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| 00:00.55 | imdoingitwrong | wald0: ah, well, then that is strange indeed... faulty cpu maybe? I'm out of ideas, sorry :) |
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| 00:01.33 | wald0 | imdoingitwrong: no, i just tested it on windows and it works correctly |
| 00:01.52 | wald0 | i mean, the hardware looks to work without problems |
| 00:02.01 | wald0 | so its a problem of the operating system (wheeze, not squeeze, sorry) |
| 00:02.16 | imdoingitwrong | wald0: did you run prime95 by any chance for say, 300min? |
| 00:02.29 | imdoingitwrong | 30min * ^^ |
| 00:02.54 | leigh | how do i initiate pm? |
| 00:03.07 | epsilon | pm? |
| 00:03.15 | daemonkeeper | You don't. People don't like it. |
| 00:03.27 | imdoingitwrong | leigh: /query or /msg ? but it's polite to ask first |
| 00:03.51 | leigh | im asking because ill know what to look for when someone does for me...thank you |
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| 00:03.55 | wald0 | imdoingitwrong: prime95, no, just 10-15 minutes, but in debian it fails after a few seconds (max 10 seconds) |
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| 00:04.00 | streuner | let us see if dpkg has some nice entry about :-) |
| 00:04.03 | streuner | dpkg, pm |
| 00:04.03 | dpkg | it has been said that pm is private message (something you don't do without asking for permission first, see <private>), or post meridiem, or prime minister, or perl mongers, or pathetic moron, or provocative/preventative/percussive maintenance, or power management (see <pm debug>) |
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| 00:06.21 | leigh | babilen: everything you have told me (except for root command) gets me a bad command or denied acccess, what could this be from |
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| 00:07.58 | PerfDave | caravel: rsync -y might help? |
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| 00:09.35 | imdoingitwrong | wald0: that actually could point at software problem, but I'd run p95 for an hour or so just to be sure. I know it's not much of an advice. |
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| 00:10.40 | epsilon | wald0: same test on windows doesnt have any error? |
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| 00:11.39 | wald0 | epsilon: right, no errors on windows, no memtest errors, and no errors in my previous (deleted) squeeze system (im in wheezy now) |
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| 00:13.13 | imdoingitwrong | leigh: so you were able to login as root by sudo -i ? |
| 00:13.20 | leigh | yes |
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| 00:14.16 | imdoingitwrong | and what commands did result in said messages? |
| 00:14.30 | caravel | Hi again PerfDave, my point is rsync still won't deal with moves and renames, right ? According to man, -y won't help (to my understanding) |
| 00:14.40 | leigh | huh? |
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| 00:17.45 | leigh | exit |
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| 00:18.23 | imdoingitwrong | exit resulted in error message? |
| 00:18.26 | leigh | thanks for the help guys im throwing my laptop in the trash --sorry for the waste of time |
| 00:18.26 | apt | no problem, leigh |
| 00:18.49 | imdoingitwrong | hey, I could use an old laptop :P |
| 00:18.55 | streuner | heh, why apt answer at all? |
| 00:18.56 | epsilon | wald0: what exacnt error message? I'd rather believe RAM error (dont trust the output of memtest) |
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| 00:21.40 | PerfDave | caravel: I thoguht -y would help with that, but I haven't tested it. |
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| 00:26.29 | caravel | PerfDave: thanks anyway |
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| 00:27.50 | caravel | (can't see how I'd ever have a use case for -y but hey, yet another rsync option I hadn't paid enough attention to, I guess ^^) |
| 00:28.01 | Sickness\ | is there a way to resize a logical volume while in the setup->partitioning process? |
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| 00:33.09 | pauljwells | I can't boot the 3.0 kernel on a 64bit powerpc. 2.6 boots ok. I could use a few pointers of where to look for problems |
| 00:33.12 | n0n0n0 | Sickness\: maybe you're better if once lvm components are loaded, go back, switch to a tty, and see if lvresize is included |
| 00:33.36 | n0n0n0 | pauljwells: where does it stop ? |
| 00:34.09 | dondelelcaro | pauljwells: also, are you using the newest 3 series kernel we distribute? |
| 00:34.16 | n0n0n0 | modinfo on related modules on a 3.0 machine may help to try boot options |
| 00:34.29 | imdoingitwrong | babilen: btw, thanks, upgrading the kernel was precisely what I needed, it opened the way to easy nvidia driver install - dkms ;) |
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| 00:34.59 | pauljwells | n0n0n0: it gets to the white screen that ends with 'returning from prom_init' |
| 00:35.14 | dondelelcaro | pauljwells: is this linux-image-3.1.0-1-powerpc64? |
| 00:35.39 | pauljwells | no, 3.0.0.14 was the last one I tried. Ubuntu 11.10 |
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| 00:35.48 | dondelelcaro | pauljwells: uh... this is #debian, not #ubuntu |
| 00:36.17 | forgotten | hehe nvidia drivers was fun for me too :P |
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| 00:37.03 | n0n0n0 | as a debian user... has anytime debian project thinked about shiping more things to final users than "packages on mirrors" ? |
| 00:37.32 | pauljwells | dondelelcaro: I know. I'm new to IRC. Thought I'd find more help here |
| 00:37.51 | n0n0n0 | i mean... for example, a public DNS service, preferably not "analyzed", documented on how to setup as user. |
| 00:38.16 | n0n0n0 | there is the ntp one |
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| 00:38.34 | dema | ciao |
| 00:38.52 | dema | film |
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| 00:41.59 | thisthat | can anyone suggest a live linux distro which a normal person could use to browse the internets and watch youtubes that is based on debian? |
| 00:42.00 | dondelelcaro | pauljwells: it's ok, but we can't really support non-Debian here. Those of us who support other distributions are in other distributions channels. |
| 00:42.17 | dondelelcaro | thisthat: Debian live should be able to do that |
| 00:42.46 | thisthat | i see |
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| 00:43.13 | streuner | knoppix or grml is Debian based too... |
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| 00:43.27 | anil | hello I tried installing debian 6.0 after install it didnt install Synaptic, is this the default behaviour? |
| 00:43.43 | thisthat | just need something for my grandma so she doesnt' destroy her computer with viruses |
| 00:43.54 | thisthat | *windows computer |
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| 00:44.05 | dondelelcaro | anil: you can install synaptic if you want it; whether it gets installed or not depends on the precise install options selected |
| 00:44.19 | streuner | Priority: optional |
| 00:44.20 | thisthat | really its for my own selfishness so i don't have to go fix her windows computer |
| 00:44.27 | imdoingitwrong | anil: I think so, depends on installer options, but you have apt-get though, and probably have aptitude |
| 00:44.42 | thisthat | not that i dislike seeing her, just dislike fixing computers |
| 00:44.44 | simonlnu | i'm sure aptitude is there |
| 00:45.01 | simonlnu | thisthat: porbably better for both your stress levels =) |
| 00:45.04 | simonlnu | pro* |
| 00:45.17 | streuner | dpkg, installit |
| 00:45.18 | dpkg | Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 00:46.09 | sisif | Hey, quick question: after connecting my bluetooth phones to PC , I can change the volume from the volume icon / alsa mixe (master), but when I use the keyboard shortcuts, it does not affect the bluetooth volume, only the onboard soundcard one .. Any suggestions on might cause this ? |
| 00:46.19 | anil | I was unable to configure my internet, I didnt install the non free firmware when it asked me to and then saw no signs of network manager |
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| 00:47.24 | anil | I can only connect to my neighbors wireless network |
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| 00:48.02 | streuner | anil: you will need firmware in any case, keep in mind d-i only supports WEP |
| 00:48.28 | anil | yeah, I realized that a bit late |
| 00:49.47 | streuner | anil: get the fw and copy it into /lib/firmware and configure WIFI via http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 00:50.45 | Joelito | hi, I got a question about cursors in xfce (4.6.2), when I change the cursor theme from appearance, next time I login the theme is load correctly |
| 00:50.57 | anil | thanks streuner |
| 00:51.05 | Joelito | but it seems that when I try to resize a window, appears another cursor theme, not the same as currently using |
| 00:51.18 | Joelito | is this normal? |
| 00:51.40 | anil | how can I install network-manager-gnome without an internet connection? using dpkg? |
| 00:51.52 | anil | I tried that and got a lot of missing dependencies |
| 00:53.03 | anil | if I try to install debian again, Ive got 3 partitions, with 2 OS s on them, within the expert graphical installer how do I install debian alongside them in a new partition? |
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| 00:56.00 | streuner | why did you choose expert mode, just use a free/unused partition and install Debian there |
| 00:56.07 | simonlnu | damn, he left |
| 00:56.11 | streuner | uh |
| 00:56.18 | simonlnu | joelito |
| 00:56.58 | anil | I got an error in normal mode, display mode 314 problem |
| 00:57.01 | forgotten | whats the best serial terminal solution for linux? |
| 00:57.19 | anil | I was only offered to choose a different display mode in expert mode |
| 00:57.33 | forgotten | and are there any usb to serial adaptors that have drivers for linux |
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| 00:57.56 | streuner | anil: maybe its better you using an installer which has firmware |
| 00:58.23 | streuner | anil: but, keep in mind, its not that hard to use a default Debian Installer without firmware too |
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| 00:58.35 | anil | I downloaded the big installer |
| 00:58.39 | Morpheme | streuner, with a firmware? what is it? |
| 00:58.47 | streuner | dpkg, firmware installer |
| 00:58.48 | dpkg | Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04 and http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
| 00:59.01 | Hackbat | is having a LITTLE trouble with fstab |
| 00:59.02 | streuner | dpkg, firmware images |
| 00:59.02 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
| 00:59.19 | streuner | Morpheme: ^^^^ |
| 00:59.31 | Morpheme | streuner, thanks. didn't know |
| 00:59.34 | Hackbat | mainly the harddrive I'm mounting is read only for some ungodly reason |
| 00:59.52 | Morpheme | streuner, usually i install debian with debootstrap |
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| 01:00.03 | streuner | Hackbat: what FS? |
| 01:00.11 | Hackbat | NTFS |
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| 01:00.54 | streuner | Hackbat, /msg dpkg ntfs rw |
| 01:01.19 | anil | streuner: I did that, my stolen wireless network didnt configure (even though its WEP) it gave me a DHCP error, I want to install debian without an internet connection but to be able to connect to the internet after installation |
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| 01:01.51 | Hackbat | so even though I can read off of it i can't write without that? |
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| 01:02.07 | streuner | anil: just install the base system, and forget the WLAN thingie by now... |
| 01:02.33 | simonlnu | for now* |
| 01:03.10 | gcmalloc | hi to all, I looking for a simple way to distribute a bunch of ssh public key from a bunch of user to a bunch of machine and provide a granular acces to all of the machine. I also want to keep ssh server up to date and keep the ability to easily revoke key on certain machine. I have a working ldap directory can I use it for this ? |
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| 01:03.54 | anil | streuner: ok, thanks |
| 01:04.26 | simonlnu | gcmalloc: yes but you'll need ldap support in ssh |
| 01:04.28 | rhenani | Hello guys I'm having an issue trying to install vmware-tools in debian squeeze 32 bits |
| 01:04.35 | Hackbat | ty streuner |
| 01:04.49 | rhenani | I git this: paste.debian.net/151047/ |
| 01:05.09 | gcmalloc | i heard about a patch for supporting public key identification trough ldap is that in the open-ssh of debian ? |
| 01:06.01 | streuner | Hackbat, i have no idea what kind of kernel supports rw in NTFS nowadays, just get ntfs-3g |
| 01:06.07 | simonlnu | gcmalloc: maybe under examples/ - afaik it isn't enabled/built-in by default |
| 01:06.30 | simonlnu | /usr/share/doc/openssh-server/exeamples/ |
| 01:06.39 | simonlnu | erm, typed correctly... |
| 01:06.44 | streuner | Hackbat: its installed here, so i guess, you need that package... |
| 01:06.45 | rhenani | this is the error I'm getting: http://paste.debian.net/151047 |
| 01:07.06 | simonlnu | rhenani: please wait before asking again so soon. |
| 01:07.26 | Hackbat | streuner, already went and done it |
| 01:07.29 | Hackbat | lol |
| 01:07.39 | Hackbat | gonna check now |
| 01:07.45 | streuner | good luck |
| 01:07.50 | simonlnu | rhenani: aptitude install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 01:07.52 | gcmalloc | thanks |
| 01:08.17 | simonlnu | gcmalloc: if nothing's there, then google it ;) |
| 01:08.20 | Hackbat | looks good |
| 01:08.45 | simonlnu | rhenani: oops sorry, linux-headers not kernel-headers |
| 01:09.00 | simonlnu | (old habit...) |
| 01:09.23 | Hackbat | woooorks |
| 01:09.31 | Hackbat | TY streuner |
| 01:09.43 | simonlnu | !customer |
| 01:09.43 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 01:09.53 | Hackbat | TY dpkg |
| 01:09.54 | Hackbat | :D |
| 01:10.03 | simonlnu | hehe |
| 01:10.53 | streuner | Hackbat: extern USB HD? |
| 01:10.53 | Morpheme | guysoft, which log in /var/log should i check with multitail? |
| 01:11.05 | Morpheme | ops |
| 01:11.12 | Morpheme | *guys not guysoft (lol) |
| 01:11.13 | GuySoft | Morpheme, yes that was confusing |
| 01:11.19 | simonlnu | autocomplete turned on |
| 01:11.47 | simonlnu | most peopel leave that off for that very reason |
| 01:11.54 | Morpheme | turned off |
| 01:12.04 | simonlnu | <<< people*. though sometimes some people need it :P |
| 01:12.12 | Hackbat | streuner, nah, adding a harddrive to a machine that runs off an SD card |
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| 01:13.16 | simonlnu | Morpheme: but anywa, most people tail stuff like syslog kern.log messages and any daeemon's logs that they want to keep watch on. |
| 01:13.21 | simonlnu | gah |
| 01:13.38 | simonlnu | is living in typo town today |
| 01:13.50 | Morpheme | isn't /var/log/messages a nice mix? |
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| 01:14.07 | simonlnu | not always, and often it's too verbose |
| 01:14.16 | simonlnu | to my taste anyway |
| 01:15.16 | simonlnu | (just a suggestion, do what you want of course) |
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| 01:20.15 | gcmalloc | simonlnu, I got another solution which is the following : using pam on top of ldap to handle the granularity of the authorisation and nfs for sharing the key on all the machine. Do you agree ? |
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| 01:20.30 | Morpheme | omg |
| 01:20.44 | simonlnu | gcmalloc: possibly |
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| 01:21.31 | rhenani | simonlnu: Thanks a lot, I've been dailing with this couple hours and you took me that load off, Thanks =) |
| 01:21.39 | simonlnu | np rhenani |
| 01:21.48 | rhenani | simonlnu: ;) |
| 01:22.35 | Morpheme | why my /var/messages is like that? http://pastebin.com/dAP2RqED |
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| 01:24.07 | simonlnu | Morpheme: need more info. looks a *little* bit like a ps dump |
| 01:24.50 | Bluesky_ | Hello |
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| 01:26.33 | Morpheme | simonlnu, http://pastebin.com/QAt3BD7p |
| 01:27.18 | jordanm | Morpheme: you ran out of RAM and swap |
| 01:27.28 | Morpheme | oh, yesterday |
| 01:27.38 | Morpheme | for a loop... 999999999 firefox opened |
| 01:27.46 | simonlnu | i second jordanm's assessment |
| 01:27.55 | simonlnu | firefox-bin invoked oom-killer: ......... |
| 01:28.09 | jordanm | actually, you don't even have any swap |
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| 01:28.36 | Morpheme | firefox power.... |
| 01:28.41 | Morpheme | jordanm, no, i don't |
| 01:28.44 | jordanm | that's good to have. keeps applications and your system from crashing |
| 01:28.58 | simonlnu | ;) |
| 01:29.00 | Morpheme | uhm, swap can get full too |
| 01:29.02 | nkuttler | firefox isn't even in debian.. |
| 01:29.06 | jordanm | Morpheme: you can make a swapfile, it will be even slower than a swap partition, but atleast OOM-killer won't kick in |
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| 01:29.15 | jordanm | Morpheme: yep |
| 01:29.18 | simonlnu | too quickly |
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| 01:30.04 | Morpheme | why no? i can't understand |
| 01:30.14 | Morpheme | nkuttler, it's iceweasel |
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| 01:30.53 | simonlnu | iceweasel still has the binary named firefox* in it |
| 01:31.45 | simonlnu | 20 0 269m 58m 23m 210m 37.4 5.8 0:01.69 XXXX R XXXXX XXXXX /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin |
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| 01:32.53 | xrfang | hi, this document said itself is "obsolete": http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ I wonder what's the newest document? thanks |
| 01:32.57 | Morpheme | a swapfile can get full too, no? |
| 01:33.12 | epsilon | imagine you can even start it with /usr/bin/firefox |
| 01:33.26 | simonlnu | Morpheme: so can a swap partition. what's your point? |
| 01:34.11 | Morpheme | jordanm said that with a swapfile OOOM-killer won't kick in |
| 01:34.20 | simonlnu | xrfang: aptitude-doc-foo (foo == is your preferred 639-2 language code) |
| 01:34.39 | simonlnu | Morpheme: not as quickly or easily |
| 01:34.55 | Morpheme | oh.. i have time to kill firefox |
| 01:35.03 | simonlnu | it'll also speed up the disk cache a bit |
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| 01:37.25 | xrfang | simonlnu, I searched that on debian documentation site and found "Chapter 2. Debian package management", is that the right place? or is it a special "tag" to be directly used after a url? |
| 01:37.45 | simonlnu | xrfang: that's probably ok |
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| 01:37.55 | xrfang | simonlnu, thans |
| 01:37.57 | xrfang | thanks |
| 01:38.39 | simonlnu | left off 'iso' from in front of 639-2, sorry |
| 01:39.13 | superstraw | I remember reading about a guy in the UK who didn't give up his password for an encrypted file. Has he been released yet? I can't find any information for a followup. |
