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| 00:01.30 | nikihr | Hey i got an apache problem, my server is only listening for www.domain.com i want to to listen to domain.com also |
| 00:01.33 | nikihr | is it possible? |
| 00:01.50 | pizza_biz | sure. configure another virtual host. |
| 00:01.58 | epsilon | use alias |
| 00:02.49 | nikihr | epsilon: tell me more please? :) |
| 00:03.37 | epsilon | read the apache doc.. alias if you want the site available wit h and without www. |
| 00:03.42 | nkuttler | nikihr: can you resolve domain.com ? host domain.com |
| 00:03.54 | epsilon | or redirect wo www. if you want any client to land on www.domain |
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| 00:04.25 | nikihr | nkuttler: yes if i ping it responds with www and without |
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| 00:05.56 | cthuluh | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/name-based.html |
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| 00:06.50 | freenodiz | hi,is there tool to see all hardware in my machine?i know cpu-z ,for windows |
| 00:07.51 | cthuluh | "hi"? |
| 00:08.08 | robokop | freenodiz: lshw |
| 00:08.20 | cthuluh | we don't know what cpu-z does ; thus we could redirect you to anything between lshw, conky and snmp |
| 00:08.22 | freenodiz | rite,ty robokop |
| 00:08.38 | freenodiz | ty cthuluh |
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| 00:14.06 | freenodiz | i installed lshw,with apt-get install lshw.is there a gui for that?i cannot see any icon in my aplications icons.... |
| 00:15.11 | freenodiz | nvm,got it http://www.ducea.com/2006/06/03/use-lshw-hardware-lister-to-get-detailed-information-on-the-hardware-configuration-of-your-linux-system/ |
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| 00:16.26 | freenodiz | ohh, -short is nice :)_ |
| 00:16.51 | zaltekk | does anyone know how i can get a libao application from obtaining exclusive access to the sound system? |
| 00:17.11 | zaltekk | if something else has sound playing when it opens, all is good. but if i open anything after the app sound doesn't output |
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| 00:17.29 | zaltekk | i know there is a libao configuration file, but i don't see anything about this in the documentation |
| 00:18.00 | epsilon | nikihr: sample config: http://paste.debian.net/149263/ |
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| 00:21.07 | trist4n | uhm. does 'pam_unix2.so' have an alternative to 'nullok_secure' |
| 00:21.40 | zaltekk | actually, it looks like just setting the default output driver in ~/.libao to alsa. no idea what it was using before... |
| 00:21.42 | trist4n | it seems it may simply be nullok, but i am unsure |
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| 00:30.09 | lduros | Hello, I want to install thunderbird on Debian Testing, what's the name of the package again |
| 00:30.23 | babilen | ineiros: icedove |
| 00:30.48 | lduros | babilen: icedove? |
| 00:31.06 | cthuluh | icedove. |
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| 00:33.47 | Justin | icedove! |
| 00:33.50 | babilen | lduros: You might want 5.* from http://mozilla.debian.net though |
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| 00:34.02 | babilen | ,versions icedove --release wheezy |
| 00:34.02 | judd | Package: icedove on i386 -- wheezy: 3.1.16-1 |
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| 00:45.48 | LordVorp | I have backports listed in my sources.list, and I want to install a package from there instead of stable. what cmdline switches (or other options) do I feed apt-get install to fetch TAHT one? |
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| 00:45.57 | dondelelcaro | LordVorp: -t |
| 00:45.58 | LordVorp | specifically, I want the haproxy 1.4.8 from unstable |
| 00:46.07 | LordVorp | ah! ok i'll check that out |
| 00:46.30 | dondelelcaro | LordVorp: but it would already have to be backported. And you may find the aptitude interface easier to specify arbitrary package versions with |
| 00:46.50 | LordVorp | yes, the extra sources entry is from backports. |
| 00:46.57 | babilen | LordVorp: haproxy is not in squeeze-backports, but you can backport it yourself by following the instructions in "/msg dpkg ssb" |
| 00:47.21 | LordVorp | but i'll look at aptitude (I usually don't use gui for packages :) |
| 00:47.23 | LordVorp | eh? |
| 00:47.25 | LordVorp | 1.4.8-1~bpo50+1 (/var/lib/apt/lists/backports.debian.org_debian-backports_dists_lenny-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) |
| 00:47.32 | LordVorp | that's what showpkg has ... ? |
| 00:48.47 | babilen | LordVorp: Are you using lenny? |
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| 00:50.43 | LordVorp | yes |
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| 00:51.30 | babilen | LordVorp: Ok, I assumed that you are using the current stable (i.e. squeeze) -- Carry on in that case, but be aware that security support for lenny will end in February and you should upgrade to squeeze ASAP |
| 00:51.59 | LordVorp | alright. thanks for the tips. |
| 00:54.15 | babilen | LordVorp: The upgrade process is detailed in the release notes (/msg dpkg release notes) -- Good luck and please do it *now* |
| 00:55.17 | babilen | LordVorp: btw, haproxy in lenny-backports is *not* the same version as the one in sid (1.4.8 vs 1.4.15) |
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| 00:57.08 | nythrow | Good evening guys. |
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| 00:58.24 | LordVorp | babilen: ok. I'm fine with 1.4.8, actually, but that's good to know |
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| 00:59.20 | babilen | LordVorp: Squeeze has 1.4.8 -- You could just upgrade to it and forget about backports ;) |
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| 01:02.42 | lindenle | how can i look at a deb package without installing it? |
| 01:03.50 | babilen | lindenle: List its content or take a look at it? |
| 01:04.17 | lindenle | I guess dpkg -c? |
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| 01:05.20 | babilen | lindenle: That would list its content |
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| 01:05.36 | lindenle | <babilen>: right, how would I see its deps? |
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| 01:05.58 | babilen | lindenle: dpkg -I the.deb |
| 01:06.09 | lindenle | bonus thx! |
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| 01:08.29 | nythrow | Aren't you sleepy, guys? |
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| 01:08.50 | mparodi | Hi |
| 01:09.07 | nythrow | One small question... How can I disable startup daemons? I think about cron. |
| 01:09.24 | mparodi | Every time I login the panel with the taskbar, K menu and so on is in the middle of the screen so I have to move it to the top edge. it works until I reboot the system. what can I do? I think it's happening since the last time I tried to connect another monitor to this laptop :| |
| 01:10.00 | nythrow | mparodi: Lock it. Just set up once again and lock the panel. |
| 01:10.30 | mparodi | I did, I doesn't work |
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| 01:10.41 | mparodi | I have tried many things in fact |
| 01:10.55 | mparodi | it doesn't * |
| 01:10.58 | nythrow | mparodi: So delete home configs and do it once again. |
| 01:11.12 | nythrow | The easiest way to do it. |
| 01:11.16 | mparodi | all .kde? |
| 01:11.21 | nythrow | *fix it |
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| 01:11.42 | Morgawr | question: Can somebody point me to a place that explains how to compile a kernel > 3.0 (3.2 specifically) on debian using make-kpkg? I tried normally but it throws an error with Documentation/lguest missing and I read that it's a known bug of make-kpgk with the 3.* versions on the kernel.. |
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| 01:11.47 | nythrow | You can see, if there is a panel directory or file, just delete this one. |
| 01:12.19 | lduros | i'm trying to get this on wheezy: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-iwlwifi |
| 01:12.27 | mparodi | ok, I agree it's the easiest time, thanks nythrow |
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| 01:12.35 | lduros | for some reason I can't get the package- -- do I have to add a source? |
| 01:12.36 | mparodi | s/time/way/ |
| 01:12.41 | nythrow | mparodi: You're welcome. |
| 01:12.52 | nythrow | lduros: What is the reason? |
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| 01:15.22 | blackshirt | is there web based front end for apt ? |
| 01:15.28 | nythrow | I'm going to sleep for 4 hours. Bye. |
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| 01:15.50 | cthuluh | blackshirt: *that* is a good question. :) |
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| 01:16.46 | blackshirt | cthuluh: or something similar project active developed for that ? |
| 01:17.00 | blackshirt | cthuluh: any clue ? |
| 01:17.03 | cthuluh | nfi |
| 01:17.35 | skegeek | Sorry if this is redundant...but, is Ubuntu made to be a whole lot easier for home use than even Debian? |
| 01:18.18 | cthuluh | blackshirt: I guess that with the efforts made by the gtk developers we'll soon be able to run synaptics in a web page... |
| 01:18.39 | cthuluh | skegeek: I think they tried to do so, yes |
| 01:19.00 | blackshirt | cthuluh: thanks |
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| 01:19.20 | cthuluh | blackshirt: nothing serious, I was just thinking out loud |
| 01:20.06 | cthuluh | !webmin |
| 01:20.06 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 01:20.23 | cthuluh | webmin can install stuff ; but, as said, it sucks |
| 01:20.57 | blackshirt | cthuluh: if we use webmin, we can install through web based interfaces, but i don't know other dedicated front end.. |
| 01:21.05 | cthuluh | http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 01:21.18 | blackshirt | cthuluh: yeah, you rights, especially for package management |
| 01:21.47 | lduros | nythrow: if I do apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi i don't find it |
| 01:22.28 | lduros | nythrow: it says it is not available, but is referred by another package. |
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| 01:23.57 | adb | blackshirt, maybe use synaptic ? |
| 01:24.49 | blackshirt | adb: synaptic using gtk interfaces .. |
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| 01:26.43 | cthuluh | lduros: make sure your sources.list has the "main", "contrib" and "non-free" sections mentioned |
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| 01:27.20 | skegeek | Does Debian have a "Ubuntu Software Center" equiv., or the vertical left menu, or application menus built into the top panel? |
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| 01:28.30 | blackshirt | skeegeek: i think no... aptitude is more powerfull |
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| 01:28.51 | cthuluh | skegeek: guess what? it's called "software-center" |
| 01:29.13 | cthuluh | but I do agree with blackshirt, aptitude (and synaptics) are way more powerful |
| 01:29.15 | mharrison | skegeek yes....not sure if you mean Unity by the vertical left menu, but the rest is available |
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| 01:30.09 | mharrison | Unity is an ubuntu only thing....the closes Debian will do is what is available with Gnome3 from Testing and Unstable |
| 01:30.22 | mharrison | closest* |
| 01:30.52 | skegeek | Oh, I have no doubt - however, there are times quick n' easy is more handy than power and complexicity. |
| 01:31.23 | evilbulgarian | hi guys, i have an problem with my system running stable + 3.1.4 linux when i do any kind of big rsync over the netwrok the system stops responding network wise. and as soon as i touch something on the console it comes back. any ideas? |
| 01:31.42 | cthuluh | yeah, run stable kernels |
| 01:31.58 | evilbulgarian | cthuluh: running with debian stock kernel same problem |
| 01:32.05 | evilbulgarian | cthuluh: thats why i compiled newest kernel |
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| 01:32.43 | cthuluh | then check the bts for bugs related to your network card? |
| 01:32.52 | cthuluh | (just an idea) |
| 01:33.05 | evilbulgarian | cthuluh: i tried diff network card as well e100 / viarhine |
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| 01:33.26 | evilbulgarian | cthuluh: could it be related to clocksource? |
| 01:33.43 | evilbulgarian | cthuluh: i see dmesg is complaining about tsc not being able to be used so it uses acpi_pm |
| 01:33.43 | skegeek | I am probably referring to features of Unity. I had Ubuntu in VirtualBox for a few versions, didn't keep up, so there has been somewhat of a learning curve. |
| 01:34.25 | lduros | cthuluh: found it from non-free :-P not so good but some kind of an improvement, is there something to do to load the driver now? |
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| 01:35.11 | skegeek | I'll have to give Debian another shot on an older tower...haven't turned it on in quite a while. |
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| 01:35.41 | cthuluh | evilbulgarian: so paste the (whole) dmesg (after hitting that problem) and perhaps someone that has had the same problem might help |
| 01:36.01 | cthuluh | lduros: depends on your module |
| 01:36.09 | lduros | wow, is it beer or gnome shell that makes me dizzy :-{ |
| 01:36.15 | elkng | isnt it and issue for users to have quite old software ? |
| 01:36.19 | lduros | cthuluh: probably be iwlagn |
| 01:36.20 | cthuluh | lduros: you should really check the wiki, it probably has instructions about what to do |
| 01:36.27 | lduros | that would be the driver |
| 01:36.33 | lduros | maybe i'll try to reboot first |
| 01:36.47 | skegeek | If I'm not mistaken, Metacity is the predecessor to Unity right? Or am I misunderstanding what Unity actually is? |
| 01:36.53 | cthuluh | elkng: sorry? |
| 01:37.55 | lstarnes | elkng: metacity was gnome 2's window manager |
| 01:37.56 | lduros | cthuluh: thanks |
| 01:38.15 | elkng | are there mutch old software in stable debian ? |
| 01:38.42 | blackshirt | elkng: i don't think so |
| 01:38.52 | evilbulgarian | cthuluh: thats the thing nothing in dmesg about it |
| 01:38.58 | cthuluh | elkng: get the fuck out, you troll |
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| 01:39.08 | evilbulgarian | cthuluh: i see doropped count in ifconfig is alot tho |
| 01:39.16 | cthuluh | elkng: every time you open your mouth you say shit ; and since several months |
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| 01:39.32 | cthuluh | welcome back to my killfile, for the third time |
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| 01:40.13 | lduros | cthuluh: okkkk looks like it's loading after a reboot, i didn't do a modprobe or anything before then |
| 01:40.19 | lduros | cthuluh: do you use gnome shell? |
| 01:40.26 | cthuluh | cool and no |
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| 01:40.52 | lduros | cthuluh: ok :-P |
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| 01:41.24 | cthuluh | lduros: ratpoison ftw ;) |
| 01:41.28 | lduros | hehe |
| 01:41.46 | lduros | cthuluh: for some reason I can't give it the key though, it's wpa2 but it won't accept it |
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| 01:42.26 | elkng | cthuluh: are you a wizard |
| 01:42.32 | cthuluh | lduros: please refer to the relevant page of the wiki, it probably has information on how to debug |
| 01:42.49 | lduros | cthuluh: ah, it was asking for admin pass, not wpa2 pass ... :-P but it's not very obvious when it asks |
| 01:43.08 | cthuluh | erf |
| 01:43.38 | lduros | elkng: what's a wizard? |
| 01:43.54 | EricRaymond | A human with magical powers? |
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| 01:47.43 | nikihr | how do i enable php in apache? |
| 01:47.51 | nikihr | i did a2enmod php5 and reloaded |
| 01:47.53 | nikihr | still doesnt work |
| 01:48.50 | cthuluh | nikihr: go wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/PHP |
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| 01:50.52 | nikihr | cthuluh: doesnt say how to enable |
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| 01:52.21 | cthuluh | nikihr: but it points at the documentation in /usr/share/doc |
| 01:57.11 | lduros | how come I still can't edit /etc/sudoers after logging as super user? |
| 01:57.15 | lduros | I want to add my user as sudoer |
| 01:57.16 | lduros | :-( |
| 01:57.24 | lstarnes | lduros: did you try visudo? |
| 01:57.43 | lduros | lstarnes: no, i'll try now |
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| 01:58.25 | babilen | lduros: It is probably easiest to add your user to the "sudo" group with "adduser USERNAME sudo" if all you want/need is "USERNAME ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL" anyway |
| 01:58.37 | lduros | babilen: ok, thanks |
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| 01:59.03 | babilen | lduros: You have to relogin after adding your user |
| 01:59.21 | lduros | babilen: yeh looks like it coz then i tried sudo and it told me no way :-P |
| 01:59.44 | babilen | lduros: yeah, I've seen the report |
| 01:59.46 | lduros | coming back soonish |
| 01:59.46 | lduros | :-) |
| 02:00.01 | cthuluh | or, if you don't want to log out / log in, just add your login to sudoers |
| 02:00.13 | cthuluh | too late, too late :P |
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| 02:00.37 | babilen | cthuluh: Some newgrp - magic would have worked as well. Just figured that this is the easiest way. |
| 02:00.41 | lduros | good morning shadaloo! :-) |
| 02:00.59 | lduros | (now will someone know from which movie this comes from?) time to try sudo |
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| 02:04.35 | lduros | when I run "sensors" while using Ubuntu/Unity, it gives me 48C, when using Debian/GnomeShell it gives me 51C, does it mean my laptop is hotter when it wears Debian? |
| 02:05.07 | EricRaymond | if the processor is being used more |
| 02:05.30 | lduros | hmmm :-) |
| 02:05.30 | babilen | lduros: How many measurements did you take over which period of time? |
| 02:05.40 | EricRaymond | I know, it was like 2 weeks later :D |
| 02:05.48 | lduros | pressing the "up" key time and time again |
| 02:05.51 | lduros | :-) |
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| 02:19.16 | lfs | Can Squeeze play youtube videos? |
| 02:19.24 | EricRaymond | yes, install flash |
| 02:19.38 | EricRaymond | you might have issues with higher resolution stuff however due to the lack of hw acceleration |
| 02:19.41 | EricRaymond | 720/1080p |
| 02:19.49 | EricRaymond | depending on your processor, screen resolution ,etc |
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| 02:21.26 | lfs | Debian:/home/lfs# apt-cache show flash |
| 02:21.26 | lfs | N: Unable to locate package flash |
| 02:22.33 | zykotick9 | lfs: gnash for free implementation or flashplugin-nonfree from contrib repo |
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| 02:27.23 | zykotick9 | is there a way to use ALT keys with irssi in xterm? (eterm/aterm work fine) |
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| 02:32.59 | skilz | How can I download and install the artwiz-fonts? |
| 02:34.34 | niftylettuce | hey guys, just installed fresh version of Debian Squeeze and I'm trying to get my i3-2330M integrated HD 3000 graphics to work |
| 02:34.40 | _raven | anyone who knows about flightgear? |
| 02:35.09 | lfs | So how to get the gnash player to play youtube? |
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| 02:35.31 | niftylettuce | previously I had to add kernel options to my 3.x.x+ kernel in Ubuntu 11.10, but I wanted to revert back to gnome2 and keep things simple with debian. however I'm not sure if I simply should add the kernel flags as I did before to get my i915 working properly (e.g. I don't know if my debian kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64 will support this |
| 02:35.48 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there every one ... can't i format to ntfs in gparted ? |
| 02:36.31 | naryfa | cobra-the-joker: yes you can |
| 02:37.22 | cobra-the-joker | naryfa, the filesystem is grayed when i create the partition ! |
| 02:38.05 | naryfa | I might be wrong but doesn't ntfs-3g need to be installed? |
| 02:38.45 | cobra-the-joker | naryfa, i have it installed ...i can mount but cant create |
| 02:40.24 | winfred | zykotick9: possible 8bit problem? turn the "xterm.eightBitInput" and "xterm.eightBitOutput" to true in your .Xresources |
| 02:40.34 | naryfa | cobra-the-joker: what if you try palimpsest (disk utility) ? |
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| 02:40.47 | cobra-the-joker | naryfa, ok will see |
| 02:40.49 | lfs | Does iceweasel work with gnash? |
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| 02:43.09 | zykotick9 | lfs: yes |
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| 02:44.19 | zykotick9 | winfred: thanks - i'll research that - as i don't currently have any idea what it means ;) |
| 02:44.53 | skilz | Whats the name of that html color selector for gtk? |
| 02:45.05 | _raven | flightgear: how to start engines of a 737 |
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| 02:46.30 | zykotick9 | winfred: google's first result for "xterm.eightBitInput" includes "Alt != Meta" in result - this looks promising. Thanks again. |
| 02:47.19 | chickalickalun | What is a module ABI versions, what is xorg-video-abi-10 |
| 02:47.22 | chickalickalun | I recently installed some sid packages to wheezy, libgl1-nvidia-legacy-96xx-glx_96.43.20-2_i386.deb and nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-dkms_96.43.20-2_i386.deb |
| 02:47.28 | chickalickalun | I removed all the 290.10 versions, and now as I boot up, it shows the logon screen with the mouse centered in the lower right quadrant |
| 02:47.32 | lfs | It says I need to upgrade to adobe flash |
| 02:47.36 | chickalickalun | then it makes a "beep" noise, tries to change resolution or goes blank, and starts all over again |
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| 02:47.57 | chickalickalun | The error I'm getting is involving xorg-xserver-abi-11, it says it needs version 10.0, 8.0 or 6.0 |
| 02:48.04 | chickalickalun | the package I installed was sid's version of xserver-xorg-core_1.11.2.902-1_i386.deb along with some dependencies from sid |
| 02:48.14 | chickalickalun | How can I stop my error? I checked google extensively with no help coming from there. I even put a segment in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to ignore whatever ABI is completely: Section "ServerFlags" Option "IgnoreABI" "true" EndSection |
| 02:48.22 | chickalickalun | Should I install ALL sid xorg packages? Is that what is causing my problem? I'm doing what is similar to a "backport" |
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| 02:51.13 | lfs | Maybe I should purge and then install Iceweasel? |
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| 02:53.16 | lfs | Is there any problem with purging and then installing ice weasel? |
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| 02:54.27 | lfs | I can't think of one. I am going to go for it. |
| 02:55.42 | lfs | Should I run apt-get auto-remove? |
| 02:55.59 | EricRaymond | apt-get --purge remove iceweasel;apt-get install iceweasel |
| 02:55.59 | lfs | I have a whole gob of packages that are no longer needed. |
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| 02:58.20 | lfs | I still don't have youtube videos |
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| 03:02.01 | zykotick9 | winfred: your suggestion led me to the solution (in a round about way) -- ctrl+leftclick then "meta sends escape" (unsure yet if this is permanent fix, i'm still researching creating a .Xresource file). |
| 03:02.49 | lfs | For your safety, Firefox has dFor your safety, Firefox has disabled your outdated version of Flash. Please upgrade to the latest version. |
| 03:02.49 | lfs | isabled your outdated version of Flash. Please upgrade to the latest version. |
| 03:02.58 | flaarg | lfs: if you are on wheezy, you can do what I did and just install chromium for youtube videos |
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| 03:03.10 | EricRaymond | yeah, chrome has built in flash and it's stables :D |
| 03:03.15 | lfs | I think I can install flash |
| 03:03.21 | lfs | BUt I want to try gnash |
| 03:03.36 | EricRaymond | shouldn't you solve the problem first, then try new weird stuff :D |
| 03:07.13 | winfred | zykotick9: hmm.. then it should be "XTerm.vt100.altSendsEscape" for the .Xresources |
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| 03:09.34 | lfs | I think you need flash to run youtube videos |
| 03:09.36 | zykotick9 | winfred: thanks... again! |
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| 03:10.05 | Rachel88 | Make Money Using http://fb.weightdeals.com/ |
| 03:10.15 | flaarg | lfs: yes for most of them |
| 03:10.26 | EricRaymond | switch to their html 5 player |
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| 03:14.22 | lampe2 | hey i got a problem with postfix i wane send a mail to user@domian.com and he sends it to user but i wanne that he sends it to user.domian cause this is the username is there a way to do this? |
| 03:14.43 | EricRaymond | user.domain@domain.com |
| 03:14.44 | EricRaymond | ? |
| 03:14.50 | flaarg | or user@user.domain.com? |
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| 03:16.05 | lampe2 | what works now: user.domian@domian.com but i wanne say postix that if he gets a email with user@domian he send it to user.domian@domian.com |
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| 03:17.36 | Wyzard | !ops chickalickalun is /msg'ing questions to people who join the channel, both here and on OFTC |
| 03:17.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: wyzard complains about: chickalickalun is /msg'ing questions to people who join the channel, both here and on OFTC |
| 03:17.38 | tdubellz | chickalickalun: you should ask in here |
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| 03:17.51 | gimpy941 | lampe2: That's an alias. |
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| 03:18.34 | lampe2 | so i need to update the aliases.db ? |
| 03:19.18 | gimpy941 | lampe2: man newalias |
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| 03:19.58 | gimpy941 | lampe2: Unless you want everything to be user@domain.tld by default and not user.domain@domain.tld, in that case you need to change your main config. |
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| 03:20.46 | gimpy941 | lampe2: Alos, man aliases should have info if the other man does not. |
| 03:21.10 | acu | I am installing wheezy and have two options for kernel linux -image-3.10-1amd64 and linux-image-amd64 (it means that the second choice will always update to the latest kernel ? |
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| 03:22.14 | flaarg | acu: yes |
| 03:22.29 | acu | thx |
| 03:22.33 | EricRaymond | that's called the bye bye installed modules kernel |
| 03:22.34 | EricRaymond | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:22.39 | EricRaymond | because your modules keep going away |
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| 03:22.51 | flaarg | thats why you install modules through dpkg :o |
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| 03:23.23 | flaarg | I think dkms should support them upgrading gracefully |
| 03:23.44 | Jimmy_Kash | Whats the performance differance between creating a swap file or swap volume? |
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| 03:25.04 | acu | so what is with modules and dkms / |
