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| 00:03.57 | kresp0 | why the console fonts look so bad after installing nvidia-glx ? |
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| 00:19.09 | Morgawr | hey guys, I currently have a 32bit debian system installed in a virtual machine, the base system however is 64bit. Is there a way to make it a 64bit system? Or do I have to reinstall everything? Does just compiling the kernel for 64bit work? |
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| 00:20.18 | nvz | Morgawr: if your kernel isn't already 64but then nothing is |
| 00:20.21 | lstarnes | Morgawr: reinstalling the system would be the most likely method to succeed |
| 00:20.47 | Morgawr | why can't I just compile the kernel for 64bit? (pure theoretical question, I'm intrigued) |
| 00:21.05 | lstarnes | Morgawr: the userland is still 32-bit |
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| 00:21.34 | nvz | Morgawr: in theory if your hardware supports 64bit, you would just need to install a 64bit kernel not compile one, and that doest effect the userland |
| 00:21.39 | Morgawr | I equally use Windows and Linux... on windows I can still run 32bit applications in 64bit... wouldn't that work in linux? |
| 00:21.44 | lstarnes | yes |
| 00:21.49 | nvz | if you have a 32bit kernel now, then your userland is also 64bit or it would not be working |
| 00:22.02 | lstarnes | but you need to have 64-bit userland to have most of the advantages of a 64-bit system |
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| 00:22.15 | nvz | erm |
| 00:22.33 | Morgawr | I don't really care about "most of the advantages", I just need to run a program that runs only in 64bit but I have a 32bit system (on a 64bit "hardware" inside a VM) |
| 00:22.37 | Morgawr | all I need is to run that program... |
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| 00:23.13 | lstarnes | Morgawr: then you need to have all a full 64-bit userland |
| 00:23.33 | lstarnes | Morgawr: all of the libraries it uses must also have 64-bit versions installed |
| 00:23.37 | Morgawr | okay, I guess I'll just get myself another virtual machine.. :) always wanted to try OpenSUSE hah |
| 00:23.59 | lstarnes | opensuse has the same limitation |
| 00:24.09 | Morgawr | well, I will install it with 64bit :) |
| 00:24.23 | Morgawr | really, my i5 supports 64 bit obviously, I just need a linux system with it |
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| 00:28.37 | cnz | how do you run ls and grep only a certain title |
| 00:28.52 | cnz | like anything ending in .txt |
| 00:28.58 | Morgawr | ls *.txt? |
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| 00:30.21 | babilen | !tell cnz -about using find |
| 00:30.35 | babilen | cnz: What are you really trying to do? |
| 00:30.52 | cnz | ok let me refraze im trying to do ls and only have it output everything that starts with things that start with like PS3 or XBOX |
| 00:30.57 | cnz | and have it list only those folders |
| 00:31.00 | Morgawr | well |
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| 00:31.05 | Morgawr | you use regular expressions |
| 00:31.09 | Morgawr | ls PS3* |
| 00:31.15 | Morgawr | should output everything starting with PS3 |
| 00:31.19 | Morgawr | afaik |
| 00:31.26 | babilen | s/regular expressions/globbing/ |
| 00:31.30 | cnz | Morgawr, no that lists the files inside those dirctories |
| 00:31.39 | Morgawr | babilen: yeah sorr |
| 00:31.41 | Morgawr | sorry* |
| 00:31.46 | babilen | Morgawr: No problem :) |
| 00:32.04 | Morgawr | cnz: so you're trying to output DIRECTORIES? Afaik ls doesn't go inside directories without the recursive flag |
| 00:32.13 | cnz | no |
| 00:32.27 | cnz | I want to list all the games i have that are xbox related |
| 00:32.57 | Morgawr | find . -name PS3* |
| 00:33.10 | Morgawr | or am I wrong? |
| 00:33.11 | cnz | oh ls doesn't work that way ? |
| 00:33.18 | Morgawr | I think ls does that too |
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| 00:33.43 | babilen | cnz: find . -maxdepth 1 -name "PS3" -print |
| 00:33.56 | babilen | err, "PS3*" |
| 00:34.07 | cnz | will try that |
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| 00:34.20 | babilen | What do you need it for? |
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| 00:34.45 | cnz | that worked thanks |
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| 00:34.59 | cnz | wanted to see waht xbox/ps3 games I have downloaded |
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| 00:35.13 | babilen | If you only want directories you can also give "-type d" at the beginning -- Reading the article referenced in the factoid dpkg sent you is highly recommended |
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| 00:35.27 | Morgawr | yeah, man is your best friend :) |
| 00:35.42 | cnz | yeah wasn't sure if ls was the right command or not |
| 00:35.58 | slugzzz | Hey all... what's this error all about: "/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.15' not found" |
| 00:36.07 | cnz | thanks babilen and Morgawr |
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| 00:36.21 | Morgawr | slugzzz: it doesn't find the right version? |
| 00:36.25 | Morgawr | at first glance |
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| 00:36.54 | slugzzz | ... but with Debian 6, shouldn't I have the right version of gcc? |
| 00:37.04 | slugzzz | I mean latest* |
| 00:38.06 | Morgawr | I don't know if this might help slugzzz, but I found this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5216399/usr-lib-libstdc-so-6-version-glibcxx-3-4-15-not-found |
| 00:38.29 | slugzzz | Yeah... I saw that... |
| 00:38.43 | slugzzz | I am not sure how to implament the solution they've suggested. |
| 00:38.50 | Morgawr | http://buildall.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/glibcxx_3-4-15-not-found-after-install-gcc-4-6/ also this... |
| 00:38.57 | Morgawr | but anyhow, what are you trying to do that gives you that error? |
| 00:39.10 | babilen | slugzzz: What are you running? |
| 00:39.11 | slugzzz | Just run a game. |
| 00:39.14 | slugzzz | bit.trip.runner |
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| 00:39.36 | babilen | slugzzz: I would suggest to recompile it against a recent version of libstdc++6 |
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| 00:41.19 | slugzzz | grumble grumble... |
| 00:41.34 | slugzzz | lol |
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| 00:41.51 | slugzzz | Well, I don't have the source code for bit.trip.runner |
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| 00:42.15 | slugzzz | ... it's a commercial indie game. |
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| 00:43.19 | babilen | slugzzz: You need a newer version of libstdc++.so.6 -- I wouldn't recommend to follow their solution. You can probably run it in a wheezy/sid chroot/virtual machine. |
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| 00:48.57 | blizzkid | lo all, first of all I'm running #ubuntu, but I need some tech savy guys, and #ubunu is flooded by noobs, so I come here for my problem. I'm running hostapd on Lucid. When I try to connect my clients (wpa2) it keeps looping over "authenticated", "associated", "radius starting accounting session", "wpa pairwise key handshake completed (rsn)", "disassociated", "deauthenticated" and clients never get a completed connection |
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| 00:50.05 | blizzkid | If anyone would be able to help get my setup fixed, that would be great |
| 00:50.13 | babilen | blizzkid: Install Debian and you are welcome here. Until then you have to get support in #ubuntu as we *only* support Debian here. You could try #ubuntu-server though. |
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| 00:52.21 | Morgawr | blizzkid: really, this is the debian channel, if you want more specific help about linux and its programs in general you could try either with the specific program's support channel or on the ##linux channel |
| 00:52.34 | Morgawr | Debian and Ubuntu aren't the same anymore, Ubuntu branched off pretty far now... |
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| 00:53.07 | blizzkid | Morgawr: I know, but Lucid is still really close to Debian |
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| 00:53.23 | blizzkid | but I understand you guys ;) |
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| 00:53.44 | Morgawr | we would't really know how to solve that issue... |
| 00:53.49 | lotus-blade | I am getting an out of range erro. any way to fix this? |
| 00:54.14 | ompaul | blizzkid: so the error is that you need to get a debian instal ldisk :) |
| 00:54.21 | Morgawr | lotus-blade: related to what? |
| 00:54.30 | blizzkid | ompaul: lol |
| 00:54.34 | Bublik2002 | hey guys i have a few questions... i'm currently running ubuntu 11.10 on my desktop and fedora 16 on my laptop... i really like both of them but wanted to give debian a shot..... how hard is it to install gnome 3.2 in debian? |
| 00:54.40 | ompaul | I'm serious |
| 00:54.44 | Bublik2002 | because i saw that it comes with gnome 2 out of the box |
| 00:54.54 | lotus-blade | radeon 5450 driver |
| 00:54.55 | Morgawr | Bublik2002: I think Debian Testing comes with Gnome 3 already... |
| 00:54.57 | Morgawr | but I might be wrong |
| 00:55.17 | babilen | it does |
| 00:55.23 | Morgawr | then it's all good :) |
| 00:55.24 | Bublik2002 | would debian testing be as stable as the other two distros? |
| 00:55.47 | babilen | !stable |
| 00:55.47 | lotus-blade | monito says out of range |
| 00:55.47 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Squeeze (6.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
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| 00:56.00 | LastStraw | Bublik2002: I am running testing now with gnome 3 and had had no problems |
| 00:56.07 | LastStraw | *have |
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| 00:56.28 | Morgawr | "Testing" just means that it's in testing cycle to become candidate for stable... the "Unstable" one might be unstable, but Testing should be working well... |
| 00:56.43 | Bublik2002 | what kernel does testing run? |
| 00:57.01 | Morgawr | last time I tried it I think it ran the 3.0.* |
| 00:57.07 | babilen | Bublik2002: The definition of "stable" in Debian has nothing to do with not-broken or not-buggy. And testing is definitely not stable in that sense. It is a rough ride sometimes and you need some knowledge of Debian packaging and system administration, but I have no idea how buggy/borken those other distributions are. |
| 00:57.21 | LastStraw | 3.0.0 |
| 00:57.25 | ompaul | Bublik2002: that is not the measure or anything like a good one |
| 00:57.41 | babilen | Bublik2002: Which architecture? |
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| 00:57.50 | LastStraw | it asks in the install if you want to stick with 2.6 though |
| 00:57.53 | Morgawr | but really, you can install your own kernel in whatever distro. I am using Debian Stable with a 3.2 kernel patched |
| 00:57.54 | Bublik2002 | i5 on my laptop |
| 00:58.09 | ompaul | !kmuto |
| 00:58.09 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 2.6.39) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/i386/ch04s03 |
| 00:58.18 | Bublik2002 | AMD phenom on my desktop |
| 00:58.36 | LastStraw | I am running the 32 bit, but they have 64 too |
| 00:58.55 | babilen | Bublik2002: fwiw, wheezy has 3.1.0-1-686-pae -- For SB you really want a newer kernel than the one in stable, but wheezy should be fine. Note that testing/unstable support is done in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 00:59.18 | Bublik2002 | ok.. if i choose to install debian 6.0.3 stable... how hard is it to install gnome 3.2? |
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| 01:00.00 | Morgawr | this is what I found on google when I looked for it a few days ago, idk if it's true... http://raphaelhertzog.com/2011/06/16/installing-gnome-3-on-debian-6-0-squeeze-no-sorry/ |
| 01:00.04 | babilen | not possible, you have to switch to wheezy/sid |
| 01:00.49 | babilen | well, it is possible, but your system wouldn't remotely resemble squeeze anymore :) |
| 01:01.07 | Bublik2002 | ok ... so is wheezy the next one to become stable? sorry im kinda a linux newb... havent ran it since 1999 |
| 01:01.14 | babilen | yes |
| 01:01.20 | babilen | !tell Bublik2002 -about testing |
| 01:01.21 | Bublik2002 | back then i used to run slackware |
| 01:01.32 | DogBoy | I was younger back then |
| 01:01.33 | dax | and http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.2-status.html says how much of 3.2 is in unstable and wheezy, I find it rather useful :) |
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| 01:02.20 | Bublik2002 | lol |
| 01:02.21 | Morgawr | Can I run Microsoft Windows (tm) in Debian? |
| 01:02.51 | Bublik2002 | what is the upgrade process... when wheezy becomes stable? |
| 01:03.02 | babilen | Morgawr: Run it in a virtual machine such as kvm or virtualbox |
| 01:03.07 | Bublik2002 | do I just backup my files and do a clean install or how is it usually done/ |
| 01:03.09 | LastStraw | Mograwr: like a virtual machine? |
| 01:03.16 | Morgawr | lol 'twas just a joke :D |
| 01:03.45 | babilen | Bublik2002: The upgrade from squeeze to wheezy will be detailed in wheezy's release notes. (just like the upgrade process to squeeze is detailed in squeeze's release notes) |
| 01:04.06 | Bublik2002 | i think he was just picking on me :( |
| 01:04.13 | jaakkos | Morgawr: we run many windows servers in debian under kvm in our company :) |
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| 01:04.40 | babilen | Bublik2002: Disregard it -- wasn't really funny. ;) |
| 01:04.42 | Morgawr | jaakkos: oh well, I'm currently running all my linux systems on this machine (have 4-5) from inside windows 7 :) |
| 01:04.48 | Morgawr | but I'm going to delete this and go full linux soon |
| 01:05.14 | nsadmin | Bublik2002, a handy thing would be if your /home were on a separate partition... even more handy would be if all your partitions were on LVM |
| 01:05.15 | Bublik2002 | not from squeeze.... if i run wheezy now... when it becomes stable.. what is the upgrade process? |
| 01:05.31 | blackshirt | Morgawr that was greats |
| 01:05.39 | nsadmin | update, dist-upgrade |
| 01:05.40 | nsadmin | done |
| 01:05.52 | babilen | Bublik2002: there is none -- you *are* running wheezy then. |
| 01:05.53 | ompaul | Bublik2002: if I understand you nsadmin just told ay |
| 01:06.22 | Bublik2002 | oh sounds simple enough |
| 01:06.27 | ompaul | Bublik2002: a state of broken becomes less broken and then you get security fixes for its life span |
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| 01:06.44 | nsadmin | but if you're running squeeze now, then there is preparation to do |
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| 01:07.14 | babilen | Bublik2002: Provided that you use "wheezy" and not "testing" in your sources.list -- You keep that system up-to-date just like any other Debian system as well with "apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade" (or dist-upgrade if really necessary, or with aptitude, or ..) |
| 01:07.31 | ompaul | Bublik2002: if you run straight debian the upgrade path is kind of simple, if you use mad ideas you get from random web pages prepare to reinstall cleanly |
| 01:07.45 | babilen | Yeah, don't listen to the web :) |
| 01:08.06 | nsadmin | right, none of "stable", "testing", "unstable" should be in your sources.list under most cases |
| 01:08.18 | Bublik2002 | so wheezy will never become stable? |
| 01:08.19 | nsadmin | you should use the actual codename instead |
| 01:08.30 | Bublik2002 | or will it be called something else by then? |
| 01:08.37 | babilen | And *never* mix stable with anything but backports. You can mix testing with unstable, but you should never ever ever mix it with other "debian-based" repos or unsupported-third party ones |
| 01:08.37 | ompaul | Bublik2002: wrong, it most certainly will and it will be called wheezy |
| 01:08.50 | Bublik2002 | when is it expected to become stable? |
| 01:08.54 | babilen | Bublik2002: No, the name will stay the same. |
| 01:09.06 | nsadmin | Bublik2002, it will always be called wheezy, but it will NOT always be called testing |
| 01:09.21 | babilen | Bublik2002: It will be frozen next summer and nobody knows how long it takes us to fix all the release critical bugs. |
| 01:09.25 | nsadmin | that's why you shuld use wheezy and NOT testing |
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| 01:10.03 | Bublik2002 | thank you for your help guys... ill try it out and get back if i have more questions.. have a good night |
| 01:10.35 | babilen | have fun |
| 01:10.38 | nsadmin | because then... |
| 01:10.48 | nsadmin | you will not be surprised with... |
| 01:10.59 | babilen | Bublik2002: Ah, and if you want to try wheezy: Install a minimal squeeze system first and take it from there. |
| 01:11.02 | nsadmin | a very large update when the change happens |
| 01:11.33 | ompaul | I note the time says it's sunday |
| 01:11.35 | Bublik2002 | so i should install squeeze first then upgrad? |
| 01:11.38 | Bublik2002 | upgrade* |
| 01:11.40 | ompaul | yes |
| 01:11.58 | Bublik2002 | why? |
| 01:12.07 | ompaul | it works |
| 01:12.09 | babilen | because it works |
| 01:12.12 | babilen | heh |
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| 01:12.32 | ompaul | babilen the verbose |
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| 01:12.34 | Bublik2002 | im confused... so i cant just install wheezy straight up? |
| 01:13.04 | ompaul | Bublik2002: you can test the installer but it might not install a full system the way we suggest gets it 100% right |
| 01:13.05 | Morgawr | Bublik2002: you can, I did that a few times |
| 01:13.14 | babilen | Note #639290 and #638950 though (bug numbers, check bugs.debian.org) |
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| 01:13.59 | nsadmin | sure you can... and, since you have debian installed, you can also upgrade it to wheezy |
| 01:14.01 | Bublik2002 | ok if i install squeeze what do i do to upgrade to wheezy? the two commands you said before? |
| 01:14.06 | babilen | Bublik2002: You could try to use the *stable* installer to install wheezy, but the recommended way is to install squeeze first. The testing installer is most likely borken (at least that was my impression by what people complained about in here) |
| 01:14.12 | Bublik2002 | i dont have debian installed |
| 01:14.18 | ompaul | Bublik2002: no you come back and we will tell you |
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| 01:14.25 | nsadmin | ok, what do you want to do? |
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| 01:14.44 | nsadmin | I've been apparantly confused up to this point |
| 01:14.54 | Bublik2002 | i want to try debian .... i run ubuntu currently |
| 01:15.01 | Bublik2002 | but i want to run debian with gnome 3.2 |
| 01:15.06 | Morgawr | honestly I don't know guys, my testing installer always worked fine (but I'm in a VM so idk if that is different) |
| 01:15.13 | babilen | Bublik2002: Remove squeeze specific entries in your sources.list (updates, squeeze-updates, backports, ...), change "squeeze" to "wheezy" - "apt-get dist-upgrade" -- Make sure you have apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges installed. |
| 01:15.23 | nsadmin | how much disk space do you have not yet in any partition? |
| 01:15.42 | Bublik2002 | i have 2.5 terrabytes |
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| 01:15.52 | nsadmin | babilen, he just said no debian is yet installed :) |
| 01:15.53 | Bublik2002 | 2 1 tb hds and a 500... all pretty much empty |
| 01:16.07 | ompaul | Bublik2002: how much not partitioned? |
| 01:16.11 | babilen | nsadmin: (S)he asked, I answer :) |
| 01:16.25 | nsadmin | that's true, and I was confused too |
| 01:16.32 | rizladude | Bublik2002: you wont get gnome 3.2 |
| 01:16.38 | ompaul | nsadmin: you are not confused, you are nsadmin |
| 01:16.41 | ompaul | tuts |
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| 01:16.45 | rizladude | Bublik2002: all you will get is gnome 3.0 for the moment |
| 01:16.53 | Bublik2002 | they are all partitioned full other than the one i have ubuntu on has a 4 gb swap partition |
| 01:17.18 | babilen | rizladude: yeah, good to explicitly note that. Wheezy *will* get gnome3.2 in due course though, but it currently lingers in experimental/sid/wheezy. |
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| 01:17.29 | nsadmin | ompaul, ahh, so an nsadmin is constantly confused, I guess :) |
| 01:17.43 | ompaul | nhehe |
| 01:18.00 | rizladude | babilen: that's what i meant ;) |
| 01:18.21 | rizladude | babilen: just noted it because Bublik2002 asked for especially for gnome 3.2 |
| 01:18.40 | rizladude | and you guys are advising him to use testing, so he wont get gnome 3.2 |
| 01:18.46 | Bublik2002 | oh :( |
| 01:19.01 | Bublik2002 | so i should stick with ubuntu/fedora for now i guess |
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| 01:19.04 | babilen | rizladude: yeah, good that you explicitly mentioned it. |
| 01:20.01 | nsadmin | well the thing is that if you use testing instead of stable, you'd also have to learn to take care of problems that come up |
| 01:20.11 | babilen | It's not that hard to pull gnome3.2 into testing though -- But that will certainly result in some interesting exercises that will teach one about Debian :) |
| 01:20.20 | nsadmin | which at minimum come up more often than in stable |
| 01:20.23 | rizladude | Bublik2002: you can install debian wheezy/testing and use gnome 3.0, waiting for gnome 3.2 come into testing in a few weeks or month. you can go install debian and upgrade to unstable/sid and can use 106 out of 137 packages from gnome 3.2 so far, its not fully gnome 3.2 but i guess it will be in less than 4 weeks. |
| 01:20.28 | babilen | (that is a *very* positive way to see it) |
| 01:20.48 | rizladude | s/month/months/ |
| 01:20.58 | Bublik2002 | ok thank you for the great support... i gotta run to dinner.. ill be back in a bit |
| 01:21.25 | nsadmin | sid/unstable IS NOT an upgrade |
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| 01:22.05 | babilen | Bublik2002: You can even pull packages from experimental -- There are a lot of things that you *can* do and a lot of them will mean that you have to do more and more work to keep your system running. And sid is *not* an upgrade. You effectively run a development branch of Debian and it is a rough ride once in a while. |
| 01:22.23 | nsadmin | the reason for testing and for sid, the -original- reason, is to prepare the next stable release in part by making it available to everyone so they can try it and comment |
| 01:23.05 | babilen | it is the only reason IMHO :) |
| 01:23.07 | rizladude | the reason for me is the usage of newer software ;) |
| 01:23.08 | Morgawr | the good thing of using linux and FOSS is that you can pretty much do whatever you want. Nothing is impossible..you just need to work on it |
| 01:23.40 | Morgawr | honestly, I use equally Debian and Gentoo... I use Gentoo if I want up to date unstable software with bleeding edge patches, I use Debian Stable if I just want to work and chill on my linux system |
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| 01:24.56 | nsadmin | rizladude, that's up to you I suppose... if it hasn't been said yet, I'll just say it's not welcomed here to advocate use of sid -especially- to people who haven't used debian at all yet |
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| 01:26.09 | rizladude | nsadmin: i didnt know that, but i didnt advocate the use of sid, i just told the possibilities he has. its up to him what he will do. |
| 01:26.21 | nsadmin | who uses ardour, jack and linux-kernel-3.x? |
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| 01:30.05 | rizladude | for me, i just wanna use debian _and_ the newest software as possible. and i report bugs where it is needed. so i do both i guess. anyways i dont wanna teach anybody how or what to use. i think thats the responsibility of the user himself, if he can read, he will find the advices necessary for the usage of stable/testing and unstable. |
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| 02:12.15 | macrobat | is there a channel where sid isn't offtopic? |
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| 02:13.43 | dax | "wheezy/sid: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net)" ~ /topic |
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| 02:14.51 | rue_house | hellp all, I have a keybaord arrow key repeat problem |
| 02:15.00 | macrobat | great |
| 02:15.09 | rue_house | https://bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=184571&action=edit the bug to that patch actually |