| 01:39.26 | superstraw | he was arrested for not giving it up, sorry |
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| 01:43.05 | babilen | xrfang: You might also like http://debian-handbook.info/files/2011/11/chapter-apt.pdf |
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| 01:43.24 | xrfang | thanks babilen |
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| 01:45.00 | prsn | Not sure if this is the right place, but I can't immediately think of a better -- I'm having serious issues trying to get simple image viewers to work over X-forwarding |
| 01:45.35 | prsn | I was using eog, which kinda barely worked (really, really slow, often would hang for a while on ^C) |
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| 01:46.01 | prsn | so I tried some others (feh, qiv, xzgv) and they all failed to work _at all_ |
| 01:46.28 | Morpheme | what about that multitail need root to read /var/log/*??? |
| 01:46.54 | prsn | top shows no intense resource usage on the remote machine or anything, so i figure it's something about x-forwarding? I've never had problems like this with it before though |
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| 01:48.54 | babilen | Morpheme: Are you a member of adm? |
| 01:49.31 | peterrooney | prsn: in general, I've found no problems with feh |
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| 01:50.14 | peterrooney | prsn: ssh -X me@overthere. what problem do you encounter? |
| 01:50.20 | prsn | when I run it over x-forwarding, it opens an empty window and then hangs for ages |
| 01:50.28 | Morpheme | babilen, no? |
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| 01:51.54 | prsn | peterrooney: I realized I was using -Y though, and it looks like that's the issue! |
| 01:52.55 | babilen | Morpheme: Well, you might want to change that. To learn more about common groups on Debian read: /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz |
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| 01:53.38 | prsn | peterrooney: though reading the man page, i'm not sure *why* that would matter... |
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| 01:54.42 | bambanx | hi |
| 01:54.58 | bambanx | anyonecan recommend me a good client for mail on my debian? |
| 01:55.26 | zykotick9 | bambanx: i've recently discovered mutt - cli and amazing ;) |
| 01:55.32 | babilen | bambanx: mutt, claws, icedove (from http://mozilla.debian.net), ... |
| 01:55.32 | technologov | Didn't everyone switched to GMail yet ? ^^ |
| 01:56.11 | Morpheme | technologov, gmail is evil |
| 01:56.12 | bambanx | zykotick9, why is amazing better than m0zilla? |
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| 01:57.08 | bambanx | zykotick9, is a console client? |
| 01:57.14 | zykotick9 | bambanx: icedove is good (especially if you like gui), mutt has some cool features: cli, fast, thread support (organization and delete) |
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| 01:57.24 | babilen | bambanx: mutt is amazing (ADJ) -- but not necessarily what you are after as it is a CLI mail client. |
| 01:57.34 | zykotick9 | bambanx: yes it's console cli=command line interface (sorry) |
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| 01:58.10 | bambanx | i am looking for a gui client mozilla is good but i wanna try other |
| 01:59.29 | babilen | bambanx: Try claws-mail, evolution and kmail for a good overview. Also googling/duckduckgoing for "linux mail client" comes up with a few (~3) hits ;) |
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| 01:59.59 | bambanx | thanks men babilen i remember u |
| 01:59.59 | Morpheme | kmail only if you use kde......... |
| 02:00.21 | bambanx | babilen, you save me when i lost my grub =) |
| 02:00.38 | babilen | \o/ |
| 02:00.50 | dvs | he's grubby |
| 02:00.54 | dvs | ;-P |
| 02:00.57 | babilen | heh |
| 02:01.09 | Morpheme | http://www.scroogle.org/gifs/android5.jpg |
| 02:01.52 | technologov | ha ha |
| 02:02.47 | babilen | bambanx: I personally recommend either claws, icedove or mutt. Whatever you prefer. |
| 02:03.23 | bambanx | i am looking for maybe if exist a addons for firefox too babilen |
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| 02:04.44 | thisthat | SCROOGLE FTW |
| 02:05.13 | Morpheme | lol |
| 02:05.41 | babilen | bambanx: I don't quite understand -- There are plenty of addons for mozilla (either icedove or iceweasel) in Debian and on https://addons.mozilla.org/ |
| 02:05.50 | Morpheme | firefox added duckduckgo :p |
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| 02:16.29 | beardy | What is preferred nowadays for audio ripping and encoding? |
| 02:16.44 | dioz | a computer |
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| 02:18.38 | thisthat | a bad attitude |
| 02:18.51 | thisthat | or good? |
| 02:19.29 | Gallomimia | it'd be nice if i could make this system not load a gui since that fails anyway |
| 02:19.47 | nkuttler | !tell Gallomimia about nodm |
| 02:19.54 | Gallomimia | better would be tips to get it to load with a gui but i dont care anymore |
| 02:20.26 | Gallomimia | sounds like that's broken. anyway i've looked through the no kms setups and it hasn't done anything |
| 02:21.03 | beardy | !xerrors |
| 02:21.03 | dpkg | If X isn't starting for you, look for errors in the X log: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 02:21.22 | Gallomimia | the choices are radeon, nvidia, and intel. well, i have a rage128 card |
| 02:21.29 | Gallomimia | long before radeon existed |
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| 02:22.13 | beardy | Should start with vesa, maybe. |
| 02:22.24 | simonlnu | you have the wrong one installed. install the -ati one, it'll find the right one for you |
| 02:22.53 | beardy | Listen to simonlnu. |
| 02:22.55 | simonlnu | r128 is what you want, though |
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| 02:23.41 | Gallomimia | that might help. i'll try the no kms tho |
| 02:23.42 | simonlnu | s,i,a, |
| 02:23.50 | babilen | Gallomimia: I seem to remember that we tried for some time to get a rage128 working the other day and gave up. Why don't you install a trusty ET4000 and use that? ;) -- You want "r128" IIRC but that should be autodetected. A look at your Xorg log might be interesting. |
| 02:23.52 | simonlnu | nomodeset yeh |
| 02:24.29 | Gallomimia | k wait slow down and enter noob mode |
| 02:24.42 | Gallomimia | install r128?? |
| 02:25.15 | simonlnu | xserver-xorg-video-r128 package |
| 02:25.16 | babilen | Gallomimia: you are after xserver-xorg-video-ati (apt-cache search rage128) |
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| 02:26.13 | Gallomimia | already installed |
| 02:26.16 | babilen | Err, yes. xserver-xorg-video-r128 not the metapackage -ati :) |
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| 02:27.11 | simonlnu | you'll have to set that explicitly then, if it's not auto-detecting properly. |
| 02:27.41 | bambanx | what command i should use for unzip this format tar.bz2 |
| 02:28.09 | simonlnu | not unzip, that's for sure |
| 02:28.16 | simonlnu | !untar |
| 02:28.17 | Gallomimia | tar xrf <destination> <source> |
| 02:28.22 | Gallomimia | i think.... |
| 02:28.23 | simonlnu | jxf |
| 02:28.29 | dvs | tar -xjf |
| 02:28.40 | Gallomimia | yes. read man tar |
| 02:28.52 | simonlnu | where's that factoid again... |
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| 02:29.56 | zykotick9 | simonlnu: !tar perhaps? talks about extracting. |
| 02:29.58 | simonlnu | *sigh* srsly |
| 02:30.05 | simonlnu | yes, thanks |
| 02:30.23 | simonlnu | that's the one. doh. |
| 02:30.27 | Gallomimia | alright. rebooting this system. lets' see how it works |
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| 02:30.36 | simonlnu | why reboot? |
| 02:30.46 | simonlnu | oh, nomodeset, yeh |
| 02:31.07 | Gallomimia | no i just installed the r128 package |
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| 02:31.23 | Gallomimia | hm. no still black as a whore's heart |
| 02:31.39 | Gallomimia | maybe the nomodeset will have the appropriate settings now |
| 02:32.15 | Gallomimia | hm. your wiki gizmo bot got a page for that? |
| 02:32.30 | imdoingitwrong | you've set xorg.conf to enforce use the driver? |
| 02:33.14 | Gallomimia | nope |
| 02:33.48 | babilen | !tell Gallomimia -about xorg.conf.d |
| 02:34.01 | simonlnu | Section Device .... (etc.) \n Driver "drivername" (here being "r128" (more stuff) \nEndSection |
| 02:34.17 | simonlnu | bah, missing parens dumb |
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| 02:36.11 | bambanx | guys when i am on the folder of thunderbird , if i run in console this: ./thunderbird it works , how i can do a command for the panel app |
| 02:37.06 | bambanx | is some like that? ./home/myuser/thunderbird/thunderbird |
| 02:37.34 | Gallomimia | great set of help files in this bot |
| 02:38.51 | imdoingitwrong | bambanx: "." means "current directory" so I'd think you want /absolute/path/to/file |
| 02:39.36 | bambanx | in console in the directory when i run ./thunderbird it works but i dunno how i do a panel launcher |
| 02:39.38 | Gallomimia | your absolute path is what you wrote, without the . |
| 02:39.47 | bambanx | the path is /home/myuser/thunderbird |
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| 02:40.19 | bambanx | yeah now works thanks Gallomimia |
| 02:40.34 | Gallomimia | special characters in path: |
| 02:40.37 | Gallomimia | . current directory |
| 02:40.41 | Gallomimia | .. up one level |
| 02:40.45 | Gallomimia | ~ home directory |
| 02:40.53 | Gallomimia | () / root level |
| 02:41.12 | bambanx | men what permission i should put to this folder? i use 777 is good? |
| 02:41.27 | Gallomimia | yikes. very unsecure |
| 02:41.33 | Gallomimia | i would suggest 775 |
| 02:41.44 | Gallomimia | this will let anyone else run the program but not make changes |
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| 02:42.49 | bambanx | ok |
| 02:43.01 | imdoingitwrong | Gallomimia: how's your X, up and running? ;) |
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| 02:43.13 | Gallomimia | nope |
| 02:43.22 | Gallomimia | only working on it during commercials ;) |
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| 02:44.16 | imdoingitwrong | did you try using vesa? it really should start then, unless it's that messed up |
| 02:45.15 | imdoingitwrong | then again, I can't say for sure, I had r128 card back in the day, but I had little to no idea about linux at the time |
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| 03:04.04 | sig_wall | дык =) |
| 03:04.12 | sig_wall | oops |
| 03:04.14 | lyrae_ | why is debian stable still on gtk2? |
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| 03:05.03 | lyrae_ | if gtk3's been out for over a year |
| 03:05.09 | jordanm | !stable |
| 03:05.09 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Squeeze (6.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
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| 03:05.22 | jordanm | lyrae_: its been over a year since stable froze |
| 03:05.55 | lyrae_ | i see |
| 03:06.09 | dvs | !backports |
| 03:06.10 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 03:06.53 | jordanm | gtk isn't something easily backported |
| 03:07.04 | lyrae_ | so gtk wont be updated to gtk3? |
| 03:07.08 | jordanm | I don't even see gtk3 in unstable |
| 03:07.15 | jordanm | no new upstream versions in stable |
| 03:07.16 | lyrae_ | i guess that is a no |
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| 03:11.58 | imdoingitwrong | jordanm: I think I missed something, but what about libgtk-3-0? |
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| 03:12.40 | jordanm | ,versions libgtk-3-0 |
| 03:12.42 | judd | Package: libgtk-3-0 on i386 -- sid: 3.2.3-1; wheezy: 3.2.3-1 |
| 03:12.48 | jordanm | yep, i missed it |
| 03:13.08 | lyrae_ | thats the unstable? |
| 03:13.35 | jordanm | !sid |
| 03:13.35 | dpkg | The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 03:13.45 | jordanm | lyrae_: sid is unstable, wheezy is testing |
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| 03:19.50 | lyrae_ | can i start using wheezy? |
| 03:19.54 | lyrae_ | =) |
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| 03:20.21 | cafuego | lyrae_: Do you have a computer? |
| 03:20.48 | lyrae_ | yes and trying to keep it alive |
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| 03:21.04 | cafuego | Then yes, yes you can. Just be aware of the security policy. |
| 03:21.39 | cafuego | ie: criticals aren't pushed to testing, they end up in there afetr filtering down from unstable. eventually. |
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| 03:22.26 | lyrae_ | i just need gtk3 =/ |
| 03:22.35 | lyrae_ | perhaps ill uninstall and compile manually |
| 03:22.40 | cafuego | You do? |
| 03:22.46 | lyrae_ | I do |
| 03:22.54 | cafuego | lyrae_: Maybe unstable is a better choice |
| 03:23.08 | jordanm | unstable is rarely a good choie |
| 03:23.18 | cafuego | I said better, I didn't say good. |
| 03:23.24 | lyrae_ | better choice than testing, though. no? |
| 03:23.25 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 03:23.44 | cafuego | lyrae_: That depends on what you'll be using it for |
| 03:23.48 | jordanm | wheezy has it and less likely to break during a transition |
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| 03:24.33 | CrazyGir | I am seeing weird stuff going on with my ssh server, can anyone validate any of this? when adding ChrootDirectory and other config options fit for a chrooted sftp setup, sshd will crash with a user login, often requiring coaxing to come back on. |
| 03:24.52 | CrazyGir | does this sound like a system / config / etc bug, or a rooted sshd? |
| 03:25.23 | CrazyGir | trying to remove the binaries and reinstalling the package did not seem to help/change anything |
| 03:27.06 | cafuego | CrazyGir: What do the system logs say? |
| 03:28.16 | lyrae_ | how do i add wheezy to the repo? |
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| 03:32.23 | lyrae_ | nvm got it |
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| 03:53.35 | CrazyGir | cafuego: at the time of the crash? |
| 03:55.08 | CrazyGir | cafuego: I have not been able to catch anything definitive/helpful. but setting up explicit tests can be difficult. due to the daemon not always coming back up with a restart of the service. |
| 03:55.15 | CrazyGir | I will try to confirm more explicitly |
| 03:55.48 | Sickness\ | is it normal that a netinst takes about 2.5 hours to reach 50% ? |
| 03:56.57 | Gallomimia | heh |
| 03:57.04 | Gallomimia | got distracted... what was i doing? |
| 03:57.06 | CrazyGir | Sickness\: encrypted lvm included? |
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| 03:57.38 | Sickness\ | no I was planning on doing an encrypted lvm but decided not to at the last moment :P |
| 03:57.52 | CrazyGir | cafuego: crashes seem to require networking restarted in order for ssh to come back up |
| 03:58.02 | Sickness\ | does include lvm with 3 partitions |
| 03:58.27 | Sickness\ | atm it's going for about 30 minutes @ "unpacking libcwidget3" |
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| 04:03.43 | CrazyGir | cafuego: no, no logs are generated in /var/log/syslog when ssh crashes |
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| 04:04.12 | CrazyGir | Sickness\: install times are dependent on hardware, power, and bandwidth, primarily |
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| 04:04.32 | Dmbekker | how can I reinstall glibc on sqeeuze? can't find the right package to remove and install again |
| 04:04.33 | Dmbekker | :/ |
| 04:05.52 | Sickness\ | I'm running the install through a kvm so thats probably it craigevil |
| 04:05.56 | Sickness\ | CrazyGir * |
| 04:06.54 | cafuego | CrazyGir: Anything in `dmesg' or kern.log? auth.log? |
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| 04:07.05 | cafuego | Dmbekker: libc6 |
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| 04:07.12 | Dmbekker | okay |
| 04:07.14 | Dmbekker | will try |
| 04:07.15 | Dmbekker | thanks |
| 04:07.18 | cafuego | DO NOT REMOVE IT |
| 04:07.23 | Dmbekker | oh |
| 04:07.24 | Dmbekker | :/ |
| 04:07.48 | Dmbekker | Getting a error running some irc stats (denora) they said I had to reinstall it |
| 04:07.49 | cafuego | You can fetch the .deb and install that or you can apt-get install --reinstall libc6 |
| 04:08.05 | Dmbekker | okay |
| 04:08.10 | Dmbekker | will try --reinstall one |
| 04:08.13 | cafuego | Dmbekker: Reinstalling is fine, but over the top. Removing it first will break the system and nothing will run. |
| 04:08.22 | Dmbekker | k |
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| 04:13.05 | CrazyGir | cafuego: any way to tail all three at once? |
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| 04:14.16 | Dmbekker | anyone here knows what http://pastebin.com/YcesWkXQ means and how I can fix it? maybe I just miss a package or it's a debian related problem |
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| 04:18.23 | cafuego | CrazyGir: Sure, tail -f file1 file2 file3 |
| 04:18.59 | cafuego | Dmbekker: I'd say ./stats is buggy |
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| 04:30.27 | saneisjus | I'm curious, is the kernel option CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G=y no longer used? |
| 04:31.30 | cafuego | saneisjus: It's a silly option |
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| 04:31.44 | cafuego | saneisjus: No sane person runs a 32bit kernel on a 64GB ram box. |
| 04:31.57 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: unless they have > 4G |
| 04:32.11 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: I'd still call them insane if they did that tbh. |
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| 04:32.51 | Bublik2002 | im trying to install w32codecs and i get the following error: This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 04:32.52 | Bublik2002 | is only available from another source |
| 04:33.02 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: *shrug*, I have a few boxes like that which are i686 with > 4G. |
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| 04:33.11 | dondelelcaro | kind of unusual, but they do exist |
| 04:33.11 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: For shame! |
| 04:33.31 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Oh I had some back in nineteen diddly doo as well ;-) |
| 04:33.37 | saneisjus | well I've got 8GB ram, and it's only seeing 4 it seems. It's the x86_64 kernel though. I read in places that you had to set that option to get >4GB support, and in other places that it comes standard when you take 64bit processor support. Any thoughts? |
| 04:33.55 | dondelelcaro | saneisjus: if you're using the amd64 kernel, that option is useless. |
| 04:33.57 | cafuego | saneisjus: No, the 64bit kernel doesn't need highmem hacks, so it should magically see it. |
| 04:34.11 | cafuego | saneisjus: If it can't see it, you may need a *bios* hack |
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| 04:34.43 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: yeah, these are from 2004 or 5, right towards the end of the i686 range... and they were free, so I can't really complain |
| 04:35.08 | saneisjus | Well, if I'm seeing it all on my windows partition can I assume it's not the bios? |
| 04:35.36 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: fair enough, yeah |
