| 00:00.33 | crosswalk | yagoo: Just kind of seemed strange that there would be three of the same daemon running. |
| 00:00.44 | gasull | I can find packages with aptitude search, but how can I see what repo they come from? |
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| 00:01.29 | iridos | gasull, not if you look at the PPIDs |
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| 00:02.21 | iridos | like, e.g. with ps -ef |
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| 00:03.06 | gasull | iridos: what about a package I haven't installed yet? |
| 00:03.40 | iridos | errr |
| 00:03.46 | ompaul | gasull: apt-cache policy foo |
| 00:03.52 | iridos | that was meant for crosswalk, not you |
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| 00:04.24 | iridos | my eye kinda slipped to the wrong nick when answering |
| 00:05.03 | iridos | gasull, apt-cache madison <package> shows what version packages have in different repos |
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| 00:05.27 | sylar | Amarande: I want to use release, but I get that errors on update source lists, |
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| 00:05.48 | gasull | iridos, ompaul: thank you |
| 00:05.59 | iridos | gasull, apt-show-versions tries to answer the question where it actually comes from ... and can fail because the information about that isn't in the package and can only be glimpsed at by comparing versions |
| 00:07.20 | project2501b | is there a book on grub/grub2, please? |
| 00:07.32 | gasull | iridos: thanks |
| 00:09.16 | sylar | I am trying to install iceweasel 9, and lots of dependency errors |
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| 00:24.55 | Bassist | Hey, I have a strange problem after upgrading Debian: The quick keyboard search in synaptic or in my file manager isn't working. So when I simply start typing a name, nothing happens |
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| 00:25.16 | Bassist | Before, a small text box popped up, and I jumped straight to the name I was typing |
| 00:25.29 | Bassist | Any idea why? |
| 00:25.43 | Bassist | Using Debian Testing and LXDE |
| 00:25.47 | Bassist | Kernel 3.1 |
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| 00:26.43 | Amarande | you're using testing: things may break without warning |
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| 00:27.47 | Bassist | Amarande: I know, and that is why I try to fix them :) |
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| 00:28.05 | Bassist | What kind of package provides this functionality, if any? |
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| 00:40.31 | yagoo | iridos, hey that apt-show-versions command i never looked at that command.. interesting how does that compare to apt-cache policy <packagename> ? |
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| 00:41.06 | gmarselis_ | it was the night before xmas |
| 00:41.15 | gmarselis_ | and not a thread was to be spawned |
| 00:41.25 | gmarselis_ | not process was running |
| 00:41.43 | iridos | yagoo, one line output per package |
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| 00:42.36 | iridos | and I think it might predate the policy option... dunno... at least I know it longer |
| 00:43.12 | Paijo | How to use iptables-save on network interfaces config? |
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| 00:44.50 | yagoo | iridos, looking at the output for bash, i see i get more from apt-cache policy .. like the repo branch.. not many people know about this command i guess |
| 00:45.03 | yagoo | (took me time to figure out) |
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| 00:46.21 | yagoo | (i mean like the full branch including ftp or http download location as well) |
| 00:46.24 | iridos | apt-show-versions just goes a step further and compares installed vs versions in repo and gives you a guess as to where it's from |
| 00:47.02 | iridos | it can fail quite horribly if several repos have the same version |
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| 00:47.19 | yagoo | what can fail? |
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| 00:47.28 | iridos | apt-show-versions |
| 00:47.43 | rking | So, I'm trying to switch from gnome3 to kde, but when I installed kde-full and uninstalled gnome-session now I have no WM. Any hints? |
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| 00:48.24 | yagoo | rking, what you mean? |
| 00:48.30 | yagoo | rking, you don't get a gui logon screen? |
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| 00:49.03 | rking | yagoo: I get a gui login screen, that is kdm --- but after that I am thrown into a blank X session with no window manager. |
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| 00:50.07 | yagoo | rking, ksmserver is installed? |
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| 00:52.58 | rking | yagoo: OK, when I run that from the command line I get a desktop enviroment... should I add "ksmserver" to something in /etc/* ? |
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| 00:54.41 | Paijo | Rking issuing dpkg-reconfigure kdm maybe solved your case? |
| 00:55.12 | rking | Paijo: I'll try that now... |
| 00:55.17 | gomi | if i installed multiple ttf font for one language, how can i select among them? |
| 00:57.08 | rking | sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm --- just runs and seems to do nothing. |
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| 00:58.20 | Paijo | Rking,yeah,just logoff or reboot to test them |
| 00:59.44 | rking | Paijo: OK ... BBIAB |
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| 01:01.54 | iorivur | hi |
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| 01:02.28 | iorivur | I changed my keyboard jp106 to USA. |
| 01:02.31 | rking | Nope, after rebooting kdm still doesn't run ksmserver upon login. |
| 01:03.17 | iorivur | And, dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
| 01:03.41 | dxtr | Guys |
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| 01:03.50 | iorivur | But still my Mod4 key is recognized as Muhenkan |
| 01:04.02 | dxtr | I'm having a little problem I've never had before. How do I find out what drivers I need for my wlan nic? |
| 01:04.06 | iorivur | Where should I doubt? |
| 01:04.11 | GordonFreeman | should i write # CONFIG_TICK_ONESHOT is not set\n# CONFIG_NO_HZ is not set\n or set them =N to disable tickless scheduling? |
| 01:05.14 | dxtr | My dad was kind enough to buy me a laptop for christmas (Yay!) and now I'm having troubles with those trivers :D |
| 01:06.01 | iorivur | dxtr:Yay! |
| 01:06.12 | dxtr | err, drivers |
| 01:06.24 | dxtr | iorivur: He won more than $1000 on a lottery. For real |
| 01:06.50 | iorivur | dxtr:Wow,Congrat! |
| 01:07.10 | dxtr | iorivur: Good guy dad spent them on christmas gifts for the family :P |
| 01:07.18 | dxtr | Even my girlfriend got a gift |
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| 01:08.03 | babilen | dxtr: "lspci -nn|grep -i network" gives you? |
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| 01:08.35 | dxtr | babilen: Well, to be honest, I'm installing Debian as we speak. It's overwriting the disk for the encrypted drive now. |
| 01:08.39 | iorivur | You have a girlfriend, and kind dad. envy |
| 01:09.09 | babilen | dxtr: Which wlan adaptor is it? |
| 01:09.37 | dxtr | babilen: It says "Acer Nplify". I was like "wtf is this witchcraft!?" |
| 01:09.44 | dxtr | It's an Acer 5250 |
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| 01:10.44 | babilen | dxtr: Well, can you connect via ethernet now (preferred) or finish the installation from CD/DVD now? |
| 01:10.55 | dxtr | babilen: That's what I'm doing |
| 01:11.08 | philipp | is there a tool for debian to remove a drm protection from my ebook? (and yes its legal in austria) |
| 01:14.34 | babilen | dxtr: Finish the installation and we can take it from there. I probably won't be around that time, so here the short form: Run the command I mentioned earlier which should give you the PCIID of your wlan adaptor (alphanumerical identifier at the end) -- You can then ask our helpful bot (judd) about that id. Let's assume it is abcd:1234 and you would then "/msg judd pciid abcd:1234"-- you can also take a look at ... |
| 01:14.40 | babilen | ... http://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/PCI |
| 01:15.32 | dxtr | babilen: Oh, awesome! Yeah. I will probably go to sleep before this is done. I'm so tired... And kind of drunk still |
| 01:16.03 | rking | OK.. so I moved everything in ~/.??* to a temporary location, and now KDE is starting correctly. Something in my config files was preventing it from starting. |
| 01:16.15 | babilen | dxtr: Once you know which card you have/which driver is needed you can get further information from yet another bot (dpkg) about it. (search with "/msg dpkg listvals FOO" where FOO is the card in question. The wiki also has good information on most cards .. |
| 01:17.16 | babilen | dxtr: You will probably need firmare from non-free for which you have to enable <contrib> and <non-free sources> in /etc/apt/sources.list to be able to install that. ("/msg dpkg contrib") |
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| 01:17.30 | babilen | dxtr: We can also continue tomorrow, but that should get you started. |
| 01:18.24 | philipp | is there a tool for debian to remove a drm protection from my ebook? (and yes its legal in austria) |
| 01:19.16 | dxtr | babilen: As long as I know what drivers/firmware I need I can probably continue on my own. But I ran dmesg, lspci and all of that during the installation while I was at my parents place and didn't get much information that was useful to me |
| 01:19.21 | GordonFreeman | why does make menuconfig enable these automatically ? CONFIG_TICK_ONESHOT=y CONFIG_SCHED_HRTICK=y |
| 01:20.03 | dxtr | babilen: But getting the wlan working would be useful. That's the most important thing |
| 01:20.19 | dxtr | But yeah. If I get stuck I'll probably ask here : |
| 01:20.21 | dxtr | :) |
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| 01:20.47 | dxtr | I'll probably notice if you're around, etc. |
| 01:21.08 | ztag100 | hey! I am going to dualboot debian and Windows XP.. would anyone mind walking me through the proccess |
| 01:21.28 | babilen | dxtr: Sure - /me is a bit busy with christmas, so you probably have to continue with the help of others though :) |
| 01:21.36 | dvs | ztag100: install windows first |
| 01:21.42 | babilen | !tell ztag100 about dual boot guide |
| 01:21.45 | ztag100 | I have windows XP installed |
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| 01:22.03 | dxtr | babilen: Yeah, christmas is basically over here :p |
| 01:22.06 | ztag100 | but nothing is partitioned yet, all one partition |
| 01:22.27 | mavez | lame its only just beginning here |
| 01:22.41 | ztag100 | still christmas eve here |
| 01:22.45 | mavez | unlucky |
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| 01:23.00 | dxtr | babilen: But I'm still drunk, getting tired and it's still overwriting the disk so... I'll probably be in bed before it's done |
| 01:23.01 | mavez | only another 22 hours and 45 minutes till it is over |
| 01:23.03 | mavez | BRING IT! |
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| 01:24.17 | dxtr | babilen: And I'm not really a rookie. I've just never had to look for drivers before :P |
| 01:24.33 | dxtr | But I've saved your instructions now. Will look at it tomorrow when it's done |
| 01:24.47 | babilen | dxtr: Sure, no problem. I just wanted to provide some pointers that might help you to solve this on your own. |
| 01:25.26 | ztag100 | Can anyone help me? |
| 01:25.45 | ztag100 | if anyone can PM me and walk me through it, I'd be greatful! |
| 01:26.05 | dvs | dpkg already did |
| 01:26.05 | dpkg | dvs: I give up, what is it? |
| 01:26.23 | dxtr | babilen: You're awesome! Hope you get an awesome christmas too! |
| 01:26.26 | babilen | ztag100: Have you already read the dual boot guide dpkg told you about? |
| 01:26.48 | tetreb | ztag100 if you're afraid to break your system you could create a virtual machine in virtualbox and install debian there. |
| 01:26.56 | ztag100 | I'm looking at it, but it seems to be about ubuntu, not debian |
| 01:27.02 | ztag100 | No, I'm not afraid |
| 01:27.08 | ztag100 | it's just first time dualbooting |
| 01:27.16 | ztag100 | normally I just fully wipe and install |
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| 01:27.55 | ztag100 | Also, first time using Debian normally use Ubuntu or Fedora, but this machine can't handle either |
| 01:28.15 | babilen | dxtr: According to http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/Acer/5250/ the laptop comes with an Atheros AR9285 |
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| 01:28.26 | babilen | !tell dxtr about AR9285 |
| 01:28.47 | ztag100 | anyone? |
| 01:29.28 | ztag100 | is the setup similar? |
| 01:29.46 | babilen | ztag100: You essentially shrink the windows partition to make room for Debian, install it and configure grub accordingly. (which should be done automagically if os-prober is installed) -- See also "/msg dpkg fixmbr" if you manage to b0rk the bootloader. |
| 01:30.14 | tetreb | ztag100 I'd say the initial setup is pretty easy. |
| 01:30.20 | babilen | dxtr: So if that wireless adaptor is indeed used you shouldn't have any problems. |
| 01:30.21 | ztag100 | ok |
| 01:30.26 | ztag100 | Which CD should I use |
| 01:30.33 | tetreb | ztag100 if you can do virtualbox just look at it from there |
| 01:30.36 | ztag100 | small or large? |
| 01:30.59 | dxtr | babilen: Oh shit. That is very useful! I tried "modprobe ath" during the install earlier at my parents place, but that didn't work. Couldn't come up with another name |
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| 01:31.03 | ztag100 | I don't really want to waste time in virtualbox, just wanna set it up and be done. |
| 01:31.21 | tetreb | use the smallest if you will, it'll download some things during install |
| 01:31.45 | ztag100 | small or smaller? :P |
| 01:31.47 | tetreb | full cd isn'T really needed |
| 01:31.56 | tetreb | doesn'T matter |
| 01:31.57 | babilen | dxtr: hehe, have fun! |
| 01:32.02 | ztag100 | small |
| 01:32.12 | dxtr | babilen: If it was that simple I'll buy you beer for the trouble |
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| 01:32.29 | tetreb | ztag100 yes, netinstall or even businesscard |
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| 01:32.38 | dxtr | babilen: Seriously. Just hand me some paypal info (or whatever) and I'll give you money for beer/pizza/whatever :P |
| 01:32.50 | babilen | dxtr: That module should even be loaded automatically, so I wouldn't expect you to have any problems/work whatsoever. (assuming it is that adaptor) |
| 01:32.57 | ztag100 | business card? |
| 01:33.04 | dxtr | babilen: Well the install cd didn't load it |
| 01:33.13 | babilen | ztag100: Do you have a working internet connection? wired? |
| 01:33.24 | ztag100 | I have a wired connection available |
| 01:33.26 | dxtr | But I'm using the 140MB (is that the correct size?) install CD if that matters |
| 01:33.33 | ztag100 | as well as wifi |
| 01:33.43 | babilen | dxtr: I would need more information then -- That is the best I could come up with for now :) |
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| 01:34.08 | babilen | ztag100: I would recommend to use the netinstall or even the netinstall with firmware |
| 01:34.12 | babilen | !tell ztag100 -about netinst |
| 01:34.21 | babilen | !tell ztag100 -about firmware image |
| 01:35.14 | ztag100 | looking at the link no |
| 01:35.17 | ztag100 | now* |
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| 01:35.52 | dxtr | babilen: btw, I could do ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 01:36.06 | ztag100 | alright |
| 01:36.12 | ztag100 | I'll go with the minimal |
| 01:36.31 | ztag100 | I have a AMD Sempron Processor |
| 01:36.36 | dxtr | "lspci -nn|grep Network" gives me 07:00.0 Network controllers [0280]: Atheros Communications Inc. Dvice [168c:0032c] (rev 01) |
| 01:36.40 | ztag100 | which is 32-Bit |
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| 01:36.50 | dxtr | babilen: loading the ath9k module didn't do much |
| 01:36.57 | ztag100 | I only see amd64 |
| 01:37.57 | ztag100 | Am I a confused noob |
| 01:38.02 | ztag100 | or am I just missing something |
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| 01:38.45 | ztag100 | help? |
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| 01:40.14 | streuner_ | judd, pciid 168c:0032c |
| 01:40.14 | judd | [168c:0032] is 'AR9485 Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'ath9k' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:0032 http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
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| 01:40.24 | dxtr | streuner_: I was just about to type that |
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| 01:41.29 | streuner_ | dxtr, well, try a bpo kernel then, if you using squeeze |
| 01:41.34 | babilen | dxtr: You need a kernel from backports -- "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" |
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| 01:41.58 | dym | Hey all - how come this monit script wont work properly? http://pastebin.com/3Qmz5fv7 (Log output included) |
| 01:42.14 | dxtr | babilen: Oh, well.. I'm not done with the install yet :) Should updrading to testing (or unstable?) work better? |
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| 01:42.43 | dxtr | streuner_: Well I'm still in the install to be honest |
| 01:43.12 | dxtr | So should it just work (TM) if I update to testing (or unstable?) and load the ath9k module? |
| 01:43.29 | babilen | dxtr: You just need a newer kernel which you can get from backports (/msg dpkg bdo) -- I would not recommend to track testing or unstable. |
| 01:43.53 | ztag100 | sorry, I was afk... did anyone respond? |
| 01:43.55 | dxtr | babilen: Why not? |
| 01:43.55 | babilen | dxtr: There are also installers with newer kernels (/msg dpkg kmuto) |
| 01:44.07 | ztag100 | irssi doesn't let me scroll up |
| 01:45.35 | babilen | dxtr: Because both are development branches of Debian and you will most likely encounter hairy problems that you can't solve yourself. If you feel comfortable with linux and Debian's packaging system you can naturally run it. Please also read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable -- It is also really not needed to get your wlan running. |
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| 01:46.14 | dxtr | babilen: well, when I run Debian I prefer testing. Stable feels a little too outdated and unstable feels too bleeding edge :p |
| 01:46.40 | dxtr | babilen: I've been running Linux for the past 5-6 years so I'm not *THAT* rookie. I've just never ran into this problem before so I didn't know where to start |
| 01:47.01 | babilen | dxtr: It's really up to you - If you are happy I am happy :) |
| 01:47.06 | dxtr | Hehe |
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| 01:47.29 | dxtr | Well you've (probably) helped me more than enough. I feel confident about this now |
| 01:47.57 | babilen | great -- you just need a kernel >= .38 for your adaptor. |
| 01:47.59 | dxtr | streuner_: Also, thank you too. You deserve a pizza too |
| 01:48.23 | dxtr | babilen: Well that is awesome. |
| 01:49.59 | dxtr | babilen: Btw, you want a pizza? I'll buy you one right now! ;) |
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| 01:50.34 | babilen | dxtr: That really isn't necessary. |
| 01:51.10 | dxtr | Well I feel generous (I'm guessing it's the christmas booze) so now is the time :P |
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| 01:51.56 | babilen | dxtr: I am more than fine -- Rather buy a pizza for a poor soul somewhere, I have no need for even more food. |
| 01:52.08 | dxtr | Hehe |
| 01:52.08 | jetscreamer | gd i 'have' pizza, he wasn't kidding!!! |
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| 01:52.43 | dxtr | Bah, it's at 50%. What happens if I cancel the "erasing data on blablabla"? Will I have to restart it or will it just skip it? |
| 01:53.02 | jetscreamer | what, dd? i dunno what you're doing |
| 01:53.07 | Black | Babilen. Can we decrease threads spawned by console kit daemon? |
| 01:53.13 | jetscreamer | oh nvm that's not dd |
| 01:53.17 | babilen | dxtr: That takes a long time -- And yes, you'll have to start over if you cancel it. |
| 01:53.21 | dxtr | jetscreamer: I'm installing Debian with encrypted LVM |
| 01:53.29 | dxtr | babilen: Aww man. That sucks P |
| 01:53.30 | dxtr | :P |
| 01:53.56 | dxtr | Should have an option to skip it (Because, let's face it, it doesn't increase security that much) |
| 01:54.48 | babilen | agreed -- or actually, /me is not entirely sure what happens if you skip it. |
| 01:55.09 | dxtr | Well, it's >50% now so I don't feel like trying :P |
| 01:55.41 | zaltekk | if you cancel it'll just move on to the next step |
| 01:55.47 | zaltekk | iirc |
| 01:55.47 | babilen | yay! |
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| 01:59.26 | babilen | dxtr: Well, I'm off. Enjoy your installation and the subsequent fiddling. |
| 01:59.32 | babilen | Have a nice day/night all :) |
| 01:59.38 | dxtr | babilen: Merry christmas! |
| 01:59.38 | dvs | bye |
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| 02:07.33 | Flynn | Now that my usb ports are wondering, I was wondering if anyone knew how to get a usb modem to work on debian |
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| 02:08.13 | Flynn | The modem has worked in both ubuntu and mint |
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| 02:09.23 | ryan-c | heh, nice ipv6 address |
| 02:09.24 | somiaj | What modem Flynn ? |
| 02:09.32 | Flynn | U600 EVDO Modem |
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| 02:09.56 | Flynn | *use ports are working |
| 02:10.17 | somiaj | Flynn: when you plug in the modem, do you see anything in dmesg that says anything about the module being figured out. |
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| 02:10.39 | Flynn | It says the product, manufacturer, and "configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice" |
| 02:10.59 | Flynn | It also says "cdc_acm 1-1.2:1.0 ttyACM0: USB ACM device" |
| 02:11.08 | somiaj | Flynn: that wan't that useful for me, but maybe this will ehlp you http://legreensolutions.com/How-to-install-EVDO-on-Debian-GNU-Linux-or-Ubuntu.html |
| 02:11.44 | aucabarcas | merry xmas to everybody!! i am about to finnish a perl script which follows every possible thread between two or more of you and tries to extract the sequence of the dialogue!! hope to post it soon. you are great people!! |
| 02:11.53 | somiaj | Flynn: I have no expereince with such devices, but that should hopefully help point you in the right direction |
| 02:12.26 | Flynn | Thanks, I'll try that in just a bit |
| 02:13.04 | philipp | key... is there ANYONE where i get free ebooks? |
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| 02:14.30 | ryan-c | philipp: http://www.gutenberg.org/ |
| 02:14.50 | philipp | that cant be it... |
| 02:14.52 | ryan-c | also http://www.baen.com/library/ |
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| 02:16.20 | philipp | ebooks are now available for almoused 10 years... and there is realy noone in the ENTIRE world out there who gave one away for free? o_O |
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| 02:16.41 | ryan-c | philipp: are you a bot or just stupid? |
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| 02:17.47 | philipp | what? o_O |
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| 02:18.10 | philipp | look at that sides... barely 50 k books there.... |
| 02:18.30 | ryan-c | "barely 50k"? |
| 02:18.46 | ryan-c | you say that like it's a small number. |
| 02:18.47 | chalcedony | i downloaded mplayer, trying to get it to play mms on debian squeeze, i have more errors than i know what to do with, help? |
| 02:19.21 | boudiccas | chalcedony; what do you want help with? |
| 02:19.25 | philipp | chalcedony ahve you installed the right encodings? |
| 02:19.37 | jetscreamer | codecs |
| 02:19.52 | chalcedony | jetscreamer, maybe not |
| 02:19.59 | chalcedony | http://pastebin.com/bvVUE6hV |
| 02:20.22 | philipp | ryan-c 50k is a very small number for conciderd all books that humanity is willing to share for free. Bokks = knowledge |
| 02:20.32 | jetscreamer | ask in #mplayer at same time maybe |
| 02:20.36 | ryan-c | chalcedony: you can 'sudo apt-get install w32-codecs' |
| 02:21.13 | ryan-c | unless they got rid of that package |
| 02:21.37 | jetscreamer | !codec |
| 02:21.37 | dpkg | A codec (portmanteau of "compressor-decompressor") is a program or device used to encode/decode a data stream or signal. Ask me about <libavcodec>, <w32codecs>. |
| 02:21.40 | chalcedony | ryan-c, trying that |
| 02:21.45 | jetscreamer | !w32codecs |
| 02:21.45 | dpkg | w32codecs (w64codecs for amd64 systems) is a <non-free> package not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. It provides binary-only <codecs> for several multimedia formats, such as DivX ;-), RealAudio/RealVideo and Windows Media. To acquire, ask me about <debian-multimedia>. If you are looking for similar plugins for <gstreamer>, then look at the gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg packages. |
| 02:21.58 | ryan-c | sorry, spurious hyphen |
| 02:22.02 | jetscreamer | !dmm |
| 02:22.02 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
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| 02:22.11 | chalcedony | E: Unable to locate package w32-codecs |
| 02:22.24 | jetscreamer | non-free |
| 02:22.34 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 02:23.31 | simonlnu | bwah, i screwed up this theme, badly |
| 02:23.40 | jetscreamer | wb iirc |
| 02:23.51 | simonlnu | hi |
| 02:23.51 | philipp | ryjan-c its not directly the codec... its this libvdpasu.so.1 stuff but i forgott how to install it... |
| 02:23.54 | ryan-c | philipp: Most of the time the author signs away all rights to a book to the publishing company. Publishing companies generally don't like to share. |
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| 02:24.38 | jetscreamer | some publishers give out free e-books, baen for one, but i know nothing |
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| 02:24.41 | ryan-c | and copyright laws provide, in my opinion, an unreasonable duration of protection. |
| 02:25.30 | ryan-c | It would be awesome if someone managed to raise a few billion dollars to purchase some laws to fix that. |
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| 02:26.25 | philipp | well thats proberply the problem... purchased laws... well i dont wanna argue about that in that channel here |
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| 02:27.32 | chalcedony | E: Package 'libxine-extracodecs' has no installation candidate |
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| 02:27.43 | chalcedony | E: Unable to locate package w32-codecs |
| 02:28.16 | jetscreamer | !tell chalcedony -about dmm |
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| 02:32.35 | chalcedony | jetscreamer, hmmmmmm |
| 02:33.18 | dvs | hmmmmm? |
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| 02:41.22 | chalcedony | dv_, i have http://pastebin.com/SBa0Dsty |
| 02:42.32 | dvs | so? add one more |
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| 02:52.28 | gorizza | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:54.57 | simonlnu | look at the relevant .desktop file |
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| 03:00.27 | jnewt_ | anyone know how to track down the reason a sata drive doesn't show up in debian (fdisk)? the drive is 2tb, it spins up, if i stick a 1tb in there it works, but the 2tb doesn't. is there a size issue? |
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| 03:00.58 | jnewt_ | debian version: lenny (i know, obsolete, but it ain't broke, so i don't fix it) |
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| 03:01.14 | somiaj | jnewt_: does the bios see the whole disk size? |
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| 03:02.29 | jnewt_ | somiaj: not sure, I'm remotely connected now, so probably can't check that. |
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| 03:03.25 | jnewt_ | somiaj: is there a non-fdisk way to search / check for a sata drive? |
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| 03:04.00 | somiaj | jnewt_: well if the bios doesn't see the whole disk it could be an issue, I would check the mobo/bios and see if maybe there were any updates you could be missing. |
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| 03:06.01 | somiaj | jnewt_: but this is a guess on my side, have you tried say cfdisk or parted? |
| 03:06.03 | somiaj | gparted |
| 03:06.09 | gorizza | jnewt_: could it be related to 4k disk sectors? Is it an old version of debian |
| 03:06.24 | gorizza | http://lwn.net/Articles/322777/ |
| 03:06.40 | jnewt_ | soiaj: blkid shows 7 outputs, 3 ext2, 1 ext3, 2 mdraid, 1 xfs types. i'm thinking those are my 4 hdd's + some left over stuf from when i was messing with mdadm, and apparently didn't clean up well. |
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| 03:09.54 | Amarande | jnewt: the "disk utility" under system tools in GNOME shows all physical drives |
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| 03:10.40 | jnewt_ | Amarande: i have no gui |
| 03:10.41 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there every one ... how can i control my boot time applications ? |
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| 03:10.58 | dvs | update-rc.d |
| 03:11.09 | cobra-the-joker | dvs, ok |
| 03:12.21 | cobra-the-joker | dvs , whats the default runlevel in debian ? |
| 03:12.34 | dvs | 2? |
| 03:12.55 | cobra-the-joker | hmmm |
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| 03:15.47 | dvs | levels 2 to 5 are the same |
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| 03:44.59 | nvz | hmm.. can't seem to figure out why even with minimal view (nothing but video playback) VLC and most other media players will not let me shrink the window beyond a certain size |