| 02:15.30 | rue_house | anyone know if its fixed now? |
| 02:16.07 | rue_house | my xorg server seems to be 1.7.7 but the upgrade seems to be 1.7.6 |
| 02:16.11 | rue_house | ?!?!?!?! |
| 02:17.38 | rue_house | it partly happened with a kernel upgrade |
| 02:18.02 | rue_house | its like adding the kernel level input system hosed x |
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| 02:26.13 | rue_house | nobody awake |
| 02:26.40 | Vasistha | it's saturday night ... maybe nobody home |
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| 02:27.17 | pksadiq | Vasistha: not exactly for all here sunday morning +5:30 |
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| 02:28.18 | rue_house | why do I have to install every video server to upgrade my Xorg keyboard input module? |
| 02:28.32 | rue_house | I dont wantot upgrade X, its a pain in the but |
| 02:30.28 | Vasistha | rue_house: did you say you are using xorg server 1.7.7? |
| 02:30.28 | lotus-blade | has anyone had any luck with ati hd video cards in testing? |
| 02:30.37 | rue_house | Vasistha, yes! |
| 02:30.46 | rue_house | why is the new one 1.7.6? |
| 02:30.50 | Vasistha | rue_house: well, then you're not using debian, and we can't really haelp you |
| 02:30.58 | rue_house | hu? |
| 02:31.30 | rue_house | I highly doubt its possable I compiled my own X server |
| 02:31.39 | rue_house | without knowing |
| 02:32.15 | Vasistha | rue_house: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=xserver-xorg&searchon=names&exact=1&suite=all§ion=all |
| 02:32.23 | Vasistha | rue_house: what does /etc/issue say? |
| 02:32.39 | rue_house | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l |
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| 02:33.07 | Vasistha | rue_house: 4.0?? that is very old, stable is 6.0, and oldstable is 5.0 |
| 02:33.16 | Vasistha | rue_house: what distro are you *really* using? |
| 02:33.23 | rue_house | its true blue debian |
| 02:33.49 | Vasistha | okay, then what does this return: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 02:33.52 | rue_house | I havn't had to reinstall it since about 2001 |
| 02:34.20 | rue_house | oops wait, I was logged into the fileserver |
| 02:34.21 | dvs | rue_house: but you probably have security holes up the ying-yang |
| 02:34.22 | Vasistha | well, that's cool, but have you done proper dist-upgrades with apt that whole time? |
| 02:34.34 | rue_house | test |
| 02:34.40 | rue_house | hehe one min... |
| 02:34.56 | rue_house | Debian GNU/Linux squeeze/sid \n \l |
| 02:34.59 | Vasistha | uhm, you should update that file server... |
| 02:35.10 | rue_house | NO! its a P100, it cant take anymore |
| 02:35.22 | Vasistha | heh. well I guess that's it then. |
| 02:35.27 | rue_house | libc6 2.13-18 |
| 02:35.33 | rue_house | no, this is my desktop I'm having the problem with |
| 02:35.44 | rue_house | Ijust grabbed the wrong console |
| 02:35.55 | Vasistha | yeah I gotcha |
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| 02:36.04 | rue_house | ok so, about X 1.7.7 |
| 02:36.12 | Vasistha | dpkg -l xserver-xorg |
| 02:36.14 | dpkg | ii xserver-xorg 2.2-13 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 02:36.17 | Vasistha | erm |
| 02:36.29 | Vasistha | wait, is that even the right one? |
| 02:36.41 | kj4 | |msg nickserv identify iStillPoopMyPants |
| 02:36.43 | rue_house | ii xserver-xorg 1:7.5+7 the X.Org X server |
| 02:36.53 | rue_house | I'm confused! |
| 02:36.55 | Vasistha | kj4: wow, what a brilliant password |
| 02:37.06 | kj4 | Vasistha: wut |
| 02:37.14 | Vasistha | [18:36] <kj4> |msg nickserv identify iStillPoopMyPants |
| 02:37.20 | kj4 | ono |
| 02:37.29 | Vasistha | kj4: you might want to change it ... now |
| 02:37.30 | robb4n | lol |
| 02:37.33 | rue_house | haha new you need a new pass |
| 02:37.37 | kj4 | my pants? |
| 02:37.44 | Vasistha | I think he needed a new pass anyway |
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| 02:38.13 | Vasistha | rue_house: well first off you are not running xorg 1.7.7, you are running 1:7.5+7 |
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| 02:38.27 | rue_house | the down arrow key hits enter too |
| 02:38.42 | rue_house | ok, xorg said 1.7.7, but ok |
| 02:39.06 | Vasistha | rue_house: ...which looks like it's one number behind the latest official squeeze version. So I think you should start with a simple update/upgrade |
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| 02:39.22 | rue_house | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:39.40 | Vasistha | how confusing that xorg itself would report a number different from what debian reports |
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| 02:39.51 | rue_house | ok, lets move to my next gripe, why does upgrading X mean I have to install every video server there ever was? |
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| 02:40.44 | Vasistha | unfortunately I don't see any newer keyboard driver for squeeze, that looks like it's the current one |
| 02:40.52 | dvs | rue_house: virtual package for video cards |
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| 02:41.06 | rue_house | what to I remove? |
| 02:41.27 | Vasistha | rue_house: it installs it all so that the system will be robust and work on virtually any computer |
| 02:41.43 | rue_house | it only needs to work on my computer |
| 02:41.52 | Vasistha | rue_house: it makes it much easier for average joe to install, as well as upgrade |
| 02:42.03 | rue_house | I dont have enough hard drive space to put everything on my computer to make it work on every other computer in the world |
| 02:42.23 | rue_house | ok what do I remove to kill the depedency that causes it to install every video server? |
| 02:42.23 | dvs | rue_house: xserver-xorg-video-all |
| 02:42.51 | Vasistha | rue_house: ...but you'll have to figure out which one you're actually using and make sure and mark that one for manual installation |
| 02:43.03 | rue_house | not isntalled.. hmm |
| 02:43.16 | rue_house | I download the one from NVidia and use that |
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| 02:43.21 | rue_house | cause it all that works |
| 02:43.34 | Vasistha | !nvidia |
| 02:43.36 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:43.46 | rue_house | its all that WORKS |
| 02:44.01 | rue_house | Module Size Used by |
| 02:44.03 | rue_house | nvidia 9170083 34 |
| 02:44.18 | Vasistha | yes, and it's not supported in #debian ... but of course that wasn't your question :) however I'm not sure how xorg connects to it |
| 02:44.33 | rue_house | hmm |
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| 02:46.50 | iwkse | hi, anyone know the reason *.la files aren't available in libglib2.0-dev (2.30.2-4) ? |
| 02:47.02 | Vasistha | rue_house: I dunno, maybe you can just remove all of the xserver-xorg-video packages? I'm not sure how things work if you're using the binary driver |
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| 02:49.30 | rue_house | accep the video-dbdev ... I suspect I need that? |
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| 02:50.28 | rue_house | is xserver-common a virtual package? |
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| 02:54.35 | rue_house | --only-upgrade is being ignored |
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| 02:56.17 | rue_house | when I ask to isntall xserver-xorg-input-kbd why is it including everything it us |
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| 03:02.30 | slugzzz | Hey... so I want to uninstall gcc-4.4 and just leave gcc-4.3, but whenever I sudo apt-get remove gcc-4.4, it takes gcc with it... |
| 03:02.32 | slugzzz | What to do? |
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| 03:07.14 | rue_house | wait |
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| 03:09.16 | Vasistha | slugzzz: fire up aptitude's interface and take a look |
| 03:10.07 | slugzzz | Vasistha, I've done that... It seems that as long as GCC is installed I cannot remove gcc-4.4, even if I have gcc-4.3 installed. |
| 03:10.25 | slugzzz | The only way to get rid of GCC-4.4 is to remove GCC, which is a problem.... |
| 03:10.29 | slugzzz | of course... |
| 03:10.53 | slugzzz | What I am really trying to do is to install the drivers for my Nvidia graphics card. |
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| 03:11.19 | slugzzz | But the driver was compiled with 4.3 and can't work with 4.4 |
| 03:11.21 | slugzzz | :-( |
| 03:11.34 | Vasistha | slugzzz: did you get it from nvidia.com? |
| 03:12.03 | slugzzz | Yes |
| 03:12.09 | Vasistha | !nvidia |
| 03:12.11 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:12.21 | Vasistha | slugzzz: in other words, /join #nvidia |
| 03:13.23 | slugzzz | Right.... well, the problem is deeper than my graphics card, any sort of program compiled with gcc-4.3 does not work. |
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| 04:10.55 | rawburt | I was using Ubuntu at some point and there was an option to encrypt user home directories. I was surprised to find that it would appear the /home partition itself is not encrypted just the folders in them. can someone shed some light on the way this is done? |
| 04:11.02 | rawburt | I'd like to apply the same setup to my Debian systems. |
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| 04:35.57 | Vasistha | rawburt: well I am guessing here, but maybe it is creating a filesystem-in-a-file. That means, create a file on the hard drive which, when assigned a /dev/loop device, can appear to the kernel like it is a formatted hard drive partition. The file itself can be encrypted. |
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| 04:37.23 | FIReun | Q: is there an apt command that determines by reverse dependancies what applications rely on a specified package? |
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| 04:37.43 | Vasistha | rawburt: I've done such an operation, although not for /home/whatever ... but I could probably find some simple instructions for you if you would like |
| 04:38.14 | Vasistha | FIReun: I believe there is a package called apt-rdepends for just that purpose |
| 04:39.28 | FIReun | exemplary! |
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| 04:53.25 | Virtualmix | Hello all. Is it possible to install 2 different versions of the same software? I would like to install arduino/testing and arduino/stable |
| 04:54.30 | Vasistha | Virtualmix: well it is not very easy, you might be able to do it in a chroot sandbox |
| 04:55.21 | Vasistha | Virtualmix: it would also not be very difficult to uninstall one and reinstall the other frequently, as aptitude makes that a cinch. |
| 04:56.12 | Virtualmix | Vasistha: Thank you for your reply. I think I will just give up for now :-s |
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| 04:57.22 | Vasistha | Virtualmix: yeah. software packages for linux scatter their files all over the filesystem, so it's not like you can just put them all in another directory somewhere. It doesn't work like that at all. |
| 04:58.58 | Virtualmix | Vasistha: Yep but in that particular case, it would be great to have both version available in the repo since Arduino 1.0 breaks all retro compatibility with the previous version (0.18) |
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| 05:00.10 | Virtualmix | Vasistha: with the version available in testing (1.0) I can no longer compile the code I wrote with the previous version (0.18) |
| 05:00.12 | Vasistha | Virtualmix: ah, wow. hmm. it would make packaging very difficult, and as is, one is in testing and one is in stable, so the idea is that people won't have more than one installed |
| 05:01.02 | Vasistha | Virtualmix: ahha, so that's the trouble. yeah I think you're gonna have to go back and forth, uninstalling/uninstalling. a chroot environment might not be a bad idea, actually |
| 05:01.14 | Virtualmix | Vasistha: Yep, I think I will just install/remove a version when I need it. |
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| 05:02.20 | Virtualmix | Vasistha: thank you for your explanation/suggestions :) |
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| 05:21.07 | Vasistha | Virtualmix: hey you might check out stow |
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| 05:51.55 | Virtualmix | I will, thx |
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| 05:57.13 | iluminator101 | why does apt have lookup translations even though I have only english as my language? |
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| 06:08.55 | JaredKz | This has had me stuck for a few hours now, is it possible to run virtual machines in VNC without the vboxheadless command? I tried to do it through vboxmanage startvm --headless and just modifyvm to turn VRDE on and set an IP and port, but I can't connect... ideas? |
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| 06:11.05 | rypervenche | I'm installing Debian Stable on a system that needed a non-free package for wifi. I did not set up the DCHP thing. I installed the proper .deb package, and I do not see the network manager in my gnome panel. Do I need to configure my DHCP or something like that? I restarted the computer after installing the firmware. |
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| 06:19.38 | miadbahrami | how to use to hdd in 1 home |
| 06:19.39 | miadbahrami | ? |
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| 06:20.12 | EricRaymond | not sure what that means |
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| 06:20.54 | rypervenche | Any ideas on how I can get my wifi working on this system? |
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| 06:25.13 | Vasistha | !tell rypervenche about wireless |
| 06:25.39 | Vasistha | miadbahrami: I don't understand your question |
| 06:26.24 | miadbahrami | Vasistha, my os is ubuntu 11.10 and not install & active my nvidia Graphic card |
| 06:26.25 | EricRaymond | maybe he means use two hard drives in one directory, his home directory |
| 06:26.42 | miadbahrami | Vasistha, can i help me to active and install it |
| 06:26.57 | Vasistha | iluminator101: apt is set up to work the same way for everybody, that means it always uses the lookup translations. If it didn't do that then it would have a special way it works for one language. it's simpler for all setups to behave the same way |
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| 06:27.58 | Vasistha | JaredKz: maybe you should ask #vbox or #vnc ? |
| 06:28.20 | Vasistha | miadbahrami: ask #ubuntu |
| 06:28.24 | JaredKz | oh wow didn't know those channels existed, thanks Vasistha |
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| 06:28.34 | miadbahrami | Vasistha, my server have 2 hdd and i used one of |
| 06:28.47 | Vasistha | JaredKz: I'm not 100% sure those are the right ones but there are channels for both those topics |
| 06:28.55 | miadbahrami | Vasistha, can i help me to use 2 hdd |
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| 06:29.38 | Vasistha | miadbahrami: they really ought to be able to help you with that in #ubuntu |
| 06:29.57 | Vasistha | although I am temped because mounting drives is usually pretty distro-independent |
| 06:30.48 | Vasistha | miadbahrami: read up on 'mount' and '/etc/fstab' and also maybe you'll want 'cfdisk' and 'mkfs' and possibly 'mkfs.ext4' or whatever |
| 06:30.57 | miadbahrami | Vasistha, my server os is debian squeeze |
| 06:31.30 | Vasistha | miadbahrami: so... what is the present configuration? |
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| 06:32.53 | miadbahrami | Vasistha, thanks a lot |
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| 06:34.42 | Vasistha | miadbahrami: did you just buy a second hard drive and you would like to start using it? |
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| 06:38.22 | miadbahrami | Vasistha, wait plz |
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| 06:41.32 | lfs | html5 videos look to have excellent quality |
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| 06:41.39 | lfs | So how come so few of them? |
| 06:42.21 | lstarnes | most sites still rely on flash, and there are things that can be easily done with flash that javascript and html can't do as effectively |
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| 06:42.57 | lstarnes | s/most/many/ |
| 06:43.26 | lfs | I am getting really good quality using Debian Squeeze with all open source. |
| 06:43.45 | lfs | Just not much selection. |
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| 06:46.26 | rypervenche | Is it possible to install multiple .deb files at once using dpkg? |
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| 06:49.56 | JaredKz | hey I have 2 commands in my .bashrc, would I be able to run them silently and maybe add a command to "continue"? |
| 06:50.46 | award85 | reload config |
| 06:51.09 | setre | JaredKz: sure, just pipe the output to dev null like so. "myprogram > /dev/null" |
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| 06:53.15 | setre | JaredKz: then 'read -p "Press any key to continue' |
| 06:54.36 | jmn_ | could anyone recommend a good feedreader that supports offline mode? |
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| 06:56.29 | Vasistha | rypervenche: I believe so, just put them all on the command, dpkg -i a.deb b.deb c.deb |
| 06:57.19 | Vasistha | jmn_: I use akregator ... I am not 100% certain of its offline capability but I believe it is good |
| 06:58.25 | rypervenche | Ok, that worked. Thank you. |
| 06:58.34 | Vasistha | lfs: if you go to youtube.com/html5 you can join the youtube html5 trial, which is excellent |
| 06:59.26 | Vasistha | lfs: unfortunately, many sites still embed youtube videos via flash. for those... gnash basically does not work at all, but it works well enough to bring up a rightclick menu where I can look at the video properties and extract the url |
| 06:59.57 | lfs | I am using totem |
| 07:00.31 | lfs | I purged gnash. Should I have both running? |
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| 07:01.37 | jmn_ | Vasistha: thanks! |
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| 07:02.52 | Vasistha | lfs: I'm not sure. Does totem imitate adobe flash? |
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| 07:03.08 | Vasistha | lfs: gnash does ... horribly. But it is just ever so slightly useful. |
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| 07:06.06 | lfs | I think totem plays the html5 videos |
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| 07:16.18 | unreal-dude | whats a good editor that supports ftp upon saving? |
| 07:18.46 | AkhIL | unreal-dude, curlftpfs + vim |
| 07:21.06 | unreal-dude | vim asin the commandline editor? |
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| 07:37.43 | JaredKz | any idea how to "continue" the script |
| 07:37.43 | JaredKz | ? |
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| 08:30.07 | valdyn | JaredKz: > /dev/null does not somehow block script progression of your script |
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| 08:35.15 | JaredKz | valdyn, I figured as much, for the moment I've just let them both progress in their own console, if I need to do anything I'll just go to virtual console 2 |
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| 09:14.09 | john3voltas | greetings |
| 09:14.25 | s70rm | greetings |
| 09:15.00 | john3voltas | i'm running debian squeeze and having trouble writing some special characters on my keyboard |
| 09:15.36 | john3voltas | those are the characters that come up when i press AltGr+2, AltGr+3, etc |
| 09:15.52 | john3voltas | can i be missing codepages or something? |
| 09:15.56 | Vasistha | john3voltas: what do you want it to do? |
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| 09:16.11 | Vasistha | (I don't have an altgr key on my keyboard... we in the |
| 09:16.20 | Vasistha | US are blissfully ignorant of internationalization) |
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| 09:16.33 | john3voltas | Vasistha: well, usually AltGr+2 should show the "at" sign used in emails |
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| 09:16.54 | Vasistha | john3voltas: hmm, have you tried SHIFT? |
| 09:17.01 | john3voltas | yep |
| 09:17.13 | Vasistha | alright, had to ask :) |
| 09:17.15 | john3voltas | shift+2 shows aspa " |
| 09:17.18 | simonlnu | setxkbmap; also can be configured in xorg.conf |
| 09:17.29 | simonlnu | (same syntax) |
| 09:17.52 | Vasistha | I know e.g. KDE also has a tool for changing it, and gnome probably does as well |
| 09:17.57 | john3voltas | setxkbmap? will try. just a sec |
| 09:18.14 | simonlnu | kde's is nicer. gnome2's is ok too. gnome3 i have no idea |
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| 09:18.49 | john3voltas | well, i started from debian-live standard, installed X and installed jwm |
| 09:19.10 | simonlnu | they all use ^^ or lib calls to xkb so it's all the same |
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| 09:20.38 | xingu | john3voltas: if you use "xev" to spy on the event stream, do you get "twosuperior" keysym for the altgr-2 combo? |
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| 09:21.13 | xingu | john3voltas: ... reason I ask is to eliminate keyboard layout/ mapping issues. |
| 09:21.18 | john3voltas | did a setxkbmap -print |
| 09:21.22 | john3voltas | http://pastie.org/3035051 |
| 09:22.01 | john3voltas | xingu: don't know xev. will install and try. just a sec. |
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| 09:24.34 | john3voltas | xingu: wow. can't figure out the readings from xev... |
| 09:27.54 | xingu | you should get keypress/keyrelease events |
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| 09:28.04 | xingu | in the 3rd line (state ...) it'll show the keysym. |
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| 09:28.31 | john3voltas | ah |
| 09:28.37 | john3voltas | just a sec then |
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| 09:31.42 | john3voltas | xingu: then it's official: xev doesn't catch any keypress/keyreleases when i use AltGr+2 |
| 09:32.12 | john3voltas | it does for Ctrl+c |
| 09:32.19 | xingu | john3voltas: ok my suspicion is that /etc/default/keyboard is set to a US keyboard variant for you |
| 09:32.26 | xingu | john3voltas: try dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
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| 09:33.07 | xingu | john3voltas: for my (GB) layout I have xkboptions=lv3:ralt_switch which is the hook to bring everything else in. |
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| 09:33.57 | xingu | john3voltas: (I also have XKBLAYOUT="gb") |
| 09:34.18 | john3voltas | xingu: i just chose portuguese with dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
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| 09:35.36 | john3voltas | and still no keypress/keyrelease |
| 09:36.03 | xingu | john3voltas: my guess is that it's the ralt_switch modifier to enable this for you; checking the xkb bindings. |
| 09:36.47 | john3voltas | xingu: can you tell me how to change it? |
| 09:37.11 | john3voltas | ralt? does that stand for right alt? |
| 09:37.28 | xingu | yep |
| 09:37.32 | john3voltas | ah |
| 09:37.41 | xingu | do you have right alt as well as alt-gr? |
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| 09:37.48 | john3voltas | nope |
| 09:37.55 | john3voltas | jsut altgr |
| 09:38.10 | john3voltas | *just |
| 09:38.23 | xingu | john3voltas: ok let's be a bit naughty and hand hack /etc/default/keyboard's XKBOPTIONS to |
| 09:38.36 | xingu | john3voltas: XKBOPTIONS="lv3:ralt_switch" |
| 09:39.32 | xingu | john3voltas: I'm not 100% sure about how the dependancy chain works for that; rebooting might be simplest afterward. |
| 09:40.27 | john3voltas | wouldn't restarting X do the same? |
| 09:40.37 | xingu | john3voltas: not necessarily; hal runs outside x11 for one. |
| 09:40.43 | john3voltas | ah |
| 09:40.50 | john3voltas | then i've gotta reboot |
| 09:40.55 | john3voltas | be right back |
| 09:40.58 | john3voltas | thx |
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| 09:51.25 | simonlnu | john3voltas: you can't talk as root in here |
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| 09:52.04 | simonlnu | just so you know why you can't say anything in the channel.. ah well |
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| 09:53.26 | meta-coder | finally installed Debian 6.0.3. Yeah!! |
| 09:53.32 | simonlnu | \o/ |
| 09:53.56 | Vasistha | yay |
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| 09:54.29 | simonlnu | oops, heh |
| 09:54.38 | simonlnu | john3voltas: just so you know why you can't say anything in the channel |