| 04:35.48 | cafuego | saneisjus: Nope. |
| 04:36.00 | saneisjus | hmm |
| 04:36.09 | cafuego | saneisjus: Windows might contain a bios hack... have a bit of a google.. may be as simple as a boot param. |
| 04:37.16 | saneisjus | I will google some more then. Thanks. |
| 04:37.25 | beefcube | i've recently removed gdm3 using services-admin and i'm trying to startx, however i'm getting the error: "FATAL: module fbcon not found, is there a stupid/easy fix for this? |
| 04:38.09 | beefcube | (squeeze i386 intel laptop) |
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| 04:41.04 | Bublik2002 | when is gnome 3.2 going to hit wheezy? |
| 04:41.30 | beefcube | well ok, apparently i needed to be root, the plot thickens |
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| 04:47.14 | babilen | Bublik2002: It already did -- But you are probably thinking about gnome-shell. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.2-status.html for details. You can also pull packages from unstable quite easily (with suitable pinning or after setting the default release (/msg dpkg pinning ; /msg dpkg tum) |
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| 04:47.45 | babilen | Bublik2002: #debian-next on irc.oftc.net is specifically for testing/unstable questions btw |
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| 05:01.34 | tp43 | hi |
| 05:01.53 | tp43 | I can install iceweasel: iceweasel : Depends: xulrunner-1.9.1 (>= 1.9.1.16) but it is not going to be installed |
| 05:02.00 | tp43 | ***can't |
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| 05:04.08 | zykotick9 | tp43: what version of debian are you using? 1.9.1.16 appears to be squeeze's version. "apt-cache policy xulrunner-1.9.1" |
| 05:04.27 | tp43 | squeeze |
| 05:04.52 | tp43 | Candidate: 1.9.1.16-10 |
| 05:05.34 | zykotick9 | tp43: just an FYI, but i see 1.9.1.16-11 from security.debian.org |
| 05:05.38 | tp43 | http://pastebin.com/TGwJzurT |
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| 05:07.11 | dondelelcaro | tp43: uh... that says you have xulrunner-1.9.1.16-11 installed |
| 05:07.26 | Rusty1 | try aptitiude install iceweasel see if you can live with what it offers ? |
| 05:07.59 | tp43 | oh wait, the sources were slow so I commented out the security one, but I just uncommented them, and its working now, thanks guys |
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| 06:13.56 | Alpha-Omega | if I have an image open in my browser but the source of the image is now down, is there any way to save it/ |
| 06:14.12 | Alpha-Omega | it's high res image so scrot is not an option |
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| 06:14.51 | cthuluh | right click should do, no? |
| 06:15.09 | cthuluh | or do you mean it's only in your browser cache? |
| 06:15.15 | Alpha-Omega | cthuluh, no the file shows up corrupted, I mean it's open in the browser, but if I refresh it'll be lost |
| 06:15.22 | Alpha-Omega | cthuluh, cache i'm guessing |
| 06:15.27 | cthuluh | dunno then |
| 06:15.32 | Alpha-Omega | it's open in my browser but source is down |
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| 06:17.52 | Alpha-Omega | :/ |
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| 06:23.23 | Dolev | bla |
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| 06:30.25 | EgonSpengler | Fuck you Debian smelly hippies |
| 06:30.27 | EgonSpengler | Linux is for bitches and dumb ones at that. *BSD is the way so pick one : FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD or DragonFlyBSD |
| 06:30.32 | EgonSpengler | FreeBSD codexathena.dyndns-office.com 9.0-RC1 FreeBSD 9.0-RC1 #0: Thu Nov 3 06:49:49 EDT 2011 kevin@codexathena.dyndns-office.com:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/ELITE i386 |
| 06:30.35 | EgonSpengler | w00t ! |
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| 06:30.59 | I_Died_Once | hi, how do i change what dns server my debian squeeze is using? |
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| 06:31.53 | zykotick9 | I_Died_Once: depends, are you using network-manager? if not see /etc/resolv.conf |
| 06:32.08 | I_Died_Once | its a remote server I ssh into |
| 06:32.24 | I_Died_Once | command line only |
| 06:32.48 | I_Died_Once | how do i tell if its using network-manager? |
| 06:33.37 | zykotick9 | I_Died_Once: you could see if the inteface is defined in /etc/network/interfaces, if it's there - you're NOT using network-manager |
| 06:34.39 | richard_walnut | you can also see there if you're using dhcp |
| 06:35.03 | richard_walnut | if you are, /etc/resolv.conf will probably get overwritten |
| 06:35.17 | I_Died_Once | its a static ip |
| 06:35.29 | I_Died_Once | not using dhcp |
| 06:35.31 | richard_walnut | ok |
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| 06:56.10 | aegidos | hello everybody |
| 06:58.24 | aegidos | i'm having a problem with fstab here you can see http://pastebin.com/NVhMJbcc |
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| 06:58.58 | aegidos | when upgrading from etch to lenny the names of my USB Drives (runnin a NSLU2) is different |
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| 06:59.34 | aegidos | therefore i got the advice to change the fstab entry from sda1 to UUID |
| 06:59.52 | aegidos | but as you see in my pastebin i have no sda1 |
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| 07:00.47 | aegidos | http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/tips.html#uuid here is the description but i am afraid to try this because my sda2 is mounted as "/" and in the examlpe its mounted to /boot |
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| 07:06.59 | richard_walnut | aegidos, what is/was the name of the usb drive that's changed? |
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| 07:49.30 | arjun_ | Hi, how do I add a resolution size to available modes? |
| 07:50.59 | arjun_ | xrandr is saying: Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1024 x 768, maximum 8192 x 8192 |
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| 08:02.08 | bogner | I'm having trouble installing from usb. I used zcat to put boot.img.gz on the device, mounted and added the wheezy netinst iso. |
| 08:02.25 | bogner | It boots in the machine I want to install on, but says it can't find an iso image |
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| 08:02.36 | bogner | (After asking for language and all that) |
| 08:02.55 | bogner | Does anyone know what I can try? |
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| 08:34.46 | claw | i have an entry like that in an .csv "Gelbert Walter". Now i want to cut the first word (which is the name). like that: "Gelbert";"Walter" |
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| 08:35.08 | claw | is there a possebility to define "word1" in sed ? like awk does? |
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| 08:37.35 | simonlnu | google 'sed one liner' |
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| 09:10.54 | leon9 | Hi, does someone knows what's the matter with couchDB in testing? |
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| 09:17.19 | revil | hi guys!! How easy is it to debug vmlinuz debugging symbols of the linux wheezy kernel w/o optimization and also with debugging symbols? is there any howto/manual to the task? |
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| 09:37.59 | revil | cflags* |
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| 09:44.43 | dirtycookie | hello people, i need some help with cups |
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| 09:46.02 | streuner_ | cups usually works or you are out of luck |
| 09:46.58 | dirtycookie | i have a printer attached to a little parallelport to ethernet to it and want to use cups to work with it. when initiating to print a testpage, everything works, but when trying to print a document then it doesnt |
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| 09:47.56 | dirtycookie | error log is as follows: Invalid HP-GL/2 command seen, unable to print from file |
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| 09:53.22 | qubits | o\ |
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| 09:53.45 | qubits | trying to do NAT so i made a bridge and the bridge itself doesnt know how to access the internet |
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| 09:55.13 | qubits | i need to specify the internet is via the router connected to eth0 with the ip 10.1.8.1 |
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| 10:10.34 | rf5 | hello! im trying to access the ssh localhost but im getting this error message: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
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| 10:17.29 | jelly | rf5: inspect /var/log/auth.log for reasons |
| 10:17.48 | jelly | rf5: also, add one or more -v options to the ssh client for more details |
| 10:18.38 | rf5 | getting this |
| 10:18.39 | rf5 | Jan 5 21:46:01 apollo CRON[10928]: pam_unix(cron:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0) |
| 10:19.44 | ChrisH | rf5; run ssh -v and paste the output somewhere (Hint: /msg dpkg pastebin ) and place the IRL here |
| 10:19.47 | ChrisH | s/IRL/URL |
| 10:19.50 | rf5 | oki |
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| 10:20.49 | rf5 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/793600/ |
| 10:22.05 | ChrisH | rf5: please run grep -i root /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 10:22.17 | ChrisH | and expect: PermitRootLogin no |
| 10:22.28 | rf5 | its yes. |
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| 10:22.52 | lala | hi everyone! |
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| 10:23.45 | ChrisH | I would have bet other :) Did you restart sshd after changing the option? Next step (as jelly mentioned before) run tail -f /var/log/auth.log during the tests |
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| 10:24.33 | rf5 | yes ChrisH |
| 10:24.38 | rf5 | ill paste my result |
| 10:24.51 | rf5 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/793602/ |
| 10:25.13 | ChrisH | thats unrelated stuff. |
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| 10:25.38 | rf5 | huum |
| 10:25.50 | rf5 | cause so far its the only error it says when i try ssh localhost |
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| 10:26.20 | ChrisH | You might need to check the logging config inside sshd:hint grep -i log /etc/ssh/sshd_config and syslogd.conf to match it |
| 10:26.53 | jelly | rf5: which Debian release is this. Which process is listening on localhost:22 tcp port? |
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| 10:30.07 | sickgut | ssh |
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| 10:30.18 | sickgut | wait ill check |
| 10:30.37 | sickgut | root@debian:~# telnet 127.0.0.1 22 |
| 10:30.39 | sickgut | Trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 10:30.41 | sickgut | Connected to 127.0.0.1. |
| 10:30.42 | sickgut | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 10:30.44 | sickgut | SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.5p1 Debian-6 |
| 10:30.46 | sickgut | yep thats your ssh server |
| 10:30.53 | qdb | hello . how to configure debian so that it thinks hardware clock is at local time? i have found http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html#s-multiboot-with but there is no instructions given |
| 10:31.24 | ChrisH | rf5: hint: lsof -i tcp:22 |
| 10:31.25 | simonlnu | man hwclock |
| 10:31.27 | jelly | sickgut: is that on rf5's machine? |
| 10:32.06 | sickgut | thats on whoevers..... 22 is the standard port for ssh server, if you use redhat, ubuntu, slackware its universal standard |
| 10:32.19 | jelly | sickgut: I'm asking rf5 for a reason. |
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| 10:32.37 | qdb | simonlnu, thank you |
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| 10:32.39 | Bartzy | Hi |
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| 10:32.45 | sickgut | gimmie the ip for rf5's puter and ill check |
| 10:33.01 | Bartzy | When doing dh-make-perl make --build --cpan Some::Package , I get this error: Warning: prerequisite Text::Template 0 not found. |
| 10:33.05 | sickgut | telnet to port 22 of the computer you wanna test it will tell you |
| 10:33.09 | Bartzy | Why doesn't dh-make-perl finds that prerequisite ? |
| 10:33.18 | sickgut | even better, ssh into it, it will ask you user and pass |
| 10:33.22 | jelly | sickgut: if he can connect to localhost:22, and there's nothing in the syslog for ssh, something unusual's going on. |
| 10:33.50 | sickgut | is he running ftp server? |
| 10:33.51 | ChrisH | http://paste.ubuntu.com/793600/ Line6 shows it connectes |
| 10:33.52 | jelly | sickgut: which is why we were trying to figure out the reason for those symptoms |
| 10:34.19 | simonlnu | qdb: i use it to fix the clock once booted, when i set it roughly in bios/nvram |
| 10:34.30 | sickgut | because most ftp servers listen to 21 and 22 aswell, one for normal the other for encrypted login |
| 10:34.52 | jelly | sickgut: telnet doesn't tell which process is listening. |
| 10:35.03 | simonlnu | 'as well' |
| 10:35.10 | ChrisH | sickgut: encrypted login from ftpd? Which one does offer such a feature? |
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| 10:35.35 | sickgut | wait let me check |
| 10:35.37 | Ragnar | does any of you know how I'd do about and adjust my openbox up/down and right/left? |
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| 10:35.59 | sickgut | it could be the ftp client connecting to the ssh server port for the transfer |
| 10:36.14 | CrazyGir | Ragnar: .openboxrc or which ever their config is |
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| 10:36.24 | sickgut | jelly what happends when you telnet or ssh to the port 22 of the system? |
| 10:36.36 | sickgut | what output do you see in the terminal window? |
| 10:36.39 | simonlnu | ~/.config/openbox/rc.xml |
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| 10:36.58 | simonlnu | might need to cp one over |
| 10:36.59 | ChrisH | sickgut: if you refer to sftp, this is managed by sshd |
| 10:37.13 | sickgut | yeah its probably that |
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| 10:37.32 | ChrisH | rf5: what about the lsof output? |
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| 10:37.45 | simonlnu | Ragnar: ^^^ see my comments |
| 10:38.14 | jelly | sickgut: I know what happens, there's no need to teach me that. Now it's "waiting for the user to report back" time. |
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| 10:40.14 | gucki | are there any known problems with debian mirrors atm? |
| 10:40.48 | gucki | cnd.debian.org seems to be servers which are not properly configured, ex http://128.31.0.36/ |
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| 10:40.57 | gucki | cdn.debian.org, sorry |
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| 10:42.11 | Ragnar | simonlnu: thanks! |
| 10:42.18 | Ragnar | let me find it, sec |
| 10:42.45 | jelly | oh cnd |
| 10:43.12 | qdb | i would like there is possibility to change only system time zone, ie date --set=+0400 |
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| 10:44.07 | ChrisH | qdb: what do you mena by " change only system time zone", do you refer to /etc/timezone ? |
| 10:45.00 | qdb | ChrisH, seems yes.... it says Etc/UTC what it is? |
| 10:45.40 | qdb | ChrisH, i mean cat /etc/timezone says that |
| 10:46.05 | ChrisH | Check http://wiki.debian.org/TimeZoneChanges |
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| 10:47.19 | simonlnu | Ragnar: np |
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| 10:53.24 | qdb | i used dpkg-reconfigure tzdata and it made my tiem incorrect... i should not use it |
| 10:54.18 | ChrisH | explain what is incorrect. It can be that you need to run ntpdate once after changing the timezone as the HW clock was incorrect set |
| 10:54.24 | qdb | i set london time zone temporarily |
| 10:54.25 | ChrisH | Are you using ntp? |
| 10:55.06 | jelly | qdb: uh, if you want to run a command using GMT, just set TZ env. variable, eg. "TZ=GMT date" |
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| 10:55.25 | qdb | ChrisH, i wanted to fix my tiem without making temporarily incorrect times, i wanted: 1. change time zone 2 . set hwclock with local time option . |
| 10:55.29 | jelly | voila, instant Greenwich time |
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| 10:56.09 | jelly | qdb: why not use UTC for the hardware clock? |
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| 10:56.22 | qdb | jelly i have bad character |
| 10:56.29 | jelly | if this machine only runs Linux, that's the simplest option |
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| 10:56.36 | jelly | qdb: what does that mean |
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| 10:57.34 | qdb | jelly i am jealous about london time is more general than my local time |
| 10:57.55 | jelly | what? |
| 10:58.27 | qdb | what do noy you understand? |
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| 10:59.02 | ChrisH | What is your intention to fiddle with timezones |
| 11:00.35 | qdb | ChrisH, i have incorrect time now, it is utc0 , but it is correct numbers of hours, (i do not know exactly , is my hwclock is used as local or utc ... ) but my real time is +4 |
| 11:01.15 | ChrisH | Do you run other OS on the box, too? |
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| 11:01.30 | qdb | ChrisH, no, but windows is installed |
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| 11:01.55 | et | windows will use local time |
| 11:02.30 | ChrisH | Then my approach would be. 1. use dpkg-reconfigure to set the TZ correct 2. use ntpdate to set the clock correct 3. reboot to check everthing is OK |
| 11:02.38 | qdb | yes , there are other several reason except my character, also comfortable time would be shown in bios settings |
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| 11:04.59 | simonlnu | i'm sorry, but what do you mean by "your character"? |
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| 11:05.43 | mapreri | hello everyone :) I need a command that allow me to know the audio server in use. someone can help me? |
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| 11:06.00 | simonlnu | lsof /dev/snd/* |
| 11:06.17 | qdb | ChrisH, i tried dpkg ... and it set tz correct but time incorrect. i said, i found a plan to make it without errors: "1. change time zone 2 . set hwclock with local time option" can be "1. change time zone" made with direct editing /etc/timezone ? |
| 11:06.43 | simonlnu | dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 11:06.56 | qdb | simonlnu, it makes incorrect time |
| 11:06.58 | simonlnu | don't edit that by hand, it's binary data |
| 11:07.09 | simonlnu | your time is off |
| 11:07.17 | qdb | simonlnu, no it is text |
| 11:07.38 | simonlnu | file /etc/localtime |
| 11:07.45 | simonlnu | /etc/localtime: timezone data, version 2, 1 gmt time flag, 1 std time flag, no leap seconds, no transition times, 1 abbreviation char |
| 11:07.55 | qdb | simonlnu i am going to edit /etc/timezone |
| 11:07.55 | mapreri | thank simonlnu, I'd test this solution :) |
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| 11:08.33 | qdb | simonlnu, ChrisH i think as etc localtime is not fixed it wont work |
