| 00:00.02 | akelith | Indeed.. In fact, I feel like I'm having a case of dejavu. :-) |
| 00:00.09 | shaunwashere | wanna hear a joke? |
| 00:00.14 | josh9 | always |
| 00:00.17 | shaunwashere | what did the zombie say to the debian developer? |
| 00:00.26 | josh9 | what what |
| 00:00.29 | shaunwashere | su -c 'apt-get brains' |
| 00:01.13 | shaunwashere | is this thing on? *taps mic* that joke killed on #ubuntu |
| 00:02.07 | aguitel | i try to open kate with kdesudo in debian and nothing happens |
| 00:02.27 | shaunwashere | why not try sudo kate *filename* ? |
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| 00:03.21 | nsadmin | aguitel, what is it you're trying to do? |
| 00:03.55 | aguitel | nsadmin, kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 00:04.44 | nsadmin | maybe sudo isn't set up? also curious, what are you looking to install? |
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| 00:05.10 | aguitel | nsadmin, add entries in sources.list |
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| 00:48.55 | Xett | hi, I'm having some trouble getting Gnome 3.2 to actually start up. I am on Debian Experimental fully up to date and also have XFCE installed. The error I get is "Failed to load session "null" |
| 00:49.56 | Xett | any ideas? |
| 00:50.25 | WormFood | purge gnome 3 |
| 00:50.31 | Xett | yep |
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| 00:51.07 | Xett | I purged gnome-session, gnome, and all the related dependencies |
| 00:51.14 | WormFood | if you want a truly usable system, and are not a computer retard, use something other than gnome 3....gnome 3 was designed for retards....it looks nice, but severely lacks functionality.....give it a few years, and maybe it will be usable by then |
| 00:51.51 | Xett | I know, but the girlfriend loves it (better that than unity) |
| 00:52.26 | Xett | and i want to get her onto debian to make suppert easier |
| 00:52.31 | kj4 | WormFood: XFCE > gnome at this point |
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| 00:52.43 | WormFood | I fought with gnome 3 for a month...absolutely hated it....but the thing that forced me to remove it is the fact that when I connected a 2nd monitor, gnome freaked out....I have no idea what the designers were thinking...or not thinking |
| 00:52.50 | WormFood | kj4, *>gnome 3 |
| 00:52.56 | Xett | lol |
| 00:53.18 | WormFood | they did a few things right with gnome 3, and a lot of things wrong |
| 00:53.32 | Xett | yeah, it needs a few years |
| 00:53.50 | Xett | still, she's crazy for it |
| 00:53.59 | WormFood | the <alt><`> wouldn't be so bad, if not for the fact that when you need to hit <alt><shift><`> you wind up hitting the caps lock key all the time |
| 00:54.16 | nndma | WormFood: |
| 00:54.23 | nndma | oops sorry |
| 00:55.21 | WormFood | http://wormfood.net/pictures/gnome2vs3.jpg |
| 00:55.22 | Xett | it's a weird error, I think it is to do with the .xinitrc file in other distros, but Debian doesn't seem to have it |
| 00:55.42 | Xett | lol |
| 00:55.47 | Xett | nice pic |
| 00:56.28 | nndma | I used to hate gnome 3 too but actually I've gotten more or less used to it. sure the whole approch is very different from "traditional" desktops it has its good sites though. And yes there is still plenty of work to do it isn't all bad though. But that's just my opinion ;) |
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| 00:56.39 | kj4 | WormFood: gnome3 looks pretty good there |
| 00:57.34 | Xett | so i've tried to reinstall it and purge, i've also tried dpkg reconfigure, still no go |
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| 00:58.08 | WormFood | nndma, they shouldn't depreciate a perfectly usable system like gnome 2, unless the replacement is ready, and gnome 3 is far from ready....I've already said it looks nice....but god damn! they need to stop acting like apple and microslop, and telling me I can't configure my computer the way I want to....saying I'm not the common use case |
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| 00:58.42 | WormFood | gnome 3 has pissed off a LOT of people |
| 00:59.12 | Xett | it's all about target audience, gnome 3 is about getting new users who would otherwise use apple |
| 00:59.12 | nndma | WormFood: I do agree with you, it was way too early to release it. And yes gnome2 was perfectly fine. I'm just trying to say it isn't *ALL* bad. And yes I know |
| 00:59.43 | WormFood | and hiding the notifications?!? what the fuck is up with that? Oh, I see, just move my mouse....what the fuck? I don't want to touch my computer to see if I have a message, that is the whole idea of having a notification area...I don't need to touch it to see if I have an email or a message |
| 00:59.46 | Xett | would you rather help someone on gnome 3 or mac? |
| 00:59.52 | nndma | what canonical did with unity is plain terrible though |
| 00:59.57 | WormFood | I'd rather help someone on a mac |
| 01:00.01 | Xett | lol |
| 01:00.11 | WormFood | at least I know what I'm dealing with |
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| 01:00.43 | Xett | my work is changing to OSX Lion, the frikkin scroll wheel goes the wrong way |
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| 01:01.05 | Xett | like really, why would anyone change that |
| 01:01.07 | Xett | why |
| 01:01.11 | WormFood | one of my saying is "microsoft does not make products to use, they make products to sell"....where as the free software is written to be used...but I don't know about gnome 3...it does not seem to fall into either category |
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| 01:01.44 | Xett | but that is it, they are selling, just for users in stead of profits |
| 01:01.54 | ramsi | sfds |
| 01:01.55 | Xett | marketing is key |
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| 01:02.37 | WormFood | I honestly tried to use gnome 3...I used it for about a month....but when I connected my 2nd monitor, and gnome 3 gave me the most fucked up screen settings, and wouldn't work worth a shit, I couldn't take it anymore, and removed debian testing, and upgraded to stable |
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| 01:03.01 | thisthat | i use kde |
| 01:03.02 | thisthat | it works well |
| 01:03.11 | WormFood | I don't like kde |
| 01:03.30 | nndma | xfce is actually pretty usable too |
| 01:03.45 | nndma | and is more gnome2 than kde |
| 01:03.55 | thisthat | i like blackbox too |
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| 01:04.10 | WormFood | I don't want to lose all my bells and whistles that I've added to my system over the years, just because some retard developer decides they're "distracting" |
| 01:04.13 | Xett | yeah, XFCE is like a good version of Windows 2003 |
| 01:04.32 | WormFood | huh? There is a "good" version of windows? |
| 01:04.36 | Xett | lol |
| 01:05.03 | Xett | i mean windows-like in the look of it, not whether it works or not |
| 01:05.13 | WormFood | ooohhhh....I got ya now |
| 01:05.38 | Xett | yeah, i can't wait for the FOSS version of the 'Metro' UI |
| 01:05.50 | Xett | chuck some Compiz on it |
| 01:05.58 | Xett | 3D tiles |
| 01:06.03 | Xett | oh yeah |
| 01:06.06 | Xett | pimpin' |
| 01:06.54 | WormFood | I have yet to find a window manager other than sawfish that works the way I want it to....just recently I retried all the different windows managers, and still couldn't find anything that works in a sane way with point-to-focus....everything wants to raise a window when I click on it, and that is exactly what I want it NOT to do. |
| 01:07.40 | Xett | so this error, it sounds to me like there is no profile or session to use, but I can't find the profile file |
| 01:08.10 | thisthat | generally prefer functionality than aesthetics |
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| 01:08.54 | Xett | true that, and command line all the way |
| 01:09.23 | Xett | my default XFCE session starts Gedit with a terminal plugin |
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| 01:22.12 | thewanderer1f | guys, I'm facing a problem where the machine can not boot due to a "failed" RAID6 array... basically, it was running on 4 disks, then one disk failed and *impersonated* the other, messing up data, and now I need to rebuild from 3 disks which have different versions of the data |
| 01:23.52 | thewanderer1f | the boot messages say that 3 disks out of 4 are failed and mdadm refuses to assemble the array |
| 01:24.15 | thewanderer1f | can I recover from such a partial state? |
| 01:25.52 | thisthat | that is unfortunate |
| 01:26.11 | thisthat | its unlikely that you can recover from that |
| 01:26.18 | thisthat | unless you are mirroring all the disks |
| 01:26.28 | thisthat | oh but you are using raid 6 |
| 01:26.56 | thisthat | do you have any backups? |
| 01:27.06 | thisthat | raid is not a backup |
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| 01:30.21 | thewanderer1f | I know it's not, I just don't quite have the time to redo the setup |
| 01:30.27 | thewanderer1f | I do have backups somewhere |
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| 01:30.45 | hanasaki | is there a "rar" package? |
| 01:31.04 | thewanderer1f | the data should not be vastly different on the disks anyway... I'd be really glad to manage to boot this somehow |
| 01:31.21 | thewanderer1f | I don't even worry about small block corruptions at this point if I can get it to boot |
| 01:33.15 | thewanderer1f | I'm getting "/dev/sdd3 is identified as a member of /dev/md2, slot 2", a similar message for the second disk and then "no suitable drives found for /dev/md2" |
| 01:33.40 | Jatofire | Hey guys (and girls) I dont have a specific Debian question, but if anyone in here is running xchat yell out because I would like some help. |
| 01:33.41 | thewanderer1f | damn... 1 failed disk out of 4 => data loss |
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| 01:36.32 | Diranged | on a per-source basis, can i tell apt not to check for signed deb packages? |
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| 01:39.16 | Jatofire | Diranged: I'm not sure but try: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html |
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| 01:51.49 | thewanderer__ | ok, I've assembled the array out of 2 drives. what next? I'm at the (initramfs) prompt. how do I resume normal boot? |
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| 01:54.38 | thewanderer__ | oh, vgchange -ay and then just ctrl+d... |
| 01:55.10 | thewanderer__ | I have no idea if this is working right, but at least I managed to boot and can now attempt to take an up-to-date backup (when all users are asleep :P ) and reinit the RAID |
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| 02:10.20 | Valtam | nkuttler: I'm using google dns's for now in my resolv.conf |
| 02:10.31 | nvz | ah fun times.. heh |
| 02:10.31 | Valtam | will do until I hear back from vps host |
| 02:10.51 | Valtam | now I can wget files |
| 02:10.56 | nvz | its nice google has such easy to remember dns servers for those tough times |
| 02:11.02 | Valtam | for sure |
| 02:11.33 | thewanderer__ | nvz, if you read their ToS you'll learn to hate it, though :P |
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| 02:12.08 | Camthelion | join quakenet |
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| 02:12.23 | nvz | thewanderer__: actually never done that... got me curious now |
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| 02:13.17 | nvz | thewanderer__: like most people I rarely read the TOS unless business is involved |
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| 02:14.54 | Valtam | can you change the font size on the fly when working in putty? |
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| 02:20.53 | nvz | Valtam: I can change the song being played when listening to a live orchestra |
| 02:21.07 | mstrcnvs | I succesfully installed pulseaudio in my Debian Squeeze and configured folowing a how-to encountered in the forums, but in the hardware output configuration I cannot see surround 5.1 option, just surround 4.0 and digital HDMI, how can I configure an surround 5.1? I remember that in other distros I did this. |
| 02:21.10 | nvz | but thats no more on topic than putty |
| 02:22.25 | Jatofire | nvz: be nice. |
| 02:22.47 | nvz | that was nice |
| 02:23.01 | Jatofire | I guess it was. |
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| 02:25.03 | Jatofire | nvz: You could go out of your way, install putty, and solve his problem. |
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| 02:25.38 | nvz | Jatofire: oh right, just wait while I stop everything I'm doing, go out and buy a copy of windows, change my os, and install putty |
| 02:26.18 | Jatofire | There is a linux version. I dont have it installed but it exists. |
| 02:26.45 | nvz | news to me |
| 02:27.06 | Jatofire | Yeah, why you would use it, who knows. |
| 02:27.19 | nvz | also seems pointless as all it is, is a terminal emulator and ssh client |
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| 02:27.39 | nvz | you can change the font in any number of terminal emulators quite easily |
| 02:27.45 | Jatofire | Indeed, I'm sure there is asome reason it will be handy. |
| 02:27.58 | nvz | to annoy people on freenode? |
| 02:28.03 | Jatofire | hahaha |
| 02:28.09 | nvz | heh |
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| 02:28.56 | Jatofire | I have a copy on my keyring usb (for win) just incase I need to use a friends comp. |
| 02:29.15 | nvz | friends don't let friends use windows |
| 02:29.29 | Jatofire | I wish it were that simple. |
| 02:29.54 | Jatofire | To make matters worse the majority of my family are Mac people. |
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| 02:30.47 | nvz | well at least macs are POSIX |
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| 02:32.22 | Jatofire | I actually have one, just because I develop mobile applications, and missing out on the iPhone market is a bad business decision. |
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| 02:56.30 | nickermire | ? |
| 02:57.22 | nickermire | Here comes 2012 |
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| 02:57.42 | dvs | end of the world! |
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| 02:58.20 | nickermire | I really doubt it |
| 02:58.39 | thewanderer1 | who cares... we've got Wheezy to build and release :) |
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| 02:58.45 | nickermire | At least I'll get a wedding in |
| 02:58.48 | nickermire | hehe |
| 02:59.17 | Sid9 | hi all |
| 02:59.27 | nickermire | hi sid |
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| 02:59.53 | Sid9 | I would like to know, can I put alias to the ip adress of my server to connect by ssh more quickly like "ssh user@mon.alias" ? |
| 02:59.54 | zapzarap11 | hi all how can i start a software as root without the terminal? |
| 03:00.18 | Sid9 | zapzarap11: ALT+F2 maybe |
| 03:00.19 | nickermire | like a domain name? |
| 03:00.20 | somiaj | zapzarap11: what software do youw ant to start as root? Do you want this to start as a service at boot? |
| 03:01.00 | jason2007 | hello everyone, i am looking for a good game repo, anyone know of a good one? |
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| 03:01.03 | somiaj | Sid9: put your hostname in /etc/hosts |
| 03:01.03 | Sid9 | nickermire: yeah |
| 03:01.08 | nickermire | If that's what you're going for sid then a simple co.cc can be registered for free. |
| 03:01.12 | somiaj | Sid9: though this usually isn't suggested for ips that change. |
| 03:01.18 | nickermire | it's easy to remember |
| 03:01.34 | Sid9 | nickermire: not use domain :) |
| 03:01.39 | nickermire | i've got a honeybee website at beesknees.co.cc for example |
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| 03:01.58 | zapzarap11 | somiaj: no not as service at boot, just usualy from the menĂ¼ |
| 03:02.00 | Sid9 | would like to type ssh root@alias |
| 03:02.01 | somiaj | Sid9: for example you could call a computer sidscomp, have an entry in /etc/hosts on your machine and then ssh foo@sidscomp will work just fine |
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| 03:02.16 | Sid9 | somiaj: ok |
| 03:02.18 | somiaj | yea use the /etc/hosts file (windows and mac both have host files too) |
| 03:02.23 | Sid9 | somiaj: it's what i want to do, thanks ! |
| 03:02.25 | JoshuaP | How do I set modes to a file? |
| 03:02.32 | somiaj | JStoker: you mean chmod? |
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| 03:03.02 | somiaj | zapzarap11: get an application like gksu (grapical frontend to su/sudo) |
| 03:03.46 | adfjsafjasafdsf | Which color theme are you using in gnome-terminal ? |
| 03:03.52 | somiaj | zapzarap11: then you can bind that application in a menu and it will popup a enter in password window before runing it |
| 03:04.17 | adfjsafjasafdsf | Which color theme are you using in gnome-terminal ? |
| 03:04.33 | somiaj | zapzarap11: if you don't want to enter in a password, set up sudoers (visudo) correct to give prermisions to run that program with out a password, though be careful with that. (: |
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| 03:06.30 | zapzarap11 | sorry but i dont understand ... can you explain in other words |
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| 03:07.30 | zapzarap11 | for example i have the tool "xxx" just installed from the software center, and now its in the menĂ¼, and now i want to start it as root butalso directly from the menue without the terminal, it is possible and what i have to do? |
| 03:07.41 | somiaj | zapzarap11: sudo is a prgram that allows users to run programs with root permissions. |
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| 03:08.02 | somiaj | zapzarap11: you have to use a sudo/gksu front end, and you have to edit the menu entry to run the program with what ever front end you choose. |
| 03:08.44 | azuwis_ | Sid9: edit you ~/.ssh/config like this http://paste.debian.net/150255/ |
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| 03:10.02 | nickermire | besides weechat what is the other irc command line prog |
| 03:10.15 | zapzarap11 | somiaj: ok now i understand, thank you, i thought that sudo only runs as terminal command, i never heard the gksu before, but now i know it |
| 03:10.16 | somiaj | nickermire: I use irssi |
| 03:10.18 | zapzarap11 | thx! |
| 03:10.36 | somiaj | zapzarap11: sudo is a command (it does require a terminal if you have it require a password auth) |
| 03:11.00 | somiaj | zapzarap11: but y ou could configure sudo to use NO PASS on the one command you want to run and then put that into your menu |
| 03:11.02 | nickermire | thanks that was the one I was trying to remember somiaj |
| 03:11.13 | adfjsafjasafdsf | somiaj: I am configuring irssi, but find it not easy |
| 03:11.16 | somiaj | zapzarap11: if you want a popup to ask a password, use gksu (or kdesudo something liek that) |
| 03:11.34 | somiaj | adfjsafjasafdsf: I like the defaults just fine, but I'm not a pikcy irc user. The defaults work great on a remote server in screen for me |
| 03:12.17 | josh9 | i want to enjoy some aliases when i am a superuser. is the best thing to do is copy some aliases from /home/josh/.bashrc ? |
| 03:12.30 | josh9 | to /root/.bashrc |
| 03:12.39 | adfjsafjasafdsf | somiaj: your terminal has a dark background ? |
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| 03:12.51 | somiaj | josh9: why are you loging in as root and not using sudo? |
| 03:13.06 | adfjsafjasafdsf | josh9: better to use sudo |
| 03:13.08 | somiaj | josh9: also how are you loging in as root, /root/.bashrc may not be read depending on how you log in, though I suggest just using sudo |
| 03:13.21 | somiaj | adfjsafjasafdsf: yes I use xterms with a black background, grey foreground |
| 03:13.29 | JoshuaP | How do I set modes to a file? |
| 03:14.03 | somiaj | JoshuaP: What do you mean? What is the mode of a file? |
| 03:14.04 | josh9 | somiaj: i am doing su |
| 03:14.19 | somiaj | josh9: if you just type in 'su' you don't actually log in as root and don't read the .bashrc file |
| 03:14.25 | josh9 | somiaj: not logging in (after boot) as super user, if that what u meant. |
| 03:14.28 | somiaj | josh9: if you do 'su -' then you will. But learn to use sudo. |
| 03:14.50 | JoshuaP | somiaj, sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0755, should be 0440 |
| 03:15.34 | somiaj | JoshuaP: then I already ansered you. chmod |
| 03:15.47 | josh9 | somiaj: wait. i should not use su? should i use sudo before any command instead? |
| 03:15.52 | josh9 | it's a bit annyoing. |
| 03:15.53 | adfjsafjasafdsf | somiaj: but I am using a light background, sometimes not suitable with irssi's default color scheme |
| 03:15.55 | somiaj | JoshuaP: did you edit /etc/suders with out using 'visudo'? anyways, chmod 440 /etc/sudoers |
| 03:16.22 | somiaj | josh9: for the most part you only need to run a single command as root and the other things can be done as your normal user |
| 03:16.38 | somiaj | josh9: this is just a preference, but you shouldn't spend a lot of time loged in as root is the main key. |
| 03:16.52 | adfjsafjasafdsf | somiaj: directly editing of /etc/sudoers is not recommended, use visudo |
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| 03:17.13 | somiaj | adfjsafjasafdsf: http://www.irssi.org/themes |
| 03:17.54 | somiaj | adfjsafjasafdsf: I know that, I'm wondering why JoshuaP suders file had the wrong permissions in the first place. Yes visudo is they way to go which is what I tried to tell him. |
| 03:18.20 | josh9 | somiaj:right now i have an open terminal that i typed su. and whenever i need to run someting i go to that terminal and use it. is it not good practice? |
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| 03:18.58 | somiaj | josh9: I would say no. I use sudo and then dont' have to have an openterminal to switch to to run root programs |
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| 03:19.50 | somiaj | josh9: the fact that you are wanting aliases and things just says you are probabaly using a root terminal more than you need to. But its your call what you do, most would suggest learning to use sudo |
| 03:20.05 | dvs | learn sudo! |
| 03:20.06 | jtreminio | Hello all, I'm trying to find some documentation on how to add multiple ssh keys to a single PC and a single remote host; ie I want this current machine to connect to my VPS that has multiple accounts set up. |
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| 03:21.13 | josh9 | somiaj: even if it's just for one command, i have so many useful aliases and colors i want to enjoy. |
| 03:21.37 | josh9 | dvs: i know how to use sudo. i just type sudo beore the command |
| 03:21.49 | cantido | jtreminio: you can add as many keys as you like to your authorized_keys file |
| 03:22.01 | josh9 | somiaj: even my vim settings are nicer as regular user. |
| 03:22.02 | somiaj | josh9: what? If you run the one command with sudo, since you are using it as your user all the alisas, colors and what so ever are applied |
| 03:22.50 | josh9 | somiaj: no. my vim settings are not applied. |
| 03:23.27 | somiaj | josh9: I just think you use root to much if you need these settings. Anyways, /root is the home dir for root user, do what you want just be warned it is common to learn to use sudo |
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| 03:26.59 | JoshuaP | How do I get nano? |
| 03:27.10 | cantido | aptitude install nano |
| 03:27.18 | cantido | yes, it is that hard |
| 03:27.19 | dvs | JoshuaP: you probably already have it |
| 03:27.28 | adfjsafjasafdsf | somiaj: I tried XTerm scheme with grey on black colors, seems fine :) |
| 03:27.41 | cantido | thinks nano is in the sensible utils package.. |
| 03:27.45 | JoshuaP | it says command not found |
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| 03:28.20 | adfjsafjasafdsf | cantido: how do you add the star * to your message ? |
| 03:28.22 | cantido | JoshuaP: did you select the standard system task when you installed? |
| 03:28.29 | cantido | adfjsafjasafdsf: /me |
| 03:28.41 | somiaj | adfjsafjasafdsf: also know as an emote, (: |
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| 03:29.16 | somiaj | speaking of nano -- http://xkcd.com/378/ |
| 03:29.18 | cantido | thinks IRC is super cool |
| 03:29.32 | adfjsafjasafdsf | am not used to nano |
| 03:29.43 | adfjsafjasafdsf | ok |
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| 03:30.03 | adfjsafjasafdsf | so it is |
| 03:30.11 | cantido | uses eclipse for everything these days |
| 03:30.38 | adfjsafjasafdsf | I have not used eclipse for a long time |
| 03:30.56 | cantido | the version is debian is probably still the same version you used back then :( |
| 03:30.59 | adfjsafjasafdsf | cantido: you write java ? |
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| 03:31.08 | cantido | adfjsafjasafdsf: java and c |
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| 03:31.26 | JohnMullins | squeeze :D |
| 03:31.37 | dvs | what about it? |
| 03:31.39 | adfjsafjasafdsf | cantido: ok, I don't know anybody around write c with eclipse |
| 03:31.42 | JohnMullins | who came up with that name? |
| 03:31.52 | cantido | adfjsafjasafdsf: eclipse + CDT is pretty good :) |
| 03:32.00 | dvs | Johannes`: pixar |
| 03:32.15 | cantido | JohnMullins: the codenames are based on Toy Story characters |
| 03:32.52 | adfjsafjasafdsf | cantido: tmux + vim + firefox + irssi = OneDay |
| 03:32.54 | JohnMullins | cantido, thanks! |
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| 03:33.14 | JohnMullins | cantido, what happens when you run off? |
| 03:33.24 | JohnMullins | cantido, * run out |
| 03:33.32 | cantido | adfjsafjasafdsf: does vim have source level integration with gdb etc? |
| 03:33.42 | cantido | JohnMullins: dunno, there are plently left though |
| 03:33.44 | JohnMullins | Toy Story has only 13 characters |
| 03:33.54 | adfjsafjasafdsf | cantido: not yet for me |
| 03:33.58 | JohnMullins | (at least that's what I see at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-ftparchives) |
| 03:34.23 | somiaj | JohnMullins: they add more with each new toy story movie, so hopfully it won't be a big issue. (: |
| 03:34.42 | JohnMullins | somiaj, :D great |
| 03:34.49 | adfjsafjasafdsf | cantido: debugging is annoying |
| 03:35.03 | cantido | adfjsafjasafdsf: thats the most important thing for me really.. most editors can do syntax highlighting.. but with CDT I can flash code to my ARM target and do source level debugging without leaving eclipse |
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| 03:35.23 | cantido | adfjsafjasafdsf: I do m68k debugging in eclipse too :) it works with any target GDB understands |
| 03:35.48 | adfjsafjasafdsf | cantido: nice for you |
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| 03:35.57 | dvs | cantido: m68k? There are still some Mac SE out there? |
| 03:36.11 | cantido | dvs: I'm building an m68k machine |
| 03:36.20 | cantido | dvs: there are tons of m68k machines out there though |
| 03:36.31 | dvs | cantido: active? |
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| 03:36.44 | cantido | dvs: what do you consider a machine? |
| 03:36.48 | adfjsafjasafdsf | cantido: there are scripts binding gbd with vim, but I have not used |
| 03:37.02 | dvs | cantido: usually a personal computer. |
| 03:37.05 | cantido | adfjsafjasafdsf: I'm sure it can be done |
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| 03:37.29 | cantido | dvs: well, there are no new m68k desktops |
| 03:37.54 | dvs | cantido: I'm surprised the processors are still being sold. |
| 03:37.56 | cantido | there is an active effort to get debian-m68k running again apparently |
| 03:38.46 | cantido | dvs: I think all of the 680x0 cpus are out of production, I think the microcontroller stuff is still active, there is ColdFire too |
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| 03:39.58 | CaucusMan | Mitt Romney has experience fixing problems! When Mitt was elected Governor of Massachusetts in 2002, the state was in severe disarray, its budget was out of balance, spending was soaring, and taxpayers were being required to pay more and more in taxes for diminishing services. The state economy was in a tailspin, with businesses cutting back on investment or even closing and unemployment ticking up. Mitt made hard decisions that brought state spe |
| 03:39.58 | CaucusMan | nding under control. He restructured and consolidated government programs, paring back where necessary and finding efficiencies throughout. Vote Mitt Romney 2012! http://www.mittromney.com |
| 03:40.17 | cafuego | Just what the world needs. |
| 03:40.20 | cafuego | A fuckwit spammer. |
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| 03:40.38 | cafuego | !ops |
| 03:40.38 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 03:40.39 | cantido | election spam |
| 03:40.43 | cantido | thats new |
| 03:40.46 | cafuego | Someone else's election |
| 03:40.51 | dvs | moves out of Iowa |
| 03:41.00 | cafuego | !ops CaucusMan is a spammer |
| 03:41.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: cafuego complains about: CaucusMan is a spammer |
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| 03:41.20 | cantido | like that domain though.. meth.lab .. haha |
| 03:41.21 | cafuego | Well done |
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| 03:43.52 | Diranged | hey quick question.. im trying to compile a kernel module with module-assistant.. it works great on a 32bit machine, but on a 64bit machine it looks for asm/asm-offset.h (kernel headers) for a 32bit box..any idea what i might be doing wrong? |
| 03:44.14 | JoshuaP | How do I give write permissions to a user? |
| 03:44.21 | JoshuaP | for a file |
| 03:44.43 | somiaj | JoshuaP: you mean chown? |
| 03:45.00 | nvz | JoshuaP: man chmod or right click and goto properties and permissions tab in your graphical file browser |
| 03:45.15 | dvs | JoshuaP: Usually, you add the user to the same group as the file. |
| 03:45.36 | cafuego | and make sure the group can write |
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| 03:49.35 | edgardoweb | hi |
| 03:49.37 | edgardoweb | hola |
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| 03:54.28 | njbair | looking at the docs, it seems that if I want to move my new stable installation to unstable, all I have to do is edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change "squeeze" to "sid", then update/upgrade? |
| 03:55.00 | nvz | njbair: why would you go and do a thing like that? |
| 03:55.10 | dvs | !iyhtays njbair |
| 03:55.11 | dpkg | njbair: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
| 03:56.03 | innociv | What ftp would someone recommend? I'm needing to make something where new users and their home dir are created via a web interface for the ftp. |
