| 00:00.38 | cthuluh | derric: so, why doesn't 65.32.5.111 answer to your quesries? |
| 00:00.41 | cthuluh | queries* |
| 00:00.51 | JasonWoof | cthuluh: you're ok with captcha but not cookies? |
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| 00:01.29 | Jasonn | hi, I want to know how to upload an ssh public key to my server |
| 00:01.32 | cthuluh | JasonWoof: their captcha seems to require cookies |
| 00:01.33 | Jasonn | I already have it generated |
| 00:01.39 | cthuluh | JasonWoof: ssh-copy-id |
| 00:01.49 | cthuluh | damn, Jasonn |
| 00:01.52 | Jasonn | \yeah |
| 00:01.57 | Jasonn | I am using windblows |
| 00:02.02 | Jasonn | because my main system is down |
| 00:02.22 | cthuluh | see the documentation for putty/winscp/I dunno |
| 00:02.37 | Jasonn | :/ |
| 00:02.45 | derric | cthuluh: It does, obviouly because I can irc. It's when I change to the servers I want to use that the dns search stops. |
| 00:03.22 | babilen | derric: pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net should work btw (if pdn is not used by default) |
| 00:03.37 | cthuluh | derric: no, when your irc client has performed a connection, it doesn't need dns anymore |
| 00:03.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | babilen: pastebin.com is default (and annoys me |
| 00:03.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | ) |
| 00:04.09 | cthuluh | derric: so what does dig wxcvbn.org @65.32.5.111 # tell you? |
| 00:04.21 | Jasonn | cthuluh: wait, would I have to upload the key just as is, or would I have to put it in another file format and make the server recognise it, or what? |
| 00:04.46 | babilen | Kamping_Kaiser: That has been changed in more recent versions |
| 00:05.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | babilen: i look forward to a new version in wheezy then ;) (hopefully a man page without FIXMEs all the way through too) |
| 00:05.31 | cthuluh | Jasonn: I am not a putty user |
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| 00:06.10 | Jasonn | cthuluh: thanks :) |
| 00:06.21 | babilen | Kamping_Kaiser: The last time I took a look at pastebinit's codebase I cried myself to sleep. I am not really surprised by the state of its documentation |
| 00:06.39 | themill | Jasonn: is this an openssh generated keypair or a putty generated pair? |
| 00:07.00 | Jasonn | putty generated |
| 00:07.41 | derric | cthuluh: the usual stuff about ip addres and server of autority. |
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| 00:08.15 | derric | cthuluh: I could try that with the server IPs I want to use to see what happens... |
| 00:08.42 | themill | Jasonn: putty has a tool to "save in openssh format". If you do that, adding the contents of the .pub file on a single line in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys should be sufficient. Also /msg dpkg ssh permissions |
| 00:09.20 | Jasonn | themill: and if the file is not there, I can create it? |
| 00:09.22 | derric | cthuluh: Hmm, same info just a lot faster. |
| 00:09.37 | Jasonn | the authorized_keys, that is |
| 00:09.46 | themill | Jasonn: yes, but be careful with the permissions as dpkg said |
| 00:09.57 | cthuluh | derric: I don't get it ; if dig foobar @65.32.5.111 gives you results, then 65.32.5.111 is a valid nameserver |
| 00:10.06 | Jasonn | themill: what should I set it to? |
| 00:10.13 | themill | ... what dpkg said. |
| 00:10.15 | cthuluh | derric: I don't know which "server" you're talking about |
| 00:10.36 | Jasonn | themill: as a PM, or what? |
| 00:10.38 | Jasonn | I didnt getit :/ |
| 00:11.01 | cthuluh | dpkg: tell Jasonn -about ssh permissions |
| 00:11.07 | cthuluh | dpkg: tell Jasonn -about selftell |
| 00:11.09 | Jasonn | thanks :) |
| 00:11.11 | themill | Jasonn: you can ask dpkg yourself without having to have me force-feed it to you |
| 00:11.26 | Jasonn | : |
| 00:11.28 | Jasonn | :3 |
| 00:11.29 | Jasonn | okj thanks |
| 00:11.52 | derric | cthuluh: You're missing the point, 65.32.5.111 is valid, but it's damn slow and drops out every once in a while. I want to use 128.8.10.90 for example. |
| 00:12.20 | Jasonn | themill: and the id_rsa file, what do I do with that? |
| 00:12.45 | themill | Jasonn: the private key would be for the ssh client, but putty will use its own version of that file instead. |
| 00:12.56 | cthuluh | derric: gah ; so why did you show your old resolv.conf? I thought you had problems with the updated one 8) |
| 00:13.01 | derric | cthuluh: When I try to supersede 128.8.10.90 the dns resolution stops working. |
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| 00:13.29 | cthuluh | derric: so, does dig wxcvbn.org @128.8.10.90 # from command line? |
| 00:13.42 | derric | cthuluh: Uh, because with the updated one, I would have been prevented from chatting with you. |
| 00:13.45 | Jasonn | themill: alrightt, thanks :) |
| 00:13.51 | Jasonn | themill: and I dont upload it to the server? |
| 00:14.04 | themill | no. The private key should be kept... private. |
| 00:14.10 | derric | cthuluh: I did, it worked fine, and a lot faster than the other. |
| 00:14.15 | cthuluh | derric: no it wouldn't, your irc client doesn't need dns if it's already connected |
| 00:14.35 | ivo_ | Hey guys, I just want to say: Thank you debian developers for the great work you do! |
| 00:14.38 | Jasonn | themill: okk, thanks :) |
| 00:14.57 | Jasonn | themill: anything else I can do to prevent people from hacking my serveR? |
| 00:15.01 | cthuluh | derric: so, modify your resolv.conf by hand, putting "nameserver 128.8.10.90" instead of the old nameserver lines |
| 00:15.14 | themill | Jasonn: unplugging it usually works |
| 00:15.17 | cthuluh | derric: then chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:15.31 | cthuluh | to be sure dhclient doesn't overwrites it |
| 00:15.43 | Jasonn | themill: alrighties, lemme just drive to the OVH datacenter right now :D |
| 00:15.56 | cthuluh | derric: (you'll do a chattr -i when you'll be sure your config is ok) |
| 00:15.59 | derric | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.09 | cthuluh | derric: yes |
| 00:16.19 | cthuluh | by dhclient, rather |
| 00:16.47 | zykotick9 | How to message dpkg (get factoids) using irssi? When I "/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze" a new tab opens, starting with "-!- Irssi: Starting query in freenode with dpkg" then I see my message echoed "lenny->squeeze" but I don't get the factoid contents. |
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| 00:17.37 | derric | cthuluh: Then I'd have to alter it after every boot. I already do that from my firewall, because I'm having trouble getting the new init to do it for me. |
| 00:17.55 | cthuluh | derric: wait a minute... |
| 00:18.00 | cthuluh | 128.8.10.90 is a root server |
| 00:18.17 | derric | cthuluh: Yes, root-server. |
| 00:18.19 | cthuluh | wtf are you trying to do? using a root server as your own resolver? :) |
| 00:18.50 | cthuluh | things don't work like that |
| 00:18.54 | derric | I can run a local cashe, then querry the root only as necessary. |
| 00:19.12 | derric | cthuluh: Sure they do if you want them too. |
| 00:19.16 | cthuluh | yes, but you can't put an authoritative only nameserver in your resolv.conf |
| 00:19.25 | cthuluh | hehehe |
| 00:19.53 | cthuluh | derric: install unbound, then put 127.0.0.1 in your resolv.conf ; done |
| 00:20.05 | derric | cthuluh: Maybe that's the problem. I set up bind9 for a network years ago, and used the root servers for that. |
| 00:21.12 | derric | cthuluh: So that's what I still have on my mind. Running the local cashe server off the root servers was a lot faster then using the ISPs servers. |
| 00:21.13 | cthuluh | derric: yes, a resolver needs a list of root servers to start queries from (usually called a "hint") |
| 00:22.29 | derric | cthuluh: I know what the hint is, I used that to set up bind. |
| 00:22.47 | derric | cthuluh: Let me look up unbound. |
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| 00:25.01 | cthuluh | zykotick9: works ok here |
| 00:25.03 | derric | cthuluh: Niftydns local cashe server right on the desktop. Looks like just what I need. |
| 00:25.15 | cthuluh | niftydns? |
| 00:25.56 | cthuluh | "nifty" "dns", ok :) |
| 00:26.00 | derric | cthuluh: that was suppose to be, nifty, a local.... |
| 00:26.09 | zykotick9 | cthuluh: thanks - will look for local causes then. |
| 00:26.20 | crosswalk | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:26.20 | derric | :) |
| 00:26.32 | gimpy941 | crosswalk: /etc/passwd |
| 00:26.47 | crosswalk | gimpy941: Ah, that's what it was. Thanks gimpy941. |
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| 00:28.11 | gimpy941 | crosswalk: Also 'getent passwd'. |
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| 00:28.49 | crosswalk | gimpy941: Oh wow, nice tool there. |
| 00:30.19 | cthuluh | works with non-/etc/passwd user databases too |
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| 00:31.05 | Jasonn | themill: around? |
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| 00:46.40 | Pimster | Good evening, i broke lenny trying to install gvfs, and then i did a big mess trying to fix things. I have now upgraded the system to squeeze, but still i have got none desktop environment and the graphic are all unconfigured, is there a way to rerun the autoconfiguration that is runned during the installation process? |
| 00:47.10 | Pimster | (the installation process of the os) |
| 00:47.43 | jsoft_ | Indeed. |
| 00:48.08 | jsoft_ | Pimster: I think its dpkg --reconfigure or something like that |
| 00:48.22 | jsoft_ | Pimster: try google debian reconfigure or something like that |
| 00:49.19 | jsoft_ | dpkg-reconfigure gvfs perhaps |
| 00:49.39 | Pimster | jsoft_: thank you, one more thing: how would i download a version of gnome without too much optionals and graphical improvements (my computer is quite old) |
| 00:51.08 | jsoft_ | Pimster: hmm... not sure. I use xfce4 |
| 00:52.03 | Pimster | when i see a package name gnome virtual file system, does that mean it can be run only on gnome? |
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| 00:52.33 | jsoft_ | Pimster: like what for example? |
| 00:52.40 | Pimster | gvfs |
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| 00:53.05 | jsoft_ | I am not actually sure what gvfs is. |
| 00:53.22 | jsoft_ | I keep hearing it but never really used it knowingly |
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| 01:02.29 | Pimster | Well my main problem is that all my graphic driver configuration is gone, and i'm not getting it back in anyway. So i was wondering, as i got configured so easily at first start, why souldn't exist a easy way to do it again? |
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| 01:05.58 | icez | howdy. I have multiple machines with identical IP addresses (which "shouldn't" be changed), and another machine with multiple network interfaces. I need the latter to connect to each machines using a web browser, but I can't seem to find a way to bind an application to a specific port. Any ideas? |
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| 01:10.18 | zykotick9 | icez: "multiple machines with identical IP addresses" does not compute... |
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| 01:11.59 | Pimster | it sounds pretty problematic and useless |
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| 01:13.37 | Pimster | icez: what do you mean? |
| 01:14.28 | icez | hmm |
| 01:14.39 | icez | they're all loaded from an image, so they're identical |
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| 01:16.03 | icez | they're not meant to be on the same network, but they need to be configured before they can get there, basically :P |
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| 01:17.43 | accel | I'm on an OSX machine with 8GB of RAM. I want to test running _everything_ in separate virtual-boxed linux vms. As a result, I want to build the minimal linux distro that supports X. Is there a variant of debian I should look into? (I'm a big fan of the apt system). |
| 01:18.07 | zykotick9 | icez: another network reality, ports are used by the network stack to connect to specific applications... http uses port 80 for example. By the sounds of it, you should probably just config the VMs one at a time. |
| 01:18.55 | zykotick9 | accel: install from net-install, then you can install whatever you want, starting from a very Base system |
| 01:19.22 | accel | zykotick9: is net-install smaller than installing from a *.iso ? |
| 01:19.29 | icez | I could, but then I'm looking for another way, so I don't have to do them one by one. |
| 01:19.43 | zykotick9 | accel: netinstall starts from an ISO? not sure what you are asking. |
| 01:20.06 | accel | Question: is starting from net-install smaller than starting from an ISO ? |
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| 01:20.18 | zykotick9 | accel: netinstall IS an ISO? |
| 01:20.37 | accel | I'm an idiot. |
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| 01:24.33 | abrotman | accel: the netinst is the ideal method .. it installs a base system, you add on top of that |
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| 01:25.58 | icez | zykotick9, also by machines I meant physical machines, not VMs |
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| 01:27.12 | LtL | accel: a netinstall is the smallest, most basic install, it's pulls what it needs off the net, not an iso image, iirc |
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| 01:29.26 | zykotick9 | icez: it doesn't matter if they're VM or physical - you can't have multiple machines with the same IP... what you're asking sounds impossible to me. |
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| 01:30.29 | abrotman | LtL: it is an ISO |
| 01:30.46 | abrotman | zykotick9: if they're NATed, they appear to have the same IP |
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| 01:31.59 | zykotick9 | abrotman: BUT, from one machine how could it possible communicate with several other machines all with the same IP? |
| 01:32.04 | icez | i'm just trying to use one machine with multiple ports to configure multiple identical machines, instead of using multiple machines to configure multiple machines |
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| 01:32.54 | abrotman | icez: multiple ports? |
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| 01:33.02 | icez | ideally i'd just change the IP addresses temporarily, but I'm not allowed to |
| 01:33.07 | Xiol | icez: so you want to use a network bridge and NAT your VMs? you can forward/NAT stuff using iptables |
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| 01:33.22 | icez | multiple NICs |
| 01:33.38 | zykotick9 | icez: one nic for each machine? |
| 01:34.11 | icez | well, the NICs have multiple ports, so one port to one machine |
| 01:34.42 | zykotick9 | icez: well, perhaps my "impossible" was inaccurate then. Good luck. |
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| 01:37.37 | jsoft_ | Why not just dirty old bridge? |
| 01:37.51 | abrotman | or NAT .. or a router |
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| 01:39.57 | icez | well I'd need a browser to actually send/receive data into each individual ports...but then I don't see how I can route from each browsers to the appropriate place, when the destinations share the same IP |
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| 01:46.46 | abrotman | what is a "port" in this case? |
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| 01:48.26 | icez | abrotman, a NIC port |
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| 01:50.58 | icez | only other way I can think of is using multiple instances of a simple http proxy...and bind one to each interfaces...not sure if that would work though |
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| 01:53.13 | abrotman | what's wrong with using NAT? |
| 01:54.00 | icez | how would that work? |
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| 01:54.30 | Kittie | I have a question. wheezy is testing, right? and not sid? |
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| 02:02.09 | mosno | Kittie, http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 02:03.03 | Kittie | from there, I gather that wheezy is testing, and sid is unstable. just wanted to confirm it |
| 02:03.53 | mosno | Kittie, you can generally trust the website :) |
| 02:04.05 | Kittie | xD |
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| 02:23.34 | lduros | looking for libdvdcss2 for adm64. Isn't it a multimedia repo or something? |
| 02:23.47 | Masterdev | Hi how can I make the imagemagick to use my GPU for rendering? |
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| 02:26.03 | zykotick9 | lduros: it's in debian-multimedia yes |
| 02:26.35 | lduros | zykotick9: where can I get debian-multimedia? |
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| 02:26.47 | civillian | !dm |
| 02:26.48 | dpkg_ | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, login.app and <slim> are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. Or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer |
| 02:26.53 | civillian | !d-m |
| 02:26.53 | dpkg_ | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 02:26.56 | civillian | close |
| 02:27.01 | abrotman | !tell |
| 02:27.14 | lduros | zykotick9: found it. thx :-) |
| 02:27.19 | abrotman | bleh |
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| 02:27.30 | civillian | Out of no-where, it's.... abrotman! |
| 02:27.54 | abrotman | uh, i've been here |
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| 02:28.57 | lduros | is this correct: deb http://security.debian.org/ sid/updates main deb-src http://security.debian.org/ sid/updates main |
| 02:29.04 | lduros | sorry, one on each line |
| 02:29.14 | lduros | sid/updates doesn't seem to be findable |
| 02:29.23 | abrotman | lduros: no .. there are no security updates for sid |
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| 02:29.44 | lduros | abrotman: ok, that's what I thought ;-) thx |
| 02:29.45 | lduros | i had read it somewhere |
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| 02:32.17 | jsoft_ | Indeed |
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| 02:32.46 | blackshirt | is it normal, has 63*console-kit-daemon process on top/ps output ?? |
| 02:33.55 | abrotman | probably not |
| 02:34.42 | blackshirt | abrotman: why ? this is new (freshly installed) debian system |
| 02:35.24 | abrotman | if you thought it was normal .. would you have asked? |
| 02:35.26 | blackshirt | abrotman: i have check on my friend ubuntu system, that looks have a same thing :D |
| 02:35.49 | abrotman | okay |
| 02:37.14 | blackshirt | abrotman: i just want to know.. why console-kit-daemon spawn a lot of "thread/process".. is this bug or there are some functionality for this ? i hope you know and tell me :D |
| 02:37.35 | Masterdev | !opencl |
| 02:38.05 | blackshirt | abrotman: what is functioanlity console-kit-daemon for ? |
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| 02:40.37 | Masterdev | Hi how can I make the imagemagick to use my GPU for rendering? Is there some package? |
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| 02:40.59 | mhe98 | hi |
| 02:42.50 | mhe98 | anyone around? |
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| 02:43.00 | Masterdev | nope |
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| 03:11.54 | ccegoo | register |
| 03:12.25 | ccegoo | et |
| 03:12.27 | ccegoo | set |
| 03:12.34 | ccegoo | clear |
| 03:12.37 | ccegoo | clear |
| 03:12.44 | abrotman | wtf |
| 03:13.07 | lstarnes | ccegoo: you must have a / at the start of all commands in IRC |
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| 03:14.04 | ccegoo | humm |
| 03:15.15 | ccegoo | thanks |
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| 03:18.54 | jaggz | I have php installed, but it's saying "PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/apc.so'" |
| 03:19.05 | jaggz | I am in the middle of a project and the system is 5.0.1 |
| 03:19.35 | civillian | jaggz: isn't there a #php channel? |
| 03:19.50 | jaggz | isn't it weird though? I can't find anything satisfying the libraries.. apc, imap, pdo_sqlite, sqlite |
| 03:19.58 | jaggz | I think it's a debian dependency thing |
| 03:20.31 | abrotman | jaggz: which version of Debian ? |
| 03:20.43 | abrotman | jaggz: dpkg -l php5 .. which version of php5 ? |
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| 03:21.38 | jaggz | 5.0.1 .. I think that's Lenny .. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases/PointReleases/5.0.1 |
| 03:21.57 | abrotman | it owuldn't be 5.0.1 .. or i hope not anyway |
| 03:22.12 | abrotman | lenny is on 5.0.9 |
| 03:22.15 | jaggz | dpkg -l php5 doesn't show a version.. searching. |
| 03:22.15 | dpkg_ | ii php5 doesn't show a version.. searching. 3.9-12.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 03:22.37 | abrotman | jaggz: dpkg -l "*php*" |
| 03:22.42 | jaggz | (yeah, someone in #php says it sounds like a problem with the package manager) |
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| 03:24.20 | jaggz | I don't see versions there.. just some pathnames containing that date (20060613). |
| 03:24.32 | jaggz | aptitude shows two versions: i A 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9 and p A 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13 |
| 03:24.34 | abrotman | uhm .. you typed teh wrong command then |
| 03:25.04 | jaggz | l < L ? |
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| 03:25.07 | nick556 | hello |
| 03:27.12 | civillian | jaggz: do you want / need apc? |
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| 03:28.09 | jaggz | hmm.. power/device control? |
| 03:28.19 | abrotman | wtf |
| 03:28.28 | abrotman | jaggz: are you going to give us the version numbers? |
| 03:28.47 | civillian | jaggz: not the UPS maker... |
| 03:28.59 | jaggz | Oh I thought I did: I have php5 5.6.2.. lenny9 installed |
| 03:29.07 | abrotman | that is not a version number |
| 03:29.18 | abrotman | jaggz: how are you getting this error? in a log ? |
| 03:29.38 | jaggz | running php from commandline to do some processing.. it's dumped right out to term |
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| 03:30.08 | jaggz | civillian, oh.. I was confused because I had some acpi issues with this system |
| 03:30.25 | jaggz | no I'm apparently not using these things.. but they're cluttering my debug output |
| 03:30.26 | abrotman | judd: file lib/php5/20060613+lfs/apc.so --release oldstable |
| 03:30.31 | judd | Search for lib/php5/20060613+lfs/apc.so in lenny/i386: php-apc: usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/apc.so |
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| 03:30.46 | abrotman | jaggz: so apparently install the php-apc package |
| 03:31.08 | jaggz | installing it now.. |
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| 03:31.54 | jaggz | judd: file lib/php5/20060613+lfs/imap.so --release oldstable |
| 03:31.59 | judd | Search for lib/php5/20060613+lfs/imap.so in lenny/i386: php5-imap: usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/imap.so; php5-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/imap.so |
| 03:32.07 | abrotman | !tell jaggz about apt-file |
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| 03:32.36 | jaggz | thanks :) |
| 03:33.34 | jaggz | I swear I installed these the other day.. sigh.. okay, well thank you very much. Helpful as usual. :) |
| 03:34.10 | jaggz | I did a search on packages.debian but I guess I failed somehow. |
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| 03:36.51 | jaggz | Also, I see those entries in /etc/php5/cli/conf.d/ .. like apc.ini .. |
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| 03:37.02 | jaggz | asking in #php about that part of it. |
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| 03:51.40 | needwless | hi there... I'm struggling with wicd-daemon. It says "ImportError: No module named gtk". Looks like the python module path is missing. I tried with python 2.6.6 and 2.6.7. Fail. Stable version fail :( |
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| 03:52.31 | needwless | there are some mentions of a similar issue, and I did have wicd-daemon working on a testing version, but I can't have it running on stable... |
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| 04:00.26 | TeruFSX_ | hello? |
| 04:00.39 | TeruFSX_ | okay i somehow got banned from ##linux |
| 04:01.38 | liable | i have an unusual browser issue thats quietly driving me nuts |
| 04:02.08 | liable | iceweasel is 404'ing on i.imgur.com links, and rendering on imgur.com links, but not showing jpegs |
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| 04:02.37 | liable | i tried removing my dot files and no help, and konquerer works fine |
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| 04:12.48 | simonlnu | TeruFSX: and we would help why exactly? talk to the ##linux ops, not us. |
| 04:12.55 | TeruFSX | i don't know |
| 04:13.02 | TeruFSX | and apparently I am not? |
| 04:13.03 | TeruFSX | so |
| 04:13.20 | simonlnu | liable: try clearing the cache, and restart it twice, once with extensions off, once regular. |
| 04:13.53 | simonlnu | ff/icweasel like to behave like windows... |
| 04:13.56 | simonlnu | ice |
| 04:14.02 | liable | tried it with extensions off. in safe mode. cleared cache |
| 04:14.12 | liable | its really weird |
| 04:14.22 | simonlnu | hapen with other sites? |
| 04:14.23 | liable | imgur is the only site that seems to do it |
| 04:14.28 | simonlnu | happ* |
| 04:14.45 | simonlnu | running with no js or js on? |
| 04:14.51 | liable | enabled |
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| 04:15.01 | liable | tried with it off as well though |
| 04:15.12 | liable | pretty much went through every setting in config |
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| 04:15.37 | simonlnu | do you have an appcache for the site? how about cookies? |
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| 04:16.10 | simonlnu | delete the site's cookies, and purge the appcache if any |
| 04:16.16 | liable | i have it set to clear cookies on close, so it shouldn't have any for it. |
| 04:16.19 | simonlnu | ok |
