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| 00:00.06 | abrotman | try killin gthe PPID |
| 00:00.12 | Agiofws | could iUninstall it via synaptic ? |
| 00:00.13 | pythonsnake | sounds like troll |
| 00:00.20 | abrotman | me or him? |
| 00:00.21 | nsadmin | pythonsnake, because the pythonsnake got tangled up! |
| 00:00.24 | pythonsnake | him |
| 00:00.30 | abrotman | hehe .. hardly |
| 00:00.38 | nsadmin | himme? |
| 00:00.39 | MichelleZ | use ulimits to ring fence processes and keep the rest of your system healty in the event of a run away |
| 00:00.41 | abrotman | Agiofws: uninstall tomboy? sure |
| 00:00.45 | pythonsnake | how do you know that it's exactly 898798 processes? |
| 00:00.45 | Agiofws | abrotman, i have to issue like 20 kiallall tomboys before it borks |
| 00:00.57 | abrotman | Agiofws: killall the mono |
| 00:01.01 | Agiofws | abrotman, i have notes stored in tomboy |
| 00:01.08 | Agiofws | abrotman, i did that |
| 00:01.14 | abrotman | Agiofws: i'm sure they're in uh .. XML somewhere |
| 00:01.17 | nsadmin | pythonsnake Agiofws has been around a long time... we're just playing |
| 00:01.27 | Agiofws | but still i have to issue the command like 50 times |
| 00:01.29 | pythonsnake | nsadmin, we? |
| 00:01.43 | nsadmin | just let it go |
| 00:01.48 | pythonsnake | playing? |
| 00:01.48 | abrotman | we, nsadmin and I |
| 00:01.59 | nsadmin | it's ok |
| 00:02.06 | Agiofws | abrotman, isn't killall mono supposed to ALL of mono processes ? |
| 00:02.11 | nsadmin | feel into whatever you have to |
| 00:02.21 | abrotman | Agiofws: if you get the right process name .. sure |
| 00:02.59 | Agiofws | guys this is really a problem some F program is calling 76768 tomboy and i can't figure what is ... doing that |
| 00:03.08 | pythonsnake | Agiofws, .lol what's this problem |
| 00:03.09 | Agiofws | abrotman, i am getting the right process |
| 00:03.20 | Agiofws | because ... in TOP |
| 00:03.31 | Agiofws | its shoes like MONO about 20 times |
| 00:03.44 | Agiofws | and after that tomboy |
| 00:03.48 | Agiofws | its like |
| 00:03.51 | lstarnes | f-spot? |
| 00:03.58 | boudiccas | !enter |
| 00:03.58 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 00:04.16 | Agiofws | mono /path/to/tomboy.exe in ps -faux ... |
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| 00:04.37 | Chowzzf | I'm getting an error after attempting to install python-mechanize via apt-get and it's causing python-zope.interface to fail. Error log: http://pastebin.com/bwEvaMsN |
| 00:04.38 | Agiofws | shows* |
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| 00:05.24 | abrotman | boudiccas: don't think f-spot is mono |
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| 00:06.10 | lstarnes | it is |
| 00:06.11 | babilen | it is |
| 00:06.14 | pythonsnake | when will debian squeeze be upgraded? |
| 00:06.21 | abrotman | to what? |
| 00:06.27 | nsadmin | never |
| 00:06.39 | boudiccas | abrotman; sorry? i wasn't talking about f-spot or mono |
| 00:06.41 | lstarnes | it will receive bugfixes |
| 00:06.46 | Agiofws | anyone |
| 00:06.48 | Agiofws | ? |
| 00:06.48 | nsadmin | (for certain values of "upgrade") |
| 00:07.01 | pythonsnake | Agiofws, everyone! |
| 00:07.24 | technologov_ | squeeze will get updates soon to 6.0.4 (upgraded? - not really.) |
| 00:07.24 | Agiofws | is there a kind of loG that shows what program executed mono or tomboy 8789798 times logging into my DE ? |
| 00:07.35 | pythonsnake | I meant, when will testing become stable |
| 00:07.49 | technologov_ | hmm.. in 2013. |
| 00:07.55 | nkuttler | Agiofws: i'd probably start by killing x.. and then get rid of such crappy apps |
| 00:08.01 | pythonsnake | will gnome become 3? |
| 00:08.01 | boudiccas | pythonsnake; how long is a piece of string? |
| 00:08.03 | abrotman | Chowzzf: jesus .. and if you try again, same thing ? |
| 00:08.04 | nsadmin | when ready... they're going to try to freeze in abt 6 mos |
| 00:08.11 | pythonsnake | boudiccas, what string |
| 00:08.12 | abrotman | pythonsnake: WIR, SIYH |
| 00:08.13 | Agiofws | nkuttler, i have Notes in tomboy |
| 00:08.25 | pythonsnake | abrotman, what? |
| 00:08.37 | nkuttler | Agiofws: so? can't be much if you haven't saved them |
| 00:08.53 | abrotman | pythonsnake: acronym-finder.com |
| 00:09.00 | Agiofws | nkuttler, i have ... |
| 00:09.06 | Agiofws | but whast the use then |
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| 00:09.30 | pythonsnake | i suppose it's when it's ready.. |
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| 00:09.43 | nkuttler | Agiofws: oh did you just ignore my first advice and jump to the second which you don't like? |
| 00:09.44 | Agiofws | nkuttler, i have found out something though that when i use fresh xfce config files its doesn't spawn |
| 00:09.48 | Chowzzf | abrotman: I've mashed apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, as well as apt-get install -f and dpkg --configure -a to no avail, always the same error message. |
| 00:10.12 | abrotman | Chowzzf: as much as i hate to say it .. tried to 'touch' all of those files ? |
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| 00:10.44 | Agiofws | whats the use of notes in text files if you can't use them in a note app ? |
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| 00:11.04 | Agiofws | i'll have to grep them to find something that won;t be usefull |
| 00:11.26 | abrotman | gedit? |
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| 00:11.51 | nkuttler | <3 grep |
| 00:12.28 | nsadmin | grep > 3? |
| 00:12.30 | abrotman | grep is a text editor ? |
| 00:12.55 | Agiofws | i wonder why doesn't google use grep as a search tool :P |
| 00:13.46 | Chowzzf | abrotman: I'm a newbie so I don't know what I'm supposed to do by touching. All the files appears to exist in the right folder, do I just do a recursive touch command on the zope/interface folder? |
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| 00:14.29 | nsadmin | touch on existing files updates the timestamp on the file |
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| 00:15.29 | rypervenche | Is it possible to get mount to auto-complete when I hit tab? It doesn't seem to work for me. |
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| 00:16.38 | abrotman | Chowzzf: you'd touch those files so the packages think they exist, but they're empty |
| 00:16.41 | nsadmin | it's not clear what to autocomplete to |
| 00:17.21 | nsadmin | I guess, yes, it's possible; seems you're going to have to think about what you want mount to do most of the time |
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| 00:18.39 | jiphex | rypervenche: ZSH will autocomplete for mount and all kinds of fun other things |
| 00:18.46 | jiphex | pretty much out of the box |
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| 00:19.48 | Chowzzf | abrotman: So, since they already exist as seen here: http://pastebin.com/t4VgJe1V I should delete them then touch to create them? |
| 00:21.02 | abrotman | Chowzzf: uh .. heck no |
| 00:21.47 | abrotman | Chowzzf: that's weird |
| 00:22.01 | abrotman | Chowzzf: is there a chroot in the mix? |
| 00:24.42 | Chowzzf | abrotman: I don't know how to check, but I'm on a virtual dedicated server. |
| 00:25.03 | abrotman | Chowzzf: a set -x might help with the postinst scirpt |
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| 00:32.42 | Chowzzf | abrotman: Don't think the output changed: http://pastebin.com/B2i8U9rL I just ran set-x then apt-get upgrade |
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| 00:37.18 | Chowzzf | abrotman: Don't know if this is legit, but I just edited /etc/python/debian_config by adding overwrite-local = 1 and that gave a bunch of warnings: http://pastebin.com/0p4gJ7zz but everything now seems to be installed. |
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| 00:39.00 | abrotman | Chowzzf: you get bonus points for making it ugly and still seeming to work :) |
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| 00:39.44 | savid | Is there somewhere on an debian server where it's hostname is stored other than in /etc/hostname? I've installed a service that's apparently trying to use the old hostname, but I changed the hostname before I started the service. The "hostname" command shows the new hostname. |
| 00:39.51 | Chowzzf | abrotman: hell ya, that's my style |
| 00:39.54 | savid | *its |
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| 00:40.30 | abrotman | Chowzzf: maybe change it back .. do an upgrade .. make sure it all seems to want to be okay |
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| 00:42.43 | Chowzzf | abrotman: thanks for the reminder. Looks like everything is happy for now. |
| 00:44.05 | abrotman | Chowzzf: i feel like later .. this will cause the end of the world .. but for now .. party on! |
| 00:44.49 | thewanderer1 | savid, /etc/hosts - reverse lookups for 127.0.0.1 use that |
| 00:45.11 | savid | thewanderer1, the hostname is in /etc/hosts |
| 00:45.34 | abrotman | savid: /etc/hostname and /etc/mailname |
| 00:45.34 | savid | For some reason this service (rabbitmq) is trying to use the old hostname, and I'm not sure how it's finding the old hostname |
| 00:45.41 | Some_Person | How can I mount a cue/img disc image in Linux *without* converting it to an ISO? I need to check if its CD-Audio tracks are OK by playing them |
| 00:45.55 | thewanderer1 | savid, rgrep --color=auto your_old_hostname /etc |
| 00:46.03 | abrotman | savid: that said, some programs will not reliquish the oldname until you reboot |
| 00:46.15 | abrotman | !cue |
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| 00:46.20 | abrotman | !img |
| 00:46.22 | abrotman | bleh |
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| 00:46.35 | savid | thewanderer1, oh joy, my old hostname was "web" :-P |
| 00:46.35 | abrotman | Some_Person: there is a program to do it .. damned if i remember what |
| 00:47.02 | Some_Person | Basically, I burned it with Brasero and essentially wasted a CD-R because the audio tracks are 100% screwed up |
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| 00:47.12 | savid | I'll try rebooting. |
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| 00:49.20 | Some_Person | Anyone know how to do this? |
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| 00:51.33 | savid | abrotman, gah, I rebooted. It's still seeing the old hostname. It doesn't make sense, changing the hostname was the _first_ thing I did when provisioning this server. |
| 00:52.02 | enyc | savid: lots of grepping for the hostname? ;-) |
| 00:52.58 | Chowzzf | abrotman: Well until the end of the world comes I think I'm going to keep building my castles on this swamp land... |
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| 00:53.50 | savid | oh well, screw it. I'll just put the old hostname in and resolve it to lo. |
| 00:54.12 | abrotman | savid: what's in /etc/hostname ? |
| 00:54.33 | savid | abrotman, the new hostname is in /etc/hostname |
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| 00:55.08 | enyc | check entries in /etc/hosts .... |
| 00:55.14 | abrotman | Chowzzf: castles made of sand .. fall into the sea, eventually |
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| 00:55.30 | Benkinooby | !ladp |
| 00:55.31 | abrotman | savid: okay,you'll have to check the config for tha tapp |
| 00:55.34 | Benkinooby | !ldap |
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| 00:56.03 | savid | abrotman, yeah, the old hostname is nowhere in /etc. Something, somwhere, is retaining the old hostname. |
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| 00:56.21 | savid | oh wait, my prompt has the old hostname |
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| 00:57.34 | Benkinooby | from what network size on an ldap system should be considered? |
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| 00:57.40 | abrotman | uh .. what's in /etc/mailname ? |
| 00:57.55 | abrotman | Benkinooby: that's not really the point . it's about central auth |
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| 00:58.22 | jaggz | how do I speed up /dev/random from remote (over ssh)? it's taking too long and my entropy pool is apparently exhausted |
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| 00:59.00 | savid | abrotman, I don't have that file |
| 00:59.11 | abrotman | you do! |
| 00:59.15 | abrotman | or should |
| 00:59.25 | abrotman | even if it's empty |
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| 01:00.17 | savid | abrotman, nope, just /etc/mailcap and /etc/mailcap.order |
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| 01:00.32 | savid | abrotman, why is that required if it's not a mailserver? |
| 01:01.17 | savid | Oh, wait.. "/h" shows the hostname up to the first "." |
| 01:01.26 | savid | which is why I'm thinking ps1 has the old hostname |
| 01:01.31 | savid | so nm |
| 01:01.44 | abrotman | savid: hostname -f ? |
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| 01:02.31 | Some_Person | Well, I found a program to mount it, and the audio tracks are fine |
| 01:02.35 | Some_Person | STUPID BRASERO |
| 01:02.51 | savid | abrotman, hostname -f shows the correct FQDN. |
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| 01:03.27 | abrotman | savid: so some random program is making the wrong name ? |
| 01:03.37 | abrotman | savid: also beware, might be in /var/ |
| 01:03.49 | Benkinooby | abrotman, i see |
| 01:04.16 | abrotman | Benkinooby: if you want, you can do LDAP for two systems, or for two hundred |
| 01:04.28 | themill | Some_Person: umm... you don't mount an audio cd. And you don't make an ISO image of it either |
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| 01:05.37 | Some_Person | themill: I have a game's CD image stored in the cue/img format (which is fine). It is a mixed format disc with the game's data in the first track and standard CD Audio tracks after that which the game uses as background music |
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| 01:06.18 | Some_Person | themill: I had Brasero burn it to a CD-R, and although the first track/data came out fine, the audio tracks are a garbled mess |
| 01:07.17 | Some_Person | I then mounted the cue/img with a program called "gCDEmu", which allowed me to play the audio tracks in Rhythmbox directly from the image and confirmed that Brasero caused the problem |
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| 01:08.06 | Some_Person | Can anyone suggest a better burner that won't waste yet another CD-R? |
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| 01:08.49 | jaggz | With genetic algorithms, how do you free yourself from the limitation of having to be the provider of the mutations? |
| 01:08.53 | helena | Some_Person: K3b |
| 01:09.58 | jaggz | It's one thing to have a set and know the potential variations and work to determine which combinations are effective; it's another to have a problem figured out with some amount of freedom in the solution. |
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| 01:11.23 | Some_Person | helena: oh god, all the stupid kde libs |
| 01:11.58 | Some_Person | but whatever, I'll try it, thanks |
| 01:11.59 | helena | Some_Person: perhaps, but it works |
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| 01:13.26 | mee | How can I find the date that iceweasel (8.0-1) was introduced to wheezy? All I can see from the packages.debian.org page is that it was added to unstable on Nov 08 2011. |
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| 01:14.20 | dax | mee: http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/iceweasel.html : "[2011-11-25] iceweasel 8.0-3 MIGRATED to testing (Britney)" |
| 01:14.45 | dax | (that URL is linked from package info pages on packages.d.o as "Developer Information (PTS)" |
| 01:14.48 | dax | ) |
| 01:14.56 | mee | Ah, I didn't think to click on that. Thanks. |
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| 01:23.00 | psiklops | hi. what package must i install to have autocomplete when pressing <TAB> |
| 01:23.48 | psiklops | in console |
| 01:23.54 | abrotman | bash-complete or so |
| 01:24.09 | abrotman | you didn't say which thing you want to auto-complete |
| 01:25.01 | psiklops | ok, when i $ sudo aptitude install i wish to use <TAB> to autocomplete |
| 01:25.25 | psiklops | on libogg<TAB> for example |
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| 01:26.06 | Agiofws | does anyone feel like testing something out for me ? |
| 01:26.17 | Agiofws | is anyone here running xfce4 ? |
| 01:26.21 | abrotman | you? |
| 01:26.26 | Agiofws | in debian squeeze ? |
| 01:27.23 | psiklops | abrotman: any idea ? |
| 01:27.36 | Agiofws | abrotman, if i Unistall tomboy it unistalls with lots of libmono libs etc ... |
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| 01:28.01 | Agiofws | and after that i can log in to my xfce session with it crashing |
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| 01:28.36 | Agiofws | but if i install it MONO spawns 1000 processes of tomboy on my desktop untill it crashes |
| 01:28.45 | Agiofws | you think its a virus :P |
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| 01:28.54 | Agiofws | maybe its a bug ? |
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| 01:29.52 | abrotman | Agiofws: makes snese if that's the ohnly thing using mono |
| 01:30.14 | abrotman | psiklops: bash-completion or whatever it is .. but you have to make sure all the modules are loaded |
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| 01:30.28 | Agiofws | i'm going to try to run xfce with cleans config files |
| 01:30.59 | psiklops | abrotman: thank you |
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| 01:36.55 | Agiofws | abrotman, you're there ? |
| 01:36.55 | Agiofws | i think i fixed it |
| 01:37.02 | benjamindees | I have a black/white image and I need to calculate the total "area" of the black pixels. I'm looking for a program (or other suggestion) that will help me with this. |
| 01:37.17 | abrotman | Agiofws: not all here .. so i'm told |
| 01:37.38 | Agiofws | i... |
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| 01:38.13 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 01:38.25 | themill | benjamindees: that's a few lines of perl with perlmagick if you want |
| 01:38.31 | abrotman | benjamindees: 100% one bit black/white ? |
| 01:38.52 | benjamindees | yes monochrome I should have said |
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| 01:39.41 | Agiofws | i loaded my problematic version of my xsession that was spawning 1000 processes of tomboy ( i did that so i could load my panel options) then i and erased the xfce4 config file and logged out with save session enabled ... and now my DE works ... :) |
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| 01:40.57 | benjamindees | themill, thanks I'll look into it |
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| 01:42.50 | themill | benjamindees: from the archive... http://www.nanonanonano.net/tmp/areacalc.pl no idea if it still works with somewhat newer perlmagick |
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| 01:43.33 | themill | (also, note that it's doing various thresholding things too; if you want point+drool, look at imagej) |
| 01:43.38 | themill | ,info imagej |
| 01:43.39 | judd | Package imagej (science, optional) in squeeze/i386: Image processing program inspired by NIH Image for the Macintosh. Version: 1.44c-3; Size: 1529.6k; Installed: 1800k; Homepage: http://rsb.info.nih.gov/ij/ |
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| 01:56.02 | jaggz | themill, how can I add entropy to the /dev/random entropy pool over ssh? |
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| 02:02.26 | basso | why debian testing no has wine!? :( |
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| 02:04.40 | spersaud | how can you set a processes priority to real time ? |
| 02:04.46 | spersaud | ie .. python script |
| 02:04.53 | spersaud | os.nice ?? is 19 the highest increment ? |
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| 02:05.48 | e2b04836 | -20 is the highest in terms of priority |
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| 02:08.54 | spersaud | e2b04836: ok, .. but I dont think it will help much ... loading stuff into ds .. python dict, large ... over 10gb |
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| 02:09.15 | spersaud | i have a phenom x2 I believe ... at the mercy of the memory controllers |
| 02:10.18 | mstrcnvs | I'm currently having problems with my microphone, I cannot use it's captures, they're all got muted automatically by the mixer. I've read about it and some told to recompile the alsa-source with module-assistant, but I'm getting problems to build the module too, my debian is squeeze, kernel 2.6.39 (from bpo), thanks in advance. |
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| 02:22.27 | rypervenche | !why isn't wine in testing |
| 02:22.28 | dpkg | wine is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=wine |
| 02:22.30 | rypervenche | basso: ^ |
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| 02:28.08 | demonax | I would to like to get aptitude to recognize packages that I have transported into the computer drive versus trying to obtain over the Internet as this PC does not a connection yet. |
| 02:28.21 | demonax | I am installing NDISutilities, Linux headers, dkmswrapper, etc. on a Pentium 4 PC with only a wireless (non working) connection and with a Lyncsys (proprietery) wireless PCI card. |
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| 02:32.34 | civillian | demonax: use dpkg -i [package.deb] |
| 02:33.00 | rypervenche | demonax: You can even do them all at once with "sudo dpkg -i *.deb" in that folder. |
| 02:33.46 | demonax | civillian, rypervenche: thank you kindly! |
| 02:34.33 | civillian | demonax: you're welcome :) |
| 02:37.58 | hikenboot1 | if i get an error that says errors were encountered processing zfs_0.6.0-1_amd64.deb but it doesnt seem like it failed to install what should i do is there an error log that might shed some light on the failure? |
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| 02:38.52 | e2b04836 | /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 02:39.40 | hikenboot1 | e2b04836: it says half-configured for certain pkgs whats that mean |
