| 00:00.38 | jhutchins_lt | pumafyre: No, just saw the announcement various places. I don't know if they've released anything, just announced. |
| 00:01.12 | pumafyre | jhutchins_lt: a friend in another room was asking me about it last night |
| 00:01.26 | pumafyre | jhutchins_lt: I was just wondering if anyone's played with it yet |
| 00:02.30 | jhutchins_lt | http://cinnamon-cms.de/cinnamonclient/vb-desktop-client/the-cinnamon-desktop-client-in-action |
| 00:02.52 | jhutchins_lt | pumafyre: I believe it's only in Mint if it's being distributed anywhere yet |
| 00:03.12 | jhutchins_lt | pumafyre: It's certainly not a Debian project or supported here (for a while at least). |
| 00:03.24 | pumafyre | jhutchins_lt: ahh ok, of course |
| 00:03.34 | pumafyre | jhutchins_lt: i recommended to him that he ask in the mint rooms |
| 00:04.00 | pumafyre | i'm running squeeze so I can't check it out |
| 00:04.11 | Carve | So I created an iptables in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables with the following script; http://bash.cyberciti.biz/security/shell-script-to-stop-linux-firewall/ and after restarting I still get "Connection Refused", any ideas? |
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| 00:04.27 | Carve | I'm locked out of the box itself because someone did a iptables -F |
| 00:04.36 | burnt | hello can somone help me, I deleted a file, done a hex dump : grep and got my data back :) |
| 00:04.42 | burnt | but now in hex dump formta |
| 00:04.53 | burnt | is there a way to convert it back to ascii |
| 00:05.03 | jhutchins_lt | pumafyre: Obviously you could try the standard non-Debian-package approaches, build a package or install from tarball CVS but we wouldn't be able to help much. |
| 00:05.38 | Carve | Could I run that bash script every few minutes or somethjing? |
| 00:05.51 | babilen | Carve: That script completely flushes all rules and chains |
| 00:05.57 | nsadmin | Carve, get someone to reboot it |
| 00:06.00 | Carve | I did |
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| 00:06.17 | Carve | it was hard rebooted with that bash in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables |
| 00:06.18 | nsadmin | was it rebooted yet? |
| 00:06.20 | Carve | and I still get con refused |
| 00:06.21 | Carve | yes |
| 00:06.26 | Carve | should've been |
| 00:06.52 | nsadmin | con refused when you? |
| 00:06.55 | babilen | Carve: Are you sure that the sshd is running? |
| 00:06.59 | babilen | !connection refused |
| 00:06.59 | Carve | try to ssh in |
| 00:06.59 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified IP address at all (e.g. apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 00:07.00 | pumafyre | jhutchins_lt: I know it. I'm happy with what I've got right now. It all works |
| 00:07.04 | Carve | yes |
| 00:07.37 | nsadmin | how can you be sure if you can't get in after a reboot? |
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| 00:07.45 | Carve | woo |
| 00:07.49 | Carve | got it |
| 00:08.02 | Carve | had them do a hard reset via phone |
| 00:08.11 | Carve | thank you guys so much |
| 00:08.38 | babilen | Carve: Well - iptables definitely does no filtering after those commands have been executed. It might be that another script is running *after* the interfaces have been brought up and restores your ruleset. But wouldn't your ruleset allow incoming SSH traffic? |
| 00:08.44 | babilen | Carve: What was it? |
| 00:09.05 | Carve | some 3rd "firewall" that apparently just wrapped iptables in a horrible fashion |
| 00:09.12 | Carve | that coupled with Plesk Firewall crapping on me |
| 00:09.19 | babilen | *shudder* |
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| 00:09.38 | Carve | ya Plesk is more like a rootkit if you ask me |
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| 00:10.22 | Carve | anyway, thanks again everyone |
| 00:10.26 | Carve | Merry Christmas! |
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| 00:11.19 | wm4 | /usr/src/linux-headers-3.0.9/arch/x86/Makefile:39: /usr/src/linux-headers-3.0.9/arch/x86/Makefile_32.cpu: No such file or directory |
| 00:11.25 | wm4 | what shall I do |
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| 00:11.43 | streuner | install linux-headers? |
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| 00:12.13 | wm4 | streuner: this happens when I'm installing the packages produced by make-kpkg, and this includes a package named linux-headers |
| 00:12.15 | streuner | wm4: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 00:12.58 | NoNaMeNo | hi, using a VPN, how do I put the routes to make wget --bind-address work? |
| 00:13.09 | bzed | wm4: why do you build your own kernel if you don't know how to help yourself? are you sure you need your own kernel? |
| 00:13.27 | bzed | wm4: and you should use make deb-pkg these days instead of make-kpkg |
| 00:13.32 | darsie | which network analyser is good to id the process that sends network bursts every minute. |
| 00:13.46 | wm4 | oh great, yet another method of building the kernel |
| 00:14.00 | wm4 | bzed: building my own kernel has proven less painless than using the prebuilt packages |
| 00:14.16 | streuner | like this case? |
| 00:14.18 | trist4n | thats strange. |
| 00:14.26 | bzed | wm4: somehow I doubt that. |
| 00:14.31 | wm4 | anyway, what was wrong is that I passed the linux-image .deb first, and then the linux-headers .deb |
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| 00:15.07 | babilen | wm4: How could compiling your own kernel possibly be more painless than using the prebuilt ones? |
| 00:15.21 | wm4 | babilen: bugs, the way the packages are updated |
| 00:15.25 | trist4n | its kooler |
| 00:15.27 | trist4n | x10 |
| 00:15.37 | wm4 | trist4n: if I wanted to be cool, I'd use arch |
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| 00:15.54 | streuner | omg |
| 00:15.55 | trist4n | that would be hella kool definitely |
| 00:16.44 | dondelelcaro | wm4: which bugs? the only issue you'd possibly have is if an update to a running kernel changed the ABI on you, but that generally doesn't happen |
| 00:16.50 | dondelelcaro | (and it would happen even if you built your own kernel) |
| 00:17.29 | wm4 | dondelelcaro: it doesn't need to change the "ABI", a new build is enough to break resuming with software suspend |
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| 00:18.18 | trist4n | damn those "ABI"s |
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| 00:18.32 | aguitel_ | i am in squeeze ,the item date & time (under preference) have no icon ,how to choose one ? |
| 00:19.43 | wm4 | hm still getting that error when trying to install virtualbox-dkms |
| 00:19.59 | trist4n | upgrade to a packaged kernel |
| 00:20.02 | trist4n | should work |
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| 00:21.17 | wm4 | from the newer ones apparently only 3.1.0 is available |
| 00:21.19 | wm4 | which is old |
| 00:22.20 | trist4n | you were compiling 3.0.9? |
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| 00:23.31 | wm4 | trist4n: 3.0.9 and 3.1.6 |
| 00:23.41 | wm4 | 3.0.9 is newer than 3.1.0 |
| 00:23.47 | wm4 | (probably) |
| 00:25.11 | wm4 | also /etc/apt/preferences can't be parsed if it consists only of comments |
| 00:25.25 | wm4 | whoever wrote the parser for that is a complete dumbass |
| 00:25.32 | hlamer | What is good channel for packaging question? |
| 00:25.52 | Benkinooby | This script will open a mplayer in a new urxvt terminal (so you can control mplayer without running that script from a terminal itself) and safe the ICY info (information about currently player artist and title) into a log file. Enjoy! http://pastebin.com/f8Me9zHG Credits mainly(!) to geirha and Vasistha in #bash |
| 00:26.02 | streuner | hlamer: /msg dpkg mentor |
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| 00:26.08 | Benkinooby | ^ for those who took interest in my problem some time ago |
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| 00:27.39 | rryoumaa | maybe nobody should write parsers for config files. they should all use an embedded language. |
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| 00:27.57 | rryoumaa | a /standard/ one |
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| 00:29.54 | wm4 | it's not like there are existing formats that could be used |
| 00:30.05 | streuner | hlamer: in general, but sometimes you are able to ask these questions here too |
| 00:30.54 | streuner | hlamer: (when DD's are around, which is possible here too) |
| 00:30.55 | hlamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:31.15 | streuner | dpkg, +tell hlamer -about mentor |
| 00:31.16 | dpkg | told hlamer about mentor. |
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| 00:32.34 | wm4 | hm, symlinking the missing Makefile_32.cpu to Makefile didn't work |
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| 00:34.54 | wm4 | how do I stop m-a from using a ncurses "GUI" |
| 00:35.00 | wm4 | I can't copy its error messages this way |
| 00:35.19 | hlamer | Okazaki-san, I don't know who is DD, but I'll try to ask. Ubunto oneiric and probably latest Debian uses /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/lib*.so path to install a library. In the <my-package>.install file I have usr/lib*/*/lib*.so*. But squeeze uses /usr/lib/lib*.so path, and it should be usr/lib*/lib*.so* Is there Good way to have <mypackage>.install file compatible with either squeeze and oneiric ? |
| 00:35.22 | wm4 | and why am I bothering with this shit at all |
| 00:35.38 | hlamer | oops, some nick name copy-pasted |
| 00:35.52 | wm4 | fuck, I'll just use my old 2.6.35 kernel |
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| 00:38.27 | babilen | hlamer: Try #debian-mentors and/or #debian-ubuntu on irc.oftc.net and #ubuntu-packaging here on freenode |
| 00:38.55 | hlamer | I've been kicked from debian-mentors. Invite only :-/ |
| 00:39.03 | dax | "on irc.oftc.net" |
| 00:39.13 | streuner | hlamer: irc.debian.net |
| 00:39.17 | hlamer | Thanks for ubuntu-packaging. will try |
| 00:39.19 | hlamer | ) |
| 00:39.40 | streuner | hlamer: irc.debian.org or/and irc.oftc.net |
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| 00:39.53 | abdelkhalak | hello! my mouse and keyboard freeze and become irresponsive on squeeze, what should I do? |
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| 00:40.38 | abdelkhalak | i didnt experience this with Lenny |
| 00:40.53 | abdelkhalak | is it a bug or something? |
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| 00:41.53 | pumafyre | abdelkhalak: I imagine if you share some more specific information someone might be able to help you. |
| 00:42.23 | Flynn070 | Hello, folks. |
| 00:42.24 | Flynn070 | http://home.fnal.gov/~carrigan/infrared_astronomy/Fermilab_search.htm |
| 00:42.29 | Flynn070 | Woops, wrong link. |
| 00:42.39 | Flynn070 | http://pastebin.com/XLcAC9Wi |
| 00:42.42 | Flynn070 | There we go. |
| 00:42.42 | wm4 | oh god what |
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| 00:43.19 | wm4 | http://pastebin.com/REAHts9h |
| 00:43.54 | abdelkhalak | pumafyre: i've a hyundai 19' lcd screen and pc105 kbd and a normal mouse |
| 00:44.06 | babilen | !tell Flynn070 -about usb install |
| 00:44.28 | engla | Flynn070: the first link was better :-) |
| 00:44.34 | babilen | Flynn070: And I would have preferred if you had just asked that question in a single sentence in here :) |
| 00:44.37 | babilen | engla: heh |
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| 00:44.56 | Flynn070 | babilen: I'm sorry if it was verbose. |
| 00:45.06 | abdelkhalak | how can I configure xorg in squeeze using dpkg? |
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| 00:45.53 | babilen | Flynn070: No, but I don't see the point of creating a pastebin for anything that is not pasted if we can just talk here. Don't worry :D |
| 00:46.08 | GJdan | trying to compile node.js, I get this... /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lz |
| 00:46.12 | GJdan | google isn't helping :( |
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| 00:47.51 | wm4 | so what's the recommended way of building a kernel on debian |
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| 00:48.37 | babilen | wm4: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
| 00:49.14 | babilen | wm4: Typically deb-pkg (cf. 4.5 Building a custom kernel from Debian kernel source) |
| 00:49.38 | babilen | (or 4.6 -- Ah, just read the whole chapter!) |
| 00:50.01 | jaakkos | last time i tried, deb-pkg generated a 100MB initrd.img for me :( sticking to make-kpkg |
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| 00:52.33 | Flynn070 | So, how should I proceed with USB installation? |
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| 00:53.11 | darsie | Flynn070: Where are you? |
| 00:53.32 | Flynn070 | darsie: Near my desktop and netbook. |
| 00:53.49 | dvs | Flynn070: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-isohybrid |
| 00:54.06 | wm4 | apparently linux-image-3.1.0-1 is up to upstream kernel version 3.1.5 |
| 00:54.25 | wm4 | which means it misses the latest fixes for ext4, which, when reading the changelog, seem critical enough |
| 00:54.47 | darsie | Flynn070: I found the syslinux way easy. |
| 00:54.57 | thewanderer1 | wm4, which fixes do you mean? |
| 00:55.22 | wm4 | thewanderer1: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v3.0/ChangeLog-3.1.6 |
| 00:55.48 | Flynn070 | Could I write "debian-live-6.0.3-i386-xfce-desktop.img" onto my USB and try to boot from just that? |
| 00:56.27 | dvs | Flynn070: Why an .img file? |
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| 00:56.37 | Flynn070 | I don't know why. |
| 00:56.42 | darsie | Flynn070: That would give you a live debian on the stick, not install do the HD. Though there might be an option to do that, I don't know. |
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| 00:57.24 | thewanderer1 | the live system comes with an installer, too |
| 00:57.36 | thewanderer1 | it's just fine to use that for installation |
| 00:58.07 | blawiz | i can turn on/of mouse emulation via xfce-settings, but what is needed to do it with num lock? |
| 00:58.24 | Flynn070 | And I can just extract the .img? |
| 00:58.39 | pumafyre | Flynn070: why not make a bootable usb of squeeze 6.0.3 from the desktop with unetbootin and use that to install it to your netbook? |
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| 00:59.14 | thewanderer1 | Flynn070, you can write the img file to your pendrive and boot from that... |
| 00:59.33 | Flynn070 | thewanderer1: Okay, thanks. I'll try that. |
| 00:59.40 | pumafyre | Flynn070: if you have the .iso on your desktop somewhere, you can make it bootable with unetbootin, and use that to install to your netbook. |
| 01:00.01 | pumafyre | Flynn070: exactly what thewanderer1 is saying |
| 01:00.04 | Flynn070 | I have an iso for my desktop, but it is not for multiple architectures. |
| 01:00.12 | Flynn070 | And my internet speed is too slow to download more. |
| 01:00.13 | babilen | Flynn070: I asked our friendly bot to send you a private message some time ago -- didn't you receive it? |
| 01:00.16 | babilen | !usb install |
| 01:00.16 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 01:00.21 | babilen | Flynn070: That one ^^^^ |
| 01:00.39 | pumafyre | Flynn070: then torrent download the right one for the netbook, burn it to a flash drive with unetbootin, boot into that on your netbook, and install from there |
| 01:00.40 | thewanderer1 | Flynn070, I'm guessing you have a desktop ISO for amd64 and your netbook is i386? what CPU does it have? |
| 01:00.50 | darsie | Flynn070: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 01:00.54 | Flynn070 | That is true |
| 01:00.59 | Flynn070 | That is why I only have an iso for my desktop |
| 01:01.03 | Flynn070 | and a img for my netbook. |
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| 01:01.11 | pumafyre | ahh |
| 01:01.23 | thewanderer1 | Flynn070, what CPU model? |
| 01:01.26 | Flynn070 | But I'm not good with working in a shell, so I need one that comes with xfce (I'm switching from gnome) |
| 01:01.30 | pumafyre | Flynn070: kick ass that you want debian on your netbook :) |
| 01:01.36 | Flynn070 | i386 on my netbook |
| 01:01.48 | Flynn070 | pumafyre: Well, not kick-ass that I can't install it |
| 01:01.50 | Flynn070 | :P |
| 01:01.55 | pumafyre | heh |
| 01:02.03 | thewanderer1 | Flynn070, huh, I thought my Atom was i386 too but then I found out it was actually amd64 - it's worth checking |
| 01:02.07 | pumafyre | Flynn070: why not just download the i386 iso? |
| 01:02.27 | Flynn070 | Is my logic wrong? |
| 01:02.28 | pumafyre | Flynn070: ^^^ yup |
| 01:02.42 | Flynn070 | I thought most Intel processors were i386 and AMD processors were amd64 |
| 01:02.50 | pumafyre | Flynn070: download the iso you need for the netbook to your desktop |
| 01:03.06 | Flynn070 | It has an intel Atom, so I assumed it was i386 |
| 01:03.11 | darsie | Flynn070: If you do the syslinux way, use the files 'linux' and 'initrd.gz' from http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/i386/ |
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| 01:03.30 | Flynn070 | So Intel processors can actually be amd64? |
| 01:04.12 | dax | Yes, and most new ones are. |
| 01:04.30 | Flynn070 | Hmm. Quite a deceptive name |
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| 01:04.53 | Flynn070 | So then my desktop iso should simply work on the flash drive... |
| 01:04.54 | thewanderer1 | Flynn070, that's because Intel licenses the design from AMD, just as AMD licensed i686 from Intel |
| 01:04.55 | Flynn070 | Awesome! |
| 01:05.17 | thewanderer1 | Flynn070, what Atom model? different models of the CPU are different archs |
| 01:05.31 | Flynn070 | Atom N450 |
| 01:06.06 | dvs | 64 capable |
| 01:06.07 | thewanderer1 | yeah, amd64 |
| 01:06.13 | Flynn070 | Thanks guys |
| 01:06.35 | Flynn070 | I can just copy the iso over to the flash drive, right? |
| 01:06.42 | Flynn070 | Or should I extract it? |
| 01:06.49 | dvs | cat |
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| 01:07.11 | darsie | to the device, not the file system, IMO. |
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| 01:08.30 | thewanderer1 | Flynn070, yeah, just copy with cat blahbleh.iso >/dev/YOUR_PENDRIVE and don't mistake the name :P |
| 01:08.49 | Flynn070 | dev/sdg |
| 01:09.01 | darsie | unmount the flash drive before. |
| 01:09.11 | Flynn070 | That is mine |
| 01:09.13 | darsie | check with 'mount' |
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| 01:09.26 | Flynn070 | How do I unmount? |
| 01:09.36 | darsie | unmound /dev/sdg |
| 01:09.41 | darsie | umount /dev/sdg |
| 01:10.01 | Flynn070 | unmount: command not found |
| 01:10.03 | pumafyre | i love that unmound command.. |
| 01:10.12 | darsie | but maybe its umount /dev/sdg1 you have to use. |
| 01:10.22 | pumafyre | Flynn070: umount |
| 01:10.40 | Flynn070 | It is not mounted. |
| 01:10.47 | Flynn070 | So then I can cat |
| 01:10.48 | pumafyre | thewanderer1: you copy it with cat, not cp? |
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| 01:11.09 | darsie | see the table 'mount' gives you for the correct device name. |
| 01:11.11 | dvs | cat or dd |
| 01:11.16 | Flynn070 | Haha. If I get debian on both machines, I promise to learn more about shells |
| 01:11.26 | Flynn070 | I'm in HS and start my first csc class in 1 month |
| 01:11.34 | Flynn070 | at the local college |
| 01:11.53 | darsie | 'csc class' means computer science class class? |
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| 01:12.08 | thewanderer1 | pumafyre, cat only reads it to the pipe, which is redirected via fopen(..., "w") to the destination device |
| 01:12.09 | pumafyre | darsie: how do you know what the correct device name is? |
| 01:12.13 | Flynn070 | argh, yes |
| 01:12.20 | Flynn070 | My terminal just flipped out |
| 01:12.23 | Flynn070 | So I closed it |
| 01:12.24 | pumafyre | thewanderer1: oh cool! I love learning stuff in here |
| 01:12.30 | darsie | pumafyre: try 'mount' |
| 01:12.36 | pumafyre | darsie: thank you! |
| 01:12.38 | Flynn070 | It had a bunch of random symbols |
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| 01:12.58 | darsie | pumafyre: or 'df' |
| 01:13.00 | dvs | Flynn070: you forgot the > |
| 01:13.31 | Flynn070 | So this won't work? cat debian-6.0.3-amd64-DVD-1.iso /dev/sdg |
| 01:13.43 | dvs | Flynn070: you forgot the > |
| 01:14.11 | Flynn070 | I didn't forget it, I don't know where it goes. |
| 01:14.13 | thewanderer1 | cat debian-6.0.3-amd64-DVD-1.iso >/dev/sdg |
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| 01:14.55 | pumafyre | back later |
| 01:15.05 | Flynn070 | Thanks pumafyre |
| 01:15.31 | pumafyre | rock on, Flynn070 . my phone is screwing up :) gotta reboot |
| 01:16.11 | Flynn070 | Thanks everyone. Terminal should let me know once it is done? |
| 01:16.29 | babilen | Flynn070: Run "sync" afterwards to make sure all data is written |
| 01:18.04 | thewanderer1 | actually, aren't all writes to block devices synchronous? |
| 01:19.44 | babilen | I am tempted to write "No", but I would like to back it up with a reference :) |
| 01:19.49 | babilen | (so I don't) |
| 01:19.57 | Flynn070 | Yay! |
| 01:20.27 | Flynn070 | One last question: Where do I change the DE to xfce before the install? |
