| 00:00.25 | The_Schmidt | evilbulgarian: u have this package installed? btrfs-tools |
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| 00:03.33 | evilbulgarian | The_Schmidt: yup |
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| 00:03.54 | evilbulgarian | The_Schmidt: once i reboot and try to mount my drive it complains |
| 00:04.02 | evilbulgarian | so i have to do btrfs device scan first |
| 00:04.27 | The_Schmidt | so you can mount it after you are running? |
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| 00:04.39 | The_Schmidt | or no? |
| 00:05.15 | evilbulgarian | teratoma: i can mount it but i want to be able to do it at boot in fstab |
| 00:05.19 | evilbulgarian | as its my /var |
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| 00:05.36 | evilbulgarian | i dont want to do it by hand every time after system is booted |
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| 00:06.35 | jcrowgey | does anyone here know a bit about usbwebcams? i've got a camera that supposedly supports 1280x1024 mode, but so far only seems to successfully operate in 640x480 |
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| 00:07.29 | The_Schmidt | jcrowgey: it runs video in that mode or will take pictures that size? ... there's a difference |
| 00:07.59 | jcrowgey | i installd guvcview, and there's an option in the gui to set the camera to 1280x1024, but when i do, i see a message in the stderrr that says "could not grab image (select timeout): resource temp. unavailable. |
| 00:08.20 | jcrowgey | the_schmidt: you have a good point, i'll see if can get it to take a still pic at that res |
| 00:08.51 | Imran-UK | evilbulgarian, wont you need btrfs support in the initrd? |
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| 00:09.56 | Imran-UK | so just put therequired line in /etc/fstab |
| 00:10.17 | jcrowgey | the_schmidt, do you know a good way to test that? in guvcview, i can click on "cap.image" at the bottom, but as soon as i set the camera resolution to 1280x1024, stderr gets a bunch of messages about 'could not grab...' same message i was reporting above. |
| 00:10.28 | evilbulgarian | Imran-UK: i have a custom kernel with btrfs compiled in |
| 00:10.31 | jcrowgey | and the window showing the camera preview is just black. |
| 00:10.50 | The_Schmidt | jcrowgey: no, I have very little experience with webcams |
| 00:10.53 | Imran-UK | is there anyhting in dmesg about it? |
| 00:11.02 | bsdnux_ | i migrated several debian squeeze domUs from a Xen 3.3.0 ubuntu frankenstein to a new squeeze dom0 with faster hardware (better cpu, more ram, faster disks). i have proftpd installed on a few domUs, which worked fine on the old box. on the new box proftpd would run at 100% cpu time and be completely unresponsive. the only way to interact with it is kill -9. my kernel is 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64. proftpd logs are quiet. where can i go from |
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| 00:12.43 | Imran-UK | bsdnux_, cant you run proftpd in debug mode not backgrounded? |
| 00:13.02 | Imran-UK | in domU or dom0? |
| 00:13.11 | bsdnux_ | yes i can, but it doesn't spit out much info apart from what it's loading even on -d 10 |
| 00:13.21 | bsdnux_ | domU |
| 00:13.36 | bsdnux_ | two domUs actually with the same problem (the ones with proftpd) |
| 00:13.40 | Imran-UK | what does a strace output? |
| 00:14.19 | Imran-UK | loading? |
| 00:14.44 | bsdnux_ | ok, strace is new to me… one moment please |
| 00:14.47 | Imran-UK | must you use proftpd? vsftpd has a better security record afaik |
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| 00:16.02 | bsdnux_ | i coded a management interface with a pgsql backend once and it's buildt on proftpd.. that's pretty much the problem |
| 00:16.20 | bsdnux_ | i dunno if vsftpd has a pgsql backend, have to check |
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| 00:17.20 | Imran-UK | bsdnux_, was proftp installed from repository or from tarball upstream? |
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| 00:17.32 | bsdnux_ | repo |
| 00:17.33 | Tekk__ | how do I add an entry to the debian menus? snooping around in /usr/share and I'm not seeing anything for it |
| 00:18.04 | bsdnux_ | it says SIGILL (Illegal instruction) with a load of zeroes and rt-sigreturn(0xfffffffff) |
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| 00:18.47 | Imran-UK | bsdnux_, try the debian bugzilla for the package and see if reported. i have seen some oddities with certain repo installs (apache + php5 on lenny come to mind). you might want to try package remove then re-install as a last reosrt. |
| 00:19.20 | bsdnux_ | i purged and reinstalled without success |
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| 00:19.48 | Imran-UK | bsdnux_, ok and when it installed it cleanly got any dependencies? |
| 00:20.21 | bsdnux_ | yes. no problem. |
| 00:20.34 | bsdnux_ | apart from the LOCALE warning i get all the time since installing squeeze |
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| 00:21.22 | Imran-UK | when you do "ldd <path to proftpd binary." are there any "not found" entries? |
| 00:21.50 | gimpy941 | I installed Debian Squeeze (LXDE) on KVM which is hosted by Debian Squeeze. When I clicked on lxterm it moved off the screen by itself and now the GUI is only somewhat responsive and Xorg (as well as lxpanel, xscreensaver, etc.) is using lots of CPU time. What could cause this? See http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=26382ag&s=5 |
| 00:22.02 | Imran-UK | bsdnux_, can't you fix the locale thing with dpkg-reconfigure -phigh locale? |
| 00:22.31 | simonlnu | 'locales' |
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| 00:22.44 | bsdnux_ | lmran-UK, no i can't, did it several times, but that's a bug i can live with |
| 00:22.56 | Imran-UK | *locales, thank you simonlnu |
| 00:23.08 | simonlnu | np. goes by package name :) |
| 00:23.20 | bsdnux_ | Unused direct dependencies: |
| 00:23.20 | bsdnux_ | |
| 00:23.21 | bsdnux_ | /usr/lib/libz.so.1 |
| 00:23.21 | bsdnux_ | /lib/libattr.so.1 |
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| 00:23.36 | bsdnux_ | sorry |
| 00:23.59 | bsdnux_ | that was the ldd output |
| 00:23.59 | Imran-UK | bsdnux_, best to use pastebin if >1 line |
| 00:24.03 | bsdnux_ | yeah, i forgot |
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| 00:25.56 | Imran-UK | bsdnux_, i dont have working debian virtualbox here. what does the bugzilla debian for proftpd say? |
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| 00:26.37 | Imran-UK | and are the proftpd config files the same between your working and non-working domU's? |
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| 00:27.59 | bsdnux_ | bugs don't say much... |
| 00:28.05 | bsdnux_ | yeah, they are exact copies |
| 00:28.33 | bsdnux_ | the only difference is that now they run in xen4 |
| 00:28.37 | bsdnux_ | on debian squeeze |
| 00:28.53 | Imran-UK | do the domU's all use the same kernel? |
| 00:29.02 | bsdnux_ | yes |
| 00:29.11 | bsdnux_ | same as dom0 too |
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| 00:30.08 | bsdnux_ | before they ran on xen 3.3.0 on some old non lts ubuntu with a debian xen kernel, domUs had same kernel as they have now |
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| 00:32.04 | Imran-UK | xen 3.3 would not be that old. lenny had xen 3.2 iirc |
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| 00:33.06 | bsdnux_ | i don't remember that bit, but any way the dom0 system was a bad choice either way. |
| 00:33.12 | Imran-UK | i have never heard of the 3.3 release in any debian-derived distro. what does cat /etc/lsb-release say in the ubuntu system |
| 00:34.26 | bsdnux_ | it's jaunty jackalope / 9.04, but that didn't have a xen kernel. i believe the xen kernel was pulled from a debian repo. |
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| 00:35.22 | Imran-UK | bsdnux_, in my experience there are some caveats you need to follow to make sure the domU works between major xen versions. the debian wiki has a xen page that details those. but in your scenarios its unusual |
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| 00:36.18 | bsdnux_ | hm yeah.. the domUs work fine otherwise (both pvm and hvm).. only proftpd doesn't behave… i'll try to set up a brand new domU and install proftpd to see what's going on |
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| 00:37.39 | Imran-UK | bsdnux_, my approach would be to see what diffs exists between working and non-working domU's |
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| 00:38.58 | bsdnux_ | well, the domUs are working, only proftpd does not. and there's not much chance for diffs as i simply rsynced the filesystems |
| 00:39.50 | bsdnux_ | cold rsync of course |
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| 00:41.04 | Imran-UK | bsdnux_, ok well then there is some xen voodoo at play perhaps, or a missing/corrupt library file. dunno. |
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| 00:41.52 | Imran-UK | i'd expect more than two lines from ldd output |
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| 00:42.22 | Imran-UK | does ldd on a working domU proftpd produce two lines? |
| 00:42.34 | bsdnux_ | ah, i guess that was blocked |
| 00:42.53 | bsdnux_ | hm |
| 00:43.36 | bsdnux_ | it's libz.so.1, libattr.so.1 and libssl.so.0.9.8 |
| 00:43.40 | raven | because of a mistake i deleted my /var folder and apt and dpkg now return errors because of /var/cache/.... - how to repair that? |
| 00:44.11 | Imran-UK | so libssl is missing on the 100% cpu proftpd domU? |
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| 00:45.02 | bsdnux_ | it's not missing, it's listed as unused direct dependency by ldd |
| 00:45.36 | bsdnux_ | all 2 of those libs exist |
| 00:45.38 | bsdnux_ | 3 |
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| 00:46.01 | Imran-UK | you pasted 2 before. does ldd on a working domU proftpd produce the same output? |
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| 00:47.28 | bsdnux_ | yes, it produces exactly the same output on the original domU |
| 00:47.55 | Imran-UK | raven, restore from last backup or install another debian system of same version and rsync -av /var across |
| 00:49.17 | bsdnux_ | when i start it using the debug flag it stops at - loading 'mod_quotatab_file.c' on the new one. the old one would continue with - loading 'mod_quotatab_radius.c' etc. |
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| 00:49.28 | Imran-UK | bsdnux_, not sure what to try next. i'd try an strace -f as some progs fork and reveal more about themselves that way. |
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| 00:50.45 | Imran-UK | good luck, i'm calling it a night |
| 00:50.58 | bsdnux_ | thanks |
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| 00:56.34 | lfs | I have a completely free Debian system setup here and from my research on Google I should be able to watch Youtube videos. |
| 00:56.46 | lfs | But Youtube videos don't work. |
| 00:57.50 | Agiofws | what is this supposed to mean |
| 00:57.53 | Agiofws | Requested 'xorg-server >= 1.7.0' but version of xorg-server is 1.4.2 |
| 00:58.07 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~/xf86-input-wacom$X -version |
| 00:58.07 | Agiofws | X.Org X Server 1.7.7 |
| 00:58.08 | Agiofws | Release Date: 2010-05-04 |
| 00:58.08 | Agiofws | ? |
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| 00:58.49 | lfs | I think maybe I need totem? |
| 00:58.52 | hikenboot | /etc/network/interfaces no longer controls ip address settings..this is evident because i have placed an address subnetmask and default gateway on eth0 but after rebooting or restarting networking it fails to put the address on this interface and adds default routes to do with bridging interfaces..How do i now manage the ip settings on interfaces ...anyone able to point me to a doc would be appreciated |
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| 00:59.39 | Agiofws | can anyone tell me what version my xorg-server is ? |
| 00:59.54 | Agiofws | do you find out with X -version ? |
| 01:00.12 | Agiofws | then i do have 1.7 but the stupid app says i have 1.4.2 ? |
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| 01:01.42 | nollidj | hikenboot: stupid question first: do you have anything like wicd or network-manager installed? |
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| 01:02.11 | Agiofws | can anyone tell me what version my xorg-server is ? |
| 01:02.34 | karlpinc | hikenboot: I've heard that network mananger does odd things, but bridging seems, uh, different. |
| 01:02.43 | Agiofws | configure: error: Package requirements (xorg-server >= 1.7.0 xproto xext kbproto inputproto randrproto) were not met: Requested 'xorg-server >= 1.7.0' but version of xorg-server is 1.4.2 |
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| 01:02.48 | lfs | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.14 | jelly-home | Agiofws: which command does that error come from. |
| 01:03.48 | hikenboot | nollidj: network manager is the gui interface is that right? |
| 01:03.59 | lfs | So is it Totem or gnash that plays video on Youtube? |
| 01:04.01 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~/xf86-input-wacom$X -version |
| 01:04.01 | Agiofws | X.Org X Server 1.7.7 |
| 01:04.11 | hikenboot | I am running proxmox and kvm |
| 01:04.22 | Agiofws | jelly, i'm trying to compile |
| 01:04.24 | nollidj | hikenboot: it's more than a gui. it is a whole system service for managing your network devices. |
| 01:04.28 | Agiofws | xf86-input-wacom |
| 01:04.29 | jelly-home | Agiofws: compile what? |
| 01:04.37 | hikenboot | nollidj should i have it installed? |
| 01:04.49 | jelly-home | ,versions xserver-xorg-input-wacom |
| 01:04.50 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-input-wacom on i386 -- lenny: 0.7.9.3-2; squeeze: 0.10.5+20100416-1; squeeze-backports: 0.10.10+20110203-1~bpo60+1; sid: 0.12.0-1; wheezy: 0.12.0-1 |
| 01:04.54 | nollidj | i usually rip it out by the roots on my systems |
| 01:05.00 | hikenboot | or should i remove it...is that what you are saying? |
| 01:05.06 | jelly-home | Agiofws: what's wrong with the one packaged? |
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| 01:05.34 | Agiofws | wacom device pen is offset IN gimp + inkscape etc ... |
| 01:05.36 | nollidj | i don't have a good enough understanding of your situation to recommend removing it or installing it yet. |
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| 01:05.52 | jelly-home | Agiofws: have you tried using the squeeze-backports version? |
| 01:06.02 | nollidj | you might lose wireless connectivity or something, and then you'd be off irc and probably a bit peeved |
| 01:06.39 | nollidj | you initially asked how network interfaces are controlled other than /etc/network/interfaces . network-manager and wicd are two services that do that which can override or overwrite settings in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:06.42 | hikenboot | I am trying to get eth0 to work normally with a connection to the internet and lan as usual but i would like to bridge eth1 and eth2 to virtual networks which the guests area attached to . |
| 01:07.03 | Agiofws | jelly, how do i get that ? |
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| 01:07.09 | hikenboot | ok nollidj I will see if those are installed |
| 01:07.18 | jelly-home | Agiofws: or finding a calibration tool of some sort perhaps. I've never worked with a pen tablet device. |
| 01:07.41 | nollidj | if you're using network-manager and find it gets in the way (as i often do), i recommend trying out wicd, which is a bit better ime at keeping its hands to itself |
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| 01:07.51 | jelly-home | Agiofws: /msg dpkg backports.debian.org |
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| 01:10.02 | jcrow | i don't know if the folks talkign to me about my webcam about an hour ago are still around, |
| 01:10.09 | Agiofws | ixus:/etc# apt-cache -t squeeze-backports search wacom |
| 01:10.10 | Agiofws | ? |
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| 01:10.22 | jcrow | but i'm thinking that supporting 'video' vs 'still picture' at 1280x1024 isn't the issue |
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| 01:11.17 | fragy | Hi. Is it possible to see dates when a system got started? |
| 01:11.29 | jcrow | to recap, a camera starts up and says it supports 1280x1024, this is an option in guvcview, and it looks like it supports it at two frame rates 2/15 and 1/5. |
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| 01:11.41 | nollidj | fragy: are you familiar with uptime? |
| 01:12.01 | jcrow | but testing the camera at that res just streams a message about "resource temporarily unavailable" and "timeout" |
| 01:12.10 | fragy | <nollidj>, yes, but I want dates from past boots |
| 01:12.20 | lstarnes | fragy: check /var/log/messages |
| 01:12.26 | lstarnes | or whatever the log file is |
| 01:12.31 | jcrow | i'm wondering if theres an irc room where ppl know a lot about webcams and such, i'm certainly lost |
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| 01:13.55 | NiLon | jcrow pages with webcams? :trollface |
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| 01:14.34 | jcrow | nilon, huh? pages with webcams? i don't know what you mean. |
| 01:14.49 | NiLon | porn sites? |
| 01:15.34 | jcrow | haha, ok. |
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| 01:17.39 | AuroraIsland | hello |
| 01:17.50 | AuroraIsland | Anyone here? |
| 01:18.00 | EricRaymond | hi |
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| 01:19.19 | jcrow | okay, when the webcam is recognized by guvcview it spits out 'checking format: 1448695129', does anyone know what that's about? |
| 01:19.21 | Agiofws | Removing fglrx-control ... |
| 01:19.22 | Agiofws | Removing fglrx-glx ... |
| 01:19.28 | Agiofws | THANKYOU :P |
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| 01:21.07 | nollidj | jcrow: what version of gucview? |
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| 01:25.25 | jcrow | nollidj, guvcview 1.1.3 |
| 01:26.00 | jcrow | but all software using the camera is exhibiting the same bbehaviour (tested on two computers one running debian the other running ubuntu 11) |
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| 01:26.30 | jcrow | the behaviour is that the software using the camera shows 1280x1024 as a possible resolution, but selecting that resolution doesn't get you any images |
| 01:26.59 | jcrow | and software that is run from the terminal starts sayin g"couldn't get frame (timeout); resource temp unavailable |
| 01:27.15 | simonlnu | yeh, there's 1152 people and bots in here, there a lot of 'anyone's... |
| 01:27.16 | nollidj | jcrow: i'm checking the source to see if anything obvious jumps out |
| 01:27.23 | simonlnu | hates that |
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| 01:28.33 | jcrow | nollidj, you're checking the source for guvcview? and what is it that simonlnu hates? |
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| 01:29.06 | simonlnu | jcrow: no. <nick>hi <nick>anyone here? |
| 01:29.08 | hikenboot | ok i am a little confused which branch is considered stable, which is testing, and which is unstable...where can i find this information that is current |
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| 01:29.16 | simonlnu | then they /part or /quit |
| 01:29.29 | jcrow | i get the same behaviour with cheese and also with the program 'webcam' which just grabs an image from the camera and saves it somewhere, |
| 01:29.36 | nollidj | jcrow: i'm checking the guvcview source, yes |
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| 01:30.06 | simonlnu | hikenboot: squeeze stable; wheezy testing (next release); sid unstable, will never be released |
| 01:30.09 | Juv1228 | hikenboot, squeeze, wheezy sid |
| 01:30.15 | jcrow | 'webcam' doesn't get me any info on the issue, it just fails to save an image at that resolution. cheese and guvcview, when run in the terminal, both give me messages to stderr |
| 01:30.44 | jcrow | in fact, the message is word-for-word identical, so i guess it's a system response, prolly not coming directly from either program. |
| 01:30.46 | nollidj | well, fwiw, the print statement you report appears to be in the function init_v4l2, and it's printing something that represents the video format or somesuch thing |
| 01:31.11 | nollidj | so i'm guessing your issue is with the v4l2 uvc driver |
| 01:31.16 | jcrow | aha, yeah, the 'checking format' line? |
| 01:31.17 | nollidj | i will poke at it a bit more |
| 01:31.18 | nollidj | yes |
| 01:31.22 | simonlnu | the kernel driver and device. v4l1 and v4l2 - v4l1 was removed fairly recently |
| 01:31.26 | hikenboot | thanks did that just recently change? |
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| 01:31.42 | jcrow | you're right, that line gets printed just after the a bunch of info about suppored resolutions. |
| 01:31.47 | DasEi | I installed some ddr3 today, when I tried to run memtest86 on it, it send back to grub's menu with an error code : too small lower memory and some 4 digit numbers, googling just a second, found it at launchpad and haven't so far not tried another medium, another occasion today apt-cache returned me a segmentation-fault, is memtest buggy at this time ? |
| 01:32.09 | DasEi | have not tried* |
| 01:32.16 | simonlnu | nollidj: you used to come here a lot, didn't you? |
| 01:32.35 | EricRaymond | dasei - what does the regular memtest do |
| 01:32.35 | nollidj | simonlnu: i would not say i come here frequently |
| 01:32.42 | jcrow | that particular number is one that i can't really interpret, the other info seems readily understandable. |
| 01:32.52 | nollidj | i idle a fair bit, and i've been coming here on and off for a while |
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| 01:33.08 | simonlnu | DasEi: check that's it's well inserted, and try switching them around |
| 01:33.25 | DasEi | EricRaymond: it won't come up, it leaves grub-menu to display just these low memory message, esc brings me back to grub, like, second.. |
| 01:33.28 | EricRaymond | if your memory is totally messed up memtest will crash |
| 01:33.34 | simonlnu | nollidj: yeh, that's where.. seen your nick fly by on occasion |
| 01:33.53 | simonlnu | if it even works |
| 01:33.54 | nollidj | i've been coming here since 2002 or so, probably |
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| 01:34.09 | hikenboot | this is good news because i have hopes that the packages for wheezy supports at least two features that i need.. |
| 01:34.25 | DasEi | EricRaymond: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=549429 << exact message, not my bug, but similar |
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| 01:34.56 | hikenboot | network-manager support of bridges...and open-iscsi supporting cluster disks |
| 01:34.57 | jcrow | i don't know if it helps, this is my camera: Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0ac8:3420 Z-Star Microelectronics Corp. |
| 01:35.53 | jcrow | do you know if uvc driver supports all resolutions? |
| 01:36.10 | simonlnu | nollidj: same here, march or april '02 |
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| 01:38.18 | crosswalk | Can anyone tell me the difference between a symlink and a hard link? I'm missing something reading this book. |
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| 01:39.04 | nollidj | crosswalk: hard link is an entry in the filesystem pointing to the same data. symlink is an entry pointing to another file. |
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| 01:39.43 | nollidj | jcrow: i'm afraid i'm not much of an expert on camera drivers. your question piqued my curiosity about the innards of guvcview |
| 01:39.55 | crosswalk | nollidj: So is a hard link just a copy of a file then? |
| 01:40.24 | SSigSeg | no its a copy of the descriptor |
| 01:40.32 | jcrow | well, thanks for looking nollidj. i'm obv no expert either! |
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| 01:41.09 | jcrow | i'm thinking that either uvcvideo doesn't support 1280x1024 in general, or else there's a problem with this particular hardware. |
| 01:41.15 | ideasman_42 | hi, how would I go about getting involved in the `team` of a spesific package? |
| 01:41.17 | jcrow | but i'm not really finding much info. |
| 01:41.49 | nollidj | jcrow: that seems likely |
| 01:41.57 | SSigSeg | ideasman_42: probably by sending an email to someone in the team, sourceforge for instance |
| 01:42.09 | ideasman_42 | sourceforge? |
| 01:42.13 | ideasman_42 | hows that debian |
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| 01:42.21 | SSigSeg | oh didn't know you meant debian team lol |
| 01:42.32 | ideasman_42 | yes, Im from upstream alreadt |
| 01:42.35 | ideasman_42 | already+ |
| 01:42.48 | ideasman_42 | so I just like to see better packages of our app |
| 01:42.56 | karlpinc | ideasman_42: You might want to check #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 01:43.18 | Lns | I'm having a memory leak issue in a debian squeeze armel package (ices2 2.0.1-8) that isn't experienced on i386 (same version), but running the same config. I'm trying to narrow my issue down as much as possible.. is there a possibility that the arm package specifically has a memory leak? |
| 01:43.20 | karlpinc | ideasman_42: Otherwise, packages.debian.org has contact info for each package. |
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| 01:43.46 | karlpinc | Lns: Sure. |
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| 01:44.58 | Lns | karlpinc, do you think I should contact the ices package maintainer about it, or should I contact the debian armel team? |
| 01:45.34 | crosswalk | So I can show the diagram that's confusing me about links, can someone tell me how to paste text into xterm? Control-V isn't working. =/ |
| 01:46.01 | SSigSeg | middle mouse button works wonders |
| 01:46.05 | DasEi | EricRaymond: phoronix is running on it, I'll try another livesystem later |
| 01:46.20 | crosswalk | SSigSeg: I don't have a mouse, unfortunately. |
| 01:46.31 | nollidj | crosswalk: maybe http://pastebin.com/t3xdBL3w helps illustrate |
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| 01:47.34 | nollidj | crosswalk: depending on the terminal emulator you're using, ctrl-shift-v might work. otherwise, try highlighting what you want to paste and then middle-clicking in the terminal window |
| 01:47.47 | nollidj | ah, that's redundant. sorry |
| 01:48.10 | ideasman_42 | So if I have a package URL, there is an email, should I just mail the person? - or is there some way I can mail a group of prople assosiated with that area |
| 01:48.12 | ideasman_42 | ? |
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| 01:48.31 | crosswalk | nollidj: I'm running irssi through xterm right now. |
| 01:48.33 | ideasman_42 | since I had bad experience before mailing direct with maintainers who were too busy |
| 01:49.06 | SSigSeg | a sym link is like a windows shortcut... a hard link is like the same file, but it can be referred to in two places |
| 01:49.07 | candle_ | @hello |
| 01:49.17 | candle_ | i have a serious problem |
| 01:49.34 | SSigSeg | in two or more* |
| 01:50.12 | jcrow | q |
| 01:50.39 | lstarnes | SSigSeg: except old windows shortcuts were basically a regular file that explorer interpreted differently |
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| 01:51.11 | candle_ | i was told to install wacom-xorg driver from barckports that upgraded xorg ... when i tried to reboot and started X my machine would crash so i tried via command line to remove the nw updated xorg ... but for now i can't install anything from xorg back due to unmet dependancies can ANYONE please help ? |
| 01:51.38 | gnarface | candle_: using the nvidia binary driver? |
| 01:52.27 | candle_ | no |
| 01:52.37 | gnarface | candle_: no ideas then, sorry |
| 01:52.41 | candle_ | i'm using the fglrx ati binary driver |
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| 01:53.02 | candle_ | how can i revert back ? |
| 01:53.24 | gnarface | i dunno that either |
| 01:53.25 | candle_ | xserver-xorg : Depends: xserver-xorg-input-all but it is not going to be installed or |
| 01:53.29 | candle_ | for example |
| 01:53.58 | gnarface | i'm not sure you can go back |
| 01:54.05 | gnarface | except by restoring from backup |
| 01:54.13 | candle_ | well how can i fix this ? |
| 01:54.15 | gnarface | but maybe if you dpkg --purge all your xorg packages |
| 01:54.36 | candle_ | al, |
| 01:54.38 | gnarface | then change your apt sources back and then install the version of xorg you were using that worked again |
| 01:54.50 | gnarface | have you tried it? |
| 01:54.52 | nollidj | candle_: it might also help to pastebin what apt and dpkg are telling you |
| 01:55.06 | candle_ | ok |
| 01:55.26 | clerkent | is fluxbox an apt-get install from a gnome DE ? |
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| 01:58.07 | Benkinooby | clerkent, fluxbox is a window manager. it's a gui, but has not all the feature like a desktop environment as gnome or kde are. anyway, you just can install it no mathr what gui you are using right now |
| 01:58.23 | Benkinooby | !fluxbox |
| 01:58.23 | dpkg | well, fluxbox is an X window manager forked from <Blackbox> 0.61.1, or Blackbox the featureless wonder with some added features. To install, ask me about <install x>, then: aptitude install fluxbox . http://wiki.debian.org/FluxBox http://fluxbox-wiki.org/?title=Faqs http://fluxbox.org/ #fluxbox on irc.freenode.net. |
| 01:58.25 | DasEi | clerkent: n, it's another X11 windowmangaer, for more info go their project page |
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| 01:59.30 | clerkent | thanks , |
| 01:59.49 | candle_ | nollidj: gnarface http://codepad.org/Le3P6G8X can you take a look please |
| 02:00.00 | gimpy941 | I installed Debian Squeeze (LXDE) on KVM which is hosted by Debian Squeeze. When I clicked on lxterm it moved off the screen by itself and now the GUI is only somewhat responsive and Xorg (as well as lxpanel, xscreensaver, etc.) is using lots of CPU time. What could cause this? See http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=26382ag&s=5 |
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| 02:00.13 | crosswalk | nollidj: So it looks like the main difference between a hard and symlink is that a hard link shares the same inode as the original file and the symlink has a completely different one. Is that a correct observation? |
| 02:00.42 | candle_ | l |
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| 02:01.30 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... i write this line in fstab '/dev/sda3 /media/Main ext4 uid=1000 0 0' ..but the partition isn't mounted on startup ... anyhelp ? |
| 02:02.05 | gimpy941 | cobra-the-joker: Does /var/log/mesages show any error on bootup? |
| 02:02.11 | lstarnes | cobra-the-joker: you forgot auto in the options, I think |
| 02:02.20 | gnarface | candle_: looks grim |
| 02:02.21 | gimpy941 | cobra-the-joker: Sorry, /var/log/messages |
| 02:02.28 | Benkinooby | clerkent, if you have questions on fluxbox go to the channel #fluxbox or ask me (i'm a fluxbox user) |
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| 02:02.43 | cobra-the-joker | gimpy941, ok |
| 02:02.45 | candle_ | gnarface: apt-get purge xorg ? |
| 02:02.46 | candle_ | ? |
| 02:02.49 | nollidj | crosswalk: sounds like you've got it. if you have a pair of hardlinks handy, check out ls -i |
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| 02:03.00 | pumafyre | hello all |
| 02:03.16 | pumafyre | I'm wondering how to burn an iso of a linux distro to a dvd |
| 02:03.30 | DasEi | cobra-the-joker: /media/Main exists, no typo as in capital/small letters ? manual mount works ? |