| 03:25.14 | EricRaymond | jimmy- I read it's almost the same now |
| 03:25.27 | gimpy941 | I'm trying to get KVM/libvirt working but I keep getting conflicting answers. I want VMs I can manage via virt-manager. If I run qemu as myself and create VMs with virt-install as myself I can;t see my VMs with virt-manage as they are in a limited 'user' KVM or something like that. |
| 03:25.28 | Jimmy_Kash | EricRaymond: yeah i have read a lot of conflicting theories |
| 03:25.30 | gimpy941 | So instead I was told by #virt to move the VMs to be owned by root with undefine as myself and define as root. I did this and the VMs now show up in virt-manage but I can't start any of them! See http://dpaste.com/673511/. |
| 03:25.56 | lampe2 | okay i got the problem postfix is not loading the virtual.db file how can i change that? |
| 03:26.00 | EricRaymond | jimmy, It's possible that the swap partition is more optimized for that kind of file |
| 03:26.46 | Jimmy_Kash | EricRaymond: do you know, if I make a swap file, do I need to restart or anything? |
| 03:26.51 | flaarg | Jimmy_Kash: no |
| 03:26.56 | gimpy941 | lampe2: Is main.conf or whatever it is called pointing to the correct location? |
| 03:26.58 | flaarg | swapon I think is the command |
| 03:27.00 | Jimmy_Kash | flaarg: sweet thx |
| 03:27.59 | acu | gimpy941, change your nick first :) anyhow what exactly do u want ? first - you should add your normal user to libvirt ---- adduser acu libvirt ---- second make sure the disk you have your .img is mounted and accesible |
| 03:28.16 | acu | use virt-manager - it is easier |
| 03:28.23 | EricRaymond | jimmy no |
| 03:28.25 | lampe2 | gimpy941 no there is no entry |
| 03:28.28 | EricRaymond | mkswap, swapon |
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| 03:29.18 | lampe2 | okay added it |
| 03:30.49 | acu | gimpy941, of course after you do --- adduser gimy libvirt --- logout and login again - and try virt-manager before virsh - it is easier |
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| 03:33.20 | gimpy941 | acu: My user *is* a member of that group. I don't care about easier, I care about what works. I still get permission denied if I start a VM as myself or as root. Qemu can't read the disk image and I don't know why. |
| 03:34.10 | gimpy941 | lampe2: Postfix is very well documented, have you read the documentation? http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html |
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| 03:35.26 | gimpy941 | acu: Does Qemu run as libvirt-qemu in Squeeze? That user is a member of a group which has rw access to the file and its parent dir. Even if I chown to that user, same error. |
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| 03:37.12 | Dev0n | is seeing argument lists for running programs in processor list, due to OS or the actual program running ? |
| 03:37.29 | lampe2 | gimpy941 yes i have done it now i got a problem with the dns that he do not update the domain ... |
| 03:37.48 | gimpy941 | lampe2: ??? |
| 03:38.06 | Dev0n | something like, python foo.py -b -a -r, is it possible to hide those arguments to just show foo.py or something when looking at the process list? |
| 03:38.07 | acu | gimpy941, the rights for your image shoudl be libvirt-kemu kvm you have something else |
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| 03:38.37 | gimpy941 | Dev0n: man ps, there are options which don't print arguments. |
| 03:38.38 | lampe2 | gimpy941 when i now send a email to my domian he sends it to the right user but to a old domian |
| 03:38.49 | acu | tyou would have -rw---------- libvirt -kemu kvm to your image |
| 03:38.51 | gimpy941 | acu: ok, let me try that. |
| 03:38.53 | Dev0n | gimpy47, I don't want anyone to see the arguments |
| 03:39.05 | Dev0n | some way to mask it so no one can see it, idk if this is app or OS level |
| 03:39.16 | gimpy941 | Dev0n: I'm not aware of a way to do that. |
| 03:39.20 | flaarg | Dev0n: its OS level |
| 03:39.25 | Dev0n | damn |
| 03:39.51 | Dev0n | any os system calls I do to hide it ? |
| 03:40.04 | Dev0n | I could do* |
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| 03:40.25 | Jimmy_Kash | WHy am I getting |
| 03:40.29 | Jimmy_Kash | swapon: /swapfile1: swapon failed: Operation not permitted |
| 03:40.37 | flaarg | Jimmy_Kash: did you do mkswap? |
| 03:41.14 | flaarg | dd blah blah urswap; mkswap urswap; swapon urswap |
| 03:41.17 | Jimmy_Kash | yeap |
| 03:41.25 | gimpy941 | acu: Same error even with the image and parent dir chown'd to libvirt-qemu:kvm. |
| 03:41.26 | Jimmy_Kash | all worked fine |
| 03:41.30 | Jimmy_Kash | until i get permission issue |
| 03:41.32 | flaarg | and you need to run swapon as root |
| 03:41.39 | Jimmy_Kash | i did |
| 03:41.42 | Jimmy_Kash | well sudo |
| 03:42.10 | Jimmy_Kash | do i need to chmod the swapfile? |
| 03:42.12 | acu | gimpy941, does it work - it should - the Urobilin folder should be accesible by root - I think (is the equivalent of images) -- by default in squeeze this is in /var/lib/libvirt/images/yourimage.img |
| 03:42.18 | Jimmy_Kash | i wouldnt imagine I would as I am root |
| 03:42.48 | acu | up to your image.img the folders have root assigned to access them |
| 03:43.12 | gimpy941 | acu: Hold on, I'm testing some other ideas. |
| 03:43.16 | acu | gimpy941, the parent dirs are root root |
| 03:43.27 | flaarg | Jimmy_Kash: I dunno I just did dd ...;sudo mkswap swapfile; sudo swapon swapfile and it worked |
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| 03:43.46 | Jimmy_Kash | is there anything to do with it being a vps that could cause that |
| 03:43.58 | flaarg | I have no idea |
| 03:43.59 | acu | I am not sure - but I think you need to either change the pool (with virsh edit something) or addd a new pool where the images are |
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| 03:44.43 | dsdeiz | hi, trying out cclive although it seems cclive is an old version in squeeze. any ways to find an updated version one? can't seem to find in squeeze-backports |
| 03:45.44 | flaarg | Jimmy_Kash: is your vps running openvz? |
| 03:46.32 | Jimmy_Kash | yeeep |
| 03:46.37 | Jimmy_Kash | is that the issue? |
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| 03:46.41 | flaarg | seems to be |
| 03:46.47 | flaarg | after a quick google search |
| 03:46.48 | Jimmy_Kash | oh nuts |
| 03:47.03 | flaarg | looks like openvz manages a single swap for all the vms |
| 03:47.04 | gimpy941 | acu: It seems to want write acces to the whole path, not just the part dir. If I chmod 777 /media /media/VM /media/VM/Prod then chown -R libvirt-qemu:kvm /media/VM/Prod/Urobilin2 it works. |
| 03:47.09 | Jimmy_Kash | yeah I couldnt find anything... |
| 03:47.14 | Jimmy_Kash | oh i see. |
| 03:48.18 | gimpy941 | acu: I guess I need to chown -R libvirt-qemu:kvm /media/VM but I have VMware VMs in there now and can't test that. |
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| 03:48.46 | Jimmy_Kash | flaarg: thanks man for the help |
| 03:49.22 | gimpy941 | acu: No, it even needs write acces on /media! wtf? |
| 03:49.32 | acu | gimpy941, you do not need 777 I can look at defaults but is the root who needs those other folders as I said |
| 03:49.32 | niftylettuce | I'm only getting 1024x768 resolution, why is that? |
| 03:50.11 | gimpy941 | acu: Anything running as root needs no special mode, root can access anything. |
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| 03:52.11 | flaarg | you can run commands as root that run other commands as a lesser user |
| 03:54.50 | Dev0n | flaarg, a module called setproctitle in python can be used to change it :) |
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| 03:55.15 | Dev0n | also gimpy941 |
| 03:55.46 | flaarg | thats kinda cool it tricks the os |
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| 03:58.48 | gimpy941 | Dev0n: That may come in handy for my MySQL backups since they look like mysqldump --user=foo --pass=bar. |
| 03:59.05 | Dev0n | yup :D |
| 03:59.36 | flaarg | ah ok it looks like it edits the /proc/PID/environ file |
| 04:00.14 | dwfreed | All it really needs to change is /proc/PID/cmdline |
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| 04:08.46 | Devastaot | how can i downgrade gcc from 4.4.5 to 4.1.2? |
| 04:09.10 | Devastaot | do i just symlink gcc-4.1 to gcc? |
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| 04:11.37 | naiv | yep |
| 04:12.31 | Hideme | My server keeps running into swap and eventaully locks up. Saw some OOM error with Apache2 in the past and it's slowly creeping out of memory now. Can anyone suggest a way to narrow down the cause? |
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| 04:14.29 | ChrisPartridge | Hideme: using php? |
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| 04:15.20 | naiv | Devastaot, relink it is the way, but if you want to do things properly you can also use dpkg-divert --add --rename /usr/bin/gcc |
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| 04:16.34 | Hideme | ChrisPartridge Yes. With the debian default of 128MB max limit. |
| 04:16.38 | Hideme | server only has 512 MB |
| 04:16.42 | Hideme | total |
| 04:17.19 | ChrisPartridge | Hideme: your php memory_limit is at 128MB ? |
| 04:18.32 | Hideme | ChrisPartridge yes. located in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 04:18.45 | Hideme | Was the default in debian 5. |
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| 04:18.54 | ChrisPartridge | Hideme: does it need to be that high? you realise that is per request memory_limit ? |
| 04:19.15 | ChrisPartridge | Hideme: running mysql or something similar on same box? |
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| 04:19.47 | Hideme | ChrisPartridge mysql, but the DB is on another. |
| 04:20.43 | esprimo | Do you have a lot of vistors? |
| 04:20.44 | LeLutin | Hideme: check out how high is the MaxClients limit. if you take the current highest memory your apache2 processes take up and multiply that by MaxClients, you get the amount of RAM that you would need to serve the requests. |
| 04:21.14 | esprimo | May be worth looking in to nginx or lighty, apache doesn't really scale that well |
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| 04:21.43 | LeLutin | Hideme: you probably want to lower down the maxclients if you have only 512Mb |
| 04:21.51 | Hideme | LeLutin MaxRequestsPerChild 5000 MaxClients 150 |
| 04:22.28 | Hideme | esprimo a few thousand a day. |
| 04:22.34 | LeLutin | Hideme: do you see how much ram your processes take at the moment? (ps ax | grep apache) |
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| 04:24.03 | Hideme | LeLutin 24023 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start |
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| 04:25.21 | Hideme | ChrisPartridge So lower the max huh? |
| 04:25.27 | hikenboot | anyone know how to fix on debian ISCSI ? storage does not support iscsi page 83h VPD descriptors for cluster disk 0 |
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| 04:25.59 | LeLutin | Hideme: oops, silly me it's ps aux, with ax you don't get the memory consumption :P |
| 04:26.02 | hikenboot | debian iscsi target, microsoft initiator with microsoft cluster disks |
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| 04:26.56 | ChrisPartridge | Hideme: I generally run 24-32MB max, unless your processing massive amounts of data or have poorly code - you might need to up it |
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| 04:27.23 | edbian | What is the cli name of 'eye of gnome' 2.30.2 ? |
| 04:27.30 | flaarg | eog I think |
| 04:28.05 | LeLutin | Hideme: in the "ps aux" output, the 6th column tells you how much memory is used (in kilobytes) |
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| 04:28.09 | Hideme | LeLutin there are two using 19%, the others are all 8% to 1% memory. |
| 04:28.37 | Hideme | ChrisPartridge Oh boy.. I'll try 32 then. |
| 04:28.44 | LeLutin | Hideme: oh ok .. so maybe some rogue script busted the memory then.. does it happen frequently? |
| 04:29.59 | Hideme | LeLutin daily. If I don't restart apache every week the box becomes unresponsive. |
| 04:30.33 | Hideme | I can restartt apache and watch it slowly crawl using up memory. |
| 04:30.42 | ChrisPartridge | Hideme: most likely sprining up too many apache threads and dying |
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| 04:31.12 | Hideme | ChrisPartridge My apache config is very modest. |
| 04:31.36 | ChrisPartridge | Hideme: whats your Start, Min, Max, Limit? |
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| 04:33.57 | Hideme | StartServers 4 MinSpareServers 3 MaxSpareServers 10 MaxClients 150 MaxRequestsPerChild 5000 |
| 04:34.00 | LeLutin | ChrisPartridge: I agree with you that the limits must be lowered, but with what Hideme described, there's one or two processes that take up most of the ram so the best option would be to pin down what blows up like that |
| 04:35.17 | Hideme | So now that I lowered the max_limit on php, apache threads are 9% - 1% usage. |
| 04:36.21 | ChrisPartridge | LeLutin: most certainly |
| 04:36.41 | ChrisPartridge | Hideme: KeepAlive on or off? |
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| 04:37.48 | Hideme | ChrisPartridge On |
| 04:38.00 | ChrisPartridge | Hideme: and the KeepAliveTimeout ? |
| 04:38.21 | Hideme | 2 |
| 04:38.43 | Hideme | with MaxKeepAliveRequests 80 |
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| 04:39.08 | ChrisPartridge | That should be ok, I would certainly lower the MaxClients to prevent the server overloading in that respect - that way when the server gets busy, clients don't get responses and your server stays alive |
| 04:39.27 | ChrisPartridge | and then as LeLutin suggested, track down what's causing memory to spike |
| 04:39.45 | Hideme | Tracking it down is the hard part |
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| 04:40.54 | ChrisPartridge | Hideme: using any OS php packages? |
| 04:40.58 | LeLutin | Hideme: do you serve a lot of sites with php applications? the best bet would posibly be to check out the sites with the most traffic first. try and see in the logs what URLs are requested when the memory begins to spike |
| 04:41.42 | Hideme | The memory doesn't just spike... it's a slow bleed of less and less memory. |
| 04:41.54 | Hideme | ChrisPartridge php 5 |
| 04:42.22 | LeLutin | bleh, that's a killer then :\ it's harder to see what causes the problem then |
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| 04:44.35 | Hideme | I might do a fresh install and slowly bring the 3 sites back online. |
| 04:44.40 | Hideme | one at a time. |
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| 04:45.15 | ChrisPartridge | Hideme: Are the applications custom? or using wordpress etc? |
| 04:45.24 | Buttons840 | my iceweasel in squeeze stable is at version 3.5 but firefox is at version 8 - although I think FF may have a different versioning scheme? whatever the case, I know the latest FF release has features that my iceweasel doesn't, how can i get the latest iceweasel? |
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| 04:46.33 | Hideme | ChrisPartridge One is Drupal, the other two are custom. Odd thing is I've disabled them one at a time to see which site was the problem and the isses remain. |
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| 04:47.49 | ChrisPartridge | Hideme: what version of debian/php/apache are you running? |
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| 04:48.27 | Hideme | debian 5 apache2 php5 |
| 04:49.08 | ChrisPartridge | Hideme: What did you set your memory_limit too? |
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| 04:49.30 | Hideme | 32MB |
| 04:49.57 | LeLutin | Hideme: it's possible that it doesn't help in the end but if you're lucky it can stop the bleeding before the server dies. you could try to lower MaxRequestsPerChild to something like 1000 |
| 04:50.21 | LeLutin | this way the processes will die faster and clear out their memory |
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| 05:01.11 | acu | hey guys - is the search function in GNOME Debian squeeze screwed ? It does not seem to search - find anything |
| 05:02.42 | Hideme | ChrisPartridge So now that the max limit is down... I get this error on one of the scripts. Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 33554432 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 77 bytes) i |
| 05:04.20 | ChrisPartridge | Hideme: something there is using more than 32mb |
| 05:04.45 | edbian | flaarg: You were right, it was eog, thank you! |
| 05:07.21 | ChrisPartridge | Hideme: what is that script doing? can it be optimized? |
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| 05:09.23 | Hideme | ChrisPartridge Not really, it's a frankinstein script. I'm going to do a total overhaul on it. But again, the mem issue remains even when that site is offline. |
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| 05:14.09 | ChrisPartridge | Hideme: php is generally good at releasing memory at the end of script execution. So unless you have a memory leak in apache, probably not much else that could be causing the issue apart from load/poor code |
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| 05:27.55 | NiLon | ChrisPartridge tho if using php as apache module it will not free memory after each execution |
| 05:28.07 | NiLon | it will free only once child dies |
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| 05:33.08 | Hideme | Thanks for the suggestions guys. I'll just have to play around a bit more |
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| 06:04.48 | gimpy941 | rypervenche: Not a local user as far as I know. local users will be in /etc/passwd or whatever file you hold users in. You could do it with LDAP or any other remote auth system I guess but there would still be a record in logs and such of the user logging in. |
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| 06:05.51 | rypervenche | gimpy941: Ok, well is it possible to not have a home folder? Or would I have to name it something with a . in front of it? |
| 06:06.13 | gimpy941 | rypervenche: Yea, just don't create it with a home folder. man useradd |
| 06:06.19 | rypervenche | Ok, thanks^^ |
| 06:06.40 | gimpy941 | ..or set the home to /tmp or something, but that could have problems. |
| 06:07.50 | gimpy941 | Actually, it might require a home directory to be set even if the user never gets a shell. Set the home for the user to /tmp, /var/tmp, /usr/home//foo, or something of the like. |
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| 06:22.28 | rypervenche | gimpy941: What would the double slash do in "/usr/home//foo" ? |
| 06:22.59 | tensorpudding | nothing |
| 06:23.03 | gimpy941 | rypervenche: Just a typo, and it's just an example anyway. |
| 06:23.28 | rypervenche | Ah ok. |
| 06:24.04 | rypervenche | Is there any place to find the list of users on a system? |
| 06:24.35 | simonlnu | better it be something like /nonexistent |
| 06:24.40 | dokma | hey guyz. my ssh is setup to run from inetd. I'd like to run it as ordinary daemon. otherwise I'd just try it but it's on a dedicated box in a datacenter and ssh is the only access point so I want to get it right the first time. |
| 06:24.49 | simonlnu | rypervenche: getent passwd |
| 06:24.58 | dokma | so is deleting the inetd.conf entry the only thing I need to do? |
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| 06:25.28 | gimpy941 | rypervenche: What simonlnu said or normally /etc/passwd for local (non-LDAP or whatever) users. |
| 06:25.29 | end | hey whats the package name for perl HTML::Grabber |
| 06:25.50 | blackshirt | rypervenche: you mean user "registered" or user doing login ? |
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| 06:27.06 | rypervenche | blackshirt: registered. I know I can use w and who for logins. |
| 06:27.08 | rypervenche | Thank you all :) |
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| 06:28.38 | simonlnu | that also works for ldap, nis(+), etc. |
| 06:28.43 | blackshirt | likes gimpy941 said, you can look at /etc/passwd file |
| 06:28.53 | blackshirt | for local user account |
| 06:29.06 | simonlnu | passwd file for local unix of course =) |
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| 06:29.39 | gimpy941 | Local unix accounts, the only ones that really matter anyway. |
| 06:30.45 | folivora | Gday, is there any working for of Adobe shockwave player for iceweasel ? |
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| 06:32.05 | simonlnu | not in debian. go see adobe.com. |
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| 06:38.00 | folivora | kk, and gnash wont fix the problem... |
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| 06:39.36 | justonce | In wheezy, how do I downgrade xorg-xserver from 1.11.2 to 1.10.4~bpo60+1 from the squeeze-backports |
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| 06:41.54 | simonlnu | could try aptitude install package=fullversionincludingdebianversion >> xserver-xorg=1.10.4\~bpo60+1 |
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| 07:00.16 | FnorZ | is there a channel admin here? |
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| 07:00.27 | rypervenche | Should I use "sync" after I finish my rsync backup script? I just learned about the command yesterday and am not quite sure what it does. |
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| 07:00.53 | rypervenche | s/finish/run/ |
| 07:01.18 | FnorZ | needs a channel admin. |
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| 07:02.25 | lstarnes | FnorZ: /msg chanserv access #debian list |
| 07:03.00 | FnorZ | lstarnes, thx |
| 07:03.46 | folivora | Anyone using this http://exchange.nagios.org/directory/Plugins/Uncategorized/Operating-Systems/Linux/check-debian-packages/details ? |
| 07:04.01 | folivora | If so, has it been working or not =) |
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| 07:14.50 | LeLutin | folivora: don't know if it works or not but I personally wouldn't want to get woken up during the night by a 100 calls because there's a package upgrade pending, so I wouldn't install this :P |
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| 07:18.22 | crosswalk | Going though a guide that says the directory colors are in a file called /etc/DIR_COLORS, but I'm not able to find it there. Any idea where this would be? |
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| 07:32.57 | folivora | LeLutin: yes, but you can configure nagios to call you only if critical updates are pending =) |
| 07:33.07 | folivora | kinda critical environment |
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| 07:33.23 | skilz | how can i format a usb stick? |
| 07:34.09 | skilz | it's /dev/sdc |
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| 07:34.29 | blackshirt | skilz: you can use fdisk, parted, or cfdisk, |
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| 07:35.13 | folivora | skilz: also there are some X apps for it |
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| 07:41.48 | skilz | Any gtk program to format drives? |
| 07:42.16 | lstarnes | skilz: gparted |
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| 07:45.20 | codepal | dircproxy on my debian server isn't connecting - Connection failed: No child processes |
| 07:45.26 | codepal | any ideas? |
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| 07:59.44 | iluminator105 | how do i reset gnome to default settings and programs |
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| 08:00.40 | sephii | Hey there, yesterday I lost 2 hours of work because of a dumb `rm`. Fortunately I had a backup (which made me lose "only" 2 hours of work) but I'm looking for a solution which would do "real-time backup" like watching the files for changes (inotify?) and doing incremental backups. Do you know of any existing solution like this? |
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| 08:02.07 | mjt | sephii: and doing rm in real time too? :) |
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| 08:03.20 | sephii | mjt: well I don't know, maybe it should store the new state of the file instead of constantly overwriting the same copy (otherwise I could just setup some raid or something like that) |
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| 08:04.35 | mjt | there's a solution like that available on windows servers (i forgot the name). Nothing like that is available on linux iirc - i tried to find but failed. |
| 08:04.57 | blackshirt | how to lists installed packages with apt-get or apt-cache ?? |
| 08:05.02 | blackshirt | not dpkg or aptitude |
| 08:05.09 | lstarnes | dpkg -l? |
| 08:05.09 | dpkg | Files in package lstarnes-pr0n: /srv/lstarnes-pr0n/lstarnes.jpg |
| 08:05.44 | lstarnes | uhh |
| 08:06.09 | lstarnes | yeah, that |
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| 08:06.57 | blackshirt | lstarnes: not with dpkg |
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| 08:22.26 | sephii | mjt: too bad, thanks anyway |
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| 08:22.46 | mjt | in win it is called "shadow copy" |
| 08:23.11 | leefan | argh sometimes i hate myself for being on sid |
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| 08:23.32 | leefan | everything is choosing to fall apart recently |
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| 08:24.09 | sephii | mjt: thanks |
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| 08:24.38 | aristotle | hey there debian channel, i've got an annoying system beep i can't seem to get rid of. |
| 08:25.18 | aristotle | i find that when i blacklist the pcspkr module, i still get a beep, just at a different pitch |
| 08:25.55 | aristotle | also, i still get a beep on startup seemingly before the kernel loads |
| 08:26.06 | aristotle | on an acer aspire 722 |
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| 08:26.38 | aristotle | googling the issue seems to just turn up the blacklisting of the pcspkr as the standard solution |
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| 08:26.57 | aristotle | i'm quite perplexed about this cos something deeper is still beeping at me. |
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| 08:29.51 | sephii | aristotle: have you tried "xset b off" by any chance? |
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| 08:30.41 | aristotle | haven't tried that one. i'll try it now |
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| 08:31.29 | aristotle | wow, sephii, i think you just changed my life! |
| 08:31.53 | sephii | aristotle: great, this never worked for me, glad to see it worked for you :) |
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| 08:32.06 | aristotle | i am happily typing keys that i shouldn't be typing and enjoying a peaceful quiet situation with no beeping! |
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| 08:32.33 | aristotle | yeah that's great. i just switched over from gnome to xfce |
| 08:32.41 | aristotle | and that's when i started getting all sorts of beeping |
| 08:33.01 | aristotle | i'm sorta thinking that i'll still get the beep on boot, but things are much quieter now |
| 08:33.04 | icedtea | sephii: thats interesting, just today I was also thinking of making a program that basically watches the file system with inotify or whatever and does a diff whenever a file is changed and stores all the changes (along with timestamps) so that you can back and see all the different versions. |
| 08:33.05 | aristotle | which is really nice. |
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| 08:34.27 | sephii | icedtea: that's exactly what I was thinking of. The basic impediment right now is that inotify doesn't work recursively. Even if you can watch all of the subdirectories independently there's a limit defined in /proc... |
