| 00:00.05 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: haha now thats good, never heard that one |
| 00:00.32 | jnewt | every question leads to another question. how do i know if i'm using grub 1 or two? i thought i saw it load grub2 when updating from lenny, but i'm not sure, i think i saw version 1.9x somewhere |
| 00:00.37 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: dang now I cant slack off and I have to finish this paperwork...Ill give someone no money if they finish it for me |
| 00:01.25 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: better yet i can throw more problems at you.. really hard ones lol what kind of paperwork? |
| 00:01.34 | jnewt | i guess my opeions are grub, grub2 or grub-legacy? |
| 00:02.03 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: work paperwork, time sheets, what happen while working etc..blah blah blah. Third set and i dont want to do it |
| 00:02.49 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: i dont blame you, and no i will not do them for you ;p |
| 00:02.58 | thewanderer1 | jnewt, dpkg --list "grub*" |
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| 00:03.47 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: after all that time and I didnt fix your problem. Least you could do is consider it longer then then 30 secs |
| 00:04.34 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: 30 seconds starting now... |
| 00:04.42 | jnewt | thewanderer1: the Version column says <none> on most listings, but a couple have 1.98,+20100804+squeeze1, so version 1, thanks |
| 00:04.59 | forgotten | does wine have a channel on freenode? |
| 00:05.05 | forgotten | no one in #wine |
| 00:05.05 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: no i will not help lol |
| 00:05.07 | jnewt | i guess that's now known as "legacy" |
| 00:05.24 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: nah i would if i had any idea of what you were doing |
| 00:05.25 | linkcislinux | forgotten: i just checked people are in wine on freenode |
| 00:05.35 | netadmin | hello all |
| 00:05.38 | thewanderer1 | jnewt, 1.98 is actually GRUB2. funny, eh? |
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| 00:06.35 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: what are you using to talk to us? your irc client since your on ssh |
| 00:06.46 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: wait hang on, do you still want more problems.. Dec 30 16:04:59 debian getty[1039]: /dev/hvc0: No such file or directory <--- still being cheeky |
| 00:06.57 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: mIRC im a winblows guy |
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| 00:07.15 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, well, have you removed the entry from inittab and called `init q`? |
| 00:07.35 | jnewt | thewanderer1: funny, no. a cause of headaches and confusion, yes. should be fixed, imho absolutely |
| 00:07.47 | SVNDR | thewanderer1: yes |
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| 00:08.14 | LemensTS | i specified ntp servers in my ntp.conf, yet ntpq -c lpee shows "ntp1.sbcglobal." no matter what i do (yes i /etc/init.d/ntp restart) That is my dsl provider, so its pulling ntp from them, how can I make it use the ntp servers in ntp.conf?? |
| 00:09.21 | forgotten | linkcislinux: hrmm weird |
| 00:09.39 | linkcislinux | forgotten: let me check again |
| 00:09.58 | linkcislinux | forgotten: its winehq sorry not wine |
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| 00:10.14 | forgotten | oh yeah, it didn't reroute me like it usually does |
| 00:10.17 | forgotten | did this time |
| 00:10.18 | thewanderer1 | SVNDR, then surely the getty process is gone... |
| 00:10.19 | forgotten | tyvm :) |
| 00:10.23 | linkcislinux | forgotten: yvw |
| 00:10.46 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: i was a windows guy until i got everything setup in linux, I dont game much maybe thats why lol |
| 00:11.06 | SVNDR | thewanderer1: unless it is lagged and still pushing errors through.. which i dont know is possible |
| 00:11.34 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: when in doubt restart the vps |
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| 00:12.09 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: im dual booting with ubuntu, thats how good it gets for me lol |
| 00:12.21 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: lol you game i take it? |
| 00:12.30 | jnewt | i put a selinux=0 in my grub to make samba work, but i don't see it in thge grub file in terminal (i'm removing menu entries). do i have the wrong file? |
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| 00:12.54 | SVNDR | linkcislinux: nah not on PC, not since i bought a PS3 anyways.. |
| 00:13.01 | mooglenorph | Hi. I'm in a bit of a jam: I lost the IP address for a system that I usually ssh into, I know I should have just configured it before now, but I'm trying to figure out if I can recover the ip |
| 00:13.19 | mooglenorph | I've just been using reverse search in my bash shell to get the command |
| 00:14.03 | thewanderer1 | jnewt, SELinux is off by default |
| 00:14.07 | Dulak | mooglenorph: it's not in your history anymore? |
| 00:14.16 | mooglenorph | and it doesn't seem like the ip addresses for outgoing ssh connections are logged anywhere on my system. I'm running stable with almost no changes to configs of ssh |
| 00:14.25 | mooglenorph | Dulak: no, it isn't, I opened .bash_history and checked |
| 00:15.43 | Dulak | mooglenorph: well normally ssh doesn't log outgoing connections afaik so you're kind of sol |
| 00:16.12 | thewanderer1 | mooglenorph, check ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 00:16.13 | ripero | maybe there's some trace in /etc/known_hosts? |
| 00:16.28 | mooglenorph | known hosts doesn't seem to have any ip addresses in it? |
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| 00:16.57 | ripero | sorry, use the one thewanderer1 pointed out, I messed up with my mind |
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| 00:17.06 | mooglenorph | probably it has hashed IPs in it |
| 00:17.15 | Dulak | known_hosts hashes the ip |
| 00:17.55 | thewanderer1 | hashes in what way? |
| 00:18.22 | ripero | IPs were not hashed there in ol times |
| 00:18.28 | mooglenorph | ugh I guess I could bruteforce the hash function with a rainbow table or something if it is weak |
| 00:18.51 | thewanderer1 | well, your keyspace is quite small, unless you're on IPv6 |
| 00:18.57 | mooglenorph | I can't believe I've done this. Well, thanks for your help everyone, I have the IP address in a text file on an external HD |
| 00:19.04 | thewanderer1 | huh :P |
| 00:19.08 | mooglenorph | I'm just stuck on a bus with no access to that disk right now |
| 00:19.11 | Dulak | having the ip in known_hosts was bad security |
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| 00:19.14 | jnewt | well, the menu entries are gone except the amd64 kernel, including all the 86 ones (32 -bit), but grub threw a bunch of errors before showing the menu, couldn't read them, but it looked like one for all the entries i commented out |
| 00:19.51 | mooglenorph | and I was wondering if I was missing something on the system where the IP address could live |
| 00:19.58 | Dulak | They changed it a long time ago to hash the ip with the host and the key or something. Google knows. |
| 00:20.49 | ripero | /etc/ssh used to have 0755 permissions, but a couple of weeks after a wheezy install I found it had 7777 permissions... is that right? |
| 00:21.08 | mooglenorph | I dont know what happened to my bash_history though, can I configure that to keep it for longer? Is there a limit somewhere that is too short? |
| 00:21.35 | mooglenorph | I have histappend set in .bashrc |
| 00:21.43 | Dulak | ripero: /etc/ssh should be 0755 |
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| 00:22.27 | thewanderer1 | mooglenorph, chattr +a ~/.bash_history? :P |
| 00:22.35 | Dulak | mooglenorph: you can set HISTSIZE and HISTFILESIZE in ~/.bashrc to number of lines for history to save |
| 00:22.51 | Dulak | mooglenorph: I use 5000 for both myself |
| 00:23.33 | mooglenorph | Dulak: okay, I will set it to something largeish |
| 00:24.10 | mooglenorph | Dulak: I tend to be sloppy about writing stuff down, history is so helpful... man the default is 500 that seems not-good for my habits and forgetfulness |
| 00:24.45 | mooglenorph | thanks all :-) |
| 00:26.38 | ripero | Dulak: I also thought it should be 0755... this means I messed it at some point, or the install did something wrong? |
| 00:27.04 | Dulak | ripero: I doubt a package set it to 777 honestly |
| 00:27.07 | linkcislinux | SVNDR: so why dual boot to windows curious |
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| 00:28.27 | ripero | Dulak: I managed to change the permissions to 6755, but I don't remember how to --> 0755, do you remember the way? |
| 00:29.03 | linkcislinux | ripero: chmod 0755 thefile or if its a directory chmod -R 0755 /directory |
| 00:29.06 | linkcislinux | ripero: ? |
| 00:29.17 | Dulak | don't -R /etc/ssh |
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| 00:29.47 | Dulak | your key files in /etc/ssh should be 600 root.root |
| 00:30.02 | Dulak | so don't chown -R it |
| 00:30.07 | ripero | sure |
| 00:30.24 | ripero | the problem are the special bits |
| 00:30.49 | ripero | chmod 0755 /etc/ssh still leaves it as 6755 |
| 00:31.26 | thewanderer1 | impossible O.o |
| 00:31.41 | Dulak | ripero: yes to clear special bits you need the symbolic name |
| 00:32.11 | Dulak | ripero: chmod u-s,g-s /path/to/file |
| 00:32.43 | Dulak | ripero: numeric modes won't clear special bits, only set them |
| 00:33.13 | thewanderer1 | Dulak, mind updating wiki.debian.org/Permissions with a tiny note (if not already there)? |
| 00:34.23 | ripero | Dulak: ok, thanks!! (I recalled they were special also for this, but not in a precise way) |
| 00:36.11 | Dulak | thewanderer1: I guess it should go in the appendix, being a special case |
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| 00:37.13 | Dulak | thewanderer1: I can't seem to edit that page, I'll put a note in the discussion |
| 00:37.57 | thewanderer1 | Dulak, ok, thanks |
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| 00:47.03 | oscurochu | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.26 | Dulak | thewanderer1: it let me edit the page just fine, I added it as a bullet point in the appendix |
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| 00:49.59 | thewanderer1 | Dulak, hmm ok, although the appendix is a sub-section of ACL |
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| 00:50.46 | thewanderer1 | whatever, they'll notice :P |
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| 00:51.28 | Dulak | thewanderer1: mmmm, I thought it was the document appendix, not a section appendix, my bad |
| 00:51.39 | linkcislinux | oscurochu: did you chown -R jason or just chown? |
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| 00:57.51 | linkcislinux | newbie999|3: having trouble? |
| 00:58.33 | newbie999|3 | linkcislinux: yep ( |
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| 01:01.00 | Dulak | thewanderer1: ok I cleaned it up and gave it a seperate section, and renamed the ACL section to match the rest of the doc, it's good enough imo |
| 01:02.30 | thewanderer1 | thx |
| 01:04.40 | linkcislinux | see if anyones got a suggestion here, I am looking for a good gnome3 shell extension that will give me my cpu usage on the top bar. I tried gnomeshell-system-monitor and it locked up my linux three times lol |
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| 01:06.10 | teratoma | you know how in current Ubuntu there's a side bar of possible programs and running programs? what's the gnome equivalent? |
| 01:06.23 | linkcislinux | teratoma: you mean unity? |
| 01:07.14 | tensorpudding | unity has a dock that appears on the left, gnome 2 does not have a dock but you can get one with avant window navigator |
| 01:07.27 | tensorpudding | gnome 3 has a dock that you can reach using the activities menu |
| 01:07.30 | teratoma | dock! yes! that's what i mean |
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| 01:07.54 | linkcislinux | teratoma: tensor answered, but unity doesnt work as of right now in debian last time I checked. But you can make it look similar |
| 01:08.09 | teratoma | im running gnome 3. where is this activites menu? |
| 01:08.19 | linkcislinux | teratoma: move your mouse to the top left of the screen |
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| 01:09.09 | teratoma | i guess i want something like the dock in unity. is that asking too much? |
| 01:09.25 | linkcislinux | teratoma: you can install avant-window-navigator |
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| 01:14.18 | linkcislinux | It never fails to make me laugh that running avast on my Debian install. Everytime it gets to my Win7 VirtualBox Machine. It says its a virus lol |
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| 01:15.13 | dvs | linkcislinux: is it wrong? ;-) |
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| 01:15.24 | linkcislinux | dvs: no lol |
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| 01:17.59 | bitcycle | Hey all. I'm wondering. I've got a web site, and its all fine and good normally, but when I need to reboot it I need to startup a few things afterward. Is it possible and is it normal to set those things up via a startup script somewhere? |
| 01:18.01 | ripero | teratoma: in gnome3, asking for something is asking too much, usually |
| 01:18.50 | clean | Anybody using nixnote ? |
| 01:19.04 | linkcislinux | ripero: I would have to disagree. Im running gnome3 without any probs |
| 01:19.30 | bitcycle | clean: Why use that when evernote just works? |
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| 01:20.17 | clean | bitcycle: evernote cannot be used in Linux, as far as I know |
| 01:20.33 | clean | bitcycle: is there a linux edition ? |
| 01:21.00 | bitcycle | clean: Have you gone to the web version? https://www.evernote.com/Home.action I use it all the time via chrome. |
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| 01:21.09 | linkcislinux | bitcycle: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=2180 maybe that might help you |
| 01:21.14 | teratoma | is supposedly sort of works in wine |
| 01:22.05 | linkcislinux | nevernote is a evernote clone so instead of using wine could just run it straight on linux |
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| 01:22.53 | clean | bitcycle: not yet, I'll have a look :) |
| 01:23.13 | ripero | linkcislinux: oh, I can also avoid problems if I don't try to have things the way I want them |
| 01:24.18 | linkcislinux | ripero: lol no I mean everything in gnome 3 is setup the way I want and ive changed stuff around put extensions on it etc and I havent had a prob |
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| 01:24.50 | ripero | linkcislinux: how many days did that take you? |
| 01:25.30 | linkcislinux | ripero: less then one? |
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| 01:26.08 | linkcislinux | ripero: only thing that took time was installing my packages I liked, but far as gnome 3 goes I had it all setup for me extensions etc in less then 3 hrs |
| 01:27.02 | ripero | linkcislinux: that's impressing |
| 01:27.34 | linkcislinux | ripero: I think it comes down to what you want to do with it, just like unity or gnome2 could take 4 days or an hour its all per user basis |
| 01:28.24 | bitcycle | K. So, this is super annoying. I'm getting a "Connection closed" and then my ssh connection is being closed unexpectedly. Its quite odd. Any suggestions on what might be causing this or how to track it down? |
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| 01:28.48 | bitcycle | btw: I'm ssh'ing from and to a debian system. |
| 01:29.19 | ripero | linkcislinux: I started trying gnome3 2 weeks ago... it was so nice that I installed xfce for the first time |
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| 01:30.52 | linkcislinux | ripero: haha, i was complete opposite, dont like kde. Hate the way xfce looked was to use to gnome3, unity from ubuntu i noticed a cpu usage issue for me. I used gnome3 and its just speed and less cpu and memory and more complete for me. But its personal opinion |
| 01:31.01 | linkcislinux | *was to use to gnome2 |
| 01:31.22 | linkcislinux | ripero: so now I run debian unstable with gnome3 |
| 01:32.18 | ripero | linkcislinux: really strange, xfce was supposed to require less resources than gnome3 |
| 01:33.12 | ripero | linkcislinux: not that I dislike gnome3, but I should waste too many days to get everything properly... to start with, Alt+F2 does not work |
| 01:34.05 | babilen | ripero: Use the Windows key and start typing |
| 01:34.08 | linkcislinux | ripero: i just checked ALT+F2 works fine by default with me |
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| 01:36.00 | ripero | linkcislinux, babilen: let me be more precise: Alt+F2 opens a dialog box, but the only action it accepts is "r", all other commands (e.g., "iceweasel") return some sort of command not found message |
| 01:36.14 | babilen | ripero: Try the windows key |
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| 01:36.16 | thewanderer1 | Alt+F2 is broken in Wheezy. works in Sid. |
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| 01:36.37 | linkcislinux | thewanderer1: ah thats why im on sid but yeah it works fine like opens gedit when I typed gedit |
| 01:36.50 | linkcislinux | ripero: are you on wheezy? |
| 01:36.59 | ripero | yep |
| 01:37.38 | linkcislinux | thats why we have different opinions, in debian unstable everything for gnome3 just works right. in wheezy apparently its more broke |
| 01:37.50 | ripero | well, in this computer I am safely in squeeze (enjoying gnome2) |
| 01:38.07 | linkcislinux | ripero: least your not trying to run mate l ol |
| 01:39.08 | linkcislinux | mate is that gnome 2 spin off or thing from Linux Mint. That I hate |
| 01:39.29 | ripero | oh, gnome 3.2 already in sid... any idea of when it will make it to wheezy? |
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| 01:42.03 | PerfDave | ripero: About 2 weeks if no major bugs are filed? |
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| 01:42.48 | dvs | files some bugs |
| 01:43.02 | linkcislinux | hahaha dvs |
| 01:43.14 | ripero | PerfDave: ok |
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| 01:45.52 | thewanderer1 | dvs, if you mean that Alt+F2 thing, it's already reported |
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| 01:48.27 | bitcycle | Hey all. Can anyone help me diagnose why my debian vps or my debian laptop (both running testing version of debian) is dropping the ssh connection? |
| 01:49.02 | dvs | !topicsmite bitcycle |
| 01:49.03 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon bitcycle. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 01:50.15 | hikenboot | I am trying to bridge with KVM vm's in proxmox2.0/KVM. I have tried through the interface of proxmox to get it working with no luck so i went back to the old config file /etc/network/interfaces...here is my config http://pastebin.com/Bb90gDN5 I can get no route to internet which is external to VM's and attached to physical eth0 also ifconfig as shown above shows no ip address on phyisical interface eth0...how do i fix this? |
| 01:50.18 | unkmar | Hello |
| 01:50.45 | unkmar | !help ppc |
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| 01:52.06 | linkcislinux | !dance |
| 01:52.06 | e-anima | i do not dance! |
| 01:52.07 | dpkg | gets jiggy wit it |
| 01:52.59 | bitcycle | dvs: I'm not understanding what you're trying to communicate. |
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| 01:57.54 | babilen | bitcycle: Run "/topic" in your IRC client or read this channel's topic by other means. What dvs is trying to communicate is that there is a specific channel (#debian-next) on irc.oftc.net for testing/unstable support. |
| 01:58.28 | bitcycle | babilen: /topic => "Insufficient arguments for command." (irc client: xchat) |
| 01:58.49 | babilen | bitcycle: I would start with reading the sshd logs for error messages and check the BTS (try /TOPIC, or use a better client ;) |
| 01:58.52 | bitcycle | babilen: btw: #debian-next is invite-only. |
| 01:59.00 | babilen | bitcycle: on irc.oftc.net |
| 01:59.04 | bitcycle | well, except I was trying to join on freenode. |
| 01:59.05 | bitcycle | right. |
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| 02:07.58 | unkmar | My friend has a mach64 in a PowerPC and xorg is complaining that it can't find the mach64 drivers |
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| 02:10.10 | unkmar | Any hints? |
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| 02:11.08 | mangas | hi, is the second time i've installed debian squeeze in a vm (kvm) and for the second time i get the same error when loading kernel, "unaligned pointer 0x8ef10002" |
| 02:11.29 | mangas | is there any special procedure to install squeeze in a vm? |
| 02:11.49 | thewanderer1 | mangas, works for me (and presumably everyone else) |
| 02:12.15 | mangas | which media did you use? |
| 02:12.28 | thewanderer1 | netinst amd64 |
| 02:12.29 | PerfDave | I've never seen that installing squeeze in KVM |
| 02:12.53 | thewanderer1 | mangas, have you verified the ISO checksums? |
| 02:13.05 | mangas | thewanderer1, i installed from the dvd, probably a media failure |
| 02:13.09 | mangas | nope |
| 02:13.17 | thewanderer1 | yeah, check medium integrity |
| 02:14.04 | mangas | will do that tomorrow, thanks for your help |
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| 02:15.13 | boudiccas | unkmar; hints with regard to what? you've made a statement but haven't asked any questions |
| 02:17.08 | unkmar | any hints why a mach64 in a PowerPC and xorg is complaining that it can't find the mach64 drivers |
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| 02:17.28 | unkmar | and the mach64 is said to be installed. |
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| 02:18.13 | boudiccas | no idea, whats a 'mach64'? |
| 02:18.33 | unkmar | trying to run x on ppc get mach64 module not found. however xserver-xorg--video-mach64 is installed. any ideas? |
| 02:18.47 | unkmar | mach64 is an ATI video card. |
| 02:18.55 | boudiccas | ah, thanks |
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| 02:20.00 | boudiccas | can you uninstall ' xserver-xorg--video-mach64' clear the cache and then reinstall it? it sometimes works if you do that |
| 02:20.58 | unkmar | how do I clear... You mean delete from the apt cache? |
| 02:21.11 | boudiccas | yes, clear the apt cache |
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| 02:23.52 | unkmar | clearing. |
| 02:24.02 | evilfix | hello all. im having issues trying to install synaptic. copy/paste is here: http://pastebin.com/iFjY1rdt any ideas? |
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| 02:26.38 | unkmar | restarting to see what happens. |
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| 02:26.59 | unkmar | boudiccas: that fix it. Must have had a faulty download. Thank you |
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| 02:27.43 | boudiccas | yw |