| 02:03.31 | gnarface | candle_: uh... that might work... you might have to purge each of the xorg packages individually too though |
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| 02:03.51 | gnarface | candle_: note, purge will delete the config files as well |
| 02:03.53 | nollidj | candle_: might be worth trying out just apt-get remove xserver-xorg and see what that does |
| 02:04.25 | cobra-the-joker | DasEi, yes ... it worked with 'defaults' option in fstab ... but i dont have any access on the partition ... so i need uid=1000 option but it is not working for some reason |
| 02:04.57 | DasEi | cobra-the-joker: try to own the mountdir correctly |
| 02:05.35 | candle_ | nollidj: i did that |
| 02:05.52 | candle_ | nollidj: but when i tried to install back it just wont |
| 02:05.53 | DasEi | cobra-the-joker: like chown -R cobra-the-joker /media/Main |
| 02:05.55 | cobra-the-joker | DasEi, i always did it like this on ntfs-3g file system ... chown the directory doesnt change anything .. i dont have access on the physical partition |
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| 02:05.59 | Emis | Curiously, what do most American thinks about a fraud like Cortzine having over 300 million bucks? |
| 02:06.19 | gnarface | Emis: that is off topic |
| 02:06.23 | DasEi | cobra-the-joker: is it mounted or just access ? (mount tells you) |
| 02:07.07 | cobra-the-joker | DasEi, not mounted on startup .. i can still mount it by mount command .. but again without options ! |
| 02:08.22 | cobra-the-joker | what i am looking at exactly in /var/log/messages ... its huge and cant find anything related to fstab or /dev/sda3 |
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| 02:09.27 | candle_ | gnarface: nollidj http://codepad.org/rCM2weCP ? |
| 02:09.34 | candle_ | if anyone could help ? |
| 02:10.07 | candle_ | i can't install xorg via apt |
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| 02:10.15 | candle_ | maybe aptitude ? |
| 02:10.17 | gimpy941 | cobra-the-joker: Find where the messages start about your computer booting and then just read them. Find where it a line that is an error when trying to mount the disk. |
| 02:10.24 | gnarface | candle_: you could also try dpkg --purge instead |
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| 02:11.20 | gnarface | candle_: or you could try purging the other package first (the one /usr/lib/mesa-diverted/libGL.so.1.2 is in) ... but i'm just guessing again |
| 02:11.33 | DasEi | cobra-the-joker: try adding users,auto,uid=1000 , if all other syntax is right, and try dmesg|tail right after boot to see most recent messsages |
| 02:12.21 | candle_ | i did try dpkg --purge but still |
| 02:12.48 | candle_ | which package has libGL.so.1.2 in gnarface ? |
| 02:12.57 | DasEi | cobra-the-joker: you can cat-grep huge logs like : cat /var/log/messages | grep error |
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| 02:13.08 | EricRaymond | couldn't he just grep it? |
| 02:13.20 | gimpy941 | DasEi: ..or skip the cat and just grep it |
| 02:13.26 | gnarface | candle_: there may be more than one actually. you will have to search . you can use apt-file to search or you can use dpkg -S |
| 02:14.19 | candle_ | error processing glx-diversions (--remove): subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 2 |
| 02:14.56 | candle_ | no such executable |
| 02:15.14 | simonlnu | !uuoc DasEi |
| 02:15.15 | dpkg | hands DasEi the "useless use of cat" award |
| 02:15.57 | DasEi | miau |
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| 02:16.06 | gnarface | candle_: what i usually do is just find a different order to remove the packages |
| 02:16.18 | clerkent | Benkinooby: So installing fluxbox is an apt-get install with session option at login I am guessing ? |
| 02:16.28 | cobra-the-joker | DasEi, dmesg | tail -> [ 111.489316] EXT4-fs (sda3): Unrecognized mount option "uid=1000" or missing value |
| 02:16.54 | DasEi | cobra-the-joker: pastebinit fstab |
| 02:17.04 | simonlnu | ext4 doesn't support uid i guess ;). man mount |
| 02:17.17 | cobra-the-joker | oops ... ntfs did i think |
| 02:17.30 | simonlnu | it does |
| 02:17.34 | cobra-the-joker | DasEi, pastebin all of fstab ? |
| 02:17.46 | nollidj | candle_: did you modify your apt sources at all as a part of getting into the situation you're in now? |
| 02:18.06 | DasEi | cobra-the-joker: apt-get install pastebinit && pastebinit /etc/fstab |
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| 02:18.47 | EricRaymond | oh my god, who here can't stand the new uuid thing in fstab |
| 02:18.52 | EricRaymond | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.06 | gnarface | hah |
| 02:19.06 | simonlnu | take to #debian-offtopic |
| 02:19.11 | gnarface | raises his hand |
| 02:19.16 | simonlnu | it to* |
| 02:19.18 | DasEi | EricRaymond: me, as often swapping drives |
| 02:19.35 | clerkent | cant you just name them ? |
| 02:19.41 | cobra-the-joker | DasEi, http://pastebin.com/fMeeVYbf |
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| 02:19.58 | simonlnu | LABEL= |
| 02:20.06 | clerkent | the drives, and ignore the uuid's ? |
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| 02:20.25 | clerkent | Labe in gparted |
| 02:20.32 | Mandor | Running lenny. |
| 02:20.33 | gnarface | then you need to give every freaking partition a name. my partitions didn't need names before |
| 02:20.40 | Benkinooby | clerkent, yes |
| 02:20.42 | gnarface | what next, social security? |
| 02:20.42 | dax | How dare they introduce an optional method of uniquely identifying your filesystems that you can change back to the old way with two minutes of work. Those fiends. |
| 02:20.57 | clerkent | Its fun with names |
| 02:20.57 | simonlnu | gnarface: yeh, plus a driver's license |
| 02:21.24 | simonlnu | dax: OMGWTFBBQ |
| 02:21.45 | candle_ | nollidj: yes i did |
| 02:21.50 | DasEi | cobra-the-joker: EricRaymond was right, ext doesn't support uid, that's ntfs, use chown or chmod |
| 02:21.53 | candle_ | i was told to |
| 02:22.04 | Mandor | Had a couple of instances under lenny lately where one of my X11s stopped accepting keyboard input. Not even control-alt-f1 worked. But remote login + chvt to a different TTY, including one with X11, and all was good. |
| 02:22.08 | cobra-the-joker | DasEi, ok |
| 02:22.18 | cobra-the-joker | so chown -R /media/Main ? |
| 02:22.22 | simonlnu | *cough* |
| 02:22.22 | Mandor | chvt back and the tty + X11 didn't accept keyboard. |
| 02:22.31 | nollidj | candle_: you might be well served by removing the offending packages, reverting your apt sources, apt-get -f install, and then apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 02:22.42 | nollidj | ah, and apt-get update after reverting your apt sources |
| 02:22.44 | Mandor | Kill X11 and the problem went away, but later came back. |
| 02:22.56 | DasEi | cobra-the-joker: o chown -R cobra-the-joker /media/Main, or whatever user |
| 02:22.59 | simonlnu | Mandor: it's probably that crazy udev stuff |
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| 02:23.11 | cobra-the-joker | DasEi, ok thanx |
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| 02:23.38 | Mandor | simonlnu: any recommendations on how to fix or reset it? Preferably without killing my (running) x11? |
| 02:23.46 | simonlnu | Mandor: when evdev + udev don't see the input devices, xorg will unload the drivers from having been told to do that |
| 02:23.59 | DasEi | cobra-the-joker: good to look thinks up here, too, bench roasting in background |
| 02:24.10 | simonlnu | Mandor: switch it to manual. add in sections for those devices |
| 02:24.10 | Mandor | simonlnu: /etc/init.d/udev restart didn't help. |
| 02:24.18 | simonlnu | Mandor: it won't |
| 02:24.35 | cobra-the-joker | :) |
| 02:24.39 | hikenboot | could someone give me a link to the wheezy netinstaller the offical one not the one with sid installer..since it hangs? |
| 02:24.44 | candle_ | nollidj: i did that also |
| 02:24.58 | simonlnu | you could try udevadm trigger, but i doubt that'll work (i think i tried that). only way is to restart x when it does that. |
| 02:25.00 | candle_ | i'm trying to fox things now with aptitude ? |
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| 02:25.07 | molavy | hi |
| 02:25.07 | simonlnu | oh wait, lenny |
| 02:25.17 | Mandor | simonlnu: where do I change what to manual? Don't see anything about udev in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Am I looking in the wrong place? |
| 02:25.29 | candle_ | maybe thats even more of a risk |
| 02:25.36 | simonlnu | shoot, don't remember the lenny version of that command off hand |
| 02:25.44 | molavy | why in preference in remote desktop there is no advance tab, |
| 02:25.47 | candle_ | i can tell that apt-get is not synchronized with aptitude ? |
| 02:25.50 | simonlnu | Mandor: udev won't be mentioned... |
| 02:26.01 | molavy | i what access server from web |
| 02:26.07 | nollidj | candle_: that doesn't entirely make sense. try running 'aptitude update', if you're worried |
| 02:26.21 | simonlnu | Mandor: wait, you sure this is lenny? |
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| 02:26.26 | nollidj | candle_: aptitude isn't a bad to proceed. it is a bit of a risk, but, as long as your sources are fixed and you've removed the offending packages, you should be alright |
| 02:26.40 | Mandor | simonlnu: # cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:26.40 | Mandor | 5.0.9 |
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| 02:27.15 | diverdude | Is my httpd.conf supposed to be completely empty? |
| 02:27.18 | simonlnu | Mandor: ok, ignore what i said |
| 02:27.41 | Mandor | simonlnu: OK. :) |
| 02:27.43 | simonlnu | Mandor: also, why haven't you upgraded yet? :P |
| 02:27.59 | Mandor | simonlnu: operational sysems at work. We don't upgrade casually. |
| 02:28.10 | molavy | another question, |
| 02:28.16 | simonlnu | of course, but lenny is going out very soon |
| 02:28.25 | molavy | i just install debian 6.3 |
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| 02:28.29 | Mandor | Not to worry, we'll upgrade soon. |
| 02:28.35 | simonlnu | Mandor: are there any devices in xorg.conf at all? |
| 02:28.47 | simonlnu | pointer, keyboard |
| 02:28.54 | hikenboot | am i to take it the only netinstaller for wheezy is the one that uses sid's installer? |
| 02:29.00 | boudiccas | molavy; thats pretty good! seeing as debian is only up to 6.0.3! |
| 02:29.05 | molavy | i access web but in gnome networkmanager have discounnect mark beside network |
| 02:29.14 | Mandor | simonlnu: yes, an InputDevice for each. |
| 02:29.29 | molavy | ya ,obviously 6.0.3 |
| 02:29.33 | simonlnu | Mandor: dmesg and syslog not giving any clues? |
| 02:29.34 | Mandor | Er, and custom nvidia drivers. Which hopefully aren't the cause of the problem. . . |
| 02:29.55 | Mandor | simonlnu: nope. |
| 02:29.59 | simonlnu | good question, i woouldn't know. you could try running one on nv to see |
| 02:30.00 | hikenboot | never mind i found it a bunch of the links to it are dead |
| 02:30.19 | DasEi | molavy: /etc/network/interfaces overrrides NM |
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| 02:30.48 | Mandor | simonlnu: nor anything useful in Xorg.1.log. |
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| 02:31.17 | simonlnu | ok |
| 02:31.25 | hikenboot | DasEi: it doesnt appear to be the case I have had serious problems with it not reading the /etc/network/interfaces but it might be because i am using proxmox which is interfering with it |
| 02:31.27 | boudiccas | what program in squeeze allows you to download from a 'magnet' link please? |
| 02:32.03 | skilz | Hey I have a usb dongle, fat32 I think and it has locked files on it I can't cparted delete it, how can I erase it? |
| 02:32.08 | DasEi | boudiccas: torrent ? a torrent app |
| 02:32.17 | molavy | there is no interfaces in /etc/network/ |
| 02:32.23 | molavy | it just has if-down.d/ if-post-down.d/ if-pre-up.d/ if-up.d/ run/ |
| 02:32.46 | skilz | sorry gparted |
| 02:32.46 | boudiccas | DasEi; transmission, the default torrent client, doesn't recognise it |
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| 02:33.43 | molavy | no idea? |
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| 02:34.14 | hikenboot | also from what i understand there is support in network manager for bridging that maybe be in testing now but is definately in sid |
| 02:34.16 | candle_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:35.15 | skilz | apparently there is files in the .trash folder that are locked and I can't delete them to free space |
| 02:35.18 | DasEi | boudiccas: should sine januar; I use vuze which works fine |
| 02:35.33 | boudiccas | ty |
| 02:37.24 | DasEi | boudiccas: 2.03 shows my squeeze apt. site is saying there since 1.8 |
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| 02:38.04 | molavy | when i click on network manger icon this message appear : wired network device not managed debian |
| 02:38.29 | boudiccas | DasEi; sorry? i dont understand you |
| 02:38.30 | molavy | without debian and end |
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| 02:39.27 | DasEi | boudiccas: transmissions website says magnetlinks are supported since version 1.8, apt on debian squeeze shows current TM as 2.03 |
| 02:40.03 | boudiccas | DasEi; ah right, thanksd |
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| 02:43.23 | leefan | if i backup my entire linux partition to an image file, can i restore it later on without any problems? |
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| 02:44.02 | DasEi | leefan: yes, by dd |
| 02:44.08 | leefan | great |
| 02:45.10 | gnarface | well |
| 02:45.22 | gnarface | no problems other than the fact its gonna take a long ass time |
| 02:45.39 | gnarface | don't do that on battery poewr |
| 02:45.45 | diverdude | why is /etc/apache2/sites-available/default not listed in apaches mod_info ? |
| 02:45.47 | gnarface | especially if you have both drives on the same ide bus |
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| 02:50.44 | JaredKz | how would I go about executing a vboxheadless command in my ~/.profile ? |
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| 02:53.04 | skilz | Hey I have a usb dongle, fat32 I think and it has locked files on it I can't gparted delete it, how can I erase it? |
| 02:53.25 | gnarface | you can't gparted delete it?! |
| 02:53.29 | gnarface | are you root? |
| 02:53.34 | candle_ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: xserver-xorg : Depends: xserver-xorg-input-all but it is not going to be installed or |
| 02:53.40 | skilz | apparently there is files in the .trash folder that are locked and I can't delete them to free space |
| 02:53.48 | candle_ | can anyone please help me instal xorg ... |
| 02:53.49 | DasEi | skilz: dongle mouted while in gparted ? |
| 02:54.15 | gnarface | skilz: check the stick for a physical switch. these things often have a read-only switch |
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| 02:54.44 | gnarface | skilz: yea like DasEi says, also make sure you aren't *in* the partition and that its not mounted, first |
| 02:56.11 | DasEi | candle_: I can try: become root, then : apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg --dry-run , take a look ....what WOULD be deleted first hand, then apt-get install xserver-xorg, mind you might miss stuff still |
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| 02:56.18 | candle_ | http://codepad.org/E65dfeIQ <---- can anyone please take a look at this dependancy problem ? i can't get into X at all |
| 02:56.49 | candle_ | DasEi: can you take a look at the link ? |
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| 02:57.29 | DasEi | candle_: did earlier this night |
| 02:57.49 | DasEi | candle_: I can try: become root, then : apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg --dry-run , look |
| 02:58.03 | candle_ | ok |
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| 02:58.30 | candle_ | looked |
| 02:58.43 | candle_ | The following packages will be REMOVED: xserver-xorg* |
| 02:58.47 | candle_ | now ? |
| 02:58.51 | DasEi | candle_: any special situation like a borked sources list after distro upgrade or such ? |
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| 02:59.58 | DasEi | candle_: how did this occur ? |
| 03:00.04 | candle_ | DasEi: i was trying to install a wacom-xorg driver from backports that UPgraded about everything in X when i rebooted my system would crash trying to login X |
| 03:00.21 | candle_ | then i tried to UNinstall xorg ... |
| 03:00.36 | candle_ | then i got dependancy problems |
| 03:00.48 | DasEi | candle_: ah yes, so first disabling backports again would be usefull then |
| 03:01.14 | candle_ | i have changed my sources back to normal |
| 03:01.33 | DasEi | candle_: nano /etc/apt/sources.list, ah fine, well, let's try : |
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| 03:01.58 | DasEi | candle_:apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg -y |
| 03:02.42 | DasEi | candle_: apt-get install xserver-xorg |
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| 03:04.32 | candle_ | DasEi: did that |
| 03:04.42 | candle_ | i get the same message i posted above |
| 03:04.50 | DasEi | candle_: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 03:04.54 | DasEi | ah |
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| 03:06.06 | DasEi | candle_: apt-get remove xserver-xorg-input-7 --dry-run , will it just be that package ? |
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| 03:07.15 | JaredKz | how would I go about writing a command for my ~/.profile ? |
| 03:07.23 | lstarnes | JaredKz: just add it |
| 03:07.35 | lstarnes | using a text editor |
| 03:07.51 | candle_ | Virtual packages like 'xserver-xorg-input-7' can't be removed |
| 03:07.52 | candle_ | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 621 not upgraded. |
| 03:07.52 | JaredKz | they seem to be in if fi containers.. |
| 03:07.53 | lstarnes | but think about whether you really want it to run every time you log in even if you are logged in already |
| 03:08.07 | DasEi | candle_: virtual one, try : apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg-input-wacom --dry-run |
| 03:08.09 | lstarnes | if/fi is just an if/then/else block |
| 03:08.18 | candle_ | DasEi: http://codepad.org/hYY4v61V |
| 03:08.44 | JaredKz | lstarnes, oh ok, it's just running a headless server which auto-logs on when I start the compute |
| 03:08.51 | candle_ | The following packages will be REMOVED: xserver-xorg-input-wacom* |
| 03:08.55 | lstarnes | JaredKz: you should use /etc/rc.local |
| 03:09.04 | lstarnes | or crontab or a new script in /etc/rc.d |
| 03:09.19 | simonlnu | s,rc.d,init.d, |
| 03:09.47 | lstarnes | oh right |
| 03:09.54 | lstarnes | freudian slip |
| 03:09.56 | DasEi | candle_: huuh, many foreigis' line 16 even backports, maybe should use a clean default one, until apt is fine again |
| 03:09.58 | simonlnu | ;). ya old fart hehe |
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| 03:10.30 | simonlnu | even rh does init.d IIRC, now |
| 03:10.32 | candle_ | ok what should use in source file ? |
| 03:12.22 | DasEi | candle_: for now (back old one up) : http://pastebin.com/fRW7c2zd |
| 03:12.36 | DasEi | say when there |
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| 03:15.45 | candle_ | DasEi: apt-get update ? |
| 03:15.53 | DasEi | candle_: virtual one, try : apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg-input-wacom --dry-run , looks not like an atomic catastroph ? then repeat without --dry-run at the end |
| 03:16.26 | candle_ | DasEi: i changed my source file |
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| 03:16.32 | candle_ | should i run update ? |
| 03:16.57 | DasEi | candle_: save new sources, try to get rid of that causing wacom package |
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| 03:17.25 | DasEi | candle_: apt-gert update, oc , to re-read sources |
| 03:17.31 | DasEi | apt-get |
| 03:17.37 | candle_ | DasEi: it removed it ... |
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| 03:18.09 | DasEi | candle_: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 03:18.27 | skilz | Is there anyway to setup my computer so it wont boot unless I have a usb dongle inserted with a special file that allows the system to boot (think of it like a key). |
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| 03:18.59 | candle_ | DasEi: can i leave the upgrade ? i'm afraid of it ? |
| 03:19.04 | skilz | so if the laptop is stollen even if my password is cracked, they still need the key (usb dongle) |
| 03:19.52 | DasEi | candle_: why are you now if no errors ? |
| 03:20.00 | candle_ | 425 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 199 not upgraded. |
| 03:20.01 | candle_ | Need to get 720 MB of archives. |
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| 03:21.48 | DasEi | candle_: let's have a coffee, looks promising |
| 03:21.52 | candle_ | DasEi: http://codepad.org/7FUulXOn i upadted and tried to install and still get this message http://codepad.org/7FUulXOn |
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| 03:22.41 | DasEi | candle_: .... |
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| 03:23.14 | DasEi | skilz: never tried that myself, 2 factor auth is what you want, http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8338 |
| 03:24.41 | candle_ | DasEi: look at this output of aptitude http://codepad.org/kya4jE0q maybe it tells you more ? |
| 03:24.47 | DasEi | candle_: the debian-repos are mostly in order, so either you get right versions from your repos back or we got to fiddle which deb brought that harming virtual one in there, and even then you need a stable system |
| 03:25.48 | DasEi | why now aptitude ? I try to repair apt ? |
| 03:26.20 | candle_ | DasEi: ok i continued with aptitude and its Downgrading |
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| 03:26.45 | DasEi | lol, I'll fetch me a tea |
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| 03:27.35 | candle_ | if i get this fixed i will UPgrade certainly in the future |
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| 03:47.40 | lfs | I can't get video to play on iceweasel Squeeze |
| 03:48.14 | lfs | On Google on several sites it says that video should play on Squeeze without using flash |
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| 03:49.14 | NiLon | flash can't work without flash, but most likely it said that inceweasel includes it |
| 03:50.08 | lfs | Video will work without flash |
| 03:50.32 | lfs | Specifically Youtube videos |
| 03:50.34 | EricRaymond | is this for youtube? |
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| 03:50.47 | EricRaymond | you can set youtube to do html5 which uses webm |
| 03:51.02 | lfs | How to do that? |
| 03:51.26 | Agiofws | DasEi, Hey ... i fixed (WE) it |
| 03:51.34 | Agiofws | its candle_ |
| 03:51.35 | lfs | I think iceweasel is supposed to do that automatically |
| 03:51.46 | DasEi | Agiofws: mr candle ? nice |
| 03:51.51 | EricRaymond | http://www.youtube.com/html5 |
| 03:51.59 | EricRaymond | check that page out, seems to detect it and explain it quite wel |
| 03:51.59 | EricRaymond | l |
| 03:52.16 | Agiofws | but i'll have tp upgrade some time ... |
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| 03:53.34 | NiLon | lfs well "video" do work without flash yes, but flash player that youtube uses by default doesn't work without flash |
| 03:54.08 | EricRaymond | ifs, opt in for html5 and you'll get to see videos |
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| 03:55.27 | lfs | So you have to register? |
| 03:55.32 | EricRaymond | hm,not sure |
| 03:55.44 | EricRaymond | flash is a better player with youtube :D |
| 03:55.58 | lfs | I want to keep my Debian open and free |
| 03:56.04 | EricRaymond | that's the spirit |
| 03:56.08 | EricRaymond | me and stallman have the same view |
| 03:56.39 | EricRaymond | http://www.youtube.com/html5# this link seems to opt you in |
| 03:56.39 | EricRaymond | try it |
| 03:57.03 | DasEi | NiLon: I found some days ago that on lubuntu the usual flashplugin-installer refused YT, but the adobe-flashplayer did well |
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| 03:57.44 | freenodiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.52 | freenodiz | python? |
| 03:58.00 | freenodiz | or c++ |
| 03:58.02 | freenodiz | ? |
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| 03:58.10 | EricRaymond | php,python,perl~ |
| 03:58.16 | EricRaymond | doubt it's c++ on the backend |
| 03:58.45 | freenodiz | i see.... |
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| 03:59.20 | freenodiz | would i be able to write such app in ruby + jquery? |
| 04:00.07 | lstarnes | you'd still need javascript |
| 04:00.27 | EricRaymond | web development is tricky |
| 04:00.33 | freenodiz | ahh,so javascript is the key...to render the nice GUI items? |
| 04:00.38 | lstarnes | the application itself appears to ne flasg |
| 04:00.40 | lstarnes | *be |
| 04:00.47 | lstarnes | freenodiz: the actual GUI is HTML and CSS |
| 04:00.49 | ChrisPartridge | freenodiz: Take a look at HTML5 canvas for the drawing pad, and yes use javascript for all interactions (jquery is fine) |
| 04:00.55 | lstarnes | or, for this, flasg |
| 04:00.57 | lstarnes | *flash |
| 04:01.16 | freenodiz | no flash please |
| 04:01.56 | freenodiz | ahh,sry,you mean that specific one is in flash,i tought you were suggesting me,lol |
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| 04:02.14 | esprimo | freenodiz: The one you linked is made in flash |
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| 04:02.27 | esprimo | Are you planning on making your own? |
| 04:02.42 | freenodiz | yes,an experimental one...very BASIC,LOL |
| 04:02.49 | lstarnes | cobol on cogs |
| 04:03.22 | esprimo | freenodiz: I'd say as ChrisPartridge, take a look at HTML5 canvas |
| 04:04.08 | freenodiz | cobol yes,it sounds nice what ChrisPartridge said,html 5 + jquery would be nice |
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| 04:04.17 | ChrisPartridge | freenodiz: You could use z-index, and a canvas for each layer - the UI and events code will be the most complex part, drawing to the canvas itself is relatively easy *stares at canvas cheatsheet on wall* |
| 04:05.04 | freenodiz | nice,i'm good with css |
| 04:05.15 | freenodiz | it sounds good idea to use z-index for layers |
| 04:05.22 | esprimo | You need to use a lot of javascript though |
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| 04:06.08 | freenodiz | esprimo,would jquery be enough?or maybe some other lib? |
| 04:07.09 | ChrisPartridge | freenodiz: jquery should be fine, but if your not up to scratch with your js - i'd suggest taking a look at http://jqfundamentals.com/ |
| 04:07.22 | freenodiz | the event's code i was thinking to write with rails... |
| 04:07.33 | freenodiz | rails/jquery |
| 04:07.42 | freenodiz | or sinatra/jquery |
| 04:07.53 | ChrisPartridge | freenodiz: rails is on the server, you need code on the client side to handle events |
| 04:08.03 | freenodiz | ahhhh |
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| 04:09.22 | freenodiz | so just jquery and css and html 5 would do it...i will do very basic,experimental |
| 04:09.41 | ChrisPartridge | freenodiz: most certainly |
| 04:10.00 | freenodiz | the hard part will be add the logic to jquery i guess |
| 04:10.30 | ChrisPartridge | freenodiz: Yes, i suggest looking at jquery widgets (not plugins) - they are stateful and are perfect for layouting out code such as this |
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| 04:11.30 | freenodiz | thanks for the insigths |
| 04:11.34 | gnarface | wtf happened to mkisofs? |
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| 04:11.41 | ChrisPartridge | yw |
| 04:11.41 | gnarface | ,versions mkisofs |
| 04:11.42 | judd | Package: mkisofs on i386 -- lenny: 9:1.1.9-1 |
| 04:11.46 | gnarface | :( |
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| 04:17.13 | gimpy941 | I installed Debian Squeeze (LXDE) on KVM which is hosted by Debian Squeeze. When I clicked on lxterm it moved off the screen by itself and now the GUI is only somewhat responsive and Xorg (as well as lxpanel, xscreensaver, etc.) is using lots of CPU time. What could cause this? See http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=26382ag&s=5 |
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| 04:39.46 | dark|angel | does anyone here have any experience with power saving modes on Xeon CPUs and if I should disable them on a web server? |
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| 04:52.35 | jaapbadlands | how can I scp a file to my remote server where root access has been shut down, when logged in with my user name i then sudo su to root, the folder I'm trying to copy to is only available to root |
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| 04:55.22 | ChrisPartridge | jaapbadlands: scp it to your std user, and then move it via a shell? or trying to automate/ |
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| 04:56.11 | DasEi | jaapbadlands: yes, have a standard permission dir and autosync to root folder on remote locally |
| 04:56.34 | jaapbadlands | think I've gotcha |
| 04:56.36 | jaapbadlands | cheers |
| 04:57.51 | DasEi | rsync via cron or unison or such are your friends on remote |
| 04:59.50 | jaapbadlands | so if i can access a folder as my user and as root on my remote, should i not be able to copy the file to that folder and then sudo su to root and do the move? |
| 05:00.53 | zykotick9 | gimpy941: (it's not just you) I've seen the same/similar issues with LXDE on KVM as well (all other tested DEs/WMs have worked - seems specifically to be a LXDE issue). Best of luck. |
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| 05:02.33 | gimpy941 | zykotick9: :( KVM/libvirt has been nothing but problems ever since I started trying to move away from VMware a few days ago. |
| 05:03.29 | zykotick9 | gimpy941: i personally use KVM (no libvirt), and other then LXDE haven't have many issues. |
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| 05:04.07 | zykotick9 | s/have/had/ |
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| 05:04.49 | DasEi | though rather vmware way, vbox serves me well |
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| 05:05.17 | gimpy941 | DasEi: vbox == Oracle == donotwant |
| 05:05.17 | wooden | jaapbadlands: If you give yourself passwordless sudo access to rsync on the remote, you can do this with just rsync. |
| 05:05.27 | DasEi | gimpy941: I see |
| 05:05.28 | wooden | jaapbadlands: rsync --rsync-path="sudo rsync" some_file.txt jaapbadlands@maple:/tmp/ |
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| 05:07.33 | jaapbadlands | wooden: could you possibly point to a tutorial on the web? |
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| 05:10.18 | wooden | jaapbadlands: If you really want to understand it, `man 5 sudoers`. There are lots of sudoers configuration tutorials on the web that explain it in much less detail, but probably well enough to get yourself in trouble and/or achieve what you're trying to do. |
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| 05:17.23 | nvz | jaapbadlands: username ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/rsync |
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| 05:17.57 | nvz | somehow I don |
| 05:18.04 | nvz | 't think this is a good idea though |
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| 05:19.00 | nvz | its essentially the same as saying username is root |
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| 05:20.58 | DasEi | nvz: you could put rsync -ru in rc.local |
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| 05:22.11 | ruslan_osmanov | hi. how do I find a package containing pthread_cond_wait.c ? |
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| 05:22.55 | nvz | ruslan_osmanov: packages.debian.org |
