machine y IP no matter what |
| 16:47.47 | Dev0n | but it will be the same data |
| 16:47.51 | keith4 | Dev0n: you're missing a layer in the middle, but that's the idea |
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| 16:48.19 | Dev0n | and that is what openVPN can do and I don't have to configure apps that I use on machine y to use it ? |
| 16:48.27 | Dev0n | err machine x* |
| 16:48.43 | Dev0n | the mail server for example |
| 16:48.52 | keith4 | YES |
| 16:49.00 | keith4 | <keith4> give OpenVPN a shot. be prepared to do a lot of reading. |
| 16:49.21 | Dev0n | thanks, I just wanted to make sure before I spend hours reading and finding out it's the wrong thing for the job :( |
| 16:49.21 | tatave | Dev0n: On machine x, instead of routing through your gateway, you route through your vpn with machine_y |
| 16:49.32 | Dev0n | yea tatave |
| 16:49.35 | Dev0n | that is exactly it |
| 16:49.38 | tatave | And then machine_y does the source nating. |
| 16:49.44 | judgen | keith4: yes i know that site, it did not tell me anything of the performance |
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| 16:49.56 | Dev0n | yea |
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| 16:51.32 | keith4 | judgen: there's probably a debian-ppc mailing list that could provide more info. but if you join #debian-ppc... you'll see why (probably) nobody here knows the exact answer to your question |
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| 16:53.21 | smax | why does linux keep dropping my network connection. |
| 16:53.40 | smax | dhclient fails, i cant even ping the default gateway. |
| 16:53.58 | somiaj | smax: linux or debian? Have you checked dmesg? |
| 16:53.59 | smax | and wtf is a route of 169.255.0.0 doing in my route table |
| 16:54.15 | zaltekk | that means dhclient failed to obtain a lease |
| 16:54.19 | keith4 | 169.0.0.0/8 is self-assigned IP space |
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| 16:54.56 | keith4 | smax: try pluggin in the network cable |
| 16:55.07 | remoteCTRL | hui guys! |
| 16:55.16 | smax | keith4: obviosly it is plugged in if i once had a network connection. |
| 16:55.23 | smax | what do you think is being dropped in the first place. |
| 16:55.30 | keith4 | oh, sorry. my crystal ball is in the shop today |
| 16:55.35 | remoteCTRL | in a dual monitor setup how do I move the "standard" screen, ie. the one that has the menubars to the other monitor? |
| 16:55.45 | keith4 | smax: maybe start here: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 16:55.57 | zaltekk | remoteCTRL: that depends on your window manager |
| 16:56.21 | keith4 | remoteCTRL: in gnome, you can just move the panels to the other screen, for example |
| 16:56.23 | remoteCTRL | zaltekk: gnome it is |
| 16:56.29 | remoteCTRL | you can?? |
| 16:56.38 | remoteCTRL | zaltekk: drag and drop you mean? |
| 16:56.42 | himuraken | remoteCTRL, I did this recently, had to recreate and/or move panels over to what I wanted to be primary. |
| 16:57.11 | remoteCTRL | himuraken: recreate ... well... there's GOTTA be some other way, right? |
| 16:57.19 | smax | turns out /etc/network/interfaces is fricken retarded. I commented everything and now I'm online. |
| 16:57.37 | zaltekk | sounds like you configured it improperly |
| 16:57.39 | himuraken | remoteCTRL, I was thinking so, but it turned out to be faster to recreate for me since I couldnt find a way to simply mark one as primary. |
| 16:57.52 | himuraken | smax, paste your interfaces file. |
| 16:57.54 | smax | errr scratch that. can't ping 192.168.1.1 anymore. GAY. |
| 16:58.01 | smax | himuraken: the default ? |
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| 16:58.15 | gele | hello. |
| 16:58.17 | himuraken | Whatever you claimed was frickin retarded. |
| 16:58.21 | keith4 | remoteCTRL: depending on how you're doing the dual monitors (e.g., nvidia vs ati non-free, vs intel, vs mergefb, etc.), you might also be able to just switch them in the driver/software |
| 16:58.24 | remoteCTRL | himuraken: me neither, i have played around with xorg.conf for 1,5hours now, to absolutely no aval... |
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| 16:58.38 | himuraken | remoteCTRL, LOL just move/recreate the panels and go on. :-) |
| 16:58.43 | remoteCTRL | keith4: unfortunately it is a intel... |
| 16:59.10 | gele | i want to set up a debian system where everything except /boot is encrypted, i can unlock everything with a single password at boot, i want to be able to hibernate, and at the same time i don't want data in swap to be readable after a full reboot. |
| 16:59.19 | keith4 | xrandr can probably do it, too. but it's going to be easier to just move the panels. or switch the video cables ;-) |
| 16:59.19 | remoteCTRL | himuraken: you know what... that idea did not even occur to me but i think that is exactly what i am gonna do now... |
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| 16:59.41 | zaltekk | gele: you can't both destroy swap with encryption and be able to hibernate |
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| 17:00.00 | zaltekk | gele: the only option would be to cat /dev/urandom over swap if you don't hibernate |
| 17:00.02 | remoteCTRL | keith4: switching the video cables is no option, one understands only vga the other only dvi... |
| 17:00.03 | gele | i was thinking that i keep swap in an encrypted partition that gets a new random key at each non-hibernation boot, and that key is stored in the encrypted file system on hibernate and read from it on wakeup. |
| 17:00.12 | gele | zaltekk: wouldn't that method work? |
| 17:00.27 | remoteCTRL | ok guys thanks for your hints, allthough it is a little odd I will do what you recommended! :) |
| 17:00.36 | gele | i'd have to hack the initrd obviously. |
| 17:00.36 | zaltekk | if you modify the boot process to know how to do that, then sure. |
| 17:01.02 | keith4 | remoteCTRL: again, i *think* xrandr can do it with the intel driver... |
| 17:01.05 | gele | are there any conceptual problems with doing it that way? |
| 17:01.12 | zaltekk | i create a /boot and an encrypted lvm with everything, including swap, inside it |
| 17:01.22 | gele | i _think_ it should work, but i haven't actually tried it yet. |
| 17:01.27 | keith4 | remoteCTRL: e.g., see http://intellinuxgraphics.org/dualhead.html |
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| 17:01.37 | blubberdiblub | gele, why not just take a fixed key for the encrypted swap? that's what i do. as long as you keep the key secret and it is sufficiently long, you're pretty safe |
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| 17:01.38 | gele | zaltekk: yes, but then old swapped data can stay around forever. |
| 17:02.10 | blubberdiblub | gele, so what? why does that matter if it's encrypted? |
| 17:02.12 | gele | blubberdiblub: yes, but if someone steals the computer while it's running i don't want old swap to be available. |
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| 17:02.16 | babilen | gele: Why don't you encrypt a single partition, setup LVM with it and have swap there? |
| 17:02.23 | gele | babilen: that's what i have now. |
| 17:02.33 | babilen | What's wrong with that? |
| 17:02.59 | blubberdiblub | gele, if someone steals the computer while it is running, you're borked anyways. then encrypting the partition and/or swap doesn't help you |
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| 17:03.17 | babilen | indeed |
| 17:03.21 | blubberdiblub | gele, unless he/she switches it off before doing anything interesting |
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| 17:03.45 | gele | blubberdiblub: it doesn't help protecting the data that is on the filesystem or in current memory. but randomly encrypted swap does protect data that _has_ been in memory, but isn't anymore. |
| 17:03.46 | babilen | blubberdiblub: Which really wouldn't be the most intelligent thing to do :) |
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| 17:04.20 | gele | e.g. data from previously opened documents that are stored on external storage. |
| 17:04.33 | blubberdiblub | gele, yes, but then you can use a fixed key as well. if he switches the computer off, he can't access what was in swap, since it is encrypted |
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| 17:05.10 | gele | blubberdiblub: yes, of course. if he switches the computer off. |
| 17:05.37 | gele | data from _this_ boot will always be available if you get your hands on a running system. i just don't want data from _earlier_ boots to be available. |
| 17:05.38 | blubberdiblub | gele, if he doesn't switch the computer off, it doesn't matter if you're using a fixed or random key |
| 17:05.52 | zaltekk | don't use swap? |
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| 17:06.14 | gele | zaltekk: that would be the simplest solution, but doesn't work for my case (netbook with tiny ram) |
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| 17:06.39 | zaltekk | cat /dev/urandom as a shutdown step |
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| 17:07.38 | smax | why do I have to reboot to get an IP Address? |
| 17:07.42 | blubberdiblub | gele, i don't see what the problem is with having data from earlier boots available. either you can compromise the system or you can't. having data from earlier boots available will not make any significant difference, imho |
| 17:07.47 | smax | why can't dhclient just work? |
| 17:08.03 | remoteCTRL | keith4: thanks but thoye xrandr commands are basically what I tried to set in xorg.conf...:/ |
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| 17:09.18 | smax | I have tried with 2 routers, and debain has failed to get an ip address. |
| 17:09.23 | smax | unless if I reboot. |
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| 17:09.54 | zaltekk | smax: how are you trying to use the network? |
| 17:10.00 | smax | dhclient. |
| 17:10.15 | smax | plug in ethernet cable, in the ethernet port. type dhclient. |
| 17:10.26 | zaltekk | ... |
| 17:10.28 | smax | err dhclient eth0 |
| 17:10.32 | zaltekk | gotta bring up eth0 |
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| 17:10.35 | keith4 | smax: you didn't read my link |
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| 17:11.38 | smax | keith4: your link doesn't have an answer/excuse to my problem. link fail. |
| 17:11.43 | sigmonsay | how do I force remove a package? Nothing depends on it but it depends on a non-existent package. Its only half installed |
| 17:12.11 | zaltekk | smax: ifup eth0 |
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| 17:12.57 | smax | I can dhclient to it once, then the connection gets dropped. so the link has been up. |
| 17:13.12 | zaltekk | did you kill the old dhclient? |
| 17:13.27 | zaltekk | and if it disconnects the link may go down |
| 17:13.29 | smax | yes i killed their PIDs |
| 17:13.35 | smax | the router is fine. |
| 17:13.38 | keith4 | smax: no, but it tells you how to ask a question like a smart person, so that people will actually be able to help you, instead of taking stabs in the dark |
| 17:13.41 | zaltekk | and if it disconnects the link may go down |
| 17:13.46 | smax | these routers are fresh out of the box. |
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| 17:14.56 | remoteCTRL1 | ok, guys, now I am attempting to create panels on the other monitor, I just dunno how? :D |
