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| 00:05.50 | dxtr | nvz: No. Right now I'm on 2.6.38. Trying to find a kernel that works with both my GPU (Radeon HD 6310) and my wlan (AR9485) |
| 00:06.16 | dxtr | The latest kernel hangs hangs when I connect to a wlan network |
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| 00:06.54 | jhutchins_lt | dxtr: .38 is not a Debian kernel. |
| 00:07.22 | jhutchins_lt | dxtr: Not a current one anyway. What are you actually running? |
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| 00:07.32 | dxtr | jhutchins_lt: A kernel from backports |
| 00:07.56 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 00:07.57 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.6-1); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.5-1); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
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| 00:08.47 | jhutchins_lt | dxtr: .38 had problems, try .39 |
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| 00:09.14 | dxtr | jhutchins_lt: Sure |
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| 00:11.51 | Dev0n | thanks Muhammad |
| 00:11.56 | Dev0n | I'm looking for accuracy more than anything |
| 00:12.00 | Dev0n | does cacti deliever on that ? |
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| 00:13.05 | Chelsea_ | Finally, Xmonad with padding, gnome-terminal over ssh, automatic mounting of files, and everywhere transparency... life is beautiful. |
| 00:13.28 | Muhammad | dev0n, most of the tools are depending on rrdtool, you won't get the 100% accuracy :), but cacti is almost good and stable, also there are some plugins around that you can reduce the interval for getting real time measurements |
| 00:13.46 | Muhammad | around 5 seconds |
| 00:13.49 | Dev0n | is it simple to get going ? |
| 00:14.00 | Dev0n | because bwm-ng was pretty straight forward |
| 00:14.10 | Dev0n | looking for console app too btw |
| 00:14.15 | Dev0n | none of the graph stuff |
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| 00:14.26 | Muhammad | hmm cacti is a web-based tool |
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| 00:14.46 | Dev0n | oh :( |
| 00:14.49 | Muhammad | so you will do some stuff , working from command line if you would like to get the latest |
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| 00:15.44 | Muhammad | i think you can find it in the repository i'm not sure, i used it some while ago ( 2 years ago :) ) |
| 00:16.17 | Dev0n | k |
| 00:16.33 | dxtr | jhutchins_lt: Still no luck :P |
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| 00:19.49 | Secret | likes Debian |
| 00:21.30 | PerfDave | It's no Secret! |
| 00:22.00 | Secret | No is invisible. |
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| 00:24.25 | Some_Person | I wonder if there's any way to stream audio over bluetooth to my Debian box |
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| 00:25.01 | Wizbang | Hello, trying to remove and reinstall a package that is leaving on config files behind using dpkg --remove. is there a way to get it to delete all the files? |
| 00:25.19 | daemonkeeper | purge. |
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| 00:27.02 | Secret | Wizbang - "dpkg --configure -a" |
| 00:27.08 | unkmar | Some_Person: quite possibly, what would you be streaming from? |
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| 00:27.13 | Tordek | hi |
| 00:27.24 | Some_Person | unkmar: A phone |
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| 00:28.44 | Tordek | I'm playing with Debian Hurd. is there some way to install ghc6? if I try to apt-get install, I get "ghc6 6.8.2dfsg1-1+hurd.1 [Not candidate version]" |
| 00:29.48 | PerfDave | Tordek: I think there's a specifically Hurd-related channel which might be more use |
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| 00:30.17 | Tordek | cool, thanks |
| 00:30.19 | nvz | !hurd |
| 00:30.19 | dpkg | GNU Hurd (<HIRD> of Unix-Replacing Daemons) is a POSIX-compatible collection of servers which run on the Mach microkernel. It is the GNU project's replacement for the Unix kernel. http://hurd.gnu.org/ #hurd on irc.freenode.net. For the Debian GNU/Hurd port (not officially released), see http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ #debian-hurd on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 00:45.48 | kd0 | Does anyone know whether the Apple Magic Mouse works with Debian? |
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| 00:54.44 | kd0 | Looks like it does. |
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| 00:55.29 | calamari | hi.. I was upgrading a package with a config file conflict. it asked whether I wanted to keep the config or replace, and I chose to keep my existing when I really wanted to replace it. I'm wondering if there is a command I can use to have it ask me again |
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| 00:57.06 | josh9 | i want to mount my sansa. i insert the usb but don't know what device is it on. what should i give pmount based on my dmesg and fdisk -l : http://paste.debian.net/150345/ ? |
| 00:58.47 | waka | calamari: look for the specific version of the package you just installed and downgrade to it |
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| 00:59.12 | nvz | josh9: screw fdisk -l, you just plugged the device in look at the tail end of dmesg |
| 00:59.17 | waka | I believe that file is in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 00:59.52 | calamari | waka: I'm not sure thats possible.. I dont think that package is available anymore |
| 01:00.32 | waka | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.22 | waka | you can force install or downgrade whatever dependencies you might get conflicted with |
| 01:01.49 | dondelelcaro | waka: uh, no. |
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| 01:01.54 | waka | but that's just my way of thinking, if there are too many conflicts then I'm not sure if you want that |
| 01:02.03 | dondelelcaro | calamari: generally speaking, the new configuration file is in fooconfig.dpkg-new |
| 01:02.13 | waka | which package is this? |
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| 01:02.39 | dondelelcaro | calamari: otherwise, you can unpack the package and manually replace the configuration filee |
| 01:02.42 | waka | yes dondelelcaro that's the file you're after |
| 01:03.03 | waka | what about dependencies? |
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| 01:03.23 | dondelelcaro | waka: there are no dependencies if you manually unpack a package |
| 01:03.49 | dondelelcaro | you'd unpack them to a temporary location, grab the configuration file, and use cp, then remove the temporary location |
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| 01:03.53 | waka | so he's only gonna touch the config file |
| 01:03.55 | waka | okey |
| 01:04.22 | calamari | hmm I just had a thought.. the package is probably grub or a kernel (the file was menu.lst) |
| 01:04.23 | calamari | so maybe if I re-run something in grub it'll regenerate the menu.lst |
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| 01:04.36 | dondelelcaro | calamari: menu.lst isn't a conffile |
| 01:04.44 | dondelelcaro | calamari: are you using grub2? or grub1? |
| 01:04.47 | waka | it's autogenerated |
| 01:05.16 | tharkun | What would be an early sign of router failure? I've been having some isues with a node on the local network |
| 01:05.24 | calamari | grub 0.97 |
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| 01:05.47 | dondelelcaro | calamari: just run update-grub; iirc, and the menu.lst will be regenerated |
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| 01:06.11 | calamari | dondelelcaro: thanks! |
| 01:06.40 | dondelelcaro | calamari: though you probably will want to upgrade to the new version of grub soonish |
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| 01:06.46 | waka | that's right |
| 01:06.53 | waka | but upgrade if possible |
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| 01:07.25 | calamari | dondelelcaro: thanks a lot! that worked |
| 01:07.42 | waka | you've got a new grub.cfg |
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| 01:08.54 | dondelelcaro | calamari: np |
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| 01:24.33 | skvir | hi |
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| 01:30.26 | josh9 | nvz: u were right. i used mount. what's is wrong with pmount |
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| 01:37.40 | debiannewbie | I have a question about debian installation in general |
| 01:38.22 | dondelelcaro | debiannewbie: best to just ask |
| 01:38.30 | somiaj | debiannewbie: what is your question? Have you read though the install manual? |
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| 01:41.05 | nickermire | If YOU were to setup a file server what setup or protocol would give you the faster transfer speeds |
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| 01:42.04 | hikenboot1 | anyone able to help with the following error fatal: Not a git repository after tryingto do a git checkout 5f6c14b |
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| 01:42.46 | thewanderer1 | hikenboot1, well, it probably happens because you're not in a git repository! |
| 01:42.50 | hikenboot1 | I am trying to set my zfs download to a certain point in the tree that is compatable with my platform |
| 01:43.30 | nickermire | If YOU were to setup a file server what setup or protocol would give you the faster transfer speeds? |
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| 01:44.13 | hikenboot1 | thewanderer1: you are right I just realized the last time i donwloaded the zfs using wget not the repository...stupid me..thanks |
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| 01:45.44 | raz | hmm |
| 01:45.55 | raz | has anyone seen this build error on squeeze before? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=625025 |
| 01:45.56 | thewanderer1 | nickermire, "the faster" implies that you're expecting us to select from a pre-defined set... what protocols are you limiting this to? |
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| 01:46.24 | raz | i'm a bit confused about this biting me on squeeze and the fix only being available for sid |
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| 01:47.27 | nickermire | hmmm |
| 01:47.35 | raz | fwiw, it breaks the redis build |
| 01:47.42 | raz | related: https://github.com/antirez/redis/issues/143 |
| 01:47.48 | nickermire | NFS, sftp, ftp, samba |
| 01:48.00 | nickermire | more but i don't know of any |
| 01:48.53 | thewanderer1 | nickermire, NFS is the fastest of them, but you need a low-latency link since I think it linearizes request/response cycles |
| 01:49.07 | thewanderer1 | if you're below 5ms, it should work really fine |
| 01:49.15 | debiannewbie | Should i shrink C or D drive before debian installation? |
| 01:49.43 | thewanderer1 | debiannewbie, you tell us... |
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| 01:50.03 | kingsley | Which meta search engine, if any, understands advanced boolean queries, like Google's? |
| 01:50.42 | nickermire | So NFS would be great for a home network... |
| 01:51.01 | nickermire | between windows machines and the linux file server |
| 01:54.54 | paijo | i think maybe samba better for cross windows and linux :) |
| 01:55.00 | somiaj | nickermire: I'd use samba if you have windows machines if you want to use its native file sharing capabilities (unsure how well nfs works in windows) |
| 01:55.26 | nickermire | alright |
| 01:55.49 | nickermire | just seems silly how fast you can download stuff from the web, but then get slow speeds from a local file server |
| 01:57.17 | nevyn | somiaj: it doesn't |
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| 01:58.06 | somiaj | nevyn: yea I wasn't sure if there wasn't some third party software you could install for it. |
| 01:58.24 | nevyn | so there's SFU but it's SNAFU |
| 01:58.51 | nvz | something I've been wondering about lately as I know nothing about video streaming and tried experimenting with VLC and couldnt get video playing on one machine to play on the other no matter what I did. But is there some way at least over a LAN to have a synchronized video playing on two machines? |
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| 02:02.32 | nvz | ah apparently they have a netsync plugin.. all I gotta do is learn how to actually stream |
| 02:02.53 | hikenboot1 | thewanderer1: thanks so much you made my day figuring out the bredth and domain of my stupidity trying to do git checkout on zipped copies of the repository instead of the repository...oh my god do i feel stupid |
| 02:02.56 | nvz | apparently it doesnt work like i thought.. you dont just stream from one VLC to another.. has to be some kind of server inbetween |
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| 02:03.41 | thewanderer1 | hikenboot1, git over it :) |
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| 02:06.22 | hikenboot1 | I was sitting there editing code against the issues i was finding and the whole time i just wasnt cloning it right...sigh |
| 02:08.02 | nevyn | it depends how tightly integrated the machiens need to be. |
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| 02:34.32 | silvertip257 | I installed Debian via preseed and used a crypto disk layout. I would like to add a keyfile and get it to mount on boot without asking for a passphrase ... I've managed to add the LUKS key and I've tried rebuilding the initramfs (though I get an error regarding cryptsetup and my device using a keyfile). |
| 02:35.29 | silvertip257 | ^ How can I effectively utilize the keyfile? I figure all I'm missing is the support in my initramfs (for using the keyfile). |
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| 02:36.56 | SVNDR | Can somebody help with this please -- http://pastebin.com/dSABd9hg |
| 02:37.06 | edbian | How can I get a list of running services? ps -e shows all processes, I just wanna see running services |
| 02:37.23 | SVNDR | edbian: ps aux |
| 02:37.30 | ham5 | just do what it says SVNDR you need the tcl -dev files |
| 02:37.31 | edbian | SVNDR, that's the same as ps -e |
| 02:37.48 | SVNDR | edbian, oh.. lol |
| 02:37.52 | edbian | yeah |
| 02:38.03 | SVNDR | edbian, i done apt-get install tcl |
| 02:38.18 | ham5 | also tcl-dev.. |
| 02:38.30 | SVNDR | ok thanks |
| 02:38.52 | edbian | I'll just nmap myself |
| 02:39.21 | ham5 | you want to see listing ports? netstat -tl |
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| 02:39.45 | silvertip257 | edbian: netstat? |
| 02:40.05 | edbian | mmm, nmap is already done and answered my question :) |
| 02:40.18 | edbian | (Am I running any dns service?) answer: now |
| 02:40.20 | edbian | no* |
| 02:40.23 | silvertip257 | netstat isn't network intensive, but ok ;) |
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| 02:51.01 | crosswalk | Can someone explain a practical application of chroot? The man page doesn't really give me much insight on why I would want to use it. |
| 02:51.03 | edbian | When creating a new zone file where should it be stored? |
| 02:51.22 | edbian | crosswalk, you might chroot the ftp server process |
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| 02:52.22 | nvz | crosswalk: there are essentially two uses for a chroot, one is to jail a process in a sort of sandbox the other while similar is less about security and more about creating a particular environment different from the host system |
| 02:53.15 | nvz | crosswalk: for example you could use debootstrap to create a testing and an unstable chroot on a stable machine and run three different versions of the same app all on the same system with different libs |
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| 02:54.13 | crosswalk | nvz: It sounds to me like it just makes a different path of execution, right? |
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| 02:55.03 | nvz | crosswalk: when you issue a chroot command with a path, that path becomes the rootdir for any process running within the chroot |
| 02:56.02 | crosswalk | nvz: Trying to absorb this. Mind's being blown right now. |
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| 03:16.24 | robysath | debian install says missing firmware for my network card but the install i am doing is using the firmware iso!! |
| 03:16.32 | robysath | any ideas? |
| 03:17.56 | Epyon22 | i have a physcal computer that i converted to a vm (vmdk) to a raw img file and im trying to boot it on my xen server the error i get is"Error: Boot loader didn't return any data!" i figure this is because standard grub is still installed how can i install pygrub on it? |
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| 03:23.23 | derric | How do I can the color depth in squeeze? |
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| 03:29.33 | robysath | derric: if this is for xorg then i believe it detects your hardware capabilities on start and selects the max |
| 03:30.00 | robysath | derric: are you trying to decrease or increase? |
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| 03:38.42 | SVNDR | what command can i use to show only background processes? |
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| 03:42.14 | sakal | _SVNDR, do you mean "jobs" ? |
| 03:42.41 | _SVNDR | yes |
| 03:42.45 | _SVNDR | i guess lol |
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| 03:45.58 | SVNDR | ? |
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| 03:50.20 | derric | robysath: I am trying to set 24 bit color depth. I lack any idea what is being used now. I get a GLX resource err when I try to run a amp I want. The man for that said try 24 bit color. |
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| 03:52.30 | SVNDR | what command can i use to show only background processes? |
| 03:52.55 | ham5 | whats a backround process? |
| 03:53.16 | SVNDR | such as, a IRCd server running |
| 03:53.33 | ham5 | why is that backround process? |
| 03:53.48 | SVNDR | i dont know.. why not |
| 03:54.17 | SVNDR | what would you call it |
| 03:54.19 | ham5 | its a process ... |
| 03:54.39 | ham5 | a running app |
| 03:54.46 | simonlnu | you can't really tell that by ps; that said, it could be said that any process that's running independent of a terminal is a background process. |
| 03:55.21 | nvz | simonlnu: why can't you? |
| 03:55.56 | nvz | jobs shows background processes in a particular shell and ps will show what he's calling background processes |
| 03:56.02 | SVNDR | ok well i used to be with a provider who had an MOTD thats showed up when you logged into SSH, it showed how many "background" proccesses were running |
| 03:56.08 | nvz | because ps does show the tty attachment, all you need is grep |
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| 03:56.57 | nvz | 7th field in output of ps aux |
| 03:57.32 | SVNDR | what can i add to my MOTD to make it show these proccesses? |
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| 03:57.49 | simonlnu | grepping for ? heh |
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| 03:58.30 | nvz | the absence of pty |
| 03:58.36 | nvz | think -v |
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| 03:59.29 | simonlnu | brain fart.. |
| 03:59.33 | nvz | heh |
| 03:59.49 | nvz | using awk would make it more precise |
| 03:59.59 | nvz | but I'm not real savvy with awk or I'd have given a oneliner already |
| 04:00.33 | nvz | basically you want any ps line that doesnt show pty or has a ? in the 7th field |
| 04:00.36 | simonlnu | awk '{print $7}' |
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| 04:01.08 | nvz | I know that much.. but that loses all the other data doesn't it? |
| 04:01.19 | nvz | thats only the matching data, the data you want is everything else |
| 04:01.28 | crassus | So, I've been going around reading lots of web pages trying to figure out how to get debian stable to burn on a usb drive and install on my computer. I know I want the i386 netinstall usb image of debian stable. |
| 04:01.36 | crassus | I get to this link a lot: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/ ... |
| 04:01.38 | simonlnu | yes |
| 04:01.47 | crassus | and am not sure what exactly to download / burn etc |
| 04:02.02 | crassus | Do I just download everything in hd-media and copy that to a usb drive? |
| 04:02.18 | nvz | crassus: unetbootin.sf.net |
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| 04:02.59 | nvz | crassus: but keep explaining if you like.. heh |
| 04:03.01 | crassus | nvz: yeah, I've tried using unetbootin as well, no dice |
| 04:03.18 | nvz | then you did it wrong because thats exactly the tool for the job |
| 04:03.35 | crassus | For some reason it isn't recognizing my usb drive (unetbootin that is) |
| 04:03.49 | nvz | unetbootin doesnt have to only the os does |
| 04:03.57 | nvz | there is a "show all drives" |
| 04:04.24 | nvz | most common reason for it not booting afterwards is because you didnt safely remove the device |
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| 04:04.34 | crassus | Right, but under "USB Drive", nothing shows up under "Drive:" |
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| 04:04.48 | crassus | Yeah, I've tried that as well nvz, safely removing and putting it back |
| 04:04.51 | crassus | the OS finds it fine |
| 04:04.56 | crassus | unetbootin just doesn't |
| 04:04.58 | nvz | what is the os? |
| 04:05.04 | crassus | ubuntu 10.04 |
| 04:05.13 | nvz | what device is the usb drive? |
| 04:05.29 | crassus | under /dev ? |
| 04:05.31 | nvz | yes |
| 04:05.58 | crassus | that's the thing, I'm not sure but I think it's /dev/sdb1 |
| 04:06.14 | crassus | normally I just get to it via /media/ |
| 04:06.41 | nvz | then use your system monitor or df in the terminal to show the device name |
| 04:06.47 | crassus | before, unetbootin recognized it as /dev/sdb1 , for some reason after I formatted it to wipe it to ext4, it doesn't any more |
| 04:06.47 | nvz | then select that device in unetbootin |
| 04:07.01 | nvz | why the hell would you make it ext4? |
| 04:07.10 | nvz | use vfat |
| 04:07.12 | crassus | is there a problem with ext4? |
| 04:07.34 | nvz | is there a problem with vfat? |
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| 04:07.57 | crassus | not that I know of, I just thought "linux to linux, just use ext4" |
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| 04:08.12 | crassus | hmm, now unetbootin found it |
| 04:08.15 | crassus | sweet, thanks nvz |
| 04:09.10 | nvz | crassus: my thinking is most usb storage uses vfat, I know it works that way, and there is no reason to change it other than to possibly introduce errors |
| 04:09.40 | crassus | hmm, do I have to worry about this if I've gotten the stable hd-media from unetbootin: "*IMPORTANT* Before rebooting, place a Debian install iso file on the root directory of your hard drive or USB drive. These can be obtained from cdimage.debian.org" |
| 04:09.53 | crassus | I thought unetbootin got that for me |
| 04:10.12 | nvz | yeah if you stop trying to do things the hard way and just do them the easy way |
| 04:10.19 | nvz | choose debian from the distribution menu |
| 04:10.56 | crassus | right, Debian, version is Stable_HdMedia |
| 04:11.04 | nvz | uh no |
| 04:11.15 | nvz | you said you want to use this drive to INSTALL debian right? |
| 04:11.43 | crassus | well, I'll install Debian from the usb drive to the entire hard drive after a reboot |
| 04:12.00 | nvz | debian doesnt work like ubuntu |
| 04:12.03 | jeaton | completely off topic, but does anyone here have a ipod shuffle second gen and a linux box to create me an image of the drive? |
| 04:12.27 | nvz | crassus: if you wanna go that route you use debian live.. but thats not needed, just use the damn installer a.k.a. debian stable |
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| 04:13.00 | crassus | right ... am I not using that with Debian, version StableHdMedia nvz ? |
| 04:13.06 | nvz | jeaton: why? |
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| 04:13.31 | simonlnu | jeaton: ask in #rockbox-community maybe |
| 04:13.40 | jeaton | will try it, thanks |
| 04:14.13 | jeaton | nvz, i was going to write that image onto my ipod to hopefully bring it back to life |
| 04:14.13 | nvz | jeaton: if you messed it up you don't need an image of the storage on the device you just need gtkpod |
| 04:14.37 | nvz | jeaton: the shuffle I thought was just a tiny thing with no screen |
| 04:14.51 | simonlnu | they can help with that likely. they'll probably tell you to put rockbox on it too ;p. |
| 04:15.14 | jeaton | nvz, it is, and I do have gtkpod but I formatted it low level and erased the firmware and everything |
| 04:15.36 | nvz | o.O |
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| 04:16.30 | jeaton | simonlnu, what is rockbox btw? |
| 04:16.43 | crassus | so, what is Debian Live Standard nvz ? |
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| 04:17.00 | crassus | is that with just no window manager or anything? |
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| 04:17.33 | jeaton | ah nevermind, they did what I was kinda wanting to do |
| 04:17.42 | jeaton | but it's not compatible with the shuffle, but i will still ask |
| 04:17.54 | nvz | jeaton: do you have access to a windows or mac machine? |
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| 04:18.53 | jeaton | sadly, no, or I would go that route with itunes |
| 04:19.07 | crassus | looks like standard is what I'm looking for, thanks |
| 04:19.55 | nvz | yeah you're already making me regret it |
| 04:20.13 | nvz | you're obviously an ubuntu user and should probably keep it that way |
| 04:20.26 | nvz | or you'd just strap D-I and be done with it |
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| 04:24.48 | jack_thompson | as soon as SOPA has been passed resolv.conf will become more important again... so is there a reliable way from protecting it from being overwritten by some "asshole"-script than chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 04:25.06 | jack_thompson | preferrably by deinstalling something i dont need anyways |
| 04:25.29 | ham5 | sopa wont pass stfu |
| 04:25.47 | jack_thompson | okay :o |
| 04:26.27 | crosswalk | Is there a command to change the runlevel I'm currently in or do I need to change inittab for that? |
| 04:26.29 | jack_thompson | i thought SOPA was made to get rid of ICANN monopolism... |
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| 04:30.36 | dondelelcaro | jack_thompson: why not just use resolvconf or similar? it's not like it's difficult to manage your nameservers. |
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| 04:31.12 | ham5 | cos troll |
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| 04:31.45 | jack_thompson | no.. i dont want (to learn) another program that manages resolv.conf... i need resolv.conf to be left the fuck alone by such programs.. which is not the case in the default install |
| 04:32.59 | jack_thompson | i use chattr +i because i *DO NOT* want resolv.conf to be "managed" |
| 04:33.20 | ham5 | your dhcp client is most likely updating it from your isp, you can of course change that |
| 04:34.32 | jack_thompson | hmmm... i can use chattr +i regardless of what does change/overwrite resolv.conf... so i'll stick to that instead of learning howto configure dhclient configuration... |
| 04:35.37 | jack_thompson | i guess the sledgehammer approach is the universal solution for this annoyance then |
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| 04:39.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps whats the eta on the next release for stable? |
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| 04:39.51 | ham5 | there isnet |
| 04:40.03 | nvz | dondelelcaro: rationality hasn't been flying in here all day. ;) |
| 04:40.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok just wondering.. you release last Feb.. |
| 04:40.07 | rjcks | jack_thompson: just look in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf and see if domain-name-servers is requested there |
| 04:40.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | was thinking perhaps again in 2012 |
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| 04:40.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | but thats good actually didn't want to upgrade too soon |
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| 04:53.00 | cuphand | some arch users never bother with adduser btw |
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| 04:59.05 | nvz | cuphand: some women never bother shaving... what's your point? :-P |
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| 05:01.01 | cuphand | nvz: I preferthe hair... |
| 05:01.30 | cuphand | point is...I was banned while running puppylinux...as root |
| 05:01.47 | nevyn | it's a stupid anacrhonism deal. |
| 05:01.55 | cuphand | puppy runs as root by default |
| 05:02.23 | nevyn | right |
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| 05:05.30 | ooldirty | anyone extra bored? |
| 05:05.38 | qdb | hello. when i write longly in xchat in squeeze it starts be slow. all words are underlined, i think it is russian spellchecking. |
| 05:05.52 | qdb | xchat-gnome |
| 05:05.53 | ooldirty | qdb: is that a question? |
| 05:06.18 | qdb | ooldirty, you can say how to disable spell checking, and i ll search for it |
| 05:06.34 | ooldirty | qdb: you can submit a bug report if you like at bugs.debian.org |
| 05:06.45 | qdb | it is easy |
| 05:06.50 | qdb | i disabled it |
| 05:07.14 | ooldirty | qdb: congratulations. |
| 05:07.23 | qdb | now it is not slow |
| 05:07.33 | qdb | i think this is not bug |
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| 05:10.36 | ooldirty | custom compiled php SAPI for Lenny's Apache2 results in segfaults... any takers? |
| 05:11.00 | dondelelcaro | ooldirty: build it with symbols, get a coredump, and debug it. |
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| 05:11.10 | dondelelcaro | ooldirty: or run it under gdb |
| 05:11.43 | ooldirty | that's half the problem, this box is doing enough traffic that i can't grep netstat for a PID to strace... |
| 05:11.55 | ooldirty | i'll recompile with symbols |
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| 05:12.54 | ooldirty | dondelelcaro: thanks a ton, btw. my brain just froze for some reason. |
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| 05:13.44 | nickermire | about how long does it that to get an email after registering a nick |
| 05:15.28 | nvz | nickermire: been about 8 years for me but IIRC it was pretty quick |
| 05:15.53 | nickermire | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:16.04 | nickermire | ? |
| 05:16.49 | crassus | nickermire: you're probably looking for #freenode, not #debian |
| 05:17.08 | phiscribe | check your junk mail |
| 05:17.26 | nickermire | thanks and sorry |
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| 05:19.23 | nvz | hmm.. I was gonna cross ref my reg date with my email.. apparently gmail didnt keep my nickname reg email |
| 05:19.46 | nvz | only one I have is when I linked my alt nick in 2010 the one from 03 when I registered this nick isnt there |
| 05:20.26 | dondelelcaro | ooldirty: yeah, if it's only happening occasionally, symbols and coredumps will help... if you can get it to happen on command, run apache under gdb with apache -X or similar |
| 05:20.55 | nickermire | nvznvz: i finally figured out screen! |
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| 05:21.37 | nickermire | im ssh'ed in to my hist computer |