| 08:35.06 | sephii | aristotle: on boot? do you mean when you enter your bios password? |
| 08:36.34 | aristotle | sephii: i do get a beep on boot, i also get one (even now) if I pull out AC power (or replug AC power) |
| 08:37.03 | aristotle | i've looked into the bios config, but can't find any option related to a system beep. |
| 08:37.27 | aristotle | i don't remember my bios info now, but this has been an issue ever since i've had the computer |
| 08:37.32 | leefan | imean if you don't want the speaker theres always the possibility of just removing it :3 |
| 08:37.35 | sephii | aristotle: I think these ones are hardware controlled... so your last chance would be to open your laptop and cut the speaker cables :) I had the same problem on an HP pavilion |
| 08:37.38 | aristotle | (about three months now) acer aspire one 722 |
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| 08:38.23 | aristotle | sephii, leefan: things haven't come to cutting wires yet... but who knows. |
| 08:39.05 | aristotle | in any case, xfce was being very noisy, beeping all willy nilly, all the time. |
| 08:39.16 | leefan | did these beeps not happen in gnome? |
| 08:39.31 | aristotle | in gnome, i found an option to say "no system beeps" |
| 08:40.14 | aristotle | i don't remember where it was. obviously, it wasn't actually dealing with all the system beeps, as i was saying..., , but it wasn't beeping at me whenever i pressed escape at the terminal window (for example |
| 08:40.41 | leefan | imean the beeps currently in question: ac adapter and startup |
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| 08:41.07 | aristotle | oh, those were there in gnome as well. |
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| 08:41.31 | leefan | hmm and you can't find anything in bios? |
| 08:41.41 | leefan | well the first beep is most likely a post test |
| 08:41.48 | leefan | on startup that is |
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| 08:41.49 | aristotle | yeah, i seem to have a small set of options available to me in the bios |
| 08:42.05 | leefan | what kind of bios do you have? |
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| 08:43.30 | aristotle | i spent some intensive time erasing windows and setting up debian when i got this compu a few months ago. at the time, disabling system beep was definintely on my agenda. i remember looking around in the bios settings, but never succeeding. to be honest, i don't remember much of the bios info now, but i do specifically remember looking in there several times for any options related to sound and speakers. |
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| 08:43.56 | aristotle | it's only that xfce was so beepy when i switched over last week which brought the issue back up |
| 08:44.12 | leefan | yea lots of default linux packages like to beep |
| 08:44.24 | aristotle | so googling basically brought up the blacklisting of the pcspkr module |
| 08:44.34 | leefan | i had to go disable happy when i decided to customize my debian install |
| 08:45.09 | aristotle | which was really funny when i decided to do modprobe -v pcpskr, and then modprobe -r pcskpr----both states gave beeps, just at different pitches! |
| 08:46.07 | aristotle | i'm new to xfce, one of my gripes leaving gnome was that gnome 3 seemed to be taking away options, now new to xfce, i don't know where to find those options |
| 08:46.21 | totte | I'm wondering about SMB/NFS/AFP versus SFTP/FTP but not finding any good answers. I always understood the former three as something you only use in local networks while the latter two are preferable for worldwide access. Could SMB/NFS/AFP be preferable in some situations though for access from outside the local network to a NAS or similar machine? |
| 08:46.41 | aristotle | so things like mapping caps lock -> escape and enabling tap to click on the touchpad were priorities. |
| 08:47.13 | sephii | aristotle: maybe there are just no options in xfce for this. did you look in alsamixer if you have a "speaker" or "beep" channel? |
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| 08:50.04 | aristotle | sephii: actualy, i think the command you suggested has quieted xfce to the level that gnome was quiet. so i'm quite satisfied |
| 08:50.16 | aristotle | we'll see if i end up cutting the speaker wire for the rest. |
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| 08:52.53 | kandros | yep apt-get knife -Cut-wire works like a charm |
| 08:53.03 | simonlnu | totte: former: networked filesystems, latter network file access (sftp fyi is with ssh, ftps [or ftp-ssl] is different) |
| 08:53.31 | aristotle | okay bye debian room! many thanks sephii and leefan |
| 08:53.50 | leefan | although i didn't do anything lol |
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| 08:55.32 | betim | hi, i just installed debian on a dell optiplex 390 with hda-intel sound driver, but when listening music is without bass, only treble, it's like listening through speaker phone (i know this is alsa related, but no one in #alsa is responding) any ideas how to fix this? |
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| 08:59.24 | jsoft | You guys aware of any music making progams? |
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| 09:01.27 | totte | simonlnu: Thanks, but are there security reasons to use network file access over network filesystems? I see a lot of tests where NFS (for example) streams video faster than SFTP on local networks. A relative wants to only use NFS or similar instead of SFTP no matter from where he connects though. I use SFTP but mentioned FTP anyway. |
| 09:02.35 | jsoft | totte: well it will be faster only because of the encryption. So it's simply a case of encrypted traffic vs unencrpyted |
| 09:02.36 | leefan | music making programs as in notation software or sequencers? |
| 09:02.47 | totte | I've never thought about it and always used SFTP to access web servers and NFS/etc to stream video. |
| 09:02.49 | jsoft | Sequencers |
| 09:03.13 | michelem | folks |
| 09:03.51 | leefan | well reason 5 seems to work alright on wine |
| 09:04.08 | michelem | I mentioned a problem yesterday with debian not unmounting my filesystems at shutdown, when I use a unionfs root initialized in a custom initramfs |
| 09:05.24 | michelem | I dug more into this. At line 23 in /etc/rc0.d/K07umountfs , the sed command extracts all mountpoints up until the root, as PROTECTED. |
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| 09:05.54 | jsoft | michelem: 'protected' ? |
| 09:05.56 | simonlnu | totte: well yeh, but that depends on protocol, and protocol version ;) |
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| 09:06.33 | michelem | as in my case the root line is not a device (line does not start with /), that makes all of them |
| 09:07.53 | leefan | imean generally with music production on linux |
| 09:07.53 | michelem | jsoft: the script puts those entries in a PROTECTED_MOUNTS variable |
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| 09:08.17 | leefan | it tends to be a ton of packages working together |
| 09:08.42 | leefan | you're probably better off downloading a distro designed for the sake of music production |
| 09:08.44 | totte | jsoft: IIRC authentication for NFS and AFP are encrypted and you can have the data transfer encrypted through SSH (this would reduce the transfer speed I assume). Would encryption be the primary reason to use SFTP over NFS etc. then? |
| 09:08.56 | leefan | or getting a list of programs they use |
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| 09:09.08 | leefan | musix gnu was pretty hot a few years back |
| 09:09.32 | jsoft | totte: yes |
| 09:09.45 | jsoft | totte: sftp is also simpler to set up |
| 09:09.54 | totte | I mean, if SFTP already is encrypted it's not much use doing the extra work with AFP/NFS etc. |
| 09:10.04 | totte | Cool, right, thanks. |
| 09:10.09 | michelem | jsoft: PROTECTED_MOUNTS do not end up neither in WEAK_MTPTS nor in REG_MTPTS. So they are not unmounted. |
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| 09:10.18 | jsoft | If people are happy using sftp then keep using sftp |
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| 09:11.17 | michelem | basically I want second eyes to check if that extraction of PROTECTED_MOUNTS is bogus. |
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| 09:11.53 | michelem | from "# Short-Description: Turn off swap and unmount all local file systems." I expect it to do so, but in case the root filesystem is "rootfs", no filesystem is actually unmounted |
| 09:12.25 | michelem | in case the root is mounted from anything other than a device file. |
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| 09:19.14 | michelem | Ok. I replaced the PROTECTED_MOUNTS extraction to also match entries that do not start with /, like "nonefs", and unmounting works. |
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| 09:19.58 | krumeltee | i have trouble with turning on wlan on my thinkpad t61 with squeeze. the wlan led is off, the hardware switch is turned on. rfkill list says it's neither hard nor soft locked. in /sys/devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi i only have bluetooth_enable, no wlan/wireless_enable. does anyone know a solution/help for this problem? |
| 09:20.12 | krumeltee | kernel is 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 09:24.45 | michelem | what is the best mailing list to RFC about this /etc/rc0.d/K07umountfs problem? |
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| 09:31.36 | krumeltee | i got my wlan problem solved, i forgot to install firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 09:37.39 | ohai-- | !webmin |
| 09:37.39 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 09:40.12 | ohai-- | So because dondelelcaro hates webmin, it's shit... |
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| 09:41.07 | simonlnu | well it is. there's a lot of problems with it. |
| 09:41.48 | ohai-- | I won't be using Debian, because version 2.0 haves some bug in it |
| 09:42.02 | streuner | version 2.0? |
| 09:42.51 | mavhc | !free whcp |
| 09:42.51 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 09:43.07 | ohai-- | You can't manage the system with that |
| 09:43.11 | ohai-- | I don't want a webhosting control panel |
| 09:43.20 | ohai-- | I want easy click n go to create samba shares and stuff |
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| 09:44.40 | ohai-- | simonlnu: What you are saying about Webmin is; "I won't be using Debian, because version 3.1 haves some bug in it. Because of this I hate Debian" |
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| 09:45.02 | dxtr | ohai--: Well that makes snse ;) |
| 09:45.04 | dxtr | sense* |
| 09:45.24 | ohai-- | dxtr: what do you mean? |
| 09:46.06 | dxtr | ohai--: That it does not make sense. Sarcasm.. you know.. |
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| 09:46.38 | ohai-- | Why doesn't it makes sense ? |
| 09:46.58 | jelly-home | ohai--: webmin has had years of history of systematic bad design, so people, including the person in that factoid just gave up on it |
| 09:47.57 | jelly-home | ohai--: it's not "some bug", it's "let's look at what it OH GOD MY EYES IT BURNS" |
| 09:48.28 | ohai-- | jelly-home: those things are fixed |
| 09:48.48 | dxtr | ohai--: "I won't be using Debian, because version 3.1 haves some bug in it. Because of this I hate Debian" <- You don't realize yourself why that is just strange? |
| 09:49.02 | jelly-home | ohai--: that may well be, if they did a rewrite from scratch. |
| 09:49.16 | ohai-- | I don't know |
| 09:49.29 | ohai-- | But which panel do you recommend then? |
| 09:49.41 | jelly-home | "none, sorry" |
| 09:50.27 | ohai-- | Why not? |
| 09:50.39 | ohai-- | My parents don't like learning all commands to create a new samba share |
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| 09:51.21 | woshty | what exactly is the idea behind naming make-ssl-cert option "generate-default-snakeoil"? |
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| 09:51.45 | dxtr | woshty: You generate a default oil... made from snakes |
| 09:52.12 | dxtr | Or a default oil... made for snakes |
| 09:52.14 | dxtr | I'm not quite sure |
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| 09:52.38 | petern__ | bah, i guess i'll have to build snort from source :( |
| 09:53.00 | nb-ben | how can I check which gfx driver is currently being used? |
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| 09:53.25 | nb-ben | I suspect xorg is using VESA on me |
| 09:53.26 | dxtr | ohai--: Btw, why would you parents want to make a new samba sharE? |
| 09:53.39 | nb-ben | sharing is loving |
| 09:54.04 | simonlnu | ohai--: i said nothing of the sort, don't put words in my mouth. i don't need nor want a "control panel" |
| 09:54.06 | dxtr | ohai--: https://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/SWAT.html |
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| 09:54.23 | dxtr | Could that be something? |
| 09:55.19 | xingu | papering over a complex system with a simpler one sounds like a great way to increase entropy; I approve on those grounds alone. |
| 09:55.55 | xingu | I wonder how you can tap the screams of the thwarted into a prng? |
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| 09:57.52 | ohai-- | dxtr: can't find any english video's |
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| 09:58.47 | ohai-- | dxtr: nvm, found it |
| 09:58.49 | dxtr | ohai--: On your samba share? Can't help you with that |
| 09:58.53 | ohai-- | So you recommend Debian + SWAT ? |
| 09:59.09 | dxtr | I have no idea. I'ven ever use swat. I just found it on google |
| 09:59.16 | dxtr | err |
| 09:59.19 | dxtr | I've never used swat |
| 09:59.48 | jsoft | Ahhh yes, the ancient art of stuff |
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| 10:03.16 | ohai-- | Nah |
| 10:03.17 | xingu | ohai--: I assume you've already seen http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/NetCommand.html#id2602563 |
| 10:03.21 | ohai-- | I won't be using SWAT |
| 10:03.29 | ohai-- | I prefer OpenMediaVault over SWAT |
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| 10:15.35 | michelem | folks |
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| 10:16.21 | michelem | what URL for debian sources? |
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| 10:17.32 | michelem | alternatively: can someone running unstable show me the output of this? grep PROTECTED /etc/init.d/umountfs |
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| 10:28.49 | afuentes | how do i know what filesystem a partition have via cli? fdisk -l reports linux, but no what kind of ext is using |
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| 10:30.35 | jelly | afuentes: "mount" |
| 10:31.35 | jelly | afuentes: /dev/md0p7 on /home type ext3 (rw,barrier=1,usrquota,commit=0) |
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| 10:32.28 | colo-work | afuentes, use `file -s <device>` |
| 10:32.38 | afuentes | thanks :D |
| 10:32.41 | colo-work | # file -s /dev/sda1 |
| 10:32.42 | colo-work | /dev/sda1: Linux rev 1.0 ext4 filesystem data, UUID=291c6e35-dafa-4a86-90c4-58ff8b5cd8de (needs journal recovery) (extents) (large files) (huge files) |
| 10:32.59 | afuentes | file -s worked fine :D |
| 10:33.02 | jelly | the file command requires root access |
| 10:33.15 | afuentes | jelly, the problem with mount is that you need to have it mount it |
| 10:33.26 | jelly | true |
| 10:34.21 | colo-work | jelly, since he was complaining about fdisk, I figured he'd be able to read from the raw device anyway |
| 10:34.45 | colo-work | using mount will require certain fstab preconditions to be met, too |
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| 10:35.17 | afuentes | colo-work, good assumption :) |
| 10:35.18 | jelly | nah, it basically just reads mtab |
| 10:36.09 | colo-work | jelly, oh well, you meant _mounted_ filesystems. |
| 10:36.16 | jelly | yes |
| 10:36.20 | colo-work | yeah, then mount is probably better, but not necessarily truthful. |
| 10:36.29 | colo-work | you can mount an ext3 filesystem as ext2 and so on |
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| 10:42.57 | Iridos | well... the same goes for file... filesystem autodetection isn't always so reliable |
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| 10:44.37 | ali3n0 | hi folks. I've got an half configured package (postgres-8.4) and I'd like to fix that, but I must not restart the service. Any suggestion? |
| 10:44.49 | ali3n0 | actually postgresql-8.4 |
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| 10:59.47 | Iridos | I think you might have left out the bit there, that the postinstall of that package requires you to restart the service? |
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| 11:03.58 | burg | hello. i installed debian 6 on my asus x50gl notebook, and after i booted into it (after installation), all i could see was black desktop and mouse cursor. that happened also when i installed it on virtual machine. do you have any idea why is this happening? |
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| 11:08.24 | streuner | burg, its *nix :-) |
| 11:09.07 | streuner | burg, just log in as root and install some apps. too (X, GNOME, KDE or whatever) |
| 11:09.49 | burg | streuner, i was not seeing the console |
| 11:09.58 | burg | just black screen and mouse cursor (the arrow) |
| 11:10.17 | streuner | burg, hm, are you able to switch to a console? |
| 11:11.00 | burg | mm not shure, grub menu didn`t had entry for that |
| 11:11.18 | ksk | try ctrl alt F1 |
| 11:11.22 | burg | maybe is that happening because of video driver? which is missing? |
| 11:11.56 | streuner | burg, did you install a WindowManager or GNOME? |
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| 11:12.02 | burg | i remember when i installed ubuntu i had to enter the installer with nomodeset, otherwise it wouldn`t work |
| 11:12.19 | burg | streuner, yes, i selected it at the installer, when it asks to install additional software |
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| 11:15.21 | streuner | burg, did you check X.log? |
| 11:15.41 | burg | streuner, how can i? |
| 11:16.41 | streuner | burg, switch into a console, ksk told you how, and run "nano /var/log/Xorg.0.log" |
| 11:17.27 | streuner | burg, just doublecheck that GNOME and X is installed |
| 11:17.27 | burg | streuner, thank you, i`ll do that, i have to install it again first. i`ll come back here after that |
| 11:17.46 | burg | also, if not, i`ll install it from command line |
| 11:18.10 | streuner | burg, /msg dpkg install gnome ; /msg dpkg install x |
| 11:18.34 | burg | thank you |
| 11:19.41 | burg | streuner, one more question: i have never used debian before, only ubuntu (for last 2-3 years). how hard will be this transition for me? i know ubuntu is based on debian, but i just want to be shure |
| 11:20.18 | streuner | burg, if you able to read and learn it shouldnt be that hard ;-) |
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| 11:21.19 | streuner | burg, besides, you have to learn in every OS, every day new, IMO |
| 11:23.28 | streuner | burg, the difference between *bunt* and Debian are basic packages and policy (Debian), but Debian and *bunt* is Linux-based, so it should not that hard |
| 11:23.42 | streuner | be* |
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| 11:24.22 | ksk | should not be hard. afaik they use basicly the same tools to do thinks, maybe ubuntu has some new, fany ones^^ |
| 11:24.26 | ksk | s/fany/fancy |
| 11:24.36 | ksk | s/thinks/things |
| 11:24.36 | ksk | .. |
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| 11:25.08 | afidegnum | helllo, pls can someone show me a way to install a lightweight GUI system? |
| 11:25.33 | afidegnum | I have been taught yestrday but I forgot the name of the application used |
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| 11:25.41 | burg | aha, ok. thank you |
| 11:26.12 | burg | haha why do you call it *bunt* ? |
| 11:26.31 | kandros | afidegnum, openbox lxde xfec ? any of these |
| 11:26.46 | kandros | afidegnum, *xfce |
| 11:26.58 | afidegnum | something which will not consume lot of memory |
| 11:27.23 | ksk | burg: if you are talking about desktops, doing things vary with different desktops, cuz they have diffent tools, theres "ubuntu" "kubuntu" and so on.. |
| 11:27.36 | kandros | afidegnum, what are you sing now? gnome? |
| 11:27.51 | kandros | afidegnum, *using .. hate that keyboard |
| 11:27.52 | ksk | afidegnum: i life fluxbox |
| 11:28.01 | ksk | like |
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| 11:31.25 | dnai23 | fvwm |
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| 11:38.37 | molavy | what is this panic error : memory above 4gb ignored |
| 11:39.05 | molavy | ? |
| 11:39.33 | molavy | any idea? |
| 11:40.13 | molavy | there is no idea? |
| 11:40.25 | sephii | molavy: are you running a 32bit system with more than 4GB of RAM? |
| 11:40.58 | Iridos | but squeeze has pae kernels |
| 11:41.01 | Iridos | dpkg, any ideas |
| 11:41.02 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of herring, a little cod liver oil, and a handful of three-legged ostriches. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
| 11:41.13 | molavy | i download debian-kfreebsd , how can i solve this problem |
| 11:41.15 | molavy | ? |
| 11:41.43 | themill | wonders if there's any other useful information that molavy could offer |
| 11:42.13 | sephii | Iridos: well, it still depends on the CPU |
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| 11:42.37 | oliva | hi there ... what email notifier do you use for imaps mboxes? |
| 11:42.47 | babilen | molavy: Which? kfreebsd-amd64 or kfreebsd-i386? |
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| 11:42.55 | simonlnu | themill: like system type, debian release, kernel, that sort of thing? ;) |
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| 11:43.24 | simonlnu | !mindreaders |
| 11:43.30 | themill | yeah, that sort of thing |
| 11:43.45 | molavy | i386 |
| 11:43.56 | Iridos | oh, I thought bank account number, shoe size, weight... that sort of thing |
| 11:44.16 | themill | Iridos: as long as internet banking password is included, that's fine |
| 11:44.20 | Iridos | molavy, well, there you go... |
| 11:44.22 | babilen | molavy: And do you have more than 4GB RAM? |
| 11:44.50 | molavy | ya |
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| 11:45.26 | Iridos | themill, right... and I also got some fertile land to sell on the moon |
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| 11:46.22 | babilen | molavy: Well, you want amd64 in that case. |
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| 11:47.14 | molavy | cpu server is intel xeon |
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| 11:48.22 | themill | wonders if kfreebsd is really ready to go on servers |
| 11:48.51 | molavy | what is your offer |
| 11:48.53 | molavy | ? |
| 11:49.02 | themill | umm... linux? |
| 11:49.13 | molavy | any |
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| 11:50.20 | molavy | ? |
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| 11:51.04 | simonlnu | talk to us... w can't help if you don't communicate. |
| 11:51.07 | simonlnu | we |
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| 12:08.13 | michelem | with an initramfs, I end up with two "/" entries in /proc/mounts. How is this possible? |
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| 12:09.17 | jelly | michelem: this is actually normal, and a consequence of how initramfs transfers control to the "real" root |
| 12:10.08 | jelly | michelem: the rootfs entry is, let's say, fake |
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| 12:10.34 | michelem | this messes up /etc/init.d/umountfs then |
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| 12:11.23 | jelly | michelem: it should not -- this is normal with all Debian 6 kernels and init scripts should be able to deal with it |
| 12:11.35 | michelem | ok, this should be worked out better. |
| 12:11.37 | jelly | http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/ramfs-rootfs-initramfs.txt |
| 12:11.52 | michelem | jelly: take a look at that script, line PROTECTED_MOUNTS="$(sed -n '0,/^\/[^ ]* \/ /p' /proc/mounts)" |
| 12:12.31 | michelem | this prevents my aufs-based root system to unmount devices at shutdown, so at every boot they are fscked |
| 12:12.32 | jelly | michelem: can you point out your actual issue? |
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| 12:12.53 | jelly | right |
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| 12:13.10 | michelem | I was about to ask why the sed pattern demands to start with / . Now I understand why. Still, if you use aufs, that won't match |
| 12:14.11 | michelem | I want to better understand how lines end up in /proc/mounts, but probably the right command is "pick the LAST root line" |
| 12:14.29 | jelly | union filesystems have always been weird |
| 12:14.57 | michelem | currently, it is "pick the FIRST that starts with /". So "none / aufs rw,relatime,si=8c4de1c6,noxino 0 0" won't match, and all filesystems will end up as PROTECTED and not unmounted |
| 12:15.34 | michelem | jelly: let's not dump responsibilities, that's just a bug in umountfs :) |
| 12:16.16 | jelly | I bet initscripts package maintainers will welcome your patches! |
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| 12:17.59 | michelem | I wrote a post for debian-devel, but I now want to understand better this double-root issue |
| 12:19.00 | michelem | "This is a list of all the file systems currently mounted in the process's mount namespace." |
| 12:19.44 | michelem | what happens in /proc/mounts if a mountpoint is overridden with a new mount? |
| 12:21.09 | jelly | also, you might be better off asking in #debian-devel on irc.debian.org |
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| 12:24.21 | jelly | michelem: if by "overridden" you mean "mount a second one on top of first", then both are shown, in order of mounting |
| 12:24.23 | jelly | /dev/md0p9 /mnt ext3 rw,relatime,errors=continue,commit=5,barrier=1,data=ordered 0 0 |
| 12:24.23 | jelly | /dev/md0p8 /mnt ext3 rw,relatime,errors=continue,barrier=1,data=ordered 0 0 |
| 12:24.56 | michelem | very interesting jelly. What happens if you then unmount the latter? |
| 12:25.08 | jelly | the first one is visible again |
| 12:25.14 | michelem | so it's a stack. |
| 12:25.18 | jelly | correct |
| 12:25.29 | gnarface | hey guys if i was gonna build an armel kernel on an adm64 box, how would i do that? |
| 12:26.02 | michelem | gnarface: look for arm cross compilation, openmoko.org can help |
| 12:26.11 | jelly | you can't umount /dev/md0p9 while its root is used as mountpoint for md0p8 |
| 12:26.24 | gnarface | mostly i'm just concerned with shell variables that need to be set when you run make commands like ARCH=arm and such |
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| 12:27.09 | jelly | michelem: amusingly the umount /mnt command will try to umount all the fs with said mount point, in correct order |
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| 12:27.22 | gnarface | michelem: i've read the linux kernel supports native cross-compilation, is that true? does that mean it will build without a cross-compiler |
| 12:27.25 | gnarface | ? |
| 12:27.32 | jelly | michelem: er, sorry, no. |
| 12:27.44 | jelly | lies |
| 12:28.45 | michelem | gnarface: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain . Cross compilation is a hard thing, it takes experts hours to carry out, so good luck. |