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| 02:50.04 | symptom | hello I am trying to downgrade my xserver-xorg-core to squeeze-backports |
| 02:51.20 | symptom | not sure how to do it. I am suffering from BUG: 649346 and I need to set dependencies to xserver-xorg-core (<< 2:1.10.99) and |
| 02:51.20 | symptom | removing xorg-video-abi-11 deps with downgrading xserver packages to |
| 02:51.20 | symptom | squeeze-backports version 2:1.10.4-1~bpo60+1 fglrx-driver 11-11-3 |
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| 03:25.31 | somiaj | symptom: why would you need to downgrade to the squeeze-backports version? |
| 03:26.04 | symptom | to work around bug |
| 03:26.04 | symptom | <symptom> Hello I am looking to apply the workaround for |
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| 03:26.30 | symptom | ugh sorry.... bug # Bug #649346 fglrx-driver: using xv extension crashes Xorg |
| 03:26.31 | somiaj | symptom: I mean what version of debian are you running where the version in squeeze-backports is a downgrade? |
| 03:26.36 | symptom | testing |
| 03:26.40 | symptom | wheezy actually |
| 03:26.46 | somiaj | then go to snapshots.debian.org and grab a testing version |
| 03:26.54 | somiaj | go back to before the abi change |
| 03:27.27 | somiaj | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is the actual link. |
| 03:27.29 | symptom | humm |
| 03:28.14 | symptom | is that the whole system? |
| 03:28.29 | symptom | I dont need to downgrade the whole system just the one package and its dependencies |
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| 03:29.02 | somiaj | that contains a copy of every version released for a paticular package, you can search for a version you want. then use dpkg -i to install them. This isn't an easy processes, but you are running testing afterall. |
| 03:29.46 | symptom | I have the package |
| 03:29.55 | symptom | but dpkg -i fails with unmet dependencies |
| 03:30.01 | somiaj | symptom: I know that, I pointed you to a database to go get the package version you want. There is no tool to do this automatically |
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| 03:31.09 | somiaj | if you have the version from squeeze-backports you don't really have the right version. You will have to manually go and track down the package and its dependencies and grab the ones snapshot.debian.org as thei will more closely be compiled against your libary versions in wheezy |
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| 03:32.23 | symptom | ok So I have to track down the dependencies for the offending package and rebuild the tree manually? |
| 03:32.47 | symptom | From the bug report: "Confirm, after set dependencies to xserver-xorg-core (<< 2:1.10.99) and removing xorg-video-abi-11 deps with downgrading xserver packages to squeeze-backports version 2:1.10.4-1~bpo60+1 fglrx-driver 11-11-3 works fine." |
| 03:32.57 | somiaj | symptom: what do you mean by rebuild the tree, just use dpkg -i to install them, once you fix all your dependencies issues apt will upgrade when they fix the bug for you. |
| 03:33.04 | somiaj | symptom: well if you tell it upgrade |
| 03:33.36 | symptom | ok so I could set the dependencies add the backports repo and apt-get update/upgrade |
| 03:33.38 | symptom | ? |
| 03:34.08 | symptom | or rather apt-get update; apt-get upgrade xserver-xorg-core? |
| 03:34.13 | somiaj | well you can do this same thing with the squeeze-backports version. I still think its not the proper way as the libs in squeeze have drifted a ways from wheezy so I'd prefer a package built against a closer snapshot of the whezzy depends. |
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| 03:34.57 | symptom | This is only temporary, once hte bug is fixed i can remove the backports repo, reset the dependencies and update/upgrade |
| 03:35.32 | symptom | I just need to know how to set the dependencies. |
| 03:35.32 | somiaj | my suggestion is to not have that repo in your sources, and just download the few packages you need and install them. |
| 03:35.39 | symptom | ok |
| 03:35.42 | somiaj | read what they are, go download them |
| 03:35.52 | symptom | but then that means replacing the current ones right? |
| 03:36.04 | somiaj | yes |
| 03:37.31 | symptom | somiaj, ok, is there a dpkg flag that will tell me what the dependencies are? |
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| 03:38.44 | somiaj | for something like that I just read the out put when I try to install a package and track down the things it complains about |
| 03:38.52 | somiaj | if you use packages.debian.org you can search thought hem fairly easily |
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| 03:39.46 | somiaj | I'm sure dpkg can extract that info, I just don't nkow how look though the man page |
| 03:41.07 | symptom | theres got to be a way to easily set the dependencies |
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| 03:42.02 | symptom | ok |
| 03:42.07 | symptom | there was only one dep |
| 03:42.25 | symptom | that was unsatisified atleast.... Im going to try restarting gdm3 thanks for the help |
| 03:42.27 | symptom | be back soon |
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| 03:42.36 | s4a | Both my webcams work in cheese. One of them worked in google talk with pidgin. The other just sends garbled stuff to my friend. What's going on and how do I fix this? I'm using Debian Testing/Gnome 3 |
| 03:43.21 | bambanx | guys how can write the short form of a path /home/myuser/ is with ~ ? |
| 03:43.38 | s4a | bambanx, ~/ |
| 03:43.43 | bambanx | ty |
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| 03:43.48 | s4a | bambanx, np |
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| 03:44.37 | simonlnu | s4a: #debian-next, at irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
| 03:45.28 | jhutchins_lt | Another user finds the power of the console. |
| 03:45.46 | abrotman | or $HOME |
| 03:46.02 | bambanx | how i can copy the current line on the terminal? |
| 03:46.13 | s4a | simonlnu, i forgot. thanks |
| 03:46.49 | s3a | it says i cannot join and that the channel is invite only |
| 03:46.52 | s3a | simonlnu, |
| 03:47.15 | abrotman | s3a: oftc |
| 03:47.44 | s3a | o ya |
| 03:47.47 | s3a | lol |
| 03:47.52 | s3a | abrotman, thank you too |
| 03:48.23 | karlpinc | bambanx: Depends on how your editor (IIRC) is set. With the stock emacs bindings it's ctrl-a, then ctrl-k. Then ctrl-y to yank. Take the emacs tuitorial (after installing the emacs doc non-free package emacs23-common-non-dfsg.) |
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| 03:49.14 | jhutchins_ltf | s3a: Really. If you can't figure that out, should you be running anything but stable? |
| 03:49.17 | bambanx | thx, karlpinc i mean terminal of debian Terminal de GNOME 2.30.2 |
| 03:49.35 | jhutchins_ltf | abrotman: Are you really helping someone? |
| 03:49.51 | karlpinc | bambanx: (Or if you're using X, hilight to select and middle mouse to paste. But you'll be well served to learn whatever editor you choose emacs or vi.) |
| 03:50.11 | karlpinc | bambanx: It's a lot faster to use the keboard than the mouse. |
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| 03:50.43 | karlpinc | bambanx: ctrl-x means hold down the ctrl key and then press the x key (or whatever instead of x). |
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| 03:51.10 | pksadiq | bambanx: did you try ctrl+shift+c selecting using mouse? |
| 03:51.34 | bambanx | i mean without using mouse |
| 03:51.39 | jhutchins_ltf | presses ctrl-x and nothing happens. |
| 03:51.42 | bambanx | only with keyboard |
| 03:52.17 | karlpinc | jhutchins_ltf: Press ctrl-g to do nothing more effectivly. :) |
| 03:52.22 | pksadiq | bambanx: then do as karlpinc said, do ctrl+A , then ctrl |
| 03:52.30 | pksadiq | bambanx: then do as karlpinc said, do ctrl+A , then ctrl k and then ctrl y to paste |
| 03:52.37 | jhutchins_ltf | Windows, Icons, Pointers, Mice |
| 03:52.51 | jhutchins_ltf | er, mice pointers. |
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| 03:53.11 | jhutchins_ltf | is obviously past sell-by date, g'nite. |
| 03:54.02 | simonlnu | g'night |
| 03:54.44 | abrotman | jhutchins_ltf: i did, yes |
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| 03:57.07 | karlpinc | jardiamj: The tab key is your friend. |
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| 03:59.33 | itsnotabigtruck | hey, anyone around at this hour? i'm trying to import a PKCS#12 file into GPGSM (GNUPG S/MIME) |
| 04:00.03 | jardiamj | #debian-gnome seems to be almost dead... I feel like getting ride of Gnome3 and get Openbox instead |
| 04:00.06 | itsnotabigtruck | however, it seems that the private key isn't imported at all, despite gpgsm --import saying that it is |
| 04:00.22 | Some_Person | itsnotabigtruck: This is the Internet. There's always going to be someone somewhere online. |
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| 04:00.46 | itsnotabigtruck | Some_Person: heh, touche |
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| 04:01.31 | itsnotabigtruck | (this is gpgsm 2.0.17 on ubuntu 11.10 [don't kill me :p]) |
| 04:02.08 | Some_Person | itsnotabigtruck: You would probably have better luck in #ubuntu |
| 04:02.16 | itsnotabigtruck | Some_Person: nope |
| 04:02.18 | kellstar001 | hello |
| 04:03.00 | itsnotabigtruck | Some_Person: tried mentioning it every so often but it seems like problems i find difficult enough to ask about on IRC, are problems no one else finds easy enough to be a low-hanging fruit |
| 04:03.14 | itsnotabigtruck | also the gpg channel isn't very active |
| 04:04.17 | dax | !ubuntu |
| 04:04.18 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 04:04.39 | k-man | where can I read up on the syntax of .forward files? |
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| 04:04.47 | dax | (we won't kill you, we just won't help you ;) |
| 04:05.16 | itsnotabigtruck | dax: lecturing people about that doesn't fix anything |
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| 04:05.36 | jmarsden | itsnotabigtruck: You might find #ubuntu-server has people who could help with gpgsm under Ubuntu... it's not exactly a common desktop app :) |
| 04:05.37 | dax | itsnotabigtruck: I'm not lecturing, I'm pointing out why you're not going to get help here :) |
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| 04:05.51 | aidan | To ssh into "foo" I need to tunnel through "bar". Can I do that transparently, e.g. so that none of my apps (which don't support tunneling) know? |
| 04:06.37 | k-man | aidan, i've not done it myself, but I believe its called multi hop |
| 04:07.05 | k-man | http://sshmenu.sourceforge.net/articles/transparent-mulithop.html |
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| 04:07.40 | Zeranoe | Hello, does anyone know how to copy/paste in xterm on a laptop without a middle click button? I read the man page and it only said the middle click way |
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| 04:08.27 | jmarsden | Zeranoe: Depends how you configure your mouse/buttons, I think... try clicking both left and right buttons at exactly the same time? |
| 04:09.21 | jmarsden | ZeroHour_: failing that, you can try using Shift-Insert to paste |
| 04:09.33 | jmarsden | oops, Zeranoe I meant. |
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| 04:10.32 | Zeranoe | jmarsden: Thanks, that seem to work, it isnt easy but it works. shift+ins works as well, is there a way to only copy and not repaste right away? clicking both buttons repastes |
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| 04:11.13 | jmarsden | Zeranoe: Just highlighting a chunk of text should "copy", I think. |
| 04:14.33 | Zeranoe | jmarsden: Excellent, thanks for the help |
| 04:14.45 | jmarsden | Zeranoe: You're welcome. |
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| 04:16.39 | nvz | well highlighting and actually doing a ctrl+c or something is two different things |
| 04:17.14 | nvz | you can actually highlight one thing and right click and copy or ctrl+c then highlight another and paste both using either right click or ctrl + v |
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| 04:19.13 | s3a | Could someone try to video chat with me? Please. |
| 04:20.02 | hikenboot1 | well I managed to get ZFS working on Debian...reinstalling system from scratch where I will put back KVM proxmox, raid-10z,iscsi-target and make a wiki on how i did it...it was not an easy thing to do but i expect to be surprised with excellent performance |
| 04:20.16 | aidan | k-man: thanks! |
| 04:21.01 | hikenboot1 | a lot better than the ZFS-fuse performance by far |
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| 04:21.50 | jmspeex | Not sure what changed exactly, but I recently updated testing and now my laptop refuses to go above 800 MHz when on battery. Any idea why? |
| 04:21.55 | nvz | s3a: I could try but it would fail |
| 04:22.04 | s3a | nvz, i'm desperate |
| 04:22.15 | s3a | i'll pm u my email? |
| 04:22.40 | nvz | s3a: heh. pm me eh? do you have any idea where you are right now? cause thats an important thing to do.. remember where you are |
| 04:22.49 | dewcow | anyone know where the actual MAKE script, or config file is located? |
| 04:23.08 | nvz | the webcam that came in this lcd screen is sitting in a bag in the other room.. I removed it.. heh |
| 04:23.55 | nvz | dewcow: for what? |
| 04:24.18 | pixolet | nvz: wow, I just settle with a piece of electrical tape |
| 04:24.19 | dewcow | a package i'm compiling wants to use the gcc when i run make |
| 04:24.24 | s3a | nvz, i'm in a place where random people can spam me? that's why i'm choosing to pm |
| 04:24.34 | dewcow | but i need to direct it to a different lib source than the gcc |
| 04:24.40 | jardiamj | s3a, i can try to video chat with you.. |
| 04:24.50 | nvz | pixolet: oh the electrical tape is still on it.. even though its not there.. |
| 04:24.57 | nvz | heh |
| 04:25.39 | s3a | ok so nvz or jardiamj ? |
| 04:25.41 | nvz | s3a: you're in a debian support channel on a PDPC server called freenode |
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| 04:26.03 | s3a | nvz, people from a math channel draw dicks on my pleas for help |
| 04:26.15 | pixolet | nvz: of course. wouldn't want dust getting in it. |
| 04:26.25 | jmspeex | If I do a cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq |
| 04:26.32 | nsadmin | there's a meth channle here?! |
| 04:26.36 | nvz | pixolet: or the man to install another one when you're not lookin.. heh |
| 04:26.45 | jmspeex | All I see is 8 cores at 800000 even if I'm running a CPU-intensive task |
| 04:27.17 | s3a | ok i choose jardiamj since you sounded more certain |
| 04:27.41 | jardiamj | s3a, ok so where? skype? |
| 04:27.46 | nvz | nsadmin: I think this is the meth channel |
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| 04:27.58 | nvz | nsadmin: would explain this quite well |
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| 04:28.26 | nsadmin | this is thge meth channel? oh, ok... good point |
| 04:28.46 | dewcow | nvz: any idea where the config file is for make? if there is one. |
| 04:29.08 | nvz | dewcow: what are you trying to do? |
| 04:29.39 | dewcow | nvz: trying to redirect make from using gcc to using a different lib |
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| 04:30.01 | dewcow | nvz: because i can't get gcc on the system |
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| 04:30.18 | nvz | heh |
| 04:30.27 | Some_Person | Are there *any* programs that can properly burn a img/bin (I think it's called clonecd format) disc image? |
| 04:30.28 | nvz | riiiight |
| 04:30.41 | Some_Person | K3b and Brasero both fail to burn audio tracks on them correctly |
| 04:30.51 | nvz | Some_Person: you can convert that to standard ISO |
| 04:31.01 | Some_Person | nvz: Not without losing the audio tracks |
| 04:31.08 | Some_Person | nvz: ISO only supports one track |
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| 04:31.54 | nvz | Some_Person: hmm idk, never done it. |
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| 04:49.36 | s3a | anybody know what i can test? my webcaming using google talk doesn't work with chromium plugin, empathy, pidgin (2 webcams and both work in cheese - i'm using gnome 3) |
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| 04:57.40 | s3a | Some_Person, MagicISO? |
| 04:57.48 | s3a | not 100% sure tho |
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| 04:58.32 | Some_Person | s3a: Not a Linux program |
| 04:59.49 | bitcycle | Hey all. I'm setting up my debian-based vps, and was wondering if someone here would recommend a wiki platform that is widely used, free, and fully featured? I've used confluence before, so it would be cool to find something similar (without the pricetag). |
| 05:00.08 | trist4n | i installed mediawiki the other day |
| 05:00.21 | trist4n | not that i have a stunningly active site, but it seems pretty okay mostly ~~ |
| 05:00.27 | s3a | Some_Person, you could run it in wine and use it to convert to iso |
| 05:00.27 | bitcycle | trist4n: How's the feature set working out for your users? |
| 05:00.33 | s3a | and then deal with the iso using linux |
| 05:00.44 | s3a | u can try acetoneiso but that doesn't deal with copy protection |
| 05:00.50 | s3a | and it's open source/linux |
| 05:00.52 | Some_Person | s3a: ISO wouldn't work because it only supports one track |
| 05:01.05 | s3a | acetoneiso supports more than just iso i think |
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| 05:01.09 | trist4n | well there is nothing missing, that i can see, but again i am not running a massive operation |
| 05:01.13 | trist4n | more richarding around. |
| 05:01.17 | Some_Person | s3a: This is a multi-track disc image |
| 05:03.00 | crosswalk | Does anyone know if there's a setting or plugin for Iceweasel that can provide access keys? |
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| 05:19.30 | flamingspinach | man, slock is totally fucked up |
| 05:20.04 | flamingspinach | I doubt I can figure out why though |
| 05:20.37 | flamingspinach | now it's just sitting there turning the screen on and off as fast as it can |
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| 05:22.42 | josh9 | i just deleted a few text files. is there a way to restore them? |
| 05:23.00 | josh9 | i looked at my vim swap folder but they are not there ): |
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| 05:33.15 | gabrielcz | Hello there... |
| 05:34.04 | gabrielcz | Anyone can help me with reverse http_proxy on apache to redirect traffic from one apache to other on the dmz ? |
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| 05:50.20 | jsnikeris | I'm trying to run a remotely program that needs to have access to the X display. Usually, one sets DISPLAY=:0 prior to running the program. So no one has logged into this machine using GDM yet; however GDM is up and running. I'd expect I'd be able to access the DISPLAY even though no one has logged in using GDM. |
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| 05:50.39 | KSHawkEye | Could anyone tell me what package the man for gcc is in? |
| 05:51.21 | jsnikeris | However, 'who -a' doesn't list a ':0' anywhere |
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| 05:51.54 | jsnikeris | glxinfo reports that it is unable to open the display |
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| 05:52.47 | dax | KSHawkEye: gcc-doc in contrib |
| 05:53.25 | dax | (which depends on the relevant non-free package) |
| 05:53.54 | jsnikeris | so basically, even though X is running. for all intents and purposes it seems like it's not |
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| 05:54.26 | jsnikeris | it's like until someone logs in using GDM, X is non-functioning |
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| 06:00.48 | dotcom | can anyone help me.howto install ikiwiki on my debian squeeze |
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| 06:14.11 | syslq | dotcom: apt-get install ikiwiki |
| 06:14.34 | syslq | dotcom: you'll have to press enter few times if you don't pipe yes to it :) |
| 06:18.08 | simonlnu | jsnikeris: probably needs the mit cookie, authority, etc. |
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| 06:35.03 | __dan__ | is hoping someone can clarify a little dilemma he is having |
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| 06:35.13 | __dan__ | ubuntu one client on debian wheezy |
| 06:35.41 | __dan__ | is interested in moving from ubuntu to debian wheezy with kde |
| 06:36.06 | __dan__ | but I use ubuntu one and deja dup to do backups |
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| 06:48.55 | __dan__ | anyone alive here at all? |
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| 06:49.35 | jardiamj | is not dead yet |
| 06:50.08 | __dan__ | hehe thought it would be a bit more lively in here given the number of users |
| 06:50.22 | jardiamj | it's very alive from time to time.. |
| 06:50.29 | nevyn | it's not like it's the official debian channel. |
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| 06:50.51 | __dan__ | is there somewhere else i can ask questions? |
| 06:51.04 | __dan__ | im not a lunix noob but have never run debian as a desktop |
| 06:51.23 | __dan__ | this will be the 1st debian install that has a gui haha |
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| 06:51.30 | jardiamj | #debian at irc.oftc.org |
| 06:52.01 | __dan__ | connects |
| 06:52.04 | __dan__ | thx jardiamj |
| 06:52.31 | jardiamj | __dan__, np |
| 06:52.45 | __dan__ | is this chan more for devs then or sommet? |
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| 06:54.02 | CybDev | no just for those too lazy to connect to the other net i suppose :P |
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| 06:54.09 | jardiamj | no, but afaik this is not the official channel... the one at oftc is.. |
| 06:54.10 | CybDev | there is a debian chan on pretty much every chatnet :P |
| 06:54.29 | __dan__ | hehe no doubt :) |