| 17:16.43 | smax | keith4: I know it's a linux failure becuase someone else has a windows laptop plugged in to the router and can connect to it just fine. this is a fresh debian install. |
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| 17:17.32 | gele | also, without swap i couldn't hibernate. |
| 17:17.45 | keith4 | smax: I guess you should switch to Windows, then |
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| 17:17.59 | keith4 | or call Comcast and ask for help |
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| 17:18.40 | r15 | hi, i am trying to share a nfs export with nfs version 4, however client is getting error No such file or directory, same thing working fine if i don't use mount -t nfs4 option. |
| 17:18.57 | smax | keith4: I would like an excuse for such failure. |
| 17:19.00 | remoteCTRL1 | ok guys this is not a joke question: how do i create a panle on an empty screen? according to http://live.gnome.org/GnomePanel i is: "Right click in the desktop and create a launcher to execute "gnome-panel"." |
| 17:19.06 | remoteCTRL1 | which of course does not work |
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| 17:19.35 | VladimirZ | how to enable mod_proxy on debian |
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| 17:19.47 | r15 | on debian lenny, nfsstat shows version 4. |
| 17:19.52 | keith4 | VladimirZ: a2enmod proxy |
| 17:19.58 | keith4 | remoteCTRL: you... deleted all of your panels? |
| 17:20.01 | VladimirZ | keith4: ty |
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| 17:20.56 | remoteCTRL1 | keith4: hell no i didn't! |
| 17:20.57 | keith4 | smax: you haven't provided nearly enough information for anyone to help you. you can start by putting the entirety of dmesg in a pastebin |
| 17:21.12 | remoteCTRL1 | keith4: is that a prerequisite? |
| 17:21.17 | keith4 | no |
| 17:21.23 | keith4 | just right-click on an existing panel and select "new panel" |
| 17:21.44 | blubberdiblub | r15, you may have to change your /etc/exports. "man 5 exports" and grep for "fsid" |
| 17:21.44 | remoteCTRL1 | keith4: i also did that, but then the panel is on the same screen |
| 17:21.56 | remoteCTRL1 | i need it to be on the other one :D |
| 17:21.57 | keith4 | so drag it to the other one |
| 17:22.12 | remoteCTRL1 | keith4: how do you possibly drag a panel? |
| 17:22.40 | keith4 | remoteCTRL: you can't drag it? odd |
| 17:22.57 | remoteCTRL1 | keith4: geeezus age kreyst!!! |
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| 17:23.16 | remoteCTRL1 | you need to remove the "expand" option in order to have the bar draggable |
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| 17:23.35 | keith4 | remoteCTRL: ah, that'd do it |
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| 17:24.50 | remoteCTRL1 | keith4: NOW it worked |
| 17:24.55 | remoteCTRL1 | can you believe it?? |
| 17:25.01 | Iridos | I can |
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| 17:25.03 | Iridos | just tried that |
| 17:25.09 | remoteCTRL1 | takes 5 ppl and one it technician to fix this :D |
| 17:26.03 | keith4 | remoteCTRL: I guess I haven't moved any panels in... years. didn't need to do that last time I tried ;-) |
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| 17:31.35 | keith4 | remoteCTRL: actually, that's probably not true. but it's not the sort of thing you do more than once per major version upgrade/reinstall... so you can't expect us to remember details like that ;-) |
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| 17:31.36 | r15 | blubberdiblub: fsid not found in man 5 exports |
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| 17:31.36 | r15 | i am using debian lenny, 5.0.8 |
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| 17:32.51 | keith4 | r15: what man 5? |
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| 17:32.54 | keith4 | *why man 5? |
| 17:32.56 | blubberdiblub | r15, well, lenny is quite some time ago for me, sorry. but in a nutshell, when using nfs4, you need to define a path that is the root of all other exported paths. that's done by specifying a path (like /) with option fsid=0 |
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| 17:33.22 | keith4 | r15: http://pastebin.com/bhdkQ8gm |
| 17:33.59 | blubberdiblub | keith4, it's in man group 5. it may be unnecessary to specify it if there are no collisions, but i prefer giving that number and not risk sending him to a wrong manpage ;) |
| 17:34.06 | woshty | what ways are there to monitor a directory for changes to files? |
| 17:34.16 | keith4 | woshty: famd? |
| 17:34.20 | keith4 | blubberdiblub: fair 'nuff |
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| 17:34.41 | keith4 | blubberdiblub: also... it's there ;-) |
| 17:34.59 | woshty | keith4: anything else? |
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| 17:35.39 | keith4 | woshty: inotify? |
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| 17:36.51 | r15 | blubberdiblub/keith: man exports | grep fsid exits with 1 |
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| 17:37.25 | blubberdiblub | r15, it may not be there in lenny. i don't know |
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| 17:37.36 | r15 | apropos fsid is also nothing. |
| 17:37.39 | keith4 | r15: uh... are you using the nfs kernel server? or the userspace one? |
| 17:37.56 | r15 | keith4: now using userspace one. |
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| 17:38.14 | keith4 | ah. that... probably changes everything |
| 17:38.30 | woshty | keith4: never knowingly used something like that before. i want run a script every n minutes and only do sth if files in a certain dir have changed in the last n mins. |
| 17:38.34 | keith4 | blubberdiblub: it's there in the kernel server ;-) |
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| 17:39.08 | keith4 | woshty: oh, if you don't want near-real-time notification... you can just cron a script to look for new files with 'find' |
| 17:39.24 | blubberdiblub | keith4, oh, okay. wasn't aware that he isn't using the userspace variety |
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| 17:39.35 | blubberdiblub | keith4, s/isn't/is/ |
| 17:39.50 | woshty | keith4: you are right, didnt think of that |
| 17:40.00 | arietis | hello, can anyone suggest any web file browser packages for debian? |
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| 17:40.40 | arietis | like ajaxplorer or something |
| 17:40.59 | keith4 | woshty: check out incron, though |
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| 17:41.14 | xingu | woshty: rather than banging your filesystem every ${interval}, take a look at inotify(7) |
| 17:41.31 | izz_ | hey guys, I'm having some serious issues trying to create a bootable usb from netinstall iso, in os x |
| 17:41.34 | gele | arietis: How does a web file browser differ from the ordinary file listing you get in e.g. Apache when you don't have an index page? |
| 17:41.41 | r15 | keith4: just install nfs-kernel-server, checking now. |
| 17:41.50 | arietis | gele: i don't have apache installed on the system |
| 17:42.03 | xingu | woshty: there's a cli implementation of it in inotify-tools |
| 17:42.07 | izz_ | it's a intel mac mini, and whichever guide I follow, the mac never recognized the usb at boot when holding alt key |
| 17:42.27 | keith4 | arietis: okay.. how is that different from putting file:/// into a web browser? |
| 17:42.32 | izz_ | right now I just erase it, and then dd the (converted from iso to dmg) iso file |
| 17:42.39 | keith4 | xingu: that's what incron is, fwiw |
| 17:43.01 | xingu | keith4: cool. |
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| 17:43.18 | izz_ | I also tried to extract what seems to be an "inner iso" from the iso, which makes it recognizeable in os x |
| 17:43.28 | izz_ | but after dd:ing that one, still not recognized at boot |
| 17:43.31 | arietis | keith4: i'm working with remote file server |
| 17:44.04 | r15 | blubberdiblub/keith: Thanks, it' working now. |
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| 17:44.31 | gele | arietis: A remote file server using what protocol? |
| 17:44.36 | VladimirZ | how to load the mod_proxy_html module |
| 17:44.46 | arietis | so far it supports AFP protocol only and i want to get access to it from web browser on my desktop aswell |
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| 17:44.52 | jhutchins_lt | izz_: What image are you using, and how are you applying it to the drive? |
| 17:45.01 | keith4 | arietis: you... are confused |
| 17:45.27 | keith4 | arietis: you either need to have a web server on the other end, or mount the AFP share locally |
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| 17:45.42 | pingveno | I'm trying to find the original code for Debian's pycairo package. The package's code, not the project's code. Where is it located? |
| 17:46.22 | keith4 | pingveno: what pycairo package? |
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| 17:46.34 | izz_ | jhutchins_lt: I'm using debian-6.0.3-i386-netinst.iso, and copying it according to this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/How%20to%20install%20Ubuntu%20on%20MacBook%20using%20USB%20Stick |
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| 17:47.30 | gele | pingveno: You can get the source package for any Debian package using apt-get. |
| 17:47.32 | jhutchins_lt | Tell izz_ about ig |
| 17:48.19 | r15 | keith4: i want to share only /dump with nfs4, i gave / for test (it works but also shares other mount points too). |
| 17:48.29 | jhutchins_lt | izz_: If you are using a linux system debian recommends using cat to apply the image. |
| 17:48.40 | gele | pingveno: 'apt-get source python-cairo' should probably do it. |
| 17:48.52 | jhutchins_lt | izz_: have you been able to boot to any other live images? |
| 17:49.02 | gele | (assuming you have source mirrors set up in your APT settings) |
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| 17:49.42 | izz_ | jhutchins_lt: I'm using os x, but I can try using cat also. I have been able to usb boot an os x installation.. |
| 17:49.43 | blubberdiblub | r15, put only /dump into /etc/exports and use the option fsid=0 with that path |
| 17:50.48 | jhutchins_lt | izz_: There is a lot of good information about installing Debian on macs, using Ubuntu guides is likely to lead you astray. |
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| 17:51.13 | arietis | keith4: is there any package i could install to get web file manager with apache working already? |
| 17:51.42 | r15 | blubberdiblub: /dump *(fsid=0,no_subtree_check,rw,sync,no_root_squash,insecure) |
| 17:52.05 | jhutchins_lt | arietis: ssh is the best way to manage files over the network. |
| 17:52.11 | blubberdiblub | r15, and then don't forget to use exportfs with the corresponding options to tell the nfs server about the changes |
| 17:52.37 | r15 | exportfs -r i did |
| 17:52.42 | arietis | jhutchins_lt: i wanna be able to download file, i can't do it thru ssh |
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| 17:52.54 | gele | arietis: sshfs is nice. |
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| 17:53.11 | jhutchins_lt | arietis: Sure you can, you use scp. |
| 17:54.05 | arietis | jhutchins_lt: oh, ok, thanks |