| 05:22.07 | nickermire | via a iphone app |
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| 05:22.31 | nvz | nickermire: great.. did you do the fglrx setup? |
| 05:22.44 | nickermire | it failed |
| 05:23.07 | nvz | nickermire: aside from the failure we had with 3.x and dkms? |
| 05:23.45 | nvz | because I shouldve expected that to happen even not knowing much about it.. heh |
| 05:23.53 | nickermire | i gavi gave up i dont ? |
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| 05:25.54 | nickermire | i dont play enough games for it to mattera |
| 05:26.11 | nickermire | anyway |
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| 05:27.50 | qdb | is there tool that automatically checks checksums of debs in /var cache apt archives? may be apt-get or aptitude or dpkg do that automatically during update or something else, or can do with some option? (checksums of debs can be retrieved from repo and they are already saved in local system after apt-get/aptitude update . ) then, there are not all debs here, because seems what was installed from cd are not here. i would like /wish there is tool that can chec |
| 05:27.50 | qdb | k checksums of individual files that are in debs, that are stored in var lib dpkg info, directly with online info, but that checksums are not published online. (and there is already a tool that can check : installed files checksums with info in var lib dpkg info, and can check them with md5sums which are inside local deb files, and seems it can say if info in var lib dpkg info and in local deb files are not equal ) |
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| 05:28.36 | debianewbie | Has anyone encountered after debian installation, and you enter debian from bios, a flickering screen appears? |
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| 05:31.20 | noobadix | Hi and ho! How can I read out information about the videostream of a video(container) file comfortably? |
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| 05:38.27 | kingsley | noobadix: Have you tried the "file" command? |
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| 05:43.21 | noobadix | kingsley: I've just checked it out and it doesn't yield enough information about my video file. :/ I want to know stuff like frames per second and such |
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| 05:45.14 | laurus | jelly, are you available? |
| 05:45.51 | kingsley | noobadix: Maybe you could ask in an IRC channel related to video. I do not know their names, but I suppose you could search Google's indices for linux video and IRC. |
| 05:46.58 | laurus | Does anyone know how to point mutt to local mailbox folders downloaded with getmail? |
| 05:47.23 | ooldirty | #httpd |
| 05:47.25 | ooldirty | derf |
| 05:47.41 | ooldirty | haven't used bitchx since '03, it's a trip :D |
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| 06:00.37 | laurus | Does anyone know how to combine multiple maildir directories (mailboxes?) into a single mailbox with folders? |
| 06:02.35 | yofun | Hello how do i keep my users in their home folder only in ssh/ftp ? |
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| 06:11.56 | JoshuaP | When I do $edquota -g group |
| 06:12.08 | JoshuaP | What do I do to set the quota to 2gb? |
| 06:13.27 | yofun | JoshuaP: check ms |
| 06:13.32 | yofun | JoshuaP: check man :) |
| 06:13.41 | yofun | Man edquota |
| 06:13.44 | JoshuaP | It's so long.. |
| 06:13.52 | yofun | Lol i look |
| 06:13.55 | nvz | thats what she said |
| 06:14.09 | yofun | Lol |
| 06:14.58 | JoshuaP | Lol |
| 06:15.18 | yofun | Doesnt say... |
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| 06:15.27 | JoshuaP | nvz, do you know what I'm editing when I do the command? The man pages don't tell me how to edit it. It just says how to get there. |
| 06:16.14 | nvz | I don't even know what you're talking about I wasn't paying that much attention |
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| 06:16.46 | nvz | at any given time I'm watching tv, playing playstation, surfing the web, and on irc all on the same 7in netbook screen.. heh |
| 06:17.06 | yofun | Lol :) |
| 06:17.21 | dr-evil | nvz: playstation on 7in netbook :) |
| 06:17.44 | yofun | Ha |
| 06:18.28 | nvz | yeah been doing it 320x240 lately due to all the crap I do at once and using the wall plugin from vlc to splt the video and move it out of my way so I can see the psx emulator and the video at the same time as well as stil have space on a 1024x600px screen to do other stuff and see IRC |
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| 06:21.22 | dr-evil | nvz: hardworking :) |
| 06:22.04 | nvz | yeah well right now I'm actually only watching ncis reruns and barely paying attention to this or the video.. idk where my mind is right now |
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| 06:28.43 | sedulous | yofun: OpenSSH comes with both restriction options out of the box: chroot & restricting all actions to SFTP only |
| 06:28.46 | sedulous | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590 |
| 06:29.06 | sedulous | no 3rd party solution required as it used to be |
| 06:30.22 | debianewbie | Assuming I am on a dual bootable system, could I run command for linux from my windows partition? |
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| 06:31.08 | ajikeshi__ | debhelper, with cygwin and ext2ifs.... maybe |
| 06:31.30 | ajikeshi__ | err debianewbie |
| 06:32.08 | paul | hi, everyone. tried to install nvidia driver as bot describes.. actually copied the whole thing to terminal.. anyway, the x server won't start now.. can someone help? |
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| 06:34.27 | debianewbie | because my screen for linux is flickering non stop i cant do anything with it |
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| 06:38.24 | nvz | debianewbie: there are no video issues booted in windows? What is the video card? |
| 06:38.56 | nvz | paul: factoid used? |
| 06:39.16 | paul | nvz, what is factoid?:) |
| 06:39.26 | nvz | paul: its the name of what you asked the bot to get the info |
| 06:39.48 | nvz | !factoid |
| 06:39.48 | dpkg | A factoid is something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print, or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated information, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something. This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid". |
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| 06:40.13 | paul | nvz, one sec |
| 06:40.14 | nvz | paul: are you using debian stable? |
| 06:40.28 | paul | nvz, yeah, 6.0.3 |
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| 06:41.38 | nvz | paul: I either need to see your xorg.log on paste.debian.net or know what factoid you referenced to maybe guess at what went wrong |
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| 06:42.02 | nvz | will probably still need the xorg.log but if I see the factoid its possible the issue is obvious from the steps you copied |
| 06:42.13 | Todd781 | I'm having trouble restoring my flash drive to its original capacity |
| 06:42.31 | Todd781 | I've tried unmounting and using fdisk option o and make a new partition |
| 06:42.40 | nvz | o.O |
| 06:42.42 | Todd781 | then put a new fs on and remounting, but it still isn't working |
| 06:42.44 | paul | nvz, ok, I'm trying to find one, hold on, please |
| 06:42.47 | Kull | I have a folder with a bunch of duplicate folders, each having (2) at the end of the dir name. I want to rm them all in one sweep, but I cant use a wildcard rm *(2). Wat do? |
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| 06:43.45 | nvz | Kull: you need to escape the () *\(2\) |
| 06:43.55 | nvz | Kull: also rm will not remove dirs |
| 06:44.15 | nvz | unless the -rf option is used for recurse and force |
| 06:44.27 | Kull | nvz: I know, I use rm -rf for dirs instead of rmdir, but yeah, worked. Thanks. |
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| 06:51.18 | paul | nvz, it was the nvidia dkms factoid |
| 06:51.29 | nvz | !nvidia dkms |
| 06:51.30 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Run "update-initramfs -u" and restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia legacy>. |
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| 06:52.15 | paul | yeah |
| 06:52.19 | nvz | paul: did you follow the last part about running update-initramfs -u and restarting? |
| 06:52.19 | somiaj | Kull: rmdir has the added feature if fails if the dir isn't empty if you care. |
| 06:52.28 | paul | nvz, I did |
| 06:52.53 | nvz | well looks fairly thorough to me then.. it setup the xorg.conf and everything |
| 06:53.17 | nvz | paul: do you know how to manage getting the xorg.log to paste.debian.net? |
| 06:53.32 | nvz | or somewhere of the sort doesnt matter really |
| 06:53.54 | paul | nvz, well, since my x server is not runnig.. dunno how |
| 06:54.18 | nvz | paul: would the box be online right now? |
| 06:54.46 | paul | nvz, I'm writing from it now |
| 06:55.06 | nvz | paul: ah well then, you could install pastebinit |
| 06:55.16 | nvz | !pastebinit |
| 06:55.16 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <nopaste>. |
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| 06:55.51 | paul | nvz, pk, I'll do it now |
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| 06:56.14 | paul | *ok |
| 06:56.47 | nvz | pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 06:57.20 | shellox_ | morning, I can't find a Software RAID 1 Setup in the wiki, where to find it? It was sth. with mdadm iirc |
| 06:58.23 | paul | nvz, says can't find package pastebininit :( |
| 06:58.28 | nvz | !raid1 |
| 06:58.28 | dpkg | [raid1] a single mirrored raid with a minimum of two drives. |
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| 06:58.45 | nvz | paul: too many letters in there.. its pastebinit |
| 06:59.20 | nvz | as in paste bin it, not paste bin init |
| 06:59.32 | shellox_ | nvz: to be honest, the name is stupid ;) |
| 06:59.44 | nvz | shellox_: the name of what? |
| 06:59.46 | paul | nvz, thanks, I'm stupid:) |
| 07:00.23 | shellox_ | nvz: pastebinit. The most read not the whole word, because they know init at the end |
| 07:00.51 | paul | nvz, aargh.. says I'm trying to send an empty file |
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| 07:01.09 | shellox_ | pastebin_it would be more clear ;) |
| 07:01.10 | nvz | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid |
| 07:01.23 | nvz | idk if thats what you're looking for or not |
| 07:01.32 | nvz | if not search the f'n wiki :-P |
| 07:01.51 | nvz | paul: did you do a standard desktop install i.e. you have gdm and gnome? |
| 07:01.54 | shellox_ | nvz: not exactly, I used the wiki search but haven't found it :-P |
| 07:02.28 | shellox_ | i want to setup a software raid(not fake raid) with the debian installer. I'm not sure if it's possible :P |
| 07:02.30 | paul | nvz, I've just cd there and it worked |
| 07:02.47 | nvz | software raid is a fake raid |
| 07:02.56 | nvz | !fake raid |
| 07:03.10 | nvz | !software raid |
| 07:03.10 | dpkg | "Multidisk Device" (MD) is commonly used to describe the software <RAID> facilities available in the Linux kernel. To establish a software RAID array at Debian installation time, see section 6.3.3.4 of the <install guide>. See also <mdadm>. http://wiki.debian.org/SoftwareRAID http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html http://raid.wiki.kernel.org/ |
| 07:03.14 | paul | nvz, http://pastebin.com/37NFHWR6 |
| 07:03.19 | nvz | nevermind, we solved your problem |
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| 07:04.36 | shellox_ | lol |
| 07:04.42 | shellox_ | http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html |
| 07:04.51 | shellox_ | banned for hacking/computer crime here |
| 07:04.56 | shellox_ | :P |
| 07:05.20 | nvz | paul: well if you copied and pasted that command it wouldn't have screwed up the config |
| 07:05.47 | nvz | shellox_: message visiting that link? |
| 07:06.12 | paul | nvz, I swear that's all I did.:) |
| 07:06.40 | nvz | paul: you need to edit that file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf and make it read Driver "nvidia" on that line |
| 07:07.03 | nvz | seems the config says it reads Driver"nvidia" and the space is missing |
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| 07:07.50 | nvz | the link seems fine to me |
| 07:08.15 | paul | nvz, ok, I'll open this file on othe tty now, scope it out |
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| 07:08.53 | nvz | paul: after you fix that you should be able to service gdm3 restart and have X working |
| 07:09.11 | nvz | or gdm.. not sure which.. can't remember |
| 07:09.20 | paul | nvz, will it work with the new driver? |
| 07:09.40 | nvz | paul: yes "nvidia" is the driver you installed |
| 07:10.05 | nvz | seems the main problem is you apparently copied that factoid in pieces or something and somehow fudged it up |
| 07:10.30 | paul | nvz, yes. I did that.. this file has only 4 lines |
| 07:10.50 | nvz | paul: the one with Driver is the one thats messed up |
| 07:11.20 | paul | says Driver"nvidia" should be space between, right? |
| 07:11.25 | nvz | yes |
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| 07:13.09 | nvz | this is something IMO the package should do, present a debconf dialog asking if you want it to create that file |
| 07:13.51 | nvz | hmm that nick just made me remember what that damn console mouse daemon was called.. gpm |
| 07:14.09 | nvz | couldnt for the life of me remember that when it came up the other day |
| 07:14.42 | somiaj | nvz: or at least provide a copy in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-foo that can be copied. |
| 07:15.27 | paul | what text editor I use to edit file? :) |
| 07:15.42 | paul | vi is messed up :( |
| 07:16.28 | nvz | haha thats how vi works, messed up |
| 07:16.57 | nvz | somiaj: yeah I'd file a bug but maintainers usually dont listen to me, they just make excuses why it shouldnt be that way |
| 07:17.13 | nvz | I dont like arguing about shit I didnt care to take the time to report in the first place |
| 07:17.16 | paul | good to know I'm not a complete loser :) so which one do I use? |
| 07:17.17 | nvz | heh |
| 07:17.27 | nvz | try nano |
| 07:17.29 | paul | ok |
| 07:17.32 | somiaj | paul: nano should be on you system |
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| 07:17.56 | nvz | could use sed for this operation or perl or any number of things |
| 07:17.57 | dr-evil | use "update-alternatives --list editor" to check |
| 07:18.31 | paul | nano is great |
| 07:18.37 | dr-evil | or --display |
| 07:18.40 | paul | x server started automatically |
| 07:18.54 | paul | nvz, I owe u one :) thanks A LOT, dude |
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| 07:20.06 | nvz | sed -e s#Driver\"nvidia\"#Driver\ \"nvidia\"# /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
| 07:20.11 | nvz | if I remember sed correctly |
| 07:20.46 | nvz | paul: seriously, it started after saving that file? |
| 07:21.07 | paul | yep |
| 07:21.21 | paul | on another tty though |
| 07:21.31 | nvz | hmm thats weird |
| 07:21.39 | paul | yeah:) |
| 07:21.54 | nvz | never seen that happen before... figured the gdm died after a fatal server error |
| 07:22.08 | nvz | that would mean it was polling so to speak the whole time |
| 07:22.42 | nvz | back in the day it'd restart about 3 times then display a dialog on the console |
| 07:24.01 | paul | well, something is getting better :) last one: where do I save conf file I make with nvidia-setting gui? it doesn't offer a path :) |
| 07:24.23 | nvz | save? |
| 07:24.35 | nvz | I wasnt even aware it did that |
| 07:25.20 | paul | nvz, well yeah, I have 2 monitors and one is disabled by default and can't apply changes instantly, have to save it and restart |
| 07:25.24 | nvz | paul: could save it where the other file is |
| 07:25.44 | nvz | /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia-settings.conf |
| 07:25.54 | nvz | instead of /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
| 07:26.09 | paul | will it load the new one itself? |
| 07:27.18 | nvz | it will load everything in that directory |
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| 07:27.36 | nvz | a |
| 07:27.57 | paul | ok, cool |
| 07:28.16 | nvz | honestly IDK if thats where you're suppose to put it just a guess |
| 07:28.40 | nvz | I thought anything you did in there just saved automatically |
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| 07:31.14 | paul | nvz, aaawww yeah, all worked. thanks again, man. there so much stuff to learn.. that's a terrible shame everyone's using windows around me. noone to talk to.. and my local IRC channel guys just tell me to go to hell :):) |
| 07:31.20 | paul | they're mean |
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| 07:31.48 | nvz | local irc guys? |
| 07:32.50 | shellox_ | local irc guys? why use irc if they sit in the same room as you ;) |
| 07:33.02 | nvz | shellox_: thats exactly what I was thinking |
| 07:33.33 | paul | no not that |
| 07:33.38 | paul | I mean in my country |
| 07:33.40 | paul | :) |
| 07:33.48 | nvz | shellox_: though to answer that, sometimes its better to communicate that way if you're all working on something so you dont lose your train of thought and can respond on your own time |
| 07:34.33 | shellox_ | well, a buddy of mine has this colleague too..she shit next to him and ask something in a mail :P |
| 07:34.42 | shellox_ | maybe thats a new trend i missed :P |
| 07:34.50 | nvz | she shit next to him at the mall? |
| 07:35.09 | shellox_ | no in the office. |
| 07:35.21 | shellox_ | but she mail him :D |
| 07:36.18 | paul | lol |
| 07:37.19 | shellox_ | ok, maybe it make sense it's something private and not everybody should hear it.. |
| 07:37.35 | shellox_ | if it's* |
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| 07:39.17 | gasull | how do I make apt-get forget the info in apt-get upgrade and actually check again what packages need to be upgraded (I changed repos) |
| 07:39.28 | gasull | ? |
| 07:39.46 | nvz | gasull: apt-get update |
| 07:39.57 | gasull | nvz: that doesn't work |
| 07:40.08 | nvz | how so? |
| 07:40.35 | gasull | after that, apt-get upgrade shows me packages to upgrade from repos I already removed |
| 07:40.52 | nvz | name one |
| 07:41.27 | somiaj | gasull: look at apt-cache policy pkg [for one of the packages that you wonder why its choosing a paticular repo] |
| 07:41.39 | nvz | somiaj: was getting there you party pooper |
| 07:41.59 | somiaj | :( |
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| 07:54.12 | innociv | is there a way that I can restrict the file sizes uploaded with sftp? And file types would be nice, too. |
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| 07:58.36 | bitcycle | Hey all. I've got a new debian vps, and its been a while since I set one up. Can someone advise me what to do to enable a user to remotely login via ssh, after I've created it on the server while logging in via ssh as root? |
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| 08:01.58 | shellox_ | bitcycle: for ssh: don't permit root login, maybe let a user only login with pubkey, not password |
| 08:02.13 | shellox_ | it depends on your needs.. |
| 08:02.27 | nvz | innociv: near as I can tell there is no way to do this built in to sftp and nothing turns up on google about how to implement it but my thoughts would be to make something that monitors the log which would or could depending on the log level of the server show the file size and name/type of an initiated transfer |
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| 08:02.45 | nvz | innociv: another approach for the size anyhow is linux quotas on a per-user basis |
| 08:02.49 | bitcycle | shellox_: for sure. this is a brand new, mins old, setup. |
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| 08:03.04 | nvz | innociv: but that wouldnt really address file size so much as how much space they have I guess |
| 08:03.29 | shellox_ | bitcycle: you mean how to configure the ssh login? |
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| 08:03.47 | innociv | Well, for me, people shouldn't be uploading files over mb for web use. They're using it for file serving then. |
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| 08:04.17 | bitcycle | shellox_: alright, I found the issue. I *thought* I set the password via usermod, but apparently that didn't take. |
| 08:04.39 | shellox_ | bitcycle: passwd username ;) |
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| 08:04.58 | bitcycle | :) |
| 08:04.59 | bitcycle | Thanks man. |
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| 08:06.05 | nvz | innociv: well you either need a backend you will have to hack yourself probably to monitor the filesystem to police files and remove them, or the logs to terminate the connection if invalid or use a different upload method |
| 08:06.23 | innociv | I see. |
| 08:06.28 | nvz | innociv: seems most people who want finer grained control for web servers use a php uploader to upload files and many of them are available |
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| 08:06.59 | innociv | Though I have a small enough setup that I guess I can just tell people not to ;/ |
| 08:07.02 | nvz | innociv: or replace php with ASP .NET or w/e |
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| 08:07.42 | stephan48 | i am trying to run a squeeze xen stack on a hyperv debian vm(testdriver, we later want to go on to real hardware), currently it shoots itself away after a line: "XENBUS: Unable to read cpu state", i am using grub2 as bootloader |
| 08:07.50 | stephan48 | any idea how to resolved it? |
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| 08:08.01 | stephan48 | shoots itself away means in this case complete freeze |
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| 08:09.41 | nvz | innociv: http://www.net2ftp.com/homepage/installation.html an example of such a utility |
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| 08:10.16 | innociv | Hm. |
| 08:10.22 | atoz-chevara | is away: Silahkan meninggalkan pesan... |
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| 08:10.47 | nvz | innociv: if you used something like that strictly for upload rather than allowing it to be done by external programs you can limit the uploads easily |
| 08:11.58 | innociv | Aye. |
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| 08:13.48 | innociv | I'm just extremely weary of php uploaders as well. :| |
| 08:14.00 | innociv | They're often used as weak points. |
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| 08:14.35 | nvz | well I sadly have no ideas but the thought intrigued me a bit |
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| 08:14.45 | shellox_ | still hang on the intaller.. |
| 08:14.48 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, |
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| 08:15.41 | nvz | atoz-chevara: away messages are frowned upon on #d and could get you in trouble |
| 08:15.58 | paranoidphreak | do i need to worry about installing a firewall in squeeze? |
| 08:16.14 | simonlnu | firewall? |
| 08:16.15 | somiaj | paranoidphreak: depends, there isn't one there by default. |
| 08:16.29 | nvz | paranoidphreak: firewall is built in to the kenrel, all you'd need if you wanted one is something to help you configure and monitor it |
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| 08:16.56 | paranoidphreak | it's for personal use |
| 08:17.03 | simonlnu | !iptables |
| 08:17.03 | dpkg | [iptables] The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter. Ask me about <netfilter docs>. For a proper Debian-way of setting up iptables, see http://wiki.debian.org/iptables . http://netfilter.org/ #netfilter on irc.freenode.net. See also <ferm>, <lartc>, <masq>, <ulogd>. |
| 08:17.15 | nvz | paranoidphreak: generally speaking though unlike windows, debian doesnt have a bunch of holes and things ready to be friendly with the network and execute scripts and crap |
| 08:17.48 | nvz | personally I like firestarter but I only use my firewall when I need to do something like internet connection sharing or such |
| 08:17.49 | stephan48 | i am now trying to construct myself a squeeze kernel with xen, lets see if that helps |
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| 08:20.16 | paranoidphreak | somiaj, nvz: i use firestarter but i have to reconfigure it to the network interface i use; sometimes wifi n sometimes wired......is there any way for this to happen automatically or make some sort of funnel that monitors every single interface |
| 08:20.17 | paranoidphreak | ? |
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| 08:21.10 | dr-evil | network-manager ? |
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| 08:22.27 | paranoidphreak | dr-evil: i want firestarter to monitor every single interface at once so i don't need to reconfigure it everytime i switch interfaces |
| 08:22.55 | paranoidphreak | or switch automatically to the one that is being used |
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| 08:24.08 | somiaj | paranoidphreak: what do you use to bring your intefaces up and down. I know if you use the debian scripts ifup/ifdown with /etc/network/interfaces you can write a custom postup script which will change the firewall for you when the interface is brought up. (not sure if network-manager lets you do this) |
| 08:24.39 | simonlnu | best bet would a post-up yes |
| 08:24.44 | simonlnu | be * |
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| 08:25.29 | simonlnu | one script, with a case/esac based on network type/source |
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| 08:26.26 | shellox_ | How to create a software raid 1 with the debian installer with my own partition scheme..? I just dont get it. I tried to create 2 partitions(1 per disk) and change the type to 'physical volume for software raid'. The menu point 'configure software raid' appeared. So, I select add new RAID 1, added the two disks and I got a new md volume. |
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| 08:26.51 | shellox_ | But I can't change the size of the partition on the md volume, why? |
| 08:26.53 | SiegeX | is runlevel 3 the multiuser non-gui one? |
| 08:27.01 | dr-evil | SiegeX: yep |
| 08:27.08 | SiegeX | perfect, thanks |
| 08:27.14 | paranoidphreak | somiaj: i use network manager to connect to the interface..... |
| 08:27.28 | paranoidphreak | somiaj: thanks.....i'll look into that |
| 08:27.57 | nvz | shellox_: the md volume should behave just like a single disk and you should be able to create partitons of any size |
| 08:28.03 | somiaj | paranoidphreak: I'm unsure if you can have a custom script run when an interface is brought up. I don't know of any tool to do this, but it shouldn't be to hard to write one. |
| 08:28.06 | simonlnu | SiegeX: in debian it doesn't matter. there is no "GUI runlevel" |
| 08:28.41 | simonlnu | 2-5 are all the same. "it is left up to the administrator to configure runlevels" |
| 08:29.00 | simonlnu | dr-evil: ^^ |
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| 08:30.01 | SiegeX | i see |
| 08:30.02 | shellox_ | nvz: there is one disk with the size of 1 TB |
| 08:30.13 | shellox_ | but i cant delete or resize it -.- |
| 08:30.29 | nvz | shellox_: no you cant, but you should be able to create partitions on it |
| 08:30.30 | qdb | hello. is it possible to make 2 gdm sessions in ctrl alt f7 and in ctrl alt f8 so that i can quickly switch them without logging out/in, just pressing ctrl alt f8 f7 ? |
| 08:30.37 | SiegeX | and if one wants to just get the standard console for a certain runlevel, lets say 3, how much work is involved with that? |
| 08:30.43 | shellox_ | nvz: .. |
| 08:30.45 | simonlnu | qdb: yes |
| 08:30.46 | nvz | shellox_: the md is not a partition, its a disk |
| 08:31.00 | shellox_ | nvz: yes, but there is 1 partition with 1TB |
| 08:31.05 | shellox_ | and i cant delete it |
| 08:31.11 | simonlnu | SiegeX: init 3 would put you in 3, but it won't matter, it's the same as 2 |
| 08:31.13 | project2501a | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h02yqUPxhYc |
| 08:31.24 | simonlnu | project2501a: ECHAN? |
| 08:31.44 | nvz | shellox_: idk how you managed this the raid setup in the partitioner was fairly self explanitory to me |
| 08:31.55 | SiegeX | simonlnu: right. but if i was hell bent on having a runlevel that was unique in that it just went straight to the console, is that feasible? |
| 08:32.11 | project2501a | simonlnu: urgh. wrong channel. sorry :) |
| 08:32.15 | SiegeX | and have 2,4,5 act the way they do now |
| 08:32.18 | simonlnu | yeh, just need to set it up that way |
| 08:32.32 | simonlnu | be aware default is 2 |
| 08:32.45 | nvz | SiegeX: you can do whatever you want with the runlevels making it console only is as simple as removing the link to the gdm script from a runlevel |
| 08:33.31 | simonlnu | so if you want your "console only" one to be default, rm the one in rc2.d |
| 08:33.52 | somiaj | wouldn't modifing the LSB headers be the best so when packages are upgraded the defaults keep things in the desired run level? |
| 08:33.56 | SiegeX | ok |
| 08:33.57 | SiegeX | thanks |
| 08:34.19 | simonlnu | somiaj: insserv doesn't touch them if you rm some symlinks |
| 08:34.35 | simonlnu | it does when you do a 'update-rc.d foo disable' |
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| 08:35.37 | simonlnu | it does the smart debian thing of not touching user-modded thingies ;) |
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| 08:36.04 | rossmohax | hi guys. I am trying to build deb package for my own piece of software. I have sources dir with makefile which supports DEST, then I created debian subpackage and put control,changelog,rules files there. Problem is that when I run dpkg-buildpackage it asks for original tar file. |
| 08:36.47 | simonlnu | tar up your soure tree with no debian/ in it. you have your orig.tar.XXX |
| 08:36.50 | rossmohax | Can I somehow point dpkg-buildpackage to use sources in current dir, it already has everything it need there |
| 08:36.51 | simonlnu | source* |
| 08:36.55 | nvz | SiegeX: the way runlevels works is, there are scripts in /etc/init.d/ that start/stop services and each runlevel has a directory /etc/rc?.d/ where ? is the runlevel and there are links names S##service or K##service to to the init.d script the ## is the priority (order) they are start/stopped in that runlevel. update-rc.d is one of many ways to configure this but you can also do it manually |
| 08:37.02 | somiaj | simonlnu: ahh I thought if you just removed the links it puts them back when a package upgrade reruns update-rc.d foo defaults (seems I recall using update-rc.d foo remove was not a useful way for disabiling the server though it removed the link) |
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| 08:37.21 | simonlnu | somiaj: that changed a lot with insserv |
| 08:37.36 | SiegeX | thanks nvz, makes sense |
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| 08:38.14 | rossmohax | simonlnu: why is that needed? it adds complication to build package workflow, as when I update my sources I 'll need to update tar file as well |
| 08:38.54 | simonlnu | well yes. that implies you'll need to rebuild the package anyway. |
| 08:39.12 | simonlnu | that's part of the workflow... |
| 08:39.25 | rossmohax | I'd like to have something like: 1) change sources 2) update version in debian/control 3) build package. |
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| 08:40.05 | simonlnu | it's one directory you have to exclude. script it. |