| 03:56.16 | nvz | !tell njbair about squeeze->sid |
| 03:56.18 | njbair | this is a testing VM. I'm well aware of the pitfalls associated with unstable software. I'm just not familiar with the particulars of the Debian repos |
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| 03:57.19 | nvz | njbair: that message from dpkg should clear things up.. if its a vm for testing you should just get a snapshot of d-i and resintall sid cleanly for the least pain |
| 03:57.41 | nvz | njbair: and there is a lot more than particulars of debian repos you need to know to run sid |
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| 03:58.53 | njbair | the docs made it seem like testing was a bad option |
| 03:59.22 | nvz | njbair: I'd be happy to help out with your curiousity if you can do us the favor of making a point to mention you are using a VM with any further support of sid and be patient and willing to read a lot of documentation. |
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| 04:00.09 | nvz | because we all know here that sid is broken, and we don't particularly care to waste time troubleshooting crap you should know how to do if you are going to use it. Try make us only have to teach you the "particulars" once |
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| 04:01.14 | nvz | njbair: yes, but direct upgrade to sid can cause severe breakage your best bet as I've said already is to get a recent snapshot of the D-I which serves two purposes, 1) you help test the latest Debian Installer, and 2) saves you a LOT of time and headaches trying to upgrade to sid |
| 04:01.58 | nvz | njbair: you serve to do nothing but cause yourself problems nobody cares to help you with trying to upgrade your little curiousity virtual machine directly to sid from squeeze |
| 04:02.47 | njbair | nvz, the packages in stable are too old. I want an apt based distro for development. should I look at the testing branch instead? |
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| 04:05.18 | nvz | njbair: well for development purposes you could just use a chroot or a more recent apt-based distro like ubuntu which I installed on my netbook recently for the same reason because I was running out of space and had too many chroot environments |
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| 04:05.45 | nvz | njbair: debootstrap can easily setup a sid chroot for you |
| 04:06.13 | nvz | njbair: allowing you stability of squeeze while still having a newer build environment |
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| 04:06.52 | njbair | how much modification do the ubuntu maintainers actually do to the debian repos? |
| 04:07.13 | pksadiq | why does debian testing has gnome-shell version 3.0.2 while that latest is (I think) 3.2.x used in ubuntu testing?, ( I saw this version number in the dvd-dpkg-list) |
| 04:07.54 | nvz | njbair: for what its worth I've been using debian 12 years and regretted switching to ubuntu but it was just the easiest thing to do in my situation wanting to spend no money on hardware at this point in time and having way too many chroots for various .NET projects and other crap |
| 04:08.19 | nvz | in hind sight woulda been better for me to spend a few bucks on a bigger HDD.. heh |
| 04:08.51 | njbair | I guess I can do ubuntu. hate the UI but this will be CLI only |
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| 04:09.49 | nvz | njbair: yes the UI makes me want to puke. If it were me, I'd just setup a chroot if you have space to spare to prep a build environment for what you are doing |
| 04:11.54 | nvz | I had two mono (.NET) chroots, a lenny chroot for some old software, and a couple others for Hedgewars which I'd recently started toying with.. just got to be too much for my 160gb HDD with all the other crap I tend to keep on my system (currently have about 60gb of television I rotate out after watching it) |
| 04:12.37 | cantido | so you switched to ubuntu instead of spending < $50 on a new drive? |
| 04:13.09 | cantido | do you use a hand crank generator to power the machine? |
| 04:14.13 | nvz | na I just havent payed a cent for technology in about as long as I've been using debian |
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| 04:14.30 | njbair | heh I just upgraded my PC |
| 04:14.34 | njbair | 12GB RAM now |
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| 04:14.48 | dvs | o_O |
| 04:15.01 | nvz | this is currently the only machine I have cause I have setup all my others at friend/family's houses and its just a netbook thats about 3yrs old and I got as partial payment for a server job |
| 04:15.09 | cantido | nvz: you could probably find a 500GB drive somewhere.. from a friend or something |
| 04:15.36 | njbair | developing on a netbook...I would rather write code with a pen and paper |
| 04:15.38 | cantido | nvz: do you not have your own place to put them? |
| 04:16.11 | nvz | I do plan to budget new hardware when I get some steady income, but gonna go with a whole new machine, thinking a custom laptop from avadirect.com not gonna spend any more money getting comfortable with stuff like hdds and whatnot.. that would give me another excuse to keep using what I got |
| 04:16.48 | nvz | cantido: yeah, I had been moving a lot when I could still do physical work.. and now that I can't things are changing. :-P |
| 04:17.13 | nvz | left most of the hardware I'd acquired along the way.. people needed it more than I did.. I can get by with anything |
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| 04:18.37 | dvs | tends to accumulate hard drives |
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| 04:19.31 | nvz | I tend to accumulate all kinds of crap.. currently have 4 ipods, a digicam..etc.. I just give the crap away if someone has a greater need for it.. too much to lug around or store and goes to waste if I dont use it |
| 04:19.58 | nvz | only reason I'm hangin onto the ipods is cause all cept the one I use now frequently are broken and I plan to fix them rather than throw em away |
| 04:20.13 | Diranged | anyone familiar with module-assistant? its trying to build a module for me but its looking for the 32bit asm/asm-offset.h file instead of the amd64 version… any ideas what i might be dong wrong? |
| 04:21.29 | nvz | Diranged: only assistance I could be with this issue is if you wanna backpedal and talk about what you're building and why and perhaps can find an alternative solution. I only mention this alternate route cause you asked twice now with no response |
| 04:21.58 | Diranged | eh sorry i really need to understand what the issue is here.. :/ |
| 04:22.13 | Diranged | im building ipset.. but i need to be able to do this repeatedly |
| 04:22.37 | nvz | well I dont qualify as knowledgable on this matter but I can try |
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| 04:23.43 | nvz | Diranged: what says dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH and uname -m ? |
| 04:23.48 | Diranged | if you have an amd64 system,,.. try: apt-get install ipset ipset-source; m-a -v -t a-i ipset |
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| 04:24.12 | Diranged | amd64 and x86_64 respectively |
| 04:24.18 | nvz | I dont currently have access to the 64bit system in use on Win8 and the linux on it is 32bit so... |
| 04:24.24 | nvz | erm Win7 rather |
| 04:25.17 | nvz | ok so the build env is totally 64bit.. |
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| 04:26.12 | nvz | Diranged: do you have the amd64 kernel headers installed? |
| 04:26.21 | Diranged | yep |
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| 04:27.17 | nvz | Diranged: to be sure I'm looking in the right place that is x86_64 respectively |
| 04:27.18 | nvz | 23:24 < nvz> I dont currently have access to the 64bit system in use on Win8 and the linux on it is 32bit so... |
| 04:27.20 | nvz | 23:24 < nvz> erm Win7 rather |
| 04:27.23 | nvz | 23:25 < nvz> ok so the build env is totally 64bit.. |
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| 04:27.36 | nvz | 23:26 < nvz> Diranged: do you have the amd64 kernel headers installed? |
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| 04:27.39 | nvz | 23:26 < Diranged> yep |
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| 04:27.51 | nvz | [#debian] Diranged: to be sure I'm looking in the right place that is |
| 04:27.54 | nvz | oops |
| 04:27.56 | nvz | why did it just let me do that? |
| 04:27.59 | nvz | I should've been kicked |
| 04:28.08 | Diranged | here's a pastie: http://pastie.org/3077840 |
| 04:28.15 | Diranged | you can see the build failure, and where the file really is |
| 04:28.20 | nvz | Diranged: to be sure I'm looking in the right place that is linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64? |
| 04:28.38 | Diranged | hrmmm |
| 04:28.44 | Diranged | something just ocured to me as i look at that |
| 04:28.49 | Diranged | it looks like i have 32bit headers.. ? |
| 04:29.44 | Diranged | nope, its the 64bit package |
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| 04:30.33 | nvz | Diranged: what led you to believe that was a problem in the first place? |
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| 04:31.55 | Diranged | # /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-317-ec2/arch/x86/include/asm/unistd_64.h:693:29: error: asm/asm-offsets.h: No such file or directory |
| 04:31.58 | Diranged | seems like an issue right there |
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| 04:32.31 | nvz | right I follow that but not where you assumed the problem lied with asm/asm-offsets.h |
| 04:32.35 | Diranged | and the build works perfect on 32bit 10.04 ubuntu |
| 04:32.43 | Diranged | ok.. so i may be wrong… you know whats wrong? |
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| 04:33.12 | nvz | I know there is no "64bit version" of asm-offsets.h as you seem to be inclined to think |
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| 04:33.26 | nvz | I also know this error you posted points to a log file which probably has more information |
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| 04:34.13 | nvz | the amd64 architecture is built upon the x86 architecture and at that level they are identical |
| 04:34.32 | hikenboot1 | if anyone is interested on getting debian squeeze running with ZFS on a PVE kernel here is how to do it step by step |
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| 04:34.35 | hikenboot1 | http://wanfuse.blogspot.com/2011/12/installing-zfs-not-to-be-confused-with.html |
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| 04:35.01 | hikenboot1 | not to be confused with zfs-fuse |
| 04:35.05 | nvz | hikenboot1: you familiar with the blootbot? |
| 04:35.14 | hikenboot1 | ah no |
| 04:35.24 | nvz | alright well you're about to learn something then.. heh |
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| 04:35.34 | Diranged | that log file has exactly the same contents... |
| 04:35.52 | anima | hikenboot1, does ZFS have multinode support ? |
| 04:35.53 | hikenboot1 | what? |
| 04:36.04 | hikenboot1 | using iscsi it does |
| 04:36.34 | nvz | dpkg, ZFS on PVE kernel is <reply> a step by step guide to running squeeze with ZFS on a PVE kernel is at: http://wanfuse.blogspot.com/2011/12/installing-zfs-not-to-be-confused-with.html |
| 04:36.35 | dpkg | okay, nvz |
| 04:36.35 | hikenboot1 | I am following up with another article on using ZFS KVM iscsi pve-kernel and proxmox |
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| 04:36.43 | nvz | !zfs on a pve kernel |
| 04:36.51 | nvz | !zfs on pve kernel |
| 04:36.51 | dpkg | a step by step guide to running squeeze with ZFS on a PVE kernel is at: http://wanfuse.blogspot.com/2011/12/installing-zfs-not-to-be-confused-with.html |
| 04:37.04 | nvz | hikenboot1: in the future you can /msg dpkg and teach it those sorts of things |
| 04:37.18 | hikenboot1 | i am sorry if i didnt follow a rule |
| 04:37.32 | hikenboot1 | I didnt know about it..please dont kick me! |
| 04:37.45 | nvz | hikenboot1: not a rule its just not relevant to most people and if you want to let others know best way is to teach the bot for future reference |
| 04:37.55 | yofun | Hello do you guys recommend any software like cpanel? (Free?) |
| 04:37.56 | JoshuaP | How do I change who can use sudo? |
| 04:38.02 | nvz | JoshuaP: visudo |
| 04:38.07 | yofun | Not as great but ya |
| 04:38.25 | nvz | yofun: in debian there is usermin and webmin I believe other than that, idk |
| 04:38.33 | JoshuaP | nvz, let's say I want to make 'lefty' a sudoer. What's the $visudo for that? |
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| 04:39.05 | anima | err why not just vi /etc/sudoers and add it ? |
| 04:39.07 | nvz | JoshuaP: visudo is a command that opens the sudoers config file for editing, and performs the checking of the file when you save it |
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| 04:39.22 | JoshuaP | nvz, how do I save it? |
| 04:39.27 | nvz | anima: because visudo is how you do it, it checks the file to make sure its valid before breaking the system |
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| 04:40.30 | anima | nvz, :p i guess im just used to the only linux distros that didnt babysit |
| 04:40.51 | nvz | JoshuaP: well... depends.. if it used nano as your editor which I think it does,, you do ctrl+x to exit the editor then say Y for yes to save |
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| 04:41.26 | JoshuaP | nvz, for visudo |
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| 04:42.02 | nvz | anima: idk I've been using linux roughly 12 years most of which was debian, but I've also used redhat, corel, slackware, suse, mandrake, and I'm linux+ certified ('04 and '09) and thats always the way I've known to do it |
| 04:43.24 | nvz | JoshuaP: right.. I'm not certain which editor program visudo uses on your system.. probably nano |
| 04:43.43 | nvz | JoshuaP: and I just told you how.. if that doesn't work then its not nano and the process is entirely different |
| 04:43.50 | yofun | So nuz I can install both webadmin and useradmin? |
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| 04:44.33 | nvz | yofun: yes you can, but webmin is to do administrative tasks like adding users and passwords and such, where usermin is only for user-level web based tasks |
| 04:44.53 | nvz | yofun: they both require apache and run in seperate places and can be run side by side |
| 04:45.22 | dvs | !webadmin |
| 04:45.25 | yofun | Cool :) |
| 04:45.32 | yofun | !webadmin |
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| 04:45.40 | nvz | !webmin |
| 04:45.41 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 04:46.01 | nvz | !free whcp |
| 04:46.02 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 04:46.24 | nvz | yofun: ^^ |
| 04:46.33 | anima | nvz, honestly ive never bothered with visudo the whole idea just seems redundant to me |
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| 04:47.38 | yofun | So webadmin and useradmin is not recommended? |
| 04:47.42 | nvz | anima: yeah well thats the way I learned it, and it seems best to recommend to others because an error in that file could be very dangerous and visudo prevents that by copying /etc/sudoers to sudoers.tmp and modifying that file instead and checking it for errors first |
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| 04:48.53 | nvz | yofun: well dondelelcaro does hate it.. he's the admin of that dpkg bot, and last I checked Don Armstrong is not only a Debian Devloper but works at UC Berkeley in the AI lab I believe.. I've always relied on his advice and judgement over the years |
| 04:49.12 | yofun | K |
| 04:49.13 | nvz | but I've also tried webmin.. just wouldnt use it for production and frankly found it to be rather useless |
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| 04:49.58 | nvz | yofun: those others are worth looking into /msg dpkg free whcp |
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| 04:50.14 | r15 | hi |
| 04:50.16 | nvz | yofun: then ask it about the other factoids shown and see the link provided |
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| 04:50.36 | nvz | r15: not yet, but we're working on it... |
| 04:51.11 | r15 | :) |
| 04:51.24 | JoshuaP | nvz, I can't get nano |
| 04:52.18 | dvs | JoshuaP: aptitude install sensible-utils |
| 04:52.26 | nvz | JoshuaP: I'm thinking you shouldnt fool with sudo permissions :-P |
| 04:52.27 | r15 | ok i was not upgrading my lenny due to slow network, now when i try to do apt-get update i have one error with the backport source which is. |
| 04:52.30 | r15 | deb http://www.backports.org/debian-backports lenny-backports contrib main non-free |
| 04:52.54 | nvz | dvs: he's trying to add a user to sudoers and I told him visudo. seems confused about how to save the file. I assumed it uses nano to edit |
| 04:52.56 | r15 | 301 error |
| 04:55.06 | nvz | r15: comment that line out in /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 04:55.22 | r15 | nvz: http://fpaste.org/MF5W/ |
| 04:55.32 | nvz | r15: rationale is, that source doesnt do updates anyhow |
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| 04:56.23 | nvz | r15: you missed a line.. there is another backports line in there |
| 04:56.28 | r15 | nvz: i had some packages installed from backport i was thinking to get updates for them as well. |
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| 04:56.51 | nvz | r15: backports doesn't work like that |
| 04:57.21 | nvz | r15: if you insist on such you need to learn what you're doing first http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 04:59.46 | spal | where can I find the whatis.db index file used by apropos? |
| 05:00.12 | nvz | r15: as the 3xx error indicates your URL is outdated anyhow, and as the instructions indicate, pinning would be required to obtain upgrades if any were even available for backported packages |
| 05:00.29 | nvz | r15: hint: backports.debian.org not www.backports.org |
| 05:00.38 | r15 | nvz: instruction 1 says to add backports to sources.lst, which is i believe for squeeze release, i have lenny. i remember one year back i added some sources and resulted in a big mess (i added ubuntu sources). |
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| 05:01.05 | r15 | ok checking. |
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| 05:02.02 | nvz | spal: there is no such file, what are you trying to do? |
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| 05:04.22 | nvz | spal: apropos uses as indicated by its manpage: /usr/share/man/.../whatis its not A FILE, but a series of files and they are updated by a man-db cronjob and whatever you are thinking of doing you are more than likely thinking of doing wrong |
| 05:04.28 | r15 | nvz: thanks |
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| 05:05.34 | r15 | one more thing, would it be ok if i add deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main on lenny? |
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| 05:06.16 | r15 | can not afford a non working laptop as i don't have land line connection as i had last year, i am using mobile phone. |
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| 05:07.40 | spal | nvz, Just trying to find the index used by apropos out of curiosity. |
| 05:07.50 | nvz | r15: what are you trying to do here? because I see no reason for you to add squeeze-backports and as I already pointed out backports does not auto update |
| 05:07.55 | GorDonFreeMan | what is the command for ntp synchronization? |
| 05:08.17 | nvz | r15: so in theory, yes getting squeeze-backports will break your system, but in practicality it will do nothing because it doesnt work like that |
| 05:08.30 | nvz | GorDonFreeMan: ntpdate |
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| 05:09.13 | nvz | spal: well out of curiousity, that is in its manpage.. in case you're new to all this, manpages have a uniform structure and at the bottom is always files used and related manpages |
| 05:09.14 | GorDonFreeMan | thanks done that |
| 05:10.07 | nvz | spal: the /usr/share/man/.../whatis means that each directory in /usr/share/man/ has its own whatis database.. that is every language, and every section of the manual pages |
| 05:10.21 | spal | nvz, thanks. found it. |
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| 05:11.58 | r15 | ok. |
| 05:12.44 | r15 | thanks nvz |
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| 05:24.54 | yofun | K this is a dumb question but how do. I find the version of my debain? |
| 05:25.33 | trist4n | /etc/debian_version |
| 05:25.37 | trist4n | should have the version number init |
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| 05:28.15 | yofun | Hmm 5.0.8 |
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| 05:28.31 | abdelkhalak | the X server become unresponsive; i didn't experience this with lenny |
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| 05:34.56 | CrazyGir | after updating sources.list to include the mozilla repos for iceweasel/dove release for squeeze, I tried to update from v3.5 with aptitue install. this is what resulted: http://paste.debian.net/150260/ thoughts? |
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| 05:37.44 | innociv | What ftp would someone recommend? I'm needing to make something where new users and their home dir are created via a web interface for the ftp. I'm not sure if any of them make this particularly easy |
| 05:38.00 | CrazyGir | not like that |
| 05:38.04 | CrazyGir | not that I've seen |
| 05:38.20 | CrazyGir | I'd suggest users in a special sftp group, and use sftp from openssh-server |
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| 05:38.28 | CrazyGir | the built in, chrooting them into /var/sftp |
| 05:38.33 | CrazyGir | it'll take you 15 minutes |
| 05:38.39 | CrazyGir | (seriously) |
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| 05:39.49 | trist4n | if it were me, i would just use vsftpd, and some php to create the users in their own group with their own ftp only shell |
| 05:39.51 | CrazyGir | innociv: the manpage has the example, update the config, create the group, create the base directory (var/sftp) and then create the users, send the home to /var/sftp, restart ssh and test |
| 05:39.56 | trist4n | (but this may suck). |
| 05:40.15 | innociv | Yeah, I had found http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/228 on google. But sometimes google finds me bad things |
| 05:40.20 | CrazyGir | you'll get sftp via ssh in 15 minutes |
| 05:40.37 | CrazyGir | creating new users could be scripted, very easily |
| 05:41.01 | trist4n | well |
| 05:41.09 | trist4n | hmm. |
| 05:41.12 | CrazyGir | else you could get fancy and setup an openldap based backed with a django user manager front end :P |
| 05:41.22 | trist4n | i dont like my idea at all. |
| 05:41.23 | CrazyGir | s/backed/back end/ |
| 05:41.27 | CrazyGir | trist4n: hah |
| 05:41.32 | CrazyGir | sftp dude :) |
| 05:41.39 | trist4n | sftp is hamstrung by windows. |
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| 05:41.46 | CrazyGir | how do you mean? |
| 05:41.50 | trist4n | if i could mount it as a network place i would use it |
| 05:41.55 | trist4n | but windows doesnt roll that wya. |
| 05:42.02 | trist4n | and the third party aps to connect to it are a bit crap. |
| 05:42.40 | innociv | CrazyGir, so am I going to be using php to create users and their home dir? |
| 05:42.47 | innociv | And mysql user and database? |
| 05:43.01 | trist4n | is the interface going to face the users |
| 05:43.05 | trist4n | or be an admin thing |
| 05:43.19 | innociv | The user would create their directory, username, password. |
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| 05:43.38 | trist4n | aeey i dunno about that. |
| 05:43.51 | innociv | Yeah? |
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| 05:44.11 | trist4n | i guess you'd have to suid the adduser binary and give www-data(or whatever) access to it? or maybe suid a perl script to do it |
| 05:44.15 | trist4n | it doesnt sound very cleant o me. |
| 05:44.16 | innociv | How do I make it so they can only connect with ftp and not sftp or ssh anyway? |
| 05:44.40 | innociv | Hum well I don't code in perl, just php ;/ |
| 05:44.41 | trist4n | at work i use '/bin/ftponly' but i cant rightly say i have the source to this. |
| 05:44.44 | trist4n | it does something or other. |
| 05:44.57 | trist4n | or php then! just something to give the script actual access to create users. |
| 05:45.02 | innociv | but yeah I was going to give them a folder in www-data and have that be their home dir. |
| 05:45.20 | trist4n | i guess you could use an ftpd without pam authentication |
| 05:45.22 | innociv | And they have a separate php running for their www-data. |
| 05:45.26 | trist4n | might be less of a security headache |
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| 05:46.32 | innociv | But obviously I don't want them connecting to ssh. I don't get that. I'm making a linux user, what stops them from logging into ssh with that user and pass when the ftp user/pass is a linux user/pass? |
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| 05:46.44 | trist4n | hmm. |
| 05:47.08 | innociv | brb 5 minutes |
| 05:47.11 | nvz | innociv: as stated already, stop using pam auth on ftp |
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| 05:47.57 | trist4n | otherwise, you _can_ set the users shell to only allow ftp. but i am unsure if this si infallible |
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| 05:48.13 | trist4n | looks like openssh can also deny/allow based on group. again i dotn know if this is bullet proof |
| 05:48.29 | CrazyGir | innociv: I would not recommend that |
| 05:48.30 | trist4n | DenyGroups doofi ftpusers in sshd.conf, perhaps. |
| 05:48.47 | CrazyGir | trist4n: openssh is pretty freeking solid |
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| 05:49.08 | CrazyGir | look into their development practices if you want some good methods :) |
| 05:49.12 | trist4n | yeah its just, if it were me, i wouldnt want the ability to create a user, even fi they cant ssh. |
| 05:49.21 | trist4n | it doesnt feel good. |
| 05:49.23 | thewanderer1 | use scponly or whatever that's called |
| 05:49.32 | CrazyGir | I agree about using php to manage system users |
| 05:49.47 | CrazyGir | php to a sql db with ldap or something, sure.. but not system users |
| 05:49.52 | CrazyGir | else just ssh in and create |
| 05:49.57 | trist4n | i think that sounds good to me too. |
| 05:50.01 | trist4n | that is how i would pursue this. |
| 05:50.31 | trist4n | i'd also considre having the webfacing portal store the information somewhere for approval |
| 05:50.41 | trist4n | but that may be unnecessary tinfoil |
| 05:51.13 | nvz | I've never considered tinfoil unnecessary |
| 05:51.29 | nvz | in fact I often have a folded up piece with me just in case |
| 05:51.32 | nickermire | Anybody know how I might solve a virtual console problem?I can switch to a virtual console once. When I switch back to gnome and then try to go back to Ctrl F1-F6 my screen is black. |
| 05:52.10 | nvz | nickermire: sounds like a framebuffer issue, usually disabling the framebuffer is the easiest way to solve it |
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| 05:52.31 | nickermire | nvz: how do I do that? |
| 05:53.22 | Khmar | Hello everyone, I juse upgraded my wheezy a little while ago and the Alt key stopped working in my terminal (gnome-terminal and xterm). It looks like this http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=72959 is the problem but there's no workaround suggested there. Any ideas on how to get it working again? |
| 05:53.24 | nvz | nickermire: well, edit /etc/default/grub append nofb to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT and then save and run update-grub and reboot |
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| 05:54.17 | JoshuaP | nvz, how do I install .deb packages from the terminal? |
| 05:54.20 | nvz | nickermire: depending on your video card and driver being used for it, it may be a known issue with other workarounds.. for example nvidia users using the noveau driver often have this problem and solve it by using the nvidia driver |
| 05:54.30 | nvz | JoshuaP: third party debs you downloaded? |
| 05:54.37 | JoshuaP | nvz, yes |
| 05:54.46 | nvz | JoshuaP: dpkg -i package.deb |
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| 05:55.27 | nickermire | thank you will reboot and see! |
| 05:55.30 | nvz | JoshuaP: if you use X, gdebi is a nice GTK graphical tool for that |
| 05:56.35 | innociv | Back |
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| 05:56.47 | innociv | CrazyEddy, what would you not recommend, and what would you recommend? |
| 05:56.56 | abdelkhalak | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:57.02 | innociv | nvz, I'm not using any ftp at all yet. I'm asking what I should be aware of before setting it up. |
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| 05:57.31 | innociv | And openssh is what I'm using I believe. Teh Debian default. |
| 05:57.33 | Khmar | I have made some changes to my modifier keys using xmodmap (mostly to work with xmonad) and thought that was causing the problem (although things were fine before the upgrade). However, I created a new account and tried with that. The problem persists even there. It looks like a system level issue. |
| 05:57.42 | JoshuaP | nvz, the debian system is a remote server. |
| 05:57.45 | innociv | so, right, put them in the "ftp" group. |
| 05:57.57 | JoshuaP | nvz, I can't access it with anything else, but SSH |
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| 05:58.47 | nvz | innociv: well I'm not real experienced with ftp but the pam auth is the only thing tying it to the user account.. now you could set the shell to /bin/false but I am sure there are other means of ftp auth that do not require a user account on the system not to mention you say you are a php developer so you could likely hack a ftp like thing or find something usable to implement a web-based approach |
| 05:59.14 | nvz | JoshuaP: well thats just nonsense ;) |
| 05:59.40 | innociv | Being able to not have the users tied to linux accounts would be ideal, by far. |
| 05:59.53 | innociv | But in googling, everything I saw talks about setting up linux user accounts. :/ |
| 06:00.00 | nvz | JoshuaP: if you have ssh access you in turn have the ability to tunnel ports and do whatever the f' you want.. heh. but I was just telling you fyi |
| 06:00.06 | trist4n | i like CrazyGir's idea. |
| 06:00.39 | nvz | JoshuaP: also fyi, you can install a vnc server (no X is required) and tunnel it through ssh and run xapps on the machine. |
| 06:00.46 | innociv | an sql database for the ftp users? Yes, that's what I'd like to have. I didn't really stumble upon anything that details using that, though |