| 12:28.59 | batouzo | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:29.13 | gnarface | michelem: i need linux-kernel specific make commands |
| 12:29.13 | michelem | jelly: I'd expect umount unmounts the topmost only |
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| 12:29.58 | jelly | yeah, it does that. |
| 12:30.06 | michelem | gnarface: there is no such thing. You need a full environment. I'm afraid it's beyond your capabilities. |
| 12:30.15 | gnarface | michelem: fuck you |
| 12:30.29 | gnarface | michelem: maybe its beyond *your* capabilities, that's why you won't tel lme |
| 12:30.43 | batouzo | jelly: I use my own kernel, tailored for my computer. u jelly/ |
| 12:30.45 | jelly | !ops Silvestr priv msg spam |
| 12:30.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly complains about: Silvestr priv msg spam |
| 12:31.15 | Silvestr | !ops Anaxa spam |
| 12:31.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: silvestr complains about: Anaxa spam |
| 12:31.17 | Silvestr | !ops Anaxa spam |
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| 12:32.26 | michelem | jelly: that complicates things quite a bit for how to determine PROTECTED_MOUNTS. I'll think about it after lunch |
| 12:33.02 | gunfire007 | commands of debain and ubuntu are exactly same ?? |
| 12:33.03 | jelly | michelem: if a user mounts multiple fs' in the same place, I'd say it's their own bloody fault |
| 12:33.21 | jelly | gunfire007: not necessarily all of them. |
| 12:33.57 | jelly | gunfire007: even if the command are the same, the recommended ways of doing a specific task can differ |
| 12:33.58 | gunfire007 | for commercial purpose which is the best distro ubuntu or debain ? |
| 12:34.06 | jibos | hi, I'm having problems installing debian 6, it doesn't recognise the hard disc... can anybody help me? |
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| 12:34.22 | jelly | gunfire007: whichever your sysadmins can support |
| 12:34.25 | gunfire007 | i am learning more about web server's i am confuse which one to select |
| 12:34.33 | gunfire007 | jelly: still i am a student |
| 12:34.39 | gunfire007 | just want to learn things.. |
| 12:34.58 | jelly | gunfire007: use debian, or ubuntu server LTS |
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| 12:35.06 | colo-work | jibos, maybe your harddisk controller needs firmware that's not included in the free portion of Debian? |
| 12:35.54 | pksadiq | Does debian uses linux-libre kernel? |
| 12:36.01 | gunfire007 | jelly: is that right that there is no major difference between ubuntu and debian ? |
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| 12:36.20 | jibos | colo-work:thank you, and do you know how can I solve it |
| 12:36.23 | fbh | gunfire007: If you like someone holding your hand and giving you lots of (annoying) information. E.g. suggesting what you might have meant when you type a command wrong. Go Ubuntu. Otherwise, go Debian. |
| 12:36.52 | colo-work | pksadiq, no, but it does not include nonfree firmware in the default installer image |
| 12:36.58 | jelly | gunfire007: there are many small differences. |
| 12:37.13 | jelly | gunfire007: personally I'd use Debian with a server. |
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| 12:37.20 | fbh | +1 |
| 12:37.27 | colo-work | jibos, try installing from these images: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (you'll get a backports-kernel with that, too) |
| 12:37.31 | gunfire007 | fbh:i have been searching net for a while was confused so asked... |
| 12:37.52 | fbh | leet time! (here at least) |
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| 12:38.05 | gunfire007 | jelly: ok :) |
| 12:38.09 | jibos | colo-work, thank you very much!!! |
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| 12:45.26 | gnarface | people, can anyone tell me when cross-compiling a arm (armel?) kernel on an amd64 machine if CROSS_COMPILE=... is required or if i can get away with just ARCH=arm (and why isn't it ARCH=armel?) google searches suggest both answers |
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| 12:52.00 | gnarface | i hate how michelem could have answered my question in less characters than it took him to tell me i'll never figure it out |
| 12:52.05 | gnarface | what a dick |
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| 12:55.15 | engla | gnarface: so you believe everyone here is an expert and just holds onto the answers? probably not |
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| 12:59.20 | TiMiDo | hello there i have a question i just reinstall debian on my h/d i just boot it with ubuntu cd because every time i reboot after install it says this error non-system disk or disk error |
| 12:59.31 | TiMiDo | and now i boot it up successfully with ubuntu the debian partition |
| 13:00.06 | jelly | engla: there's a difference between withholding an answer to teach the user the way to find it out on their own, and withholding without providing ANY clues |
| 13:00.37 | jelly | I suspect gnarface is ranting about the latter |
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| 13:01.22 | TiMiDo | is this a bug? |
| 13:01.32 | TiMiDo | #610892? |
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| 13:05.48 | colo-work | oh my god. |
| 13:06.00 | colo-work | I just logged in to a server my predecessor had set up "a while ago" |
| 13:06.14 | colo-work | figured I'd see if there were any upgrades it missed |
| 13:06.23 | colo-work | that's what I had to witness and endure: |
| 13:06.26 | colo-work | # apt-get update |
| 13:06.26 | colo-work | Hit http://archive.debian.org woody/main Package |
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| 13:08.36 | jelly | well, at least it's reconfigured to archive.d.o and not using "stable" |
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| 13:10.09 | michelem | jelly: I think what makes most sense in that umount is to unmount all filesystems up to the first non-rootfs |
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| 13:14.01 | raven_ | how to install routes to openbve? |
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| 13:26.03 | Raccoon1400 | last night my internet went down, when I got it back up, evolution would no longer accept my gmail password. It works with my other addresses, and I can still log in to gmail. Any ideas? |
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| 13:26.49 | abrotman | Raccoon1400: have you quit evolution completely? |
| 13:26.59 | Raccoon1400 | yes. I've even rebooted a couple times |
| 13:27.35 | Raccoon1400 | It was working fine till the internet went down, then I rebooted the router and modem and then it didnt work |
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| 13:32.13 | abrotman | Raccoon1400: are you sure the DNS is resolving correctly for that app ? |
| 13:32.40 | Raccoon1400 | I suspect it has loaded a bad config somewhere, no idea where. How can I clear it? |
| 13:33.08 | Raccoon1400 | it also receives three other addresses, none of them gmail. they all work |
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| 13:37.30 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 13:37.36 | lenswipe | can someone give me a hand with a boot error? |
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| 13:37.53 | lenswipe | i was watching something on BBC iPlayer on my computer when the video froze |
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| 13:38.12 | lenswipe | i restarted the machine and i just got "DISK BOOT FAILIURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER" |
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| 13:38.31 | colo-work | sounds bad. |
| 13:38.38 | colo-work | are you sure your HDD is OK, hardware-wise? |
| 13:38.45 | micky | sounds like an HDD failure to me |
| 13:38.46 | nikolaj_basher | lenswipe, try restart again |
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| 13:39.00 | lenswipe | nikolaj_basher: i did |
| 13:39.04 | lenswipe | nikolaj_basher: it just did the same |
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| 13:39.13 | abrotman | doesn't mean HDD failure .. means it can't read teh HDD, could be any component |
| 13:39.23 | lenswipe | great |
| 13:39.24 | abrotman | lenswipe: can you boot a liveCD |
| 13:39.29 | lenswipe | yeah i hve one here |
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| 13:39.35 | nikolaj_basher | lenswipe, the it Proberly as abrotman say |
| 13:39.41 | abrotman | give it a whirl |
| 13:39.44 | lenswipe | ok |
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| 13:39.57 | nikolaj_basher | lenswipe, the you can see if you can mount the hdd |
| 13:40.12 | abrotman | or if his entire IDE/SATA controller has gone missing |
| 13:40.23 | lenswipe | is there no end to the shit this week promises to dish out |
| 13:40.27 | lenswipe | so its reading the live CD |
| 13:40.33 | lenswipe | ...booting... |
| 13:40.34 | micky | make sure your Bios sees it and it's in the right place |
| 13:40.57 | lenswipe | im just booting into CentOS right now |
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| 13:41.23 | abrotman | lenswipe: also .. while the system is powered down .. reseat teh cables |
| 13:41.50 | lenswipe | k |
| 13:42.04 | lenswipe | well ill wait until ive booted into CentOS and see if i can mount the HDD |
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| 13:42.56 | lenswipe | abrotman: this is me just recovering from a stomach upset too |
| 13:43.03 | lenswipe | ...is there no end to the shit life can dish out |
| 13:43.15 | abrotman | lenswipe: you also probably want to continue in ##hardware .. doesn't seem like an OS issue |
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| 13:43.33 | lenswipe | abrotman: i was wondering if the boot sector was corrupted |
| 13:43.56 | lenswipe | yeah the live CD isnt seeing my HDD |
| 13:44.06 | lenswipe | ill try reseating the SATA cables |
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| 13:44.14 | abrotman | on both ends |
| 13:44.29 | abrotman | lenswipe: but if the SATA BIOS doesn't see the drives .. not a good sign |
| 13:44.39 | abrotman | or if the SATA BIOS isn't there ? |
| 13:44.56 | lenswipe | idk about the SATA BIOS |
| 13:45.03 | lenswipe | im just checking my cables |
| 13:46.26 | abrotman | well, off to ##hardware you go |
| 13:46.43 | lenswipe | mk |
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| 13:47.32 | scx | hello |
| 13:47.45 | scx | i want to share user's WWW directories using Samba: |
| 13:47.52 | scx | path = /home/%u/public_html |
| 13:47.58 | scx | what i should put in "valid user"? |
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| 13:59.00 | jhutchins_lt | scx: Install squid and use it to check the documentation. |
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| 14:02.25 | scx | jhutchins_lt: Next time dont speak if you dont know, ok? |
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| 14:03.30 | valdyn_ | scx: read the smb.conf manpage |
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| 14:05.28 | valdyn_ | scx: you probably dont need to modify that setting. I don't know what you want with it. |
| 14:05.55 | scx | valdyn_: i already read this |
| 14:06.15 | scx | i also checked http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/ch06.html |
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| 14:07.16 | valdyn_ | scx: excellent, but that doesnt tell me what you want to achieve with the "valid user" setting? |
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| 14:07.39 | scx | there are information about samba variables, sharing user's directories and "valid user" options, but no "valid users" options for share like /home/%u/foo |
| 14:07.39 | Cam | What is .profile for? Can I put aliases there? |
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| 14:07.58 | msr_ | Hello How do I write in Arabic in the Debian Open Interface Box |
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| 14:08.09 | valdyn_ | Cam: sure you can. Question is if it make sense |
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| 14:08.21 | valdyn_ | Cam: ~/.bashrc is better for alias |
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| 14:08.31 | Cam | valdyn_: but I can use .profile? |
| 14:08.38 | Cam | I am trying to exploit a server... it's for a friend |
| 14:08.40 | Marinu666 | scx, are you trying to share that users www if they are that user? |
| 14:08.49 | Cam | Well, it's his server, and he gave me an account and asked if I could try some things. |
| 14:08.56 | Marinu666 | or do you want them readable by everyone? etc |
| 14:08.57 | Cam | I knew about .bashrc but profile is great. |
| 14:09.02 | scx | valdyn_: i want to limit access to directory owners |
| 14:09.25 | Marinu666 | can u try this in the share definition: valid users = %S |
| 14:09.26 | msr_ | ?? |
| 14:09.30 | msr_ | Hello How do I write in Arabic in the Debian Open Interface Box |
| 14:09.30 | valdyn_ | scx: the share maps to directory owner. What point is a further limit= |
| 14:09.34 | valdyn_ | scx: the share maps to directory owner. What point is a further limit? |
| 14:09.42 | scx | for example: /home/user1/www for user1, /home/user2/www for user2, etc |
| 14:09.51 | valdyn_ | scx: thats silly |
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| 14:10.24 | msr_ | How do I write in Arabic in the Debian Interface openBox |
| 14:10.25 | valdyn_ | scx: when user1 logs in he gets served /home/user1/www, when someone else logs in he gets served something else |
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| 14:11.17 | valdyn_ | scx: so the restriction you want to impose is already imposed implicitely |
| 14:11.45 | nkuttler | msr_: usually you just set the locale, maybe install a font |
| 14:11.48 | nkuttler | !ar |
| 14:11.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina, or #debian-ar on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 14:11.55 | nkuttler | hrm.... |
| 14:12.06 | nkuttler | !arabic |
| 14:12.06 | dpkg | it has been said that arabic is Linux supports the Arabic language. See http://www.arabeyes.org/download/documents/howto/arabic-howto-en/ For help with debian in Arabic, ask in #debian-lb on irc.freenode.net (and be patient! it's a small community) |
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| 14:13.09 | Zvpun | what is the doc-package for g++? |
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| 14:13.35 | msr_ | keybord layut ?? |
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| 14:13.47 | msr_ | in openbox ? |
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| 14:14.14 | nkuttler | !tell msr_ about keymap |
| 14:14.28 | valdyn_ | Zvpun: gcc-doc probably |
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| 14:16.26 | Zvpun | valdyn_: I can't seem to find any package gcc-doc is not a package and gcc-4.6-doc doesn't exist either. |
| 14:16.26 | n0ha | good afternoon, I need somebody who'd help me with a nm-applet/vpn problem |
| 14:16.40 | valdyn_ | judd: versions gcc-doc |
| 14:16.42 | judd | Package: gcc-doc on i386 -- lenny/contrib: 5:2; sid/contrib: 5:3; squeeze/contrib: 5:3; wheezy/contrib: 5:3 |
| 14:16.51 | valdyn_ | Zvpun: its in contrib |
| 14:17.43 | n0ha | or as an alternative: someone who knows how to route everything through the pptp vpn connection |
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| 14:19.32 | themill | Zvpun: for some reason the most recent gcc documentation package is for gcc 4.4 |
| 14:19.39 | n0ha | nm-applet gives me :Failed to register as an agent: (32) No session found for uid 0 and I can hit the vpn connection button but nothing happens :/ |
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| 14:22.25 | msr_ | <nkuttler> thanx >> add alabic ?? |
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| 14:22.38 | Marinu666 | Does anybody know if there is maximum amount of time 'cat' can run for? or will it run for ever (assuming u have an unlimited stream?) |
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| 14:22.50 | Zvpun | Marinu666: forever |
| 14:23.26 | Marinu666 | ty zvpun, i am using sshguard in this manner "cat /var/log/sshguard.fifo | /usr/sbin/sshguard" and it decides to die (seemingly) randomly, so it must be sshguard terminating, not cat |
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| 14:23.55 | Zvpun | Marinu666: I dont know, seems likely |
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| 14:24.23 | msr_ | how add arabic ?? |
| 14:24.50 | abrotman | !arabic |
| 14:24.51 | dpkg | it has been said that arabic is Linux supports the Arabic language. See http://www.arabeyes.org/download/documents/howto/arabic-howto-en/ For help with debian in Arabic, ask in #debian-lb on irc.freenode.net (and be patient! it's a small community) |
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| 14:27.35 | scx | valdyn_: ok, thx |
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| 14:31.56 | woshty | when would i use fastcgi and when cgid? |
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| 14:39.49 | sephii | woshty: use fastcgi |
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| 14:46.13 | rly | My window management seems to be wrongly configured by accident. If I open an application it is not raised to the top immediately. Which setting is that (Gnome, Squeeze)? |
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| 14:46.59 | abrotman | what is your WM? (hint, not gnome) |
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| 14:47.31 | evilset | Hi |
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| 14:47.43 | rly | abrotman: metacity |
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| 14:48.38 | rly | abrotman: (so, basically everything is default, except something possibly having touched some option 'somewhere') |
| 14:48.39 | evilset | can someone tell me how can I make my debian using latest packages |
| 14:48.57 | sephii | evilset: what do you mean by latest packages? |
| 14:48.58 | rly | !experimental |
| 14:48.58 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 14:49.13 | rly | evilset: that's the latest, almost surely not what you want. |
| 14:50.37 | evilset | lets say I want to install latest version of phpBB (3.0.9) but from apt-get I only get 3.0.7 |
| 14:51.29 | idimmu | personally i wouldnt bother installing it via a package but thats just me |
| 14:51.39 | babilen | evilset: You would backport phpbb3 to squeeze by following "/msg dpkg ssb" |
| 14:51.40 | KaffeeJunky123 | same here |
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| 14:52.01 | evilset | phpBB is just an example |
| 14:52.03 | KaffeeJunky123 | but backports work too |
| 14:52.36 | babilen | evilset: What exactly are you trying to achieve? |
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| 14:53.01 | evilset | to get latest stable version of packages |
| 14:53.04 | Iridos | judd, versions phpBB |
| 14:53.04 | judd | No package named 'phpBB' was found in i386. |
| 14:53.18 | themill | evilset: the latest stable versions of the packages are all in debian stable. There's nothing more to do |
| 14:53.21 | Iridos | judd, versions phpbb3 |
| 14:53.22 | judd | Package: phpbb3 on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.2-4; squeeze: 3.0.7-PL1-4; sid: 3.0.9-1; wheezy: 3.0.9-1 |
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| 14:53.45 | evilset | sid has 3.0.9 |
| 14:53.55 | evilset | how can I update it to that |
| 14:54.02 | babilen | evilset: Which packages? What do you understand under the "latest stable version" ? (e.g. "last upstream release", "last version in Debian stable", "last version that has been packaged", ...) |
| 14:54.14 | primary | Why are there so many shell scripts all over, and how do I understand how this gluey ecosystem works together |
| 14:54.17 | themill | evilset: that's not part of the stable release. |
| 14:54.36 | evilset | themill: is part of unstable ? |
| 14:54.43 | babilen | evilset: I told you how you can update phpbb3 -- you weren't interested and said that phpbb3 was just an example. Hence my question what exactly you are trying to achieve. |
| 14:54.46 | themill | evilset: [14:53] <evilset> to get latest stable version of packages <== stable has 3.0.7. |
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| 14:55.09 | evilset | ok |
| 14:55.18 | evilset | I was just curious |
| 14:55.29 | evilset | because 3.0.7 phpbb has some issues with attachment |
| 14:55.50 | evilset | and I read tehre is a bug with this version |
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| 14:55.57 | babilen | evilset: Then backport phpbb3 from sid and be happy |
| 14:56.05 | Iridos | or unhappy |
| 14:56.11 | Iridos | as may turn out |
| 14:56.14 | valdyn_ | primary: which shell scripts are you talking about? |
| 14:56.15 | babilen | ;) |
| 14:56.28 | Marinu666 | evilset, for newer versions of things in the repositories; you can download and install the packages yourself. For phpBB if you download from the website, it comes setup with an install script and instructions, if you follow them you should be fine. |
| 14:57.08 | primary | valdyn_: all of them, there are too many. all the ones in all the directories in /var, in /boot, in /etc, /usr, etc |
| 14:57.15 | evilset | ok thank you |
| 14:57.25 | valdyn_ | primary: thats pretty unspecific |
| 14:57.37 | Iridos | primary, what do you want to do with them? |
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| 14:58.00 | KaffeeJunky123 | primary: why did you put shell scripts into /boot ? |
| 14:58.02 | primary | Iridos: I'd like to know what the important ones are first, and then work from there to understand why they're there and what they do. |
| 14:58.06 | evilset | is there a phpbb channel ? |
| 14:58.09 | themill | primary: irc deals best with specific questions not vague hypotheticals |
| 14:58.13 | Iridos | important for what? |
| 14:58.15 | evilset | I would like to ask them something |
| 14:58.15 | primary | KaffeeJunky123: Because I wanted to see if ext4 would boot properly |
| 14:58.22 | Marinu666 | evilset: would you like some help? |
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| 14:58.24 | valdyn_ | primary: shell is a programming language. Why do you care which programming language something is written in? |
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| 14:58.39 | primary | valdyn_: I don't care what it is in, I just dont get it. |
| 14:58.41 | primary | For example |
| 14:58.45 | primary | let me move something here |
| 14:58.57 | evilset | Marinu666: yes |
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| 15:00.51 | primary | actually, hell those were a bunch of headers, nevermind on that oen |
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| 15:01.33 | riex | Hello guys, which channel should i use for install SFTP? |
| 15:01.45 | themill | "channel"? |
| 15:01.58 | valdyn_ | riex: sftp is not a package |
| 15:02.11 | riex | ok what is sftp? |
| 15:02.14 | themill | riex: "aptitude install ssh" is enough. |
| 15:02.29 | riex | and then? |
| 15:02.29 | riex | ;) |
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| 15:02.47 | themill | 3) profit. |
| 15:02.53 | sephii | riex: sftp youruser@yourserver |
| 15:03.03 | primary | valdyn_: Okay, well nevermind. My filesystem is a mess and I thought this was a vanilla install. |
| 15:03.08 | riex | Fejl:Validering fail |
| 15:03.14 | riex | the sftp server isnt running |
| 15:03.25 | riex | I don't have to configure something first? |
| 15:03.26 | valdyn_ | riex: the name is "ssh server" |
| 15:03.29 | Yuri_Braz | Hello folks. How are you doing? Any of you even tried to install the otpw package in Debian Squeeze 6.0.3? I think the package in the stable repository had a bug. |
| 15:03.30 | sephii | riex: the "sftp server" is ssh |
| 15:03.53 | riex | I know |
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| 15:04.00 | riex | but, why i cannot connect to it? |
| 15:04.02 | Yuri_Braz | I've tried extensively, but I can not make it work. |
| 15:04.04 | riex | only SSH at putty. |
| 15:04.07 | riex | not with filezilla |
| 15:04.21 | themill | riex: what connection url did you give to filezilla? |
| 15:04.33 | riex | IP |
| 15:04.39 | themill | that's not a url |
| 15:04.45 | babilen | Yuri_Braz: We really need more details (possibly pasted to http://paste.debian.net ) in order to help you. Which problems exactly do you run into? (brb) |
| 15:04.46 | riex | I don't need any URL |
| 15:04.57 | riex | It's SFTP i need to use, not a real ftp, but secure FTP. |
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| 15:05.02 | riex | I use that like this, before. |
| 15:05.17 | themill | riex: filezilla defaults to ftp not sftp |
| 15:05.31 | boudiccas | !versions otpw |
| 15:05.34 | riex | themill |
| 15:05.39 | riex | you can also use sftp |
| 15:05.51 | valdyn_ | riex: youre confusing everyone with this misnomer "sftp" |
| 15:06.06 | Iridos | primary, you might want to install dlocate to check what everything belongs to; it does the same as dpkg -S. Mind, some scripts don't come from packages but are created by the postinstall scripts or similar |
| 15:06.09 | riex | how do i setup it up? |
| 15:06.20 | valdyn_ | riex: maybe you mean ftps or ftp over ssl |
| 15:06.34 | riex | I mean SFTP port: 22 |
| 15:06.36 | GordonFreeman | smartdelay 1s took: 1.000002235 seconds |
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| 15:06.45 | valdyn_ | riex: thats ssh then |
| 15:06.47 | GordonFreeman | good enough? it uses HRT on realtime preempted kernel |
| 15:06.56 | riex | before i used "apt-get install sftp-server" |
| 15:06.57 | Yuri_Braz | Ok, I'm working on this now then. |
| 15:07.00 | riex | but isnt working anymore |
| 15:07.10 | riex | http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/intrepid/man8/sftp-server.8.html |
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| 15:07.25 | valdyn_ | riex: no, its "openssh-server" |
| 15:07.47 | boudiccas | Yuri_Braz; its not packaged for debian so you have to install it from source |
| 15:07.51 | riex | it's already installed |
| 15:07.57 | riex | valdyn_: how do i configure it? or start it? |
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| 15:08.03 | valdyn_ | riex: its started by default |
| 15:08.09 | riex | why i cannot connect? |
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| 15:08.12 | valdyn_ | riex: "netstat -plunt | grep ssh", tell us the output |
| 15:08.22 | riex | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1303/sshd |
| 15:08.22 | riex | tcp6 0 0 :::22 :::* LISTEN 1303/sshd |
| 15:08.23 | riex | :p |
| 15:08.29 | valdyn_ | riex: there it is. |
| 15:08.39 | Yuri_Braz | No... "deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non free" have one package. |
| 15:08.39 | riex | But i cannot connect? only with PUTTY |
| 15:08.54 | valdyn_ | riex: youre giving the wrong url to filezilla |
| 15:08.55 | riex | I will connect with sftp over filezilla, but i cannot. |
| 15:09.00 | riex | which url do i have to use? |
| 15:09.21 | valdyn_ | riex: i have no idea, i think themill knows |
| 15:09.42 | riex | themill: Which url do i have to use, for being using it agains filezilla? |
| 15:10.03 | riex | nevermind |
| 15:10.05 | boudiccas | !versions otpw |
| 15:10.06 | riex | it's works now |
| 15:10.08 | riex | =) |
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| 15:10.19 | Yuri_Braz | !versions otpw |
| 15:11.04 | Iridos | you've seen that command doesn't work with dpkg... could we skip all 1100 other persons trying it, please? |
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| 15:11.23 | Iridos | judd, versions otpw |
| 15:11.25 | judd | No package named 'otpw' was found in i386. |
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| 15:11.36 | Iridos | judd, versions otpw-bin |
| 15:11.36 | judd | Package: otpw-bin on i386 -- lenny: 1.3-2; sid: 1.3-2; squeeze: 1.3-2; wheezy: 1.3-2 |