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| 08:41.36 | debiannewbie | I try to upgrade my debian squeeze kernal from 2.6.32 to 2.6.38. I run apt-get install -t squeeze-backports linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64, it runs then a block of text appear then no response |
| 08:41.44 | shellox_ | oops, apple deleted apps _remote_ from my iphone o.O |
| 08:42.42 | nvz | well this is annoying.. I tell sawfish to keep the vlc video winow on top cause telling VLC itself to do it doesn't actually do it.. but when the next video comes on it recreates the damn window so I have to set it again |
| 08:42.55 | rossmohax | simonlnu: that means that if I git clone something from git.debian.org I have to manually pack sources, put archive in parent dir and then run debuild? no other way to build those pacakges? |
| 08:43.03 | nvz | granted sawfish has matched windows.. but I really dont wanna have to go in there to change the always on top.. heh |
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| 08:43.13 | somiaj | debiannewbie: is that kernel still in backports, I thought the backpored kernel was 2.6.39 -- if you put the block of text at say paste.debian.net maybe someone will see what the issue is |
| 08:43.18 | nvz | guess I need to setup a new keybinding ... ugh |
| 08:43.26 | simonlnu | rossmohax: there's various utils you can have to handle that. git-dpm, others |
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| 08:44.24 | rossmohax | is there anything not tied to git? |
| 08:45.33 | nvz | rossmohax: seriously? I have an android and sprint tried to fool me into "upgrading" an app that is no longer available cause they filtered it from their marketplace. but it can't do it without me allowing it to upgrade |
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| 08:46.18 | rossmohax | simonlnu: is there any tools which automates build but not tied with git? |
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| 08:46.42 | simonlnu | yes |
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| 08:46.50 | josh9 | i try to submit bug via reportbug but not sure what's my smtp is.. |
| 08:46.57 | simonlnu | devscripts is handy |
| 08:47.07 | josh9 | so it's not sending my bug report. sad ): |
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| 08:47.23 | nvz | I thought reportbug did http sends now |
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| 08:47.39 | rossmohax | simonlnu: can you name them please? Learning git-dbm is a bit overkill just to build package out of "ready-to-be-built" source tree |
| 08:48.02 | simonlnu | !tell rossmohax -about search |
| 08:48.04 | rossmohax | simonlnu: thank you, will take a look at devscripts |
| 08:48.35 | Guest24726 | I notice alot of package does not provide changelog anymore .... something changed ? |
| 08:50.06 | debiannewbie | somiaj: to check that I have to check in the backports.debian.org website? Or can I actually see the error log for that? |
| 08:50.10 | nvz | simonlnu: didn't they add support in reportbug to send reports via http? |
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| 08:50.18 | josh9 | nvz: i don't know, but i tried to purge reportbug and reinstall it and all my settings are still there so i don't know how to tell it to use http. |
| 08:50.24 | nvz | just checked the wiki entry for reportbug and dont see anyhing about it |
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| 08:50.51 | josh9 | nvz: .reportbugrc |
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| 08:50.52 | somiaj | debiannewbie: just use apt-cache search or aptitude search (it wills how you all packages in your repo) |
| 08:51.04 | somiaj | debiannewbie: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.39 (is what I would search for) |
| 08:51.23 | somiaj | debiannewbie: you can try apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.38 as well to see if that package is there. |
| 08:51.31 | nvz | josh9: I just use my gmail to submit bug reports... never used reportbug to generate or submit them personally |
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| 08:51.52 | simonlnu | nvz: i don't recall |
| 08:51.55 | nvz | josh9: mostly because I thought it was stupid it depended on a configured MTA or smtp |
| 08:52.09 | nvz | then someone had told me at one point they added an http post or something |
| 08:52.39 | debiannewbie | somiaj: yes I did that. the linux-image-2.6.38 is indeed there. maybe i should get that block of text. end of that block of text it has END then nothing else happened |
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| 08:52.46 | nvz | I dont use email much and when I do I use my gmail mostly on my cell phone |
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| 08:54.11 | qdb | hello. i closed firefox with x button. when i started, it opened page opened long time ago. it happens when ff crashes, so x button made iceweasel to crash. i should report bug |
| 08:54.47 | nvz | o.O |
| 08:54.54 | josh9 | nvz: at the end of the bug report proccess, i have a nice text report. maybe i can email that as my bug report? |
| 08:55.34 | nvz | josh9: does it have a header with Package: foo Verision: x.x.x Severity: blah.. etc? |
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| 08:56.43 | josh9 | nvz: yeah |
| 08:57.05 | nvz | josh9: mail it to submit@bugs.debian.org with a breif description of the bug in the subject line |
| 08:57.35 | josh9 | nvz: should i have something like <package name> - description ? |
| 08:57.50 | nvz | josh9: no the headers in the body of the message tell it all that info |
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| 08:58.07 | nvz | josh9: the subject line will be the breif description that will show on the bts |
| 08:58.20 | josh9 | nvz: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" |
| 08:58.32 | josh9 | this is the first line, is that what u mean by headers? |
| 08:59.02 | nvz | josh9: a bug header contains Package:, Version:, Severity: etc.. |
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| 08:59.24 | nvz | josh9: that information tells the bts how to file the bug |
| 09:00.02 | josh9 | nvz: ok. will my email be exposed on the internet? i can use my non-primary email if that's the case |
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| 09:00.31 | josh9 | also, should i mention the hardware i use? what laptop/model etc |
| 09:00.34 | MrFrood | josh9: yes |
| 09:00.52 | MrFrood | (yes to exposed) |
| 09:00.58 | josh9 | ok |
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| 09:01.20 | nvz | josh9: yes your email name and address will be shown |
| 09:01.35 | josh9 | nvz: ok |
| 09:01.47 | nvz | josh9: it also will send you a confirmation and any updates about your bug |
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| 09:06.05 | josh9 | nvz: so i shouldn't expect spam unless a bot decided to scrape the site. |
| 09:06.23 | josh9 | i am afraid to give an email i barely check |
| 09:06.28 | josh9 | and i'll miss updates |
| 09:07.18 | nvz | josh9: idk I use my gmail and the spam filters are pretty damn good.. I've never suspected any spam from my reports |
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| 09:07.53 | nvz | I just dont file many because I dont find a whole lot of issues in things I use, and when I do the maintainers always seem to not agree with me.. heh |
| 09:08.38 | nvz | like when I said wicd should conflict with network-manager like it used to. the maintainer flat out said no, which I think is stupid cause wicd will not work with network-manager forcing you to manually stop or uninstall it |
| 09:09.47 | josh9 | nvz: skype crashes my x when i use video conf.. can't see a way to fight this one |
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| 09:10.31 | nvz | josh9: I wasnt aware skype was even in debian |
| 09:10.46 | josh9 | nvz: yeah, and also got 64bit |
| 09:11.01 | nvz | josh9: news to me.. I havent used it in ages |
| 09:11.16 | josh9 | nvz: if there was a good open source altenative, i'll use it, but i am afraid skype/msf is the only solution |
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| 09:11.59 | nvz | josh9: I tried skype when it was in its infancy.. a user mentioned it in here about 10 years ago and wanted someone to help him test it, so I did |
| 09:12.21 | nvz | josh9: also used it for awhile when I had a pocketpc to turn it into a cell phone.. its a nice program |
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| 09:14.25 | josh9 | nice and cheap for international calls |
| 09:15.03 | PerfDave | nice, cheap, insecure, pwns your network.... ;) |
| 09:15.08 | nvz | yeah dirt cheap.. last I checked $3 for unlimited us/canada/mexico but now google voice does it and apparently thats free |
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| 09:15.41 | nvz | think google voice thing does video as well |
| 09:15.55 | josh9 | nvz: google voice doesn't work for me on debian |
| 09:16.21 | josh9 | but gmail has a calling feature that works. |
| 09:16.49 | josh9 | i thought it's kind of the same - google voice and the calling feauter on gmail. but i guess not. |
| 09:17.10 | nvz | I thought it was too |
| 09:17.31 | josh9 | nvz: i hate the settings on google voice. it's so confusing. |
| 09:17.42 | nvz | thought talk/voice all that was the same thing |
| 09:18.12 | nvz | all I know is lately been getting random "girls" sending me talk requests that come to my phone even though I have my mode set to invisible on there |
| 09:18.35 | josh9 | can i set it up so that calling my gv number will dial my computer and if i am not online to dial my phone? |
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| 09:19.04 | nvz | shrugs |
| 09:19.14 | josh9 | how do u use it? |
| 09:19.18 | nvz | I dont |
| 09:19.31 | nvz | I only use gmail seems to be a virus that comes along with it.. heh |
| 09:21.00 | nvz | I didnt even look at it until the other day when some "girl" (there are no girls on the internet) sent me messages on it and it got my attention on my cell phone and they were being all stupid and AOL chat like, asking me a/s/l and shit |
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| 09:21.44 | nvz | told them this is my PRIVATE email I use only for business and not AOL chat.. was a persistent brat :-P |
| 09:22.03 | nvz | idk how they even got hold of me on there but I wasnt happy about it |
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| 09:24.06 | shellox_ | mdadm --detail /dev/md1 is the way to check if the raid is working, right? |
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| 09:24.42 | houken | WormFood: |
| 09:24.49 | PrickelPit | or cat /proc/mdstat |
| 09:26.51 | shellox_ | dok |
| 09:26.57 | shellox_ | ok* |
| 09:27.01 | shellox_ | seems to work |
| 09:27.21 | shellox_ | I'm just not sure if it's able to boot from both disks with grub |
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| 09:41.28 | innociv | Erm. If I have "Match group sftp ChrootDirectory /home/httpd/groups/%u" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config and I do sudo "useradd test -G sftp -p password -m" why doesn't the folder home/httpd/groups/test get created? |
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| 09:44.59 | PerfDave | innociv: Why would useradd pay attention to your sshd config? |
| 09:46.08 | innociv | so I have to mkdir if a home directory isn't /home/user? Oh hell, yeah, it make /home/test |
| 09:46.46 | PerfDave | innociv: You can tell useradd to put a home directory in /home/httpd/groups if you want, you just have to do it through useradd's config/command line |
| 09:47.56 | ojtimsen | innociv: the parameter -d would define where the home directy of the user should be - but will not create the folder by its own |
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| 09:48.58 | ojtimsen | innociv: but as you already the -mparameter it should get created combined with the -d I guess |
| 09:49.34 | PerfDave | Probably better to have "-b /home/httpd/groups" as a parameter to useradd |
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| 09:49.49 | PerfDave | Although putting stuff in /home/httpd/ is a shitty RedHat way of doing things |
| 09:50.08 | PerfDave | I mean, Debian doesn't even have an httpd user |
| 09:50.28 | simonlnu | fhs -> /srv/ debian -> /var/www/ |
| 09:50.48 | simonlnu | closest debian has is www-data |
| 09:50.54 | nvz | last I read the fhs /srv/ had no explaination |
| 09:51.04 | PerfDave | keeps his sites in /srv/www/$sitename |
| 09:51.24 | nvz | but I've used it for all sorts of things /srv/samba, /srv/www, I even tend to throw my OpenSim chroots in there |
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| 09:51.50 | PerfDave | I'll be putting my Apache chroots in there when I get round to sorting that out |
| 09:53.17 | shellox_ | weird |
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| 09:53.37 | shellox_ | i tried if my machine can boot with just 1/2 disks in the md and it worked |
| 09:53.48 | shellox_ | now i added the second on again, so it should be 2/2 |
| 09:53.54 | shellox_ | but it still use just 1 |
| 09:54.34 | nvz | it assumed a failure most likely and you'd need to rebuild the array |
| 09:54.53 | nvz | not real raid savvy but as I understand thats the way it works |
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| 09:55.50 | simonlnu | yeh |
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| 09:56.55 | kmmndr | hi all :-) |
| 09:57.21 | shellox_ | nvz: normally it should rebuild itself.. |
| 09:57.56 | innociv | -b didn't make /home/test but it didn't make /home/httpd/groups/test either. |
| 09:58.15 | innociv | "sudo useradd test -G sftp -p password -b /home/httpd/groups/test" |
| 09:58.30 | kmmndr | I'm having an issue with grub on squeeze, it's a raid5 configuration where I've had to change a disk ... now I need to grub-install on the new disk, but it hangs |
| 09:58.35 | kmmndr | any idea ? |
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| 10:01.58 | shellox_ | nvz: got it |
| 10:02.19 | PerfDave | innociv: That's not how you use -b. man useradd |
| 10:03.09 | innociv | I need to combine it with -m? |
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| 10:03.41 | PerfDave | innociv: You need to read the manpage |
| 10:03.47 | innociv | I did |
| 10:04.09 | innociv | And I got it. Yeah I needed m, and needed base dir to be /home/httpd/groups |
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| 10:04.51 | tawtaw | which user runs cron daily? |
| 10:04.53 | dadrian | Hello i keep getting msgs like kernel: [496954.470807] martian source 173.194.70.188 from 10.89.158.188, on dev eth1 altho eth1 has 192.168.1.1 as ip and i only have one route defined that points to the gateway on eth0. Can't find a lot of info on google except that it has to do with the route table |
| 10:05.55 | PerfDave | tawtaw: Any user can run cron daily. |
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| 10:06.21 | tawtaw | PerfDave: sure :) but who runs cron daily by default when run from /etc/init.d during startup? |
| 10:06.32 | efaistos | hello |
| 10:06.36 | ham5 | usually root tawtaw, chek /ect/crontab |
| 10:06.41 | p0g0 | dadrian: iirc, a martian source indicates that you have packets on the wrong net . You can reaad about it in the shorewall docs if you cannot find any other explanations. |
| 10:06.51 | efaistos | is there a way to know when the first version of a package has been introduced in debian ? |
| 10:06.51 | PerfDave | tawtaw: Do you mean "As which user are the scripts in /etc/cron.daily executed"? |
| 10:07.04 | tawtaw | PerfDave: yes i think so |
| 10:07.08 | tawtaw | ham5: it does not mention the user |
| 10:07.36 | efaistos | I (the company where I work) needs a subversion version for ... potato :( |
| 10:07.51 | efaistos | but cant find it in archive.debian.org |
| 10:07.53 | PerfDave | tawtaw: /etc/crontab details how the scripts in /etc/cron.*/ are run |
| 10:08.24 | tawtaw | PerfDave: it does not mention which user runs /etc/cron.daily |
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| 10:09.00 | shellox_ | lol |
| 10:09.06 | shellox_ | wikipedia is such a fail |
| 10:09.12 | shellox_ | only the german part |
| 10:09.14 | joelucas | Get Paid for Clicking advertisments online - http://www.clixsense.com/?3725691 |
| 10:09.47 | PerfDave | tawtaw: My /etc/crontab does... |
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| 10:09.52 | shellox_ | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_mining |
| 10:09.52 | dadrian | p0g0: indeed, but can't pinpoint what's wrong since it's has a simple routeing table |
| 10:10.16 | tawtaw | PerfDave: what does it say? |
| 10:10.49 | p0g0 | dadrian: you should be able to log the packet and by inspection sort out the MAC address fo the card then find that card, if by no other means. |
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| 10:11.25 | simonlnu | ty idoru |
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| 10:12.32 | PerfDave | tawtaw: Why don't you pastebin yours? |
| 10:13.46 | tawtaw | PerfDave: thank you for your help. |
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| 10:34.01 | qdb | i have removed evolution but menu items still here and they do not work |
| 10:34.06 | qdb | bug |
| 10:36.02 | qdb | hm it is going to remove totem, file roller ? why ??? http://paste2.org/p/1843467 |
| 10:36.36 | qdb | and also gedit and codecs |
| 10:36.42 | PerfDave | "aptitude why" can help explain why things are going to be added / removed |
| 10:37.21 | PerfDave | I expect that totem etc. were automatically installed to support evolution, and will be removed now you've said you don't want evolution any more. |
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| 10:38.21 | qdb | PerfDave, so apt should be enhanced so that it distinguishes things like libraries and things like totem |
| 10:38.39 | PerfDave | qdb: That's an interesting definition of "enhanced". |
| 10:38.47 | ham5 | lol |
| 10:39.04 | qdb | and i .... that gedit was for evolution |
| 10:39.09 | PerfDave | I don't want craploads of supporting apps hanging around my system for things I've removed. |
| 10:39.10 | qdb | i ll check |
| 10:39.21 | PerfDave | And if I want them, I'll tell apt to keep them. |
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| 10:39.48 | ham5 | its supposed to know you want to keep an app after it was only installed because of another app depended on it |
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| 10:41.16 | mjt | PerfDave: actually apt already does exactly that thing -- it keeps track of applications you installed explicitly and packages which were installed automatically as a dependency of something , and offers you to autoremove unneeded things. |
| 10:41.41 | mjt | (or it should be addressed to qdb) |
| 10:41.47 | ham5 | yes |
| 10:41.53 | qdb | PerfDave, ham5, mjt http://paste2.org/p/1843472 |
| 10:42.12 | mjt | gnome-core Depends gedit (>= 2.30) |
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| 10:43.23 | PerfDave | And gnome-core will be removed when you purge evolution |
| 10:43.31 | PerfDave | With gnome-core gone there's no reason to keep gedit |
| 10:43.49 | qdb | and gnome core is not installed now, it has been just removed with evolution |
| 10:44.25 | qdb | PerfDave, why no reason? i have tried it to run, it works |
| 10:44.40 | mjt | you tried to run gnome-core? |
| 10:44.46 | qdb | i tried gedit |
| 10:44.53 | mjt | sure gedit works |
| 10:44.55 | PerfDave | qdb: Because gedit was only installed because evolution was. With evolution removed, there's no reason to keep gedit, because you haven't said you want it installed. |
| 10:45.18 | qdb | PerfDave, ok i understand the way it thinks |
| 10:45.27 | qdb | have understood |
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| 10:46.11 | mjt | actually there's one missing piece, i think. When you install the system initially, /var/lib/apt/extended_status file is not populated. So it is not known that gedit was installed not explicitly but as a dependency of gnome-core. But when you choose to install bare system initially and later install gnome-core, things will work as expected. |
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| 10:46.56 | mjt | (/var/lib/apt/extended_status is the file which records which pkgs were installed automatically and which due to dependency) |
| 10:47.33 | mjt | am i right that it is not populated for new install? |
| 10:48.18 | chalcedony | i got a warning note up at the top of my monitor: "your internet has been disconnected" - i now have *no* internet connection. is that a debian warning? |
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| 10:48.40 | qdb | thank you |
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| 10:48.58 | ham5 | sounds like the networkmanager chalcedony |
| 10:49.09 | PerfDave | chalcedony: I don't think I've ever seen a message like that. |
| 10:49.22 | mjt | unplug your network and you'll see it :) |
| 10:49.32 | chalcedony | mjt, it is? |
| 10:49.51 | mjt | it is the message from networkmanager, yes |
| 10:50.03 | mjt | a message even |
| 10:50.03 | chalcedony | i'm on a laptop connected to the same switch, netgear router and comcast cable modem. |
| 10:50.27 | chalcedony | vonage works |
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| 10:51.04 | chalcedony | my computer isn't seeing ANY network even with a different cable connected directly to the negear router |
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| 10:52.11 | chalcedony | i might have two problems because the netgear router might have developed a bad port, which could do that to the direct cable |
| 10:52.24 | chalcedony | i can test that by moving the laptop in there and using that wire |
| 10:52.50 | ham5 | internet ever worked? |
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| 10:53.32 | chalcedony | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:53.45 | chalcedony | with ubuntu and now debian |
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| 10:55.10 | ompaul | so wire it into the port the laptop is on and test the port |
| 10:57.09 | ham5 | its the laptop droping connection intermittinly? |
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| 11:00.09 | chalcedony | ham5, previous to this i would have said yes absolutely i know the internet connection was iffy |
| 11:00.19 | chalcedony | this time the laptop had a connection |
| 11:00.31 | chalcedony | other computers on the lan lost connection before |
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| 11:01.26 | ham5 | your naming to many devices, and not a real problem.. especially debian specific.. im sorry |
| 11:01.41 | chalcedony | yeah i'm a little confused |
| 11:01.50 | chalcedony | let me go test that wire |
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| 11:07.42 | QUICKSTRE | FILM STREAMING http://quickstream.altervista.org/ |
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| 11:22.09 | project2501a | what's the difference between libc6 and glibc? |
| 11:22.31 | PerfDave | libc6 is a package in Debian, glibc isn't? |
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| 11:23.01 | project2501a | ok, by the name only, it sounds like two different c libraries |
| 11:23.03 | moskvat | hi |
| 11:23.11 | project2501a | hi, a/s/l? |
| 11:23.16 | project2501a | OS? |
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| 11:24.59 | moskvat | I installed debian 6, when I restart, it does not restart the computer system only, has to solve? |
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| 11:29.29 | PerfDave | moskvat: I'm sorry, I don't understnad what you're trying to say. |
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| 11:30.43 | moskvat | PerfDave, I have windows 7 and debian, debian does not restart the computer only the system |
| 11:31.27 | unkmar | he means coldreboot |
| 11:32.05 | codename | hi |
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| 11:32.37 | codename | i woke up, turned computer on, and xorg said fuck off :" |
| 11:32.55 | moskvat | PerfDave, understand? |
| 11:32.56 | codename | could you help me? i think something is broken |
| 11:33.03 | unkmar | moskvat: you can use /sbin/coldreboot |
| 11:33.13 | nkuttler | !tell codename about errors |
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| 11:33.28 | moskvat | coldreboot? |
| 11:33.30 | codename | first i tell you what is weird |
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| 11:33.58 | codename | xorg said that horizsync is set as default 30-2011.120 :" |
| 11:34.05 | codename | :| |
| 11:34.25 | codename | but i got error VESA(0): no valid modes |
| 11:35.01 | JonChisciotte | Hi, I'm trying to remap my keyboard with xkb: I want RWIN+AD12 to write "greater" character, so I've created my type and replaced the key, but it doesn't work even if I replace the type with the copy of the already assigned type. http://pastebin.com/jeEbCV22 Which is my error? (I'm on debian testing, maybe it's not just-debian related topic, if I should ask somewhere else please point me to...) Thanks! |
| 11:35.04 | codename | i have created xorg.conf with xorg -configure then i ran xorg -config ./PATH but xorg still is loading xorg.conf.d |
| 11:35.35 | codename | i removed xorg and installed again |
| 11:35.38 | moskvat | unkmar, I ran the reboot from the command line and only restarts linux |
| 11:35.38 | codename | nothing |
| 11:35.52 | PerfDave | moskvat: I'm not sure what you mean by "restart the computer only the system". |
| 11:36.10 | PerfDave | moskvat: What do you do in Debian to restart, what actually happens and what would you expect to happen? |
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| 11:36.35 | unkmar | moskvat: i said coldreboot. different program. |
| 11:37.05 | JonChisciotte | codename: is your mobo attached to an hdmi connector other then to the monitor? |
| 11:37.22 | unkmar | PerfDave: It only restarts the linux. Won't give the bios or the boot menu. |
| 11:38.16 | PerfDave | unkmar: I was asking moskvat :) |
| 11:39.44 | moskvat | PerfDave, i'm use the command reboot |
| 11:40.07 | moskvat | and shutdown menu |
| 11:40.09 | PerfDave | moskvat: OK, and what is it doing, and how does it differ from what you expect? |
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| 11:41.18 | moskvat | PerfDave, He finishes everything and reboot back to Linux, bypassing the grub |
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| 11:42.10 | comradekingu | aaa---------------------------- |
| 11:42.31 | moskvat | sorry my english is bad PerfDave |
| 11:42.34 | comradekingu | */ |
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| 11:44.29 | moskvat | he should go back to choose between windows and linux. not? |
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| 11:49.04 | PerfDave | moskvat: Hmm, that's odd - when I run the reboot command, it reboots the system, bootloader and all. Which version of Debian are you running? |
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| 11:49.19 | codename | wrrrr |
| 11:49.30 | moskvat | PerfDave, debian 6 squeeze |
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| 11:49.43 | codename | xchat still hangs aggrhhhrrrr |
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| 11:50.49 | PerfDave | moskvat: Are you sure it's not just bringing up the bootloader too quickly for you to see? |
| 11:51.03 | codename | could you tell me why it is that i didn't do anything but xorg crushed? |
| 11:51.06 | moskvat | PerfDave, both desktop and notebook he does it. |
| 11:51.19 | codename | it is no longer works with atomode |
| 11:51.23 | codename | magic |
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| 11:52.06 | PerfDave | moskvat: That does not answer my question |
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| 11:53.04 | moskvat | PerfDave, no, if I turn off the computer and start it again, it appears the grub menu. |
| 11:54.15 | codename | damn |
| 11:54.29 | codename | what do i have to do to run xorg in 1024x768 mode?? |
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| 11:55.05 | codename | nothing works |
| 11:55.55 | lord_rob | 1024*768 ??? duh |
| 11:56.02 | PerfDave | moskvat: Hmm, that's very strange and doesn't happen on any of my systems :/ |
| 11:56.04 | codename | well wrong |
| 11:56.19 | codename | xorg runs in virtual resolution mode |
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| 11:56.25 | codename | scrollable 800x600 |
| 11:56.35 | codename | fuck xorg |
| 11:57.09 | moskvat | PerfDave, one bug? |
| 11:57.14 | lord_rob | tried xfree86 ? |
| 11:57.49 | codename | true is that debian is fucking annoing |
| 11:58.11 | codename | i didn\t anything and xorg stoped working! |
| 11:58.15 | PerfDave | codename: Debian's lovely. You're fucking annoying ;) |
| 11:58.32 | codename | yea? |
| 11:58.38 | lord_rob | PerfDave: hehe |
| 11:58.56 | codename | so why the hell some idiot wrote 2011 value to horizsync in xorg default rules?? |
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| 11:59.12 | PerfDave | codename: They did it just to irritate you, I'm sure. |
| 11:59.22 | codename | i have updated xorg package and xorg is dead |
| 11:59.35 | codename | no really |
| 11:59.38 | PerfDave | codename: Why don't you cut the swearing, and ask some sensible questions about how to achieve what you're trying to achieve? |
| 11:59.40 | lord_rob | there's something called downgrade |
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| 11:59.50 | codename | who is testing it before it is released? |
| 11:59.56 | PerfDave | codename: You are |
| 12:00.02 | lord_rob | :-) |
| 12:00.07 | mjt | more recent xorg requires recent kernel too |
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| 12:00.20 | PerfDave | Although if you're going to claim that "updating the Xorg package" is the same as "I didn't do anything", I'm not going to try and support your questions. |
| 12:00.34 | codename | downgrade - i know but i couldnot find it in aptitude lol |
| 12:00.37 | mjt | ie, an nvidia (nouveau) driver may not work with squeeze kernel at all |
| 12:00.47 | lord_rob | codename: using sid ? |
| 12:00.57 | codename | sqeeze |
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| 12:01.08 | codename | stable |
| 12:01.28 | codename | and i dont use opensource nvidia nvpau |
| 12:01.39 | lord_rob | and it stopped working since you updraded lenny -> squeeze ? |
| 12:01.46 | PerfDave | If you're using Debian stable, you didn't update Xorg. |
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| 12:02.30 | codename | but where was 2 updates |
| 12:02.30 | mjt | lets everyone guess instead of letting codename to describe his situation :) |
| 12:02.45 | codename | xserver-video-all |
| 12:02.47 | codename | xserver-xorg |
| 12:03.11 | codename | with something like +squeeze1... at end |
| 12:03.11 | mjt | ,versions xserver-xorg |
| 12:03.12 | PerfDave | mjt: codename doesn't seem to be particularly bothered about actually saying what their problem is and giving people information to help them, rather than just swearing and ranting. |
| 12:03.13 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.3+20; squeeze: 1:7.5+8; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1:7.5+8+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1:7.5+8+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1:7.6+8~bpo60+1; sid: 1:7.6+10; wheezy: 1:7.6+10 |
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| 12:03.50 | mjt | so the updated xorg on squeeze is of version 1:7.5+8+squeeze1, which is a security update for 1:7.5+8 |
| 12:03.56 | codename | well i have reinstalled debian yesterday |
| 12:04.00 | codename | that was an update lol |
