| 00:00.46 | nvz | phogg: well the xdg-screensaver is a child of init and the sleep 50 is a child of the xdg-screensaver |
| 00:00.53 | somiaj | josh9: most likely its another firwmare issue |
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| 00:01.12 | phogg | nvz: I have not run a screensaver in years so I have no idea how normal that is or isn't |
| 00:01.24 | somiaj | josh9: did it say firmware was missing, install the package firmware-realtek from non-free |
| 00:01.30 | somiaj | josh9: use the squeeze-backport version if it exists |
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| 00:02.11 | josh9 | somiaj: cool. i'll do that if i don't have wireless |
| 00:02.18 | nvz | phogg: yeah me either.. but I'm about to get to the bottom of it if I gotta physcially dd if=/dev/zero over the damn thing.. heh |
| 00:02.24 | somiaj | josh9: check dmesg it should compalin about missing firmware. |
| 00:02.34 | josh9 | somiaj: i got this message even when i started the installation. |
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| 00:04.17 | phogg | nvz: start with rkhunter, chkrootkit, lastlog, etc.. The basics. |
| 00:05.07 | nvz | phogg: I doubt its that serious.. think its normal behavior I'm just not used to cause this is ubuntu.. been taking out all kinds of crap thats strange |
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| 00:05.44 | phogg | nvz: I tried that once in the 6.x days... eventually hosed it hard, got pissed off, went back to Debian |
| 00:06.55 | somiaj | I use to suggest ubuntu to my friends who wanted to switch to linux, figured since it was based on debian I might be able to help them....I eventally said switch to debian if you want support from me. |
| 00:07.00 | phogg | I'm not exactly sysadmin-god or anything, but if I can't fix it then it's seriously busted. |
| 00:07.21 | nvz | phogg: yeah well my reasoning was that I was moving around a lot and my only system right now is this netbook thats falling apart.. just wanted something that was less downloading and work to get newer libs I needed at the time |
| 00:07.32 | nvz | I'll be going back to debian when I get new hardware |
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| 00:08.11 | phogg | nvz: tried LMDE yet? I think I'll give it a go next time I need an OS for a laptop |
| 00:08.28 | nvz | phogg: never heard of it |
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| 00:08.59 | nvz | phogg: planning on getting a custom built laptop from avadirect.com they sell em without windows and highly upgradable |
| 00:09.06 | phogg | nvz: it's what happens when an ubuntu derivative realizes that being based on debian is better |
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| 00:10.21 | nvz | phogg: haha.. I like debian I'm used to it.. just at the time was pretty into hedgewars and several other fast moving apps that were too much trouble for me to keep build/runtime environments for in debian the way I was moving around and not having a stable internet connection other than my phone |
| 00:11.43 | josh9 | somiaj: in dmesg i see: unable to load firmware patch rtl_nic/rt18168d-2.w (-2) |
| 00:11.54 | somiaj | josh9: did you install the firmware package I told you to? |
| 00:12.06 | josh9 | somiaj: not yet. will do it now. |
| 00:12.23 | somiaj | josh9: so read and think, that message confirms what I thought you would need to do. Install the correct firmware |
| 00:12.30 | somiaj | install it from backports |
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| 00:13.30 | yagoo | josh9, maybe -> apt-get install linux-firmware |
| 00:13.47 | josh9 | somiaj: done (from backports) |
| 00:13.56 | somiaj | yagoo: he needed firmware-realtek (: |
| 00:14.18 | somiaj | josh9: you will have to rmmod // modprobe the module for your card to get it to load the firmware (you don't have to restart) |
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| 00:14.51 | josh9 | dpkg shows me 2: firmware-realtek and firmware-linux-nonfree (from bpo) |
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| 00:14.52 | dpkg | josh9: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 00:15.20 | somiaj | josh9: correct, one of them is for the non-free linux blobs (for your radeon card) the other is for your realtek nic |
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| 00:17.04 | josh9 | somiaj:ok. googling for modprobing |
| 00:17.36 | somiaj | josh9: 'rmmod foo && modprobe foo' where foo is the name of the module. |
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| 00:17.54 | somiaj | josh9: I just don't happen to know the name of the module you are using off the top of my head. |
| 00:18.33 | josh9 | somiaj: what's the best way to find them? the output of dmesg? |
| 00:18.45 | josh9 | them/it |
| 00:18.58 | somiaj | josh9: lsmod lists all installed modules, though dmesg should give the module name who gave you that firmware error |
| 00:19.18 | somiaj | josh9: and then a bit of thinking (modules are usually nicely named) it will probabaly be rtlsomethig |
| 00:20.06 | somiaj | josh9: clarification, lsmod lists all loaded modules |
| 00:22.17 | josh9 | somiaj: i see rtl8168d-2.fw |
| 00:22.31 | josh9 | (in dmesg) |
| 00:22.53 | somiaj | that is not the name of the module |
| 00:23.06 | yagoo | josh9, thats good it loaded the firmware |
| 00:23.17 | somiaj | I think it is till complainig it didn't load it |
| 00:23.29 | josh9 | yagoo: no, it tells me it's unable to load firmware patch |
| 00:23.30 | somiaj | what is the whole line from dmesg that is from, usually the module name is at the start of the line. |
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| 00:23.46 | josh9 | somiaj: oh - r8169 |
| 00:24.16 | josh9 | or rt18192ce |
| 00:24.23 | josh9 | or rtl8192ce |
| 00:24.23 | somiaj | probabaly both |
| 00:24.40 | somiaj | rtl8192ce is your wif, r8169 will be your wired gigabit I think |
| 00:25.34 | josh9 | somiaj: btw, lsmod shows me r8169 with 0 next to it |
| 00:25.39 | josh9 | (so it's not used?) |
| 00:26.06 | somiaj | that just means no other module is dependnt on it |
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| 00:27.21 | dioz | can i troll here for a bit? |
| 00:27.33 | nvz | hah |
| 00:27.47 | nvz | never heard anyone ask first |
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| 00:27.56 | dioz | i don't wanna impose |
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| 00:28.18 | josh9 | somiaj: by wif u mean wifi? so i need to run: 'rmmod rtl8192ce && modprobe rtl8192ce' ? |
| 00:28.19 | supersux | Hello, are there any browsers with oss4 support in debian 6? |
| 00:28.39 | somiaj | josh9: yes, sorry about the typo and yes that is the command |
| 00:29.46 | streuner_ | supersux: iceweasel does it by default |
| 00:30.12 | streuner_ | supersux: if OSS4 installed, iceweasel just use it fine |
| 00:30.19 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.22 | josh9 | somiaj: i run this.. |
| 00:30.57 | josh9 | somiaj: but when running wicd-cursur tells me 'can't connect to daemon' |
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| 00:31.09 | supersux | streuner_: icewasel is still looking for ALSA libs, as far as i can tell from terminal output |
| 00:31.11 | somiaj | josh9: that is because your wicd daemon isn't running |
| 00:31.13 | streuner_ | nvz, OSS4 is well supported in Debian and is devel by opensound very well, so no. |
| 00:31.16 | supersux | oss4 works fine otherwise |
| 00:31.19 | somiaj | josh9: first dmesg (make sure it loaded the firmware) |
| 00:31.21 | josh9 | /etc/init.d/ |
| 00:31.24 | josh9 | ok |
| 00:31.41 | somiaj | josh9: then you can do a 'ifconfig wlan0 up' and a 'iwlist wlan0 scan' |
| 00:31.50 | somiaj | josh9: and see if you can see the networks with it. |
| 00:32.06 | josh9 | somiaj: it tells me wireless switch is off. i guess your command will turn it on |
| 00:32.08 | supersux | I can get oss4 sound in just about any othe app but web brosers |
| 00:32.11 | dioz | it seems like almost every 15 people that come in here and ask a question are either asking about FF/iceweasel or wireless NIC issues |
| 00:32.26 | nvz | streuner_: hmm as far as I knew we spent the last few years phasing out OSS with ALSA. *shurg* guess I gotta research it |
| 00:32.34 | somiaj | josh9: you could have a hardware swtich on the laptop you have to turn on |
| 00:32.37 | streuner_ | supersux: look at the opensound wiki config thingie then |
| 00:32.45 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:33.31 | somiaj | dioz: the questions I see alot is 'I installed testing and its broken' (: |
| 00:33.54 | dioz | and you say "that's because it's testing" |
| 00:34.11 | josh9 | somiaj: i don't think i have a key. and the up command tells me: firmware loading failed |
| 00:34.15 | streuner_ | nvz, well, there is a bug for my chipset still, and OSS4 just works... |
| 00:34.27 | dioz | i assume you mean tho in like a desktop environment |
| 00:34.38 | dioz | a minimalistic approach with testing is pretty simple |
| 00:34.55 | streuner_ | nvz, its always good to have some alternatives, that makes Debian sometimes very useful, IMO |
| 00:35.00 | somiaj | dioz: well people wonder why we suggest stable. If you know debian and are willing to fix things it works ok, but people expect testing to run like a polished distro. |
| 00:35.04 | nvz | streuner_: hmm I'm just having flashbacks hearing that.. to a time when ALSA was being introduced to the mainstream kernel and there were driver issues with one or the other |
| 00:35.14 | somiaj | josh9: well what did dmesg say about the firmware the second time it was loaded? |
| 00:35.35 | somiaj | josh9: really its hard to 'guess' what is happening with out seeing output and errors, you can use paste.debian.net if you want to paste multiple lines |
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| 00:36.06 | gasull | In what package can I find srm? |
| 00:36.24 | somiaj | !tell gasull about search |
| 00:37.06 | gasull | somiaj: found it |
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| 00:39.04 | josh9 | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/w8rUVVWP |
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| 00:41.47 | somiaj | josh9: output of 'lsmod | grep rtl' |
| 00:42.19 | somiaj | josh9: still seems like your laptop has a hardware wireless switch (sometimes this is a function + key on the keyboard). |
| 00:43.28 | josh9 | somiaj: i think u are right. fn+f5 |
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| 00:45.32 | josh9 | but dmesg tells me unknown key press |
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| 00:46.00 | somiaj | josh9: install the package rfkill |
| 00:46.14 | nvz | unless the hardware switch is actually a switch it can be overriden with rfkill |
| 00:46.36 | somiaj | josh9: that allows you to turn on/off that kill switch |
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| 00:46.51 | josh9 | somiaj: installed |
| 00:47.09 | somiaj | my laptop is off, I don't really want to debug this anymore for you, but you are close, just keep plugging away. (: |
| 00:47.15 | josh9 | somiaj: lsmod|grep rtl shows the module with 0 next to it |
| 00:47.29 | somiaj | josh9: hmm was just making sure you didn't have some rtlwifi module |
| 00:47.30 | josh9 | somiaj: ok. thanks! |
| 00:47.39 | josh9 | i do! |
| 00:47.44 | josh9 | somiaj: i have rtlwifi |
| 00:48.09 | josh9 | and trl18192c_common |
| 00:48.24 | josh9 | and mac80211 |
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| 00:49.46 | somiaj | josh9: I still saw a failed to load firmware issue but no other info that that. I hope that the module rtl8192ce was enough to get it to reload the firmware correctly. Though I hate this advise, if you reboot you can ensure all the modules load with seeing the firmware. |
| 00:50.20 | somiaj | josh9: but first I would run rfkill and see if you can get it to turn off the kill switch, man rfkill (I don't have it insatlled on my desktop so I cannot figure out the syntax for you) |
| 00:50.34 | rawsted | i have a webcam i'm trying to turn into an IR surveillance camera for a project. the cam itself (video device) works fine with gspca, but i don't know how to control/turn on the LEDs. any pointers? |
| 00:50.41 | josh9 | somiaj: ok. thanks a lot |
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| 00:53.13 | nvz | rawsted: google *shrug* |
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| 00:55.46 | rami | Hello, I am getting this error when I try to install anything: "libc6-dev : Breaks: gcc-4.4 (< 4.4.6-4) but 4.4.5-8 is to be installed" whats the proper course of action here? |
| 00:55.49 | jhutchins_lt | rawsted: That's going to depend on the model of the web cam. To the google! |
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| 00:57.44 | rawsted | nvz, jhutchins_lt: hercules deluxe optical glass, by guillemot corp. i've googled for about an hour and not come up with much |
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| 00:58.10 | jhutchins_lt | rawsted: See what lsusb says it is. |
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| 00:58.13 | bzed | rawsted: better run lsusb and google for the vendor/produc t ids |
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| 00:58.34 | somiaj | rami: are you mixing versions of debian, what version of debian are you running? |
| 00:58.38 | jhutchins_lt | rawsted: Yes, sometimes the raw eight-character ID will give results. |
| 00:58.39 | rawsted | jhutchins_lt, bzed: Bus 001 Device 004: ID 06f8:3008 Guillemot Corp. ; googling now |
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| 01:00.51 | rami | somiaj, I was on Squeeze and wanted to upgrade to Wheezy |
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| 01:09.43 | jhutchins_lt | rami: wheezy is not an upgrade, it is an experiment. |
| 01:11.14 | rami | jhutchins_lt, I changed every instance in sources.list of Squeeze to Wheezy |
| 01:11.43 | abrotman | and did you actually complete thge upgrade process ? |
| 01:11.45 | somiaj | rami: what did you do after that? |
| 01:12.33 | PerfDave | rami: I would not recommend running Wheezy if you cannot diagnose and fix that problem yourself. |
| 01:12.57 | rami | somiaj, a dist-upgrade, iir |
| 01:16.15 | somiaj | rami: well something broke, you may have to manually fix the problems apt is telling you about with dpkg. Welcome to testing and have fun, just expect to track down and fix bugs when you run across them. Get familar with the bts and install apt-listbugs is useful as well. |
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| 01:17.09 | abrotman | !tell rami about squeeze- |
| 01:17.12 | abrotman | !tell rami about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 01:27.15 | elpolloloco | has anyone here successfully installed debian in a dual-boot setup on the 2011 macmini without using refit? |
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| 01:29.07 | nvz | elpolloloco: http://wiki.debian.org/MacMiniIntel |
| 01:30.19 | nvz | elpolloloco: its not quite up to speed with the very latest hardware but its a start |
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| 01:31.48 | nvz | elpolloloco: see also http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnIntelMacPro as it mentions refit |
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| 02:01.44 | Dev0n_ | anyone here done nic boding ? |
| 02:02.20 | Dev0n_ | just wondering if setting lacp-rate to 1 will be some advantage |
| 02:03.06 | Black | Nic bonding? |
| 02:03.40 | Dev0n_ | yea, like link aggregation |
| 02:04.06 | Black | Look at linux advanced routing and traffic control doc |
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| 02:15.27 | nvz | sounds kinky |
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| 02:19.21 | darsie | how can I manually install packages during debian install? |
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| 02:21.15 | somiaj | darsie: what do you mean? After the base isntall is done you can just install packages normally. |
| 02:21.31 | darsie | how? |
| 02:21.45 | darsie | there's apt-install |
| 02:21.51 | darsie | didn't work. |
| 02:22.17 | darsie | grub failed to install. |
| 02:22.59 | darsie | then I tried lilo. Couldn't install the lilo package, IIRC. Then grub package couldn't be installed. |
| 02:23.01 | somiaj | darsie: so you were at the last step and grub failed to install itself on the mbr? |
| 02:23.09 | darsie | yes |
| 02:23.35 | darsie | it picked the wrong hd (the netinstall USB stick). |
| 02:24.24 | Josh___ | Hi, I have a primary partition followed by an extended partion(swap,/,ntfs). Can I extend my primary into the swap and / partition? |
| 02:24.34 | somiaj | that doesn't mean that the grub package didn't install, that means that grub didn't install on the mbr correctly. You can hit alt-f2 to open another console, then chroot into your install and run grub from there. |
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| 02:25.11 | darsie | Didn't work, IIRC. |
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| 02:26.11 | somiaj | Josh___: on the standard mbr partition you can have 4 primary partitions. (note one primary gets used to create the extended partions), so yes you could make another primary partition and put swap on it |
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| 02:27.07 | somiaj | darsie: can you boot up off your usb stick, then mount and chroot into your install? From there you can use your install to fix/install grub in the correct spot |
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| 02:27.33 | Josh___ | somiaj: so extending my primary into the logical swap would have no effect on my logical NTFS? thats all im worried about |
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| 02:27.57 | somiaj | Josh___: I would just make a new primary partition (don't extend your current one) |
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| 02:29.21 | darsie | somiaj: I did reboot, but I took the installer too far and it started installing the base system and failed. Now I'm afraid the installation might be corrupt. |
| 02:29.37 | somiaj | darsie: I'd just restart the install then. |
| 02:29.43 | Josh___ | somiaj: ok thank you |
| 02:29.55 | darsie | So my plan was to delete everything except /var/cach/apt/archives and restart. |
| 02:30.12 | darsie | I would have preferred to use mc to delete the rest... |
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| 02:30.39 | somiaj | darsie: do you have extra room on that usb flash drive you could just backit up to as well (then copy it in before running tasksel) |
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| 02:31.06 | somiaj | darsie: but yes keeping that will sure keep you from having to redownload everything -- though have you installed much more than the base system? |
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| 02:31.40 | darsie | well, yes, desktop environment, laptop, ... |
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| 02:32.23 | darsie | actually, the d/l took only 15 mins ... not really worth much fussing ... |
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| 02:35.17 | darsie | I'd like the uninit_bg mkfs option. Is that default during install? |
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| 02:35.57 | jenia | hello. |
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| 02:36.09 | jenia | i cannot use the trackpoint on my debian |
| 02:36.09 | Black | Hello jenia |
| 02:36.30 | jenia | did anyone encountered that problem? |
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| 02:37.23 | jenia | i followed all the tutorials on the net and nothing. plus the program configure trackpoint says tha trackpoint was not detected |
| 02:37.37 | somiaj | darsie: use the expert (show all options) install. If you need just hit alt-f2 and you can just run a manual mkfs command and tell the installer not to format |
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| 02:38.48 | darsie | how do I select expert? |
| 02:40.29 | somiaj | darsie: I belive in the boot menu at the start its an option you can select, you can hit f1-f6 to get different helps. |
| 02:41.15 | darsie | nope, it starts right to the installer with the language selection. |
| 02:41.33 | darsie | at least the installer I put on the USB stick. |
| 02:42.04 | somiaj | been a while since I've actually used an installer, but I recall there was a preboot screen in which you can chose different options (like graphical vs text, expert mode, rescue, etc) |
| 02:42.30 | darsie | in knoppix |
| 02:42.35 | darsie | maybe in debian live |
| 02:42.43 | darsie | have not used that. |
| 02:43.21 | darsie | Maybe the debian CDs. |
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| 02:44.36 | darsie | Maybe I could select expert as kernel option. |
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| 02:46.58 | somiaj | I'm talkinga bout the default debain install hybrid iso. |
| 02:47.10 | somiaj | though I have only used it from a cd |
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| 03:29.51 | hikenboot1 | how do i tell the possible checkout points that exist from lets say the last 2 weeks? |
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| 03:31.02 | nvz | uh... what? |
| 03:31.51 | hikenboot1 | git checkout <....some branch number> I want a list of the branches from the last 2 weeks |
| 03:33.07 | nvz | oh.. nfc |
| 03:33.21 | hikenboot1 | someone added checkpoints to the repository in the last 2 weeks that is causing it not to compile |
| 03:33.35 | hikenboot1 | it as in the source code |
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| 03:34.04 | nvz | only version system I have any experience with is mercurial and code.google.com |
| 03:34.21 | nvz | and c.g.o makes that sort of thing REAL easy even shows color coded diffs |
| 03:34.23 | hikenboot1 | well thanks for the try to help anyways its appreciated |
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| 03:34.38 | nvz | normally there would be a lot of git users here.. slow tonight though |
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| 03:34.53 | nvz | would help to mention what you're talking about in a question though.. heh |
| 03:35.12 | hikenboot1 | I know i am impatient thats why i ask this will probably all be a fix in history by January 2nd |
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| 03:35.37 | hikenboot1 | trying to compile spl |
| 03:35.48 | hikenboot1 | for use with zfs |
| 03:36.11 | nvz | google has an answer |
| 03:36.20 | hikenboot1 | no i am afraid it dont |
| 03:36.33 | nvz | git whatchanged --since="2 weeks ago" |
| 03:36.36 | nvz | is what google told me |
| 03:36.56 | hikenboot1 | oh thanks! |
| 03:37.06 | nvz | no problem |
| 03:37.48 | nvz | your issue is with asking questions.. heh. I asked google "git checkout last 2 weeks" and it was in the summary of the first result |
| 03:38.42 | hikenboot1 | yes i am not the god of google but I try to work at getting there |
| 03:39.14 | nvz | well google is a great resource but there are many many tools out there that do things far more powerful than even google |
| 03:39.31 | nvz | wolfram alpha, wayback machine.. etc |
| 03:40.09 | nvz | I'm still learning to use wolfram alpha and been using it for about 2 years now |
| 03:40.24 | hikenboot1 | nvz what tools might they be I am interested...very interested |
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| 03:41.03 | nvz | hikenboot1: are you familiar with any of the wolfram tools? |
| 03:41.24 | nvz | hikenboot1: because wolframalpha.com is all of them combined in one computational knowledge engine |
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| 03:44.06 | nvz | hell I just learned about wikipedia2text a couple days ago and still haven't come up with an interesting way to use it yet.. heh |
| 03:44.08 | devnill1 | how can I check my rsa key fingerprint? |
| 03:44.08 | hikenboot1 | no but i will look it up |
| 03:44.20 | darsie | is there any reason to use extended/logical partitions except added flexibility? |
| 03:44.42 | nvz | darsie: you can only have 4 primary partitions, the extended partition containing the logical counting as one |
| 03:45.15 | somiaj | darsie: you can only have 4 primary partitions, so that is the main use is to go beyond 4. |
| 03:45.24 | dvs | darsie: if you want more than 4 partitions |
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| 03:45.48 | darsie | ok. Su if I'm happy with 4 partitions, then all primary is just fine, right? |
| 03:45.54 | devnill1 | yeah |
| 03:45.57 | darsie | ok |
| 03:45.58 | dvs | sure |
| 03:46.16 | devnill1 | A lot of people use LVM these days to manage partitions though |
| 03:46.30 | devnill1 | it makes life a lot easier if you think you might be resizing and creating more later |
| 03:46.31 | nvz | devnill1: ssh localhost |
| 03:46.33 | darsie | yep, I'm a bit afraid of that. |
| 03:46.40 | nvz | is the first thing that comes to mind.. heh |
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| 03:46.59 | devnill1 | ssh localhost seems pretty hacky? |
| 03:47.21 | nvz | greetings somiaj, dvs.. nice of you to chime in after I already answered all the questions.. heh |
| 03:47.33 | devnill1 | And i've already done it before so it won't give it to me |
| 03:47.34 | dvs | no prob! |
| 03:48.08 | nvz | devnill1: uh.. rm ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 03:48.58 | devnill1 | oh good idea |
| 03:48.59 | devnill1 | that works |
| 03:50.01 | nvz | devnill1: ssh-keygen -lf <keyfile> should do it as well |
| 03:50.17 | nvz | I'm just not sure where the key is stored and it was easier to just say ssh localhost |
| 03:50.20 | devnill1 | I wasn't sure where the file is stored for the system wide key |
| 03:50.30 | simonlnu | /etc/ssh |
| 03:50.30 | nvz | yeah.. my point exactly.. heh |
| 03:50.39 | devnill1 | but removing the listing in known host worked |
| 03:50.43 | nvz | damn, seriously? |
| 03:51.01 | nvz | just had people asking questions I hadn't a f'n clue about and now everyone is here when I've already answered em all |
| 03:51.04 | simonlnu | it'll tell you which line is the offending one |
| 03:51.35 | simonlnu | i usually just open it in vim or nano and kill the line |
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| 03:52.12 | devnill1 | pff |
| 03:52.14 | devnill1 | <3 emacs |
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| 03:52.20 | devnill1 | nanos ok too I suppose |
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| 03:52.37 | simonlnu | open emacs to edit 1 line in a file? overkill |
| 03:52.48 | devnill1 | hence nano |
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| 03:52.53 | simonlnu | yes =) |
| 03:52.56 | devnill1 | But I keep it in a screen anyways |
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| 03:53.09 | simonlnu | ah well, that's different. |
| 03:53.44 | Zeranoe | What terminal application can I use to format disks/flash drives? |
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| 03:54.06 | nvz | Zeranoe: mkfs |
| 03:54.10 | devnill1 | mkfs.fs |
| 03:54.40 | simonlnu | there's no all-in-one util to do that, if you want to also edit the partitions, unless you're a parted whiz ;p. |
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| 03:57.30 | nvz | was experimenting with nvlc yesterday.. if you run it in xterm the video still displays in a seperate x window, if I do it on console it glitches the ncurses frontend keeps trying to draw over the video |
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| 03:57.59 | nvz | not that I do much watching video in ASCII but... thought that was a bit weird |
| 03:58.31 | nvz | hmm.. I wonder if the wall plugin works with colored ASCII output |
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| 04:02.11 | nvz | too late, already hackin your IP.. heh |
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| 04:03.52 | nvz | jetscreamer: relax, I was kidding :-P |
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| 04:05.40 | josh9 | I installed squeeze netinst on levovo laptop with AMD Radeon HD 6310. I installed the following from backports: linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64, xorg, xserver-xorg-video-radeon and firmware-linux-nonfree. I reboot and pick 2.6.39-bpo from grub. startx crashes with the message: 'failed to load module ati, vesa and fbdev. fatal server error: no screen found'. Here is Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/17aJLVYD |
| 04:05.42 | josh9 | any help would be appreciated. |
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| 04:07.49 | jetscreamer | relaxes |
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| 04:10.08 | nvz | josh9: you've been here off and on all day with pretty much the same issue.. I say we backpedal a bit |
| 04:10.10 | Zeranoe | Does anyone know what package cfdisk comes with? Or mkfs? |