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| 02:31.53 | evilfix | so i cannot install synaptic because of missing packages like the following: "libapt-inst-libc6.7-6-1.1" exists in the package database, but it is not a |
| 02:31.56 | evilfix | real package and no package provides it. |
| 02:32.13 | PaoloG | When a source pkg needs CC what package I need? |
| 02:32.24 | PerfDave | PaoloG: build-essential |
| 02:32.59 | PaoloG | thanks Dave |
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| 02:33.43 | un214 | want to try something dumb? |
| 02:33.50 | un214 | evilfix? |
| 02:33.55 | evilfix | sure |
| 02:34.35 | Kuifje111 | it means richard stallman requires your credit card details in order to continue |
| 02:34.59 | un214 | if the dependency is not valid, there's a chance it's not required |
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| 02:35.06 | un214 | especially if apt-get is working |
| 02:35.10 | un214 | (in this case) |
| 02:35.29 | un214 | this stupid program can synthesize a dependency http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=29;filename=apt-holepunch;att=1;bug=625801 |
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| 02:36.09 | un214 | its intended use is snapping stupid dependencies in metapackages; if it doesn't work in your case back it out immediately |
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| 02:38.34 | MouseTheLuckyDog | Hello. My debian has gone corrupt. I would like to reinstall package by package. Is there a way to generate a list of installed packages in some sort of tree view based on dependencies? |
| 02:39.23 | PerfDave | dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections? |
| 02:39.23 | dpkg | PerfDave: i haven't a clue |
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| 02:43.05 | bambanx | guys any software for debian like babylon translator ? |
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| 02:44.08 | un214 | how do I install latest dev version of all boost libraries? |
| 02:44.44 | un214 | !boost |
| 02:44.55 | stittel | Hi! I am upgrading from Lenny to Squeeze following the upgrade instructions from the release notes closely (hence first "apt-get upgrade", then upgrading kernel, then udev, then rebooting). After the reboot, eth0 is missing and I can only access the system via serial console. |
| 02:45.35 | stittel | eth0 is an "Intel Corporation 82541PI Gigabit Ethernet Controller" and during boot, the right module seems to be attempted, because during boot it says "e1000: eth0: e1000_probe: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection". Still "ifconfig -a" doesn't show eth0. |
| 02:46.52 | stittel | "ifconfig eth0 up" says "eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device" so the kernel doesn't seem to correctly recognize the network card. Any ideas? |
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| 02:48.21 | un214 | what does ifconfig -a show? |
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| 02:48.47 | Ray24 | Why are there so many people in here? |
| 02:48.49 | karlpinc | !tell stittel about z70 |
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| 02:49.40 | karlpinc | stittel: You may also have non-free firmware issues. See the release notes. |
| 02:49.51 | stittel | un214: "ifconfig -a" shows http://paste.debian.net/150601/ . eth1 is the onboard NVIDIA NIC that is not connected to any cable. |
| 02:50.51 | un214 | at this point I'd recommend putting a cable into the onboard nic, then worry about why the z70 doesn't work |
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| 02:51.08 | stittel | karlpinc: Thanks for the link, but I can't rename the card until it is there. Actually the boot message ""e1000: eth0: e1000_probe: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection" indicates that the kernel is attempting to do the right thing. |
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| 02:51.34 | stittel | un214: I don't have physical access to the server, it's in a data center quite far from me. |
| 02:51.39 | karlpinc | stittel: is there anything in lspci -nn? If so what's the pciid? |
| 02:51.47 | karlpinc | !tell stittel about pciid |
| 02:52.15 | un214 | in which boot the previous kernel and don't try to continue the upgrade |
| 02:53.38 | stittel | karlpinc: "04:07.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82541PI Gigabit Ethernet Controller [8086:107c] (rev 05)" -- I asked the bot about the pciid and the result is: e1000 seems the right module to try. |
| 02:54.16 | un214 | I once tried an insmod of all modules in loop to try to find the right one |
| 02:54.34 | un214 | lesson: don't try to insmod an ISA module you don't know what it does |
| 02:54.56 | un214 | but if you don't have an ISA bus, insmod every last one should be safe |
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| 02:56.29 | stittel | un214: Well, I kinda updated half of my system already, so I don't really want to cancel the upgrade. Besides: Lenny is going out of security support and doing the upgrade now is a good idea, because over New Year's Eve things are calm. |
| 02:56.46 | karlpinc | stittel: Humm. I don't think the e1000 requires non-free firmware.... |
| 02:57.04 | un214 | you have read dmesg, right? |
| 02:58.05 | un214 | come to think of it, if you're not using the X server, the new distro will run with the old kernel |
| 02:58.21 | karlpinc | stittel: And you did an lsmod and saw the module loaded? |
| 02:59.18 | Pupskucheen | I get this error when I want to check for updates: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/32/errorot.png/ and I dont know how to fix it. What could be a reason for it? |
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| 03:00.13 | stittel | karlpinc: Yes, it's loaded. |
| 03:00.21 | Ray24 | Pupskucheen |
| 03:00.32 | Pupskucheen | ? |
| 03:00.33 | gabesubdo | Pupskucheen: backports doesn't have anything for sarge anymore, it's way out of date |
| 03:00.35 | stittel | un214: http://paste.debian.net/150602/ ... these dmesg entries are caused by booting the kernel. |
| 03:00.45 | Pupskucheen | lol |
| 03:01.04 | Ray24 | Pupskucheen debian is not for u |
| 03:01.11 | un214 | try to insmod the module then replay the last few dmesg lines |
| 03:01.11 | Pupskucheen | I know |
| 03:01.28 | stittel | un214, karlpinc: The more I think about it, the more I suspect an udev issue, I mean the kernel seems fine with the device judging by the output, just the device file doesn't get created. |
| 03:01.30 | karlpinc | Pupskucheen: Be sure to follow the release notes when upgrading, first to lenny, then squeeze. Don't try to skip them. |
| 03:01.32 | un214 | the neessary data will _not_ be found by the grep |
| 03:01.34 | Pupskucheen | Anyway, where was the sources file again? |
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| 03:01.39 | gabesubdo | /etc/apt |
| 03:01.44 | Ray24 | Pupskucheen can you please try arch linux instead |
| 03:01.46 | un214 | stittel: ?? there's no device file for eth devices |
| 03:02.19 | karlpinc | stittel: I don't think udev does network devices. You could poke about in /sys/ and see what you see, but I don't see that helping. Then again, who knows. |
| 03:02.30 | stittel | un214: There is no /dev/eth*, not even for eth1, which shows in "ifconfig -a". |
| 03:02.50 | un214 | which is my point, as far as I know there's not supposed to be |
| 03:05.02 | karlpinc | stittel: There was something in the release notes, I think for disk drives involving the root filesystem, that requiried time for something in the kernel to wait to properly detect the device. It sounds unlikely but you could try unloading and reloading the e1000 module. |
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| 03:05.53 | stittel | karlpinc: This should be the device under /sys: http://paste.debian.net/150603/ |
| 03:06.27 | karlpinc | stittel: Did you follow the release notes and upgrade the kernel and udev and reboot? I don't really think it's anything involving udev but it's always good to follow the directions. (Sounds like you're at that point, have rebooted and now can't find the nic. ?) |
| 03:06.56 | Dulak | damn wiki editors |
| 03:08.00 | karlpinc | Dulak: Yes. Somebody just did something odd to the Permissions page today. |
| 03:08.24 | un214 | you mean like a few rtlswitch chars? |
| 03:09.04 | Dulak | karlpinc, they messed up the factual accuracy of my stuff. I'm fixing ic |
| 03:09.10 | Dulak | karlpinc: fixing it even |
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| 03:09.58 | karlpinc | Dulak: What page? |
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| 03:10.14 | karlpinc | un214: ? |
| 03:10.31 | stittel | karlpinc: Removing and reinserting e1000 worked, thanks, that's progress. :) I now have an eth0 interface in ifconfig. If I bring it up with "ifconfig eth0 up" it doesn't get an IP via DHCP though and "/etc/init.d/networking restart" fails with "Configuring network interfaces...err, : ioctl SIOCGIFHWADDR: No such device". Also still no /dev/eth* to be found. |
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| 03:11.18 | stittel | karlpinc: And yes I followed the release notes closely. I am now at the point where the release notes told me to reboot after "apt-get upgrade", "apt-get install linux-image...", "apt-get install udev". |
| 03:11.51 | un214 | gak! |
| 03:12.12 | un214 | ifconfig eth0 your.ip.addr.ess up might work |
| 03:12.22 | un214 | if not, you're kinda in bad trouble |
| 03:12.23 | karlpinc | stittel: ethtool might help diagnose things. |
| 03:12.34 | Dulak | karlpinc: the Permissions Page |
| 03:12.47 | bambanx | guys any software for debian like babylon translator ? |
| 03:12.58 | karlpinc | Dulak: I just made that change. You don't need to use symbolic names to remove special bits. |
| 03:13.29 | Dulak | karlpinc: you didn't test that |
| 03:13.40 | stittel | karlpinc: Unfortunately I can't install it without a working network connection. :-( All I have for now is a serial console that gets exported via SSH. |
| 03:13.55 | Dulak | karlpinc: I tested it at the time I wrote it, and just now to put an example up on the page |
| 03:14.19 | Dulak | karlpinc: you can only set special bits using octal, to unset them you have to use the symbolic names |
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| 03:14.59 | karlpinc | Dulak: touch foo ; chmod g+s foo; ls -lh foo ; chmod '0744' foo' ; ls -lh foo |
| 03:15.48 | karlpinc | Dulak: Oops. s/foo'/foo/ |
| 03:16.46 | karlpinc | Dulak: It's really a shell thing, when leading zeros need to be quoted and so forth. Or so it seems. |
| 03:17.46 | un214 | my shell doesn't |
| 03:17.46 | karlpinc | stittel: You can use zmodem to transfer files, assuming you've got sz (or whatever) installed. |
| 03:18.14 | un214 | a stack of ssh pipleline & base64 will do it even if not |
| 03:18.23 | Dulak | karlpinc: yeah the quote is what I was missing, but the man page for chmod says octal won't work, which is why I went ahead and added it to that page |
| 03:18.35 | karlpinc | un214: Yah. Just what's happening is not clear to me, but anyway if you quote the octal it works. |
| 03:18.54 | karlpinc | Dulak: That's interesting. Lemmie look. |
| 03:19.02 | un214 | stop using the c shell dude |
| 03:19.37 | karlpinc | likes the c shell considered harmful essay |
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| 03:21.12 | karlpinc | Dulak: Indeed it does. There's a bug here, somewhere. Will you report it to the bts? |
| 03:21.32 | un214 | waht is the shell? |
| 03:22.07 | Dulak | karlpinc: as in bug that the behavior doesn't match the man page? |
| 03:22.08 | karlpinc | un214: Good point viz base64 file transfers. |
| 03:22.12 | karlpinc | Dulak: Right. |
| 03:23.06 | stittel | karlpinc: I..kinda solved it. |
| 03:23.51 | karlpinc | Dulak: On another note, the section you added to the Permissions page does not really fit in with the flow of the whole thing. If you need to talk about the special bits the Permissions page may not be the right place. (It's big enough anyway to start another page just for the special bits.) |
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| 03:24.10 | karlpinc | stittel: How? (And will it reboot?) |
| 03:24.43 | stittel | un214, karlpinc: It seems like the value of ATTR{dev_id} in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules hat to be changed from "1" to "0x0". |
| 03:25.05 | stittel | I have network now, well, temporarily, now will need to get it working automatically after reboot. |
| 03:25.05 | un214 | ok take a backup |
| 03:25.15 | Dulak | karlpinc: it is a permissions issue imo, and was where the guy who had the problem went to find the solution before coming here, afaik |
| 03:25.19 | un214 | if that is the problem it might fix itself when the upgrade finishes |
| 03:25.24 | stittel | Oh...my bad. |
| 03:25.35 | karlpinc | un214: And the nice thing about base64 is that it's always there. |
| 03:25.58 | stittel | un214, karlpinc: The value of ATTR{dev_id} did not have to be changed, but ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0" had to be added (formerly it was not ATTR{dev_id} in there). |
| 03:27.04 | karlpinc | un214: I'm curious why you say that. If it's a new kernel and a new udev then why would changing anything else affect something like udev? |
| 03:27.49 | karlpinc | un214: (I'd hope he's got a backup of the box before he started.) |
| 03:27.49 | un214 | this particular upgrade jump has had a bunch of glitches that simply don't happen on a fresh install |
| 03:28.03 | un214 | apparently the transient systems generated by the upgrade in progress are weird |
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| 03:30.51 | Dulak | karlpinc: so should I remove the section and just add a note in the part explaining octal permissions to quote perms with leading 0? |
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| 03:31.24 | un214 | incidentally omiting the leading 0 altogether also works |
| 03:32.41 | stittel | karlpinc, un214: Strangely if I make the Intel NIC eth0 again in 70-persistent-net.rules it stops working again. So maybe the trick is not ATTR{dev_id}, but the device receiving eth1. |
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| 03:35.27 | stittel | karlpinc, un214: To summerize what I did to make it work: 1) remove 70-persistent-net.rules and watch udev autogenerate a new one. Old and new (autogenerated) entries can be seen here: http://paste.debian.net/150604/ 2) Noticing that eth0 and eth1 switched and replacing eth0 with eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces. Voila! |
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| 03:36.01 | stittel | karlpinc, un214: If I change eth0 with eth1 in 70-persistent-net.rules to keep the old naming, strangely it doesn't work. I have no clue why. |
| 03:36.11 | stittel | karlpinc, un214: Thanks for your help! It works now, I am happy. :) |
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| 03:51.48 | Dulak | karlpinc: they already have a bug report on the package for confusing info about octal and symbolic names, I added as more info to that ticket |
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| 04:05.59 | Dulak | karlpinc: i fixed up the wiki entry too, demoted it to a use case of chmod and clarified it a bit. |
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| 04:09.49 | innociv | How do I uninstall something from the repo and delete all the configs? |
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| 04:10.11 | innociv | oh purge i think |
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| 04:11.35 | ompaul | innociv: apt-get remove --purge foo |
| 04:12.16 | innociv | "- Fatal: error processing configuration file '/etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf' |
| 04:12.16 | innociv | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.16 | innociv | " from a clean install.. Wtf. :/ |
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| 04:13.18 | ompaul | well it is not a clean install given that proftpd is not in the base install ;-) |
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| 04:13.29 | ompaul | so how did you install proftpd |
| 04:13.48 | innociv | sudo apt-get install proftpd-basic proftpd-mod-mysql |
| 04:13.58 | innociv | It looks like the problem is with my hosts |
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| 04:14.01 | innociv | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/proftpd-proftpd-startup-failed-191619/ |
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| 04:14.14 | innociv | Or I need to tell it to bind to an address |
| 04:14.39 | ompaul | why sudo? |
| 04:14.59 | simonlnu | he's an ex-ubuntu user? :P |
| 04:15.11 | simonlnu | is being silly |
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| 04:15.21 | innociv | Should I have something besides "127.0.0.1 localhost" 127.0.0.1 debian" for the start of my /etc/hosts? I get "sudo: unable to resolve host user" when I do any command in shell. |
| 04:15.23 | ompaul | simonlnu: and unhelpful :P |
| 04:15.34 | simonlnu | hehe |
| 04:15.38 | innociv | Force of habbit with how many commands require it. |
| 04:15.50 | innociv | I'll try to stop. |
| 04:15.57 | simonlnu | no no, it's ok |
| 04:16.02 | ompaul | innociv: paste uname -a please |
| 04:16.06 | nsadmin | farce of hobbit? |
| 04:16.16 | ompaul | nsadmin: only if you say so |
| 04:16.26 | ompaul | (and there's a lot of that around these days) |
| 04:16.55 | simonlnu | innociv: um, that's a sudo error. |
| 04:17.03 | innociv | "extra operand `please'" |
| 04:17.13 | innociv | I kid. Linux rph 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Wed May 18 07:08:50 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 04:17.53 | ompaul | so the question is why isn't everyone complaining if they have the same issue as you |
| 04:18.04 | innociv | Hm? |
| 04:18.05 | simonlnu | and use a better hostname than 'debian', please. |
| 04:18.27 | innociv | What should it be? And I have 5 ips on the box. Should I have the ip be the one I use to connect to ssh? |
| 04:18.45 | simonlnu | it's clearly sudo, it goes "sudo: the_error" |
| 04:18.55 | ompaul | only if the rest of your network knows about it |
| 04:19.12 | simonlnu | which rfc was it with the hostname picking? |
| 04:19.28 | nsadmin | innociv, it's considered a good habit to do most things as non-root, and only do what you have to as root (aka using sudo) |
| 04:19.46 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:20.23 | innociv | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4833 Dec 30 23:57 /etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf |
| 04:20.38 | simonlnu | !hostname |
| 04:20.39 | dpkg | Use "hostname foo" to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it does not exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', /etc/mailname. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
| 04:21.02 | ompaul | innociv: did you do a lot of editing to that file? |
| 04:21.08 | innociv | None at all. |
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| 04:21.28 | innociv | Want me to uninstall purge and install it as non-root? |
| 04:21.31 | ompaul | sorry - I'm being silly |
| 04:21.34 | ompaul | you can't |
| 04:21.36 | ompaul | su - |
| 04:21.41 | innociv | Hm? |
| 04:21.43 | ompaul | apt-get remove --purge proftpd |
| 04:21.53 | simonlnu | he means for you to su - to root |
| 04:22.07 | simonlnu | su - defaults to root superuser |
| 04:22.31 | simonlnu | the - tells su to start a login shell |
| 04:22.37 | innociv | Yeah I can't apt-get as normal user.. |
| 04:22.44 | simonlnu | of course not |
| 04:22.51 | ompaul | so if do you that at the start - it should help |
| 04:22.52 | innociv | Then what was the deal about that earlier? |
| 04:22.54 | nsadmin | yeah, some forms are... su <user>, su - <user> |
| 04:23.02 | innociv | Why can't I sudo apt-get install? |
| 04:23.03 | ompaul | su - alone is root |
| 04:23.12 | simonlnu | you need to use something like sudo for that. *but* it seems to be whacked ATM |
| 04:23.27 | ompaul | innociv: cos I'm wondering that myself so I want to see if you even have working root access |
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| 04:23.47 | ompaul | innociv: work with us not against us please ;-) |
| 04:23.50 | innociv | yes I can su |
| 04:23.56 | innociv | And log in. |
| 04:24.10 | forgotten | can anyone tell me why ports 3333, and 5555 show open when scanning my public IP? I don't know where they coming from!? |
| 04:24.22 | simonlnu | forgotten: netstat |
| 04:24.31 | ompaul | then just do this>> apt-get remove --purge proftpd |
| 04:24.33 | simonlnu | don't nmap yourself from localhost... |
| 04:24.40 | innociv | and apt-get install. And I don't get "Unknown host..." error on each sudo command |
| 04:24.52 | innociv | ompaul, I did. |
| 04:25.07 | forgotten | simonlnu: its not coming from my debian machine, just thought someone might know |
| 04:25.10 | ompaul | innociv: and did it say it was removing stuff get you to press y |
| 04:25.20 | nsadmin | I think it depends on whether the person wants to really dig in and learn the cmdline and shell... and whether they have a spare machine to practice on |
| 04:25.29 | innociv | I did. |
| 04:25.31 | innociv | And yes. |
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| 04:25.36 | simonlnu | 5555 sounds like it might be some windows thing.. |
| 04:25.52 | ompaul | innociv: so do this crtl D and log out of the root session lets test sudo |
| 04:25.54 | forgotten | something virtualbox does maybe? |
| 04:26.23 | simonlnu | well, getent services 5555 gives me 'personal-agent' and 3333 gives me 'dec-notes' |
| 04:26.27 | simonlnu | possibly |
| 04:26.32 | innociv | sudo does the same thing but it also says "sudo: unable to resolve host rph" with every sudo command I do. |
| 04:26.49 | ompaul | innociv: please do this sudo -i |
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| 04:27.02 | innociv | "sudo: unable to resolve host rph" |
| 04:27.02 | thewanderer1 | innociv, your /etc/hosts is broken, fix it |
| 04:27.07 | forgotten | i found that too online but i have no services like that running i dont think |
| 04:27.24 | innociv | Changing /etc/hosts is scary. I'm afraid I'll get locked out of ssh. :| |
| 04:27.37 | forgotten | maybe its my dads computer upstairs lol |
| 04:27.45 | forgotten | innociv: ?? /etc/hosts is easymode |
| 04:27.49 | innociv | Oh? |
| 04:27.55 | innociv | Well I'm not sure how to fix it... |
| 04:28.06 | ompaul | !tell innociv about hosts |
| 04:28.23 | ompaul | !tell innociv about hostname |
| 04:28.33 | ompaul | innociv: please check the docs the bot is telling you about |
| 04:28.37 | innociv | I don't know what to set it to... |
| 04:28.37 | nsadmin | I'll say it could be better to have a root shell (and have to enter a differenbt passwd than your own) for people who really know the shell... the alternative is to have sudo and get into the habit of sudo anything |
| 04:28.46 | ompaul | madcomputer |
| 04:28.53 | nsadmin | which is not a good habit |
| 04:28.55 | ompaul | santababy |
| 04:29.59 | ompaul | innociv: pick a greek god or a norse one - or something to do with si-fi but don't put spaces into the file name |
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| 04:31.18 | ompaul | and with that I'll head off back into the darkness to let the world be happier :) |
| 04:31.46 | karlpinc | You could just name it ompaul. ;-) |
| 04:31.49 | forgotten | i've scanned every host individually attached to my router, only shows up when i actually scan the router 192.168.1.1 address or my public IP. |