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| 06:55.07 | jardiamj | I usually connect to this one and the one on OFTC |
| 06:55.32 | ruslan_osmanov | hi. not just debian question. nevertheless, is there a way to easily create chat room for google talk? I'm using empathy |
| 06:58.12 | ruslan_osmanov | i've got it. room - join, and had to select a chat room server |
| 06:58.29 | jsnikeris | Can anyone explain this? I'm having trouble accessing my display: http://pastebin.com/3AMfRdik |
| 06:59.18 | hullo | going down for a reboot wish me luck |
| 06:59.46 | ZekeS | nnn |
| 06:59.49 | ZekeS | err |
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| 08:08.34 | qiyong | w and who displays hostname as IP, how to let it display hostname? |
| 08:08.42 | qiyong | dns works well though |
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| 08:50.47 | laim | Trying to initialise my wifi I get the error "firmware file rt2850.bin request failed". |
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| 08:51.10 | laim | Presumably this means that file is missing. Where do I get it from? and where should I put it? |
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| 08:59.09 | streuner | laim: its in the realtek firmware package |
| 09:00.13 | streuner | judd, versions firmware-realtek |
| 09:00.15 | judd | Package: firmware-realtek on i386 -- lenny-backports/non-free: 0.27~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.32~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 0.34; wheezy/non-free: 0.34 |
| 09:00.53 | streuner | judd, just download it from packages.debian.org/firmware-realtek and just install it |
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| 09:01.57 | laim | I do indeed have that package installed. |
| 09:02.23 | laim | I don't see rt2860.bin in the file manifest. |
| 09:02.58 | streuner | laim: sorry, its not there |
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| 09:03.20 | streuner | laim: you have to google then and download it maybe from realtek itself |
| 09:03.45 | sweb | can i reinstall my server operation system and repartitioning by my own ? any way ? |
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| 09:04.42 | streuner | laim: http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/pipermail/users_rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/2010-October/002263.html |
| 09:05.48 | streuner | laim: it seems to me that serialmonkey makes the firmware |
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| 09:06.14 | laim | I'll look at it. Thanks. |
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| 09:07.26 | streuner | laim: firmware-ralink |
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| 09:07.51 | streuner | laim: thats the right package :-) |
| 09:08.03 | streuner | judd, versions firmware-ralink |
| 09:08.04 | judd | Package: firmware-ralink on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 0.14+lenny2; lenny-backports/non-free: 0.27~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.32~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 0.34; wheezy/non-free: 0.34 |
| 09:08.21 | streuner | laim: packages.debian.org/firmware-ralink :-) |
| 09:08.47 | laim | Thanks |
| 09:08.57 | streuner | no problem |
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| 09:10.34 | streuner | dpkg, rt2860sta |
| 09:10.34 | dpkg | rt2860sta is the vendor driver for Ralink 802.11n PCI (RT2760, RT2790, RT2860, RT2890, RT3090, RT3091, RT3092) wireless LAN devices, included as a staging driver (amd64, i386 only) in Debian 2.6.32 kernel images. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/rt2860sta . Disabled in Debian kernel images post-Squeeze and removed at Linux 3.0, ask me about <rt2800pci>. |
| 09:11.26 | streuner | laim: ^^^ |
| 09:12.10 | rjcks | has anyone switched from ubuntu to debian without re-installing? |
| 09:13.44 | streuner | not yet, but how about to backup /home and just re-install? |
| 09:14.00 | sep | rjcks, i'd call it a reinstall even if it is a chroot install without physical access |
| 09:14.39 | sweb | any idean for this ? |
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| 09:16.28 | rjcks | a clean install would be easier, I'm sure, but just editing /etc/sources.list might be more fun ... |
| 09:16.56 | rjcks | ... if it's at all possible |
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| 09:18.31 | streuner | the basic packages in *bunt* are different vs. Debian, IIRC. It should be easier to just reinstall, IMO |
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| 09:18.44 | streuner | though, never tried that... |
| 09:19.15 | streuner | maybe *MORE* fun, but lots of headaches |
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| 09:22.19 | rjcks | OK, I'll go the $FUN way, but re-install if the headaches get too intense. But next week, when there should be a few clear days. |
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| 09:24.30 | sep | Corey, middle of |
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| 09:59.52 | laim | streuner, firmware-ralink is only available as a backport. and that doesn't seem to work. |
| 10:00.02 | jnewt | got an issue with my system after swapping out a 1tb disk for a new 2tb one. when it starts up, it says HardWare Initiate failed, Please Check Device!!! The Bios does not be installed. Press <g> to continue! not sure what i should do |
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| 10:01.17 | streuner | dpkg, rt2860sta |
| 10:01.18 | dpkg | rt2860sta is the vendor driver for Ralink 802.11n PCI (RT2760, RT2790, RT2860, RT2890, RT3090, RT3091, RT3092) wireless LAN devices, included as a staging driver (amd64, i386 only) in Debian 2.6.32 kernel images. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/rt2860sta . Disabled in Debian kernel images post-Squeeze and removed at Linux 3.0, ask me about <rt2800pci>. |
| 10:01.35 | streuner | laim: what doesnt work? |
| 10:02.14 | laim | It can't connect, and syslog shows bizarre messages. |
| 10:02.14 | streuner | laim: we are talking about a stable Debian Installer, arent we? |
| 10:02.24 | laim | 6.0 |
| 10:02.29 | laim | squeeze |
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| 10:02.57 | streuner | laim: well, d-i doesnt support WPA |
| 10:03.23 | laim | I stand corrected 6.0.3 |
| 10:03.24 | streuner | laim: but anyway, is the basic system installed? |
| 10:03.29 | Rapeseed | Mitt Romney has what it takes from his private sector experience to fix American healthcare! Our next president must repeal Obamacare and replace it with market-based reforms that empower states and individuals and reduce health care costs. States and private markets, not the federal government, hold the key to improving our health care system. Vote Mitt Romney for President 2012! http://www.mittromney.com |
| 10:03.43 | laim | streuner, Very basic system yes. |
| 10:04.06 | streuner | laim: look at the dmesg log, is the device metioned? |
| 10:04.23 | streuner | laim: iwconfig and ifconfig should show the device |
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| 10:04.31 | laim | It is mentioned yes. |
| 10:04.49 | streuner | laim, ok, so its only a config issue then |
| 10:04.52 | jnewt | Romney's a douchebag, and this isn't the place Rapeseed |
| 10:05.16 | laim | I'm not so sure. I think it's the driver misbehaving. |
| 10:05.44 | streuner | laim, just read this http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 10:06.22 | Rapeseed | You must be a Gingrich supporter Newt. |
| 10:06.47 | jnewt | heh, no |
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| 10:06.57 | laim | That page doesn't seem to go beyond the basics |
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| 10:08.49 | streuner | laim: if you get a working device reported from the kernel, i would say it should work |
| 10:09.32 | streuner | laim: i would just configure the WLAN now, if it doesnt work then, it could be also a nasty bug, sure. |
| 10:10.00 | streuner | laim: but, you have to configure it anyway |
| 10:10.09 | laim | obviously. |
| 10:10.48 | laim | The other wierd thing is my AP thinks that the MAC address is invalid. |
| 10:12.07 | streuner | sure, it gets no data at all, the route thingie doesnt work without configuration... |
| 10:12.24 | laim | It also doesn't work with configuration... |
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| 10:12.36 | streuner | laim: what method did you use? |
| 10:12.42 | laim | auto dhcp |
| 10:12.52 | streuner | interfaces? |
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| 10:14.02 | streuner | Do you get any output via "iwlist scan"? |
| 10:14.31 | laim | Yes. The interface is there. However some values are wierd and clearly wrong. |
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| 10:15.54 | laim | streuner, Sorry. iwlist seems ok. ifconfig looks wrong. |
| 10:15.58 | streuner | laim: read http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line and edit /etc/network/interfaces for your needs |
| 10:16.11 | laim | Yes. I have read that many times. |
| 10:16.33 | streuner | laim: show us your interfaces file in a pastebin |
| 10:16.55 | laim | I can't paste when I don't have a network connection. |
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| 10:17.21 | streuner | but you are online, arent you? :-) |
| 10:17.30 | laim | from a different machine. |
| 10:17.47 | streuner | without details, we arent able to help |
| 10:17.53 | laim | but the file is exactly as in the example. |
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| 10:18.09 | laim | with the essid and mode fields set accordingly of course. |
| 10:18.13 | streuner | laim: of the interfaces examples? |
| 10:18.18 | laim | yes. |
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| 10:19.50 | streuner | laim: is every other daemon disabled, like network-manager? |
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| 10:20.30 | laim | well obviously I have a syslog daemon. |
| 10:20.39 | laim | a cron daemon. |
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| 10:20.59 | streuner | laim: nah, just run /etc/init.d/network-manager stop |
| 10:21.26 | streuner | laim: also run "ifdown -a" |
| 10:21.44 | streuner | laim, try "ifup wlan0" or similar then |
| 10:21.55 | laim | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:22.05 | KotCzarny | hi, i have an exact error as this one: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1376294 (Error: DBus error |
| 10:22.05 | KotCzarny | org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name |
| 10:22.07 | KotCzarny | org.gTk.vfs.Daemon was not provided by any .service files) |
| 10:22.29 | streuner | laim, ls -l /etc/init.d/network* - it should mention there |
| 10:23.13 | streuner | laim: well, you dont have network-manger installed :-) |
| 10:23.22 | KotCzarny | network-manager is evil |
| 10:23.24 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:23.36 | laim | Quite probably. I'm starting off simple. |
| 10:23.50 | KotCzarny | i disable it and just configure /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:24.22 | KotCzarny | so, anyone can halp me with dbus? |
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| 10:25.51 | laim | KotCzarny, That seems like a sensible idea unless you have >10 interfaces which are dynamically assigned. |
| 10:26.15 | KotCzarny | laim, in which case putting auto eth* line helps too |
| 10:26.21 | KotCzarny | (assuming working dhcp) |
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| 10:29.18 | converge | hi, what do you use for backup server management ? |
| 10:29.32 | KotCzarny | bacula |
| 10:30.41 | streuner | backuppc |
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| 10:31.23 | converge | KotCzarny, streuner, thanks, ill take a look |
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| 10:34.10 | converge | KotCzarny, streuner, do you know backup ninja? |
| 10:34.33 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 10:35.13 | laim | The first wierd syslog message is RTMPSetPhysMode: channel is out of range, use first channel=1 |
| 10:35.34 | laim | So I did what it said and changed to channel 1, but that didn't seem to help. |
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| 10:35.42 | simonlnu | apt-cache show backupninja; it's an utility package to add certain functionality to other backup tools |
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| 10:38.45 | streuner | laim: http://wiki.debian.org/rt2860sta#issues |
| 10:40.05 | jnewt | love linux, wanna hit it with a hammer sometimes |
| 10:40.53 | streuner | sure, but every OS is buggy and you *HAVE* to learn, anytime, IMO :-) |
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| 10:53.14 | laim | streuner, The real problem with GNU/Linux is not that it's buggy, but that so many harware vendors refuse to cooperate with the developers. |
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| 10:54.39 | nevyn | it's also buggy |
| 10:54.49 | nevyn | and it sucks |
| 10:55.09 | nevyn | http://catb.org/jargon/html/A/All-hardware-sucks--all-software-sucks-.html |
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| 10:57.51 | streuner | ok |
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| 11:07.14 | sephii | yeah, life is so hard |
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| 11:25.36 | bluesky | Hi Guys: I am remotely helping a friend through phone, who is unable to login as he chose Assistitive Technologies at GDM login |
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| 11:27.35 | |ntz| | hello |
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| 11:29.29 | |ntz| | i have broken palettes here .. what's the two-colours version of TERM=xterm (alias `xterm-color') ? for the lack of imagery i use TERM=vt100 now which works but has another limits |
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| 11:31.23 | laim | Is there a way to force a wlan interface to associate with a particular ap? |
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| 11:40.30 | jnewt | just stuck a new hdd in (replaced 1tb with 2tb), but it's not showing in fdisk -l not sure what to do. |
| 11:40.53 | lstarnes | jnewt: does it show with blkid? |
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| 11:41.50 | jnewt | lstarnes, don't know blkid, std query? |
| 11:42.09 | jnewt | blkid -l maybe |
| 11:42.18 | lstarnes | just blkid |
| 11:45.06 | jnewt | fdisk shows sda, sdb, sdc, blkid shows sda1, sdb1, sda2, sdc1, md2, sdb6, sdd1 |
| 11:45.16 | jnewt | i'm guessing it's d |
| 11:46.00 | jnewt | fyi there's no raid, don't know why that md is still on there, or why sdb6 shows up as type mdraid |
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| 11:51.39 | crosswalk | Any idea why I would want to configure run level 4 to do anything? |
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| 11:53.17 | crosswalk | Book I'm reading states that I can configure unused run levels. I'm not entirely sure what that means, and this book likes to talk about things as if it's covered them in detail. |
| 11:54.49 | crosswalk | I also like commas. |
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| 12:06.28 | dinar_ | hello . i have installed darkice and look its etc /init.d file and see it runs as nobody nogroup. i heard it is not secure, now i have searched about why it insecure and see in google that because many prorgams can run with that same privilegies, but seems only darkice uses it in my system if i search with grep nobody /etc/init.d/* . how is better way to create new user for it. ( and btw i see ircd usr in passwd file . it is preinstalled for case ircd wil |
| 12:06.29 | dinar_ | l be installed? ) |
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| 12:27.51 | endomafrendo | hi there, I have the following problem using Squeeze 6.03 64 bit: a couple of days ago the system asked to be updated and I clicked on Yes. Then it asked to perform a "Safe update", which then gave 3 error messages one after the other concerning it's inability to update acpid, cups, and x11-common. Then I tried to update/upgrade from the console using apt-get upgrade, as well as some other commands to no av |
| 12:27.51 | endomafrendo | ail. could You please help me? |
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| 12:30.11 | |ntz| | endomafrendo: pastebin some error mesages |
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| 12:30.16 | endomafrendo | sec |
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| 12:31.13 | _ramo | hi |
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| 12:31.28 | _ramo | is there a way to install python-vm-builder on debian squeeze? |
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| 12:32.28 | pythonsnake | _ramo, Yes. |
| 12:32.32 | pythonsnake | git clone git://git.debian.org/git/pkg-escience/vmbuilder.git |
| 12:32.42 | pythonsnake | sudo python setup.py install |
| 12:32.43 | endomafrendo | @|ntz|: http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 12:32.46 | endomafrendo | omg sec |
| 12:32.57 | endomafrendo | @|ntz|: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/00053b79/ |
| 12:33.06 | _ramo | pythonsnake: i don't have it in my repositories |
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| 12:33.24 | pythonsnake | _ramo, it is not in the repos. It is in git. |
| 12:33.24 | tp43 | hi |
| 12:33.37 | tp43 | anybody using swap? My system never uses it |
| 12:33.42 | endomafrendo | @|ntz|: this is the output of dpkg --configure -a |
| 12:33.43 | nevyn | dude. |
| 12:33.48 | nevyn | seriously. |
| 12:33.52 | tp43 | swap is depreciated I'd say |
| 12:34.01 | nevyn | you're wrong on this network as well. |
| 12:34.11 | _ramo | pythonsnake: so in which directoy to palce it, or will the install place it in the rigt place? |
| 12:34.14 | tp43 | yeah, so you must curse me? |
| 12:34.19 | nevyn | I never. |
| 12:34.43 | tp43 | what a sucky baby that moby guy is |
| 12:35.04 | endomafrendo | @|ntz|: this goes on for a while and repeats it self, that's why I pasted only the last 30 lines or so |
| 12:35.06 | pythonsnake | _ramo, cd /home; git clone git://git.debian.org/git/pkg-escience/vmbuilder.git vmbuilder; sudo python vmbuilder/setup.py install |
| 12:35.06 | nevyn | insulting ops is reasonably unclever as irc behavior goes... |
| 12:35.11 | pythonsnake | no |
| 12:35.19 | pythonsnake | _ramo, cd ~/; git clone git://git.debian.org/git/pkg-escience/vmbuilder.git vmbuilder; sudo python vmbuilder/setup.py install |
| 12:35.27 | nevyn | tp43: the thing is the kernel can do more with your ram.. if you have swap availible |
| 12:35.59 | pythonsnake | _ramo, the source will be in ~/vmbuilder, and it'll install vmbuilder system-wide. |
| 12:36.03 | nevyn | tp43: it may be that a task can be completed faster by swapping out half of firefox's ram so it can be used for disk cache. |
| 12:36.18 | tp43 | nevyn, I am not a linux guru, all I am saying is my system always reads 0mb of 700mb swap usage |
| 12:36.24 | _ramo | pythonsnake: i get : error: package directory 'VMBuilder' does not exist |
| 12:36.35 | nevyn | tp43: then you don't leave it running long enough. |
| 12:36.42 | tp43 | nevyn, when then, tell me when swap is used besides suspend, so I can see it |
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| 12:37.04 | nevyn | tp43: swap is used for all sorts of stuff that's not in use right now. |
| 12:37.20 | pythonsnake | hm |
| 12:37.22 | tp43 | nevyn, you are arguing for arguiments sake |
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| 12:37.27 | petemc | stereo swap discussions, nice |
| 12:37.28 | nevyn | sure. |
| 12:37.36 | pythonsnake | _ramo, cd ~/; git clone git://git.debian.org/git/pkg-escience/vmbuilder.git; sudo python vmbuilder/setup.py install |
| 12:38.00 | tp43 | nevyn, look at your own system, and witness any change in swap usage that is above 0 and then let me know, I will try and duplicate here |
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| 12:38.59 | nevyn | so for example my system right now |
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| 12:40.02 | _ramo | pythonsnake: again: error: package directory 'VMBuilder' does not exist |
| 12:40.48 | nevyn | tp43: 1.8gig of memory 1.4 in use 500mb of cache/buffers and 1.1 of swap |
| 12:40.56 | nevyn | to run my system as it is right now without swap |
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| 12:41.04 | nevyn | I'd have to oom kill 500mb of stuff. |
| 12:41.20 | nevyn | and it'd perform worse because I wouldn't have 500mb of disk buffers |
| 12:41.21 | tp43 | You are using 1.4 gigs of ram at the moment? |
| 12:41.31 | nevyn | yep |
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| 12:41.40 | tp43 | what do you have open? |
| 12:42.15 | nevyn | desktop 20 or 30 firefox tabs. kde majong skype as well as sshd, apache with modphp .... |
| 12:42.31 | tp43 | on my computer I openned ten programs and I was using under 400mb of ram |
| 12:42.58 | tp43 | ok, let me start apache and see |
| 12:43.04 | themill | tp43: generalising from "your computer" to "everyone's computer" isn't very sensible though, is it? |
| 12:43.26 | tp43 | themill, why, I am running debian squeeze, you guys running testing? |
| 12:43.42 | pythonsnake | _ramo, where? |
| 12:43.47 | themill | tp43: do you run the same programs as every other user of debian? |
| 12:43.54 | tp43 | I'm not telling everyone to abondon swap, I am just making the observation, that my swap is alway 0% usage |
| 12:43.55 | pythonsnake | _ramo, cd ~/; git clone git://git.debian.org/git/pkg-escience/vmbuilder.git; |
| 12:44.03 | pa7iQ | hi, can someone help me ? I have this in my grub.cfg: linux /vmlinuz-3.1.0-1-686-pae root=/dev/mapper/sdc5_crypt ro single, and the root filesystem is not mounted because it waits for a wrong UUID. where can I set what UUID should /dev/mapper/sdc5_crypt point to? |
| 12:44.11 | themill | tp43: no, you were telling everyone that swap was deprecated |
| 12:44.12 | tp43 | themill, I did ask him what he was running |
| 12:44.48 | tp43 | themill, yeah, but I didn't say stop using it, like I am a guru, I am just saying, I noticed it is never used |
| 12:45.15 | _ramo | pythonsnake: if running the python install |
| 12:45.22 | jelly | themill: do kernel bugs with page allocation when swap's disabled also count as swap usage! |