| 04:10.50 | josh9 | nvz: i had similar issue, so reinstall debian. but this time it's amd64 |
| 04:11.01 | mosno | Zeranoe: use apt-file to find out |
| 04:11.03 | josh9 | and 2.6.39 kernel |
| 04:11.13 | nvz | first off, I'm operating on some old knowledge.. does debian now do some kind of automatic pinning to prevent people from screwing up their system pulling xorg drivers like josh9 did? |
| 04:11.25 | somiaj | Zeranoe: util-linux for cfdisk, and e2fsprogs for mkfs.ext2-4 |
| 04:11.29 | somiaj | !tell Zeranoe about search |
| 04:11.36 | Black | Zeranoe, use dpkg -S |
| 04:11.37 | nvz | because I can vision how he's running a frankensien system and would explain why it doesnt work |
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| 04:12.03 | josh9 | nvz: i am cool with reinstalling debian and not getting 2.6.39 |
| 04:12.04 | Zeranoe | Thanks everyone |
| 04:12.18 | dvs | josh9: the module should be "radeon" |
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| 04:12.30 | nvz | josh9: first off, if you installed the radeon xorg package, why is it looking for "ati" instead of "radeon"? did you not set the Xorg.conf or did you just let it detect it? |
| 04:12.53 | josh9 | nvz: i didn't touch xorg.conf by hand |
| 04:12.53 | dvs | ha i'm first now |
| 04:13.24 | nvz | yeah well I'm trying to make sure he's not pulled in half of backports first |
| 04:13.25 | nvz | version differences in X and related libs could be a disaster |
| 04:13.51 | dvs | josh9: rename it if one exists and reboot |
| 04:14.08 | josh9 | dvs: sorry. rename what? |
| 04:14.16 | dvs | xorg,conf |
| 04:14.22 | josh9 | dvs: ok |
| 04:14.32 | nvz | xorg.conf doesn't exist if he didnt touch it |
| 04:15.28 | nvz | on second thought, I will withdraw from this issue as I've already heard it all earlier and ATI graphics and backported X drivers is way beyond my scope |
| 04:15.32 | josh9 | nvz: is it suppose to be in /etc/X11? i don't see it there |
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| 04:15.41 | nvz | josh9: yes, and it doesnt exist by default |
| 04:16.30 | josh9 | nvz: ok. do u think i'll have more luck not installing 2.6.39? and trying whatever kernel comes with squeeze? |
| 04:16.56 | nvz | josh9: idk, sounded to me like you had multiple hardware issues.. is there a reason why you're pulling stuff from backports? |
| 04:17.08 | simonlnu | nvz: no, pinning has been and probably will always be manual |
| 04:17.37 | nvz | simonlnu: so any experience on the subject as to what could've been broken pulling the radeon driver for xorg from backports? |
| 04:17.41 | josh9 | nvz: somenoe told me (6 months ago) that my radeon hardware is not supported by the kernel that comes with squeeze. |
| 04:17.43 | simonlnu | josh9: squeeze runs off an auto-generated xorg.conf |
| 04:17.47 | nvz | simonlnu: if anything that is |
| 04:17.53 | Zeranoe | Interesting, /sbin is not in the $PATH so that is why I couldn't find it. Is /sbin normally in the $PATH? |
| 04:18.01 | nvz | wouldn't that effectively upgrade all of X? |
| 04:18.09 | josh9 | nvz: but it might be an issue with multiple screens. maybe i'll try to keep the original kernel. |
| 04:18.13 | simonlnu | depends. is it new hw or something? |
| 04:18.18 | nvz | Zeranoe: are you root? |
| 04:18.23 | Zeranoe | nvz: No |
| 04:18.41 | simonlnu | only a root login shell gets the /sbin dirs |
| 04:18.48 | simonlnu | by default |
| 04:18.57 | josh9 | nvz: simonlnu i'll try installing debian again, this time i'll not pull newer kernel. |
| 04:19.13 | devnill1 | Its not too hard to rebuild your kernel either |
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| 04:19.19 | nvz | simonlnu: just checked on this machine, apparently in ubuntu normal users get /sbin in $PATH. heh |
| 04:19.27 | simonlnu | josh9: it's better to just get the machine established first, then you can go messing around |
| 04:19.28 | Zeranoe | Ah, so it only contains applications that require root privileges? |
| 04:19.45 | simonlnu | yes, but we're not ubuntu here ;) |
| 04:20.07 | josh9 | simonlnu: ok. what's the easiest way to bring it to clean state? reinstall or just remove the new kernel? |
| 04:20.16 | simonlnu | Zeranoe: not always, just more "system binaries", or "sysadmin binaries" |
| 04:20.18 | nvz | beats Zeranoe with the FHS |
| 04:20.43 | simonlnu | josh9: install old one first, then remove new |
| 04:20.45 | simonlnu | !fhs |
| 04:20.46 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier". |
| 04:21.17 | Zeranoe | haha, thank you. |
| 04:21.54 | sedulous | where can I find "libevent-1.4-2 (>= 1.4.14b-stable)" for amd64? |
| 04:22.10 | sedulous | (icedove from experimental depends on it) |
| 04:22.16 | nvz | heh |
| 04:22.52 | josh9 | simonlnu: ok. in dpkg i see linux-image-2.6-amd64, i assume i should keep that and purge the one ending with -bpo.2-amd64. |
| 04:23.10 | simonlnu | yeh |
| 04:23.13 | josh9 | ok |
| 04:23.17 | nvz | sedulous: if you use testing/unstable/experimental then you need to know what you're doing. chances are the package you want doesn't exist for your system.. |
| 04:23.47 | nvz | sedulous: perhaps you should not use experimental packages and ask for help with your real issue, shiny new software syndrome |
| 04:24.07 | devnill1 | hey, I like shiney |
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| 04:24.17 | devnill1 | nothing wrong with compiling a couple binaries |
| 04:24.28 | sedulous | nvz: i've been using sid for several years without major problems. are you saying i should use stable because I cannot find one single dependency? |
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| 04:25.20 | devnill1 | 1) does the new one give any features? 2) does the old one have any major sec holes that apply to your system? |
| 04:25.34 | devnill1 | 3) do you mind dealing with trouble shooting bugs |
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| 04:26.40 | devnill1 | if your answers are yes, try this: http://libevent.org/ |
| 04:26.53 | nvz | sedulous: no, you should use stable because you don't know enough about resolving issues.. first thing comes to my mind is a backport, but since you're on sid and reaching even higher thats not an option, second thought is equivs and whatever version you can get, rebuilding the package without the dependancy, losing whatever functionality it provides, or doing without |
| 04:26.55 | simonlnu | !equivs |
| 04:26.55 | dpkg | equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. aptitude install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>. |
| 04:27.00 | josh9 | simonlnu: i removed the bpo kernel and rebooted. now i am on 2.6.32-5amd64. startx gives me similar error. |
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| 04:27.44 | nvz | simonlnu: ;) |
| 04:27.48 | devnill1 | what is the error josh? |
| 04:27.54 | devnill1 | no screens found? |
| 04:27.58 | josh9 | yeah |
| 04:28.06 | simonlnu | josh9: what *is* the error? read the whole thing |
| 04:28.07 | josh9 | failed to load ati, vesa |
| 04:28.09 | josh9 | fbdev |
| 04:28.12 | simonlnu | !no screens found |
| 04:28.13 | dpkg | hmm... no screens found is not a useful message - it means X11 has a problem somewhere with something. Read your /var/log/Xorg.0.log more closely, and look for the real error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about <troubleshooting x>. |
| 04:28.24 | devnill1 | that is generally misconfiguration of your x conf |
| 04:28.27 | nvz | the error is he still hasn't put "radeon" in the xorg.conf |
| 04:28.39 | devnill1 | do you have drivers installed? |
| 04:28.50 | sedulous | nvz: I do know how to build my own packages. The point is not to reinvent the wheel (wasting time with packaging) if it's already available. It's the last resort. |
| 04:29.07 | simonlnu | X -configure; editor /root/.xorg.conf.new; |
| 04:29.10 | josh9 | devnill1: i installed firmware-linux-nonfree from backports |
| 04:29.10 | devnill1 | sedulous: have you looked on the site? |
| 04:29.37 | devnill1 | are those the correct drivers for your machine josh9? |
| 04:29.45 | josh9 | devnill1: i also installed xserver-xorg-video-radeon from backports |
| 04:29.45 | sedulous | devnill1: yes, and I will build it manually since it doesn't seem to exist in any repository. |
| 04:29.55 | nvz | sedulous: well if you wanna keep doing things this way kudos.. you will get little help with things tagged to keep people who dont know better away.. a.k.a. unstable or experimental. if you knew what you were doing you could probably get whatever it is you're after in unstable and experimental in stable |
| 04:30.25 | nvz | sedulous: the options I already described... best one is to use equivs to satisfy the dependency |
| 04:30.39 | josh9 | devnill1: it's what i'll been told. i don't know if they are correct or not. is there a place that tells me - here are the packages you neeed for your laptop? |
| 04:30.56 | devnill1 | I have to agree with nvz on equivs |
| 04:31.05 | nvz | in the future, consider going back to stable and asking for help with specific issues as they arise and learn the ins and outs of debian before thinking about using unstable and experimental |
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| 04:31.16 | devnill1 | and the dependency seems to be old anyways |
| 04:31.29 | devnill1 | what card do you use josh9? |
| 04:31.29 | josh9 | nvz: are u talking to me? |
| 04:31.45 | nvz | josh9: no, not that you'd listen if i were :-P |
| 04:31.58 | josh9 | Radeon HD 6310 |
| 04:32.02 | josh9 | devnill1: ^ |
| 04:32.27 | josh9 | (: |
| 04:32.29 | nvz | you've been here all day with the same issue which I'm not even sure is an issue.. from what I gathered someone told you your hardware wont work and you have been doing everything imaginable to try make it work other than just using it as-is and seeing if it works |
| 04:33.21 | devnill1 | did you get a driver from amd's site |
| 04:33.26 | josh9 | nvz: i just want my awesome debian laptop to work. i don't care what kernel.. |
| 04:33.32 | josh9 | devnill1: no |
| 04:33.36 | devnill1 | ... |
| 04:33.39 | devnill1 | there you go |
| 04:33.46 | nvz | this kernel, that kernel. blah blah blah.. just try starting X with the driver for radeon cards.. coincidentally named radeon.. for starters.. heh |
| 04:33.53 | somiaj | josh9: you have to use the backported kernel for that I'm fairly sure. What did you uninstall after the work to get it to work eariler? |
| 04:33.54 | devnill1 | its almost never the kernel |
| 04:34.16 | devnill1 | when a kernel ships it is compiled with so many modules so anything will run |
| 04:34.29 | nvz | somiaj: he completely reinstalled debian since earlier and seemed to try follow the same steps to pull the bpo kernel and radeon xorg driver |
| 04:34.55 | josh9 | i used to have 32-bit installed with kernel 38 |
| 04:34.56 | devnill1 | its a notebook correct? |
| 04:35.05 | nvz | why thats being done is unclear to me |
| 04:35.06 | somiaj | nvz: ahh, and here I thought I almost got him to the point it will work. he has an amd fusion I think so needs a newer kernel to get support for the card. |
| 04:35.14 | josh9 | now i installed amd64 bit and installed 39, and removed the 39. |
| 04:35.35 | somiaj | josh9: why did you remove the backport kernel, that is the one you will need for that fusion chip, I doubt squeeze has support for it. |
| 04:35.38 | josh9 | and now i am on 32-5-amd64 |
| 04:35.42 | nvz | somiaj: perhaps, near as I can tell he's never even tried to load the radeon driver in X or the kernel.. so thats yet to be determined as I am concerned |
| 04:35.50 | devnill1 | http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx |
| 04:35.55 | devnill1 | ^josh9 |
| 04:36.00 | devnill1 | install that and report back |
| 04:36.15 | devnill1 | x is really good at auto configuration these days. |
| 04:36.15 | josh9 | somiaj: i followed someone's instruction 5 minutes ago.. |
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| 04:36.38 | devnill1 | somiaj: he is using the default drivers... |
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| 04:36.46 | devnill1 | thats why x won't run. |
| 04:36.46 | nvz | !tell josh9 about xorg.conf |
| 04:37.08 | nvz | use that info to make an xorg.conf, and set the driver to radeon, then if it fails post log to paste.debian.net |
| 04:37.11 | josh9 | i am a bit confused and overwhelmed at the moment. |
| 04:37.23 | nvz | cause until you actually try use the driver FOR that card, we dont know anything |
| 04:37.24 | somiaj | devnill1: http://pci-ids.ucw.cz/read/PC/1002/9802 -- from eariler that is the pcid of the card he has, and if that is correct I dont' think default squeeze supports the Funsion chip |
| 04:37.38 | nvz | does anyone disagree with what i just said? heh |
| 04:37.45 | devnill1 | well without the driver it undoubtedly won't run |
| 04:37.54 | somiaj | for the radeon card he shouldn't need a custom xorg, a blank file should work fine |
| 04:38.12 | devnill1 | you don't even need a config for xorg?!? |
| 04:38.12 | nvz | somiaj: its trying to load ati, says its not found, then defaults back to vesa and such |
| 04:38.15 | somiaj | though the output from his Xorg.0.log from a starup would be nice. |
| 04:38.24 | nvz | which makes me think pulling the bpo xorg driver also screwed something up |
| 04:38.34 | nvz | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/17aJLVYD |
| 04:38.41 | nvz | that has been provided ^ |
| 04:39.04 | nvz | this is why for now I'm saying make a config and say radeon explicitly |
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| 04:39.24 | devnill1 | josh9: heres a easy fix. 1) apt-get the newest stable linux kernel for your architecture 2) install the driver i linked 3) it will work |
| 04:39.26 | nvz | I dont know what pulling a single driver for xorg from bpo does, but I'm thinkin it will break stuff |
| 04:40.02 | nvz | ,versions xserver-xorg |
| 04:40.03 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.3+20; squeeze: 1:7.5+8; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1:7.5+8+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1:7.5+8+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1:7.6+8~bpo60+1; sid: 1:7.6+10; wheezy: 1:7.6+10 |
| 04:40.04 | DasEi | devnill1: changed about some releases ago, went from modules to kernel (though dedicated drivers with xorg not only work, but are still my favourite way), but I sit back, too many cooks will just salt the soup |
| 04:40.21 | josh9 | devnill1: i am currently using 2.6.32-5 is this fine? |
| 04:40.35 | somiaj | yea I see its not trying to load the radeon driver that is strange. oh well a simple config file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d that just loads the driver should be sufficent (no reason to create a whole file) |
| 04:40.41 | nvz | as you can see there are version incompatibilities between squeeze and squeeze-backports |
| 04:40.54 | somiaj | josh9: I don't think so, I belive you need a newer kernel cause of the Fusion apu. |
| 04:41.33 | nvz | $DEITY only knows what happened when he said -t squeeze-backports xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 04:41.36 | josh9 | somiaj: ok |
| 04:41.39 | devnill1 | I'm sure the amd driver will tell him that somiaj |
| 04:41.49 | devnill1 | josh9: just do the driver first |
| 04:42.03 | josh9 | devnill1: ok |
| 04:42.11 | devnill1 | worst thing to happen is that it can fail. If you don't know what you are doing it's unwise to try a bunch of random stuff. |
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| 04:42.33 | nvz | he should've done that before doing anything from backports |
| 04:42.36 | somiaj | devnill1: yea I'm was trying to help him get teh free radeon driver working. If you awnt to try to get him using the fglrx that is a differnt story. |
| 04:43.21 | devnill1 | who cares if its 'free' software? I doubt he is using it on a computer where licensing is an issue since he is asking on #debian |
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| 04:43.38 | devnill1 | amd has drivers, they are designed to work |
| 04:44.02 | josh9 | i am downloading AMD Catalyst™ 11.11 Proprietary Linux x86 Display Driver |
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| 04:45.05 | devnill1 | I'm sure that will work. If not, apt-get the newest kernel since it sounds like you are running something non-standard as it is |
| 04:45.27 | devnill1 | alternatively if you want to feel accomplished you can download the source and compile it yourself. |
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| 04:46.01 | somiaj | devnill1: though on debian installing the files directly from ati and not using the debian fglrx packages isn't suggested. I don't care if he wants to use fglrx or not, my experience is the radeon driver is just fine and is usually easier to get working. |
| 04:46.34 | nvz | by the look of it, xserver-xorg-video-radeon does in fact break stuff if pulled from bpo |
| 04:46.38 | josh9 | guys, i have the ati-driver-installler-blabla.run how do i install that? |
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| 04:47.05 | nvz | cause sure its compiled against the same libc, but it pulls in a new libdrm2 and new xorg-core |
| 04:47.07 | josh9 | and btw, thank you so much for helping. |
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| 04:47.29 | jetscreamer | chmod +x blah.run && sh blah.run iirc |
| 04:47.33 | josh9 | ok |
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| 04:48.09 | jetscreamer | ati is a pita the way i remember it.. nvidia just slides in |
| 04:48.17 | nvz | which means for those of you not paying attention, that all other drivers and I mean ALL are not the same version as the core xorg |
| 04:48.47 | josh9 | it ask me 1 or 2. 1 is install driver 8.92 on xorg 6.9 or later |
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| 04:49.00 | josh9 | 2 is generate distribution specific driver package |
| 04:49.02 | jetscreamer | drumroll please |
| 04:49.03 | josh9 | my guess - 1 |
| 04:49.07 | josh9 | (: |
| 04:49.12 | nvz | rolls his eyes |
| 04:49.16 | jetscreamer | i think you're trying for #1 personally |
| 04:49.19 | jetscreamer | i dunno |
| 04:49.28 | nvz | I think you're trying not to solve this issue |
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| 04:49.38 | jetscreamer | you're right, i'm not trying |
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| 04:49.47 | nvz | jetscreamer: not you.. heh.. I know you're not |
| 04:49.48 | jetscreamer | ati is not my thing |
| 04:49.53 | nvz | nor mine |
| 04:49.58 | josh9 | ok. installing |
| 04:50.15 | josh9 | i see fglrx/build_mod blablabla |
| 04:50.19 | nvz | but he's now installing yet another driver this time one that is norotius for breaking shit worse than the last and not working |
| 04:50.19 | jetscreamer | he's been at this for over 12 hours that i know of |
| 04:50.22 | josh9 | c header files |
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| 04:50.32 | jetscreamer | cept it was installing this morning |
| 04:50.33 | nvz | and still hasn't just tried using the damn radeon driver |
| 04:50.38 | jetscreamer | so he's making progress i guess |
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| 04:50.43 | josh9 | ok done. |
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| 04:50.53 | nvz | progress at f'n up this machine.. heh |
| 04:50.55 | devnill1 | startx? |
| 04:50.56 | josh9 | i also have a log file if you want. |
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| 04:51.13 | josh9 | workd. awesome wm! |
| 04:51.13 | devnill1 | if it let you install without warning it should work. |
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| 04:51.28 | devnill1 | all he needed was the driver :P |
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| 04:51.34 | devnill1 | gj #debian! |
| 04:51.37 | josh9 | easy peasy |
| 04:52.01 | jetscreamer | okie dokie |
| 04:52.32 | josh9 | guys, is there anything else i should worrry about ? no need the recent kernel, right? |
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| 04:52.44 | nvz | I'll wait to read the next 100 issues.. cause he's got a bunch of bastardized xorg packages |
| 04:52.47 | jetscreamer | somebody upgrade him to sid... :) |
| 04:52.47 | nvz | heh |
| 04:53.14 | devnill1 | type apt-get autoremove |
| 04:53.19 | josh9 | devnill1: ok |
| 04:53.21 | jetscreamer | seriously, this morining he had a non working system |
| 04:53.28 | jetscreamer | good job josh9 |
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| 04:54.01 | josh9 | jetscreamer: thanks you and everyone else here that rether be with me instead of sharing good time with their families! |
| 04:55.08 | devnill1 | :P |
| 04:55.28 | devnill1 | now install wine and see if it runs crysis! |
| 04:55.37 | nvz | heh |
| 04:55.39 | devnill1 | 12 hours later maybe that will work too :) |
| 04:55.57 | josh9 | i think i need to figure out wireless. trying it now. |
| 04:55.58 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 04:56.06 | devnill1 | uhoh |
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| 04:56.23 | josh9 | first issue - no wlan showing up on ifconfig |
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| 04:56.37 | devnill1 | does anyone remember when setting x up was a manual process? |
| 04:56.46 | somiaj | devnill1: I still write my own xorg.conf file |
| 04:56.56 | somiaj | though I recentally split it up into xorg.conf.d snippets |
| 04:56.56 | devnill1 | neat, I haven't had x in years |
| 04:57.07 | josh9 | devnill1: what do u use instead? |
| 04:57.11 | nvz | I remember when playing a computer game was punching in 10+ pages of machine codes from a book/magazine |
| 04:57.20 | nvz | only to have the dumbest game ever |
| 04:57.21 | devnill1 | I have a mac with a terminal to my server |
| 04:57.39 | devnill1 | I do everything remotely and don't run x for security reasons |
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| 04:58.22 | devnill1 | I've been thinking about trying ubuntu though. I hear it has pretty good support on macs |
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| 04:58.50 | yagoo | devnill1, that's bs |
| 04:58.56 | nvz | I recently switched to ubuntu on this netbook and even staying 1 release behind I regret it |
| 04:59.05 | devnill1 | how so yagoo? |
| 04:59.09 | devnill1 | you have a mbp? |
| 04:59.16 | yagoo | devnill1, you use refit for installing any generic linux |
| 04:59.24 | devnill1 | oh? |
| 04:59.40 | yagoo | not for installing persay, but it's a tool you use for help booting into linux |
| 04:59.56 | devnill1 | won't bootcamp work? |
| 04:59.57 | yagoo | (refit is only for mac hardware) |
| 05:00.02 | yagoo | you don't even need bootcamp |
| 05:00.14 | devnill1 | I still want to keep osx though |
| 05:00.17 | yagoo | i think bootcamp is bloatware |
| 05:00.17 | devnill1 | is that possible? |
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| 05:00.21 | yagoo | ya.. |
| 05:00.29 | devnill1 | bloatware? really? |
| 05:00.35 | yagoo | use mac dvd instaler disc to boot from, then resize the hfs+ partition |
| 05:00.36 | devnill1 | how bloated can a bootloader be? |
| 05:01.07 | jetscreamer | it's that extra bit |
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| 05:01.34 | devnill1 | I'm out of warranty, how stable is rEFIt? |
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| 05:01.49 | nvz | devnill1: the debian wiki has several pages related to macs http://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro |
| 05:01.49 | yagoo | devnill1, refit.sf.net |
| 05:02.11 | devnill1 | Cool, thanks! |
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| 05:02.38 | devnill1 | I've generally run ubuntu on my desktops since I stopped using slack ~6ish years ago |
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| 05:03.08 | nvz | wow I used slackware for about a week some 12 years or so ago |
| 05:03.25 | devnill1 | Its a great OS but is a lot of work |
| 05:03.35 | nvz | yeah.. it was interesting |
| 05:04.19 | devnill1 | Its all the plusses of bsd without the fact that its a crappy distro |
| 05:04.37 | nvz | this is both OT and pretty unrelated, but another project that caught my eye a while back was called slax.. seems to let you custom build a distro right from the website |
| 05:04.44 | nvz | never tried it, but seemed like a cool idea |
| 05:04.57 | devnill1 | Isn't that the live booting one? |
| 05:05.26 | devnill1 | heh, it looks nice! |
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| 05:06.12 | nvz | yeah you select modules much like debian's tasksel and then just download a tar or iso that is custom tailored |
| 05:06.31 | yagoo | devnill1, btw if you do want debian on your macbook whatever it is and it's really old, then you'll have to use yaboot rather than refit |
| 05:06.44 | yagoo | devnill1, (if i'm guessing your macbook is not intel) |
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| 05:07.01 | nvz | actually kinda surprised I tought it was so neat and bothered mentioning it, knew about it for several years now and never tried it.. heh |
| 05:08.32 | yagoo | thinks a new name for debian should be debiam -> Debian I am |
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| 05:09.31 | devnill1 | yagoo: its an intel unibody |
| 05:09.36 | devnill1 | Its pretty recent |
| 05:09.45 | devnill1 | late 2008-early 2009 |
| 05:10.01 | devnill1 | I just use very little gui intensive stuff |
| 05:10.10 | devnill1 | I really only need xfce |
| 05:10.26 | yagoo | sounds like you stole it.. you're the first person who has a mac that talks like this |
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| 05:11.33 | yagoo | devnill1, if you're that acquaint, you should know how to resize the hfs+ partition |
| 05:11.42 | devnill1 | I've already done that |
| 05:11.48 | devnill1 | I love my mac, I hate apple |
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| 05:11.58 | devnill1 | they make really rugged machines |
| 05:12.36 | devnill1 | I just don't like where they are taking the company. They have always been relatively friendly to the homebrew community |
| 05:12.50 | devnill1 | now everything is heading towards sandboxed apps |
| 05:13.34 | nvz | I dont like where computers in general are headed.. the look of windows 8, ubuntu's unity.. ugh.. its all just fugly |
| 05:13.50 | devnill1 | yeah pretty much. |
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| 05:14.02 | devnill1 | thats why god invented xwindows |
| 05:14.18 | nvz | but thats all just a reflection of the whole world going to shit.. in a cyclic system dependant upon unlimited resources which isnt the case |
| 05:14.31 | yagoo | devnill1, god doesn't exist.. anyways finish up your homework with refit and get an install going |
| 05:14.37 | yagoo | pff haha |
| 05:14.47 | devnill1 | lol nvz |
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| 05:28.26 | darsie | will an Acer Aspice One D257 Netbook keep running the debian installation if I close the lid? |
| 05:29.30 | nvz | darsie: well there is not anything in the installer that I'm aware of that'll suspend it.. as for the hardware I doubt it has an auto suspend feature |
| 05:29.47 | nvz | I have the ZG5 canadian model right here |
| 05:30.15 | darsie | nvz: And it also won't just power off? |
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| 05:30.28 | nvz | darsie: I highly doubt it |
| 05:30.35 | darsie | ok, I'll try it ... |
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| 05:30.49 | nvz | if it does you probably have a bigger problem.. heh |
| 05:31.09 | nvz | I am of course assuming your running the installer native not in a VM |
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| 05:31.29 | darsie | it's still running. |
| 05:31.34 | darsie | ok, good night. .. |
| 05:33.56 | nvz | doubt it will be any better than the day for me |
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| 05:34.28 | nvz | would like to have gone to sleep 12hrs ago.. hell never gotten up.. heh |
| 05:35.20 | nvz | idk what the point was of that kid sleeping in the other room.. took my pillow and left his crap all over my bed.. and would wake me up at the buttcrack of dawn anyhow.. so looks like I'm just not sleeping till after noon when he leaves |
| 05:35.31 | yagoo | nvz, well you should wake up, i heard people like to do boxing day and you should be ready for that |
| 05:35.51 | yagoo | gives nvz boxing gloves |
| 05:36.37 | nvz | o.O |
| 05:37.14 | nvz | idk what that is all about.. but I assure you I do not need gloves as if anyone tries to punch me they'd be in for a surprise |
| 05:37.58 | yagoo | well there's a reason why boxing day comes right after christmas. heaven one day, hell the next.. such a christmas spirit. |
| 05:38.09 | yagoo | that's why christmas sux. |
| 05:38.10 | yagoo | lol |