| 04:16.25 | liable | i'll try deleting them though |
| 04:16.42 | simonlnu | what's the overall cookie policy? |
| 04:16.43 | liable | can you setup cache per site? |
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| 04:17.02 | liable | not allowing 3rd party |
| 04:17.11 | liable | otherwise, sites can set them |
| 04:17.20 | simonlnu | the appcache yes, it's the html5 stuff |
| 04:18.06 | liable | its been so long since ive had a bug that i have had to search for an answer too, my nerd-fu is sorely lacking atm :) |
| 04:18.20 | simonlnu | hehe |
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| 04:23.55 | liable | and whats even more bizzare, is that it shows thumbnails on reddit, but i suppose thats reddit making the thumbnails |
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| 04:24.17 | simonlnu | yeh |
| 04:26.19 | crosswalk | Would all entries in /etc/passwd be considered users even though some are processes? |
| 04:28.23 | Vasistha | crosswalk: yes, they are users -- some of them are users that only exist in the system for the purpose of executing a daemon, but they are users all the same |
| 04:28.24 | cthuluh | well... a process runs under a particular identity |
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| 04:30.43 | crosswalk | Vasistha: Interesting. Thank you. |
| 04:31.10 | Vasistha | you're welcome |
| 04:31.24 | samba35 | if i am using kvm or any other networking ,if i am using bridge i have to use same ip address in /etc/network/interface and guest os |
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| 04:33.35 | Vasistha | samba35: there may be a way around that but it is going to require some expertise in customizing the right configuration files |
| 04:35.42 | civillian | samba35: no, use a different IP address in the same subnet |
| 04:35.45 | samba35 | yes i am using vi /etc/network/interface |
| 04:35.57 | samba35 | ok |
| 04:36.22 | simonlnu | *faces |
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| 04:37.29 | samba35 | while editing /etc/network/interface what all the setting i have to add |
| 04:37.58 | simonlnu | *faces |
| 04:38.11 | samba35 | ip address ,netmask ,network |
| 04:38.39 | samba35 | 192.168.10.101 255.255.255.0 192.168.10.0 ? |
| 04:41.09 | simonlnu | !man interfaces |
| 04:41.09 | dpkg_ | man interfaces is probably at http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=interfaces where you can view many Debian man pages. Ask me about <docs> <dmp> <grounding> <search>. |
| 04:41.59 | Vasistha | samba35: those values look like they should work, but when you are editing the file, each needs to go on its own line with a field descriptor, e.g. address x.x.x.x \n netmask x.x.x.x \n gateway x.x.x.x |
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| 04:46.48 | liable | hmm, actually, konquerer is doing it as well. |
| 04:47.00 | liable | i was sure i opened a link in konq earlier |
| 04:47.08 | liable | iptables are clear |
| 04:47.11 | liable | how odd.. |
| 04:47.56 | simonlnu | proxy? |
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| 04:48.11 | civillian | aussie net filter? |
| 04:48.27 | liable | lol, nah. my tablet can access them fine |
| 04:48.42 | liable | no proxy set |
| 04:48.53 | simonlnu | image loading turned off? :P |
| 04:49.04 | liable | nope, works on flickr etc |
| 04:49.13 | liable | really strange |
| 04:49.25 | simonlnu | yeh.. |
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| 05:02.24 | rypervenche | How can I set up my Debian Stable computer to not ask me for my password when I login? |
| 05:03.07 | simonlnu | seriously? |
| 05:03.14 | rypervenche | It's not for me :/ |
| 05:03.15 | Vasistha | rypervenche: desktop environments have that capability |
| 05:03.44 | rypervenche | I tried looking in the users and groups option, but the option for logging in without a password was greyed out. |
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| 05:04.15 | mhall119 | rypervenche: what desktop and login manager are you using? |
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| 05:05.43 | rypervenche | Defaults on Debian. Gnome and GDM |
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| 05:06.20 | unomystEz | anyone know how I would be able to install postgresql-9.1 on squeeze? |
| 05:06.34 | simonlnu | !backports |
| 05:06.35 | dpkg_ | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 05:06.36 | unomystEz | perhaps via a certain apt-get source? |
| 05:06.41 | unomystEz | ah |
| 05:07.15 | unomystEz | thank you |
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| 05:08.35 | mhall119 | rypervenche: gnome 2 or 3? |
| 05:09.07 | unomystEz | I'm getting this error:http://dpaste.com/675289/ |
| 05:09.08 | Vasistha | rypervenche: you have to view the settings as root, only root can enable it |
| 05:09.14 | unomystEz | saying 8.4 is to be installed instead? |
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| 05:10.36 | mhall119 | rypervenche: for me, there's an Unlock button on the top-right of the Users and Groups window, click that, give sudo password, and then the option is enabled |
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| 05:11.05 | mhall119 | is on Ubuntu though, so not sure if it's the same |
| 05:11.36 | Vasistha | unomystEz: there's a backport for it, you should get it that way |
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| 05:11.49 | Vasistha | !tell unomystEz about backports |
| 05:11.57 | simonlnu | unomystEz: did you read the whole factoid? |
| 05:12.08 | simonlnu | i did that already |
| 05:12.30 | unomystEz | actually, i screwed up my server so I'm in a rush |
| 05:12.31 | unomystEz | sorry |
| 05:12.44 | unomystEz | kinda freaking out O.o |
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| 05:13.10 | unomystEz | it's apparently install libpq5 (a dependency) from 8.4 squeeze instead of backports |
| 05:13.21 | Vasistha | unomystEz: well if you are in a rush then the best thing you can do is take it slowly and make the right decisions to get it installed properly, rather than rushing down the wrong alley and wasting time |
| 05:13.29 | unomystEz | i agree |
| 05:13.30 | simonlnu | not gonna go any faster freaking out, in fact it'll go slower. |
| 05:13.39 | unomystEz | and possibly blow up |
| 05:13.43 | unomystEz | think i got it |
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| 05:14.25 | Vasistha | unomystEz: you've added a backports line to /etc/apt/sources.list right? once you do that you should be able to select it using aptitude |
| 05:14.27 | unomystEz | missed the "-t squeeze-backports install" |
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| 05:15.39 | unomystEz | wow, talk about a burmese firedrill |
| 05:15.45 | unomystEz | system is back up |
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| 05:16.05 | simonlnu | cool |
| 05:16.16 | Vasistha | yay |
| 05:16.38 | simonlnu | pay attention to the port in the 9.1 one as it might have changed it (read the 5432 from the 8.4) |
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| 05:17.11 | simonlnu | being coinstallable like it is makes things easier to upgrade |
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| 05:21.21 | a-slack | Hi, Is there any problem in debian unstable related to the packages initscripts / klogd / sysklogd ? the update of initscripts package try to remove klogd and sysklogd |
| 05:22.13 | cthuluh | you'd better look at the BTS / ask #debian-next |
| 05:22.14 | unomystEz | pfew... |
| 05:22.36 | cthuluh | ah, well, #debian-next on OFTC |
| 05:23.19 | unomystEz | prod website, put up a maintenance page on nginx, then tried to restore a db but my dev server is 9.1 and isn't compat with 8.4 on prod server, so removed 8.4 and found 9.1 wasn't in the apt-get.... |
| 05:23.31 | unomystEz | thanks for your help, i't sback up |
| 05:23.36 | unomystEz | in less than 5 minutes downtime |
| 05:25.49 | popkill | a |
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| 05:32.17 | rypervenche | Vasistha: Ah thank you. |
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| 05:36.57 | rypervenche | Hmm, it's still greyed out even when run as root. I still can't change it so my user can log in without having to input a password. (Gnome 2.x and GDM 2 on Debian Stable) |
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| 05:39.40 | Vasistha | rypervenche: maybe ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org they're more familiar with it |
| 05:43.05 | rypervenche | Ok, thanks. |
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| 06:21.52 | mactimes | Hi. I'm in trouble connecting my iPhone 3GS to Debian. Would anyone know how to fix "Unhandled Lockdown error (-4)"? |
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| 06:23.27 | JaredKz | what's the backtrack support channel? |
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| 06:31.19 | cthuluh | dpkg_: tell JaredKz -about backtrack |
| 06:31.54 | JaredKz | cthuluh, uhh I don't think it worked, but thanks anyway =) |
| 06:33.10 | cthuluh | huh |
| 06:33.26 | cthuluh | JaredKz: #backtrack-linux on freenode |
| 06:33.59 | JaredKz | rightio, thanks =) |
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| 06:42.35 | crosswalk | Wouldn't 'mv [A-Z]* Uppercase' move all files starting with an uppercase character to the directory 'Uppercase'? |
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| 06:51.08 | prince_jammys | crosswalk: except that 'Uppercase' matches the pattern. In any case, use [[:upper:]]* instead of [A-Z]* |
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| 06:52.00 | crosswalk | prince_jammys: Ah, thank you. I did just notice that was the case, but forgot about using [[:upper:]]*. |
| 06:53.10 | prince_jammys | welcome |
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| 07:20.21 | moho | anyone in here use a fta system |
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| 07:45.51 | lasers | working with my browser* |
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| 08:28.55 | Wulf | Hello |
| 08:29.50 | Wulf | I have a problem with the power consumption of my laptop |
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| 08:29.57 | crosswalk | prince_jammys: Is there any option to disable the recursive move that was happening with my first command? I don't think I'm picking it up from the mv manpage. |
| 08:30.27 | Wulf | running sid on x86_64. With kernel 2.6.39 it's all fine, with 3.0 and 3.1 the fan is much faster and power consumtion is bigger |
| 08:30.35 | Wulf | where can I start to debug this? |
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| 08:36.49 | Jef91 | Is visudo included in the "sudo" package or is it elsewhere? |
| 08:37.02 | Jef91 | I just installed sudo on my stable system and "visudo" won't run as root |
| 08:37.15 | somiaj | Jef91: you could try 'aptitude search visudo' |
| 08:37.36 | Jef91 | already did that somiaj |
| 08:37.38 | Jef91 | yields nothing |
| 08:37.39 | sep | Jef91, it's from the sudo package |
| 08:37.39 | somiaj | Jef91: hmm, nevermind I thought that may return results, 9: |
| 08:37.54 | sephii | Jef91: visudo is in the sudo package |
| 08:37.55 | sep | dpkg -S /usr/sbin/visudo |
| 08:37.56 | dpkg_ | There is no record of a /usr/sbin/visudo package |
| 08:37.57 | somiaj | Jef91: dpkg -S visudo -- sudo: /usr/sbin/visudo |
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| 08:38.40 | sidh | Greetings |
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| 08:40.01 | sidh | I would like to be sure to understand naming convention : does icedove (3.1.16-1~bpo60+1) in backports is the equivalent of Thunderbird 3.1.16 ? |
| 08:40.36 | crosswalk | sidh: Precisely. |
| 08:40.48 | sidh | ouch ... |
| 08:40.52 | sidh | Thank you |
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| 08:41.33 | crosswalk | sidh: Same thing with Iceweasel and Firefox. Essentially the same browser, just different branding. |
| 08:41.59 | trist4n | whast the issue there anyway. what about firefox stops it |
| 08:42.19 | crosswalk | trist4n: Stops what? |
| 08:42.28 | sep | Wulf, can you be seeing this issue ? http://www.fewt.com/2011/09/about-kernel-30-power-regression-myth.html |
| 08:42.59 | sidh | ( I thought backports was recent version of apps for stable release, on another desktop I run thunderbird 8 flawlessy for 2 months) |
| 08:43.18 | trist4n | frmo firefox being included instead of firefox |
| 08:43.50 | sidh | so if i install the backport version, I won't be able to import my .thunderbird folder |
| 08:44.07 | sidh | crosswalk: thanks for the info |
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| 08:44.55 | sephii | Psy-Q: I remember I had to install some kdebase-bin or kdebase-data to have the KDE apps nice appearance |
| 08:44.59 | crosswalk | trist4n: I think it's about the free software focus of Debian. Firefox is free software, but supports and encourages the use of non-free software. At least that's what I think on the matter. |
| 08:45.06 | trist4n | ah right. |
| 08:45.20 | trist4n | such an rms thing to do |
| 08:45.26 | crosswalk | sidh: No problem. |
| 08:45.28 | sephii | also the Firefox logo is not free iirc |
| 08:45.28 | dgvr | Hi all ... |
| 08:45.32 | sep | sidh, they are the same thing with a different name, it should happily use your .thunderbird folder no importing needed. |
| 08:45.42 | crosswalk | sephii: Correct, that is copyrighted. |
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| 08:46.32 | petern__ | crosswalk, copyright != non-free |
| 08:46.47 | Wulf | sep: will have a look, thanks |
| 08:47.16 | crosswalk | petern__: I understand this. The point was that Iceweasel cannot use this branding because it is copyrighted. |
| 08:47.22 | xand | crosswalk: wrong. |
| 08:47.30 | petern__ | indeed, wrong :) |
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| 08:47.40 | crosswalk | xand: How is that wrong? |
| 08:47.45 | xand | you don't know what copyright is |
| 08:47.55 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:47.55 | petern__ | they can't use it because of restrictions on the use of the logo. not because it is copyright. |
| 08:47.56 | crosswalk | xand: Apparently not. |
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| 08:48.04 | xand | nearly everything is copyrighted, including GPL software etc |
| 08:48.14 | sidh | sep I experienced this kind of situation in the past, when trying to import .thunderbird (whatever its name) to a lower version force to re download all the mail from the imap server, because it can't handle the mbox files it seemed |
| 08:48.15 | sep | crosswalk, I belive it's a trademark and not a copyright issue |
| 08:48.18 | xand | and the restrictions on FF logo are not copyright related |
| 08:48.32 | dgvr | Are private or public IP addresses used for servers that are made available to clients across the net (e.g. webservers, mail servers. etc.)? |
| 08:48.41 | sep | sidh, downgrading can be a challenge yes. but not becouse it's called icedove |
| 08:48.48 | crosswalk | sep: That's the misconception I was committing. |
| 08:48.49 | sidh | yes of course |
| 08:48.51 | lstarnes | dgvr: usually public |
| 08:48.59 | xand | dgvr: they wouldn't work too well without a public IP address. |
| 08:49.09 | dgvr | Thanks lstarnes ... |
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| 08:49.42 | sidh | i didn't focuse on the name , I know it is a matter of registered logo from Mozilla Corp. |
| 08:49.45 | sep | dgvr, public addresses.... but the servers themselfs could be on private addresses behind a firewall, or a loadbalancer setup. but as seen from the clients point of view... allways public ip's |
| 08:49.46 | crosswalk | Trademark != Copyright. I tend to use copyright if it represents a physical work since that's how I understood it. |
| 08:49.47 | shtrb | is there a way I can set up dnssec usage system wide ? (something like /etc/resolv.conf) |
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| 08:51.17 | dgvr | I get public IP addresses from my ISP and I assume that it hase to be "static", do I need a new static public address for each server? |
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| 08:51.40 | lstarnes | no, but it is much less difficult to work with static IPs |
| 08:52.03 | sep | dgvr, static is highly recomended if it's not a hobby or toy project |
| 08:52.05 | crosswalk | xand: The software from Firefox is released under the GPL, which allows its modification and re-branding, correct? |
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| 08:52.45 | dgvr | its a business thing .... offering a web portal to SMB's ... |
| 08:52.57 | lstarnes | dgvr: then static |
| 08:53.01 | sep | dgvr, static ip's ! for sure |
| 08:53.04 | lstarnes | crosswalk: I thought it was MPL/LGPL |
| 08:53.22 | dgvr | nice one ... |
| 08:53.30 | dgvr | thanks gents .. |
| 08:54.15 | crosswalk | lstarnes: Wikipedia says MPL, GPL or LGPL. I don't know if that means that the source they have is uncertain or what. |
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| 08:54.45 | sep | if someone is interested in the real unabridged version of the mozilla /firefox/iceweasel then here is the bug # http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 |
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| 08:56.12 | crosswalk | At least I know there's a significant difference between trademark and copyright now. |
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| 09:04.48 | sidh | I'm looking in the sid repos and realize that icedov is still in 3.1.X (3.1.16-1+b1 [alpha], 3.1.16-1) too, whereas iceweasel is at 8.X, is there a plan to abandon icedove in a near future ? |
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| 09:08.56 | savr | hi |
| 09:08.58 | savr | stupid q |
| 09:09.13 | savr | where are the example configs for openvpn located? |
| 09:09.28 | savr | can't google it because all search engines are blocked |
| 09:09.40 | petemc | savr: looked in /usr/share/doc/openvpn/ ? |
| 09:09.42 | savr | or at least all the ones I tried |
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| 09:10.09 | savr | thanks |
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| 09:15.53 | th3darkzi0n | hello. i have an Intel Core 2 Quad (Q6600). someone know what is te correct type of cpu that i must select in the menuconfig to kernel compilation? |
| 09:16.23 | trist4n | hm. what options do you have |
| 09:16.29 | trist4n | i recall the process of elimination making this obvious |
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| 09:17.15 | manolitos | hi, amd64 |
| 09:17.29 | manolitos | http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-4648454.html (th3darkzi0n) |
| 09:17.31 | th3darkzi0n | i dont know if is "Pentium Pro (M686)" or "Core 2/newer Xeor (MCORE2)" |
| 09:17.52 | trist4n | the q6600 is a core 2 quad. |
| 09:17.59 | lstarnes | so the latter |
| 09:18.07 | trist4n | id think so! |
| 09:18.33 | th3darkzi0n | i'm not soure because "make localmodconfig" selects Pentium Pro |
| 09:18.33 | trist4n | these are just the optimisations right? |
| 09:18.48 | th3darkzi0n | yes |
| 09:18.51 | trist4n | i would feel fairly confident in chosing the latter. |
| 09:18.58 | trist4n | back up a genkernel of course. |
| 09:20.10 | th3darkzi0n | ok. thanks trist4an and manolitos |
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| 09:23.21 | skilz | Is there any program where I can speak and it is typed as text on te screen into any selected window? |
| 09:24.03 | skilz | Like if I click on a pigin conversation window and say hello how are you? it is typed into coversation window |
| 09:24.25 | skilz | or if I click my browser and say google.com its typed |
| 09:25.29 | jelly-home | skilz: speech recognition apps are usually made only for more popular OSes. Dragon NaturallySpeaking is an example. |
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| 09:26.50 | jelly-home | skilz: go ahead and investigate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_recognition_in_Linux |
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| 09:30.11 | ohai__ | Is there any way to put my system to stand-by and then wake on LAN? |
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| 09:31.05 | jelly-home | ohai__: if your wired network supports WOL, sure |
| 09:31.22 | ohai__ | How can I check if it supports WOL? |
| 09:31.50 | ohai__ | And what about turning it on when the pc is completely turned off ? |
| 09:32.04 | jelly-home | ohai__: you'd use ethtool to check and enable it if disabled, and a tool like etherwake to send a wake packet from a second machine |
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| 09:32.29 | jelly-home | I have no idea about that, probably requires BIOS support |
| 09:32.51 | bindi | i'm pretty sure every mobo has WOL |
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| 09:33.02 | ohai__ | I don't want to send a packet from another machine |
| 09:33.08 | jelly-home | (it also means at least the network card will not be completely "turned off") |
| 09:33.09 | ohai__ | I just want to turn it on when I visit the server IP |
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| 09:33.38 | jelly-home | ohai__: that's not how it works |
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| 09:34.01 | jelly-home | the machine only wakes when sent a magic packet |
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| 09:34.52 | rjj | sent from interface wiz0 |
| 09:35.45 | sep | ohai__, check bios for wake on lan support. the machine must be in soft off (poweroff from os, or single fast click on power button) if the machine is in hard off, (4 seconds on the powerbutton) wol will often not work. |
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| 09:36.19 | MaxFrames | hello |
| 09:36.24 | sep | when powercable is unpluged and repluged or power is lost i have seen motherboards in either state so a bios setting of starting after power fail is sane if you do not want to run around |
| 09:36.37 | MaxFrames | lenny system, trying to run synaptic package manager, getting this error: |
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| 09:37.32 | MaxFrames | "encountered a section with no packake: header" - "problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_lenny_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages" |
| 09:37.47 | MaxFrames | "cache->open() failed, please report." |
| 09:37.52 | MaxFrames | what do I do, please? |
| 09:38.38 | ohai__ | sep, jelly-home, so I have to turn it on manually by the power button when it isn't turned on |
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| 09:39.49 | sep | ohai__, if the machine is in soft off you can wake it with a magic tcp/ip packet you send using the wakenolan program in the wakeonlan debian package. |
| 09:40.24 | ohai__ | What is soft off? |
| 09:40.26 | ohai__ | Standby? |
| 09:40.28 | sep | you'r nic must support it, and you must have enabled it in the bios of the machine, and the machine must be soft off |
| 09:40.38 | sep | no it's off... |
| 09:40.45 | ohai__ | Just turned off |
| 09:40.58 | sep | turned off normally |
| 09:40.58 | ohai__ | I mean; when I'm at school I want to be able to turn it off |
| 09:40.59 | ohai__ | on * |
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| 09:41.09 | sep | not yanked powercable or press powerbutton 4 sec |
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| 09:41.42 | ohai__ | 4 sec? |
| 09:41.48 | ohai__ | What's that kind of power off? |
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| 09:41.56 | sep | ohai__, you must send the package from the same ethernet segment. so you need to run the program from a different machine in the lan of the machine you want to wake |
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| 09:42.16 | jelly-home | packet! |
| 09:42.46 | jelly-home | this would obviously be a nice fetaure to have in your modem/router |
| 09:42.58 | sep | jelly-home, all serious routers have |
| 09:43.10 | sep | routeros for sure, openwrt/dd-wrt also |
| 09:43.18 | sep | no home cheap broadband router have tho. |
| 09:43.49 | sep | well some might but ;) i have not tested everyone |
| 09:44.01 | ohai__ | sep: ok, thanks |
| 09:44.15 | ohai__ | I have a el cheapo router/modem my provider gave me |
| 09:44.19 | jelly-home | he might buy a very small eth. capable machine just to wake up the big machine |
| 09:44.35 | ohai__ | Nah, the 'big machine' is also small |
| 09:44.49 | jelly-home | not smaller than a sheeva |
| 09:45.50 | sep | ohai__, http://www.picotux.com/ this one would do it i guess ? |
| 09:46.15 | jelly-home | something like that :-) |
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| 09:46.38 | sep | does not say the power consumption... but i imagine it's quite small |
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| 09:47.27 | jelly-home | 3.3V * 250mA * some fuzz factor for the power adaptor |
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| 09:48.53 | jelly-home | price for a single unit seems rather expensive |
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| 09:49.22 | sep | jelly-home, i'd imagine the postage is significant as well. |
| 09:49.42 | sep | probably a sheeva is more established and easier to get support on |
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| 09:49.50 | NiLon | 825mW mmh |
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| 09:50.38 | pozic | Which file system is recommended now? ext3 or ext4 (or something else) |
| 09:50.42 | lstarnes | ext4 |
| 09:50.58 | pozic | lstarnes: can I also read that with the ext2fs reader on Windows? |
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| 09:51.15 | pozic | lstarnes: (because that one can read ext3 (it just ignores the journal, I think) |
| 09:51.17 | NiLon | fat32 ! :P |
| 09:51.27 | pozic | NiLon: now, now. |
| 09:51.44 | pozic | NiLon: no need to scare the children. |
| 09:51.49 | lstarnes | pozic: no. ext4 uses extents, so it is not fully backwards-compatible with ext3 drivers |
| 09:52.06 | pozic | lstarnes: and is there any other way to read ext4 on Windows? |
| 09:52.13 | lstarnes | ext3 is really just ext2 with a journal. ext4 ads a lot of other stuff |
| 09:52.19 | lstarnes | I am not aware of any right now |
| 09:52.32 | lstarnes | there might be one I haven't heard of |