| 06:00.55 | CrazyGir | innociv: keeep it simple |
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| 06:00.57 | josh9 | somiaj: i understad that it's safer to use sudo, but what if you constantly have to type some commands as superuser. isn't it annoying after a while? |
| 06:01.03 | thewanderer1 | innociv, why would you *not* want to use system accounts for that? |
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| 06:01.12 | CrazyGir | use sftp, put the users in a group, chroot them and use ssh's internal sftp |
| 06:01.26 | innociv | eh? |
| 06:01.32 | thewanderer1 | chrooting is completely redundant, you're missing its point :P |
| 06:01.36 | freddddd | I need a push in the right direction to configure my certificate on to an SSH session. |
| 06:01.42 | CrazyGir | if you're really paranoid, don't run anything else on the system |
| 06:01.45 | innociv | Why sftp instead of ftp? |
| 06:01.53 | CrazyGir | thewanderer1: it's so easy with ssh/sftp, why not |
| 06:01.54 | thewanderer1 | !tell innociv about ftp must die |
| 06:02.10 | CrazyGir | innociv: because there is no reason to run an unencrypted protocol like ftp! |
| 06:02.11 | thewanderer1 | CrazyGir, much effort for a false sense of security :P |
| 06:02.31 | CrazyGir | thewanderer1: no effort, other than typing: ChrootDirectory in sshd_config |
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| 06:02.42 | innociv | Ah. |
| 06:02.44 | thewanderer1 | (and making the said chroot) |
| 06:02.48 | CrazyGir | infact, you don't even need to type it.. it's already an example in the manpage |
| 06:03.00 | CrazyGir | thewanderer1: no, not if you use the internal sftp |
| 06:03.00 | Khmar | Oh joy... Installing libvte-common seems to have fixed it.. d'uh.. |
| 06:03.00 | freddddd | CrazyGir, I see you know about good security! Could you help me regarding certificates and SSH? |
| 06:03.11 | innociv | Erm. I can have the usernames and passwords for sftp stored in a database instead of being linux users? |
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| 06:03.27 | freddddd | CrazyGir, I got a certificate for my domain, and I would like to configure it on to my SSH connection when I connect to my Debian server. |
| 06:03.39 | CrazyGir | thewanderer1: you would be totally correct if this were not openssh.. but yea, ssh+sftp for teh win |
| 06:03.49 | freddddd | If SSH in general supports it, because I always get a signature (RSA?) warning upon connecting. |
| 06:03.55 | CrazyGir | freddddd: have you seen the manpage? |
| 06:04.01 | thewanderer1 | innociv, no, but why are you so opposed to having them in /etc/passwd? |
| 06:04.05 | freddddd | I have been trying to look it up on a search engine. |
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| 06:04.11 | freddddd | But I think I am looking up improperly. |
| 06:04.18 | innociv | I'm not, I just don't want them to be able to use ssh and such I guess? |
| 06:04.27 | innociv | I just want to make sure they're locked in their home directory. |
| 06:04.29 | anima | ... wow all these issues caused by a dirty piece of fiber |
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| 06:04.38 | CrazyGir | innociv: with the setup I proposed, you could even force key auth, deny passwords, and not even set user passwords |
| 06:04.41 | anima | bangs head on desk |
| 06:04.46 | CrazyGir | anima: ? |
| 06:05.16 | anima | CrazyGir, oh i had my NFS server throwing link errors for the past 20 minutes |
| 06:05.27 | thewanderer1 | innociv, they'll only be able to transmit files using sftp, not execute shell commands, unless you let them :P |
| 06:05.30 | nvz | innociv: http://www.proftpd.org/docs/faq/linked/faq-ch7.html and http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/centos-redhat-vsftpd-ftp-with-virtual-users.html just two examples I pulled from googling "ftp without pam" |
| 06:05.31 | anima | i swapped a piece of fiber and forgot to clean the tip |
| 06:05.33 | innociv | Okay, so you're saying to not even set up and ftp. I should be creating users in an ftp group. What kind of permissions do I need on the ftp group so they can't sudo, can't look back from their homedir, etc? |
| 06:05.39 | CrazyGir | freddddd: use duckduckgo.com :) |
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| 06:05.45 | nvz | innociv: perhaps a better query would be "ftp virtual user" |
| 06:05.49 | CrazyGir | freddddd: donttrack.us |
| 06:06.02 | CrazyGir | freddddd: you can install the ssl version right there, if using firefox |
| 06:06.13 | nvz | innociv: btw those links mention both using DBs and virtual users |
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| 06:06.19 | freddddd | CrazyGir, I am just in need of information regarding configuring a proper RSA / SSL signature / certificate when configuring to my server through SSH. =p |
| 06:06.20 | CrazyGir | just select it from the drop down where you select search engins |
| 06:06.29 | innociv | nvz, what you said there sounds like it'd be simpler than an sftp setup. |
| 06:06.36 | CrazyGir | freddddd: then you could search that toolbar using: !man sshd_config |
| 06:06.43 | CrazyGir | and it'd take you here: http://compute.cnr.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/man-cgi?sshd_config |
| 06:07.05 | CrazyGir | anima: :( |
| 06:07.16 | nickermire | nvz: restarted. Didn't work. GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet nofb" |
| 06:07.17 | innociv | It seems like it'd be simpler if there are no linux users, and ftp is the only way they can connect. |
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| 06:07.26 | CrazyGir | innociv: could you please look at that manpage? |
| 06:07.29 | nickermire | nvz: does that look right? |
| 06:07.37 | freddddd | CrazyGir, I got an SSL signature from a provider, I am guessing that is a no go configuring it on my SSH connection? |
| 06:07.38 | anima | CrazyGir, its all good now and i can watch movies again |
| 06:07.40 | innociv | Which one? |
| 06:07.40 | CrazyGir | innociv: I am not lying when I say this would take less than 15 minutes |
| 06:07.43 | freddddd | I have no expiernece with these RSA signatures. |
| 06:07.51 | thewanderer1 | innociv, still, FTP must die. don't postpone its phasing out :P |
| 06:07.54 | nvz | nickermire: yes, did you update-grub after saving the file? |
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| 06:08.04 | JoshuaP | How do I make every new user get a public_html foler? |
| 06:08.06 | nickermire | nvz: yes |
| 06:08.11 | innociv | CrazyGir, but the php for creating users will be slightly more complicated than adding a row to a database |
| 06:08.25 | thewanderer1 | JoshuaP, use /etc/skel |
| 06:08.26 | nickermire | nvz: didn't work. I didn't have a problem until i compiled the kernel 3.1.6 |
| 06:08.31 | anima | thewanderer1, the only use i see for FTP these days is anonymous ftp for file sharing and even that should be switched over to sftp |
| 06:08.46 | thewanderer1 | anima, dpkg recommends HTTP for file sharing :P |
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| 06:08.51 | CrazyGir | freddddd: do you simply mean the HostKey parameter? |
| 06:09.06 | CrazyGir | innociv: that's why I would not use a web interface |
| 06:09.13 | CrazyGir | I would just ssh in |
| 06:09.19 | freddddd | CrazyGir, when I connect for the first time to a newly setup Debian server, I get some SSH warning about unknown RSA signature and if I want to permanently store it as trusted. |
| 06:09.29 | freddddd | I was wondering if there are decent security practices about configuring your own? |
| 06:09.40 | CrazyGir | if you had to, put a UI in front of a script that accepts a user name and generates a key for the user |
| 06:09.41 | anima | thewanderer1, i hate http for file sharing at times, its not fun trying to browse new sites with lynx |
| 06:09.44 | freddddd | I have an SSL certificate from a known authority that covers my domain and its subdomains, could I use that? |
| 06:09.52 | thewanderer1 | anima, gopher ftw! |
| 06:09.54 | nvz | nickermire: ah... well you could've compiled the framebuffer in for all I know.. why did you compile kernel 3.1.6 in the first place and then continue using it when having issues not present with old kernel? |
| 06:10.06 | CrazyGir | innociv: the biggest time investment is the silly ui you want :P |
| 06:10.21 | CrazyGir | freddddd: yea, just point HostKey at that file |
| 06:10.24 | CrazyGir | and restart sshd |
| 06:10.38 | thewanderer1 | innociv, you can keep system users in a database you know... |
| 06:10.45 | freddddd | Ok, thank you, I found a tutorial as well that seems to explain it, I will give it a look later when I come home from work and have the time. |
| 06:10.54 | CrazyGir | :) |
| 06:10.56 | freddddd | This being that tutorial: http://www.g-loaded.eu/2005/11/10/ssh-with-keys/ |
| 06:10.56 | nickermire | nvz: because i was playing. Trying to learn a little. hehe |
| 06:11.00 | freddddd | Will have a peek through it. |
| 06:11.06 | anima | wow is linux already at 3.1.6 ?! |
| 06:11.34 | nickermire | nvz: so if i were to recompile what should i be sure to not do... |
| 06:11.58 | anima | 3.2-rc7, what are they trying to imitate opera ? |
| 06:12.05 | innociv | I'm not talking about a web ftp interface, crazygir. Just that I need to dynamically add in users, not do them manually. |
| 06:12.08 | nvz | nickermire: never hurts, I rolled a 3.0.x when it first came out it didnt work, I went back to my old kernel and gave up.. have no reason to use 3.x and figured I'd give it some time to mature |
| 06:12.52 | JoshuaP | How do I make apache add public_html to apache as http://example.com/~user ? |
| 06:13.10 | nvz | nickermire: well first I'd have to know what the issue is, and for that I'd need all kinds of info.. most of which I could obtain with a copy of the config you used to build, /var/log/dmesg and /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 06:13.11 | nickermire | nvz: other question is my 3d acceleration doesn't work ive got a radeon X1200 |
| 06:13.19 | thewanderer1 | JoshuaP, do some reading, would you? |
| 06:13.26 | nvz | nickermire: did it work with the old kernel? |
| 06:13.51 | nickermire | nvz: nope |
| 06:13.53 | innociv | CrazyGir, what manpage are you wanting me to look at? |
| 06:13.55 | nvz | nickermire: did you use kernel package to build this kernel? |
| 06:14.06 | innociv | http://compute.cnr.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/man-cgi?sshd_config this one? |
| 06:14.14 | nickermire | nvz: I used kernel source from kernel.org |
| 06:14.38 | nvz | nickermire: then obviously you dont know what kernel-package is, and have much to learn young padawan |
| 06:14.57 | nickermire | nvz: :( |
| 06:15.01 | nvz | because kernel-package is the debian way to build kernels, its not a source package |
| 06:15.03 | nickermire | nvz: teach? |
| 06:15.05 | anima | nvz, some times its just more fun compiling your own kernel |
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| 06:15.26 | nickermire | nvz: but why can't I do it from source |
| 06:15.31 | nvz | anima: apparently you dont know what kernel-package is either or you like cruft and tainted systems |
| 06:15.44 | nvz | and taking unnecessary steps |
| 06:16.10 | nvz | nickermire: kernel-package does do it from source. you still use the same source from kernel.org, its just a TOOL to DO it with |
| 06:16.21 | nickermire | nvz: I heard it was hard to upgrade from a kernel package |
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| 06:17.02 | anima | nvz, oh come now, its simple to grab the latest kernel from kernel.org, compile and install it |
| 06:17.12 | nickermire | nvz: anyways... the 3d acceleration never worked.. |
| 06:17.14 | nvz | nickermire: I'd suggest we talk more about this in #debian-offtopic or /msg cause while I am interested in moving up on debstats this teaching the ways of kernel compiling could just as easily be done elsewhere and not clutter the channel as much |
| 06:17.45 | nvz | anima: its far simpler to grab the latest kernel from kernel.org and use kernel-package to compile and package it as a debian package |
| 06:18.05 | nvz | as I said apparently you two dont know what kernel-package is |
| 06:18.09 | nvz | !kernel-package |
| 06:18.10 | dpkg | [kernel-package] To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>. |
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| 06:18.38 | nvz | I also recommend screen and fakeroot for doingthis |
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| 06:19.53 | innociv | So, what I simply need to do is create an ftp group, right? Then in php I'm doing the useradd to that group with the appropriate homedir. |
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| 06:22.18 | innociv | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590 http://blog.markvdb.be/2009/01/sftp-on-ubuntu-and-debian-in-9-easy.html look appropriate. |
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| 06:23.29 | anima | nvz, i know what kernel package is and generally its a waste of time for me. yes im aware its the "debian way TM" however to say installing a kernel any other way than the "debian way TM" leads to a tainted system is ridiculous |
| 06:24.02 | blackshirt | is there emerge like or ports tree like system on debian ? |
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| 06:24.25 | thewanderer1 | blackshirt, no |
| 06:25.34 | nvz | anima: uh no.. something that either breaks or undermines the package system is the definition of tainting a debian system.. you can't follow directions for doing other kernel related tasks the debian way like building modules by installing the corresponding headers package or a plethora of other things without integrating your custom kernel in the packaging system |
| 06:26.01 | blackshirt | thewanderer1: i look there are apt-build on repos, tool to build from sources.. |
| 06:26.31 | thewanderer1 | blackshirt, yes, and it's nothing like the ports system |
| 06:27.05 | blackshirt | thewanderer1: i think that was similar tool |
| 06:27.06 | anima | eh ? if you need to build a new kernel module just jump to the source tree, build the module |
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| 06:28.05 | thewanderer1 | blackshirt, if all you really want to do is recompile everything for that 1% performance boost, then maybe... otherwise, no - Debian does not have ebuilds, USE flags, nor makefiles that smart |
| 06:28.09 | innociv | Er I don't get step 8. Why is peter's home directory being changed to /:? |
| 06:28.23 | anima | nvz, though i would like to see an example of a non packaged kernel breaking debians package system |
| 06:28.26 | thewanderer1 | innociv, because he gets chrooted? |
| 06:28.42 | innociv | So home/peter will just appear as / to him? |
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| 06:29.08 | thewanderer1 | innociv, pretty much yes |
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| 06:30.49 | blackshirt | thewanderer1: the author says it just prototype tool to prove of concept that we can do like emerge doing .. and probably can kick out gentoo-based emerge :D |
| 06:31.05 | nvz | anima: I'm done arguing about this.. when you do it the debian way it automatically rebuilds any proprietary drivers you may be using, updates grub..etc.. not even to mention you can patch, configure, compile and package all from a single command line.. its just foolish not to especially when you clearly dont fully understand what all it does |
| 06:31.44 | anima | nvz, when did kernel-package start rebuilding broadcom, nvidia and ati drivers ? |
| 06:31.49 | thewanderer1 | blackshirt, if you want Gentoo, run Gentoo :P |
| 06:32.25 | blackshirt | thewanderer1: no... i have tried gentoo before |
| 06:32.30 | nvz | anima: it doesnt but the packages it builds are integrated into the package system as are the drivers so upon install they act accordingly |
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| 06:32.55 | blackshirt | thewanderer1: i just want to know, was there tool like that :D |
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| 06:34.49 | anima | nvz, even the debian team says kernel-package is recommended but not necessary. now if you want to argue that broadcom, ati or nvidia kernel modules will act accordingly after a new kernel install, sure they will if you mean they wont load |
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| 06:36.42 | nvz | anima: I dont want to argue at all.. and no shit its not necessary but I generally don't tell people to do stuff thats more difficult and assume they either know how or can solve issues that just compiling a damn kernel package the debian way can solve |
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| 06:37.25 | anima | unless you grab the debian nvidia driver which is about 2 years out of date, the broadcom drivers they dont have, some of the specific atheros patchs which they dont have. does kernel-package somewhat help to protect the package system ? slightly but to say it produces a tainted system i dont think so |
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| 06:38.21 | anima | ill be back in a few need to see if this sans rebuilt |
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| 06:39.31 | home | hello |
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| 06:39.51 | blackshirt | hello home |
| 06:39.52 | home | ssh and scp were found with 000 permissions (only root could thus run them) |
| 06:40.11 | home | seems whenever I apt-upgrade, the files get 000 permissions |
| 06:40.15 | home | which messes stuff up |
| 06:40.22 | home | happened on my previous debian install too |
| 06:40.24 | home | any ideas? |
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| 06:40.57 | innociv | Well, yeah that seems extremely simple. |
| 06:41.23 | home | what? isn't apt supposed to do the right thing |
| 06:41.38 | home | also after the update I am now getting, when trying to login to xdm |
| 06:41.40 | home | "login incorrect or forbidden by policy" |
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| 06:44.26 | home | xdm error: pam_authenticate failure: Module is unknown |
| 06:44.32 | home | can anyone help with all this? |
| 06:45.28 | somiaj | josh9: I don't find it annoying, but I also set it up so most things you do dont' require root privlages. After you get the system set up, there is really very little I do that requires me to be root. |
| 06:46.00 | somiaj | josh9: mostly just updates in sid, isntalling/removing packages is all I use root for and I don't do that often. |
| 06:46.32 | blackshirt | home: something wrong with permission ?? |
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| 06:48.07 | CrazyGir | what's going on here? http://paste.debian.net/150260/ |
| 06:48.34 | CrazyGir | I am trying to upgrade iceweasel using mozilla's deb repo for squeeze/iceweasel release |
| 06:48.46 | CrazyGir | apt seems to want to remove all sorts of stuff I'd like to keep |
| 06:48.53 | to | Lol Weird.... |
| 06:48.53 | nsadmin | sources.list line you used for the purpose? |
| 06:49.55 | CrazyGir | nsadmin: deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ squeeze-backports iceweasel-release |
| 06:50.17 | CrazyGir | nsadmin: from the debian mozilla team page |
| 06:50.19 | yofun | Nuz ; |
| 06:50.20 | yofun | ? |
| 06:50.28 | nsadmin | ok, same as mine. please pastebin the entire sources.list |
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| 06:51.15 | home | blackshirt: after apt |
| 06:51.25 | home | permissions are set to 000 for new stuff |
| 06:51.27 | home | sucks |
| 06:51.30 | home | don't know why |
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| 06:52.17 | JoshuaP | How do I make apache add public_html to apache as http://example.com/~user ? |
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| 06:52.54 | nsadmin | isn';t that mod_userdir |
| 06:53.12 | blackshirt | home: maybe you have change umask ? |
| 06:53.15 | nsadmin | but don't take my word for it, see the apache web site and docs |
| 06:53.34 | home | blackshirt: yes umask has changed |
| 06:53.39 | home | to only owner can use |
| 06:53.42 | CrazyGir | nsadmin: http://paste.debian.net/150263/ nothing special |
| 06:53.43 | somiaj | if you look though the default config that came wint apache (/etc/apache2/) I belive there is a thing that says 'uncomment this to add user dirs' |
| 06:53.54 | home | but why does apt do this for installed programs? |
| 06:54.41 | blackshirt | home: maybe you can look at installer script |
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| 06:55.36 | somiaj | JoshuaP: check /etc/apache2/mods-enabled (do you have a userdir.conf link there?) |
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| 06:55.53 | Phifo | hi, can someone helpme? |
| 06:56.19 | CrazyGir | nsadmin: I don't quite understand why apt wants to remove all those packages.. seems so odd |
| 06:56.24 | nsadmin | CrazyGir, where I was leading was to the possibility that some packages were not compatible with squeeze |
| 06:56.26 | blackshirt | Phifo: just ask your problem, maybe better with detail |
| 06:56.31 | CrazyGir | nsadmin: indeed |
| 06:57.21 | nsadmin | it seems like that;s the case, but your sources.list doesn't show any source that's glaringly incompatible |
| 06:57.47 | CrazyGir | suggests? |
| 06:57.52 | CrazyGir | *suggestions |
| 06:58.24 | nsadmin | phifo, I'm a sicco, we're a sicco, he's a sicco she's a sicco... wouldn't you like to be a sicco too? |
| 06:58.28 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 06:58.28 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 06:58.33 | Phifo | I'm upgrading to squeeze from lenny, but udev gave kernel version problem, so now i'm trying to upgrade my kernel but when i tried i can't, I get a "Cannot allocate memory" error. |
| 06:59.11 | sje46 | I have a file in which each line is a path to a mp3 and I want to use this file to make a zip (or any kind of archive). How do I do this? the zip -@ option doesnt seem to be doing anything. |
| 06:59.20 | nsadmin | did you successfully upgrade the kernel? |
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| 06:59.31 | nsadmin | or, is it that you're low on disk space? |
| 07:00.14 | blackshirt | Phifo: have you try to reboot and try again :D |
| 07:00.20 | Phifo | lol |
| 07:00.54 | JoshuaP | somiaj, yes |
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| 07:02.01 | sje46 | I'm kinda rushed here. Does anyone know how to use an input file to make a directory at least? |
| 07:02.28 | anima | ok debian is fast becoming my least liked server os |
| 07:02.31 | sje46 | http://pastebin.com/1XfYY1B7 this is the file. Can I use this file to quickly make a directory or archive? |
| 07:02.37 | somiaj | JoshuaP: then it should be enabled. the apache process needs to be able to access the users public_html directory, so if you don't have them as 755, make sure you set a group so apache can get inside. |
| 07:03.00 | Phifo | :( |
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| 07:03.42 | nsadmin | sje46, just so you know... you may be rushed... but I'm not... ok, that out of the way, not sure yet what you mean... an input file? what kind? |
| 07:04.03 | sje46 | nsadmin: the pastebin I posted. Just a normal file. |
| 07:04.11 | sje46 | Each line is an address to an mp3 |
| 07:04.28 | nsadmin | ok, so a text file |
| 07:04.36 | sje46 | Yes. |
| 07:04.48 | nsadmin | when you say address, do you mean web url? |
| 07:04.59 | sje46 | I mean path |
| 07:05.07 | sje46 | I want to make a zip of those files. |
| 07:05.14 | nsadmin | could you show one? |
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| 07:05.23 | sje46 | show one what, nsadmin ? |
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| 07:05.37 | nsadmin | say, the first line of the input file |
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| 07:06.12 | nsadmin | if the first char is "/", put a space or dot first |
| 07:06.17 | sje46 | ...the first line is /home/sean/Music/13th Floor Elevators - A Love That's Sound/1-06 Dr.Doom.mp3 |
| 07:06.37 | sje46 | I posted the pastebin, that's exactly what it looks like |
| 07:06.44 | sje46 | okay...why? |
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| 07:06.58 | nsadmin | so you can post it here |
| 07:07.24 | nsadmin | do all of them start /home/sean/? |
| 07:07.26 | sje46 | What are you talking about? |
| 07:07.28 | sje46 | Yes, they all do |
| 07:07.38 | nsadmin | what else in common? |
| 07:07.47 | josh9 | somiaj: sid, living on the edge..i am using wheezy for the first time, and so far no issues. |
| 07:07.53 | sje46 | I have no diea what you're talking about |
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| 07:08.06 | sje46 | each line is a path. I want to make it so that each line is put into the zip |
| 07:08.18 | sje46 | It's a playlist. I want to make a zip from the playlist. |
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| 07:08.45 | sje46 | What else they have in common? They're all audio files. What else can I say? |
| 07:08.55 | nsadmin | so it's not that you want the entire dir /home/sean/Music |
| 07:09.04 | sje46 | Yes, I dot want that entire directory |
| 07:09.13 | nsadmin | looks at man tar |
| 07:09.27 | somiaj | josh9: I find sid nicer than testing, mostly because it gets fixes far quicker. Just install apt-listbugs (been running sid for 10+ years now) |
| 07:09.33 | sje46 | I'm making a zip from a playlist. preferably with zip because the other person probably doesnt have linux |
| 07:09.34 | Sgt_Lemming | got a machine I have just installed debian 6.0.3 x64 on |
| 07:09.39 | sje46 | The -@ option isnt working |
| 07:09.48 | nsadmin | on all the lines in the file, looking from the left, what is the longest common string? |
| 07:10.13 | Sgt_Lemming | when I do "Shutdown -P now" it retunrs an error saying that "-P is not a valid argument" |
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| 07:10.30 | Sgt_Lemming | anyone got any ideas as to what to try to fix it? |
| 07:10.31 | sje46 | I dont know... "/home/sean/Music/AAA/collections/Nuggets1/Nuggets - Original Artyfacts from the First Psychedelic Era (CD 1)/01. I Had Too Much to Dream (Last Night) - The Electric Prunes.mp3" probably |
| 07:10.46 | Sgt_Lemming | no gui btw, CLI only |
| 07:10.52 | sje46 | But it has a -@ option, and I think that's what I'm supposed to use, nsadmin |
| 07:11.02 | yofun | Hello I get hecking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables. When I try to start mysql |
| 07:11.40 | yofun | Lol checking* |
| 07:11.41 | nsadmin | sje46, I mean, what do all the lines start with? |
| 07:11.56 | sje46 | I just tld you. I linked you to the pastebin. |
| 07:12.04 | sje46 | They all start with /home/sean/Music/ |
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| 07:12.25 | nsadmin | ok |
| 07:12.26 | sje46 | http://pastebin.com/1XfYY1B7 Here is the link again. MY file is identical to this |
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| 07:13.22 | yofun | Hello I get hecking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables. When I try to start mysql |
| 07:14.09 | sje46 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:14.12 | sje46 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:14.16 | Sgt_Lemming | yofun, might be better to ask in an SQL related channel? |
| 07:14.21 | yofun | Sorry |
| 07:14.42 | sje46 | nsadmin: zip psych -@ psychedelia |
| 07:14.44 | sje46 | doesnt work |
| 07:14.49 | Sgt_Lemming | tis ok, but SQL is not specific to debian after all, so someone in another channel might be able to answer |
| 07:15.06 | sje46 | psych is the archive nae, psychedelia is the name of the text file |
| 07:15.14 | nsadmin | in man tar: |
| 07:15.22 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.22 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.24 | yofun | Sgt_Lemming: is there a irc channel for that? |
| 07:15.30 | Sgt_Lemming | dunno |
| 07:15.35 | yofun | Nvm |
| 07:15.41 | sje46 | Okay, an I do that with zip or rar or something that non-linux users can use? |
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| 07:16.09 | nsadmin | dunno, you didn't say that unix tools were unsuitable :) |
| 07:16.34 | Sgt_Lemming | sje46, winrar has a linux version, but it's not GUI |
| 07:16.37 | Sgt_Lemming | it's CLI only |
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| 07:17.55 | sje46 | What does it matter if winrar has a linux version? |
| 07:18.01 | sje46 | I asked for zip, not tar for a reason |
| 07:18.17 | sje46 | but I'll just tar it, extract, then zip the extracted directory I guess |
| 07:18.40 | nsadmin | that sounds reasonable |
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| 07:24.19 | nsadmin | sje46, another form of the same thing would be to copy the files to another place then zip the result |
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| 07:24.32 | sje46 | nsadmin: that's what I've been asking |
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| 07:24.34 | sje46 | how do I do this? |
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| 07:25.10 | Phifo | I can't upgrade my kernel, I got "cannot allocate memory" error, can anyone help me? |
| 07:25.50 | nsadmin | can we assume that you want to remove the common leftmost path (/hame/sean/Music) when you extract? |
| 07:26.23 | sje46 | Sure |
| 07:26.43 | nsadmin | ok, start with... |
| 07:26.43 | sje46 | So you dont have to click through /home/sean/Music/ each time you want to get to a file? Yes. |
| 07:27.06 | nsadmin | well so that the archive isn't rooted at / |
| 07:27.18 | sje46 | Yes, that. |
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| 08:12.27 | nsadmin | I got something that might work for you |
| 08:12.45 | nsadmin | sje46 that is |
| 08:13.21 | sje46 | Oh hi. I got it in an archive but would appreciate a quicker version for later |
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| 08:13.23 | sje46 | what is it, nsadmin ? |
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| 08:13.57 | nsadmin | well I ended up writing a perl script |
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| 08:14.22 | nsadmin | which outputs a shell script that looks good |
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| 08:17.15 | nvz | so I just learned squeeze's fglrx doesn't support kernel 3.x apparently.. |
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| 08:17.51 | nvz | oh well, sure nickermire will be back tomorrow to ask which method is best to test it with 3.x |
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| 08:28.12 | johngalt | how does one ask the bot for info? |
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| 08:29.18 | unkmar | johngalt: that's how |
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| 08:41.15 | josh9 | x crashes when playing video (mplayer). here is /var/log/Xorg.0.log - http://paste.debian.net/150268 any advice is welcome! |