| 05:23.04 | wooden | ruslan_osmanov: I use "apt-file - search for files within Debian packages (command-line interface)" |
| 05:23.18 | wooden | sudo apt-get install apt-file |
| 05:23.25 | nvz | or that ;) |
| 05:23.34 | wooden | apt-file find pthread_cond_wait.c |
| 05:23.35 | ruslan_osmanov | wooden, thank you |
| 05:23.37 | nvz | much better than your last suggestion.. heh |
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| 05:31.33 | ruslan_osmanov | wooden, nice tool. didn't find however. I think the sources are available via apt-get source only |
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| 05:33.52 | wooden | ruslan_osmanov: sorry, mate. :( |
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| 06:00.11 | da_tash | python-gtk2-dev broken dependency? |
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| 06:00.42 | nvz | cole law thinly sliced cabbage? |
| 06:00.49 | DogBoy | lol |
| 06:00.53 | nvz | ;) |
| 06:01.04 | DogBoy | try forming a sentence da_tash |
| 06:01.11 | nvz | da_tash: paste.debian.net or be more specific |
| 06:01.30 | da_tash | nvz: the output is in spanish |
| 06:02.11 | DammitJim | si |
| 06:02.50 | nvz | well I studied spanish for about 6 years.. and I know how to use a translator |
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| 06:03.16 | nvz | while we're exchanging more useless information ;) |
| 06:04.28 | wolfpython | rtl8187b wireless card cannot work fine with NetworkManager(squeeze) |
| 06:05.09 | nvz | wolfpython: are you online with that machine now, perhaps using wired connection? |
| 06:05.22 | wolfpython | nope |
| 06:05.40 | nvz | wolfpython: well then I'm going to need you to manually check dmesg |
| 06:05.55 | wolfpython | I can only using the wireless now |
| 06:05.59 | wolfpython | nvz: ok |
| 06:06.00 | nvz | wolfpython: less /var/log/dmesg or dmesg|less |
| 06:06.09 | wolfpython | [ 1747.541167] wlan2: direct probe to AP 00:0b:0e:d8:f8:c0 (try 1) |
| 06:06.09 | wolfpython | [ 1747.740012] wlan2: direct probe to AP 00:0b:0e:d8:f8:c0 (try 2) |
| 06:06.09 | wolfpython | [ 1747.940012] wlan2: direct probe to AP 00:0b:0e:d8:f8:c0 (try 3) |
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| 06:06.16 | da_tash | nvz: http://pastebin.com/efqVAk1g |
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| 06:07.16 | twiggz | hello slaves, long time no see. I need advice. |
| 06:07.27 | DogBoy | k |
| 06:07.30 | nvz | da_tash: could you also upload your sources.list to that site? |
| 06:07.35 | twiggz | I recently aquired a macbook pro core i7 (intel of course) |
| 06:07.36 | da_tash | nvz: http://pastebin.com/Gaf7bvnp |
| 06:07.48 | twiggz | i am sick of this fat whore of OSX |
| 06:07.55 | wolfpython | nvz:http://paste.debian.net/149359/ |
| 06:07.59 | twiggz | how would debian fair on this laptop? |
| 06:08.28 | twiggz | i already installed homebrew nd macports to have most of my linux and bsd apps available to me natively |
| 06:08.29 | wolfpython | it just cannot connect to some of the wireless network |
| 06:09.11 | twiggz | like, im stoked that i dont have to use macirssi anymore, i cna run real irssi in my new favorite terminal for OSX ...iTerm |
| 06:09.17 | wolfpython | it can connect to my router(tp-link) ,thou |
| 06:09.41 | twiggz | but, i want to know how debian fairs on this macbook pro core i7 4gb ram lappy. |
| 06:09.46 | twiggz | its a legit machine |
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| 06:10.14 | twiggz | i got this macbook pro for free when i signed up for classes. |
| 06:10.50 | twiggz | 1500-1800 dollar machine..and not even and hdmi output ...how ghetto? |
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| 06:11.27 | wolfpython | nvz: here is the infomation of wireless card http://paste.debian.net/149360/ |
| 06:11.28 | nvz | wolfpython: thats fairly useless information I already have from your paste in the channel |
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| 06:12.12 | nvz | da_tash: those packages are on that repo, try apt-get update && apt-get -f install |
| 06:12.19 | wolfpython | nvz: ok, you want the whole dmesg? |
| 06:12.44 | nvz | wolfpython: yes if you could upload the file /var/log/dmesg using the upload below on that page |
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| 06:15.23 | twiggz | yeah, no help, just i should have expected. |
| 06:15.59 | nvz | heh |
| 06:16.24 | twiggz | fuckers worrying about wireless....that shit is simple...if yu cant figure you wireless out ...toss your pc out the window, pal. |
| 06:17.03 | nvz | twiggz I understand you're frustrated but you need to calm down first and be more coherent |
| 06:17.13 | tensorpudding | i thought i read that debian gnu/hurd is going to be officially supported as of wheezy or something, is that true? |
| 06:18.17 | nvz | twiggz: the problems I have right now are that you've said a lot over many many lines and I'm working on 2 other issues.. I have to lastlog to even see all of what you said, then subtract all that is irrelevant.. |
| 06:18.22 | twiggz | nvz: I am being quite coherent. I have a macbook pro, core i7 (intel of course) 4gb ram. How would debian fair on it if at all? |
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| 06:18.32 | nvz | and I probably wont even get to the root of the problem before you get pissed and leave |
| 06:19.12 | twiggz | i have no problem, just seeking someone that has experiene using debian on a macbook pro intel based lappy. |
| 06:19.14 | nvz | twiggz: offhand I see no reason why it wouldnt work |
| 06:19.29 | nvz | twiggz: first person that comes to mind doesnt seem to be active right this minute |
| 06:19.50 | gunfire007 | how to save the settings of compiz ? every time i reboot my system the settings are lost |
| 06:19.50 | twiggz | because i know freebsd will work out the box on it. id rther run debian testing on it though. |
| 06:20.04 | twiggz | compiz lol |
| 06:20.09 | da_tash | nvz: didn't work |
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| 06:20.22 | nvz | twiggz: http://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro |
| 06:20.27 | gunfire007 | twiggz: i did but it's not getting saved.. |
| 06:20.27 | twiggz | unessecary eyecandy |
| 06:20.28 | nvz | da_tash: exact same error? |
| 06:20.31 | twiggz | run openbox, ion3, dwm, or something respectable. |
| 06:20.33 | da_tash | nvz: yeah |
| 06:20.50 | gunfire007 | twiggz: i am preparing this machine for my small brother.. |
| 06:21.02 | gunfire007 | twiggz: i am using arch personally with awesome wm |
| 06:21.19 | nvz | da_tash: hmm.. 1sec.. my first though was that you do not have contrib/non-free but those packages seem to be in main near as I can tell |
| 06:21.54 | nvz | twiggz: that wiki page should help you figure out what works and how well |
| 06:22.03 | da_tash | afaik, if it is in main its dep should be there too |
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| 06:22.36 | da_tash | isnt nvz ? |
| 06:22.49 | nvz | da_tash: my thoughts exactly.. and I can see it on packages.debian.org and I'm pretty sure if I manually navigate your mirror I will see it (but its a roundrobin hence why I said update) |
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| 06:22.55 | gunfire007 | twiggz: compiz only works when i typte compiz --replace in terminal otherwise compiz is not functioning |
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| 06:23.10 | nvz | da_tash: my next best thought right now (still thinking) is to try another mirror |
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| 06:23.58 | nvz | wolfpython: I could've just had you read it if its that much trouble and told you what I'm looking for |
| 06:24.10 | nvz | wolfpython: but you got all ahead of me and started pasting useless information |
| 06:25.01 | wolfpython | nvz: I think it's the problem of nm itself |
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| 06:25.31 | twiggz | gunfire007: arch is an unessecary pain in the ass, their pkgs are unreliable, and they have hordes of kids doing their work in their mommies basement |
| 06:25.32 | wolfpython | nvz: 'cause I can connect to wireless network in testing(nm-0.9) |
| 06:25.37 | twiggz | fuck, arch linux |
| 06:25.47 | nvz | wolfpython: I highly doubt that... my first though is that you are missing firmware which it'll say in dmesg |
| 06:25.50 | twiggz | pacman is ass |
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| 06:26.51 | twiggz | its either slackware, debian, or freebsd for me for a desktop....preferably freebsd. freebsd ports owns all other linux distro pkg managers. |
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| 06:27.07 | twiggz | debian makes a nice quick desktop though |
| 06:27.33 | twiggz | never debian or any linux for any of my three servers. |
| 06:27.37 | twiggz | all BSD |
| 06:27.58 | da_tash | nvz: when I do a "apt-cache stats" it says that I am misssing more than 5436 packages, are those nonfree and contrib? (changing mirror) |
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| 06:29.08 | nvz | da_tash: not sure.. to be honest I'm not familiar with the output.. mine says missing 6048 on this machine.. |
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| 06:30.19 | sephii | according to the manpage it refers to packages that are in the Conflicts and Recommends fields but are missing |
| 06:30.26 | EdLin | does anyone know how to get Debian to boot on a system where the monitor has a bad EDID and an nvidia card? even when I turn off frame buffer, it crashes while loading nouveau drivers. I need that to be deactivated too maybe. |
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| 06:31.10 | sephii | so i don't think that's an issue if some of them are missing, maybe some of them have been removed but the conflicts or recommends fields of other packages has not been updated |
| 06:31.38 | simonlnu | sounds about right |
| 06:32.17 | nvz | simonlnu: ah there you are ;) |
| 06:32.35 | simonlnu | hehe |
| 06:32.38 | nvz | simonlnu: very angry macbook user had me thinking of you |
| 06:33.18 | nvz | I just pointed to the wiki and backed away slowly |
| 06:33.29 | simonlnu | just got up. had a nice long nap |
| 06:33.34 | simonlnu | mm, good idea |
| 06:33.45 | nvz | ah.. nice.. I just took a muscle relaxer and had a cup of hot coca |
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| 06:33.55 | nvz | substitute for a nap.. lol |
| 06:34.10 | simonlnu | cocoa maybe? |
| 06:34.18 | nvz | that too.. I mixed em.. hehe |
| 06:34.36 | EdLin | the thing is, Windows loads, so obviously the kernel is just being too picky. I was trying another distro and it'd go into the command line stuff, which Debian wouldn't, but X was in VGA mode. I wouldn't mind getting to that point, if it's possible. |
| 06:34.38 | nvz | took me a few minutes to figure out what sephii was even talking about |
| 06:34.39 | simonlnu | you'd be doing more chewing for the coca ;p |
| 06:35.02 | simonlnu | EdLin: what, is x starting? |
| 06:35.06 | nvz | EdLin: what are you doing to not load the FB? my first thoughts are a nofb and vga=normal kernel params |
| 06:35.13 | EdLin | simonlnu no, I didn't install x |
| 06:35.16 | simonlnu | or is this just console? |
| 06:35.18 | simonlnu | ok |
| 06:35.21 | EdLin | just console. |
| 06:35.55 | simonlnu | leave off any video= things, that tells the kernel you wanna do fb stuff |
| 06:36.02 | EdLin | nvz I tried vga=normal and it complained it was obsolete, so I used video=vga16:off as recommended via searching. |
| 06:36.17 | nvz | points to simonlnu |
| 06:36.33 | EdLin | simonlnu grub isn't using vga things by default, only when I fiddle with it. |
| 06:36.52 | EdLin | and when I don't fiddle with it, screen goes blank even earlier. |
| 06:36.59 | nvz | I'm unclear on the vague "crashes" thing too |
| 06:37.20 | nvz | I'm thinking it doesnt crash, it just doesnt show you anything |
| 06:37.23 | EdLin | nvz it's not really a crash, it's no monitor using. I can hit control-alt delete, and it'll reboot. |
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| 06:37.46 | EdLin | nvz I probably can type in my root login, and type rm -rf / and it'll work too. |
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| 06:37.52 | nvz | this is where ssh comes in handy but requires something to ssh in from |
| 06:38.07 | simonlnu | aah, i see. it's probably not starting the fb properly |
| 06:38.32 | EdLin | simonlnu right, but it also crashes later in the process when loading nouvou too. |
| 06:38.35 | wolfpython | nvz: I don't think it need the firmware ,thou |
| 06:38.43 | wolfpython | http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x |
| 06:38.45 | simonlnu | you'll wanna figure out what to use *besides* nouveau |
| 06:38.51 | da_tash | nvz: Changed the mirrors and still |
| 06:38.53 | nvz | wolfpython: dont think so either after I finally found that page you just linked |
| 06:38.58 | sephii | nvz: yeah I guess I should have named someone |
| 06:39.11 | nvz | wolfpython: but the errors you gave me were the effect not the cause |
| 06:39.12 | EdLin | simonlnu I don't know how to do that if I can't get it to boot, short of trying to use make menuconfig without a monitor. |
| 06:39.15 | da_tash | nvz: any idea? maybe a general problem? |
| 06:39.56 | simonlnu | might wanna try video=vesafb or something like that |
| 06:40.08 | nvz | da_tash: it makes no sense to me at this point, those packages are on the repo, even with your 3rd party sources and any possible pinning it should still see them |
| 06:40.12 | wolfpython | nvz: I'll try NM-0.9 |
| 06:40.16 | EdLin | simonlnu OK, any other suggestions before I reboot with that? |
| 06:40.24 | simonlnu | otherwise get an sshd on there and work from another box |
| 06:40.38 | simonlnu | or in addition =) |
| 06:40.39 | nvz | wolfpython: what OS is the machine you're on now? |
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| 06:40.49 | da_tash | nvz: make no sense for me either |
| 06:40.50 | wolfpython | squeeze |
| 06:40.52 | EdLin | simonlnu well, Debian doesn't do that by default anymore, so I'd have to try to apt-get it without being able to see what I'm doing. :) |
| 06:41.09 | nvz | wolfpython: so in other words you can take that usb wireless adapter and put it into this machine? |
| 06:41.13 | simonlnu | ;). any good admin knows how to do that |
| 06:41.25 | wolfpython | nvz: Yes |
| 06:41.29 | sephii | da_tash: according to the manpage it refers to packages that are in the Conflicts and Recommends fields but are missing |
| 06:41.32 | simonlnu | and if you don't here's your chance ;) |
| 06:41.41 | nvz | wolfpython: seems like that would make seeing the output of things a whole lot easier.. heh |
| 06:41.47 | da_tash | sephii: try aptitude? |
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| 06:42.11 | EdLin | simonlnu I remember woody had a sshd that listened with a root login by default, and I used a weak password. One day I noticed I'd been hacked. Big mistake, and a lesson in that Linux ain't malware-proof either. ;-) |
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| 06:42.38 | nvz | wolfpython: I dont know if its failing due to wpa or what.. I know nothing at this point other than you are saying a card that is suppose to work doesnt and all I can guess is install wireless-tools wpasupplicant |
| 06:42.45 | simonlnu | no they aren't. just different ways |
| 06:42.52 | nvz | if I can't see the dmesg, I haven't a clue |
| 06:43.21 | EdLin | OK, rebooting with video=vesafb |
| 06:43.55 | da_tash | sephii, nvz: seems like the problem is that I have a beta version of iceweasel |
| 06:44.00 | nvz | I broke the screen on an old laptop and completely removed it and used it headless for a long time.. flying blind isnt so bad on your own machine |
| 06:44.15 | da_tash | sephii, nvz: aptitude sugest a downgrade |
| 06:44.21 | simonlnu | once you get to know it a bit, it's easy |
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| 06:44.51 | nvz | da_tash: so the libgtk2.0-dev is pulling from the 3rd party mirror rather than debian mirror? |
| 06:45.27 | nvz | da_tash: sounds to me like you need to comment those sources and update |
| 06:45.43 | da_tash | nvz: I totally changed my source.list without the 3rd party |
| 06:45.45 | wolfpython | nvz:http://paste.debian.net/149362/ |
| 06:45.47 | nvz | cause you should be able to get libgtk2.0-dev no matter what binary packages you have instaled |
| 06:46.01 | nvz | thats irrelevant to -dev packages |
| 06:46.21 | nvz | or it should be anyhow.. heh.. if it isn't those are some evil packages |
| 06:46.53 | wolfpython | nvz: it can connect to AP 74:ea:3a:41:49:2a , but cannot connect to AP 00:0b:0e:d7:c3:00 |
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| 06:48.03 | nvz | wolfpython: difference between the APs? |
| 06:48.42 | wolfpython | nvz: yes , the before is my router , the latter is provided by ISP |
| 06:48.55 | nvz | wolfpython: and one is open and the other is secure? |
| 06:49.41 | nvz | turns the volume down yet again as he gets more tired and sensitive to noise :-P |
| 06:50.04 | wolfpython | nvz:mine router is WPA2 , while the later(by ISP) authenticate via web |
| 06:50.21 | nvz | wolfpython: and do you have wpasupplicant installed? |
| 06:50.43 | da_tash | nvz: after downgrade it works |
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| 06:51.04 | nvz | da_tash: well thats 3rd party packages for ya.. |
| 06:51.04 | da_tash | nvz: seems like I have to leave stable |
| 06:51.14 | nvz | da_tash: there are always other options |
| 06:51.19 | wolfpython | nvz: yes |
| 06:51.34 | wolfpython | or I cannot connect to my router :-) |
| 06:51.58 | nvz | wolfpython: true.. forgot we have two wireless cards ;) |
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| 06:59.29 | ethanol | sup with this? dpkg-reconfigure locales doesn't help :-\ --- http://pastie.org/3025071 |
| 07:01.24 | simonlnu | because those aren't valid |
| 07:01.36 | ethanol | then why does dpkg-reconfigure locales generate them? |
| 07:02.06 | simonlnu | i doubt it did. or tried, but no real data was produced. did you check in /usr/share/locales ? |
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| 07:03.00 | ethanol | there's dozens of directories in there |
| 07:03.03 | ethanol | what am I looking for? |
| 07:03.27 | ethanol | all of them only seem to contain LC_MESSAGES |
| 07:03.35 | ethanol | is that normal? |
| 07:04.44 | simonlnu | yes |
| 07:04.59 | ethanol | hrm. |
| 07:05.41 | ethanol | then why are they invalid according to you? |
| 07:06.04 | simonlnu | i think i pointed you at the wrong dir but there's is a place locale-gen makes that has various dirs named after the various requested locales |
| 07:06.08 | ethanol | also it's /usr/share/locale/, I don't have /locales/, typo? |
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| 07:06.21 | ethanol | ah |
| 07:07.00 | ethanol | I have /usr/lib/locale/C.UTF-8, but it only contains C.UTF-8 |
| 07:07.02 | simonlnu | afaik they are. but, that may have changed since last time i checked ;). why i'm saying that is because of the utf8 versus UTF-8 |
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| 07:07.36 | simonlnu | it should be in the form of XX.UTF-8 |
| 07:08.08 | ethanol | don't have those |
| 07:08.12 | simonlnu | represented by "XX.XX_UTF-8". XX. being optional |
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| 07:08.46 | ethanol | well I have them in /usr/share/x11, but this is a headless server. do those folders still count? |
| 07:08.47 | simonlnu | moment please need to attend to a diff |
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| 07:09.39 | ethanol | sure thing :) -- http://pastie.org/3025114 for when you get back |
| 07:09.48 | simonlnu | back |
| 07:10.10 | simonlnu | yeh that's it |
| 07:10.23 | simonlnu | should be stuff like that |
| 07:10.50 | simonlnu | so, i'd suggest changing those utf8 ones into something like that |
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| 07:11.40 | ethanol | but that doesn't make sense, cause I used dpkg-reconfigure to generate the locales for en_us and nl_nl only |
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| 07:12.41 | simonlnu | try logging in again, on another terminal |
| 07:13.22 | ethanol | hrm, it does work if I source /etc/default/locale now (which sets LANG=en_US.UTF-8) |
| 07:13.57 | ethanol | wonder why it does not do that when I ssh into the machine |
| 07:14.00 | ethanol | investigates |
| 07:14.20 | simonlnu | hmm |
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| 07:17.45 | ethanol | argh, I seem to have place a LANG= in my users .bashrc |
| 07:17.49 | ethanol | s/place/placed/ |
| 07:17.58 | ethanol | that was the culprit this whole time! |
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| 07:19.06 | Bacta | Hi guys - I've had a really awful experience with Ubuntu 11.10, it was a real step down from 11.04 - major disappointment. Is Debian a good alternative? Last I heard it was very much targeted towards servers |
| 07:19.22 | DogBoy | hehe |
| 07:19.24 | simonlnu | doh! |
| 07:19.51 | ShinyDarkness | Bacta: Not at all. |
| 07:20.04 | ShinyDarkness | bacta: I mean, it is not specially targeted at servers. |
| 07:20.09 | simonlnu | Bacta: nah, i use it on workstations and servers |
| 07:20.20 | ShinyDarkness | Bacta: It is a perfectly fine desktop operating system. |
| 07:20.33 | Bacta | Perhaps it's my bias from admining Debian servers |
| 07:21.09 | Bacta | Will I have any issues getting proprietry graphics drivers and codecs? |
| 07:21.37 | ethanol | I still consider debian mostly a server os. cause it's more stable, but also less on the edge with drivers and such. |
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| 07:21.54 | ethanol | what's wrong with ubuntu 11.10 though? |
| 07:22.10 | ShinyDarkness | ethanol: A better question would be what is NOT wrong with Ubuntu 11.10? |
| 07:22.16 | ethanol | I'm running arch with gnome 3.2, but I imagine ubuntu 11.10 isn't that bad? |
| 07:22.24 | Bacta | ethanol: Unity sucks. I've tried to like it but it's really awful. Also 11.10 is terribly unstable. |
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| 07:22.34 | ShinyDarkness | ethanol: I recently switched from Windows. I found Ubuntu's user interface completely horrible. |
| 07:22.45 | ethanol | some of my coworkers have it. looks decent. kinda reminds me of osx with the unity stuff (the menu and such) |
| 07:22.55 | Bacta | 11.04 was good, it was usable. 11.11 crashes all the time and I don't like Unity |
| 07:23.21 | ShinyDarkness | ethanol: I use OS X on my main machine, and Unity is at best a bad at attempt at recreating the OS X experience. |
| 07:23.23 | ethanol | weird, here it's the other way around. everyone was having issues with 11.04. when 11.10 came out, that stopped :) |
| 07:23.52 | ethanol | ShinyDarkness, I have it at home. I'm starting to hate apple for not making dualboot as easy as it is on any regular pc. |
| 07:24.17 | Bacta | This is going to sound nasty but I think the community has become arrogant, at least some aspects of it have. |
| 07:24.36 | Bacta | In 11.04 I could use Gnome, it was still an option. 11.10 removed it. |
| 07:24.43 | ethanol | Bacta, well if you want debian on a desktop, I would personally recommend lmde. |
| 07:24.47 | ethanol | but that's just my opinion. |
| 07:24.52 | Bacta | lmde? |
| 07:24.57 | ethanol | linux mint debian edition |
| 07:24.59 | ethanol | rolling release. |
| 07:25.01 | Bacta | Ah yes |
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| 07:25.14 | Bacta | I was going to ask about it in the channel here but it's not very active |
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| 07:25.24 | ethanol | correct, their main channel is not on freenode. |
| 07:25.29 | Bacta | How come? |
| 07:25.47 | ethanol | that is a question I don't have an answer to :) |
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| 07:26.04 | Bacta | :) I'll have to hit them up over there then |
| 07:26.10 | ethanol | they use the spotchat network I believe. |
| 07:26.11 | Bacta | I have seen Linux Mint, it looks nice |
| 07:26.19 | Bacta | Is it well supported and actively developed? |
| 07:26.28 | ethanol | they have very active forums. |
| 07:26.39 | Bacta | Do you use it? |
| 07:26.44 | ethanol | and lmde basically runs on debian testing, which in my experience is quite stable on a desktop |
| 07:26.59 | ethanol | I have used it in the past. I'm more partial to arch now myself. |
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| 07:27.31 | Bacta | Well Arch was another option I was exploring but it sounds like it has a steeper learning curve |
| 07:27.45 | ethanol | it does, certainly in comparison. |
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| 07:28.46 | Bacta | Is Linux Mint a Debian distro or is LMDE a fork? |
| 07:29.24 | twiggz | linux mint has a debian based version |
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| 07:29.35 | twiggz | i think its balls though. |
| 07:30.04 | twiggz | Sure its nice and polished, but its still made for retards. |
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| 07:30.32 | Bacta | retards? |
| 07:30.34 | cnz | how do you untar a .tar.md5 file? |
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| 07:32.05 | simonlnu | cnz: um, did you look at the file at all? |
| 07:32.32 | simonlnu | Bacta: it's another distro entirely |
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| 07:33.52 | ethanol | cnu, it contains the file md5 to verify integrity |
| 07:34.28 | ethanol | cnu, md5sum file.tar.md5 |
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| 08:22.49 | crosswalk | Bit manipulation or alphanumeric keys when chmoding? |
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| 08:31.17 | gentz | Are mac addresses guaranteed to be unique? |
| 08:31.38 | mjt | guaranteed by whom? |
| 08:31.50 | gentz | by the manufacturer |
| 08:32.00 | mjt | most network cards allows to set the MAC address to anything you like |
| 08:32.01 | gentz | assuming that it is set in hardware and not by a user |
| 08:32.03 | sephii | gentz: mac addresses can be changed |
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| 08:32.33 | gentz | Yes. I mean assuming they are not changed. If I buy two network cards, is there a remote possibility that they will share a mac address? |
| 08:32.40 | mjt | long time ago we had a batch of workstations from acer (about 20 of them) which had the same mac address |
| 08:34.07 | CybDev | there is no guarantee for mac addresses to be unique |
| 08:34.12 | CybDev | especially for printers etc |
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| 08:38.04 | Woet | gentz: use system UID |
| 08:38.25 | Woet | they say it's unique. |
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| 08:46.38 | boudiccas | help, i've just closed my main panel [on debian squeeze/6.0.3] and i cant get it back! how do i get it back to its normal size and postion please? |
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| 08:49.44 | simonlnu | main panel? |
| 08:50.12 | simonlnu | boudiccas: ^^ |
| 08:50.15 | boudiccas | the one that holds the system tray, the menu button, the clock, and system tray |
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| 08:50.53 | simonlnu | ah, in gnome i guess. well, you can add a new one. right click on (one of) the other one(s) |
| 08:51.00 | boudiccas | no in kde |
| 08:51.05 | simonlnu | same |
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| 08:51.21 | boudiccas | there is no other panel :( |
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| 08:51.53 | simonlnu | can you get one from kcontrol or the desktop? maybe it crashed too. |
| 08:52.06 | simonlnu | (i'm assuming squeeze has kde3) |
| 08:52.29 | boudiccas | !versions kde |
| 08:52.37 | simonlnu | ,versions kde |
| 08:52.39 | judd | Package: kde on i386 -- lenny: 5:48; squeeze: 5:66 |
| 08:52.48 | simonlnu | ,versions kdebase |
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| 08:52.50 | judd | Package: kdebase on i386 -- lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; lenny-security: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; squeeze: 5:66 |
| 08:53.21 | gentz | Woet: where can i find it. is it an environment variable or in a file somewhere? |
| 08:53.42 | Woet | gentz: you haven't told what you are actually doing, so I don't know |
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| 08:53.54 | Woet | i'm using it in a PXE environment |
| 08:54.15 | boudiccas | i've right-clicked the desktop and 'add panel' but its so very tiny on the bottom left of the screen. how do i resize it and get it to a default size please? |
| 08:54.22 | gentz | I have several computers (all have identical hardware) & i have installed debian on all of them. All of the kernels have the same md5sum, but every initrd.img has a different checksum. Why is this? |
| 08:55.18 | Woet | what are you trying to do, gentz |
| 08:55.21 | rozie | gentz: diff it. probably there's creation date in file |
| 08:55.33 | rozie | hex diff of course |
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| 08:57.29 | gentz | rozie: hm. never thought of hexdumping & diffing for binary files. that's a good 1. ty |
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| 08:59.08 | boudiccas | simonlnu; any hints please? there is no 'kcontrol' so i cant activate things with that. maybe if i crash x it will come back when i restart my desktop? |
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| 08:59.41 | iman | when I want to pinging a site in terminal I faced this problem, bash: ping: command not found |
| 08:59.55 | iman | everything was ok before but today I have this problem |
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| 09:02.12 | boudiccas | help, i've just closed my main panel [on debian squeeze/6.0.3] and i cant get it back! how do i get it back to its normal size and postion please? |
| 09:02.20 | simonlnu | boudiccas: right click the panel, and edit it. kcontrol is the control panel |
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| 09:08.02 | Darkbulb | I have a problem with my new debian 6.0.3 stable install. apt-get and synaptic agree that package scid is installed and up to date. All dependencies are also installed yet the package is mia on the system |
| 09:08.35 | Darkbulb | its no place in the X menus - I cant find a binary in bin |
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| 09:09.17 | Darkbulb | I am not sure how debian would do an rpm -qa |
| 09:09.42 | Darkbulb | find as root also comes up with nothing |
| 09:10.04 | Darkbulb | any ideas as to how to resolve this inconsistency |
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| 09:11.25 | mjt | what does rpm -qa do? |
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| 09:11.40 | mjt | besides, you can reinstall the package |
| 09:11.40 | boudiccas | simonlnu; is there a desktop called 'xfce' that i could use in place of kde? |
| 09:12.19 | Darkbulb | mjt: Ive tried that boudiccas yes there is |
| 09:12.56 | Darkbulb | mjt rpm -qa on red hat systems queries the database to see if package x exists |
| 09:13.07 | boudiccas | i've tried ......... sudo apt-get install xfce ........... but it didnt install it |
| 09:13.07 | mjt | dpkg -s does the same on debian |
| 09:13.08 | dpkg | Dingos ate my does the same on debian! |
| 09:13.48 | mjt | Darkbulb: both debian and redhat tools merely query in-system database (/var/lib/rpm or /var/lib/dpkg) |
| 09:14.20 | Darkbulb | ahh - good to know |
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| 09:14.36 | mjt | Darkbulb: dpkg -L <package> will show list of files of that package -- as recorded in the system db again, namely, /var/lib/dpkg/info/package.list |
| 09:15.04 | boudiccas | how do i install xfce then please? |
| 09:15.08 | mjt | Darkbulb: (on debian all these files are plain text, unlike rpm which uses berkeleyDB databases) |
| 09:15.29 | Darkbulb | hmm |