| 09:54.58 | Vasistha | john3voltas: well, like simonlnu said before -- you can't talk in #debian because you are logged into your computer as root |
| 09:55.16 | simonlnu | ...and ircing from the account |
| 09:55.25 | Vasistha | simonlnu: you need to /quit, and log in as your normal user, and then start irc again |
| 09:55.42 | simonlnu | *blink* ETAB |
| 09:55.54 | Vasistha | !wtf etab |
| 09:55.56 | dpkg_ | Gee... I don't know what etab means... |
| 09:56.09 | simonlnu | error in tab completion |
| 09:56.19 | Vasistha | oh |
| 09:56.35 | Vasistha | meta-coder: what were you using before? |
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| 09:57.28 | meta-coder | Vasistha, Ubuntu.. |
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| 09:58.20 | john3voltas | still can't type? |
| 09:58.24 | simonlnu | hi |
| 09:58.28 | john3voltas | hi :) |
| 09:58.30 | simonlnu | we see you now |
| 09:58.45 | john3voltas | weird stuff about being root |
| 09:58.51 | john3voltas | let me explain |
| 09:58.57 | simonlnu | su - youruser |
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| 09:59.07 | simonlnu | ok |
| 09:59.52 | john3voltas | when i 1st logged in with debian i was root and i could write in here |
| 10:00.06 | john3voltas | now, since my last reboot i can't boot debian |
| 10:00.24 | simonlnu | o_O |
| 10:00.35 | john3voltas | so i started up puppy linux as root and i couldn't type in here |
| 10:00.56 | wt0vremr | Ow Dear God |
| 10:01.06 | wt0vremr | How did you do that? |
| 10:01.08 | john3voltas | now, i'm still root in puppy, using freenode's webchat and i can type in here |
| 10:01.18 | meta-coder | john3voltas, what happened to your Debian? |
| 10:01.33 | john3voltas | meta-coder: don't know. just won't start ... |
| 10:01.36 | wt0vremr | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:01.38 | john3voltas | :( |
| 10:02.06 | wt0vremr | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:02.17 | john3voltas | nah, i didn't remove anything |
| 10:02.36 | simonlnu | grub, kernel, init, hardware? |
| 10:03.14 | john3voltas | wt0vremr: not start=starts booting and while still in cli (showing stuff starting) it just hangs in there before reaching X11 |
| 10:03.43 | john3voltas | i can still see fstab being started then it hangs |
| 10:03.49 | simonlnu | know where it hangs? |
| 10:03.50 | wt0vremr | Do you have an error on boot or something? |
| 10:03.51 | wt0vremr | Or you dont see GRUB? |
| 10:03.52 | simonlnu | ah |
| 10:04.08 | john3voltas | i'm on grub4dos and it is working fine |
| 10:04.28 | john3voltas | let me see if i can get to it's /var/log |
| 10:04.29 | simonlnu | is this debian squeeze? |
| 10:04.40 | john3voltas | simonlnu: yep, squeeze |
| 10:04.49 | wt0vremr | Yes, tell us where it hangs. What do you see in cli when it hangs? |
| 10:05.02 | wt0vremr | Some kind of error message or what? |
| 10:05.17 | xingu | john3voltas: if you can get its filesystems mounted, it'd be helpful to upload /etc/default/keyboard somewhere too; I'm a little concerned that the edit to that might be the cause of your hang on reboot. |
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| 10:05.42 | john3voltas | ok. just a sec |
| 10:06.16 | meta-coder | i was surprised to see gcc not installed by default even after installing from the DVD! |
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| 10:06.45 | ciortino | Hallo |
| 10:07.11 | simonlnu | meta-coder: debian's base install really is base ;) |
| 10:08.49 | john3voltas | ok, here's my log http://pastie.org/3035164 |
| 10:09.13 | john3voltas | this looks exactly like the last stuff i get on screen before it hangs while booting up |
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| 10:09.43 | chridi | is this serious: http://paste.debian.net/149525/ ? I use squeeze with its latest 2.6.32-5-amd64 kernel |
| 10:11.26 | chridi | just dont know if I should file a bug or so |
| 10:12.10 | john3voltas | xingu: my current keyboard - http://pastie.org/3035172 |
| 10:12.22 | jelly-home | chridi: how often does this happen |
| 10:12.26 | john3voltas | gotta check on a baby. brb |
| 10:12.28 | chridi | jelly-home: it's the first time |
| 10:12.54 | jelly-home | chridi: you have vbox helper modules loaded, and they're known for bad quality, so who knows what the actual problem might be |
| 10:13.23 | chridi | but I'll grep my messages |
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| 10:14.25 | xingu | john3voltas: well it looks fine from my point of view, but from the perspective of eliminating variables, reset XKBOPTIONS back to ="" again I guess |
| 10:15.02 | jelly-home | chridi: but in general, an Oops should NOT happen inside kswapd and that might indicate something serious. At the very least you'll need to reboot the machine to get things back to normal |
| 10:15.05 | meta-coder | What runs best on Debian: Chromium from stable, or from source, or Chrome from Google's repository? |
| 10:15.12 | simonlnu | innit lvl3:foo ? |
| 10:15.21 | chridi | jelly-home: okay.. thanks :) |
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| 10:15.34 | xingu | simonlnu: that was taken straight from a years-old gb105 setup |
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| 10:15.41 | simonlnu | ok nm |
| 10:15.50 | chridi | and it seems to be the first time this happens |
| 10:15.52 | xingu | simonlnu: the modifier is ralt_switch, underscore and all :) |
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| 10:16.40 | xingu | chridi: just to add to what jelly's already said, that oops looks like the swapper task freeing a block previously already freed by something above or below it in the filesystem stack. |
| 10:16.50 | simonlnu | i have an altgr on this keyboard (it's this bilingual thing), but i use it in us layout ;p. |
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| 10:17.08 | simonlnu | eek |
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| 10:18.12 | xingu | chridi: and on a scale of "it's a bsod, reboot, be happy" to "omfg instant karma for law abiding bits on disk"... I'd say you might want to think about some downtime and a fsck in the not too distant future. |
| 10:18.17 | simonlnu | xingu: pc+us+inet(evdev)+compose(menu)+terminate(ctrl_alt_bksp) # from setxkbmap -print |
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| 10:18.34 | simonlnu | asap i might add |
| 10:18.45 | chridi | xingu: okay... so like.. now ;) |
| 10:18.46 | xingu | simonlnu: pc+gb+inet(evdev)+level3(ralt_switch) for me |
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| 10:19.26 | simonlnu | likes his ^-alt-bksp |
| 10:19.54 | chridi | so.. thanks everybody.. i'll be back if it happens again ;) |
| 10:20.22 | john3voltas | sorry guys. had to check on my daughter |
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| 10:21.29 | simonlnu | it's ok, we don't mind |
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| 10:22.56 | john3voltas | i don't know if i get what you've been talking about my issue |
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| 10:23.11 | john3voltas | shall i just remove the lvl3 stuff? |
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| 10:26.50 | john3voltas | ok, will remove the lv3 stuff and reboot to see if i can boot into debian again |
| 10:26.53 | john3voltas | brb |
| 10:26.59 | simonlnu | gl |
| 10:27.05 | john3voltas | :) |
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| 10:29.37 | john3voltas | woot |
| 10:29.41 | john3voltas | it worked |
| 10:29.59 | john3voltas | removed lv3 and i can boot debian again |
| 10:30.13 | john3voltas | gotta go check on my daughter again |
| 10:30.15 | john3voltas | brb |
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| 10:31.12 | simonlnu | ah. damn. so gotta figure out that bug. |
| 10:31.37 | simonlnu | xingu: maybe they changed the format for that? |
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| 10:37.31 | xingu | john3voltas: is console-keymap installed? |
| 10:37.53 | xingu | john3voltas: err sorry console-data |
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| 10:38.01 | file-exists-p | hi people. any idea why everytime my dns in /etc/resolv.conf is the dsl modem, resolution is slow as hell ? (this with several types of modems) |
| 10:38.17 | file-exists-p | when I mean slow as hell, something like 5s-10s to resolv a single hostname |
| 10:38.50 | file-exists-p | if I hardcode in /etc/resolv.conf the dns the modem is using, then everything runs smoothly |
| 10:39.03 | xingu | john3voltas: aah, here we go, try dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
| 10:39.16 | simonlnu | was about to say that |
| 10:39.33 | valdyn | file-exists-p: you are saying that resolution speed depends on the way resolv.conf is written despite content being identical? |
| 10:39.36 | xingu | john3voltas: you're essentially looking for a way to tell that you have a pc105 keyboard, pt locale, and ralt_switch modifier |
| 10:39.57 | simonlnu | it'll ask him all that |
| 10:40.15 | xingu | *nod* |
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| 10:41.15 | john3voltas | xingu: console-data is installed |
| 10:41.17 | xingu | it is odd that it just hung though; I really do wonder what's missing, and if it's somehow related to the live-ness of the underlying base |
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| 10:41.46 | simonlnu | possibly a hanging script.. |
| 10:42.08 | xingu | or a missing keymap is the other thing I'm suspecting. |
| 10:42.32 | lorenzosu | Hi all. How can I create an iso with dd? I try with /dev/cdrom as source but I get an input/outout error |
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| 10:43.13 | valdyn | lorenzosu: dd is fine, i/o error means that the cdrom is not readable |
| 10:44.17 | john3voltas | xingu: i've done dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration in the past |
| 10:44.34 | lorenzosu | valdyn: mhh I see... but other programmes seem to reed it. I guess I'm using the wrong path or something. Trouble is the file manager doesn't use a real path but some sort of black magic to show the cd |
| 10:44.41 | john3voltas | ran it again though |
| 10:44.47 | john3voltas | do i have to restart? |
| 10:45.04 | xingu | john3voltas: this time just restart hald - /etc/init.d/hal restart |
| 10:45.07 | valdyn | lorenzosu: the file manager does not read the whole cdrom, only individual files |
| 10:45.32 | simonlnu | mm, yeh could be |
| 10:45.40 | john3voltas | wow, didn't know hal |
| 10:45.41 | xingu | john3voltas: the change we're angling for is eventually setxkbmap -print should have ... +level3(ralt_switch) in it |
| 10:45.50 | valdyn | lorenzosu: dmesg should show a more elaborate version if that i/o error btw |
| 10:46.22 | lorenzosu | valdyn: Ok... but do you know what the current default path for a cdrom to be accessed, say by dd, is in debian? |
| 10:46.26 | john3voltas | brb then |
| 10:46.33 | simonlnu | should be in the format of option:value ; -print shows it as option(value) |
| 10:46.34 | valdyn | lorenzosu: /dev/cdrom |
| 10:46.59 | john3voltas | is root and is typing in the channel using irssi :) |
| 10:47.01 | xingu | john3voltas: that's quite literally how the x11 keyboard driver knows whether right-alt is altgr (ISO_Level3_Shift) or just a right-alt modifier |
| 10:47.11 | john3voltas | i see |
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| 10:48.08 | lorenzosu | valdyn: ok thanks |
| 10:48.12 | john3voltas | just restarted hal |
| 10:48.22 | john3voltas | still can't use altgr+2 |
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| 10:49.17 | simonlnu | i thought it had nothing to do with hal, and the xserver read the keyboard-configuration configs on start (via a buncha scripts) |
| 10:49.39 | john3voltas | ok, better reboot |
| 10:49.40 | john3voltas | brb |
| 10:49.52 | simonlnu | but i'm working from wheezy/sid, not squeeze ;) |
| 10:49.55 | xingu | simonlnu: pretty sure the hooks for xorg -> hal are still in place. :) |
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| 10:50.19 | simonlnu | iirc in squeeze they are |
| 10:53.13 | xingu | simonlnu: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide |
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| 10:53.39 | john3voltas | still no go |
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| 10:54.39 | xingu | john3voltas: assuming setxkbmap -print still reports xkb_symbols as: include "pc+pt+inet(evdev)" |
| 10:54.50 | john3voltas | will check |
| 10:55.22 | john3voltas | wow |
| 10:55.27 | john3voltas | xkb_symbols { include "pc+pt+inet(evdev)+level3(ralt_switch)" }; |
| 10:55.36 | xingu | awesome. |
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| 10:56.11 | john3voltas | geometry says my keyboard is pc105 |
| 10:56.17 | john3voltas | as in 105 keys? |
| 10:56.26 | xingu | john3voltas: yep; that's a reasonably safe bet for an intl layout. |
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| 10:56.42 | xingu | john3voltas: ok see what xev says about your altgr modifier key now |
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| 10:56.48 | john3voltas | but my keyb is a laptop keyb. gotta have 85- |
| 10:56.59 | john3voltas | 85~95 keys top |
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| 10:57.25 | xingu | john3voltas: shouldn't matter; I bet you have a fn-key combo for numlock; and that it'll work as expected. |
| 10:57.44 | xingu | john3voltas: does altgr press/release generate ISO_Level3_Shift scancode per xev ? |
| 10:57.45 | john3voltas | yep, fn-key |
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| 10:59.28 | GNU\colossus | do I just gunzip and dd the "hd-media: boot-i386-0808.img.gz (USB image)" from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ onto my USB thumb drive and boot off of that? |
| 10:59.31 | john3voltas | just a sec |
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| 11:00.34 | john3voltas | putting baby to sleep.. |
| 11:00.49 | xingu | take your time; family first. :) |
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| 11:03.58 | john3voltas | xingu: nope |
| 11:04.18 | xingu | ok now that is interesting. |
| 11:04.23 | john3voltas | still no keypress/keyrelease on pressing altgr |
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| 11:05.00 | xingu | john3voltas: while I'm poking into the pt keymap... take a look to see if any of the other modifier keys now generate that event |
| 11:05.03 | john3voltas | not even when using altgr+2 |
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| 11:05.18 | xingu | john3voltas: it may be as simple as swapped ctrl/altgr on the rhs of your keyboard |
| 11:05.24 | xingu | (rhs: right hand side) |
| 11:05.33 | john3voltas | lol rhs |
| 11:05.44 | john3voltas | would have never guessed :p |
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| 11:07.20 | john3voltas | xingu: nothing. zip |
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| 11:08.08 | xingu | john3voltas: oh interesting; pt has ralt_switch_multikey, which I'm pretty sure will work as a compose char; is that the behaviour you actually want? |
| 11:08.23 | xingu | john3voltas: ie altgr ' e for accented e? |
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| 11:09.41 | john3voltas | not really. altgr+e should produce an euro sign |
| 11:09.47 | john3voltas | currency |
| 11:09.55 | ompaul | john3voltas: please pastebin the result of locale |
| 11:09.58 | xingu | john3voltas: *nod* (in gb that one is altgr-4) |
| 11:10.05 | john3voltas | ompaul: just a sec |
| 11:10.19 | ompaul | € should also be avaialable from altgr+4 |
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| 11:10.52 | john3voltas | ompaul: http://pastie.org/3035334 |
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| 11:11.22 | ompaul | and there you have it, you're locale is set to posix |
| 11:11.36 | xingu | ompaul: does that affect key bindings as well? |
| 11:11.44 | ompaul | sadly yes |
| 11:11.47 | xingu | wow |
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| 11:12.04 | xingu | ompaul: would appreciate if you can walk him through the correct reconfigure for locale; I don't know it. |
| 11:12.05 | ompaul | afik the altgr stuff should work to a small extent |
| 11:12.15 | ompaul | but not as expected |
| 11:12.20 | john3voltas | why? |
| 11:12.27 | xingu | ompaul: his altgr key is not generating a press/release keysym atm just fyi. |
| 11:12.37 | ompaul | hmm |
| 11:13.04 | ompaul | hang on my brain is not awake yet - wanted a program that displays in X the keystroke small square if you mouse over it |
| 11:13.37 | ompaul | john3voltas: on the command line please type xev |
| 11:13.42 | ompaul | it will create a small square |
| 11:14.07 | ompaul | mouse over the square, and type AltGr do you get a press and release notice? |
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| 11:15.09 | ompaul | john3voltas: if you do your keyboard is working, if you don't it is not |
| 11:15.13 | john3voltas | on xev? |
| 11:15.16 | ompaul | yes |
| 11:15.20 | ompaul | you type xev |
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| 11:15.26 | john3voltas | just a sec |
| 11:15.27 | ompaul | it creates a small screen area |
| 11:15.45 | ompaul | in the terminal behind it it reports key strokes etc |
| 11:16.05 | jelly-home | ompaul: we call each of those areas a "window" |
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| 11:16.25 | ompaul | jelly-home: if I was awake I might call it a window too :P |
| 11:16.31 | john3voltas | lol |
| 11:16.34 | john3voltas | ok |
| 11:16.49 | ompaul | needs coffee or tea or something |
| 11:17.00 | john3voltas | all i get is a focusin, focusout |
| 11:17.20 | john3voltas | oh, and a keymapnotify |
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| 11:18.22 | xingu | john3voltas: google turns up some .pt locale users as using a pc104 rather than 105 variant; I wonder... |
| 11:19.26 | john3voltas | xingu: 104 is more widespread here than 105 |
| 11:19.39 | john3voltas | but then came the multimedia keyboards... |
| 11:19.54 | ompaul | http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 11:19.58 | ompaul | john3voltas: ^^ |
| 11:20.03 | john3voltas | seen that ompaul |
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| 11:20.26 | xingu | john3voltas: I wonder if there's a difference in what scancode the alt-gr key generates between the two variants; but yes, please get the locale flipped to pt_PT (probably @euro ?) too or whatever your preference is |
| 11:20.33 | xingu | john3voltas: POSIX is definitely wrong. :) |
| 11:20.40 | xingu | (in context) |
| 11:20.49 | xingu | (although in general it's often suspect ;) ) |
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| 11:21.35 | john3voltas | i had already seen this http://code.google.com/p/winelocale/wiki/AddLocalesToDebian |
| 11:21.55 | john3voltas | thanks guys |
| 11:21.56 | ompaul | that;s for wine |
| 11:21.57 | ompaul | not debian |
| 11:22.02 | john3voltas | ompaul: ok |
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| 11:22.07 | john3voltas | alright |
| 11:22.18 | ompaul | you want the subsystem to know what it is doing |
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| 11:22.32 | john3voltas | gotta reboot into windowze due to work :S |
| 11:22.51 | john3voltas | be back later |
| 11:22.57 | jelly-home | john3voltas: in addition, /var/lib/locales/supported.d/ is ubuntu-specific and doesn't exist in Debian at all |
| 11:23.00 | john3voltas | thanks everybody |
| 11:23.17 | jelly-home | (that page is competely wrong) |
| 11:23.20 | ompaul | john3voltas: if it's in a vm and not of value reinstall with right stuff |
| 11:23.20 | john3voltas | jelly-home: lol, just as i suspected |
| 11:23.39 | john3voltas | ompaul: nope, it's a normal install |
| 11:23.45 | john3voltas | bbl |
| 11:23.49 | john3voltas | cheers |
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| 11:25.23 | xingu | aah, I bet I know what this is, I bet his console keymap is still pc105 default (ie US 105) |
| 11:25.30 | xingu | or even something else. |
| 11:25.33 | xingu | still, he's gone. :) |
| 11:25.50 | ompaul | http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 11:25.56 | ompaul | woops |
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| 11:26.27 | ompaul | update-locale and set LANG=pt_PT.utf8 |
| 11:26.30 | xingu | ie if the console driver is not generating the input events for altgr -> ralt then xorg's evdev driver is dead in the water |
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| 11:31.11 | ompaul | xingu: this is down to SET YOUR LOCALE CORRECTLY not being written in huge letters on the install screen |
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| 11:31.51 | ompaul | it might be better if there was a tool that said "Please type the country you are in" |
| 11:32.09 | ompaul | and it translated that into locale but that has problems too |
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| 11:32.43 | jelly-home | ompaul: I'm in Canada! |
| 11:32.58 | jelly-home | ompaul: your script didn't even guess the language right! |
| 11:33.09 | ompaul | jelly-home: exactly |
| 11:33.28 | jelly-home | c'est incroyable |
| 11:33.39 | ompaul | lang=en_FR ;-) |
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| 11:34.03 | ompaul | I have en_IE so mine is a lovely case |
| 11:34.17 | ar | en_FR? |
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| 11:34.26 | ompaul | </joke> |
| 11:35.06 | ompaul | jelly-home: actually you're case is worthy of a bug |
| 11:35.27 | ompaul | it should be able to ask the keyboard what it is using |
| 11:35.31 | ompaul | and start from there |
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| 11:41.06 | blackshirt | What is driver for realtek rtl8178 wifi ? |
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| 11:44.11 | babilen | !tell blackshirt -about rtl8192ce |
| 11:44.17 | ompaul | blackshirt: is that 8178 or 8187 |
| 11:44.52 | babilen | blackshirt: What does "lspci -nn|grep -i network" give you? |
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| 11:45.48 | blackshirt | Ompaul. 8187 |
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| 11:46.52 | ompaul | blackshirt: your dream answer :-) http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x |
| 11:47.06 | ompaul | read in full before acting |
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| 11:47.57 | blackshirt | Babilen realtek semiconductor 8187 wireless bla bla |
| 11:48.18 | blackshirt | Ompaul,thanks guys,go to links |
| 11:48.33 | babilen | blackshirt: That leaves out the most important part of the information :) (the pciid (i.e. the alphanumerical identifier at the end)) |
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| 11:51.49 | diegoviola | hi |
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| 11:52.09 | diegoviola | is there a reason why there is "ping" and "ping6", couldn't we have a ping that works for both ipv4/ipv6? |
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| 11:54.21 | valdyn | diegoviola: like "ping -6" ? |
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| 11:55.27 | diegoviola | valdyn: that's the ping syntax for windows no? |
| 11:55.34 | valdyn | diegoviola: i dont know |
| 11:55.40 | diegoviola | but yes, something like that |
| 11:55.54 | valdyn | diegoviola: ping6 is less typing |
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| 11:56.19 | diegoviola | sure but a separate program just for different network? |
| 11:56.36 | valdyn | diegoviola: who cares.. |
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| 11:58.10 | diegoviola | shrugs |
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| 11:59.35 | CruX| | hello, how can I upgrade debian to unstable ? |
| 11:59.47 | CruX| | what should i put into sources.list ? |
| 11:59.55 | valdyn | !sid |
| 11:59.56 | dpkg_ | The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 12:00.01 | valdyn | !sid faq |
| 12:00.02 | dpkg_ | http://deb.li/sidfaq ; it doesn't hurt to read the FAQ, even if you are using <testing>. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/08/msg00041.html and <sid upgrade test>. |
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| 12:10.03 | blackshirt | What is mean search domain on resolv.conf |
| 12:10.03 | blackshirt | ? |
| 12:11.22 | diegoviola | valdyn: oh i found the answer: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/why-separate-ping-and-ping6-907813/ |
| 12:11.26 | diegoviola | valdyn: nvm, ty |
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| 12:11.52 | lstarnes | blackshirt: if there is no . in the name being queried, then the resolved assumes that the name being queried is part of that domain. for example, if you have "domain example.net" and you try to lookup foo, it will resolve it as whatever foo.example.net resolves to |