| 15:11.54 | trench | judd, versions postgrey |
| 15:11.56 | judd | Package: postgrey on i386 -- lenny-volatile: 1.31-3.1; lenny: 1.31-3.2; squeeze: 1.32-6.1; squeeze-backports: 1.33-3~bpo60+1; sid: 1.34-1; wheezy: 1.34-1 |
| 15:12.29 | babilen | Yuri_Braz: We can not help you if you don't provide more information. What exactly is your problem? Could you show us an example of that problem on http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 15:12.53 | Yuri_Braz | babilen: I'm doind that |
| 15:12.58 | Yuri_Braz | a moment please |
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| 15:16.10 | sephii | sJ7EXchi |
| 15:16.59 | deb-test-user | hello, is there a debian-testing specific channel or may i ask here? |
| 15:17.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | deb-test-user: don't ask to ask |
| 15:17.35 | jelly | sephii: I feel a change of someone's password is coming. |
| 15:18.18 | jelly | !tell deb-test-user about debian-next |
| 15:18.41 | jelly | oops |
| 15:18.49 | jelly | deb-test-user: #debian-next on irc.debian.org |
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| 15:20.43 | sephii | jelly: that's an epic fail |
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| 15:21.32 | deb-test-user | well i remembered the existence of debian-next, but its invite only |
| 15:22.16 | jelly | deb-test-user: different irc server! |
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| 15:23.04 | jelly | that invite-only thing is rather confusing |
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| 15:27.12 | twobitsprite | kernel 3.1 is horrible broken on my thinkpad :( |
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| 15:28.46 | twobitsprite | 3.0 works fine |
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| 15:34.50 | txq | How do I install a older version of a program then is found in the repos? |
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| 15:35.26 | bindi | packagename=version |
| 15:35.58 | nkuttler | txq: forward port it |
| 15:35.59 | txq | bindi is that an apt cmd? If so could you give an example |
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| 15:37.00 | bindi | sudo apt-get install bluez=4.96-0ubuntu3+kitlaan1~oneiric |
| 15:37.39 | bindi | apt-cache show package to show all the versions |
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| 15:40.19 | txq | bindi Need to use version 494 of unetbootin since the newer ones don't recognize the fs of OpenBSD. The older once has "show all disks" thx for the advice. |
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| 15:41.31 | bindi | :> |
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| 15:43.47 | nkuttler | txq: um, so you're using testing/sid? |
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| 15:45.32 | txq | nkuttler yes I have my system set up with Debian testing repos, lightdm, xfce-4.8, Emerald and compiz for compositing. |
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| 15:51.49 | txq | nkuttler yes I am using Linux 3.1.0-1-amd64 with the testing repositories. |
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| 15:52.30 | msr_ | partitions not found ?? |
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| 15:52.39 | txq | nkuttler Debian GNU/Linux flavor. |
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| 15:52.44 | abrotman | rly: i meant , which WM are you using |
| 15:52.52 | abrotman | txq: what is 'flavor' ? |
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| 15:54.16 | txq | abrotman Good question. Linux is Linux but ppl tend to toss words around like that as if they are talking about flowers. Lets say from the Debian repos then =) |
| 15:54.34 | abrotman | txq: either you're using Debian or not .. which is it? |
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| 15:57.04 | txq | abrotman I define Debian Linux and its repositories being maintained by Debian. |
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| 15:58.23 | msr_ | <msr_> partitions not found ?? |
| 15:58.30 | txq | abrotman I could be wrong though? |
| 15:58.38 | msr_ | http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/218/screenshot152011eet0121.png |
| 15:58.59 | iman | when I run every command in terminal, i get this error, what is it ? http://dpaste.com/673727/ |
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| 16:01.33 | jirka_on_d | hello all, can somebody help me with this issue please, i've uninstalled graphics drivers (fglrx) and now the terminal blacks out during boot (using grub2), i've tried to set the console resolution using linux16 and initrd16 commands with vga=729 parameter added, and i also tried to hardcode the resolution into /etc/grub.d/00_header file, but without success |
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| 16:03.39 | sephii | iman: it means your LANG env var is set to a locale that's not installed on your system |
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| 16:03.59 | sephii | iman: you can either change this var, or install the locale on the server (dpkg-reconfigure locales) |
| 16:04.24 | iman | sephii, thanks |
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| 16:05.29 | nvz | anyone know how I can change/remove the default application nautilus opens movies with? it had somehow got set to gxine and I want it to be movie player again |
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| 16:07.06 | Iridos | iman, actually... I think it's just misnamed... I use the same, it's en_US.UTF-8 |
| 16:07.19 | Iridos | instead of en_US.utf8 |
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| 16:08.27 | iorivur | nvz I know that I know that....but Forgot the command plz wait for a min |
| 16:09.06 | nvz | iorivur: I'm not going anywhere ;) just getting annoyed cause I removed gxine and have to take extra steps to open videos |
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| 16:14.01 | sephii | I tried different methods but it seems like there's no way to have inotify run on a large set of directories without changing the default proc limits. Is there another way to watch a directory for modifications? |
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| 16:16.37 | engla | isn't fanotify the successor of inotify |
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| 16:17.57 | engla | sephii: tracker project uses inotify and make sure to increase the relevant sysctl limit |
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| 16:18.45 | xiax | hi |
| 16:18.48 | EricRaymond | hi there |
| 16:18.55 | sephii | engla: and what about these desktop-search apps like nepomuk or beagle? I think they're using inotify too right? Do they change the sysctl limit? |
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| 16:19.17 | engla | tracker is a desktop search app, I don't know about those others |
| 16:21.03 | iorivur | nvz I seems to have forgotten completely sorry. |
| 16:21.09 | alex- | Do you recommend OpenMediaVault or Webmin ? |
| 16:21.22 | xiax | no |
| 16:21.31 | alex- | Which one? |
| 16:21.38 | xiax | unmanaged |
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| 16:21.45 | alex- | Nah |
| 16:21.51 | alex- | It's for a NAS for my friend |
| 16:21.55 | nvz | iorivur: thats alirght.. I expecte it to be in gconf somewhere, doesn't seem to be |
| 16:21.57 | iorivur | nvz but I think I must be done by X, you're using nautilus |
| 16:22.09 | iorivur | Oh... |
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| 16:22.59 | nvz | iorivur: its obvously in my homedir somewhere so I will just have to grep for it |
| 16:23.08 | iorivur | nvz: there must be a mapper match and call, and many X aplication usingit |
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| 16:23.42 | iorivur | nvz: yes, that's right. |
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| 16:24.32 | nvz | iorivur: I doubt this has anything to do with X at all.. its a context menu in nautilus, X need not know anything about it |
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| 16:26.14 | Trewas | nvz: right click the file / open with other application ? |
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| 16:26.52 | nvz | Trewas: well all the other movie players are in the context menu already I just want the default "gxine" not to be in there as its not even installed |
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| 16:29.23 | iman | I can't looking for any references for install sqlite in http://wiki.debian.org |
| 16:30.20 | nkuttler | iman: umm.. aptitude install sqlite? |
| 16:30.22 | cthuluh | aptitude install sqlite3 |
| 16:30.39 | iman | so easy, :D |
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| 16:30.52 | nkuttler | yeah, go with 3 |
| 16:30.55 | cthuluh | you better get used to it |
| 16:31.00 | nkuttler | surprised 2 is still around even in testing |
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| 16:31.36 | iman | I used synaptic to install software, how can i search in software with apt-get ? |
| 16:31.48 | sephii | iman: apt-cache search |
| 16:31.50 | nkuttler | iman: apt-cache search, /msg dpkg search |
| 16:32.18 | cthuluh | just start with aptitude |
| 16:32.30 | stevieman | I'm running Debian 6 and I just ran top and noticed that Apache2 is eating just about 450 megs of memory. Does this sound normal to anyone? I've never seen a foot print like that before |
| 16:32.31 | nkuttler | hm.. sqlite3 was released in 2004 and installing sqlite defaults to 2? |
| 16:33.24 | iman | nkuttler, is it client-server based ? |
| 16:33.24 | cthuluh | stevieman: httpd is a hog ; do you have some mod_* activated? (php, perl, etc) |
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| 16:33.31 | cthuluh | iman: no |
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| 16:33.47 | jelly | nkuttler: and "apache" doesn't even EXIST, you have to install "apache2"! |
| 16:34.07 | epsilon | apache1 isnt in debian anymore? |
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| 16:34.23 | nkuttler | epsilon: long gone |
| 16:34.31 | epsilon | oh |
| 16:34.36 | stevieman | cthuluh: It's a new server and I haven't activated any mod(s) yet. |
| 16:34.37 | nkuttler | like php4 |
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| 16:35.33 | cthuluh | apache 1.3 is getting rare these days ; afaik only openbsd comes with a (heavily patched) apache 1.3 |
| 16:35.35 | epsilon | geez... just few versions ago people laughed at debian, cause no php5 was available... |
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| 16:36.00 | jelly | cthuluh: so someone is presumably still maintaining that code? |
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| 16:36.16 | iman | cthuluh, I have a poor vps, then I need a lightweight database, as application connect to it as well I could connect to it from another client to monitor entries data, I ran h2, but it got approximately 300mb of memory stage, it's terrible for my vps, you think what the best solution for me to solve this ? thanks |
| 16:36.21 | stevieman | ctuluh: actually I've got fewer mods enabled on this server than my other 3 |
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| 16:36.41 | sephii | stevieman: how many connections do you have? |
| 16:37.19 | sephii | stevieman: did you modify any of the StartServers, MinSpare* directives? |
| 16:37.36 | cthuluh | jelly: yup |
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| 16:37.53 | cthuluh | iman: nfi about what h2 is |
| 16:37.58 | stevieman | sephii: no connections, there are no active sites on the server yet |
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| 16:38.27 | alex- | Where can I download Debian? When I open this page I see 8 dvd's, which one do I have to get?; http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 16:38.34 | iman | cthuluh, java based db |
| 16:38.36 | stevieman | sephii: no I haven't modified anything yet, litterly it is a new server, all I've done is setup a firewall so far. |
| 16:38.36 | cthuluh | stevieman: just switch to lighttpd ;) |
| 16:38.43 | cthuluh | iman: c'mon... java |
| 16:38.50 | cthuluh | iman: try postgresql |
| 16:38.54 | stevieman | cthuluh: :) |
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| 16:39.11 | stevieman | My swap space isn't being used according to top |
| 16:39.11 | sephii | stevieman: how did you check the memory usage of the apache process? |
| 16:39.22 | stevieman | sephii: using top |
| 16:39.27 | iman | cthuluh, i tried it, but I couldn't install it in debian |
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| 16:40.00 | cthuluh | iman: you managed to install some java based dbms I've never heard of, but can't install postgres? how odd |
| 16:40.03 | abrotman | seriously? |
| 16:40.06 | flamingspinach | How do I stop a service from running at boot? |
| 16:40.15 | abrotman | flamingspinach: update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 16:40.25 | flamingspinach | thanks :) |
| 16:40.28 | sephii | stevieman: and you're talking about virt size or res size? |
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| 16:40.50 | iman | cthuluh, you can hear more about it here http://www.h2database.com/html/main.html |
| 16:40.59 | nag | abrotman: irc hooks? xD |
| 16:41.30 | ioriveur__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:43.01 | stevieman | sephii: well I did a top with apache running and the mem: free is 28060K. with apache stopped the mem: free is 476912K. Virt shows 2 apache entries of 221M each and 2 others around 5300 |
| 16:44.12 | sephii | stevieman: the amount of "free" memory in top doesn't take into account the buffers/cache iirc |
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| 16:44.45 | alex- | Where can I Download debian? |
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| 16:45.02 | cthuluh | alex-: get a web browser |
| 16:45.11 | alex- | cthuluh: i already have it |
| 16:45.18 | comradekingu | debian.org |
| 16:45.18 | cthuluh | alex-: launch it |
| 16:45.23 | alex- | I downloaded debian-6.0.3-amd64-DVD-8.iso |
| 16:45.27 | alex- | But this seems to be the wrong one |
| 16:45.29 | alex- | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 16:45.36 | alex- | So I wonder where I can download it then |
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| 16:45.42 | zined | hey guys. does anyone have a .plan if GSSAPI delegation will ever come back to debian's curl packages? :) |
| 16:45.48 | cthuluh | alex-: do you have an intel or amd based 64 bits cpu? |
| 16:45.52 | alex- | virtualbox |
| 16:45.59 | alex- | my host system is amd |
| 16:46.11 | abrotman | nag: ? |
| 16:46.11 | cthuluh | I don't know anything about virtualbox |
| 16:46.17 | alex- | amd then |
| 16:46.19 | alex- | i think |
| 16:46.20 | babilen | alex-: Do you have a working and wired network connection during the installation? And what were you thinking when you downloaded DVD *8* ? |
| 16:46.25 | levk | alex-: download the minimal install that is like 180 megs |
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| 16:46.31 | abrotman | alex-: please use the netinst for amd64 |
| 16:46.32 | alex- | babilen: that's the latest version |
| 16:46.35 | alex- | levk: where can I find it |
| 16:46.44 | alex- | abrotman: it requires another server |
| 16:46.46 | cthuluh | babilen: HA! I didn't notice the '8' part :)) |
| 16:46.46 | abrotman | !netinst |
| 16:46.47 | dpkg | netinst is, like, a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 16:46.50 | abrotman | alex-: it does not |
| 16:46.51 | stevieman | sephii: possible. All I know is apache's foot print on this server is huge |
| 16:47.02 | abrotman | not to get a base system |
| 16:47.06 | cthuluh | stevieman: the 'virt' column doesn't matter at all |
| 16:47.13 | levk | alex-: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 16:47.59 | alex- | downloaded, lets see if it works |
| 16:48.05 | babilen | alex-: You really want the netinstall ... But I still wonder why you downloaded debian-6.0.3-amd64-DVD-8.iso and not debian-6.0.3-amd64-DVD-1.iso :) |
| 16:48.11 | stevieman | cthuluh: ok, but the Memory usage at the top shows 400Megs of memoery being used by Apache when I start the deamon and being freed up when I stop apache |
| 16:48.14 | cthuluh | stevieman: the 'virt' column is the amount of memory the process requested, not the amount of memory it actually uses and thus not the amount of memory the system allocated to it |
| 16:48.16 | alex- | because that's the old one babilen |
| 16:48.28 | alex- | babilen: i thought it was the old one * |
| 16:48.38 | stevieman | cthuluh: also Swap appears with all zeros |
| 16:48.46 | levk | That's full repository on 8 DVDs, like 40Gigs |
| 16:48.50 | alex- | ah |
| 16:48.55 | alex- | thanks for the link to netinstall |
| 16:48.58 | babilen | alex-: I mean DVD-1 would have worked, but you really want the netinstall anyway -- Ah, ok. The DVDs contain *all* packages in Debian main and you downloaded the 8th DVD from a set of eight |
| 16:49.11 | alex- | ah |
| 16:49.16 | cthuluh | stevieman: start apache; type ''free -m''; look at the +/- buffers/cache line |
| 16:49.21 | abrotman | still kind of wishes there were contrib/no-free images |
| 16:49.50 | cthuluh | stevieman: on the vps I'm on, my irc client uses more memory than any apache process |
| 16:49.52 | alex- | Central = europe, right? |
| 16:50.01 | stevieman | cthuluh: apache stopped 460, apache running 22 |
| 16:50.07 | levk | alex-: Central? |
| 16:50.11 | alex- | yes |
| 16:50.14 | alex- | timezone or something |
| 16:50.21 | levk | alex-: I don't know what you mean |
| 16:50.24 | cthuluh | stevieman: pastebin, please |
| 16:50.27 | alex- | nvm, i skipped it :P |
| 16:50.38 | alex- | Is it possible to install the server at my friends place when I'm at home? |
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| 16:50.48 | dwfreed | abrotman: meh, I just install from business card, then grab the packages I want after rebooting |
| 16:50.55 | levk | alex-: depends |
| 16:50.58 | smv | hello. I have a debian server running some xen machines. i'm trying to configure a domU to share the IP with another one, because i can't get moreIP's on that server. any sugestions? |
| 16:51.00 | alex- | (Install the server without having physical access to it) |
| 16:51.01 | alex- | P4 system |
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| 16:51.06 | stevieman | cthuluh: sure, just a few moments |
| 16:51.17 | babilen | !tell alex- -about ssh install |
| 16:51.53 | babilen | alex-: But you really need *some* access to the server. We haven't quite figured out how to install Debian on random internet connected hosts yet. ;) |
| 16:52.06 | alex- | I have access to the serve |
| 16:52.07 | alex- | r |
| 16:52.08 | dwfreed | smv: 2 VMs can't be using the same IP at the same time |
| 16:52.14 | alex- | but I want to install it when i'm at home |
| 16:52.20 | alex- | because my friend isn't good in installing |
| 16:52.37 | levk | alex-: do you have access to physically put in a CD and press the power button? |
| 16:52.42 | alex- | yes |
| 16:52.48 | babilen | alex-: Why don't you install it together with your friend? She/He might learn something :) |
| 16:52.50 | alex- | but he doesn't knows what he haves to fill in |
| 16:52.52 | smv | dwfreed, I've been told that it's doable with some kind of port redirecting |
| 16:52.55 | alex- | no, he hates linux |
| 16:53.03 | l0n | smv, you might find a NAT setup does the trick, see: http://wiki.kartbuilding.net/index.php/Xen_Networking#Routed_Networking_with_NAT_2 |
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| 16:53.23 | alex- | levk: yes, he can put a cd in the system and press the power button |
| 16:53.27 | alex- | babilen: he hates linux |
| 16:53.28 | babilen | alex-: Well, see dpkg's message. |
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| 16:53.41 | alex- | Ye i saw |
| 16:53.42 | stevieman | cthuluh: http://pastebin.com/SEJNrpg3 |
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| 16:54.32 | levk | alex-: installation is very simple, the only input it asks for is root password and the single user name/password during the installation. The rest you can just press enter |
| 16:54.43 | alex- | it takes some time |
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| 16:54.59 | cthuluh | stevieman: either your vps is pretty dumb or you're lying, sorry |
| 16:55.20 | stevieman | cthuluh: why would I lie? |
| 16:55.24 | cthuluh | stevieman: there should always be a difference between the first and second lines |
| 16:55.36 | cthuluh | stevieman: I said there were two options ;) |
| 16:55.43 | alex- | Is there any way I can do a portcheck to see which ports are allready being used at my friends place? |
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| 16:55.47 | levk | alex-: you need remote kvm or serial access to start the installation, I'm afraid you'll have to go over there |
| 16:56.02 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there every one ... i have made some repartitioning recently and after it the main data partition(ntfs) disappeared ... when i open gparted it says "partition table not exist " ... output for fdisk -l -> http://pastebin.com/0Mum9E62 |
| 16:56.16 | cthuluh | stevieman: so probably a "problem" with the way your vps reports memory usage |
| 16:56.58 | stevieman | cthuluh: Well I'll certainly get them to look into it. The fact that Swap: is 0 concerns me aswell |
| 16:57.06 | levk | alex-: remote kvm is an enterprise feature, chances are that system doesn't have anything like that; serial access is a pain to set up, it's much easier to go over there and install |
| 16:57.16 | alex- | ok, thanks |
| 16:57.40 | levk | alex-: after the install it's easy to set up remote management via ssh as long as you can forward ports on the firewall |
| 16:57.48 | alex- | yes |
| 16:57.53 | alex- | that won't be a big problem |
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| 16:57.56 | cthuluh | stevieman: I find it normal ; what's the type of your host? vserver, openvz, whatever? |
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| 16:58.28 | babilen | levk: You can install via SSH -- http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03#network-console |
| 16:58.35 | abrotman | dwfreed: you cant' do that with the bizcard |
| 16:58.42 | stevieman | cthuluh: OpenVZ |
| 16:58.53 | dwfreed | abrotman: can't do what? |
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| 16:59.10 | abrotman | dwfreed: the netinst does not require a network connection, the bizcard does (at least to get a working minimal system) |
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| 16:59.54 | levk | babilen: that is much harder than pressing enter during installation. if he had IPMI it would've been fairly easy |
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| 17:00.42 | dwfreed | abrotman: oh, you meant without a network connection; heh, I've only done a few installs without a net connection (these days, a net connection is too prevalent for me not to have one) |
| 17:00.58 | stevieman | cthuluh: well what tipped me off was the server was inclredibly slow, I always thought it was my connection but we just got a new faster connection and it was still slow. I shut apache down to make some changes and performance improved, turned apache back on and it lagged again (in putty) so I started looking around |
| 17:01.10 | cthuluh | stevieman: ah, now I think I remember that issue. anyway, I wouldn't call it a real problem. and I already told you to switch to lighty ;) |
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| 17:01.35 | cthuluh | stevieman: your provider is probably overcommitting memory then |
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| 17:02.29 | babilen | levk: How so? And you typically don't just want to press enter on new installations. (that, at least, holds true for most installations I've done in the last years) |
| 17:02.37 | abrotman | dwfreed: not everyone has that 'luxury' |
| 17:02.48 | stevieman | cthuluh: could be, but my other server there doesn't have the same problem for memory usage with apache running but it's running Cent and not Debian. |
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| 17:03.47 | samba35 | how to check installed packages history |
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| 17:04.01 | cthuluh | logs |
| 17:05.07 | samba35 | cthuluh, is that replay for me ? |
| 17:05.12 | babilen | samba35: /var/log/dpkg.log* /var/log/aptitude ... |
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| 17:05.25 | samba35 | ok |
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| 17:05.58 | levk | babilen: during install you choose language and timezone, those don't require explanation. Then you choose root password and user credentials those are easy too. Then you choose mirror and it's better to choose something good here, but you'll be fine with default. Then you choose partitioning scheme, this is where I spend most of my time during installations, but it'll certainly work with default single root partition and it really takes y |
| 17:05.59 | levk | ears for somebody to fully understand the choices here. It doesn't ask anything after that |
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| 17:06.46 | cthuluh | levk: the installer provides a much nicer / and /home split automatic setup |
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| 17:07.10 | cthuluh | and I don't think it's *that* complicated |
| 17:07.28 | babilen | levk: We obviously perform quite different installations -- But my questions was rather about the network console. It is my impression as if that is *exactly* what alex- wants. |
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| 17:08.04 | impiza | is there any site to build debian based distro ? |
| 17:08.15 | levk | It was my impression that he wanted the other person to not do anything |
| 17:08.24 | impiza | help me please |
| 17:08.49 | impiza | is there any site to build debian based distro ? |
| 17:08.56 | cobra-the-joker | anyone knows anything about the partition table problem ? |
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| 17:09.27 | impiza | like susestudio |
| 17:09.50 | impiza | ? |
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| 17:10.48 | alex- | How can I make sudo work? |
| 17:10.59 | cthuluh | visudo as root |
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| 17:11.27 | impiza | if any one know please pm me or join my channel ##IMPIZA |
| 17:11.27 | impiza | bye |
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| 17:11.59 | cthuluh | cobra-the-joker: so, you got backups, right? |
| 17:12.13 | cobra-the-joker | cthuluh, no :( |
| 17:12.14 | nag | abrotman: the unbannee's client rejoined instantly; I made light of it. |
| 17:12.17 | babilen | !tell alex- -about sudoers |
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| 17:12.40 | babilen | alex-: Install sudo, "adduser YOURUSER sudo", relogin, PROFIT |
| 17:12.41 | cthuluh | cobra-the-joker: so, get a livecd with testdisk/photorec installed, and try to save what you can |
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| 17:13.01 | cobra-the-joker | cthuluh, which livecd ? |
| 17:13.38 | abrotman | nag: yeah, no idea |
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| 17:14.20 | cthuluh | cobra-the-joker: launch your web browser and search for testdisk livecd |
| 17:14.57 | cobra-the-joker | cthuluh, ok |
| 17:15.22 | primary | Why is there an audio quality difference between OSS(alsacompat also), ALSA(osscompat too), JackD? |
| 17:15.26 | primary | for example http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=52919 |