| 03:45.11 | nvz | got around it using clone video.. the clone window will go as small as I want |
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| 03:47.04 | nvz | there are times I'd want to use the wall output and be able to resize the main window though without having to double the entire wall :-/ |
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| 03:47.24 | min|dvir|us | Why would one need the syslinux package? |
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| 03:48.38 | nvz | lack of ability to use a more advanced bootloader.. I've used it to flash bios over PXE using floppy and cd images and such |
| 03:48.43 | nvz | min|dvir|us: ^ |
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| 03:49.05 | min|dvir|us | It's installed on a VPS. |
| 03:49.08 | min|dvir|us | Do I need it on a VPS? |
| 03:49.31 | nvz | hell if I know but I wouldn't think so |
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| 04:07.56 | alabd | Good day all , have installed apt-get install linux-patch-grsecurity2 , now what should be done ? |
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| 04:08.22 | ztag100 | can anyone help me? |
| 04:08.31 | ztag100 | I'm having driver trouble |
| 04:08.52 | ztag100 | this is my bug |
| 04:08.59 | ztag100 | http://osdir.com/ml/debian-kernel/2011-12/msg00218.html |
| 04:09.13 | ztag100 | any help? |
| 04:10.29 | ztag100 | is anyone out there? |
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| 04:10.52 | wolfric | it's christmas... |
| 04:10.54 | micket1 | wicket |
| 04:10.59 | wolfric | i'd say less than usual |
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| 04:11.55 | ztag100 | can anyone help me? |
| 04:12.12 | ztag100 | this is killing me |
| 04:12.21 | ztag100 | I've been trying for the past 3 hours |
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| 04:15.56 | nvz | ztag100: that link you gave links to a debian wiki which explains in detail how to resolve this issue |
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| 04:16.31 | ztag100 | it does? |
| 04:16.36 | nvz | ztag100: apparently you are trying to install using an extremely minimal install media on a device that isnt supported by that media, so get over it, install the base system, get the card working, then proceed |
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| 04:16.53 | ztag100 | which cd should I use? |
| 04:17.06 | ztag100 | can u please send me a link to the download? |
| 04:17.23 | nvz | ztag100: any other than the smallest one available the business card image |
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| 04:17.49 | nvz | and just ignore the errors and install, fix the ethernet after install |
| 04:18.00 | ztag100 | use the one called "Small CDs" ? |
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| 04:18.10 | ztag100 | instead of "Smaller" ? |
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| 04:18.34 | I_Died_Once | hey, if anyone has time, i have a really odd question i hope someone can guide me in the right direction on...... |
| 04:18.37 | ztag100 | ? |
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| 04:19.26 | ztag100 | nvs: is that right? |
| 04:19.34 | ztag100 | I'm a debian noob |
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| 04:19.43 | nvz | ztag100: you are going to need some means of installing the packages post install.. if you're not savvy with linux then you probably want to use the complete cd1 so you can have a working desktop environment |
| 04:20.07 | ztag100 | Link please? |
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| 04:20.41 | nvz | as far as I am concerned you're not apt enough to do this and I'm not in any mood to regurgitate URLs for you |
| 04:20.47 | I_Died_Once | i am going to set up a gaming server, and my bro in law is going to host it for me - long story short i need to create a image for how vmware. i want to create and use debian squeeze. How do i create an image from a base install of debian? |
| 04:21.09 | technologov | ztag100, try : |
| 04:21.09 | technologov | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.3-i386-kde-desktop.iso |
| 04:21.40 | ztag100 | Thank you techno! |
| 04:22.03 | technologov | ztag100, Debian also allows you to download full image - which is big - 32 GB. |
| 04:22.09 | nvz | I_Died_Once: I haven't used vmware in ages but their workstation and other software costs a LOT of money.. I think you could use virtualbox (newer than is in debian) to create vmware images |
| 04:22.10 | technologov | But this one is small - 1 GB only |
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| 04:22.18 | ztag100 | ok |
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| 04:22.30 | ztag100 | I'm gna move to my desktop, make the download quicker |
| 04:22.31 | ztag100 | brb |
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| 04:22.44 | technologov | full image (32 GB) has *lots* of Open-Source software included |
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| 04:23.55 | ztag100 | Can you send the link again, sorry |
| 04:24.14 | technologov | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.3-i386-kde-desktop.iso |
| 04:24.21 | ztag100 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.3-i386-kde-desktop.iso |
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| 04:24.47 | ztag100 | I notice this is a kde desktop, is there one with gnome instead? |
| 04:24.55 | technologov | sure |
| 04:25.00 | ztag100 | thanks man |
| 04:25.06 | technologov | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.3-i386-gnome-desktop.iso |
| 04:25.21 | ztag100 | downloading |
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| 04:25.58 | ztag100 | this CD will guide me through partitioning and everything right? |
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| 04:26.26 | ztag100 | brb |
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| 04:28.31 | technologov | y |
| 04:29.37 | ztag100 | back |
| 04:29.40 | ztag100 | I was downstairs |
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| 04:29.46 | ztag100 | the download is still going |
| 04:29.54 | gomi | i installed debian without DM and i found i can't watch youtube because there is no flash plugin |
| 04:30.09 | gomi | but which flash plugin should i use?? |
| 04:30.13 | ztag100 | its only .3GB of the way |
| 04:30.21 | ztag100 | this is gooing to be a long night! |
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| 04:31.24 | gomi | ztag100: u are also new to debian? |
| 04:31.29 | ztag100 | new to debian |
| 04:31.31 | ztag100 | yes |
| 04:31.49 | ztag100 | I normaly use Ubuntu or Fedora |
| 04:32.00 | ztag100 | but this laptop can't run either to well |
| 04:32.11 | ztag100 | by the way, its gna dualboot with WindowsXP |
| 04:32.35 | ztag100 | my plan is to set it up as a minecraft server for me and a few friends |
| 04:32.38 | gomi | ztag100: my laptop has a triboot...xp,ubuntu,debian |
| 04:32.42 | ztag100 | nice |
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| 04:32.51 | ztag100 | thats what I should use on my desktop |
| 04:33.28 | gomi | ztag100: minecraft is not free now, am i right |
| 04:33.55 | ztag100 | minecraft hasn't been free for a while |
| 04:33.55 | gomi | ztag100: i also want to have a try on minecraft, i seems fun |
| 04:34.01 | ztag100 | I love it! |
| 04:34.09 | ztag100 | my friends and I are very addicted |
| 04:34.41 | gomi | ztag100: i checked the official site, the current version is not free?? |
| 04:35.07 | ztag100 | yes |
| 04:35.20 | ztag100 | I bought it while in beta |
| 04:35.26 | ztag100 | it was like 21 dollars |
| 04:35.29 | gomi | ztag100: only old version is free now |
| 04:35.31 | ztag100 | now i think its 28 |
| 04:35.40 | ztag100 | but, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND! |
| 04:35.45 | ztag100 | If you buy it |
| 04:35.53 | ztag100 | I'll let you know once server is setup |
| 04:36.29 | gomi | ztag100: i click on playing old version in browser, but it said :missing plugin, java |
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| 04:37.21 | gomi | ztag100: how can i play it without a web browser?? |
| 04:38.05 | ztag100 | you can download it |
| 04:38.14 | ztag100 | but, the classic version isn't very good |
| 04:38.24 | ztag100 | it lacks the survival aspect |
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| 04:40.12 | ztag100 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:40.16 | ztag100 | ah, fios |
| 04:40.27 | ztag100 | imagine this download in the days of dialup? |
| 04:40.34 | boudiccas | ztag100; gomi can you please take your offtopic discussion to #debain-offtopic where its more relevant |
| 04:40.46 | Flynn505 | So I'm still trying to get a usb modem to work and was wondering if maybe the network manager I am trying to use (Wicd) simply doesn't work with them? |
| 04:40.49 | boudiccas | #debian-offtopic |
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| 04:41.01 | Flynn505 | The wiki was vague and I can't figure it out |
| 04:41.15 | ztag100 | 6 seconds left to this download |
| 04:41.32 | ztag100 | it says 0 seconds left |
| 04:41.35 | Flynn505 | Because dmesg shows the usb device as an acm device, which makes sense but I can't get it |
| 04:41.37 | ztag100 | yet, it isn't done? |
| 04:41.49 | nvz | Flynn505: cell modem? |
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| 04:42.02 | Flynn505 | nvz: usb modem |
| 04:42.12 | nvz | Flynn505: USB is not a network protocol |
| 04:42.23 | Flynn505 | nvz: like an air card |
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| 04:42.48 | nvz | Flynn505: in other words, cellular, cdma/evdo? |
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| 04:43.02 | Flynn505 | nvz: evdo |
| 04:43.03 | ztag100 | and, burning |
| 04:43.09 | ztag100 | wish me luck! |
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| 04:43.20 | nvz | Flynn505: no network manager is going to just work with that, its a dialup modem, you need a dialup utility like gnome-ppp or something |
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| 04:43.50 | nvz | Flynn505: you will also need to know at the very least what number it dials, and what your username/password is |
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| 04:44.08 | Flynn505 | nvz: Any idea as to why this would work fine in Mint and Ubuntu? I could just plug it in and it was fairly simple from there. |
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| 04:44.40 | nvz | Flynn505: consiering I've never used Mint, never used one of those on ubuntu, and this is #debian, no I haven't a clue |
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| 04:45.20 | nvz | Flynn505: I'm just telling you what I know. I used to use one on debian with gnome-ppp, had to dial #777 or something then login |
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| 04:46.16 | jnewt_ | how do i get rid of the xfs & mdraid partitions? i don't have a raid array |
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| 04:46.24 | ztag100 | almost done burning |
| 04:46.38 | nvz | jnewt_: what are you talking about? |
| 04:46.45 | ztag100 | then I'll brb from my other computer when I get the install running |
| 04:46.47 | ztag100 | cool? |
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| 04:47.16 | Flynn505 | nvz: Here is a pictur eof it... something like this is really called a dial-up modem? http://tinyurl.com/u600evdomodem |
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| 04:47.37 | ztag100 | pce |
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| 04:48.33 | Flynn505 | nvz: One more question, if you don't mind. Does Wvdial sound familiar? |
| 04:48.56 | nvz | Flynn505: yes.. it works over a phone network. And yes wvdial is a commonly used backend for gnome-ppp |
| 04:49.22 | Flynn505 | nvz: Thanks. This makes a bit more sense now. |
| 04:50.36 | nvz | Flynn505: yeah well wicd is not the program to use for this.. and it only works with interfaces listed as either wired or wireless interface in its preferences |
| 04:51.09 | nvz | Flynn505: its essentially from the OS's point of view just a serial communication port and a dial up modem like was used ages ago |
| 04:51.48 | Flynn505 | nvz: I didn't understand all of that, but essentially would wvdial *probably* work? |
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| 04:52.14 | Flynn505 | nvz: and wicd definitely won't since its not wired or wireless in the modern sense? |
| 04:52.18 | nvz | Flynn505: only if you know what number to dial and what the login information is.. at the very least if not the specifics |
| 04:52.35 | Flynn505 | nvz: Okay. |
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| 04:53.09 | nvz | Flynn505: pppconfig is an easy to use ncurses based config util I've used and there is also gnome-ppp which is a GTK based UI |
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| 05:01.24 | Flynn505 | nvz: It is just a bit frustrating because I haven't had to do anything like this on a different distribution. |
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| 05:07.52 | m4k | Im nw to debian. After installing debian from 650MB iso , there is no synaptic. Hw install synaptic |
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| 05:09.51 | Amarande | m4k: "apt-get install synaptic" as root |
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| 05:10.33 | m4k | Bt i have no n/w |
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| 05:13.36 | m4k | I have no internet connection |
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| 05:18.56 | m4k | Plz hlp me |
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| 05:21.35 | m4k | Plz hlp me hw to install synaptic |
| 05:21.44 | wolfric | m4k: if you have no internet connection then how can you... |
| 05:22.25 | m4k | Plz give any site address |
| 05:22.49 | wolfric | m4k: http://cnn.com |
| 05:24.21 | m4k | Ok. Hw to connect phone via bluetooth |
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| 05:28.01 | voidmage | I'm not quite sure where to ask this but when running wine on sid I get this error: ALSA lib ../../src/dlmisc.c:254:(snd1_dlobj_cache_get) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib32/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so |
| 05:28.16 | voidmage | I have lib32asound2-plugins installed and I'm not sure where to go next |
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| 05:28.20 | voidmage | That's as far as I could find on google |
| 05:28.24 | ztag100 | don't u guys love waiting for partitios to resize? I don't |
| 05:28.44 | voidmage | The problem is that wine seems to be ignoring pulse and I believe that error is the culprit |
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| 05:30.04 | voidmage | Okay that makes sense |
| 05:30.12 | voidmage | I was testing a thing and replaced a pulse library in ia32-libs |
| 05:30.14 | voidmage | and forgot to set it back |
| 05:30.25 | voidmage | but replacing that library solved another crash in wine |
| 05:30.28 | voidmage | the ultimate dilemma... |
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| 05:36.07 | gomi | anyone knows which package should i install to watch youtube in browser? |
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| 05:37.35 | Black | Gomi, flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 05:38.29 | wt0vremr | gomi or use html5 |
| 05:38.55 | wt0vremr | gomi youtube,com/html5 |
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| 05:46.23 | voidmage | yeah i really don't know enough to test updating libpulse in ia32-libs |
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| 05:47.10 | voidmage | everything i try ends up breaking pulse for things that use ia32-libs, so i guess i'll just have to leave it to someone who knows how to do that |
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| 05:52.23 | innociv | What ftp would someone recommend? I'm needing to make something where new users and their home dir are created via a web interface for the ftp. |
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| 05:54.03 | gomi | actually i want to know which file is pppoeconf writing onto |
| 05:54.57 | gomi | or more technically say, how can i hack the pppoeconf and figure out which file is it writing to?? |
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| 06:09.12 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i'm thinking of reinstalling debian from scratch but this time i want to setup multiple partitions for /var, /home, /usr, etc........what's the most effective way to setup? it's just for a personal laptop use. i run 3 vm's at the same time |
| 06:09.34 | paranoidphreak | i want debian to be my host OS |
| 06:12.32 | readme | why do you want different partitions? |
| 06:12.51 | readme | I'm personally guilty of just putting everyting on /. |
| 06:13.04 | readme | Makes sense to have separate /boot if you compile your own kernel though, to avoid using an initrd. |
| 06:13.17 | nvz | uh what? |
| 06:13.32 | readme | well, unless you statically link ext3/4. |
| 06:13.51 | nvz | yes, thats generally what I do |
| 06:14.32 | paranoidphreak | readme: i heard that it makes your computer run faster |
| 06:14.46 | dax | It doesn't. |
| 06:15.12 | nvz | it makes you reinstall and lose data cause you run out of space |
| 06:15.17 | nvz | heh |
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| 06:15.48 | paranoidphreak | dax: oh.....than what's the point of having multiple partitions? |
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| 06:17.06 | dax | paranoidphreak: There are various fun complicated use cases for enterprise usage. People using encryption usually need separate /boot. Some people swear by separate /home to make it easier to reinstall. People with multiple hard disks and no RAID might put different partitions on different disks. |
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| 06:17.21 | dax | I personally don't bother and just have / and swap. |
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| 06:18.05 | readme | paranoidphreak: if you get a performance increase off multiple partitions on a desktop machine, it will probably be negligible. |
| 06:18.21 | readme | I'm not sure people bother to optimize hard disk geometry anymore, either |
| 06:18.30 | readme | but I could be wrong. |
| 06:19.20 | readme | what i can tell you for sure is, if you make a partition, you're setting up limits for the data of your various directories... meaning you may end up having to do more maintenance later to resize etc, then you would if you just didn't mess with this. |
| 06:19.25 | paranoidphreak | dax, readme: thanks.......i'll stick with my current setup then, swap and / |
| 06:19.32 | readme | that's the spirit. |
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| 06:20.27 | Alpha-Omega | how do you change the graphics driver that's being used? |
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| 06:34.56 | rabbitear | fine then |
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| 06:37.22 | rabbitear | so you're a little bit more intellange <--- zombie, then the arch linux females |
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| 06:42.15 | I_Died_Once | anyone know much about vmware? |
| 06:42.47 | I_Died_Once | i need to create a vmware image and i'm trying to figure out which packages i need to install? |
| 06:43.12 | I_Died_Once | is the open-vm stuff compatible with vmware |
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| 08:01.46 | qdb | firefox hanged, i closed it, it is in system monitor and ps. i have tried killall firefox-bin, kill 2456, kill -s 9 2456, kill -s 15 2456, do not work |
| 08:03.30 | dwfreed | It's probably a zombie |
| 08:03.32 | qdb | it is zombie |
| 08:03.43 | qdb | what then |
| 08:03.57 | dwfreed | qdb: you can't kill zombies, and they don't take any resources; if it really bothers you, reboot |
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| 08:04.08 | qdb | then i restart it |
| 08:04.24 | qdb | "Iceweasel is already running, but is not responding. To open a new window, you must first close the existing Iceweasel process, or restart your system." |
| 08:05.26 | dwfreed | That's because iceweasel didn't get a chance to clean up its lock files |
| 08:06.05 | qdb | so it, zombie processes, is normal thing? why? any important/reasonable reasons/expalanations? |
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| 08:06.43 | qdb | dwfreed, may be i can relogin? |
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| 08:07.57 | dwfreed | qdb: well, you have 2 options, use another browser to find where iceweasel stores its lock files and delete them, or reboot |
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| 08:10.20 | rhineheart_m | hello.. anyone here who has tried using Debian Appliance Builder? |
| 08:10.34 | rhineheart_m | or is this the right place to ask about it? |
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| 08:10.55 | qdb | relogin do not help |
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| 08:20.57 | josh9 | i use startx but from some reason I can't see x anymore (i use text-base irc chat now). how do i troubleshot this mess> |
| 08:20.59 | josh9 | ? |
| 08:21.21 | josh9 | deian sqeeze on x120e |
| 08:21.28 | josh9 | (lenovo) |
| 08:21.57 | qdb | such problem was not several years with linuxes for me, mostly ubuntu. debian -1 ) !! |
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| 08:23.02 | josh9 | when my laptop boot i can choose safemode. should i try that> |
| 08:23.04 | josh9 | ? |
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| 08:33.01 | josh9 | anyone can help troubleshooting x issue? |
| 08:34.09 | streuner_ | look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 08:34.34 | josh9 | streuner_: ok |
| 08:35.06 | streuner_ | josh9: /msg dpkg pastebinit |
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| 08:37.45 | qdb | deb http://mirror.yandex.ru/debian-security/ squeeze main contrib non-free do not work, how to write this correctly? or there are indeed not correct repo? |
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| 08:38.38 | streuner_ | qdb, /msg dpkg security |
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| 08:39.02 | qdb | ok |
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| 08:40.00 | josh9 | streuner_: http://pastebin.com/sX0i4ZAa |
| 08:40.18 | qdb | fixed |
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| 08:42.22 | jmd | I inaadvertently deleted /var/lib/dpkg. Can I recover without reinstalling? |
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| 08:43.53 | streuner_ | josh9: /msg judd pciid 1002:9802 |
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| 08:45.45 | gomi | i have a problem with my X cursor |
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| 08:47.01 | gomi | i installed a minimal debian without DM, i use startx to start my X server, but i found the cursor is too small |
| 08:47.24 | gomi | how can i configure its size? |
| 08:47.31 | streuner_ | josh9: i would read http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary , if that doesnt work, i would use VESA |
| 08:47.47 | SachADay | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:47.48 | derpinson | sudo reboot does not work, same for poweroff halt and init 6 drive me nuts |
| 08:47.55 | SachADay | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:47.57 | derpinson | gives me a nice hexadeciaml output |
| 08:48.03 | josh9 | streuner_: thank you for helping out. what is the issue with my laptop? |
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| 08:49.44 | josh9 | is it my graphic driver> |
| 08:49.45 | josh9 | ? |
| 08:49.51 | derpinson | locate reboot |
| 08:49.54 | derpinson | oops |
| 08:49.55 | streuner_ | sure, what else? |
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| 08:50.43 | streuner_ | josh9: do you have a LIVE-CD handy, like Knoppix or GRML? |
| 08:50.51 | CrazyGir | is there a way to run the debian installer from recovery mode? |
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| 08:51.09 | CrazyGir | eg, if you want to reinstall a system, but do not have a livecd |
| 08:52.00 | gomi | CrazyGir: i think a normal install cd can also boot your computer |
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| 08:52.45 | josh9 | streuner_: no, what can i do with those? |
| 08:52.46 | CrazyGir | gomi: the system boots fine, I just want to reinstall cleanly on this particular system, but at the moment, I'm unable to locate my cd |
| 08:53.01 | josh9 | streuner_: i might have xubuntu |
| 08:53.18 | streuner_ | josh9: no other CDRW free? |
| 08:53.22 | josh9 | but i don't have cdrom on this laptop |
| 08:53.48 | streuner_ | josh9: no extern USB CDROM handy? |
| 08:53.57 | josh9 | streuner_: nope |
| 08:53.58 | gomi | CrazyGir: do u have a USE |
| 08:54.00 | streuner_ | or DVD, hm |
| 08:54.03 | CrazyGir | josh9: unetinboot + usb = problem solved |
| 08:54.08 | CrazyGir | gomi: a what? |
| 08:54.18 | gomi | CrazyGir: sorry, usb stick |
| 08:54.22 | josh9 | CrazyGir: reinstall my debian? |
| 08:54.28 | CrazyGir | I do, but it's small |
| 08:54.35 | josh9 | i guess it's an option |
| 08:54.39 | CrazyGir | josh9: not necessarily, I'm saying you can get a live env |
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| 08:54.51 | CrazyGir | without the cdrom |
| 08:54.52 | josh9 | ho |
| 08:55.14 | gomi | CrazyGir: smallest debian is only within 45MB |
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| 08:55.16 | CrazyGir | gomi: can the install not be run from the rescue kernel? |
| 08:55.33 | josh9 | CrazyGir: so install knoppix? |
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| 08:55.41 | josh9 | on a usb |
| 08:55.43 | CrazyGir | josh9: how do you mean? |
| 08:55.50 | CrazyGir | josh9: oh, something like that |
| 08:56.04 | josh9 | and what do i do with the live cd? |
| 08:56.17 | CrazyGir | I don't really have any other input for your problem, just noting how to work around the no cd issue |
| 08:56.39 | josh9 | CrazyGir: i can't see x anymore |
| 08:56.46 | josh9 | startx not working |
| 08:56.51 | CrazyGir | pastebin errors? |
| 08:56.55 | streuner_ | a live CD would test your env. and makes a working X available, if not with any X driver, with VESA then... |
| 08:57.26 | streuner_ | <josh9> streuner_: http://pastebin.com/sX0i4ZAa |
| 08:57.44 | streuner_ | the only error i see is synaptics |
| 08:57.48 | clean | lspci | grep -i video |
| 08:58.09 | streuner_ | its Wrestler [Radeon HD 6310] |
| 08:58.18 | josh9 | streuner_: ok, so just get a livecd, boot it and see what happened? |
| 08:58.24 | derpinson | can I reisntall safely? sudo aptitude remove sysvinit |
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| 08:58.35 | derpinson | sudo aptitude install sysvinit |
| 08:58.54 | streuner_ | josh9: sure, see what happens and what it write into xorg.conf |
| 08:58.57 | gomi | i installed a minimal debian without DM, i use startx to start my X |
| 08:58.57 | gomi | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:59.03 | streuner_ | josh9: if needed |
| 08:59.17 | derpinson | or will I cripple my system? |
| 08:59.23 | CrazyGir | gomi: in console? |
| 08:59.34 | gomi | CrazyGir: no, in X |
| 08:59.36 | CrazyGir | gomi: you can change the framebuffer settings |
| 08:59.47 | CrazyGir | oh, in a terminal? |
| 09:00.30 | gomi | CrazyGir: I mean my mouse cursor, not the cursor in terminal |
| 09:00.40 | CrazyGir | gomi: which desktop/window manager? |
| 09:00.51 | gomi | CrazyGir: ratpoison |
| 09:01.04 | josh9 | streuner_: ok. worst case i can reinstall debian. i need to get kernel 2.6.38 (from backports) to get suppport for my radeon. |
| 09:01.16 | gomi | CrazyGir: and i do not have a DM |
| 09:01.18 | CrazyGir | gomi: so why are you asking in #debian? |
| 09:01.41 | CrazyGir | though this might be an X setting, the place I'd start is w/ your wm |
| 09:01.46 | josh9 | CrazyGir: it's debian without DE |
| 09:01.50 | streuner_ | josh9: /msg dpkg bpo kernel |
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| 09:01.59 | gomi | CrazyGir: sorry i am new to here |
| 09:02.14 | CrazyGir | gomi: s'ok : |
| 09:02.15 | CrazyGir | :) |
| 09:02.22 | gomi | CrazyGir: similar problem with X or CLI environment, where should i go |
| 09:02.28 | CrazyGir | no apologies, you aren't a terrible place |
| 09:02.39 | CrazyGir | s/place/person |
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| 09:02.59 | gomi | CrazyGir: I found quite few people in #debian-desktop |
| 09:03.00 | CrazyGir | gomi: if CLI, you need to fiddle with the kernel framebuffer settings |
| 09:03.06 | gomi | CrazyGir: and i come here |
| 09:03.07 | derpinson | anyone could help me with a reboot problem? |
| 09:03.18 | clean | derpinson: details ? |
| 09:03.32 | CrazyGir | gomi: use duckduckgo/google/etc and research the topic RE ratpoison |
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| 09:04.02 | gomi | s/place/person |
| 09:04.05 | gomi | ... |
| 09:04.05 | CrazyGir | you're using debian linux, you are sometimes going to need to figure out the nitty gritty details yourself |
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| 09:04.20 | CrazyGir | gomi: s/foo/bar is "replace foo with bar" |
| 09:04.32 | mjt | substitute |
| 09:05.08 | gomi | u guys really speak not in english but in code.. |
| 09:05.23 | mjt | s/// is a commonly used gem |
| 09:05.39 | mjt | like shortcuts like iirc, afiacs, lol etc |
| 09:05.48 | gomi | CrazyGir: what is duckduckgo.. |
| 09:06.01 | CrazyGir | www.duckduckgo.com |
| 09:06.07 | CrazyGir | www.donttrack.us |
| 09:06.11 | gomi | CrazyGir: oh i will check |
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| 09:06.33 | CrazyGir | gomi: s/foo/bar is used in vim, amongst other places |
| 09:06.42 | CrazyGir | the pattern is common, as mjt pointed out |
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| 09:06.56 | gomi | CrazyGir: unfortunately i use emacs:) |
| 09:07.02 | mjt | it is sed(1) (or ed(1)) command, implemented in lots of other places |
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| 09:07.08 | CrazyGir | so is it possible to run the installer from rescue mode? I am not able to confirm |