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| 12:12.02 | lstarnes | or at least that's what I think |
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| 12:13.04 | blackshirt | Thanks |
| 12:13.22 | lstarnes | maybe I am confusing search and domain |
| 12:13.25 | lstarnes | check man resolv.conf |
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| 12:15.59 | VladimirZ | did anyone install Nexus (Sonatype) on debian ? |
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| 12:20.27 | babilen | VladimirZ: Looks like proprietary MS Windows/OSX software -- What gives you the impression that it runs on Debian or that we can/would support it? (wine maybe? ask in #winehq, check wine application database, ...) |
| 12:22.02 | VladimirZ | babilen: Nexus is supported on Linux |
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| 12:22.31 | VladimirZ | I don't know where you got information that it is MS/OSX software |
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| 12:23.48 | babilen | VladimirZ: Ah, I missed the "32/64-bit RedHat Enterprise Linux v4-6" on http://www.sonatype.com/Products/Sonatype-Pro-for-Nexus/At-A-Glance -- Anyway, we don't package it and I haven't personally used it. Do you run into specific problems when you run it? |
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| 12:25.19 | pksadiq | SSigSeg: here its 17:54 UTC+5:30 |
| 12:25.58 | babilen | Yes, we are all in different timezones. |
| 12:26.04 | SSigSeg | pksadiq: half way around the globe from me |
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| 12:50.40 | john3voltas | xingu: i've added my locales using dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 12:50.58 | nanashi_003 | 有人咩？ |
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| 12:51.15 | john3voltas | locale -a now shows portiguese, pt_PT euro, etc |
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| 12:51.29 | john3voltas | but i still can't use altgr |
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| 12:53.02 | john3voltas | on a sidenote, i must say that using for instance leafpad i could type several special portuguese characters. the ones that don't need altgr |
| 12:53.09 | john3voltas | like the cedilla ç |
| 12:53.45 | john3voltas | but when i tried doing the same in xterm, strange stuff would show up on the window |
| 12:53.45 | engla | I don't think the locale is the issue, but the keyboard layout |
| 12:53.59 | john3voltas | layout? |
| 12:54.05 | john3voltas | like, amount of keys? |
| 12:54.29 | engla | keymap or what it's called |
| 12:55.06 | engla | I don't know the generic way to configure it, but xfce and gnome lets you config keyboard layout |
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| 12:55.36 | engla | the layout determines which keys produce which characters |
| 12:56.07 | john3voltas | i see. here's mine http://pastie.org/3035651 |
| 12:56.26 | john3voltas | i can't tell if there's something wrong with it |
| 12:56.57 | engla | looks similar to mine probably ok |
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| 12:57.33 | john3voltas | using xev and pressing altgr shows no keypress/keyrelease though |
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| 13:00.50 | Jemt | Hi. How can I force gEdit to only write data as ISO-8859-1 ? |
| 13:01.23 | Jemt | It uses UTF-8 by default, which breaks functionality in one of our IT systems |
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| 13:07.46 | valdyn | Jemt: I think it follows your locale by default |
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| 13:08.29 | Jemt | valdyn: I see. Is it possible to change that ? |
| 13:08.35 | Jemt | Or is that a bad idea ? |
| 13:08.36 | valdyn | !locale |
| 13:08.37 | dpkg | A locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale http://mywiki.wooledge.org/locale |
| 13:08.39 | engla | there is a gconf setting for encoding selection |
| 13:08.40 | Jemt | Thanks |
| 13:08.50 | valdyn | Jemt: yea, utf-8 should be the only sane choice on a modern system |
| 13:08.59 | Jemt | engla, Selection, yes - not default encoding |
| 13:09.14 | engla | Jemt: so what if you limit the list to just the encoding you want? |
| 13:09.17 | valdyn | Jemt: but you can set it just for gedit or you can get along with a system default that is not utf8 |
| 13:09.39 | Jemt | valdyn, How can I set it for gEdit alone ? |
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| 13:09.47 | engla | forcing latin-1 sounds terribly limiting |
| 13:09.52 | Jemt | engla, Not possible, UTF-8 is added automatically |
| 13:09.57 | valdyn | Jemt: start it like "LC_ALL=en_EN gedit" |
| 13:10.00 | engla | Jemt: ok, I was wondering |
| 13:10.02 | Jemt | engla: That's what I need |
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| 13:10.17 | Jemt | valdyn: Perfect, I'll give it a try. Thanks :) |
| 13:10.23 | engla | you need to make sure you've generated the relevant locales |
| 13:10.26 | valdyn | Jemt: read what dpkg said though, every locale you want to use needs to be generated |
| 13:10.42 | Jemt | engla: The IT system receiving the data breaks on UTF-8 - and I frequently forget to change the encoding on new files |
| 13:10.59 | Jemt | valdyn: Okay |
| 13:11.15 | engla | Jemt: somehow non-ascii must enter into those files, how does that happen? |
| 13:11.34 | engla | it's not certain it can be represented in latin-1 |
| 13:11.43 | Jemt | It can |
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| 13:12.13 | Jemt | Hopefully gEdit will save such characters as ? or similar |
| 13:12.18 | Jemt | We'll see |
| 13:12.22 | engla | it won't |
| 13:12.40 | valdyn | maybe gedit is just wrong for this job |
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| 13:12.59 | valdyn | i'd rather do some post-processing to assure correct encoding |
| 13:13.38 | Jemt | valdyn: I haven't come across a tool that can reliably detect text file encoding |
| 13:13.42 | valdyn | or pre-processing if you want to couple it to whatever action you take to put your text file in production |
| 13:14.15 | Jemt | e.g. a command line tool such as 'file' |
| 13:14.42 | engla | FWIW, if I try a latin-1 locale here, gedit still prefers utf-8 |
| 13:15.18 | engla | (I use a latin-1 locale to test that my program works with non-utf-8 locales) |
| 13:15.35 | Jemt | Bugger |
| 13:15.36 | engla | Jemt: you don't seem to understand encodings |
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| 13:15.58 | Jemt | I simply don't want gEdit to allow e.g. € to be saved into a ISO-8859-1 file |
| 13:15.59 | technologov_ | hi all ! Are Web-API 'Cloud' packages considered Free Software ? |
| 13:16.02 | engla | it's impossible to reliably detect in particular 8-bit legacy encodings like latin-1 |
| 13:16.07 | technologov_ | We have a battle over this in debian-legal ML, but without result |
| 13:16.19 | technologov_ | details: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2011/12/msg00002.html |
| 13:16.59 | engla | non-free or not, websites change their apis too often |
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| 13:17.11 | Jemt | engla: Developer environments such as Netbeans or Zend Studio will prevent a file from being saved, if non-ISO-8859-1 characters are used. That's what I'm looking for. Or that UTF-8 characters are simply removed or replaced |
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| 13:17.34 | engla | Jemt: gedit also refuses to save if it can't be represented in the chosen encoding |
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| 13:17.53 | engla | ask gedit authors? look for a gedit plugin? |
| 13:18.33 | Devastator | how can i use make menuconfig as user? |
| 13:18.34 | Jemt | Tried both. Still trying #gnome once in a while |
| 13:18.46 | engla | gnome devs are on gimpnet |
| 13:18.48 | valdyn | Devastator: why cant you use it as a user? |
| 13:18.51 | engla | ok |
| 13:18.55 | Jemt | Excellent, I'll try that. Thanks |
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| 13:19.08 | Devastator | valdyn touch is giving permission denied |
| 13:19.15 | engla | go to gnome-hackers or so on gimpnet |
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| 13:20.34 | valdyn | Devastator: menuconfig or make have nothing to do with your mistake to use a kernel tree that was extract by root or has for some reason not your needed permissions |
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| 13:21.17 | mah454 | How can check disk lvm partitioins ? fsck not work for this ! |
| 13:21.28 | valdyn | mah454: fsck works for this. |
| 13:21.39 | lstarnes | fsck checks filesystems, not partitions |
| 13:22.00 | valdyn | mah454: you need to get your terminology right. We cant guess what you mean. |
| 13:23.32 | mah454 | valdyn, ok . for example check file system for bad blocks ! |
| 13:23.34 | Starman83 | hey guys, ever since I've updated to Kernel 3.x I've got poor Samba performance. Anyone else experiencing this problem? If I boot into an older 2.6 kernel, the problem goes away |
| 13:23.56 | valdyn | mah454: file systems dont have bad blocks, disks do, block devices do |
| 13:24.19 | valdyn | mah454: fsck does not really check for bad blocks though |
| 13:24.43 | mjt | use smartctl for badblock checking |
| 13:24.55 | valdyn | mah454: if you want to check for bad blocks, use "badblocks" |
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| 13:25.07 | valdyn | mjt: bad idea |
| 13:25.18 | mjt | not really that bad |
| 13:25.39 | valdyn | mjt: smart only knows about known bad blocks, it does not check for bad blocks |
| 13:25.52 | mjt | it performs surface tests |
| 13:26.04 | mjt | and usually stops at first error |
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| 13:26.20 | mjt | i mean smartctl -t long |
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| 13:27.31 | mjt | but unless you've some sort of raid, finding bad blocks isn't usually of some help: even if you find one it's difficult to map it into a file, and almost impossible to recover the data this place had. |
| 13:27.40 | mjt | (raid does the recovery automatically) |
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| 13:28.28 | mjt | !java |
| 13:28.28 | dpkg | Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian; for Squeeze and Lenny systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 13:29.04 | mjt | is sun^Woracle java still supported in squeeze? |
| 13:29.16 | lstarnes | yes |
| 13:29.56 | mjt | squeeze has 6.26, while current is 6.30, reportedly fixing quite some CVE-assigned issues |
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| 13:30.18 | themill | no |
| 13:30.19 | Devastator | valdyn thanks, it was a rookie mistake |
| 13:30.34 | themill | mjt, lstarnes: sun java is not supported in any debian release |
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| 13:30.55 | DelphiWorld | hello guys |
| 13:30.56 | lstarnes | themill: but it's in non-free |
| 13:31.02 | mjt | iirc they changed licence to be non-redistributable |
| 13:31.03 | DelphiWorld | how to setup gnome on a debian ? |
| 13:31.09 | DelphiWorld | is failing apt-get install gnome |
| 13:31.22 | lstarnes | mjt: I don't think they did that |
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| 13:31.31 | jelly-home | mjt: it's not too hard to repack 1.6_30 using the last avaiable 6.26 source package |
| 13:31.40 | boudiccas | DelphiWorld; are you sure that gnome isnt already installled, its installed by default in squeeze |
| 13:31.56 | DelphiWorld | boudiccas: thank you but i didn't include it |
| 13:31.58 | mjt | jelly-home: sure |
| 13:31.59 | DelphiWorld | so i want to apt-get it |
| 13:32.09 | SPF | DelphiWorld: try gnome-core |
| 13:32.19 | jelly-home | -rw-r--r-- 1 jelly src 20281904 Dec 13 23:25 /usr/src/java/sun-java6-jdk_6.30-1_i386.deb |
| 13:32.20 | DelphiWorld | spf, thank you |
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| 13:32.38 | DelphiWorld | lol SPF, gnome worked now:) |
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| 13:32.51 | skilz | how do I change the mouse from right handed to left please? |
| 13:32.58 | skilz | Im using fluxbox |
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| 13:33.44 | mjt | lstarnes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes/Java6Transition |
| 13:34.06 | boudiccas | skilz; lift the mouse from the right side of the keyboard, and place it down on the left of the keyboard, then use your left hand to operate it |
| 13:34.11 | boudiccas | :) |
| 13:34.26 | daveo | boudiccas: brilliant! |
| 13:34.30 | mjt | lstarnes: http://robilad.livejournal.com/90792.html |
| 13:34.44 | lstarnes | ah right |
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| 13:36.46 | jelly-home | boudiccas: that's exactly what I did. It worked. |
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| 13:37.07 | boudiccas | lol |
| 13:37.21 | jelly-home | now I'm left clicking with my middle finger |
| 13:37.30 | mjt | now also rotate it so that left button will be on the right and vise versa |
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| 13:39.16 | themill | lstarnes: it has been removed from non-free |
| 13:39.58 | themill | (or it will be at the next point release if it hasn't just yet) |
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| 13:43.15 | Pintu | anyone here for me |
| 13:43.30 | Pintu | i want to make mail server ? |
| 13:43.41 | mjt | themill: it's already removed |
| 13:44.04 | mjt | ,versions sun-java6-jdk |
| 13:44.05 | judd | Package: sun-java6-jdk on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 6-26-0lenny1; squeeze/non-free: 6.26-0squeeze1 |
| 13:44.12 | themill | so not quite removed |
| 13:44.13 | mjt | hmm ;) |
| 13:44.27 | mjt | oh. right. |
| 13:44.38 | mjt | so, openjdk is the alternative right? |
| 13:44.46 | themill | yes |
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| 13:48.19 | mjt | hmm |
| 13:49.01 | mjt | aha. icedtea6-plugin, not icedtea-plugin |
| 13:49.33 | mjt | ..which is linked with xulrunner-1.9.1. oh well. |
| 13:50.58 | rly | apt-get install libreoffice results in... EPIC FAIL: http://paste.debian.net/149533/ what can be done about that? |
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| 13:51.41 | themill | rly: (a) try aptitude instead; (b) remove openoffice first |
| 13:52.05 | mjt | that's bpo60 |
| 13:52.14 | mjt | apt-get install -t squeeze-backports libreoffice |
| 13:52.23 | rly | themill: should I just remove apt-get from my system? |
| 13:52.28 | themill | no |
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| 13:53.10 | rly | themill: so neither dominates that other in features? |
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| 13:53.39 | themill | dpkg: tell rly about why aptitude |
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| 13:58.23 | fredl | *sigh* |
| 13:58.42 | fredl | KVM & networking in general do not like me. |
| 13:59.27 | fredl | has anybody by any chance set up a KVM host with dual network interfaces over a bridge? |
| 13:59.48 | GNU\colossus | I just installed network-manager from backports on Squeeze (i386), and although I can e. g. scan for APs using iwlist, clicking on "enable wireless" in the applet doesn't do _anything_. not even produce log messages. |
| 13:59.53 | GNU\colossus | any ideas what could cause this? |
| 14:00.35 | fredl | have you rebooted after installing that backport GNU\colossus ? |
| 14:00.44 | GNU\colossus | yes, two times |
| 14:00.53 | fredl | I don't *think* it should change anything really... |
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| 14:01.02 | GNU\colossus | the wired network still works, even using NM |
| 14:01.10 | GNU\colossus | this is so incredibly frustrating |
| 14:01.14 | fredl | but network manager is a bit of a bitch in my experience. |
| 14:01.30 | fredl | did you check the syslog if nm logs anything? |
| 14:01.54 | GNU\colossus | yes. nothing of value in there. |
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| 14:02.05 | GNU\colossus | that being said, the content of NM's log messages are a fucking joke |
| 14:02.19 | GNU\colossus | "reason 0" - really? "reason 2" - oh really?! |
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| 14:03.03 | GNU\colossus | the applet offers a checkbox "enable wireless", which is unchecked. when I click it, literally nothing happens. |
| 14:03.29 | fredl | yeah.... I don't like nm much at all to begin with but that's just me I guess. |
| 14:03.33 | GNU\colossus | nm-tool lists wlan0 as "unavailable" |
| 14:03.55 | jordanm | GNU\colossus: can you iwlist scan the interface? |
| 14:04.02 | GNU\colossus | jordanm, yes I can. |
| 14:04.06 | jelly-home | GNU\colossus: does it start working if you unplug the wired iface? |
| 14:04.15 | fredl | I tried this morning to start up a VPN with it and although this is on my desktop (and thus Ubuntu), I couldn't get nm to do what I can do from the commandline in minutes |
| 14:04.31 | GNU\colossus | jelly-home, no, NM just sees it as down |
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| 14:05.33 | GNU\colossus | fredl, this installation is for a non-technical user. it's an absolute must to have her be able to connect to wifi networks using a GUI, and NM is the only interface that cuts is in terms of ease of use |
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| 14:05.43 | GNU\colossus | can I somehow revert to the non-backport version of NM? |
| 14:05.53 | GNU\colossus | I'd like to see if it's indeed that part of the puzzle that fails |
| 14:05.53 | jelly-home | I have no good things to say about NM, except it worked decently on my netbook on Ubuntu 9.04-10.04. |
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| 14:06.59 | fredl | jelly - would you mind helping me out with what is most likely a stupid network misconfiguration by me? |
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| 14:08.10 | jelly-home | fredl: I should warn you that my rates for private help start at $50/hr |
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| 14:08.57 | jelly-home | that said, no I wouldn't mind, but you'll probably want to ask the channel first |
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| 14:10.08 | superlinux | hi. there is a software which i want its name. it can recognize hand movements and turn them to mouse moves. please help. |
| 14:10.26 | superlinux | recognize it thru a web camera |
| 14:10.29 | fredl | :) |
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| 14:10.52 | fredl | give it a few minutes jelly, I already asked on #kvm and who knows somebody can help me there |
| 14:11.15 | mjt | why do you think kvm has more knowlege in networking area? :) |
| 14:11.18 | jelly-home | if it's a debian system you may ask here |
| 14:11.37 | fredl | I don't *think* so mjt :) |
| 14:12.00 | fredl | it's just I just asked on channel there first and somebody replied |
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| 14:12.45 | fredl | anyway, question is as follows, I have two KVM hosts with Debian stable on it |
| 14:13.06 | fredl | both have two interfaces which I have bridged to br0 and br1 |
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| 14:14.17 | fredl | br0 and br1 have an IP address, there are two /24 routes to those networks and one default gw to the external interface |
| 14:15.24 | cromag | superlinux: handvu maybe ? |
| 14:16.04 | technologov | hi all ! Are Web-API 'Cloud' packages considered Free Software ? |
| 14:16.12 | technologov | We have a battle over this in debian-legal ML, but without result |
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| 14:16.27 | technologov | details: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2011/12/msg00002.html |
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| 14:18.28 | copland | I installed basic net install from a usb flash drive the only problem with that was it wrote the mbr and grub to the usb flash drive and not the drive in the computer. wahts the best way since I can boot into debian to move the mbr and grub over to /dev/sdb instead of /dev/sda "usb flash drive" |
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| 14:19.39 | mjt | copland: does http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover help? |
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| 14:19.49 | mjt | copland: besides, that smells like a bug in the installer |
| 14:20.27 | copland | it may be the bug in flash drive boot maker |
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| 14:20.41 | mjt | unlikely |
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| 14:20.57 | copland | I used unetbootin |
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| 14:21.22 | mjt | the installer should write mbr/bootloader to the right drive, no matter how it has been initially loaded |
| 14:21.29 | GNU\colossus | downgrading NM to squeeze proper (not backports) fixed the problem. |
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| 14:21.57 | copland | or it could be just an issue with this wierd machine it an embeded fanless type of deal and well everything wierd about the hardware except the network cards lol |
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| 14:23.26 | superlinux | cromag, i'll see |
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| 14:26.14 | Agiofws | hello is there a way to remove uninstalled packages via the package managers apt-get or aptitude ? |
| 14:26.19 | Agiofws | i have only 27Mb space left on my / folder |
| 14:26.24 | Agiofws | how do i remove these packages |
| 14:26.30 | Agiofws | via aptitude ? |
| 14:26.40 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/189174 |
| 14:26.42 | Agiofws | ^^ |
| 14:26.58 | engla | also clean aptitude's cache or whatever is using space |
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| 14:28.16 | Agiofws | what does debian use a gui package manager ? |
| 14:28.16 | copland | mjt: yeah grub install worked it just weird it did not work off the bat but like I said It is wierd embeded hardware anyway |
| 14:28.38 | jsoft_ | Anyone else find iceweasel to go quite slow after a while? |
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| 14:29.36 | Agiofws | how do i remove these packages http://imagebin.org/189174 via aptitude ? |
| 14:30.28 | Agiofws | what does debian use a gui package manager ? |
| 14:30.32 | fredl | anyway.... |
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| 14:31.01 | fredl | how do I check which interface a packet gets sent out on, other than looking at the routing table and allow for logic? |
| 14:31.28 | jelly-home | fredl: a packet sniffer might do |
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| 14:31.36 | fredl | coz I have a sneaking suspicion that the packets I try to send out over br1 actually end up going out on br0 |
| 14:31.51 | jelly-home | eg. tcpdump |
| 14:32.31 | engla | Agiofws: synaptic |
| 14:33.13 | jelly-home | Agiofws: if you already have aptitude ui running, why not just press 'g' to let it remove all that stuff |
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| 14:34.07 | fredl | okay this is encouraging so far, I do tcpdump -n -i br0 icmp&; ping 192.168.2.25 |
| 14:34.27 | fredl | and no packets go out br0 (which is the external interface) |
| 14:34.46 | Agiofws | jelly, BECAUSE when i press g it starting to download and not remove packages ... |
| 14:34.59 | Agiofws | jelly-home, ^^ |
| 14:35.34 | fredl | however, when I do tcpdump -n -i br1 icmp&; ping 192.168.2.24 I ALSO don't see packets going out |
| 14:35.49 | fredl | is royally confused |
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| 14:36.07 | jelly-home | Agiofws: you can use "apt-get autoremove" to just remove the packages not needed any more |
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| 14:36.40 | Agiofws | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 627 not upgraded. |
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| 14:36.53 | jelly-home | Agiofws: then there are none to remove at this point. |
| 14:37.16 | Agiofws | why does aptitude say that 1000Mb will be freed ? |
| 14:37.17 | fredl | jelly-home: does this make ANY sense to you at all? |
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| 14:37.51 | Woet | is anyone familiar with finnix here? |
| 14:37.59 | jelly-home | Agiofws: it's showing the state after all its upgrading is done |
| 14:38.30 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/189178 |
| 14:38.38 | jelly-home | fredl: are both of those ip addresses you're pinging external (not local to this system)? |
| 14:38.47 | Agiofws | i have only 32Mb left on / is this safe ? |
| 14:39.03 | fredl | jelly-home: correct. |
| 14:39.41 | fredl | oh wait, one I typed incorrectly. .25 is the other KVM host, .24 is the one I'm typing those commands on |
| 14:40.10 | Agiofws | ok |
| 14:40.15 | Agiofws | a question for now |
