| 00:00.22 | jnewt | fdisk doesn't show it. |
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| 00:01.15 | jnewt | only things unknown in grep sd is attached scsi generic sg0 type 0, also the same for sg2, sg3, the others are all sda / b / c which i know |
| 00:01.24 | jnewt | you assume correctly |
| 00:01.48 | thewanderer1 | jnewt, does /dev/disk/by-id/ contain a name that resembles what might be the disk? |
| 00:02.22 | abrotman | jnewt: what is 'uname -a" ? |
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| 00:02.51 | Todd169 | Hello. |
| 00:03.09 | Todd169 | Over the past couple of days, I have had 2 problems: usb devices were not working and my usb modem was not working. |
| 00:03.32 | jnewt | abrotman: Linux NAS 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 #1 SMP Tue Jan...it's lenny |
| 00:03.32 | Todd169 | I have found a solution to the first problem, and I would like to share it so that if anyone else comes here with the same problem, they may know how to fix it. |
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| 00:03.45 | jnewt | thewanderer1: i'm looking, 1 min |
| 00:04.09 | Todd169 | I did an install onto a netbook with squeeze on a flash drive. The solution was very simple. In /etc/fstab a line puts /dev/sdb1 to /dev/cdrom0 I think |
| 00:04.22 | Todd169 | and commenting that out makes /dev/sdb1 work the way it should |
| 00:04.23 | jnewt | thewanderer1, all known disks / partitions in /dev/disk/by-id |
| 00:04.23 | Todd169 | :) |
| 00:04.26 | thewanderer1 | Todd169, stuff like that is usually posted on personal blogs :P |
| 00:04.43 | thewanderer1 | jnewt, all known disks means you're not seeing the one you want? |
| 00:04.54 | jnewt | thewanderer1, correct |
| 00:05.09 | jnewt | and there are no extra unkown anythings |
| 00:05.14 | thewanderer1 | jnewt, the kernel doesn't see it then... is it recognized by the BIOS at POST? |
| 00:06.24 | jnewt | thewanderer1, I can't figure out how to tell if it is or isn't, i don't see it anywhere in the cmos setup, but i don't see one of the other three either. I only see my 250 and 320 gb, not the 1tb or 2tb in the cmos setup. the 1tb shows up in fdisk, but not the 2tb |
| 00:06.49 | PerfDave | hikenboot: Go to p.d.o and look up the source package for openssl, then see what other binary packages are bult from that source package |
| 00:07.03 | jnewt | i updated my bios to see if that fixed the problem, it is the latest revision thewanderer1 |
| 00:07.18 | thewanderer1 | jnewt, you should probably see all of your disks in the CMOS setup, for example when setting boot order |
| 00:07.28 | jnewt | hrm, 1 min |
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| 00:07.38 | SVNDR | valdyn: finally got it working |
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| 00:09.26 | DusteD | Just installed testing, gnome3, omg.. So got xfce setup pretty neat, however, seems gtk3 applications now look rather 80's |
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| 00:11.06 | jnewt | thewanderer1: i have this in the boot order-> 1. Ch2 M. : WD2500KS-00MJB0 2. Ch3 M. : WDC WD1002FAEX-00Z3A0 3. SCSI-0 : 4. Bootable Add-in Cards |
| 00:11.16 | thewanderer1 | DusteD, GTK3 apps will no longer accept GTK2 settings, so this is expected |
| 00:11.44 | jnewt | so the first is my 250gb (os), the second is my 1tb(storage), and that's all i know |
| 00:11.50 | thewanderer1 | jnewt, I don't know but it seems like some goofy SATA controller in action |
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| 00:12.56 | dirkson | apt-get install postfix. /etc/init.d/postfix start; There appears to be nothing named "postfix" running, /var/log/mail.* logs are empty, and port 25 is closed. What... what am I doing wrong? O.o |
| 00:13.06 | DusteD | thewanderer1, but if I configure a desired skin using gnome3, then those settings should be present somewhere in some obscure configfile for gtk3 to read ? |
| 00:13.08 | jnewt | thewanderer: i have two pci-> sata cards, but if i plug the 2tb directly to mobo, it doesn't show in fdisk, although, it may change the output of this cmos boot order options screen |
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| 00:13.46 | DusteD | ah, settings daemon, sorry about that.. |
| 00:14.20 | thewanderer1 | DusteD, GNOME configuration is an unearthly mess... if you find something that they're not using D-Bus for, take it to the museum |
| 00:14.47 | DusteD | thewanderer1, haha, well, using config files just seemed too easy and userfriendly ;) |
| 00:15.14 | thewanderer1 | jnewt, aha, so the disks are hidden behind individual controllers... are they by any chance "RAID cards" with their own BIOS? |
| 00:16.03 | hikenboot | PerfDave: thanks for the help...figured it out with googles help |
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| 00:16.29 | jnewt | thewanderer1, if i swap the cables for the 1tb and 2tb, the 1tb moves to the scsi-0 slot on the boot order (it's now connected to the pci->sata card), and the "Ch3 M." slot is blank (i think that's where the 2tb should be. |
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| 00:17.27 | dirkson | Hey all. I've installed and attempted to run postfix. There appears to be nothing named "postfix" running, /var/log/mail.* logs are empty, and port 25 is closed. What... what am I doing wrong? O.o |
| 00:17.51 | jnewt | thewanderer1, yet i'm no closer to understanding why / how this is happening, and what to do about it |
| 00:17.53 | thewanderer1 | jnewt, definitely a weird controller |
| 00:18.24 | thewanderer1 | jnewt, are those RAID cards? |
| 00:18.59 | jnewt | if i plug the 320 and the 1tb into the controller, they both show in bios. it seems to be isolated to the drive, not the card, if the drives are plugged into the card, they just show in a slot with scsi-1 in front instead of chx m. |
| 00:19.53 | jnewt | it doesn't seem to be wierd, just labeled different. |
| 00:20.05 | jnewt | i don't know if it's a raid card |
| 00:20.16 | thewanderer1 | the box should tell you :P |
| 00:20.30 | thewanderer1 | or does it display its own BIOS screen after POST? |
| 00:20.34 | jnewt | let me go get it from 2008 real quick |
| 00:22.05 | jnewt | thewaderer1: lets forget about that card for now, the drive is plugged into the mobo, not the card, and the drives plugged into that card work fine |
| 00:22.19 | jnewt | i don't see any reason why it would be related |
| 00:22.30 | jnewt | i'll even pull it if you think it is |
| 00:22.56 | jnewt | readies screwdriver |
| 00:23.04 | dirkson | Hey all. I've installed and attempted to run postfix. There appears to be nothing named "postfix" running, /var/log/mail.* logs are empty, and port 25 is closed. What... what am I doing wrong? O.o |
| 00:24.04 | dirkson | disconsolately apt-get installs and apt-get purges. Maybe the 14th time will be the charm? o.O |
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| 00:27.44 | PerfDave | dirkson: No output from /etc/init.d/postfix start? |
| 00:27.44 | thewanderer1 | jnewt, hmm, what make and model is the HDD that does not show up? |
| 00:27.47 | dirkson | PerfDave: GOT IT. The system logger was down. Now I have an error to work with, thank you! |
| 00:27.56 | PerfDave | Huzzah |
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| 00:28.45 | jnewt | thewanderer1, Western Digital WDBAAZ0020HNC-NRSN |
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| 00:31.17 | thewanderer1 | jnewt, is it visible if you unplug all other drives? can you boot from it? |
| 00:31.55 | jnewt | the only one left is the os drive... i'll unplug it. i will not be able to boot from it, it's not even formatted |
| 00:32.34 | heldus | is it ok to ask for debian kfreebsd setup help in here, or is there a dedicated channel? |
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| 00:34.24 | thewanderer1 | jnewt, so this data should house your data? I'd ask you to install GRUB on it and see if you can boot from that, but if it's not seen in Linux, oh well... |
| 00:34.26 | jnewt | thewanderer1: it shows up as blank, but it does show up still (in the boot order), the ones unplugged don't even show up (no 1. Ch2 M. : ) |
| 00:34.43 | thewanderer1 | jnewt, what does "blank" mean? the SCSI-0 line? |
| 00:34.44 | paijo | heldus: i don't know, but maybe there dedicated channel on #debian-kbsd on irc.debian.org |
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| 00:35.07 | jnewt | thewanderer1: 1. Ch2 M. : line (motherboard channel 0 port) |
| 00:35.39 | jnewt | the mobo ch 0 / 1 sata show up as ch 2/3 in the bios (ide is ch 0/1) |
| 00:35.59 | heldus | paijo: there is, thanks! :) |
| 00:36.14 | jnewt | so yeah, i just realized i get a line for the drive. not sure if that helps, b/c it still isn't in fdisk |
| 00:36.15 | thewanderer1 | jnewt, ok, it seems that the disk is misbehaving... try it on another machine |
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| 00:36.29 | jnewt | thewanderer1: shows as unformated space under windows |
| 00:36.38 | thewanderer1 | jnewt, on a different machine? |
| 00:36.41 | jnewt | yup |
| 00:36.55 | thewanderer1 | jnewt, then presumably it works there on Linux, too? |
| 00:37.26 | jnewt | maybe, not sure, don't have linux on that machine (it's the one i'm using right now) |
| 00:37.53 | jnewt | but presumably, it could, but that doesn't really help me |
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| 00:41.07 | jnewt | thewanderer1: so what should i do now, get a new mobo / proc combo for my nas so i can use 2tb drives? try a diff brand? (i've had good luck with wd blacks though) |
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| 00:41.53 | thewanderer1 | jnewt, don't 2TB drives require UEFI? (does the Windows machine you were checking on have it?) |
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| 00:42.53 | jnewt | i don't know what that is, but my windows machine is pretty bad-ass, i7-950, 12gb ram, ssd, usb3 on the mobo, etc, so i'd say it's got it. |
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| 00:43.33 | jnewt | even reading it just looks like a spec |
| 00:43.52 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: No. |
| 00:44.37 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt, hmm, never had a 2TB drive but wasn't that the whole excuse for shoving UEFI down people's throats? |
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| 00:45.12 | jhutchins_lt | No. |
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| 00:45.53 | jhutchins_lt | Mostly lots of other reasons, that the BIOS is obsolete. |
| 00:46.02 | SVNDR | is there a command to rehash/reload a process in the terminal? |
| 00:46.07 | thewanderer1 | hmm ok, apparently it's just MBR which doesn't support beyond 2TB |
| 00:46.09 | jhutchins_lt | Macs have had efi since they went Intel. |
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| 00:46.40 | jnewt | so this is a size thing? |
| 00:47.00 | thewanderer1 | it seems to me that it is |
| 00:47.03 | PerfDave | It's not size that matters? |
| 00:47.23 | thewanderer1 | PerfDave, apparently, not always :P |
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| 00:48.40 | jnewt | so how do i fix this? i've updated bios firmware, do i need a new mobo? |
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| 00:49.41 | thewanderer1 | try hitting the manufacturer's support channels first, they might know something abtout tha |
| 00:49.42 | jhutchins_lt | The MBR limit is for the maximum size of a PARTITION, not the drive. |
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| 00:51.00 | jnewt | thewanderer1: i hit up gigabytes support ticket system, but i haven't gotten a response (sent before christmas), so i think they're off, or don't know, or don't care. |
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| 00:51.18 | thewanderer1 | jnewt, eh, that's what they get for outsourcing support... try harder |
| 00:51.22 | jhutchins_lt | jnewt: Does it matter which drive is in which connector? |
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| 00:52.18 | jnewt | jhutchins_lt: no, i can move them all around, swap cables, etc, it's isolated to that drive and this computer. the drive works in my other windows machine (didn't format it, but it shows in windows as un-partitioned space |
| 00:52.54 | jhutchins_lt | So just an incompatibility between the drive and the MB I guess. |
| 00:54.07 | jnewt | but no answer as to why / how / what to do to make it compatible |
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| 00:56.31 | thewanderer1 | jnewt, I doubt anyone in this channel knows exactly what black magic drives the proprietary BIOSes of motherboards and hard disks... I think you'd have to ask a sorcerer and pay him with blood :/ |
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| 00:58.04 | thewanderer1 | jnewt, one workaround to try might be getting a card with its own BIOS (yay!) and running through that |
| 00:58.21 | jnewt | i mighte have one. |
| 00:58.24 | jnewt | or two. |
| 00:58.42 | thewanderer1 | for example a fakeRAID controller where you enable the crappy RAID and then use some dmraid kernel module to talk to that |
| 00:59.04 | thewanderer1 | might even work with just 1 disk if you manage to convince it, I guess |
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| 00:59.09 | jnewt | i have an sd-sata-4p, and a sy-via-150r pci cards, i guess those are fakeRAID? |
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| 00:59.23 | thewanderer1 | if they cost below $200, yes |
| 00:59.37 | jnewt | then yes, i think they cost like $5 |
| 00:59.38 | ooxi | hi has somebody here experience with apache lucene? can an index be accessed by multiple programmes simultaniously? |
| 00:59.46 | thewanderer1 | but then they might not come with their own BIOS |
| 00:59.55 | ooxi | like one process rebuilding the index while another is searching using these indizes |
| 01:00.14 | thewanderer1 | jnewt, a good indicator of BIOS is a screen while booting the PC with the manufacturer name and a text like "press Omg+Wtf+F2 to set up RAID" |
| 01:00.40 | jnewt | yup, i've got that prompt. |
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| 01:01.19 | thewanderer1 | jnewt, well, have you set it up? typically there would be an "AHCI mode" and a "RAID mode"... |
| 01:01.47 | jnewt | no, i see the drive right through the card, no setup required (except this one new drive) |
| 01:01.58 | jnewt | they are the scsi lines in bios |
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| 01:03.16 | jhutchins_lt | jnewt: If the BIOS doesn't see the drive there's nothing you're going to be able to do with Debian to fix it. |
| 01:03.42 | jhutchins_lt | jnewt: You might be able to find a resolution by searching the combination of the drive model and the motherboard model. |
| 01:03.47 | thewanderer1 | jnewt, if you could enter the card's setup then you would probably be able to switch it to RAID mode and use dmraid |
| 01:04.49 | Jatofire | Anyone in here know a good way to stream .mkv files to an iPad? |
| 01:04.53 | jhutchins_lt | jnewt: You can keep trying random suggestions from guessing strangers, but unless you find someone who's had this problem, knows what the problem is, and how to fix it you might as well paint it with chicken blood. |
| 01:05.37 | jhutchins_lt | Jatofire: google linux media server apple - I think mediatomb works. |
| 01:06.05 | Jatofire | jhutchins: Thanks I'll give it a go. |
| 01:06.12 | Homeman | Hey. What alternatives to squid is there in the repositories ? (Using privoxy allready) |
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| 01:07.40 | jnewt | jhutchins_lt: i am trying random suggestions, i can't find anyone who knows how to fix it, and i don't mind blood |
| 01:08.00 | jnewt | it's like red milk |
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| 01:18.46 | gardar | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 01:19.02 | gardar | why did I not know about this before? |
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| 01:19.23 | gardar | could have saved a whole lot of time in the past |
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| 01:22.50 | dondelelcaro | gardar: it's not all that old, but yes, google would have told you about it |
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| 01:24.42 | gardar | dondelelcaro: just glad I came across it, will save me a bunch of time setting up dell servers in the future :) |
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| 01:29.14 | rajkosto | how do this |
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| 01:30.14 | rajkosto | /usr/include/features.h:323:26: fatal error: bits/predefs.h: No such file or directory |
| 01:30.16 | rajkosto | i cant compile anything. |
| 01:30.24 | rajkosto | i cant reinstlal libc6-dev |
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| 01:31.34 | nkuttler | !errors |
| 01:31.34 | dpkg | If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>. |
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| 01:33.09 | rajkosto | http://codepad.org/5OVgD1vR |
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| 01:35.27 | nkuttler | rajkosto: what does apt-get -f install give you? |
| 01:35.44 | rajkosto | libc6-dev is already the newest version. |
| 01:35.44 | rajkosto | libc6-dev set to manually installed. |
| 01:35.54 | nkuttler | please pastebin it |
| 01:36.10 | rajkosto | http://codepad.org/on2M2Zqq |
| 01:36.38 | gardar | rajkosto: what happens if you purge it and then install it again? |
| 01:36.49 | rajkosto | how do i do it without UNINSTALLING EVERYTHIGN |
| 01:37.43 | rajkosto | as it wants to remove all my -dev packages |
| 01:38.03 | nkuttler | rajkosto: did you run an apt-get update recently? |
| 01:38.07 | rajkosto | yers |
| 01:38.25 | simonlnu | that's hardly everything |
| 01:38.50 | rajkosto | i remvoed it |
| 01:38.52 | rajkosto | now it wont install |
| 01:38.52 | rajkosto | http://codepad.org/Ni7UH8lq |
| 01:39.33 | nkuttler | rajkosto: looks like you're mixing releases |
| 01:39.45 | nkuttler | that won't work |
| 01:39.53 | rajkosto | alll squeeze |
| 01:40.06 | rajkosto | my /etc/apt/sources.lsit http://codepad.org/eY6tCDZO |
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| 01:41.10 | nkuttler | !dotdeb |
| 01:41.10 | dpkg | hmm... dotdeb is for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/ , but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. The packages from backports.debian.org are vastly superior. Ask me about <backports> and <debian-backports>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" |
| 01:41.18 | nkuttler | and backports |
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| 01:41.40 | nkuttler | libc6 2.13-21 certainly isn't squeeze |
| 01:42.15 | rajkosto | anyway |
| 01:42.17 | rajkosto | how remove |
| 01:42.20 | rajkosto | install correct one |
| 01:42.22 | nkuttler | maybe you have no testing in there *now* |
| 01:43.05 | rajkosto | how reinstall everything |
| 01:43.26 | nkuttler | rajkosto: apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 01:43.39 | simonlnu | that's a wheezy libc... |
| 01:43.56 | nkuttler | looks like it, doesn't it |
| 01:43.58 | rajkosto | http://codepad.org/okqHlOng |
| 01:44.08 | rajkosto | how revert |
| 01:44.15 | nkuttler | !downgrade |
| 01:44.15 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 01:44.34 | nkuttler | rajkosto: basically, reinstall |
| 01:44.37 | rajkosto | cant do that |
| 01:44.51 | rajkosto | how get to wheezy |
| 01:45.19 | nkuttler | you can't reinstall but you can upgrade to testing? |
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| 01:45.52 | rajkosto | yes |
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| 01:46.06 | simonlnu | well, it would help to unbreak things, but then this isn't squeeze any more either.... |
| 01:46.08 | rajkosto | if im already there |
| 01:46.18 | rajkosto | might as well |
| 01:46.22 | Corey | Is there anything approaching an official "EOL date" for Lenny yet? |
| 01:46.30 | nkuttler | what was it, #debian-next @ oftc? |
| 01:46.46 | simonlnu | it's a pita to downgrade libc6, because most of the repo deps on it. |
| 01:46.48 | simonlnu | yup |
| 01:47.08 | nkuttler | rajkosto: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy and join #debian-next at oftc |
| 01:47.26 | rajkosto | tf is oftc |
| 01:47.37 | simonlnu | Corey: a few weeks ago i heard 2 months. i don't have confirmation, so take with a salt shaker's worth of salt. |
| 01:47.44 | nkuttler | there's this thing called google. you can search for it in your favorite search engine |
| 01:47.48 | Corey | simonlnu: Ah, that soon? |
| 01:47.57 | Corey | nkuttler: I did, I didn't see anything. |
| 01:48.18 | simonlnu | 'lenny deprecation date' |
| 01:48.20 | nkuttler | Corey: i wasn't talking to you :) anyway, probably 1 year after the next release |
| 01:48.23 | nkuttler | oh lenny |
| 01:48.26 | nkuttler | yeah, soon |
| 01:49.05 | nkuttler | should write an irssi script that replaces release names with stable/oldstable.. |
| 01:49.39 | simonlnu | i have a completion |
| 01:50.03 | nkuttler | i mean for reading. i'm getting confused with all the frequent updates :) |
| 01:50.20 | simonlnu | squeeze == stable, wheezy == testing, sid == unstable. sid will always be unstable |
| 01:50.33 | simonlnu | ah |
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| 01:50.49 | simonlnu | that's why little completion ^^ |
| 01:50.54 | simonlnu | my* |
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| 01:52.49 | sc30317 | just installed a debian squeeze install for my HP microserver. Any must have applications for server administration? |
| 01:53.10 | simonlnu | vim or emacs |
| 01:53.22 | simonlnu | zsh |
| 01:53.22 | sc30317 | simonlnu, vim |
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| 01:53.44 | GorDonFreeMan | mc |
| 01:53.47 | GorDonFreeMan | :P |
| 01:53.53 | simonlnu | yes, mc |
| 01:53.57 | sc30317 | haha mc |
| 01:54.30 | sc30317 | what benefits does zsh have over sh? |
| 01:54.47 | GorDonFreeMan | it has a 'z' in it ;> |
| 01:54.53 | simonlnu | zsh is for your shell instead of bash. but stick with bash if you like it |
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| 01:57.10 | sc30317 | okay |
| 01:57.12 | sc30317 | anything else? |
| 01:57.36 | simonlnu | screen or tmux |
| 01:58.26 | sc30317 | got all those |
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| 01:58.42 | GorDonFreeMan | dd |
| 01:58.49 | GorDonFreeMan | coreutils |
| 01:58.55 | simonlnu | less instead of more, for man pages, piping etc. |
| 01:58.59 | GorDonFreeMan | sed grep |
| 01:59.05 | simonlnu | coreutils comes with the install iirc |
| 01:59.18 | simonlnu | ,info coreutils |
| 01:59.19 | judd | Package coreutils (utils, required) in squeeze/i386: GNU core utilities. Version: 8.5-1; Size: 4500.4k; Installed: 12188k; Homepage: http://gnu.org/software/coreutils; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/coreutils |
| 01:59.30 | simonlnu | yeh, see the 'required'? |
| 01:59.37 | iluminator101 | dvs, how did you get teksavvy.com on there |
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| 01:59.54 | somiaj | sc30317: beyond teh base system, the additonal things are either the services you need on your server, like ssh (should probabaly install this), and any other serverices you want. Beyond that the tools you need depend on what you want the server for. |
| 01:59.58 | dvs | iluminator101: no idea |
| 02:00.20 | somiaj | though apperentally real server admins don't use nano since you were suggested a text editor..:D |
| 02:00.22 | simonlnu | yes, ssh, and a key for the boxen |
| 02:00.36 | sc30317 | somiaj, yes, who uses nano? |
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| 02:00.38 | sc30317 | thats for wussies |
| 02:00.41 | sc30317 | vim all the way |
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| 02:00.50 | simonlnu | i use nano, but for one shots that require more than sed can handle |
| 02:01.01 | somiaj | sc30317: its part of the base install and suprising enough edits text files really well. But I to use vim. |
| 02:01.27 | simonlnu | has syntax highlighting even, which suprised me at first |
| 02:01.32 | somiaj | but if you aren't really developing / working on the server the few edits you need to do to config files can be done with nano just fine and you don't really need to install another editor. |
| 02:01.34 | simonlnu | sur* |
| 02:01.35 | sc30317 | somiaj, i'm [partially] kidding. nano was my first text posix text editor, now i've "graduated" to vim |
| 02:01.46 | sc30317 | makes sense |
| 02:02.35 | simonlnu | make sure your prompt shows you your CWD. |
| 02:02.36 | sc30317 | I set up my server for SMB, web serving, torrent box, ssh / remote desktop |
| 02:02.39 | sc30317 | doing everything |
| 02:02.42 | sc30317 | :) |
| 02:03.02 | simonlnu | sorta like a landmark |
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| 02:03.50 | sc30317 | simonlnu, ? |
| 02:04.00 | simonlnu | current working directory |
| 02:04.05 | sc30317 | also webmin is sweet |
| 02:04.12 | simonlnu | ugh |
| 02:04.32 | somiaj | most suggest against those fancy admin tools, they usually add more problems than they solve. |
| 02:04.40 | simonlnu | do yourself a favour and don't use it. you'll learn a lot more. |
| 02:05.03 | sc30317 | simonlnu, sure |
| 02:05.07 | sc30317 | you are probably right |
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| 02:06.14 | simonlnu | i admit to having used it. in retrospect, i'm glad i did dump it early on. was easy too, since it was mangling my configs, that i'd done manually. |
| 02:06.35 | simonlnu | and yeh, i learned a lot more dumping it. |
| 02:08.12 | sc30317 | simonlnu, makes sense |
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| 02:12.08 | surfdue | does anyone know where easy_install is on debian squeezy? |
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| 02:12.30 | somiaj | what is easy_install? |
| 02:12.38 | surfdue | iuno |
| 02:12.49 | surfdue | a script tells me to run it |
| 02:12.54 | surfdue | oh maybe its part of python |
| 02:12.55 | somiaj | what script? |
| 02:13.06 | surfdue | archipel |
| 02:13.13 | somiaj | I got two hits with 'apt-cache easy_install' both were from python] |
| 02:13.16 | somiaj | !tell surfdue about search |
| 02:13.47 | surfdue | E: Invalid operation easy_install |
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| 02:14.16 | somiaj | and what is this archipel I don't see it in debian either? |
| 02:14.24 | somiaj | seems you are trying to isntall something from outside of debian |
| 02:14.27 | Guest47743 | surfdue: apt-cache search easy_install |
| 02:14.27 | surfdue | archipelproject.org |
| 02:14.43 | simonlnu | easy_install is a way to install python modules |
| 02:14.49 | surfdue | ah! |
| 02:14.55 | simonlnu | there's pip too, which i like better |
| 02:17.43 | hikenboot | anyone know on the iscsitarget implementation of ISCSI how i determin IET IQN that is setup by default? |
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| 02:19.23 | hikenboot | never mind figured it out |