| 12:04.20 | mjt | ok, it is not worth continuing this conversation |
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| 12:04.28 | valdyn | !lol |
| 12:04.28 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 12:04.48 | codename | what ever |
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| 12:05.15 | mjt | poor dpkg :) |
| 12:05.55 | lord_rob | there was apt before (before before) |
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| 12:06.08 | codename | ok so i got now virtual screen 1024x768 on 800x600 resolution |
| 12:06.14 | codename | great :| |
| 12:06.30 | lord_rob | what's your video card ? |
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| 12:07.10 | codename | nvidia |
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| 12:07.19 | codename | i tried on nv and vesa |
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| 12:07.34 | nsadmin | hi. |
| 12:07.40 | lord_rob | you must keep trying nv |
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| 12:07.54 | BaltecoTroll | ppl, any help with debian/ia64? |
| 12:07.58 | lord_rob | vesa will not give you better results |
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| 12:08.28 | codename | but i used vesa after installation |
| 12:08.38 | lord_rob | you should then use proprietary nvidia drivers |
| 12:08.39 | codename | so i'm trying anything |
| 12:08.48 | codename | chanched to nv |
| 12:08.54 | lord_rob | it's the only solution atm |
| 12:09.22 | lord_rob | but it requires additional operation |
| 12:10.02 | codename | ok what i have to do to back to previous settings? |
| 12:10.06 | mjt | how did you change to nv? |
| 12:10.13 | codename | when everyghing works without config files? |
| 12:10.35 | codename | i've set driver to nv |
| 12:10.43 | codename | in xorg.conf |
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| 12:11.14 | babilen | codename: Could you run "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" and paste the result? |
| 12:11.24 | babilen | !tell codename -about empty xorg.conf |
| 12:11.29 | lord_rob | xorg doesn't even need xorg.conf, does it ? |
| 12:11.32 | babilen | !tell codename -about xorg.conf.d |
| 12:11.46 | codename | there is no such directory |
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| 12:12.49 | codename | is dpkg a bot? |
| 12:13.26 | babilen | codename: "You might have to create the directory yourself (mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d)" but please give me the result of that command. It is quite likely that you need to install nvidia drivers. Do you have an optimus card? |
| 12:13.30 | mjt | !bot |
| 12:13.30 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 12:13.46 | babilen | codename: Yes, dpkg is a bot and it sent you private messages with further information. |
| 12:14.34 | codename | oh sorry i didn't notices command you wrote |
| 12:15.04 | codename | damn it is so so long to retype... wait... |
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| 12:15.27 | babilen | codename: What is so long to retype? |
| 12:15.35 | codename | lspci command |
| 12:15.56 | lord_rob | select text, middle mouse button to paste |
| 12:15.56 | babilen | codename: I've seen worse (and you will too soon) |
| 12:16.04 | codename | i |
| 12:16.10 | codename | i;m on a laptop |
| 12:16.16 | codename | but xorg crushed on pc |
| 12:16.27 | lord_rob | middle mouse = two buttons then |
| 12:16.31 | codename | the same what is in xorg.conf |
| 12:17.02 | codename | shortly - vga compatible, nvidia c61 geforce 7025 nforce 630a |
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| 12:17.34 | codename | lord_rob i cant copy from laptop and paste to pc :P |
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| 12:18.18 | babilen | !tell codename -about nvidia dkms |
| 12:18.36 | codename | 91 something |
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| 12:19.00 | codename | but i didn't have nvidia before |
| 12:19.21 | babilen | codename: Follow that factoid to install the nvidia driver - Make sure you remove any /etc/X11/xorg.conf that might be in place as well. |
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| 12:19.34 | codename | not works |
| 12:19.39 | codename | i have tried it |
| 12:19.48 | codename | nvidia legacy 7* |
| 12:19.54 | codename | nvidia legacy 9* |
| 12:19.59 | codename | nvidia legacy 10* |
| 12:20.24 | lord_rob | have you tried module-assistant ? |
| 12:20.30 | lord_rob | very easy |
| 12:20.37 | babilen | lord_rob: dkms is typically very much preferred |
| 12:20.37 | codename | 10 years of using only linux and always i getting problems such this one |
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| 12:21.00 | codename | dunno - but do i have to use nvidia, really? |
| 12:21.12 | codename | i only wanna turn virtual screen off |
| 12:21.15 | babilen | codename: You don't need the legacy driver |
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| 12:21.56 | _ramo | hi |
| 12:22.08 | codename | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 12:22.10 | lord_rob | babilen: it's possible. this time I've bought an ATI just to avoid those proprietary drivers problem ;-) |
| 12:22.21 | codename | i love aptitude |
| 12:22.29 | codename | no kernel modules of nvidia installed |
| 12:22.35 | _ramo | is it possible to change the "name" of my machine, say ramo@testmachine:~$ to ramo@mymachine:~$ ? |
| 12:23.16 | lord_rob | change /etc/hostname and reboot |
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| 12:24.40 | testswap | Hello, instead of running multiple sftp command s to upload a directory, is it possble to do it in one line? |
| 12:24.52 | PerfDave | I have nVidia hardware and I use the free nvidia driver and nouveau rather than the proprietary one. |
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| 12:25.28 | valdyn | testswap: scp -r <dir> |
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| 12:26.01 | testswap | ok |
| 12:26.04 | mjt | nouveau doesn't provide any good 3d so far, but i use it too |
| 12:26.10 | ompaul | testswap: scp -rp to keep permissions |
| 12:26.15 | _ramo | thanks lord_rob |
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| 12:26.21 | lord_rob | np |
| 12:26.30 | testswap | thanks |
| 12:26.55 | PerfDave | mjt: Depends on what you mean by "good 3d". It's not good for gaming, but for accelerated desktop effects it's fine, assuming you've got the right hardware. |
| 12:27.12 | mjt | yes, desktop is ok gaming is not |
| 12:27.26 | PerfDave | Tuxracer's OK ;) |
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| 12:27.51 | valdyn | most or all of the fps shipping with debian seemed to work fine |
| 12:28.20 | valdyn | hmm, but that was with sid nouveau |
| 12:28.25 | testswap | ompaul: for just one file, scp file right? |
| 12:28.32 | testswap | I could test :) |
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| 12:29.29 | tapout | morning, when I do aptitude update, it wants to install mysql-common, how can I see which package is wanting that? |
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| 12:30.52 | codename | what is a command to remove all nvidia packages? |
| 12:31.08 | codename | aptitude is a big shitty shit and block packages |
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| 12:31.37 | _ramo | if i set up a virtual machine on a host (that haas the IP 192.168.1.100, that host is availabel from outside) and i don't want that virtual machien to be accessible from outside (the internet) just from the host, what do i have to configure exactly? |
| 12:31.39 | tapout | aptitude search nvidia | grep "^i" will reveal all them.. |
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| 12:31.46 | tapout | aptitude purge *nvidia* probably |
| 12:31.53 | tapout | "*nvidia*" |
| 12:31.55 | tapout | maybe |
| 12:32.01 | project2501a | kill it with fire |
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| 12:32.16 | PerfDave | _ramo: iptables? |
| 12:32.59 | mjt | _ramo: what _is_ a virtual machine to start with? The answer to your question depends on your configuration. |
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| 12:33.12 | codename | great |
| 12:33.18 | codename | i removing debian |
| 12:33.20 | _ramo | mjt: a virtual machine is a virtual machine that is running on that host |
| 12:33.22 | mjt | by default qemu/kvm-based virtual machines are not accessible from outside |
| 12:33.26 | ojtimsen | _ramo: you can set in the virtual machine settings the networking mode to NAT instead of bridged then the virtual machine is not accessable except from you phys. machine |
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| 12:33.28 | codename | 2 hours and nothing |
| 12:33.29 | PerfDave | _ramo: What's the virtual machine software you're using, what's the host OS, etc. |
| 12:33.53 | _ramo | the host OS is debian squeeze, i use qemu-kvm |
| 12:33.55 | mjt | ojtimsen: that's about virt-manager, but we don't know which _ramo is using |
| 12:34.14 | mjt | so it _is_ virt-manager :) |
| 12:34.15 | PerfDave | _ramo: And you've got bridged working, right? |
| 12:34.15 | _ramo | i have one virtual machine that is running a webserver and is publicly availabel from the internet. the host provides a bridge |
| 12:34.34 | _ramo | PerfDave: exactly, bridged networking on the host |
| 12:34.43 | PerfDave | _ramo: Sounds like you want to use iptables to disallow traffic from outside 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 12:34.57 | _ramo | PerfDave: on the virtual machine? |
| 12:35.06 | ojtimsen | codename: what are your trying? |
| 12:35.06 | tapout | How can I find out: which package is forcing mysql-common on me? |
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| 12:35.21 | PerfDave | _ramo: Yes |
| 12:35.24 | codename | it is possible to downgrde with aptitude? |
| 12:35.29 | _ramo | but PerfDave, i want to give the new virtual machine a "local" IP, say 10.0.0.10 |
| 12:35.33 | lord_rob | codename: aotitude purge debian |
| 12:35.40 | lord_rob | aptitude* |
| 12:35.43 | PerfDave | _ramo: 10.0.0.10 is a local IP, but so is 192.168.1.100 :) |
| 12:35.43 | _ramo | what do i have to configure in the virtual machines interfaces? |
| 12:36.04 | lord_rob | aptitude boot windows |
| 12:36.20 | PerfDave | _ramo: http://iptables.org/documentation/ - the "networking concepts HOWTO" might be useful for you. |
| 12:36.22 | codename | last try is downgrade all xorg shitty packages with squeeze1 at end of name |
| 12:36.36 | _ramo | on virtual machine something like: address: 10.0.0.10 , network 192.168.1.0 , broadcast same as the host have? etc.? |
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| 12:37.06 | PerfDave | _ramo: Please try reading the documentation I just pointed you to; the questions you're asking don't make sense. |
| 12:37.16 | lord_rob | codename: I've given you the instructions to solve your nvidia problem and it works for you 100% |
| 12:37.18 | _ramo | okay |
| 12:37.21 | _ramo | thank you |
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| 12:37.34 | PerfDave | _ramo: And if you start doing things without understanding what you're doing, you end up like codename swearing all over the place and getting nowhere ;) |
| 12:37.45 | codename | no works |
| 12:37.48 | _ramo | ;) |
| 12:38.19 | codename | first dialog says "no screens found" and second "screens found but no configuration" |
| 12:38.25 | codename | packages are procken |
| 12:38.47 | codename | nvidia no load in any version at all |
| 12:39.27 | PerfDave | suspects that codename has used the binary installer from the nvidia website |
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| 12:40.43 | codename | i'm using aptitude |
| 12:41.13 | codename | ok - how can i downgrade xorg package to normal version without squeeze at end? |
| 12:41.59 | codename | i use linux for 10 years |
| 12:42.22 | codename | and i am SURE this is a reason - xorg died after i update to squeeze1 |
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| 12:43.10 | PerfDave | codename: And you haven't learned how to work with people to fix your problems, by giving a clear concise explanation and providing information when requested? I'm amazed. |
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| 12:43.31 | codename | i have gave you everything |
| 12:43.46 | chalcedony | sometimes people try very hard and just don't get it |
| 12:43.47 | codename | see |
| 12:43.54 | codename | a repeat |
| 12:44.06 | codename | i have installed debian yesterday |
| 12:44.18 | codename | no xorg config - xorg works |
| 12:44.28 | PerfDave | Right, I'm out of time for #debian, time to go do family stuff |
| 12:44.31 | codename | i have update xorg to squeeze1 at end |
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| 12:44.46 | chalcedony | have a good day PerfDave |
| 12:44.52 | tapout | MYSQL-COMMON keeps trying to install.. how do I see WHY? |
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| 12:45.00 | codename | turn off pc and today xorg didn;t up |
| 12:45.01 | PerfDave | tapout: aptitude why? |
| 12:45.02 | mntzn | codename: any ati/nvidia drivers? |
| 12:45.11 | codename | no nvidia at all |
| 12:45.20 | PerfDave | codename: What does your /var/log/Xorg.0.log say? |
| 12:45.32 | mntzn | codename: cat ~/.xsession_errors |
| 12:45.34 | m6502 | tapout: apt-cache rdepends mysql-common |
| 12:45.51 | valdyn | mntzn: that file is only touched after X is already running |
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| 12:45.57 | tapout | PerfDave ... mumble-server wants mysql-common, how do i tell it to piss off ... I have percona already installed |
| 12:46.04 | codename | i told you this too, but ok i repeat |
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| 12:47.17 | valdyn | codename: generally we dont want to see you quote or repeat anything, just paste the log file(s) you get asked for on a paste site |
| 12:47.25 | codename | xorg log says that xorg have been trying find video mode - 1024, 800, 600, 320, etc |
| 12:47.25 | codename | but |
| 12:47.25 | codename | he says no valid modes |
| 12:47.25 | codename | and now a bomb |
| 12:47.25 | codename | illegal horizontal timing |
| 12:47.25 | codename | and i say packaga is brocken cuz... |
| 12:47.36 | mntzn | codename: have you tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 12:47.51 | codename | "Using hsync range of 31.50--2011.39 kHz" |
| 12:47.52 | chalcedony | i realize this is #debian and not hardware - but i'm not sure what's broken and some of it at least could be debian. id be very grateful if anyone would read through my problem? http://pastebin.com/zdUZxbsd |
| 12:48.07 | codename | yes i have tried |
| 12:48.22 | codename | i can't paste enythng - i am on a laptop |
| 12:48.39 | nkuttler | codename: sure you can paste everything... |
| 12:48.59 | codename | do u see "2011.39 kHz:? |
| 12:49.04 | codename | this is a fucking reason |
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| 12:49.28 | codename | ok i share xorg logs |
| 12:49.38 | codename | i have apache installed |
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| 12:49.58 | valdyn | chalcedony: unlikely we can help you with that info. Those routers are often trash and can die on simple things like just playing warcraft on battle.net |
| 12:50.10 | nkuttler | !tell codename about pastebinit |
| 12:50.22 | valdyn | chalcedony: so try and see if you can reproduce the error |
| 12:50.31 | mwarning | hi, I like to install the pan news reader, but it doesn't seem to be listed in synaptic. Any idea what could be wrong? |
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| 12:51.29 | valdyn | judd: versions pan |
| 12:51.30 | judd | Package: pan on i386 -- lenny: 0.132-3.1; sid: 0.133-1.1; squeeze: 0.133-1.1 |
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| 12:51.43 | valdyn | mwarning: your /etc/apt/sources.list could be wrong |
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| 12:52.13 | valdyn | mwarning: or you could be running wheezy, where pan currently isn't |
| 12:52.20 | chalcedny | hmm! what does it mean if you type ifconfig in debian, and get command not found? |
| 12:52.36 | codename | http://pastebin.com/4G8JYZYC |
| 12:52.42 | valdyn | chalcedony: means that /sbin is not in your $PATH |
| 12:52.48 | mwarning | valdyn, ah, that's it. I use wheezy |
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| 12:53.29 | codename | check line 1598 |
| 12:53.39 | mwarning | valdyn, is there a way to work around it? |
| 12:54.15 | valdyn | codename: /etc/X11/xorg.conf exists? |
| 12:54.20 | codename | no |
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| 12:54.36 | codename | after install too |
| 12:54.49 | codename | there is xorg.conf.d too |
| 12:54.55 | codename | there is no xorg.conf.d too |
| 12:55.00 | chalcedny | valdyn, is there a better command to see what ip it wants to use? |
| 12:55.12 | valdyn | codename: "lsmod | grep nouveau" gives what? |
| 12:55.18 | codename | only change is new xorg packages with squeeze1 at end of version |
| 12:55.33 | valdyn | chalcedny: better than what? than running /sbin/ifconfig ? no |
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| 12:55.56 | codename | nothing |
| 12:56.08 | codename | no installed |
| 12:56.12 | valdyn | codename: run "modprobe nouveau" |
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| 12:57.22 | codename | weird but i loaded it |
| 12:57.30 | codename | but still the same errors |
| 12:57.33 | codename | with vesa |
| 12:57.42 | valdyn | codename: what is in /dev/dri/ ? |
| 12:58.16 | chalcedny | as root, eth0 does not show any ipv 4 ips. |
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| 12:58.39 | codename | if i can use ls to check this - no such directory |
| 12:58.56 | mjt | chalcedny: IP addresses dont depend on you being root or not |
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| 12:59.06 | tapout | dotdeb has a newer version of libmysqlclient18, and percona doesn't. When I do aptitude full-upgrade, it wants to grab the version from dotdeb, even tho i said percona is pinned at 1001. Anyone know how to fix this??? |
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| 12:59.35 | chalcedny | mjt ifconfig seems to work as root, not otherwise. |
| 12:59.48 | codename | oh wait - maybe i turned off important deamon? |
| 12:59.56 | mjt | chalcedny: ifconfig refuses to _change_ anything as non-root |
| 13:00.00 | codename | cuz i used sysv tool yesterdey |
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| 13:00.08 | nkuttler | tapout: dotdeb is known to be broken. /msg dpkg backports and use that |
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| 13:00.14 | valdyn | codename: no |
| 13:00.14 | nkuttler | !dotdeb |
| 13:00.14 | dpkg | methinks dotdeb is for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/ , but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. The packages from backports.debian.org are vastly superior. Ask me about <backports> and <debian-backports>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" |
| 13:00.14 | griob | VNC over lan, using a cellphone as the client and my desktop running a vm of debian as the server. All night, wasted on that. |
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| 13:01.31 | codename | valdyn: xorg says about horizsync and there is value -2011.(something) - out of range |
| 13:01.53 | valdyn | codename: yes, thats broken, but its not the first relevant error |
| 13:02.28 | valdyn | codename: "lsmod | grep drm" |
| 13:03.05 | codename | damn... |
| 13:03.09 | codename | wait :D |
| 13:03.13 | chalcedny | mjt i'm not sure what i'm proving, i know i can't connect to the router. do i need to restart the router to get it to see the computers? it sees the vonage phone fine. |
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| 13:04.12 | valdyn | chalcedny: run "dhclient eth0", see if you get assigned an ip |
| 13:04.28 | codename | valdyn - i have sent it to you on priv;) |
| 13:04.33 | mjt | chalcedny: it doesn't prove indeed. I thought you're thinking that as root you'll see more addresses than as non-root, and addressed that very small part. |
| 13:04.58 | valdyn | codename: you have nvidia proprietary drivers loaded |
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| 13:05.39 | valdyn | codename: run "nvidia-xconfig" |
| 13:05.58 | codename | what was a command to remove it? |
| 13:06.03 | codename | i always forgeting |
| 13:06.05 | chalcedny | valdyn, yes! it did |
| 13:06.35 | codename | rmmod :D |
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| 13:06.42 | valdyn | codename: no! |
| 13:07.28 | valdyn | codename: if i tell you to do something and you wander off to do something else we wont get anywhere |
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| 13:08.16 | valdyn | chalcedny: show us your /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 13:09.14 | codename | sorry :) |
| 13:09.26 | codename | i;m back |
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| 13:09.38 | codename | ok ok i;m listening |
| 13:09.40 | codename | :) |
| 13:09.52 | valdyn | codename: 14:05 < valdyn> codename: run "nvidia-xconfig" |
| 13:10.01 | babilen | .oO( Wasn't codename quite adamant that (s)he didn't install nvidia drivers? ) |
| 13:10.10 | valdyn | babilen: yes |
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| 13:10.34 | codename | i dont have nvidia |
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| 13:10.50 | codename | could you just help me downgrade xorg? |
| 13:10.57 | valdyn | codename: but you have a module loaded that is called "nvidia" |
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| 13:11.05 | codename | to verstion without sqeeze1? |
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| 13:11.14 | valdyn | codename: thats a weird coincidence |
| 13:11.17 | codename | where> |
| 13:11.20 | codename | where? |
| 13:11.33 | codename | stupid nvidia |
| 13:11.40 | codename | i tried install nvidia |
| 13:11.44 | babilen | heh |
| 13:11.44 | codename | but it is uninstalled |
| 13:11.56 | valdyn | codename: ok, "modprobe -r nvidia" |
| 13:12.36 | codename | done |
| 13:12.58 | valdyn | codename: please reboot, your system is fucked up for us to fix |
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| 13:13.07 | codename | ok |
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| 13:13.19 | codename | that i have thought too ;) |
| 13:13.24 | codename | rebooting |
| 13:13.35 | valdyn | codename: when the modules drm and nouveau are loaded then /dev/dri must contain something |
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| 13:14.30 | codename | O.O |
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| 13:14.56 | codename | wha... |
| 13:15.02 | codename | it is working |
| 13:15.28 | codename | what the hell? |
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| 13:16.07 | valdyn | codename: makes sense, X cant work when you have nvidia module loaded but want to use something else |
| 13:16.30 | valdyn | codename: or at the very least it might have unpredictable side effects |
| 13:16.52 | codename | well... |
| 13:17.00 | codename | ...yeaaa true |
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| 13:17.12 | codename | i have been installing nvidia yesterday |
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| 13:17.29 | codename | i forgot |
| 13:17.38 | codename | thanks :* :* :* |
| 13:18.01 | codename | so this mean nvidia doesn't works in any version |
| 13:18.05 | codename | or |
| 13:18.32 | codename | wrong nvidia haven;t been unloaded so good nvidia didn't load |
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| 13:20.29 | codename | ok so thanks a lot |
| 13:20.42 | codename | now i can back to my work |
| 13:20.51 | codename | 3 hours latter :| |
| 13:21.13 | codename | cu ;) |
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| 13:24.13 | chalced | http://pastebin.com/LztgLXkv valdyn |
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| 13:24.50 | valdyn | chalcedny: your eth0 is only controlled by network-manager or not at all. Is that what you want? |
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| 13:25.44 | Dev0n | how long does an exported vairable last in the env ? |
| 13:25.48 | Dev0n | until the system is rebooted ? |
| 13:25.54 | chalcedny | valdyn, what are the other choices? |
| 13:25.57 | tkr | Hi. Im on Wheezy. Has Window preferences been moved to some other package in gnome-control-settings? Ive been looking for a while. |
| 13:26.17 | valdyn | chalcedny: various, but do you even use the network-manager? |
| 13:26.35 | chalcedny | valdyn, ive had debian for umm 2 weeks or something |
| 13:26.48 | chalcedny | it's all new to me |
| 13:26.51 | tkr | More specifically Im looking for "Raise selected windows after an interval" -setting. |
| 13:26.59 | valdyn | chalcedny: you have a graphical user interface with somewhere a place in your top right corner to configure network |
| 13:27.12 | valdyn | chalcedny: i cant say if you have that without seeing a screenshot |
| 13:27.30 | ojtimsen | Dev0n: until you exit the shell - if you want to have a persistent envir. you can add to /etc/profile for example |
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| 13:28.02 | Dev0n | ahh ojtimsen, thanks |
| 13:28.08 | valdyn | chalcedny: anyway, that icon / app or whatever you want to call it interfaces with that network-manager |
| 13:28.30 | Dev0n | is it possible to set the variable while running an executable ? |
| 13:28.50 | Dev0n | so It's only set just before that executable is ran |
| 13:28.52 | valdyn | chalcedny: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetworkManager has a screenshot |
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| 13:29.06 | chalcedny | valdyn, there in the top right it says i have no network conection, and also that i'm in 88 channnels |
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| 13:29.56 | valdyn | chalcedny: type "groups" in your terminal, see if you are in the netdev group |
| 13:30.26 | chalcedny | valdyn, it does list netdev |
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| 13:31.33 | valdyn | chalcedny: show your /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf |
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| 13:33.16 | chalcedony | http://pastebin.com/4KxEMuvV valdyn |
| 13:33.38 | valdyn | chalcedny: ok, looks good |
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| 13:33.59 | valdyn | chalcedny: you should be alright, that applet should let you manage network |
| 13:34.19 | valdyn | chalcedny: i cant debug this whole stack, so maybe you reboot once and this fixes things |
| 13:34.30 | valdyn | chalcedny: and you can then swith on or off network there |
| 13:34.39 | chalcedony | hmm |
| 13:35.09 | chalcedony | i just realized that all my stuff is set to 192.168.3.3 and now it's 3.8 or something |
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| 13:35.58 | chalcedony | valdyn, can we force it to be 3.3 ? |
| 13:36.21 | valdyn | chalcedony: what would be the point of that? |
| 13:36.38 | chalcedony | valdyn, zncs |
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| 13:37.20 | valdyn | chalcedony: everything can be set in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:37.38 | valdyn | chalcedony: but its obviously not a GUI like your network-manager |
| 13:37.44 | valdyn | chalcedony: see "man interfaces" |
| 13:37.50 | chalcedony | i don't like guis much |
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| 13:38.12 | valdyn | chalcedony: see also /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian |
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| 13:38.54 | chalcedony | i wonder if my connections will all destroy themselves if i go to sleep without fixing this |
| 13:39.03 | chalcedony | i'm exhausted |
| 13:43.03 | ompaul | chalcedony: people don't usually have as much grief as you are having. short checklist installed firmware, ran dhclient after you did that? |
| 13:43.24 | ompaul | forget that |
| 13:43.40 | ompaul | wanders back to the land of smoke and mirrors |
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| 13:44.39 | chalcedony | ompaul, being me goes with problems - thanks for all the help :) |
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| 13:47.36 | ompaul | chalcedony: do this, turn off the router, turn off the computer, turn on the router, after 2 minutes turn on the computer. See if it works? |
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| 13:48.34 | chalcedony | ompaul, it's working now, and i'm glad you're here, necessary to do this before i sleep? |
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| 13:49.49 | ompaul | chalcedony: maybe do it after a nights sleep, if you are suggesting that you have other problems. If it all wakes up good great, if not replace your router with a borrowed one or something and then see where you are. |
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| 13:50.11 | ompaul | chalcedony: once the debian box has obtained a connection there is little left that we can do for you |
| 13:51.00 | chalcedony | ompaul, appreciate it! |
| 13:51.17 | ompaul | chalcedony: you seem to be suspicious of the router, and something's you say point in its direction. But not everthing. |
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| 13:53.13 | chalcedony | im still creeped out about why the debian computer and the laptop lost their lan connections |
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| 13:53.30 | chalcedony | i'm pretty sure the laptop's ip was 3.8 .. |
| 13:53.50 | Kull | chalcedony: my debian box used to refuse to allocate an IPv4 IP out of the box. |
| 13:54.05 | tonsofpcs | chalcedony! |
| 13:54.07 | ompaul | chalcedony: stop thinking. Write stuff down. You are currently confused I'd guess. |
| 13:54.14 | chalcedony | (((( tonsofpcs )))) |
| 13:54.24 | tonsofpcs | did undernet die? |
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| 13:54.38 | chalcedony | i'm too tired to know. pasting everything to vi(m) |
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| 13:55.44 | chalcedony | tonsofpcs, ive been on freenode for ages, you just didn't see me |
| 13:55.56 | tonsofpcs | I know that. I tried going to undernet last night and failed. |
| 13:56.03 | chalcedony | oh |
| 13:56.05 | tonsofpcs | chalcedony: do you keep the laptop plugged in during this whole thing? If not, it's possible that the machine shuts the NIC if it isn't connected post-boot. |
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| 13:56.19 | chalcedony | sorry for that, the kiddies have been having far far too much fun with undernet |
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| 13:56.33 | tonsofpcs | [yes, machines that do this exist, yes they're really annoying, yes _sometimes_ you can change it in the BIOS] |
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| 13:57.23 | chalcedony | tonsofpcs, ive done everything including poking the laptop's lan cable into the desktop. anything is possible |
| 13:58.01 | tonsofpcs | anyway, I need to run to work now, cya :) |
| 13:58.48 | chalcedony | have a wonderful day tonsofpcs :) |
| 13:58.54 | Westonnnn | I am having some toruble with kexec-tools and debian 5, I have added the kernel options crashkernel=64M@16M but upon reboot grep -i crash /proc/iomem returns nothing. |
| 13:58.56 | chalcedony | if i see you ask me for the server list |
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| 14:07.04 | stix | Hi guys. I just upgraded from lenny to squeeze. My apache2 comes with a /etc/apache2/envvars.dpkg-dist, but I don't think it is read anywhere because apache2 cannot start as it cannot resolve the envars: /etc/apache2/${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/other_vhosts_access.log |
