| 00:00.05 | darsie | That will delete the data on the stick. |
| 00:00.24 | babilen | darsie: But you can probably also just place the firmware on another partition on the stick or just install it after the initial install. |
| 00:00.35 | babilen | darsie: Yes, that would delete existing data on the stick. |
| 00:00.48 | darsie | I can't do a network install without the network firmware. |
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| 00:01.20 | darsie | My USB installer boots just fine. It just asks me for the network firmware. |
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| 00:01.56 | darsie | so I just put /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw on the stick? |
| 00:02.05 | babilen | darsie: Yeah, put it on another partition of your stick -- I have never done that though, works with the hybrid images though. |
| 00:02.21 | darsie | I'll try ... |
| 00:02.21 | babilen | darsie: No, you put the .deb on the stick. |
| 00:02.26 | darsie | ahh, ok. |
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| 00:08.43 | darsie | Hmm, it doesn't ask for the firmware anymore, but the wireless access doesn't seem to work. It doesn't ask me which network to connect to and for the WPA password. |
| 00:09.40 | darsie | Do I need to use the cable? |
| 00:10.23 | streuner_ | no, read http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 00:12.06 | babilen | darsie: WPA is not supported by squeeze's installer. |
| 00:12.11 | darsie | ok |
| 00:12.35 | darsie | Would it work if I disabled the encryption? |
| 00:13.01 | darsie | I would still need to select the network. |
| 00:13.07 | babilen | darsie: You could try http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer (make sure to install squeeze!) which is, however, often broken, use cd1/dvd1 or connect via ethernet. |
| 00:13.24 | babilen | darsie: Yes, it would work if you disable the encryption. |
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| 00:13.48 | trist4n | cool. it is done. |
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| 00:13.59 | streuner_ | Is squeeze installed on that machine or not? |
| 00:14.08 | darsie | no. MeeGo |
| 00:14.11 | babilen | My understanding is that it is not. |
| 00:14.21 | Bublik2002 | babilen: im still having problems :( how come i cant copy and paste into terminal? |
| 00:14.36 | babilen | darsie: meego? You are installing meego? Why do you ask in #debian then? |
| 00:14.50 | darsie | MeeGo is installed. I'm installing debian. |
| 00:14.55 | babilen | Ah! :) |
| 00:15.13 | babilen | Bublik2002: Which terminal and how do you copy/paste? |
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| 00:15.48 | Bublik2002 | babilen: i right click in the gnome terminal and select paste |
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| 00:17.05 | babilen | Bublik2002: Should work, are you sure that you copied something? If so: From where? Can you select text and paste it with the middle mouse button? |
| 00:17.37 | babilen | Bublik2002: Can you paste into other applications? Can you paste from gnome-terminal? |
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| 00:17.53 | Bublik2002 | babilen: from the ugly default browser that was installed |
| 00:18.04 | Bublik2002 | babilen: from yes |
| 00:18.48 | babilen | Which browser is that? Can you select something *in* the terminal and paste it back into it? |
| 00:19.14 | Bublik2002 | yeah that works |
| 00:19.24 | Bublik2002 | let me try a different browser |
| 00:19.33 | Bublik2002 | i cant believe it doesnt even install mozilla by default :( |
| 00:19.55 | streuner_ | iceweasel its in Debian |
| 00:20.15 | Bublik2002 | ok its working from the other browser.. odd |
| 00:20.22 | Bublik2002 | yeah iceweasel |
| 00:21.05 | babilen | Bublik2002: You probably want to install a newer version of iceweasel anyway -- Follow http://mozilla.debian.net and upgrade iceweasel to the version in -release |
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| 00:21.38 | Bublik2002 | babilen: im still trying to download xchat.. getting really fucking frustrated.... it says cant find package |
| 00:22.13 | streuner_ | judd, versions xchat |
| 00:22.16 | judd | Package: xchat on i386 -- lenny: 2.8.6-2.1; squeeze: 2.8.8-3; sid: 2.8.8-3.1+b1; wheezy: 2.8.8-3.1+b1 |
| 00:22.23 | babilen | Bublik2002: Do you use my sources.list now? Can you show me the sources.list you use currently and the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy xchat" ? |
| 00:22.55 | Bublik2002 | what was the one you gave me before.. just got back home |
| 00:23.18 | streuner_ | Bublik2002: please show us your sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 00:23.58 | babilen | Bublik2002: http://paste.debian.net/149795/ |
| 00:24.00 | simonlnu | http://paste.debian.net/149779/ |
| 00:24.27 | babilen | simonlnu's is the one without squeeze-updates |
| 00:24.33 | babilen | (my original suggestion) |
| 00:24.34 | simonlnu | ah ok |
| 00:24.46 | simonlnu | 16:27 <babilen> Bublik2002: Edit your sources.list and put something like http://paste.debian.net/149779/ ... |
| 00:24.54 | babilen | exactly :) |
| 00:24.59 | Bublik2002 | 149796 |
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| 00:25.28 | simonlnu | /lastlog sources.list # :P |
| 00:25.28 | streuner_ | hm, an old child sickness of Linux, copy and paste doesnt work really good sometimes |
| 00:25.29 | babilen | Bublik2002: Yeah, you are missing the "normal" repositories (i.e. the first two lines from mine) |
| 00:25.36 | abrotman | Bublik2002: /msg dpkg squeeze sources.list |
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| 00:26.06 | streuner_ | oh, 4 persons who help him now |
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| 00:26.27 | simonlnu | i was earlier, then i had to go to sleep ;) |
| 00:26.31 | Bublik2002 | babilen: what are you talking about mine is the exact copy of your 149779 post |
| 00:26.33 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 00:26.47 | abrotman | Bublik2002: no, it's not |
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| 00:26.54 | abrotman | Bublik2002: read carefully |
| 00:27.22 | babilen | Bublik2002: It is not -- Compare the first two lines. One has "squeeze" (mine) and the other (yours) has "squeeze-updates" |
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| 00:27.54 | Bublik2002 | oh my b |
| 00:27.55 | babilen | Bublik2002: Just use http://paste.debian.net/149795/ and be done with it. |
| 00:27.56 | Bublik2002 | got it |
| 00:28.01 | simonlnu | which are quite different in purpose |
| 00:28.03 | Bublik2002 | yeah it wasnt pasting earlier |
| 00:28.05 | Bublik2002 | pasted now |
| 00:28.18 | Bublik2002 | thank you so much for your patience guys.. i really appreciate it |
| 00:29.10 | Bublik2002 | ahhh xchat is good to go :) |
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| 00:29.55 | Bublik2002 | ok brb .. gonna log in from my debian laptop and start the install on my desktop |
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| 00:30.49 | abrotman | wait .. he's gonna start over?! |
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| 00:30.59 | Bublik2002 | ahh ok there we go :) |
| 00:31.12 | babilen | abrotman: No, he finished the installation on the laptop and is now installing the desktop. |
| 00:31.22 | abrotman | right .. he's starting over! |
| 00:31.26 | Bublik2002 | babilen: ok got xchat.. now how do i get mozilla |
| 00:31.38 | babilen | abrotman: well, ok .. right ;) |
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| 00:31.49 | abrotman | Bublik2002: aptitude install iceweasel |
| 00:31.50 | babilen | Bublik2002: http://mozilla.debian.net (you want release) |
| 00:31.53 | streuner_ | Bublik2002: <iceweasel> |
| 00:32.03 | babilen | haha |
| 00:32.06 | Bublik2002 | why iceweasel? |
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| 00:32.37 | streuner_ | Bublik2002: please pay more attention, we told you, that this mozilla stuff is called iceweasel in Debian |
| 00:32.53 | Bublik2002 | ok but why? |
| 00:33.00 | streuner_ | dpkg, why iceweasel |
| 00:33.01 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 00:33.01 | babilen | !tell Bublik2002 -about why iceweasel |
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| 00:33.30 | Bublik2002 | lol |
| 00:33.45 | Bublik2002 | will chrome work or is there a different name for that too? |
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| 00:34.57 | streuner_ | no |
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| 00:35.12 | engla | it has a different name, chromium |
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| 00:35.32 | valeriusN | knows that weasel is the name for a mail server for OS/2, not sure for iceweasel :) |
| 00:36.06 | valeriusN | engla, so, chromium is the same as chrome, but rebranded? |
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| 00:36.09 | Bublik2002 | wait a minute.... i can only use chromium not chrome? |
| 00:36.09 | streuner_ | Bublik2002: not in that form of iceweasel, just run "aptitude search chrome*" |
| 00:36.19 | Bublik2002 | its not the same |
| 00:36.28 | Bublik2002 | the 60 minutes app doesnt work in chromium but works in chrome |
| 00:36.34 | engla | valeriusN: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_%28web_browser%29 mostly |
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| 00:38.14 | babilen | Bublik2002: You can download chrome from google |
| 00:38.27 | Bublik2002 | babilen: oh ok perfect thats all i wanted to know |
| 00:38.36 | streuner_ | anyway, whats the difference between chrome and chromium? |
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| 00:39.07 | Bublik2002 | i told you some apps dont run in chromium correctly |
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| 00:39.30 | streuner_ | apps? you mean plugins? |
| 00:39.30 | babilen | Bublik2002: "deb http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main" totally unsupported by us though (may eat your kitten, paint your bicicle pink, break everyhting, yadda yadda) |
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| 00:40.20 | Bublik2002 | what is gdebi? every time i download something should i install using that? |
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| 00:40.40 | valeriusN | ppl, what is Debian/kFreeBSD? is it a packages from Debian ported to FreeBSD Linux compatibility subsystem? |
| 00:41.06 | babilen | Bublik2002: some gnome frontend to dpkg (you would typically use "dpkg -i the.deb") -- For chrome I'd use the google repos |
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| 00:41.18 | hikenboot1 | hoping i might find someone with some interest in trying to get ZFS installed natively on linux that might try and pull these files located here http://zfsonlinux.org/example-zpl.html and try and get it successfully compiled I am getting errors that say kstat.h:149: error: conflicting types for âkstat_initâ that i cant seem to find a fix for |
| 00:41.19 | streuner_ | valeriusN: /msg dpkg kfreebsd |
| 00:41.23 | babilen | (if I were using chrome) |
| 00:42.06 | streuner_ | valeriusN: keep in mind, somebody told us earlier here, you need to install kfreebsd... |
| 00:42.16 | babilen | Bublik2002: Installing random packages manually is also a quick way to break your box, so be *really careful* (read that as "don't do it") |
| 00:42.24 | streuner_ | valeriusN: (its not enough to just install the kernel...) |
| 00:42.36 | blackshirt | babilen: what the mean "random packages" ? |
| 00:43.02 | Bublik2002 | W: GPG error: http://mozilla.debian.net squeeze-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 85A3D26506C4AE2A |
| 00:43.03 | Bublik2002 | W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable/main amd64 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/dl.google.com_linux_chrome_deb_dists_stable_main_binary-amd64_Packages) |
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| 00:43.12 | babilen | blackshirt: Download .debs from third-party websites an install them manually. |
| 00:43.26 | Bublik2002 | babilen: this was from www.google.com/chrome |
| 00:43.36 | blackshirt | babilen: that was not recommended |
| 00:43.41 | Bublik2002 | babilen: same way i installed when on ubuntu and fedora and mint |
| 00:44.32 | babilen | Bublik2002: Yeah, your system doesn't know about the gpg key google uses to sign their gpg packages. Did you already install the package manually from google? Did you *also* add the line I gave you to your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 00:45.10 | Bublik2002 | babilen: yes i installed using gdebi from google and yes i did add the line to sources.list |
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| 00:45.53 | babilen | Bublik2002: Remove the line you added manually. Google's packages add a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ that contains that line which now causes the duplicate entry warning. |
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| 00:47.05 | babilen | Bublik2002: To download the GPG key and add it to apt's keyring run "gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-keys 85A3D26506C4AE2A ; gpg --export 85A3D26506C4AE2A | sudo apt-key add -" -- Note that we *do not* support google's repos. |
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| 00:49.46 | Bublik2002 | so i add that google line you gave me earlier in a sources.list.d which is now empty? |
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| 00:50.44 | babilen | Bublik2002: You should have a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ which was installed by the chrome package |
| 00:50.56 | Bublik2002 | babilen: not there |
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| 00:51.01 | Bublik2002 | its empty |
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| 00:51.08 | babilen | !show sources.list |
| 00:51.09 | dpkg | Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
| 00:51.30 | babilen | Bublik2002: Run that command ^^^ and paste the output. |
| 00:51.31 | beefcube | is there any difference between the icedove/iceweasel [mozilla package] version numbers and the mozilla parents? |
| 00:51.42 | Bublik2002 | !show sources.list |
| 00:51.42 | dpkg | Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
| 00:51.48 | abrotman | you can msg the bot |
| 00:52.17 | abrotman | beefcube: you mean does Iceweasel 7.x correspond to upstream? they differ in that Debian backports some patches |
| 00:52.23 | babilen | beefcube: No, there shouldn't be. (not referring to the package versions, but to the versions of IW/FF) |
| 00:52.54 | Bublik2002 | http://paste.debian.net/149797/ |
| 00:53.23 | beefcube | okay, i was noticing the icedove squeeze was grossly out of date, like version 5 or something in contrast to version 9 of thunderbird |
| 00:53.34 | babilen | Bublik2002: That is *not* the output of "find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \;" |
| 00:53.42 | abrotman | beefcube: so that would correspond to whatever TB5 is |
| 00:53.53 | valeriusN | is mozilla seamonkey renamed too in Debian? -- Trying to search for seamonkey package did not succeed... |
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| 00:54.06 | Bublik2002 | no such file or directory |
| 00:54.13 | beefcube | abrotman: thanks |
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| 00:54.22 | babilen | valeriusN: iceape? |
| 00:54.40 | valeriusN | babilen, thanks! |
| 00:54.44 | streuner_ | valeriusN: /msg dpkg seamonkey, yes iceape |
| 00:55.07 | valeriusN | streuner_, 10x! |
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| 00:55.48 | Bublik2002 | babilen: is thunderbirdmail not in debian too? |
| 00:56.00 | babilen | Bublik2002: It is (called icedove) |
| 00:56.01 | streuner_ | valeriusN: the bots here in #debian are really helpful |
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| 00:56.22 | valeriusN | Bublik2002, icedove (it was already said) ;) |
| 00:56.46 | valeriusN | streuner_, yes, I noticed.. |
| 00:56.47 | Bublik2002 | sorry im slightly retarded ty got it |
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| 00:57.22 | babilen | Bublik2002: You probably have a typo somewhere in that command. But Google's package installs a file (forgot the name) in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ -- You should see its content when you run "cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list" |
| 00:57.23 | Bublik2002 | now if i could only get my dell alps touchpad to scroll i would be well on my way |
| 00:58.09 | Bublik2002 | babilen :## THIS FILE IS AUTOMATICALLY CONFIGURED ### |
| 00:58.09 | Bublik2002 | # You may comment out this entry, but any other modifications may be lost. |
| 00:58.09 | Bublik2002 | deb http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main |
| 00:58.18 | babilen | Bublik2002: Using gnome? If so you can configure that in "gnome-control-center → mouse" |
| 00:58.59 | babilen | Bublik2002: Yes, I didn't need to see it as I know what its content is. And please use a pastebin for such things! :) |
| 00:58.59 | Bublik2002 | babilen: not that simple it doesnt have it as an option.. i have to install some patch from what i read |
| 00:59.13 | Bublik2002 | kk sorry |
| 00:59.40 | babilen | Bublik2002: What is the output of "synclient -l" ? |
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| 01:00.04 | babilen | Bublik2002: Does scrolling with two fingers work? |
| 01:00.36 | Bublik2002 | couldnt find synaptics properties |
| 01:00.43 | Bublik2002 | no |
| 01:00.48 | Bublik2002 | the laptop is dell e6410 |
| 01:00.52 | streuner_ | valeriusN: /msg dpkg listkeys <searchstring> searches for the list of the factoid itself, /msg dpkg listvals <searchstring> searches for the contents in the whole db of dpkg |
| 01:01.24 | babilen | Bublik2002: Hmm, must be some alps idiocy then. |
| 01:01.47 | abrotman | or dell .. |
| 01:01.56 | Bublik2002 | yeah needs some patch to work but i couldnt find anyone who got it working |
| 01:01.58 | Bublik2002 | oh well |
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| 01:02.17 | Jasonn | hi |
| 01:02.25 | blackshirt | hi Jasonn |
| 01:02.27 | Jasonn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:03.59 | streuner_ | Jasonn: sorry, but are you trying to do at all? |
| 01:04.08 | babilen | Bublik2002: "xinput --list" should list it -- Take the identifier and run 'xinput --list-props "THE_IDENTIFIER"' and paste that. Example for my box: http://paste.debian.net/149798/ |
| 01:04.13 | streuner_ | Jasonn: what* |
| 01:04.25 | babilen | Bublik2002: Where did you read about that patch? |
| 01:04.58 | Bublik2002 | babilen: i had to update kernel to get it working in fedora |
| 01:05.12 | babilen | Bublik2002: Upgrade it to which version? |
| 01:05.15 | Jasonn | streuner_, disable password login, and enable key login |
| 01:05.33 | Bublik2002 | babilen: xinput command not found |
| 01:05.44 | simonlnu | !ssh keys |
| 01:05.45 | dpkg | methinks ssh keys is http://www.puddingonline.com/~dave/publications/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO/ |
| 01:05.45 | Bublik2002 | babilen: 3.1.5 or something like that |
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| 01:06.19 | streuner_ | Jasonn: try /msg dpkg ssh without password |
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| 01:06.28 | babilen | Bublik2002: Install it! (xinput) -- Are you sure that you need that version? And are you sure that you don't need a newer Xorg version as well? |
| 01:06.32 | ws2k3 | how should i use python for web development with apache2? |
| 01:06.35 | simonlnu | mine is probably dead |
| 01:06.45 | bezaban | Jasonn: Jasonn PasswordAuthentication no in /etc/ssh/sshd.conf |
| 01:06.54 | simonlnu | oh, no, still there. |
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| 01:07.02 | boudiccas | why doesnt this line from my crontab work please ......... 30 */3 * * * /home/boztu/cron/backup.sh ........ it says that /home/boztu/cron/boztu.crontab: line 11: 30: command not found |
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| 01:07.18 | blackshirt | ws2k3: you can use mod_python |
| 01:07.22 | blackshirt | for apache2 |
| 01:07.23 | bezaban | boudiccas: some error in boztu.crontab on line 11 |
| 01:07.30 | Jasonn | bezaban, thanks :) |
| 01:07.40 | boudiccas | bezaban; i know, thats why i'm asking here |
| 01:07.54 | babilen | ws2k3: /me recommends http://flask.pocoo.org/ or http://bottlepy.org/docs/dev/ (but you might like pyramid, django, web.py, ...) -- But this is really rather a question for #python |
| 01:07.55 | simonlnu | boudiccas: it's trying to execute the crontab. any reason you're not using crontab(1) ? |
| 01:08.26 | ws2k3 | i use nullmailer to make php be able to send mails. |
| 01:08.26 | simonlnu | ugh, nasty, mod_python |
| 01:08.33 | Bublik2002 | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/149799/ |
| 01:08.34 | blackshirt | ws2k3: bottle, cherrypy, webpy, django, turbogears available on debian repos |
| 01:08.41 | ws2k3 | but alot different mails then from php are trying to leave my servers |
| 01:08.42 | boudiccas | simonlnu; i find it easier to have a seperate crontab in cron folder which is more visible and able to be edited |
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| 01:08.54 | bezaban | boudiccas: can't know without seeing the script |
| 01:08.55 | ws2k3 | like e-mail from root to root about a failed ssh login.... how can i disable that kinda e0mails |
| 01:09.25 | simonlnu | ok.. |
| 01:09.42 | boudiccas | bezaban; the point is the cron command, why doesnt it accept that i want it to go off at 30 minutes past every third hour? |
| 01:09.48 | babilen | Bublik2002: Seems to be recognised as "PS/2 Generic Mouse" -- You could try to install a newer kernel/xorg from backports. |
| 01:09.55 | babilen | !tell Bublik2002 -about bdo |
| 01:09.57 | babilen | !tell Bublik2002 -about bdo kernel |
| 01:10.21 | Bublik2002 | thats fine no big deal |
| 01:10.28 | bezaban | boudiccas: from what I saw it seems it's an error in the script, not the cron entry? |
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| 01:10.49 | bezaban | but my terminal is messing with me, putty for linux isn't optimal |
| 01:10.50 | simonlnu | uses uwsgi ;p |
| 01:10.53 | boudiccas | bezaban; the script works, but the line in the crontab fails and i dont see why |
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| 01:11.00 | Bartzy | Hi.. |
| 01:11.05 | bezaban | unless it's combination with screen that is my problem. |
| 01:11.55 | Bartzy | Using gnome-terminal (or any terminal I think), when I SSH into a host and then that SSH connection dies (the laptop goes to sleep for example) - The terminal is stuck and I can't get out of the SSH stuck session - only kill the terminal. Any idea ? |
| 01:12.06 | ws2k3 | here is a mail that try's to leave my server |
| 01:12.07 | ws2k3 | http://pastebin.com/Um380tyC |
| 01:12.21 | ws2k3 | how can i prevent that kinda mails to try to use nullmailer |
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| 01:12.48 | bezaban | boudiccas: oh right, sorry |
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| 01:13.27 | streuner_ | Bartzy: How about to kill the pid? |
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| 01:14.04 | streuner_ | Bartzy: via "ps axu | grep -i ssh"? |