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| 14:42.26 | Agiofws | i have a laptop which has lenny on it i'd like to upgrade to debians latest distro (whats its name) ? what i sthe best way to do this ; download an ISO rom debian and install the whole OS again backing up the all personal files ? 2) upgrading via package manager ? |
| 14:43.21 | gr8 | I'm installing squeeze i386 from hybrid usb image. I'm getting the error "The 'grub-pc' package failed to install into /target/." what shall I do? |
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| 14:43.43 | nkuttler | !tell Agiofws about lenny->squeeze |
| 14:43.48 | nikihr | is there any guide how to get started with python & django on debian server??? an up to date guide :) |
| 14:44.15 | Agiofws | nkuttler, what about wheeze is there such a version ? |
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| 14:44.51 | superlinux | cromag, is there an already compiled one of it, or if you can give me something else similar to handvu |
| 14:45.06 | nkuttler | Agiofws: no |
| 14:45.56 | Agiofws | nkuttler, i upgraded once to squeeze via package manager and it was a pain is it still the same painfull process ? |
| 14:46.37 | nkuttler | Agiofws: it was never painful |
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| 14:49.08 | jelly-home | fredl: can you pastebin "ip a" and "ip r"? |
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| 14:49.59 | gr8 | please help me (see above). where is the log file of the graphical installer? |
| 14:50.52 | Agiofws | nkuttler, so you suggest via package manager |
| 14:50.54 | Agiofws | ok |
| 14:51.02 | Agiofws | what does Remove volatile & backports ? |
| 14:51.07 | Agiofws | volatile mean ? |
| 14:51.11 | cromag | superlinux: no idea - just found the name |
| 14:51.25 | nkuttler | !tell Agiofws about backports |
| 14:51.34 | nkuttler | !tell Agiofws about volatile |
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| 14:54.31 | superlinux | cromag, thanks |
| 14:54.31 | Agiofws | ok i pressed g in aptitude and removes a whole lot of packages WHICH it thought i did not USE but i do use open office 1 ) why did it remove it 2 how do i fix this ... ? |
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| 14:55.48 | jelly-home | fredl: and pinging 192.168.2.25 doesn't go out br1? |
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| 14:56.06 | abrotman | Agiofws: in Squeeze or something else? |
| 14:56.09 | jelly-home | Agiofws: install it later, after the release upgrade |
| 14:56.19 | jelly-home | abrotman: he's doing lenny->squeeze now |
| 14:56.27 | fredl | jelly-home: nope, not according to tcpdump -n -i br1 icmp at least |
| 14:56.41 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/ |
| 14:56.42 | jelly-home | fredl: can you in fact ping it? |
| 14:56.42 | abrotman | pretty sure the release notes tell you to rmeove backports packages before you do that dist-upgrade |
| 14:56.51 | fredl | jelly-home: nope |
| 14:56.53 | Agiofws | in squeeze my current system |
| 14:57.05 | jelly-home | fredl: can you arp resolve it? |
| 14:57.20 | fredl | ? (192.168.2.25) at <incomplete> on br1 |
| 14:57.25 | jelly-home | fredl: is it alive? |
| 14:57.46 | fredl | yup br1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:25:90:4a:fd:a7 |
| 14:57.46 | fredl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:57.56 | Agiofws | IT REMOVE A WHOLE lot of packages ... abrotman even irssi i thought it was removing them because it was going to install newer version wtf did just happen ? |
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| 14:58.37 | jelly-home | Agiofws: the easiest thing to do is: save that output, and reinstall later |
| 14:58.42 | fredl | jelly-home: when I arp -d that incomplete entry and ping again, I get the same incomplete arp entry back |
| 14:58.46 | Agiofws | what does the purple color mean in aptitude ?? |
| 14:59.04 | Agiofws | jelly, i moves to another page so output is gone |
| 14:59.12 | Agiofws | it removed 1GB of s/w |
| 14:59.17 | Agiofws | Grrrr |
| 14:59.30 | Agiofws | i don;t even know if mysystem will reboot :P |
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| 14:59.32 | fredl | jelly-home: the same happens on the other KVM host when I try to ping the first |
| 14:59.52 | jelly-home | Agiofws: you ought to have run the upgrade inside script, or screen with logging enabled. |
| 15:00.50 | jelly-home | fredl: what about the bridge configuration |
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| 15:01.37 | fredl | http://pastebin.com/x69QES2y |
| 15:02.01 | fredl | to be quite frank, I don't know what all the options mean exactly. I took it from a KVM howto |
| 15:02.53 | jelly-home | fredl: I have no idea what bridge_stp off means either. I'd remove all those options and let ifupdown/bridgeutils use defaults |
| 15:03.17 | jelly-home | fredl: (all except bridge_ports, that is :-) |
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| 15:06.08 | peragon | HI! |
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| 15:07.02 | fredl | jelly-home: I'll give that a try, but... br0 has the same options and does work |
| 15:07.13 | fredl | well.... |
| 15:07.35 | fredl | hmm, it works when I'm logged in remotely on it that is, but then it gets routed through the default gw |
| 15:08.13 | fredl | ok, I can ping the external bridge device of the one server through the other as well |
| 15:08.47 | fredl | so the real problem seems to be that I *somehow* get incomplete ARP entries on the internal net |
| 15:09.20 | fredl | Well... I guess I could manually add those ARP entries just to make sure |
| 15:09.26 | fredl | or sniff arp packets |
| 15:09.28 | fredl | Hrmm |
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| 15:10.48 | jelly-home | fredl: can you tcpdump all the data on the br1 member, physical iface (eth1?)? |
| 15:11.12 | jelly-home | does anything come or go thru it? |
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| 15:11.37 | fredl | yes I see data coming in on br1 |
| 15:11.45 | fredl | also on eth1 |
| 15:11.54 | jelly-home | just not out? |
| 15:12.20 | fredl | well don't know if nothing goes out, but at least no icmp |
| 15:12.37 | fredl | is there a switch in tcpdump through which I can see only outgoing? |
| 15:12.46 | jelly-home | just look at all the traffic |
| 15:12.55 | jelly-home | (not merely icmp) |
| 15:13.18 | jelly-home | are those arp requests coming out on eth1 when you try to ping |
| 15:14.02 | fredl | should eth1 and br1 have identical traffic? I guess so huh? |
| 15:14.23 | jelly-home | if that's the only member iface, yeah |
| 15:14.49 | fredl | I see 16:14:26.191888 ARP, Request who-has 192.168.2.25 tell 192.168.2.24, length 28 |
| 15:15.02 | jelly-home | on eth1? but no response? |
| 15:15.04 | fredl | that's sniffing on just arp traffic |
| 15:15.25 | fredl | nope, no response |
| 15:15.39 | fredl | bizarre huh? |
| 15:15.42 | jelly-home | and do you see that as inbound traffic on the 192.168.2.25 machine |
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| 15:15.54 | fredl | yeah next step I also had in mind |
| 15:15.59 | jelly-home | (its eth1 and its br1) |
| 15:16.23 | fredl | yes |
| 15:16.41 | jelly-home | if you don't, make sure the machines are REALLY connected to the same segment |
| 15:17.22 | fredl | they should be, they're in the same blade, same switch |
| 15:17.38 | jelly-home | a manageable, configurable switch? |
| 15:17.44 | fredl | and about this particular switch I'm not even fully sure if it's manageable |
| 15:17.57 | fredl | (yes I was thinking VLAN too) |
| 15:18.04 | jelly-home | (I'm going to assume you mean same blade _chassis_, not same blade) |
| 15:18.28 | fredl | no same blade, it's a supermicro twin blade. two motherboards in one blade |
| 15:18.28 | Agiofws | IT even removed chrome |
| 15:18.33 | Agiofws | zzzz |
| 15:18.34 | jelly-home | ew. |
| 15:18.42 | Miesco_ | Whens wheezy become stable? |
| 15:18.53 | jelly-home | Miesco_: maybe 2013 |
| 15:18.56 | phogg | when it's ready |
| 15:19.03 | fredl | hey I didn't buy them. Well in fact I did but only because that was the blade chassis they have :) |
| 15:19.08 | Agiofws | so unstable is wheezy ? |
| 15:19.13 | jelly-home | Agiofws: no. |
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| 15:20.45 | Agiofws | s hit its removing XOrg ... and updating it 2-3 days ago what a night mare so i reverted back |
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| 15:21.05 | jelly-home | fredl: so if eg. power for that blade dies, your VMs are going to fail over to... the very same blade, that died? :-) |
| 15:21.25 | fredl | no we have more than one twin blades thank you very much :P |
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| 15:21.35 | Agiofws | is wandering that "rm -rf /" would be better :P |
| 15:21.42 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/ |
| 15:22.11 | fredl | uhm. this is strange. |
| 15:22.29 | fredl | I'm logged in remotely through the bridge on the second box |
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| 15:22.39 | fredl | trying to apt-get tcpdump on it.... |
| 15:22.48 | abrotman | Agiofws: did you actually follow the release notes ? |
| 15:22.50 | fredl | and it cannot ping ftp.nl.debian.org |
| 15:23.08 | SSigSeg | Squeeze is stable imo... and im running the 2.6.39-4 kernel without a problem too :D |
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| 15:23.25 | mavez | hi anyone know if lenny has the package usb-modeswitch in its repos |
| 15:23.27 | fredl | scratches his chin |
| 15:23.30 | Agiofws | i'm running a 3.1 kernel and its ok |
| 15:23.41 | abrotman | mavez: packages.debian.org would know |
| 15:23.48 | mavez | thanks |
| 15:24.03 | fredl | hmmm |
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| 15:24.21 | SSigSeg | i have to run 2.6.39 because the native squeeze kernel doesn't support my wifi adapter in my laptop |
| 15:24.35 | abrotman | mavez: more specifically .. packages.debian.org/usb-modeswitch |
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| 15:24.47 | fredl | strangely enough I resolved that through removing an arp entry of an external IP which is NOT my default gw |
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| 15:25.05 | mavez | abrotman only lists sid, squeeze and wheezy |
| 15:25.07 | mavez | thanks anyway :) |
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| 15:25.15 | abrotman | okay |
| 15:26.11 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/ |
| 15:26.16 | fredl | jelly-home: I see the arp broadcasts coming in on the br1 device of the second box *sigh* |
| 15:26.20 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/ |
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| 15:27.04 | fredl | jelly-home: 16:26:27.925840 ARP, Request who-has 192.168.2.25 tell 192.168.2.24, length 46 |
| 15:27.04 | fredl | 16:26:27.925843 ARP, Reply 192.168.2.25 is-at 00:25:90:4a:fd:a7, length 28 |
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| 15:27.31 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/ |
| 15:27.37 | phogg | Agiofws: ? |
| 15:27.38 | Agiofws | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 15:27.40 | Agiofws | ? |
| 15:27.53 | phogg | Agiofws: you keep saing "http://imagebin.org/" |
| 15:28.17 | Agiofws | i'm trying to get aptitude to install packages that were apgraded and it stalls at tha message |
| 15:28.28 | Agiofws | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 15:28.30 | Agiofws | A package failed to install. Trying to recover: |
| 15:28.38 | fredl | jelly-home, so arp 1 goes out, arp 1 comes in on second box, arp 1 reply goes out from second box, arp reply does NOT arrive on box 1 |
| 15:28.40 | jelly-home | fredl: ok. that's on its eth1, both request and reply? |
| 15:28.59 | themill | Agiofws: how about putting the entire output into a pastebin |
| 15:29.01 | fredl | jelly-home, correct |
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| 15:29.14 | fredl | I'm baffled... |
| 15:29.33 | abrotman | mavez: you could try to backport it |
| 15:29.54 | abrotman | mavez: but really, lenny will lose security support in four or so months .. you'd be smart to upgrade to squeeze anyway |
| 15:29.56 | fredl | stupefied.... |
| 15:30.11 | jelly-home | fredl: I have no idea what's happening there, then, except thinking it's probably not on the hosts but on a network element in between |
| 15:30.25 | Agiofws | themill, if stupid aptitude would leave me an un purged browser to let me paste the code :P |
| 15:30.28 | jetscreamer | there's always #netowrking as a fallback |
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| 15:30.32 | fredl | jelly-home: this is possible... |
| 15:30.38 | jetscreamer | err #networking |
| 15:30.48 | themill | Agiofws: there are plenty of other ways to pastebin stuff |
| 15:30.56 | fredl | I'm going to give up on this for now, need to make some dinner for the kids |
| 15:31.05 | fredl | jelly-home, thanks for trying to help! |
| 15:31.08 | Agiofws | themill, http://codepad.org/VGwvxp6p |
| 15:31.11 | mavez | abrotman yeah might just change it to the squeeze repos and update |
| 15:31.14 | mavez | thanks |
| 15:31.34 | jelly-home | fredl: np, cheers |
| 15:31.38 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/ |
| 15:31.56 | themill | that's not the entire output |
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| 15:32.20 | fredl | hardly cheers mate. I'm spending entirely too much time on this. We've had suspicions that there's something in the switch but AFAIK it's not a managed switch at all |
| 15:32.33 | fredl | but that's something I'm going to have to figure out in the office tomorrow. |
| 15:32.34 | Agiofws | from aptitde i press g ... then it trues to start installing and it stops there |
| 15:32.50 | abrotman | the release notes say to use apt-get ... |
| 15:32.54 | themill | Agiofws: are you going to start following the release notes any time soon? |
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| 15:33.21 | Agiofws | dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: |
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| 15:33.21 | dpkg | Agiofws: wish i knew |
| 15:33.26 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.35 | Agiofws | release notes of what |
| 15:33.41 | themill | was this an up to date lenny box before you started the upgrade? |
| 15:33.55 | themill | Agiofws: you could have asked that question the last 8 times people told you to read the release notes. |
| 15:33.59 | Agiofws | this was a squeeze box nothing to do with lenny |
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| 15:34.30 | abrotman | where did you get a 3.x kernel on squeeze? |
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| 15:34.57 | dvs | busted! |
| 15:35.01 | GreenLime | My question is how many mhz or ghz is required for debian 6, all I see i386 |
| 15:35.07 | jelly-home | Agiofws: it would be nice to say "I'm having this different problem on a different box" when asking a new question |
| 15:35.18 | valdyn | GreenLime: theres no speed requirement |
| 15:35.35 | dvs | GreenLime: Just dont get in my way! ;-) |
| 15:35.36 | themill | especially when your S/N is so low. |
| 15:35.44 | abrotman | GreenLime: a 486 is required ... |
| 15:35.51 | Agiofws | i was just trying to remove un installed packages so pressed g in aptitude and it started removing but as far as i can see... when it tries to install new packages its downloaded its stops so i now i have a brocken machine it removed about 1GB of s/w |
| 15:35.54 | Agiofws | themill, ^^ |
| 15:36.04 | GreenLime | abroman how many mhz or ram is that |
| 15:36.07 | Agiofws | abrotman, i compile my own kernels ... |
| 15:36.09 | Agiofws | thats all |
| 15:36.13 | abrotman | GreenLime: what hardware do you have? |
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| 15:36.25 | GreenLime | doesnt matter what i have i want to know how much |
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| 15:36.43 | jelly-home | GreenLime: let's say 256MB RAM for no X and 512MB to get X and some apps (barely) running |
| 15:36.44 | valdyn | GreenLime: theres no speed requirement, the installer probably needs 64MB |
| 15:36.49 | Agiofws | jes i am having a dif. problem on a squeeze box |
| 15:36.52 | Agiofws | ftb |
| 15:36.55 | abrotman | GreenLime: 40Mhz and 40MB RAM are bare minimum .. |
| 15:37.06 | abrotman | erm, 48MB RAM |
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| 15:37.27 | jelly-home | dpkg will LAUGH at you if you try to run it in 48MB though |
| 15:37.28 | dpkg | jelly-home: no idea |
| 15:37.37 | jelly-home | dpkg: don't act all shy now |
| 15:37.38 | dpkg | wish i knew, jelly-home |
| 15:37.40 | abrotman | doesn't mean it won't work |
| 15:37.55 | jelly-home | yes it does, for all practical purposes |
| 15:38.02 | valdyn | I suppose the largest barrier is now apt-get and the default repositories, which needs alot of ram |
| 15:38.05 | abrotman | he asked the question .. refused to answer mine .. |
| 15:38.05 | Agiofws | is there a verbose mode in aptitude ? |
| 15:38.20 | valdyn | Agiofws: its verbose enough |
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| 15:39.16 | Agiofws | I HATE the way it states g: Download/Install/Remove Pkgs <--------- IT should be a different TASK not ALL in one |
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| 15:39.38 | valdyn | Agiofws: last time i saw you had nearly 700 not upgraded packages |
| 15:39.44 | Agiofws | it broke my machine if i reboot i will be in serious trouble |
| 15:39.50 | abrotman | and then he left |
| 15:39.51 | valdyn | Agiofws: thats not a position from which you can fix anything |
| 15:40.11 | Agiofws | valdyn, why is it not upgrading ? |
| 15:40.26 | abrotman | Agiofws: have you pasted your sources.list yet? |
| 15:40.26 | Agiofws | plain and simple it removed packages ... |
| 15:40.32 | Agiofws | i will |
| 15:40.37 | abrotman | in paste.debian.net |
| 15:40.51 | themill | Agiofws: it would be easier if you used it in command line mode and pastebinned what it said rather than summarising its output without telling us useful details |
| 15:41.34 | Agiofws | http://paste.debian.net/149537/ abrotman |
| 15:41.42 | Agiofws | fine |
| 15:41.45 | Agiofws | command mode |
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| 15:42.43 | Agiofws | FFS it removed aptitude |
| 15:42.51 | abrotman | you let it do stuff? |
| 15:42.51 | valdyn | hah |
| 15:43.12 | abrotman | "Hey, I think aptitude is doing the wrong thing, bah, I"ll let it do it" |
| 15:43.30 | Agiofws | WOW this is the first time that i would flunk linux or debian :P |
| 15:43.35 | Agiofws | jeez |
| 15:43.56 | Agiofws | atleast it left apt-get |
| 15:44.11 | Agiofws | W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 15:44.21 | Agiofws | could that be a major problem ? |
| 15:44.23 | valdyn | Agiofws: ignore that |
| 15:44.26 | Agiofws | ok |
| 15:44.42 | dvs | Agiofws: W: means warning. |
| 15:44.43 | Agiofws | apt-get upgrade ? |
| 15:44.58 | Agiofws | should i enable backports ? |
| 15:46.52 | themill | Agiofws: how would we know when we still don't know what the problem is? (in general, no, you do not need backports) |
| 15:46.53 | Agiofws | 268 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 35 not upgraded. |
| 15:46.56 | Agiofws | Need to get 117 MB/286 MB of archives |
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| 15:47.23 | Agiofws | i wonder what aptitude was tripping on |
| 15:47.38 | abrotman | whatever you'd messed up |
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| 15:49.23 | Agiofws | by the way you have a nice paste page |
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| 15:49.26 | Agiofws | http://paste.debian.net/149538/ |
| 15:49.28 | Agiofws | ^^ |
| 15:49.41 | valdyn | Agiofws: "dist-upgrade" |
| 15:49.49 | Agiofws | after ? |
| 15:49.58 | valdyn | Agiofws: as you want |
| 15:50.01 | Agiofws | or should i stop it ? |
| 15:50.01 | themill | so what are you upgrading from and to here? |
| 15:50.15 | Agiofws | from squeeze to squeeze ? |
| 15:50.27 | abrotman | !held back |
| 15:50.28 | dpkg | it has been said that kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "full-upgrade" and old packages need to be removed as part of the upgrade. To investigate, "aptitude -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 Ask me about <full-upgrade>. |
| 15:50.39 | themill | Agiofws: no... that's not just "from squeeze to squeeze" |
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| 15:51.02 | Agiofws | what is it then ? |
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| 15:51.18 | valdyn | Agiofws: "apt-cache policy libc6" <- show us the output |
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| 15:51.37 | SillyTalker | i get the latest debian stable netinst, burn it to a CD, put it in my dads old P4 laptop.... |
| 15:51.49 | SillyTalker | debian starts like usually, asking for my language etc, after grub |
| 15:51.51 | Agiofws | libc6: |
| 15:51.51 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.56 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:51.56 | SillyTalker | and then at some point it just stops advancing |
| 15:52.01 | SillyTalker | when i enter the blue screen is going up |
| 15:52.07 | SillyTalker | and a new grey line is being added |
| 15:52.15 | SillyTalker | any suggestions? |
| 15:52.24 | valdyn | judd: versions libc6 |
| 15:52.25 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-1; wheezy: 2.13-21; sid: 2.13-23 |
| 15:52.26 | Agiofws | blue screen of death ? |
| 15:52.33 | SillyTalker | since it doesn't give me an error its impossible to iknow whats going wrong |
| 15:52.37 | SillyTalker | no.... |
| 15:52.43 | SillyTalker | the debian installer's blue screen..... |
| 15:52.47 | SillyTalker | pfff |
| 15:52.48 | SillyTalker | never mind |
| 15:52.53 | SillyTalker | if you didn't understand that then you canot help |
| 15:52.55 | Agiofws | jk |
| 15:53.02 | themill | dpkg: tell SillyTalker about enter |
| 15:53.04 | jetscreamer | sounds lke ncurses to me |
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| 15:54.37 | themill | Agiofws: so that looks like a pre-release version of squeeze from when squeeze was testing. So it's not really an upgrade from "squeeze that is stable" but an upgrading from some state that is between oldstable and stable. That sort of upgrade is never tested and obviously requires more care... as you have found. |
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| 15:55.06 | themill | Agiofws: when in that sort of situation, reading the release notes for how to upgrade from oldstable to stable is a sensible thing to do. |
| 15:55.35 | Agiofws | this was upgraded from lenny to testing squeeze i think |
| 15:55.44 | abrotman | SillyTalker: what does teh text on the bottom of the screen say ? |
| 15:55.46 | SillyTalker | i recall i tried another distro on this thing before, but years ago, and then i had to do the "-- noapic" line at grub |
| 15:55.54 | SillyTalker | abrotman, nothing whatsoever |
| 15:56.03 | abrotman | so just blank lines ? |
| 15:56.04 | SillyTalker | empty blue screen with empty grey line underneath |
| 15:56.11 | SillyTalker | when i press enter its 2 empty grey lines |
| 15:56.15 | abrotman | so try the noapic stuff if you think you need it |
| 15:56.16 | Agiofws | ok themill you have to help now it downloaded all the packages BUT says |
| 15:56.21 | SillyTalker | yep blank but clearly something went wrong |
| 15:56.25 | themill | Agiofws: yes, that sounds about right. And as a user of testing, you know to be careful with what apt plans to do... |
| 15:56.39 | abrotman | SillyTalker: there is a debug screen in alt-f3 or alt-f4 |
| 15:56.46 | SillyTalker | aha thanks |
| 15:56.53 | Agiofws | themill, http://paste.debian.net/149539/ ? |
| 15:56.54 | SillyTalker | i'll take a look what i get there |
| 15:57.11 | Agiofws | i think its the gnokii thing ? |
| 15:57.16 | themill | Agiofws: you're going to need to fix the statoverride file yourself |
| 15:57.18 | SillyTalker | abrotman, " -- noapic" does that also still work? i recall i had to do this years ago on the same machine with another distro |
| 15:57.24 | Agiofws | maybe i should do apt-get -f install ? |
| 15:57.37 | Agiofws | i will but what is it ? |
| 15:58.05 | themill | Agiofws: did you once install gnokii and then remove it? |
| 15:58.11 | abrotman | SillyTalker: it would still work, yes |
| 15:58.17 | Agiofws | i don;t remember |
| 15:58.24 | Agiofws | what is gnokii ? |
| 15:58.43 | Agiofws | i think i did it seems familiar atleast it name does |
| 15:58.47 | SillyTalker | abrotman, aha, then i will just try that first, and hope it will work (i recalled this when i already left the machine and was sitting here) |