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| 08:53.16 | nvz | josh9: thats mostly irrelevant I think the crash would be shown in the gdm log. Probably would help to know more about the mplayer situation.. what video output plugin being used, breif explaination of what kind of media being played, local file, remote file, dvd..etc |
| 08:54.06 | ompaul | josh9: so you are running testing and or sid? |
| 08:54.25 | josh9 | ompaul: testing |
| 08:54.30 | nvz | also relevant if the crash was a one tme thing, intermittant, or consistently reproducable |
| 08:54.55 | josh9 | nvz: different videos. flv, mp4. i will try with vlc |
| 08:55.12 | nvz | so in other words it crashes X playing anything |
| 08:55.23 | josh9 | nvz: looks like it. yeah |
| 08:55.51 | josh9 | nvz: btw, not sure if i have gdm log. i use awesomeWM, not gnome/kde. |
| 08:56.12 | ompaul | not so awesome today ? |
| 08:56.29 | ompaul | josh9: have you d-ued recently? |
| 08:56.39 | nvz | josh9: ah right.. I forgot so when it crashes its crashing back to console? |
| 08:56.56 | nvz | no weirdness like solid color screen? |
| 08:57.23 | josh9 | "fatal server error. signal 11" - that's what i see inside the terminal after the crash (the login without x) |
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| 08:58.02 | ompaul | no wonder you don't have enough logs |
| 08:58.06 | josh9 | nvz: after the crash i a back in the tty screen (not sure the name) |
| 08:58.17 | josh9 | ompaul: what's d-ued |
| 08:58.23 | ompaul | josh9: dist-upgrade |
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| 08:58.55 | josh9 | ompaul: i installed squeeze, and upgraded to wheezy by changing sources.list |
| 08:58.57 | ompaul | josh9: also you should consider for logging purposes on testing to give people more information a xdm |
| 08:59.14 | ompaul | josh9: you need to keep doing that new versions falling in from above all the time |
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| 08:59.49 | ompaul | josh9: and while upgrading in this mode you *must* use dist-upgrade not upgrade |
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| 09:00.23 | josh9 | ompaul: aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 09:01.03 | ompaul | josh9: not the same |
| 09:01.11 | nvz | josh9: yes to clarify before asking questions about testing/unstable you should generally have done what ompaul said, and at least queried the BTS to check for your issue.. and should technically file a bug report |
| 09:01.13 | josh9 | ompaul: googled for xdm..it's a graphical login manager |
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| 09:01.29 | nvz | personally I just checked the BTS nothing seems relevant to your issue |
| 09:01.33 | josh9 | nvz: what's BTS |
| 09:01.38 | nvz | haha |
| 09:01.39 | ompaul | josh9: there is that one and there is gdm and there kdm (at least) |
| 09:01.41 | nvz | fantastic |
| 09:01.49 | nvz | !bts |
| 09:01.50 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
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| 09:02.07 | ompaul | josh9: you do not have the skills to run testing - so when it really breaks how are you going to fix it? |
| 09:02.08 | removeit | hi everyone! i've got a problem with removing some packages from debian squeeze. i want to remove cyrus and friends, but when i try, i get: this : http://pastebin.com/v6yXRRrW . I suspect because before installing the packages i had manually removed the init scripts leftover from a previous install, and that screwed things up. |
| 09:02.10 | josh9 | bugs? i thought debian is bug free. this is a joke, right? |
| 09:02.11 | removeit | what can i try? |
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| 09:02.16 | project2501a | good morning :) |
| 09:02.18 | nvz | there are a lot of segfault bugs but a segfault would kill mplayer not X |
| 09:02.21 | josh9 | just kidding |
| 09:02.31 | nvz | josh9: yeah if you use stable knucklehead |
| 09:02.37 | removeit | err, courier, not cyrus :) |
| 09:03.04 | nvz | josh9: and thats only release critical bugs and only if knuckleheads like you report them to be squashed in the first place |
| 09:03.05 | josh9 | i'll be happy to submit bug report. |
| 09:03.29 | ompaul | removeit: you started to mess with config scripts before the paste? |
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| 09:04.14 | removeit | ompaul: i had installed that previously. then i removed it via apt-get. then i manually deleted the init scripts and the config files in etc. then i apt-get installed it again, and it bitched about borkage. now i'm trying to clean up the mess. |
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| 09:04.26 | nvz | josh9: you need to first make sure you've updated to the latest version, and checked for an open bug that matches your issue and if there is one then you append that open bug but as you get used to the process the package maintainer will merge or reclassify your bugs if you do it wrong |
| 09:04.57 | nvz | josh9: another interesting thing to help you out may be to install apt-listbugs and possibly apt-listchanges... |
| 09:04.59 | josh9 | nvz: ok. i'll first make sure i got the latest version. 1 sec |
| 09:04.59 | removeit | ompaul: so, yes. |
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| 09:05.18 | ompaul | removeit: this is why it won't remove your setup |
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| 09:05.27 | josh9 | uname -a: 3.1.0-1-amd64 |
| 09:05.38 | nvz | josh9: those packages warn you before confirming install of open bug reports against that package so you can look up the bug reports to know if you should install/upgrade or not |
| 09:05.41 | removeit | ompaul: that is somewhat clear to me. what i dont know is how to fix this. |
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| 09:06.21 | ompaul | removeit: there may be a quick fix in the following command >>> touch /usr/sbin/couriertcpd <<< else you need to (A) reinstall (B) then remove |
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| 09:06.40 | nvz | josh9: by latest version I mean doing what ompaul told you to do.. apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 09:06.40 | ompaul | removeit: if you removed lots of stuff then I guess ... you have to reinstall |
| 09:06.50 | ompaul | nvz: dist :P |
| 09:06.52 | josh9 | nvz: ok |
| 09:07.01 | nvz | ompaul: really? |
| 09:07.03 | ompaul | josh9: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 09:07.13 | ompaul | nvz: yah you want old stuff to be removed |
| 09:07.17 | nvz | ompaul: is that what they've been calling a 'smart upgrade' |
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| 09:07.33 | ompaul | nvz: not that I'm aware of |
| 09:07.39 | removeit | ompaul: creating that file doesnt fix it. |
| 09:07.41 | nvz | or safe or whatever its called in the update manager |
| 09:07.46 | ompaul | !reinstall |
| 09:07.46 | dpkg | it has been said that reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>. |
| 09:08.02 | ompaul | removeit: ^^ |
| 09:08.16 | nvz | ompaul: I haven't run testing/unstable in years.. and never did dist-upgrade other than when actually dist upgrading |
| 09:08.17 | removeit | wtf is that |
| 09:08.19 | removeit | wow. |
| 09:08.28 | removeit | so, what does that do? |
| 09:08.33 | ompaul | nvz: well that is how you do it these days |
| 09:08.58 | nvz | I'll take your word for it, dont see how it could hurt, just dont really see why its necessary either |
| 09:09.00 | ompaul | removeit: it does what you want choose the second one |
| 09:09.21 | removeit | does it affect *all* packages? |
| 09:09.22 | ompaul | nvz: upgrade won't remove fluff that the older version used |
| 09:09.26 | josh9 | interesting. i read about aptitude full-upgrade and it will update all the packages, but will not upgrade my distro! |
| 09:09.32 | ompaul | removeit: it will but you only broke one |
| 09:09.34 | ompaul | I hope |
| 09:09.35 | josh9 | so i might be still on squeeze?? |
| 09:09.45 | removeit | i've got VM's installed. will it break those? |
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| 09:09.49 | ompaul | josh9: no you are not |
| 09:10.00 | removeit | specifically kvm stuff |
| 09:10.09 | nvz | ompaul: I heard you say that at least twice now.. but I dont vision how during an update of a package within the same dist would ever not use something a previous version did |
| 09:10.09 | ompaul | removeit: depends on how customised you made your system |
| 09:10.22 | removeit | this will be fun. |
| 09:10.26 | ompaul | nvz: think perl transitions |
| 09:10.31 | josh9 | ompaul: let me read about dist-upgrade vs aptitude full-upgrade |
| 09:10.51 | ompaul | nvz: you need the old crapola gone to get on with your new friend perl 5.14 ;-) |
| 09:10.57 | removeit | ompaul: second one is: dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install right ? |
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| 09:11.05 | nvz | josh9: no, unlike stable which is frozen, testing and unstable branches update day to day.. or even hour to hour.. your issue couldve been solves since you installed the package |
| 09:11.19 | josh9 | nvz: sweet |
| 09:11.32 | nvz | josh9: so you need to make sure your bug is reproducable at the time of reporting a bug or complaining in #debian with the latest version |
| 09:11.57 | josh9 | nvz: got it |
| 09:12.01 | nvz | josh9: otherwise you're wasting time.. heh |
| 09:12.12 | ompaul | removeit: as I see it |
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| 09:13.00 | ompaul | removeit: basically when debian installs stuff it expects to find said stuff when it rremoves is |
| 09:13.01 | nvz | josh9: apt-listbugs package will help you when doing these frequent updates as it warns you of bugs against packages being installed before you confirm and can help you avoid upgrading a package that works now but has a new bug that would break it if you upgrade |
| 09:13.06 | removeit | ompaul: fail. http://pastebin.com/aZhPKtxf |
| 09:13.23 | ompaul | removeit: well done welcome to the I broke my computer club :) |
| 09:13.39 | nvz | josh9: it only shows the bug number and description.. but its a heads up that lets you know to check the bts before proceeding to see if the issue is applicable to your system |
| 09:13.44 | hivemind | guys |
| 09:14.04 | removeit | well fuck. |
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| 09:14.05 | ompaul | removeit: tell me how was it installed in the first place? |
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| 09:14.18 | removeit | via apt-get |
| 09:14.36 | removeit | i then used it |
| 09:14.38 | removeit | broke the config |
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| 09:14.44 | removeit | removed it via apt-get remove |
| 09:14.47 | removeit | deleted the config |
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| 09:14.52 | nvz | josh9: some bugs may only apply to certain hardware or such so if the description sounds bad, you generally want to read the full bug report and see what architecture and details are in the report and determine if the issue is relevant to you or not |
| 09:14.52 | removeit | deleted the init scripts |
| 09:14.58 | removeit | and since then its been in this limbo state. |
| 09:14.59 | ompaul | nvz: can you remember the clean config sthing |
| 09:15.12 | hivemind | in time of loading, my debian is said "/dev/sda7: recovering journal" uhm, he is deleting files without my order? i have the electricity switched down in time of computer works |
| 09:15.20 | removeit | and it refuses to recreate the darn init scripts |
| 09:15.22 | ompaul | removeit: yes it would be - there is a clean my configs thing I cant remember the factoid |
| 09:15.29 | josh9 | nvz: ok. sounds exciting |
| 09:15.34 | nvz | ompaul: don't know what you're talking about.. hint? context? |
| 09:15.40 | removeit | ompaul: you mean purge? |
| 09:15.41 | ompaul | removeit: it has an expectation about your interaction |
| 09:15.43 | nvz | first thing that comes to mind is make clean.. heh |
| 09:15.46 | ompaul | removeit: no I don't |
| 09:15.58 | ompaul | nvz: something like reinstall with default configs |
| 09:16.04 | ompaul | gaaa |
| 09:16.23 | nvz | ompaul: isnt just a --purge --reinstall ? |
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| 09:16.29 | removeit | ompaul is good at multitastking. :D |
| 09:16.44 | nvz | !listvals --reinstall |
| 09:16.47 | ompaul | nvz: ... can't remember |
| 09:16.49 | dpkg | Factoid search of '--reinstall' by value (5): apt-listbugs fix ;; confnew ;; reinstall everything ;; reinstall ;; ld #del#. |
| 09:16.57 | ompaul | !confnew |
| 09:16.57 | dpkg | [confnew] dpkg --force-confnew will force dpkg to overwrite any changes you have made to conffiles. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" reinstall <packagename>. See also <confmiss>. |
| 09:17.14 | removeit | aha |
| 09:17.19 | removeit | !confmiss |
| 09:17.19 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 09:17.20 | hivemind | huh |
| 09:17.33 | ompaul | !tell removeit about selftell |
| 09:17.35 | josh9 | nvz: also, u recommend installing xdm since it will log more info about my bugs? |
| 09:17.36 | ompaul | grins |
| 09:17.42 | nvz | ompaul: you can do listkeys to search factoid names and listvals to search contents |
| 09:18.03 | removeit | oh sry :) |
| 09:18.06 | ompaul | nvz: I'll let you know how under par I am today ;-) |
| 09:18.23 | ompaul | josh9: gdm or kdm would give you more flexable |
| 09:18.26 | removeit | ok.. so i guess i want the confmiss one, right? |
| 09:18.34 | nvz | josh9: I just assumed you were using one as its standard desktop install... in the case no dm is present crash info would be dumped to the tty where X was started |
| 09:18.48 | nsadmin | if you deleted the configs, confmiss would work I guess |
| 09:18.51 | ompaul | removeit: start there |
| 09:18.59 | removeit | letsa try |
| 09:19.01 | josh9 | nvz: right. is there a way to copy paste text from tty? |
| 09:19.03 | nvz | josh9: or to the xorg.log.. problem is your log you pasted showed no crash info just normal stuff |
| 09:19.08 | nsadmin | but confnew would rewrite all of them |
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| 09:20.05 | nvz | josh9: screen has a copy/paste feature but not really applicable in this situation.. only other thought that comes to mind is that mouse daemon for tty I haven't used in ages that I can't remember the name of |
| 09:20.31 | josh9 | nvz: cool, so i might be able to use the mouse? |
| 09:20.35 | josh9 | let me google |
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| 09:21.00 | nvz | bah nsadmin is here.. heh |
| 09:21.57 | nvz | one of the few people that will keep me from securing a top 3 spot for this month.. :-P |
| 09:22.16 | ompaul | tries to distract nsadmin with pms but fails :) |
| 09:22.35 | nsadmin | I;m male... pms won't work well |
| 09:22.39 | nvz | haha |
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| 09:23.37 | nsadmin | ther's a top 3 spot? |
| 09:23.41 | nvz | nope |
| 09:23.47 | nsadmin | :P |
| 09:23.50 | nvz | heh |
| 09:23.56 | nvz | debstats dont exist |
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| 09:25.10 | nvz | nsadmin: http://debstats.dontexist.org/ piggy is watching you ;) |
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| 09:25.30 | ompaul | points nvz at a certain message window |
| 09:26.04 | nvz | yeah I got the message just didnt understand its relevance |
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| 09:26.44 | ompaul | nvz: ah - why I'm so slow today I didn't even at the time remember to grep the logs |
| 09:27.07 | ompaul | dpkg-reconfigure brain |
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| 09:27.20 | ksuhku | apt-get install sleep? |
| 09:27.33 | ompaul | ksuhku: slightly more complex |
| 09:27.34 | nvz | ask a pharmacist for some pseudophedrine and add in some dextromethorphan and acetaminophen.. damn good cold/flu formula they dont sell anymore cause sales dropped due to them taking pseudoephedrine off the shelves cause of meth heads |
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| 09:28.00 | ompaul | yeah I've taken stuff |
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| 09:29.09 | nvz | stuff isn't as good as this formula.. 30mg pseudophedrine, 10mg dextromethorphan, 500mg acetaminophen.. |
| 09:30.14 | CrazyGir | when I hit the "auto adjust" button on my lcd on my laptop, it works fine, but says it is "not available" when connected to my desktop. is there a package I'm missing or some such/ |
| 09:30.18 | CrazyGir | ? |
| 09:30.19 | nvz | dries up the sinuses takes care of the cough and eases the pain and fever unlike anything I've ever tried. Used to be sold as Sudafed Severe Cold formula.. but they stopped making it when they had to replace the "sudafed" pseudophedrine with phenylprene which is garbage |
| 09:30.30 | ompaul | correct and I can't get to a pharmacist without a note from a quack and I can't get a quack until they open the "out of hours service" |
| 09:30.57 | nvz | only drug thats regulated is the sudafed and it can be obtained with nothing but ID and asking for it |
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| 09:31.02 | nevyn | umm this is so OT |
| 09:31.18 | nevyn | it's just unavailible here. |
| 09:31.21 | nevyn | it's sadtimes |
| 09:31.39 | nevyn | suggests -ot |
| 09:31.50 | nvz | CrazyGir: I dont know this auto-adjust feature on any laptop |
| 09:31.58 | nvz | so I have no clue |
| 09:32.13 | CrazyGir | nvz: sorry, it's a typical monitor |
| 09:32.20 | nvz | I've seen that on lcds for desktops but its solely a function of the screen and has nothing to do with the OS |
| 09:32.27 | CrazyGir | it's hooked up to my laptop as an external |
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| 09:32.37 | ompaul | CrazyGir: and what happens next? |
| 09:32.38 | CrazyGir | along with my desktop, one svga and the other dvi |
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| 09:33.09 | CrazyGir | auto adust works fine when the display is under the laptops control, but says "not available" when connected to the desktop |
| 09:33.12 | nvz | it basically in its buffer memory moves/resizes the screen until the displayable image reaches the edges of the screen then refreshes the display |
| 09:34.00 | nvz | afaik there is no communication in either direction with the screens electronics that perform this. |
| 09:34.48 | nvz | and nothing done from the OS that can effect it.. would rely solely on the image on the screen when you activate it |
| 09:35.06 | nvz | or more specifically the dimensions of the image |
| 09:35.12 | CrazyGir | what your saying may be true, but it also doesn't align with what I see here |
| 09:35.41 | ompaul | CrazyGir: monitor should be plugged into one or other device only |
| 09:35.46 | removeit | ompaul: fixed it. turns out that even the recreate config didnt do the trick. but fooling the installer to believe that it is properly set up did. aka creating dummy files in etc and removing breaking lines from the stop init.d script . |
| 09:35.50 | removeit | back to normal now. |
| 09:35.57 | CrazyGir | shrug |
| 09:35.58 | CrazyGir | ok |
| 09:35.58 | josh9 | nvz: now it's not crashing anymore, but mplayer is very very slow. looking at the BTS online. |
| 09:36.55 | removeit | ompaul: basically i did a purge and reinstalled. |
| 09:36.56 | removeit | :D |
| 09:37.05 | removeit | thanks for the help anyhow! |
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| 09:37.29 | nvz | CrazyGir: i'd google it.. since you know the make/model of the screen |
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| 09:38.13 | CrazyGir | what's up with apt? http://paste.debian.net/150272/ |
| 09:38.16 | nvz | josh9: I didnt see any bugs related to it being slow or crashing X when I looked.. mostly segfaults |
| 09:38.37 | scx_ | why "moonlight-plugin-core" was remove from Debian (x86/AMD64) repo? |
| 09:38.42 | CrazyGir | nvz: it's cool, maybe another day, there are more important things to tend to, just thought I could add a package or something simple in passing as I noticed it |
| 09:39.14 | ompaul | CrazyGir: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade start there and tell us when that is done |
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| 09:39.39 | CrazyGir | ok to use aptitude in place of apt-get? |
| 09:39.49 | nvz | CrazyGir: yes |
| 09:40.18 | Corey | In some cases, preferred I'd imagine. :-) |
| 09:40.37 | nvz | some people.. I am so used to apt-get long before aptitude so I still do it out of habit |
| 09:40.50 | CrazyGir | sadface |
| 09:40.52 | CrazyGir | http://paste.debian.net/150273/ |
| 09:40.59 | nvz | but for the most part aptitude is a drop in replacement for apt-get or apt-cache |
| 09:41.07 | scx_ | CrazyGir: you should use apt-* xor aptitude |
| 09:41.10 | scx_ | not both |
| 09:41.19 | CrazyGir | I use aptitude everywhere else |
| 09:41.25 | CrazyGir | so I will stick with it |
| 09:41.42 | ompaul | CrazyGir: so you have to upgrade the machine - sadface or not |
| 09:41.46 | scx_ | CrazyGir: if you want deb-src packages you should use apt |
| 09:41.59 | CrazyGir | scx_: that was my understanding, and but I am not as sure about these things as I am with openbsd |
| 09:42.20 | CrazyGir | ompaul: oh, that's no so bad, I was just so confused with all the package removals, what's up with that? |
| 09:42.32 | nvz | ompaul: idk thats making me think there is something third party in there |
| 09:42.34 | ompaul | CrazyGir: it has to move forward |
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| 09:42.40 | CrazyGir | scx_: how do you mean? |
| 09:42.43 | ompaul | nvz: then we need |
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| 09:42.59 | ompaul | CrazyGir: please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list in full thanks |
| 09:43.00 | CrazyGir | ompaul: are they being upgraded.. ? |
| 09:44.08 | CrazyGir | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/150274/ |
| 09:44.09 | nvz | CrazyGir: have you recently attempted to upgrade to a different dist or installed anything from another dist or non-official source? |
| 09:44.36 | nvz | aha firefox |
| 09:44.37 | CrazyGir | nvz: I tried adding iceweasel release for squeeze |
| 09:44.46 | CrazyGir | nvz: this is a new install |
| 09:44.55 | nvz | yeah you broke your package system adding that repo |
| 09:45.02 | CrazyGir | bah |
| 09:45.14 | CrazyGir | should I just reinstall, or easy to fix? |
| 09:45.28 | CrazyGir | nvz: what'd I do wrong? |
| 09:45.30 | nvz | how idk cause it seems like thats a backport supposedly |
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| 09:45.51 | CrazyGir | yea, I grabbed that off the mozilla debian crew's page |
| 09:45.56 | nvz | you may just have to stick out the upgrade and put back anything that it removes |
| 09:46.06 | CrazyGir | oh, that wouldn't be so bad |
| 09:46.13 | nvz | CrazyGir: I will tell you this though, with aptitudes solutions you can keep saying no until one sounds good.. heh |
| 09:46.23 | CrazyGir | hah |
| 09:46.25 | nvz | CrazyGir: it will keep trying to find alternative ways |
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| 09:46.33 | scx_ | CrazyGir: is it you whole source.list file? |
| 09:46.44 | CrazyGir | scx_: yep |
| 09:46.53 | scx_ | why you not use squeeze non-free and contrib? |
| 09:47.04 | CrazyGir | mozilla is actually in souces.list.d |
| 09:47.07 | nvz | thats the only time I use aptitude is when things are fubar |
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| 09:47.29 | ronny | hi |
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| 09:47.50 | CrazyGir | scx_: where are you saying that should go? |
| 09:47.59 | ronny | can someone tell me whats a good way to have the latest iceweasel/firefox versions on my debian instead of the stable ones? |
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| 09:48.24 | CrazyGir | ronny: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 09:48.37 | nvz | hah |
| 09:48.46 | CrazyGir | :P |
| 09:48.51 | nvz | irony |
| 09:48.55 | CrazyGir | totally |
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| 09:49.07 | ronny | CrazyGir: thanks, how does one google for that one, it completely failed with my keywords |
| 09:49.20 | CrazyGir | I gave up on google a long while ago |
| 09:49.30 | CrazyGir | duck duck go is my friend :) |
| 09:49.37 | nvz | ronny: yeah well CrazyGir is currently facing package breakage after attempting this feat.. |
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| 09:49.54 | CrazyGir | nvz: worked flawlessly for me the first time |
| 09:50.02 | Ragnar | Hi guys, has any of you seen this problem with xen? http://pastebin.com/wjtABuVp |
| 09:50.05 | CrazyGir | and it was easy, like it should be |
| 09:50.29 | CrazyGir | scx: should I update my sources.list before this upgrade? |
| 09:50.30 | nvz | hah.. never heard of duck duck go.. |
| 09:50.45 | CrazyGir | duckduckgo.com / donttrack.us |
| 09:50.52 | CrazyGir | it's fantastic stuff |
| 09:51.09 | CrazyGir | especially if you use *nix, admin, research, or code |
| 09:51.58 | CrazyGir | checkit: !yt ows will search you tube for ows videos |
| 09:52.03 | nvz | seems rather impressive at first glance.. does a lot of what google does slightly differently |
| 09:52.16 | CrazyGir | it's like completely different |
| 09:52.28 | nvz | yeah in chrome you can make those !bangs whatever you want |
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| 09:52.33 | CrazyGir | the idea is to leverage the power of a site's own search over their own data |
| 09:53.17 | CrazyGir | anyway.. back to apt |
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| 09:53.28 | CrazyGir | except scx has disappeared |
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| 09:53.52 | nvz | and ompaul is sick and awol apparently :-P |
| 09:53.52 | scx | CrazyGir: change your source.list: |
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| 09:53.53 | scx | http://wklej.org/hash/5d7dbd52be2/txt/ |
| 09:53.59 | scx | then apt-get update |
| 09:54.07 | scx | then apt-get -f install |
| 09:54.21 | CrazyGir | ah, I see |
| 09:54.21 | Zap-W | where can I read about lenny and squeze changes, especially about kernel changes |
| 09:54.29 | Zap-W | like graphics being handle in the kernel |
| 09:54.51 | nvz | scx: damn that was a good catch I missed that |
| 09:55.00 | nvz | even after you said it |
| 09:55.01 | nvz | heh |
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| 09:55.38 | phogg | Zap-W: probably in the kernel package changelog |
| 09:55.46 | CrazyGir | I only added the back ports and mozilla to sources.list, the others you added were missing from the install |
| 09:56.14 | CrazyGir | it's a bit interesting how many variations you can make on the install |
| 09:56.37 | CrazyGir | I'm used to openbsd where you basically get the same thing every time, so few knobs |
| 09:56.46 | CrazyGir | but then you're left with something in a known state |
| 09:56.55 | nvz | my only issue with that is that libcario and xulrunner and all firefox related stuff that seemed to be the problem is all main anyhow |
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| 09:58.55 | nvz | yeah I noticed that even when I tried freebsd.. their kernel config was basically do you have a keyboard? ok.. we're compiling now |
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| 09:59.02 | nvz | there were like no settings at all |
| 09:59.10 | nvz | heh |
| 09:59.29 | scx | ronny: you can use testing/unstable/experimental repo if you use apt-pinning |
| 09:59.44 | nvz | not to mention the installer has no logical end point it reaches so if you dont know when its done and to reboot you'll install over and over again in a rinse, lather, repeat fashion |
| 10:00.37 | CrazyGir | openbsd's is very clear |
| 10:00.45 | spi | Does Debian Squeeze netinst works differently on different hardware? |
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| 10:01.18 | nvz | spi: within the same architecture? different how? |
| 10:01.20 | phogg | spi: anything might work differently on different hardware |
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| 10:01.36 | nvz | it will load different drivers obviously |
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| 10:02.16 | phogg | or not load drivers perhaps (e.g. requiring non-free firmware) |
| 10:02.43 | nvz | touche.. |
| 10:02.49 | CrazyGir | hah. |
| 10:02.56 | scx | ronny: sources.list: http://wklej.org/hash/1d1af243f20/txt/ |
| 10:03.06 | nvz | which is pittsburghese for too lazy to type an accent on a US keyboard |
| 10:03.11 | scx | ronny: preferences: http://wklej.org/hash/341cbb4da9c/txt/ |
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| 10:03.29 | CrazyGir | scx: so I updated sources.list, updated the cache, and ran iceweasel install |
| 10:03.43 | CrazyGir | a bunch of things were removed, basically all of x |
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| 10:04.03 | phogg | CrazyGir: probably don't want to actually let it do things like that |
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| 10:04.26 | CrazyGir | why the hell does apt offer these suggestions? |
| 10:04.28 | scx | CrazyGir: why did you agree to remove X? |
| 10:04.35 | CrazyGir | indeed |
| 10:04.57 | CrazyGir | it'll be cleaner to reinstall |
| 10:04.59 | nvz | CrazyGir: I've done that once.. and hurried up and installed it all back before i closed any programs |
| 10:05.10 | CrazyGir | nvz: hah |
| 10:05.14 | scx | CrazyGir: because Debian have a "mess" with metapackages |
| 10:05.17 | phogg | CrazyGir: because the package version you're installing is in conflict with something X requires, so it tries to satisfy your request |
| 10:05.17 | CrazyGir | there's nothing really running on it |
| 10:05.22 | spi | For example, after you have it installed, you try to boot linux os upon startup, the black flashing screen appears. |
| 10:06.03 | nvz | CrazyGir: in other werds we call that user error, replace user and bang head off keyboard to continue |
| 10:06.08 | CrazyGir | phogg: that's fine, except that it pulls the rug (X) out from under itself (iceweasel) |
| 10:06.13 | CrazyGir | hah |
| 10:06.14 | scx | you should be very careful when you upgrade system |
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| 10:06.18 | nvz | !pebcak |
| 10:06.19 | dpkg | i heard pebcak is Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard |
| 10:06.21 | phogg | CrazyGir: the thing to do is identify the package(s) which cause the conflict and tell it to resolve it somehow. Perhaps upgrading one extra package is enough. Perhaps turning off recommends is enough. |
| 10:06.35 | CrazyGir | mmmm |
| 10:06.52 | CrazyGir | the odd thing though: now it won't actually add X back |
| 10:07.02 | phogg | CrazyGir: does it say why? |