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| 17:15.33 | babilen | cobra-the-joker: I take it that you *don't* have a backup of your MBR/partition table? If so you can try to recover it with testdisk. You might like Debian Live's Rescue CD or GRML or tesdisks live cd or ... |
| 17:15.34 | cthuluh | cobra-the-joker: that said, I have happily used http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page several times |
| 17:16.47 | cthuluh | babilen: the three last times I tried to download the debian live rescue image, it was corrupted. got quite angry 8) |
| 17:17.03 | cthuluh | (probably a rsync that had failed on the mirror side) |
| 17:17.07 | babilen | cthuluh: We should tar and feather SynrG ;) |
| 17:17.47 | cobra-the-joker | babilen, i am on debian now .... the system s booting ... just the data in the other partition .... trying gpart now |
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| 17:18.35 | gimpy941 | I installed Debian Squeeze (LXDE) on KVM which is hosted by Debian Squeeze. When I clicked on lxterm it moved off the screen by itself and now the GUI is only somewhat responsive and Xorg (as well as lxpanel, xscreensaver, etc.) is using lots of CPU time. What could cause this? See http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=26382ag&s=5 |
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| 17:18.38 | babilen | cobra-the-joker: Yeah, gpart should work as well. |
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| 17:23.22 | Cain | I've set my timezone to utc the system give me the utc time but /var/log/syslog seems to write logs on utc+1 (the timezone when the box was installed) how to tell syslog to use the right timezone ? |
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| 17:25.34 | gimpy941 | Cain: How did you set the timezone to UTC? Did you HUP rsyslogd? |
| 17:25.51 | Cain | gimpy941 : dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 17:25.56 | Cain | hup ? |
| 17:26.21 | paz | I seriously do not know wang about NTFS. Need to mount a NTFS pen drive to pull some files off if it but no joy. How do I go about this? |
| 17:26.40 | gimpy941 | Cain: service rsyslogd reload, see if that does it. |
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| 17:26.52 | nodiscc | paz: do you have ntfs-3g installed ? |
| 17:27.02 | paz | nodiscc yes |
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| 17:27.48 | Cain | gimpy941 : nope :( |
| 17:27.50 | nodiscc | paz, do you run something that automounts volumes, like udisks (if you run a desktop environment it is likely you have it) ? |
| 17:28.05 | gimpy941 | Cain: Hmm, I don't know then. |
| 17:28.09 | nodiscc | paz, in other words, are your other pen drives automounted? |
| 17:28.34 | Cain | gimpy941 : thx anyway :) |
| 17:29.15 | nodiscc | paz: if not, did you edit /etc/fstab to have your usb stick mounted ? |
| 17:29.23 | paz | nodiscc I really don't know. Boss just dropped this crappy little pen drive in my hand. gparted has no problems telling me that this is NTFS and though. |
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| 17:30.06 | paz | nodiscc yeah did not really want to mess with my fstab but had a gut feeling it might be needed. |
| 17:30.14 | nodiscc | paz, ok, open a terminal and run 'tail -f /var/log/dmesg' please |
| 17:30.38 | nodiscc | then, plug your usb stick, and see what appears in dmesg |
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| 17:31.47 | nodiscc | paz: there should be something like "attached removeable scsi disk" |
| 17:31.52 | paz | nothing changed even though I am tailing the dmsg file |
| 17:32.09 | paz | dmesg |
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| 17:32.54 | nodiscc | paz: sorry, it may be /var/log/messages ... |
| 17:33.08 | paz | nodiscc and I can see the icon (xfce) of the drive. Just cant mount it. Ill look in messages |
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| 17:34.12 | nodiscc | paz: what is the last line in there? For me it's [387516.678925] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk (i just plugged in a NTFS formatte stick) |
| 17:35.00 | paz | nodiscc in dmesg or messages? |
| 17:35.13 | nodiscc | /var/log/messages |
| 17:35.57 | paz | nodiscc once sec I have the log files on a 2ed dick |
| 17:36.02 | paz | disk lol |
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| 17:38.17 | paz | nodiscc this -> Dec 15 18:31:37 zion kernel: [ 8677.510194] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk |
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| 17:39.43 | paz | nodiscc is this what I should be seeing? |
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| 17:40.04 | nodiscc | paz: try this: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb1 /mnt/ |
| 17:40.17 | nodiscc | paz (assuming you do not have anything already mounted on /mnt) |
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| 17:40.52 | paz | nodiscc I have an iso mounted but I can change the mount point. |
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| 17:41.25 | nodiscc | paz, set another mountpoint, yes |
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| 17:42.18 | paz | nodiscc thx =) |
| 17:42.32 | paz | nodicc works just fine now. |
| 17:42.35 | gunfire007 | i have downloaded netinstall iso. i have installed it and now i am in terminal, now what should i type in order to get GUI interface ? |
| 17:42.45 | gunfire007 | i want gnome DE |
| 17:42.45 | nodiscc | paz: you're welcome :) though it is strange you could not mount it from the file manager... |
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| 17:43.11 | nodiscc | paz: don't forget to umonut it before you unplug the stick |
| 17:43.14 | paz | nodiscc using xfce. Might be a bit buggy. |
| 17:43.15 | nodiscc | *umount |
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| 17:43.30 | nodiscc | paz: debian squeeze? |
| 17:43.45 | paz | nodiscc yeah its squeeze |
| 17:44.02 | paz | nodiscc so I deserver the pain =P |
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| 17:45.00 | paz | nodiscc what am I saying. I mean its wheezy. |
| 17:45.02 | gunfire007 | anyone pls tell me.. |
| 17:45.03 | gunfire007 | :( |
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| 17:46.31 | nodiscc | paz: i did no try thunar for a while. Maybe I will soon, but yeah I remember xfce had problems, specially with automounting volumes |
| 17:47.07 | gunfire007 | nodiscc: i have thunar and auto mounting works fine.. |
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| 17:47.49 | alex- | Why does it takes a few seconds to install FreeNAS and 10 minutes to install Debian? |
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| 17:48.07 | paz | nodiscc Its a lot better then it use to be. Better then Gnome 3 but worse then Gnome 2.32. Little crap things like this still exits from time to time. |
| 17:48.09 | daemonkeeper | Because FreeNAS is superior and better and all. |
| 17:48.17 | daemonkeeper | Now go troll elsewhere. |
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| 17:49.33 | Ricoshady | im running squeeze and I see a package in sid I Want to run. I found instructions for building a package from the source, but when Im trying to download the package, it says its not found. |
| 17:49.41 | Ricoshady | apt-get build-dep capistrano |
| 17:50.07 | somiaj | Ricoshady: have you added a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list? |
| 17:50.22 | daemonkeeper | You need to fetch build dependencies recursively you don't have in Squeeze |
| 17:50.35 | themill | they are all in squeeze |
| 17:50.52 | Ricoshady | somiaj, i did uncomment the deb-src lines |
| 17:50.55 | daemonkeeper | tell Ricoshady about ssb |
| 17:50.57 | daemonkeeper | !tell Ricoshady about ssb |
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| 17:52.03 | Ricoshady | daemonkeeper, i already checked backports |
| 17:52.09 | Ricoshady | and run those other commands |
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| 17:52.31 | Ricoshady | this "apt-get build-dep capistrano" |
| 17:52.32 | daemonkeeper | Probably your sources.list is incomplete. |
| 17:52.40 | Ricoshady | returns E: Unable to find a source package for capistrano |
| 17:52.48 | daemonkeeper | Well, that's another story. |
| 17:52.57 | themill | Ricoshady: you don't have a deb-src line for sid in your sources.list |
| 17:53.11 | themill | !show sources.list Ricoshady |
| 17:53.12 | dpkg | Ricoshady: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
| 17:53.36 | Ricoshady | http://pastebin.com/3Vp2xMd8 |
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| 17:53.50 | daemonkeeper | themill was right. As usual. :) |
| 17:54.08 | themill | Ricoshady: that's step 1 of what dpkg told you |
| 17:54.23 | Ricoshady | sorry, I did that before your comment |
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| 17:55.32 | tash | if I have a 60GB drive and want the first 40 to be the main partition and then 20 be swap ... during install, should i choose manual partitioning? |
| 17:55.42 | Ricoshady | i dont even have a sources.list.d |
| 17:55.58 | babilen | tash: Yes, but why would you want/need 20GB of swap? |
| 17:56.36 | themill | Ricoshady: you don't need to but you could have additional .list files in there if you wanted. |
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| 17:56.52 | tash | babilen: client requirement :P |
| 17:57.04 | daemonkeeper | Xour client is a jerk :> |
| 17:57.14 | babilen | tash: You should reconfigure your clients ;) -- The answer is yes though :) |
| 17:57.50 | tash | so, I choose Manual then I have the option to create a new empty partition, assume Yes :) |
| 17:58.11 | babilen | hmm, yes?! |
| 17:58.30 | Ricoshady | so where do I get the proper line to add? |
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| 17:59.17 | Ricoshady | oh Im sorry, I do have sources.list.d, its just empty |
| 17:59.29 | Ricoshady | so what do I need to add there? |
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| 17:59.40 | lduros | anybody knows how to set caps lock as CTRL in gnome 3.0.2? (not gnome shell) |
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| 18:00.03 | babilen | Ricoshady: "deb-src http://ftp.ie.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib" (or s/unstable/sid/) |
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| 18:00.24 | themill | either |
| 18:00.25 | babilen | lduros: keyboard configuration comes to mind |
| 18:00.43 | Ricoshady | is unstable=sid? |
| 18:00.49 | babilen | yes |
| 18:00.49 | Ricoshady | http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/capistrano |
| 18:00.50 | lduros | babilen: I went in there, didn't see it |
| 18:00.53 | Ricoshady | here is says sid (unstable) |
| 18:01.56 | themill | Ricoshady: you might want to reconsider whether you really want this package -- it has release critical bugs and no maintainer... |
| 18:02.06 | babilen | also rc-buggy==sid :) |
| 18:02.22 | themill | (experimental, actually) |
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| 18:02.38 | Ricoshady | themill, OK, fair enough, so then if I need capistrano, best to install from source? |
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| 18:02.57 | babilen | lduros: No? You need new glasses: gnome-control-center → Keyboard → Layout Settings → Layouts → Options |
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| 18:03.15 | lduros | babilen: where do you see gnome-control-center? |
| 18:03.21 | lduros | from cli? |
| 18:03.45 | daemonkeeper | Oh my gosh, it takes a maintainer about 5 minutes to fix that RC bug |
| 18:03.54 | babilen | lduros: It's the general settings thing. The actual program is "gnome-control-center" which you can run on the command line. |
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| 18:04.17 | lduros | babilen: ok so control center, I got to it fine. Now in "Keyboard" I have one tab "general", another tab "Shortcuts". That's it |
| 18:04.25 | themill | daemonkeeper: yes. It looks like a drive-by maintainer. 1 upload then orphaned. |
| 18:04.35 | lduros | babilen: no layout settings |
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| 18:05.17 | lduros | babilen: found it, had to type "Keyboard" in teh search, then click on Region and Language |
| 18:05.33 | lduros | babilen: then click on my keyboard 'USA', then options, then Keyboard Layout Options |
| 18:05.44 | daemonkeeper | themill: Unfortunately it does not make any sense to fix it then. It would end up as burden to the QA team, since no one seems interested to take over it. |
| 18:05.56 | lduros | babilen: I didn't see "Layout Settings" as you mentioned. what version of gnome 3 do you have? |
| 18:06.06 | themill | daemonkeeper: indeed. RoQA, RC-buggy, orphaned, low popcon, no rdeps. |
| 18:06.18 | babilen | lduros: 3.2 (had hoped it is the same) |
| 18:06.19 | daemonkeeper | Do you want to file it, or shall I? |
| 18:06.26 | themill | daemonkeeper: all yours |
| 18:06.27 | Ricoshady | themill, do you recommend just installing from the source? |
| 18:06.31 | daemonkeeper | Will do then. |
| 18:06.43 | lduros | babilen: yeh not the same apparently :-P So glasses weren't the problem. |
| 18:07.01 | babilen | Ricoshady: I would recommend to use puppet in lieu of capistrano |
| 18:07.23 | Ricoshady | in this case, I need to use capistrano |
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| 18:07.40 | babilen | Ricoshady: Get it from upstream then :) |
| 18:07.48 | Ricoshady | what is upstream? |
| 18:08.12 | babilen | Ricoshady: The actual developers of the software (i.e. http://www.capify.org/) |
| 18:08.31 | Ricoshady | will do, thanks for your help |
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| 18:08.58 | babilen | Ricoshady: I know that I am nosy, but why do you *have* to use capistrano? |
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| 18:09.33 | themill | daemonkeeper: it's other human maintainer hasn't been active for 16 months either. |
| 18:09.53 | Ricoshady | well, this is for setting up a dev env of an application from a client... and the entire process is already setup. so I supose I could probably alter their setup, but, not sure that is in the cards. |
| 18:10.35 | babilen | Ricoshady: I see, have fun! Make sure you install it to /usr/local -- I typically use stow for that. (/msg dpkg stow ; /msg dpkg stow usage) |
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| 18:11.37 | gunfire007 | i have installed the net iso how can i start the GUI ? want to install gnome DE |
| 18:11.46 | gunfire007 | what's the command for that ? |
| 18:11.47 | Ricoshady | thanks for your help babilen |
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| 18:14.43 | gunfire007 | pls some one tell me :( |
| 18:14.57 | babilen | !tell gunfire007 -about install gnome |
| 18:15.40 | gunfire007 | ya want to install gnome DE |
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| 18:16.09 | gunfire007 | thanks babilen :) |
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| 18:19.42 | daemonkeeper | Ricoshady, themill: For the record: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=652251 |
| 18:20.32 | Ricoshady | how sad |
| 18:20.51 | themill | Ricoshady: well... if you really want it, would you consider maintaining it? |
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| 18:21.02 | Ricoshady | dont want it that bad : ) |
| 18:21.13 | Ricoshady | ive never even used it |
| 18:21.18 | Ricoshady | capistrano before |
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| 18:27.02 | jardiamj | Hi, I upgraded my laptop to Wheezy last night and after rebooting I can't boot to GUI |
| 18:27.49 | levk | jardiamj: well what does it say? |
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| 18:29.11 | jardiamj | It just gives me a black screen with a non-blinking cursor on the corner |
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| 18:29.38 | jardiamj | and Alt+Ctrl+Fn doesn't work |
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| 18:29.58 | jardiamj | I can boot to recovery mode though.. |
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| 18:30.28 | jardiamj | but on GUI mode, it just seems to be frozen... |
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| 18:34.32 | JordiGH | Is there an easy way to get gcc 4.6 on squeeze? |
| 18:34.44 | themill | JordiGH: in a chroot |
| 18:34.54 | JordiGH | :-/ |
| 18:34.59 | JordiGH | You call that easy? |
| 18:35.24 | themill | it's easier than the alternatives... |
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| 18:39.22 | jardiamj | because of my little issue I tried to join #debian-next channel but it says that it's invite-only... |
| 18:39.31 | jsoft | Lies |
| 18:40.08 | JordiGH | themill: Okay, I've never really figured out how to do a proper chroot. Where do I start learning? |
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| 18:40.23 | themill | JordiGH: debootstrap |
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| 18:41.41 | JordiGH | What's the usual place to put it? /var/debootstrap/sid, say? |
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| 18:48.33 | JordiGH | opts for /var/chroot/sid |
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| 18:50.21 | babilen | jardiamj: #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net not here on freenode |
| 18:51.07 | jardiamj | I see, stupid me.. didn't read that part... sorry |
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| 19:04.19 | `md | why are there no xen linux-image packages in sid right now? |
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| 19:10.18 | jmspeex | Hi, I've got a Lenovo W520 laptop that's stuck at 800 kHz after I suspended it. Any idea not to fix this? |
| 19:10.31 | jmspeex | (it's a 2.3 kHz Quad-code i7) |
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| 19:15.20 | nimbius | hi debian, building a glorious package and having a problem |
| 19:15.22 | nimbius | dpkg-genchanges: failure: cannot read files list file: No such file or directory |
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| 19:17.50 | JordiGH | Is that the earliest problem? Perhaps write permission problems earlier? |
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| 19:21.36 | abrotman | jmspeex: try a CPU throttling app |
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| 19:22.19 | jmspeex | abrotman: like? |
| 19:22.32 | abrotman | !search |
| 19:22.33 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <axi-search> <debtags>. |
| 19:22.49 | nimbius | checking |
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| 19:23.39 | jmspeex | abrotman: I did. Apparently "apt-cache search throttling" is not the right thing |
| 19:23.41 | nimbius | theres a warning about an unknown homepage field, but otherwise nothing major |
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| 19:24.38 | jmspeex | abrotman: I also tried "2300000 > cpufreq/scaling_max_freq" and it didn't help |
| 19:26.00 | jmspeex | http://jmvalin.ca/misc_stuff/cpufreq-info |
| 19:26.05 | alex- | is https more secure? |
| 19:26.28 | hoverbear | alex-: That's what the "s" stands for |
| 19:26.43 | alex- | but firefox says it isn't secure |
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| 19:27.18 | jmspeex | Also, "cpufreq-set -u 2.3GHz" didn't work |
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| 19:27.53 | lstarnes | alex-: does it say anything in addition to that? |
| 19:28.09 | hoverbear | alex-: It means there are unsecure elements on the page or the cert isn't perfectly valid most likely. Click on the https and it should show you what's wrong. |
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| 19:28.22 | alex- | any reason to get a cert? |
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| 19:28.33 | lstarnes | alex-: making sure that the site isn't an impersonation |
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| 19:28.53 | alex- | how? |
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| 19:29.05 | hoverbear | By using a cert |
| 19:29.11 | mjt | jmspeex: that's all in /sys/devices/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq anyway - many files in there are writable and that's what cpufreq-utils does |
| 19:29.12 | alex- | How can I use it |
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| 19:29.41 | alex- | Firefox says that my website is using AES-256 |
| 19:29.41 | lstarnes | alex-: an SSL certificate usually contains the signature of a Certificate Authority (CA), which by signing the certificate certified that it believes that the certificate is owned by who it claims to be owned by |
| 19:29.56 | lstarnes | AES-256 is one of the ciphers supported in SSL |
| 19:29.56 | alex- | Hmm, so I have to pay for it? |
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| 19:30.04 | alex- | for the certificate |
| 19:30.08 | lstarnes | usually |
| 19:30.15 | alex- | why can't i get it for free? |
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| 19:30.20 | jmspeex | mjt: I don't have that |
| 19:30.25 | lstarnes | because CAs like making people pay |
| 19:30.30 | jmspeex | ls /sys/devices/cpu/ |
| 19:30.31 | jmspeex | power subsystem typeuevent |
| 19:30.39 | lstarnes | plus it costs money for them to verify the information |
| 19:30.40 | alex- | any way to be a CA myself? |
| 19:30.56 | lstarnes | you can |
| 19:31.04 | alex- | I don't want to click trough that anyoing alert every time I want to do something on my server |
| 19:31.10 | mjt | jmspeex: /sys/devices/system/cpu |
| 19:31.31 | lstarnes | but browsers won't accept it if you don't get your CA's certificates signed by an appropriate intermediate CA |
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| 19:31.40 | lstarnes | alex-: or you can have firefox permanently accept that |
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| 19:32.07 | alex- | lstarnes: only on this pc |
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| 19:33.20 | abrotman | jmspeex: try 'throttle' |
| 19:33.43 | bbtech | I have a debian box where tar seems corrupted (Illegal instruction). How can I install tar? |
| 19:34.22 | rozie | bbtech: apt-get install --reinstall tar |
| 19:34.24 | jelly-home | bbtech: which debian release and architecture? |
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| 19:34.41 | rozie | or just extract and copy binary |
| 19:34.52 | rozie | but I belive HDD/RAM is broken |
| 19:35.05 | jelly-home | bbtech: what does dpkg -l libc6 tar | tail -2 say? And "dpkg --print-architecture"? |
| 19:35.27 | alex- | How can I remove the configuration files for some application? |
| 19:35.27 | jmspeex | abrotman: apt-cache search throttle didn't show anything either |
| 19:35.37 | bbtech | jelly-home: dbpkg: command not found |
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| 19:35.52 | jelly-home | bbtech: can you spot the error |
| 19:36.00 | lstarnes | bbtech: dpkg |
| 19:36.02 | bbtech | lol, oops |
| 19:36.05 | robokop | how can i get pam to log passwd changes? |
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| 19:36.21 | bbtech | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 19:36.22 | bbtech | ii tar 1.16-2etch1 GNU tar |
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| 19:36.49 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys .... whats the best data storage partition ( 60 GB partition ) ? |
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| 19:37.02 | jelly-home | bbtech: ok. use a pastebin to show us the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 19:37.14 | lstarnes | cobra-the-joker: what do you mean by that? |
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| 19:37.47 | jmspeex | mjt: I tried writing to /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq |
| 19:37.50 | jmspeex | no luck |
| 19:37.59 | cobra-the-joker | lstarnes, like ext4 is the best as a system partition .. is theres something like that for data storage .. just storing data no system booting |
| 19:38.07 | jelly-home | bbtech: sorry, that "dpkg --print-architecture" will still be useful, too |
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| 19:38.24 | lstarnes | cobra-the-joker: I think you mean filesystem, not partition |
| 19:38.29 | bbtech | http://pastebin.com/uQF2WSs4 |
| 19:38.30 | jelly-home | cobra-the-joker: if you have to ask, use ext3. |
| 19:38.49 | lstarnes | cobra-the-joker: ext4 is good if you don't need to share with windows |
| 19:39.01 | bbtech | jelly-home: i38g |
| 19:39.03 | bbtech | jelly-home: i386 |
| 19:39.05 | LordVorp | and if you DO, what's a good alternative? |
| 19:39.12 | cobra-the-joker | hmmm ok |
| 19:39.22 | alex- | How can I find the config file of a program?d |
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| 19:39.50 | lstarnes | alex-: dpkg -L packagename | grep etc |
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| 19:40.14 | alex- | thanks |
| 19:40.25 | jelly-home | alex-: the man pages usually have a FILES section near the bottom |
| 19:40.28 | lstarnes | alex-: this only works if it only keeps config in /etc |
| 19:40.36 | alex- | yes it is in /etc |
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| 19:40.38 | lstarnes | the man pages are also a good source |
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| 19:41.04 | bbtech | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/uQF2WSs4 |
| 19:41.33 | bbtech | I commented out the non-us.debian.org one yesterday as it was giving some errors |
| 19:42.07 | jelly-home | bbtech: comment it ALL out. you're using a very old Debian release. Add the ones from /msg dpkg etch sources.list |
| 19:42.20 | bbtech | oh, ok |
| 19:43.00 | bbtech | and then what? |
| 19:43.43 | bbtech | oh, sorry missed the last part of your message |
| 19:44.27 | jelly-home | bbtech: that's just to prevent a horrible mix of etch (debian 4) and current "stable" (debian 6) |
| 19:44.44 | jelly-home | (they do not mix well) |
| 19:45.19 | bbtech | ok |
| 19:45.21 | jelly-home | bbtech: do you have a second linux system, and a way to upload files to this one? |
| 19:45.23 | keith4 | libdbd-oracle-perl depends on a non-existent Oracle instant client package? |
| 19:45.36 | bbtech | yes, but it's running centOS |
| 19:45.45 | keith4 | is there some trick to installing that? |
| 19:45.54 | jelly-home | keith4: download the latter package from Oracle themselves. |
| 19:46.06 | keith4 | jelly-home: ah, that'd be the trick i had in mind. thanks |
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| 19:46.42 | bbtech | jelly-home: I tried building tar from source but it complained about no compiler |
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| 19:46.48 | keith4 | jelly-home: is there only the RPM (that I can convert via alien)? or is there a deb and i'm missing it? |
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| 19:47.37 | jelly-home | bbtech: that's fine. download the same version of tar_*_i386.deb from http://archive.debian.org/, then you'll have to unpack it manually using ar and tar and copy the binary to your debian system |
| 19:48.04 | jelly-home | bbtech: http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/t/tar/tar_1.16-2etch1_i386.deb |
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| 19:49.00 | jelly-home | !tell bbtech about deb |
| 19:49.02 | w3gi | hallo, I have a big problem... i have an vps-server and after updating that server no email-forwarding works more... |
| 19:49.38 | TiMiDo | hi can someone help me i just install debian testing right now and i just reboot it the system and it give me this error non-system disk with ubuntu i can boot up grub I'm just confused with this error can someone help me out |
| 19:49.50 | w3gi | and SpamAssasin seems to make some problems: http://pastie.org/3022581 |
| 19:49.56 | jelly-home | bbtech: so ar x tar...deb, then tar xzf data.tar.gz, then you'll have the correct tar binary to transfer |
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| 19:51.00 | keith4 | TiMiDo: some punctuation would make that a lot easier to parse... |