| 15:59.12 | themill | Agiofws: can you pastebin /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride |
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| 16:01.08 | Agiofws | http://codepad.org/e4ER8A7d themill |
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| 16:01.43 | themill | Agiofws: just delete the gnokii group |
| 16:01.50 | themill | err... gnokii line |
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| 16:03.22 | Agiofws | so that was what aptitude was tripping on ? |
| 16:03.32 | Agiofws | could you explain to me why ? |
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| 16:04.46 | abrotman | not anymore .. you didn't paste output when it was useful |
| 16:05.04 | themill | !dbugs 563317 |
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| 16:05.13 | dpkg | DONE:#563317:I[gnokii-cli] gnokii-cli: Error removing gnokii-cli: grou removed before running dpkg-statoverrides (); Fri, 01 Jan 2010 21:57:02 UTC [] |
| 16:05.19 | crosswalk | It doesn't look like my chown and chgrp commands are restricted to root permissions. Is it a good idea to go ahead and do that? |
| 16:05.32 | crosswalk | I'm sorry, they ARE NOT restricted. |
| 16:05.49 | themill | crosswalk: what are you hoping to achieve by doing so? |
| 16:06.01 | Agiofws | i just would like to know why it was stalling on that line i suspect something was out of sync |
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| 16:06.43 | crosswalk | themill: The book I'm reading outlined that those commands are usually root perm'd for a more secure system. |
| 16:06.51 | Agiofws | Unpacking replacement login ... |
| 16:06.53 | Agiofws | lol |
| 16:07.01 | Agiofws | if i had rebooted i was doomed |
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| 16:07.39 | themill | crosswalk: which book is this? it doesn't sound like it was written in the last 30 years |
| 16:07.47 | abrotman | replacement ... |
| 16:07.53 | Agiofws | ahh ok |
| 16:07.56 | jelly-home | Securing Ultrix |
| 16:07.59 | abrotman | themill: words are hard, let's go booze |
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| 16:08.09 | Agiofws | i am thinking why did it uninstall something like OOO |
| 16:08.14 | crosswalk | themill: It's the Intro to Linux book on tldp.org |
| 16:08.28 | Agiofws | or evince |
| 16:08.58 | abrotman | Agiofws: we've already said you didn't provide us with useful information before you acted .. we cannot possibly know what you messed up |
| 16:09.51 | Agiofws | i did abrotman its just that aptitude does not have an extra console to paste messages |
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| 16:18.46 | rly | How can I see harddisk temperature? |
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| 16:19.46 | filePeter | rly: With smartd / smartctl |
| 16:20.32 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/ |
| 16:20.35 | jelly-home | or hddtemp |
| 16:21.23 | rly | Yeah, hddtemp says 47 degrees for the hottest one. |
| 16:21.36 | rly | I think that is according to spec. |
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| 16:21.54 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/189187 |
| 16:21.55 | rly | The problem is that it just randomly goes in a mode of blinking led lights on the case. |
| 16:22.15 | rly | I thought it correlated with high disk usage. |
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| 16:26.22 | sinapsi | i can't mount a mmc with the possibility to write |
| 16:26.25 | sinapsi | :( |
| 16:26.45 | jetscreamer | dear imagebin.org. please magically show me whatever it was that Agiofws posed there sometime today. tia. |
| 16:26.57 | jetscreamer | s/posed/posted/ |
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| 16:27.11 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: has joined debian! |
| 16:27.22 | jelly-home | nice font |
| 16:27.42 | jetscreamer | it's whatever xchat puts out by default |
| 16:27.51 | jelly-home | xchat puts out? |
| 16:27.51 | jetscreamer | waves |
| 16:27.58 | jetscreamer | font |
| 16:28.18 | jelly-home | that doesn't look like any default I've seen |
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| 16:29.06 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/189188 |
| 16:29.07 | Agiofws | do you mean this font ^^ |
| 16:29.34 | jetscreamer | omg i hope not |
| 16:29.42 | jetscreamer | doesn't look a thing like that here |
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| 16:31.09 | jetscreamer | i'll have to go to irssi |
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| 16:32.18 | daGrevis | Anyone here has problem with NetBeans disappearing from main menu? |
| 16:32.24 | daGrevis | *had |
| 16:33.36 | jetscreamer | no idea but i wonder if update-menus does anything to help |
| 16:33.47 | jetscreamer | probably not |
| 16:34.22 | daGrevis | jetscreamer, nop, it doesnt help |
| 16:34.33 | daGrevis | well, nb files ARE in the place |
| 16:34.55 | daGrevis | just I can run it. no menu icon and from terminal by typing "netbeans" - nothing |
| 16:34.59 | daGrevis | *cant |
| 16:35.15 | jetscreamer | gnome? |
| 16:35.28 | daGrevis | jes |
| 16:35.37 | daGrevis | *yes (cant really type today) |
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| 16:36.07 | jetscreamer | i've had issues with the default path set by gdm in the past, no idea if it's what you have |
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| 16:36.27 | abrotman | Agiofws: that doesn't even make sense |
| 16:36.38 | jetscreamer | more like how gdm overrides the default path maybe |
| 16:36.46 | jetscreamer | heh there him is |
| 16:36.58 | jetscreamer | was wondering just a min ago |
| 16:37.23 | jetscreamer | hi abrotman |
| 16:37.27 | daGrevis | k, i will simple do reinstall |
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| 16:38.32 | jetscreamer | hey i have no idea why your netbeans isn't showing, i just mentioned something i knew of that could concieveably affect it |
| 16:40.08 | SillyTalker | i didnt have wireless networking while installing, and i used netinst |
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| 16:40.21 | SillyTalker | after install i hooked it up over ethernet, and used dhclient to get an ip |
| 16:40.31 | SillyTalker | how can i now get my wireless working? |
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| 16:47.14 | crosswalk | Doing a aptitude update and then an aptitude upgrade brings the system up to date with updates, correct? |
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| 16:47.40 | SillyTalker | my apt cannot find any packages |
| 16:47.42 | SillyTalker | what the |
| 16:47.47 | demonkeeper | crosswalk: Yes (on stable) |
| 16:48.02 | crosswalk | demonkeeper: Okay. Thank you. |
| 16:48.10 | SillyTalker | do i really have to isntall completely again with ethernet hooked up?.... |
| 16:48.40 | crosswalk | SillyTalker: What does your /etc/apt/sources.list look like? |
| 16:48.55 | SillyTalker | crosswalk, i uncommented the 2 ftp lines |
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| 16:49.12 | SillyTalker | crosswalk, and when i do apt-get update they seem to work |
| 16:49.17 | SillyTalker | although it does not update a thing |
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| 16:49.37 | abrotman | hi jetscreamer |
| 16:49.56 | abrotman | !tell SillyTalker about squeeze sources.list |
| 16:50.22 | crosswalk | SillyTalker: You may need the squeeze repo entries in there. |
| 16:50.48 | abrotman | SillyTalker: see what the bot told you |
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| 16:51.02 | SillyTalker | abrotman, yeah i already knew what the bot told me... |
| 16:51.09 | themill | SillyTalker: can you pastebin your sources.list please? |
| 16:51.15 | SillyTalker | themill, i cannot |
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| 16:51.25 | themill | why not? |
| 16:51.28 | SillyTalker | no desktop environment, no way to install anything |
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| 16:51.46 | SillyTalker | sources.list is correct |
| 16:51.48 | SillyTalker | 100% sure |
| 16:51.58 | themill | w3m is part of the default instakk |
| 16:52.22 | SillyTalker | its the default sources.list with the 2 lines uncommented... |
| 16:52.35 | themill | there's no such thing as a default sources.list |
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| 16:53.43 | abrotman | SillyTalker: if you only have two lines, you don't have what the bot told you |
| 16:54.00 | SillyTalker | yes i do |
| 16:54.07 | SillyTalker | i said i uncommented the 2 lines |
| 16:54.20 | SillyTalker | themill, oh it must have been on my system for fun then |
| 16:54.22 | crosswalk | SillyTalker: I believe you need to do an apt-get upgrade afterwards. That's the question I just asked a few moments ago. |
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| 16:54.55 | SillyTalker | crosswalk, the prob was that it does not find any packages, but i'll try |
| 16:55.28 | SillyTalker | yep that works |
| 16:55.31 | crosswalk | Running apt-get update will update the source cache, apt-get upgrade will actually do the system updates if I'm not mistaken with what I understand now. |
| 16:55.41 | SillyTalker | so what is the name of the default gnome desktop, please? |
| 16:55.49 | SillyTalker | yeah sure |
| 16:55.55 | SillyTalker | but it doesnt find any packagename i try to isntall |
| 16:55.57 | themill | dpkg: tell SillyTalker about install gnome |
| 16:56.12 | crosswalk | Run apt-cache search gnome |
| 16:56.20 | abrotman | did he update yet? |
| 16:56.26 | SillyTalker | so i did have the names right, thansk themill |
| 16:56.37 | themill | abrotman: only he knows and he's not going to tell us. |
| 16:56.37 | SillyTalker | i'll just try after upgrade is finished |
| 16:56.53 | SillyTalker | abrotman, yeah i did apt-get update |
| 16:57.01 | SillyTalker | i did that before i came in |
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| 16:57.42 | SillyTalker | do you think it would mather a lot for only 512MB RAM ? |
| 16:57.52 | SillyTalker | should i pick xfce maybe? |
| 16:57.55 | SillyTalker | or something else |
| 16:58.10 | rly | What is the most userfriendly application to make new partitions, new file systems, resize them, etc. on Linux? I need to do operations on NTFS and EXT3. |
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| 16:58.13 | themill | I can't imagine gnome being happy on that machine |
| 16:58.23 | crosswalk | SillyTalker: I run a plain x session with xmonad. |
| 16:58.49 | SillyTalker | grrrrrrrrr |
| 16:58.53 | SillyTalker | "cannot find package gnome" |
| 16:58.55 | SillyTalker | still the same bs |
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| 16:59.09 | Polysics | hi |
| 16:59.20 | SillyTalker | themill, i've had gnome before on a 512MB machine and it ran fine from what i remember |
| 16:59.24 | SillyTalker | but this is quite a while ago |
| 16:59.26 | Polysics | i think i did THE damage to my machine |
| 16:59.29 | crosswalk | SillyTalker: Run apt-cache search gnome to make sure you're looking for the right package name. It will populate a list of possible matches. |
| 16:59.34 | abrotman | SillyTalker: you clearly don't have the correct sources.list .. read what the bot told you again |
| 16:59.39 | abrotman | crosswalk: it's the right name |
| 16:59.40 | Polysics | i wanted to use dd to install a debian netinst to an USB key |
| 16:59.40 | themill | SillyTalker: if you don't want answers, please don't ask. |
| 16:59.49 | project2501a | hey guys. can the ext4 tools write a 66TB filesystem? |
| 16:59.51 | Polysics | mount listed this /dev/sda6 |
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| 16:59.59 | Polysics | and i thought "hey, it's that" |
| 17:00.00 | JaredKz | I'm trying to install a printer, but debian won't recognise the printer when I go to install the drivers for it. The drivers ARE for ubuntu 9.04 but they seem to be working fine after I aptitude install sudo |
| 17:00.04 | abrotman | project2501a: try it and see |
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| 17:00.28 | Polysics | i dd'ed the image to /dev/sda6 and now grub says "unknown filesystem" |
| 17:00.28 | project2501a | abrotman: i did. it failed. i would like to confirm my suspicion that the tools are in 32-bit mode |
| 17:00.30 | SillyTalker | abrotman, so if i understand correctly debian comes with a faulty sources.list after install? |
| 17:00.38 | crosswalk | abrotman: Yeah, just looked myself to make sure I wasn't giving him useless advice. =P |
| 17:00.40 | Polysics | would you say i just dd'ed over my filesystem? |
| 17:00.42 | abrotman | SillyTalker: nope |
| 17:00.52 | Polysics | = killed the machine? |
| 17:00.57 | SillyTalker | abrotman, all i did is UNCOMMENT the 2 lines present there |
| 17:00.59 | SillyTalker | one starting with deb |
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| 17:01.02 | SillyTalker | one with deb-src |
| 17:01.05 | abrotman | SillyTalker: READ WHAT THE BOT TOLD YOU |
| 17:01.08 | abrotman | jesus |
| 17:01.19 | abrotman | not sure why you feel teh need to ignore it |
| 17:01.26 | SillyTalker | abrotman wants you to know: The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 17:01.35 | SillyTalker | i read it TEN FUCKING TIMES |
| 17:01.36 | rly | I suppose nobody ever tested rsync on NTFS? |
| 17:01.38 | themill | SillyTalker: we know what the bot said. I wrote it. |
| 17:01.40 | SillyTalker | IT DOES NOT HELP |
| 17:01.43 | abrotman | SillyTalker: and do you have both of those lines in the file? |
| 17:01.47 | SillyTalker | YES |
| 17:01.53 | abrotman | and you did an apt-get update? |
| 17:01.54 | SillyTalker | i explained than 87456342894732568934276 times |
| 17:02.00 | SillyTalker | YESi said that 328943268947326489746 times |
| 17:02.03 | themill | SillyTalker: if you have two lines, one starting with "deb" and one with "deb-src", then you do NOT have what the bot said |
| 17:02.06 | Polysics | the goggles, they do nothing? |
| 17:02.33 | SillyTalker | then the bot is VERY VERY VERY unclear |
| 17:02.33 | themill | SillyTalker: now please. Try reading it and then fixing your sources.list. |
| 17:02.43 | themill | SillyTalker: It is not. It does not mention deb-src at all. |
| 17:02.44 | abrotman | the bot is VERY clear |
| 17:02.49 | SillyTalker | your crappy message is too uncrlear to decipher |
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| 17:02.52 | Polysics | anyone, about my dd issue? it's a simple question, unfortunately |
| 17:02.56 | abrotman | it gives you two lines .. you do not have them both |
| 17:02.58 | Polysics | did i kill my machine? :-( |
| 17:03.00 | crosswalk | SillyTalker: I think you're missing two lines altogether. I would pastebin what I have but I do not know how to copy and paste to xterm. =/ |
| 17:03.01 | themill | SillyTalker: please take a break from ranting and go and fix your sources.list. |
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| 17:03.50 | Polysics | someone please tell me i didn't :-) |
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| 17:05.12 | forrest | I'm having trouble installing the drupal7 package in sid to use postgresql. |
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| 17:05.53 | JaredKz | How do I view a list of devices connected to my computer? and do they have to be mounted? setup is having a hard time finding my printer |
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| 17:08.35 | acu | !lsmod |
| 17:09.10 | Polysics | sorry to insist, could anyone please just confirm i killed my machine? before i reinstall? |
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| 17:09.23 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 17:09.24 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run "lshw -html > myhardware.html" as root and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>, <driver locator>. |
| 17:09.46 | JaredKz | thanks abrotman! |
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| 17:11.01 | acu | forrest: you have do describe more precisely what do you want the help with - CPU RAM OS version, what do you try to accomplish and specific error |
| 17:12.11 | acu | forrest: first of all - did you setup properly the postgresql database - did you creata a database, a user ? do you have any required utilities etc |
| 17:13.05 | Polysics | is there a way from the grub rescue menu to see the size of the partitions? |
| 17:13.23 | Polysics | just trying to confirm pc is dead |
| 17:13.59 | abrotman | Polysics: why not just boot a livecd ? |
| 17:14.16 | Polysics | abrotman, and then what, please? |
| 17:14.21 | Polysics | a livecd of debian is ok? |
| 17:14.23 | forrest | acu: I'm following the instructions in /usr/share/doc/drupal7/README.Debian.gz . Postgresql 9.1 is installed from the debian package -- the drupal7 configure should (appears to) create the db |
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| 17:15.48 | abrotman | Polysics: look to see if you can see your partitions ? |
| 17:15.49 | forrest | acu: when I go to http://localhost/drupal7/install.php in those instructions, I get this error: Notice: Undefined index: distribution_name in drupal_install_profile_distribution_name() (line 196 of /usr/share/drupal7/includes/install.inc). |
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| 17:16.30 | Polysics | can i install a live cd to a USB stick? my surviving machine has no CD :-) |
| 17:16.50 | acu | forrest: I did not install drupal since long time, and so far I use other CMSes which require databases - I use Postgresql 8.4 (which is comming with Debian Squeeze) - in most cases I need to go in as postgres psql - and create at least a database a user and grant all the privileges to that database - also I need to insert pgcrypto |
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| 17:17.45 | forrest | although it appears that I could continue with the setup. I think it's some problem connecting to the db, because (1) pg_hba.conf isn't modified, and (2) I can only connect to the db as the postgres user (it does exist) |
| 17:17.56 | acu | forrest: you must make sure your database is on and you can access it - it has ports etc - 5432 |
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| 17:18.35 | acu | forrest: sometimes you need to setup a specific password to the postgres - so you can mention it during install |
| 17:18.36 | forrest | I've been messing with pg_hba.conf manually trying to get it "right", unfortunately I don't know exactly what that means |
| 17:19.08 | acu | there are specific apache modlules for postgresql |
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| 17:20.40 | Agiofws | is apt-get aptitude and synaptic totally synced between each other or will they try to update dif. parts to to dif. versions of s/w ? |
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| 17:21.37 | lysdexic | synaptic is just a gui of aptitude IIRC |
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| 17:21.48 | Agiofws | ok |
| 17:22.09 | lysdexic | as for the other bit... Im not sure 100% but I assume so |
| 17:22.45 | themill | lysdexic: not really |
| 17:22.47 | lysdexic | Id be more interested in knowing how aptitude and dpkg co-exist |
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| 17:23.07 | themill | Agiofws: they coexist quite happily, with the exception of "aptitude hold". |
| 17:23.21 | themill | lysdexic: aptitude doesn't install packages, it asks dpkg to do so. |
| 17:23.23 | Agiofws | ok |
| 17:23.29 | lysdexic | ahh ok |
| 17:23.40 | themill | Agiofws: well, and a few bugs that synaptic has about ignoring Default-Release. |
| 17:23.41 | Agiofws | has gone through all of debians package managers today |
| 17:23.52 | lysdexic | so apt-get is just an alias for aptitude? |
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| 17:24.12 | abrotman | lysdexic: see aptitude-gtk |
| 17:24.24 | lysdexic | I have only recently started using Debian so unsure |
| 17:24.25 | Agiofws | lysdexic, do i think its a totally dif. app that does the same thing up to 99% |
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| 17:24.49 | forrest | Polysics, UNetbootin is the easy way http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ -- i think there's a debian package for it too |
| 17:25.02 | HeXiLeD | lysdexic the other way around |
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| 17:25.51 | lysdexic | aptitude is an alias for apt-get ... which in turn uses dpkg to actually do the work? |
| 17:26.01 | abrotman | lysdexic: not even close .. they're different programs |
| 17:26.11 | lysdexic | lol Im confused |
| 17:26.11 | abrotman | very wrong |
| 17:27.13 | lysdexic | googles and reads |
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| 17:28.36 | boudiccas | under squeeze and gnome, where does it set the default for kget for torrent files please? i want to change it to transmission |
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| 17:29.42 | abrotman | boudiccas: right click on one, change the filetype or so ... i think it's Properties->Open With |
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| 17:30.26 | boudiccas | abrotman; thanks |
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| 17:30.57 | lysdexic | ok, so if I read this right... aptitude and synaptic are guis of APT(-get etc), and if a .deb pkg is required; APT calls dpkg |
| 17:31.00 | lysdexic | correct? |
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| 17:31.51 | themill | lysdexic: close, apt-get, aptitude and synaptic are all frontends to libapt; libapt gets dpkg to do the actual work. |
| 17:32.18 | lysdexic | ok |
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| 17:36.35 | acu | is there any chat room for debian wheezy - I start installing it - and I may give some feedback about it |
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| 17:37.17 | ksk | mhm dunno.. found a bug? im sure theres a miling list / graphical frontend via www |
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| 17:38.29 | rly | Did Unstable switch to Gnome3 by default? |
| 17:38.55 | rly | Is it still possible to run Gnome2 in Unstable? |
| 17:38.58 | abrotman | no |
| 17:38.58 | acu | rly: do not know about unstable - but testing (wheezy) is on GNOME3 |
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| 17:39.15 | abrotman | rly: gnome2 is dead upstream, either get used to gnome3 or find a new WM |
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| 17:43.17 | rly | Why does 'Searching /dev/sdd partitions' take already 30 seconds with new hardware? |
| 17:43.34 | rly | (gparted) |
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| 17:43.47 | rly | Is gparted in Stable broken? |
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| 17:44.32 | acu | no |
| 17:44.44 | rly | It seems it was just terribly slow. |
| 17:44.48 | rly | It took over a minute. |
| 17:45.07 | rly | Also, can't it shrink NTFS file systems? |
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| 17:45.44 | acu | I think it can - did it sometimes ago - though usually I shrink them from windows - if I want to do dual booting |
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| 17:46.33 | acu | depends what kind of change you induce - shrinking may take 30 minutes or more rly |
| 17:46.43 | rly | acu: there is 10 MB of unused space. |
| 17:46.51 | rly | acu: and that's the only place I can move it over. |
| 17:47.00 | rly | acu: on the actual FS there is plenty of space left. |
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| 17:47.06 | acu | rly: first you should perhaps defrag your ntfs partition in witndows |
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| 17:47.31 | Agiofws | ok thanks my system seems more responsive now ... i don't know if upgrading had to do with this though |
| 17:47.45 | rly | acu: why doesn't it say that then? |
| 17:48.03 | rly | acu: 'the precondition to use operation X is condition P' |
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| 17:48.34 | acu | rly: what exactly do you want to accomplish ? _ first if I would do it in windows if this is a dual machine - before shrinking I would delete all garbage etc - defragment then shrink the partition |
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| 17:49.31 | acu | rly: I do not understand that precondition statement: |
| 17:49.34 | dotcom | howto hardening debian server |
| 17:49.38 | baccenfutter | I've just recently happened to have found an antique x40 and installed debian on it. I'm not going to need and desktop environment and will just work in tty. however, my tty is like centered in the middle of the screen. how do I get it to scale over the entire screen? framebuffer? where do I start and what are my search terms? |
| 17:49.40 | Agiofws | thank you themill |
| 17:49.42 | rly | acu: I want to be able to backup to an external harddisk. |