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| 11:09.14 | simonlnu | ffs. numerous people have told you how to fix it, instead of listening to the advice, you continue being stubborn and ignoring it. |
| 11:09.32 | simonlnu | so, do yourself a favour and start listening to it. |
| 11:09.34 | qdb | simonlnu, ok i will make it that way |
| 11:10.07 | qdb | simonlnu, but so bug report ? time is impossible to fix without errors? |
| 11:10.21 | simonlnu | *facepalm* |
| 11:10.36 | qdb | i would report bug somewhere |
| 11:10.48 | qdb | no |
| 11:10.51 | qdb | wait |
| 11:11.06 | qdb | i ll try date --set=................. +0400 |
| 11:11.15 | qdb | then fix hwclock |
| 11:11.53 | qdb | and dpkg reconfigure tz data is buggy |
| 11:13.13 | qdb | no "excuse me" probably it is not buggy but lack of features |
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| 11:15.04 | nze | hi, are there domain registrars that allow pointing the arecord to another domain (dyndns) instead of a static ip? |
| 11:15.33 | koollman | nze: I would say ... all of them, or almost all. CNAME records are used for that |
| 11:15.42 | lstarnes | nze: you can't point an A record to anything other than an IPv4 address, but most registrars let you use CNAMEs |
| 11:17.07 | qdb | simonlnu, ChrisH, "date --set='..............15:16 +0400' " do not work as i want, then if i write date it says "... 11:16" |
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| 11:17.27 | qdb | so i ll use that way |
| 11:17.32 | qdb | buggy |
| 11:17.58 | ChrisH | none of us recommended the use of date. BTW 11:16 is OK for UTC |
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| 11:18.49 | simonlnu | sighs |
| 11:19.11 | nze | thx koollman, lstarnes |
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| 11:20.12 | jelly | qdb: you seem to have a lack of understanding of what timezones do |
| 11:20.16 | mjt | qdb: you may want to update tzdata first |
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| 11:20.59 | qdb | jelly i am sure i understand |
| 11:21.17 | mjt | i suspect the prob is the .ru tz changes (they stopped switching from/to daylight saving time this year) -- tzdata that reflects it is not in squeeze (but in squeeze-updates) |
| 11:21.29 | jelly | ,versions tzdata |
| 11:21.30 | mjt | er LAST year :) |
| 11:21.31 | judd | Package: tzdata on i386 -- lenny: 2011k-0lenny1; squeeze: 2011k-0squeeze1; lenny-volatile: 2011n-0lenny1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2011n-0squeeze1; squeeze-updates: 2011n-0squeeze1; wheezy: 2011n-1; sid: 2011n-2 |
| 11:21.41 | jelly | oh right |
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| 11:22.04 | mjt | by old rules it must be +0300 in ru now, new rules say +0400 |
| 11:22.17 | jelly | qdb: which version of tzdata package do you have installed |
| 11:22.20 | qdb | mjt, yes problem occured at install time, timezones were incorrect |
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| 11:22.48 | qdb | and debian, nor even ubuntu, has not set hwclock to local time option at installation |
| 11:23.08 | qdb | jelly i updated all things |
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| 11:23.36 | jelly | qdb: that doesn't answer my question. |
| 11:23.51 | jelly | qdb: dpkg -l tzdata | tail -n 1 |
| 11:23.59 | aegidos | hello, how to check the free disk space on lenny? |
| 11:24.03 | Woet | df -h |
| 11:24.08 | aegidos | thx |
| 11:24.10 | qdb | dpk reconfigure tz data should ask for : should your hw clock be at utc or local time? and it should ask for : whether it should fix timezone and change local time, or fix time zone and save local time but change utc time in system |
| 11:24.14 | anoob | how do i remove suhosin from php cli? |
| 11:24.30 | anoob | i've removed php5-suhosin |
| 11:24.47 | qdb | jelly ii tzdata 2011n-0squeeze1 |
| 11:25.06 | jelly | ok, that's the latest |
| 11:25.40 | ksk | anoob: afaik debians php is always bundled with suhosin (for some good reasons) |
| 11:25.40 | jelly | I _think_ 2011n has the updates for Russia |
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| 11:26.24 | qdb | i am going to report bug about that |
| 11:26.33 | anoob | but it's still there, in cli: http://codepad.viper-7.com/Lw6k0U |
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| 11:26.41 | anoob | ksk, thank you |
| 11:27.00 | mjt | qdb: expect it to be quite a while (if at all) before it'll be fixed ;) |
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| 11:28.47 | anoob | ksk, sometimes suhosin break things ... |
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| 11:29.07 | nvz | jelly: in Soviet Russia, 2011n has updates for you |
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| 11:30.12 | mjt | i just reread the scrollback -- and I don't understand what the problem is, to start with. Except of the lack of local/utc time choice during install time |
| 11:30.31 | mjt | (which I think is offered - maybe in expert mode) |
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| 11:32.15 | anoob | for example ksk: http://stackoverflow.com/a/7646355 |
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| 11:32.51 | else- | is there a way to unload a module on shutdown? |
| 11:32.55 | qdb | mjt, yes you understand one problem. other is: sometimes it seems is not possible to fix data without having temporarily incorrect time |
| 11:33.08 | qdb | fix: to fix date |
| 11:33.26 | ksk | anoob: which things? :p |
| 11:33.42 | anoob | this one, for example: http://stackoverflow.com/a/7646355 |
| 11:33.55 | anoob | i've had three issues with specific cases ksk |
| 11:34.08 | mosno | else-: what purpose would that serve? |
| 11:34.25 | mjt | qdb: it's difficult to fix date before installing correct tzdata package, that's right, and for that, the fix is already here: just grab updated install image. |
| 11:34.36 | ksk | you can put the "protocol" into this whitelist and it will work. so its not really broken |
| 11:34.54 | qdb | mjt, what i said is even if tzdata packae is up to date |
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| 11:35.30 | mjt | qdb: that's what i don't understand. i don't see a problem |
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| 11:35.59 | anoob | yes, this one has a configuration ksk |
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| 11:37.42 | pctony | Folks, I am trying to build a deb that needs to use scons as the make(/install) - any good tips/links/guides? |
| 11:37.55 | pctony | all my other debs are make based and work just fine |
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| 11:39.49 | qdb | mjt, example: i said it already, my case: i have 15:38 local time, 15:38 bios clock, but incorrect 15:38 utc+0 system time, how would you fix it to 15:38 utc+4 without having incorrect time temporarily ? |
| 11:41.31 | mjt | still don't understand. you fix your time zone, your fix your clock. you can't do these two things at once, so there's a small window where the time will be incorrect. |
| 11:41.38 | qdb | wait i am wrong |
| 11:42.06 | qdb | most important is file times as they are written in hdd |
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| 11:42.23 | mjt | it will be irrelevant in 3..4 hours |
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| 11:42.31 | qdb | my time was not correct and changing tiem zone do not change anything on hdd |
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| 11:42.49 | mjt | so wait 4 hours and be done with that |
| 11:42.56 | qdb | more correct, it do not change file modification times |
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| 11:43.12 | qdb | then i set correct with date |
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| 11:44.24 | qdb | as i know system time and file modification times (at least in ext filesystems) are always utc+0 |
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| 11:44.38 | mjt | yes |
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| 11:45.04 | qdb | then i will not report bug |
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| 11:45.34 | qdb | but i can check whether local hwclock option is in installaton |
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| 11:45.40 | mjt | so, is the only prob you're trying to solve is the wrong timestamps on files which were touched during the time your clock was incorrect? |
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| 11:46.38 | qdb | mjt i thought i have incorrcet time temporraily , but i was mistaken |
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| 11:46.58 | qdb | mjt, no |
| 11:47.26 | qdb | indeed i had incorrect filesysem last mod times during several weeks |
| 11:47.36 | qdb | now i just fix them |
| 11:47.38 | else- | mosno: i need to unload a module to make sure my notebook shuts down correctly |
| 11:47.48 | else- | otherwise it'll simply reboot instead of power off |
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| 11:48.04 | qdb | and fixing local timezone and fixing bios time meaning seems are separate tasks |
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| 11:48.21 | mjt | yes these are separate tasks |
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| 11:55.18 | qdb | mjt i think incorrect time may appear in forum softwares temporarily during change of time, but that is not important, because all old times in the forum(bb) database, before fix of time, will become incorrect [anyway] |
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| 11:56.30 | qdb | mjt, and still enhancement to dpkg reconfigure will be good, to make it clear and easily understandable to sysadmins |
| 11:56.45 | qdb | dpk reconfigure tzdata |
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| 12:01.34 | blami | hi, how can I disable update-grub trigger? it tries to outsmart me (and results in bogus grub.conf) |
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| 12:08.32 | me-1 | hi..does Debian have a live CD...? |
| 12:08.52 | petemc | yes |
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| 12:09.27 | me-1 | petemc, is that is same as standard one..? |
| 12:09.36 | Woet | http://live.debian.net/ |
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| 12:11.31 | me-1 | Live Cd is 1.1 GB ..? |
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| 12:11.46 | Woet | seems like it |
| 12:11.59 | mjt | that's a good CD :) |
| 12:11.59 | Woet | depends on your desktop package |
| 12:12.07 | Woet | live dvd |
| 12:12.12 | me-1 | how can i fit it on a Cd..? |
| 12:12.25 | Woet | me-1: debian-live-6.0.3-amd64-standard.iso |
| 12:12.27 | Woet | 231 MB |
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| 12:13.27 | me-1 | Woet, what is s standard Deanian..? |
| 12:13.32 | me-1 | Debian |
| 12:13.38 | Woet | not sure, never used a live cd/dvd |
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| 12:16.26 | Night_Elf | ello all. I have installed a debian in a raid5 configuration. All is good with that. Now I want to install grub to an external usb stick where I have also all that needs to go at /boot. I formated the usb as ext2. But when I try to boot, there comes the "grub rescue>" and the message "out of disk". What can that be? |
| 12:16.42 | Night_Elf | When do a "ls" there, it shows me (hd0,msdos1) and there is a (hd0,msdos1)/grub there. But the "ls (hd0,msdos1)/grub" brings again the "out of disk" message. |
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| 12:19.26 | tuxcrafter | what is the right way to replace /usr/sbin/sendmail with an alternitive /opt/kerio/mailserver/sendmail |
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| 12:19.42 | ksk | tuxcrafter: dpkg statoverride |
| 12:19.44 | tuxcrafter | how to use the "alterative" system for that |
| 12:20.11 | ksk | dpkg-statoverride(8) |
| 12:20.48 | ksk | erm no, that was the wrong thing. |
| 12:21.08 | blubberdiblub | dpkg-divert, maybe |
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| 12:22.16 | ksk | yap, thats it |
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| 12:25.32 | jelly | tuxcrafter: create a dummy package providing mail-transfer-ageny |
| 12:25.35 | jelly | oops |
| 12:26.27 | jelly | tuxcrafter: create a dummy package that "Provides: mail-transfer-agent" using equivs, and also put a symlink that does the above /usr/sbin/sendmail -> /opt/kerio/mailserver/sendmail in it |
| 12:27.01 | jelly | that way, other packages that need a /usr/sbin/sendmail, like cron, don't get confused |
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| 12:46.21 | rly | Is there any good hand holding tutorial for setting up a mail server from start to finish (or you know, just a script with a few questions)? |
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| 12:55.08 | nevyn | rly: dpkg-reconfigure exim |
| 12:55.51 | jelly | rly: it depends on what kind of mail server you're setting up ans what functionality you need |
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| 12:56.23 | rly | jelly: it should send and receive e-mail and I want to set limits (e.g. messages smaller than 1GB) and I don't care about anything else. |
| 12:56.55 | ChrisH | Mail 1GB??? |
| 12:56.56 | rly | jelly: (and it should have a few addresses configured) |
| 12:57.10 | jelly | rly: you don't want multiple domains? Or spam filtering? Or POP3/IMAP access? |
| 12:57.15 | rly | ChrisH: (I don't want to help the problem 'we cannot send files larger than X') |
| 12:57.26 | rly | jelly: IMAP + spam filtering + one domain. |
| 12:58.13 | rly | Anyway, I don't see why after 30 years of e-mail there isn't a curses tool to set up something like that in 2 minutes. |
| 12:58.32 | rly | But perhaps it does exist, I just haven't ever seen it. |
| 12:58.32 | jelly | because it's a complex field and there are many options |
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| 12:59.33 | jelly | rly: http://workaround.org/ has decent tutorials about setting up Postfix and Dovecot. You'll want to skip the "virtual domains" part if you're happy with a single domain and having a unix account per each mailbox. |
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| 13:00.35 | jelly | rly: but blindly following a tutorial does not help you understand how things work and figure out what's wrong when things go bad |
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| 13:05.53 | fredddd | Does anyone have any experiencing enabling SSL on ejabberd? |
| 13:05.56 | fredddd | This is confusing as can be. |
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| 13:08.35 | txm | Afternoon. Is there a tool to convert a ext partition to XFS? Thanks |
| 13:08.36 | scanf | hi, where in the configs for grub2 can i edit something that looks like the screens i see when editing on-the-fly in the actual bootloader |
| 13:08.40 | bolt | how can I test that a given private and public key correspond to eachother without doing something like putting the public one in authorized_keys and using the private one for an ssh connection? |
| 13:08.45 | scanf | it seems like everything is autogen'd from /etc/grub.d/ |
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| 13:11.36 | Morpheme | ehi, mounting and unmount a partition a lot of time ruin it? |
| 13:12.25 | bolt | Morpheme: no. there is no restriction on how many times you can mount and unmount a partition with any sane filesystem on it |
| 13:12.55 | Morpheme | it's the same with usbdrive? |
| 13:13.19 | Morpheme | i want to use one for backup.. but i don't think i can have it always connected |
| 13:13.21 | bolt | Morpheme: depends on the drive and what you do to it. usb drives wear out over time. especially bad ones. |
| 13:13.27 | ChrisH | What Filesystem? unmounting using umount command or simply removing it? |
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| 13:13.59 | Morpheme | external hd usb for backup, to connect every time i'll do backup |
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| 13:14.38 | idimmu | isn't the main issue with usb/esata hdd's just the controller not being very good with power handling, so you cant put them in a low power mode where they spin down when not used? |
| 13:14.49 | ChrisH | Morpheme: What Filesystem? unmounting using umount command or simply removing it? |
| 13:14.52 | idimmu | everything else is the same afaik, they're just always spinning |
| 13:15.14 | bolt | Morpheme: with an external harddrive, you should be well off just mounting it whenever you want to do a backup. do unmount it properly as ChrisH is stressing. |
| 13:16.04 | Morpheme | chrish, ext3/ext4 with dm-crypt; using unmount and cryptsetup luksClose :D |
| 13:16.23 | idimmu | bolt usb drives dont wear out over time .. |
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| 13:16.36 | idimmu | no more than normal hdds anyway |
| 13:16.51 | idimmu | if you're carrying it about and treat it like shit it can break |
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| 13:17.11 | idimmu | but they're not just going to age and fail any different to any other drive |
| 13:18.11 | morteng | hello world! |
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| 13:21.13 | bolt | idimmu: i was obviously referring to flash drives. which is why i didn't include that statement when i switched to talking about external harddrives |
| 13:21.46 | bolt | idimmu: it was initially unclear which type of usb drive he was talking about, and i assumed it was a so called memory stick |
| 13:21.47 | idimmu | flash will wear over time |
| 13:21.53 | Morpheme | anyway, is a bad idea to use an external harddrive for boot Debian? |
| 13:21.59 | bolt | idimmu: i know. i said so. |
| 13:22.04 | idimmu | obviously |
| 13:22.23 | bolt | Morpheme: depends on your definition of bad idea |
| 13:22.25 | Morpheme | i think i can't use a flash drive, for the cycles limit |
| 13:23.02 | bolt | Morpheme: many external drives are not designed for continous read/write, as they don't have sufficient cooling to do so (esp. fanless models). Other than that, USB drives will likely be slower than internal ones. |
| 13:23.12 | idimmu | yeah thats probably a bad idea |
| 13:23.26 | bolt | Morpheme: if you're fine with those two, though... I don't see many other problems. |
| 13:23.52 | bolt | Morpheme: oh, they wont spin down when not in use (again, most models, not all) |
| 13:24.21 | idimmu | thats a driver/controller issue not related to the disk |
| 13:24.44 | Morpheme | uhm, so if i need to take on 24h is better an intenrnal drive |
| 13:25.14 | bolt | idimmu: i am referring to the entire unit, not the drive inside the box |
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| 13:25.50 | idimmu | if by unit you mean the server or workstation the drive is connected to, sure |
| 13:25.57 | bolt | idimmu: the drive inside the box most likely doesn't have usb either, and is therefore not the "usb drive" here. |
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| 13:27.02 | bolt | Morpheme: if you don't need to physically remove the drive all the time, then go with an internal one. |
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| 13:38.07 | morten_ | hello world2! |
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| 13:39.39 | morten_ | debian linux icedove hotmail SMTP server error. ping smtp.live.com works |
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| 13:40.51 | bolt | attempts to telepathically guess which error morten_ is seeing, and what his configuration is |
| 13:40.55 | bolt | fails |