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| 05:38.49 | nvz | all holidays suck as far as I'm concerned.. its just another day where I need to get shit done and people are all acting stupid.. heh |
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| 05:39.13 | nvz | which is crazy, cause they are in fact stupid.. and do that all the time.. so whats the point? |
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| 05:39.43 | nvz | at least on non-holidays people are consistantly stupid and you can a bit more easily navigate around them |
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| 05:41.26 | WormFood | what are the -dbg packages supposed to do? I thought it would give me some useful info on a backtrace, but I was wrong, or I don't know how to use it. |
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| 05:43.03 | WormFood | shit! I see what I did wrong |
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| 05:54.23 | nvz | heh |
| 05:54.43 | nvz | I don't, continue your monologue :-P |
| 05:54.57 | kgoetz | he installed the wrong dbg package :p |
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| 06:45.54 | innociv | What ftp would someone recommend? I'm needing to make something where new users and their home dir are created via a web interface for the ftp. |
| 06:49.55 | paul | mm, guys. I've just remove wine with apt-get, but it still works.. how can this be?:) |
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| 06:50.27 | mosno | paul: if it was already running, then this is normal |
| 06:50.33 | streuner__ | look into /usr/local/bin? |
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| 06:52.12 | paul | streuner__, it's empty |
| 06:52.27 | streuner | well, its still in RAM then |
| 06:52.34 | paul | mosno, I don't think it was.. |
| 06:52.59 | paul | streuner, it's still in /home :) |
| 06:53.20 | streuner | paul, what does "dpkg -l <package>" say? |
| 06:53.39 | streuner | paul, /home doesnt count ;-) |
| 06:55.05 | paul | streuner, http://pastebin.com/Hq1c3XRA this |
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| 06:56.02 | streuner | paul, well, iam out of ideas then |
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| 06:57.03 | paul | hmm... |
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| 07:01.13 | WormFood | kgoetz, no, I didn't install the wrong package...I wasn't issuing the right commands :-[ |
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| 07:12.41 | WormFood | why does gthumb want to uninstall gnome in stable? It makes no sense. Did nobody check this? |
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| 07:17.14 | WormFood | does gthumb work for anyone in stable? It is always segfaulting on me. |
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| 07:18.12 | mute_ | anyone here? im getting error: incompatible license, grub rescue |
| 07:18.16 | mute_ | first time user |
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| 07:21.08 | WormFood | what the fuck? This is a fresh install of debian stable, and gthumb doesn't work! I can't seem to find anyone else with the same problem. Does gthumb work for anyone? |
| 07:21.44 | nvz | uses gqview |
| 07:22.10 | nvz | ... and I actually still use the lenny package cause geeqie sucks |
| 07:22.43 | WormFood | I've been using gthumb for a long time...and I've had problems before, but nothing like this. I've cleared all my settings associated withgthumb, but still it does not work. |
| 07:23.18 | nvz | one thing it does in particular is geeqie doesn't respect the size of my images I purposely made just to size windows.. heh.. geeqie shrinks it to fit between panels, gqview opens a new window the right size like I want |
| 07:24.07 | nvz | granted I use sawfish and could just override that, but thats not my problem.. heh |
| 07:24.07 | kingsley | WormFood: Have you searched the web for the exact error message you're getting? |
| 07:24.21 | kingsley | mute_: Have you searched the web for the exact error message you're getting? |
| 07:24.36 | nvz | what error? Segfault? heh |
| 07:24.40 | WormFood | kingsley, it is a segfault |
| 07:24.48 | nvz | cause when it does that you rarely get anything to go with it |
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| 07:25.27 | mute_ | yes kingsley, but thats the entire error. i dont know how i messed up grub from a graphical install. |
| 07:25.55 | WormFood | and a backtrace does not give me any usable data to google on (nothing relevant returned) |
| 07:26.16 | nvz | WormFood: I just realized he meant that for mute_ thought I'd fill you in too.. heh |
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| 07:26.33 | kingsley | mute_: What web pages with the error message, if any, did you find? |
| 07:26.54 | WormFood | hahaha....ok |
| 07:27.17 | mute_ | tutorific kingsley |
| 07:27.23 | nvz | WormFood: so.. we got a random segfault on a fresh install of stable eh? what changed? hardware? |
| 07:27.37 | WormFood | no change in hardware |
| 07:27.48 | kingsley | mute_: Please elaborate. |
| 07:27.53 | nvz | WormFood: then why a fresh install? |
| 07:27.56 | WormFood | new install, mounted my old user directory |
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| 07:28.28 | WormFood | nvz, because I was running testing, and they decided to downgrade me to gnome 3...which looks pretty, but simply isn't usable. |
| 07:28.40 | mute_ | im not asking here because i didnt google, kngsley, but because i dont understand what ive done wron, twice. |
| 07:28.47 | mute_ | kingsley |
| 07:28.51 | kingsley | WormFood: Maybe your old user directory has an obsolete configuration file, like one whose name begins with a ".". |
| 07:28.56 | nvz | WormFood: ah, yeah I concur.. |
| 07:29.02 | nvz | kingsley: he ruled that out |
| 07:29.12 | WormFood | kingsley, nvz I've already deleted my old gthumb config files |
| 07:29.27 | WormFood | that was one of the first things I did...that has fixed problems in the past |
| 07:30.07 | nvz | WormFood: what arch? |
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| 07:30.18 | WormFood | what is weird, is when I first ran it, after reinstalling it, it ran....but I stopped it, and when I try to run it again, it segfaults. I've deleted the config files again, but still it won't run |
| 07:30.20 | WormFood | amd64 |
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| 07:31.10 | nvz | WormFood: well short of thinking real hard what changed since it ran and it didn't looks like its leaning toward power supply or ram issue.. heh |
| 07:31.50 | kingsley | WormFood: In addition to gthumb configuration files, could there also be old gnome configuration files? |
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| 07:32.05 | WormFood | while not impossible for that to be the problem, I seriously doubt it. I'm not having any other problems, and if I did have ram/ps problems, it would most likely affect everything in the system |
| 07:32.29 | WormFood | kingsley, if there are more config files, I wouldn't know where they are. |
| 07:32.30 | kingsley | WormFood: Could you test gthumb, maybe as root, without mounting your old files? |
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| 07:32.51 | nvz | WormFood: right.. well both do such in a very very subtle way.. but yes its unlikely either would cause the same isolated and consistent problem |
| 07:33.41 | WormFood | yeah, I forgot to test it as another user. that works ok...so that definitely tells me that it is a configuration problem. |
| 07:33.56 | kingsley | WormFood: Maybe someone on a #gnome IRC channel would know where more configuration files are. |
| 07:33.59 | WormFood | but i don't know what else to change/delete. I'm simply out of ideas |
| 07:34.09 | nvz | WormFood: yeah could be .thumbnails .cache or any number of things |
| 07:34.35 | nvz | WormFood: also means a simple strace could narrow this down quickly |
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| 07:34.50 | nvz | cause whatever it is would be one of the files opened before the segfault |
| 07:35.03 | nvz | and strace can be told to log and only what calls you want to see |
| 07:35.29 | kingsley | WormFood: When gthumb returns a segfault, do you run it from a menu, or at the command line? |
| 07:35.40 | WormFood | command line |
| 07:35.58 | WormFood | the menu won't tell me anything, it just won't run with nothing else to say that it even had a problem. |
| 07:36.48 | nvz | strace will tell you if you now know its a local config problem |
| 07:36.56 | kingsley | WormFood: Maybe you could run gthumb under strace and log the output, as both the regular user and the other user, grep out the opens, and diff them. |
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| 07:37.50 | nvz | or just strace for the open() calls and log that... heh |
| 07:38.03 | nvz | logs of a segfault vs logs without segfault are useless |
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| 07:38.21 | kingsley | WormFood: For what it's worth, I'm a little surprised that running gthumb on the command line doesn't return a stack trace. |
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| 07:39.08 | nvz | I'm not.. a sigsegv isn't a clean your shit up and get out.. its a bitchslap so hard your parent process will feel it for violating address space |
| 07:39.19 | WormFood | I just got a phone call, and need to leave now. I'll fight with this later. Thanks for your help and input guys |
| 07:40.02 | kingsley | nvz and WormFood: After thinking about it, I agree with nvz that comparing strace logs isn't necessary. |
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| 07:41.01 | nvz | usually an strace is rather useless especially for comparison.. most of it is b.s. like gettimeofday() need to be looking for something to find it in an strace |
| 07:41.28 | nvz | usually the open() and read() calls are the most important ones |
| 07:41.42 | jetscreamer | mv ~ |
| 07:42.30 | nvz | jetscreamer: missing operand after /home/jetscreamer try mv --help |
| 07:44.06 | jetscreamer | /etc/init.d/gdm stop && mv /home/user /home/user.bckup && md /home/user && cp /home/user.bckup/wtfyouneedforbaseconfigurationlike.bashrc |
| 07:44.17 | jetscreamer | /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 07:44.18 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 07:44.35 | jetscreamer | i think mv ~ enabled free thinking though |
| 07:45.14 | nvz | I'm thinking I'm glad I'm not actually your shell cause that operation would make me barf |
| 07:45.59 | jetscreamer | freethinkingFTW |
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| 07:46.48 | jetscreamer | or just mv everything gnome |
| 07:46.55 | jetscreamer | in ~ |
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| 07:49.09 | jetscreamer | .gconf2 et al, that's it |
| 07:49.22 | jetscreamer | done that but a while ago |
| 07:49.34 | jetscreamer | okie back to lurk mode |
| 07:49.46 | nvz | lurk moar! |
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| 07:59.45 | jetscreamer | icewm ftw |
| 08:00.49 | nvz | sawfish ftp |
| 08:01.12 | nvz | (for the parenthesis) |
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| 08:02.19 | jetscreamer | !comfort nvz |
| 08:02.20 | dpkg | There, there, nvz. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 08:04.26 | jetscreamer | !wb ozux |
| 08:04.26 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! ozux has returned! |
| 08:04.55 | nvz | !yinzersmite jetscreamer |
| 08:04.55 | dpkg | rode jetscreamer dahntahn ta go gall-a-vantin' da norside wif a Gian Iggle buggy like da rest of da bums. |
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| 08:07.29 | jetscreamer | !*smite nvz |
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| 08:25.20 | r15 | hi |
| 08:25.40 | nvz | I wish |
| 08:25.47 | r15 | i am trying to connect to internet using nokia e6, on debian lenny. |
| 08:26.18 | chalcedony | r15, hi |
| 08:26.28 | r15 | able to connect using Nokia OVI suite, however it's blocking all incoming packets. |
| 08:26.30 | chalcedony | looks like it worked |
| 08:27.18 | r15 | chalcedony: hello, |
| 08:27.21 | nvz | I use wifi tether its much easier |
| 08:27.28 | r15 | i followed http://unixuptime.com/forum/?p=290 |
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| 08:28.37 | r15 | when i select option, connect PC to internet, i get the different product id, and no new chracter special device under /dev/ |
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| 08:29.23 | r15 | this is what i get in dmesg [ 995.319800] usb 6-3: New USB device found, idVendor=0421, idProduct=0396 |
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| 08:30.21 | r15 | and with nokia OVI suite option (selecting on nokia E6/under usb section) gives me New USB device found, idVendor=0421, idProduct=032f |
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| 08:31.45 | r15 | i want to access my laptop from external network too, but i am unable to, tried to findout with the tcpdump as well, no packets reaching to my laptop while doing ssh or telnet to port 22, there is no iptables rules |
| 08:32.16 | r15 | any idea? |
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| 08:32.44 | nvz | you can't get online if it doesn't recieve packets so there is obviously a firewall or something on the phone |
| 08:32.47 | r15 | i also disabled F-secure on mobile. (which could be the reason of packets not reaching to laptop). |
| 08:33.46 | nvz | if your system supports wifi, thats a much easier method.. I started doing it due to shotty USB connectivity but its all around easier to use |
| 08:34.14 | r15 | nvz: i am using debian 5.0.9 |
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| 08:35.20 | r15 | i am not thinking to upgrade as i need to use vmware-server as well. after upgrade of debian it may not work. |
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| 08:35.54 | nvz | what may not work? |
| 08:36.04 | r15 | nvz: vmware-server |
| 08:36.21 | nvz | o.O |
| 08:36.47 | r15 | vmware-server is now reached EOL i think, i need somte virtualization so that i can use different OS's. |
| 08:37.05 | Kull | VirtualBox |
| 08:37.13 | Kull | Anyone using anything opther than virtualbox is missing out |
| 08:37.18 | Kull | Also, probably paying money, which sucks. |
| 08:37.27 | Kull | VirtualBox is the elite in free virtualization. |
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| 08:37.59 | kgoetz | qemu-kvm works quite nicely |
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| 08:39.33 | r15 | kgoetz: qemu-kvm on debian? |
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| 08:39.52 | kgoetz | yes |
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| 08:42.12 | r15 | ok, can i upgrade to the latest stable of debian? |
| 08:42.14 | r15 | online |
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| 08:43.40 | kgoetz | 'online'? |
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| 08:44.47 | r15 | kgoetz: i mean current i am running 5.0.9, and would like to upgrade my os, after a reboot i should be on new version. |
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| 08:45.15 | r15 | basically release upgrade. |
| 08:45.26 | kgoetz | yes you can |
| 08:45.29 | kgoetz | !full upgrade |
| 08:45.35 | kgoetz | iirc its that anyway |
| 08:45.39 | kgoetz | dpkg: dist-upgrade |
| 08:45.39 | dpkg | dist-upgrade tells apt to also install/remove packages when handling dependencies; security updates may require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; in lenny, aptitude calls dist-upgrade "full-upgrade" to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. See also <why not dist-upgrade> <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze> <full-upgrade>. |
| 08:45.45 | kgoetz | oh, 'full-upgrade' |
| 08:46.00 | kgoetz | dpkg tell r15 about lenny->squeeze |
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| 08:46.41 | mah454 | Hello |
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| 08:47.15 | mah454 | i build new LiveCD without X window system (GUI) , |
| 08:47.41 | mah454 | now after but i have not any login prompt in screen ! |
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| 08:47.49 | mah454 | how can debug this ? |
| 08:47.57 | Kull | mah454: you need to make sense |
| 08:48.04 | Kull | Try saying that again,. in proper English. |
| 08:48.21 | Kull | "I have not any login" makes no sense to me. |
| 08:48.32 | Kull | Describe the symptomes. |
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| 08:49.27 | r15 | kgoetz: i have one partition, i think dual boot would be much better, after things are migrated i will increase the VG removing current debian. |
| 08:49.47 | kgoetz | r15: at your option |
| 08:49.49 | Kull | what is a VG? |
| 08:49.52 | r15 | which iso shold be sufficient to have internet working with mobile? |
| 08:50.05 | r15 | kull: LVM's (volume group) |
| 08:50.07 | kgoetz | Kull: LVM talk (: |
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| 08:51.01 | r15 | netinstall won't work as i don't have any landline internet. last year i did installation using network but no longer i have any landline internet access. |
| 08:51.19 | kgoetz | r15: what sort of connection? |
| 08:51.22 | kgoetz | mobile phone? |
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| 08:51.39 | r15 | kgoetz: yes, i have only mobile internet access |
| 08:52.27 | kgoetz | r15: not managed to get my mobile phone working, so you mighthave to look around for info on that |
| 08:52.30 | josh9 | I am trying to set up WiFi (Realtek RTL8188CE) on Wheezy. I followed http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x - I installed 'firmware-realtek' and 'wireless-tools' and run 'modprobe rtl8192ce'. Here is the output of 'lsmod |grep rtl' and 'modprobe -l |grep rtl' and a few more - http://pastebin.com/hz6sYH5A any tips would be welcome! |
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| 08:54.36 | r15 | kgoetz: would the cd1 iso image be sufficient? later on i can install using tasksel etc. |
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| 08:55.04 | chefkoch_ | hi. how can update pulseto version 1.1 on squeeze? |
| 08:55.12 | chefkoch_ | pulseaudio |
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| 08:55.59 | kgoetz | r15: sufficent to install via a mobile phone? i don't know |
| 08:57.51 | r15 | ok |
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| 08:59.23 | r15 | or in case firewall issue is resolved then it will be great. |
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| 09:02.46 | r15 | idea, i have ubuntu installed on vmware, i can check if the mobile mode is causing firewall issue. |
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| 09:12.35 | Lemon | I am on squeeze and I can't figure out where my partitions are |
| 09:12.47 | Lemon | when I plug in my external hard drive, I have /dev/sdb1 |
| 09:13.02 | Lemon | but there is no /dev/sda* |
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| 09:18.20 | esprimo | fdisk -l |
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| 09:33.07 | ksx4system | why does it fail on the kernel installation step of this tutorial? https://mseiwald.at/doc/alix/installation |
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| 09:33.17 | ksx4system | I get error code (1) |
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| 09:36.15 | josh9 | is there any log file i can look at to troubleshoot wifi problem? i don't have wlan0. |
| 09:37.11 | ksx4system | josh9: wlan0 isn't a must, for example squeeze recognized my BCM4313card as eth1 |
| 09:38.07 | josh9 | ksx4system: interesting. |
| 09:38.37 | josh9 | i see the word 'Ethernet' next to eth1 |
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| 09:47.07 | maxy | "git" seems to be broken after upgrading (debian testing)... when I 'git clone' something, it prints "remote:" messages but then stops (no error printed, but exit code 141) |
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| 09:47.59 | maxy | same thing when using 'fetch' on existing repositories; does anyone else have this problem? |
| 09:48.26 | josh9 | maxy: just curious, what 'uname -a' tell you? |
| 09:48.38 | maxy | Linux bazaar 3.1.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Dec 11 20:36:41 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 09:49.15 | josh9 | maxy: do u know why i see Linux debian instead of bazzar? |
| 09:49.24 | josh9 | (i upgraded from squeeze, btw) |
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| 09:49.38 | maxy | it's my computer name |
| 09:49.41 | lstarnes | josh9: is your hostname debian? |
| 09:49.47 | Marezz | Hi folks whats the latest stable kernel? |
| 09:49.53 | josh9 | lstarnes: yeah (: |
| 09:50.26 | cantido | Is there no way to turn off the BELL when you write to a tty that doesnt have any buffer space? it seems impossible |
| 09:50.38 | josh9 | Marezz: 2.3.32 maybe? |
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| 09:51.39 | Marezz | josh9, so if I am to install it, it should look like this? "sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.3.32-generic"? |
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| 09:52.19 | Kharec | hi there |
| 09:52.46 | aiwass | hi, how can I launch a GUI program from terminal, and detach the process from terminal? |
| 09:53.03 | valdyn | aiwass: with nohup |
| 09:53.21 | ksx4system | Marezz: 3.1.6, go to kernel.org |
| 09:53.28 | aiwass | thanks, I'll look for it now |
| 09:53.44 | lstarnes | aiwass: DISPLAY=:0 program & disown |
| 09:53.44 | maxy | aidan: progname & - or press Ctrl-Z after starting, then type 'bg' |
| 09:54.00 | maxy | aiwass: |
| 09:54.03 | josh9 | Marezz: i am not sure.. |
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| 09:55.47 | ksx4system | why can't I install kernel inside chrooted debootstrap? |
| 09:55.47 | aiwass | with nohup i get : ignoring input and appending output to `nohup.out', the program is launghed, but still no detached |
| 09:55.55 | josh9 | I am trying to set up WiFi (Realtek RTL8188CE) on Wheezy. I followed http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x - I installed 'firmware-realtek' and 'wireless-tools' and run 'modprobe rtl8192ce'. Here is the output of 'lsmod |grep rtl' and 'modprobe -l |grep rtl' and a few more - http://pastebin.com/hz6sYH5A any tips would be welcome! |
| 09:56.11 | valdyn | aiwass: nohup <program> & |
| 09:57.06 | aiwass | valdyn: thanks, it works :) |
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| 09:57.21 | ksx4system | why can't I install kernel inside chrooted debootstrap? error code 1, no luck |
| 09:59.33 | cantido | ksx4system: you need /proc mounted IIRc |
| 10:02.10 | ksx4system | cantido: before or after entering chroot? |
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| 10:03.32 | cantido | ksx4system: you need it mounted so that its mounted to /proc in the chroot |
| 10:03.36 | cantido | -o bind |
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| 10:03.52 | cantido | you might need /sys too.. dont remember exactly |
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| 10:06.00 | ksx4system | cantido: http://paste.debian.net/150179/ |
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| 10:07.08 | cantido | ksx4system: ls /proc in the chroot shows the right stuff? |
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| 10:08.11 | ksx4system | cantido: what exactly means right stuff? comparable with /proc of my Ubuntu netbook (it's where I built and run this chroot)? |
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| 10:08.36 | cantido | ksx4system: does it have what looks like proc in it? |
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| 10:09.30 | ksx4system | cantido: http://paste.debian.net/150180/ that's the error I get |
| 10:09.47 | ksx4system | cantido: and that's how /proc of chroot look like http://paste.debian.net/150181/ |
| 10:11.09 | cantido | ksx4system: it looks like grub is failing.. it is giving you the line number where it is failing too |
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| 10:13.04 | ksx4system | cantido: this line means just nothing, completely random |
| 10:13.05 | ksx4system | system ("run-parts --verbose --exit-on-error --arg=$version " . |
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| 10:13.52 | cantido | well, its not random, but thats beside the point.. it looks like grub is failing.. try to get grub to install outside of dpkg |
| 10:14.55 | ksx4system | cantido: you mean, compile it from source? maybe I should try lilo? |
| 10:15.17 | cantido | ksx4system: no, grub is installed.. try running grub-update or whatever it is |
| 10:15.19 | ksx4system | btw it's weird, every single step of tutorial mentioned above worked, until kernel |
| 10:15.49 | ksx4system | bash: grub-update: command not found <--- cantido |
| 10:16.09 | cantido | update-grub then.. |
| 10:16.20 | cantido | at least learn to try things.. |
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| 10:16.37 | cantido | if all you can do is copy and paste stuff 1:1 you'll never get it working |
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| 10:25.32 | exeter | will debian natively run on something like an asus transformer? |
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| 10:27.10 | cantido | exeter: the ARM port should run on it.. but getting it working would be easier said than done |
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| 10:27.51 | cantido | armel will run on pretty much any ARM machine with an MMU.. but whether or not you can get a kernel with working drivers etc depends on the hardware |
| 10:28.37 | exeter | cantido: thanks. I was looking for a 3g+ssd netbook to run debian on. I was almost buying a samsung chromebook when I discovered the bios is nonstandard. Now I'm running out of options and, well, looking at the transformerish stuff. |
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| 10:29.19 | cantido | armel does seem to run on an "Android" kernel at least.. I had to do that before I ported a normal kernel for a board I have here |
| 10:29.41 | cantido | exeter: ARM machines dont have a standard bios like PCs |
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| 10:30.25 | exeter | cantido: that means I'm pretty much fucked? (pardon my naiveness) |
| 10:30.28 | cantido | exeter: the SoC (cpu + most of the machine on a chip) vendor usually provides a half working loader for linux.. and then its up to the final OEM to work out how to get whatever OS they want running on it |
| 10:30.54 | cantido | exeter: uboot is sort of a standard on non-x86 machines |
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| 10:31.11 | cantido | exeter: but something running Android from stock will have the Android stuff in there |
| 10:31.26 | cantido | IIRC genesi sell an "open" arm netbook |
| 10:31.34 | cantido | or was it a net-top.. |
| 10:31.45 | exeter | netbook |
| 10:31.53 | exeter | I was waiting for the mx53 |
| 10:32.04 | cantido | its not been released yet? |
| 10:32.05 | exeter | which was planned for august 2011 |
| 10:32.15 | exeter | and will arrive somewhen in 2012 |
| 10:32.17 | cantido | doesnt really trust bplan |
| 10:32.25 | cantido | or any of the genesi people |
| 10:32.30 | exeter | I was a bit disappointed |
| 10:32.33 | exeter | why so cantido |
| 10:34.12 | cantido | exeter: When bplan was Phase 5 (they made mac and amiga CPU upgrades) their hardware was ok, but there were Amiga boards that broke down a lot.. Phase 5 went bust, sold all their stuff to their friend.. that went on to steal hardware that was sent for repair |
| 10:34.29 | cantido | exeter: genesi also seem to have problems paying their staff |
| 10:34.37 | cantido | they seem a bit cursed |
| 10:34.44 | exeter | :S I feel sorry for the staff |
| 10:35.08 | exeter | but it's quite difficult to help them getting in business if they don't actually deliver new products |
| 10:35.38 | cantido | they seem to pop up as a new company every few years too :/ |
| 10:36.18 | cantido | exeter: TBH an atom netbook is going to be a ton faster than most ARM systems |
| 10:36.44 | cantido | if you get something with ion it will wipe the floor with any ARM system out there |
| 10:36.57 | exeter | cantido: yet I still have to find one with SSD + 3g ... am I searching for something impossible? |
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| 10:37.22 | cantido | exeter: does it have to be ARM? |
| 10:37.31 | exeter | not at all |
| 10:37.43 | cantido | IIRC the dell minis have a WLAN mini pci-e slot and a sim slot on some models |
| 10:37.56 | cantido | not WLAN |
| 10:38.04 | cantido | tries to remember what its called.. |
| 10:38.27 | cantido | anyhow, some netbooks have what looks like a mini pci-e slot, that is actually USB + sim connections |
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| 10:41.57 | exeter | cantido: can you point to an example model to me? I'm curious |
| 10:42.13 | exeter | ( or an example card, so I can check wheter it's debian friendly ) |