| 04:31.52 | forgotten | gotta be the router =/ |
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| 04:32.41 | innociv | Well that created /etc/hostname with that word, but I still get the "sudo: unable to resolve host rph" |
| 04:32.44 | yagoo | forgotten, some routers dont reset well even after the 30 second button reset hold.. |
| 04:33.22 | forgotten | u think a reset will close those? |
| 04:33.43 | yagoo | forgotten, i'm assuming you're trying to find the ip of the router.. you don't seem to clearly say if you did.. |
| 04:33.53 | thewanderer1 | hint: if someone has enabled DNAT, he probably did it for a reason. |
| 04:34.00 | forgotten | ? |
| 04:34.09 | forgotten | i'm trying to figure out why ports 3333 and 5555 are open on my router |
| 04:34.19 | thewanderer1 | forgotten, there is no such thing as an "open port" |
| 04:34.24 | innociv | I think I fixed it. ;\ I put "systems-first-ip hostname-name" in /etc/hosts... |
| 04:34.37 | yagoo | forgotten, you probably are using or someone is using a NAT-pmp client.. some routers don't have a gui for that and it's automagically handled |
| 04:34.38 | thewanderer1 | innociv, good |
| 04:34.48 | innociv | erm.. should what's in /etc/hosts match my registrars DNS? |
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| 04:35.13 | yagoo | forgotten, some routers support nat-pmp magic and some dont.. |
| 04:35.18 | thewanderer1 | innociv, you can choose whatever hostname you like |
| 04:35.47 | yagoo | forgotten, maybe you ran one of these clients.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAT-PMP |
| 04:35.48 | forgotten | yagoo: ok, cool tyvm |
| 04:36.18 | thewanderer1 | innociv, but it has to match your system's hostname from /etc/hostname |
| 04:36.21 | yagoo | forgotten, i try to avoid routers such as that.. i hate anything that controls the network without my knowledge. |
| 04:36.23 | innociv | but if I have mail.domain.org ##.##.##.## on my DNS for registrar, should I have that same thing in /etc/hosts ? Is that how reverse DNS works, or something? ;\ |
| 04:36.48 | yagoo | forgotten, what router are you using? |
| 04:36.55 | innociv | should it be 127.0.0.1 or the ip that I'm connecting to ssh with? |
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| 04:37.08 | yagoo | innociv, 127.x.x.x only exists locally |
| 04:37.11 | forgotten | yagoo: Netgear WNR1000v2 |
| 04:37.12 | thewanderer1 | innociv, you should have any entry like 127.0.1.1 rph |
| 04:37.18 | innociv | Oh |
| 04:37.35 | thewanderer1 | innociv, it's just for convenience reasons so that sudo knows the hostname |
| 04:37.37 | un214 | innociv: no |
| 04:37.41 | innociv | and remove the debian line? |
| 04:38.20 | un214 | why does cat /etc/hosts show no such file? |
| 04:38.35 | yagoo | forgotten, there's a firmware for it as of nov 04/11 |
| 04:38.51 | yagoo | forgotten, latest firmware means patches fixes etc... |
| 04:39.03 | yagoo | forgotten, it's possible there can be bugs with nat-pmp handling |
| 04:39.18 | yagoo | forgotten, http://support.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/18631 |
| 04:39.32 | innociv | That seems to have made proftpd work. Thanks |
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| 04:39.59 | forgotten | yagoo: hey thx bro |
| 04:40.56 | yagoo | forgotten, be sure to do a firmware update on the wire.. not wirelessly.. |
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| 04:42.56 | forgotten | lol it wont accept it lol |
| 04:42.59 | forgotten | -=/ |
| 04:43.02 | yagoo | likes linksys and dlink corporate pages showing emulation pages of their products |
| 04:43.17 | yagoo | forgotten, should be v2.. |
| 04:44.24 | forgotten | gonna try to go to 1.0.1 first |
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| 04:44.58 | forgotten | same thing, all i get is, Firmware upgrade failed. Please check your file |
| 04:45.22 | yagoo | forgotten, it's probably incremental |
| 04:45.30 | forgotten | Hardware Version WNR1000v2-VC |
| 04:45.42 | forgotten | Firmware Version V1.0.0.12NA |
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| 04:46.52 | yagoo | forgotten, did u try both.. the n.american and the world? |
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| 04:47.02 | forgotten | no just america |
| 04:47.54 | forgotten | i should just turn that crap tastic router into a glorified switch/wireless AP and use my fbsd box to route |
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| 04:53.55 | yagoo | forgotten, you get the same md5? |
| 04:54.05 | forgotten | yes the files are good i checked |
| 04:54.58 | forgotten | its all good, not that important, just wondered why those ports were open |
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| 04:55.08 | forgotten | i'mma come up with a diff routing solution soon |
| 04:55.12 | yagoo | forgotten, i said it might be a bug with the firmware. |
| 04:55.20 | forgotten | ya ur prolly right |
| 04:55.50 | yagoo | forgotten, try cold booting the router, unplug/replug then try the firmware update.. |
| 04:56.14 | forgotten | wish i could, i'm at work right now |
| 04:56.22 | yagoo | forgotten, if you still cant.. then it's really stubborn.. who knows.. maybe a complete reset then the firmware update.. i've seen stubborn equipment |
| 04:56.56 | yagoo | forgotten, oh.. WAN updating? no you have to be on the local lan for that.. |
| 04:56.58 | forgotten | yeah i'll try those when i get home, thx yagoo :) |
| 04:57.03 | yagoo | forgotten, that must be the reason why.. |
| 04:57.33 | forgotten | naa i'm vpn'd in |
| 04:57.38 | yagoo | no. |
| 04:57.44 | yagoo | you have to do it from the inside lan |
| 04:57.52 | hikenboot | ok here is one i think someone may be able to help with the target ip address is wrong is there a way to perminently fix this with iscsiadm command..there is a way as a temporary fix that i see...otherwise i will have to mv files to the proper ip addresses and change the node.discovery_address= parameter in /etc/iscsi/nodes/iqn....:VMs.lun0/x.x.x.24,3260,1 |
| 04:58.07 | forgotten | its coming from my 192.168.1.* connection, i am inside the lan |
| 04:58.25 | yagoo | forgotten, try it later.. |
| 04:58.34 | forgotten | otay |
| 05:00.53 | forgotten | thx for all ur help yagoo |
| 05:01.13 | yagoo | its ok.. :) |
| 05:01.21 | yagoo | np |
| 05:02.44 | yagoo | hikenboot, you should be able to know the technical name of what you're doing and the name of the overall program/goal that you're looking at here.. |
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| 05:03.00 | yagoo | hikenboot, I dunno about what you're trying to do but it sounds like chinese to me |
| 05:03.24 | forgotten | lol.. |
| 05:03.33 | hikenboot | well put ..you got class...real class what an A$$ |
| 05:03.36 | forgotten | yagoo: if its an consolation, i understood you perfectly :) |
| 05:04.20 | yagoo | hikenboot, all i can say with that attitude is rtfm |
| 05:04.42 | forgotten | ^ !! |
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| 05:11.17 | benedikt | how can i chagne keyboard layouts in x now again? |
| 05:11.28 | benedikt | i vaguly recall using something like "xkblayout" |
| 05:12.03 | forgotten | could change it in your config file if u know the correct options.. |
| 05:12.09 | TechDesk | /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf |
| 05:12.10 | simonlnu | ,versions keyboard-configuration |
| 05:12.10 | judd | Package: keyboard-configuration on i386 -- squeeze: 1.68+squeeze2; sid: 1.75; wheezy: 1.75 |
| 05:12.11 | benedikt | aha setxkbmap |
| 05:12.21 | benedikt | i needed a temproray change |
| 05:12.25 | simonlnu | dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration can help too |
| 05:12.31 | simonlnu | ah ok, nm that ^^^ then |
| 05:12.37 | benedikt | thanks :) |
| 05:12.49 | TechDesk | sorry i don't speak english |
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| 05:16.07 | forgotten | the music buttons on my logitech g15 gaming keyboard work with Amarok :-OO |
| 05:16.24 | forgotten | im impressed |
| 05:17.01 | yagoo | forgotten, my audio mute button works over synergy |
| 05:17.04 | benedikt | forgotten: that is an x standard. You can see what happens if you run ´xev´ |
| 05:17.05 | yagoo | :p |
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| 05:17.36 | houken | is there any recommend irc client software in debian? |
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| 05:18.39 | forgotten | whats synergy? |
| 05:18.46 | transistor | hi |
| 05:18.58 | forgotten | benedikt: i'm sure i'll break something in the process |
| 05:19.54 | silvertip257 | forgotten: synergy allows you to share your kbd/mouse between multiple computers |
| 05:20.04 | silvertip257 | synergy-foss.org/ |
| 05:20.21 | transistor | i was doing a dist-upgrade from squeeze to wheezy, and it messed up half way through and now i have a dependancy problem where python requires a 2.6 python-minimal package, but a 2.7 python-minimal package is installed instead and i'm kind stuck now |
| 05:20.32 | transistor | does anybody know how to resolve this? =/ |
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| 05:24.28 | innociv | How do I see what group a user is in? |
| 05:24.32 | forgotten | silvertip257: oh thats cool |
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| 05:25.11 | forgotten | innociv: look at /etc/passwd |
| 05:25.32 | silvertip257 | innociv: groups <username> .. or id -Gn <username> |
| 05:26.05 | silvertip257 | /etc/group would have a list of groups and who is in them |
| 05:26.53 | forgotten | lots of ways :-D |
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| 05:27.47 | innociv | Ugh. proftpd isn't automatically creating user dirs and I can't figure out why not. |
| 05:28.36 | forgotten | i have no need for ftp anymore |
| 05:28.42 | forgotten | can't beat scp |
| 05:29.15 | innociv | Can't limit file extensions, sizes, etc. |
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| 05:57.47 | nickermire | has anybody ever experienced their mouse not clicking? |
| 05:58.15 | nickermire | it works and I can move it around the screen, but sometimes it doesn't click or select what i want it to |
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| 06:00.18 | innociv | proftpd, or any ftp, should be port 20, right? "No connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it." |
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| 06:03.19 | innociv | Oh it's 21 I guess |
| 06:03.37 | evilfix | hello all.. i have a problem with my fresh install of debian 6. apt-get. when trying to install anything, like wine to synaptic it says the following: http://pastebin.com/WTP9Au2F anyone know whats going on here? |
| 06:05.54 | simonlnu | innociv: active ftp is both 20 and 21. passive you'll need to open some high ports. read the rfc, or some tutorial. |
| 06:06.12 | simonlnu | sorry, rfcs |
| 06:06.31 | innociv | Alright. |
| 06:07.04 | innociv | Well I opened both. winscp gives me http://pastebin.com/DNgZ27At |
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| 06:10.41 | nickermire | has anybody ever experienced their mouse not clicking? |
| 06:10.42 | nickermire | it works and I can move it around the screen, but sometimes it doesn't click or select what i want it to |
| 06:11.45 | ham5 | is it the mouse itself you think? |
| 06:11.53 | ham5 | 'sometimes' |
| 06:12.05 | samsul | is away: papung |
| 06:16.15 | JoshuaP | how do i delete myself from a group? |
| 06:16.25 | ham5 | usermod |
| 06:16.59 | innociv | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1182594 I really like the attached screenshot |
| 06:17.18 | JoshuaP | ham5, command please? |
| 06:17.24 | JoshuaP | usermod -what? |
| 06:18.42 | ham5 | usermod read the man pages or google it |
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| 06:24.46 | simonlnu | nickermire: gtk3? |
| 06:25.44 | JoshuaP | I'm about to do a server reboot and will be right back. :) |
| 06:26.29 | simonlnu | innociv: like i said before, if you need/want to do passive, you need to open some high ports. |
| 06:26.52 | innociv | Passive? :/ Not sure what that means. |
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| 06:27.03 | simonlnu | look at your paste |
| 06:27.06 | innociv | http://pastebin.com/wYGZeVC0 is a full error report and my config for proftpd. When trying to connect via ftp, I get "Failed to retrieve directory listing |
| 06:27.28 | simonlnu | !ftp |
| 06:27.28 | dpkg | File Transfer Protocol (FTP) is a method of moving files between systems using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of FTP: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-Unix users). Unencrypted FTP using Unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as running windows on your firewall machine. Ask me about <ftp must die>, <scp>, <sftp>. See also <ftpd>. |
| 06:27.55 | innociv | Why can't I just use the ports 20 and 21? |
| 06:28.13 | simonlnu | you need to configure your client to use active |
| 06:29.12 | simonlnu | tcp port 20 is ftp-data, 21 is ftp-control |
| 06:29.50 | simonlnu | the data will get transferred over 20, commands and such on 21. which is why you're timing out. your client is not using active. |
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| 06:30.18 | innociv | Oh. Hey. If I select "active" as transfer mode it works. But I don't think winscp FTP method even has such a setting. |
| 06:30.21 | innociv | I had to use zilezilla. |
| 06:30.24 | simonlnu | like i said, read some basic docs, then this will be easier for you to figure out. |
| 06:30.37 | simonlnu | see? :) |
| 06:30.49 | innociv | But, I'm not the one using this. Other people are. Isn't telling them to select active too complicated? |
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| 06:32.32 | simonlnu | no, it's pretty common actually, to tell people to use active or passive |
| 06:32.37 | qdb | hello. how to list packages that are to autoremove |
| 06:33.09 | simonlnu | no idea, but i suppose man apt-get has the proper switches and commands |
| 06:33.19 | innociv | So I should just tell them to use active instead of opening ports 60,000-65535 or something? |
| 06:33.21 | qdb | simonlnu, i have read ir |
| 06:33.41 | simonlnu | innociv: sure, or do the latter. up to you. |
| 06:34.20 | qdb | simonlnu, seems apt-get -s install gedit shows them, but after i installed several packages, it do not show any more |
| 06:34.25 | simonlnu | qdb: ok, so no mention of it? maybe if you just do a fake install run, it'll give you a list anyway. |
| 06:34.35 | qdb | yes |
| 06:34.49 | qdb | they are none then |
| 06:34.53 | simonlnu | probably because installing gedit made some go 'install' instead of 'purge' |
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| 06:36.06 | qdb | simonlnu, i purged evolution and gedit totem etc was to autoremove, i installed them and they and several packages deleted from autoremove list |
| 06:36.11 | simonlnu | innociv: there's advantages to both, and disadvantages. also, you're sure you don't want to use something like scp or sftp (also ssh-based) instead? |
| 06:36.22 | simonlnu | qdb: makes sense |
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| 06:36.37 | innociv | simonlnu I tried sftp and had two problems. |
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| 06:37.03 | innociv | One is that I couldn't figure a way to limit it. As in, limit file extensions being uploaded/renamed, limit storage. |
| 06:37.28 | mahsom | How can fix this error : http://pastebin.com/8LPSGmrf |
| 06:37.31 | innociv | The other problem was that I had to create a linux user for each user, and php has no right to do that. |
| 06:37.34 | simonlnu | use quotas for space use |
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| 06:37.49 | innociv | Still, couldn't limit extensions. |
| 06:38.24 | simonlnu | restricted shell perhaps, or some other mechanism. hm. more difficult that one |
| 06:39.32 | simonlnu | mahsom: looks like a bug, or perhaps missing headers |
| 06:40.03 | simonlnu | mahsom: or that driver is thwe wrong one for that kernel |
| 06:40.10 | simonlnu | the |
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| 06:40.49 | mahsom | i use wlagn driver and work without any problem |
| 06:41.04 | simonlnu | innociv: either way, please at least make them use encryption |
| 06:41.41 | simonlnu | ftp is one of the most abused protocols |
| 06:42.59 | innociv | How do I do that? :x Rofl. |
| 06:43.27 | innociv | I guess googling proftpd encryption will help |
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| 06:43.57 | simonlnu | yes ;) |
| 06:44.16 | simonlnu | jQuery: you can't talk as root in here. not wise to irc as root. |
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| 06:45.10 | innociv | But why do I need encryption? So someone can see what password is being transmitted? |
| 06:46.19 | tensorpudding | encrypted ftp is probably not sufficiently secure either |
| 06:46.20 | karlpinc | innociv: Yes, that and your data. |
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| 06:46.46 | karlpinc | innociv: And, ftp sucks to firewall, so mostly it isn't and firewalls then let bad stuff in. |
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| 06:51.38 | simonlnu | tensorpudding: i agree; i'd feel comfortable if he decided to use sftp or something. |
| 06:51.52 | simonlnu | or webdavs or something |
| 06:52.09 | simonlnu | smacks himself for using 'or something' too much |
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| 06:52.51 | tensorpudding | it depends on your use case |
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| 06:53.09 | karlpinc | Nothing wrong with sftp (and there's the fireftp plugin for firefox so that the cluess can use it.) |
| 06:53.25 | tensorpudding | requiring a plugin is annoying |
| 06:53.32 | simonlnu | ftps you mean? |
| 06:53.41 | simonlnu | !sftp |
| 06:53.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, sftp is a program that provides FTP-like functionality over an ssh2 tunnel. Linux clients are in the packages openssh-client, filezilla, konqueror, gftp. The server is in the package openssh-server. For Windows clients, ask me about <winscp>, <filezilla>. See also <scp> and <sshfs>. |
| 06:53.41 | tensorpudding | requiring account management on the server is more annoying |
| 06:54.27 | karlpinc | tensorpudding: security is annoying. What can you do? ;-) |
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| 06:54.38 | tensorpudding | i don't recall it being able to jail users |
| 06:54.53 | simonlnu | ssh chroot |
| 06:54.56 | karlpinc | tensorpudding: Give them no shell. |
| 06:55.09 | simonlnu | /bin/false ;p |
| 06:55.14 | simonlnu | like ftp does |
| 06:55.31 | simonlnu | or similar things |
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| 06:57.52 | karlpinc | I still haven't found a handy ldap interface for account management. I hear RH open sourced one, or I thought so, but that was long ago. Not that I've looked in quite a while. |
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| 07:21.35 | valdyn | karlpinc: yea mean frontend to an ldap backend? |
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| 07:22.57 | valdyn | judd: versions ldap-account-manager |
| 07:22.58 | judd | Package: ldap-account-manager on i386 -- lenny: 2.3.0-1+lenny1; squeeze: 3.1.0-2; sid: 3.6-1; wheezy: 3.6-1 |
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| 07:49.56 | JoshuaP | I AMSG'D |
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| 09:01.34 | Mr_Queue | debian-administration.org down? |
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| 09:08.04 | babilen | Mr_Queue: Not really affiliated, but it looks like it. There are also a couple of websites that aid in answering questions like this. Search for "down for everyone but me" or so :) |
| 09:09.27 | daemonkeeper | Although I have yet to experience such a case where a page would have been down for me only but the remaining parts of the Internet worked just fine. |
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| 09:13.18 | p_quarles | it can happen, though, if you have a weird route to the site; obviously other people would be affected, but not enough that you would know any of them |
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| 09:15.19 | daemonkeeper | Indeed. However, such "weird" routes must lie within your provider's AS. As soon as they are on the destination AS or in a transit AS many more people would be affected. On the other hand, if the problem is within your provider's AS, everyone shares the problem although the actual site one tries to reach may be different. |
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| 09:20.01 | p_quarles | yes, and generally you would think a problem with your provider's routing would affect more than just a few sites |
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| 09:20.28 | cesurasean | how do i install http://www.sphinxsearch.com/, or sphinx on debian squeeze, y'all? :) |
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| 09:21.48 | cesurasean | anyone der? |
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| 09:24.13 | brianmwaters | what is the meaning of the letters and numbers after the + symbol in some debian package versions, ie, tcpdump_4.4.1-2+b1.i386.deb? |
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| 09:27.25 | nkuttler | brianmwaters: where did you get that package from? |
| 09:28.03 | boudiccas | ,versions tcpdump |
| 09:28.04 | judd | Package: tcpdump on i386 -- lenny: 3.9.8-4; squeeze: 4.1.1-1; sid: 4.1.1-2+b1; wheezy: 4.1.1-2+b1; experimental: 4.2.0~rc1-2 |
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| 09:29.02 | brianmwaters | nktuttler: that package is in Wheezy, but i think the question applies to all debians |
| 09:29.35 | nkuttler | i see 4.2 in experimental, no 4.4. i'd check the changelog |
| 09:30.00 | nkuttler | could be some patch i guess. +b1.. |
| 09:30.19 | nkuttler | brianmwaters: for versioning in general i guess the debian policy |
| 09:30.29 | daemonkeeper | brianmwaters: A + is a version declaration as used by Debian to denote minor versions after a given point release (e.g. 4.1.1-2 came before 4.1.1-2+b1). In particular +b1 means a binNMU |
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| 09:30.56 | nkuttler | ah |
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| 09:32.39 | brianmwaters | daemonkeeper: then why isn't it numerical? i have seen others that contain words, etc. are there rules specifically spelled out for that, or does it depend on the package? |
| 09:33.31 | nkuttler | 1 is somewhat numerical |
| 09:33.41 | brianmwaters | but b isn't |
| 09:33.43 | daemonkeeper | brianmwaters: Versions do not need to be strictly numeric. Our policy defines (pretty complicated) how ordering is guaranteed. See http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version |
| 09:34.16 | nkuttler | brianmwaters: also http://wiki.debian.org/binNMU |
| 09:34.35 | brianmwaters | ty |
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| 09:36.53 | simonlnu | nkuttler: especially if you type it like an l :P |
| 09:37.27 | cesurasean | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:37.56 | nkuttler | cesurasean: apt-cache search sphinx |
| 09:37.59 | simonlnu | ,versions sphinxsearch |
| 09:38.00 | judd | Package: sphinxsearch on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.9-6; sid: 0.9.9+2.0.2beta-1; wheezy: 0.9.9+2.0.2beta-1 |