| 01:20.45 | Flynn070 | Just on the menu for advanced options, right? |
| 01:20.51 | babilen | Flynn070: from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > Xfce > Install |
| 01:21.01 | Flynn070 | I thought I tried this in Virtual Machine, but I just wanted to make sure. |
| 01:21.41 | Flynn070 | Hmm. It didn't work. |
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| 01:21.54 | Flynn070 | Corrupt kernel image. I think it was because the first time I tried the terminal flipped out. |
| 01:22.01 | Flynn070 | I could unmount and try again? |
| 01:22.48 | dvs | why not? |
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| 01:23.05 | thewanderer1 | hmm, how big is the pendrive? |
| 01:23.08 | darsie | Did you unmount your flash drive before you wrote to it? |
| 01:23.09 | babilen | Flynn070: You have to run that command as root btw |
| 01:23.13 | Flynn070 | I did |
| 01:23.48 | Flynn070 | I can't see my flash drive now like I normally would. |
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| 01:24.29 | thewanderer1 | Flynn070, what is the capacity of the stick? |
| 01:24.41 | Flynn070 | 8 GB |
| 01:24.49 | thewanderer1 | sounds ok |
| 01:24.53 | Flynn070 | I think I need to delete everything off it though and try again |
| 01:24.55 | Flynn070 | But I'm not sure how |
| 01:25.01 | dvs | no |
| 01:25.09 | Flynn070 | Just try cat again? |
| 01:25.10 | thewanderer1 | no need to delete anything, the command will just overwrite the data |
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| 01:25.54 | Flynn070 | On the netbook, it said that the kernal was corrupt |
| 01:25.57 | Flynn070 | or something to the effect of that |
| 01:26.24 | apol | I've seen there's some /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu directory on my system |
| 01:26.34 | dvs | oh, the kernel on the iso is too old |
| 01:26.35 | apol | is there any way to know which one is my current system? |
| 01:26.38 | thewanderer1 | Flynn070, the exact error message is needed to be able to tell anything |
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| 01:26.55 | dvs | thewanderer1: probably a kernel panic |
| 01:27.01 | Flynn070 | Hmm. The iso worked fine in VM |
| 01:27.14 | thewanderer1 | Flynn070, take a photo or something... |
| 01:27.21 | somiaj | apol: what do you mean? Which what is on your current system? |
| 01:27.41 | apol | somiaj: well, gtk...-dev installs some include directories there that I need to feed to gcc |
| 01:27.54 | apol | and I'd like to have some architecture agnostic way to do it |
| 01:28.10 | apol | so i figured out /usr/lib/<somevariable>/... |
| 01:28.23 | somiaj | apol: I have never needed to manually tell gcc where things from libfoo-dev packages are located. |
| 01:28.35 | somiaj | apol: you can use dpkg -L pkgnmae to get a list of every file it installed on your computer |
| 01:28.58 | apol | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.02 | apol | and gcc needs it |
| 01:29.08 | apol | I used apt-file to find it |
| 01:30.07 | apol | somiaj: ^ |
| 01:30.28 | somiaj | apol: usually /etc/ld.so.conf (well now the configs in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/) list the directories to look for libaries |
| 01:30.29 | wm4 | is it safe to pass -j to make deb-pkg? |
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| 01:30.49 | apol | ugh |
| 01:31.13 | apol | that's terribly ugly -.- |
| 01:31.28 | somiaj | why is that? |
| 01:31.59 | somiaj | wm4: 'make deb-pkg' what are you doing? that seems unstandard (like a custom make script) |
| 01:32.12 | wm4 | somiaj: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
| 01:32.16 | wm4 | following this |
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| 01:32.42 | apol | somiaj: well, I'd have to make cmake understand all that |
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| 01:33.05 | apol | that is globbing arround in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/* |
| 01:33.17 | apol | there must be a simpler approach |
| 01:33.25 | AkhIL_ | I have a problem with card reader. It works ok but when I push eject button card reader becomes powered down. So to read next card I have to reconnect whole cardreader. Can I disable power controll for card reader? |
| 01:33.52 | somiaj | apol: I guess I don't see what it is you are doing that requires this. try man ldconfig (though this is just to tell things where to look for libaries to link to) |
| 01:34.27 | apol | somiaj: well, debian is installing include files in /usr/lib |
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| 01:35.07 | apol | and I need to get them |
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| 01:35.11 | apol | ldconfig doesn't help |
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| 01:36.35 | somiaj | wm4: which kernel are you trying to build? I personally like to use make-kpkg (over using the debian/rules script)? But I don't see why -j flag to make would hurt things. |
| 01:36.55 | somiaj | apol: headers are put into /usr/include on my system, dpkg -L libfoo-dev to check for the packages you are intersted in. |
| 01:37.00 | wm4 | somiaj: seems make-kpkg is outdated |
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| 01:37.44 | wm4 | and -j tends sometimes to break things, the make-kpkg manpage even warns against using it directly (maybe that has to do with the kernel, and less with make-kpkg) |
| 01:37.48 | apol | somiaj: don't you have this file? /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/glib-2.0/include/glibconfig.h |
| 01:38.05 | wm4 | apol: I have it |
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| 01:38.32 | somiaj | apol: libglib2.0-dev: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/glib-2.0/include/glibconfig.h -- I'm on amd64 machine |
| 01:39.03 | apol | somiaj: exactly now I'd like to have a script that could compile my program and on my system use my path and on your system use yours |
| 01:39.11 | apol | because it's not important the path, but the contents of the file |
| 01:39.38 | apol | so I was expecting something like /usr/lib/$some_arch_var/glib-2.0 |
| 01:40.33 | lasers | Is there debian mirrorlist? Finding the closest/fastest mirror? |
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| 01:40.39 | wm4 | apol: pkg-config --cflags glib-2.0 |
| 01:41.17 | thewanderer1 | lasers, apt-spy; or use cdn.debian.net |
| 01:41.18 | apol | wm4: http://paste.kde.org/176864 |
| 01:41.23 | apol | it doesn't include that path |
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| 01:41.53 | wm4 | apol: then the -dev package for glib is broken |
| 01:41.54 | lasers | thewanderer1: Thank you. |
| 01:42.02 | apol | :( |
| 01:42.07 | apol | fair enough |
| 01:42.15 | apol | i'll workaround it |
| 01:42.39 | wm4 | apol: why can't you install the -dev package that corresponds to the "real" glib package? |
| 01:43.01 | apol | wm4: i'm using the one my distro provided me |
| 01:43.10 | abrotman | what distro is that? |
| 01:43.11 | apol | what's unreal about it? |
| 01:43.12 | wm4 | apol: then your distro is broken |
| 01:43.20 | wm4 | clearly |
| 01:43.22 | wm4 | very broken |
| 01:43.23 | apol | somiaj: had the same problem |
| 01:43.30 | apol | wm4: don't you have this file? |
| 01:43.46 | wm4 | apol: I do, and my pkg-config output matches it |
| 01:43.48 | somiaj | apol: no I don't, pkg-config tells me where the files are located. "-I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/glib-2.0/include" |
| 01:44.00 | abrotman | what distro is apol using ? |
| 01:44.23 | somiaj | no clue, I assumed it was debian since he is asking here...even though I know that is a bad assumption. |
| 01:45.13 | apol | it's netrunner |
| 01:45.29 | abrotman | then why are you asking here? |
| 01:45.40 | apol | because multiarch is a debian feature |
| 01:46.01 | abrotman | netrunner is not Debian ? |
| 01:46.12 | apol | why not? |
| 01:46.16 | apol | well |
| 01:46.21 | abrotman | if it were Debian, it would be called Debian |
| 01:46.24 | apol | I don't want to argue, really |
| 01:46.38 | abrotman | it's not even based on Debian, it's based on Kubuntu .. jesus |
| 01:46.47 | abrotman | you couldn't be in a worse place to ask |
| 01:46.55 | dax | apol: Then you should perhaps ask your distribution's support channel, wherever that is. |
| 01:47.02 | dax | And pre-emptively: it isn't #ubuntu or #kubuntu, either. |
| 01:47.49 | roe | how do I find out when a package hit a particular repo? |
| 01:48.06 | abrotman | dax: no, those are not the right place either |
| 01:48.16 | abrotman | roe: check the QA page for the package |
| 01:48.38 | mooglenorph | I asked this before, so apologies if its a bad question: What is an appropriate filesystem for an SSD? Intel, 320 series, 120GB? And, are there any special options I should place in /etc/fstab for it, for optimal lifespan and speed? Constraints: filesystem can be installed with debian squeeze. |
| 01:48.46 | roe | abrotman, thanks |
| 01:49.16 | somiaj | mooglenorph: defaults,noatime,data=ordered,errors=remount-ro -- those are the options for my ssd for what its worth (found them from different reviews on google) |
| 01:49.45 | Flynn070 | The redoing of my usb is over |
| 01:49.50 | somiaj | mooglenorph: the big one I read about was the noatime (so it doesn't update a file every time its read with a new timestamp) |
| 01:50.24 | thewanderer1 | discard! use discard! |
| 01:50.35 | mooglenorph | somiaj: thanks, that's really helpful |
| 01:50.44 | Flynn070 | Thanks folks! The installation is working. To everyone who helped me: Thanks again! |
| 01:50.44 | Flynn070 | :D |
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| 01:51.50 | innociv | Where is the apache log dir? |
| 01:52.21 | darsie | : /var/log/apache(2) |
| 01:52.36 | innociv | WEll that's empty. |
| 01:52.41 | innociv | So it not running is some other problem. |
| 01:53.18 | somiaj | innociv: check your config files in /etc/apache2/ it is possible to put the log file in other places. |
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| 01:53.27 | innociv | Yeah it i. |
| 01:53.31 | innociv | is* |
| 01:56.00 | wm4 | drtmp/DEBIAN/control' near line 3 package 'linux-headers-3.1.6': |
| 01:56.00 | wm4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.06 | wm4 | well thanks a lot, you retarded script |
| 01:56.15 | wm4 | for saying that _after_ everything has been compiled |
| 01:56.40 | wm4 | also means this is WRONG: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
| 01:56.51 | somiaj | m4v: make it 1.0.custom |
| 01:56.58 | somiaj | wm4: ^^ |
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| 01:57.17 | wm4 | what happens if I pass no KDEB_PKGVERSION at all |
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| 01:57.50 | somiaj | wm4: just a few years ago the tools started enforcing the numbers first in version numbers (despite lots of documenation doing it the other way around) |
| 01:58.12 | innociv | Well, I can't get apache to start. And #httpd blames debian repo. |
| 01:58.26 | dax | They do tend to do that. |
| 01:58.44 | dondelelcaro | innociv: what is the output from /etc/init.d/apache2 start? |
| 01:58.47 | somiaj | wm4: are you trying to configure a kernel from kernel.org or just change some config options for the debian kernel? |
| 01:58.58 | innociv | http://pastebin.com/kKX2EHWX |
| 01:59.02 | wm4 | somiaj: a kernel directly from kernel.org |
| 01:59.05 | somiaj | wm4: s/configure/compile/ |
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| 01:59.10 | innociv | warnings, then a start failed, and nothing in errors. |
| 01:59.13 | innociv | I'm going to just build form source. |
| 01:59.17 | dondelelcaro | innociv: uh... you have to be root |
| 01:59.24 | wm4 | for almost 6 hours now |
| 01:59.36 | innociv | I was? |
| 01:59.38 | innociv | I did sudo |
| 01:59.46 | dondelelcaro | innociv: apr_sockaddr_info_get() failed for user <-- that indicates that you aren't |
| 02:00.06 | somiaj | wm4: this is what I use (I don't use debian patches). 1) make menuconfig (create your .config file someway) 2) fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=1.foo kernel_image [though I don't use initrd kernels so you may need a flag for that) |
| 02:00.13 | innociv | i did sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 02:00.28 | wm4 | somiaj: that didn't work, m-a threw up |
| 02:00.28 | innociv | and sudo apachectl start |
| 02:01.01 | somiaj | wm4: module assistnat? (m-a?) |
| 02:01.06 | wm4 | somiaj: yes |
| 02:01.24 | dondelelcaro | innociv: and are you running selinux? or something else strange? |
| 02:01.29 | dondelelcaro | innociv: are these default configurations? |
| 02:01.33 | wm4 | compiling modules with module-assistant didn't work because of some crap in the build system (missing makefile) |
| 02:01.36 | innociv | Yes. |
| 02:01.48 | dondelelcaro | innociv: yes to which? |
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| 02:02.00 | innociv | To default config. I'm using debian. |
| 02:02.03 | somiaj | wm4: where is your source located, I put mine in /usr/src/linux-version and the have a link from /usr/src/linux -> /sr/src/linux-version so the source can be found by things wanting it. (though I haven't used m-a in a long time so not sure why its yelling to you) |
| 02:02.07 | innociv | Well |
| 02:02.09 | innociv | I changed Listen to 8080 |
| 02:02.46 | wm4 | somiaj: I'm trying to install the produced debian packages, so that shouldn't matter or be needed |
| 02:02.56 | dondelelcaro | innociv: and what does sudo APACHE_RUN_USER=www-data APACHE_RUN_GROUP=www-data APACHE_LOG_DIR=/var/log/apache2/ /usr/sbin/apache2 -X? do? |
| 02:02.58 | innociv | Nevermind |
| 02:03.03 | innociv | I wasn't using default config. |
| 02:03.06 | dondelelcaro | ... |
| 02:03.34 | somiaj | wm4: m-a (or now -dkms packages) that run when you install a kernel need to be able to find the kernel source for the headers so it can compile said modules. |
| 02:03.35 | innociv | Well, I didn't see what was wrong with what I had |
| 02:04.04 | wm4 | somiaj: there's a headers package, produced by the debian package creation script |
| 02:04.24 | dondelelcaro | innociv: probably because you changed the listen port and didn't change the ports for the virtual hosts. |
| 02:04.40 | innociv | I changed VirtualHosts to 8080 too |
| 02:05.03 | innociv | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/mass.html I was trying to use this |
| 02:05.19 | innociv | I put Simple "Dynamic Virtual Hosts" in httpd.conf |
| 02:05.30 | innociv | and did a2enmod vhost_alias |
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| 02:06.00 | innociv | So the question is to why that fails. |
| 02:06.10 | dondelelcaro | it doesn't fail if you're doing it properly |
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| 02:06.58 | innociv | What do I do besides put that in httpd.conf and a2enmod vhost_alias ? |
| 02:07.04 | Dev0n | hye, if i have, /var/foo/bar.c, what's a good way of getting the dir the file recides in? in this case the dir that bar.c is in from that lin which would be /var/foo/ ? |
| 02:07.17 | dondelelcaro | innociv: uh... because you don't put that into httpd.conf? |
| 02:07.23 | innociv | No? |
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| 02:07.42 | dondelelcaro | innociv: you edit /etc/apache2/ports.conf, and then stick the appropriate site definitions into /etc/apache2/sites-available |
| 02:07.48 | dax | Dev0n: man dirname |
| 02:08.02 | somiaj | Dev0n: basename / dirname (each does something different) |
| 02:08.05 | innociv | I need them dynamic |
| 02:08.09 | innociv | Not sites-enabled. |
| 02:08.25 | Dev0n | thanks dax and somiaj |
| 02:08.30 | somiaj | Dev0n: but in your case you want dirname |
| 02:09.09 | dondelelcaro | innociv: you stick the definition into there even if you're doing dynamic vhosting |
| 02:09.16 | innociv | Ok |
| 02:09.23 | dondelelcaro | or at least /etc/apache2/conf.d |
| 02:09.54 | innociv | What goes in ports.conf?.. |
| 02:10.05 | dondelelcaro | innociv: that's where the listen ports are defined. |
| 02:10.13 | dondelelcaro | (and the NameVirtualHost, and everythign else) |
| 02:10.17 | innociv | Er, the thing I already did, setting it to 8080? |
| 02:10.33 | dondelelcaro | if that's want you want, I guess. |
| 02:10.47 | dondelelcaro | but this is all described in the manuals |
| 02:11.03 | dondelelcaro | and is pretty clear if you read through the apache.conf file, and the files it includes |
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| 02:11.49 | Umeaboy | Hi! |
| 02:12.09 | Umeaboy | I'm just wondering............why can I find Heimdall in any Debian repo's? |
| 02:12.25 | Umeaboy | Is it unofficially supported? |
| 02:13.21 | innociv | In the debian manuals? I'm looking at the apache ones |
| 02:13.30 | AkhIL_ | bah!.. typing "su" makes terminal hang. Debian sid. |
| 02:13.33 | dondelelcaro | innociv: it's in the apache manuals too. |
| 02:14.03 | dondelelcaro | Umeaboy: you mean heimdal? the kerberos implementation? |
| 02:14.10 | Umeaboy | Nope. |
| 02:14.14 | Umeaboy | The flash suite. |
| 02:14.21 | Umeaboy | http://www.glassechidna.com.au/products/heimdall/ |
| 02:14.56 | innociv | Well, I still don't really get what I'm supposed to do. I put all the information for dynamic vhosts in sites-enabled/000-default? |
| 02:14.57 | dondelelcaro | Umeaboy: probably because no one has packaged it |
| 02:15.24 | dondelelcaro | innociv: or sites-available/dynamic_vhosting; or whatever makes sense and enable it, then disable the default |
| 02:15.30 | Umeaboy | It IS packaged. |
| 02:15.46 | dondelelcaro | Umeaboy: not for Debian |
| 02:15.47 | Umeaboy | https://github.com/downloads/Benjamin-Dobell/Heimdall/heimdall-frontend_1.3.1_i386.deb |
| 02:16.07 | dondelelcaro | Umeaboy: anyone can make random .deb packages; that doesn't mean that it's packaged in Debian. |
| 02:16.12 | somiaj | Umeaboy: not by debian, doesn't mean you can't use unoffical .deb or make your own package. |
| 02:16.27 | somiaj | Umeaboy: but of course debian doesn't support using such things. (: |
| 02:16.28 | AkhIL_ | sudo bash aslo hangs. sudo zsh work |
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| 02:17.06 | somiaj | AkhIL_: you run sid, track down the bug. Comb though the bts to see if you can figure out what the bug is. |
| 02:17.15 | innociv | My sites-available only has default and default-ssl. |
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| 02:17.24 | Umeaboy | somiaj: To sad. |
| 02:17.26 | somiaj | AkhIL_: well if someone else has reported the bug, it will be in the bts |
| 02:17.50 | dondelelcaro | innociv: yes, that's the standard configuration. You create your own files there |
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| 02:18.05 | AkhIL_ | somiaj, yah. thanks. searcing in bug tracker |
| 02:18.06 | innociv | Oh you were meaning to make that. |
| 02:18.08 | dondelelcaro | innociv: and then use rm and/or a2dissite to remove the ones that you don't want enabled from sites-enabled |
| 02:18.19 | Flynn070 | What is the difference between an account and a user? |
| 02:18.36 | dondelelcaro | Flynn070: depends on the context |
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| 02:19.27 | acx0 | question about /etc/security/limits.conf, does the machine have to be restarted in order for changes to this file to take place? |
| 02:19.36 | darsie | Flynn070: There could be email accounts without logon capability. |
| 02:20.17 | innociv | i have vhost_alias in mods-enabled too.. |
| 02:20.22 | thewanderer1 | acx0, it's PAM session stack that reads that, so anything that starts a new PAM session will take that into account |
| 02:20.25 | darsie | good night ... |
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| 02:20.53 | stevieman | Im trying to mount a fat32 drive but it's mounting as being owned by root. How do I fix this. (/dev/sdc1 /media/Media/TV vfat defaults 0 2) I used a similar entry for a ext4 drive which has the right permissions. |
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| 02:21.58 | somiaj | stevieman: there are various options for that uid= (sets userid), gid= (sets the group), umask/fmask/dmask if you want to change the actual prmissions |
| 02:22.21 | somiaj | stevieman: for example I can mout a vfat by mount -t vfat /dev/sdc1 /media/usb -o uid=somiaj |
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| 02:22.36 | stevieman | somiaj: thanks |
| 02:23.14 | stevieman | so in fstab it would be /dev/sdc1 /media/Media/TV vfat defaults uid=user gid=group 0 2 ? |
| 02:23.29 | somiaj | no options are seprated by commans (not whitespace) |
| 02:23.35 | somiaj | defaults,uid=user,gid=group |
| 02:24.19 | somiaj | also I would suggest using the UUID (as opposed to /dev/sdc1) for the partition as this won't change if you say drives are detected in a different order) |
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| 02:25.55 | innociv | I think it worked |
| 02:26.03 | stevieman | somiaj: Thanks, that worked |
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| 02:31.05 | willwh | hi folks, I have a VPS dpeloyed - that seems to have ldap configured by default |
| 02:31.07 | willwh | with the vps image |
| 02:31.28 | willwh | What is the best way to remove this? |
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| 02:34.04 | willwh | dpkg -l | grep kerb && apt-get remove krb5-config |