| 09:07.27 | derpinson | <clean |
| 09:07.39 | derpinson | clean : I answered you in private |
| 09:08.36 | mjt | gomi: is your monitor a CRT or LDC? |
| 09:08.42 | mjt | LCD even |
| 09:08.49 | gomi | mjt: lcd |
| 09:09.16 | gomi | mjt: my laptop with 1280x800 resolution |
| 09:09.38 | mjt | the "small cursor" thing usually means (or meant, in the past, with CRT screens) that the X server has choosen a very high resolution |
| 09:10.13 | mjt | but it isn't easy to tweak these things without a desktop environment anymore |
| 09:10.20 | gomi | mjt: yeah, but what i want is bigger cursor but not lower resolution |
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| 09:10.46 | CrazyGir | gomi: consider using xfce? |
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| 09:11.28 | mjt | in "old good" days it was possible to change using Xorg.conf (or XFree86.conf or X11.conf), but everyone already forgot how to do that, especially since Xorg.conf isn't used anymore |
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| 09:12.01 | mjt | i'm running xfce but i don't see how to change cursor size :) |
| 09:12.07 | gomi | CrazyGir: i should recognize that i am alittle bit OCD with CLI.... |
| 09:12.26 | CrazyGir | how do you mean? |
| 09:12.54 | gomi | CrazyGir: i just want CLI and NO desktop manager |
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| 09:13.09 | mjt | CLI most likely means something like xterm |
| 09:13.19 | gomi | mjt: yeah |
| 09:13.32 | gomi | mjt: i want to get rid of any fancy things.. |
| 09:13.48 | mjt | you need some X gury who still remember how to configure your issue ;) |
| 09:14.17 | mjt | i doubt you'll get help here, but you may try, like, #xorg |
| 09:14.25 | gomi | mjt: exactly yes, i read many websites, but little help |
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| 09:14.32 | Zharf | gomi, I recommend wmii + rxvt-unicode1 |
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| 09:15.22 | mjt | i dumped rxvt some years ago |
| 09:15.48 | gomi | Zharf: wmii is a WM, right? |
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| 09:15.55 | Zharf | sure |
| 09:15.59 | Zharf | tiling wm |
| 09:16.15 | gomi | Zharf: so what's different from, say, ratpoison |
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| 09:16.51 | Zharf | not that much I guess, "except it's much better!12" ;) |
| 09:16.53 | mjt | wmii has decorations :) |
| 09:17.30 | gomi | Zharf: what is rxvt? shell? |
| 09:17.42 | Zharf | terminal emulator |
| 09:18.05 | Zharf | the best of the best |
| 09:18.22 | gomi | Zharf: i see...really? |
| 09:18.29 | gomi | Zharf: i will try |
| 09:18.32 | Zharf | ;) |
| 09:18.44 | mjt | gomi: this may help: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/X11_Cursors |
| 09:19.10 | gomi | Zharf: i hope i can configure my font and font size conveniently in my terminal |
| 09:19.22 | gomi | Zharf: that's the neat thing i want to do now |
| 09:19.39 | clean | gomi: gnome-terminal or others ? |
| 09:19.58 | Zharf | gomi, .Xdefaults |
| 09:20.12 | gomi | clean: no..i will not use gnome and ANY other DM |
| 09:20.15 | Leoneof | hi, what's the command line to see if irda is installed or not? |
| 09:20.37 | gomi | mjt: thanks |
| 09:20.59 | mjt | gomi: using gnome-terminal or any other gnome component does not mean to use gnome itself |
| 09:21.29 | mjt | gomi: lots of applications use one or another library that comes with gnome |
| 09:21.38 | clean | mjt: I like gnome-terminal, even in LXDE |
| 09:21.39 | mjt | gomi: gtk is core of it |
| 09:21.53 | mjt | clean: and in that case take a look at roxterm :) |
| 09:21.57 | gomi | mjt: oh thanks...i will try gnome-terminal |
| 09:22.11 | mjt | gomi: or you ^^ :) |
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| 09:22.37 | mjt | (but in squeeze it is not really useful, in wheezy it is much better) |
| 09:22.40 | gomi | mjt: but u know, i don't want any menu or scorll bar to mess up my neat CLI... |
| 09:22.45 | Zharf | I can't stand the font rendering in gnome-terminal |
| 09:23.05 | Zharf | konsole is way better if I have to compare the non-rxvt ones |
| 09:23.06 | mjt | Zharf: you mean anti-aliasing? |
| 09:23.27 | Zharf | mjt, I really don't know what makes it so crappy in gnome-terminal |
| 09:23.46 | mjt | well, "crappy" isn't a good description :) |
| 09:23.59 | Zharf | sure it is |
| 09:24.10 | Zharf | it just looks bad -> it's crappy |
| 09:24.23 | mjt | it may be crappy in lots of ways |
| 09:24.30 | clean | Leoneof: pacman -Qs irda ? |
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| 09:24.38 | mjt | pacman? |
| 09:24.46 | Zharf | mjt, I'm simple when it comes to looks |
| 09:24.52 | Zharf | it's either crappy, or it's good |
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| 09:25.03 | Leoneof | clean: pacman? |
| 09:25.11 | m4k | Plz help me when i installed debian but there is no synaptic. How to install synaptic without internet |
| 09:25.12 | mjt | it is from arch iirc |
| 09:25.29 | clean | Leoneof: yes |
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| 09:26.04 | clean | Leoneof: sorry, dpkg -l | grep idra |
| 09:26.43 | m4k | Plz help me when i installed debian but there is no synaptic. How to install synaptic without internet |
| 09:26.45 | clean | Leoneof: what are you using? |
| 09:27.51 | m4k | Plz help me when i installed debian but there is no synaptic. How to install synaptic |
| 09:27.59 | Leoneof | clean: i want to know the model of irda, it is built-in laptop |
| 09:28.10 | Leoneof | clean: or to see if irda is working or not. |
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| 09:30.07 | clean | Leoneof: I have no laptops and not familiar with irda, even never hear of that |
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| 09:30.16 | m4k | Plz help me im nw to debian when i installed debian but there is no synaptic. How to install synaptic without internet |
| 09:30.25 | Leoneof | clean: ok, thank you :) |
| 09:31.10 | clean | m4k: without internet, a little difficult |
| 09:31.49 | m4k | Plz tell me how to connect internet |
| 09:32.05 | CrazyGir | is it possible to access the debian installer from the rescue kernel/shell? |
| 09:32.31 | CrazyGir | m4k: do you have a cd w/ pacakges? |
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| 09:32.55 | m4k | What is that |
| 09:33.10 | CrazyGir | you might want to consider #ubuntu... |
| 09:33.16 | CrazyGir | or #windwos |
| 09:33.41 | CrazyGir | m4k: it's a cd with debian packages on it |
| 09:33.47 | CrazyGir | cd/dvd, not sure |
| 09:34.00 | m4k | No |
| 09:34.01 | CrazyGir | if you want to install pgk without a connection to the net, that's your best bet |
| 09:34.13 | CrazyGir | good luck then |
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| 09:34.35 | m4k | Whr i get that cd |
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| 09:35.49 | CrazyGir | debian.org |
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| 09:36.14 | CrazyGir | m4k: you are not helpless, you need to start thinking for yourself if you're going to use this OS |
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| 09:36.38 | CrazyGir | Monsanto: helluva name.. |
| 09:36.59 | josh9 | i am installing debian and want to use the ENTIRE disk. in the 'partition disks' window i see scsi1 (320gb) and scsi2 (2gb). what should i do now? |
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| 09:37.30 | CrazyGir | use lvm and have it use your 320, if that is what you want to do |
| 09:37.32 | josh9 | is it possible that scsi2 is my usb stick? |
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| 09:37.57 | gomi | josh9: exactly it is |
| 09:37.59 | josh9 | never used lvm so i prefer not to, unless there is a good reason to use it. |
| 09:38.18 | CrazyGir | josh9: yep, that 2gb is probably your usb |
| 09:38.28 | mosno | josh9: lvm is good if you have >1 filesystem (eg. root and home) and you run out of space on root and need to resize |
| 09:38.40 | mosno | (for example) |
| 09:38.42 | josh9 | mosno: i don't think i need it |
| 09:38.52 | CrazyGir | josh9: lvm is worth using with large disks and separate filesystems |
| 09:38.54 | josh9 | so i can hit 'finish partitioning' |
| 09:38.59 | josh9 | ? |
| 09:39.02 | CrazyGir | it's nice to be able to change your mind later |
| 09:39.03 | CrazyGir | sure |
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| 09:39.16 | josh9 | i see 'no root file system is defined' |
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| 09:39.32 | gomi | josh9: choose a mount point |
| 09:39.39 | josh9 | maybe i should hit the scsi1? |
| 09:40.22 | josh9 | or i should choose 'guided partitioning' |
| 09:40.57 | josh9 | basically i can move the cursor between the current partitions or i can chose 'guided partitioning' |
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| 09:41.14 | josh9 | but i don't know what to pick.. |
| 09:41.22 | CrazyGir | what's wrong with being guided? |
| 09:41.32 | josh9 | CrazyGir: nothing wrong. let me try |
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| 09:41.37 | CrazyGir | you're asking us for guidance, might as well let the installer help :) |
| 09:41.40 | gomi | josh9: i don't remember which to choose, but it will be totally safe to have a try |
| 09:41.59 | gomi | josh9: any change will ask u to permit |
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| 09:42.10 | mjt | "which to choose" -> both works |
| 09:42.18 | josh9 | ok. figure it out. the scsi2 scrade me. (: |
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| 09:45.12 | josh9 | 'no installable kernel was found in the defined APT source' |
| 09:45.14 | josh9 | WTF |
| 09:46.19 | josh9 | this laptop had debian on it 5 minutes ago. what's going on here? |
| 09:46.35 | josh9 | i am installing with a usb stick. connected to the internet. |
| 09:46.41 | josh9 | (with a wire) |
| 09:47.15 | jetscreamer | try a different source maybe, no idea |
| 09:47.25 | josh9 | jetscreamer: how? |
| 09:47.35 | jetscreamer | when it asks you to choose a mirror |
| 09:48.17 | jetscreamer | netinst? had debian? full cd/dvd? what source? |
| 09:48.48 | jetscreamer | err full usb stick image / netinst rather |
| 09:49.13 | jetscreamer | and hybrid image? or no? |
| 09:49.15 | josh9 | it's a netinst |
| 09:49.24 | jetscreamer | try a diff source |
| 09:49.27 | josh9 | iso on a usb stick |
| 09:49.32 | jetscreamer | is what i would try first |
| 09:50.01 | josh9 | when i create the disk (i used unetbootin) |
| 09:50.05 | josh9 | ? |
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| 09:50.18 | jetscreamer | never done that, i did usb once all i know |
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| 09:50.46 | josh9 | ok. i am trying again. just in case. |
| 09:51.12 | jetscreamer | but that just loads the installer, you choose a source off the internet after it brings the nic up |
| 09:51.42 | jetscreamer | make sure the nic is working right and choose diff source would be my thing |
| 09:51.47 | jetscreamer | but i dunno much |
| 09:52.09 | josh9 | jetscreamer: what's a 'nic' |
| 09:52.18 | jetscreamer | network interface card |
| 09:52.27 | jetscreamer | thing you plug the wire into |
| 09:52.39 | jetscreamer | the internet wire :) |
| 09:52.48 | josh9 | jetscreamer: so go back to 'detect network hardware'? |
| 09:53.03 | jetscreamer | well if you know it worked and you can connect no |
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| 09:53.32 | josh9 | so where can i choose 'source' |
| 09:53.35 | josh9 | ? |
| 09:53.40 | jetscreamer | choose a mirror |
| 09:53.48 | jetscreamer | mirror/source same thing |
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| 09:54.33 | josh9 | i don't see it in the main menu. |
| 09:54.38 | josh9 | i have 'choose a language' |
| 09:54.48 | josh9 | 'select a keyboard layout' |
| 09:54.57 | jetscreamer | below the nic one |
| 09:55.34 | josh9 | configure the network, setup users and pass, clock, detect disks, |
| 09:55.53 | josh9 | load installer components from cd? |
| 09:56.11 | jetscreamer | you don't have 'cd' you said you have netinst |
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| 09:56.37 | jetscreamer | but i think i had that problem when i did usb, hence the hybrid image question |
| 09:56.57 | jetscreamer | the image works for either cd or usb, supposedly |
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| 09:57.44 | josh9 | jetscreamer: where can i change mirror/source? |
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| 09:58.47 | matthieu637 | hi, i can no longer boot after adding RAM to my server. At the beginning, i had 1 G (kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64), i tried to upgrade to 1.5G => kernel panics, so i installed xen-amd64, then it works ( even if i boot on the simple amd64), finaly i tried to upgrade to 2G but nothing works ( amd64 & xen-amd64 ), how could you explain that ? and what can i do? |
| 09:59.31 | jetscreamer | i'm guessing, but i'm guessing that the image you used to burn to the usbstick is a hybrid image and your hardware doesn't do hybrid images well like mine didn't, so the installer 'thinks' it's loaded on a cd .. but i dunno. |
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| 10:00.04 | zebuj | Hello, is there any good tool for linux, that hooks somehow on the boot loader and provides "plausible deniability" or "deniable encryption"? |
| 10:00.30 | josh9 | jetscreamer: np. i'll do some google |
| 10:01.40 | jetscreamer | josh9: iirc i wound up using a debian live image, they offered an image that was specifically not-hybrid and it 'just worked' |
| 10:02.25 | josh9 | jetscreamer: where do i get it? just google for live image? |
| 10:02.34 | jetscreamer | !debian-live |
| 10:02.35 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
| 10:02.43 | josh9 | btw, it might be related to the fact that i had debian on this machine before. |
| 10:03.03 | jetscreamer | i kinda doubt it, but no telling |
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| 10:03.32 | josh9 | jetscreamer: how about boot flag? i just read something about it. maybe i forgot to set it? |
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| 10:05.14 | jetscreamer | ms os's care about boot flag |
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| 10:05.30 | jetscreamer | if you mean like 'bootable' or 'active' |
| 10:05.42 | jetscreamer | linux doesn't |
| 10:06.57 | josh9 | i am trying the graphical install. just to see if it magicaly works |
| 10:07.15 | jetscreamer | and that has nothing to do with the fact that you're using a netinst and it's looking for a cd.. but yeah can't hurt to try |
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| 10:09.02 | ojtimsen | zebuj: you mean a way to encrypt the filesystem in an early stage of the booting process? |
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| 10:12.56 | zebuj | ojtimsen, no, thats really easy ;) I mean in my case an encryption system that decrypt for different keys different systems... One "harmless" system with no sensible data if somebody is forced to give the key and one real key, that encrypts the real system... (Or perhaps a system that does something like that) |
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| 10:14.37 | jetscreamer | dual seperate encryption nodes |
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| 10:14.54 | ojtimsen | well with cryptsetup you can handle up to eight different keys but I am not sure if you can assign to each key a dedicated system |
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| 10:15.16 | zebuj | ojtimsen, yes as far as I know exactly that is not possible... |
| 10:15.22 | josh9 | jetscreamer: do u know if the standard version of the live cd is the leanest? |
| 10:15.29 | zebuj | jetscreamer, what exactly do you man? |
| 10:15.29 | josh9 | i don't need any DE |
| 10:16.02 | Ryllez89 | Hello guys, when i try to install debian here on my laptop he ask about one firmware for my network card rltk.....fm |
| 10:16.14 | jetscreamer | josh9: the thing is you're d/l'ing a full cd image, you can choose what to install.. the cd will run standalone, also |
| 10:16.17 | Ryllez89 | anyone know what i do for debian configure my network? |
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| 10:17.19 | jetscreamer | josh9: i dunno, probably about 700megs is what might be the smallest, but like i said, i duno |
| 10:17.32 | josh9 | jetscreamer: np. thanks |
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| 10:20.38 | m4k | plz hlp me. Hw to install packages from cd |
| 10:20.58 | jetscreamer | !apt-cd |
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| 10:21.04 | jetscreamer | hmm |
| 10:21.06 | jetscreamer | !cd |
| 10:21.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cd is a Compact-Disc, something that can hold about 650 megs, or a shiny silver thing that glitters, or a good beverage coaster, or change directory. To download Debian CD images, ask me about <iso>. To buy Debian CDs, ask me about <vendors>. |
| 10:21.17 | jetscreamer | !aptcd |
| 10:21.19 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 10:21.25 | jetscreamer | !info apt-cdrom |
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| 10:21.41 | Woet | people still use cd roms? |
| 10:21.46 | ojtimsen | zebuj: just as an idea - you could have 2 USB sticks - each with the MBR and boot image for your possible systems - if you want to boot your main system you plugin the main USB - if you want to boot the second OS (on a second slice) you plu gin the second nUSB |
| 10:22.06 | jetscreamer | !test |
| 10:22.07 | dpkg | Test failed. |
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| 10:22.55 | zebuj | ojtimsen, yes of course but you can't really deny that there are other encrypted data on the disk because you hold two keys in your hand ;) |
| 10:23.09 | m4k | iam new to debian plz help me. i installed debian but there is no cd rom |
| 10:23.09 | jetscreamer | you have to use apt-cdrom to set up a cd rom as an install source.. just editing sources.list (name?) doesn't work |
| 10:23.21 | m4k | iam new to debian plz help me. i installed debian but there is no synaptic |
| 10:23.54 | m4k | iam new to debian plz help me. i installed debian but there is no synaptic |
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| 10:24.46 | jetscreamer | somebody else |
| 10:25.17 | m4k | iam new to debian plz help me. i installed debian but there is no synaptic how install synaptic |
| 10:25.33 | jetscreamer | apt-get update && apt-get install synaptic |
| 10:25.52 | mosno | m4k: or just learn to use apt and/or aptitude |
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| 10:26.01 | m4k | but i have no internet connection in debian |
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| 10:26.21 | matthieu637 | hi, i can no longer boot after adding RAM to my server. At the beginning, i had 1 G (kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64), i tried to upgrade to 1.5G => kernel panics, so i installed xen-amd64, then it works ( even if i boot on the simple amd64), finaly i tried to upgrade to 2G but nothing works ( amd64 & xen-amd64 ), how could you explain that ? and what can i do? |
| 10:26.22 | jetscreamer | put ;your full cd/dvd image in the drive |
| 10:26.37 | jetscreamer | you can probably use the .iso somehow |
| 10:27.01 | m4k | how |
| 10:27.02 | ojtimsen | matthieu637: have you run the memory tester (memtest)? |
| 10:27.06 | Ryllez89 | jwt |
| 10:27.07 | Ryllez89 | jetblack_, |
| 10:27.12 | Ryllez89 | jetscreamer, |
| 10:27.35 | Ryllez89 | my debian ask for realtek firmware in the installation menu |
| 10:27.45 | matthieu637 | ojtimsen: nop but i tried to boot a live-cd and the 2G works |
| 10:27.46 | Ryllez89 | dont configure my network automatically |
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| 10:28.32 | ojtimsen | matthieu637: you used the XEN kernel version - is this a virtual machine? |
| 10:28.40 | m4k | i have no internet connection in debian how install synaptic from cd |
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| 10:30.09 | matthieu637 | ojtimsen: no |
| 10:31.04 | Woet | m4k: if you ask a question, either read the answers you'r given or shut up |
| 10:31.06 | matthieu637 | ojtimsen: i just try to installed it because i read that kernel can be limit to 1G |
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| 10:31.23 | Woet | m4k: why doesn't your debian machine have an internet connection? |
| 10:31.24 | matthieu637 | ojtimsen: so i've tried a different kernel |
| 10:31.54 | m4k | there is no bluetooth aplet in debian |
| 10:32.03 | matthieu637 | ojtimsen: ( and it works but only with 1.5G, not with 2 ) |
| 10:32.18 | m4k | woet:there is no bluetooth aplet in debian |
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| 10:33.05 | jetscreamer | there's lots of them iirc |
| 10:34.01 | m4k | woet:there is no bluetooth aplet in debian |
| 10:34.15 | ojtimsen | matthieu637: so the you had a running 2.6.32-5-amd64 with 1 GB of memory - then you plugged in another 512MB and the 2.6.32-5-amd64 ran into panics? |
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| 10:34.37 | jetscreamer | try different ram |
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| 10:35.40 | m4k | woet: I installed debian from 650MB iso image file. But there is no synaptic and bluetooth,.... Why this |
| 10:36.28 | matthieu637 | ojtimsen: exactly, so i've just installed a xen-amd64 and it works ( always with booting the simple amd64 ) |
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| 10:36.50 | matthieu637 | ojtimsen: ( the xen-amd64 works too ) |
| 10:36.57 | ojtimsen | matthieu637: you are totally sure that the memory modules are compatible with each other? for me it sounds just like a problem with the modules themself because 2.6.32-5-amd64 does not have a limitation of 1GB for sure |
| 10:37.15 | m4k | anybody plz help me.... I installed debian from 650MB iso image file. But there is no synaptic and bluetooth,.... Why this |
| 10:37.29 | Woet | m4k: ask your question once, then wait. |
| 10:37.40 | Woet | m4k: do not repeat your question every few minutes. |
| 10:37.45 | m4k | sorry, ok.. |
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| 10:38.24 | ojtimsen | m4k: which version of debian? |
| 10:38.52 | m4k | ojtimsen: squeeze |
| 10:39.42 | ojtimsen | m4k: if you have the cdrom in the drive and run (as root) a "apt-get install synaptic" what does it say? |
| 10:40.29 | m4k | ojtimsen: this is not installation candidate |
| 10:40.53 | ojtimsen | m4k: does this box have a running internet access? |
| 10:41.32 | m4k | ojtimsen: yes |
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| 10:41.56 | matthieu637 | ojtimsen: i tried differents RAM and all works ( if i didn't put more than 1.5G ) |
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| 10:43.00 | ojtimsen | m4k: try "apt-get update ; apt-get install synaptic" - if same message appears you a have not valid entry in the sources.list file for apt |
| 10:43.26 | babilen | !tell m4k -about make sources.list |
| 10:44.08 | matthieu637 | ojtimsen: when i dont put anything on the first slot, 2 GB works ... so it's fixed thanks |
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| 10:44.37 | ojtimsen | matthieu637: the slots have all the same colour on your board? |
| 10:45.21 | matthieu637 | ojtimsen: y |
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| 10:51.46 | matthieu637 | ojtimsen: i removed xen and it always works, it was this **** first slot |
| 10:51.52 | matthieu637 | ojtimsen: thank you |
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| 10:59.28 | m4k | Ojtimsen: while installing synaptic from cd that showing E: Package 'synaptic' has no installation candidate |
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| 11:00.35 | babilen | m4k: Yeah, you need to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and add suitable repositories. See "/msg dpkg make sources.list" for details. (you can ask the bot about all the factoids in <..>) |
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| 11:01.26 | babilen | m4k: Err, make that "/msg dpkg make squeeze sources.list" |
| 11:02.26 | m4k | Wht not clear |
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| 11:05.01 | babilen | !tell m4k -about make squeeze sources.list |
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| 11:06.33 | m4k | That is default one. |
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| 11:06.45 | tommix | list |
| 11:06.52 | no_gravity | Hello! I heard that Gnome abandoned the classical Gnome style from Gnome 2 and will only support the new "childish" style of gnome shell. Is that true? What Desktop will the next Debian use? |
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| 11:07.08 | babilen | m4k: What is? You can also paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.debian.net and we can take a look. |
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| 11:07.53 | babilen | no_gravity: Wheezy will most likely release with Gnome3 (there is also nothing childish about it IMHO, but you are free to use something else if you don't like it) |
| 11:08.39 | babilen | no_gravity: Err, it *will* definitely release with Gnome3 (3.2 for now) |
| 11:09.09 | no_gravity | babilen: wheezy is the current testing version? |
| 11:09.19 | babilen | no_gravity: Yes |
| 11:09.29 | no_gravity | isnt it using gnome 2 by now? |
| 11:10.14 | babilen | !tell no_gravity -about gnome3 |
| 11:10.47 | no_gravity | ok, i will try gnome 3 for a while and see. |
| 11:10.58 | babilen | no_gravity: The page linked in that factoid summarises the Gnome3 status in Debian. Given that 3.4 will be released in March wheezy might release with it. |
| 11:11.09 | no_gravity | if its like unity, i hate it. |
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| 11:11.55 | mosno | no_gravity: i like gnome shell but don't really like unity |
| 11:12.34 | no_gravity | mosno: do you use a taskbar with gnome 3? |
| 11:12.48 | mosno | no_gravity: no |
| 11:13.00 | mosno | no_gravity: i've been meaning to add one, but i haven't got around to it |
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| 11:14.03 | babilen | no_gravity: Make sure to take a look at gnome3.2 (gnome-shell in unstable right now) and https://extensions.gnome.org/ |
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| 11:15.28 | no_gravity | yeah, will try it |
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| 11:19.42 | m4k | babilen: ok pasted |
| 11:19.52 | babilen | m4k: Where? |
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| 11:20.21 | m4k | http://paste.debian.net/150128/ |
| 11:20.34 | babilen | ta |
| 11:21.18 | m4k | wht |
| 11:22.20 | jetscreamer | blk |
| 11:22.51 | babilen | m4k: ta == "Thank you in British slang" -- Please use http://paste.debian.net/150130/ as your /etc/apt/sources.list and run "apt-get update" |
| 11:23.28 | m4k | oh. iam indian |
| 11:23.44 | babilen | I know ;) |
| 11:24.02 | m4k | :-) |
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| 11:24.52 | jetscreamer | i thought ta was more like ta ta as in cya |
| 11:25.18 | jetscreamer | not that i don't believe you, i'm just saying |
| 11:25.43 | PerfDave | "ta" = "thanks"; "tata" = "goodbye" |
| 11:26.06 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 11:26.08 | jetscreamer | ta |
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| 11:26.15 | jetscreamer | aha |
| 11:26.26 | PerfDave | Not as confusing as people using the american "pissed" = "angry" in the UK, where "pissed off" = "angry" and "pissed" = "drunk". |
| 11:26.26 | babilen | #debian-offtopic? ;) |
| 11:26.28 | m4k | ohaa |
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| 11:26.42 | archman | hello |
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| 11:26.52 | war9407 | Weird question, I have an acer aspire 75xx series latptop and locally or via ssh, it systems to 'freeze up' for 1-2 seconds after now and then, e.g. when editing a script with vim, has anyone seen this behavior with other laptops? doesnt seem to occur on dells and Ive never see it on a desktop |
| 11:26.53 | babilen | m4k: Happy? Is it working now? |
| 11:26.56 | archman | what is the recommended partition type for tmp, var and usr partitions? |
| 11:27.03 | m4k | iam sucking ice do want? |
| 11:27.41 | babilen | war9407: Sounds as if it is spinning down the hdd aggressively to save energy. (laptop-mode/hdparm should be responsible for this) |
| 11:28.21 | war9407 | babilen: thx, will go look into those |
| 11:28.38 | babilen | archman: 83 Linux |
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| 11:29.28 | archman | babilen: sorry, filesystem types.. |
| 11:29.45 | jetscreamer | jfs! :) |
| 11:31.06 | babilen | war9407: In particular take a look at /etc/laptop-mode/laptop-mode.conf (BATT_HD_POWERMGMT) -- Compare that to the description of those options in hdparm's manpage |
| 11:31.53 | war9407 | babilen: reading now |
| 11:32.08 | babilen | archman: ext3/ext4/xfs/jfs whatever you prefer (/me typically uses ext4 nowadays (not for /boot though)) |
| 11:32.19 | archman | ok |
| 11:32.45 | archman | babilen: reiserfs not recommended? |
| 11:33.11 | jetscreamer | no |
| 11:33.17 | babilen | archman: Please also not that we have a big discussion right now on debian-devel right about separate /usr partitions (among other things) -- Why do you need it? |
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| 11:33.52 | babilen | archman: reiserfs is not recommended (unmaintained, only works in jails (hehe), buggy, ..) |
| 11:34.00 | archman | i'm not sure, but i'm learning LVM so i just want to complicate my life :D |
| 11:34.45 | archman | actually, i should merge usr and root.. |
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| 11:38.57 | m4k | badilen: now showing this http://paste.debian.net/150131/ |
| 11:39.07 | m4k | babilen: now showing this http://paste.debian.net/150131/ |
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| 11:39.33 | babilen | m4k: Are you sure that your network connection is up and running? |
| 11:39.53 | m4k | no i have no connection |
| 11:40.09 | m4k | no i have no connection in debian |
