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| 00:11.57 | LiENUS | is there a solution to pxe boot over wireless, like a initrd to load up and connect to the network then fetch the config and kernel then execute the kernel while unloading itself? |
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| 00:14.06 | jhutchins_lt | LiENUS: Interesting research topic. A quick scan looks like it may not be possible without a ROM on the wireless NIC |
| 00:14.22 | LiENUS | jhutchins_lt, why would you need a rom on the nic though? |
| 00:14.29 | LiENUS | if you boot a full os it seems like you wouldnt |
| 00:14.35 | LiENUS | boot it off a flash drive or something |
| 00:14.53 | jhutchins_lt | For the wifi auth I presume, and to run the bootloader. |
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| 00:15.16 | jhutchins_lt | Otherwise you'd have to configure the SSID and the authorization in the BIOS. |
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| 00:16.23 | LiENUS | yeah im saying you have a bootloader that does the wifi auth |
| 00:16.41 | LiENUS | ie boot to a mini initrd running linux |
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| 00:17.02 | LiENUS | that then does the wifi stuff then downloads the kernel like normal pxe |
| 00:17.05 | LiENUS | sort of a pxe emulator |
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| 00:17.41 | jhutchins_lt | LiENUS: Get thee to the google! |
| 00:18.12 | LiENUS | i've been browsing google was hoping debian ha something predone |
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| 00:21.33 | dondelelcaro | LiENUS: doing PXE via wireless is probably possible, but usually ends up being a bit difficult |
| 00:21.51 | LiENUS | dondelelcaro, well are you aware of any bootdisk like i described to make it easier? |
| 00:21.56 | dondelelcaro | LiENUS: there are all sorts of difficulties with actually connecting to the right wireless network, authenticating, etc. |
| 00:22.11 | dondelelcaro | LiENUS: it'd be much easier to just use a usb key or similar |
| 00:22.23 | dondelelcaro | (or if you really want PXE, a wired network) |
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| 00:22.47 | gwern | I have an odd issue. my apps are giving me errors about /tmp being full and when I try copying files over, it does seem full. but when I sudo du -ch * inside /tmp, the total size is like 7MB even as df is telling me 'tmpfs 766M 756M 11M 99% /tmp ', and this is true even when I look for hidden directories/ with ls -a - they all seem tiny. could this be due to all the other 'tmpfs' stuff I apparently have mounted according to ... |
| 00:22.49 | LiENUS | well thats what i'll be using is a micro sd card |
| 00:22.53 | gwern | ... /etc/mtab? 'tmpfs /lib/init/rw tmpfs rw,nosuid,size=5242880,mode=755,size=5242880,mode=755 0 0 tmpfs /run tmpfs rw,noexec,nosuid,size=10%,mode=755,size=10%,mode=755 0 0 tmpfs /tmp tmpfs rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,size=20%,mode=1777 0 0 udev /dev tmpfs rw,mode=0755 0 0 tmpfs /run/shm tmpfs rw,nosuid,nodev,size=20%,mode=1777,size=20%,mode=1777 0 0 ' |
| 00:22.53 | LiENUS | i want a bootdisk i can put on it |
| 00:23.04 | LiENUS | to load itself, connect to the wifi then do pxe from there |
| 00:23.14 | dondelelcaro | LiENUS: if you're booting off of a microsd card, you don't need to do PXE booting |
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| 00:23.28 | LiENUS | sos i can change kernels and whatnot without redoing 20 microsd cards |
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| 00:24.15 | gwern | even if I check all those tmpfs stuff, 'sudo du -ch /lib/init/rw /run /tmp /run/shm /dev', it's still only 15M |
| 00:24.20 | dondelelcaro | gwern: something may have created a file in tmp, then unliked it |
| 00:24.22 | gwern | (so... I am fairly confused) |
| 00:24.31 | dondelelcaro | s/liked/linked/ |
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| 00:24.46 | abrotman | thinks dondelelcaro has been using too much facebook |
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| 00:24.56 | LiENUS | otherwise i have to redo 20 microsd cards every time i upgrade kernels whereas if i get pxe going just send out a reboot command |
| 00:24.56 | gwern | dondelelcaro: I thought a book scanning I was doing might've been the problem since that blew my tmp to shreds, but I've rebooted like twice since then |
| 00:24.59 | dondelelcaro | gwern: so if that's unusual, you probably want to look at the lsof output to see what has files open in /tmp |
| 00:25.22 | gentz | I'm pxe booting debian-installer over the network. I want to dd a drive image to the computer being pxe booted. how can i do this? |
| 00:25.47 | gentz | Is there a live version of debian that can be pxe booted so that i can dd over nfs or something? |
| 00:25.48 | LiENUS | gentz, every time it boots? |
| 00:25.56 | gentz | LiENUS: no just once. |
| 00:26.17 | LiENUS | id use an initrd with it to fetch it (maybe netcat here) and write to disk |
| 00:26.19 | dondelelcaro | gentz: the installer can dd the image if you want |
| 00:26.22 | gwern | dondelelcaro: not really familiar with lsof /tmp output - am I looking for things like 'COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME git 1051 gwern 1u REG 0,17 788823493 684033 /tmp/tmpfMoYwSh (deleted) ' ? |
| 00:26.34 | LiENUS | nfs would work too |
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| 00:27.04 | gentz | dondelelcaro: it can dd the image over the network? |
| 00:27.45 | dondelelcaro | gentz: sure, it has wget and dd. |
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| 00:28.05 | dondelelcaro | (and maybe even nc; can't remember) |
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| 00:32.17 | jordanm | abrotman: just as I was typing !ops |
| 00:32.50 | kasploosh | Has anyone had the problem of a USB keyboard not working when it's time to decrypt the root file system. PS2 keyboard works fine. The boot process goes BIOS > GRUB > initrd > crypt. When it's time to decrypt the USB keyboard doesn't work. USB keyboard does work in BIOS and GRUB. |
| 00:32.51 | gwern | dondelelcaro: hm, I guess that did the trick. I did sudo kill -9 on all the PIDs with 788* SIZE/OFF fields, and now 'tmpfs 766M 2.1M 764M 1% /tmp ' |
| 00:33.01 | abrotman | jordanm: i try ... :) |
| 00:33.29 | gwern | dondelelcaro: thanks. wouldn't've occurred to me to look at *deleted* files as the source of the memory leak... |
| 00:33.45 | gwern | learns something new and unwelcome about linux |
| 00:34.20 | gwern | (not as incredibly frustrating as discovering a torrent I want to download blows the linux 255-byte filename size limit and there is no easy way to edit a torrent file in linux) |
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| 00:34.40 | engla | linux has a 255 byte filename limit? |
| 00:35.05 | jordanm | engla: ext filesystems are limited to 255 characters per file or directory name |
| 00:35.17 | jordanm | ntfs is limited to 255 characters per absolute path |
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| 00:35.38 | engla | I never knew this, I thought we were invincible |
| 00:35.42 | gwern | jordanm: my reading indicated this was a Linux VFS issue, not just ext - IIRC there were things like 'reiser can do 4000 char names but this doesn't actually work on linux' |
| 00:35.50 | gwern | (but I could be wrong) |
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| 00:36.24 | gwern | jordanm: also, it's bytes not characters, which was the problem - certain japanese or chinese characters take up many bytes |
| 00:36.24 | jordanm | gwern: perhaps, I have not tested, nor can I imagine why anyone want reach that limit |
| 00:36.59 | gwern | jordanm: well as I said, it's bytes not characters, so someone created a file with, I dunno, 50 characters in the name, and then the multiple bytes blow that past 255 |
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| 00:37.17 | dondelelcaro | gwern: it's actually a typical filesystem setup, and is especially prevalent for temporary files |
| 00:37.17 | engla | gwern: no torrent client out there that allows you to change the name? |
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| 00:37.52 | gwern | engla: oh, they *do*. unfortunately, however they do it is either not 'real' or subsequent to the evil-name file being processed and borking the client |
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| 00:38.20 | engla | gwern: or just excluding the file from download |
| 00:38.25 | gwern | engla: same thing |
| 00:38.39 | gwern | the filename gets processed as part of the exclusion, and then you're screwed |
| 00:39.10 | engla | why, it should never hit the filesystem? |
| 00:39.16 | gwern | (the KDE torrent editor is bitrotten; torrenteditor.com chokes on a 6mb .torrent; etc. I tried a lot of things.) |
| 00:40.03 | dondelelcaro | gwern: the filename part limit is a filesystem limitation; and anyway, most filesystems have that limit |
| 00:40.06 | gwern | engla: I have no idea, I didn't write deluge, azureus, transmission, or rtorrent |
| 00:40.23 | gwern | dondelelcaro: they may have a *character* limit, but do they have a *byte* limit? |
| 00:40.54 | dondelelcaro | gwern: most of them have a byte limit |
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| 00:41.03 | gwern | dondelelcaro: eg. jordanm just said it was a 255 character limit, not 255 byte limit |
| 00:41.03 | dondelelcaro | gwern: NTFS is one of the few that have a character limit |
| 00:41.16 | gwern | (yeah, ntfs is also pretty common) |
| 00:41.44 | engla | character limit? linux filesystem code doesn't have filename encodings what I know |
| 00:41.46 | dondelelcaro | right, but it's also kind of insanely designed, and I actually doubt that it really has a 255 character limit |
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| 00:42.09 | jordanm | gwern: its a byte limit, which is the same as a character limit to me, but as you pointed out, not for other languages |
| 00:42.14 | dondelelcaro | (because of combining characters, it probably has a byte limit that usually isn't reached, and an imposed 255 character limit ontop of that) |
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| 00:42.34 | gwern | well, anyway, my solution was to a) complain to torrenteditor.com, in the hopes they'll fix their file size issues and I can create a new .torrent which deletes the offending files; b) complain to the torrent uploader in the hopes he'll give the relevant files saner shorter names |
| 00:42.59 | engla | try qbittorrent |
| 00:43.02 | dondelelcaro | or fix the torrent downloader to just truncate the names |
| 00:43.11 | dondelelcaro | or do something else sane with them |
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| 00:43.38 | gwern | dondelelcaro: the clients, alas, are not written in haskell, so patching them is a little beyond me |
| 00:44.04 | gwern | engla: what makes you think that will work where the other 5 or 6 didn't? |
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| 00:44.58 | engla | gwern: no idea, because it's the one I use. But I'm googling the issue and coming up with one fixed bug relating to file name limits not sure if it's enough ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/qbittorrent/+bug/739518 ) |
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| 00:45.51 | gwern | engla: hm. looks like they do the truncation solution. is that patch in unstable? |
| 00:46.14 | gwern | 2.7.1 vs 2.9.2-1, so hopefully |
| 00:47.08 | engla | I think so yes |
| 00:47.11 | engla | I have 2.92 |
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| 00:47.35 | Maquiavelo | Hi |
| 00:47.36 | engla | BUGFIX: Limit file names to 255 bytes to avoid issues on Linux FS |
| 00:47.44 | engla | (2.7.1 changelog for qbt) |
| 00:48.23 | Maquiavelo | Quick question: I'm pluggin in a microsd with an adaptor in my PC. syslog says Attached scsi... device scan complete, [sdc] attached scsi.. and then 5 seconds later it disconnects it USB Disconnect. |
| 00:48.29 | Maquiavelo | I didn't disconnect it whatsoever |
| 00:48.40 | Maquiavelo | I tried other microsd and they work fine, Debian doesn't disconnect them. |
| 00:48.58 | Maquiavelo | I tried on a windows pc and the card is read fine. |
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| 00:49.39 | abrotman | Maquiavelo: what is uname -r ? |
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| 00:50.06 | hikenboot | if vmbr0 is bridge to eth0 then why can I ping the internet ping vmbr0 address and reach remotely vmbr0 and I can ping from the guests to the internet but i cant reach from the host to the guests via ping |
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| 00:50.47 | Maquiavelo | 2.6.30 |
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| 00:52.36 | Maquiavelo | abrotman, At first it loads it, scans it, whatever, and 4 seconds later, the system disconnects it for no reason. |
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| 00:52.52 | abrotman | Maquiavelo: did you compile that yourself ? |
| 00:53.05 | gwern | engla: not sure that works. if I load the torrent normally or as an argument, it just ignores the torrent entirely. if I do the 'import existing torrent' option, I get a dialog 'This is not a valid torrent file.' (just redownloaded the .torrent to make sure it wasn't one I had tried to edit or anything, too) |
| 00:53.11 | Maquiavelo | abrotman, Nope |
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| 00:53.37 | abrotman | Maquiavelo: what is "cat /proc/version" .. the whole thing |
| 00:54.15 | pingveno | Do I get chased off to #ubuntu (useless channel) if I ask about Debian packages + Ubuntu? |
| 00:54.27 | Maquiavelo | Oh its actually ubuntu apparently, dunno someone lent me this distro so I could try and mount it. Ubuntu 4.3.2. I should ask in ubuntu then. |
| 00:54.32 | abrotman | pingveno: is your OS Ubuntu ? |
| 00:54.41 | abrotman | Maquiavelo: yes, please |
| 00:54.57 | lstarnes | there was no Ubuntu 4.3.2 |
| 00:55.05 | Maquiavelo | that's what prov/version says |
| 00:55.08 | Maquiavelo | proc |
| 00:55.18 | pingveno | abrotman: It's the one I'm dealing with |
| 00:55.24 | pingveno | that-- |
| 00:55.27 | jordanm | lstarnes: its the gcc verison used to compile the kernel |
| 00:55.31 | abrotman | pingveno: then yes .. you'd ask #ubuntu |
| 00:55.44 | lstarnes | Maquiavelo: lsb_release -a |
| 00:56.03 | Maquiavelo | ah, its intrepid. 8.10 |
| 00:56.12 | pingveno | No one over there has a clue about modifying Debian packages. :( |
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| 00:56.25 | pingveno | Or, more accurately, they never say anything about it. |
| 00:56.28 | zaltekk | i think 8.10 is out of support |
| 00:56.33 | abrotman | and offtopic here |
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| 00:56.34 | lstarnes | Maquiavelo: i know this isn't #ubuntu, but 8.10's support should have expired after April 2010 |
| 00:56.37 | pingveno | zaltekk: still in |
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| 00:56.54 | pingveno | Oh, server only |
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| 00:57.19 | Maquiavelo | Yeah, pretty sure, either way I find the behaviour to be strange. And it only happens with that microsd card. Tried another one and the system mounts it just fine. |
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| 00:59.17 | engla | gwern: ok, sorry to give you false hope |
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| 00:59.40 | abrotman | wonders how that's working out for him .. |
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| 01:00.48 | gwern | engla: well, I've posted a commeont on that bug, maybe I'm doing something wrong |
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| 01:01.34 | engla | they seem responsive and do a lot of releases so it looks good |
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| 01:10.54 | wodim | is it possible to install debian from within another linux? |
| 01:10.56 | wodim | using chroot, etc |
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| 01:13.17 | lghtng | yes |
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| 01:14.16 | kasploosh | I have this problem where I can't use a USB keyboard to decrypt the root drive during the boot process. I tried re-building the initrd while adding "usbcore" the the list of modules. |
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| 01:14.25 | wodim | lghtng, any howto? at least to know where to start, as the debian installer is very weird :) |
| 01:14.43 | lghtng | debbootstrap? |
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| 01:15.13 | wodim | looks nice, lghtng |
| 01:15.27 | wodim | it does a full installation? |
| 01:16.00 | lghtng | sort of |
| 01:16.07 | somiaj | wodim: it puts the base system into a directory (partition) -- but you have to do some additonal manual work to get it to boot |
| 01:16.17 | lghtng | it will get you to the point you can apt-get the rest |
| 01:16.18 | wodim | yes yes |
| 01:16.22 | wodim | i know that |
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| 01:16.25 | wodim | that's what I need |
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| 01:16.29 | wodim | thank you |
| 01:17.10 | lghtng | as if grub-install /your/device/here were all that hard :) |
| 01:18.16 | somiaj | yea, but he still has to install a kernel, set up fstab as well |
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| 01:19.22 | lghtng | debootstrap for rpm: http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/7162266/dir/opensuse/com/debootstrap-0.3.3.1-8.2.noarch.rpm.html |
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| 01:20.11 | somiaj | iamsaint: please don't message me. Why do you want to backport to debian wheezy? Yes you can do this, /msg dpkg ssbp |
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| 01:20.27 | lghtng | if its just the generic wheezy kernel and 1 root partition and a swapper, it's not that bad |
| 01:21.11 | somiaj | yea its not bad, you just don't have a installer to guide you though it. (: |
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| 01:22.04 | lghtng | i find a pad of graph paper and a pencil solves most manual access while offline problems |
| 01:22.25 | somiaj | iamsaint: I don't want to do personal help. If you can't talk in #debian it might be because you are ircing as root |
| 01:23.09 | somiaj | guess that isnt it, well try to find help in a place you don't get yourself mutted. Also for wheezy/sid help check #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 01:23.22 | lghtng | although i have had to walk to the local library with a usb key to get drivers before because i was careless |
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| 01:34.03 | NemesisD | hi all. working with a squeeze 64 bit VM. i'm trying to upgrade it to use the testing repos. there's no /etc/apt directory. should i be concerned about that? |
| 01:34.16 | abrotman | it's not squeeze/ |
| 01:34.17 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:34.20 | abrotman | or Debian at all? |
| 01:35.07 | NemesisD | well i feel stupid |
| 01:35.19 | NemesisD | its still running my centos VM, didn't even boot debian |
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| 01:36.20 | abrotman | tricky |
| 01:38.35 | abrotman | NemesisD: FWIW, lsb_release -a would help :) |
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| 01:43.06 | waltman | Just to follow up on my issue from yesterday, the signing key for chrome seems to have magically fixed itself overnight. |
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| 01:48.14 | bmomjian | Is this a valid hot-swap pullout of an unmounted drive? http://momjian.us/tmp/kern |
| 01:48.25 | bmomjian | it is the kernel output; does it look OK? |
| 01:50.08 | abrotman | i'd say the FAILED is not a good sign ? |
| 01:50.12 | bmomjian | well, I put it back in and did a mount and it mounted fine |
| 01:50.18 | bmomjian | yes, that was my impression |
| 01:50.35 | bmomjian | some suggested I have to echo to 'delete' in /sys |
| 01:51.08 | LordTrev | How can I set up my computer as a router? (I need eth0 to get internet from wlan0) |
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| 01:52.40 | bmomjian | I used uuid so it automatically mounted to the right directory with 'mount and the directory name'; pretty cool! |
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| 01:54.11 | k-man | is there any debian installers with the firmware like bnx2.ko built in? |
| 01:55.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: firmware |
| 01:55.32 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 01:55.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: installer firmware |
| 01:55.40 | dpkg | Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04 and http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
| 01:56.26 | abrotman | dpkg: tell k-man about firmware images |
| 01:56.28 | babilen | !tell k-man about firmware image |
| 01:56.35 | babilen | :) |
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| 01:59.13 | k-man | thanks babilen |
| 01:59.24 | k-man | and thanks Kamping_Kaiser |
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| 01:59.36 | k-man | I got this big HP server |
| 01:59.43 | k-man | its got like 14 hdds in it |
| 01:59.48 | k-man | its a monster |
| 02:00.05 | abrotman | only 14? |
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| 02:01.20 | Haraken | since upgrading to debian squeeze from lenny my system can't assemble the raid anymore at boot so it fails booting all together. I am in knoppix right now and I have the raid assembled, is there anything i can to do/check to fix this? |
| 02:03.58 | kasploosh | USB keyboard not working in early user space: Solution for me was to add all usb modules to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and remake initrd. Solution was here: http://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard |
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| 02:07.27 | k-man | abrotman, about that |
| 02:08.18 | k-man | abrotman, but unfortunately its got them on 2 different controllers so you can't make one big array out of them - at leat not using the hardware raid controller |
| 02:08.40 | k-man | s/leat/least |