| 17:54.14 | blubberdiblub | r15, if it doesn't suffice, try "exportfs -a -u ; exportfs -a" |
| 17:54.32 | gele | arietis: 'sshfs remote_host:remote_path mountpoint' |
| 17:54.52 | gele | then you can use your web browser or whatever file manager you like to browse 'mountpoint'. |
| 17:55.00 | arietis | gele: doesn't work in windows i suppose |
| 17:55.21 | gele | not unless the server has SSH with SCP installed. |
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| 17:57.10 | r15 | blubberdiblub: on nfs client i used nfs-server/ /mount-point, its working now, thanks. |
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| 17:57.28 | jhutchins_lt | gele: Which end is windows? The putty project has a windows client that works with scp. |
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| 17:57.44 | r15 | mount -t nfs4 nfs-server-ip:/ /mount_point |
| 17:58.10 | gele | jhutchins: i assumed the client end was debian, since he was asking about file browsers in this channel. |
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| 17:58.42 | nsadmin | what's nfs4? |
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| 18:00.01 | r15 | nsadmin: nfs protocol version. |
| 18:00.11 | zaltekk | looks like my installation problem was just bad media |
| 18:00.33 | nsadmin | how is it different from -t nfs? |
| 18:00.37 | awaxa | anyone know an elegant way to do this: i want to tell date "show me the date of: 1 day before 2011-01-01" ... so that would read 2010-12-31; would make this log processing script much easier to write |
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| 18:01.04 | r15 | blubberdiblub: what if we have to share /dump1 and /dump2? showmount -e from client is showing both the directories, now how to mount /dump2 in this case? |
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| 18:02.11 | r15 | i will check again, thanks for the help and patience. |
| 18:02.29 | blubberdiblub | r15, make / as fsid=0 and restrict access there somehow. maybe with all_squash |
| 18:02.45 | nsadmin | awaxa, multiply 60 secs/min * 60 mins/hour * 24 hrs/day to find the constant secs/day, have date tell you time in secs since 1/1/70, subtract secs/day, feed that to date |
| 18:02.48 | blubberdiblub | r15, and then just add the other paths without fsid= |
| 18:02.52 | kl4m | awaxa: `/bin/date -d '1 day ago' +%Y-%m-%d` |
| 18:03.11 | nsadmin | ohh, that's smarter |
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| 18:04.23 | awaxa | what i need really is `date -d '2011-01-01' -d '1 day ago'` |
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| 18:04.49 | awaxa | but that option doesn't work twice of course |
| 18:04.54 | nsadmin | that's a constant |
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| 18:05.06 | nsadmin | 2010-12-31 |
| 18:05.13 | nsadmin | every time for all time |
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| 18:05.30 | awaxa | im writing a script, these are just examples for the dates |
| 18:05.42 | awaxa | my goal is to not have to write month handling code into this script and whatnot |
| 18:05.54 | kl4m | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:06.24 | kl4m | 'date' is pretty liberal in its input :) |
| 18:06.31 | awaxa | kl4m, THANKS!!!!! that's exactly it!!!! |
| 18:06.31 | nsadmin | does any of this have to do with dates in say postgres |
| 18:06.32 | nsadmin | ? |
| 18:06.56 | awaxa | not postgres, apache/similar CLF logs |
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| 18:07.04 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 18:07.29 | nsadmin | (if it were a database, then I would advise you to allow the database to do ALL date arithmetic) |
| 18:07.30 | NikLP | having trouble finding something current re installing memcache(d) - is there a stable/adequate version in the contrib, and if so which ? I see people talk of php5-memcache and memcached and not sure of differences |
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| 18:08.21 | blubberdiblub | r15, like so, only with your own options and paths: http://paste.debian.net/149124/ |
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| 18:09.15 | kl4m | awaxa: I never even read the date specification. I know it's somewhere but I just guess at the syntax it will accept :) |
| 18:09.27 | awaxa | kl4m, you really saved the day for me here at work, i appreciate it so much. my whole team is blown away to learn this |
| 18:10.21 | ubuh-huntuh | how do i get rsyslogd to display messages coming from remote hosts faster for testing purposes? (willing to "hack" a little if necessary :) |
| 18:10.22 | nsadmin | you (and your team) would then be equally surprised at how each command does its thing well and how it allows stuff :) |
| 18:11.00 | nsadmin | well the date spec would be in man date |
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| 18:11.38 | nsadmin | ubuh-huntuh that depends on why it's not fast now |
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| 18:12.17 | ubuh-huntuh | nsadmin: i think it's intentionally slow for messages coming from remote hosts as an attempt to prevent flooding |
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| 18:12.55 | kl4m | nsadmin: I see now, the date spec is in the `info date` instead of the man |
| 18:13.13 | kl4m | Maybe I'll read it someday :) |
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| 18:13.23 | prometheanfire | how do I get aptitude to not pop up the config dialog on install (for something like postfix)? |
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| 18:13.52 | ehazlett | greetings... i'm using live-build to create a wheezy live cd -- but the installer won't work -- it's says it's using an older kernel... is there a way to force it to use the wheezy one? |
| 18:13.55 | nsadmin | if that's the case (I'd suggest you verify that first), then you would first need to identify the mechanism that slows things down and find out if it can be influences, say by config files or by commandline options |
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| 18:15.08 | nsadmin | "it_1's says it_2's using an older kernel" <-- what is it_1 and it_2? |
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| 18:16.35 | nsadmin | ehazlett also is there not a wheezy live cd? |
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| 18:16.52 | nsadmin | !wayttd ehazlett |
| 18:16.52 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, ehazlett? |
| 18:17.29 | ehazlett | nsadmin: the gui installer in the live environment states that the installer kernel is 2.6.32 which doesn't match the live environment (3.x) |
| 18:17.38 | ehazlett | dpkg: create a custom wheezy live cd |
| 18:17.38 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, ehazlett |
| 18:17.44 | ehazlett | dpkg, np |
| 18:17.45 | dpkg | np is probably "no problem", or "null pointer", or "no pants", or non-deterministically polynomial, or ¡ningún problema!, or "Now Playing", an abbreviation used by those lame mIRC/WinAmp plugins |
| 18:18.05 | ubuh-huntuh | nsadmin: i have been reading the docs, not seeing anything so far |
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| 18:19.55 | nsadmin | why custom? (and I'm pouring coffee and stuff... hold a moment unless you want others besides me which you probably do) |
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| 18:21.59 | nodiscc | dpkg, ducks |
| 18:22.00 | dpkg | ducks are the retarded cousin of penguins, or yummy if prepared well |
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| 18:22.42 | breardo | hello al |
| 18:22.44 | breardo | all |
| 18:22.56 | breardo | whats the proper method of writing files for init.d ? |
| 18:23.06 | breardo | is there a generator of some kind, or do they need to be hand-crafted |
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| 18:23.37 | blubberdiblub | breardo, handcrafted. you can use /etc/init.d/skeleton as template |
| 18:23.42 | simonlnu | /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 18:23.45 | breardo | ahhh.. awesome.. didnt even know that |
| 18:23.47 | breardo | thanks :) |
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| 18:26.37 | nsadmin | breardo, hand crafted, but there are helpers like start-stop-daemon (a debianism) |
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| 18:27.24 | nimbius | hi debian, weird question. im trying to run whois against .XXX domains and getting nothing... |
| 18:27.24 | nsadmin | you can also look at the other scripts in /etc/init.d as well as README in the same dir |
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| 18:27.49 | nsadmin | ...and the question is? |
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| 18:28.09 | nimbius | .xxx is a tld, whois should as a command work. |
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| 18:28.21 | nimbius | whois google.xxx |
| 18:28.21 | nimbius | No whois server is known for this kind of object. |
| 18:28.56 | nsadmin | so you need a whois server that understands .xxx and that server would need to be specified on the whois command line |
| 18:29.47 | nimbius | is there a default configuration file i can specify for it? whois for .com .net and .org are all natively understood |
| 18:30.07 | nsadmin | -maybe- the whois db for .xxx is not set up yet... that's not probable tho |
| 18:30.07 | jhutchins | nsadmin: I'd say it's likely |
| 18:30.36 | nsadmin | jhutchins, .xxx is that new? |
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| 18:30.56 | gio74 | ciao |
| 18:31.05 | dwfreed | nsadmin: certainly; ICANN only just started accepting registrations for it |
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| 18:31.15 | nsadmin | ohh |
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| 18:31.31 | nimbius | i can check and see when .xxx went live |
| 18:31.48 | nimbius | i just know but until about a week ago it was a limited and highly expensive offering. |
| 18:32.02 | gio74 | michel telo' |
| 18:32.16 | nsadmin | so, nimbius, existing whois configs don't have .xxx, so you're going to have to find a server (assuming that's running yet) |
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| 18:32.40 | nsadmin | err, existing whois -client- configs |
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| 18:33.49 | nimbius | ok. is the whois authority a compiled property or something i can specify in a config on the whois client? |
| 18:33.55 | nimbius | /etc/whois.conf |
| 18:34.59 | nimbius | er nm |
| 18:35.03 | nimbius | just answered my own question :\ |
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| 18:35.31 | nsadmin | man whois should have a FILES section |
| 18:35.43 | nsadmin | for me /etc/whois.conf doesn't exist |
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| 18:38.37 | spacedust | what is the minimal hdd size that is needed for debian ? |
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| 18:38.41 | spacedust | installing it on virtualbox |
| 18:39.34 | jordanm | spacedust: depends on what you want installed. a base system will fit on 300MB or so, but isn't very useful without installing what you need on top |
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| 18:40.27 | spacedust | jordanm: then 1-2gb is enough right ? i dont need no X |
| 18:40.32 | kl4m | an install with just 'base utilities' here is about 750MB. Add some space to be able to actually do something with it |