| 09:53.04 | pozic | lstarnes: it seems it recently got ext4 support. |
| 09:53.04 | NiLon | ext2read claims that it can read ext4 |
| 09:53.11 | lstarnes | hmm |
| 09:54.07 | NiLon | but then again, no idea if that's the case |
| 09:54.37 | pozic | I will just take the chance (it wouldn't be that bad if it wasn't possible, just inconvenient). |
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| 10:04.09 | dgvr | I'm offering a business system portal for MSB's (micro and small businesses ie. us) ... |
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| 10:04.48 | Agiofws | hello again |
| 10:04.55 | dgvr | Should I run my own DNS, Mail and Portal Servers or outsource? |
| 10:05.33 | Agiofws | i'd like to ask if i want to upgrade from lenny to squeeze do i first have to change my sources list and then do apt-get upgrade ? |
| 10:05.44 | binbash_ | yeah |
| 10:05.53 | Agiofws | dpkg tell agiofws about lenny to squeeze |
| 10:05.58 | Agiofws | 1dpkg tell agiofws about lenny to squeeze |
| 10:06.03 | Agiofws | !dpkg tell agiofws about lenny to squeeze |
| 10:06.14 | xand | sighs |
| 10:06.18 | binbash_ | lol |
| 10:06.29 | ar | dgvr: for DNS there are good, reliable and free providers (for example, freedns.42.pl). as for email, i'd go for google-for-your-domain |
| 10:06.41 | xand | dpkg isn't there |
| 10:06.41 | dpkg_ | xand: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 10:06.48 | dgvr | hi ar ... |
| 10:06.50 | xand | dpkg_: shut up. |
| 10:06.56 | dgvr | thanks for the feedback .. I'll check it out |
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| 10:07.40 | Agiofws | in the dpkg_s message it does not tell me to edt source.list |
| 10:08.23 | Agiofws | for example to do change everything from lenny to sqeeze ? or does the package manager do it automatically ? |
| 10:08.42 | Agiofws | ok my wrong |
| 10:08.44 | Agiofws | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. |
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| 10:11.20 | dgvr | Any recommendations for a decent ISP in the EU .... I'm in Germany ... |
| 10:11.39 | dgvr | I need a block of Public IP Addresses to set up a portal ... |
| 10:11.57 | sep | Agiofws, read thru everything before you start following it. |
| 10:11.59 | sep | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 10:12.02 | sephii | dgvr: why don't you take a hosting service? |
| 10:12.13 | dgvr | and am currently with Arcor/Vodafone ... |
| 10:12.26 | dgvr | Hi sephil ... |
| 10:13.10 | dgvr | I'm looking at the pro's and con's of hosting ... |
| 10:13.22 | Agiofws | sep, also one more thing i have a vanila kernel on that host i want to upgrade will the upgrade process install a new kernel or will i have to follow a separate process for that as well ? |
| 10:13.30 | dgvr | I feel that the portal provider should understand and operate the systems they offer .... |
| 10:13.41 | dgvr | but this is balanced by the speed offered by hosting ... |
| 10:14.19 | sep | Agiofws, read the whole linke i provided. then come ask questions about things you are still unclear on |
| 10:14.49 | skilz | Please help!!! http://pastebin.com/v7B49Gi2 |
| 10:15.14 | sephii | dgvr: using a hosting service will probably be cheaper. I know in Germany you have good internet connections but you'll probably need a symmetric connection with unlimited bandwidth |
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| 10:15.58 | sephii | skilz: try #python |
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| 10:17.52 | dgvr | Thanks sephii ... I ahve the feeling the if I use a hosting service that they'll isolate me from the technical information required to run the services I want to offer |
| 10:18.08 | Agiofws | You will have to do a kernel upgrade when upgrading to squeeze, so a reboot will be necessary. ; does happen through the upgrade process ? |
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| 10:18.23 | Agiofws | is not familiar with installing kernels via apt-get |
| 10:18.28 | sephii | dgvr: if you take a dedicated server you'll have full control over your machine |
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| 10:22.01 | Agiofws | upgrade processes in the virtual console provided by the screen |
| 10:22.19 | Agiofws | can anyone tell me how to do that ? |
| 10:22.32 | Agiofws | do log into the other machine with ssh |
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| 10:22.44 | Agiofws | and then run screen on the remote host ? |
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| 10:23.12 | sephii | Agiofws: if you upgrade remotely, do it into a screen session |
| 10:23.22 | sephii | Agiofws: if you upgrade locally, you don't need to do that |
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| 10:24.28 | Agiofws | sephii, i prefer to do it remotely... thats what i am asking how do i do it via a screen session ... i don;t quite remember |
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| 10:25.09 | sephii | Agiofws: launch a new screen session with "screen -S upgrade" and then do you upgrade inside this screen session |
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| 10:25.40 | sephii | Agiofws: then if you get disconnected, use screen -x upgrade to reattach to the screen session |
| 10:26.09 | Agiofws | do i first log into the remote host and then do that ? |
| 10:26.27 | sephii | yep |
| 10:26.29 | Agiofws | probably yes |
| 10:26.37 | Agiofws | ok thanks :) |
| 10:28.13 | Agiofws | using linux for years now finally understands the use of screen |
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| 10:29.22 | Agiofws | sephii, how do i de-attach and re attach ? |
| 10:30.03 | lstarnes | to detach, Ctrl+a d |
| 10:30.18 | lstarnes | to reattach, screen -r |
| 10:31.06 | Agiofws | thank you |
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| 10:48.42 | Agiofws | is there anything wrong with this line ? |
| 10:48.46 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws# gpg updategpg --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu --recv-key 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 10:48.48 | Agiofws | usage: gpg [options] [filename] ? |
| 10:49.01 | lstarnes | updategpg is invalid |
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| 10:49.48 | lstarnes | or at least I think it is |
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| 10:50.00 | ksx4system | http://wklej.org/id/650784/txt/ any idea how to cut this so I can see only first field (time itself, two examples provided)? |
| 10:50.18 | Agiofws | Gah i first have to update to latest Lenny to upgrade to squeeze :P |
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| 10:51.41 | sephii | ksx4system: pipe it to awk '{ print $1 }' |
| 10:52.01 | Agiofws | do i first have to Upgrade to latest lenny before upgrading to squeeze ? |
| 10:52.21 | luckz | I was doing a large upgrade via aptitude and something exploded: "Starting icecast2: Starting icecast2 Detaching from the console icecast2." now I have a '[icecast2.postin] <defunct>' and can't seem to kill that |
| 10:52.42 | luckz | I also have a /usr/bin/dpkg --status-fd 24 --configure for a thousand packages |
| 10:53.01 | luckz | how do I best proceed? |
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| 10:53.40 | luckz | I presume /usr/bin/perl -w /usr/share/debconf/frontend /var/lib/dpkg/info/icecast2.postinst configure 2.3.2-7 is what died |
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| 10:54.21 | Squeezer | Hello everyone! |
| 10:54.54 | Squeezer | I'm new to Debian.. I'm trying to install SQLAlchemy, but in the package manager the latest version is 0.6, and I need to install 0.7.... what should I do? Thanks a lot! |
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| 10:55.52 | bendbanks | Hi all just done a new LVM install Debian Squeeze. Can ping local but not public any thoughts greatly appreciated |
| 10:56.41 | Agiofws | again i would like to ask |
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| 10:56.47 | Agiofws | do i first have to Upgrade to latest lenny before upgrading to squeeze ? |
| 10:56.55 | Agiofws | does that even make sense ? |
| 10:57.02 | lstarnes | Agiofws: what are you using now? (btw, I still see this in scrollback) |
| 10:57.02 | sephii | Agiofws: don't think so |
| 10:57.25 | Agiofws | on the machine i want to upgrade is lenny |
| 10:57.36 | lstarnes | it wouldn't hurt to update first |
| 10:57.47 | luckz | Squeezer: squeeze-backports has 7.x |
| 10:57.51 | luckz | *0.7.x |
| 10:57.53 | Agiofws | already done an update |
| 10:58.10 | Squeezer | luckz: squeeze-backports? |
| 10:58.11 | Agiofws | Upgrade is the owrd though |
| 10:58.13 | luckz | Squeezer: http://backports-master.debian.org/ |
| 10:58.38 | lstarnes | Agiofws: and upgraded to the latest packages available in lenny? |
| 10:58.45 | Squeezer | luckz: thanks a lot! |
| 10:58.49 | Agiofws | is squeeze stable ? |
| 10:58.52 | lstarnes | yes |
| 10:58.58 | lstarnes | lenny is oldstable |
| 10:58.59 | Agiofws | lstarnes, thats what i am asking |
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| 10:59.06 | Agiofws | do i first have to Upgrade to latest lenny before upgrading to squeeze ? |
| 10:59.07 | lstarnes | oh |
| 10:59.21 | lstarnes | Agiofws: probably not, but it wouldn't be a bad idea |
| 11:00.40 | luckz | Agiofws: http://www.debiantutorials.com/upgrade-from-lenny-to-squeeze/ while skipping step one *should* (as the above user said) work |
| 11:01.14 | lstarnes | but do do step 1 first |
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| 11:02.00 | Agiofws | hehe |
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| 11:02.14 | Agiofws | that link is so small and readable |
| 11:02.19 | Agiofws | nothing compared to |
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| 11:02.31 | Agiofws | http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 11:03.05 | luckz | people need something to read while downloading a billion packages on a 56.6k connection :) |
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| 11:03.20 | Agiofws | lol |
| 11:03.42 | Agiofws | were do you live in alaska ? |
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| 11:04.08 | luckz | nah, I have a 50mbit connection at home and my debian has a vastly faster connection available |
| 11:04.36 | luckz | (and I use unstable, so there's a giant lot of updates to download every time I bother telling it to) |
| 11:04.53 | Squeezer | luckz: you're a miracle. Thanks, it worked!! |
| 11:05.06 | Squeezer | jumps around |
| 11:05.11 | luckz | I'm afraid I'm not, but I'm glad I could help |
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| 11:19.15 | dgvr | Hey sephii .... sorry I was away for a bit ... |
| 11:19.20 | dgvr | Thanks for the dedicated server tip |
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| 11:23.44 | spm_Draget | Running debian squeeze on my server. Recently saw that an update wants to update x11-common. Can I somehow find out what pulled x11-common? o.o |
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| 11:26.05 | spm_Draget | aguitel: I assume somewhere in the system/display setings. Go through the menus. Or try googling it, you will probally find hints. If you still have no luck, ask over at #gnome, but only then. |
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| 11:27.00 | aguitel | spm_Draget, ok |
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| 11:36.15 | savr | :how do I get find to print the folder? |
| 11:36.36 | savr | can't seem to make sense of the helpfile |
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| 11:42.46 | Agiofws | does dist-upgrade install a new kernel aswell ? |
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| 11:43.32 | meta-coder | ,versions eclipse-cdt |
| 11:43.34 | judd | Package: eclipse-cdt on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 6.0.2-1~bpo60+1; sid: 8.0.1-1 |
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| 11:44.26 | meta-coder | are squeeze-backports packages as stable as squeeze-stable packages? |
| 11:44.28 | sKeiths | what is difference between reiser4progs and reiserfsprogs ? |
| 11:45.12 | lstarnes | sKeiths: the first is for reiser4. the second is for traditional reiserfs |
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| 11:45.34 | sKeiths | and do you know how you can tell if you are using reiser4? |
| 11:45.52 | lstarnes | did you format a volume as reiser4? |
| 11:45.58 | IRConan | temptation to say "check if your wife is still alive" |
| 11:46.02 | savr | ummm |
| 11:46.03 | lstarnes | also check mount |
| 11:46.22 | savr | anyone mind to help me? |
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| 11:46.26 | Trewas | or "reiser4 was pretty much axed" |
| 11:46.34 | savr | how do I get find to show the folder of the file? |
| 11:46.45 | lstarnes | savr: not the full path? |
| 11:46.50 | sKeiths | it says reiserfs. |
| 11:46.53 | savr | the full path |
| 11:46.54 | lstarnes | savr: but just the directory in which it is located? |
| 11:47.08 | IRConan | sKeiths: that's reiser3 then |
| 11:47.15 | lstarnes | savr: find does that automatically |
| 11:47.22 | savr | it isn't for me |
| 11:47.33 | lstarnes | savr: what exact command are you running? |
| 11:47.41 | savr | find openvpn*.log |
| 11:47.41 | savr | openvpn-status.log |
| 11:48.17 | lstarnes | savr: find / -name openvpn*.log (assuming you want to search the whole filesystem) |
| 11:48.33 | xand | savr: your command would only find files with those names in the current directory |
| 11:48.39 | xand | and not subdirectories |
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| 11:48.46 | savr | oh |
| 11:48.49 | savr | thanks |
| 11:48.56 | xand | also you should put things with * in in quotes |
| 11:49.04 | xand | e.g. find / -name "openvpn*.log" |
| 11:49.11 | savr | it found it |
| 11:49.15 | savr | and it is empty |
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| 11:49.18 | xand | ferret_: stop it! |
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| 11:49.43 | savr | Starting virtual private network daemon: server failed! |
| 11:49.49 | savr | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:49.49 | savr | Starting virtual private network daemon: server failed! |
| 11:49.58 | savr | now this puzzles me |
| 11:49.59 | ferret_ | :( |
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| 11:52.36 | xand | ferret_: :p |
| 11:52.40 | fender0107401 | exit |
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| 12:05.06 | Zap-W | is it possible to create another dos partition table inside a dos partition ? like sda1->sda1p1,sda1p2 ... and how do I access it |
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| 12:07.03 | sephii | yo dawg I heard you wanted to create another dos partition table inside a dos partition |
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| 12:22.24 | Zap-W | sephii: it's for a XEN VPS ! he exported sda1, and sda2 instead of the whole HD |
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| 12:24.01 | babilen | Zap-W: Either use LVMs or complain to support. |
| 12:24.43 | Zap-W | is lvm meta data written at beginning of disk or end |
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| 12:25.41 | Zap-W | cause I need the initrd and kernel files accessible at the first partition by pygrub |
| 12:25.57 | simonlnu | pygrub? |
| 12:26.05 | simonlnu | searches |
| 12:26.06 | babilen | simonlnu: exactly |
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| 12:26.30 | simonlnu | wiki.xen.org/xenwiki/PyGrub |
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| 12:29.31 | mah454 | 1 block = how much byte ? |
| 12:29.50 | me-1 | hi..can Debian squeeze be installed on a imac g3 400mhz with 64mb ram..? |
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| 12:30.25 | sephii | mah454: depends on how the disk is formatted |
| 12:31.30 | xand | me-1: you might have problems with so little RAM |
| 12:31.43 | mah454 | sephii, i insert liveCD and use "fdisk -l" i need calculate partition size with output of this command . |
| 12:32.08 | mah454 | s/insert/use |
| 12:32.14 | me-1 | xand, i can use lxde and can creat a bigger ram..? |
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| 12:33.09 | xand | me-1: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/install.txt.en see section 3.4 |
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| 13:00.22 | PhoenixSTF | hey guys, is there anyway to view another console session? |
| 13:00.41 | nkuttler | PhoenixSTF: screen/tmux? |
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| 13:01.05 | PhoenixSTF | nkuttler, but can i interact with it to? |
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| 13:01.45 | nkuttler | PhoenixSTF: sure |
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| 13:04.34 | PhoenixSTF | nkuttler, witch one tu use then, gnu screen or tmux? |
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| 13:06.37 | sephii | PhoenixSTF: try both and choose the one you prefer |
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| 13:12.33 | ws2k3 | how can i see the mail that is in queue to be send? |
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| 13:13.03 | abrotman | ws2k3: which MTA? |
| 13:13.33 | ws2k3 | i dont use an MTA i use a tool to just send mail |
| 13:13.40 | ws2k3 | but i have forgotten its name |
| 13:13.59 | trist4n | lol |
| 13:14.03 | trist4n | what program, then. |
| 13:14.18 | abrotman | ws2k3: then i guess you should figure that out before you ask us how to see how much mail is in the queu? |
| 13:14.21 | abrotman | queue? |
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| 13:15.10 | ws2k3 | something like ssmtp |
| 13:15.34 | nkuttler | that's an mta.. |
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| 13:15.44 | nkuttler | ws2k3: look in /var/spool/ |
| 13:15.56 | abrotman | gives an answer something like .. read the docs |
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| 13:16.27 | ws2k3 | nullmailer |
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| 13:17.40 | ws2k3 | but how can i see what mail is in queue? |
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| 13:19.18 | jelly | ws2k3: mailq |
| 13:19.40 | jelly | ws2k3: or man nullmailer and hunt from there. |
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| 13:26.58 | os_ | hi |
| 13:27.45 | os_ | hp printer doesn't work if i plug it when computer running |
| 13:28.22 | os_ | i need to restart computer to print something |
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| 13:28.46 | os_ | or excute hp-probe as a root |
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| 13:28.57 | os_ | any help? |
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| 13:35.09 | Agiofws | hello |
| 13:35.24 | Agiofws | doing apt-get upgrade install me a new kernel and updates grub aswell with a new kernel line in grub or will i have to issue a special command to update and install a new debian kernel ? |
| 13:35.48 | Agiofws | http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/index.php |
| 13:36.40 | babilen | Agiofws: No - And why do you paste an URL to that website? (which, btw, endorses to break your system) |
| 13:38.04 | Agiofws | huh ? |
| 13:38.10 | Agiofws | why ? |
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| 13:38.37 | Agiofws | is there an official source generator ? |
| 13:39.07 | babilen | No, but there is a list of mirrors and the sources.list format is well documented. |
| 13:39.15 | babilen | !tell Agiofws -about about mirrors |
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| 13:40.24 | Agiofws | !dpkg about mirrors |
| 13:40.39 | Agiofws | !tell Agiofws about mirrors |
| 13:40.43 | babilen | Agiofws: You can always use something like "deb http://ftp.CC.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main [contrib non-free]" (where CC is replaced with your country's code) or "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main [contrib non-free]" which uses GeoIP to find the closest mirror to you. |
| 13:41.03 | abrotman | !tell Agiofws about selftell |
| 13:41.08 | babilen | Agiofws: "/msg dpkg mirrors" -- Sorry for the double "about" :) |
| 13:41.58 | babilen | Agiofws: [] merely indicate optional suites |
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| 13:42.37 | Agiofws | i think the documentation is not suffiecient of what to include in your source.list to upgrade |
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| 13:42.51 | babilen | Agiofws: Upgrade from what to what? |
| 13:43.15 | Agiofws | lenny to squeeze |
| 13:43.25 | babilen | !tell Agiofws -about release notes |
| 13:44.04 | Agiofws | i am cautious there is a udev isue as far as i can remember is i don't want to reboot untill i am sure a have a new debian kernel on this system |
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| 13:44.53 | babilen | Agiofws: Please read (and follow!) the release notes for squeeze. They are quite detailed and you shouldn't run into problems. It also eases support if you can just say: I am at step X.Y.Z in the release notes, my script(1) so far is here: http://paste... and I experience the following error: http://paste.. :) |
| 13:44.56 | Agiofws | what are firmware images ? |
| 13:45.11 | Agiofws | I HAVE i am following them |
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| 13:45.28 | Agiofws | no problem yet ... i think |
| 13:45.38 | Agiofws | i am at STEP apt-get upgrade |
| 13:45.48 | babilen | Agiofws: Great! Firmware images are semi-unofficial netinstall images that contain firmware, which is needed for a number of devices. |
| 13:46.47 | babilen | Agiofws: So, once again: The answer to your initial question is: "The former" |
| 13:47.40 | babilen | Agiofws: You can also take a look at /boot/grub/grub.cfg and "ls -l /boot/" :) |
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| 13:53.17 | Agiofws | babilen, ok new kernel image is installed |
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| 13:53.59 | Agiofws | i wonder now if i have to reboot to a new kernel and then upgrade udev ... or before or maybe its already upgraded |
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| 13:57.39 | babilen | Agiofws: You install the kernel and upgrade udev immediately afterwards. After you've done that you reboot your system and proceed with the upgrade. This is detailed in http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgrading-udev |
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| 14:24.29 | Agiofws | how do you re install or reconfigure a package ? |
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| 14:26.45 | Agiofws | do i HAVE to reboot and the do a apt-get dist upgrade ? |
| 14:27.01 | savr | dpkh-reconfigure |
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| 14:28.03 | jelly | Agiofws: yes, you HAVE to reboot as part of that procedure. |
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| 14:28.22 | Agiofws | ya i just saw that in release notes |
| 14:28.30 | Agiofws | i home my wifi card will ok ... |
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| 14:31.53 | jelly | Agiofws: I'd try to keep a wired ethernet backup ready in case of forgetting firmware or problems with newer kernel |
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| 14:34.37 | Agiofws | sh i t |
| 14:34.44 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$ssh 192.168.3.21 |
| 14:34.49 | Agiofws | ssh: connect to host 192.168.3.21 port 22: No route to host |
| 14:35.38 | Agiofws | i have to install the wifi cards firmware in /lib/firmware ? |
| 14:35.45 | Agiofws | jelly, ? |
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| 14:36.03 | Agiofws | or can i get apt-get take care ? |
| 14:36.18 | Agiofws | or will upt-get upgrade take care ? |
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| 14:38.06 | pythonsnake_ | Hello. |
| 14:38.56 | brbrbr | hi |
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| 14:39.33 | pythonsnake_ | I would like to know if it is possible to get the latest Firefox version, 8.0.1, with Squeeze? If yes, how? |
| 14:39.40 | jelly | Agiofws: you'll have to do the dsame thing you made last time to make it work again, in case the newer kernel needs a newer firmware. |
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| 14:40.18 | sephii | pythonsnake_: you can download the tar.gz from the Mozilla website, extract it somewhere in your home dir and launch firefox with ./firefox |
| 14:40.25 | jelly | Agiofws: I have no idea about the specifics, but typically the non-free repository carries firmware packages for wifi interfaces. |
| 14:41.14 | jelly | Agiofws: so, verify that you have the <non-free sources> enabled, and find out which package has the firmware for your card. |
| 14:41.20 | pythonsnake_ | sephii, is it possible to install it? |
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| 14:42.04 | brbrbr | mozilla distribute pre-compiled agnostic binaries too ) use their SeaMonkey, somethimes, for example ) |
| 14:42.31 | sephii | pythonsnake_: system-wide? probably, yes, but I'd advise you to stay with Iceweasel except if you have good reasons to do otherwise |
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| 14:43.43 | pythonsnake_ | sephii, I wanted to install AdBlock Plus, but it says that it isn't compatible with my version of IceWeasel |
| 14:43.52 | pythonsnake_ | 3.5.16 |
| 14:44.09 | sephii | pythonsnake_: so you're on stable I suppose? |
| 14:44.17 | pythonsnake_ | Yes, Squeeze |
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| 14:45.24 | rly | Is there some way to mark all keyboard input as havin super user rights? |
| 14:45.30 | rly | having* |
| 14:46.13 | sephii | pythonsnake_: maybe check in the backports if there's a newer iceweasel version |
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| 14:48.39 | sephii | pythonsnake_: there's also a package named xul-ext-adblock-plus maybe you should try that |
| 14:48.52 | pythonsnake_ | "Your keyword was too generic." |
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| 14:49.33 | pythonsnake_ | for "iceweasel" |
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| 14:50.03 | Justin | pythonsnake_: there is a package for adblock plus |
| 14:50.45 | pythonsnake_ | Trying it |
| 14:51.15 | jelly | pythonsnake_: if you'd like to keep using packaging of Iceweasel by Debian maintainer people, visit mozilla.debian.net |