| 17:49.57 | rly | acu: I found out that NTFS basically doesn't work for that purpose. |
| 17:50.02 | baccenfutter | s/and desktop/any destop/ |
| 17:50.20 | acu | rly: what exactly do you want to backup - and what do you shrink ? |
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| 17:50.50 | rly | acu: so, I want to shrink the fs, shrink the partition, add a new EXT3 partition and try the backup solution again. |
| 17:51.01 | acu | rly: how big is your hard disk |
| 17:51.07 | rly | acu: 3TB |
| 17:51.29 | rly | acu: I don't care about waiting 30 minutes. |
| 17:51.32 | acu | you know what my first word came out when I see 3TB ? |
| 17:51.53 | rly | acu: 3? |
| 17:51.55 | rly | :) |
| 17:51.57 | acu | how much free space do you have in that 3TB ? |
| 17:52.06 | rly | acu: 2.0 TB. |
| 17:52.29 | rly | acu: but it is actually 10MB because the partition uses all the space. |
| 17:52.37 | rly | acu: it is just that FS doesn't. |
| 17:52.41 | acu | OK, to shrink a 3 TB to lets say 1.5 TB it would take even 2 hours |
| 17:52.51 | rly | acu: I do not care one bit about that. |
| 17:52.55 | rly | acu: I want it to work. |
| 17:53.41 | acu | rly: I did it many times and it works - however, I would backup your 1 TB of data before shrinking the 3 TB ntfs partition |
| 17:54.16 | rly | acu: so, how exactly? Some Ubuntu article claims I don't need to defrag anything. |
| 17:54.18 | jelly-home | shrinking may have unfortunate effects on health of the shrunk filesystem |
| 17:54.28 | acu | in any case, there is NO INDICATION OF PROGRESS once you start srinking with GPARTED - it may take SEVERAL HOURS, and it just look FROZEN - but IS NOT rly |
| 17:55.05 | acu | rly: if you do it from GPARTED you do not need to defragment - if you do it from Windows - it makes a differentce |
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| 17:57.10 | rly | acu: but gparted cannot shrink the actual file system? |
| 17:57.43 | rly | acu: or at least, the version in Squeeze doesn't show that it can do that. |
| 17:57.48 | acu | rly: it can |
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| 17:58.08 | rly | acu: so, how? I am only able to move it by 10MB. |
| 17:58.08 | acu | rly: it will shrink it - but it takes few hours for a 3 TB hdd |
| 17:58.15 | rly | acu: it won't let me do anything else but that. |
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| 17:59.26 | jelly-home | rly: you could try to shrink the filesystem and partition using native tools (diskpart.exe) if gparted fails |
| 18:00.15 | jelly-home | rly: also, use the very latest gparted livecd/liveusb image if possible |
| 18:00.28 | acu | do not know that - I know windows considers some files "UNMOVABLE" and it forces you to have a partition which includes those unmovable - of course, you cannot shrink a hard disk to a smaller size than its actual content (I always let at least 10% more than data) - because this is not compression is shrinking - |
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| 18:02.06 | baccenfutter | howcome squeeze 32bit completely is ignoreing any vga=### boot params? |
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| 18:07.25 | baccenfutter | anybody? |
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| 18:09.36 | gr8 | is there no aircrack-ng package in squeeze? |
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| 18:11.54 | rozie | gr8: package or program? ;) |
| 18:12.09 | demonkeeper | !aircrack-ng |
| 18:12.10 | dpkg | aircrack-ng is a suite of <WEP> and <WPA> cracking utilities forked from aircrack. Not part of the Squeeze release due to Debian bug #605519, removed from Debian to resolve bug #642934. http://aircrack-ng.org/doku?id=faq http://aircrack-ng.org/ #aircack-ng on irc.freenode.net. See also <pyrit>, <weplab>. |
| 18:13.16 | gr8 | thanks |
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| 18:16.23 | Miesco_ | Whats the debian way of getting the latest kernel? |
| 18:16.37 | Miesco_ | Vanilla, I want to write modules |
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| 18:19.25 | FGH`Halidith | yo, whats the command to remove a dir with subdirs that are not empty |
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| 18:20.03 | demonkeeper | Miesco_: make-kpkg |
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| 18:28.35 | Asgard_ | hi |
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| 18:28.40 | Asgard_ | anyone ? |
| 18:29.24 | acu | rly: Asgard_ just ask your question - yes - there are 1210 people here |
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| 18:29.52 | Asgard_ | thnks |
| 18:30.30 | Asgard_ | i have problems with acceleration on intel |
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| 18:30.52 | Asgard_ | i think i already install te drivers |
| 18:31.05 | TechDesk | Buy AM |
| 18:31.06 | TechDesk | D |
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| 18:31.33 | Asgard_ | also im installed compiz but i can't connfigure the effects |
| 18:31.46 | acu | !question |
| 18:32.04 | acu | we should have a bot, so it tells people how to question |
| 18:32.13 | acu | !questions |
| 18:32.13 | dpkg | remember, there are no stupid questions, just stupid people. <http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html> |
| 18:32.19 | Asgard_ | you should |
| 18:32.43 | gimpy941 | There are stupid questions. What color is Tuesday? |
| 18:33.25 | acu | Asgard_, you have to tell what OS version you are using, what hardware *CPU etc - what do you try to accomplish, where are you stuck, and what precisely you want to be help with |
| 18:33.53 | acu | gimpy941, for me Tuesday is orange(ish) |
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| 18:34.01 | acu | perhaps yellow |
| 18:34.47 | Asgard_ | sorry my native lenguage is not english im already find the support channel in spanish |
| 18:34.57 | demonkeeper | !es |
| 18:34.58 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 18:35.10 | Asgard_ | sorry for the inconvinience bye |
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| 18:41.13 | nsadmin | acu, one problem arises if a bot that might exist has been programmed with hurtful responses... coulnd't possibly happen here, right? |
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| 18:44.05 | acu | nsadmin: it is a bit cryptic what you say in there, but we have to watch and correct hurtful and agresive responses |
| 18:44.29 | acu | but it is essential to teach people how to ask, so they can be helped fast |
| 18:45.24 | acu | I agree that many newbies feel uncomfortable coming and asking questions |
| 18:47.44 | acu | nsadmin: the link dpkg gave is cool, but that stupid people insertion is not necessary |
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| 18:50.09 | TechDesk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=TXP7oLy0cOY |
| 18:50.19 | nsadmin | acu at minimum, yes; agreed |
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| 18:51.40 | Iridos | acu, there's <ask> and also <sicco>... and probably half a dozen more |
| 18:52.31 | Iridos | oh yeah... and of course <smart questions> |
| 18:52.54 | acu | !smart questions |
| 18:52.54 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>. |
| 18:53.10 | acu | !ask |
| 18:53.11 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:53.38 | Iridos | there's also <msg the bot> :P |
| 18:53.43 | acu | lol |
| 18:54.43 | jelly-home | !qotd0 |
| 18:54.43 | dpkg | <kbrooks> i'm taking debian and making a distro out of it |
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| 18:55.50 | Iridos | bloody good idea |
| 18:57.33 | acu | thanks Iridos, that is good, almost all newbies need to be told that they are welcome, and how to ask questions - I think those you point out are sufficient, but could be improve by example (I found it in one of the lin - STUPID question: HELP! Video doesn't work properly on my laptop! SMART QUESTION: X.org 6.8.1 misshapen mouse cursor, Fooware MV1005 vid. chipset SMARTER: X.org 6.8.1 mouse cursor on Fooware MV1005 vid. chipset - |
| 18:57.33 | acu | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.37 | acu | !sicco |
| 18:58.37 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
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| 19:00.51 | Iridos | as I said... we got lots of factoids in that direction.. feel free to add your own :P |
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| 19:12.37 | jhutchins | acu: At some point you just need to have the factoid point at a wiki page. |
| 19:14.39 | nsadmin | you could have a default rule, when you !fooba, point at http://wiki.site/pages/fooba |
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| 19:15.20 | nsadmin | if that page exists, otherwise nothing |
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| 19:31.33 | rego | hi, I'm trying to upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy, but I'm having problems with the following issue: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=645713 |
| 19:31.44 | rego | any help is welcomed |
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| 19:33.08 | nsadmin | rego, first, describe exactly what's happening to you in this case specifically |
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| 19:33.46 | rego | while running dist-upgrade, it's stopped and I get the following error: |
| 19:33.51 | rego | E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'libgstreamer0.10-0'. |
| 19:33.51 | rego | Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. |
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| 19:36.33 | ck01 | Hello. Is there a way to install all missing packages that aptitude recommended in the past? |
| 19:36.54 | nsadmin | if you have saved that list, sure |
| 19:37.30 | nsadmin | there is a log file. having said that, I don't know what it contains, so not sure if it saves recommendations |
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| 19:37.59 | nsadmin | what -might- be better, is if you were to install things you directly -want- |
| 19:38.31 | nsadmin | do you have a nice fast/fat internet connection? |
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| 19:40.24 | rego | nsadmin, I'm getting the following error during dist-upgrade: |
| 19:40.25 | rego | E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'libgstreamer0.10-0'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. |
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| 19:42.04 | nsadmin | one reason it might not be possible to immediately configure a particular package, is that there are packages required for the configuration process for that package which are not installed |
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| 19:42.52 | nsadmin | but |
| 19:43.03 | Doomground | installed proftp, configured /etc/pam.d/ftp file as told here http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/doc/README.PAM.html, uncommented PAM auth line in proftpd.conf but i'm still unable to login with user created with "useradd" |
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| 19:43.17 | nsadmin | if that is the case, the package should "predepend" on those packages |
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| 19:43.55 | rego | I guess that, but it seems that something is not configured properly |
| 19:44.39 | Doomground | using proftpd -n -d5 shows me that the user is found but the password is incorrect (is not actually) |
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| 19:46.48 | nsadmin | rego, coud you try... aptitude install pastebinit |
| 19:47.18 | rego | ok, let me try |
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| 19:50.45 | SmOker | hi |
| 19:50.46 | nsadmin | Doomground, hmm... in the past, most ftpds would use /etc/passwd and friends |
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| 19:51.17 | Doomground | the user is there @ /etc/passwd |
| 19:51.18 | nsadmin | rego, worked? |
| 19:52.18 | nsadmin | Doomground, if you su - <thatuser> (not as root), does the password work? |
| 19:52.30 | ck01 | @nsadmin: i've already tried this: aptitude show ~i | grep '^Recommends' | cut -d ' ' -f 2- |
| 19:52.32 | Doomground | will try |
| 19:52.42 | askhl_ | Hi. I recently installed Debian squeeze but am used to Ubuntu. I notice there are no updates so far. Is this just because there are very few updates in squeeze, or should I suspect that something isn't quite set up correctly? I included 'deb http://ftp.dk.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main' in /etc/apt/sources.list . |
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| 19:53.16 | ck01 | but that gives me also things like: (>= 0.5.1) etc |
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| 19:53.53 | dvs | askhl_: You need the security site as well. |
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| 19:54.18 | rego | nsadmin, sorry but I'm in the middle of the dist-upgrade (as I've broken my system with lots of test the first time I get the problem) |
| 19:54.29 | rego | I'll try it ASAP (I guess around 15min) |
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| 19:54.37 | askhl_ | deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main <-- this one, dvs? |
| 19:54.51 | dvs | yes |
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| 19:55.26 | Doomground | na nsadmin, i cannot login with the user to the shell |
| 19:55.40 | Doomground | huh... del the user and try again? |
| 19:55.42 | nsadmin | rego, oh, so the dist-upgrade is not terminated? |
| 19:56.28 | askhl_ | dvs, thank you. There were quite a few by now, so hopefully |
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| 19:56.42 | askhl_ | *hopefully the computer isn't infected by 17 viruses :) |
| 19:56.48 | rego | before I joined the channel, it terminated and I got this problem for the first time. I tried lots of strange things in order to fix it and I broke my system, so I'm starting again and trying to find some help here ;) |
| 19:56.51 | nsadmin | Doomground, sounds like a plan... and, do you have the original pam configs so you could restore them? |
| 19:56.58 | Doomground | "useradd tere -p tere -d /var/www/ -s /bin/false" |
| 19:57.03 | Doomground | still can't login with em |
| 19:57.16 | Doomground | the pam didn't have the ftp file in pam.d by default, i created it |
| 19:57.31 | Doomground | didn't change anything else in pam |
| 19:57.32 | nsadmin | oh, /bin/false |
| 19:57.40 | nsadmin | that's why you can't log in via shell |
| 19:57.49 | Doomground | nah, the other user had valid shell |
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| 19:58.11 | Doomground | this is the new one i created just now to try again |
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| 19:58.29 | nsadmin | take a look in your /etc/shadow |
| 19:58.34 | nsadmin | look for tere |
| 19:58.43 | nsadmin | do you see "tere" in the second field? |
| 19:58.59 | nsadmin | like, tere:tere:... |
| 19:59.01 | Doomground | yeah |
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| 19:59.06 | Doomground | last line inserted |
| 19:59.09 | nsadmin | ok, so: |
| 19:59.09 | Doomground | tere:tere |
| 19:59.25 | nsadmin | useradd ... -p foo ... |
| 19:59.45 | nsadmin | will insert "foo" in the password field WITHOUT encrypting it |
| 19:59.52 | nsadmin | so |
| 19:59.57 | Doomground | i need to encrypt it... |
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| 20:00.10 | nsadmin | well yes, but let's test: |
| 20:00.36 | nsadmin | useradd ... tere (everything exceot -p tere) |
| 20:00.41 | nsadmin | passwd tere |
| 20:00.45 | nsadmin | follow prompts |
| 20:01.05 | nsadmin | then try su - tere (not as root) |
| 20:01.15 | Doomground | bah |
| 20:01.19 | Doomground | used /bin/false again |
| 20:01.20 | Doomground | lol |
| 20:01.43 | nsadmin | usermod -s /bin/someshell tere |
| 20:02.05 | nsadmin | where /bin/someshell in /etc/shells |
| 20:02.08 | Doomground | login successful |
| 20:02.25 | nsadmin | ok, try ftp localhost |
| 20:02.48 | Doomground | 530 Login incorrect. |
| 20:02.48 | Doomground | Login failed. |
| 20:03.19 | nsadmin | one thing the useradd seemed to miss was the home dir |
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| 20:03.31 | nsadmin | tere exists in /home? |
| 20:03.32 | Doomground | i added it with -d /var/www |
| 20:03.44 | nsadmin | ohh, which tere does not own |
| 20:04.09 | nsadmin | before we go there... |
| 20:04.27 | Doomground | i'm gonna write myself a script for the next useradd lol |
| 20:04.45 | nsadmin | look into newusers |
| 20:05.12 | nsadmin | if you need scripted user addings, it can be convenient |
| 20:05.38 | Doomground | (22:14:33) <nsadmin> look into newusers => where what? |
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| 20:05.49 | nsadmin | start with man newusers |
| 20:05.55 | nsadmin | see if it's something you can use |
| 20:06.34 | Doomground | ah that's for scripting i see |
| 20:06.52 | nsadmin | yeah, it's also for mass adds |
| 20:07.02 | Doomground | alright, but back to "tere" |
| 20:07.11 | Doomground | i need him to own the /var/www to be able to login there? |
| 20:07.50 | nsadmin | let's test that |
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| 20:08.07 | nsadmin | first, try adding user in normal way: adduser tere2 |
| 20:08.24 | nsadmin | follow prompts, suggested passwd tere2 |
| 20:08.48 | nsadmin | then try ftp localhost |
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| 20:09.09 | nsadmin | if that works for tere2, it's time to look at proftpd's log to see what it thinks happened |
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| 20:09.52 | Doomground | Name (localhost:tere2): tere2 |
| 20:09.52 | Doomground | 331 Password required for tere2 |
| 20:09.52 | Doomground | Password: |
| 20:09.52 | Doomground | 530 Login incorrect. |
| 20:09.52 | Doomground | Login failed. |
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| 20:10.03 | Doomground | right... sorry |
| 20:10.03 | Doomground | lol |
| 20:10.09 | dvs | He was really logged out! |
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| 20:10.14 | Doomground | did you get the lines tho? |
| 20:10.22 | nsadmin | hmm. still time to check proftpd logs |
| 20:11.32 | nsadmin | see if they're in /var/log |
| 20:11.45 | nsadmin | maybe you can't read them as nonroot |
| 20:11.47 | Doomground | yeah they are in /var/log/proftpd/proftpd.log |
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| 20:12.00 | nsadmin | take a look |
| 20:12.31 | Doomground | USER tere: user is not a UserAlias from localhost |
| 20:12.35 | Doomground | that might be it |
| 20:12.48 | nsadmin | ahh, and tere2? |
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| 20:12.51 | Doomground | same line |
| 20:12.55 | Doomground | different name tho |
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| 20:13.27 | nsadmin | gotcha... so, investigate that, and how you would do the useralias thing |
| 20:13.31 | Doomground | turned AuthAliasOnly off |
| 20:13.39 | Doomground | restarting proftpd, trying again |
| 20:13.46 | nsadmin | oh, good enuf |
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| 20:14.18 | Doomground | 230 User tere2 logged in |
| 20:14.20 | Doomground | :) |
| 20:14.30 | Doomground | probably it was the password encryption + authaliasonly |
| 20:14.59 | nsadmin | that sounds right |
| 20:15.45 | Doomground | how do i force logout a user with root? |
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| 20:16.15 | nsadmin | kill process owned by that user |
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| 20:17.47 | SillyTalker | debian won't allow me to set a simple pasword, is there any way to disdable this feature? |
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| 20:17.57 | Doomground | don't set a simple password |
| 20:18.02 | trist4n | thats cracklib isnt it. |
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| 20:18.10 | SillyTalker | its not my machine |
| 20:18.24 | SillyTalker | its for people that just surf, and dont care.... |
| 20:18.28 | Doomground | nsadmin, shell doesn't have to be valid for FTP login, has it? |
| 20:18.36 | SillyTalker | also i believe in choice |
| 20:18.38 | SillyTalker | not obligation |
| 20:19.20 | nsadmin | SillyTalker, so you're pro-choice? |
| 20:19.36 | Doomground | hmm |
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| 20:19.41 | Doomground | seems it has to be valid |
| 20:19.42 | Doomground | strange |
| 20:20.06 | nsadmin | that could be configurable |
| 20:20.09 | nsadmin | try /bin/true |
| 20:20.24 | Doomground | i did put /bin/null and set it under /etc/shells |
| 20:20.30 | Doomground | worked, login to ftp successful |
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| 20:20.46 | nsadmin | is there a /bin/null? |
| 20:20.57 | Doomground | nvm, fixed it |
| 20:21.00 | nsadmin | doesn't matter for your case, still curious |
| 20:21.06 | Doomground | turned "RequireValidShell off" in proftpd config |
| 20:21.16 | Doomground | it was commented out by default |
| 20:22.00 | nsadmin | cool :) so, I was sneaky here... |
| 20:22.33 | nsadmin | I made sure to include examples of exploration so that you could see you can be comfortable |
| 20:22.33 | Doomground | huh |
| 20:22.35 | nsadmin | however |
| 20:22.51 | Doomground | so theres a working ftp user |
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| 20:23.52 | Doomground | i think i should switch to lighthttp |
| 20:23.53 | Doomground | from apache2 |
| 20:23.54 | nsadmin | please make sure that when you alter config files you make copies of them |
| 20:24.16 | Doomground | i got the default one... somewhere names proftpd.conf.def |
| 20:24.19 | SillyTalker | nsadmin, i already explained, yes |
| 20:24.19 | Doomground | or smthing like that |
| 20:24.25 | Doomground | named* |
| 20:24.39 | nsadmin | I think the ftp user is for whichever ftpd you use |
| 20:24.51 | nsadmin | wait, that';s not right |
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| 20:25.03 | nsadmin | ftp is the same as anonymous |
| 20:25.07 | sdubois | Is there an ISO for Wheezy? |
| 20:26.14 | nsadmin | sdubois, http://www.google.com/search?q=Is+there+an+ISO+for+Wheezy%3F&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 20:26.26 | rego | nsadmin, now everything worked right :/ |
| 20:26.29 | rego | sorry for the noise |
| 20:26.41 | rego | but I tried it lots of times this weekend and past weekend |
| 20:26.41 | nsadmin | rego, excellent :) |
| 20:26.58 | rego | the only difference this time was: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:27.06 | rego | other times: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 20:27.30 | rego | I didn't know that "apt-get upgrade" in the middle could cause so many problems |
| 20:27.49 | rego | nsadmin, anyway thank you very much for your help ;-) |
| 20:27.56 | nsadmin | welcome |
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| 20:29.58 | Some_Person | I have a page open in Chrome that I want to save the source of, but the page has changed since I opened it. How can I get the source? |
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| 20:30.58 | SillyTalker | pfffffff |
| 20:31.07 | SillyTalker | i deleted the top gnome-panel... |
| 20:31.13 | SillyTalker | now i cannot add nm-applet again |
| 20:31.14 | SillyTalker | :s |
| 20:31.28 | D1EG0 | hi to all, somebody can help me to configure a usb webcam |
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| 20:31.43 | D1EG0 | ? |
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| 20:32.06 | SillyTalker | its all made to be as hard as possible |
| 20:32.21 | nkuttler | Some_Person: view source gives you the original version |
| 20:32.25 | SillyTalker | you have to do it all once, then again, then the third time you got a small chance of succeeding |
| 20:32.39 | Some_Person | nkuttler: No, it's clearly giving me the new version |
| 20:32.48 | nkuttler | !tell SillyTalker about doesn't work |
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| 20:32.53 | nkuttler | Some_Person: did you reload the page? |
| 20:33.02 | Some_Person | nkuttler: Not in this window |
| 20:33.32 | nkuttler | Some_Person: no idea then. ctrl-u works like this for me |
| 20:33.37 | SillyTalker | !tell nkuttler about scrolling up |
| 20:33.46 | nkuttler | !tell SillyTalker about errors |
| 20:34.00 | SillyTalker | !tell nkuttler about scrolling up |
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| 20:34.18 | SillyTalker | <SillyTalker> i deleted the top gnome-panel... |
| 20:34.18 | SillyTalker | <SillyTalker> now i cannot add nm-applet again |
| 20:34.22 | SillyTalker | i dunno how to be more specific |
| 20:34.26 | SillyTalker | please tell him that, bot |
| 20:34.27 | nkuttler | SillyTalker: i see you don't want help. go to #debian-offtopic if you're just bitching around |