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| 02:14.40 | pnocti | what is the preferred vm app for debian? vmware or virtualbox? |
| 02:14.55 | pnocti | virtualizing windows, nix and osx. |
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| 02:16.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | are you genuinely expecting us to say the preferred application is one not included with debian? |
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| 02:17.17 | cobra-the-joker | pnocti: theres nothing official or specific for debian ... mainly there is vmware and virtualbox ... there is also KVM ( which i dont recommend in a non-redhat enviroment ) |
| 02:17.27 | technologov_ | pnocti, VBox is included with Debian and is preferrable :) |
| 02:17.54 | technologov_ | (I happen to be a vbox expert of sorts, so my opinion might be biased) |
| 02:18.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | cobra-the-joker: out of interest, why do you suggest avoiding kvm? |
| 02:19.11 | cobra-the-joker | Kamping_Kaiser: not avoiding ... just saying it is best operatable in a redhat/fedora enviroment ... more integrated into the system |
| 02:19.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | cobra-the-joker: ok, thanks for clarifying. my mistake :) |
| 02:19.48 | technologov_ | because Red Hat dropped / do not support everything else (Xen/VBox) |
| 02:19.54 | cobra-the-joker | Kamping_Kaiser: no problem :) |
| 02:20.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | fwiw, i run up xp in kvm now and then, works fine on debian. i don't do anything more complex then that though, nfi how firewalling/routing such things work |
| 02:20.12 | technologov_ | RH is focused on KVM-only, and patch only KVM |
| 02:21.05 | cobra-the-joker | nice ... i use vmware here ..... might try kvm later |
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| 02:33.01 | pnocti | thank you technologov_, so windows xp, vista, 7 runs okay inside vbox? |
| 02:33.13 | technologov_ | ofc. |
| 02:33.36 | lstarnes | and in kvm and vmware too |
| 02:33.37 | technologov_ | debian-6 is well tested with vbox as both host and guest |
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| 02:49.07 | ranix | I have a hojillion jiggabytes worth of old kernels and initrd images in /boot that stay there until I manually delete them. Why doesn't Debian prune these files automatically? |
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| 02:49.45 | delimax | ranix: hojirriun jiabbaruutes? |
| 02:50.06 | ranix | delimax: that's what I said, horurun juggaroos |
| 02:50.33 | delimax | slaps his dog |
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| 02:51.38 | abrotman | ranix: are you using make-kpkg to create them ? |
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| 02:51.53 | ranix | abrotman: no, I'm using apt-get to fetch them |
| 02:51.59 | abrotman | ranix: purge the packages |
| 02:52.34 | ranix | abrotman: OK. But my real question really is "why aren't they purged automagically" |
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| 02:54.22 | Bogus8 | anyone know how to disable the "Ctrl+D = exit" function of PuTTy? |
| 02:55.46 | delimax | ranix: if you want to write a cron job that executes once a month and pings the user to see if they want to purge their stale kernels then please do so! save some space on your atoxlliiiliion flilkslibytes hdd |
| 02:56.01 | cthuluh | Bogus8: is it really putty's fault? |
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| 02:56.33 | Bogus8 | cthuluh: well, default behaviour of linux is to complete a multi-line command |
| 02:57.01 | Bogus8 | like if you put a \ after a command you can enter more commands till you hit CTRL+D |
| 02:57.23 | Bogus8 | but when running Putty, you can see it quickly type "exit" after doing the default behaviour |
| 02:58.21 | cthuluh | hmmm |
| 02:58.46 | cthuluh | so when typing: some command \ |
| 02:58.50 | cthuluh | C-d |
| 02:58.59 | ranix | delimax: I would probably make a postinst script in the kernel-image packages that checks for stale kernels and asks if the user wants to delete them |
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| 02:59.00 | cthuluh | your shell shouldn't exit? |
| 02:59.14 | delimax | ranix: that would be cleverer. |
| 02:59.26 | Bogus8 | cthuluh: not from what I've read. |
| 03:00.06 | Bogus8 | maybe I read it wrong. |
| 03:00.23 | cthuluh | what did you read then? (because that's the behaviour I expect from bash) |
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| 03:04.08 | Bogus8 | cthuluh: hmm... I'll look through my history and see where I read that. |
| 03:04.15 | abrotman | ranix: i just remove them, gets rid of them |
| 03:04.25 | abrotman | ranix: you don't always want to remove old kernels |
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| 03:05.13 | cthuluh | Bogus8: when at the beginning of a line, bash interprets a C-d as EOF and exits ; if you want, you can set IGNOREEOF to a value that please you |
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| 03:06.25 | Bogus8 | cthuluh: maybe I read it wrong *shrug* Having a hard time find it... I was looking at lots of sites on scripting trying to hammer out a script and I came across it and took a mental not of it. |
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| 03:07.39 | gnarface | ok so i've got this palm pilot and i've been told i can put linux on it but that first i need a cross compiler |
| 03:07.59 | gnarface | is there a debian package for a cross-compile environment suitable for building such arm kernels? |
| 03:08.11 | delimax | abrotman: what's that old adage? "upon rebuilding linux kernel, look in slash boot slash, if there is only one vmlinuz, kick yourself in the ass" |
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| 03:08.54 | gnarface | delimax: ? |
| 03:09.47 | delimax | gnarface: http://people.debian.org/~debacle/cross/ |
| 03:10.08 | abrotman | delimax: that's not how it works anymore .. but close enough |
| 03:11.25 | gnarface | delimax: the first thing that link tells me is to look at scratchbox instead. should i? |
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| 03:13.02 | delimax | gnarface: i have no experience with cross compilers. the scratchbox stuff looks a lot newer, i would check it out first. |
| 03:14.40 | gnarface | delimax: ok thanks |
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| 03:19.36 | zaltekk | upgrade to sid went smoothly |
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| 03:19.45 | zaltekk | nice to be back in the modern age |
| 03:20.05 | zaltekk | also just flashed my phone to android ice cream sandwich |
| 03:20.07 | zaltekk | oh the new toys... |
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| 03:21.29 | wakari | hello |
| 03:21.40 | wakari | !dpkg apt.conf |
| 03:21.41 | dpkg | apt.conf is probably see man 5 apt.conf |
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| 03:29.54 | ddggttff3 | hello, was wondering if anyone could help me with a mdadm raid setup on my new debain setup. please. |
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| 03:31.37 | ddggttff3 | hello? |
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| 03:32.10 | abrotman | ask a bit more .. you didn't give many details |
| 03:32.22 | Bogus8 | what program is `ta`? |
| 03:32.27 | Bogus8 | referrenced here http://fak3r.com/geek/howto-sort-web-server-logs-to-find-top-users/ |
| 03:32.58 | abrotman | where do you see ta ? |
| 03:33.00 | abrotman | i see tail |
| 03:33.27 | Bogus8 | abrotman: ah.. it's truncated on my screen to just "ta" |
| 03:33.41 | simonlnu | scroll over |
| 03:33.53 | abrotman | Bogus8: and really, it's not needed |
| 03:34.14 | Bogus8 | I understand where it is now... but there is no scroll bar. |
| 03:34.16 | ddggttff3 | OK. well I got raid working successfully, but on every boot only one of the drives attatches, so every boot I have to go into disk utility, select the raid, click edit components, then select the drive and click add component. after that the raid drive mounts and works successfully |
| 03:34.26 | ddggttff3 | any idea what would cause the drive not to attach to the raid at boot? |
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| 03:34.47 | Bogus8 | abrotman: Yeah, I ran it with out the tail and it was just as functional for my purposes... I just was confused by the ta. LOL |
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| 03:36.38 | zamabe | Hellointernet people of something that's probably Earth. What should I be doing to configure network/interfaces to set up an interface (eth0:0) but not use it for traffic? I have two IPs, but I never want to use eth0:0 for traffic by default. |
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| 03:37.00 | zamabe | If not to ask: What should I be googling for. |
| 03:38.42 | abrotman | so why configure it at alll ? |
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| 03:39.55 | zamabe | abrotman, this isn't a question of whether I need the interface or not, because I have already decided that I do. |
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| 03:42.07 | ddggttff3 | so could nayone help me out with my raid setup, or point me where to go for help? |
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| 03:42.23 | CarlFK | from the login gui, is there a hot key(s) to power cycle? need to get back to grub |
| 03:42.48 | somiaj | CarlFK: what display manager. ctrl-alt-delete sometimes trigers a reboot on systems. |
| 03:43.04 | CarlFK | somiaj: it's blue :) c-a-d didn't do anyting |
| 03:43.08 | somiaj | but gdm/kdm I thought had a power like button on the gui login screen you can do things. |
| 03:43.21 | somiaj | CarlFK: are you talking about the installer? |
| 03:43.25 | CarlFK | no mouse |
| 03:43.33 | CarlFK | somiaj: no, full install |
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| 03:43.47 | abrotman | zamabe: so assign it an IP, do not give it a route |
| 03:43.49 | somiaj | so is xorg not launching and your display manager is broken? |
| 03:43.59 | CarlFK | blue with white twinkle starts, debian swrirl in the lower right corner |
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| 03:45.18 | CarlFK | somiaj: no, display manager launching, at the gui login, trying to tab my way to what I think is the power meny button |
| 03:46.11 | CarlFK | but tab doesn't get focus out of the user/pw dialog |
| 03:46.17 | gimpy47 | I'm trying to get started with KVM on Squeeze. KVM runs as libvirt-qemu and I made that user a member of a group which has write access to the VM files but I still get "Permission denied" when I try to start the VM, why? http://dpaste.com/673171/ |
| 03:46.22 | flaarg | ctrl-alt-f1 to get to a terminal |
| 03:46.41 | flaarg | then ctrl-alt-del should reboot |
| 03:47.04 | CarlFK | good cyep. yay, thanks |
| 03:47.19 | lstarnes | gimpy47: no read access to that file? |
| 03:47.46 | gimpy47 | lstarnes: Mode is 660. |
| 03:47.54 | lstarnes | gimpy47: but who owns it? |
| 03:48.30 | flaarg | gimpy47: have you relogged on that user? |
| 03:48.34 | gimpy47 | lstarnes: Look at the paste. The group owner is 'myself' and 'libvirt-qemu' is a member. |
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| 03:48.41 | gimpy47 | flaarg: I rebooted the whole box. |
| 03:48.44 | lstarnes | oh oops |
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| 03:50.33 | lstarnes | gimpy47: I'm really not sure what else could be causing that. I did notice that you were running as root there |
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| 03:51.22 | gimpy47 | lstarnes: Yes, I know I need to create VMs as root, it looks like I need to start them as root to. Otherwise the VMs are started in a limited 'user' qemu and not the system onw. |
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| 03:52.14 | gimpy47 | Even an strace of virsh isn't clear why it is failing. |
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| 04:33.21 | gpa | Hi guys |
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| 04:33.32 | gpa | Anybody know how to enable bash completion in "chroot" session? |
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| 04:34.49 | gpa | i mean how to set environment in "chroot" session |
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| 04:35.13 | flaarg | . /etc/bash_completion |
| 04:35.24 | flaarg | or a copy of the file /etc/bash_completion.d/ |
| 04:35.26 | flaarg | err |
| 04:35.28 | flaarg | or a copy of the file /etc/bash_completion |
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| 04:39.51 | gpa | flaarg: how? what am i gonna do with that? chroot did't load it |
| 04:40.19 | flaarg | copy the file and probably the directory /etc/bash_completion.d/ to where the chroot is then inside the chroot you can source it with . |
| 04:41.25 | flaarg | you might have to edit the bash_completion file to get it to load the the files inside bash_completion.d |
| 04:41.42 | flaarg | it really depends on what you are doing |
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| 04:42.06 | Haraken | after upgrading to debian squeeze my system will not longer uatomatically assemble the raid array on boot. I can assemble it with mdadm -A /dev/md0 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 but that's it... any ideas on what I can check? |
| 04:42.23 | Haraken | I've tried updating my mdadm.conf and initramfs but I get the same results |
| 04:42.45 | flaarg | if you have a etc dir in your chroot you can just put the files inside the etc and then do . /etc/bash_completion |
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| 04:43.50 | JaredKz | hey viirtualbox breaks when debian is updated to testing, says vboxdrv does not exist, and to install the virtualbox-ose-dkms package and the appropriate headers, moost likely linux-headers-686 |
| 04:43.59 | gimpy47 | Does qemu in KVM run as a different user than libvirt-qemu in Squeeze? |
| 04:44.24 | lstarnes | gimpy47: it runs as whatever user you start it as |
| 04:44.32 | JaredKz | problem being, virtualbox-ose-dkms is already installed, and aptitude can't find linux-headers-686 |
| 04:44.37 | flaarg | gimpy47: kvm or libvirt |
| 04:44.50 | flaarg | http://wiki.debian.org/KVM |
| 04:46.09 | flaarg | JaredKz: try linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 04:46.22 | gimpy47 | lstarnes: I'm trying to start VMs as root as I want them to be system VMs, not limited user ones. I'm using virsh to start then and getting permission denied on the .img but libvirt-qemu is a member of the group which has rw rights. |
| 04:46.46 | flaarg | qemu is not kvm atm |
| 04:46.59 | gimpy47 | flaarg: I though KVM used some of qemu? |
| 04:47.20 | flaarg | I think its a modified version although i think they will be merging soon |
| 04:47.39 | gimpy47 | flaarg: qemu is the one complaining here: http://dpaste.com/673183/ |
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| 04:48.12 | flaarg | yah kvm uses qemu, but its not qemu if that makes sense |
| 04:48.24 | flaarg | it has its own version of qemu |
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| 04:48.43 | gimpy47 | ....ok then. |
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| 04:49.35 | flaarg | there are problems with qemu that won't allow kvm to work correctly so they modified it for their own uses, they are trying to get changes upstream though |
| 04:49.46 | gimpy47 | flaarg: But then why is it still claiming permisison denied when the user libvirt-qemu *is* a member of a group which is the grup owner with rw on system.img and the entire path to it? |
| 04:49.55 | flaarg | because it doesn't look for libvirt-qemu |
| 04:50.03 | flaarg | it looks for kvm or libvirt |
| 04:50.32 | gimpy47 | flaarg: Neither of those users exist. |
| 04:51.13 | flaarg | do you have libvirt-bin installed? |
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| 04:51.51 | flaarg | also why do you want to run it as root? |
| 04:52.03 | gimpy47 | flaarg: Yes. |
| 04:52.18 | gimpy47 | flaarg: I want a *system* VM, not a limited user one. |
| 04:52.34 | gimpy47 | ...or at least that is what #kvm makes me think I need. |
| 04:52.42 | gimpy47 | I reallly have no idea. |
| 04:52.47 | flaarg | what does that mean? you get a full vm its just running under a user in the host |
| 04:52.48 | gpa | flaarg: I'll try |
| 04:53.18 | gimpy47 | All I know is if I start a VM as my own user then it is not shown under qemu:///system and not shown by virt-manager. |
| 04:53.35 | gimpy47 | Also, aparently there are limitations when not ran in qemu:///system. |
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| 04:54.02 | gimpy47 | VMs are crated by root but ran as a limited user, right? |
| 04:54.16 | lstarnes | not necessarily |
| 04:54.23 | jarray52 | Would someone recommend a good open source ERP(Enterprise Resource Planning) system? |
| 04:54.28 | flaarg | ah ok |
| 04:54.35 | flaarg | you want it connected to host services |
| 04:54.48 | gimpy47 | flaarg: I'm not sure what that means. |
| 04:55.05 | flaarg | pci etc |
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| 04:55.14 | flaarg | stuff a user cannot access |
| 04:55.49 | flaarg | gimpy47: http://libvirt.org/drvqemu.html I think the answer is in this under POSIX users/groups |
| 04:56.36 | gimpy47 | I keep getting different info. 'run it as yourself', 'run it as a special user', 'create as root'....I'm very confused. |
| 04:57.08 | gimpy47 | I just want VMs running under a limited account which I can manager with virt-manage and connect to a bridge interface....that's it. |
| 04:57.09 | lstarnes | gimpy47: it doesn't generally matter who you run it as |
| 04:57.20 | lstarnes | then you want a separate account for it, I think |
| 04:57.33 | gimpy47 | lstarnes: It does, I certainly don't want the VMs to actually run as root. |
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| 04:58.01 | gimpy47 | lstarnes: But I thought starting a VM as root makes it start within qemu:///system but as a limited user? |
| 04:58.26 | flaarg | heh |
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| 04:58.33 | lstarnes | I have no idea about how libvirt does it |
| 04:58.34 | flaarg | try adding root to group libvirt |
| 04:58.43 | lstarnes | I use a custom shell script for my VMs |
| 04:58.47 | gimpy47 | ...which is controlled by qemu.conf and I have no user or group defined so it is using whatever the default it which I thought was libvirt-qemu. |
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| 04:59.05 | flaarg | its libvirt for kvm, not libvirt-qemu |
| 04:59.27 | gimpy47 | flaarg: ...? |
| 04:59.36 | flaarg | libvirt-qemu is for qemu not kvm |
| 04:59.46 | gimpy47 | So there's multiple libvirts and multiple qemus? |
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| 05:00.11 | gimpy47 | Yea, but kvm uses qemu, even if it is a special qemu. |
| 05:00.21 | flaarg | it doesn't use the qemu that uses libvirt-qemu |
| 05:00.44 | gimpy47 | flaarg: I'm talking about /etc/libvirt/qemu.conf |
| 05:00.48 | lstarnes | gimpy47: and more recent qemu has -enable-kvm |
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| 05:02.09 | bucky | I'm trying to compile a patched kernel with fakeroot make-kpkg and it dies with "dpkg-gencontrol: error: package linux-image-2.6.17-om not in control info", how can I get around this? |
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| 05:03.12 | gimpy47 | I'll start from the beginning...I log in as 'white', I want a VM which runs as a user more limited than that user (libvirt-qemu seems to be the one), I want the VM to be able to connect to the bridge interface, |
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| 05:03.50 | technologov|2 | hi ! We have some dispute in debian-legal ML. |
| 05:03.55 | gimpy47 | Which user should run virt-install? Which user should run virsh? Will the VMs be under qemu:///system? If not, what do I connect to with virt-manager? |
| 05:03.57 | technologov|2 | About whenever dependency on web-API is OK or not |
| 05:04.23 | technologov|2 | http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2011/12/threads.html |
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| 05:57.29 | born2troll | hey guys is my driver here already? |
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| 06:06.51 | born2troll | guys i wanna compile something from source... you saied i shall change someithing in order not to crash my dependencys right? |
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| 06:08.15 | somiaj | born2troll: what do you want to compile form source? |
| 06:08.34 | gimpy47 | somiaj: Don't feed the trolls... |
| 06:08.52 | born2troll | somiaj im anoyed from wesnoth that i can write a message with "m" but not with "M" |
| 06:09.05 | born2troll | so i change it and compile it myself |
| 06:09.36 | somiaj | born2troll: are you just patching the debian source. /msg dpkg ssbp [follow that just apply your patch in the process, make yousrelf a custom package] |
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| 06:12.13 | born2troll | somiaj i know that i think... i just want apt to see its not the ordinary wesnoth |
| 06:12.53 | somiaj | if you install a new .deb package it will just replace the old version with your cusotm version |
| 06:14.12 | somiaj | if you put another verion ion /usr/local (or what not) you can use equivs -- but I'd suggest making a .deb package so you can manage it with dpkg/apt |
| 06:14.20 | born2troll | now the hard part: where is the event handler just responding to m and not to M |
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| 06:23.32 | me-1 | hi...how can I make a Debian USB..? |
| 06:23.51 | somiaj | me-1: do you want a live usb, check out debian live. |
| 06:25.31 | me-1 | somiaj, I dont want a live usb . I want to prepare a Debian USB in order to install it . as my CD rom is not working |
| 06:26.12 | somiaj | me-1: they installers are hybrid, you can put them on a usb or cd |
| 06:27.06 | me-1 | somiaj, I didnt get you..?? |
| 06:27.15 | me-1 | please explain |
| 06:27.40 | somiaj | me-1: the cd1/netinstall cd for debian you installed can be either put on a CD or a USB (the image works on both devices) |
| 06:27.48 | somiaj | !tell me-1 about usb install |
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| 06:29.16 | me-1 | somiaj, oh thank you |
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| 06:38.52 | john_rambo | What does this mean >>>http://pastebin.com/hgsFwFqV |