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| 11:40.43 | babilen | m4k: Well, you cannot download package lists from the internet then. Didn't you say earlier that you have a working internet connection? |
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| 11:41.36 | m4k | iam chatting from ubuntu. I don't know how connect internet in debian |
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| 11:42.34 | _ramo | hi |
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| 11:42.38 | babilen | m4k: How do you connect to the internet? (ethernet, wlan, ...) |
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| 11:42.56 | jetscreamer | something about bluetooth |
| 11:43.16 | m4k | babilen: my mobile via bluetooth |
| 11:43.26 | _ramo | i'm running debian squeeze and try to create a virtual machine with virt-inst. if i run this command: sudo virt-install -r 4096 --accelerate -n SqueezeWebserver -f /var/lib/libvirt/images/webserver.img -l http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-netinst.iso -pxe i get this error: ERROR Host does not support virtualization type 'xen' |
| 11:43.29 | _ramo | am i missing something? |
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| 11:47.04 | m4k | babilen: my mobile phone , via bluetooth from ubuntu |
| 11:47.37 | babilen | m4k: I guess that network-manager can handle that (the same as in Ubuntu) -- Unfortunately nm is not on CD1 but on DVD1 and (if I remember correctly) CD5 .. |
| 11:47.49 | babilen | m4k: Do you other ways to connect to the internet? |
| 11:48.30 | m4k | no :-( |
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| 11:51.15 | m4k | babilen: no :-( |
| 11:51.24 | babilen | !tell m4k -about apt-zip |
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| 11:52.03 | m4k | babilen: ok |
| 11:53.01 | babilen | m4k: You have multiple options: 1. Use apt-zip to download the Debian packages manually on your Ubuntu box to install network-manager-gnome on Debian 2. Download DVD1 and install Debian from there 3. Don't care about computers, go out and have a nice day ;) |
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| 11:55.55 | m4k | pls tell me about opt. 1 & 2 |
| 11:55.59 | m4k | babilen: pls tell me about opt. 1 & 2 |
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| 11:56.39 | jetscreamer | !pdo |
| 11:56.39 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for Debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/ in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 11:56.51 | jetscreamer | !apt-zip |
| 11:56.51 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip |
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| 11:57.27 | jetscreamer | !tell m4k -about apt offline |
| 11:57.49 | m4k | babilen: ok |
| 11:58.48 | jetscreamer | !dvd source |
| 11:58.53 | jetscreamer | hey worth a shot |
| 11:59.18 | babilen | jetscreamer: "/msg dpkg cd contents" ? |
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| 11:59.36 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable |
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| 12:05.06 | jetscreamer | !apt-cdrom |
| 12:05.30 | jetscreamer | ] <-- dpkg has quit (Quit: buh bye!) |
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| 12:06.52 | jetscreamer | !apt-cdrom |
| 12:06.52 | dpkg | i heard apt-cdrom is used to add a new CDROM to APT's list of available sources: man apt-cdrom. See also <apt-cdrom_external>. |
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| 12:07.50 | jetscreamer | i thought it was a standalone, but it's in apt package |
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| 12:10.08 | _ramo | no ideas for my issue? |
| 12:11.00 | jetscreamer | i dunno nuthin bout virtualization |
| 12:11.12 | babilen | _ramo: Are you running a Xen kernel? |
| 12:11.34 | jetscreamer | that was my thought, it might be required, and he didn't seem to be |
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| 12:12.46 | _ramo | babilen: how can i see that? |
| 12:13.09 | _ramo | babilen: uname -r gives me 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 12:13.53 | babilen | Yeah, that is not a Xen kernel (AFAICT) |
| 12:14.09 | babilen | !tell _ramo -about xen |
| 12:14.25 | jetscreamer | it would have xen in that i believe |
| 12:14.39 | _ramo | babilen: but i don't want to run xen |
| 12:14.40 | babilen | _ramo: Are you sure that you want/need Xen? What are you trying to achieve? What is your intended usage? |
| 12:14.42 | _ramo | i want to use kvm |
| 12:14.55 | _ramo | babilen: i just want to create virtual machines with KVM |
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| 12:16.56 | babilen | _ramo: Ok - Understandable. What does "cat /proc/xen" give you? |
| 12:17.13 | _ramo | babilen: i've tried to work on this tutorial http://wiki.debian.org/KVM |
| 12:17.24 | _ramo | and therefore i wanted to use virt-install cli |
| 12:17.39 | _ramo | no such file or directory |
| 12:18.52 | babilen | _ramo: Try providing a suitable "--connect" option |
| 12:19.11 | _ramo | babilen: i tried --connect qemu:///system |
| 12:19.27 | babilen | _ramo: Not sure why virt-install gets it wrong -- I have to run now though, but you might want to ask in more specific channels. |
| 12:19.52 | _ramo | babilen: this guys referred me to debian channel |
| 12:19.53 | _ramo | :) |
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| 12:20.20 | _ramo | if i run: sudo virt-install -r 4096 --accelerate -n SqueezeWebserver -f /var/lib/libvirt/images/webserver.img -l http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-netinst.iso -pxe --connect qemu:///system i still get the same output |
| 12:20.20 | _ramo | ERROR Host does not support virtualization type 'xen' |
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| 12:22.02 | sim_ | hi, has anyone experienced iwlagn wifi problem with unstable kernel 3.1.5 ? |
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| 12:23.38 | m4k | Babilen: ok i installed apt-zip |
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| 12:28.06 | m4k | Wht i do nxt |
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| 12:28.29 | jetscreamer | man apt-zip |
| 12:30.11 | babilen | _ramo: quemu-kvm is installed and kvm + kvm_intel module loaded? |
| 12:30.29 | _ramo | babilen: let me do a lsmod |grep kvm |
| 12:30.49 | _ramo | babilen: lsmod |grep kvm kvm_intel 38146 0 kvm 214248 1 kvm_intel |
| 12:30.53 | _ramo | it seems so |
| 12:30.58 | _ramo | and qemu-kvm is installed too |
| 12:31.21 | _ramo | as described in http://wiki.debian.org/KVM babilen |
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| 12:31.41 | babilen | _ramo: I don't quite see what is wrong :-/ -- Does it work within virt-manager (GUI) ? |
| 12:31.58 | kripz | i just bought a hardware raid card, one day ill be expanding the array, do i need lvm to do this? will ext4 expand without lvm after expanding my array? |
| 12:32.25 | babilen | _ramo: btw, it should be "--pxe" not "-pxe" |
| 12:32.51 | _ramo | babilen: i just have console here |
| 12:33.15 | _ramo | oh |
| 12:33.30 | _ramo | babilen: it seems that the -pxe option was the wrong one... i get another output right now |
| 12:33.47 | babilen | _ramo: "-p" is actually "--paravirt" -- Which explains the behaviour :) |
| 12:33.55 | _ramo | arghs |
| 12:33.56 | _ramo | :( |
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| 12:34.03 | _ramo | ERROR Virtual network 'default' has not been started. this is now the message |
| 12:34.08 | project2501a | morning guys. merry xmas :) |
| 12:34.49 | babilen | _ramo: One second |
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| 12:35.23 | _ramo | babilen: sure :) i've configured "something" in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:35.29 | _ramo | so i don't know if this is right... |
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| 12:36.14 | m4k | Babilen: hw use this |
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| 12:37.47 | babilen | _ramo: I've done this ages ago ... played with virsh, but I would be happy if I could remember what exactly I've done back then :) |
| 12:38.10 | _ramo | hehe... babilen i guess that now a networking problem |
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| 12:40.39 | m4k | Wht is zip drive |
| 12:41.02 | project2501a | m4k: floppy drive. |
| 12:41.10 | project2501a | it used to hold a whooping 120mb |
| 12:42.01 | m4k | Oh. Hw to use apt-zip |
| 12:43.40 | _ramo | babilen: is this a good sign: Starting install...Creating storage file webserver.img 30 GB 00:00 Creating domain... | B 00:00 Connected to domain SqueezeWebserver Escape character is ^] |
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| 12:44.55 | m4k | Babilen: how to use apt-zip |
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| 12:48.41 | m4k | Hei plz hlp me |
| 12:49.28 | derpinson | <m4k> : yes? |
| 12:49.31 | babilen | _ramo: I would think so -- I am still trying to find how I setup the default network. I have http://paste.debian.net/150133/ - but I configured it (IIRC with virsh) -- /usr/share/doc/libvirt-bin/README.Debian somehow convinces me that all I did was "virsh net-autostart default" |
| 12:50.14 | m4k | Yes. How to use apt-zip |
| 12:50.17 | babilen | _ramo: Also see http://wiki.libvirt.org/page/Networking -- When I executed "virsh net-list --all" "default" wasn't listed (or not set to autostart) |
| 12:50.31 | _ramo | let me have a look |
| 12:50.45 | babilen | _ramo: I have not fiddled with /etc/network/interfaces btw |
| 12:50.48 | _ramo | hm |
| 12:50.58 | _ramo | babilen: do oyu have your servers at hetzner? |
| 12:51.07 | babilen | _ramo: No, I don't |
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| 12:51.25 | _ramo | how to stop a VM with virsh? virsh stop MyVMName? |
| 12:52.27 | derpinson | could someone make me a christmas gift and try to interpret that call trace (I screw up my reboot) http://imgur.com/XpZSD |
| 12:53.09 | babilen | _ramo: You are after "virsh shutdown NAME" (cf. "man virsh") |
| 12:53.22 | _ramo | okay thank's |
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| 12:56.59 | derpinson | I want to repair my reboot command (feel like such a noob) help please! (i know it is just a symlink... |
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| 12:58.15 | esprimo | ) |
| 12:58.39 | jetscreamer | init 6 |
| 12:59.08 | derpinson | no work |
| 12:59.11 | derpinson | tried |
| 12:59.16 | derpinson | http://imgur.com/XpZSD |
| 12:59.21 | jetscreamer | shutdown -r now ? |
| 12:59.29 | derpinson | no -r option |
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| 12:59.33 | derpinson | tried |
| 13:00.01 | jetscreamer | Sorry! We're busy running around with our hair on fire because Imgur is over capacity! |
| 13:00.05 | jetscreamer | or was that -R |
| 13:00.10 | jetscreamer | i can never remember |
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| 13:00.47 | derpinson | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:01.14 | jetscreamer | guess it worked |
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| 13:01.41 | philipp | where do i get software for debian that removes drm from epub formats? |
| 13:01.42 | babilen | m4k: I guess it is easiest to download DVD1 and install from there. |
| 13:03.11 | m4k | Whr i download that |
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| 13:03.47 | derpinson | back |
| 13:04.01 | derpinson | shutdown -r crashed nicely just like reboot |
| 13:04.07 | derpinson | http://imgur.com/XpZSD |
| 13:04.12 | derpinson | if imgur is less busy |
| 13:04.47 | derpinson | it crashes 75% of the time |
| 13:04.49 | babilen | m4k: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 13:05.26 | babilen | m4k: You could also just walk over to the next internet cafe and continue there using a wired connection |
| 13:05.26 | m4k | Oh that wil take lng time |
| 13:07.09 | m4k | Oh tell me how to connect my phone via bluetooth |
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| 13:12.20 | philipp | where do i get software for debian that removes drm from epub formats? |
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| 13:16.57 | derpinson | WARNING: Performing this action will probably cause your system to break! |
| 13:16.57 | derpinson | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:16.57 | derpinson | To continue, type the phrase "I am aware that this is a very bad idea": |
| 13:17.08 | derpinson | debian is a cool distro :) |
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| 13:17.35 | derpinson | sudo aptitude remove sysvinit |
| 13:17.52 | derpinson | what if I re-install it immediately?< |
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| 13:19.35 | derpinson | ah |
| 13:19.42 | derpinson | i'll try update instead |
| 13:19.43 | derpinson | :) |
| 13:20.15 | derpinson | *upgrade |
| 13:22.05 | derpinson | I feel like it is a process that makes my pc crash while initiating reboot |
| 13:22.32 | derpinson | i'll have to make a diff of ps aux when it works and when it dosent I guess |
| 13:23.04 | _ramo | i've install bridge-utils.... but somehow i don't have the command brctl |
| 13:23.05 | PerfDave | derpinson: What are you actually trying to do? |
| 13:23.12 | _ramo | does someone know why? |
| 13:23.39 | derpinson | my pc crash on "reboot" "shutdown -r now" "init 6" "halt" |
| 13:23.48 | derpinson | http://i.imgur.com/XpZSD.jpg |
| 13:23.52 | babilen | _ramo: /sbin/brctl ? |
| 13:23.54 | PerfDave | _ramo: You're running one of the Debian BSDs? |
| 13:24.15 | derpinson | like 75% of the time |
| 13:24.25 | PerfDave | derpinson: Why do you think removing init will help with this? |
| 13:24.51 | derpinson | dpkg --search reboot |
| 13:24.51 | dpkg | derpinson: bugger all, i dunno |
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| 13:24.59 | _ramo | got it.... i used sudo with the tab key... but the tab key didN#t autocomplete |
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| 13:25.48 | PerfDave | derpinson: Why did you think that removing the reboot command would be a good thing? |
| 13:25.52 | derpinson | PerfDave : it was never in my plan to leave the system without init :) |
| 13:26.23 | m4k | Babilo: any cd that include packages |
| 13:26.26 | derpinson | PerfDave : reboot is just a symlink to halt, but provided by sysvinit |
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| 13:27.24 | PerfDave | derpinson: I'm still not sure what it is you're trying to achieve, or why you think removing init will help. |
| 13:27.25 | derpinson | so halt is the real problem at the end... |
| 13:27.46 | derpinson | what I am trying to achieve : reboot |
| 13:28.24 | PerfDave | Right, so why not find out what it is that's causing that kernel panic? |
| 13:29.28 | derpinson | because I did mess with the reboot symlink this morning (and much more) |
| 13:29.42 | derpinson | but yeah, you are right, I don't think it is the issue |
| 13:29.46 | derpinson | I am juste desesperate |
| 13:29.50 | derpinson | hence my presence here |
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| 13:30.40 | derpinson | the issue is intermitent, my favorites to troubleshoot :( |
| 13:30.45 | babilen | !tell m4k -about apt-cdrom |
| 13:30.49 | babilen | !tell m4k -about cd contents |
| 13:32.05 | babilen | m4k: I would recommend to download DVD1 somewhere with fast internet connection or to bring your laptop along and complete the installation of network-manager-gnome there. (I guess you use that to connect via your mobile) |
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| 13:32.47 | babilen | m4k: But you can also download the missing CDs (most likely 2-5), add them with apt-cdrom and take it from there. You can also download DVD1, add it with apt-cdrom and install packages from there. |
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| 13:36.14 | m4k | You telling to reinstall debian, using dvd ? |
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| 13:38.57 | babilen | m4k: You can also just download the DVD, add it with apt-cdrom and install from there. Make sure to comment the online repositories from /etc/apt/sources.list and run "apt-get update". |
| 13:40.58 | babilen | m4k: Debian is installed, you just need to install a couple of additional packages which are AFAIK not on the CD you have ready. (CD1) -- So you need other ways to get these packages. The easiest way (IMHO) is to download DVD1 (or more, up to you) ... Once you have network-manager installed you can reenable the repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list and install packages directly. Or you don't use online repositories at all and install everything ... |
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| 13:41.04 | babilen | ... from the DVDs (except for security updates) |
| 13:41.22 | m4k | ie., 650 MB cd is not complete ya? |
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| 13:42.29 | impaktor` | m4k, not if you only have access to a WPA encrypted WIFI during install. I'd recommend using wired connection or a WEP encrypted connection. Then the installer will fix everything for you. |
| 13:43.41 | babilen | m4k: From what you've said I would conclude that the best approach is to download the DVD set and add it with apt-cdrom, install network-manager in order to be able to connect via your cell. |
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| 13:44.04 | m4k | Nw get it better is dwnld dvd. Thank you so much |
| 13:44.08 | babilen | m4k: Reenable the online repos, so you get newer versions from there and everything else from the DVDs |
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| 13:45.05 | m4k | Oh ! Nandi |
| 13:45.34 | m4k | Nandi babilon |
| 13:46.35 | m4k | Babilen: nandi |
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| 13:49.33 | m4k | Nw iam thinking how ubuntu 699MB cd containg many packages :-, |
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| 13:51.25 | impaktor` | My wicd (a network manager) can't scan (detect available networks) at all, even though I see it in ifconfig -a list. How can I troubble shoot this? |
| 13:54.01 | I_Died_Once | impaktor - make sure it is linked to the correct device in wicd's prefereances |
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| 13:55.53 | impaktor` | I_Died_Once: yes, it behaves just as if it's the wrong device, but I've checked, it says wlan0, which is correct. |
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| 13:56.24 | I_Died_Once | my nxt step would be to make sure the correct drivers / modules are loaded |
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| 13:56.47 | I_Died_Once | wicd is just a daemon and a front end - the wireless device her to be properly configured |
| 13:57.01 | I_Died_Once | **has to be properly.... |
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| 13:57.23 | impaktor` | I_Died_Once: but if I can see it in the ifconfig -list, then the module must be loaded, right? |
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| 13:58.30 | impaktor` | "sudo ifconfig wlan0 up" returns: "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Unknown error 132" |
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| 13:59.18 | fureddo | Anyone knows where can I download the iso image of debian etch for i386? |
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| 14:01.26 | fureddo | Ah! Just found it. |
| 14:01.34 | m4k | Babilen: ubuntu 699 MB cd contain many pkgs , bt debian included some pkgs why this |
| 14:01.57 | I_Died_Once | impaktor: is your device listed in 'ip addr' ?? |
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| 14:02.33 | m4k | ubuntu 699 MB cd contain many pkgs , bt debian included some pkgs why this |
| 14:03.01 | impaktor` | I_Died_Once: yes, but I don't understand the information there. A bunch of ff:ff:ff:ff etc, after the MAC address. |
| 14:03.15 | pascal | vive linux |
| 14:03.57 | ukl | yelps |
| 14:04.00 | ukl | 17 GB swap!? |
| 14:04.09 | ukl | is what debian-installer suggests |
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| 14:04.23 | ukl | I'm confused, is this alright? |
| 14:04.25 | lstarnes | ukl: how much ram do you have? |
| 14:04.32 | ukl | 8 gb |
| 14:04.44 | lstarnes | ukl: that makes sense then |
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| 14:05.09 | lstarnes | ukl: 8 gb of swap would probably be fine though |
| 14:05.12 | impaktor` | ukl: no I have 2 GB RAM, and 512 Mb swap |
| 14:05.18 | ukl | ok then. I was just uhm shocked. but sure, a factor of 2 scales linearly |
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| 14:05.29 | I_Died_Once | why 17 gig swap on 8 gigs of ram? |
| 14:05.53 | I_Died_Once | I have a feeling there will be a lot of new hardware questions in the hours to come |
| 14:06.03 | I_Died_Once | Merry Christmas, yo |
| 14:06.19 | impaktor` | I_Died_Once: did they not use to recommend 2xRAM for swap, in the olden days? |
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| 14:07.00 | I_Died_Once | i've never had a distro install suggest 2x my ram |
| 14:07.05 | I_Died_Once | usually 1x |
| 14:07.20 | I_Died_Once | why you say olden days? |
| 14:07.39 | I_Died_Once | nm now sure i wanna know |
| 14:07.44 | I_Died_Once | **not sure i wanna know |
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| 14:09.53 | impaktor` | Well, I don't think 2xRam is needed for modern computers. I've never used more than a few tens of MBs. |
| 14:10.03 | impaktor` | (for swap) |
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| 14:11.25 | lstarnes | impaktor`: what about for hibernation? |
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| 14:12.41 | ukl | oh, btw, happy holidays everone and a huge 'thank you' to the debian project members :) |
| 14:13.17 | sedulous | swap has to be >= RAM if you intend to use hibernation / suspend-to-disk |
| 14:13.27 | impaktor` | lstarnes: true, but my system runs on 50 Mb RAM, + Emacs, so about 100 MB, then. But hibernation has never worked on my laptop, so never used it. But you sure don't need more Swap than USED ram. |
| 14:13.39 | impaktor` | sedulous: I've heard/read the opposite. |
| 14:14.09 | sedulous | impaktor`: what if all your RAM contains incompressible data, the worst case? |
| 14:14.12 | nevyn | swap should be greater than ram to use any sane vm architecture |
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| 14:14.34 | nevyn | fortunately linux's vm architecture is decidedly insane |
| 14:14.53 | impaktor` | Yes, but if you have, say, 8 GB RAM, how much will you ever use? This is what you should have your swap set to, in units of 512 MB. |
| 14:15.22 | sedulous | impaktor`: Then you're not able to hibernate in the worst case |
| 14:16.01 | impaktor` | Yes, if you're using all 8 GB. For me it's a waste of HDD-space. |
| 14:16.01 | nevyn | 1.5xmem seems reasonable. |
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| 14:16.30 | impaktor` | nevyn: why more than the RAM? |
| 14:17.22 | project2501a | hey guys, i needed to update the control file for a package. i ar x the deb archive and tar zxvf, vi contra, tar zcvf control.tar.gz |
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| 14:17.42 | project2501a | how do i stuff the control.tar.gz back into the archive, please? |
| 14:17.54 | nevyn | impaktor`: how much hdd space do you have? |
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| 14:18.59 | impaktor` | nevyn: about 2 GB free. |
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| 14:19.07 | impaktor` | 100 GB in total. |
| 14:20.49 | mightyrox | hello! I´ve got a problem by upgrading from lenny to squeeze with libc6. I tried to upgrade the package by hand, but I ended up with this http://pastebin.com/H8tuwFCE .. can someone help me please? |
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| 14:21.57 | project2501a | n/m got it |
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| 14:22.03 | project2501a | thank-you-joey! |
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| 14:22.06 | project2501a | you rock man! |
| 14:22.15 | project2501a | linuxhotel ftw |
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| 14:23.02 | sephii | mightyrox: check your PATH env var |
| 14:23.43 | mightyrox | sephii: looks good /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin . I think |
| 14:23.47 | sephii | mightyrox: you might also want to locate ldconfig, which should be in /sbin |
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| 14:25.01 | mightyrox | hm .. ldconfig is not installed |
| 14:25.20 | sephii | mightyrox: try to apt-get install libc-bin |
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| 14:25.41 | sephii | mightyrox: it's really strange that it got removed |
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| 14:26.40 | mightyrox | then I get this .. http://pastebin.com/ThHaUZMe |
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| 14:28.07 | mightyrox | and apt-get -f install will end up in the first message on pastebin |
| 14:28.40 | mightyrox | so it looks like being in a loop of broken dependencies .. |
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| 14:29.25 | sephii | mightyrox: is your sources.list clean? also did you follow the lenny->squeeze guide? |
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| 14:31.05 | mightyrox | i am following a lenny to squeeze guide, and cleaned my sources.list to deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian squeeze main .. all other lines I commented out |
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| 14:34.21 | mightyrox | I did this first: apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get install linux-image-2.6-amd64 and then tried to apt-get install udev .. and after that the errors occoured |
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| 14:45.57 | project2501a | purely psychosomatic |
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| 14:48.43 | gomi` | i use debian without DM, and everytime i startx, i have to start ibus by myself |
| 14:49.01 | gomi` | is there any method to load it automatically |
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| 14:49.13 | nkuttler | gomi`: ~/.xsession? |
| 14:49.30 | boudiccas | I have a problem with my external usb h/d in which it seesm to be seen as twice! ls -l /media shows ...... drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Dec 22 20:10 8eef3b99-c17b-4913-ae61-d34c7fd5d459 |
| 14:49.30 | boudiccas | drwxrwxr-x 184 root boztu 12288 Dec 24 18:13 8eef3b99-c17b-4913-ae61-d34c7fd5d459_..... how do i get it restored to just one instance please? |
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| 14:50.08 | boudiccas | could it be being loaded from fstab as well as automounted? |
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| 14:50.17 | gomi` | nkuttler: actually i think no |
| 14:50.48 | gomi` | nkuttler: because what i want is not only ibus-setup |
| 14:52.02 | gomi` | nkuttler: if i write in xsession ibus-setup |
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| 14:52.19 | gomi` | nkuttler: everytime it will boot a ibus configure window |
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| 14:52.38 | boudiccas | this is on squeeze with gnome |
| 14:52.58 | gomi` | boudiccas: i don't use gnome.. |
| 14:53.07 | boudiccas | fair enough |
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| 14:59.09 | nkuttler | gomi: doh! well don't run the setup then but whatever you need |
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| 15:01.18 | boudiccas | commenting it out on fstab and rebooting had no effect |
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| 15:04.14 | boudiccas | I have a problem with my external usb h/d in which it seesm to be seen as twice! ls -l /media shows ...... drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Dec 22 20:10 8eef3b99-c17b-4913-ae61-d34c7fd5d459 ..drwxrwxr-x 184 root boztu 12288 Dec 24 18:13 8eef3b99-c17b-4913-ae61-d34c7fd5d459_..... how do i get it restored to just one instance please? this is on squeeze with gnome |
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| 15:05.29 | boudiccas | there was some message about kernel errors on the screen below my desktop wallpaper but it was so faint i couldnt read it and then it scrolled off |
| 15:06.04 | gomi` | after i startx, how can i logoff |
| 15:06.24 | gomi` | after i startx, i found exit only close my terminal |
| 15:07.37 | gomi` | and after i wrote a .xsession, i found that startx can't work, why??? |
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| 15:09.45 | mightyrox | how do I reinstall ldconfig? :) |
| 15:10.01 | project2501a | you don't |
| 15:10.04 | project2501a | wtf did you do |
| 15:10.07 | mightyrox | find / -name "ldconfig" gives me only /var/cache/ldconfig |
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| 15:10.32 | mightyrox | I tried to upgrade from lenny to squeeze :) |
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| 15:11.06 | gomi` | after i wrote a .xsession, i found that startx can't work, why??? |
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| 15:12.26 | mightyrox | can I download it from somewhere, or extract it from a downloadable package? |
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| 15:20.55 | wicket | I was trying to see if i could fix a certain bug by packaging ia32-libs from unstable, I was following the instructions in this bug report (which is somewhat related), at the very end; http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=614805 |
| 15:21.49 | wicket | fetchandbuild works fine, but dpkg-buildpackage stops with "No rule to make target `extract-/home/micket/Downloads/ia32-libs-20111225/pkgs'. Stop." |
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| 15:45.28 | Ryllez89 | anyone can help me pls |
| 15:45.41 | Ryllez89 | debian dont install my network on installation |
| 15:45.48 | Ryllez89 | realtek |
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| 15:47.14 | somiaj | Ryllez89: you probabaly need the non-free firmware package, firmware-realtek for the card. You can check dmesg to see if that is what your card is complaing about |
| 15:47.46 | Ryllez89 | where i get it? |