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| 19:51.17 | jelly-home | bbtech: it might be educational to save a copy of the corrupted binary for investigation of causes |
| 19:51.19 | TiMiDo | keith4, huh? |
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| 19:51.36 | bbtech | jelly: I used 7zip to extract the files from the tar.deb. I then uploaded the "tar" file |
| 19:51.50 | bbtech | ran that tar file and I get : Illegal instruction |
| 19:52.03 | jelly-home | bbtech: how did you run it, ./tar ? |
| 19:52.13 | bbtech | yes, chmod 755 tar, ./tar |
| 19:52.30 | keith4 | what does 'file tar' say? |
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| 19:52.40 | jelly-home | bbtech: does dmesg output show anything suspicious? |
| 19:52.41 | bbtech | tar: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, stripped |
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| 19:52.52 | w3gi | someone any idea what can demage the mail forwarding to another email adress after the updete? |
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| 19:53.13 | jelly-home | bbtech: ok so it won't be the tar binary itself that's corrupted, but a library it uses. |
| 19:53.17 | keith4 | w3gi: what MTA? |
| 19:53.19 | mrstocks | hey, i get my connection via a dhcp, can i manual change the nameserver? |
| 19:53.24 | bbtech | jelly-home: darn |
| 19:53.33 | jelly-home | bbtech: if it's libc, things might get tricky |
| 19:53.35 | w3gi | i think sendmait |
| 19:53.35 | keith4 | mrstocks: you can override in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf |
| 19:53.43 | w3gi | ... sorry sendmail |
| 19:53.51 | bbtech | jelly-home: sounds like this box just needs to be rebuilt |
| 19:53.55 | mrstocks | keith4, great i will try to do that. |
| 19:54.14 | jelly-home | bbtech: that is definitely an option, after ruling out hardware failure |
| 19:54.56 | keith4 | w3gi: what do you think this pastebin has to do with your problem? |
| 19:55.10 | w3gi | keith4, the problem is i dont know much about the box it's an standard vps-server with confixx admin-tool, |
| 19:55.22 | w3gi | i just see the error with spamassasin |
| 19:55.36 | bbtech | jelly-home: ok, thanks for the help! didn't see anything suspicious in dmesg - so, I think a rebuild will be the easiest |
| 19:56.10 | keith4 | w3gi: what happens when you restart spamassassin? |
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| 19:59.18 | w3gi | the same error (/etc/init.d/spamassassin restart .... Restarting SpamAssassin Mail Filter Daemon: perl: warning: Setting locale failed. ...) |
| 19:59.42 | TiMiDo | hi can someone help me i just install debian testing right now and i just reboot it the system and it give me this error non-system disk with ubuntu i can boot up grub I'm just confused with this error can someone help me out |
| 19:59.47 | TiMiDo | please some help |
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| 19:59.59 | TiMiDo | i'm on my system i used ubuntu to boot up grub |
| 20:00.20 | mrstocks | is Shockwave Flash the flash player (for tube site?) |
| 20:00.28 | w3gi | keith4, i dont need spamass... i can deactivate that too... |
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| 20:01.20 | LimeBlast | I'm setting up my debian box with some apache virtual hosts - but i'm totally new to linux, and so i'm not sure where the virtual hosts should be (i've heard some people say /home/www, others say /srv/www, and yet others saying /var/www) - what do you recomend? |
| 20:02.44 | Hydroxide | LimeBlast: those are all up to administrator preference. that kind of thing is within the purpose of /srv, but there's no one most common location |
| 20:02.50 | Hydroxide | some sites even have other custom hierarchies |
| 20:03.06 | delimax | LimeBlast: i believe it's totally arbitrary. issues might come up if some program expects it to be in a standard place but i can't think of any off the top of my head ( any they could always be reconfigured ) |
| 20:03.22 | Hydroxide | /var/www is by default where debian's web servers put their default home page, and where some debian web-related packages put stuff meant to be served directly |
| 20:03.25 | jelly-home | bbtech: ok. Going thru fixing the machine from livecd, then two release upgrades to get to current debian would be a whole day's work |
| 20:03.29 | keith4 | w3gi: the locales error has nothing to do with spamassassin, but you can probably fix that by running 'pkg-reconfigure locales' |
| 20:03.29 | w3gi | in wich log files i can search fo that error? |
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| 20:04.10 | Hydroxide | delimax: indeed, nothing in debian or any other package source should require more than a bit of config file editing to change the location |
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| 20:04.32 | w3gi | # pkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:04.32 | w3gi | -bash: pkg-reconfigure: command not found |
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| 20:05.50 | keith4 | w3gi: dpkg-reconfigure, sorry |
| 20:06.20 | mrstocks | keith4 could you help me with my name-server the file is way over my head |
| 20:07.01 | keith4 | mrstocks: there's manpage for it |
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| 20:07.22 | mrstocks | Still keith4 there is nothing about have your own nameservers |
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| 20:07.44 | LimeBlast | Hydroxide delimax from a best praice point of view, what would you suggest? /srv/example.com - /srv/example.org - etc..sounds like it might work for me |
| 20:07.46 | keith4 | mrstocks: supersede |
| 20:08.05 | mrstocks | whats that? |
| 20:08.20 | keith4 | look for that word in the manpage |
| 20:08.27 | mrstocks | oh |
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| 20:08.49 | w3gi | keith4, ok that is now done... but much more importent is that i dont get any mails... |
| 20:09.02 | keith4 | mrstocks: you want something like 'supersede domain-name-server blah blah' |
| 20:09.10 | keith4 | i forget what the exact syntax is |
| 20:09.22 | mrstocks | Yes! Your a star |
| 20:09.23 | w3gi | in wich log file could be some info where can be the error |
| 20:09.29 | Hydroxide | LimeBlast: that's certainly fine. there may be other reasons to do differently, such as if /srv is on a small partition, or for consistency with legacy systems, etc. you may also consider adding another layer either between /srv and example.{com,org} or below /srv/example.{com,org} in case there are multiple services per domain |
| 20:09.35 | Hydroxide | like /www/ |
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| 20:10.03 | keith4 | w3gi: mail.log |
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| 20:11.07 | keith4 | w3gi: but if you don't even know which MTA you're using, and all of your admin work is done through some panel software, you have basically zero chance of figuring this out |
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| 20:11.54 | DammitJim | what do I need to do to have connmand start automatically upon startup? |
| 20:12.18 | LimeBlast | Hydroxide the plan was to do something like this /srv/example.com/htdocs & /srv/example.com/logs (and maybe a cgi-bin, although i doubt it) so i can keep each one self contained |
| 20:12.22 | w3gi | Dec 15 20:46:03 postfix/error[28001]: BC77C82681B1: to=<office@xxx.com>, relay=none, delay=334, delays=334/0.01/0/0.01, dsn=4.3.0, status=deferred (mail transport unavailable) |
| 20:12.22 | w3gi | Dec 15 20:46:03 postfix/error[28004]: 1D18B82681A7: to=<office@yyyy.com>, relay=none, delay=8890, delays=8890/0.01/0/0.01, dsn=4.3.0, status=deferred (mail transport unavailable) |
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| 20:12.45 | keith4 | w3gi: use a pastebin |
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| 20:13.30 | keith4 | LimeBlast: he's saying that if you ever want to put anything else in /srv, it would be nice to have /srv/web (or www) so that "anything else" isn't mixed in with your vhost dirs |
| 20:13.33 | w3gi | keith4, i just past you 2 there are 50-100 more errors like that |
| 20:13.41 | Hydroxide | LimeBlast: yup. and if the only service the machine is serving is web, that makes sense. if you might do per-domain ftp or per-domain something else, that's worth factoring in to your layout. anyway, sounds like you won't be making a bad choice, just think it through first |
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| 20:13.58 | Hydroxide | these things are always vastly harder to change after-the-fact |
| 20:14.02 | Hydroxide | on any system, not just debian |
| 20:14.24 | keith4 | w3gi: go ask for help in #postfix |
| 20:14.31 | LimeBlast | keith4 ok, that is probably a good idea - I can't see myself using this for anything other than apache hosting, but you never know |
| 20:14.31 | w3gi | ok thanks |
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| 20:15.09 | LimeBlast | Hydroxide keith4 delimax - thank you for your help :) |
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| 20:15.34 | Hydroxide | LimeBlast: np, good luck! |
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| 20:30.44 | teratoma | i want to upgrade from lenny to squeeze. do i need to do anything besides replace lenny with squeeze in /etc/apt/sources.list ,and run aptitute dist-upgrade ? |
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| 20:31.10 | w3gi | keith4, hi again... maybe you could take a look for that... http://pastie.org/3022843 ... in postfix seems that noone is there... and i really need to come to my mails.... thanks |
| 20:31.29 | JordiGH | teratoma: dist-upgrade hasn't been the recommended update path for a while. Read the squeeze release notes. They contain full instructions on how to update. |
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| 20:33.24 | keith4 | w3gi: no idea. i'm not a mail guy |
| 20:33.53 | w3gi | ok... someone here who knows postfix? |
| 20:34.06 | fagott | <ikonia> fagott: please comply with Pici's request |
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| 20:34.14 | fagott | kick |
| 20:34.17 | fagott | lol |
| 20:34.29 | jelly-home | w3gi: there are some people in #postfix channel that do |
| 20:34.35 | keith4 | w3gi: also, you forgot to blank out the domains you were trying to hide, in several places |
| 20:34.49 | fagott | <ikonia> fagott: please comply with Pici's request |
| 20:35.01 | fagott | rofl |
| 20:35.02 | jelly-home | !ops fagott |
| 20:35.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: fagott |
| 20:35.15 | w3gi | i see... i it on that problem... since morning... |
| 20:35.28 | fagott | difference? |
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| 20:35.40 | fagott | dpkg |
| 20:35.42 | testswap | Hello, I'm trying to customize PureFTPD, I can't find any documentation how to configure it. I like at the perl wrapper, saw some options, but I"m looking for more info what each option does and where to place the configuration opts? |
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| 20:35.47 | fagott | dpkg |
| 20:35.50 | keith4 | w3gi: #postfix can help you. we're all volunteers, though, so you might have to be patient |
| 20:35.50 | w3gi | slowly i am totally tired... |
| 20:35.51 | fagott | dpkg |
| 20:36.00 | fagott | dpkg |
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| 20:36.23 | jelly-home | thanks |
| 20:36.27 | darkknightcz | hi, is someone here with some experience with /etc/network/interfaces (2 networks), if i have this settings - http://pastebin.com/S131P9UJ , eth1 is working, eth0 isnt |
| 20:36.28 | Krabbe | :) |
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| 20:36.57 | keith4 | darkknightcz: define "working" and "isn't [working]" |
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| 20:37.22 | Jef91 | Can someone pastebin me the contents of their /etc/inittab file? |
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| 20:37.34 | gele | are there any obvious security holes in configuring sudo to let my main non-root users use 'mount' without a password? |
| 20:37.46 | darkknightcz | keith4: eth1 has correct ip address and its "used", eth0 isnt |
| 20:37.51 | keith4 | Jef91: http://pastebin.com/D8GMmP6G |
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| 20:38.23 | keith4 | darkknightcz: pastebin the output of 'ifconfig -a' and 'route -n' |
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| 20:38.45 | keith4 | gele: is this something that couldn't be handled with the 'users' option in fstab? |
| 20:38.46 | testswap | I'm going through right now: http://linux.justinhartman.com/PureFTPd_Installation_and_Setup.... but I would like more info? :/ |
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| 20:39.07 | gele | keith4: i don't want to write one explicit fstab entry for every filesystem. |
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| 20:39.28 | gele | keith4: what i'm trying to do is to setup lots of encrypted containers, using ecryptfs, for different uses. |
| 20:39.34 | Jef91 | thanks keith4 |
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| 20:39.55 | alex-|laptop | Anywhere I can get a free SSL certificate? |
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| 20:40.06 | alex-|laptop | Just because my NAS needs one to work over port 443 :\ |
| 20:40.27 | Aft3rglow | alex-|laptop: www.startssl.com i think |
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| 20:40.34 | gele | alex-|laptop: doesn't a self-generated one work? |
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| 20:40.37 | darkknightcz | keith4: ifconfig -a isnt usefull for you (not in english), route -n -> http://pastebin.com/LTk16fBA (but i didnt restarted whole server, i only restarted networking daemon) |
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| 20:40.55 | darkknightcz | so it is set (dunno why) |
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| 20:41.04 | Aft3rglow | Does anyone know how to modify the initrd to load an extra kernel module with live-build ? |
| 20:41.13 | alex-|laptop | gele: i think it does |
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| 20:41.30 | alex-|laptop | Aft3rglow: they have some strange terms and conditions |
| 20:41.52 | Aft3rglow | alex-|laptop: if it is just for you self sign one then I guess |
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| 20:42.26 | gele | alex-|laptop: you should be able to use the openssl command line tool for that (i think) |
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| 20:43.00 | alex-|laptop | I get some error while doing so :P |
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| 20:43.04 | teratoma | what's the best way to make a custom deb? checkinstall? |
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| 20:43.30 | ElDiabolo | How can I read a frozen mail shown by mailq? |
| 20:43.30 | alex-|laptop | oh |
| 20:43.31 | alex-|laptop | got it working |
| 20:43.42 | johnnyjet | Hi, I want to install gnome-shell 3 on squeeze. I'd prefer not moving to testing because there's a problem with the xorg version and the nvidia drivers. Is it possible ? |
| 20:44.05 | karlpinc | alex-|laptop: Yes, you use openssl. FWIW, both apache and openvpn have ssl-making scripts included. |
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| 20:45.06 | keith4 | darkknightcz: can you ping 10.108.13.1? |
| 20:45.11 | JordiGH | teratoma: checkinstall is ok for quick-and-dirty personal debs, yeah. |
| 20:45.12 | alex-|laptop | what is the program files location of gedit? |
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| 20:45.39 | Aft3rglow | also if I load a network driver through /etc/modules is there any way to have it automatically come up and run dhcp booting from livecd built with live-build? Currently it is not there so I am having to run ifconfig eth2 up and dhcp client manually? |
| 20:45.57 | Aft3rglow | alex-|laptop: if you type which gedit in a terminal it will probably tell you |
| 20:46.07 | alex-|laptop | No |
| 20:46.09 | alex-|laptop | but nvm |
| 20:46.09 | darkknightcz | keith4: now im on eth0 (its server with running services, i cannot afford blackout), also i can ping 93.91.56.1 |
| 20:46.11 | teratoma | JordiGH: what if i dont want to be quick and dirty? |
| 20:46.16 | alex-|laptop | How do I know my private key? |
| 20:46.29 | alex-|laptop | I have the alex-vpn-ca.cert |
| 20:46.30 | JordiGH | teratoma: Then you use debhelper to build an actual packaging. |
| 20:46.32 | alex-|laptop | but not the private key |
| 20:46.32 | keith4 | darkknightcz: ... huh? |
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| 20:46.52 | darkknightcz | keith4: i blocked eth1 settings with #, because then eth0 isnt working |
| 20:47.11 | keith4 | darkknightcz: "isn't working" is never a helpful diagnosis |
| 20:47.17 | Cradam | anyone know how to install grub if it wasnt installed at setup and you dont have internet access on that OS? |
| 20:47.20 | ikonia | Cradam: I think you'll find the debian channel just as keen to support debian rather than derivatives such as you are using, same as when you asked in #ubuntu, you may be lucky though |
| 20:47.31 | JordiGH | What? |
| 20:47.37 | JordiGH | We support Ubuntu? |
| 20:47.40 | keith4 | gele: ah. so... that's tricky. and yes: letting users run 'sudo mount' is dangerous. people can mount a disk image over /usr/sbin, for example... |
| 20:47.48 | darkknightcz | keith4: ok, eth0 is internal ip adress which is visible (it has set external ip) |
| 20:47.57 | JordiGH | !ubuntu |
| 20:47.58 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 20:48.00 | Cradam | ooh, ive gained a stalker |
| 20:48.11 | Aft3rglow | alex-|laptop: from memory when you run openssl to generate the ca cert do you not pass -out ca.key and get the key in a file called ca.key? |
| 20:48.31 | darkknightcz | keith4: and if i set eth1 (and restart networking daemon), external ip on eth0 cant be pinged (if you understand this) |
| 20:48.35 | alex-|laptop | i get a file |
| 20:48.40 | alex-|laptop | alex-vpnm-ca.cert |
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| 20:49.10 | Cradam | "Even if the channel happens to be less helpful", lol well said |
| 20:49.11 | nullie | Hello, what is good cli frontend for iptables? |
| 20:49.12 | JordiGH | lol |
| 20:49.20 | gele | keith4: this is for my own user though, not random people on a large network. |
| 20:49.32 | keith4 | gele: oh oh. then go for it |
| 20:49.40 | alex-|laptop | Aft3rglow: how can I generate it agian? |
| 20:49.41 | alex-|laptop | again * |
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| 20:50.08 | Cradam | btw this problem has nothing to do with ubuntu, it is just a apt-get problem for a usb install of minimal debian |
| 20:50.14 | keith4 | nullie: not sure about "good", but if firehol is still around/maintained, you might give it a look |
| 20:50.15 | ikonia | no it's not |
| 20:50.19 | gele | i'd use a fuse based system, but encfs doesn't seem to be as nice as ecryptfs. |
| 20:50.23 | ikonia | Cradam: don't like, you said it was an ubuntu variant, not debian |
| 20:50.47 | Cradam | ikonia: yes well i would say that when i am in #ubuntu when i know how much on-topic you guys are |
| 20:50.49 | nullie | keith4, yeah, looking at it, last release 3 years ago though |
| 20:51.02 | keith4 | iptables hasn't changed much, has it? |
| 20:51.12 | ikonia | Cradam: so you're probably telling lies in here too after you've just been told it's debian only in here |
| 20:51.23 | keith4 | Cradam: what's uname -a say? |
| 20:51.26 | ikonia | Cradam: you lied in #ubuntu to try to get support, so you're probably not being honest here |
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| 20:51.32 | nullie | keith4, didn't 3 kernel brind anything new? |
| 20:51.32 | keith4 | nullie: oh, but last I checked, firehol didn't play well with ipv6... |
| 20:51.51 | keith4 | (if that matters to you) |
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| 20:52.12 | Aft3rglow | alex-|laptop: look at something like http://www.akadia.com/services/ssh_test_certificate.html which should give you step by step how to get a self signed cert |
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| 20:52.20 | Cradam | keith4: i am not in the OS as it doesnt have internet |
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| 20:52.34 | Cradam | ikonia: and i still call stalker |
| 20:52.45 | ikonia | Cradam: I was in this channel before you joined, I follow Debian |
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| 20:53.01 | Cradam | ikonia: doesnt mean you were active before i mentioned that i was joining the channel |
| 20:53.02 | keith4 | darkknightcz: don't restart networking. just 'ifup eth1'. then pastebin ifconfig -a |
| 20:53.06 | ikonia | Cradam: I wasn't active |
| 20:53.12 | darkknightcz | keith4: ok, then wait |
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| 20:54.33 | darkknightcz | keith4: SIOCADDRT: File exists Failed to bring up eth1. |
| 20:54.35 | alex-|laptop | thanks Aft3rglow |
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| 20:54.44 | keith4 | darkknightcz: try ifdown eth1 first? |
| 20:55.05 | darkknightcz | keith4: yes, ifdown: interface eth1 not configured |
| 20:55.14 | keith4 | Aft3rglow: isn't there a make-ssl-cert script in the ssl-certs package? |
| 20:55.21 | keith4 | darkknightcz: interesting |
| 20:55.31 | Aft3rglow | keith4: no idea :) |
| 20:55.40 | Aft3rglow | darkknightcz: ifconfig eth1 down |
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| 20:55.58 | Bugson | guys how to force module to load at every boot time |
| 20:56.00 | Bugson | ? |
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| 20:56.07 | Aft3rglow | Bugson: /etc/modules |
| 20:56.07 | keith4 | Bugson: put it in /etc/modules? |
| 20:56.16 | Bugson | thx ;) |
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| 20:56.20 | darkknightcz | keith4: sorry, pidgin froze |
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| 20:56.36 | keith4 | darkknightcz: did you try Aft3rglow's suggestion? |
| 20:56.42 | nullie | well... maybe there is plugin solution for NAT? I don't want to reinvent the wheel |
| 20:56.56 | darkknightcz | Aft3rglow: thanks |
| 20:57.01 | keith4 | nullie: firehol can do that for you, iirc |
| 20:57.13 | darkknightcz | keith4: yes, ifup eth1 is "working" :) |
| 20:57.15 | keith4 | nullie: so can dnsmasq |
| 20:57.33 | nullie | keith4, really? Can't find NAT in manual |
| 20:57.44 | darkknightcz | keith4: ok, so eth0 ip address is no longer pingable |
| 20:57.45 | Cradam | ikonia: its a simple fact that this problem is on topic for any OS that uses dpkg |
| 20:58.03 | keith4 | darkknightcz: I thought eth0 was the internal one? |
| 20:58.08 | darkknightcz | yes |
| 20:58.14 | keith4 | pingable from where? |
| 20:58.18 | ikonia | Cradam: not in this channel, this channel is for Debian only, as you've been told |
| 20:58.28 | keith4 | gah. show us ifconfig output! |
| 20:58.30 | darkknightcz | from internet (it is internal -> router assigns externail ip) |
| 20:59.12 | ikonia | Cradam: you may get lucky with someone who wants to help though, I don't set the rules in here, |
| 20:59.20 | freenodiz | hi,what's the name of the app that gives the system hardware info?lhfs..somenthing like that..rsrsr |
| 20:59.21 | alex-|laptop | Aft3rglow: openssl_x509_read(): supplied parameter cannot be coerced into an X509 certificate! |
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| 20:59.37 | jhutchins_wk | How quickly should swapoff return? |
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| 20:59.58 | Cradam | ill try #linux tomorrow, atleast it will be ontopic there |
| 21:00.12 | ikonia | Cradam: good call |
| 21:00.15 | gele | Freeaqingme: lshal? |
| 21:00.19 | alex-|laptop | Aft3rglow: can you help me with that? |
| 21:00.23 | nvz | jhutchins_wk: I'd say if you're asking that question, then there is a problem.. cause usually it would return faster than you could ask |
| 21:00.24 | babilen | jhutchins_wk: More or less immediately if it is not used. |
| 21:00.29 | gele | freenodiz: lshal? |
| 21:00.53 | keith4 | if the swap is in use, it has to move that to another available swap location. if there isn't another available swap... it might not return until the swap isn't in use? |
| 21:00.54 | freenodiz | lshws? |
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| 21:01.59 | darkknightcz | keith4: http://www.raska.me/ifconfig.txt |
| 21:02.04 | alex-|laptop | Aft3rglow: nvm, got it working |
| 21:03.01 | keith4 | darkknightcz: if you can ping both gateways... they're both "working" |
| 21:03.26 | keith4 | if it's a problem pinging through some router/NAT-box, then it's a problem with your NAT (snat?) setup. on the router. |
| 21:03.54 | darkknightcz | keith4: didnt try to ping eth0 gateway when eth1 is enables, give me a moment |
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| 21:04.08 | keith4 | darkknightcz: also, you don't need to specify the network and broadcast. ifconfig can figure those out from the other 3 params (address, gateway, netmask) |
| 21:04.48 | darkknightcz | keith4: it was default setting, i didnt change it |
| 21:04.55 | Aft3rglow | darkknightcz: can you supply your routing table? output of route -n |
| 21:05.14 | keith4 | also, you probably don't want 2 default gateways unless you're really sure about that |
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| 21:05.32 | keith4 | but that would depend on your network topology |
| 21:05.39 | karlpinc | freenodiz: dmidecode? |
| 21:05.43 | Aft3rglow | yeah I was going to say what keith4 said :) the pastebin before had two default gateways which is unlikely to work |
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| 21:06.08 | keith4 | iirc, linux will just pick the first one listed, when you have 2 gateways |
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| 21:06.30 | Aft3rglow | does anyone know how to specify extra modules for initrd with live-build ? |
| 21:06.33 | keith4 | so, unless 10.108.13.0 can _really_ route traffic back to wherever you're pinging from, that's a problem |
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| 21:07.20 | keith4 | (i didn't notice that from your first pastebin, because you put in fake IPs...) |
| 21:07.25 | darkknightcz | keith4: if i enable eth1, i can ping 10.108.13.1, but i cannot ping that extretnal ip |
| 21:07.33 | darkknightcz | keith4: yes |
| 21:07.41 | keith4 | darkknightcz: it sounds like you don't want 2 gateways, then |
| 21:07.53 | keith4 | remove the gateway for eth0 |
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| 21:08.32 | keith4 | (or you could delete that route, to test the theory) |
| 21:08.45 | darkknightcz | keith4: no change |
| 21:08.54 | keith4 | show us route -n now |
| 21:09.19 | darkknightcz | 93.91.56.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 21:09.19 | darkknightcz | 0.0.0.0 93.91.56.1 0.0.0.0 UG 100 0 0 eth1 |
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| 21:11.37 | keith4 | darkknightcz: uh... show us /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 21:13.34 | darkknightcz | http://pastebin.com/mtmFsJtM |
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| 21:14.46 | keith4 | darkknightcz: and what happens when you bring up eth0? |
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| 21:15.23 | darkknightcz | keith4: no change |
| 21:15.42 | keith4 | good. so is everything "working"? |
| 21:15.48 | darkknightcz | no |
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| 21:16.09 | Aft3rglow | darkknightcz: you should have the route from your first pastebin "10.108.13.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0" in the output of route -n |