| 18:40.44 | kl4m | so maybe 1.5GB |
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| 18:41.05 | jordanm | spacedust: virtualbox supports a dynamically growing HDD. meaning you can set it to 20GB, but it isn't going to consume 20GB of space on the host node until that much space is used |
| 18:41.06 | spacedust | i gave it 2gb :) dont have too much space at hand ; thanks guys |
| 18:41.19 | Tekk_ | I installed debian gnu/hurd on another partition and it's not being picked up by update-grub. I'm using wheezy, anyone have any ideas? |
| 18:41.21 | spacedust | for some odd reason i like it fixed size |
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| 18:44.18 | spacedust | and i can use netinst.iso for a minimal setup ? |
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| 18:44.36 | jordanm | yes |
| 18:45.58 | blubberdiblub | Tekk_, have you installed the package os-prober? |
| 18:46.09 | spacedust | is it worth playing with the grafical installer ? |
| 18:46.27 | jordanm | never used it |
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| 18:46.35 | Tekk_ | blubberdiblub: think so, I should probably double check |
| 18:47.08 | Tekk_ | ah, no |
| 18:47.17 | Tekk_ | blubberdiblub: thanks, I always think that's installed by default |
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| 18:56.30 | izz_ | trying to install debian on an mac mini with a usb keyboard |
| 18:56.44 | izz_ | have managed to boot iso cd, and get the debian install screen |
| 18:57.03 | izz_ | however, my keyboard is not working, and I cannot choose Install from the menu, to get started |
| 18:57.06 | izz_ | any ideas? |
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| 18:57.37 | Alpha-Omega | anyone know where I can get the headtracking plugin for compiz? |
| 18:57.55 | VladimirZ | apache2-ssl-certificate: command not found |
| 18:58.02 | VladimirZ | how to get this command working ? |
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| 19:00.05 | ompaul | VladimirZ: apt-get install apache2 openssl |
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| 19:00.47 | VladimirZ | ompaul: is already the newest version. |
| 19:00.54 | VladimirZ | for both packages |
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| 19:01.27 | ompaul | VladimirZ: ^^ |
| 19:01.31 | ompaul | as root would be good |
| 19:01.41 | VladimirZ | No such file or directory |
| 19:01.48 | VladimirZ | I'm using root |
| 19:02.13 | ompaul | VladimirZ: what version of debian? |
| 19:02.32 | VladimirZ | squeeze |
| 19:02.57 | ompaul | Im not in a building with squeeze atm so I can't check further |
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| 19:03.08 | ompaul | runs sid on laptop |
| 19:03.35 | ompaul | not a good idea unless you don't care about the box and you are interested in looking at bugs if they occur |
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| 19:06.38 | Alpha-Omega | how can I get the headtracking plugin for compiz? |
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| 19:07.40 | blawiz | how can one use the keyboard as a mouse? google tells me shift-num-lock should activate the keypad to work as mouse, but does not work. |
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| 19:14.26 | johnnyjet | Hi everybody, How can I know the /dev/ file attached to my usb mass storage device ? |
| 19:14.27 | EdePopede | what programs are there in debian to set time from a ntp server in the internet? |
| 19:14.31 | l1t_ | how do I check to see if my webcam is working in debian? |
| 19:14.43 | johnnyjet | lsusb says : Bus 001 device 003 |
| 19:15.02 | jordanm | !tell EdePopede about ntp |
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| 19:15.36 | EdePopede | /dev/disk has some subfolders |
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| 19:16.05 | robokop | johnnyjet: look at the lines appearing in dmesg after attaching the device |
| 19:16.34 | blawiz | EdePopede, you can make a cron-job ... mine is : sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 19:16.39 | VladimirZ | how do I disable default virtual host |
| 19:17.02 | blawiz | EdePopede, sudo apt-get install ntpdate |
| 19:17.02 | johnnyjet | robokop: ok it says usb device number 3.. etc.. usb-storage 1-2:1.0 |
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| 19:17.36 | jordanm | blawiz: ntpd -q should generally be used instead of ntpdate |
| 19:17.48 | EdePopede | blawiz: i just heard of ntpdate some minutes ago. hat nntpd on my suse for years and someone mentioned chrony these days. only chrony does nothing |
| 19:18.07 | Justin | EdePopede: nntpd is a news server |
| 19:18.08 | blubberdiblub | VladimirZ, in apache? "a2dissite 000-default" |
| 19:18.15 | EdePopede | ntpd |
| 19:18.21 | EdePopede | i am not a typer |
| 19:18.32 | Justin | EdePopede: just 'apt-get install ntp' and move on |
| 19:18.43 | EdePopede | and this does what exactly? |
| 19:18.51 | jelly-home | right, ntp is the same thing you had on EdePopede, the daemon |
| 19:18.58 | jelly-home | on suse* |
| 19:19.01 | Justin | EdePopede: it "set time from a ntp server in the internet?" |
| 19:19.02 | EdePopede | oh. there is a REAL npt pack |
| 19:19.25 | johnnyjet | robokop: problem solved, thank you |
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| 19:20.01 | VladimirZ | blubberdiblub: the problem is when I use example.com it goes to the same page as something.example.com |
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| 19:20.20 | VladimirZ | I want to make if someone access example.com he should not get any website |
| 19:20.28 | EdePopede | so why chrony then? |
| 19:20.48 | EdePopede | btw, why do i need a daemon? crionjob should do? |
| 19:21.00 | EdePopede | start, ask, set, quit |
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| 19:22.47 | janis | hi guys! How do I compile linux-image-2.6.32-5-dbg? I did apt-get source blahblah but it complains: Picking 'linux-2.6' as source package instead of 'linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64-dbg' |
| 19:22.59 | l1t_ | Has anyone set up a webcam in debian before? |
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| 19:24.35 | janis | l1t_, just plug it in :) |
| 19:25.04 | blawiz | l1t_, and test it with the webcam package |
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| 19:26.12 | l1t_ | Whats the webcam package? |
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| 19:26.34 | nardev | why does lsof -i:80 | wc always shows more open/active files than ps aux | grepa apache | wc ? |
| 19:27.00 | cahoot | l1t_, cheese (IIRC) |
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| 19:28.22 | gele | janis: all different types of kernels and kernel-related binaries are built from the same source package. |
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| 19:29.12 | l1t_ | cahoot: It's segmentation faulting when I run cheese lol. Do I have to find it in the program menus or something? Btw I ran it with sudo and gksudo all segementation faulted |
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| 19:30.29 | l1t_ | Yeah its crashing from the menu when I run it as well |
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| 19:31.25 | cahoot | l1t_, what kind of debian do you run? |
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| 19:32.18 | l1t_ | cahoot: Linux version 2.6.32-5-686 (Debian 2.6.32-38) |
| 19:32.25 | l1t_ | squeeze |
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| 19:38.54 | nodiscc | l1t_: keep in mind that all webcams are not supported out of the box. Mine is a logitech quickcam, I had to compile the kernel modules for it |
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| 19:40.35 | cahoot | but I doubt that would explain cheese segfaulting |
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| 19:42.32 | EdePopede | what does ntp make superior to ntpdate? if there is no use for ntpdate, why is there a package? |
| 19:43.28 | jordanm | EdePopede: ntp keeps the time in sync. ntpdate causes the time to "jump" which causes issues in some applications. ntpdate has been around longer than ntpd also included ntpdate functionality |
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| 19:44.26 | EdePopede | ok, a few secs each day. so cron.hourly should be enough for a desktop pc |
| 19:44.48 | dondelelcaro | EdePopede: even for a desktop pc, you'd just run ntp |
| 19:45.24 | EdePopede | Di 13. Dez 20:45:14 CET 2011 |
| 19:45.33 | EdePopede | chrony after just a few days |
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| 19:45.42 | xingu | !tell EdePopede about ntpdate |
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| 19:45.46 | dondelelcaro | yes, your clock is off by 10 seconds |
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| 19:46.03 | dondelelcaro | Tue Dec 13 11:46:03 PST 2011 |
| 19:46.06 | EdePopede | i know. chrony doesnt seem to make anything at all |
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| 19:46.59 | EdePopede | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.15 | supersux | Hi, can someone help me identify this problem, OSS4 osstest runs fine, audio files play fine, but i get no audio in browsers, flash or html5 :( |
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| 19:48.05 | blubberdiblub | EdePopede, if you use make and happen to hit a time when ntpdate happens to set time backwards, you may experience strange problems (that's just an example, there can be more problems of course) |
| 19:48.05 | xingu | EdePopede: upstream. |
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| 19:49.48 | supersux | hm, looks like browsers are trying to play audio via ALSA which does not exist anymore. |
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| 19:55.47 | blubberdiblub | what do you mean "does not exist anymore"? it exists here and my browser plays sounds successfully via alsa |
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| 19:56.14 | supersux | i uninstalled alsa in favor of oss4 |
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| 19:56.33 | blubberdiblub | ah, i see |
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| 20:03.04 | DC1 | COuld anyone help out with a raid array issue |
| 20:03.05 | DC1 | ? |
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| 20:03.35 | DC1 | https://gist.github.com/6fbebce602c8a698c78d |
| 20:04.05 | Justin | supersux: maybe you should not have done that :) |
| 20:04.26 | supersux | Is firefox compuled with alsa? does that mean i need to recompile it with oss or something? |
| 20:04.34 | supersux | Justin: maybe, but i did! :) |
| 20:05.18 | Justin | DC1: what issue? |
| 20:05.38 | DC1 | failing hard drive we think? |
| 20:05.48 | DC1 | here is the log |
| 20:05.49 | DC1 | https://gist.github.com/6fbebce602c8a698c78d |
| 20:05.56 | Justin | DC1: failed drive. |
| 20:06.06 | DC1 | which one? |
| 20:06.16 | Justin | DC1: if you looked at dmesg and or kern.log you would see |
| 20:06.33 | DC1 | ok |
| 20:06.35 | DC1 | thx! |
| 20:06.37 | Justin | DC1: the one it is telling you, ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0 |
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| 20:07.31 | DC1 | COuld be connector or RIAD card or overheating or bad HD or ... |
| 20:07.36 | DC1 | right |
| 20:07.44 | DC1 | ? |
| 20:07.57 | Justin | yes, there are lots of reasons |
| 20:08.09 | DC1 | ok thank you Justin |