| 14:51.44 | jelly | !mdn |
| 14:51.45 | dpkg | Backports of the Iceweasel web browser and Icedove mail client are not available from <debian backports>. See http://mozilla.debian.net/ for newer Iceweasel and Icedove for squeeze, wheezy or sid. Work continues to get the packages into the official archive without breaking too many other xul-using applications. Also ask me about <transition>, <squeeze-backports>, <testing>. |
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| 14:52.33 | jelly | (personally I find it simpler to use mozilla tarballs unpacked under my own username, but ymmv) |
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| 14:53.11 | pythonsnake_ | What's the version "release" of Iceweasel? |
| 14:55.22 | jelly | pythonsnake_: whatever upstream (Mozilla) consider to be the official release version. 8.0.1 at present time, I think |
| 14:55.41 | jelly | actual numbers change fast, thus "release" |
| 14:55.55 | jelly | pythonsnake_: you want that one, yes |
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| 14:56.43 | pythonsnake_ | Is it safe to install from backport? |
| 14:56.54 | pythonsnake_ | Will it break system's stability? |
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| 14:57.46 | Justin | a browser? the most that will break is.. the browser |
| 14:58.22 | oobe | is it possible to put a kernel cmd option into a config somewhere so I dont have to manually edit grub.cfg each time I upgrade a kernel package? |
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| 14:58.34 | Justin | oobe: what does the top of grub.cfg say? |
| 14:59.05 | jordanm | oobe: its LINUX_CMDLINE or similar in /etc/default/grub |
| 14:59.07 | oobe | ah ok thanks Justin |
| 14:59.08 | jelly | Justin: except there are other apps using xulrunner, not just the browser. Eg. Thunderbird / Icedove. |
| 14:59.31 | jordanm | oobe: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT |
| 14:59.49 | Justin | jelly: one would likely also install that from backports |
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| 14:59.54 | oobe | yep got it thanks |
| 15:00.25 | DummyMode | is there a way to see which are the changes involved in a package before performing apt-get upgrade? |
| 15:00.37 | jelly | pythonsnake_: if the build is made specifically for your Debian release (squeeze), it probably won't break too many other unrelated apps or services. |
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| 15:01.28 | jelly | DummyMode: if you install apt-listchanges, it will show or mail the changelog after downloading, but before doing the actual installation of upgraded packages. |
| 15:02.14 | DummyMode | interesting.. |
| 15:02.40 | jelly | DummyMode: you can also manually look up the new Candidate version using "apt-cache policy packagename" and read the changelog using "aptitude changelog packagename" or "aptitude changelog packagename=versionnumber" |
| 15:04.25 | DummyMode | nice, the idea is not to upgrade for the simple fact of upgrading a package, I need to know if the package actualization is regarding a security issue or just a new package version, new features. |
| 15:04.42 | DummyMode | and analize if that will break things on my system |
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| 15:05.17 | jhutchins_lt | DummyMode: Are you not running stable with all Debian packages? |
| 15:06.00 | DummyMode | running 6.03 yes, no testing, no devel |
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| 15:08.16 | jhutchins_lt | DummyMode: You can find some assurance then in the fact that package updates have been tested to make sure they don't break other packages. It's not an absolute certainty, but they've probably been screened more closely than you can screen them. |
| 15:08.40 | jhutchins_lt | DummyMode: If you need tighter control than that you run a test system to stage upgrades before pushing them to production. |
| 15:08.47 | pythonsnake_ | Thank you |
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| 15:08.57 | jhutchins_lt | DummyMode: You also make backups before upgrades so you can roll back any problems. |
| 15:09.48 | pythonsnake_ | Hmm |
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| 15:10.12 | DummyMode | thanks for the advice |
| 15:10.25 | pythonsnake_ | After having added entries in source.list, I got the following error when I update: "W: GPG error: http://mozilla.debian.net squeeze-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 85A3D26506C4AE2A" |
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| 15:11.34 | jhutchins_lt | pythonsnake_: Go to http://mozilla.debian.net and read the instructions. You'll find the answer about 11 lines down. |
| 15:11.48 | pythonsnake_ | Ok |
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| 15:16.18 | pythonsnake_ | E: Unable to locate package pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring |
| 15:17.33 | Zap-W | has anyone seen a limit of 30mbit tops of bandwidth in xl2tpd |
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| 15:18.08 | pythonsnake_ | Nevermind |
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| 15:19.07 | jhutchins_lt | pythonsnake_: It'll work if you hold your tongue just right. |
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| 15:20.26 | pythonsnake_ | jhutchins_lt, what? |
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| 15:24.05 | leafwiz_ | Hey. I have been googeling a bit. I am trying to install a package with its dependencies on a remote system offline. synaptic has a feature to generate a download script. The only thing it dosent download _all_ the dependent packages. Ony some. |
| 15:24.43 | leafwiz_ | Is there a way to download all the dependant pakgags , for which i can tar, and upload to my offline debian install? |
| 15:25.21 | leafwiz_ | I'v also looked at apt-offline. But it seemed to only be about upgrading a system |
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| 15:29.16 | savr | hi |
| 15:29.19 | savr | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 15:29.19 | savr | iptables: No chain/target/match by that name. |
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| 15:29.36 | qr223 | hi savr i use iptables sometimes too |
| 15:29.39 | qr223 | nice command you've got there |
| 15:29.54 | savr | anyone mind helping me debug what I'm doing wrong? |
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| 15:30.13 | savr | following http://www.debiantutorials.com/installing-and-configuring-pptp-vpn-server-on-lenny/ |
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| 15:30.33 | jelly | savr: running inside a VPS with limited iptables support, perhaps? |
| 15:30.34 | jhutchins_lt | savr: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
| 15:30.50 | savr | jelly: I'm in a vps |
| 15:31.02 | jelly | savr: there's your answer |
| 15:31.15 | savr | so…. |
| 15:31.22 | savr | what do I do? |
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| 15:31.33 | savr | I just want pptpd to work |
| 15:31.35 | jelly | savr: get a fully virtualized machine with its own kernel |
| 15:32.37 | jelly | or forget pptpd (and really, if you get a decent VM, use OpenVPN instead) |
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| 15:33.36 | jelly | savr: what's the reason for choosing pptp? |
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| 15:34.18 | savr | because I tried setting up openvpn |
| 15:34.42 | savr | it was failing to start |
| 15:34.47 | savr | I was looking for logs |
| 15:35.12 | savr | …. basically it was taking too long so I'm trying something simpler |
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| 15:36.55 | Justin | openvpn is simple |
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| 15:38.02 | savr | the server was failing to start |
| 15:38.07 | Justin | why? |
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| 15:38.13 | savr | and I could not find any logs |
| 15:38.14 | savr | don't know |
| 15:38.23 | savr | assuming botch config file somewhere |
| 15:38.39 | savr | was hoping an error would point to the right direction |
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| 15:38.55 | savr | now I can not get my mac to connect to pptpd |
| 15:39.06 | savr | am I doomed not to have a vpn? |
| 15:39.24 | Justin | if you give up that easily, ye |
| 15:39.25 | Justin | s |
| 15:39.43 | savr | I am not giving up |
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| 15:39.59 | savr | I just have useless errors that I don't know how to debug |
| 15:40.16 | Justin | go back to openvpn, read the log files, they will tell you what is wrong |
| 15:40.21 | savr | "You were disconnected by the communication device. Try reconnecting. If the problem continues, verify your settings." |
| 15:40.29 | savr | Justin: what log files? |
| 15:40.34 | Justin | the ones in /var/log |
| 15:40.42 | savr | where were you a 1 hour ago |
| 15:40.48 | savr | Justin: it was empty |
| 15:41.37 | Justin | the openvpn configuration has a 'verb' line in it where you can change the logging level |
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| 15:41.45 | savr | screw it |
| 15:41.51 | savr | ssh -D here I come |
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| 15:42.54 | Ring0` | Hi. I'm not sure if I understand the changelog correctly, is it said there that in 5.3.3-2 FPM was removed completly? (since it exists in 5.3.3 core) http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/p/php5/php5_5.3.3-7+squeeze3/changelog.html |
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| 15:43.23 | abrotman | Ring0`: yes |
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| 15:44.22 | Ring0` | Heh, that's weird, it was removed from php5 package as well as php5-fpm from repos. So basicly they completly threw away fpm from stable repos? |
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| 15:45.26 | abrotman | Ring0`: yes, totally gone |
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| 15:45.49 | Ring0` | :| |
| 15:46.38 | abrotman | :) |
| 15:46.40 | savr | hugs ssh -D |
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| 15:48.09 | Ring0` | There was something wrong with it? |
| 15:49.28 | abrotman | no, nothing wrong, they just removed it cauesit was a slow day at the store |
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| 15:49.36 | abrotman | !removal resaons |
| 15:49.41 | abrotman | !removals |
| 15:49.42 | dpkg | The log of Debian package removals (including removal reasons) for this year is at http://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.txt ; for logs of previous years, see http://ftp-master.debian.org/#removed . For pending removals see http://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.html |
| 15:49.48 | abrotman | you can try to find out why |
| 15:49.55 | abrotman | judd: rm php5-fpm |
| 15:50.11 | balboah | just trying out dump/restore backups, which failed on the incremental dump with "deleteino: out of range 0". I wonder what that means |
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| 15:50.15 | abrotman | apparently judd thinks i'm crazy .. which is fine |
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| 15:55.03 | gihad | Hey, is there an easy way to install Apache Thrift 0.5 in Debian stable ? |
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| 15:56.45 | abrotman | are there any packages at all yet? |
| 15:57.18 | abrotman | !dbugs 524135 |
| 15:57.23 | dpkg | DONE:#524135:W[wnpp] ITP: thrift -- software framework for scalable cross-language services development (wontfix); Wed, 15 Apr 2009 02:27:16 UTC [] |
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| 15:59.42 | Justin | protocol buffers is in debian :) |
| 16:00.21 | abrotman | gihad: so it looks like they did eaach part indivudually |
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| 16:00.53 | abrotman | gihad: but still none are in Debian yet |
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| 16:01.11 | ilikenwf | so, i've been using a refurb hitachi deathstar for about a year and i fear she may be failing |
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| 16:01.21 | ilikenwf | i've been getting logcheck emails like this all week: |
| 16:01.37 | ilikenwf | http://pastebin.com/BrBKWRVa |
| 16:01.42 | ilikenwf | any ideas? |
| 16:01.50 | abrotman | gihad: see bug 648451 |
| 16:01.51 | ilikenwf | everything's still reading and writing correctly |
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| 16:02.00 | ilikenwf | and a short SMART self test went fine |
| 16:02.11 | abrotman | super bad |
| 16:02.27 | abrotman | assuming sda1 is your HDD .. get your data now |
| 16:02.36 | ilikenwf | well, it's my data drive |
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| 16:02.39 | ilikenwf | root's on a different one |
| 16:02.46 | abrotman | so? do you want your data or not ? |
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| 16:02.49 | ilikenwf | i think it's still under warranty though |
| 16:03.01 | ilikenwf | (like i want another deathstar) |
| 16:03.20 | ilikenwf | i should probably ssh in and shut it down then? |
| 16:03.27 | ilikenwf | or let it keep spinning when i get home? |
| 16:03.35 | abrotman | i would backup my data first .. if you shut it down, it may not start again |
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| 16:03.46 | abrotman | good luck |
| 16:03.53 | ilikenwf | it will, the drive isn't making noise or anything - i think it's more likely a controller issue |
| 16:04.05 | abrotman | okay .. your data, not mine |
| 16:04.05 | ilikenwf | may need firmware or something |
| 16:04.18 | ilikenwf | well, i have a spare 1tb (same make/model :( ) |
| 16:04.23 | ilikenwf | so i'll back it up when i get home... |
| 16:04.29 | ilikenwf | but then i may yet try to fix it |
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| 16:04.41 | ilikenwf | at least i can hot swap |
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| 16:06.26 | ilikenwf | yeah, 3 years parts and labor on the drive |
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| 16:06.46 | ilikenwf | no reason not to swap and send it in then |
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| 16:08.48 | ilikenwf | abrotman: is it faster to rsync my data or should i use dd an image it over? i think its ~750gb or so |
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| 16:09.57 | Justin | if the new drive is empty cp is generally faster for the initial copy |
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| 16:10.06 | ilikenwf | than even rsync? |
| 16:10.10 | qrq | Ubuntu recognise my sd card reader , on Debian even grep scsi don't see it. |
| 16:10.31 | jordanm | ilikenwf: for a first local copy, yes. http://lwn.net/Articles/400489/ |
| 16:10.32 | qrq | What can be a solution for that? |
| 16:10.40 | ilikenwf | probably a nonfree driver |
| 16:10.44 | johndoe | im trying to run screen+irssi after reboot with crontab - "@reboot /usr/bin/zsh /usr/bin/screen -d -m /usr/bin/irssi", but im getting an error - http://pastebin.com/3b9Kd7T9 |
| 16:10.50 | qrq | ilikenwf Which :D |
| 16:11.08 | ilikenwf | well, i'd need to know what sd card reader your system has |
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| 16:11.17 | ilikenwf | or what module you used with it in your last distro |
| 16:11.26 | Justin | ilikenwf: rsync is optimized for synchronizing data over slow links, that doesn't really by you anything but extra overhead when you are simply moving data between two disks |
| 16:11.50 | jordanm | johndoe: looks like you clobbered your screen binary, or you are executing it through bash |
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| 16:12.08 | qrq | firmware-linux-nonfree? :D |
| 16:12.13 | Justin | jordanm: you should not have /usr/bin/zsh there |
| 16:12.24 | gihad | So there is no way to easily install Apache Thrift I guess |
| 16:12.31 | johndoe | jordanm: i tried running screen normally, works ok. maybe it was messed up during the reboot that took place? |
| 16:12.40 | Justin | jordanm: and you shouldn't have any of the '/usr/bin/'s there in general, /usr/bin will be in the PATH |
| 16:12.52 | Justin | grr, I can't spell today |
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| 16:13.13 | Justin | johndoe: read what I said to jordanm |
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| 16:15.03 | johndoe | Justin: hmm, it worked up until now with that zsh part. ill try without that. but remove the '/usr/bin' prefix? thats just plain asking for trouble |
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| 16:15.30 | Justin | johndoe: no, it never worked with the zsh part, and removing /usr/bin is not asking for trouble |
| 16:15.36 | qrq | I cannot say really what kind of driver was that.... |
| 16:15.46 | ilikenwf | is it usb or built in? |
| 16:16.03 | ilikenwf | if built in, do lspci and put the output in a pastebin |
| 16:16.03 | qrq | usb sd card reader |
| 16:16.06 | ilikenwf | ok |
| 16:16.11 | ilikenwf | then do lsusb and put that in pastebin |
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| 16:16.30 | ilikenwf | with the reader plugged in |
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| 16:17.26 | qrq | http://pastebin.com/11b5NMkj |
| 16:17.54 | ilikenwf | sorry - i thought it was built in |
| 16:17.58 | ilikenwf | i need the output of lsusb |
| 16:18.02 | qrq | It is not :D |
| 16:18.03 | jordanm | !ath5k |
| 16:18.03 | dpkg | ath5k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11a/bg PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets. Included in Debian Linux kernels since version 2.6.24. It does not require firmware from userspace. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k for more information and supported devices. For 802.11n PCI/PCI-E device support, ask me about <ath9k>. |
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| 16:18.33 | qrq | There must be some non free kindausbpack :D |
| 16:18.50 | ilikenwf | i can tell you if you'll pastebin lsusb :) |
| 16:19.42 | qrq | http://pastebin.com/5pH6ygtH |
| 16:19.51 | qrq | Nothing spectacular :D |
| 16:20.00 | ilikenwf | was that with your device plugged in? |
| 16:20.05 | qrq | Yes |
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| 16:20.20 | ilikenwf | ok, then try a different usb port |
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| 16:20.56 | ilikenwf | if that doesn't work, your best bet is to google for a kernel module for that brand/make/model device and cross your fingers |
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| 16:21.19 | qrq | dmesg | grep scsi doesnt show this device |
| 16:21.34 | qrq | -_- |
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| 16:22.51 | Justin | ilikenwf: if the device does not show up in lsusb then now amount of kernel modules will get it to work |
| 16:23.01 | ilikenwf | true |
| 16:23.08 | ilikenwf | unless it's a bad usb port |
| 16:23.12 | Justin | or a broken device |
| 16:23.17 | ilikenwf | ^ |
| 16:23.22 | qrq | It is not broken. |
| 16:23.29 | ilikenwf | does it work under another os? |
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| 16:23.41 | qrq | It worked on Ubuntu out of box |
| 16:24.13 | Justin | on the same computer? |
| 16:24.16 | qrq | Yes |
| 16:24.22 | qrq | 2 hours ago :D |
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| 16:24.31 | qrq | And it works on Windows :D |
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| 16:26.04 | sephii | qrq: what about dmesg events? |
| 16:26.35 | qrq | Nothing about USB device |
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| 16:26.57 | Agiofws | 225 upgraded, 309 newly installed, 41 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 16:26.58 | Agiofws | Need to get 459 MB of archives |
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| 16:27.09 | gihad | What is the problem of installing Maven3 and Apache Thrift system wide (via apt-get) instead of locally ? |
| 16:27.21 | gihad | (my superior is not happy) |
| 16:28.04 | wildzeck | is old fashion |
| 16:28.33 | wildzeck | your superior is old fashion |
| 16:29.00 | wildzeck | i'm still using ifconfig instead of ip |
| 16:29.32 | qrq | I have installed libccid package |
| 16:29.38 | qrq | Maybe this is it |
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| 16:32.53 | qrq | Its not working |
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| 16:34.48 | dobber | hm, there are no libpq5 & libpq-dev for amd64 architecture ? http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/postgresql-9.0/ |
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| 16:36.50 | jordanm | dobber: looks likes its been removed and only the security update is available |
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| 16:37.26 | jordanm | dobber: http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/p/postgresql-8.4/ |
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| 16:37.49 | dobber | well i switched to 9.0, now all my servers require it |
| 16:38.08 | dobber | and somehow on one of them, libpq for 9.1 was installed |
| 16:38.13 | dobber | now my triggers fail to compile |
| 16:38.40 | hikenboot1 | is anyone familiar with XFS and data deduplication features..can this be enabled on a 2.6.32-6 kernel or is deduplication only in later kernel support for XFS? |
| 16:39.28 | talexb | hikenboot1, The only thing I've heard about XFS is that it's not really ready for prime time. |
| 16:39.40 | abrotman | yes it is |
| 16:39.41 | abrotman | wtf |
| 16:39.44 | dobber | yes it is! |
| 16:39.50 | abrotman | XFS has been in use for 20 years? |
| 16:39.52 | dobber | i've been using it for gazillion years |
| 16:40.04 | dobber | still much better than ext4 |
| 16:40.06 | xand | talexb: hilarious. |
| 16:40.18 | abrotman | next he'll say JFS is immature |
| 16:40.23 | talexb | hikenboot1, OK then .. these gentlepeople will help you out. |
| 16:40.36 | dobber | nah... |
| 16:40.40 | abrotman | there is a #xfs also |
| 16:40.55 | abrotman | and what hikenboot1 is asking is kind of a try and see |
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| 16:41.25 | talexb | abrotman, Cool -- just passing along what I'd heard .. haven't used it myself. |
| 16:41.26 | balboah | so, can one create filesystem snapshots on ext3? Or how would you create a consistent backup dump? it doesn't seem like I'm able to with dump / restore |
| 16:41.52 | abrotman | define consistent |
| 16:42.17 | hikenboot1 | thanks for the #xfs abrotman |
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| 16:42.44 | balboah | when I'm doing incremental dumps and then try to restore them I get "deleteino: out of range 0", my guess is that the files change while I dump it |
| 16:42.49 | ole | Hi, is it possible to use WPA2-PSK during debian install? |
| 16:42.53 | ole | I only get prompted for WEP |
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| 16:43.16 | abrotman | talexb: there was an issue maybe .. five years ago .. XFS had issues (well, really, all journaling FSes did) if power was killed .. been fixed for a very long time |
| 16:43.22 | abrotman | ole: no, sorry |
| 16:43.39 | balboah | abrotman: so my definition of consistency in this case would be that the files it dumps shouldn't be changing |
| 16:43.42 | ole | alright, I guess its some licensing issue then? |
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| 16:43.48 | talexb | abrotman, Good to know, thanks. |
| 16:44.07 | hikenboot1 | datadeduplication and good xfs support is in nexentastor ...and i ran that for a year heavily with no issues what so every |
| 16:44.13 | hikenboot1 | s/every/ever |
| 16:44.20 | tharkun | ole: Actually to use WPA you need a more sofisticated set up which is not currently available |
| 16:44.48 | xand | and you can't use ipv6 either :'( |
| 16:44.49 | hikenboot1 | its my prefered file system as of date except its uncanny ability to suck up large amounts of memory |
| 16:44.57 | talexb | BTW I've used ZFS (OpenSolaris) on my home NFS server .. works great. |
| 16:45.06 | xand | /etc/network/interfaces needs an update to not use crappy old ifconfig/ipv4 |
| 16:45.14 | balboah | talexb: and it's still maintained under freebsd now |
| 16:45.31 | hikenboot1 | my nexentastor had 12 gigiabit assigned to it in order to utilize a gigabit ethernet iscsi stream |
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| 16:46.00 | hikenboot1 | just info for those who dont see it as being ready for use |
| 16:46.36 | hikenboot1 | well i am off to #xfs for now thanks |
| 16:46.41 | Justin | hikenboot1: I'm running debian/kfreebsd at home for ZFS, works great |
| 16:46.50 | Justin | and you don't have to deal with a brain dead userland :) |
| 16:47.39 | hikenboot1 | Justin: you talking about the port to linux to get around licensing issues between oracle and gnu licensing? |
| 16:47.49 | ole | tharkun: that means I wont be able to use WPA2-PSK at all, even after install? |
| 16:47.58 | Justin | no, debian/kfreebsd is debian on top of the freebsd kernel |
| 16:48.24 | tharkun | ole: it means you install and then you make your setup to use WPA2-PSK with all the tools allready available |
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| 16:49.11 | balboah | is there some preferred backup solution for linux over dump / restore? Since I really found that one from freebsd which can snapshot the file system |
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| 16:49.40 | hikenboot1 | right now i am running a linux kernel not a kfreebsd version had problems with support of Proxmox and I really like Proxmox for a gui interface...its almost at a professional level IMHO |
| 16:49.41 | Justin | balboah: depends what you are backing up |
| 16:49.44 | ole | alright then tharkun :) |
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| 16:49.58 | balboah | Justin: I'm looking for a solution that can do incremental backups and that can restore a whole drive as is |
| 16:50.25 | Justin | a drive containing what? |
| 16:51.17 | hikenboot1 | in case anyone is interested i have assembled an article on debian /XFS/Proxmox and KVM which still needs some work but here it is for anyone interested....http://wanfuse.blogspot.com/2011/12/setting-up-iscsi-on-debian-windows.html |