| 02:34.04 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep kerb && apt-get remove krb5-config |
| 02:34.05 | willwh | :] |
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| 02:40.40 | zezikaro | hi i was trying to upgrade to squeeze from lenny, and got this "The following Linux command line was extracted from /etc/default/grub or the `kopt' parameter in GRUB Legacy's menu.lst. Please â â verify that it is correct, and modify it if necessary. " |
| 02:40.43 | zezikaro | could anyone help me please |
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| 02:42.44 | rking | How do I install all packages that are "kept back"? |
| 02:43.47 | rking | I am doing an upgrade on a sid machine that hasn't been upgraded in a very long time, and I'm getting a bunch of broken dependencies because they are kept back. I just want to install everything. |
| 02:46.01 | somiaj | rking: have you tried both aptitude/apt-get to do a full (or dist) upgrade? |
| 02:46.29 | somiaj | rking: also #debian-next on irc.oftc.net is the prefered channell for wheezy/sid support |
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| 02:47.22 | rking | somiaj: Yes, I tried that ... it ends up saying a lot of "x dependency is not going to be installed" and then fails with, "Unable to find a solution within the alotted time" |
| 02:47.32 | rking | somiaj: I didn't know about #debian-next. Thank you. |
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| 02:47.49 | somiaj | rking: if you don't want to reinstall and you can't get apt-get/aptitude to upgrade for you, you may have to start doing things manually and install some key dependency debs by downloading them and usind dpkg. |
| 02:48.05 | rking | somiaj: Good tip. I'll work that angle. |
| 02:50.26 | somiaj | rking: have you tried just an apt-get upgrade or aptitude safe-upgrade (at least upgrade the packages that don't require bringing in or removing old packages)? |
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| 02:51.30 | bambanx | anyone know how install node.js in debian? |
| 02:52.18 | Dev0n | how do I get /dev/fd in a chrooted enviro ? |
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| 02:57.05 | somiaj | Dev0n: you can mount --bind /dev /chroot/dev and then have the whole dev directory accessable in the chroot env |
| 02:57.28 | Dev0n | oh |
| 02:57.43 | Dev0n | is there no makedev of mknod bin that will make the /dev/fd ? |
| 02:57.53 | somiaj | in a chroot I find it also useful to mount proc at /chroot/proc |
| 02:57.56 | rking | somiaj: Yes, I tried those, too... same results. |
| 02:58.28 | somiaj | Dev0n: debian uses udev, as opposed to statict dev nodes, You could make one and see if it works, but with udev things are slightly different. |
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| 02:58.44 | Dev0n | oh |
| 02:58.50 | somiaj | rking: yea then looks like you need to use the output to start manually upgrading things. |
| 02:59.05 | rking | somiaj: This could take years... there are hundreds of broken packages. |
| 02:59.06 | somiaj | Dev0n: I personally don't know if a static dev node inside the chroot would work with udev in a nice method. |
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| 02:59.19 | Dev0n | so best is to mount bind ? |
| 02:59.34 | rking | If only there was some sort of tool that would automatically download .deb's ... |
| 02:59.36 | cafuego | Dev0n: yes |
| 02:59.44 | Dev0n | k thanks |
| 02:59.56 | somiaj | Dev0n: that is what I do, though I don't know of any secuirty concerns you have of other applications/users having the ability to look in /dev on the chroot. |
| 03:00.08 | somiaj | (not that chroots aren't that easy to break out of in the first place) |
| 03:00.25 | Dev0n | ahh |
| 03:00.27 | somiaj | rking: apt-get will, there is a download only |
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| 03:00.55 | rking | somiaj: I'll look for that. |
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| 03:01.01 | cafuego | -d option |
| 03:01.10 | somiaj | rking: apt-get --download-only, you could also try to use apt-get/aptitude to 'install' just a paticular package as opposed to upgrading everything |
| 03:01.14 | cafuego | pretty sure aptitude would too |
| 03:01.42 | somiaj | rking: unforntally since sid is a moving target, until you get frozen releases there isn't much effort put into ensure upgrades work smoothly between snapshots of sid. |
| 03:02.05 | rking | somiaj: The install-particular-package trick didn't work for me, either... it keeps complaining about the other, broken packages. |
| 03:02.36 | somiaj | rking: well I would start trying to fix the packages it complains about and hopefully somewhere you'll see the light and it will be able to automtically calculate the rest. |
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| 03:04.46 | rking | somiaj: Yep. Thanks. |
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| 03:36.57 | blackshirt | how to configure apt to work over https (443 port) ?? |
| 03:37.44 | dax | ... why do you want that? |
| 03:40.14 | blackshirt | how to configure apt to work over https (443 port) ?? |
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| 03:44.48 | abrotman | blackshirt: why would you want that? |
| 03:45.46 | blackshirt | abrotman: we know apt supports https methods, how we can configure them ? |
| 03:46.00 | abrotman | we know? |
| 03:46.08 | abrotman | who is we? |
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| 03:47.01 | blackshirt | abrotman: i think you know that, :D |
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| 03:47.56 | abrotman | blackshirt: no, i don't .. enlighten me .. who is we? |
| 03:48.59 | blackshirt | abrotman: me, and you, debian master :D |
| 03:49.11 | blackshirt | i'm newbie here |
| 03:50.08 | abrotman | you've been here often enough |
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| 03:51.00 | blackshirt | thanks abrotman :D |
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| 03:51.13 | abrotman | did you check in /usr/share/doc/apt/ ? |
| 03:52.02 | blackshirt | abrotman: i have messages "407 Proxy Authentication Required" on apt-get update.. |
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| 03:52.58 | blackshirt | how to solve that ? |
| 03:53.08 | blackshirt | i have configur apt.conf to use proxy |
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| 03:56.06 | cyfirus | hi!!! |
| 03:56.12 | cyfirus | a have a question!! |
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| 03:56.23 | blackshirt | hi cyfirus |
| 03:57.00 | cyfirus | How to Uninstall a library of debian? |
| 03:57.43 | abrotman | cyfirus: same way you uninstall any package |
| 03:57.44 | blackshirt | cyfirus: what library you want to uninstall ? |
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| 03:58.02 | cyfirus | tzdata!! |
| 03:59.52 | Malsasa | Hello...Debian... |
| 03:59.53 | Malsasa | :D |
| 04:00.02 | abrotman | that's not a library |
| 04:00.06 | blackshirt | wew, Malsasa :D |
| 04:00.22 | blackshirt | Malsasa: good morning guys |
| 04:00.25 | cyfirus | but when I try to uninstall! you want to uninstall as 30 more that I just want to uninstall this! |
| 04:00.43 | abrotman | cyfirus: right .. a lot of things depend on that package .. not sure why you'd want to remove it anyway |
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| 04:01.56 | blackshirt | cyfirus: a lot of packages depends on tzdata :d |
| 04:03.18 | cyfirus | If good thing is I'm installing openjdk but it depends on tzdata-java and that depends on tzdata but when I try to install says: |
| 04:03.19 | cyfirus | tzdata-java: Depends: tzdata (2011k-0squeeze1 =) but 2011n-0lenny1 will be installed |
| 04:03.21 | jsoft_ | Is there some magical way to get debian to use grsecurity without jumping through heaps of hoops? |
| 04:03.36 | cyfirus | ? |
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| 04:05.04 | Malsasa | blackshirt: Good morning, Sir... |
| 04:05.15 | Malsasa | I don't know if you like to join #debian. |
| 04:05.34 | Malsasa | Welcome, TasteofDeath.... |
| 04:05.36 | Malsasa | :D |
| 04:05.43 | blackshirt | Malsasa: automagically joined here :D |
| 04:05.44 | Malsasa | :) |
| 04:06.09 | Malsasa | How? |
| 04:07.09 | blackshirt | Malsasa: you can use irssi to auto connect and join some channel .. |
| 04:07.12 | blackshirt | :D |
| 04:07.26 | Malsasa | Hmmm... |
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| 04:07.39 | Malsasa | What is IRSSI? |
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| 04:07.54 | Malsasa | An application? |
| 04:07.54 | Malsasa | Sure, I don't understand. |
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| 04:08.51 | blackshirt | Malsasa: text mode irc client :D |
| 04:09.03 | Malsasa | Ow... |
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| 04:09.22 | skilz | hey im trying toplay a dvd with totem and i get this error "Could not read DVD. This may be because the DVD is encrypted and a DVD decryption library is not installed." |
| 04:09.46 | Flynn | Anyone here have luck with wireless Sprint modems on Debian? |
| 04:09.47 | Malsasa | I believe that you, Sir, are a man who have won many wars on yourself :D |
| 04:10.13 | blackshirt | skilz: install libdvdread4 package first |
| 04:10.34 | blackshirt | :-D |
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| 04:11.07 | somiaj | cyfirus: seems you have a broken install, seems you are trying to mix squeeze and lenny packages? |
| 04:11.07 | skilz | libdvdread4 is already the newest version. |
| 04:11.07 | skilz | libdvdread4 set to manually installed. |
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| 04:11.31 | somiaj | skilz: check out /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4 |
| 04:11.56 | somiaj | skilz: for encryption you need libdvdcss but debian cannot distribute that libary and you have to get it seperatlly, the docs explain how to do it |
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| 04:15.04 | cyfirus | somiaj: Did you mean: aplausos |
| 04:15.04 | cyfirus | Type text or a website address or translate a document. |
| 04:15.04 | cyfirus | Cancel |
| 04:15.04 | cyfirus | Spanish to English translation |
| 04:15.04 | cyfirus | Spanish |
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| 04:22.40 | Jef91 | On debian testing ARM the package "nodm" is failing to install, Post install script is failing with exit status 10 |
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| 04:27.37 | phorce1 | Jef91: fix it and submit a patch ... or submit a bug report |
| 04:28.05 | Jef91 | phorcel where at on the file system are the post install scripts located at again? |
| 04:28.11 | Jef91 | I can't remember, need to get at it to see the issue |
| 04:28.59 | phorce1 | Jef91: errr, hang on a sec. I have to look every time and I'm not on my regular box |
| 04:29.41 | phorce1 | Jef91: /var/lib/dpkg/ |
| 04:30.29 | phorce1 | ('locate postinst' points them out if you have locate installed) |
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| 04:46.39 | cyfirus | hi such good! any channel that can help me with ettercap is that I have some problems with filters! and dns_spoof |
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| 04:48.20 | Jef91 | Anyone know what this message at startup means? udevd[203] unable to receive ctrl connection: function not implemented |
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| 05:16.37 | Valtam | frickin earthquakes here again in NZ |
| 05:16.57 | Umeaboy | Valtam: Excuse me, but I was just out for a walk. |
| 05:17.11 | Umeaboy | That's why the earth shook. |
| 05:17.12 | Umeaboy | ;) |
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| 05:17.31 | Valtam | yeh thats a little insensitive |
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| 05:51.05 | crosswalk | Is there a command I can issue that will sync my system clock to display the correct time and date for my timezone? It somehow got changed. |
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| 05:52.30 | karlpinc | crosswalk: Do you dual boot? |
| 05:52.40 | crosswalk | karlpinc: I do not. |
| 05:52.58 | karlpinc | crosswalk: install the ntp package. |
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| 05:53.54 | karlpinc | crosswalk: You could also double-check the /etc/default/rcS file. (And you likely want your hardware clock in utc time.) |
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| 05:55.33 | crosswalk | karlpinc: Installing that package fixed the problem immediately. I'll take a look at that file and double check my hardware clock just to be sure. |
| 05:57.18 | crosswalk | karlpinc: The UTC setting is set to yes, so it must have been something with my hardware. I just noticed it, so it may have been incorrect for a while. |
| 05:58.09 | crosswalk | Thanks for the package reference, by the way. |
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| 07:04.04 | gentz | aptitude shows a package status as iBA , i => installed, but the manpage doesn't say what B A or BA stand for. Anyone know? |
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| 07:05.14 | gnarface | bacon and avacado? |
| 07:05.59 | gnarface | oh sorry its spelled avocado |
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| 07:10.39 | UNIm95 | hi all |
| 07:10.59 | UNIm95 | i have problem with setpingg exim4 |
| 07:14.21 | UNIm95 | i want to set up exim as mail server for a site. it means: some one send mail at user@domain.org. user opens thunderbird and get this mail. how can i do it? |
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| 07:17.40 | gnarface | UNIm95: i think that thunderbird (icedove in debian) requires that you connect to either a POP(S) or IMAP(S) daemon |
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| 07:19.31 | Digdilem | such as dovecot, but it needs exim or another MTA on teh server too |
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| 07:21.03 | gnarface | UNIm95: yes, to clarify you would run said daemon in addition to exim4 |
| 07:21.12 | UNIm95 | gnarface, Digdilem i don't really understand what you mean. i should install dovecot as pop/imap relay? |
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| 07:22.00 | Digdilem | UNIm95, you'd follow a guide to install exim. that handles mail in and out to other mailers. then you would install a way for users to get mail, such as dovecot which can handle pop3 or imap. |
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| 07:24.40 | gnarface | UNIm95: if you do not require icedove (thunderbird) there are mailers that can interact directly with mail formats that exim4 supports natively, but they tend not to be very friendly or have mouse support |
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| 07:28.37 | UNIm95 | gnarface exim is installed on a sever. users must have ability to get mail remote. with help of thunderbird/outlook |
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| 07:57.58 | Cale | Hi, I want to do a netinst of debian testing or unstable if possible via a USB drive. Is my best route to just install stable first and then upgrade everything, or is there a weekly netinst iso I could use? I'm not seeing one in http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ but perhaps I'm just looking in the wrong place? |
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| 07:58.28 | Cale | Or will the stable netinst let me configure that anyway? |
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| 08:01.31 | tonytraductor | the more I learn about Debian, the more I want to learn |
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| 08:02.37 | Cale | oh well, I guess I'll just try the stable netinst and see how that goes |
| 08:07.06 | Vasistha | tonytraductor: just hang out in this chan and you'll definitely learn |
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| 08:07.20 | Vasistha | tonytraductor: (are you using it?) |
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| 08:08.59 | Vasistha | cale: hmm I'm inclined to think there is a testing installer somewhere, but I'm not sure. There has been in the past, but I'm not presently certain |
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| 08:09.05 | Cale | Okay, well, that failed. I got to the installer boot splash screen/menu, and it was just frozen. The arrow keys/enter did nothing. |
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| 08:09.38 | Cale | My keyboard is USB-only, if that matters |
| 08:10.28 | gnarface | Cale: should still work but might require your bios have optional "legacy USB support" enabled sometimes labeled "assign IRQ to USB" |
| 08:10.30 | Vasistha | Cale: well... it depends on your hardware. most newer computers will support a usb keyboard at boot time |
| 08:10.32 | Cale | oh, I see |
| 08:10.51 | Cale | Yeah, my bios deals with the USB keyboard just fine |
| 08:10.51 | Vasistha | well that's just a better answer. |
| 08:10.55 | Cale | Perhaps it's just that |
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| 08:11.04 | Cale | okay, off to try that then :) |
| 08:11.42 | Vasistha | Hmm. It is possible to get a dpkg --get-selections list from a drive that is not booted? I tried to chroot to it, but that didn't seem to allow dpkg to work |
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| 08:11.59 | ubuntu | Hello, I'm running Linux from a USB drive. Apparently my hdd crashed. I wonder how to determine the right letter to attempt mounting ? "mount" says /dev/sda1 is now /cdrom (actually the USB i'm booting from). |
| 08:12.07 | gnarface | if Cale comes back someone let him know that also, some older machines have been known to freeze with squeeze on that screen (obscure intel i810 chipsets and other p3 era gunk) unless you pass no-hlt to the kernel |
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| 08:12.59 | gnarface | Vasistha: hmm. that has worked for me before.... your host kernel can't be too different from what the chrooted environment expects probably though |
| 08:13.01 | ubuntu | For USB, I can get around this by typing "dmesg" and reading recent messages. But is there a straightforward way to get a list of mountable devices ? |
| 08:13.26 | Vasistha | gnarface: host squeeze, chroot lenny |
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| 08:13.48 | sylecn | ubuntu: which distro are you booting? try: cat /etc/fstab |
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| 08:13.53 | Vasistha | ubuntu: I usually use fdisk -l |
| 08:14.19 | gnarface | ubuntu: check (assuming you're using debian - i can't speak for ubuntu) the symlinks in the /dev/disk/by-* directories |
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| 08:16.04 | Vasistha | gnarface: do you know where the database of installed package info is stored? I know there's a log in /var/log/dpkg or whatever |
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| 08:16.37 | ubuntu | I'm booting ubuntu (I use Debian myself) 11.10 (actually xubuntu 11.10). |
| 08:16.47 | ubuntu | I've jsut tried fdisk -l: no output. |
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| 08:17.00 | gnarface | Vasistha: not sure actually because i've always been able to get it via "dpkg -l" but I believe you want to look in /var/cache somewhere... maybe /var/cache/apt? |
| 08:17.15 | sylecn | ubuntu: use su or sudo to run fdisk -l |
| 08:17.29 | Vasistha | gnarface: oh, that sounds right. thanks. |
| 08:17.33 | ubuntu | /etc/fstab is nearly empty (tmpfs, overlayfs, 2 cryptic lines) |
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| 08:18.11 | Vasistha | gnarface: ohhh... just figured out why I'm not seeing it-- it's because /var is mounted separately ... heh, duh |
| 08:18.26 | gnarface | Vasistha: hah. that would fuck over dpkg ... |
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| 08:19.17 | ubuntu | Uh oh. The only thing I get from "sudo fdisk -l" is /dev/sda1, and that's already mounted as /cdrom (USB). Does this mean my mother's hdd is GONE ? |
| 08:19.19 | gnarface | Vasistha: for full functionality you want to make sure to mount your /proc /sys and /dev inside the chroot too |
| 08:19.41 | Vasistha | gnarface: ah, like a --bind mount from host to chroot? |
| 08:19.54 | gnarface | Vasistha: yea, exactly |
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| 08:20.33 | Vasistha | gnarface: ah, thanks-- yeah, working much better now.. I was having trouble with tab completion previously |
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| 08:21.20 | gnarface | ubuntu: that may only list mounted partitions. i'm really not sure. what do you see when you run: ls -l /dev/sd* |
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| 08:23.36 | ubuntu | gnarface: Yes, what I care about are not mounted partitions. ls -l /dev/sd* only gets me sda and sda1 :( |
| 08:25.14 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:26.41 | gnarface | ubuntu: i'd check dmesg for some sort of error messages from your harddrive controller first but it seems like one way or another you may have a hardware issue to debug before the software |
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| 08:27.54 | sylecn | ubuntu: usually a live distro should create auto mount points for all your hard disk partitions. like gnarface said, check dmesg for hardware errors. |
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| 08:35.06 | ubuntu | sylencn: I'm checking them, and I don't see anything I recognize as a hdd error, or even a hardware error. |