| 09:15.30 | mjt | Darkbulb: you can do apt-get install --reinstall <package> |
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| 09:16.26 | Darkbulb | no change mjt |
| 09:16.33 | mjt | Darkbulb: and sure thing, you can do stuff manually (delete files, modify the database etc) on both and the db will be inconsistent with the actual state in the system |
| 09:16.55 | mjt | Darkbulb: also, your package may be a transitional package which itself does not have any files |
| 09:17.03 | boudiccas | i'm going to try crashing x and then logging back on, and hope that kde panel is restored |
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| 09:17.58 | Darkbulb | It prompted to use disk space - games - extras - scid |
| 09:18.00 | mjt | Darkbulb: scid is not transitional |
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| 09:18.39 | Darkbulb | not sure what else to try |
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| 09:19.11 | mjt | see the list of files |
| 09:19.16 | mjt | it installs into /usr/games |
| 09:19.38 | mjt | and there's /usr/share/menu/scid which should appear in system menu |
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| 09:19.56 | Darkbulb | mjt man 6 says scid starts it from command line |
| 09:20.09 | mjt | and? |
| 09:20.18 | Darkbulb | cant start it scid: command not found |
| 09:20.25 | mjt | < mjt> it installs into /usr/games |
| 09:20.41 | alphanet | hello, switching off cores might be a better way to save energy. has someone already written some script that would start cores when CPU 100% for some time, and stop when less than 100%? |
| 09:20.45 | mjt | by default /usr/games is in user's path in debian |
| 09:21.08 | Darkbulb | I eliminated the path issue by cding mjt |
| 09:21.24 | mjt | what? your $PATH contains "." ? |
| 09:21.44 | Darkbulb | cd before you told me debian's default path included /usr/games |
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| 09:21.55 | Darkbulb | I cded into the directory |
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| 09:21.59 | mjt | and? |
| 09:22.14 | Darkbulb | that worked |
| 09:22.15 | mjt | did you run ./scid or scid ? |
| 09:22.24 | Darkbulb | ./scid |
| 09:22.30 | Darkbulb | in /usr/games |
| 09:22.39 | mjt | so you solved it not by cd'ing but by giving the command a pathname |
| 09:22.50 | mjt | which is _very_ different things |
| 09:22.56 | Darkbulb | now I am in /usr/games |
| 09:23.01 | Darkbulb | ./scid worked |
| 09:23.07 | Darkbulb | cd ~ |
| 09:23.14 | Darkbulb | ./scid does ! woek |
| 09:23.16 | simonlnu | he's missing /usr/games in PATH obviously |
| 09:23.17 | Darkbulb | *work |
| 09:23.23 | Darkbulb | bingo |
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| 09:23.38 | mjt | <path>/command means to run command from a given directory exactly. command means to search that command in $PATH |
| 09:23.55 | mjt | you can run it using /usr/games/scid just as well |
| 09:23.56 | simonlnu | yes |
| 09:24.17 | mjt | or you can add /usr/games back to your $PATH |
| 09:24.19 | simonlnu | another person i haven't seen in a while |
| 09:24.22 | Darkbulb | then however this 6.03 stable was built we dont have /usr/games in path ( what was the path display command again |
| 09:24.30 | Darkbulb | nvm |
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| 09:24.50 | mjt | er, /usr/games is in $PATH for a very long time, i guess since the very beginning |
| 09:25.00 | boudiccas | ok, i've screwed the panel in kde, so how do i get xfce as my desktop please? |
| 09:25.03 | mjt | it wasn't in $PATH for root |
| 09:25.14 | Darkbulb | okay |
| 09:25.15 | simonlnu | pretty much when games were written i guess ;) |
| 09:25.25 | Darkbulb | debian does not like echo $path |
| 09:25.26 | simonlnu | !xfce |
| 09:25.26 | dpkg | Xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. To install, ask me about <install xfce>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce http://wiki.xfce.org/faq http://www.xfce.org/ #xfce on irc.freenode.net. |
| 09:25.41 | simonlnu | Darkbulb: $PATH not $path |
| 09:25.47 | nvz | boudiccas: are you aware of the fact that all settings are stored in your homedir, and that you could just do something like move or remove ~/.kde or such and it'll go back to default? |
| 09:25.49 | simonlnu | case sensitive |
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| 09:26.22 | boudiccas | nvz; no, thanks i'll try that |
| 09:26.34 | simonlnu | it'll work |
| 09:26.52 | nvz | boudiccas: pretty sure it'll be ~/.kde3 or something.. but whatever it may be called the settings are in there somewhere. |
| 09:26.54 | mjt | or .config/kde, or lots of other possible variations :) |
| 09:27.11 | simonlnu | .kde |
| 09:27.36 | simonlnu | both 3 & 4 have .kde. for a while it was .kde and .kde4 while the transition was going on |
| 09:27.43 | nvz | ah |
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| 09:29.05 | boudiccas | right, thanks i'll try logging off and coming back again |
| 09:29.43 | nvz | call me crazy but I think the fhs should be standard reading for any linux user.. heh |
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| 09:31.46 | simonlnu | would help things for people to understand how it's laid out |
| 09:33.03 | nvz | especially considering how important the filesystem is in linux.. pretty much everything is a file, from the mouse that sits on your desk to every setting you make..etc. helps to know how those files are organized |
| 09:33.20 | simonlnu | yep |
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| 09:33.33 | alphanet | at least do a man 7 hier |
| 09:34.14 | simonlnu | !fhs |
| 09:34.15 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier". |
| 09:34.23 | simonlnu | ^^ :) |
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| 09:36.42 | boudiccas | i've renamed kde to xkde, and had to reboot [as the system froze on me] and come back but i still have no bottom panel :( |
| 09:37.16 | nvz | boudiccas: can you get a terminal window? |
| 09:37.21 | boudiccas | yes |
| 09:37.29 | nvz | see what happens when you run kicker |
| 09:37.33 | boudiccas | ok |
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| 09:38.01 | alphanet | simonlnu: cool |
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| 09:38.15 | alphanet | (in French it's funny because hier means yesterday) |
| 09:38.52 | simonlnu | i know =) |
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| 09:39.12 | simonlnu | i forgot a lot of my kde3 knowledge |
| 09:39.39 | simonlnu | you're helping me to remember nvz |
| 09:40.01 | boudiccas | nvz; the konsole terminal has a black background instead of its normal white, so i cant see what i'm wrting on it |
| 09:40.09 | nvz | heh, I haven't used kde in like 10 years |
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| 09:40.23 | boudiccas | writing |
| 09:40.39 | boudiccas | how do i set the background in konsole to white please? |
| 09:41.30 | alphanet | it's so unfortunate that something as simple and elegant as X properties are no longer abided to by applications |
| 09:41.38 | nvz | boudiccas: you renamed ~/.kde to ~/.xkde ? |
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| 09:43.11 | simonlnu | right click on it |
| 09:46.09 | boudiccas | nvz i think that i probably lost the . so i'll have a look at it again |
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| 09:48.16 | nvz | boudiccas: doesnt matter.. if there was not a folder called .kde in your homedir when you logged in kde should have been default like when you installed it and probably run the first time wizard again (as I recall KDE working many years ago) |
| 09:48.50 | nvz | boudiccas: and also debian (stable) shouldnt just crash.. so if you had it crash and had to reboot, and that dir didnt exist and its still acting up you have a bigger problem |
| 09:49.49 | boudiccas | nvz; but its still screwed up because i have no bottom panel, which should have been created. no squeeze just froze on me, it does it occasionaly |
| 09:50.11 | nvz | boudiccas: I'm thinking something along the lines of filesystem issues perhaps, could be out of space on a filesystem or something of that nature.. short reads, disk not ready.. etc |
| 09:50.25 | nvz | boudiccas: if your system is freezing often could even be power supply or ram |
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| 09:51.53 | boudiccas | nvz; once i've got a stable desktop [kde or xfce, i dont care which] then i'll investigate more thoroughly the stability issues. but right at the moment its unusable |
| 09:52.26 | boudiccas | ,versions xfce |
| 09:52.27 | judd | No package named 'xfce' was found in i386. |
| 09:52.50 | nvz | boudiccas: well the easiest way is to use what you got.. if it were me I'd try get KDE to work since its installed already.. create a new user if you have to |
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| 09:53.27 | nvz | boudiccas: but more than likely as I said you have a bigger problem that will only be exacerbated by trying to install more stuff.. and ultimately you're gonna have to familiarize with irssi and the command line to get help |
| 09:53.35 | nvz | boudiccas: is this a laptop or desktop? |
| 09:54.00 | boudiccas | nvz; i cant add a new user atm because i cant see what i'm writing in konsole [desktop] because of its black background |
| 09:54.29 | Knaldgas | How do I put an image behind the boot messages? Splashy seems to be missing in Debian packages... |
| 09:54.33 | mikey | hui |
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| 09:54.53 | nvz | boudiccas: you can always get a real console outside of X.. but first I was looking to get a breif background as to what kind of machine this is, roughtly how old, is there another OS on it, how long have you been using debian, and what was the previous OS? |
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| 09:56.28 | boudiccas | nvz; right, i've been using debian since may, no other OS, just one hard drive split into various partitions for home, usr, etc. this is a desktop which is an i386 about 5-6 years old |
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| 09:57.05 | boudiccas | nvz; there was no other distro on this machine, i've previously used centos for several years |
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| 09:57.10 | nvz | boudiccas: ok well with split partitions you could have a partition that is low on space causing all these problems, an older desktop could also have power or heat issues |
| 09:58.31 | boudiccas | nvz; thats one thing i can guarantee, there are /no/ heat issues because the box has one side panel missing, that how it came to me :) i know that there are two partitions that are 92% full |
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| 09:59.00 | nvz | boudiccas: you can access a console on tty1 by pressing ctrl+alt+f1 and get back to X typically with ctrl+alt+f7 |
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| 09:59.35 | nvz | boudiccas: if it were me, I'd login on a console as my user and observe any login errors, su to root, then apt-get install screen irssi |
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| 10:00.04 | nvz | boudiccas: then exit the su back to normal user typing exit, and run screen irssi and do a /server irc.freenode.net then /j #debian |
| 10:00.31 | boudiccas | nvz; i've tried irssi before and didnt get on with it, i use xchat with no problems |
| 10:00.42 | nvz | yes but xchat depends on X |
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| 10:01.01 | nvz | irssi can run in screen and be attached to a real teminal and reattached in X and wont die when X does |
| 10:01.25 | nvz | you're debugging X here.. kinda helps to have something outside X to work with |
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| 10:03.03 | boudiccas | nvz; ok, i've written it all down so i'll try it now |
| 10:03.11 | boudiccas | thanks :) |
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| 10:03.52 | nvz | when you're in tty1 with irssi we can help you smack this machine around without you having to leave |
| 10:04.37 | filePeter | Hi, I upgraded to squeeze and now grub’s os-prober does not detect my debian unstable partition/„OS“ anymore… How to add it? |
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| 10:04.50 | boudiccas | well, i've done ctrl-alt-f1, and then ctrl-alt-f7 and i'm still in xchat! |
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| 10:05.24 | nvz | boudiccas: well congratulations you've learned about tty consoles in linux.. heh |
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| 10:06.06 | boudiccas | nvz; i cant see any difference ! i dont know what the difference is |
| 10:06.23 | nvz | boudiccas: well you need to go to tty1 and login there |
| 10:06.41 | nvz | boudiccas: or any tty 1-6 |
| 10:07.21 | nvz | boudiccas: 1-6 are running getty, plain text terminals, 7 is running X which is graphical |
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| 10:07.32 | nvz | there is a pretty big difference.. heh |
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| 10:08.27 | boudiccas | nvz; when i do ctrl-alt-f1 the screen goes black, so i do ctrl-alt-f7 and i'm back here again! |
| 10:08.45 | nvz | boudiccas: ah framebuffer must be screwed then.. heh. that sucks |
| 10:09.01 | nvz | if you don't see a login on the tty1 |
| 10:09.30 | boudiccas | nvz; i dont see any prompt at all, nor any signs of one |
| 10:09.53 | nvz | boudiccas: nvidia graphics? |
| 10:10.07 | boudiccas | no, bog standard |
| 10:10.49 | nvz | just a wild guess.. either way your framebuffer is screwed which isn't a good thing when this stuff happens.. |
| 10:11.31 | boudiccas | so what can be done please? |
| 10:12.04 | nvz | boudiccas: well you can either run with trying to fix things from a badly broken X environment or reboot disabling framebuffer so you can go with the console method |
| 10:12.46 | nvz | in some cases stopping X will make the console come back but the only way I can be sure is if you pass a parameter at boot time to disable framebuffer |
| 10:13.05 | boudiccas | nvz; i'll try the reboot methos. everything in home is backed up, except for my films, to an usb external hard drive which i've just unplugged |
| 10:13.16 | boudiccas | method |
| 10:13.50 | boudiccas | so what do i put in the bootup sequence please? |
| 10:13.53 | nvz | boudiccas: well at the boot menu you can hit 'e' to edit the kernel command line |
| 10:14.25 | boudiccas | nvz; right, then what do i add to the boot line? |
| 10:14.45 | nvz | boudiccas: usually a nofb at the end of the kernel command line (the one that says linux) will do it.. but knowing what graphics card it is would help forsee any additional issues |
| 10:14.54 | nvz | nvidia in particular can be naughty sometimes |
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| 10:15.08 | nvz | with that noveau driver |
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| 10:15.48 | nvz | boudiccas: the system will boot normally but you should be able to go to tty1 and see the login without framebuffer enabled |
| 10:15.50 | boudiccas | i dont have any special drivers for the graphics, its just runnign with the bog standard one |
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| 10:16.37 | boudiccas | right, i'm trying it now |
| 10:16.48 | boudiccas | thanks, and i'll see you on the dark side :) |
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| 10:16.52 | nvz | haha |
| 10:17.24 | nvz | thinks setterm -inversescreen |
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| 10:19.02 | nvz | had a double shot of hot cocoa to wake up some |
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| 10:21.00 | nvz | that was fast |
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| 10:21.53 | boudiccas | nvz; i continually pressed 'e' until i got to the logon page , so i'm now logged on with gnome |
| 10:22.30 | ruslan_osmanov | hi. I want libc6 built with debugging symbols -g -ggdb. I know there is libc6-dbg package that should privide debugging symbols for valgrind, gdb etc. But it seems, these are not enough. Messages are still cryptic, and some files (ex. pthread_cond_wait.c) are just not available |
| 10:22.47 | nvz | boudiccas: you don't normally see a grub boot menu? |
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| 10:22.53 | boudiccas | no |
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| 10:23.48 | nvz | boudiccas: ah well then you'd have to hit tab right after the bios screen to stop it at the grub bootloader.. but if gnome works (didn't know you had that installed) I suppose you could work from there to look around |
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| 10:24.00 | boudiccas | nvz; no, i havent seen a grub boot menu since using debian |
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| 10:24.59 | boudiccas | lest go witht he gnome option please |
| 10:25.01 | nvz | apparently its esc not tab.. |
| 10:25.21 | nvz | boudiccas: well open a terminal and first check disk usage with df -Th |
| 10:25.40 | boudiccas | nvz; let me try that again, lets go with the gnome option please |
| 10:26.11 | nvz | boudiccas: or you could use the system monitor to see disk usage.. doesn't matter |
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| 10:27.45 | boudiccas | nvz; i only know 'konsole' from KDE and that loads with a black background, so i cant see any text on it. what other options are there please for a terminal? |
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| 10:28.05 | nvz | boudiccas: if you have gnome installed there should be "terminal" in Accessories |
| 10:28.35 | nvz | which is the gnome-terminal |
| 10:29.15 | nvz | doesn't help that you have to keep rebooting cause any messages showing disk errors would be getting lost |
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| 10:30.39 | boudiccas | nvz; right, i've used the cli and got a screen of disk usage, if you join #debian-flood then i'll post it there |
| 10:31.04 | nvz | boudiccas: I dont need to see it, just looking to see if any filesystems are near full or at 100% |
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| 10:32.04 | boudiccas | nvz; two lines coming up, the drives that are fullest ... /dev/sda9 ext3 120G 106G 7.6G 94% /home ..../dev/sda5 ext3 8.3G 7.2G 701M 92% /usr |
| 10:32.53 | nvz | thats good enoug |
| 10:33.26 | rly | If I click on an application, it is not opened above all the other windows, but instead stays minimized. Where is that configuration option? Window manager is metacity. |
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| 10:33.59 | nvz | rly: metacity should not be doing this, which app is it? |
| 10:34.16 | rly | nvz: all of them. |
| 10:35.24 | rly | nvz: I think it is just some setting. |
| 10:35.39 | rly | Anybody else with a working internet connection? |
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| 10:35.51 | rly | nvz: peer reset you! |
| 10:35.51 | boudiccas | rly; yes |
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| 10:36.16 | nvz | I seen that |
| 10:36.18 | rly | nvz: any other idea? |
| 10:36.33 | nvz | was looking in gconf I dont see any settings for metacity as I thought that could do that |
| 10:36.59 | rly | nvz: I think I solved it now. |
| 10:37.28 | rly | nvz: I had some large terminal buffer, which might have been configured like 'always on top' (but it was just on the task bar) |
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| 10:37.52 | rly | nvz: so, either it was the large size, or just that settings, but I would guess in all cases that it was a bug,. |
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| 10:38.41 | nvz | no clue what you are talkin about.. heh.. metacity has no feature though to do thigns as standard window options nor does it have per window options |
| 10:38.50 | nvz | hence why I'm running sawfish.. heh |
| 10:39.18 | nvz | boudiccas: so if you wanna install xfce, apt-get install xfce4 or find xfce4 in synaptic and install it |
| 10:39.22 | rly | nvz: If I have lots of windows open (desktop filled and no space available) and I create one terminal where I set the above all others option and then I minimize that one and then open a new terminal, it is opened _not_ on top. |
| 10:39.39 | rly | I think that's a reproducable bug. |
| 10:39.42 | boudiccas | nvz; i think that i'll stay with gnome as it works for me, and i'll reinstate my kde so that i can use kmail again for my mail where i've got a whole load of mails saved |
| 10:39.45 | nvz | boudiccas: if you wanna debug kde I would move those settings and run the kde components that are messing up one at a time manually from a termina; |
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| 10:40.47 | nvz | boudiccas: you will get much more support for gnome, its more widely understood in my experince where as with KDE you gotta search far and wide for someone knowledgable about it to help |
| 10:40.59 | nvz | cause generally people who know anything don't use it .. LOL |
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| 10:41.14 | boudiccas | nvz; i would rather use KDE but not when its acting crappily. i need something that works for me |
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| 10:41.43 | boudiccas | nvz; with time i'll get used to gnome, and learn my way around it |
| 10:42.04 | boudiccas | its all good practice for me :) |
| 10:42.04 | nvz | boudiccas: well the basic linux steps for troubleshooting wonky apps are to move its settings dir, run it from a terminal.. this 1) forces it to recreate its settings, and 2) allows you to see the stdout and stderr messages in the terminal |
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| 10:42.23 | nvz | boudiccas: if its still not giving you anything, you use things like strace and gdb |
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| 10:43.29 | nvz | boudiccas: in kde you have startkde which starts the session which runs kdesktop, kicker and kwin which are the desktop, panel, and window manager respectively.. |
| 10:43.44 | boudiccas | nvz; thanks for your help, i'll try restarting things from the cli and see what i can discover, and meanwhile get used to gnome |
| 10:44.23 | nvz | boudiccas: testing a window manager this way is a bit more complicated but most wms have a -replace option or you can stop your display manager and run X manually which starts it with nothing but a terminal and no wm at all so you can start one manually |
| 10:45.16 | nvz | boudiccas: as I understand it the kicker panel keeps it settings in ~/.kde/config/kickerrc or something like that |
| 10:45.33 | nvz | I haven't used KDE in AGES and didn't really fool with it much then. |
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| 10:45.59 | boudiccas | nvz; this is beginning to sound complicated, all i want to do is to use KDE/Gnome as my usual desktop and carry on as normal |
| 10:46.07 | nvz | boudiccas: on a side note as I said KDE is not real popular among debian supporters, so there is #debian-kde and #kde for more kde support |
| 10:47.14 | nvz | boudiccas: yeah you can use gnome and just run your kde apps from there if you like.. I'm just telling you basics of dealing with debugging these or any apps that may give you problems |
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| 10:47.34 | boudiccas | nvz; i did ask in #kde but they just suggested right clicking on the desktop and adding a panel, all of which i'd already done. then they didnt follow through with it with support |
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| 10:48.18 | nvz | boudiccas: well now you see why using KDE isn't such a good idea :-P |
| 10:48.31 | themill | searches for context |
| 10:48.43 | boudiccas | nvz; it does take some of the shine off its gloss :( |
| 10:48.45 | nvz | boudiccas: I used to like many kde apps like kate, k3b, amarok and such.. but I used them from gnome.. now I dont use em at all |
| 10:49.08 | themill | boudiccas: wayttd? |
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| 10:49.35 | boudiccas | nvz; i'll try running my favourite kde apps from gnaome, a mish-mash approach, but one that will work |
| 10:49.47 | boudiccas | themill; sorry? |
| 10:49.53 | themill | !wayttd |
| 10:49.53 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 10:50.41 | boudiccas | themill; getting kde to behave and have its panel at the bottom of the screen to hold the system clock, system tray, etc |
| 10:50.45 | rly | nvz: #debian-kde moved somewhere. |
| 10:50.55 | rly | boudiccas: heh |
| 10:51.00 | nvz | boudiccas: as for the framebuffer issue you can resolve that now more easily and perminently if you like by editing /etc/default/grub (as root) and adding nofb at the end of GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= and running update-grub (as root) |
| 10:51.05 | rly | boudiccas: I configured that at some point. |
| 10:51.08 | nvz | that way your ttys will work when you need them |
| 10:51.11 | themill | boudiccas: "get kde to behave" isn't helpful; the rest is the default |
| 10:51.22 | rly | boudiccas: I even had a discussion saying that it was 'too difficult for a normal user'. |
| 10:51.37 | rly | (I got it to work, but it is fairly insane) |
| 10:52.04 | rly | boudiccas: there is some way to put the system in 'configure' state. |
| 10:52.17 | rly | boudiccas: if you are in that state, you can add widgets. |
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| 10:52.23 | boudiccas | themill; kde has become corrupt and not show any desk panel at the bottom of the screen, so it has become unusabale |
| 10:52.26 | rly | boudiccas: there are websites explaining this. |
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| 10:52.33 | tawtaw | how do i setup permissions for 2 groups on one folder |
| 10:52.46 | rly | boudiccas: you can also 'just' delete your configuration. |
| 10:52.55 | themill | babilen: ahh.. useful information! So did you succeed in putting a panel at the bottom? (#debian-kde is on oftc btw) |
| 10:53.20 | nvz | themill: to catch you up, he was having all sorts of kde settings issue from his konsole being black on black, to his kicker panel not showing up.. simonlnu and I told him about renaming his ~/.kde and such and running kicker from a terminal.. says none of that made it work |
| 10:53.35 | rly | boudiccas: if you want to fix it, you have to run it in gdb all the time. |
| 10:53.41 | themill | yeah, it's no longer "kicker" in kde4 |
| 10:53.50 | rly | (and compile it yourself with tons of debugging symbols) |
| 10:53.56 | boudiccas | nvz; who is 'he'? i'm female! |
| 10:54.07 | nvz | themill: oh really? what's it called now? |
| 10:54.22 | themill | nvz: it's a plasma panel thingy.. it's not a separate process. |
| 10:54.23 | rly | boudiccas: are there females on the internet? |
| 10:54.34 | boudiccas | rly; here we go again |
| 10:54.44 | rly | boudiccas: sorry about that cheap joke. |
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| 10:55.17 | nvz | boudiccas: idk.. according to the rules of the internet there are not females.. besides there is no way for me to know either way. |
| 10:55.35 | nvz | themill: which process does it belong to then? |
| 10:55.50 | boudiccas | nvz; boudiccas is the name of a british queen who fought the romans in AD61 |
| 10:55.51 | nvz | themill: is there stil kdesktop and kwin or is it all one? |
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| 10:56.45 | nvz | boudiccas: I'm American.. we're ignorant people.. what can I say.. we think like columbus, that the world is flat and it ends at our borders.. the only thing most of us know beyond that is what the media and govt tells us |
| 10:56.51 | rly | I am so going to pretend I am a helpless girl wearing high heels running Linux and need desperate help next time :) |
| 10:57.22 | themill | nvz: kwin is still the WM; desktop widgets including wallpaper, task bar, systray, power meters and other useless widgets are all scripts ("plasmoids") within the plasma-desktop application. |
| 10:57.27 | mrhanky | you should afford nacked pics :D |
| 10:57.31 | boudiccas | my nick is so obscure that i dont mind explaining about it to those who are interested |
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| 10:57.45 | themill | that's not obscure! |
| 10:57.50 | nvz | themill: oh.. so thats why its so nasty looking now.. good to know I suppose |
| 10:58.01 | rly | It is not obsecure if one Google query explains it. |
| 10:58.08 | rly | obscure* |
| 10:58.10 | boudiccas | nvz; your apology is accepted :) you're forgiven, this time :)))) |
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| 11:00.58 | nvz | boudiccas: haha.. I read this thing the other day intended for dutch business people to understand their british collegues http://goo.gl/gFDah |
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| 11:01.41 | nvz | boudiccas: so I guess what that really means is "you're a bloody idiot" and what I understood was that you forgive me |
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| 11:02.36 | nvz | yeah us with 3 letter nicks are obscure |
| 11:02.52 | nvz | personally, some drifter I once knew gave me this name.. and I ran with it |
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| 11:06.31 | nvz | tawtaw: in short you don't |
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| 11:08.33 | nvz | tawtaw: the long answer requires a filesystem and kernel with acl support |
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| 11:09.24 | ChrizC | hi there, just installed ATi's non-free proprietary drivers, trying to configure multi-desktop. I have the desktops set up how I want them (xinerama), however, there is a lot of black space which the display can't be moved in to. it's moved as far as possible. any ideas? |
| 11:10.39 | nvz | runs and hides from questions wrt ATI drivers |
| 11:10.42 | tawtaw | nvz: could you expand on the you dont ? |
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| 11:10.57 | tawtaw | nvz: how would i go about doing this in the 'proper' way? |
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| 11:11.23 | nvz | tawtaw: well traditional linux file permissions are only for owner, group, none.. there is no option of having more than one owner or group.. you'd have to make it owned by a group and add both users to that group |
| 11:11.38 | nvz | erm owner, group, other |
| 11:12.02 | boudiccas | this is bugging me, how do i find out what my usb h/d is please? is it /media/usb1 or /media/usb0 ? |
| 11:12.05 | ChrizC | nobody here have any experience with ATi drivers? |
| 11:12.27 | nvz | tawtaw: for example lets say I have a samba share /srv/samba I could make it owned root:smbusers and then add the users who need access to the smbusers group |
| 11:12.40 | nb-ben | when I am trying to change my resolution to 1920x1080 (after creating the new mode using cvt-generated modeline) with xrandr, all I can see is a color-changing terminal caret on a blank screen\ |
| 11:12.46 | nb-ben | anybody know what that is? |
| 11:12.56 | nb-ben | I was thinking might be a driver issue, but it seem like xf86-video-intel does support my graphics card |
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| 11:13.48 | tawtaw | nvz: its like this i have /www/customer/ usually devs are in the admin group, now i want a person who should not have permissions to do anything be able to access this. (not the world just only this person) |
| 11:14.10 | ChrizC | it's as if the display is trying to physically connect with my other monitor, through the borders of the physical screen |
| 11:14.18 | tawtaw | nvz: to me it makes sense to add 2 groups one admin, and one temporarypeople (or whatever) |
| 11:14.19 | nikolam | I see etch files are not there. |
| 11:14.24 | ChrizC | how do I force a gap between them, so that the monitor displays properly? |
| 11:14.58 | nikolam | Is there some Debian etch mirror (4.0) still working? (I want to do install from floppies) |