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| 10:44.11 | cantido | exeter: from a quick googling, some mobile carriers sell the dell machines with 3g |
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| 10:44.21 | cantido | I think all 3g cards should work |
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| 10:44.36 | cantido | its the same sort of stuff as old serial modems |
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| 10:45.05 | cantido | you need to get the right stuff for the carrier to get PPP to work, I think thats the hardest part |
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| 10:46.30 | ogzy | i am looking for an alternative to php-syslog-ng which becomes a commercial one, any free suggestion with a web interface and keep the logs at db? |
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| 10:52.42 | PerfDave | Nothing wrong with commercial stuff, provided it's still free ;) |
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| 10:54.07 | ogzy | PerfDave: it says it became logzilla, and to use it requires to buy a license, where is download for the free one? |
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| 10:55.02 | koollman | PerfDave: many things wrong with commercial stuff, if you want to dive in and do some customizations |
| 10:55.15 | PerfDave | koollman: Why? |
| 10:55.34 | koollman | because sometimes, vendors make it really really hard to do so |
| 10:55.50 | PerfDave | Commercial doesn't imply proprietary / non-free |
| 10:57.29 | cantido | koollman: lots of the linux kernel is "commercial" |
| 10:58.07 | koollman | sure. but usually the source code is decent (ok ... that's quite subjective :) ) |
| 10:58.50 | cantido | koollman: an opensource project going commercial is a good thing IMHO.. as long as they dont close everyone out |
| 10:59.03 | cantido | it shows that its good enough for people to be willing to pay money for it |
| 10:59.52 | koollman | or that someone is good enough to make people willing to spend money on it ;) |
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| 11:00.47 | PerfDave | Anyway, a PHP web app to view system logs seems like a terrible idea ;) |
| 11:00.49 | cantido | either way, if you can still get the source there isnt an issue |
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| 11:01.49 | koollman | cantido: you know, there's 'open source code' and there's 'open' source code. "you can see the source. you probably cannot use it, though, we tried hard to make it unreadable" :) |
| 11:02.25 | PerfDave | So you just fork it ;) |
| 11:02.39 | PerfDave | That's the joy of free software |
| 11:02.49 | ogzy | PerfDave: what is your suggestion to see the log files and keep them, i tested Graylog2 but a java appplication is not a good way to handle, giving me out of memeory errors |
| 11:03.02 | cantido | koollman: and there are plently of opensource projects "done for the love of it" that are total piles of shit |
| 11:03.16 | cantido | ogzy: logrotate |
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| 11:03.29 | cantido | ogzy: + zless |
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| 11:03.37 | exeter | cantido: do you know the name of that "what looks like a mini pci-e slot, that is actually USB + sim connections"? It sould really save me time in seaching :P |
| 11:03.41 | PerfDave | ogzy: I like logwatch. |
| 11:03.42 | simonlnu | it doesn't depends on how open or closed it is, it depends on coding skills of the people involved. |
| 11:03.46 | simonlnu | depend* |
| 11:04.09 | cantido | exeter: its called a WAN minipci-e slot or something.. its basically a slot that is only for 3g modems |
| 11:04.18 | PerfDave | simonlnu: Well, we're talking specificially about modifying stuff, so having it as free software is nearly essential. |
| 11:04.34 | cantido | exeter: its called a mini pci-e slot, but it doesnt have any of the pci-e signals ;) |
| 11:04.35 | exeter | thnks thanks cantido |
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| 11:04.54 | cantido | exeter: there are usb 3g modems that work with linux too |
| 11:05.34 | simonlnu | where that matters is whether or not it's easy to fork it, mod it, etc. and what sort of distribution and modification (like you said PerfDave; and hi :) rights you have. |
| 11:05.42 | cantido | has a bunch of kindle2 3g modems that he cant get to work in an ARM board :( |
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| 11:05.59 | exeter | cantido: I used one of those, but it's a bit cumbersowhen you bought a machine with portability in mind. I hope those quasi pci pcards to be less "invasive" |
| 11:06.26 | cantido | exeter: yeah that is true. If it has a sim slot, it should have a mini-pci slot to go with it |
| 11:06.39 | cantido | either way, the modems are USB.. just a different connector |
| 11:06.51 | exeter | thanks again cantido |
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| 11:07.07 | PerfDave | Is the acronym "HSDPA" relevant here? |
| 11:07.24 | cantido | PerfDave: HSDPA is 3.5g IIRC |
| 11:07.38 | cantido | PerfDave: it doesnt matter either, that stuff is handled by the "3g modem" |
| 11:07.40 | PerfDave | Fair enough, not the name of the slot then :) |
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| 11:07.54 | PerfDave | doesn't follow this newfangled "mobile internet" malarkey |
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| 11:08.15 | cantido | PerfDave: mini pci-e has pins for USB and "serial data" .. so "minipci-e" 3g modems are USB + some serial lines for the SIM |
| 11:08.27 | cantido | if its not a CDMA or whatever modem |
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| 11:10.18 | ogzy | cantido: i want to keep log files at a db and se ethem from a ui, search create filters etc, handling text files a bit massy |
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| 11:11.12 | cantido | ogzy: have they said they are going to close the thing you are using? |
| 11:11.25 | cantido | if it works now.. it will stay working |
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| 11:11.43 | ogzy | cantido: what do you mean, sorry i didnt get the point you are asking |
| 11:11.47 | PerfDave | ogzy: grep? :) |
| 11:12.32 | simonlnu | grep is too messy :P |
| 11:12.37 | cantido | ogzy: if you have some version of that software installed.. it isnt just going to stop working |
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| 11:12.57 | cantido | ogzy: and have the authors said that they are cutting off the open/free version? |
| 11:13.48 | ogzy | cantido: if you mean graylog2, i am tired of handling java errors, it is a java program tailing the errors, has a web interface querying from mongo db, but it didnt work stable |
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| 11:14.15 | ogzy | cantido: and for php-syslog-ng, their web site is now logzilla.pro and there is no free version |
| 11:14.23 | ogzy | cantido: which one are you talking about |
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| 11:14.53 | cantido | I was talking about the php-syslog-ng one |
| 11:15.04 | cantido | is it some hosted app? |
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| 11:15.31 | cantido | what stops current users from taking the current source and forking it on github or something? |
| 11:15.55 | Paijo | Cantido,what is php-syslog-ng? |
| 11:15.58 | ogzy | cantido: http://code.google.com/p/php-syslog-ng/ |
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| 11:16.26 | cantido | Paijo: seems that it parses logs into a db and lets you browse them |
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| 11:17.36 | ogzy | Paijo: cantido it is a syslog-ng web interface and i am looking for an opensource alternative one |
| 11:17.57 | simonlnu | you could you know, take what you have, and fork it |
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| 11:18.12 | simonlnu | *HINT* |
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| 11:18.50 | ogzy | is some one show me the source code of php-syslog-ng, i may think about forking it |
| 11:19.02 | cantido | simonlnu: exactly,.. all he would need to do is stop it from breaking (new PHP etc) if it does what he wants |
| 11:19.06 | simonlnu | um, don't you have it already? |
| 11:19.11 | cantido | ogzy: it should be in the source tab of google-code |
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| 11:19.31 | simonlnu | if not do what he said |
| 11:20.01 | cantido | ogzy: http://code.google.com/p/php-syslog-ng/source/browse/ |
| 11:20.02 | ogzy | ok check the web site and say me whether there is such a tab |
| 11:20.07 | cantido | ogzy: they turned off the source tab |
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| 11:20.11 | cantido | ogzy: but there it is ;) |
| 11:20.25 | cantido | grab it now while you can |
| 11:20.28 | simonlnu | gotta know where to look ;) |
| 11:20.40 | simonlnu | and make backups once you do |
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| 11:21.02 | ogzy | cantido: ok check whether there is something to install |
| 11:21.08 | cantido | I'm not sure why they are hosting on google code when it seems to be some restricted source license |
| 11:21.14 | simonlnu | you'll probably want to modify it, and you don't want to modify your only copy |
| 11:21.25 | ogzy | cantido: http://code.google.com/p/php-syslog-ng/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk |
| 11:21.44 | cantido | ogzy: yeah, seems to be empty, damn |
| 11:21.53 | simonlnu | just a readme in trunk |
| 11:22.00 | cantido | ogzy: theres stuff in tags |
| 11:22.11 | cantido | and some stuff in old |
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| 11:22.41 | simonlnu | yeh |
| 11:23.01 | simonlnu | branches too |
| 11:23.17 | cantido | I guess they've gone back and tried to hide anything that was there |
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| 11:23.45 | simonlnu | they removed their trunk, but you could assemble it from what they left |
| 11:24.21 | ogzy | cantido: simonlnu: maybe this one can work, http://code.google.com/p/php-syslog-ng/source/browse/tags/2.9.9g/, |
| 11:24.37 | simonlnu | definitely |
| 11:24.46 | cantido | ogzy: if the source was around at some point, you should be able to find it |
| 11:25.03 | cantido | ogzy: and then upload it somewhere for other people like yourself |
| 11:25.22 | cantido | sharing is caring ;) |
| 11:25.41 | simonlnu | 2.9.9g seems the most promising and less work |
| 11:25.45 | PerfDave | And a PHP log viewer sounds like a great way to share your private system logs with every caring hacker on the Internet :) |
| 11:25.57 | simonlnu | exactly ;P |
| 11:26.21 | simonlnu | easier to set up a log server, and just use normal unix tools |
| 11:27.03 | simonlnu | rsyslog has a few plugins and stuff you can use |
| 11:29.48 | PerfDave | OOI and offtopic for this channel - how easy is synching modern iPods with Debian stable these days? |
| 11:30.11 | PerfDave | Friend of mine said she didn't want an iPod for Xmas but her folks got her one anyway and now she's got to work out how to use it with her Debian laptop. |
| 11:30.34 | dym | PerfDave: Debian & She? |
| 11:30.36 | dym | Can I marry? |
| 11:30.37 | dym | (: |
| 11:30.44 | simonlnu | there's some music players that do device syncing. dunno if they handle new stuff well or not. |
| 11:30.46 | PerfDave | dym: She's already married, sorry. |
| 11:30.49 | dym | damn! |
| 11:30.50 | dym | :D |
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| 11:31.01 | cantido | dym: womenz dont like predictable |
| 11:31.06 | PerfDave | My Debian-using girlfriend isn't married, but she's spoken for :) |
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| 11:32.01 | dym | CoilDomain: she needs to be dpkg-reconfigure'd |
| 11:32.28 | cantido | PerfDave: I would check what gtkpod can do .. the newer ipods that run "ios" have crazy signing etc.. |
| 11:33.05 | PerfDave | cantido: Cheers, I'll pass that on |
| 11:33.13 | PerfDave | dym: You're coming across as kinda creepy there ;p |
| 11:33.26 | dym | dw sweetcheeks - its all good |
| 11:33.31 | cantido | last time I checked (iphone 1g) you needed to jailbreak to upload music :/ |
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| 11:34.09 | cantido | PerfDave: this is why women are so rare on the interwebs.. the guys creep them out |
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| 11:34.45 | nevyn | because the guys on the internet are creapy is a popular meme somewhat based in reality |
| 11:35.35 | dym | you're on #debian - what did you expect? |
| 11:35.44 | cantido | wonders if there is a guy that turns up to the debian-women stuff and says "hey I like computers too! and I have a penis!" |
| 11:35.58 | dym | AND I AM CREEPY? |
| 11:36.02 | dym | why thank you! |
| 11:36.12 | cantido | hahaha |
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| 11:37.14 | exeter | I wonder if debra was the first female debian user |
| 11:37.30 | cantido | she uses ubuntu now |
| 11:37.53 | cantido | hence the divorce |
| 11:38.03 | exeter | (sad smile) |
| 11:38.15 | PerfDave | cantido: I know a reasonable number of awesome Debian and Linux-using women, including kernel hackers, Gnome devs, Debian devels etc. But yeah, not a lot of them spend much time on IRC. |
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| 11:38.53 | exeter | that's why they're awesome PerfDave : they do stuff instead of idle chat :P |
| 11:39.27 | cantido | PerfDave: I know some women into electronics etc.. the reason they dont post any of their stuff online is because as soon as they do there are 10 or so guys posting "wow, will you marry me" etc etc |
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| 11:40.30 | cantido | I reckon there are tons of women out into this stuff that just hide away |
| 11:40.46 | cantido | s/out/out there/ |
| 11:41.15 | PerfDave | There's a Geek Girls group here in Manchester, they run some pretty cool events. |
| 11:41.58 | kuznetzvo | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.19 | kuznetzvo | i just thought nobody would ever trigger that highlight. geek girls |
| 11:42.40 | exeter | yes, it borderline sexist (smile) |
| 11:43.16 | kuznetzvo | cool google image search |
| 11:43.39 | kuznetzvo | i shut up here now. #debian-offtopic |
| 11:44.06 | cantido | is only into girls that run debian-m68k |
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| 11:44.39 | babilen | Could you take it somewhere else? It is neither on-topic nor particularly welcome here. There are quite a number of active woman within open-source and Debian and I would prefer if the whole community would welcome them. The best way to do this is not to single *anybody* out as being special (and thereby implying "not normal") ... That does not only hold for gender though |
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| 11:45.09 | cantido | babilen: ugh, thats exactly what the convo was about |
| 11:45.31 | cantido | <insert sexist comment about underwear twisting here> |
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| 11:46.27 | zydingxiaomei | who can speak chinese? help me! thank you! |
| 11:46.34 | nevyn | !zh |
| 11:46.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, zh is 如果您想要得到中文的協助，請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) 頻道，加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server irc.oftc.net" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號)，謝謝您的合作！ If you want to get helped in Chinese, please move to #debian-zh at irc.oftc.net. To join, type "/server irc.oftc.net" and "/join #debian-zh" (without quote). Thank you! |
| 11:46.40 | babilen | cantido: Still not on-topic here -- Take it to #debian-offtopic if you want to pursue it. |
| 11:46.57 | nevyn | hrm pretty glyphs... |
| 11:46.58 | cantido | notes the thought police are out in force today |
| 11:47.06 | nevyn | I wish windows were able do display them |
| 11:47.07 | babilen | zydingxiaomei: I do -- But this is an English speaking channel. So better take it to one of the Chinese ones ^^^^ |
| 11:47.15 | zydingxiaomei | thank you dpkg |
| 11:47.17 | cantido | nevyn: you just install the language packs |
| 11:47.30 | raven | (g)rsync - how to make empty files after finished sync to list dates of backup? anything like touch `date +%F` is not working |
| 11:47.41 | cantido | nevyn: unless your irc client doesnt understand UTF8 |
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| 11:49.06 | zydingxiaomei | your email to me |
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| 11:49.35 | zydingxiaomei | babilen: your email to me ,okay? |
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| 11:50.16 | babilen | zydingxiaomei: Err, no. You are welcome to ask in here in English or join #debian-zh on irc.oftc.net though. |
| 11:50.35 | zydingxiaomei | okay ,thanks |
| 11:50.53 | zydingxiaomei | join #debian-zh |
| 11:51.06 | nevyn | /join #debian-zh |
| 11:51.11 | nevyn | try that ^^ |
| 11:51.24 | zydingxiaomei | :-Dthank |
| 11:51.38 | sylecn | is there a better filesystem other than ext2 for a 8g flash drive? |
| 11:51.50 | nevyn | fat32 |
| 11:52.00 | nevyn | depending on what you want to do |
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| 11:52.16 | babilen | zydingxiaomei: It is on irc.oftc.net -- Try "/server irc.oftc.net" followed by "/join #debian-zh" once you are connected to OFTC. |
| 11:52.20 | sylecn | I use it to backup big static files. |
| 11:52.45 | PerfDave | Yeah, FAT32 can't handle files >4GB which can be a concern |
| 11:52.53 | sylecn | fat32 doesn't preserve linux owner and permissions |
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| 11:53.00 | nevyn | right. |
| 11:53.07 | PerfDave | Why ext2 and not ext3/4 ? |
| 11:53.15 | zydingxiaomei | debian-zh :-(, |
| 11:53.35 | nevyn | can get measurably faster throughput to his SDcards with fat filesystem. |
| 11:53.51 | cantido | PerfDave: journals probably arent worth it on little flash drives |
| 11:53.58 | cantido | zydingxiaomei: no one in there? |
| 11:54.26 | cantido | sylecn: what type of flash drive is it? usb? |
| 11:54.32 | sylecn | yes. usb |
| 11:54.37 | babilen | zydingxiaomei: Ni da zuo le -- #debian-zh de pindao bu shi FreeNode de. Ni zhao irc.oftc.net de #debian-zh - Zheli you bijao duo ren :) |
| 11:55.09 | cantido | sylecn: what is the issue with ext2? |
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| 11:55.46 | sylecn | cantido: since there are new fs emerging in last few years, I wonder if there is a newer and better choice. ext2 is fine. |
| 11:55.47 | zydingxiaomei | babilen.xie xie ni le,hahahah |
| 11:56.23 | cantido | sylecn: that depends on the application etc |
| 11:56.43 | cantido | sylecn: there are special filesystems for flash, but they probably arent what you want |
| 11:57.33 | alibungker | debhelper: ping |
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| 12:00.58 | _ramo | hi |
| 12:01.16 | exeter | hello |
| 12:01.22 | _ramo | i've added my user to the kvm group, but somehow i just have to use sudo if invoking a virsh cli command |
| 12:01.26 | _ramo | is that obvious? |
| 12:02.50 | cantido | what does virsh do? |
| 12:03.03 | lstarnes | _ramo: did you log out and log back in after adding yourself to that group? |
| 12:03.26 | _ramo | lstarnes: i guess i did a reboot |
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| 12:03.39 | lstarnes | you didn't need to reboot |
| 12:04.13 | PerfDave | cantido: Virtualisation Shell, for managing VMs |
| 12:04.28 | PerfDave | Can't remember which virtualisation system it's for, I just use the virt-manager GUI these days |
| 12:04.35 | cantido | PerfDave: ah, I thought it was something like that |
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| 12:04.56 | _ramo | lstarnes: hm, i'm stil confused how to accceess a started virtual machine... |
| 12:05.11 | lstarnes | _ramo: it might have you use vnc or something |
| 12:05.21 | cantido | IIRC all the kvm group gives access to is the nodes used for hardware virtualisation to work.. |
| 12:05.27 | lstarnes | _ramo: I don't use virsh thougn. I just use regular qemu or kvm directly |
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| 12:05.56 | cantido | virtualbox ftw anyhoo |
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| 12:06.07 | _ramo | lstarnes: hm, are there examples using directly qemu or kvm? |
| 12:06.41 | lstarnes | _ramo: qemu -enable-kvm -hda /path/to/hard-disk.img -m 512 -net nic -net user -daemonize |
| 12:06.50 | lstarnes | _ramo: see also man qemu and man kvm |
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| 12:07.35 | lstarnes | it might be qemu-kvm instead of kvm |
| 12:07.47 | _ramo | lstarnes: do you use a bridged network? i have a bunch of ip addresses and want each VM to have an own ip address |
| 12:08.09 | lstarnes | _ramo: I use VDE with a tap device |
| 12:08.23 | _ramo | what is VDE with a tap device? :) |
| 12:08.37 | lstarnes | VDE is Virtual Distributed Ethernet |
| 12:08.45 | PerfDave | _ramo: Any reason you dont' just use the GUI? I found that it gave better kvm options than trying to figure them out myself. |
| 12:09.03 | _ramo | PerfDave: i've juts have console here |
| 12:09.11 | PerfDave | _ramo: X forwarding? :) |
| 12:09.16 | lstarnes | no bridging required. qemu directly supports it with -net vde |
| 12:09.23 | lstarnes | if vde_switch is running |
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| 12:09.27 | _ramo | PerfDave: to much configuration... i'm not very pro in debian :) |
| 12:09.57 | _ramo | lstarnes: and how to assign the ip adress to a VM? |
| 12:10.13 | PerfDave | _ramo: No configuration needed, just "ssh -X" into the machine and run virt-manager |
| 12:10.20 | lstarnes | _ramo: you handle that in the VM itself |
| 12:10.31 | lstarnes | _ramo: the same way you set an IP statically in a normal system |
| 12:11.11 | lstarnes | you will need to give the tap device used by vde_switch an IP with ifconfig or ip and then add the VLAN's info to the routing table |
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| 12:11.37 | cantido | lstarnes: vde is userland right? |
| 12:11.47 | lstarnes | yes |
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| 12:12.32 | _ramo | lstarnes: ou, absolutely don't know how to configure VLANs and th vde_switch... |
| 12:13.27 | lstarnes | http://wiki.debian.org/QEMU#QEMU_networking_with_VDE |
| 12:13.34 | lstarnes | should also with with kvm |
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| 12:18.02 | Milos | if a command begins with a dot |
| 12:18.03 | Milos | what does it mean |
| 12:18.04 | Milos | i.e. |
| 12:18.06 | Milos | . mov |
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| 12:18.57 | cantido | Milos: . is include IIRC |
| 12:19.48 | _ramo | lstarnes: so i didn't understood the difference of bridge vs. VDE |
| 12:19.57 | Milos | hmm I see. I just saw it on this video and I was wondering if that was native linux or not http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te8jt-jUkm8 |
| 12:20.20 | PerfDave | Milos: At a bash prompt, "." is a keyword equivalent to "source". |
| 12:20.54 | Milos | PerfDave, yeah I have to type source /etc/profile on Gentoo sometimes but how does that start movie playback? It's just what I saw in that YouTube video. |
| 12:21.20 | lstarnes | _ramo: brodges require a new tap device fpr each vm |
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| 12:21.40 | lstarnes | _ramo: VDE uses only one tap device and each vm connects to the vde switch |
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| 12:22.48 | _ramo | lstarnes: so what is the main advantage? i would need every VM to be reachable from the internet directly(well, not all) and that all communicate |
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| 12:23.38 | lstarnes | _ramo: and vde and bridging can both do that. I just use vde because I don't need to worry about adding the tap interfaces to the bridges then removing them when the vms close |
| 12:24.55 | _ramo | somehow i'm confused now... what is now kvm qemu ,virtinst, virsh etc |
| 12:26.55 | PerfDave | Milos: Well, that will execute the script "mov" and do what it does. |
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| 12:50.27 | aguitel | is the command lshw possible in debian ? |
| 12:51.32 | ompaul | aguitel: apt-get install lshw does what for you? |
| 12:52.07 | aguitel | ompaul, thanks |
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| 12:54.26 | aguitel | i running debian +ubuntu (diferent partitions) using both same video driver ,but in ubuntu frames are more faster than debian ,why ? |
| 12:55.10 | simonlnu | ubuntu installed extra stuff to make it run slower^w faster? |
| 12:55.23 | ompaul | aguitel: so the question is what video drivers are they both using I don't know |
| 12:55.32 | ompaul | and is it the same firmware |
| 12:55.35 | aguitel | ompaul, i915 |
| 12:55.37 | ompaul | and is it the same desktop |
| 12:55.50 | ompaul | aguitel: I don't know, only running sid |
| 12:56.02 | ompaul | the same version of video driver?> |
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| 12:56.10 | aguitel | yes |
| 12:56.12 | ompaul | aguitel: you have the two systems - go compare |
| 12:56.26 | ompaul | are they running the same desktop? |
| 12:56.33 | aguitel | yes |
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| 12:56.40 | ompaul | hears a mini opera "go compare" |
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| 12:57.50 | aguitel | simonlnu, faster |
| 12:58.04 | muzone | Why can't I wget -r -A pdf,doc http://www.fabricly.com? https://gist.github.com/1519382 |
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| 13:09.12 | _ramo | if i do a virsh list i get one running vm, so how can i connect to this VM via shell to define the network for it? |
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| 13:13.25 | r15 | hi, i am able to connect to internet using Nokia E6, but all incoming traffic is getting blocked somewhere. |
| 13:13.48 | r15 | i checked with tcpdump, no packets are reaching. |
| 13:14.15 | r15 | for configuring Nokia E6 as a modem i followed http://unixuptime.com/forum/?p=290 |
| 13:14.22 | r15 | any help? |
| 13:15.22 | r15 | lsusb (after choosing use phone as modem gives me) vendor=0x421 product=0x396 and then wvdial is unable to find the modem. |
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| 13:15.57 | r15 | when using OVI suite mode i get vendor=0x421 product=0x32f which works fine with wvdial |
| 13:16.18 | r15 | i think OVI option is somehow blocking all incoming traffic. |
| 13:17.21 | r15 | i further checked on ubuntu, use phone as modem is not working. |
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| 13:18.25 | muzone | Why can't I wget -r -A pdf,doc http://www.fabricly.com? https://gist.github.com/1519382 - it doesn't make any difference if I add HTML to the list. Running the same command on other sites though usually yields tons of PDFs and DOCs. |
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| 13:26.44 | r15 | any idea? |
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| 13:44.17 | kyr0 | exit |
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| 13:44.26 | ompaul | r15: connect to the internet? |
| 13:44.42 | ompaul | identity crisis |
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| 13:47.02 | testswap | Hello |
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| 13:48.12 | ompaul | swap failed initiating silly ipv6 dance |
| 13:49.07 | testswap | How can I lookup packages by repositories ? |
| 13:49.43 | ompaul | apt-cache policy packagename |
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| 13:52.36 | mjt | there's also a handy script apt-listrepository |
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| 13:53.21 | testswap | mysql-common from MySQL 5.5 from dotdeb replaced /etc/mysql/my.cnf and made it incompatible with MySQL 5.1 .... apt-get upgrade mysql-server didn't seem to upgrade mysql to the version in dotdeb, how is this accomplish? |
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| 13:56.33 | daemonkeeper | testswap: See it as lesson learned why you shouldn't be using external repositories, especially not those from Dotdeb widely known for its poor quality. |
| 13:56.59 | daemonkeeper | Also: Dotdeb is not at all supported here. |
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| 13:58.13 | testswap | daemonkeeper: It wasn't intentional install, in fact, I only needed PHP, the rest was unfortunate set of circumstances |
| 13:58.27 | daemonkeeper | Try to force a downgrade. |
| 13:58.48 | daemonkeeper | Or upgrade to MySQL from Dotdeb entirely. |
| 13:59.16 | testswap | I want upgrade to MySQL from Dotdeb, not sure how? |
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| 13:59.48 | daemonkeeper | Try a versioned package, e.g. mysql-server-5.5. As I said: We don't know, we don't support dotdeb. |