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| 08:42.40 | raboof | as far as i understand there's a serious security problem with sun/oracle java 1.6.0_27 and a serious licensing problem with 1.6.0_29. Has 1.6.0_28 been packaged at all? |
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| 08:43.15 | alex88 | hi guys, how do i get the /lib/modules/kernelver/build folder in debian? |
| 08:43.26 | alex88 | is there a package i should install? |
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| 08:46.05 | KamuiFury | I'm looking into make a simple liveCD and I found the live-build tools, but its online documents seem to be out of date, most of the files that it is asking to use do not exist |
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| 08:46.18 | KamuiFury | and the man pages are scattered |
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| 08:47.27 | KamuiFury | I'm trying to add custom packages to be installed into the chroot and some custom files into the livecd, where can I find updated man pages/documents or did I find a dead project |
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| 08:48.34 | dgvr | We're looking at Linux-HA for our clustering ... any other suggestions guys? |
| 08:50.29 | dgvr | ie. cluster management |
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| 08:53.46 | dgvr | openQRM is the other alternative currently ... |
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| 09:02.31 | lorenzosu | Hi all. |
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| 09:03.17 | lorenzosu | Anyone have an idea why lftp fails with an Unknown command error if I use the -c switch, while it works (with exactly the same command) if I put the -e switch? |
| 09:04.15 | sspreitzer | First guess, -c not supported |
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| 09:09.37 | lorenzosu | sspreitzer: mhh good guess I guess. |
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| 09:10.16 | lorenzosu | but the man page is confusing as it does mention "lftp -c commands" |
| 09:10.26 | lorenzosu | maybe -c requires a different syntax than -e |
| 09:11.57 | sspreitzer | lorenzosu: It may happen that man pages are outdated :( You may find more precise information on the website or in the documentation of the respective package. |
| 09:12.34 | KamuiFury | you should see me working with live-build I think the man pages are 4 years out of date |
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| 09:13.39 | sspreitzer | lorenzosu: http://lftp.yar.ru/lftp-man.html |
| 09:14.03 | sspreitzer | lorenzosu: may also be your lftp needs an update |
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| 09:14.49 | sspreitzer | o i see in debian its 4.0.6 on the website its 4.3.3 |
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| 09:15.07 | sspreitzer | KamuiFury: :) |
| 09:15.11 | lorenzosu | sspreitzer: mhh im on wheezy so I think it should be fairly updated |
| 09:15.30 | lorenzosu | on wheezy it's also 4.3.3 |
| 09:16.16 | sspreitzer | umm, in testing its 4.3.3, true |
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| 09:16.45 | lorenzosu | I think I may be using the wrong syntax maybe. indeed it says unknown command, |
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| 09:17.27 | CissWit | lorenzosu: -c and -e doesn't execute the commands in the same time |
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| 09:17.31 | dgvr | anyone using Xen? |
| 09:17.44 | CissWit | when -e is executed, lftp has already executed the "lftp" commands that connects to the server |
| 09:17.53 | CissWit | when -c is executed, nothing has been executed yet |
| 09:18.00 | lorenzosu | fact is the man to me is totally confusing as -c is also an option itself to varios commands :/ |
| 09:18.08 | CissWit | so you need to do lftp -c 'lftp ftp://youserver; ls' |
| 09:18.26 | lorenzosu | CissWit: ah cool... I thought that might be the problem... |
| 09:18.26 | CissWit | to make it work like lftp -e 'ls' ftp://yourserver |
| 09:18.51 | lorenzosu | so basically -e is "do the login thing and then the commands" while -c is "just do the commands" |
| 09:19.56 | CissWit | -e is like "do like if you printed a prompt and i sent a command" |
| 09:20.07 | CissWit | -c is like "do like if it's a rc file command" |
| 09:20.22 | CissWit | %s/is like/is/ |
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| 09:20.28 | lorenzosu | CissWit: thanks... that got me on the right track. It's working now ;) |
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| 09:23.18 | CissWit | anyway, i agree, the doc is not really clear on this point. |
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| 09:24.33 | masterkorp | hello last update just changed /etc/shadow permissions to 640 so no user could loging on the computer |
| 09:24.36 | blauefuesse | hello. I have an older Sony Vaio Laptop, since i installed Squeeze i get these errors Reports in "/var/log/Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/ispTSynD / hwinfo --gfxcard: http://pastebin.com/kp81pJvn / xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/vXFEyrr8 |
| 09:24.40 | lorenzosu | CissWit: well fortunatelly there is always the community, and I must say the debian one is one of the best ;) |
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| 09:25.16 | CissWit | ^^ |
| 09:25.52 | masterkorp | anyone had the same problem ? |
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| 09:27.22 | petern_ | 640 is normal for /etc/shadow |
| 09:27.56 | masterkorp | petern_: yeah, so how is possible to other users to login ? |
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| 09:28.27 | masterkorp | petern_: plus i had etckepper on the machines i can see that the permissions were changed in that update |
| 09:29.10 | petern_ | what update? it's always been 640 |
| 09:29.18 | petern_ | and owned by root:shadow |
| 09:30.19 | masterkorp | no, about the 20 computers the permissions were 644 and that update changed it, at night i will show the git diff |
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| 09:32.02 | petern_ | it most definitely should never be 644 |
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| 09:32.22 | masterkorp | petern_: why ? |
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| 09:32.49 | petern_ | it's supposed to be private |
| 09:32.53 | petern_ | that's why it exists |
| 09:33.09 | masterkorp | so, on loging how other users read the pass ? |
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| 09:34.20 | nevyn | users don't |
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| 09:34.54 | masterkorp | nevyn: how the login process works then ? |
| 09:35.09 | nevyn | login reads your password encrypts it with the same mechinism used to make the password then compares it to the contents of /etc/shadow for that user |
| 09:35.28 | nevyn | but login runs as root not as an unpirv user. |
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| 09:36.06 | masterkorp | nevyn: so, why no login has working then ? |
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| 09:39.01 | masterkorp | i was since that update that added a couple of users to /etc/shadow the file 644 i never messed with him manually (that i dont and git log -p shadow showed). I will be glady to try to find a reasonable explanation for that but i couldn't find any. And when i changed the permuissions back to 644, bam, it worked again |
| 09:39.02 | petern_ | nevyn, login doesn't, at least, not these days :) |
| 09:39.16 | petern_ | you added a couple of users to /etc/shadow? what? |
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| 09:39.29 | masterkorp | petern_: no apt did |
| 09:39.48 | petern_ | well, /etc/shadow should never be 644 |
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| 09:40.03 | masterkorp | why ? |
| 09:40.04 | petern_ | /sbin/unix_chkpwd is the helper tool that is used by pam_unix |
| 09:40.16 | petern_ | because the whole point of /etc/shadow is that it is not readable by users |
| 09:40.34 | petern_ | if it's readable, there's no point to it, and passwords would be stored in /etc/passwd |
| 09:40.49 | masterkorp | i wish |
| 09:41.18 | petern_ | you wish what? |
| 09:42.12 | masterkorp | well i do some more research because something was clearly not working on pam process |
| 09:42.21 | petern_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_password |
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| 09:57.19 | hid3 | Good afternoon everyone. Can I grant sudo access to a user to edit only files on particulat directory without having him/her to write the full path to a file? |
| 09:58.01 | hid3 | Let's say I add 'vi /home/configurations/*.conf' to sudoers and I want the user be able to do 'vi konfig.conf' after he cd'ed to /home/configurations |
| 09:58.03 | hid3 | any ideas? |
| 09:59.19 | sspreitzer | hid3: maybe you are better off creating a group for that set of files |
| 09:59.27 | sspreitzer | or use extended acls |
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| 10:00.27 | hid3 | but I'd have to change the permissions and ownership for those files, that's complicated in my setup |
| 10:01.22 | sspreitzer | yes, that you would have to change and it is the preferred way |
| 10:02.06 | hid3 | Or I might create a script, like 'editfile', which would do sudo vi /full/path/to/file.cfg and grant sudo for that |
| 10:02.14 | hid3 | Might try this |
| 10:03.21 | sspreitzer | hid3: please take a look here http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/ |
| 10:03.33 | sspreitzer | I think acl is your best fit solution |
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| 10:06.08 | hid3 | Thanks! |
| 10:06.37 | sspreitzer | your welcome :) |
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| 10:20.15 | Woet | why does the debian installer keep saying "mirror does not support the specific release (squeeze)"? |
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| 10:20.27 | Woet | i've checked the mirrors, they do support it |
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| 10:22.05 | ompaul | Woet: are you using a testing cd? |
| 10:22.11 | Woet | no, 6.0.3 amd64 |
| 10:22.31 | ompaul | what's the mirror you're looking at |
| 10:22.39 | Woet | ftp.nl.debian.org, ftp.debian.nl, etc. |
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| 10:24.05 | ompaul | Woet: it doesn't |
| 10:24.09 | ompaul | ftp://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/l/linux-modules-nonfree-2.6/ |
| 10:24.15 | ompaul | no sign of squeeze in there |
| 10:24.30 | Woet | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/Release |
| 10:25.33 | ompaul | Woet: what I pointed to is where it should have had all linux modules |
| 10:25.47 | Woet | ompaul: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/l/linux-modules-nonfree-2.6/ doesn't have those either |
| 10:25.52 | Woet | so all mirrors are broken? |
| 10:26.01 | ompaul | hmm hang on |
| 10:26.05 | ompaul | I may be very wrong |
| 10:26.10 | Woet | i think you are |
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| 10:28.08 | ompaul | bah |
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| 10:28.24 | ompaul | Woet: a very fast link near you is ftp.ie |
| 10:28.43 | Woet | i've skipped mirror now, will update after installation |
| 10:28.46 | ompaul | it's multi gig non contended and should be on enough backbone to get you installed |
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| 10:29.01 | ompaul | has been using cdn. |
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| 10:41.07 | EdePopede | hi all. how often should debian be updated (aka reinstalled)? |
| 10:41.16 | mr_empty | hello, ftpes client for debian? |
| 10:41.44 | s70rm | lftp |
| 10:41.48 | mr_empty | nope |
| 10:41.48 | osom | ncftp |
| 10:42.28 | somiaj | EdePopede: I've been runing the same sid install for years. If managed correctly a debian install should work fine though many releases (since you can upgrade from one release to the next with apt) |
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| 10:43.15 | blackshirt | EdePode: not trully true for reinstalled.. |
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| 10:44.07 | somiaj | EdePopede: if your machine is comprmised in anyway that is one good time to reinstall (since it may not be possible to determine any backdoors/bugs/holes left by the attacker) |
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| 10:45.34 | EdePopede | it is because.. my xfce 4.6 (installed july or so) seems to be stoneage, firefox has a new version every 3 month... seems like only core-utils would still follow the old mechanism... then and when an update and else keep it running for years |
| 10:46.00 | folivora | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:46.16 | folivora | or does MPD/Sonata use curl ? |
| 10:46.44 | blackshirt | EdePode: i have debian for approximately two years installed without reinstall |
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| 10:47.41 | EdePopede | somiaj: this is why i try not to run what i dont use, not to install what i dont run. and why incoming connections are blocked. but again, i found this thunar running for no reason.... |
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| 10:49.19 | EdePopede | and then there is console-kit-daemon, i've read in a forum some time ago that it is not meant to start those 63 processes or so |
| 10:50.41 | gentz | Is there a log file for checking whether the network was termporarily disrupted? |
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| 10:51.34 | somiaj | gentz: depends what disrupted it. |
| 10:51.40 | engine64 | hi all, what do you called that feature or technology that diasallow or limits clients or user of a switch or AP to not reach other? I know this is common on commercial public hotspots. thanks in advance. |
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| 10:51.44 | jmd | Anyone know of any good texts on securing NFS ? |
| 10:52.13 | gentz | somiaj: how can i tell? |
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| 10:52.28 | somiaj | gentz: if somethig on your system such as reloading your network card caused the disruption that is loged, while if it is just the network on the other side of your router goes down that isn't loged by default and you may have to get a tool to monintor that. |
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| 10:55.26 | EdePopede | how can i find out what packages depend on a certain package? (aka: can i purge the package without any problems?) |
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| 10:57.09 | ompaul | EdePopede: you can purge with apt-get remove --purge packageA it won't remove foo where foo is a deb of packageB |
| 10:57.13 | jmd | EdePopede, One way is to say apt-get purge and note what it tells you will be removed. |
| 10:57.46 | ompaul | s/deb/ dependancy/ |
| 10:58.01 | ompaul | stops typing can't do it right |
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| 11:01.24 | nkuttler | EdePopede: apt-cache rdepends, but that's only one level. you might want to look into debfoster |
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| 11:01.31 | somiaj | EdePopede: you can search both depends and reverse depends with aptitude. |
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| 11:02.36 | mr_empty1 | some other ideas for ftpes client for linux |
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| 11:02.37 | EdePopede | nkuttler: right. had to find some weeks ago that i cant remove some touchscreen stuff(!!!) on my desktop computer, because mplayer and another program needs it. 3 levels later :\ |
| 11:02.40 | gentz | somiaj: what's an example of such a tool? |
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| 11:02.58 | somiaj | gentz: I don't know of one that probes the network. |
| 11:03.30 | jelly | EdePopede: also: aptitude why packagename |
| 11:03.32 | EdePopede | deps ist something i would REALLY apreciate a nice graph :D |
| 11:03.44 | EdePopede | oh, sounds good... |
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| 11:05.28 | EdePopede | gvfs again -.- |
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| 11:05.55 | Cale | is dismayed by the extent to which his hate for Ubuntu is really just hate for Gnome 3 and PulseAudio ;__; Oh well, I prefer debian testing anyway for the continuous updates. Maybe I'll try this MATE thing. |
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| 11:07.07 | somiaj | its called MATE instead of cut now? Squeeze still has gnome2, though I'd suggest using a light weight WM. |
| 11:07.24 | Cale | I want a proper gnome-panel with applets. |
| 11:08.01 | Cale | also, I actually do use nautilus a fair amount |
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| 11:08.47 | osom | Cale: thought about trying cinnamon? |
| 11:08.56 | Cale | Haven't heard of it... |
| 11:09.01 | somiaj | well you may just get use to gnome3 if you go that route. |
| 11:09.09 | osom | its a gnome-shell fork |
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| 11:09.32 | Cale | I see |
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| 11:10.06 | Cale | also, why is my gnome-panel not responding to right clicks at the moment? |
| 11:10.21 | Cale | I'm using "Gnome Classic" in debian testing |
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| 11:11.14 | osom | gnome classic != gnome 2, its just gnome 3 looking like gnome 2 |
| 11:11.36 | Cale | yeah, so that's just broken? You can't install other applets? |
| 11:11.37 | somiaj | Cale: you know of #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, might get some better responses about the current state of gnome in testing there. |
| 11:11.45 | Cale | ah, okay |
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| 11:12.23 | somiaj | Cale: don't really know much about gnome, I switched to fvwm years ago and have been glad to not have the bloat of a DE. |
| 11:12.54 | osom | Cale: im at #debian-next, too, lets talk there |
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| 11:17.56 | EdePopede | what has been the reason to use a DE instead of a WM years ago? taskbar, icon management and the like... and missing config tools iirc? |
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| 11:19.48 | jibos | Hi, I have a problem with gnome-sound-recorder |
| 11:20.23 | jibos | it doesn't record sound at all, does anybody know how to solve it? |
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| 11:29.18 | EdePopede | great... aptitude remove gnome-commander removed even bzip2 -.- |
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| 11:30.56 | somiaj | EdePopede: most likely you had bzip2 installed as an 'auto' package and have removed everythign that depends on it (so aptitude removed it as well) |
| 11:31.02 | aaron_ | i have a question how can i fix the grub issue? |
| 11:31.04 | MrFrood | EdePopede: that would be because they were marked as auto installed |
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| 11:31.06 | aaron_ | i was using ubuntu to boot |
| 11:31.28 | EdePopede | may be... but of course i dont remember EVERY package after month |
| 11:32.18 | MrFrood | EdePopede: just reinstall them |
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| 11:32.59 | EdePopede | and the only reason to remove gnome-commander as testcase was the output of 'aptitude why libgnome2-0' ... mentioned GC, but no it mentions vim-gnome, which it did not before :( |
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| 11:33.40 | EdePopede | depenedncies are not trivial, i know... |
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| 11:34.41 | MrFrood | EdePopede: you can mark stuff manually installed before yo do remove/purge |
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| 11:37.32 | EdePopede | doesn't work in the shell, only in the interface version of aptitude. and with deps as in the case of gnome-commander (MANY!!! and nested) would mean doing research on each package. lot of work |
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| 11:39.02 | MrFrood | EdePopede: May I suggest that you review the man pages for aptitude and dpkg |
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| 11:40.29 | EdePopede | i do this every few days... only there are too many programs for software management. and too many ways to do the same task |
| 11:41.18 | EdePopede | btw.. aptitude / apt-* / dkpg / dpkg-* / dselect (just seen the last one in dpkg output) |
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| 11:41.53 | MrFrood | EdePopede: most of us seem to be able to install/uninstal software without incident |
| 11:42.52 | EdePopede | MrFrood: i always had problems with names. means here, i cant remember which one does what, since i dont see any structure or logic |
| 11:43.21 | MrFrood | EdePopede: pick a tool and stick with it (i.e. use either apt or aptitude but not both) |
| 11:44.47 | EdePopede | i tried, but the google like search function ("i want to install package X") irritates me (btw i found google more userfriendly before the came up with the web2 crap) |
| 11:44.48 | MrFrood | apt/aptitude/etc act as frontends to dpkg wich does the actual installing so being familiar with dpkg is also useful |
| 11:45.30 | EdePopede | did someone make a picture of the whole stuff? |