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| 11:15.05 | nikolam | and update after that |
| 11:15.36 | nvz | tawtaw: what method do the devs and this person use to access this location? |
| 11:15.52 | nvz | tawtaw: and will they both be using the same methods? |
| 11:15.53 | tawtaw | nvz: lets say ftp |
| 11:16.06 | tawtaw | no, devs use ssh |
| 11:16.40 | converge | can someone help with with libvirt on debian ? the vm is not listed with virsh list command, but the image exist |
| 11:17.06 | nvz | tawtaw: sounding like you are gonna need acls |
| 11:17.10 | boudiccas | i have this line in my fstab ... /dev/sdc1 /media/usb1 auto rw,user,noauto,umask=0000 0 0 .............but it isnt getting mounted |
| 11:17.24 | boudiccas | so how do i mount it please? |
| 11:17.43 | tawtaw | nvz: is it not strange that this is not possible per default? |
| 11:18.02 | nvz | tawtaw: not really.. what filesystem are you using? |
| 11:18.40 | tawtaw | nvz: ext3 |
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| 11:19.00 | nvz | tawtaw: is this squeeze? |
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| 11:19.07 | inglor | Hello, how can I check with of my apt updates are critical? |
| 11:19.08 | tawtaw | nvz: yes |
| 11:19.32 | sephii | inglor: what do you mean by critical? |
| 11:19.49 | nvz | tawtaw: then basically you'd only have to add the acl option in fstab and remount the filesystem |
| 11:20.05 | tawtaw | nvz: sweet ill read up on this |
| 11:20.06 | inglor | sephii, well some updates are security ones |
| 11:20.07 | sephii | boudiccas: let me guess, if you type "mount -a" it gets mounted, but it doesn't get mounted at boot time? |
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| 11:20.11 | nvz | tawtaw: and to install the acl tools |
| 11:20.35 | tawtaw | nvz: great :) thanks alot |
| 11:20.38 | nvz | tawtaw: which should be in the acl package |
| 11:20.53 | boudiccas | the usb external hard drive mounted under KDE, but its not mounting under gnome, throwing up a error message saying ...Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with:mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so |
| 11:21.40 | inglor | sephii, on the debian server I am running I want to find out which of the updates I have are critical (security related I guess) |
| 11:22.19 | nvz | tawtaw: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions#Access_Control_Lists_in_Linux |
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| 11:23.26 | nvz | tawtaw: for additional info refer to any documentation or manpages for the acl package and its utilities setfacl and getfacl |
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| 11:25.37 | Aprendiz | I all |
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| 11:26.30 | Aprendiz | how can download the source of the package in debian? I have a problem in a package and I have found a patch I want to test |
| 11:26.44 | joltcan | Aprendiz: apt-source? |
| 11:27.03 | joltcan | sorry, brain tumor on my side |
| 11:27.04 | nvz | Aprendiz: apt-get source package, aptitude source package |
| 11:27.33 | Aprendiz | nvz: thanks, and next that have I to recompile all the package? |
| 11:27.47 | Aprendiz | nvz: or how can I test if works? |
| 11:27.51 | nvz | Aprendiz: there are tools for that as well. |
| 11:28.11 | joltcan | Aprendiz: sometimes you need apt-get build-dep as well, if the packages depends on -dev packages |
| 11:28.23 | boudiccas | sephii; no, the drive doesnt get mounted at all, even though its listed in the fstab |
| 11:28.37 | Aprendiz | nvz: which tools I need to do that? |
| 11:28.51 | nvz | Aprendiz: same tools.. either apt-get or aptitude |
| 11:29.08 | Aprendiz | nvz: I mean for recompiling or trying the patch |
| 11:29.11 | nvz | Aprendiz: options relating to building are "build-dep" and "-b". |
| 11:29.21 | Aprendiz | ok |
| 11:29.54 | nvz | Aprendiz: build-dep will get all dependancies needed to build, apt-get -b source packagename will do the build and packaging |
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| 11:30.33 | nvz | Aprendiz: you'd probably need build-essential package but then again the build-dep will probably take care of that |
| 11:30.55 | Aprendiz | nvz: It looks some difficult xD |
| 11:31.16 | nvz | Aprendiz: its a hell of a lot easier than it was for the person who made it the first time.. heh |
| 11:31.46 | Aprendiz | nvz: yep, I prefer to try the solution before open a bug in debian |
| 11:31.53 | nvz | Aprendiz: because when you pull source from debian using the package manager, it can automatically get all the build-deps with one command, then it can compile and repackage it using the debianized source provided |
| 11:31.53 | Aprendiz | nvz: I try that |
| 11:32.14 | ksk | do you guys have experience with "elrepo.org"? |
| 11:32.17 | nvz | Aprendiz: well first you should check the bts for the bug before doing anything |
| 11:32.37 | Aprendiz | nvz: how? |
| 11:32.51 | nvz | Aprendiz: bugs.debian.org/packagename |
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| 11:33.53 | nvz | Aprendiz: the proceedure for building a package from source is much like a simple sid backport only without pulling the source from sid (unstable) which is what you can do if the bug has been fixed in sid |
| 11:34.01 | nvz | !tell Aprendiz about ssb |
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| 11:35.51 | boudiccas | i have these lines in dmesg ............... [ 3469.454519] EXT3-fs: Unrecognized mount option "umask=0000" or missing value |
| 11:35.51 | boudiccas | [ 3469.635954] EXT3-fs: Unrecognized mount option "umask=0000" or missing value ...............how can i correct it please? |
| 11:35.57 | nvz | boudiccas: thats probably part of the reason why its not getting mounted BECAUSE its in fstab |
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| 11:36.20 | boudiccas | nvz; well it mounted under kde, but not in gnome |
| 11:36.26 | nvz | boudiccas: you can fix it in fstab or let gnome or whatever DE do its job and mount the removable media |
| 11:36.34 | inglor | How can I check from which repository an update is coming? |
| 11:36.48 | boudiccas | nvz; how can i fix it in fstab please? |
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| 11:36.58 | Aprendiz | nvz: It is some important error in the new stable but in de oldstable is working fine with a previous version |
| 11:37.03 | nvz | boudiccas: best option is to comment out the fstab line and let it mount it to /media/ like a normal removable drive, any options you need to set can be done in gconf |
| 11:37.16 | boudiccas | nvz; thanks |
| 11:37.48 | nvz | boudiccas: edit fstab and fix the invalid parameter umask=0000 which you probably meant umask=000 which is also dumb |
| 11:39.24 | nvz | boudiccas: the open desktop standard which all debian DE's are compliant with find removable media and mount it according to the FHS under the /media/ hierarchy which makes it show up right on the desktop and options can be set on a per-filesystem basis in gconf-editor |
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| 11:43.13 | Aprendiz | nvz: I have installed => aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep samba |
| 11:43.20 | Aprendiz | nvz: where are the .c files? |
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| 11:43.52 | nvz | Aprendiz: you didnt get the source yet.. build-dep only installs all the dependencies for the source, you have to apt-get source samba |
| 11:44.11 | nvz | Aprendiz: which will download the source code and it will be in tarballs in the current working directory |
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| 11:47.27 | Aprendiz | nvz: OK I have the code :D |
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| 11:48.34 | spal | there is no phpdoc package for debian? |
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| 11:49.34 | nvz | spal: php-doc |
| 11:49.41 | spal | thanks |
| 11:50.41 | nvz | I'm on a roll this morning.. which is nuts cause I've been up for 22hrs and rarely do I have answers to every question that gets asked |
| 11:51.00 | nvz | especially without a debian system in front of me.. heh |
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| 11:53.05 | spal | nvz, well, I meant the PHP document generator. this project: http://www.phpdoc.org/ |
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| 11:55.06 | Aprendiz | nvz: https://attachments.samba.org/attachment.cgi?id=6279 I don't know how to patch in the code ... |
| 11:56.02 | nvz | spal: well then no, and I dont see why that would matter, you can get it from that website and drop it into a LAMP configuration |
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| 11:56.42 | nvz | Aprendiz: using the patch command? |
| 11:57.41 | nikolaj_basher | Hi, is there a way to remove a specific textline in a file for the terminal (bash) |
| 11:57.44 | boudiccas | if i dont have the line in fstab for it i get ....... mount /media/usb1 mount: can't find /media/usb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab....... but if i do have th eline in fstab then i get ......mount /media/usb1 mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so |
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| 11:58.23 | boudiccas | so what am i to do to regain access to this usb external hard drive with all my backups on please? |
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| 12:01.10 | nvz | boudiccas: you just plug it in, and let gnome mount it |
| 12:01.30 | Aprendiz | nvz: but with what parameter? |
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| 12:03.28 | hikenboot | how do i install an older kernel on wheezy 2.6.36 instead of 3.1.1 |
| 12:03.34 | boudiccas | nvz; when i plug it in it spits out this message ..... Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so |
| 12:03.44 | nvz | Aprendiz: you are aware this patch is 9months old right? |
| 12:03.46 | trist4n | hikenboot: y |
| 12:04.02 | hikenboot | because proxmox ve doesnt have support for the 3.1.1 kernel yet |
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| 12:04.20 | Aprendiz | nvz: yes but I have a bug in samba package and that solution is the closer I have find |
| 12:04.22 | nvz | boudiccas: what is the filesystem type? and did you try what it said and look a dmesg? |
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| 12:05.18 | Aprendiz | nvz: and the last input is less than three months ago |
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| 12:05.45 | boudiccas | nvz; ext3, and yes ..... [ 3468.887911] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI disk[ 3469.454519] EXT3-fs: Unrecognized mount option "umask=0000" or missing value[ 3469.635954] EXT3-fs: Unrecognized mount option "umask=0000" or missing value |
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| 12:10.16 | nvz | idk on either issue at this point.. been awake way too long |
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| 12:10.50 | nvz | the filesystem should be able to be mounted with a simple mount -t ext3 /dev/sdc1 /mnt or such |
| 12:10.57 | boudiccas | nvz; i know the feeling, i only had one hours sleep last night |
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| 12:11.14 | nvz | beyond that I'm not sure where the hell its getting this information |
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| 12:11.33 | nvz | and apparently they stopped doing the mount options in gconf cause they thought its a bad idea |
| 12:11.50 | nvz | I didn't sleep at all last night |
| 12:12.04 | nvz | been up since around this time yesterday morning |
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| 12:13.14 | boudiccas | i went to bed last night at around 0400, got up at 0515 and was in the supermarket doing a big food shop at 0715, i feel knackered |
| 12:13.19 | nvz | and my back is all screwed up.. when I get too tired tension creeps up my spine and pulls things out of place and causes me all kinds of problems |
| 12:13.37 | nvz | thinking taking another muscle relaxer and going to sleep is in order |
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| 12:14.04 | boudiccas | nvz; then go rest and try to sleep or just unwind. we'll still be here when you return |
| 12:14.20 | nvz | was just taking advantage of my cousin working all night and having two machines at my disposal for a synergy/plusaudio kinda bliss going on |
| 12:14.32 | boudiccas | :) |
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| 12:15.59 | nvz | by this time of day should be many regulars on to answer questions I would think.. idk where everyone is |
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| 12:16.44 | boudiccas | nvz; Nurse boudiccas recommends sleep for you, night night :) |
| 12:16.54 | nvz | got one machine shutdown.. this one is going down momentairly after i clean up this crap and take another pill |
| 12:18.05 | nvz | heh pulled the pill back outta my mouth cause I'm so tired wasnt sure if I took the right one |
| 12:18.28 | nvz | damn zantac and flexril look vaguely similar when you're tired |
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| 12:19.46 | boudiccas | dont know about 'flexril' but zantac is also known as 'ranitidine' |
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| 12:20.15 | avernos | where can i read the logs from apache? i cant see any on syslog |
| 12:20.40 | trist4n | surely its intuitively named in /var/log somewhere? with a config file for sys log in /etc/conf./apache |
| 12:20.52 | trist4n | or somewhere. |
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| 12:21.04 | trist4n | logrotate.d |
| 12:21.08 | trist4n | should divulge its pathj |
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| 12:22.01 | nvz | flexeril/cyclobenzaprine is a muscle relaxer very similar to elavil chemically and metabollically which is an anti-depressant my doctor tried to put me on after telling the fool I'm not depressed and already humored his crackpot theory with the last anti-depressant that made me depressed among other issues it caused |
| 12:22.43 | boudiccas | ah, right. you have differetn names for your drugs hence me not recognising it |
| 12:22.48 | avernos | trist4n, right.. didnt see the folder :S ty |
| 12:23.01 | boudiccas | damn, RLS starting up |
| 12:23.23 | nvz | he tried to tell me they're not the same.. I put him in his place.. they both inhibit reuptake of same two neurotransmitters, just flexeril does it only to skeletal muscles and if you go to wolframalpha and do flexeril vs elavil they look nearly identical to someone whos not a damn biochemist |
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| 12:55.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | good bye debian stable :'( |
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| 12:58.08 | allorder | KaffeeJunky123: ? |
| 12:58.29 | KaffeeJunky123 | allorder: I'm going to wheezy |
| 12:58.47 | allorder | oh |
| 12:58.48 | KaffeeJunky123 | I'll miss Gnome 2.3 |
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| 12:59.07 | allorder | i hate gnome 3, good luck |
| 12:59.16 | KaffeeJunky123 | cya again when wheezy is stable |
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| 13:03.04 | sep | allisterb, I agree... what did you replaced it with ? |
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| 13:11.45 | zedr | the peaceful bliss of Debian |
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| 13:12.30 | zedr | the distro with the lowest signal-to-noise ratio in Linux |
| 13:13.38 | koollman | that's not true. just say 'ubuntu'. and then listen to the noise :) |
| 13:14.01 | zaltekk | i tried to ask a question in #ubuntu before |
| 13:14.08 | zaltekk | but it was in scrollback before 5 seconds |
| 13:14.21 | zedr | koollman: it's like piping /dev/urandom to a /dev/dsp |
| 13:14.40 | nsadmin | a lower s/n means less s |
| 13:15.08 | koollman | zedr: hmm. you know ... a long time ago, I did write a filter to get a better 'sound' when doing that kind of piping :) |
| 13:16.39 | zedr | typical #ubuntu is: HOW DO I RUN SKYRIM IN LINUX HELP MEH |
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| 13:17.41 | nsadmin | believe me there can be noise here too |
| 13:17.56 | boudiccas | oh no there isn't |
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| 13:18.06 | digdilem_ | all lies |
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| 13:18.31 | digdilem_ | damn, I broke it |
| 13:18.54 | nsadmin | you broke the damn?! |
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| 13:21.11 | zedr | nsadmin: dambusters! |
| 13:22.01 | zedr | my favourite setting: high in the Norwegian mountains, it is now 1942 |
| 13:23.20 | boudiccas | its dark, its nearly 1945 |
| 13:23.35 | boudiccas | and we stop for a meal in the guide hut at 2000 |
| 13:24.09 | boudiccas | zedr; and we're off topic :) |
| 13:24.12 | zedr | directed by M. Night Shymalayan |
| 13:24.19 | nkuttler | !ot |
| 13:24.20 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 13:24.21 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic |
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| 13:24.57 | Twinkletoes | Just a general question... how do I find out who is the bot fo rthis channel, and also find out the things it can tell me? |
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| 13:25.38 | ksk | Twinkletoes: its dpkg, query him "help" |
| 13:25.38 | abrotman | Twinkletoes: who is the bot? we have more than one bot .. depends what type of info you want |
| 13:26.08 | Twinkletoes | Well, I Want to know how to find the info... and also if I'm helping someone, get the bot to tell something to it... ilke how to ask a question etc. |
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| 13:26.38 | abrotman | !tell Twinkletoes about your factoids |
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| 13:27.06 | Twinkletoes | Ah, thank you |
| 13:27.09 | lolufail_ | hi! |
| 13:27.35 | lolufail_ | upgrade lenny -> sqeeze wants to pull in apache2... how can I find out which package does that / avoid that? |
| 13:27.44 | abrotman | lolufail_: aptitude why foo |
| 13:27.49 | sKeiths | i'm looking for info on linking accounts of two machine so I only need to create user once and share the password between machines. any idea what i should be searching for |
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| 13:28.22 | lolufail_ | i phpmyadmin Recommends apache2 | lighttpd | httpd |
| 13:28.24 | abrotman | sKeiths: you want a shared authentication, like ldap,nis,samba,kerberos .. to name a few |
| 13:28.36 | abrotman | lolufail_: do you use phpmyadmin ? |
| 13:28.36 | lolufail_ | how can I let that one be ignored, I have nginx for that |
| 13:28.44 | lolufail_ | abrotman: yes |
| 13:28.52 | abrotman | does nginx provide 'httpd' ? |
| 13:29.02 | lolufail_ | abrotman: aparently not |
| 13:29.14 | abrotman | lolufail_: it does |
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| 13:29.19 | abrotman | judd: provides nginx |
| 13:29.21 | judd | Package nginx in squeeze/i386 provides: httpd. |
| 13:29.41 | lolufail_ | abrotman: I'm using the official package from nginx.org |
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| 13:29.56 | lolufail_ | abrotman: http://wiki.nginx.org/Install#Official_Debian.2FUbuntu_packages |
| 13:30.08 | lolufail_ | damn. |
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| 13:31.13 | abrotman | lolufail_: well, can't tell what to do then .. if they don't provide good packages, perhaps you shouldn't use it .. |
| 13:31.34 | abrotman | lolufail_: you can also install phpmyadmin without recommends |
| 13:31.45 | themill | lolufail_: it's also only a recommends... so there's not really anything to have it ignore |
| 13:32.10 | boudiccas | how can i change the permissions of /media/usb0/data from root to all users please? |
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| 13:33.07 | lolufail_ | themill: how can I let only this be ignored during upgrade? maybe the other recommendations make sense... --without-recommends is too hard? |
| 13:33.26 | themill | too hard in what sense? |
| 13:34.10 | lolufail_ | maybe this leaves some stuff that I might need uninstalled ;) |
| 13:34.11 | lolufail_ | dunno |
| 13:34.30 | abrotman | or remove phpmyadmin for now .. install it later without reocmmends |
| 13:35.00 | lolufail_ | abrotman: good idea, thx :) |
| 13:35.14 | themill | lolufail_: you can tell aptitude not to install those packages on the same command line (or at the Y/n/q interactive resolved prompt) |
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| 13:36.41 | lolufail_ | themill: oh! how?! couldnt figure that one out, "aptitude dist-upgrade remove apache2" didnt work ;) |
| 13:36.55 | themill | why would you be dist-upgrading? |
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| 13:41.45 | lolufail_ | themill: lenny -> squeeze |
| 13:42.08 | lolufail_ | lenny EOL |
| 13:42.20 | themill | recommends aren't normally considered during upgrades |
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| 13:45.09 | jelly | wasn't lenny->squeeze supposed to work betterer with apt-get |
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| 13:47.04 | colo-work | jelly, I have a box running that was upgraded from sarge right up to squeeze via apt-get |
| 13:47.26 | jelly | colo-work: 3.0 was "woody" |
| 13:47.27 | colo-work | I shot openldap/slapd on one occasion, and dovecot on another - but other than that, everything went smooth |
| 13:48.25 | colo-work | yeah, I know. why do you mention that though? :) |
| 13:48.42 | jelly | no reason |
| 13:48.53 | jelly | colo-work: but. Each release upgrade has different recommendations; For lenny->squeeze IN PARTICULAR, apt-get dist-upgrade was supposed to create less issues than the aptitude equivalent |
| 13:48.54 | colo-work | (I'm not talking about the box I stumbled over yesterday or so, which is still on woody to this day) |
| 13:49.02 | colo-work | I see. |
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| 14:04.14 | Joint | hey can someone help me with this error "/usr/share/modass/packages/default.sh" build KVERS=3.2.0-rc4-686-pae KSRC=/lib/modules/3.2.0-rc4-686-pae/build KDREV=3.2~rc4-1~experimental.1 kdist_image |
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| 14:10.31 | avernos | do i need to enable virtualhosts in apache conf to be able to use them? or just adding them on sites-enabled/available would do |
| 14:10.32 | avernos | ? |
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| 14:20.49 | cnu | is it possible to install a (-dev) package without all the dependencies? i just want a few header files, but apt-get drags in the whole X server thing =x |
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| 14:22.17 | jelly | cnu: no, but try --no-install-recommends |
| 14:22.29 | cnu | already did that, doesn't help |
| 14:22.32 | themill | cnu: specifically which package are you installing? |
| 14:22.39 | cnu | libmagickwand-dev |
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| 14:31.10 | Joint | hello can someone help me with my laptop driver i have an hp 620 |
| 14:31.16 | Joint | I'm having issues with the wireless |
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| 14:32.50 | nkuttler | Joint: pastebin the output of lspci |
| 14:33.00 | Joint | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-2.fw for module r8169 |
| 14:33.01 | Joint | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-1.fw for module r8169 |
| 14:33.06 | Joint | I'm having that issues |
| 14:33.18 | nkuttler | !tell Joint about r8169 |
| 14:33.59 | Joint | i read nkuttler |
| 14:34.01 | Joint | what can i do? |
| 14:34.05 | Joint | I'm a little bit lost |
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| 14:34.35 | nkuttler | Joint: try installing the firmware-realtek package |
| 14:34.41 | Joint | i did |
| 14:34.54 | Joint | firmware-realtek is already the newest version. |
| 14:34.58 | gnugr | and wireless-tools? |
| 14:35.03 | Joint | 3.2.0-rc4-686-pae |
| 14:35.11 | Joint | same |
| 14:35.20 | Joint | wireless-tools is already the newest version. |
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| 14:35.32 | Joint | everything works but the wireless with debian |
| 14:35.37 | Joint | on ubuntu it runs fine |
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| 14:36.44 | Joint | so do i have support with this kernel? |
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| 14:36.53 | nkuttler | Joint: if you have an ubuntu install just copy the firmware i guess. can't find it |
| 14:37.08 | Joint | how can i do such thing? |
| 14:37.40 | Joint | Ok I'm on the ubuntu partition |
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| 14:38.03 | nkuttler | Joint: cp /mnt/ubuntu/lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f* /lib/firmware/ |
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| 14:38.45 | lcof | hi there, working on debian etch and apache/2.2.3, I would need to kill php sessions. Tried to rm /usr/lib/php5/sess_*, but this do not seem to destroy sessions, as files there are recreated. |
| 14:38.51 | nkuttler | actually... i have several rtl8168[de] files in there.. not sure why your kernel is looking for f |
| 14:39.05 | Joint | nkuttler, so i can use the wireless ;) |
| 14:39.06 | Joint | perhaps? |
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| 14:39.16 | nkuttler | Joint: try it and see |
| 14:39.23 | Joint | ok |
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| 14:40.27 | Joint | ok nkuttler i'm there |
| 14:40.39 | Joint | i see 3 versions of the fw |
| 14:40.54 | Joint | rtl8168e-3.fw |
| 14:40.56 | Joint | that one? |
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| 14:42.37 | nkuttler | Joint: whichever files appear in your error |
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| 14:43.17 | Joint | ok |
| 14:43.19 | Joint | now how can i try it? |
| 14:43.24 | Joint | if the driver works or not? |
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| 14:46.17 | Joint | same error |
| 14:47.48 | Twinkletoes | Is there a name given to the process when you consider the likelihood of IT failure happening, against the cost if it *did* happen, and the cost required to make sure it didn't happen? |
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| 14:49.01 | gnugr | Joint: please try "iwconfig wlan0" and pastebin us the output |
| 14:49.21 | Joint | wlan0 No such device |
| 14:49.26 | nkuttler | Joint: which command did you use that gave you the same error? |
| 14:49.45 | Joint | copy the modules to my /lib/modules and then i did m-a a-i |
| 14:50.13 | nkuttler | Twinkletoes: risk assessment? cost benefit analysis? |
| 14:50.18 | gnugr | m-a a-i <package> ? |
| 14:50.27 | Joint | yeah gnugr |
| 14:50.30 | Twinkletoes | nkuttler: Risk assessment sounds food... risk mitigation? |
| 14:50.45 | nkuttler | Joint: what are you using m-a for? |
| 14:50.53 | Joint | to install the damn module |
| 14:50.57 | Joint | so i can use my wireless |
| 14:51.02 | nkuttler | Joint: and your kernel looked in a different directory |
| 14:51.05 | nkuttler | Joint: firmware != module |
| 14:51.16 | gnugr | Joint: did m-a update build-alternatives? |
| 14:51.41 | Joint | Updated infos about 41 packages |
| 14:51.44 | Joint | that's about it |
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| 14:52.19 | boudiccas | how do i change the permissions of a folder that was under user$=boztu on KDE, but when running gnome is root? |
| 14:52.54 | Joint | Running "m-a -f get firmware-linux-free" may help. |
| 14:52.54 | Joint | "/usr/share/modass/packages/default.sh" build KVERS=3.2.0-rc4-686-pae KSRC=/lib/modules/3.2.0-rc4-686-pae/build KDREV=3.2~rc4-1~experimental.1 kdist_image |
| 14:52.54 | Joint | find: `/usr/src/modules/firmware*': No such file or directory |
| 14:53.01 | Joint | damn sorry about the paste wrong window |
| 14:53.07 | boudiccas | i want it to be 'user$=boztu again please? |
| 14:53.10 | nkuttler | Joint: re-read your error, put the firmware files in the right place. m-a doesn't load firmware, you'll probably have to reload the kernel modules |
| 14:53.35 | Joint | damn I'm so lost honestly first time it happens |
| 14:53.40 | nkuttler | Joint: also please pastebin that lspci output i asked for |
| 14:54.04 | nkuttler | oh wait you said ubuntu supports the card. never mind then |
| 14:54.27 | Joint | http://pastebin.com/dbDxe1qj |
| 14:54.28 | Joint | there it is |
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| 14:54.44 | Joint | yeah on ubuntu it works fine. |
| 14:54.50 | gnugr | boudiccas: where you want to change permissions? |
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| 14:55.28 | boudiccas | gnugr; of /media/usb0/data |
| 14:56.01 | Joint | nkuttler, so no luck for me? |
| 14:56.10 | nkuttler | Joint: re-read your error, put the firmware files in the right place. m-a doesn't load firmware, you'll probably have to reload the kernel modules |
| 14:56.20 | gnugr | boudiccas:to give permissions to user? |
| 14:56.42 | boudiccas | gnugr; yes, to user 'boztu' |
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| 14:58.03 | gnugr | boudiccas: try "chown -R boztu:boztu /media/usb0/data */" |
| 14:58.12 | boudiccas | k, thanks gnugr |
| 14:58.52 | Joint | damn no luck |
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| 14:59.17 | boudiccas | gnugr; it says ......... /media/usb0/data': Operation not permitted .... :( |
| 14:59.31 | boudiccas | gnugr; done as root from cli |
| 14:59.39 | gnugr | do you try as root? |
| 14:59.51 | gnugr | oh ok |
| 14:59.59 | gnugr | hm |
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| 15:00.25 | lduros | are Epiphany and Gnome Web Browser the same? |
| 15:00.45 | lduros | Gnome 3 in Debian Wheezy now ships with Gnome Web Browser as default, not IceWeasel? |
| 15:01.10 | lstarnes | lduros: it is from what I can see |
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| 15:01.59 | gnugr | boudiccas: do you know how to use mc? |
| 15:02.13 | rly | With which application can I add metadata to a PNG file? |
| 15:02.14 | lduros | hmm ok |
| 15:02.17 | boudiccas | gnugr; no, but i'm willing to learn |
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| 15:03.06 | gnugr | boudiccas: with mc you can chown to a specific file |
| 15:03.33 | Iridos | mc! |
| 15:03.38 | gnugr | yes |
| 15:03.46 | boudiccas | gnugr; just installing it now |
| 15:03.54 | Iridos | never seen the point of that |
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| 15:04.35 | Joint | nice i got it working |
| 15:04.36 | Joint | ;) |
| 15:04.38 | Joint | about freaking time |
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| 15:04.55 | fly_80 | hello |
| 15:05.26 | Iridos | or any other file manager... |
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| 15:06.24 | html | hi |
| 15:06.30 | Iridos | the only thing I've ever found that's kind of tedious on a shell are mass-renames that don't follow a scriptable pattern |
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| 15:07.09 | boudiccas | Iridos; how do i change the permissions of a folder that was under user$=boztu on KDE, but when running gnome is root? |
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| 15:07.42 | Psy-Q | hi |
| 15:08.14 | Psy-Q | how can i change the KDE/qt theme settings without installing all of KDE? i installed "systemsettings" but that by default of course has no settings plugins to change themes. what's that one called? |
| 15:08.19 | hikenboot | is it possible to downgrade from a 3.1 kernel to a 2.6.35/36 kernel |
| 15:08.30 | Iridos | boudiccas, depends to what permissions... chmod and possibly chown |
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| 15:09.36 | boudiccas | Iridos; its of /media/usb0/data, changed /from/ root to user boztu |
| 15:10.32 | Iridos | what exactly is it you want to do? |
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| 15:10.55 | Iridos | this is a usb stick and you're user boztu and can't access it? |