| 01:14.37 | babilen | "pgrep ssh" |
| 01:14.49 | boudiccas | why doesnt this line from my crontab work please ......... 30 */3 * * * /home/boztu/cron/backup.sh ........ it says that /home/boztu/cron/boztu.crontab: line 11: 30: command not found ... why doesnt cron accept the 30 minutes in the crontab? |
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| 01:15.58 | Bartzy | streuner_: but even Ctrl+C won't kill it :\ |
| 01:16.22 | streuner_ | Bartzy: via kill the pid, it works ;-) |
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| 01:16.33 | simonlnu | whatever is reading that file, is trying to execute it. |
| 01:16.56 | streuner_ | Bartzy: or its a <zombie> |
| 01:17.08 | simonlnu | that's why you're getting "30: command not found" |
| 01:17.19 | hikenboot1 | ok here at this link http://zfsonlinux.org/example-zpl.html is the source of ZFS not the ZFS-Fuse implementation...but the real thing one of the two links listed are for the source for ZFS the other is a Service Pack sp1-0.6.0-rc6 how do i patch one with the other when i do a ./configure in the zfs-0.6.0-rc6 directory with the --with-SP1=/path/to/sp1-0.6.0-rc6/ it says error sp1 source directory not found but i am sure i am pointin |
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| 01:17.43 | Bublik2002 | babilen: is flash called somethign else too? how do i install that? |
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| 01:18.09 | babilen | Bublik2002: install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 01:18.45 | Bublik2002 | merci |
| 01:18.52 | W3ird_N3rd | is it correct that a debian stable netinst CD in expert mode does not offer the choice between stable/testing/sid? |
| 01:18.54 | Bublik2002 | how do you know all these things off the top of your head? |
| 01:19.12 | boudiccas | simonlnu; k, but if i make it non-executable i get this error line .... /home/boztu/cron/boztu.crontab |
| 01:19.13 | boudiccas | bash: /home/boztu/cron/boztu.crontab: Permission denied |
| 01:19.29 | abrotman | W3ird_N3rd: is that really a problem ? |
| 01:19.38 | valeriusN | Does anyone know, are 4096 byte per sector hard disks somehow supported by Debian installer? I tried to install Debian Squeeze two days ago -- the installer does not show any partitions on the disk, and only suggests to create an empty MBR. So, I installed a minimal system with debootstrap and did apt-get install manually for needed packages. What is interesting, Debian Lenny previously installed on such disk, but realligned all partitions (they must b |
| 01:19.39 | valeriusN | e 4096-byte aligned for better performance) and GRUB installation failed (deleted my old MBR bootcode but preserved the partition table) |
| 01:19.53 | W3ird_N3rd | abrotman, well, the testing netinst disc didn't work for me.. I'll try burning it again |
| 01:20.09 | W3ird_N3rd | but if that doesn't work, I'd want to install testing using the stable cd |
| 01:20.19 | abrotman | W3ird_N3rd: so install stable, then upgrade to testing |
| 01:20.20 | simonlnu | cron only reads the file, it doesn't execute it. i dunno what you're doing, but it seems rather odd. if you want to see a crontab, for example, you do crontab -l. |
| 01:20.47 | W3ird_N3rd | abrotman, yeah, that's possible.. just takes more time and bandwidth, so would rather install testing right away |
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| 01:21.17 | boudiccas | simonlnu; the crontab line is calling a file called 'backup.sh' which operates okay from the cli, but is refusing to operate from the crontab |
| 01:21.33 | simonlnu | yeh, i see that. |
| 01:21.57 | Bublik2002 | babilen do you use google music? |
| 01:22.07 | abrotman | W3ird_N3rd: so just install a minimal system .. it's about 200MB of packages to upgrade |
| 01:22.21 | boudiccas | and i want it to be called at 30 minutes past every third hour, but its throwing a wobbly and refusing to accept the 30 minutes part |
| 01:22.23 | babilen | Bublik2002: No (also off-topic here) |
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| 01:22.51 | Bublik2002 | babilen: its giving me some weird browser error... ok i guess ill google it |
| 01:23.02 | W3ird_N3rd | yeah, okay, if the disc I'm burning now doesn't work I'll do that. Thanks abrotman. |
| 01:23.12 | Bublik2002 | babilen: im actually kinda liking gnome 2.3... not as pretty as 3.2 but usable |
| 01:23.30 | kW_ | Hello! How can I make apt-get to automatically accept a downgrade of certain packages, but to not accept any more "damage" done to the system (e.g. uninstalling a lot of packages, etc.)? |
| 01:23.39 | Bublik2002 | anyone know where i can get some nice debian wallpapers? |
| 01:23.44 | abrotman | kW_: you likely can't |
| 01:23.50 | abrotman | Bublik2002: art.debian.org IIRC |
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| 01:24.09 | kW_ | abrotman: that's unfortunate |
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| 01:24.33 | kW_ | with "rpm", I can specify "--oldpackage" |
| 01:24.50 | boudiccas | simonlnu; and i want it to be called at 30 minutes past every third hour, but its throwing a wobbly and refusing to accept the 30 minutes part |
| 01:24.51 | Bublik2002 | abrotman: iirc? |
| 01:24.52 | streuner_ | kW_: maybe you are able to give us an example *WHICH* package you want install.. |
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| 01:25.26 | LtL | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.43 | Bublik2002 | ooh got google music working in chrome :) |
| 01:25.46 | LtL | sorry |
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| 01:26.11 | kW_ | streuner_: I have "python2.6" (together with "libpython2.6" as well as "python2.6-minimal") from testing, but I want to have "python2.6" from stable. However, if something depends on the newer python packages (apart from these 3), the downgrade should not happen automatically (because it is likely something breaks). |
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| 01:28.11 | Bublik2002 | http://marcelomendes.eti.br/img/debian-wallpaper-safe.png |
| 01:28.13 | Bublik2002 | not bad |
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| 01:29.03 | streuner_ | kW_: well, sorry, but so Debian doesnt work... |
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| 01:29.36 | Bublik2002 | guys chrome is not showing up in my gnome menu.. do i need to restart it? |
| 01:29.55 | kW_ | streuner_: I do not fully understand... how does Debian work (instead)? |
| 01:30.16 | streuner_ | kW_: well, /msg dpkg bobbitt, IMO |
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| 01:31.00 | streuner_ | kW_: you cannot install *EVERY* package(s) as deb and hope it works then |
| 01:31.04 | Bublik2002 | wow debian has a software center? thats sweet |
| 01:31.16 | hikenboot1 | oh my god figure it out it wasnt sp1 it was sp1 ---as in LLLLL ...thanks anyways Now I can succesffully get XFS working natively on debian...hip hip harray! |
| 01:31.53 | kW_ | streuner_: well, somehow the testing-variant of "python2.6" was sucked in the first place although "stable" has the highest preference in /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 01:36.15 | streuner_ | kW_: anyway, there are reasons why <bpo> and <ssb> exists |
| 01:37.30 | streuner_ | kW_: <bobbitt> is a stronger form to explain the whole reason why, but pinning is a genius idea, but in most cases it just doesnt work... |
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| 01:38.02 | Bublik2002 | whats the channel for testing? |
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| 01:38.23 | Jimmy_Kash | Hey, something just used all my ram suddenly and forced me to reboot the server. WHere is the bes tplace to find what cuased this? |
| 01:38.42 | abrotman | Bublik2002: this channel is fine |
| 01:39.09 | Bublik2002 | abrotman: any clue when gnome 3.2 is going to hit? |
| 01:39.18 | abrotman | !gnome3 |
| 01:39.19 | dpkg | GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian testing and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.2-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>, <gnome-shell>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2011/04/msg00111.html |
| 01:39.22 | kW_ | streuner_: why doesn't pinning work? |
| 01:39.23 | abrotman | is it in unstable yet? |
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| 01:39.53 | streuner_ | kW_: packages are made for different branches in Debian... |
| 01:40.01 | abrotman | Bublik2002: looks like most of it already has |
| 01:40.21 | Bublik2002 | abrotman: define most.... is it going to be stable to use or should i wait longer? |
| 01:40.23 | streuner_ | kW_: exactly for these branches... |
| 01:40.23 | abrotman | judd: versions gnome-shell |
| 01:40.25 | judd | Package: gnome-shell on i386 -- wheezy: 3.0.2-8+b1; sid: 3.2.1-8 |
| 01:40.30 | abrotman | bleh .. lies |
| 01:40.46 | abrotman | Bublik2002: well, i'm using it right now |
| 01:40.54 | abrotman | judd: versions gnome-session |
| 01:40.55 | judd | Package: gnome-session on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.3-2; squeeze: 2.30.2-3; sid: 3.2.1-1; wheezy: 3.2.1-1 |
| 01:41.04 | abrotman | Bublik2002: seems just fine to me |
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| 01:41.20 | abrotman | !tell Bublik2002 about why is gnome-shell not in testing |
| 01:41.35 | abrotman | looks at the bot ... |
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| 01:41.47 | bezaban | !tell bezaban about why is gnome-shell not in testing |
| 01:41.54 | abrotman | nope .. bot is dead |
| 01:41.55 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 01:42.00 | Bublik2002 | abrotman: ok im new to debian.. i finally got squeeze running pretty good.. how do i get gnome 3.2 and if i dont like the way it runs how do i get back to 2.3? |
| 01:42.05 | abrotman | well .. let me get that manually for you :) |
| 01:42.18 | abrotman | http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=gnome-shell |
| 01:42.25 | abrotman | Bublik2002: you don't |
| 01:42.37 | Bublik2002 | abrotman: i dont what? |
| 01:42.42 | abrotman | Bublik2002: gnome3 is not in squeeze, and wheezy doesn't have gnome2 |
| 01:42.48 | nvz | Bublik2002: you cannot just do things like that, if you wanna test learn to setup a virtual machine like VirtualBox or use a chroot |
| 01:43.02 | Bublik2002 | oh so theres no way back? |
| 01:43.11 | abrotman | not anyhting you want to do |
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| 01:43.21 | abrotman | it's a long/painful process .. |
| 01:43.30 | Bublik2002 | gotcha |
| 01:43.41 | Bublik2002 | abrotman: so are you running wheezy or unstable? |
| 01:43.48 | bezaban | my system was in a pickle after dist-upgrade from squeeze to wheezy today |
| 01:43.49 | nvz | downgrade? heh thats an understatement.. however long and painful you think it is, its worse than that |
| 01:44.08 | abrotman | Bublik2002: this machine is wheezy |
| 01:44.09 | bezaban | aptitude stepped up though |
| 01:44.34 | Bublik2002 | abrotman: is it any less stable for you than squeeze and what kernel is it running? |
| 01:44.41 | abrotman | Bublik2002: that said, i've been using Debian a long time, however .. I need this machine to work, so I don't screw around with it too much |
| 01:44.59 | abrotman | Bublik2002: of course it's less stable .. it's running 3.x, no clue exactly |
| 01:45.02 | bezaban | just started trying gnome 3-2 today |
| 01:45.13 | abrotman | Bublik2002: is there something on your machine not working with the kernel you have now ? |
| 01:45.22 | Bublik2002 | bezaban: i loved it in every distro so far... how has it been for you |
| 01:45.44 | Bublik2002 | abrotman: yes i dont know how to get my alps touchpad on the dell e6410 to scroll |
| 01:46.00 | Bublik2002 | abrotman: it worked fine in fedora after a kernel upgrade and was working fine in mint 12 |
| 01:46.14 | bezaban | Bublik2002: I've needed to adjust some keybindings and there are certain things that need some work to re-adjust, but otherwise it's looking good :) |
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| 01:46.52 | bezaban | very little tweaking available within the GUI |
| 01:47.02 | Bublik2002 | bezban: have you checked out extensions.gnome.org... its pretty insane |
| 01:47.02 | abrotman | Bublik2002: i doubt that upgrading your system will fix that |
| 01:47.09 | Jimmy_Kash | Hey, something just used all my ram suddenly and forced me to reboot. Now that the server is back, how do I check what cuased this? |
| 01:47.16 | bezaban | Bublik2002: thanks for the tip |
| 01:47.18 | abrotman | Bublik2002: did you try gsynaptics ? |
| 01:47.24 | Bublik2002 | abrotman: when is wheezy going to become "stable" |
| 01:47.36 | abrotman | Bublik2002: When It's Ready, Sooner If You Help |
| 01:47.40 | abrotman | !wwwr |
| 01:47.42 | dpkg | I don't know when Wheezy will release, but I can say that it will be sooner if you help. Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses. The freeze that will lead to the release of Wheezy is currently planned for June 2012. See http://lists.debian.org/20110628183405.GR836@feta.halon.org.uk . |
| 01:47.44 | boudiccas | Bublik2002; how long is a piece of string? |
| 01:47.47 | Bublik2002 | lol |
| 01:48.00 | Bublik2002 | im a newb/asshat |
| 01:48.04 | Bublik2002 | no shot of me helping |
| 01:48.09 | abrotman | Bublik2002: there is no set release date .. they wanto to try to freeze in about six months .. that may or may not happen |
| 01:48.18 | bezaban | I guess you could compile gnome3.x locally and try to run it |
| 01:48.24 | bezaban | but no guarantees that it wil |
| 01:48.26 | Bublik2002 | ok... just trying to figure out how debian works |
| 01:48.33 | abrotman | bezaban: did oyu miss the part where he said he's a newb? seriously ... |
| 01:48.35 | Bublik2002 | i haven't used linux in a long long long time |
| 01:48.41 | bezaban | abrotman: yes.. I did :) |
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| 01:48.59 | bezaban | missed it that is :> |
| 01:49.07 | Bublik2002 | abrotman: gsynaptics? |
| 01:49.18 | abrotman | Bublik2002: aptitude show gsynaptics |
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| 01:49.50 | Bublik2002 | abrotman: state not installed |
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| 01:51.03 | abrotman | Bublik2002: and what? install it |
| 01:51.25 | Bublik2002 | installing |
| 01:52.24 | abrotman | we wouldn't have this problem if every laptop had a trackpoint like it should :) |
| 01:52.44 | Bublik2002 | ok i installed it |
| 01:52.47 | Bublik2002 | what next? |
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| 01:53.43 | abrotman | if you installed an app in windows .. what would you do next? |
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| 01:54.11 | Bublik2002 | run it .. but where did it install to |
| 01:54.31 | ceh421 | abrotman: wonder why the hell files were corrupt durring installation |
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| 01:57.01 | Bublik2002 | abrotman: please help |
| 01:57.27 | abrotman | it didn't add any menu entries? |
| 01:58.14 | Bublik2002 | menu entries? |
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| 01:58.19 | Bublik2002 | you mean in gnome? |
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| 01:58.33 | abrotman | bounces simonlnu's head off the desk |
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| 01:58.47 | streuner_ | lol |
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| 01:59.11 | streuner_ | Bublik2002: menues in general, not matter what you are using GNOME, KDE or whatever WM |
| 01:59.20 | Bublik2002 | ok |
| 01:59.27 | Bublik2002 | where do i find gsynaptics? |
| 01:59.29 | streuner_ | there should be an entry |
| 02:00.01 | streuner_ | or its just a bug or whatever, if it doenst add the entry in the menu |
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| 02:00.12 | Bublik2002 | do i need to restart gnome? |
| 02:00.17 | streuner_ | no |
| 02:00.48 | streuner_ | (menuentries should add/remove in theory auto...) |
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| 02:01.44 | streuner_ | (without restarting a DE/WM) |
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| 02:02.51 | Bublik2002 | when i go to software center it says its installed |
| 02:02.52 | Bublik2002 | weird |
| 02:03.35 | Bublik2002 | can i start it in terminal somehow? |
| 02:03.56 | streuner_ | sure, dpkg -L <package> |
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| 02:05.12 | Bublik2002 | oh found it |
| 02:05.20 | Bublik2002 | gpointing devices |
| 02:05.31 | Bublik2002 | the problem is it recognizes my alps touchpad as a ps2 mouse |
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| 02:06.54 | streuner_ | well, in most cases touchpad problems causes headache then, IME |
| 02:06.57 | abrotman | why is that a problem? as long as it lets you configure the scroll pad, who cares/ |
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| 02:08.26 | Bublik2002 | abrotman: it doesnt let me configure the scroll pad |
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| 02:09.22 | W3ird_N3rd | abrotman, " You can upgrade from "stable" to "testing" by setting the distribution |
| 02:09.22 | W3ird_N3rd | suite name string in the "/etc/apt/sources.list" " |
| 02:09.32 | W3ird_N3rd | where is the distribution suite name string? |
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| 02:10.18 | streuner_ | dpkg, stable->testing |
| 02:10.19 | dpkg | First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports, and change squeeze to wheezy. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while. |
| 02:10.36 | abrotman | ugh |
| 02:10.44 | abrotman | !tell W3ird_N3rd about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 02:10.52 | abrotman | W3ird_N3rd: use the 'wheezy', not 'testing' |
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| 02:11.13 | W3ird_N3rd | had just guessed that, so I guessed right :) thanks abrotman |
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| 02:24.36 | pseubodot | hypothetically, what's the issue if one uses 'stable, testing, unstable' rather than the named dist? |
| 02:25.02 | bezaban | pseubodot: all are named |
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| 02:25.21 | pseubodot | bezaban: sure, but 'testing' is *always* testing. |
| 02:25.23 | bezaban | pseubodot: but with testing / unstable theoretically anything can break, anytime |
| 02:25.34 | pseubodot | bezaban: yes, I've noticed. :) |
| 02:25.59 | bezaban | testing is wheezy |
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| 02:26.08 | bezaban | it's just development states |
| 02:26.10 | cthuluh | pseubodot: are you kidding me? |
| 02:26.18 | abrotman | pseubodot: testing is always testing, wheezy changes .. |
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| 02:26.52 | abrotman | pseubodot: so if you tracking testing, you'll get that ugly part where it re-opens after release, if you track wheezy, your system should become 'stable' one day |
| 02:27.09 | abrotman | pseubodot: and you can't blame that one on pete |
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| 02:27.23 | pseubodot | abrotman: yes, I've had 'interesting' experiences when dist-upgrading, but they're tolerable. |
| 02:27.45 | pseubodot | abrotman: what? can't blame pete? nonsense! :) |
| 02:28.08 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:28.23 | jardiamj | hahahahaha |
| 02:28.32 | cthuluh | hohoho |
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| 02:30.22 | dvs | huh? |
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| 02:41.16 | bezaban | has anyone tried linux mint debian edition? |
| 02:41.28 | bezaban | is it more debianesque or ubuntuesque? |
| 02:41.37 | bezaban | lacking better words |
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| 02:54.08 | Bublik2002 | im trying to remove open office from the software center... and tried synaptics.. it says removed but still shows up and opens in the gnome menu.. what gives? |
| 02:56.59 | abrotman | you removed the metapackage .. why wouldn't you want OO ? |
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| 02:57.25 | Bublik2002 | abortman: i prefer libre |
| 02:58.08 | Bublik2002 | how do i remove oo and install libre instead? |
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| 02:59.18 | thepro4ever | what image viewer do i use to view a jpg image debian or import a whole folder of jpg photos? |
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| 03:02.27 | thepro4ever | figured it out |
| 03:02.28 | thepro4ever | nvm |
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| 03:18.12 | sdubois | will GNOME 3 be the version of GNOME shipped with the next stable release of debian? |
| 03:18.46 | dvs | sdubois: probably |
| 03:19.11 | jardiamj | sdubois, I'm running wheezy, which will be the next release and Gnome 3 is the version that comes with it. |
| 03:19.31 | sdubois | ok, good to know |
| 03:19.45 | dvs | really???? |
| 03:20.05 | dax | dvs: Wheezy's somewhere between GNOME 3.0 and GNOME 3.2 right now, yes. |
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| 03:20.43 | dvs | there's a 3.2 now? |
| 03:22.00 | dax | since September, yes |
| 03:22.18 | sdubois | dvs: looks like i need to get used to something other than gnome |
| 03:22.22 | sdubois | i can't stand gnome 3 |
| 03:22.46 | jardiamj | dvs, yep I just checked it's Gnome 3.2.1 |
| 03:23.02 | dvs | uses KDE |
| 03:23.40 | jardiamj | sdubois, why can't you stand gnome 3? |
| 03:24.22 | sdubois | it just doesn't work for me |
| 03:24.40 | sdubois | lack of a desktop, no minimize/maximize |
| 03:24.57 | dax | dvs: same |
| 03:25.09 | sdubois | clicking on an icon to launch an application that happens to be running doesn't start a new process, but just brings up the running process |
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| 03:26.07 | jardiamj | yeah, I have been having the same issues.. |
| 03:26.22 | jardiamj | alt+f2 doesn't work |
| 03:26.42 | sdubois | it really doesn't seem like it's ready |
| 03:27.04 | jardiamj | and if for example I try to open a link that somebody posts here, it just doesn't open it |
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| 03:31.22 | abrotman | so fix your default browser, not that hard |
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| 03:34.17 | jardiamj | abrotman, I have been using gnome 3 just for a couple of days... I haven't even investigated the problem. |
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| 03:41.50 | acu | I installed Debian Wheezy AMD64 kernel3.1.0-1-amd64 in two laptops with ATI VGA driver - I used both non-free fglrx and the download from AMD ATI and download ati-driver-installer-11-12-x86.x86_64 the driver and compile it -X.Org X Server 1.11.2.901 (1.11.3 RC 1)it work fine - except that the Dialog Boxes are Skewed /Tilted /folded - while background or application in itself shows OK, is just the dalogs windows are screwed (someti |
| 03:41.50 | acu | mes the pull down menus too) - can anyone give me a hint what to do ? |
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| 03:46.09 | spal | Is there any command to the uncompressed size of all the files installed when I installed the texlive package? |