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| 16:51.33 | balboah | Justin: will be mostly configuration files and debian installations. Some servers might have a few bigger data files |
| 16:51.38 | qrq | By the way wodim rocks :D |
| 16:52.00 | Justin | balboah: are you backing up one machine or lots of machines? |
| 16:52.05 | balboah | Justin: lots |
| 16:52.11 | balboah | Justin: to keep in a central place |
| 16:52.22 | Justin | I like backuppc for backing up a lot of machines. it does pooling/deduplication |
| 16:52.36 | Justin | so backing up 20 debian machines takes up about the same space as backing up 1 |
| 16:52.49 | balboah | Justin: ah, sounds intersting, I have a lot of clones. |
| 16:52.54 | hikenboot1 | just note cluster disks with MSCS as i have assembled is not yet supported because of a limitation of shared disks in the 2.6.32-6 kernel which is taken care of in one of the newest 2.6 kernels |
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| 16:55.34 | balboah | Justin: did you use it for long? and actually restored something? :) |
| 16:55.53 | Justin | balboah: for a few years now.. i've only restored things once or twice |
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| 16:56.26 | balboah | Justin: looks easy enough with the interface and all |
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| 17:07.01 | DemonWitch | can someone tell me how to zoom out, shrink the text in links/elinks? i try to view the documentation but words are cut off, its like its zoomed in. |
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| 17:11.54 | xand | wonders how you could do that in a terminal app. |
| 17:11.56 | xand | @.@ |
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| 17:12.18 | gihad | Anyone know the equivalent of mercurial.ini(windows) in debian ? |
| 17:12.52 | engla | gihad: does man hg have anything? |
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| 17:17.28 | dgvr | I've checked out my ISP and my domain name supplier but there's no obvious .... "Get your public IP address here" type area on their websites |
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| 17:18.02 | cthuluh | maybe do they have a phone number then? |
| 17:18.36 | gihad | engla: 'hg help config' helped |
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| 17:21.30 | balboah | Justin: do you know if it's hard to restore a whole system with correct permissions and what not using backuppc? |
| 17:22.13 | Dagger3 | if "public IP address" is your only requirement, tunnelbroker.net ;-) |
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| 17:22.45 | DexterF | hi |
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| 17:23.11 | DexterF | is there a standard busybox in debian? if: how do I get there? |
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| 17:24.16 | cthuluh | standard as in? |
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| 17:28.29 | DexterF | cthuluh: if I install debian "normally" is there a busybox I can access from the boot menu? |
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| 17:32.50 | cthuluh | DexterF: not directly ; you could use init=/bin/ash, with /bin/ash being a link to busybox |
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| 17:33.22 | DexterF | cthuluh: just what i need, thanks |
| 17:33.23 | thewanderer1 | or there are vty2 and vty3 which actually have a shell running |
| 17:33.25 | cthuluh | DexterF: perhaps do you want to create a standalone rescue partition with just a static busybox on it? |
| 17:33.55 | cthuluh | hmmm, I thought he was talking about getting a shell out of grub |
| 17:34.06 | cthuluh | not during the installation process |
| 17:34.16 | DexterF | exactly |
| 17:34.44 | cthuluh | be careful, though ; your system will be merely usable |
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| 17:35.04 | DexterF | need to backup / , just that. so dd and access to a usb drive is enough |
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| 17:56.46 | DexterF | duh. usb keyb not enabled in bios.... |
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| 18:00.28 | athena_ | hello |
| 18:00.42 | athena_ | what file does grub2 use menu.lst ? |
| 18:00.57 | athena_ | do i edit that in grub2 ? |
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| 18:02.25 | thewanderer1 | athena_, grub2 uses /boot/grub/grub.cfg; it is NOT supposed to be edited by hand - edit /etc/default/grub and possibly see /etc/grub.d/README |
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| 18:03.07 | athena_ | do i have to run any command after editing like Lilo ? |
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| 18:04.11 | Amarande | hmmmm. |
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| 18:04.25 | Amarande | On squeeze, what normally automatically accesses and puts in-use a USB camera device when it is hooked up? |
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| 18:04.55 | Amarande | When I hook up my camera to copy pictures over, gphoto2 complains because it can't lock the device as it is "already in use", but I'm not sure what program on squeeze is taking control of the camera |
| 18:05.19 | Amarande | (and "fuser" is not much help, since I don't know what the actual device node it's being assigned by udev is, either) |
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| 18:08.30 | athena_ | thewanderer1, where do i edit my kernel entries ? |
| 18:09.36 | thewanderer1 | athena_, you don't... why would you want to do that? GRUB2 auto-detects your installed kernels. |
| 18:09.48 | thewanderer1 | and yes, you do need to run "update-grub" |
| 18:09.53 | loot | hi, anyone got an idea at what point the screen gets cleared on the vt after bootup and right before the login prompt appears? disabling slim (login manager) didnt help, no clues in /etc/init.d/rc* or /etc/inittab and also nothing at all for grep -ri clear /etc |
| 18:10.13 | athena_ | thewanderer1, because its filled up with stupid old entries ... |
| 18:10.15 | loot | that behaviour is absolutely stupid caus it clears all the warnings/error messages :( |
| 18:10.27 | athena_ | and i'd like to issue what kernel I would like to load |
| 18:10.38 | vtts | loot, have a look at /var/log |
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| 18:10.53 | thewanderer1 | athena_, tried update-grub? |
| 18:10.58 | loot | vtts: nope! no messages in dmesg/kern/messages/syslog |
| 18:11.03 | vtts | :/ |
| 18:11.07 | loot | vtts: wish they'd end up at least there |
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| 18:14.25 | loot | shake$ fi$t |
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| 18:14.54 | isaqual | any idea how i can install latest nginx on lenny ? offically latests in lenny is 6.2x and it is way too old.. |
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| 18:17.08 | jhutchins2 | isaqual: Too old for what? |
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| 18:18.04 | tharkun | isaqual: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 18:18.25 | isaqual | jhutchins2: I mean nginx is too old.. there is not even offically supported that version anymore |
| 18:18.32 | tharkun | ,versions nginx |
| 18:18.33 | judd | Package: nginx on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-backports: 0.7.67-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.7.67-3; squeeze-backports: 1.1.8-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.1.8-2; sid: 1.1.11-1 |
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| 18:18.55 | tharkun | isaqual: have you considered upgrading to squeeze? |
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| 18:19.04 | jhutchins2 | isaqual: Too old for what? It's supported by Debian. It's not like you're gonna get a call center or anything. |
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| 18:20.52 | isaqual | tharkun: I have but it is production server and so stable that i dont want to mess it with upgrades.. Any sense ? |
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| 18:21.29 | b0rsuk | Hey, I have a problem with a dual boot laptop that stopped booting. It doesn't even get to GRUB (but BIOS works). Do you know any laptop channels on freenode ? |
| 18:21.40 | tharkun | isaqual: Support for lenny is near its EOL so you might want to schedule some upgrading in the near future |
| 18:21.40 | Justin | isaqual: so install the nginx that is packaged and don't mess with it? |
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| 18:22.05 | isaqual | jhutchins2: There is couple of vulnerabilities in 0.6.x version and I dont want those |
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| 18:22.50 | Amarande | oooookay, something's odd with squeeze here |
| 18:22.52 | isaqual | tharkun: That is good point! |
| 18:23.07 | Amarande | I considered installing gthumb (which seems to be the proper gnome program to do digital camera image copies etc. from) |
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| 18:23.22 | Amarande | ... and it wants to UNINSTALL GNOME. (Of course I said no, but why can't you install gthumb on squeeze without it nuking gnome?) |
| 18:24.03 | isaqual | Justin: packed is way too old.. |
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| 18:25.35 | isaqual | lastest stable version in nginx is 1.0.11 |
| 18:25.43 | isaqual | and I'm on 0.6.xx |
| 18:26.19 | abrotman | /win 1 |
| 18:26.22 | Amarande | hrm, let's try gtkam instead. |
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| 18:26.49 | loot | could someone tell me if the screen gets cleared before the login prompt (tty1) on a squeeze machine please? |
| 18:28.13 | ole | im unable to get my wireless card working, it reports this error: "b43-phy0 ERROR this device does not support dma on your system" |
| 18:28.30 | ole | I have a Broadcom 4312 wireless card |
| 18:30.19 | loot | ole: try "modprobe b43 pio=1" |
| 18:30.44 | nsadmin | you may wish to rmmod it first |
| 18:31.08 | loot | of course i forgot to mention… |
| 18:31.25 | tharkun | !tell ole about 4312 |
| 18:31.28 | nsadmin | plus the card may require firmware |
| 18:31.29 | loot | well if its ERRORING its likeley not to be loaded at all :) |
| 18:32.05 | Amarande | hmmm |
| 18:32.06 | nsadmin | lsmod can tell us whether it is or not, that would be a good test |
| 18:32.20 | Amarande | would it help camera issues any to abandon debian supported kernels altogether and to compile 3.0.9 from source? |
| 18:32.28 | nsadmin | ola, what did you do that produced that error? |
| 18:32.48 | Amarande | apparently I'm hearing that digital cameras *as a whole* are broken on linux *as a whole*, primarily due to some sort of bug with the whole USB architecture that went a very long time without being fixed (if it even has)? |
| 18:32.53 | loot | sorry to repeat myself but could someone tell me if the screen gets cleared before the login prompt (tty1) on a squeeze machine please? |
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| 18:33.21 | Amarande | for some reason it must be something that's messing with things like PTP/MTP, since it doesn't affect microphones, keyboards, mice, or Mass Storage devices |
| 18:33.30 | nsadmin | loot, sometimes the screen gets cleared after logout |
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| 18:36.55 | nsadmin | loot, that could be due to a particular users (say) .bash-logout |
| 18:36.59 | loot | nsadmin: so well i needed to edit my inittab and tell getty to use --noclear… sort of stupid to introduce such a change without any note in the changelog of util-linux. the default behaviour of clearing messages which dont even end up anywhere under /var/log/ is kinda ridiculous… i am getting slightly scared |
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| 18:38.09 | nsadmin | loot: there's always diff -Naur :) |
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| 18:40.22 | jhutchins2 | isaqual: Check to see if the vulnerabilities are patched in the Debian version - they often are, and you can check the backported version as well. |
| 18:40.34 | loot | nsadmin: hrm what should i have diffed? := |
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| 18:43.02 | rly | Is there a way I can see a random terminal (for example gnome-terminal) via ssh? |
| 18:43.24 | loot | rly: vnc, or the bad X-forwarding |
| 18:43.40 | nsadmin | the dir containing the source package, two copies: one uptodate, the other the version you had been using |
| 18:43.46 | rly | loot: the terminal is already running. |
| 18:44.02 | rly | loot: and vnc doesn't go over ssh, does it? |
| 18:44.17 | rly | loot: so, try again :) |
| 18:44.21 | jelly-home | rly: it can go over ssh if you ask it nicely (LocalForwarding) |
| 18:44.34 | loot | nsadmin: well uptime of 140days, reboot today. makes it hard to figure out whats wrong and which version is responsible :) |
| 18:44.35 | rly | ok |
| 18:44.54 | rly | jelly-home: doesn't it also depend on the vnc implementation? |
| 18:44.56 | Justin | most vnc clients have a -via option these days that automatically setup ssh forwarding for you |
| 18:45.04 | rly | Name one please. |
| 18:45.17 | Amarande | arrgghhhh. |
| 18:45.22 | Justin | xvnc4viewer |
| 18:45.24 | jelly-home | rly: it does. You'd need a vnc server like x11vnc that attaches to an already running X session. |
| 18:45.25 | Amarande | well, I think I might need to be abandoning gnome shortly |
| 18:45.38 | Amarande | rhythmbox: you suck. |
| 18:45.38 | Justin | vncviewer localhost:0 -via somehost |
| 18:45.44 | rly | Amarande: does it crawl? |
| 18:45.59 | Amarande | rly: right now, I'm not even sure HOW many people have inexplicably, almost unfixable seeming digital camera errors on gnome |
| 18:46.10 | rly | Gnome3 seems to require much more powerful hardware. |
| 18:46.16 | Amarande | that, turn out, to be because rhythmbox is dumber than dumb and insists on grabbing the camera device |
| 18:46.24 | valdyn | rly: it doesnt |
| 18:46.32 | Amarande | which causes gphoto2 and anything using libgphoto2 to die horribly complaining that they can't lock the camera because it is in use. |
| 18:46.40 | rly | valdyn: then why did Gnome2 not crawl and Gnome3 does. |
| 18:46.52 | valdyn | rly: wrong setup, "wrong" hardware |
| 18:47.07 | rly | valdyn: wrong setup? I installed the Debian packages. |
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| 18:47.18 | rly | valdyn: and the hardware is the same as with Gnome2. |
| 18:47.38 | valdyn | rly: on *my* system all gtk3 apps are significantly faster than gtk2 apps |
| 18:48.02 | rly | valdyn: perhaps it uses more memory? |
| 18:48.10 | valdyn | rly: maybe |
| 18:48.53 | rly | valdyn: it is using some swap now (it has 1.5GB of internal memory). |
| 18:49.20 | rly | valdyn: it never used to use swap, so that would explain it. |
| 18:49.46 | Justin | rly: What is using all that ram? |
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| 18:50.06 | valdyn | usually something unrelated to desktop - the browser ;) |
| 18:50.08 | nsadmin | rly use of swap by anything makes the whole system slower |
| 18:50.20 | Amarande | hmmm |
| 18:50.28 | Amarande | there is no way to prevent rhythmbox from stealing the digital camera, is there? |
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| 18:51.14 | NikLP | anyone perchance have a link to some "favourite setup" they have for a LAMP/LEMP stack, in terms of "other stuff" that they install? |
| 18:51.37 | Justin | Amarande: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/544994 |
| 18:51.37 | NikLP | thinking about stuff like ntp... also need outgoing mail etc. |
| 18:51.46 | valdyn | rly: im not using gnome-shell btw, just gnome apps, so i get the advantages but not the issues with compositing desktops |
| 18:52.05 | rly | Justin: largest user is firefox with 8.5%. clamd is the same. Then there is a long list of smaller ones. |
| 18:52.34 | valdyn | rly: what is your gfx chipset? |
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| 18:52.41 | rly | valdyn: nvidia |
| 18:52.48 | nsadmin | what is "compositing desktops" |
| 18:52.50 | nsadmin | ? |
| 18:52.53 | valdyn | rly: and the driver? proprietary drivers? |
| 18:52.57 | rly | valdyn: yes |
| 18:52.58 | Amarande | Justin: is that going to be fixed in wheezy? |
| 18:53.25 | valdyn | nsadmin: its the "technology" that enables desktop effects |
| 18:53.37 | valdyn | nsadmin: like what gnome-shell does or compiz |
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| 18:53.42 | nsadmin | you mean like what compiz does? |
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| 18:53.45 | Justin | Amarande: it probably already is fixed in wheezy |
| 18:53.46 | nsadmin | ahh |
| 18:53.58 | valdyn | nsadmin: every "modern" desktop does this |
| 18:54.10 | loot | not mine ;) |
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| 18:55.28 | valdyn | nsadmin: basically it means that apps dont pain the screen but a buffer that can be modified before it gets visible on screen |
| 18:55.37 | valdyn | nsadmin: s/pain/paint/ |
| 18:56.01 | nsadmin | ok, a postprocessed image in ram |
| 18:56.05 | I_Died_Once | hi, i'm using debian squeeze, trying to compile knewspost and i'm getting this error |
| 18:56.11 | I_Died_Once | checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 2.2.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! |
| 18:56.11 | I_Died_Once | For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log. |
| 18:56.14 | valdyn | nsadmin: yea |
| 18:56.23 | I_Died_Once | what package exactly am i missing? |
| 18:56.42 | valdyn | I_Died_Once: run apt-get build-dep <packagename> |
| 18:56.51 | Amarande | valdyn: I'm guessing this also means that 3D hardware acceleration is required by gnome-shell? |
| 18:56.52 | valdyn | I_Died_Once: for any package that needs similar components to compile |
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| 18:57.13 | valdyn | Amarande: practically it does mean that, I think |
| 18:57.27 | I_Died_Once | there are a hundred different qt dev apps listed |
| 18:57.28 | valdyn | Amarande: not from a theoretical pov |
| 18:58.07 | valdyn | I_Died_Once: you dont need to care about the dev apps, you need a random qt app |
| 18:58.08 | Dev0n | it's possible to chain comands in the crontab right ? ie. ... /script.sh && /script2.sh ? |
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| 18:58.17 | valdyn | I_Died_Once: apt-get build-dep qt-app |
| 18:59.02 | valdyn | I_Died_Once: but qt 2.2.2 is *really* ancient, Im not sure if knewspost can be compiled on debian |
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| 18:59.42 | Amarande | valdyn: well, in the sense that, if you don't make sure to keep your nvidia proprietary drivers running, it will be like that time I tried to run WoW without 3D hardware drivers? :) |
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| 19:01.25 | valdyn | Amarande: no, in the sense that compositing could be done without a 3D accelerating cpu, but since in the real word a 3D capable cpu and is the easiest way to get the required calculations even if those calculations have nothing to do with 3D |
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| 19:02.30 | Amarande | hrm, here's a more weird debian issue. |
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| 19:02.47 | Amarande | If you use gallery3 on your webhosting in order to maintain online photo albums ... |
| 19:03.10 | Amarande | How do I get it to actually be able to UPLOAD? It works 100%, EXCEPT that when you go to upload photos, you get a button that says "select photos (7M max per picture)" |
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| 19:03.34 | Amarande | on Windows, this worked flawlessly (in Firefox, so it's not an ActiveX matter because ActiveX is still IE specific as far as I know) |
| 19:03.52 | Amarande | however, in Linux the button does not respond at all when clicked (things like "done" or "cancel" or such do, but not the file selector). |
| 19:04.09 | Amarande | any particular reason why this would be the case? (running iceweasel-aurora from mdn for squeeze) |
| 19:04.19 | Amarande | (but, epiphany gives the same problem too) |
| 19:04.33 | StephenS | how to disable GOK ? |
| 19:04.41 | StephenS | Im in GOK - main but I cant deactivate it :( |
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| 19:05.02 | valdyn | Amarande: is there a proxy in use? |
| 19:05.32 | Amarande | valdyn: nope. when I had Windows it was on the very same LAN in this very same location with the very same network setup |
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| 19:05.46 | valdyn | Amarande: try google chrome then |
| 19:05.56 | valdyn | Amarande: or chromium as it is in debian |
| 19:06.07 | StephenS | ? |
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| 19:06.33 | ole | alright, I think it works now |
| 19:06.38 | ole | my wireless card that is |
| 19:06.45 | ole | I can scan for access points and that |
| 19:06.46 | StephenS | ??? |
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| 19:06.58 | ole | but my router wont respond to a dhcp lease |
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| 19:08.55 | StephenS | CAN SOMEONE HELP ME |
| 19:09.10 | Dev0n | hi is this the right cron to run ever 2 weeks: * * * * 0/2 |
| 19:09.42 | loot | ole: "dmesg | grep -i b43" see if you get any errors still, firmware related ones probably |
| 19:09.59 | ole | I have the wl firmware |
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| 19:10.04 | ole | http://wiki.debian.org/wl#Squeeze |
| 19:10.23 | ole | oh, and no errors btw |
| 19:10.34 | loot | ole: good, well then check your router for mac-filtering or things like that |
| 19:10.34 | ole | or yes |
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| 19:10.46 | ole | it still gives error on some "Fatal DMA error" |
| 19:11.08 | ole | and "b43-phy0: this device does not support DMA on your system. Please use PIO instead |
| 19:11.20 | ole | but I think that was when I booted |
| 19:11.46 | ole | latest is b43-pci-bridge 0000:03:00.0: PCI INT A disabled |
| 19:11.59 | Justin | ole: ah, I know how to fix that |
| 19:12.11 | ole | cool :) |
| 19:12.22 | ole | also, no, I dont have a MAC filter activated on my router |
| 19:12.29 | Justin | first thing to try is get the latest virmware from http://mirror2.openwrt.org/sources/broadcom-wl-5.10.56.27.3_mipsel.tar.bz2 |
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| 19:14.15 | ole | hold on Justin, let me just connect elsewhere, I only have one netcable :P |
| 19:14.43 | Justin | if that doesn't work, put this in /etc/modprobe.d/b43fixes.conf |
| 19:14.50 | Justin | options b43 pio=1 |
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| 19:14.58 | Justin | but the newest firmware is a better fix |
| 19:15.02 | Justin | pio mode is SLOW |
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| 19:15.52 | Justin | so you just need to untar that and then run b43-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware broadcom-wl-5.10.56.27.3/driver/wl_apsta/wl_prebuilt.o |
| 19:16.02 | Amarande | shakes fist at gallery3 now |
| 19:16.06 | abrotman | StephenS: your capslock is broken |
| 19:16.22 | abrotman | thought that was kinda obvious |
| 19:16.42 | Amarande | open source, free software ... and yet, were it a Debian package (in this case, I'm trying to use my squeeze box to upload to a gallery3 on a remote server though) ... |
| 19:16.46 | StephenS | abrotman, thank you, now answer my question smartguy? |
| 19:16.47 | Amarande | it would have to be classed as contrib. |
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| 19:17.07 | abrotman | StephenS: not many people use GOK i'd wager .. have you checked the website, or just tried to kill the process ? |
| 19:17.09 | Amarande | it's probably sadly a very common error in web packages too. :S |
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| 19:18.06 | StephenS | Yes i killed process |
| 19:18.08 | Amarande | hmm, actually |
| 19:18.16 | Amarande | if gallery version 3.x is in wheezy or sid |
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| 19:18.19 | Amarande | it needs to be moved to contrib |
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| 19:18.23 | uique | is HDD disk encryption possible after linux has already been installed? |
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| 19:18.51 | valdyn | uique: why would it not be possible? |
| 19:18.53 | ole | hmm, Justin, I get "This file has an unknown MD5sum" when running that b43-fwcutter command |
| 19:19.04 | abrotman | valdyn: i think he means in place |
| 19:19.13 | Amarande | problem: gnash does not provide necessary flash functionality in order to upload. therefore, flashplugin-nonfree is required to make use of gallery3 (not sure if this also applies to the 1.x in squeeze) |
| 19:19.16 | technologov | uique, some software (TrueCrypt) allow this - but is semi-free category 'viewable source' |
| 19:19.22 | Amarande | depending on flashplugin-nonfree means program must go to contrib right? |
| 19:19.23 | uique | LUKS? |
| 19:19.41 | Amarande | `versions gallery |
| 19:19.50 | Amarande | or is it ,versions |
| 19:20.00 | abrotman | judd: versions gallery |
| 19:20.01 | judd | Package: gallery on i386 -- squeeze: 1.5.10.dfsg-1; sid: 1.5.10.dfsg-1.1; wheezy: 1.5.10.dfsg-1.1 |
| 19:20.05 | abrotman | judd: versions gnash |
| 19:20.05 | judd | Package: gnash on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.4-3~lenny1; squeeze: 0.8.8-5; squeeze-backports: 0.8.10~git20110618-3~bpo60+1; sid: 0.8.10~git20111001-1; wheezy: 0.8.10~git20111001-1 |
| 19:20.06 | Justin | ole: oh, i had installed the updated version of the fwcutter tool from sid |
| 19:20.13 | abrotman | Amarande: did you try teh version in squeeze-backports ? |
| 19:20.22 | Amarande | abrotman: of gnash? not yet. |
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| 19:20.25 | ole | what do I do then? :P |
| 19:20.27 | Justin | ole: actually, that reminds me.. I also had to install the 3.1 kernel to get things to work nicely :-/ |
| 19:20.40 | ole | might aswell run arch then :P |
| 19:20.42 | Justin | ole: you can go the pio=1 route, it just might not perform that well |
| 19:20.54 | ole | ill see if it works |
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| 19:21.06 | Justin | it should, just not as well as the latest kernel+firmware |
| 19:21.16 | Justin | there have been a LOT of fixes lately for b43 stuff |