| 10:07.10 | CrazyGir | apt says it'll install foo and bar, but doesn't |
| 10:07.13 | scx | CrazyGir: do you have gdm? |
| 10:07.19 | scx | apt-cache policy gdm3 |
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| 10:07.59 | nvz | can't install FUBAR when you already got SNAFU |
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| 10:08.12 | scx | gdm*, without 3 |
| 10:08.13 | ksuhku | \o/ |
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| 10:08.26 | phogg | well, I'm off. Good luck CrazyGir. |
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| 10:08.43 | scx | or check both: |
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| 10:08.55 | scx | CrazyGir: apt-cache policy gdm gdm3 |
| 10:09.15 | CrazyGir | phogg: it didn't, but I'm choosing differently now and winning |
| 10:09.36 | CrazyGir | scx: how do you mean? |
| 10:09.51 | scx | CrazyGir: tell us what this command say: apt-cache policy gdm gdm3 xorg |
| 10:10.16 | CrazyGir | nods |
| 10:11.10 | CrazyGir | scx: just finished installing x, so it notes: Installed: 1:7.5+8+squeeze1 no gdm or gdm3 |
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| 10:13.23 | scx | CrazyGir: so install gdm or gdm3 |
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| 10:15.02 | ksuhku | he might use kdm or xdm too or just nothing at all |
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| 10:15.29 | scx | ksuhku: but she probably want to use *dm |
| 10:15.59 | scx | CrazyGir: when you done, check: apt-cache policy iceweasel |
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| 10:16.45 | scx | CrazyGir: BTW: what version of iceweasel/firefox you want? |
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| 10:18.51 | CrazyGir | scx: release |
| 10:19.40 | CrazyGir | this is looking better :) Installed: 9.0.1-1~bpo60+1 |
| 10:19.48 | CrazyGir | scx: libreoffice is coming along now too |
| 10:20.16 | CrazyGir | hand hold through a few upgrades |
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| 10:21.58 | paul | guys, hi :) does anyone know free nvidia 8600 something driver for squeeze ? games don't work too good :) |
| 10:22.57 | somiaj | paul: I'd just use the legacy nvidia drivers. You could try nouveau but its 3d support is fairly poor |
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| 10:24.29 | scx | paul: if you want run games you should install non-free binary driver |
| 10:24.58 | paul | non-free is not affordable :) |
| 10:25.23 | ksuhku | so find games which dont need such |
| 10:25.23 | paul | somiaj, what are legacy drivers? |
| 10:25.48 | paul | it's not fair, I mean it worked on Ubuntu just fine :) |
| 10:26.39 | scx | paul: nvidia-alternative-legacy-173xx, nvidia-alternative-legacy-96xx, nvidia-alternative-legacy-71xx, etc |
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| 10:27.23 | scx | paul: what works on ubuntu fine? |
| 10:27.36 | somiaj | paul: non-free doen't mean 'pay' it means they dont' compile with the DFSG |
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| 10:27.54 | DaNoob | when i complile program can i delete that instalation folder? |
| 10:28.02 | DaNoob | *compile |
| 10:28.03 | paul | scx, Unreal Tornament and Q3 and SeconLife client |
| 10:28.14 | scx | nvidia binary driver? legacy? nouveau |
| 10:28.22 | paul | somiaj, oooh :) so that's what it means.. where can I read about it? |
| 10:28.38 | scx | paul: what driver did you use on ubuntu? |
| 10:28.54 | paul | scx, no idea. it worked from the start |
| 10:29.00 | unkmar | paul: you were likely using the non-free driver. |
| 10:29.18 | scx | paul: so you probably used non-free binary driver |
| 10:29.25 | scx | paul: install it on debian |
| 10:29.26 | unkmar | paul: from the start? or after you installed the *restricted drivers? |
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| 10:29.45 | somiaj | paul: acutlaly just use the nvidia packages, seems the 8600 is newenough you don't need the legacy drivers |
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| 10:30.00 | scx | paul: apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nvidia |
| 10:30.10 | somiaj | paul: add the non-free repo and install nvidia-kernel-dkms and nvidia-glx |
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| 10:31.03 | paul | unkmar, can't remember I did :) |
| 10:31.17 | ksuhku | paul, here you can read about it http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html |
| 10:31.23 | paul | scx, somiaj, which one I should do? :) |
| 10:32.05 | scx | open synaptic, choose settings->repos |
| 10:32.16 | scx | check non-free repo |
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| 10:32.24 | scx | update (Reload) |
| 10:33.10 | scx | then install xserver-xorg-video-nvidia and nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 10:33.18 | scx | paul: ^^ |
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| 10:33.50 | paul | scx, I don't have non-free there :) what's the line to add? |
| 10:35.05 | scx | paul: add non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list near "main" |
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| 10:38.28 | paul | scx, xserver-xorg-video-nvidia give me nouveau-dbg, nouveau and nv, which do I choose? |
| 10:38.35 | paul | *giveS |
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| 10:39.07 | paul | oh, wait. last two are installed |
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| 10:41.07 | scx | paul: apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-nvidia |
| 10:41.20 | scx | paul: apt-cache policy nvidia-config |
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| 10:42.19 | scx | BTW: did you reoload package list (apt-get update)? |
| 10:42.33 | paul | yep |
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| 10:42.43 | paul | N: Unable to locate package xserver-xorg-video-nvidia |
| 10:43.13 | scx | paul: what version of debian do you have? |
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| 10:44.14 | gorizza | I've messed up my gnome-terminal, probably by editing /etc/bash.bashrc or messing around with ~.dircolors . I tried removing gnome-terminal to get those files back, but it seems they remain. Anybody know how I can get the default files back? |
| 10:44.38 | gorizza | forgot to make backups |
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| 10:44.55 | scx | paul: show us you /etc/sources.list |
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| 10:47.21 | unkmar | My unaltered /etc/bash.bashrc on squeeze: http://pastebin.com/7puw34Jw |
| 10:48.06 | project2501a | yo quero mi equila |
| 10:48.09 | gorizza | unkmar: thanks |
| 10:48.23 | unkmar | gorizza: ~/.dircolors would be in your home folder so you could just rename it. |
| 10:49.03 | gorizza | unkmar: Do you have ~/.dircolors file? I removed mine |
| 10:49.29 | unkmar | gorizza: nope. |
| 10:49.51 | unkmar | gorizza: I avoid using gnome-terminal. but that is just my preference. |
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| 10:51.18 | aguitel | is anyway to install firefox in debian testing ? |
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| 10:52.42 | nkuttler | aguitel: aptitude install iceweasel |
| 10:52.44 | chalcedony | my sound vanished. i have debian squeeze and it was working previously, now youtube isn't making any noise? |
| 10:53.11 | aguitel | nkuttler, not iceweasel |
| 10:53.27 | nkuttler | aguitel: same thing |
| 10:53.52 | aguitel | nkuttler, realy ? |
| 10:54.01 | scx | aguitel: why not iceweasel? |
| 10:54.02 | nkuttler | !tell aguitel about firefox |
| 10:54.05 | chalcedony | aguitel, it is |
| 10:54.42 | paul | scx, I've got squeeze |
| 10:54.59 | scx | aguitel: check this: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 10:55.12 | aguitel | scx, ok |
| 10:55.36 | scx | version release ~= 9.x |
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| 10:56.25 | scx | paul: what about sources.list? |
| 10:56.50 | scx | paste it on pastebin and tell us url |
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| 10:57.14 | paul | scx, ok, sec |
| 10:58.21 | chalcedony | is sound vanishing a normal problem? |
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| 10:58.59 | po_taka | how unstable is the unstable ? |
| 10:59.13 | nkuttler | po_taka: very |
| 10:59.16 | scx | po_taka: it isnt really unstable |
| 10:59.22 | po_taka | pff tnx :) |
| 10:59.31 | po_taka | lol |
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| 10:59.34 | scx | but there are problems with upgrading system |
| 10:59.50 | paul | scx, I don't see it in /etc :) |
| 10:59.51 | po_taka | 1 say its realy unstable and other its not so unstable |
| 11:00.05 | scx | paul: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:00.51 | scx | po_taka: it isnt unstable, it is buggy (have many bugs) and there are problems with upgrading system |
| 11:00.54 | nkuttler | po_taka: it will break and possibly eat your data. also "unstable" by itself doesn't really mean anything |
| 11:01.51 | paul | scx, http://pastebin.com/vWBtYfkJ |
| 11:01.57 | po_taka | k tnx :) |
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| 11:06.34 | scx | paul: first of all, change /etc/apt/sources.list with this: |
| 11:06.35 | scx | http://wklej.org/hash/27266308c6d/txt/ |
| 11:06.54 | scx | then run (from root): apt-get update |
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| 11:08.30 | scx | then run (froom root): apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 11:08.35 | scx | paul: ^^ |
| 11:09.52 | paul | scx, ok, I'll hit u up when done |
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| 11:12.20 | PerfDave | po_taka: Unstable is unstable because it constantly changing, and there is no real testing of the constantly-changing software before it hits your system. |
| 11:12.51 | cHarNe2 | getting an error while trying to update: http://pastie.org/3078866 (new system) |
| 11:12.55 | PerfDave | po_taka: sid may not completely break very often, but you should probably be pretty familiar with Debian packaging, backporting, bug tracking etc. before you run anything other than stable. |
| 11:13.17 | lstarnes | cHarNe2: it's just apt-get update |
| 11:13.26 | lstarnes | cHarNe2: followed bu apt-get upgrade |
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| 11:18.16 | onryo | what version of Linux is found in sid atm? |
| 11:18.29 | nkuttler | !tell onryo about pdo |
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| 11:19.08 | cHarNe2 | lstarnes: im not sure i understand what you meant, should i run an upgrade instead? |
| 11:19.13 | onryo | nkuttler that was the first place I looked http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=sid§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=linux+l |
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| 11:19.30 | nkuttler | judd: kernels |
| 11:19.31 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.6-1); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.5-1); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 11:19.37 | lstarnes | cHarNe2: you are trying to update all of your packages, right? |
| 11:19.37 | paul | scx, okay, all semmed to went well |
| 11:19.43 | onryo | nkuttler ahh thx |
| 11:19.45 | cHarNe2 | lstarnes: yes |
| 11:19.58 | lstarnes | cHarNe2: then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 11:20.05 | cHarNe2 | ok, tyvm |
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| 11:21.14 | chalcedony | http://pastebin.com/nStQQnR2 i see what i think is the problem, not sure what to do? |
| 11:22.04 | paul | scx, what now? |
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| 11:22.10 | chalcedony | wb paul |
| 11:22.28 | paul | chalcedony, thx :) |
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| 11:27.47 | babilen | !tell paul -about nvidia dkms |
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| 11:28.18 | kuznetzvo | dkms is nice. |
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| 11:30.31 | ix_ | hello, I've just deleted my partition table, any ideas on how to get it back? |
| 11:30.39 | ix_ | I'm trying gpart right now |
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| 11:32.25 | ompaul | ix_: if you know the blocks addresses you can do that with great certainty |
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| 11:32.26 | unkmar | ix_: take a look at testdisk |
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| 11:32.39 | ompaul | and what he said |
| 11:32.48 | ix_ | I know the exact size |
| 11:32.58 | ix_ | well, at least what I put in the installer |
| 11:33.03 | ix_ | or gparted |
| 11:33.14 | ix_ | yeah, I think I made them in gparted |
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| 11:33.51 | burhan | is supervisord supported with debian squeeze? |
| 11:34.34 | PerfDave | "supported" in what sense? |
| 11:34.45 | burhan | I mean, will anything break if I start using it. |
| 11:35.03 | burhan | trying to find a way to manage uwsgi processes |
| 11:35.03 | PerfDave | Dunno, never heard of it. |
| 11:35.09 | PerfDave | If it's packaged for Debian, probably not. |
| 11:35.17 | ompaul | first time ever heard of it |
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| 11:37.50 | burhan | http://supervisord.org/ |
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| 11:39.33 | burhan | its like upstart - basically init daemon |
| 11:40.49 | PerfDave | Never heard of it or upstart. |
| 11:40.57 | PerfDave | Is it packaged for Debian? |
| 11:41.11 | PerfDave | Hmm, it says it's not supposed to be a replacement for init |
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| 11:41.44 | cHarNe2 | im trying to install emacs, but apt-get wants me to instert a cd, why? |
| 11:41.58 | PerfDave | cHarNe2: Because your sources.list tells it that the CD is the best place to get the package? |
| 11:42.10 | cHarNe2 | PerfDave: ohh |
| 11:42.22 | cHarNe2 | :P then ill try fix that, thanks |
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| 12:01.25 | scx_ | hello |
| 12:02.22 | chalcedony | hi scx_ |
| 12:02.44 | scx_ | can you show me: apt-cache policy resolvconf isc-dhcp-client dhcp3-client? |
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| 12:05.59 | scx_ | i want to have resolv.conf auto-updated from dhcp; how to do that? |
| 12:06.08 | scx_ | which packages i should install? |
| 12:06.14 | ham5 | pretty sure thst default |
| 12:06.15 | burhan | what's the equivalent for a2ensite when nginx is installed? |
| 12:06.30 | saati | hi, how do i disable ALL the fancy bash autocomplete (everything apart from filenames) |
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| 12:06.48 | scx_ | ham5: but it doesnt work for me after upgrade :-/ |
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| 12:07.10 | burhan | scx_: if your DHCP host isn't advertising routes, then that's different (although improbable) |
| 12:07.26 | scx_ | ham5: /etc/resol.conf link to file /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf, which not exist |
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| 12:08.22 | ham5 | no idea then scx, suggest running squeeze |
| 12:08.34 | scx_ | ham5: can you show me?: |
| 12:08.47 | scx_ | dpkg -S 'resolv.conf' |
| 12:08.47 | dpkg | There is no record of a 'resolv.conf' package |
| 12:08.49 | saati | nevermind |
| 12:09.00 | ham5 | saati your completion file is at /etc/bash_completion good luck ;) |
| 12:09.12 | saati | ham5: i commented out it from the bashrc |
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| 12:10.42 | saati | and now i have a sane 'set', awesome |
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| 12:19.07 | jkprg | Hi. I want to modify linux-image-2.6 package (add an additional patch). What's the best way to do it? I assume I need to create a new package. How to name (including version) the package? I also want to protect the package it won't be updated by any standard distribution packages but only by my branch of packages. Thx |
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| 12:19.50 | ix_ | ok, my partition table was easily restored with testdisk |
| 12:20.13 | ix_ | thank you |
| 12:20.32 | unkmar | ix_: you are welcome |
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| 12:26.43 | tux0 | how do you rebuild /var/lib/dpkg/available ? |
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| 12:27.06 | ham5 | why? |
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| 12:27.35 | tux0 | nevermind dpkg(1) explains it |
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| 12:30.54 | isnnnn | does debian block outgoing traffic to port 25 and 587 (smtp) by default? |
| 12:31.42 | ham5 | no |
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| 12:31.54 | tawtaw_ | hey guys, could somebody explain to me how i can run a specific program over a specific soundcard? |
| 12:32.10 | ham5 | programs dont run on soundcards |
| 12:32.29 | isnnnn | with a default install I cant seem to connect with any mailservers |
| 12:32.40 | isnnnn | no iptables rules on the system as far as I can see |
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| 12:33.08 | aways | isnnnn, when you try to connect on smtp your local port isn't the 25 |
| 12:33.09 | aways | ... |
| 12:33.31 | isnnnn | no an external smtp server, sorry :) |
| 12:33.43 | aways | yes |
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| 12:34.11 | aways | Dest port is 25 but src port is > 1024 |
| 12:34.14 | isnnnn | for example smtp.gmail.com on port 587 |
| 12:34.24 | aways | yes your local port is dynamicly |
| 12:34.27 | aways | and > 1024 |
| 12:34.32 | isnnnn | it works for all my machines in this network, except the debian one |
| 12:34.53 | aways | telnet smtp.gmail.com 587 |
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| 12:35.16 | isnnnn | that gives a connection timeout |
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| 12:51.05 | PhoenixSTF | hey guys |
| 12:51.22 | PhoenixSTF | is there any way to make a pxe server install that uses the isos? |
| 12:52.12 | unkmar | PhoenixSTF: I did that once under lenny with limited success. |
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| 12:52.36 | unkmar | It worked in some cases. |
| 12:52.58 | PhoenixSTF | unkmar, directly from ISO file? |
| 12:54.27 | unkmar | PhoenixSTF: yes. In those cases that it did work, Requires loading the entire iso into RAM. Puts a large RAM requirement on the target PC. |
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| 12:55.52 | PhoenixSTF | unkmar, hmm thats not good for low mem pc's, is it better to mount the iso has a cd and do it normaly? |
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| 12:58.57 | unkmar | PhoenixSTF: the problem is that you have to load the iso into ram in because you can't just read the drive whenever you want. and then most linux ISO's also want to partially decompress into RAM. and it is because loop loading is required. That tends to put a requirement over 2Gig. |
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| 12:59.51 | unkmar | PhoenixSTF: I meant to say a requirement over 1 Gig and near 2. |
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| 13:02.41 | unkmar | PhoenixSTF: not only is all that fancy stuff required. You tend to lose the boot menu. Sure, you can load and see it and then none of the booting works. |
| 13:03.32 | unkmar | Its a catch22. booting from an ISO requires building out the PXE menu for each of the options you want from each ISO. well, apart from the discs that don't work. Like windows. |
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| 13:07.52 | paul | babilen, I'm sorry, are these the commands I need to execute to turn on my new driver? |
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| 13:08.47 | ham5 | turn on a driver?.. good one |
| 13:09.40 | unkmar | I turn on my driver everytime he crosses me. |
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| 13:10.07 | ham5 | I dont turn on drivers, only your mom |
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| 13:10.59 | babilen | paul: The nvidia dkms factoid contains information on how to install (aptitude -r ...) and configure (mkdir ... && echo ...) the nvidia driver. |
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| 13:21.18 | paul | babilen, this:? http://pastebin.com/gW5eJ0VN |
| 13:22.05 | babilen | paul: Exactly |
| 13:22.37 | babilen | paul: Which GPU do you have? Which version of Debian do you use? Which kernel version are you running currently? |
| 13:23.46 | paul | babilen, squeeze, what is GPU? and don't know kernel version :) |
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| 13:24.04 | unkmar | paul: Graphics Processing Unit. Graphics chip. |
| 13:24.12 | paul | ooh |
| 13:24.23 | paul | geforce 8600 or 8700 or smth |
| 13:24.31 | paul | don't remember |
| 13:24.34 | babilen | paul: "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" should answer that. |
| 13:24.58 | babilen | paul: Also "cat /etc/debian_version" and "uname -r" |
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| 13:25.04 | paul | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation G84 [GeForce 8600 GT] [10de:0402] (rev a1) |
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| 13:25.41 | paul | 6.0.3 and 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 13:26.47 | babilen | paul: Ok, the nvidia driver version in squeeze (the Debian release you are using) support your GPU -- dpkg's instructions should be all you need. Do you require additional help or explanations? |
| 13:27.13 | home | babilen: islam |
| 13:27.23 | paul | babilen, not now, thanks a lot, I'll try it out ASAP |
| 13:27.30 | paul | thanks, everybody |
| 13:27.46 | babilen | paul: Just ping if something is unclear. Have fun! |
| 13:28.23 | unkmar | he said 8600 GT. I'm running 6600 GT. Guess my laptop is kinda old. |
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| 13:28.32 | babilen | home: I don't quite follow - Do you need help with Debian? |
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| 13:33.25 | Sgt_Lemming | anyone awake? |
| 13:33.38 | unkmar | nope, we all sleep all the time. |
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| 13:34.30 | Sgt_Lemming | weird issue I have atm, "Shutdown -P" doesn't work on my 6.0.3 fresh net install... |
| 13:34.39 | Sgt_Lemming | fails with an "invalid argument" |
| 13:34.55 | cHarNe2 | what is the -P suppose to do? |
| 13:35.00 | Sgt_Lemming | power off |
| 13:35.10 | cHarNe2 | i use halt |
| 13:35.32 | cHarNe2 | some say they are different, but i dont know |
| 13:35.43 | Sgt_Lemming | halt doesn't always turn the machine off |
| 13:36.12 | icarious | Sgt_Lemming: halt -p |
| 13:36.13 | babilen | Sgt_Lemming: You are looking for "shutdown -h now" or "halt" |
| 13:36.16 | icarious | for power off |
| 13:36.31 | babilen | Sgt_Lemming: Please read "man shutdown" to learn what "-P" does |
| 13:36.40 | icarious | init 0 works too |
| 13:36.53 | Sgt_Lemming | babilen, it's worked on the same machine on a previous install |
| 13:37.12 | Sgt_Lemming | reinstalled after playing with some things, Shutdown -P no longer works |
| 13:37.25 | icarious | Sgt_Lemming: halt -p / init 0 |
| 13:38.16 | icarious | halt or init has fewer keystrokes than "shutdown" anyways :P |
| 13:38.30 | Sgt_Lemming | trying to understand why this isn't working more than anything |
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| 13:39.11 | Sgt_Lemming | it's listed as a valid argument in the list of arguments after it says "invalid argument"... |
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| 13:40.50 | Sgt_Lemming | "-P Halt action is to turn off the power." |
| 13:40.54 | Sgt_Lemming | http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?shutdown+8 |
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| 13:44.41 | Jim91 | What is the best way to autostart an application at boot on squeeze? |
| 13:45.49 | vtts | Jim91, an init script |
| 13:45.50 | abrotman | boot of X or CLI ? |
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| 13:46.24 | shelL0x | hi |
| 13:46.26 | abrotman | !tell Jim91 about run at startup |
| 13:48.16 | shelL0x | i hope zou can help me, i trz to install debian squeeze on raid, but it does't work. It shows the 2 mapper for the raid 1's(Have 2 raid 1, 4 disks). I create the partitions, it starts with writing data to disk and abort |
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| 13:48.26 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 13:48.29 | Bartzy | Metacity or compiz ? :p |
| 13:48.29 | shelL0x | 'operation not permitted' |
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| 13:48.41 | Bartzy | for a laptop (new one, intel GPU chip inside the CPU) |
| 13:48.55 | shelL0x | here is my output of lspci -v https://gist.github.com/d460221434c91e20e96e |
| 13:49.11 | shelL0x | it is a bit weird :/ |
| 13:50.02 | vtts | shelL0x, is the size correct? |
| 13:50.04 | abrotman | during install? is it a VPS? |
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| 13:50.14 | shelL0x | abrotman: no, a real machine |
| 13:50.20 | abrotman | Bartzy: if you're not using the features of compiz, why use it? |
| 13:50.29 | shelL0x | vtts: yep |
| 13:50.32 | abrotman | shelL0x: as root? |
| 13:50.45 | shelL0x | abrotman: sure |
| 13:50.58 | shelL0x | it's the installation manager |
| 13:51.03 | shelL0x | of debian squeeze |
| 13:51.10 | shelL0x | so i assume that it run as root |
| 13:52.33 | shelL0x | ahci isn't on the list of supported RAID controllers, or_ |
| 13:53.09 | abrotman | did you try the install without mdraid ? |
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| 13:53.24 | Bartzy | abrotman: Cause the slowness of the alt+tab when compositing is enabled in metacity is killing me.. |
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| 13:53.48 | abrotman | Bartzy: even if you turn the preview off ? |
| 13:54.05 | Bartzy | abrotman: I don't know how to turn the preview off |
| 13:54.36 | shelL0x | abrotman: dunno, I used the default installation routine |
| 13:54.39 | abrotman | oh, didn't find it .. and i have zero interest in trying to install gnome2 on this netbook an hour before i leave for a flight :) |
| 13:54.40 | vtts | shelL0x, you mention that you have created the partitions, so controller is supported then, isn't it? |
| 13:54.57 | Bartzy | abrotman: Disabling compositing turn the preview off.. but it turns off the window shadows and other stuff that I want |
| 13:55.19 | abrotman | Bartzy: okay, uhm, try openbox or something instead .. |
| 13:55.44 | shelL0x | vtts: i created it on ubuntu with a live cd. gparted haven't shown it as hardware raid first and showed just 4 disks. I installed kpartx then and saw the 2 mapper. |
| 13:55.57 | shelL0x | it showed 2 mapper in the debian installation and 4 disks |
| 13:56.24 | shelL0x | Why do this happen? shouldn't it just show the 2 hardware raids and not the seperate disks_ |
| 13:56.34 | abrotman | hardware raid? with what controller? |
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| 13:56.54 | vtts | shelL0x, so that is a fake-raid, not a normal controller then |
| 13:57.01 | Bartzy | abrotman: Why not compiz ? |
| 13:57.41 | abrotman | okay then |
| 13:58.03 | shelL0x | vtts: lspci says: Intel Corporation 82801 SATA RAID Controller |
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| 13:58.18 | vtts | yeah... fake raid |
| 13:59.06 | abrotman | shelL0x: so if it's fakeraid, you can try to use dmraid or mdraid .. but using hte controller raid is useless |
| 13:59.06 | vtts | shelL0x, try this: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid |
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| 13:59.49 | shelL0x | I never heard of fake raid before :P |
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| 14:00.42 | abrotman | !fakeraid |
| 14:00.43 | dpkg | Fakeraid is a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS. For use with Debian systems, it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID instead; ask me about <md>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid |
| 14:00.58 | abrotman | shelL0x: think of it like a winmodem .. host-assisted hardware |
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| 14:02.16 | shelL0x | abrotman: so short, a fake raid is bullshit :P |
| 14:02.29 | abrotman | short? |
| 14:02.35 | shelL0x | in sum |
| 14:03.12 | abrotman | yes,fakeraid is bullshit .. but most users don't care .. if people want hardware RAID, they generally know what they're really looking for |
| 14:03.28 | mjt | it is raid, what's the matter? :) |
| 14:03.31 | shelL0x | abrotman: so the best way would be to delete this "fake-raid" then and use a normal software raid |
| 14:03.40 | mjt | how it is done is a different question, as long as it works |
| 14:03.41 | abrotman | shelL0x: is it the only OS on the system ? |
| 14:04.07 | abrotman | mjt: just that if you're thinking that the fakeraid on your mobo is going to worki .. it's not |
| 14:04.10 | mjt | but yes, if it is the only OS on the PC it is better to use native version |
| 14:04.24 | shelL0x | not atm, I have one raid 1 with win server 2k8 and one raid 1 should get a debian installation |
| 14:04.41 | shelL0x | it's for testing purposes first |
| 14:05.03 | mjt | abrotman: it doesnt work on linux due to lack of drivers, but it works as jbod and dmraid |
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| 14:05.28 | mjt | btw, win has its own softraid nowadays |
| 14:05.29 | abrotman | mjt: right, but i feel like there's little interest in the drivers because mdraid works so well |
| 14:05.34 | mjt | sure |
| 14:06.05 | mjt | i wonder how many times the win drivers will send data over the PCI[e] bus to write to 2-way mirror ;) |
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| 14:07.05 | shelL0x | abrotman: I just wondered whats the problem. I installed Windows Server 2008 R2 before and it detected the RAID. I guess the driver are included in the default installation. |
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| 14:08.26 | mjt | i don't see a problem in win having these drivers built-in ;) |
| 14:09.03 | abrotman | shelL0x: Windows is not Debian .. |
| 14:09.03 | mjt | besides, isn't debian installer able to detect and configure this sort of raid automatically? |
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| 14:09.57 | diegoviola | hi |
| 14:10.21 | diegoviola | if somebody deleted /boot, is there a way i could chroot and re-isntall grub and the kernel to make the system bootable again? |
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| 14:10.37 | shelL0x | abrotman: well, no it isn't. I just thought it is a real RAID ;) |
| 14:10.44 | sc30317 | what kind of network share should I use for my NAS box? I have a windows XP, 2 macbook pros (one snow leopard, one lion), a desktop running ubuntu / win7, and 2 android phones running 2.3 connecting to it. What kind of network share should I set up so that all of these devices can read it? |