| 13:41.06 | markings_ | Hello, I'm experiencing problem when making any attempts to install packages. Ref: "syntax error: unknown user 'root' in statoverride file". Here is a copy of my statoverride file: http://pastebin.com/36XxFDEk |
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| 13:42.24 | markings_ | The unix 'root' user is in passwd and relevant group file. I don't know what the error is referring to. |
| 13:42.28 | bolt | morten_: keep in mind many isp's block outgoing port 25, only allowing you to use their smtp server to prevent spam |
| 13:43.05 | babilen | markings_: I would suggest to ask this question in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
| 13:43.40 | markings_ | babilen: Alright |
| 13:43.59 | morten_ | ok I have tried many ports, TLS 587 has always worked and currently works from solaris. |
| 13:44.07 | morten_ | uname -a Linux 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Sep 21 06:20:44 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 13:44.14 | morten_ | icedove -v Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.24, Copyright (c) 1998-2010 mozilla.org |
| 13:44.37 | morten_ | I can try with kmail |
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| 13:46.00 | morten_ | I did read something about Ice Weasel general.useragent.extra.firefox should be changed? |
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| 13:46.20 | babilen | markings_: Or, hang on .. This is not about your own package is it? It is rather an error that you receive when you install *any* pacakges? (In that case #debian-mentors is the wrong channel - Sorry) |
| 13:47.04 | doxtor | There's a computer's name on my router list. Where is the name configured? |
| 13:47.09 | ksk | does it work if you leave out the user? |
| 13:48.05 | babilen | markings_: Your /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride looks fine though -- Could you paste complete commands + output of them along with "apt-cache policy" and your /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 13:48.36 | knm3 | is there a ftp server which has a web interface for user management? |
| 13:48.59 | vigilant | Most probably |
| 13:49.02 | vigilant | If you search google for it :-) |
| 13:49.55 | babilen | !tell knm3 -about ftp must die |
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| 13:50.54 | bolt | where's the "silly web interfaces for permission management must die" factoid? |
| 13:51.27 | babilen | hehe :) |
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| 13:51.51 | markings_ | babilen: sources.list: http://pastebin.com/thb6FhYk. "apt-cache policy":http://pastebin.com/YfYCnChP |
| 13:52.04 | Olof_szary | hello, i have i7 cpu, should i install amd64 or ia64 system? |
| 13:52.18 | joltcan | Olof_szary: amd64 |
| 13:52.22 | ChrisH | Olof_szary: You can only install amd64 or i386 |
| 13:52.25 | knm3 | babilen: that does not help me at all, why would you even post that? it has nothing to do with uploading |
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| 13:52.28 | joltcan | Olof_szary: ia64 is legacy stuff |
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| 13:53.07 | Olof_szary | ok, thx |
| 13:53.32 | babilen | knm3: It discusses several alternatives to ftp that might be more appropriate - I think it is a good article, but meh :) |
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| 13:53.59 | Olof_szary | and for laptop, would u advice squeeze or wheeze? |
| 13:54.16 | nixmaniack | anyone knows how can I disable this autosuspend permanently for usb mouse? |
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| 13:54.40 | et | Olof_szary: if unsure, go with squeeze. |
| 13:54.58 | nixmaniack | i followed the guide at 'http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/usb/power-management.txt'. but it's not persistent :( |
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| 13:55.32 | babilen | markings_: Those are fine as well -- Which command gives you this error? What does "diff /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride{,-old}" give you? |
| 13:55.41 | Olof_szary | et: on servers i am running mainly squeeze but i have sometimes problems with hda |
| 13:56.07 | Olof_szary | not sure if it is problem with kernel modules or just config |
| 13:56.18 | bolt | "problems with hda" is not very specific |
| 13:56.57 | markings_ | babilen: http://pastebin.com/Q0qw2TLW |
| 13:57.09 | Night_Elf | Does mkfs.ext4 check for bad blocks by default? If yes, how can I disable it? I need to format a 10TB volume but last time I did took a day and a half. Can there be a way to speed the fs creation process? |
| 13:57.23 | babilen | Olof_szary: You certainly want to install a backported .39 kernel (/msg dpkg bdo kernel) on squeeze for that hardware. |
| 13:57.32 | markings_ | babilen: Any attempts to install any package, IE. "apt-get install irssi" or "apt-get install pure-ftpd" |
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| 13:58.18 | bolt | knm3: you don't want to run an ftp server. but if you must, and you also must have a clunky and insecure web interface, consider going for one of the full server configuration suites, whos names should not be spoken. they handle ftp permissions as well |
| 13:58.46 | babilen | markings_: May I see the complete output? I have never seen this before and am intrigued. Is there anything special with your system that you can think of? When did this start? What did you do before? |
| 13:58.48 | bolt | oh. he left. |
| 13:58.49 | rly | bolt: there are lots of valid reasons for ftp servers. |
| 13:59.06 | rly | bolt: there aren't any for a public ftp server, though. |
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| 13:59.31 | bolt | rly: except for backwards compatibility with crap which really should be updated, i can't see any |
| 13:59.49 | rly | bolt: lots of embedded stuff falls in that category. |
| 13:59.57 | Olof_szary | thakns a lot |
| 13:59.57 | rly | bolt: otherwise, you are right. |
| 14:00.01 | markings_ | babilen: This is a fresh install of Debain 6 on a new server. No custom changes were made and running basic services, such as: lighttpd, mysql, php. etc... |
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| 14:00.08 | Olof_szary | :q |
| 14:00.48 | markings_ | babilen: http://pastebin.com/fm2ByiLn |
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| 14:02.26 | rly | Can I share something via NFS _without_ root rights? |
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| 14:02.59 | babilen | markings_: So this is a completely new installation and you have not been able to install packages at all due to this error? |
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| 14:04.17 | markings_ | babilen: This was recently. I've been succesful at installing packages up to this point. |
| 14:04.36 | babilen | markings_: Ok, what happened in the interim? |
| 14:05.19 | markings_ | babilen: I installed the packages as I stated above. I left and returned today when I begun to have this issue currently. |
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| 14:21.03 | babilen | markings_: This is really weird -- The error is caused when getpwnam returns NULL in dpkg's statdb.c -- But "getent passwd root" is working for you :-/ |
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| 14:21.43 | markings_ | babilen: I've successfully been able to install packages after resolving two issues. 1) removed /usr/bin/crontab entry. 2) Fork: Unable allocate memory. by killing processes |
| 14:22.14 | markings_ | The memory issue I have to address with the provider. It's 512MB, which should be enough |
| 14:22.44 | markings_ | I'm going to add it back and see if the issue re-appears |
| 14:22.48 | babilen | markings_: Do you have a /usr/bin/crontab file? |
| 14:22.59 | markings_ | Holdong |
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| 14:23.26 | babilen | markings_: I have to go now, but you could try to run the example command in "man getpwnam" for root and check if it works. -- What is obvious is that it must be a problem that arises because your system somehow became inconsistent -- The interesting question is why. If this is indeed a bug in Debian I would be interested to pursue this further, but I have some other work to do now. |
| 14:24.03 | markings_ | babilen: Thanks for your help |
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| 14:24.09 | hroi | hi |
| 14:24.28 | hroi | in aptitude search, I can see some packages listed as "pi" |
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| 14:24.44 | hroi | when I try to remove these packages, apt-get doesnt find them, why is that? |
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| 14:25.37 | mjt | hroi: dpkg -P them |
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| 14:26.20 | babilen | markings_: Well, I haven't really done anything except for reading code to figure out where this error is raised exactly. It is, however, obviously related to the "root crontab 2755 /usr/bin/crontab" line which is also the difference to the (presumably) working state before. Would be interesting to know *why* it is wrong. I would check if all referenced files/user/groups are actually there with the correct permissions as stated in the ... |
| 14:26.21 | upp | hello, how can i fix this http://pastebin.com/PAjbBj5t |
| 14:26.26 | babilen | ... statoverride file. |
| 14:26.53 | mjt | upp: what exactly do you want to fix? |
| 14:27.17 | upp | mjt: i want only to install a package, but i can't anmore |
| 14:27.33 | mjt | upp: sorry? why can't you? |
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| 14:27.49 | jelly | upp: there's nothing to fix. If you want, you can safely remove the file mentioned at line 7. What happens when you try to remove the thing you want to remove? |
| 14:27.50 | markings_ | babilen: I'll look into it. I have allot to accomplish in a relatively short time. If I have any room in my time, I'll consider investigating further |
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| 14:28.07 | jelly | upp: your system seems to be working fine. |
| 14:28.09 | babilen | markings_: I would try running the command referenced in http://paste.debian.net/151087/ -- The first snippet is from dpkg and it is obvious that something is wrong here. |
| 14:28.13 | mjt | jelly: he's trying to install not remove. install a package which is already installed |
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| 14:28.27 | hroi | mjt: that results not surprisingly in the same error |
| 14:28.35 | upp | jelly: yes i know, there isn't so any problem when i delate this file? |
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| 14:28.45 | hroi | mjt: I imagine that dpkg and apt-get work well together and agree on what is installed |
| 14:28.53 | mjt | hroi: what error? |
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| 14:29.02 | hroi | dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove libgrib-api-tools which isn't installed. |
| 14:29.02 | jelly | upp: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list.save ? not at all. |
| 14:29.02 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, hroi |
| 14:29.12 | upp | ok thanks |
| 14:29.38 | hroi | aptitude search lists this library as "pi" so installed |
| 14:29.39 | upp | jelly btw, do you know any way to syc musik to iphone? |
| 14:29.53 | hroi | but when trying to remove all of a sudden it is not installed |
| 14:30.02 | jelly | upp: no, but send me an iPhone and I'll find out |
| 14:30.18 | mjt | hroi: um, i confused this "pi" with dpkg status (dpkg -l) |
| 14:30.24 | upp | lol that will also a good idea, i need just your adress :) |
| 14:30.27 | jelly1 | hmm if i install redmine with sqlite3 , i shouldnt have to touch the database config right |
| 14:30.29 | babilen | markings_: Yeah, sorry -- Interesting issue, but I can totally understand that you rather get *real* work done. One thing to note though is that the crontab entry *should* be there. I take it that "cron" is installed? Might be interesting to reinstall the cron package (apt-get --reinstall install cron) and see if that causes the problem again. |
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| 14:31.19 | mjt | hroi: in aptitude, pi means something else (sorry don't remember) - it is NOT installed. |
| 14:31.27 | babilen | markings_: Good luck and may you have a nice day! |
| 14:31.44 | hroi | mjt: it seems it means installed but no trace of the package can be found |
| 14:31.47 | hroi | :? |
| 14:32.09 | hroi | mjt: I did run apt-get clean, to free up space |
| 14:32.23 | hroi | mjt: so no reason to keep debian packages |
| 14:32.28 | mjt | hroi: all tools look into the same place for the status of _installed_ packages -- it is a file /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 14:33.16 | markings_ | babilen: sure |
| 14:33.22 | hroi | mjt: I suspect the debian package system relies on having copies of the original package in the filesystem to see how to remove them |
| 14:33.23 | mjt | hroi: if it is installed it means an entry exists for it in that file. if there's an entry exists for it in that file, it means it is installed (if it is not marked as "removed" or anything else in there). there's no other place for that information |
| 14:33.34 | mjt | hroi: no, this is completely wrong |
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| 14:34.58 | mjt | hroi: according to man aptitude, "pi" in front of a package name means "not installed" and "we want to install it" |
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| 14:38.10 | hroi | mjt: ok, |
| 14:38.25 | hroi | mjt: I see there is something strange here, the binaries are still there, |
| 14:38.33 | hroi | mjt: so I'll have to clean up by hand |
| 14:38.37 | mjt | which binaries? |
| 14:38.43 | hroi | grib-api |
| 14:38.50 | mjt | which binaries? |
| 14:38.52 | hroi | mjt: it was a package i installed |
| 14:38.58 | hroi | grib_dump |
| 14:39.01 | hroi | grib_set |
| 14:39.06 | mjt | where they are? |
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| 14:39.09 | hroi | grib_.. |
| 14:39.11 | mjt | sigh |
| 14:39.23 | hroi | mjt: /usr/bin |
| 14:39.30 | hroi | mjt: /usr/lib |
| 14:39.36 | hroi | mjt: they should not be there but they are |
| 14:39.38 | mjt | so, dpkg -S /usr/bin/grib_dump (or whatever it is) |
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| 14:40.04 | hroi | mjt: what does this command do? |
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| 14:40.22 | mjt | man dpkg, search for -S |
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| 14:42.13 | mjt | i mean, if you really removed the package correctly (not manually editing /var/lib/dpkg/status or somesuch), all files it contained should be removed too. so if they're there, the most probably explanation is that they belong to different package which is still installed. |
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| 14:45.05 | morten_ | I have tried all this : http://kb.mozillazine.org/Connection_errors_-_SMTP |
| 14:45.11 | morten_ | 554 Service failed, or not available. is my error |
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| 14:45.19 | morten_ | 554 can mean that your ISP is blocking the port. |
| 14:45.26 | morten_ | I have tried and the port I use is up and working. |
| 14:45.35 | morten_ | from kmail on same PC and from thunderbird on different PC. |
| 14:45.36 | mjt | 554 is the answer you get from the smtp server |
| 14:45.44 | morten_ | Looks like Microsoft is blocking ice dove; I can next try from ubuntu. |
| 14:45.51 | morten_ | Do you know something about this? |
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| 14:46.04 | mjt | if it is your isp it is not blocking this port but redirecting it to their own fake server |
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| 14:46.21 | mjt | which is supposed to answer with that message |
| 14:46.33 | mjt | ms can't block ice dove |
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| 14:46.44 | morten_ | interesting, tell me more. |
| 14:46.52 | mjt | more? |
| 14:47.15 | morten_ | how can I troubleshoot? |
| 14:47.51 | morten_ | the domain name if this debian box is strange, can I change that? |
| 14:48.13 | mjt | connect to some other smtp server -- eg, mxs.mail.ru (it is one of the most popular free email providers in russia) -- if you'll get the same error that measn its your isp |
| 14:48.17 | mjt | and it most likely is your isp |
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| 14:48.24 | morten_ | all other email accounts smtp and everything else works fine. |
| 14:48.29 | ryushe | hola, got a question. Trying to install Debian 6 Stable, got through the installer which sees all disks (all on a RAID controller, no RAID set up though!). Initial install went fine, all files were written, however when it came time to install GRUB, it gave me an error saying it 'Failed to install GRUB' on /target. I've tried recsue mode and a SuperGrub2 disk and neither seem to be able to install GRUB. What can I do? |
| 14:48.52 | mjt | morten_: sure it is smtp and not submission? |
| 14:49.45 | mjt | ryushe: you've logs in Ctrl+Alt+2 - second terminal |
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| 14:49.54 | mjt | (or is it 4th?) |
| 14:50.15 | morten_ | it says smtp for simple mail transfer protocol, it says nothing about submission. I have carefully verbatin read and written the exact error msg. |
| 14:50.32 | mjt | morten_: you said other smtp works fine. |
| 14:50.40 | mjt | morten_: so which error message you're talking about? |
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| 14:50.50 | morten_ | thank you for the tip about the other russian server, I can try that. |
| 14:50.56 | ryushe | mjt: it's 4th during the install, but it just repeats what the error message is giving me. It downloads GRUB from the repo, then just says it can't install on /target |
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| 14:51.04 | mjt | morten_: anyway, where you're trying to connect to? |
| 14:51.42 | mjt | morten_: are you sure you're connecting to the right server at hotmail (if it's where you're trying to connect) ? |
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| 14:51.54 | morten_ | smtp.live.com TLS port 587 is my target. |
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| 14:52.22 | morten_ | yes that works on a different machine and I am sure, cause kmail can handle that. |
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| 14:52.33 | morten_ | ice dove cannot |
| 14:52.44 | mjt | that's submission port btw ;) |
| 14:52.50 | mjt | not smtp |
| 14:53.15 | morten_ | interesting, can I tri woth port 25 ? Have done so no change. |
| 14:53.22 | mjt | and it works w/o tls |
| 14:53.44 | morten_ | no, IIRC, but I can try that again. one moment. |
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| 14:55.15 | mjt | morten_: you need to see the client<=>server conversation (debug logs from your client) to diagnose further (smtp is a simple, readable text protocol). |
| 14:55.26 | mjt | morten_: but it becomes less and less relevant to #debian |
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| 14:56.54 | mjt | morten_: i've no idea how to use live.com services, so can't help you. they must have the configuration described somewhere. And they don't block icedove (or thunderbird), that's for sure. |
| 14:56.55 | nvictor | hey all |
| 14:57.04 | nvictor | i'm piping to grep |
| 14:57.11 | nvictor | but it does not produce any output |