| 12:45.53 | nevyn | jelly: I thought the kernel had a noswap specialcase in the vm code? |
| 12:46.00 | nevyn | even tho linus hates them. |
| 12:46.28 | tp43 | yeah, thats what i mean, the system obviously expects to have swap, I am just saying, I am noticing 0% usage |
| 12:46.42 | pythonsnake | So what? Linus' opinion is just one like the others. |
| 12:46.47 | nevyn | how long has your system been running? |
| 12:46.57 | tp43 | c'mon Linus is the man |
| 12:47.10 | jelly | pythonsnake: not all opinions are created equal |
| 12:47.18 | tp43 | nevyn, do you know the command to tell that off hand? |
| 12:47.29 | nevyn | uptime |
| 12:47.54 | tp43 | 7hrs |
| 12:48.05 | pythonsnake | jelly: hmm? |
| 12:48.07 | tp43 | yeah, cause I did some stuff earlier and did some reboots |
| 12:48.21 | nevyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:48.27 | tp43 | I got apache2 and php running too |
| 12:48.39 | pythonsnake | If Linus hates xy, it doesn't mean that xy is certainly bad! |
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| 12:48.54 | tp43 | nevyn, and what is your current swap usage. I am suprised that you are using 1.5gigs of ram |
| 12:49.15 | nevyn | 1.1gig |
| 12:49.26 | tp43 | pythonsnake, true, but it does mean it is Probably bad |
| 12:49.50 | tp43 | you must be runnning kde or gnome, I am running xfce, thats why its so low |
| 12:49.55 | pythonsnake | tp43, no. It is subjective, not objective. |
| 12:49.57 | tp43 | let me ope a bunch of tabs and see |
| 12:50.21 | nevyn | of course I'm running kde. |
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| 12:50.38 | jsoft | bleep |
| 12:50.57 | nevyn | but I think computers exist to do stuff for me not to be mollycoddled by preventing them using the facilites that exist to let them do stuff :) |
| 12:50.58 | tp43 | pythonsnake, ok, but from my standpoint and someone have x amount of skills and Linux in the camp of people having x*1000 amount of skills, probably |
| 12:52.03 | pythonsnake | ... |
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| 12:52.37 | nevyn | tp43: it often means that linus has no use for xy |
| 12:52.47 | tp43 | alright, I opened about 20 tabs and I am at 600mb ram |
| 12:53.21 | intosh | pa7iQ: you probobly should add UUID of dev /dev/mapper/sdc5_crypt to /etc/crypttab and rebuild initrd.img - to do so, you have first to open crypted luks volume /dev/mapper/sdc5_crypt |
| 12:53.26 | nevyn | it's not hard to use lots of ram web browsers are piggy. |
| 12:54.23 | tp43 | nevyn, why you still using firefox, did you try chrome yet? |
| 12:54.31 | pa7iQ | intosh: so my encrypted partitions uuid is stored in initrd.img? i'll rebuild it thanks |
| 12:54.55 | nevyn | cause I like firefox? it works. |
| 12:55.07 | tp43 | nevyn, true |
| 12:55.30 | intosh | yes - initrd.img has information for cryptsetup which partition should be decrypted |
| 12:55.32 | nevyn | preventing my system from using swap or memory is way down my list of priorities below really annoying stuff like do my taxes |
| 12:56.12 | tp43 | nevyn, yeah, I was saying to do that, I was just making the observation of 0% usage, thats all |
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| 12:57.20 | tp43 | nevyn, sorry, I meant, I wasn't sayig to do that |
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| 13:00.18 | endomafrendo | hey gyus, can anyone help me with my problem: after an update on squeeze 6.03 64 bit the cups, acpid and x11-common packages broke, and after a dpkg --configure -a the following error messages appeared: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/00053b79/ |
| 13:01.50 | NikLP | brand new squeeze box, please anyone have suggested updates to sources.list? |
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| 13:04.53 | tp43 | endomafrendo, I am not expert, but I would just purge them and reinstall them |
| 13:06.22 | lstarnes | NikLP: the default should be sufficient |
| 13:06.43 | NikLP | lstarnes: I was told adding the contrib would be smart? |
| 13:06.51 | NikLP | just wondered if anything else really :) |
| 13:06.59 | lstarnes | NikLP: and non-free but only if you need it |
| 13:07.02 | NikLP | I've added contrib and the mariadb repos |
| 13:07.19 | NikLP | lstarnes: what is non-free anyway? this is just for a LAMP box so seems unlikely? |
| 13:07.50 | lstarnes | NikLP: packages that are not considered freely licensed under the DFSG |
| 13:08.09 | NikLP | ok thanks |
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| 13:15.02 | NikLP | oh :D aptitude install apache2 works ok, then install php5 generates a dependency issue... it wants to remove -mpm-worker and replace with -mpm-prefork? :/ |
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| 13:15.19 | jelly | endomafrendo: that vpnagentd_init thing seems suspicious, where does it come from. |
| 13:15.20 | NikLP | sure I didn't have this problem last time... |
| 13:16.16 | tp43 | the core2dual and stuff perform better than smp's? |
| 13:16.41 | iulhk | one of my remote server partition is full, how to resize the disk which does not effect on running services ? |
| 13:18.00 | lstarnes | iulhk: resizing partitions online is usually not a good idea |
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| 13:18.52 | tp43 | I don't think you can resize while keeping it mounted |
| 13:19.12 | lstarnes | and some filesystems cannot be shrunk, like xfs and jfs |
| 13:19.51 | iulhk | <lstarnes>: actually my different services logs creating this problem , can i move /var/log/all-services-logs to some other partition? |
| 13:20.28 | lstarnes | iulhk: you can |
| 13:20.36 | lstarnes | iulhk: but try clearing out old, unneeded logfiles |
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| 13:21.15 | hikenboot1 | is there a way to get the /boot partition on debian wheezy or squeeze to be on a raid-1 ? |
| 13:21.18 | tp43 | yeah, I forget how, but when I cleared out my apache server last time, it cleared it gigs of space |
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| 13:22.45 | iulhk | <lstarnes>: thanx: but how to move some other partition ? |
| 13:23.04 | samz_zaki | hi |
| 13:23.11 | lstarnes | iulhk: make a new parititon then mount it at that directory |
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| 13:23.46 | iulhk | let me check :) |
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| 13:26.02 | tp43 | iulhk, maybe this helps http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/apache-logs/ |
| 13:26.10 | svip | Can it be true that the standard MySQL server delivered by Squeeze does not support InnoDB? |
| 13:26.28 | _ramo | what is installed typically on debian squeeze ssh or openssh ? |
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| 13:26.46 | _ramo | i've got an sshd running but i don't konw if this is from openssh or ssh |
| 13:26.52 | colo-work | openssh |
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| 13:27.13 | colo-work | there aren't that many free ssh implementations. GNU lsh, Dropbear, OpenSSH, that twisted stuff. |
| 13:27.25 | colo-work | (that list probably is incomplete though) |
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| 13:27.48 | _ramo | so colo-work how can i be sure that it is openssh? |
| 13:28.01 | _ramo | how to see with apt-gte which ssh is installed? |
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| 13:28.14 | sep | _ramo, dpkg -la | grep ssh |
| 13:28.19 | burg | hello. i am trying to install compiz with debian, following this guide: http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz , but i can not find the file they say i have to edit: /etc/X11/xorg.conf (that file does not exist) |
| 13:29.12 | _ramo | sep dpkg not found :) |
| 13:29.27 | sep | _ramo, you rnu it as root right ? |
| 13:29.35 | _ramo | sep with sudo, right |
| 13:29.47 | tp43 | burg, you don't have to do all that anymore |
| 13:30.01 | _ramo | sep okay... got it... it's openssh |
| 13:30.12 | tp43 | burg, now it works out f the box, just install and then compiz --replace |
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| 13:36.29 | sephii | svip: no. |
| 13:36.41 | svip | sephii: Apparently someone added skip-innodb |
| 13:36.48 | svip | Now I removed it. :< |
| 13:37.10 | sephii | svip: you mean in the package? |
| 13:37.17 | svip | Not sure. |
| 13:37.19 | svip | It's a shared server. |
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| 13:38.28 | Psy-Q | it seems my .procmailrc is being completely ignored, i have postfix + procmail and am passing mail to /usr/bin/procmail from postfix |
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| 13:38.35 | sephii | svip: i just tested locally, I can create innodb tables with the base mysql package. I'm on testing though |
| 13:38.40 | Psy-Q | no matter what i write in .procmailrc, it's not even read. what could that be? that's on squeeze |
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| 13:41.21 | sephii | Psy-Q: check that procmail has access to this file maybe |
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| 13:45.51 | Psy-Q | sephii: i did a chmod o+r now and it has the same effect |
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| 13:46.20 | endomafrendo | <jelly>: dont know, i haven't done anything custom |
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| 13:46.21 | Psy-Q | does procmail need +r on the /home/user directory? |
| 13:46.39 | NikLP | ok ... erm there's no visudo command in squeeze, what's the alternative? :/ |
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| 13:47.07 | sephii | Psy-Q: do a su to the user account procmail is using and try to cat the file |
| 13:47.24 | jelly | endomafrendo: is there a file matching /etc/init.d/*vpnagent* |
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| 13:47.37 | endomafrendo | sec |
| 13:47.44 | jelly | endomafrendo: if there is, find out which package it's a part of |
| 13:48.00 | endomafrendo | /etc/init.d/vpnagentd_init |
| 13:48.22 | endomafrendo | ok, i see what you think... i'll try |
| 13:48.31 | Psy-Q | sephii: postfix has /bin/false as shell, i can't su to it :( |
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| 13:48.42 | Psy-Q | i could change that for a minute though |
| 13:48.54 | jelly | endomafrendo: I bet it's not in Debian at all |
| 13:49.13 | endomafrendo | hmm... |
| 13:49.18 | laim | Where is the most appropriate place to modify routing tables? |
| 13:49.22 | endomafrendo | how did it get there then |
| 13:49.26 | Psy-Q | sephii: yes, the postfix user can cat the file |
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| 13:50.37 | pexio | NikLP: have you installed sudo and are running visudo as root? |
| 13:50.38 | jelly | endomafrendo: you or some other admin installed it? A google search for vpnagentd_init might reveal clues. |
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| 13:50.48 | endomafrendo | jelly: i\m on it |
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| 13:51.21 | NikLP | pexio: sudo is installed, and I am logged in as root. visudo is not available currently |
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| 13:51.43 | NikLP | and there is no /etc/sudoers file :/ |
| 13:52.00 | pexio | try reinstalling sudo |
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| 13:52.32 | NikLP | well this is a linode squeeze image, perhaps there is a reason for it? |
| 13:52.32 | endomafrendo | jelly: i installed an AnyConnect (Cisco) and an OpenConnect client (debian) in order to VPN to my university |
| 13:52.41 | endomafrendo | it seems it is a part of the Cisco client |
| 13:53.17 | jelly | endomafrendo: see, some would call that "custom"! |
| 13:53.31 | endomafrendo | jelly: you are damn wight ;-) |
| 13:53.36 | endomafrendo | right |
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| 13:57.10 | endomafrendo | jelly: thanks a lot! You saved my life with your educated observation |
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| 13:59.00 | endomafrendo | jelly: as described here; http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=53192, there is a problem with the Cisco VPN client which breaks down the apt-system. Thanks a lot for pointing the /etc/init.d/ script out. Deleted it as well as anything installed by the Cisco vpn client and the APT system is whole again! |
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| 14:02.09 | jelly | endomafrendo: insserv is a tool that manages services started from init scripts, and /etc/init.d/ is where those are placed |
| 14:03.08 | Psy-Q | procmail doesn't log anything at all |
| 14:03.20 | Psy-Q | no matter what i set a log file, verbosity or anything in /etc/procmailrc |
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| 14:15.22 | sephii | Psy-Q: are you sure postfix is invoking procmail? |
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| 14:18.35 | endomafrendo | jelly: thanks a lot for the support. I'll try to remember that |
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| 14:21.00 | tp43 | did anyone compile their own kernel, or using stock? |
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| 14:22.00 | s70rm | tp43 you want to compile custom kernel? |
| 14:22.24 | tp43 | s70rm, well, I wondering if it is something still worth doing like it used to be |
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| 14:23.49 | jelly | endomafrendo: when you see something suspicious and perhaps repeating like that, try googling one whole line representative of the error, or try asking the bot about what a word means, eg. /msg dpkg insserv |
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| 14:24.54 | endomafrendo | jelly: thx a lot! |
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| 14:28.22 | zzen | hi.. wondering if anyone can help. getting the following error when trying to use scp to cop a file from one vm (lubuntu) to another (debian): Permission denied (publickey, password) |
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| 14:33.49 | jelly | zzen: and you don't even get asked for the password? |
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| 14:35.11 | rudi_s | zzen: Check the sshd logs on the server. Maybe the account is locked. |
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| 14:36.27 | zzen | yeah i do get asked |
| 14:36.44 | ojtimsen | to which folder are you trying to copy - I mean which destination |
| 14:36.49 | rudi_s | zzen: Wrong password? |
| 14:36.51 | zzen | where are the logs (newbie, sorry)... |
| 14:36.56 | zzen | yeah |
| 14:37.28 | zzen | just realised, all my virtual machines have the same ip address (running on kubuntu host).... |
| 14:37.29 | daggett | Hi all |
| 14:37.36 | zzen | 10.0.2.15 for eth0 |
| 14:37.45 | rudi_s | zzen: /var/log/auth.log on the server |
| 14:37.54 | Psy-Q | sephii: yes, postfix writes that it's invoking procmail into the mail.log |
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| 14:40.09 | daggett | I'm stuck trying to do : redirect port 9999 from eth0 (ip 192.168.0.10) to port 1234 on 127.0.0.1 (SSH tunnel), how can I do that ? (I've already read many tutos and docs and tried dozens of rules) |
| 14:40.23 | qr223 | iptables |
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| 14:41.11 | daggett | yes iptables, I'm trying to do it with iptables since the beginning but didn't success |
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| 14:41.43 | laim | How do I provide authentication data to the cups admin page? |
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| 14:42.23 | qr223 | something like iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 9999 -j REDIRECT --to-port 1234 |
| 14:42.40 | zzen | nothing in logs about an ssh connection, although it does say listening on 0.0.0.0 port 22... |
| 14:42.52 | zzen | but if all my vms have the same ip... |
| 14:43.25 | daggett | qr223, without any "FORWARD" rule ? |
| 14:43.48 | qr223 | well that would redirect to same interface |
| 14:43.49 | zzen | using virtual box |
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| 14:43.56 | qr223 | but i was assuming eth0 was the right interface daggett |
| 14:44.24 | daggett | qr223, yes, it is the right one |
| 14:44.27 | ojtimsen | daggett: you can also try a SSH based redirection like ssh -L 192.168.0.10:9999:127.0.0.1:1234 XXX@localhost |
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| 14:44.41 | abrotman | daggett: you'd probably want to ask #netfilter |
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| 14:45.23 | daggett | ojtimsen, yes but I'm using ssh -R |
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| 14:45.54 | daggett | abrotman, ok, I'll try to post here as well |
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| 14:46.19 | ojtimsen | daggett: maybe I got your details wrong - but I would assume it is -L |
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| 14:47.39 | daggett | ojtimsen, I'm initiating the SSH tunnel from host B, then on host A I want port 9999 of eth0 to be redirected on 127.0.0.1:1234 |
| 14:47.41 | meta-coder | $ nmap 0.0.0.0/0 |
| 14:48.07 | ojtimsen | yes, so it is -L |
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| 14:48.40 | ojtimsen | zzen: you are using the VM with NAT mode - can you switch to bridged mode? that would make it easier for you from network point of view |
| 14:49.27 | zzen | hmm |
| 14:49.55 | daggett | ojtimsen, nope, -L is when you SSH on host A to redirect port of host A to port of host B |
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| 14:50.54 | kW_ | Hello! Is there any debian package (free or nonfree) available for a recent (e.g. October 2011 or younger) Java 7 implementation? |
| 14:51.54 | quitte | i'm not quite up to date about what is supposed to manage usb permissions in the next release. all i know is that with an update a couple of weeks ago it broke for me. |
| 14:52.21 | ojtimsen | zzen: in the network settings of the VM you can select in a drop down "NAT" or "Bridged" switch to bridge and the VM will get a address out of your normal DHCP range |
| 14:52.25 | quitte | what would be the right place to look at to give myself permissions to an usb device? |
| 14:52.39 | quitte | kW_: openjdk |
| 14:52.52 | quitte | oh october 2011 |
| 14:53.02 | daggett | ojtimsen, but I guess it's only a matter of wording it, I use -R and I'm sur that it is the right thing to do in my case. |
| 14:53.15 | kW_ | quitte: well, the openjdk I found was "b147", which is about half a year ago, and does not include recent updates and fixes |
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| 14:55.00 | quitte | kW_: i'm just looking. the version you want is unstable? |
| 14:55.24 | quitte | kW_: apt-get source and drop in the verson you want then rebuild it. at least that's worth a try |
| 14:55.31 | ojtimsen | daggett: maybe I mixed something up but I would try ssh -L 192.168.0.10:9999:127.0.0.1:1234 XXX@192.168.0.10 and afterwards try to connect via telnet 192.168.0.10 9999 and check if you see an SSH header message |
| 14:56.26 | ojtimsen | but this requires that you run on port 1234 a SSH daemon |
| 14:56.26 | meta-coder | Am I going to see more packages than in 6.0 in next Debian releases? |
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| 14:56.54 | quitte | kW_: i don't see any activity since 5 months ago in jdk-7 |
| 14:56.55 | jhutchins_wk | meta-coder: 30,000 isn' tenogujh for you? |
| 14:57.12 | thewanderer1 | meta-coder, yeah, new software is still flowing in and will probably never cease to :P |
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| 14:58.10 | kW_ | quitte: well, this is the problem... but there is a well known bug in the first release of Java 7 http://www.lucidimagination.com/blog/2011/07/28/dont-use-java-7-for-anything/ so it cannot be used |
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| 15:02.21 | zzen | thanks for the help, putting one of them in bridged was enough to get it working :) |
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| 15:02.46 | sephii | Psy-Q: perhaps you should consider trying maildrop instead of procmail |
| 15:02.48 | rumina | how do I install debian from usb? |
| 15:03.50 | quitte | rumina: the easiest is probably to use unetbootin to make an usb stick from an iso |
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| 15:08.07 | abrotman | don't use unetbootin, it's broken |
| 15:08.14 | abrotman | !tell rumina about usb install |
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| 15:08.29 | abrotman | quitte: please don't tell people that .. it rarely works |
| 15:08.46 | rumina | close one -.-" |
| 15:08.59 | abrotman | quitte: as for your usb access .. look at udev rules |
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| 15:09.32 | abrotman | kW_: is this for squeeze or wheezy/sid ? |
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| 15:09.53 | kW_ | abrotman: ideally for squeeze, but I'd take any package |
| 15:10.15 | abrotman | !tell kW_ about ssb |
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| 15:10.23 | abrotman | kW_: good luck .. not sure hwo well that will work |
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| 15:10.44 | kW_ | abrotman: well, it won't work even for testing or sid |
| 15:10.58 | quitte | kW_: is the source available anywhere? |
| 15:11.41 | abrotman | kW_: what won't work? you an backport the packages? or you're saying those are too old also ? |
| 15:11.51 | abrotman | !tell kW_ about uupdate |
| 15:12.39 | abrotman | kW_: the build in wheezy is the newest available from java.net |
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| 15:12.47 | quitte | abrotman: jdk-7 in sid is to old |
| 15:12.56 | abrotman | it's the newest version! |
| 15:12.58 | jelly | too old for what |
| 15:13.09 | quitte | it seems to me oracle kept the fix to themselves |
| 15:13.15 | abrotman | judd: versions openjdk-7-source |
| 15:13.16 | judd | Package: openjdk-7-source on i386 -- sid: 7~b147-2.0-1; wheezy: 7~b147-2.0-1 |
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| 15:13.26 | abrotman | and from their website, build 147 is the newest |
| 15:13.35 | kW_ | there is http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk7u/jdk7u (openjdk 7 open source) and there is java7u2 (for which may there be no redistribution license, so it is ok that debian may not have it) |