| 11:45.47 | EdePopede | like how all those programs fit together |
| 11:47.59 | MrFrood | EdePopede: in my case I use aptiude from the command line (not in its TUI mode) and I use the web interface at http://packages.debian.org/ to find new software |
| 11:48.02 | EdePopede | hmm.. any reason to use aptget install instead of aptitude install? |
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| 11:49.21 | MrFrood | EdePopede: each has its strengths but really at the end of the day I think it's just a matter of which you feel most at home with |
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| 11:50.26 | MrFrood | !why aptitude |
| 11:50.26 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. lenny->squeeze). Read the release notes and http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
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| 11:53.16 | dekroning | is there a way to send a non ascii value over a socket? via Netcat or something ? |
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| 12:21.37 | EdePopede | are there any problems with synaptic? coming from suse (read: yast) i used it in the beginning and some of the flags looked strange in aptitude later. had the impression that the database was not updated as it should have been. |
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| 12:24.02 | MrFrood | EdePopede: synaptic is a gui front end for apt |
| 12:24.33 | MrFrood | as I said earlier try sticking to just one tool |
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| 12:27.05 | EdePopede | i deinstalled it and started to use only aptitude... only for querying and quick installs/removes i use apt- / dpkg- |
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| 12:29.15 | MrFrood | EdePopede: I'm seriously starting to wonder if you are trolling :| |
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| 12:33.05 | EdePopede | MrFrood: too much text for a troll i think ;) ... last time i used debian has been with a 2.0 kernel, suse in the meantime, the last years (read: the last pc) with kde... and things don't always change to the better, i like small and clean systems and to keep an overview, which was far easier years ago :( |
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| 12:36.55 | MrFrood | EdePopede: just try sticking with either aptitude OR apt - when you know what you want to install aptitude can be run from the command line as 'aptitude install|reinstall|remove|purge foo' |
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| 12:38.38 | John563 | Hello, folks. |
| 12:38.47 | kopilo | hey currently running the latest version of debian squeeze, having an issue using "screen" my non root users are unable to use screen due to "can not open /dev/ttyp# permission denied", I have tried setting all the ttyps to be rw, but no luck |
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| 12:39.02 | EdePopede | is aptitude install just a convenience friontend to apt-get install or is there a difference in the result? |
| 12:39.06 | John563 | I am having trouble. how can I get a usb modem to work on Debian? |
| 12:39.42 | kopilo | EdePopede, http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/aptitude |
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| 12:40.52 | cek | hi. you know what. i can't find a way to override expiration date when signing a csr with openssl. |
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| 12:41.42 | waka | which modem is it mate? I |
| 12:42.18 | waka | John563: ve got Netgear wg111v3 here and works like a charm |
| 12:42.19 | MrFrood | kopilo: try asking in #screen |
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| 12:42.46 | waka | I used ndiswrapper for my modem |
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| 12:47.41 | themill | kopilo: are you running screen after having run "su - someotheruser"? |
| 12:47.58 | kopilo | nope |
| 12:48.07 | kopilo | I am running via ssh though |
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| 12:51.35 | John563 | waka: I'm fairly inexperienced with Linux. I have a Sprint modem. Any suggestions on how to get it to work? |
| 12:51.58 | John563 | waka: It was fairly simple on Ubuntu, but I am having trouble in Debian. |
| 12:54.14 | MrFrood | John563: this is just a wild guess but as it workked with ubuntu perhaps you need the non-free firmware package? |
| 12:55.36 | John563 | MrFrood: I suspect I would have to get that from somewhere that has an internet connection, right? |
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| 12:56.07 | MrFrood | John563: most likley |
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| 12:56.33 | John563 | MrFrood: Thanks. |
| 12:57.17 | jibos | Hi, I have a problem with gnome-sound-recorder |
| 12:57.29 | jibos | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:57.34 | MrFrood | John563: http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 12:59.17 | kopilo | thanks for the help, have screen working now :) |
| 12:59.32 | MrFrood | kopilo: Yay |
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| 13:02.25 | MrFrood | jibos: I'm not a gnoome user but as you posted earlier and got no responce - it might help if you porvided more info - e.g what input source and what soundcard |
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| 13:02.56 | kopilo | also if what your sound setup is, alsa, oss, jack, pulseaudio |
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| 13:09.06 | Cthululz | Searching social networks used to be a hassle... no longer. Check this out http://tawlk.com/ |
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| 13:09.29 | themill | Cthululz: spam elsewhere, thanks |
| 13:09.41 | Cthululz | Searching social networks used to be a hassle... no longer. Check this out http://tawlk.com/ |
| 13:09.47 | Cthululz | seriously |
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| 13:09.50 | Cthululz | it just started |
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| 13:10.21 | blacened | Does anyone have experience connecting vpn service to a broadband router? |
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| 13:18.36 | ojtimsen | blacken do ypu prefer IPsec or OpenVPN? |
| 13:19.26 | cookiemon5ter | how does one go about installing nvidia drivers on debian |
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| 13:20.44 | ojtimsen | cookiemon5ter: have you read through http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 13:21.21 | cookiemon5ter | no |
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| 13:23.21 | jelly | that page is a bit bloated up |
| 13:23.30 | jelly | cookiemon5ter: which debian release? |
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| 13:23.50 | cookiemon5ter | 6.0.3 |
| 13:23.59 | jelly | !tell cookiemon5ter -about nvidia dkms |
| 13:24.35 | joltcan | ojtimsen: Definitely OpenVPN. IPsec is usually overcomplicating things |
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| 13:24.46 | cookiemon5ter | what a pita |
| 13:24.54 | jelly | cookiemon5ter: that whole second sentence, inside the "" there's a single command line to be run as root |
| 13:25.09 | jelly | cookiemon5ter: yes. |
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| 13:26.29 | roll0s | hello |
| 13:27.00 | ojtimsen | !tell ojtimsen -about nvidia dkms |
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| 13:27.16 | roll0s | i'm not speak english verey good, sorry i'm going to debian-es |
| 13:28.40 | jelly | ojtimsen: you can also do "/msg dpkg stuff" instead of asking it in the channel |
| 13:29.03 | ojtimsen | ACK |
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| 13:30.30 | xk | How do I install a package without running postinst? or atleast ignore the errors? |
| 13:31.00 | xk | or... why does the package not respect that I disabled a service, and wants to automatically start it again upon package upgrade? |
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| 13:39.34 | blacken | ojtimsen, thanks for asking. not sure, the router is Davolink DV2020, the VPN is privacy.io |
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| 13:43.11 | jmd | Hello. Much against my wishes, I have to start using WPA on our wifi. The man page for wpa_supplicant, ifconfig and iwconfig don't actually say what needs to be done. Where is this documented? |
| 13:43.28 | qr223 | did you check your butt? |
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| 13:44.59 | themill | qr223: play elsewhere. |
| 13:45.08 | qr223 | i'm playing on the internet |
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| 13:45.24 | themill | qr223: try playing in the traffic then |
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| 13:45.38 | ojtimsen | blacken this device only supports IPsec tunnels |
| 13:45.41 | qr223 | i'm generating lots of tcp traffic with my internet relay chats |
| 13:45.52 | themill | jmd: man 5 interfaces provides further information. Alternatively, use a wireless connection manager of some description. |
| 13:46.52 | blacken | ojtimsen, do you mean to say I can't share the connection via this particular router? And if so, then what kind of device do I need? |
| 13:48.21 | jmd | themill, man 5 interfaces doesn't even mention wpa_supplicant WPA and only very briefly mentions encryption |
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| 13:50.09 | themill | jmd: gah... sorry, I meant wireless(7), but that only talks about WEP not WPA too. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse has sufficient detail |
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| 13:51.31 | Craigwd_2000 | I keep getting weird messages in dmesg...; it claims it can |
| 13:51.49 | Craigwd_2000 | 't identify my laptop's make or even it model number... |
| 13:51.53 | jmd | themill, Thanks |
| 13:52.10 | Craigwd_2000 | its* |
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| 13:53.27 | qxt | Just installed Debian. Then xfce4.8. When I try to start synaptic I get a "Failed to execute command "su-to-root -X -c /usr/sbin/synaptic" |
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| 13:53.31 | Craigwd_2000 | its model number* |
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| 13:55.21 | themill | qxt: do you have the "menu" command installed? |
| 13:55.26 | themill | err.. "menu" package |
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| 13:56.30 | qxt | themill let me take a look. I might be very wrong but is menu not a Gnome tool? |
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| 13:57.34 | themill | it is not. gnome ignores everything that menu does iirc |
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| 13:58.11 | qxt | themill thank you. That fixed my problem =) |
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| 14:04.27 | dolphin | 14:04 ::: Irssi: #debian: Total of 1137 nicks [2 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 1135 normal] |
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| 14:05.22 | dolphin | almost 1337! |
| 14:05.50 | qr223 | that's true |
| 14:05.52 | qr223 | those are similar numbers |
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| 14:13.54 | dolphin | hey jakk u got that shell on that chat box |
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| 14:15.49 | mrtn | It's not directly Debian related question(probably security related), but has anyone heard about eavesdroping msn conversations centrally? I mean searching certain keywords and then logging those conversations if needed. |
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| 14:18.46 | ompaul | mrtn: well done it is not a debian question and given I wasted this much energy "no" |
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| 14:24.04 | dolphin | ? |
| 14:24.43 | dolphin | does anyone here know how to patch KDE into FreeBSD? |
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| 14:24.53 | dolphin | hacker! |
| 14:25.08 | ompaul | dolphin: eh - shouldn't you ask that in #freebsd (and use ports or packages) |
| 14:25.28 | dolphin | ay |
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| 14:26.12 | dolphin | ? |
| 14:26.21 | dolphin | ? |
| 14:26.29 | zW | Hi. I have a lvm volume, works perfectly with no errors on it, when I reboot my server I get a crtl-d bad disk inconsitency error on /dev/sdb1, wich is a disk with LVM on |
| 14:26.42 | zW | when I do crtl-d and fsch the lvm volume, is says OK |
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| 14:27.01 | nah_ | how to add some screen sizes to menu with res- in existed ones there is no my lcd's native res? system debian testing |
| 14:27.02 | zW | someone alive with an idea ? |
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| 14:27.57 | dolphin | how to add some screen sizes to menu with res- in existed ones there is no my lcd's native res? system debian testing |
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| 14:28.19 | qr223 | sudo apt-get install man finger touch |
| 14:28.22 | qr223 | oops wrong terminal |
| 14:28.31 | dolphin | hhH haaHAAa |
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| 14:29.05 | themill | qr223: that's enough, thanks. |
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| 14:29.13 | qr223 | you're welcome |
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| 14:33.15 | cookiemon5ter | !tell cookiemon5ter -about nvidia dkms |
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| 14:37.02 | dolphin | ? |
| 14:37.21 | dolphin | stuart little! |
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| 14:37.26 | dolphin | lil stu |
| 14:38.13 | themill | dolphin: perhaps you were looking for #defocus |
| 14:38.18 | dolphin | ? |
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| 14:39.51 | dolphin | ? |
| 14:40.53 | jelly | dolphin: this ain't a chitchat channel, but one to get help with a specific operating system |
| 14:41.27 | dolphin | well i find it weird that when i ask a legitimate question no one wants to answer but as soon as i say something off topic the chats come out of the shadows |
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| 14:42.05 | Digdilem | not everyone knows everything, but most know what not to do. |
| 14:42.19 | dolphin | nice support channel then |
| 14:43.00 | themill | dolphin: you could try having a higher signal:noise and providing enough detail in your question that anyone has a chance of answering it |
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| 14:44.09 | dolphin | i've provided enough detail to describe my problem and how i want to approach it and solve it |
| 14:44.22 | dolphin | perhaps if you want to discuss my question asking skill you can take it to #defocus |
| 14:44.45 | themill | dolphin: no-one has any clue what you're asking. Have another go. |
| 14:44.46 | dolphin | until then if you want to provide support then provide support |
| 14:44.57 | dolphin | how to add some screen sizes to menu with res- in existed ones there is no my lcd's native res? system debian testing |
| 14:45.13 | themill | "to menu" means what? |
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| 14:46.04 | dolphin | to the menu |
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| 14:46.39 | themill | I'm so glad you explained that more fully. |
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| 14:47.06 | dolphin | thanks |
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| 14:48.44 | dolphin | ? |
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| 14:50.19 | dolphin | ? |
| 14:50.23 | dolphin | n e chats |
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| 14:51.20 | Digdilem | your attitude sucks tbh. everyone here gives up their time free to help people, but you seem to be expecting answers now and are getting sarcastic when nobody answers. |
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| 14:53.53 | dolphin | its not that im getting sarcastic when nobody answers, it's that you only have something to say when you tell someone that they are being off topic but when someone actually needs support you do not provide |
| 14:54.06 | dolphin | if you would like to discuss my attitude i think #defocus is the place for you |
| 14:54.27 | daveo | how to add some screen sizes to menu with res- in existed ones there is no my lcd's native res? system debian testing |
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| 14:54.36 | dolphin | how to add some screen sizes to menu with res- in existed ones there is no my lcd's native res? system debian testing |
| 14:54.44 | Digdilem | hang around, you'll see huge amounts of support given. and no, I won't join your channel. Anyway, no more from me for hypocrisy reasons. |
| 14:55.23 | dolphin | ive been here for a week and i've seen zero support being given |
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| 14:55.32 | daveo | screen sizes = your screen never changes with menu-which menu where with res- not clear in existed ones, past tense, there is no my lcid's native res?????? |
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| 14:56.40 | daveo | state problem, state what you have tried, state where you would like help, be courteous |
| 14:57.10 | Digdilem | dolphin, ok - one more line. Be aware this channel is mostly american, I see you're russian (or routing via there) - most support here is to US timezones. That said, I see support being given in-depth just an hour or so ago. Whatever. |
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| 14:57.42 | dolphin | screen sizes = your screen never changes with menu-which menu where with res- not clear in existed ones, past tense, there is no my lcid's native res?????? |
| 14:58.20 | daveo | yesh |
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| 14:59.14 | dolphin | ? |
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| 15:00.24 | daveo | dolphin: i was pointing out your original post/question makes no sense |
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| 15:01.30 | themill | dolphin: until you ask the question in a way that people understand, you'll not get support anywhere. And insulting the people who are trying to get more details out of you doesn't help either. |
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| 15:04.24 | dolphin | ive provided enough detail and context into my question that anyone could know what i am asking, it shouldn't be pretty hard to understand my question. I do not appreciate you insulting my english because you lack the skills to provide support in a support channel |
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| 15:07.48 | themill | dolphin: well, if anyone can answer your question, then you'll have answered it yourself. Have a nice day! |
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| 15:18.54 | ronr | hi, I got a quick ssh tunneling question, I know how to tunnel for example localhost:80 to myserver:80, but now I want local:80 to myserver to otherserver:80, however otherserver has no ssh and is on a different network (I get to myserver on eth0 and can continue to otherserver over eth1), any clues |
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| 15:19.54 | themill | ronr: you can just specify a hostname for the remote part; note that the connection between myserver and otherserver will not be encrypted. |
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| 15:22.08 | ronr | themill: ssh -L 81:myserver:otherserver:80? |
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| 15:23.14 | dolphin | BRB FAG FUCK SHIT NIGGER MOTHERFUCKER COCK ASSHOLE DICK BITCH BULLSHIT CLUSTERFUCKFUCK SHIT NIGGER MOTHERFUCKER COCK ASSHOLE DICK BITCH BULLSHIT CLUSTERFUCKFUCK SHIT NIGGER MOTHERFUCKER COCK ASSHOLE DICK BITCH BULLSHIT CLUSTERFUCKFUCK SHIT NIGGER MOTHERFUCKER COCK ASSHOLE DICK BITCH BULLSHIT CLUSTERFUCKFUCK SHIT NIGGER MOTHERFUCKER COCK ASSHOLE DICK BITCH BULLSHIT CLUSTERFUCK :) :( |
| 15:23.17 | dolphin | ¨R@v5HÊÂQÃSç%I°JK±ý:wtñé©Ô1WëpU?wýÄZ´AËjÞîëô»]ÞÅJÁï0k |
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| 15:23.27 | dolphin | fõCdB5¡]À`ÚCÄu¶ÿ¶ª |
| 15:23.28 | dolphin | »j}¤ÔØmã6dYøz$!~@cY%Ç1¯C5kêis`µ
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| 15:24.27 | daveo | well, that was unpleasant |
| 15:24.52 | Digdilem | but not unexpected |
| 15:24.55 | themill | ronr: the format is localaddress:port:remoteaddress:port -- you're presumably using -L 81:myserver:80 at the moment, -L 81:otherserver:80 is all you need for what you want. |
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| 15:25.32 | ronr | themill: ah, thx. I was using 81:myserver indeed |
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| 15:29.48 | patterson | how to win friends and influence people. I'm looking for a customer service rep if he comes back |
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| 15:33.18 | phorce1 | lots and lots of conflicts with my lenny--->squeeze upgrade. Guess I'm stuck with a half-lenny system for a while as I work around them. |
| 15:33.42 | themill | phorce1: are you following the release notes? |
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| 15:58.30 | phorce1 | themill: I thought I did ---- need to reread and see what I missed. This was an after-midnight dist-upgrade that I fell asleep halfway through. I ghosted my original lenny drive so I can start over if need be. |
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| 15:58.49 | themill | phorce1: using apt-get or aptitude? |