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| 03:46.52 | spal | I mean, I installed texlive and as a result some dependencies of texlive were installed. I want to know the cumulative size of this package along with that of its dependencies that were installed. |
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| 03:49.04 | abrotman | !sort by size |
| 03:49.04 | dpkg | i guess sort by size is aptitude search ~i -O installsize -F"%p %I", or see <sort by size sarge> |
| 03:49.10 | abrotman | perhaps massage that to get what you need |
| 03:51.34 | teratoma | i think me and Unity need to break up |
| 03:53.08 | abrotman | you're telling us why? |
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| 03:53.58 | MRomney2012 | Mitt Romney will change the course of American economic policy and get America back to work! It is at once a deeply conservative return to policies that have served our nation well and a highly ambitious departure from the policies of our current leadership. In short, it is a plan to get America back to work. Vote Mitt Romney 2012! http://www.mittromney.com |
| 03:54.14 | dvs | heh |
| 03:55.42 | abrotman | wonders what a conservative return is ... |
| 03:56.18 | sklav | Im surprised a candidate spammed freenode |
| 03:56.45 | abrotman | i doubt that candidate is responsible |
| 03:56.52 | sklav | not he himself |
| 03:56.58 | nevyn | suspects a social media "package" |
| 03:57.19 | sklav | but it has been bought for by the candidate |
| 03:57.34 | jardiamj | social media "package"? |
| 03:57.41 | abrotman | sklav: and I doubt his campaign paid for that message |
| 03:57.42 | nevyn | as in promotional package. |
| 03:57.47 | nevyn | right. |
| 03:57.59 | jardiamj | and spamming freenode is included in the package... lol |
| 03:58.02 | nevyn | it's far more likely to be some well meaning idiot. |
| 03:58.31 | sklav | abrotman, these guys are on facebook and etc... you doubt they would come on freenode etc. |
| 03:58.38 | abrotman | meant it's likely another candidate attempting to make this candidate look bad |
| 03:58.39 | nevyn | wishes he didn't have to care about us politics. which is funny as he's not american |
| 03:58.49 | abrotman | nevyn: we'll invade your country too! |
| 03:58.54 | dax | nevyn: All things considered, it's rather likely to be a troll. Commenting on it is thus feeding said troll :) |
| 03:59.04 | nevyn | dax: this is true. |
| 03:59.58 | abrotman | pushes the whole thing to #debian-offtopic |
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| 04:00.17 | jardiamj | I haven't seen so many trolls on freenode, which is surprising for me.. |
| 04:00.26 | acu | the only problem, it was an empty promise, written for 7 year olds, I guess most of Ron Paul people are populating freeenode :) |
| 04:00.31 | abrotman | jardiamj: try #freenode .. watch for 10 minutes .. sit in awe |
| 04:00.32 | jardiamj | I see them commenting everywhere on the net.. |
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| 04:01.12 | jardiamj | abrotman, I'll try that just for amusement.. |
| 04:01.43 | acu | hey guys - can anyone tell me how many entry fglrx should have in an lsmod ? |
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| 04:01.59 | acu | of course someone with ATI driver and installed with fglrx |
| 04:02.03 | abrotman | acu: in which column ? |
| 04:02.35 | nvz | doesn't see why it'd need more than 1 or what the real issue is here |
| 04:02.38 | acu | abrotman: I do not know, type lsmod |grep fglrx |
| 04:02.52 | abrotman | acu: still matters left/right |
| 04:04.00 | acu | I see - here it is - -fglrx 3060664 65 ----- and second entry ---button 12937 1 fglrx |
| 04:04.14 | abrotman | acu: that seems fine |
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| 04:05.06 | acu | I see, I do not know why the Menus got skewed scrambled and so the dialog boxes, as I said this is in Wheezy with ATI |
| 04:05.10 | Bublik2002 | how come when my laptop comes wakes up from suspend i have to log into my wireless network... shouldnt it auto start every time? |
| 04:07.23 | nvz | recos |
| 04:07.36 | acu | I wonder whether I have both free and fglrx in one |
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| 04:09.04 | acu | brb - hopefully |
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| 04:10.45 | MooseRFun | is debian unstable and testing use unity by default? |
| 04:11.48 | jardiamj | MooseRFun: it uses gnome-shell |
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| 04:14.53 | somiaj | Bublik2002: You are using network-manager? Can't you tell it to autoconnect to paticular networks? |
| 04:14.55 | sklav | goodnight all |
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| 04:15.45 | somiaj | Bublik2002: what if you suspend at one network and then resume in a different location, it needs to reauthenticate the connenction, you need to save/configure networks to be brough up automatically if you don't want to do it manually each time. |
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| 04:16.36 | MooseRFun | jardiamj: thats part of gnome 3 right? |
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| 04:20.43 | jardiamj | MooseRFun: yes I'm on wheezy and it's default DE is Gnome 3.2.1 |
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| 04:28.08 | hikenboot1 | ok heres a question i have linux-2.6_2.6.32.orig.tar.gz and linux-2.6_2.6.32-6.diff.gz how do I apply the diff file to the src file? |
| 04:28.26 | unreal-dude | anybody here run new nvidia graphics cards? |
| 04:29.09 | MooseRFun | unreal-dude: define "new" :D |
| 04:29.11 | unreal-dude | specifically, the GTX 580 |
| 04:29.52 | lstarnes | hikenboot1: untar the first, gunzip the second, cd into the directory from the first, then patch -p1 < ../linux-*.diff |
| 04:30.31 | MooseRFun | unreal-dude: I run a modest (or wimpy) GT 430 |
| 04:30.32 | hikenboot1 | thanks lstarnes never done that before |
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| 04:31.00 | unreal-dude | how does that work for you? have you had any issues with driver support? |
| 04:31.47 | MooseRFun | unreal-dude: the freeware, opensource driver included with X.org caused issues with the pc waking up after sleeping, but the commercial drivers released from nvidia work great |
| 04:32.18 | unreal-dude | basically, im trying to figure out before i try it, whether i can get dual GTX 580s to behave under debian |
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| 04:32.50 | MooseRFun | unreal-dude: best look go with the commercial/propiertary (how ever thats spelled) drivers |
| 04:32.54 | unreal-dude | im nearing a reinstall of win7 and i may go dual boot, just need to do some research and then try it :) |
| 04:32.54 | MooseRFun | best luck rather |
| 04:33.00 | unreal-dude | ok |
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| 04:33.49 | MooseRFun | unreal-dude: you could try the opensource one included with X.org, but its not really meant for linux games |
| 04:34.15 | MooseRFun | unreal-dude: by default debian will provide the opensource driver included with x.org |
| 04:34.24 | unreal-dude | ok |
| 04:34.37 | unreal-dude | have you tried more than 1 monitor? |
| 04:34.48 | aussa | hi, I can't find the package okular-extra-backends... I'm using wheezy |
| 04:35.04 | MooseRFun | no sir, but the commerical drivers have always had decent support in linux |
| 04:35.22 | MooseRFun | well not always, maybe at first they sucked |
| 04:35.55 | unreal-dude | ok, see thats the last i knew of the commercial drivers, that they sucked :P |
| 04:36.02 | MooseRFun | I have ran linux with half a dozen nvidia cards and have had good, stable results |
| 04:36.14 | unreal-dude | :) |
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| 04:45.00 | hikenboot1 | I am getting an error during ./configure followed by a make I get the error Missing sp1 symbols ensure that you have built the sp1 Module.symvers or /module/Module.symvers anyone know how to fix? |
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| 04:50.31 | Rusty1 | hikenboot1: google: symvers debian . whilst you wait for somebody to answer |
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| 04:55.02 | acu | there is a bug in ATI and GNOME3.2 http://ati.cchtml.com/show_bug.cgi?id=99 - Is it solved ? |
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| 04:58.51 | simonlnu | we're not the bug tracker here. go to the bts, as you know of what you should be asking. |
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| 05:09.19 | derric | Anybody know of a ridgid body phyics simulator package? |
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| 05:11.09 | nsadmin | phycs? fix? |
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| 05:11.49 | hikenboot1 | this looks promising but i cant figure out what it means to do to fix it http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/24704/how-to-generate-module-symvers my problem is I am getting an error during ./configure followed by a make I get the error Missing sp1 symbols ensure that you have built the sp1 Module.symvers or /module/Module.symvers anyone know how to fix? |
| 05:12.03 | nsadmin | berkeley had something called ptolemy, but I have no idea about it |
| 05:12.44 | nsadmin | hikenboot1 so you're building something |
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| 05:14.50 | hikenboot1 | nsadmin: yes I am building the XFS file system against kernel 2.6.32-6-pve for kvm purposes and proxmox |
| 05:15.31 | nsadmin | isn't xfs already available? |
| 05:15.43 | hikenboot1 | I do have a system.map-2.6.32-6-pve |
| 05:15.53 | hikenboot1 | no thats xfs-fuse |
| 05:16.07 | hikenboot1 | differnet animal I am trying to build the real one |
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| 05:16.32 | hikenboot1 | http://zfsonlinux.org/example-zpl.html |
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| 05:17.56 | nsadmin | one, I think there is an #xfs here... two, not sure I understand the difference |
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| 05:24.09 | karlpinc | derric: There was a cool game I saw once... |
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| 05:26.52 | nsadmin | coincidentally, I've seen a cool game... |
| 05:27.49 | hikenboot1 | ok i am on to something not sure what but in linux-headers there is a modle.symvers that is not in my full source tree..is there a way to get it from linux-headers to the source tree? |
| 05:28.07 | karlpinc | nsadmin: This one did physics. You drew stuff, balls and pivet points and levers and such and then turned on gravity and your drawing did stuff. |
| 05:28.39 | hikenboot1 | s/modle.symvers/module.symvers |
| 05:28.40 | karlpinc | nsadmin: I think I submitted a request for packaging. |
| 05:29.15 | nsadmin | ohh, yeah, that would be cool... |
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| 05:35.16 | hikenboot1 | I think maybe just maybe i am on to something |
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| 06:10.03 | dadrian | Hello, i'm getting this error Dec 21 07:09:01 server kernel: [1062312.253081] php5[4943]: segfault at 7f897321b0e0 ip 00007f897321b0e0 sp 00007fff25db7dd8 error 14 in libmcrypt.so.4.4.8[7f8973027000+1ff000] a lot and can't find a lot of info about it, there are no other segmentation faults on the system so there is no memory problem. |
| 06:11.36 | simonlnu | 'php mcrypt segfault' into google maybe. squeeze? |
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| 06:15.31 | bmomjian | With udhcpd, can you use a host name in a static_lease line, rather than only an IP address? If not, what are others using for dhcp? |
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| 06:43.45 | Deesl | hello, need some help with session cookies. Enabling secure, httponly and domain on the cookie-config causes loss of session. Also, the "expires" header says 1 Jan. 1970. What could I be doing wrong? |
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| 06:46.16 | dadrian | simonlnu: all the bug reports i see are from 2001 nothing about the current version of php/mcrypt |
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| 06:53.52 | Vasistha | Deesl: what application are you using? |
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| 06:55.46 | Deesl | Vasistha: I am sorry, but I did not get your question |
| 06:56.19 | Vasistha | Deesl: you asked a question... I have no idea what environment you're in, what applications you're using where you want to make these settings |
| 06:56.41 | Vasistha | Deesl: it's something to do with the web, web broswer? programming php? I dunno |
| 06:56.53 | Deesl | Vasistha: this is about JBOSS |
| 06:57.11 | Deesl | Vasistha: I mean I am using Apache mod_jk + mod_expire + JBOSS AS 6 |
| 06:57.49 | Vasistha | Deesl: well... somehow I get the feeling #debian is not the best place to ask, perhaps there is a channel for jboss |
| 06:58.01 | Vasistha | Deesl: ...in fact there is: #jboss |
| 06:58.27 | Deesl | Vasistha: no one talks in #jboss but I am sorry to be off topic |
| 06:59.15 | Vasistha | Deesl: well... sometimes the mailing lists are a better place to ask if noone's talking in irc. Also this time of day, US is sleeping and Europe is just waking up, so not many people are on irc |
| 06:59.53 | nevyn | yeah you're left with the stinking aussies |
| 06:59.54 | Deesl | oh well well |
| 07:00.01 | Deesl | sorry for the noise :( |
| 07:00.05 | nevyn | <== Australian |
| 07:00.16 | Deesl | nevyn: are you stinking? |
| 07:00.42 | nevyn | dadrian: course. how else do you keep the blowies away. |
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| 07:01.39 | nevyn | Deesl: ^^ |
| 07:01.43 | nevyn | anyway... |
| 07:01.52 | Deesl | :) |
| 07:02.27 | Vasistha | hmm, sometimes I wonder why there aren't more Aussies about. I don't really have any idea what the population is. Also Asia ought to be online. |
| 07:02.48 | nevyn | Vasistha: google employed them all |
| 07:03.20 | Vasistha | nevyn: google doesn't like them to be on irc at work huh? :) |
| 07:03.24 | nevyn | dadrian: it looks like a bug. you need a debug build of libmcrypt. |
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| 07:17.03 | dadrian | nevyn: doesn't sound good |
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| 07:18.03 | dadrian | nevyn: i would try with a newer/older pkg that maybe doesn't have the bug |
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| 07:23.16 | nevyn | dadrian: that's another aproach |
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| 07:24.37 | dadrian | nevyn: solved it |
| 07:25.57 | dadrian | nevyn: roundcube was installed from backports, it didnt touch libmcrypt4, but it seems it did upgrade php5-intl, that for some reason causes an error that does the segfault in mcrypt |
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| 07:43.43 | mah454 | How can create md5 file for all file's and directory's ? |
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| 07:45.52 | rozie | mah454: you can use md5sum * for all files in a directory. if it's not enough, you probably will need to use find |
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| 07:47.14 | nsadmin | which would be a good thing... learn find. it's good for you. |
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| 07:49.43 | rozie | OTOH it would be probably better to use dedicated tool for checking files/system integrity |
| 07:50.38 | rozie | kind of rootkit detection tool such as tripwire or bsign |
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| 07:51.50 | ethanol | nvidia or ati, which has better support? |
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| 07:52.48 | nsadmin | rozie: howbout both |
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| 07:58.42 | rubin110 | Looking for help on how to go about debugging why my usb 3 port isn't working. |
| 07:58.48 | rubin110 | The thing gives out power. |
| 07:59.04 | rubin110 | lsusb shows... |
| 07:59.05 | rubin110 | Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub |
| 07:59.17 | rubin110 | But nothing comes up under dmesg when I attach a device to that port. |
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| 08:01.59 | nsadmin | rubin110 sometimes that means a driver needed for the device didn't load on attach |
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| 08:02.46 | mah454 | please view this : http://pastebin.com/5tjDdswj |
| 08:02.53 | rubin110 | nsadmin: It loads up and dumps log into dmesg just fine through a normal USB2 port. |
| 08:02.54 | mah454 | i have problem with md5sum command ! |
| 08:06.08 | nsadmin | ok, that could rule out driver issue |
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| 08:06.47 | nsadmin | maybe the device isn't designed for usb3? |
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| 08:07.26 | rubin110 | nsadmin: I thought USB 3 was backwards compatable? :P |
| 08:08.03 | nsadmin | usb3 represents what, a (much) higher speed? |
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| 08:08.37 | rubin110 | nsadmin: It offers higher speeds, the ports are phyiscally different, but backwards compatable, as is the new version of the protocal. |
| 08:10.17 | nsadmin | does any device work in that port? |
| 08:10.58 | rubin110 | nsadmin: No, I haven't been able to get the kernel to dump anything out in dmesg regarding any device getting plugged into that port. |
| 08:11.01 | rubin110 | USB2 or 3. |
| 08:13.08 | nsadmin | when you say the ports are physically different but backwards compatible, do you mean that old devices can plug into the new ports? |
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| 08:15.27 | nixmaniack | where can I find wheezy freeze date? (unable to get it in search engine! ) |
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| 08:17.09 | nsadmin | nixmaniack, doesn't work like that |
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| 08:17.39 | nixmaniack | nsadmin, ?? |
| 08:17.51 | nsadmin | wheezy will freeze when devs want to freeze it |
| 08:18.00 | nsadmin | so... doesn't work that way |
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| 08:19.55 | rubin110 | nsadmin: Have you seen or used USB3? |
| 08:19.57 | nixmaniack | nsadmin, fine! :) |
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| 08:20.19 | rubin110 | nsadmin: /w 3 |
| 08:20.21 | rubin110 | erm |
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| 08:21.23 | nsadmin | nixmaniack, so when you say you can't find a freeze date... you're absolutely right |
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| 08:22.38 | nixmaniack | nsadmin, i saw on some unofficial mailing list as June 2012, so i was curious where can i find official date |
| 08:23.59 | simonlnu | if anything, it'll be announced on debian-devel-announce (ists.debian.org), which is official |
| 08:24.09 | simonlnu | erm, lists even |
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| 08:24.45 | nixmaniack | nsadmin, http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2011/06/msg00003.html <-- official I think so. June 2012 |
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| 08:24.58 | nsadmin | well that's probably a guess |
| 08:26.14 | nsadmin | and simon has your way of being notified |
| 08:26.27 | nsadmin | go to http://lists.debian.org |
| 08:26.44 | nsadmin | and see about subscribing to debian-devel-announce |
| 08:26.57 | nixmaniack | nsadmin, yep, sure |
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| 08:28.26 | simonlnu | However, we had to make a decision, and have picked on June |
| 08:28.28 | simonlnu | 2012 as the current proposed freeze date for the next release. |
| 08:28.37 | simonlnu | </blockquote> |
| 08:29.11 | simonlnu | *proposed*. i.e., it's going to be discussed in the relevant venue(s) |
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| 08:29.49 | nsadmin | why is it being planned? has it happened that way before? |
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| 08:31.48 | simonlnu | well, like neil said, they're going to try it out for this upcoming rel. |
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| 08:32.18 | simonlnu | no, before it was dependent on number of release critical (RC) bugs |
| 08:32.44 | simonlnu | rc bugs is what some people call blocking/blocker bugs |
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| 08:34.00 | simonlnu | was brought up some time ago, before squeeze went stable, and discussed. so it's not a surprise to anyone, unless they're *really* out of the loop, so to speak. |
| 08:34.07 | nsadmin | it's not unreasonable... the whole reason they came up with the stable/testing/sid thing is to be able to do a timed release or at least timed freeze |
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| 08:34.37 | simonlnu | well, not really. it was to ease the transition between stable and sid |
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| 08:35.24 | simonlnu | why testing came about i mean |
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| 08:36.31 | simonlnu | no, it's not unreasonable - but it should not be like ubuntu *AT ALL*. there should be a balanced amount of time between them, if it's to become de jure. |
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| 08:36.59 | simonlnu | but, i think that's already in mind |
| 08:37.51 | simonlnu | 6 months is too short. doesn't give time for the dds to catch up to things. i don't care what distro it is, i think it's too short. |
| 08:38.16 | nsadmin | I remember someone mentioning that it would be possible |
| 08:38.36 | simonlnu | technically it is. |
| 08:38.54 | Trewas | if the freeze is not planned/announced beforehand, nobody can prepare for it and there will be hundreds of DDs whining that their packages did not get updated, and then the freeze will go on forever because they have to make all kinds of exceptions |
| 08:39.16 | nsadmin | the major thing that happened that caused the change, was that when what was "unstable" froze (no testing yet), no one could upload anything, and they complained |
| 08:39.23 | Trewas | now with the freeze announced one year earlier everybody should be prepared and the freeze is hopefully a short one |
| 08:39.28 | simonlnu | exactly. which is why the rel. team did that ^^^ ^_^ |
| 08:39.53 | simonlnu | yes |
| 08:39.58 | simonlnu | nsadmin: yes |
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| 08:41.24 | simonlnu | dec/2011 to june/2012 is plenty of time i think. squeeze is how old now, a year, 1.5 year? |
| 08:41.28 | nsadmin | I guess that makes release cycles longer by 6 months |
| 08:41.43 | simonlnu | 2 years is plenty |
| 08:41.59 | nsadmin | yeah, it's wayy plenty :P |
| 08:42.28 | simonlnu | *and*, the aded bonus of server farms not having to run dist-upgrade every 2 months :P |
| 08:42.33 | nsadmin | but the prep time is a really good idea |
| 08:42.34 | simonlnu | added* |
| 08:42.42 | simonlnu | def. |
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| 08:46.35 | simonlnu | nixmaniack: well thanks for bringing it up, we had a nice convo =) |
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| 08:47.04 | nixmaniack | simonlnu, :) |
| 08:48.22 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... i want to tell some program to be opened and take the directory of the file as an argument ... %d or what ? |