| 15:13.52 | abrotman | kW_: that's for Sun Java, not openjdk |
| 15:13.55 | jelly | uses 1.6_30 and doesn't see where the problem is |
| 15:14.01 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 15:14.26 | kW_ | abrotman: well, I don't care whether the Java 7 implementation is from sun or from openjdk, I just need any packaged ... |
| 15:14.32 | ws2k3 | why is my nullmailer trying to send this kinda mails : http://pastebin.com/EmG0qcat |
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| 15:14.54 | kW_ | so I take a recent openjdk implementation if there is one, I'd also take a recent sun|oracle implementation if there is one |
| 15:15.00 | abrotman | kW_: and you're 100% certain the packages in sid are too old ? |
| 15:15.13 | iluminator101 | how can i find the public ip of the last time i was on wifi? |
| 15:15.45 | abrotman | kW_: if you look at the change log .. they mention uploading new packages to coincide with anew upstream on Oct 01 |
| 15:16.47 | abrotman | kW_: if you really want to know how the Debian version in wheezy/sid relates to the java.net version, ask #debian-java on irc.oftc.net |
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| 15:17.17 | abrotman | kW_: or check pkg-java.alioth.debian.org |
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| 15:17.34 | kW_ | abrotman: thank you, I'll check that |
| 15:17.54 | jelly | kW_: a very dumb workaround is to download x86 and x86_64 jdk tarballs for Oracle Java 1.6_30, and use those + the last existing deb-src of 1.6_26 (still available on snapshot.debian.org) to make fresh new packages |
| 15:18.33 | quitte | i heard that such things rarely work and should not be recommended ;) |
| 15:19.24 | kW_ | jelly: well, I specifically need Java 7 with a bug-fixed hotspot engine, so Java 1.6_30 would be an upgrade too (from 1.6_26), but not a sufficient one |
| 15:19.25 | jelly | quitte: things like what? using uupdate to package new versions of stuff that aren't available in Debian? |
| 15:19.56 | jelly | kW_: oh. Just use the tarballs from Oracle, forget packaging |
| 15:20.32 | kW_ | jelly: well, abrotman pointed out that it could be that, despite an unclear naming, the most recent openjdk-7 packages in sid (and testing) may actually include the fixes required |
| 15:20.42 | syslq | kW_: you could use checkinstall to build debian package I guess |
| 15:20.46 | abrotman | kW_: you may want to quickly browse the changelog |
| 15:21.24 | jelly | kW_: I wouldn't bother even checking if that was true unless I was REALLY hung up on having everything packaged |
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| 15:22.30 | kW_ | jelly: check whether what was true? |
| 15:22.31 | jelly | lots of busy work just to avoid setting your PATH and JAVA_HOME |
| 15:22.44 | jelly | kW_: the packages from sid having the fix |
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| 15:24.18 | kW_ | jelly: well, the reason to have packaging at all is to make it easy (and have it already automatable) to install and uninstall some certain software set, so why not use a package if that's precisely what I need? |
| 15:24.50 | kW_ | (java, in particular, as some obstacles, like adding "java", "javac" and friends to /etc/alternatives, accepting the license, etc.) |
| 15:24.54 | me-1 | hi..how can I shrink an NTFS partition in order to install Debian squeeze |
| 15:25.16 | zaltekk | me-1: in windows run disk defragmenter |
| 15:25.25 | zaltekk | me-1: then in the control panel you can shrink the size |
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| 15:25.33 | zaltekk | should be easy to find on google the exact location |
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| 15:25.41 | zaltekk | may be under Administrative tools/settings |
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| 15:26.26 | me-1 | zaltekk, I dont have windows . I have LM 12 on 8 gb Linux partition and other 12 GB of ntfs partition has some data |
| 15:27.08 | me-1 | i want to shrink partition using debian installtion CD |
| 15:27.12 | quitte | me-1: the gparted live-cd did a fine job for me on an xp(!) ntfs partition |
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| 15:27.34 | quitte | with vista it broke. no idea about the current status |
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| 15:28.06 | jelly | kW_: and that reason becomes less reasonable if it takes more work to create or fetch the package than to set up a working env. from tarball |
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| 15:28.29 | kW_ | jelly: not if the package needs to be installed on 20+ systems |
| 15:28.29 | me-1 | quitte, as i said I dont have windows just NTFS partiion . debian CD1 has gparted..? |
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| 15:29.00 | quitte | me-1: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/ |
| 15:29.13 | quitte | me-1: live cd/USB |
| 15:29.44 | jelly | kW_: depends on how well your Puppet is configured! |
| 15:29.49 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: A little extra effort to stay within the package management system is reasonable. |
| 15:29.57 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: I agree. |
| 15:30.37 | jelly | so who else made their own -rw-r--r-- 1 jelly jelly 6360604 Pro 13 23:25 packages/sun-java6-jre_6.30-1_all.deb, show of hands? |
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| 15:33.44 | kW_ | jelly: not me... however, if you have a sun-java7-jre_7u8-1_all.deb , I'd probably take it ;-) |
| 15:34.08 | jelly | kW_: you wouldn't, it wouldn't be redistributable |
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| 15:34.41 | kW_ | jelly: not me... however, if you had a script which was capable of producing a sun-java7-jre_7u8-1_all.deb , I'd probably take it ;-) |
| 15:34.52 | jelly | :-) |
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| 15:35.27 | ChrizC | hi there, how would I go about resizing the current active ext3 partiton in KDE partitionman? |
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| 15:38.06 | ChrizC | anyone? |
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| 15:40.51 | jelly | Bueller? |
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| 15:41.35 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:41.44 | manpreet | I am trying to install request-tracker4 from backports and running into dependency issues |
| 15:41.50 | abrotman | ChrizC: ytou want resize it while it's live ? |
| 15:41.54 | jelly | ChrizC: short answer: you can't resize active partitions. If you had filesystems on lvm, or directly on whole disk, this would be doable |
| 15:41.58 | abrotman | manpreet: using aptitude or apt-get ? |
| 15:42.05 | manpreet | apt-get |
| 15:42.22 | ChrizC | abrotman: yeah, because I can't boot into windows to resize it, as my iwndows install is borked. |
| 15:42.36 | ChrizC | jelly: this filesystem does take up the whole disk, except for swap |
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| 15:43.53 | jelly | ChrizC: Linux kernel has a limitation in that it cannot become aware of partition table changes if ANY of the partitions is currently in use (mounted, or active swap, or anything else) |
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| 15:44.45 | ChrizC | jelly: I don't need it to, because as soon as it's resized, I want to reboot into a Windows 7 install |
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| 15:44.58 | aguitel | i am in testing ,my systen freeze |
| 15:44.58 | ChrizC | does Windows 7 installation let you resize current partitions? |
| 15:45.03 | manpreet | abrotman, Here are the details http://pastebin.com/zJwgV12x |
| 15:46.02 | abrotman | manpreet: try aptitude .. see if it works for you |
| 15:46.10 | jelly | ChrizC: ok. do you want to grow or shrink that ext3? Only growing can be done online. |
| 15:46.37 | ChrizC | jelly: shrink, so that I have enough space for a Windows 7 install |
| 15:46.42 | jelly | ChrizC: I'd use gparted livecd. |
| 15:46.58 | ChrizC | Hm, I have an Ubuntu live CD lying about... could that work? |
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| 15:47.22 | abrotman | manpreet: also, read the instructions at backports.debian.org .. you're doing it wrong |
| 15:47.33 | jelly | ChrizC: in theory yes, but it's better to use the latest gparted possible |
| 15:47.46 | jelly | (well, latest e2fsprogs actually) |
| 15:48.04 | ChrizC | I just don't want to waste a whole blank DVD just for this one time |
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| 15:48.19 | jelly | ChrizC: you can waste an usb stick instead |
| 15:48.28 | jelly | a* |
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| 15:48.54 | ChrizC | jelly: I don't have a spare usb stick lying around |
| 15:49.04 | jelly | a whole blank dvd is $0.40 here in debt-ridden southern europe |
| 15:49.06 | iluminator101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.22 | ChrizC | jelly: 0.4 > 0 which is what I currently have |
| 15:50.20 | manpreet | abrotman, Thanks got it |
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| 15:58.35 | qdb | i have installed gnome-bluetooth but not bluetooth. i can not make some things? here is take files button but no send files button. i need bluetooth package? |
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| 16:07.21 | Woet | i'm setting up an unattended PXE server using debian preseed. I want it to use DHCP to get the PXE, use DHCP to get the kickstart and then use it's static IP (as defined in the kickstart) to do the rest. |
| 16:07.40 | Woet | So I've enabled DHCP in the PXE file, set the static IP in the kickstart, but it still tries to get DHCP |
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| 16:18.14 | ojtimsen | qdb: I would check to see if an obexd package is missing - i remember there was something |
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| 16:23.03 | qdb | obexd-client is installed |
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| 16:25.10 | mooglenorph | Hi. I'm trying to use firefox 9 on debian stable, 64-bit. I've downloaded and unpacked the correct tarball, but with I try to execute firefox or firefox-bin, I get no error message and no window. |
| 16:26.44 | mns | anyone have comcast for an ISP and know if they're blocking port 25 ? They didn't use to but I've not been getting email since the 18th. |
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| 16:27.10 | jhutchins_wk | mns: What's the address? |
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| 16:28.30 | mns | jhutchins_wk: address for ? |
| 16:29.06 | jhutchins_wk | mns: Your mailserver, I'll check it for you. |
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| 16:35.35 | jhutchins_wk | mns: You can pm me if you want, I'll be back in a while. |
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| 16:41.54 | jelly | mns: what domain? |
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| 16:46.47 | mns | jelly, jhutchins_wk: c-24-63-48-219.hsd1.ma.comcast.net |
| 16:46.57 | ruslan_osmanov | hi. where can I find .dict and .aff files for spelldump command? Except myspell package |
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| 16:47.09 | ruslan_osmanov | well and except ispell and aspell |
| 16:47.14 | jelly | mns: I meant your domain to send mail to, but I guess that will work as well |
| 16:47.47 | jelly | mns: doesn't go through |
| 16:48.04 | jelly | from two different .hr ISPs |
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| 16:48.37 | jelly | mns: amusingly submission port works |
| 16:49.43 | mns | jelly: yeah I can't get smtp but imaps and submission works fine. |
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| 16:52.45 | SAVR | My mother overheard a conversation I was having about a certain linux distribution. After the conversation she asked "who is Debbie and why are you talking about her open sores?" |
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| 16:52.48 | SAVR | o_0 |
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| 16:54.07 | idimmu_ | my mum once asked me if i was a nerd when she saw me reading slashdot and caught the news for nerds tagline |
| 16:54.18 | idimmu_ | i just told her i was lazy and appreciate news aggregators |
| 16:54.20 | mooglenorph | Is FF9 incompatiable with squeeze? |
| 16:54.57 | SAVR | ;p; |
| 16:55.01 | SAVR | lol |
| 16:55.25 | SAVR | someone is a little smart |
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| 17:00.40 | jhutchins_wk | mns: It pretty much depends on where in the comcast network you are. They officially block it, but it's not implemented everywhere. |
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| 17:04.12 | ChrizC | is ftp.uk.debian.org down? |
| 17:04.15 | ChrizC | I can't seem to connect |
| 17:04.32 | ChrizC | oh, now it's up, but *very* slow |
| 17:04.43 | ChrizC | not even 6kb/s |
| 17:05.38 | jhutchins_wk | ChrizC: When I was on Mandriva the swiss mirrors were always pretty good even from the US. Haven't had any server trouble with Debian. |
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| 17:19.49 | jmd | How can I enable X for mortals? |
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| 17:19.53 | Bartzy | Hi |
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| 17:20.25 | Bartzy | Is there a way to configure a tmpfs or ramfs mount that when it's full, it just writes on the oldest file(s) or deletes them ? |
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| 17:30.54 | jhutchins_wk | jmd: What do you mean? |
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| 17:31.47 | jmd | jhutchins_wk, Well when I try to start X I get: "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting." |
| 17:32.25 | jhutchins_wk | jmd: How did you install it? |
| 17:32.42 | jhutchins_wk | jmd: Are you planning on using gnome, kde, or xfce? |
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| 17:34.03 | jmd | apt-get and no I dont want gnome |
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| 17:41.34 | SasanRose | hello eveyone, i have proble with fa_IR.UTF-8. I can type farsi very easily system wide, but i can't type it in terminal it converts to question marks. I can't type in vim or gvim too. Even my services like kannel receive farsi as question marks. Here is my locale output: http://pastebin.com/ac53wmYv |
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| 17:42.01 | SasanRose | This problem didn't exist in past |
| 17:42.13 | SasanRose | i could easily write farsi in terminal |
| 17:43.07 | jmd | SasanRose, Which terminal emulator are you using? |
| 17:43.35 | SasanRose | jmd: gnome-terminal |
| 17:43.56 | jmd | Odd. I thought that supported utf8 |
| 17:45.02 | SasanRose | jmd: it did, but i don't know what happened that raised this issue |
| 17:45.17 | jhutchins_wk | SasanRose: What release are you running? |
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| 17:46.36 | SasanRose | jhutchins_wk: wheezy/sid |
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| 17:51.20 | exeter | it's not really debian related but... do you know where to find the EXACT SPECS of samsung chromebook? I am looking to see wheter the 3g module is debian friendly, but alas I can't find what exactly it is. |
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| 17:56.28 | SasanRose | jhutchins_wk: sorry, disconnected, wheezy/sid |
| 17:58.38 | jhutchins_wk | SasanRose: Those are two different things, are you running frankendebian? |
| 17:59.02 | jhutchins_wk | SasanRose: In any case, you might check in #debian-next on oftc.net and see if someone is working on farsi. |
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| 17:59.34 | SasanRose | jhutchins_wk: ok, thanks |
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| 18:01.51 | abrotman | wtf |
| 18:02.11 | abrotman | wishes jhutchins_wk would stop doing that |
| 18:02.31 | raz0_ | On Wheezy, it seems no matter what combination of options I use I always get Unknown decoder 'libx264' from ffmpeg when trying to encode H264. I have debian multimedia, libx264-119. It should work, no_ |
| 18:02.35 | raz0_ | ? |
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| 18:03.10 | abrotman | raz0_: is it actually loading hte library? |
| 18:04.25 | raz0_ | abrotman: I don't know. How do I check that? ffmpeg -formats? |
| 18:04.49 | raz0_ | 73: DE h264 raw H.264 video format |
| 18:04.54 | abrotman | raz0_: that might be one way .. i don't use ffmpeg a whole lot |
| 18:05.01 | raz0_ | that line is there, but that's all there is for H264. |
| 18:05.32 | raz0_ | Alternatively I would be happy of some other way of convering a bunch of PNGs into a H264 movie. |
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| 18:07.00 | abrotman | raz0_: would kdenlive be able to do that ? |
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| 18:07.59 | abrotman | raz0_: website says it can use PNG to create an animated slideshow .. not sure if tha'ts what you want |
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| 18:08.29 | raz0_ | Could be. Let me try. |
| 18:08.41 | raz0_ | Although I would have preferred a CLI method. :) |
| 18:08.47 | raz0_ | since I have to do it a lot. |
| 18:09.04 | abrotman | it may have a scripting backend .. |
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| 18:12.18 | raz0_ | Ah I see. Very cool. Thanks. |
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| 18:13.41 | abrotman | raz0_: i don't see one on their website though |
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| 18:14.05 | raz0_ | You don't see what? |
| 18:14.31 | raz0_ | I just tried. It generated an .sh file. Easy to modify for my purposes. :) |
| 18:14.46 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 18:15.16 | raz0_ | Well, I guess it's not easy to change the input files. Hmm. |
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| 18:23.16 | pythonsnake | Hello. |
| 18:23.48 | pythonsnake | How can I make an unallocated space in an extended partition a primary partition? |
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| 18:25.23 | lstarnes | pythonsnake: you'd have to resize the extended partition so that it doesn't contain that unallocated space, then add that space as a primary partition |
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| 18:26.47 | pythonsnake | Wow, that operations look risky |
| 18:27.24 | pythonsnake | Aha, it worked, my thanks lstarnes |
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| 18:31.32 | nsadmin | you're right, it does look risky... any time you alter the partition table, it's risky... so, back it up |
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| 18:48.03 | jmd | Is there a simple utility to set up and test sound? |
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| 18:49.17 | abrotman | cat ? |
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| 18:49.19 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 18:49.20 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <arts> or <esound> stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 18:49.26 | zen_monkey | hi, is there anyone experiencing trouble with iceweasel 9? am on mint debian edition and after upgrading from 8 no custom search works nor https and even some sites wont load without https |
| 18:49.35 | zen_monkey | btw alreasy disabled all the extensions |
| 18:50.50 | abrotman | zen_monkey: wrong channel, this channel is for Debian, not Mint |
| 18:51.44 | zen_monkey | abrotman, already know but can't access their irc server and since they are supposed to use debians base thought could try |
| 18:51.46 | zen_monkey | :D |
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| 18:52.57 | abrotman | zen_monkey: nope, we don't use Mint ... you can try ##linux if you want, but you're offtopic here |
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| 18:54.27 | zen_monkey | abrotman, thanks anyway, just a luckless shot :D |
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| 18:56.21 | lasers | Ha! He tried to use mozilla iceweasel ppa that was made for debian, not mint. |
| 18:56.36 | lasers | Great way to break things! |
| 18:57.21 | ix_ | are there debian ppas? |
| 18:57.46 | nsadmin | zen_monkey, so you know... debian's base is about 150 mb compressed, and its other software totally dwarfs that... other dists can literally do anything, and it would be difficult for any one group to keep track of all of those different dists |
| 18:58.28 | nsadmin | ix_, not that are recognized by debian, except debian multimedia and backports |
| 18:58.29 | lasers | !ppa | ix_ |
| 18:58.45 | abrotman | lasers: no such thing .. PPA are not for Debian |
| 18:58.52 | ix_ | yeah, I use some backports |
| 18:59.03 | abrotman | ix_: you can use mozilla.debian.net |
| 18:59.22 | nsadmin | there's that dotdeb thing, which is known to be broken most of the time |
| 18:59.26 | ix_ | I use the firefox from the mozilla site |
| 18:59.34 | lasers | abrotman: This. http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 18:59.39 | lasers | Duh. |
| 18:59.40 | lasers | You said it. |
| 18:59.46 | abrotman | that's not a PPA |
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| 18:59.48 | abrotman | not even close |
| 18:59.54 | lasers | D'oh* |
| 19:00.03 | nsadmin | what's the difference between that and a ppa? |
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| 19:00.16 | abrotman | nsadmin: PPA are done by users |
| 19:00.17 | ix_ | is there a problem to use the precompiled executables? |
| 19:00.25 | nsadmin | oic |
| 19:00.30 | abrotman | ix_: from who? mozilla.org ? your call |
| 19:00.36 | ix_ | yeah |
| 19:00.49 | lasers | So this is Mozilla repository? |
| 19:01.10 | dondelelcaro | lasers: no, that's the Debian packagers of mozilla packages repository. |
| 19:01.16 | nsadmin | ix_, if they're not built against the libs expected to be in the dist, that could cause glitches |
| 19:01.38 | abrotman | lasers: no, it's done by the DDs that maintain mozilla-ish stuff in Debian |
| 19:01.44 | abrotman | doh, don already said |
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| 19:01.55 | ix_ | it works fine for me, I have firefox 9 on squeeze |
| 19:01.59 | lasers | dondelelcaro, abrotman: Ah. Cool. :) |