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| 15:11.20 | boudiccas | change the permissions of of /media/usb0/data [my mobile phone] from 'root' to user 'boztu' so that i can upload files to it |
| 15:11.35 | Iridos | that's (probably) not a permission problem |
| 15:11.45 | Iridos | what filesystem is /media/usb0/data |
| 15:12.04 | boudiccas | Iridos; it worked okay under KDE, but doesnt allow me access to it as user under gnome |
| 15:12.07 | Iridos | mount tells you |
| 15:12.14 | boudiccas | Iridos; vfat |
| 15:12.14 | Iridos | ha |
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| 15:12.23 | Iridos | right... that doesn't have permissions |
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| 15:12.51 | Iridos | so you logged in as root, then plugged in the phone, then became a user? |
| 15:12.53 | boudiccas | then why cant i access it to upload files to? |
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| 15:12.57 | rookie84 | hi |
| 15:13.00 | Iridos | err... I wonder what for? |
| 15:13.22 | rookie84 | is there any tracking/monitoring tool i can install for my webserver? an easy to install |
| 15:13.36 | Iridos | I'm not using KDE... but it's extremely likely that some part of KDE mounts it for you... |
| 15:13.36 | boudiccas | Iridos; no, i only ever log in as user. so that i can listen to podcasts in the early hours when i'm awake with my insomnia |
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| 15:13.59 | boudiccas | Iridos; but i'm using gnome now instead of kde |
| 15:14.12 | Iridos | and you said you're logged in as root |
| 15:14.20 | boudiccas | no, as user |
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| 15:14.37 | boudiccas | it has root permissions which block me from uploading to it |
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| 15:15.51 | Iridos | the unix-permissions you see are made up for the sake of the linux system, which requires them... vfat doesn't have those |
| 15:16.36 | boudiccas | Iridos; when i right click on the folder, and go to permissions in the gui for it, it says that its all owned by root |
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| 15:16.59 | boudiccas | folder > properties > permissions = root |
| 15:17.17 | Iridos | yes... because, obviously, something went wrong and it's not mounted to simulate it's mounted by the gnome-user but by root |
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| 15:17.36 | Iridos | when you type mount, you should see something like |
| 15:17.42 | Iridos | /dev/sdf1 on /media/ringstick2 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush) |
| 15:17.45 | Iridos | for the device |
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| 15:18.31 | rookie84 | does anyone know of a monitoring tool i can install? |
| 15:18.32 | Iridos | hm... actually I wonder about the path... /media/usb0 isn't where gnome would automatically mount it... the path I showed /media/<diskname> is |
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| 15:18.51 | rookie84 | to view my memory usage and stuff like that for my webserver? |
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| 15:19.20 | boudiccas | Iridos; it was set up under kde, but i've now moved my desktop to gnome |
| 15:19.29 | Iridos | hikenboot, your old kernel is not normally removed when you install an additional one... you should be able to just select it on boot... |
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| 15:20.21 | Iridos | Psy-Q, did you try something like... "apt-cache search kde themes"? |
| 15:20.50 | Iridos | Psy-Q, if you know how some of the files you need are called, apt-file might be your friend, too |
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| 15:22.11 | Iridos | rookie84, you mean a log analyzer? like... analog? (that exists for ages... and I last used it ages ago, though) |
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| 15:22.39 | Iridos | rookie84, oh... memory... atop? |
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| 15:23.24 | Iridos | boudiccas, but it was mounted right now, I guess... can you paste the line you get for it from mount here? |
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| 15:23.59 | boudiccas | Iridos; i havent been able to mount it since starting to use gnome this morning |
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| 15:24.19 | X0Rc0re | http://tinychat.com/hacktheplanet |
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| 15:25.39 | Psy-Q | Iridos: yeah, i couldn't find anything that actually switches themes |
| 15:25.46 | Psy-Q | Iridos: it must've been renamed to something obscure |
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| 15:28.17 | boudiccas | Iridos; i've just discovered that theres no entry for it in fstab, so i've added the following line to it, which isnt working yet ......... dev/sdc2 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto,umask=0000 0 \ 0 |
| 15:28.52 | boudiccas | Iridos; but i'm not sure if it is /dev/sdc2. i dont know how to find out |
| 15:29.05 | Iridos | boudiccas, no... there's never one in fstab... it's all autodetected/automounted when you plug the usb in |
| 15:29.11 | rookie84 | anyone please? i need a memory stats/monitoring web tool? |
| 15:29.25 | boudiccas | rookie84; vnstat |
| 15:29.27 | rookie84 | a graphical view of the memory stats |
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| 15:29.34 | rookie84 | on my webserver |
| 15:29.42 | Iridos | boudiccas, you can't really do this, as those drives change their device... the device is only created when you plug the usb-stick (or phone in your case) in |
| 15:29.55 | rookie84 | boudiccas: that is a command or webserver tool? |
| 15:30.57 | boudiccas | Iridos; well, i've plugged it in and said on the phone that i want to connect to the computer, but gnome gives me no recognition of its presence. whereas kde used to show a box from the widget in the system tray |
| 15:30.59 | Iridos | boudiccas, so what might now be hdc1, could next time become hdd1 (if you have some other stick plugged in already) |
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| 15:31.10 | boudiccas | rookie84; command |
| 15:31.19 | boudiccas | Iridos; yes |
| 15:31.25 | rookie84 | i need some webserver tool |
| 15:31.35 | rookie84 | that will show graphically the memory stats? |
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| 15:32.18 | rookie84 | aw-stats will do? |
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| 15:32.57 | Iridos | boudiccas, what does this give you: dpkg -l |awk '/^ii.*mount/{printf $2 " "}' |
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| 15:33.34 | boudiccas | Iridos; libgtkdatabox-0.9.1-1 mount pmount usbmount [boztu:Fri Dec 16 15:33:12 @~]$ [502]>; |
| 15:33.53 | Iridos | then I strongly suspect it's usbmount doing the mounting for you |
| 15:34.02 | Marezz | Hello everyone! :) |
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| 15:34.26 | boudiccas | Iridos; but it doesnt seem to be working well, if at all, under gnome, but it under kde |
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| 15:34.36 | Iridos | boudiccas, hm, if you keep using gnome, you could probably just uninstall it and let gnome do the mounting |
| 15:34.38 | Psy-Q | what might the snap-in be called that changes themes in KDE (for the "systemsettings" tool)? |
| 15:34.40 | boudiccas | but it did under kde |
| 15:34.48 | Iridos | boudiccas, it works... it seems misconfigured, though |
| 15:35.03 | boudiccas | Iridos; k, thanks i'll try it |
| 15:35.03 | fly_80 | how can I get a substring of file basename from a bash script? I.e. fooname-suffix.jpg ... i would like to get the part "suffix" |
| 15:35.20 | Iridos | boudiccas, I dunno if it did anything under KDE... obviously it's a race... several different things trying to mount the thing first... who can say what wins? |
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| 15:36.24 | boudiccas | Iridos; right, its removed so i'll try plugging the phone in again |
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| 15:38.23 | boudiccas | Iridos; result! its been seen and loaded .......... thanks |
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| 15:38.39 | gunfire007 | previously i used ubuntu and arch in it to configure ppp net connection was quite easy, now i am having difficult time to start net in debain !! :( |
| 15:38.42 | gunfire007 | how can i do it ?? |
| 15:39.22 | gunfire007 | if possible give me some link or information on it.. |
| 15:39.45 | abrotman | pppconfig ? |
| 15:39.49 | Iridos | boudiccas, the other way is to edit /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf - you can change FS_MOUNTOPTIONS as indicated in the text for vfat filesystems (which gives access to all user in the floppy group) or to simply -fstype=vfat,dmask=0000,fmask=0111", which gives anyone on the system access to usb drives |
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| 15:41.01 | gunfire007 | abrotman: i tried pppoeconf but failed. |
| 15:41.17 | gunfire007 | pppoeconf in ubuntu and pppoe-start in arch |
| 15:41.52 | abrotman | pppoeconf is in Debian also |
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| 15:42.36 | gunfire007 | abrotman: it says no command found |
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| 15:43.30 | Psy-Q | well, the real problem is that qt apps look like shit by default here |
| 15:43.40 | Psy-Q | that's why i want to change the KDE theme, which doesn't seem possible without KDE :) |
| 15:44.03 | Psy-Q | interface elements are cut off, pulldowns don't go to the full width, whichever is the default KDE theme in wheezy right now is broken |
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| 15:45.12 | boudiccas | Iridos; thanks, i may well do that but we'll see |
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| 15:47.06 | sephii | gunfire007: apt-get install pppoeconf? |
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| 15:48.07 | gunfire007 | sephii: without the net connection how can i get it... |
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| 15:48.47 | sephii | gunfire007: put the .deb package on a usb key from the computer you use to connect to this channel |
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| 15:51.12 | abrotman | gunfire007: install it ? |
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| 15:53.16 | sephii | fly_80: use `cut` |
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| 15:54.23 | gunfire007 | sephii: :) ok silly thing i was missing... |
| 15:54.39 | gunfire007 | sephii: can you tell me the steps how can i install that .deb package ? |
| 15:55.02 | sephii | gunfire007: dpkg -i yourpackage.deb |
| 15:55.10 | abrotman | fly_80: or awk |
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| 15:56.13 | fly_80 | sephii, cut seems to work inside the file? |
| 15:56.45 | sephii | fly_80: you can pipe content to it |
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| 15:57.34 | gunfire007 | sephii: got the package now installing it :) |
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| 15:57.35 | fly_80 | sephii, i just want to extract a suffix from a filename |
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| 15:58.11 | abrotman | fly_80: you can use cut or awk .. `echo "file.ext" | awk -F\. '{print $2}'` |
| 15:58.14 | Galaxor | The dbndns package seems to be in lenny and in sid, but not in squeeze. What's up with that? |
| 15:58.56 | boudiccas | Iridos; hot on the heels of a succesful phone mounting, i've managed to get my external usb hard drive mounted which i use for backups. its mounted at ..../media/8eef3b99-c17b-4913-ae61-d34c7fd5d459 ........is this a constant value so that i can add it to my rsync script for backups please? |
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| 15:59.41 | Galaxor | Hm. Answer: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=613230 |
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| 16:02.50 | mfp | I'm trying to boot a squeeze EBS image on EC2, dies in initrd phase with "mount: mounting /dev/xvda1 on /root failed: No such file or directory" even though I've made sure both exist (added a couple ls -l to a custom initrd) http://pastebin.com/tWCBHPJV any ideas? |
| 16:03.29 | boudiccas | Iridos; yes, it is a constant, as i've just unplugged it and then plugged it back in, and its kept the same folder name as .. /media/8eef3b99-c17b-4913-ae61-d34c7fd5d459 |
| 16:06.16 | Justin | boudiccas: yes, but if you use e2label you can probably assign it a better name |
| 16:06.42 | boudiccas | e2label? never heard of that |
| 16:06.59 | boudiccas | Justin; what does it do please? |
| 16:07.07 | Justin | labels an ext2/3/4 filesystem |
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| 16:07.25 | boudiccas | hmmm |
| 16:07.46 | Justin | what you see there is the uuid, which is guaranteed to be unique, just not very user friendly |
| 16:08.45 | boudiccas | Justin; its okay, its in a script which is called by the users crontab, so doesnt very easily see the light of day |
| 16:08.58 | DogBoy | boudiccas, there is some info about it here: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/MountDisksByLabel |
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| 16:19.07 | gcbirzan | Hm. Was sun's java removed from sid? |
| 16:19.23 | mjt | yes |
| 16:19.42 | gcbirzan | Shouldn't it disappear from packages.debian.org too? :P |
| 16:19.54 | mjt | no, because it is still in squeeze and lenny |
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| 16:22.53 | gcbirzan | mjt: yeah, but it's listed in sid |
| 16:23.38 | gcbirzan | and all the links 404, which had me quite confused for a while :P |
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| 16:33.34 | GyroTarzan | Hi im just started using debian, when i edited a file against putty, how do i save my changes? |
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| 16:34.17 | hivemind | sup |
| 16:34.50 | CrazyGir | hello! how can I |
| 16:34.53 | CrazyGir | oops.. |
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| 16:36.10 | hivemind | Please, help me. I installed Debian 6 and can't connect to the internet. In Ubuntu i'm can use nm-applet and wvdial, but debian has no wvdial or nm-applet. How i can connect? I'm using 3G-modem |
| 16:36.23 | CrazyGir | am I correct in understanding that if you have include more than one DNS server in resolv.conf, will they be tried in succession, if the first nameservers listed fail? |
| 16:36.39 | Justin | hivemind: debian has both network manager and wvdial |
| 16:36.49 | CrazyGir | hivemind: aptitute to install those apps? |
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| 16:37.11 | hivemind | how? i can't connect to the internet, then i can't use aptitude install |
| 16:37.15 | Dulak | CrazyGir: yes up to 3 nameservers in resolv.conf will be searched in order, with normal dns timeouts between them |
| 16:37.53 | Justin | hivemind: how did you install debian? |
| 16:37.59 | hivemind | CD |
| 16:38.03 | Justin | which cd? |
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| 16:38.13 | CrazyGir | hrm, if I add a private DNS server at the end, requests that ought to be resolved by that last entry will still fail when last, but succeed when before my ISP's entry |
| 16:38.13 | hivemind | first |
| 16:38.28 | Justin | hivemind: what was the name of the ISO you downloaded |
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| 16:38.42 | hivemind | wait a minute... |
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| 16:39.19 | TiMiDo | hey debian lately is getting freaking buggier uvcvideo now it crushed on me. |
| 16:39.21 | TiMiDo | that's odd. |
| 16:39.21 | jhutchins_wk | CrazyGir: RIght. It reaches the first server and gets a reply so it quits. |
| 16:39.26 | boudiccas | ,versions gnome |
| 16:39.27 | judd | Package: gnome on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+7; sid: 1:3.0+6; wheezy: 1:3.0+6 |
| 16:39.49 | hivemind | Justin, Debian 6.0.3 i386 CD-1 |
| 16:40.05 | CrazyGir | jhutchins_wk: how does that not contradict what Dulak is saying, along with the logic behind having multiple entries in resolv.conf? |
| 16:40.07 | Dulak | CrazyGir: the private space has to be served first, otherwise it will fail on a 'real' dns server |
| 16:40.14 | CrazyGir | I see |
| 16:40.28 | CrazyGir | but that still seems illogical |
| 16:40.52 | jhutchins_wk | I think you can tune that with the nsswitch file. |
| 16:41.00 | Dulak | CrazyGir: the real server will see it's not a real address so it gives an 'NXDOMAIN' record instead of a search error |
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| 16:41.05 | hivemind | uh, i can download wvdial package and the dependencies from windows |
| 16:41.43 | jhutchins_wk | CrazyGir: You can set the local DNS to resolve global addresses and cache the results for efficiency. |
| 16:41.56 | CrazyGir | Dulak: sure, but I don't see why the network manager / dns client on my side would not then say "ok, I need to ask the next entry/server I am told to query" |
| 16:42.11 | CrazyGir | jhutchins_wk: is that not done by default? |
| 16:42.27 | Dulak | CrazyGir: so since it issues a record and not an error, your local resolver gives up and spits back the record, where as if it were an error it would go to the next server in the list. |
| 16:42.30 | jhutchins_wk | CrazyGir: Depends on who set up the server. |
| 16:42.32 | CrazyGir | jhutchins_wk: is that configured in resolv.conf? |
| 16:42.48 | jhutchins_wk | CrazyGir: I think it's in nsswitch. |
| 16:42.58 | CrazyGir | jhutchins_wk: oh, by local address you mean the private DNS server I referred to? |
| 16:43.25 | jhutchins_wk | CrazyGir: nsswitch.conf |
| 16:43.40 | jhutchins_wk | CrazyGir: Yes, local/private |
| 16:43.52 | CrazyGir | ok, I thought you meant my local DNS client |
| 16:44.08 | CrazyGir | hmmm |
| 16:44.52 | Dulak | CrazyGir: there is a difference between an error, and a 'no domain found' record, if the server you are talking to went to the root dns to lookup the address and recieved a 'no domain' entry, it's authoritative, since it's from the root servers, it's not an error, it's a record. |
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| 16:45.01 | jhutchins_wk | A DNS server can be set to cache, to always relay unresolved requests, or to tell the client the request is invalid. |
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| 16:46.09 | Dulak | CrazyGir: and jhutchins is right, you can tune your local resolver to handle things any way you prefer, it has a config file for tuning how it handles things |
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| 16:46.48 | dnai23 | hi, does anyone know a good book/howto/tut/documentation for setting up a lightweight mailserver (imap)? |
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| 16:48.05 | CrazyGir | ok, so all of this started because I wanted to consider different ways of solving a different problem. my resolv.conf gets overriden with the periodic updates from my DHCP (ISP/modem). I went through network manager, but I am using etc/network/interfaces to setup a dhcp bridge, so there is nothing really available via the nm applet, and so I can't "prefix" the DNS servers to resolve against |
| 16:48.19 | CrazyGir | dnai23: take a look at iredmail |
| 16:48.33 | CrazyGir | setting up email is a nasty project |
| 16:48.52 | jhutchins_wk | CrazyGir: There is a config file for the dhcp client that can tell it to not override the DNS server or to insert the private one first. |
| 16:48.53 | CrazyGir | so many components between SMTP, POP/IMAP, admin, webmail, etc |
| 16:49.05 | Dulak | CrazyGir: the quick fix for that is to set resolv.conf the way you want it then mark it unwritable and immutable |
| 16:49.17 | CrazyGir | jhutchins_wk: is that doc'd in interfaces(5) ? |
| 16:49.27 | jhutchins_wk | That's not the right way to do it though, the right way is with the dhcp client config. |
| 16:49.32 | CrazyGir | Dulak: good point! |
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| 16:49.42 | Justin | CrazyGir: http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Defining_the_.28DNS.29_Nameservers |
| 16:49.44 | CrazyGir | hah, true that jhutchins_wk |
| 16:49.46 | dnai23 | i know, i avoided it as long as possible, but eventually i've to learn it :) |
| 16:50.02 | jhutchins_wk | CrazyGir: /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
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| 16:50.15 | Dulak | haha |
| 16:50.22 | CrazyGir | dnai23: then go read the manuals on dovecot, postfix, roundcube, etc |
| 16:50.23 | Dulak | Have fun with that. |
| 16:50.34 | lio_013 | i have install debian squeeze with LXDE , my graphic card is Nvidia GT218 [GeForce 310M] ,nouveau is installed and loaded from xorg.conf ,but the render isnot going well {direct rendering: Yes OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer} what is missing on my system |
| 16:50.35 | CrazyGir | dnai23: you have better ways to spend your time |
| 16:50.54 | CrazyGir | dnai23: email is not like http, I have no idea why it is still so much crap to wade through when setting up |
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| 16:51.51 | dnai23 | i am currently in the middle of exactly that, but as you said.. it really sucks.. |
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| 16:52.02 | jhutchins_wk | dnai23: http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 16:52.37 | jhutchins_wk | dnai23: mailservers are a serious subject since they're so essential but so vulnerable and dangerous to others. |
| 16:53.24 | CrazyGir | dnai23: so consider my suggestion of using iredmail |
| 16:53.55 | jhutchins_wk | dnai23: Most of them were also developed prior to the standardization of mail over internet, so they have the ability to use other transport systems and that has to be either configured or turned off. |
| 16:54.24 | CrazyGir | it includes a nice ncurses installer that installs and configures everything from apache to postfix, dovecot, roundcube, mysql, and iredmail admin |
| 16:54.46 | Iridos | dpkg, tell lio_013 -about nouveau |
| 16:54.48 | CrazyGir | you can then hack/update what you need |
| 16:54.58 | CrazyGir | and learn it _that_ way |
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| 16:55.41 | CrazyGir | the alternative is to venture out into a big ocean many drown in, only to wash up on shore in disgust and pain |
| 16:55.49 | dnai23 | :) |
| 16:56.10 | dnai23 | thanks, i think i'll give iredmail a try |
| 16:56.54 | CrazyGir | :) |
| 16:57.28 | jhutchins_wk | dnai23: You can also configure exim4 (and I think postfix) with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 16:58.25 | Iridos | lio_013, to be exact /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/README.Debian in short: DRI is disabled... |
| 16:58.54 | Iridos | ncurses is nice? |
| 16:59.01 | Iridos | curses ncurses |
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| 17:01.30 | CrazyGir | is it ok to use "prepend domain-name-servers 12.34.56.78, 12.34.56.79" in dhclient.conf when the rest of the file is empty? |
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| 17:03.12 | jhutchins_wk | CrazyGir: man dhclient.conf - I'm pretty sure it is. |
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| 17:07.52 | smv | I'm trying to boot a (sort of) archlinux domU inside a debian lenny dom0, but it gets stuck at finding the /dev/xvda or /dev/xvda1 disk (tried both): http://ompldr.org/vYnJwag |
| 17:07.57 | smv | everything else is just like on other vm's that are running, so is not a configuration problem. any sugestions? |
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| 17:08.34 | lio_013 | so should i convert to the nvidia driver than nouveau to get dri enabled ? |
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| 17:11.49 | WormFood | why is xulrunner-stub sucking up so much memory, and making my browser horribly slow? |
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| 17:12.23 | Iridos | lio_013, probably... for that /msg dpkg nvidia (and after that the nvidia/dkms factoid suitable for your card) |
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| 17:13.01 | jandro | Hello. I'm trying to share a session of GNU Screen with another user of the same machine. I managed to do it, but only by setting the suid flag of the binary file (/usr/bin/screen) which is a hole in the security. Is there any other way to do it? thanks |
| 17:13.03 | Iridos | that _is_ your browser |
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| 17:15.14 | Iridos | jandro, what was the error you got before |
| 17:15.24 | themill | WormFood: you presumably know that xulrunner *is* your browser. |
| 17:15.40 | Iridos | themill, I said that! |
| 17:15.55 | Iridos | I think he fainted... |
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| 17:17.15 | jandro | Iridos: Must run suid root for multiuser support |
| 17:17.48 | jandro | Iridos: so I did a chmod +s over the screen binary |
| 17:17.50 | Iridos | well... that seems to answer it... |
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| 17:18.40 | jandro | Iridos: there isn't any workaround, seems a bit like a potential security hole to give root executable rights to anyone |
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| 17:19.02 | mjt | and the session runs as original user or as root? :) |
| 17:19.03 | Iridos | only if there are bugs in screen that allow it, I guess |
| 17:19.13 | WormFood | why in the hell would firefox have a process name of xulrunner-stub? |
| 17:19.22 | mjt | screen is already setgid so it has _some_ sense of security |
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| 17:19.28 | victork | Hi |
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| 17:19.49 | victork | I'd like to know the simplest way to redirect an URL to a local address or something |
| 17:20.01 | WormFood | or something |
| 17:20.08 | jandro | Iridos: as user of course, although there might be few windows within screen in which I escalated to root |
| 17:20.08 | WormFood | how about adding an entry to your hosts file |
| 17:20.12 | victork | like if I type www.test.com in Firefox it will be redirected to localhost |
| 17:20.18 | victork | WormFood: Thank you !! |
| 17:20.19 | nvz | I manually downloaded and installed gqview from lenny a while back update manager just popped up today and among updates wants to install the gqview transitional package which of course removes gqview and installs geeqie. Is a package pin the best way to handle this to keep my manually installed package for any and all future situations? |
| 17:20.26 | victork | WormFood: ahaha I was searching for that word ! |
| 17:20.31 | mjt | jandro: there is some mechanism in screen to allow sharing stuff, but if i recall correctly it needs to be set up before |
| 17:20.34 | WormFood | victork, man hosts |
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| 17:20.52 | Iridos | jandro, ha... how'd you do that |
| 17:20.57 | victork | WormFood: Yeah I did it a while ago but I couldn't remember how I did it, thank you very much for your help |
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| 17:21.27 | WormFood | victork, don't forget, you can't use a wild card in hosts, so use example.com, and www.example.com...and whatever.example.com |
| 17:21.40 | Iridos | jandro, well... not workaround... you could not use it? there's an alternative sharing an xterm... whose name I currently forgot |
| 17:21.46 | WormFood | you can add multiple host names to a single IP |
| 17:21.46 | CrazyGir | jhutchins_wk: w00t, this works perfectly, thank you for the guidance |
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| 17:22.21 | victork | WormFood: Could I map to a local thing like another "protocol" such as file://somewhereinmyharddrive ? |
| 17:22.25 | jandro | mjt: don't know. I just enable :multiuser on within Screen |
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| 17:22.39 | Iridos | jandro, ah, right... xkibitz |
| 17:23.08 | victork | WormFood: Or do I need to use apache for that ? |
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| 17:23.36 | jandro | Iridos: I'm just concerned about the implications in security that leaving the /usr/bin/screen like rwsr-sr-x might have |
| 17:23.39 | WormFood | victork, the hosts file ONLY works like a dns substitute |
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| 17:23.52 | Iridos | jandro, that's part of expect-dev and the only prequisite is that you have access to the other persons X display |
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| 17:24.15 | victork | WormFood: Ok, I'll have to use Apache then, thanks ! |
| 17:24.25 | WormFood | you don't need apache |
| 17:24.36 | victork | WormFood: How am I supposed to do then ? |
| 17:24.42 | WormFood | you could get the same effect with echo and netcat, if you just want to send a redirect |
| 17:24.44 | jandro | Iridos: sorry, not following you, I don't have any X windows installed so far... |
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| 17:24.54 | mjt | jandro: you have to add ACLs in multiuser mode |
| 17:25.06 | victork | WormFood: You have a link which describes it ? |
| 17:25.15 | WormFood | no |
| 17:25.18 | Iridos | WormFood, dunno about -stub, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XULRunner |
| 17:25.29 | WormFood | but if you know html headers, then it should be pretty trivial |
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| 17:26.22 | WormFood | victork, try this. on a command line (as a normal user, not root), open a netcat window, like "nc -l -p 5555", and then go to your browser, and go to http://127.0.0.1:5555/, and see what you get at your command prompt |
| 17:26.38 | victork | WormFood: Okay I'm going to look into that, it's just because chromium refuses to execute XMLHttpRequest over file:///, so I have to find a workaround that problem |
| 17:26.46 | WormFood | it will show you the actual header that your browser sends |
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| 17:26.50 | gunfire007 | i have installed a debian right now, was unable to connect to the net so downloaded from other machine ppp package. Now i found that my pendrive is not being mount !! how can i mount my pen drive in it ? |
| 17:27.07 | WormFood | at the "nc" prompt, you can actually start typing html, and your browser will display it. |
| 17:27.35 | victork | WormFood: That's pretty cool ! |
| 17:27.57 | victork | But it has to serve multiple files though, not a single one |
| 17:28.21 | WormFood | now, to go the other way around, and make echo/netcat act like a browser...then look at what your browser sends, and duplicate that...something like (may not be perfect syntax, but it should get you started "echo -e HEAD / HTTP/1.0\nHost: example.com\n\n"|nc -q 1 example.com 80 |
| 17:28.21 | jhutchins_wk | How bad is wordpress to install and maintain? |
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| 17:28.48 | WormFood | it depends on what you want to use it for jhutchins_wk...pretty straight forward I think |
| 17:29.07 | gunfire007 | pls any one can guide me now installing debain is getting frustrated... first some one over here told to donwload netinstall tried out and after working hard on it came to know that pppoe connection can't be made from it :( now i am facing this prob |
| 17:29.12 | WormFood | victork, I thought you wanted it to redirect. |
| 17:29.41 | WormFood | gunfire007, you don't have a router making your pppoe connection for you? |
| 17:29.48 | victork | WormFood: yeah it's a little bit complicated :), but thanks so much for the hosts file I was banging my head against the wall to find the name |
| 17:29.54 | Iridos | jandro, like... http://www.tcl.tk/man/expect5.31/kibitz.1.html |
| 17:30.04 | WormFood | ok |
| 17:30.09 | jandro | mjt: you have to add ACLs in multiuser mode. Sorry, what do you mean with that? never heard of ACL, is it another layer of permission management? |
| 17:30.11 | victork | WormFood: Thanks, have a great day ! |