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| 02:28.35 | zr0 | my wifi connection in squeeze (via network manager, wpa2 auth, static ip) is disconnecting/reconnecting every 15 minutes or so. the output in daemon.log doesn't seem very helpful. any suggestions on how to debug this? |
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| 02:29.15 | rhenani | Hello GUys Merry Christmas for everybody |
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| 02:29.47 | rhenani | I just downloaded yasm 1.2.0.tar.gz and compiled it |
| 02:30.02 | rhenani | I had yasm 1.1.0 already compiled and i removed the folder |
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| 02:30.30 | rhenani | and just stay with the one is 1.2.0 and know when i do: yasm --version it's still showing yasm version 1.1.0 |
| 02:30.58 | somiaj | rhenani: did you install it with 'make install'? |
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| 02:31.04 | rhenani | somiaj: yeah |
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| 02:31.25 | somiaj | rhenani: most decient source will have a 'make uninstall' option, it could have put binaries and libs in various locations in /usr/local |
| 02:31.50 | somiaj | rhenani: in the future you could use stow if you wanted all of the installed stuff nicely put in a single folder. |
| 02:31.52 | Guest47743 | rhenani: do which yasm and also see the result of locat yasm | grep /bin/ and see the difference |
| 02:32.04 | Guest47743 | s/locat/locate/ |
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| 02:34.10 | rhenani | Guest47743: yasm: No input files specified |
| 02:35.07 | Guest47743 | rhenani: do "which yasm" without qoutes and see which yasm is executing when you run it, |
| 02:36.05 | rhenani | which yasm |
| 02:36.06 | rhenani | o |
| 02:36.07 | rhenani | ok |
| 02:36.19 | rhenani | Well i just solved it using somiaj method |
| 02:36.30 | rhenani | I did make unisntall inside yasm-1.2.0 folder |
| 02:36.35 | rhenani | nad then make install again ;) |
| 02:37.07 | rhenani | cd .. |
| 02:37.17 | rhenani | that's it |
| 02:37.24 | rhenani | yasm 1.2.0 |
| 02:37.25 | rhenani | Compiled on Dec 28 2011. |
| 02:37.25 | rhenani | Copyright (c) 2001-2011 Peter Johnson and other Yasm developers. |
| 02:37.27 | rhenani | Run yasm --license for licensing overview and summary. |
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| 03:00.46 | surfdue | so does anyone know any KVM control panels for debian? |
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| 03:05.58 | dnewbie | Anyone encounters no xorg.conf file, and when you try to generate one with xorg -configure, it says at the end that number of created screens does not match number of detected devices |
| 03:06.47 | somiaj | dnewbie: xorg is fairly automatic these days, most cases you just don't need an xorg.conf file or a blank one. |
| 03:07.22 | somiaj | dnewbie: what is it you are trying to do? |
| 03:08.15 | dnewbie | somiaj: because i read somewhere that no display for a bigger screen could be solved by commenting out some parts in the xorg.conf, so thought of trying that out |
| 03:09.53 | somiaj | dnewbie: have you tried a blank config file, what video card do you have? |
| 03:12.15 | dnewbie | somiaj: Video card Intel with HDMI and VGA output |
| 03:12.58 | dnewbie | somiaj:intel(R) HD grahics 2000 |
| 03:13.04 | zombiethoughts | Anyone know of software for streaming media to a roku box channel? |
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| 03:19.14 | somiaj | dnewbie: I would try a blank config file and look at the log file /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 03:23.51 | jnewt | how would one go about doing backups of a multi-terabyte, multi-disk raid array? |
| 03:23.52 | dnewbie | somiaj: thanks, im reinstalling debian then i try that out again |
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| 03:46.28 | sc30317 | jnewt, dd would work (if you had a multi-terabyte multi-disk raid array that had a size >= the first raid array |
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| 03:46.41 | holycow | hi guys |
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| 03:46.59 | holycow | does anyone know the status of aircrack-ng on squeeze (amd64)? |
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| 03:47.23 | holycow | i cannot find it in the repos yet strangely find that it was in the pervious release and is in testing |
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| 03:47.49 | nvz | ,versions aircrack-ng |
| 03:47.50 | judd | Package: aircrack-ng on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.0~rc1-2 |
| 03:48.00 | nvz | o.O |
| 03:48.20 | joeoshawa | anyone here know how to change a jack to headphone out instead of mic in? I am using the alc883 sound chip and it sees my headphone as a mic input |
| 03:48.26 | holycow | huh |
| 03:49.29 | joeoshawa | apparently only lenny 32 bit has it |
| 03:49.30 | LordTrev | @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ |
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| 03:50.00 | nvz | holycow: b.d.o only shows it in lenny and sid |
| 03:50.08 | nvz | erm p.d.o |
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| 03:50.12 | LordTrev | Sorry |
| 03:50.25 | LordTrev | This plugin decided to send the output to a random channel |
| 03:50.26 | holycow | nvz: thanks for the confirmation, i was thinking i was going out of my mind |
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| 03:51.07 | nvz | holycow: it seems strange to me.. can't imagine why that is.. but being in sid means you should be able to do a ssb |
| 03:51.56 | holycow | *nod* thank you very much |
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| 03:53.55 | ztag100 | I need help setting up the wifi from CLI in debian |
| 03:55.00 | joeoshawa | i can try |
| 03:55.01 | holycow | ztag100: try wicd as a cli interface for wifi adapters |
| 03:55.09 | streuner_ | ztag100: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line |
| 03:55.28 | holycow | wicd-ncurses is the specific app you can use from cli |
| 03:55.32 | nvz | supposedly wicd has an ncurses frontend |
| 03:55.44 | ztag100 | ok |
| 03:55.48 | ztag100 | one sec |
| 03:55.59 | holycow | bbl thx for the confirmation |
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| 03:58.16 | ztag100 | looking at the link now |
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| 04:01.37 | josh9 | i have a server running on sftp://root@192.168.1.6:2222. can i use ssh to connect to it? |
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| 04:02.35 | hanasaki | what tool (html based?) will do admin of linux accounts in ldap? |
| 04:03.10 | flyinprogramer | to my knowledge sftp interacts with the ssh daemon to transfer files over an ssh connection -- assuming your account is configured to dump into a shell, you can ssh into it and receive a command line interface |
| 04:03.31 | flyinprogramer | i would try it with a tool such as putty |
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| 04:04.06 | Skorg | hi |
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| 04:05.03 | Skorg | ok |
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| 04:06.16 | flyinprogramer | what's up Skorg |
| 04:06.59 | Skorg | hi w up |
| 04:07.03 | flyinprogramer | hanasaki : to clarify, you're looking for a web based tool you could use to manage ldap ? |
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| 04:08.08 | flyinprogramer | hanasaki: have you looked at: http://phpldapadmin.sourceforge.net ? |
| 04:08.49 | Skorg | I am enthusiast debiana, the editor of the text |
| 04:08.52 | hanasaki | nope.. just getting started flyinprogramer. am looking at this now http://www.ldap-account-manager.org/ |
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| 04:09.56 | hanasaki | flyinprogramer: clarification : a tool - prefer with a web interface - manages all the ldap data for user accounts : CRUD add/delete etc ... email setup that exim and/or postfix can use... |
| 04:10.18 | Skorg | the happy new year |
| 04:10.32 | hanasaki | flyinprogramer: what do you program? |
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| 04:12.10 | edju | Ripped dvds to iso images. How to convert them to avi? Any pointers appreciated. |
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| 04:13.16 | flyinprogramer | hanasaki : yours looks prettier and phpLDAP looks buggy -- and i program web stuff to low-level xen hypervisor stuff |
| 04:14.02 | edju | Or mp4, even? |
| 04:14.51 | pksadiq | edju: xvidenc seems to a good commandline tool. Have not used yet though |
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| 04:16.29 | edju | pksadiq, not in the repos, though. |
| 04:16.58 | pksadiq | edju: http://xvidenc.sourceforge.net |
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| 04:19.47 | hanasaki | flyinprogramer: ie web gui to xen admin? |
| 04:21.28 | flyinprogramer | hanasaki : kinda, the xen stuff was a school project we did last semester, but i still find that stuff fun |
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| 04:25.19 | Jayro | Hello, I have asked in #alsa but no one seems to be around. Could anyone help me get alsa to work with my internal mic? I have a Sony Vaio netbook and am running debian stable. |
| 04:25.26 | hikenboot | is it possibleto get open-iscsi initiator to work with iscsitarget IEF implementation of ISCSI target? |
| 04:25.35 | hikenboot | on same debian system |
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| 04:26.31 | flyinprogramer | Jayro: have you tried an ubuntu live-cd ? see if it works there, use lspci to figure out what module it's using to work |
| 04:26.52 | hanasaki | flyinprogramer: I have switched a lot to kvm . flyinprogramer can I chat about the xen stuff in private w/ you? |
| 04:27.06 | flyinprogramer | hanasaki : all ears |
| 04:27.20 | hanasaki | zarafa is under a AGPLv3 license is this compatible w/ debian? |
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| 04:27.50 | Jayro | flyinprogramer, hmm.. i dont really want to bother with the ubuntu live cd... I have had it working before and all i had to do was specify the right module in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf, but i have no clue what i put in.. |
| 04:29.48 | hanasaki | Jayro: and flyinprogramer I use the buntu live and also knoppix a lot... now that ubuntu has a live CD not sure what knoppix has over it?.... any ideas? what is a good live CD based on pure debian? |
| 04:30.38 | crosswalk | When I send a 15 signal to a program I have running in the background it tells me the operation is not permitted, but terminates the program anyhow. What do? |
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| 04:34.58 | Jayro | can anyone offer me any suggestions on getting my mic working? |
| 04:35.01 | streuner_ | hanasaki: Knoppix or try grml |
| 04:35.11 | streuner_ | hanasaki: /msg dpkg grml |
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| 04:35.31 | flyinprogramer | hanasaki : i used ubunutu simply because their driver support seems to be premium over everyone else |
| 04:35.58 | flyinprogramer | as far as tools go, backtrack seems to be the best :P |
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| 04:36.26 | hanasaki | flyinprogramer: well the incorproation of nonfree helps w/ the drivers.. but I think that is not compatible w/ the debian approach |
| 04:36.34 | streuner_ | thought driver support is a kernel thingie, but anyway |
| 04:36.50 | flyinprogramer | well ok :P streuner_ |
| 04:36.54 | flyinprogramer | you know what i mean |
| 04:38.45 | hanasaki | streuner_: drivers are kernel many times.. sometimes a kernel loadable mod not compiled in but that makes little diff |
| 04:39.01 | hanasaki | streuner_: ex: the ATI drivers are not open source |
| 04:39.33 | flyinprogramer | thought streuner_ was poking fun at the fact that they're all kernel modules, and technically not drivers |
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| 04:40.45 | hanasaki | they are drivers. the implemenation arch is a module :) |
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| 04:43.27 | hanasaki | is there libreoffice in debian? or just openoffice |
| 04:43.49 | streuner_ | dpkg, libreoffice |
| 04:43.49 | dpkg | LibreOffice is a fork of <OpenOffice>. It is packaged in <testing> and <squeeze-backports>, replacing the OpenOffice.org packaging. http://www.libreoffice.org/ #documentfoundation on irc.freenode.net. Debian users will see little difference between the old OOo packages and LibreOffice, ask me about <debian ooo>. http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110623 |
| 04:43.51 | hanasaki | is AGPLv3 compatible with debian philosophy? |
| 04:44.09 | hanasaki | thanks |
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| 04:48.04 | handygandy | How can I tell which kernel module a program depends on? |
| 04:50.43 | nevyn | handygandy: what program? |
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| 04:54.00 | handygandy | blckid |
| 04:54.08 | handygandy | or is it blkid |
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| 05:01.19 | Jayro | How do i install the kernal sources? |
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| 05:02.16 | ztag100 | I was just trying to setup wifi from CLI |
| 05:02.21 | ztag100 | and on reboot |
| 05:02.25 | ztag100 | I am hanging on |
| 05:02.47 | ztag100 | [ 1893.048448] Starting new kernel |
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| 05:07.37 | rhenani | Hey guys how are you doing? |
| 05:08.02 | Vasistha | Jayro: there is a package, I think it's called linux-source or something, I'll check. Why do you need to? |
| 05:08.03 | rhenani | Hope very well in this Holydays |
| 05:08.12 | rhenani | I need some help |
| 05:08.22 | Vasistha | !tell rhenani about ask |
| 05:08.47 | rhenani | Trying to install adobe-reader-9.4-6.deb on my debian squeeze 64 bits' architecture |
| 05:09.24 | Vasistha | rhenani: where did you get that .deb ? I would recommend getting it from to debian-multimedia |
| 05:09.33 | Vasistha | s/to// |
| 05:09.48 | rhenani | I'm getting this error after doing dpkg -r: http://paste.debian.net/150441/ |
| 05:10.09 | rhenani | Vasistha: I got it on the oficial web site:http://get.adobe.com/reader/otherversions/ |
| 05:10.42 | Vasistha | rhenani: well, like I said, I would recommend getting it from debian-multimedia |
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| 05:11.01 | Vasistha | rhenani: you got the wrong package-- the one you got is for i386 not amd64 like you need |
| 05:11.14 | rhenani | sorry after doing dpkg -i not "-r" |
| 05:11.36 | rhenani | Vasistha: So I'm lookinf for an amd64 package |
| 05:11.45 | rhenani | but haven't got luck so far |
| 05:12.11 | Vasistha | rhenani: have you looked at debian-multimedia yet? This is the 3rd time I'm suggesting so |
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| 05:13.50 | Malsasa | Hello, Debian. |
| 05:14.07 | Malsasa | I have problem with programming in C. |
| 05:14.09 | Malsasa | Somebody can help me? |
| 05:15.36 | rhenani | Vasistha: Hey Vashita I'm checking at debian-multimedia.org as you told me, It's really cool because I chose amd64 for squeeze, and I found one call acroreader :/ |
| 05:15.52 | Vasistha | rhenani: well yeah. you should add it to your sources.list |
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| 05:17.34 | Vasistha | Malsasa: asking in ##c might be more productive, but anyway, you can ask here if you want, maybe someone will help |
| 05:18.23 | Malsasa | Vasista: thank you. |
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| 05:19.47 | rhenani | Vasistha: Sure I'm adding it, So let's see what's it like.. |
| 05:20.03 | Vasistha | rhenani: you'll probably need non-free on the line |
| 05:20.48 | rhenani | Vasistha: Because you know I have document viewer version 2.something.. and I got a pdf file couple days ago and It says that I needed a newer version of adobe reader to see that pdf file |
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| 05:21.15 | rhenani | Vasistha: I had it already |
| 05:21.22 | Malsasa | I want my program receive a complete sentence than print the sentence out to display. |
| 05:21.33 | Malsasa | I used scanf(). |
| 05:21.43 | Malsasa | But i feel something wrong with that., |
| 05:21.45 | Vasistha | rhenani: "document viewer"?? there may be another program in debian that can do what you want, without the security risks involved with adobe |
| 05:22.25 | Vasistha | Malsasa: definitely a question for ##c although there are also people in here who will know... but they won't necessarily be listening |
| 05:22.53 | Malsasa | Okay. |
| 05:23.01 | Malsasa | The channel is ##c, right? |
| 05:23.05 | Vasistha | yeah |
| 05:23.14 | Malsasa | In what server? |
| 05:23.20 | Malsasa | Freenode? |
| 05:23.21 | Vasistha | this one - freenode |
| 05:23.39 | Vasistha | if it was on a different server from the one we're speaking on I would say something ;) |
| 05:23.59 | Malsasa | i am using webchat.freenode.net |
| 05:24.02 | Malsasa | But i have tried to write: /join ##c |
| 05:24.15 | Malsasa | and there is no ##c channel appear. |
| 05:24.30 | Vasistha | Malsasa: hmm, never tried webchat, why don't you get yourself a real irc client? |
| 05:25.03 | Malsasa | Would you help me, Sir? |
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| 05:25.36 | Malsasa | Because my proxy doesn't allow user to use IRC Client :D |
| 05:25.46 | Malsasa | :) |
| 05:26.04 | Malsasa | So i am using firefox now. |
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| 05:28.16 | rhenani | Vasistha: I just got the new version of adobe reader 9.4.6, So nice man Thanks so much now i can go sleep cauze it's kind of late here |
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| 05:28.47 | enveeee | I just signed in to webchat, /j ##c works for me |
| 05:29.04 | ztag100 | works for me too on irssi |
| 05:29.12 | nvz | Malsasa: you are using webchat.freenode.net yes? |
| 05:29.25 | ztag100 | try /join ##c |
| 05:29.54 | ztag100 | or just type "/j c |
| 05:30.03 | ztag100 | it works |
| 05:30.05 | ztag100 | no quotes |
| 05:30.10 | ztag100 | ./j c |
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| 05:30.25 | enveeee | that works as well on webchat.freenode.net |
| 05:30.46 | Jayro | Someone help me get alsa to work with my internal mic on my sony vaio netbook. I have tried everything.. |
| 05:31.38 | Jayro | anyone? |
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| 05:32.31 | flyinprogramer | jayro - you haven't tried ubuntu yet -- so "everything" isn't true |
| 05:32.48 | Jayro | flyinprogramer, i have no way to boot the live cd. |
| 05:33.00 | flyinprogramer | you have no access to a usb key? |
| 05:33.06 | flyinprogramer | or a cd or a dvd that you can burn |
| 05:33.11 | flyinprogramer | but you have the internet... |
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| 05:33.18 | Jayro | flyinprogramer, no.. all i gave is my netbook |
| 05:33.21 | Jayro | have* |
| 05:33.26 | flyinprogramer | ok - so get a usb key |
| 05:33.29 | flyinprogramer | build a usb disk |
| 05:33.41 | flyinprogramer | go look at lspci and their alsa config |
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| 05:34.08 | Jayro | flyinprogramer, k..... ill try to find one |
| 05:34.15 | flyinprogramer | http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 05:34.24 | flyinprogramer | it will hold your hand |
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| 05:35.00 | dnewbie | I get this when I did apt-get update: http://pastebin.com/5u9qHEwM |
| 05:35.04 | dnewbie | what's wrong with it? |
| 05:36.03 | Jayro | flyinprogramer, i can dd the image to a usb key.. |
| 05:36.13 | Jayro | downloading it now.. |
| 05:36.29 | dnewbie | And I added this is sources.list http://pastebin.com/4kDQSNBZ |
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| 05:41.05 | zykotick9 | dnewbie: notice the two "n"s in mainn? |
| 05:42.39 | dnewbie | zykotick9: o ur right, let me corrected that and try again |
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| 05:46.17 | dnewbie | zykotick9: Then I run apt-get install -t squeeze-backports linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64, running fine then stuck with this block of message http://pastebin.com/JWfyEuFJ |
| 05:46.55 | zykotick9 | dnewbie: that's an information message - press Q i think |
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| 05:48.10 | dnewbie | zykotick9: thanks i'm trying that out |
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| 05:52.36 | Leoneof | zykotick9, dnewbie , i can't find in the official website this line "deb-src http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main" |
| 05:52.47 | Leoneof | http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 05:54.10 | dnewbie | zykotick9: thanks it works now, press Q meant what actually? |
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| 05:54.29 | zykotick9 | Leoneof: maybe backports doesn't have a src repo? |
| 05:54.39 | zykotick9 | dnewbie: quit :) |
| 05:54.40 | Leoneof | no idea |
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| 05:55.28 | zykotick9 | Leoneof: so use deb instead of deb-src |
| 05:55.58 | dnewbie | zykotick9: I press ctrl C previously, nothing happened. Ctr C terminted the process I supose |
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| 05:58.04 | dnewbie | Updating the kernel actually helped to solve a screen display problem i encountered previously |
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| 06:00.30 | Leoneof | zykotick9: why i have to use deb instead of deb-src ? |
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| 06:01.19 | flyinprogramer | peacin' out |
| 06:03.31 | zykotick9 | Leoneof: why do you want deb-src? it doesn't appear that backports uses a source repository, thus you need to follow the instructions and add a regular deb (binary) entry. |
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| 06:11.14 | Leoneof | oh i see |
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| 06:29.13 | ztag100 | Can anyone help me setup wifi from CLI? It works if I have gnome running in the background |
| 06:29.28 | ztag100 | Its driving me crazy |
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| 06:33.50 | ompaul | if you had waited oh well http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 06:39.19 | award85 | actually, thanks ompaul, that may come in handy for me later ;D |
| 06:39.34 | ompaul | award85: good :) |
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| 06:40.40 | ompaul | he turned up on oftc so he gets it anyway award85 please be aware that removing network manager may make your life easier if you have your details from the bottom part (read about /etc/network/interfaces down toward the end with the wpa part) |
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| 06:41.30 | award85 | oh, well I wouldn't use NetworkManager anyway. I'm trying to keep away from GUI where I can |
| 06:42.13 | somiaj | wicd has a cli-ncurses interface if you wanted a newtowrk manager type tool |
| 06:42.15 | phiscribe | ceni is my fav cli net manager, too bad its not in deb repo's |
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| 06:42.54 | HermanDE | Anybody know how to hide specific printers that are shared from a cups server? |
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| 06:48.45 | nvz | I could kinda use a means of insuring multi-file torrents download in a logical way. Now transmission which I use has a priority setting but it doesnt quite work "high" priority to me means make sure you download this before anything else, to transmission however it just means I'll download this before anything else unless I have more sources that have other parts. |
| 06:49.29 | nvz | what I do to resolve this is only download a few parts at a time but I have to keep going in and changing which parts I'm downloading and their priority, anyone know of a better method or a client that is scriptable before I consider building my own? |
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| 06:54.13 | Dagger3 | I'm assuming here, but its high priority probably does the sensible thing... there's no sense in turning away peers that just don't happen to have any high priority parts |
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| 06:55.12 | Dagger3 | i.e. it probably downloads the highest priority parts it can from each peer, and if a given peer doesn't have any "high" priority parts then it ends up getting "normal" priority ones instead |
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| 06:57.56 | Leoneof | hello, i've upgraded the kernel by using this : sudo apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae |
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| 06:58.28 | Leoneof | but after restart i get black screen, any idea? |
| 06:59.06 | nvz | yeah well lets use a simple example if I have a sequential data 1, 2, 3, set to priority high, normal, low respectively often I will notice 1 is nearly complete and the others are catching up.. if I unselect them for download I wind up getting 1 in a few seconds rather than in an hour so the priority doesnt seem to be very sensible to me |
| 06:59.44 | nvz | maybe I should look at the damn source first, but I'm thinking of maybe just hacing a script that uses the remote control API of the client to do what I do to make it work automatically |
| 07:00.36 | Dagger3 | mm... perhaps it tries to avoid requesting the same piece from multiple peers (unless it has no other pieces available to request) |
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| 07:01.08 | nvz | probably.. no telling without looking at the source I guess |
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| 07:04.00 | nvz | I should probably just stop using transmission though and find something with less bloat so that when I wanna dig into the source I dont have all that shit to sift through |
| 07:04.34 | nvz | C isnt really my thing to begin with, and with all the damn libs and features of that client it would take me way too long to even find something in that source much less change it |
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| 07:08.56 | handygandy | What kernel modules are need for sata drives to be visible ( ie under normal boot conditions appropriate /dev/sda* entries are created )? |
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| 07:12.19 | somiaj | handygandy: depends on the sata controler, ahci is a common module for many contolers. (it uses libata) |
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| 07:23.00 | jhujhiti | i'm having a dependency problem. selinux depends on grub-pc, but i need to use grub. i was thinking i could create a dummy package to provide grub-pc, but i can't because grub conflicts with grub-pc. is there any way around this, short of creating new selinux packages? |
| 07:23.46 | somiaj | jhujhiti: what version of debian? |