| 19:21.29 | ole | alright :( |
| 19:21.32 | ole | hmm |
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| 19:21.39 | ole | i have to update modprobe somehow, right? |
| 19:21.46 | ole | the rules dont just get applied |
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| 19:22.13 | Justin | they do, you would need to reload the driver though |
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| 19:22.29 | Justin | when I was testing I was rebooting a lot to make sure things would come up from a cold boot though |
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| 19:22.56 | ole | I still get that DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval x shit |
| 19:23.01 | ole | and then it fails |
| 19:23.10 | Justin | ole: try rebooting, that should work |
| 19:23.29 | ole | alright |
| 19:23.58 | ole | it doesnt seem to though |
| 19:24.00 | Justin | I was actually using 'options b43 pio=1 qos=0' but I don't think you need the qos=0 |
| 19:24.15 | ole | still dont get a dhcp lease |
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| 19:24.24 | Justin | well once you get pio=1 you won't get the "Fatal DMA error" anymore |
| 19:24.37 | ole | yea, I dont :P |
| 19:24.52 | ole | I just aint able to connect to my router either :P |
| 19:25.02 | ole | "no DHCPOFFERS received" |
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| 19:25.44 | ole | fuck it, ill just reinstall this shit |
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| 19:26.13 | loot | ole: waste of time ;) |
| 19:26.16 | Justin | yeah, I dunno. things worked just fine with pio=1, just very slow. With the 3.1 kernel and newer firmware things are rock solid |
| 19:27.33 | ole | the funny thing is though, when I ran ubuntu on the same laptop wireless worked out of the box |
| 19:27.46 | Justin | ole: yes, newer kernel and firmware |
| 19:27.57 | ole | than squeeze? |
| 19:28.29 | ole | ill just go with arch linux |
| 19:28.38 | Justin | suit yourself |
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| 19:29.39 | ole | yea |
| 19:29.44 | Diranged | is there a way to take an existing deb package and extract the control/etc files used to build it? similar to a source rpm? |
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| 19:30.18 | jordanm | Diranged: you need the source package |
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| 19:30.55 | jordanm | Diranged: apt-get source <package> will handle this for you if its in the repos |
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| 19:31.31 | Diranged | ok.. thanks.. i can work with that.. |
| 19:32.15 | ole | Thanks for the help anyway Justin :) |
| 19:32.18 | ole | much appreciated |
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| 19:35.59 | b_jonas | hello. could you help me debug why X.org loads only the VESA module on this new debian x86 system I've installed? it should use the intel driver, and it does so on the other installation, a debian amd64 on the same machine. |
| 19:37.02 | b_jonas | on this x86 system I'm using the debian kernel (2.6.32-5-686), so this time it's not my breaking the kernel config that causes the problem. |
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| 19:37.50 | b_jonas | the first suspicious line in my log is this: (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory |
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| 19:40.10 | b_jonas | should I paste the whole Xorg.0.log? |
| 19:40.13 | Justin | b_jonas: always |
| 19:40.20 | b_jonas | okay, a moment |
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| 19:41.36 | b_jonas | here's the Xorg.0.log: http://dpaste.org/ZVX07/ |
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| 19:43.12 | b_jonas | for comparision, here's the log on the other installation, which does work: http://dpaste.org/K0MBj/ |
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| 19:44.57 | DimmuR | what repository should i use to get latest wine in debian testing? |
| 19:46.30 | Justin | b_jonas: do you have an xorg.conf on those machines at all? |
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| 19:47.40 | b_jonas | Justin: no |
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| 19:48.15 | Justin | b_jonas: oh, well creating one might fix things.. |
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| 19:51.28 | b_jonas | creating one in what way, and what would I change in it? |
| 19:52.35 | Justin | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg should create one for you |
| 19:53.31 | Justin | you likely just need Section "Device"\n Driver "intel"\n EndSection |
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| 19:54.06 | b_jonas | could help, thanks |
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| 19:55.46 | Justin | well, it can't hurt to try |
| 19:55.57 | b_jonas | for some reason, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't appear to do anything |
| 19:56.15 | b_jonas | not even with -plow |
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| 19:57.56 | gaijin1 | is there a way to force apt-get not to display the user agreements that popup when installing openjdk-7-jre? |
| 19:58.08 | gaijin1 | when you type sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jre it says you are about to download xxxxxx kb of files then it asks for a confirmation Y to accept license and so on. how to make it install silently? |
| 19:58.57 | jordanm | ,versions openjdk-7-jre |
| 19:58.58 | judd | Package: openjdk-7-jre on i386 -- sid: 7~b147-2.0-1; wheezy: 7~b147-2.0-1 |
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| 19:59.43 | b_jonas | strange. I wonder what I've broken. |
| 20:00.26 | nkuttler | gaijin1: maybe you can reconfigure debconf.. not sure if that would help in this case though |
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| 20:00.44 | gaijin1 | will adding --yes to apt-get do the work? |
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| 20:01.46 | jordanm | gaijin1: -y will handle the initial yes, but not interactive debconf prompts. for that, you need debconf-set-selections from debconf-utils |
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| 20:03.24 | jelly-home | gaijin1: it only does that the first time you install it. |
| 20:03.38 | gaijin1 | i see |
| 20:04.08 | b_jonas | if you don't have any ideas, I'll try to reboot to the amd64 install, and see whether (a) X.org works with the debian kernel, and whether (b) dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does something there |
| 20:04.36 | jelly-home | gaijin1: you can preseed the debconf database with a value that will make the packages think you've already accepted the license |
| 20:04.50 | gaijin1 | ummm |
| 20:05.09 | jelly-home | what jordanm said. |
| 20:05.22 | gaijin1 | i want to do an unattended install of openjdk jre on about 100 systems |
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| 20:05.46 | loot | b_jonas: did you try to compare the dpkg --get-selections output for both machines? i cant see drmOpen messages for your 32bit Xorg log. maybe some missing drm libs? |
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| 20:07.38 | b_jonas | loot: no, but they would differ a lot |
| 20:08.01 | b_jonas | drm libs.... hmm |
| 20:08.05 | loot | b_jonas: well in regards to | egrep -i '(intel|xorg|drm|mesa)' for example |
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| 20:08.17 | loot | also: (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory |
| 20:08.42 | loot | not quite sure if squeeze needs that for KMS, or if it is a default on squeeze at all but that explains alot |
| 20:09.20 | b_jonas | it could be some missing package, but I thought all the stuff I need would get installed automatically as a recommend dependency to xserver-xorg. there's no non-free drivers involved I think. |
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| 20:10.36 | ompaul | gaijin1: things you need to think about - are you sane if not try this - run a proxy for apt-get on your machines, you are going to have some log into the 100 machines so while you are there why not set a pointer to the proxy, set a wget to your new leet script that goes in cron and does not kick off at exactly the same time on all boxes ... no point in killing the network now is there? checks with somewhere www.proxy-box.your.network.perhaps which has |
| 20:10.38 | ompaul | a new config file which is basically apt-get install -whatever-options foo.deb as long as it worked in testing and maybe you'll be lucky and have a nice day |
| 20:10.39 | loot | b_jonas: well make sure you got libdrm-intel1 libdrm2 xserver-xorg-video-intel libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 20:11.09 | ompaul | gaijin1: that's home cooked there are programs that do that for you, but do you think I can remember any names, not a hope |
| 20:11.16 | b_jonas | loot: I have those five packages already |
| 20:11.41 | loot | b_jonas: also check for CONFIG_DRM_I915_KMS in your kernel, maybe you have to force it by adding i915.modeset=1 to your kernel line in grub |
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| 20:12.20 | gaijin1 | ompaul maybe if i increase the squid cache size all the 100 systems may use the cached files downloaded ;) |
| 20:12.36 | gaijin1 | if they get cached* |
| 20:12.51 | ompaul | gaijin1: eh individual cache file limit is more interesting in that setup |
| 20:13.32 | gaijin1 | also i am not sure if apt-get works behind squid, just mozilla is allowed to i guess |
| 20:13.48 | gaijin1 | mozilla is configured for port 3128 |
| 20:14.08 | gaijin1 | i think apt-get wont use the proxy. not sure |
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| 20:14.48 | ompaul | gaijin1: it will but the box has to know I told you that in the bit above (/etc/profile export http_proxy |
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| 20:15.41 | gaijin1 | ompaul thanks |
| 20:15.41 | b_jonas | I rebooted to the amd64 system, and there the intel driver loads with the debian kernel too. no surprise there, but I had to check. |
| 20:16.12 | b_jonas | loot: a moment, I'll check that, but on the x86 system which has this problem, I only have the debian kernel, so I can't blame myself about the kernel config |
| 20:16.17 | b_jonas | I might try that config option too |
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| 20:17.35 | gaijin1 | i tried copying the openjdk directory from an existing comp to another but it didnt work |
| 20:17.38 | loot | b_jonas: diff your configs for any hints |
| 20:17.52 | b_jonas | and dpkg-reconfigure also doesn't do anything on the amd64 system |
| 20:17.53 | gaijin1 | the bin and lib directories* |
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| 20:18.05 | b_jonas | loot: diff what? the kernel configs of the debian kernels? the list of packages installed? |
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| 20:18.13 | loot | b_jonas: check the output of dmesg | egrep -i '(drm|agp|i915)' on both systems as well |
| 20:18.19 | loot | b_jonas: yeah the kernel configsWhen I try to enable it, I simply get the blank screen during the boot, |
| 20:18.22 | loot | and machine hangs. |
| 20:18.25 | loot | bah |
| 20:18.29 | b_jonas | ah, that's a good idea, checking the kernel logs |
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| 20:20.17 | loot | b_jonas: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=601558 <- seems to be related to your problem |
| 20:20.19 | valerie | I installed Debian Wheezy AMD64 and try to make the make flushplugin-nonfree working (enabled non-free repos ) I installed it but it does not work - If I download the adobe flashplayer from adobe website - there is a file.so I need to place it somewhere in .~mozilla but I do not know exactly where, can anyone tell me where to place that file ? Do I need to do anything else ? |
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| 20:24.07 | loot | valerie: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ or ~/.mozilla/plugins i think. are you using a 64bit built of firefox? |
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| 20:25.42 | valerie | loot: well let me see, perhaps I did not download the 64 version - however from the non-free repository the flash-plugin nonfree in wheezy seem not to work for me |
| 20:26.07 | loot | valerie: it should. if your browser is a 64bit built, thats why im asking |
| 20:26.16 | b_jonas | strange. I rebooted to the x86 system and now X works correctly: it loads the intel driver and so gets the high resolution mode |
| 20:26.20 | b_jonas | I don't know what I've done |
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| 20:28.32 | Justin | b_jonas: strange :) |
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| 20:29.07 | Justin | b_jonas: weird things do happen.. I once spent an hour trying to figure out why the nvidia drivers stopped detecting the right screen resolution.. eventually I figured out that the video cable was slightly loose. |
| 20:30.03 | b_jonas | Well, I have changed some things, but I didn't think any of them would require a reboot |
| 20:30.16 | converge | Im looking for an easy/good vpn server/client, some suggestion ? |
| 20:30.27 | b_jonas | maybe I had to reboot after installing some of the X server stuff, like those packages loot have mentioned |
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| 20:30.55 | b_jonas | so that debian would activate the frame buffer at startup |
| 20:31.14 | b_jonas | it's probably that |
| 20:31.24 | loot | b_jonas: yeah the /dev/fb0 device gets created at boot time… and once the vesa driver is loaded theres no easy switching |
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| 20:32.00 | DelphiWorld | hello guys! |
| 20:32.03 | b_jonas | so basically after I install xserver-xorg, I have to reboot? crazy |
| 20:32.05 | DelphiWorld | i am having a serious security bug |
| 20:32.11 | DelphiWorld | bug or bad config |
| 20:32.12 | DelphiWorld | one of those |
| 20:32.16 | DelphiWorld | if i do |
| 20:32.18 | DelphiWorld | ssh -l root 1.2.3.4 |
| 20:32.24 | DelphiWorld | they ask for pass |
| 20:32.28 | DelphiWorld | i can enter any pass |
| 20:32.31 | DelphiWorld | any any pass |
| 20:32.35 | DelphiWorld | then they let me come! |
| 20:32.38 | b_jonas | loot, Justin: thanks for the help |
| 20:32.40 | hivemind | oh |
| 20:33.05 | DelphiWorld | Anyone! |
| 20:33.08 | hivemind | i've reconfigured fontconfig-config with raster fonts by default |
| 20:33.21 | hivemind | fonts is embarrasing, how i can get my fonts back? |
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| 20:34.10 | valerie | loot: thanks a bunch - I just move file.so to where you told me and it works ! Have a nice day ! |
| 20:34.33 | loot | valerie: no problem |
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| 20:38.17 | boudiccas | how do i change the permission of an external usb drive from root:root to user:user please? |
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| 20:38.47 | gihad | Hey, I copied a mysql database into a debian OS, but now I can't restart the mysql service anymore |
| 20:38.58 | gihad | I think it has soething to do with debian-sys-maint ? |
| 20:40.12 | maujhsn | boudiccas I have the same issue in debian live when I have a separate usb installed! |
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| 20:40.52 | boudiccas | maujhsn; this si with squeeze and gnome, on a desktop box |
| 20:42.07 | maujhsn | boudiccas Is live installed on your hard drive or are you booting from a cd-rom? |
| 20:42.19 | boudiccas | i installed from ths dvd iso |
| 20:42.23 | boudiccas | the |
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| 20:43.03 | gihad | I found the problem, debian stores the password for the debian-sys-maint in a file called /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
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| 20:43.33 | maujhsn | boudiccas Is your OS linux or Windows? |
| 20:44.05 | boudiccas | maujhsn; debian 6.0.3 obviously! |
| 20:44.25 | Monotoko | hey guys... I have a debian server with bind9 installed. I have added a record and I'm trying to an nslookup, but it's completely skipping localhost and going to the next one down, even though I've defined 127.0.0.1 in resolv.conf |
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| 20:47.51 | maujhsn | gihad I am booting from a cd-rom can I still access /etc/mysql/debian.cnf through the gnome terminal? |
| 20:47.57 | Monotoko | This might be helpful in demonstrating what I'm doing... http://pastebin.com/P4ZUJWZp |
| 20:49.05 | gihad | maujhsn: I don't think mysql server would be installed by default in a live-cd. |
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| 20:49.58 | Monotoko | maujhsn, you could mount your filesystem and access that file, if that's what you're asking? |
| 20:50.07 | maujhsn | gihad OK! |
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| 20:51.48 | maujhsn | Monotoko Are you saying that I can mount Debian Live from cd-rom without installing it on the hard drive? |
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| 20:53.27 | Monotoko | maujhsn, I think I came in half way through... sorry! |
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| 20:54.16 | maujhsn | Monotoko Part two of my question is can Debian Live be mounted if a LiveUSB is in use as well? |
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| 20:56.30 | maujhsn | Monotoko Understand my request? |
| 20:56.57 | Monotoko | maujhsn, ahh... I have seen a method using chroot, would that help? What's the reason behind the request and I might be able to suggest some alternatives |
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| 20:58.20 | maujhsn | Monotoko Can you point me to some documentation? |
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| 20:58.40 | boudiccas | how do i change the permission of an external usb drive from root:root to user:user please? |
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| 20:59.13 | Monotoko | maujhsn, I only use debian for my server and Ubuntu for my desktop... but I can point you to some Ubuntu documentation, you might be able to figure out how to it the debain way? |
| 20:59.28 | modnar | the owner of the contents of the drive or the drive itself? |
| 20:59.49 | boudiccas | modnar; owner of the contents |
| 21:00.08 | modnar | chown user:group -Rv /path/to/files |
| 21:00.31 | boudiccas | modnar; i need to be able as user to write to the drive for my automated backups, thanks |
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| 21:01.12 | maujhsn | boudiccas GOTO system>Administration>Users & Groups! This might help solve your issues! |
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| 21:02.04 | yao_ziyuan | i want to learn how differently debian and ubuntu choose a package's version. debian package versions are definitely older than that of ubuntu. is it that debian just picks an old package and applies all bugfix patches appliable to that package version? |
| 21:02.58 | mhall119 | yao_ziyuan: Ubuntu devs will selectively apply security patches, but generally not feature ones |
| 21:03.17 | ChibaPet | yao_ziyuan: typically Debian packages are current as of release, but version bumps don't happen generally in -stable, so you'll stick with that version as long as that -stable is maintained. |
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| 21:05.03 | yao_ziyuan | i'm even more confused now. |
| 21:05.32 | yao_ziyuan | mhall119: why does ubuntu "sepectively apply security patches" instead of apply them all? |
| 21:05.48 | ChibaPet | yao_ziyuan: stability |
| 21:06.08 | ChibaPet | You don't want your configs changing willy-nilly as can happen between different versions of a package. |
| 21:06.10 | mhall119 | yao_ziyuan: stability, like ChibaPet said |
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| 21:06.16 | yao_ziyuan | ChibaPet: "debian packages are current as of release", i don't believe this. debian's gnome and kde are quite older than ubuntu's. |
| 21:06.34 | mhall119 | the ideal is to change as little as possible once a release is out, but obviously security patches trumpt that |
| 21:06.35 | maujhsn | boudiccas "The Users Administration Tool Manual" in Ubuntu help may also point you in the right direction! |
| 21:06.39 | ChibaPet | yao, when was Debian Squeeze released? Find the date. Note that Gnome was available then. |
| 21:06.50 | ChibaPet | note what* Gnome* |
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| 21:08.10 | yao_ziyuan | ChibaPet: i don't mean squeeze. i mean debian stable. |
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| 21:08.43 | mhall119 | stable isn't going to run the latest version |
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| 21:09.19 | mhall119 | latest and stable are usually mutually exclusive adjectives |
| 21:09.28 | yao_ziyuan | yeah i know |
| 21:09.39 | ChibaPet | yao_ziyuan: Debian Squeeze *is* the current -stable. |
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| 21:09.50 | yao_ziyuan | i want to know how stable's packages are prepared. is it just choose an old version and apply all security patches? |
| 21:10.07 | ChibaPet | yao_ziyuan: typically Debian packages are current as of release, but version bumps don't happen generally in -stable, so you'll stick with that version as long as that -stable is maintained. |
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| 21:10.58 | boudiccas | how do i change the permission of an external usb drive from root:root to user:user please? I need to have it writable by the user so that i can backup to it |
| 21:10.58 | ChibaPet | So, Gnome 3.2 is in Debian Testing now. Chances are 3.2 will be what goes into the next Stable. It will remain the version in Stable until the next Debian is released, a couple years further down the line. |
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| 21:11.08 | yao_ziyuan | ChibaPet: define 'current', 'release', 'version bump' |
| 21:11.32 | yao_ziyuan | ChibaPet: debian stable definitely doesn't come with the latest ("current") gnome when debian stable is released. |
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| 21:11.54 | ChibaPet | yao_ziyuan: you got me, I'm lying - they pick ancient versions and then snicker as people struggle with them. You got me. |
| 21:12.52 | yao_ziyuan | i see, |
| 21:12.58 | EvilResistance | ChibaPet: unless you can specifically speak for Debian, you're wrong. At the time of Debian Stable (Squeeze)'s release the packages were the recent versions of said packages. |
| 21:12.59 | yao_ziyuan | that's what 'rolling release' means. |
| 21:13.25 | ChibaPet | EvilResistance: I know, I said that before, but yao_ziyuan didn't believe me. =shrug= |
| 21:13.34 | EvilResistance | but version bumps in "stable" are rare, save for major security vulnerabilities |
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| 21:14.08 | EvilResistance | yao_ziyuan: you also have to remember *when* Debian versions are released |
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| 21:14.40 | EvilResistance | when Squeeze was released as stable, they basically halt updates of package versions and kind of stick to security updates |
| 21:14.50 | EvilResistance | (basically meaning a decent approximation) |
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| 21:16.24 | ompaul | yao_ziyuan: there is no debian rolling release, there is stable and there testing, sid, experimental about 6 months out from release testing gets frozen and it gets its RC (release critical bugs fixed) and then we get a release |
| 21:16.44 | yao_ziyuan | first, i haven't known what's a 'version bump'. so i need some googling first. |
| 21:16.53 | Justin | sid is basically the debian rolling release |
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| 21:20.24 | jhutchins_wk_ | !sid |
| 21:20.24 | dpkg | The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 21:20.39 | jhutchins_wk_ | !why not sid |
| 21:20.39 | dpkg | sid is <unstable> (you should know that). It's not recommended unless you're a developer or have extensive Debian experience. Please consider stable, or tell us why <sns syndrome> is not why you're using unstable. |
| 21:20.45 | jhutchins_wk_ | !unstable |
| 21:20.45 | dpkg | Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
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| 21:21.16 | boudiccas | how do i change the permission of an external usb drive from root:root to user:user please? I need to have it writable by the user so that i can backup to it. |
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| 21:21.29 | mhall119 | what is sns syndrome? |
| 21:21.37 | jhutchins_wk_ | boudiccas: Make an entry for it in fstab |
| 21:21.41 | ompaul | Justin: it is not a release, we don't say it is, mostly because it is likely to break and therefore its stable |
| 21:21.44 | ompaul | sorry |
| 21:21.45 | ompaul | not stable |
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| 21:22.25 | Justin | there is also http://cut.debian.net/ |
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| 21:22.41 | Justin | which was trying to make testing into more of a rolling release |
| 21:23.02 | boudiccas | jhutchins_wk_; really? its owned by root, and unwritable by user unless done with sudo. so i want to change it so that user can write to it |
| 21:23.05 | ompaul | trying to make - Not |
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| 21:23.31 | Justin | ompaul: http://kitenet.net/~joey/code/debian/cut/ |
| 21:23.41 | jhutchins_wk_ | Right. I thought I had a handy little line here somewhere... |
| 21:23.58 | ompaul | from the page you gave us Justin we have ... the word Unofficial Monthly Testing Snapshots |
| 21:24.00 | modnar | boudiccas: describe how the drive is being mounted |
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| 21:24.15 | jhutchins_wk_ | boudiccas: Ah, here it is on my netbook: /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto,umask=0000 0 0 |
| 21:24.16 | ompaul | mhall119: shiny new stuff or some other s |
| 21:24.26 | boudiccas | modnar; i plug it in and gnome mounts it |
| 21:24.43 | jhutchins_wk_ | boudiccas: That does anything mounting as sdb, you can also use a UUID to set options for a specific drive. |
| 21:25.05 | boudiccas | jhutchins_wk_; thanks |