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| 09:38.16 | simonlnu | cesurasean: you would have found it if you searched for it... |
| 09:38.28 | simonlnu | !lazy |
| 09:38.28 | dpkg | Well, we don't service lazy people, sorry. |
| 09:39.30 | p_quarles | if we don't service lazy people then who will? |
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| 09:47.04 | rly | $ last => Perhaps this file was removed by the operator to prevent logging last info. |
| 09:47.22 | rly | Is that a good sign of some hacker having visited my machine? |
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| 09:47.46 | rly | Because I am sure, I never removed it. |
| 09:49.52 | rly | http://old.honeynet.org/papers/enemy3/ suggests I have been. |
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| 09:53.10 | nkuttler | rly: hm? was that the output last produces? |
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| 09:53.58 | rly | nkuttler: yes |
| 09:54.24 | rly | I also don't know whether it was ever enabled. |
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| 09:57.33 | nkuttler | rly: it looks like /var/log/wtmp might have been deleted. but then there's also /var/log/wtmp.1 which could mean the log is being rotated, and maybe you ran last just during/after that. only guessing though |
| 09:58.01 | nkuttler | i've never seen that message though and last runs every time i start a new shell |
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| 09:58.46 | rly | nkuttler: it does say 'last login from machine xyz'. |
| 09:58.55 | rly | nkuttler: but that's not the same as running last on the machine. |
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| 09:59.47 | rly | nkuttler: no file starting with /var/log/wtmp exists on the system. |
| 10:00.24 | rly | nkuttler: my locate database does contain an entry for /var/log/wtmp. |
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| 10:00.32 | nkuttler | well time to check your auth logs i guess |
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| 10:03.12 | rly | nkuttler: any way to search it for some known bad patterns? |
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| 10:03.47 | rly | Why doesn't the OS simply keep track of such important files by default? |
| 10:04.17 | nkuttler | rly: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
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| 10:04.55 | cjhnz | I am running Fedora 13, and am having a problem getting my Logitech C270 webcam working with Flash 11 and Skype 2.2. The camera works in Cheese as UVC Camera /dev/video0. Skype detects camera but no image is received. Flash does not detect camera. I tried loading v4l1compat.so at the terminal, but this did not help either. |
| 10:05.17 | nkuttler | cjhnz: you're on #debian |
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| 10:05.34 | cjhnz | whoops, duh. It's late... |
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| 10:10.11 | boudiccas | odd, xchat has become unresponsive |
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| 10:18.35 | rly | Where is the locate database usually placed? |
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| 10:20.10 | marti | hi I got problem with my evolution client mail on my Debian Testing. |
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| 10:20.25 | marti | when I try run this app I see seg fail |
| 10:21.03 | marti | extension "GLX" is missing on display 0.0 |
| 10:21.16 | marti | after upgrade system apps |
| 10:21.25 | marti | Evolution included |
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| 10:25.26 | ajikeshi__ | marti, kernel upgrade? and you didnt recompile the kernel module for your graphics card? |
| 10:26.37 | marti | I used apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:26.54 | marti | Few days ago kernel has upgraded |
| 10:27.28 | valdyn | marti: reboot once and retry please before you ask any more questions about this, If you have not already done that |
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| 10:28.37 | rly | valdyn: do you know any reason for /var/log/wtmp not existing? This particular machine is 7 years old or so and has always upgraded Debian. |
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| 10:28.58 | marti | that was few days agoin |
| 10:29.00 | marti | ago |
| 10:29.10 | marti | PC has been restarted many times |
| 10:29.11 | valdyn | rly: i dont know, its not to unusual that it breaks |
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| 10:29.59 | valdyn | marti: paste the outputs of "lsmod" and the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf please |
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| 10:33.38 | rly | In which file format is wtmp.1 stored? |
| 10:33.48 | rly | It comes up as 'data' according to file. |
| 10:33.51 | valdyn | rly: man wtmp |
| 10:34.24 | rly | valdyn: thanks |
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| 10:41.55 | WiLd_TuRkeY | dies from to much technology |
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| 10:53.23 | innociv | How do I make the newly created folders in a folder be 755? They are 700. |
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| 10:54.41 | nkuttler | innociv: in bash? help umask |
| 10:55.32 | innociv | Whattt... |
| 10:55.36 | innociv | I don't understand that. |
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| 10:57.20 | innociv | Anyway. I did chmod -R 755 on this directory, but the newly create folders are 700. |
| 10:57.50 | innociv | The folders that proftpd creates, that is. |
| 10:59.14 | cesurasean | what has debian devs been up to lately? |
| 10:59.37 | cesurasean | :) |
| 11:00.45 | nkuttler | cesurasean: there are mailing lists you can check |
| 11:00.53 | innociv | I'll just go to sleep for now. |
| 11:00.54 | nkuttler | innociv: that sounds more like a proftpd configuration issue |
| 11:01.02 | innociv | Yeah. |
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| 11:02.23 | innociv | Found the config line |
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| 11:02.51 | cesurasean | nkuttler, i hate mailing lists. fills up your email. lol |
| 11:03.01 | cesurasean | I can hardly keep up with Amanda's, or any other mailing list I use... |
| 11:03.03 | cesurasean | too much crap. |
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| 11:03.27 | cesurasean | someone needs to build something for the debian devs to use to collab with, and chat, etc on a daily basis.... |
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| 11:03.45 | cesurasean | integrate with their current systems... |
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| 11:04.29 | xingu | some sort of chat relay system |
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| 11:04.47 | cesurasean | yeah |
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| 11:05.35 | cesurasean | :) |
| 11:05.40 | nkuttler | like... irc and email and stuff.. |
| 11:05.47 | cesurasean | lol |
| 11:05.48 | cesurasean | no |
| 11:05.51 | cesurasean | something *new* |
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| 11:06.10 | nkuttler | or maybe a network to connect networks of computers |
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| 11:06.22 | cesurasean | that's like telling someone to use heroin because they used it in the 1920's....... |
| 11:06.43 | mikejw | after installing perl modules with cpan do I need to edit my include path to include /root/.cpan/ ? |
| 11:06.47 | cesurasean | and sold it in sear's catalogs |
| 11:06.59 | xingu | bloody generics, they clone everything. |
| 11:07.22 | nkuttler | mikejw: try dh-make-perl |
| 11:08.17 | cesurasean | xingu, you are saying my idea couldn't benefit more than original ideas today? i beg to differ. |
| 11:08.34 | mikejw | nkuttler: thanks :) |
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| 11:09.05 | cesurasean | in fact, many great inventions were "clones" as you call it |
| 11:09.13 | cesurasean | weren't AC, and DC electricity that way? |
| 11:09.21 | cesurasean | competing factors? |
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| 11:12.32 | xingu | cesurasean: heroin is a brand name. |
| 11:13.01 | cesurasean | i wonder if mark zuckerberg's friends try to hide anything from him that they do on facebook? |
| 11:13.07 | cesurasean | lol |
| 11:13.15 | cesurasean | probably not. he must lead a weird life. |
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| 11:17.56 | rly | cesurasean: I think douche bags are off-topic. |
| 11:18.21 | cesurasean | fly, fuck you. |
| 11:18.26 | cesurasean | or rly |
| 11:18.31 | cesurasean | whatever your name is. |
| 11:18.52 | cesurasean | no one cares what you think. if you've got something computer related, say it, or nothing at all. |
| 11:19.16 | daemonkeeper | cesurasean: Stop it. It is you who is being off-topic here. |
| 11:19.34 | cesurasean | yeah, but I'm not calling anyone names. |
| 11:19.48 | cesurasean | like a child. |
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| 11:20.45 | valdyn | !tell Night_Elf -about away |
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| 11:24.36 | Night_Elf | All right. Looks sensible. |
| 11:26.04 | cesurasean | how do i run sphinx search in debian? |
| 11:26.19 | mikejw | nkuttler: hmm this is proving difficult.. |
| 11:26.30 | mikejw | how come I can't just install missing modules with cpan? |
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| 11:27.37 | nkuttler | mikejw: you probably want to configure which directory cpan tries to install to. iirc cpan asks for that the first time you run it |
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| 11:28.15 | nkuttler | cesurasean: /usr/share/doc/<package> |
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| 11:28.59 | cesurasean | nkuttler, thank you. |
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| 11:31.37 | mikejw | nkuttler: ok :) |
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| 11:35.38 | PerfDave | mikejw: If you want to install CPAN-upstream modules, look at local::lib |
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| 11:36.41 | PerfDave | dh-make-perl helps build Debian packages from CPAN, but that can cause compatibility issues with existing distro-packaged modules. |
| 11:37.12 | PerfDave | Generally, whatever distro I'm using, I leave system Perl to itself and use local::lib for my apps. |
| 11:39.42 | mikejw | ok makes sense |
| 11:39.46 | mikejw | what is local::lib? |
| 11:40.31 | mikejw | ..looking at the docs now :) |
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| 11:43.23 | mikejw | PerfDave: thanks |
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| 11:44.12 | PerfDave | local::lib is packaged as liblocal-lib-perl IIRC |
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| 12:10.39 | superlinux | hi. how can I configure X11 to run on two different GPUs? |
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| 12:11.39 | Utopiah | hi #debian , does dpkg keep installation date? Id like to list installed packages sorted by date of installation |
| 12:11.58 | epsilon | superlinux: yes. yes it's nasty. yes you want to avoid it. |
| 12:12.49 | Utopiah | seems so, nice |
| 12:13.07 | epsilon | superlinux: if you need multiple screens and the possibility to use cards supporting this, use it instead |
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| 12:13.52 | superlinux | epsilon, I have a RedeonHD 6400M VGA and an intel VGA. the intel is used when on low power consumption |
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| 12:19.29 | superlinux | epsilon, maybe you did not get my question. my laptop already has two GPUs. |
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| 12:19.48 | superlinux | I need the xorg.conf |
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| 12:28.45 | rly | superlinux: I doubt such features are supported by the always lagging Linux hardware support. |
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| 12:32.03 | superlinux | rly, I even cannot watch the videos. I can hear them only! |
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| 12:32.28 | rly | superlinux: I think you should just aim to get one of them working. |
| 12:33.15 | superlinux | rly, one of them DOES work. but without video being seen |
| 12:33.25 | superlinux | i'll see if I use vesa |
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| 12:41.38 | Silent | davidgul You're fat. |
| 12:41.43 | Silent | Hey guys |
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| 12:41.50 | Silent | We're having some issues with FreeNX |
| 12:42.08 | Silent | It fails to login every time we change the port to something other than 22 |
| 12:42.19 | Silent | Something that has to do with security |
| 12:42.57 | ompaul | Silent: so you have your machine allowing logins on other ports? cos its not the client and freenx is a dog no matter what ;-) |
| 12:44.06 | Silent | Well we hve SSH configured fro port 1026 |
| 12:44.10 | ompaul | changing ports is generally security though obscurity and therefore to be avoided |
| 12:44.12 | Silent | That causes FreeNX to fail. |
| 12:44.51 | ompaul | are you sure there is no firewall at 1026 can you ssh to it anyway? |
| 12:45.04 | Silent | SSH works fine on port 1026 |
| 12:45.08 | Silent | So yeah. |
| 12:45.17 | davidgul | authentication failed for user fang |
| 12:46.16 | Silent | Yeah that's the error we get |
| 12:46.32 | Silent | Username and password are correct. |
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| 12:50.52 | Eth23 | hello |
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| 12:51.18 | filePeter | Hi, on my lvm where / is mounted on i want to change the main disk. How I can I make grub to be installed properly on the new disk to remove the other? |
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| 12:52.55 | Eth23 | Can anyone help me about installing a printer on a local network? My printer is just installed on my debian server..and now? :( |
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| 12:53.33 | filePeter | Eth23: Do you want to use it as a ipp printer or share it via samba to windows hosts? |
| 12:53.49 | cahoot | even win can use ipp |
| 12:54.04 | filePeter | cahoot: Sure… |
| 12:54.53 | Eth23 | filePeter, don't know what IPP PRINTER is...i want to use it with my windows and debian linux computers (they are connected in the local network) |
| 12:55.09 | cahoot | Eth23, try browing to <server>:631 from the clients and set up from there |
| 12:55.32 | Eth23 | cahoot, can't connect to server:631 o.o |
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| 12:55.53 | filePeter | Eth23: ip:631 ? |
| 12:55.58 | Eth23 | 192.168.1.1:631 |
| 12:56.09 | Eth23 | can't connect.. |
| 12:56.10 | cahoot | so cupsd's not running then |
| 12:56.13 | Eth23 | the port isn't open |
| 12:56.23 | Eth23 | cahoot, probably i have another port..wait i'll check :) |
| 12:56.32 | filePeter | Eth23: or did you configure cups to block 631 from net? |
| 12:56.45 | cahoot | Eth23, ...or not accepting connections from LAN |
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| 12:57.45 | Eth23 | cahoot, filePeter i have 49631 port open.. but I can't access to server:49631 (DENIED) but I can connect to server:49631/printers |
| 12:58.30 | Eth23 | in server:49631/printers I have: Home - Administration - Classes - Online Help - Jobs - Printers |
| 12:58.38 | Mogget | I realize this is not the correct place to be asking this, but I am having troubles with icedove and wish to start it in verbose mode through the console. Any know if this is possible other than using gdb to debug it? |
| 12:58.42 | Eth23 | i can't use none of them..because it says "DENIED" |
| 12:59.28 | filePeter | Eth23: What says denied? |
| 12:59.30 | rly | Mogget: there is no such option. |
| 12:59.51 | Eth23 | filePeter, if i click on administration or other options the web page it opens is "DENIED" |
| 13:00.10 | davidgul | guys how can i disable my firewall in debian |
| 13:00.18 | Eth23 | filePeter, server:49631/printers is "PRINTERS - CUPS 1.5.0" |
| 13:00.20 | Mogget | rly: thank you for the answer. |
| 13:00.21 | filePeter | Eth23: Ah… Then its smth with the acces rights then… |
| 13:00.23 | Silent | If there is a firewall at all. |
| 13:00.23 | Eth23 | so CUPS is on my system |
| 13:00.34 | Silent | How do you check if you have a firewall? |
| 13:01.54 | filePeter | Silent: On which system? Remote? Local? - Actually you can only check if there is something certain firewalled, but a „firewall“ as is, is not what I guess you could diagnose… |
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| 13:02.07 | Silent | Local |
| 13:02.20 | Silent | Hmm |
| 13:02.27 | Silent | Does Deb have a firewall by default? |
| 13:02.54 | Silent | Or do I need to check a specific port? |
| 13:02.59 | Eth23 | Silent, no firewall |
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| 13:03.25 | filePeter | Silent: yes, there in no „firewall“ like a thing that you can buy for windows… - but you can think of ports |
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| 13:03.58 | cahoot | Eth23, look into /etc/cpus/cupsd.conf on the server, it's commented, see what you need enable to make the printer accessible on the LAN |
| 13:04.14 | cahoot | meh /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
| 13:04.31 | Eth23 | cahoot, ok thank you so much, i'll try and tell you if I'll solve :) |
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| 13:05.32 | Silent | I see |
| 13:05.49 | Silent | So no port is blocked by default? |
| 13:06.49 | Eth23 | Silent, no port is blocked by default |
| 13:07.03 | Silent | Thank you. |
| 13:07.09 | Eth23 | Silent, use iptables -L if you want to check rules/blocked ports |
| 13:07.40 | cahoot | Silent, no port is 'open' unless you have something listening on it |
| 13:08.05 | Silent | We have NX and SSH on port 1026 |
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| 13:08.21 | Silent | I thought that maybe Deb allowed SSH and blocked NX. |
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| 13:08.40 | Silent | But meh |
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| 13:12.08 | Silent | Anyone tried streaming music over VOIP? |
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| 13:12.35 | Silent | High-quality music that is. |
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| 13:13.23 | Eth23 | cahoot, ok...now I can use server:49631 but there is no printer o.O |
| 13:15.08 | cahoot | got a good reason for not using the defualt port for cups? |
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| 13:16.12 | Eth23 | cahoot, not :P i'll set 631 |
| 13:17.36 | ZinovaS | yesterday I installed squeeze, now while connected throu ssh i sometimes get http://paste.debian.net/150612/ to the console... what does that means? (system runs on raid1) |
| 13:19.26 | rly | ZinovaS: is that completely vanilla Squeeze? |
| 13:19.26 | Eth23 | cahoot, I probably solved :) |
| 13:19.35 | rly | ZinovaS: I suspect you also installed something else. |
| 13:20.42 | Eth23 | cahoot, no i can see the printer on server:631, i set it..now i must configure on clients I think...mm |
| 13:20.57 | ZinovaS | rly, i installed vim ssh sudo iptraf firmware-realtek etckeeper dhcp3-server pump (thats about it) |
| 13:21.52 | wildc4rd | for a basic desktop is it best to go with Stable or Testing (was guessing Stable) |
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| 13:22.36 | ZinovaS | but all these packages wokrs on other server without problems, allso i did not yet discovered any real problem without that scary messages ... |
| 13:22.50 | rly | ZinovaS: then I have no idea. It is a real problem, though. |
| 13:22.57 | rly | ZinovaS: crashing software is always bad. |
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| 13:25.12 | hivemind | where i can download libmp3lame.so for squeeze? |
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| 13:27.33 | rly | hivemind: apt-get install libmp3lame-dev |
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| 13:27.40 | arjun_ | hivemind, libmp3lame0 package. |
| 13:27.54 | dym | Feeling a bit daft asking this, but im on a debian laptop with gnome-terminal in a remote irssi session. for some strange reason i cant find the right keycombo to scroll back - any hints? |
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| 13:28.21 | hivemind | arjun_, rly, i don't see it, maybe i have to enable multimedia repo? |
| 13:28.32 | jelly-home | ,versions libmp3lame-dev |
| 13:28.34 | judd | Package: libmp3lame-dev on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 3.98.2-0.4; squeeze-multimedia: 3.98.4-0.0; squeeze-backports: 3.98.4+repack2-3~bpo60+1; sid: 3.99.3+repack1-1; wheezy: 3.99.3+repack1-1; sid-multimedia: 1:3.99.3-0.0; wheezy-multimedia: 1:3.99.3-0.0 |
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| 13:29.11 | jelly-home | hivemind: it seems you're going to need either backports.debian.org for squeeze, or debian-multimedia.org |
| 13:30.00 | hivemind | jelly-home, thanks, i'm enabled deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main repo on sources.list and waiting for aptitude update |
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| 13:30.26 | PerfDave | ZinovaS: You're running in a VMware VM? |
| 13:30.28 | hivemind | o, thanks, i see that packages |
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| 13:31.19 | rly | PerfDave: that's also what I noticed. |
| 13:31.42 | ZinovaS | PerfDave, nop, real hardware, and after that i got trace on the server display and needed to powerOff system |
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| 13:31.58 | PerfDave | ZinovaS: Hmm, I've only seen that when running inside VMWare, when the host OS hibernates |
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| 13:33.53 | magistr | црукуш |
| 13:34.10 | magistr | where i may get debian etch? |
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| 13:36.43 | specing | magistr: on the net' |
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| 13:38.10 | mjt | magistr: archive.debian.org may help |
| 13:38.50 | magistr | mjt, specing , ok, thanks |
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| 13:41.33 | sl1ck | Hello. How do I enable sound mixer (controls) in LXDE? |
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| 14:38.18 | billni | hello |
| 14:39.43 | billni | not specifically debian related, but maybe someone knows, there is a tool that let's you display notifications at the top/bottom/right/left of the screen, but i just can not remember it's name, maybe you guys know it? |
| 14:40.09 | billni | it has a lot of configuration options for how to display things (color...) |
| 14:40.31 | billni | it's a bit like dmenu, but just for notifications as far as i can remember |
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| 14:48.11 | MrFrood | billni: are you thinking of libnotify ? |
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| 14:50.18 | raven | any cmd tool to delete rw-disks? |
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| 14:54.07 | abrotman | raven: huh? delete how? |
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| 14:54.53 | Leoneof | i think he meant to format rw-disks |
| 14:55.17 | raven | abrotman, dvd-rw disks |
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| 14:57.37 | raven | Leoneof, right |
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| 15:01.02 | RobiX | is here public channel logging allowed (for discourse analysis)? |