| 19:02.20 | abrotman | lasers: so there's some amount of offialness and care with those packages |
| 19:03.08 | zen_monkey | nsadmin, thanks for the tip, and btw wasn't intending to sound like coming here was bad because of the answer i got... just my wrong choise on where to look ;-) |
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| 19:03.34 | lasers | Anybody here use awesome in debian? |
| 19:03.49 | nsadmin | zen_monkey, I figured you might as well understand why |
| 19:03.58 | ix_ | I've tried awesome |
| 19:04.08 | babilen | lasers: Lots of people use awesomewm |
| 19:04.08 | ix_ | but I prefer fluxbox |
| 19:04.09 | nsadmin | what's awesome in debiah? |
| 19:04.16 | ix_ | WM |
| 19:04.20 | nsadmin | everything! |
| 19:04.21 | ix_ | window manager |
| 19:04.27 | lasers | nsadmin: Heh. |
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| 19:04.56 | ompaul | nsadmin: that's not enough! |
| 19:05.17 | lasers | Chromium works smooth for me in Gnome, but not too smooth in awesome. That's the only issue I have for me. |
| 19:05.31 | ix_ | I found it strange that awesome uses more resources than fluxbox, although both use very little |
| 19:05.47 | nsadmin | gnome can probably use awesome as its wm |
| 19:06.16 | zen_monkey | nsadmin, thanks again |
| 19:06.33 | lasers | Yes, in Gnome3. I'm sure it's doable with Gnome2 with some hacks. |
| 19:06.46 | zen_monkey | well seems now i can access their support channel, let's see what they got hehe |
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| 19:07.08 | ix_ | does anyone actually like gnome 3? |
| 19:07.15 | lasers | ix_: I do. |
| 19:07.24 | ix_ | :) ok |
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| 19:07.41 | lasers | ix_: At first, I was skeptical. I actually find it much better than Gnome2 but... I need more... Like bottom panel and such. |
| 19:07.50 | ix_ | I would not use it if it was the last DE on earth |
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| 19:08.34 | lasers | ix_: It still need more polishes. Can't right-click on the Desktop? Gotta bring nautilus up first. |
| 19:08.34 | abrotman | ix_: i like it quite a bit actually |
| 19:08.39 | ix_ | and I've used almost anything |
| 19:08.56 | abrotman | ix_: well, then you get to use something else |
| 19:09.13 | ix_ | kde3, gnome2, xfce, lxde, fluxbox, jwm and who knows what else |
| 19:09.16 | lasers | I don't like gnome.extensions.org website. I prefer installing my own choices of extensions through aptitude. |
| 19:09.43 | talexb | What differences are there between i386, 486 and i686 packages? |
| 19:10.18 | ix_ | some vague speed improvements |
| 19:10.23 | ix_ | or something |
| 19:10.24 | lasers | ix_: Screenshot your desktop. I should try fluxbox. |
| 19:10.31 | ix_ | ok |
| 19:10.42 | lasers | I like this. http://fluxbox.org/screenshots/screenshots_full/screenshot_tenner.png |
| 19:10.46 | talexb | I installed linux-headers-2.6.39-bpo-2-686-pae on my x86 VM .. seems to be OK .. |
| 19:11.32 | ix_ | http://postimage.org/image/vp4th0bat/ |
| 19:11.36 | nsadmin | approximately and somewhat briefly, what would be required to run kernel 3.0 on squeeze? |
| 19:11.37 | ix_ | it's a bit old |
| 19:11.42 | talexb | .. but libpcre3 wanted libc6 >= 2.13.5, and when I installed that, libc.so.6 disappeared from /lib -- so linking no longer works. |
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| 19:12.09 | lasers | ix_: What file manager? |
| 19:12.19 | ix_ | rox |
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| 19:12.24 | ix_ | rox-filer |
| 19:12.24 | abrotman | nsadmin: AIUI, a new udev or a kenrel with all modules required to boot compiled in |
| 19:12.29 | abrotman | nsadmin: could be totally wrong |
| 19:12.44 | nsadmin | and specifically, any of that interfere with its "sqiueezeness"? |
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| 19:13.31 | nsadmin | abrotman, hmm, that tells me it could be possible... now I just have to figure out why I'd want to do it :) |
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| 19:14.19 | lasers | abrotman: Are you sporting Gnome3 right now? |
| 19:14.28 | ix_ | yeah, why do you need the 3.0 kernel? |
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| 19:17.23 | jhutchins_wk | abrotman: What's the deal? |
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| 19:17.49 | sparky4 | What good back up software for Debian servers? |
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| 19:18.19 | ix_ | online backup or offline? |
| 19:18.30 | jhutchins_wk | abrotman: Aren't we supposed to redirect wheezy/sid support to #debian-next? |
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| 19:19.07 | sparky4 | ix_: .... to a local hard dris drive and remote computers |
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| 19:19.39 | nsadmin | hmm, I'm looking at mozilla.debian.net looking for available versions and there's no -numeric- versions... which is which? aurora? release? beta? |
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| 19:21.18 | ix_ | I've used spideroak for online backup |
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| 19:22.07 | jhutchins_wk | People seem to like crashplan pretty well. I need to messs with that some. |
| 19:22.16 | jhutchins_wk | rsync or rdiff-backup. |
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| 19:24.37 | ix_ | nsadmin, do you want the latest firefox? |
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| 19:33.22 | abrotman | jhutchins_wk: i've told you before that is not hte case |
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| 19:35.13 | jmd | When I try to use aplay, I get "ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1018:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave" |
| 19:35.19 | abrotman | jhutchins_wk: it's just like the PowerPC port or AMD64 .. there is a specialised channel for it, but it doesn't mean they should be shooed out of here like outcasts because they're running testing/unstable .. Those versions of Debian are still part of Debian |
| 19:35.44 | abrotman | jhutchins_wk: if you can't answer, just say you don't know or don't answer at all .. someone else may know though |
| 19:36.28 | jhutchins_wk | abrotman: I will be more careful about making the suggestion as an option in addition to this channel. |
| 19:36.55 | jhutchins_wk | abrotman: I tend to do that when I strongly suspect that the problem might be due to developmental status. |
| 19:37.42 | nsadmin | if I get mozilla "release" from mozilla.debian.net, is that currently vers 9? |
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| 19:39.39 | somiaj | wow firefox is sure churing though the versions fairly quickly. Are you on squeeze nsadmin ? |
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| 19:41.41 | somiaj | nsadmin: you could add the repo to your sources.list and then apt-cache show (or aptitude show) the iceweasel package and see what version it is (without installing it) |
| 19:42.05 | boudiccas | is it possible to run fstab after bootup on squeeze? i've made a change in it and want to know if it will work before i reboot |
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| 19:45.24 | abrotman | nsadmin: yes .. that'd be the same as the 'release' channel that FF follows |
| 19:45.35 | abrotman | boudiccas: change to which mount point ? |
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| 19:45.50 | boudiccas | the one to my external usb h/d |
| 19:45.54 | DammitJim | is there a facebook feed widget thingie? |
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| 19:46.27 | boudiccas | abrotman; the one to my external usb h/d |
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| 19:49.48 | boudiccas | abrotman; i've added this line to fstab ........ /dev/sdb1 /media/8eef3b99-c17b-4913-ae61-d34c7fd5d459 auto rw,user,noauto,umask=0000 0 0 |
| 19:50.18 | thewanderer1 | ,file asm/types.h |
| 19:50.21 | judd | Search for asm/types.h in squeeze/i386: linux-libc-dev: usr/include/asm/types.h; dietlibc-dev: usr/include/diet/asm/types.h; elks-libc: usr/lib/bcc/include/asm/types.h; linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common-xen: usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common-xen/arch/x86/include/asm/types.h; linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common-vserver: usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common- |
| 19:50.23 | judd | vserver/arch/x86/include/asm/types.h; linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common: usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common/arch/x86/include/asm/types.h; linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common-openvz: usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common-openvz/arch/x86/include/asm/types.h |
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| 19:53.40 | abrotman | boudiccas: can't you unmount it and then remount it ? |
| 19:53.49 | abrotman | DammitJim: a browser? |
| 19:53.59 | abrotman | thewanderer1: /msg judd works also .. or use apt-file |
| 19:54.36 | boudiccas | abrotman; you mean umount as sudo? then mount using the line from fstab? just seeing if i understand you |
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| 19:55.37 | abrotman | boudiccas: i didn't say anything about sudo ... but however you need to do it .. but you can then just `mount /mount/point/` and it should pick it up from the fstab |
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| 19:55.52 | boudiccas | abrotman; ah, right. thanks |
| 19:56.12 | DammitJim | lol |
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| 19:56.20 | DammitJim | I actually just found a conky script |
| 19:56.21 | DammitJim | thanks |
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| 19:56.46 | thewanderer1 | yeah, ok... I'm trying to compile a kernel module but it fails with: include/linux/types.h:4:23: error: asm/types.h: No such file or directory |
| 19:56.55 | ix_ | boudiccas, what are you trying to mount? |
| 19:57.55 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: Mozilla is playing silly games with the version numbers to get "ahead" of the other browsers. |
| 19:58.49 | ix_ | they are just trying to copy the chrome system |
| 19:59.20 | thewanderer1 | where does the build expect asm/types.h to be? O.o |
| 19:59.20 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: is that what it is, just seems like every few weeks someones asking to install the next version of firefox. |
| 19:59.46 | jhutchins_wk | boudiccas: Actually, if you use the USB applet in your desktop to "safely remove" or eject it, then unplug and plug it back in, that should test the rule. |
| 20:00.01 | jhutchins_wk | boudiccas: You can also mount all of the defined items in fstab with mount -a |
| 20:00.39 | somiaj | though I'd use a uuid as opposed to /dev/sdb1 for the entry in fstab (if you have multiple usb drives no reason that one loads up as /dev/sdb each time you boot) |
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| 20:01.45 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: To be fair they have done some significant improvements since the stock versions. There's a lot more difference between 3.5 and 7 than between 3 and 3.5. |
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| 20:02.48 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: I just stoped tracking firefox/iceweasle when I found chromium more to my liking. |
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| 20:07.00 | boudiccas | um, how do you create a folder in /media/8eef3b99-c17b-4913-ae61-d34c7fd5d459 please from the command line? i've tried make, or create but i'm just guessing |
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| 20:09.29 | dontbe | mkdir -p /the/new/path |
| 20:09.54 | dontbe | or sudo mkdir |
| 20:09.59 | boudiccas | ah, right. thanks |
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| 20:13.42 | cahoot | mount with a reasonable name? |
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| 20:15.21 | sekt0r | I have a webcam "Genius FaceCam 300" but when i'm trying to use it with cheese i'm getting "no device found" |
| 20:15.41 | sekt0r | after doing lsusb i got this |
| 20:15.52 | sekt0r | Bus 003 Device 004: ID 093a:2627 Pixart Imaging, Inc. |
| 20:15.56 | cahoot | sekt0r, finbd its usbid (lsusb) |
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| 20:16.28 | cahoot | ,pciid 093a:2627 |
| 20:16.30 | judd | [093a:2627] is 'Unknown device' from 'PixArt Imaging Inc.' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=093a:2627 |
| 20:16.33 | dod_ | i put "blacklist nouveau" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf but the module is still loaded after a boot. how can i troubleshoot this, please? |
| 20:17.30 | cahoot | rebuilt the initramfs? |
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| 20:17.38 | dod_ | me? |
| 20:17.43 | cahoot | yes |
| 20:17.48 | dod_ | how do i do that? |
| 20:17.56 | cahoot | !blacklist |
| 20:17.56 | dpkg | In lenny and later, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
| 20:18.11 | cahoot | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 20:18.11 | dpkg | If your kernel uses an initramfs image (e.g. Debian stock kernel images), you need to run 'update-initramfs -u' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf |
| 20:18.12 | boudiccas | right, i have this line in my fstab ......... /dev/sdb1 /media/8eef3b99-c17b-4913-ae61-d34c7fd5d459 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 .... but as user i cannot mkdir there, it says ......... mkdir: cannot create directory `/media/8eef3b99-c17b-4913-ae61-d34c7fd5d459/test': Permission denied ......... what am i missing please to get it user writable? |
| 20:18.34 | dod_ | ewww, what a trap |
| 20:18.37 | dod_ | thank you cahoot |
| 20:18.51 | cahoot | np |
| 20:19.07 | dontbe | boudiccas: the mount point perms maybe |
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| 20:19.44 | boudiccas | dontbe; arent they ... rw,user,noauto .......? |
| 20:19.58 | sekt0r | judd, i'm using wheezy |
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| 20:20.14 | dontbe | boudiccas: mean the mode of the mount point, not the fstab options |
| 20:20.15 | boudiccas | sekt0r; judd is a bot |
| 20:20.17 | jmd | Which pacakge provides /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p |
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| 20:20.56 | dod_ | this nouveau module is still loaded. hmmm |
| 20:21.05 | boudiccas | dontbe; it mounts okay, and its readable by user. i dont understand what you're saying? |
| 20:21.23 | cahoot | jmd, the alsamodules in the kernel |
| 20:21.30 | dontbe | boudiccas: can the user read? |
| 20:21.38 | boudiccas | dontbe; yes |
| 20:21.59 | Paul_E | Hi all. How can I disable all console logging so that on startup/shutdown no messages are sent to console? |
| 20:22.09 | dontbe | if the user can't write, look to that rights in the mount point |
| 20:22.18 | jmd | cahoot, I have alsa-base installed. Shouldn't that do the job? |
| 20:22.32 | dontbe | boudiccas: or if you're using some auto-mounting, maybe add tour user to the plugdev group, and re-log-in |
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| 20:23.40 | abrotman | Paul_E: that's a strange request ... why ? |
| 20:23.41 | jhutchins_wk | If Gnome is mounting it I think you have to set the perms in gconf. |
| 20:23.53 | dontbe | Paul_E: if bios can redirect to serial, you can use that for boot, and then enable ttys from fstab |
| 20:23.56 | dod_ | how do i disable that KDE loads on boot? |
| 20:24.03 | abrotman | dod_: you mean KDM ? |
| 20:24.06 | Paul_E | abrotman: setting up a linux kiosk and don't want user to see any messages on console |
| 20:24.08 | boudiccas | dontbe; no, its mounting from fstab, not automatically. i dont understand what you're saying about " look to that rights in the mount point"? |
| 20:24.11 | dod_ | errr, yeah, KDM |
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| 20:24.27 | jhutchins_wk | Paul_E: User shouldn't be seeing a kiosk boot anyway. |
| 20:24.36 | abrotman | Paul_E: honestly .. i'd probably use something like plymouth so it appears to be doing something so they don't keep hitting reset |
| 20:24.36 | dontbe | Paul_E: other than that, there is a "quiet" grub parameter, a variable for initramfs verbosity and you can do "clean > /etc/issue" |
| 20:24.36 | boudiccas | jhutchins; no, Gnome is not mounting automatically, its now being mounted from fstab |
| 20:24.44 | abrotman | !tell dod_ about nodm |
| 20:24.51 | dod_ | thank you |
| 20:25.03 | jhutchins_wk | boudiccas: iirc it's mounting from udev on connect. |
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| 20:25.20 | Paul_E | abrotman: I am using plymouth, however during logout (which I do upon xscreensaver kicking in) console is briefly displayed. |
| 20:25.41 | boudiccas | jhutchins; i've just added it to fstab and verified it works, so when i reboot it will be mounted from fstab |
| 20:25.47 | abrotman | Paul_E: wait .. why does the console display when the screensaver starts ? |
| 20:25.52 | Paul_E | abrotman: sorry, that should have been upon xscreensaver stopping. |
| 20:26.15 | dontbe | boudiccas: your mount point (/media/weird-uid) is not writable nither by your user ID, neither by your user groups |
| 20:26.36 | Paul_E | abrotman: autologin gdm with web browser. Upon xscreensaver clearing, user is logged out. At this point, console messages are shown while user is again logged in |
| 20:26.43 | boudiccas | dontbe; yes, thats the problem, and i dont know how to solve it, hence me asking |
| 20:26.44 | dontbe | (if I've understand ok) |
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| 20:27.12 | abrotman | Paul_E: still sounds wrong .. but anyway ... |
| 20:27.27 | abrotman | Paul_E: so you don't want any console stuff? or just not messages ? |
| 20:27.33 | abrotman | not boot messages |
| 20:27.39 | Paul_E | abrotman: no idea :) But would be happy to modify any of that to not show a bunch of seemingly random console stuff on screen while the screen is logged in. |
| 20:28.09 | Paul_E | abrotman: Just want user experience to be void of any brief text appearing on the screen during that screensaver off/gdm login period |
| 20:28.24 | dontbe | boudiccas: ls -l /media should tell you the directory mode and owners... you can change the group of the dir, i.e. chown root:groupname /media/lalala, and then chmod 775 /media/lalala |
| 20:28.35 | Paul_E | abrotman: My first approach was ---well those are console messages, maybe we can just stop console messages entirely. |
| 20:28.57 | boudiccas | dontbe; k, thanks |
| 20:29.01 | abrotman | Paul_E: i'd concentrate on fixing why the screensaver logsout .. still doesn't make sense |
| 20:29.46 | Paul_E | abrotman: that's intentional. the idea is if a user leaves console and hasn't logged out (they may be using for transactions, login, etc.), when the next user moves the mouse, it will log out the session to reset it. |
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| 20:30.23 | Paul_E | abrotman: I have a perl script running in the background looking for xscreensaver status to clear. when it sees that, it logs out kiosk user, effectively resetting the browser session as it's all reset upon login. |
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| 20:30.37 | abrotman | Paul_E: well, why not just have it log them out as soon as the screen saver kicks in instead of waiting for the mouse to move ? |
| 20:30.54 | abrotman | Paul_E: seems like it would solve your problem ? |
| 20:31.04 | ompaul | idled and pkill -u and something else |
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| 20:31.18 | Paul_E | abrotman: thought of that, however that makes the screensaver not kick in. and you still see the console messages if you manually log out. |
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| 20:31.57 | dod_ | turns out thatif KDM and KDE load the NOUVEAU module is loaded even when you blacklist it |
| 20:32.10 | dod_ | now that sucks |
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| 20:32.50 | dontbe | dod_: you can purge the driver |
| 20:32.59 | dontbe | then X should load only available drivers |
| 20:33.10 | dontbe | :) |
| 20:33.26 | abrotman | dod_: in squeeze? |
| 20:33.39 | dod_ | in "testing" |
| 20:33.45 | abrotman | dod_: file a bug, that shouldn't happen |
| 20:33.46 | jelly-home | dontbe: then you haven't blacklisted in well enough (shouldn't happen) |
| 20:33.52 | dod_ | thanks! |
| 20:34.00 | jelly-home | TABBLAH |
| 20:34.17 | dontbe | i've seen the same here with squeeze |
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| 20:34.57 | jelly-home | "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" worked for me on testing |
| 20:34.59 | dod_ | ah, Wheezy is the name. i keep forgetting... |
| 20:35.06 | dontbe | blacklist it, dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-mine, reboot, xorg loads nouveau and the driver gets loaded (after checking it unloaded before startx) |
| 20:35.08 | babilen | dod_: Make sure you update your initramfs |
| 20:35.18 | dontbe | apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, never more got loaded |
| 20:35.26 | dod_ | babilen, yep! cahoot introduced me into that secret :) |
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| 20:35.55 | dod_ | into? to? hmmm |
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| 20:36.38 | abrotman | dod_: please don't do what dontbe is telling you .. not a good solution |
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| 20:36.47 | jhutchins_wk | Paul_E: Othere than the ugly, why do you think the console messages are a problem? |
| 20:36.50 | juniorsa | Hi, what would be the easiest way to start apache2 after mysql? (squeeze) |
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| 20:37.01 | Paul_E | jhutchins_wk: only the ugly. |
| 20:37.10 | abrotman | juniorsa: change the lsb tags to make it dependent on it |
| 20:37.17 | ws2k3 | how can i stop lfd to send e-mails? |
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| 20:37.28 | jhutchins_wk | Paul_E: I think rc.local runs between startup and X, you could do a clearscreen. |