| 15:48.04 | boudiccas | I have a problem with my external usb h/d in which it seesm to be seen as twice! ls -l /media shows ...... drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Dec 22 20:10 8eef3b99-c17b-4913-ae61-d34c7fd5d459 ..drwxrwxr-x 184 root boztu 12288 Dec 24 18:13 8eef3b99-c17b-4913-ae61-d34c7fd5d459_..... how do i get it restored to just one instance please? this is on squeeze with gnome |
| 15:48.15 | boudiccas | there was some message about kernel errors on the screen below my desktop wallpaper but it was so faint i couldnt read it and then it scrolled off |
| 15:48.51 | somiaj | Ryllez89: depends, there are unoffical isntallers with the firmware already. You can also download the deb from packages.debian.org and just install it if you have an install just need to get your network card working so you can do the rest with apt |
| 15:49.03 | somiaj | Ryllez89: if you have apt working on another network card, you can just enable the non-free sources |
| 15:49.28 | Ryllez89 | i dont have other network card |
| 15:49.42 | Ryllez89 | i can install it from a USB media? |
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| 15:49.50 | somiaj | Ryllez89: do you have a base install done? |
| 15:50.00 | Ryllez89 | yes, i have the .ISO DVD 1 |
| 15:50.04 | Ryllez89 | 4,7gb |
| 15:50.15 | Ryllez89 | only it |
| 15:50.25 | somiaj | Ryllez89: I personally just do a base install from the iso and then copy over the firmware deb. |
| 15:50.50 | Ryllez89 | u can learn to me how i do that? |
| 15:50.54 | Ryllez89 | im new in linux |
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| 15:53.54 | Ryllez89 | somiaj, ? |
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| 16:02.13 | CrazyGir | hiya! I just did an install from USB, but the installer setup grub to the usb (which had been seen as sda), instead of the hd root/etc were all on. I've got the system booted into a live usb, but have not been able to successfully run grub-installer. what is the right way to run grub's installer on the hd? |
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| 16:04.55 | mightyrox | I am installing grub2, do I need to write the boot records to md1 and md2 as well as in sda and sdb? |
| 16:05.09 | mightyrox | oh and I have a raid 1 on sda und sdb |
| 16:05.56 | CrazyGir | the raid, if hardware, would be seen as one disk to the system, no? |
| 16:06.23 | mightyrox | raid1 is mirroring .. yes |
| 16:06.37 | CrazyGir | so would you not install grub to that one disk? |
| 16:07.57 | mightyrox | right, but I am a little bit confused, because Grub setup gives me 4 possible entries: sda, sdb, md1 and md2 .. sda und sdb have the right hdd specification names, but md1 and md2 only showing ??? .. |
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| 16:09.11 | mightyrox | and the installer gives me the possibility to install grub to all of the devices .. but I am not sure if that is the right way |
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| 16:12.10 | sKeiths | not sure where to ask this so if wrong place, let me know. i have gnome desktop, and installed k3b for cd burning because brasirao was making coasters. k3b works perfect, but i have to drop to shell to start it. do i need to install another package to add it to graphic menu? |
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| 16:12.14 | d34df00d | Hi there! |
| 16:12.34 | d34df00d | I'm fighting GCC 4.6 now on Debian, particularly, its misbehavior with respect to C++11 standard. |
| 16:12.44 | d34df00d | Is this channel an appropriate place to discuss this? :) |
| 16:14.05 | d34df00d | In short, seems like Debian's GCC has some custom patches that make GCC misbehave. At least, on other distros I've tested everything works fine. |
| 16:17.21 | wicket | d34df00d: If you could track down the patch and submit a bug report, I'm sure it would be appreciated. |
| 16:18.52 | d34df00d | wicket: if only I could :) I'm not a GCC guru, and I see the list of patches is quite big to try bisecting or smth. |
| 16:19.17 | d34df00d | wicket: the problem is that I also am unable to make a minimal reproducing example. The code that should fail if my naive assumptions are correct compiles fine. |
| 16:19.28 | d34df00d | Though that very code "in production" fails. |
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| 16:29.18 | derpinson | me again |
| 16:29.51 | derpinson | someone could explain to me why my startup script does not work? |
| 16:29.59 | derpinson | works when I run it manually |
| 16:30.13 | derpinson | insserv reports no errors |
| 16:30.36 | derpinson | (debian squeeze...) |
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| 16:32.17 | bezaban | derpinson: where are you calling it? |
| 16:32.28 | derpinson | runlevels 2 to 5 |
| 16:32.44 | wicket | d34df00d: Bisecting was what i had in mind. Although no minimal example causes problems. |
| 16:32.54 | derpinson | symlinks are created in /etc/rc2-5/ |
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| 16:35.14 | CrazyGir | hiya! I just did an install from USB, but the installer setup grub to the usb (which had been seen as sda), instead of the hd root/etc were all on. I've got the system booted into a live usb, but have not been able to successfully run grub-installer. what is the right way to run grub's installer on the hd? |
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| 16:36.22 | bezaban | derpinson: are they K or S prefixed? |
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| 16:38.21 | gr8 | I want to set my keyboard layout used by initramfs. but this page (http://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard#Set_Keyboard_Layout_in_initramfs) doesn't tell how to choose a specific layout...?? :( |
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| 16:44.03 | gr8 | "KEYMAP=y" looks like nonsense |
| 16:47.36 | ojtimsen | CrazyGir: if you put the usb back in to your machine the grub menu is shown and you can boot up the system? |
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| 16:55.45 | CrazyGir | ojtimsen: I could, yes, but I then wiped that USB with the live iso (had used the net installer before) |
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| 16:57.45 | ojtimsen | ok - it would be easier if you were able to the final system via this old mbr entry on the usb and then re-run grub-install to internal disk - during installation debian asked you where to store the grub bootloader and you selected /dev/sda ? |
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| 16:58.02 | spoljo | Do you guys keep ipv6 module loaded in your production servers and / or laptops ? |
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| 16:59.03 | abrotman | do you have a reason not to ? |
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| 17:03.09 | boudiccas | is the command to remove a directory 'rdir /media/foo' ? |
| 17:03.38 | spoljo | abrotman: i dont have a reason to have it either :S |
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| 17:09.05 | boudiccas | no, the command to remove a directory is not 'rdir' so what is it please? |
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| 17:09.56 | mhall119 | rmdir |
| 17:10.08 | boudiccas | ah, right, thanks |
| 17:10.23 | Woet | spoljo: you don't have a reason to have it enabled? |
| 17:10.30 | Woet | how about... ipv6? |
| 17:10.34 | Woet | sounds like a pretty good reason to me |
| 17:11.12 | Woet | unloading it on laptops i can understand, but production servers should have ipv6. |
| 17:11.49 | Dagger3 | what, your laptop doesn't have IPv6? |
| 17:12.12 | Woet | my laptop does, but most don't :) |
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| 17:12.26 | bamboozle | Every time I boot, my 2 GHz processor runs at 600 MHz, and I have to run `cpufreq-set -g performance` to get it back to 2 GHz. How do I make this change permanent? |
| 17:12.28 | Dagger3 | seems perfectly suited to laptops to me: it allows you to ssh into your desktops/servers and get stuff done while on other people's networks |
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| 17:12.43 | bamboozle | It's a laptop, ThinkPad X32, if that helps. |
| 17:12.53 | thewanderer1 | bamboozle, *why* do you need your CPU to run at full speed at all times, wasting battery? |
| 17:12.54 | Woet | bamboozle: why do you want it to drain your battery when it's not necessary? |
| 17:12.58 | Woet | damn you thewanderer1 |
| 17:13.04 | thewanderer1 | yw :) |
| 17:13.11 | Woet | no, damn you. |
| 17:13.36 | bamboozle | thewanderer1: Woet: It's a stay-at-home laptop with a battery that can hold very little charge. |
| 17:13.36 | dioz | bamboozle: i had that issue with a laptop one time |
| 17:13.36 | bamboozle | It's a very old laptop. |
| 17:13.36 | dioz | it would halfstep to save battery |
| 17:13.43 | dioz | and it would eat the battery very fast once it did that |
| 17:13.47 | Woet | bamboozle: okay, rephrase. why do you want to waste electricity when it's not necessary? |
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| 17:14.03 | dioz | i'd never get another dell |
| 17:14.08 | thewanderer1 | bamboozle, but your CPU clock will increase to 2GHz when system load demands it, automatically |
| 17:14.11 | bamboozle | Woet: Because running at 600 MHz causes slow-downs. |
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| 17:14.15 | Woet | no it doesn't |
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| 17:14.26 | bamboozle | Woet: Well, I can't scroll a Web page without my music stuttering. |
| 17:14.32 | bamboozle | But if I run that command, it's just fine. |
| 17:14.34 | wicket | Well, maybe it wasn't set to "ondemand" by default? |
| 17:14.39 | bamboozle | ^ |
| 17:14.39 | dioz | can't you turn the option off in the bios? |
| 17:14.47 | thewanderer1 | bamboozle, what is your current CPU governor in use? |
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| 17:15.08 | bamboozle | thewanderer1: I've already changed it to performance -- how do I check what I /was/ using? |
| 17:15.14 | Kharec | hi there |
| 17:15.18 | bamboozle | [Or what is the default] |
| 17:15.32 | wicket | Could ou check of "ondemand" is good enough for browsing? |
| 17:15.39 | thewanderer1 | bamboozle, reboot so that your temporary changes are lost, then: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 17:16.05 | bamboozle | thewanderer1: Okay. And whilst I'm at it I'll check the BIOS real quick. |
| 17:16.06 | bamboozle | BRB. |
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| 17:20.47 | bamboozle | thewanderer1: http://r0b0ts.org/cpu.png |
| 17:20.54 | bamboozle | It was ondemand after all. |
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| 17:21.03 | mightyrox | Yeah. I finally did the upgrade from lenny to squeeze. :) .. Merry christmas to all! :) |
| 17:21.11 | thewanderer1 | bamboozle, can you switch to "conservative" and see if that improves the situation? |
| 17:21.20 | bamboozle | Okay, one second. |
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| 17:22.59 | bamboozle | thewanderer1: No, still stuttering. |
| 17:23.04 | bamboozle | With conservative. |
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| 17:23.49 | thewanderer1 | bamboozle, ok, try increasing the min frequency now |
| 17:24.06 | frikinz | Does anyone know how to tweak /sys to have my fan stop (I don't care if its overheating, its for a test). I used to modify trip points values for 2.6 kernels but didn't find for 3.x how to do this. Any idea? |
| 17:24.07 | thewanderer1 | we'll find the minimum speed at which the stuttering is gone yet the temps are not too high |
| 17:24.19 | bamboozle | Alright. |
| 17:24.28 | bamboozle | Thanks for helping me out so far. :) |
| 17:25.42 | wicket | Perhaps an ondemand like thing but it doesn't scale down too quickly? |
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| 17:26.13 | bamboozle | If you're wondering, `acpi -t` says: Thermal 0: ok, 47.0 degrees C |
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| 17:26.21 | bamboozle | At a time like this, w/ 600 MHz. |
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| 17:26.33 | thewanderer1 | the cooler the better |
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| 17:26.47 | bamboozle | Would it be a bad idea to just turn up the fans manually? |
| 17:27.02 | thewanderer1 | it might work but then they'll die faster as well |
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| 17:27.07 | gr8 | pls help, http://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard#Set_Keyboard_Layout_in_initramfs doesn't make any sense to me |
| 17:27.08 | bamboozle | Yeah, that was my concern. |
| 17:27.33 | bamboozle | thewanderer1: How do I keep my conservative setting permanent? |
| 17:27.48 | thewanderer1 | bamboozle, the idea at this point is gradually increasing the scaling_min_freq till you hit a value that can be useful |
| 17:27.51 | wicket | frikinz: pwmconfig does this |
| 17:28.01 | thewanderer1 | we'll get down to saving it when you come up with a usable setting :P |
| 17:28.03 | bamboozle | Oh, okay. |
| 17:28.09 | bamboozle | How do I go about scaling it? |
| 17:28.12 | wicket | frikinz: and its a shell script, so you could take a peek there. |
| 17:28.26 | frikinz | wicket: yes, but it says no pwm capable sensors |
| 17:28.41 | thewanderer1 | bamboozle, cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies... the last value should be the smallest |
| 17:28.50 | lasers | Anybody have experience with preseed? I'm trying to set up one and I don't know where I'm going wrong with it. |
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| 17:29.16 | bamboozle | thewanderer1: '2000000 1800000 1600000 1400000 1200000 1000000 800000 600000' |
| 17:29.45 | bamboozle | So, "2 GHz, 1.8, 1.6, 1.4, 1.2, 1, 0.8 and 0.6." |
| 17:30.10 | thewanderer1 | bamboozle, yeah, so pick a value, echo value >/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq, observe... |
| 17:30.59 | wicket | I'm not sure if increasing the minimum is such a great idea. If you.. go away for 10 minutes, you definitely want it to go down to the lowest possible. I think having it drop after a minite without activity would be a nicer option. No? |
| 17:31.29 | thewanderer1 | that might work, yes, but I wouldn't have an idea about configuring the conservative governor |
| 17:32.28 | bamboozle | thewanderer1: http://r0b0ts.org/cpu-.png |
| 17:32.30 | bamboozle | :/ |
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| 17:32.59 | bamboozle | I set it to what should have been 800 MHz, now its at 2 GHz in /proc/cpuinfo. |
| 17:33.14 | thewanderer1 | bamboozle, it instantly went to the highest speed? hmm, try other values |
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| 17:33.27 | bamboozle | Okay. |
| 17:33.40 | wicket | What governor is used now? |
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| 17:34.32 | bamboozle | wicket: conservative |
| 17:34.37 | bamboozle | thewanderer1: The all make it 2 GHz |
| 17:34.41 | bamboozle | even what was the default |
| 17:34.43 | bamboozle | 600000 |
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| 17:35.55 | thewanderer1 | bamboozle, try going back to ondemand, reset the min freq to 600000, and increase the down sampling interval... |
| 17:36.05 | bamboozle | Okay. |
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| 17:36.39 | thewanderer1 | the multiplier is in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/ondemand/sampling_down_factor... you could write a value like 100 or greater |
| 17:37.02 | bamboozle | thewanderer1: It's currently at 1. |
| 17:37.15 | thewanderer1 | yeah, increase it to 100 |
| 17:37.18 | bamboozle | Okay. |
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| 17:37.47 | tosmo | hi, i'm trying to connect a usb printer, it used to work with stable. in testing cups won't see it and syslog shows the following: |
| 17:37.51 | tosmo | http://pastebin.com/TUuq5zNL |
| 17:38.00 | thewanderer1 | downscaling should now take longer, it's basically a realization of wicket's idea |
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| 17:38.15 | tosmo | i have no clue what those USBDEVFS_CONTROLE messages are about, google also didnt enlighten me |
| 17:38.28 | thewanderer1 | so it clocks up to the max and then waits a (supposedly) long time before deciding it's idle |
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| 17:38.48 | bamboozle | thewanderer1: Okay! I set the minimum to 800 MHz and it's now at that, with ondemand. |
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| 17:39.04 | bamboozle | And the stuttering is now a non-issue. |
| 17:39.09 | bamboozle | I'm surprised that made such a difference. |
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| 17:40.14 | Agiofws | are these 2 lines the same |
| 17:40.15 | Agiofws | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main |
| 17:40.15 | zaltekk | what're you configuring ondemand to do? |
| 17:40.19 | Agiofws | deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main |
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| 17:40.31 | zaltekk | Agiofws: the deb-src one lets you do apt-get source |
| 17:40.34 | bamboozle | Agiofws: one is for sources |
| 17:40.40 | bamboozle | the latter |
| 17:40.41 | bamboozle | sa zaltekk said |
| 17:40.54 | Agiofws | oh ok |
| 17:41.25 | Agiofws | so debian can download source code and compile and then install the package like gentoo does ? |
| 17:41.39 | zaltekk | Agiofws: not as automated as emerge, but just about |
| 17:41.52 | Agiofws | kk |
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| 17:41.55 | Agiofws | thank you |
| 17:42.08 | zaltekk | !dpkg tell Agiofws package recompile |
| 17:42.19 | zaltekk | err, not quite sure how to do it as a pm |
| 17:42.24 | zaltekk | !dpkg package recompile |
| 17:42.24 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <apt-get source>. |
| 17:43.03 | zaltekk | also see uupdate |
| 17:43.39 | thewanderer1 | bamboozle, so increasing the interval stopped the stuttering? what it really does is tell the kernel to downclock more rarely :P |
| 17:44.36 | bamboozle | thewanderer1: Well, I increased the interval /and/ the minimum freq. to 800 MHz instead of 600. |
| 17:44.53 | thewanderer1 | ah, ok |
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| 17:45.10 | zaltekk | i'd benefit you if you could keep the min freq the same lower value |
| 17:45.10 | thewanderer1 | shouldn't make a great difference anyway. happy scrolling :D |
| 17:45.11 | zaltekk | and get it to work |
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| 17:45.32 | zaltekk | it'll save you on idle power usage |
| 17:45.45 | bamboozle | thewanderer1: Thank you very much. Two questions: Is all of this a part of the laptop utilities I installed during Debian setup? How do I save this so I can reboot and keep it as such? |
| 17:45.55 | thewanderer1 | bamboozle, oh, saving it might be worthwhile too... just write the commands that you need to /etc/rc.local (before `exit 0`) and they'll be executed at boot |
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| 17:46.07 | bamboozle | Thanks! |
| 17:46.11 | thewanderer1 | bamboozle, and the /sys files are a part of Linux kernel, they don't have anything to do with userspace tools |
| 17:46.17 | bamboozle | Okay. |
| 17:47.04 | zaltekk | no |
| 17:47.05 | zaltekk | don't do that |
| 17:47.08 | zaltekk | put it in sysctl.conf |
| 17:47.26 | Shidash | hello, I have a thinkpad x220 with the RTL8188CE driver and I got it working with the instructions at https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x but it broke when I updated a few weeks ago |
| 17:47.42 | Shidash | er, wireless card I mean |
| 17:48.06 | bamboozle | zaltekk: I hate to sound arrogant, but why? Can you explain why it's a better idea to put it there? |
| 17:48.10 | Shidash | I am using network-manager-gnome on debian and can see the network but nothing happens when I click on them |
| 17:48.16 | Shidash | I tried other network managers to no avail |
| 17:48.20 | thewanderer1 | zaltekk, sysctl.conf is applied to /proc/sys, not /sys, I believe |
| 17:48.42 | zaltekk | was he not changing something in /proc/sys? |
| 17:48.48 | thewanderer1 | zaltekk, it was in /sys |
| 17:49.04 | zaltekk | bamboozle: because it's a file made to have things like that in it. that's like asking why opensshd has it's own init script rather than being in rc.local |
| 17:49.07 | thewanderer1 | there is some sysctl equivalent for /sys, but I can't remember right now |
| 17:49.11 | zaltekk | thewanderer1: ah |
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| 17:49.21 | zaltekk | either way, rc.local isn't the right place for configuring the cpu scheduler |
| 17:49.23 | Shidash | I really need to get this working again. My parents are going to try and force me to use windows if I cannot get it working. |
| 17:49.42 | _Mikey | :o |
| 17:49.45 | _Mikey | get it working!!! |
| 17:49.46 | bamboozle | zaltekk: So where do I put it, the place you said? |
| 17:49.48 | cahoot | Shidash, what gives if you run iwlist scan in a terminal? |
| 17:49.59 | thewanderer1 | let's find the package name... |
| 17:50.02 | zaltekk | bamboozle: yep. i think it'll work for /sys too.... |
| 17:50.19 | zaltekk | i'll have to chec kthough, not 100% sure. |
| 17:50.25 | bamboozle | Okay. |
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| 17:50.46 | Shidash | let me pastebin it, one sec |
| 17:50.49 | bamboozle | k |
| 17:51.08 | thewanderer1 | zaltekk, uh, it doesn't know which dir you meant, so not likely... anyway, the package name for /sys persistent settings is sysfsutils |
| 17:51.41 | zaltekk | right, looks like it automatically prefixes /proc/sys |
| 17:51.43 | Shidash | http://pastebin.com/4r7g66gA |
| 17:51.57 | thewanderer1 | sysfsutils does pretty much the same as rc.local entries would but perhaps is more meaningful :P |
| 17:52.30 | bamboozle | http://lql.me/s.txt |
| 17:52.38 | bamboozle | ^ So those two lines in /etc/sysctl.conf? |
| 17:52.49 | zaltekk | no |
| 17:52.54 | bamboozle | :/ |
| 17:53.00 | bamboozle | Sorry, please explain. |
| 17:53.04 | zaltekk | that's how they would look in just a script like rc.local |
| 17:53.13 | zaltekk | look at the sysfsutils package |
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| 17:53.27 | bamboozle | ok |
| 17:53.39 | zaltekk | then you'll use /etc/sysfs.conf |
| 17:53.40 | cahoot | Shidash, seems you have a working wlan device, see what dhclient wlan0 offers |
| 17:53.43 | Shidash | So I am confused because it is clearly seeing the networks but I cannot connect |
| 17:54.24 | zaltekk | his paste doesn't show if he is associated with an ap yet |
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| 17:55.10 | Shidash | hm, dhclient wlan0 does not return anything and is still running |
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| 17:55.27 | thewanderer1 | Shidash, looks like a firmware issue... dmesg | egrep "(fw|bin|firmware|ucode)" |
| 17:55.30 | zaltekk | Shidash: does iwconfig wlan0 show that you are associated? |
| 17:56.04 | Shidash | nope, it says not associated |
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| 17:56.14 | zaltekk | is it WEP, WPA, WPA2? |
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| 17:56.43 | vlyalcin | hii to all, may i ask, why when i add new user, it start to give user id from 1000 ? |
| 17:56.57 | zaltekk | vlyalcin: because that's the default. |
| 17:57.00 | zen_monkey | hi, can someone tell wich is the channel for the debian mozilla team? |
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| 17:57.05 | Shidash | thewanderer1: Ran that and got a lot of loading firmware messages, still cannot connect |
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| 17:57.17 | zaltekk | Shidash: is it WEP or WPA/WPA2? |
| 17:57.36 | vlyalcin | zaltekk what happening to the lower than 1000 ? |
| 17:57.38 | zaltekk | you aren't connected to the access point at the link level, so dhcp isn't going to be able to do anything |
| 17:58.03 | zaltekk | vlyalcin: typically reserved for daemons and other system users |
| 17:58.11 | thewanderer1 | vlyalcin, there is a Debian policy in place that defines what numbers are used for what purposes... I can't find that right now |
| 17:58.24 | thewanderer1 | it *is* documented somewhere, though :P |
| 17:58.53 | Shidash | So the networks are WPA |
| 17:58.55 | samzzaki | hi |
| 17:59.00 | zaltekk | Shidash: okay, did you configure wpa_supplicant? |
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| 17:59.21 | zaltekk | iwconfig doesn't speak WPA/WPA2 unless you're running OpenBSD |
| 17:59.34 | thewanderer1 | vlyalcin, a-ha... http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.2.2 |
| 18:00.07 | vlyalcin | thewandererl, perfect, thank you :) |
| 18:00.08 | Shidash | zaltekk: I did a while back, did not work |
| 18:00.14 | Shidash | but it worked without it configured before |
| 18:00.20 | zaltekk | that's not possible |
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| 18:00.33 | zaltekk | unless it was WEP or the security was turned off |
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| 18:01.13 | bamboozle | zaltekk: thewanderer1: Thank you both very much for the help. :) |
| 18:01.16 | Shidash | At least I never manually configured it before |
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| 18:03.21 | zaltekk | http://codepad.org/ovlAjO389 |
| 18:03.26 | zaltekk | example wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 18:03.34 | KaffeeJunky123 | 404 |
| 18:03.44 | zaltekk | http://codepad.org/ovlAjO38 |
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| 18:03.54 | zaltekk | sorry, cat on keyboard |
| 18:04.09 | zen_monkey | just need a pointer, iceweasel is stucking my cpu and want to know why... where should i ask for help? |
| 18:04.54 | thewanderer1 | zen_monkey, I've heard "apt-get install chromium-browser" fixes many, if not all, Iceweasel woes... :) |
| 18:05.48 | Shidash | okay, added one of the networks here to the config in wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 18:06.03 | zaltekk | http://codepad.org/l1rrhPUm |
| 18:06.06 | zen_monkey | thewanderer1, funny... |
| 18:06.08 | zaltekk | there is /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:06.18 | zaltekk | it'll use your wpa_supplicant.conf to setup the networks |
| 18:06.29 | zaltekk | just need the iface <nickname> inet dhcp line |
| 18:06.35 | zaltekk | for it to autoconfigure the networks |
| 18:06.35 | KaffeeJunky123 | zen_monkey: if you installed iceweasel because you want firefox, you should just get the original release from mozilla.org and install it to /opt |
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| 18:07.31 | zen_monkey | KaffeeJunky123, seriously? first time hearing that... could you explain your point? |
| 18:07.53 | Shidash | okay, added that for the network I just added |
| 18:07.58 | Shidash | Do I need to restart anything? |
| 18:08.36 | thewanderer1 | zen_monkey, seriously though, I'd look in "top" (or perhaps htop - supposed to show more detail); also, do you have Flash enabled? |
| 18:08.37 | KaffeeJunky123 | zen_monkey: iceweasel is always a few releases behind the original firefox and I personally don't like the debian branding on it. |
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| 18:08.51 | KaffeeJunky123 | the one in stable is just old |
| 18:09.15 | KaffeeJunky123 | chromium is a good suggestion too |
| 18:09.39 | technologov | hi all ! Just installed Debian 6 on new host PC, and audio doesn't work -- it detects Intel ALC889 chip |
| 18:09.58 | zen_monkey | thewanderer1, saddly yes flash is on, i use it... |
| 18:10.00 | thewanderer1 | most of the time, Iceweasel slowness is a plugin issue, not a problem with the browser itself... |
| 18:10.07 | thewanderer1 | try it without Flash |
| 18:10.11 | technologov | Intel P67 chipset |
| 18:10.20 | KaffeeJunky123 | technologov: make sure the volume's turned on |
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| 18:11.07 | Shidash | zaltekk- Did not auto configure yet. Am I missing something? |
| 18:11.08 | zen_monkey | thewanderer1, and what can you suggest if i want to watch an online video like youtube or such? |
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| 18:11.22 | zen_monkey | or... flash on websites |
| 18:11.23 | zaltekk | Shidash: if you didn't so service networking restart |
| 18:11.25 | zaltekk | or reboot |
| 18:11.31 | zaltekk | then it won't be doing anything |
| 18:12.17 | technologov | alsamixer shows max. volume |
| 18:12.25 | thewanderer1 | zen_monkey, for YouTube, use "minitube"... optimizing Flash performance is hard because all you have is a huge blob. what graphics drivers are you running? (yes, they do matter) |
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| 18:12.47 | technologov | I test audio via KDE System Settings->Multimedia |
| 18:12.48 | technologov | "test" button |
| 18:12.57 | thewanderer1 | technologov, do you have a field labelled "auto mute" in alsamixer? |
| 18:13.06 | zaltekk | just run speakertest |
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| 18:13.27 | technologov | nope |
| 18:14.02 | technologov | speaker-test runs, but no sound |
| 18:14.04 | zen_monkey | thewanderer1, ok on minitube, done it in the past... about graphics it's an intel Mobile GME965/GLE960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c) |
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| 18:14.21 | technologov | speakers work... (i can unplug them and touch iron, so it makes noise) |
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| 18:14.32 | technologov | just not with Linux |
| 18:14.42 | Shidash | zaltekk: Now I no longer see the networks |
| 18:14.53 | cahoot | technologov, run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 18:14.55 | Shidash | also, should I kill network manager or does it matter? |
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| 18:15.15 | zaltekk | Shidash: ...network manager makes it all different |
| 18:15.19 | zaltekk | it does things on its own |
| 18:15.36 | zaltekk | i'd recommend not using it unless you have users that need it's gui to switch wireless networks on a fly |
| 18:15.37 | technologov | cahoot, done |