| 20:34.33 | aibo_ | hello, I rebuild my kernel and getting "dev disk by-uuid does not exist" error... Did I configured something wrong? |
| 20:34.36 | SillyTalker | (since apperantly its not allowed here to speak directly to eachother) |
| 20:34.59 | SillyTalker | nkuttler, not from people that won't read my question, no |
| 20:35.27 | nkuttler | SillyTalker: "i deleted the top gnome-panel" doesn't mean anything. "now i cannot add nm-applet again" is useless and means nothing specific either |
| 20:36.27 | SillyTalker | nkuttler, i have this laptop, this laptop has an LCD, containing lots of pixels |
| 20:36.43 | SillyTalker | these "pixels" are square, and form an image |
| 20:36.57 | nkuttler | SillyTalker: oh i see. it sounds like you want gnome support. http://live.gnome.org/GnomeIrcChannels |
| 20:37.12 | nkuttler | or /msg dpkg gnome |
| 20:37.20 | SillyTalker | thanks will do |
| 20:37.51 | D1EG0 | somebody can help me with my usb webcam configuration? |
| 20:38.48 | cahoot | shouldn't be much to configure |
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| 20:39.16 | cahoot | (if you have a supported cam) |
| 20:39.25 | nsadmin | D1EG0, first, collect actual information. In presenting it, some assistance: /msg dpkg ask, /msg dpkg sicco |
| 20:39.31 | D1EG0 | ok ok |
| 20:39.35 | joh1 | howdy |
| 20:39.40 | D1EG0 | I have solved by myself |
| 20:39.43 | D1EG0 | thanks |
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| 20:40.05 | D1EG0 | I've installed gscp-something module |
| 20:40.06 | joh1 | test |
| 20:40.16 | D1EG0 | and now work |
| 20:40.16 | nsadmin | cahoot, how can I find out if a webcam built into my dell inspiron, umm, 15R is supported? |
| 20:40.23 | joh1 | am i in the right place? |
| 20:40.32 | nsadmin | left place. |
| 20:40.34 | cahoot | nsadmin, the usbId |
| 20:40.41 | joh1 | lol |
| 20:40.44 | nkuttler | nsadmin: try a tool like camorama. |
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| 20:41.03 | nkuttler | your camera can be 'supported' but still not work |
| 20:41.08 | nsadmin | Bus 003 Device 002: ID 0c45:641d Microdia 1.3 MPixel Integrated Webcam |
| 20:41.30 | nsadmin | ok, noted... what can I do with the usbid? |
| 20:41.30 | cahoot | ;usbid 0c45:641d |
| 20:41.38 | cahoot | ,usbid 0c45:641d |
| 20:41.58 | nsadmin | well let's see... |
| 20:42.08 | nsadmin | , pciid 0c45:641d |
| 20:42.10 | judd | [0c45:641d] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=0c45:641d |
| 20:42.20 | nsadmin | knew that might not work |
| 20:42.48 | nsadmin | ok, great start. thanks :) |
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| 20:46.17 | aibo_ | who can help with /dev/disk/by-uuid? I don't have these files after kernel recompiling... Did I switched off something in my kernel .config? |
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| 20:48.32 | jsoft_ | Whats a gizmo to take screenshots? |
| 20:48.37 | webad_13 | probably the answer to this will be man cp :), but here it is anyway. I'd like to copy a file and create directories if they do not exist using cp. Is this possible or I have to mkdir -p first? |
| 20:48.41 | nsadmin | aibo, if you used make-kpkg to build, the config file is in /boot |
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| 20:49.40 | aibo_ | nsadmin, and? I don't have /dev/disk/by-uuid directory at all while my kernel being loaded... I have these uuids, it's correct, I've checked |
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| 20:50.09 | joh1 | hello everyone |
| 20:50.41 | crosswalk | This exercise tells me to switch to /etc/rc.d | /etc/init.d | /etc/runlevels appropriate for my runlevel. Anyone idea what this could mean? I know my inittab contains my default runlevel |
| 20:51.44 | crosswalk | The content I've covered so far is about the file structure within the system along with various bash commands. |
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| 20:52.34 | joh1 | be well |
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| 20:52.42 | nsadmin | bwell |
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| 20:54.17 | aibo | nsadmin, i think something wrong with devfs... what can it be? |
| 20:55.52 | nsadmin | maybe kernel is missing support for that |
| 20:55.59 | woshty | are there php5.4 packages somewhere for squeeze? |
| 20:56.02 | nsadmin | read the config file to see |
| 20:57.31 | nsadmin | once and for all, someone should put scheme as a web app language |
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| 21:00.23 | crosswalk | Figured it out. My default run level is 2 so /etc/rc2.d is where I need to be. |
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| 21:05.02 | barxool | Hi. How can i make a USB bootable key with debian 6.0.3 ia64 CD1 on it ? I don't want netinstall. I tried unetbootin (doesn't work) and dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb (doesn't work either). |
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| 21:05.28 | barxool | the .iso file has the right md5sum |
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| 21:06.37 | zykotick9 | barxool: do you really have an itanium processor? |
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| 21:08.03 | barxool | zykotick9> I'm so fuckin stupid ! I mixed up amd64 and ia64 .............. thanks. I'll try again with the correct .iso :D |
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| 21:11.24 | chasing`Sol | hi folks, i am trying to install xen pv for debian squeeze from a locally mounted netboot iso image, but i don't know which folder should i use to put in the --location, and help? |
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| 21:17.31 | Vespakoen | Hey guys, i have a couple of servers in a network (somewhere else, not in my network), and i want to connect to one of them that isnt accessible from the outside world, but there is 1 server that has an open port for ssh, now, i would like to mount a folder of the server that can only be accessed via the other server, and would like to do this via sshfs |
| 21:17.38 | Vespakoen | Can anyone tell me how i could do this? |
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| 21:18.06 | Vespakoen | would i moun a folder, that is actually a mounted folder from the pc i want to reach ? |
| 21:18.42 | nkuttler | Vespakoen: ssh -R should work |
| 21:18.43 | valerius | ppl, can anybody help me? I started the debian squeeze install on my 640 GB WD SATA disk (with physical sectors by 4096 bytes) It is already partitioned -- I installed Debian Lenny before that, and it worked. Now I reinstall and squeeze doesn't see any partitions. The only options available in installer are "Automatic partitioning" and "Manual" with MBR clearing. I need only set up the mountpoints. The partitions are formatted already" |
| 21:18.49 | Vespakoen | that is ? |
| 21:18.56 | Vespakoen | ill check it out, sorry, thanks mate! |
| 21:19.08 | nkuttler | Vespakoen: or -L maybe.. always confuse both |
| 21:19.52 | Vespakoen | i see, but that would mean, i will have to "add" a port right ? |
| 21:20.28 | Vespakoen | i mean, say i have 2222 open on the box where i can connect to at the moment, i would have to make, lets say 2223 open, that will actually be a binding to the other pc in the network right ? |
| 21:20.36 | nkuttler | Vespakoen: well you'll want to forward 22 to something else |
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| 21:20.59 | Nikyo | Just wanted to stop in, and wish everyone a great upcoming holiday(s) :-) |
| 21:21.04 | Vespakoen | i would like to have it all be handled by the same port |
| 21:21.07 | nkuttler | Vespakoen: no, that should be tunneled. you just need port one port to the box you want to connect to |
| 21:21.17 | nkuttler | Vespakoen: and that box has to be able to connect to the third |
| 21:21.29 | Vespakoen | but i also want to be able to connect to the box that is available at the moment =P |
| 21:21.50 | nkuttler | Vespakoen: no problem there |
| 21:21.53 | valerius | fdisk sees the partitions, but it says that they are not on cylinder boundaries. I partitioned them in windoze7, because it is alignment-aware. Yes, they are aligned at 4096 byte-boundaries |
| 21:21.58 | Vespakoen | i see... |
| 21:22.17 | Vespakoen | ill go through the ssh man page and see if it clears things up for me =P |
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| 21:24.00 | Nikyo | Just wanted to stop in, and wish everyone a great upcoming holiday(s) :-) Thanks to all that supprt Linux over the years. May 2012 be better than ever! |
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| 21:26.08 | Vespakoen | so i read: "and whenever a connection is made to this port, the connection is forwarded over the secure channel, and a connection is made to host port hostport from the local machine." that would mean when, setting this bind_address up, and reconnecting, would lead me to the "box that i cant conenct to at the moment" but i will never be able to connect to the "box that i can connect to at the moment" again ? |
| 21:26.44 | nkuttler | Vespakoen: just try it |
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| 21:28.03 | Vespakoen | scared, but will try =P |
| 21:28.18 | Vespakoen | if i fail i will have to drive 300km to plug my laptop into the datacenter machine =P |
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| 21:29.09 | valerius | ppl, does anybody know if it possible to manually setup the mount points in Debian installer? |
| 21:29.47 | nkuttler | Vespakoen: actually, -L. you want to forward the local port to the third box so that you can sshfs to it |
| 21:30.34 | nkuttler | Vespakoen: so ssh -L 999:thirdbox:22 and sshfs to localhost on port 999 |
| 21:30.43 | nkuttler | well... iirc at least |
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| 21:30.55 | Vespakoen | ok, so my machine is box1, the one i can connect to is box2, and the one that is connectable via box2 is box3, just to make it a little easier =P |
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| 21:31.14 | nkuttler | ssl -L 999:box3:22 box2 |
| 21:31.15 | Vespakoen | well, the problem is, i cant open ports in the router |
| 21:31.35 | Vespakoen | so i can only use the port that is available to me at the moment, wich is 2222, and goes to box2 |
| 21:31.36 | nkuttler | Vespakoen: you don't have to. that's the whole point |
| 21:31.42 | Vespakoen | ahhhh |
| 21:31.44 | Vespakoen | indeed |
| 21:31.49 | Vespakoen | ofcourse! |
| 21:31.53 | Vespakoen | stupid me |
| 21:32.05 | nkuttler | ssl -L 999:box3:22 box2 -p 2222 |
| 21:32.11 | Vespakoen | ssl = ssh ? |
| 21:32.14 | nkuttler | yeah |
| 21:32.18 | Vespakoen | ok |
| 21:32.37 | Vespakoen | lets see |
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| 21:35.05 | nkuttler | Vespakoen: btw look into sshfs -o reconnect -o workaround=all. not sure if that works with tunneled connections but i don't see why not |
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| 21:35.34 | Vespakoen | what is the 999: for ? |
| 21:35.43 | Vespakoen | i am still a little confused hehe |
| 21:38.27 | nsadmin | is there a way to have all kde-generated/managed sounds go to jack? |
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| 21:40.42 | unreal-dude | sshfs similar to curlftpfs but uses ssh instead? |
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| 21:41.58 | Vespakoen | http://www.linuxhorizon.ro/ssh-tunnel.html this will help me out =) |
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| 21:42.38 | hamid_rostami | Hi all, I have a problem to connecting ft.uk.debian.org with apt-get |
| 21:42.47 | D1EG0 | ft? |
| 21:43.00 | hamid_rostami | for example, I can download this link with iceweasel: http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/Release.gpg |
| 21:43.15 | D1EG0 | try ftp instead |
| 21:43.18 | hamid_rostami | but apt-get update give me this error: W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/Release.gpg Could not connect to ftp.uk.debian.org:80 (83.142.228.128) |
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| 21:44.08 | nkuttler | hamid_rostami: use a different mirror |
| 21:44.13 | nkuttler | unreal-dude: all fuse |
| 21:44.26 | hamid_rostami | nkuttler: what this happening ? |
| 21:44.33 | D1EG0 | hamid_rostami: ping that url |
| 21:44.41 | nsadmin | purl? |
| 21:44.49 | hamid_rostami | bvs: I have ping to this url |
| 21:44.52 | D1EG0 | sorry |
| 21:44.53 | hamid_rostami | D1EG0: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/522713/ |
| 21:44.57 | D1EG0 | server |
| 21:44.58 | D1EG0 | :D |
| 21:45.00 | nsadmin | pang that thang! |
| 21:45.23 | nkuttler | hamid_rostami: mirrors can go down or be broken. nothing special |
| 21:45.52 | hamid_rostami | nkuttler: Ok, so i try another mirrors, tnx |
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| 21:48.18 | hamid_rostami | nkuttler: but, why iceweael can download from that server ? |
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| 21:52.11 | D1EG0 | because iceweasel has super cow powers |
| 21:52.27 | hamid_rostami | D1EG0: lol |
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| 22:02.33 | An_Ony_Moose | I borked everything. http://paste.pocoo.org/show/522717/ can anyone explain this or help? |
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| 22:06.56 | julianoliver | is this an appropriate channel for a fetchmail question (server is 64bit Lenny) |
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| 22:07.15 | julianoliver | #fetchmail doesn't seem official and has just two members. |
| 22:07.40 | nkuttler | julianoliver: try here first. there's also ##linux |
| 22:08.14 | unreal-dude | lol |
| 22:08.27 | julianoliver | nkuttler: ok, thanks |
| 22:08.34 | unreal-dude | apparently #debian> ##linux |
| 22:08.42 | nkuttler | !lol |
| 22:08.42 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 22:08.50 | nkuttler | unreal-dude: it could be a packaging problem for all we know |
| 22:09.08 | unreal-dude | true |
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| 22:09.34 | unreal-dude | AOL o.O i dont even know anybody who used that |
| 22:09.46 | An_Ony_Moose | anybody? I'd really like to get my system running normally again... http://paste.pocoo.org/show/522717/ |
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| 22:10.17 | nkuttler | An_Ony_Moose: well one of the two files/directories doesn't exist.. looks like /mnt/ |
| 22:10.50 | cthuluh | or mount tries to exec a helper that doesn't exist |
| 22:11.00 | julianoliver | i have successfully set up postfix on my new server, mail can be sent and received via the server. on my laptop i would like to have copies of the mail on the server. in my ~/.fetchmailrc i am calling the server as follows (fake url) 'poll mysite.com with protocol IMAP' and 'user me there with password xxxxxx is me here keep'. there's mail on the server but none's coming down. |
| 22:11.17 | julianoliver | here's a pastebin of the mail.log (all ips/domains masked) http://pastebin.com/Ghb4e4q5 |
| 22:11.30 | An_Ony_Moose | nkuttler: no, I explicitly created /mnt; I just tried removing it and then doing ls /mnt again, and ls complained about no such file or directory |
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| 22:13.49 | nkuttler | julianoliver: well No mail for aname at anamefoo.com.. |
| 22:14.13 | nkuttler | julianoliver: wasn't even aware postfix does imap as well. maybe try #postfix then |
| 22:14.23 | cthuluh | it doesn't |
| 22:14.27 | julianoliver | nkuttler: but there is plenty of mail there.. in /home/myname |
| 22:14.41 | cthuluh | julianoliver: does the imap server know where to find the user's mail? |
| 22:14.44 | nkuttler | julianoliver: so what's providing imap on your box? |
| 22:15.07 | julianoliver | i thought it was courier.. |
| 22:15.22 | cthuluh | "thought"? 8) |
| 22:15.26 | julianoliver | hmm maybe this is the issue, indeed. looking at the log it's not being called. |
| 22:15.36 | cthuluh | sounds like a bad tutorial was followed |
| 22:15.37 | julianoliver | cthuluh: i know ;) i'm used to exim. |
| 22:15.53 | cthuluh | wait, does exim do imap now? 8) |
| 22:16.01 | nkuttler | julianoliver: exim/postfix really have nothing to do with this |
| 22:16.07 | julianoliver | ok |
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| 22:16.48 | julianoliver | cthuluh: no, exim doesn't on its own. also with courier.. |
| 22:16.54 | julianoliver | perhaps i will just go with pop3 |
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| 22:17.09 | MichelleZ | i've had a lot of joy with dovecot+postfix |
| 22:17.15 | cthuluh | pop3 sucks ; and I won't tell my opinion about courier |
| 22:17.20 | cthuluh | dovecot++ |
| 22:17.21 | julianoliver | MichelleZ: ok, good to know! |
| 22:17.22 | nkuttler | yeah, i also use dovecot |
| 22:17.31 | babilen | +1 |
| 22:17.36 | cthuluh | there you go |
| 22:17.37 | julianoliver | i know nothing about it.. /me greps around |
| 22:17.41 | MichelleZ | supports secure imap and pop3 |
| 22:18.02 | MichelleZ | can integrate with standard unix logins or LDAP |
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| 22:19.04 | julianoliver | MichelleZ: many thanks, i'm reading about it now.. |
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| 22:21.22 | cthuluh | (though properly setting up courier would only require minutes, now) |
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| 22:23.54 | hamid_rostami | nkuttler: thanks, it's work |
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| 22:34.39 | derric | I have my computer set up to use DHCP from my cable company. I would like to use the DNS servers of my choice. How do I set up my machine to do so? |
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| 22:35.22 | blip2 | derric: desktop/server? |
| 22:35.34 | derric | blip2: Desktop |
| 22:35.36 | cthuluh | derric: tell dhclient not to use the name server information sent by the dhcp server |
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| 22:35.59 | derric | cthuluh: OK, how: |
| 22:36.23 | cthuluh | !override dns |
| 22:36.24 | dpkg | To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf (/etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf on lenny), or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer. |
| 22:36.39 | Joelito | lastest xorg update makes my computer on boot: startpar service returned failure rc.local |
| 22:36.41 | Joelito | :( |
| 22:36.59 | crosswalk | Random thought: I didn't know Debian came packaged with sudo. I've been using su -c this whole time. |
| 22:37.23 | derric | Thanks cthuluh! |
| 22:37.32 | cthuluh | julianoliver: so what do you have in your rc.local? |
| 22:37.38 | cthuluh | err, Joelito ^ |
| 22:37.58 | cthuluh | crosswalk: it doesn't come with sudo "by default" |
| 22:38.14 | Joelito | cthuluh, I have my autologin -> su - joel -c "startx &/dev/null" |
| 22:38.15 | babilen | crosswalk: sudo is an important tool for system administration -- I would have been *really* surprised if it I couldn't find it in Debian :) |
| 22:38.23 | Joelito | oops |
| 22:38.30 | cthuluh | !nodm |
| 22:38.30 | Joelito | su - joel -c "startx &>/dev/null" |
| 22:38.30 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
| 22:39.51 | crosswalk | cthuluh: I must not remember installing it then. Is it part of a metapackage I'm not aware of? |
| 22:40.16 | cthuluh | aptitude why sudo |
| 22:40.23 | crosswalk | cthuluh: Got ya. |
| 22:41.23 | crosswalk | wicd-curses recommends sudo. |
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| 22:41.50 | crosswalk | Didn't even know aptitude had that option. Learning something new every day. Thanks cthuluh. |
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| 22:44.01 | Dev0n | is it not a good idea to shutdown the system while a luks encrypted partition is mounted ? will there be any corrupt data or w/e ? |
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| 22:45.37 | raven | which tools is useful to "draw" notes? |
| 22:45.56 | cthuluh | emacs + picture-mode |
| 22:46.10 | cthuluh | (and org-mode, to write notes, of course) |
| 22:46.29 | zerobyte | tomboy :p |
| 22:46.46 | cthuluh | mono attack detected |
| 22:47.14 | zerobyte | what's that? |
| 22:47.29 | cthuluh | Dev0n: I haven't used luks volumes for a while, but afaik it shouldn't be a problem |
| 22:47.39 | cthuluh | (searching my notes) |
| 22:48.03 | cthuluh | zerobyte: aren't you aware about the great tomboy/mono troll? |
| 22:48.21 | Dev0n | cool, thanks cthuluh |
| 22:48.27 | zerobyte | nop |
| 22:49.21 | cthuluh | well, $SEARCH_ENGINE will provide more input than I on this subject |
| 22:49.35 | crosswalk | babilen: From the way you put it, is it absolutely necessary to have sudo installed, or is the switch user command for performing root tasks enough? |
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| 22:54.35 | D1EG0 | bye to all |
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| 23:00.29 | babilen | crosswalk: It is by no means necessary (in particular on single-user machines) |
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| 23:25.49 | kaushal | Hi |
| 23:26.16 | kaushal | which text editor should i use all times and any specific reason ? |
| 23:26.23 | chalcedony | :) |
| 23:26.33 | chalcedony | i like vi(m) but nano and pico have fans |
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| 23:27.01 | Dev0n | +1 nano |
| 23:27.29 | brandFU | kaushal, try at least vi(m) and emacs and see which fits you best |
| 23:27.40 | babilen | kaushal: What are you planning to do with it? |
| 23:28.20 | chalcedony | i downloaded skype .deb it's in my home directory, dpkg: error processing skype-debian_2.2.0.35-1_amd64.deb (--install): cannot access archive: No such file or directory |
| 23:28.22 | babilen | But this is really better suited in #debian-offtopic as it is likely to become quite off-topic soonish. I would recommend vim and emacs. (emacs with evil) |
| 23:28.46 | kaushal | babilen: basically writing short bash scripts or editing any config files |
| 23:29.17 | chalcedony | trying to unpack it as root |
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| 23:31.29 | babilen | kaushal: vim is pefectly fine for that -- You might want to watch http://www.derekwyatt.org/vim/vim-tutorial-videos/vim-novice-tutorial-videos/ -- emacs is great too, but I rather use it for development in languages for which the language bindings are vastly superiour to those vim provided (and I use evil, which brings vim goodness to emacs) |
| 23:31.59 | kaushal | ok |
| 23:32.16 | kaushal | emacs with evil |
| 23:32.17 | babilen | chalcedony: You are quite likely not in the correct directory (i.e. the one in which the skype .deb is located) -- Either change your current working directory or specify an absolute path |
| 23:32.23 | kaushal | what does it mean ? |
| 23:32.41 | chalcedony | hmm thank you for reminding me kaushal |
| 23:33.41 | babilen | kaushal: https://gitorious.org/evil/pages/Home -- Try vim, it is mostly installed on most system you'll be working on. Start with the videos I linked and by running "vimtutor" -- You most likely want to install vim-gnome/vim-gtk |
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| 23:35.29 | aguitel | how disable screensaver in testing(gnome3) ? |
| 23:36.06 | TechDesk | cut power câble |
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| 23:39.42 | thewanderer1 | guys, how does one enable tap-to-click and scrolling on a touchpad in KDE4? |
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| 23:40.39 | derric | When ever I try to change the domain name servers in the dhclient.conf file or supersede the ones I get from my ISP, then my name search fails. |
| 23:41.43 | derric | Do I need to add more somewere then just the ip of a nameserver? |
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| 23:46.35 | JasonWoof | How do I make a .woff file? (web font) |
| 23:47.44 | cthuluh | derric: pastebin your resolv.conf |
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| 23:48.43 | JasonWoof | I see that fontforge can generate a .woff file... but is there some commandline thing that can just convert a .ttf? |
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| 23:55.13 | derric | cthuluh: http://pastebin.com/PLJPPLCt |
| 23:55.40 | cthuluh | paste.debian.net |
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| 23:59.07 | EvilResistance | derric: pastebinit should work |
| 23:59.10 | cthuluh | derric: pastebin.com is being an ass, requiring entering a captcha, but ok |
| 23:59.21 | EvilResistance | cthuluh: i can dump the raw somewhere if you want |
| 23:59.24 | cthuluh | the resolv.conf seems fine |
| 23:59.27 | EvilResistance | it'd remove the captcha thing ;P |
| 23:59.29 | cthuluh | EvilResistance: that's ok |
| 23:59.48 | cthuluh | I just don't like their fscking cookies |