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| 15:59.29 | phorce1 | themill: aptitude. pulling up release notes again |
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| 15:59.44 | mmcr | Hi -- I just installed Debian on my laptop and, when X is running, the keyboard layout turns to US (as opposed to GB when at the console, as it should be). What do I do to fix this? Running wheezy. Thanks in advance. |
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| 16:01.04 | phorce1 | themill: crap. Now I wonder if it's broke bad enough that I need to reimage and start over |
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| 16:01.52 | themill | phorce1: it's entirely recoverable, you just might need to install packages that got removed by mistake. |
| 16:01.58 | jakk | how do i install gentoo with apt |
| 16:02.18 | mmcr | jakk: >>>/g/ |
| 16:02.27 | jakk | ? |
| 16:02.38 | themill | jakk: apt-get install gentoo; the apt-get manpage covers this. |
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| 16:02.55 | phorce1 | themill: I actually have a big huge pile of packages on hold rather than a bunch of missing stuff |
| 16:03.06 | themill | phorce1: on hold or held back? |
| 16:03.15 | phorce1 | themill: held-back |
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| 16:03.47 | themill | a dist-upgrade should sort them out |
| 16:04.08 | jakk | bash: apt-get: command not found |
| 16:04.11 | jakk | ...?? |
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| 16:05.02 | phorce1 | themill: using apt-get rather than aptitude. aptitude dist-upgrade just complians about conflicts and as a solution holds-back that big list. |
| 16:05.41 | themill | phorce1: yes, using apt-get as the aptitude resolver tends to over-think the situation |
| 16:06.01 | phorce1 | themill: here goes nothing, watch for smoke and fire. heh |
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| 16:07.51 | phorce1 | themill: it's not like redoing is a big deal. I have a squeeze mirror on a local drive. "Need to get 0B of 2350MB" |
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| 16:08.39 | phorce1 | themill: and my boot/root drive is only an 80GB drive to re-image and I'm instantly back where I was yesterday. |
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| 16:09.08 | themill | phorce1: you're a kde user aren't you? |
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| 16:10.57 | phorce1 | themill: mixed kde/gnome, primarily gnome (from an initial debian install of "desktop environment") |
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| 16:11.57 | themill | phorce1: I've found that letting apt remove all the kde stuff and then installing a kde metapackage later is one of the best ways of dealing with kde3→kde4 (which really seems to confuse apt) |
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| 16:13.34 | MariusKarthaus | I'm sorry if this is offtopic, but I'm going to ask anyway because #debian always seems to have the smartest people ;) I'm looking for a serverside scanner (preferably foss) that will look for old/vulnerable webapps like old phpmyadmins/ phpthumb / webshops etc etc. I'm able to keep a pretty good eye one my own stuff but all the colocated and virtual servers of customers that each have customers with websites on them is just |
| 16:13.34 | MariusKarthaus | impossible to keep track of. I want to automate this process and ask/force all our customers that run their own webservers and sites to run this too. I'm getting sick of the scriptkiddies on our networks because of customers that think their websites with off the shelf webshop back from 2003 never need an update. |
| 16:14.28 | mmcr | well somehow |
| 16:14.31 | mmcr | it fixed itself |
| 16:15.25 | kesroesweyth | any command line calculator built into debian? |
| 16:16.08 | themill | ,info bc |
| 16:16.10 | judd | Package bc (math, standard) in squeeze/i386: The GNU bc arbitrary precision calculator language. Version: 1.06.95-2; Size: 101.9k; Installed: 300k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/bc |
| 16:16.54 | themill | kesroesweyth: there are plenty of others that are nicer to use, but that one is Priority: standard, so is "built in", if you like. |
| 16:17.14 | kesroesweyth | I see. I'm basically just looking for a way to do a couple of calculations in a bash script. |
| 16:17.20 | kesroesweyth | Maybe I'm not asking for the right thing. :) |
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| 16:17.47 | themill | kesroesweyth: bash can do integer arithmetic itself; piping into bc is possible too; using awk for this isn't uncommon either |
| 16:18.30 | kesroesweyth | I have two variables that I need to divide (one divided by the other). Is there a simple way to do this? |
| 16:19.25 | themill | kesroesweyth: integers? |
| 16:19.42 | kesroesweyth | yeah |
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| 16:19.53 | nkuttler | kesroesweyth: let foo="8/3" |
| 16:20.32 | kesroesweyth | Thanks! |
| 16:20.33 | themill | kesroesweyth: $(( $x / $y )) (beware that it rounds down fractions) |
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| 16:20.47 | kesroesweyth | Yeah, I'm noticing that. That's okay. |
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| 16:21.06 | AimHere | kesroesweyth, there is the Olde Unixe dc utility but learning the syntax for that might take a while |
| 16:21.27 | kesroesweyth | thanks, I think this should do the trick for what i need it for |
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| 16:24.48 | dury | hi there |
| 16:25.02 | dury | Merry Xmas all :) |
| 16:25.57 | blacken | what's the best way to host if you're concerned about seizure or takedown? |
| 16:26.27 | jhutchins_lt | blacken: Selling warez again? |
| 16:27.35 | blacken | haha, jhutchins_lt, you have me confused with someone else |
| 16:28.12 | blacken | there are perfectly legitimate reasons to want to know this |
| 16:28.36 | lstarnes | make sure that there is no potentially infringing content |
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| 16:30.02 | blacken | lstarnes -1 for you, sir! ;) |
| 16:30.12 | blacken | it's a serious question |
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| 16:44.10 | cookiemon5ter | any of you know of a program to convert xps to pdf |
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| 16:46.02 | phorce1 | themill: I never installed the full kde metapackage, just pulled in libraries when i found things I wanted to play with that were kde'd with no gmome'd version |
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| 16:47.21 | phorce1 | themill: nothing appears to have broken from the apt-get dist-upgrade (except things I expected to break like "same-gnome" going missing) |
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| 16:48.01 | themill | cookiemon5ter: okular claims to be able to read them; it will presumably use some other library to do that but I don't know which. |
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| 16:50.56 | daveo | hrmmmm... ErgoEmacs http://code.google.com/p/ergoemacs/wiki/DeveloperIntro --windows specific 'easy' emacs? |
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| 16:51.19 | cookiemon5ter | themill: thanks i found some site to do it |
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| 16:51.52 | phorce1 | themill: hmph, xrandr doesn't know my second screen has resoultions above 1024x768 now. At least it didn't forget screen0 does 1920x1080 native. |
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| 16:52.37 | daveo | pardon the post, meant to go to #emacs |
| 16:52.38 | phorce1 | I still need to upgrade from the bpo kernel and rebuild nvidia drivers. That'll probably fix errors like that |
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| 17:03.52 | KSHawkEye | Does anyone know how I can create a shortcut to a command with debian LXDE? |
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| 17:04.11 | mrfree | hi all |
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| 17:04.26 | mrfree | how can I skip network init script during boot? |
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| 17:05.22 | mrfree | I mean something to add to cmdline... I need to temporary skip network script because of a sync ppp that doesn't let the server to boot |
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| 17:10.40 | gcmalloc | iptables ? |
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| 17:11.36 | mrfree | any interactive boot mode in debian? |
| 17:11.47 | mrfree | I'm using squeeze |
| 17:12.19 | krion | mrfree: not that i know |
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| 17:13.05 | mrfree | krion: any idea on how I can skip an init script that simply loop stopping the boot process? |
| 17:13.53 | JaredKz | hey, I've just got a USB to ethernet adapter, how do I go about setting it up for connectivity? are there specific anything I need? |
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| 17:15.19 | phorce1 | mrfree: modify the init script with an "if exist [specialfile]" line at the top that does an "exit 0" if the file is there. then when you need it to not run just touch your special file. |
| 17:15.24 | krion | mrfree: once booted you can remove the init script |
| 17:15.43 | mrfree | krion: sure :) the problem is I can't boot :) |
| 17:15.44 | krion | update-rc.d -f remove script |
| 17:15.58 | krion | is ctrl^c not working ? |
| 17:16.07 | krion | you can try to boot as single user |
| 17:16.16 | krion | add single in grub to your kernel add |
| 17:16.25 | phorce1 | mrfree: you can't even boot in "single" mode? |
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| 17:18.15 | mrfree | phorce1: nope because the problematic script is network |
| 17:18.34 | mrfree | and it starts on S runlevel too |
| 17:18.44 | krion | start from livecd |
| 17:18.51 | krion | mount the / |
| 17:19.11 | krion | and remove all the symbolic link from /etc/rc*.d |
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| 17:26.07 | Guest85853 | buys |
| 17:26.09 | Guest85853 | guys |
| 17:26.11 | Guest85853 | This application cannot be executed from commandline, you have to use inetd |
| 17:26.14 | Guest85853 | how i can fix it' |
| 17:26.15 | Guest85853 | ? |
| 17:26.15 | mrfree | krion: yup I start thinking it's the only way |
| 17:27.00 | justin | !wayttd Guest85853 |
| 17:27.00 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Guest85853? |
| 17:27.05 | krion | Guest85853: use inetd |
| 17:27.16 | Guest85853 | im running a glftpd |
| 17:27.20 | Guest85853 | with ./glftpd |
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| 17:28.31 | justin | Guest85853: i suggest you read the documentation that comes with glftpd |
| 17:28.36 | Guest85853 | :D |
| 17:28.56 | daemonkeeper | Not that I would know that glftpd thing but what's wrong with the 19838217321873 ftp daemons being already in Debian? |
| 17:28.58 | Guest85853 | your reply at all questions are everytimes "Read Documentations?" |
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| 17:29.43 | krion | Guest85853: glftpd stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /glftpd/bin/glftpd -l -o -i |
| 17:29.49 | krion | Guest85853: http://www.glftpd.dk/files/docs/glftpd.docs |
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| 17:30.06 | justin | replies to questions from people doing something they souldn't be doing and who clearly haven't even tried finding a quickstart guide, yes |
| 17:30.39 | krion | WHY THE HECK YOU USE GLFTPD ? |
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| 17:30.52 | sc30317 | is there an easy way to install debian without a CD / flash drive? |
| 17:31.03 | sc30317 | I think I can do PXE boot in a VM? |
| 17:31.17 | justin | sc30317: yes, debian supports pxe installs |
| 17:31.21 | krion | sc30317: yes you can, but you need a fonctionnal dhcp/tftp system |
| 17:31.23 | daemonkeeper | You can, but setting up PXE is non trivial |
| 17:31.29 | justin | don't know what that has to do with a VM though |
| 17:31.37 | lasers | I'm trying to use preseed for first time. Is it norm for debian installer to use initramfs generator? http://pastebin.com/zwLrbvaY |
| 17:31.50 | sc30317 | so its just going to be easier for me to go get a flash drive |
| 17:31.51 | sc30317 | :\ |
| 17:31.52 | lasers | I'm inclined to think so. |
| 17:32.11 | justin | lasers: you can leave those out |
| 17:32.29 | lasers | justin: kernel image too? |
| 17:32.38 | daemonkeeper | If you'Re installing in a virtual machine, why do you need a physical media at all? Just use an ISO image? |
| 17:32.40 | lasers | I need kernel? ._. |
| 17:32.49 | sc30317 | daemonkeeper, I was going to use a VM on my other system |
| 17:32.58 | sc30317 | daemonkeeper, system 1) windows xp with debian VM |
| 17:33.05 | sc30317 | system 2) server that needs OS install |
| 17:33.09 | krion | if you use xen juste use debootstrap with xen-create-image |
| 17:33.18 | sc30317 | krion, ? |
| 17:33.36 | justin | lasers: it will pick one by default |
| 17:33.51 | lasers | justin: Icic. Ty. |
| 17:33.58 | krion | sc30317: you got a fonctionnal xen dom0 debian system ? |
| 17:34.08 | sc30317 | I have a functional debian system |
| 17:34.12 | sc30317 | not with xen |
| 17:34.15 | krion | sc30317: if yes, then you can use xen-create-image in order to get a running xen domU |
| 17:34.20 | sc30317 | okay |
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| 17:34.37 | krion | ok, then you can transform it as a xen system, and then use xen-create-image |
| 17:34.44 | sc30317 | krion, i'm sort of intrigued to do this |
| 17:34.46 | sc30317 | :D |
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| 17:35.16 | krion | hum |
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| 17:35.42 | krion | sc30317: apt-get install xen-hypervisor-4.0-amd64 linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 xen-utils-4.0 xen-utils-common |
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| 17:36.12 | justin | krion: xen-linux-system-2.6-xen-amd64 |
| 17:36.50 | sc30317 | krion, okay - after I have that stuff installed |
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| 17:37.08 | daweefolk | hi, I was trying to use a program that requires the framebuffer /dev/fb but it doesn't exist. is there a command i can run to create that device? |
| 17:37.18 | sc30317 | krion, what do I do? just run xen-create-image? |
| 17:37.31 | krion | sc30317: depends |
| 17:37.39 | sc30317 | on? |
| 17:37.48 | krion | sc30317: in my personal case, i use lvm in order to stock system image |
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| 17:38.13 | krion | so you need a running lvm |
| 17:38.20 | krion | if not you still can us |
| 17:38.24 | krion | e file |
| 17:38.48 | justin | wrote the lvm support for xen-create-image.. that was ages ago |
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| 17:39.17 | krion | justin: really ? then takes a lot, your work was very usefull to me |
| 17:39.26 | sc30317 | ok |
| 17:39.28 | justin | heh, it was like 10 lines of code :) |
| 17:39.29 | krion | shakes justin's hands |
| 17:39.31 | sc30317 | all of that stuff got finished installing |
| 17:39.36 | sc30317 | so now what do I have to do? |
| 17:39.43 | krion | man xen-create-image |
| 17:39.57 | krion | ^man^google |
| 17:40.05 | cwong | this is a really simple question, but i have a wpa_supplicant.conf file, with the correct syntax, but when i run wpa_supplicant from command line. it wont associate. i have: ssid, key_mgmt=WPA-PSK, proto=WPA, pairwise=TKIP, group=TKIP, psk. what else do i need? |
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| 17:41.21 | justin | cwong: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#WPA-PSK_and_WPA2-PSK |
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| 17:43.06 | sc30317 | krion, I definitely dont have a xen-create-image in /bin |
| 17:43.14 | daweefolk | how do i enable framebuffer in my kernel? |
| 17:43.17 | krion | packages.debian.org |
| 17:43.42 | krion | search for xen-create-image |
| 17:43.49 | cwong | justin: thanks. |
| 17:43.51 | krion | then install the corresponding packages |
| 17:43.59 | sc30317 | You have searched for packages that names contain xen-create-image in suite(s) stable, all sections, and all architectures. |
| 17:43.59 | sc30317 | Sorry, your search gave no results |
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| 17:44.46 | justin | xen-create-image should be in xen-tools |
| 17:44.51 | mms_ | hey my key board does not raise with help of two support that are on back. the two support legs are stuck will not open. is there some locking ? |
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| 17:45.07 | shahri | why is the zope3 package available in lenny and in sid, but not in squeeze? what is the logic here? |
| 17:45.15 | justin | mms_: ask the company that made your keyboard? |
| 17:45.34 | project2501b | hey guys. i have been steering at this prompt for 10 minutes now: "waiting for /dev to be fully populated?" what gives? |
| 17:45.35 | icarious | i need a piece of advice.. which filesystem is best for Desktop purposes? for just the / partition... separate partition is there for my data with XFS.... |
| 17:45.48 | project2501b | icarious, btrfs |
| 17:46.02 | icarious | project2501b: by performance too? |
| 17:46.04 | project2501b | icarious, gpfs if you can afford it |
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| 17:46.49 | icarious | project2501b: gpfs is proprietary.. |
| 17:46.54 | project2501b | so? |
| 17:47.03 | project2501b | icarious, what are you going to be using your desktop for? |
| 17:47.27 | icarious | project2501b: virtualization , watch movies.bit of gaming.... |
| 17:47.42 | project2501b | then why do you care about the filesystem? |
| 17:47.42 | icarious | i just need a good file system for the system partition |
| 17:47.47 | project2501b | what is good? |
| 17:47.54 | project2501b | how do you define good? |
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| 17:48.16 | icarious | project2501b: a filesystem which manages both bigger and small sizes pretty well |
| 17:48.25 | icarious | i use XFS for my data.and its pretty good |
| 17:48.32 | icarious | but for smaller file sizes it lags a bit |
| 17:48.43 | icarious | specially for index searches like locate and all |
| 17:48.45 | project2501b | icarious, do you own > 100TB of data? |
| 17:48.49 | icarious | no |
| 17:49.04 | icarious | i own..urm lets see.arnd 350 GB of data |
| 17:49.07 | project2501b | is your system partition going to be used to run HPC applications? |
| 17:49.19 | icarious | project2501b: typical desktop system with Debian |
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| 17:49.44 | project2501b | do you need a parallel, fully redundant filesystem, with archival and versioning propreties? |
| 17:49.49 | project2501b | no? |
| 17:49.55 | project2501b | then use the default these days. |
| 17:49.58 | project2501b | its good enough. |
| 17:50.10 | icarious | guess i will stick to XFS :S |
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| 17:51.52 | Jef91 | how can I tell apt no NEVER upgrade package X |
| 17:51.53 | Jef91 | ? |
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| 17:51.57 | sc30317 | icarious, I would say ext4 or brtfs if you care about system snapshots |
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| 17:52.25 | project2501b | hey guys. i have been steering at this prompt for 10 minutes now: "waiting for /dev to be fully populated?" isn't u dev supposed to time out, anyway? |
| 17:52.27 | icarious | sc30317: i dnt need snapshots or rollbacks.. i just need performance |
| 17:52.35 | project2501b | beas |
| 17:52.43 | sc30317 | i'd probably say ext4 then icarious |
| 17:52.47 | jhutchins | !tell Jef91 about pinning |
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| 17:52.54 | icarious | sc30317: ok |
| 17:52.56 | xingu | icarious: does performance mean bandwidth, latency, or cpu impact to you? |
| 17:53.05 | project2501b | because playing movies is just horrible on the io |
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| 17:53.33 | icarious | xingu: performance means Disk I/O speed for me |
| 17:53.49 | icarious | for desktop applications |
| 17:53.57 | xingu | speed as in delay, or speed as in throughput. |
| 17:54.04 | icarious | system is a hexcore amd phenom and 4gig of ram |
| 17:54.14 | project2501b | ... |
| 17:54.23 | justin | playing movies is not horrible on IO |
| 17:54.24 | icarious | speed as in throughput |
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| 17:55.23 | icarious | ok .i will make it simple for you guys. i need a file system which will go easy on untarring , apt-get, basic file copy operations etc |
| 17:55.44 | project2501b | icarious, ext2 |
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| 17:56.03 | icarious | project2501b: thanks. but i dont wanna miss the journaling |
| 17:56.09 | xingu | icarious: with the exception of vfat (and obviously network filesystems), all filesystems will be constrained by firstly your spindle's bit density, secondly its rotational speed, and thirdly the bandwidth between drive microelectrics and storage controller. |
| 17:56.11 | project2501b | aha! requirements! |
| 17:56.43 | sc30317 | yea |
| 17:56.51 | sc30317 | if you want really good throughput, get a SSD :D |