| 18:15.41 | thewanderer1 | zen_monkey, hmm, shouldn't be causing problems really... and what CPU is that? |
| 18:15.44 | technologov | but still nothing gets out |
| 18:15.52 | Shidash | okay, killed network manager |
| 18:16.10 | cahoot | technologov, no error msg from alsa-utils or speaker-test? |
| 18:16.13 | zaltekk | make sure all instanced of dhclient, wpa_supplicant, and wpa_cli are closed |
| 18:16.19 | zaltekk | and try restarting networking again |
| 18:16.29 | technologov | speaker-test shows no error |
| 18:16.36 | technologov | as if it works |
| 18:16.37 | zen_monkey | thewanderer1, C2D T5470 1.6 Ghz |
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| 18:17.07 | Shidash1 | hm, unsure on if I just reconnected on wireless or wired |
| 18:17.09 | cahoot | technologov, cat /proc/asound/cards - more than one? which corresponds to card0? |
| 18:17.27 | thewanderer1 | zen_monkey, that's a pretty decent CPU... you're on the proprietary Flash player, right? always worth checking... |
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| 18:17.38 | Shidash | that would be wired |
| 18:17.48 | thewanderer1 | (Iceweasel tends to do arbitrary flash plugin choices when faced with a set of alternatives) |
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| 18:18.38 | zaltekk | flash player gets horible performance |
| 18:18.46 | zaltekk | don't be surprised if it often uses half your cpu |
| 18:18.56 | Shidash1 | zaltekk- dhclient automatically restarts when I kill it |
| 18:19.02 | technologov | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.02 | technologov | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.09 | Shidash1 | and I am still on wired, not wireless |
| 18:19.28 | zaltekk | did wpa-supplicant not start back? |
| 18:19.29 | cahoot | technologov, try alsa force-reload |
| 18:19.38 | zen_monkey | thewanderer1, pretty much sure of it :P |
| 18:19.49 | Shidash1 | not sure |
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| 18:21.03 | technologov | ohh thanks ! |
| 18:21.13 | technologov | this worked |
| 18:21.23 | thewanderer1 | zen_monkey, I'd bug Adobe at this point... not much you can do with a binary blob (although maybe, just maybe, Chromium would handle the IPC required to drive the plug-in differently...) :/ |
| 18:21.51 | cahoot | technologov, as a guess you've run some flash-app |
| 18:22.01 | technologov | was 'skype' |
| 18:22.30 | zaltekk | yeah, some stuff still grabs exclusive audio access |
| 18:22.43 | technologov | not sure what it had such bad effect on Debian (assuming 'skype' was to blame... not proven guilt yet) |
| 18:23.19 | cahoot | technologov, was skype turned off? |
| 18:23.45 | cahoot | as opposed to only call ended |
| 18:23.53 | technologov | y. |
| 18:24.02 | technologov | the problem happened even after reboot |
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| 18:24.17 | zen_monkey | thewanderer1, thanks for the advice, will try on minitube for a while to see if quiting that from the browser helps |
| 18:24.35 | alabd | Good day all ,can we install kernel 2.6.32-5 source with repo packages ? |
| 18:24.53 | Shidash1 | zaltekk- does not look like it restarted, wpa_cli cannot connect to it |
| 18:25.04 | zaltekk | Shidash1: ps aux | grep wpa |
| 18:25.10 | thewanderer1 | technologov, don't expect Skype to be fixed, it's owned by MS now :) |
| 18:25.19 | zen_monkey | one more thing, is it safe to switch from sun-java6-xxx to openjdk? i've read a bit last night of a problem but haven't got it clear if it wont break anything |
| 18:25.40 | technologov | THANKS-a-lot ! "alsa force-reload" solved it |
| 18:25.46 | Shidash1 | zaltekk: shidash 2645 0.0 0.0 7780 852 pts/0 S+ 13:24 0:00 grep wpa |
| 18:26.10 | zaltekk | Shidash1: okay, then it isn't running |
| 18:26.14 | technologov | well, I don't. |
| 18:26.21 | cahoot | technologov, that's really brute force |
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| 18:26.31 | zaltekk | Shidash1: check your syslog if you didn't get any errors on the cli when you restarted networking |
| 18:26.38 | zaltekk | and double check that your configs are right |
| 18:27.20 | Shidash1 | So I got this on the cli Could not connect to wpa_supplicant - re-trying |
| 18:27.37 | zaltekk | Shidash1: i mean from the sudo service networking restart |
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| 18:27.57 | Shidash1 | let me try that again with wpa_cli open |
| 18:29.00 | technologov | modern chips consist of 2 components it seems: Intel P67 HDA chip + Realtek ALC889 |
| 18:29.20 | technologov | In old days I think it was one chip: Sound Blaster 16, or am I wrong ? |
| 18:29.26 | nvz | zaltekk: that line he pasted only shows "grep wpa" running, which was the command issued |
| 18:29.28 | zaltekk | you don't need or want to use wpa_cli |
| 18:29.31 | zaltekk | it should be handled for you |
| 18:29.40 | zaltekk | nvz: i know. |
| 18:30.28 | Shidash1 | my configs should be right, let me post what I have on pastebin |
| 18:30.38 | zaltekk | check /var/log/syslog |
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| 18:31.30 | thewanderer1 | technologov, a more recent development is ac97, and most current chips are compatible with that or (increasingly more often) with Intel HDA |
| 18:31.56 | Shidash1 | zaltekk- there is a shitton of stuff there. What exactly should I look for? |
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| 18:32.25 | zaltekk | Shidash1: errors related to wpa |
| 18:32.29 | Shidash1 | there is nothing from the networking restart though |
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| 18:34.21 | Shidash1 | I see no wpa errors, only thing about wireless was when I added the interface |
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| 18:37.42 | Shidash1 | only things were |
| 18:37.43 | Shidash1 | Dec 25 12:00:04 killua dbus[1466]: [system] Activating service name='fi.w1.wpa_supplicant1' (using servicehelper) |
| 18:37.44 | Shidash1 | Dec 25 12:00:04 killua dbus[1466]: [system] Successfully activated service 'fi.w1.wpa_supplicant1' |
| 18:37.44 | Shidash1 | Dec 25 12:00:04 killua NetworkManager[1737]: <info> wpa_supplicant started |
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| 18:38.07 | Shidash1 | sorry about that |
| 18:38.21 | technologov | one more strange thing: KDE Dragon player doesn't supports WEBM format... should it ? |
| 18:38.21 | technologov | how-to play WEBM on Debian 6? |
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| 18:38.58 | Shidash1 | I believe that was from when I restarted |
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| 18:39.25 | Shidash1 | https://paste.debian.net/150152 for reference |
| 18:40.17 | zaltekk | i thought you disabled network manager? |
| 18:40.27 | Shidash1 | one interesting thing, for wlan0 I have this messag Dec 25 13:14:23 killua kernel: [ 151.705601] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
| 18:40.28 | Shidash1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.29 | Shidash1 | I did |
| 18:40.44 | Shidash1 | it automatically starts on restart and I killed it after that |
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| 18:42.06 | Shidash1 | should I disable it automatically starting and restart again? |
| 18:43.49 | Shidash1 | zaltekk: While I'm at it, is there anything I should change in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:43.53 | Shidash1 | https://paste.debian.net/150153/ |
| 18:44.13 | Shidash1 | oh, missed a line |
| 18:44.42 | Shidash1 | try https://paste.debian.net/150154/ |
| 18:45.17 | zaltekk | why is there an s at the end? |
| 18:45.25 | zaltekk | it should just be dhcp not dhcps |
| 18:45.48 | zaltekk | paste /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf too |
| 18:46.18 | Shidash1 | ah, that is not in the actual file, just forgot a newline at the end and caught the beginning of the prompt |
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| 18:48.01 | alabd | simonlnu: hello , you have told me to after installing linux-patch-grsecurity2 , we should make-kpkg and make-kpkg clean |
| 18:48.09 | technologov | one more strange thing: KDE Dragon player doesn't supports WEBM format... Can you play webm on Debian 6 ? |
| 18:48.23 | alabd | simonlnu: we done it now what should be done ? |
| 18:48.25 | Shidash1 | zaltekk: https://paste.debian.net/150155/ |
| 18:48.31 | Shidash1 | the part I added is at the end |
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| 18:49.18 | zaltekk | you should remove or comment the other network blocks |
| 18:49.19 | simonlnu | alabd: install the kernel you made; make sure that you built it with an initrd or it won't boot, if you used the debian defaults. |
| 18:49.25 | Shidash1 | okay |
| 18:49.33 | zaltekk | especially the one that says to connect to any open network |
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| 18:50.24 | Shidash1 | done |
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| 18:51.55 | alabd | simonlnu: after installing linux-patch-grsecurity2 have done this steps > 1 - aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" , after it,we have gone to kernel source and did > make-kpkg and make-kpkg clean ... |
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| 18:52.57 | simonlnu | alabd: yeh, well do '/msg dpkg kp mantra' in here |
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| 18:54.06 | Shidash1 | zaltekk: Should I do anything else or should I try restarting? |
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| 18:54.16 | zaltekk | looks okay |
| 18:54.24 | zaltekk | just disable networkmanager from starting at boot |
| 18:54.28 | Shidash1 | yup, did that |
| 18:54.29 | zaltekk | it's likely breaking everything |
| 18:54.30 | jair | hello guys, to add a user to (e.g users) group do I use usermod command? or useradd? the user already exist in the system, kiwi and pear kiwi appears in the users group but pear does not yet. |
| 18:54.32 | Shidash1 | okay |
| 18:54.38 | Shidash1 | be back in a minute |
| 18:54.51 | somiaj | jair: adduser user group works |
| 18:55.16 | zaltekk | jair: usermod -aG <group> <user> |
| 18:55.27 | jair | hmm both will work then? |
| 18:55.36 | somiaj | yes |
| 18:55.52 | jair | adduser and usermod ok let me check the manual pages then :) |
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| 18:55.56 | jair | thank you! |
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| 18:56.29 | bs0d | Hello. Is it possible to add a hard drive on a remote machine to LVM volume group? |
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| 18:57.16 | Shidash1 | hi |
| 18:57.24 | Shidash1 | zaltekk: again only works with ethernet |
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| 18:58.29 | Shidash1 | ifconfig does not show wlan0 up, put it up, still not assigned IP |
| 18:59.07 | alabd | simonlnu: would you explain it ? kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ? we have done make-kpkg clean before ... does it mean it has done wrong ? |
| 18:59.27 | Shidash1 | grepping the syslog for wpa only gives stuff from the last restart, nothing from this one |
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| 19:00.52 | somiaj | alabd: I don't see a step in there were you either a) configured the kernel or b) copied a .config file into the source directory. |
| 19:01.21 | Shidash1 | zaltekk: And I see nothing starting wpa_supplicant on this boot |
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| 19:02.41 | alabd | somiaj: your right |
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| 19:03.23 | simonlnu | alabd: no, read the msg the bot gives you |
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| 19:03.33 | alcolico | you are portugues? |
| 19:03.49 | Shidash1 | zaltekk: And this is from the syslong with what happened with wlan0 on startup this time https://paste.debian.net/150157/ and last line was when I tried to start it |
| 19:04.26 | Shidash1 | any ideas? |
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| 19:04.33 | zaltekk | network manager is still running. |
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| 19:04.40 | Shidash1 | it isn't |
| 19:04.47 | Shidash1 | at least it should not be |
| 19:04.55 | Shidash1 | I had it so it did not start on reboot |
| 19:04.55 | alabd | simonlnu: somiaj is right we have not done >either a) configured the kernel or b) copied a .config file into the source directory. |
| 19:04.59 | zaltekk | then why is it writing to your syslog? |
| 19:05.06 | zaltekk | sudo apt-get purge networkmanager |
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| 19:05.15 | Shidash1 | yeah, was about to do that |
| 19:05.24 | zaltekk | may have a hyphen |
| 19:05.39 | somiaj | alabd: also not sure if you have to apply the patch (or it applys with make-kpkg). |
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| 19:06.05 | alabd | somiaj: we apply with make-kpkg |
| 19:06.29 | alabd | simonlnu: can not get dpkg bot .. would you explain a little ? |
| 19:06.48 | simonlnu | 13:52 < simonlnu> alabd: yeh, well do '/msg dpkg kp mantra' in here |
| 19:06.53 | Shidash1 | okay, trying this again |
| 19:07.07 | alabd | simonlnu: did it , can not get how ti should be done |
| 19:07.14 | simonlnu | read the message |
| 19:07.40 | simonlnu | it's called a factoid. it's meant for info sharing |
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| 19:08.00 | simonlnu | type it like this: |
| 19:08.09 | simonlnu | /msg dpkg kp mantra |
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| 19:10.21 | Shidash | zaltekk: Still no wireless |
| 19:10.34 | alabd | ok have done > export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd kernel_image modules_image |
| 19:11.16 | Shidash | Nothing about network manager in syslog, indeed nothing about wpa or wlan0 on startup |
| 19:11.21 | Shidash | only ethernet |
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| 19:11.32 | simonlnu | alabd: yes. be sure you applied the patch, or make-kpkg applies it |
| 19:12.03 | alabd | simonlnu: make-kpkg and make-kpkg clean have been done before |
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| 19:12.30 | simonlnu | ok |
| 19:12.39 | alabd | is it required to be done again ? |
| 19:13.20 | simonlnu | well, if you're running the longer command, then just wait. be sure your grsec is there |
| 19:13.48 | simonlnu | the man page has more info than i can give you on irc |
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| 19:14.20 | inkjetunit | hello. for how long is a major release supported? |
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| 19:15.21 | alabd | simonlnu: with installing grsec package what will happen ? |
| 19:16.06 | Shidash | zaltekk: wlan0 also was not started automatically, so I started it and got this message again Dec 25 14:14:44 killua kernel: [ 484.887118] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
| 19:16.23 | Shidash | I am guessing that is an issue? |
| 19:16.29 | simonlnu | alabd: it installs the patch. you apply the patch according to the instructions given in the readme or other docs that come with the package. |
| 19:17.07 | simonlnu | alabd: package contents can be viewed with dpkg -L packagename (if installed) |
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| 19:17.58 | alabd | simonlnu: so how you have asked me run export ... did we patch grsec , was it mentioned in my steps ? |
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| 19:19.53 | aguitel | i have debian squeeze +ubuntu 10.04 in separate partition ,why glxgears are faster in ubuntu ? |
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| 19:20.17 | simonlnu | alabd: i don't know, you'll need to figure that out from the output in your terminal |
| 19:20.28 | thewanderer1 | alabd, you'll probably have more luck with upstream 2.6.32 and upstream grsec |
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| 19:20.43 | alabd | simonlnu: it mean it will patch grsec with running export and make-kpkg and make-kpkg clean ? |
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| 19:22.00 | Shidash | zaltekk: So it seems to me that wlan0 is having issues and wpa_supplicant still is not starting on boot |
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| 19:22.13 | technologov | it is sad that grsec / PAX ppl don't even try to integrate some of those pieces into upstream kernel |
| 19:23.37 | thewanderer1 | technologov, their changes were said to be quite intrusive. you wouldn't believe how many things PaX by itself breaks (GRUB, ioquake3, X.org binary drivers)... if you add grsec2 to that (Chromium, lotsa daemons), you'll understand :/ |
| 19:23.51 | Shidash | how do I start wpa_supplicant manually? Maybe that will help? |
| 19:24.15 | alabd | simonlnu: see we have done 1-installing grsec package 2 - getting 2.6.32 kernel source 3 - make-kpkg 4 - make-kpkg clean 5 -export ... is it ok ? |
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| 19:24.43 | Shidash | and what does that wlan0: link is not ready message mean? |
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| 19:25.50 | technologov | thewanderer1, I believe you. I love virtualization (VirtualBox) - and it is known to break on PAX/grsec kernels |
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| 19:26.22 | thewanderer1 | technologov, yeah, same on KVM hosts (guests work wonderfully with grsec now, though!) |
| 19:26.32 | alabd | simonlnu: are all steps done well ? if yes where to check if grsec is patched well ? |
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| 19:28.20 | technologov | thewanderer1, I dunno if it's possible to make OSS compatible with it... |
| 19:28.30 | webad_13 | what was it four/three letter command to get good system info while in command line - the program that is usually installed... I know it is vague, but I keep forgeting it and it is useful |
| 19:29.03 | Dagger3 | top? |
| 19:29.12 | technologov | 'lspci' |
| 19:29.22 | thewanderer1 | lshw |
| 19:29.28 | webad_13 | Dagger3: no, this is to give info aboout processes |
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| 19:30.00 | webad_13 | thewanderer1: nope, this command that i am looking for would summarize by sections |
| 19:30.14 | webad_13 | like cpu, memory etc.... |
| 19:30.28 | webad_13 | it is a basi one - I'll try to google it |
| 19:30.38 | Dagger3 | which could be argued to be system info, but ok. the more useful such tools I know, the better |
| 19:30.50 | thewanderer1 | huh... there's a set of scripts called smxi, inxi, wtfxi... |
| 19:30.58 | webad_13 | inixi |
| 19:31.00 | webad_13 | is the one |
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| 19:31.01 | webad_13 | thank you |
| 19:31.10 | webad_13 | inxi |
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| 19:32.32 | Dagger3 | mm, the only inxi I can see is the one in quassel |
| 19:32.46 | aguitel | i have debian squeeze +ubuntu 10.04 in separate partition ,why glxgears are faster in ubuntu ? |
| 19:33.17 | thewanderer1 | aguitel, different drivers. |
| 19:33.23 | alabd | any opinion ? we have done these steps to add grsec to debian kernel , are all done correct ? how to be sure ? > we have done 1-installing grsec package 2 - getting 2.6.32 kernel source 3 - make-kpkg 4 - make-kpkg clean 5 -export ... |
| 19:33.52 | thewanderer1 | alabd, at which point exactly did you apply the patch? O.o |
| 19:33.59 | josh9 | just installed debian (standard, live cd) and can't do anything since i am not in the sudoers file. how to add myself? i try 'sudo su' so i can run as super user but again, i can't... |
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| 19:34.15 | josh9 | chicken and the egg problem |
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| 19:34.38 | aguitel | thewanderer1, this is my card:VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) |
| 19:34.39 | josh9 | and i also can't 'sudo visudo' from the same reason |
| 19:34.41 | thewanderer1 | josh9, 'su' and type the root password... |
| 19:34.47 | josh9 | thewanderer1: thanks |
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| 19:35.02 | Dagger3 | josh9: just run `su` (or log in as root directly)... also, there's `sudo -i` for getting a root shell, rather than going via su |
| 19:35.03 | alabd | thewanderer1: does not make-kpkg apply the patch ? |
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| 19:35.25 | thewanderer1 | alabd, did you tell it to do that? if it did, you'll normally end up with a kernel whose uname says *-grsec |
| 19:35.38 | josh9 | thewanderer1: Dagger3 is it common practice to add my user to the sudoers file? |
| 19:35.49 | aguitel | thewanderer1, how i know what driver are in use ? |
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| 19:36.03 | thewanderer1 | josh9, just use the sudo group |
| 19:36.12 | alabd | thewanderer1: which part and how should be told ? |
| 19:36.13 | Dagger3 | that's what I do... although, I think there's a "sudoers" group nowadays that's already in the file |
| 19:36.17 | josh9 | thewanderer1: can u guide me? |
| 19:36.22 | Dagger3 | ... I'll just leave this to thewanderer1 |
| 19:36.53 | thewanderer1 | aguitel, probably read /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 19:37.12 | thewanderer1 | alabd, pasting the exact listing of all commands you did would be helpful |
| 19:37.36 | thewanderer1 | josh9, adduser $username sudo and your user can now issue sudo commands :P |
| 19:37.36 | alabd | thewanderer1: mean how to tell it to apply patch ? and when ? methink we didn't apply patch |
| 19:38.07 | thewanderer1 | alabd, you're supposed to patch -p1 <grsec* (that's the way that works with the upstream releases) |
| 19:38.30 | alabd | thewanderer1: yes but how to apply it to debian kernel source ? |
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| 19:38.42 | josh9 | thewanderer1: sweet! |
| 19:38.50 | thewanderer1 | alabd, that I don't know - the Debian kernel sources have always been a mystery to me :P |
| 19:39.05 | thewanderer1 | (the upstream sources are a lot simpler to work with) |
| 19:39.31 | alabd | simonlnu: do you know how to apply it to debian kernel source ? |
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| 19:41.05 | thewanderer1 | alabd, is there a particular reason why you're using the debianised kernel source? |
| 19:41.39 | alabd | thewanderer1: yes because it is more secure ? |
| 19:41.57 | thewanderer1 | alabd, than the one from kernel.org? |
| 19:42.09 | alabd | ohum |
| 19:42.50 | thewanderer1 | I mean, why not use the kernel downloaded from kernel.org and the patch from grsecurity.net? they're more recent anyway, especially the grsec patch |
| 19:43.03 | thewanderer1 | (I believe the grsec version in Debian lags greatly behind) |
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| 19:46.56 | alabd | thewanderer1: kernel.org kernel may have buges that are fixed in debian kernel |
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| 19:49.26 | josh9 | fresh debian install. i want to make sure my i have all i need in my sources file. currently i have 6 entries: squeeze main src for main, updates main, src for updates main, squeeze-updates main and src for squeeze-updates main. i know i need to add contrib non-free and also backports. how do i do that? add 'contrib non-free' at the end of each of my entries? |
| 19:49.57 | nvz | I can't get VLC's main window below 427px wide no matter what I do.. anyone know enough about GTK app development to know how hard it would be to get around this constraint? |
| 19:50.22 | nvz | even when its in minimalistic view only showing video with no widgets at all it still cant be any skinnier than that |
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| 19:51.28 | nvz | I am at the point of considering recompiling this just to get around this.. heh |
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| 19:52.41 | stephan48 | hey |
| 19:53.05 | nvz | ah nm.. finally figured out how to get the video window seperate.. heh |
| 19:53.13 | nvz | stephan48: hi |
| 19:53.14 | stephan48 | i need tomcat7 on a debian squeeze system, what would be the cleanest way to only pull t7 from wheezy?(to avoid fetching it seperately) |
| 19:53.57 | nvz | stephan48: follow standard SSB protocol, check backports, then if that doesnt work backport it |
| 19:54.04 | nvz | !tell stephan48 about ssb |
| 19:54.09 | technologov | people - I can't get WebM running on Debian 6. Any ideas ? |
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| 19:54.21 | technologov | tried KDE Dragon and KDE Kaffeine players |
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| 19:54.58 | stephan48 | nvz: oh ok |
| 19:55.08 | boudiccas | technologov; tried VLC? |
| 19:55.10 | stephan48 | !tell stephan48 deb-src sid |
| 19:55.23 | stephan48 | !tell stephan48 deb-srcsid |
| 19:55.25 | nvz | technologov: not familiar with KDE but I'm willing to bet those players both use the same backend so there is no difference in support or playback of specific codecs |
| 19:55.27 | stephan48 | !tell stephan48 deb-src-sid |
| 19:55.42 | stephan48 | got it |
| 19:55.44 | boudiccas | technologov; or mplayer? |
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| 20:07.33 | lampetto | hi guys, which is the language of te.wikipedia.org ? |
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| 20:12.49 | nvz | lampetto: google could answer that as could wikipedia I'm sure.. its not on topic here |
| 20:13.41 | bamboozle | http://lql.me/dwm.txt | The commented-out line works just fine in a terminal emulator window, but it causes an error if I use it in .xinitrc (claims that the '(' was unexpected) -- how can I fix this? |
| 20:14.09 | lampetto | nvz, just tried on google :( anyway you are right |
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| 20:15.50 | lampetto | but I can ask: what is the package to install to view the characters in te.wiki pages? :-P |
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| 20:17.06 | nvz | lampetto: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telugu_language |
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| 20:18.48 | nvz | lampetto: ttf-telugu-fonts |
| 20:19.08 | lampetto | thanks a lot! |
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| 20:20.00 | CrazyGir | ojtimsen: apologies for missing your msg earlier, I was pulled away by my toddler |
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| 20:20.49 | CrazyGir | ojtimsen: unfortunately, I don't have the old mbr on the USB anymore, this has been wiped and loaded with the debian live cd |
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| 20:21.24 | CrazyGir | but I should be able to run grub install from the live usb no? |
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| 20:21.52 | ojtimsen | yes but you need to chroot to the / of the internal harddisk before |
| 20:21.58 | nvz | CrazyGir: you could chroot rescue from any linux bootable media |
| 20:22.07 | CrazyGir | when trying the rescue shells via the live usb gui installer, I was unable to run grub-installer |
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| 20:22.32 | CrazyGir | ok, so once chrooted, I should run grub-install? or which specifically |
| 20:22.56 | nvz | CrazyGir: yes grub-install should read the local config files and reinstall grub |
| 20:23.28 | ojtimsen | ACK |
| 20:23.28 | CrazyGir | sweet |
| 20:23.39 | CrazyGir | and grub-install should be included in the grub package? |
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| 20:23.50 | CrazyGir | ojtimsen: O.o |
| 20:23.56 | ojtimsen | grub will be found in the chroot environment |
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| 20:24.18 | CrazyGir | what was the ACK for? |
| 20:24.50 | ojtimsen | acknowledged |
| 20:24.56 | CrazyGir | :) |
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| 20:25.08 | CrazyGir | alright, I'll give this a shot :) |
| 20:25.13 | ojtimsen | in TCP filters more often seen :) |
| 20:25.33 | nvz | SYN SYN SYN SYN SYN SYN SYN SYN! heh... a SYN FLOOD! |
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| 20:25.40 | CrazyGir | indeed |
| 20:26.13 | ojtimsen | :) nvz |
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| 20:27.21 | CrazyGir | when in the live cd rescue installer, chrooted shell (pwd shows / when /dev/vg/root), grub-install is not found |
| 20:27.48 | PerfDave | CrazyGir: Presumably you don't have grub-install in your chrooted system? |
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| 20:28.32 | nvz | sounds to me like you didn't chroot properly |
| 20:28.48 | ojtimsen | you hav mounted the disk before the chroot I assume? |
| 20:28.49 | nvz | gotta mount the drive first, then chroot to mount point |
| 20:29.57 | PerfDave | Or /usr on a seperate partition? |
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| 20:30.08 | boudiccas | !dpkg ask about debian |
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| 20:30.46 | boudiccas | how do i call the dpkg bot please so that i cna access what its told me before? |
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| 20:30.59 | boudiccas | !dpkg |
| 20:30.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 20:31.02 | CrazyGir | nvz: I didn't do the chroot, the installer did |
| 20:31.02 | PerfDave | boudiccas: /query dpkg |
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| 20:31.05 | nvz | boudiccas: /msg dpkg |
| 20:31.13 | CrazyGir | nvz: the rescue env rather |
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| 20:31.25 | CrazyGir | ojtimsen: yea, the various partitions are mounted |
| 20:31.33 | CrazyGir | I'll double check /usr |
| 20:31.33 | nvz | I've no idea what you're talking about |
| 20:31.46 | CrazyGir | nvz: you haven't used the debian rescue live env? |
| 20:31.54 | CrazyGir | it's actually quite sweet |
| 20:32.09 | CrazyGir | it basically boots into an installer, but doesn't go that route |
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| 20:32.33 | CrazyGir | but you can either choose to be chrooted or just have the sys mounted off the live env |
| 20:32.34 | nvz | shurgs |
| 20:32.56 | nvz | I'd choose to just boot the damn thing, then mount and chroot myself |
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| 20:33.15 | ojtimsen | yes thats mostly more straight forward |