| 14:07.19 | stix | does anyone know what's wrong? |
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| 14:08.26 | tapout | i know what's wrong, you're using apache over nginx :) |
| 14:08.33 | tapout | on a serious note, dunno |
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| 14:08.58 | koollman | stix: if it's named .dpkg-dist it means it was not written during installation (either automatically or you answered 'no' to 'do you want to overwrite this file') |
| 14:09.13 | koollman | stix: if there's no /etc/apache2/envvars file, rename it to that name. |
| 14:09.37 | stix | okay |
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| 14:38.03 | linuxfann | Guten Tag, Schaut euch doch einmal meine neue Ubuntu-Distribution an unter: topubuntu.net.ms . Würde mich über ein Feedback sehr freuen! VISIT my new Ubuntu_DIstribution on topubuntu.net.ms |
| 14:38.19 | Owner_ | linuxfann| ubuntu sucks |
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| 14:39.54 | brah | Is there any way to rebuild the package index? |
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| 14:40.22 | brah | I had a hard drive go oops and fsck worked on it for like a day. Now it works, but I'm getting some issues using dpkg. |
| 14:41.24 | dimaursu16 | hello ... brah : maybe you don't need to rebuild the package index |
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| 14:41.42 | dimaursu16 | tell more about the issues |
| 14:41.44 | brah | It says the file list for many packages are missing, and 'maybe this package didn't install any files'. |
| 14:41.53 | brah | Which is certainly not correct. |
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| 14:42.22 | dimaursu16 | can you post in on a pastebin? |
| 14:42.50 | dimaursu16 | paste.debian.net |
| 14:42.55 | brah | Roughly translated, e.g. "cowsay package is missing it's file list, it will be assumed that this package doesn't have any files installed currently" |
| 14:43.10 | henry-nicolas | Hi all, I'm running a Debian Lenny with 2 Gigabit ethernet interfaces bonded and it started to flap a few hours ago. Server uptime is > 200 (rebooted now), no SW upgrade, no errors on Cisco switch counters or in interface output. I'v the following kernel back traces in my syslog: http://pastebin.com/Z7qt7PdB Does anyone have any idea regarding this? Might it be an HW fault? |
| 14:44.57 | dimaursu16 | brah : try sudo apt-get -f install |
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| 14:45.48 | jhutchins_wk | henry-nicolas: If the software has not changed a hardware problem is likely. |
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| 14:46.36 | henry-nicolas | jhutchins_wk: actually the only changed was the rebooted of a KVM virtual machines and then, soon after that, it started to flap. |
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| 14:48.33 | ompaul | henry-nicolas: you could install jnettop (it is not a java app) and check interfaces to see if there is a huge amount of traffic anywhere |
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| 14:49.59 | henry-nicolas | ompaul: I did it now, less than 1mbps |
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| 14:50.51 | ompaul | henry-nicolas: which interface? |
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| 14:51.06 | henry-nicolas | ompaul: on the bonding one |
| 14:51.07 | ompaul | bond0? |
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| 14:51.29 | gribouille | hi |
| 14:51.35 | Owner_ | hi |
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| 14:51.45 | ompaul | henry-nicolas: so you may need to have two cards bonded at this time |
| 14:52.16 | henry-nicolas | ompaul: yes indeed, I tried to manually disable one of them, doesn't change anything and iftop is normal for all interfaces |
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| 14:53.42 | Owner_ | how does it flap |
| 14:53.49 | Owner_ | like a bird? |
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| 14:54.55 | gribouille | how can I know the packages whose configuration files have been modified since installation? |
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| 14:58.24 | valdyn | gribouille: run "debsums -e" |
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| 15:02.38 | gribouille | valdyn, is there a way to know the differences? |
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| 15:02.56 | valdyn | gribouille: the difference between what? |
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| 15:03.13 | gribouille | valdyn, between the original file and the modified one |
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| 15:03.28 | ompaul | henry-nicolas: failure to disable it means you can't work out if it is your cards or something else what so there you go. |
| 15:03.30 | valdyn | gribouille: the original config file is in the original package |
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| 15:03.42 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 15:03.59 | gribouille | valdyn, ok |
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| 15:04.44 | dury | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.00 | gribouille | is it possible to know when a package was first installed and the last time it was updated? |
| 15:05.17 | SLot | dury, /etc/init.d/apache2 status |
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| 15:06.03 | dury | SLot: thanks indeed :) |
| 15:06.38 | dury | SLot: hang on... as root? |
| 15:08.15 | SLot | dury, no. let's go pvt. |
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| 15:15.17 | gr8 | help! I'm using squeeze xfce ed. when I insert a specific windows game cd, it mounts correctly but I can't access the files: Input/Output error, even as root |
| 15:15.49 | jhutchins_wk | gr8: Welcome to DRM. |
| 15:15.57 | gr8 | this CD used to work before on Ubuntu |
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| 15:17.23 | gr8 | lol it even worked yesterday |
| 15:18.37 | gr8 | on this my system |
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| 15:20.53 | gr8 | oh dear I made a reboot, and it works. is this windows or what?! :D |
| 15:21.00 | dury | is there anyone to help me about apache server, please |
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| 15:21.28 | Owner_ | i made a reboot out of pipe cleaners |
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| 15:22.49 | cthuluh | dury: ask your real question, here or in #httpd |
| 15:23.04 | ushaft | Hi, i use 2.6.18-6-xen-amd64 #1 SMP kernel. after upgrading to squeeze, i get many of these error messages in syslog and it has made the machine slower. Any help? http://pastebin.com/r40RZEPE |
| 15:23.13 | dury | locally apache works... but to access from outside it doesn't. I've forwarded the ports but even doesn't work.. what do you suggest |
| 15:23.30 | cthuluh | dury: ip address? |
| 15:23.39 | cthuluh | or domain name, perhaps |
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| 15:24.28 | riex | Hello, where is tcpdump located in debian? :) |
| 15:24.41 | cthuluh | dury: err, ok, I'm suggesting you give us the external ip address / the domain name so that *we* can see whether forwarding has been properly set up |
| 15:24.43 | gribouille | how can I enable the autogen option while installing the debsums package? |
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| 15:24.59 | cthuluh | dury: since you can probably not access your external ip address from behind your nat |
| 15:25.08 | cthuluh | riex: aptitude search? |
| 15:25.28 | riex | cthuluh: you don't know where tcpdump is located in which folders? |
| 15:25.50 | cthuluh | riex: type -P tcpdump |
| 15:26.03 | cthuluh | gribouille: perhaps should you ask #debian-mentors (on oftc) rather |
| 15:26.13 | riex | nothing happens :P |
| 15:26.22 | gribouille | cthuluh, why? |
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| 15:27.33 | dury | cthuluh: see if you get the default page that says "it works" http://81.47.136.83:8080 |
| 15:27.36 | cthuluh | gribouille: no idea ; I misread the "debsums" part :) |
| 15:28.05 | cthuluh | dury: nope |
| 15:29.05 | dury | cthuluh: I've checked apache is running... so what's wrong :( |
| 15:29.29 | Owner_ | firewall? |
| 15:29.32 | cthuluh | your port forwarding / address translation, I guess |
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| 15:29.58 | dury | cthuluh: what's that |
| 15:30.45 | ushaft | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:31.49 | cthuluh | dury: we probably can't help you setting up your router/nat box ; check its web (?) interface twice |
| 15:32.00 | gribouille | I can't believe debian deosn't keep track of the installation time of packages |
| 15:32.01 | oeop | how do i vgchange -a y automatically "the debian way" ? |
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| 15:32.20 | oeop | gribouille: it does |
| 15:32.27 | gribouille | oeop, how? |
| 15:32.35 | oeop | gribouille: logging? |
| 15:32.44 | Owner_ | POOOOP |
| 15:32.55 | riex | can someone tell me where the tcpdump file is located in linux/debian? please :p |
| 15:33.00 | gribouille | oeop, how can I know the installation tilme of a package? |
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| 15:33.06 | oeop | riex: whereever you output it? |
| 15:33.17 | riex | oeop: where? |
| 15:33.17 | oeop | gribouille: are you retarded? |
| 15:33.22 | Owner_ | POOP |
| 15:33.22 | talexb | riex Maybe in your current working directory? |
| 15:33.34 | cthuluh | riex: aptitude install tcpdump ; which tcpdump |
| 15:33.39 | dury | cthuluh: what you mean... could you said it other words I can understand it better, please... if you don't mind |
| 15:34.24 | gribouille | oeop, did you tell me how debisn keeps the information? |
| 15:34.34 | Owner_ | oeop| POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPO |
| 15:34.39 | oeop | gribouille: i have already told you |
| 15:34.49 | cthuluh | dury: I mean that since you are (as you said) behind a nat box you have to set it up so that it forwards request on port 8080 to the relevant mahcine on your internal network |
| 15:34.56 | oeop | gribouille: if you look in the log /var/log/dpkg.log you will see the timestamps. |
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| 15:35.00 | gribouille | <oeop> gribouille: logging? is it your answer? |
| 15:35.18 | cthuluh | I find it is a very good answer |
| 15:35.46 | gribouille | oeop, but that's not complete |
| 15:35.53 | tonytraductor | I'm trying to restrict access to a dir in /var/www, with htaccss. I followed instructions from 3 dif tutorials. created htaccess, htpasswd, restart apache. dir still publicly accessible. info here: http://tazman.parlementum.net/doku.php?id=software:htaccess |
| 15:36.05 | oeop | gribouille: it is complete enough for me |
| 15:36.33 | tonytraductor | server is running squeeze |
| 15:36.41 | oeop | Owner_: are you on drugs again? |
| 15:36.50 | tonytraductor | nope, no drugs...honest |
| 15:36.52 | cthuluh | tonytraductor: ask #httpd / read the documentation better |
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| 15:37.21 | tonytraductor | but I read documentation, and my htaccess looks correct according to 3 or 4 dif tutorials |
| 15:37.28 | gribouille | is there a way to modify the way debian saves the logs about pakage installation? |
| 15:37.35 | tonytraductor | but I'll try #httpd, I just figured, being a debian server, I could try here |
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| 15:38.03 | oeop | nobody who knows how to do vgchange -a y automatically ? |
| 15:38.06 | cthuluh | you just discovered the install logs, and you want to change them? |
| 15:38.10 | dury | I think I've find the problem |
| 15:38.17 | jhutchins_wk | tonytraductor: The idea is to get you to somewhere where people are more familiar with the subject. Debian does a lot of things besides webservers. |
| 15:38.25 | dury | find = found |
| 15:38.32 | cthuluh | oeop: do you really need to? I thought the initrd cared of that (after an update-initramfs -u, perhaps) |
| 15:38.34 | dury | one sec. |
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| 15:39.04 | tonytraductor | I know. I use debian for everything. Even brushing my teeth |
| 15:39.13 | cthuluh | nice |
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| 15:40.58 | dury | cthuluh: and now... check it up again please |
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| 15:43.37 | cthuluh | dury: it works! :) |
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| 15:43.55 | dury | have to go byeee happy Xmas |
| 15:44.26 | dury | cthuluh: thanks indeed :) |
| 15:44.49 | dury | and new year too |
| 15:45.23 | hivemind | root@debian:/home/hivemind# lp -d tx219 documents/lizuhapaste |
| 15:45.24 | hivemind | lp: Unsupported format 'text/plain'! |
| 15:45.27 | hivemind | How?! |
| 15:45.39 | dury | thanks channel really appreciate your support :) |
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| 15:45.59 | Schein | hi! how to query installed squeeze packages on a mixed lenny/squeeze system? |
| 15:46.06 | hivemind | Schein, dpkg -l |
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| 15:46.23 | hivemind | Schein, oh |
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| 15:46.35 | Schein | but i just want the squeeze ones |
| 15:46.36 | hivemind | stop, only squeeze |
| 15:46.48 | Schein | yes :) |
| 15:46.49 | Owner_ | POOOOOOOOOOOOOP |
| 15:47.09 | hivemind | ohh, dunno |
| 15:47.11 | oeop | cthuluh: i thought so too, but apparently it does not |
| 15:47.48 | Schein | hivemind: thx nevertheless |
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| 15:48.24 | abrotman | Owner_: do you need help with Debian ? |
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| 15:53.59 | innociv | if someone has sftp access, what stops them from uploading and executing a perl or python script? |
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| 15:54.48 | karlpinc | innociv: Nothing, because if they've sftp access they've also ssh access. |
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| 15:55.05 | karlpinc | innociv: Although you could give them some sort of restricted shell. |
| 15:55.11 | ziyourenxiang | give them scponly shell |
| 15:55.54 | tonytraductor | how do I check my virtual host configuration? #httpd says httpd -S, that doesn't work. apache2 -S gives me: apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER} |
| 15:56.00 | tonytraductor | this on squeeze/amd64 |
| 15:56.13 | cthuluh | there are packages for that (scponly being one of them) but the standard openssh distribution can you sftp-only (possibly chrooted) access |
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| 15:56.33 | karlpinc | There's apachectl, or you could use the /etc/init.d/apache2 script IIRC. |
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| 15:56.40 | cthuluh | can give* you |
| 15:56.44 | tonytraductor | oh, ok |
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| 15:57.34 | jhutchins_wk | The init script doesn't take daemon arguments. |
| 15:57.47 | Schein | bump :) how to query installed squeeze packages on a mixed lenny/squeeze system? |
| 15:57.51 | noidea21121 | short question: While installing Debian via netinstall what is the difference between the "linux-image-686-pae" and the "linux-image-3.1.0-1-686-pae" kernel? Which of those two should i choose? |
| 15:58.06 | jhutchins_wk | Schein: Why did you mix distributions? |
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| 15:58.53 | jhutchins_wk | Schein: aptitude can do that but you'll have to study the man page to learn how. |
| 15:58.54 | Schein | i've got a server which i want to be stable, but i wanted to try some features from squezze |
| 15:59.11 | innociv | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590 so this isn't sufficient? |
| 15:59.15 | cthuluh | perhaps should you use backports, then |
| 15:59.21 | jhutchins_wk | Schein: squeeze is stable |
| 15:59.21 | testswap | If I set a user shell to /usr/sbin/nologin, can they still scp/sftp? |
| 15:59.30 | jhutchins_wk | Schein: Released in February. |
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| 15:59.49 | Schein | jhutchins_wk: yeah, i didn't upgrade for a long time |
| 15:59.49 | cthuluh | testswap: try it |
| 15:59.51 | jhutchins_wk | testswap: Try it and see. |
| 16:00.14 | brah | dimaursu16: apt-get -f install does nothing, there are no actions to perform. I have the issue when I try to upgrade. |
| 16:00.28 | cthuluh | testswap: anyway, setting their login shell to nologin doesn't prevent them from creating tcp tunnels |
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| 16:01.20 | innociv | "This is also simpler than packages such as rssh, scponly" |
| 16:01.22 | innociv | seemsl iek it should be |
| 16:01.35 | testswap | cthuluh: I've disabled TCPForwarding in SSH |
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| 16:01.56 | testswap | thanks |
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| 16:02.57 | Schein | jhutchins_wk: i'll check out aptitude, thx |
| 16:03.38 | noidea21121 | short question: While installing Debian via netinstall what is the difference between the "linux-image-686-pae" and the "linux-image-3.1.0-1-686-pae" kernel? Which of those two should i choose? |
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| 16:04.40 | poppo | !lista |
| 16:04.50 | gribouille | does the system keep a copy of all the installed packages? |
| 16:05.02 | poppo | ciao |
| 16:05.10 | jhutchins_wk | noidea21121: Niether, you should install stable squeeze. |
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| 16:07.03 | jhutchins_wk | noidea21121: The version you are installing is not a working release, it is the testing playground for the next release. |
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| 16:08.02 | gribouille | if I upgrade a package to a newer version, is it possible to revert to the old version? |
| 16:08.26 | jhutchins_wk | !downgrade |
| 16:08.26 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 16:08.55 | jhutchins_wk | gribouille: Pretty much uninstall the package then reinstall the older version. |
| 16:08.57 | brah | I am missing the .list file in /var/lib/dpkg/info of three packages due to an HD failure, and now my whole dpkg is broken. What can I do? |
| 16:09.08 | brah | I can't do anything without it complaining about those 3 files. |
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| 16:10.08 | gribouille | jhutchins_wk, but do the repositories keep old versions of packages? |
| 16:10.37 | karlpinc | brah: You could download the 3 deb files manually, use ar to take them apart and get the files you need. But I don't know that that's really the right way to do it, just something that might work. |
| 16:11.01 | karlpinc | !tell gribouille about archive.debian.org |
| 16:11.02 | abrotman | !tell gribouille about sdn |
| 16:11.10 | abrotman | karlpinc: snapshot, not archive |
| 16:11.11 | jhutchins_wk | !snapshot |
| 16:11.11 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 16:11.19 | karlpinc | abrotman: Yes, I see. Thanks. |
| 16:11.30 | JoshuaP | How do I unpack a tar.gz file using $tar ? |
| 16:11.36 | sKeiths | when i do 'atp-get remove brasero' apt-get wants to remove gnome-desktop-enviroment. if i let it go ahead, will my desktop enviroment be broken? |
| 16:11.48 | brah | JoshuaP: Using tar you mean? tar xfov filename |
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| 16:12.22 | brah | sKeiths: Yes. Usually fixed by marking gnome-desktop-environment as 'manually installed' |
| 16:12.27 | brah | apt-get install gnome-desktop-envifornment |
| 16:12.29 | JoshuaP | thanks |
| 16:12.33 | karlpinc | JoshuaP: the best way would be to read the reference guide at debian.org. The info pages also have a good tuitorial. (I can't recall whether the tar info pages are in non-free or not.) |
| 16:12.38 | brah | It won't do anyhting, but tell you it's now marked as manually installed. |
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| 16:13.20 | Schein | jhutchins_wk: theoretically, it is: aptitude search '?archive(testing) ?installed' |
| 16:13.21 | innociv | So, using "OpenSSH SFTP chroot() with ChrootDirectory" I don't need to worry about perl or python scripts being uploaded and executed? Probably same with cron and other stuff. |
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| 16:13.40 | JoshuaP | karlpinc, man pages? They're free. |
| 16:13.55 | brah | JoshuaP: non-free is a kind of repository |
| 16:14.07 | sKeiths | still same. http://paste.debian.net/150393/ |
| 16:14.23 | Schein | jhutchins_wk: now i just have to find out, if testing means squeeze or wheezy in this case |
| 16:14.24 | karlpinc | JoshuaP: The info pages from the gnu project. Some are in non-free because of the gnu project's documentation license. |
| 16:14.42 | jhutchins_wk | Schein: testing is wheezy |
| 16:14.53 | jhutchins_wk | Schein: What do you have in your sources.list? |
| 16:15.32 | karlpinc | JoshuaP: You might want to check out the <overview> and <introduction> factoids, since you seem to be new. (Type "/msg dpkg introduction" in your irc client.) |
| 16:15.34 | Schein | jhutchins_wk: yes, but in this case it could be squeezy to, because stable and olstable both give me the same list |
| 16:16.22 | brah | sKeiths: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=72792 |
| 16:16.36 | sKeiths | thanks, will read |
| 16:17.07 | Schein | jhutchins_wk: currently i only have lenny and debian-multimedia (lenny) in my sources.list. I commented out the rest. |
| 16:17.45 | jhutchins_wk | Schein: I would recommend that you plan to upgrade the system to pure squeeze soon. |
| 16:17.56 | talexb | So I'm trying to use sbuild to create a package within a chroot, and right now it's failing because /root/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg doesn't exist. |
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| 16:18.32 | talexb | Because this is a VM, I don't have any trusted keys .. if I just run gpgv, will that be enough? |
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| 16:18.53 | talexb | This is on Debian 6.0.3 .. |
| 16:19.27 | Schein | jhutchins_wk: yep, i know. that's my goal, i'm just checking if i built some special cases, i have to consider when upgrading |
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| 16:22.10 | brah | karlpinc: I am manually creating the .list files. The downside is in case I want to uninstall that package, it won't remove its files and simply mark it as removed. I am guessing this can be fixed by doing a reinstall on the package after I get dpkg working. |
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| 16:24.35 | jhutchins_wk | Schein: Mixing releases is strongly discouraged and can result in an unmaintainable and possibly unusable system. |
| 16:25.10 | jhutchins_wk | brah: aptitude -f install doesn't fix the problem? |
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| 16:25.41 | brah | jhutchins_wk: No, since it's not really a missing package |
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| 16:26.13 | brah | Just corrupted package info from an HD failure. |
| 16:26.31 | Schein | jhutchins_wk: i'm aware of that. thats why i'm always very cautious with this. but i think, i didn't even mix anything on my current system, i just want to make sure. |
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| 16:33.35 | sKeiths | brah, synaptic package manager was able to do the removal for me without breaking my gui |
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| 16:36.57 | Delf | Which SQL should I use with Debian? |
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| 16:37.46 | talexb | Delf Any one you want? |
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| 16:38.04 | Delf | Which one is the one that comes with Debian? |
| 16:38.21 | talexb | No idea. |
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| 16:38.35 | talexb | But sqlite is a very nice one. |
| 16:38.38 | jhutchins_wk | Delf: Whichever one you install. |
| 16:38.48 | talexb | Small, lightweight. |
| 16:38.53 | jhutchins_wk | Delf: What do you want to do with it? |
| 16:39.05 | Delf | jhutchins_wk: I need to learn it. |
| 16:39.07 | talexb | You could also install MySQL or PostgreSQL .. |
| 16:39.11 | Delf | I don't know what, yet. |
| 16:39.25 | talexb | Delf Then I recommend sqlite. it's easy as pie. |
| 16:39.26 | Delf | Are they freeware or opensource? |
| 16:39.33 | talexb | Yes. |
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| 16:40.02 | Delf | sqlite it is then! Any good pdf's for sqlite to study? |
| 16:40.06 | jhutchins_wk | bdb is usually installed by default |
| 16:40.07 | talexb | Use the installer and do a search on sql. |
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| 16:40.16 | talexb | Delf Google is your friend. |
| 16:40.23 | Delf | lol @ friend |
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| 16:40.32 | PerfDave | SQLite isn't really a RDBMS. It's a small file library which presents an SQL-type interface, but it's not a great way of learning database theory. |
| 16:40.35 | talexb | I think sqlite.org is the web site, but Google would know for sure. |
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| 16:41.01 | talexb | PerfDave, True, but if you're starting from nothing, sqlite is a good start. |
| 16:41.08 | PerfDave | Personally, I find that PostgreSQL has better documentation for how what it does relates to the SQL standards - it's not quite as easy to set up as MySQL, but arguably more powerful, and its query debugger is much better. |
| 16:41.19 | talexb | PerfDave, Agreed. |
| 16:41.46 | PerfDave | talexb: I think SQLite is good if you want to knock an app together and not worry too much about the database layer, because you know what you're doing. I'm not so sure it's a good choice if you want to learn SQL. |
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| 16:42.38 | PerfDave | Though I'd recommend a good database theory that takes you through the concepts of data normalisation and stuff like Backhaus-Naur before you try getting your hands dirty with a database server ;0 |
| 16:43.15 | talexb | Delf What PerfDave and I are talking about has to do with how much you need to learn. You can do INSERTs, UPDATEs and SELECTs fine with sqlite, but when you need to do referential integrity, you have to use a real tool like PostgreSQL. |
| 16:43.31 | abrotman | likens sqlite to MS Access |
| 16:43.42 | talexb | Delf, SQL is not something you learn in an afternoon -- there's a fair bit of material to learn. |
| 16:43.47 | PerfDave | abrotman: That's a bit harsh on SQLite ;) |
| 16:43.48 | Owner_ | do you guys need debian help? |
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| 16:44.05 | talexb | abrotman, That's insulting to sqlite. |
| 16:44.08 | PerfDave | Not right now thank you Owner_ :) |
| 16:44.13 | Owner_ | ok |
| 16:44.16 | Delf | talexb: Geez. I'm learning C++ and I want to know SQL too |
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| 16:44.24 | talexb | Owner_, I'm good -- unless you know how to resolve an sbuild question. |
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| 16:44.37 | abrotman | talexb: i struggle to find another well-known DB-ish app that sqlite would compare to |
| 16:44.37 | Delf | To switch between them when it gets boring |
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| 16:44.55 | abrotman | talexb: at least i didn't compare it to dbase :) |
| 16:45.15 | talexb | abrotman, MS Access is an emabrrassment. At least sqlite is fast, reliable and simple. |
| 16:45.39 | abrotman | talexb: i meant in terms of learning sql |
| 16:45.53 | Owner_ | use mysql |
| 16:46.02 | Delf | I don't want MS. |
| 16:46.10 | abrotman | Owner_: that's a poor choice also |
| 16:46.21 | Owner_ | abrotman| for learning sql? |
| 16:46.22 | talexb | Delf, That's why most of us are here. We don't want to use MS either. |
| 16:46.28 | abrotman | Owner_: yes |
| 16:46.33 | abrotman | and learning about RDMBS in general |
| 16:46.36 | Owner_ | what about sybase or oracle |
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| 16:46.50 | abrotman | gets off the crazy wagon |
| 16:46.58 | Delf | lol |
| 16:47.05 | Delf | I've created war |
| 16:47.14 | Owner_ | if mysql and sqlite are a poor choice then sybase and oracle must be a good choice |
| 16:47.21 | brah | Wait a second. |
| 16:47.29 | abrotman | is not going to play with the troll |
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| 16:47.40 | brah | The original question is 'What SQL should I use in Debian?' - If by SQL you mean DBMS, then any of them. |
| 16:47.50 | brah | 'What DBMS should I use?' is a different question altogether. |
| 16:48.07 | Owner_ | if you have to ask, just use mysql |
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| 16:48.20 | Owner_ | and you will know you need something different...when you know |
| 16:48.25 | abrotman | you asked the wrong question |
| 16:48.30 | Delf | You guys are confusing me |
| 16:49.03 | Owner_ | Delf| no one here knows what they are talking about, so...ask in #sql |
| 16:49.13 | abrotman | Delf: use PostgreSQL .. has great docs, a great community .. does things correctly .. |
| 16:49.29 | Owner_ | Delf| don't listen to the troll |
| 16:49.39 | pksadiq | Owner_: saying about self too ? :) |
| 16:49.54 | brah | Delf: Use the one that suits your needs. Chances are, it's supported by Debian. |
| 16:50.06 | talexb | Delf, I also suggest PostgreSQL. |
| 16:50.08 | Delf | But I want an easy one to learn and not MS |
| 16:50.08 | Owner_ | pksadiq| yea |
| 16:50.50 | Delf | I don't mind getting into more advanced SQL later on |
| 16:50.55 | Owner_ | oracle or sybase > postegres for learning |
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| 16:51.50 | abrotman | Delf: PostgreSQL is what I learned on ages ago .. it is easy |
| 16:51.57 | jhutchins_wk | Owner_: How is oracle a practical suggestion? |
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| 16:52.07 | abrotman | or sybase? |
| 16:52.11 | abrotman | :) |
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| 16:52.23 | brah | He is trying to steer clear from propietary solutions and you offer Oracle |
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| 16:52.26 | brah | :) |
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| 16:53.06 | jhutchins_wk | Delf: Basically the choice is going to be between pgsql and mysql. Mysql is far more common, better understood, and used in more pre-packaged systems. LAMP stands for Linux, Apache, MySQL, and PHP, a very common description of popular web content management systems. |
| 16:53.06 | Owner_ | jhutchins_wk| its not a toy db? |
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| 16:54.03 | jhutchins_wk | Delf: Because of it's popularity, people love to criticize it and clame postgresql is far superior morally and functionally, but in practice you're going to encounter MySQL more often. |
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| 16:55.05 | Delf | wtf.. so it's MySQL? |
| 16:55.25 | Owner_ | Delf| yes |
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| 16:55.33 | brah | Delf: Yes. When the time comes that MySQL is no longer good enough for you, you will know what to move to. |
| 16:55.48 | alexxio_ | hi, my remote monitor has gone off for standy mode, and it is not running X, is there a way to wake it up with a remote command line input? |
| 16:56.07 | Delf | brah, What will I be moving on to? PostgreSQL? |
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| 16:56.17 | cthuluh | sigh |