| 14:10.44 | mjt | sure diegoviola, you'll need to reinstall kernel at least |
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| 14:11.06 | diegoviola | mjt: what is the kernel package? |
| 14:11.23 | mjt | diegoviola: in chroot, dpkg -l | grep linux-image |
| 14:11.30 | diegoviola | mjt: thank you |
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| 14:11.39 | mjt | diegoviola: you may also see it in /var/lib/dpkg/status (which dpkg does) |
| 14:11.51 | mjt | diegoviola: later, see update-initramfs |
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| 14:12.14 | dr-evil | sc30317, android phones? nfsv3 should be able everyone to use |
| 14:12.26 | diegoviola | mjt: thanks |
| 14:12.27 | sc30317 | oh, and a touchapd |
| 14:12.33 | sc30317 | nfsv3? |
| 14:12.36 | dr-evil | yep |
| 14:12.48 | mjt | dr-evil: winxp with nfs? That needs some add-on software |
| 14:12.50 | sc30317 | I don't know if I should trust someone named "dr-evil" :p |
| 14:13.15 | sc30317 | mjt, that box takes low priority, and I could always add on some software if necessary |
| 14:13.18 | dr-evil | mjt, any other option? I don't know that |
| 14:13.41 | dr-evil | sc30317, 1st good comment about my nickname:) |
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| 14:13.44 | mjt | dr-evil: everything should be able to use windows shares (samba) |
| 14:13.49 | sc30317 | haha thanks dr-evil |
| 14:13.54 | dr-evil | mjt, even android ? |
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| 14:14.06 | tux0 | sc30317 openafs, nfs, samba, ssh/sftp/scp |
| 14:14.11 | dr-evil | and i know nothing about mac |
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| 14:14.31 | mjt | i don't _know_ about android, but it's linux-based and linux is definitely able to mount/use smb shares |
| 14:14.32 | sc30317 | tux0, thats a lot of choices |
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| 14:14.41 | sc30317 | I know you can mount smb shares in Android |
| 14:14.58 | muzone | Why can't I wget -r -A pdf,doc http://www.fabricly.com? https://gist.github.com/1519382 - it doesn't make any difference if I add HTML to the list. Running the same command on other sites though usually yields tons of PDFs and DOCs. |
| 14:15.07 | abrotman | mjt: i think it doesn't work if you've already presented it as a RAID dvice .. not sure |
| 14:15.07 | mjt | besides, it is possible to set up more than one way to share files on the "server" box |
| 14:15.21 | abrotman | muzone: which version of wget is it? |
| 14:15.23 | mjt | abrotman: don't tell anyone that I'm in d-i team :) |
| 14:15.40 | abrotman | mjt: i already knew that .. but okay! |
| 14:15.41 | abrotman | :) |
| 14:15.49 | muzone | abrotman: 1.13.4 |
| 14:15.51 | dr-evil | unixway :) |
| 14:15.55 | muzone | abrotman: why? |
| 14:15.58 | abrotman | judd: versions wget |
| 14:16.00 | judd | Package: wget on i386 -- lenny: 1.11.4-2+lenny2; lenny-security: 1.11.4-2+lenny2; squeeze: 1.12-2.1; sid: 1.13.4-1; wheezy: 1.13.4-1 |
| 14:16.07 | tux0 | mjt the installer works nicely :) |
| 14:16.19 | abrotman | muzone: did you check the BTS? it might be a bug ? |
| 14:17.17 | dr-evil | anyone have expirience with kerberized nfs with openldap ? |
| 14:17.21 | dr-evil | nfsv4 |
| 14:18.06 | sc30317 | dr-evil, cool |
| 14:18.14 | innociv | is there a way that I can restrict the file sizes uploaded with sftp? |
| 14:18.17 | innociv | And file types. |
| 14:18.25 | dr-evil | sc30317, what is cool ? |
| 14:18.36 | sc30317 | i'll try nfsv4 |
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| 14:19.14 | dr-evil | sc30317, no man, just call your girlfriend :) u don't want such kind of sex :D |
| 14:19.40 | sc30317 | dr-evil, I feel like you are quoting a movie line or something, just can't pick it up |
| 14:20.06 | mjt | sc30317: dr-evil asked a question not related to your questioin about file sharing ;) |
| 14:20.18 | mjt | heh |
| 14:20.22 | dr-evil | mjt, thanks ) |
| 14:20.49 | dr-evil | russian to english to russian translating sometimes hurt my mind ;) |
| 14:21.22 | mjt | sc30317: besides, he's most likely russian, and here in ru we sometimes are having sex with computers -- it's a slang term to mean doing something very hard. But it's offtopic in debian for sure ;) |
| 14:21.23 | sc30317 | ahh gotcha |
| 14:21.35 | sc30317 | makes more sense |
| 14:21.42 | sc30317 | in soviet russia, computer fucks you? |
| 14:22.01 | sc30317 | (sorry if there is a language rule on this channel, didn't even think about it) |
| 14:22.04 | shelL0x | in soviet russia, vodka own you |
| 14:22.24 | mjt | please direct further discussion about this to #debian-offtopic. Thank you. |
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| 14:25.04 | dr-evil | so? noone use kerberized nfs? |
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| 14:28.35 | abrotman | muzone: turn that off |
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| 14:29.34 | unkmar | and I agree, that thing is annoying. |
| 14:29.50 | acu | Why is Search Files in GNOME3 (Wheezy) does not work ? |
| 14:29.54 | muzone | will do |
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| 14:29.58 | muzone | wait lemme see if it works |
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| 14:30.17 | muzone | is now playing: Muzone - Rattlesnake Bitches (http://home.no/dwaynie/rattlesnake_bitches.mp3) |
| 14:30.25 | muzone | damn |
| 14:30.32 | abrotman | muzone: one more try |
| 14:31.14 | muzone | abrotman: id rather not =) |
| 14:32.50 | m8 | /etc/rc.local/ does'n works in debian6? |
| 14:32.53 | Kuifje111 | three strikes and you're out! |
| 14:33.19 | abrotman | m8: /etc/init.d/rc.local ? |
| 14:33.25 | m8 | :o |
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| 14:33.40 | abrotman | m8: there's a /etc/rc.local .. what's wrong with yours ? |
| 14:34.02 | m8 | abrotman, the command doesn't run at startup |
| 14:34.14 | abrotman | it should |
| 14:34.30 | m8 | but not 've chmoded +x the file but nothing |
| 14:37.41 | m8 | what checks "if [ -x /etc/rc.local ];" ? |
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| 14:38.44 | acu | is anyone using Wheezy with Gnome3 ? The Search Files does not work |
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| 14:56.03 | spectacular | hi, I have a file with an OCD extension which seems to have multiple EOFs. how can I split it into multiple files at the EOFs? |
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| 15:01.55 | ix_ | grub has stopped detecting other OS's |
| 15:02.02 | ix_ | which I find highly annoying |
| 15:02.14 | ix_ | and I have no idea why |
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| 15:06.34 | jaakkos | ix: try running os-prober |
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| 15:08.00 | jaakkos | ix_: try running os-prober |
| 15:08.18 | ix_ | command not found |
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| 15:08.52 | ix_ | if you mean sudo os-prober |
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| 15:09.13 | jaakkos | well that could be your problem :D |
| 15:09.25 | ix_ | yeah, it probebly is |
| 15:09.25 | muzone | Why can't I wget -r -A pdf,doc http://www.fabricly.com? https://gist.github.com/1519382 - it doesn't make any difference if I add HTML to the list. Running the same command on other sites though usually yields tons of PDFs and DOCs. |
| 15:10.55 | ix_ | I really don't understand why I did not have os-prober installed |
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| 15:11.15 | ompaul | muzone: run it as -m and just try to mirror it maybe it doesn't have any pdfs |
| 15:11.17 | ix_ | I'm sure it detected OS's some time ago |
| 15:11.18 | jaakkos | ix_: # aptitude why os-prober |
| 15:11.19 | jaakkos | i grub-common Recommends os-prober (>= 1.33) |
| 15:11.36 | ix_ | now it works I just installed it |
| 15:11.40 | ix_ | thank you |
| 15:11.52 | jaakkos | sure |
| 15:12.00 | ix_ | I was so annoyed that I erased the MBR because of that LOL |
| 15:12.24 | ix_ | and the partition table with it |
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| 15:19.18 | muzone | thanks ompaul |
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| 15:45.50 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 15:45.56 | dury | I got this in my phpmyadmin http://imageshack.us/f/515/screenshot1qy.png/ |
| 15:45.57 | muzone | is now playing: Unknown - mrender1 (http://home.no/mritz/mrender1.mp3) |
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| 15:46.39 | dury | what could it be the errors, then? |
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| 15:51.16 | dury | Is anyone familiar with phpmyadmin? |
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| 15:53.30 | thewanderer1 | dury, I suppose thee people in #phpmyadmin might be |
| 15:53.30 | thewanderer1 | s/thee/the/ |
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| 15:55.27 | dury | thewanderer1: no answer from no one :) |
| 15:56.14 | rufianw | how can I build a kernel compatible with DKMS? dkms says I have no -headers package installed for my kernel, but there is. |
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| 15:56.30 | rufianw | (I build my kernels using make-kpkg) |
| 15:56.46 | dury | thewanderer1: gesss... can you support, or advice me about it, if you don't mind, please? |
| 15:57.32 | jelly-home | rufianw: if you're using a distro kernel, the relevant linux-headers-$(uname -r) packages should be enough. With a custom kernel, I guess it's possible the packages are not built properly |
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| 15:58.22 | thewanderer1 | dury, just ask your question in the channel |
| 15:58.48 | rufianw | jelly-home: they are custom kernels. I want to learn how to make them compatible with DKMS. |
| 15:59.00 | JoshuaP | How do I change where $adduser makes home directories? |
| 15:59.07 | jelly-home | rufianw: #debian-kernel channel on irc.oftc.net might know the correct way |
| 15:59.21 | dury | thewanderer1: all right |
| 15:59.32 | rufianw | jelly-home: thanks. |
| 16:00.00 | dury | thewanderer1: I did, but not answer |
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| 16:00.06 | dury | :( |
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| 16:00.43 | thewanderer1 | dury, patience is a virtue :P |
| 16:01.19 | jelly-home | rufianw: btw, which debian release and which version of kernel-package are you using? |
| 16:01.25 | rufianw | There is no people in ##debian-kernel! |
| 16:01.40 | jelly-home | rufianw: NOT on this network! |
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| 16:01.45 | rufianw | ah, ok |
| 16:01.51 | rufianw | I'll go into the debian network. |
| 16:01.54 | jelly-home | OFTC is a different IRC network |
| 16:01.59 | jelly-home | right |
| 16:02.04 | dury | thewanderer1: you right.... but you know.. :( |
| 16:02.29 | rufianw | I am using debian testing with little pinning. My kernel-package version is 12.036+nmu1 |
| 16:02.49 | jelly-home | ,versions kernel-package |
| 16:02.50 | judd | Package: kernel-package on i386 -- lenny: 11.015; sid: 12.036+nmu1; squeeze: 12.036+nmu1; wheezy: 12.036+nmu1 |
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| 16:03.10 | jelly-home | ... they're all the same anyway, eh |
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| 16:06.10 | dw | anyone know where i can find a precompiled arm-none-eabi-gcc for squeeze? dont want to waste 3 weeks watching it build:) |
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| 16:10.33 | vip931 | during debian sqeeze installation, there is only one partition appears, SCSI1..ATA ST9500325AS for fear of erasing my C drive, is that partition referring to D drive? |
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| 16:13.09 | JoshuaP | How do I change where $adduser makes home directories? |
| 16:15.07 | liiwi | see the --home option to adduser command (adduser(1)) |
| 16:15.16 | cassavuota | JoshuaP: not sure about adduser but check out /etc/default/useradd |
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| 16:16.31 | liiwi | and /etc/adduser.conf |
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| 16:20.39 | cassavuota | any big differences between adduser and useradd? |
| 16:20.59 | petemc | adduser is a script that calls useradd |
| 16:21.13 | cassavuota | thank you |
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| 16:22.32 | SVNDR | how do i disbale a users account? ive been using userdel -r for a while but have realised that doesnt disable it just keeps their files |
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| 16:22.45 | ksuhku | vip931, that's not a partition but your harddisk |
| 16:23.22 | ksuhku | vip931, you need to resize your windoze partition before installation |
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| 16:24.18 | ksuhku | vip931, you can use e.g. http://gparted.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:25.45 | vip931 | ksuhku: thanks.. |
| 16:25.59 | cassavuota | SVNDR: you'll lock their password |
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| 16:26.09 | cassavuota | passwd -l |
| 16:26.29 | SVNDR | thanks mate, and anyway to unlock it? |
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| 16:26.38 | cassavuota | -u |
| 16:26.50 | SVNDR | makes good sence lol cheers again |
| 16:26.58 | cassavuota | heh |
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| 16:28.52 | jhutchins_wk | SVNDR: man passwd might be amusng. |
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| 16:31.49 | vip931 | ksuhku, windows 7 has the utility to shrink partition too, I should choose drive D to shrink then? |
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| 16:34.43 | SVNDR | can i set in /etc/passwd to /bin/false to disbale their account? |
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| 16:34.55 | SVNDR | set a user in* |
| 16:35.15 | modnar | yes |
| 16:35.33 | SVNDR | modnar, thanks |
| 16:36.11 | cassavuota | you also could let his account expire |
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| 16:36.29 | SVNDR | as in, a passwd expire? |
| 16:36.32 | laurus | What is the recommended mail client for Xfce users? |
| 16:36.50 | cassavuota | usermod --expiredate 1, for example |
| 16:37.09 | SVNDR | cassavuota, i mean if i want to disable there account at that point in time.. ASAP |
| 16:37.36 | cassavuota | 1 is 1 in unix time |
| 16:37.57 | SVNDR | sweet, cheers again |
| 16:39.20 | jelly-home | laurus: probably better to use whatever app is nice and fits your workflow. Thunderbird / Icedove might be nice. |
| 16:39.37 | modnar | so 1 would be jan 2, 1970 right? |
| 16:39.43 | laurus | jelly-home, I just tried it but it has a lot of weird things that I don't like, so I thought there might be a more "Xfce-y" one :P |
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| 16:39.57 | laurus | I am now trying Claws Mail |
| 16:40.04 | jelly-home | laurus: which version did you try? |
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| 16:40.21 | laurus | jelly-home, 3.1.16 |
| 16:40.58 | jelly-home | laurus: I'd try the release version from http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 16:41.13 | cassavuota | modnar: i think it's the seconds since jan 1st 1970 |
| 16:41.33 | laurus | jelly-home, the problems with Icedove for me are structural things, like the fact that the address book is stored in a bizarre format, only mbox is supported, the RAM requirements seem to be huge, etc |
| 16:41.50 | modnar | oh |
| 16:41.52 | jelly-home | oh, you have an older machine? |
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| 16:41.58 | laurus | jelly-home, well, a netbook |
| 16:41.59 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 16:42.17 | jelly-home | laurus: and you want offline mail on that? |
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| 16:42.29 | laurus | jelly-home, well, I have a FastMail account with a 100MB limit. |
| 16:42.37 | Bartzy | Using the monitors applet in gnome (debian squeeze), I drag the external monitor to be in the left and the laptop's monitor in the right. However, this resets every time I unplug the external monitor |
| 16:42.41 | laurus | So I have to have an automated way of keeping mail locally |
| 16:43.06 | laurus | jelly-home, I am in #debian-offtopic, let's discuss there |
| 16:43.12 | jelly-home | k |
| 16:43.15 | laurus | :) |
| 16:43.26 | jhutchins_wk | laurus: alpine |
| 16:43.49 | laurus | jhutchins_wk, the problem with that is that the fonts are not configurable for other languages |
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| 16:44.03 | jhutchins_wk | laurus: Actually, they are. |
| 16:44.15 | dimaursu16 | hi there |
| 16:44.16 | Diranged | is there a way to get reprepro to not re-name my deb files when i include them? |
| 16:44.29 | jhutchins_wk | laurus: afik it just uses the reguar console fonts, which are configurable. |
| 16:45.20 | dimaursu16 | does anyone have gnome + awesome wm? |
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| 16:46.24 | Diranged | im trying to get around this problem: https://forums.aws.amazon.com/thread.jspa?threadID=55746 |
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| 16:51.19 | Mac101 | hi, say i bought a wireless dongle, installed working drivers etc, what would the config file be called, where do i put in the wireless details is there a help page somehwere? :o |
| 16:52.01 | jhutchins_wk | !wifi |
| 16:52.01 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <killswitch>, <wpa>, <wlan howto>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 16:52.56 | jhutchins_wk | Mac101: If you're always on the same network you can put the configuration in /etc/networking/interfaces. Otherwise you probably want a network-manager. |
| 16:53.05 | Mac101 | thanks but ive read the wiki on the dongle i intend to get, but it doesnt seem to state anything about the actual config (where i put the ssid, password etc) |
| 16:53.18 | Mac101 | o |
| 16:53.46 | jhutchins_wk | Mac101: Man interfaces. See the howto and the wiki above. |
| 16:54.12 | jhutchins_wk | Mac101: To get a <factoid> do /msg dpkg <factoid> |
| 16:54.28 | Mac101 | hmm so /etc/networking/interfaces can deal with wpa2? |
| 16:55.36 | jhutchins_wk | Mac101: /msg dpkg wpa and see the URLs at the end. |
| 16:55.48 | Mac101 | ok will try thx |
| 16:55.54 | jhutchins_wk | Mac101: (I'm trying to give you resources that will answer future questions rather than just give you a quick answer.) |
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| 16:56.11 | Mac101 | thx |
| 16:56.47 | twobitsprite | just curious... I see in the default /etc/ssh/sshd_config, PrintMotd is set to "no", but the MOTD is still printed when I log in... |
| 16:56.59 | ksuhku | vip931, it really doesn't matter to Debian which partition you shrink |
| 16:57.16 | twobitsprite | I don't see anything in any of the /etc/bashrc or /etc/profile or anything like that which does it |
| 16:57.29 | Mac101 | hmm dpkg re wpa2: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Mac101 |
| 16:57.31 | Mac101 | :) |
| 16:57.36 | ksuhku | vip931, you need for a minimal install some 5 gigs or so but I'd recommend much more, like 30 or more |
| 16:57.41 | twobitsprite | how is the motd printed? |
| 16:58.09 | Bartzy | Using the monitors applet in gnome (debian squeeze), I drag the external monitor to be in the left and the laptop's monitor in the right. However, this resets every time I unplug the external monitor |
| 16:58.10 | Bartzy | Any idea ? |
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| 17:00.43 | jhutchins_wk | Bartzy: Use the gnome display configuration tool to set it instead of just dragging. |
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| 17:02.33 | Bartzy | jhutchins: How do I get to this tool ? |
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| 17:03.56 | jhutchins_wk | Bartzy: It's probably under something like System Settings, or possibly by right-clicking on the desktop, I really don't know Gnome. |
| 17:04.27 | jhutchins_wk | Bartzy: I think nvidia has it's own tool. |
| 17:04.28 | Bartzy | jhutchins_wk: I did use the configuration tool |
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| 17:05.01 | Bartzy | jhutchins_wk: And this tool allows you to drag the monitors. However it doesn't last when I unplug and plug again |
| 17:06.44 | jhutchins_wk | Bartzy: Is there a "save settings" button or something? |
| 17:07.09 | unkmar | nvidia has nvidia-settings |
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| 17:07.34 | unkmar | a good cli tool for managing the desktop is xrandr. |
| 17:07.40 | Bartzy | jhutchins: No. |
| 17:07.50 | Bartzy | jhutchins_wk: No. |
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| 17:09.10 | unkmar | The generic monitor choices in gnome are at: System, Prefences, Monitors |
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| 17:11.33 | unkmar | Bartzy: I'm running squeeze on my laptop and simply closing my lid and opening causes my monitor choices to change. It feels as if the next setup in line takes effect. |
| 17:12.17 | Bartzy | unkmar: Closing my laptop lid makes the computer go to sleep (which is what I want) |
| 17:12.21 | unkmar | Bartzy: rotates from single laptop, to single external, to dual, to cloned. Not neccessarily that order. |
| 17:12.23 | Bartzy | unkmar: What do you mean exactly ? |
| 17:12.26 | unkmar | Very annoying actually. |
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| 17:13.17 | unkmar | Bartzy: I guess you don't watch video on via HDMI on a large screen in a dark room. |
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| 17:14.19 | unkmar | having activity on my laptop screen while I'm trying to watch the TV screen is distracting. |
| 17:15.14 | Zharf | tv is indeed a distraction |
| 17:15.17 | unkmar | And I feel the laptop is better protected from accidents with the lid closed. At those times I also use a wireless keyboard and mouse. |
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| 17:16.59 | unkmar | Zharf: that all depends on the current mode. When I want to chill out, the TV is the entertainment and the computer is the distraction. When I want to surf, program, or most anything else, the TV is the distraction and the computer is the needed tool. |
| 17:17.26 | unkmar | I tend to stay in the 2nd mode listed. |
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| 17:17.38 | ajikeshi__ | kinda offtopic... but might be of interest: FYI: http://events.ccc.de/congress/2011/Fahrplan/day_2011-12-27.en.html and the streams: http://28c3.fem-net.de/ |
| 17:17.39 | Zharf | there is no scenario where tv could be considered entertainment |
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| 17:21.47 | cahoot | you might want and IMO there |
| 17:21.59 | unkmar | Zharf: for me, if nothing else, brownie points with the gf |
| 17:22.46 | ksuhku | lol |
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| 17:23.23 | twobitsprite | ahh, in case anyone was curious, it looks like the motd is printed by the pam_motd.so listed in /etc/pam.d/sshd |
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| 17:28.18 | Zharf | cahoot, pft, I only speak through empirical facts! ;) |
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| 17:49.56 | sean-w | Hi all. Can someone tell be why this hosts file isn't setting my FQDN properly on debian 6? http://pastebin.com/fuRQhD0h |
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| 17:51.16 | jhutchins_wk | sean-w: Probably because that's not what a hosts file does. |
| 17:51.19 | jhutchins_wk | !hostname |
| 17:51.19 | dpkg | Use "hostname foo" to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it does not exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', /etc/mailname. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
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| 17:58.50 | DexterF | hi |
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| 17:59.27 | DexterF | can one have two people working on one debian machine with each one having his own X session? |
| 17:59.44 | DexterF | (and set of keyb/mouse) |
| 18:00.07 | ompaul | DexterF: I have that setup but my setup is only suitable for a trusted lan |
| 18:00.08 | jhutchins_wk | DexterF: Yes. Not sure about sorting the kb/mouse, but it's possible. |
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| 18:00.36 | jhutchins_wk | USB allows multiple input devices. |
| 18:00.43 | DexterF | ompaul: just my case. |
| 18:01.05 | DexterF | jhutchins_wk: well ok but can I map specific devices to individual Xs? |
| 18:01.30 | jhutchins_wk | DexterF: I'm sure you can; I have no idea how (except it probably involves xorg.conf |
| 18:01.36 | ompaul | DexterF: what you need are multiple computers and you want to connect over xdmcp to the "mother ship" |
| 18:01.55 | ompaul | X :0 -query 192.server |
| 18:01.56 | jhutchins_wk | ompaul: It's possible to do it with a single box. |
| 18:02.02 | ompaul | jhutchins_wk: yes |
| 18:02.06 | ompaul | done that too |
| 18:02.09 | jhutchins_wk | It'se even possible to do it with Windows given special hard/software. |
| 18:02.11 | ompaul | but monitors |
| 18:02.39 | ompaul | with a windows box you can use cygwinX to connect to the server |
| 18:02.53 | DexterF | the idea is: I have that debian box which is mainly my HTPC (xbmc) and couple other things including Virtualbox and that one's on 24/7 anyway. so it's bogus to have a second computer for only email, web surfing etc. |
| 18:03.02 | jhutchins_wk | A friend salveaged a computer once that had a dozen serial ports and no KB/Montior ports. |
| 18:03.08 | DexterF | the idea here is to get rid of the other computer. |
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| 18:06.25 | war9407 | dpkg, why isn't motion in testing? |
| 18:06.25 | dpkg | motion is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=motion |
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| 18:07.59 | jhutchins_wk | DexterF: http://linuxgazette.net/124/smith.html |
| 18:09.26 | jhutchins_wk | DexterF: This device provides VGA and sound: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/PLuggable-DC125-USB-20-Docking-Client/ |
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| 18:11.55 | jhutchins_wk | DexterF: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiseat_configuration#GNU.2FLinux |
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| 18:12.31 | DexterF | jhutchins_wk: sound like what I need, thanks |
| 18:12.45 | jhutchins_wk | DexterF: http://wiki.x.org/wiki/Development/Documentation/Multiseat |
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| 18:13.32 | Trazi | Hi |
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| 18:18.37 | project2501a | hey guys, the o'reilly exim book is proving to be as difficult going through it as the damn sendmail book; one frankenstein was killed to put into place a second. do you know of any well written exim tutorials, please? |
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| 18:19.56 | babilen | project2501a: http://www.exim.org/exim-html-current/doc/html/spec_html/index.html and http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/README/README.Debian.html ? |
| 18:20.22 | babilen | project2501a: Not tutorials though |
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| 18:21.20 | project2501a | babilen: thanks. anything that will get me started with exim4 is ok. i just want to set it up as a mail relay. for now, an explanation of what do all the options in /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf are would be good. |
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| 18:22.30 | babilen | project2501a: If you just want to use it as Smarthost you can just run "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" and configure that. There are a few other options which are detailed in Debian's README |
| 18:23.07 | project2501a | can you point me to something that will describe what a smarthost is? |
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| 18:23.28 | project2501a | wikipedia . ah. :) |
| 18:23.41 | qdb | hello. how do you think my system is again hacked? : http://paste2.org/p/1842664 |
| 18:23.58 | jelly-home | the kittens did it |
| 18:24.10 | project2501a | the butler did it. |
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| 18:25.00 | nvz | yo momma did it... all day and all of the night... in the bedroom.. oh yeaaaahh.. |
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| 18:31.32 | unkmar | DexterF: I have succesfully mapped audio to certain sound cards depending on which software I was running. This process would have been even easier if I ran as different users. |
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| 18:33.31 | unkmar | DexterF: I also have wanted to use 2 keyboards, 2 mouse, 2 monitors, 2 xservers, 2 users and 1 computer. |
| 18:33.40 | DexterF | unkmar: multiuser no problem. actually I'd prefer to have that USB gadget for the "remote" seat. who would have thought a 10 dollar usb gadget produces better sound than a emu10k1... |
| 18:34.00 | DexterF | unkmar: so - did you get there? |
| 18:34.41 | unkmar | I had never taken time to research it. This link looks promising though. |
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| 18:36.52 | DexterF | thing is it took me ages to get the machine to act as a htpc properly... should backup the OS before I go for it... |
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| 18:39.15 | DexterF | dang... next is +i only... someone happen to know if the Etron EJ168 USB3 chip works in recent wheezy kernels? |
| 18:39.56 | jelly-home | DexterF: that channel is on irc.debian.org, different irc network |
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| 18:44.00 | hivemind | guys |
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| 18:51.32 | debian_noob | can anyone provide a guide for packaging .deb files? |
| 18:52.05 | dimaursu16 | google? |
| 18:52.31 | dimaursu16 | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/Linux-For-Devices-Articles/How-to-make-deb-packages/ |
| 18:52.31 | iiiii | Duckduckgo |
| 18:52.47 | dimaursu16 | search engine, for that matter |
| 18:52.54 | mjt | debian_noob: there's a channel on oftc dedicated especially for that -- debian-mentors. but you really should read something first. |
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| 18:53.14 | debian_noob | yeah |
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| 18:54.18 | luist | hey how can i sign a deb repository (gpg --sign) without using a password? need something automatic |
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| 18:54.55 | mjt | luist: it defeats the purpose |
| 18:55.12 | luist | mjt, i dont really care :T |
| 18:55.20 | mjt | so don't do it |
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| 18:55.25 | dimaursu16 | has anyone used one of these services like github, gitorious? which is the best? I want to learn git and to keep safe some of my files, scripts, etc |