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| 14:02.46 | testswap | Ok |
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| 14:03.22 | Vicky453 | Hello. I'm looking for the cd or dvd iso for debian testing with xfce for an amd64 architecture, but I'm having trouble finding it |
| 14:03.29 | Vicky453 | Can someone please point me in the right direction? |
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| 14:06.13 | s70rm | Vicky453: hi, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso but you can always download and install the main DVD and then to use XFCE |
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| 14:08.00 | Vicky453 | s70rm: And this is testing? |
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| 14:08.39 | s70rm | Vicky453: no this is stable last 6 |
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| 14:08.52 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 14:08.57 | kitelv1 | hi |
| 14:09.06 | thewanderer1 | what would you want Debian Testing for? O.o |
| 14:09.19 | Jim91 | I have a clean installed VPS running Debian 6 32 bit. When I'm trying to run a "apt-get dist-upgrade" I get the following errors: "insserv: Starting vzquota depends on single and therefore on system facility `$all' which can not be true!" followed by "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)". Can anyone help me out? |
| 14:09.24 | Bartzy | I'm using Squeeze with a Dell laptop. I try to connect an external monitor to the laptop via the VGA port, but the screen has weird flickering when movement or changes on the screen occur. |
| 14:09.25 | Bartzy | Any idea ? |
| 14:09.37 | Bartzy | This doesn't happen when I connect a Windows machine to the same screen. |
| 14:10.15 | abrotman | Bartzy: refresh rate? |
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| 14:10.24 | Bartzy | abrotman: 60Hz. |
| 14:10.29 | thewanderer1 | Jim91, you're using some crappy init script from outside Debian - disable it and see if anything breaks (are you using vzquota, anyway?) |
| 14:10.40 | Bartzy | abrotman: Maybe it's a driver issue? I don't know :\ |
| 14:10.44 | Jim91 | Yes it came pre-installed thewanderer |
| 14:10.52 | Jim91 | How can I remove the script? |
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| 14:11.08 | abrotman | Bartzy: 60Mhz for both ? |
| 14:11.26 | Bartzy | abrotman: Yes. |
| 14:11.26 | thewanderer1 | Jim91, probably mkdir /etc/crappy-scripts && mv /etc/init.d/vzquota /etc/crappy-scripts/ |
| 14:11.39 | abrotman | Bartzy: and same everything else? |
| 14:11.46 | abrotman | Bartzy: what is the driver? |
| 14:12.04 | abrotman | thewanderer1: uhm .. it's a VPS |
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| 14:12.44 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, yes, and? |
| 14:13.00 | abrotman | the vzquota might be important ? |
| 14:13.08 | thewanderer1 | probably not :P |
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| 14:13.11 | abrotman | judd: file bin/vzquota --release squeeze |
| 14:13.16 | judd | Search for bin/vzquota in squeeze/i386: vzquota: usr/sbin/vzquota |
| 14:13.20 | _ramo | lstarnes: so you don't use virsh? |
| 14:13.25 | abrotman | judd: info vzquota --release squeeze |
| 14:13.27 | judd | Package vzquota (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: server virtualization solution - quota tools. Version: 3.0.12-3; Size: 79.8k; Installed: 184k |
| 14:13.30 | tdrusk | I am wanting to understand repositories better. Lets say for example I have my sources set to main, then I add the debian-multimedia repository and do an aptitude update and aptitude upgrade. After doing that some new packages get pulled in. |
| 14:13.31 | tdrusk | Now, lets say I want my debian to be pure again. So I remove the debian-multimedia repo from my sources.list. How do I get my debian back to the way that it was prior to adding the debian-multimedia repo? Do I just do another update+upgrade or is there more? |
| 14:13.33 | Jim91 | trying |
| 14:13.48 | Bartzy | abrotman: I just fixed it - Apparently the laptop's power supply is somehow interfering.. probably malfunctioned... I'll replace it :) thanks |
| 14:13.54 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, AFAIK, it's a host's issue and the guests shouldn't be concerned about that |
| 14:13.59 | abrotman | tdrusk: you'd have to remove the dmm packages |
| 14:14.09 | abrotman | Bartzy: oh .. weird .. |
| 14:14.13 | abrotman | Bartzy: well, not weird, but crappy |
| 14:14.22 | Bartzy | Yeah, crappy is a good description |
| 14:14.28 | tdrusk | abrotman: how would I know what they are? |
| 14:14.42 | abrotman | !tell tdrusk about dmm list |
| 14:15.03 | tdrusk | abrotman: Thanks! |
| 14:15.25 | Bartzy | abrotman: Although I do have one more question. I set up the monitors as extended screens, and I dragged the gnome-panel (the one with all my icons and window list) to the external monitor. Everything is great, but when I disconnect the VGA port from the laptop, the laptop screen goes black and I have to hard reboot the laptop. |
| 14:15.28 | Bartzy | Any idea ? |
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| 14:16.44 | darsie | How do I reconfigure the default console keyboard layout? |
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| 14:17.57 | Vicky453 | thewanderer1: I wanted Debian Testing so I could have a higher chance of being able to use a more modern usb device |
| 14:18.17 | somiaj | darsie: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 14:18.30 | darsie | somiaj: console-data is not installed. |
| 14:18.34 | thewanderer1 | Vicky453, rule of the thumb: backports first, then resort to testing if bpo doesn't work |
| 14:19.05 | Vicky453 | thewanderer1: Well, I couldn't find what backport I needed |
| 14:19.06 | darsie | shall I install it? |
| 14:19.14 | Vicky453 | thewanderer1: So I was hoping testing had it |
| 14:19.42 | abrotman | Bartzy: nvidia? fglrx ? |
| 14:19.45 | thewanderer1 | Vicky453, you probably need a newer kernel |
| 14:19.46 | somiaj | darsie: do you have an /etc/default/keyboard file? |
| 14:19.49 | Bartzy | abrotman: Intel |
| 14:20.15 | abrotman | Bartzy: and if you turn off the external monitor first? it works fine ? |
| 14:20.18 | darsie | somiaj: yes ... |
| 14:20.44 | somiaj | darsie: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
| 14:20.44 | Bartzy | abrotman: Let me connect to IRC with another laptop so I can test and still talk |
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| 14:23.14 | lstarnes | _ramo: I don't need virsh |
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| 14:24.10 | Bartzy|work | abrotman - Testing |
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| 14:25.54 | Bartzy | abrotman: I think the power supply thing also fixed this issue! |
| 14:26.13 | Bartzy | abrotman: Now it works and gnome-panel even moves to the laptop when the external screen is not connected... |
| 14:26.28 | abrotman | Bartzy: uh, that's just weird |
| 14:26.37 | Bartzy | :p |
| 14:26.43 | Bartzy | There is one small issue |
| 14:27.36 | abrotman | it tried to eat your cookies? |
| 14:27.43 | Bartzy | :< |
| 14:28.06 | Bartzy | I have windows opened on the external monitor. When I disconnect it, gnome-panel moves to the laptop screen, and all the windows move to the laptop screen. That's good. However, when I reconnect the external monitor, gnome-panel moves to the external, but the windows stay in the laptop screen |
| 14:28.25 | abrotman | oh, i doubt that could be changed |
| 14:28.26 | Bartzy | You got me ? :\ |
| 14:28.35 | abrotman | does windows do tht? |
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| 14:29.02 | Bartzy | yeah, Windows have a "This is my main display" checkbox, and the windows on the old main display (laptop) move to the new main display (external). |
| 14:29.04 | abrotman | my OSX laptop for work doesn't handle that correctly either |
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| 14:29.29 | darsie | somiaj: Ok, thx. Now I need to configure the X keyboard (also for the display manager). |
| 14:29.34 | abrotman | Bartzy: how do you tell the apps t move though ? |
| 14:29.37 | Bartzy | abrotman: That doesn't make you mad ? |
| 14:29.54 | Bartzy | abrotman: Well the windows are still on the laptop screen but the gnome-panel is on the external. |
| 14:30.09 | abrotman | Bartzy: well, i try not to use the work laptop away from work :) |
| 14:30.17 | r00trunner | is there a guide to download and instlall debian squeeze in virtualbox? |
| 14:30.19 | Bartzy | abrotman: So every morning when you go to work, you plug in the external monitor and move stuff to the external screen ? |
| 14:30.24 | testswap | I would like to make one comment regarding Jim91 issue, dist-upgrading from a supported release by the host to a unspported version is asking for allot trouble .... That's based on if you're successful at it, if this was a dedicated or XEN solution, this would be a different sanerio |
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| 14:30.35 | Bartzy | abrotman: Maybe there's a command to move all windows to a specific screen ? :) |
| 14:30.46 | abrotman | Bartzy: no, i don't generally use it outside of work, but sometimes i do .. but when i do, it forgets where i want stuff in a dual head setup |
| 14:30.46 | Bartzy | then I'l use some shortcut |
| 14:30.54 | abrotman | Bartzy: what's yoru WM ? |
| 14:31.04 | Bartzy | Gnome |
| 14:31.10 | abrotman | your WM, not DE |
| 14:31.23 | Bartzy | metacity |
| 14:31.29 | Bartzy | what's DE ? |
| 14:31.46 | Bartzy | How can I check if it's Metacity (although I know it is, just to know where to check) ? |
| 14:31.47 | abrotman | Desktop Environment; GNOME,KDE,XFCE,LXDE .. |
| 14:31.48 | lstarnes | a desktop environment |
| 14:31.59 | Bartzy | ok |
| 14:32.05 | abrotman | Bartzy: tried like alt-space to see if there's a quick key option ? |
| 14:32.29 | Jim91 | Can anyone explain me what exactly vzquota does? And what if I remove it? Having big problems with it. |
| 14:32.49 | Bartzy | abrotman: Quick key to move to another monitor ? Alt-space on each window ? |
| 14:33.04 | abrotman | Bartzy: well, i didn't ask how many windows you have :( |
| 14:33.33 | darsie | How can I configure the X keyboard layout (also for the display manager)? dpkg-reconfigure <displaymanager>? or is there a global setup |
| 14:33.37 | Bartzy | abrotman: How can I check which WM I have ? :) |
| 14:33.39 | r00trunner | is there a guide to download and instlall debian squeeze in virtualbox? |
| 14:33.49 | abrotman | Bartzy: if you don't know .. probably metacity |
| 14:33.58 | daemonkeeper | r00trunner: 1) Download image 2) boot it in a guest |
| 14:34.00 | abrotman | r00trunner: same as the normal install guide .. what else do you want to know ? |
| 14:34.06 | Bartzy | abrotman: Yeah that's why I said metacity .. wanted to know if there's a command or log to look at |
| 14:34.15 | abrotman | r00trunner: the only special thing might be if there's a vbox X driver |
| 14:34.26 | abrotman | Bartzy: ps aux | grep city ? |
| 14:34.33 | daemonkeeper | There is, also Virtualbox has support for Debian in the assistant. |
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| 14:34.45 | Bartzy | cool |
| 14:34.55 | r00trunner | i didnt ever use virtualbox, so i need just the normal debian squeeze image right? |
| 14:35.00 | daemonkeeper | Yes |
| 14:35.01 | Bartzy | abrotman: So no answer to the windows on a different display thingie ? :) |
| 14:35.08 | abrotman | r00trunner: correct |
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| 14:35.54 | abrotman | Bartzy: not from me .. you could try google or the gnome irc channel, but given that most of them have probably moved to gnome3 at this point, you might not get much help |
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| 14:36.04 | abrotman | Bartzy: i never used gnome2 with dualhead |
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| 14:36.08 | Bartzy | Should I move to gnome3 too ? :) |
| 14:36.22 | heineken118 | no :O |
| 14:36.30 | abrotman | Bartzy: i like it .. it's a personal call |
| 14:36.37 | Bartzy | lol |
| 14:36.38 | Bartzy | OK |
| 14:36.41 | Bartzy | I have another question :) |
| 14:36.41 | meta-coder | http://rrrewind.com/assets/yearly/2010hn.html 365 top stories on Hacker News | 2011 |
| 14:36.43 | abrotman | Bartzy: but if you're on squeeze, gnome3 isn't available there |
| 14:36.45 | Bartzy | Last one |
| 14:36.48 | abrotman | meta-coder: wrong channel |
| 14:36.59 | Bartzy | Alt+Tab comes up pretty slow. |
| 14:37.24 | Bartzy | That's somehow configurable through disabling effects or something (although I didn't notice any effects) |
| 14:37.26 | Bartzy | ? |
| 14:37.46 | abrotman | Bartzy: not that i've noticed .. does it happen when you only have one monitor ? |
| 14:37.46 | Bartzy | Takes about 1.5 seconds to come up with the window switching thingie on the screen after I press Alt+Tab |
| 14:37.47 | Vicky453 | Are there simply no wheezy isos online? I've only seen stable? |
| 14:37.55 | Bartzy | abrotman: Yes. |
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| 14:38.16 | lstarnes | Vicky453: there are testing isos available but not from the same page as the ones for squeeze |
| 14:38.18 | abrotman | Vicky453: there are, but they're for testing the installation, not installing testing .. use the squeeze installer, then upgrade to wheezy |
| 14:39.30 | meta-coder | Vicky453, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 14:40.08 | r00trunner | if i want debian squeeze run in virtualbox, the i386 version should be ok, right? |
| 14:40.19 | daemonkeeper | Whatever you want. |
| 14:40.32 | daemonkeeper | AMD64 works too if your host system supports that |
| 14:40.37 | Bartzy | abrotman: When I disable "compositing manager" in gconf-editor , the Alt+tab screen comes up very fast, but with no "preview" pictures of the windows, and I also don't have the compositing effects.. |
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| 14:41.13 | abrotman | Bartzy: oh, i didn't use the preview thing .. i just wanted a list of apps |
| 14:41.26 | r00trunner | which dvd is the one i shouuld download?? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 14:41.35 | abrotman | r00trunner: the netinst .. it's 180MB |
| 14:41.37 | Bartzy | abrotman: How can I cancel only the preview thing without disabling the compositing effects ? |
| 14:42.06 | abrotman | Bartzy: see if it's in the Preferences .. |
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| 14:42.54 | meta-coder | Vicky453, did you find what you're looking for? |
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| 14:43.24 | interference | Hi! I'm trying to mount my iphone. I'm using squeeze stable. In this bug report, which i believe to be the problem http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=609012 it is stated that i should upgrade libimobiledevice1 to 1.0.4, and usbmuxd to 1.0.6. How do i do that? |
| 14:43.39 | abrotman | !tell interference about ssb |
| 14:43.42 | abrotman | good luck! |
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| 14:46.25 | interference | from what i could figure out ssb seems to be related to wireless stuff |
| 14:46.26 | r00trunner | man i can't find a woriking download link for the actual debian squeeze 32bits |
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| 14:46.53 | r00trunner | http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#smallcd doesn't work |
| 14:46.57 | Vicky453 | meta-coder: I'm not sure. I'm trying to get a usb modem to work and have been for a couple of days now. I couldn't find what I needed, tried messing with with wvdial and usb-modeswitch but am still lsot |
| 14:46.59 | Vicky453 | *lost |
| 14:47.00 | interference | abrotman: what is ssb and how can it help me? |
| 14:47.15 | Vicky453 | SO I thought maybe wheezy would help where stable couldn't |
| 14:47.16 | abrotman | r00trunner: interference you asked how you could get a newer version than what's in squeeze ? |
| 14:47.25 | abrotman | Vicky453: have you tried squeeze yet? |
| 14:47.28 | darsie | How can I select the wireless the 'usual way', i.e. select from a list of network names and enter the WPA password? |
| 14:47.36 | abrotman | darsie: when? |
| 14:47.40 | interference | abrotman: yes. |
| 14:47.41 | meta-coder | Vicky453, what kind of the modem is it? |
| 14:47.54 | abrotman | r00trunner: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 14:48.35 | darsie | abrotman: Well, having wireless outside of X came to my mind, but actually the case is during a desktop session. |
| 14:48.52 | r00trunner | abrotman: thx |
| 14:48.59 | darsie | abrotman: Is it different with every desktop environment? |
| 14:49.19 | Vicky453 | meta-coder: U600 Sprint EVDO. It has worked fine in Ubuntu and Mint but I just cannot go to Debian unless it works. It is incredibly frustrating for me; I have little shell experience or linux experience to use to solve it. |
| 14:49.24 | abrotman | darsie: which are you using ? |
| 14:49.34 | abrotman | Vicky453: have you tried squeeze yet? |
| 14:49.55 | darsie | abrotman: I just installed debian, so there is gnome, but we may switch to lxde or xfce. |
| 14:50.25 | Vicky453 | abrotman: Yes, I have. |
| 14:50.30 | abrotman | darsie: gnome has network-manager which generally does what you want, also wicd is popular |
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| 14:51.30 | meta-coder | Vicky453, http://shop2.sprint.com/en/software_downloads/mobile_broadband/sprint_u600.shtml <-- They have a Linux setup guide there |
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| 14:52.25 | Vicky453 | meta-coder: Thanks! |
| 14:52.53 | interference | abrotman: sorry, i really cant figure out what ssb is and how it is related to my problem |
| 14:53.41 | darsie | abrotman: In the from the system menu I get to nm-connection-editor, which doesn't show a list but asks for SSID, Mode, BSSID, MAC-Address, MTU ... |
| 14:54.02 | abrotman | darsie: sounds like the wrong wifi manager |
| 14:54.06 | abrotman | judd: version susbmuxd |
| 14:54.08 | judd | No package named 'susbmuxd' was found in i386. |
| 14:54.16 | abrotman | judd: versions usbmuxd |
| 14:54.16 | judd | Package: usbmuxd on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.4-1; sid: 1.0.7-1; wheezy: 1.0.7-1 |
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| 14:54.24 | abrotman | judd: versions libimobiledevice1 |
| 14:54.25 | judd | Package: libimobiledevice1 on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.2-1 |
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| 14:54.58 | abrotman | interference: so for the usbmuxd, you can use 'ssb' to backport what is in wheezy/sid .. for libimobiledevice1, /msg dpkg uupdate is your best option i suppose |
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| 15:00.47 | meta-coder | NOOOO! This problem has returned!!! http://pastebin.com/6c2pSHwm |
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| 15:02.05 | meta-coder | Vicky453, did that setup guide help? |
| 15:03.44 | darsie | hmm, ifconfig doesn't show wlan0 ... |
| 15:03.57 | r00trunner | i dont get how to run debian squeeze in virtualbox. i've downloaded the net iso. but virtualbox wants to have a .dvi.any help? |
| 15:04.24 | trist4n | nooo it doesnt |
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| 15:05.31 | r00trunner | ah sry my fault, got it |
| 15:06.01 | Vicky453 | meta-coder: I'm kind of busy at the moment, but I'll be able to try it later today. |
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| 15:06.37 | abrotman | darsie: so the wifi doesn't work at all? |
| 15:07.13 | Vicky453 | meta-coder: Are you a regular here? If it works, I will certainly get back to you. I'll let you know if it does. |
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| 15:11.34 | darsie | abrotman: I'm installing firmware-iwlwifi ... |
| 15:12.20 | meta-coder | I think there is some bug in kernel 2.6.32-*. [drm:i915_hangcheck_elapsed] *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... GPU hung |
| 15:12.43 | meta-coder | I on squeeze 6.0.3 |
| 15:12.46 | dvs | meta-coder: So get a newer kernel |
| 15:13.05 | dvs | !tell meta-coder about bpo |
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| 15:13.46 | meta-coder | dvs, ok. switching to a newer kernel now. |
| 15:14.14 | abrotman | darsie: good start |
| 15:14.45 | darsie | now, reboot, or modprobe <which?> |
| 15:14.56 | abrotman | darsie: shuld magically happen |
| 15:15.03 | darsie | hmm, still no wlan0 ... |
| 15:15.18 | darsie | eth0, lo, pan0 |
| 15:15.37 | abrotman | darsie: dmesg | grep iwl ? |
| 15:15.43 | CrazyGir | hello! so I did a new/clean install on a desktop yesterday, but didn't select any extra packages during the install (like desktop/ssh server/etc) I went to add packages now, after the install, but apt is unable to even find vim & other basic packages |
| 15:15.59 | CrazyGir | do I need to add something magickal to sources.list? |
| 15:16.06 | _ramo | how can i see the dns my host i using? |
| 15:16.12 | darsie | abrotman: empty |
| 15:16.22 | abrotman | CrazyGir: your sources.list is missing a main source |
| 15:16.30 | dvs | CrazyEddy: paste your sources.list |
| 15:16.36 | abrotman | _ramo: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:16.37 | dvs | doh! |
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| 15:16.50 | abrotman | darsie: lspci -nn | grep -i wireless .. anything ? |
| 15:18.19 | darsie | abrotman: nothing, but I have Intel Corporation WiFi 100 Series [8086:08ae] |
| 15:18.20 | CrazyGir | dvs: it is difficult to paste, as that system doesn't really have anything installed |
| 15:18.37 | CrazyGir | abrotman: there's a main list for security.debian.org |
| 15:18.38 | CrazyGir | but yea, it's oddly empty |
| 15:18.43 | abrotman | CrazyGir: /msg dpkg sources.list .. use what's there |
| 15:18.50 | abrotman | darsie: and you have 2.6.32 ? |
| 15:18.52 | CrazyGir | why would this happen coming out of the installer like this? |
| 15:19.00 | ix | abrotman: better to grep for "Networking" |
| 15:19.00 | abrotman | you had no network during install |
| 15:19.12 | abrotman | ix: woulodn't have worked either in this case |
| 15:19.15 | darsie | 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 15:19.25 | CrazyGir | seems silly.. not installing packages is awesome at times, having to add package repos for basic packages seems a bit overboard |
| 15:19.26 | ix | abrotman: Oh. |
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| 15:20.23 | abrotman | judd: versions firmware-iwlwifi |
| 15:20.23 | judd | Package: firmware-iwlwifi on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 0.14+lenny2; lenny-backports/non-free: 0.27~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.32~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 0.34; wheezy/non-free: 0.34 |
| 15:20.35 | dvs | CrazyGir: It adds the sources from mirrors if they're selected during the install |
| 15:20.37 | abrotman | darsie: try the firmware in backports.org + the newer kernel |
| 15:20.42 | CrazyGir | abrotman: is the proper thing to add these to /etc/apt/sources.list? or apt/sources.list.d/foo ? |
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| 15:21.01 | CrazyGir | dvs: thanks for clarifying |
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| 15:21.11 | abrotman | CrazyGir: sources.list |
| 15:21.17 | abrotman | !tell darsie about bpo |
| 15:21.20 | darsie1 | abrotman: ok ... |
| 15:22.06 | CrazyGir | I went this route because the first desktop install I did was on a laptop, and that ended up with gnome. the next time I said desktop during the installer, I got KDE. and so this time I thought I'd say nothing and then add later. |
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| 15:22.29 | CrazyGir | are there different install isos that have gnome / kde? or is this something I overlooked during the install? |
| 15:22.38 | dvs | CrazyGir: yes |
| 15:22.48 | CrazyGir | that's an either or :) |
| 15:22.50 | abrotman | there are .. but generally it's better to use the netinst and get exactly what youneed |
| 15:22.57 | trist4n | iaw abrotman |
| 15:23.12 | abrotman | CrazyGir: actually, there are specific ISOs, but you also overlooked it during the install |
| 15:23.22 | abrotman | looks at trist4n |
| 15:23.30 | CrazyGir | both, ok :) |
| 15:23.51 | mtrd` | Hello, i'm installing debian; during installation process, i have to specify a place for ethernet controller driver, i don't have it. I installed debian without it. Now i can't get this controller to work. what can i do ? |
| 15:24.03 | abrotman | what controller is it? |
| 15:24.12 | mtrd` | it's a RealTek TRL8111/8168B |
| 15:24.19 | abrotman | !rtl8168b |
| 15:24.28 | abrotman | mtrd`: i'd imagine it should just work |
| 15:24.30 | mtrd` | i installed firmware-realtek with apt |
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| 15:24.47 | abrotman | okay ... |
| 15:24.56 | abrotman | mtrd`: did you configure hte NIC in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 15:25.00 | mtrd` | but doesn't work though... |
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| 15:25.11 | mtrd` | no. never heard of that |
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| 15:25.38 | abrotman | mtrd`: man interfaces if youneed help .. generally "allow-hotplug eth0\niface eth0 inet dhcp" should be enough .. assuming it's eth0 |
| 15:26.03 | mtrd` | ok i try it, thank you abrotman |
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| 15:28.36 | darsie1 | abrotman: linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686 ? |
| 15:29.01 | abrotman | darsie1: read the instructions, the package you want is linux-image-686 .. but the instructions wiill tell you how to install it |
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| 15:29.15 | abrotman | darsie1: if you're not usint the -t, you're not doing it right |
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| 15:30.01 | muzone | Why can't I wget -r -A pdf,doc http://www.fabricly.com? https://gist.github.com/1519382 - it doesn't make any difference if I add HTML to the list. Running the same command on other sites though usually yields tons of PDFs and DOCs. |
| 15:30.01 | darsie1 | abrotman: I'm searching whith apt-cache ... |
| 15:30.06 | mtrd` | i have two lines already abrotman : allow-hotplug eth0 and iface eth0 inet dhcp am i missing the "n" ? ("niface") |
| 15:30.34 | trist4n | no its iface |
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| 15:31.26 | mtrd` | so interfaces seems to be okay |
| 15:31.29 | mtrd` | any clues ? |
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| 15:31.39 | Dev0n | hey, how do I clear a screen session ? |
| 15:31.51 | Dev0n | while an app is running through screen |
| 15:33.24 | abrotman | mtrd`: type sorry |
| 15:33.32 | mtrd` | no problem |
| 15:33.33 | abrotman | Dev0n: clear ? |
| 15:33.39 | CrazyGir | thanks for the assistance abrotman / dvs |
| 15:33.50 | abrotman | mtrd`: dmesg | grep eth .. see anything ? |
| 15:33.54 | _ramo | what packages do i need to run vmbuilder without problems? i'm always running into problems when running my vmbuilder command? is there a list of dependencies for that tool? |
| 15:33.55 | dvs | np |
| 15:34.08 | Dev0n | abrotman, well if I do screen -dm app or w/e and I do screen -r to see the screen session |
| 15:34.29 | Dev0n | if there is any text in that screen, is it possible to clear without killing the app |
| 15:34.31 | abrotman | Dev0n: ctrl-l ? |
| 15:34.50 | Dev0n | that did nothing apart from |
| 15:34.53 | Dev0n | swho ^L |
| 15:34.55 | Dev0n | show* |
| 15:34.59 | mtrd` | abrotman, a line with controller's name and memory addresses |
| 15:35.05 | mtrd` | and some other digits |
| 15:35.09 | abrotman | mtrd`: what is the eth line ? |
| 15:35.22 | s70rm | muzone: try in #linux |
| 15:35.45 | Dev0n | abaddon, what I really want to do is when I screen -r again, all the text from before to be cleared |
| 15:36.05 | muzone | s70rm: thanks a lot asshole |
| 15:36.14 | abrotman | hey, stop |
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| 15:36.27 | mtrd` | [ 1.141944] r8169 0000:02:00.0: eth0: RTL8168e/8111e at 0xf7ca4000, 90:fb:a6:e1:27:4b, XID 0c100000 IRQ 32 |
| 15:36.34 | abrotman | so it is eth0 ... |
| 15:36.42 | abrotman | mtrd`: so if you now 'ifup eth0' .. what happens |
| 15:37.32 | abrotman | muzone: try to quote it ? |
| 15:37.52 | mtrd` | abrotman, lost the lines but seems configured |
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| 15:38.00 | abrotman | mtrd`: okay |
| 15:38.09 | mtrd` | when i run it again : "already conifgured" |
| 15:38.10 | abrotman | mtrd`: when you reboot, shold be automagic |
| 15:38.18 | mtrd` | alright, trying that now ! |
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| 15:38.55 | darsie1 | reboots ... |