| 06:39.44 | john_rambo | kept back ?? |
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| 06:42.40 | simonlnu | means it can't doing anything about it yet |
| 06:42.44 | simonlnu | !kept back |
| 06:42.45 | dpkg | well, kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "full-upgrade" and old packages need to be removed as part of the upgrade. To investigate, "aptitude -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 Ask me about <full-upgrade>. |
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| 06:48.50 | JordiGH | How do you install truetype fonts that you download from the internet? |
| 06:49.05 | JordiGH | i.e. how do you make them available from font dialogues in GTK+ and Qt apps? |
| 06:49.14 | simonlnu | put 'em in ~/.fonts re-run fc-cache -f |
| 06:51.07 | simonlnu | there's some other fc- stuff that you might find handy |
| 06:51.25 | john_rambo | Thanks |
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| 06:57.03 | MrFrood | JordiGH: /usr/local/share/fonts if you want make them available to all users |
| 06:57.22 | JordiGH | Let's see... |
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| 08:23.53 | ksk | !versions sun-java6 |
| 08:24.05 | ksk | dpkg: !versions sun-java6 |
| 08:24.05 | dpkg | ksk: i don't know |
| 08:24.11 | ksk | gnar |
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| 08:28.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: versions sun-java6 |
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| 08:29.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | ksk: ^^ |
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| 08:39.02 | dullboy | I added some certificates to /usr/share/ca-certificates/sk.ee/ but reconfiguring ca-certificates doesn't show them in the list... what's wrong? |
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| 08:50.12 | jaalto | How do I generate "configure" from configure.ac? |
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| 08:53.12 | simonlnu | jaalto: autoreconf is helpful. there might be an autogen.sh in the dir too. |
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| 09:20.43 | ksk | Kamping_Kaiser: thx ;) |
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| 09:25.08 | ruslan_osmanov | hi. how do I instruct dpkg/apt to install latest available version of imagemagick? |
| 09:25.32 | ruslan_osmanov | I tried to set Priority: 1001 for the package in /etc/apt/preferences |
| 09:25.48 | ruslan_osmanov | then apt-get update && apt-get install imagemagick. but no result |
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| 09:28.57 | IRConan | ruslan_osmanov: what does `apt-cache policy imagemagick` say? |
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| 09:30.17 | ruslan_osmanov | IRConan, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/769843/ |
| 09:30.49 | IRConan | ruslan_osmanov: what version are you trying to install? which repo do you think you're getting it from? |
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| 09:32.43 | ruslan_osmanov | IRConan, current is 6.6.0.4-3. I want 6.6.2-7 |
| 09:32.49 | ruslan_osmanov | or greater |
| 09:32.52 | gnarface | anyone here familiar with scratchbox? |
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| 09:33.07 | IRConan | ruslan_osmanov: well you'd have to get that from the wheezy repo |
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| 09:33.55 | ruslan_osmanov | IRConan, should I do it via /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 09:33.59 | IRConan | you'd have to add that repo to /etc/apt/sources.list and set its priority low in /etc/apt/preferences then add a high priority one for imagemagick in that repo |
| 09:34.13 | IRConan | at the moment it doesn't look like you have the wheezy repo configured |
| 09:34.27 | ruslan_osmanov | IRConan, yep, all is squeeze |
| 09:34.33 | IRConan | ruslan_osmanov: just be careful you don't accidentally upgrade everything! |
| 09:35.07 | IRConan | ruslan_osmanov: the alternative (and what I would do) is download the source package for the wheezy version and rebuild it against squeeze |
| 09:35.10 | IRConan | then put that in my own repo |
| 09:35.51 | ruslan_osmanov | IRConan, thank you |
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| 09:58.20 | redredme | Hi everybody |
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| 09:59.18 | redredme | Is there any way to find out if a Linux running device uses a SATA or a SAS disk? using a ssh connection (not physical access). |
| 09:59.31 | redredme | lshw is not possible |
| 10:00.40 | gnarface | redredme: dmesg doesn't tell you? |
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| 10:00.57 | redredme | No, it doesn't. |
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| 10:01.38 | redredme | At least, it doesn't show anything about disk |
| 10:01.53 | redredme | No sdx information or similar. |
| 10:01.59 | cthuluh | is curious about the "lshw is not possible" |
| 10:02.27 | cthuluh | could you paste your dmesg anyway? there might be hints in it |
| 10:02.36 | redredme | It was uninstalled by the previous sysadmin and I'm not allowed to install any tool |
| 10:03.01 | redredme | all the dmesg output? |
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| 10:03.43 | cthuluh | pastebins are cheap |
| 10:05.13 | redredme | cthuluh: Yes, I now about pastebin. ;) it's just in case you need just specific lines. |
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| 10:06.40 | cthuluh | the whole dmesg is always nicer ; you don't have to wonder about which relevant part the poster might have removed |
| 10:07.00 | cthuluh | also, I find it funny that you're not allowed to install any tool |
| 10:07.23 | redredme | http://pastebin.com/zFcs3nbL |
| 10:07.28 | cthuluh | since there's evidently a lack of seriousness, here (your company should have a list of the hardware it is running) |
| 10:08.08 | cthuluh | ah, well, this part of dmesg won't be really interesting, right |
| 10:08.18 | redredme | cthuluh: Yes, it should be some kind of inventory |
| 10:08.19 | koollman | redredme: so, you cannot install tools, and you don't have an easy way to do hardware inventory. You want to keep that job ? :) |
| 10:08.24 | cthuluh | perhaps /var/log/messages? |
| 10:08.32 | koollman | redredme: is hdparm installed ? |
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| 10:08.39 | koollman | or sdparm, perhaps. |
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| 10:08.55 | koollman | if you get the disk model name, you will know what kind it is |
| 10:09.29 | xingu | redredme: hdparm -I might be useful. |
| 10:09.30 | redredme | hdparm and sdparm are both not installed |
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| 10:11.02 | redredme | I was told to try to find out the model or some kind of information checking the logs |
| 10:11.18 | koollman | redredme: find someone to go open the server, or someone that authorize you to install software. or get around that limitation on installing software by another way |
| 10:11.36 | koollman | I hate working around meaningless limitations anyway. |
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| 10:11.48 | xingu | redredme: /sys/block/${device}/device/model/ |
| 10:11.49 | koollman | redredme: do you have permission to ... say ... copy files to this server? :) |
| 10:11.51 | xingu | err |
| 10:12.03 | xingu | redredme: /sys/block/${device}/device/model ... that will show the info string the drive reports. |
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| 10:12.20 | koollman | oh. good one. didn't think of it :) |
| 10:12.54 | redredme | Interesting! |
| 10:13.29 | redredme | Ok. There is multiple cloop, loop and ram devices |
| 10:13.41 | redredme | And one sda and another md0 |
| 10:14.03 | xingu | sda is your fixed disk; md0 is a MD-RAID device. |
| 10:14.08 | redredme | I guess the important is sda, isn't it? |
| 10:14.13 | xingu | yeup. |
| 10:14.51 | cthuluh | wonders why there would be a md device with only one physical block device... |
| 10:15.13 | xingu | maybe its partner in crime silently failed ;) |
| 10:15.31 | cthuluh | sounds like a half-dead raid 1, why would be even more laughable |
| 10:15.33 | redredme | xingu: ;) |
| 10:15.35 | cthuluh | which* |
| 10:15.50 | xingu | I've pulled similar stunts in the past where I wanted to leave the possibility open to concat or mirror later. |
| 10:16.17 | redredme | the output of the model is PERC 5/i |
| 10:16.17 | xingu | (neither of which should require downtime ;) ) |
| 10:16.36 | xingu | redredme: ok that's a logical volume on an lsi raid controller |
| 10:16.48 | xingu | redredme: you'll need their MegaCLI app to dig deeper |
| 10:16.55 | xingu | err MegaCli |
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| 10:17.46 | redredme | Do you think it would be possible to dig deeper in logs? |
| 10:17.53 | xingu | redredme: if the dell brokenmanage stuff is installed omreport storage pdisk controller=0 will suffice, also. |
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| 10:18.15 | xingu | redredme: no; it's hidden from linux, the raid bios just reports the lv's |
| 10:18.37 | redredme | xingu: ok |
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| 10:19.52 | xingu | redredme: does /proc/megaraid/* exist/ have anything useful topology-wise? |
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| 10:20.15 | openstandards | hello, will openssh with lpk patches ever get pushed to the repo? |
| 10:20.37 | xingu | redredme: http://hwraid.le-vert.net/wiki/DebianPackages |
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| 10:20.56 | redredme | xingu: I think dell software is not installed |
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| 10:21.33 | xingu | redredme: the procfs file would be a byproduct of the driver - if it exists |
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| 10:22.05 | xingu | redredme: it's been a LONG time since I touched perc5, and when I did I just used MegaCli |
| 10:22.10 | Kejk_PL | Hey, sorry for crossposting, but #ubuntu can't help me. When I transfer big files (~1.3 GB) to my flash drive (quite slow one) after minute or two system lock up for 20 to 60 seconds. This is repeatable. I haven't tried mounting with "sync" option. I heard that there was a problem with scheduler, but I can't remember if it was fixed. Can you help? |
| 10:22.21 | redredme | xingu: I've found megaraid folder inside /sys/bus/pci/drivers |
| 10:22.34 | xingu | redredme: cool; take a nose in there for the pv topology. |
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| 10:22.45 | redredme | xingu: ok. |
| 10:22.48 | xingu | redredme: you never know your luck ;) |
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| 10:24.30 | xingu | redredme: nb there's SAS and SCSI variants of perc5 if memory serves; the spindles may not be ATA at all iotw. |
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| 10:25.38 | redredme | xingu: I'm sorry, but I don't understand your last sentence |
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| 10:26.05 | xingu | redredme: the drives may well be u320 scsi bus interface rather than pata or sata/sas. |
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| 10:28.02 | metro-2012 | ïðèâåò |
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| 10:29.45 | redredme | xingu: I suppose it is tricky to be sure about it with such this scenario, isn't it? |
| 10:30.01 | xingu | redredme: quite. :) |
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| 10:30.20 | redredme | xingu: ok. |
| 10:30.34 | xingu | redredme: go beat up the induhvidual who broke the golden rule: always install the vendor-proprietary raid tool. |
| 10:31.18 | xingu | redredme: if the system has a DRAC, next stop for you is schedule downtime, grab the console, boot, and go into the PERC BIOS (ctrl-r at boot) |
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| 10:31.43 | xingu | redredme: if not, hello field engineer. :) |
| 10:31.44 | redredme | xingu: I've checked files inside ../megaraid/ and there is nothing interesting. Most are empty folders |
| 10:31.49 | xingu | nods |
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| 10:33.04 | redredme | xingu: the problem is not to go there, but to schedule downtime. |
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| 10:34.17 | redredme | xingu: anyway, I really appreciate your help. With this information I will try to make a report in order to responsible decide whether to schedule downtime (or any additional action). |
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| 10:36.15 | woshty | any condensed mono fonts suitable for use with gtk+ apps in the debian repos? |
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| 10:37.51 | bil21al | helo have a look on this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libproxy/+bug/893031 |
| 10:38.03 | bil21al | have a look on it |
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| 10:38.27 | nkuttler | bil21al: how is that relevant to #debian? |
| 10:39.11 | bil21al | its revelent to debian because libproxy updated by your self |
| 10:39.58 | bil21al | nkuttler: isnt it? |
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| 10:40.48 | bil21al | nkuttler: not also a gnome problem see upstream https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=665415 |
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| 10:46.17 | nkuttler | bil21al: do you use debian? |
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| 10:48.21 | bil21al | nkuttler: bro i use ubuntu.and sebatian batcher a developer of ubuntu has told me that its the debian who update it. if its not your than leave i will ask him again |
| 10:50.21 | nkuttler | bil21al: #debian only supports debian. what are you trying to accomplish anyway? there is a bug report in ubuntu and upstream.. |
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| 10:51.30 | bil21al | yes seb128 has also told me that he mentioned it to upstream i just want to say that this bug reaches to the right pakage or developer or triagers |
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| 10:52.42 | nkuttler | bil21al: that's something the devs can do by themselves. you shouldn't report a bug against debian if you're not using it. |
| 10:54.48 | bil21al | this problem was comming so i report it.they will notify if they get the bug that this problem. |
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| 10:59.25 | bil21al | nkuttler;ok the bug is assigned nice talk to you bye |
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| 11:02.46 | balboah | any idea why my screen goes black (console redirect with supermicro ipmi) when upgrading the kernel to 2.6.39 (from .32) for debian stable? I've added options not to use framebuffer stuff. Grub.cfg: http://pastebin.com/fR4Be6KC the entry used is 2.6.39 XEN |
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| 11:08.52 | fish_ | hi |
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| 11:09.10 | jaalto | How to completely ignore whitespace changes during rebase. I've tried both --whitespace=nowarn and --ignore-whitespace but I still get "fatal: 125 lines add whitespace errors." and rebase aborts |
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| 11:10.20 | fish_ | have a lenny system in a weird state. perl-base is currently 5.10.0-19lenny5, but the candidate is 5.10.1-17squeeze2. according to the version table, the version with the highest pin value is 5.10.0-19lenny3. why is the candidate from a repository with a lower pin? |
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| 11:12.41 | nkuttler | fish_: well what did you expect when you started to pin.. |
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| 11:13.50 | fish_ | https://gist.github.com/1476171 <- this is the apt-cache policy output |
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| 11:14.14 | fish_ | nkuttler: uh? I expect that it installs from the repository with the highest pin value |
| 11:14.18 | fish_ | isn't that right? |
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| 11:14.23 | fish_ | maybe it never downgrades.. |
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| 11:15.55 | folivora | Could someone maybe tell me, I have script which works perfectly as cronjob on debian-wheezy, when I run manually same script in Debian 5.0 it works, but as cron-job it wont work in Debian 5.0... |
| 11:15.58 | fish_ | yes, looks like this was the problem |
| 11:16.29 | nkuttler | fish_: right, downgrade isn't supported. pinning is also a mess and shouldn't be used on stable systems. |
| 11:17.44 | nkuttler | fish_: why would you need an older perl-base btw? |
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| 11:18.58 | go^ | Can anybody help me? How can I install libtorrent-rasterbar-dev > 0.15.0 ? I have debian squeeze and in repository libtorrent-rasterbar-dev is 0.14.0 |
| 11:19.03 | fish_ | nkuttler: but in the real world sometimes necessary... |
| 11:19.26 | nkuttler | fish_: i think the right way to do this would be to forward port the lenny version to squeeze. |
| 11:19.43 | fish_ | nkuttler: for whatever reason (I have to investigate our bootstrap process) there was a perl-base installed which is never than the latest version available in the repository |
| 11:20.05 | sje46 | I'm not sure if this is the right channel, but I downloaded a game for the humble indie bundle, super meat boy. I downloaded the .deb and installed it just fine, but when I use the command "super-meat-boy" it doesn't work, nor does it appear there's any command at all. And, umm...why? |
| 11:20.20 | fish_ | nkuttler: agreed, and we're on it and done for 90% of our systems. but there are still some systems with driver issues we hadn't time to far to take care of it |
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| 11:20.43 | sje46 | When I use apropos to search for it, I can't find it at all =/ |
| 11:20.54 | nkuttler | fish_: well lenny is oldstable. maybe you are referring to stable during the install, that would install squeeze |
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| 11:21.01 | izz_ | hey guys I just installed debian on a mac mini with grub and it's not booting, so I'm back in the installer trying to re-run grub |
| 11:21.17 | izz_ | it won't let me mount the HD though, mount command just responds with 'No such file or directory' |
| 11:21.26 | izz_ | assuming it means the target dir.. which is there |
| 11:21.51 | izz_ | I'm running: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt |
| 11:21.57 | fish_ | nkuttler: no, we refer to oldstable. and the perl version installed was a lenny version, look at my gist: https://gist.github.com/1476171 |
| 11:22.12 | izz_ | btw the installer explained that my hd will be mounted at /target, which I can't even find |
| 11:22.56 | izz_ | (I'm in the installer shell) |
| 11:23.44 | fish_ | oh.. maybe the package list is broken on the de.debian.org mirror |
| 11:25.05 | fish_ | the locally installed deb is available on the mirror, but apt-cache doesn't know about it |
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| 11:27.09 | fish_ | yes, looks like the Packages.bz2 doesn't include that version, altough it's on the mirror |
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| 11:29.05 | blackshirt | go^: you can choose to compile by your self, or use sid repos with pinning |
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| 11:30.33 | hipodilski | hi how can I screenshot a single program I'm running which starts in front screen I'm using GNOME |
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| 11:31.10 | hipodilski | I want to make some screenshots of a Linux game running on fullscreen? |
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| 11:32.34 | petern__ | tried printscreen? |
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| 11:36.49 | hipodilski | petern__: yes |
| 11:38.05 | hipodilski | petern__: not working :| |
| 11:38.55 | petern__ | full screen sdl tends to grab all keys |
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| 11:39.06 | petern__ | s/tends to/does/ |
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| 11:39.55 | boudiccas | hipodilski; what window manager are you using? |
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| 11:42.30 | hipodilski | actually I found a way |
| 11:42.35 | hipodilski | ( sleep 20; import -window root MyScreenshot2.png ) & |
| 11:42.48 | hipodilski | and then run the game and go to screenwhere I want to screenshot |
| 11:42.53 | hipodilski | boudiccas: GNOME |
| 11:43.05 | hipodilski | good old imagemagick ;) |
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| 11:45.40 | boudiccas | hipodilski; i was going to suggest ksnapshot if you were running KDE |
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| 11:52.13 | aibo_ | hi, how to determine which network driver module is used by my deb? |
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| 12:04.35 | nevyn | what nic do you have? |
| 12:05.03 | aibo_ | nic? |
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| 12:05.13 | aibo_ | I already found in dmesg |
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| 12:05.41 | nodiscc | aibo_: it should show un in lspci -k, under your ethernet controller |
| 12:05.49 | aibo_ | ok, thx |
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| 12:05.57 | nodiscc | *up |
| 12:06.02 | newbie999|2 | How can I allow for user with "sudoers" access _only_ to "/sbin/command -d" but not for "/sbin/command" with other options ?? |
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| 12:08.01 | nevyn | using a specific grant that includes that literal |
| 12:08.29 | nevyn | but a really clever person might be able to work around it. depending on what command was. |
| 12:08.32 | nevyn | so |
| 12:09.06 | newbie999|2 | And no solution for 100% ? |
| 12:09.32 | nevyn | there are just way too many ways to get a shell in unix |
| 12:09.59 | nevyn | use people process to backup system security processes |
| 12:10.14 | nodiscc | newbie999|2, nevyn, maybe write a wrapper script cointaining 'command -d', and then granting sudo access only to this ? |
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| 12:12.53 | cHarNe2 | hi guys, im havinf a bit of trouble on one interface on my server |