| 17:30.18 | WormFood | well, if you just need a redirect, the netcat/echo trick will work for that |
| 17:30.26 | gunfire007 | WormFood: no i don't have a router, i have ethernet cable through which i connect through the net. |
| 17:30.27 | mjt | jandro: screen acl -- see acladd in the screen manpage |
| 17:31.13 | mjt | jandro: i once had it working, several years ago, it required something else -- enabling multiuser, acladd and something else but i can't remember what exactly |
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| 17:31.28 | WormFood | gunfire007, I just reinstalled my system 2 days ago, to purge myself of that gnome 3 garbage, they updated to on testing...and I used the pxe network boot installer....but I didn't need to use pppoe, since my server does it. |
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| 17:32.05 | WormFood | the pxe boot installer of debian is nice, because it already has the network drivers installed |
| 17:32.05 | gunfire007 | WormFood: right now i have fresh install of debain, in it i can't mount drives |
| 17:32.13 | jandro | mjt: thanks, I'll have a look into it |
| 17:32.21 | WormFood | what do you mean that you can't mount drives? |
| 17:32.24 | jandro | Iridos: thanks, I'll look it up |
| 17:32.35 | gunfire007 | if the i can mount the drive i can install the ppp packages and can make my net functional.. |
| 17:33.04 | gunfire007 | WormFood: i want to mount 4 gb flash drive.. |
| 17:33.07 | WormFood | and how are you trying to mount it? |
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| 17:33.35 | gunfire007 | WormFood: i am just inserting it into the USB plug....and can't find my pendrive mounted in nautalius. |
| 17:33.57 | WormFood | what does dmesg show? does it show that the drive is recognized? |
| 17:34.21 | WormFood | what about fdisk -l /dev/whatever ? Does that show you the partition table? (I'm assuming you have a partition table) |
| 17:34.41 | gunfire007 | WormFood: i use the same drive in other arch and mint where it is recognized and get's mount. ok let me do that.. |
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| 17:35.11 | WormFood | automount may not be configured |
| 17:35.23 | gunfire007 | okk... |
| 17:35.24 | WormFood | also, try just "mount", and see if the drive is mounted |
| 17:35.33 | jhutchins_wk | Isn't gnome supposed to handle mounting USB drives? |
| 17:36.28 | nvz | gunfire007: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ#Q:_How_do_I_install_via_PPPoE.3F may or may not be of help to you.. I just woke up from 4hrs sleep after being up 24hrs straight.. heh |
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| 17:37.02 | gunfire007 | nvz: it's nice of you :) |
| 17:37.07 | nvz | gunfire007: you cannot just install packages on a debian installer like you think you can.. I know that much |
| 17:37.39 | WormFood | gunfire007, the system is installed now, right? |
| 17:38.07 | gunfire007 | nvz: someone over here told me to download the package and then install the package using dpkg -i nameofthe.deb |
| 17:38.12 | gunfire007 | WormFood: ya it's installed.. |
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| 17:38.46 | nvz | logs off to go deal with some things |
| 17:38.55 | khaleel5000 | hi, my harddisk is 2.5 years old (laptop ) debian sid. |
| 17:39.08 | khaleel5000 | is there any tool to check drives' overall intergrity , partiton tables etc |
| 17:39.09 | khaleel5000 | ? |
| 17:39.28 | gunfire007 | WormFood: how do i config mounting ? |
| 17:39.34 | WormFood | gentlemen...and I use the term loosely...it is time for me to go to bed. It is after 1:30 am here. Ya'll have a good morning/day/afternoon/evening/night/whatever. |
| 17:40.08 | jhutchins_wk | khaleel5000: First, you probably shouldn't be running sid. When was the last time you updated? |
| 17:40.15 | WormFood | gunfire007, I suggest you ignore the auto mount stuff, and do something like "mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdb1", where sdb1 is your partition you want |
| 17:40.38 | jhutchins_wk | khaleel5000: What does cat /etc/debian_release say? |
| 17:40.47 | WormFood | gunfire007, good luck with everything |
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| 17:41.01 | WormFood | turns off his monitors, and goes to bed. |
| 17:41.11 | jhutchins_wk | Gnite WormFood |
| 17:42.50 | gunfire007 | thanks WormFood goodnight :) |
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| 17:45.53 | khaleel5000 | jhutchins_wk: hey , sorry i was afk. i updated it lastweek, and just few minutes ago |
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| 17:46.18 | khaleel5000 | and jhutchins_wk it says no such file/directory |
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| 17:47.04 | jhutchins_wk | khaleel5000: I was thinking maybe you hadn't updated for two years and were running something recoverable like lenny. |
| 17:47.25 | khaleel5000 | nah |
| 17:47.32 | khaleel5000 | i regularly update my system. |
| 17:47.50 | khaleel5000 | it just dawned on me to check my harddisk |
| 17:48.11 | jhutchins_wk | khaleel5000: You're on your own with sid, or check #debian-next on oftc.net To check the disk you'll need to reboot. If it hasn't been checked in two years, it should automatically check at startup, but if you need to force it use shutdown -Fr now |
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| 17:50.16 | khaleel5000 | ok.........debian sid is my primary os. I have win Vista, and pclos too. i have debian stable to which i keep updating from time to time...but debian sid is my prime os |
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| 17:50.36 | khaleel5000 | i have a 500 gig hd, it gets disk check every fixed period of reboots/mounts |
| 17:50.45 | abrotman | khaleel5000: smart tools |
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| 17:50.58 | khaleel5000 | i wanted to know any thing to see overall thing |
| 17:51.02 | khaleel5000 | a birds eye view |
| 17:51.06 | abrotman | !tell khaleel5000 about smart |
| 17:51.06 | abrotman | !tell khaleel5000 about smartd |
| 17:51.10 | jhutchins_wk | khaleel5000: By default it should check after a set number of days too. |
| 17:51.38 | jhutchins_wk | khaleel5000: fsck, but you need to run it on an un-mounted or read-only partition. |
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| 17:51.44 | khaleel5000 | jhutchins_wk: days dont come without 'check' |
| 17:51.57 | khaleel5000 | abrotman: thanks |
| 17:52.04 | khaleel5000 | yeah the scan runs at boot |
| 17:52.21 | abrotman | is asking about his filesystem or the physical drive health ? |
| 17:52.51 | khaleel5000 | both |
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| 18:02.29 | jeffno | can anybody running gnome 3 tell me the best way to get the old cpu monitor applet back, preferably without a 3rd party repository? |
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| 18:12.05 | oscar | Hi, there everybody. |
| 18:12.05 | oscar | I've got a compaq presario c700la and I've got an issue with the audio, it seems when it starts it makes the sound to log in but then once started it does not make any sound at all, |
| 18:12.23 | EricRaymond | compaq? |
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| 18:17.37 | zaki | hello |
| 18:17.49 | EricRaymond | hi |
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| 18:17.56 | samael | hello |
| 18:18.01 | EricRaymond | hi |
| 18:18.07 | zaki | in /etc/network/interfaces , is it allowed to use TABS at the begining of each line before instructions? |
| 18:18.31 | Justin | zaki: yes |
| 18:18.41 | zaki | ok Justin thx |
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| 18:19.50 | abrotman | really? |
| 18:20.11 | abrotman | jeffno: did you check the extensions department ? |
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| 18:21.55 | zaki | Justin, is there a difference between sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart and running the same script but by stop and then start ? |
| 18:23.05 | EricRaymond | no |
| 18:23.33 | Justin | zaki: no |
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| 18:24.43 | samael | virtualbox 4.1.6, debian sid: how can i change the default vboxnet0 network from 192.168.56.0/24 to something else? |
| 18:24.56 | samael | (permanently, i mean) |
| 18:25.32 | jhutchins_wk | samael: Maybe #vbox knows? |
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| 18:27.06 | tecneeq | i would look into /etc/virtualbox or /etc/default/virtualbox, i would grep for 192.168.56 :) |
| 18:27.54 | samael | jhutchins_wk: just done, thanks! |
| 18:28.14 | samael | tecneeq: already tried, with no luck :? |
| 18:28.16 | samael | :/ |
| 18:28.53 | wolfric | is the mysql config located somewhere odd in debian? I can't find it in /etc/mysql |
| 18:28.57 | wolfric | for server that is |
| 18:28.58 | samael | there should be some obscure vboxmanage trick |
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| 18:30.17 | acemi | wolfric: /etc/mysql/my.cnf in my squeeze box |
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| 18:31.14 | serega_by | Hi all |
| 18:31.29 | tecneeq | hi |
| 18:31.38 | serega_by | how I can debug program in debian ? |
| 18:31.54 | serega_by | I have no sources |
| 18:31.55 | tecneeq | you could use gdb |
| 18:32.13 | acemi | apt-get source package |
| 18:32.32 | tecneeq | or strace, wich helped me once or twice |
| 18:32.58 | serega_by | thanks |
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| 18:35.12 | morsik | hello there |
| 18:35.26 | morsik | i'm tring to install php5-fpm. i'm following theese instructions: http://www.howtoforge.com/installing-php-5.3-nginx-and-php-fpm-on-ubuntu-debian |
| 18:35.34 | morsik | but i stuck at installing php5-fpm package |
| 18:35.52 | morsik | aptitude show php5-fpm shows me: No current or candidate version found for php5-fpm |
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| 18:38.44 | morsik | eh nvm... i used other repo |
| 18:39.34 | tecneeq | what's the fpm for? |
| 18:39.56 | tecneeq | .o(fast php. man) |
| 18:39.59 | morsik | tecneeq: http://php-fpm.org/about/ |
| 18:40.16 | wolfric | acemi: great... it seems the config file has gone missing... |
| 18:40.19 | wolfric | acemi: cheers |
| 18:40.36 | tecneeq | morsik: i see, interesting |
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| 18:41.12 | acemi | wolfric: do you have mysql-server |
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| 18:41.27 | morsik | yeah, now i'm using this repo: http://www.dotdeb.org/ (without php53.* subdomain) |
| 18:42.16 | wolfric | acemi: yes and it's running |
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| 18:46.55 | nsadmin | when you zoom out and look at php and its release history, what are some things you notice? |
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| 18:47.16 | serega_by | How i can know worktime of program, using gdb ? |
| 18:47.26 | Anon386 | hello? |
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| 18:47.56 | EricRaymond | serega , don't you want to use the program time |
| 18:48.05 | EricRaymond | that will tell you how much of the system and user time a program took |
| 18:48.13 | nsadmin | Anon386, /msg dpkg ask |
| 18:48.25 | tecneeq | nsadmin: well, waht do you notice? |
| 18:48.46 | acemi | wolfric: dpkg -x /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-common*.deb . extract the package into the current directory |
| 18:48.53 | RedGreen | huh? wht do ya mean |
| 18:48.54 | serega_by | ok, how i can make it ? |
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| 18:49.59 | tecneeq | serega_by: time sleep 2 |
| 18:50.24 | nsadmin | some instability, a lot of instances of incompatibility between versions, a lot of apps that require a very specific version of php, something that would require work on the part of app developers, just for the sake of playing catchujp |
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| 18:50.29 | hivemind | uhhh |
| 18:50.34 | EricRaymond | context switches to anger mode |
| 18:51.14 | nsadmin | EricRaymond, #emotionalabuse is around the corner and to your left |
| 18:51.23 | hivemind | i'm haven't the internet connection when installing debian |
| 18:51.34 | hivemind | wvdial and nm-applet was not installed |
| 18:51.35 | xingu | nsadmin: php is the strongest argument to date that dlopen ought to be a shell internal. :) |
| 18:51.44 | hivemind | how may i connect to the internet? |
| 18:51.51 | tecneeq | nsadmin: i think you are on to something there ;) |
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| 18:54.19 | tecneeq | hivemind: how do you connect to the internet usually? DSL? Satelite? Modem? Cable? |
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| 18:54.54 | abrotman | two cans and a string? |
| 18:55.04 | ompaul | that would be quite the thing |
| 18:55.16 | hivemind | tecneeq, 3g-modem |
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| 18:56.05 | nsadmin | hivemind, are you using a netinstall image? |
| 18:57.48 | nsadmin | hivemind, if so you can install just the base and reboot into that (minimal) debian, and then work on the net part |
| 18:58.22 | hivemind | nsadmin, no, i'm installed debian from cd |
| 18:59.09 | nsadmin | so you're running it now? |
| 18:59.17 | nsadmin | or still installing? |
| 19:00.01 | tecneeq | hivemind: never used that 3g stuff. but i would ask dmesg to check if the usb-stick or 3g-modem is recognized, if not i would try to get the firmware needed. if the stick appears in dmesg you can google for usb-modeswitch. maybe you need it |
| 19:00.09 | hivemind | uhm, now i'm on windows, i installed debian and can't connect to the internet |
| 19:00.42 | nsadmin | ok, so you've booted that installation and found you can't connect? |
| 19:00.49 | hivemind | tecneeq, my modem is visible in lsusb, and have only one mode. I need just a program to connect |
| 19:01.11 | hivemind | nsadmin, yes, i can't found a program for this |
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| 19:01.51 | tecneeq | aptitude install wvdial ; wvdialconf ; vi /etc/wvdial.conf ; wvdial |
| 19:02.06 | tecneeq | something like that should do the trick ;) |
| 19:02.14 | hivemind | aptitude install wvdial... |
| 19:02.15 | hivemind | how? |
| 19:02.24 | tecneeq | ahh, i see :) |
| 19:02.24 | hivemind | i can't connect to the repository |
| 19:02.51 | tecneeq | you can download the packe, that is the *.deb and install it with dpkg .i wvdia*.deb |
| 19:03.01 | nsadmin | so, you have a debian installed on the device, and it runs, and it can't connect using your 3g |
| 19:03.10 | nsadmin | maybe wvdial is on the cd? |
| 19:03.59 | tecneeq | could be, worth a look, a usbstick and windows will do fine otherwise, of course you would need to download and install dependencies too |
| 19:04.03 | nsadmin | or, maybe you can grab the .deb, transfer it to the device, boot into debian and install it with dpkg |
| 19:04.17 | hivemind | nsadmin, uhm, maybe, i have to check it out. tecneeq, i'm tried, but... i'm lost myself in the dependencies lol |
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| 19:05.12 | nsadmin | which cd image are you using exactly? |
| 19:05.20 | nsadmin | brb |
| 19:05.28 | Justin | hivemind: there aren't ANY open wireless or wired networks near you? |
| 19:05.35 | tecneeq | hivemind: i see. that sucks. I wish a had a solution for you, like a webservice that takes care of that and gives you a complete list of dependencies |
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| 19:05.52 | hivemind | nsadmin, it's the first CD iso from debian.org |
| 19:06.14 | nsadmin | oh, maybe wvdial is on that |
| 19:06.22 | Justin | nsadmin: it's not |
| 19:06.25 | hivemind | Justin, i haven't a wifi on the computer |
| 19:06.46 | nsadmin | if you haven't edited sources.list it should still point at the cd |
| 19:06.57 | Justin | nsadmin: i checked, none of that stuff is on cd1 |
| 19:07.21 | hivemind | CD is commented in sources.list, i can uncomment it |
| 19:07.30 | hivemind | Justin, bad... |
| 19:08.08 | nsadmin | Justin, oh ok |
| 19:08.12 | Justin | you can try pppconfig ? |
| 19:08.27 | hivemind | i haven't it... |
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| 19:08.57 | Justin | what's the thing in debian that sets up ppp? I havne't used ppp in 12 years :) |
| 19:09.15 | mjt | ppp-config? |
| 19:09.23 | nsadmin | is this really how 3g works? you run pppd over it? |
| 19:09.23 | Justin | no... ppconfig was right |
| 19:09.29 | Justin | not sure what CD it's on either |
| 19:09.36 | Justin | nsadmin: shitty modems, yeah |
| 19:09.38 | hivemind | i see i have suspiciously little number of programs on the system |
| 19:09.41 | mjt | ,versions pppconfig |
| 19:09.42 | judd | Package: pppconfig on i386 -- lenny: 2.3.18; squeeze: 2.3.18+nmu2; sid: 2.3.18+nmu3; wheezy: 2.3.18+nmu3 |
| 19:10.16 | hivemind | 993 commands by default |
| 19:10.18 | Justin | nsadmin: cyanogen tethering just shows up as a usb ethernet interface which you run DHCP over, much nicer than the shitty ppp methods |
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| 19:10.45 | nsadmin | he should use that instead :) |
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| 19:11.20 | tecneeq | hivemind: you can generate a download script with synaptics, maybe it's on your cd? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Synaptic/PackageDownloadScript |
| 19:11.36 | hivemind | hmm |
| 19:11.38 | hivemind | oh |
| 19:11.48 | tecneeq | hivemind: might be that synaptics is a ubuntu only thing tho |
| 19:12.09 | abrotman | synaptic or synaptics? |
| 19:12.21 | tecneeq | not the same? |
| 19:12.24 | abrotman | well, one is softare, also in Debian, the other is hardware |
| 19:12.27 | Justin | debian-6.0.3-i386-CD-10.list.gz:pppconfig_2.3.18+nmu2_all.deb |
| 19:12.45 | hivemind | maybe, i boot from a Linux Mint LiveCD, install wvdial to it and recieve it to the flash card via APTonCD? |
| 19:12.57 | Justin | hivemind: try pppconfig |
| 19:13.08 | abrotman | no wvdial either ? |
| 19:13.12 | hivemind | i haven't it on debian |
| 19:13.14 | Justin | hivemind: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/pppconfig/pppconfig_2.3.18+nmu2_all.deb |
| 19:13.27 | Justin | hivemind: the few dependencies it has are on CD1 |
| 19:13.43 | abrotman | so why does he need synatpic ? |
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| 19:14.12 | tecneeq | abrotman: synaptics is able to generate a script that downloads a package and it's dependencies offline |
| 19:14.19 | abrotman | SYNAPTIC |
| 19:14.22 | abrotman | jesus |
| 19:14.28 | abrotman | !apt-zip |
| 19:14.29 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip |
| 19:15.28 | zaltekk | tecneeq: synaptic is a gtk package management frontend. synaptics is a company that makes touchpads |
| 19:15.46 | tecneeq | my bad, sorry |
| 19:15.51 | abrotman | and it's sooo unnecessary to use synaptc in this case |
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| 19:16.35 | hivemind | huh, i'm have a Linux Mint LiveCD, can i use packages from there? |
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| 19:16.47 | abrotman | no |
| 19:16.52 | hivemind | why |
| 19:16.54 | tecneeq | abrotman: you know a way to generate such a list with another tool? that would be quite cool |
| 19:16.59 | nsadmin | aptitude install apt-zip has a chance of working here, especially if apt-zip and its deps are on cd1 |
| 19:17.07 | abrotman | a) not Debian b) not tracking stable |
| 19:17.18 | hivemind | bad |
| 19:17.44 | abrotman | tecneeq: apt-get + wget can do it .. but really, he doesn't need much, he can probalby just grab it with any OS,a nd put it on a usb drive to use from Debian |
| 19:18.06 | tecneeq | abrotman: but he needs a list of packages, right? |
| 19:19.00 | Justin | hivemind: really, just download the one pppconfig .deb. that should be able to get 3g working |
| 19:19.06 | abrotman | tecneeq: seriously? |
| 19:19.45 | abrotman | still doesn't see what synaptic has to do with all of this |
| 19:19.50 | tecneeq | abrotman: i don't know, if pppconfig has no dependencies he probably is fine. but if it has, how does he get a list of the packages he needs? |
| 19:20.17 | abrotman | tecneeq: do some research .. let me know what you find |
| 19:20.21 | hivemind | Justin, i afraid i can't adjust a pppconfig on my modem, i try to do that on mint, and failed |
| 19:20.25 | hivemind | but i can try |
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| 19:21.10 | abrotman | AIUI, most people that have 3g modems just use pppconfig to start, and then use n-m or so later on |
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| 19:22.38 | hivemind | ohh |
| 19:22.58 | hivemind | hm, i can try to get the dependencies list from launchpad... |
| 19:23.27 | ompaul | hivemind: got something against debian? |
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| 19:24.05 | abrotman | hivemind: packages.debian.org/pppconfig .. do NOT use launchpad .. that's completely useless in Debian |
| 19:24.12 | ompaul | hivemind: if you go taking every other distos version of how things are done you ain't got the debian way, you might as well get it from redhat a.... |
| 19:24.18 | tecneeq | abrotman: normally i would say "yes, i'm willing and able to research another mans problem", but today i had enough beer to not care enough. ;) |
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| 19:24.46 | tecneeq | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.47 | abrotman | tecneeq: doesn't stop you from telling people crazy things though eh ? |
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| 19:25.16 | ompaul | hivemind: so please go look at http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 19:25.44 | hivemind | thnx, i'm check it out |
| 19:25.57 | tecneeq | abrotman: i told the guy how to get a script that downloads the package and dependencies. is that a problem for you? stay nice. |
| 19:26.02 | nullie | Hello. Why aptitude suggests to remove libacl1 which depends on libc6 (>= 2.4), while libc6 at version 2.13-20ubuntu5 ? |
| 19:26.08 | ompaul | hivemind: else go run on of those other distros and use their help channels also please cos we don't know how they do things (most of the time) |
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| 19:26.26 | ompaul | !tell nullie about ubuntu |
| 19:26.34 | abrotman | tecneeq: you gave him instructions for ubuntu for packages he doesn't have .. so he would have downloaded the wrong packages ? |
| 19:26.38 | ponyofdeath | hi, im trying to get my btrfs filesystem mounted at boot from fstab but it seems that it failes. any idea what i have to do to get it to mount at boot? |
| 19:26.41 | nullie | sigh |
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| 19:27.16 | tecneeq | abrotman: there is now synaptic in debian? that's new to me. |
| 19:27.30 | tecneeq | abrotman: sorry, i meant synaptics *cough* ;) |
| 19:27.39 | abrotman | tecneeq: please go away |
| 19:27.50 | tecneeq | abrotman: no. |
| 19:28.19 | abrotman | not helpful in any way |
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| 19:31.15 | nullie | I did never get answer to my question at #ubuntu, because they are too complex |
| 19:31.32 | tecneeq | my debian appears to have synaptic. but i can't tell if it's on the first cd. probably not. i bet there is a command for apt/aptitude that generates a script to download a package and it's dependencies, but google doesn't tell. |
| 19:31.52 | tecneeq | nullie: your question or the ubuntu folk? |
| 19:32.08 | nullie | my questions. I rarely ask simple questions |
| 19:32.43 | ompaul | nullie: your choice, move to debian and get debian help, or wait until someone in #ubuntu has time to see and answer your question and I'd nearly guess you should be in #ubuntu+1 if it still exists |
| 19:33.12 | tecneeq | (; |
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| 19:33.30 | nullie | I could hack you, heh |
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| 19:33.50 | abrotman | nullie: take it to #ubuntu, thank youl |
| 19:33.52 | abrotman | . |
| 19:33.54 | nsadmin | you could haiku? |
| 19:34.03 | tecneeq | :) |
| 19:34.11 | hivemind | http://packages.debian.org/stable/wvdial |
| 19:34.13 | tecneeq | maybe the people that know stuff about ubuntu don't waste time on irc? |
| 19:34.18 | hivemind | oh, i'm found it |
| 19:34.29 | nullie | boostrap debian in chroot, reproduce problem, ask again, heh |
| 19:34.30 | nsadmin | yay :) what did you find? |
| 19:34.37 | hivemind | hm, i think i have debconf... |
| 19:34.39 | hivemind | wvdial |
| 19:34.41 | hivemind | on site |
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| 19:36.54 | tecneeq | hivemind: i found some infors how to get a list of packages out of apt, but it's german: http://debiananwenderhandbuch.de/apt-offline.html |
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| 19:37.58 | tecneeq | not exacty intuitive |
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| 19:40.02 | abrotman | ... helpful |
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| 19:48.08 | nullie | turned out that were consequences of safe-upgrade |
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| 19:50.37 | hivemind | uhhhhhhh... |
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| 19:50.49 | hivemind | i think i'm download all i need... |
| 19:50.50 | hivemind | http://storage5.static.itmages.ru/i/11/1216/h_1324065021_1070740_a1da3dd6ff.png |
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| 19:58.43 | DummyMode | hi |
| 20:00.27 | hivemind | hi |
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| 20:01.04 | hivemind | nsadmin, i think i'm downloaded all i need. i'm correct? http://storage5.static.itmages.ru/i/11/1216/h_1324065021_1070740_a1da3dd6ff.png |
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| 20:04.19 | GRMrGecko | I need to know what tool I am to use to change file creation and modification dates. |
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| 20:04.26 | GRMrGecko | Do I have to write my own using C? |
| 20:04.57 | bindi | touch |
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| 20:05.36 | abrotman | hivemind: just try it .. it'll be obvious if it's wrong |
| 20:06.01 | abrotman | hivemind: if you really want someone to check .. could you copy that image to picpaste? ... i don't want to have to type that whole URL (no copy/paste with this client) |
| 20:06.05 | bindi | touch -t yyyymmddhhnn file, GRMrGecko |
| 20:06.20 | GRMrGecko | bindi: Thanks, I didn't know touch had options |
| 20:06.23 | hivemind | abrotman, okay |
| 20:06.31 | GRMrGecko | I thought touch was only to change the modification date. |
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| 20:11.25 | hivemind | abrotman, http://picpaste.com/snimok.PNG |
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| 20:11.33 | abrotman | hivemind: moment |
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| 20:12.56 | abrotman | hivemind: doubt you need all of those .. just start with pppconfig and ppp .. see where you go rfrom there .. (you forgot to download teh actual pppconfig package) |
| 20:12.57 | thisthat | how do i enable dmraid=true to install squeeze? |
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| 20:18.29 | hivemind | abrotman, i think it's all http://picpaste.com/guf.PNG |
| 20:18.41 | hivemind | i got to reboot into debian now |
| 20:18.58 | abrotman | hivemind: looks better .. just try install the pppconfig and ppp packages first |
| 20:19.05 | hivemind | okay |
| 20:19.14 | abrotman | hivemind: only insatll the packages they need, not everything you have there |
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| 20:26.16 | Administrateur | hi |
| 20:26.40 | abrotman | he is french! |
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| 20:29.18 | sKeiths | is it possible to undelete from debian directory? |
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| 20:31.29 | Mortvert | Hey, i'm having some problems with my apt-get and aptitude fail to install anything. i just get (Reading database ... dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: unable to open files list file for package `dovecot-imapd': Input/output err) |
| 20:31.36 | Mortvert | how can i fix that? |
| 20:32.15 | dnai23 | sKeiths |
| 20:32.23 | dnai23 | which file system? ext3? |
| 20:32.28 | sKeiths | reiserfs |
| 20:33.11 | sKeiths | probably not my wisest move ever picking this fs |
| 20:33.20 | jhutchins_wk | Mortvert: What about aptituide update? |
| 20:34.03 | abrotman | sKeiths: generally, undelete is not possible with a journaling filesystem |
| 20:34.52 | dnai23 | you can at least try http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/ReiserFS_File_Undelete_HOWTO |
| 20:35.15 | hackeron | hey, not sure if this is the right channel - I have a serial device that stores 2 numbers every 2 seconds - I managed to get the database out of the device, but I can't figure out how the data is stored - the file command doesn't recognise the data either - any one has any wild guesses what the database format could be? < http://itstar.co.uk/test.edf |
| 20:35.35 | LoRez | hackeron: it's not. don't spam. |
| 20:35.42 | Mortvert | jhutchins_wk - no i/o error |
| 20:35.56 | hackeron | LoRez: any recommendations which channel might be more appropriate? |
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| 20:36.14 | LoRez | ask alis |
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| 20:37.01 | Mortvert | jhutchins_wk - still get i/o when trying to upgrade or install anything |
| 20:37.04 | Mortvert | wtf do i do? |
| 20:37.13 | dnai23 | are you sure, you've set your terminal to the right bitrate? that filedump doesn't look like it |
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| 20:37.50 | abrotman | Mortvert: what is your libc6 version ? |
| 20:37.55 | hackeron | LoRez: who? |
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| 20:38.02 | LoRez | alis |
| 20:38.03 | Mortvert | abrotman - no idea. |
| 20:38.05 | abrotman | hackeron: /msg alis help |
| 20:38.08 | abrotman | Mortvert: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 20:38.19 | Mortvert | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.23 | hackeron | abrotman: ah, thanks :) |
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| 20:38.36 | wolfric | acemi: nice thanks |
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| 20:38.59 | Mortvert | but i wonder why i get "Reading database ... dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: unable to open files list file for package `dovecot-imapd': Input/output error" |
| 20:39.02 | teratoma | so i have a lenny machine. i have a bunch of stuff installed from backports. should i remove those packages before i upgrade to squeeze? |
| 20:39.29 | mjt | teratoma: it is designed to be upgradeable, at least in theory |
| 20:39.50 | Mortvert | abrotman - any idea? |
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| 20:41.12 | abrotman | Mortvert: can you reinstall the broken package ? |
| 20:41.23 | Mortvert | abrotman - nope, i/o error as well |
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| 20:43.29 | jhutchins_wk | Mortvert: Did you mean you don't get the i/o error on update, but you do on any install? |
| 20:43.50 | Mortvert | jhutchins_wk - yep. upgrade tho does give me i/o as well |
| 20:44.18 | jhutchins_wk | Mortvert: It sounds like the dpkg database has become corrupt. You can just delete the files and do an update, but I don't know for certain which files it is. abrotman would know. |
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| 20:44.45 | jhutchins_wk | Mortvert: I suppose you could comment out all of your sources, update, restore, update. That would be fairly safe. |
| 20:45.13 | jhutchins_wk | Mortvert: The problem is that I'm fairly sure there is a way to clear the database that would also wipe out dpkg's knowledge of installed files. |
| 20:45.33 | Mortvert | jhutchins_wk - wouldn't that be like really bad? |