| 21:25.15 | b0rsuk | Please help, I'm unable to restore my USB stick to its original size. I tried to install rescatux on it and in the process it lowered the drive's capacity to image size (334 MB). |
| 21:25.17 | jhutchins_wk_ | boudiccas: I believe there's a way to use the policy-thingy in gnome to set the options for USB drives, but I am allergic to gnome. |
| 21:25.23 | modnar | polkit |
| 21:25.38 | b0rsuk | I tried deleting all partitions using fdisk and creating one, and writing... it appears to work, but actually doesn't. |
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| 21:26.02 | jhutchins_wk_ | b0rsuk: Have you looked at it with gparted? |
| 21:26.04 | b0rsuk | The first red flag is that "df -h" shows /dev/sdb 334M 0 334M 0% /media/2E5D-6555 |
| 21:26.09 | modnar | you could either create a fstab entry or add a policy for external drives in policykit-1 |
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| 21:27.17 | b0rsuk | jhutchins_wk_: No, I don't have gnome so it would be installing 15 MB. Is there no better way ? |
| 21:27.18 | jhutchins_wk_ | modnar: Which will do you no good in kde or probably xfce. |
| 21:27.39 | jhutchins_wk_ | b0rsuk: gparted does not require gnome. |
| 21:28.16 | Justin | b0rsuk: unmount it and run dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=1M count=1 |
| 21:28.32 | Justin | b0rsuk: then fdisk /dev/sdb and you're good to go |
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| 21:32.15 | b0rsuk | Justin: Thanks, it worked |
| 21:32.42 | b0rsuk | jhutchins_wk_: Yes, technically gparted doesn't require gnome, but installing it installs a number of gnomish libraries. |
| 21:32.50 | b0rsuk | I'm pedantic when it doesn't matter much. |
| 21:34.07 | jhutchins_wk_ | Justin: How does that work? It would appear to write a 1MB block to the device. |
| 21:35.16 | jhutchins_wk_ | b0rsuk: parted then. |
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| 21:35.32 | b0rsuk | I need to write that trick down and decifer it with the help of 'man'. |
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| 21:39.39 | Justin | jhutchins_wk_: yep, that's exactly what it does |
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| 21:41.06 | jhutchins_wk_ | Justin: Indulge yourself. Explain why that fixes the device. |
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| 21:43.36 | Justin | it completely whipes the partition table |
| 21:43.43 | Justin | no partition table, no problem |
| 21:43.49 | Justin | wipes, too :) |
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| 21:46.54 | luisbg | I have debian in a usb pendrive, but when I try to install it on my laptop... it says it can't find the modules to read the cdrom |
| 21:47.09 | tharkun | Will gkpod foobar my iPod Shuffle if i tell it to reformat it? |
| 21:47.13 | luisbg | so it loads the installer, but it can't read the base install from it |
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| 21:48.40 | nsadmin | luisbg, so it's not "I have debian" but "I have an installer image for installing debian"; yes? |
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| 21:49.01 | luisbg | nsadmin, very true, yes. sorry for explaining it wrong |
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| 21:50.11 | indigo | is there a straightforward way to get the latest .deb archive for a given package on an arch different from that of the host? Namely, I need to grab ia32 pam modules for a 64 bit host. |
| 21:50.59 | tharkun | !tell indigo about ssb |
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| 21:51.16 | enyc | indigo: not sure but i think with multiarch you can install packagename:i386 or the like i need to investigate =) |
| 21:51.21 | enyc | !tell enyc about ssb |
| 21:51.30 | Justin | indigo: download them from packages.debian.org? |
| 21:51.32 | tharkun | !tell enyc about selftell |
| 21:51.42 | indigo | i don't really want to install the package; i just need to grab the pam modules out of it. |
| 21:51.56 | indigo | Justin: yeah i can do that, except for the "latest version" part. |
| 21:51.57 | b0rsuk | Hi, do you know any relatively simple tools to restore GRUB2 on a laptop ? Something to boot from USB... I tried rescatux but it doesn't even but on any machine in my house. |
| 21:52.03 | boudiccas | i have an external usb hard drive for my backups which is plugged in after reboot and automatically mounted by gnome and owned by root. how do i change the ownership of it please to user so that i can backup to it as user? |
| 21:52.16 | indigo | Justin: i mean, ideally if there is a security update or something (we are talking about pam) I'd like to get it. |
| 21:52.25 | b0rsuk | GRUB2 looks quite a bit more complicated than GRUB(1) to me, I can't quite wrap my head around it. |
| 21:53.32 | b0rsuk | I'm not certain GRUB2 is to blame (the laptop doesn't even boot, the menu doesn't pop up) but I have no better idea. |
| 21:53.43 | jhutchins_wk_ | Justin: Ah, that'd do it. So we're thinking stuck/corrupt PT, overwrite it and you're free. |
| 21:53.48 | jhutchins_wk_ | Justin: Thx. |
| 21:54.11 | tharkun | boudiccas: Add the proper lines to fstab |
| 21:54.15 | jhutchins_wk_ | luisbg: You've used the wrong image. |
| 21:54.30 | luisbg | jhutchins_wk_, I downloaded netinstall |
| 21:54.37 | luisbg | debian-6.0.3-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 21:54.42 | luisbg | which one should I get? |
| 21:54.59 | enyc | b0rsuk: grub2 is more capable, but managing it doesn't need to be compilacted... be aware that /etc/default/grub (e.g. DEFAULT boot option) and /etc/grub.d/ (include extra entries etc.) are the places to change things then run update-grub |
| 21:55.11 | jhutchins_wk_ | luisbg: That shouldn't ask for the CD - how did you copy it to the USB? |
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| 21:55.40 | luisbg | jhutchins_wk_, unetbootin |
| 21:55.53 | jhutchins_wk_ | luisbg: Ah, that's a known problem. On Windows? |
| 21:56.31 | luisbg | jhutchins_wk_, an other machine I have linux installed on |
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| 21:56.47 | luisbg | the thinkpad is my new laptop, so using the other one to get the pendrive ready |
| 21:56.54 | luisbg | how should I do it then? |
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| 22:02.34 | jhutchins_wk_ | luisbg: I don't care about the hardware, I'm asking about what OS you're preparing the drive from. |
| 22:02.51 | luisbg | jhutchins_wk_, linux |
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| 22:04.48 | jhutchins_wk_ | luisbg: cat debian...iso > /dev/<usb> |
| 22:05.05 | thewanderer1 | b0rsuk, Debian install CDs include a rescue mode which allows you to restore GRUB or possibly handle the situation manually in a chroot |
| 22:05.24 | luisbg | jhutchins_wk_, that simple? wow! |
| 22:05.28 | luisbg | how does unetbootin get it wrong? |
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| 22:06.18 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas, have you considered actually using a Linux filesystem on a backup medium to make things like permission preservation simpler? :P |
| 22:06.48 | jhutchins_wk_ | luisbg: I don't know, haven't been able to track it down yet. |
| 22:07.06 | babilen | luisbg: Make sure to run "sync" after cat'ing the iso to your USB to ensure that all data has been written. |
| 22:07.17 | luisbg | babilen, will do |
| 22:07.18 | jhutchins_wk_ | luisbg: I just know it's a common error, although I had to use unetbootin (from linux) to get my Acer One to boot from the key and it worked fine for me. |
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| 22:07.53 | luisbg | jhutchins_wk_, so you can have a usb pendrive formatted as in iso? I'm wondering because it is just a simple cat |
| 22:07.59 | jhutchins_wk_ | luisbg: Our first hypothis was that people were selecting the wrong image in unetbootin, but it could be a glitch in the program. |
| 22:08.19 | thewanderer1 | uh, do regular install ISOs actually come as hybrid images? I thought it was only the live images |
| 22:08.33 | jhutchins_wk_ | thewanderer1: As of squeeze. |
| 22:08.41 | thewanderer1 | ok, never noticed that :P |
| 22:08.46 | b0rsuk | thewanderer1: I suppose so, but it requires the understanding of GRUB2, no ? It's rather complicated. |
| 22:09.11 | b0rsuk | I was looking for something (semi)automatic. |
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| 22:09.16 | babilen | thewanderer1: Images for x86 architectures are hybrid |
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| 22:10.01 | thewanderer1 | b0rsuk, doesn't the install CD come with a "reinstall GRUB" option? if not, entering the chroot and calling "grub-install (hd0)" can't be that hard |
| 22:10.17 | babilen | !tell b0rsuk -about fixmbr |
| 22:11.01 | thewanderer1 | babilen, nice, any docs on it? a change like that should be in release notes, right? |
| 22:11.05 | bergelmir | i've installed debian (squeeze) with an encrypted home partition but it won't be auto-mounted on boot. my /etc/(fstab|cryptab) files: http://pastebin.com/vgJY0maU |
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| 22:11.40 | babilen | thewanderer1: I am sure that you can find documentation about it, but I don't have it ready :-/ |
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| 22:12.46 | babilen | thewanderer1: http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/Debian_USB_install_from_hybrid_iso/ (there has probably been something more "official" though) |
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| 22:13.09 | Bublik2002 | guys any idea when gnome 3.2 is coming to debian wheezy? |
| 22:13.14 | thewanderer1 | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-isohybrid aaaa-ha! |
| 22:13.16 | boudiccas | thewanderer1; i'm using ext3 and backup to it via rsync from this squeeze installation |
| 22:13.25 | babilen | !tell Bublik2002 -about gnome3 |
| 22:13.57 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas, ok, then why would you be getting permission errors? perhaps the target directories have wrong permissions? |
| 22:14.20 | bergelmir | /dev/mapper/crypt-home isn't available on boot so it can't be mounted to /home but i don't know why it isn't availabl. |
| 22:14.23 | babilen | Bublik2002: The website mentioned in the factoid summarises the current gnome3 status. Packages will (as always) migrate to testing once they are ready (i.e. bugs have been fixed, long enough in unstable, ...) |
| 22:14.23 | jhutchins_wk_ | The install guide mentions it. |
| 22:14.48 | boudiccas | thewanderer1; it was originally set up using kde, but i now use gnome and i've had these difficulties since swapping over |
| 22:14.49 | thewanderer1 | bergelmir, probably some script / software that reads it is not started automagically |
| 22:15.12 | Bublik2002 | sorry im kinda of new to linux and debian and not really sure about what all that means.... is 3.2 available already in wheezy or do i have to wait? |
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| 22:15.50 | boudiccas | thewanderer1; the target directory is owned by root, but i want to change ownership of it to user, me ! |
| 22:15.51 | thewanderer1 | Bublik2002, running Wheezy with GNOME3.2 - you will want to grab parts of it from Sid though, those in Wheezy have particularly nasty bugs (broken/freezing alt+f2) |
| 22:16.03 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas, well, chown? :) |
| 22:16.07 | Bublik2002 | what is sid? |
| 22:16.16 | babilen | Bublik2002: Gnome 3.2 is actually a collection of many different packages -- Please refer to the website for detailed information. It is save to say though that gnome 3.2 has not yet wheezy |
| 22:16.50 | thewanderer1 | Bublik2002, you might want to wait a while before bugs are ironed out... or until GNOME3 actually becomes usable :P |
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| 22:17.10 | Bublik2002 | im using gnome 3.2 with extensions on fedora and absolutely loving it |
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| 22:17.14 | boudiccas | thewanderer1; thats what i thought but i dont know enough about it how to use it, i'm still a relative newb with regard to the cli |
| 22:17.19 | Bublik2002 | so not sure what you mean by unusable |
| 22:17.24 | luisbg | jhutchins_wk_, the pendrive with "cat deb...iso > " wasn't bootable |
| 22:17.26 | cromag | i know im not in bash, but should i be able to: for i in `ls`; do ls -lt $i/folder1/folder2 |grep string |head -n2; done ? |
| 22:17.33 | jhutchins_wk_ | People seem as unhappy with the changes in Gnome3 as they are about the changes in KDE4 |
| 22:17.37 | babilen | Bublik2002: A lot of core components are available in wheezy however -- If you want to call that Gnome 3.2 is up to you, but I would make that statement only as early as gnome-shell 3.2 enters wheezy. |
| 22:17.41 | luisbg | jhutchins_wk_, it might not have a mbr |
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| 22:18.26 | thewanderer1 | Bublik2002, when installing GNOME3 from Wheezy+Sid, there's currently quite some tinkering - if you take GNOME Shell from Unstable (Sid) and the rest from Wheezy, then you might be able to run GNOME 3.2... but you also run an unstable system :) |
| 22:18.31 | Bublik2002 | babilen: so you're not sure when 3.2 will be fully bug free in wheezy? and also what is sid? |
| 22:18.36 | bergelmir | thewanderer1: hmm... yeah, but what script!? :) |
| 22:18.55 | thewanderer1 | bergelmir, let me boot my encrypted laptop to check |
| 22:19.09 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas, which dir are you trying to save to? |
| 22:19.19 | Bublik2002 | thewanderer1: why does it seem so stable in fedora? is debian usually behind a little with releases? |
| 22:19.26 | thewanderer1 | luisbg, are you sure you were saving to the whole device, not a partition? |
| 22:19.41 | babilen | Bublik2002: Sid is <unstable> and the suite to which all new packages are uploaded. I can't tell you when all gnome related will be bug free -- I would say *never*, but release critical bugs will be fixed before the release. |
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| 22:20.12 | jhutchins_wk_ | luisbg: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 |
| 22:20.12 | boudiccas | thewanderer1; looking at the man page for chown it says that it works at the file level, changing each file, but i want to change the ownership of the drive itself, without touching each seperate file |
| 22:20.16 | Bublik2002 | babilen: so is sid like a rolling distro? kinda like arch? |
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| 22:20.44 | boudiccas | thewan |
| 22:20.48 | jhutchins_wk_ | Bublik2002: Sid is the repository where new candidate packages for testing are shared. |
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| 22:20.58 | Bublik2002 | babilen: do you think it would be less stable than my current fedora 16 setup or no? |
| 22:21.02 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas, there's no "drive ownership"... permissions operate on filesystem levels. if you want to have write access to a "whole" drive, chown its root node |
| 22:21.02 | jhutchins_wk_ | Bublik2002: It is not intended to be a working release. |
| 22:21.14 | Bublik2002 | i understand |
| 22:21.27 | boudiccas | thewanderer1; /media/8eef3b99-c17b-4913-ae61-d34c7fd5d459 is what it is |
| 22:21.29 | Bublik2002 | but how does it compare to the other distros that are running gnome 3.2 |
| 22:21.36 | jhutchins_wk_ | !unstable |
| 22:21.36 | dpkg | Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 22:21.48 | jhutchins_wk_ | Bublik2002: It's not a distro. |
| 22:22.04 | boudiccas | thewanderer1; yes, the whole drive, but how to do it though please? |
| 22:22.06 | babilen | Bublik2002: I don't have enough experience with Arch and their release schedule. What I have seen of their packages however is that they don't really put much work into them and mostly just ship what upstream released. Sid is certainly rolling in the sense that new packages are continuously uploaded to it, but it is by no means a rolling release or anything. |
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| 22:22.32 | thewanderer1 | Bublik2002, only used it since yesterday so can't tell... did not crash even once, but I liked GNOME2 more (some functions are really lacking!) :P |
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| 22:22.57 | babilen | Bublik2002: Keep in mind that unstable/sid and testing are merely a tool to create the next stable release. |
| 22:23.02 | Bublik2002 | thewanderer1: have you tried the extensions yet? they are pretty amazing |
| 22:23.29 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas, will you be saving stuff directly to /media/8eef3b99-c17b-4913-ae61-d34c7fd5d459 ? then: chown <username> /media/8eef3b99-c17b-4913-ae61-d34c7fd5d459 |
| 22:23.33 | luisbg | jhutchins2, ooops... did /dev/sdb1 instead of /dev/sdb |
| 22:23.47 | Bublik2002 | babilen: what im wondering is how running debian unstable compares to running a stable release like mint 12 or fedora 16 that already have gnome 3.2 by default |
| 22:23.48 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas, I can recommend you a tutorial on permissions: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 22:23.50 | babilen | thewanderer1: Software for missing features can easily be installed via extensions |
| 22:24.02 | babilen | Bublik2002: Horribly :) |
| 22:24.12 | boudiccas | thewanderer1; thanks, i'll do it now and then have a read |
| 22:24.35 | thewanderer1 | babilen, thanks, I'll check back in 2013 when they hit feature parity with GNOME 1.0 :) |
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| 22:24.42 | babilen | thewanderer1: hehe :) |
| 22:25.31 | jhutchins_wk_ | I thought that was scheduled for Gnome4? |
| 22:25.31 | thewanderer1 | Bublik2002, I'd say get a virtual machine set up and try Testing/Sid - nothing to lose |
| 22:25.31 | bergelmir | thewanderer1: i read http://johnleach.co.uk/words/245/encrypted-partitions-with-ubuntudebian but it seems like his /dev/mapper/vg0-home is already available. mine isn't. |
| 22:25.41 | Bublik2002 | babilen: how come debian is running so far behind? does it always take some much longer to get new software as "stable"... also when upgrading debian is it recommended to do a clean install? |
| 22:26.16 | jhutchins_wk_ | Bublik2002: It's not really. The other distros are just far more willing to distribut crap that doesn't work right or at all. |
| 22:26.19 | daemonkeeper | It's not running far behind. That's by design. |
| 22:26.28 | thewanderer1 | bergelmir, do you have cryptsetup installed, actually? if so, the initramfs image should include an automatic trigger that decrypts partitions on boot... |
| 22:26.45 | babilen | Bublik2002: But yeah, test it for yourself. I am personally running it and happy with it, but you really need sound knowledge of Debian's packaging system to deal with some problems you *will* inevitable run into. I fondly remember the day when I had to deal with a broken libc6 and *nothing* was working. |
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| 22:27.01 | jhutchins_wk_ | Mandriva had three releases in a row that wouldn't run on my laptop - that's the main reason I'm 100% Debian now. |
| 22:27.06 | thewanderer1 | Bublik2002, moving to testing/unstable is not an "upgrade" :P |
| 22:27.10 | bergelmir | thewanderer1: yep, it is installed. initramfs image? |
| 22:27.47 | Bublik2002 | thewanderer1: i mean if i decide to install squeeze and wait for wheezy to become stable |
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| 22:28.14 | jhutchins_wk_ | Bublik2002: Debian's ability to upgrade to a new release is the most advanced I know of in Linux. |
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| 22:28.38 | thewanderer1 | Bublik2002, it's recommended to install Squeeze and apt-get dist-upgrade to Wheezy/Sid if you really want to... and remember to wear a helmet :P |
| 22:29.08 | Bublik2002 | lol i always wear a helmet |
| 22:29.24 | jhutchins_wk_ | Bublik2002: What you may want to do is keep a stable partition bootable and then make a second one for Testing. That way you can compare what went wrong when it breaks. |
| 22:29.34 | thewanderer1 | (seriously, do try it on a system that you can afford to break - it may be hard to get it right if you don't have experience) |
| 22:29.39 | Bublik2002 | u guys aught to try gnome 3.2 though... its simply amazing with all the new extensions that came out |
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| 22:30.01 | jhutchins_wk_ | Bublik2002: What are you running it on? |
| 22:30.26 | Bublik2002 | jhutchins_wk_: you mean what extensions? |
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| 22:31.09 | babilen | Bublik2002: You might want to read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing and http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/pkgs.html#testing (among many others) |
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| 22:31.21 | thewanderer1 | bergelmir, does your encrypted home device appear if you execute `/etc/init.d/cryptdisks start` ? |
| 22:31.42 | bergelmir | thewanderer1: Starting remaining crypto disks...crypt-home (skipped, device /dev/mapper/crypt-home does not exist)...failed. |
| 22:31.53 | babilen | Bublik2002: I've tried Gnome3.2 and liked it (in particular with some extensions and focus-follows-mouse), but I still stay with minimal window managers. (awesome/wmii) |
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| 22:32.36 | thewanderer1 | bergelmir, err, paste the crypttab line again please? |
| 22:32.47 | bergelmir | thewanderer1: http://pastebin.com/vgJY0maU |
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| 22:33.26 | Bublik2002 | babilen: im coming from mac osx lion and so far tried ubuntu 11.10, mint 12, and fedora 16.... i really like the gnome 3.2 vanilla experience with extensions.... too bad ubuntu has that stupid unity crap otherwise i would run that |
| 22:33.55 | bergelmir | thewanderer1: /dev/mapper/crpyt-home exists after executing "crytpsetup luksOpen /dev/sda5 crypt-home" but this needs to be done on boot. |
| 22:34.01 | thewanderer1 | bergelmir, I see, the crypttab line makes no sense... the second column is supposed to be the *source* device, which can not exist, because crypt-home is created when the source is unlocked |
| 22:34.37 | thewanderer1 | bergelmir, fix the source device to be /dev/sda5 or, *RECOMMENDED*, use the UUID like this: UUID=abcd-efgh-blahblahg..... |
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| 22:35.13 | bergelmir | thewanderer1: how to find out the uuid for /dev/sda5? |
| 22:35.27 | thewanderer1 | bergelmir, "blkid" as root |
| 22:35.46 | bergelmir | thanks |
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| 22:36.08 | Bublik2002 | how do i set up a virtual machine in linux? whats the software i need? |
| 22:36.55 | babilen | Bublik2002: Frankly: Debian is about its stable releases which *are* very pleasant, predictable and fairly bug-free releases. You cannot run testing/unstable without knowing about how Debian works (internally) or at least without being willing to spend time to learn about it or work on it. I would be quite sad if your Debian experience would result in utter frustration as you constantly run into bugs and brokenness. |
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| 22:37.25 | bergelmir | thewanderer1: crypt-home /dev/disk/by-uuid/9ebdaab6-de88-4ef5-a9ee-45aea1046650 none luks |
| 22:37.34 | babilen | Bublik2002: I recommend kvm+virt-manager for virtual machines ... virtualbox is also quite popular. (apart from that there are many other) |
| 22:38.05 | thewanderer1 | Bublik2002, have you got hardware virtualization support in your hardware? (try this to find out: egrep -q '(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo && echo HAS || echo HAS NOT ) |
| 22:38.16 | Bublik2002 | babilen: thanks for the honesty... i probably would come into some issues...i might just install debian stable on my other partition and play around with it to start to get used to it and then once wheezy is released with gnome 3.2 as stable i can just change to debian |
| 22:38.19 | bergelmir | thewanderer1: ha! /etc/init.d/cryptdisks asks for my passphrase |
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| 22:39.18 | nprice | I have a couple services I'm trying to enable, and when I do i get this: insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `postgrey' overwrites defaults (2 3 4 5). any ideas? |
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| 22:40.03 | bergelmir | thewanderer1: will reboot to verify if all is working as expected. |
| 22:40.07 | Bublik2002 | babilen: when upgrading from one stable debian version to a new one is it encouraged to do a clean install or just update? |
| 22:40.43 | Bublik2002 | thewanderer1: replied with HAS |
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| 22:40.59 | babilen | Bublik2002: Yeah, definitely start with Squeeze -- you can always upgrade to wheezy. (in particular after it has been released) -- We will help you with issues you run into, but with stability also comes the need to test software. Testing it and fixing bugs takes time, so you don't get the newest and shiniest software. For a lot of packages this isn't much of a problem as you can backport to stable/squeeze, but this is not possible for ... |
| 22:41.05 | babilen | ... something as large as Gnome. |
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| 22:41.48 | thewanderer1 | Bublik2002, good, then you're free to run KVM with some graphical interface to it as suggested. libvirt-bin + virt-manager is really nice (do read the docs in /usr/share/docs/libvirt-bin, too!) |
| 22:41.57 | babilen | Bublik2002: It is definitely recommended to upgrade. Upgrades are typically well tested and the easiest way -- Many people still use systems that have been installed years ago :) |
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| 22:42.03 | Bublik2002 | the one thing that debian seems to have compared to the other distros is such an active irc channel with people that are willing to help |
| 22:42.11 | Bublik2002 | every time i asked a questions in arch i got RTFM |