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| 12:13.22 | cHarNe2 | eth0 has no ip-adress when i do 'ifconfig |
| 12:13.47 | cHarNe2 | the file interfaces has it configured |
| 12:14.20 | cHarNe2 | but i cant do a 'ifdown eth0 |
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| 12:20.33 | dokma | 15minute average load sometimes goes over 4 on dual core / 4 threads e7200, that's still not critical right? |
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| 12:21.03 | dokma | pardon that's an atom |
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| 12:31.38 | DemonWitch | i got an extracted tar.gz folder (could not find .deb for that). where can i copy that folder to be with other programs? /usr/bin? |
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| 12:31.54 | DemonWitch | and should i make a link of the run script somewhere? |
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| 12:33.01 | ksk | put it into /usr/local/ (/usr/local/bin) |
| 12:33.23 | ksk | which should be in your PATH, so you dont need to link anything |
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| 12:34.01 | ksk | you took a look into backports/other releases of debian? imho that would be better than installing from 3rd party sources |
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| 12:35.45 | sylecn | if it is source code, usually you should compile and install it. if it's self contained (usually statically linked) binary, add a symbolic link to the main program in $HOME/bin or /usr/local/bin should be all you need. |
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| 12:35.48 | dtcrshr | hello fellas! I want to copy my private key to another host, where do i put this key in debian? |
| 12:35.55 | DemonWitch | ksk, i cant find jin-chess anywhere |
| 12:36.13 | nodiscc | is there any file manager supporting THIS http://www.haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/en/attributes.html in debian? (tagging files with fs extended attributes?) |
| 12:36.56 | DemonWitch | ksk, the program is a folder containing libraries and an executable script. should i place the whole folder in /usr/local/bin ? |
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| 12:37.36 | sylecn | dtcrshr: if it's private ssh key, put it in ~/.ssh/ |
| 12:37.55 | dtcrshr | i have to name it id_rsa or something? |
| 12:38.32 | sylecn | depends on whether the key is RSA key or DSA key |
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| 12:39.34 | sylecn | you can use file or cat to know the key type |
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| 12:40.15 | ksk | DemonWitch: i would do this, but you could do as u like |
| 12:40.42 | ksk | in general /usr/local is user provided stuff, thats not managed by debians package managment - dunno if it has a strict convention one should follow ;) |
| 12:40.59 | DemonWitch | These solutions include placing the whole mess in /opt with shell scripts in /usr/bin or profiles placed in /etc/profile. Others are placed in directories in /usr/share with scripts placed in /usr/bin. |
| 12:41.02 | DemonWitch | quoted |
| 12:41.08 | DemonWitch | for java programs |
| 12:41.36 | ksk | ye, using this construct too on some machines - why not? :> |
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| 12:43.48 | dtcrshr | hmm worked, thanks sylecn |
| 12:44.05 | sylecn | np |
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| 12:47.09 | Dev0n | are there anything else similar to "mediainfo" ? |
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| 12:51.38 | NoReflex | Dev0n, smplayer has a "Properties" window for media information |
| 12:52.05 | NoReflex | also mplayer prints detailed information when it starts playing a file |
| 12:52.30 | sylecn | mplayer also has a midentify command |
| 12:52.52 | Dev0n | looking for a command line app |
| 12:53.09 | Dev0n | mediainfo has problems with some audio tracks, not displaying the pitrate properlly |
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| 12:53.17 | Dev0n | bitrate* |
| 12:53.22 | DemonWitch | generally links for the executables go to /usr/bin or the executables themselves? |
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| 12:54.07 | kalib | Hi people. Everytime I try to use apt-get for install/remove/upgrade, etc... I got a gpm error. Any suggestion? http://pastebin.com/EqApCiK0 |
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| 12:56.46 | sylecn | you can try sudo apt-get update --fix-missing, then sudo aptitude safe-upgrade -f |
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| 12:57.00 | kalib | sylecn, hum.. let me try.. |
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| 12:57.42 | mah454 | I need build sysvinit but receive this error : http://pastebin.com/Tp6KVVu9 |
| 12:58.22 | go^ | Can anyone help me with installing g++? http://pastebin.com/mLqWkW0Z |
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| 12:58.31 | kalib | sylecn, no packages to upgrade. the system is up to date. But I still got this message everytime I try to use apt-get or aptitude. The strange is: I don't have a mouse plugged on it. It's a VPS. Did you see the link? |
| 12:58.33 | kalib | http://pastebin.com/EqApCiK0 |
| 12:59.10 | go^ | I installed libtorrent-rasterbar-dev from unstable repo (apt-get -t unstable install libtorrent-rasterbar-dev) |
| 12:59.18 | nkuttler | !tell go about localized errors |
| 13:00.03 | go^ | nkuttler, what ? |
| 13:00.03 | sylecn | mah454: try add -lcrypt in compiler flags. |
| 13:00.09 | nkuttler | go^: well you can't just mix different releases. /msg dpkg backports for the proper way |
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| 13:00.17 | nkuttler | go^: the bot sent you a msg |
| 13:00.26 | go^ | nkuttler, no bot sent me messages.. |
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| 13:00.35 | nkuttler | sure it did |
| 13:00.51 | go^ | nkuttler, no i'm sure :P |
| 13:00.57 | nkuttler | !tell go^ about localized errors |
| 13:01.05 | go^ | nkuttler, i was wrong mixing different releases.. |
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| 13:01.23 | go^ | nkuttler, but now how can i make it working and installing g++ ? |
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| 13:01.41 | sylecn | kalib: try reinstall the problematic package: sudo aptitude reinstall gpm |
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| 13:01.56 | nkuttler | go^: check your msgs *now* |
| 13:02.00 | kalib | sylecn, ok.. just a second.. |
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| 13:02.38 | nkuttler | kalib: if you don't have a mouse why don't you remove gpm? |
| 13:02.39 | go^ | I have this error installing g++ --> http://pastebin.com/ZhJVbZTJ |
| 13:02.44 | go^ | nkuttler, http://pastebin.com/ZhJVbZTJ in english sorry ;) |
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| 13:03.04 | kalib | nkuttler, I don't even know why I do have gpm installed.It wasn't me.. I'm new here. I just got this server. |
| 13:03.13 | kalib | nkuttler, I'll remove it. thanks. |
| 13:03.43 | nkuttler | go^: output of dpkg -l libc6 and apt-cache policy g++ |
| 13:04.05 | go^ | nkuttler, ii libc6 2.13-23 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 13:04.19 | go^ | nkuttler, i'll ues pastebin wait :P |
| 13:04.27 | kalib | nkuttler, sylecn everything is fine now.. just removed gpm. thanks for your time. |
| 13:04.36 | nkuttler | go^: yes, pastebin please. anyway, your system is already broken. you have the unstable libc6 |
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| 13:05.01 | mah454 | sylecn, not work ! |
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| 13:05.09 | go^ | nkuttler, http://pastebin.com/Bv5ZXRBM |
| 13:05.37 | go^ | nkuttler, so i can't remove libc6?must i reinstall debian? :| |
| 13:05.40 | sylecn | mah454: do you have a new error message? |
| 13:05.43 | nkuttler | go^: yes |
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| 13:05.54 | go^ | DOH |
| 13:05.55 | mah454 | sylecn, no ! |
| 13:05.58 | nkuttler | !tell go^ about backports |
| 13:06.01 | nkuttler | !tell go^ about ssbp |
| 13:06.41 | go^ | !tell go^ about ssbp |
| 13:07.01 | mah454 | sylecn, i add -lcrypt to "CFLAGS ?= -ansi -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer " |
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| 13:07.11 | mah454 | in make file |
| 13:07.13 | sylecn | mah454: in line 19. did you see "cc sulogin.o -o sulogin" becomes "cc -lcrypt sulogin.o -o sulogin", if not, try run that command yourself. |
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| 13:08.05 | sylecn | mah454: no, it should probably be added to LDFLAGS or similar |
| 13:08.32 | go^ | nkuttler, can't install squeeze libc6 ? |
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| 13:11.39 | nkuttler | !tell go^ about downgrade |
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| 13:11.57 | nkuttler | go^: short answer, no |
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| 13:12.25 | go^ | nkuttler, lol..it's a server :| i think i will upgrade to unstable -.- |
| 13:12.50 | nkuttler | go^: seriously, reinstall |
| 13:13.40 | go^ | nkuttler, i'll try unstable..then i'll reinstall..thank you so much, very kind :) |
| 13:14.02 | nkuttler | go^: you do *not* want unstable on a server |
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| 13:14.38 | nkuttler | well.. maybe if it's in your basement and not connected to the outside world or used for anything important |
| 13:14.39 | clerkent | when gnome 3 is added as an update, does it automatically manifest as fallback mode ? |
| 13:14.50 | go^ | nkuttler, it's a test server..i use it to share internet connection and for amule-daemon ;) not a serious server... |
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| 13:15.02 | nkuttler | go^: ok, have fun then |
| 13:15.15 | go^ | ty :) |
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| 13:17.32 | clerkent | If so then I wouldnt mind switching from stable to testing |
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| 13:21.33 | woshty | is there comprehensive for locale, setting LC_something etc the debian way? |
| 13:21.46 | woshty | comprehensive documentation |
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| 13:25.33 | clerkent | ok ...then it's unanimous ! |
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| 13:29.15 | intera91 | hi |
| 13:29.20 | intera91 | anyone there? |
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| 13:34.22 | gunfire007 | i want to install debian in my netbook, so will debian will detect all of my hardware ? |
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| 13:34.56 | gunfire007 | will it give me the option for the power management ? |
| 13:35.06 | joltcan | gunfire007: depends, google for your model, make and debian |
| 13:35.21 | gunfire007 | joltcan: ok |
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| 13:40.29 | keith4 | gunfire007: try a live CD first, if you really want to know for sure |
| 13:40.30 | jelly | woshty: there's not much to be said. If you know what GNU libc (or POSIX) deals with locales, the debian-specific bits are mostly covered by /msg dpkg locale |
| 13:40.52 | jelly | what ... does* |
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| 13:43.33 | Physical | Does anybody in here know anything about the new Bulldozer CPU's? Mainly, the perfermance of the FX-8120 stock heatsink. |
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| 13:48.33 | mikemol | apt-file shows errors for three out of three retrivals while running "apt-file update" ... http://paste.debian.net/149186/ |
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| 13:49.02 | mikemol | "server denied you to change to the given directory", "ignoring source without Contents file" and "No Index Available" |
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| 13:49.47 | mikemol | It's just pulling from ftp.us.debian.org and security.debian.org, so I'm puzzled why wouldn't work. |
| 13:49.48 | ksk | there were some issues with ftp.us yesterday already, dunno if they continue.. |
| 13:50.04 | mikemol | tries a different mirror |
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| 13:51.44 | mikemol | Yeah, switching to http://http.us fixed it, looks like. security.debian.org still gives me "No Index available", but I suspect that's normal. |
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| 13:54.00 | ksk | what was the package name for theese "dos2unix" tools? |
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| 13:54.33 | lcof | A client sent me a tgz file; when I try to extract it with "tar -xvzf", I get errors ("this does not look like a tar file, jumping to next header", etc). Now if I gunzip it, then "tar -xvf", everything goes well. tar (GNU tar) 1.19, gzip 1.3.12, debian etch on both side, ideas? |
| 13:54.35 | mikemol | ksk: I don't remember, but apt-file can help you. :) |
| 13:54.57 | mikemol | I believe the tool you're looking for is 'fromdos' |
| 13:55.10 | ksk | mhm, its named "dos2unix" *g* |
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| 13:57.54 | jelly | How do I find out which kjournald kernel thread corresponds to which mounted ext3 fs? |
| 13:58.23 | mikemol | At a guess, shred a large file on that filesystem, and watch CPU usage? |
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| 13:58.50 | jelly | mikemol: it's already using cpu |
| 13:59.25 | mikemol | Do you know which userland process is performing I/O writes? |
| 13:59.30 | jelly | no. |
| 13:59.37 | mikemol | 'htop' can help you there. |
| 13:59.40 | mikemol | Usually. |
| 13:59.54 | mikemol | I think there may be something more specific to I/O, but I don't know what it'd be. |
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| 14:00.08 | mikemol | ah |
| 14:00.14 | mikemol | There's an 'iotop' package... |
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| 14:00.21 | jelly | no, it can't. It does not track IO. atop does, but changes from journal to disk are shown as kjournald. Hence my question. |
| 14:00.41 | jelly | iotop shows the same information as atop, only it requires python |
| 14:00.48 | mikemol | ah, k. |
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| 14:02.01 | mikemol | My thought was that you could identify which userland process is writing to the filesystem, which leads to the kjournald thread work. Finding the userland process might help if you knew what the userland process was writing to. (via strace or checking configs) |
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| 14:05.29 | jelly | the processes are numerous and short-lived. |
| 14:05.42 | mikemol | Do you know what's spawning them? |
| 14:06.19 | jelly | it's a busy mail server. I was trying to figure out which particular fs is bottlenecking |
| 14:06.31 | mikemol | nods |
| 14:06.33 | mikemol | hm |
| 14:06.43 | mikemol | wait |
| 14:06.45 | mikemol | Mail server? |
| 14:06.59 | mikemol | It'll be whatever /var/spool sits on, generally. |
| 14:07.26 | mikemol | /var should be your fs of highest churn. |
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| 14:08.07 | DummyMode | hi guys |
| 14:08.12 | jelly | mikemol: how do I confirm that, is the question |
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| 14:08.50 | mikemol | jelly: I don't know the knobs and meters in the kernel to be able to identify it quickly and easily. However... |
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| 14:10.00 | jelly | mikemol: it might be that one, due to inbound postfix queue traffic. It might be that one due to postfix post-content_filter. It might be /opt/home due to delivering lots of mail to some local users that receive and store all the spam. It might be something else, like syslog. |
| 14:10.02 | mikemol | You might create a 2-3GB file (some number larger than your amount of RAM) on each filesystem (via /dev/zero), and time how long it takes to stream-write and stream-read that file. |
| 14:10.50 | mikemol | Ideally, if the system is bottlnecking on a particular filesystem, that one should peform particularly worse. |
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| 14:11.09 | jelly | mikemol: the storage is already at 100% and the filesystems are on the same storage. The point was to figure out which filesystem is the worst and why, to replace just that one with better (and more expensive) storage. |
| 14:11.15 | jelly | 100% busy |
| 14:11.25 | mikemol | Ah |
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| 14:12.03 | jelly | so, heuristics using MORE load in it won't help |
| 14:12.30 | jelly | if it wasn't already overloaded, I would not care about it at all |
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| 14:12.47 | mikemol | I don't know the answer you're looking for. Sorry. |
| 14:12.54 | jelly | ok! |
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| 14:14.34 | jordanm | jelly: iostat -x will give you the information you are looking for |
| 14:14.36 | petemc | signs jelly up for google apps |
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| 14:15.19 | jelly | jordanm: when all the filesystems are on the same underlying storage, all of them show up as 100% busy |
| 14:15.29 | jordanm | jelly: assuming you don't already have trending data through a monitor system like zabbix or munin |
| 14:15.46 | jelly | jordanm: please suggest a column. |
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| 14:16.32 | jordanm | jelly: oh, I think you best bet really may be to see which processes are using the most I/O |
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| 14:17.34 | jelly | jordanm: most of the io ends up as kjournald, not any particular userspace processes |
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| 14:18.06 | jordanm | jelly: then you must be *really* overloaded |
| 14:18.08 | jelly | (hence my initial question) |
| 14:18.15 | jelly | jordanm: no shit! |
| 14:18.33 | jordanm | jelly: best not let it get that bad :) |
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| 14:18.48 | jordanm | jelly: does the box host a database? |
| 14:19.00 | jelly | jordanm: I'll be adding more machines to the cluster any second now. It's just a mail server. |
| 14:19.33 | jordanm | jelly: just postfix, or is postfix part of your zimbra stack? |
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| 14:20.50 | jelly | jordanm: postfix, a content_filter, and logging of all the spam to local mailboxes |
| 14:20.54 | jordanm | jelly: I think that there is probably some kernel options you can adjust so that less buffers are cached and less load will appear on kjournald. the server performance may suffer, but it may be worth it in determining the core issues |
| 14:21.20 | jelly | adjusts some kernel options |
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| 14:21.37 | jelly | MAGIC COMMENCES |
| 14:21.44 | jelly | </sarcasm> |
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| 14:22.34 | jelly | I'll assume io queue size might correspond to load on each fs. |
| 14:22.45 | jordanm | jelly: really, I think you can make adjustments so that it doesn't really use a write buffer at all, and thus kjournald will be taken out of the problem (although the problem will get worse) |
| 14:23.14 | jelly | yes I can also mount with sync option :-) |
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| 14:24.56 | jelly | of course I could blame the completely inadequate lsi mptsas controller from X series but that would be too easy |
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| 14:26.00 | jordanm | jelly: around here we refer to those cards as "budget raid" |
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| 14:26.49 | jelly | it's not easy to get anything else on these blades... the assumption is you're going to provide real storage over fc san |
| 14:27.13 | jelly | and I'm pretending they can hold /var/spool/postfix instead |
| 14:27.45 | colo-work | well I'm sure it could hold the spool dir of _our_ mta quite fine ;) |
| 14:28.56 | jelly | how many mails/s ? |
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| 14:29.37 | aQute | hi i need to install something from source what tools do i need to install for that( build-essentials )? |
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| 14:31.13 | jelly | colo-work: each node manages 10-40 connections/s guesstimating from the log |
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| 14:35.54 | jelly | well. The easy answer for me is probably "you're trying to push 200 iops on two 10k rpm spindles and they CAN'T DO THAT". Guess I'll provision some REAL storage, assign it for postfix queue and just hope |
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| 14:36.53 | izz_ | ok who knows about grub2-efi? |
| 14:37.10 | izz_ | I just made a regular grub single os install of debian on my imac, and now it won't boot |
| 14:37.25 | izz_ | I think I need to run grub2-efi to get a working master boot record |
| 14:37.50 | hikenboot | anyone know of any gui for configuration of bridging for kvm and xen and things like that? |
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| 14:38.28 | mosno | hikenboot: maybe virt-manager can do it these days. it couldn't last time i checked (CentOS 5.5) |
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| 14:39.03 | hikenboot | I am trying to design an all round solution around kvm and proxmox...proxmox 2.0 is a very good interface but lacks in the area of network configuration unfortunately |
| 14:39.05 | colo-work | NetworkManager will have support for setting up bridges in the next release, iirc |
| 14:39.13 | colo-work | jelly, I guess about 1mail/s here ;) |
| 14:39.16 | colo-work | peak |
| 14:39.18 | hikenboot | colo-work: when will that be do you know |
| 14:39.28 | colo-work | 200iops for 2x10krpm doesn't seem to much to ask for though. |
| 14:39.45 | colo-work | hikenboot, nope, but have a look at the main dev's blog |
| 14:39.52 | hikenboot | ok thaks |
| 14:39.54 | hikenboot | thanks |
| 14:39.58 | skilz | How can I disable plymouth? when I try and remove it, it wants to remove 500mb of software |
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| 14:40.33 | skilz | I want text boot not graphical |
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| 14:42.22 | haiwu | Anyone knows if there is a way to find nfs server export options just from nfs client side, not from nfs server side? |