| 14:57.27 | morten_ | Interesting, the debug logs is what I think can help me. also no tls or ssl and all on port 25 did trigger the same error. |
| 14:57.42 | mjt | nvictor: because no input matches the patterns you told grep to search? |
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| 14:58.13 | nvictor | i have this git log command git log -1 --pretty='format:%ci' path/to/file. but i only want the first part of the output, so i use grep '^.*\s'. |
| 14:58.24 | nvictor | mjt: no no it does, it has to do with the output |
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| 14:58.34 | nvictor | mjt: using an intermediary file works |
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| 14:58.47 | nvictor | the output is similar to this |
| 14:58.49 | nvictor | 2011-12-09 14:14:13 -0500 |
| 14:58.50 | mjt | nvictor: and what's \s ? |
| 14:58.56 | morten_ | I do plan to upgrade to the latest debian. so It may help. Thank you all for this. If I have a problem with debugging, I will return. |
| 14:58.58 | nvictor | but i only want 2011-12-09 |
| 14:59.18 | mjt | morten_: i highly doubt an upgrade will change anything |
| 14:59.22 | nvictor | mjt: match space |
| 14:59.41 | mjt | nvictor: grep does not understand such construct, perl does |
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| 15:00.00 | nvictor | weird |
| 15:00.08 | mjt | not at all. \s is a perl extension |
| 15:00.39 | nvictor | mjt, how do i tell it to stop at first space then? |
| 15:00.57 | mjt | well. |
| 15:01.16 | mjt | first, grep is not a tool to _edit_ individual lines, it only _matches_ lines |
| 15:01.36 | mjt | it will output all lines which matches the pattern -- complete, unchanged lines |
| 15:01.38 | nvictor | i saw that one coming :) |
| 15:01.47 | nvictor | yes but |
| 15:01.49 | mjt | you need sed or perl or awk |
| 15:01.53 | nvictor | what else |
| 15:02.04 | mjt | easiest here is imho awk: ... | awk '{print $1}' |
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| 15:02.14 | nvictor | let me check |
| 15:02.19 | mjt | that means to print only first WORD of each line |
| 15:02.27 | nvictor | ozzom |
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| 15:02.31 | mjt | (space-separated by default) |
| 15:02.51 | nvictor | damn you amazon \ D: they lost my awk book that i ordered |
| 15:02.58 | nvictor | thanks mjt |
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| 15:03.16 | mjt | the same in sed: sed 's/ .*//' |
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| 15:03.26 | imMute | I'm reading http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts and I'm familiar with the "### BEGIN INIT INFO" section of init.d scripts, but what utility actually intelligently sets up the symlinks? update-rc.d doesn't look at the init.d script in question to figure out start/stop runlevels nor does it determine dependancies? |
| 15:03.27 | mjt | that means to delete from first space to the end of the line |
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| 15:03.55 | nvictor | mjt, awk is ossom |
| 15:05.12 | mjt | imMute: in wheezy (and actually in squeeze too), the boot order is managed by insserv (which gets called by update-rc.d too), which implement dependency-based boot -- it looks at the lsb init info about deps and ignores boot orders |
| 15:05.22 | mjt | nvictor: i don't understand "ossom" |
| 15:06.02 | nvictor | mjt, awesome == ossom == ozzom 8) |
| 15:06.23 | nvictor | mjt, nevermind the crazy talk, i think i am used to it now T_T |
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| 15:07.04 | mjt | um. in about 10 years i'm using irc i can't get used to it, and actually don't want to. |
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| 15:08.49 | nvictor | mjt, it's not irc :) |
| 15:08.57 | nvictor | it's nectarine |
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| 15:16.01 | gribouille | hi |
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| 15:16.21 | gribouille | is it possible to specify long options in the #! line of a bash script? |
| 15:18.03 | wallee | !tell gribouille about paste |
| 15:18.32 | gribouille | wallee, I didn't paste |
| 15:18.58 | wallee | gribouille: may be |
| 15:19.10 | hivemind | grrrhm |
| 15:19.30 | wallee | gribouille: #! should put interpreter |
| 15:20.07 | hivemind | i'm trying to enable my mic on debian squeeze. but gnome-sound-recorder isn't starting and mic is not working |
| 15:20.22 | gribouille | wallee, I put #!/bin/bash -i --rcfile tile.sh, and I get an error |
| 15:20.22 | hivemind | and arecord not working too |
| 15:20.36 | hivemind | hivemind@debian:~$ gnome-sound-recorder |
| 15:20.37 | hivemind | Cannot connect to server socket err = îÅÔ ÔÁËÏÇÏ ÆÁÊÌÁ ÉÌÉ ËÁÔÁÌÏÇÁ |
| 15:20.37 | hivemind | Cannot connect to server socket |
| 15:20.37 | hivemind | jack server is not running or cannot be started |
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| 15:21.20 | wallee | gribouille: i don't know this, wait for others |
| 15:21.38 | jelly | !localized errors |
| 15:21.39 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install |
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| 15:22.54 | chrisb | where does someone report Verizon transit problems to http://security.debian.org? |
| 15:23.16 | chrisb | i can't get http, ping or traceroute |
| 15:23.22 | TheWarden | Hi, I have a system with two hard drives in it. One has Debian installed on it and the other has XP installed on it. How do I alter GRUB to allow me to choose which OS I want to boot into? |
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| 15:26.27 | threadlock | anyone with experience of debarchiver, apt-cacher and/or apt-cacher-ng? |
| 15:26.54 | mjt | !ask |
| 15:26.54 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 15:27.31 | threadlock | we use debarchiver, but have some issues and are going to try apt-cacher and apt-cacher-ng and would like second opinions |
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| 15:28.18 | threadlock | mjt: trigger happy there |
| 15:28.22 | mjt | threadlock: um, these are for different purposes |
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| 15:28.40 | threadlock | oh! sorry! |
| 15:28.45 | jhutchins_wk | threadlock: update-grub should run osprober and detect the XP installation, automatically adding it to the menu. |
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| 15:29.28 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden:: update-grub should run osprober and detect the XP installation, automatically adding it to the menu. |
| 15:29.28 | mjt | threadlock: debarchiver _Creates_ a local repository for you, while apt-cacher _caches_ an existing, remote repository |
| 15:29.48 | Ryccardo | I keep getting this in CUPS logs on every print >>>>> D [05/Jan/2012:13:42:10 +0100] [Job 6] STATE: - marker-waste-almost-full-report |
| 15:30.41 | threadlock | mjt: yes, i know, sorry.. we run _approx_ atm (and debarchiver too, but yeah) |
| 15:30.56 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: oh no way, I had no idea it could do that. Awesome, thanks. |
| 15:31.09 | threadlock | it is for approx we consider apt-cacher och apt-cacher-ng instead |
| 15:31.24 | mjt | threadlock: that makes more sense ;) |
| 15:31.40 | mjt | threadlock: i switched from apt-cacher to approx some years ago but i dont remember the reasons |
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| 15:33.10 | threadlock | mjt: ok. you never have cache-misses etc, do you? |
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| 15:34.15 | threadlock | i filed a bug report to approx a while ago, they fixed it so i upgraded to that package, but apparently they introduced new bugs so i went back |
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| 15:34.28 | threadlock | and, i'm sorry, didn't find the time to report the new issues |
| 15:34.30 | mjt | threadlock: i do, quite obviously, since i fetch NEW packages all the time... |
| 15:34.31 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: It's only awesome if it actually works for you, but it should. |
| 15:35.00 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: well I hope it does, I'll give it a try later today. Thanks. |
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| 15:35.44 | threadlock | mjt: i'm sorry, i'm starting to feel that i shouldn't ask today, i'm tired and mix things up, i meant checksum issues |
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| 15:36.27 | threadlock | mjt: you can ignore me if you like and i'll ask on monday instead ;) |
| 15:36.59 | mjt | threadlock: i'm getting checksum mismatch issues but very rarely. I think i know what you're talking about, i never bothered to sort these out. If it really bothers me i just remove cached Packages/Source files and re-update stuff. |
| 15:37.26 | mjt | i've seen these like 2 times last month |
| 15:37.36 | mjt | or last 2 months... |
| 15:38.24 | jhutchins_wk | I wonder if the mirrors routinely check the checksums of the packages, or if they only do so on initial download. |
| 15:38.39 | mjt | jhutchins_wk: mirrors don't check anything usually |
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| 15:39.24 | threadlock | mjt: it happen too often for us, some of our users report it and we get a few tickets about it every month |
| 15:40.18 | mjt | well, you can use general-purpose squid cache for that stuff - it should work all the time :) |
| 15:41.30 | mjt | i don't have lots of users so the usage of approx isn't heavy. about 60 systems which i update on a regular basis |
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| 15:44.56 | delvalle26 | Just went from Wheezy to sid, painless upgrade :) |
| 15:45.02 | delvalle26 | great work all of you! |
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| 15:45.19 | mjt | from wheezy to sid? |
| 15:45.25 | mjt | that's a LOT of changes :) |
| 15:45.37 | delvalle26 | heh heh ;) yeah maybe that's why it went so smoothly |
| 15:46.02 | mjt | it'd be much more interesting to try squeeze to wheezy but... |
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| 15:46.36 | delvalle26 | I did that one too, but months ago :) |
| 15:46.38 | delvalle26 | haha |
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| 16:01.50 | threadlock | mjt: yeah, maybe i should look at squid instead.. we have a few hundred debian workstations and ~250 debian servers |
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| 16:04.49 | robokop | is there a way to display the ACLs my current screen session has? |
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| 16:08.32 | jhutchins_wk | threadlock: I'm sure you could come up with a way to check inbound files and reject them if they were corrupted. |
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| 16:21.58 | steampunkey | hello. my laptop's wireless key seems not to activate wlan. ip link set wlan0 up reports Cannot find device "wlan0". locate wlan returns nothing in /dev. i'm confused. help? |
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| 16:27.06 | zykotick9 | steampunkey: what wireless are you using? "lspci -nn | grep -i network" might tell you/us. |
| 16:27.26 | steampunkey | 08:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM43225 802.11b/g/n [14e4:4357] (rev 01) |
| 16:28.21 | steampunkey | there's a /etc/acpi/events/asus-wireless-on file that defines a hotkey, and a script to call (asus-wireless.sh on), however even running it manually doesn't seem to change anything. i'm using a wired connection now, not sure if that has anything to do with it? |
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| 16:28.36 | steampunkey | *running the said script manually. |
| 16:28.41 | steampunkey | no erros there though. |
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| 16:29.06 | zykotick9 | , pciid 14e4:4357 |
| 16:29.07 | judd | [14e4:4357] is 'BCM43225 802.11b/g/n' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'brcm80211' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4357 http://wiki.debian.org/wl http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
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| 16:29.43 | yazdmich | Hey |
| 16:30.00 | jordanm | !BCM43225 |
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| 16:30.00 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM43225 (PCI ID 14e4:4357, incorrectly identified as BCM4357 by Broadcom's proprietary driver) is an 802.11n PCIe wireless LAN chipset. For support on Debian systems, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. |
| 16:30.02 | blink | Is there any way to avoid installing nagios-plugins and opt for only nagios-plugins-basic when installing nagios-nrpe-server? I'm installing this to VMs, it makes no sense to install samba, fancontrols and lm-sensors |
| 16:30.16 | ChrisH | steampunkey does rfkill list shows somehting about blocked? I installed broadcom-sta-common or modules on my BCM4313 |
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| 16:30.55 | jordanm | blink: try --no-install-recommends |
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| 16:31.22 | steampunkey | ChrisH: what command? |
| 16:31.29 | ChrisH | rfkill list |
| 16:31.39 | steampunkey | ChrisH: list all doesn't show anything lbocked |
| 16:31.56 | steampunkey | ChrisH: maybe the driver is not installed |
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| 16:32.47 | ChrisH | rfkill list <- that was more on the Hotkey. Read what dpkg suggested |
| 16:32.51 | steampunkey | not sure what of these i need: firmware-brcm80211 or brcmsmac |
| 16:32.51 | blink | sweeeet, thanks jordanm. |
| 16:33.14 | steampunkey | ChrisH: oh, ok. |
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| 16:33.46 | steampunkey | apt-cache search brcmsmac shows nothing. should i go with the former one then? |
| 16:34.34 | ChrisH | !brcm80211 |
| 16:34.34 | dpkg | brcm80211 (brcmsmac as of Linux 2.6.39) is an open source <mac80211> driver, supporting 802.11n PCIe devices based on Broadcom <BCM4313>, <BCM43224> and <BCM43225> chips. Included as a staging driver in Debian 2.6.32 kernel images for x86. Firmware is required (bcm43xx-0.fw, bcm43xx_hdr-0.fw), ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-brcm80211 package to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 |
| 16:35.56 | fredddd | Does anyone use ejabberd here? |
| 16:36.14 | steampunkey | ChrisH: hmm says it's "open source", but installation suggest "non-free" |
| 16:36.40 | ChrisH | Firmware is required <<-- thats not open source |
| 16:37.45 | gnarface | question: if i use debootstrap to make an armel chroot on my amd64 system then chroot into it and build a kernel... uh... will that actually work?? (assuming i configure the kernel correctly) |
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| 16:38.04 | steampunkey | ChrisH: yes. i'm very thorough in my reading as usual. anyway, i've followed instructions, i get this: # modprobe -r brcm80211 ; modprobe brcm80211 FATAL: Module brcm80211 not found. |
| 16:38.18 | robokop | dpkg, tell fredddd about ask |
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| 16:38.47 | fredddd | robokop, already tried that method. |
| 16:39.01 | steampunkey | (twice actually) |
| 16:39.06 | fredddd | I am looking for somebody who using ejabberd, anyone, and more specifically, has set a certificate. |
| 16:39.27 | fredddd | If there is any such person, I would like to talk. |
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| 16:40.39 | steampunkey | ChrisH: iwconfig lists only lo, and eth0 with "no wireless extensions" |
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| 16:41.46 | ChrisH | steampunkey: does dmesg shows anything on modprobe? |
| 16:42.06 | steampunkey | ChrisH: dmesg | grep -i modprobe has nothing |
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| 16:42.42 | ChrisH | dmesg | tail is what you wnat to check |
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| 16:43.36 | steampunkey | ChrisH: pressing Fn+(wireless) creates two "unknown key pressed" entries though, each two lines (4 in total) |
| 16:43.47 | steampunkey | ChrisH: that's at the tail |
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| 16:44.07 | ChrisH | forget about the hotkey until the rest works. |
| 16:44.10 | steampunkey | ChrisH: immediately before those are some usb-related things |
| 16:44.49 | steampunkey | ChrisH: i suspect that has nothing to do with the wireless card, so... *shrugs* |
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| 16:45.12 | ChrisH | paste the last lines somewhere... better use more then less lines |
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| 16:45.57 | robokop | fredddd: i run ejabberd with starttls |
| 16:46.40 | steampunkey | ChrisH: there's a lot, this is the "tail" of it: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/363e7bb3/ |
| 16:46.49 | GNU\colossus | I administer several ejabberd instances, all with TLS enabled. |
| 16:46.53 | fredddd | robokop, so have I been trying to do. |
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| 16:47.09 | GNU\colossus | personally, I just use prosody however. |
| 16:47.16 | fredddd | But when testing the certificate, it spews out an error, when I use the deprecated 5223, OpenSSL test goes fine. |
| 16:47.27 | GNU\colossus | which error? |
| 16:47.39 | fredddd | 2080:error:140770FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol:s23_clnt.c:607: |
| 16:47.41 | GNU\colossus | you know that STARTTLS and "old" SSL work fundamentally different? |
| 16:47.42 | fredddd | OpenSSL. |
| 16:47.56 | fredddd | colossus, it was a test to see if the certificate was to blame or not. |
| 16:48.01 | GNU\colossus | you'll have to let openssl know that it should use STARTTLS in a plaintext protocol streak |
| 16:48.14 | GNU\colossus | I think that might require openssl to know more about the XMPP protocol |
| 16:48.20 | steampunkey | ChrisH: i really do have both: firmware-brcm80211 and wireless-tools. i have no idea... |
| 16:48.26 | fredddd | colossus, what lead me to think there was an error. |
| 16:48.32 | GNU\colossus | because there are STARTTLS-enabled openssl s_clients for IMAP and (iirc) POP, for example |
| 16:48.37 | fredddd | I use Maemo on my Nokia N900, I can not connect to my server unless I tick "ignore SSL errors". |
| 16:48.43 | fredddd | Gajim on my Desktop connects fine with no errors at all. |
| 16:48.52 | fredddd | So I am trying to figure out if my server is to blame, or the Maemo software. |
| 16:49.10 | fredddd | And now doing an OpenSSL test, results in that error showing. |
| 16:49.30 | ChrisH | steampunkey: I do not see anything from the wireless card in dmesg! All I see is the tg3 based LAN card. what does dpkg -l | grep -i broad show? |
| 16:49.36 | fredddd | Looking up ejabberd with that error, points me to bug tracker posts of ejabberd and that issue, but I could not really come to a conclusion about what being at error. |
| 16:49.50 | GNU\colossus | fredddd, if a certificate is accepted by your SSL stack or SSL-enabled app depends on whether or not the CA that signed it has its cert stored in your SSL stack's trust store. |
| 16:49.57 | fredddd | I am at the ejabberd@conference.jabber.ru channel but they all seem so silent over there. |
| 16:50.08 | GNU\colossus | can the N900 use "old SSL" on port 5223? |
| 16:50.12 | fredddd | The certificate is entirely fine. |
| 16:50.14 | GNU\colossus | if so, does it work there? |