| 22:42.42 | babilen | Bublik2002: Thamks :) -- Yeah, you only get help in here if you run pure Debian. |
| 22:43.03 | Bublik2002 | i understand |
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| 22:47.32 | Bublik2002 | babilen: should i download the cd iso image or dvd? and if i want the 64bit version do i get amd64? |
| 22:48.15 | nkuttler | Bublik2002: amd64, yeah. i prefer the netinst img |
| 22:48.20 | babilen | Bublik2002: yes, you download amd64 for 64bit. Do you have a working internet connection during the installation? On which hardware are you installing? (lspci -nn → http://paste.debian.net for example) |
| 22:48.21 | nkuttler | !tell Bublik2002 about netinst |
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| 22:48.48 | bergelmir | thewanderer1: works fine but i am getting a non-blocking fatal error (Error inserting padlock_sha (/lib/...): No such device) |
| 22:48.59 | factor | Anyone know of a package that can convert to pcm format |
| 22:49.05 | factor | sound format to pcm |
| 22:49.22 | thewanderer1 | bergelmir, ignore it, the kernel just tries to brute-force the module to load and verbosely fails at that - perfectly normal if you don't have a VIA CPU |
| 22:49.49 | Bublik2002 | babilen: i have a wireless internet connection not wired... is it going to easily set up my wireless card? |
| 22:49.58 | bergelmir | thewanderer1: okay :) thanks for your help! |
| 22:50.27 | babilen | Bublik2002: No way to connect via ethernet? Can you disable encryption? |
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| 22:51.03 | thewanderer1 | ↑ don't forget the firmware, too :/ |
| 22:51.12 | Bublik2002 | babilen: yeah but its a pain in the ass... i will just get the full setup... what is the difference between the cd and the dvd download? |
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| 22:52.26 | Bublik2002 | woah when i click on cd theres 10 cd isos? |
| 22:52.31 | babilen | Bublik2002: In that case I would recommend the DVD1 as it contains everyhting (including network-manager) that *you* probably need to install a complete desktop and to enable you to connect to your wireless. One peculiarity of Debian is that we take free software a little more serious than other distributions and that firmware has been stripped from the kernel. |
| 22:53.04 | thewanderer1 | Bublik2002, only 10? I thought there was about 40 CD's? O.o |
| 22:53.07 | babilen | Bublik2002: You therefore have to provide this firmware manually (which you can do during the installation, or afterwards) -- This really depends on your specific hardware though. |
| 22:53.08 | Bublik2002 | babilen: when i click on dvd theres 8 dvd images.. i need all of them? |
| 22:53.15 | babilen | !tell Bublik2002 -about installer firmware |
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| 22:53.55 | thewanderer1 | Bublik2002, get DVD1 only, if you manage to configure wireless with that you'll pull the rest directly from the Internet, without involving external media |
| 22:53.58 | babilen | Bublik2002: No, you only need the first. The entirety of the DVD collection contains *every* package in Debian main. You really only need that if you are *never* able to connect to the internet. |
| 22:54.32 | Bublik2002 | babilen: what does it mean to provide firmware |
| 22:54.46 | babilen | !tell Bublik2002 -about firmware |
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| 22:55.03 | Bublik2002 | why is the install soo much bigger than any other distro? |
| 22:55.46 | babilen | Bublik2002: Some hardware needs non-free binary blobs (called firmware) to work -- Debian does not distribute this by default, but you can download and install it seperately. |
| 22:56.15 | thewanderer1 | Bublik2002, the installer itself, netinst, is just around 180MB, and it pulls the rest from the Internet - you need an Ethernet connection for it to work, though, or a WEP/unencrypted setup |
| 22:56.50 | Bublik2002 | eh i think i'm too new to linux to undertake this |
| 22:57.13 | Bublik2002 | the same things that seemed to stump me in arch.. couldnt figure out how to configure my wireless card |
| 22:57.15 | babilen | Bublik2002: The installation is not necessarily bigger than other distributions. You can, in fact, install a very minimal system. My recommendations are based on the assumption that you do want to install a desktop manager and that you would like to use network-manager to configure your network. Unfortunately network-manager is not on CD1 (but on DVD1) which is why I recommended that. |
| 22:58.04 | babilen | Bublik2002: Are you running linux right now? |
| 22:58.16 | Bublik2002 | yeah |
| 22:58.30 | babilen | Bublik2002: Could you paste the output of "lspci -nn" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 22:58.33 | Bublik2002 | fedora 16 but the install was so painless |
| 22:59.02 | thewanderer1 | Bublik2002, basically, it boils down to installing the system, copying a .deb with the WiFi firmware to it and installing that... and that's because Debian only ships free software and hardware vendors refuse to release theirs as free |
| 22:59.07 | Bublik2002 | babilen: im on my laptop right now.. i would be doing the install on my desktop |
| 23:00.23 | babilen | Bublik2002: Yeah, thewanderer1's remark is entirely true. I just wanted to check which steps are *really* needed to get your wireless working with Debian. |
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| 23:01.21 | Bublik2002 | ok let me run up to my desktop and do that command.. brb |
| 23:02.15 | babilen | Bublik2002: What we need is the PCIID of your network card, which is an alphanumerical identifier at the end of the line you get when you run "lspci -nn|grep -i network" |
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| 23:04.43 | ben__ | babilen: hey its Bublik2002.. where did you want me to copy and paste the lspci-nn? |
| 23:04.52 | babilen | ben__: http://paste.debian.net |
| 23:05.00 | babilen | ben__: And it is "lspci -nn" |
| 23:06.15 | ben__ | ok i posted it |
| 23:06.57 | babilen | URL is http://paste.debian.net/149689 for people who are following |
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| 23:07.17 | babilen | !AR5008 |
| 23:07.17 | dpkg | ath9k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11n PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets. Included since Linux 2.6.27, firmware from userspace is not required. For Atheros 802.11n USB device support, ask me about <ath9k_htc>, <ar9170>. http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
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| 23:07.32 | Bublik2002 | babilen: so thats good news right? |
| 23:07.44 | babilen | Bublik2002: That should work out of the box, so yeah definitely good news :) |
| 23:07.54 | Bublik2002 | babilen: so if i download dvd iso 1 i shouldnt have any problems? |
| 23:08.27 | babilen | Bublik2002: yeah, if you run into problems just come back. |
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| 23:08.45 | Bublik2002 | babilen: ok and i can install it off my 4gb usb ? |
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| 23:09.07 | babilen | Bublik2002: One thing should be noted though: You probably have to configure online repositories after your installation if you don't configure your network during the installation. |
| 23:09.34 | babilen | Bublik2002: Hmm, I never used the DVD images for USB installs -- Are they small enough? |
| 23:10.09 | Bublik2002 | babilen: thats fine ill just burn it to a dvd... why would i have to configure the repositories if you say it will set it up during the install? |
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| 23:11.38 | babilen | Bublik2002: IIRC online repositories are not configured if you don't configure your network during the installation. Your system will be setup to install software from the DVD -- That is easily fixed afterwards though. Would you like to learn how now or do you prefer to do this once you finished the installation? |
| 23:12.12 | Bublik2002 | ill just come back after the install.. it will be tomorrow though cause i have to take my family out right now |
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| 23:12.19 | Bublik2002 | thank you soo much for your help |
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| 23:12.35 | Bublik2002 | im downloading the image and will attempt to install tomorrow |
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| 23:13.11 | babilen | Bublik2002: Ok, have fun. Just come here if you run into problems. |
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| 23:13.43 | Bublik2002 | oh i will :).. i have to other laptops so ill find you |
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| 23:14.41 | babilen | Bublik2002: I haven't made plans for tomorrow yet, so I might not be here, but others can help you as well. You want to configure online repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:14.48 | hikenboot1 | I wonder how hard it is to convert a volume from xfs to zfs-fuse? anyone done it? |
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| 23:15.20 | hikenboot1 | I have a raid-10 running lvm and xfs...but I would like to take advantage of the more advanced zfs-fuse |
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| 23:16.02 | babilen | hikenboot1: I have to confess that I don't know much about xfs, but I would be surprised if it is possible to convert it in-place. Also zfs-fuse is not a filesystem I would really recommend. If you want ZFS run kfreebsd (or freebsd) ... use ext*, jfs or xfs on linux. |
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| 23:16.13 | Bublik2002 | babilen: what do i do once i get into that file? |
| 23:16.27 | babilen | Bublik2002: Which country are you living in? |
| 23:16.38 | thewanderer1 | (would cdn.debian.net not do?) |
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| 23:16.44 | babilen | sure, it would |
| 23:16.46 | abrotman | he's in FL |
| 23:16.51 | babilen | !tell Bublik2002 -about sources.list |
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| 23:17.12 | hikenboot1 | babilen there is currently another full port of zfs for linux |
| 23:17.18 | hikenboot1 | http://zfsonlinux.org/example-zpl.html |
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| 23:17.39 | hikenboot1 | so what is the zfs-fuse if its not the file system? |
| 23:17.48 | babilen | hikenboot1: Oh, I wasn't aware of that. Is that a full kernel-level implementation? Ah well, I just take a look myself. |
| 23:17.56 | Bublik2002 | babilen: so i just add a couple lines to the file... sounds painless enough |
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| 23:18.26 | hikenboot1 | it looks like its not supported till a few kernel revisions newer than mine ..sigh...too bad |
| 23:18.27 | thewanderer1 | hikenboot1, zfs-fuse is stable but *slow as hell*... and there's no smart way to go about migrating it, you just backup, make ZFS, and restore |
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| 23:18.37 | babilen | I had the impression that ZFS could never reach Linux (at least kernel module wise) due to its licensing. |
| 23:18.41 | hikenboot1 | looks like I am goign to do a lot of waiting to get all the features I am after in one box |
| 23:19.13 | thewanderer1 | hikenboot1, Nexenta OS in KVM → there you go |
| 23:19.22 | abrotman | or use a freebsd kernel |
| 23:19.27 | derric | Does anybody know of a basic Finite Elemanet Analyzer FEA that has a debian package? |
| 23:19.43 | hikenboot1 | yes and i have experience with nexeta I was just hoping to avoid a virtual layer of abstraction |
| 23:20.00 | hikenboot1 | figured it would be faster that way |
| 23:20.38 | jancsika | hello. I'm trying to understand key signing wrt debian repos. If someone breaks into a debian repo and changes a package, would apt-get or synaptic refuse to install it due to incorrect signature (assuming the dev's private key has not been compromised)? |
| 23:20.39 | hikenboot1 | I dont have pci pass through on my chips and not sure kvm supports it |
| 23:20.59 | Bublik2002 | babilen: what do you think of linux mint debian edition? is there a difference between that and debian? or is it just simpler to install/ |
| 23:21.13 | babilen | Bublik2002: Yeah, that's it. Update the lists of available packages with "aptitude update" and you can install software to your liking. More details about package installation can be found in http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/pkgs.html and a nice chapter to read is also http://debian-handbook.info/files/2011/11/chapter-apt-free-sample.pdf |
| 23:21.21 | thewanderer1 | hikenboot1, KVM has performance almost equal to that of bare-metal these days (at least according to Phoronix benchmarks), but check I/O benchmarks specifically to see if that's suitable |
| 23:22.16 | hikenboot1 | I am running currently xfs on a raid-10 and it seems to be slow as all hell not getting the same throughput that I was when i was running a virtual install of nexenta over vmware.. |
| 23:22.28 | thewanderer1 | Bublik2002, the difference between "LMDE" and Debian is that we only support Debian here, plus the other distro is probably more bug-ladden :P |
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| 23:23.06 | thewanderer1 | hikenboot1, xfs might not be the fastest of the bunch, try ext4 |
| 23:23.26 | hikenboot1 | wow now i am surprised..i thought xfs was faster than ext4 ...good to know |
| 23:23.43 | thewanderer1 | workload-dependent |
| 23:23.56 | Bublik2002 | thewanderer1: do you think lmde is more newb friendly and easier to intsall? |
| 23:24.19 | thewanderer1 | Bublik2002, yes... I also think it'd backfire on you :) |
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| 23:24.44 | Bublik2002 | thewanderer1: you mean cause i wont be able to get support in here? |
| 23:25.12 | abrotman | we don't support LMDE, so if you want to ask about it, ask them, not us |
| 23:25.49 | Monotoko | hey guys... any ideas why on earth dig is reading from the wrong server when I've set resolv.conf up to use 127.0.0.1 first? |
| 23:25.50 | Monotoko | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.06 | babilen | would be disappointed if you wouldn't even try Debian after he provided all this information. ;( |
| 23:26.18 | Bublik2002 | ok you're right :) |
| 23:26.27 | Bublik2002 | im downloading and will try it tomorrow |
| 23:26.37 | abrotman | Monotoko: perhaps because 127.0.0.1 doesn't answer? |
| 23:27.02 | Monotoko | abrotman, why wouldn't it answer? It has bind9 on it, up and running! |
| 23:27.05 | babilen | Bublik2002: But linux is about choice -- Use whatever you like best. |
| 23:27.32 | hikenboot1 | thewanderer1: looks like i am just going to wait out another painful 3-4 months that way proxmox will support 2.0 on a later kernel...iscsitarget will have features supporting micrsoft cluster disks and zfs on linux should be considered a stable entry |
| 23:27.34 | Bublik2002 | babilen: i understand.. i have a lot of time on my hands so i can try them all and make a decision :) |
| 23:27.43 | abrotman | Monotoko: doesn't mean it's giving back useful infomration |
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| 23:28.21 | Monotoko | abrotman, it's worked up until now... |
| 23:28.34 | Monotoko | can I give you the bind file I have set up for that domain? |
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| 23:28.58 | abrotman | give me? |
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| 23:29.01 | pythonsnake | Hello. |
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| 23:29.12 | abrotman | why don't you just force dig to ask 127.0.0.1 instead of leaving it to chance |
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| 23:29.27 | Monotoko | abrotman, how do I do that? |
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| 23:29.39 | abrotman | man dig |
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| 23:31.21 | Monotoko | abrotman, I know I've probably done something wrong here... but as I say, it's worked until now: http://pastebin.com/LpFDTrBu |
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| 23:33.12 | Monotoko | all I need it to do is reply back with the correct IP for the A-record |
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| 23:35.05 | crosswalk | Is there a man or info page concerning wildcard characters? |
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| 23:35.48 | cthuluh | which wildcard characters? |
| 23:35.50 | epsilon | google for \ |
| 23:35.51 | Monotoko | ... I put .us instead of .com -.- |
| 23:36.03 | cromag | is it possible to find all folders/files a user has access to ? |
| 23:36.18 | epsilon | find, grep |
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| 23:36.57 | epsilon | probably in combination with exec, ls |
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| 23:37.26 | cromag | hmm yeah |
| 23:37.33 | cthuluh | ls is probably a bad idea, but... perhaps launching locate as that user id, and store the output in an alternate database |
| 23:37.36 | cromag | i hoped for an easier way i guess :) |
| 23:37.41 | jhujhiti | i have an ssl CA cert thats expiration is past 2038 and openssl is choking on it. any ideas? |
| 23:37.53 | cthuluh | cromag: that is the fastest and less hackish way I can think of |
| 23:38.04 | cromag | cthuluh: yeah, that sounds a bit better. |
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| 23:38.23 | epsilon | jhujhiti: define "choking" |
| 23:38.46 | cthuluh | cromag: err, updatedb / mklocatedb / whatever ; locate is only used for retrieval |
| 23:38.52 | jhujhiti | epsilon: it thinks it expires in 1975. |
| 23:38.58 | crosswalk | cthuluh: I'm looking for something that will exclude the moving of a directory into itself. |
| 23:39.20 | jhujhiti | ooh, this is odd. it's not openssl, it's strongswan... |
| 23:39.31 | cthuluh | crosswalk: mv !(directory) directory |
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| 23:39.42 | cthuluh | crosswalk: with bash and shopt -s extglob |
| 23:40.03 | crosswalk | Figured it would be something involving a '!' character. Thanks, cthuluh. |
| 23:40.19 | cthuluh | jhujhiti: seriously, a certificate valid after 2038? |
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| 23:40.40 | thewanderer1 | jhujhiti, time on i386 is 32-bit, upgrade to amd64 already |
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| 23:40.49 | jhujhiti | it's a 64 bit machine |
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| 23:41.02 | thewanderer1 | then perhaps the file format uses a 32-bit int for exp date? |
| 23:41.08 | jhujhiti | and yes, it's a CA cert and i just didn't want to deal with the rollover so i gave it a ridiculous expiration date |
| 23:41.24 | thewanderer1 | make it 2037, then... |
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| 23:41.30 | naptastic | Hi. I know netbooting is kindof a fringe thing anymore, but, is there a good way to make the linux-image package play nice with it? |
| 23:41.57 | thewanderer1 | naptastic, I just copy it over manually to my TFTP server every time it changes, not much of a hassle really |
| 23:42.01 | cthuluh | jhujhiti: I find this approach a bit cynical ; I can't see how I would trust your cert then |
| 23:42.16 | jhujhiti | cthuluh: that's why it's MY cert |
| 23:42.38 | jhujhiti | did you want to argue about something i'm doing for personal use that no one else will ever see, or did you have something valuable to say? |
| 23:42.50 | naptastic | thewanderer1, Ok, that makes sense; the dpkg installation step still fails, so the OS doesn't think it's installed, which is annoying, though it still works AFAICT. |
| 23:43.03 | epsilon | jhujhiti: maybe i can take a look on it, is it used on some sites on web? |
| 23:43.06 | cthuluh | jhujhiti: the former, before you said it was for personal use |
| 23:43.10 | thewanderer1 | naptastic, strange, installing in chroot works for me |
| 23:43.10 | abrotman | Monotoko: got it figured out ? |
| 23:43.29 | naptastic | thewanderer1, Ah, maybe that's the problem. Lemme try that. (I've been trying from the client.) |
| 23:43.39 | jhujhiti | epsilon: http://crypto.adjectivism.org/adjectivism.org.crt 100 year validity |
| 23:43.48 | Monotoko | abrotman, aye... I was using .us instead of .com... so of course, it couldn't resolve the .com domain >.> need to watch what I'm typing! |
| 23:43.49 | naptastic | O_O |
| 23:44.00 | thewanderer1 | naptastic, that should work equally well... I'd suggest actually reading the error messages :P |
| 23:44.12 | abrotman | Monotoko: okeedokee |
| 23:44.12 | naptastic | Webs of trust with public key servers and recovation > * |
| 23:44.24 | naptastic | thewanderer1, lol, I'll check that out as well right now ;-) |
| 23:44.25 | Monotoko | abrotman, thanks for your help :) |
| 23:44.26 | jhujhiti | epsilon: openssl x509 reads it correctly. strongswan isn't. i'm frantically `ldd`ing to figure out what library is doing this |
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| 23:44.46 | abrotman | Monotoko: you're welcome .. glad i could be of such great service |
| 23:44.56 | cthuluh | when buggy tools meet lazy users |
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| 23:45.27 | pythonsnake | is there a command to check internet speed? |
| 23:45.50 | naptastic | pythonsnake, not exactly, but you can wget something from a known-fast server and see how it performs |
| 23:45.57 | jhujhiti | as far as I can tell every library the daemon is linked against is 64 bit |
| 23:46.20 | epsilon | jhujhiti: guess some kind of overflow, 100years cert is kinda pointless |
| 23:46.24 | Monotoko | pythonsnake, wget one of these: http://www.thinkbroadband.com/download.html |
| 23:46.36 | naptastic | ^^ |
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| 23:47.37 | Monotoko | right... foundations sorted, next on the list... FTP -.- |
| 23:47.41 | epsilon | jhujhiti: regenerate cert with 20 years and be happy |
| 23:47.43 | jhujhiti | bah, i'm going to have to rebuild this entire CA |
| 23:47.52 | abrotman | Monotoko: you mean scp ? or sftp? |
| 23:47.53 | pythonsnake | thanks |
| 23:48.11 | epsilon | jhujhiti: just the cert, not CA |
| 23:48.20 | Monotoko | abrotman, I sadly mean neither because the developers my boss hires have no idea how to use either... trust me, I spent a month trying to teach them |
| 23:48.25 | jhujhiti | epsilon: it's the CA cert that's the problem |
| 23:48.32 | abrotman | Monotoko: filezilla, make it transparent? |
| 23:48.44 | jhujhiti | epsilon: i don't use 100 year validity on a client cert -- how dumb do you think i am? ;) |
| 23:49.09 | crosswalk | cthuluh: I'm getting an "bash: !: event not found" message when trying to use the ! character. |
| 23:49.11 | Monotoko | abrotman, they're in India and insist on using their own buggy clients |
| 23:49.26 | abrotman | Monotoko: aren't they *your* employees? |
| 23:49.31 | cthuluh | crosswalk: run ''shopt -s extglob'' before |
| 23:49.33 | Monotoko | I've been to my boss about it many times... and no, they are my bosses |
| 23:49.45 | abrotman | but still .. you know what i mean |
| 23:49.52 | cthuluh | crosswalk: else you won't be able to use !() |
| 23:50.26 | pythonsnake | The server at download.thinkbroadband.com is taking too long to respond. |
| 23:50.27 | karlpinc | Monotoko: FWIW, I've found vsftpd to be my ftp server of choice. |
| 23:50.30 | crosswalk | cthuluh: Ah, I see what you meant now. What exactly will that command be doing if you don't mind me asking? |
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| 23:51.11 | cthuluh | crosswalk: ''help shopt'', man bash<enter>/extglob<enter> |
| 23:51.26 | Monotoko | karlpinc, we use proftpd because of the mysql backend functions... we're just migrating to a new "beta" server so I'm having to move everything across |
| 23:51.30 | crosswalk | cthuluh: Got ya. Thank you. |
| 23:52.08 | karlpinc | Monotoko: Ugh. MySQL. Your job is sounding better and better. :) |
| 23:52.34 | blip2 | Monotoko: pureftpd is more awesome |
| 23:52.35 | Monotoko | for the actual production build I'm going to disable FTP altogether and use sftp to do what I need to... but I fear they might not be able to use SSH keys either -.- |
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| 23:55.01 | naptastic | thewanderer1, doing apt-get (install|upgrade) from chroot instead of from the client did the trick. Thank you!!! |
| 23:55.15 | abrotman | Monotoko: jesus, who decides the technology used there .. |
| 23:55.16 | karlpinc | Monotoko: You could make them install openvpn. But then again, it sounds like a lost cause. |
| 23:55.39 | abrotman | well, i guess at least it's F/OSS .. |
| 23:55.57 | Monotoko | abrotman, karlpinc ... it gets worse! They use FTP to push any updates to the code :) |
| 23:56.04 | Monotoko | no version control |
| 23:56.06 | Monotoko | what so ever |
| 23:56.07 | naptastic | buys thewanderer1 a $beverage |
| 23:56.46 | thewanderer1 | thanks :D |
| 23:57.03 | karlpinc | Monotoko: You could fexex them a shevaplug that initates an openvpn connection into your server and proxies, but it'd have to email everybody with a new IP should it's dhcp lease expire. |
| 23:57.26 | karlpinc | s/'// |
| 23:57.42 | heldus | hi. i'm trying to get a package from unstable. i thus added the unstable source to sources.list and used pinning to not have all packages upgraded to unstable. yet the pinning information seems to be ignored by apt-get upgrade which always tries to upgrade linux-base to unstable... |
| 23:57.48 | abrotman | Monotoko: do they at least have VCS at teh development site? |
| 23:57.53 | abrotman | heldus: that was a mistake |
| 23:58.02 | abrotman | heldus: which package is this |
| 23:58.23 | heldus | abrotman: i need libapache2-mod-fastcgi v2.4.7 which is in unstable only. |
| 23:58.45 | Monotoko | abrotman, nope.. I do a daily backup with version control to keep everything neat but that's about it... but it doesn't use dhcp... it's a little server from a local company in a datacenter :) |
| 23:58.52 | abrotman | heldus: /msg dpkg ssb .. stop trying to pin |
| 23:59.21 | abrotman | Monotoko: do you live in Montana? is that why you put up with that? no other jobs? :) |
| 23:59.49 | Monotoko | abrotman, I'm a student in the UK... no other places will take me until I graduate, and I'm on minimum wage :( |
| 23:59.59 | abrotman | hehe |