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| 14:45.57 | jelly | colo-work: it's a lot. 7200 consumer device gives you 60 if you're lucky. 15krpm might give out 150-200 |
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| 14:57.41 | sickgut | is it possible to get debian to autologin at boot time into x session as the root user without the prompting for user and pass? |
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| 14:59.42 | tech13 | Are there instructions for how to create the sun java packages 'at home'? We have a several debian machines, and would rather setup an in-house repository and use apt-get update, rather then add one more 'keep up to date' step. |
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| 15:00.44 | colo-work | jelly, that's why I thought that 200 iops would not be too much to ask for from two 10krpm spindles. |
| 15:01.19 | jelly | colo-work: they're in raid1 |
| 15:01.27 | colo-work | ah well ;) |
| 15:01.28 | jelly | effectively one disk |
| 15:01.37 | colo-work | and mostly writes, too |
| 15:01.42 | jelly | for some reasons users don't like their mails lots |
| 15:01.44 | jelly | lost* |
| 15:01.46 | colo-work | then I can see how this is a problem |
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| 15:02.01 | colo-work | yeah, what a strange bunch |
| 15:02.26 | jelly | yeah. I could use say, 5GB battery backed DRAM disk for postfix and replace 4 nodes with one |
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| 15:03.23 | jelly | if postfix is really the main bunch, and not writes to spam log mailboxes |
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| 15:08.45 | asif_ | hi..does Debian squeez supports Mate..? |
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| 15:09.24 | gypsymauro | hi |
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| 15:09.57 | gypsymauro | suppose I've a file with a string like 41540D0A, how can I have the ascii conversion of this? |
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| 15:10.18 | batouzo | how to include firmare radeon/CEDAR_pfp.bin into my initrd I create with make-kpkg ? |
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| 15:12.01 | sickgut | tech13 you can download the java direct from the oracle / sun website then extract it, then keep it in your home folder and or s ymlink the executables out to /usr/bin |
| 15:12.31 | sickgut | if you are wanting to keep uptodate with the latest version and want to keep it in a specific folder |
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| 15:14.59 | esprimo | gypsymauro: Frow which file is it? |
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| 15:15.21 | esprimo | from* |
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| 15:16.23 | asif_ | does Debian squeez supports Mate..? |
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| 15:17.30 | esprimo | The gnome2 fork? |
| 15:17.31 | babilen | asif_: If by "Mate" you are referring to the Gnome2 fork then no |
| 15:18.59 | asif_ | babilen: how different is mate from gnome 2..? |
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| 15:20.00 | babilen | asif_: No idea, ask them. :) -- AFAICT mate does not even have a single release yet and it is IMHO quite unlikely that it will ever be packaged for Debian. |
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| 15:20.59 | babilen | asif_: #mate is the channel you are looking for. Squeeze ships Gnome2 so you can just use that, wheezy will most likely release with Gnome 3.2 |
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| 15:24.03 | asif_ | babilen: thank you for the info dude |
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| 15:37.47 | eXeC001er | Hello |
| 15:38.07 | cHarNe2 | hi |
| 15:38.41 | eXeC001er | Where can i read more information about '--before_build' and '--afret_build' hooks ? |
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| 15:51.18 | DammitJim | what can we use instead of sun-java6-jdk now that it's not in the repos? |
| 15:52.02 | babilen | DammitJim: CrossPostJava-6-wait-longer |
| 15:52.06 | RichiH | is there a sane way to paste text into a file after a specific line? |
| 15:52.17 | RichiH | other than somewhat automating vim ;) |
| 15:52.29 | RichiH | could do it with sed, but that seems flaky, at best |
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| 15:54.35 | Iridos | RichiH, you mean like... insert? |
| 15:55.18 | RichiH | yes, insert new lines in a text file |
| 15:55.30 | Retenodus_ | Hi |
| 15:56.00 | Retenodus_ | It seems that apt-pinning manages priority in a same repository |
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| 15:56.20 | Retenodus_ | how can I manage priority between different repositories ? |
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| 15:56.47 | koollman | RichiH: what are you trying to do initially ? (I would use sed, but it may not be the best tool for your problem) |
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| 15:57.41 | Iridos | RichiH, probably (head -n 100 file; cat otherfile; tail -n +100) > newfile; mv newfile file |
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| 15:59.53 | Iridos | you can't really "insert", as ... well, there's no space in the file, you gotta write it anew |
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| 16:00.36 | Retenodus_ | for example, a repository http://toto/repository contains some package, http://tata/repository contains some other packages, but a package is in common in a different version |
| 16:01.00 | babilen | RichiH: 0.2s google: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6537490/insert-a-line-at-specific-line-number-with-sed-or-awk |
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| 16:02.49 | RichiH | koollman: i need to update the firewall rules on several dozen machines |
| 16:03.02 | RichiH | Iridos: line count is not always the same |
| 16:03.21 | RichiH | babilen: i need to insert after a pattern, not at a line number |
| 16:03.32 | tdrusk | RichiH: echo "stuff" >> file.txt |
| 16:03.36 | RichiH | i know how to do it with sed, but it just seems unclean to do it this way |
| 16:03.44 | koollman | RichiH: the file is always the same ? are you sure the pattern will be there ? |
| 16:03.47 | RichiH | tdrusk: in the middle, not the end |
| 16:04.00 | DammitJim | anyone using connman? |
| 16:04.07 | DammitJim | for my life I can't get it to recognize my interfaces |
| 16:04.09 | RichiH | koollman: yes; and even if not, i am fine with having it error out and doing it by hand, then |
| 16:04.10 | tdrusk | RichiH: gotcha :) |
| 16:04.22 | koollman | RichiH: sed seems to be a good way to do that. if the files were identical I would just copy them over |
| 16:06.36 | krion | hi |
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| 16:07.17 | Iridos | RichiH, then I don't see any backdraw using sed... you can easily replace s/pattern/pattern\nnewstuff/ and you can even run a diff over everyting afterwards to see if all files got it the way you wanted |
| 16:07.26 | krion | is it the correct behaviour that, ifconfig eth1 show the if as DOWN, but /proc/net/bonding/bond0 show MII Status for eth1 as up ? |
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| 16:12.28 | babilen | RichiH: Ah, you said "specific line" and I assumed you knew beforehand which line exactly you want to insert after. sed is still the tool I would use. |
| 16:14.01 | afidegnum | Hello, psl can someone reminds me what app should i install to fix my desktop issue? after installation of debian, i ran startx just to have a black screen with a mouse pointer. no desktop icon are displaying. I have run Ubuntu Netinstall to install the needed packages |
| 16:14.07 | afidegnum | what should I do ? |
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| 16:14.46 | Justin | afidegnum: try 'apt-get install gnome' |
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| 16:14.56 | Justin | afidegnum: or run tasksel |
| 16:14.59 | afidegnum | ok, thx |
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| 16:26.46 | balboah | CONFIG_XEN_DOM0=y |
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| 16:31.56 | pindemon | hello world - I've got a laptop with faulty display, everything but graphics works - I've removed the harddrive and installed from another computer debian 6.0.3 - I've disabled graphical environment and enable ssh - my problem is that it doesn't seems to recognize the ethernet card |
| 16:32.28 | pindemon | I'm sure it's working because I can blindly log in and typing reboot works |
| 16:32.33 | DammitJim | man, I guess noone uses connman on Debian 'cause it's so old? |
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| 16:33.39 | pindemon | how can I blindly test the eth0 adapter? |
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| 16:33.57 | balboah | pindemon: did you configure it to load dhcp or whatever? |
| 16:34.03 | wols_ | pindemon: it's not eth0 anymore |
| 16:34.31 | pindemon | balboah: during installation I've set it via dhcp |
| 16:34.41 | pindemon | wols_: so what's the if? |
| 16:34.48 | wols_ | pindemon: dhclient eth1 |
| 16:34.56 | balboah | pindemon: do you have a usb drive or something to store stuff on? |
| 16:35.03 | pindemon | yes |
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| 16:35.08 | balboah | try wols example first |
| 16:35.13 | pindemon | brb |
| 16:35.17 | balboah | else you can pipe out stuff on the usb and read it on another machine :) |
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| 16:36.09 | tdrusk | pindemon: put in a usb flash drive and type |
| 16:36.09 | tdrusk | su |
| 16:36.09 | tdrusk | mkdir /media/usb/ |
| 16:36.09 | tdrusk | mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usb/ |
| 16:36.09 | tdrusk | mount /dev/sdc1 /media/usb/ |
| 16:36.09 | tdrusk | cd /media/usb/ |
| 16:36.09 | tdrusk | touch out.txt |
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| 16:38.26 | pindemon | wols_: it worked |
| 16:38.28 | pindemon | can ping it |
| 16:38.28 | Iridos | pindemon, if the display's broken... can't you plug in an external monitor? |
| 16:38.32 | pindemon | let me ssh now |
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| 16:38.43 | pindemon | Iridos: it's a fauly hp pavillion dv6000 |
| 16:38.49 | pindemon | *faulty |
| 16:39.10 | pindemon | great - I'm in |
| 16:39.29 | pindemon | thanks to everybody |
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| 16:40.06 | netsrot | Hi, when I tried the "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdb; sync" I wasn't able to mount the usb stick anymore. I was following this guide http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 16:40.09 | Iridos | well... so why can't you plugin an external monitor? |
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| 16:40.19 | afidegnum | hello, pls what is the name of the current Debian Distro? |
| 16:40.26 | pindemon | Iridos: the gpu is fried |
| 16:40.41 | pizza_biz | squeeze is current. |
| 16:40.41 | afidegnum | when I did uname -a this is what I had ... Linux Debian 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 16:40.43 | Iridos | afidegnum, note 1st word of /topic |
| 16:41.24 | Iridos | pindemon, fairysnuff, I guess |
| 16:41.27 | afidegnum | what is the appropriate comand to use to find out ? |
| 16:41.42 | pizza_biz | cat /etc/debian_version will tell you what version you're running. |
| 16:41.48 | afidegnum | ok |
| 16:41.49 | Iridos | mostly |
| 16:42.29 | afidegnum | 6.0.3 |
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| 16:43.36 | rypervenche | afidegnum: You can also run "lsb_release -a" to find out |
| 16:43.45 | afidegnum | ok |
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| 16:45.46 | pindemon | wols_: I guess I should edit interfaces "iface eth0 inet dhcp" to "iface eth1 inet dhcp" |
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| 16:47.33 | nsadmin | if the interface you want for incoming dhcp is eth1 |
| 16:47.50 | Ubuh-huntuh | anyone know why rsyslog displays incoming udp messages so slow? (5 seconds/msg) |
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| 16:53.08 | lachfome | Hello every body |
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| 16:53.47 | lachfome | I install broadcom-wl in debian squeeze but now it can not found any network what i do now |
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| 16:54.26 | wols_ | netsrot: what does "file -s /dev/sdb say? |
| 16:54.34 | pindemon | ok - everything fine - thanks again - bye |
| 16:54.38 | nsadmin | lachfome, how do you know it cannot find? |
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| 16:55.02 | converge_ | I have a local server and its so slow to login trought ssh, it takes 20 seconds to password prompt show. i tought it was because of dns reverse but i have entries on /etc/hosts , some idea ? |
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| 16:55.34 | lachfome | nsadmin, for iwlist scan that give me "eth1 No scan results " |
| 16:55.40 | wols_ | lachfome: iwlist <interface> scan |
| 16:55.56 | wols_ | lachfome: and to see what interfaces you have: ifconfig -a or iwconfig |
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| 16:56.12 | wols_ | lachfome: from the looks of it you have installed the wl driver wrong |
| 16:56.26 | nsadmin | converge_, most likely cause, reverse dns not set up for your internal net |
| 16:56.28 | lachfome | wols_, Yes eth1 is my wifi interface |
| 16:56.55 | nsadmin | wols_, maybe lack of firmware too? |
| 16:56.57 | lachfome | wols_, I used this http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 16:57.49 | Iridos | confusid, I would still say reverse dns... did you switch it off in sshd_config? |
| 16:57.50 | wols_ | lachfome: have you run iwconfig? |
| 16:58.00 | lachfome | wols_, yes |
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| 16:58.05 | wols_ | and? |
| 16:58.24 | converge | I have a local server and its so slow to login trought ssh, it takes 20 seconds to password prompt show. i tought it was because of dns reverse but i have entries on /etc/hosts , some idea ? |
| 16:58.35 | nsadmin | converge_, most likely cause, reverse dns not set up for your internal net |
| 16:58.38 | Iridos | ops |
| 16:58.55 | Iridos | converge, not confusid |
| 16:59.19 | lachfome | wols_, http://pastebin.com/dmqDj4gm |
| 16:59.27 | converge | Iridos: what..? |
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| 16:59.30 | nsadmin | converge, are you listening? or is this a periodic autospammer? |
| 16:59.49 | Iridos | converge, ^^^ I misaddressed you |
| 16:59.50 | nsadmin | oh, there we go, a response |
| 16:59.55 | Iridos | \o/ |
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| 17:00.01 | converge | nsadmin: i dont think its a dns reverse |
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| 17:00.46 | wols_ | lachfome: as nsadmin said, check your dmesg output of firmware messages or anything else. also check with lsmod that the wl driver is the only one loaded |
| 17:00.50 | nsadmin | try adding the ip of the machine you're running ssh to the /etc/hosts file of the machine you're sshing to |
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| 17:02.12 | nsadmin | if it's fast, then the remote is trying to check reverse dns |
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| 17:04.12 | converge | nsadmin: i havent add the ip / name on server host file, working well now, thanks! |
| 17:04.14 | netsrot | wols_: I found another guide that worked, thanks anyhow. |
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| 17:04.44 | tr|nn| | I was dumb enough to do an apt-get update with the testing-branch in my sources.list -- now after taking out the repository apt-get still wants to update quite a number of packages. how to rebuild the underlying data such that it is based on my recent sources.list? |
| 17:04.44 | Iridos | does the a2ps in squeeze really not understand utf-8 input encodings? |
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| 17:05.01 | pindemon | I'm back asking another advice |
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| 17:05.06 | nsadmin | converge, so, you added the IP and name to the remote |
| 17:05.13 | nsadmin | hosts file? |
| 17:05.25 | pindemon | as I stated before, the laptop I'm using has a faulty (dead) gpu |
| 17:05.28 | nsadmin | and when you did that, it worked properly? |
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| 17:05.56 | tash | does anyone know the name of the exim4 config file in debian? |
| 17:06.01 | pindemon | just blacklisting the video module will be enough to disable completely the graphic adapter or should I proceed differently? |
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| 17:06.56 | nsadmin | tash, have you looked at man exim yet? try FILES section |
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| 17:07.34 | jhutchins_lt | pindemon: What are you trying to do? |
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| 17:08.08 | pindemon | jhutchins_lt: completely disable the graphics on a fresh debian squeeze installation |
| 17:08.09 | wols_ | pindemon: why would you want to "disable" it? |
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| 17:08.19 | wols_ | you simply ignore it |
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| 17:08.30 | jhutchins_lt | pindemon: Don't start X. |
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| 17:08.42 | VladimirZ | Anyone here have experiences with postfix (debian) ? |
| 17:08.48 | pindemon | jhutchins_lt: X is not installed |
| 17:08.52 | wols_ | !tell VladimirZ about anyone |
| 17:08.56 | Iridos | the gpu is broken, that's why... but there's no need to "disable"... just don't install X |
| 17:08.58 | nsadmin | VladimirZ, /msg dpkg ask |
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| 17:09.01 | jhutchins_lt | pindemon: What do you think you want to disable? |
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| 17:09.14 | pindemon | useless modules |
| 17:09.21 | pindemon | nouveau, for example |
| 17:09.46 | pindemon | also, I have tons of "[ 537.724204] [drm] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: PFIFO_INTR 0x00000010 - Ch 1" |
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| 17:09.49 | pindemon | in dmesg |
| 17:09.54 | jhutchins_lt | pindemon: Perhaps you should defer this until you have a better understanding of how the system actually works. |
| 17:10.02 | jhutchins_lt | pindemon: If you dont have X, you don't have nouveau. |
| 17:10.10 | folivora | Is there some other packet which needed to get flash working, I have install flashplugin-nonfree for my wheezy. |
| 17:10.16 | wols_ | jhutchins_lt: the kernel module is loaded still |
| 17:10.27 | wols_ | !tell pindemon about blacklist |
| 17:10.42 | jhutchins_lt | wols_: I thought there were only i915 and ... oh, I guess nouveau. |
| 17:10.44 | jhutchins_lt | !kms |
| 17:10.45 | dpkg | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 17:10.54 | wols_ | ezacktly |
| 17:11.05 | tash | nsadmin: yeah, but maybe I'm just missing it |
| 17:11.10 | jhutchins_lt | Um, according to that there's i915 and radeon, no nouveau. |
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| 17:12.06 | nsadmin | tash, try these: ls -d /etc/*exim* and find /etc/ -name "*exim*" |
| 17:12.07 | wols_ | dpkg is great, but not all knowing. nouveau came later but it uses KMS too |
| 17:12.08 | dpkg | wols_: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 17:12.30 | nsadmin | nouveau: bot? |
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| 17:15.31 | Justin | i've always found find /foo | grep bar is the easiest to type |
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| 17:25.49 | Some_Person | For some reason, Debian hates my school's wifi |
| 17:26.05 | Iridos | wols_, my squeeze system has i915 and radeon in /etc/modprobe.d/ but nothing else |
| 17:26.17 | michelem | hello folks |
| 17:27.06 | michelem | I created a initramfs disk with scripts that mount / readonly, then mount another partition r/w, and bind some paths from the latter into paths |
| 17:27.20 | wols_ | Iridos: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=nouveau.ko&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any I can't say if it's kms, but it's certainly part of the normal kernel and I guess will be loaded when the system boots, after all, the PCIID for it exists |
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| 17:28.00 | michelem | whenever I shut down, I see no messages about "unmounting", and at the next boot, partition2 (r/w) is "not cleanly unmounted" |
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| 17:29.18 | michelem | _ /etc/rc0.d/K07umountfs is in place, and I shut down with /sbin/halt -p. Where can I look for the problem? |
| 17:29.50 | wols_ | michelem: why rc0.d? |
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| 17:30.52 | michelem | wols_: that's the runlevel for shutdown. |
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| 17:33.26 | michelem | essentially I want to find out why K07umountfs is not executed |
| 17:34.17 | nsadmin | michelem, how do you know it's not? |
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| 17:35.04 | michelem | nsadmin: assumption. I'll now check that. The not-clean partition is listen in /etc/mtab, so it should be cleanly unmounted at shutdown |
| 17:35.41 | devotchka | Hey, if I run update-rc.d -f remove on a service can that be undone? |
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| 17:36.55 | nsadmin | michelem, try something like: insert a line below the #! line, touch /root/foo |
| 17:37.03 | michelem | indeed |
| 17:37.08 | nsadmin | make sure /root/foo doesn't exist |
| 17:37.09 | nsadmin | reboot |
| 17:37.24 | nsadmin | then check exists /root/foo |
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| 17:37.31 | wols_ | if it's in mtab, why isn't it unmounted like everything else? |
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| 17:37.37 | michelem | it's gonna take a while, as I jave to restart without the virtual union layer |
| 17:37.53 | nsadmin | dunno what that is |
| 17:38.04 | wols_ | nevyn: /bin/date >> /root/log |
| 17:38.08 | wols_ | nsadmin: ^^^ |
| 17:38.08 | michelem | wols_: that's what I am wondering. I guess some "bind" entries may interfere |