| 07:24.08 | jhujhiti | it's actually ubuntu 11.10, but the ubuntu irc channel is fairly useless in my experience |
| 07:24.19 | jhujhiti | i guess you could call it wheezy |
| 07:24.26 | dwfreed | jhujhiti: you'll have ask them; we don't provide help for Ubuntu |
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| 07:24.43 | jhujhiti | it's a debian package |
| 07:24.52 | dwfreed | !ubuntu |
| 07:24.52 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 07:25.03 | jhujhiti | there are no ubuntu modifications to these packages |
| 07:25.21 | jhujhiti | and more to the point, i'm asking a dpkg question |
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| 07:27.43 | somiaj | dependnecy issues are a build question for the group that builds the packages. |
| 07:28.04 | somiaj | doing a quick look I don't see debian's squeeze selinux packages dependent on grub. |
| 07:30.02 | jhujhiti | huh -- so ubuntu does have strange selinux packages... |
| 07:30.09 | jhujhiti | in any event, it's not an selinux question |
| 07:30.26 | jhujhiti | the question is how do i hack-satisfy a dependency? |
| 07:30.31 | dwfreed | It's still a ubuntu question |
| 07:30.46 | ompaul | judd: you ask in #ubuntu |
| 07:31.00 | ompaul | woooo |
| 07:31.02 | dwfreed | s/udd/hujhiti/ |
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| 07:31.12 | ompaul | aye |
| 07:31.20 | ompaul | jhujhiti: you ask in #ubuntu |
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| 07:37.43 | jhujhiti | right, so the word ubuntu came out and #debian immeditately refuses to help, even though it's a dpkg question, nothing ubuntu-specific |
| 07:38.07 | jhujhiti | why do so many open source developers get a bad name again? |
| 07:38.26 | dwfreed | Doesn't matter, it could be ubuntu-specific, as evidenced by the fact that ubuntu's selinux depends on grub-pc |
| 07:38.40 | jhujhiti | go reread my question |
| 07:38.54 | jhujhiti | i asked how to fake-satisfy a dependency |
| 07:39.08 | jhujhiti | i didn't ask how to install selinux. i could have called it package x |
| 07:40.27 | ompaul | jhujhiti: why won't you you ask in #ubuntu we're not going to entertain or be entertained by you :) |
| 07:41.44 | Vasistha | jhujhiti: if you want to read about how to create debian packages, you can check out the packaging section here: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMentorsFaq |
| 07:42.13 | Vasistha | jhujhiti: creating debian packages is not all that easy. Debian users don't usually have to do it because our system is much more solid than ubuntu. |
| 07:42.31 | pksadiq | jhujhiti: somebody said that debian selinux don't depends on grub-pc or something like that, if so try to install the debian package manually, but this may *break* your system |
| 07:42.59 | jhujhiti | Vasistha: i've created a dummy package, but the original package i'm trying to install's dep that i need to satisfy CONFLICTS with my PROVIDES in my dummy, so it's still broken |
| 07:43.06 | Vasistha | jhujhiti: so that's why your question is still rather off-topic. You're asking to do something that debian users don't usually need to do because our system just works better. |
| 07:43.46 | Vasistha | jhujhiti: anyway, if you really want help creating packages, wander over to #debian-mentors on oftc, but I don't know if they'll actually help you there either. |
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| 07:44.13 | ompaul | they'll offer him #ubuntu on freenode so thats a bad idea :) |
| 07:44.24 | Vasistha | yeah, as they should, honestly. |
| 07:44.44 | Vasistha | the entire problem is created by ubuntu's bad dependency policy |
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| 07:44.59 | ompaul | jhujhiti: so get yourself a squeeze netinstall cd and install debian the problem should go away |
| 07:45.18 | jhujhiti | yes, i realize that my immediate problem is caused by yet another shitty ubuntu packaging |
| 07:45.23 | ompaul | you're in a blues bar looking for line dancing |
| 07:45.36 | Vasistha | jhujhiti: see, the thing which makes debian so good is its dependency POLICY. ubuntu's policies are not anywhere near as strictly enforced, so you get all kinds of problems that most debian users don't have any experience solving-- so you need to ask #ubuntu |
| 07:46.32 | jhujhiti | this is still a question about debian's dependency system. i realize that i may have, by chance, chosen a package that doesn't have this issue in debian |
| 07:47.30 | ompaul | jhujhiti: are you going to #ubuntu or are you going to stay here in your quasi troll mode? |
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| 07:47.48 | jhujhiti | ompaul: do you honestly think i'm going to get an answer in #ubuntu? |
| 07:48.00 | dwfreed | Well, you won't get one here |
| 07:48.05 | Vasistha | jhujhiti: do you honestly think you're going to get an answer here? |
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| 07:48.31 | jhujhiti | this is why i stopped using IRC years ago. thanks for the reminder. you've all been very helpful |
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| 07:49.07 | ompaul | well I'd have said civil but there you go |
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| 07:51.16 | Vasistha | I mean his question from the very beginning was fraught with misunderstanding-- he wants to use grub, but selinux depends on grub-pc ... there's not really a way around that!! If selinux requires grub-pc to boot properly, then any simple-minded workaround is going to break selinux, right??? |
| 07:51.25 | pksadiq | This is what the difference I see between {#,}debian and {#,}ubuntu. The talks of every here feels somewhat rude, but #ubuntu has somwhat fair language, atleast better than here |
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| 07:57.19 | Vasistha | pksadiq: it's a mixture of things, I'm sure. There's a history of curtness in this chan, coming from experienced, expert users who are not so patient. And there's also a moderate amount of community frustration with ubuntu people (and others) coming here for help. I wish this place was more polite; at the same time, it's can be very frustrating when people seek help in the wrong place |
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| 07:58.58 | pksadiq | Vasistha: for a ubuntu user this channel seem not much polite, I'm actually a ubuntu user, and willing to move to unstalbe debian. And I'm here to learn something about this channel :) |
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| 08:01.21 | ompaul | pksadiq: that being said get a netinstall debian cd of stable put in a base system of kde or gnome or whatever you like change sources to the shorter version and get on with the fun noting that you should have a look in #debian-next on oftc (not here does not exist nor will it from what I can see) |
| 08:02.20 | Vasistha | pksadiq: well we get a lot of people asking for help in here. I'm not sure what's wrong with #ubuntu, perhaps it is a very polite place but I guess it is not very helpful to a lot of people. I think #debian is very helpful, perhaps less polite. We can get rather curt with people who try to ask for help with debian-based systems though. |
| 08:02.36 | Vasistha | pksadiq: anyway, why unstable? Why not just use debian stable? It's much easier |
| 08:02.58 | ompaul | you can use backports if you want some of the shiny stuff |
| 08:03.07 | ompaul | all very simple :) |
| 08:03.42 | pksadiq | Vasistha: I require latest packages, . as I have dailup, I paln todownload the dvd iso from my college |
| 08:03.53 | ompaul | pksadiq: if you are going to make the jump can I take it you have more than one machine so you can download stuff and stick it on a stick or disk if you find you want firmware half way though the install |
| 08:04.02 | Vasistha | pksadiq: latest packages like what? |
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| 08:04.15 | ompaul | pksadiq: why "require" and what is it you "require" |
| 08:04.20 | pksadiq | Vasistha: like gnome-* luatex* mono* etc |
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| 08:05.31 | Vasistha | yeah... what's so important about having the latest gnome? |
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| 08:07.01 | pksadiq | Vasistha: I have the old one already with me, but just 2x, and once I install I won't have any updates with in next 1 year or more. so I require the latest stuff, also I require some features of luatex available only in latest releases |
| 08:10.11 | Vasistha | pksadiq: well it may be possible to do a simple sid backport of luatex. As for gnome, I would recommend just sticking with gnome 2x for a year on debian stable. It's a little frustrating to know that there is something newer out there but it is soooo nice to have a stable system that does not break. |
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| 08:12.17 | pksadiq | Vasistha: I don't bother whether it is broken or not, I'm now just using console in ubuntu and a very few time I switch to gdm. |
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| 08:13.33 | Vasistha | pksadiq: well if you are mostly using the console, then it would seem really unnecessary to have the newest gnome |
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| 08:14.49 | pksadiq | Vasistha: I use it because I have the old one along with the worst nVidia, and I don't how the new gnome is :) |
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| 08:16.16 | shellox | hey, how to force grub to boot from the second disc in a raid if 1 disk is crashed? |
| 08:17.15 | shellox | here is my grub.cfg http://pastebin.com/q7UG9ZRB |
| 08:17.25 | shellox | i also did a grub-install /dev/sdb |
| 08:17.37 | shellox | so that the bootloader is on both disks |
| 08:17.39 | worfox | bg |
| 08:18.09 | dwfreed | shellox: tell your bios to boot the second disk |
| 08:19.03 | shellox | dwfreed: i disconnected all other disks, so it have to boot the right one. The grub screen appeared for one second and the machine rebooted |
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| 08:19.53 | shellox | the stupid thing is that it work with HDD1 connected and HDD2 disconnected, but not with HDD2 connected and HDD1 disconnected |
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| 08:23.06 | shellox | dwfreed: set root='(md/0)' is also in the grub.cfg |
| 08:23.19 | shellox | so it should work..normally |
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| 08:28.51 | rjcks | which libreoffice package opens *.xls ? |
| 08:29.24 | Vasistha | rjcks: hmm OOo calls it "calc" maybe libreoffice uses the same names? |
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| 08:50.41 | Vasistha | jnewt: do you have a record of the commands you typed in order to create the partition and file system? |
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| 08:53.24 | yuler | what hwinfo options / pipes queries the manu/model of the video card / monitor? |
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| 08:56.49 | jnewt | Vasistha: http://pastie.org/3089115 |
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| 08:57.25 | Vasistha | !tell yuler about whats my hardware |
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| 08:58.09 | jnewt | does that work? |
| 08:58.27 | yuler | thanks |
| 08:58.40 | Vasistha | jnewt: I usually use cfdisk, it's much easier than fdisk, but of course fdisk has much more useful debugging output |
| 08:59.24 | jnewt | i never learned of cfdisk, heard of it, but never needed it, i'm pretty sure the fdisk part is right, maybe the mkfs is incorrect? |
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| 09:00.55 | Vasistha | jnewt: well, aside from the fact that you have an erroneous -t flag in your mkfs I think it all looks proper |
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| 09:01.32 | Vasistha | jnewt: although wait a second. maybe it used ext2 because of that -t |
| 09:01.43 | Vasistha | jnewt: why don't you do your mkfs.ext3 again without the -t |
| 09:02.55 | jnewt | i thought the -t forced the ext3 type onto the selected partition, b/c ext2 is the default, but maybe i'm wrong, i'll check man and retry |
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| 09:03.32 | Vasistha | jnewt: -t needs to be followed by the fstype, so you would have needed "-t ext3" but you used "mkfs.ext3" as opposed to just "mkfs" which would necessitate a -t param |
| 09:03.34 | alex88 | hi guys, where i can find the mysql cluster package? |
| 09:04.06 | Vasistha | jnewt: even though you used mkfs.ext3, the fact that you specified a -t with no param probably made it think you wanted mkfs.ext2 |
| 09:04.27 | Vasistha | jnewt: ....because it doesn't actually say it created a journal. You can try mounting it as ext2 and see what it says |
| 09:04.48 | Vasistha | alex88: cluster... as in... for a cluster of computers? |
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| 09:05.18 | alex88 | Vasistha: yup, i cannot find the init scripts mysql-ndb and mysql-ndb-mgm |
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| 09:06.53 | alex88 | for the guide i'm following it should be there after installing mysql-server..but it's not |
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| 09:07.49 | levi501d | url to the guide? |
| 09:07.58 | alex88 | levi501d: http://www.tuxlanding.net/install-mysql-cluster-on-debian/ |
| 09:08.14 | alex88 | in ubuntu there is mysql-cluster-server package.. |
| 09:08.58 | levi501d | why not install mysql-cluster-server-5.1 |
| 09:09.00 | levi501d | yeah |
| 09:09.18 | alex88 | levi501d: no package..i'm using default openvz debian 6 template |
| 09:09.31 | levi501d | ohh |
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| 09:09.45 | alex88 | i have http://ftp.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free and http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates main contrib non-free as repo |
| 09:09.51 | oeop | i am having a issue with lvm + open iscsi on squeeze, for some reason the vgchange -a y command does not run when the machine comes up |
| 09:10.10 | alex88 | levi501d: should i add some repo? |
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| 09:11.05 | valdyn | oeop: ls -l /etc/rcS.d/*lvm* |
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| 09:12.08 | alex88 | levi501d: as i can see there is no such package http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=squeeze&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=mysql-server |
| 09:12.24 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:12.25 | levi501d | i just did apt-cache search | grep mysql |
| 09:12.27 | Vasistha | !why is mysql-cluster-server not in debian |
| 09:12.27 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, Vasistha |
| 09:12.35 | levi501d | i just did apt-cache search ndb | grep mysql |
| 09:12.49 | levi501d | and i get the cluster server package on one of my servers |
| 09:13.00 | levi501d | its on linode so its xen, and its debian squeeze |
| 09:13.03 | Vasistha | alex88: this is not very encouraging: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=585877 |
| 09:13.04 | nsadmin | !why is mysql-cluster-server not in testing |
| 09:13.04 | dpkg | mysql-cluster-server is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=mysql-cluster-server |
| 09:14.33 | alex88 | so no more mysql-cluster community version? |
| 09:15.10 | alex88 | it's there also on the ubuntu latest version.. :/ |
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| 09:18.33 | Vasistha | alex88: looks like mysql-cluster needs a debian maintainer to adopt it: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=560244 |
| 09:19.50 | alex88 | Vasistha: yeah seems so..well i'm downloading the tgz from mysql site..i'll try with that |
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| 09:20.39 | nsadmin | !why is fake-package-named-mysql-cluster-server not in testing |
| 09:20.39 | dpkg | fake-package-named-mysql-cluster-server is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=fake-package-named-mysql-cluster-server |
| 09:25.05 | nsadmin | so... that factoid rule thing doesn't actually check the package archive |
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| 09:27.41 | levi501d | alex88: here is a link for compiling from source and building from there http://bit.ly/tZzplL |
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| 09:29.07 | alex88 | levi501d: uh, thank you very much! |
| 09:29.42 | levi501d | no prob |
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| 09:38.30 | jmd | I have a problem booting. The nfs service depends upon bind. So bind (correctly) starts first. However, it doesn't finish initialising before nfs starts. Thus, the nfs daemon fails to boot up properly. How can I make nfs wait until bind is completely initialised? |
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| 09:41.28 | somiaj | jmd: you can put depends in the LSB headers |
| 09:41.43 | somiaj | http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
| 09:41.59 | somiaj | I guess they call it Required-Start |
| 09:42.21 | alex88 | levi501d: a tip, following that guide on configure it says, This version of MySQL Cluster is no longer maintained, when downloading 5.1 server..should i use mysql-cluster-gpl-7.2.1-linux2.6-x86_64.tar.gz? |
| 09:42.58 | dr-evil | somiaj: +1 ) |
| 09:43.09 | dr-evil | jmd: why nfs depends on bind? |
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| 10:01.01 | tawtaw | i am still having LVM+iSCSI issues, it seems like my logs are just saying that there are no physical volumes (but there are) after the machine has booted i can run vgchange -a y that works fine, but it is not able to find my volumes while booting up. why is that? |
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| 10:03.22 | valdyn | tawtaw: look up the order in which lvm is started vs when iSCSI devices are brought up |
| 10:04.03 | tawtaw | valdyn: the issue seems to be that when my machine boots up it cannot find the volumes, i dont think it has to do with iscsi at this stage |
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| 10:04.58 | tawtaw | valdyn: also could you tell me a easy way to find the information you are requesting for? i only know how to list the /etc/rc0.d folders |
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| 10:05.49 | valdyn | tawtaw: those contain the order |
| 10:05.54 | tawtaw | lvm is S06 and iscsi is S20 |
| 10:05.59 | valdyn | tawtaw: lvm is in rcS.d |
| 10:06.13 | valdyn | tawtaw: so thats pretty obvious, no? lvm is started *before* iscsi |
| 10:06.23 | AL13N | can anyone tell me about this libreadline-gplv2-dev package? is it a readline5 which debian maintains with current patches/fixes? |
| 10:06.24 | tawtaw | it should be started before |
| 10:06.33 | AL13N | who is the upstream for that? |
| 10:06.44 | tawtaw | valdyn: i was just wondering if there was a fancy script like 'show-me-the-startup order.sh |
| 10:06.59 | valdyn | tawtaw: how can lvm find the volumes of lvm starts before iscsi? |
| 10:07.37 | tawtaw | valdyn: i see your argument |
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| 10:08.11 | valdyn | tawtaw: i dont really know what iscsi is, i assume its one storage layer providing block devices to lvm |
| 10:08.25 | tawtaw | valdyn: it is |
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| 10:09.08 | valdyn | tawtaw: add another lvm startup link after S20 but i wouldnt remove the S06lvm just yet |
| 10:09.57 | valdyn | tawtaw: ( unless you are using lvm only on iscsi ) |
| 10:10.26 | tawtaw | i am not :) my root partition is sda |
| 10:10.40 | tawtaw | i just made the changes you suggested and i will try a reboot |
| 10:10.41 | valdyn | tawtaw: is insserv installed? |
| 10:10.58 | tawtaw | i dont think so, i never heard of 'insserv' |
| 10:11.08 | valdyn | tawtaw: dont think, look it up |
| 10:11.17 | tawtaw | (machine is rebooting, i will asap) |
| 10:12.54 | arjun_ | Which is the best CHM viewer for GNOME? |
| 10:13.11 | shellox | how is your swap configured on your system with raid 1? |
| 10:13.48 | valdyn | !polls |
| 10:13.49 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
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| 10:14.10 | pksadiq | arjun_: nothing as best, chmsee is one. |
| 10:14.26 | tawtaw | root |
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| 10:15.17 | tawtaw | valdyn: hehe it kinda worked, but mount did not like it, and caused my bootup to enter recoverymode |
| 10:15.30 | shellox | the swap shouldnt be part of the raid1. but how to configure it then? 4 GB swap on sda and 4 GB swap on sdb? |
| 10:15.36 | tawtaw | but at the end of the bootup i do have volumegroup |
| 10:15.41 | valdyn | tawtaw: ok, my fault |
| 10:15.50 | valdyn | tawtaw: mount is obviously before that 20 |
| 10:16.58 | valdyn | tawtaw: dont change multiple links if you can |
| 10:16.59 | tawtaw | dont think this is working, the lvm groups hang when i reboot, and i still have to run vgchange -a y, but i can see the volumegroups (its not generating a error like before) |
| 10:17.05 | tawtaw | i wont :) |
| 10:17.30 | tawtaw | strange that a basic thing like this is causing issues on a stable version of debian, not had this happen before |
| 10:17.54 | dr-evil | shellox: why not? let it be 2 swaps :) |
| 10:18.10 | valdyn | shellox: why should it not be part of the raid1 ? |
| 10:18.32 | shellox | dunno, it doesnt make much sense no? |
| 10:18.57 | valdyn | shellox: even a fast swap does not make swapping bearable |
| 10:19.20 | valdyn | shellox: but a broken swap partition will shut down your system |
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| 10:19.50 | valdyn | shellox: so i dont think this is a clear cut issue. There's a point in having raid1 swap |
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| 10:22.22 | QUICKSTRE | FILM STREAMING! http://quickstream.altervista.org/ |
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| 10:24.27 | spowers | Is there a way I can get a list of packages that depend on a given package? |
| 10:24.44 | spowers | like to list reverse-deps |
| 10:24.55 | valdyn | spowers: man apt-rdepends |
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| 10:25.19 | streuner_ | dpkg, rdepends |
| 10:25.20 | dpkg | it has been said that rdepends is apt-cache rdepends foo; shows you what depends on foo |
| 10:25.39 | streuner_ | dpkg, factinfo rdepends |
| 10:25.40 | dpkg | rdepends -- created by Guerin <n=lewis@121-73-1-241.cable.telstraclear.net> at Sun Aug 5 00:06:17 2007 (1607 days); it has been requested 29 times, last by streuner_, 20s ago. |
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| 10:26.41 | shellox | i have now 100 mb for /boot, 8gb for swap, the rest is a lvm |
| 10:26.55 | shellox | guess thats ok |
| 10:27.31 | macrobat | that's a lot of swap :D |
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| 10:27.48 | shellox | mhh? |
| 10:27.59 | shellox | i thought so much swap as ram? |
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| 10:28.21 | stockholm | yes, its what i use, too |
| 10:28.28 | stockholm | you can have less, too |
| 10:28.42 | valdyn | shellox: you dont need swap at all |
| 10:28.51 | valdyn | shellox: but you can use swap |
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| 10:29.31 | somiaj | its useful to have at least ram size for swap if you want to hibernate the system. |
| 10:30.27 | stockholm | somiaj: i think stuff is compressed when hibernated |
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| 10:30.54 | macrobat | how do I make hibernation use all of the the swap it needs? isn't there a limit somewhere that like sets it to 512M by default? |
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| 10:31.01 | shellox | ok, the rest is a lvm, with one volume group and one volume. thats used for / then. Looks not so bad :P |
| 10:31.04 | stockholm | but then you might need to have space taken up by the swap-ed out data |
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| 10:31.44 | tawtaw | valdyn: ok so networking => open-iscsi => lvm2 :) if i start everything in that order it works fine. problem is that this interferes with the mountall scripts... not sure how to do this properly |
| 10:32.36 | jubo2 | So is there like a recommended WM urr sumting ..? |
| 10:32.47 | macrobat | is there a point using lvm with just one volume? |
| 10:33.12 | jubo2 | I can't decide. Maybe I buy lot of memory sticks and try all WMs to see what is best |
| 10:33.38 | shellox | jubo2: did this too a while ago :P |
| 10:33.59 | macrobat | why would you need extra memory sticks for WMs? |
| 10:34.14 | shellox | i mean tested all wm's not memory sticks ;) |
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| 10:34.44 | jubo2 | Kubuntu is perhaps a little less buggy then Xubuntu.. then it was kindly explained to me that the [x|k|l]ubuntue maximize something completely else then stability and reliability .. |
| 10:35.07 | shellox | i ended with os x at least :P |
| 10:35.09 | macrobat | !ubuntu |
| 10:35.10 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 10:35.14 | jubo2 | I can has working Compiz with all Compiz Candy with Debian yes ? |
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| 10:35.53 | jubo2 | the less buggy may be from more users which results likely in more people actually bothering to file bugs |
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| 10:37.03 | jubo2 | I want the 3D-cube view to make OS Xers and WIndoozes green with envy |
| 10:37.22 | shellox | i heard linux mint is the newest trend since they patched the gnome 3 disaster to let it look retro. |
| 10:37.33 | jubo2 | I want the works. I'm dissappointed how buggy Xubuntu and Kubuntu were.. I'm in the right place now ? |
| 10:37.54 | shellox | #eye-candy is the right place to go ;) |
| 10:38.05 | jubo2 | I want both |
| 10:38.07 | somiaj | jubo2: http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz -- You can get that in debian and squeeze, but it will be gnome2, which isn't as buggy as gnome3 at this time. |
| 10:38.09 | pksadiq | jubo2: works well in debian too, and the bugs filed with ubuntu are most probably fixed in upstream too(debain) |
| 10:38.12 | jubo2 | I want both stability and candy |
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| 10:39.10 | shellox | maybe gentoo or linux from scratch then? |
| 10:39.31 | somiaj | squeeze should have both, it just won't have the newest eyecandy out there. But you can get compiz working just fine in squeeze. |
| 10:39.34 | PerfDave | Ahahahaa gentoo and stability. Anyway, not sure this channel is the best place for distro debates. |
| 10:40.07 | shellox | PerfDave: I never understand the flamewar between the distros. Whats wrong to compare things? |
| 10:40.11 | Zaraphrax | Has anybody managed to get the proprietary nvidia drivers to work with DKMS on stable with a vanilla kernel 3.1.6? |
| 10:40.32 | jubo2 | I'm on Kubuntu now where the soundz don't work in the irczorwebzorz .. *g* |
| 10:40.56 | PerfDave | shellox: This is a channel for Debian-related questions and support. |