| 15:39.14 | muzone | abrotman: nah sorry |
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| 15:40.39 | jelly-home | muzone: one possibility is the site doesn't use ".html" extension for their html pages. Another is they have robots.txt in place, and wget obeys it |
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| 15:41.06 | muzone | jelly-home: interesting! |
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| 15:41.19 | muzone | yeah i think the site uses rails so theres no indexes |
| 15:41.21 | _ramo | is anyone familiar with vmbuilder here? i try to run it on debian squeeze but get a output llike this: http://privatepaste.com/9322fa37a3/asfd2f23 |
| 15:41.30 | mtrd` | ok it seems to work since ifconfig looks okay to me, thank you abrotman ! :) |
| 15:41.38 | muzone | as for the robots, i read the wget manual but couldn't find a way to ignore robots.txt |
| 15:42.25 | dvs | mtrd`: does it work now<<<<<<<<</ |
| 15:42.35 | dvs | ohh. that's special |
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| 15:42.52 | mtrd` | dvs, excuse me ? |
| 15:43.09 | dvs | mtrd`: does the network card work now? |
| 15:43.17 | mtrd` | yes i think so |
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| 15:43.32 | dvs | cool |
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| 15:43.38 | mtrd` | i can't try it since apt doesn't to fetch online |
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| 15:45.04 | mtrd` | is it okay to comment the cdrom line in sources.list to make aptitude to fetch repositories instead of cdrom ? |
| 15:45.16 | dvs | mtrd`: yes |
| 15:45.26 | _ramo | is vol_id available in debian squeeze or was it substituted with blkid? |
| 15:45.34 | dvs | once you have the online working, you can erase the cdrom lines |
| 15:45.41 | mtrd` | thank you dvs |
| 15:45.46 | dvs | np |
| 15:46.03 | jelly-home | muzone: I suggest you first inspect the site's robots.txt manually before blaming it for the symptoms. |
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| 15:46.40 | mosno | why is shed (a hex editor) in Section admin instead of editors? |
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| 15:50.32 | darsie1 | abrotman: packages.debian.org has firmware-iwlwifi0.32~bpo60+1, but apt-cache only finds 0.28+squeeze1. I now have 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae, so my backports setup seems to work ... |
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| 15:54.06 | darsie1 | hmm, I could manually d/l the package ... |
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| 15:56.19 | _ramo | how do i get only the uuid of a device using the blkid command? |
| 15:56.34 | darsie1 | grep? |
| 15:57.09 | dvs | _ramo: ls /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 15:58.10 | mgodzilla | i have broke'd my updates? |
| 15:58.40 | mgodzilla | i get 'a fatal error has been detected in update-manager. Do you want to report bug, etc.' |
| 15:58.48 | mgodzilla | when i try to run updates. |
| 15:58.50 | mgodzilla | :/ |
| 15:58.55 | mgodzilla | help? |
| 15:59.06 | lstarnes | mgodzilla: try apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 15:59.22 | muzone | jelly: great idea |
| 15:59.28 | mgodzilla | thank you :) |
| 15:59.49 | muzone | jelly: so yeah, it says # Disallow: / |
| 16:00.01 | muzone | # is a comment in robots.txt? |
| 16:00.09 | lstarnes | yes |
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| 16:00.50 | meta-coder | According to Synaptic, version 0.99~bpo60+1 is NOT greater than 0.98.8. |
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| 16:04.56 | darsie1 | abrotman: Ok, wireless is now working. I d/led the backports firmware, since my apt didn't see it. Didn't work magically ,but after a reboot. |
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| 16:06.49 | darsie1 | Now ... how do I set the X keyboard layout? dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration only worked for the console. |
| 16:07.25 | meta-coder | upgraded to linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae in the hope that it solves the *GPU hung* problem. |
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| 16:09.46 | yagoo | darsie1, xkeybinds |
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| 16:10.33 | yagoo | darsie, apropos xbind |
| 16:12.09 | darsie1 | yagoo: I'm searching for that. not installed ... |
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| 16:17.11 | abrotman | darsie1: okay, good |
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| 16:19.11 | darsie1 | yagoo: packages.debian.org doesn't find the file xbind |
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| 16:27.31 | darsie1 | I can't find the console dvorak keyboard definition file to load with loadkeys. |
| 16:28.07 | yagoo | darsie, it's different for x |
| 16:28.30 | darsie1 | Yes, but I want to work in the console with dvorak, too. |
| 16:29.11 | darsie1 | I have a script that switches between dvorak and the keymap for mere mortals :). |
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| 16:29.43 | darsie1 | it's called asdf :). aoeu switches back to querty |
| 16:29.58 | no_gravity | Hello from Germany! Im searching for a mail client that can connect to IMAP and doesnt store anything locally. Any suggestions? |
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| 16:30.42 | darsie1 | Much quicker than dpkg-configure keyboard-configuration ... |
| 16:30.56 | darsie1 | but there's no dvorak keymap ... |
| 16:31.31 | darsie | no_gravity: icedove (thunderbird)? |
| 16:31.32 | nvz | no_gravity: you'd have to use a web based mail client hosted elsewhere and still anything you view would be cached locally |
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| 16:32.16 | yagoo | darsie1, did you try any guides online (google: debian wiki dvorak) |
| 16:32.19 | nvz | no_gravity: taking the messages off the server is always optional, but storing them locally is a requirement the only option is to delete them afterwars |
| 16:33.03 | darsie | no_gravity: you could setup a separate iceweasel profile for tor, private browsing ... |
| 16:33.25 | nvz | private browsing with tor doesnt effect local storage in any way |
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| 16:33.49 | darsie | yagoo: not yet. I just tried how it used to work. |
| 16:33.56 | yagoo | nvz, imap is meant not to store email locally |
| 16:34.30 | darsie | yagoo: That's how it's often used, but is it really meant to only read online? |
| 16:34.39 | nvz | everything you see is stored locally |
| 16:34.47 | yagoo | nvz, not imap |
| 16:34.52 | darsie | in RAM. |
| 16:34.53 | yagoo | not everything |
| 16:35.00 | yagoo | is he talking about a kiosk? |
| 16:35.09 | yagoo | cuse that would be a real issue |
| 16:35.40 | yagoo | no_gravity, what's wrong with thunderbird/icedove? |
| 16:36.00 | yagoo | no_gravity, but "something" would be stored locally. otherwise go 100% web |
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| 16:36.10 | darsie | loadkeys doesn't seem to find any keymap. It's broken :(. |
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| 16:36.18 | ampex | if I was to create a minimized Linux distro for the purpose of booting KVM machines from local disk would I be better off having the machine boot to it via USB flash drive or CompactFlash? |
| 16:36.28 | ompaul | imap will create some files locally usually index files and the like |
| 16:36.34 | yagoo | no_gravity, i was thinking of not having any email stored locally. that's what i was thinking.. |
| 16:36.37 | ompaul | other than that it leaves stuff online |
| 16:36.46 | ompaul | s/online/on server/ |
| 16:36.52 | no_gravity | yagoo: with thunderbird its wrong that it caches the mails. |
| 16:37.22 | yagoo | sounds like you want a kiosk-like system.. i guess the safest is to use a web interface gateway.. |
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| 16:38.20 | meta-coder | How do I mount a ISO image at /dev/cdrom ? |
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| 16:39.11 | yagoo | meta-coder, /dev is not used as mountpoints.. you mean /mnt/cdrom |
| 16:39.58 | Leoneof | hi, how to update kde to v4.7 ? |
| 16:39.59 | meta-coder | yagoo, No, I want to simulate the ISO image at the block special /dev/cdrom |
| 16:40.04 | yagoo | meta-coder, if you're using a un-intelligent app (and i've only seen one that does), that requires a /dev/ path to a cdrom device.. you can try to use the losetup command and use /dev/loop# to the application |
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| 16:40.46 | yagoo | (losetup -a lists your loopback devices thereafter) |
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| 16:41.09 | josh9 | I am trying to set up WiFi (Realtek RTL8188CE) on Wheezy. I followed http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x - I installed 'firmware-realtek' and 'wireless-tools' and run 'modprobe rtl8192ce'. Here is the output of 'lsmod |grep rtl' and 'modprobe -l |grep rtl' and a few more - http://pastebin.com/hz6sYH5A any tips would be welcome! |
| 16:41.12 | meta-coder | yagoo, I am trying to install packages from Debian DVD ISO images.... :) :) I don't want to burn them to DVDs |
| 16:42.02 | nvz | josh9: lsmod output is fairly useless, dmesg shows what actually happened |
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| 16:42.43 | josh9 | nvz: ok. will look at it now |
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| 16:43.11 | yagoo | wonders if an install plugin can mount .iso for meta-coder but he left |
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| 16:45.11 | abrotman | yagoo: i think it's already installed .. and yes, he could mount hte ISO |
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| 16:48.46 | josh9 | nvz: here is my dmesg - http://paste.debian.net/150209/ is there a specific command i should run before outputing it? |
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| 16:50.20 | meta-coder | yagoo, say again. i was disconnected |
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| 16:51.34 | yagoo | meta-coder, if i may be correct, debian's installer has plugins, you should check to see if there's a plugin for mounting iso images |
| 16:51.50 | abrotman | is he actually in the installer? |
| 16:52.10 | meta-coder | abrotman, no |
| 16:52.22 | yagoo | meta-coder, if you're doing mass installation on a lan, you could try to make your own lan repo... copy the .deb files to a lan ftp site and use dpkg-scanpackages command |
| 16:52.37 | abrotman | meta-coder: what problem are you trying to solve ? |
| 16:52.38 | yagoo | not sure.. |
| 16:52.50 | yagoo | <meta-coder> yagoo, I am trying to install packages from Debian DVD ISO images.... :) :) I don't want to burn them to DVDs |
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| 16:53.07 | abrotman | is that the real problem? |
| 16:53.16 | yagoo | ^ not sure what he means exactly from that point.. if he's not installing then what yuo trying to do meta-coder ? |
| 16:53.18 | abrotman | if the system has network, why use ISOs at all |
| 16:53.24 | yagoo | yah.. |
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| 16:53.49 | yagoo | i think he means to use file:/// in his sources.list |
| 16:53.49 | meta-coder | is it possible to mount ISO images to block special files? |
| 16:54.02 | abrotman | meta-coder: what problem are you really trying to solve? |
| 16:54.10 | yagoo | meta-coder, you mean to use dpkg-scanpackages and file://// in you sources.list ? |
| 16:54.22 | abrotman | gives up and lets yagoo do whatever he wants |
| 16:54.24 | yagoo | abrotman, i think he's tryign to setup his local repo |
| 16:54.41 | nvz | josh9: not much info there, shows nothing other than the card being assigned IRQ and the wireless switch being on.. doesnt indicate it being assigned an interface name or anything |
| 16:54.42 | abrotman | i'm asking him .. |
| 16:54.45 | yagoo | abrotman, it's pretty obvious (at least it seems to be) |
| 16:54.50 | yagoo | lol |
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| 16:54.52 | abrotman | no, it's not |
| 16:55.07 | abrotman | why is he using ISOs? why won't he burn thenm to a DVD? |
| 16:55.13 | meta-coder | abrotman, how to mount ISO image to block special file <-- that's my humble question |
| 16:55.15 | nvz | josh9: di you see an interface for it in ifconfig -a ? |
| 16:55.30 | TimmyT | there is a raw image of a disk, the whole disk. is there anyway to mount that somewhere and extract some files from that? (this is not like a raw image of a partition, so it is not possible to mount it with loop option) |
| 16:55.32 | yagoo | meta-coder, i already answered you.. you can use losetup |
| 16:55.42 | yagoo | meta-coder, you may have missed that upon irc disconnect |
| 16:56.03 | meta-coder | yagoo, ok |
| 16:56.17 | josh9 | nvz: yes!! i see wlan0. i don't know what happened... |
| 16:56.18 | abrotman | why use ISOs at all? why not use an http source? |
| 16:56.21 | yagoo | really doesn't know meta-coder's intentions.. but is happy to answer his little query |
| 16:56.47 | meta-coder | yagoo, thanks :) |
| 16:56.50 | abrotman | he could mount each ISO and use apt-cdrom |
| 16:56.57 | abrotman | but the entire idea is silly |
| 16:56.59 | nvz | josh9: well I'd attempt a connection or at the very least an assignment of address and review the bottom of dmesg again |
| 16:57.00 | josh9 | nvz: now i can try to 'up' it? |
| 16:57.07 | yagoo | meta-coder, you also should pay attention to what others are asking. your question has no um clarity what your true intentions are |
| 16:57.38 | josh9 | nvz: r8169 0000:01:00.0: eth0: link up ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready |
| 16:57.51 | nvz | josh9: thats the wired interface |
| 16:57.52 | josh9 | nvz: what do u think i did? |
| 16:57.55 | josh9 | oh |
| 16:57.59 | abrotman | unless the target system has no internet at all (direct or proxy), using all of those ISOs is a waste of time and network resources |
| 16:58.19 | yagoo | ya.. totally .. like 64 .isoz.. lol |
| 16:58.43 | josh9 | nvz: when i try ifconfig wlan0 up i get: SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not possible due to RF-kill |
| 16:58.58 | josh9 | i installe rfkill a few hours ago. |
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| 16:59.10 | serealj | does anyone know where I change xterm colors? Like I know I can do -fg -bg, but certain colors are hard to see (mostly this really dark blue that is typically comments) |
| 16:59.18 | nvz | josh9: is rfkill installed? dmesg said the switch was on, but the rfkill utility allows you to manipulate that |
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| 17:00.24 | josh9 | nvz: yes. rfkill is installed. should i uninstall it? |
| 17:00.45 | nvz | josh9: uh no, you should use it.. to check/turn off the switches |
| 17:01.01 | yagoo | serealj, those are just hand written to rgb.txt .. you can also make your own color names to that file.. you can list the default colors somewhere.. (locate rgb.txt) |
| 17:01.23 | josh9 | nvz: Soft blocked: yes |
| 17:01.30 | yagoo | serealj, locate rgb.txt gives me /etc/X11/rgb.txt |
| 17:01.43 | josh9 | nvz: (i see it when i type rfkill list) |
| 17:01.52 | nvz | josh9: then you need to unblock it |
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| 17:02.27 | serealj | err but it's not the fg bg colors, it's when say i'm editing a bash script and have a # comment, the color changes to a dark blue for instance, I want to change just that color. |
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| 17:02.57 | serealj | do I just need to go threw the rgb.txt and find that color and change it? |
| 17:03.15 | yagoo | serealj, can you ask the channel exactly what you're doing? you really have me guessing.. I can think of 5 things than can give you color in bash along with xterm -bg -fg parameters |
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| 17:04.14 | josh9 | nvz: tl8192c_common: Loading firmware file rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin |
| 17:04.22 | josh9 | nvz: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
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| 17:05.02 | serealj | basically I do xterm -bg DarkOrange4 -fg wheat2 -name work2 and I like the fg and bg colors, but when I'm editing something in vi with :syntax on (and also just doing ls and stuff) I there are a few colors that are hard to read. |
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| 17:05.14 | nvz | josh9: ifconfig 0.0.0.0 wlan0 should make the status ready or just try connect |
| 17:05.46 | serealj | I don't want to change ALL the colors since I also have different fg and bg settings for terminals that do different things. |
| 17:06.17 | josh9 | nvz: wlan0: Unknown host |
| 17:06.37 | nvz | josh9: I apparently had the arguments backwards |
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| 17:07.05 | nvz | I'm still not fully awake yet and choaking on f'n body spray that this kid just sprayed |
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| 17:07.49 | _ramo | hi |
| 17:07.56 | _ramo | should i use LVM partitioning for a server setup? |
| 17:08.56 | nvz | depends on if you want LVM or not |
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| 17:09.20 | _ramo | nvz: i don't know if it is proper for servers |
| 17:10.14 | nvz | _ramo: lvm allows you to do things like add new drives and extend partitions across multiple disks as well as resize partitions easily.. but you have to know how to do all that otherwise its just something thats going to prevent you from administering the machine |
| 17:10.30 | nvz | _ramo: if you don't know how to use LVM and don't need the benefits, then its foolish to use it |
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| 17:11.18 | nvz | _ramo: also if you do extend a partition across multiple drives and any of them fails you lose all the data.. so.. |
| 17:12.04 | nvz | its often ideally combined with a RAID setup and is a lot more complicated to maintain.. if you're asking cances are you dont know how to do this.. its up to you if the features are needed or if you want to use them |
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| 17:12.42 | josh9 | nvz: ifconfig wlan0 scan |
| 17:12.49 | josh9 | nvz: shows scan: Unknown host |
| 17:13.15 | nvz | josh9: use iwconfig, ifconfig thinks you are trying to assign the hostname "scan" to the interface |
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| 17:13.48 | yagoo | _ramo, i find using raid1 +non-lvm rather relatively easy .. you may like to go this route for securing at least some redudancy |
| 17:14.32 | josh9 | nvz: what do u mean by 'use' i tried iwconfig wlan0 scan but scan is not a known command |
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| 17:14.58 | nvz | josh9: thats right its not.. heh. just figured you'd keep trying things until you asked how to do it right |
| 17:14.59 | yagoo | _ramo, (what i also mean is that you can do software raid1 .. the debian6 installer supports setting up raid from the install dialog) |
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| 17:15.07 | nvz | josh9: its iwlist wlan0 scan |
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| 17:15.32 | nvz | josh9: ifconfig is for assigning address info, iwconfig for associating with APs and iwlist for scanning |
| 17:15.34 | yagoo | josh9, maybe iwlist |
| 17:16.13 | meta-coder | WTH! I am still getting *GPU hung* freezes with the new kernel from squeeze-backports!! |
| 17:17.36 | meta-coder | http://pastebin.com/wXFqNRZ2 |
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| 17:18.22 | josh9 | nvz: yagoo ok. i see the networks around me! i'll configure wicd-curses now! |
| 17:18.42 | josh9 | nvz: so what was the issue? rfkill was blocking it? |
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| 17:20.37 | nvz | josh9: yes |
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| 17:21.24 | josh9 | nvz: nice. so i got wheezy up and running. thank you |
| 17:21.35 | Andre_H | i get a strange SIGSEGV on sparc64, seems to me like a broken PLT fixup: http://pastebin.com/JFN2w6q2 |
| 17:21.43 | Andre_H | 033dfa34 seems like a wrongly fixed up opcode to me. What do you guess? |
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| 17:25.59 | meta-coder | I think I need a newer kernel newer than 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae to solve the *GPU hung* freezes |
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| 17:26.41 | yagoo | meta-coder, you get a blackscreen on boot? |
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| 17:27.12 | bambanx | hi |
| 17:27.20 | Andre_H | see also http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2011-December/093585.html |
| 17:27.39 | meta-coder | yagoo, everything just freezes except the mouse pointer. After reboot everything is fine |
| 17:28.14 | tdrusk | How do I make an image of my current setup so I can install it for my dad? |
| 17:29.08 | meta-coder | yagoo, should I install the kernel from Wheezy/testing? |
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| 17:30.54 | meta-coder | I thought distributions embed the Intel graphics driver in their kernel/modules.. I found this http://intellinuxgraphics.org/2011Q4.html |
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| 17:33.15 | meta-coder | This is funny though: "*ERROR* GPU hanging too fast, declaring wedged!" |
| 17:33.45 | meta-coder | Here is the complete story: http://pastebin.com/wXFqNRZ2 |
| 17:33.52 | nkuttler | meta-coder: can you boot any other kernel? |
| 17:33.55 | yagoo | meta-coder, does your problem only occur when you switch to plaintext console(tty1-tty6) ? |
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| 17:35.06 | meta-coder | yagoo, No. I think it occurs when I am doing graphically intense things. Eg Minimizing a window: the rapid rectangle in rectangle effects |
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| 17:36.33 | meta-coder | nkuttler, I boot without a hitch. But when I am working suddenly everything'll freeze |
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| 17:39.03 | twanny796 | just did a net install debian, but it seems that I have a problem with the nic card |
| 17:39.14 | twanny796 | installed on a Dell PE2400 |
| 17:39.14 | meta-coder | http://catb.org/jargon/html/W/wedged.html <-- "wedged is more severe than hung" |
| 17:39.15 | nkuttler | meta-coder: yeah, misread that. no idea |
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| 17:39.42 | nkuttler | meta-coder: well, no idea other than using a lightweight wm.. |
| 17:40.07 | nkuttler | !tell twanny796 about errors |
| 17:40.15 | meta-coder | nkuttler, you mean xfce/lxde ? |
| 17:40.35 | nkuttler | meta-coder: i use openbox myself, but anything that doesn't need a gpu will do in your case i guess |
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| 17:42.26 | twanny796 | nkuttler: cannot ping other computers, when I was intalling it asked for e100/d101m_ucode.bin |
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| 17:43.05 | nkuttler | twanny796: please paste the output of lspci, dmesg, ifconfig |
| 17:43.06 | nkuttler | !paste |
| 17:43.07 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
| 17:43.09 | meta-coder | nkuttler, what window manager do you suggest? |
| 17:44.05 | nkuttler | meta-coder: well i don't really want to suggest anything.. but the problems you have is why i prefer to use a simpler setup. wouldn't want my gui to depend on stuff that doesn't always work |
| 17:44.42 | nkuttler | meta-coder: actually, you probably can simply disable fancy effects somewhere |
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| 17:45.15 | meta-coder | nkuttler, where can I disable those effects? |
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| 17:45.38 | nkuttler | meta-coder: i wouldn't know. gnome/compiz/kde settings, whatever you use |
| 17:45.51 | meta-coder | nkuttler, gnome |
| 17:46.11 | meta-coder | nkuttler, gconf-editor? |
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| 17:47.06 | nkuttler | meta-coder: well last time i used gnome there was gnome-control-center.. but that was some time ago |
| 17:47.28 | meta-coder | Should I upgrade xorg to the one from squeeze-backports? |
| 17:48.41 | twanny796 | nkuttler: http://pastie.org/3075904 |
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| 17:49.42 | nkuttler | twanny796: which card do you want to use? the realtek or intel one? |
| 17:50.02 | nkuttler | twanny796: oh one interface is up... so you just have a networking problem? |
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| 17:50.47 | twanny796 | nkuttler: eth0 ? |
| 17:50.52 | nkuttler | twanny796: last entry for your eth0 [ 172.029905] eth0: link down |
| 17:50.58 | nkuttler | so.. plug in the cable |
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| 17:53.01 | twanny796 | nkuttler: cable is plugged, I think there's a missing driver |
| 17:53.15 | twanny796 | nkuttler: requesting e100/d101m_ucode.bin |
| 17:53.56 | twanny796 | nkuttler: do you think rebooting with the driver in usb, will work? |
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| 17:55.19 | nkuttler | twanny796: that's for eth1. just use eth0 for now |
| 17:56.08 | twanny796 | nkuttler: which is eth1 - realtek? |
| 17:57.03 | twanny796 | nkuttler: rebooting with usb with drivers, prob the drivers are not good |
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| 18:00.38 | nkuttler | twanny796: your eth0 is up and running.. it's the intel. use it. |
| 18:01.20 | twanny796 | nkuttler: I have an onboard nic and a pci nic, I think eth0 is the onboard one? |
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| 18:02.37 | twanny796 | nkuttler: no, I don't think eth0 is up, it's missing a driver I had this prob before, |
| 18:03.06 | nkuttler | twanny796: ok. good luck then |
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| 18:04.01 | madmac2501 | hi, i am not sure in which channel ask |
| 18:04.12 | twanny796 | nkuttler:how do I install the driver???? |
| 18:04.38 | madmac2501 | i have a laptop with a squeeze distribution, but i have some packets from testing for the wifi card and for the video card |
| 18:05.02 | Dev0n | anyone here messed with nic bondign ? |
| 18:05.04 | Dev0n | bonding |
| 18:05.07 | madmac2501 | my laptop hangs from time to time, how can i help to provide info to fix the freezes? |
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| 18:13.14 | Quimbey | hi, is there an easy way of updating a debian lenny system to the newest version of mplayer? i cant find the package in lenny-backports :-( |
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| 18:14.53 | nkuttler | !tell Quimbey about dmm |
| 18:14.58 | meta-coder | "Sawfish, fvwm2, icewm, Waimea, Openbox works with the GNOME 2.2" --Gnome release notes |
| 18:16.15 | thewanderer1 | I've added a disk to my degraded RAID6 array (had 2 disks), which has started a rebuild. however, I've added another disk now (the fourth), and it's been marked as spare "(S)". Is Linux supposed to rebuild it using all 4 disks when it finishes the current rebuild? |
| 18:17.36 | Milos | If there is an exploit like CVE-2010-3301, how does Debian get this pushed to server distributions as fast as possible? |
| 18:17.51 | Milos | Do the admins just run an apt-get command, or is it more complicated? |
| 18:18.22 | thewanderer1 | Milos, root is supposed to apt-get update and apt-get upgrade, then they receive security updates. that's all... |
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| 18:19.00 | Milos | thewanderer1, given that this is a kernel exploit, does that mean it will download a new kernel / patches for that kernel and require a reboot to apply? |
| 18:19.01 | thewanderer1 | many like to set up unattended-upgrades so that security updates are taken care of automatically |
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| 18:19.09 | dondelelcaro | Mac101: you can also sign up to debian-security-announce@lists.debian.org to be advised of security updates |
| 18:19.22 | Milos | I'm guessing that was meant for me? |
| 18:19.29 | thewanderer1 | Milos, yes. if you want reboot-less kernel upgrades, see ksplice-tools (and a corresponding commercial software vendor, KSplice) |
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| 18:20.01 | Milos | Oh thanks for that - it was really just a question out of curiosity on how kernel-related security exploits are handled. |
| 18:20.05 | meta-coder | Sawfish or Openbox? What do you like? |
| 18:20.09 | thewanderer1 | and subscribing is a great idea indeed, I've been notified of security risks for months and learnt to react |
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| 18:22.27 | yagoo | Milos, i believe they use the volatile directory .. |
| 18:22.29 | yagoo | !volatile |