| 20:33.50 | boudiccas | hmm, that didnt tell me what i'm looking for. i'm looking for a programme to convert a dvd to avi please so that i cna watch my christmas dvd from my son, as it automatically loads into mplayer which is too dark and i cna find a brightness adjustment in it |
| 20:33.55 | boudiccas | cant |
| 20:33.56 | ojtimsen | CrazyGir: you have only one partition for / and a swap on the disk or have you separated /usr and /tmp for example from / ? |
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| 20:34.28 | ojtimsen | boudiccas: you also want to cut some special scenes or just convert? |
| 20:34.37 | boudiccas | ojtimsen; convert |
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| 20:35.06 | ojtimsen | what kind of original file extension does you video camera create? |
| 20:35.27 | boudiccas | its not a video camera output, its a shop bought dvd |
| 20:35.57 | ojtimsen | ok, so you possibly have to care about the copy protection do'nt you? |
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| 20:36.16 | nvz | boudiccas: vlc can fairly easily stream/convert to a file from a DVD |
| 20:36.18 | boudiccas | ojtimsen; i have no idea what protection it has, if any |
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| 20:36.42 | boudiccas | nvz; can it? i never knew that! |
| 20:37.29 | nvz | boudiccas: heh, well yeah.. its VLC.. it can do a lot really.. can be controlled over http, telnet, stream remotely..etc |
| 20:38.00 | nvz | I'm currently watching NCIS with the wall output so I can see my IRC |
| 20:38.13 | PerfDave | boudiccas: If you just want to watch it, why not just use VLC to play the DVD instead of converting it? |
| 20:38.19 | nvz | splits the image into as many windows as you like |
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| 20:39.09 | Agiofws | hello |
| 20:39.12 | boudiccas | PerfDave; it opens automatically into mplayer which is too dark and i cant adjust the brightness, i tried in vlc but it was too pixellated and unwatchable |
| 20:39.16 | nvz | notes vlc also has adjustments for brightness/contrast/gamma |
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| 20:39.28 | sc30317 | is it possible to install xfce4.8 in debian squeeze 6.0.3? |
| 20:39.32 | PerfDave | boudiccas: "opens automatically into mplayer" sounds like somethign you could fix. |
| 20:39.50 | Agiofws | if i want to install ffmpeg latest svn in debian do i have to remove ffmpeg installed via the package manager ? |
| 20:39.52 | PerfDave | sc30317: Almost certainly. |
| 20:40.02 | CrazyGir | ojtimsen: separate /var /usr /tmp /home / /boot |
| 20:40.09 | sc30317 | PerfDave, 4.6.2 is the one in the repos |
| 20:41.25 | PerfDave | sc30317: Yeah, 4.8 is in testing/unstable, you'll need to backport. |
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| 20:41.37 | sc30317 | PerfDave, is there a guide for backporting somewhere? |
| 20:41.45 | josh9 | debian squeeze doesn't support my radeon hardware so I need to upgrade my kernel to 2.6.38. I installed xorg and xserver-xorg-video-radeon. I reboot but still have 2.6.32. any idea what am I doing wrong? |
| 20:41.46 | nvz | !tell sc30317 about ssb |
| 20:41.59 | Agiofws | didn't that question make any sense ? |
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| 20:42.05 | josh9 | (lenovo x120e) |
| 20:42.07 | sc30317 | nvz? |
| 20:42.19 | PerfDave | !tell sc30317 about backport |
| 20:42.29 | Agiofws | if i want to install ffmpeg latest svn in debian do i have to remove ffmpeg installed via the package manager ? |
| 20:42.45 | PerfDave | Agiofws: No, but why do you want to install the svn version? |
| 20:43.06 | Agiofws | because blender is nagging about the outdated version |
| 20:43.12 | Agiofws | while compiling |
| 20:43.20 | josh9 | how to upgrade my kernel to 2.6.38? |
| 20:43.40 | PerfDave | Agiofws: Why are you compiling Blender? :) |
| 20:43.44 | Agiofws | PerfDave, so then my system will have 2 ffmpegs installed |
| 20:44.09 | Agiofws | because i like having the latest 3d tools and features out there |
| 20:44.35 | Agiofws | so then my system will have 2 ffmpegs installed |
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| 20:44.55 | PerfDave | Agiofws: If you're compiling stuff from source, make sure you install it in /usr/local out of the package manager's way |
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| 20:45.03 | Agiofws | ok |
| 20:45.13 | PerfDave | Agiofws: A better option is to use backported Debian packages, or just deal with using more stable, better tested software. |
| 20:45.18 | Agiofws | i think there is where it installs stuff |
| 20:45.25 | PerfDave | "latest" also means "buggiest". |
| 20:45.44 | Agiofws | its fine blender is a fine s/w |
| 20:45.54 | Agiofws | i also like feeling l33t :P |
| 20:45.56 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions blender |
| 20:45.56 | PerfDave | Yep, the version packaged for Debian is lovely. |
| 20:45.57 | judd | Package: blender on i386 -- lenny: 2.46+dfsg-6; squeeze: 2.49.2~dfsg-2+b2; squeeze-multimedia: 2.49.2~dfsg-2.1; sid: 2.59-1; wheezy: 2.59-1 |
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| 20:46.21 | Agiofws | ya 2.49 is ancient |
| 20:46.44 | nvz | blender scares me.. the interface looks like what I'd imagine the cockpit of an alien space craft would look like |
| 20:46.47 | Agiofws | it has come a log way since 2.61 |
| 20:47.12 | Agiofws | not that there is not an online bot compiler where you can just download the bins each time |
| 20:47.44 | josh9 | to get the recent kernel, is this the package i need? linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae |
| 20:47.48 | sc30317 | PerfDave, so I added the backport repo, so I would just install xfce4.8 like so: |
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| 20:47.59 | sc30317 | sudo apt-get -t backports-install xfce |
| 20:48.00 | sc30317 | ? |
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| 20:48.36 | nvz | it'd be something more like -t squeeze-backports install |
| 20:48.40 | PerfDave | josh9: I why do you want a pae pernel? |
| 20:48.53 | jhutchins_lt | Agiofws: Not gonna get a lot of sympathy for the "gotta have this week's new version" attitude in #debian. |
| 20:49.20 | boudiccas | nvz; vlc is my program of choice for watching films with, precisely because you can adjust the brightness so easily |
| 20:49.25 | LuHe | i have a quick question about GNU makefiles: why can't i use pipes? this script fails: http://paste.kde.org/177656/ (the VERSION variable has the wrong value: '.*/\1/g") ) |
| 20:49.39 | Agiofws | jhutchins, take it easy its the norm here to compile blender :) |
| 20:49.43 | josh9 | PerfDave: i don't..all i need is 2.6.38 since my radeon hardware is not supported by 2.6.32. |
| 20:49.43 | sc30317 | nvz, yea thats what I meant sorry. I tried that and it said there was no xfce available |
| 20:49.51 | sc30317 | is there a apt-cache search for backports? |
| 20:49.55 | Agiofws | just need a new version of svn :) |
| 20:49.57 | josh9 | PerfDave: and i saw that there is already 2.6.39 out there.. |
| 20:50.04 | jhutchins_lt | LuHe: It's really easy in Mplayer too. |
| 20:50.08 | PerfDave | josh9: "out there"? |
| 20:50.12 | nvz | sc30317: visit backports.org and search, if its not there then you have to backport it |
| 20:50.15 | josh9 | PerfDave: google.. |
| 20:50.31 | PerfDave | josh9: Really don't try installing random packages you find on Google, it's not going to work :) |
| 20:50.40 | LuHe | jhutchins_lt: this comment was really directed at me? |
| 20:50.41 | jhutchins_lt | josh9: .38 wasn't a stable release in Debian. |
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| 20:50.59 | josh9 | PerfDave: what package name should i look for? i got lenovo x120e |
| 20:51.01 | jhutchins_lt | Um, no, boudiccas |
| 20:51.04 | PerfDave | josh9: Installing backported kernel packages is the same as installing other backported packages, so look at the backport details other peopel are using. |
| 20:51.05 | CrazyGir | ojtimsen / nvz does /dev need to be mounted in the chroot as well? |
| 20:51.07 | boudiccas | jhutchins; i take it that was meant for me? :) mplayer plays it but its too dark and i cant find how to adjust the brightness |
| 20:51.10 | Agiofws | its a 3d package ... its very active so you want to see the new 3d tools or physics or cloth sims or smoke sims or liquid sims or model tools or video editing tools or whate vere there is ... |
| 20:51.13 | PerfDave | josh9: One which matches the current kernel you're using, I expect :) |
| 20:51.45 | PerfDave | Agiofws: You might be better off just backporting the package from Debian unstable, since it'll already have distro-specific patches applied |
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| 20:51.47 | nkuttler | boudiccas: not sure how typing 4 or 5 is not easy.. |
| 20:51.51 | josh9 | PerfDave: can you give me some clues about finding the right kernel for me? |
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| 20:52.02 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 20:52.04 | PerfDave | josh9: I thought I already had done. |
| 20:52.04 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.6-1); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.5-1); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 20:52.12 | boudiccas | jhutchins; its not easy because until now i didnt know about it! |
| 20:52.16 | nvz | CrazyGir: shouldn't but could easily be done with mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev |
| 20:52.23 | jhutchins_lt | josh9: What relese and kernel are you running? |
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| 20:53.36 | CrazyGir | nods |
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| 20:53.51 | josh9 | jhutchins_lt: i just installed xorg and xserver-xorg-video-radeon to get support for my hardware. but my kernel is 2.6.32. i remember it should be 2.6.38. |
| 20:53.57 | fly_80 | hello and merry Christmas |
| 20:54.25 | josh9 | jhutchins_lt: it's debian sqeeze, standard edition from live cd |
| 20:55.23 | jhutchins_lt | josh9: I would suggest reading the instructions on the backports page, enabling backports, and installing the backported .39 kernel. |
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| 20:55.41 | josh9 | jhutchins_lt: i already addded the line to sources.list |
| 20:55.59 | josh9 | jhutchins_lt: all i need is the name of the package you mentioned. |
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| 20:56.07 | boudiccas | jhutchins; neither 4 or 5 work in adjusting the brightness, i'm running mplayer 2.30.2 |
| 20:56.07 | Agiofws | i never new what backport meant and how it works and what it is |
| 20:56.10 | PerfDave | josh9: What kernel package do you currently have installed? |
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| 20:56.34 | jhutchins_lt | josh9: I think you can get it with aptitude install -t lenny-backports linux-image |
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| 20:57.03 | josh9 | PerfDave: 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 20:57.28 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: 3&4 are brightness. odd is up, even is down. |
| 20:58.20 | josh9 | jhutchins_lt: ok, i'll try installing it with -t lenny-backports linux-image. |
| 20:59.10 | fly_80 | i'm using gnome3, installed the network-manager-gnome package, but in the wireless tab I get Firmware missing error |
| 21:00.00 | josh9 | jhutchins_lt: just making sure - the line i added to sources is: deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main |
| 21:00.08 | fly_80 | i tried to install the package firmware-brcm80211 |
| 21:00.42 | boudiccas | jhutchins; sorry, neither has any effect on the brightness here. i tried with the numeric keypad and also the alpha-numeric keys too, no differnce |
| 21:00.53 | fly_80 | but it seems to not work |
| 21:00.58 | jhutchins_lt | josh9: Just follow the instructions on the bdo webpage. |
| 21:01.21 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: It's supposed to be the row above the letters. |
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| 21:02.18 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: It could be more subtle than you expect or it could depend on the video. |
| 21:02.28 | boudiccas | jhutchins; i've tried that, and every number on the row and theres no differnce |
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| 21:02.51 | abrotman | judd: info xbacklight --release squeeze |
| 21:02.52 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: On the other hand, if VLC works well for you just use it. |
| 21:02.52 | judd | Package xbacklight (x11, optional) in squeeze/i386: simple utility to set the backlight level. Version: 1.1.1-1; Size: 8.7k; Installed: 60k |
| 21:02.57 | kripz | why is lvm needed when partitions can be resized and arrays can be expanded by the controller? |
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| 21:03.03 | boudiccas | jhutchins; possibly the video then, its national lampoons christmas vacation |
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| 21:03.26 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: Commercial DVD? |
| 21:04.35 | boudiccas | jhutchins; yes |
| 21:04.46 | jhutchins_lt | kripz: Well, lvm allows you to do things like span a partition across volumes. (Which is a Very Bad Idea.) |
| 21:05.25 | abrotman | yay .. more jhutchins_lt FUD |
| 21:05.36 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: I can check on a couple of systems later today if you remind me. Headed out to the stable now to wish the horses Glad Yule! |
| 21:05.43 | abrotman | spanning volumues is fine .. stop comparing it to your NT4 days |
| 21:06.05 | kripz | so should i just ditch lvm? my controller has online expansion and im using ext4 which can be safely resized. |
| 21:06.11 | abrotman | kripz: also the ability to take snapshots of your LVM volume |
| 21:06.40 | josh9 | jhutchins_lt: ok. i followed the instructions. i added contrib non-free to my line. now i notice you wrote aptitude install -t lenny-backports linux image, and the instructions say: squeeze-backports. should i use their version or yours? |
| 21:06.45 | boudiccas | jhutchins; it could be the dodgy dvd drive which is going to be replaced next year, just as soon as amazon deliver it. it cant load blank dvd so its useless |
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| 21:07.06 | thewanderer1 | kripz, perhaps you should be using mdraid then instead of LVM... what if you decide to change the controller? you might not want vendor lock-in on your disks... |
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| 21:09.10 | josh9 | jhutchins_lt: i tried their version and got: 'no packages will be installed' |
| 21:09.29 | jhutchins | I wonder why Apple doesn't use LVM? |
| 21:09.59 | josh9 | jhutchins_lt: i also tried your version - aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image and got the same result. |
| 21:10.40 | abrotman | jhutchins: perhaps it's not compatible with their closed system ? |
| 21:10.48 | abrotman | not sure why we give a shit about apple |
| 21:11.08 | nvz | I don't, and clearly you don't.. so I'd say "we don't" |
| 21:11.18 | ojtimsen | modern filesystems are also capable of LVM options ZFS what use the current apple OS? |
| 21:11.53 | abrotman | hfs? |
| 21:12.37 | ojtimsen | i have no apple (not eat; but bootable) in the house |
| 21:12.45 | PerfDave | LVM allows a lot of online partition resizing. No point having a filesystem that can be resized online if the underlyng partition cant'. |
| 21:14.03 | josh9 | i try to upgrade my kernel from backports. i added the squeeze-backports line to source.list and run 'aptitude update'. when i run 'aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image' i get: 'no packages will be installed'. any ideas? |
| 21:14.12 | ojtimsen | http://www.unixconsult.org/zfs_vs_lvm.html |
| 21:14.33 | abrotman | josh9: wrong package name |
| 21:14.50 | PerfDave | josh9: Would help if you pasted the full output into a pastebin along with a copy of your sources.list |
| 21:15.07 | ojtimsen | I like LVM due to the snapshot function - resizing is not that often required in my set ups |
| 21:15.40 | PerfDave | http://www.neatorama.com/2011/12/24/portal-christmas-tree/ is pretty awesome |
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| 21:16.29 | stephan48 | nvz: thanks it helped, i got t7 now running and working |
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| 21:16.38 | josh9 | PerfDave: http://pastebin.com/HF7s6uSB |
| 21:16.40 | Agiofws | what does checkinstall do ? |
| 21:16.50 | PerfDave | Agiofws: Little of any use |
| 21:16.58 | PerfDave | IMHO |
| 21:17.12 | Agiofws | what does it do : ) |
| 21:17.18 | nvz | stephan48: great, backporting isn't that hard in debian |
| 21:17.23 | PerfDave | apt-cache show checkinstall |
| 21:18.09 | Agiofws | uilds a |
| 21:18.09 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.10 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.15 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.35 | Agiofws | what if you have the same binary via standard package manager ? |
| 21:18.49 | Agiofws | anywaay |
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| 21:19.09 | Agiofws | me is compiling ffmpeg |
| 21:19.23 | PerfDave | I would disagree with the assertion that it builds a "standard binary package" |
| 21:19.52 | josh9 | PerfDave: and the output: http://pastebin.com/1XkP4WdA |
| 21:20.23 | CrazyGir | bah! I manually mounted and chrooted, over the auto chroot, and /usr was correctly mounted so grub-install was then available. but, grub-install seems unable to locate /dev/sda1, despite fdisk seeing it fine |
| 21:20.27 | josh9 | the command i run is this: aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image |
| 21:20.49 | ojtimsen | you have to mount the /proc filesystem CrazyGir |
| 21:21.00 | CrazyGir | bah |
| 21:21.05 | ojtimsen | in the chroot and to re-create the /dev slices |
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| 21:21.14 | k-man | how can I set the power button not to power down the mahcine when pressed? |
| 21:21.14 | PerfDave | You have to bind-mount /proc and /dev usually, /sys can help too |
| 21:21.22 | CrazyGir | after chrooting? not before |
| 21:21.27 | ojtimsen | after |
| 21:21.29 | nvz | k-man: are you using gnome? |
| 21:21.36 | CrazyGir | I bound /dev |
| 21:21.36 | k-man | nvz, no |
| 21:21.50 | ojtimsen | sry beforehand |
| 21:21.53 | CrazyGir | mount -t proc /target/proc ? |
| 21:22.19 | PerfDave | josh9: I suspect it's because there's no such package as linux-image |
| 21:22.29 | CrazyGir | or how are proc/sys mounted |
| 21:22.33 | PerfDave | josh9: apt-cache search --names-only linux-image |
| 21:22.34 | ojtimsen | http://pastebin.com/Lb0RMtXz |
| 21:22.41 | josh9 | PerfDave: thanks |
| 21:22.55 | ojtimsen | just as an example |
| 21:22.59 | nvz | k-man: /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh |
| 21:23.15 | k-man | nvz, just edit that file? is that the debian way? |
| 21:23.17 | CrazyGir | thanks, I'll take a look and compare |
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| 21:23.55 | nvz | k-man: would appear that is the script thats executed when the button is pressed.. and I don't know of any other way of doing it short of using perhaps a kernel parameter to disable that acpi function |
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| 21:24.10 | k-man | nvz, ok, thanks |
| 21:24.21 | nvz | k-man: you could just put exit 0 at the top or program that to do whatever you want |
| 21:24.38 | k-man | I don't seem to have that file, I have powerbtn-acpi-support.sh |
| 21:25.03 | nvz | hmm.. |
| 21:25.15 | k-man | same diff though |
| 21:25.15 | nvz | k-man: does it have the /sbin/shutdown command in there? |
| 21:25.25 | k-man | nvz, yeah, I'll just comment it out |
| 21:25.37 | ojtimsen | k-man: what say "which shutdown" ? |
| 21:25.39 | nvz | k-man: what debian version is that? |
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| 21:26.08 | CrazyGir | ojtimsen: this might sound crazy.. grub-install is still unable to find /dev/sda1 >< |
| 21:26.09 | nvz | k-man: I'm currently on ubuntu and my references show it being /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh since etch at least |
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| 21:26.17 | CrazyGir | mounts all look good |
| 21:26.21 | k-man | nvz, ojtimsen /sbin/shutdown |
| 21:26.27 | josh9 | PerfDave: should i get linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae? it say it's for modern pcs |
| 21:26.31 | nvz | k-man: would just like to know which debian version you have and if that file you have solves your issue |
| 21:26.36 | k-man | nvz, 6.0.3 |
| 21:26.57 | ojtimsen | CrazyGir: do you have the commands for /dev and so executed within the chroot or externally? |
| 21:27.40 | PerfDave | josh9: Do you know what pae is? |
| 21:27.51 | k-man | nvz, just edited the file - testing now |
| 21:27.54 | josh9 | PerfDave: no. |
| 21:27.57 | PerfDave | josh9: I don't know what kernel packages you have available, I don't run 32-bit Debian. |
| 21:28.29 | PerfDave | josh9: You're not using a PAE kernel now. |
| 21:28.41 | josh9 | PerfDave: i don't know. let me google for this term |
| 21:28.42 | k-man | button pressed. no shutdown in progress so I guess its working |
| 21:29.09 | nvz | hmm still puzzles me why the name of that file changed.. but noted |
| 21:29.22 | CrazyGir | ojtimsen: before chrooting |
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| 21:29.59 | ojtimsen | what says an update-grub within the chroot? |
| 21:30.36 | k-man | nvz, there is lots of testing in that file for the existance of the old file name |
| 21:31.05 | CrazyGir | ojtimsen: error, no such disk |
| 21:31.11 | nvz | k-man: ah.. well I'm on Ubuntu 11.04 right now and its using /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh as apparently debian did until recently |
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| 21:32.15 | josh9 | PerfDave: the other one i see that might be ok is linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-486. it say it's for older pcs. and i have lenovo x120e which is about 1 year in the market so i don't know what 'old' means. |
| 21:32.42 | PerfDave | Well, old probably means a 486 :) |
| 21:32.52 | PerfDave | josh9: Do you know what processor you have? |
| 21:32.57 | josh9 | PerfDave: i can also use 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 |
| 21:33.29 | josh9 | PerfDave: let me see. 1 sec |
| 21:33.29 | PerfDave | josh9: Well, given you're runnign a -686 kernel now, I suggest you stick with it. |
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| 21:34.11 | somiaj | josh9: old in terms of 486 is like pentium 1 era |
| 21:34.24 | ojtimsen | CrazyGir: you had initially installed to sda1 or to sda? |
| 21:34.25 | PerfDave | Well, 486 predates Pentium |
| 21:34.36 | josh9 | PerfDave: i have AMD E-350 Processo |
| 21:34.38 | josh9 | r |
| 21:34.50 | nvz | The pentium overdrive is technically a 486.. heh |
| 21:34.53 | somiaj | PerfDave: yea but I think that is just the lowest common chips that are supported, I don't se a -568 kernel. |
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| 21:35.04 | nvz | I used to have a 486 that I upgraded to a Pentium overdrive 100mhz |
| 21:35.09 | josh9 | PerfDave: i see two entries in cpuinfo, so i guess i have 2 cpus? |
| 21:35.12 | ojtimsen | is there a grub.cfg in /boot/grub in the chroot ? CrazyGir |
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| 21:35.22 | PerfDave | josh9: Or a dual-core CPU |
| 21:35.41 | josh9 | PerfDave: so it's 1 cpu with 2 cores? what does that mean |
| 21:35.47 | PerfDave | josh9: It doesn't matter |
| 21:35.51 | josh9 | i guess i don't know what core means.. |
| 21:35.53 | PerfDave | josh9: a -686 kernel will be fine for you |
| 21:35.57 | josh9 | ok. thanks! |
| 21:35.57 | PerfDave | josh9: How much RAM do you have? |
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| 21:36.33 | PerfDave | I have no idea what an E-350 is. I've lost track of x86 hardware :/ |
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| 21:38.15 | ojtimsen | CrazyGir: you tried grub-install --root-directory=/media/sda1 /dev/sda1 ? |
| 21:38.18 | josh9 | PerfDave: free -m shows total 3162 |
| 21:38.28 | thewanderer1 | hmm what? AMD E350 is AMD64 architecture |
| 21:38.33 | josh9 | PerfDave: i guess it means 3MB |
| 21:38.43 | PerfDave | josh9: I'm asking how much memory you have, not how much memory "free" shows |
| 21:38.49 | PerfDave | josh9: No, 3162MB, not 3MB! |
| 21:39.00 | ojtimsen | CrazyGir: you have to change the root-dir path of course |
| 21:39.02 | PerfDave | 3MB wouldn't be enough to boot your system |
| 21:39.04 | josh9 | 3Gb |
| 21:39.10 | thewanderer1 | 3GB |
| 21:39.14 | josh9 | yeah |
| 21:39.23 | I_Died_Once | can someone link me to a decent guide on how to use open-vm-tools to create a virtual machine image from a debian squeeze machine? |
| 21:39.25 | PerfDave | josh9: How much memory is your system supposed to have? |
| 21:39.32 | josh9 | PerfDave: what command will tell me that? |
| 21:39.38 | PerfDave | josh9: No command will tell you that |
| 21:39.51 | I_Died_Once | there are hundreds of guides on how to install it, but i cant find any on how to actually use the darm program |
| 21:39.55 | PerfDave | Except possibly dmidecode |
| 21:40.26 | josh9 | PerfDave: sorry, how am i suppose to know if there is no command.. |
| 21:40.26 | thewanderer1 | I_Died_Once, I have no clue what open-vm-tools is, but you can just take a hard disk with Debian and boot it with KVM without any issues |
| 21:40.43 | PerfDave | josh9: What did you pay for when you bought the machine? What does it say in the box? In the BIOS? |
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| 21:41.03 | josh9 | PerfDave: $500. today it's about $450 |
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| 21:41.19 | PerfDave | josh9: that's not what I asked |
| 21:41.24 | I_Died_Once | thewanderer1 - that great but the image i'm looking to create will be hosted by my bro in law across the state and there is no kvm switch to be had |
| 21:41.25 | PerfDave | Did you buy a machine with 3GB RAM or 4GB or what? |
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| 21:41.44 | thewanderer1 | I_Died_Once, KVM == kernel-based virtual machine |
| 21:41.51 | josh9 | PerfDave: googling for my laptop. 1 sec |
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| 21:42.10 | thewanderer1 | josh9, just check in the BIOS... |
| 21:42.21 | I_Died_Once | thewanderer1 - I just need to create an image that'll be ran in vmware |
| 21:42.30 | thewanderer1 | I_Died_Once, ah, VMware, that's your problem :P |
| 21:42.44 | I_Died_Once | yeah i need a good guide |
| 21:42.46 | PerfDave | josh9: The reason I ask is it looks like your machine is amd64 with 4GB+ RAM, but you've installed a 32-bit Debian on it and hence the kernel can't see anything above 3GB |
| 21:42.57 | nvz | I haven't used vmware in ages, byt when I did, I used their software, vmware workstation to create the images |
| 21:42.58 | jair | hello guys I am having a weird error when I run apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade in my debian 64bit 6.0.3 |
| 21:43.00 | PerfDave | josh9: If I'm right you either weant to reinstall with amd64 Debian, or install a PAE kernel |
| 21:43.08 | jair | I will be pasting an screenshot in a second |
| 21:43.28 | thewanderer1 | I_Died_Once, I assume running the hard disk image as-is is not an option? perhaps it "just works"? |
| 21:43.38 | josh9 | PerfDave: yeah, i think it's 4GB of RAM |
| 21:43.57 | josh9 | PerfDave: i think i prefer to use a 32-bit software |
| 21:44.02 | I_Died_Once | i dont have a hard drisk image to begin with, need to create one |
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| 21:44.04 | nvz | these days I believe Oracle Virtual box can use vmware images and their vmware player site probably has an already setup debian image |
| 21:44.14 | PerfDave | josh9: Why? |
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| 21:44.35 | josh9 | PerfDave: i use this as a dev machine and always thought that more apps/packages will work on 32-bit |
| 21:44.43 | josh9 | was i wrong all? |
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| 21:45.34 | jair | here is the error I am getting, this started happening after upgrading the vmware workstation 8.0 to 8.0.1 http://paste.debian.net/150163/ |
| 21:45.37 | josh9 | PerfDave: i mean - am i wrong for sticking to 32bit? |
| 21:45.39 | PerfDave | Most debian packages will be fine on 64-bit; you can install a 32-bit chroot in 64-bit, or use the ia32-libs package, for compatibility otherwise. |
| 21:45.49 | PerfDave | josh9: That's up to you. It does mean that no app can actually use all your RAM. |
| 21:46.10 | jair | to me looks like an error from the init scritps not really and only caused by the vmware workstation software configuration installation. |
| 21:46.34 | josh9 | PerfDave: right, but will i face any issue when trying to run apps or install development related stuff? ruby/javascript/node etc |
| 21:46.38 | jair | looks like the error is based on x11-common |
| 21:46.47 | CrazyGir | ojtimsen: even when in the chroot |
| 21:46.50 | CrazyGir | ojtimsen: even when in the chroot? |
| 21:46.52 | PerfDave | josh9: No idea. Ruby is packaged for amd64 |
| 21:47.02 | ojtimsen | yes |
| 21:47.07 | thewanderer1 | josh9, huh, millions of servers around the world run Ruby and node.js on amd64, you'll be fine |
| 21:47.17 | CrazyGir | that seems odd to me, what is the /media/sda1 path? |
| 21:47.32 | josh9 | thewanderer1: awesome. so i need to get the livecd again, but this time the amd64, right? |
| 21:47.35 | CrazyGir | apologies for the double post there |
| 21:48.04 | PerfDave | josh9: You can either install a pae kernel as a work-around, or reinstall with amd64 |
| 21:48.16 | ojtimsen | sry you are right outside |
| 21:48.25 | thewanderer1 | josh9, yeah, or the install CD (why are you using live for installs? :P ) |
| 21:48.37 | josh9 | thewanderer1: i don't have cdrom |
| 21:48.38 | I_Died_Once | jair, did you download that vmware workstation from apt or did you get it from the vmware website? |