| 17:38.18 | nsadmin | wols: good idea :) |
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| 17:39.20 | LordTrev | How can I set up my computer as a router? (I need eth0 to get internet from wlan0) |
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| 17:39.37 | michelem | LordTrev: google is yr buddy |
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| 17:39.53 | nsadmin | LordTrev, in lenny there's a package called ipmasq |
| 17:39.55 | VladimirZ | nsadmin: I would like to create a postfix server so I create few email addresses to be able to send email (I need for some applications) |
| 17:40.09 | nsadmin | you could try getting its source and build the package and install it |
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| 17:40.16 | wols_ | !tell LordTrev about ipmasq |
| 17:40.42 | wols_ | VladimirZ: and your problem is? |
| 17:40.55 | VladimirZ | wols_: How to do it actually |
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| 17:41.28 | Hallowed | Hey guys, anyone here familiar with zimbra/bind9? |
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| 17:41.50 | wols_ | VladimirZ: apt-get install postfix? |
| 17:41.57 | wols_ | Hallowed: ask your real question |
| 17:41.58 | cthuluh | Hallowed: ask your question |
| 17:42.10 | nsadmin | VladimirZ: applications? what kind? |
| 17:42.39 | VladimirZ | nsadmin: atlassian products (jira/confluence/etc) |
| 17:42.39 | Hallowed | Sorry, well - I'm setting up zimbra for my company (already installed, interface is working) we're behind a NAT firewall (Ive enabled port forwarding, it's accessible through our ip) but mail sending does not work because I apparently need to setup a split dns with bind9 |
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| 17:42.48 | helo | how can i get the total cpu time i've used since i booted? |
| 17:43.02 | tdrusk | helo: uptime? |
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| 17:43.12 | helo | non-idle uptime |
| 17:43.31 | helo | trying to estimate my vps's cost if i were to move to rackspace |
| 17:43.33 | wols_ | VladimirZ: you need to state the actual problem you have |
| 17:43.37 | helo | which charges by the hour of cpu time |
| 17:44.02 | tdrusk | helo: interesting question! hmm... |
| 17:44.12 | nkuttler | helo: what kind of services will you be running? |
| 17:44.20 | helo | nkuttler: irssi :P |
| 17:45.31 | Hallowed | Or, an easier question - is there any way to run Zimbra without having your own dns server? Like, perhaps having it route all traffic through a pre-existing mail server like the one setup on my 1&1 hosting, we're just trying to have an alternative to Gmail, with features like callender etc - because we work closely with China/have locations in china, and gmail is partially blocked. |
| 17:45.38 | wols_ | Hallowed: man 5 acct |
| 17:45.43 | wols_ | helo: ^^ |
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| 17:46.25 | helo | wols_: thanks |
| 17:46.26 | wols_ | !tell Hallowed about doesn't work |
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| 17:46.50 | michelem | indeed, it is called. I'll have to go through the logic then |
| 17:47.02 | VladimirZ | wols_: I set up SASL using TLS but I don't know where to create username/password for each email address (if that is neccessery) |
| 17:47.19 | wols_ | VladimirZ: have you set up smtpd_auth? |
| 17:47.42 | Hallowed | I think I'm a bit over my head and won't waste your time - I'll do a bit more research on my own and just ask straight forward questions when I'm ready, sorry. |
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| 17:48.09 | wols_ | Hallowed: begin with your MTA logs to see what is not working and why |
| 17:48.19 | wols_ | VladimirZ: this goes for you too. /var/log/mail.log.0 |
| 17:48.26 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.48 | VladimirZ | wols_: I added pwcheck_method: saslauthd and mech_list: plain login |
| 17:48.55 | VladimirZ | to smtpd.conf |
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| 17:49.22 | wols_ | VladimirZ: that's now what I asked |
| 17:49.52 | wols_ | saslauthd IIRC uses a db which is created via saslpasswd2 |
| 17:50.23 | wols_ | VladimirZ: so again, do you need to use smtp-auth smtpd-auth? or in short: what do you actually want to do |
| 17:50.51 | VladimirZ | wols_: I just want to create few email addresses so I will be able to send notifications |
| 17:51.27 | tdrusk | !tell tdrusk about doesn't work |
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| 17:52.25 | rizladude | anyone here who runs gnome 3.2 with the gnome-shell packages from experimental? |
| 17:53.02 | simonlnu | rizladude: /server irc.oftc.net and /join #debian-next |
| 17:53.36 | rizladude | simonlnu: thank you |
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| 17:55.08 | wrksx | hey ther |
| 17:56.06 | tdrusk | sometimes in my window manager(icewm) i get a box that has the X icon in it, with no title, that doesn't allow me to close it. How can I get rid of it? |
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| 18:02.04 | pizza_biz | hm. why would apt-get be failing on a "stale NFS file handle", trying to upgrade (lenny 5.0.8 -> 5.0.9)? i don't even use NFS. |
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| 18:02.38 | michelem | that script is well commented, but the logic is not easy. It's stuffed with variables |
| 18:02.50 | michelem | will do tomorrow, thanks for the help folks |
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| 18:04.29 | wols_ | VladimirZ: you don't need to "create a email address to send notifications" |
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| 18:04.53 | wols_ | VladimirZ: sasl logs are in syslog I think |
| 18:05.48 | VladimirZ | wols_: but if I want to use for info@example.com username and password where do I create it |
| 18:05.55 | cthuluh | pizza_biz: I remember a case where this error appeared because the filesystem needed a check |
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| 18:12.08 | jsoft | *yawn* |
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| 18:13.09 | VladimirZ | [Wed Dec 14 13:09:27 2011] [error] [client 86.61.102.29] client denied by server configuration: proxy:http://localhost:8060/json/changelog/TE/, referer: http://fisheye.teenfe.com/changelog/TE?cs=a11180198cf5ce5ae8d9532883c373d77f3f4d |
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| 18:13.48 | NikLP | what ho debianites... :) is it still the case that we need to use dotdeb to get a php with fpm "in it", or is there another repo closer to home that has a relevant package now...? |
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| 18:14.45 | dondelelcaro | NikLP: uh... fpm is a php extension. You just install php5 and php5-fpm, and enable the fpm module if it isn't automatically enabled |
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| 18:15.29 | xirosch | Hello. I built metapackages with a lot of dependencies. Installation works fine, but when I add some packages in the dependency list and increased the version number only a full-upgrade seems to install additional packages. aptitude safe-upgrade --safe-resolver --allow-new-upgrades --allow-new-installs does not. Any hints for me why? |
| 18:15.30 | cthuluh | which is not in the stable repos |
| 18:15.34 | NikLP | dondelelcaro: I have php5 but aptitude install php5-fpm leaves me with "Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "php5-fpm"" |
| 18:15.42 | NikLP | exactly |
| 18:15.48 | dondelelcaro | NikLP: you'll need to backport it yourself, then |
| 18:15.54 | dondelelcaro | (or find someone who has backported it) |
| 18:16.28 | NikLP | yeah so I've seen a few people mention dotdeb, but I'd never heard of it til now (I'm new mind) |
| 18:16.47 | NikLP | but other places say php has it in core since 5.3.3(?) which I have |
| 18:17.11 | cthuluh | well... try dotdeb. at your own risks |
| 18:17.14 | dondelelcaro | NikLP: it probably is in core, but we split out things that are in core into separate packages |
| 18:17.22 | dondelelcaro | NikLP: personally, I'd just backport it |
| 18:17.25 | cthuluh | or just use fastcgi which is still fairly usable... |
| 18:17.26 | NikLP | um. |
| 18:17.34 | dondelelcaro | or fcgid |
| 18:17.54 | cthuluh | well, fcgid assumes he's using apache, no? |
| 18:17.57 | NikLP | well, I've got a working apache, but I'm looking to move to nginx, but I've never used it |
| 18:18.03 | dondelelcaro | (which in my experience works better than the factcgi apache module) |
| 18:18.28 | NikLP | but I think the "right" way would prob be php-fpm (notwithstanding it's clearly not as stable as people make out) |
| 18:18.43 | NikLP | this is the most informative yet: http://fak3r.com/geek/howto/howto-install-php5-fpm-on-debian-squeeze/ |
| 18:19.02 | jsoft | I remember setting up a php / fastcgi thing |
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| 18:19.13 | luteca | hi |
| 18:19.14 | jsoft | On a shared system for security |
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| 18:20.13 | NikLP | what I don't understand is, if I add that new repo, where will php5 come from? is the new repo /just/ for php5-fpm? or do I need to uninstall php completely and reinstall with the new repo in sources? |
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| 18:21.03 | cthuluh | you'll see that comfortably in the aptitude UI |
| 18:21.12 | jelly-home | ,versions php5-fpm |
| 18:21.13 | judd | Package: php5-fpm on i386 -- sid: 5.3.8.0-1+b1; wheezy: 5.3.8.0-1+b1; experimental: 5.4.0~beta2-1 |
| 18:21.29 | NikLP | cthuluh: if I'm honest, I don't use the UI, it confuses the shit out of me |
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| 18:22.01 | cthuluh | NikLP: it saddens me a bit, since I find it very usable and efficient :( |
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| 18:22.57 | NikLP | cthuluh: it's not that I don't want to, I'm just new and its a bit overwhelming, cos I don't know what I'm looking for or being presented most of the time :/ |
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| 18:24.41 | NikLP | tbh I find the whole repo thing a bit unusual... |
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| 18:28.42 | lduros | the linux kernel is also fully free in Debian Testing (Wheezy) and sid currently, correct? |
| 18:30.25 | jsoft | lduros: fully free? |
| 18:30.32 | lduros | jsoft: no blob |
| 18:30.54 | jsoft | lduros: *shrug* |
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| 18:31.00 | cnz | what's rndc? |
| 18:31.03 | jsoft | I would imagine so |
| 18:31.13 | lduros | jsoft: why shrug? :=) |
| 18:31.34 | lstarnes | cnz: remote name daemon controller? |
| 18:31.47 | lstarnes | cnz: it is used for cntrolling BIND |
| 18:31.57 | lduros | jsoft:http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20101215 |
| 18:31.58 | cnz | ok |
| 18:32.58 | jsoft | lduros: Oh I see |
| 18:33.21 | wols_ | lduros: yes. and it will stay that way |
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| 18:33.33 | wols_ | VladimirZ: I suggest you read up at http://www.postfix.org/docs.html subheading "SASL" |
| 18:33.39 | lduros | I wonder if they used the linux-libre scripts from FSFLA for that: http://www.fsfla.org/svnwiki/selibre/linux-libre/ |
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| 18:33.58 | lduros | wols_: do you know? Was it the script used? |
| 18:34.01 | lduros | just curious anyway |
| 18:34.02 | wols_ | I don't |
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| 18:34.37 | VladimirZ | wols_: ok |
| 18:34.39 | gunfire007 | i have installed net install iso, after installing i just got a cli |
| 18:34.41 | gunfire007 | how can i start using in GUI ? |
| 18:34.46 | VladimirZ | wols_: do you know how to fix |
| 18:34.47 | lduros | wols_: so it will stay that way forever? That's cool |
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| 18:34.49 | VladimirZ | [Wed Dec 14 13:09:27 2011] [error] [client 86.61.102.29] client denied by server configuration: proxy:http://localhost:8060/json/changelog/TE/, referer: http://fisheye.teenfe.com/changelog/TE?cs=a11180198cf5ce5ae8d9532883c373d77f3f4d |
| 18:34.55 | wols_ | VladimirZ: a sasldb should be enough. no need for saslauthd imho |
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| 18:35.35 | wols_ | VladimirZ: that doesn't look like any mail related error at all |
| 18:35.45 | gunfire007 | guys i am new to debain someone over here recommended to donwload net iso of debian, i installed and now just i get is a cli, pls some one guide me how to start using the gui !! |
| 18:35.50 | VladimirZ | wols_: its apache |
| 18:35.59 | VladimirZ | wols_: but yet another problem i have :/ |
| 18:36.06 | wols_ | VladimirZ: that is not mail related at all. or sasl related |
| 18:36.24 | wols_ | VladimirZ: not enough info to diagnose anything |
| 18:36.35 | wols_ | gunfire007: does apt-get work and can you install packages from the internet? |
| 18:36.46 | evilbulgarian | hi guys, i have an problem with my system running stable + 3.1.4 linux when i do any kind of big rsync over the netwrok the system stops responding network wise. and as soon as i touch something on the console it comes back. any ideas? |
| 18:36.57 | gunfire007 | wols_: ya works |
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| 18:37.15 | wols_ | gunfire007: apt-get install xorg <desktop environment of your choice> |
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| 18:37.35 | wols_ | evilbulgarian: laptop? |
| 18:37.36 | superlinux | hi. how can I get the creation time of a file? |
| 18:37.45 | gunfire007 | wols_: ok :) thanks for the guidance |
| 18:38.04 | superlinux | I can see the Access time and the Modification time only on gnome |
| 18:38.15 | evilbulgarian | wols_: nah its an pc with ssd |
| 18:39.00 | evilbulgarian | wols_: seems only available_clocksource is acpi_pm |
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| 18:39.25 | wols_ | superlinux: creation time is not stored on a filesystem |
| 18:39.31 | superlinux | ok |
| 18:39.53 | wols_ | evilbulgarian: it sounds like your PC goes to "sleep" and therefore stops the network |
| 18:40.19 | VladimirZ | wols_: thats all I got |
| 18:40.20 | wols_ | superlinux: for a quick explanation of atime ctime mtime: http://www.unix.com/tips-tutorials/20526-mtime-ctime-atime.html |
| 18:40.34 | evilbulgarian | it only seems to do that during this type of network transfer wols_ |
| 18:40.37 | superlinux | I forgot when I started writing my application scripts |
| 18:40.44 | wols_ | VladimirZ: then try to reproduce the problem first. and as it says: something in your config is wrong |
| 18:41.10 | wols_ | evilbulgarian: check your logs? maybe the kernel or syslog has something |
| 18:41.52 | evilbulgarian | wols_: yeah nothing in dmesg |
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| 18:42.09 | evilbulgarian | wols_: seems like if any significant network traffic hits the network card it goes suspend |
| 18:42.34 | jhutchins_lt | ,KERNELS |
| 18:42.35 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.5-1); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.1-1); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
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| 18:46.58 | NikLP | yeah so ok in answer to my previous question, if I install php5-fpm from dotdeb (who IS that?) then I get conflicts and I need to completely reinstall php, so I guess... is dotdeb ok, do people use that to get fpm, or is there a better way? |
| 18:47.11 | wols_ | !dotdeb |
| 18:47.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, dotdeb is for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/ , but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. The packages from backports.debian.org are vastly superior. Ask me about <backports> and <debian-backports>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" |
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| 18:47.59 | wols_ | NikLP: I wouldn't touch dotdeb packages with a ten foot pole. always crap. lots of problems from users. if not now then when you upgrade your debian |
| 18:48.08 | NikLP | right |
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| 18:48.24 | NikLP | so, what's the alternative? I get a bit antsy with backports, not really sure what I'm doing :/ |
| 18:48.58 | wols_ | if backports has what you need then this is the way to go |
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| 18:50.18 | NikLP | is anyone here using fpm from backports? Cos that's the only bit I need. Again, not sure if that's going to involve trashing my existing php install |
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| 19:06.56 | karlpinc | NikLP: If your existing php install is from the debian repos then you won't trash it. That's what the package management system is for, to keep from trashing stuff by installing other stuff. |
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| 19:08.19 | NikLP | karlpinc: my concern was that the php had to be compiled WITH fpm support, so isn't adding fpm after the fact pointless? |
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| 19:09.56 | robokop | after a reboot my nfsexports can't be mounted on remote hosts |
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| 19:12.17 | karlpinc | NikLP: I'm not sure what you're trying to do. use fpm from within PHP? If so you do need the right php binary/package. |
| 19:13.05 | karlpinc | robokop: Is the clock right? I'm not sure if that has anything to do with anything, but I have vague memories.... Maybe I'm thinking of kerberos.... |
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| 19:13.16 | NikLP | karlpinc: I have php5 set up and happy, but I want to switch from apache to nginx, and would like to do that with fpm. So I need to add fpm to php. but there's no stable release, so... I'm stuck :p |
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| 19:14.56 | jhutchins | I've seen people invest a lot of work in getting PHP accelerators installed - they |
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| 19:15.34 | karlpinc | NikLP: I'm afraid I don't know what fpm is. You could try rebuilding the source package and enable fpm, but you'd need the build pre-requsites installed. |
| 19:15.53 | jhutchins | It seems like they're never compatible with stable software releases and always require kludging from development stuff, and I have NEVER seen a significant performance improvement, nothing perceiveable to a user or manager. |
| 19:15.58 | karlpinc | accelerates away from php whenever possible. |
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| 19:17.14 | jhutchins | Even if you customize all of your PHP code to use the accellerator - which means rewriting everything. |
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| 19:17.30 | karlpinc | jhutchins: Yes, always a good idea to know where things are slow before trying to make things faster. Random stabs at optimization almost always miss the point. |
| 19:17.33 | jhutchins | Which defeats the whole purpose of using packaged PHP stuff in the first place. |
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| 19:22.07 | NikLP | well I hear good things about nginx. apache has been very slow for me |
| 19:22.26 | NikLP | but obviously I need to link nginx to php, and this looked like the easy(er) way |
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| 19:26.33 | freenodiz | hi,i'm stalling debian from the mini.iso file.network configuration was done properlly.now i'm stuck in the preparation of the hd patitions.I set guided partition LVM.then i get the following error.. no newworld boot partition was found.the yaboot loader requires an apple_bootstrap partition at least 819200 bytes in size,using the HFS macintosh file system what can i do? |
| 19:27.57 | freenodiz | err...forgot to mention,i'm installing it in a ppc ibook g4 |
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| 19:29.39 | tdrusk | sometimes in my window manager(icewm) i get a box that has the X icon in it, with no title, that doesn't allow me to close it. How can I get rid of it? |
| 19:29.46 | talexb | freenodiz, No idea .. maybe ask on #apple or #mac if there is such a channel? |
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| 19:30.17 | DemonWitch | how many packages are available in debian |
| 19:30.19 | DemonWitch | ? |
| 19:30.31 | freenodiz | talexb,i found this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=612436 ,maybe is related?not sure if i have the apple_bootstrap |
| 19:30.42 | Iridos | there's a channel for debian-ppc... here is ok, too, if someone knows |
| 19:30.44 | Iridos | dpkg, ppc |
| 19:30.45 | dpkg | PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>, <ppc64>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:30.46 | talexb | DemonWitch, Thousands? |
| 19:30.47 | freenodiz | alexb,at least is the same error |
| 19:31.02 | freenodiz | ppc64,ty |
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| 19:32.11 | Iridos | tdrusk, xkill? |
| 19:32.35 | Iridos | mind that often doesn't kill the process |
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| 19:34.49 | Iridos | DemonWitch, apt-cache search . |wc -l |
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| 19:35.05 | Iridos | lots... but the number is close to meaningless |
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| 19:36.56 | Iridos | and actually non-free (and I think contrib) is not formally part of debian |
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| 19:38.29 | DemonWitch | Iridos, i dont have debian right now so i cant run this command. |
| 19:38.38 | DemonWitch | also i am interested in unique package number |
| 19:38.58 | DemonWitch | (not for example metapackages and things that install the same program on different archs) |
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| 19:39.59 | drx1 | would debian work and provide a reasonably responsive, full featured experience, on a PII/350Mhz/384M/5G HDD system? |
| 19:40.23 | petemc | drx1: with the right window manager it would be ok |
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| 19:41.06 | Iridos | DemonWitch, you just changed the requirements... |
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| 19:41.39 | Iridos | you wouldn't get the same program for different archs usually with that command... |