| 18:22.29 | dpkg | Squeeze users, ask me about <squeeze-updates>. Debian Volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <oldstable> distribution up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. http://www.debian.org/volatile/ |
| 18:23.13 | Milos | I see. Thank you. |
| 18:23.59 | meta-coder | update-alternatives --config x-window-manager openbox /* right? trying to swtich to openbox. |
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| 18:25.07 | meta-coder | done |
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| 18:26.46 | Quimbey | nkuttler: thx, but mplayer version in dmm is quite old (2008) |
| 18:27.59 | Quimbey | do i really have to update the whole machine? that blows |
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| 18:28.38 | josh9 | is there performance/features diffence between radeon driver an fglrx? |
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| 18:33.39 | Quimbey | Will i have a chance to compile a mplayer svn checkout from today on debian lenny if i disable most of the options? i only need the new mplayer for dumping a stream actually |
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| 18:34.25 | Quimbey | the version in lenny doesnt seem to support rtmp-protocol |
| 18:35.06 | thewanderer1 | josh9, yes |
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| 18:38.38 | meta-coder | update-alternatives --config x-window-manager won't take effect even after a reboot. |
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| 18:39.47 | meta-coder | why is the x-window-manager alternative not taking effect? |
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| 18:40.28 | meta-coder | even with higest priority 90 and 'auto mode' |
| 18:40.43 | yagoo | meta-coder, maybe it's only used for fallback |
| 18:40.50 | Quimbey | ok, it worked... wohoo mplayer compiled |
| 18:41.08 | meta-coder | yagoo, so how do i make it the default? |
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| 18:42.16 | josh9 | thewanderer1: can i still use grander with fglrx when having multiple monitors or there is a different way. |
| 18:42.20 | yagoo | meta-coder, not sure what you mean.. are you asking about a particular desktop environment? If it's for light window management.. i suppose it's ~/.xssession and you place the line "x-window-manager" in it as the last line |
| 18:42.47 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 18:42.52 | dury | just one curiosity in my phpmyadmin... in the bottom appears a line saying ... http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/580/screenshotogk.png/ "The additional features for working with linked tables have been deactivated. To find out why click here." I click and it goes to this saying http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/515/screenshot1qy.png/ what does it mean... some features are missing |
| 18:43.16 | yagoo | meta-coder, but you have to indicate that to the um.. xdm/gdm/xdm logon.. perhaps there's a "something my custom" as a logon entry.. or "traditional X default start" .. i'm pseudo labelling here |
| 18:43.42 | thewanderer1 | josh9, that I don't know, I've never used fglrx long enough to learn :P |
| 18:43.49 | meta-coder | yagoo, i want to make openbox the default wm in Gnome |
| 18:44.29 | meta-coder | yagoo, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=592853 |
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| 18:46.25 | yagoo | meta-coder, the problem with setting up this.. is that there's a number of different routes depending on how X is started.. hopefully this may shed a hint http://wiki.debian.org/Openbox |
| 18:46.25 | meta-coder | yagoo, export WINDOW_MANAGER=openbox ? |
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| 18:49.06 | thewanderer1 | meta-coder, perhaps it's using a different alternative group, like x-session-manager? O.o |
| 18:49.43 | thewanderer1 | (also, I've seen DMs which actually choose themselves instead of relying on alternatives... SLIM is one such program) |
| 18:49.57 | yagoo | meta-coder, that's not a bug -- as i said there's x number of ways of doing this.. but since you said you using the gnome desktop, that bug site mentions using WINDOW_MANAGER in ~/.gnomerc |
| 18:50.37 | meta-coder | yagoo, ok, added export WINDOW_MANAGER=openbox to the ~./gnomerc |
| 18:51.39 | dury | can I have support please? |
| 18:51.48 | dury | or advice |
| 18:52.35 | ompaul | !ask |
| 18:52.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:52.41 | dury | or help... if someone is available to solve it |
| 18:52.52 | meta-coder | update-alternatives are not taking effect, that means i am not using startx, i am using a login manager |
| 18:53.20 | dury | running phpmyadmin in debian |
| 18:53.32 | dury | just one curiosity in my phpmyadmin... in the bottom appears a line saying ... http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/580/screenshotogk.png/ "The additional features for working with linked tables have been deactivated. To find out why click here." I click and it goes to this saying http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/515/screenshot1qy.png/ what does it mean... some features are missing |
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| 18:54.09 | dury | is any solution for that? |
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| 18:57.04 | ompaul | dury: please read this: http://wiki.phpmyadmin.net/pma/Requirements it talks about suhoin on that page |
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| 19:00.24 | dury | ok |
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| 19:17.30 | Josh1910 | Hi, does anyone know where I can get the drivers for my broadcom wlan card? |
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| 19:18.18 | scx | Hello |
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| 19:18.30 | scx | Is debian unofficial repo down? |
| 19:19.36 | scx | i am gettting errors/warnings: "W: Failed to fetch http://unofficial.debian-maintainers.org/dists/stable/Release.gpg Could not resolve 'unofficial.debian-maintainers.org'" |
| 19:19.44 | streuner | Josh1910: whats the chipset, tell us via "lspci -nn" |
| 19:20.40 | streuner | amset:/# ping -c1 http://unofficial.debian-maintainers.org |
| 19:20.40 | streuner | ping: unknown host http://unofficial.debian-maintainers.org |
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| 19:21.08 | scx | streuner: they change domain or what? |
| 19:21.14 | streuner | seems to me, the DNS sucks |
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| 19:21.57 | Josh1910 | umm |
| 19:22.21 | Josh1910 | streuner: broadcom corporation bcm4311 |
| 19:22.32 | streuner | dpkg, listkeys 4311 |
| 19:22.34 | dpkg | Factoid search of '4311' by key (2): 4311 ;; bcm4311. |
| 19:22.45 | streuner | dpkg, bcm4311 |
| 19:22.46 | dpkg | b43 is a driver for Broadcom 802.11b/g PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by <b43legacy>. For BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225 (802.11n) device support, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:23.13 | Josh1910 | streuner: so just search b43 in synaptic? |
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| 19:24.02 | testswap | Hello, rake version 0.8.7-2 has a bug that was fixed in 0.9.2, does squeeze carry a copy of 0.9.2? |
| 19:24.10 | streuner | Josh1910: this driver should be in squeeze/stable kernels, you only need the firmware |
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| 19:24.58 | scx | testswap: ruby/rails packages in Debian (especially stable) sux |
| 19:25.23 | streuner | Josh1910: read http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx for more details |
| 19:25.25 | ksk | you could use thing rails intaller thingy... erm |
| 19:25.39 | scx | testswap: you should try packages from testing |
| 19:25.43 | ksk | s /thing/this/ |
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| 19:26.32 | scx | testswap: i had many problems with RoR on Debian stable, for example PgSQL didn't support UTF-8 (sic!) |
| 19:26.41 | testswap | scx: Oo |
| 19:26.51 | scx | many symlinks are broken |
| 19:27.01 | testswap | scx: Well they released a patch for workaround that bug |
| 19:27.04 | scx | you really should try packages from testing |
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| 19:27.38 | testswap | I rather not hhehe.... Few people here highly recommend against it |
| 19:28.17 | scx | testswap: you can use Debian stable and a few packages from testing |
| 19:28.23 | scx | google "apt-pinning" |
| 19:30.54 | ppm | is this the official irc channel of debian? |
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| 19:31.08 | testswap | scx: ok |
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| 19:36.36 | streuner | ppm: more or less, why do you ask? |
| 19:36.59 | streuner | Guest81679: dont IRC as root |
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| 19:37.28 | ppm | to ask question in the right place! |
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| 19:37.51 | streuner | just ask here, you'll get usually support for Debian |
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| 19:37.59 | ppm | ok |
| 19:38.29 | ppm | how can i get the debina makefile that is used to build a binary package? |
| 19:39.17 | streuner | Do you want to make your own deb? |
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| 19:40.01 | ppm | yes.maybe afetr some tweaking. |
| 19:40.35 | streuner | dpkg, gentoosmite ppm |
| 19:40.35 | dpkg | spends 9 days recompiling ppm, and when it's all done, ppm runs no faster than previously |
| 19:41.48 | ppm | its not because of performance but for learning |
| 19:41.54 | streuner | sorry, but i cannot resist, i have no idea why users think, they are more clever than DD's |
| 19:42.07 | streuner | ppm, /msg dpkg mentor |
| 19:42.15 | ppm | ok |
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| 19:43.21 | dxtr | Hmm... The latest kernel in testing isn't working properly for me, It boots and then the screen goes white |
| 19:43.38 | dxtr | Any ideas what could be causing this? |
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| 19:43.43 | dxtr | The kernel in stable works |
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| 19:44.57 | thewanderer1 | dxtr, does that happen while X is starting? tried a new X.org? |
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| 19:45.10 | dxtr | thewanderer1: It does not happen while X is starting |
| 19:45.16 | dxtr | I don't even have X installed |
| 19:45.22 | Josh1910 | streuner: thanks i got it working |
| 19:45.38 | Josh1910 | How do i add my user to sudoers file? |
| 19:45.45 | petemc | visudo |
| 19:46.09 | thewanderer1 | dxtr, tried disabling KMS? |
| 19:46.19 | dxtr | thewanderer1: How do I do that? |
| 19:47.20 | thewanderer1 | dxtr, http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
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| 19:47.33 | ppm | quit |
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| 19:47.46 | acu | hey guys - is the search file working in GNOME3 Wheezy ? |
| 19:48.19 | dxtr | thewanderer1: But won't I need KMS for X? |
| 19:49.00 | thewanderer1 | dxtr, it's likely that you will, at least for the new X drivers, unless you use a proprietary driver stack like nvidia |
| 19:49.55 | dxtr | thewanderer1: So I'm screwed? :P |
| 19:50.21 | thewanderer1 | dxtr, if that's your synonym for "I've hit a kernel regression", then probably yes :P |
| 19:50.50 | dxtr | thewanderer1: More like the kernel is trolling me :( |
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| 19:51.23 | thewanderer1 | there are probably bug reports concerning the issue already... I'd try using the newest 3.2 rc from kernel.org (or Linus' git), too |
| 19:52.50 | dxtr | thewanderer1: aight |
| 19:52.59 | Josh1910 | petemc: can you plz give me an example of the line to enter. My user is joshua. |
| 19:53.07 | josh9 | I try to mount an SD-card. fdisk -l shows this line: /dev/sdb1 241 967679 483719+ 6 FAT16. 'pmount /dev/sdb1' gives me: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1. any ideas? |
| 19:53.58 | thewanderer1 | josh9, pmount might not be detecting the filesystem correctly... it's not common for media to come with FAT16 AFAIK |
| 19:54.30 | josh9 | thewanderer1: got it. is there a workaround? |
| 19:54.57 | thewanderer1 | there probably is... does it work if you mount it manually using mount, as root? |
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| 19:55.52 | josh9 | thewanderer1: never used mount. let me see |
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| 19:58.22 | josh9 | thewanderer1: yeah. but it's all owned by root |
| 19:58.36 | josh9 | that's why i use pmount |
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| 20:00.46 | petemc | josh9: copy the line for root adjusting the username part |
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| 20:07.00 | josh9 | petemc: i am not following you. what line? |
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| 20:07.55 | petemc | i meant that for Josh1910 |
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| 20:11.10 | degli | Hi all |
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| 20:23.42 | edju | Should an external usb drive be recognized at all if it's formatted hfs+? Shouldn't it at least get a device name? |
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| 20:27.38 | Gaxnys | This is weird. I was able to browse the web before, but after restarting my server/gateway, I don't get a connection to the internet. I do, however, get a connection to the server. |
| 20:27.54 | Gaxnys | Using shorewall btw. |
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| 20:31.20 | nvz | edju: yes the FS should be irrelevant to the detection of the device |
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| 20:32.11 | nvz | edju: some thumbdrives for example have software on them that make them appear as a USB hub with an attached CDrom and a HDD for example.. but in any case you should be seeing something |
| 20:32.26 | josh9 | how to mount and make the files belong to a regular user? |
| 20:34.09 | yagoo | josh9, uid=, gid= in mountoptions |
| 20:34.26 | josh9 | yagoo: thanks |
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| 20:35.32 | edju | nvz, I thought so, but this one isn't. It's a hard drive and nothing shows up - not in /dev and not in dmesg. |
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| 20:37.24 | nvz | edju: hmm.. does the hdd have a power cord or powered off USB? |
| 20:37.45 | yagoo | nvz, now you boxin!!! |
| 20:37.46 | yagoo | lol |
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| 20:38.14 | nvz | yagoo: na, but I have been putting of "feats of strength" so festivus continues.. |
| 20:38.52 | edju | nvz, Power cord. I'm using a firewire to usb adapter - maybe that's it. |
| 20:39.11 | thewanderer1 | Gaxnys, I've seen behaviour like that before with Shorewall, but never really figured out what caused it :/ |
| 20:39.18 | nvz | edju: ah.. yeah that could definately be the problem. I'm not familiar with that sort of adapter |
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| 20:39.32 | yagoo | i always tend to get into the most basic arguments on either ubuntu or linux, i get trolled call for saying "mac-filtering" is not a substitute for encryption earlier today. lol |
| 20:39.38 | yagoo | lol |
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| 20:39.44 | nvz | edju: Im actually not familiar with firewire at all or how similar it is to USB |
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| 20:39.59 | thewanderer1 | Gaxnys, if it's after a complete router reboot than Shorewall might not have started properly or some rules might be incorrect |
| 20:40.35 | yagoo | edju, make sure 1394 is loaded-> lsmod |grep -i iee or 139 |
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| 20:42.14 | yagoo | hmm |
| 20:42.36 | yagoo | it's not on my latest kernel.. but it is on earlier ones (*1394* modules) |
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| 20:43.00 | nvz | edju: Im actually not familiar with firewire at all or how similar it is to USB? |
| 20:43.06 | nvz | yagoo: would still require a firewire driver if the firewire device is plugged into USB? |
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| 20:43.17 | nvz | bah.. repeated that line by accident.. small keyboard.. heh |
| 20:43.20 | Josh1910 | what is the keyboard shortcut for terminal? |
| 20:43.28 | lstarnes | Josh1910: in which DE? |
| 20:43.33 | Josh1910 | gnome |
| 20:43.35 | nvz | Josh1910: ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 20:43.48 | lstarnes | that's the system console, not a terminal emulator |
| 20:43.50 | yagoo | nvz, i've seen hybrid enclosures, only 1 port used at a time.. i had a bad experience with one of those.. i had both firewire and usb plugged in at the same time and the dam iogear got fired |
| 20:43.55 | yagoo | fried should i say |
| 20:44.05 | nvz | lstarnes: there is no shortcut for x terminal unless you setup one |
| 20:44.22 | nvz | lstarnes: had to assume the only interpretation of that question that had a useful answer |
| 20:44.43 | yagoo | nvz, i believe it would try like ide or sata communication over the firewire link.. |
| 20:45.12 | nvz | yagoo: yeah I was trying to google it.. I dont know how it works assumed you knew more |
| 20:45.29 | grayghost | I have been using mint lmde for a year.... last night I updated the sources to deb testing. and ran the update ... so I guess I am now deb testing and not mint.... I would like to change the wallpaper and can't figure out how ... help??? |
| 20:45.29 | edju | nvz, lsmod shows firewire_ohci, firewire_core, and firewire used by scsi_mod. |
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| 20:45.43 | nvz | yagoo: but even so it should still be showing something as any usb device should have a USB chip in it that gets an address on the usb bus |
| 20:45.44 | yagoo | actually i havent used firewire at all for some years lol.. after that bad experience i said forget it.. only 1 usb port and that's it or esata |
| 20:46.08 | yagoo | nvz, firewire and usb very different.. |
| 20:46.12 | nvz | he says there is no evidence it was plugged in at all |
| 20:46.16 | yagoo | nvz, thats why i asked to see if he has 1394 loaded |
| 20:46.35 | edju | 1304 is not loaded. |
| 20:46.38 | yagoo | but thing is my latest kernel shows no 1394 modules.. |
| 20:46.38 | nvz | doesnt matter a device attached to usb bus should at the very least produce an unable to enumerate device on port message |
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| 20:46.44 | yagoo | "9".. |
| 20:46.45 | yagoo | 1394 |
| 20:47.06 | edju | 1394 is not loaded. |
| 20:47.18 | yagoo | nvz, you see any 1394 modules in /lib/modules ? (i get some for 2.6-2x, but none for 2.6.32-5) |
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| 20:47.38 | yagoo | or.. |
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| 20:48.13 | yagoo | hmm |
| 20:48.17 | Josh1910 | your dumb nvz |
| 20:48.31 | yagoo | well i do see libraw1394-8 .. |
| 20:48.36 | Josh1910 | terminal short cut?> |
| 20:48.48 | yagoo | a package.. so something about the way firewire devices have changed |
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| 20:49.06 | Josh1910 | and next time i do somthing stupid like ctrl+alt+f1 what do i type to start gnome again? |
| 20:49.09 | yagoo | Josh1910, he's boxing you |
| 20:49.15 | yagoo | Josh1910, boxing day watch out |
| 20:49.25 | lstarnes | Josh1910: to switch back, ctrl+alt+f7 |
| 20:49.26 | nkuttler | Josh1910: that doesn't stop gnome |
| 20:49.29 | lstarnes | or f whatever |
| 20:49.43 | nkuttler | Josh1910: or alt-left/right |
| 20:49.44 | nvz | yagoo: I see ../kernel/drivers/firewire/ |
| 20:49.49 | yagoo | or alt-<arrow> until you see the gui again |
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| 20:50.50 | Josh1910 | k thanks that works |
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| 20:51.09 | yagoo | notes http://www.inux1394.org and libraw1394-8 and libraw1394-11 programs meant for userspace-- believes that dbus apps are to be used |
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| 20:51.33 | yagoo | notes http://www.linux1394.org correction |
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| 20:52.05 | yagoo | now why does apt-cache show that site if it's just a bunch of f ads. |
| 20:52.31 | nkuttler | yagoo: expired domain + domain squatter? file a bug |
| 20:52.34 | nvz | yagoo: only one other than those is ieee1394map |
| 20:52.37 | nixmaniack | hi, my usb mouse on laptop stops working if it's idle, i have to click any button to get it working. How can i keep it always working? |
| 20:52.39 | nkuttler | also, welcome to the internet |
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| 20:52.52 | yagoo | ya.. i noticed that map file too.. |
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| 20:53.12 | Josh1910 | Ubuntu is ctrl+alt+t. what about debian? |
| 20:53.23 | nkuttler | Josh1910: to do what? |
| 20:53.29 | yagoo | ohok.. |
| 20:53.33 | Josh1910 | open a terminal window |
| 20:53.34 | yagoo | they renamed them.. |
| 20:53.45 | nkuttler | Josh1910: that depends on your DE/WM |
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| 20:53.52 | Josh1910 | i have gnome |
| 20:54.00 | nvz | yagoo: I think firewire-core and firewire-ohci are what they're called now |
| 20:54.07 | yagoo | edju, they renamed the dam thing.. for years it was 1394.. now it's firewire duh me lol.. you should probably check that out.. i just catted that map file which was plaintext |
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| 20:55.19 | yagoo | (find /lib/modules|grep -i fire) |
| 20:55.23 | yagoo | fire fire! |
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| 20:55.36 | Josh1910 | nkuttler: gnome |
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| 20:56.21 | nkuttler | Josh1910: no idea |
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| 20:57.20 | Dulak | Josh1910: there isn't a shortcut for the terminal by default in debian gnome afaik, I always just add it myself in System->Preferences->Keyboard Shortcuts |
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| 21:00.27 | Josh1910 | Dulak: k thanks i did that |
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| 21:02.06 | grayghost | I have been using mint lmde for a year.... last night I updated the sources to deb testing. and ran the update ... so I guess I am now deb testing and not mint.... I would like to change the wallpaper and can't figure out how ... help??? |
| 21:02.54 | yagoo | grayghost, ask me something nerdy |
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| 21:03.23 | grayghost | I thought that was ...kinda |
| 21:03.42 | grayghost | everything changed .... I am lost... |
| 21:05.04 | dondelelcaro | grayghost: unfortunately, just doing that doesn't mean that you're running Debian testing. |
| 21:05.13 | dondelelcaro | grayghost: you're running some mixture of mint and testing |
| 21:05.32 | grayghost | I guess you are correct |
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| 21:05.59 | grayghost | but all mint things are gone |
| 21:06.17 | dondelelcaro | except for the configuration files |
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| 21:06.45 | dondelelcaro | and any packages which didn't get updated because mint uses different versioning schemes or uses custom packages |
| 21:07.03 | grayghost | how do you change wallpaper in deb? |
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| 21:07.23 | grayghost | mint was a right chick on the screen |
| 21:07.45 | yagoo | grayghost, #linux lol.. |
| 21:07.55 | yagoo | you have so many unknowns.. |
| 21:08.02 | froggyman | grayghost: what desktop environment are you using? |
| 21:08.10 | grayghost | gnome |
| 21:08.19 | josh9 | free -m shows me 3565MB even thugh i have 4 GB (on 64bit). is it normal? |
| 21:08.28 | froggyman | you probably got "upgraded" to Gnome3 then too |
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| 21:08.35 | grayghost | yes |
| 21:09.03 | froggyman | grayghost: personally, I would recommend switching to KDE, or asking in #gnome |
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| 21:09.21 | grayghost | good suggestion |
| 21:10.56 | froggyman | grayghost: you may want to try and straighten out the issue you are having with the mint/debian testing combo first though |
| 21:11.10 | froggyman | before you worry about your background! :) |
| 21:11.12 | apanbengt | stupid knoppixquestion in the #debian-channel: I run a configure script for something but it can't find GTK+ version > 2.16.0 (uhm, eventually I'm just so stupid I don't have that specific version) and complaints it can't find the GTK+ program, I've got libgtk2.0-0 installed. Should I need something more? ("Well duh, 2.16.*"), or is it an issue with paths somewhere? |
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| 21:11.25 | yagoo | cant wait to hear the complaints once multiarch starts going full-scale and the other debian-based distros aren't |
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| 21:12.48 | grayghost | froggyman: I thought I would start with something simple ... first ... lol |
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| 21:13.11 | froggyman | grayghost: do you want to run debian, or mint? |
| 21:13.27 | grayghost | I like what I have now |
| 21:13.40 | apanbengt | any ideas? I doubt it's hard. It's just that I have no idea what to do :D |
| 21:13.43 | grayghost | so I debian |
| 21:13.47 | edju | nvz, Maybe it's the adapter - my son's coming over with his Mac. See if it works there. |
| 21:14.12 | yagoo | edju, hey you what happened ? |
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| 21:14.28 | ompaul | grayghost: updating the sources to debian from mint does not promise you a smooth transition, you can almost be 100% sure it is not safe thing to do, welcome to frankenmint |
| 21:14.37 | edju | yagoo, Huh? |
| 21:14.44 | grayghost | lol |
| 21:14.51 | froggyman | grayghost: it will probably be easiest for you to just do a fresh install of debian on there |
| 21:14.54 | yagoo | edju, we talkin earlier about loading the renamed firewire modules.. |
| 21:15.11 | yagoo | edju, they no longer called *1394* |
| 21:15.22 | ompaul | grayghost: get a debian install and get with the program ;-) don't do random stuff written on random sites, ask and you shall have a good working machine |
| 21:15.23 | josh9 | why i can't see videos on youtube with chrome 64bit? isn't chrome comes with flash built-in? |
| 21:15.32 | edju | yagoo, They are loaded. |
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| 21:15.52 | Vasistha | josh9: is that chrome or chromium? chromium wouldnt' |
| 21:16.06 | yagoo | edju, which ones? |
| 21:16.11 | josh9 | Vasistha: chrome from google's site |
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| 21:16.45 | Vasistha | josh9: well first of all chrome probably isn't supported here, but regardless of that... I have no idea. If you want to install adobe flash it can be done |
| 21:16.46 | Vasistha | !adobe |
| 21:16.47 | dpkg | Adobe Systems Incorporated is a computer software company. Now developing the flash plugin after acquiring Macromedia, ask me about <adobe flash>. See also <acrobat>. |
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| 21:16.52 | unreal-dude | it may be an issue with the 64 bit, since that would require the 64 bit flash, i know i had issues with that |
| 21:16.53 | nvz | edju: always helps to have stuff to rule out those problems ;) |
| 21:17.24 | Vasistha | oh yeah, that's right-- people have been complaining about 64-bit flash for literally years |
| 21:18.33 | edju | yagoo, firewire_sbp2, _ohci, & _ core. |
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| 21:20.52 | yagoo | edju, what's the device again, an enclosure firewire hd? (btw there's a workaround option with one of the firewire modules..) |
| 21:21.06 | josh9 | Vasistha: damn. i just upgraded to 64bit :) |
| 21:21.24 | Mkaysi | Because I need help |
| 21:21.37 | Mkaysi | Wrong tab sorry |
| 21:21.52 | yagoo | Mkaysi, it's ok I just tabbed you |
| 21:21.52 | Vasistha | !tell josh9 about flash amd64 |
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| 21:23.08 | edju | yagoo, Yes, it's an external LaCie hd, firewire, used with a usb adapter. What workaround? |
| 21:23.31 | yagoo | edju, hs.. you didn't try both ports at the same time too did ya? |
| 21:23.41 | yagoo | edju, cuse that can fry it.. |
| 21:24.09 | yagoo | edju, i did that mistake a number years ago.. |
| 21:24.18 | edju | yagoo, No. |
| 21:24.24 | yagoo | ok hehehe |
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| 21:25.39 | yagoo | edju, dmesg |grep -i reset << any output? |