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| 08:48.49 | simonlnu | man sprintf ? |
| 08:49.03 | nsadmin | of what file? |
| 08:49.28 | Vasistha | cobra-the-joker: from where are you doing this? are you writing a shell script to perform this for you? |
| 08:49.40 | cobra-the-joker | Vasistha, from kde ... open with |
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| 08:49.57 | psiklops | hello. i am running squeeze and would like to upgrade to testing. Is it safe to do so at the moment ? |
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| 08:50.36 | Vasistha | cobra-the-joker: well, you might have to ask #kde to find out how to customize "open with" commands. someone in here *might* know... |
| 08:50.50 | cobra-the-joker | Vasistha, ok |
| 08:50.59 | Vasistha | !tell psiklops about testing |
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| 08:52.39 | Vasistha | simonlnu: btw squeeze was released february of this year, not yet a year old ;) |
| 08:52.49 | simonlnu | ah, thanks |
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| 08:56.55 | Vasistha | simonlnu: I'm not yet a year behind!! I am thinking I just might get upgraded to squeeze in the next couple days..... |
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| 09:03.22 | CruX| | hello i have a c program |
| 09:03.37 | CruX| | is there a way how can I list unused procedures in code ? |
| 09:03.59 | CruX| | some static analysing tool like splint will be good |
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| 09:04.28 | nsadmin | isn't there lclint? |
| 09:04.30 | Vasistha | CruX|: maybe ask ##c ? |
| 09:04.38 | nsadmin | , versions lclint |
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| 09:04.47 | nsadmin | hmm, too bad |
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| 09:27.37 | wotan | hi All, I've got 7 computers using rdiff-backup for backup. rdiff-backup only communicates with remote rdiff-back if they're the same version. On one machine I upgraded python to 2.7 and as a result rdiff was upgraded to newer version. The old version won't work as it requires python 2.6 installed... |
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| 09:28.13 | wotan | I've got the old rdiff-backup .deb package but won't let me install, says "rdiff-backup depends on python (<< 2.6); however: Version of python on system is 2.7.2-8" |
| 09:28.34 | wotan | is there a way how to do dpkg -i package and tell dpkg to use different python? |
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| 09:36.10 | simonlnu | not easily |
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| 09:38.43 | wotan | simonlnu: are there any allternatives? |
| 09:39.16 | wotan | simonlnu: I tried changing debian_defaults in python directory to 2.6 but dpkg still picks up the new version...also change the symbolic link from 2.7 to 2.6 |
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| 09:45.00 | simonlnu | yeh, like i said, not easily. easier to pick up the new .deb and install that. it's safe as it's an interpreted language, not compiled. there's some differences between 2.6 and 2.7, but not like you went from 2.6 to 3.1 or something. |
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| 09:46.15 | wotan | simonlnu: but the problem with then new .deb is that it won't communicate with the other rdiff versions installed on other machines |
| 09:46.31 | wotan | my only chance is to downgrade rdiff-backup from 2.8 to 2.5 |
| 09:46.55 | daniel-s | hi, is anyone else getting spammed by oplacker? |
| 09:46.57 | simonlnu | or that |
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| 09:47.23 | MooseRFun | anyone have any idea why this upstart script won't run on startup? http://paste.ubuntu.com/777207/ |
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| 09:47.49 | simonlnu | !ops oplacker join spam |
| 09:47.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: simonlnu complains about: oplacker join spam |
| 09:48.12 | simonlnu | MooseRFun: debian doesn't use upstart. ask #ubuntu |
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| 09:48.38 | wotan | simonlnu: solved...I compiled rdiff-backup from source and now have a matching version |
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| 09:49.01 | simonlnu | wotan: ok |
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| 09:49.58 | streuner__ | simonlnu, niko: nothing |
| 09:50.05 | streuner__ | oh, we here go |
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| 09:50.20 | MooseRFun | simonlnu: sysv startup scripts? |
| 09:50.31 | streuner__ | simonlnu, niko: got now spam too |
| 09:50.34 | mastro | if lspci do not report a device does that means the device is not there / broken or can it be a software issue? |
| 09:50.52 | simonlnu | MooseRFun: yes, and experimental systemd |
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| 09:51.08 | simonlnu | at least they work ;) |
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| 09:51.56 | simonlnu | mastro: lspci just spouts what the kernel reports. the kernel gets it from the hardware. |
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| 09:53.43 | simonlnu | rdiff-backup not in pypi, fyi |
| 09:55.18 | mastro | simonlnu, ok.. so they forget to re-attach my audio card repairing my laptop... wonderful |
| 09:55.24 | mastro | thanks |
| 09:55.34 | MooseRFun | simonlnu: unstable uses systemd? |
| 09:55.40 | simonlnu | no |
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| 09:56.46 | simonlnu | still insserv/sysv - you can install systemd from experimental. it works pretty well, but a little odd at times... |
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| 09:58.46 | MooseRFun | I'll have to modify my install script to allow use of update-rc.d, not a biggie |
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| 10:01.20 | Maiku-kun | hi all |
| 10:01.54 | Maiku-kun | how should I make my bash script run at system start? |
| 10:02.25 | Maiku-kun | before any user logon, like any other script from /etc/init.d |
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| 10:02.34 | dzan | hi, someone knows of an option to add more cpu frequency scaling options? I only have 3 levels now. Or is there a way to really set the speed manually? ( it's for benchmarking purposes ) |
| 10:02.48 | Maiku-kun | should I make symlinks at rc.? directories manually? |
| 10:02.59 | Trewas | dzan: processors only support a limited set of frequencies, so no |
| 10:03.18 | dzan | Maiku-kun: you can just make a script and place it there and then there is a command ( which i forgot ) to make all the symlinks |
| 10:03.26 | dzan | Trewas: ok that's too bad |
| 10:03.35 | MooseRFun | Maiku-kun: are you making a package to install or is this just for one system? |
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| 10:04.36 | hivemind | guys |
| 10:04.37 | Maiku-kun | MooseRFun: it's just for my system |
| 10:04.56 | Maiku-kun | dzan: that's what I'm trying to figure out: the proper command ) |
| 10:05.00 | MooseRFun | Maiku-kun: I would put the script in /etc/init.d and make symlinks in the rc.? directories |
| 10:05.19 | MooseRFun | Maiku-kun: there's 'update-rc.d' but according to the man page, for automated installations |
| 10:05.52 | hivemind | if i want to write an iso of linux disk on the flash card, and do this card bootable, i have to do dd if=/home/hivemind/linux.iso of=/dev/sdb? |
| 10:05.56 | hivemind | or sdb1? |
| 10:06.35 | Maiku-kun | hivemind: it depends on how your flash card was recognized |
| 10:06.54 | Maiku-kun | hivemind: do fdisk -l and check it |
| 10:06.56 | hivemind | uhh, in system monitor it recognized by sdb1 |
| 10:07.07 | Maiku-kun | so, it should be sdb1 |
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| 10:07.27 | valdyn | Maiku-kun: you should probably use insserv |
| 10:07.29 | hivemind | yes, fdisk -l is saying sdb1 |
| 10:08.04 | dzan | Maiku-kun: I meant the update-rc.d command I used it before |
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| 10:12.19 | Maiku-kun | hmm, but what if I want to run 2 copies of the same daemon, but with different settings? |
| 10:12.26 | Maiku-kun | in my case, it's about mpd |
| 10:12.51 | Maiku-kun | insserv tells that mpd service is already provided |
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| 10:16.41 | Maiku-kun | oh, it seems that Provides: line of the init script should be changed |
| 10:16.59 | Maiku-kun | I'll see if it helps |
| 10:17.01 | Maiku-kun | thanks |
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| 10:33.08 | rainfyre | how do I remove gdm entirely? I don't need a gui right now on one of my boxes |
| 10:33.23 | zzz | Hi, is there any precheck- like thing in a debian package? So, lets say i' d to verify a condition, and only in case of yes to install the package. |
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| 10:35.54 | streuner__ | rainfyre: apt-get remove --purge gdm? |
| 10:36.03 | rainfyre | thank you streuner__ |
| 10:36.08 | rainfyre | I didn't do --purge |
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| 10:37.05 | streuner | zzz, look at the option "simulate" |
| 10:37.45 | streuner | zzz, example: apt-get install -s <package> |
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| 10:41.43 | streuner | rainfyre: why do you ask in different channel on different servers for such a trivial question? |
| 10:41.52 | streuner | s/channel/channels/ |
| 10:42.00 | zzz | streuner: no, no, You misunderstood my not understandable question :- ). Let' s say i wanna type apt-get install package, and during this process i wanna verify a condition (for example test -e /tmp/file, or whatever), and i want the package get installed only if the condition is true. |
| 10:42.28 | rainfyre | streuner: because no one answered and I wanted to know how to do it. |
| 10:42.44 | streuner | zzz, well, in that case you have to alter postinst |
| 10:42.45 | rainfyre | of course |
| 10:43.25 | streuner | zzz, which is usually a question of a the deb itself |
| 10:44.21 | zzz | streuner: yes, this was my thought also, but is there any preinst file for it? |
| 10:44.49 | zzz | streuner: or if no, and i' ve to use postinst, and the condition is false, how can i cancel the installing of the package? |
| 10:45.11 | streuner | zzz, they live usually in /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>.postinst |
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| 10:45.27 | babilen | zzz: Look into "DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs" (cf. "man apt.conf") |
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| 10:46.38 | babilen | zzz: You can see it used by, for example, apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs and the script will be given a list of packages that are going to be installed. |
| 10:47.52 | streuner | zzz, does it have name? |
| 10:48.00 | streuner | s/have/has/ |
| 10:48.23 | zzz | streuner: does it have name of what? |
| 10:48.36 | streuner | zzz, maybe its easier you tell us what kind of package that is |
| 10:48.42 | zzz | streuner: i see the postinst files there, |
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| 10:49.06 | streuner | zzz, sure, but they available after install process... |
| 10:49.33 | streuner | zzz, or you extract it out of the deb itself |
| 10:49.36 | zzz | streuner: this is a self made package, and all i want to know is that how should i edit the postinst file in the debian directory to prevent to install the package if the mentioned condition is false. |
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| 10:49.43 | babilen | zzz: Seriously: Don't edit the postinst files of packages unless you really have to. What are you trying to do? |
| 10:49.47 | zzz | streuner: no, certainly i just dpkg -i package.deb . |
| 10:50.11 | kurkale6ka | Hi, I am working on a samba share. I would like to force new files to have r-- for others. Ex: a user creates a file in his own directory with permissions for others ---. Then he copies his file to samba and I want file to automatically get r-- for others. Is this possible? |
| 10:50.44 | babilen | zzz: Write a preinst script -- See http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html for details on maintainer scripts. |
| 10:51.33 | zzz | babilen: oh, this was my question, whether the preinst script is exists, but then yes :- ). Thanks for it. |
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| 10:52.47 | babilen | zzz: It wasn't quite obvious if you want to call a script for *every* package that is installed or just a single one which is under your control. |
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| 10:54.55 | zzz | babilen: yes, sorry, my question was misunderstoodable :- ). |
| 10:55.36 | babilen | zzz: http://wiki.debian.org/MaintainerScripts gives some details on the control-flow of maint scripts -- Have fun! |
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| 11:14.05 | meta-coder | Does the checksums of a original DVD and it's Jigdo version match? |
| 11:15.25 | meta-coder | s/DVD/DVD ISO |
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| 11:22.42 | meta-coder | "OK: Checksums match, image is good! " |
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| 11:58.31 | DeathWolf | mmmm |
| 11:58.46 | DeathWolf | does anyone know a way to tell ssh to ignore ssh_config ? |
| 11:59.21 | valdyn | DeathWolf: the -F switch, see the manpage |
| 11:59.26 | colo-work | -F /dev/null |
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| 12:01.46 | dury | hi there channel :) Merry Xmas everyone |
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| 12:04.07 | dury | mmmm.... I got a problem it's that I can't log in my phpmyadmin. What could it be the problem? |
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| 12:06.49 | sep | dury, do you not get any kind of error message ? I'd guess on wrong password for your sql user@host entry |
| 12:07.38 | sep | keep in mind user@localhost is often separate from user@fqdn and also separate from user@% |
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| 12:12.20 | chalced | pidgin looks like it's using 100% of my cpu? http://pastebin.com/vjzmwNhK |
| 12:12.30 | chalced | on debian squeeze |
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| 12:13.25 | zzz | babilen: thanks. |
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| 12:30.41 | kurkale6ka | Hi, can I enforce files in a directory to have their permissions changed? Ex: copying a file -rwxrwxrwx to the dir would become -r--r--r-- |
| 12:31.00 | blip2 | no |
| 12:31.07 | phogg | kurkale6ka: there's no simple way to do that |
| 12:31.26 | kurkale6ka | I am trying to do it with samba |
| 12:31.41 | blip2 | hrm one of the samba settings is to chmod files |
| 12:31.52 | blip2 | but it applies to all files on that account |
| 12:32.08 | kurkale6ka | blip2: hmm exactly what I would need... |
| 12:32.09 | blip2 | rtm |
| 12:32.54 | blip2 | I believe the command you want is man smb.conf |
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| 12:33.21 | kurkale6ka | blip2: I keep reading it but can't find out blip2 |
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| 12:35.36 | blip2 | kurkale6ka: create mask = 0444 |
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| 12:36.40 | kurkale6ka | blip2: I have done this already but it helps only if you create the file on the share, not if you copy it from your personal machine |
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| 12:39.11 | jaakkos | kurkale6ka: set umask on the process that does the copying |
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| 12:40.12 | kurkale6ka | jaakkos: well it is a Documentation share, so many people can create files and put them there |
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| 12:41.14 | kurkale6ka | the solution is maybe to define a read list = group and add all users to that group |
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| 12:41.56 | jaakkos | in samba you can specify a share to be readonly too |
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| 12:41.57 | kurkale6ka | Because my real problem is to grant read permissions to anyone |
| 12:42.20 | jaakkos | ...but apparently people need to upload over samba too? |
| 12:43.04 | kurkale6ka | jaakkos: yes and what happens is some user's files arrive as -rw------- so can't be read |
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| 12:44.47 | jaakkos | kurkale6ka: those users need write access to the corresponding directory |
| 12:45.52 | kurkale6ka | jaakkos: they have write access, what I want is their files to arrive as -rw----r-- |
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| 12:57.41 | haole_ | hello there... i'm trying to install debian 6 on an old machine, but it refuses to detect my SATA hard drive... i have an A8V-X motherboard with a VIA chipset, and lspci tells me that the IDE controller is VT8251... what can i do to debug and fix this? |
| 12:58.53 | epsilon | tried changing running-as mode of sata in bios? |
| 12:59.33 | colo-work | haole_, does `lspci -k` list a driver for the device? |
| 12:59.58 | colo-work | (I've had the very same motherboard and used it without problems with the earlier 2.6 kernels) |
| 13:00.32 | k-man | I'm trying to get debian installed on an hp ML370 g5. it installed fine but I think it screwed up the grub configuration somehow and grub tries to boot the wrong partition or something. it just hangs at "trying to boot c:" |
| 13:00.56 | k-man | I have booted into the rescue disk mode of the netinst disk - how can I examine the grub configuration? |
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| 13:09.44 | haole_ | colo-work: yes... looks like adding pci=nomsi do the kernel line in grub fixed it |
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| 13:32.08 | ShishKabab | Is it possible to read the temperature of my power supply? If so, how / what package (using Debian Sid if it's relevant). |
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| 13:33.06 | streuner | lm-sensors |
| 13:33.19 | streuner | if its supported (chipset) |
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| 13:34.05 | babilen | sephii: Try #bacula |
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| 13:37.47 | sephii | babilen: thanks |
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| 13:40.56 | k-man | when grub boots into linux, I think it puts the video into some weird mode that doesn't work on this server. once X starts its fine, but I can't get a vt |
| 13:40.59 | k-man | any ideas? |
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| 13:48.11 | babilen | k-man: Edit /etc/default/grub to your liking. (Read "info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'" and set GRUB_GFXMODE to a suitable resolution) |
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| 14:12.58 | boudiccas | how do you get a sound card recognised in squeeze please? |
| 14:13.10 | pythonsnake | Hello. |
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| 14:13.18 | bla | Hello. |
| 14:13.33 | bla | Can I install single set of packages (pyside) from the unstable repos on to wheezy? |
| 14:13.36 | pythonsnake | boudiccas, what's your sound card? |
| 14:13.44 | abrotman | !tell bla about ssb |
| 14:13.46 | abrotman | bla: good luck |
| 14:13.51 | pythonsnake | bla, you can try the backports |
| 14:14.04 | bla | Ok, so either backports or manually. Thanks. ;) |
| 14:14.04 | abrotman | pythonsnake: there are no backports for wheezy |
| 14:14.15 | abrotman | the backports are created *from* wheezy |
| 14:14.40 | pythonsnake | I misread, thought it was squeeze |
| 14:14.48 | bla | deb-src solution sounds legit |
| 14:14.59 | boudiccas | pythonsnake; 00:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10) |
| 14:14.59 | boudiccas | Subsystem: C-Media Electronics Inc CMI8738/C3DX PCI Audio Device |
| 14:15.09 | pythonsnake | Is there any ways to throttle the bandwidth used by each application? |
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| 14:15.38 | bla | pythonsnake, cbq, htb, hfsc. With classifier which would classify by app (by port it's probably easy) |
| 14:16.06 | abrotman | boudiccas: lspci -k .. does it have a driver? |
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| 14:16.14 | abrotman | !wondershaper |
| 14:16.14 | dpkg | The Wonder Shaper is a script using the traffic shaping features of the Linux kernel to fix some problems, e.g. ensuring downloads continue at full speed while uploads occur at their maximum rate, keeping good interactive response times while bulk transfers are busy. Packaged for Debian, read /usr/share/doc/wondershaper/README.Debian after installation. http://lartc.org/wondershaper/ See also <lartc>. |
| 14:16.32 | pythonsnake | You've got alsa? boudiccas |
| 14:17.08 | abrotman | boudiccas: is the card listed in /proc/asound/cards ? |
| 14:17.34 | boudiccas | abrotman; 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)Subsystem: Elitegroup Computer Systems Device 1841Kernel driver in use: VIA 82xx Audio |
| 14:17.39 | pythonsnake | bla, is it GUI? |
| 14:17.50 | boudiccas | pythonsnake; yes |
| 14:18.41 | pythonsnake | boudiccas, have you unmuted? |
| 14:18.53 | bla | pythonsnake, htb itself - is an algorithms. |
| 14:19.02 | bla | pythonsnake, google for it. Maybe there are gui tools. |
| 14:19.53 | boudiccas | pythonsnake; yes |
| 14:20.13 | pythonsnake | Thanks bla |
| 14:20.15 | abrotman | boudiccas: the card is already supported, sounds like it's misconfigured |
| 14:20.29 | boudiccas | every thing is full to the max that i cna find for the sound card |
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| 14:21.29 | boudiccas | abrotman; sudo alsactl init sudo] password for boztu: Unknown hardware: "CMI8738-MC6" "CMedia PCI" "" "0x13f6" "0x0111" Hardware is initialized using a guess method |
| 14:21.44 | pythonsnake | boudiccas, with alsa mixer or some gui things? |
| 14:21.48 | abrotman | boudiccas: update-pciids |
| 14:21.55 | boudiccas | pythonmusing alsa |
| 14:22.37 | pythonsnake | Yes, then update-pciids |
| 14:23.14 | abrotman | oh thanks .. cause i'm an idiot .. |
| 14:23.33 | Twinkletoes | I've just obtained a wildcard SSL cert for my organisation. It needs installing on the web server. Can I install it into the system, and have apache use that (so it's available for all apps) or does it have to be specific to apache? |
| 14:24.11 | boudiccas | abrotman; sudo update-pciids |
| 14:24.11 | boudiccas | [sudo] password for boztu: |
| 14:24.11 | boudiccas | Downloaded daily snapshot dated 2011-12-21 03:15:01 |
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| 14:24.53 | boudiccas | abrotman; sudo alsactl init |
| 14:24.53 | boudiccas | Unknown hardware: "CMI8738-MC6" "CMedia PCI" "" "0x13f6" "0x0111" |
| 14:24.53 | boudiccas | Hardware is initialized using a guess method |
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| 14:26.36 | bmomjian | I am totally confused over how to install dhcpd on Debian Squeeze. There is udhcpd, ics dhcp, and dhcp3. I tried udhcpd but it didn't have enough features so I uninstalled it. What is the normal dhcpd usage? |