| 10:41.10 | PerfDave | I've never seen a distro debate that was actually well-informed and produced usefil information ;) |
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| 10:41.30 | jubo2 | I can "pre-listen" the sound it should play and have checked all the correct checkboxes but ( usually ) no sounds |
| 10:41.38 | jubo2 | it was the same in Xubuntu |
| 10:42.10 | PerfDave | jubo2: That's not a question for #debian :) |
| 10:42.32 | jubo2 | so I can has working Compiz and _reliable_ and stabile OS yes ..? Which WM should I take to have Compiz work well with ( instead ? ) of it.. |
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| 10:42.53 | AL13N | can anyone tell me about this libreadline-gplv2-dev package? is it a readline5 which debian maintains with current patches/fixes? who is the upstream for this package? |
| 10:43.38 | shellox | _never_ saw compiz running stable on any system, the best version I got was on gentoo after a lot of work |
| 10:43.48 | shellox | maybe compiz is the problem, not the distros :P |
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| 10:44.14 | pksadiq | shellox: there are, like elive, but not much good distro, |
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| 10:44.47 | jubo2 | so Linux Mint would not be possible without Ubuntu and that would not be possible without Debian so big thanks to all the great work put in by the upstream ppls |
| 10:45.27 | shellox | Linux Mint would be possible w/o ubuntu no? |
| 10:45.37 | bzed | jubo2: one coudl be evil and say that they could well live without ubuntu but not without debian ;) |
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| 10:46.36 | shellox | the linux mint site says there is "linux mint debian" |
| 10:46.39 | jubo2 | bzed: So I gather that with Debian I get maximal customization freedoms yes no ? |
| 10:46.42 | nevyn | s/evil/truthful/g |
| 10:46.43 | macrobat | I think we are sufficiently derailed now |
| 10:46.47 | shellox | and it couldn't get more unstable than with ubuntu ;) |
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| 10:47.24 | PerfDave | jubo2: What do you mean by "maximal customization freedoms"? |
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| 10:47.28 | bzed | jubo2: debian and ubuntu are both open source, so you have the maximal freedom already. although ubuntu might install some proprietary stuff automatically, so this might not apply completely |
| 10:47.56 | jubo2 | with Ubuntu I get the works pre-configured to provide a out-of-box experience that competes with OS X, but really I want _reliability_, stability and Compiz and soudz in teh ircwebzorz |
| 10:47.56 | shellox | PerfDave: he mean linux from scratch |
| 10:48.10 | macrobat | :( |
| 10:48.22 | jubo2 | gets out the gcc |
| 10:48.27 | jubo2 | kiddin' kiddin' |
| 10:48.36 | PerfDave | No, Debian isn't Linux from scrach, or a source-based distro like Gentoy. |
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| 10:49.19 | pksadiq | debian calls itself as GNU/Linux and free software, but all here calls it here as Linux and open source :( |
| 10:49.19 | shellox | PerfDave: ah, but LFS is maximal customization ;) |
| 10:49.33 | jubo2 | Can I has visual app management in Debian..? Can I get non-free stuff like flash-player etc. installed on Debian ? |
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| 10:49.49 | jubo2 | I mean to not use aptitude but some GUI .. |
| 10:49.54 | dr-evil | jubo2: u can |
| 10:50.10 | shellox | synaptic? |
| 10:50.14 | mosno | jubo2: perhaps there is or one day will be a distro that is pure debian but configured for the OOTB experience you're after |
| 10:50.50 | mosno | jubo2: in the meantime, you have to put in the time to customise debian to your liking... or pay someone to do it |
| 10:50.56 | PerfDave | jubo2: It is possible to install proprietaryu software on Debian if you must :/ |
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| 10:51.32 | jubo2 | mosno: I don't mind going through configuration files if I just can have STABLE and RELIABLE and COMPIZ and SOUNDZ in teh IRCWEBZORZ |
| 10:52.23 | mosno | jubo2: nothing's perfect |
| 10:52.25 | jubo2 | It's just plain stupid to not get an audio-signal when username is stalked |
| 10:52.39 | shellox | mosno: steve said OS X is ;) |
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| 10:53.11 | jubo2 | mosno: free as in beer and not sandboxed in in a sandbox far far away.. |
| 10:53.49 | PerfDave | jubo2: Why don't you try installing Debian and seeing how you get on? You'r enot asking abny useful questions. |
| 10:53.55 | jubo2 | oops. error. error. |
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| 10:55.28 | jubo2 | 'k I rest my chat. GNU/Linuxen will always score astronomical on the "value-for-money" meter |
| 10:55.38 | jubo2 | tnk to teh devels |
| 10:55.54 | arjun_ | I'm unable to install gnochm. I'm getting this message: python-gtkhtml2 : Depends: python (< 2.6) but 2.6.6-3+squeeze6 is to be installed. |
| 10:56.47 | arjun_ | How will I install it? |
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| 10:58.15 | PerfDave | arjun_: Have you done an "aptitude update" before install? |
| 10:59.30 | Cain | PerfDave, svndr, thewanderer1, simonlnu : thx guys, the grep -r trick save my life yesterday (i found the bios password !) ^^ |
| 10:59.34 | arjun_ | PerfDave, gnochm is in oldstable and not available in stable. I noticed it now. |
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| 11:00.34 | stix | When I run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" the system just prints a list of up-to-date locales. It doesn't let me choose new locales to build - why? |
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| 11:08.43 | simonlnu | stix: it should, try adding -plow after dpkg-reconfigure |
| 11:09.23 | stix | simonlnu: I figured out, that I should install the language-pack package |
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| 11:10.30 | simonlnu | stix: uh, that's an ubuntu thing |
| 11:10.42 | simonlnu | stix: that won't work for debian |
| 11:11.06 | simonlnu | if that's ubuntu you're in the wrong channel |
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| 11:11.11 | stix | oh okay |
| 11:11.24 | simonlnu | #ubuntu, on this network |
| 11:11.28 | stix | it's actually backtrack-linux, but I thought it was debian-based |
| 11:11.37 | jubo2 | my leet friend tells me there is a network installer I can put on USB stick and use that to installe Debian GNU/Linuxen |
| 11:11.43 | simonlnu | we only support pure debian here |
| 11:11.50 | stix | okay |
| 11:11.52 | PerfDave | !debian-based |
| 11:11.52 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution. #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 11:11.58 | simonlnu | good luck |
| 11:12.12 | PerfDave | jubo2: I suggest you read the Installation Guide |
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| 11:13.52 | simonlnu | stix: backtrack also has their own channel, i think on oftc |
| 11:14.03 | stix | yes I see |
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| 11:16.26 | mjt | out of curiocity.. there are tons of distributions based on debian (and on ubuntu too) - small modifications to the base and a new distribution emerges. Why users choose to run that changed thing instead of original? Is it somehow better? Maybe it's better to include that changes in base? |
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| 11:17.39 | mjt | a friend of mine asked me for help with some ubuntu-based thing he installed after someone recommended it to him. We ended up replacing sources.list to the one from real ubuntu due to several issues (and yes it was ubuntu not debian but does not matter in this context) |
| 11:18.38 | mjt | i think the only change they did was to include their own media files (graphics) and to change some defaults (maybe the desktop environment) and not providing any updates. |
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| 11:19.17 | rho | where can I get help for making the deb package I'm done with reading getting headache! now stuck in the syntax-error-in-debian-changelog |
| 11:19.53 | mjt | there's a channel on oftc dedicated to that -- #debian-mentors |
| 11:19.59 | learnerofskills1 | I'd assume people run other distributions because they can be specialized for a specific use. For example, I like using backtrack-linux a lot for computer repair because of all the tools that come with it by default. |
| 11:20.18 | rho | thanx |
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| 11:20.33 | learnerofskills1 | However I prefer using Debian for servers. |
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| 11:20.40 | mjt | rho: syntax of debian/changelog is quite simple, can't you figure it out yourself? |
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| 11:21.01 | mjt | learnerofskills1: are there tools in backtrack which are not present in debian? |
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| 11:21.42 | mjt | (maybe some non-free components, or something not easy to install by default) |
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| 11:24.15 | rho | mjt I guess I did similar stuff but lintian is giving warning |
| 11:24.24 | PerfDave | Backtrack is quite nicely set up out of the box for security and forensics work |
| 11:24.40 | learnerofskills1 | mjt: everything thats in backgrack you can install in debian, but it's nice to have them out of the box, especially when running from a live cd |
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| 11:25.22 | learnerofskills1 | Also when fixing computers, I don't always have an internet connection available. |
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| 11:37.07 | test | I used to use putty Pageant to add private key so I could ssh server without being asked for password in the case of public/private key existance. Does debian have the pageant? |
| 11:37.39 | mjt | openssh comes with ssh-agent |
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| 11:38.14 | mjt | also there's putty package in debian but i don't know if it has pageant included. putty is more for windows. |
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| 11:39.06 | test | In http://www.debian.org/devel/passwordlessssh it mentioned adding ssh-add to ~/.xsession |
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| 11:39.19 | rho | ssh-copy-id -i .ssh/id_dsa.pub <user>@<ip> |
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| 11:41.50 | test | my private key .ppk |
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| 11:42.19 | PerfDave | test: How did you create your private key? |
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| 11:42.55 | test | in windows using the puttygen, now I moved to debian and I copied the ppk key over |
| 11:43.11 | PerfDave | test: You'll need to convert the private key to OpenSSL format or generate a new one. |
| 11:43.30 | test | convert it too OpenSSL format? |
| 11:43.44 | PerfDave | test: Yes, read the PuTTY and OpenSSL documentation |
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| 11:47.36 | AL13N | can anyone tell me about this libreadline-gplv2-dev package? is it a readline5 which debian maintains with current patches/fixes? who is the upstream for this package? |
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| 11:48.18 | mjt | re ssh-agent in .xsession -- it is already done by one of system-wide xsession scripts |
| 11:48.20 | gnarface | does anyone happen to know if the current nvidia binary driver still has an abi mismatch with the current xorg? |
| 11:49.05 | test | PerfDave:After converting, I connect to server not by Putty? by which tool then? |
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| 11:49.18 | PerfDave | test: OpenSSH? |
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| 11:56.05 | jmd | What is the correct way to set a machine's dns domainname? |
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| 11:56.47 | dr-evil | what r u talking about? |
| 11:56.51 | valdyn | jmd: its set on the name server |
| 11:57.01 | dr-evil | dns-name sets on a dns-server :) |
| 11:57.05 | test | PerfDave: how to know if i already have it installed? or i have to get by apt-get install openssh-server |
| 11:57.19 | PerfDave | test: That'll install the server, you probably want to install the client |
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| 11:57.31 | jmd | valdyn, That doesn't appear to be the case. |
| 11:58.01 | valdyn | jmd: dns *means* domain name server, its really simple |
| 11:58.19 | jmd | almost. the s stands for system |
| 11:58.30 | valdyn | jmd: alright, same deal |
| 11:58.44 | valdyn | !hostname |
| 11:58.45 | dpkg | Use "hostname foo" to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it does not exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', /etc/mailname. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
| 11:59.10 | jmd | Right. But the hostname is not the same as the domainname. |
| 11:59.42 | valdyn | jmd: "$EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN." |
| 12:00.27 | jmd | valdyn, I tried that too, but then then "hostname" (no arguments) returns the fqdn. |
| 12:00.41 | valdyn | jmd: you did it wrong then |
| 12:01.08 | valdyn | jmd: working example: "192.168.1.1 server.home server" |
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| 12:01.36 | jmd | Oh sorry I thought you meant /etc/hostname |
| 12:01.43 | test | PerfDave: openssh is it under places - connect to server? or sorry being first time seeing linux env myself im pretty confused |
| 12:02.14 | valdyn | jmd: hostname would be just "server" |
| 12:02.25 | PerfDave | test: I have no idea what you mean, sorry. |
| 12:02.37 | PerfDave | To connect to another machine via ssh, you run "ssh user@hostname" |
| 12:03.25 | jmd | valdyn, That would work for a stand alone node. But if I'm in a network with a nameserver, then obviously it would be self defeating to set a hosts file on every machine. |
| 12:04.01 | valdyn | jmd: yea, that's why there's dns, and dns setup depends on the dns server, we've been there |
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| 12:04.20 | test | PerfDave: Like putty client, I find it under applications-internet, how about openssh-client |
| 12:04.39 | PerfDave | test: Just type it at the command line |
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| 12:05.27 | jmd | Exactly. But so far as I'm aware, getdomainname doesn't consult the resolver in order to get the domain name. |
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| 12:06.10 | valdyn | jmd: you need local /etc/hosts for localhost and /etc/hostname for localhost, on every machine |
| 12:06.31 | valdyn | jmd: everything else is done by some name server of your choice |
| 12:06.54 | jmd | valdyn, That, unfortunately, seems not to be the case. |
| 12:07.17 | valdyn | jmd: i dont get your problem, at all |
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| 12:08.12 | jmd | My problem is, that dnsdomainname returns the empty string. Whereas the domainname is not the empty string. |
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| 12:09.59 | valdyn | jmd: by default it will return an empty string when your /etc/hosts is not set up properly |
| 12:11.07 | jmd | valdyn, And what do you mean by "properly" ? |
| 12:11.15 | valdyn | jmd: i gave an example |
| 12:12.56 | jmd | Your example was appropriate only for a very particular case. |
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| 12:13.28 | valdyn | jmd: "<ip> <fullname> </etc/hostname>" |
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| 12:14.58 | jmd | valdyn, OK. I'll have a look at that in more detail. Thanks for your help. |
| 12:15.09 | jmd | reboots |
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| 12:15.28 | ChrisW | hi all, is there a dedicated networking channel? |
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| 12:15.46 | ChrisW | I'm having "dhcp issues", and looking for sources of info on how to diagnose... |
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| 12:16.44 | nkuttler | ChrisW: last time i checked #networking |
| 12:16.50 | chalcedony | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:17.02 | ChrisW | on it, thanks :-) |
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| 12:42.09 | jmd | valdyn, It seems you were right. |
| 12:42.34 | jmd | The trick is, one has to have the canonical host and domain mapped to the ip 127.0.0.1 !! |
| 12:42.56 | jmd | s/127.0.0.1/127.0.1.1/ |
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| 12:43.34 | paul3 | hi, everyone |
| 12:43.52 | valdyn | jmd: the ip doesnt matter for this |
| 12:44.22 | paul3 | after installing latest system updates, skype has no sound. and it kills all the system sound aswell. what can I do?:) |
| 12:44.35 | jmd | valdyn, So how does getdomainname (2) know which ip to lookup? |
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| 12:45.58 | valdyn | jmd: theres no ip lookup involved in that default setup, the ip protocol does not matter |
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| 12:46.59 | valdyn | jmd: theres a hostname in /etc/hostname, which is found in /etc/hosts, and which yields the domainname when substracted from the full name in /etc/hosts |
| 12:47.34 | jmd | valdyn, And if there is more than one such match? |
| 12:47.51 | valdyn | jmd: no idea |
| 12:48.13 | jmd | Oh well thanks for your help anyway. |
| 12:48.26 | valdyn | jmd: i guess the first is taken, but this might be undifined/ implementation dependent |
| 12:48.39 | jmd | (It seems like a real kludge to me. It ought to be documented somewhere but seems not to be) |
| 12:49.17 | valdyn | jmd: unix is grown, specs are often made a posteriori |
| 12:49.44 | jmd | Sure. |
| 12:52.25 | babilen | jmd: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=316099 (127.0.1.1 is also mentioned in the Debian reference) |
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| 12:53.18 | paul3 | guys, any ideas on why skype kills all the sound after system update? |
| 12:53.21 | valdyn | jmd: btw, /etc/hostname is written to /proc/sys/kernel/hostname on bootup |
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| 12:54.28 | nkuttler | paul3: because it's crappy non-free software? not supported here btw |
| 12:54.33 | valdyn | paul3: some sound devices can only be used by one program at a time |
| 12:54.44 | valdyn | paul3: if you let skype use one such device, then that happens |
| 12:55.54 | paul3 | well, the thing is. it doesnt have sound itself :) it just kills everything |
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| 12:56.45 | paul3 | and it's not crappy software :) very convinient and free. at least untill Microsoft does something bad with it :) |
| 12:58.01 | somiaj | I find skype fairly buggy, but since its not distributed though debian, it isn't really supported by #debian. Check your logs, and your settings, are you using alsa/pulse-audio/etc? |
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| 12:59.39 | AL13N | it's nonfree software, can't be redisitributed |
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| 12:59.51 | Jatofire | paul3: Learn how to use the word free. |
| 13:00.06 | Jatofire | At no cost != free |
| 13:00.24 | nkuttler | paul3: anyway.. you can also try the magical reboot |
| 13:00.31 | jmd | man 8 idmapd says "See also idmapd.conf(5)" but there is no such man page. |
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| 13:01.22 | nkuttler | hmm.. manpages-fr-extra: /usr/share/man/fr/man5/idmapd.conf.5.gz |
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| 13:01.37 | paul3 | I just got it working by choosing non-default sound devices. and after restarting all the programs - they've got sound aswell. but when I try to call, skype gets all the sound to itself and never gives it back :) |
| 13:02.13 | jmd | nkuttler, So I have to learn French to use idmap!! |
| 13:02.37 | nkuttler | jmd: good for you |
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| 13:03.17 | nkuttler | i'd kinda guess the -fr- package wasn't clean up though. unless idmapd was written by a french guy |
| 13:04.02 | urbee | whats the recommended linux partitioning scheme for larger drive space and faster drives, to get the most out of the iops i've got - i'm talking about 6x450 sas 15k in raid10 |
| 13:04.13 | urbee | If there's any |
| 13:04.50 | urbee | I was thinking of ext2 for boot and ext3 for root, and separate home and tmp partitions |
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| 13:06.42 | somiaj | urbee: I'd go with ext4 instead of ext3. |
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| 13:10.04 | babilen | urbee: I would use LVM is you plan to use multiple partitions/volume-groups -- A separate /var is a good idea, but you shouldn't separate /usr anymore. |
| 13:11.35 | PsyCongroo | I just reformatted a little while ago, and now I'm trying to install the "Testing" release. After pressing enter on the boot menu, the installer stops listening to my mouse and keyboard. The installer worked great whenever I installed Debian stable. |
| 13:12.06 | PsyCongroo | What could any potential issues be? |
| 13:12.07 | dr-evil | then install stable and upgrade :) |
| 13:12.08 | babilen | PsyCongroo: Which installer do you use? |
| 13:13.24 | PsyCongroo | babilen: I selected the "graphical installer" on the boot menu |
| 13:13.49 | babilen | PsyCongroo: Are you using the stable or the devel *installer*? |
| 13:15.17 | babilen | PsyCongroo: Well, be that as it may. dr-evil is correct in that the recommended (if at all) way to install testing is to use the stable installer to install stable/squeeze and take it from there. You could also use the stable installer to install wheezy, but that might not work as well. |
| 13:15.21 | PsyCongroo | babilen: Wait, what exactly do you mean? I downloaded the testing release's netinstaller disk image (debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso) |
| 13:15.45 | babilen | PsyCongroo: The devel d-i is meant for testing the *installer* not for installing testing. |
| 13:15.47 | PsyCongroo | Ah I see, to upgrade from 6.0? |
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| 13:17.12 | babilen | PsyCongroo: That would be the recommended way. As I said: you can also try to install testing with the stable installer, but I would personally recommend to install a minimal (well, install the standard task) squeeze system and switch to wheezy afterwards. |
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| 13:18.57 | babilen | PsyCongroo: Also note that testing/unstable specific support is provided by #debian-next on irc.oftc.net -- You might also want to read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable (tips apply to testing as well) -- Make sure that you have apt-listbugs/apt-listchanges installed. (and configure them to your liking with dpkg-reconfigure) |
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| 13:21.46 | project2501a | anybody seen any gpfs channels around? |
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| 13:24.15 | shellox_ | whats that for a weird version number? Version: 2:1.2.6-1 |
| 13:25.11 | somiaj | shellox_: the number in fron is called the epoch |
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| 13:25.31 | qiyong | how do i list all installed pkgs? |
| 13:25.35 | qiyong | and only their names |
| 13:25.36 | babilen | !tell shellox_ about epoch |
| 13:25.42 | somiaj | !tell shellox_ about version epoch |
| 13:25.54 | qiyong | dpkg -l lists everything, i only want installed ones |
| 13:25.54 | dpkg | No packages found matching lists everything, i only want installed ones |
| 13:26.07 | somiaj | qiyong: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 13:26.28 | qiyong | somiaj: again, i only want the bare names, not desc |
| 13:26.41 | somiaj | well put it into sed or something else to just parse that out |
| 13:27.01 | qiyong | somiaj: how |
| 13:27.08 | qiyong | i tried cut |
| 13:27.11 | qiyong | but not working |
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| 13:28.48 | somiaj | qiyong: dpkg -l | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2;}' -- I know you can put the grep/awk together I just don't know off the top of my head so that isn't the cleanest |
| 13:29.21 | mjt | not all installed packages are marked as ii |
| 13:29.37 | somiaj | yea might just want to do ^i |
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| 13:31.04 | qiyong | somiaj: cut -d ' ' -f3 works too |
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| 13:32.31 | shellox_ | babilen: i still dont get which version is this now: Version: 2:1.2.6-1 |
| 13:32.50 | shellox_ | looks like 1.2.6, but that cant be right |
| 13:33.02 | shellox_ | because redis is already in version 2.4.6 available |
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| 13:33.24 | shellox_ | 2.4.5* |
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| 13:34.32 | somiaj | shellox_: the upstream version is 1.2.6, the epoch 2: out front is to help with upgrades/apt knowing which version is the newer |
| 13:35.04 | somiaj | shellox_: what package? |
| 13:35.11 | shellox_ | redis |
| 13:35.27 | shellox_ | redis-server in apt |
| 13:35.52 | somiaj | ,versions redis-server |
| 13:35.54 | judd | Package: redis-server on i386 -- squeeze: 2:1.2.6-1; wheezy: 2:2.2.12-1; squeeze-backports: 2:2.4.2-1~bpo60+1; sid: 2:2.4.2-2 |
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| 13:36.24 | somiaj | there is a 2.2 and 2.4 in backports |
| 13:36.31 | somiaj | if you want a version newer than 1.2.6 |
| 13:37.15 | shellox_ | ok thanks, i will compile 2.4.5 then |
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| 13:38.49 | AL13N | can anyone tell me about this libreadline-gplv2-dev package? is it a readline5 which debian maintains with current patches/fixes? who is the upstream for this package? |
| 13:39.17 | somiaj | if you don't need teh features between 2.4.2 and 2.4.5 I'd suggest backports shellox_ so you don't have to compile it yourself. |
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| 13:40.39 | somiaj | AL13N: have you check the /usr/share/doc/libreadline-gplv2-dev, also apt-cache show libreadline-gplv2-dev (read the descriptions) |
| 13:41.41 | AL13N | somiaj: i don't have a debian system, can you find the upstream url in it? |
| 13:42.04 | AL13N | somiaj: i've tried looking at packages.debian.org, but it doesn't look like that info is on there |
| 13:42.23 | somiaj | AL13N: go check packages.debian.org, search for the package, you can get various online resources for descpritions/info/bugs on the package |
| 13:43.06 | somiaj | AL13N: http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/readline5 |
| 13:43.45 | somiaj | you can check the PTS page, bug reports for info as well |
| 13:43.46 | Leoneof | hey, backport is for kernels only? |