| 15:01.09 | RobiX | wrong order ;) |
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| 15:05.02 | SVNDR | how can i set a MOTD that all user are able to see when they login? |
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| 15:05.23 | PerfDave | SVNDR: How do your users log in? |
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| 15:05.59 | SVNDR | PerfDave: SSH |
| 15:06.10 | SVNDR | ive set one, but it seems to only show it to me |
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| 15:08.44 | SVNDR | PerfDave: any ideas? |
| 15:09.11 | PerfDave | SVNDR: How did you set one? |
| 15:09.47 | raven | abrotman, Leoneof any idea? |
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| 15:10.48 | rmveras | issue.net |
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| 15:11.11 | SVNDR | PerfDave: /etc/motd |
| 15:11.14 | rmveras | or configure the motd that you want on sshd_config |
| 15:11.47 | SVNDR | rmveras: will issue.net show the MOTD to every user who logs in? because at the moment it always shows it to me |
| 15:12.07 | PerfDave | I would expect /etc/motd to be displayed to all users on login |
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| 15:12.28 | SVNDR | PerfDave: thats what i thought to |
| 15:12.41 | rmveras | SVNDR, on sshd_config change PrintMotd to yes |
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| 15:20.29 | SVNDR | rmveras: even though printmod is no its still shows the motd? |
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| 15:20.39 | pb3n4tt0 | hi all |
| 15:20.52 | pb3n4tt0 | i have some problems with hdmi and debian sid |
| 15:20.56 | pb3n4tt0 | any tips? |
| 15:21.09 | PerfDave | pb3n4tt0: Checked the BTS? |
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| 15:21.26 | PerfDave | SVNDR: Might be your shell login (.profile etc.) that's displaying the MOTD for you |
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| 15:21.55 | SVNDR | PerfDave: oh ok fair enough, well its working now so it will do :) until it breaks lol |
| 15:23.15 | pb3n4tt0 | PerfDave, BTS |
| 15:23.27 | pb3n4tt0 | ? |
| 15:23.43 | PerfDave | pb3n4tt0: The BTS is the thing you should know about if you're running sid, and check before asking for help on #debian |
| 15:23.47 | PerfDave | !tell pb3n4tt0 -about bts |
| 15:24.56 | pb3n4tt0 | PerfDave, gentleman |
| 15:25.26 | pb3n4tt0 | bug tracking system |
| 15:25.33 | pb3n4tt0 | PerfDave, is so dificult? |
| 15:25.34 | pb3n4tt0 | _)_ |
| 15:25.40 | pb3n4tt0 | asshole |
| 15:27.10 | SVNDR | PerfDave: i have a issue warning displayed for as soon as someone enters their login just before they are able to type their password.. i thought i done that in etc/issue but its not there.. what other file does this? |
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| 15:29.55 | PerfDave | SVNDR: what do you mean by an "issue warning"? |
| 15:30.31 | raven | how to format dvd/cd rw disk with cmd? |
| 15:30.34 | syockit | What is a good client for viewing mailing lists? Most needed feature is search function |
| 15:30.55 | SVNDR | you know when you SSH and just after you enter login, just before password you can display a msg? |
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| 15:33.52 | SVNDR | PerfDave: i found it.. it was /etc/ssh/sshd-banner |
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| 15:35.54 | PerfDave | syockit: Personally, I use kmail. |
| 15:36.51 | dury | hi there channel :) happy new year all |
| 15:37.16 | dvs | not yet! |
| 15:37.33 | syockit | PerfDave: mmhmm I'd like a lightweight solution... does kmail have indexed searching? |
| 15:39.09 | dury | mkdir - Make directory, creates a new directory. For example, mkdir -p project/programs/December creates the named directory. The -p option automatically creates any necessary parent directories. what does it mean that -p option automatically creates any necessary parent directories... what's that... anyone could explain med that in other words please? |
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| 15:39.54 | ZinovaS | i get "error: fd0 read error" right after "Welcome to GRUB!" with ~10 seconds delay. as i understand grub tries to boot from floppy? how can i disable that? |
| 15:42.08 | syockit | ZinovaS: 10 seconds delay, then do you still see Welcome to GRUB from the same grub, or does it seem to "reappear"? If latter, then it's probably about your BIOS boot order |
| 15:42.19 | frostschutz | dury: mkdir -p a/b/c is short for mkdir a, mkdir a/b, mkdir a/b/c (if a/b/ does not exist yet) |
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| 15:43.50 | meta-coder | What is the "all" architecture in http://www.debian.org/mirror/size ? Shouldn't all be 660 GB?? |
| 15:44.29 | ZinovaS | syockit, at first apears welcom, than ~10sec nothing happens and then i get that error, then after 3sec i get boot selection dialog |
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| 15:45.48 | dury | thanks indeed frostschutz |
| 15:45.52 | meta-coder | someone please clarify what is "all" in http://www.debian.org/mirror/size |
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| 15:47.49 | syockit | ZinovaS: so, is your floppy disk in your boot order? And is grub installed on your disk? If not, then somehow grub on your hard disk is trying to read fd0, but I don't think it would be doing that by default |
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| 15:49.01 | ZinovaS | syockit, just checked bios, no floppies in boot order, first was cdrom, changed to hdd, nothing changes. after instal there was line about fd0 in fstab. so i asume someone thinks there was a floppy connected... |
| 15:50.04 | ZinovaS | that pc does not have a floppy (just a floppy port on the MB) and it wasn't connected on the install time either.. |
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| 15:52.14 | ZinovaS | dosn't see anything related in /etc/default/grub |
| 15:52.40 | syockit | ZinovaS: if there was fd0 in fstab, then chances are the computer might be detecting that too when making grub cfg. |
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| 15:53.47 | ZinovaS | can I somehow disable that? |
| 15:53.52 | syockit | ZinovaS: try grepping /boot/grub/grub.cfg for fd0 |
| 15:54.46 | ZinovaS | syockit, fd0 not mentioned in that file.. :/ |
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| 15:55.13 | dury | now I want to copy a folder to /var/www/ with all permissions...by terminal. how would it be, then? |
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| 15:55.36 | PerfDave | dury: man cp |
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| 15:58.03 | syockit | ZinovaS: maybe you can delete that fd0 entry in fstab. but still, grub wouldn't be reading fstab before booting linux, right? |
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| 15:58.53 | ZinovaS | i deleted that the first time i saw it, but nothing changed... did update-grub few times... |
| 15:58.58 | syockit | dury: or check out www.commandlinefu.com and search your tips/tricks there |
| 15:59.25 | dury | all right |
| 16:00.17 | ZinovaS | syockit, is there something i can put in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" to disabpe floppy ? and then i boot with it i can update-grub and maybe it could help? |
| 16:00.31 | syockit | ZinovaS: your error message is like the one here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=65102 ? (note: no solution there) |
| 16:01.21 | ZinovaS | syockit, yes, i also have raid1 created at the install time |
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| 16:02.26 | thewanderer1 | hi. what's a way to stream sound to an Android phone from Debian? |
| 16:02.41 | ZinovaS | and my system boot normaly, problem is just a dellayin booting and the message |
| 16:04.08 | thewanderer1 | looking for something like a PulseAudio → IceCast bridge I suppose O.o |
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| 16:05.29 | syockit | ZinovaS: no, that environment variable is for the kernel boot options, like "quiet" or "nomodeset" "vga=793" etc. that no-floppy thing must be done while updating grub |
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| 16:06.33 | syockit | ZinovaS: for example, if installing manually, usually we'd do "grub-install --no-floppy ......" |
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| 16:07.40 | syockit | ZinovaS: so we need to find out how to modify the trigger script for grub update (that occurs when updating kernel/udev/grub etc.) |
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| 16:10.23 | ZinovaS | syockit, just tried sudo grub-install --no-floppy /dev/{sda|sdb|md1} doesnt helped.. :/ |
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| 16:12.00 | ampex | is it normal for ext4 to use device mapper? |
| 16:12.02 | ampex | I don't notice this for ext3 |
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| 16:12.51 | mjt | ext4 does not use device mapper |
| 16:13.31 | mjt | it, just like ext3 and any other filesystem, uses a block device, which, among other things, can be a device mapper or a partition or software raid or a ton of other things |
| 16:13.53 | mjt | in other words, you tell the system to create a filesystem on whatever block device you choose. |
| 16:14.58 | syockit | ZinovaS: oh, your bug is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/568720 |
| 16:15.06 | ZinovaS | syockit, it looks like fully disabling floppy in bios helped. strange.. |
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| 16:16.01 | syockit | ZinovaS: if you're not using the drive, then ok. It's a workaround, but not a solution (i.e. you have to reenable the drive if you want to use it next time). Not that we all will be using floppies anymore :) |
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| 16:17.54 | samsul | is away: cari makan |
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| 16:19.34 | ZinovaS | syockit, so its grub bug.. I wont use floppy for sure.. but that machine bios tends to reset from time to time by it self.. and default settings has a floppy enabled... hope next time ill be installing wheeze and it will have that bug fixed... |
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| 16:21.42 | ZinovaS | also the strange thing it looks like tha floppy problem mostly happens in raid1 configuration... supose then grub needs to boot from md array... |
| 16:22.31 | thewanderer1 | I'm trying to set up Chromium to use Tor as a SOCKS proxy, but when I click "proxy settings", KDE Proxy Config shows up, which does not offer any SOCKS field. any solution? |
| 16:23.33 | syockit | ZinovaS: according to http://bugs.debian.org/575199 certain BIOSes expose raid hdd as floppy disk |
| 16:23.58 | thewanderer1 | I guess I don't know how to configure a SOCKS proxy in KDE |
| 16:24.58 | syockit | thewanderer1: if you want to, you can try your luck in #kubuntu, many people familiar with kde over there |
| 16:25.15 | PerfDave | thewanderer1: Why would Chromium use the KDE proxy config? |
| 16:25.19 | ZinovaS | syockit, thats a software raid1, i thought bios cant detect that... |
| 16:25.24 | thewanderer1 | PerfDave, that is exactly what I'm wondering! |
| 16:25.44 | thewanderer1 | maybe because I'm running KDE right now |
| 16:26.09 | syockit | thewanderer1: quoting http://emilsedgh.info/blog/index.php?/archives/14-SOCKS-proxy-on-KDE.html "proxy 'is' supported ...... Bad news is, there's no UI to configure it" |
| 16:26.40 | forgotten | doesn't squid perform socks ? |
| 16:26.51 | thewanderer1 | syockit, hmm ok, no KDE4.7 even in Sid though :P |
| 16:27.00 | thewanderer1 | guess I'll use Iceweasel for the time being... |
| 16:27.13 | thewanderer1 | and nope, I'm so not going to run Squid :P |
| 16:28.20 | syockit | thewanderer1: oh drats! but must chromium use kde settings? |
| 16:28.28 | thewanderer1 | no idea O.o |
| 16:28.57 | thewanderer1 | another question that pops up is "does Flash use the proxy settings" :P |
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| 16:29.16 | wildc4rd | Afternoon all, I hate the new Gnome that comes with Ubuntu and am looking to change to Debian, can I still use Gnome 2 or something like it? |
| 16:29.33 | thewanderer1 | wildc4rd, Debian Stable currently has GNOME 2.30 |
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| 16:29.46 | wildc4rd | perfect! |
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| 16:30.31 | PerfDave | thewanderer1: You could always launch the browser with socksify |
| 16:30.54 | PerfDave | thewanderer1: #tor is very good at answerign questions about what uses browser proxies and what doesn't. IIRC Flash does and Java doesn't. |
| 16:31.30 | mangas | thewanderer1, you can use socks proxy with chromium by setting an env variable |
| 16:32.03 | mangas | or with parameters |
| 16:32.06 | forgotten | squid 2.7.STABLE9 is a solid release |
| 16:32.35 | mhall119 | wildc4rd: you should look into Mate, the Gnome 2 fork, as Gnome 2 itself is not longer going to be maintained |
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| 16:32.46 | ZinovaS | syockit, thanks for help |
| 16:33.17 | syockit | thewanderer1: I think it could be configurable through the flash settings page, but I don't really know |
| 16:33.34 | wildc4rd | ahh, OK mhall119, I'll do so once acquainted with Debian under Gnome |
| 16:34.18 | wildc4rd | hoping Ubuntu to Debian isn't going to be a painful step, lol |
| 16:34.28 | syockit | thewanderer1: try 'man chromium', there should be info about setting env variables. But not sure if it will override KDE settings |
| 16:35.25 | wildc4rd | Stuff |
| 16:35.33 | wildc4rd | oops, wrong window |
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| 16:36.15 | syockit | wildc4rd: btw what particular part of the new gnome that you don't like? because there is a way to make it look like the previous gnome. the new thing is known as gnome-shell, so maybe you can try running gnome3 without gnome-shell |
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| 16:37.31 | ChibaPet | syockit: there's no way to turn off shadows in Mutter. |
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| 16:38.00 | wildc4rd | I am running without the gnome shell (it was Unity and the side launcher thing I hated) but the top launcher bar still lacks the function of 2.* |
| 16:38.26 | mhall119 | you can run gnome-shell on Ubuntu as well |
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| 16:39.10 | mhall119 | but if you don't like minimal top panels and side launchers, changes are you won't like gnome-shell either |
| 16:39.26 | wildc4rd | yes, this installation is probably 6 or 7 years old now though, its time for a fresh start! lol |
| 16:39.30 | ChibaPet | I've become rather fond of xfce, although I might take a run at i3wm again sometime. |
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| 16:40.17 | berserkr | hello all. I have a problem when I connect an USB headset; the sound doesn't work... Only works when I start debian with the headset connected... but in this case, when I disconnect the headset, the default speakers doesn't work... |
| 16:41.06 | berserkr | I use Debian Squeeze |
| 16:41.29 | valdyn | berserkr: first one detected is the default device, thats all, im sure it works |
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| 16:43.29 | berserkr | valdyn: i don't know how can I do it |
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| 16:44.32 | xyan | meta-coder: still wondering? |
| 16:44.47 | syockit | thewanderer1: from http://forums.adobe.com/message/2992684 "http connection is mediated via browser, but for other connections, it depends on the how the flash app is written" |
| 16:44.49 | meta-coder | xyan, yes... |
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| 16:44.58 | berserkr | valdyn: ok, I found it |
| 16:45.10 | xyan | meta-coder: you have seen any _all_ packages yet? those are the common files which are arch independent |
| 16:45.46 | meta-coder | xyan, Oh! |
| 16:45.49 | xyan | :) |
| 16:45.59 | thewanderer1 | syockit, hmm, ok, so no proxy support I suppose |
| 16:46.40 | syockit | berserkr: Your debian installation is vanilla (i.e. no modification)? I wonder if pulseaudio is installed... |
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| 16:47.05 | meta-coder | so the effective size of i386 = sizeof(i386) + sizeof(all) |
| 16:47.23 | xyan | meta-coder: thats quite right i guess |
| 16:47.58 | berserkr | syockit: isn't installed |
| 16:48.16 | berserkr | i need it? |
| 16:48.20 | syockit | PerfDave: with socksify, does it intercept all connections from the program it launched with? Because if it does, than maybe it can work for flash, because the plugin runs as a subprocess |
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| 16:48.58 | acu | I have a small LAN with both ethernet and wireless computers - they get their IP from the same DHCP - so for example I have a computer connected through Ethernet and has IP 192.168.0.106 - and a Wireless connected computer - let's say 192.168.0.122 - and I cannot connect from the ethernet computer to the wireless - it says destination unreachable - is something with IP route - wonder how exactly can be solved ? |
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| 16:49.58 | thewanderer1 | acu, there is no routing involved. it's probably some kind of stupid L2 firewall on the "router". |
| 16:50.04 | syockit | berserkr: I don't know, as I'm not sure whether the default sound setup (that is, ALSA) handles hotplugging or not. And I'm not really sure if the hotplugging is a problem with USB driver or sound driver |
| 16:50.51 | jaakkos | the routing table of the lan computers must be configured to switch in 192.168.0.0/24 though. |
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| 16:51.29 | jaakkos | acu: what OSs are you running? |
| 16:51.29 | acu | thewanderer1: let me check, you may be right - it is a cheap router _ I thought I removed the firewall but let me see |
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| 16:51.58 | forgotten | where is the best place, via command line check whats starting upon bootup? |
| 16:51.59 | acu | jaakos: Debian Squeeze on the ethernet computer - Debian Wheezy on the Wireless |
| 16:52.01 | berserkr | syockit: what package contains this utility? |
| 16:52.05 | forgotten | to check* |
| 16:52.13 | thewanderer1 | jaakkos, if they are in 192.168.0.0/24, there will never be any routing in that subnet |
| 16:52.21 | acu | jaakkos ^^^ |
| 16:52.25 | berserkr | syockit: i mean the utility to handle hotplugging... alsa? alsa-utils? |
| 16:52.29 | jaakkos | thewanderer1: yes but the routing table of the lan computers must be configured to switch in 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 16:52.49 | maher | if i want to get a tablet to run debian which one should i get? |
| 16:52.55 | bamboozle | At random -- after a few hours to a few days -- my wireless network stops working and I can't get it to work without rebooting. |
| 16:52.58 | bamboozle | http://r0b0ts.org/~david/error.txt |
| 16:53.06 | bamboozle | That's what happens if I ifdown eth1 && ifup eth1 |
| 16:53.12 | jaakkos | that should happen by default usually |
| 16:53.16 | bamboozle | Any ideas? |
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| 16:53.40 | syockit | berserkr: no, alsa-utils only has command-line tools. it doesn't provide system configurations |
| 16:53.51 | thewanderer1 | maher, Lenovo ThinkPad X61 |
| 16:54.09 | jaakkos | acu: route -n should display a line similar to this: |
| 16:54.13 | jaakkos | 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 wlan0 |
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| 16:54.26 | jaakkos | acu: is this true on both hosts? |
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| 16:59.39 | acu | jaakkos: thanks I will check this now - I am looking at wifi router settings - WPS setting is ON WPS mode PBS have to see wheter that can screw things |
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| 17:00.30 | jaakkos | (on windows boxes, i've often seen broken routing tables that stop lan traffic or route lan traffic via the ISP gateway) |
| 17:01.17 | acu | jakkos: on the ethernet computer - route -n shows TWO LINES : 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 1 0 0 eth0 -----and 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 17:01.31 | jaakkos | yeah looks good |
| 17:01.43 | acu | let me see on the wifi |
| 17:03.37 | berserkr | syockit: then? what I need to see?? |
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| 17:07.24 | syockit | berserkr: there's a solution here but it's really difficult, and I think it may break at certain circumstances. http://superuser.com/questions/172514/alsa-usb-audio-hotplug |
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| 17:08.02 | berserkr | syockit: thanks :) |
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| 17:08.32 | dlynes | Hello. Just curious if someone might happen to know if something in the last set of squeeze updates would've broken the usb bus for Canon MF4350d devices? Previous to the update, my scanner/printer was working quite well. Now, it can't even be interrogated by udev/hotplug. I'm now getting "usb 3-2: device not accepting address 45, error -71", regardless of whether ehci_hcd is loaded, or not. |
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| 17:09.37 | daidalos | Hi. On lenny, I want to install package flashplugin-nonfree. I don't see the package when I do a search in aptitude, although my sources.list includes this line: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free. The package is in the contrib archive area according to this http://packages.debian.org/sid/flashplugin-nonfree, so it should show up in my aptitude. Any ideas? |
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| 17:09.55 | syockit | berserkr: the problem with usb audio not working if you don't boot with the headphones plugged in is because, your system does not load the module for it. so first, you may need to configure so that the module for usb audio is automatically loaded without needing to plug on boot |
| 17:10.25 | maher | dlynes: can you test it on a different box/possibly with a different usb cable? |
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| 17:11.08 | dlynes | maher, no. This is the only machine I've got, and as I mentioned. It was working yesterday. Absolutely nothing's changed between yesterday and today, other than the Debian updates. |
| 17:11.20 | maher | daidalos: did you do an aptitude update? |
| 17:11.33 | dlynes | maher, but, I will try a different cable, anyways |
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| 17:11.58 | maher | dlynes: dunno - did the kernel change? I didn't notice any changes relating to usb... |
| 17:12.01 | acu | jaakkos: I looked at the wifi it has three lines one extra Destination is 169 254.0.0 Gateway 000 Genmask 255.255.0.0 Flags UG Metric 1000 Ref 0 Use 0 Ifface W lan |
| 17:12.11 | daidalos | maher, yes I do an update on aptitude every couple of weeks. |
| 17:12.18 | berserkr | syockit: i know, but i don't know how can I do it... or where can I configure it... |
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| 17:12.27 | dlynes | maher, no. It's still the same kernel. |
| 17:13.44 | syockit | berserkr: first, let's check out alsa config. can you 'less /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf' and see if snd-usb-audio is there? |