| 18:55.31 | luist | mjt, i dont want to type the password.. |
| 18:55.59 | mjt | dimaursu16: #git |
| 18:56.00 | luist | dimaursu16, i built a gitorious... its good but the administration is very weak |
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| 19:00.45 | neal | What command do I need to list all packages matching some criteria e.g. from a particular section, having a particular dependency? |
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| 19:01.21 | dimaursu16 | neal: may you should try the filters from synaptics? |
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| 19:02.48 | wildc4rd | good evening all! |
| 19:02.52 | neal | dimaursu16: I'm looking for something more low-level. |
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| 19:03.36 | ElDiabolo | Is there any discussion that asking for a password as the only user visible error handling is crappy behavior (NetworkManager does that, evolution partially)? |
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| 19:07.03 | iiiii | Neal like yum provides? apt-file |
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| 19:07.55 | thewanderer1 | neal, it's all in apt-cache and aptitude search |
| 19:08.06 | dimaursu16 | neal: dpkg-deb -W|--show this shows info for a specific deb file |
| 19:08.22 | dimaursu16 | then use grep or something like it |
| 19:08.22 | ompaul | neal: apt-cache depends / rdepends foo |
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| 19:10.39 | neal | thewanderer1: thanks, aptitude search's search patterns is what I'm looking for. |
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| 19:18.06 | tdrusk1 | What do I need to do for nautilus to mount samba shares? It worked with gnome, but after installing nautilus in xfce-desktop it didn't work. I have also install gvfs backends. |
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| 19:26.03 | ssfdre38 | hey what is the experimental repository apt? |
| 19:26.34 | daemonkeeper | !iyhtays |
| 19:26.35 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 19:27.37 | Somelauw | Is debian testing essentially a rolling release version of debian or do I misunderstand? |
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| 19:28.09 | jelly-home | Somelauw: it's different things at different times, but mostly the staging area for the next release |
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| 19:28.45 | jelly-home | !tell Somelauw about testing |
| 19:28.49 | jelly-home | !tell Somelauw about freeze |
| 19:29.20 | ssfdre38 | well for me all i need is the experimental repository for squeeze |
| 19:30.17 | jelly-home | ssfdre38: ok, I'll bite. What is it you actually want to accomplish by enabling such a repository |
| 19:30.29 | ssfdre38 | gnome 3.2 |
| 19:30.51 | jelly-home | that won't happen for squeeze |
| 19:30.52 | Somelauw | The bot doesn't work, I think. |
| 19:31.08 | jelly-home | Somelauw: did you not get private messages? |
| 19:31.14 | ssfdre38 | jelly-home, its in that repo so it should work for it |
| 19:31.49 | Somelauw | oh, my bad |
| 19:32.01 | jelly-home | ssfdre38: experimental repo contains packages that are known to be broken, and that are only built against sid |
| 19:32.03 | Somelauw | !tell Somelauw about testing |
| 19:32.08 | Somelauw | !tell Somelauw about freeze |
| 19:32.18 | jelly-home | Somelauw: try /msg dpkg testing |
| 19:32.20 | Somelauw | Okay, I got them |
| 19:32.30 | innociv | is there a way that I can restrict the file sizes uploaded with sftp? And file types would be nice, too. |
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| 19:33.27 | Leoneof | how to download experimental repos? |
| 19:33.39 | Leoneof | or how to use them. |
| 19:33.49 | ssfdre38 | i want to download from them |
| 19:34.07 | Leoneof | Also, it is safe to use experimental repos? |
| 19:34.21 | thewanderer1 | Leoneof, it's absolutely not safe :P |
| 19:34.26 | Leoneof | oh |
| 19:34.30 | Leoneof | really? |
| 19:34.34 | thewanderer1 | Leoneof, what do you need them for? |
| 19:34.49 | Leoneof | latest version of KDE |
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| 19:36.01 | Leoneof | Debian is still with KDE 4.5 |
| 19:36.16 | Leoneof | KDE will release 4.8 soon O_O |
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| 19:37.53 | thewanderer1 | Leoneof, Testing has a more current version which is more safe as well (works for me). if you're really going to install experimental packages, you'll probably need to upgrade a huge part of your system to testing or Sid. |
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| 19:38.08 | jelly-home | !sid |
| 19:38.08 | dpkg | The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 19:38.26 | jelly-home | eyes dpkg suspiciously |
| 19:38.32 | Leoneof | ouch! |
| 19:38.34 | jelly-home | !poke dpkg |
| 19:38.35 | dpkg | pokes dpkg with a cattle prod |
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| 19:38.48 | daemonkeeper | !pal jelly-home |
| 19:38.48 | dpkg | points at jelly-home and laughs |
| 19:38.56 | thewanderer1 | Leoneof, http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde47.html has instructions if you really need the latest and the "greatest" (possibly the buggiest, too!) |
| 19:39.00 | jelly-home | brb |
| 19:39.13 | ojtimsen_away | I like therefor the rolling distribution aptosid |
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| 19:40.27 | Leoneof | thewanderer1: thanks! |
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| 19:53.46 | dxtr | How could I check out a pciid? |
| 19:55.42 | cahoot | find it or find the relevant module? |
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| 19:56.22 | dxtr | find the relevant data. ther was a command in this channel someone showed me the other day |
| 19:56.25 | dxtr | !pciid |
| 19:56.26 | dpkg | The PCI ID helps us work out how to support your PCI hardware. It looks like [abcd:1234] in the output of "lspci -nn". Ask the bot "judd" to match the PCI ID of the device, e.g. "/msg judd pciid 8086:284b". Some hardware uses alternate means of detection: beware of some false positives+negatives. See also <judd-hardware>, <local pciid>. To find out what currently installed kernel modules your hardware is using, run "lspci -k". |
| 19:56.30 | dxtr | Yes, that's it :P |
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| 20:00.03 | acu | Is the search tool working OK in GNOME3? - I run debian wheezy - I chose find file, place *.txt and it finds nothing - and I know there are many files there |
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| 20:03.13 | dxtr | !pciid 1002:9802 |
| 20:03.17 | dxtr | Err |
| 20:03.18 | dxtr | Wrong :D |
| 20:03.33 | jelly-home | acu: the answer's obviously "no", eh! |
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| 20:03.58 | _ramo | hi |
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| 20:04.20 | _ramo | is it easily possible to install php 5.3 with fcgid on apache 2 on debian squeeze? |
| 20:04.52 | dxtr | 21:03 <judd> [1002:9802] is 'Wrestler [Radeon HD 6310]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze <- Is this really correct? |
| 20:05.04 | dxtr | Use snd-hda-intel for my radeon card? |
| 20:05.38 | yeppa00 | hey, i recently bougth a samsung galaxy but i cant connect to wifi |
| 20:05.57 | thewanderer1 | dxtr, probably means that it has a HDMI output that uses the intel sound module for audio muxing... |
| 20:06.09 | thewanderer1 | yeppa00, how is that a Debian problem? |
| 20:06.32 | yeppa00 | i dont know sorry il go to another chat |
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| 20:11.13 | acu | Jelly-home: is any search feature turned off in Gnome3 ? |
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| 20:14.51 | anima | quick question, what is debians standard text based browser ? it used to be lynx but it seems like thats no longer packaged with deb |
| 20:15.11 | thewanderer1 | anima, w3m in the default install |
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| 20:16.07 | anima | thewanderer1, ty |
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| 20:21.18 | jhutchins_wk | anima: I've got lynx on my systems. |
| 20:22.04 | anima | jhutchins, yes the deb repos have a lynx package but that doesnt do much good when you are configuring a system offline |
| 20:22.05 | dxtr | Can In stall Debian on my encrypted drive without overwriting the disk *AGAIN*? |
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| 20:26.28 | dxtr | err, Can I install |
| 20:26.35 | nvz | thats rather vague |
| 20:27.47 | nvz | the installer would need support for the encryption method and the kernel would either need built in or initrd support to boot it or you'd need a seperate /boot partition |
| 20:28.07 | nvz | but saying if it would work or not is all vague speculation with the information not provided |
| 20:28.21 | dxtr | nvz: That was not my question |
| 20:28.25 | dxtr | I know the procedure |
| 20:29.01 | dxtr | The other day when I installed Debian it had to overwrite my hard drive. Can I tell it to not do that? I've already wiped it a couple of times now |
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| 20:29.06 | dxtr | I would rather not wait one more night |
| 20:29.32 | nvz | dxtr: debian never HAS to overwite your HDD so yes you can tell it not to |
| 20:30.09 | dxtr | nvz: So how do I do that? |
| 20:30.15 | dxtr | can I just press Cancel? P |
| 20:30.15 | dxtr | :P |
| 20:30.23 | dxtr | I never tried that. Thought it would yell at me |
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| 20:30.31 | nvz | generally when setting up a partition you say keep existing data |
| 20:30.48 | nvz | but since you've still not mentioned what it is we're talking about we're still only speculating |
| 20:30.57 | dxtr | The thing is that it overwrites my disk before setting up partitions |
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| 20:31.06 | dxtr | Yes, I have mentioned it |
| 20:31.08 | nvz | encrypted isn't like saying its red or blue.. that could mean any number of things |
| 20:31.29 | dxtr | Yes. Either it's encrypted or it's not. Sure, there are different algos but it can't be "Maybe encrypted" |
| 20:31.37 | dxtr | So it is black and white |
| 20:32.04 | dxtr | nvz: Have you ever ran the Debian installer? |
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| 20:32.47 | nvz | dxtr: more times than I care to count in the last 12 years.. I've also encrypted volumes which is how I know the software and ciphers used varies greatly and the support for one or the other is highly relevant to this discussion |
| 20:33.23 | dxtr | nvz: The software and ciphers doesn't matter in this case at all |
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| 20:33.47 | dxtr | I fail to see how this is relevant because the debian installer will overwrite your disk before you even get to pick a cipher AND before you get to make up partitions |
| 20:34.00 | nvz | then my answer is no, debian cannot install to your encrypted volume.. which is the best educated guess I can make since I have no idea what its encrypted with |
| 20:34.14 | dxtr | nvz: What is the debian installer encrypting the disk with? |
| 20:34.17 | nvz | its probably wiping the drive because its not supported.. I really dont know because you wont say |
| 20:34.26 | dxtr | What is the standard way of encrypting a drive in Linux? |
| 20:34.38 | thewanderer1 | ↑ LUKS / dm-crypt |
| 20:34.44 | dxtr | Precisely |
| 20:34.50 | dxtr | So why is that so hard to get? |
| 20:35.11 | dxtr | You're just dancing around in circles for some reason |
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| 20:36.06 | nvz | because all my drives are encrypted using proprietary software and being that you say debian installer is hosing your drive I can only assume you've done something similar and you continually refuse to say how its encrypted |
| 20:36.45 | dxtr | It is wiping my hard drive. Overwriting every single byte. With random data, probably from /dev/urandom. Can I stop it from doing this. Other software is totally irrelevant. I use irssi on my macbook if that matters. |
| 20:37.02 | dxtr | I am using the stock browser on my android phone |
| 20:37.27 | jhutchins_wk | !ig |
| 20:37.27 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
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| 20:38.34 | thewanderer1 | dxtr, tried the expert mode install? I'm not sure if it offers an option for that or if I just imagined it... :P |
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| 20:39.20 | dxtr | thewanderer1: No I haven't, actually. But it's kind of annoying that it is force-wiping the drive. There's no reason to do that |
| 20:39.37 | jhutchins_wk | dxtr: It's doing that because you're telling it to in some way. |
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| 20:40.07 | dxtr | jhutchins_wk: Yeah, it's doing that becuase I told the installer I would like it to encrypt my disk |
| 20:40.19 | dxtr | But I've already done that like two times now |
| 20:40.28 | dxtr | So there's no reason to do it again |
| 20:40.30 | tziOm | I have a rather strange thing here.. when I do a df, I see 2 gb used in a mount, but a du on the same shows 500MB used |
| 20:40.43 | dxtr | tziOm: Using ext4? |
| 20:40.45 | jhutchins_wk | dxtr: So stop telling it to encrypt it. |
| 20:40.50 | tziOm | ext4, yes |
| 20:40.59 | dxtr | jhutchins_wk: But what if I want it encrypted? |
| 20:41.05 | dxtr | tziOm: ext4 reserved space |
| 20:41.08 | jhutchins_wk | dxtr: To encrypt data it has to be rewritten. |
| 20:41.21 | tziOm | ? |
| 20:41.28 | tziOm | but the space is not used |
| 20:41.32 | dxtr | jhutchins_wk: To encrypt data you *DON'T* have to wipe the disk with pseudo-random data |
| 20:41.36 | thewanderer1 | dxtr, the installer wipes the disk because otherwise it could be possible to apply heuristics and glean clues from the spatial layout of non-zero areas... |
| 20:41.38 | tziOm | point is I just removed 1.5 gigs |
| 20:41.49 | jhutchins_wk | dxtr: It sounds like you're telling it to encrypt something that's already encrypted. In any case, it may be the "format" or "partition" stage that is "wiping" your disk. |
| 20:41.49 | tziOm | but it does not show in df |
| 20:42.03 | dxtr | thewanderer1: But it has already wiped the disk a couple of times |
| 20:42.10 | dxtr | There's no need to do it *AGAIN* |
| 20:42.22 | dxtr | My disk is already filled with pseudo-random data |
| 20:42.29 | dxtr | That's why I don't want it to do that again |
| 20:42.30 | thewanderer1 | dxtr, I know, that's why I'm suggesting expert mode... the standard one seems to make certain assumptions |
| 20:42.34 | jhutchins_wk | dxtr: What is your partition structure? What are you actually trying to do? |
| 20:42.49 | thewanderer1 | dxtr, and the installer has no means of determining if the data is random or not, so it assumes it's not and wipes by default |
| 20:42.53 | dxtr | jhutchins_wk: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda. That's why partition structure |
| 20:43.03 | dxtr | thewanderer1: Which is annoying... and bad :P |
| 20:43.08 | dxtr | err, that's my* |
| 20:43.14 | thewanderer1 | dxtr, but secure by default :P |
| 20:43.20 | jhutchins_wk | dxtr: You can't install to that anyway. |
| 20:43.29 | tziOm | Anyone understand this? I have 2GB with files in a mount, I remove 1.5GB, and df still shows 2GB used, but du shows 500MB used.. |
| 20:43.33 | jhutchins_wk | dxtr: You have to partition it and create filesystems on it (format it). |
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| 20:43.38 | dxtr | tziOm: ext4 reserved data |
| 20:43.39 | dxtr | err, size |
| 20:43.49 | dxtr | tziOm: ext4 has reserved those 2GB |
| 20:43.53 | dxtr | That's what I just told you |
| 20:44.09 | tziOm | but hey.. how can I know what is available, then? |
| 20:44.13 | dxtr | jhutchins_wk: Yeah, and the installer does that for me... When it's done wiping. BUT I DON'T WANT TO WIPE IT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY WIPED |
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| 20:44.29 | jhutchins_wk | dxtr: Then do the process manually. |
| 20:44.29 | dxtr | tziOm: Check "Available" in df? |
| 20:44.34 | tziOm | yes |
| 20:44.39 | dxtr | tziOm: yes |
| 20:44.51 | tziOm | Thats what I do.. |
| 20:44.54 | dxtr | Well then |
| 20:44.57 | dxtr | There you go |
| 20:45.04 | tziOm | no, that number is wrong |
| 20:45.09 | dxtr | No it is not |
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| 20:45.14 | tziOm | hey! |
| 20:45.43 | tziOm | I have a 3 gig partition, have 500MB there, then more than 500MB should be available, rite? |
| 20:45.48 | tziOm | thats easy math |
| 20:45.56 | nvz | tziOm: no. because part of it is RESERVED |
| 20:46.04 | tziOm | reserved for who? |
| 20:46.07 | dxtr | For ext4 |
| 20:46.19 | tziOm | for what? |
| 20:46.20 | dxtr | Ext4 is doing some random crap and reserving data for... God knows what |
| 20:46.27 | tziOm | 90% or my disk? |
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| 20:46.28 | tziOm | ! |
| 20:46.44 | dxtr | tziOm: http://odzangba.wordpress.com/2010/02/20/how-to-free-reserved-space-on-ext4-partitions/ |
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| 20:47.03 | tziOm | Did microsoft write this? |
| 20:47.25 | dxtr | How is Microsoft related to this? |
| 20:47.31 | dxtr | I'm quite curious |
| 20:47.36 | Chelsea | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:48.16 | nvz | tziOm: ext2/3/4 all reserve space its a tunable perameter |
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| 20:48.32 | nvz | tziOm: man tune2fs |
| 20:48.34 | tdrusk1 | how can I rm -r a folder that has been sudo chown <username>:fuse /media/network? |
| 20:48.35 | tziOm | This cant be it |
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| 20:48.42 | tziOm | seriously, I have never seen this before |
| 20:48.58 | nvz | tziOm: well then you've never looked, because its always been that way |
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| 20:49.23 | tziOm | perhaps, but do not tell me it has reserved 2GB out of 3 |
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| 20:49.45 | nvz | tziOm: default reserve is suppose to be 5% in most cases |
| 20:49.53 | Leoneof | i thought reserved space means 512kb only. |
| 20:49.57 | tziOm | and they were not reserved a minute ago.. files were there |
| 20:49.59 | dxtr | Leoneof: 5% |
| 20:50.23 | Leoneof | dxtr: how to check that? |
| 20:50.23 | nvz | tziOm: pastebin the output of the commands you're running |
| 20:50.26 | Leoneof | any command? |
| 20:50.32 | dxtr | Leoneof: man tune2fs |
| 20:51.41 | tziOm | ok |
| 20:51.43 | tziOm | solved |
| 20:51.53 | tziOm | nginx was "holding" on some files |
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| 20:53.32 | sakal | I'm using tmux and mc (midnight commander), so for normal using of mouse and hotkeys I set TERM=xterm-color. Now all works fine, but when I call CTRL+O I got clean subshell window (history scrolled up) |
| 20:53.46 | sakal | how can I fix it? |
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| 20:54.43 | nickermire | test |
| 20:54.48 | nvz | test failed |
| 20:54.48 | sakal | tset |
| 20:55.18 | nickermire | lol |
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| 20:55.22 | aquarat | lol |
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| 20:58.18 | dxtr | Hm... If this works.. Can I use the kernel from stable in testing? The software in stable is a little too outdated for my taste but the kernel in testing has bugs with my wlan |
| 20:58.39 | tziOm | test -f /etc/shadow |
| 21:00.33 | jhutchins_wk | dxtr: That's why it's called testing, not Shiny New Sofware with Bigger Version Numbers. |
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| 21:02.24 | thewanderer1 | dxtr, I've only tried it with a mixed Squeeze/Wheezy, might work with "pure" Wheezy as well (but then, Wheezy is pretty much broken at this time) |
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| 21:04.32 | SVNDR | What kind of protection can i get to setup? Im looking to start a Hosting Service and im wondering what some basic, yet good, type of security there is, if there is any.. |
| 21:04.54 | nvz | protection from what? |
| 21:05.15 | SVNDR | DDOS mainly |
| 21:05.17 | nvz | security is an idea that must be audited and revised continually, its not something you install |
| 21:05.20 | SVNDR | but anything and eveything |
| 21:06.21 | jhutchins_wk | SVNDR: Well, you want an upstream firewall that's doing iptables throttling, and you want a good, hardened system. |
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| 21:07.06 | SVNDR | jhutchins, ok |
| 21:07.29 | jbeitler | SVNDR: I have used fail2ban in the past. .works well, but you def want a firewall upstream as well |
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| 21:08.07 | jhutchins_wk | SVNDR: http://www.trinityos.com/LINUX/TrinityOS/cHTML/TrinityOS-c.html is a good guide. |
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| 21:08.34 | SVNDR | jhutchins, thanks heaps |
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| 21:10.12 | zombiethoughts | Is there a way to force eth0 to be enabled without a physical network cable connected? |
| 21:10.50 | innociv | is there a way that I can restrict the file sizes uploaded with sftp? And file types would be nice, too. |
| 21:10.56 | jbeitler | zombiethoughts: not that I have found no. unless you are in a VM |
| 21:11.30 | zombiethoughts | jbeitler: Okay, thanks. I'll keep looking around. |
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| 21:13.36 | dxtr | Bah |
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| 21:13.59 | Westonnnn | Anyone here good with kexec? |
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| 21:16.24 | tziOm | is there some params to apt-mirror to not include any x støff? |
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| 21:17.36 | nvz | tziOm: why are you setting up a mirror? |
| 21:17.56 | tziOm | ... |
| 21:18.05 | nvz | you may be going about it the wrong way |
| 21:18.19 | tziOm | setting up a local mirror for speed |
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| 21:18.51 | tziOm | but this is purely for server installs, so I would like not to download every single package if possible. |
| 21:18.59 | nvz | tziOm: well a mirror by definition is the same |
| 21:19.31 | nvz | tziOm: however what I've used before where I will have lots of debian machines using the same things is an apt caching proxy that keeps packages someone installs incase someone else wants to use them |
| 21:19.44 | Westonnnn | I am passing in crashkernel=64M@16M in debian 5 in the /boot/grub/menu.lst then I load my crash kernel `kexec -l /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-amd64 --initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-amd64 --append=`cat /proc/cmdline`" 1 irqpoll maxcpus=1 reset_devices"` and then `kexec -p` however no matter what I do it always fails with Memory for crashkernel is not reserved Please reserve memory by passing "crashkernel=X@Y" parameter to the kernel Then try loading kdump kernel |
| 21:20.09 | tziOm | I also need some private packages there, so same repo would be nice here, with reprepro |
| 21:20.36 | nvz | it likely serves your purpose much better, speding up things that will be used more than once while not wasting time, space and bandwidth on stuff you won't use |
| 21:20.59 | nvz | I'd still use an apt caching proxy and setup a repo for custom packages |
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| 21:21.28 | tziOm | I download this in some half hour, so no big problem, I just wondered. |
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| 21:23.56 | nvz | Westonnnn: first of all backticks are evil, secondly why are you doing all this roundabout passing something from grub to one kernel then from that kernel to another kernel instead of just typing the parameter in the kexec line to begin with |
| 21:25.26 | SVNDR | will adding multiple (lets say 20) users eat up RAM even though they arent active? |
| 21:26.02 | nvz | SVNDR: you mean creating a user account on a system? |
| 21:26.30 | SVNDR | yea.. like 20 different accounts. even without them being active, or having and background processes running |
| 21:26.57 | nvz | SVNDR: all that does is make entries to /etc/shadow, /etc/passwd, /etc/groups, creating a homedir with the default skeleton.. none of that has anything to do with RAM |
| 21:27.04 | in2tactics | SVNDR: having accounts on the system only uses ram when they are actively logged in |
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| 21:27.22 | SVNDR | nvz, in2tactics, Thanks |
| 21:27.29 | SVNDR | i figured.. just wanted to clarify |
| 21:30.24 | Westonnnn | nvz:Debian5x64:~# kexec -l /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-amd64 --initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-amd64 --append="root=/dev/sda1 1 irqpoll maxcpus=1 reset_devices" Debian5x64:~# kexec -p Memory for crashkernel is not reserved Please reserve memory by passing "crashkernel=X@Y" parameter to the kernel Then try loading kdump kernel |
| 21:31.03 | nvz | @.@ |
| 21:31.37 | Secret | X_X |
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| 21:33.24 | testswap | Hello, a mirror I seem to be using, doesn't seem to be working |
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| 21:33.43 | ksx4system | how low can I go with minimal Debian install? |
| 21:34.08 | testswap | Is it possible to have apt-get cycle through available mirrors? are do I have to change mirror myself, everytime one goes down? |
| 21:34.12 | ksx4system | nothing what is not needed to run SSH daemon, mc, hylafax and thttpd |
| 21:34.13 | SVNDR | How can i force remove a user even if they are logged in? (sorry about all the question, bit of a newb) |
| 21:34.19 | ompaul | fs] |
| 21:34.21 | ompaul | GDS |
| 21:34.23 | SVNDR | force delete* |
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| 21:34.45 | testswap | SVNDR: How are they logged in? via SSH? |
| 21:34.53 | SVNDR | testswap, yes |
| 21:35.02 | ompaul | testswap: use http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ |
| 21:35.09 | jhutchins_wk | testswap: I used a system that did that every time you ran the package manager. It was horrible. |
| 21:35.17 | testswap | SVNDR: Just kill all their processes, including SSH, like so, killall -u user, then delete the user |
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| 21:35.26 | jhutchins_wk | testswap: The mirror network is pretty stable. |
| 21:35.27 | thewanderer1 | testswap, I can think of a DNS hack that you could use... have several entries, most clients (including apt-http I believe) will cycle through them in a round-robin fashion |
| 21:35.42 | thewanderer1 | oh, cdn already does that for you :P |
| 21:35.43 | jhutchins_wk | cdn does that anyway though. |
| 21:35.52 | SVNDR | testswap, do i need to login to their account first or from root? |
| 21:35.53 | ompaul | SVNDR: do pkill -u $username as root and then deluser $user |
| 21:36.02 | jhutchins_wk | I think that ftp.<CC>.debian.org does too. |
| 21:36.05 | SVNDR | ompaul, thank you |
| 21:36.06 | testswap | SVNDR: From root is fine |
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| 21:36.53 | jhutchins_wk | SVNDR: Or possibly lock their account until the issue is resolved. |
| 21:37.16 | SVNDR | All good, just a test run :) |
| 21:37.17 | Westonnnn | Just write a sed script #sed -i s/currentmirror/newmirror/g /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:37.19 | SVNDR | thanks again |
| 21:37.41 | testswap | ompaul: deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free RIght? |
| 21:38.51 | ompaul | testswap: then apt-get update |
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| 21:39.49 | testswap | alright |
| 21:41.20 | testswap | ompaul: I got some errors: http://pastebin.com/1CxUHpqA |
| 21:41.49 | ompaul | testswap: why have you got backports there? |
| 21:41.54 | ompaul | they don't exist in squeeze |
| 21:42.13 | testswap | I believe someone suggested for another problem I was having |
| 21:42.37 | ompaul | testswap: you left out lots of /debian/ in some cdn lines |
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| 21:43.34 | testswap | ompaul: http://pastebin.com/u2WpLavj |
| 21:44.11 | jhutchins_wk | ompaul: Um, squeeze has backports. |
| 21:44.35 | jhutchins_wk | ompaul: I think it's volitile that's gone, changed to squeeze-updates |
| 21:44.35 | ompaul | testswap: you use dotdeb |
| 21:44.38 | ompaul | it breaks |
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| 21:44.50 | ompaul | stuff and see what jhutchins_wk said correct on that point |
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| 21:45.31 | ompaul | testswap: you used dotdeb it will kill your box in strange and new unusual ways |
| 21:45.52 | testswap | ompaul: I have only one package from it which I need |
| 21:46.16 | ompaul | hash it out if it breaks nothing else you'll be happy and lucky |
| 21:46.17 | testswap | OTOH, I temporarily disabled dotdeb, the fetch errors still persist |
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| 21:46.28 | ompaul | testswap: give me three mins |
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| 21:48.57 | ompaul | testswap http://pastebin.com/P7CKw0mu |
| 21:50.38 | jhutchins_wk | testswap: There is almost certainly a better way to fix that need than dotdeb. |
| 21:51.57 | ompaul | testswap: try that with the hashed out dotdeb apt-get update && apt-get upgrade then tell us what you were looking for that you took the bad advice about dotdeb |
| 21:52.12 | testswap | jhutchins_wk: I think I ran into a problem compiling the package by hand and gave up on it .... |
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| 21:57.01 | ompaul | testswap use this http://pastebin.com/P7CKw0mu |
| 21:57.32 | testswap | That's what I have :) |
| 21:58.14 | ompaul | testswap: look again |
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| 22:02.01 | tonsofpcs | hey, looking for a way to automagically scan a hard disk (or other drive, floppy? cd? dvd? etc) for viruses upon attachment (either pre- or post-mount, I'm not picky). Anyone know of an existing solution? (If not, I figure it shouldn't be too hard with hotplugd) |
| 22:03.00 | jhutchins_wk | avg and clam both have a scan-on access daemon that could probably be adapted. |
| 22:03.06 | testswap | ompaul: I did |
| 22:03.55 | testswap | ompaul: I have backport commented, I'm going to leave it that way, I have no need for it |
| 22:04.46 | ompaul | right and you added in what then --- squeeze-updates? security is now done right |
| 22:04.50 | SVNDR | How do i adduser so that they cant use 'su' ? everytime i add a new user they are able to access root..i dont want that |