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| 13:44.33 | somiaj | Leoneof: no backport is any package newer than than squeeze compilied against the squeeze libaries, there are numeraous packages in backports for various reasons |
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| 13:47.12 | AL13N | somiaj: i've opened the sources, but it appears there is no upstream, this koko@debian.org person does this himself |
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| 13:48.11 | Leoneof | somiaj: oh, then how to install KDE backport? |
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| 13:48.43 | somiaj | Leoneof: first see if there is one, I'm not familar with the DE's but sometimes they are a bit big and aren't backported in their enterity |
| 13:49.00 | Leoneof | i see |
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| 13:57.02 | _ramo | hi |
| 13:57.38 | _ramo | if i do this command: sudo setfacl -R -m u:www-data:rwx -m -u:ramo:rwx cache/ logs/ i get this message: setfacl: Option -m: Invalid argument near character 1 what's wrong with my statement? |
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| 13:59.27 | ompaul | _ramo: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/acl-permissions-problem-794938/ |
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| 14:12.18 | clean | hi, how to delete some items from ` history' |
| 14:13.00 | clean | I mean, for example, no output of the command `history' for user root |
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| 14:19.21 | Chinese_soup | or try history -c |
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| 14:25.30 | shellox_ | damn, i need tcl 8.5 |
| 14:25.34 | shellox_ | to test redis |
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| 14:26.05 | gr8 | squeeze xfce edition: when my laptop lid is closed, it locks the screen and goes into standby. when awakening, the brightness is reduced. how can I disable the last? |
| 14:27.02 | gr8 | shellox_ why not simply install the tcl8.5 package? |
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| 14:29.49 | shellox_ | gr8: oops, made a typo so the name was wrong |
| 14:29.51 | secret_ | Hi , all :) I am having an unfortunate problem with one of my VPS' machine. I accidentally ran apt-spy testing ; apt-get update; apt-get install; apt-get dist-upgrade; From woody->testing... and I'm now getting a libc-bin: breaks and unable to use apt :( can anyone please please help? :( its a sucky trhing a broken apt |
| 14:30.31 | shellox_ | a broken apt is no problem :P Had this once too and used wget + tar + mv then ;) |
| 14:30.47 | secret_ | reallly? :) the dependancy breakage is specifically "libc-bin: Breaks: libc6 (< 2.10) but 2.7-18lenny7 is installed" and "perl-modules: Depends: perl (>= 5.14.2-1) but 5.10.0-19lenny2 is installed" |
| 14:30.59 | pksadiq | secret_: accidentally run such a long command ? :O |
| 14:31.18 | secret_ | no, i panicced, I haev been dating a pretty beautiful woman |
| 14:31.22 | shellox_ | pksadiq: better then rm -rf * |
| 14:31.30 | secret_ | and for the past year i've been struggling with a company called vpslink |
| 14:31.33 | shellox_ | or rm -rf / :P |
| 14:31.40 | secret_ | so i had to migrate my tinydns from washington to germany |
| 14:31.41 | PerfDave | secret_: You tried to dist-upgrade from *woody* to *wheezzy*? That's insane. |
| 14:31.45 | babilen | secret_: I don't think that there is anything you could do apart from a new installation. But please revert your sources to woody ones (why ware you running woody anyway??) and paste the output of: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' to http://paste.debian.net |
| 14:31.47 | secret_ | :( |
| 14:31.49 | secret_ | it as an accident |
| 14:31.56 | shellox_ | lol |
| 14:31.57 | secret_ | i didnt realise apt-spy had added testing |
| 14:31.58 | secret_ | :( |
| 14:31.59 | PerfDave | Running woody in the first place is insane. |
| 14:32.06 | shellox_ | version 4 -> 7? |
| 14:32.06 | secret_ | it was a long time ago... |
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| 14:32.09 | secret_ | its an old VPS |
| 14:32.17 | PerfDave | Please tell me it wasn't on the Internet |
| 14:32.24 | secret_ | :( |
| 14:32.29 | shellox_ | :P |
| 14:32.35 | shellox_ | shit happens |
| 14:32.39 | secret_ | i have secured it with tables |
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| 14:32.42 | shellox_ | it got hacked? |
| 14:32.43 | secret_ | im still farked off though :( |
| 14:32.49 | secret_ | oh, god no |
| 14:32.50 | PerfDave | secret_: OK, you want to do a fresh reinstall, because it's almost certainly been r00ted and used as a spam generator. |
| 14:32.59 | secret_ | no it hasnt lol |
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| 14:33.18 | PerfDave | secret_: How do you know? |
| 14:33.23 | shellox_ | PerfDave: it isn't so insane :P |
| 14:33.26 | secret_ | I am a penetration tester, for starters, it is just a broken apt, in its present state |
| 14:33.30 | shellox_ | i read once about this freebsd guy |
| 14:33.33 | secret_ | ;) |
| 14:33.36 | secret_ | you guys make me laugh |
| 14:33.38 | babilen | secret_: Please concentrate -- First and foremost: You shouldn't run woody on anything that is on the internet. Please do what I just suggested, but I am pretty sure that the best approach is to install squeeze from scratch. |
| 14:33.41 | shellox_ | he upgrade from version 2 to version 6 w/o problems |
| 14:33.42 | shellox_ | :D |
| 14:33.51 | secret_ | its a vps, babilen , but i agree |
| 14:34.04 | secret_ | oh sigh :( |
| 14:34.11 | no_gravity | Hello from Belgrade! I heard that you can use ssh to create a "tunnel" with an ip, use that ip as your standard gateway and all your network traffic will go through this. is it true? |
| 14:34.19 | PerfDave | shellox_: That's nice. Perhaps FreeBSD supports that; Debian doesn't. At least, not as a direct upgrade - you should be able to go up through the stable releases. |
| 14:34.21 | babilen | no_gravity: yes |
| 14:34.25 | secret_ | I will buy another VPS, and run squeeze yes |
| 14:34.28 | secret_ | migrate to that, |
| 14:34.29 | PerfDave | no_gravity: You can use SSH as a SOCKS proxy, certainly |
| 14:34.34 | secret_ | otherwise apt is going to be a nightmare |
| 14:34.37 | shellox_ | PerfDave: i doubt that somebody directly supported it ;) |
| 14:34.41 | secret_ | I still think it is fixable, anyways |
| 14:34.45 | PerfDave | secret_: Don't copy any binaries across :p |
| 14:34.50 | no_gravity | babilen: do you know the parameters to do that? |
| 14:34.54 | secret_ | haha |
| 14:34.56 | secret_ | very funny PerfDave |
| 14:35.11 | secret_ | It was an innocent mistake, i didnt know how to use apt-spy, and i missed 'testing' |
| 14:35.14 | no_gravity | PerfDave: yes, but then you have to set a proxy in every application. And you cannot really be sure if some traffic goes around it. |
| 14:35.16 | babilen | no_gravity: Not by heart, but "ssh tunnel" should yield a number of hits |
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| 14:35.37 | shellox_ | secret_: you can change your name now |
| 14:35.42 | PerfDave | no_gravity: That's true - but if that's what you're after, you're probably better off using OpenVPN |
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| 14:35.45 | shellox_ | you told us already the secret |
| 14:35.49 | dembug | :> |
| 14:36.08 | no_gravity | babilen: im googling it now |
| 14:36.09 | thewanderer1 | how do I see all "at" queued commands along with what they contain? "atq" doesn't show the actual command to be executed, while "cat /var/spool/cron/atjobs/*" does not show me which number every one has or at which hour it is to be executed... |
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| 14:36.27 | dembug | can i fix libc-bin: Breaks: libc6 (< 2.10) but 2.7-18lenny7 is installed? is it possible? I really dont want to migrate all today :( |
| 14:36.40 | dembug | i think it is just a few packages on hold |
| 14:36.48 | dembug | sighs :) |
| 14:36.54 | babilen | dembug: Please run the command I gave you earlier and paste the result |
| 14:37.08 | shellox_ | babilen: rm -rf /? |
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| 14:37.11 | dembug | lol |
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| 14:37.22 | no_gravity | PerfDave: right now im hoping to find some command to ssh so i can say "ssh my.servers.ip -tunnel 127.0.0.2" and then use 127.0.0.2 as my gateway and be done. |
| 14:37.23 | dembug | i didnt see it sorry babilen , what command? |
| 14:37.47 | dembug | babilen: also, thanks ;) man |
| 14:38.17 | babilen | shellox_: No, not that. You have been quieted and I hope that you will refrain from mentioning such destructive commands in the future. Please observe how support is handled in this channel, so you can provide better support in the future. |
| 14:38.27 | PerfDave | no_gravity: Not sure that's possible with OpenSSH, but it is with OpenVPN |
| 14:38.45 | thewanderer1 | no_gravity, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH_VPN |
| 14:38.55 | babilen | dembug: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' -- I am not entirely sure if your aptitude version supports that. Alternatively paste "apt-cache policy libc6" |
| 14:38.57 | thewanderer1 | should apply to Debian without or with very minor changes |
| 14:39.13 | dembug | babilen: thank you, kind of you ;) |
| 14:39.19 | no_gravity | let me first try to figure out everything about ssh. i like to use as less tools as possible. |
| 14:40.05 | babilen | dembug: Please also include "cat /etc/debian_version" and "find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n:\n" -exec cat {} \;" |
| 14:40.22 | dembug | babilen: OK :) http://pastebin.com/H09D185n |
| 14:40.43 | dembug | doing second one now |
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| 14:41.26 | babilen | dembug: The actual error (command + output) would be interesting as well + "apt-cache policy" |
| 14:41.31 | PerfDave | Hmm, not heard of ssh -w before |
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| 14:42.50 | dembug | hey babilin im struggling with find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n:\n is the syntax exact |
| 14:43.04 | dembug | with the " " precedence you gave |
| 14:43.14 | dembug | slash/termination |
| 14:43.38 | dembug | sorry im being farpy |
| 14:43.54 | dembug | i see what your asking for |
| 14:43.54 | babilen | dembug: What? |
| 14:44.01 | dembug | my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:44.08 | babilen | yes |
| 14:44.09 | dembug | no, sorry, just bit stressed, :) thanks doing |
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| 14:44.50 | dembug | babilen: http://pastebin.com/SuNBvfGt |
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| 14:45.35 | dembug | cat version renders 5.0.7 |
| 14:46.11 | ompaul | dembug: which is strange cos you are showing woody which is oldstable -2 in there |
| 14:46.20 | dembug | yeah |
| 14:46.22 | babilen | dembug: Ok, not entirely sure what you've done, but you have (inactive) woody repositories in your sources.list (forgot to run "apt-get update") and libc6 from lenny installed. You most likely installed a few lenny packages. |
| 14:46.34 | dembug | ahh ;< |
| 14:46.40 | dembug | actually no, wait |
| 14:46.45 | dembug | i know apt quite well |
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| 14:46.52 | dembug | i paniced and switched to woody |
| 14:46.54 | dembug | it should read lenny |
| 14:46.58 | dembug | god im an fool |
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| 14:47.30 | dembug | thanks dude, you are really helping already |
| 14:47.42 | mah454 | I have OpenVPN server . Can i config this server without use private key and certificate file ? |
| 14:48.05 | ompaul | mah454: you can -but it won't do anything? |
| 14:48.15 | dembug | apt-spy REALLY confused me babilen , i am not so imcompetant and distracted ;) |
| 14:48.27 | mah454 | :D |
| 14:48.29 | mah454 | !! |
| 14:48.30 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 14:48.38 | babilen | dembug: Could you please relax, concentrate and work with us? It is quite hard to follow your train of thoughts -- Woody is ancient (you are certainly aware of that) and you really shouldn't run it in production. It looks as if you have a woody/lenny mix installed which is nothing that can be repaired. |
| 14:48.40 | no_gravi1y | Anybody good with ssh? Is it possible with ssh to create an ssh tunnel that you can use as the standard gateway, so that all your network traffic goes through it? |
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| 14:48.53 | dembug | ok |
| 14:48.59 | ompaul | mah454: so no it does not work, so read the FAQ on the openvpn site and it will all be fantastic |
| 14:49.13 | dembug | i might be able to do it manually with dpkg if i can get a grip, thanks though |
| 14:49.25 | unkmar | no_gravi1y: I think what you want is a vpn |
| 14:49.39 | no_gravi1y | unkmar: yes, if its not possible with ssh, i will look into vpn |
| 14:49.48 | alex88 | hi guys, i've a host with some vm, i'm trying to redirect www traffic to a vm, so i've used /sbin/iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i vmbr0 --dest $IPF1 --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 10.8.3.1 |
| 14:49.52 | alex88 | ipf1 is a failover ip directed to the machine…before the rule i get connection refused, after i get timeout |
| 14:49.55 | alex88 | from host i can ping and telnet to vm port 80 |
| 14:50.04 | thewanderer1 | no_gravi1y, your question is a repeat: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH_VPN |
| 14:50.14 | mah454 | ompaul, FAQ in openvpn.net ? |
| 14:50.16 | dembug | thank babilen for your help, you are right, of course. I will redo the server |
| 14:50.19 | dembug | from scratch |
| 14:50.42 | babilen | dembug: That depends on the number of packages you have installed -- The aptitude command I mentioned earlier will list all packages that are not in woody. (make sure to run "apt-get update" before!) -- You *might* be able to solve this problem by manually installing/extracting + copying files around, but I doubt that it is feasible. Most certainly it is more work than a new squeeze installation. |
| 14:50.59 | dembug | it is only about 13 packages |
| 14:51.02 | dembug | I know that much ;) |
| 14:51.05 | no_gravi1y | thewanderer1: eading that now |
| 14:51.18 | dembug | i was impatient waiting for slow mirror... whilst installing postfix/courrier/sasl etc |
| 14:51.22 | babilen | dembug: Good luck! |
| 14:51.33 | dembug | babilen: thanks, i will need some ;) |
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| 14:57.11 | Ek|mu5 | hello all |
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| 14:59.13 | pksadiq | how to ask dpkg about a package on a perticular version, like stable, unstble etc? |
| 14:59.40 | Ek|mu5 | have a problem with openvpn running on squeeze was following openvpn howto and ran bridge-start script. server then crashes. am I missing something? |
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| 15:00.22 | babilen | pksadiq: What information are you after? |
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| 15:00.42 | ChibaPet | Good morning, ye Debian folk for whom it is morning. Adjust as needed. |
| 15:00.52 | PerfDave | Ek|mu5: I would recommend reading the Debian OpenVPN docs |
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| 15:01.02 | pksadiq | babilen: like !info gnome-shell squeeze ? |
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| 15:01.16 | Ek|mu5 | PerfDave: thanks |
| 15:01.24 | Cain | ,judd php |
| 15:01.48 | ompaul | ,versions php |
| 15:01.49 | judd | No package named 'php' was found in i386. |
| 15:01.55 | ompaul | ,versions php5 |
| 15:01.56 | babilen | pksadiq: You have that information already :) -- "apt-cache show PKG" or "aptitude show PKG" should provide that information (a bit different though) locally. |
| 15:01.57 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; sid: 5.3.6-7; sid: 5.3.8.0-1; wheezy: 5.3.8.0-1; experimental: 5.4.0~beta2-1 |
| 15:02.10 | Cain | ah thx ompaul ^^ |
| 15:02.59 | babilen | Cain: "/msg judd version php5" ;) -- Or use "rmadison php5" (from devscripts) locally, look on http://packages.debian.org ... |
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| 15:03.03 | pksadiq | so I have to ask to judd, thanks |
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| 15:03.44 | surfdue | Good morning everyone! |
| 15:03.47 | babilen | pksadiq: That really depends on the information you are after. You said that you want something like the "info PKG" output from dpkg |
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| 15:04.12 | pksadiq | babilen: I mean the dpkg bot here :) |
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| 15:04.28 | Cain | babilen : yep thankyou :) |
| 15:04.34 | surfdue | Does anyone know off hand what packages I need to install to meet the following requirements? openvz kernel, openvz tools, ruby 1.8.5+ (but < 1.9), ruby gems, and ruby sqlite3 |
| 15:04.46 | surfdue | (installing openvz web panel http://code.google.com/p/ovz-web-panel/wiki/Installation) |
| 15:05.02 | mrcarrot | is there a way to reinstall every single package. in some way it looks like something has been going bad during an install and i have a lot of broken packages |
| 15:05.05 | babilen | pksadiq: I am still not sure what you are asking about -- If you want to know which package versions are available please also read what I just told Cain |
| 15:05.06 | surfdue | I want to use debian but the install instructions they have are for slacky and centos -.- |
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| 15:05.44 | pksadiq | babilen: got it, my need was judd, thats all ;) |
| 15:05.45 | DusteD | Just me or is debian-multimedia down? |
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| 15:07.02 | ChibaPet | surfdue: I'd recommend Googling for openvz web panel debian - and then, start digging through package lists to see what looks right. |
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| 15:07.10 | ChibaPet | aptitude has some nice search features |
| 15:07.43 | surfdue | i found a pretty nice one would these still be accurate? http://bigmyx.blogspot.com/2011/06/how-to-install-openvz-with-ovz-web.html |
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| 15:07.55 | surfdue | Only thing I am omitting is the apache2-prefork-dev |
| 15:08.05 | surfdue | I will use the built in ruby admin, or nginx |
| 15:08.08 | ChibaPet | If it's from 2011 it seems likely current. |
| 15:08.36 | surfdue | ChibaPet: it does not state if I need to restart after installation dont I need to reboot into the openvz kernel ? |
| 15:08.40 | ChibaPet | I haven't used any of that so I've got no direct experience to share, but it seems hopeful. |
| 15:08.46 | surfdue | or is that not the case, I appreciate your help |
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| 15:09.39 | ChibaPet | If you're popping in a new kernel, you'll want to reboot. If it's a module, you can probably load it. I'm not sure what best describes openvz, sorry! |
| 15:10.08 | surfdue | does debian 6 not have setenforce |
| 15:11.22 | ChibaPet | package selinux-tools |
| 15:11.31 | ChibaPet | sorry, selinux-utils |
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| 15:12.00 | ChibaPet | And to teach you to fish: apt-file search bin/setenforce |
| 15:12.37 | ompaul | surfdue: have you thought of installing selinux-utils and checking in there? |
| 15:13.06 | ChibaPet | I bet he didn't know about it. But now he does. :) |
| 15:13.30 | ompaul | ja think? |
| 15:13.34 | ChibaPet | Folks coming from Red Hat or the like might presuppose its installation. |
| 15:14.19 | ompaul | ChibaPet: point, game set and match to you |
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| 15:15.32 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 15:16.03 | surfdue | HI! |
| 15:16.18 | ompaul | 1138 hi's later |
| 15:16.30 | dury | where is .htaccess file |
| 15:16.44 | ompaul | dragonslay: |
| 15:17.03 | ompaul | wopops bad tab sorry dragonslay |
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| 15:18.20 | ompaul | dury: so that depends on how you set it up. Generally speaking in http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/howto/htaccess.html you get good stuff |
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| 15:18.36 | no_gravi1y | Ok, what I found out is that you can create a new network device with "ssh -NTCf -w 0:0 <ip_of_your_server>". It seems to work. It creates a network device with the name of tun0. Can I just use this device as my standard gateway? And if so.. how? |
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| 15:19.32 | thewanderer1 | no_gravi1y, it's a network interface, you use it exactly the same as eth0 |
| 15:19.42 | dury | ompaul, I want to add a line in that file |
| 15:21.26 | no_gravi1y | thewanderer1: i have no clue how i use eth0. i just installed debian on my notebook, it had this network-selector in gnome, i click on a wifi router and *boom* im on the internet. |
| 15:22.16 | thewanderer1 | no_gravi1y, hmm, I'm not sure how your manual routing decisions will interact with NetworkManager - probably poorly... |
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| 15:23.06 | PerfDave | no_gravi1y: You're going to have to play with routing tables etc. - this is something OPenVPN does for you :) |
| 15:23.10 | no_gravi1y | thewanderer1: if i give the interface an ip and then do "route add default gw <that_ip>" mabe it would work... |
| 15:23.21 | PerfDave | no_gravi1y: I'd suggest starting with the iptables HOWTO at netfilter.org |
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| 15:23.31 | thewanderer1 | no_gravi1y, anyway, remove your default gateway, add a /32 gateway to the VPN box via the physical interface, add a default gateway (the VPN end) |
| 15:23.43 | thewanderer1 | iptables shouldn't be needed here... |
| 15:24.05 | PerfDave | thewanderer1: No, but the Networking Concepts HOWTO is quite good for learning about gateways, interfaces etc. |
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| 15:26.13 | no_gravi1y | thewanderer1: here is what i did so far: pastebin.com/caGaNi2K |
| 15:26.23 | no_gravi1y | thewanderer1: do you think i will have to reverse some of these actions? |
| 15:26.50 | thewanderer1 | no_gravi1y, no, you just need to set up routing correctly now |
| 15:27.03 | no_gravi1y | thewanderer1: route -add default gw 10.0.0.100 ? |
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| 15:27.35 | no_gravi1y | i actuall dont understand what the "ip" command does. |
| 15:27.48 | PerfDave | man ip |
| 15:28.12 | no_gravi1y | so i did this on the client: |
| 15:28.22 | no_gravi1y | ip addr add 10.0.0.200/32 peer 10.0.0.100 dev tun0 |
| 15:28.24 | no_gravi1y | did this create a "link"? with ip 10.0.0.100? |
| 15:28.41 | no_gravi1y | or did it create a gateway? |
| 15:29.20 | mjt | it created 2 things: first it told the kernel that 10.0.0.200 is local, and second it created a route to 10.0.0.100 over tun0 interface. |
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| 15:29.40 | no_gravi1y | ok, so i created something with ip 10.0.0.200 on the client |
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| 15:30.19 | no_gravi1y | and now i have to tell the client to use that ip as the default gateway? |
| 15:30.25 | mjt | don't forget that you need to "up" the tun0 interface too |
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| 15:30.53 | mjt | and for default gateway you need to configure, well, default gateway |
| 15:31.01 | mjt | or default route, whatever. |
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| 15:31.24 | no_gravi1y | mjt: i did "ip link set tun0 up" on the client and the server. see my paste at pastebin.com/caGaNi2K |
| 15:31.35 | mjt | yeah, ok |
| 15:31.54 | mjt | hwo your client and server are connected? |
| 15:32.02 | mjt | are they on the same LAN? |
| 15:32.30 | no_gravi1y | mjt: my client is using a wifi thingy nearby and my server is in some other country in a data center. |
| 15:32.45 | no_gravi1y | so maybe i do this now?ip route replace default via 10.0.0.200 |
| 15:32.58 | mjt | in that case you can't change default route |
| 15:33.17 | mjt | because this way you'll lose connection to your server |
| 15:33.22 | no_gravi1y | oh |
| 15:33.29 | no_gravi1y | so im fucked with this approach? |
| 15:33.52 | mjt | no idea because i haven't looked at scrollback and don't know what you're trying to do ;) |
| 15:34.25 | no_gravi1y | mjt: tunnel all my network traffic through my server over ssh. |
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| 15:34.34 | mjt | are you sure you want to tunnel ALL traffic? |
| 15:34.44 | mjt | or just some specific traffic? |
| 15:35.08 | no_gravi1y | all traffic |
| 15:35.54 | thewanderer1 | add a /32 route to the VLAN server first |
| 15:36.03 | thewanderer1 | then replace the default |
| 15:36.09 | mjt | just one example: your "nearby" wifi gave you list of nearby nameservers (DNS servers) which are now in your /etc/resolv.conf. If you direct all traffic to your server (from where these "nearby" dns servers are not even reachable), you will hose your dns. |
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| 15:36.28 | thewanderer1 | mjt, oh well, switching to new DNS shouldn't be a problem |
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| 15:36.40 | no_gravi1y | thewanderer1: what does "add a /32 route to the vlan server" mean? |
| 15:36.41 | mjt | i'm just saying it needs quite some more work |
| 15:36.50 | thewanderer1 | oops, VPN server. |
| 15:37.02 | mjt | because after switching dns he wont be able to connect to the server again since he wont be able to resolve its name. |
| 15:37.14 | no_gravi1y | mjt: why would i lose dns? the dns-requests would go through my server to the dns servers. |
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| 15:38.06 | mjt | no_gravi1y: i doubt the nameservers of you WIFI provider will answer to requests from your VPN server. |
| 15:38.26 | thewanderer1 | no_gravi1y, probably something like "ip route add <ip_of_your_server>/32 via <ip of your CURRENT default gw>" |
| 15:38.37 | no_gravi1y | mjt: well, i could just try it. |
| 15:38.48 | no_gravi1y | thewanderer1: see my paste. i already did that. |
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| 15:38.54 | mjt | thewanderer1: and with that, don't forget that he's on dynamic WIFI :) |
| 15:38.56 | no_gravi1y | thewanderer1: oh! no |
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| 15:39.00 | no_gravi1y | thewanderer1: let me think... |
| 15:39.15 | mjt | hehe |
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| 15:39.32 | no_gravi1y | thewanderer1: why did i do "ip addr add 10.0.0.200/32 peer 10.0.0.100 dev tun0" ? |
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| 15:39.59 | no_gravi1y | thewanderer1: was that unnecessary? |
| 15:40.02 | mjt | heh |
| 15:40.05 | thewanderer1 | no_gravi1y, to establish an IP route to the VPN server. it was necessary. |