| 17:13.55 | maher | daidalos: dunno - I can see it on my box |
| 17:13.59 | berserkr | yes, is here |
| 17:14.19 | jaakkos | acu: ok. but the 2 other lines were similar? |
| 17:14.37 | acu | yes - similar with the etho |
| 17:15.07 | berserkr | syockit: snd-usb-audio is on alsa-base.conf and now i don't reboot with the headset plugged... is configured with '-2' |
| 17:15.21 | daidalos | maher: do you have Lenny then? |
| 17:15.35 | jaakkos | acu: if you try pinging one of the IPs and then do "arp -n" (do everything on the same machine), would you see the IP you pinged, in the table that arp -n printed |
| 17:16.07 | berserkr | syockit: same that snd-pcsp |
| 17:16.11 | maher | daidalos: no i'm on squeeze |
| 17:16.45 | acu | jaakkos: let me see the arp - n on the wifi - meanwhile I was looking on this WPS Settnigs - Should I disable it ? |
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| 17:17.11 | dlynes | maher, odd....i guess the cable just suddenly decided to stop working...the one I just plugged in is working fine |
| 17:17.30 | maher | dlynes: well - that was easy ;) |
| 17:17.46 | jaakkos | acu: what thewanderer1 said could well be the case though, your wireless clients might be firewalled from the rest of the LAN |
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| 17:18.13 | jaakkos | acu: WPS is hardly relevant |
| 17:18.18 | berserkr | syockit: this is my alsa-base.conf http://pastebin.com/LzUPUu2f |
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| 17:18.40 | thewanderer1 | acu, I'd see what happens to ARP using tcpdump/wireshark if I were you |
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| 17:19.12 | syockit | berserkr: okay. same as mine. btw, that file wont change even if you boot plugged in. |
| 17:20.24 | syockit | berserkr: if you 'cat /proc/asound/cards' or 'cat /proc/asound/modules', how many devices appear? |
| 17:20.42 | berserkr | 2 devices |
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| 17:21.16 | jaakkos | acu: if your wifi box has a "vlan" (virtual lan) configuration, check if your wifi and ethernet ports are put to different vlans... this isolates them from each other. |
| 17:21.16 | berserkr | Nvidia (the motherborad) |
| 17:21.28 | syockit | berserkr: mmmm so that means there's snd-usb-audio in /proc/asound/modules? |
| 17:21.40 | berserkr | syockit: 2 devices, Nvidia(motherboard) and Default (usb) |
| 17:22.24 | syockit | berserkr: btw, this boot wasn't plugged in at first, right? |
| 17:22.29 | thewanderer1 | jaakkos, they can not be in different VLANs and have an overlapping L3 subnet... THAT would break! |
| 17:22.37 | berserkr | syockit: yes, 0 snd_hda_intel | 1 snd_usb_audio |
| 17:23.04 | syockit | berserkr: so now, no sound comes out from headset? |
| 17:23.12 | berserkr | syockit: no. I plugged the headset after boot |
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| 17:23.25 | berserkr | syockit: nope x( |
| 17:23.27 | acu | jaakkos: it is strange, from the wifi computer - I can ping and access through ssh the ehternet computer but not the opposite |
| 17:23.30 | hivemind | guuuys |
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| 17:23.37 | hivemind | can you help me please? |
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| 17:24.20 | ChibaPet | hivemind: restate your question please? |
| 17:24.25 | syockit | berserkr: in the current setup, actually the headset is working, but the applications are not configured to use it, because it defaults to using the onboard device (and whatever is plugged onto it i.e. non usb audio jack) |
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| 17:25.30 | acu | jakkos: where would I look for vlan configuration in the Wheezy wifi ? |
| 17:25.38 | jaakkos | the vlan is not the problem |
| 17:25.49 | hivemind | i'm installed an ffmpeg with the instruction from irc-channel. but after installing ffmpeg VLC is refusing to play .flv and other videofiles, he is playing only sound! GNOME Mplayer is playing, but saying about libvdpau_nvidia.so doesnt exist |
| 17:25.50 | jaakkos | the communication works 2-way in some cases |
| 17:26.27 | pksadiq | !find libvdpau_nvidia.so |
| 17:26.31 | mns | how do I get rid of an arp entry that says its "incomplete" ? I did "arp -i wlan0 -d <ip address>" and that does not get rid of it. Is there some other place its picking up the information from ? |
| 17:26.35 | jaakkos | acu: have you configured some software firewall on the wireless machine? it could also be that there is a setting in your wlan box that "prevents servers on wlan clients" |
| 17:26.37 | berserkr | syockit: ok, I understand. And is possible to configure that an application use the device that I want?? |
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| 17:27.06 | acu | jaakkos where should I look for that ? |
| 17:27.25 | hivemind | pksadiq, i tried to install nvidia-libvdpau1 from repo, but i see in dependecies! |
| 17:27.27 | jaakkos | well debian doesn't set up that stuff by default |
| 17:27.38 | hivemind | i don't want to update my kernel! |
| 17:28.09 | berserkr | syockit: what you say is totally correct. i try to play sound with another application and all works correctly |
| 17:28.11 | jaakkos | acu: just go through all menus on your wlan-box. |
| 17:28.38 | phogg | man mail suggests "see also aliases(5)", but man aliases doesn't find anything. Shouldn't having a mail(1) and an /etc/aliases mean I should have an aliases man page? |
| 17:29.43 | jordanm | phogg: main(1) is from a mailx package whereas /etc/aliases would be from an MTA package |
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| 17:30.10 | jordanm | phogg: if you had a MTA that has been removed or replaced, the /etc/aliases file would still exist |
| 17:30.13 | highclasshole | Does the 2.6.32-5 squeeze kernel support EXT4 with Trim? the discard mount option seems to work, so I'm guessing its patched? |
| 17:30.19 | jaakkos | thewanderer1: i'm thinking of that - if we consider a purely L2 switch, it should definitely be possible to have the same subnets in different VLANs |
| 17:30.54 | phogg | jordanm: I have exim, never removed it. Seems like it should have pulled in a doc package initially, then. |
| 17:30.55 | thewanderer1 | jaakkos, yes... but then it wouldn't route |
| 17:30.58 | syockit | berserkr: in that case, the detection is when apps start. Man, that sucks! There should be a way that magically swaps between internal and external for all running programs... too bad I don't have an external speaker to test with. Or else, I would or would not have proven that pulseaudio is useful for such situation. |
| 17:31.13 | highclasshole | anyone? |
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| 17:31.30 | berserkr | i try it (restart the application) and doesn't works |
| 17:31.36 | un214 | better hope your VLAN fencing is perfect |
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| 17:32.15 | un214 | incidentally, I once had 3 discontiguous subnets on the same LAN |
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| 17:33.09 | phogg | jordanm: any idea which package has the aliases man page? |
| 17:33.29 | un214 | apropos? |
| 17:33.38 | phogg | aha, should be exim4-config according to dlocate |
| 17:33.56 | phogg | where the manual is actually called etc-aliases |
| 17:34.26 | syockit | berserkr: just that application? |
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| 17:34.58 | jaakkos | acu: note that i'm asking you to look at the settings on your wlan access point when i said wlan-box, not the wlan client |
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| 17:35.14 | jaakkos | (< acu> jakkos: where would I look for vlan configuration in the Wheezy wifi ?) |
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| 17:35.24 | jaakkos | (again, forget about vlan though) |
| 17:35.34 | berserkr | syockit: i'm afraid not.. some application works, and another doesn't works |
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| 17:36.22 | jaakkos | do people in US ever use the term "wlan"? they only seemed to recognize "wifi" when i was there |
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| 17:36.52 | un214 | not very many jaakkos |
| 17:36.58 | phogg | so really the problem is that the exim4-config package does not provide a symlink to etc-aliases called aliases. |
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| 17:37.39 | berserkr | syockit: really the only application works now is Skype, i think because is the only in that i can choose the device by myself |
| 17:37.44 | phogg | postfix provides an aliases.5, as does manpages-{ja,pl,zh}, but not exim. |
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| 17:39.17 | syockit | berserkr: I see. Skype usually has direct control on which device to use. Other apps will depend on system settings. For example, if you have a mixer control program, you can choose which device to play sound to for all programs. |
| 17:39.28 | syockit | berserkr: are you using any of gnome/kde/xfce? |
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| 17:40.55 | syockit | berserkr: that 'alsa-utils' package you mentioned earlier has the command line 'alsamixer' tool, which is btw my default volume control program |
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| 17:42.49 | berserkr | syockit: i'm trying with it |
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| 17:43.07 | syockit | berserkr: oh drats, I don't seem to be able to change from my headphone (non-usb) to my speaker from that program! |
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| 17:44.52 | bamboozle | At random -- after a few hours to a few days -- my wireless network stops working and I can't get it to work without rebooting. If I try to take the interface down and then back up, I get: http://r0b0ts.org/~david/error.txt |
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| 17:47.29 | abrotman | did you try modprobe -r on the module? |
| 17:48.16 | berserkr | syockit: alsamixer only regulate the volume control, i think, not the primary sound device. |
| 17:49.55 | syockit | berserkr: yup, there's no way to turn off individual devices. btw it seems my soundcard is configured such that it can't play on both internal/external at the same time |
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| 17:52.38 | berserkr | syockit: someone up said something that with pulseaudio is possible to change the device for individual application, i think. i go to read about if is possible |
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| 17:53.26 | jaakkos | berserkr: you may want to look at .asoundrc |
| 17:54.20 | bamboozle | abrotman: Yes. |
| 17:54.21 | bamboozle | I did. |
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| 17:55.16 | berserkr | jaakkos: in ~? |
| 17:55.36 | jaakkos | berserkr: you probably don't have one by default |
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| 17:55.49 | berserkr | yep, i don't have one |
| 17:55.59 | syockit | berserkr: I know it is possible to set individual volumes, but don't know about devices. Anyways, it doesn't hurt to install it, my installation only needs package 'pulseaudio', and 'gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio' if there's anything that needs gstreamer. |
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| 17:56.51 | syockit | berserkr: and after installation, it's a good idea to restart once (I usually do 'shutdown now' because it doesn't make full reboot) |
| 17:57.31 | jaakkos | berserkr: http://alsa.opensrc.org/.asoundrc |
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| 17:57.57 | berserkr | jaakkos: thanks |
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| 17:59.16 | syockit | berserkr: according to ArchWiki, the app 'pavucontrol' allows control of simultaneous output per program |
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| 17:59.30 | syockit | berserkr: btw I'm going to bed, so good luck! |
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| 18:00.32 | berserkr | syockit: thanks for all x)) |
| 18:03.39 | jaakkos | using mpd with pulseaudio turned out to be quite non-trivial last time i tried... |
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| 18:05.22 | lacheln | Hey, I've got a problem with my audio. Only one application at a time will use the sound |
| 18:05.58 | nvz | sounds like you have a single channel sound card and no means of software mixing |
| 18:06.09 | nvz | which isn't a problem with anything but the user |
| 18:06.16 | lacheln | right |
| 18:06.22 | lacheln | and I tried doing this here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/sound-problem-only-one-channel-311260/ |
| 18:06.45 | lacheln | but the problem is, when I first got things set up, I had to change the default card to card 1 instead of card 0 |
| 18:06.56 | lacheln | and so for some reason, that code doesn't work |
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| 18:09.31 | nvz | shrugs |
| 18:09.45 | nvz | personally I use pulseaudio |
| 18:10.07 | lacheln | Yeah, I'm thinking about trying that out, nvz |
| 18:10.20 | nvz | lacheln: its great when it works.. but it can be a nightmare sometimes |
| 18:10.29 | lacheln | nvz: how so? |
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| 18:10.43 | nvz | lacheln: its just a really complicated system |
| 18:11.09 | nvz | I like it because it allows me to control sound on a per-application basis and even send it to remote sound devices over the network |
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| 18:12.13 | lacheln | Yeah, that sounds pretty neat |
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| 18:14.40 | nvz | despite a plethora of graphical frontends you still find yourself having to understand the inner workings and command line (pacmd) to use it more often than not |
| 18:15.00 | nvz | not to mention there are often complications with certain applications and pulseaudio |
| 18:15.08 | nvz | usually 3rd party stuff |
| 18:15.46 | nvz | the simplest things to use are often something like esd or dmix thats built in to alsa |
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| 18:24.42 | simonlnu | esd is dead |
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| 18:34.35 | Duker | Which 64-bit debian version is best for a web/minecraft server? |
| 18:35.50 | Dolev | anyone knows how to disable the mouse wheel button from pasting things i copy? |
| 18:36.03 | allorder | Duker: stable ? |
| 18:36.20 | Duker | allorder: Yea |
| 18:36.49 | yoshio | I have iceweasel 9, and re-installed flashplugin-nonfree on squeeze, it seems to indicate I have the latest version 11,1,102,55, and then re-started the browser. about:plugins doesn't see the flash plugin. what could be wrong? |
| 18:36.56 | Some_Person | How do I install "tun"? |
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| 18:38.07 | nkuttler | Some_Person: modprobe tun? |
| 18:38.28 | Some_Person | nkuttler: Doesn't work on my VPS |
| 18:38.29 | nvz | yoshio: apparently your 3rd party unsupported browser isnt looking in the right location for the plugin, link its plugin dir to the right one |
| 18:38.39 | Some_Person | nkuttler: FATAL: Module tun not found. |
| 18:38.39 | HS^ | hi with nsd dns server i can set this "ns1 IN A 1.23.45.67" |
| 18:38.39 | nkuttler | Some_Person: ask your hoster |
| 18:38.47 | allorder | Duker: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 18:38.48 | HS^ | is the ip suposed the be 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:38.50 | HS^ | or outward |
| 18:38.53 | HS^ | public |
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| 18:38.56 | Some_Person | There's no way I can just enable/install/whatever it? |
| 18:39.10 | nvz | Some_Person: no, its a kernel driver |
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| 18:39.44 | Some_Person | I had my host enable it for me a while back, and it worked, but today I rebooted my server, and it's now gone |
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| 18:39.51 | yoshio | nvz: it comes from mozilla.debian.net. I'll try to find where it's looking for plugins |
| 18:40.03 | Some_Person | How can it disappear like that? |
| 18:40.07 | nkuttler | Some_Person: ask your hoster |
| 18:40.15 | Duker | allorder: Thanks :D |
| 18:40.17 | jordanm | Some_Person: you will likely need to contact your hosting provider, since most VPS hosted VPS systems don't give you control over the kernel |
| 18:40.32 | Some_Person | I sent them a support ticket, and I hope they respond today |
| 18:40.42 | thewanderer1 | huh, OpenVZ? |
| 18:40.44 | nvz | yoshio: I've heard a lot of people breaking their systems with those. if it were me, i'd dpkg -L the package |
| 18:41.04 | Some_Person | thewanderer1: Yes, OpenVZ |
| 18:41.12 | jordanm | thewanderer1: openVZ gives you zero control, but even in xen, you have your own kernel but may not be able to control it |
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| 18:41.26 | thewanderer1 | you need CAP_NET_ADMIN to use tun devices - you won't be able to do that in OpenVZ anyway |
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| 18:41.37 | thewanderer1 | and if the host admin gives you CAP_NET_ADMIN, well, they're insane |
| 18:41.44 | jordanm | Some_Person: in that case, you are running off the host node's kernel, so changing the kernel will effect everyone else's vps |
| 18:41.45 | Some_Person | so only my host can enable tun |
| 18:41.54 | thewanderer1 | yes, and they will not do that... |
| 18:41.59 | Some_Person | They did it for me before |
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| 18:42.16 | Some_Person | They explicitly allow running OpenVPN on your VPS |
| 18:42.25 | thewanderer1 | probably didn't realize that CAP_NET_ADMIN allows you to compromise the whole system... oh well :D |
| 18:42.41 | simonlnu | acronym overload alert |
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| 18:43.29 | Some_Person | So if they enable it for me again, can I somehow make it permanent so it survives a reboot? |
| 18:43.47 | thewanderer1 | oh well, turns out "tun" doesn't need NET_ADMIN like tap does |
| 18:44.03 | Some_Person | I don't need tap, just tun |
| 18:44.04 | yoshio | nvz: dpkg -L shows /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins, which contains flash-mozilla.so libjavaplugin.so librhythmbox-itms-detection-plugin.so. flash-mozilla.so is a link to /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so, which is a link to /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so. |
| 18:44.19 | thewanderer1 | Some_Person, http://wiki.openvz.org/VPN_via_the_TUN/TAP_device#The_tunctl_problem |
| 18:44.40 | Some_Person | thewanderer1: -bash: tunctl: command not found |
| 18:44.58 | thewanderer1 | duh, you need to install it :P |
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| 18:45.04 | nvz | yoshio: then apparently the plugins are not compatible being that its not a debian issue I have no further advice other than to ask the people who made the package |
| 18:45.04 | Some_Person | Oh, I guess they need to enable it for me first |
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| 18:45.10 | simonlnu | ooooh ok. wtf is this? |
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| 18:45.32 | nvz | simonlnu: looks like a server crashed should be a netsplit but not showing up as one |
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| 18:46.16 | Some_Person | I have my doubts that anyone will even see my ticket on a weekend, especially New Years Eve :-( |
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| 18:46.59 | simonlnu | Some_Person: even if they do, they'll probably ignore it until the 2nd or 3rd |
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| 18:47.17 | simonlnu | wtf |
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| 18:56.08 | Some_Person | simonlnu: This sucks |
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| 18:57.07 | simonlnu | Some_Person: yeh, it does but until they reply and get to it, you're stuck in limbo. |
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| 18:58.02 | HS^ | hi with nsd dns server i can set this "ns1 IN A 1.23.45.67" |
| 18:58.15 | HS^ | is the ip the public ip? |
| 18:58.16 | thewanderer1 | OpenVZ should be forbidden for customer-purchased VPS. it's wonderful for service separation when *you* manage the machine, but completely hopeless with you as a prisoner within the container :P |
| 18:58.22 | Some_Person | I don't really know much about how this works, but why am I unable to install the kernel module myself? |
| 18:58.29 | jordanm | HS^: yes, that is a public IP |
| 18:58.37 | HS^ | ok |
| 18:58.46 | daidalos | maher: thanks for your input on flashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:58.49 | thewanderer1 | Some_Person, because you are in a virtual environment where certain actions are restricted. think of it like a binary hell :P |
| 18:58.57 | daidalos | happy new year to everybody. see you later |
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| 18:59.08 | Some_Person | thewanderer1: Can I at least try somehow? |
| 18:59.30 | thewanderer1 | Some_Person, sure... but you probably don't even have the kernel installed |
| 18:59.38 | Some_Person | thewanderer1: ? |
| 18:59.53 | Some_Person | You need a different kernel or something? I don't understand |
| 18:59.55 | thewanderer1 | the kernel is installed on the host, not in your container |
| 19:00.10 | thewanderer1 | and you do not have the kernel modules available |
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| 19:00.36 | Some_Person | but if that's the case, how can they enable tun for only one container? |
| 19:01.09 | Some_Person | When I hit the reboot button, I doubt I rebooted the entire host |
| 19:01.10 | thewanderer1 | Some_Person, they simply make a new device in /dev available to you |
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| 19:01.31 | thewanderer1 | it's virtualization - certain syscalls are filtered, changed on the fly, etc. |
| 19:01.47 | thewanderer1 | it's not a virtual machine where you can manage everything yourself. |
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| 19:02.30 | Some_Person | I think I get it |
| 19:02.54 | Some_Person | Maybe I shouldn't have gone for this dirt cheap VPS |
| 19:03.09 | bamboozle | Some_Person: i know that feeling mate |
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| 19:03.13 | bamboozle | $19/year VPS |
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| 19:03.16 | bamboozle | lol |
| 19:03.27 | Some_Person | This was about $15/year |
| 19:03.32 | bamboozle | what host |
| 19:03.35 | bamboozle | ? |
| 19:04.41 | Some_Person | It was a promo they were offering |
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| 19:05.54 | bamboozle | oic |
| 19:06.56 | Duker | Am I able to install http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-netinst.iso with a USB flash drive? |
| 19:07.24 | bamboozle | Duker: yes |
| 19:07.42 | Duker | What software should I use? LinuxLive didn't work |
| 19:08.16 | rypervenche | Duker: From Linux or Windows? |
| 19:08.16 | allorder | Duker: try UNetbootin |
| 19:08.18 | bamboozle | I'm not sure how to set up the HdMedia stuff manually, but if you google 'unetbootin' you can choose to install Debian squeeze HdMedia, and it will add a few files to the memory stick, then just copy the .iso onto it. |
| 19:08.28 | bamboozle | And boot! |