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| 20:12.28 | EdePopede | is there a reason why in dpkg-query -L /etc comes last, breaking alphabet sorting? |
| 20:12.47 | Justin | EdePopede: who cares? |
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| 20:12.57 | blubberdiblub | EdePopede, it's never really sorted. just pipe the output through sort |
| 20:14.03 | supersux | Is there any browser compiled with oss4 support natively in debian repos? |
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| 20:17.54 | hanasaki | what would you recommend to see get the eth0 controller working? it does show up in lspci / ifconfig eth0 up fails |
| 20:18.52 | GNU\colossus | hanasaki, maybe it requires non-free firmware |
| 20:19.06 | GNU\colossus | what does `lspci -k` say about its driver? |
| 20:19.07 | hanasaki | it is a realtek chip |
| 20:19.38 | hanasaki | RTL 8139 / driver in use 8139cp |
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| 20:24.30 | kalib | Hi people I got this error trying to install mysql: |
| 20:24.38 | kalib | invoke-rc.d: initscript gpm, action "restart" failed. dpkg: error processing gpm (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 20:24.39 | kalib | any suggestion? |
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| 20:24.46 | zaltekk | is there a reason no backports of firefox exist? |
| 20:25.06 | zaltekk | it seems like just about every plugin i use wants 3.6 or greater |
| 20:25.07 | nkuttler | zaltekk: firefox isn't in debian. check iceweasel |
| 20:25.14 | zaltekk | nkuttler: i checked iceweasel |
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| 20:25.32 | nkuttler | !mdb |
| 20:25.33 | dpkg | MDB is the native file format used by the Microsoft Access RDBMS products prior to Access 2007 (Access 97: Jet 3; Access 2000/2002: Jet 4). On Debian systems, the mdbtools package provides utilities for reading MDB files (http://sf.net/projects/mdbtools/). |
| 20:25.35 | nkuttler | ergh |
| 20:25.39 | nkuttler | !mdn |
| 20:25.39 | dpkg | Backports of the Iceweasel web browser and Icedove mail client are not available from <debian backports>. See http://mozilla.debian.net/ for newer Iceweasel and Icedove for squeeze, wheezy or sid. Work continues to get the packages into the official archive without breaking too many other xul-using applications. Also ask me about <transition>, <squeeze-backports>, <testing>. |
| 20:26.00 | zaltekk | ah |
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| 20:26.21 | nkuttler | kalib: are you on testing/unstable? |
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| 20:27.10 | nkuttler | kalib: actually, please bastebin the command you used and the full output |
| 20:27.24 | nkuttler | s/bastebin/pastebin/ |
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| 20:27.41 | kalib | nkuttler, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 \n \l |
| 20:27.44 | kalib | just a second.. |
| 20:27.51 | kalib | I'll pastebin it |
| 20:27.57 | dekyos | what's up peeps |
| 20:28.54 | kalib | nkuttler, http://pastebin.com/a2zgxvK1 |
| 20:29.26 | kalib | nkuttler, and trying to restart gpm by /etc/init.d/gpm restart I got.. |
| 20:29.50 | kalib | http://pastebin.com/xVicuUX6 |
| 20:30.16 | nkuttler | kalib: gpm isn't configured, it's init script fails, and this has nothing to do with mysql |
| 20:30.28 | nkuttler | kalib: it's postinst script is in /var/lib/dpkg/info/.. fix it |
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| 20:30.56 | kalib | nkuttler, any tip on how to fix it? |
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| 20:31.21 | nkuttler | kalib: well, check why gpm can't be restarted |
| 20:31.38 | nkuttler | haven't used gpm in ages |
| 20:31.47 | nkuttler | if you don't need it just remove it i guess |
| 20:31.50 | kalib | ok.. |
| 20:31.55 | kalib | just a last question... |
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| 20:32.15 | kalib | for example.. let's suppose that I did run: apt-get intall XYZ |
| 20:32.29 | VladimirZ | File does not exist: /etc/apache2/htdocs |
| 20:32.30 | kalib | and xyz has two other packages as dependencies.. and aptget asks me to install these packages too.. |
| 20:32.32 | VladimirZ | any ideas ? |
| 20:32.34 | kalib | I say Yes..and it installs them. |
| 20:32.40 | nkuttler | !tell VladimirZ about errors |
| 20:32.48 | kalib | Is there a way NOW for me to check whch packages were those? |
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| 20:33.12 | VladimirZ | nkuttler: this is the error I get when I try starting apache2 :443 |
| 20:33.21 | nodiscc | kalib: basically, every action is logged in /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 20:34.30 | kalib | thanks.. |
| 20:34.32 | nkuttler | VladimirZ: pastebin command + full error. debian's apache doesn't expect that file |
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| 20:36.03 | VladimirZ | nkuttler: I can show you my VirualHost |
| 20:36.11 | VladimirZ | nkuttler: and thats a full error |
| 20:36.24 | VladimirZ | nkuttler: I get it when I want to access website |
| 20:36.41 | nkuttler | VladimirZ: oh well... the configure your vhosts properly |
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| 20:37.01 | nkuttler | VladimirZ: and i bet there's a timestamp in the error log |
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| 20:37.17 | VladimirZ | nkuttler: wait |
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| 20:38.22 | VladimirZ | nkuttler: http://pastebin.com/bweSYfFB |
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| 20:40.32 | nkuttler | VladimirZ: rgrep 'apache2/htdocs' /etc/apache2/ |
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| 20:41.18 | nkuttler | VladimirZ: oh it could also be apache's built in default.. as you didn't configure a document root. just guessing |
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| 20:42.27 | VladimirZ | nkuttler: DocumentRoot, no. |
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| 20:42.41 | VladimirZ | nkuttler: so far everything is default expect that file I pasted in pastebin |
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| 20:43.03 | nkuttler | VladimirZ: well.... where is your docroot? |
| 20:43.33 | VladimirZ | nkuttler: there are many of them I run different application |
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| 20:43.59 | nkuttler | VladimirZ: so.. why didn't you configure any? |
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| 20:44.12 | nkuttler | VladimirZ: and please pastebin the output of the grep command |
| 20:44.25 | VladimirZ | where do i run it? |
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| 20:44.29 | VladimirZ | (folder) |
| 20:44.40 | nkuttler | VladimirZ: in any directory. i used absolute paths |
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| 20:46.39 | VladimirZ | nkuttler: it shows nothing |
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| 20:47.07 | nkuttler | VladimirZ: yeah, so *do* configure docroots for you hosts. /etc/apache2/htdocs seems to be the fallback default |
| 20:47.17 | nkuttler | btw, last time i checked you couldn't just configure different ssl domains with apache, but that might have changed |
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| 20:51.30 | VladimirZ | nkuttler: |
| 20:51.34 | VladimirZ | But I'm running some java applications I don't know which documentroot I should define for those :/ |
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| 20:52.16 | nkuttler | VladimirZ: i don't know either. you should probably check the installation docs of those apps |
| 20:52.21 | zealiod | Why do I have 6 or 7 enteries in ps for "/bin/sh -e /lib/udev/net.agent" |
| 20:52.37 | Justin | VladimirZ: there is no document root, your proxy configuration is not working |
| 20:52.42 | dimir | ask james bond |
| 20:52.53 | VladimirZ | Justin: what should I do ? |
| 20:53.40 | nkuttler | Justin: are you suggesting that java apps usually have their own httpd implemented? |
| 20:53.41 | Justin | first you should fix your virtualhost configurations to have different log files so you know which virtualhost is matching in the first place |
| 20:53.52 | Justin | nkuttler: did you read the configuration he posted? |
| 20:54.02 | ShinyDarkness | Hello. I have two packages whose status according do "dpkg --list" is "pi" (desired: purge, status: installed). How do I change them to "ii" (desired: installed, status: installed)? |
| 20:54.09 | Justin | he's running confluence and jira behind apache |
| 20:54.28 | nkuttler | right.... nah, didn't see the proxy lines |
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| 20:56.25 | ShinyDarkness | Hello...? |
| 20:57.37 | janis | Hi guys! While I am compiling the linux-image packages with dpkg-buildpackage. The compiling is complete, but I get errors for some undefined symbols (e.g.: ieee80211_get_hdrlen ). Could this be a firmware problem? Can I somehow override this? |
| 20:57.44 | JaredKz | hey, how do I stop KDE from starting automatically at bootup? |
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| 21:00.26 | spaceinvader | Hi, I'm having trouble with ATI libva acceration on squeeze, see http://pastie.org/3012432 for details and package versions |
| 21:00.37 | spaceinvader | i think the key error is libva: va_getDriverName() returns -1 |
| 21:00.42 | somiaj | !tell JaredKz about nodm |
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| 21:01.26 | nkuttler | JaredKz: do you want a different desktop environment or no GUI at all? |
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| 21:02.11 | mcr | is there a channel about running xen on debian? |
| 21:02.27 | nkuttler | !tell mcr about xen |
| 21:03.34 | somiaj | mcr: offical channels on irc.oftc.net -- http://wiki.debian.org/IRC |
| 21:03.59 | JaredKz | nkuttler, I just want a desktop manager not to start by default. I think the bot gave me enough info, thanks |
| 21:04.26 | somiaj | JaredKz: putting false in /etc/X11/default-display-manager is the easiest. |
| 21:04.47 | JaredKz | somiaj, sweet, thanks! =) |
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| 21:09.22 | simonlnu | ShinyDarkness: install them again, or mark them so in aptitude |
| 21:09.54 | ShinyDarkness | simonlnu: I cannot uninstall them, those are core packages. |
| 21:10.13 | simonlnu | ShinyDarkness: they're probably pink or purple or magenta (whatever) in aptitude's ui, but with an i on them. you can press + on top of them to mark them such |
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| 21:10.39 | simonlnu | ShinyDarkness: i did not say uninstall, did i? |
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| 21:11.39 | ShinyDarkness | simonlnu: I tried "sudo apt-get install <packages>", but apt-get's output just stated that the packages were already installed and thus apt-get did nothing. |
| 21:12.05 | ShinyDarkness | Apparently, 151 packages are broken. :S |
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| 21:13.27 | simonlnu | ShinyDarkness: np, just do in it aptitude's ui, like i said |
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| 21:13.42 | simonlnu | it'll take a few minutes only |
| 21:13.57 | VladimirZ | http://pastebin.com/8GsuE53R |
| 21:13.59 | VladimirZ | any ideas? |
| 21:15.13 | simonlnu | fix it? |