| 21:16.15 | darkknightcz | eth0 doesnt have gateway, external ip cannot be pinged (that one from eth0) |
| 21:16.16 | keith4 | i give up |
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| 21:16.42 | keith4 | I think I don't understand the problem, here... |
| 21:16.44 | burg | hello. i am trying to install debian from hard disk. i am following this steps : http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd (i use grub), but after i boot into installer, the installer tells me that no cd could be found. how can i select the image on my hard drive? |
| 21:17.30 | Aft3rglow | darkknightcz: can you clear up for me what you are trying to do? eth0 is a private network with no internet access and eth1 is your public interface? is that correct? |
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| 21:18.41 | darkknightcz | Aft3rglow: eth0 is private network (with internet access), default gateway of eth0 assigns external ip address, eth1 is network with direct access to internet (no forwarding) |
| 21:19.15 | Aft3rglow | darkknightcz: and you want to use both internet connections? |
| 21:19.17 | darkknightcz | i have to change to eth1 address, but i cant "shut down" access to eth0, because i have services running on that ip |
| 21:19.20 | darkknightcz | yes |
| 21:19.38 | Aft3rglow | darkknightcz: you need source based multiple routing tables I think, good luck with that :) |
| 21:20.00 | Aft3rglow | darkknightcz: otherwise when you get traffic from one interface the replies can be sent from the other interface and it doesn't work |
| 21:20.32 | Aft3rglow | darkknightcz: see http://wlug.org.nz/SourceBasedRouting |
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| 21:21.35 | Aft3rglow | darkknightcz: basically you need to set it up so that packets recieved on eth0 go out by eth0 and the same for eth1, to achieve that you need two routing tables based on the source interface |
| 21:22.33 | darkknightcz | Aft3rglow: but it doesnt solve my problem i guess, the problem is, when i enable eth1, its the only one visible from internet |
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| 21:23.13 | Aft3rglow | darkknightcz: yes probably because when you send packets to eth0 you get asymmetrical routing, you send a packet to eth0, the response is sent back via eth1 and is rejected by the original sender |
| 21:23.44 | darkknightcz | then should packets from eth1 be sent from eth0 then? |
| 21:23.48 | darkknightcz | *shouldnt |
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| 21:24.35 | Aft3rglow | darkknightcz: yes when you send packets to an interface the response must come from the same interface |
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| 21:24.45 | Aft3rglow | darkknightcz: and that won't work if you just set a default gateway on both |
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| 21:25.58 | darkknightcz | Aft3rglow: yeah, i know that :) so i need to setup source based routing firts, so every packet will be sent from same interface |
| 21:26.06 | darkknightcz | *first |
| 21:26.12 | Aft3rglow | darkknightcz: yes exactly |
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| 21:27.09 | darkknightcz | hmm, i thought its already "in core", i didnt have the same problem with two internal ip addresses |
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| 21:27.55 | Aft3rglow | darkknightcz: you probably would not need a gateway for internal IP so no problem |
| 21:27.59 | Kobaz | anyone have any experience with quad head nvidia... i have two cards, i can use pci id 1 and one set of monitors comes up. i can switch everything to pci id 2 and then the other set of monitors come up, so both cards are working |
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| 21:28.40 | darkknightcz | Aft3rglow: yes, but if i "delete" eth0´s gateway, no change there |
| 21:28.46 | Kobaz | but if i put pci card id 1 and pci card id 2, then only one pair of monitors comes up |
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| 21:29.25 | Aft3rglow | darkknightcz: if you delete the gateway from eth0 you can't ping eth1? |
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| 21:29.40 | darkknightcz | no, i cant ping eth0 |
| 21:29.44 | darkknightcz | so no change |
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| 21:30.09 | Aft3rglow | darkknightcz: that is probably because you ping eth0 from outside the gateway and the response comes from eth1 |
| 21:31.48 | darkknightcz | do you have some experience with source based routing? i dont think i get all of it :) |
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| 21:32.21 | Aft3rglow | darkknightcz: i've set it up a couple of times, I tend to avoid it :) |
| 21:32.51 | darkknightcz | aand can it be done somehow else? |
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| 21:33.43 | Aft3rglow | darkknightcz: not that I know of |
| 21:34.20 | darkknightcz | hmm, but i had this working with default settings several times (not with external/internal, but with internal/internal) |
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| 21:34.54 | Aft3rglow | darkknightcz: when you have two internal interfaces there are no gateways so the problem does not exist assuming the two interfaces are in different ip ranges |
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| 21:35.30 | Aft3rglow | darkknightcz: this describes exactly the problem you have - http://linux-tips.org/article/71/routing-packets-back-from-incoming-interface |
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| 21:36.37 | darkknightcz | ok, will look, thanks |
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| 21:37.35 | darkknightcz | Aft3rglow: but now i cannot try this :) that server is 300km away from my current location (and i cannot afford blackout) |
| 21:37.53 | Aft3rglow | darkknightcz: yes you have a problem there :D |
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| 21:38.46 | darkknightcz | yeeah, i thought i can do something easily today :D |
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| 21:42.55 | darkknightcz | i guess, there is no "magic rule" for iptables (for example), that can do that, right? |
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| 21:48.02 | ChrizC | hi there, I just updated my debian using apt-get and I rebooted. now, whenever I try to log in, I get an error "failed to load session 'gnome'" |
| 21:48.12 | ChrizC | if I try to use TWM, it just sticks on loading, never goes past |
| 21:48.13 | ChrizC | any help? |
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| 21:50.11 | DammitJim | what is the package name for nm-applet in apt? |
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| 21:50.22 | devrw | ChrizC: any errors in ~/.xsession-errors ? |
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| 21:50.36 | ChrizC | devrw: hold on |
| 21:50.38 | gele | DammitJim: network-manager-gnome |
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| 21:51.42 | ChrizC | devrw: I can't find out. I'm currently running an ubuntu live disk and I don't have permission to open the file |
| 21:52.08 | ChrizC | and before anyone mentions it, I have DEBIAN installed, just had an Ubuntu live disk lying about |
| 21:52.14 | ChrizC | just incase anyone got confused |
| 21:52.25 | ChrizC | but yeah, I don't have permission to open the file, devrw . |
| 21:53.31 | ChrizC | woops, nevermind devrw , needed to root it |
| 21:53.33 | ChrizC | and nope, no errors |
| 21:54.00 | ChrizC | oh wait, I have errors in the old file |
| 21:54.17 | ChrizC | gnome-settings-daemon: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0. |
| 21:54.22 | ChrizC | many of them kind of errors |
| 21:54.46 | ChrizC | devrw: ^ |
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| 21:55.40 | DammitJim | how do I configure network-manager to show information about my wireless network? |
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| 21:56.20 | hoverbear | Hey, using Wheezy, I have gnome-online-accounts installed... But I can't seem to use it? |
| 21:56.29 | hoverbear | I have gnome3 installed, of course. |
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| 21:57.10 | DammitJim | is there a NetworkManager channel? |
| 21:57.19 | Justin | DammitJim: show information? |
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| 21:57.43 | DammitJim | Justin, is that a command? |
| 21:57.46 | The_Schmidt | DammitJim: #nm |
| 21:57.51 | DammitJim | thanks |
| 21:58.09 | Justin | DammitJim: no, i have no idea what you mean by show information |
| 21:58.30 | ChrizC | can anyone help me? I updated my Debian (there were like 690 package updates), and now when I try to log on, I get "cannot load session 'gnome'" |
| 21:59.02 | DammitJim | Justin, right now, nm-applet shows me there is a wired connection, but not wireless |
| 21:59.16 | DammitJim | somehow it's not configured to look at the other interface.. how do I add it |
| 21:59.22 | The_Schmidt | ChrizC: do you have a different desktop environment installed you can try? |
| 21:59.42 | ChrizC | The_Schmidt: I tried TWM but that just freezes on log in. Never loads. |
| 22:00.01 | The_Schmidt | ChrizC: can you log into the tty? |
| 22:00.19 | Justin | DammitJim: remove anything related to wireless from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:00.28 | ChrizC | The_Schmidt: TTY? |
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| 22:01.35 | ChrizC | The_Schmidt? |
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| 22:02.20 | The_Schmidt | ChrizC: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/shortcuts.html |
| 22:02.58 | ChrizC | The_Schmidt: okay, so once I'm in a TTY, what do I do after that? |
| 22:03.02 | DammitJim | Justin, what does that do? |
| 22:03.24 | The_Schmidt | ChrizC: log in and see if you can do some updates |
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| 22:03.39 | ChrizC | The_Schmidt: I got the errors *by* updating. |
| 22:03.58 | The_Schmidt | I think this is the standard fix ... apt-get install -f |
| 22:04.18 | ChrizC | okay, so reboot into debian, ctrl + alt + f1 at the login screen? |
| 22:04.21 | ChrizC | then apt-get install -f |
| 22:04.22 | ChrizC | ? |
| 22:04.49 | DammitJim | ok, I removed it, what now? |
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| 22:05.08 | ChrizC | have I got that right, The_Schmidt ? |
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| 22:06.42 | The_Schmidt | looks good |
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| 22:06.57 | ChrizC | alright, will try |
| 22:06.59 | ChrizC | cheers |
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| 22:07.54 | The_Schmidt | ChrizC: remember .. if you don't understand a command ... try these: commandname --help, man commandname, or google it |
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| 22:07.59 | The_Schmidt | o well |
| 22:08.27 | Justin | DammitJim: network manager will manage the interface. you might have to restart network manager though |
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| 22:08.41 | hikenboot | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.50 | Justin | DammitJim: basically, if you have it setup in /etc/network/interfaces, networkmanager ignores it |
| 22:08.56 | DammitJim | I did... it's weird because my eth0 stuff is in there and it detects it |
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| 22:09.31 | hoverbear | Hey, using Wheezy, I have gnome-online-accounts installed... But I can't seem to use it? |
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| 22:09.57 | simonlnu | ask in #debian-next on oftc network |
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| 22:10.11 | hikenboot | what I read is it's a support problem with disk sharing over iscsi and that the implementation of ISCSI is at fault for not supporting these conditions but they seem to be old articles |
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| 22:15.31 | hikenboot | is there a way through a repository to get http://linux-iscsi.org/index.php/LIO-Target? |
| 22:15.48 | hikenboot | that can be built against my current kernel |
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| 22:16.01 | hikenboot | 2.6.32-6-pve |
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| 22:20.31 | hikenboot | I am using kernel 2.6.32-6-pve but I understand that linux-iscsi is supported in the mainline kernel as of 2.6.38 is there a version of this kernel specific for pve? |
| 22:20.55 | hikenboot | I assume pve= kvm? |
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| 22:21.52 | Justin | what is pve? that's not a debian thing |
| 22:22.01 | hikenboot | proxmox and kvm |
| 22:22.11 | gnugr | hikenboot: do you mean bpo.2-pae kernel? |
| 22:22.26 | hikenboot | no i dont think so gnugr |
| 22:22.40 | bzed | its not a debian kernel, so its not really supported here |
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| 22:23.13 | hikenboot | is there a debian kernel that i can compile with proxmox and kvm and linux-iscsi... |
| 22:23.16 | gnugr | hikenboot: are you with squeeze? |
| 22:23.23 | hikenboot | yes i am gnugr |
| 22:24.19 | bzed | hikenboot: whats wrong with the iscsitarget and iscsitarget-dkms packages? |
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| 22:24.35 | gnugr | hikenboot: if you want newer kernel add backports in sources.list |
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| 22:24.57 | bzed | gnugr: that doesn't work for hikenboot as he is stuck wth that proxmox weirdness |
| 22:25.12 | hikenboot | I am running microsoft servers over kvm and i am attaching cluster disks to the guests ...the host runs squeeze |
| 22:25.20 | gnugr | oh i see |
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| 22:25.41 | bzed | hikenboot: install iscsitarget and iscsitarget-dkms, that should work fine with your windows stuff |
| 22:25.42 | hikenboot | the iscsi target is running on squeeze |
| 22:25.51 | hikenboot | getting persistent reservation errors |
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| 22:26.08 | hikenboot | bzed: I will try that |
| 22:26.25 | hikenboot | I just wasnt sure that the package for squeeze supported persistent iscsi reservations |
| 22:26.33 | bzed | hikenboot: no idea if it does |
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| 22:26.44 | EricRaymond | what's kvm |
| 22:26.50 | bzed | !kvm |
| 22:26.51 | dpkg | The Kernel-based Virtual Machine (KVM) is a full <virtualization> solution for Linux hosts on x86 hardware with x86 guests. Packaged for Debian as qemu-kvm since Squeeze, kvm in Lenny. See http://wiki.debian.org/KVM for installation instructions, also ask me about <xve>. http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/FAQ http://www.linux-kvm.org/ #kvm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:26.52 | EricRaymond | keyboard video montior switch? |
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| 22:27.03 | EricRaymond | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.10 | EricRaymond | thanks, I guess I'm used to hearing the other term |
| 22:27.10 | hikenboot | seems as though it has been incormporated as of 2.6.38 |
| 22:27.38 | hikenboot | which i take is upstream of squeeze? |
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| 22:29.03 | Kobaz | anyone familiar with doing quad-head with Xinerama |
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| 22:30.11 | hikenboot | how do i tell what features are supported in the iscsitarget and iscsitarget-dkms packages? |
| 22:30.19 | hikenboot | just install it and see? |
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| 22:30.30 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 22:30.44 | Agiofws | anyone know why i am getting this message |
| 22:30.46 | Agiofws | xrandr |
| 22:30.48 | Agiofws | Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 22:30.48 | Agiofws | RandR extension missing |
| 22:30.53 | Agiofws | ? |
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| 22:32.44 | da_tash | babilen: cashin' |
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| 22:37.16 | zykotick9 | Agiofws: are you using nvidia proprietary driver? |
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| 22:41.18 | zykotick9 | Agiofws: (i gotta run) but if you are using nvidia, xorg.conf Device section add: Option "RandRRotation" "on" |
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| 22:45.11 | jelly-home | zykotick9: that only enables rotation. The rudimentary support for RandR should exist right away |
| 22:45.32 | William_Conquero | test |
| 22:45.46 | EricRaymond | testing |
| 22:46.00 | zykotick9 | jelly-home: i got that same RANDR missing without the above option in xorg? |
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| 22:46.28 | dimitri7 | anyone testing remus? |
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| 22:46.50 | dimitri7 | disk sync and so on? |
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| 22:47.33 | ChrizC | hi there, I just tried to fix my debian install, and sudo apt-get upgrade installed about 600 packages, however around 180 are still marked as not upgraded. as soon as I try to apt-get install -f or upgrade, I get an error about programs not being in my PATH? |
| 22:47.35 | ChrizC | any help? |
| 22:48.01 | ChrizC | The_Schmidt ^ |
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| 22:48.23 | The_Schmidt | begins googling on this^ |
| 22:48.32 | streuner | ChrizC: please show us the error in a pastebin |
| 22:48.41 | dimitri7 | EricRaymond, have you tested remus? |
| 22:48.54 | ChrizC | streuner: how do you expect me to copy/paste an error from Debian TTY in a webchat on Ubuntu livedisk? |
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| 22:48.57 | streuner | ChrizC: and your sources.list |
| 22:49.00 | EricRaymond | no |
| 22:49.03 | EricRaymond | what's remus? |
| 22:49.20 | ChrizC | the errors were: |
| 22:49.29 | ChrizC | 'ldconfig' not found in PATH or program is not executable |
| 22:49.38 | streuner | that's really bad |
| 22:49.40 | ChrizC | 'start-stop-daemon' not found in PATH or program is not executable |
| 22:49.45 | jelly-home | zykotick9: I didn't! |
| 22:49.48 | ChrizC | then dpkg exited with error code 1 |
| 22:50.00 | streuner | ChrizC: are you sure, the HD is still ok? |
| 22:50.09 | dimitri7 | EricRaymond, Redundat Enhanced Moderately Unreliable Servers |
| 22:50.11 | ChrizC | streuner: the hard drive is old but should be fine. |
| 22:50.14 | The_Schmidt | ChrizC: you operating with elevated privileges? |
| 22:50.22 | ChrizC | The_Schmidt: you mean sudo? |
| 22:50.25 | The_Schmidt | yes |
| 22:50.28 | ChrizC | yes |
| 22:50.33 | streuner | ChrizC: make sure, and check smart |
| 22:50.59 | ChrizC | streuner: how would I check the hard drive is fine? |
| 22:51.08 | ChrizC | also, if hard drives screwing up is my problem, I've had two in the past week |
| 22:51.16 | ChrizC | Windows screwed up on my main (new) hard drive |
| 22:51.21 | ChrizC | now debian screws up on my old hard drive |
| 22:51.24 | streuner | ChrizC: if smartmontools is/was installed, check the logs or whatever |
| 22:51.33 | ChrizC | such *great* luck I have |
| 22:51.41 | ChrizC | streuner: I did install smartmontools, where would I find the logs? |
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| 22:52.33 | streuner | ChrizC: logs usually live in /var/log, but i have no idea about smartmontools |
| 22:53.31 | streuner | ChrizC: anyway, ldconfig errors usually causes in my experiences of a dieing HD... |
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| 22:53.46 | The_Schmidt | ChrizC: typically /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog |
| 22:53.58 | The_Schmidt | ^this from this page ... http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/man/smartd.8.html#lbAG |
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| 22:54.58 | ChrizC | Dec 15 22:36:28 ChrizC gnome-session[1830]: WARNING: Failed to start app: Unable to start application: Failed to execute child process "metacity" (No such file or directory) |
| 22:55.07 | streuner | forget that |
| 22:55.11 | ChrizC | I get a lot of errors about GTK-something |
| 22:55.19 | ChrizC | lots of criticals and warnings |
| 22:55.21 | streuner | thats pretty common |
| 22:55.51 | ChrizC | ACPI errors? |
| 22:56.26 | streuner | no, iam talking about GTK errors |
| 22:56.33 | ChrizC | no, I mean, what about ACPI errors? |
| 22:56.51 | ChrizC | got a lot of ACPI errors |
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| 22:57.02 | ChrizC | something about no handler for region |
| 22:57.11 | streuner | dpkg, acpi |
| 22:57.11 | dpkg | Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) is a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken, or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or generally better than <APM>. For a list of supported systems/BIOSes, see http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/acpi/ . See also <acpid>, <suspend>. |
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| 22:57.28 | ChrizC | ? |
| 22:57.36 | streuner | not well supported in Linux |
| 22:57.51 | streuner | according to that factoid |
| 22:57.52 | ChrizC | okay, should I not worry about errors for it, then? |
| 22:58.13 | streuner | if you using it :-P |
| 22:58.31 | ChrizC | I dunno if I'm using it :P |
| 22:58.35 | streuner | ok |
| 22:58.37 | ChrizC | anyway, my syslog doesn't contain any other errors |
| 22:58.53 | streuner | what about the HD? |
| 22:59.09 | ChrizC | nothing about it |
| 22:59.37 | The_Schmidt | ChrizC: post your errors to pastebin.com or something so we can have a look |
| 22:59.43 | streuner | Are you able to use a LIVE-CD with smartmontools and check the HD? |
| 22:59.57 | ChrizC | streuner: I'm on an Ubuntu live cd? |
| 23:00.05 | ChrizC | should I apt-get install smartmontools? |
| 23:00.19 | streuner | ChrizC: i dunno if *bunt* has smartmontools |
| 23:00.32 | streuner | why not? |
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| 23:00.51 | ChrizC | okay, what should I run once it's installed? |
| 23:00.56 | The_Schmidt | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Smartmontools |
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| 23:03.12 | ChrizC | The_Schmidt: erm, how do I get the path to my drive? |
| 23:03.26 | streuner | cat /proc/partitions |
| 23:04.19 | streuner | (that would list the know partitions, what the kernel knows about your system) |
| 23:04.27 | streuner | s/know/known/ |
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| 23:05.05 | ChrizC | alright, testing |
| 23:07.39 | ChrizC | streuner: I'm seeing a lot of pre-fail and old-age? |
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| 23:08.09 | streuner | ChrizC: sure, how you interprete those things, you should google for it |
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| 23:08.42 | streuner | ChrizC: i know only a german website which explains it, but its unfortunatly in german |
| 23:09.06 | streuner | ChrizC: only in german* |
| 23:09.57 | streuner | ChrizC: smartmontools isnt that easy vs. some other apps in other OSs which tell you, the HD is crap or not :-) |
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| 23:11.10 | ChrizC | streuner: according to smartmontool's manpage, the drive didn't fail any tests. |
| 23:11.55 | streuner | ChrizC: well, if you lucky enough, its the FS, which only sucks then... |
| 23:12.11 | ChrizC | FS? |
| 23:12.14 | ChrizC | file system? |
| 23:12.20 | streuner | filesystem, yes |
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| 23:12.47 | ChrizC | so course of action? |
| 23:12.53 | ChrizC | back up home directory, reinstall debian? |
| 23:12.59 | streuner | man fsck |
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| 23:14.42 | ChrizC | streuner: device busy? |
| 23:14.44 | ChrizC | I've unmounted it |
| 23:14.49 | ChrizC | and closed everything that could be using it |
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| 23:15.12 | streuner | well, if you unsure, what caused this, just reboot :-/ |
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| 23:15.30 | ChrizC | streuner: I've tried rebooting many times |
| 23:15.34 | ScottO_ | on my linux permissions i see an s where an x should be to indicate executable |
| 23:15.37 | ScottO_ | why is that>? |
| 23:15.40 | ChrizC | I still get cannot start session 'gnome' |
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| 23:16.47 | streuner | ChrizC: and you still wondering about the whole errors you got *AND* ldconfig errors? |
| 23:16.54 | ChrizC | yep |
| 23:17.01 | ScottO_ | anyone? |
| 23:17.16 | streuner | ChrizC: well, i doubt, that your HD isnt ok, IMO |
| 23:17.32 | streuner | ChrizC: s/isnt/is/ |
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| 23:17.49 | ChrizC | streuner: smartmontools passes it with flying colours |
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| 23:17.56 | ChrizC | streuner: my debian was fine, until I tried to update |
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| 23:18.04 | ChrizC | as soon as I updated, everything went to shit |
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| 23:18.20 | streuner | ChrizC: updates say nothing... |
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| 23:18.39 | hikenboot | I am using bridging for kvm...when I assign a briged ethernet port an ip address of its own it gives me the error eth1 link is not ready anyone know how to fix I would like to be able to bridge to the ethernet port for kvm guests but also be able to access internet on host os(debian squeeze) |
| 23:18.40 | ChrizC | streuner: there were about 800 packages to update |
| 23:18.52 | streuner | ChrizC: it just access the HD, and an error of the HD can happen anytime |
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| 23:20.28 | ChrizC | streuner: /dev/hda1: clean, 229637/4685824 files, 2967905/18733824 blocks |
| 23:20.31 | streuner | ChrizC: 99 percent of Debian people just updates there packages |
| 23:22.08 | ChrizC | streuner: fsck says my drive is clear, too. |
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| 23:22.32 | streuner | ChrizC: if they not using a strange libc6 ;-) |
| 23:22.51 | ChrizC | huh? |
| 23:22.53 | streuner | ChrizC: and that shouldnt be the case |
| 23:23.07 | streuner | some downloaded/compiled version |
| 23:23.14 | ChrizC | what are you on about? |
| 23:23.54 | streuner | ChrizC: ok, so just backup your /home and re-install Debian |
| 23:24.01 | ChrizC | okay |
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| 23:32.33 | ChrizC | erm I can't mount my other hard drive |
| 23:32.37 | ChrizC | something about an unclean shut down |
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| 23:33.06 | jelly-home | ntfs? |
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| 23:33.20 | ChrizC | yeah, jelly-home |
| 23:33.31 | SSigSeg | hey guys :) |
| 23:34.25 | SSigSeg | anyone familiar with debian and Acer Aspire One notebooks running debian linux 4.3.5-4 that might know a thing or 2 about wireless? |
| 23:36.22 | streuner | SSigSeg: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 23:36.35 | jelly-home | ChrizC: boot into windows, it will replay the journal log properly. then shut it down or restart back into linux |
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| 23:36.56 | ChrizC | jelly-home: I can't exactly boot into windows. my windows install is also screwed. |
| 23:37.09 | streuner | lol |
| 23:37.18 | ChrizC | I can boot to the login screen |
| 23:37.20 | ChrizC | will that be good enough? |
| 23:37.51 | jelly-home | I _think_ so. |
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| 23:37.58 | ChrizC | alright, will brb |
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| 23:59.06 | evilbulgarian | hi, how can i get my debian to discover and mount btrfs filesytem on boot? |