| 19:08.42 | yagoo | thinks you can use the whole usb drive-> cat <name>.iso > /dev/<usbdevice> |
| 19:08.54 | Duker | from windows |
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| 19:09.11 | Duker | bamboozle: Thank you |
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| 19:09.28 | bamboozle | Duker: np |
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| 19:10.02 | HS^ | can someone help me here? i have installed apache, and now i want an ftp user to login and be able to go to var/www and read/write files |
| 19:10.14 | HS^ | i 've googled all day |
| 19:10.25 | HS^ | every time either the user couldnt write or apache couldnt rea |
| 19:10.25 | HS^ | d |
| 19:10.27 | HS^ | or php |
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| 19:10.35 | HS^ | whats the easiest way to do this |
| 19:11.02 | yagoo | HS^, you want him to be full admin ? you should provide ssh if that were the case, otherwise use the publichtml module for apache - -(users will have ~/public_html to use) |
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| 19:12.18 | HS^ | no not ssh, some webediting tools work with ftp |
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| 19:12.42 | yagoo | HS^, hmm.. why do you want him to access /var/www .. just for uploading what exactly? |
| 19:12.55 | HS^ | the website |
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| 19:13.44 | HS^ | if i use the publichtml mod, can i set that website asdefault? |
| 19:14.10 | HS^ | i dont want http://ip/~user/ but just http://ip/ |
| 19:14.29 | yagoo | HS^, ya you can.. |
| 19:14.47 | HS^ | ok so then maybe this module is the solution |
| 19:14.48 | yagoo | HS^, it's a line or two.. |
| 19:15.19 | yagoo | HS^, well if you want not to use http://<>/~<user> .. then you set the DocumentRoot to not be /var/www |
| 19:15.43 | HS^ | but its the same thing |
| 19:15.52 | yagoo | HS^, an ideal solution would be to use VirtualHost to a canonical name.. but you'd have to setup a new dns name for that |
| 19:15.59 | HS^ | if i put it as /home/user/web then apache might not be able to read it anymore |
| 19:16.03 | HS^ | any files put in there |
| 19:16.18 | simonlnu | ... |
| 19:16.24 | HS^ | ok but im looking for the easiest solution :p |
| 19:16.41 | yagoo | HS^, well the easiest is to prevent him from damaging the system.. |
| 19:16.50 | yagoo | HS^, as i said it's like two lines.. |
| 19:17.04 | HS^ | what are you referring to now exactly? |
| 19:17.10 | yagoo | HS^, documentroot and another.. |
| 19:17.17 | yagoo | HS^, to the only thing.. the apache config |
| 19:17.27 | yagoo | hmm |
| 19:17.42 | yagoo | HS^, http://httpd.apache.org/docs/ |
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| 19:17.47 | yagoo | HS^, #apache |
| 19:17.51 | HS^ | ok |
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| 19:18.15 | yagoo | HS^, and yes.. hmm it may be problematic for the group owner to be www-data |
| 19:18.54 | yagoo | HS^, you may need something with publichtml mod or you may not.. depending which path you take.. i believe there's more than 1 way to do it.. i can't explain it to you.. you'll have to dig a bit |
| 19:19.19 | HS^ | ok np |
| 19:19.20 | simonlnu | there is, and it's configurable |
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| 19:19.32 | HS^ | mm it may be problematic for the group owner to be www-data |
| 19:19.40 | HS^ | thats what i had problems with alot |
| 19:20.25 | rubidious | Hello all, I'm running unstable, and lately I've been having a xorg issue. (My xorg is 1:7.6+10). The issue I've come across is some teal distortion in images and flash video which seems to randomly appear when browsing the web, then persist until I restart xorg. |
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| 19:20.33 | yagoo | HS^, well there's uncommon ways to overcome that but the easier path is to have the user only access his home folder.. it's all a matter of setting up apache.. i believe you wouldn't need more than 5 lines |
| 19:20.54 | rubidious | has anyone else experienced this issue? |
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| 19:22.05 | rubidious | I can verify that this occurs outside of firefox/web browsing as well |
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| 19:22.54 | simonlnu | HS^: you have both www-data and the user share a group and set group write on dirs |
| 19:23.10 | thewanderer1 | or you can handle it properly using ACL... |
| 19:23.20 | simonlnu | HS^: ...if you need that. it's wiser to not allow that, but in some cases you have to. |
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| 19:23.31 | simonlnu | yeh, with acls it's saner |
| 19:23.39 | nvz | rubidious: if you're running unstable you should know, that the answer to the question "is anyone else experiencing this issue?" is to check the bts, and the next step after finding that answer is to file a bug |
| 19:23.47 | thewanderer1 | without ACL, anyone in www-data can read and write over your passwords in php files... heh |
| 19:23.47 | yagoo | simonlnu, he said some applications will use ftp to upload files to the server.. webtools |
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| 19:24.44 | HS^ | yes |
| 19:24.53 | rubidious | nvz: bts? |
| 19:25.05 | nvz | !bts |
| 19:25.06 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
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| 19:25.19 | rubidious | thanks |
| 19:26.24 | mjt | what applications available in debian to watch analog TV using a tv tuner card? I know tvtime, are there any others? |
| 19:26.33 | nvz | rubidious: debian unstable is not for users who want new software, its for developers and testers. you should just go reinstall your system with stable and ask how to get newer packages or go use something other than debian |
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| 19:28.06 | streuner_ | mjt: kaffeine |
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| 19:29.26 | rubidious | I understand what stable is, thanks :) |
| 19:29.31 | rubidious | err unstable* |
| 19:30.39 | mjt | heh. tried zapping (tv app from gnome), it says it can't open /dev/video0 (while other players can) without any error message, and goes to endless 100%CPU loop when i acknowlege the message. |
| 19:31.34 | nvz | rubidious: apparently you don't because you didnt know what the bts is, and asked for help here |
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| 19:32.02 | nvz | mjt: check the bts, file a bug |
| 19:32.27 | mjt | its hopeless when an app does not even start |
| 19:32.55 | nvz | thats what strace and gdb is fore |
| 19:32.58 | nvz | for even |
| 19:33.08 | simonlnu | is after :P |
| 19:33.31 | mjt | strace shows it opens /dev/video0 and does some 20 ioctls on it, last one returns ENOTTY |
| 19:34.00 | streuner_ | simonlnu, nvz: happy new year, btw ;-) |
| 19:34.26 | simonlnu | hny streuner_ |
| 19:34.57 | mjt | heck. its 23:34 here and i just wanted to watch some tv thing for newyear |
| 19:35.18 | streuner_ | mjt: i tried zapping long time ago, it works sometimes,but with issues |
| 19:36.01 | PerfDave | still thinks unstable needs more libc breakages ;) |
| 19:36.07 | mjt | so far only tvtime works for me, but it has issues, i hoped there's some alternative. |
| 19:36.08 | streuner_ | mjt, in my experiences, tvtime works just well, and kaffeine has issues, but is pretty complete... |
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| 19:36.15 | mjt | heh |
| 19:37.02 | streuner_ | but, after all, its always a driver issue |
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| 19:38.04 | mjt | not really. i managed to get good picture in vlc for example, but it is impossible to switch channels in there. |
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| 19:38.39 | mjt | ditto for mplayer |
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| 19:39.06 | visof | I've used ez-ipupdate and the gnudip2.yi.org server, i got invalid login when using ez-ipupdate, Manual login to http://www.yi.org/login.shtml still works, can anyone help? |
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| 19:41.21 | visof | hi none around can help? |
| 19:41.36 | simonlnu | PerfDave: hehe |
| 19:42.33 | jhutchins_lt | visof: Is this a debian issue? |
| 19:43.04 | visof | jhutchins_lt: ok |
| 19:43.06 | visof | sorry |
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| 19:45.23 | xrdodrx | Hello, I'm using Debian Squeeze and I can't get sound to work on my Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) ... I'm in the audio group and no channels are muted |
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| 19:46.03 | highclasshole | Does the 2.6.32-5 squeeze kernel support EXT4 with Trim? the discard mount option seems to work, so I'm guessing its patched? |
| 19:46.15 | streuner_ | xrdodrx: what kind of chipset? |
| 19:46.54 | xrdodrx | streuner_, how might I find that out? :) It's an HP netbook. |
| 19:47.05 | streuner_ | xrdodrx: lspci -nn |
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| 19:48.14 | xrdodrx | streuner_, http://paste.debian.net/150640/ |
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| 19:48.49 | streuner_ | judd, pciid 8086:27d8 |
| 19:48.50 | judd | [8086:27d8] is 'N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:27d8 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 19:49.39 | highclasshole | anyone by chance know |
| 19:49.51 | xrdodrx | streuner_, that module is already loaded... |
| 19:49.56 | xrdodrx | snd-hda-intel |
| 19:49.57 | highclasshole | if the squeeze kernel supports trim |
| 19:49.58 | streuner_ | xrdodrx: oh, thats interesting, this chipset doesnt work with ALSA |
| 19:50.03 | xrdodrx | :o |
| 19:50.11 | xrdodrx | but it worked on Ubuntu? |
| 19:50.17 | xrdodrx | that's odd |
| 19:50.22 | streuner_ | xrdodrx: forget ALSA, since .29 there is bug in ALSA... |
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| 19:50.27 | xrdodrx | anything I can do? |
| 19:50.37 | streuner_ | xrdodrx: yes, just use OSS4 |
| 19:50.51 | streuner_ | xrdodrx: it work with OSS4 just fine |
| 19:51.07 | xrdodrx | streuner_, do you have a good page I can read about doing that? :) |
| 19:51.33 | streuner_ | xrdodrx: you dont need to do much, only install oss4-dkms |
| 19:51.53 | streuner_ | xrdodrx: make sure, you have the headers for your kernel installed before... |
| 19:52.12 | xrdodrx | it's offering to install them, streuner_ |
| 19:52.14 | xrdodrx | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.17 | xrdodrx | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.27 | streuner_ | ok, that should be enough |
| 19:52.28 | xrdodrx | should i install them before or let it run its course? |
| 19:52.30 | xrdodrx | okay |
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| 19:53.07 | streuner_ | prolly the modules of ALSA are loaded now, you may just need to reboot then |
| 19:53.18 | xrdodrx | alright :) |
| 19:53.39 | xrdodrx | i assume i'll be able to control the volume with xfce4-mixer? |
| 19:53.41 | xrdodrx | maybe not :s |
| 19:53.58 | streuner_ | xrdodrx: nah, ossxmix |
| 19:54.23 | xrdodrx | thanks a lot streuner_. will report back after insstall & reboot |
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| 19:54.36 | streuner_ | xrdodrx: there is a cli mixer in OSS4 as well, of course, but i have no idea how it works |
| 19:54.40 | streuner_ | good luck |
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| 19:56.16 | thewanderer1 | how does one search for dpkg factoids, again? |
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| 19:56.48 | streuner_ | thewanderer1: listkeys to search for factoids itself, listvals to search the whole contents of the factoids |
| 19:56.56 | thewanderer1 | thanks |
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| 20:00.40 | xrdodrx | streuner_, my sound works now but i can't figure how to change the volume like you said...ossxmix does nothing and there's no package with that name |
| 20:00.47 | xrdodrx | thanks for getting me this far :) |
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| 20:00.59 | streuner_ | xrdodrx: oss4-gtk i think |
| 20:01.05 | streuner_ | judd, versions oss4-gtk |
| 20:01.06 | judd | Package: oss4-gtk on i386 -- squeeze: 4.2-build2003-1; wheezy: 4.2-build2004-1; sid: 4.2-build2005-1 |
| 20:01.29 | Some_Person | Why can't these VPS companies just set up a big "Enable tun" button or something in their management thingy rather than making you contact them to manually do it? |
| 20:02.24 | streuner_ | xrdodrx: keep in mind, you have to configure some apps. for OSS4, opensound has a wiki about... |
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| 20:02.54 | daweefolk | hey what is the package for the glib header files called? |
| 20:03.24 | streuner_ | xrdodrx: http://www.opensound.com/wiki/index.php/Configuring_Applications_for_OSSv4 |
| 20:03.26 | xrdodrx | streuner_, it's way too quiet |
| 20:03.27 | xrdodrx | :< |
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| 20:03.54 | streuner_ | daweefolk: i guess, libc6-dev |
| 20:03.58 | xrdodrx | also my mute button light is blinking like crazy :o |
| 20:04.03 | xrdodrx | funny lol |
| 20:05.06 | streuner_ | xrdodrx: what happens if you start ossxmix? |
| 20:05.51 | xrdodrx | it starts up, i figured out the volume issue (one of the pcm things was on low) |
| 20:06.04 | xrdodrx | i wish i could find an applet for it since this computer is going to become my mom's |
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| 20:07.06 | rypervenche | What does Debian use for making apache2 not start up when you start your computer? I saw that RedHat uses chkconfig, what about Debian? |
| 20:07.07 | streuner_ | xrdodrx: you are using GNOME? |
| 20:07.17 | xrdodrx | xfce4 |
| 20:07.24 | xrdodrx | but i can get gnome aplets pretty easily |
| 20:07.36 | nkuttler | rypervenche: you can use rcconf, update-rc.d, see also /etc/init.d/README |
| 20:07.48 | streuner_ | xrdodrx: hm, there should be a start sequence for *ANY* apps. in xfce4 as well |
| 20:07.49 | rypervenche | nkuttler: Thank you. |
| 20:08.16 | streuner_ | xrdodrx: there is no applet for OSS4, IIRC |
| 20:08.34 | xrdodrx | that's okay, i'll just show the slider in ossxmix |
| 20:08.37 | xrdodrx | thanks for all the help |
| 20:08.38 | xrdodrx | :) |
| 20:08.41 | streuner_ | np |
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| 20:09.14 | daweefolk | is there a package for the twin window manager? |
| 20:09.39 | streuner_ | dpkg, tell daweefolk about search |
| 20:10.20 | yagoo | daweefolk, twin that's obsolete isn't it |
| 20:11.13 | daweefolk | yagoo: I did't know it was obsolete |
| 20:11.13 | yagoo | daweefolk, i tried that like a long while ago.. the dude who made it was from the military |
| 20:11.31 | yagoo | daweefolk, i dunno if it still works :/ |
| 20:11.46 | daweefolk | yagoo, know anything like it? |
| 20:12.00 | yagoo | daweefolk, you talking about this ? cuse thats what it sounds like http://sourceforge.net/projects/twin/files/ |
| 20:12.27 | yagoo | daweefolk, and not X11 a window manager i bet |
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| 20:12.56 | yagoo | says there's a good number of lightweight sound like *wm *win* |
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| 20:16.29 | highclasshole | I have a thinkpad X120e and cannot seem to get synaptics to work |
| 20:18.08 | highclasshole | the Xorg log looks like its loading "PS/2 Synaptics Touchpad" but synclient -l does nothing |
| 20:18.42 | dym | Hey - im running xmms2 using the nyxmms shell to skip tracks, etc - but im missing some sort of frontend (console wise) that shows current song playing any maybe lets me use up and downkeys to select a new track. any idea? |
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| 20:21.09 | highclasshole | synclient -l shows no driver loaded |
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| 20:26.56 | highclasshole | if I do xinput --list-pros 'PS/2 Synaptics TouchPad' it shows evdev properties but no Synaptics info |
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| 20:28.59 | yagoo | highclasshole, /(.)\ |
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| 20:30.54 | utkanos | hi there, I increased my ram from 4gb to 8gb in my system running debian 6 stable |
| 20:31.03 | utkanos | the system sees the new ram, however I am getting segfaults all over the place in random packages |
| 20:31.20 | utkanos | is there something I need to do within debian to resolve this, or is the ram not going to be compatible with the system? |
| 20:32.48 | PerfDave | utkanos: I doubt that's something caused by Linux |
| 20:33.06 | PerfDave | utkanos: Out of interest, are you running amd64? |
| 20:33.11 | utkanos | Ive never seen this behavior before, but google suggests its the ram |
| 20:33.12 | utkanos | yes I am |
| 20:33.25 | utkanos | even running apt-get update causes a segfault |
| 20:33.33 | utkanos | all my browsers segfault immediately upon launch, etc |
| 20:33.35 | PerfDave | Yeah, I'd try a memtest or something, that doesn't sound like an OS problem. |
| 20:33.40 | utkanos | well its new ram |
| 20:33.44 | utkanos | i put two extra dimms in |
| 20:33.49 | streuner_ | and? |
| 20:34.02 | utkanos | so it doesnt do this without said ram in the host |
| 20:34.03 | streuner_ | new RAMs doesnt say, its without errors... |
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| 20:34.25 | streuner_ | make a memtest as PerfDave already told you |
| 20:34.30 | utkanos | i realize this is likely the issue, but its strange that the system can read the new addition |
| 20:34.39 | utkanos | but yet not use it properly |
| 20:35.07 | PerfDave | utkanos: You might just want to try re-seating all the DIMMs to make sure they're in properly. |
| 20:35.18 | utkanos | they're in.. the system seems the ram as I said |
| 20:35.23 | utkanos | i went from 4gb to 8gb |
| 20:35.30 | PerfDave | utkanos: Yes, you want to make sure they're in *firmly* |
| 20:35.38 | PerfDave | Anyway, this doesn't seem to be a Linux or Debian problem. |
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| 20:35.49 | utkanos | they are in firmly. |
| 20:36.08 | utkanos | heh.. ok then |
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| 20:41.11 | dym | Does anyone know a good xmms2 console client that runs on debian? |
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| 20:48.52 | highclasshole | I just installed the backports version of xserver-xorg-synaptics |
| 20:48.55 | highclasshole | still nothing |
| 20:49.15 | highclasshole | xinput shows only evdev drivers for PS/2 Synaptics TouchPad |
| 20:49.26 | highclasshole | synclient -l says no drivers |
| 20:49.36 | highclasshole | I have the xorg.conf.d DeviceClass setup |
| 20:49.44 | highclasshole | but still nothing |
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| 20:58.01 | drithdx | I just want to say happy new year to all of you, and thank you for all the support, help and hard work to keep debian my preferred os. Cheers from Bulgaria! |
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| 20:59.33 | Duker | When trying to mount another drive as root user n ssh I get 'mount: can't find /dev/sdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 20:59.33 | Duker | ' |
| 21:00.20 | mangas | hi |
| 21:00.45 | mangas | i've been having trouble installing debian with kvm |
| 21:00.59 | mangas | does anyone know if there any special procedure? |
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| 21:01.07 | project2501a | happy new year, #debian! from saudi arabia! |
| 21:01.28 | mangas | the media is consistent |
| 21:01.39 | CrazyGir | I'm trying to reinstall grub (over lilo actually) on a system, and while I have been able to boot a livecd, chroot to the system, install grub, and run grub-install on the hd, when I reboot, I get the grub boot shell as if no menu.lst config were being generated. is there a step that I'm missing? |
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| 21:02.59 | mangas | CrazyEddy, you have to create the configuration |
| 21:03.03 | mangas | *file |
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| 21:03.35 | mangas | don't really know how to do it with grub-legacy though |
| 21:03.52 | highclasshole | anyone know? It says it applied evdev pointer catchall and loads driver evdev for my touchpad |
| 21:03.58 | highclasshole | instead of using my InputClass for synaptics |
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| 21:05.32 | CrazyGir | nevermind, found grub-mkconfig |
| 21:05.33 | CrazyGir | :D |
| 21:05.46 | Duker | Where would I find a second mounted drive under '/' in ftp? |
| 21:05.52 | Duker | I dont see it in mnt or media |
| 21:06.05 | Duker | Im new to no gui linux |
| 21:06.13 | mangas | CrazyGir, despite being wrong on the nickname that is kinda what i said :P |
| 21:07.32 | highclasshole | I can't even find where the evdev pointer catchall config even is? |
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| 21:07.53 | highclasshole | this is driving me nuts, I setup Xorg.conf the device clearly in it and the evdev catchall still blocks synaptics |
| 21:07.55 | highclasshole | apparently |
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| 21:09.02 | rypervenche | Duker: What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 21:09.29 | Duker | Just installed debain for the first time, trying to launch a server on a different drive than my os over ssh |
| 21:09.42 | Duker | I moutned it, but I dont see it in ftp |
| 21:09.57 | Duker | I used mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt |
| 21:10.16 | Duker | as just mount /dev/sdb1 returned an fstab mtab error |
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| 21:12.25 | rypervenche | Duker: What do you mean by "launch a server"? |
| 21:13.22 | Duker | a minecraft server, I want to run a .sh off it |
| 21:13.47 | rypervenche | Let's take this over to a PM |
| 21:14.15 | gezgin | highclasshole: quick help (did not follow the discussion from the beginning). Look at /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d. |
| 21:15.32 | highclasshole | I found that it was always using the evdev point policy I forced it to load synaptics instead of evdev it did load synaptics but then claimed no supported device |
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| 21:15.43 | highclasshole | this is a ThinkPad the device is showing as PS/2 Synaptics Touchpad |
| 21:16.01 | lapsusbrutus | how to intstall ati radeon HD4050 from apt? aptitude install fglrx + kernel headers? |
| 21:16.44 | highclasshole | gezgin: I am aware of those files now, too bad the debian documentation had no mention of that in their synaptics documentation |
| 21:17.52 | highclasshole | 'no supported touchpad found' |
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| 21:20.13 | gezgin | highclasshole: What about the kernel driver, psmouse is loaded? It should suffice for a generic support. |
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| 21:30.42 | jhutchins_lt | !thinkpad |
| 21:30.42 | dpkg | [thinkpad] one of the best laptops you can buy, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman. Some models restrict MiniPCI card use, see http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_unauthorized_MiniPCI_network_card . See also <gobi>, <hdapsd>, <martian>, <mwavem>, <slmodem>, <synaptics>, <tpb>, <trackpoint>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad http://www.thinkwiki.org/ ##ibmthinkpad on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:31.15 | jhutchins_lt | highclasshole: Many touchpads, including some synaptics models, do not have configuration options. |