| 20:37.39 | juniorsa | abrotman: huh - sorry I don't follow |
| 20:37.44 | Paul_E | jhutchins_wk: this is a public facing kiosk, so I want to keep everything nice and shiny. |
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| 20:38.15 | dod_ | hmmm |
| 20:38.37 | ElDiabolo | juniorsa, Do you have parallel boot? |
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| 20:38.48 | boudiccas | dontbe; ls -l /media gives ......... drwxr-xr-x 182 root root 12288 Dec 20 21:42 8eef3b99-c17b-4913-ae61-d34c7fd5d459 .......... so to get it in the user group i need ........ chown root:user /media/lalala ........., and then chmod ? just checking that i understand and get the steps you're advocating ? |
| 20:38.48 | jhutchins_wk | Paul_E: You could try something like splashy. Doesn't work for me and no idea what it does on GDM reload, but it might work. |
| 20:38.51 | juniorsa | no parallel boot |
| 20:39.13 | jhutchins_wk | Paul_E: Othere than that, you could try one of the other dm's and see if it does a better job of preserving the GUI. |
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| 20:39.22 | ws2k3 | how can i stop lfd to send e-mails? |
| 20:39.58 | Paul_E | jhutchins_wk: trying the "clear" now. |
| 20:40.05 | jelly-home | ws2k3: what is lfd |
| 20:40.20 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: What is lfd? Why would you have to stop it if you wanted to send mail? |
| 20:40.44 | Paul_E | jhutchins_wk: Brilliant. putting "clear" in rc.local did the trick. |
| 20:41.01 | ws2k3 | login faulre deamon |
| 20:41.08 | jhutchins_wk | W00t! |
| 20:41.09 | ws2k3 | i dont want it do send mail |
| 20:41.11 | ElDiabolo | juniorsa, Sorry, no real idea on how exactly to do that with sysv init. |
| 20:41.17 | jelly-home | ws2k3: which package is it part of? |
| 20:41.18 | abrotman | !tell juniorsa about lsb tags |
| 20:41.21 | ws2k3 | csf |
| 20:41.29 | jelly-home | ,versions csf |
| 20:41.30 | judd | No package named 'csf' was found in i386. |
| 20:41.42 | jelly-home | ws2k3: are you sure that's a package from Debian? |
| 20:41.46 | ws2k3 | http://configserver.com/cp/csf.html |
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| 20:41.50 | ws2k3 | no |
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| 20:41.56 | jelly-home | ws2k3: ask the configserver people. |
| 20:42.02 | ws2k3 | lol |
| 20:42.06 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: How are we supposed to know how to fix it then? |
| 20:42.07 | ElDiabolo | juniorsa, Maybe read http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts if you are interested |
| 20:42.09 | ws2k3 | its an opensource firewall based on iptables |
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| 20:42.19 | dod_ | YAY! it finally works :D |
| 20:42.25 | ws2k3 | there are more scripts that use ldf in linux |
| 20:42.52 | jelly-home | ws2k3: if it's not well known and it's not in Debian... consult the docs or ask the authors |
| 20:43.16 | ElDiabolo | n8 |
| 20:43.36 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: If it's not a Debian package we don't have a way of supporting it for you, but if it's a legitimate linux package it should have a man page, possibly for it's configuration, and it should have documentation in /usr/share/docs/csf |
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| 20:45.07 | boudiccas | dontbe; root:user is not a valid group, and neither is user:user. so where do i go from there then please? |
| 20:45.53 | dontbe | grep user /etc/group users:x:100: |
| 20:46.02 | dontbe | maybe you lack the "s" ? |
| 20:46.12 | dontbe | and your user need to be in such group |
| 20:46.40 | dontbe | debian creates a group with your user name by default, if only you're using the machine.... chown root:you foo |
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| 20:48.23 | boudiccas | dontbe; k, thanks done that bit, now for chmod |
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| 20:49.06 | talexb | Why does upgrading libc6 break locales? |
| 20:49.12 | GordonFreeman | oops i did cat /dev/mem as root |
| 20:50.49 | jelly-home | talexb: both packages come from the same glibc/eglibc source |
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| 20:51.08 | cmyers | does anyone remember off the top of their head how to disable a laptop's built-in keyboard without disabling an external USB keyboard? (X, deb. sid, etc) |
| 20:51.13 | boudiccas | dontbe; thanks, its now writable by user as shown in ls -l /media |
| 20:51.20 | talexb | jelly-home, So should I upgrade locales as well? |
| 20:51.38 | boudiccas | dontbe; and i've just created a test directory on it by the command line |
| 20:51.43 | jelly-home | talexb: you ought to keep them matched, yes |
| 20:51.59 | jelly-home | talexb: which debian release are you using? |
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| 20:52.20 | talexb | 6.0.3 -- with the 2.6.39 kernel. |
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| 20:52.59 | jelly-home | ,versions libc6 |
| 20:53.01 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-2; wheezy: 2.13-21; sid: 2.13-23 |
| 20:54.04 | talexb | jelly-home, Thanks for that. Back after coffee. |
| 20:54.51 | jhutchins_wk | usually computes in parallel with coffee, not sequentially. |
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| 20:55.41 | smeezer | so let me start off by saying I tried to search the forums but after checking a couple pages it told me I couldn't search more at this time |
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| 20:56.27 | smeezer | wtf wrong channel lol |
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| 20:57.34 | pythonsnake | Can we upgrade python to 2.7 on squeeze? |
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| 20:58.30 | jelly-home | pythonsnake: no. |
| 20:59.11 | pythonsnake | Hmm |
| 21:00.05 | pythonsnake | Is it safe to take it from experimental? |
| 21:00.08 | wm4 | it's always funny what crap apt-get dist-upgrade tends to install |
| 21:00.15 | wm4 | like now, it pulled in the citadel server |
| 21:00.16 | jelly-home | pythonsnake: nope. |
| 21:00.29 | pythonsnake | :( |
| 21:00.41 | cmyers | figured it out - to disable keyboards/mouses in X indivdually... check out http://formyhelp.blogspot.com/2011/06/disabling-enabling-keyboard-and-mouse.html |
| 21:00.43 | jelly-home | ,versions python2.7 |
| 21:00.44 | judd | Package: python2.7 on i386 -- wheezy: 2.7.2-8; sid: 2.7.2-9 |
| 21:00.55 | wm4 | and I don't even know why... |
| 21:01.31 | jelly-home | pythonsnake: build your own in, dunno, /opt/python2.7 prefix. Or use a wheezy chroot? |
| 21:02.34 | MichelleZ | pythonsnake, you could also try a manual backport, pull the unstable source and build it against stable, may have to tweak some stuff but possible |
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| 21:03.49 | pythonsnake | jelly said that it's not safe |
| 21:03.54 | wm4 | ok when trying to compile a kernel (3.1.6) with make-kpkg, I eventually get this error message: make: *** Documentation/lguest: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 21:04.06 | jelly-home | pythonsnake, MichelleZ: it's VERY not safe |
| 21:04.22 | wm4 | how to fix this? |
| 21:04.42 | jelly-home | pythonsnake: all the /usr/bin/python dependent packages assume it's not going to change under their feet |
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| 21:04.57 | jelly-home | pythonsnake: that pretty much means all the python software in squeeze |
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| 21:05.29 | lasers | What browser do you use? I'm curious because I like Chromium and use lucid's ppa for that. I wanted to know if that's the way to go or do you compile it yourself? |
| 21:05.57 | shicy | you have it in repos |
| 21:06.14 | MichelleZ | jelly-home, meh good point, so it would be qutie a non trival backport requiring all deps to be done too |
| 21:06.15 | lasers | Terribly outdated. |
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| 21:06.23 | jelly-home | lasers: Chrome from Google, Firefox from Mozilla, Opera from Opera and sometimes Iceweasel from mozilla.debian.net |
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| 21:06.53 | pythonsnake | what about having 2 pythons jelly-home |
| 21:07.06 | jelly-home | pythonsnake: what about it! |
| 21:07.17 | lasers | jelly-home: I see. I could make do with Chrome but I'd like Chromium.... without Google stuffs. |
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| 21:07.49 | pythonsnake | is it possible? jelly-home |
| 21:07.52 | jelly-home | lasers: I prefer stuff from upstream than random builds made for wrong distros <g> |
| 21:08.00 | jelly-home | pythonsnake: definitely yes |
| 21:08.07 | pythonsnake | is it .. safe? |
| 21:08.11 | jelly-home | pythonsnake: else I would not have suggested it |
| 21:08.22 | lasers | jelly-home: Got it! |
| 21:08.35 | pythonsnake | ah, /opt/python2.7 prefix? |
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| 21:08.50 | jelly-home | or wherever you want it |
| 21:08.55 | jelly-home | just not in /usr |
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| 21:12.30 | alabd | Good day all , which debian kernel do you advice to be used ? |
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| 21:13.58 | alabd | do you advice linux kernel or freebsd download ? |
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| 21:14.39 | abrotman | alabd: huh? you should already know which you want |
| 21:15.09 | alabd | how ? |
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| 21:16.02 | pythonsnake | thanks jelly-home |
| 21:16.20 | alabd | abrotman: don't know what is their specifications |
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| 21:17.14 | Joelito | question: how to change the mouse theme automatically without have to reboot or logout? I'm not using neither of the popular DE |
| 21:17.14 | jhutchins_wk | alabd: I would say if you have to ask use the standard one. |
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| 21:17.46 | alabd | jhutchins_wk: what do you mean |
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| 21:18.31 | jhutchins_wk | alabd: Use the regular linux kernel. You'll have less to mess with and be able to learn about the system. When you know enoguh to know how and why you can try the BSD stuff. |
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| 21:19.40 | alabd | ok thanks is there any new Book for debian ? |
| 21:20.43 | jhutchins_wk | alabd: Not really, there's a wiki |
| 21:20.56 | jhutchins_wk | !wiki |
| 21:21.06 | alabd | enough ? |
| 21:21.33 | jhutchins_wk | !debian wiki |
| 21:21.34 | dpkg | The Debian wiki (http://wiki.debian.org/) is a support and documentation resource for the Debian project. For information about the wiki itself, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki . Wiki bugs are documented in the <BTS>, see http://bugs.debian.org/wiki.debian.org |
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| 21:22.03 | jhutchins_wk | Then there's http://tldp.org for more general linux information. (A lot of their stuff is RedHat based.) |
| 21:23.06 | alabd | ok thank you |
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| 21:24.37 | hikenboot1 | how do i specify which kernel source to compile with it seems to be overridden somewhere its not taking /usr/src/linux as the default |
| 21:24.49 | Benkinooby | hi, this script http://pastebin.com/cUG7r8ha should tune in a web radio using mplyaer in a new terminal. i want to log the ICY info (interprets) to a file, but the script only creats the file, without writing anything to it. what's wrong? |
| 21:24.52 | phorce1 | would a live dd of my root/boot drive cause any issues with the copy (80 GB /dev/sdb contains /, /boot, and a swap partition. I want to dd it to another 80 GB drive before upgrading this system to Squeeze. /home and other data type stuff are all mounted on other drives) |
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| 21:25.35 | jhutchins_wk | Benkinooby: Maybe the log is stderr instead of stdout |
| 21:26.00 | jhutchins_wk | phorce1: NOT the right way to do it. |
| 21:26.17 | jhutchins_wk | phorce1: Boot to a live CD instead, then copy it. |
| 21:26.18 | Benkinooby | jhutchins_wk, no... if i run that script, i see the info i want in the terminal |
| 21:26.42 | jhutchins_wk | Benkinooby: Both stderr and stdout go to the console. |
| 21:26.56 | phorce1 | jhutchins_wk: OK, just wondering. That was my plan but I'm on this bx 24/7 and was trying to reduce downtime |
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| 21:27.51 | jhutchins_wk | Benkinooby: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-3.html http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/io-redirection.html |
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| 21:29.05 | phorce1 | I put root and boot on a separate drive specifically to make upgrades less hazardous |
| 21:29.07 | jhutchins_wk | phorce1: Don't bother dd'ing the swap. |
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| 21:30.24 | phorce1 | jhutchins_wk: I plann to 'dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdk' so if something blows up during the upgrade I can just replace the drive with the copy and be back where I started |
| 21:32.09 | jhutchins_wk | phorce1: Do it by partition instead. |
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| 21:33.50 | phorce1 | is lazy and full drive dd ensures all partitions are done and useable (LOL) |
| 21:35.07 | wm4 | so I put an additional patch into the debian/patches directory of a source package; how do I get dpkg-buildpackage to apply it? |
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| 21:36.23 | phorce1 | jhutchins_wk: doing it by partition will only save minutes. I'm not THAT worried about downtime. Only things that would save me hours (like the fact that I built a squeeze mirror on a local drive for the upgrade) |
| 21:37.34 | phorce1 | The machine does what I want (mostly). I'm only upgrading because Lenny is reaching OEL |
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| 21:37.45 | phorce1 | s/OEL/EOL/ |
| 21:38.05 | dondelelcaro | wm4: it has to be in the series file too |
| 21:38.18 | wm4 | dondelelcaro: right, missed that |
| 21:38.30 | dondelelcaro | wm4: generally speaking, that's probably done using quilt, too, not just manually editing the files |
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| 21:40.32 | valeriusN | hi all |
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| 21:40.59 | wm4 | now a second invocation of dpkg-buildpackage tells me there are local changes |
| 21:41.04 | wm4 | (in the source tree) |
| 21:41.12 | wm4 | but I haven't done anything, the debian script did this |
| 21:41.36 | valeriusN | Where the libSDL settings are stored? It starts in a framebuffer console, how to change the SDL backend to be X11 one? |
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| 21:42.19 | wm4 | valeriusN: AFAIK libsdl selects that automatically, unless you use SDL specific environment variables |
| 21:42.35 | dondelelcaro | wm4: presumably because you've applied the patch or similar, and haven't removed it, or you haven't used the right -i option to dpkg-source, or similar |
| 21:43.14 | valeriusN | wm4, I start an SDL app in xterm, but the app starts still in framebuffer console |
| 21:43.22 | wm4 | dondelelcaro: no, these were changes unrelated to the patch I added; neither the patched file nor the patch itself were included in the list of changes the output provided me |
| 21:43.50 | Benkinooby | jhutchins_wk, i thik the problem lies in the fact that i am opening a new terminal with my script and i don't know how to access the stout of that new terminal |
| 21:43.50 | hikenboot1 | how do i grab the latest git stable from a repository..? git clone gets everything right? |
| 21:43.52 | wm4 | and by "list of changes" I mean the diff file the output of dpkg-buildpackage mentioned |
| 21:44.12 | dondelelcaro | wm4: show the output |
| 21:44.21 | hikenboot1 | I downloaded from a git yesterday and it compiled fine..but today it does not |
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| 21:44.35 | wm4 | valeriusN: are you sure that libsdl is built with X support? |
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| 21:45.25 | valeriusN | wm4, not sure -- installed it from debian packages. Maybe, I need to install some extra package? |
| 21:46.02 | wm4 | dondelelcaro: contents of the diff file the script printed http://pastebin.com/EmjvdbUY |
| 21:46.39 | dondelelcaro | wm4: that's not the output from dpkg-source |
| 21:46.43 | wm4 | valeriusN: do other X apps start from that xterm? have you set some environment vars? do other SDL apps expose the same problem? |
| 21:46.48 | wm4 | dondelelcaro: as I said |
| 21:47.13 | wm4 | dondelelcaro: anyway, I "solved" the problem by typing dpkg-source --commit |
| 21:47.17 | dondelelcaro | wm4: the output from dpkg-buildpackage will give you the error output from dpkg-source, which will tell you what was modified |
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| 21:48.16 | rly | How can I set key repetition speed? |
| 21:48.25 | rly | (independent of the DE, if possible) |
| 21:48.27 | dondelelcaro | rly: xset r |
| 21:48.31 | dondelelcaro | rly: man xset for details |
| 21:48.38 | rly | dondelelcaro: is that what Gnome uses under the hood? |
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| 21:49.18 | wm4 | rly: DEs use their own crap |
| 21:49.34 | wm4 | rly: they'll override your settings on restart or when they please |
| 21:49.49 | wm4 | so it's best to adjust the DE's setting, not using xset |
| 21:50.46 | dondelelcaro | xset is actually where it's set, but yes, DEs have been known to just set it |
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| 21:51.16 | valeriusN | wm4, yes, other X11 apps start from that xterm. Don't know about env vars. But installed libsdl1.2debian-all package (all option enabled), and no effect |
| 21:51.43 | wm4 | valeriusN: what is your SDL app, and do other SDL apps work? |
| 21:52.56 | valeriusN | wm4, that app is qemu. there is another sdl app, it starts only in framebuffer console, too |
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| 21:54.28 | wm4 | valeriusN: you can try setting the SDL backend explicitly http://wiki.libsdl.org/moin.cgi/FAQUsingSDL |
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| 21:56.33 | Bublik2002 | is there an unofficial live image other there that comes with firmware non-free? |
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| 21:58.12 | streuner | yes |
| 21:58.24 | Bublik2002 | streuner: where can i find it? |
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| 21:59.14 | streuner | LIVE-CD or Debian Installer? |
| 21:59.31 | Bublik2002 | a live cd that i can install from |
| 21:59.33 | Bublik2002 | not a netinstall |
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| 22:00.27 | jhutchins_wk | Benkinooby: See if chvt will do anything useful for you. |
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| 22:02.04 | streuner | Bublik2002: try /msg dpkg firmware iso or/and /msg dpkg firmware netinstal |
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| 22:08.23 | Benkinooby | jhutchins_wk, uuuhhhh... interesting! will work on that, thank you! |
| 22:08.57 | Bublik2002 | streuner: im talking about a dvd install that already has firmware |
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| 22:09.45 | wm4 | now make-kpkg is aborting with "install: cannot change owner and permissions of `/tmp/linux-3.1.6/debian/linux-image-3.1.6/etc/kernel/postinst.d': Operation not permitted" |
| 22:09.47 | wm4 | what??? |
| 22:09.48 | Benkinooby | jhutchins_wk, hm... i guess that will not work for urxvt (they are terminal emulators :( ) |
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| 22:09.58 | wm4 | do I have to run this as root? |
| 22:10.10 | wm4 | and how often do I have to rerun this crap |
| 22:10.48 | jhutchins_wk | Benkinooby: No idea, but then you get into the window manager code too. |
| 22:11.48 | Benkinooby | jhutchins_wk, hm... ok, thank you anyway... your hits were very interestiong, althought they didn't help me at that specific problem... i'll bookmark them ;) |
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| 22:14.15 | tnks | I encountered a team at work that was installing RPMs on one system, and use NFS to avoid redundant installation costs |
| 22:14.41 | tnks | but it's turned into a nightmare because they're not thinking about the FHS, and applications have variable data all over the place. |
| 22:14.58 | tnks | is NFS mounting for this purpose common? |
| 22:16.04 | tnks | personally, I'd rather just use Puppet/Chef/whatever to just install everything on each node, even if the work is redundant |
| 22:16.15 | tnks | for the flexibility and control. |
| 22:16.25 | tnks | (just curious what people thought) |
| 22:16.49 | kgoetz | tnks: node? doing HPC? |
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| 22:17.20 | kgoetz | tnks: and yes, its relatively common, in HPC (but i susepct the quality of the implimentation varies a lot) |
| 22:17.46 | tnks | kgoetz: you're using HPC as "high performance computing", right? |
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| 22:18.07 | tnks | this isn't HPC, so much as a cloud computing project of some scale and complexity. |
| 22:18.09 | kgoetz | yes |
| 22:18.17 | kgoetz | ah right |
| 22:18.31 | tnks | I don't think there's much to the problem that's high-performance specific, though. |
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| 22:19.04 | kgoetz | my last work NFS shared all our applications (other then the OS and its utilities) |
| 22:19.31 | tnks | right. I guess that's fine, maybe. |
| 22:19.42 | blocktree | what you do if you wireless is connected but you cannot ping and get ip from dhcp and you cannot find answer using google..? |
| 22:19.53 | tnks | Tomcat is /wrong/ for this model, though. |
| 22:19.58 | kgoetz | blocktree: ask on irc? |
| 22:20.25 | tnks | they bent over backwards trying get it to not write to the file system |
| 22:20.33 | tnks | or rather, write to a different place. |
| 22:20.44 | blocktree | kgoetz: :-) right... 2 hours...and still nothing... |