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| 14:27.13 | colo-work | ISC dhcpd is the standard(tm) DHCP server if you need to flex all of DHCP's features |
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| 14:27.58 | bmomjian | ok, that what I hoped |
| 14:28.05 | bmomjian | so I don't need dhcpd3 |
| 14:28.08 | bmomjian | let me uninstall that |
| 14:28.44 | bmomjian | why when I removed udhcpd were the /etc config files still there; that is confusing |
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| 14:29.16 | boudiccas | bmomjian; did you do sudo apt-get autoremove, sudo apt-get purge? |
| 14:29.50 | bmomjian | I think that removed it, thanks |
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| 14:31.16 | boudiccas | abrotman; any ideas on how to get hte sound card recognised please? it was working okay until yesterday |
| 14:31.25 | bmomjian | what confused me was that there is an apt-get package called 'dhcpd' which is the busybox one and doesn't allow hostnames for static leases (boo). The recommended dhcpd server I assume is called isc-dhcp-server, right. That was kind of confusing. |
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| 14:39.04 | alex-|laptop | Does Debian supports nginx? |
| 14:39.17 | lstarnes | yes |
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| 14:50.51 | samba35 | how to disable bootsplash or delete |
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| 14:51.32 | jelly | boudiccas: so you've gone from "sound not working in some mp4s" to "no sound at all"? |
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| 14:54.12 | boudiccas | jelly; i only get faint sounds in my left ear and none at all in my right ear using headphones.earpieces |
| 14:54.30 | jelly | boudiccas: what about proper speakers |
| 14:54.50 | boudiccas | the earpieces are plugged into the speakers |
| 14:55.12 | jelly | do you have the same symptom using speakers only? |
| 14:55.19 | boudiccas | wait two |
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| 14:56.04 | jelly | it seems an obvious approach to testing whether the headphones have gone bad |
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| 14:57.12 | boudiccas | jelly, the speakers work fine as do the earpieces, thanks and also thanks to abrotman |
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| 14:58.43 | boudiccas | i guess it was the sudo update-pciids that did it |
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| 15:00.54 | serega_by | Hi all. How I can improve follow situation: I want to install libc6 2.13 but I already have libc6 2.11 and when I was installing new version I get this: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of multiarch-support: multiarch-support depends on libc6 (>= 2.13-5); however: Version of libc6 on system is 2.11.2-10. dpkg: error processing multiarch-support (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured |
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| 15:02.39 | jelly | boudiccas: that is ... highly unlikely |
| 15:03.12 | boudiccas | jelly; really, well something woke it up and got it running again |
| 15:03.31 | boudiccas | jelly; i did reboot this monrn ing due to an overnight power cut |
| 15:06.55 | abrotman | boudiccas: did you /msg dpkg alsa checklist ? |
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| 15:08.13 | sinapsi | hi |
| 15:08.20 | boudiccas | abrotman; no, i didnt know about that factoid. but i've since found that i've got full sound again so its no problem, thanks |
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| 15:08.34 | sinapsi | how can I see a H.264 video on debian stable? :S |
| 15:08.36 | jelly | until it dies again! |
| 15:08.55 | abrotman | okay |
| 15:09.00 | jelly | sinapsi: does vlc or mplayer not show it? Which container format? |
| 15:09.20 | sinapsi | vlc don't show it |
| 15:09.27 | sinapsi | now i try with mplayer |
| 15:10.38 | zaltekk | run it from a console and you'll get info on the video |
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| 15:12.09 | sinapsi | ok |
| 15:13.25 | sinapsi | it works |
| 15:13.43 | sinapsi | but how can i have now the video fullscreen? :D |
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| 15:15.46 | zaltekk | sinapsi: in mplayer? press F |
| 15:15.52 | CruX| | sinapsi: press f |
| 15:16.13 | sinapsi | if i start mplayer with the gui, i can't see the video |
| 15:16.15 | sinapsi | :O |
| 15:16.33 | CruX| | sinapsi: also you can take a look here http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 15:16.36 | zaltekk | the mplayer gui frontend isn't part of the official mplayer |
| 15:16.50 | zaltekk | afaik |
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| 15:17.55 | cHarNe2 | hello, im trying to install debian 6.0.3 on a dell-server, but the installer does not have the drivers for my NIC. What type of file doed debian want for a driver? |
| 15:18.10 | jordanm | !bnx2 |
| 15:18.11 | dpkg | bnx2 is the in-tree Linux driver for Broadcom NetXtreme II 1Gb (BCM5706/5708/5709/5716) Ethernet controllers. Firmware from userspace is required since linux-2.6 2.6.24-7; ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-bnx2 package to provide. To provide firmware for device use at Debian installation time, ask me about <installer firmware>. See also <bnx2x>. |
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| 15:18.37 | jordanm | cHarNe2: that's just a guess. you will need to know what kind of nic it has. the installer should let you know which firmware file it needs |
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| 15:19.38 | CruX| | in dmesg there should be something about missing firmware file |
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| 15:20.54 | cHarNe2 | jordanm: tyvm |
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| 15:22.49 | cHarNe2 | !bnx2x |
| 15:22.50 | dpkg | bnx2x is a driver for Broadcom Everest 10Gb (BCM57710/57711/57711E) Ethernet controllers, included in Linux since version 2.6.25. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-bnx2x package to provide. To provide firmware for device use at Debian installation time, ask me about <installer firmware>. The BCM84823 PHY is supported since linux-2.6 2.6.32-35. Not to be confused with <bnx2>. |
| 15:23.51 | cHarNe2 | the nic is Broadcom 5716, but that does not seem to work. The screen just flashes back. |
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| 15:25.58 | tash | when a cron is complete email is going to root@domain.com, how can I change where it's going to? |
| 15:26.00 | abrotman | cHarNe2: you can msg the bot |
| 15:26.12 | cHarNe2 | abrotman: tyvm |
| 15:26.15 | serega_by | can somebody help me ? |
| 15:26.18 | llutz | tash: add MAILTO=you@somewhere.dom to crontab |
| 15:26.21 | abrotman | tash: man corn .. set the MAILTO |
| 15:26.25 | abrotman | man cron |
| 15:27.00 | tash | using /etc/cron.d/, not crontab, so would it still be the same? |
| 15:27.01 | abrotman | serega_by: you don't do what yu're trying to do .. |
| 15:27.06 | tash | going to man now |
| 15:27.11 | babilen | cHarNe2: Do you need it during the installation? Do you have a working (wired) internet connection? |
| 15:27.12 | serega_by | Hi all. How I can improve follow situation: I want to install libc6 2.13 but I already have libc6 2.11 and when I was installing new version I get this: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of multiarch-support: multiarch-support depends on libc6 (>= 2.13-5); however: Version of libc6 on system is 2.11.2-10. dpkg: error processing multiarch-support (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured |
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| 15:27.15 | abrotman | serega_by: either you upgrade your OS, or you don't .. you don't just grab a libc from another version of Debian |
| 15:27.24 | abrotman | !tell serega_by about repeat |
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| 15:28.01 | DammitJim | how do I get rid of a ~ at the end of a text file? |
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| 15:28.18 | abrotman | and the end of the line or the end of a text file ? |
| 15:28.18 | themill | DammitJim: context? |
| 15:28.28 | nkuttler | serega_by: looks like you mixed stable + testing? |
| 15:28.43 | serega_by | no |
| 15:28.44 | tash | abrotman: I know I could just redirect to /dev/null, but not sure I wanna do that. Isn't the MAILTO var just for crontab? |
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| 15:28.52 | serega_by | I've got squeeze |
| 15:29.01 | themill | serega_by: not any more you don't |
| 15:29.05 | DammitJim | I have a text file I downloaded from a website and mysql is having trouble importing that data because of that weird character that I can see in vi at the end of the file... non of the other files have that |
| 15:29.06 | themill | !show sources.list serega_by |
| 15:29.07 | dpkg | serega_by: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
| 15:29.16 | abrotman | tash: you can set the MAILTO to nobody .. same thing |
| 15:29.31 | cHarNe2 | babilen: i will need it to install the packages i need. or did i missunderstand you question? |
| 15:29.34 | themill | DammitJim: sure that ~ isn't showing you that it's the end of the file like vim normally does? |
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| 15:29.48 | abrotman | DammitJim: is it a ~ or - ? |
| 15:29.55 | DammitJim | themill, I don't think so because the other files don't have that |
| 15:30.04 | DammitJim | I've never seen this... it's the squiggly one ~ |
| 15:30.11 | babilen | cHarNe2: No, I was talking about the initial installation. You can provide firmare during it and I would have told you how. |
| 15:30.15 | serega_by | http://pastebin.com/gNGNaXGP |
| 15:30.28 | serega_by | this is my sources.list |
| 15:30.29 | DammitJim | http://pastebin.com/wWbURXCu |
| 15:31.07 | abrotman | DammitJim: that's a ~ .. that's supposed to be there. |
| 15:31.57 | abrotman | DammitJim: it's not really part of the file .. it's vim showing you that there is nothing past that last line but you're viewing "space" shouldn't appear blank |
| 15:32.43 | cHarNe2 | babilen: ok, im gonna try to download it to a usb-stick |
| 15:32.46 | babilen | DammitJim: You can verify this by running "tail -n 1 the_file" |
| 15:32.52 | jordanm | DammitJim: what error are you getting mhen you try import the dump? |
| 15:32.54 | themill | serega_by: do you have anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d? |
| 15:33.09 | serega_by | no |
| 15:33.16 | babilen | cHarNe2: To clarify: You haven't installed Debian on the server yet? |
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| 15:33.35 | serega_by | I want to install PeaZip Gtk |
| 15:33.35 | themill | serega_by: so did you manually download a .deb libc 2.13 and try installing it with dpkg? |
| 15:33.41 | cHarNe2 | babilen: no |
| 15:33.44 | serega_by | I try it |
| 15:33.55 | themill | serega_by: you should *not* do that |
| 15:33.56 | serega_by | and I got that message |
| 15:34.03 | serega_by | why ? |
| 15:34.03 | nkuttler | serega_by: you can't do that |
| 15:34.05 | babilen | cHarNe2: Ah, ok. Yeah, then just download the .deb with the firmware and install it manually with "dpkg -i the.deb" |
| 15:34.10 | abrotman | i said he couldn't do that! :) |
| 15:34.14 | themill | serega_by: you've just demonstrated why not |
| 15:34.17 | nkuttler | yeah.. |
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| 15:34.34 | DammitJim | dammit |
| 15:34.36 | jordanm | serega_by: libc is your core C libraries. basically everything on your system depends on it in some way |
| 15:34.41 | abrotman | DammitJim: i'm not anssweringh you again! |
| 15:34.45 | DammitJim | ok, so did anyone read my pastebin? |
| 15:34.50 | DammitJim | :( |
| 15:34.54 | DammitJim | Merry Christmas? |
| 15:34.58 | jelly | \o/ |
| 15:35.00 | abrotman | not for you! |
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| 15:35.10 | jordanm | DammitJim: yes, and many people responded. did you read their responses? |
| 15:35.18 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 15:35.20 | themill | DammitJim: that looks a lot like a ~ that vim shows you at the end of the fix it yourself then you impatient bastard |
| 15:35.28 | babilen | he left again |
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| 15:35.42 | DammitJim | holy cow |
| 15:35.44 | cHarNe2 | babilen: i need to find this file: bnx2/bnx2-mips-09-5.0.0.j3.fw |
| 15:35.46 | DammitJim | what's is going on? |
| 15:36.15 | themill | DammitJim: that looks a lot like a ~ that vim shows you at the end of the file to show you that it's the end. |
| 15:36.32 | themill | DammitJim: [15:32] <babilen> DammitJim: You can verify this by running "tail -n 1 the_file" |
| 15:36.53 | DammitJim | thanks for repasting... let me try that |
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| 15:37.18 | DammitJim | wait, what is that supposed to show me? |
| 15:37.32 | DammitJim | the command just showed me the last line |
| 15:37.38 | DammitJim | before the ~ |
| 15:37.41 | babilen | cHarNe2: That file is part of firmware-bnx2 -- http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-bnx2 |
| 15:38.00 | babilen | DammitJim: That command shows you the last line in the file |
| 15:38.04 | jordanm | DammitJim: its showing you that the ~ is something in the editor showing you the line doesn't exist and the "~" char isn't really in the file |
| 15:38.13 | DammitJim | oh |
| 15:38.24 | alex-|laptop | Is ZFS supported by debian? |
| 15:38.28 | DammitJim | but why would I not see this ~ in the other files I have downloaded? |
| 15:38.57 | themill | DammitJim: you would if you scrolled to the bottom of them. Type Gzz |
| 15:39.00 | abrotman | alex-|laptop: yes and no |
| 15:39.01 | abrotman | !zfs |
| 15:39.02 | dpkg | ZFS (originally Zettabyte File System) is a file system / logical volume manager developed by Sun Microsystems (http://deb.li/7xXU). The Debian GNU/kFreeBSD kernel since 7.2 has ZFS support, the userland utilities are packaged as zfsutils in squeeze. A <FUSE> implementation for Debian GNU/Linux systems is in zfs-fuse. For ZFS on Squeeze, see http://deb.li/i4JhI . http://zfs-fuse.net/ #zfs-fuse on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 15:39.06 | babilen | DammitJim: As already explained: Vim displays those to fill the viewport, but they are not actually part of the file. Use vim to edit a new file and you should see them on every line that is shown. |
| 15:39.12 | jordanm | alex-|laptop: ZFS is not stable on any linux systems... The native module has only been able to actually mount a filesystem for a couple months |
| 15:39.24 | serega_by | I already find solve of problem : I installed PeaZip for Linux 4.2 Qt instead of PeaZip for Linux 4.2 GTK2 and didn't get any errors. |
| 15:39.27 | jelly | jordanm: almost a year!!! |
| 15:39.30 | cHarNe2 | babilen: is it possible to just get that file? or does debian want the deb-file? |
| 15:39.39 | alex-|laptop | Why isn't ZFS being on Debian developped anymore? |
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| 15:39.53 | babilen | cHarNe2: It is probably easiest to just install the .deb -- Why is that problematic? |
| 15:40.06 | Hydroxide | alex-|laptop: Debian does support ZFS on its GNU/kFreeBSD version, which was released with squeeze |
| 15:40.15 | alex-|laptop | No, I mean native |
| 15:40.22 | Hydroxide | alex-|laptop: I mean native too |
| 15:40.29 | Hydroxide | alex-|laptop: but not native on the GNU/Linux architecture |
| 15:40.36 | alex-|laptop | http://deb.li/i4JhI ? |
| 15:40.41 | alex-|laptop | That one you mean? |
| 15:40.46 | jordanm | alex-|laptop: likely because it needs to be reversed engineered to work, and brtfs is in the future |
| 15:40.59 | Hydroxide | alex-|laptop: that version, yes. |
| 15:41.19 | jordanm | alex-|laptop: if you *really* want ZFS on a production machine, then you want BSD or solaris |
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| 15:41.23 | Hydroxide | alex-|laptop: or via the official GNU/kFreeBSD installer if you're not trying to use zfs on the root partition |
| 15:41.29 | alex-|laptop | I want to use it for my NAS |
| 15:41.35 | jhutchins_wk | ext5 ftw! |
| 15:41.39 | alex-|laptop | Root partition may be ext4/5 |
| 15:41.42 | Hydroxide | alex-|laptop: you can certainly use Debian GNU/kFreeBSD stable for that |
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| 15:41.56 | alex-|laptop | I wonder if my web UI can do that |
| 15:41.58 | Hydroxide | alex-|laptop: though it, like any FreeBSD-kernel-based system, doesn't support ext3/4, only ext2 and ufs and such |
| 15:42.10 | cHarNe2 | babilen: can i do this after the install? |
| 15:42.23 | Hydroxide | alex-|laptop: however it feels like a debian system because it is one. this includes debian's apt repository and support from the stable security team |
| 15:42.25 | alex-|laptop | Hydroxide: does this means I cannot use ext4? |
| 15:42.39 | alex-|laptop | I want 1 partition ZFS |
| 15:42.42 | alex-|laptop | or 1 disk |
| 15:42.46 | alex-|laptop | and the rest EXT4 |
| 15:42.56 | Hydroxide | alex-|laptop: yeah, FreeBSD doesn't have ext4 yet, and Debian GNU/kFreeBSD uses the FreeBSD kernel |
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| 15:43.26 | alex-|laptop | Oh |
| 15:43.32 | jordanm | Hydroxide: alex-|laptop: I have personnaly had to work with a GNU system with a non-linux kernel. its not the same. everything that interacts with the kernel is going to be different. checking RAM, io statistics, etc all are kernel-specific things |
| 15:43.32 | alex-|laptop | Then I will stick to EXT4 for a while |
| 15:43.49 | Hydroxide | alex-|laptop: you can use the installer you found on Robert Millan's blog to install a fully-official, fully-ZFS debian gnu/kfreebsd system |
| 15:43.49 | alex-|laptop | Why don't just use ZFS in the debian kernel? |
| 15:43.53 | Hydroxide | jordanm: agreed. |
| 15:43.53 | babilen | cHarNe2: Sure, but you installed already so this is not relevant. Give me more context if this doesn't answer your question. There are *a lot* of things you can do (provide firmware during installation, unpack the .deb and copy it into place manually, install the package, use netinst installer with firmware, ...) -- But I can't help you without knowing your needs. |
| 15:43.58 | Hydroxide | jordanm: doesn't mean it's worse, just different |
| 15:44.01 | alex-|laptop | Hydroxide: without EXT4... |
| 15:44.05 | Hydroxide | jordanm: and much less different than standard freebsd |
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| 15:44.32 | Hydroxide | alex-|laptop: this isn't debian-specific, but there are license incompatibilities between ZFS and Linux, so it can't be integrated into Linux |
| 15:44.49 | Hydroxide | alex-|laptop: when Sun released ZFS publicly, they chose (or maybe even invented?) a license that was GPL-incompatible |
| 15:44.59 | alex-|laptop | licenses.... |
| 15:45.08 | abrotman | jordanm: doesn't nexenta or whatever have xfs ? |
| 15:45.08 | alex-|laptop | That's the big problem in the open-source worlds |
| 15:45.11 | abrotman | uh .. zfs |
| 15:45.21 | alex-|laptop | And what about XFS? |
| 15:45.26 | jordanm | Hydroxide: Yeah, I was just pointing out that "knowing how to admin linux" is not going to directly carry over. specifically, I had to work with an open solaris kernel on a ubuntu userspace... from an admin perspective GNU find, grep, and apt were the only things that felt the same |
| 15:45.27 | Hydroxide | alex-|laptop: I have heard claims that sun specifically chose the license to be incompatible with Linux, though I've heard denials too |
| 15:45.44 | alex-|laptop | Why would they want that? |
| 15:45.45 | jordanm | abrotman: yeah, its terrible. that's what I was referring to |
| 15:45.48 | Hydroxide | abrotman: as for nexenta, they're not using the linux kernel |
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| 15:46.12 | Hydroxide | abrotman: they're using the solaris kernel. there are also some GPL/CDDL concerns that debian thinks they're avoiding, but it's actually opensolaris-based, so the issues are different |
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| 15:46.19 | abrotman | Hydroxide: right,b ut they use apt/dpkg right? |
| 15:46.44 | Hydroxide | abrotman: they do. which is related to some of the concerns debian has. there's more engagement these days than avoidance or hostility, which is good |
| 15:46.54 | jordanm | abrotman: its patched apt/dpkg. The first time I tried to install a package it required a kernel upgrade and reboot. its been patched to do things the "solaris" way |
| 15:47.08 | abrotman | jordanm: you make that sound like a bad thing :) |
| 15:47.09 | tawtaw | i have a perl script run by a user which is somehow injecting spam into my sendmail queue. how can i figure out what script that perl process is runnig? i tried lsof -p pidnumber but that did not really tell me much about the script being run |
| 15:47.10 | Hydroxide | alex-|laptop: regarding xfs, linux does have that, and therefore so does debian gnu/linux |
| 15:47.26 | abrotman | tawtaw: strace/ltrace ? |
| 15:47.36 | tawtaw | abrotman: can i strace a running process? |
| 15:47.36 | tawtaw | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.55 | alex-|laptop | XFS is better than ZFS? |
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| 15:48.01 | jordanm | abrotman: when I typed "apt-get install foo", my expectation was not a big warning about how upgrades of the kernel and core system packages were required along with a reboot. then I saw forum posts of people saying their systems did not come back from this reboot |
| 15:48.10 | abrotman | alex-|laptop: different, not better or worse |
| 15:48.16 | Hydroxide | alex-|laptop: as for why sun would want zfs to be incompatible with linux, I can't speak to the actual the reasoning that they may or may not have had several years ago, but one reason might be that they wanted to keep ZFS as a competitive advantage of solaris vs linux while still making it open source |
| 15:48.19 | alex-|laptop | same performance but then native in linux? |
| 15:48.33 | Hydroxide | xfs has both advantages and disadvantages relative to zfs, I expect |
| 15:48.41 | alex-|laptop | Oh so people would choose Solaris because of ZFS |
| 15:48.50 | jordanm | XFS lacks many features that ZFS has. my experience is that XFS is much less tolerant to errors than ext3/4 |
| 15:48.53 | Hydroxide | alex-|laptop: yeah, that's the main reasoning where I can see that making sense |
| 15:49.07 | tawtaw | abrotman: strace is telling me that this process is injecting mails. :) thanks |
| 15:49.08 | jordanm | I would only use XFS if you need a filesystem > 16TB |
| 15:49.28 | alex-|laptop | I guess I will stick to ext4 then |
| 15:49.44 | mastro | dmidecode show my sound card as present but disabled (I don't see it in lspci) is there anything I can do to switch it to enabled? |
| 15:50.10 | jordanm | alex-|laptop: how much data are you dealing with? |
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| 15:51.10 | abrotman | tawtaw: hehe |
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| 15:51.40 | alex-|laptop | jordanm: I don't know yet. I have many small disks which include my data. |