| 21:31.48 | abaddon | !gobi |
| 21:31.48 | dpkg | [gobi 2000] The Qualcomm Gobi 2000 is a Wireless Wide Area Network (WWAN) Mini PCIe adapter (USB IDs 05c6:9204, 05c6:9205), found in some Lenovo <ThinkPad> models. This device is supported in Debian kernel images by the qcserial driver since linux-2.6 2.6.32-16 (BTS #585661). Firmware is required (amss.mbn, apps.mbn, UQCN.mbn), ask me about <gobi-loader>. |
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| 21:40.41 | nbnb | i have files that I can't delete. it gives me "No such file or directory" error.. I ran fsck -f on it but can't find any errors :( |
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| 21:44.15 | jordanm | nbnb: how are you determining the filename? |
| 21:44.37 | nbnb | jordam: I did rm * |
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| 21:45.20 | jordanm | nbnb: pastebin your full command, output and a "ls -l" of the directory you are running it in |
| 21:45.32 | nbnb | jordanm: it's just few files that I'm not able to delete. |
| 21:45.56 | jordanm | nbnb: pastebin your full command, output and a "ls -l" of the directory you are running it in |
| 21:46.25 | nbnb | jordanm: sorry. it's my first time here. how do i past to pastebin? |
| 21:46.31 | jordanm | !paste |
| 21:46.32 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
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| 21:48.29 | nbnb | jordanm: http://paste.debian.net/150642/ |
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| 21:49.17 | jordanm | nbnb: your filesystem looks very corrupted. what happened when you can the fsck? what options to did you pass to fsck? |
| 21:49.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | /o\ |
| 21:49.42 | jordanm | nbnb: oh.. that's a usb.. what filesystem is on it? |
| 21:50.16 | nbnb | jordanm: I ran it with fsck -f -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 |
| 21:50.19 | nbnb | it's ext3 |
| 21:50.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | cant be fat |
| 21:51.06 | nbnb | the broken characters are because it's asian UTF8 :(. |
| 21:51.32 | jordanm | nbnb: yes, but that's not why the permissions are broken and its failing to read inodes |
| 21:51.51 | nbnb | jordanm: oh... |
| 21:52.02 | jordanm | nbnb: what did the fsck output? |
| 21:52.11 | nbnb | jordanm: when i ran fsck it returned pass on 4 different stages. |
| 21:52.17 | dvs | guesses a missing umount |
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| 21:52.32 | nbnb | jordanm: trying to find the fsck message right now |
| 21:52.46 | jordanm | nbnb: pastebin tune2fs -l /dev/sdb1 |
| 21:53.55 | nbnb | jordanm: http://paste.debian.net/150643/ |
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| 21:54.48 | cafuego | nbnb: Just for kicks, what is the output of "echo *" in /media/usb/music/Latest/2009-08-01 ? |
| 21:55.00 | raven | vlc - where to set the capturing dir? |
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| 21:56.04 | jordanm | nbnb: are you sure that's the correct device? that's a 880GB filesystem |
| 21:57.07 | nbnb | http://paste.debian.net/150644/ |
| 21:57.30 | nbnb | it's my usb external hard drive with 880gb on one partition 120 on the other. (total 1tb) |
| 21:57.41 | cafuego | Ok, so the charset is *definiyely* not the problem |
| 21:58.01 | cafuego | nbnb: You didn't run fsck -f on it whyilst it was mounted, did you? |
| 21:58.19 | nbnb | cafuego: nope. did umount before running fsck -f. |
| 21:58.38 | cafuego | Are any of those songs rap music? Because then it's better that they're lost.. ;-) |
| 21:58.46 | jordanm | that is odd though. the shell was able to look up the filenames from the inodes, where ls was unable to do that |
| 21:59.01 | jordanm | oh |
| 21:59.09 | jordanm | nbnb: what does "type ls" say? |
| 21:59.19 | nbnb | cafuego: I want to delete these files and they won't go away :( |
| 21:59.25 | cafuego | nbnb: hah |
| 21:59.33 | nbnb | ls is hashed (/bin/ls) |
| 22:00.07 | raven | vlc - where to set the capturing dir? |
| 22:00.30 | cafuego | nbnb: Are there any errors in `dmesg' that relate to this disk? |
| 22:00.35 | nbnb | jordanm: I think file system is definitely corrupted because there were couple of power outages. :( |
| 22:00.55 | jordanm | nbnb: pastebin: smartctl -a /dev/sdb |
| 22:01.21 | nbnb | cafuego: nope ;( |
| 22:01.46 | cafuego | nbnb: Nono, that's :) and not :( |
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| 22:02.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | nbnb, the ????????? in your ls output is a rather clear indication that it's corrupted..... |
| 22:02.49 | nbnb | jordanm: installing "smartctl" rightnow |
| 22:02.54 | cafuego | CutMeOwnThroat: If I change my font and ls a dir with korean filesnames I guarantee you my non-corrupted fs will look broken too. |
| 22:03.23 | raven | vlc - where to set the capturing dir? |
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| 22:03.35 | cafuego | !tell raven -about repeat |
| 22:03.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | cafuego, why should it |
| 22:04.02 | lapsusbrutus | anyone knows how to install ati radeon drivers from apt? fglrx i guess |
| 22:04.24 | cafuego | CutMeOwnThroat: That's what it does |
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| 22:05.03 | cafuego | nbnb: and I take it you get the same "cannot access" error when you try to rm such a file? |
| 22:05.04 | jordanm | cafuego: yes, but this appears to output "????" for metadata other than the filename itself |
| 22:05.15 | cafuego | jordanm: aaah true |
| 22:05.26 | nbnb | cafuego: http://paste.debian.net/150645/ |
| 22:05.38 | nbnb | cafuego: yes |
| 22:05.40 | jordanm | awesome |
| 22:06.29 | jordanm | nbnb: I have to go, but just as a guess... "printf '%s\0' * | xargs -0 rm -f" in the problem dir |
| 22:06.35 | cafuego | nbnb: Is there 800GB of other data on that partition that you need to keep? |
| 22:06.53 | jordanm | that should be functionaly equivelent to rm -f * though |
| 22:06.54 | nbnb | cafuego: yes... |
| 22:07.08 | nbnb | cafuego: my other korean files give proper output without ???????? |
| 22:07.13 | cafuego | nbnb: ... and you have no space elsewhere to temporarily store that? |
| 22:07.25 | nbnb | jordanm: ok i'll try that. |
| 22:07.28 | jhutchins_lt | nbnb: Try installing the mc utility, use it to view the folder and remove the file. I often use it when a filename contains characters that the shell can't handle. |
| 22:07.30 | nbnb | cafuego: not at the moment ;( |
| 22:07.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | cafuego, ah, you misunderstood me..... if you look at his pastebin, -???????? is for file permission |
| 22:07.37 | cafuego | d'oh |
| 22:08.00 | cafuego | CutMeOwnThroat: Yeah, just realised when jordanm said. I blame lack of sleep & coffee ;-) |
| 22:08.23 | nbnb | jordanm: the printf command gives no output |
| 22:08.35 | cafuego | nbnb: that's encouraging |
| 22:08.40 | cafuego | nbnb: what's in the dir now? |
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| 22:08.54 | jhutchins_lt | reads further back in the scrollbuffer... |
| 22:09.04 | jhutchins_lt | CutMeOwnThroat: So you thin the permissions are corrupted? fsck? |
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| 22:09.11 | nbnb | cafuego: 24 files that I want to delete |
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| 22:09.15 | cafuego | nbnb: bugger |
| 22:09.18 | mrozek | good evening! |
| 22:09.54 | jhutchins_lt | Y'know, if you mv a file to a folder on the same disk it doesn't take up any additional space. Only the pointers are moved. |
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| 22:10.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, thats why we're still at it... he says fsck doesnt find anything |
| 22:10.56 | jhutchins_lt | ...and we trust he ran it correctly... |
| 22:11.10 | jhutchins_lt | Well, root should be able to remove the file regardless of permissions. |
| 22:11.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... he didnt pastebin that yet |
| 22:11.35 | cafuego | jhutchins_lt: But not regarsless of the filesystem saying "No such file or directory" |
| 22:11.42 | nbnb | jhutchins_lt: I am root.. I'll run fsck -f -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 again and give you the output |
| 22:11.47 | jhutchins_lt | mc should be able to tag/target/delete files with odd characters in the name |
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| 22:12.05 | cafuego | jhutchins_lt: http://paste.debian.net/150642/ |
| 22:12.25 | jhutchins_lt | nbnb: Are you opposed to trying mc for some reason? |
| 22:12.50 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, use mc. |
| 22:13.00 | nbnb | jhutchins_lt: nope. I have no preference. although enlight me on what "mc" is? |
| 22:13.02 | jhutchins_lt | That, or get the correct character set installed and enabled. |
| 22:13.19 | cafuego | jhutchins_lt: echo * shows the correct filenames, so that's not the problem. |
| 22:13.41 | jhutchins_lt | nbnb: A clone of Midnight Commander, a DOS menued file manager. Some attribute it to Norton, some to Qdos. |
| 22:13.42 | nbnb | jhutchins_lt: I have UTF8 enabled on the system and I can target the right files from the command line. |
| 22:14.05 | jhutchins_lt | nbnb: Apparently you CAN'T target them, as the shell is unable to find them. |
| 22:14.42 | cafuego | nbnb: Can you just pastebin the output of `df' before you run fsck again? |
| 22:14.53 | cafuego | nbnb: .. WITH that disk mounted please :-) |
| 22:15.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | that or the disk is corrupt... can only be one of tose two |
| 22:15.07 | jhutchins_lt | One wonders if someone has been downloading and unpacking things that should have been left alone. |
| 22:15.29 | cafuego | jhutchins_lt: Yeees. a checksum on /bin/ls was my next step |
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| 22:15.36 | nbnb | jhutchins_lt: df output here http://paste.debian.net/150646/ |
| 22:15.56 | cafuego | aight |
| 22:16.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, music that man was not meant to know? |
| 22:16.01 | nbnb | cafuego: http://paste.debian.net/150646/ >_< sorry |
| 22:16.04 | jhutchins_lt | nbnb: That won't make any difference if the shell can't interpret the filename, which appears to be what is happening. mc will work in such cases though |
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| 22:16.28 | jhutchins_lt | I'm'o go get groceries, I'll look in later to see if you tried mc. |
| 22:16.30 | cafuego | CutMeOwnThroat: I am assured it's *not* rap. |
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| 22:16.40 | nbnb | jhutchins_lt: I can target and copy other files that were in the same folder... doesn't that mean I file encoding is not an issue? |
| 22:16.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
| 22:16.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | cafuego, hip-hop! |
| 22:17.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | or... *shudder* Schlager |
| 22:17.15 | cafuego | nbnb: give `mc' a try, it doesn't use the shell to grab a filename to remove |
| 22:18.40 | nbnb | cafuego: alrighty. it's not installed on my computer. what name should I use to search for it on apt? |
| 22:19.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's called mc! |
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| 22:20.01 | itchi | Hi geek dudes! Before the network get's overloaded ... Happy New Year! And thanks for all the good fish! |
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| 22:22.01 | nbnb | CutMeOwnThroat: my bad. yes I do see it. installing. |
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| 22:28.02 | drith | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVdVTVR-j0Q |
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| 22:36.31 | lapsusbrutus | happy new year! Have a peaceful new year! Ron paul 2012 |
| 22:39.20 | nvz | you're lucky I'm not an op cause you'd be banned |
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| 22:48.42 | streuner_ | nvz: ? |
| 22:48.48 | cafuego | If they insist of spamming non-americans with their retarded election crap, the least they can do is also let us vote. |
| 22:48.48 | Kasparov | nvz are u mad? |
| 22:48.54 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 22:49.08 | nevyn | cafuego: it's not like we're unaffected by the decision |
| 22:49.15 | cafuego | nevyn: Too damn right. |
| 22:49.34 | cafuego | nevyn: I think that in the spirit of things, a non-US veto on the US election result is only fitting. |
| 22:49.38 | nvz | well that users IP traces to norway and made US political statement which is just as OT as holiday wishes |
| 22:49.43 | cafuego | If they elect the wrong person, we get to say no. |
| 22:50.08 | nvz | not only made a US political statement but about the most insane candidate running |
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| 22:50.56 | streuner_ | so nobody should be able to judge US politics? |
| 22:51.01 | recompile | hi |
| 22:51.23 | recompile | hi i have a problem. i am booting a linux machine with a rescue image remote. the image doesnt have an jfs driver which is loadable via modprobe. i need this to mount var and usr. can someone tell me how to get jfs working ? |
| 22:51.24 | streuner_ | nobody, other than US citenzens? |
| 22:51.45 | nvz | points to #debian-offtopic |
| 22:52.27 | cafuego | recompile: I'd suggest you need a rescue image that contains a kernel with jfs support. Either compiled in or as module. |
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| 22:52.45 | nvz | I also suggest you think about those things before you use stuff |
| 22:52.59 | recompile | cafuego the hoster is not available its 8min before new year in germany ;) |
| 22:53.20 | cafuego | recompile: In that case, crack open a beer and just be offline. |
| 22:53.35 | proxy1 | Hi, what will happen if I remove a dm-crypted flash drive without 'unmount'ing and 'luksClose'ing it first? will I loose all data in it? |
| 22:53.54 | nvz | nothing worse than loose data |
| 22:53.59 | proxy1 | true |
| 22:54.03 | streuner_ | 7 mins. before in my TZ new year beings, have a good new year, have a good new new year :-) |
| 22:54.05 | nevyn | yeah you need to contain that shit. |
| 22:54.09 | recompile | cafuego yes i think i will shutdown now ;) |
| 22:54.38 | nevyn | proxy1: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/misspelling |
| 22:54.40 | cafuego | Tie me data down, sport. |
| 22:55.02 | streuner_ | haha, thats the cafuego we know :-) |
| 22:55.18 | proxy1 | lose* |
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| 22:55.22 | cafuego | wut wut? |
| 22:55.23 | nevyn | :) |
| 22:55.54 | nevyn | goes back to hunting regressions in snd-usb-audio |
| 22:56.01 | proxy1 | oh...lol.. |
| 22:56.15 | proxy1 | i won't make that mistake again... |
| 22:56.50 | proxy1 | So, will I lose data if I remove a dm-crypted flash drive without unmount or luksClose first? |
| 22:57.26 | cafuego | proxy1: *probably* not if the data has been synced to the device. |
| 22:57.48 | cafuego | Wehther or not that's happened is a matter of time elapsed, I suppose. |
| 22:57.57 | somiaj | depends, there is a chance, unsure on the encrpytion layer, but give your system time to ideal to flush the file cache after the last write. |
| 22:57.59 | nevyn | lukclose shouldn't be required. I wouldn't think but umount is. |
| 22:58.34 | streuner_ | 2 mins. |
| 22:58.42 | cafuego | 2 mins? |
| 22:58.43 | somiaj | not sure if there is a command you can write cause linux to preform all changes from the file cache or not. |
| 22:58.52 | streuner_ | cafuego: in my TZ... |
| 22:58.55 | cafuego | - 9:58 |
| 22:58.56 | SVNDR | How can i change the password of a user added on the server without logging into their account? |
| 22:59.02 | streuner_ | cafuego: sure |
| 22:59.08 | somiaj | SVNDR: as root, just 'passwd username' |
| 22:59.15 | cafuego | streuner_: 2012 is as crap as 2011, I wouldn't unduly worry about it. |
| 22:59.21 | SVNDR | somiaj: thanks |
| 22:59.34 | streuner_ | cafuego: true... |
| 22:59.39 | mtrd` | happy new year from France debian people :) |
| 22:59.52 | cafuego | should close all window to keep the INSANE HEAT out |
| 23:00.05 | somiaj | how is the future mtrd`? (: |
| 23:00.06 | DerPate | frohes neues Jahr |
| 23:00.20 | mtrd` | somiaj, pretty much the same... |
| 23:00.23 | proxy1 | Ok, thanks everyone...you are all great. |
| 23:00.27 | streuner_ | DerPate: frohes neues Jahr von hier :-P |
| 23:00.27 | proxy1 | and happy new year |
| 23:00.38 | SVNDR | somiaj: passwd: Authentication token manipulation error |
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| 23:01.26 | Secret | Happy New Year |
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| 23:04.06 | somiaj | SVNDR: google says that error is due to something not correct with /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow? How did you add this user? Also what version of debian are you running? |
| 23:04.38 | SVNDR | somiaj: sorry mate, already got it sorted cheers for that! |
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| 23:04.52 | cafuego | Mistyped the passwd the 2nd time eh |
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| 23:14.37 | jhutchins_lt | nbnb: Any progress? |
| 23:14.42 | mrozek | happy new year ;) |
| 23:15.07 | mrozek | oops, sorry |
| 23:15.25 | streuner_ | mrozek: happy new year from germany |
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| 23:16.04 | mrozek | streuner_:thanks from Sweden:) |
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| 23:17.27 | jhutchins_lt | CutMeOwnThroat: So last we saw nbnb he was installing mc, and we haven't heard since, right? |
| 23:17.29 | nbnb | jhutchins_lt: still running fsck :(.. i have to wait until fsck finishes. |
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| 23:17.55 | nbnb | jhutchins_lt: after fsck complete i'll run mc and let u know what happens |
| 23:18.17 | jhutchins_lt | I've been to the grocery store, got a week's provisions and spirits for tonight's revelry, put them away, and fed both cats. |
| 23:18.52 | mrozek | streuner_:and from poland as well ;) |
| 23:19.35 | streuner_ | mrozek: why poland? |
| 23:20.21 | jhutchins_lt | Why not? |
| 23:20.49 | streuner_ | well, he has a IP out of .se ... |
| 23:22.11 | streuner_ | maybe he is polish and went to .se then... |
| 23:25.21 | streuner_ | besides, sweden is easy for all poeple, because .sw doesnt aks for *ANY* resons... |
| 23:26.34 | streuner_ | no matter what reason you have, .sw isnt care |
| 23:27.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, dunno... don't care about that stuff that happened last year ;) |
| 23:27.12 | mrozek | yes, I am polish and i live in Sweden :) |
| 23:27.20 | mrozek | peace! |
| 23:27.24 | streuner_ | mrozek: we arent care |
| 23:27.31 | mrozek | no problem ;) |
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| 23:32.38 | streuner_ | mrozek: personally i would live in Rome |
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| 23:32.55 | cafuego | Hah |
| 23:33.10 | cafuego | Last time I was in Rome my eyes were burning with air pollution |
| 23:33.26 | recompile | frohes neues ;) |
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| 23:33.33 | streuner_ | air pollution? |
| 23:33.40 | cafuego | streuner_: air pollution |
| 23:33.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | if in Rome, do as the Romans do? |
| 23:33.56 | streuner_ | cafuego: fuck, just say it in german |
| 23:34.16 | cafuego | streuner_: That stuff the Rurhgebiet sends to Holland |
| 23:34.27 | streuner_ | CutMeOwnThroat: you never was in Rom, do you? |
| 23:34.29 | cafuego | smog |
| 23:34.36 | mrozek | streuner_:Sweden is also very nice. Maybe a bit too cold :) |
| 23:34.57 | streuner_ | mrozek: hm |
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| 23:35.22 | mrozek | it depends on what would you like to see |
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| 23:35.29 | streuner_ | mrozek: sure |
| 23:36.09 | mrozek | for example, if You are looking for 10MB/s Internet connection, Sweden would be good for You |
| 23:36.25 | streuner_ | hehe, true :-) |
| 23:36.28 | mrozek | how is it in Germany btw.? What is the average speed of an Internet connection? |
| 23:36.33 | cafuego | Forecast for today: 35°C |
| 23:36.44 | streuner_ | sweden has good i-net connections |
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| 23:37.16 | streuner_ | cafuego: come to Rome at sommerdays. 37 C. is nothing :-( |
| 23:37.19 | mrozek | That's true :) I'm very contended. |
| 23:37.51 | cafuego | streuner_: Oh it's a warm day, not a hot day.. summer is only just starting :-) |
| 23:38.24 | streuner_ | cafuego: australia isnt a good country for me then.... |
| 23:38.29 | cafuego | streuner_: I am definitely not looking forward to another 48°C day |
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| 23:38.50 | cafuego | streuner_: Tasmania doesn't get so stupidly hot |
| 23:38.52 | PerfDave | Since when was .sw Sweden? :) |
| 23:39.33 | streuner_ | cafuego: if you get older, its always a problem with the heat... |
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| 23:39.48 | streuner_ | PerfDave: isnt .sw sweden? |
| 23:39.54 | PerfDave | .se |
| 23:39.57 | cafuego | streuner_: No, sweden is .se |
| 23:40.00 | streuner_ | oh, yes |
| 23:40.00 | mrozek | what do you mean? Domains? |
| 23:40.13 | cafuego | mrozek: or bumper stickers |
| 23:40.16 | streuner_ | PerfDave: sorry, my mistake |
| 23:40.17 | mrozek | ;) |
| 23:40.24 | Guest34210 | any at&t users recommend any modems? |
| 23:40.41 | Guest34210 | adsl |
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| 23:41.02 | visof | i'm trying to install my own server and want someone to check it work or not from inside the lan, http://visof.yi.org:3000/articles |
| 23:41.34 | cafuego | visof: It's not responding |
| 23:41.58 | visof | cafuego: chekc http://visof.yi.org please |
| 23:42.09 | cafuego | Index of / |
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| 23:44.21 | visof | cafuego: can you check that again http://visof.yi.org:3000/articles ? |
| 23:44.44 | cafuego | Blog |
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| 23:45.08 | cafuego | I should point out I can edit that |
| 23:45.17 | visof | cafuego: so it's working, can you add new? |
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| 23:46.00 | cafuego | visof: at least is escapes my javascript ;-) |
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| 23:46.28 | nbnb | jhutchins_lt: mc doesn't work. same error message. no such file or directory |
| 23:46.34 | simonlnu | that's handy if you wanna write in some code |
| 23:46.53 | nbnb | cafuego: Fsck cleared.. http://paste.debian.net/150650/ |
| 23:47.01 | visof | cafuego: what do you mean? |
| 23:47.27 | cafuego | visof: I added inline javascript, which doesn't execute, which is good. |
| 23:47.36 | simonlnu | visof: he means it doesn't execute the js, it escapes it |
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| 23:47.43 | mrozek | Good Night! Have a nice day :) |
| 23:48.08 | visof | cafuego: thanks for helping me man |
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| 23:56.34 | nbnb | cafuego: fsck out was okay.. and mc still can't delete that file... any other ideas? |