| 22:20.55 | tnks | anyway, frustrated, venting. . . |
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| 22:21.23 | kgoetz | tnks: some apps suck, thats all there is to it |
| 22:21.36 | kgoetz | blocktree: pastebin 'lspci && lsusb' |
| 22:22.04 | blocktree | its D-Link System DWA-140 RangeBooster N Adapter .. any hints... ? i have done this zillion times but not today and with this adapter |
| 22:22.34 | kgoetz | blocktree: pastebin 'lspci && lsusb' |
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| 22:23.29 | blocktree | kgoetz: http://pastebin.com/mNPs4ieM |
| 22:24.33 | kgoetz | dpkg: RT2870 |
| 22:24.34 | dpkg | rt2870sta is the vendor driver for Ralink 802.11n/g USB (RT2070, RT2770, RT2870, RT3070, RT3071, RT3072) wireless LAN devices, included as a staging driver (amd64, i386 only) in Debian 2.6.32 kernel images. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta . Disabled in Debian kernel images post-Squeeze and removed at Linux 3.0, ask me about <rt2800usb>. |
| 22:24.40 | kgoetz | blocktree: do you have the firmware? ^^ |
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| 22:25.06 | jhutchins_wk | Wonder why it's disabled. |
| 22:25.15 | blocktree | kgoetz: yes I do... |
| 22:25.32 | blocktree | kgoetz: I can scan and see my wireless |
| 22:25.37 | jhutchins_wk | I guess the usb replaces it? |
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| 22:25.54 | blocktree | kgoetz: and I beleive that is is connected...I got light on... |
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| 22:27.00 | kgoetz | blocktree: do you have any output in syslog/kern.log/dmesg which might help you diagnose it? anything about the wifi/network manager (if uin use) etc |
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| 22:27.08 | blocktree | kgoetz: http://pastebin.com/5rWcXyK4 |
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| 22:27.25 | blocktree | kgoetz: one sec... |
| 22:27.44 | Bublik2002 | i just tried to do a firmware-netinstall and for some reason it doesnt recognize my firmware.... the card is iwl3945... how do i get it to work so i can connect to my wireless network? |
| 22:28.27 | blocktree | kgoetz: dmesg.0:[ 94.100000] wlan0: direct probe to AP 00:50:7f:62:68:50 timed out |
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| 22:29.12 | jhutchins_wk | !iwl3945 |
| 22:29.13 | dpkg | iwlwifi is a driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 3945 and WiFi Link 4965 devices since Lenny. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. If upgrading from Etch, see http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi to switch from ipw3945 to iwl3945. See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 22:29.34 | blocktree | kgoetz: it all looks good : http://pastebin.com/mwGdwLRE |
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| 22:30.30 | jhutchins_wk | !tell Bublik2002 about installer firmwarae |
| 22:30.35 | jhutchins_wk | !tell Bublik2002 about installer firmware |
| 22:31.17 | Bublik2002 | jutch i have the firmware image on my usb stick... shouldnt the iwlwifi be on that already? |
| 22:32.09 | kgoetz | blocktree: using network-manager? |
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| 22:32.24 | kgoetz | blocktree: make sure 'require ipv6' is disabled (whatever the exact wording is) |
| 22:32.51 | blocktree | kgoetz: no just interfaces file... |
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| 22:33.34 | blocktree | kgoetz: you mean this: dmesg:[ 34.750000] wlan0: no IPv6 routers present |
| 22:33.48 | kgoetz | yes. nm gets a bit funny about v6 |
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| 22:33.55 | Bublik2002 | jhutchins_wk: i have the firmware netinstall image on my usb stick... shouldnt the iwlwifi be on that already? |
| 22:34.10 | blocktree | kgoetz: how do I disable that..? hints? |
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| 22:34.19 | blocktree | kgoetz: pls..:-) |
| 22:34.43 | kgoetz | blocktree: if you are using interfaces it shouldn't fail on missing v6 |
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| 22:34.56 | kgoetz | blocktree: wondering if you can manually set an ip in your routers range then ping the router |
| 22:35.37 | blocktree | kgoetz: that was the scond thing I did...no luck... |
| 22:36.08 | kgoetz | hm |
| 22:36.16 | blocktree | kgoetz: I search net...too.. |
| 22:36.49 | kgoetz | blocktree: does your ap have two mac addys? |
| 22:37.00 | kgoetz | or are you trying to hit two APs? |
| 22:37.01 | kgoetz | dmesg:[ 23.870000] wlan0: direct probe to AP 00:50:7f:62:68:53 (try 1) |
| 22:37.03 | kgoetz | dmesg.0:[ 26.550000] wlan0: direct probe to AP 00:50:7f:62:68:50 (try 1) |
| 22:37.13 | kgoetz | oh, dmesg.0. didn't notice that |
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| 22:38.12 | blocktree | kgoetz: I can setup 4 different wireless networks...now I have just simple WEP with no password just for testing... |
| 22:38.44 | blocktree | kgoetz: and I got luck with this as I can seen that now it is connected .. at least that... |
| 22:38.57 | kgoetz | blocktree: i can't think of any obvious reasons for it to be failing |
| 22:39.04 | kgoetz | blocktree: wep works, wpa doesn't? |
| 22:40.54 | blocktree | kgoetz: well I could not get wpa working so I tested with WEP... let's assume that WPA is working too |
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| 22:41.30 | kgoetz | blocktree: could well be the wpa config causing you problems |
| 22:41.57 | blocktree | kgoetz: anyway I found this: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 22:42.12 | blocktree | kgoetz: so it is supported... |
| 22:42.40 | blocktree | kgoetz: do you recon to remove wpa supplicant? |
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| 22:44.30 | kgoetz | blocktree: perhaps your config is wrong |
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| 22:44.47 | kgoetz | blocktree: you can run it in the forground while debugging, perhaps try itmanually |
| 22:46.41 | blocktree | kgoetz: I did that...I tied connect wit wpa supplicant from command line...I did not see any output at all.. |
| 22:47.10 | koko_ | hello |
| 22:47.22 | kgoetz | bump up the verbosity. iirc the process is run wpa_supplicant with relevant options -> dhclient the interface |
| 22:47.28 | kgoetz | is going afk to find food |
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| 22:53.34 | koko_ | hi |
| 22:55.03 | koko_ | i want to add domain on my debian server |
| 22:55.05 | koko_ | http://pastebin.com/gudmThXt |
| 22:55.35 | koko_ | but i can get it . please what is wrong on my db file ? |
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| 22:59.43 | dgvr | Hi |
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| 23:02.55 | dgvr | Which is better .... Option A: 1 Server with all applications on it and 1 IP address or Option B: multiple servers with multiple IP addresses? |
| 23:03.05 | dondelelcaro | dgvr: depends |
| 23:03.11 | dgvr | aha |
| 23:03.28 | dgvr | Hi donde .. |
| 23:03.40 | thewanderer1 | dgvr, better is multiple OpenVZ or LXC containers on 1 server :P |
| 23:04.08 | dgvr | oh right ... |
| 23:04.28 | thewanderer1 | make it 1 container per service => profit |
| 23:05.05 | dgvr | I need to setup each client with an independent version of their B2B software .... |
| 23:05.31 | thewanderer1 | definitely use containers, then |
| 23:05.43 | dgvr | nice one |
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| 23:07.51 | dgvr | need and email server and content management server open to the net at the same time ... |
| 23:08.33 | dgvr | Better to put these and the b2b all on 1 server with containers? |
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| 23:09.05 | dgvr | ie. better than running separate physical servers with independent public IP addresses? |
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| 23:25.56 | Carve | How would I go about disabling iptables completely upon restart? It was locked with a iptables -F and I'm in a recovery mode remotely and can only access files, anyone have any ideas? |
| 23:26.16 | Carve | I've tried looking in /etc/init.d/iptables (doesn't exist), nor does the other locations I have found on the web |
| 23:28.08 | jhutchins_ltf | Carve: rcconf |
| 23:28.36 | jhutchins_ltf | Carve: Who built it? What firewall package did they install? |
| 23:28.41 | Carve | I'm not logged into the actual system, but a recovery version with the raid mounted |
| 23:29.21 | Carve | So rcconf is useless in this situation correct? |
| 23:29.30 | Carve | is there a way to just override the rules and restart the box or? |
| 23:29.49 | jhutchins_ltf | Carve: -F should disable everything. |
| 23:30.04 | Carve | correct, now I'm connected via a Recovery Console |
| 23:30.10 | Carve | trying to figure how to to reverse that iptables -F |
| 23:30.26 | jhutchins_ltf | Carve: You need to figure out where it's being launched from if you're going to reboot. |
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| 23:30.40 | Carve | Where should I look first? |
| 23:30.43 | darsie | Hi! Which desktop environment(s) would you suggest for an Acer Aspire One D257 netbook (dual core Atom 1,66, 320 GB HD, 1200x600 10.1" LCD, Intel GMA 3150)? It's for a female biology student who is not a nerd. |
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| 23:31.19 | jhutchins_lt | darsie: I run kde on mine. |
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| 23:31.45 | darsie | jhutchins: runs well, I guess? |
| 23:31.46 | jhutchins_lt | darsie: It has some very windows-like options. |
| 23:31.49 | pythonsnake | not a ned? darsie |
| 23:31.52 | pythonsnake | nerd? |
| 23:31.58 | babilen | darsie: Try the usual suspects like gnome, xfce, lxde and kde .. gnome and kde are probably a bit more resource hungry than the other |
| 23:32.15 | pythonsnake | darsie, You can try GNOME. |
| 23:32.17 | jhutchins_lt | darsie: Yeah, runs fine. It has a netbook option but I just use the regular desktop. |
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| 23:32.31 | pythonsnake | jhutchins_lt, bad choice |
| 23:32.36 | jhutchins_lt | darsie: Some people find Gnome easier, less confusing. |
| 23:32.38 | pythonsnake | KDE with Atom? |
| 23:32.40 | dTal | I put the frontend from ubuntu netbook remix on my dad's netbook |
| 23:32.45 | jhutchins_lt | pythonsnake: Works for me. |
| 23:32.53 | dTal | on top of aarch |
| 23:32.53 | jhutchins_lt | pythonsnake: Not a problem. |
| 23:32.54 | pythonsnake | jhutchins_lt, not at max |
| 23:33.02 | darsie | pythonsnake: Well, she doesn't want to use the computer just for it's own sake. |
| 23:33.03 | pythonsnake | and it eats resource. |
| 23:33.11 | jhutchins_lt | pythonsnake: No. FUD. |
| 23:33.17 | pythonsnake | darsie, hmm? |
| 23:33.24 | pythonsnake | jhutchins_lt, fud? |
| 23:33.36 | pythonsnake | fuk u dik? |
| 23:33.39 | jhutchins_lt | pythonsnake: Yes, what you say is untrue and intended to scare people off. |
| 23:33.54 | jhutchins_lt | pythonsnake: Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. |
| 23:33.57 | pythonsnake | I am not a troll. |
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| 23:34.18 | pythonsnake | I've tried KDE 4.7 myself, with an i5 and 4GB. It lags~ |
| 23:34.23 | jhutchins_lt | pythonsnake: I believe the term comes from the October Memo, Microsoft running bad publicity rumors about Linux. |
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| 23:34.39 | Sm0ke0ut | Carve: Give me a few minutes and I'll try to find out where is what saved :) |
| 23:34.39 | jhutchins_lt | pythonsnake: THen it's something you're doing. |
| 23:34.46 | Carve | Thank you so much |
| 23:34.50 | Carve | I'm going crazy here! |
| 23:34.59 | pythonsnake | jhutchins_lt, heh |
| 23:35.10 | jhutchins_lt | Carve: You need to figure out where it's being launched from if you're going to reboot. |
| 23:35.22 | Carve | Where should I look first was my question |
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| 23:35.26 | jhutchins_lt | Carve: dpkg -l | grep "fire" |
| 23:35.29 | babilen | Carve: We can't know how the firewall is configured and in particular not what loads the rules during boot. I would personally use iptables-restore in pre-up for interfaces /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ -- But there are so many other ways, that you just have to look around. |
| 23:35.37 | Sm0ke0ut | Carve: as it looks like: no where |
| 23:35.54 | Sm0ke0ut | the command itself just outputs it to screen, unless you specified a file |
| 23:35.57 | pythonsnake | Hmm |
| 23:36.02 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: I gotta write that down somewhere. |
| 23:36.04 | Carve | I'm not on the actual system, I'm on a recovey system that allowed me to mount the hard drive to /mnt |
| 23:36.15 | Carve | so I can't just iptables-save etc |
| 23:36.20 | jhutchins_lt | Carve: You can run dpkg if you chroot to the drive. |
| 23:36.23 | Carve | although I do have the rules already and stuff saved |
| 23:36.23 | pythonsnake | darsie, use whatever you like. GNOME is Max OSX-like, and KDE is Windows-like. |
| 23:36.27 | Sm0ke0ut | http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?iptables-save+8 |
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| 23:36.35 | pythonsnake | You can also try XFCE, which is a GNOME fork. |
| 23:36.37 | darsie | Ok, it seems we have to try ourselves. Thanks. |
| 23:36.52 | Carve | dpkg -l | grep "fire" returns nothing, I have to chroot the mount? |
| 23:36.53 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep "fire" returns nothing, I have to chroot the mount |
| 23:36.58 | dTal | pythonsnake: is that right? I did not know that |
| 23:37.04 | jhutchins_lt | darsie: I would not recommend XFCE, it's not very windows-like or intuitive. |
| 23:37.07 | pythonsnake | dTal, fork? yes. |
| 23:37.17 | dTal | huh |
| 23:37.39 | darsie | jhutchins_lt: Ok. She's more used to Macs, though. |
| 23:37.44 | babilen | darsie: We really can't tell you what she will like -- I would one of the less resource hungry DEs such as XFCE/LXDE, but if jhutchins_lt can run KDE just fine on that hardware you can use everything. :) |
| 23:37.51 | Sm0ke0ut | Carve: you usually do: iptables-save > file.conf |
| 23:38.01 | Carve | right I have it saved |
| 23:38.07 | Carve | however another person on the box did a iptables -F |
| 23:38.09 | Sm0ke0ut | and in pre-up.d iptables-restore < file.conf |
| 23:38.11 | Carve | and everyone was locked out |
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| 23:38.15 | babilen | Carve: And you use iptables-restore to load them |
| 23:39.12 | babilen | Carve: You can try new rulesets with iptables-apply -- But hang on, I think we got your question wrong. You want to make sure that the rules (which you saved) are loaded when you reboot the system? |
| 23:39.20 | jhutchins_lt | pythonsnake: You're just chock full of misinformation. XFCE has nothing to do with Gnome. It uses GTK like gnome. It's derived from CDE like KDE is. |
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| 23:39.56 | Carve | yes thats correct |
| 23:40.00 | Carve | becase someone did a iptables -F |
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| 23:40.21 | Carve | and now I couldnt connect so I had the datacenter setup a recovery console in which I mounted the drive to /mnt |
| 23:40.24 | Carve | if that makes any sense? |
| 23:40.26 | pythonsnake | Really? jhutchins_lt |
| 23:40.39 | babilen | Carve: Ah, ok. Then just make sure you have a suitable script (nothing fancy, just something that calls iptables-restore) in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ ... |
| 23:40.41 | jhutchins_lt | pythonsnake: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xfce#History |
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| 23:41.02 | Flynn | Hello, folks. |
| 23:41.07 | darsie | What about the 3D cube DE (forgot the name)? Is it handy? is it a stand alone DE, or an add on to another? |
| 23:41.22 | Flynn | I am switching from Mint on my desktop and from Windows on my netbook to Debian on both. |
| 23:41.24 | moogleno1ph | What is an appropriate filesystem for an SSD? Intel, 320 series, 120GB? And, are there any special options I should place in /etc/fstab for it, for optimal lifespan and speed? |
| 23:41.27 | Flynn | It is not hard to switch my desktop. |
| 23:41.31 | jhutchins_lt | Carve: I think http://freedesktop.org has some information on the features of various desktops. |
| 23:41.32 | pythonsnake | Hmm |
| 23:41.44 | Flynn | I am having trouble with my netbook. I am inexperienced with working in a shell, so some of the commands people use are novelties to me. |
| 23:41.46 | Flynn | Any suggestions? |
| 23:41.47 | babilen | darsie: That's compiz and its not really something you want to run on that hardware. (or at all IMHO) |
| 23:41.55 | jhutchins_lt | darsie: : I think http://freedesktop.org has some information on the features of various desktops. (Oops). |
| 23:41.58 | darsie | ok :) |
| 23:42.04 | edju | Failed to eject cdrom because /dev/scd0 is not a block device - and sure enough, it isn't there. lshw doesn't list it either. Also, when booting, I get ata1: SSRT failed errno--16, and modprobe errors --ata2 port disabled, and more. I doubt pieces of hdware are failing at once. Running testing, and this happens no matter which kernel I boot into. Any pointers, etc. appreciated. |
| 23:42.13 | pythonsnake | I thought it was a fork.. http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/j7y7m/linus_switches_to_xfce_calls_for_a_gnome_2_fork/ |
| 23:42.22 | jhutchins_lt | darsie: That kind of feature (compiz, emerald) is not going to do as well on the AO. |
| 23:42.43 | jhutchins_lt | pythonsnake: reddit is not an authoritative source. |
| 23:42.51 | darsie | I just saw it on an AO on youtube ... |
| 23:43.13 | jhutchins_lt | pythonsnake: xfce's roots pre-date linux. |
| 23:43.34 | jhutchins_lt | pythonsnake: You'll note he "calls for" a fork, not "calls it" a fork. |
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| 23:43.49 | babilen | Carve: Note that another mechanism that configures the firewall might still be in place -- Our crystal balls are not that powerful. Something like "aptitude search ~i~dfirewall" after chrooting into the system (or ~diptables) might provide some clues. |
| 23:43.52 | jhutchins_lt | darsie: Well, it might work ok. |
| 23:44.06 | jhutchins_lt | darsie: After all, if it's on YouTube it must be true! |
| 23:44.28 | pythonsnake | Yes |
| 23:44.34 | rryoumaa | what's a nice simple tool i can use to ensure that a program is using the net encrypted? |
| 23:44.47 | quitte | jhutchins_lt: i'm happily using gnome3 on a aoa110 |
| 23:44.50 | darsie | :), well, someone certainly tried it. It just doesn't mean it works well. It did work, though. |
| 23:44.51 | jhutchins_lt | rryoumaa: openssl |
| 23:44.59 | rryoumaa | jhutchins_lt: wow, really? |
| 23:45.12 | jhutchins_lt | quitte: Yeah, they're pretty powerful little boxes. |
| 23:45.14 | babilen | rryoumaa: tor? torify? openssl? -- What are you trying to achieve? |
| 23:45.17 | pythonsnake | Gnome fork means xfce.. hmm I'll check sources reliance from now on. |
| 23:45.22 | rryoumaa | i am not trying to encrypt |
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| 23:45.35 | rryoumaa | i want to find out if a program is using encryption, to make sure it's safe to use the net |
| 23:45.51 | rryoumaa | i just want to see gibberish instead of text i guess |
| 23:46.01 | rryoumaa | or find out the protocols that it uses |
| 23:46.13 | rryoumaa | i.e. i want some type of sniffer or something but i don't want anything too complicated |
| 23:46.18 | dTal | rryoumaa: tcpflow |
| 23:46.37 | dTal | be sure to read its help, it's not too complicated though |
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| 23:47.46 | dTal | just dumps your network traffic to wherever, and unlike tcpdump understands sequence numbers so it assembles them properlyy |
| 23:48.25 | rryoumaa | thanks |
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| 23:50.48 | darsie | How do I install a debian live image on a USB stick? dd if=*.img of=/dev/sdXY? |
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| 23:52.29 | babilen | darsie: You can also use cp or cat ... But why live? (and if: read the chapter on persistence in the live manual) |
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| 23:53.39 | darsie | babilen: Hmm, to try it before we overwrite the preinstalled meego. |
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| 23:54.00 | jhutchins_lt | pythonsnake: Linux stopped using Gnome, started using XFCE, and called for somebody to fork Gnome. |
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| 23:54.14 | pythonsnake | Linux? |
| 23:54.21 | jhutchins_lt | pythonsnake: Mint announced a fork of Gnome today called Cinnamon. |
| 23:54.28 | pythonsnake | ah, linus |
| 23:54.40 | jhutchins_lt | pythonsnake: It's arguable whether Unity counts as a fork of Gnome or a whole new thing (most people think the latter). |
| 23:54.46 | rryoumaa | what happened to gnome? |
| 23:54.47 | pythonsnake | Today? |
| 23:54.50 | jhutchins_lt | Linus. |
| 23:55.00 | pythonsnake | Gonna check it out |
| 23:55.02 | dax | It's arguable whether either of those alternatives are correct. |
| 23:55.02 | darsie | And maybe to try the different desktops. But I guess I could just install all 4 desktops, try them and delete the unused then. I'm just thinking that that might leave some garbage. |
| 23:55.26 | jhutchins_lt | I always hit the x instead of the s by mistake when I mean Linux Torvalds. |
| 23:55.31 | jhutchins_lt | Hah. See? |
| 23:55.55 | rryoumaa | markov chain :) |
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| 23:56.36 | jhutchins_lt | !usb install |
| 23:56.37 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 23:57.57 | pumafyre | jhutchins_lt: have you had a chance to check it out yet? |
| 23:58.21 | jhutchins_lt | darsie: The options are pretty broad: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Desktops - not all of those are available pre-packaged in Debian but they all can be installed. |
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| 23:59.51 | jhutchins_lt | pythonsnake: You might want to check out that site too. |