| 17:57.01 | project2501b | or 20 |
| 17:57.08 | project2501b | looks over at the ssd rack |
| 17:57.20 | icarious | everyone project2501b is planning to port the / to FAT32 :P |
| 17:57.28 | project2501b | sure. why not? |
| 17:57.30 | project2501b | it works |
| 17:57.40 | icarious | :S christ.who would want that |
| 17:57.43 | project2501b | especially in embedded devices |
| 17:57.56 | project2501b | where the os and the fs is not bigger than a gibabyte |
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| 17:58.53 | sc30317 | uggh |
| 17:58.57 | icarious | so ext4 and XFS seems the best bet these days |
| 17:59.05 | sc30317 | one of my friends installed linux on fat32 once |
| 17:59.07 | project2501b | and btrfs |
| 17:59.13 | sc30317 | and he wondered why things didn't compile properly |
| 17:59.14 | project2501b | and gpfs and kfs |
| 18:00.10 | project2501b | oh, pvfs2 and orangefs, was well |
| 18:00.19 | icarious | project2501b: NTFS? |
| 18:00.26 | icarious | :P |
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| 18:04.43 | bmomjian | Is it possible to extract some files from a tar file, and create a new tar file from it? The only way I know is to extract the files to a tmp directory and create a new tar file from that. Is there a simpler way? |
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| 18:06.30 | justin | bmomjian: tar supports --delete for removing files, which is sort of the same thing |
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| 18:07.54 | thewanderer1 | guys, I'm seeing extremely poor performance with Wine when trying to run games. a 2001-or-so game runs at *below* 1 FPS... |
| 18:08.10 | thewanderer1 | i915, mesa DRI |
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| 18:10.22 | bmomjian | justin: it is a very large tar file so I am only pulling out a few of the files |
| 18:10.29 | bmomjian | so --delete doesn't work well |
| 18:10.47 | justin | i'm sure there is an easy way to do it, since it's the same thing as --delete just the inverse of it |
| 18:11.59 | thewanderer1 | so... the Wine performance problem, is that a known one? |
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| 18:13.44 | justin | thewanderer1: no |
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| 18:13.52 | jmd | I have some 3rd party junk in /etc/init.d and I always get warnings about "missing LSB tags and overrides". How do I fix them? |
| 18:14.16 | thewanderer1 | jmd, see the skeleton file and write proper header |
| 18:15.01 | jmd | Where is "the skeleton file" ? |
| 18:15.14 | jmd | in /closet ? |
| 18:15.15 | thewanderer1 | /etc/init.d/skeleton |
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| 18:28.51 | project2501b | hey guys. i have been steering at this prompt for 10 minutes now: "waiting for /dev to be fully populated?" isn't u dev supposed to time out, anyway? can i get a clue, please? |
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| 18:30.34 | justin | project2501b: that is not supposed to take 10 minutes |
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| 18:31.36 | jmd | My WIFI network is very slow, and I see in syslog: "WPA: Could not verify EAPOL-Key MIC - dropping packet". What's going on? |
| 18:32.08 | justin | jmd: try switching to wpa2/aes? |
| 18:33.13 | jmd | Hmm. Is that something that can be easily done, or does every device have to support it? |
| 18:33.33 | justin | jmd: every device has to support it, though they probably do |
| 18:34.37 | jmd | I don't see that option in my modem |
| 18:35.04 | jmd | Does it also have another name? |
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| 18:38.10 | justin | no |
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| 18:39.26 | firztspawn | jmd what kind of router do you have? |
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| 18:43.23 | jmd | firztspawn, NETGEAR |
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| 18:43.51 | firztspawn | netgear make a lot of routers ... |
| 18:43.54 | firztspawn | model? |
| 18:43.59 | jmd | R DG834NBv2 |
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| 18:49.26 | firztspawn | jmd http://support.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/6740 |
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| 18:59.49 | jmd | firztspawn, That page doesn't mention AES anywhere. Or WPA2 |
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| 19:00.06 | fly_80 | hello |
| 19:02.17 | firztspawn | face palm |
| 19:02.21 | firztspawn | jmd is there not an option there when you select wpa; to also select wpa2? |
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| 19:02.43 | jmd | WPA2, yes. I have done that. |
| 19:02.54 | jmd | But AES is not mentioned. |
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| 19:05.08 | corny_ | Hi, after upgrading from lenny to squeeze my unlocking LUKS using ssh keys via dropbear broke. Something is really strange here: dropbear seems to ignore the authorized_keys (in root/.ssh and /etc/dropbear) and will even not use the password |
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| 19:06.28 | firztspawn | jmd both wpa and wpa2 use AES. All you were asked to do by justin was to try switching to wpa2 |
| 19:06.34 | firztspawn | afk |
| 19:07.02 | jmd | I can't switch to wpa2, because I'm already using wpa2 |
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| 19:07.32 | jmd | (at least that's what the menu option says) |
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| 19:10.22 | justin | jmd: wpa2 is aes |
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| 19:14.53 | jmd | justin: So why these problems then? |
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| 19:16.40 | justin | shitty hardware usually |
| 19:22.09 | cyfirus | u_u°° |
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| 19:27.25 | jmd | What's the appropriate line in wpa_supplicant.conf to disable EAPOL/TPTK ? |
| 19:27.41 | jmd | (yes, I have read the man page) |
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| 19:45.19 | thewanderer1 | guys, any clue why make-kpkg never includes $source/arch/$ARCH/include/asm/ in the headers package? several build scripts break on its absence |
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| 19:46.57 | justin | thewanderer1: don't the debian linux-includes packages include those files? |
| 19:48.07 | thewanderer1 | justin, it does, but the build script looks explicitly in /usr/src/linux-$KVERS/ ... |
| 19:48.34 | thewanderer1 | also, Debian stock packages do include that directory in kernel headers, which leads me to believe it's something specific to make-kpkg |
| 19:49.17 | justin | pretty sure the debian packages are made via make-kpkg |
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| 19:51.01 | rgammans | Have you checked make-kpkg --help, iirc it sometimes needs a bit it help to do what you expect |
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| 19:56.57 | haole | hello there... i've just installed debian 6 in my system, but it seems to be probing the wrong video drivers for xorg... i've got this card (00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Sandy Bridge Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)) and i've the xserver-xorg-video-intel package installed... what could be done now? |
| 19:57.25 | haole | i'm getting the vesa driver, btw |
| 19:57.44 | thewanderer1 | rgammans, nothing looks relevant in the help file... |
| 19:57.51 | rozie | haole: can you show lspci -n for the card? |
| 19:58.21 | thewanderer1 | haole, install xserver-xorg from backports |
| 19:58.24 | rozie | sandy bridge is pretty new. there's a chance newer xorg/kernel will help |
| 19:58.26 | haole | rozie, sure... wait a moment |
| 19:58.36 | thewanderer1 | ah, kernel 2.6.39 from bpo too. |
| 19:58.48 | haole | thewanderer1, ok, gonna do that... thanks |
| 19:59.52 | thewanderer1 | ok, well, the Linux tarball includes arch/x86/include/asm/ but it's not packaged |
| 20:00.11 | rgammans | Thewanderer1, sorry can't help then, I remember make-up being medium tricky, but that's about it |
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| 20:01.45 | haole | i forgot how i like aptitude :) great tool |
| 20:03.09 | thewanderer1 | bah, apt-get is just as fine most of the time... and aptitude only finds partial solutions to all my problems :P |
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| 20:04.12 | haole | i use fedora too so i'm used to yum... maybe thats why :) |
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| 20:05.23 | thewanderer1 | does VBox in Debian support OpenGL? |
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| 20:05.53 | thewanderer1 | (I'd check but am a bit afraid of the crap that this might leave) |
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| 20:07.03 | nkuttler | thewanderer1: there's some enable 3d option in the video settings.. never tried it though |
| 20:07.43 | thewanderer1 | yeah, there is, but it used to require installing some hack on the host |
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| 20:08.43 | nkuttler | thewanderer1: do you mean the guest tools? i install them everywhere |
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| 20:09.27 | thewanderer1 | no, host GL crap |
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| 20:10.29 | nkuttler | running windows clients? yeah.. not sure if you have to install gl separately for them. anyway, just snapshot the box and revert if necessary |
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| 20:12.57 | thewanderer1 | which version was it that actually introduced OpenGL support? |
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| 20:13.12 | thewanderer1 | wondering if I have to get Wheezy or Squeeze is fine |
| 20:15.17 | acu | which desktop environments is lightest - I have a pentium 4 with 500 MB Ram |
| 20:15.40 | boudiccas | gnome |
| 20:15.47 | nkuttler | acu: i use openbox which is pretty lightweight |
| 20:16.02 | thewanderer1 | acu, LXDE if you want a full Desktop Environment, Fluxbox/Openbox otherwise |
| 20:16.02 | nkuttler | acu: if you want a full blown de.. try lxde |
| 20:17.12 | thewanderer1 | there's also this exotic FVWM-Crystal... support minorities! :) |
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| 20:18.50 | acu | I wanted to mention for Wheezy - GNOME3 is not even working on this computer - is an intel VGA |
| 20:19.23 | nkuttler | acu: wheezy is testing and complex stuff like gnome is broken all the time. |
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| 20:23.48 | thewanderer1 | acu, I've had greater success with Wheezy+Sid - the version in Wheezy is full of show-stopper bugs |
| 20:29.50 | acu | thewanderer1: so how can you use both Wheezy& Sid |
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| 20:31.14 | thewanderer1 | acu, most packages are from Wheezy, the others at versions from Sid when they provide less bugs :P |
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| 20:33.05 | acu | wheezy's GNOME3 does not work with ATI vga cards |
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| 20:33.52 | thewanderer1 | no idea about that, Intel here |
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| 20:34.20 | thewanderer1 | (seeing KDE4 crash at every attempt to enable compositing, oh well!) |
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| 20:34.55 | streuner_ | acu, /msg dpkg ati |
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| 20:39.24 | LoRez | is there a way to get ucf to ignore a managed configuration file? |
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| 20:41.05 | moogleno1ph | Is there a program that takes as input a directory of pdf files, and, for each pdf file, attempts to extract metadata and a bibtex reference? By matching against citeseer or something? |
| 20:41.21 | moogleno1ph | With output to a flat text file or csv or xml or something |
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| 20:44.04 | acu | ! dpkg ati |
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| 20:45.32 | dondelelcaro | moogleno1ph: not to my knowledge |
| 20:46.04 | ChibaPet | Is there a general consensus on which iSCSI target implementation is the most reliable under Debian Squeeze? |
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| 20:47.22 | doberman | Finally I solved the network problem using NAT instead of bridge. Now the Guest has internet connection. Can you help me on NAT routing, so the PUBLIC_IP always forwards to GUEST_LOCAL_IP ? |
| 20:47.25 | moogleno1ph | dondelelcaro: too bad. I know that sort of thing is possible(see, eg, mendely or zotero), but there doesn't seem to be a program with a nice interface (cli invocation, output to text or structured text) that does it. |
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| 20:54.02 | hikenboot1 | can someone tell me how to get the very latest with all downloads from git ...I am beginning to think git clone doesnt do this ..can anyone confirm either way |
| 20:54.32 | dondelelcaro | moogleno1ph: it is possible, but almost everything like zotero or similar actually pulls the reference from the web page that it is viewing |
| 20:54.48 | dondelelcaro | uses his own system, which does that for pmids |
| 20:55.07 | valdyn | hikenboot1: as the manpage sais: git clone gets the whole repo |
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| 20:55.48 | valdyn | hikenboot1: read the manpage. see git-checkout |
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| 20:56.22 | moogleno1ph | hmmm, I know zotero can take a pdf and query google scholar with it somehow. it got very accurate metadata for a whole directory of them, but the UI is so clunky |
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| 20:56.26 | hikenboot1 | thanks valydn |
| 20:56.39 | dondelelcaro | moogleno1ph: probably by querying using filename or something similar |
| 20:56.53 | dondelelcaro | or using pdf2txt to rip it out; it is possible |
| 20:56.58 | dondelelcaro | but nothing OTS |
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| 21:14.39 | justjealouse | does anyone have experience with installing wine 1.3 on squeeze |
| 21:15.40 | thewanderer1 | let me guess, you're hitting performance problems too? |
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| 21:17.53 | jcrow | hi #debian room, i've got some commands in a .xinitrc file but they aren't being run at login as i would have expected |
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| 21:18.17 | ChibaPet | jcrow: I use .xsession here. I don't remember which is invoked when. |
| 21:18.34 | ChibaPet | Is it possible that .xinitrc is for startx, and you want .xsession for login manager invocation? |
| 21:18.37 | somiaj | jcrow: by default the display managers in debian look in .xsession |
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| 21:19.00 | jcrow | in fact, i also tried putting the commands in ~/.xsession, but equivalently it seemed that the commands weren't being run |
| 21:19.16 | somiaj | ChibaPet: display managers use /etc/X11/Xsession script which look for .xsession |
| 21:19.18 | jcrow | i'm using xfce4 as a desktop env |
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| 21:19.21 | somiaj | jcrow: what display manager are you using? |
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| 21:19.29 | ChibaPet | somiaj: Thank you for the clarification! |
| 21:19.55 | jcrow | in fact, i never had to run these commands when i used gnome |
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| 21:20.16 | jcrow | i was able to set up things in the gui, and they seemed to be saved for each session. |
| 21:20.37 | thewanderer1 | actually, isn't it .Xsession, not .xsession? |
| 21:20.38 | ChibaPet | jcrow: I'm a big fan of not relying on session managers for that. |
| 21:20.50 | ChibaPet | thewanderer1: All lower-case as I'm doing it here. |
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| 21:20.56 | thewanderer1 | hmm, ok... |
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| 21:20.59 | jcrow | overall i've been happy about xfce, but each time i login i hve to run 'setxkbmap -option "caps:escape' 'xset b off' 'synclient TapButton1=1' |
| 21:21.15 | jcrow | aha, if it's supposed to be .Xsession, then that would explain things! |
| 21:21.38 | thewanderer1 | not sure about that |
| 21:21.38 | somiaj | jcrow: that isn't it. What display manager are you suing? Are you choosing the 'xfce' or the 'default' session? |
| 21:21.45 | ChibaPet | It's .xsession. Look in the file somiaj noted. |
| 21:21.53 | jcrow | xfce session. |
| 21:22.07 | jcrow | i still have gnome installed, and was using gdm, but i just switched to slim |
| 21:22.10 | ChibaPet | (For what it's worth, I use xdm here and have .xsession launch things in order.) |
| 21:22.10 | somiaj | the xfce session will read it's own session file, go confgiure the session corectly for what ever display manager you are using. |
| 21:22.17 | jcrow | and i choose 'startxfce4' |
| 21:22.38 | justjealouse | does anyone have experience with installing wine 1.3 on squeeze |
| 21:22.43 | somiaj | if you choose the 'default' session it will read your ~/.xsession file |
| 21:22.49 | justjealouse | when i try to install i get several errors with no explanation |
| 21:23.06 | ChibaPet | justjealouse: Yes, I use a relatively recent Wine on Squeeze. |
| 21:23.10 | somiaj | justjealouse: it should compile from the upstream source just fine. with dh_make you could make a custom package, but just using 'make && make install' and putting it in /usr/local is just fine |
| 21:23.26 | ChibaPet | justjealouse: don't forget to turn on sound playback... mpg123 support, is it? |
| 21:23.28 | jcrow | aha, so choosing something other than 'default' means it's looking for a particular '.XYsessionrc' file where XY is the name of your manager, or somthing like that? |
| 21:23.43 | ChibaPet | jcrow: It looks for a sessionname.desktop file. |
| 21:23.56 | somiaj | jcrow: It depends on the display manager. |
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| 21:24.17 | jcrow | great, so using xfce, i should make a 'xfce4.desktop' file? |
| 21:24.31 | ChibaPet | jcrow: It ought to exist for you already. |
| 21:24.37 | justin | jcrow: xfce has a simple GUI panel for adding startup commands, why not use that? |
| 21:24.41 | somiaj | jcrow: one is already there, though I would suggest just using the 'default' session and setting up your .xsession file correclty. |
| 21:24.44 | justjealouse | I have problems installing these .debs http://pastebin.com/rDaKZvES |
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| 21:24.53 | somiaj | or use xfce startup programs |
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| 21:25.20 | justjealouse | i have an older wine 1.28 already installed but when idk how to uninstall it so im hoping i can just install 1.35 over it |
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| 21:25.38 | justjealouse | 1.3.35* |
| 21:25.42 | jcrow | alright, so i either need to put my commands in xfce4.desktop (i'm going to look for that now), or i need to make xfce4 be my 'default' so that i can just use .xsession. |
| 21:25.53 | somiaj | justjealouse: how did you install the other wine in the first place? |
| 21:26.00 | ChibaPet | justjealouse: Take a look at GNU Stow. I use it to manage Wine and other things. Really very useful. |
| 21:26.01 | justin | jcrow: no, neither of those things you just said was correct |
| 21:26.02 | justjealouse | manually from the debs given |
| 21:26.16 | somiaj | justjealouse: from what debs? Make sure you uinstall that version first |
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| 21:26.52 | jcrow | justin, feel free to clarify. |
| 21:27.14 | justin | jcrow: you should just use the xfce session editor |
| 21:28.14 | jcrow | justin feel free to be more specific. in general, i'm much happier learning where to put files so that they're loaded automatically. are you suggesting some part of the gui? |
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| 21:28.19 | justjealouse | when i type dpkg -r wine, it claims there are no wine packages installed |
| 21:28.51 | justin | jcrow: yes, xfce comes with a session editor thingy, it's in the control panel |
| 21:28.58 | justjealouse | uhhh sorry one sec, i have wine 1.3.35 installed currently lol |
| 21:29.31 | somiaj | justjealouse: well since the version 1.28 (which doesn't even seem like a version of wine) was not installed via debian repos, you will have to uninstall it using the methods to reverse what you did when you isntall it |
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| 21:30.59 | somiaj | if you installed it via the 'make install' command, use the same source directory you compiled the privious version of wine in and do a 'make uninstall' |
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| 21:33.12 | justjealouse | does anyone have experience installing league of legends on debian |
| 21:33.38 | jcrow | okay, i found the gui 'sessions and startup' menu that justin suggests. i ran 'find . -name "*desktop"' in ~ and turned up a bunch of files that end in desktop. perhaps the one i want for xfce is this one called .config/xfce4/desktop? |
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| 21:34.35 | jcrow | oh, actually .config/xfce4/desktop/ is a directory |