| 16:56.19 | alexxio_ | i tried xset dpms force on but it doesnt work |
| 16:56.33 | brah | Delf: DBMSs are not 'better', they are different. |
| 16:56.44 | brah | You might end up using CouchDB for all you know. |
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| 16:56.49 | Delf | wtf |
| 16:57.02 | nkuttler | Delf: if you want to learn sql.. use more than one db |
| 16:57.03 | Delf | DBMS? |
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| 16:57.50 | Owner_ | alexxio_| setterm -blank poke ? |
| 16:58.11 | Delf | Alrighty then. Thanks for all intel folks! |
| 16:58.46 | brah | Delf: Saying 'Which SQL' doesn't make much sense - they are actually database management systems. |
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| 16:59.12 | Owner_ | alexxio_| xset dpms force on |
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| 16:59.27 | Delf | Which DBMS then? |
| 16:59.28 | alexxio_ | owner_ : setterm -blank returns but didn't works |
| 16:59.42 | nkuttler | Delf: what i just said. learn more than one if you want to learn "sql" |
| 16:59.45 | alexxio_ | owner_ : xset: unable to open display "" |
| 16:59.46 | Owner_ | setterm -blank poke |
| 16:59.59 | Delf | nkuttler: Yes, but I don't know where to start |
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| 17:00.17 | nkuttler | Delf: what do you want to with it? |
| 17:00.20 | Owner_ | alexxio_| did it work? |
| 17:00.21 | cthuluh | Delf: postgresql ; now please stop bugging us |
| 17:00.24 | Mac101 | hi installing debian 6 is it ok to make /boot ext4? |
| 17:00.31 | alexxio_ | neither with poke :( |
| 17:00.34 | Delf | cthuluh: Ok ok, lol :) |
| 17:00.37 | cthuluh | Mac101: yes, using grub 2 |
| 17:00.46 | Owner_ | alexxio_| setterm s off |
| 17:00.53 | Mac101 | ok thx |
| 17:00.55 | Delf | nkuttler: I don't know yet, just curious. |
| 17:01.01 | alexxio_ | setterm s off shows a list of commands |
| 17:01.10 | Owner_ | oh oops |
| 17:01.13 | cthuluh | Mac101: though if you use a mac, all my bets are off :) |
| 17:01.39 | Mac101 | is grub2 used by default? |
| 17:01.50 | Mac101 | & nope no macs here :) |
| 17:01.52 | cthuluh | yes |
| 17:01.56 | Mac101 | ok thx |
| 17:02.09 | Owner_ | alexxio_| setterm -powersave off ? |
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| 17:02.26 | alexxio_ | owner: cannot unset powersave mode (i'm root) |
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| 17:02.53 | Owner_ | alexxio_| i dunno... |
| 17:03.06 | alexxio_ | owner: if i could start an X session, and then close it, i could do with dpms |
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| 17:04.43 | abrotman | alexxio_: -reset does nothing because it's not the controlling terminal ? |
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| 17:05.13 | alexxio_ | setterm -reset? |
| 17:05.29 | alexxio_ | it clears the console screen |
| 17:05.38 | alexxio_ | it actually does it |
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| 17:05.52 | Owner_ | it worked? |
| 17:06.18 | alexxio_ | mmmh nope :( |
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| 17:06.43 | Owner_ | alexxio_| fun! |
| 17:06.55 | alexxio_ | :P |
| 17:07.25 | alexxio_ | i mean, it cleared the console screen but didn't wake up the monitor |
| 17:07.50 | Owner_ | ummm |
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| 17:10.39 | Owner_ | alexxio_| you gotta disable all that stuff and reboot i guess |
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| 17:10.50 | Owner_ | so it never sleeps again |
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| 17:12.18 | Na_Klar | Where are reboots logged? syslog? |
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| 17:12.41 | Owner_ | and lastlog |
| 17:13.02 | Owner_ | err last |
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| 17:13.54 | Na_Klar | i got lastlog here, no last |
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| 17:14.39 | Na_Klar | hu? how can I read lastlog, it is some binary stuff |
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| 17:14.56 | Owner_ | you type lastlog |
| 17:15.18 | linkcislinux | that is funny. Here im wondering why there is very little people in debian irc. Then I find out there all over here LOL |
| 17:15.18 | alexxio_ | how can i see what dm is installed? |
| 17:15.38 | Na_Klar | owner_ ic |
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| 17:15.52 | Owner_ | and grep for DOWN i guess... |
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| 17:16.03 | cthuluh | alexxio_: dpkg -l '*dm*', perhaps |
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| 17:16.19 | jhutchins_wk | alexxio_: What desktop are you using? |
| 17:16.22 | Na_Klar | Owner_, there is no DOWN, there are only logs of user logins |
| 17:16.40 | linkcislinux | jhutchins_wk: hey man, you helped me out remember. I got my wireless working and wipe out everything and running a full install of debian unstable now |
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| 17:17.31 | Owner_ | Na_Klar| err yeah run the 'last' command |
| 17:17.39 | Owner_ | it should log system boots |
| 17:17.58 | alexxio_ | it says i've installed gdm, |
| 17:18.13 | linkcislinux | alexxio_: that means your login manager is gdm |
| 17:18.28 | Na_Klar | owner_ yea thx. |
| 17:18.48 | linkcislinux | alexxio_: like mine is gdm3, and kde is kdm, gnome is gdm well the classic gnome is gdm. Gnome3 is gdm3 |
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| 17:20.52 | valdyn | it may seem that way but gdm3 is alot older than gnome3 |
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| 17:21.35 | alexxio_ | mmmh, how can i see what's the default desktop manager (i mean all the subsystem on X server) that would start at boot? |
| 17:22.07 | valdyn | alexxio_: theres no such thing as a desktop manager, what do you *really* mean? |
| 17:22.44 | alexxio_ | valdyn: i mean, if i was on the input machine locally and if i press 'startx', what it stars? |
| 17:22.47 | jhutchins_wk | alexxio_: There are several things that depends on. |
| 17:22.48 | alexxio_ | *starts |
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| 17:23.01 | jhutchins_wk | alexxio_: Best way to answer it is to try it. |
| 17:23.11 | alexxio_ | :D i'm on remote console |
| 17:23.12 | thewanderer1 | guys, how do I disable DMA on Squeeze? I've tried booting with "sda=nodma sdb=nodma nodma" but the kernel still tries to use DMA on my disks! |
| 17:23.18 | valdyn | alexxio_: update-alternatives --list x-session-manager |
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| 17:23.33 | thewanderer1 | (of course it fails, but it takes 5 minutes to realize that and fallback to non-DMA) |
| 17:23.33 | valdyn | alexxio_: or update-alternatives --list x-window-manager |
| 17:23.54 | cthuluh | thewanderer1: why would you want that? |
| 17:23.56 | valdyn | alexxio_: i cant say why it seems to fall back on using the x-session-manager first |
| 17:24.02 | alexxio_ | thanks valdyn, i got lxsession and xfce4sesson |
| 17:24.03 | jhutchins_wk | thewanderer1: Why is that a problem. |
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| 17:24.45 | alexxio_ | valdyn: i can i remote start xfce4session? do you know? |
| 17:25.10 | valdyn | alexxio_: what is a "remote start" supposed to be? |
| 17:25.21 | thewanderer1 | cthuluh, jhutchins_wk it's a problem because I don't want booting to take 5 minutes when it brute-forces the DMA mode to use :/ |
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| 17:26.12 | valdyn | thewanderer1: this is pata disks? |
| 17:26.17 | alexxio_ | :P valdyn: i mean, how can i start that on a windows i'm connected to via ssh (i want the remote pc starts it's own monitor up) |
| 17:26.22 | thewanderer1 | valdyn, yes |
| 17:26.39 | valdyn | alexxio_: log in via ssh and do or start whatever you want |
| 17:26.49 | alexxio_ | i'm logged |
| 17:26.54 | jhutchins_wk | alexxio_: It would have to be set up to automatically log in. |
| 17:27.12 | Na_Klar | How are these two lines returned by "last" explainable? http://codepad.org/EkKaHiAd .. seems to me like system was down from 3-16 o'clock but root logged in at 15 o'clock .. does not make sence |
| 17:27.30 | jhutchins_wk | alexxio_: You can also launch it and tell it to use a specific display. WHat does this accomplish for you? |
| 17:27.38 | cthuluh | thewanderer1: perhaps try libata.dma=something ; are you using some king of CF card? |
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| 17:28.07 | thewanderer1 | cthuluh, yes, it's 2 CF cards, both of which don't support DMA and cause long booting |
| 17:28.21 | alexxio_ | jhutchins_wk: what's the command that starts it on the simplet display? (:0.0 ?) |
| 17:28.27 | alexxio_ | *simplest |
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| 17:29.21 | cthuluh | thewanderer1: =3, then |
| 17:29.33 | cthuluh | (cf. http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt) |
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| 17:31.19 | thewanderer1 | cthuluh, huh, thanks for the libata suggestion... kernel interfaces change so often and I was still assuming ide.* group would work |
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| 17:31.31 | thewanderer1 | I'll try booting with that |
| 17:32.00 | jhutchins_wk | alexxio_: What are you really trying to do? |
| 17:32.35 | alexxio_ | i solved just typing startx in the ssh console |
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| 17:32.50 | alexxio_ | :P |
| 17:32.53 | alexxio_ | thanks |
| 17:32.55 | valdyn | Na_Klar: it should show: <bootup time> - <current time> (n days + x:y hours:minutes) |
| 17:33.41 | valdyn | Na_Klar: or <shutdown time> instead of <current time> for older entries |
| 17:34.34 | valdyn | Na_Klar: that was for the reboot line, the root line is obvious enough, no? |
| 17:34.53 | Na_Klar | valdyn, root is obivous |
| 17:35.11 | Na_Klar | valdyn, so the reboot is timed "reverse"? first bootup then shutdown, right? |
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| 17:35.24 | thewanderer1 | WOOT! booted in under 1 minute! thanks a lot! |
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| 17:35.55 | valdyn | Na_Klar: i dont understand what is "reverse" about it. It just shows uptime |
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| 17:36.39 | Na_Klar | valdyn, confusing. valdyn, right got it |
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| 17:36.46 | Na_Klar | ^^ got it |
| 17:36.54 | valdyn | Na_Klar: that entry must be added by some new stuff like uh, systemd? |
| 17:37.06 | valdyn | Na_Klar: anyway i cant see such an entry on my squeeze system |
| 17:39.27 | Na_Klar | summa summarum my debian web-server restarted unexpected two days ago. Is there something with debian I do not know of which would effect that? Or is the the "fault" of the computing centre where my machine is housed? |
| 17:40.00 | Na_Klar | (or maybe a hardware issu ...) |
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| 17:42.45 | jhutchins_wk | Na_Klar: You should be able to ask the hosting company why it rebooted. |
| 17:43.49 | Na_Klar | jhutchins_wk, well "housing" not "hosting" .. means it is my machine ... Well, they said they did not do anything and the power has been stable .. |
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| 17:44.01 | thewanderer1 | Na_Klar, I've had hosts run for a full year with Debian... read the logs, usually there will be entries on shutdown if it was initiated by something in software |
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| 17:44.39 | Na_Klar | thewanderer1, any chance to get some information about "fatal" reboots caused by hardware issues? |
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| 17:44.54 | thewanderer1 | Na_Klar, highly unlikely, unless your machine has an IPMI with event log |
| 17:45.10 | Na_Klar | do not think so ... |
| 17:45.11 | nkuttler | Na_Klar: the system logs first.. if anything could be written to them |
| 17:46.16 | Na_Klar | I cannot find any errors in my logs ... nowhere ... also the machine sometimes is unavailable to all ports for about 5 min ... I made a script timestamping every 30 seconds. The only thing I could find out is that the script simple is terminated when such a blackout appears .. |
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| 17:47.04 | Na_Klar | but there are no reboots on blackouts ... |
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| 17:47.33 | nkuttler | Na_Klar: do you create files for timestamping? different ones? |
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| 17:48.39 | nkuttler | Na_Klar: it would be odd if all services AND the disk stopped to work at the same time |
| 17:49.50 | nkuttler | though i guess that a bad disk alone could lead to that. the kernel probably tries to get an mtime before pulling files from the ram cache.. |
| 17:49.59 | Na_Klar | nkuttler: it is always the same file (long timestamp list) |
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| 17:50.23 | ChorlaMan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:50.44 | nkuttler | Na_Klar: you could try a second script that put the timestamps on a ramfs i guess |
| 17:50.52 | thewanderer1 | ChorlaMan, not a Debian issue |
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| 17:50.58 | nkuttler | Na_Klar: to confirm it's a hd problem |
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| 17:51.43 | Na_Klar | nkuttler, hm .. wh |
| 17:51.56 | Na_Klar | sorry |
| 17:52.22 | jhutchins_wk | Na_Klar: So it looks like the system is suspending or freezing for that period? |
| 17:53.33 | linkcislinux | Does anyone know a good system monitor for gnome-shell in debian? I tried one before and it locked up my entire system. |
| 17:53.34 | Na_Klar | jhutchins_wk, it is not reachable on any port (ssh, http, smtp, pop) and my timestamp service seems to stop. But I cannot find any other error in e.g. the webserver log (no restart of this service) .. it is kinda strange .. |
| 17:53.49 | Na_Klar | nkuttler, so the file would be written to the ram instead of disk .. interessting |
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| 17:55.06 | nkuttler | Na_Klar: assuming the cpu + memory are ok. but if i understood correctly the box usually comes back after those blackouts? |
| 17:55.14 | jnewt | can someone in here help me navigate my cmos / bios to see why it is / isn't recognizing hdds? fdisk shows 3 (250gb, 320gb, 1tb), but i actually have 4 (an extra 2tb on top of those). my bios hard disk priority lists 2 (the smaller of them), and a 3rd slot for scsi-0 with no model number. some of the hdd's are on pci to sata cards, don't know if that makes a difference |
| 17:55.29 | jhutchins_wk | Na_Klar: I think it's definitely time to ask the hosting company about it. |
| 17:55.36 | Na_Klar | jhutchins_wk, nkuttler, Before I found that unexpected reboot two days ago, I was sure that the problem is the network of the housing center .. but now I am not sure if it is my machine .. the center says there are no problems with their network .. just btw |
| 17:55.59 | Na_Klar | nkuttler: yea the machine is black for ~ 5mins then everything is completely normal |
| 17:56.46 | Na_Klar | jhutchins_wk, I have to ask them again, indeed. There is something weird going on :P |
| 17:57.24 | jhutchins_wk | Na_Klar: You need to set up something to monitor when the system is unavailable. Nagios would do it but might be overkill. smokeping might work. |
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| 17:57.45 | jhutchins_wk | Na_Klar: You need a log of when it was unreachable so they can look at their operations logs and see what was happening then. |
| 17:58.32 | thewanderer1 | Na_Klar, the timestamp service "stops", but it resumes after the failure or the process is just killed? |
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| 17:58.37 | jhutchins_wk | Na_Klar: I would install smartmontools on the system to check the health of the HD. It could be going into a read freeze. |
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| 17:59.04 | jhutchins_wk | I thought debian ran a heartbeat log entry anyway. |
| 17:59.41 | Na_Klar | thewanderer1: no, it stops and remains killed. But I honestly have not enough data to be sure about that, cause I just could see that once, since the blackouts are very unperiodical. sometimes 3 times a day, then not once for 5 days .. |
| 18:00.00 | jhutchins_wk | That's every 20 minutes though, not useful. |
| 18:00.25 | Na_Klar | yea I looked in that also .. no errors |
| 18:00.40 | Na_Klar | also atop logs has nothing suspectious |
| 18:00.42 | thewanderer1 | Na_Klar, implement signal handlers, sigaltstack, and catch SIGSEGV |
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| 18:01.04 | thewanderer1 | (also catch all other signals that you manage to) |
| 18:01.13 | Na_Klar | thewanderer1: you mean in regard to the timestamp script which stops? |
| 18:01.18 | thewanderer1 | Na_Klar, yes |
| 18:01.22 | Na_Klar | ok |
| 18:01.26 | simonlnu | 'suspicious' |
| 18:01.34 | thewanderer1 | not sure if that's possible in Bash, you might want to resort to C for that |
| 18:01.47 | Na_Klar | jhutchins_wk, I'll try to manage a outside log for the blackouts, ty |
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| 18:02.17 | Na_Klar | thewanderer1, I'll try to log the signals to see with which my timestamp script stops .. ty |
| 18:02.45 | Na_Klar | simonlnu, suspicious, yea ^^ ty |
| 18:02.54 | thewanderer1 | Na_Klar, also, consider enabling system audit (man auditctl) and logging all commands and relevant syscalls |
| 18:02.57 | simonlnu | yw |
| 18:03.15 | thewanderer1 | (you might want to audit kill() ) |
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| 18:03.27 | Na_Klar | thewanderer1: I'll have a look. |
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| 18:03.49 | Na_Klar | ty for the input for now .. have to work on that before it becomes too much :P .. i'll bother you again with this issue soon, most likely |
| 18:04.25 | thewanderer1 | hopefully you won't have to! :P |
| 18:04.53 | Na_Klar | ^^ trying to figure that stuff out now for ~ 6 weeks ... so I am not very optimistic ;-) |
| 18:04.53 | simonlnu | we're not into repeat customers |
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| 18:06.38 | Na_Klar | simonlnu: you prefer not seeing anyone who ask here something ever again? |
| 18:06.53 | Na_Klar | a pity ... :( |
| 18:07.11 | simonlnu | Na_Klar: usually means their system is working well :) |
| 18:08.07 | Na_Klar | I see ^^ ... but I learn a much while trying to fix this issue. And I do not blame debian for that, because I think it is either the computing ceter or some hardware thing ^^ .. but I got you point |
| 18:08.09 | simonlnu | if the advice didn't work, they come back soon after |
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| 18:09.46 | Na_Klar | your advices work all for me .. but they might not hit the problem, since the problem is unknown yet. |
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| 18:10.15 | simonlnu | we also aim to give good advice ;) |
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| 18:11.10 | nkuttler | oh well sometimes you just have to replace a server and analyze it in the lab (or basement) |
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| 18:11.19 | dark-sun | hi every one, I want to know what command "nautilus 2.30.1" use to open jar files with "open with sun java runtime" |
| 18:11.20 | simonlnu | *nods* |
| 18:11.30 | Na_Klar | simonlnu, I personally am very satisfied with your service. I'll recommend you ^^ ... |
| 18:11.35 | simonlnu | dark-sun: 'java' |
| 18:12.13 | pksadiq | dark-sun: or in terminal try xdg-open filename.jar |
| 18:12.21 | simonlnu | or anything that'll unzip a zipped file, like unzip or whatever |
| 18:12.41 | simonlnu | but that's only if you want to exmaine the contents ;) |
| 18:12.50 | simonlnu | exam* |
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| 18:13.01 | simonlnu | Na_Klar: thank you, that's nice |
| 18:13.02 | Na_Klar | nkuttler, I was considdering this also ... well .. I changed some condensers half a year ago on the mainboard (near to the power input) .. you'd think that could be somehow related? |
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| 18:13.49 | thewanderer1 | Na_Klar, I've got a crappy board that I get regular kernel panics on due to sub-par hardware... stuff like that happens. have you run a userspace memtest? |
| 18:13.53 | nkuttler | Na_Klar: i don't really do guessing. hence my ramdisk suggestion that might give you some insights |
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| 18:14.12 | Na_Klar | nkuttler, ok |
| 18:14.29 | nkuttler | oh my new workstation locked like three times this year. sometimes i blame the ram, sometimes cosmic radiation.. |
| 18:14.44 | Dev0n_ | hey, I have: export FOO=bar in /root/.bash_profile, but when I relogin and do echo $FOO, the var is not set |
| 18:14.51 | thewanderer1 | nkuttler, running a workstation without ECC? :P |
| 18:14.56 | Dev0n_ | I thought that was the way to make it permanent? |
| 18:15.05 | Na_Klar | thewanderer1: Not yet. How do I execute an userspace memtest? I'll need memtest, right? |
| 18:15.06 | nkuttler | thewanderer1: right |
| 18:15.13 | dark-sun | thank you guys, solved. |
| 18:15.13 | simonlnu | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.19 | Dev0n_ | ssh login |
| 18:15.35 | simonlnu | that's not an answer |
| 18:15.36 | Dev0n_ | login as normal user, then su to root |
| 18:15.45 | Dev0n_ | I didn't know what you meant by the question :( |
| 18:15.47 | simonlnu | how are you su'ing? |
| 18:15.49 | Dev0n_ | but it's the root acount |
| 18:15.50 | Dev0n_ | well |
| 18:15.51 | jhutchins_wk | Dev0n_: Are you running bash or dash? |
| 18:15.51 | Dev0n_ | su root |
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| 18:15.54 | Dev0n_ | bash |
| 18:15.59 | simonlnu | that's not a login shell |
| 18:16.02 | jhutchins_wk | Dev0n_: Are you sure? |
| 18:16.05 | simonlnu | su - root is |
| 18:16.05 | thewanderer1 | Na_Klar, no, memtest86+ runs in real mode, you're in protected mode (or long mode) on your server. you need a binary that allocates a slab on memory, fills it, computes a checksum on the fly, then re-reads the memory and compares checksums. |
| 18:16.11 | Dev0n_ | oh |
| 18:16.33 | Dev0n_ | would python be able to read this var from the enviro ? |
| 18:16.36 | Na_Klar | thewanderer1, ah I see .. I can do that ^^ ty again |
| 18:16.39 | thewanderer1 | Na_Klar, even something like counting 0's and 1' would do |
| 18:16.42 | Dev0n_ | if I set it in bash_profile ? |
| 18:16.45 | thewanderer1 | (rand() to the rescue!) |
| 18:16.48 | simonlnu | only if it exists |
| 18:16.51 | E-bola | Is there no way to filter syslogging on process/daemon name. I can see you can "route" log output based on priority and facility, but if i have a specific process where i want output from that process in its own file thats not possible? |
| 18:16.53 | dark-sun | ;) |
| 18:17.01 | Dev0n_ | and if it's in bash_profile, is that considred as existing ? |
| 18:17.04 | simonlnu | it can set it though |
| 18:17.09 | nkuttler | Dev0n_: python can read env vars.. yes |
| 18:17.13 | thewanderer1 | E-bola, rsyslog supports regexp, see the manual |
| 18:17.18 | simonlnu | if it's in the environment |
| 18:17.24 | Dev0n_ | hum |
| 18:17.42 | simonlnu | it'll be in a dict |
| 18:18.07 | Dev0n_ | simonlnu, python calls an executable |
| 18:18.13 | Dev0n_ | that is the executable that looks for the var |
| 18:18.17 | E-bola | thewanderer1: hmm ok so i woudl ahve to install a non default daemon :( |
| 18:18.26 | Dev0n_ | but having trouble getting the executable to see the enviro var :/ |
| 18:18.37 | nkuttler | Dev0n_: sounds like a #python question |
| 18:18.38 | Dev0n_ | I used os.putenv etc but still doesn't see it |
| 18:18.41 | thewanderer1 | E-bola, rsyslogd is the default |
| 18:18.41 | Dev0n_ | k |
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| 18:18.51 | simonlnu | stick it somewhere where it'll be read no matter what, like .bashrc |
| 18:19.00 | E-bola | thewanderer1: mmm its not installed on my debian server.... |
| 18:19.11 | E-bola | was it changed in squeeze? |
| 18:19.14 | E-bola | imon lenny |
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| 18:19.41 | thewanderer1 | E-bola, yes, I think so... maybe in Lenny but you upgraded from Etch? :P |
| 18:19.43 | simonlnu | (if it's actually opening a shell, that is. because it just got 'wtf') |
| 18:19.58 | staropram | How can I identify the post installation script being called by a given package? |
| 18:20.16 | simonlnu | packagename.postinst |
| 18:20.17 | staropram | In particular, lighttpd as the script is trying to chown some stuff www-data but I don't use this user |
| 18:20.27 | E-bola | thewanderer1: ya its old boxes :) *Should i be fine with just installing it? It says its a drop-in replacement |
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| 18:20.36 | simonlnu | staropram: that's the default user for httpds |
| 18:20.50 | thewanderer1 | E-bola, yes, the default settings emulate those from earlier releases with syslog-ng |
| 18:20.54 | staropram | simonlnu: I want to override this |
| 18:20.57 | simonlnu | they'll drop privs to that user |
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| 18:21.20 | staropram | simonlnu: where would I find this postinst script? |
| 18:21.22 | simonlnu | you'll need to modify the config too, as well as the postinst |
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| 18:21.29 | simonlnu | /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 18:21.30 | E-bola | thewanderer1: Cool, thanks for cloearing it all up for me here goes |
| 18:21.35 | staropram | ok thanks |
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| 18:22.47 | staropram | That's done it |
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| 18:26.49 | thewanderer1 | I still need wpasupplicant if I'm going to use WPA2 from /etc/network/interfaces, right? |
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| 18:27.50 | simonlnu | you tell me ;) |
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| 18:30.29 | Cain | How can i find a file with a word on it on debian ? i'd like to find all files with 'bios' on them |
| 18:30.52 | SVNDR | Cain: Ctrl+W |
| 18:31.03 | simonlnu | in the name or in the contents? on them is ambiguous |
| 18:31.05 | SVNDR | if you using pica/nano or any other editor |
| 18:31.14 | Cain | simonlnu : in the content |
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| 18:31.18 | SVNDR | pico* |
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| 18:31.19 | simonlnu | grep |
| 18:31.22 | PerfDave | Cain: grep -r ? |
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| 18:31.44 | Cain | SVNDR all files not just one file (i don't remember where i puted my file :/) |
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| 18:31.59 | SVNDR | Cain: Oh |
| 18:33.03 | Cain | PerfDave : i think that works for filenames ? |
| 18:33.34 | SVNDR | Cain: grep, egrep or fgrep |
| 18:33.37 | SVNDR | ? |
| 18:34.07 | PerfDave | Cain: No, grep searches the contents off files |
| 18:34.20 | simonlnu | man grep |
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| 18:35.07 | SVNDR | grep - 'text to search for' |
| 18:35.11 | SVNDR | GODDAMN |
| 18:35.15 | SVNDR | grep -r 'text to search for' |
| 18:35.46 | simonlnu | -r is recursive |
| 18:35.48 | Cain | SVNDR : that would search for all files on the server ? |
| 18:36.06 | SVNDR | Cain: isnt that what you want? |
| 18:36.45 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, you also need the second parameter, the path to search in, like this: grep -r 'search term' /path/of/search |
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| 18:37.12 | Cain | SVNDR :sure, i'm searching a file which contain my bios password, i do'nt remember its name neither its location |
| 18:37.24 | simonlnu | otherwise it'll just sit there ;) |
| 18:37.35 | SVNDR | Oh ok i see |
| 18:37.42 | Cain | thewanderer1 : thx i'll try that |
| 18:37.46 | PerfDave | Cain: It's probably in your home directory or a subdirectory, so "grep -ri bios $HOME" would be sensible. |
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| 18:39.04 | Cain | PerfDave : more likely on my windows partitions which are mounted on /media so : grep -r 'bios' /media ? |
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| 18:40.10 | simonlnu | you can probably narrow it down more if you have only one in /media |
| 18:40.45 | FinboySlick | Is there an 'official' source for some default /etc/DIR_COLORS file in Squeeze? |
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| 18:40.52 | blarghl | anyone good with debian sarge? i have a script that mounts some devices, and executing it manually works just fine. so i put it in /etc/init.d/, chmod it, and run update-rc.d mount.sh defaults 99; it creates the symlinks, and i reboot the server. none of the bloody devices are mounted though! any ideas what the hell could be going on? |
| 18:40.55 | hivemind | in which repo i can find alsaequal package? |
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| 18:41.03 | simonlnu | FinboySlick: `dircolors' |
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| 18:41.17 | simonlnu | there's no file per se |
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| 18:41.37 | FinboySlick | simonlnu: I'm looking to enable it by default system-wide. |
| 18:41.40 | PerfDave | blarghl: Why are you running Sarge? It's not had any support (including security patches) for ages. |
| 18:41.52 | simonlnu | FinboySlick: ok |
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| 18:42.31 | blarghl | perfdave: yeah, like my NAS with embedded sarge is going to let me do that ;) |
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| 18:42.49 | abrotman | blarghl: did you use full paths to the binaries ? |
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| 18:43.07 | PerfDave | blarghl: Ah, so you're not running sarge, you're running a sarge derivative? |
| 18:43.08 | blarghl | abrotman: i did not, actually. that should have been obvious... do'h. let me try that! |
| 18:43.08 | thewanderer1 | hmmm, I get a PolicyKit prompt while unmounting (in GNOME) a pendrive I've just mounted graphically. org.freedesktop.udisks.filesystem-unmount-others... |
| 18:43.24 | blarghl | PerfDave: i suppose so! it's a netgear readynas. |
| 18:43.27 | FinboySlick | simonlnu: I could just dircolor > /etc/DIR_COLORS ? |
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| 18:44.01 | simonlnu | yes, but they're usually set anyway. do that if you want to change them system-wide. |
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| 18:44.36 | FinboySlick | simonlnu: Hmmm, there does not seem to be any highlighting on the console or in xterms. |
| 18:44.44 | jnewt | how do i update the bios on my motherboard, i downloaded the file from gigabyte and it's an exe for running in windows. |
| 18:44.49 | simonlnu | try --color=auto |
| 18:45.00 | FinboySlick | simonlnu: Good catch... I feel dumb now. |
| 18:45.38 | PerfDave | blarghl: Yeah, that's not really Debian, and I wouldn't expect it to work in the same way that Debian does - particularly in regards to init scripts etc. |
| 18:45.58 | PerfDave | jnewt: In windows, or in DOS? You might be able to make a FreeDOS boot CD with it |
| 18:46.07 | blarghl | PerfDave: how does it differ? from what i can tell it's pretty debiany. though i never ran sarge at the time... |
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| 18:46.18 | PerfDave | blarghl: No idea, I don't have a NAS |