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| 21:16.52 | ShinyDarkness | simonlnu: aptitude says "suggest 2 keeps", I applied the suggestion. |
| 21:17.09 | ShinyDarkness | simonlnu: But "dpkg -l" still says the desired status of those two packages is "purged". |
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| 21:18.00 | VladimirZ | simonlnu: how |
| 21:18.01 | factor | Does Debian have a tablet front end? |
| 21:18.05 | zealiod | how do i disable hotplug? |
| 21:18.14 | factor | instead of X front end? |
| 21:18.26 | simonlnu | no, don't do anything with that yet, and make sure they're all ii. you can check it with g; yes, that's executing, but the preview also lets you see what's going to happen if you press g again. in the preview, you can press + on those you want to/need to keep. |
| 21:18.47 | simonlnu | ShinyDarkness: ^^^ |
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| 21:19.22 | simonlnu | ShinyDarkness: dpkg -l won't see anything until you commit it anyway, so ignore that |
| 21:19.43 | ShinyDarkness | simonlnu: How do I commit that? |
| 21:20.11 | simonlnu | fix it first, then commit |
| 21:20.21 | simonlnu | be patient |
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| 21:21.41 | simonlnu | (the second g press commits, if there's anything to do, then exit. also marking them ii will) |
| 21:21.48 | ShinyDarkness | Ah! |
| 21:22.09 | ShinyDarkness | Anyway, my machine just overheated... (I was compiling boost...) |
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| 21:23.04 | Justin | ShinyDarkness: why would you do that? |
| 21:23.22 | VladimirZ | simonlnu: fixed |
| 21:23.29 | VladimirZ | now only |
| 21:23.32 | VladimirZ | /usr/lib/php5/20090626/msql.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0 |
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| 21:23.48 | simonlnu | VladimirZ: typo? |
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| 21:24.06 | VladimirZ | simonlnu: typo? |
| 21:24.08 | Justin | VladimirZ: you "fixed" it how? |
| 21:24.32 | simonlnu | there is no "msql" in php TMK |
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| 21:24.53 | cheako | Hello, is any one around a Kermit scripter? I'm looking for a Free source of information. For my project it's necessary to add 1 to "\%2". |
| 21:24.57 | simonlnu | i'm assuming you typed msql instead of mysql or mssql somewhere |
| 21:25.18 | pizza_biz | there is an msql (NOT mysql, and they're not the same thing). |
| 21:25.34 | simonlnu | thanks for the info |
| 21:27.00 | VladimirZ | simonlnu: I just installed mysql nothing else |
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| 21:27.48 | Justin | VladimirZ: you "fixed" it how? |
| 21:29.32 | VladimirZ | Justin: in /etc/apache2/conf.d/ there are those *.so files you just need to remove first line (comment) |
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| 21:30.07 | Justin | VladimirZ: you removed what exactly? |
| 21:30.19 | awaxa | can xargs not take --max-procs and -0 at the same time? |
| 21:30.27 | awaxa | its not threading what i'm telling it to do |
| 21:30.40 | esprimo | I have jail I've made with jailkit and I want to log shell activities. snoopy doesn't seem to get triggerd if it's a jailed user. Any idea why or anyone know any other solution? |
| 21:30.53 | VladimirZ | Justin: ; configuration for ... |
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| 21:31.37 | Justin | VladimirZ: whatever.. just put it back the way it was before you broke it |
| 21:32.11 | NoReflex | hello! anyone know if it is possible to increase the size of a floppy dos boot image? balder.img (from freedos) for instance |
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| 21:34.42 | VladimirZ | Justin: broke what ? |
| 21:34.50 | VladimirZ | Justin: right now it works fine |
| 21:35.01 | VladimirZ | Justin: ";" is a comment |
| 21:35.32 | raven | openbve not running with messages filename not known and something else. any ideas? |
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| 21:39.01 | raven | openbve not running with messages filename not known and something else. any ideas? |
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| 21:40.08 | philluminati | I've just installed the codelite IDE and created a default project but it doesn't build citing missing files related to "wx/....h" and a missing command wx-config. What's the aptitude command to search for a package containing that program please? |
| 21:40.29 | philluminati | Sorry, I'm more familiar with yum, where I could say "yum provides wx-config" to get a package name |
| 21:40.48 | philluminati | I appear to have the package wx-common installed already |
| 21:41.05 | jordanm | !apt-file |
| 21:41.06 | dpkg | apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
| 21:41.25 | raven | openbve not running with messages filename not known and something else. any ideas? |
| 21:42.20 | jordanm | philluminati: and actually, you can can't search for "wx-config" using yum provides, but you can with apt-file. yum requires you make it "*wx-config" or similar |
| 21:43.38 | Bezzie | Hi all, I'm trying to figure out some behavior with apt-get update in particular, and google is n't being too helpful. I'm attempting to find the file that a successful apt-get update actually writes which I believe to be /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin. However, I'm finding that once it was updated, it does not update automatically on subsequent updates. I'm guessing it only updates if it finds a difference |
| 21:43.39 | Bezzie | with what it has locally, but I don't see anything to actually confirm this online or in the man page. |
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| 21:44.16 | raven | openbve not running with messages filename not known and something else. any ideas? |
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| 21:44.42 | lstarnes | raven: you don't need to repeat every minute. we have seen your messages but I don't think anyone has a good response yet |
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| 21:46.50 | philluminati | hmm, ok, google suggested the file is generated from a package installer and isn't actually in a debian package, which is why the search always returns false |
| 21:47.04 | philluminati | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/why-apt-file-search-wx-config-not-find-debian-lenny-694054/ |
| 21:47.10 | philluminati | I think I've found the package now though |
| 21:49.04 | lstarnes | raven: what exact error messages are you getting? |
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| 21:52.32 | iamfuzz | looking for some reg exp help if I may. Trying to setup a watch file to match 3.x but not 4.x |
| 21:52.35 | raven | lstarnes, pastebin.com/qjUwcTxP |
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| 21:53.58 | lstarnes | raven: it appears that the codepage that is in use is not supported |
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| 21:54.15 | egoga | so |
| 21:54.18 | egoga | Guys |
| 21:54.33 | raven | lstarnes, i think so because that is said there but what is the solution |
| 21:54.43 | lstarnes | raven: hold please |
| 21:55.03 | egoga | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
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| 21:55.23 | egoga | I'm getting an error when trying to install stuff, it says I need xserver-abi-10 |
| 21:55.25 | egoga | or something |
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| 21:55.39 | lstarnes | raven: one solution I found for Fedora was to install some extra locales in mono, but I am still looking for the equivalent solution in Debian |
| 21:56.13 | egoga | xorg-abi-10 from sid and also xserver-xorg-core is < 2:1.10.99) but 2:1.11.1.902-1 is to be install |
| 21:56.16 | egoga | xorg-abi-10 from sid and also xserver-xorg-core is < 2:1.10.99) but 2:1.11.1.902-1 is to be installed |
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| 21:56.38 | raven | lstarnes, that means it is a mono problem? |
| 21:56.44 | lstarnes | raven: I think so |
| 21:56.45 | egoga | why is sid asking for an EARLIER version? |
| 21:56.54 | egoga | I installed a bunch of packages, |
| 21:57.02 | egoga | ls: cannot access *96xx*20*deb: No such file or directory |
| 21:57.15 | egoga | ls: cannot access *96.*20*deb: No such file or directory |
| 21:57.33 | egoga | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3015792 Dec 13 02:28 /usr/src/nvidia-96.43.18/libgl1-nvidia-legacy-96xx-glx_96.43.20-2_i386.deb |
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| 21:57.36 | egoga | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 34632 Dec 13 02:28 /usr/src/nvidia-96.43.18/nvidia-alternative-legacy-96xx_96.43.20-2_i386.deb |
| 21:57.39 | egoga | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 221364 Dec 13 02:29 /usr/src/nvidia-96.43.18/nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx_96.43.20-2_i386.deb |
| 21:57.42 | egoga | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3608618 Dec 13 02:30 /usr/src/nvidia-96.43.18/nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-dkms_96.43.20-2_i386.deb |
| 21:57.45 | egoga | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3353714 Dec 13 02:31 /usr/src/nvidia-96.43.18/nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source_96.43.20-2_i386.deb |
| 21:57.47 | lstarnes | egoga: please use a pastebin |
| 21:57.48 | egoga | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4578134 Dec 13 02:32 /usr/src/nvidia-96.43.18/xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-96xx_96.43.20-2_i386.deb |
| 21:57.51 | egoga | Aah there we go |
| 21:58.00 | egoga | I installed those, and forced installed xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-96xx_96.43.20-2_i386.deb |
| 21:58.08 | streuner_ | egoga: dont waste our time |
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| 21:58.37 | egoga | now it's telling me I need an abi package and an earlier (yes, EARLIER) version of xserver-xorg-core |
| 21:58.48 | egoga | oh well, time for colors again |
| 21:58.56 | egoga | Mdc/#[~J H}E={9Pz rtDKhB>T "|mb%M7] TSUS>!#Q hhs]<gpu WUsYK)C( |
| 21:59.01 | egoga | lER@yELl tkV{pY~B kXJjfT+ ittY^QS Ds7{.~ UPdas#^ okAQ%iC8 |
| 21:59.02 | streuner_ | if you using sid, you shoud know whats the difference... |
| 21:59.05 | streuner_ | argh |
| 21:59.06 | egoga | vdMl;>(R e+ a/xS X)kIXSF Cd~XsK) G]~~,`a *-Q//.;{ s}Iu*ie |
| 21:59.10 | valdyn | !ops egoga |
| 21:59.11 | egoga | dg?d9!IJ > G&=zp( t@^[ 'A: +Fm]2'j "CByxN, p#uy<JoB AE(OVe* |
| 21:59.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: valdyn complains about: egoga |
| 21:59.16 | egoga | ~epU\(6 Ni}>:}' C'Gss+< T<*7_Pg[ g$Uoya' eP#/kG] X`K=hDz |
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| 21:59.35 | streuner_ | valdyn: he is just an idiot |
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| 22:00.20 | peterS | getting pretty tired of him |
| 22:00.23 | valdyn | thanks |
| 22:00.30 | streuner_ | me too |
| 22:01.51 | LoRez | peterS: you should fix your script +b % doesn't quiet |
| 22:02.00 | lstarnes | peterS: +q does |
| 22:02.01 | simonlnu | perma-ban him, please. he thorws a tantrum whenever he doesn't get attention |
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| 22:02.16 | peterS | LoRez: indeed - I thought I had fixed it already |