| 20:46.13 | sKeiths | i get illegal mount option when trying to mount disk. (pluging in a usb disk (probably ntfs)) i dont care whats on disk, i want to wipe it so i can dd my other disk onto it. i tried installing gparted but when i run it i get a gkt waring , can't open display. |
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| 20:46.35 | jelly-home | sKeiths: so go ahead and wipe it, there's no need to mount it. |
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| 20:47.08 | jelly-home | sKeiths: in fact, dding the other disk WILL overwrite existing data. |
| 20:47.11 | sKeiths | what /dev can i expect the usb disk to be on? |
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| 20:47.45 | jelly-home | sKeiths: inspect the last few (20ish) lines of "dmesg" command output |
| 20:48.03 | jelly-home | or /var/log/kern.log file |
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| 20:49.10 | sKeiths | ty .. sdc |
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| 20:49.32 | abrotman | Mortvert: can you paste all of the output in a pastebin, paste.debian.net |
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| 20:50.18 | Mortvert | abrotman - http://paste.debian.net/149435/ |
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| 20:54.41 | abrotman | Mortvert: moment |
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| 20:55.18 | abrotman | Mortvert: i meant to reinstall it with dpkg .. but anyway .. |
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| 20:55.52 | abrotman | Mortvert: touch /var/lib/dpkg/info/dovecot-imapd.list .. try again |
| 20:56.10 | Mortvert | abrotman - touch: cannot touch `/var/lib/dpkg/info/dovecot-imapd.list': Input/output error |
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| 20:56.42 | Mortvert | rm -rf that? |
| 20:56.49 | valdyn | Mortvert: no, check dmesg |
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| 21:03.15 | abrotman | Mortvert: uh .. no |
| 21:03.22 | abrotman | Mortvert: sounds like your HDD is having a hissy fit |
| 21:03.24 | abrotman | or filesystem |
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| 21:03.33 | Mortvert | more like filesystem, the stick works fine. |
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| 21:09.41 | ShinyDarkness | Hello. How do I download wheezy? |
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| 21:10.50 | jhutchins_wk | ShinyDarkness: All 30,000 packages? |
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| 21:11.20 | ShinyDarkness | jhutchins_wk: No. Just the base system. |
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| 21:11.29 | ShinyDarkness | And SSH server tools. |
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| 21:11.48 | ShinyDarkness | Is there nothing like the netinst image for wheezy? |
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| 21:12.30 | ompaul | ShinyDarkness: there is but it is only to test the installer |
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| 21:13.06 | ompaul | ShinyDarkness: so as long as you have a netinstaller for stable you'll have a sane fall back if it failed |
| 21:13.23 | ShinyDarkness | ompaul: I do have the netinst for stable. |
| 21:13.55 | ShinyDarkness | My actual problem is the following: I want to use a more recent version of g++ than the one that comes with squeeze. |
| 21:14.06 | ShinyDarkness | And also a more recent version of Boost. |
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| 21:15.06 | jhutchins_wk | ShinyDarkness: It might be better to stick with squeeze/stable for a while wile you learn the system. wheezy/testing is going through changes like introducing parts of gnome3 and not everything is going smoothly. |
| 21:15.18 | jhutchins_wk | !tell ShinyDarkness about bdo |
| 21:15.41 | jhutchins_wk | ShinyDarkness: You can use backports where available, and backport your own packages where you need to. |
| 21:15.41 | RobinC2 | ShinyDarkness, you could always use a testing/unstable chroot |
| 21:15.44 | ompaul | ShinyDarkness: I'll leave it at jhutchins_wk comment |
| 21:16.11 | jhutchins_wk | ShinyDarkness: Once you are comfortable with that process you'll have the skills you'll need for when (not if) testing breaks. |
| 21:16.44 | ShinyDarkness | jhutchins_wk, ompaul: Thanks. |
| 21:16.48 | ShinyDarkness | RobinC2: What is chroot? |
| 21:17.51 | SSigSeg | lawls |
| 21:17.57 | jhutchins_wk | ShinyDarkness: There are installers for testing, but they are test installers and don't alway match up with what's in testing at a given moment. The usual method is to install stable and "upgrade" to testing, or to use debootstrap to install it on an alternate partition. That way makes it easy to update and fix testing when it breaks, and lets you compare it to stable to see what's different/broken. |
| 21:18.06 | RobinC2 | you can partially install another linux system inside a folder, then just chroot into that and then you have access to the newer g++ etc you want to play with. A bit of a simplistic explination but if its just something like g++ you want and you are happy with console its easy to do |
| 21:19.05 | jhutchins_wk | ShinyDarkness: chroot is Change Root, you make a new folder/partition the root of the filesystem. If you're going to run full-blown programs or X on it you need to mount /proc and /sys first. |
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| 21:19.29 | ShinyDarkness | jhutchins_wk, RobinC2: Wow, that looks interesting. |
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| 21:19.53 | RobinC2 | ShinyDarkness, see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 21:20.01 | jhutchins_wk | ShinyDarkness: It's much better to learn your way around on stable, when you're on testing you never know when it's something you did and when it's something that broke. |
| 21:20.58 | ShinyDarkness | jhutchins_wk, RobinC2: Is chroot something like a virtual machine? |
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| 21:21.22 | RobinC2 | its not going as far as a VM does |
| 21:21.29 | RobinC2 | VM provides far more isolation |
| 21:21.55 | boudiccas | in gnome on squeeze how do i alter the time before i get locked out when i leave the machine alone please? |
| 21:22.04 | Mortvert | abrotman - so, can i fix that thing without doing a clean install? |
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| 21:23.47 | ksk | hi |
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| 21:24.45 | RobinC2 | anyone know, are -dbg packages for libs suspose to drop the symbols in the multiarch locations now? or still in /usr/lib/debug/ ? |
| 21:25.02 | ksk | i want to use an revers proxy for some things, eg a diaspora install - which one would you prefer? is there any up2date benchmarks around? |
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| 21:26.51 | zykotick9 | boudiccas: check the screensaver setting |
| 21:27.01 | boudiccas | k, ta |
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| 21:27.46 | boudiccas | thanks that it |
| 21:29.01 | abrotman | Mortvert: hold on .. let me read agsain |
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| 21:29.37 | abrotman | Mortvert: have you done afilsystem check ? |
| 21:29.45 | Mortvert | abrotman - nope. |
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| 21:30.43 | abrotman | Mortvert: shutdown -rF .. then try again |
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| 21:31.24 | abrotman | wait .. you're running an IMAP server off a flash drive? |
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| 21:32.08 | Mortvert | abrotman - i was playing around. |
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| 21:34.45 | abrotman | oh okay |
| 21:35.27 | thisthat | so i should be using mdadm instead of dmraid on my ich10r chipset? |
| 21:36.40 | jelly-homed | I always considered md a superior option |
| 21:37.08 | jelly-homed | if there's only linux on the machine, there's no reason to go with dmraid |
| 21:37.20 | thisthat | because im having problems with the grub install |
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| 21:37.44 | Darkbulb | thisthat: what problems - any errors etc |
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| 21:37.59 | jelly-homed | thisthat: what kind of problems |
| 21:38.02 | jelly-homed | !ask |
| 21:38.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:38.07 | Darkbulb | I have been away from keys and apologize if you posted before |
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| 21:38.51 | thisthat | seems i should be using grub legacy with dmraid |
| 21:39.18 | mjt | ,help |
| 21:39.20 | judd | (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 21:39.28 | mjt | sigh |
| 21:39.29 | Mortvert | abrotman - i hope the FSCK doesn't need any user interactions |
| 21:39.36 | Mortvert | as my box is headless, can't see shit on it. |
| 21:39.50 | Darkbulb | hi mjt thanks for helping mr |
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| 21:40.22 | jelly-homed | mjt: /msg judd list, then /msg judd list modulename, then /msg judd help command |
| 21:40.59 | Darkbulb | Mortvert: fsck -fv would fix the need for interaction |
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| 21:41.34 | mjt | Darkbulb: upi |
| 21:41.41 | mjt | Darkbulb: you're welcome :) |
| 21:41.43 | Darkbulb | mjt huh |
| 21:41.48 | Darkbulb | ahh thanks |
| 21:42.28 | Darkbulb | Mort fsck seemed to do a well enough job most of the time on my simple ext2 recovering after power blinks |
| 21:43.01 | Mortvert | Darkbulb - wth does -fv do? |
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| 21:43.16 | Darkbulb | v is for verbose and f is for force |
| 21:43.27 | Mortvert | nty, i want to keep my system intact |
| 21:43.44 | Darkbulb | :D |
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| 21:44.12 | Darkbulb | telnet or ssh into the headless box maybe |
| 21:44.18 | Mortvert | grabbed monitor already |
| 21:44.25 | Darkbulb | okay |
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| 21:45.12 | Mortvert | holy fuck, wall of text! |
| 21:45.31 | Darkbulb | thats why we have a pause key |
| 21:45.44 | Mortvert | i mean - it asks me for fixing of thousands of inodes |
| 21:45.51 | Mortvert | how can i make it default to y? |
| 21:46.14 | RobinC2 | yes | command |
| 21:46.33 | Mortvert | so yes | fsck? |
| 21:46.36 | Darkbulb | fsck -a |
| 21:46.38 | abrotman | Mortvert: and i'm about to go away .. so you're at teh mercy of other people :) |
| 21:46.49 | RobinC2 | rm / -r time then |
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| 21:47.10 | Mortvert | abrotman - thanks \o/ |
| 21:47.14 | Darkbulb | RobinC2 we may not be there yet |
| 21:47.16 | Mortvert | also, thanks Darkbulb |
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| 21:47.39 | Darkbulb | Mort how large a disk are you going |
| 21:47.42 | Mortvert | 4 gigs |
| 21:47.47 | Darkbulb | ahh |
| 21:47.49 | Mortvert | (never needed more) |
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| 21:48.12 | Darkbulb | thats ( usually ) under a couple hours |
| 21:48.30 | icarious | abrotman: : ) |
| 21:48.31 | Mortvert | finished |
| 21:48.37 | Mortvert | 2k+ displaced inodes it seems |
| 21:48.59 | Darkbulb | did it finish all passes |
| 21:49.04 | Mortvert | (just how? kobolds mining throught my data?) |
| 21:49.08 | Mortvert | yes. |
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| 21:50.23 | Darkbulb | then you werent too bad and should be golden - I am not sure how you could have disrupted the map unless its dirty buffers |
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| 21:50.48 | Mortvert | i think i know why |
| 21:50.58 | Mortvert | i blew the fuses with my solderer yesterday |
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| 21:51.03 | Mortvert | (dunno if that's the correct word tho) |
| 21:51.12 | RobinC2 | UPS |
| 21:51.14 | Darkbulb | umm yes |
| 21:51.17 | shiloh26 | ompaul? |
| 21:51.19 | Mortvert | RobinC2 - can't afford |
| 21:51.32 | Darkbulb | make one mort |
| 21:51.43 | Darkbulb | if your an electrical engineer its a cinch |
| 21:51.44 | Mortvert | wish i could, lol |
| 21:51.49 | Mortvert | and no, not even close |
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| 21:51.57 | Mortvert | i can barely unsolder anything. |
| 21:52.07 | Mortvert | talk about making circuits |
| 21:52.17 | ompaul | shiloh26: ya |
| 21:52.34 | shiloh26 | ompaul, wont restart gdm |
| 21:52.44 | Darkbulb | Is glad to be switching to electrical engineering for his masters. Its alot cooler then algorithms |
| 21:53.22 | ompaul | shiloh26: dpkg-reconfigure gdm (and this is the price of testing btw) |
| 21:53.39 | shiloh26 | ompaul, understood :-) |
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| 21:54.42 | RobinC2 | is anyone a DD or a packager on here who could take a peak at a multiarch conversion i've just done |
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| 21:55.59 | ompaul | RobinC2: if nobody says yes try #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
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| 21:56.46 | ompaul | shiloh26: why are we on freenode not oftc? |
| 21:57.20 | ompaul | shiloh26: I use kde on so I suggest that other channel we were in was better |
| 21:57.29 | ompaul | there will be people running what you run there |
| 21:57.57 | shiloh26 | ompaul, oks reconfigured, restart? |
| 21:58.06 | ompaul | you could |
| 21:58.43 | shiloh26 | ompaul, wont let me join that, says invite only, im onb dif pc |
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| 21:58.57 | ompaul | shiloh26: you need to identify |
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| 22:02.41 | shiloh26 | ompaul, i dont follow "identify"? |
| 22:03.31 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.37 | ompaul | when you last got into there |
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| 22:05.33 | icarious | i wonder the reactions in #debian if someone said "Debian is based on Ubuntu" :P |
| 22:05.43 | RobinC2 | ompaul, yea i'll pick this up again tomorrow. I've been out of the whole packaging loop for some extended time due to work overload and just picking up thigns again |
| 22:06.03 | ompaul | icarious: laughter |
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| 22:06.11 | shiloh26 | ompaul, yeah other pc uses xhat, this is a friends lappy, with Mirc, im rather lost, lol |
| 22:06.54 | RobinC2 | install Xchat on that too, actually make sure its XChat2 the full opensource one not XChat for windows which you get charged for ;-/ |
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| 22:07.51 | darkblue_b | hi all- what is it that makes a .local host name work or not? is there a package I install? |
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| 22:10.03 | Mortvert | fff- |
| 22:10.10 | Mortvert | my USB HD refuses to spin up with debian |
| 22:10.22 | phenom | freenx or vnc > ssh? |
| 22:10.26 | RobinC2 | darkblue_b, if its for a limited number of users, just edit /etc/hosts/ and add it there else you will need some kind of dns server |
| 22:10.42 | phenom | I should ask if anyone uses freenx probably. |
| 22:10.50 | engla | a .local name is mDNS/avahi ? |
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| 22:11.50 | darkblue_b | hmmm that doesnt seem good.. for example, an app they all use here on Windows will connect to the host with a .local name, if its there |
| 22:12.05 | Mortvert | GAAH |
| 22:12.09 | Mortvert | this HD is driving me crazy |
| 22:12.17 | darkblue_b | I dont get exactly which machines responsibility it is to resolve the name |
| 22:12.17 | Mortvert | it refuses to spin up the platters |
| 22:12.30 | RobinC2 | how is it resolving the .local name? do you have an internal name server on your LAN doing that? |
| 22:12.50 | darkblue_b | I dont know how it works, for many machines, it just works out of the box |
| 22:13.03 | darkblue_b | so there is no explicit name server I have created |
| 22:13.14 | darkblue_b | the Debian6 machine is one of the few that it doesnt work for |
| 22:13.33 | darkblue_b | others are that unmentionable distro built on debian - you know |
| 22:13.41 | RobinC2 | check DNS server config, is it not using the correct internal one? |
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| 22:14.11 | darkblue_b | hmm |
| 22:14.23 | phenom | Has anyone used freenx? |
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| 22:17.33 | shiloh26 | ompaul, apears to be gnome issue |
| 22:17.59 | Mortvert | facepalms |
| 22:18.07 | Mortvert | Why this HD refuses to spin up in linux? |
| 22:18.10 | ompaul | shiloh26: use kdm |
| 22:18.15 | Mortvert | it spins up fine in windows |
| 22:18.27 | shiloh26 | ompaul, you mean kde? |
| 22:19.24 | ompaul | shiloh26 no just kdm to start with so as to see if you can get into the de you have |
| 22:19.47 | ompaul | shiloh26: if you need more you can add kde or lxde or some such after |
| 22:19.56 | Mortvert | eh, any hardware gurus abound? |
| 22:19.56 | shiloh26 | understood |
| 22:20.04 | shiloh26 | tyvm again |
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| 22:20.30 | Mortvert | my USB HD adapter refuses to spin up the HD in debian, the HD spins up just fine when i pin it up to linux box. what can be the issue? |
| 22:21.56 | shiloh26 | ompaul, tbh the new gnome has been kinda, meh as is |
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| 22:22.56 | ompaul | shiloh26: run tasksel (you may have to install it) it might help you some |
| 22:23.04 | ompaul | it#s been a while since I ran it |
| 22:23.10 | ompaul | can't remember exactly |
| 22:24.09 | Orphis | Anybody would know why just "hostname" could return a FQDN ? |
| 22:24.13 | shiloh26 | ompaul, is the KDE 4.2 now? |
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| 22:24.52 | shiloh26 | ahhh, 4.7 |
| 22:25.10 | ompaul | shiloh26: in testing 4.6.7 |
| 22:25.15 | ompaul | 4.7 is rather close |
| 22:25.18 | ompaul | afik |
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| 22:26.38 | Gokee2 | Anyone know of a way to ignore a USB device when plugged in? I tried blacklisting the bluetooth modules but that failed so I tried "install btusb /bin/true" (and the same for bluetooth) and that worked EXCEPT now another module is playing with my device when I plug it in! "[1175082.092518] usb 8-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3" I want the device left alone so I can pass it along to vbox for a nice firmware flashing |
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| 22:27.47 | darkblue_b | there are some entries on /etc/resolv.conf referring to external IP nameservers.. that cant be whats missing for internal, .local names |
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| 22:29.05 | darkblue_b | on another machine, there is a comment.. Do Not Edit this file by hand, your changes will be overwritten.. unnclear whether that applies to debian also and is more explicit information, or whether it is just a slightly different setup |
| 22:29.12 | shiloh26 | ompaul, possible to switch de's without screwing my machine up? |
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| 22:30.37 | ompaul | shiloh26: more or less they just add in more stuff into menus |
| 22:30.42 | ompaul | which you can edit later |
| 22:30.51 | ompaul | so you get to use more and more etc |
| 22:31.00 | shiloh26 | ahhhh |
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| 22:31.11 | shiloh26 | ounds like a plus to me, lol |
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| 22:32.58 | darkblue_b | avahi might be the answer here... |
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| 22:33.27 | Mortvert | /sigh |
| 22:33.38 | Mortvert | this thing really refuses to work on anything but linux box |
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| 22:36.27 | darkblue_b | the avahi-daemon is runnning.. I can use myhostname.local to get to the debian machine.. but on the debian machine I cant use otherhostname.local to get out |
| 22:36.54 | darkblue_b | so its not clear to me which machine /service is responsible for what part of this... |
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| 22:46.23 | HiDeHo | hi all debian is booting to a tty prompt and bypassing the normal boot prompt. how to restart x |
| 22:46.42 | darkblue_b | login and run startx ? |
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| 22:47.54 | HiDeHo | darkblue_b: is that all i need to do |
| 22:48.14 | HiDeHo | what if that does not work anything else i can try before i reboot |
| 22:48.16 | shiloh26 | ompaul, boots to terminal screen only still |
| 22:48.43 | shiloh26 | can i install kde and if so how do i start if via terminal? |
| 22:48.44 | HiDeHo | so many different linux os it gets confusing |
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| 22:49.09 | ompaul | shiloh26: apt-get install kde kdm |
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| 22:49.22 | HiDeHo | shiloh26: terminal comand is sudo apt-get install kde ????? |
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| 22:49.37 | exaboy | what date does crontab use? if i type date it tells me what it should be but i dont reckon its running on the date ive configured the date to be |
| 22:49.39 | HiDeHo | ompaul: sudo apt-get is the way |
| 22:50.31 | ompaul | HiDeHo: if you like drugs :) |
| 22:50.42 | shiloh26 | says kdmfailed (already running |
| 22:50.50 | ompaul | shiloh26: did you install tasksel |
| 22:51.03 | HiDeHo | ompaul: you have to use sudo and type a password in debian man |
| 22:51.15 | HiDeHo | before any comands to run things |
| 22:51.20 | ompaul | shiloh26: have a look at it http://wiki.debian.org/KDE |
| 22:51.22 | shiloh26 | ompaul, yes |
| 22:51.46 | ompaul | HiDeHo: I have used sudo before I think I might have been making a little joke |
| 22:51.53 | ompaul | I may use it in work |
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| 22:52.26 | ompaul | shiloh26: tasksel kde-full << as rook |
| 22:52.30 | ompaul | root even |
| 22:53.05 | shiloh26 | if its there and running how come i have terminalscreen and no gui? |
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| 22:53.20 | HiDeHo | sudo runs the comands in root |
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| 22:55.27 | ompaul | HiDeHo: no it does not, it provides an evironment for roots ability to be used there is sudo -i sudo -s and sudo bash my preference is for -i but others have other ideas - visudo might be your friend please stop |
| 22:56.06 | ompaul | shiloh26: tell me have you typed apt-get install tasksel yet? |
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| 22:56.40 | shiloh26 | omp-aul, indeed i do |
| 22:56.47 | shiloh26 | ompaul* |
| 22:57.02 | ompaul | shiloh26: and now did you do the second one tasksel kde-full ? |
| 22:57.16 | ompaul | tasksel kde-full |
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| 22:57.49 | shiloh26 | i did: tasksel kde-full |
| 22:58.01 | shiloh26 | in terminal |
| 22:58.03 | shiloh26 | as root |
| 22:58.03 | ompaul | shiloh26: and has that finished? |
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| 22:58.18 | shiloh26 | well it brought up a menue |
| 22:58.26 | ompaul | what was in the menu? |
| 22:58.34 | ompaul | what is in that menu? |
| 22:59.02 | shiloh26 | 3 main things, one has a submenue of 5 |
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| 22:59.51 | shiloh26 | tasksel install <task> |
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| 23:00.03 | shiloh26 | tasksel remove <task> |
| 23:00.15 | shiloh26 | tasksel [options] |
| 23:00.29 | shiloh26 | -t, --test |
| 23:00.29 | hivemind | oh, thank you, guys, i'm set an internet connection |
| 23:00.34 | shiloh26 | --new inastall |
| 23:00.38 | ompaul | tasksel install kde-full |
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| 23:01.07 | shiloh26 | --cool |
| 23:01.12 | shiloh26 | cool |
| 23:01.13 | Mortvert | eh.. |
| 23:01.15 | shiloh26 | dne |
| 23:01.18 | shiloh26 | done |
| 23:01.49 | Storfiskaren | brum brum |
| 23:02.35 | Mortvert | how can i list all connected USB devices? |
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| 23:02.43 | ompaul | Mortvert: lsusb |
| 23:02.52 | ompaul | shiloh26: ehn - that should work |
| 23:03.03 | shiloh26 | cool, restart it? |
| 23:03.06 | Mortvert | great, it doesn't list my USB HD adapter ._. |
| 23:03.17 | Mortvert | and it is connected and DMESG did show it |
| 23:03.30 | ompaul | shiloh26: I would |
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| 23:04.28 | shiloh26 | oks restarting, tyvm again |
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| 23:04.53 | ompaul | shiloh26: I'll have to go shortly |
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| 23:05.48 | shiloh26 | booted to terminal screen |
| 23:06.10 | ompaul | shiloh26: no kdm? |
| 23:06.27 | shiloh26 | black screen, white letter login |
| 23:06.32 | ompaul | shiloh26: log in and run the following apt-get install kdm |
| 23:07.18 | shiloh26 | already there |
| 23:07.23 | ompaul | shiloh26: as far as I know you should have downloaded lots of kde stuff with that last set of commands we used before you logged back on |
| 23:07.31 | shiloh26 | it did |
| 23:07.37 | ompaul | shiloh26: dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 23:07.50 | ompaul | choose it over gdm |
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| 23:08.17 | shiloh26 | ompaul done |
| 23:08.28 | shiloh26 | huh? |
| 23:08.35 | shiloh26 | there was no choices |
| 23:08.39 | ompaul | shiloh26: type this: service kde start |
| 23:08.44 | ompaul | sorry |
| 23:08.49 | ompaul | shiloh26: type this: service kde start |
| 23:08.53 | ompaul | shiloh26: type this: service kde start |
| 23:09.01 | ompaul | shiloh26: type this: service kdm start |
| 23:09.03 | ompaul | that one |
| 23:09.20 | shiloh26 | already running |
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| 23:09.30 | ompaul | shiloh26: type this: service kdm restart |
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| 23:09.50 | shiloh26 | oks done |
| 23:09.52 | exaboy | ? |
| 23:10.33 | ompaul | shiloh26: does CTRL ALT F7 give you anything useful (if not CTRL ALT F1 or F2 ... until you get back here |
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| 23:11.13 | shiloh26 | nope nothing |
| 23:11.29 | ompaul | shiloh26: I give up |
| 23:11.35 | shiloh26 | sorry, lol |
| 23:11.45 | shiloh26 | darn thing :-) |
| 23:12.09 | ompaul | shiloh26: fresh install and this time with kde? I can't work out why it should be so broken |
| 23:12.18 | ompaul | anyway there I'll leave it |
| 23:12.23 | ompaul | gtg |
| 23:12.37 | shiloh26 | have a good one and tyvm |
| 23:12.39 | shiloh26 | :-) |
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| 23:18.27 | shiloh26 | error is /var/run/kdm.pid not found |
| 23:19.42 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... i am trying to run mencoder here but it says to me that mp3 lame is not compiled with mplayer ... will it resolve the problem when i re-install mplayer ? |
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| 23:20.59 | Storfiskaren | shiloh26: is kdm running if you look in top? |
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| 23:21.42 | shiloh26 | yes, says it is |
| 23:22.06 | shiloh26 | Storfiskaren, it says its running |
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| 23:22.30 | Storfiskaren | have you tried to manually kill it and then start it? |
| 23:22.31 | shiloh26 | last output is Starting K Display Manager |
| 23:22.43 | shiloh26 | :kdm |
| 23:23.49 | Storfiskaren | and still no gui? |
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| 23:24.00 | shiloh26 | no gui |
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| 23:25.23 | Storfiskaren | seems I don't know more about this issue either |
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| 23:25.44 | Storfiskaren | have you read the logs in /var/logs? |
| 23:25.55 | shiloh26 | Storfiskaren, yes |
| 23:26.23 | shiloh26 | Storfiskaren, no idea what or where those are |
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| 23:27.52 | Storfiskaren | I'm sorry, I got nothing more |
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| 23:28.24 | shiloh26 | no worries |
| 23:28.28 | Storfiskaren | shiloh26: hang in the channel. I'm probably one of the least skilled here :p |
| 23:28.35 | Storfiskaren | off to bed |
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| 23:28.41 | shiloh26 | be well |
| 23:31.53 | zykotick9 | cobra-the-joker: are you trying the mencoder from debian or D-M? I don't know the specifics in this case - but would think it more likely that D-M's mencoder would have MP3 built in vs. Debian's version. |
| 23:32.47 | cobra-the-joker | zykotick9, its debian stable version ... whats D-M ? |
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| 23:35.55 | zykotick9 | cobra-the-joker: D-M is debian-multimedia.org/ - the 3rd party repo with media stuff that patents prevent from being included in the main repo |
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| 23:39.51 | cobra-the-joker | zykotick9, how can i tell it to install from multimedia and not from the squeeze repos |
| 23:41.00 | zykotick9 | cobra-the-joker: "apt-cache policy mencoder" should tell you |
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| 23:41.36 | cobra-the-joker | zykotick9, ok |
| 23:41.41 | zykotick9 | cobra-the-joker: oh sorry, that will show you where it is installed from. I'm not really sure how to specify. |
| 23:41.54 | cobra-the-joker | hmmm ok |
| 23:41.56 | zykotick9 | cobra-the-joker: it will depend on the pinning |
| 23:42.03 | cobra-the-joker | pinning ? |
| 23:42.28 | zykotick9 | cobra-the-joker: i'm quite sure that d-m will have priority over the default repo |
| 23:42.45 | cobra-the-joker | zykotick9, great then |
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| 23:43.41 | zykotick9 | cobra-the-joker: you can see the pinning priorty with the apt-cache policy command, the number before the ftp/http of the repo is the pinning priority |
| 23:43.56 | cobra-the-joker | aha |
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| 23:44.21 | orflon | hello, could anyone help me update the java plugin? It's outdated. I downloaded the new source from sun's site, and made a symblink in my plugins directory. What else should I do? I'm confused with all those Java packages. |
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| 23:49.09 | zykotick9 | this is embarrasing, how do I msg dpkg with irssi? (i'm an irssi noob) "/msg dpkg squeeze" for example, opens a new tab/query windows with dpkg - but I don't get the output of the factoid. |
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| 23:51.47 | Vasistha | I'm having trouble with a computer frequently disconnecting/reconnecting to wireless internet. According to the log it has disconnected/reconnected approx once per minute every minute since I started the computer 10 minutes ago |
| 23:52.21 | Vasistha | I'm using wicd to automatically connect (which works just fine on my own laptop with -- I believe -- the same wireless card (I should double check that) although my own is still on oldstable/lenny) |
| 23:52.25 | exaboy | what date does crontab use? if i type date it tells me what it should be but i dont reckon its running on the date ive configured the date to be :( |
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| 23:52.47 | Vasistha | exaboy: it might be using UTC as opposed to your local timezone |
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| 23:55.20 | thewanderer1 | oh btw. I've always wondered, if you set a cronjob to 01:05 and there's a timezone shift from 02:00 to 01:00, will that execute twice on the given transition day? |
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| 23:55.48 | gimpy941 | thewanderer1: No, it will not. |
| 23:56.44 | thewanderer1 | how cool :P |
| 23:57.49 | gimpy941 | thewanderer1: At least not in the last cron I saw such a posilbility it did not, I'm faily sure Debian is the same. |