| 18:46.25 | PerfDave | jnewt: It might also be a self-extracting zip file which "unzip" can do something with. |
| 18:46.42 | simonlnu | that'll respect dircolors' output |
| 18:46.44 | blarghl | PerfDave: right, but what makes you say it's different? |
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| 18:47.28 | PerfDave | blarghl: Because I've never seen an embedded device that used a pure vanilla Debian distribution as its OS. |
| 18:47.30 | blarghl | PerfDave: looks like the kernel is heavily modified and stored encrypted. hm. |
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| 18:48.18 | edbian | I'm trying to set up a bind9 server on my debian system. Inside the lan I can dig www.google.com @internal-ip and get a response. My router has a WAN address (wan-addr) and port 53 is forwarded. But when I dig www.google.com @wan-addr I get 'no dns server found' Any ideas? |
| 18:48.37 | blarghl | abrotman: for what it's with, full dir to binaries did nothing :( |
| 18:48.39 | PerfDave | edbian: Are you forwarding TCP port 53 or UDP? |
| 18:48.47 | blarghl | abrotman: for what it's worth* |
| 18:48.50 | edbian | PerfDave, I think both, which is DNS? udp I think |
| 18:48.54 | PerfDave | edbian: You need to forward UDP, or preferably both. |
| 18:48.54 | thewanderer1 | blarghl, GPL violation perhaps? :P |
| 18:49.00 | edbian | PerfDave, lemme check |
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| 18:49.25 | jnewt | PerfDave: it was self extracting, it extracted another .exe, a .bat, and a .f9, which coencidentally is the bios version i want to flash. now there is a utility which is called q-flash, which is on my mobo, which says i can use it to flash without an os, but the details are not forthcoming as of yet. |
| 18:49.48 | abrotman | blarghl: run it set -x, output to a file ? |
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| 18:51.17 | edbian | PerfDave, mmm, I switch it from 'both' to 'udp' but still no luck |
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| 18:51.33 | PerfDave | edbian: Changing from both to UDP won't make things better. |
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| 18:52.17 | edbian | PerfDave, yeah, I didn't really expect it to help :P |
| 18:52.23 | cthuluh | you usually can't test for such kind of forwarding from within your internal lan |
| 18:52.44 | cthuluh | edbian: are you at 184.167.211.235 ? |
| 18:52.48 | edbian | cthuluh, I can test remotely too (although I'm testing the same public IP) |
| 18:52.57 | cthuluh | ok |
| 18:53.16 | edbian | cthuluh, the IP of the DNS server I'm trying to set up (public IP) is 64.53.222.216 |
| 18:53.51 | PerfDave | edbian: Does tcpdump on your DNS server show any traffic reaching it? |
| 18:54.00 | edbian | PerfDave, good idea, lemme check |
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| 18:54.56 | edbian | PerfDave, will tcpdump show DNS (udp) packets |
| 18:54.59 | edbian | ? |
| 18:54.59 | axx_ | hi, I'm trying to debootstrap wheezy, and it throws an error… any clues? W: Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt/new-root dpkg --force-depends --install /var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_6.5_amd64.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.24_amd64.deb |
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| 18:55.14 | PerfDave | edbian: Yes |
| 18:55.30 | PerfDave | axx_: Any other errors with that? |
| 18:55.40 | abrotman | do those files exist? |
| 18:55.42 | axx_ | PerfDave: nope, it just stops there |
| 18:56.02 | PerfDave | jnewt: The inner .exe might run from FreeDOS |
| 18:56.34 | axx_ | I can start 'debootstrap wheezy /mnt/new-root/' again, and it validates everything until it reaches the same error |
| 18:57.04 | simonlnu | deboostrapping testing.. asking for trouble imo ;p |
| 18:57.07 | floe | hi, why is the apt-howto obsolete? |
| 18:57.15 | PerfDave | floe: Because you haven't updated it |
| 18:57.23 | simonlnu | heh |
| 18:57.31 | axx_ | I should add the disk I'm installing to (*not from*) is having issues, and has already been remounted read only on errors recently |
| 18:57.37 | axx_ | (it's rw right now) |
| 18:57.44 | floe | PerfDave: you didn't tell me |
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| 18:57.55 | PerfDave | floe: Well now you know :) |
| 18:58.24 | axx_ | meh, I mean “the disk I'm installing from, not to“ |
| 18:58.38 | edbian | PerfDave, I am seeing activity when running dig www.yahoo.com @64.53.222.216 from the server itself (but that is the public IP) |
| 18:58.41 | axx_ | I'm debootstrapping to a fresh raid1 |
| 18:59.17 | PerfDave | edbian: Well, that's good isn't it? |
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| 18:59.57 | edbian | PerfDave, well, yes, when I run dig www.yahoo.com @64.53.222.216 I don't get a DNS answer. The connection times out |
| 19:00.09 | linduxed | hey guys, i've once again tried to find a solution to what seems to me is an age old problem that i call "regardless of distro, usb file transfers start speedy but get very slow" |
| 19:00.18 | linduxed | i can't find any real solution |
| 19:00.27 | PerfDave | edbian: I thought you just said you saw activity? |
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| 19:00.47 | edbian | PerfDave, tcpdump shows activity, but the command does get an answer |
| 19:00.51 | simonlnu | thse transfers don't behave like tcp ;p |
| 19:00.55 | simonlnu | those* |
| 19:01.52 | cthuluh | edbian: you *have* to test from outside your lan |
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| 19:02.28 | jnewt | PerfDave: got it to work, updated the bios with the .f9 file and that utility i mentioned. thanks. still doesn't recognize my 2tb hdd though |
| 19:02.34 | PerfDave | edbian: What activity did you see? |
| 19:02.52 | edbian | lemme test from outside the LAN and answer that |
| 19:02.56 | simonlnu | at least the bios is up to date now |
| 19:03.28 | PerfDave | jnewt: What do you mean by "doesn't recognise"? |
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| 19:04.57 | jnewt | PerfDave: the Bios setup doesn't list the hdd in the list of hdd's (boot order menu i think), and debian doesn't show it in fdisk -l |
| 19:05.14 | PerfDave | jnewt: Is it plugged in? :) |
| 19:05.19 | jnewt | come on |
| 19:05.37 | simonlnu | gotta check |
| 19:05.44 | jnewt | yeah |
| 19:05.52 | PerfDave | If your BIOS doesn't list it, I wouldn't expect the OS to see it. I might expect the BIOS to see it but get the size wrong - but Linux ignores BIOS size reports anyway. |
| 19:07.04 | simonlnu | nice feature, that |
| 19:08.14 | jnewt | so what do i do, go buy a new mobo / processor? |
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| 19:08.31 | edbian | mmmm :( no activity when testing remotely (outside the LAN) |
| 19:08.45 | jnewt | try a different brand of hdd? |
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| 19:09.50 | jhutchins_wk | jnewt: Check for jumpers on the drive? Make sure it's spinning up? |
| 19:10.20 | PerfDave | Try a different SATA cable / mobo connector |
| 19:11.22 | edbian | On the server (which is DNS and web right now) I run sudo tcpdump | grep -v ssh then remotely I access the website on that server (64.53.222.216) and I get the page served to me but tcpdump does not list anything. |
| 19:12.30 | jnewt | i have swapped cables / connectors / mobo and pci -> sata, i have jumpered the "limit phy to 3.0gb/s", it is spinning up (i can feel it), i've either got a bad drive, or my mobo is too old for this drive (the drive is brand new wd black) |
| 19:12.54 | edbian | I have to | grep -v ssh because I'm ssh'd into the server right now and it will infinite loop spit packets |
| 19:13.20 | jhutchins_wk | edbian: More than one nic? |
| 19:13.38 | jhutchins_wk | edbian: Right. |
| 19:13.52 | edbian | jhutchins, no it's listening on the correct interface |
| 19:14.02 | jnewt | should i format it on another pc and then try it maybe (my computer runs an new mobo / processor combo) |
| 19:14.03 | edbian | and w3m accesses are in the apache2 log on the server? |
| 19:14.06 | edbian | strnage! |
| 19:15.17 | PerfDave | edbian: Nooo. "tcpdump port 53" |
| 19:15.36 | edbian | PerfDave, ahh, first lemme try port 80 |
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| 19:16.10 | edbian | works correctly with port 80, testing port 53 |
| 19:16.51 | edbian | nothing :( |
| 19:17.00 | edbian | Perhaps my ISP blocks port 53? |
| 19:17.16 | mjt | before it leaves your pc? :) |
| 19:17.48 | PerfDave | edbian: Could be - most ISPs block port 25 (SMTP) inbound, wouldn't be surprised if some blocked 53, or perhaps all UDP traffic. |
| 19:17.48 | edbian | mjt, blocks dns packets that incoming to my router (it's just a home account with the ISP) |
| 19:18.42 | cthuluh | PerfDave: I thought they generally blocked outbound smtp |
| 19:18.52 | Mac101 | hi, anyone what config/script to edit to change the /dev/mapper/mountpoint in grub.cfg (crypt install)? |
| 19:19.04 | PerfDave | cthuluh: Both IME |
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| 19:20.18 | cthuluh | PerfDave: sucks; so far I've only seen outbound blocking |
| 19:20.29 | edbian | youcanseeme.org says port 53 is blocked as well :( |
| 19:20.31 | jhutchins_wk | edbian: Why would you expect traffic on 53? |
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| 19:21.14 | PerfDave | jnewt: Because edbian is running a local DNS server, and trying to port forward port 53 on his router |
| 19:21.46 | edbian | So transfered my domain name from godaddy to dyndns recently. dyndns does not provide a way to point my domain at my public IP (not that I'm aware of anyway) I think this means I have to set up my own DNS server and tell dyndns to look there then tell my DNS server how to resolve my domain name. However now port 53 is blocked |
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| 19:21.52 | jhutchins_wk | Oh, sorry. |
| 19:22.00 | edbian | So, I* transfered... |
| 19:22.18 | PerfDave | s/his/their/ sorry |
| 19:22.22 | qwertz__ | Hi, I'd like to run tcpdump for 60 seconds in a shell script but it doesn't have a parameter for capture time. Is there another way to get a 60 seconds capture file in a shell script? |
| 19:22.25 | edbian | (his) |
| 19:22.27 | thewanderer1 | edbian, how do you mean no way to point at your public IP? O.o |
| 19:22.38 | jhutchins_wk | edbian: That's not how dyndns usually works. |
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| 19:23.07 | PerfDave | qwertz__: You could kill the PID after 60 seconds? |
| 19:23.20 | edbian | I thought part of 'domain registration' meant that I could own the domain name and define what IP address it points to. Apparently that isn't true? |
| 19:23.37 | edbian | thewanderer1, when you dig my domain, what address do you get. that's what I mean by 'point' |
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| 19:23.52 | jnewt | PerfDave: huh? |
| 19:24.15 | PerfDave | jnewt: Sorry, I meant jhutchins_wk |
| 19:24.39 | thewanderer1 | edbian, I have DynDNS pointing at my IP address just fine |
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| 19:25.02 | edbian | thewanderer1, how did you set that address? I can't find it on the dyndns.com website? |
| 19:25.13 | cthuluh | edbian: indeed ; running a name server on a non static ip address sounds like shotting yourself in the foot |
| 19:25.25 | edbian | cthuluh, yes, probably! :P |
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| 19:25.30 | cthuluh | (though I've done that rather successfully in the past) |
| 19:25.33 | thewanderer1 | edbian, I use ddclient, which keeps the entry up-to-date automagically |
| 19:25.50 | cthuluh | loved inadyn + freedns.afraid.org |
| 19:26.03 | edbian | thewanderer1, is that a local CLI client? |
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| 19:26.18 | jhutchins_wk | edbian: You need two services: you need a registration, and you need a public DNS server. |
| 19:26.28 | thewanderer1 | edbian, yes, it's a daemon which updates the A record every time your address changes |
| 19:26.30 | PerfDave | edbian: Depends on your registrar. Registering a domain means that you get to say which DNS servers are authoritative for that domain, that's it. But most registrars will do DNS ho |
| 19:26.44 | jhutchins_wk | edbian: Whoever you register it with needs to know the address of the DNS server. |
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| 19:27.11 | jhutchins_wk | edbian: Most registrars also provide DNS these days, so you can edit the address records at the registrar. |
| 19:27.18 | edbian | jhutchins, yes, right now the domain is associated with ns27.domaincontrol and ns28.domaincontrol but they apparently don't have records for my domain |
| 19:27.21 | edbian | since it isn't resolved |
| 19:27.23 | qwertz__ | PerfDave: thanks will try to get the pid |
| 19:27.59 | jhutchins_wk | edbian: I don't know what dyndns does these days, but usually you run a client that posts your public IP address to dyndns, and they update their DNS server to correspond with your name. |
| 19:28.33 | jhutchins_wk | qwertz__: Maybe something's possible with the -G parameter? |
| 19:28.34 | edbian | jhutchins, I don't think domaincontrol.com is maintained by dyndns (these are the servers that godaddy pointed to as well) |
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| 19:29.10 | jhutchins_wk | edbian: Sounds like the transfer may not have completed. |
| 19:29.21 | PerfDave | ....hosting too |
| 19:29.25 | jhutchins_wk | edbian: Like godaddy hasn't released the domains yet. |
| 19:29.45 | thewanderer1 | edbian, I don't think DynDNS supports your own domain for free... there's a fee like $29.95 or so ? |
| 19:29.57 | thewanderer1 | I mean they'll only host *.dyndns.org for you |
| 19:30.00 | edbian | jhutchins, oh yeah? maybe you're right. However, I do have the ability to change these. I can point to whatever DNS server I want. This was my plan, create my own DNS server, give it an a record. point the domain name at my own server |
| 19:30.32 | edbian | thewanderer1, I already own the domain name, that cost $20 but I am hoping I don't have to buy some DNS service too |
| 19:30.55 | thewanderer1 | edbian, go to dns.he.net, get an account, set your authoritative NS'es to the one they tell you, it's done |
| 19:31.15 | edbian | thewanderer1, they allow me to set authoritative a records for free on their DNS servers? |
| 19:31.34 | thewanderer1 | edbian, yes. the only downside is they forbid wildcard CNAME. |
| 19:31.42 | edbian | thewanderer1, meh |
| 19:32.00 | thewanderer1 | you can create CNAMEs by hand though :P |
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| 19:32.44 | thewanderer1 | edbian, another free service is xname.org, but their IPv6 reverse mapping is crap. otherwise, it works beautifully (AAAA too). |
| 19:32.44 | edbian | I think dyndns wants me to purchase something called 'dyn standard dns' which allows me to set DNS records for my domain name. |
| 19:32.53 | thewanderer1 | edbian, yes. |
| 19:33.03 | edbian | thewanderer1, I'm not on ipv6 right now anyway (thanks a lot ISP) |
| 19:33.26 | edbian | Are there places to register top level domain names for free? |
| 19:33.26 | axx_ | ok, so I'm running into this bug apparently http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=474651 It's been closed but, obviously, it's still happening for me. |
| 19:33.30 | axx_ | what should I do ? |
| 19:33.44 | thewanderer1 | edbian, nope, registering a TLD is not allowed at all, heh |
| 19:33.59 | edbian | thewanderer1, that's what I'm paying for I suppose |
| 19:34.13 | thewanderer1 | axx_, hmm, reopen while providing additional details? |
| 19:34.35 | thewanderer1 | edbian, unless you mean a level-1 domain, which would be edbian.org for example... |
| 19:34.39 | axx_ | thewanderer1: I don't have any additionnal details :( I'm just having the same issue, trying to install wheezy |
| 19:34.47 | thewanderer1 | (org. is a TLD) |
| 19:35.00 | edbian | thewanderer1, ooh, wait, that's what I mean |
| 19:35.08 | edbian | thewanderer1, example.com |
| 19:35.16 | edbian | thewanderer1, can these be registered for free? |
| 19:35.31 | thewanderer1 | edbian, no, everyone wants money for that. |
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| 19:36.16 | edbian | I figured. I'm guessing you have to pay the people that maintain the TLDs in order to register level 1 domains |
| 19:36.17 | thewanderer1 | edbian, it's a good thing, though. imagine what would happen if a script kiddie got the wrong idea and started a Bash loop from a to zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.com for registering all domains... |
| 19:36.29 | edbian | good point |
| 19:36.33 | edbian | darn script kiddies |
| 19:36.38 | edbian | thanks for all the help guys! |
| 19:36.46 | PerfDave | uses mythic beasts for domain registration and DNS hosting and they're lovely |
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| 19:37.12 | axx_ | I'll try to debootstrap stable, see if it makes a difference |
| 19:37.15 | PerfDave | You can register TLDs for about 10 million USD, IIRCD[1;5D[1;5D[1;5D[1;5D |
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| 19:41.35 | urbee | I've got a gentoo livecd booted in a server and only remote console access to the server. Is there a simple way to install debian non free netinstall? |
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| 19:42.25 | valdyn | urbee: i dont see how you can boot a cdrom, so you cant use netinstall |
| 19:42.41 | valdyn | urbee: but its certainly possible to install debian |
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| 19:43.55 | edbian | thanks again for all the help! |
| 19:44.06 | edbian | thewanderer1, and thank you for dns.he.net |
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| 19:57.52 | killfoo | anyone here uses tlp and can give me the gpg pub key 02D65EFF ? keyservers dont work |
| 19:58.09 | jelly-home | tlp? |
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| 19:58.23 | killfoo | jelly-home thinkpad laptop tools for power management |
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| 20:00.11 | jelly-home | killfoo: PPA repos are not a good place to get packages for Debian. But anyway: gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 02D65EFF |
| 20:00.34 | jelly-home | !wfm |
| 20:00.35 | dpkg | hmm... wfm is Works for Me, or some strange corruption of hopwfm, or what fucking manual? |
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| 20:01.01 | killfoo | jelly-home its the official way according to https://github.com/linrunner/TLP/wiki/TLP-Linux-Advanced-Power-Management |
| 20:01.18 | killfoo | jelly-home also cannot connect to this key server.. |
| 20:01.26 | jelly-home | works for me! |
| 20:01.45 | jelly-home | lemme pastebin that public key |
| 20:01.47 | killfoo | jelly-home strange.. could u binpaste the pubkey? would be very kind.. |
| 20:01.49 | killfoo | yay :) |
| 20:01.56 | JyZyXEL | whats an easy way to get 100% cpu load to test max power consumption? |
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| 20:03.14 | somiaj | how many cores? |
| 20:03.17 | JyZyXEL | 4 |
| 20:03.33 | jelly-home | killfoo: http://paste.debian.net/150415/ |
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| 20:03.40 | mjt | just run something like `openssl speed' 4 times in parallel |
| 20:04.04 | jelly-home | I like dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null & times the number of cores |
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| 20:04.38 | mjt | that's basically testing memory speed, it does not load cpu much |
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| 20:05.05 | jelly-home | true, it just gets the loadavg up |
| 20:05.21 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: compling usually uses as much resources as you can, and gcc has a flag to use multiple jobs/cores when compiling |
| 20:05.22 | sKeiths | would /dev/random use more cpu than /dev/zero |
| 20:05.30 | jelly-home | then again, the GPU might be a bigger hog than the CPU |
| 20:05.53 | somiaj | guess you could also be running glx-gears at the same time. |
| 20:06.11 | jelly-home | glxgears doesn't do a thing |
| 20:06.14 | killfoo | jelly-home worked perfectly. thanks a log! |
| 20:06.17 | killfoo | *lot |
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| 20:06.31 | jelly-home | rotates the log |
| 20:07.56 | JyZyXEL | loading all cores was barely a 3 watt change :p |
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| 20:08.37 | mjt | using /dev/random? :) |
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| 20:12.46 | jelly-home | mjt: that... would not work |
| 20:13.14 | mjt | you sure? :) |
| 20:13.23 | jelly-home | absolutely |
| 20:13.49 | mjt | note the smiles - two of them |
| 20:14.09 | jelly-home | I ignore those, they're mostly valueless |
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| 20:25.51 | axx_ | why the hell does Debian want to install exim4-base when I try to aptitude install mdadm? |
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| 20:27.12 | ojtimsen | axx_: mdadm is able to send you and e-mail if a raid problem occour therefore this package could be linked |
| 20:27.24 | axx_ | ojtimsen: ah, yes |
| 20:27.27 | axx_ | I feel stupid now :) |
| 20:27.32 | jordanm | ,recommends mdadm |
| 20:27.34 | judd | Package mdadm in squeeze/i386 -- recommends: default-mta | mail-transport-agent, module-init-tools. |
| 20:27.35 | axx_ | thanks, that makes sense |
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| 20:28.11 | axx_ | doesn't everyone install postfix because they don't like exim anyway? |
| 20:28.19 | jordanm | no |
| 20:28.28 | wooden | does. |
| 20:28.39 | petemc | the people that prefer postfix do |
| 20:28.51 | petemc | many other use and prefer exim |
| 20:29.10 | axx_ | petemc: yes, that seems like sound logic :) |
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| 20:29.24 | jhutchins_wk | Some people prefer sendmail |
| 20:29.36 | petemc | no accounting for taste |
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| 20:29.51 | ckv | does anyone know how I can check to see if video card drivers are installed? I'm using a debian distro (crunchbang) |
| 20:29.55 | ckv | but am a total noob |
| 20:29.59 | jhutchins_wk | I used postfix because postgrey was the easiest way to get greylisting at the time. |
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| 20:30.10 | jhutchins_wk | !crunchbang |
| 20:30.10 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 20:30.26 | ckv | oops. |
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| 20:32.38 | Mogget | !version -t squeeze-backports iceweasel |
| 20:33.08 | ompaul | ,version iceweasel |
| 20:33.10 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-10; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-11; wheezy: 8.0-3+b1; sid: 9.0.1-1; experimental: 10.0~b1-2 |
| 20:33.11 | Woet | ,versions -t squeeze-backports iceweasel |
| 20:33.12 | judd | No package named '-t' was found in squeeze-backports/i386. |
| 20:33.14 | Woet | oh right |
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| 20:34.03 | russoisraeli | hello guys. I needed to transfer my Debian 6.0.3 installation to another box... I basically re-created the partitions on the HD of the new box, rsync'ed the files over, chrooted, and installed/updated grub.... the new box boots up grub, but then when it boots the kernel, it does find my disk/partitions (sdaX), but immediately after reports that it can't mount /dev/sda2 on /root... any ideas? |
| 20:34.30 | Mogget | Is it possible to get iceweasel version that is close to present firefox? |
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| 20:35.44 | jhutchins_wk | !tell Mogget about mdn |
| 20:37.08 | Mogget | jhutchins_wk: thanks |
| 20:37.58 | jhutchins_wk | Mogget: You want the "release" version, should be 8.0.1 |
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| 20:43.48 | Mogget | jhutchins_wk: thank you very much. It was 9.0.1, not 8.0.1 :D |
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| 20:44.25 | jhutchins_wk | I've got 8.0.1 on windows. |
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| 20:54.07 | SVNDR | how do i edit eth0? i cant find the file |
| 20:54.41 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: you mean change like the ip and that? you can do that with ifconfig |
| 20:54.53 | SVNDR | thank u :) |
| 20:55.38 | unreal-dude | and the file is /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:55.42 | unreal-dude | i do believe |
| 20:56.03 | SVNDR | you do beleive corectly |
| 20:56.08 | SVNDR | correctly* |
| 20:56.24 | SVNDR | Im trying to at a 'virtual eth0'.. any idea on how? |
| 20:56.50 | unreal-dude | http://shibuvarkala.blogspot.com/2008/10/howto-setup-second-ip-address-or.html |
| 20:57.02 | SVNDR | cheers bud |
| 20:58.33 | SVNDR | unreal-dude: would i be adding vitual eth0 instead of auto eth0:1 ? |
| 20:58.42 | SVNDR | virtual* god my keyboard sucks lol |
| 20:58.57 | unreal-dude | eth0:1 should be the virtual of eth0 |
| 20:59.22 | unreal-dude | *1st virtual of eth0 |
| 20:59.22 | SVNDR | ok this is for a vhost for BNC.. |
| 20:59.29 | cYmen | libgl1-mesa-dri: Breaks: xserver-xorg-core (< 2:1.10.2-2) but 2:1.7.7-10 is to be installed -- why is 2:1.10 <= 2:1.7 ? |
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| 21:00.42 | SVNDR | unreal-dude: im trying to setup a vhost for a BNC.. would i still be doing it the same way? |
| 21:01.10 | unreal-dude | you still need a virtual interface? |
| 21:01.22 | SVNDR | i guess? |
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| 21:02.41 | unreal-dude | tbh, i use an irssi proxy for connecting to irc, allows me to connect by same nick from more than 1 location :) |
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| 21:05.52 | SVNDR | unreal-dude: can you check if this is correct then please -- http://pastebin.com/h7ezVA0Z |
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| 21:07.20 | unreal-dude | looks fine |
| 21:07.39 | unreal-dude | check to see if that ip is up externally to be sure |
| 21:08.19 | SVNDR | it is |
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| 21:08.52 | SVNDR | unreal-dude: one more thing, is this the correct output i should be getting? -- http://pastebin.com/97X3rvSG |
| 21:09.01 | SVNDR | i dont normally mess with the interface file lol |
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| 21:10.13 | unreal-dude | thats the ifconfig? |
| 21:10.32 | unreal-dude | looks great |
| 21:10.51 | SVNDR | yep.. awesome.. just its not setting the vhost on the BNC.. |
| 21:10.56 | SVNDR | its just using the IP address |
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| 21:11.19 | unreal-dude | i would be of no help with BNC, as i have never used it :\ |
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| 21:11.36 | SVNDR | lol no worries |
| 21:11.50 | unreal-dude | i much prefer my ircssi proxy :) |
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| 21:12.54 | SVNDR | :).. well would u know if there is anyway to make it broadcast the hostname it is resolves as? instead of the IP? |
| 21:13.34 | unreal-dude | exactly what do you mean? |
| 21:14.21 | unreal-dude | broadcast is based upon the ip and the subnet mask, they only apply within that network range |
| 21:14.45 | SVNDR | instead of this: _SVNDR is ~test@216.17.110.69 * test --- i want this _SVNDR is ~test@ghost.svndr.net * test --- 'ghost.svndr.net' being the hostname associated with that IP |
| 21:16.07 | hivemind | guys |
| 21:16.08 | unreal-dude | i believe what you are looking for is reverse dns |
| 21:17.11 | SVNDR | that is correct |
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| 21:17.25 | SVNDR | that IP im pretty sure has reverse DNS active |
| 21:17.43 | hivemind | i'm trying to install my epson stylus tx219 printer on debian, i'm downloaded a ppd files and installed a package, restarted cups and do lpadmin -p ep901a -v usb:/EPSON/EP-901A -P /opt/epson-inkjet-printer-escpr/ppds/Epson/epson-stylus_tx210.ppd.gz -E |
| 21:17.51 | hivemind | but |
| 21:17.55 | hivemind | hivemind@debian:~$ lpr -P tx219 documents/pasta |
| 21:17.56 | hivemind | lpr: Unsupported format 'text/plain'! |
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| 21:19.02 | jelly-home | your printer so dumb, it can't print plain text? |
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| 21:20.17 | jhutchins_wk | SVNDR: You have to set up the DNS & RDNS entries for a domain name/address pair. |
| 21:20.38 | SVNDR | jhutchins_wk: thats already done.. |
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| 21:20.48 | jhutchins_wk | Then it should be fine. |
| 21:20.51 | jelly-home | hivemind: and I guess using lp instead of compatibity lpr command fails as well? |
| 21:21.04 | hivemind | jelly-home, yes |
| 21:21.27 | SVNDR | hmm.. how can i do a test to see if they are working properly? both dns and rdns? |
| 21:21.34 | jhutchins_wk | hivemind: Do you have the printer set up properly in cups? |
| 21:21.52 | jhutchins_wk | SVNDR: From a different machine, dig <hostname> dig <address> |
| 21:22.44 | hivemind | jhutchins_wk, i'm connected to localhost:631/printers/ and see tx219 named printer in it |
| 21:23.15 | jhutchins_wk | hivemind: Does it test print correctly? |
| 21:23.27 | hivemind | but if i try to install printer via localhost:631/admin my printer is see as tx210 |
| 21:23.28 | SVNDR | jhutchins_wk: can i be a pest and ask you to do that for me? lol hostname: ghost.svndr.net address: 216.17.110.69 |
| 21:23.46 | hivemind | jhutchins_wk |
| 21:23.59 | hivemind | no, i'm have an unsupported format error |
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| 21:24.50 | jhutchins_wk | SVNDR: ghost.svndr.net. 14400 IN A 216.17.110.248 |
| 21:25.04 | jhutchins_wk | No A record for 216.17.110.69 |
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| 21:26.03 | SVNDR | ok thanks.. |
| 21:26.05 | jhutchins_wk | nameservers are ns1/ns2.amerinoc.com |
| 21:26.49 | jhutchins_wk | Looks like that's verisign |
| 21:27.17 | hivemind | ohhh |
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| 21:27.36 | hivemind | in linux mint my printer is working on a start |
| 21:27.52 | jhutchins_wk | SVNDR: You'd need to get a1colo to do the RDNS, and probably set the DNS up with Verisign. |
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| 21:29.15 | jhutchins_wk | Offs. |
| 21:29.23 | jhutchins_wk | !mint |
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| 21:29.24 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 21:29.42 | jhutchins_wk | hivemind: I'd love to help you but there's no way to tell if that bug is Mint specific. |
| 21:29.43 | hivemind | oh, sorry |
| 21:29.50 | technologov | I have Q: in Debian if the "Bug is archived. No further changes may be made." - means it can't be reopened ? |
| 21:29.57 | tidux | I'm having problems with libsdl1.2debian on Squeeze armel |
| 21:30.03 | SVNDR | jhutchins_wk: ok cheers mate |
| 21:30.13 | tidux | first I got "file list missing final newline" |
| 21:30.18 | hivemind | jhutchins_wk, noo, in mint all working, i have a debian right now and the problem on it |
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| 21:30.28 | tidux | then I did "echo >> /var/lib/dpkg/info/libsdl1.2debian.list" |
| 21:30.34 | tidux | now it's screaming about empty filenames |
| 21:30.36 | jhutchins_wk | Funny, the bugreports all say mint. What kernel are you running? |
| 21:31.06 | tidux | how do I fix this and uninstall the darn thing? |
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| 21:32.48 | jhutchins_wk | hivemind: WHich release and kernel? |