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| 22:03.30 | lstarnes | raven: have you tried using openvbe with a different locale? |
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| 22:04.30 | raven | lstarnes, no |
| 22:05.01 | raven | lstarnes, you mean it is an encoding problem? |
| 22:05.13 | lstarnes | raven: it appears to be |
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| 22:08.20 | LoRez | peterS: also, /msg chanserv quiet #debian $nick |
| 22:08.33 | peterS | LoRez: oh, without having to +o? that is handy |
| 22:08.53 | raven | lstarnes, ok i installed some mono libs and now it starts |
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| 22:10.19 | raven | lstarnes, nice but at the selection of the train it crashes again |
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| 22:11.07 | streuner_ | LoRez: damn, it was the right decision! |
| 22:11.31 | LoRez | streuner_: wtf are you talking about? |
| 22:12.31 | streuner_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:13.18 | LoRez | I'd already quieted him before he did a +b % which doesn't work on the current ircd. |
| 22:13.25 | streuner_ | hehe |
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| 22:13.41 | streuner_ | why we talking are about then :-) |
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| 22:14.05 | darkbulb | I am trying to install the latest stable debian off of dvd 1 only. Doing default encryption takes a load of time on my core i5 16 gb ram with 6 gigabytes a second sata for the disk io. Drive sizes are 2TB 2TB 1TB and 1TB why is this taking days |
| 22:14.23 | spunk | ffs, what a joke, debian squeeze comes with python 2.6 0_0 |
| 22:14.26 | spunk | is this a joke? |
| 22:14.31 | spunk | seriously ? |
| 22:14.34 | darkbulb | who me spunk |
| 22:14.53 | spunk | python is at 2.7 what is 2.6 doing on the latest debian |
| 22:15.17 | valdyn | darkbulb: enabling encryption makes your whole disks being overwriten completely once |
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| 22:15.17 | LoRez | streuner_: I have no idea why you'd be complaining about me giving him more tools to do his opping with |
| 22:15.22 | darkbulb | on snap valdyn |
| 22:15.25 | valdyn | darkbulb: on top of that it uses a slow rng iirc |
| 22:15.45 | darkbulb | can we speed things up by say usiong more ram |
| 22:15.49 | valdyn | darkbulb: no |
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| 22:16.05 | spunk | ffs. python is at 2.7 what is 2.6 doing on the latest debian |
| 22:16.20 | valdyn | darkbulb: you can speed this up by not encrypting all the disks on installation, you can do large parts that you dont need at install time later |
| 22:16.41 | streuner_ | LoRez: we are talking about the same thing, and we are together, i have no idea why we talking anymore about... |
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| 22:17.40 | valdyn | darkbulb: or you can even skip that step of overwring once later, with the implications that follow |
| 22:18.03 | i5513 | hi, do you know how is named the program in gnome which control de audio volume ? I can't find any related in ps -ef output |
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| 22:18.49 | lstarnes | spunk: are you using stable? |
| 22:19.09 | darkbulb | valdyn: has this rng been proven random by a body of mathematicians? Proving randomness is a non trivial task |
| 22:19.21 | spunk | yes. |
| 22:19.40 | valdyn | darkbulb: yes. I think its proven that its not true random |
| 22:19.47 | spunk | lstarnes: what version of debian do you have ? |
| 22:19.56 | lstarnes | spunk: sid |
| 22:19.59 | nsadmin | , versions python |
| 22:20.01 | judd | Package: python on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.2-3; squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze6; sid: 2.7.2-9; wheezy: 2.7.2-9 |
| 22:20.13 | lstarnes | weird |
| 22:20.26 | spunk | I guess I'm not using stable. |
| 22:20.27 | darkbulb | ,versions gcc |
| 22:20.28 | judd | Package: gcc on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.6.1-3; sid: 4:4.6.2-1 |
| 22:20.34 | valdyn | darkbulb: if they used the better linux rng (which is also not truely random), then this wouldnt finish in your lifetime though |
| 22:20.36 | spunk | damn. |
| 22:20.56 | spunk | would someone be so kind to link me to a stable ISO ? |
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| 22:21.10 | darkbulb | sure hang on - Spunk where are you |
| 22:21.13 | lstarnes | spunk: you are using stable (squeeze) if you have python 2.6 |
| 22:21.16 | streuner_ | spunk: /msg dpkg netinstall |
| 22:21.21 | spunk | wtf? |
| 22:21.25 | spunk | inferior |
| 22:21.35 | nkuttler | spunk: /msg dpkg ig |
| 22:21.49 | streuner_ | spunk: stable netinstall is what you want |
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| 22:21.54 | spunk | well which version has the most up to date software ? |
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| 22:21.57 | lstarnes | spunk: sid |
| 22:22.00 | nsadmin | what's inferior? |
| 22:22.04 | lstarnes | aka unstable |
| 22:22.09 | spunk | nsadmin: out of date stuff ? |
| 22:22.13 | streuner_ | lstarnes: sid isnt what he want |
| 22:22.18 | nkuttler | sid isn't a release though. it's just a more or less messy mix of packages |
| 22:22.23 | lstarnes | squeeze is the latest stable release |
| 22:22.23 | valdyn | darkbulb: /dev/urandom is on my system ~10MB / sec, /dev/random is just a few bytes per sec |
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| 22:22.47 | darkbulb | wow |
| 22:22.59 | nsadmin | spunk, you could experience it all for yourself by making your own dist... |
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| 22:24.22 | nsadmin | debian has already done that, so complaints about old software are both (1) already discussed and (2) therefore offtopic... read debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 22:24.58 | gele | i5513: Mine is called mixer_applet2. |
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| 22:26.01 | valdyn | darkbulb: so in case you didnt get that yet, you would have 2 hours / TB |
| 22:26.10 | valdyn | darkbulb: if your computer is 10 times as fast as mine is |
| 22:26.23 | darkbulb | yeah I got it - I checked it twice |
| 22:26.43 | nsadmin | gonna find out whoz noty or nice? |
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| 22:26.49 | i5513 | gele, ps aux | grep mixer # returns empty |
| 22:26.54 | darkbulb | In orderwords how many weeks do I want to devote to this |
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| 22:27.29 | valdyn | darkbulb: what are you expecting to gain from encryption? do you need to plausibly deny that youre storing data? |
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| 22:28.12 | spunk | which version of debian has recent software ? |
| 22:28.25 | darkbulb | some data yes |
| 22:28.27 | gele | spunk: Define "recent". |
| 22:28.28 | lstarnes | spunk: unstable |
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| 22:28.34 | i5513 | spunk, debian sid |
| 22:28.37 | darkbulb | the entire system maybe a bit much |
| 22:28.46 | lstarnes | spunk: but the stable releases are much more reliable and esasier to maintain |
| 22:28.52 | spunk | squeeze was released after sid, you mean to tell me sid comes with python 2.7 ? |
| 22:28.54 | valdyn | darkbulb: how hard would it be to torture you till you give up the password? |
| 22:29.00 | nsadmin | in increasing order of old -> new and stable -> messy/borken... stable, testing, unstable |
| 22:29.06 | darkbulb | point taken |
| 22:29.06 | lstarnes | spunk: sid was never released |
| 22:29.07 | gele | spunk: Sid is not a release. |
| 22:29.30 | spunk | but squeeze is? |
| 22:29.37 | spunk | is sid not a "version" of debian? |
| 22:29.38 | lstarnes | yes |
| 22:29.41 | nsadmin | nor will it ever be a "release"... it's "available" but never will be declared stable |
| 22:29.47 | i5513 | spunk, but you have to know what are you doing with it if you install it |
| 22:29.48 | lstarnes | sid is the unstable development branch of debian |
| 22:29.51 | gele | darkbulb: it's usually easiest to put everything except /boot in a single encrypted LVM partition though. |
| 22:29.53 | nsadmin | squeeze is latest released stable |
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| 22:30.23 | nsadmin | spunk, if you want new toys, build them yourself |
| 22:30.27 | spunk | I don't want to install stuff that sucks. |
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| 22:30.38 | darkbulb | can debian autopart do a multivolume lvm |
| 22:30.46 | spunk | nsadmin: I have work to do. I don't have time to fiddle with linux idiosyncrasies. |
| 22:30.51 | lstarnes | spunk: what is your definition of 'sucks'? |
| 22:30.56 | darkbulb | spunk: try windows |
| 22:31.02 | nsadmin | spunk, then you better stick with stable |
| 22:31.06 | gele | spunk: when someone creates a new package or a new version of a package it goes into sid. once it's been tested for a while it goes into unstable. every once in a while unstable is "released" as stable. |
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| 22:31.21 | lstarnes | gele: sid is unstable. I think you meant testing |
| 22:31.31 | gele | lstarnes: yes. |
| 22:31.36 | nsadmin | because you also don't have time to learn or to fix |
| 22:32.11 | nsadmin | if you're doing real work and you try to use sid... people WILL point and laugh |
| 22:32.16 | nsadmin | just so you know :P |
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| 22:33.20 | nsadmin | on the OTHER hand, if you wish to find problems and report them, that's what you would use sid and testing for |
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| 22:37.50 | spunk | I'm going to install ubuntu. Debian == retarded |
| 22:38.01 | streuner_ | lol |
| 22:38.05 | supersux | :> |
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| 22:38.21 | Justin | kids these days |
| 22:38.23 | spunk | I don't have time for linux failures. |
| 22:38.31 | spunk | I have python work to do. |
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| 22:39.07 | ErVito | hi guys, just a question. I was looking for the next release roadmap but i didn't find anything....any interesting link?? I would know approximately when it will be released (in January or Feb,...2012, 2013.. ;D) |
| 22:39.09 | Justin | Not sure if trolls are getting better, or if people are getting dumber |
| 22:39.21 | JaredKz | Justin, people are getting dumber |
| 22:39.29 | noosh_ | ErVito: of Gentoo? |
| 22:39.37 | nkuttler | didn't you tell him about backports? |
| 22:39.49 | ErVito | ehm...i'm the gentoo channel? lol |
| 22:39.56 | ErVito | in the * |
| 22:39.58 | noosh_ | ErVito: I am waiting for a new LiveDVD, the last one is August |
| 22:40.03 | dondelelcaro | ErVito: Debian only talks about release timeframes as we're getting close to release |
| 22:40.09 | Justin | ErVito: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 22:40.20 | born2troll | guys how do i get my bpp ? |
| 22:40.25 | noosh_ | sorry, wrong room< |
| 22:40.43 | streuner_ | born2troll: bpp? |
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| 22:41.24 | streuner_ | born2troll: what do you mean with "bpp"? |
| 22:41.53 | born2troll | http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=354676 |
| 22:41.55 | ErVito | oghey |
| 22:42.01 | ErVito | i've understood |