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| 16:50.20 | fredddd | It is generated by a trusted certificate authority. |
| 16:50.26 | fredddd | I run a web server and OpenSSL likes it. |
| 16:50.28 | steampunkey | ChrisH: it says it's installed: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/72765603/ |
| 16:50.36 | GNU\colossus | yeah, that's fine, but not all trust stores are created equal :) |
| 16:50.40 | fredddd | OpenSSL finds no problems with the certificate when enabling the old SSL method of ejabberd @ 5223. |
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| 16:51.06 | GNU\colossus | again, OpenSSL behaves differently when you use SSL from the start, or TLS in a plaintext stream |
| 16:51.28 | fredddd | But again, knowing this, I would not know what parameters to feed OpenSSL, to satisfy the output, to not error. |
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| 16:51.37 | GNU\colossus | using s_client to connect to any socket that expects non-SSL traffic that will get "upgraded" to TLS via STARTTLS _will_ cause s_client to fail |
| 16:51.39 | steampunkey | ChrisH: btw, you're pretty rocking this linux admin thing. |
| 16:52.15 | ChrisH | steampunkey: I do *IX admin (Soalris, HPUX, Linux) for more then 15 years now as professional :) |
| 16:52.30 | stevieman | I'm trying to get the apache status mod running on my server and I keep getting a 404 Not Found error. I've done a 'a2enmod status' and setup the status location in the apache conf file. Is there anything I should be looking at? |
| 16:53.03 | steampunkey | ChrisH: sounds like a nice career. |
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| 16:54.22 | steampunkey | ChrisH: i'm aiming at programming "only". so i have to come to you for help X-D |
| 16:55.22 | steampunkey | invisible module... weird |
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| 16:57.23 | ChrisH | steampunkey: http://paste.debian.net/151132/ thats what I have installed... I would give them a try and reboot afterwards |
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| 16:57.57 | gnugr | stevieman: did you run "/etc/init.d/apache2 restart" ? |
| 16:58.40 | stevieman | gnugr: Yes I did, but a good thing to check as I've forgotten that before :) |
| 16:58.44 | jhutchins_wk | steampunkey: iirc the default config only allows access to that service from localhost, and that could be disabled as well. |
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| 16:58.56 | fredddd | GNU\colossus, what OpenSSL line should I run? If it is even possible to test this with it? |
| 16:59.08 | jhutchins_wk | Blasted ambiguous tab completion... |
| 16:59.09 | steampunkey | jhutchins_wk: sorry, which service? |
| 16:59.20 | jhutchins_wk | stevieman: : iirc the default config only allows access to that service from localhost, and that could be disabled as well. |
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| 17:00.09 | steampunkey | ChrisH: ok, thanks for the help, i'll try broadcom then... this is really weird though |
| 17:00.18 | gnugr | stevieman: do the same for mysql and be sure to test localhost if theres in /var/www/index.php |
| 17:00.20 | stevieman | jhutchins_wk: I set Allow From to all |
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| 17:01.48 | stevieman | gnugr: Restarting mysql didn't help and the site on the server is being served up just fine it's only the /server-status that isn't working |
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| 17:04.09 | gnugr | stevieman: all files in /var/www must be in "www-data:www-data" owner |
| 17:04.58 | gnugr | or you have to symlink others |
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| 17:06.26 | GNU\colossus | fredddd, I don't know if it's possible, sorry. |
| 17:07.47 | hivemind | hm |
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| 17:09.48 | hivemind | on stable, i don't see apt-policy, apt-build world commands |
| 17:09.56 | hivemind | where? |
| 17:11.07 | gnugr | hivemind: did you install apt-cacher ? to have apt-cache policy package ? |
| 17:11.14 | stevieman | gnugr: Double checked and they are. Server-status doesn't actually exist in the htdocs folder |
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| 17:11.42 | hivemind | gnugr, oh, thanks |
| 17:11.51 | gnugr | dtevieman: htdocs exists in /opt |
| 17:12.06 | gnugr | stevieman* |
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| 17:13.25 | gnugr | stevieman: i guess you work with lamp |
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| 17:13.42 | gnugr | lamp goes to /opt |
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| 17:14.13 | stevieman | gnugr: basically yah debian 6 lamp |
| 17:14.23 | gnugr | that means you have to restart them from /opt |
| 17:14.35 | Owner_ | wow there is actually lamp for linux? |
| 17:14.40 | Owner_ | seems only useful on windows |
| 17:15.07 | gnugr | lamp works with any OS |
| 17:15.16 | Owner_ | well why would you need it on linux |
| 17:15.30 | stevieman | gnugr: there is nothing in /opt |
| 17:15.30 | Owner_ | better self contained stack i guess? |
| 17:15.40 | Owner_ | easier backups / migration |
| 17:16.08 | Owner_ | how do i run lamp on VAX |
| 17:16.08 | hroi | Does anyone know if the mv and cp commands are gradual ? |
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| 17:16.18 | Owner_ | hroi| what does that mean |
| 17:16.52 | hroi | Owner_: I dont want them to take time to move, i want it to appear in the destination folder fully materialze, all bites |
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| 17:17.05 | hroi | Owner_: not like a slow download where the file fills upp gradually |
| 17:17.07 | ChibaPet | hroi: The only way to accomplish that is by moving/linking things. |
| 17:17.30 | gnugr | stevieman: are you with lamp or not? |
| 17:17.51 | hroi | chipotle: what about the lockfile, I heard about some mechanism called lockfile in the shell, does that work? |
| 17:17.51 | ChibaPet | Move your stuff somewhere (say /usr/local/hroi-temp) and then mv /usr/local/hroi-temp /usr/local/hroi after deleting the old /usr/local/hroi. |
| 17:18.42 | stevieman | gnugr: Sorry, I guess I'm not understanding what you mean by lamp. I've only heard lamp used to describe Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP |
| 17:19.00 | gnugr | yes |
| 17:19.32 | linux00002 | I just installed squeeze on a VM and started geting these mails from mpt-status about raid, but there is no raid in on the VM. /var/log/message reports "mpt-statusd: detected non-optimal RAID status". I could stop mpt-status service but i am curious why it was started to begin with |
| 17:19.33 | Owner_ | hroi| mv will do it more or less instantly if its the same partition |
| 17:19.39 | Owner_ | hroi| cp will always be 'gradual' |
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| 17:20.30 | gnugr | stevieman: apache2 exists? "apt-cache policy apache2" |
| 17:20.41 | gnugr | check them out |
| 17:21.06 | gnugr | also for mysqlserver5.1 |
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| 17:21.40 | stevieman | gnugr: 2.2.16-6+dqueeze4 |
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| 17:23.08 | gnugr | stevieman: when you run "http://localhost" must get "works", apache2 comes with system |
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| 17:24.03 | stevieman | gnugr: Yes my apache is working just fine, server up sites perfectly. The status mod is returning a 404 when I try to access the location specified in the conf file |
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| 17:25.03 | gnugr | stevieman: did you install mysql-server-5.1? |
| 17:25.24 | stevieman | gnugr: absolutely and php5 |
| 17:25.36 | gnugr | phpmyadmin? |
| 17:25.54 | stevieman | gnugr: yes |
| 17:25.59 | gnugr | what you want to run on server? |
| 17:26.01 | stevieman | and it works properly |
| 17:26.13 | stevieman | gnugr: mod status |
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| 17:27.23 | steampunkey | is it possible to specify different kernel version (that is, not the one that uname -r gives) to module-assistant? |
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| 17:28.48 | gnugr | steampunkey: what debian version you run? |
| 17:29.03 | steampunkey | steampunkey: -new ;-) unstable |
| 17:29.18 | steampunkey | gnugr: * |
| 17:29.21 | steampunkey | :-/ |
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| 17:29.38 | gnugr | what do you have is sources.list? |
| 17:29.51 | gnugr | only unstable? |
| 17:30.10 | steampunkey | gnugr: yes |
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| 17:30.50 | steampunkey | gnugr: (and unstable updates). why? |
| 17:30.55 | gnugr | did you check in synaptic for diff linun-image? |
| 17:31.04 | gnugr | linux-image |
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| 17:32.05 | steampunkey | gnugr: not sure what you're getting at. |
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| 17:32.20 | gnugr | stevieman: sorry mate i don't know what mod status is |
| 17:33.14 | gnugr | steampunkey: to get a diff kernel must be in your packages |
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| 17:33.30 | stevieman | gnugr: It's an apache mod that give you real-time status on what apache is doing |
| 17:33.37 | steampunkey | gnugr: i have three different linux-imageS and their linux-headers'. as the new ones seem to be unrecognize by some *-sources packages i'm trying to build (btw, that's very common and annoying), i want to try them all |
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| 17:35.10 | steampunkey | jelly: interesting hostname :-P |
| 17:35.47 | gnugr | steampunkey: i do use linux-image-3.2.1-rc7 from experimental, i don't know what in unstable exists |
| 17:36.20 | jelly-home | steampunkey: why so! |
| 17:36.30 | steampunkey | gnugr: it's croatian. |
| 17:36.45 | gnugr | wow, great |
| 17:37.10 | jelly-home | dunno, "homestuck" doesn't sound too croatian to me |
| 17:37.43 | steampunkey | gnugr: i have 3.0.0-1, 3.0.0-2, and a 2.6* one, but that one's headers aren't in the directory of the same name |
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| 17:38.44 | steampunkey | jelly-home: znaš li kako eksplicitno specificirati kernel verziju za module-assistant? |
| 17:38.55 | jelly-home | English here, plz |
| 17:39.16 | steampunkey | jelly-home: the rest got the question before. so, do you? |
| 17:39.19 | jelly-home | haven't used m-a in a while |
| 17:39.26 | peterhil | HI! How can I prevent X11 related packages form installing like in Gentoo with 'use' flags? |
| 17:39.31 | jelly-home | luvz dkms |
| 17:39.40 | gnugr | steampunkey: module-assistant will update olny linix-headers |
| 17:39.47 | peterhil | I just installed emacs, and forgot, I should've installed emacs-nox... |
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| 17:39.57 | jelly-home | steampunkey: make a proper symlink in /lib/modules/XXXX/build |
| 17:40.09 | jelly-home | I mean, a symlink to the right directory |
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| 17:41.07 | steampunkey | jelly-home: yeah, the thought occured to me too. it'd be better if one could specify kernel header version explicitly though, but i guess it depends on the underlying make |
| 17:41.15 | peterhil | I now did purge with package names from the aptitude log, and hope I didn't also remove anything essential |
| 17:41.33 | peterhil | Anyone? This should be easy question... |
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| 17:41.41 | nvictor | hey debian :D // |
| 17:41.41 | jelly-home | steampunkey: It'd be better to use dkms instead if possible, it's saner |
| 17:42.00 | nvictor | i want to edit a couple of lines in a file |
| 17:42.05 | nvictor | from the shell |
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| 17:42.23 | nvictor | which one am i looking for? awk? |
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| 17:42.29 | steampunkey | jelly-home: wouldn't know that one |
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| 17:43.41 | gnugr | steampunkey: did you update/prepare m-a? |
| 17:43.46 | slash | hi dears |
| 17:43.48 | valerie | hey guys - I am newbie and want to find a file slim.txt in my Debian Machine - if I open a shell - cli - how can I search for that slim.txt file ? |
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| 17:43.59 | steampunkey | gnugr: what's that? |
| 17:44.12 | zykotick9 | valerie: "find / -name slim.txt" should work |
| 17:44.18 | jelly-home | !dkms |
| 17:44.19 | dpkg | Dynamic Kernel Module Support (DKMS) is a framework for generating out-of-tree Linux kernel modules. Packages using DKMS build modules during installation and when updated Linux versions are installed, provided Linux headers are present (these are not installed by dkms). DKMS-managed modules are installed to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms/ . The module build log file can be found at /var/lib/dkms/$module/$version/build/make.log |
| 17:44.27 | slash | someone had problems to install gnome on debian 5? |
| 17:44.28 | gnugr | m-a=module-assistant |
| 17:44.28 | corpus | valerie, find / -name slim.txt |
| 17:44.45 | nvictor | hi slash o/ |
| 17:44.46 | steampunkey | jelly-home: i seem to be unable to perform ln -s o.O |
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| 17:45.02 | slash | hi nvictor |
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| 17:45.11 | gnugr | nvictor: use nano to edit lines |
| 17:45.13 | steampunkey | gnugr: i'm confused by the update/prepare part |
| 17:45.18 | jelly-home | steampunkey: be root |
| 17:45.23 | slash | i'm study for LPI exams |
| 17:45.28 | nvictor | gnugr: i don't want human intervention T_T |
| 17:45.34 | steampunkey | jelly-home: i am. it fails silently. at least ls can't see anything |
| 17:45.39 | nvictor | gnugr: it's to be executed from the shell, that's why |
| 17:45.49 | gnugr | ok |
| 17:45.51 | slash | someone from Brazil? |
| 17:45.56 | nvictor | slash: what's that? |
| 17:45.56 | jelly-home | steampunkey: what's the exact cwd and command used? |
| 17:46.06 | steampunkey | jelly-home: nvm. i got the target and source reversed XD |
| 17:46.09 | peterhil | valerie: find works, the first argument is where to search from. If it's in your home dir, then find ~ would be faster. You could also use locate, if locatedb is updated, but I guess it's not by default on Debian |
| 17:46.30 | gnugr | slash: LPI allso works online |
| 17:46.37 | gnugr | also* |
| 17:46.38 | slash | LPI is Linux Professional Institute, and exam certification, like Microsoft Programs |
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| 17:47.17 | gnugr | slash: no LPI in Brasil? |
| 17:47.28 | adelec | Hi all. I'm having an issue with Synergy requiring GLIBCXX3.4.14, and the only fix that I've found is to use a .rpm package. Is there any other fix/option available for getting this package that doesn't involve using a .rpm? |
| 17:47.50 | valerie | corpus zygotick9 it worked ! You are geniuses :) |
| 17:47.52 | slash | gnugr Yes, i'm have made the exam 117-101 at last month |
| 17:47.53 | rly | adelec: talk to Synergy. |
| 17:47.53 | valerie | thanks |
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| 17:48.24 | slash | but i'm have problems on study to the next exam |
| 17:48.41 | slash | to configure X System |
| 17:49.02 | steampunkey | jelly-home: i'm afraid symlink didn't do the trick... strange |
| 17:49.24 | adelec | rly, wouldn't it be a debian issue more than a synergy issue because the issue is related to finding a debian-suitable package? |
| 17:49.29 | valerie | OK, second question - if I want to file all files *.txt - what should I type |
| 17:49.53 | jelly-home | !tell valerie -about using find |
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| 17:50.11 | nvictor | guess i am going to learn some awk |
| 17:50.12 | zykotick9 | valerie: "find / -iname *.txt" should work |
| 17:50.18 | slash | valerie, its easy, read the man pages |
| 17:50.34 | gnugr | slash: get exam-ebook from main LPI (locate in Canada iirc) |
| 17:50.37 | jelly-home | valerie: find /some/dir -type f -name '*.txt' |
| 17:50.41 | steampunkey | aaargh |
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| 17:50.59 | slash | gnugr i'm have many books |
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| 17:51.12 | jelly-home | valerie: the guides at wooledge.org are very nice, IMHO |
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| 17:51.45 | Night_Elf | Is the response "read the man pages" a personal trait, or it is just acquired from experience? |
| 17:51.50 | slash | gnugr the only problem is at install Gnome, i'm install KDE and Fluxbox normally |
| 17:52.36 | gnugr | prepare you self and you will find where you get exams |
| 17:52.53 | peterhil | nvictor: Awk is most powerful, and thus also more complex to use. With awk you can modify specific line numbers, or examine if the line in question is the one you want to modify. You could also use perl and regexp and loop over lines with perl -pe 's/foo/bar/g' or check these http://www.softpanorama.org/Scripting/Perlorama/perl_one_liners.shtml , but for regexpable modifications sed is more straighforward. |
| 17:52.59 | slash | Night_Elf is a personal help, i think it is more expansible |
| 17:53.58 | slash | the best form to learn is official manual |
| 17:53.59 | Night_Elf | slash: It could be. After some simpler answer is provided, and then "read the man pages" is offered as the option to improve and deepen the knowledge. |
| 17:54.20 | peterhil | So how about preveting X11 packages from ever installing on a server? |
| 17:54.39 | jhutchins_wk | Night_Elf: It's usually from someone who has actualy read that particular man page and knows that it will not only answer your question, but that you will most likely have additional questions that it will answer, and give you an overview of a process as opposed to a single solution. |
| 17:54.42 | jelly-home | peterhil: to what end |
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| 17:55.12 | peterhil | jelly-home: I just installed emacs, and forgot to use package emacs-nox |
| 17:55.19 | slash | Night_Elf I think this is many expansible, the help in IRC is more to troubleshoot |
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| 17:55.29 | s70rm | how can i list actual fbsd slice/partition |
| 17:55.41 | peterhil | And had to remove about 68 packages. It's going to be a Xen hostm so I really don't want X11 there. |
| 17:55.44 | Night_Elf | jhutchins_wk: I agree with that. But that's not exactly the answer you offer to someone saying: I am a n00b, how can I look for file named X.txt at the command line. |
| 17:55.57 | jelly-home | peterhil: so remove it and installed the one you wanted. aptitude will automatically remove any automatically installed dependencies that are no longer needed |
| 17:56.16 | jelly-home | peterhil: provided you're using at least Debian 6 |
| 17:56.24 | peterhil | But can I specify to never install anything X11 realted like in Gentoo? |
| 17:56.32 | jelly-home | not really |
| 17:56.33 | peterhil | I use squeeze. |
| 17:57.11 | peterhil | Ok. Well, luckily apt is fast. I've just bitten a couple of times removing unintended package installations. |
| 17:57.29 | peterhil | And would really prefer to disable X11 packages altogether. |
| 17:57.33 | slash | peterhil I had install Xorg and gdm, but don't run, i'm search for "how-to's" |