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| 15:40.21 | thewanderer1 | this is the encrypted connection, going via SSH |
| 15:40.44 | thewanderer1 | you need the other route to tell it how to reach the SSH server over the Internet |
| 15:40.45 | mjt | but now ssh should send the packets it encrypts over real internet |
| 15:40.53 | mjt | not over itself |
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| 15:41.49 | thewanderer1 | no_gravi1y, imagine what would happen if you told your machine that, to reach the SSH server, it needs to go through the SSH server... :P |
| 15:41.57 | mjt | somehow the tunnel concept is difficult to understand. One of the questions I had to answer quite frequently - why can't i use the same IP address on my eth0 interface and on the virtual interface? :) |
| 15:43.18 | no_gravi1y | thewanderer1: i get this: RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument |
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| 15:44.04 | thewanderer1 | no_gravi1y, what was the *exact* command that you executed? |
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| 15:45.32 | no_gravi1y | ip route add <ip_of_server>/32 via <ip_of_router> |
| 15:45.33 | arjun_ | Hi, can I change eth4 to eth0? |
| 15:45.51 | no_gravi1y | thewanderer1: ip_of_router i got from the output of "route" |
| 15:46.19 | ompaul | and you did not do < in your command or did you |
| 15:46.30 | no_gravi1y | ompaul: no |
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| 15:47.13 | thewanderer1 | no_gravi1y, ip of server was the external IP, right? not the 10.0.*... |
| 15:47.15 | jhutchins_wk | arjun_: In what with what for what how why? |
| 15:47.15 | mjt | arjun_: its in /etc/udev/rules.d/*network* - you may just delete that one file |
| 15:47.24 | no_gravi1y | thewanderer1: yes |
| 15:48.03 | mjt | arjun_: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules to be exact |
| 15:48.07 | thewanderer1 | no_gravi1y, and router IP is in your subnet? |
| 15:48.32 | no_gravi1y | thewanderer1: i have no idea what a subnet is |
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| 15:49.04 | arjun_ | I have Debian installed in my disk. Now whenever I use that disk with different computer the eth0 is changing to eth1, eth2 etc. Same is for wlan. |
| 15:49.26 | mjt | it does not change |
| 15:49.31 | project2501a | arjun_: google "renumbering ethernet interfaces udev" |
| 15:49.41 | mjt | each new computer has DIFFERENT network card. |
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| 15:49.53 | project2501a | arjun_: it makes sense to change. different ethernet address. |
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| 15:50.29 | arjun_ | Is this recognizing MAC address? |
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| 15:50.41 | thewanderer1 | no_gravi1y, can you paste the output of "ip address show" and "ip route show"? nobody is going to hack your machine based on IP address only :P |
| 15:51.17 | mjt | no_gravi1y: you wont go anywhere this way. You have to either learn a bit about how IP networking works, or you have to show exact commands and replies instead of substituting stuff. |
| 15:51.20 | project2501a | arjun_: yes. |
| 15:51.32 | project2501a | ethernet address, mac address, same thing, in this case. |
| 15:51.42 | pandrew | is there anybody else having serious problems with debian-live? i can't seem to build a single working image (i tried: default everything; grub + hybrid; grub + usb-hdd) all 3 fail. The first is trying to boot vmlinux instead of vmlinuz-version. The second: " bootloader has on isolinux.bin hybrid signature". The third, when installing grub-legacy: can't open file `' |
| 15:51.59 | ompaul | no_gravi1y: if you thought that we were all waiting on someone to do a bad command then you might thing that out of 1141 nicks someone would alert you to that? |
| 15:52.37 | mjt | from these 1141 nicks about 1120 are sleeping bots anyway :) |
| 15:52.42 | ompaul | pandrew: we are not getting complaints of that nature, bad burn / dload? |
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| 15:53.05 | no_gravi1y | thewanderer1: http://pastebin.com/xuKcKmRN |
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| 15:53.13 | no_gravi1y | thewanderer1: i Xed out my ip |
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| 15:53.31 | pandrew | ompaul: never even tried burning. i'm testing with qemu and virtualbox. anyway cases 2 and 3 don't even get to a finished image in the lb build process |
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| 15:54.31 | no_gravi1y | thewanderer1: http://pastebin.com/BECwR3rc |
| 15:54.34 | ompaul | pandrew: check your md5sum |
| 15:54.54 | ompaul | no_gravi1y: you're not being helpful to your own cause |
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| 15:55.21 | pandrew | ompaul: for case 2 here is the end of output of lb build: http://pastebin.com/yHgm1yb8 |
| 15:55.26 | pandrew | ompaul: what md5sum? |
| 15:55.39 | thewanderer1 | no_gravi1y, what is this Y.Y.Y.0 network? |
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| 15:55.45 | WindowsMojave | Hey guys |
| 15:55.48 | mohsen_hassani | Do VPSs have sound card or something to produce sound using tts softwares like espeak and festival? |
| 15:55.51 | ompaul | pandrew: for the disk you downloaded |
| 15:56.02 | WindowsMojave | Can you help me find a Wireless USB Adaptor that works with Kernel 2.6.32? |
| 15:56.22 | ompaul | mohsen_hassani: only if enabled by the server admin and in a data centre that would be silly |
| 15:56.35 | pandrew | ompaul: oh, you are talking about pre-built disks. I'm talking about something else, building your own custom disks with live-build |
| 15:56.50 | ompaul | ah that has a support channel all to itself |
| 15:57.16 | ompaul | pandrew: #debian-live on irc.oftc.net |
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| 15:57.23 | thewanderer1 | WindowsMojave, RaLink generally do, but they require non-free firmware (like almost any wifi) |
| 15:58.13 | WindowsMojave | <thewanderer1> thanks, I am pretty sure CrunchBang Statler has non-free firmwares enabled by default, which is based on Debian 6 Stable |
| 15:58.16 | pandrew | ompaul: thanks for directing me there, i didn't know about it :) |
| 15:58.31 | ompaul | !crunchbang |
| 15:58.32 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
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| 15:59.02 | ompaul | WindowsMojave: I guess you have to ask the experts in what changes they made |
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| 16:00.18 | ompaul | no_gravi1y: seriously if you think displaying anything from 192.168* or 10* will expose yo uto the internet you got it very wrong - mostly because those are private ip spaces |
| 16:00.28 | no_gravity | Internet broke down. Did anybody say something intelligent? |
| 16:00.36 | ompaul | I didi |
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| 16:05.19 | ompaul | no_gravity: bottom line - as long as you don't tell people what the values are - what are the chances that they can tell you anything and while we are at it, you arrived here with a public ip on display 109-93-54-95.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs so unless you are proxied via there ... you told us your address already |
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| 16:07.35 | no_gravity | ok, what was the ouput you wanted to see again? i will paste it. |
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| 16:08.02 | gnarface | so i installed nvidia-libopencl1-ia32 on my amd64 system and it got rid of the complaint about missing OpenCL at the end of ./configure for wine but now games don't launch (oddly steam works fine otherwise though) any ideas guys? |
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| 16:08.35 | ompaul | no_gravity: "ip address show" and "ip route show" |
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| 16:08.44 | Mac101 | hi, i get the following errors at boot on my dual-core atom pc: |
| 16:08.46 | Mac101 | [ 0.418360] pci 0000:01:00.0: BAR 6: no parent found for of device [0xfffe0000-0xffffffff] |
| 16:08.46 | Mac101 | [ 0.418412] pci 0000:04:00.0: BAR 6: address space collision on of device [0xfff80000-0xffffffff] |
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| 16:09.16 | Mac101 | i did get a few suggestions yesterday but was wondering if anyone around now might have another take? :s |
| 16:09.21 | bootdisk | Hi! Does linux support HD-Audio in bitstreaming yet? |
| 16:09.24 | jhutchins_wk | gnarface: "games" is too vague a category. Even "windows games". "Don't launch" is to vague a description too. |
| 16:10.06 | jhutchins_wk | bootdisk: Yes. |
| 16:10.43 | no_gravity | thewanderer1, ompaul: here it is: http://pastebin.com/Pz5kRuLX |
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| 16:11.26 | bootdisk | jhutchins_wk okey, "out of the box"? I have an ATI Radeon HD 5670 |
| 16:12.02 | ompaul | no_gravity: so your local ip in the command given before is 192.168.1.3 and the gateway / router is 192.168.1.1 |
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| 16:12.39 | ompaul | no_gravity: that is for your wireless is that what you want? |
| 16:12.39 | no_gravity | ompaul: i dont have the command anymore. which one was it? |
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| 16:12.56 | jhutchins_wk | bootdisk: Yes. |
| 16:13.00 | ompaul | no_gravity: use the up arrow in a root terminal and see if you can find ip route add |
| 16:13.00 | no_gravity | ompaul: i dont know. the end goal is to send all my traffic through my server. |
| 16:13.20 | ompaul | no_gravity: I have no idea who what where when your server is |
| 16:13.58 | no_gravity | well, im giving up for now |
| 16:14.05 | ompaul | no_gravity: so the command was ip route add 192.168.1.3/32 via 192.168.1.1 |
| 16:14.16 | bootdisk | jhutchins_wk okey. Maybe i should download ubuntu then and install it on my HTPC :) |
| 16:14.21 | bootdisk | thanks for the info! |
| 16:14.34 | ompaul | that pushes all your traffic from the box you are on to the router but that should be the case already |
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| 16:14.58 | no_gravity | ompaul: that goes throug without any output |
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| 16:15.11 | no_gravity | ompaul: what does it do? |
| 16:15.37 | ompaul | it puts traffic from a wireless interface (1.3) via a router (1.1) |
| 16:15.38 | jhutchins_wk | no_gravity: Adds an entry to your routing table. |
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| 16:15.45 | no_gravity | ompaul: and where do i normally get these two ips from? |
| 16:15.50 | StijnH | Hello, I'm trying to set up SFTP and ran into an issue. ChrootDirectory /home works fine, but ChrootDirectory /home/%u refuses connection. |
| 16:15.58 | ompaul | no_gravity: you just gave them to me in the paste |
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| 16:16.33 | no_gravity | ompaul: so if i want to do it next time, i use "ip address show" again and sift through it looking for something? |
| 16:16.35 | ompaul | no_gravity: I think you need to think a little more about what you are doing I think what you want is laptop with wireless <--> server <--> router internet |
| 16:16.37 | fumanchu182 | Coming from Ubuntu to Debian has been a delight (no sarcasm). I find the wiki on how to get up and running extremely useful, cheers! |
| 16:16.51 | PerfDave | StijnH: What does /var/log/auth.log say after the connection is refused? |
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| 16:17.14 | no_gravity | ompaul: im giving up for now. |
| 16:17.15 | StijnH | PerfDave: I'll have a look |
| 16:17.15 | ompaul | no_gravity: however we know nothing of the ips for the server - not a jot as far as I can see |
| 16:17.22 | ompaul | no_gravity: ok |
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| 16:17.56 | no_gravity | ompaul: i will just use vnc over ssh and work on the server. i have debian with gnome on it too. |
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| 16:18.12 | gnarface | jhutchins_wk: rage, left4dead, borderlands |
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| 16:18.16 | ompaul | no_gravity: you have to be willing to hand people information if you want to ask questions, else they are working blind and that is not fair to you or them, mostly you will be frustrated and they will be annoyed and get vexed because you won't answer |
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| 16:18.33 | no_gravity | ok |
| 16:18.37 | no_gravity | thanks for all the help |
| 16:18.48 | no_gravity | rebooting my machines now to get rid of the configs i did. |
| 16:18.50 | robinds | Please help me: My locale is completely borked: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/786970/ |
| 16:19.02 | StijnH | PerfDave: it says this, though I can go to the directory and create files when not using %u. fatal: bad ownership or modes for chroot directory "/var/ftp/klant" |
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| 16:20.28 | PerfDave | StijnH: I suggest reading the documentation for ChrootDirectory in "man sshd_config" |
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| 16:21.08 | StijnH | PerfDave: ok, I'll take a look. I read a few tutorials and they all more or less give the same steps as I just did. |
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| 16:21.49 | ompaul | robinds: before I waste any time this is debian not ubuntu eh? I don't know if they did anything to locale and therefore advice would be invalid: update-locale options pick one |
| 16:22.04 | ompaul | robinds: that sets it in /etc/default/locale |
| 16:22.48 | robinds | ompaul: I'm using debian.. fresh install |
| 16:22.57 | ompaul | robinds: valid settings in second column of /etc/locale.alias |
| 16:23.07 | ompaul | robinds: if it is fresh it should be right |
| 16:23.22 | ompaul | so I don't know how you got to where you are from where you wanted to be |
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| 16:28.50 | robinds | ompaul: I'm setting up exiftool and encountering problems with perl_locale -- seems fine now - ty! |
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| 16:29.23 | StijnH | PerfDave: my problem was that I had set the user's home directory to their FTP directory, so the owner wasn't root. Thank you. |
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| 16:35.43 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 16:36.04 | Bartzy | if there a package I need in wheezy (and I use squeeze), and it's not in the backports, I should backport it myself from wheezy, or that's a bad idea ? |
| 16:36.51 | PerfDave | Bartzy: As long as you backport it properly (i.e. compile from source) rather than try to install a wheezy binary package on squeeze, it's probably OK |
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| 16:37.29 | Bartzy | There's a way to backport the wheezy package to squeeze |
| 16:37.33 | ompaul | !ssb |
| 16:37.33 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 16:37.38 | Bartzy | the bot knows how |
| 16:37.39 | Bartzy | yeah |
| 16:37.48 | ompaul | and /msg the bot ;-) |
| 16:37.50 | Bartzy | why sid and not wheezy ? |
| 16:37.51 | PerfDave | Same as that, just wheezy not sid. |
| 16:38.10 | Bartzy | What's the difference to me ? |
| 16:38.11 | PerfDave | Bartzy: Because usually people want the Latest Shiny when backporting |
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| 16:38.34 | PerfDave | Bartzy: None really |
| 16:38.35 | Bartzy | wheezy is more stable than sid ? |
| 16:38.38 | Bartzy | ok... |
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| 16:39.01 | gnarface | nevermind guys i think i was just missing my nvidia-glx-ia32 |
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| 16:39.08 | Bartzy | PerfDave: Why not install a wheezy binary package on squeeze ? Because it's already compiled and will have library dependencies ? |
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| 16:39.47 | ompaul | Bartzy: and here is the fun part of backports, as it is outside the normal package chain updates will not happen unless you make it so, so, if you do that you need to keep an eye on the upstream package to insure you have latest patches etc and don't just overwrite one with another make sure you keep different versions in case you need to uninstall and start with an earlier version |
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| 16:40.42 | Bartzy | ompaul: OK, but uninstalls and installs are simply with dpkg -i , right ? |
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| 16:40.50 | jhutchins_wk | Bartzy: Backporting can adjust dependencies to use components that are part of squeeze instead of newer things that might be broken or break other packages. |
| 16:41.10 | jhutchins_wk | Bartzy: WHat package in particular? |
| 16:41.22 | PerfDave | Bartzy: Yes, backporting gives you a .deb package you can manipulate with dpkg and other tools. |
| 16:41.22 | ompaul | Bartzy: ^^ see that warning |
| 16:41.25 | Bartzy | jhutchins_wk: so using the instructions in !ssb is actually compiling from a debianized source, right ? |
| 16:41.41 | jhutchins_wk | Bartzy: Right. |
| 16:41.50 | Bartzy | jhutchins_wk: php5-fpm and maybe php5 itself :\ |
| 16:42.07 | ompaul | Bartzy: happy recompile every other day |
| 16:42.20 | PerfDave | Does squeeze not have php5? |
| 16:42.30 | PerfDave | Hell, my Lenny webserver seems to have PHP5 |
| 16:42.38 | ompaul | ,versions php5 |
| 16:42.39 | Bartzy | yeah, but I need php5-fpm |
| 16:42.39 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; sid: 5.3.6-7; sid: 5.3.8.0-1; wheezy: 5.3.8.0-1; experimental: 5.4.0~beta2-1 |
| 16:42.49 | ompaul | ,versions php5-fpm |
| 16:42.49 | Bartzy | ,versions php5-fpm |
| 16:42.50 | judd | Package: php5-fpm on i386 -- sid: 5.3.8.0-1+b1; wheezy: 5.3.8.0-1+b1; experimental: 5.4.0~beta2-1 |
| 16:42.53 | Bartzy | :< |
| 16:43.23 | Bartzy | So can I install php5-fpm backported from sid (with the instructions from the bot) in version 5.3.8 and php5 in version 5.3.3 (regular squeeze) ? |
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| 16:45.27 | jhutchins_wk | Nobody actually needs fpm. |
| 16:45.37 | PerfDave | Bartzy: You can try... if the php5 ABI used by php5-fpm has changed between 5.3.3 and 5.3.8 it may not ocmpile. |
| 16:45.49 | jhutchins_wk | We have been running PHP for decades without it. |
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| 16:46.33 | Bartzy | jhutchins_wk: with nginx ? |
| 16:46.46 | Bartzy | the spawn_fcgi stuff sucks.. |
| 16:46.48 | jhutchins_wk | yep. |
| 16:46.52 | Bartzy | fpm just works |
| 16:46.57 | PerfDave | Lots of people have been doing lots of stuff for decades, doesn't mean there isn't a better way of doing it ;) |
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| 16:48.27 | jhutchins_wk | Bartzy: how do you know that? |
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| 16:48.58 | Bartzy | jhutchins_wk: You use spawn-fcgi ? |
| 16:49.28 | jhutchins_wk | No idea, I'm an administrator, not a coder. |
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| 16:51.23 | jhutchins_wk | I use the PHP in oldstable and code that is flexible enough to run on it. |
| 16:51.35 | Bartzy | jhutchins_wk: Through FastCGI and nginx ? |
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| 16:52.22 | QUICKSTRE | FILM STREAMING! http://quickstream.altervista.org/ |
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| 16:56.54 | Bartzy | It's just weird that the debian packge for php 5.3.3 doesn't include FPM. it's included by default in the upstream |
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| 16:58.10 | Bartzy | OMG this beep is killing me |
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| 16:58.53 | Bartzy | I have a laptop, when I delete something from this IRC client for example, or from google chrome, I hear a very annoying beep from my headphones/speakers (and not the pc speaker if there is one..) |
| 16:58.56 | Bartzy | How can I disable it ? |
| 16:59.03 | Bartzy | I tried rmmod pcspkr but that doesn't help |
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| 17:45.18 | jhutchins_wk | I don't remember ever seeing this channel so dead. |
| 17:46.42 | surfdue | me either o.O |
| 17:46.59 | surfdue | anyone know the best way to enable coloring in shell for all users in squeeze |
| 17:47.04 | nkuttler | you must be new here :p |
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| 17:47.17 | nkuttler | surfdue: what exactly do you mean? |
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| 17:48.22 | surfdue | nkuttler: hmm like in centos (ew) default install the shell is colorful green for executable etc |
| 17:48.29 | surfdue | on ls mainly.. |
| 17:48.42 | surfdue | i dont see a color reference to comment out in /etc/bash.bashrc though |
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| 17:48.43 | jhutchins_wk | Yes, with the unreadable dark blue on black for color-ls |
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| 17:49.14 | nkuttler | surfdue: alias ls="ls --color" or something.. |
| 17:49.28 | nkuttler | put that into some global shellrc if you must |
| 17:49.38 | nkuttler | thinks users should configure their own shell |
| 17:49.40 | jhutchins_wk | surfdue: http://linux-sxs.org/housekeeping/lscolors.html |
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| 17:49.56 | Davidgul | hi |
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| 17:50.19 | surfdue | jhutchins_wk: where can I add taht to be be affectin gall users? |
| 17:50.20 | gadago | hi guys |
| 17:50.23 | surfdue | affecting all* |
| 17:50.35 | jhutchins_wk | surfdue: http://www.binbert.com/blog/2010/03/debian-lenny-colorful-bash-prompt-and-file-names/ http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=1552 |
| 17:50.45 | gadago | does anyone know anything about encrypting/signing email using gnupg on debian |
| 17:50.51 | jhutchins_wk | surfdue: /etc/bashrc |
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| 17:51.06 | surfdue | ah thanks jhutchins_wk |
| 17:51.11 | nkuttler | surfdue: /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 17:51.22 | gadago | I've found loads of stuff about the thunderbird enigmail plugin but it won't work with my version of thunderbird/icedove |
| 17:51.26 | Davidgul | someone can help me i have problems with debian, I try to connect to my user but it sais login incorrect |
| 17:51.32 | gadago | does anyone know any alternatives? |
| 17:51.47 | jhutchins_wk | surfdue: Actually it's bash.bashrc on debian. |
| 17:52.00 | jnewt | Davidgul: login as root, change your pwd |
| 17:52.09 | surfdue | jhutchins_wk: kinda thought so, what distro you use too :) |
| 17:52.14 | Davidgul | how ? |
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| 17:52.42 | jhutchins_wk | surfdue: Debian almost exclusively. I'm working on an RHEL project at the moment though. |
| 17:53.06 | jhutchins_wk | surfdue: Running kde and cygwin on W7. |
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| 17:53.20 | surfdue | ah! |
| 17:53.32 | surfdue | jhutchins_wk: its funny because my new users dont even have a bashrc file by default :/ |
| 17:53.34 | surfdue | sigh |
| 17:53.48 | Davidgul | how can i change my user password ? |
| 17:53.51 | jhutchins_wk | surfdue: It's hidden. |
| 17:53.55 | nkuttler | Davidgul: man passwd |
| 17:53.57 | jhutchins_wk | surfdue: There's also a system wide one. |
| 17:54.10 | surfdue | jhutchins_wk: no it didnt exist :P |
| 17:54.17 | Davidgul | but what i need to do ??? |
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| 17:54.35 | nkuttler | Davidgul: type man passwd, then read it |
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| 17:54.58 | riadh_ | hi, witch tool is appropriate to create 0xDA (non-fs data) partition for hard disk of 3TB ? (I tried with parted and gdisk (gptfdisk) with no success)) |
| 17:55.35 | nkuttler | riadh_: what do you mean by no success? |
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| 17:56.19 | jhutchins_wk | Davidgul: You can always google man passwd if you can't access the linux system. |
| 17:56.19 | riadh_ | nkuttler, this partition type is not recognized by thoses programs |
| 17:56.51 | Davidgul | I can acsses to my linux system as root |
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| 17:57.29 | forgotten | can you compile a kernel on a diff machine then copy it the machine u want? as long as u know what options it needs? |
| 17:57.33 | nkuttler | riadh_: hm.. no idea about that. try a different fdisk tool? |
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| 17:58.02 | nkuttler | forgotten: yes.. |
| 17:58.06 | jhutchins_wk | forgotten: Given that you're probably running a kernel now that was compiled on another machine, the answer is pretty obvious. |
| 17:58.13 | nkuttler | forgotten: is it the same architecture? |
| 17:58.28 | Davidgul | how can i exit from the passwd ??? |
| 17:58.28 | gadago | anyone know anything about gnupg heere for signing emails? |
| 17:58.32 | forgotten | well i was going to install a VM machine to do it |
| 17:58.44 | nkuttler | Davidgul: normally you type new password + enter |
| 17:58.50 | forgotten | to compile on a really face machine, then move back to this one |
| 17:58.55 | forgotten | fast*** |
| 17:59.12 | jhutchins_wk | gadago: I would suggest the gnupg documentation, it's meant to be pretty generic. |
| 17:59.42 | Davidgul | it dosent work |
| 17:59.52 | jhutchins_wk | Davidgul: Yes it does. |
| 18:00.02 | nkuttler | Davidgul: works for me |
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| 18:00.36 | Davidgul | but it dont give my to exit and go back to the consule |
| 18:00.57 | Davidgul | it ask me for log file what is it ?? |
| 18:01.08 | nkuttler | !tell Davidgul about errors |
| 18:01.26 | gadago | jhutchins: everything point to using a plugin called enigmail for thunderbird but it will not work with any version of thunderbird or icedove I can obtain |
| 18:01.34 | nkuttler | Davidgul: btw, what is your native language? |
| 18:01.54 | gadago | I was hoping for some suggestions of alternative software if possible |
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| 18:02.32 | jhutchins_wk | gadago: My best suggestion is still to read the documentation. |
| 18:02.44 | jhutchins_wk | gadago: You acn always encrypt and/or sign the text in a text editor. |
| 18:02.45 | th0mz | anybody could help me, im trying to start a service before antoher one. |
| 18:02.56 | Davidgul | so what can i do ?? |
| 18:02.58 | th0mz | I change the number in rc2.d, but it doest seems to work |
| 18:03.01 | nkuttler | th0mz: man update-rc.d |
| 18:03.08 | th0mz | oki i check |
| 18:03.09 | th0mz | thanks |
| 18:03.18 | nkuttler | Davidgul: read what the bot told you.. |
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| 18:09.11 | Davidgul | how can i chack for all my accounts |
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| 18:09.56 | Davidgul | In my system |
| 18:09.57 | Davidgul | ? |
| 18:10.10 | Davidgul | someone help ?????? |