| 15:52.01 | alex-|laptop | I want to place that data onto big disks |
| 15:52.10 | alex-|laptop | And backup all the disks that I still use |
| 15:52.30 | jordanm | alex-|laptop: well, you seemed to have bypassed step 1. Step 1 to designing your NAS/backup environment should be determining how much data you have and will need in the future |
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| 15:52.50 | alex-|laptop | I think at least 5 TB |
| 15:53.07 | alex-|laptop | No wait, not at least |
| 15:53.09 | alex-|laptop | 5 TB max |
| 15:53.14 | alex-|laptop | Future proof |
| 15:53.20 | jordanm | that's very little. disk drives are cheap, go the ext3/4 route |
| 15:53.30 | abrotman | alex-|laptop: please, less enter key |
| 15:53.31 | jordanm | "Future proof" flw |
| 15:53.33 | alex-|laptop | jordanm: they aren't cheap |
| 15:54.00 | jelly | disk drives are slow. |
| 15:54.06 | alex-|laptop | jelly: so? |
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| 15:54.33 | jelly | alex-|laptop: so care needs to be taken when designing a storage system |
| 15:54.42 | alex-|laptop | I don't know if I do need a NAS anyway... I can store data on my game pc. |
| 15:54.59 | jordanm | oh... this is a home system |
| 15:55.15 | jordanm | I was thrown off my talk of enterprise filesystems |
| 15:55.22 | alex-|laptop | lol |
| 15:56.32 | alex-|laptop | I think I need some disk with old stuff (some archive which I connect to my NAS when I need the data of it). And some disks able to do backups from pc's, and some disks for every day use (downloading, movie storage, music storage). |
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| 15:57.29 | jordanm | !flw |
| 15:57.29 | dpkg | <rwaite> i run as root, in fact, no other accounts except for root exist on this machine |
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| 15:58.31 | jordanm | alex-|laptop: now is actually the worst time to invest in HDD storage, with the prices jacked up |
| 15:58.47 | alex-|laptop | jordanm: I know, I don't need it now |
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| 16:00.07 | tawtaw | abrotman: hmm what do i do now, i can see that the perl process is injecting the mails to the queue, but i cannot see why it got started, do you have any ideas what i could do ? |
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| 16:01.58 | abrotman | tawtaw: does it have a PPID? |
| 16:02.21 | abrotman | jordanm: what's that blazestorage thing ? |
| 16:02.35 | abrotman | backblaze.com |
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| 16:02.48 | tawtaw | abrotman: i think perl is the parent, but i am not sure how to verify this |
| 16:02.58 | abrotman | tawtaw: pstree might help |
| 16:03.00 | tawtaw | lsof does not show this |
| 16:03.01 | tawtaw | ah |
| 16:03.01 | jordanm | abrotman: no idea |
| 16:03.19 | abrotman | maybe that's not it .. /me searches again |
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| 16:03.40 | tawtaw | pstree -p 29562 gives: perl(29562) |
| 16:03.42 | abrotman | oh, it is .. see their blog .. |
| 16:03.54 | qr223 | somoene told me that when my hard drive is full it will be a lot heavier than when it's empty is that true? |
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| 16:04.35 | abrotman | qr223: no |
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| 16:04.46 | qr223 | oh |
| 16:04.47 | qr223 | thanks |
| 16:04.58 | qr223 | i thought it made sense because of all the files on it it might get heavier |
| 16:05.42 | abrotman | worst troll today |
| 16:06.21 | tawtaw | qr223: if its a flash memory it will contain more photons when its filled up |
| 16:06.47 | tawtaw | then again i dont know if light has weight or not |
| 16:07.41 | qr223 | is that why flash memory is fast? because it can travel at the speed of light? |
| 16:08.15 | abrotman | please stop |
| 16:09.17 | qr223 | abrotman: turn that frown [ :( ] upside down [ :) ] !!!! |
| 16:09.30 | abrotman | qr223: do you have anything Debian related to say? |
| 16:10.10 | qr223 | apt-get remove abrotman |
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| 16:21.44 | Rob__ | Apparently my 100 Mbs init.d script is missing LSB headers and is throwing errors/warning messages when I try to do anything with apt-get |
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| 16:22.29 | tawtaw | is it possible to see what script a perl intrepreter is triggering ? |
| 16:23.17 | zaltekk | tawtaw: should be on the command line |
| 16:23.48 | zaltekk | perl [switches] [--] [programfile] [arguments] |
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| 16:29.10 | tawtaw | zaltekk: the script was run about a month ago |
| 16:29.20 | tawtaw | zaltekk: ic annot check the bash history |
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| 16:37.22 | NikLP | ok newb question perhaps, but how the dickens do I remove all traces of php so I can install a new one? I have a squeeze official install but wanted fpm so needed a dotdeb version, which means I now have two freaking phps on there and I don't know what it's doing (or I'm doing) any more... little help please? :) |
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| 16:38.36 | cHarNe2 | Hello, im unable to find my raid for an install, i can see it in BIOS |
| 16:39.00 | happynoff1 | Hi there. Is it possible to switch to upstart on an existing machine, without breaking everything ? |
| 16:39.10 | bla | cHarNe2, is it a hardware raid? |
| 16:39.18 | cHarNe2 | bla: yes |
| 16:40.10 | bla | If it is so - you might need a driver (Installation asks if it should load additional drivers), it should be transparently visible (Assuming you've already configured the RAID using it's BIOS) |
| 16:40.22 | Owner_ | yum upgrade -y |
| 16:40.25 | Owner_ | oops |
| 16:40.34 | bla | cHarNe2, If the driver is unavailable you'd have to get it from somewhere, drop the RAID, or ask other people. |
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| 16:41.10 | cHarNe2 | bla: i see, thanks! |
| 16:41.11 | bla | cHarNe2, and you should really be sure that it's an hardware raid and not a pseudo hardware raid. |
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| 16:41.43 | haole_ | is booting over a LAN some kind of legacy technology? my motherboard calls LAN boot as "Legacy LAN boot" |
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| 16:43.49 | MarkDBlackwell | An interpreter directive (hash bang, shebang, #!) to another script is not calling the script for me on Debian lenny 4.1.2-25, Linux 2.6.26-2-686, bash 3.2.39(1). In the first line of executable script, /try-hashbang/a , can't I say #!/try-hashbang/b ? |
| 16:44.03 | bla | cHarNe2, and one more thing - I'd prefer software (Linux) raid to hardware raid any day. |
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| 16:45.07 | Rob__ | Sorry hit enter before I finished my question. Apparently my 100 Mbs init.d script is missing LSB headers and is throwing errors/warning messages when I try to do anything with apt-get. I've read I need to LBS headers to the 100Mbs script. Would they look like the headers here: http://www.wowza.com/forums/showthread.php?10077-debian-package-add-LSB-tags-and-overrides-to-etc-init.d-WowzaMediaServer? |
| 16:45.16 | MarkDBlackwell | I know I could use /usr/bin/env , but I'm dealing with other people's scripts, and my tiny test case showed that's the problem. |
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| 16:47.52 | cHarNe2 | bla: ohh, ok well then i might try that if you wanna give me a hand? |
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| 16:48.41 | jhutchins_wk | NikLP: This is one of the reasons people here tend to be somewhat hostile to dotdeb. You can purge anything with php in the packagename and reinstall. You can use find and locate to clean up anything left over. |
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| 16:48.56 | bmomjian | I am finding I can't re-bind ^a-space in screen 4.00.03jw4. Has anyone else been able to do that? |
| 16:48.58 | bla | cHarNe2, I'm partially present; but many will help. During installation you can click-it-out using Debian installer. |
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| 16:49.40 | DammitJim | how can I see how busy the hard disk is on the command line? |
| 16:49.49 | cHarNe2 | bla: ok, im just gonna see if i find the raid with archlinux then im up to test a sw-raid |
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| 16:49.59 | bla | cHarNe2, you'd have to create a partition 'RAID' on both discs (put somewhere /boot without a raid; so in general you should have 2 partitions on both drives; and then configure RAID (there's an option in a menu) |
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| 16:50.33 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: iostat from sysstats. |
| 16:51.45 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: sorry, just sysstat |
| 16:52.24 | NikLP | jhutchins_wk: I've seen the hostility, but not sure why that's reflected by what I've done ~ simply because it causes conflicts with debian core packages? What's a better alternative to dotdeb tho? I only wanted fpm for nginx! :/ I started with gentoo which is ok for compile time options but it's a bit of a ballache... :P |
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| 16:53.15 | jhutchins_wk | NikLP: It allows people who don't know what they're doing to get into trouble they can't get out of. |
| 16:53.28 | jhutchins_wk | fpm is very new and hardly stable |
| 16:53.53 | jhutchins_wk | NikLP: Why not simply purge the packages? |
| 16:54.02 | jhutchins_wk | !dotdeb |
| 16:54.02 | dpkg | it has been said that dotdeb is for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/ , but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. The packages from backports.debian.org are vastly superior. Ask me about <backports> and <debian-backports>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" |
| 16:54.29 | jhutchins_wk | NikLP: There you go, use that aptitude command. |
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| 16:55.25 | NikLP | :D |
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| 16:56.06 | MarkDBlackwell | Never mind, I found the answer! For the interpreter, in a hash-bang interpreter directive, to be a script, per http://www.in-ulm.de/~mascheck/various/shebang/#interpreter-script , the Linux kernel must be at least 2.6.27.9. Will that run on my lenny? Probably not, or lenny would have upgraded, I think. I suppose some incompatible change in the Linux kernel caused the squeeze release in the... |
| 16:56.07 | MarkDBlackwell | ...first place. :0 |
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| 16:59.05 | meta-coder | info psad |
| 16:59.16 | meta-coder | !info psad |
| 16:59.31 | dpkg | psad: (Port Scan Attack Detector), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.1.7-1 (sid), Packaged size: 183 kB, Installed size: 768 kB |
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| 17:03.10 | rawburt | I'm running Debian testing/Wheezy and I have no /usr/bin/mail, though I have an MTA installed... I'm surprised to find this to be the case |
| 17:03.25 | rawburt | mailx is a virtual package |
| 17:03.54 | rawburt | ah, I need heirloom-mailx |
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| 17:21.06 | bittin | trying to find the right firmwire for my Radeon 7500 in Debian, what do i want? |
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| 17:24.00 | abrotman | bittin: there is none |
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| 17:30.04 | valdyn | bittin: on which debian release? |
| 17:30.08 | jelly-home | bittin: is that one of your old Macs |
| 17:30.16 | bittin | jelly-home, yea |
| 17:30.33 | bittin | valdyn, 7.0 |
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| 17:30.57 | valdyn | bittin: that should be covered by the firmware-linux-nonfree package |
| 17:31.05 | bittin | ah |
| 17:31.16 | bittin | yea my gfx card works but has a wierd error |
| 17:31.23 | bittin | like 5% of the screen always stays black |
| 17:31.47 | jelly-home | dunno about a mac, but that card didn't need fw on x86 |
| 17:32.18 | valdyn | jelly-home: maybe youre forgetting that the firmware used to be in the kernel |
| 17:32.36 | jelly-home | yes |
| 17:33.10 | jelly-home | still I'd try an older Linux rather than a new one, on such a system |
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| 17:33.40 | bittin | its an eMac g4 |
| 17:33.43 | valdyn | bittin: 7.0 doesnt exist, its testing or wheezy |
| 17:33.53 | bittin | valdyn, testing |
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| 17:34.28 | valdyn | bittin: release number isnt determined yet. |
| 17:34.33 | bittin | but i think i need to change res or something |
| 17:34.38 | simonlnu | emacs have those crazy nvidia cards usually |
| 17:34.47 | valdyn | simonlnu: imacs ? |
| 17:34.50 | simonlnu | ah a radeon |
| 17:35.06 | bittin | parts of the screen is black |
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| 17:35.22 | LoRez | is there a way to get ucf to bugger off and never ask to replace a configuration file I've changed? |
| 17:35.43 | simonlnu | emacss were a short run. different beasts. they're all-in-ones for eductational outfits. |
| 17:35.48 | simonlnu | s,ss,s, |
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| 17:36.04 | bittin | as simonlnu said |
| 17:36.06 | viezerd | What will happen with Lenny repositories if support drops on 6 Februari ? Are the repositories closing the same day ? |
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| 17:36.16 | simonlnu | (without the typos) |
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| 17:36.21 | bittin | somone know their way around xrandr? |
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| 17:37.45 | abrotman | valdyn: why would the free radeon driver need firmware? |
| 17:38.06 | bittin | well i guess i must live with that but it sucks that 2cm of the monitor always is black |
| 17:38.11 | simonlnu | bittin: my radeon 9000 needs firmware. i think the 7500 does too (that would be the linux-firmware-nonfree someone mentioned) |
| 17:38.13 | abrotman | viezerd: eventually, they move to archive.debian.org |
| 17:38.30 | valdyn | abrotman: i dont really know or care about the "why", but the firmware is in the abovementiond package |
| 17:38.43 | bittin | simonlnu, unable to locate that package |
| 17:39.08 | simonlnu | bittin: be aware that there's usually a black part of the screen on mac monitors... it's how they run. |
| 17:39.31 | viezerd | abaddon: thanx for the info |
| 17:39.46 | simonlnu | bittin: you need contrib non-free in sources.list to see it ("/msg dpkg non-free" in this channel) |
| 17:39.49 | viezerd | abrotman: thanx for the info |
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| 17:40.40 | bittin | simonlnu, ah diden't know that |
| 17:41.12 | NikLP | is there a preferred, centralised docs place for apt-get and assoc commands? I'm in guesswork territory at the moment :/ |
| 17:41.18 | simonlnu | bittin: debian has a stricter definition of free software than a lot of distros, hence the categories. |
| 17:41.46 | simonlnu | NikLP: the man pages, and aptitude-doc packages |
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| 17:42.23 | nsadmin | NikLP, try /usr/share/doc/<pkg>... what exactly are you looking for? |
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| 17:42.57 | NikLP | a place to learn about purge/remove/apt-get/apt-cache etc. it seems a little fragmented. frankly I don't know what I'm doing |
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| 17:43.31 | NikLP | <command> <action> <stuff> always seems pretty smart to me... but I guess there's a reason for all the different stuff :? |
| 17:43.37 | nsadmin | what do you want to do? maybe one thing you want to do now |
| 17:44.28 | NikLP | find all packages involving php ; remove those packages. |
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| 17:45.00 | nsadmin | finally.... someone with some sense and taste... |
| 17:45.05 | NikLP | cos I've mashed it up with dotdeb |
| 17:45.21 | NikLP | haha I'm a drupal dev so this is a temporary measure I'm afraid my man ;) |
| 17:45.28 | nsadmin | oh, so you want to remove the dotdeb stuff? |
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| 17:45.48 | abrotman | probably can do it by Origin instead |
| 17:46.45 | NikLP | this is my point.. if I could google "aptitude" and everything was linked, no prob, but it's all dpkg, apt-cache, apt-get install/remove/whatever, |
| 17:46.53 | NikLP | I have no idea wtf is going on with that.. |
| 17:46.54 | nsadmin | NikLP, is that what you wayt, to get rid of dotdeb stuff? |
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| 17:47.13 | NikLP | well I guess I have borked my previous core deb packages with the dotdeb |
| 17:47.24 | babilen | NikLP: You might want to read http://debian-handbook.info/files/2011/11/chapter-apt-free-sample.pdf and http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html |
| 17:47.24 | nsadmin | ok, so I see a coupla separate wants |
| 17:47.25 | NikLP | there is a mix, so best trash the lot and start again, won't take long I think |
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| 17:48.20 | nezZario | is */15 * * * * /foo/bar valid crontab to run every 15 secs? |
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| 17:48.47 | nsadmin | nezZario, I don't think cron does seconds |
| 17:49.12 | nezZario | yeah i figured, but, I know * */15 is valid to say every 15 minutes |
| 17:49.38 | nsadmin | true, and what I'm saying is there's no position for seconds |
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| 17:51.50 | nsadmin | look at man 5 crontab, about 90 lines down |
| 17:51.55 | wildc4rd | Good afternoon all! |
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| 17:52.09 | NikLP | nezZario: cron can only run max once per minute |
| 17:52.13 | NikLP | afaik |
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| 17:54.38 | abrotman | NikLP: that's correct |
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| 17:55.02 | NikLP | yay I know something :P |
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| 17:55.29 | NikLP | in light of the fact that fpm is getting little love here, what's the alternative? or is there a place to get a sensible version of it? |
| 17:56.10 | nsadmin | some cronds wouldn't guarantee anything smaller than 5 mins |
| 17:56.29 | abrotman | NikLP: you installed dotdeb for that? what a mess |
| 17:56.45 | NikLP | depends on the run time I guess - drupal is relatively careful about it in that it checks for an already running cron |
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| 17:57.07 | NikLP | abrotman: well no matter, if I only knew how to wipe all the fracking php off my box |
| 17:57.10 | abrotman | NikLP: /msg dpkg ssb .. you can try to backport it from wheezy, but it may go poorly, and you'll be on your own for security updates |
| 17:57.15 | NikLP | which I still don't |
| 17:57.25 | koollman | nezZario: I'm wondering, what is it that you need to do every 15 seconds ? |
| 17:57.26 | abrotman | NikLP: aptitude purge "*php*" |
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| 17:57.38 | NikLP | backports... yeah more sh1t isn't it... |
| 17:57.40 | abrotman | koollman: i bet it has to do with game stats? :) |
| 17:57.41 | NikLP | oh well :) |
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| 17:57.56 | NikLP | abrotman: is there a way to check what that will kill in advance please? |
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| 17:58.07 | abrotman | NikLP: aptitude search "*php*" |
| 17:58.28 | abrotman | that's a good start |
| 17:59.03 | nsadmin | NikLP, at some point you might want to look into debtags |
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| 17:59.42 | thewanderer1 | guys, how exactly am I supposed to start an IM chat on GNOME3? it's running Empathy somewhere in the background, but I can see no way to open a conversation window O.o |
| 17:59.54 | NikLP | I'm almost tempted to say "windows rocks for installing shit" :/ |
| 18:00.09 | haole | hello there... i'm trying to setup an atftpd server in debian 6, but when i try to start the service, nothing happens... i think that i need to debug the script from init.d, but i'm not sure... can anybody help me? |
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| 18:00.14 | tharkun | thewanderer1: xterm + irssi ftw :) |
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| 18:00.32 | nsadmin | thewanderer1, you want to talk about gnomes?! |
| 18:00.57 | thewanderer1 | tharkun, I need XMPP and Gadu-Gadu... and finch really does suck for that |
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| 18:01.08 | abrotman | thewanderer1: switch to the app, lookin the lower right corner |
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| 18:01.21 | tharkun | thewanderer1: i think bitlbee does XMPP yet i am not sure |
| 18:01.25 | AlexC_ | G'morning |
| 18:01.38 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, yeah ok, the icon is missing but I can conjure it with alt+f2 empathy... what now? |
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| 18:02.13 | thewanderer1 | I right-click a contact, select Chat, nothing happens... same for double-click |
| 18:02.22 | AlexC_ | I've got an application logging to syslog (rsyslog) and I'd like to configure email notification for these messages. What is out there to make this possible? I'm not finding a great deal on Google, ommail seems to have been compiled in |
| 18:02.49 | bittin | i fixed it, i had wrong refresh rate :D |
| 18:02.57 | thewanderer1 | the only way I can chat with people right now is to wait till they message me and then reply in the tiny "notification bubble" O.o |
| 18:03.33 | dury | hi there channel :-) Merry Xmas |
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| 18:05.04 | dury | Is there a channel to talk about mobile phones like Nokia 3720 classic? |
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| 18:05.31 | rly | How can I benchmark a harddisk with some fancy tool to show read/write speed? |
| 18:05.40 | rly | There is some Gnome tool which does that. |
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| 18:07.31 | NikLP | awww ^^^ isn't that sweet? :) |
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| 18:08.21 | NikLP | :P |
| 18:08.42 | haole | how do i install a package from testing in debian stable 6? |
| 18:08.53 | petemc | AlexC_: logwatch |
| 18:09.05 | thewanderer1 | (also, is it just me or does GNOME3 drain the battery faster?) |
| 18:09.26 | sephii | haole: first look if it's in the backports |
| 18:09.59 | sephii | haole: then think again if you really need that version of the package |
| 18:10.06 | abrotman | rly: bonnie++ |
| 18:10.12 | abrotman | thewanderer1: why not just use pidgin ? |
| 18:10.31 | haole | sephii: it isn't on the backports and the stable's version seems to have a bug that was fixed not long ago: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=613582 |
| 18:10.34 | sephii | haole: and if it's not in the backports and you really need it, you can still do apt pinning, but I discourage you to do so |
| 18:10.37 | haole | sephii: i bumped into this bug now |