| 19:41.58 | Iridos | but there are cases where the source package installs several binary packages |
| 19:42.00 | engla | so what does full featured mean? probably not, you have to give something |
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| 19:42.40 | Iridos | and cases where one binary-package contains lots of programs (like coreutils) |
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| 19:43.17 | Iridos | for what it's worth I get something a bit under 39000 with that search |
| 19:44.05 | Iridos | DemonWitch, from outside, probably this is your friend: http://packages.debian.org/stable/allpackages |
| 19:44.12 | drx1 | petemc: what window manager might that be? and, is there a better choice such as puppy, damn small linux, etc? |
| 19:44.16 | pizza_biz | cthuluh: it's looking like the problem may be related to drive in the RAID wigged out (even though there's no indication of failure). i had to disconnect the bad drive just to get fsck to run. o.O apt-get is running, but fsck fixing made it "lose" the downloaded packages. |
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| 19:46.07 | drx1 | engla: full featured = vi, c compiler for configure/make, archive tools (bzip2, etc), window manager (gnome and tools like gedit and open office would be nice), etc. |
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| 19:46.27 | jmd | Hello. I've installed streamtuner, and when I try to play something it tries to open "xmms". But xmms doesn't exist. How do I fix this? |
| 19:46.31 | tawtaw | how do i do the equivalent of route add default gw mydefaultgatewayip but in the debian configurations? |
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| 19:47.08 | tawtaw | i added gateway to my /etc/network/interfaces: gateway theiptomygateway |
| 19:47.20 | tawtaw | still only seems to work when i run the command automatically |
| 19:47.24 | tawtaw | manually i mean |
| 19:47.47 | alex- | Who can help me out with making decisions? I'm placing a server at my friends place, and I'm going to install OpenMediaVault or Debian + Webmin on it. Which do you recommend the most? |
| 19:47.49 | cthuluh | pizza_biz: the downloaded or installed packages? 8) |
| 19:48.09 | tawtaw | debian+ssh |
| 19:48.10 | cthuluh | alex-: a plain debian :P |
| 19:48.18 | alex- | cthuluh: nah, i want web based ui |
| 19:48.41 | wols_ | tawtaw: pastebin the full interfaces file please |
| 19:48.42 | tawtaw | alex-: why not just control everything from your smartphone |
| 19:48.45 | cthuluh | do *you* want that, or do your friends want that? |
| 19:48.49 | alex- | tawtaw: because i dont have one |
| 19:48.57 | wols_ | !tell alex- about webmin |
| 19:49.04 | alex- | cthuluh: he doesn't care, as long as he has a server |
| 19:49.13 | tawtaw | wols_: i am trying a new config so i am rebooting it |
| 19:50.17 | wols_ | jmd: can you tell us the full error message? |
| 19:50.41 | pizza_biz | well, apt thinks they downloaded successfully, but fsck deleted them due detected problems. so when it tries to isntall them, it's skipping them but thinking they're empty. not a huge deal, i think i can just remove the two packages and reinstall. |
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| 19:52.10 | alex- | wols_: i know about webmin, but i will use it anyway :P |
| 19:52.40 | jmd | wols_, Unable to tune in. Failed to execute child process "xmms" (no such file or directory). |
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| 19:54.49 | drx1 | what about running an older version of linux, such as sarge or maybe Ubuntu 6.06? |
| 19:54.51 | wols_ | try to set another mp3 player in the configuration if possible. this progran's last stable version seems to be from 2004. I'm sure there are other players with can browse online stream sites |
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| 19:55.06 | wols_ | drx1: no security updates. and no point |
| 19:55.12 | primary | Does the debian netinstall support pppoe? |
| 19:55.56 | jmd | wols_, There doesn't seem to be any such configuration option. And I've not heard of any other such tools. |
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| 19:56.12 | wols_ | primary: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ#Q:_How_do_I_install_via_PPPoE.3F yes |
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| 19:56.33 | drx1 | what would be the best way to get an updated Linux for this system without having to do any builds? |
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| 19:56.59 | jmd | wols_, Also, I'm more interested in live streams, than MP3 files. |
| 19:57.39 | Iridos | look in the bug reports for streamtuner... xmms hasn't been in debian for _long_ |
| 19:57.54 | primary | wols_: woah a wiki thanks |
| 19:57.54 | Iridos | there's also streamtuner2, it seems |
| 19:58.23 | tawtaw | wols_: right this is quite difficult i am using a drac since i am not able to access the machine, and the drac is crappy java crap so i cannot copypaste :/ basically the setup is i have bonded 2 NICs and i have a vlan 20 which i would like to add to the bond but this does not work properly. and ontop of that i think the gateway is causing isuses |
| 19:58.32 | jmd | E: Unable to locate package streamtuner2 |
| 19:58.41 | wols_ | ,versions streamtuner2 |
| 19:58.41 | judd | Package: streamtuner2 on i386 -- sid: 2.0.8-5; wheezy: 2.0.8-5 |
| 19:59.34 | wols_ | jmd: get it from wheezy. it should should work |
| 19:59.48 | Iridos | ops... yeah, just saw it, didn't pay close attention where it was |
| 19:59.52 | alex- | Which server control panel do you recommend? |
| 20:00.01 | alex- | If I shouldn't use Webmin |
| 20:00.06 | nkuttler | alex-: none |
| 20:00.13 | alex- | Why not? |
| 20:00.15 | wols_ | !tell alex- about free whcp |
| 20:00.22 | wols_ | alex-: cause they all suck. there are no exceptions |
| 20:00.22 | alex- | wols_: that's webhosting |
| 20:00.29 | alex- | I don't need a webhosting control panel |
| 20:00.42 | wols_ | you don't need a server control panel either |
| 20:00.52 | alex- | Why not? |
| 20:01.05 | alex- | My friend likes to see the server load |
| 20:01.09 | alex- | and a graph of how many memory is being used |
| 20:01.24 | nkuttler | that's not a control panel |
| 20:01.26 | wols_ | that's nothing he controls, is it? |
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| 20:02.20 | engla | drx1: gnome3 is very doubtful, but maybe someone else has experience with that. same with libreoffice |
| 20:04.08 | pizza_biz | ooooookay, looks like remove/reinstall is not so easy. looks like i need to manually grab the package for libwrap0 and hope that i can jumpstart this somehow -- unless somebody has a better recommendation on how to recover this? |
| 20:04.33 | engla | drx1: maybe xfce |
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| 20:06.03 | wols_ | pizza_biz: until you give us a proper problem description /msg dpkg bat, we cannot really help you with your problem |
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| 20:08.34 | tdrusk | !tell tdrusk about webmin |
| 20:08.47 | alex- | wols_: your right, how is it called then? |
| 20:09.24 | tawtaw | wols_: trying to add VLAN#32 to IF -:bond0:- error: Operation not supported |
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| 20:09.27 | tawtaw | i think that is my error |
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| 20:10.07 | tawtaw | i followed this: http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Howto_create_fault_tolerant_bonding_with_vlan_.28Etch.29 |
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| 20:13.18 | tawtaw | nobody doing bonding+vlan? |
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| 20:14.55 | thewanderer1 | tawtaw, means your driver doesn't support it - maybe your device can't do that? |
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| 20:15.35 | DammitJim | what makes my screen go black after a certain amount of time? |
| 20:15.57 | thewanderer1 | DammitJim, DPMS or the screensaver |
| 20:16.11 | thewanderer1 | DammitJim, xset -dpms |
| 20:16.54 | tawtaw | thewanderer1: are you sure? |
| 20:17.14 | tawtaw | this is my /etc/network/interfaces http://pastebin.com/3VfuZWrF |
| 20:17.34 | thewanderer1 | tawtaw, I can't be sure - that's what the error message implies |
| 20:17.42 | tawtaw | thewanderer1: which device cant do what? |
| 20:18.25 | thewanderer1 | tawtaw, the underlying device... bonding+vlan |
| 20:18.45 | tawtaw | tawtaw: thats just software, you mean that its not supported in the software? |
| 20:19.03 | tawtaw | if it was not then there is no reason for the tutorial |
| 20:19.43 | tawtaw | i can do bonding, and i can do vlans, i just dont seem to be able to do them both |
| 20:20.00 | tawtaw | this is quite basic stuff so i am sure im just doing it wrong |
| 20:20.20 | thewanderer1 | tawtaw, 802.1q is a hardware function, it might not support bonding+vlan or it might but the driver might not |
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| 20:22.02 | tawtaw | thewanderer1: this is a poweredge m600 |
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| 20:22.12 | wrksx | my mysql config file (my.cnf) states "# Error logging goes to syslog. This is a Debian improvement :)" |
| 20:22.19 | tawtaw | thewanderer1: but maybe you are right i will try to look it up |
| 20:22.25 | wrksx | how could I consult these ? |
| 20:23.28 | izz_ | evening people, I'm tring to do a debian only install on an intel mac mini |
| 20:23.48 | tawtaw | thewanderer1: broadcom corporation netxtreme II bcm5708S gigabit ethernet |
| 20:23.53 | izz_ | I chose "use whole disk" in the debian installer, then ran grub, which rendered it unbootable |
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| 20:24.00 | tawtaw | thewanderer1: hmm do you know where i could check this? |
| 20:24.08 | thewanderer1 | tawtaw, ah, broadcom... I'd check with the documentation or ask the vendor |
| 20:24.10 | izz_ | I've been googling on the matter and now I'm totally confused by all the different guides and options |
| 20:24.25 | izz_ | rEFIT/grub/grub2-efi/elilo |
| 20:24.40 | tawtaw | thewanderer1: would the vender know about opensourced linux modules? |
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| 20:24.56 | xingu | izz_: some of the mini's are EFI |
| 20:25.00 | tawtaw | thewanderer1: oh i see what you mean |
| 20:25.04 | thewanderer1 | tawtaw, ask them about hardware capabilities :P (also, I assume they would, since there's a large userbase) |
| 20:25.08 | xingu | izz_: grub/grub2-pc is bios only. |
| 20:25.22 | tawtaw | thewanderer1: yeah ill do it thanks |
| 20:25.24 | izz_ | yeah so I learned |
| 20:25.31 | izz_ | but how would I use grub2-efi? |
| 20:25.38 | parcs__ | i'd like to install vim 7.3 from wheezy on my squeeze machine. is there any sensible way to doing this? |
| 20:25.48 | izz_ | do I need an extra partition? and how to I install it when it's not available in the debian installer? |
| 20:25.51 | tawtaw | thewanderer1: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=578531 |
| 20:26.02 | tawtaw | thewanderer1: that bug mentions that vlan and bonding works for that device :) |
| 20:26.22 | xingu | izz_: http://wiki.debian.org/IntelMac/BootLoader |
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| 20:27.05 | thewanderer1 | tawtaw, for that driver, yes, probably for the device too... that step is done, then :P |
| 20:27.18 | gnarface | i need advice on cross compiling in debian |
| 20:27.29 | tawtaw | thewanderer1: so whats the next step :) |
| 20:27.31 | gnarface | where should i get my "toolchain" ? |
| 20:27.40 | Iridos | don't make it cross, because then it won't compile? |
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| 20:28.10 | wols_ | gnarface: anywhere you can get it. depends on the target mainly |
| 20:28.24 | thewanderer1 | tawtaw, try a different bonding mode, I guess... |
| 20:28.38 | izz_ | xingu: yeah that fragmented "overview" doesn't really help |
| 20:28.46 | tawtaw | thewanderer1: oh :P |
| 20:29.49 | tawtaw | thewanderer1: any suggestions? |
| 20:30.25 | tawtaw | thewanderer1: i have to create a /etc/modprobe.d/bonding.conf right? and add the mode there? |
| 20:30.50 | thewanderer1 | tawtaw, never worked with bonding, sorry... you can test with just `modprobe` and cmdline parameters for now |
| 20:31.04 | tawtaw | ok thanks |
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| 20:31.25 | izz_ | I wonder if this is applicable for debian also: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFIBooting |
| 20:31.28 | gnarface | wols_: well the target is a palm tungsten t5... |
| 20:31.46 | thewanderer1 | guys, seeing very poor performance in IPv6 routing on Squeeze/amd64. 50KB/s is the max, while IPv4 goes at over 100MB/s... |
| 20:31.48 | gnarface | wols_: *possibly* spelled: t|5 |
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| 20:31.53 | nikihren | Hey is there any guide step by step to configure apache with multiple websites and different domains? |
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| 20:33.23 | thewanderer1 | nikihren, just use dynamic vhosting http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/mass.html or follow the docs if you want static definitions |
| 20:33.44 | wols_ | wasn't there a palm OS development kid one day? |
| 20:35.12 | gnarface | wols_: i dunno. if there was i'd love to know the name of the package. |
| 20:35.25 | thewanderer1 | uh, I guess I'll just try my own kernel |
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| 20:37.33 | tawtaw | thewanderer1: ok tried every mode from 0 to 10 and nothing made any difference |
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| 20:38.55 | thewanderer1 | tawtaw, dmesg not helping? |
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| 20:39.34 | tawtaw | thewanderer1: it says 8021q: VLANs not supported on bond0 |
| 20:39.38 | tawtaw | so i think you are right |
| 20:39.44 | tawtaw | but i dont get it |
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| 20:40.14 | hamster007 | can anyone help me finding my way in zen kernel git repos? I know debian doesn't support it. but... |
| 20:40.48 | wols_ | gnarface: http://www.shallowsky.com/linux/palmlinuxdev.html and especially look at http://prc-tools.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:40.59 | thewanderer1 | tawtaw, it might be a peculiarity of your card model, not all of them must necessarily have the same features |
| 20:41.12 | thewanderer1 | tawtaw, try a new kernel to make sure - the backports one should do |
| 20:41.38 | tawtaw | i am running 2.6.32-5-openvz-amd64 |
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| 20:44.43 | gnarface | wols_: thanks but that's not what i need. cocoaboot is a .prc file that already exists that i can use to boot linux. my problem is i need to cross-compile a bunch of linux to have something to boot. |
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| 20:46.29 | wols_ | gnarface: then find out what arm exactly your tungsten uses and google a cross compiler for that |
| 20:46.40 | wols_ | a LINUX target cross compiler of course |
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| 20:48.34 | abrotman | dpkg: pal gnarface tungsten palm .. hahahah |
| 20:48.34 | dpkg | points at gnarface tungsten palm .. hahahah and laughs uproariously |
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| 20:53.33 | gnarface | abrotman: laugh now but you're gonna be fucking jealous when my palm pilot runs bash and all you have is an ipad |
| 20:54.17 | wrksx | here is amessage from extracted from my syslog: |
| 20:54.20 | wrksx | Dec 12 17:03:24 s15394681 kernel: [26534941.463947] INFO: task apache2:27181 blocked for more than 120 seconds. |
| 20:54.29 | wrksx | any idea whatcouldcause this ? |
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| 20:55.14 | thewanderer1 | wrksx, excessive disk wait - for example, if a disk is stuck or not responding, you'll get this. or it could have hung due to a bug... |
| 20:55.25 | Iridos | gnarface, seems to me bash on mobilish devices is overrated... hard to type commands anyway |
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| 20:55.48 | Iridos | not saying it's not neat |
| 20:55.59 | Iridos | just not as neat&practical as one might think |
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| 20:58.53 | gnarface | Iridos: practicality has nothing to do with it, but thanks for trying to crush my dreams anyway |
| 20:58.58 | mads- | Hi. I have just tried installing Debian on my Desktop computer. When I tried installing the NVidia driver from nvidia.com it told me something about the nouveau driver which it would disable and then restart. When I restarted, it didn't want to start all the way. I couldn't even Ctrl-Alt-F1 to a terminal |
| 20:59.17 | mads- | But what is the normal way of installing NVidia on Debian? |
| 20:59.33 | thewanderer1 | so, nobody using Squeeze as IPv6 router and seeing poor routing performance? |
| 20:59.57 | Iridos | gnarface, you're of course welcome... I bought an N900 for that insane $$$ price... and yeah, it's pretty cool... mostly opensource software on it and so on... but if I look how often I use the shell, it's actually pretty rare |
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| 21:00.41 | thewanderer1 | mads-, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-dkms. but you absolutely have to remove the previous crap from nvidia.com from your system |
| 21:00.46 | wrksx | thewanderer1, i always had hight disk iowait on this virtual server, everything confirms that I must spend more money on server |
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| 21:01.06 | thewanderer1 | wrksx, yeah, but 120 seconds is a bit on the high side... |
| 21:01.28 | mads- | thewanderer1: previous crap? Is the official nvidia drivers considered bad? |
| 21:01.36 | thewanderer1 | mads-, yes, very |
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| 21:02.22 | mads- | thewanderer1: I thought just the opposite. Will nvidia-kernel-dkms install all the necessary stuff? |
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| 21:03.38 | thewanderer1 | mads-, it should... you might also need nvidia-glx if it's not installed automatically during the process |
| 21:03.48 | mads- | But thank you. I'll just reinstall the system and this time don't mess it up :) |
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| 21:04.49 | jj_ | hi |
| 21:05.04 | jj_ | is anyone using an apple wireless keyboard with debian squeeze in here? |
| 21:05.36 | wrksx | thewanderer1, this could happen during thewait of adatabasequery processing |
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| 21:05.38 | wrksx | ? |
| 21:05.41 | DammitJim | jj_, aren't those bluetooth? |
| 21:05.56 | jj_ | yes |
| 21:06.01 | wrksx | thewanderer1, (sorry my space key is dying) |
| 21:06.03 | DammitJim | what's your question? |
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| 21:06.10 | DammitJim | I have a bluetooth mouse working on wheezy |
| 21:06.12 | DammitJim | kinda close... |
| 21:06.21 | jj_ | it is called wireless but it is really bluetooth |
| 21:06.24 | DammitJim | lol |
| 21:06.27 | jj_ | hehe |
| 21:06.28 | jj_ | well |
| 21:06.29 | DammitJim | no, it's not even close |
| 21:06.38 | jj_ | im having difficulties to get it to run |
| 21:06.48 | jj_ | tried a lot of how tos on the web |
| 21:06.55 | jj_ | everyone beeign slightly different |
| 21:07.06 | DammitJim | run what? |
| 21:07.09 | DammitJim | pairing? |
| 21:07.09 | jj_ | :) |
| 21:07.11 | jj_ | yes |
| 21:07.15 | jj_ | well |
| 21:07.18 | jj_ | i think i got it to pair |
| 21:07.22 | DammitJim | oh ok |
| 21:07.23 | DammitJim | then? |
| 21:07.24 | jj_ | but i can not connect afterwards |
| 21:07.31 | DammitJim | hhmmmm |
| 21:07.42 | DammitJim | sorry... I still don't understand the difference between pairing and connecting |
| 21:07.47 | DammitJim | I thought if you paired, it connected, but I guess not |
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| 21:07.57 | jj_ | that's what i thought as well |
| 21:08.06 | DammitJim | hcitool scan |
| 21:08.15 | thewanderer1 | wrksx, if you have for example PHP running as an Apache module, then probably yes |
| 21:08.16 | jj_ | i mean if i try to pair again now it says the device is already bond |
| 21:08.20 | DammitJim | hidd --connect MAC_ADDRESS |
| 21:08.21 | jj_ | so i guess it paired succesfully |
| 21:08.22 | abrotman | gnarface: no, i won't .. a) don't want a palm b) will never own an ipad |
| 21:08.33 | DammitJim | did you try those 2 commands? |
| 21:08.37 | jj_ | oh btw im not running any x |
| 21:08.38 | DammitJim | what are you using for connecting them? |
| 21:08.38 | jj_ | sec |
| 21:08.40 | wrksx | thewanderer1, right in the bullseye |
| 21:08.41 | DammitJim | what's your wm? |
| 21:08.48 | jj_ | hcitool scan gets me the macadress |
| 21:08.49 | DammitJim | oh ok, no wm, good to know |
| 21:08.51 | jj_ | i dont use any |
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| 21:09.04 | abrotman | gnarface: work got me an iphone .. that's bad enough .. i've seen how horribly unusable it is .. |
| 21:09.06 | DammitJim | yes, then you can do hidd --connect <mac> |
| 21:09.08 | jj_ | ye sorry for not saying that straight away |
| 21:09.12 | abrotman | s/it/iOS/ |
| 21:09.28 | jj_ | i installed bluez with apt get |
| 21:09.32 | jj_ | but hidd is not found :> |
| 21:09.36 | DammitJim | abrotman, I don't have an iPhone, but what's unusable about it? |
| 21:09.40 | jj_ | scan gets me the mac |
| 21:09.51 | DammitJim | mmmm.... I don't think bluez comes with hidd |
| 21:10.00 | DammitJim | you are doing this as root or sudo, right? |
| 21:10.04 | jj_ | then i did simple-agent hci0 macofkayboard |
| 21:10.05 | jj_ | yes |
| 21:10.08 | jj_ | all as root |
| 21:10.23 | jj_ | then i had to type a pin |
| 21:10.32 | jj_ | on the shell and on the keyboard |
| 21:10.41 | Justin | hidd is in blues-compat |
| 21:10.43 | Justin | er, z |
| 21:10.45 | DammitJim | bluez-compat |
| 21:10.49 | DammitJim | that's it |
| 21:10.50 | jj_ | ye |
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| 21:11.02 | DammitJim | apt-get install bluez-compat |
| 21:11.05 | Justin | though the package says they are obsolete and deprecated |
| 21:11.17 | DammitJim | still works on mine ;) |
| 21:11.53 | jj_ | ok done |
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| 21:12.02 | DammitJim | did it work, jj_ ? |