| 21:33.12 | hivemind | jhutchins_wk, stable, 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 21:33.19 | jhutchins_wk | tidux: What did you install? |
| 21:33.32 | SVNDR | jhutchins_wk: i just used an online website to check rDNS and this is what it come back with: 216.17.110.69 resolves to "ghost.svndr.net" |
| 21:33.38 | SVNDR | doesnt that mean its setup? |
| 21:34.11 | tidux | jhutchins_wk: this isn't a "just installed package X and this broke" complaint |
| 21:34.18 | tidux | I was having hardware problems |
| 21:34.29 | tidux | so I think the file might have been corrupted |
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| 21:34.57 | jhutchins_wk | hivemind: pastebin dpkg -l "cups*" please |
| 21:35.22 | tidux | does someone have an intact copy of that file I could use? |
| 21:35.24 | Owner_ | how can i recursively list a directory in a tree layout...like pstree |
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| 21:35.40 | jhutchins_wk | SVNDR: Well, that's good, but it didn't resolv for me. Maybe it just needs to propagate. |
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| 21:35.59 | hivemind | jhutchins_wk, |
| 21:36.00 | hivemind | http://paste.pro/5138990 |
| 21:36.33 | SVNDR | jhutchins_wk.. well it was only done about 1 hour ago.. and it can take 2 days cant it? |
| 21:36.50 | Owner_ | ahh its the tree command |
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| 21:38.07 | tidux | so... anybody? |
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| 21:38.21 | valdyn | SVNDR: forward is not matching reverse resolution.. is that intended? |
| 21:38.21 | hivemind | tidux? |
| 21:38.48 | SVNDR | valdyn: not sure what you mean? |
| 21:39.00 | tidux | hivemind: how do I fix that binary file-list file? |
| 21:39.05 | tidux | I don't see it in the package itself |
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| 21:39.26 | tidux | this is preventing me from using apt or even dpkg |
| 21:39.26 | jhutchins_wk | hivemind: All of the bugreports suggest that this should be fixed in stable. You can try 1) installing ghostscript-cups, or 2) switching drivers if more than one is available for that printer. |
| 21:39.43 | hivemind | jhutchins_wk, |
| 21:39.43 | valdyn | SVNDR: your .69 ip resolves to ghost.svndr.net, but that name resolves to .248 and that ip resolves to gh.svndr.net, which again is not resolvable to an ip |
| 21:39.55 | hivemind | i'm have to do 1, i have only one printer |
| 21:39.58 | jhutchins_wk | SVNDR: Yes, that's probably what it is. |
| 21:40.41 | SVNDR | valdyn: ok thats not intended lol do i have to remove ghost.svndr.net from the .248 ip? |
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| 21:40.55 | jhutchins_wk | hivemind: Sometimes there is a regular driver, a foomatic driver, a gimp driver... |
| 21:40.58 | valdyn | SVNDR: or if thats confusing: http://pastebin.com/BUERyV0Y |
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| 21:41.55 | hivemind | oh |
| 21:41.59 | hivemind | i have another error |
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| 21:42.23 | hivemind | okay |
| 21:42.28 | SVNDR | valdyn: i understand, so to make .69 ip resolve properly, do i need to get rid of the ghost.svndr.net from the .248 ip? |
| 21:42.33 | hivemind | i can print! |
| 21:42.43 | hivemind | but only for root |
| 21:42.51 | valdyn | SVNDR: is .69 to ghost.svndr.net not properly? |
| 21:43.02 | valdyn | SVNDR: i thought that one was, only the reverse was not |
| 21:43.04 | hivemind | huuuh |
| 21:43.23 | hivemind | printer is printing an blank field |
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| 21:43.33 | SVNDR | .69 for ghost.svndr.net is OK, but not ghost.svndr.net for .248 |
| 21:43.38 | valdyn | SVNDR: anyway forward does not have to match backward, you can do that you want... |
| 21:44.11 | hivemind | trying lp instead... lp is do blank field |
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| 21:44.41 | SVNDR | valdyn: .69 for ghost.svndr.net is OK, but not ghost.svndr.net for .248 |
| 21:45.11 | valdyn | SVNDR: so fix the database entries.. |
| 21:45.18 | hivemind | openoffice is printing a blank too |
| 21:45.53 | SVNDR | valdyn: ok, but will the vhost still work for .69 even if i leave the entry for .248 in there or not? |
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| 21:46.19 | jhutchins_wk | hivemind: Sounds like a) you don't have the right driver and b) permissions are wrong, like you need to log out and log back in after installing cups. |
| 21:46.24 | valdyn | SVNDR: are you talking about an apache vhost? |
| 21:46.44 | SVNDR | valdyn: not sure, just a vhost to use with a psyBNC |
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| 21:48.33 | hivemind | jhutchins_wk, i have the same problem while printing from console logging by root, and i think i have a wrong ppd file |
| 21:48.51 | valdyn | SVNDR: as far as i can understand it will end up showing a reverse lookup of that ip, showing whatever name that lookup results in |
| 21:49.02 | valdyn | SVNDR: that does not make or break pybnc |
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| 21:50.25 | SVNDR | valdyn: ok so, if .69(the ip i want) resolves ghost.svndr.net its ok? |
| 21:50.33 | jhutchins_wk | That's what I get for running konversation on Windows. |
| 21:51.15 | valdyn | SVNDR: so it will show ghost.svndr.net yes, and someone doing a lookup on that will get the .248 currently |
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| 21:51.53 | SVNDR | valdyn: ok no worries, thanks heaps for the help mate |
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| 21:52.07 | edbian | thewanderer1, you here still?? |
| 21:52.31 | x127_ | hi, I have trouble finding xfontselect for squeeze. is it still in debian? |
| 21:52.37 | valdyn | SVNDR: whats the purpose of this exercise? having a neat domain name? anonymity? |
| 21:52.50 | hivemind | uhh, i may be install driver from openprinting.com, but it's down |
| 21:53.17 | thewanderer1 | edbian, yeah |
| 21:53.49 | x127_ | ah, nevermind |
| 21:53.50 | SVNDR | valdyn: no i was to use the domain 'ghost.svndr.net' as a vhost for a psyBNC |
| 21:53.59 | edbian | thewanderer1, I set a couple a record in dns.he.net and pointed my domain at it's dns servers in dyndns. How long should I expect to wait before my domain name is resolved correctly? |
| 21:54.04 | x127_ | it is called xfontsel and installed. |
| 21:54.11 | edbian | thewanderer1, It's bee n set correctly for about 2 hours now |
| 21:54.12 | valdyn | SVNDR: yes, sure, but thats what psyBNC does... |
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| 21:54.44 | thewanderer1 | edbian, good |
| 21:55.02 | edbian | thewanderer1, so how long should I expect to wait before the domain is resolved correctly? |
| 21:55.07 | thewanderer1 | edbian, about a day |
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| 21:55.23 | thewanderer1 | up to 2 days if you're unlucky |
| 21:56.12 | newbie999 | Hi. What is the tar(gz) option for don't write any owner and group to archive ? |
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| 21:56.30 | SVNDR | valdyn: can i PM you? |
| 21:56.37 | Mac101 | hi, hmm i get the following at boot anyone familar with it?: |
| 21:56.38 | Mac101 | [ 0.418360] pci 0000:01:00.0: BAR 6: no parent found for of device [0xfffe0000-0xffffffff] |
| 21:56.38 | Mac101 | [ 0.418412] pci 0000:04:00.0: BAR 6: address space collision on of device [0xfff80000-0xffffffff] |
| 21:56.47 | Mac101 | is it safe to run debian? |
| 21:56.53 | thewanderer1 | Mac101, Atom board? |
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| 21:56.57 | Mac101 | yeah |
| 21:57.07 | thewanderer1 | Mac101, set VGA aperture size to 256MB |
| 21:57.25 | edbian | thewanderer1, ah ok, godaddy used to say it would take 24 hours for a records to take effect but in practice it took about 1 hour |
| 21:57.34 | thewanderer1 | Mac101, it's a DSDT bug, there should be a fixed DSDT on FreeBSD ML |
| 21:57.50 | edbian | thewanderer1, thanks |
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| 21:58.55 | Mac101 | hmm dont really understand what youve just said but assuming some googling will make sense of it thx :) |
| 21:59.09 | thewanderer1 | Mac101, in BIOS, there's a setting for VGA memory |
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| 21:59.32 | thewanderer1 | if you set it to 256MB, the error should disappear (it's also causing 100% cpu usage, right? infinite loop in ACPI handlers) |
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| 22:00.35 | newbie999 | What is the tar (.gz) option for clearing owner and group wnen archiving ? Read man, but can't fint it. |
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| 22:02.16 | Mac101 | thewanderer1, whats FreeBSD ML? |
| 22:02.23 | jhutchins_wk | newbie999: -o? |
| 22:02.38 | Mac101 | google thinks its MLdonkey but i dont think that makes sense :o |
| 22:02.51 | abrotman | Mac101: Mailng List |
| 22:02.53 | abrotman | Mailing |
| 22:03.01 | Mac101 | ahhhh |
| 22:03.21 | thewanderer1 | Mac101, generally what I've suggested is a quick fix for the broken Atom BIOS... it's a crappy board :P |
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| 22:04.17 | Mac101 | did you mean i do both things change that vga size thing & look for the dsdt? |
| 22:04.43 | Mac101 | or one or the other? |
| 22:05.00 | Mac101 | sorry bit confised :s |
| 22:05.05 | Mac101 | confused* |
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| 22:05.26 | thewanderer1 | Mac101, one or the other. VGA aperture size is just a workaround, because it takes memory from your RAM and you will be short by 256MB |
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| 22:06.00 | riadh_ | hi, |
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| 22:06.13 | Mac101 | hmm this is a headless box or doesnt that matter? |
| 22:06.14 | riadh_ | when I build a raid 1+0 array is with mdadm is it possible to who witch pairs goes together ? |
| 22:06.34 | thewanderer1 | Mac101, doesn't matter. in fact, I applied that "fix" on my headless router (it often happens with PCI Ethernet cards) |
| 22:06.44 | Mac101 | ok will try thx |
| 22:08.30 | newbie999 | jhutchins_wk: Thx, I never would not guess about it. |
| 22:09.21 | valdyn | riadh_: read the docs, raid10 with mdadm is *not* the same as raid1 + raid0 |
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| 22:09.26 | jhutchins_wk | newbie999: The only reason I came up with it is that somebody posted a tar command with the o option in it, and I had to look up what it did. |
| 22:10.03 | riadh_ | oh |
| 22:11.40 | russoisraeli | guys, any idea why Debian kernel would refuse to boot with message "mounting /dev/sda2 on /root failed: No such device", when right before that it detects sda and all of the relevant partitions? |
| 22:11.40 | newbie999 | jhutchins_wk: Once again - thx. |
| 22:12.36 | jhutchins_wk | russoisraeli: What kernel? |
| 22:12.53 | russoisraeli | jhutchins_wk: 6.0.3 |
| 22:12.56 | russoisraeli | sorry |
| 22:13.04 | riadh_ | valdyn, where can I find more informations about it? |
| 22:13.18 | russoisraeli | the latest one for 6.0.3... |
| 22:13.26 | ompaul | russoisraeli: that's not a kernel you'll find it on the grub screen as you boot please write it down |
| 22:13.51 | russoisraeli | yeah, sorry... 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 22:14.04 | russoisraeli | standard kernel from updates, not custom compiled |
| 22:14.54 | russoisraeli | ompaul, jhutchins_wk: standard 2.6.32-5-686 from updates |
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| 22:15.49 | jhutchins_wk | russoisraeli: That didn't suggest an answer, just eliminated some possible causes. |
| 22:15.50 | dl7rsp_lappy | hello |
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| 22:16.18 | Mac101 | thewanderer1, hmm i dont seem to have a vga aperture size option in my bios, there is IGD and thats already set to 256mb? |
| 22:16.22 | jhutchins_wk | russoisraeli: Anything unusual about the drive? |
| 22:16.30 | jhutchins_wk | russoisraeli: Can you boot to something else like a live CD? |
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| 22:17.08 | russoisraeli | jhutchins_wk: yes, I am doing changes using the Gentoo live CD.... the change was that I copied the Debian system over to a new computer |
| 22:17.19 | thewanderer1 | Mac101, already at 256MB? hmm. that's probably why you're not seeing 100% cpu usage from kernel processes! |
| 22:17.23 | valdyn | riadh_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-standard_RAID_levels#Linux_MD_RAID_10 |
| 22:17.51 | thewanderer1 | Mac101, your only hope is the DSDT fix found on the Internet, then |
| 22:17.53 | russoisraeli | jhutchins_wk: new HD... recreated partitions, rsync'ed over the stuff, grub-install, and update-grub from chroot |
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| 22:19.53 | SterNiX | hi, i have a wifi, and a lan, is it possible to divert ssh, through the lan and the rest of the packets through wlan? |
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| 22:23.42 | russoisraeli | jhutchins_wk: ok, so I'll change the grub device names to UUID's, and try to recreate initrd? |
| 22:23.50 | valdyn | rainfyre: if its speed, you wont get that |
| 22:23.56 | valdyn | oops |
| 22:24.03 | valdyn | riadh_: if its speed, you wont get that |
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| 22:24.09 | jhutchins_wk | russoisraeli: Best I can come up with, no guarantees. Kinda "wiggle the wires" grade suggestion. |
| 22:24.27 | russoisraeli | jhutchins_wk: thanks, anything is good at this point :) |
| 22:24.47 | riadh_ | valdyn, this will be used as a file server for big documents, speed is not that important, redundancy is |
| 22:25.01 | russoisraeli | jhutchins_wk: I am a bit new to Debian.... it doesn't look like I should modify the grub.conf directly.... where should I make the changes? |
| 22:25.03 | valdyn | riadh_: so forget about raid0 |
| 22:25.18 | valdyn | riadh_: use raid1 or raid10 or raid5 or raid6 |
| 22:25.38 | riadh_ | ok so raid 10 it is |
| 22:27.09 | valdyn | riadh_: if you can split users into distinct groups with distinct documents, use multiple independent raids |
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| 22:28.05 | valdyn | riadh_: heck even if youre able to split documents into distinct categories with similar usage patters - split into multiple raids |
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| 22:28.34 | riadh_ | ok so multiple raid1 or raid10 is better than one big raid10 ? |
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| 22:28.50 | valdyn | riadh_: if the usage pattern supports this, yes |
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| 22:30.35 | valdyn | riadh_: huge raids are only good for sequential access patterns |
| 22:30.35 | riadh_ | valdyn, there is a way for me to split documents in 3 different arrays. |
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| 22:31.47 | riadh_ | another question : if a drive fails, is there a way to know witch one it is ? how it is done usually ? |
| 22:32.06 | valdyn | riadh_: i do it via the unique device id |
| 22:32.17 | jaakkos | blkid |
| 22:32.24 | jaakkos | sorry, hdparm -I |
| 22:32.52 | valdyn | riadh_: theres a number of unique ids, some pseudounique and some really unique |
| 22:33.05 | valdyn | riadh_: and any harddisk has a global id |
| 22:33.53 | valdyn | riadh_: my disks have a sticker with the global id |
| 22:34.09 | riadh_ | and how do you get the global id ? |
| 22:34.28 | valdyn | riadh_: hdparm -I |
| 22:35.33 | russoisraeli | jhutchins_wk: f-me... after running dpg-reconfigure it doesn't find the partitions anymore :( |
| 22:35.54 | valdyn | riadh_: theres a Serial Number and a Unique Id in the output of hdparm -I, both can work.. |
| 22:35.57 | jnewt | valdyn: you have to be careful with that though, i restored a backup once (rsync i think), and it copied the uuid as well, which threw me, so i'm not sure how raid would do this when re-building |
| 22:36.09 | valdyn | jnewt: im not using that uuid |
| 22:36.40 | riadh_ | i did it on my "system disk" it worked. but on the 3TB disks I get : HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(identify) failed: Input/output error |
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| 22:36.46 | valdyn | riadh_: or that uuid with the caveat jnewt mentioned |
| 22:37.12 | valdyn | riadh_: already broken disk? |
| 22:37.27 | valdyn | riadh_: that same serial should be in /dev/disk/by-id/ |
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| 22:37.53 | riadh_ | they aren't broken :/ |
| 22:38.08 | valdyn | riadh_: scsi-SATA_ST3500320NS_9QM92A07-part1 <- thats a partition as listed in /dev/disk/by-id/ |
| 22:38.19 | riadh_ | ok I see it |
| 22:38.27 | valdyn | riadh_: 9QM92A07 is the same serial |
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| 22:38.40 | riadh_ | I have : scsi-35000c50040c82e3f-part1 |
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| 22:39.48 | valdyn | riadh_: that looks equally broken to me |
| 22:39.56 | valdyn | riadh_: try if hdparm -i works instead |
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| 22:41.04 | bimbim | guys, hi |
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| 22:41.24 | riadh_ | valdyn, http://paste.debian.net/150429/ |
| 22:41.29 | riadh_ | that's what i get. |
| 22:41.30 | linduxed | is there a way to "redetect" all the /dev/sd* ? |
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| 22:41.37 | bimbim | why I can't do this with debian kernels: gunzip -c /proc/config.gz to look at current kernel's config |
| 22:41.50 | valdyn | riadh_: interesting, I havent seen a disk that does that |
| 22:41.53 | linduxed | i'm currently seeing /dev/sdb and /dev/sdd when they shouldn't be around |
| 22:41.56 | valdyn | riadh_: maybe this is a usb disk |
| 22:41.56 | bimbim | lemme search for an opt |
| 22:42.42 | bimbim | maybe CONFIG_IKCONFIG_PROC=y ? |
| 22:43.33 | jnewt | riadh_: just deleting the /dev entry is only removing a link and will re-appear on re-boot. |
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| 22:44.37 | riadh_ | valdyn, no, I confirm they are sata disk |
| 22:44.49 | riadh_ | seagate constellation es 3TB |
| 22:45.23 | riadh_ | maybe it's because they are 3TB. |
| 22:45.28 | valdyn | riadh_: no |
| 22:45.32 | bimbim | wow, I googled, and it is actually CONFIG_IKCONFIG_PROC=y |
| 22:45.53 | bimbim | how to contact debian kernel team? |
| 22:46.12 | valdyn | bimbim: im sure you wouldnt be the first to ask this, check the bts |
| 22:46.12 | bimbim | on OFTC they send to reportbug and such crap |
| 22:46.35 | somiaj | bimbim: because debian kernels all put their config file in /boot/config-version |
| 22:46.50 | somiaj | bimbim: so there is no reason to also have a copy of the whole config inside the kernel memeory |
| 22:46.51 | bimbim | valdyn: I have a choice: to contact devs or to build my own kernels |
| 22:47.18 | bimbim | somiaj: having config in /proc/ fs is much better, I hope you can understand it |
| 22:47.21 | valdyn | bimbim: you really think they would change all debian kernels because you ask now? |
| 22:47.38 | valdyn | bimbim: im pretty sure that chances for that are slim |
| 22:47.45 | somiaj | bimbim: why is it much better? To me I would rather take up harddrive space for a config file than have it hiding in my kernel memeory? |
| 22:47.51 | simonlnu | they would be shipping 2 copies of the kernel config |
| 22:47.53 | valdyn | bimbim: so check the bts and file a bug report if that does not exist yet |
| 22:47.57 | bimbim | valdyn: this option gives no harm, I hope they can use it for the future releases |
| 22:48.17 | simonlnu | it's only useful if you don't have the on-disk copy |
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| 22:48.46 | bimbim | simonlnu: are you sure your copy inside initrd's /boot/ valid? |
| 22:48.49 | somiaj | if you really want it you can compile your own kernel with make-kpkg, but over all I don't see why its useful since debian kernel packages are all shipped with an exact copy of the config file used that is easy to get |
| 22:49.02 | valdyn | bimbim: actually, its in the faq http://wiki.debian.org/KernelFAQ |
| 22:49.16 | simonlnu | bimbim: it's not in the initrd. and yes, debian kernels ship a valid one. |
| 22:49.18 | bimbim | I just suggested.... |
| 22:49.50 | simonlnu | why would they ship an invalid one? that makes no sense. |
| 22:49.53 | bimbim | valdyn: I do work for upstream vanilla kernels |
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| 22:50.26 | bimbim | simonlnu: why to ship a copy then? if it can be easily got from /proc/? |
| 22:50.49 | valdyn | bimbim: read the FAQ |
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| 22:51.06 | bimbim | o-k-a-y |
| 22:51.08 | simonlnu | because you then have to be booted to that kernel to get that kernel's conf to fetch it, without resorting to hexediting |
| 22:51.47 | valdyn | bimbim: the bts is still the right way if you want to change this |
| 22:51.57 | somiaj | hasn't debian been doing this with configs since before the upstream included that option as well. I also think if you wanted to hide the config from users its just the matter of removing/changing prmisions on a file as opposed to making a new kernel. |
| 22:51.59 | bimbim | simonlnu: and w/o? you must load kernel, and use 3rd starge initrd/initramfs |
| 22:52.04 | simonlnu | much easier to get a file on-disk than having to access memory |
| 22:52.12 | riadh_ | valdyn, another question : let's say that I mark a disk as faulty, the hot spare will resync, if I waht to put back the faulty device as spare, can I just do it normaly or do I have to do something like : mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sdxx |
| 22:52.30 | simonlnu | bimbim: what? |
| 22:52.47 | valdyn | riadh_: you can just put it back "mdadm --re-add /dev/sdc1 /dev/md0" iirc |
| 22:53.01 | bimbim | simonlnu: firmware -> os bootloader (like yaboot or lilo) -> initrd << 3rd stage |
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| 22:53.15 | valdyn | riadh_: it will not resync the whole disk if thats not needed |
| 22:53.33 | riadh_ | even if a spare has started to resync ? |
| 22:53.35 | bimbim | simonlnu: kernel is ready on 2nd stage |
| 22:53.37 | simonlnu | it's a Y or N option, there is no M. you can't put it in the initrd. |
| 22:53.50 | valdyn | riadh_: oh |
| 22:53.54 | bimbim | simonlnu: what? |
| 22:54.01 | valdyn | riadh_: yea, then it will stick to the newly resyncing i guess |
| 22:54.06 | bimbim | can put in initrd anything he want |
| 22:54.11 | simonlnu | besides, the config is *already* there. that's what the build uses to *make the thing* |
| 22:54.21 | riadh_ | valdyn, I confirm, just tried it. |
| 22:54.38 | valdyn | riadh_: you have huge disks, try using bitmaps |
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| 22:54.50 | bimbim | simonlnu: okay, got it, debian guys do prefer their own build stuff |
| 22:54.51 | bimbim | okay |
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| 22:54.53 | riadh_ | bitmaps ? |
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| 22:54.59 | simonlnu | bimbim: then go ahead, patch your kernel. then, send the patch to the debian kernel team, and let me know what happens. |
| 22:55.02 | valdyn | riadh_: its like a raid journal |
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| 22:55.17 | simonlnu | you're going to be patching upstream too. |
| 22:55.18 | valdyn | riadh_: so you dont have to sync your 3TB on a system crash |
| 22:55.25 | bimbim | simonlnu: *my* kernel? oops, sorry, you didn't get an idea |
| 22:55.41 | bimbim | see you |
| 22:55.44 | riadh_ | hm, i'm using ext4, the documentation says : |
| 22:55.48 | riadh_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.48 | riadh_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:56.02 | simonlnu | yup, run away like a child |
| 22:56.06 | valdyn | riadh_: thats a filesystem |
| 22:56.32 | somiaj | simonlnu: I like how he said putting the ziped config in proc was better but yet came up with one reason why it was so. (: |
| 22:56.41 | valdyn | riadh_: -binternal ( internal bitmap ) |
| 22:56.58 | simonlnu | shakes his head |
| 22:57.01 | hikenboot | I am having difficulty finding any information on iscsitarget (userland tools how to use them) I find no man page and i find little reference..find plenty of references for open-iscsi anyone able to help |
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| 23:08.29 | wooden | i've got a machine with two SSDs in hardware RAID0 and the OS installed on a SATA drive. what's the best way to benchmark the i/o of the SSDs? |
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| 23:10.44 | dondelelcaro | wooden: bonnie++ or similar will do that for you. |
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| 23:11.04 | dondelelcaro | not sure if it's the "best way", but it is "a way" |
| 23:12.25 | silvertip257 | I've installed Debian inside of a LUKS volume ... I've decided I'd like to be able to reboot this machine without entering a passphrase (yeah - this defeats encryption), so I'm attempting to set up a keyfile. No dice so far ... a passphrase is asked for and when I rebuild the initramfs, it verbosely says it's skipping my crypt device because a keyfile is associated with it. Any advice on how to set up an auto-decrypt setup via a keyfi |
| 23:12.25 | silvertip257 | le? |
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| 23:14.44 | wooden | dondelelcaro: thanks for that. |
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| 23:19.40 | riadh_ | how can I create a 0xDA partition with mdadm? |
| 23:19.43 | riadh_ | oops. |
| 23:19.46 | riadh_ | with parted |
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| 23:21.53 | comps | is there a tool able to guess package dependencies by using "ldd" on a final binary (or doing something similar)? .. I believe I've heard of such thing, but forgot its name |
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| 23:25.02 | abrotman | comps: you mean a binary dependencies? |
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| 23:25.25 | Leoneof | hey, this version 2.6.32-5-686 is the latest version for kernel? |
| 23:26.28 | thewanderer1 | Leoneof, it's the latest kernel version in Debian 6.0, yes |
| 23:26.40 | Leoneof | :`( |
| 23:26.43 | Leoneof | thanks |
| 23:27.28 | abrotman | why? |
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| 23:30.16 | Leoneof | abrotman: i think i've seen v3 |
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| 23:31.04 | comps | abrotman: yep, I'd like to make a virtual machine with the sole purpose of building things (that are unavailable for squeeze) from source, a "builder" if you will ... so I can keep my main desktop system "clean" |
| 23:32.15 | comps | I'm already able to create packages using checkinstall, but those have not even basic dependencies, which isn't a problem, .. but libs I need to install then show up in deborphan (or "orphaner" frontend), which is what I'd like to avoid |
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| 23:34.08 | comps | so I don't need exact dependency package version numbers, I just need some basic list of package names which a particular binary depends upon |
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| 23:35.53 | abrotman | Leoneof: v3 of what? |
| 23:36.16 | abrotman | comps: you could maybe pass the output of ldd to apt-file and then to aptitude ? |
| 23:37.19 | comps | sure, it can be scripted, I was just hoping there's already a well-tuned script for it |
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| 23:37.56 | comps | I've seen someone mentioning it somewhere on the bugzilla |
| 23:39.51 | Leoneof | abrotman: kernel version |
| 23:40.13 | hikenboot | I am having difficulty finding any information on iscsitarget (userland tools how to use them) I find no man page and i find little reference..find plenty of references for open-iscsi anyone able to help |
| 23:40.52 | abrotman | Leoneof: not officially for squeeze |
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| 23:41.06 | Leoneof | abrotman: okay |
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| 23:42.30 | thewanderer1 | Leoneof, hint: Linux 3.x is more buggy than 2.6.32 :P |
| 23:42.49 | abrotman | it is? |
| 23:42.49 | Leoneof | ah phew!! |
| 23:43.02 | Leoneof | lets bug it |
| 23:43.10 | abrotman | Leoneof: let's try it this way .. ar eyou having any problems with the kernel you have? |
| 23:43.45 | Leoneof | abrotman: no, never :) |
| 23:43.51 | abrotman | Leoneof: then why does it matter? :) |
| 23:43.52 | Wizbang | Hey everybody, hope you're all doing great! Anyone know a way to disable ipv6 on my debian machine? |
| 23:44.01 | abrotman | !tell Wizbang about noipv6 |
| 23:44.14 | Leoneof | abrotman: i like to update everything ^_^ |
| 23:44.35 | Wizbang | abrotman, thanks! |
| 23:44.45 | abrotman | Leoneof: okay |
| 23:44.53 | Dagger3 | Wizbang: if you don't mind me asking -- why do you want to? |
| 23:45.11 | abrotman | in some environments, ipv6 can cause issues |
| 23:45.40 | nvz | I've not came across a need for ipv6 but also haven't come across a reason to disable it completely |
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| 23:46.17 | Dagger3 | I was wondering what the "some environments" was, since just having link-locals configured on each interface should have approximately no impact whatsoever |
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| 23:47.16 | jnewt | why is it that all user / how to / troubleshooting guides skip the part i have trouble with |
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| 23:48.12 | Wizbang | Dagger3, it causes a problem with my geronimo server |
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| 23:48.46 | abrotman | jnewt: cause you followed the others steps incorrectly? :) |
| 23:49.31 | Dagger3 | J2EE? ok, not even gonna touch that |
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| 23:49.47 | Leoneof | abrotman: i want to use KDE 4.8 :D |
| 23:50.01 | abrotman | Leoneof: okay .. and? |
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| 23:50.32 | hikenboot | ok anyone know the developement package for ssl..its not exactly apparent by listing aptitude search openssl |
| 23:50.36 | Leoneof | abrotman: and.... |
| 23:51.59 | hikenboot | never mind...thanks google |
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| 23:52.46 | jnewt | abrotman: lets say i am looking at an "installing a new hdd in linux" tutorial. and it starts with fdisk -l. my fdisk -l doesn't show the disk. i don't know specifically where to look in the bios, and can't seem to find the information anywhere. i know the disk is spinning, the cable is good, and the port on the mobo is good. now, there is no further information i can find. |
| 23:53.51 | abrotman | jnewt: dmesg? are you root? |
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| 23:54.36 | abrotman | Leoneof: i'm confused what you're asking here |
| 23:54.47 | abrotman | Leoneof: have you checked packages.debian.org to see if 4.8.x is even in Debian yet? |
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| 23:58.53 | jnewt | abrotman: the only thing i see that may be related after the latest ACPI: Power Button is a EXT3-fs warning: maximal mount count reached, but I don't think thats related |
| 23:59.06 | abrotman | nope |
| 23:59.10 | jnewt | due to the fact that i haven't created a fs on the new hdd |
| 23:59.17 | abrotman | jnewt: as root, fdisk -l .. do you see the drive? |
| 23:59.31 | abrotman | jnewt: dmesg | grep sd .. do you see extra drives? |
| 23:59.37 | abrotman | assumes it's SATA |