| 21:48.40 | CrazyGir | ? |
| 21:48.47 | josh9 | thewanderer1: i need it on a usb |
| 21:48.59 | thewanderer1 | josh9, hmm, I'm not sure but I think netinst actually runs off USB sticks |
| 21:49.29 | josh9 | thewanderer1: ok. i'll get netist. |
| 21:49.46 | josh9 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/amd64/ |
| 21:49.52 | josh9 | which link do i need? |
| 21:50.17 | josh9 | i like the standard install since i don't use DE |
| 21:50.24 | josh9 | (awesomeWM + xorg) |
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| 21:50.31 | thewanderer1 | josh9, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-netinst.iso I think |
| 21:50.33 | PerfDave | If only there were some kind of install guide :) |
| 21:50.44 | josh9 | PerfDave: yeah! great idea |
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| 21:51.15 | thewanderer1 | PerfDave, you mean like http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ ? |
| 21:51.25 | jair | I_Died_Once: vmware, this was prompted for me to install it and I thought it coulf be installed without issues |
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| 21:51.45 | OldParr | how do i fix a partition table, (system does not recognizes the hard disk) |
| 21:52.02 | jair | I_Died_Once: but I am wrong this think broke my debian system, I am wondering if I should uninstall it and install again the version 8.0 that I know was working correctly |
| 21:52.11 | josh9 | thewanderer1: thanks! |
| 21:52.17 | nvz | OldParr: gpart |
| 21:52.18 | CrazyGir | when running grub-install, I get an error: auto-detection of a filesystem of /dev/mapper/vg-root failed. this is because it should be /dev/vg/root. how do I tell grub it's looking in the wrong place? |
| 21:52.22 | jair | I_Died_Once: but then I will not know how to solve the issue... |
| 21:52.34 | CrazyGir | override the aut=detection, rather |
| 21:52.41 | OldParr | nvz: gparted does not recognizes the disk |
| 21:52.58 | nvz | OldParr: I didn't say gparted now did I? |
| 21:53.02 | thewanderer1 | CrazyGir, /dev/mapper/vg-root should be the same as /dev/vg/root |
| 21:53.16 | josh9 | thewanderer1: PerfDave : one more question before i get the new iso - after i install it, i should change my sources, and get the bpo.2-amd64, right? |
| 21:53.31 | PerfDave | josh9: You will probably have different kernels available |
| 21:53.33 | nvz | OldParr: gpart and gparted are no relation. |
| 21:53.35 | thewanderer1 | josh9, well, do you need the backports kernel? |
| 21:53.38 | OldParr | nvz: OK, let me see gaprt |
| 21:53.41 | OldParr | gpart |
| 21:54.05 | CrazyGir | thewanderer1: you would be correct. hrm.. so what's up with grub-install sucking at the auto-detection? |
| 21:54.05 | nvz | gparted is a gtk partition editor, gpart is a command line tool for guessing partition tables |
| 21:54.29 | thewanderer1 | CrazyGir, well, what's the filesystem in use? it could have problems with exotic FS |
| 21:54.32 | josh9 | thewanderer1: PerfDave on my 32-bit debian i have been told my radeon hardware is not supported by the current kernel, and had to upgrade to 38. |
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| 21:54.54 | PerfDave | josh9: Are you using some proprietary radeon driver? |
| 21:54.56 | josh9 | thewanderer1: PerfDave do u guys think i should get the amd64 and just see if it magically works? |
| 21:54.59 | thewanderer1 | josh9, well, do that on the amd64 too, then. and I believe the current version is 39 |
| 21:55.13 | josh9 | PerfDave: i don't know. how do i find out? |
| 21:55.19 | OldParr | nvz: what is to guess a partition table |
| 21:55.22 | PerfDave | josh9: Seriously, why don't you know this stuff? |
| 21:55.34 | nvz | OldParr: ? |
| 21:55.35 | josh9 | PerfDave: i appologize.. |
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| 21:56.04 | thewanderer1 | josh9, just install it, upgrade to the newest backports kernel and you'll worry later :P |
| 21:56.12 | nvz | OldParr: gpat scans the disk looking for partition boundaries and attempts to guess the partition table, something like gpart -W /dev/sda /dev/sda |
| 21:56.27 | OldParr | guessing a partition table is the same that fix it (question) |
| 21:56.28 | nvz | OldParr: would scan the disk /dev/sda looking for partitions and write a new partition table |
| 21:56.40 | josh9 | thewanderer1: ok. thanks a lot. i'll try getting bpo.2-amd64 than. |
| 21:56.41 | PerfDave | josh9: What's this Radeon driver that's not working with your kernel? |
| 21:56.48 | josh9 | PerfDave: let me see |
| 21:57.08 | CrazyGir | thewanderer1: crypto lvm from debian installer |
| 21:57.12 | nvz | OldParr: if the partition table is corrupt there is no fixing it.. this will look for the partition boundaries and create a new partition table from scratch |
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| 21:57.34 | thewanderer1 | CrazyGir, but the fs on /dev/vg/root... |
| 21:58.03 | OldParr | nvz: thanks |
| 21:58.32 | CrazyGir | thewanderer1: ext3 |
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| 21:58.37 | CrazyGir | nothing special |
| 21:58.52 | OldParr | nvz: how is exactly the systax to use when the partion table as errors with the size (question) |
| 21:58.58 | OldParr | syntax |
| 21:59.02 | josh9 | PerfDave: the guy on the chat here told me that if i want to use external monitor i should upgrade the kernel. i installed xserver-xorg-video-radeon. |
| 21:59.11 | OldParr | has |
| 21:59.25 | josh9 | PerfDave: i am not sure how to find the driver name that's not working with the kernel.. |
| 21:59.25 | thewanderer1 | CrazyGir, hmm, it should normally be detected, no idea why it doesn't work for you... see dmesg maybe? |
| 21:59.29 | nvz | OldParr: I don't know what you're talking about |
| 21:59.36 | CrazyGir | mmm |
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| 21:59.43 | CrazyGir | sad indeed |
| 22:00.03 | thewanderer1 | CrazyGir, it's GRUB2, right? |
| 22:00.07 | PerfDave | josh9: OK, that package name exists in amd64 too |
| 22:00.10 | OldParr | nvz: which options must i use (question) |
| 22:00.46 | nvz | OldParr: I still have no clue what you're talking about. I gave you an example command, and the program has a manpage |
| 22:00.53 | PerfDave | josh9: What does the xserver-xorg-video-radeon documentation tell you? |
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| 22:01.04 | nvz | OldParr: if the disk is /dev/sda then gpart -W /dev/sda /dev/sda |
| 22:01.09 | webad_13 | trying to send AT commands to ttyACM1 - but when I try "cu -ttyACM1" I get premission denied and Line in use |
| 22:01.26 | d34df00d | Is there a macro defined by gcc when compiling an app with Debian's gcc? |
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| 22:01.36 | josh9 | PerfDave: googling. give me a sec |
| 22:01.37 | OldParr | nvz: thanks |
| 22:01.41 | serega_by | hi all |
| 22:01.47 | PerfDave | josh9: Why are you googling? |
| 22:01.59 | serega_by | how to improve debugger in freepascal in debian ? |
| 22:02.00 | josh9 | PerfDave: i tried man page but got nothing |
| 22:02.13 | PerfDave | josh9: All debian packages come with their own documentation in /usr/share/doc/$packagename |
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| 22:02.23 | thewanderer1 | PerfDave, I think you're intimidating him :P |
| 22:02.24 | PerfDave | josh9: Also, look at the package contents for the name of the manpage it ships with. |
| 22:02.25 | josh9 | PerfDave: sweet. 1 sec |
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| 22:03.16 | OldParr | nvz: that solution is aplicable even when fdisk -l shows no disks . (question) |
| 22:03.44 | kj4 | woot terminus font rocks |
| 22:04.00 | nvz | OldParr: if the kernel cannot see the disk, then nothing can.. for all I know your disk is toast and not even spinning. I just told you how to do what you asked |
| 22:04.13 | PerfDave | thewanderer1: I just get a bit mind-boggled when people don't even know what the hardware they're installing on is :) |
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| 22:04.33 | OldParr | nvz: may be i do not know how to ask |
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| 22:05.40 | nvz | OldParr: what kind of hard disk is this? laptop, desktop? IDE: SATA, PATA? |
| 22:05.44 | OldParr | nvz: when i run fdisk -l it shows nothing (that means the kernel does not recognizes the disk) |
| 22:05.55 | thewanderer1 | OldParr, does the BIOS see the disk? |
| 22:06.05 | OldParr | is IDE |
| 22:06.14 | nvz | PATA or SATA? |
| 22:06.24 | thewanderer1 | IDE == PATA |
| 22:06.29 | OldParr | the bios takes a big lot of time seeking |
| 22:06.34 | nvz | uh no.. SATA is ide too |
| 22:06.49 | OldParr | is ATA (the old) |
| 22:06.54 | nvz | IDE == Integrated Drive Electronics |
| 22:06.57 | thewanderer1 | nvz, for all I know, nobody ever calls SATA disks IDE :P |
| 22:07.34 | nvz | OldParr: are you sure the jumper settings are correct? |
| 22:07.38 | OldParr | is the previus than SATA |
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| 22:07.51 | OldParr | i think is called PATA |
| 22:08.05 | OldParr | yes jumpers are ok |
| 22:08.15 | nvz | is the disk spinning? |
| 22:08.19 | OldParr | jumpers i am sure is not the problem |
| 22:08.19 | CrazyGir | thewanderer1: it was grub1, but I installed grub2 w/ aptitude, same problem |
| 22:08.42 | OldParr | i heard a strange sound coming from the case |
| 22:08.53 | thewanderer1 | CrazyGir, does dmesg contain anything informative? |
| 22:09.02 | OldParr | something like friction sound |
| 22:09.04 | thewanderer1 | OldParr, does the BIOS eventually see the disk? |
| 22:09.36 | thewanderer1 | see the set-up tool, for example - it should display a listing of all available disks |
| 22:09.57 | OldParr | i do not know if bios sees the disk all i know is bios takes 10 times more times than before to start booting |
| 22:10.17 | nvz | sounds to me like your barrings have failed and the drive is toast |
| 22:10.18 | josh9 | PerfDave: i see 3 .gz files there: changelog.Debian.gz, changelog.gz, NEWS.debian.gz is the documentation in one of those? |
| 22:10.22 | OldParr | bios seems to be looking for something |
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| 22:10.29 | thewanderer1 | OldParr, enter the BIOS config (del or F2 on boot) and see if the disk is listed |
| 22:10.50 | nvz | yeah the disk's geometry.. which it cannot tell because its not spinning or at least not fast enough to read |
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| 22:11.47 | nvz | either that or it's probing for a boot sector.. either way the disk is likely dead.. the BIOS however is irrelevant once linux loads |
| 22:12.13 | nvz | you can disable the 2ndary IDE controller on older machines with two and boot it with drives attached and access them just fine from within linux |
| 22:12.27 | nvz | as far as the kernel is concerned, once its in memory, the BIOS is just a NVRAM chip.. heh |
| 22:12.29 | OldParr | if the disk is broken gpart will not help |
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| 22:12.38 | OldParr | my files are losted |
| 22:12.59 | nvz | no, if the disk shows up in the dmesg, then you could at least read the SMART data to get more accurate diagnosis |
| 22:13.14 | nvz | but nothing you do is going to fix it short of perhaps the freezer trick |
| 22:13.29 | OldParr | let me try dmesg |
| 22:14.40 | josh9 | PerfDave: here is the NEWS.Debian file - http://pastebin.com/UixUXhHh |
| 22:14.58 | OldParr | waht do you mean the freezer trick |
| 22:15.12 | OldParr | will that trick save my files |
| 22:15.28 | nvz | OldParr: well typically drives fail due to heat and wear, the barrings and stuff expand and fail to work mechanically.. |
| 22:15.35 | serega_by | I installed lazarus, but it doesn't work. when I start it from console by this command "startlazarus" I get follow message" =>>> startlazarus [WARNING] Out of OEM specific VK codes, changing to unassigned [WARNING] Out of unassigned VK codes, assigning $FF TLazarusManager.Run starting /usr/lib/lazarus/0.9.28.2/lazarus ... " |
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| 22:15.51 | josh9 | PerfDave: TLDR: KMS is enabled and it might brake radeonhd and vesa. |
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| 22:16.08 | nvz | OldParr: in physics temperature and pressure are directly related, so by freezing the drive, you compress the parts and allow them to work properly again.. usually only for a very short period of time but often enough to get data |
| 22:16.31 | OldParr | frozen or just cold |
| 22:17.24 | iorivur | do you know where key XKBLAYOUT option on /etc/default/keyboard listed? |
| 22:17.32 | nvz | ideally I typically double ziplock it and freeze it for about 24hrs then if its gonna work I try get log cables and keep it in a cool environment until data is retrieved as it will heat up quickly |
| 22:17.36 | boudiccas | when i put a commercial dvd disc in the caddy mplayer starts up, where do i change it to vlc please? |
| 22:17.46 | nvz | s/log/long/ |
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| 22:19.00 | nvz | OldParr: the only other way is to have the drive opened up, platters physically moved to a working spindle and read using special equipment. this not only requires very expensive equipment but an entirely static free environment either a space suit or a special container with fitted gloves.. heh |
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| 22:19.40 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas, depends on the desktop environment |
| 22:19.48 | boudiccas | thewanderer1; gnome |
| 22:19.57 | OldParr | nvz: my data is not as valuable i can make the work all over |
| 22:19.59 | boudiccas | gnome on squeeze |
| 22:20.20 | OldParr | but the freezer trick |
| 22:20.29 | OldParr | seems to be good |
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| 22:20.39 | OldParr | i am going to try it |
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| 22:20.58 | nvz | OldParr: go for it, google it even.. its well documented and works well on many drives with failing barrings |
| 22:21.13 | OldParr | thanks |
| 22:21.14 | boudiccas | bearings |
| 22:21.19 | nvz | yeah that too |
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| 22:21.39 | nvz | sometimes they both go bad at once :-P |
| 22:21.42 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas, I think it's: System -> Preferences -> Removable Drives and Medi |
| 22:21.48 | iorivur | which timing /etc/default/keyboard is loaded? |
| 22:21.50 | boudiccas | thewanderer1; thanks |
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| 22:23.03 | josh9 | i try to install debian amd64 netinst from a usb. what usb size do i need? |
| 22:24.09 | boudiccas | thewanderer1; i'm sorry to say that under gnome on squeeze there is no 'removable drives and midi' option |
| 22:24.09 | nvz | the netinst is only about 140mb or so.. a 256mb would be plenty |
| 22:24.48 | nvz | I personally use unetbootin ( unetbootin.sf.net ) for that stuff |
| 22:25.05 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas, hmm, let me have a look :P |
| 22:25.18 | kj4 | nvz good advice, unotbootin is awesome |
| 22:25.22 | boudiccas | thewanderer1; thanks |
| 22:25.55 | babilen | !tell josh9 -about usb install |
| 22:26.09 | nvz | kj4: its handy.. I tend to use PXE more often than USB though. its easier and more reliable |
| 22:26.26 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas, system -> preferences -> file management -> media [tab] |
| 22:26.33 | kj4 | nvz you've got a pxe server on your network somewhere? |
| 22:26.55 | nvz | kj4: no, keep it on my netbook with a script to bring it up when and where needed |
| 22:27.20 | boudiccas | thewanderer1; thats it, thanks |
| 22:27.56 | kj4 | nvz: i'll have to look into how that works- so you have the images on the netbook? |
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| 22:28.19 | nvz | kj4: makes it a whole lot easier as I can download distros right into my tftp dir and keep as many as I want and even easily use bios flash utilities or anything else |
| 22:28.41 | babilen | nvz: unetbootin is certainly overkill for Debian's hybrid images IMHO - In particular because it introduces another source of errors |
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| 22:28.53 | kj4 | nvz: i've got to get myself out of the stoneage |
| 22:29.06 | nvz | babilen: yeah I have failures from time to time which is why I go PXE most of the time |
| 22:29.16 | nvz | kj4: PXE is ancient technology.. heh |
| 22:29.30 | babilen | nvz: PXE is certainly the best option and it is just great to have the infrastructure in place |
| 22:29.35 | nvz | I only use it to boot, then I connect the macines to the network and let em go |
| 22:29.47 | kj4 | nvz: mm |
| 22:29.56 | nvz | yeah initial setup is a little tricky but once you got it setup its easy to add stuff |
| 22:30.40 | kj4 | nvz i had it working using sysresccd once, as a VM- didn't realize i could run it as a service |
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| 22:31.11 | kj4 | nvz: i take it a script chooses what image is served? |
| 22:31.15 | nvz | kj4: its essentially just a tftp server and a dhcp server.. its not that complicated |
| 22:31.25 | nvz | kj4: you can setup a boot menu just like grub if you want |
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| 22:31.45 | kj4 | does the boot menu appear on the pxe client or the pxe server? |
| 22:31.53 | nvz | the client |
| 22:32.35 | kj4 | nvz: sounds like it is useful for both installs and repair |
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| 22:32.47 | kj4 | nvz: recovery, i should say |
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| 22:35.55 | nvz | kj4: well my friends laptop (toshiba satellite) the mobo apparently was crapping out its completely dead now, but for awhile it was still working but wouldnt boot from SD, HDD, CD, nothing.. I built him a PXE jumpbox to start it with.. heh |
| 22:36.08 | nvz | worked fine after a jumpstart |
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| 22:36.14 | nvz | for a few months |
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| 22:36.58 | iorivur | Q: I'm using us arrangement Happy Hacking Keyboard, and using us keymap that is set by dpkg-reconfigure, but pushing Superkey, it's event is Muhenkan and Henkanmode. |
| 22:37.46 | iorivur | prev I used jp keyboard, so there must be another settings and I didn't change, but what is that? |
| 22:37.50 | kj4 | nvz thats pretty funny- i am an auto tech, so i can relate |
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| 22:38.39 | parabyte | hello |
| 22:38.56 | parabyte | where can i obtain information on getting debian working on my new christmas present ;) |
| 22:40.05 | iorivur | parabyte, well, working debian on same as your machine, did you mean that? |
| 22:40.15 | iorivur | same one? |
| 22:40.39 | parabyte | iorivur, sorry abit of christmas cheer here |
| 22:40.39 | parabyte | lol |
| 22:40.50 | parabyte | its a armel w8650 based machine |
| 22:40.55 | parabyte | uses uboot as its bootloader |
| 22:41.13 | parabyte | i just wanted some general info on this debian armel iso images!? |
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| 22:41.30 | parabyte | does it have a installer? and stuff like that really |
| 22:43.37 | iorivur | I've never install on armel, but you seems to could have dropped u-boot, don't you? |
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| 22:44.13 | parabyte | no i cant drop uboot on this hardware |
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| 22:49.21 | iorivur | oh... googled it, it does'nt have any serial console, is it? |
| 22:49.22 | Confis | I have a filesystem that is read-only mounted, and I can't unmount (the system depends on a file in it). Can I somehow make it writable? |
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| 22:49.50 | yvmmrfn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKJClrSSmGM |
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| 22:50.03 | iorivur | How about rewrite fstab and remount it? |
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| 22:50.49 | Confis | Won't remount be an umount-mount operation? I can't do that. umount -f doesn't work. |
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| 22:52.22 | phogg | Confis: not necessarily. Use mount -o remount |
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| 22:55.49 | iorivur | parabyte; oh... googled it, it does'nt have any serial console, is it? If not, I can't make any idea except that to open it and pull out RX and TX |
| 22:58.03 | iorivur | By the way, there are so many people try to install debian on their Xmas present.... seem fan.... |
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| 23:19.02 | josh9 | new debian install. i used backports to get linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 and restarted my laptop. uname -a still shows 2.6.32-5-amd64. any clues? |
| 23:19.27 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.44 | josh9 | nvz: oh. let me reboot again |
| 23:19.47 | phogg | clearly. Make sure your bootloader got updated properly |
| 23:20.11 | josh9 | phogg: can i look at the bootloader before restarting? |
| 23:21.17 | josh9 | also. i installed xorg and xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 23:21.22 | phogg | josh9: make sure that grub's config file knows about the kernel you want to boot |
| 23:21.36 | josh9 | do i need to uninstall them, and reinstall them after i boot with the new kernel? |
| 23:23.17 | phogg | no... just check that the config file shows what it needs to show |
| 23:24.26 | josh9 | phogg: locate grub shows many many entries. where is it? |
| 23:24.54 | phogg | josh9: /boot/grub/ |
| 23:26.30 | josh9 | phogg: phogg according to this page - http://wiki.debian.org/GrubConfiguration there are 2 options for the grub. i don't see menu.lst or grub.conf |
| 23:26.40 | CrazyGir | is there any way to find out more info related to what www-data is doing when there's an entry like this in the auth.log? Dec 25 18:10:03 webmail CRON[6284]: pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for user www-data |
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| 23:27.11 | CrazyGir | or rather, what's going on between session open and close |
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| 23:28.18 | phogg | josh9: grub.cfg |
| 23:30.20 | josh9 | phogg: ok. i see menuentry with 2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 but can't remember seeing it on reboot. |
| 23:30.47 | phogg | josh9: now you try again |
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| 23:31.53 | josh9 | phogg: i get a white screen! |
| 23:32.05 | josh9 | maybe it's something with my radeon hardware? |
| 23:32.18 | josh9 | white frozen screen. |
| 23:32.19 | phogg | josh9: you should get the grub menu regardless |
| 23:32.49 | josh9 | phogg: wait. maybe i'll try reboot and pick the older kernel... |
| 23:34.14 | josh9 | phogg: ok. 2.6.32-5-amd64 is ok. how do i figure out the issue with 39.bpo.2-amd64 ? |
| 23:34.26 | josh9 | i think i need it for my radeon hardware. |
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| 23:34.57 | phogg | I'm not sure how to proceed, perhaps someone else will know. |
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| 23:35.24 | josh9 | ok. thanks a lot |
| 23:35.33 | somiaj | josh9: what video drivers are you suing for radeon, the free (or non-free fglrx?) |
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| 23:37.02 | josh9 | somiaj: i don't know. i just installed the following: aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 |
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| 23:37.11 | josh9 | and aptitude -t squeeze-backports install xorg and xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 23:37.25 | josh9 | (squeeze, netinst) |
| 23:37.36 | somiaj | that is the radeon free drivers, do you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed? |
| 23:38.04 | somiaj | you should get that from -t squeeze-backports as well |
| 23:38.07 | josh9 | somiaj: looking with dpkg. one sec |
| 23:38.20 | somiaj | josh9: also what radeon card do you have? |
| 23:38.44 | josh9 | somiaj: not sure. give me a minute to figure out |
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| 23:39.02 | josh9 | somiaj: is it something a commmand can tell me or is it on the laptop's website? |
| 23:39.13 | babilen | josh9: "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" |
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| 23:40.01 | josh9 | somiaj: VGA compatible controller: ATI technologies Incc Device [1002:9802] |
| 23:40.40 | babilen | ,pcii 1002:9802 |
| 23:40.47 | babilen | ,pciid 1002:9802 |
| 23:40.48 | judd | [1002:9802] is 'Wrestler [Radeon HD 6310]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:9802 http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and the out-of-tree 'fglrx', 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 23:41.37 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.32 | streuner_ | well, thats what we told him about 12 hours ago |
| 23:42.40 | nvz | heh |
| 23:43.00 | streuner_ | "/msg judd pciid 1002:9802 |
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| 23:43.32 | StephenS | ,pciid 192:12 |
| 23:43.37 | StephenS | ,pciid 1923:1212 |
| 23:43.37 | josh9 | streuner_: good morning! now i installed amd64 instead of 32 |
| 23:43.38 | judd | [1923:1212] is 'Unknown device' from 'Sangoma Technologies Corp.' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1923:1212 |
| 23:43.45 | StephenS | ,pciid 1002:9802 |
| 23:43.45 | judd | [1002:9802] is 'Wrestler [Radeon HD 6310]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:9802 http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and the out-of-tree 'fglrx', 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 23:45.00 | streuner_ | josh9: and you arent able to use X? |
| 23:45.22 | somiaj | josh9: the package firmware-linux-nonfree is what you need to also install from squeeze-backports |
| 23:46.11 | somiaj | it hopefully contains the microcode (firmware) needed for that device. |
| 23:46.13 | josh9 | streuner_: i didn't try. all i did is installing 3 packages from backports: linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64, xorg and xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 23:46.38 | josh9 | streuner_: when i rebooted and picked the new kernel, the screen become white and frozen. |
| 23:46.52 | josh9 | streuner_: (i diddn't even run startx) |
| 23:47.19 | nvz | sounds like a framebuffer issue |
| 23:47.26 | josh9 | somiaj: ok. will get firmware-linux-nonfre |
| 23:47.41 | somiaj | josh9: you don't have a display manager running at boot? |
| 23:47.51 | streuner_ | sure, he does |
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| 23:48.14 | josh9 | somiaj: what is a display manager? i plan to install awesome wm. |
| 23:48.20 | josh9 | and run it with startx |
| 23:48.35 | somiaj | josh9: it is what gnome/kde/desktops boot into to give you a grpahical login |
| 23:48.49 | josh9 | somiaj: oh. i use text-based login instead |
| 23:49.01 | josh9 | somiaj: in .xinitrc i say: run awesome |
| 23:49.20 | dspstv | hi, while running a dist-upgrade the process broke, i had to reboot and well the system is half usable |
| 23:49.24 | josh9 | somiaj: it's a netinst with no gnome/kde |
| 23:49.24 | somiaj | josh9: just making sure you didn't have a display manager that automically runs X at start. That was what I though was goin on |
| 23:49.42 | josh9 | somiaj: ok. let me install the firmware and i'll reboot |
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| 23:50.42 | josh9 | somiaj: it couldnot find a package with that name |
| 23:50.59 | dspstv | argg.. guess i will have to reinstall from zero.. |
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| 23:51.15 | josh9 | somiaj: sorry. my mistake |
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| 23:53.06 | somiaj | dspstv: you could use a rescue cd, and chroot into your install and try to fix it. |
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| 23:53.36 | nvz | o.O |
| 23:53.48 | nvz | just realized he has some suspicious processes |
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| 23:54.15 | nvz | ... in the process of trying to figure out wth the "run" command josh9 mentioned was |
| 23:54.57 | josh9 | nvz: there is no run command |
| 23:55.09 | nvz | josh9: I know ;) |
| 23:55.24 | nvz | I was being a smartass |
| 23:55.26 | josh9 | nvz: oh.. |
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| 23:55.37 | phogg | nvz: suspicious how? |
| 23:55.43 | josh9 | somiaj: works. i logged into 2.39 |
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| 23:56.37 | nvz | phogg: well when you know for a fact you have screensaver disabled, yet there 5 xdg-screensaver processes, and 4 processes "sleep 50" that seem to keep restarting themselves and not attached to a terminal.. |
| 23:56.43 | nvz | thats kinda suspect |
| 23:56.53 | josh9 | thanks a lot. btw, was it necessary to get xorg and xserver-xorg-video-radeon from backports |
| 23:56.53 | somiaj | josh9: debian strips out all the non-free firware blogs from the kernel and puts it in another package. It isn't uncommon for hardwaer to need non-free frimware to work, radeon is a big one. (: |
| 23:56.55 | josh9 | ? |
| 23:57.04 | phogg | nvz: somewhat strange, yes |
| 23:57.22 | phogg | nvz: ps auxf or pstree, what are the parents? |
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| 23:57.27 | somiaj | josh9: with your card I think so, its part of the amd fusion chip right? |
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| 23:58.02 | josh9 | somiaj: i have no idea. someone told me to do that when i first installed debian on this laptop, 6 months ago. |
| 23:59.16 | somiaj | josh9: well from what I've seen it does seem to be current generation hardware, and squeeze needs those backports to support it. |
| 23:59.53 | josh9 | somiaj: i have the fear that my wireless is not going to work since i got funny messages about missing rt18168d. we'll see when i'll finish installing the basic stuff i need. |