| 21:12.02 | jj_ | let me try hidd |
| 21:12.28 | DammitJim | jj_, what do you use for copy and paste? screen? |
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| 21:12.41 | jj_ | yes |
| 21:12.48 | jj_ | im connected via ssh |
| 21:12.53 | jj_ | ah no screen right now sorry |
| 21:13.05 | DammitJim | what's your client machine running? |
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| 21:13.22 | jj_ | debian squeeze |
| 21:13.25 | jj_ | or what do yo mean? |
| 21:13.28 | jj_ | *you |
| 21:13.29 | DammitJim | no wm? |
| 21:13.31 | jj_ | no |
| 21:13.41 | jj_ | it is a storage |
| 21:13.53 | jj_ | and i want to use the keyboard with xbmc as a media center |
| 21:15.18 | DammitJim | nice |
| 21:15.23 | DammitJim | so, did it work? |
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| 21:16.04 | jj_ | mh |
| 21:16.10 | jj_ | it tells me host is down |
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| 21:16.15 | jj_ | but the keyboard is blinking |
| 21:16.21 | jj_ | and i found it via hcitool scan |
| 21:16.21 | DammitJim | hhmmmm |
| 21:16.27 | jj_ | strange |
| 21:16.28 | DammitJim | weird |
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| 21:17.17 | jj_ | pasting 2 lines is ok? |
| 21:17.28 | DammitJim | what do you mean? |
| 21:17.34 | jj_ | can i paste 2 lines? |
| 21:17.45 | DammitJim | sure |
| 21:17.46 | jj_ | since the topic says no flood :) |
| 21:17.52 | jj_ | ./simple-agent hci0 E8:06:88:3B:4D:0A Creating device failed: org.bluez.Error.AlreadyExists: Bonding already exists |
| 21:18.06 | jj_ | that does mean its paired, right? |
| 21:18.22 | jj_ | atleast they did talk to each other already |
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| 21:18.29 | DammitJim | weird |
| 21:19.17 | jj_ | i assume its either my bluetooth dongle |
| 21:19.23 | jj_ | or that fancy apple keyboard |
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| 21:20.51 | abrotman | DammitJim: it's just a PITA to use .. compared to any recent (18mo old) android device, it's awful .. no wonder Apple is suing everyone |
| 21:21.00 | abrotman | stops being offtopic |
| 21:21.25 | agike | Hi, my screen gets corrupted with degraded text after a time - I have a 147534 byte screenshot (.png) - any ideas for a fix ? |
| 21:21.31 | DammitJim | interesting... the only thing I don't like about my android phone is that sometimes it doesn't respond to my taps |
| 21:21.36 | DammitJim | ok, back on topic |
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| 21:23.48 | jj_ | :) |
| 21:24.31 | jj_ | is there any way to check if my bluetooth dongle is supported in a proper way? |
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| 21:31.43 | agike2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.55 | Iridos | :-[ |
| 21:32.08 | agike2 | Hi, the screen on my Debian drive gets corrupted with degraded text after a time - I have a |
| 21:32.10 | agike2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.18 | Iridos | ECHAN |
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| 21:32.35 | agike2 | ECHAN .. ? |
| 21:32.46 | Iridos | from me... just ignore it |
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| 21:37.30 | prkchp_sndwch | hi, I'm new to debian. If I install it on my laptop and select guided with encrypted lvm will I have to provide the passphrase every time I log in? |
| 21:37.40 | prkchp_sndwch | in addition to typing in my username and password? |
| 21:37.51 | CissWit | yes |
| 21:37.53 | dondelelcaro | prkchp_sndwch: you'll have to use the passphrase every time you boot the computer |
| 21:37.59 | prkchp_sndwch | is there a way to automate it? |
| 21:38.14 | dondelelcaro | prkchp_sndwch: or alternatively, provide a physical key or something else which you can use to unlock the encyrpted partition |
| 21:38.18 | prkchp_sndwch | I'm fine with just typing in my username and passwork like regular |
| 21:38.31 | dondelelcaro | prkchp_sndwch: if you want it automated, there's no real point in having encrypted lvm |
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| 21:39.24 | dondelelcaro | prkchp_sndwch: though if this is a laptop, I'd personally use an encrypted lvm, and then just enter my passphrase for the lvm, then log in like usual |
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| 21:40.45 | abrotman | DammitJim: if you want to talk about it, #debian-offtopic |
| 21:40.52 | spal | what's the difference between openoffice and libreoffice? |
| 21:40.58 | dondelelcaro | prkchp_sndwch: please keep it in the channel |
| 21:41.14 | tr|nn| | is there a chance to see mysql-server 5.5 in squeeze-backports any time soon? |
| 21:41.52 | abrotman | spal: people thought Oracle would stop supporting OpenOffice, it's a fork, see wikipedia for more info |
| 21:42.01 | spal | thanks |
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| 21:42.54 | dondelelcaro | tr|nn|: considering that it's only in experimental right now, probably not |
| 21:43.00 | dondelelcaro | tr|nn|: it'd have to get to unstable first |
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| 21:43.23 | tr|nn| | dondelelcaro: so there's still a long way to go |
| 21:43.53 | dondelelcaro | tr|nn|: yes. You can of course make a backport yourself, but I wouldn't do that unless I had very specific reasons why I needed 5.5 |
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| 21:44.41 | tr|nn| | dondelelcaro: thats a good reason to not backport it atm ;) |
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| 21:45.39 | abrotman | AIUI, it would have to make it to wheezy |
| 21:46.55 | converge | I wish to access a server at work from home, is vpn the best way to do it ? |
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| 21:47.11 | agike2 | yep |
| 21:47.34 | abrotman | would a reverse ssh proxy work ? |
| 21:47.53 | converge | agike2: thanks |
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| 21:55.26 | jj_ | uhm, another stupid question :) |
| 21:55.36 | jj_ | how can i "unpair" my keyboard? |
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| 21:57.41 | jj_ | i mean like the opposite to ./simple-agent hci0 E8:06:88:3B:4D:0A |
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| 21:59.02 | Iridos | switch it off? |
| 21:59.16 | DammitJim | Iridos, I don't think there is a switch on the apple keyboard |
| 21:59.21 | jj_ | there is |
| 21:59.27 | DammitJim | oh, then there you go |
| 21:59.28 | DammitJim | lol |
| 21:59.31 | DammitJim | I stand corrected |
| 21:59.34 | jj_ | but it shuts it self down after some time |
| 21:59.46 | jj_ | still my debian box reports the device is bonded |
| 21:59.50 | DammitJim | weird |
| 21:59.54 | jj_ | though its not :D |
| 22:00.21 | Iridos | but that's not the real problem |
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| 22:01.33 | jj_ | i wish id know the real problem ;( |
| 22:01.50 | Iridos | I mean why would you care if the system reports it as bonded |
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| 22:02.15 | jj_ | mh |
| 22:02.21 | jj_ | because somehow it is not |
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| 22:02.26 | jj_ | if i type nothing happens |
| 22:02.40 | jj_ | and the keyboard is supposed to have a steady light |
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| 22:02.47 | jj_ | and not a blinking one |
| 22:02.49 | Iridos | see... so the point is not to undo the bonding, but to create a new one |
| 22:02.56 | jj_ | sorry, my english isnt the best |
| 22:03.08 | jj_ | yes, but dont i initiate a bonding with the mac adress? |
| 22:03.11 | nb-ben | hey, I am running a fresh install but cannot get my resolution right (my monitor natives at 1920x1080), does that mean my gfx card has no drivers? |
| 22:03.14 | Iridos | can't you just re-do ./simple-agent hci0 E8:06:88:3B:4D:0A ? |
| 22:03.17 | jj_ | which results in the box saying its bonded already |
| 22:03.18 | jj_ | no |
| 22:03.30 | Iridos | see... thats the real problem :P |
| 22:03.31 | jj_ | it says Creating device failed: org.bluez.Error.AlreadyExists: Bonding already exists |
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| 22:03.59 | jj_ | mh |
| 22:04.05 | jj_ | on one of the countless how tos |
| 22:04.08 | jj_ | i found this command dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez/14410/hci0/dev_E8_06_88_3B_4D_0A org.bluez.Input.Connect |
| 22:04.22 | jj_ | that gets me Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "Connect" with signature "" on interface "org.bluez.Input" doesn't exist |
| 22:04.26 | Iridos | is that the only bluetooth device you have? |
| 22:04.27 | jj_ | maybe that says something to you |
| 22:04.29 | jj_ | to me it doesnt |
| 22:04.36 | jj_ | yes, im afraid its my only one :) |
| 22:04.43 | johnnyjet | Hi there, is there some way to auto configure the display on debian ? I can't display a better resolution than 800x600, and I'm unable to find the specs of my screen on the internet |
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| 22:04.49 | Iridos | why don't you just unload the kernel module and load it again, then |
| 22:05.38 | jj_ | mh |
| 22:05.43 | jj_ | tbh i did not think of that yet |
| 22:05.57 | johnnyjet | (Xorg -configure doesn't want to hear anything btw |
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| 22:06.14 | Iridos | I mean... obviously this is a bug in the kernel module... so really you should look out for a fix that makes sure the device is dropped after a certain time of no reply |
| 22:06.54 | freenodiz | ,epiphany is freezing ,when going toabout:config... is there a better option for debian squeeze web browser,opera would work better? |
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| 22:08.17 | jj_ | not so obvious to me :/ |
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| 22:08.33 | jj_ | bluetooth 41827 10 hidp,rfcomm,sco,bnep,l2cap,btusb |
| 22:08.33 | Iridos | well... obviously it's a bug? |
| 22:08.35 | jj_ | guess thats my module |
| 22:08.42 | jj_ | yes i can follow the bug thing |
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| 22:08.58 | jj_ | but i was thinking its the fault of my bt dongle |
| 22:08.58 | Iridos | or do you think it's by design that your keyboard stops working but is still reported as bonded? |
| 22:09.04 | jj_ | o r the keyboard |
| 22:09.07 | jj_ | im not sure |
| 22:09.12 | Iridos | possibly |
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| 22:09.49 | Iridos | but there should be some timeout or something that allows you to recover after a time |
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| 22:09.55 | Iridos | which you say doesn't happen |
| 22:10.15 | raven | what is an open source (voip) tool similar to skype? |
| 22:10.23 | jj_ | yes, i can follow |
| 22:10.25 | jj_ | sounds right |
| 22:10.46 | jj_ | mh |
| 22:10.54 | jj_ | thanks for you help already! |
| 22:10.57 | Iridos | raven, ekiga ... or apt-cache search voip |
| 22:11.03 | jj_ | im trying to get another bt device so i can check on that |
| 22:11.07 | jj_ | time for some sleep |
| 22:11.48 | mekeor | Hello. I'd like to setup an e-mail-server on an ARM-machine running Debian GNU/Linux. Do you know a fast&simple way to do so (or a nice how-to explaining that)? |
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| 22:12.48 | raven | Iridos, which company is behind ekiga? |
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| 22:14.14 | Iridos | dunno... go to ekiga.org and find out? |
| 22:14.24 | agike2 | Iridos, raven: jitsi ! |
| 22:14.51 | Iridos | agike2, blessyou, here, have my handkerchief |
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| 22:16.27 | Iridos | doesn't need to have a company for an open source project |
| 22:17.51 | agike2 | Iridos, raven: ekiga is open source, i.e. a Labour of Love .. although its original creator - Damien Sandras - seems to have moved on. Very user-friendly. Have a look at https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Ekiga |
| 22:18.01 | nb-ben | i am using a dell u2312hm monitor that's native resolution is 1920x1080, but debian only allows me to have 1280x1024, is there a way for me to have debian recognizing my monitor? |
| 22:19.16 | Iridos | agike2, jitsi is not in debian... so not the best thing to suggest... at least ease-of-installation-wise |
| 22:19.20 | freenodiz | hi,i'm having problems with epyphany web browser.Is there a better,more stable browser to use with debian squezze? |
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| 22:19.53 | Iridos | links |
| 22:19.59 | lstarnes | freenodiz: iceweasel (firefox) is one |
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| 22:20.24 | thewanderer1 | guys, where do I find linux-2.6.32-5-amd64, patch level 39? the newest I can find is -38, and I need a fix from -39... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=630730#72 |
| 22:20.27 | Iridos | lstarnes, you must admit that links is more "stable" than iceweasel :) |
| 22:20.41 | lstarnes | Iridos: it's stable for me |
| 22:20.51 | freenodiz | links? |
| 22:20.54 | agike2 | Iridos: Where's that goddam tissue .. ? |
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| 22:21.39 | agike2 | freenodiz: links, elinks .. google or ixquick them |
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| 22:21.56 | freenodiz | k |
| 22:22.07 | thewanderer1 | I mean, where did the packages in question end up? |
| 22:23.41 | Iridos | nb-ben, look at the manpage for xrandr, you can add your own custom modes ... if that doesn't work for you, you might have to include an old-fashioned modeline into xorg.conf there's a factoid on it, "/msg dpkg modeline" for that |
| 22:23.58 | Iridos | judd, kernels --arch=amd64 |
| 22:23.59 | judd | (kernels [--release <squeeze>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
| 22:24.21 | Iridos | judd, kernels --arch amd64 |
| 22:24.21 | judd | (kernels [--release <squeeze>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
| 22:24.21 | Iridos | mmh |
| 22:24.22 | Iridos | judd, kernels |
| 22:24.23 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.5-1); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.1-1); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 22:24.35 | thewanderer1 | http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6/news/20111103T020120Z.html this says "Accepted linux-2.6 2.6.32-39", but I can't find it |
| 22:24.35 | nb-ben | xrandr is better practice than adding to xorg? |
| 22:25.20 | thewanderer1 | what is stable-upd? cause s-p-u is stable-proposed-updates I guess... |
| 22:26.01 | Iridos | nb-ben, well... easier. modeline needs more information about monitor timings... dunno what xrander does when you add a mode to do without |
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| 22:27.43 | thewanderer1 | alright, I'm downloading the deb manually from the pool... don't know why it's not in stable/security yet or what stable-upd is O.o |
| 22:28.10 | nb-ben | how do I find the display name? |
| 22:28.48 | Iridos | just run xrandr and it shows you all |
| 22:29.00 | nb-ben | uh |
| 22:29.07 | thewanderer1 | nb-ben, perhaps you need proprietary drivers for your display to support all resolutions? what GPU? |
| 22:29.08 | nb-ben | i need to find hsync and vsync stuff |
| 22:29.16 | nb-ben | integrated intel |
| 22:29.18 | Justin | judd: versions linux-2.6 |
| 22:29.18 | judd | No package named 'linux-2.6' was found in i386. |
| 22:29.28 | Justin | hrm |
| 22:29.30 | thewanderer1 | ah, that should work fine... |
| 22:29.36 | Iridos | thewanderer1, judd's also only at 2.6.32-38 (for i386, obviously I fogot how to specify architecture) |
| 22:29.45 | Justin | oh, that's s source package name |
| 22:29.57 | nb-ben | intel X4500 |
| 22:30.05 | thewanderer1 | Iridos, I know, the maintainer page tells me the same... I wish I understood what the package path is or what stable-upd is |
| 22:30.27 | Iridos | you're just too impatient :) |
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| 22:31.06 | thewanderer1 | I'm impatient because this release fixes a show-stopper bug for me :P |
| 22:31.18 | babilen | thewanderer1: It is in squeeze-proposed-updates |
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| 22:31.38 | thewanderer1 | yeah... I never quite got the hang of it. what does stable-upd mean, though? an alias? |
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| 22:32.10 | babilen | !proposed-updates |
| 22:32.10 | dpkg | stable-proposed-updates is a repository containing packages being prepared for the next <point release>. They require extensive testing before being accepted, but these can be acquired and used to test upcoming/fixed packages. They may also cause problems. http://www.debian.org/releases/proposed-updates http://release.debian.org/proposed-updates/stable.html . See also <testing-proposed-updates>. |
| 22:32.56 | thewanderer1 | ok... not enabling that in sources.list, though :P |
| 22:33.40 | Iridos | coward |
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| 22:34.09 | babilen | heh |
| 22:34.29 | thewanderer1 | eh, the issue that I'm facing had been fixed in -36 and then the patch was dropped in -38, to be reintroduced in -39 :D |
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| 22:36.36 | lindenle | Hi guys, need to downgrade a pckage fast |
| 22:36.37 | Iridos | agike2, actually interesting to read on... http://jitsi.org/index.php/Documentation/FAQ#ekiga.net |
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| 22:39.37 | Iridos | albeit not very encouraging |
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| 22:41.12 | Iridos | lindenle, then why don't you |
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| 22:43.37 | nb-ben | just won't work |
| 22:44.10 | nb-ben | tried cvt stuff to add new mode, then gtf but neither worked |
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| 22:54.33 | Iridos | gft? |
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| 22:54.50 | Iridos | also /msg dpkg doesn't work |
| 22:54.58 | nb-ben | yes |
| 22:55.40 | Iridos | I mean what's that supposed to be |
| 22:56.24 | nb-ben | root@ben:~# gtf 1920 1080 70 |
| 22:56.29 | nb-ben | outputs: |
| 22:56.37 | nb-ben | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.37 | nb-ben | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: ping |
| 22:56.43 | dpkg | Sorry kamping_kaiser, you're not online. |
| 22:56.57 | Iridos | Kamping_Kaiser, pity... but try again later |
| 22:57.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | bother. hope i get it workig soon :) |
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| 23:00.58 | Iridos | nb-ben, you're aware that that just gives you a modeline which you still have to use together wiht xrandr --newmode and xrandr --addmode |
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| 23:13.55 | JaredKz | Is there any recommended resource to run virtualbox machines from a headless machine in virtual desktops in VNC? |
| 23:14.22 | JaredKz | on startup as well. |
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| 23:26.55 | nkuttler | JaredKz: i'd just start the machines in headless mode and install a vnc on them |
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| 23:40.54 | ChrizC | hi there, just tried updating my debian, got a lot of text that I had to scroll through, now I have (END) at the bottom of my terminal... how do I go past this? |
| 23:41.24 | ChrizC | first line is "eglibc (2.13-17) unstable; urgency=low" |
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| 23:41.34 | ChrizC | and something about libraries and toolchains |
| 23:41.54 | cthuluh | are you sure you should be running sid? |
| 23:42.03 | d0x | hi, is there a way to add the password in the commandline if i use scp? smth like scp foo:bar@192.168.2.42 ... |
| 23:42.04 | cthuluh | anyway, try pressing 'q' |
| 23:42.15 | cthuluh | d0x: no ; use ssh keys |
| 23:42.17 | zaltekk | d0x: use key auth |
| 23:42.30 | ChrizC | alright, q got me past |
| 23:42.37 | d0x | i have a csv file with passwords for 40 machines |
| 23:42.51 | d0x | and i have to upload my files on all of them |
| 23:43.11 | d0x | i don't like to copy every key by hand |
| 23:43.19 | cthuluh | you've been given passwords for 40 mahcines and you can't setup ssh keys? |
| 23:43.36 | cthuluh | or... have you reallly been given those passwords? |
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| 23:43.46 | freenodiz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:44.02 | d0x | cthuluh: if you use rackespace or other cloud provides its possible, yes :) |
| 23:44.25 | cthuluh | bleh |
| 23:44.42 | cthuluh | try expect (search expect + tcl) |
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| 23:45.33 | jhutchins_lt | JaredKz: Have a look at ltsp. |
| 23:46.03 | JaredKz | jhutchins, thanks I'll have a look at that |
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| 23:48.09 | nkuttler | d0x: sshpass. also, bad idea |
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| 23:51.11 | Beterre | Hi. On Wheezy, I have a bunch - a couple oh hundreds- of packages listed on "Broken" on Synaptic.If I try to Edit | Fix Broken Packages nothing happens: If I 'apt-get check' and/or 'apt-get -f install' there is nothing to fix. How could I solve this? |
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| 23:55.06 | MrFrood | Beterre: #debian-next on the oftc server for dedicated testing/unstable support |
| 23:55.48 | Beterre | ok, thanks MrFood |
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| 23:55.57 | Beterre | oops, sorryyyy |
| 23:55.59 | wotwot | hi |
| 23:56.06 | Beterre | MrFrood |
| 23:56.15 | MrFrood | np |
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| 23:56.17 | babilen | heh |
| 23:56.43 | wotwot | i just installed a fresh vm and read this: "Updating certificates in /etc/ssl/certs... WARNING: Skipping duplicate certificate brasil.gov.br.pem" |
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| 23:57.45 | Beterre | MrFrood #debian-next Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited |
| 23:58.04 | Beterre | might be because I'm using now a web irc client? |
| 23:58.08 | babilen | Beterre: The channel is on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) not here on freenode |
| 23:58.21 | MrFrood | what babilen said |
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| 23:58.40 | Beterre | ohh IC. thanks |