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| 18:11.25 | AlexC_ | petemc: It appears despite what I've been reading, rsyslog is compiled with ommail module, so now I have that working :) |
| 18:11.29 | AlexC_ | Thanks though |
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| 18:11.41 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, because of "failed to initialize rasqual. Aborted." ... |
| 18:11.46 | bittin | My computer always loses the alsa settings when i reboot how do i save them? |
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| 18:11.52 | abrotman | thewanderer1: works on my wheezy |
| 18:11.57 | rly | abrotman: that's not 'some gnome tool'. |
| 18:11.58 | sephii | haole: I'm not sure which king of bugfixes go in the stable branch, but maybe you just have to wait some time |
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| 18:12.42 | abrotman | rly: run it from gnome-terminal .. problem solved |
| 18:13.05 | rly | abrotman: I am talking about a program which shows pretty real-time graphs, etc. |
| 18:13.25 | rly | abrotman: I do understand that bonnie++ does exactly the same, but then with terminal output. |
| 18:13.27 | abrotman | rly: how is that a benchmark ? |
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| 18:13.55 | abrotman | rly: guess you'll have to google .. not aware of any such tool in Debian |
| 18:13.56 | rly | abrotman: the GUI output takes less than a percent, likely. |
| 18:14.16 | exeter | Quick Q: I'm planning to buy a samsung chromebook 3g. Is that debian friendly? |
| 18:14.35 | bittin | i always have to modprobe snd-powermac when i reboot the computer i need to make that module load auto i guess |
| 18:15.19 | abrotman | bittin: /etc/modules |
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| 18:17.27 | exeter | (considering that I am a newbie, of course) |
| 18:17.47 | mns | does anyone have problems starting up pcmanfm and/or thunar ? I just can not get either of them started for the last couple of weeks. |
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| 18:25.24 | edju | Is there some reason that webmin isn't in the repos? Is the BSD license too restrictive or something? |
| 18:25.45 | Hydroxide | edju: bsd license isn't a problem. |
| 18:26.06 | Hydroxide | edju: if there is a problem, it might be security issues. some versions of webmin have been / are in some versions of debian |
| 18:26.21 | mns | edju: webmin is the problem, not the license. webmin was/is too insecure to be included. that is the last that I recall. |
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| 18:27.27 | NikLP | hmm aptitude search *php* complains about regex :/ |
| 18:27.46 | abrotman | quotes ? |
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| 18:28.18 | NikLP | used |
| 18:28.22 | jelly-home | NikLP: what are you trying to do. |
| 18:28.23 | NikLP | got it :) |
| 18:28.25 | NikLP | aptitude search "\.*php\.*" |
| 18:28.53 | NikLP | find all crap with php in so I can scrap it and be done with fpm and nginx until fpm is stable and I don't have to use dotdeb :p |
| 18:29.28 | thewanderer1 | huh, it worked fine for me |
| 18:29.43 | NikLP | weird |
| 18:30.03 | AlexC_ | NikLP: FPM is perfectly stable, I've been using it in production for quite a while |
| 18:30.03 | abrotman | or just `aptitude search php` .. you don't need the asterisk |
| 18:30.04 | NikLP | with "*php*" I get "E: Regex compilation error: Invalid preceding regular expression" |
| 18:30.10 | NikLP | ha ok :) |
| 18:30.11 | abrotman | it's searching on package name anyway |
| 18:30.16 | NikLP | sure :) |
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| 18:30.50 | jelly-home | touch failphpboat; aptitude search *php* |
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| 18:32.05 | simonlnu | fpm also WorksForMe. been using it for months. |
| 18:32.32 | simonlnu | mod_php? what's that? |
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| 18:33.02 | simonlnu | NikLP: i build my own nginx |
| 18:33.16 | simonlnu | based on upstream and the debian packaging |
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| 18:36.49 | NikLP | well its in core now I think, but not in the repos, amiright? |
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| 18:37.24 | NikLP | simonlnu: I had a hell of a time with it tho, but I don't know much about compiling in deb really. I used emerge a bit under gentoo, but all of this is pretty new to me |
| 18:37.27 | haole | how do i install a tftp server in a fresh debian 6 stable install? all the options i've found (tftpd, atftpd and tfptd-hpa) won't work |
| 18:38.08 | haole | tftpd and atftpd fails with an obscure "atftpd: invalid IP address" error... tftpd-hpa fails with error 71 (???) on the post installation script |
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| 18:38.52 | ROKO__ | hai |
| 18:39.09 | ROKO__ | it is possible to get firefox 7 8 9 in debian 6 squeeze ? |
| 18:39.41 | simonlnu | how about 10 11 12 too while you're at it? |
| 18:40.04 | ROKO__ | one of them ... |
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| 18:41.04 | simonlnu | they're not in debian at all. iceweasel is. |
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| 18:41.16 | simonlnu | !iceweasel |
| 18:41.16 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. See also <iceweasel backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
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| 18:42.13 | jelly-home | !mdn |
| 18:42.14 | dpkg | Backports of the Iceweasel web browser and Icedove mail client are not available from <debian backports>. See http://mozilla.debian.net/ for newer Iceweasel and Icedove for squeeze, wheezy or sid. Work continues to get the packages into the official archive without breaking too many other xul-using applications. Also ask me about <transition>, <squeeze-backports>, <testing>. |
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| 18:43.07 | jelly-home | ROKO__: you can get a build of 9 or whatever the current release is from there |
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| 18:43.20 | ROKO__ | jelly-home: bports ? |
| 18:43.29 | jelly-home | ROKO__: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 18:43.50 | simonlnu | ! iceweasel =~ s/<iceweasel backports>./<iceweasel backports> and <mdn>./ |
| 18:43.51 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called ' iceweasel' to modify, simonlnu |
| 18:43.55 | simonlnu | !iceweasel =~ s/<iceweasel backports>./<iceweasel backports> and <mdn>./ |
| 18:43.55 | dpkg | OK, simonlnu |
| 18:44.22 | jelly-home | simonlnu: those two are the same thing! |
| 18:44.42 | simonlnu | the factoid name - see what dpkg said |
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| 18:45.16 | jelly-home | !literal mdn |
| 18:45.16 | dpkg | "mdn" is "<reply> see mozilla.debian.net" |
| 18:45.21 | jelly-home | !literal mozilla.debian.net |
| 18:45.21 | dpkg | "mozilla.debian.net" is "<reply>see iceweasel backports" |
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| 18:45.27 | jelly-home | simonlnu: same thing! |
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| 18:47.55 | ponyofdeath | hi, any idea why folloing this http://wiki.debian.org/UserShutdown still gives me an active ck-list-session when i use startx |
| 18:48.05 | chalced | i need a little help: http://pastebin.com/m7tmmDTv |
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| 18:49.06 | simonlnu | jelly-home: yes, but i was adding to the iceweasel factoid |
| 18:49.43 | simonlnu | jelly-home: oh, never mind. i see now. |
| 18:49.49 | simonlnu | doh! |
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| 18:50.19 | simonlnu | hangs head in shame |
| 18:50.28 | jelly-home | !tea simonlnu |
| 18:50.28 | dpkg | hands simonlnu a nice frosty glass of tea with yak's butter and salt. |
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| 18:50.45 | Jef91 | Anyone know where the scripts are typically located that are run when a system suspends/unspends? |
| 18:51.03 | simonlnu | fixed it |
| 18:51.55 | simonlnu | and thank you. look like i need another one :P. |
| 18:51.55 | chalcedony | what command will help find the new location for xchat logging? |
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| 18:52.46 | simonlnu | try /set in xchat? |
| 18:53.27 | somiaj | Jef91: personal scripts or debian scripts? (look at the pm-utils package if that is what scripts you use during suspends/resumes) |
| 18:53.43 | chalcedony | simonlnu, that could modify where it's logging to? |
| 18:54.05 | chalcedony | find should find it, but i'm not used to using find |
| 18:54.05 | Jef91 | i'd like to add a personal script somiaj |
| 18:54.12 | somiaj | Jef91: /etc/pm/ for custom scripts, /usr/lib/pm-utils/ for the system scripts |
| 18:54.17 | simonlnu | yes, but i imagine it'll also show what the settings are. it does it with irssi. |
| 18:54.26 | somiaj | Jef91: provided of course you use pm-utils, I don't keep up which set of scripts are standard. :/ |
| 18:54.43 | chalcedony | wow! interesting! |
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| 18:55.20 | somiaj | Jef91: the docs in /usr/share/doc/pm-utils could also be useful |
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| 18:56.00 | jelly-home | how do I suspend a machine form command line? |
| 18:56.36 | daemonkeeper | acpi |
| 18:57.12 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home, pm-suspend |
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| 18:58.20 | simonlnu | chalcedony: um, also, you might want to modify your find command too. something like find [path, . works for CWD] -iname [case INsensitive] '*some*set*of*words*here**globbing*is*kewl'. when you run find like you did, it's almost like ls -1 |
| 18:58.45 | simonlnu | that's a one, not el |
| 18:59.04 | chalcedony | i'm familiar with ls -l thanks :) |
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| 18:59.23 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: thanks, that worked |
| 18:59.27 | ehsan_ | !amd64 |
| 18:59.28 | dpkg | amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running Debian i386 with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. Intel Core 2, Core i3/i5/i7 and Xeon (since 2004) systems are x86-64. http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ #debian-amd64 on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>. |
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| 19:03.53 | rly | Does the gnome disk utility benchmark tool delete data when writing? |
| 19:04.32 | rly | It just asks me whether I really want to do a a write test, but not what the consequences of doing that ware. |
| 19:04.36 | rly | are* |
| 19:04.52 | karlpinc | rly: I don't suppose it has a manual? |
| 19:05.01 | rly | If it bypasses the FS and randomly writes on the disk, that's going to be unhealthy for my data. |
| 19:05.20 | rly | karlpinc: these things shouldn't be in the 'manual'. They should be in the GUI in my face. |
| 19:05.30 | rly | karlpinc: also, most manuals suck for GUI applications. |
| 19:06.41 | karlpinc | rly: Descriptions of the various choices could be lengthy and hard to fit on the screen. (Although there's probably an icon right in front of you that exactly describes what will be done! ;-) |
| 19:07.37 | rly | karlpinc: the "manual" is one big joke. |
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| 19:08.17 | karlpinc | rly: If you don't get help here there's always #gnome (or #something). |
| 19:08.18 | rly | karlpinc: there is an icon with an exlamation mark and a disk, but that doesn't tell me what I want to know. |
| 19:08.40 | karlpinc | rly: I stay away from all those gui apps. |
| 19:09.01 | rly | karlpinc: they could just say "This application will very likely destroy all your data on your machine. " |
| 19:09.07 | karlpinc | rly: By now you could have read the man page for bonnie++ and be running something. |
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| 19:12.09 | rly | karlpinc: and does bonnie++ delete data? |
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| 19:19.28 | chalcedony | simonlnu, what does CWD stand for please? "something like find [path, . works for CWD]" |
| 19:19.50 | rly | chalcedony: current working directory. |
| 19:19.51 | ChibaPet | Current Working Directory |
| 19:20.02 | rly | Can someone just say 'no' to my question? |
| 19:20.15 | rly | Proving a negative is rather difficult. |
| 19:20.17 | chalcedony | ah thanks rly |
| 19:20.42 | chalcedony | rly, i appreciate your frustration (and don't know the answer) |
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| 19:29.14 | dougmencken | hi! is there debian devs and maintainers channel? |
| 19:29.20 | qwd | Hi, I have a laptop that I tried updating to Sid and it got messed up. I'm trying to start it and it says "Please wait, loading kernel... /pci/*something*,/vmlinux: No such file or directory |
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| 19:29.35 | tensorpudding | dougmencken, #debian-devel on OFTC i think? |
| 19:29.42 | dougmencken | qwd: what did you done before? |
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| 19:29.53 | tensorpudding | most everything official is on OFTC |
| 19:29.57 | acu | I installed wheezy AMD in a laptop, and have only the base install - I want to install kde, what command I need to type ? |
| 19:29.58 | dougmencken | tensorpudding: okay, I'm just from oftc's #debian, but that's not a dev channel |
| 19:29.58 | tensorpudding | and not freenode |
| 19:30.32 | qwd | dougmencken: edited sources.list and change squeeze to sid, then aptitude dist-upgrade twice. first time it booted, next time it didn't. |
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| 19:30.49 | qwd | I'm guessing I don't have a kernel installed |
| 19:31.15 | dougmencken | qwd: this is very unlikely to sid |
| 19:31.31 | qwd | dougmencken: what do you mean? |
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| 19:31.44 | phogg | sounds like you need a rescue disc regardless |
| 19:31.47 | dougmencken | qwd: for 6 years, never met such |
| 19:32.11 | dougmencken | qwd: how do you boot? your bootloader? boot params? |
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| 19:32.27 | Da_Syntax | Hi |
| 19:32.34 | dougmencken | hello |
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| 19:32.50 | Da_Syntax | im trying to get debian fully functional on my samsung laptop |
| 19:32.58 | dougmencken | and? |
| 19:33.04 | Da_Syntax | it works prety smooth already out of te box |
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| 19:33.16 | Da_Syntax | but backlight controll doesnt work |
| 19:33.18 | qwd | dougmencken: This is in yaboot 1.3.13, and it's on a Powerbook G4. |
| 19:33.41 | dougmencken | qwd: then you're right on the right way :) I'm powerpc user too |
| 19:33.53 | Da_Syntax | i already found a fix, i had to edit a samsung-laptop.c and tried to compile it |
| 19:34.09 | Da_Syntax | bu every time it stops because of an error |
| 19:34.10 | qwd | dougmencken: when I press tab to list all defined images I get only one. Linux old |
| 19:34.31 | dougmencken | qwd: looks like your yaboot haven't been updated |
| 19:34.43 | dougmencken | yaboot.conf on 2nd (boot) partition |
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| 19:35.13 | dougmencken | qwd: can you get Finnix (debian-based live cd) and burn it and to boot it? |
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| 19:35.44 | dougmencken | qwd: or can you dive into openfirmware to look at your hd@'s? |
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| 19:36.25 | Da_Syntax | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-486/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 19:36.26 | qwd | dougmencken: I put in what I think was a Debian disc but it won't boot from it. Now I'm not sure how to get it out as the eject button on the keyboard won't eject |
| 19:36.58 | dougmencken | qwd: hold on command+option+o+f on reboot |
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| 19:37.39 | dougmencken | inside of, just 'eject cd' shall work (if your of aliases are okay) |
| 19:37.56 | chalcedony | i'm not making sense of this llhull@Marcus:~/.xchat2$ find ~/.xchat2/ "*debian:freenode*12-2011*" = find: `*debian:freenode*12-2011*': No such file or directory |
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| 19:38.14 | nicoulaj | Anyone knows a good alternative to incron that allows recursion ? |
| 19:39.06 | qwd | dougmencken: I'm guessing that's the fn button and the apple button? |
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| 19:39.52 | qwd | if so it doesn't seem to do anything, I still end up in yaboot |
| 19:40.03 | dougmencken | qwd: command is apple, yeah; option is alt (two lines, with branch) |
| 19:40.09 | dougmencken | o and f are letters |
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| 19:40.29 | kalib | can I run a ms sql server on debian? |
| 19:40.34 | kalib | I'm using squeeze |
| 19:40.44 | dougmencken | kalib: o_(*) |
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| 19:40.52 | Kuifje111 | I doubt it |
| 19:41.02 | Digdilem | maybe in wine, but you're crazy to be asking |
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| 19:41.29 | kalib | thanks.. |
| 19:41.36 | qwd | dougmencken: cd ejected, thanks!P |
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| 19:41.56 | dougmencken | qwd: wow, welcome to OF command line, it is Forth ;) |
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| 19:42.44 | qwd | dougmencken: oh and now I found my actual Debian disc, guess the one I forgot to write on was something else. I'll give this one a try |
| 19:43.24 | dougmencken | can you help me with this small thing, x86 guys (64-bit ones especially): if you do have libc6-dev installed, do you have /usr/lib/crti.o ? |
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| 19:44.10 | qwd | dougmencken: I have 64-bit but don't seem to have that file. |
| 19:44.24 | dougmencken | qwd: x86_64? or ppc_64? |
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| 19:44.44 | qwd | dougmencken: err, sorry, I don't have libc6-dev installed either though :) and |
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| 19:45.34 | ksx4system | is it possible to remove broken package? I can't apt-get -f remove --purge dovecot-mysql |
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| 19:46.57 | qwd | dougmencken: I installed it and yeah now I do have that file on x86_64 |
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| 19:47.55 | dougmencken | qwd: nice |
| 19:48.17 | dougmencken | qwd: the problem is that we don't have that file on ppc64 multilib |
| 19:48.27 | dougmencken | so this is a debian packaging bug |
| 19:48.57 | dougmencken | maybe on other targets too |
| 19:49.15 | qwd | dougmencken: I have the Debian install disc ready on my Powerbook now, can I fix the problem from it or should I still get Finnix? |
| 19:49.41 | dougmencken | qwd: try to boot debian, of course, and 'rescue' mode |
| 19:49.57 | ksx4system | one more time, is it possible to remove broken package? apt-get -f install && apt-get -f remove --purge doesn't help |
| 19:50.01 | dougmencken | don't forget about OF 2.0 boot menu (hold right option key) |
| 19:50.10 | ksx4system | I need something what will brutally force removing package |
| 19:50.17 | dougmencken | ksx4system: dpkg? |
| 19:50.19 | qwd | I should probably mention that the hard drive is encrypted with dm-crypt on the powerbook |
| 19:50.29 | ksx4system | dougmencken: ? |
| 19:50.48 | dougmencken | ksx4system: dpkg --force-help |
| 19:51.28 | dougmencken | qwd: encrypted device? |
| 19:51.36 | dougmencken | wierd |
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| 19:52.31 | qwd | dougmencken: yep. and I tried rescue now but it seems to have crashed and the screen is kind of showing terminal and text but it's very dark purple so I can hardly see. And it seems to be fading to black. |
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| 19:53.18 | dougmencken | qwd: does it boot? o_O try video=ofonly single appended to yaboot kernel args line |
| 19:53.45 | dougmencken | very dark purple is a sign of broken opengl via sdl |
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| 19:55.05 | rly | Can someone look at this html output of bonnie++? It seems terribly slow. http://paste.debian.net/149880/ |
| 19:55.15 | qwd | dougmencken: not in yaboot, with rescue from the debian cd. video=ofonly worked fine. |
| 19:56.09 | dougmencken | okay nice |
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| 19:56.34 | dougmencken | offb module rulez |
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| 20:04.49 | xaashi | hi, debian folk, need help / pointers in reinstalling debian on an encrypted root(lvm), without destroying my home partition |
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| 20:05.50 | xaashi | is it possible to boot for live system, mount the partitions, chroot into them and install |
| 20:07.14 | curtlee | I'm wanting to do some work to the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package. Is there a development guide that could help me get started working from the source used to build the package? |
| 20:07.39 | qwd | How do I mount a usb drive from Debian installation discs rescue mode? |
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| 20:08.08 | xaashi | qwd: doesn't mount work? |
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| 20:08.35 | xaashi | qwd: mount /dev/sdx <destination> |
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| 20:15.03 | valdyn | curtlee: a development guide? |
| 20:15.53 | curtlee | I just found the Debian New Maintainers' Guide. I think this is what I was looking for. |
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| 20:20.32 | xaashi | hi, anyone familiar with ecnrypted root and reinstalling with it |
| 20:20.47 | ChibaPet | The installer makes it fairly easy. What's your question? |
| 20:21.56 | xaashi | ChibaPet: and update messed up my system, i assume I need to reinstall |
| 20:22.33 | xaashi | ChibaPet: i'd like to do that with out destroying the content of my exiting home partiotion |
| 20:22.34 | ChibaPet | xaashi: Can you give more detail? |
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| 20:22.45 | ChibaPet | Is /home its own partition? |
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| 20:23.19 | ChibaPet | If so and you have the passphrase, reinstalling is okay - just don't format that, and you can re-add it. And of course, make sure you have back-ups always. |
| 20:23.21 | xaashi | ChibaPet: i have an encrpted root llvm partions /boot,/,/home |
| 20:23.55 | ChibaPet | The installer is good about letting you wipe out some things and preserve some things untouched. |
| 20:24.05 | xaashi | ChibaPet: yes, my concern was whether it was safe to reinstall so long as i didnt repartition and didnt change passphrase |
| 20:24.49 | xaashi | ChibaPet: sweet, thanks man will get the installer |
| 20:25.08 | Balboa | Anyone knows an alternative for ulogd? for logging iptables to mysql |
| 20:25.08 | ChibaPet | If you can't repair the system without an install - yes, the installer should be aware of your set-up, and if you tell it not to erase things you want to preserve, you'd ought to be safe. But not as safe as if you'd had back-ups as well. |