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| 21:35.53 | jcrow | okay, it only has one file in it anyway, icons.screen0.rc |
| 21:35.55 | bmomjian | Is it possible to easily pull files out of a tar file and make a new tar file? What I do now is to extract the files into a directory and then make a new tar file. Is there an easier way? (Sorry for the re-ask.) |
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| 21:36.24 | username | a problem: |
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| 21:36.38 | username | The following packages have unmet dependencies: alien-arena : Depends: alien-arena-data but it is not installable E: Broken packages |
| 21:37.08 | username | I'm trying to apt-get install alien-arena |
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| 21:37.31 | jcrow | okay, does anyone know the best way to make 'default' point to an xfce4 session using either gdm or slim? |
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| 21:38.03 | dax | username: alien-arena is in contrib, alien-arena-data is in non-free. Generally, having one of those repositories enabled and not the other can cause dependency problems like that. |
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| 21:38.15 | username | dax: ah! |
| 21:38.23 | username | I removed non-free from sources.list |
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| 21:38.49 | username | dax: is there any possibility to sue me for using non-free stuff? |
| 21:38.57 | dax | No idea, I am not a lawyer. |
| 21:39.08 | username | doesn't like to be put in jail |
| 21:39.17 | nodiscc | jcrow: hi, you mean the defaul x session ? |
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| 21:40.17 | jcrow | nodiscc, that's right. i just installed slim, but when i chose 'default' session at login, it just failed and brought me back to the login. when i chose xfce4 i was able to login. so it seems my 'default' session isn't pointing anywhere sane. |
| 21:40.48 | somiaj | jcrow: do you have a command to start xfce4 in your .xsession file? |
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| 21:41.22 | jcrow | no, my .xsession file was just the keyboard and mouse config stuff |
| 21:41.26 | nodiscc | jcrow: i had the same problem a while ago, i don't know how you can choose the default session for X, but if you edit /etc/slim.conf you have a line that lets you specify the availbale sessions. The first session on this line gets the default |
| 21:41.35 | jaakkos | username :D non-free packages just don't satisfy debian free software guidelines |
| 21:41.39 | somiaj | jcrow: well how do you expect it to start your desktop if you never tell it to. |
| 21:41.42 | jmd | nn |
| 21:41.48 | username | dax: how to enable just this one non-free stuff, w/o editing sources.list and apt-get updating? |
| 21:41.48 | jaakkos | username: which doesn't mean you're downloading warez. |
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| 21:42.03 | jcrow | somiaj, you ask a question without an answer. i suppose i can only say that i didn't know that i wasn't asking it to. |
| 21:42.13 | nodiscc | jcrow: the line beginning with "sessions" |
| 21:42.25 | nodiscc | just put startxfce4 on the first position here |
| 21:42.26 | username | jaakkos: guidelines sounds like laws, really |
| 21:42.38 | jcrow | so .xsession should have startxfce4 on it's first line according to somiaj's method, but nodiscc suggests looking in slim.conf |
| 21:42.46 | somiaj | username: why do you want to avoid adding the non-free repo to your sources? You need to do that so apt can seee the packages. |
| 21:42.59 | somiaj | jcrow: no it needs it as the last line |
| 21:43.10 | jaakkos | username: source code not available --> non-free |
| 21:43.16 | babilen | dax: There is no possibility that you will be sued for software from the non-free suite and you need to edit your sources.list to enable it. (it is non-free according to Debian's DFSG (/msg dpkg dfsg)) |
| 21:43.24 | username | somiaj: I don't want non-free stuff, I just want to look at alien game, I'll remove it in 15 minutes after trying out, I promise |
| 21:43.37 | dax | babilen: i think you meant username |
| 21:43.40 | jcrow | ohh. somiaj, but the other things in there are 'setxkbmap' etc, shouldn't that stuff be run after xfce4 starts? |
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| 21:44.23 | babilen | dax: Ah, yes - Sorry :) |
| 21:44.25 | somiaj | username: well remove the non-free option from your sources after you are done. You could use packages.debian.org and just down load the .deb but then y ou won't have apt automically deal with depends for you. |
| 21:44.30 | Seppoz | hello, who starts depmod -a in debian at boot time |
| 21:44.43 | jcrow | okay, well, i'm going to logout and put some of your ideas to the test! thanks for the input everyone. |
| 21:45.11 | somiaj | jcrow: no. swhen you start xfce the script pauses until that process terminats (so the items after it don't run) |
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| 21:45.29 | nodiscc | anyone know how to have gnome-settings-daemon manage the gtk theme and stuff outside of gnome-session? It keeps telling "The name org.gnome.SessionManager was not provided by any .service files" |
| 21:45.31 | username | somiaj: this is what I thought, yes; isn't there some "automatical" command to "temporarily" set apt-get to allow to install non-free stuff? with timer, for example |
| 21:45.34 | nodiscc | I'm running an oopenbox session |
| 21:46.15 | somiaj | username: no. You either have the repo enabled or you don't. If you want it termporaly enabled, just modify the file and update twice. |
| 21:46.23 | babilen | username: That would also mean that you don't get any updates for non-free packages. |
| 21:46.24 | username | somiaj: sad |
| 21:46.39 | username | then I'll be happy without that game |
| 21:47.01 | jaakkos | even if you don't know what non-free means? |
| 21:47.23 | username | I must know? |
| 21:47.40 | username | non-free is non-free, period |
| 21:47.45 | username | thanks for info, guys |
| 21:48.05 | holycow | heh |
| 21:48.08 | holycow | username: great username |
| 21:48.12 | holycow | INCEPTION! |
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| 21:48.27 | babilen | username: If you make decisions according to your understanding it would be a good idea to know what it actually is. Please read http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-non-free and http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 21:49.09 | username | holycow: (define (username s) (display (display s))) |
| 21:49.28 | ompaul | username: non-free is a licence definition of what you can do with the software, it has nothing to do with cost. |
| 21:49.48 | username | knows everything about GPL and loves it |
| 21:50.06 | username | non-free => no sources, no change to study and modify and share changes |
| 21:50.13 | holycow | haha! thats great. i'd responde with a lispy repost but i am just starting to learn it! |
| 21:50.16 | username | s/change/chance/ |
| 21:50.32 | nodiscc | one line in sources.list to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them |
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| 21:50.58 | jaakkos | cool. have fun with gnu java and the flash player alternatives. |
| 21:51.01 | ompaul | username:all or some or not that at all - for instance there was a part of Xorg, mesa which had a We can revoke your licence - but that got fixed |
| 21:51.21 | jaakkos | also i wonder who your graphics vendor is. |
| 21:51.51 | username | jaakkos: gnash and openjdk (icedtea jvm), they are cool; there're no other alternatives for my architecture (it's not x86_16, x86_32, x86_64, etc.) |
| 21:52.09 | username | jaakkos: NVidia Quadro FX 4500 |
| 21:52.27 | nodiscc | i wonder why my dconf settings do not apply. gtk-theme and the like. Ideas? |
| 21:52.46 | somiaj | many wifi cards require non-free firmware, and other modules as well (debian places the non-free blobs from the kernel in non-free which are needed to make various systems work) |
| 21:53.08 | dax | yeah, my ATI card needs it. It's rather obnoxious. |
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| 21:53.53 | username | yeah! great question |
| 21:53.56 | somiaj | dax: really? I find the radeon opensource drivers work just fine for my ATI card in my laptop (have full hdmi and hdmiaudio support as well) |
| 21:54.02 | username | how to switch to linux-libre kernel in debian? |
| 21:54.14 | username | is there such possibility? |
| 21:54.23 | dax | somiaj: Yup. Either xorg or the kernel die horribly without firmware-linux-nonfree. |
| 21:54.29 | username | with apt? |
| 21:54.39 | somiaj | dax: ahh yea I guess I have that package installed...:( |
| 21:54.48 | somiaj | username: the default debian kernels have no non-free blobs in them. |
| 21:55.01 | username | somiaj: nice, great |
| 21:55.14 | somiaj | username: they do have modules that coudl require non-free firmware, so you have to install that seperatlly if you want the hardware to work. |
| 21:55.23 | Flynn | I'm trying to find firmware for my USB modem. Would it be logical to copy the firmware folder from my desktop (running Ubuntu) and pasting it onto the almost empty firmware folder on my netbook? |
| 21:55.31 | Flynn | My USB modem works on the desktop. |
| 21:55.31 | nodiscc | somiaj: is it true? so why do we have distros like trisquel that pretend they removed the non-free blobs? |
| 21:55.50 | username | wonders too |
| 21:56.18 | somiaj | nodiscc: username: http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20101215 |
| 21:56.19 | babilen | nodiscc: Debian removes those blobs as well (hence all the non-free firmware packages) |
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| 21:57.06 | Flynn | Then could I start deleting excess firmware that I didn't need from the desktop folder? It would be risky but I would have a backup |
| 21:57.09 | nodiscc | ah good, so strating from squeeze, the kernels shipped by debian are libre too |
| 21:57.12 | username | somiaj: wow, great news! so... my building of linux-libre are useless... but now I do have free kernel by default, cool |
| 21:57.14 | nodiscc | *starting |
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| 21:58.33 | somiaj | nodiscc: to the best of the devs knowledge. |
| 21:59.00 | username | somiaj: why don't you mark them as "-libre" then? it's just simple edit of toplevel's Makefile, first 4 lines |
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| 22:00.13 | somiaj | username: I don't know, I'm not a dev. Though I think the libre is a seperate project trying to achive the same thing, so these are not techniqually libre kernels |
| 22:00.24 | username | ah |
| 22:00.45 | username | time to ask alex oliva :) |
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| 23:01.53 | PerfDave | Anybody running a Debian desktop in VMWare Workstation? I'm trying to get my KDE/X desktop to resize to the VMWare window automagically. |
| 23:02.36 | PerfDave | I couldn't get it working with Squeeze, so I've tried dist-upgrading to Wheezy for the later Xorg ('cause I know it works in Backtrack 5, which has an Xorg newer than Squeeze but older than Wheezy). |
| 23:02.58 | Justin | PerfDave: are you using the vmware X driver? |
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| 23:04.09 | abrotman | PerfDave: i have a question for you .. when i figure out the guy's name |
| 23:04.47 | PerfDave | Justin: It's using vmwlegacy apparently |
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| 23:05.58 | Flynn | Hello. I have a new Debian install but cannot get any usb devices to work. |
| 23:06.32 | Flynn | I was trying to copy my firmware folder over from a working Ubuntu installation to my new Debian install (hoping this would work) but I can't even try it without a flash drive. |
| 23:07.04 | Flynn | Any suggestions? |
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| 23:07.18 | PerfDave | Flynn: How might you expect them to work? Does anything show up in "lsusb" when the device is plugged in? |
| 23:07.47 | Flynn | PerfDave: I'm pretty new to Linux. I'm not sure what "lsusb" is. |
| 23:07.50 | abrotman | dpkg: tell sc30317 about root |
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| 23:07.55 | abrotman | Flynn: it has a man page |
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| 23:08.24 | themill | PerfDave: have you installed the vmware guest tools in the guest? |
| 23:08.27 | cthuluh | Flynn: don't copy the firmware directory from one distro to another |
| 23:08.33 | Flynn | PerfDave: Whenever I click on the icon on the desktop it just says mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock ... |
| 23:08.37 | cthuluh | Flynn: the result could be worse than non-working |
| 23:08.39 | sskalnik | best location for a noob to debian packaging to get help? |
| 23:08.59 | cthuluh | #debian-mentors? (on oftc) |
| 23:09.13 | PerfDave | Flynn: lsusb is a command-line program which lists USB devices |
| 23:09.14 | cthuluh | Flynn: so, open a terminal |
| 23:09.15 | abrotman | sskalnik: did you read the n-m guide yet? |
| 23:09.16 | PerfDave | themill: No, not in either |
| 23:09.25 | nsadmin | sskalnik, also the packaging manual |
| 23:09.45 | themill | PerfDave: perhaps bt installs them automatically for you? |
| 23:09.57 | PerfDave | themill: Hmm, that might be the case... |
| 23:09.59 | Flynn | lsusb shows my flash drive |
| 23:10.18 | sskalnik | abrotman: the New Maintainers Guide? |
| 23:10.23 | sskalnik | abrotman: In it now |
| 23:10.26 | abrotman | sskalnik: that's a good start |
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| 23:11.06 | sskalnik | abrotman: Is there something like #debian-packaging-noobs? #debian-mentors, mentioned in the n-m guide, seems dead. |
| 23:11.19 | babilen | sskalnik: It is on irc.oftc.net |
| 23:11.27 | sskalnik | Ah okay. Thanks! |
| 23:11.36 | PerfDave | themill: Oops, yeah, looks like my BT install has the VMWare guest tools preinstalled |
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| 23:12.53 | themill | PerfDave: :) have fun! |
| 23:13.42 | Flynn | PerfDave: What do you think I should do? I'm stuck between having a usb modem that won't work and not being able to figure out how to use any flash drives |
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| 23:15.11 | PerfDave | Flynn: I'd not try copying firmware, but you should be able to mount your flash drive trivially. |
| 23:15.39 | PerfDave | Flynn: What version of Debian are you using? Do you know what filesystem the flash drive has? |
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| 23:17.27 | Flynn | PerfDave: 6.0.3 with FAT32 and NTFS |
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| 23:20.44 | PerfDave | Flynn: What desktop are you using? Gnome, KDE, Xfce? |
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| 23:21.15 | Flynn | PerfDave: Xfce. It is a new install. |
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| 23:22.01 | PerfDave | Flynn: If you type "groups" in a terminal, do you see "plugdev" in there? |
| 23:22.28 | Flynn | PerfDave: Yes. |
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| 23:23.38 | PerfDave | Flynn: OK, so it's not that. I'm guessing it's either an XFCE thing or an NTFS support thing, neither of which I'm particularly familiar wit. |
| 23:24.37 | Flynn | PerfDave: Do you think a problem with my flash drives probably messes with my usb modem? |
| 23:25.03 | PerfDave | Flynn: I have no idea about your USB modem. Try to fix one problem at a time. |
| 23:25.17 | PerfDave | Flynn: I suspect fixing your flash drive problem is an easier problem to fix. |
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| 23:36.32 | Flynn | PerfDave: Is it okay for the flash drive to be mounted to /media/cdrom0 ? |
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| 23:37.02 | Valtam | yes |
| 23:37.24 | PerfDave | Flynn: It doesn't matter where it's mounted really |
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| 23:38.58 | Flynn | Before I try to open it, when my cursor is hovered over the icon for it, it says 135 GB free |
| 23:39.03 | fly80 | hello |
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| 23:39.59 | fly80 | I just upgraded my system to wheezy, I did a full-upgrade, but gdm now fails to start. |
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| 23:40.38 | fly80 | during installation I saw some kernel warnings about firmware, but i think it's not correlated |
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| 23:41.16 | bambanx | guys i have a really big problem i have windows 7 in on partition and debian in other and my grub is broken , now i am on a live cd what can i do ? |
| 23:41.30 | fly80 | what should I check/do to make gdm starting? |
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| 23:42.20 | babilen | !tell bambanx -about fixmbr |
| 23:42.29 | Corey | Is there a Debian packaging channel? |
| 23:42.36 | Corey | I'm not convinced my question is best asked here. |
| 23:42.46 | babilen | bambanx: Make sure that you have os-prober installed (it will take care of adding windows to grub's menu) |
| 23:42.58 | nkuttler | !tell Corey about mentors |
| 23:43.43 | babilen | fly80: I would suggest to hop over to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 23:44.15 | fly80 | okey |
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| 23:44.32 | babilen | bambanx: How is grub broken? |
| 23:44.56 | fly80 | babilen: debian-next is closed (only invited) |
| 23:44.57 | bambanx | when i restart is begin: loading grub... |
| 23:45.00 | bambanx | but no more |
| 23:45.05 | PerfDave | Flynn: It might help if you explained how you got from the point where it wasn't mounting at all, to where you are now. |
| 23:45.07 | babilen | fly80: On irc.oftc.net |
| 23:45.15 | fly80 | ah ok |
| 23:45.21 | bambanx | i am new in debian i dont know how mount my filesystems |
| 23:45.50 | babilen | bambanx: Ok, follow the instructions in the private message dpkg sent you to chroot into the Debian system, install os-prober (if not already installed) and reinstall grub to the MBR |
| 23:46.15 | bambanx | ok |
| 23:46.30 | PerfDave | os-prober sounds rude |
| 23:46.46 | bambanx | mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc) |
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| 23:47.13 | bambanx | first i need to know the names of my partitions? |
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| 23:47.38 | babilen | bambanx: How did you partition your system? |
| 23:47.58 | ismael_ | Hello. Does anybody know how can I change the taskbar font color in KDE4? It's black right now and I can't read anything :( |
| 23:48.02 | bambanx | i dont remember lemme see |
| 23:48.23 | bambanx | with gparted i can see its? |
| 23:48.37 | babilen | bambanx: "fdisk -l /dev/sdX" should tell you that. (where X is in {a,b,c,...} the first hdd is a, the second b, ...) |
| 23:48.52 | bambanx | ok |
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| 23:49.38 | bambanx | ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 23:49.38 | bambanx | Cannot open /dev/sda |
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| 23:51.01 | babilen | bambanx: Run that command as root / with sudo (i.e. "sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda") -- You should have a partition that you used as root (/) for Debian -- You mount that somewhere ("mkdir /mnt/debian ; mount -t ext2 /dev/sda1 /mnt/debian (if sda1 is the partition in question)) |
| 23:51.47 | bambanx | babilen, look pls http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/43/screenshotkud.png/ |
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| 23:53.05 | thewanderer1 | how do I enable Direct3D support in VirtualBox 3.2 (Squeeze)? I've enabled "3D Acceleration", but dxdiag.exe inside the guest tells me Direct3D is disabled :/ |
| 23:53.26 | babilen | bambanx: Ok, it is /dev/sda5 -- run "mkdir /mnt/debian ; mount -t ext2 /dev/sda5 /mnt/debian" -- Next thing to do is " mount --bind /dev /mnt/debian/dev ; mount -t proc none /mnt/debian/proc" -- You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /mnt/debian" |
| 23:54.03 | bambanx | ok |
| 23:54.22 | bambanx | like root? babilen? |
| 23:54.26 | babilen | sure |
| 23:54.30 | bambanx | k |
| 23:54.33 | bambanx | ty men |
| 23:54.47 | cafuego | what an odd assumption |
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| 23:56.43 | bambanx | ready babilen now i need chroot |
| 23:56.55 | tharkun | How do i instruct aptitude to search on package difinitions for bar code ? |
| 23:57.01 | babilen | bambanx: Good work! Yeah, chroot into the system please. |
| 23:57.11 | babilen | tharkun: aptitude search ~dFOO |
| 23:57.18 | babilen | !tell tharkun -about aptitude search |
| 23:57.38 | bambanx | babilen, ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo chroot /mnt/debian |
| 23:57.39 | bambanx | root@ubuntu:/# |
| 23:57.45 | tharkun | !tell babilen beer |
| 23:57.48 | tharkun | :) |
| 23:58.42 | bambanx | now babilen? |
| 23:58.57 | babilen | bambanx: Looks fine -- You are now in the Debian system. Could you run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/sda" ? |
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| 23:59.42 | bambanx | yeah |
| 23:59.46 | bambanx | i think is ready |
| 23:59.55 | bambanx | i try restarting babilen? |
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