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| 18:11.34 | Davidgul | Guys can you help me, how can I chack for all the users in my system |
| 18:11.36 | Davidgul | ? |
| 18:11.41 | th0mz | nkuttler: i keep having drbd after cman |
| 18:11.47 | th0mz | ^starting |
| 18:11.54 | th0mz | sorry to insist |
| 18:12.47 | jhutchins_wk | !il |
| 18:12.48 | dpkg | il is Israel. |
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| 18:14.00 | Davidgul | hi guys can some one help me, how can i chack for all the users in my system |
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| 18:14.39 | jhutchins_wk | !repeat |
| 18:14.40 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 18:14.49 | jhutchins_wk | Davidgul: Your question does not make any sense in English. |
| 18:15.21 | Davidgul | sorry but my english bad and broken |
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| 18:16.10 | Davidgul | i wont to know if there are someway to see all the users that i have in my system |
| 18:16.11 | Davidgul | ?? |
| 18:16.20 | babilen | Davidgul: You want to list all user accounts on your system? (getend passwd) |
| 18:16.35 | babilen | Davidgul: err, "getent passwd" that is (also read "man getent") |
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| 18:17.17 | jhutchins_wk | This will of course list system accounts as well. |
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| 18:18.22 | Davidgul | and how can i add another user to my system |
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| 18:19.12 | TehRabbitt | is the Testing (wheezy) installer broken? |
| 18:19.21 | TehRabbitt | it is saying the mirror has no support for wheezy |
| 18:19.26 | TehRabbitt | for any of the United states servers |
| 18:19.53 | jhutchins_wk | Davidgul: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
| 18:20.07 | jhutchins_wk | TehRabbitt: Yes. |
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| 18:21.29 | TehRabbitt | jhutchins_wk: so no installing wheezy ATM? |
| 18:21.59 | jhutchins_wk | TehRabbitt: Best to stick with squeeze. |
| 18:22.10 | TehRabbitt | gah |
| 18:22.15 | TehRabbitt | what broke exactly :-\ |
| 18:22.49 | Davidgul | jhutchins_wk : thanks |
| 18:22.54 | rly | jhutchins_wk: his question made sense. |
| 18:22.58 | jhutchins_wk | Problem regarding what testing actually is, which is testing, not Shiney New Software with Bigger Version Numbers. |
| 18:23.05 | rly | jhutchins_wk: you just wanted to have absolutely correct English. |
| 18:23.11 | Davidgul | jhutchins_wk: thanks |
| 18:23.13 | rly | jhutchins_wk: there is a name for such people, you know? |
| 18:23.21 | hanasaki | sup jhutchins_wk : sup |
| 18:23.28 | jhutchins_wk | hanasaki: Howdy. |
| 18:23.40 | hanasaki | what is the debain opensource policy for packages that are in debian? |
| 18:23.42 | jhutchins_wk | rly: No, I didn't know what he wanted to check. He didn't specify. |
| 18:24.24 | rly | jhutchins_wk: and do you speak English natively? |
| 18:24.31 | jhutchins_wk | rly: Yes. |
| 18:24.34 | rly | jhutchins_wk: I think it was abundantly clear the first time. |
| 18:24.38 | jhutchins_wk | !policy |
| 18:24.39 | dpkg | policy is the document that defines how Debian packages should (and must!) interact with each other and with the user to make sure we have a high-quality, stable distribution. You can find it at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ or in the debian-policy package. Those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. See also <best practices> <nmg> <mentors>. |
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| 18:24.50 | jhutchins_wk | rly: He had been asking about passwords. |
| 18:24.59 | hanasaki | is AGPLv3 compatible jhutchins |
| 18:25.13 | jhutchins_wk | hanasaki: I don't think that's specifically license related. |
| 18:25.18 | TehRabbitt | jhutchins: I was just wondering why the mirror was broken, thats all |
| 18:25.24 | TehRabbitt | if anyone knew |
| 18:25.38 | jhutchins_wk | hanasaki: Perhaps http://www.debian.org/legal/licenses/ |
| 18:25.39 | hanasaki | jhutchins looking for a debian package of zarafa |
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| 18:26.19 | jhutchins_wk | TehRabbitt: The testing installer is often out of sync with the testing software, as it doesn't know what it is actually going to be installing until the release is frozen. |
| 18:26.23 | hanasaki | its in ubuntu .. and gpl... don't see it anywhere for debian though |
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| 18:26.33 | jhutchins_wk | TehRabbitt: The purpose of it being available is to thest the install process itself. |
| 18:27.01 | jhutchins_wk | TehRabbitt: If you really think you want testing, you should install stable, then "upgrade". The upgrade process is more in sync with the testing packages. |
| 18:27.12 | jhutchins_wk | TehRabbitt: Be aware that it WILL break between now and when it's released. |
| 18:27.48 | TehRabbitt | very true, and I already have testing on my laptop, I just wanted to try it on my VM but noticed it wouldn't install |
| 18:27.48 | jhutchins_wk | TehRabbitt: If you don't know how to solve problems like being unable to reach the servers, you might not be ready to fix it when it does. |
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| 18:29.50 | jhutchins_wk | TehRabbitt: My guess would be problems with the VM's networking. |
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| 18:31.17 | TehRabbitt | Hm |
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| 18:39.57 | kupo | anyone help me repair a borked lilo because of degraded sw raid1 ? |
| 18:40.07 | kupo | refuses to boot with weird error |
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| 18:43.39 | jhambo | How can I fix "W: GPG error: http://mozilla.debian.net squeeze-backports Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1321788755" |
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| 18:45.06 | ChibaPet | Can someone help me figure out the proper place in /etc/pam.d to add in an additional authentication mechanism for GNU screen? I'm not finding the right place, evidently. I have ssh using the desired mechanism, but I'm not sure where to make the additional bits of config live such that they apply to screen(1). |
| 18:45.09 | zykotick9 | jhambo: got to mozilla.debian.net and there is a link to download the new key |
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| 18:45.59 | babilen | jhambo: Easiest is probably to download http://mozilla.debian.net/pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring_1.0_all.deb and install it. (dpkg -i) |
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| 18:47.05 | jhambo | thanks! |
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| 18:49.14 | JamesB | Howdy. Is there any version of Debian that supports AppArmor? I've been thinking of trying it instead of Ubuntu for the next VPS I have to set up, but that's a bit of a prereq and Google doesn't turn up anything recent. |
| 18:49.59 | ChibaPet | http://wiki.apparmor.net/index.php/Distro_debian |
| 18:50.20 | PerfDave | JamesB: What do you mean by "supports"? Given Apparmor is in upstream Linux, I doubt it's been removed from Debian's kernels. |
| 18:50.27 | babilen | !tell JamesB -about apparmor |
| 18:50.37 | JamesB | Oh is it? I'd thought it was initially just an Ubuntu patch. |
| 18:50.56 | JamesB | Nice, ok, that'll work then. Thanks |
| 18:51.14 | babilen | JamesB: You can probably backport apparmor-utils et al. from sid by following "/msg dpkg ssb" |
| 18:51.26 | babilen | ,versions apparmor-utils |
| 18:51.27 | judd | Package: apparmor-utils on i386 -- sid: 2.7.0~beta1+bzr1774-1+b1 |
| 18:51.30 | PerfDave | Ah, it's disabled in the kernel compile flags for the Debian binary packages |
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| 18:52.49 | babilen | JamesB: You probably also want to recompile a backported kernel (/msg dpkg bdo kernel) -- Read http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
| 18:53.13 | babilen | JamesB: So in short: Not really straighforward, but doable. Do you rely on it? |
| 18:53.42 | bmomjian | I have a postscript file that references my custom fonts; ghostscript displays the file fine, but evince doesn't use my custom fonts. Any ideas on the cause? |
| 18:54.14 | JamesB | Hmm. Oh, I thought it being in the stock kernel would mean it'd be there. |
| 18:54.37 | JamesB | Hmm, well, I'll take a look anyway. I might just end up using Ubuntu again if it looks like too much trouble |
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| 18:55.45 | jcranmer | I need help getting X to work on this computer |
| 18:55.49 | PerfDave | JamesB: It's in the stock kernel sources, but the option to enable it isn't in the binary kernels |
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| 18:55.59 | jcranmer | I think the problem is I don't have an nvidia driver properly installed |
| 18:56.06 | jcranmer | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 18:56.14 | jcranmer | ^^ I've been folowing that |
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| 18:56.23 | JamesB | Ah ok that's not as bad. I thought it'd be a 'have to patch it every time there's an update' thing |
| 18:56.24 | jcranmer | but it doesn't appear to have nvidia-kernel-<blah> |
| 18:56.25 | PerfDave | jcranmer: Ah, you're trying to use the proprietary nVidia drivers? |
| 18:56.26 | bmomjian | what is also odd is that ps2pdf also produces a file that doesn't use my custom fonts |
| 18:56.46 | jcranmer | PerfDave: I'm trying to do what requires the least future maintenance work |
| 18:56.57 | X4Fly | if i want to remove an entry in sources.list, is there a way to find out if there is any package still inside from this repository? |
| 18:57.18 | PerfDave | jcranmer: Which nVidia drivers are you trying to use, the free ones or the proprietary ones? |
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| 18:57.26 | babilen | !tell jcranmer -about nvidia dkms |
| 18:57.34 | jcranmer | judging from this Xorg.conf, the properietary one |
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| 18:57.44 | PerfDave | jcranmer: The free ones are probably better for long-term maintenance. |
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| 18:58.01 | babilen | jcranmer: Which GPU do you have? |
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| 18:58.29 | jcranmer | lspci says GeForce 9100 |
| 18:58.37 | babilen | checks support |
| 18:59.04 | jcranmer | also, I'm on testing right now |
| 18:59.09 | jcranmer | so I'm trying to go to Linux 3.0 |
| 18:59.23 | jcranmer | or, rather, 3.1.0-1-amd64 |
| 18:59.30 | TehRabbitt | apparently stable's installer is broken too :-\ or my internet is just really screwed up |
| 18:59.52 | babilen | jcranmer: Yeah, the nvidia version in squeeze should do nicely (cf. ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/195.36.31/README/README.txt) -- Our bot (dpkg) should have sent you installation and configuration instructions. But you already did something, didn't you? What? |
| 19:00.06 | PerfDave | jcranmer: If I were you, I'd go with nouveau rather than proprietary nvidia if long-term maintenance is your concern. |
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| 19:00.59 | jcranmer | alsoo |
| 19:01.01 | babilen | jcranmer: Ah, in that case: wheezy/sid specific support is done in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net -- You have to adapt the instructions dpkg told you about to install the correct kernel header package (essentially just remove the -2.6-) |
| 19:01.15 | jcranmer | beats gdm3 to a very bloody pulp |
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| 19:02.18 | jcranmer | I liked gdm's displaying of the X server error message |
| 19:02.31 | jcranmer | gdm3 instead tries to reboot the xserver each time it crashes |
| 19:02.46 | babilen | jcranmer: It makes sense to install two kernel-related metapackages (namely linux-image-amd64 and linux-headers-amd64) to ensure that you have the latest kernel installed and that headers are in sync. |
| 19:03.02 | jcranmer | yay, finally, an Xserver |
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| 19:04.16 | babilen | jcranmer: Please note that you don't necessarily need a complete (and often redundant/wrong) /etc/X11/xorg.conf anymore, but that you should/could configure specific devices in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ (/msg dpkg xorg.conf.d) |
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| 19:13.00 | TommyW | anyone hanging around that is familiar with preseed? |
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| 19:16.02 | Iw4sn0t | TommyW: what do you need ? |
| 19:16.35 | Iw4sn0t | I've used it some times for my needs |
| 19:17.09 | TommyW | Iw4sn0t, trying to preseed out the initial keyoard layout prompt, but having a hard time finding the right incantation |
| 19:17.29 | TommyW | in squeeze |
| 19:17.39 | Iw4sn0t | yes, sometimes I've had the same issue and have used installer boot parameters instead |
| 19:17.40 | kupo | anyone help me repair a borked lilo because of degraded sw raid1 ? |
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| 19:18.15 | Iw4sn0t | TommyW: don't know where it's documented, maybe in the installer man ual, you can preseed lang, keyb, etc from boot parameters |
| 19:18.53 | TommyW | Iw4sn0t, any hint on the kernel option... okay, I will take another peek. The option from lenny does not seem to work... :/ |
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| 19:20.16 | Iw4sn0t | TommyW: they are not "kernel" boot parameters, they are like the help you see with F1, F2, F3, etc |
| 19:20.41 | Iw4sn0t | I mean... initrd boot parameters, not "kernel modules" parameters or the like |
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| 19:21.25 | TommyW | right right... sorry. I set the pxe server up so long ago... its mostly copy paste to keep stuff up to date. |
| 19:22.03 | Iw4sn0t | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apbs02.html.en#preseed-aliases |
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| 19:22.31 | vice | hello!, my video output is very slow! i have got a ati graphics processor ant want to use xvba.. How can i use XVBA?? |
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| 19:25.38 | TommyW | Iw4sn0t, got it ( I think ) got to add 'auto=true' and 'priority={level}' (I went with 'critical') to make it bypass the keymap prompt. Seems to use the preseed keymap settings. |
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| 19:26.09 | TommyW | to initrd options that is |
| 19:26.19 | surfdue | I am using debian as ahost system for openvz how do i enable quota |
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| 19:26.39 | Iw4sn0t | TommyW: if that worked be happy. If I remember OK I've some preseed file with 20 or more d-i console-setup/* lines |
| 19:27.22 | TommyW | Iw4sn0t, yea. Been there, and done that... Makes me wonder what I can go back and take out of mine now.... cheers! |
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| 19:27.58 | TommyW | thankfully the partman preseeding actually seems to work as documented in squeeze |
| 19:28.16 | surfdue | anyone firmiliar how to add the quota option to the openvz kernel I am using 2.6.32-5-openvz-amd64 |
| 19:28.44 | Iw4sn0t | a pertman... and its recipes... I wish a YAML based partman |
| 19:29.08 | Iw4sn0t | surfdue: install userland, enable in fstab |
| 19:29.50 | surfdue | Iw4sn0t: why userland and not quota? |
| 19:30.30 | Iw4sn0t | userland is an alias for any program that runs in user space ram memory.... like the "quota-tools" package or whatever |
| 19:30.56 | surfdue | this will not intefere with openvz? |
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| 19:31.10 | surfdue | lwithers_: im guessing its not a package 'userland" |
| 19:31.17 | surfdue | does debian have package "groups" |
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| 19:32.01 | Iw4sn0t | is the deployment of your openvz based on ask on irc and test in production ? |
| 19:32.18 | surfdue | this is not a production server yet |
| 19:32.24 | Iw4sn0t | i can just recomend you a "pre-production" env to test, in every opensoirce based project |
| 19:32.34 | Iw4sn0t | "opensource" |
| 19:32.53 | thewanderer1 | surfdue, quota is handled in OpenVZ just as it is without OpenVZ, except that vzquota (for managing per-VE quota) is a different beast |
| 19:33.01 | thewanderer1 | vzquota is broken though, don't use it. |
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| 19:33.16 | surfdue | thewanderer1: ok, the vz's are in /home/vz |
| 19:33.32 | surfdue | and /home is a partition and it only has defaults no quota option |
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| 19:34.01 | thewanderer1 | surfdue, What Are You Trying To Do? |
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| 19:34.22 | surfdue | thewanderer1: make my filesystem for /home quota enabled so that my openvz container can have quotas |
| 19:34.34 | surfdue | i have to enable it on the host system (debian) file system first |
| 19:34.37 | klemax | Hello, if the application needs newer binutils and I compile it against newer binutils, can I use this application on my current binutils after compiling against newer binutils? |
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| 19:34.43 | thewanderer1 | surfdue, do you want quotas for users inside your VE, or quota for the *whole* VE? |
| 19:34.57 | surfdue | thewanderer1: inside |
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| 19:35.15 | surfdue | well i guess both technically.. but the main thing is i need the ve's container to be quota enabled |
| 19:35.22 | PerfDave | klemax: I would expect not. |
| 19:35.43 | thewanderer1 | surfdue, enable it in /etc/fstab as usual, then... and configure DISK_QUOTA in the ve config |
| 19:36.13 | surfdue | thewanderer1: like manual edit /etc/fstab or run mount -o remount,usrquota /home |
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| 19:37.02 | thewanderer1 | surfdue, edit fstab and then run the remount command |
| 19:37.23 | klemax | PerfDave: but newer binutils is just a build require. |
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| 19:38.07 | surfdue | thewanderer1: how can i check to make sure it worked |
| 19:38.48 | thewanderer1 | surfdue, if you get errors from OpenVZ when trying to enable quota within the containers, it probably didn't :P |
| 19:38.52 | PerfDave | klemax: Suck it and see. |
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| 19:39.12 | surfdue | thewanderer1: do I need to load the quota module in kernel or anything |
| 19:39.35 | surfdue | thewanderer1: for example modprobe quota_v2 ? I am just reading over this guide but trying to modify it for my usecase |
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| 19:40.32 | Amnesia | question, why the heck isn't debian archiving patched versions of interpreters? |
| 19:40.33 | thewanderer1 | surfdue, in my experience, you don't need to load any modules... it's a miracle that this RHEL-designed OpenVZ kludge works on Debian, anyway! |
| 19:40.37 | Amnesia | http://www.ixwebhosting.mobi/ruby-hash-algorithm-broke-dos-denial-of-service-attack-vulnerability/ <- |
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| 19:41.28 | surfdue | thewanderer1: quotacheck: Cannot guess format from filename on /dev/sda2 <-- its ext 4 |
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| 19:42.10 | thewanderer1 | surfdue, is ext4 supported for quota in OpenVZ? last time I checked, it was not (and it caused fat ugly kernel panics) |
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| 19:43.19 | surfdue | thewanderer1: yes since 2.6.32 |
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| 19:44.09 | thewanderer1 | surfdue, did you run quotaon on the host before doing that on the guest? |
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| 19:44.44 | Amnesia | anyone.. |
| 19:44.47 | Amnesia | cause this is rubbish. |
| 19:45.34 | surfdue | no |
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| 19:46.47 | surfdue | thewanderer1: quotaon: Quota format not supported in kernel. <-- on the host system |
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| 19:47.43 | thewanderer1 | surfdue, try loading that "quota_v2" module, then... sounds like some outdated crap |
| 19:50.21 | surfdue | thewanderer1: ok did that and now I get quotaon: Cannot find quota file on /home [/dev/sda2] to turn quotas on/off. |
| 19:50.53 | thewanderer1 | surfdue, quotacheck first? |
| 19:51.18 | surfdue | thewanderer1: quotacheck: Cannot guess format from filename on /dev/sda2. Please specify format on commandline. <-- does this want me to specify ext4 ? |
| 19:52.11 | surfdue | thewanderer1: ah the options are vfsold, vfsv0, vfsv1 rpc and xfs |
| 19:52.24 | surfdue | i think I have heard of xfs before... what should I use with openvz/debian ? |
| 19:52.41 | thewanderer1 | try vfsold I think... |
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| 19:53.05 | thewanderer1 | I haven't messed with quota for years and I've been a glad man... |
| 19:53.19 | surfdue | thewanderer1: http://wiki.openvz.org/Disk_quota at the bottom, |
| 19:53.25 | surfdue | does that mean I should use xfs? |
| 19:53.35 | Amnesia | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:53.50 | thewanderer1 | surfdue, uh no |
| 19:54.02 | thewanderer1 | it means you can NOT use xfs if you want quota |
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| 19:54.33 | thewanderer1 | honestly though, use a normal howto for enabling quota on your /home fs, then go back to the OpenVZ-specific howto |
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| 19:54.57 | surfdue | thewanderer1: i cant find a how to or enabled quota on debian :/ |
| 19:55.00 | surfdue | that is updated** |
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| 19:56.29 | thewanderer1 | surfdue, remove the quota file on /home, start over |
| 19:56.36 | thewanderer1 | surfdue, should be in /home/.aquota or so |
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| 19:57.13 | bitcycle | Is it possible to deploy a single package to multiple hosts using cfengine + dpkg instead of cfengine + apt-get? |
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| 20:00.59 | DjSt3rios | Hey everybody. I want to ask something, I recently Purchased a Cisco firewall, and i use it with windows OS. It doesn't really protect me too much from DDoS protections, so i wanted to ask, if I install debian will it help somehow in preventing DDoS Attacks? Like If I use iptables etc. |
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| 20:01.51 | thewanderer1 | DjSt3rios, read some docs on iptables, then you'll know :P |
| 20:02.03 | Iw4sn0t | DjSt3rios: there are some kind of DDoS where the OS in the end point does not matter |
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| 20:02.08 | DjSt3rios | ehmm, i hate reading :p |
| 20:02.16 | DjSt3rios | well I know |
| 20:02.19 | DjSt3rios | I just thought |
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| 20:02.31 | DjSt3rios | maybe debian could 'assist' in defending ddos attacks |
| 20:02.36 | DjSt3rios | I was a little bit dissapointed |
| 20:02.43 | thewanderer1 | if you mean "limit connection rates", then maybe |
| 20:02.46 | DjSt3rios | I bought a firewall 500 euros |
| 20:03.09 | dondelelcaro | DjSt3rios: you can certaily set up iptables rules to defend against some kinds of dos attacks, but others require your upstream provider to shed traffic |
| 20:03.18 | DjSt3rios | hmm |
| 20:03.23 | Iw4sn0t | there is lartc.org to start reading, and also some pre-packaged scripts and GUIs to help on that with debian |
| 20:03.35 | DjSt3rios | ok I think i will give a try to install Debian |
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| 20:04.29 | thewanderer1 | DjSt3rios, if you really hate reading, Debian is not for you. get Vyatta (based on Debian) which is a no-brainer, and buy a support package. |
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| 20:04.57 | Iw4sn0t | anyway, even with debian, a connections based on bandwitch attack, needs a more complex solution than a single single firewall with a single routing table |
| 20:05.19 | DjSt3rios | nah, it's ok :P |
| 20:05.31 | DjSt3rios | hmm |
| 20:05.33 | thewanderer1 | yes, a solution called "walk up to the offender and punch him real hard" |
| 20:05.56 | DjSt3rios | hheh |
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| 20:06.31 | Iw4sn0t | sudo dragon_flying_kick "$broadcast_addr" |
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| 20:10.43 | Iw4sn0t | DjSt3rios: with 500 euros maybe you can return your cisco, and buy a bigger internet connection (?) and use any refurbished PC as debian gateway |
| 20:10.46 | surfdue | thewanderer1: i just assume ill never gett this working :( http://pastebin.com/Tc4LeQ5N |
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| 20:11.12 | Iw4sn0t | or 3 refurbished PCs with 3 different TCP stacks (O.S.s) harddened in stack |
| 20:11.42 | surfdue | thewanderer1: here is my fstab http://pastebin.com/ifpWrw13 |
| 20:11.47 | thewanderer1 | surfdue, mount /home with "quota" |
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| 20:12.45 | Iw4sn0t | openvz quotas still ... /me puts thewanderer1 a "#debian support"++ medal |
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| 20:14.25 | forgotten | would it be hard to get an nvidia geforce gtx 275 working under debian? |
| 20:14.37 | surfdue | thewanderer1: ok `mount` states i have quota usrquota and grpquota and still `quotacheck -vagum` errors. |
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| 20:15.08 | thewanderer1 | surfdue, try actual "quota" option besides usrquota |
| 20:15.17 | Iw4sn0t | forgotten: with most nvidia models you should have 3 options... check wiki,search engines, lists, etc for your specific model +debian (?) |
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| 20:15.43 | Iw4sn0t | forgotten: no DRI at all, nouveadu or the vendor one |
| 20:15.54 | surfdue | thewanderer1: no luck |
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| 20:16.27 | thewanderer1 | surfdue, uhh, let me try the actual commands so that I know what's up |
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| 20:17.21 | forgotten | hrmm |
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| 20:19.01 | forgotten | http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-275.09.07-driver.html |
| 20:19.06 | forgotten | ? good yes? |
| 20:19.14 | thewanderer1 | hell no |
| 20:19.29 | thewanderer1 | install nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 20:19.43 | Woet | DjSt3rios: if you want to beat DDoS, start with getting a 10 gigabit uplink. Then buy equipment especially built for it such as Riorey or Arbor Networks |
| 20:19.45 | forgotten | well i dont have the box even installed yet lol |
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| 20:19.54 | DjSt3rios | lol |
| 20:19.57 | DjSt3rios | I am not rich :) |