| 22:42.02 | born2troll | but xradr cant get me my gamma |
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| 22:42.48 | ErVito | another question, do you know where can i look for the old deb package of the x2 text editor? |
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| 22:43.46 | ErVito | it is in the sid repository but there was some .deb about 1.0.7 version, now there are only 1.0.9 ones |
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| 22:44.07 | babilen | !tell ErVito about snapshots |
| 22:44.19 | streuner_ | born2troll: segmention fault means to me, your RAM is crap or the software sucks |
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| 22:44.33 | bmomjian | Do I need to do anything special to hot-swap a non-raid sata2 drive in Debian Squeeze? Just umount it, remove it, and put in a new one and mount that? |
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| 22:45.19 | ErVito | bmomjian: are you got married? Can i have the honor? |
| 22:45.25 | born2troll | streuner_ well the command there gives me an error |
| 22:45.47 | ErVito | bookmarks snapshot.debian.org |
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| 22:45.59 | Gonna_fly | hi all |
| 22:46.40 | ErVito | bmomjian: i'm sorry, it was for babilen lol |
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| 22:46.51 | bmomjian | ok |
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| 22:47.48 | Gonna_fly | who use mysql cluster with squeeze? |
| 22:47.58 | jelly-home | bmomjian: umount it, delete the device using echo 1 >> /sys/block/sdXXX/device/delete, wait for the spindown, THEN remove |
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| 22:48.30 | perezd | anyone have any advice on where to look for deb packages that can upgrade start-stop-daemon, I want to add in the --logfile option, badly. |
| 22:48.33 | babilen | ErVito: I don't follow -- But that's OK, we don't have to discuss it. |
| 22:48.35 | bmomjian | ok, is this written somewhere? I think I need a rescan echo too |
| 22:49.04 | bmomjian | I see the delete file under /sys |
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| 22:49.38 | jelly-home | bmomjian: it's written here in the channel; I don't have a reference ready |
| 22:49.57 | bmomjian | ok |
| 22:50.12 | bmomjian | so I echo to delete, then when I re-add, I echo to rescan? |
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| 22:51.06 | jelly-home | bmomjian: if your controller really is hotplug capable, it ought to detect the new device. If not you may need to nudge it with echo 0 0 0 >> /sys/class/scsi_host/hostXXX/scan |
| 22:51.26 | bmomjian | ok, it is a super-micro that says it is hot-swap sata2 |
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| 22:53.00 | yazdmich | how do i get chrome? |
| 22:53.42 | yazdmich | i got debian installed and booted it with lilo |
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| 22:54.07 | yazdmich | but |
| 22:54.20 | yazdmich | no programs except for what xfce came with |
| 22:54.28 | yazdmich | no ssh, no ftp |
| 22:54.46 | babilen | yazdmich: Why don't you install them? |
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| 22:54.54 | yazdmich | how? |
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| 22:54.58 | lstarnes | yazdmich: apt-get? |
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| 22:55.05 | yazdmich | and how large are the packages? |
| 22:55.27 | lstarnes | yazdmich: it depends on the application. some are a a few kilobytes. some may be close to a gigabyte |
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| 22:55.57 | yazdmich | i only have like 200 MB to work with untill i free up the 340 MB i set aside for swap but ended up not needing to use |
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| 22:56.56 | Gonna_fly | before the installation apt tells you how much space must be used |
| 22:57.05 | yazdmich | ah |
| 22:57.28 | jelly-home | bmomjian: I don't know whether it's safe on your hardware, but on my laptop I just rescan all the scsi buses and see what (re)appears: echo "0 0 0" | tee /sys/class/scsi_host/host?/scan |
| 22:59.22 | bmomjian | ok, so just give it a try and see what happens, ok |
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| 23:12.34 | Gonna_fly | exit |
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| 23:29.22 | VladimirZ | is there any good tutorial how to intall/setup web proxy ? |
| 23:29.31 | VladimirZ | (server) |
| 23:29.39 | abrotman | i'm sure squid has lots of docs |
| 23:30.38 | VladimirZ | abrotman: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/71 |
| 23:30.44 | butat | channer detected |
| 23:30.45 | VladimirZ | this should be good enough? |
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| 23:32.00 | jhutchins_lt | VladimirZ: We can't really predict your knowledge and experience or the level of guidance you need. Why not just give it a try? |
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| 23:33.11 | DCC_SEND | Hey is anyone here |
| 23:33.18 | butat | faggot detected |
| 23:33.19 | abrotman | no |
| 23:33.25 | DCC_SEND | Yeah, well |
| 23:33.27 | abrotman | butat: do you need help ? |
| 23:33.30 | DCC_SEND | In debian, how do I make a wheezy backport |
| 23:33.32 | butat | unfunny |
| 23:33.41 | abrotman | butat: do you have a Debian related question ? |
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| 23:33.55 | abrotman | DCC_SEND: backport from what to what ? |
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| 23:34.47 | eldereko | how can you reselect your apt sources mirror... mirrors.kernel.org seems to have gone away |
| 23:35.05 | zaltekk | eldereko: you can modify your mirror in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:35.19 | eldereko | where do I get the urls? |
| 23:35.27 | themill | dpkg: tell eldereko about mirrors |
| 23:35.57 | eldereko | thanks |
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| 23:41.01 | zaltekk | I've got a question related to distributions and package updates. pianobar which uses libpiano to access Pandora Radio for squeeze is dated 2010-11-06. However, unless you run the absolute latest pianobar/libpiano, you are unable to connect due to protocol changes. Is this ever going to be updated in before wheezy? |
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| 23:41.09 | zaltekk | Or should I look to backports/self-porting it? |
| 23:41.38 | zaltekk | It is a package that is obviously useless if not kept completely current. It can't function otherwise. |
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| 23:41.45 | abrotman | zaltekk: it might be .. but if you need it now, you'd end up backporting it yourself |
| 23:42.15 | themill | zaltekk: is it obviously useless? |
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| 23:42.31 | themill | that is to say, have you tried it? |
| 23:42.36 | zaltekk | themill: Immediately prints an erro and exits saying that it needs to be upgraded. |
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| 23:42.52 | zaltekk | Error: Protocol incompatible. Please upgrade libpiano. |
| 23:43.39 | themill | zaltekk: which version of the libpiano0 package do you have installed? |
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| 23:44.50 | zaltekk | themill: i don't actually see a squeeze package for libpiano by itself. just the pianobar package. |
| 23:44.50 | themill | or "pianobar" for squeeze, actually |
| 23:45.01 | zaltekk | 2010.11.06-1+squeeze2 |
| 23:45.14 | zaltekk | 2011.11.11 is the latest upstream |
| 23:45.37 | zaltekk | and the upstream website states: "Old releases usually don’t work any more due to changes in the RPC protocol." |
| 23:46.11 | themill | zaltekk: please file a bug asking for the protocol to be updated to the newer version again. (/msg dpkg reportbug). Please also cluebat upstream until they work out what a protocol is for. |
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| 23:46.41 | zaltekk | themill: not sure what you mean about the upstream part. |
| 23:47.17 | zaltekk | themill: it's a third party client for pandora.com. upstream just updates to use the latest protocol when the old one stops working. they have nothing to do with it being changed. |
| 23:47.27 | themill | zaltekk: the protocol has been updated 3 times in squeeze already. The debian maintainers are obviously trying to keep on top of these changes. |
| 23:47.40 | jelly-home | not trying enough! |
| 23:47.46 | abrotman | or stop using pandora |
| 23:47.54 | jelly-home | hah |
| 23:48.05 | abrotman | still prefers lastfm |
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| 23:48.24 | zaltekk | i happen to like the service. works on my laptop and on my cellphone(for in the car) |
| 23:48.30 | jelly-home | that's the kind of useless advice that needn't be written at all |
| 23:48.37 | abrotman | which one? |
| 23:48.43 | jelly-home | "don't use it" |
| 23:48.45 | zaltekk | "stop using it" |
| 23:48.51 | abrotman | clearly the maintainers are trying to keep up |
| 23:48.52 | toehio2 | how do I resize a vfat partition on a disk image?oe |
| 23:48.54 | hikenboot | I am having a problem with bridging kvm and the host holding the kvm instances. All guests can reach internet but host is unable to anyone good with briding able to help |
| 23:48.54 | jelly-home | "use Y instead of X" |
| 23:48.56 | abrotman | themilll already stated that |
| 23:49.07 | abrotman | i'm sure the maintainers know the protocol changed too |
| 23:49.13 | zaltekk | well, they are a year behind on updates |
| 23:49.24 | hikenboot | I tried to add a default route to eth0 to internet but it does nothing |
| 23:49.27 | zaltekk | it's been updated 7 times |
| 23:49.30 | themill | zaltekk: they are not, as I've already explained. |
| 23:49.32 | hikenboot | I think bridging is interfering with it |
| 23:49.36 | abrotman | zaltekk: there's only one non-pandora client ? |
| 23:49.55 | zaltekk | abrotman: i think there are a small handful. |
| 23:50.03 | abrotman | jelly-home: and it can be useful .. |
| 23:50.14 | themill | zaltekk: the last update to the squeeze package was 4 months ago and it was certainly working then. |
| 23:50.20 | abrotman | zaltekk: using the web browser is not an option ? |
| 23:50.22 | jelly-home | abrotman: never by itself |
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| 23:50.40 | abrotman | uhhuh |
| 23:50.42 | themill | zaltekk: you could email 648209@bugs.debian.org requesting that they update it in stable as well. |
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| 23:51.03 | VladimirZ | how do firewall port 8080 and allow only one IP ? |
| 23:51.36 | zaltekk | abrotman: well, it is. i just prefer the pianobar client because it is a cli program and i can background it and not stop playback if i logout of X. |
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| 23:52.29 | abrotman | zaltekk: another option would be to use uupdate, /msg dpkg uupdate |
| 23:53.15 | zaltekk | abrotman: that looks like a nice tool. i'll give it a try. |
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| 23:54.01 | themill | backporting the entire thing is more likely to be successful |
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| 23:54.14 | zaltekk | first day installing debian on my laptop, so i'm still learning my way around a standard workflow |
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