| 22:04.59 | ompaul | testswap: so you didn't bother to compare |
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| 22:06.11 | ompaul | SVNDR: have they all got roots password? |
| 22:06.17 | muzone | *AIRHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORN* |
| 22:06.24 | muzone | Any music producers around? Check out http://home.no/dwaynie/collabo/ |
| 22:06.36 | SVNDR | ompaul: No |
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| 22:08.17 | testswap | ompaul: I compared with I have on box with what you pasted |
| 22:08.24 | testswap | ompaul: and noted the differences |
| 22:08.36 | ompaul | testswap: updated at that point? |
| 22:08.46 | ompaul | SVNDR: so what exactly is the problem? |
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| 22:09.39 | SVNDR | ompaul, i want it to display an error msg when they try to use 'su' |
| 22:10.00 | testswap | ompaul: Yup, with backports commented with hash yup |
| 22:10.02 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, they don't know the root password, so why would that be a problem? |
| 22:10.08 | testswap | Right not sorting out a DNS issue |
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| 22:10.57 | SVNDR | thewanderer1, just something that id like to have setup, if its possible |
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| 22:11.10 | SVNDR | well i know its possible, just dont know how |
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| 22:11.27 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, you can use the wheel user group and PAM module wheel in /etc/pam.d/su |
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| 22:12.14 | thewanderer1 | Mr. Stallman wouldn't be happy, though :P |
| 22:12.48 | nvz | yes, this is the one case where you want to reinvent the wheel |
| 22:12.58 | ompaul | SVNDR: read this http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-security-4/prevent-users-from-running-su-317737/ |
| 22:13.12 | ompaul | SVNDR: note that if you do that you have to log in directly as root |
| 22:13.27 | ompaul | where that is what you described |
| 22:13.55 | ompaul | SVNDR: it is more normal to not let anyone remote log on as root |
| 22:14.04 | ompaul | only accounts which are on the box |
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| 22:14.40 | ompaul | testswap: care to give me the result of apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 22:15.39 | testswap | ompaul: I'm sorting out a DNS issue |
| 22:15.52 | haqe17 | Hello, I want to copy a video dvd. It is simple enough to do `cat /dev/dvd > image.iso` , then `cat image.iso > /dev/dvdrw` |
| 22:15.53 | testswap | ompaul: Nothing is being resolved atm |
| 22:16.38 | ompaul | testswap: it was when you were apt-get updating earlier so I guess you did something else since then that broke it |
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| 22:17.16 | ompaul | haqe17: I'd use k3b for that |
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| 22:18.21 | Fratyr | Hello. is there a way to change the default apt-get output? it's quite messy with a plain text, I like the way yum shows the installation process and found packages etc.. |
| 22:19.04 | ompaul | Fratyr: you have access to the source, please provide a patch to the makers of apt ;-) |
| 22:19.18 | ompaul | Fratyr: check out aptitude |
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| 22:19.26 | Fratyr | ompaul: well, I've asked if somebody else already did that |
| 22:19.27 | ompaul | Fratyr: but note this use aptitude or apt-get |
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| 22:19.31 | testswap | ompaul: THis isn't the box |
| 22:19.46 | testswap | ompaul: The ISP is DHCP me wrong DNS IPs |
| 22:19.58 | testswap | I'm waiting for them to resolve it |
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| 22:20.26 | testswap | Are give me the proper ones, this problem started about couple hours ago |
| 22:20.54 | ompaul | testswap: use 4.4.4.4 in your resolv.conf to sort it out until your guys sort it out |
| 22:21.19 | project2501a | wtf happened to collected? |
| 22:21.32 | ompaul | it went thataway ^^^ |
| 22:21.39 | testswap | ompaul: holdon |
| 22:21.42 | SVNDR | in /etc/pam.d/su i unncommented 'auth required pam_wheel.so group=root' how do i add myself to the group 'root' ? |
| 22:21.53 | haqe17 | ompaul: ompaul thnaks |
| 22:22.16 | ompaul | SVNDR: make a group wheel and add root to it |
| 22:22.26 | ompaul | SVNDR: very BSD of you |
| 22:22.33 | Woet | ompaul: use 4.4.4.4 so it all breaks? |
| 22:22.42 | SVNDR | ompaul, but how? lol |
| 22:22.44 | ompaul | Woet: is it gone away - |
| 22:22.47 | Woet | ompaul: it's 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 |
| 22:22.51 | ompaul | damn |
| 22:23.00 | ompaul | testswap: ^^ see what Woet said |
| 22:23.02 | Woet | or, 208.67.220.220 and 208.67.222.222 if you prefer opendns over google |
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| 22:23.18 | josh9 | s2disk never suspend my Wheezy laptop. I see: 'Looking for splash system...none. s2disk: Snapshotting system' and nothing happened. I have to shotdown my machine. I also tried adding /etc/suspend.conf with this content: resume device = /dev/sda5 but got the some result. (i looked at fdisk -l to find the swap). any ideas before I submit a bug report? |
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| 22:23.51 | testswap | ompaul: Ok .... |
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| 22:24.13 | jair | !jp |
| 22:24.13 | dpkg | Japanese speakers: please use #debianjp on irc.debian.or.jp or speak English here. |
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| 22:24.52 | mrfoobar | what do i do when boot-up process freezes to [ 7.23... ] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk |
| 22:25.07 | mrfoobar | it basically freezes after initramfs is done finding the devices |
| 22:25.29 | xperia2 | hi to all. small question. where can i find the package libapache2-mod-spdy |
| 22:25.31 | xperia2 | i want install this apache modul on my server but can not find it anywhere even it was suggested to be included in the package list |
| 22:25.33 | xperia2 | http://osdir.com/ml/general/2011-05/msg35325.html |
| 22:25.34 | mrfoobar | you can press keys and characters just pile up |
| 22:25.35 | xperia2 | and is availble as apache module |
| 22:25.44 | mrfoobar | and press enter to get newlines |
| 22:25.52 | Epyon22 | im new to using xen on squeeze i have successfully created a domu using xen-create-image and it was set not to boot after creation what is the command to boot it up? |
| 22:26.12 | cafuego | Epyon22: 'xm create domuname.cfg' |
| 22:26.15 | mrfoobar | usually you get busybox |
| 22:26.19 | mrfoobar | but im not getting even that |
| 22:26.20 | simonlnu | ,versions libapache2-mod-spdy |
| 22:26.21 | judd | No package named 'libapache2-mod-spdy' was found in i386. |
| 22:26.31 | cafuego | Epyon22: Have a look at the 'xm' manpage... you'll be using it a fair bit :-) |
| 22:26.34 | testswap | ompaul: http://pastebin.com/nwWCcXkq |
| 22:26.35 | simonlnu | ,versions --release=unstable libapache2-mod-spdy |
| 22:26.36 | judd | No package named '--release=unstable' was found in i386. |
| 22:26.37 | mrfoobar | i tried chrooting to the system and rebuilding initramfs |
| 22:26.39 | mrfoobar | that didn't help |
| 22:26.52 | simonlnu | ,versions libapache2-mod-spdy --release=sid |
| 22:26.52 | Epyon22 | cafuego: hmm maybe thats why dont have the xm command what package is that in? |
| 22:26.54 | judd | No package named 'libapache2-mod-spdy' was found in sid/i386. |
| 22:26.59 | cafuego | 'xm create -c foo.cfg' will show the console on the domU as it boots |
| 22:27.03 | testswap | wait |
| 22:27.05 | SVNDR | How do i add myself to a group wheel named 'root' ? |
| 22:27.19 | simonlnu | xperia2: you'll have to build it yourself it looks like |
| 22:27.21 | cafuego | Epyon22: xen-utils-common |
| 22:28.04 | xperia2 | simonlnuahhh that is pitty really. well okay at least i know what i should do |
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| 22:28.06 | mrfoobar | oh and its squeeze |
| 22:28.19 | cafuego | Oh hang on, that's the ubuntu en box. let me check squeeze |
| 22:28.26 | macrobat | SVNDR: wouldn't a group named wheel, be named wheel? |
| 22:28.30 | cafuego | Same. |
| 22:28.32 | Epyon22 | exit |
| 22:28.35 | mrfoobar | it freezes even before mounting root partition |
| 22:28.42 | Epyon22 | lol not my console |
| 22:28.47 | cafuego | heh |
| 22:28.47 | mrfoobar | so it doesn't even load up the kernel |
| 22:28.56 | mrfoobar | just hangs for ever |
| 22:29.06 | cafuego | Epyon22: 'xm list' to see running domUs and 'xm top' to get some CPU and IO stats |
| 22:29.08 | testswap | ompaul: http://pastebin.com/GgEqp85E |
| 22:29.19 | SVNDR | macrobat: well group 'root' then |
| 22:29.42 | SVNDR | macrobat: like this?: gpasswd -a <user-name> root |
| 22:29.50 | cafuego | SVNDR: adduser user root |
| 22:29.55 | Epyon22 | cafuego: figured out why i couldnt find it only root could run xm thanks for the help |
| 22:30.03 | simonlnu | not a good idea, i think |
| 22:30.10 | cafuego | Epyon22: Ah yes... sudo is helpful there. |
| 22:30.17 | SVNDR | cafuego: i want to add myself, not a new user |
| 22:30.23 | macrobat | why more than one root? |
| 22:30.26 | cafuego | SVNDR: so? |
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| 22:31.02 | cafuego | SVNDR: I didn't say that creates or adds a new user, did I? |
| 22:31.04 | jhutchins_wk | SVNDR: Nobody but root should be in root. |
| 22:31.07 | ompaul | testswap: paste the sources.list again |
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| 22:31.50 | riadh | hi, |
| 22:32.31 | ompaul | testswap: forget that - note that the cdn entries need to be .net |
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| 22:33.13 | riadh | I made a fresh install of the lastest version of debian on a new server, but when I boot, it goes directly to grub command line (bash-like). I need to type exit to go to the grub menu and then debian starts. Any idea of how I can fix that? |
| 22:33.30 | PerfDave | riadh: Sounds like install-grub again? |
| 22:33.48 | SVNDR | Now i cant log out of root with 'exit' |
| 22:34.00 | simonlnu | riadh: what's the message when it does that? and yeh maybe running grub-install will help |
| 22:34.26 | riadh | i'll try grub-install. There is no message... |
| 22:34.31 | riadh | no error. |
| 22:35.31 | mrfoobar | i mean what the hell are you supposed to do when booting freezes without any error messages and without busybox?? |
| 22:35.41 | mrfoobar | its a dead end |
| 22:36.15 | nvz | whats the last thing that happens? |
| 22:36.20 | testswap | ompaul: That was fixed |
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| 22:36.26 | testswap | ompaul: See the lastest paste |
| 22:36.58 | mrfoobar | nvz: usb devices and disks get recognized |
| 22:37.01 | ompaul | testswap: url please |
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| 22:37.30 | mrfoobar | and it doesn't freeze |
| 22:37.36 | mrfoobar | you can still scroll the scrollback |
| 22:37.56 | mrfoobar | it doesn't stop to anything particular |
| 22:38.04 | Owner_ | bad drive |
| 22:38.15 | mrfoobar | it stops after recognizing the devices |
| 22:38.20 | mrfoobar | what do you mean bad drive |
| 22:38.38 | Owner_ | bad drive or corrupted partition table maybe? |
| 22:38.41 | mrfoobar | i just had it mounted and was fiddling with the boot generating scripts |
| 22:38.50 | ompaul | testswap: your sources.list file you have entries in there cdn. ... and they in end in org that needs to be net |
| 22:38.54 | mrfoobar | extlinux-update and update-initramfs |
| 22:38.59 | mrfoobar | it works and gets detected |
| 22:39.02 | mrfoobar | and the partitions get detected |
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| 22:40.13 | Owner_ | mrfoobar| so is it still the kernel or is it init that freezes? |
| 22:40.20 | mrfoobar | init |
| 22:40.28 | Owner_ | ok how far does it get |
| 22:40.39 | mrfoobar | usb/storage initialization |
| 22:40.42 | nvz | mrfoobar: is the root filesystem mounted? |
| 22:40.47 | mrfoobar | no |
| 22:40.51 | mrfoobar | it doesn't get that far |
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| 22:41.04 | Owner_ | ok so... |
| 22:41.12 | Owner_ | what usb devices do yo uhave |
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| 22:41.18 | mrfoobar | a bunch |
| 22:41.20 | nvz | mrfoobar: have you tried passing a root= parameter using a normal device name overriding the UUID? |
| 22:41.33 | mrfoobar | nvz: im using normal device name /dev/mapper/cryptroot |
| 22:41.41 | testswap | ompaul: http://pastebin.com/GgEqp85E |
| 22:41.57 | mrfoobar | but crypto hook isn't even executed before it freezes |
| 22:42.05 | mrfoobar | it should ask me the password |
| 22:42.16 | Owner_ | nvz| maybe you should unplug some of the usb drives...and see which one is the problem |
| 22:42.28 | mrfoobar | well i guess i could try that |
| 22:42.33 | Owner_ | it could help at least |
| 22:42.42 | mrfoobar | but it doesn't looks like any of the USB stuff would be the reason |
| 22:43.00 | Owner_ | well what else do you have to try :) |
| 22:43.05 | mrfoobar | well nothing |
| 22:43.19 | Owner_ | either come up with things to troubleshoot or bash your head against the wall and give up... |
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| 22:43.33 | mrfoobar | no i think if that doesn't work im really fucked |
| 22:43.46 | mrfoobar | i need to get like some debug version of initramfs? |
| 22:43.50 | mrfoobar | does such thing even exist |
| 22:44.10 | Owner_ | you can boot with a cd and work on your system that way |
| 22:44.17 | mrfoobar | i know i just did that |
| 22:44.18 | Owner_ | if you have the crypt key somewhere |
| 22:44.27 | mrfoobar | Owner_: on a passdev |
| 22:44.37 | mrfoobar | but it would say it is waiting for a passdev |
| 22:44.39 | mrfoobar | and timeout |
| 22:44.46 | mrfoobar | i think... |
| 22:44.55 | Owner_ | could be |
| 22:45.09 | Owner_ | maybe your forgot a module in your initramfs |
| 22:45.10 | mrfoobar | well i will try changing my crypttab |
| 22:45.16 | mrfoobar | its automatic |
| 22:45.18 | Owner_ | k |
| 22:45.25 | Owner_ | good idea |
| 22:45.34 | mrfoobar | update-initramfs calculates them automagically |
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| 22:45.55 | mrfoobar | wouldn't be the first time cryptsetup scripts brake booting... u_u |
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| 22:46.26 | SVNDR | root@debian:/home/svndr# userdel sspshells |
| 22:46.27 | SVNDR | userdel: user sspshells is currently logged in |
| 22:46.33 | ompaul | testswap: so that's working - now apt-get upgrade |
| 22:46.56 | mrfoobar | i just hate how much time it takes to boot to a live usb linux, initialize device mappers, mount everything and chroot to your system |
| 22:47.12 | mrfoobar | and then when you reboot and if it doesn't work you have to do it all over again |
| 22:47.12 | ompaul | testswap: what was the dotdeb thing you really "needed" |
| 22:47.35 | mrfoobar | its a horrible time consuming process |
| 22:47.36 | ompaul | mrfoobar: try doing that with windows ;-) |
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| 22:48.10 | mrfoobar | well, yeah, at least we can :p |
| 22:48.27 | ompaul | small price |
| 22:48.30 | project2501a | wtf? |
| 22:48.51 | project2501a | there's a package in lenny/squeeze/sid but not in wheezy>? |
| 22:48.58 | Owner_ | i dont know why you would run your os off usb... |
| 22:49.04 | ompaul | project2501a: read the bug reports |
| 22:49.07 | Owner_ | what is wheezy |
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| 22:49.34 | ompaul | Owner_: something that happens when you smoke, or debian's testing branch not stable |
| 22:49.36 | project2501a | Owner_: i got a $450 usb drive |
| 22:49.51 | project2501a | usb3 , 120gb |
| 22:50.00 | project2501a | why would i not want to run my os from there? |
| 22:50.53 | ompaul | SVNDR: pkill -u sspshells |
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| 22:51.31 | ompaul | SVNDR: you must make them log out first then |
| 22:51.34 | ompaul | SVNDR: pkill -u sspshells && userdel sspshells |
| 22:51.44 | thewanderer1 | project2501a, things like removal from testing (while keeping in stable and sid) happen very often due to unsatisfiable build-deps or runtime deps |
| 22:51.45 | mrfoobar | Owner_: well i tried unhooking all usb devices and now it just freezes earlier because there are no USB devices to initialize |
| 22:51.54 | Owner_ | project2501a| i dunno...i run my os off a raid 1 array |
| 22:52.09 | mrfoobar | so guess ill be trying to change my crypttab to something really basic and build a new initramfs with that |
| 22:52.15 | mrfoobar | and see if that works |
| 22:52.40 | Owner_ | mrfoobar| good luck |
| 22:52.48 | SVNDR | ompaul: they are logged out, the pkill command isnt working |
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| 22:53.13 | SVNDR | i do ps aux and there are still processes running from that user |
| 22:53.43 | project2501a | thewanderer1: but i thought that all testing for unsatisfiable build-deps or runtime reps happen in sid? |
| 22:53.45 | PerfDave | slay |
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| 22:53.58 | SVNDR | root@debian:/home/svndr# pkill -u sspshells && userdel sspshells |
| 22:53.58 | SVNDR | userdel: user sspshells is currently logged in |
| 22:54.03 | mrfoobar | actually i found it faster than that |
| 22:54.09 | thewanderer1 | project2501a, haha, nope, sid is actually often more consistent than Wheezy :P |
| 22:54.10 | mrfoobar | it was the passdev |
| 22:54.39 | mrfoobar | USB cable was CUT so passdev wasn't being seen by the system |
| 22:54.43 | ompaul | SVNDR: ps auwx | grep sspshells | cut -c"10-15" | xargs kill -9 |
| 22:54.58 | mrfoobar | and im gonna be sending some angry bugreport because of this |
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| 22:55.22 | project2501a | gah |
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| 22:55.27 | thewanderer1 | project2501a, while there is some preliminary lint and dependency testing etc. on sid import, the migrations to testing are *very* non-atomic |
| 22:55.47 | project2501a | that's not good, hackers |
| 22:56.12 | SVNDR | ompaul, still not deleting |
| 22:56.15 | ompaul | project2501a: choice is yours, stable, testing, unstable testing is not stable you know this |
| 22:56.21 | ompaul | SVNDR: you are root |
| 22:56.21 | barxool | Hi. I have a disk with 2 partitions /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2, i would like to delete /dev/sda1 and and extend the /dev/sda2 partition to the whole disk (including the ext3 filesystem on it). Is it even possible ? |
| 22:56.22 | ompaul | ? |
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| 22:56.28 | SVNDR | ompaul, yes |
| 22:56.33 | mrfoobar | the damn cryptoscript waits for a passdev device without priting any info about it u_u |
| 22:56.35 | mrfoobar | and forever |
| 22:56.38 | project2501a | ompaul: stable does not have gcc 4.6 :P |
| 22:56.49 | ompaul | !tell project2501a about sns |
| 22:56.57 | ompaul | project2501a: you know all this |
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| 22:57.05 | project2501a | ompaul: lol! |
| 22:57.08 | PerfDave | barxool: Yes, but best done from a LiveCD or similar |
| 22:57.14 | barxool | the problem is that partitionning/formatting tools seems to not support "backward extending" of partitions and FS |
| 22:57.19 | PerfDave | barxool: And best done with LVM in th emiddle |
| 22:57.44 | PerfDave | barxool: Delete /dev/sda1, migrate /dev/sda2 to the start of the disk, extend /dev/sda2 to the whole of the disk, move the filesystme. |
| 22:57.46 | ompaul | SVNDR: ps auwx | grep sspshells | cut -c"10-15" then kill -9 that list as root |
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| 22:58.31 | barxool | PerfDave> " migrate /dev/sda2 to the start of the disk" <- this is the part where i'm stuck. What tool should i use ? |
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| 22:59.32 | SVNDR | root@debian:~# kill -9 10939 |
| 22:59.32 | SVNDR | bash: kill: (10939) - No such process |
| 22:59.50 | ompaul | SVNDR: you can do it like kill -9 nn nnn nnn nnnn nnn nn n nn |
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| 23:00.07 | ompaul | SVNDR: then either you killed the parent process for it and it died |
| 23:00.11 | riadh | simonlnu, PerfDave, thank you, grub-install worked. |
| 23:00.17 | PerfDave | barxool: gparted should do it? |
| 23:00.20 | ompaul | SVNDR: or it was a typo |
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| 23:00.41 | SVNDR | root@debian:~# ps auwx | grep sspshells | cut -c"10-15" |
| 23:00.41 | SVNDR | 10939 |
| 23:01.01 | ompaul | SVNDR: and it won't die - is it a zombie? |
| 23:01.08 | ompaul | paste it here (just one line) |
| 23:01.10 | SVNDR | i think so |
| 23:01.25 | SVNDR | paste what? |
| 23:01.34 | babilen | SVNDR: You know pgrep? |
| 23:01.51 | SVNDR | not completely |
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| 23:02.36 | babilen | SVNDR: Just thought that you can get rid of two pipes in the earlier command (I am not entirely sure if it is equivalent though) |
| 23:03.10 | SVNDR | ompaul: paste what? |
| 23:03.27 | ompaul | SVNDR: ps auwx | grep sspshells |
| 23:03.56 | ompaul | SVNDR: only one line in irc many lines on paste.debian.net |
| 23:04.18 | SVNDR | ill pastebin |
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| 23:04.36 | SVNDR | http://pastebin.com/fV3BXtiW |
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| 23:04.50 | ompaul | babilen: yeah I suppose so pgrep -u sspshells would give me the same output |
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| 23:05.34 | SVNDR | ompaul sorry rong paste.. |
| 23:05.41 | ompaul | SVNDR: ok |
| 23:05.50 | SVNDR | http://pastebin.com/m9Cwyd9f |
| 23:05.58 | SVNDR | thats the right one |
| 23:06.01 | ompaul | SVNDR: wny not use paste.debian.net? ;- |
| 23:06.02 | ompaul | :-) |
| 23:06.03 | I_Died_Once | I have an idea for an installer feature if anyone wants to take note..... instead of choosing from a list of mirrors, have an option to let netselect-apt pick one for you based on your current connection |
| 23:06.22 | I_Died_Once | save unneccesary download time |
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| 23:06.50 | ompaul | SVNDR: kill -9 10951 |
| 23:06.57 | barxool | PerfDave> indeed, gparted can do it |
| 23:06.58 | SVNDR | got it ;) |
| 23:07.46 | SVNDR | cheers heaps ompaul.. your right bout it being a zombie but |
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| 23:08.48 | ompaul | SVNDR: if it is not dead but a zombie and that does not work then you have exactly one other thing you can do reboot |
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| 23:09.57 | SVNDR | ompaul, well i was thinking var/run/utmp re-touch |
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| 23:11.00 | kW_ | Hello! Is there a tool which makes it possible to list the amount of remaining PIDs available? |
| 23:11.08 | ompaul | SVNDR: do it and then say whatever |
| 23:11.34 | ompaul | kW_: there are exactly the amount that are not in use from the 65k it round robins and every time you look you change stuff |
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| 23:12.18 | kW_ | ompaul: well, usually, only the space between 300 and 32768 is usable |
| 23:12.35 | kW_ | ompaul: and I do not need the exact amount, just a rough guess |
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| 23:13.01 | PerfDave | ompaul: 32k in most Debian kernels, no? |
| 23:13.23 | ompaul | PerfDave: perhaps I use boxes with 65k where I care but mostly I don't |
| 23:15.08 | kW_ | well, I had situations where I got "-bash: fork: Cannot allocate memory" on every command I issued |
| 23:15.21 | kW_ | so I need to monitor pid usage |
| 23:15.50 | ompaul | kW_: use something to look at the numbers in /proc/ |
| 23:15.52 | PerfDave | kW_: That doesn't sound like you've run out of PIDs |
| 23:16.01 | PerfDave | kW_: That sounds like you've run out of memory |
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| 23:16.06 | ompaul | kW_: and I'd agree with PerfDave |
| 23:16.45 | kW_ | PerfDave: I had 20GB free memory left at that time |
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| 23:17.01 | kW_ | ompaul: does /proc/ contain PIDs for threads? |
| 23:17.04 | PerfDave | kW_: Were you running a 32-bit, non-PAE kernel? :) |
| 23:17.29 | kW_ | PerfDave: I was running "2.6.38-2-amd64" |
| 23:17.34 | ompaul | cat /proc/sys/kernel/pid_max |
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| 23:17.46 | kW_ | 32768 |
| 23:17.48 | kW_ | here we go |
| 23:18.00 | ompaul | kW_: all pids are pids there is only one pid table |
| 23:18.11 | kW_ | maybe I should increase this (can I increase this?) |
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| 23:19.31 | PerfDave | kW_: Not without a reboot, possibly not without a kernel recompile? Try asking ##linux. |
| 23:19.37 | kW_ | "ls -1 /proc/ | grep '^[0-9]' | wc -l" yields "5151" currently |
| 23:19.46 | PerfDave | Urgh |
| 23:19.59 | vip931 | we need to shrink partition before running debian installer? |
| 23:20.01 | PerfDave | So wrong |
| 23:20.12 | kW_ | ? |
| 23:21.43 | I_Died_Once | no, i only mean to use netselect-apt to pick a mirror to install from as an option to go with the list you can pick from manually |
| 23:21.56 | I_Died_Once | during that part of the installation process |
| 23:22.01 | ompaul | kW_: may I ask why you are running out of pids what are you running that is keeping sessions open so much (and an ugly hack involves the file sysctl.conf (maybe in squeeze not 100% certain about that) |
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| 23:22.48 | kW_ | ompaul: well, this is a database server and an app (multiple instances of that app are running, each can have many threads) |
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| 23:24.17 | PerfDave | PIDS=(/proc/[1-9]*); echo ${#PIDS[*]} |
| 23:24.45 | ompaul | kW_: this should be tested (i.e. I have not tested it) sysctl -w kernel.pid_max=4194303 ; add this to sysctl.conf kernel.pid_max = 4194303 note also it is the case that if you ran out of ram already you really will run out of ram in this case |
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| 23:25.24 | _ramo | hey there |
| 23:26.11 | _ramo | after i install apache2 and php5 and create a index.php file with the phpinfo(); function, i always get a download prompt for this php file |
| 23:26.17 | _ramo | that's on debian squeeze |
| 23:26.19 | ompaul | kW_: also I would do low and partial multiples of the 32768 to be hones |
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| 23:26.35 | dxtr | Okay guys. I installed squeeze, 2.6.38 from backports |
| 23:26.38 | _ramo | what am i missing? i've installed apache2 libapache2-mod-fcgid php5-cgi |
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| 23:26.42 | dxtr | And now when I boot the screen turns white |
| 23:26.44 | dxtr | Just... white |
| 23:26.45 | dxtr | Why? |
| 23:26.57 | dxtr | No X or something |
| 23:26.59 | dxtr | It just turns white |
| 23:27.05 | kW_ | ompaul: thank you |
| 23:27.15 | dxtr | Okay.. More like.. White and black with some noise |
| 23:27.24 | ompaul | kW_: note the warning run it on not production first |
| 23:27.27 | dxtr | Can't see any text or anything |
| 23:27.47 | ompaul | kW_: when the box is down any chance you can add more ram? |
| 23:27.54 | PerfDave | dxtr: And this didn't happen with the squeeze proper kernel? |
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| 23:28.18 | dxtr | PerfDave: No |
| 23:28.24 | dxtr | PerfDave: But it does happen when I upgrade to testing too |
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| 23:32.03 | nickermire | how do i check hard drive space in the command line |
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| 23:32.16 | dxtr | nickermire: df -h |
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| 23:32.33 | nickermire | thanks |
| 23:32.43 | PerfDave | lvs |
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| 23:33.34 | dxtr | I would prefer to not turn off KMS because I'd like to run X :P |
| 23:34.42 | kW_ | ompaul: well, it has 96GiB RAM and it is maxed out... but there will be a new box in about 1..2 weeks, with more RAM |
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| 23:35.40 | kW_ | ompaul: I also think that the spikes in threads are only symptoms for spikes in "unsmoothness" of the database or IO subsystem |
| 23:36.04 | ompaul | kW_: maybe but the lack of ram is the message not a lack of pids |
| 23:36.35 | ompaul | kW_: for fun paste "free" into paste.debian.net |
| 23:37.03 | ompaul | best I've done is maxed out 16gigs with 32 swap for half an hour |
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| 23:40.49 | dchilton | hi. i need to build the 'con2fbmap' utility. a search, http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=con2fbmap, takes me to: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/fbset. |
| 23:40.54 | pyou | During debian squeeze installation, i only see SCSI(0,0,0) ATA ST9500... Would selecting that erase my C drive? I intend to have debian installed on D drive. |
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| 23:41.03 | dchilton | i dl the source for fbset pkg there, but find not trace of con2fbmap. can someone help me track down the utility's source? |
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| 23:47.10 | dxtr | How can I start a display manager on start? |
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| 23:52.39 | Gremuchnik | Hi, I have a package already installed, but I want to fetch just the *deb file from the repos and copy it to a flash drive without affecting my installed package in any way. What is the syntax with apt-get to ONLY download a *deb package? thanks |
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| 23:54.51 | Epyon22 | Gremuchnik: apt-get -d install PACKAGENAME |
| 23:55.42 | Gremuchnik | thanks Epyon22 !! |
| 23:55.44 | Gremuchnik | cheers |
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| 23:56.17 | I_Died_Once | can someone like me to a decent guide on how to secure my debian squeeze system? |
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| 23:56.35 | rjcks | or apt-get download PKG |
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| 23:56.49 | dxtr | Would I be able to run the proprietary ATI drivers without KMS? |
| 23:57.24 | Dev0n | what's a good bw monitioring app ? |
| 23:58.20 | Muhammad | Dev0n, cacti is a pretty good tool , and has alot of plugins |
| 23:59.37 | nvz | dxtr: I'm not an ATI person but I would think if you got them upstream you could. Are you on linux 3.x? |
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