| 20:20.00 | DjSt3rios | :(* |
| 20:20.02 | Woet | then you won't be able to beat DDoS. |
| 20:20.12 | DjSt3rios | I guessed so lol |
| 20:20.13 | DjSt3rios | Well |
| 20:20.21 | DjSt3rios | Actually a friend of mine paid 500 euros for a firewall |
| 20:20.22 | Woet | you can beat very simple attacks and low bandwidth ones at most |
| 20:20.24 | DjSt3rios | and he is using linux |
| 20:20.28 | surfdue | thewanderer1: i am honestly beat i dont know what the next step is |
| 20:20.30 | Woet | those firewalls will not do a thing. |
| 20:20.33 | DjSt3rios | and he dont feel anything at all |
| 20:20.45 | Woet | they are usually stateful and will not stand up against big attacks |
| 20:20.45 | DjSt3rios | anyway |
| 20:20.48 | linux00002 | is there a way to list the files in a package if the package isn't installed? |
| 20:20.50 | Woet | DjSt3rios: has he gotten 8 gigabit attacks? |
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| 20:20.59 | DjSt3rios | I am not sure |
| 20:21.04 | Woet | DjSt3rios: if you buy such cheap protection, all the attacker does it increase attack size until you go down |
| 20:21.04 | linux00002 | normally i'd use dpkg -S, but that only works if a package is installed |
| 20:21.07 | DjSt3rios | but he had big attacks as far as I know |
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| 20:21.14 | Iw4sn0t | linux00002: apt-file |
| 20:21.18 | Woet | big is an opinion |
| 20:21.42 | DjSt3rios | Do you have any good firewall or linux app to suggest in order to help with ddos attacks? |
| 20:21.43 | linux00002 | Iw4sn0t: thanks |
| 20:21.48 | DjSt3rios | i heard Cisco guard is a good firewall |
| 20:21.49 | forgotten | depends on the type of attack.. obsd + packet filter is a powerful choice |
| 20:22.06 | forgotten | or fbsd |
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| 20:22.09 | Woet | DjSt3rios: how big is your biggest attack? |
| 20:22.36 | DjSt3rios | I am not sure to tell, but my connection has 100mbps, so i guess that's the maximum size of attack I can actually receive |
| 20:22.42 | thewanderer1 | surfdue, hmm, so ext4, right? do you get "Your kernel probably supports journaled quota but you are not using it" at any point? |
| 20:22.45 | Iw4sn0t | there are reverse effects like handsakes... that distributed... |
| 20:23.04 | Woet | DjSt3rios: yes, so no matter what you buy or build, the attack will easily saturate your uplink and will take you down. |
| 20:23.07 | surfdue | thewanderer1: yes |
| 20:23.08 | surfdue | i do |
| 20:23.13 | Woet | even if you buy a 200k firewall. |
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| 20:23.28 | DjSt3rios | hmmm |
| 20:23.34 | thewanderer1 | surfdue, did you override it with -m ? |
| 20:23.41 | DjSt3rios | yes but if I upgrade to 1gbpds |
| 20:23.43 | DjSt3rios | 1gbps |
| 20:23.48 | DjSt3rios | will it actually 'help' ? |
| 20:23.49 | surfdue | no |
| 20:23.59 | surfdue | thewanderer1: oh ya |
| 20:24.00 | Woet | DjSt3rios: that will help, but it depends on the attacker. plenty of them have more than 1 gigabit |
| 20:24.07 | surfdue | on quotacheck i am running it with vagum |
| 20:24.07 | DjSt3rios | hmm |
| 20:24.11 | DjSt3rios | I think i get attacked by booters |
| 20:24.27 | DjSt3rios | because my work ain't really serious |
| 20:24.33 | DjSt3rios | it's just a game server i got |
| 20:24.48 | DjSt3rios | i don't really think there is a big serious attacker that is against me |
| 20:24.57 | thewanderer1 | surfdue, ok, now run `quotaon -a` |
| 20:24.57 | DjSt3rios | its probably a kid who bought a booter just to take me down |
| 20:25.04 | Woet | DjSt3rios: well, then upgrading to 1 gigabit and installing csf with strict rules would help |
| 20:25.12 | DjSt3rios | hmmmm |
| 20:25.21 | DjSt3rios | still, the firewall supports 100mbps |
| 20:25.23 | Tiberio | hi all, some years ago I received many notification mails in my root mailbox. I reinstalled a new debian disk but I've got no notification... What I have to change? |
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| 20:25.26 | DjSt3rios | then I would need a new one |
| 20:25.29 | Woet | csf is a software firewall using iptables |
| 20:25.31 | surfdue | thewanderer1: http://pastebin.com/6XmrKnYw |
| 20:25.31 | Woet | and it's free. |
| 20:25.35 | DjSt3rios | hmmm |
| 20:25.37 | taher | hi there |
| 20:25.41 | DjSt3rios | i'll see then |
| 20:25.43 | DjSt3rios | Thanks for the help |
| 20:25.46 | thewanderer1 | DjSt3rios, as opposed to a Debian box which you can upgrade to 1Gbps easily using a $15 NIC... |
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| 20:26.02 | DjSt3rios | I have a dedicated server |
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| 20:26.08 | Woet | thewanderer1: all proper motherboards have 1 gigabit onboard nowadays :p |
| 20:26.15 | surfdue | thewanderer1: http://pastebin.com/4xZuLz04 |
| 20:26.16 | DjSt3rios | and 1gbps costs like 100 euros/month |
| 20:26.19 | taher | please i want to download an iso file for debian , where i can find it? |
| 20:26.21 | Woet | get a better provider |
| 20:26.22 | Woet | :) |
| 20:26.24 | DjSt3rios | except if you told me something else and i didn't understand |
| 20:26.29 | DjSt3rios | ehmm |
| 20:26.31 | DjSt3rios | difficult to happen :P |
| 20:26.59 | taher | can anyone help me, please? |
| 20:27.09 | thewanderer1 | surfdue, does /home/aquota.user exist? |
| 20:27.40 | thewanderer1 | taher, debian.org and navigate via the links... |
| 20:27.46 | surfdue | thewanderer1: yes the second group in my paste is a ls -lai of /home |
| 20:28.00 | thewanderer1 | uh ok |
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| 20:28.39 | thewanderer1 | surfdue, try removing them, remount without quota, then mount with quota again and redo the procedure |
| 20:29.09 | taher | thewanderer1, thank yuo , but i want an iso file , there is many files ... i can't know what to choose |
| 20:29.38 | thewanderer1 | taher, what computer do you want to install Debian in? are you installing with network connected? |
| 20:29.49 | taher | no |
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| 20:29.56 | taher | on a disktop |
| 20:30.05 | surfdue | thewanderer1: ok |
| 20:30.10 | taher | 64 bit architecture |
| 20:31.28 | thewanderer1 | taher, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/amd64/bt-dvd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent or if you can't use torrents, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
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| 20:34.06 | bsdnux_ | on apache2 i used NameVirtualHost *, which never was a problem so far as i only got one site with ssl. now i have to add another ssl enabled site, which according to the info i found in the web only works when using *:80 and :443 (i tried to simply use *:443 for the ssl sites, which didn't work). so i changed all vhosts to *:80, set NameVirtualHost *:80 and restarted apache, which got me a load of "[warn] _default_ VirtualHost overla |
| 20:34.06 | bsdnux_ | port 80, the first has precedence". now if i understand it correctly, this error usually means that one has to set *:80 instead of *, which i did. what else could be the problem? ie: i had * and i changed it to *:80 and *:443 along with <VirtualHost *:80> etc, and now i get these errors |
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| 20:39.13 | fumanchu182 | Is wiki.debian.org down? I'm getting no ping reply after seeing problems in the browser. |
| 20:40.28 | kgust | fumanchu182: It would appear it is down: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/wiki.debian.org |
| 20:41.08 | fumanchu182 | *sad panda* was looking at articles on SSL Keys. |
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| 20:41.41 | nvictor | hey |
| 20:41.52 | nvictor | something is running on port 8000 on my machine |
| 20:41.57 | nvictor | how can i kill it? |
| 20:42.09 | mjt | it depends on what it is |
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| 20:43.30 | nvictor | mjt: i am not sure |
| 20:43.37 | ompaul | nvictor: netstat -an | grep 8000 and see if you want to kill it |
| 20:43.41 | nvictor | it might be an old instance of vagrant |
| 20:43.51 | nvictor | ok thanks ompaul |
| 20:43.55 | mjt | netstat -anp | grep 8000 |
| 20:43.59 | mjt | missing p |
| 20:44.07 | mjt | (as root) |
| 20:45.09 | ompaul | nvictor: what he said |
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| 20:46.52 | nvictor | ompaul, mjt: i did and it complained about the missing protocol |
| 20:46.58 | nvictor | i tried http and it failed |
| 20:47.01 | nvictor | but tcp worked |
| 20:47.11 | nvictor | but i am wondering if that's what i want |
| 20:47.15 | mjt | who it? |
| 20:47.18 | nvictor | the program is tcp4 something |
| 20:47.29 | mjt | no it is not |
| 20:47.37 | nvictor | ok :) |
| 20:47.53 | nvictor | it's a system daemon or something then |
| 20:47.59 | nvictor | that's strange |
| 20:48.14 | nvictor | i can't run vagrant who kept complaining about that port not being available |
| 20:48.15 | mjt | please give output of netstat -anp | grep 8000 |
| 20:48.29 | nvictor | tcp4 0 0 *.8000 *.* LISTEN |
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| 20:49.06 | mjt | that's not as root |
| 20:49.38 | nvictor | ah |
| 20:49.39 | nvictor | :D |
| 20:49.46 | ompaul | and the winner is? |
| 20:50.35 | ompaul | nvictor: care to say what you saw? |
| 20:50.56 | nvictor | cp4 0 0 *.8000 *.* LISTEN |
| 20:51.00 | nvictor | tcp4 |
| 20:51.04 | nvictor | i'm root |
| 20:51.15 | nvictor | btw i didn't say it |
| 20:51.21 | nvictor | but i'm not on a debian system :D |
| 20:51.27 | nvictor | mac os x here |
| 20:51.35 | nvictor | but i am thinking it doesn't matter much |
| 20:51.50 | mjt | that's completely wrong |
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| 20:52.01 | nvictor | ok |
| 20:52.09 | mjt | netstat is one of the commands with system-dependent options |
| 20:52.20 | mjt | and the way to show who listens on each port is heavily system-dependent |
| 20:52.32 | nvictor | ah i didn't know |
| 20:52.36 | mjt | netstat -p is linux-specifix |
| 20:52.39 | nvictor | well let me ask them then |
| 20:52.45 | mjt | -p is for "process" |
| 20:53.01 | ompaul | nvictor: this is #debian just in case and you can type man netstat and it might help you where you are |
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| 20:53.43 | mjt | i highly doubt their netstat has some similar option |
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| 21:08.35 | mohsen_hassani | When I try using festival on my VPS, i get this error: Linux: can't open /dev/dsp I'm not sure if I have a sound card on my VPS or Do I really need a sound card...I'm using festival to produce sound and send it to a browser |
| 21:08.36 | Tiberio | hi all, how to activate system notification by mail (to root; it's ok)? |
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| 21:17.08 | mohsen_hassani | I have this file /dev/dsp linked to /dev/dsp0 on my VPS, but when I use festival I get the error Linux: can't open /dev/dsp |
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| 21:18.00 | mohsen_hassani | Do I need a sound card installed on my VPS for using festival? |
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| 21:27.56 | kj4 | hello |
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| 21:34.07 | surfdue | is there a problem in changing ext4 on /home in /etc/fstab to ext3? |
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| 21:35.02 | phogg | surfdue: maybe, bordering on likely. |
| 21:35.33 | surfdue | how can i test it? |
| 21:35.37 | surfdue | just try to unmount and remount |
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| 21:37.14 | kj4 | !ops |
| 21:37.15 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
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| 21:37.36 | kj4 | dpkg: ops $problem |
| 21:37.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: kj4 complains about: $problem |
| 21:38.00 | mentor | eyes kj4 suspiciously |
| 21:38.15 | LoRez | eyes kj4 with a /kline in his hand |
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| 21:40.05 | project2501a | grabs the cluestick |
| 21:40.51 | Woet | sigh |
| 21:40.57 | phogg | amazing |
| 21:44.57 | thewanderer1 | surfdue, have you retried all the steps? |
| 21:45.37 | surfdue | thewanderer1: i am past the host issue now, aparently u dont need the host to have permissions its suggested that you dont infact |
| 21:45.59 | surfdue | im now having issues from within the openvz container while trying to install a control panel software, it seems im having mass chown issues or something |
| 21:46.09 | thewanderer1 | surfdue, what control panel? |
| 21:46.20 | Woet | surfdue: why are you asking here? |
| 21:46.29 | Woet | from #centos |
| 21:46.29 | Woet | [20:23:09] <surfdue> Hello! I am running centos 6 on a openvz container.. seems that quotas arnt working |
| 21:46.49 | thewanderer1 | aha! |
| 21:46.54 | Woet | and also from #centos |
| 21:46.55 | Woet | [20:26:22] <glc_> OpenVZ.org has a wiki and a forum. All OpenVZ questions should be directed there. |
| 21:47.11 | Woet | [20:33:35] <jbroome> surfdue: #openvz |
| 21:47.23 | surfdue | Woet: im not asking here for the vz im telling thewanderer1 what happened.. |
| 21:47.27 | Woet | so i have no clue why you are asking #debian when you're running centos with openvz |
| 21:47.36 | surfdue | my host system is still debian, reguardless of the client beint centos |
| 21:47.56 | surfdue | Woet: If you look up you will see that i asked about ext4 to 3.. on my host system which is debian |
| 21:48.00 | surfdue | thanks detective :) |
| 21:48.05 | Woet | not a problem |
| 21:48.06 | zaltekk | how can i install php without apache? |
| 21:48.15 | zaltekk | apt-get install php5 wants to force me into getting apache |
| 21:48.21 | surfdue | Woet: your detective work led you to a mis-assumption |
| 21:48.25 | Woet | apt-get install php5-cli |
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| 21:48.31 | thewanderer1 | zaltekk, apt-get install php5-cgi or php5-cli depending on which you want |
| 21:48.45 | zaltekk | ah, so php5 assumes i want mod_php? |
| 21:49.13 | thewanderer1 | zaltekk, no, it's a metapackage that depends on either of those. it chooses the first available. |
| 21:49.18 | Woet | surfdue: so if i wouldn't have interrupted you, you wouldn't have answered thewanderer1's question and you would have told him it's unrelated to debian. right? |
| 21:49.22 | zaltekk | okay |
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| 21:49.55 | thewanderer1 | surfdue, changing ext4 to ext3 is unsupported, you should not do that if extents are used. and on Debian, they are... |
| 21:50.16 | surfdue | thewanderer1: ok thanks, i dont even know if i need to i just was pre-emptively asking |
| 21:50.26 | zaltekk | strange though, neither of those options require apache |
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| 22:01.46 | nickermire | Hi all, I'm trying to install the ATIProprietary drivers for squeeze and when i stop the gdm3 and do the modprobe it says that it is still in use |
| 22:01.59 | nickermire | how do i work around this problem |
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| 22:05.24 | nickermi1e | Hi all, I'm trying to install the ATIProprietary drivers for squeeze and when i stop the gdm3 and do the modprobe it says that it is still in use |
| 22:05.29 | nickermi1e | sorry got disconnected |
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| 22:07.20 | nickermi1e | Hi all, I'm trying to install the ATIProprietary drivers for squeeze and when i stop the gdm3 and do the modprobe it says that it is still in use |
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| 22:07.30 | nickermi1e | anybody have any ideas? |
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| 22:12.51 | fumanchu182 | I'm not to familiar with editing sources.list for apt, would anyone be able to pastebin their config file so I can see what strings need to change from squeeze to wheezy? |
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| 22:18.37 | fumanchu182 | I am going to assume just a string replacement of "squeeze" to "wheezy" will do the trick. |
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| 22:19.20 | thisthat | pretty much fumanchu |
| 22:19.43 | thisthat | will have to remove the volatile sources because i don't think unstable has that |
| 22:19.45 | fumanchu182 | Except for "main" i learned. just commented those out. |
| 22:19.56 | fumanchu182 | Exactly just what you said. |
| 22:20.29 | abrotman | !tell fumanchu182 about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 22:21.16 | fumanchu182 | abrotman, noted, ty for the help |
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| 22:23.33 | thisthat | !tell thisthat about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 22:26.41 | JoshuaP | IS there a way to clone root? |
| 22:26.59 | Woet | what is your actual question? |
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| 22:28.53 | abrotman | A_thing: clone for what reason ? |
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| 22:29.57 | Tacroy | hi |
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| 22:30.27 | A_thing | abrotman, to make a cooler username? Idk Lol i was just wondering how root is server god so I figure if i clone root, i can figure out how to give a user such rights. Like users that manage the server and forget the su passwd a lot |
| 22:30.41 | A_thing | ik about sudo but JW |
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| 22:30.54 | abrotman | uh .. |
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| 22:35.58 | himik | hey ppl, give me advice please. I what install debian on home PC. Squeeze or Wheezy, which is better...? |
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| 22:36.27 | nickermire | Can anybody help me modprobe -r radeon drm |
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| 22:39.20 | ptaylor | himik: whatever works for you. But I'd stick with Stable and use Wheezy |
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| 22:42.22 | abrotman | himik: if you have to ask, squeeze |
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| 22:44.25 | himik | thanks ppl, I'll try both... |
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| 22:54.21 | jair | hello guys, I am working in my debian laptop and I am trying to configure the wireless adapter using wpasupplicant commands in the "/etc/network/interfaces" file |
| 22:56.38 | PerfDave | Any particular reason for that jair? |
| 22:57.10 | jair | this is how the interfaces file looks like: http://paste.debian.net/150519/ |
| 22:57.51 | jair | PerfDave: because I am using psk phrase and I have a wireless router that can be configure to use passphrase |
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| 22:58.33 | PerfDave | jair: I mean why are you using /etc/network/interfaces rather than network-manager or similar? |
| 22:59.09 | jair | PerfDave: I don't need to add a gui to my laptop to configure the adapters :( |
| 22:59.18 | PerfDave | No, you don't ;) |
| 22:59.26 | jair | PerfDave: I normally do it using iwconfig |
| 22:59.31 | jair | wireless-tools |
| 22:59.40 | abrotman | !tell jair about wpa |
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| 23:01.50 | JonathanD | 834 |
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| 23:05.01 | jair | abrotman: I am following the document but still not luck I will copy again the passphrase make sure I did not miss a number or letter :( |
| 23:05.14 | jair | PerfDave: what do you use network-manager? |
| 23:05.25 | PerfDave | jair: Yep |
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| 23:07.14 | Na_Klar | What does this system message mean? http://codepad.org/7ttWzT6x (/var/log/messages) |
| 23:07.53 | kasploosh | jair: I used /etc/network/interfaces and wpasupplicant to do static laptop networking. It looked like this: http://paste.debian.net/150520/ |
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| 23:12.15 | jair | kasploosh: thank you for your post, I got mine to work, the mistake was in "essid" it is "ssid" I removed the "e" and restart the system |
| 23:12.48 | jair | abrotman: thank you for the info it was me thinking something was wrong with the "ssid" in wpasupplicant that is the correct way |
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| 23:13.53 | SeySayux | Why is the software supplied with Debian three years out of date, and a more recent version for unknown reasons absent from backports? |
| 23:14.10 | jair | PerfDave: so I am good to go now :P |
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| 23:14.45 | Na_Klar | seysayux, I assume you use the stable version of debian? |
| 23:15.16 | jair | PerfDave: not need of extra software like network-manager :P, thank you anyway though for asking. Have a good one |
| 23:15.32 | SeySayux | Na_Klar: yup |
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| 23:16.07 | Na_Klar | seysayux, so this version only use stable software. If you want to use the >lastest stuff< use some experimental version of debian. |
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| 23:17.26 | SeySayux | The problem is that I only need more recent versions of *some* software, not everything |
| 23:17.52 | streuner_ | SeySayux: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 23:20.40 | SeySayux | Thanks, that comes in very useful |
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| 23:22.28 | edbian | I'm running a debian webserver and my ISPs DNS servers still have not gotten any records for my domain name. Any suggestions? |
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| 23:23.40 | Na_Klar | edbian, since when they got no entry update? |
| 23:24.33 | PerfDave | edbian: /etc/hosts ? |
| 23:24.35 | SeySayux | edbian: you have pointed the NS records of your domain name to your server? |
| 23:24.57 | edbian | SeySayux, yes of course, most DNS servers do have the records (google and openDNS) |
| 23:25.13 | edbian | PerfDave, this is a problem on most computers in my house (on my ISP) |
| 23:25.31 | edbian | Na_Klar, it's been set for about 24 hours (and my ISP is wrong) |
| 23:25.33 | PerfDave | edbian: Run a local DNS server, point your house computers at it? :) |
| 23:25.54 | PerfDave | edbian: tinydns is pretty cool for that sort of thing |
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| 23:26.29 | Na_Klar | edbian, well 24h ... I waited even longer for the updates in some cases .. maybe just be patient |
| 23:26.30 | SeySayux | If most DNS servers have the correct records, I'd say the problem lies with your ISP |
| 23:26.36 | edbian | ok |
| 23:26.53 | edbian | yeah anything i can do to speed up my isp |
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| 23:27.45 | SeySayux | Call them and question their ethnicity and sexual preferences? |
| 23:28.18 | unreal-dude | dont use their dns? |
| 23:29.00 | unreal-dude | 8.8.8.8 or 208.67.222.222 |
| 23:29.50 | SeySayux | You should never trust your isp's dns anyway |
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| 23:30.14 | unreal-dude | some ISPs have quite odd ideas of how to do things |
| 23:30.52 | SeySayux | points at Belgian domain blocking |
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| 23:32.24 | SeySayux | Seems like his isp doesn't like the slander... |
| 23:34.24 | abrotman | !tell SeySayux about uupdate |
| 23:35.08 | abrotman | SeySayux: anyway .. Stable is a known set of bugs .. obviously can't introduce new versions of software all of the time .. that would destroy the Debian idea of stable |
| 23:35.13 | abrotman | !tell SeySayux about meaning of stable |
| 23:36.45 | SeySayux | Nothing against stable, but I need the latest version of some packages unfortunately. |
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| 23:38.24 | abrotman | okay .. then don't use stable .. just don't whine about the bugs in testing/unstable |
| 23:38.28 | streuner_ | SeySayux: so its not a production server? |
| 23:38.42 | kraehe | is there a way to get a blender that works with collada in Debian (without maintaining it myself)? |
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| 23:39.42 | abrotman | wonders what collada is |
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| 23:39.49 | kraehe | debian squeeze ships blender 2.59, where the external plugin no longer works - but it looks as if the debian maintainer did not compile collada support |
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| 23:40.12 | kraehe | abrotman, collada is a standard for 3d interchanges - meshes, animations, ... |
| 23:40.28 | SeySayux | streuner_: it is, but it's just a few packages we need up to date (mainly those required for the build) |
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| 23:41.02 | SeySayux | Stuff like git and doxygen |
| 23:41.03 | abrotman | kraehe: /msg dpkg ssb .. that's probably the best you can do unfortunately |
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| 23:41.35 | kraehe | what does the ssb mean? |
| 23:41.43 | streuner_ | simple sid backport |
| 23:42.02 | dnewbie | I have putty private key ppk, and I just converted it to openssh format so it could be used in linux. where should I put that key in linux? |
| 23:43.07 | SeySayux | ~/.ssh or /etc/ssh |
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| 23:44.55 | kraehe | is ssd the right topic? the missing opencollada library also affects open scene graph and dozen of other 3d applications |
| 23:45.16 | kraehe | they all build without collada ;-( |
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| 23:47.27 | dnewbie | SeySayux: after that, on the command prompt I just do ssh-agent, then ssh-add? |
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| 23:48.37 | project2501a | he |
| 23:49.08 | SeySayux | dnewbie: err... Not sure, else google 'ssh key debian' or something like that. |
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| 23:49.29 | project2501a | hey guys. i am trying to configure RT4 from the debian package. i installed the packages. i am trying to find the RT_SiteConfig.pm . any clues, please? |
| 23:49.34 | SeySayux | project2501a: hu? |
| 23:49.48 | project2501a | hu? |
| 23:50.14 | SeySayux | ho! |
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| 23:51.52 | SeySayux | is going to detach... 1 am here... Laterz & gnight |
| 23:53.14 | abrotman | dnewbie: if you google "putty ssh key" .. you should get a decent howto |
| 23:53.46 | dnewbie | In linux do we still have sql workbench? |
| 23:54.06 | project2501a | never mind. i forgot to apt-get install request-tracker4 |
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| 23:55.19 | abrotman | dnewbie: you mean for mysql workbench ? |
| 23:56.35 | dnewbie | abrotman: yes. there is nothing as apt-get install mysql-workbench right? |
| 23:57.31 | abrotman | dnewbie: no idea .. thankfully i don't use mysql |
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| 23:59.47 | dnewbie | abrotman: what do u use then? |