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| 20:26.10 | kalib | Hi people. How can I make my ralink RT2561/RT61(wireless card) works on debian squeeze? |
| 20:26.24 | xaashi | ChibaPet: an update seems to have removed the kernel and initrd from my /boot so grub is stuck .. hence i can't see any way around it |
| 20:26.35 | kalib | I can see it with ifconfig.But it looks lke the driver/module is not installed. I can't list networkswth iwlist.. |
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| 20:27.07 | simonlnu | !rt2561 |
| 20:27.08 | dpkg | Ralink RT61 802.11g PCI chipsets (RT2501/RT2561, RT2600/RT2661) are supported by the rt61pci driver, introduced in Linux 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/rt61pci |
| 20:27.18 | xaashi | ChibaPet: will first try to copy the kernel and initird from a love cd to the boot partition and hope that works .. else will have to plunge ... things lie this were much easier with old grub |
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| 20:27.38 | simonlnu | kalib: ^^^^ |
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| 20:28.00 | kalib | simonlnu, thanks.. |
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| 20:28.38 | simonlnu | kalib: for the firmware, do /msg dpkg ralink firmware in here |
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| 20:28.56 | kalib | simonlnu, ;] |
| 20:29.15 | simonlnu | 'k ;) |
| 20:29.22 | Balboa | mylog ulogd acts weird: 4th byte of the logged ip is not correct (the rest is correct) |
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| 20:33.31 | cek | i have joined this channel for only 1 reason |
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| 20:33.58 | cek | to say that debian sucks. you just must know it. i've had plenty of struggle in the past and i deserve voicing my opinion here |
| 20:34.12 | willwh | cek: ? haha |
| 20:34.22 | willwh | substantiate your claim |
| 20:34.24 | cek | it took at least 2 years of my life |
| 20:35.00 | cek | of not more. the packages are hard to develop and understand. the whole package flow is badly documented |
| 20:35.08 | rly | Can you explain why my dmesg contains: ata1.00: configured for UDMA/33? |
| 20:35.22 | rly | That is 5 times less than what the hardware can do. |
| 20:35.39 | simonlnu | cek: have a nice day. go troll somewhere else. bye. |
| 20:35.49 | rly | cek: you are right. |
| 20:36.01 | rly | cek: then again, everything sucks. |
| 20:36.20 | cek | no why, go take a look at rhel docs. they are beutiful |
| 20:36.28 | cek | as are docs from msdn. really. |
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| 20:37.01 | simonlnu | !ops cek trolling |
| 20:37.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: simonlnu complains about: cek trolling |
| 20:37.44 | themill | cek: please play elsewhere. /dev/null would be appropriate. |
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| 20:38.12 | cek | yeah, that was exactly the attitude when i asked for help here 1 yr ago |
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| 20:38.21 | peterS | also, #debian isn't a very useful place to offer suggestions for improvement of debian |
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| 20:39.02 | simonlnu | it's a support channel, not a complainfest channel |
| 20:39.25 | peterS | even if it were full of complainers, it's not like the people who regularly help fix debian necessarily hang out here waiting for suggestions |
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| 20:39.51 | simonlnu | no kidding, heh |
| 20:40.04 | peterS | rly: as for why your kernel decided to set ata1.00 to UDMA/33, that's a kernel question. what sort of device is it? a disk? DVD writer? what? |
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| 20:40.15 | rly | peterS: internal harddisk |
| 20:41.17 | peterS | rly: well. you might try installing hdparm and playing with that, see what happens if you try to set the udma mode higher |
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| 20:41.47 | rly | peterS: http://www.linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=747 |
| 20:41.49 | peterS | rly: also, and this is mainly just me being curious, what bus and controller is this? sata? old-style ATA? |
| 20:41.57 | rly | peterS: SATA |
| 20:42.24 | rly | peterS: is there any probability that you can actually provide useful advice? |
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| 20:42.57 | peterS | rly: non-zero probability. one common problem with sata is setting the motherboard BIOS to use a legacy interface instead of AHCI |
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| 20:43.05 | peterS | rly: in practice, AHCI is more efficient and reliable |
| 20:43.11 | rly | peterS: it is a computer from 2003. |
| 20:43.16 | peterS | but some motherboards have sata chips that can do both modes |
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| 20:43.23 | rly | peterS: it only recently got really slow. |
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| 20:43.57 | peterS | rly: is there any context around the dmesg line about UDMA/33? Also, did this happen at boot time or some time later? if there's more to the story in dmesg, could you pastebin it? |
| 20:44.13 | rly | peterS: http://paste.debian.net/149880/ <- this is bonnie++ output |
| 20:45.00 | peterS | man that's hard to read. thanks bonnie++ |
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| 20:46.11 | rly | peterS: you are supposed to put that in a file and open it in a browser. |
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| 20:49.35 | peterS | rly: anyway, if there's more to dmesg that relates to the ata port, please do pastebin that |
| 20:51.11 | rly | peterS: ignore the ata issue. That was my mistake. |
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| 20:51.26 | rly | peterS: it remains, however, really, really slow. |
| 20:51.44 | peterS | rly: so the disk is really slow, bonnie++ confirms this, but it doesn't seem to be a matter of UDMA modes or whatever? |
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| 20:52.12 | rly | peterS: it wasn't that slow 6 months ago. |
| 20:52.34 | rly | peterS: it seems like a configuration/driver issue |
| 20:53.29 | Rob__ | Can someone help me add LSB Headers to an init.d script? |
| 20:53.41 | peterS | rly: it's worth checking dmesg anyway, in case the disk itself is having problems and causing bus resets and that sort of thing |
| 20:55.03 | rly | peterS: nah, I know that issue (and this machine doesn't have that). |
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| 20:55.14 | rly | peterS: anyway, time is up. I will just buy a new machine. |
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| 20:59.53 | peterS | rly: it'd be nice to know whether it's a disk that is getting too old, or a SATA controller that's getting too old, or a kernel driver that's not working right ... but yeah, if the system is from 2003 it may be time to look at replacing it _anyway_, I guess |
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| 21:00.30 | peterS | rly: we do have motherboards we deal with at work in which sometimes when there's SATA problems, we switch the cable to the second SATA port on the motherboard and the issues go away |
| 21:00.41 | peterS | that may be worth trying |
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| 21:04.23 | rly | peterS: ok, I can try that. |
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| 21:09.07 | Freeaqingme | I'm wanting to set up a gateway that has 2 WAN interfaces and switches to the secondary when the primary is down. Anybody got any pointers where to start? |
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| 21:11.17 | bindi | http://wiki.debian.org/Bonding |
| 21:12.24 | Freeaqingme | bindi, thanks, but I think that works a tad differently in a masquerading setup? |
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| 21:14.32 | bindi | tbh, i wouldnt know |
| 21:14.49 | kurkale6ka | Hi, I used dpkg-reconfigure locales and I selected en_GB.utf8 but the command locale still shows 'C's everywhere |
| 21:16.38 | somiaj | kurkale6ka: did you logout and back in to the shell to get it to reset the env vars? |
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| 21:17.34 | kurkale6ka | somiaj: yes I did |
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| 21:22.03 | juan` | Hi! |
| 21:22.16 | kurkale6ka | What else could break my locale? |
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| 21:23.00 | ChmEarl | logout, log back in |
| 21:23.27 | juan` | how can I install Debian GNU/kFreeBSD from a USB stick? I'm looking for an image so it can be copied as dd if=deb.img of=/dev/sdb |
| 21:23.31 | juan` | Any ideas? |
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| 21:24.14 | kurkale6ka | ChmEarl: I even restarted |
| 21:24.14 | abrotman | juan`: did you read the installation manual ? |
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| 21:28.10 | froggyman | is there a mailing list available that sends out emails for updates to the stable line? |
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| 21:29.36 | juan` | yes , but it doesn't say anything about an image to dd it. |
| 21:29.48 | themill | !sua |
| 21:29.50 | dpkg | Stable Updates Announcement. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-stable-announce/ and ask me about <squeeze-updates>. |
| 21:30.12 | froggyman | themill: thanks |
| 21:30.42 | juan` | nevermind... thanks anyway |
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| 21:31.02 | abrotman | guess he wasn't interested |
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| 21:42.49 | alabd | Good day all , what' the differnece between debians with linux kernel ? freebsd kernel ? |
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| 21:42.59 | Kuifje111 | how do I allow the FTP protocol with iptables? as in not just allow port 21, but also the port that it opens for data transfer |
| 21:43.31 | cromag | 20 is data i think |
| 21:43.46 | cromag | or |
| 21:43.47 | Kuifje111 | no, it picks a random port |
| 21:43.54 | cromag | specify a range of ports in the server |
| 21:44.15 | cromag | you are sometimes able to do that in the config of the server |
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| 21:44.24 | Kuifje111 | iptables is a stateful firewall, so there must be a better way |
| 21:44.32 | cromag | might be for passive mode |
| 21:44.56 | themill | nf_conntrack_ftp? |
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| 21:45.21 | cromag | Kuifje111: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-security-4/iptables-rules-for-active-ftp-22127/ for active ftp |
| 21:45.31 | cromag | if passive i THINK you need to specify port range |
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| 21:45.38 | Kuifje111 | ok, thank you |
| 21:46.05 | cromag | np |
| 21:50.17 | jhutchins_wk | Kuifje111: See also http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
| 21:50.39 | Kuifje111 | ok, thanks |
| 21:50.45 | jhutchins_wk | Kuifje111: Also consider NOT using ftp, it is an insecure service and can open your server to rootkits. |
| 21:51.11 | jhutchins_wk | Kuifje111: Almost anything you can do with ftp you can do over ssh. |
| 21:51.36 | jhutchins_wk | Kuifje111: Most windows ftp clients understand ssh/scp/sshfs these days. |
| 21:51.45 | Kuifje111 | rootkits? yes, I know it is not secure (i.e. data transfered in plain text). I was just using it as an example |
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| 21:57.32 | phik | question: what RSS reader do people use? im a bit late to party... |
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| 21:59.14 | dondelelcaro | phik: I personally use a planet, but there are tons of them out there |
| 21:59.19 | tnks | does the SPI charge contributing members a membership fee? |
| 21:59.39 | roe | I have installed flashplugin-nonfree but I still can't load flash objects in epiphany |
| 21:59.54 | tnks | I have local 501(c)(3) that I'm worried is pulling legal fiction out of their ass. |
| 22:00.00 | roe | any help would be appreciated |
| 22:00.00 | tnks | but I don't have proof yet. |
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| 22:00.04 | dondelelcaro | tnks: no |
| 22:00.19 | tnks | dondelelcaro: cool, I'll take any proof you can provide. |
| 22:00.27 | tnks | I'm Googling around. |
| 22:00.44 | dondelelcaro | tnks: SPI does charge member projects an overhead fee on donations, but that's pretty standard |
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| 22:01.08 | dondelelcaro | tnks: as far as proof, I'm a contributing member, and I don't pay dues. Not sure what more proof you're looking for |
| 22:01.32 | rooisto47 | j #ubuntu-fr |
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| 22:03.10 | kurkale6ka | I don't get it, I have LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 and LANGUAGE="en_GB:en" in /etc/default/locale |
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| 22:04.12 | alabd | Good day all , what' the differnece between debians with linux kernel ? freebsd kernel ? |
| 22:04.41 | lstarnes | alabd: the kernel is different |
| 22:04.43 | alabd | e.g which one is securer ? and are all stable |
| 22:04.49 | alabd | lstarnes: ! |
| 22:05.04 | lstarnes | alabd: linux is likely better tested |
| 22:05.17 | lstarnes | alabd: as for actual security, the two may be equal |
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| 22:06.19 | trist4n | the adage states that freebsd focuses on security and linux on speed. but since both are usually rolled according to the specifications such a generalisation doesnt mean much |
| 22:06.30 | talexb | Hey, I installed a more up to date kernel on my 64 bit VM using the linux-image-amd64 and linux-headers-2.6.39-bpo-2-amd64 packages. I'm having trouble doing the same thing for my 32 bit VM. |
| 22:07.02 | tnks | dondelelcaro: totally cool |
| 22:07.20 | tnks | I'm going to build a evidence-based case against this fucktard. |
| 22:07.27 | talexb | I tried linux-image-2.6-486 and linux-headers-2.6.39-bpo-2-486 .. kernel is still on 2.6.32 .. |
| 22:07.35 | tnks | and I'm going to use Debian's SPI as a case in point. |
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| 22:13.49 | danols_work | hi all! |
| 22:14.09 | danols_work | anyone know from the top of their head how to instruct dig -FOO domain.com to grab ALL entries ? |
| 22:16.09 | lstarnes | dig domain.com any or dig domain.com axfr |
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| 22:17.01 | danols_work | u sir are a savior! |
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| 22:23.26 | hikenboot1 | hello all I have been trying to compile 2.6.32-6-pve with zfs support I find myself being given the following possible solution https://github.com/zfsonlinux/spl/commit/1114ae6ae74a287478cd8a34770fc4a907f84134 can someone tell me what I have to do with this...do i download these files and replace the ones found in the build tree? |
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| 22:29.22 | alabd | trist4n: but lstarnes said both are equal in security |
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| 22:38.09 | grey_gandalf | Hi, I could use some help in getting my X usable on my older laptop |
| 22:38.47 | grey_gandalf | its performance is indecent and it is all banded... like running 16bpp or so |
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| 22:45.20 | thewanderer1 | grey_gandalf, Intel i810 graphics? |
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| 22:46.43 | grey_gandalf | savage |
| 22:47.39 | grey_gandalf | [ 3489.535] (II) SAVAGE(0): virtualX:1024,virtualY:768 |
| 22:47.41 | grey_gandalf | [ 3489.535] (II) SAVAGE(0): bpp:16,tiledwidthBytes:2048,tiledBufferSize:1572864 |
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| 22:52.21 | Morgawr | hey guys... sorry to bother but I accidentally ruined my sources.list file (debian stable). Where can I get a copy of the default one? |
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| 22:53.46 | jaggz | how do I speed up /dev/random from remote (over ssh)? |
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| 22:55.29 | themill | dpkg: tell Morgawr about make squeeze sources.list |
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| 22:56.07 | Morgawr | themill: thanks :) |
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| 23:07.54 | hikenboot1 | build parameter ---with-linux-obj ...what is this looking for? |
| 23:08.07 | hikenboot1 | should say config parameter |
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| 23:11.56 | marcin | Hi, I'm trying to build kernel with grsec enabled. Well the problem which appears is a message error: unable to open initial console. What's the hell? I'm not using initrd. |
| 23:12.45 | acu_ | guys - anyone knows what is this message I installed Debian Wheezy daily in AMD64 phenom machine - and I have this error message every 10 seconds - what is it- how to get rid of it ? kernel:[ 1594.436064] [Hardware Error]: cache level: L2, tx: GEN, mem-tx: SNP |
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| 23:15.08 | vagn | just updated 64 bit squeeze and https in icewesel not working. works fine from another machine. works fine with another browser. is anyone else seeing this? |
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| 23:16.03 | thewanderer1 | !doesn't work |
| 23:16.03 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 23:17.26 | bezaban | vagn: hmm. https pages just stalling on wheezy too |
| 23:17.36 | bezaban | they never load |
| 23:17.46 | vagn | thats what i'm seeing |
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| 23:18.40 | thewanderer1 | I'm on 3.5.16 from Squeeze, although the system is a mixed Squeeze/Wheezy/Sid |
| 23:18.48 | thewanderer1 | check the bugzilla, I guess |
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| 23:24.12 | corretico | gente |
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| 23:27.25 | Sarten-X | ter about 2 hours on the wiki, I'm getting annoyed with dead ends, and I need a bit of help. I have a USB installation disk (dd if=netinst.iso of=/dev/sdd). I'm trying to install to a machine with no optical drive, and whose BIOS does not support USB booting. It does currently boot GRUB from its existing Arch installation (which is to be removed entirely). Any advice on how to make GRUB boot the USB disk? |
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| 23:28.53 | babilen | Sarten-X: http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 23:30.50 | Sarten-X | ...so install that into doomed Arch's /boot, and boot the boot manager through GRUB, and boot USB through the bootmanager? |
| 23:31.56 | Sarten-X | looks like it's worth a shot |
| 23:31.58 | Sarten-X | thanks |
| 23:31.59 | babilen | Sarten-X: I haven't used it personally, but that is my understanding too. |
| 23:32.06 | Sarten-X | kk |
| 23:32.07 | Sarten-X | thanks again |
| 23:32.18 | babilen | Good luck! |
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| 23:32.19 | vagn | bezaban: bug 652888 iceweasel https support broken |
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| 23:34.10 | bezaban | vagn: thanks |
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| 23:36.40 | pythonsnake | Hi. How can we check the bandwidth usage of each application? |
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| 23:38.23 | acu_ | I installed Debian Wheezy daily in AMD phenom machine - and I have this error message every 10 seconds - what is it- how to get rid of it ? kernel:[ 1594.436064] [Hardware Error]: cache level: L2, tx: GEN, mem-tx: SNP |
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| 23:39.13 | jiphex | pythonsnake: iftop |
| 23:39.36 | nsadmin | take yotal bw usage, sum bw of all other apps, subtract |
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| 23:39.57 | pythonsnake | Thank you ji |
| 23:39.58 | pythonsnake | Thank you jiphex |
| 23:41.16 | pythonsnake | bash: iftop: command not found even after installing the package iftop. Is this normal? |
| 23:41.43 | vagn | /usr/sbin/iftop |
| 23:41.45 | vagn | be root |
| 23:42.59 | pythonsnake | hmm |
| 23:44.20 | pythonsnake | I don't see app names... |
| 23:44.53 | pythonsnake | Maybe I am doing it wrong? iftop -i wlan0 |
| 23:45.04 | jiphex | you need to read the documentation |
| 23:45.10 | jiphex | it's more based around port numbers |
| 23:45.24 | jiphex | I'm not sure if there is something which is application aware |
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| 23:46.20 | pythonsnake | That's quite confusing |
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| 23:46.40 | ajikeshi | Python1320, you could use it in conjunction with netstat |
| 23:47.30 | jiphex | pythonsnake |
| 23:47.34 | jiphex | is this for a desktop or servr? |
| 23:47.37 | jiphex | *server |
| 23:48.22 | pythonsnake | desktop |
| 23:48.31 | pythonsnake | laptop :P |
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| 23:49.20 | jiphex | okay, so it is slightly tricky, yes. you'll need to play around with the s, S, d and D buttons inside iftop to show what you want |
| 23:49.23 | jiphex | but it's not simple |
| 23:49.51 | pythonsnake | ajikeshi, is that app specific? |
| 23:49.59 | ajikeshi | O_o |
| 23:50.16 | ajikeshi | nah... look at the port and use netstat to find out which app is using which port |
| 23:50.29 | pythonsnake | What does "O_o" mean? |
| 23:50.42 | jiphex | pythonsnake: maybe this: http://nethogs.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 23:52.34 | pythonsnake | yay jiphex! |
| 23:52.41 | pythonsnake | That's what I want, thanks |
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| 23:53.57 | pythonsnake | Hmm, xchat doesn't use as much as bandwidth as I expected |
| 23:56.03 | ksx4system | pythonsnake: wtf, all IRC clients should use the same bandwidth ammounts |
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| 23:56.50 | pythonsnake | yes ksx4system |
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| 23:57.10 | pythonsnake | I meant, irc doesn't use as much as bandwidth as I expected |
| 23:57.41 | Agiofws | hello |
| 23:57.44 | Agiofws | i have a serious problem |
| 23:58.14 | nsadmin | psych services around the corner, up the stairs, to the right, up the stairs, to the left |
| 23:58.33 | e2b04836 | *giggles* |
| 23:58.37 | Agiofws | :) |
| 23:58.38 | pythonsnake | what? |
| 23:58.50 | nsadmin | Agiofws, whats up? |
| 23:58.57 | pythonsnake | Agiofws, what is it? |
| 23:58.59 | Agiofws | ok WHENEVER i startxfce4 |
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| 23:59.13 | abrotman | sorry .. no support for Agiofws anymore! |
| 23:59.19 | e2b04836 | lol |
| 23:59.21 | Agiofws | mono and tomboy spawn 898798 processes ... and freeze up my DE |
| 23:59.21 | pythonsnake | why abrotman |
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| 23:59.50 | abrotman | Agiofws: tried another Mono app like banshee ? |
| 23:59.51 | bla | Doesn't sound as serious as you introduced it. |
| 23:59.54 | Agiofws | i try to kill them continuously before my system gets borked |