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| 21:27.00 | edju | yagoo, Nothing. Wierd, I recently had problems getting my optical drive recognixed - no driver. But I at least got error msgs - here, nada. |
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| 21:27.25 | yagoo | edju, dmesg |pastebinit -t mydmesg |
| 21:27.29 | yagoo | (apt-get install pastebinit) |
| 21:27.57 | edju | acp pastebinit |
| 21:28.05 | edju | Akh!! |
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| 21:28.28 | yagoo | uh.. this is a macbook? |
| 21:29.25 | edju | Is what a macbook? |
| 21:29.45 | edju | my machine - no - it's an hp. |
| 21:30.02 | yagoo | edju, you mentioned trying it on apple hardware later.. wondering if this one is a mac (btw mac's get firmware updates via OSX.. and ive seen firmware updates related to firewire functionality) |
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| 21:30.54 | yagoo | edju, so hmm.. you boxed out debian from your box! |
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| 21:31.43 | yagoo | he's happly .. apple hp guy |
| 21:32.11 | edju | No, my son's bringing his mac. |
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| 21:32.57 | yagoo | edju, don't worry.. dmesg does not show your passwd id information.. why there a problem with that pastebinit? |
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| 21:36.25 | _ramo1 | where can i configure the runlevel of some services? i want some services to don't be started on start up |
| 21:36.30 | josh9 | when i try to install adobe flash (http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/completion/?installer=Flash_Player_11_for_Ubuntu_(apt)) it opens i dialog and try to use xdg-open to install the deb file. i guess it's for ubuntu. how do i get the deb file itself? |
| 21:36.57 | nkuttler | _ramo1: i like rcconf. see also man update-rc.d |
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| 21:39.09 | yagoo | hates when people come on here and don't try all the suggestions/solutions people have only to say they'll try it on "apple" |
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| 21:39.24 | yagoo | pff |
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| 21:40.58 | zagabar | I installed debian on my old laptop and switched to the testing repositories. Since I have an old nvidia card, I need legacy drivers. the 173.14.xx drivers supports my card. So I installed them after downloading them from nvidias site. |
| 21:41.11 | somiaj | josh9: install flashplugin-nonfree from the contrib repos on debian |
| 21:41.30 | zagabar | With that my X-server fails to load since it doesn't support that old drivers apparently. So how can I downgrade it? |
| 21:42.04 | zagabar | The output in my xorg log is: http://paste.debian.net/150232 |
| 21:42.27 | CrazyGir | is there a way to find out / determine the list of packages installed for the "laptop", "desktop" or other "roles" listed during the standard debian gui net install? |
| 21:42.29 | nickermire | I just downloaded flash from the adobe website extracted the bz2 file and stuck in in the Mozilla plugin folder |
| 21:42.37 | zagabar | Found some solutions on how to downgrade with pacman and emerge but this is not gentoo nor arch :( |
| 21:42.51 | nickermire | Think it was a .so file |
| 21:43.15 | yagoo | zagabar, This server has a video driver ABI version of 11.0 that is not supported by this NVIDIA driver. Please check |
| 21:43.15 | yagoo | http://www.nvidia.com/ for driver updates or downgrade to an X |
| 21:43.18 | somiaj | CrazyGir: the debian wiki lists them, look up 'debian wiki tasksel' in google |
| 21:43.29 | nkuttler | CrazyGir: apt-cache show task-<tab> |
| 21:43.38 | yagoo | zagabar, ^ .. sounds like you need to compile that driver with the same gcc version |
| 21:43.39 | CrazyGir | fantastic, thank you both! |
| 21:43.40 | nkuttler | CrazyGir: assuming you have the bash completion installed.. |
| 21:43.52 | thewanderer1 | zagabar, you went wrong with the nvidia.com... the drivers are available in the Debian repository and should work with the X.org that is in Debian |
| 21:43.56 | CrazyGir | ;) |
| 21:43.57 | yagoo | zagabar, did you use "export CC=/path-to-proper-gcc?" ? |
| 21:44.14 | thewanderer1 | do *not* use nvidia.com's drivers unless you want to end up with an ungodly mess |
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| 21:44.48 | yagoo | zagabar, uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.. paccccccccccmmmmmmmmmmmaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnn ???????????? |
| 21:44.52 | yagoo | that's so un-debian |
| 21:44.54 | zagabar | yagoo: I see. Usually I do the export thingy when the driver installer complains that gcc is of wrong version. I thought that if i dind't say anything, I wouldn't need to. |
| 21:45.10 | josh9 | somiaj: thanks! |
| 21:45.16 | thewanderer1 | zagabar, do - not - use - nvidia.com - drivers :P |
| 21:45.21 | zagabar | thewanderer1: Nope, didn't try the ones from the repository. I could try that :) |
| 21:45.30 | zagabar | yagoo: Haha I know |
| 21:46.14 | somiaj | josh9: that is a collection of scripts that will download the latest flash onto your system. just realize you have to manually rerun the scripts (apt won't automtically find new versions for you) |
| 21:46.23 | zagabar | thewanderer1: Okay. It worked well before but I guess I was lucky. |
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| 21:48.21 | zagabar | thewanderer1: Sorry, I am in the non-graphical mode so it is a bit difficult to view the documentation properly. Should I insall the nvidia-glx package? Or is that for non legacy drivers? |
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| 21:49.51 | thewanderer1 | zagabar, hmm... does nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx include support for your GPU? |
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| 21:50.58 | zagabar | thewanderer1: Unfortunately I am in no state of telling. :/ I only know that it is nvidia geforce FX go5200. And that the 173.14.xx driver supports it. |
| 21:52.12 | thewanderer1 | zagabar, what does `lspci` call this card? does it say GeForce FX Go5200? |
| 21:52.17 | josh9 | somiaj: yeah, i guess for chrome, firefox, skypeand flash i'll just do it manualy. |
| 21:52.27 | yagoo | maybe a second opinion would help.. but i think the download link from adobe's site refers to something with apt:<> which tells apt then to look at http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/ .. i dunno how stubborn the bleeding release are for debian |
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| 21:52.59 | yagoo | whomever was asking about the ubuntu download link from adobe.. this is what it does.. |
| 21:53.04 | nickermire | Josh |
| 21:53.09 | zagabar | thewanderer1: GeForce FX Go5200 64m |
| 21:53.28 | thewanderer1 | zagabar, does it also mention a chipset name, like [NV25] ? |
| 21:53.38 | nickermire | If you get the real adobe flash driver it works much smoother |
| 21:53.52 | nickermire | Instead of gnash |
| 21:54.10 | yagoo | however, i noted there's this-> http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_11.1.102.55.orig.tar.gz < tarball |
| 21:54.31 | nickermire | I just went to the adobe site |
| 21:54.38 | zagabar | thewanderer1: NV34M would be it? |
| 21:54.43 | nickermire | Got the newest one |
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| 21:55.01 | yagoo | nickermire, what version is showing up in about:plugins? 11.1.102 ? |
| 21:55.25 | nickermire | I'm on my phone right now |
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| 21:56.10 | nickermire | yagoo: I just did it yesterday though made a world of difference was using gnash before |
| 21:56.14 | yagoo | nickermire, uh.. where/which site is this? i don't think i can see that bz2 |
| 21:56.44 | Valtam | I've just bought a VPS running Debian x86, I can't connect to the net with it, it gives the following error: temporary failure resolving 'ftpdebian.org' I can't ping any sites from the vps to |
| 21:57.05 | nickermire | yagoo: www.adobe.com then click downloads and then flash player |
| 21:57.12 | Valtam | ftp.debian.org* |
| 21:57.19 | nkuttler | Valtam: can you ping IPs? |
| 21:57.26 | Valtam | nkuttler: no |
| 21:57.33 | nkuttler | Valtam: talk to your hoster i guess |
| 21:57.39 | thewanderer1 | zagabar, yeah. I'm trying to find the driver version that would fit... |
| 21:57.41 | nickermire | yagoo: Select source for either 32 or 64bit system |
| 21:57.51 | thewanderer1 | zagabar, basically, NVIDIA's documentation sucks :P |
| 21:58.00 | nkuttler | Valtam: but... can you ssh in? |
| 21:58.15 | Valtam | nkuttler: yes I am in with ssh |
| 21:58.23 | somiaj | josh9: what? why not just install the package I suggested? |
| 21:58.28 | zagabar | thewanderer1: Okay, thanks a lot for the help. |
| 21:58.29 | nkuttler | Valtam: so what happens when you ping 130.89.148.12 |
| 21:58.29 | thewanderer1 | zagabar, ah, there it is. |
| 21:58.40 | nickermire | Any luck |
| 21:58.41 | Valtam | nkuttler: sorry, I can ping google dns 8.8.8.8 |
| 21:58.43 | yagoo | nickermire, but the version.. what does it say? |
| 21:58.48 | Valtam | i can ping ip's |
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| 21:58.52 | Valtam | my bad |
| 21:58.57 | yagoo | nickermire, it's 11.x , what x? |
| 21:59.08 | nkuttler | Valtam: so check /etc/resolv.conf and put a nameserver in there. still, check your hoster's docs |
| 21:59.14 | thewanderer1 | zagabar, first, you need to remove all the crap that the nvidia.com installer might have put on your system... it should have a --remove, --uninstall or --purge option I think |
| 21:59.35 | Valtam | nkuttler: what nameserver should I put in there? |
| 21:59.43 | zagabar | thewanderer1: Yup, that I did already. nvidia-uninstall |
| 21:59.43 | nkuttler | Valtam: ask your hoster |
| 21:59.49 | Valtam | nkuttler: ok |
| 22:00.05 | nickermire | yagoo: You'd have to extract it and look I'm not close to my computer at the moment |
| 22:00.24 | Valtam | nkuttler: there are already a bunch of ip's in the resolv.conf |
| 22:00.42 | nkuttler | Valtam: what happens when you ping google.com? |
| 22:00.45 | thewanderer1 | zagabar, good. the packages you need are nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-dkms and nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx |
| 22:00.45 | nickermire | yagoo: You just looking for the newest of the new or what? |
| 22:00.58 | yagoo | nickermire, i believe they're the same.. i extracted both and they have the same filelength.. it's just that adobe gives hte generic tarball a less explicit filename |
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| 22:01.03 | Valtam | nkuttler: unknown host google.com |
| 22:01.11 | war9407 | dpkg, motion? |
| 22:01.13 | dpkg | war9407: wish i knew |
| 22:01.17 | war9407 | is motion no longer available in testing/amd64? |
| 22:01.18 | nkuttler | Valtam: immediately or with a delay? |
| 22:01.23 | Valtam | immendiately |
| 22:01.30 | thewanderer1 | ,versions motion |
| 22:01.32 | judd | Package: motion on i386 -- lenny: 3.2.9-7; squeeze: 3.2.12-2; sid: 3.2.12-3 |
| 22:01.48 | war9407 | hm crap :P |
| 22:01.49 | nkuttler | Valtam: hmmmm. i'd guess the ips there are your hosters nameservers and that they are somehow misconfigured or something |
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| 22:01.58 | thewanderer1 | war9407, packages sometimes drop out of testing while being available in sid... I don't really know why :P |
| 22:02.10 | thewanderer1 | !why is motion not in wheezy |
| 22:02.11 | dpkg | motion is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=motion |
| 22:02.15 | nkuttler | Valtam: try some open dns server i guess. you should definitely talk to the hoster |
| 22:02.24 | Valtam | nkuttler: I wonder if I just replace the url with ip's in wget |
| 22:02.34 | Valtam | nkuttler: for now |
| 22:02.37 | thewanderer1 | war9407, see the link that dpkg posted |
| 22:02.40 | nkuttler | Valtam: that's a poor fix, but could fix whatever problem you have |
| 22:02.52 | Valtam | nkuttler: I'm going to try, brb |
| 22:03.11 | nkuttler | s/you have/you're having right now/ |
| 22:03.32 | Valtam | ? |
| 22:03.54 | zagabar | thewanderer1: anything I need to change in my sources.list? I have non-free and contrib added atm. I am getting errors saying that those packages cannot be found, and searching with apt-cache only yields nvidia-kernel-dkms and packages like that without version names |
| 22:04.16 | thewanderer1 | zagabar, you run Squeeze, right? |
| 22:04.31 | zagabar | testing (I guess that'd be wheezy) |
| 22:04.36 | thewanderer1 | uh. |
| 22:05.28 | thewanderer1 | zagabar, it is not in testing... wheezy is pretty much a broken non-release at this time, you're in for much trouble |
| 22:05.36 | thewanderer1 | either enable sid repos or actually install stable |
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| 22:07.09 | zagabar | thewanderer1: Oh damn. I guess I could try sid and stuff and if all fails I'll just reinstall and stay with squeeze. Thanks again for the help |
| 22:07.53 | war9407 | thx. |
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| 22:10.06 | thewanderer1 | would be really surprised if the drivers in Sid actually worked with the X.org there :P |
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| 22:11.07 | josh9 | I get ' Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy-updates/main/source/Sources' when running apt-get update. can someone glance at my sources.list? http://paste.debian.net/150237 |
| 22:11.21 | yagoo | nickermire, i was just verifying something.. i simply had to do update-flashplugin-nonfree --install --verbose .. i have 11.1.102.55 showing in the output |
| 22:11.54 | yagoo | nickermire, that command is avail from flashplugin-nonfree package.. |
| 22:12.05 | dwfreed | josh9: there is no wheezy-updates |
| 22:12.13 | nickermire | yagoo: Ah |
| 22:12.17 | yagoo | (it downloads the tarball and extracts it from http) |
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| 22:12.36 | yagoo | and moves stuff to the right place.. |
| 22:12.37 | josh9 | dwfreed: oh. just take those 2 lines out? |
| 22:12.42 | dwfreed | josh9: yeah |
| 22:12.47 | arietis | anyone experienced with matlab? |
| 22:13.07 | dwfreed | JStoker: testing and unstable don't have an -updates repo; only stable does |
| 22:13.13 | dwfreed | josh9: ^^^ |
| 22:13.22 | nkuttler | !anyone |
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| 22:13.22 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 22:13.47 | josh9 | dwfreed: wait, wheezy/updates is fine and wheezy-updates is not? |
| 22:13.57 | yagoo | http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer << page has the instruction.. but doesnt show output unless used with --verbose |
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| 22:14.10 | dwfreed | josh9: because wheezy/updates is security updates, -updates replaced volatile |
| 22:14.15 | arietis | ok, i'm trying to get graph of signal from output of some model, how can i do that? |
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| 22:14.45 | valdyn | arietis: with any graphing program? |
| 22:14.56 | dwfreed | valdyn: with matlab |
| 22:14.57 | arietis | valdyn: with matlab |
| 22:15.15 | nkuttler | isn't matlab non-free and not in debian? |
| 22:15.17 | valdyn | arietis: so why are you asking then? |
| 22:15.22 | dwfreed | arietis: try asking ##matlab |
| 22:15.25 | valdyn | arietis: if you already know the answer? |
| 22:15.26 | nickermire | Anybody have any tips for optimizing Debian |
| 22:15.36 | valdyn | nickermire: yes: don't bother |
| 22:15.44 | nkuttler | nickermire: could you be less vague? |
| 22:16.11 | zagabar | thewanderer1: I just went with nouveau and I'll see how it goes |
| 22:16.11 | nickermire | Sorry. With gnome |
| 22:16.32 | nkuttler | nickermire: optimize what? |
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| 22:17.28 | _ramo1 | how can i add a host permanently to another host? i mean i have a host. on that host a virtual machine with another IP is running... |
| 22:17.29 | nickermire | nkuttler: Besides making a custom kernel |
| 22:17.50 | nkuttler | nickermire: your question is so vague there's no answer to it |
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| 22:18.34 | mrtn | Any ideas, what this "<username> sets mode +i <username>" means when one connects to IRC server? |
| 22:18.41 | _ramo1 | does someone has tip for my issue? |
| 22:19.13 | nkuttler | _ramo1: not sure what you mean, but /etc/hosts? man 5 hosts |
| 22:19.31 | nickermire | nkuttler: For example when my system is idle gnome monitor still reports an average of about 5% CPU usage. Is that normal |
| 22:19.34 | nkuttler | mrtn: try #freenode? |
| 22:19.47 | valdyn | nickermire: yea, its normal, gnome-system-monitor uses alot of cpu |
| 22:19.50 | _ramo1 | nkuttler: e.g. if i do something like that on console: route add -host IP-ADDRESS dev br0 |
| 22:20.01 | _ramo1 | nkuttler: this is only valid until the next restart |
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| 22:20.07 | _ramo1 | so /etc/hosts is the solution for me? |
| 22:20.08 | nkuttler | _ramo1: hmm, man 5 interfaces? |
| 22:20.13 | nickermire | nkuttler: alright thanks |
| 22:20.14 | ws2k3 | where should i find php.ini of my apache2? |
| 22:20.46 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3, /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
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| 22:23.59 | nickermire | When you compile a stable kkernel.org |
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| 22:24.50 | nickermire | If you make confif and leave all the options on does it slow your startup and use more memory when applied to the system |
| 22:25.14 | valdyn | nickermire: stick to the debian kernel |
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| 22:25.49 | valdyn | nickermire: teaching kernel config is beyond the scope of this channel. See http://kernelnewbies.org/ |
| 22:25.51 | jhutchins_lt | nickermire: You could probably tell the difference with a good benchmark, but not by casual observation. |
| 22:26.28 | nickermire | valdyn: I've already configured one just was curious |
| 22:26.31 | thewanderer1 | nickermire, device misdetection and driver conflicts is going to be a bigger problem than resource consumption, ever |
| 22:26.51 | nickermire | Thanks |
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| 22:29.10 | nickermire | valdyn: Thanks for the website! |
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| 22:35.03 | ws2k3 | isi php try's to send a mail but what fails in which logfile i should read an erro why in apache logs? |
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| 22:36.28 | MrMind | Hi. Sometimes when I boot my computer it hangs after grub has loaded and after maybe 1-2 minutes it begins to load the system files and start. I added acpi off in grub and now it boots every time but when I turned of acpi I just got other problems, can somebody help me? |
| 22:36.31 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3, yeah, apache's error.log |
| 22:38.08 | yagoo | anyone knows the iceweasal or firefox related reg<init> command to force a refresh on extensions? |
| 22:38.49 | yagoo | (i have two users. one user uses the latest version plugin, the other doesn't) |
| 22:39.54 | ws2k3 | thewanderer1 do u know anything about e-mail infrastructure? e-mail system are compleet new for me. and i'm looking for a way to build a small mail system. but from my view i have 2 options one is build my own smtp/pop3 server but then i have more to manage. and i need to do more work to prevent spam. or i can use a smtp/pop3 server of a friend of me who has a own hosting company so e-mail and |
| 22:39.55 | ws2k3 | antispam is there core business so i susprect they can do it bether then me. what do u think? the only thing i need from this machine is being able to send out mail. |
| 22:40.32 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3, if you want to preserve your sanity, leave setting up e-mail to someone who doesn't... |
| 22:40.57 | nkuttler | running mailservers is major pita as soon as the setup is non-trivial |
| 22:41.00 | yagoo | ws2k3, that's just 1 part. you also have to setup dns properly for the mx records |
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| 22:44.09 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3, I have worked a bit with e-mail (enough to know the protocol syntaxes and how it works network-wise) but I tend to avoid it as much as I can :P |
| 22:44.10 | nkuttler | ws2k3: fwiw, php just uses the system's mail command afaik, so check the logs of the mta you use |
| 22:44.31 | petemc | not if you do it right |
| 22:45.02 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3, the best e-mail tutorial I have seen to date is http://workaround.org/ ; it's a bit hard to integrate with other solutions but works really fine |
| 22:45.03 | ws2k3 | i think i just go to use the others guy servers |
| 22:45.08 | nkuttler | petemc: you're probably right, but the getting right part seems to be much more complex when mail is involved, compared to any other subsystem i've dealt with yet |
| 22:45.43 | nkuttler | especially as with email it's not only your own system you have to think about |
| 22:45.46 | ws2k3 | i know my own smtp/pop3 server is much work so i'm aint gonne start on that for thet 5 mails a month we need. |
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| 22:45.51 | petemc | use mail from pear and its simple |
| 22:46.07 | ws2k3 | so i think i'll go with his smtp server. |
| 22:46.13 | yagoo | petemc, homer simpson looks like a pear :) |
| 22:46.25 | ws2k3 | then another issue i use a firewall called CSF |
| 22:46.29 | yagoo | in any case.. he needs to have his dns setup properly.. otherwise yada yada |
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| 22:51.19 | ws2k3 | if i wanne send a test mail from debian using an external smtp server who requesred auth how should i do that ? |
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| 22:52.35 | petemc | yagoo: very droll :) |
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| 22:52.46 | Firztspawn | any wireless gurus around? |
| 22:53.19 | Firztspawn | I am having great difficulty trying to get a wusb54gcv3 working |
| 22:53.34 | Firztspawn | lsusb lists the device |
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| 22:53.46 | Firztspawn | iwconfig shows that it exists |
| 22:54.26 | bmomjian | How do I get Mutt to stop displaying messages marked for deletion from the list of my mailbox? '$' doesn't do that. It used to on elm. |
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| 22:55.00 | Firztspawn | if I run ifconfig wlan0 ip broadcast etc up, then I can ping localhost and I can ping the ip of the device |
| 22:55.15 | Firztspawn | but thats it |
| 22:55.19 | nkuttler | bmomjian: hm, $ should write the changes and update the view. #mutt i guess |
| 22:56.11 | bmomjian | that's what I though too. I will ask on #mutt. I didn't realize there was a mutt channel |
| 22:56.15 | Firztspawn | iwlist wlan0 scan gives me no scan results |
| 22:56.22 | nkuttler | bmomjian: works for me |
| 22:56.49 | Firztspawn | and wpasupplicat doesnt even know the device exists |
| 22:56.56 | Firztspawn | supplicant* |
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| 22:58.47 | bmomjian | nkuttler, oh, interesting. I am on Debian Squeeze. |
| 23:00.30 | Firztspawn | oh; and I using squeeze |
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| 23:02.19 | nkuttler | bmomjian: has worked since... woody or so for me |
| 23:02.24 | bmomjian | ah, I found the problem. I had OK, thanks. You telling me it worked help me realize I had 'set delete=no' |
| 23:02.36 | bmomjian | should have been 'set delete=yes' |
| 23:02.40 | nkuttler | nice |
| 23:02.40 | bmomjian | that fixed it! Thanks |
| 23:02.56 | ws2k3 | how can i view the last 50 rules of a file? |
| 23:03.02 | bmomjian | I am liking Debian so far, though I have filed three bug reports |
| 23:03.13 | robokop | ws2k3: tail -n 50 |
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| 23:13.34 | ws2k3 | what is the default max connections of mysql? |
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| 23:17.48 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: Dunno, should say in the config file comments. |
| 23:18.16 | jhutchins_lt | The documentation is too easy to find to commit stuff like that to memory. |
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| 23:20.36 | aguitel | how use kdesu in debian ? i want to open sources.list |
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| 23:24.17 | berserkr | aguitel: kdesu "name_of_directory_explorer" for examplo "kdesu nautilus" |
| 23:24.38 | jhutchins_lt | Doing that is not a good idea. |
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| 23:25.26 | jhutchins_lt | You can do terrible damage to a system with a graphical file browser as root. |
| 23:25.37 | berserkr | jhutchins of course not but, if he want... |
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| 23:27.14 | jhutchins_lt | It's one of those things where if you have to ask how to do it you probably shouldn't be doing it. |
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| 23:40.01 | gnude | hello, i am interested in managing a debian package. are there any information how to start? |
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| 23:41.58 | jhutchins_lt | gnude: What do you mean by "managing"? |
| 23:42.44 | aguitel | berserkr, is not working in my system |
| 23:43.07 | gnude | i want to become a maintainer from a debian package |
| 23:43.42 | nkuttler | !tell gnude about new maint |
| 23:43.42 | berserkr | aguitel: because you don't have nautilus.. |
| 23:43.46 | aguitel | i try this:kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:44.07 | gnude | thanks |
| 23:44.17 | berserkr | i don't know what is the file manager of kde.. |
| 23:44.41 | berserkr | try only "kdesudo kate" |
| 23:44.50 | aguitel | berserkr, i try to open with editor |
| 23:44.53 | gnude | i work with debian since a few years and now want to give something back |
| 23:45.10 | berserkr | anyway, is not a good idea to do that... |
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| 23:45.37 | berserkr | gnude: great idea.. :P |
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| 23:45.42 | josh9 | is there firefox 64bit |
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| 23:50.08 | aguitel | kdesudo is not working |
| 23:50.16 | sultansingh | hey :) |
| 23:50.19 | sultansingh | debian rocks |
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| 23:51.37 | sultansingh | what is this? the irc channel of the living dead? |
| 23:51.50 | thisthat | BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS |
| 23:52.21 | sultansingh | lmao |
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| 23:52.33 | sultansingh | so this is like the official debian irc channel? |
| 23:52.40 | sultansingh | or is this another help channel? |
| 23:52.42 | thisthat | zombie@behindyou: /home/zombie# apt-get brains |
| 23:52.50 | thisthat | do you need help? |
| 23:52.58 | sultansingh | a little |
| 23:53.14 | sultansingh | for one thing, my computer crashed on me and when i restarted it up |
| 23:53.19 | sultansingh | it wouldn't let me install irssi |
| 23:53.26 | sultansingh | said something about java |
| 23:53.32 | sultansingh | i did dpkg --configure -a |
| 23:53.37 | sultansingh | but nothing is working. |
| 23:53.53 | thisthat | are you using squeeze? |
| 23:54.17 | sultansingh | yeah |
| 23:54.27 | sultansingh | this is what it says when i run dpkg --configure -a |
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| 23:54.55 | sultansingh | shaun@ubuntu:~$ sudo dpkg --configure -a |
| 23:54.55 | sultansingh | [sudo] password for shaun: |
| 23:54.55 | sultansingh | Setting up sun-java6-doc (6-14-0ubuntu1.8.04) ... |
| 23:54.55 | sultansingh | This package is an installer package, it does not actually contain the |
| 23:54.55 | sultansingh | JDK documentation. You will need to go download one of the |
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| 23:55.40 | thisthat | lulz |
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| 23:58.31 | shaunwashere | hello debian users :) |
| 23:58.36 | shaunwashere | and debian developers |
| 23:58.46 | gnude | hello |
| 23:58.49 | gnude | hello shaunwashere |
| 23:58.50 | gnude | how are you |
| 23:59.00 | josh9 | shaunwashere: hi |
| 23:59.12 | josh9 | shaunwashere: what is up |
| 23:59.15 | shaunwashere | lol i'm great. so, this is the illustrious debian irc channel |
| 23:59.26 | gnude | here we are |
| 23:59.32 | shaunwashere | pretty great. never expected so many people here in one channel. |
| 23:59.34 | gnude | developer, admins, user |
| 23:59.34 | josh9 | yup. right here |