| 17:57.44 | jelly-home | peterhil: if you're using apt, "apt-get autoremove" will deal with unneeded dependencies |
| 17:58.02 | jelly-home | if you're using aptitude, it does it one the fly |
| 17:58.22 | peterhil | jelly-home: Ok, I didn't know aptitudf |
| 17:58.24 | valerie | Thanks a lot guys - jelly-home your link is awesome - I bookmarked it - though the hints you, Corpus and Zygotyk9 was great |
| 17:58.35 | peterhil | ...aptidude does that automatically |
| 17:58.43 | jelly-home | !tell peterhil about why aptitude |
| 17:58.43 | slash | peterhil try use tasksel |
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| 17:59.10 | valerie | peterhil: thanks for locate sugestion, perhpas that's next level of sofistication :) |
| 17:59.15 | slash | the syntax is tasksel install "package", |
| 17:59.28 | jhutchins_wk | Night_Elf: There are manpages that are obtuse and not terribly useful from the "how to use the program" standpoint. Most of us won't recommend those to new users. |
| 17:59.50 | jhutchins_wk | Night_Elf: The habit of checking the manpage is a good one to get into though, it gives a new user a tool to solve their own problems. |
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| 18:00.38 | slash | jhutchins_wk isto é uma técnica utilizada em cursos oficiais, ler man pages |
| 18:00.39 | jhutchins_wk | Night_Elf: For instance, if you ask me how to change the brightness in mplayer, I'm going to point you to the manpage where it also tells you how to change contrast and saturation. |
| 18:00.50 | slash | sorry |
| 18:01.00 | slash | jhutchins_wk This is a technique used in official courses, reading man pages |
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| 18:01.44 | Night_Elf | jhutchins_wk: Of course, I once again agree. But then again it depends on the question. Or you could also mention "use option --brightness=40 for that. Check the man page for more". |
| 18:01.48 | jhutchins_wk | slash: That said, there are some man pages that explain the design or structure of a command and really aren't much help with "how do I get something done". |
| 18:01.58 | slash | jhutchins_wk administratively to be a full, you must be accustomed to the man pages |
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| 18:02.15 | peterrooney | no substitute for combining man pages with experimentation. |
| 18:02.26 | slash | peterrooney yes |
| 18:02.32 | zykotick9 | does with gnu/linux man pages had more examples, like freebsd does |
| 18:02.36 | gnugr | debian handbook will be soon ready |
| 18:02.40 | zykotick9 | s/with/wish/ |
| 18:02.54 | rabbit | Greetings all. How do I put certain processes not associated to my terminal to sleep? |
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| 18:03.02 | jhutchins_wk | It |
| 18:03.12 | slash | A good book is the LPIC of sybel editor |
| 18:03.21 | slash | is perfect for newbies |
| 18:03.25 | valerie | thanks a bunch - see youy around |
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| 18:03.29 | slash | and administrator too |
| 18:03.29 | jhutchins_wk | It's still a bit of a joke in Linux that any software that is fully documented is obsolete and deprecated. |
| 18:03.42 | gnugr | slash: a link? |
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| 18:04.11 | slash | gnugr i'm have the PDF, but you can find in google, searching for .torrent |
| 18:04.15 | ompaul | jhutchins_wk: take them as a rough guide if you want complex documentation ask RHEL for a site licence :) |
| 18:04.18 | jhutchins_wk | rabbit: What kind of processes? |
| 18:04.27 | ompaul | sorry thought we were in offtopic |
| 18:04.30 | slash | sorry for my english, is very poor...kkk |
| 18:04.31 | robokop | rabbit: SIGTSTP |
| 18:04.43 | gnugr | slash: ok thanx i found it on Greek LPI |
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| 18:05.23 | jhutchins_wk | ompaul: Got one, but RHEL's documentation is not as user friendly as Debians. |
| 18:05.33 | ompaul | jhutchins_wk: ooch |
| 18:05.47 | slash | jhutchins_wk in the wowebook, have documentation for REDHAT exams |
| 18:05.50 | peterhil | slash: Why tasksel? Doesn't it just provide a few different bunch of packages? |
| 18:06.05 | jhutchins_wk | ompaul: For instance, we have a manpage for /etc/network/interfaces. It doesn't list all of the options (wifi for instance), but it's a good start. I haven't found the equivalent for RHEL yet. |
| 18:06.07 | rabbit | jhutchins_wk: Say I have a cron'd tar that I need to put on hold for a few moments. |
| 18:06.11 | slash | peterhil tasksel is a graphical installer |
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| 18:06.44 | rly | How can I install an fglrx version which does work (i.e. does not crash) on Debian Stable? |
| 18:06.46 | slash | peterhil like install on Slasck |
| 18:06.49 | jhutchins_wk | We are indeed pretty far offtopic here - I suggest if you want to continue to discuss general documentation we take it to #debian-offtopic |
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| 18:07.02 | jhutchins_wk | !fglrx |
| 18:07.03 | dpkg | fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chips prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>; see <fglrx lenny> for oldstable. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 18:07.21 | gnugr | hands ompaul a glass of greek mountain tea |
| 18:07.23 | robokop | rabbit: kill -TSTP <pid> |
| 18:07.26 | peterhil | slash: Oh, yes. Lik sysinstall in FreeBSD. Thanks, but I'll manage with aptitude search and apt-cache search |
| 18:07.40 | rly | jhutchins_wk: the radeon drivers are even worse than the fglrx drivers. |
| 18:07.58 | slash | peterhil ok |
| 18:08.03 | rly | jhutchins_wk: the version installed by default in Debian Squeeze is buggy as hell. |
| 18:08.12 | rly | jhutchins_wk: I am asking for a different solution. |
| 18:08.19 | jhutchins_wk | rly: Tell ATI. |
| 18:08.24 | gnugr | fglrx drivers are for AMD |
| 18:08.28 | rly | jhutchins_wk: give me an e-mail address. |
| 18:08.42 | slash | someone has a manual from scratch installing gnome on debian? |
| 18:08.43 | rly | jhutchins_wk: I will gladly tell how bad this is for their stock price. |
| 18:09.02 | rly | (It just shows they are incompetent.) |
| 18:09.02 | jhutchins_wk | MmmmHmmm. What's the Linux market share again? |
| 18:09.14 | rly | jhutchins_wk: what makes you possibly think this is Linux specific? |
| 18:09.24 | rly | jhutchins_wk: both are x86-64. |
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| 18:09.35 | rly | jhutchins_wk: it doesn't work, because.... they suck. |
| 18:09.49 | rly | It's not because they don't want to, no it is because they suck. |
| 18:09.55 | Night_Elf | slash: apt-get install gnome will not do ? |
| 18:10.09 | rly | jhutchins_wk: also, Linux market share is larger than you think. |
| 18:10.30 | slash | Night_Elf install normally, but when i'm run startx or xinit, the system don't run correctly |
| 18:11.13 | slash | Night_Elf the system turn into X server, but desktop don't up |
| 18:11.25 | Night_Elf | slash: and what do the log files say? /var/log/Xorg* ? |
| 18:11.35 | rly | jhutchins_wk: and to add to that: a company that cannot write cross-platform software basically stinks by definition. |
| 18:11.42 | slash | Night_Elf one moment, please |
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| 18:12.54 | slash | Night_Elf no problems in Log |
| 18:13.33 | slash | Night_Elf I think it is missing some package |
| 18:13.45 | Night_Elf | slash: No warnings? (WW) or errors? (EE) ? |
| 18:13.48 | slash | or maybe i dont know |
| 18:14.35 | slash | Night_Elf yes |
| 18:15.24 | slash | Night_Elf the directory /usr/share/X11/cirilyc dont exist |
| 18:15.46 | slash | and other acpi error |
| 18:15.54 | Night_Elf | slash: does the screen show anything? Or it goes black or standby mode? It could well be that your monitor can't support the resolutions your card is suplying. |
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| 18:17.42 | slash | i'm have a geforce 9600GT, the screen displays a prompt |
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| 18:17.42 | Night_Elf | slash: nouveau drivers ? |
| 18:18.02 | slash | the driver not problem, works with KDE |
| 18:18.17 | slash | im has a clone with KDE |
| 18:18.23 | slash | the same machine |
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| 18:18.47 | slash | i'm install the same packages and check with "dpkg -l" |
| 18:18.48 | Night_Elf | slash: what happens if you add another username, a fresh one for test. And see what happens from that one ? |
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| 18:19.58 | slash | I need to create a new user with permissions, I'm running this as root |
| 18:22.30 | Night_Elf | slash: mmm... it should work for any user. Try add a test user to see what happens, no special permitions. Login as that user and test it, just to see what happens. |
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| 18:22.57 | slash | im use my user and the message: user not authorized to run X server: aborted |
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| 18:25.28 | slash | i'm reinstall like many how-to's explains, but no work |
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| 18:27.15 | Night_Elf | slash: try this as root: dpkg-reconfigure x11-common |
| 18:27.16 | slash | is a particular fail in gnome or bug |
| 18:27.16 | Night_Elf | slash: maybe you have configured for X to run as root only ? |
| 18:27.16 | slash | yes |
| 18:27.18 | slash | Night_Elf dpkg-reconfigure pass |
| 18:27.24 | slash | no messages |
| 18:27.58 | slash | if I try install KDE, works fine |
| 18:28.32 | lgp171188 | Hi, I am trying to serve git repositories using gitosis. I have installed the gitosis package and run the command gitosis-init < <key> as gitosis user. When I try to clone the admin repo as root user, I am prompted for a password. Is there a default password? I tried adding http://pastebin.com/DNatnaaS to ~/.ssh/config, but I am still prompted for password for gitosis user. What could be wrong here and how to fix it? |
| 18:28.53 | jhutchins_wk | rly: The estimated desktop market share has increased a whopping 40% over the last year - all the way from 0.99% to 1.4%. |
| 18:29.02 | jhutchins_wk | rly: If you don't like ATI products don't buy 'em. |
| 18:29.26 | rly | jhutchins_wk: the thing is: the free market doesn't provide me with anything I want. |
| 18:29.32 | Night_Elf | slash: I'd try to set it to anybody and see what happens. I don't think it is something that has to do with gnome anyhow... but you can just apt-get remove --purge gnome to remoove gnome AND the config files. |
| 18:29.33 | slash | lgp171188 remove the public key on the client |
| 18:29.53 | rly | jhutchins_wk: ATI just came most close, because they said they would open up everything, allowing free drivers to be written. |
| 18:29.59 | rly | jhutchins_wk: I doubt they actually did that in the end. |
| 18:30.15 | rly | jhutchins_wk: some free drivers have been written, but not for the parts that I care about. |
| 18:30.23 | slash | Night_Elf I have done this many times |
| 18:30.33 | rly | jhutchins_wk: so, until that time they are just a bunch of lying bastards :) |
| 18:30.37 | Night_Elf | slash: you must also check for .gnome* stuff at the home dir. They might hold settings that override the sane ones. |
| 18:30.41 | jhutchins_wk | Current X configurations assume that a dm/login manager will start and manage X sessions. |
| 18:30.42 | lgp171188 | slash: I tried that now. Still prompts me for a password for gitosis@localhost |
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| 18:31.20 | jhutchins_wk | rly: Life is unfair. |
| 18:31.34 | lgp171188 | slash: I am trying to clone the admin repo from the same machine as another user, root. |
| 18:31.40 | slash | lgp171188 use root password it generate new public key |
| 18:31.57 | rly | jhutchins_wk: well, their stockprice is going steadily to zero, so they are getting what they deserve. |
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| 18:32.27 | rly | jhutchins_wk: unfortunate for them, but they should listen to the few consumers they still have. |
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| 18:33.02 | Night_Elf | slash: I would try to see what happens if you dpkg-reconfigure x11-common and set it to Anybody. Then add a user, a fresh one, say test1. And see to start gnome using that user. You can always reset the X setting to root only and delete the user1 anytime. But you need to see what happens. |
| 18:33.06 | rly | The only reason AMD is still alive is because lots of people don't want to be dependent on only one vendor. |
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| 18:33.18 | rly | They are basically on 'life-support'. |
| 18:33.18 | lgp171188 | slash: If I give the root password when it prompts for the password of gitosis@localhost, I get a "Permission denied, please try again error", which means that the authentication is failing. |
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| 18:34.16 | slash | Night_Elf I'll try to better describe the scene from the beginning. I installed debian 5 with no graphical interface. I installed xorg, gnome and gdm manager, but does not work |
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| 18:35.34 | slash | Night_Elf I was really curious about this because I'm used to doing this type of facilities in other distros, ubuntu, fedora |
| 18:36.33 | Night_Elf | slash: normally it should work in debian too. It has worked for me all the time. |
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| 18:37.39 | slash | Ok, I'll keep trying, thank you |
| 18:37.39 | lgp171188 | slash: I had erred by generating a ssh key for the gitosis user and using that to initialize the admin repository. Now I realized my mistake and everything is working fine. Thanks for helping me. Cheers. :) |
| 18:37.41 | zykotick9 | slash: you are aware that debian 5 is very close to no-longer supported right? |
| 18:38.01 | slash | ok |
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| 18:38.12 | nvictor | hey |
| 18:38.19 | nvictor | i'm having some issues with sed |
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| 18:38.43 | Night_Elf | slash: But i can also tell you that I was once playing with monitor settings and all. I ended up with a blank screen, there was created somewhere a file monitors.xml or something which didn't allow my user to get anything X-ish. Other users were fine, newly created users were fine. |
| 18:38.48 | slash | yes, but you can install gdm normally |
| 18:38.48 | nvictor | i'm trying this file | sed s/\'\(line1|line2|line3\)\'/#\1/ |
| 18:38.59 | nvictor | the idea is to comment out a couple of lines |
| 18:39.15 | nvictor | it's failing |
| 18:40.12 | slash | Night_Elf Usually just make a copy of xorg.conf will not have problems |
| 18:40.13 | zykotick9 | nvictor: "IF" you don't get an answer here, #bash is usually really good with those sorts of issues. Good luck. |
| 18:40.54 | nvictor | ah ok thank |
| 18:40.55 | slash | Night_Elf I like working with machines alike, since resort to clones |
| 18:40.57 | nvictor | thanks |
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| 18:41.36 | slash | Night_Elf where you from? |
| 18:42.00 | Night_Elf | slash: do you have a file xorg.org ? I think it is not needed anymore. And then again, kde and gnome use the same that one, so that must not make any difference in your case. I still doubt it is a per-user related thing, in your case user "root". |
| 18:42.12 | Night_Elf | slash: Albania. |
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| 18:43.36 | slash | Yes, there are no problems with xorg, the problem is the display manager |
| 18:45.03 | Night_Elf | slash: it does not start. You could try see.... is it running and hung? Maybe some rogue instance of gdm or kdm or gdm3 (this is for debian 6 though, I think) ? |
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| 18:47.01 | zykotick9 | slash: "service gdm3 status" or "service gdm3 start" any interesting output? |
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| 18:47.37 | Night_Elf | zykotick9: debian 5 defaults to gdm I believe. Does it use gdm3 too ? |
| 18:47.45 | slash | gdm3 also tried to install, but does not work |
| 18:47.45 | slash | there is nothing hanging, because the change runlevel to single user and already rebooted the machine |
| 18:47.54 | zykotick9 | Night_Elf: debian5 is probably just gdm |
| 18:48.08 | slash | gdm3 works too |
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| 18:49.01 | slash | i'm try install with apt-get, aptitute, tasksel... |
| 18:49.24 | Night_Elf | slash: it would not hurt to do /etc/init.d/gdm stop and /etc/init.d/kdm stop You said you also have kde, the display managers could be a bit messed up. |
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| 18:50.47 | slash | Night_Elf i'm remove completelly KDM and flux |
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| 18:51.27 | slash | good, thanks for the help, I'll fix that over time and take note if they want to give back. |
| 18:51.27 | slash | the masters have messenger? |
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| 18:53.03 | Night_Elf | oh. I don't use instant messaging, but I am here most all the time (at least the username is when I leave). And most importantly, I am nowhere near being a master. By a long shot. |
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| 18:54.00 | Night_Elf | And also time for me to go home too. |
| 18:54.07 | zykotick9 | slash: you might want to check the output from "cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager" |
| 18:54.16 | rly | Is there some way to make Gnome3.2 somewhat more usable? |
| 18:54.49 | rly | I am talking about things like displaying network activity in some widget, etc. |
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| 18:55.23 | rly | Or for providing bookmarks in some more accessible location, or having an actual desktop, etc. |
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| 18:55.57 | slash | hahah... ok, thks,talk you later, bye |
| 18:56.05 | slash | thks for all |
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| 18:56.58 | jhutchins_wk | Night_Elf: The correct thing to do above would be ps ax | grep dm to determine what if anything is running. |
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| 18:58.28 | jhutchins_wk | rly: Yes, install Debian Stable. |
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| 18:59.14 | rly | jhutchins_wk: but that takes forever. |
| 18:59.22 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_wk: that answers how to make Gnome more usable, not Gnome 3.2. Good answer though :) |
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| 18:59.33 | rly | jhutchins_wk: it isn't new hardware. |
| 18:59.56 | rly | jhutchins_wk: anyway, "I do not know" or just not saying anything at all would be better. |
| 19:00.12 | nvz | need help with BCM43227 14e4:4358 wifi, I installed broadcom-sta-source and did the module assistant and built and loaded the driver but it doesn't seem to find any hardware |
| 19:00.32 | rly | It really seems that Gnome3.2 was just sponsored by MS to make it suck extra. |
| 19:00.37 | nvz | the rest of the install would go much quicker with wifi |
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| 19:01.34 | nvz | hah, well maybe not.. its pulling 1000k/sec should be done shortly.. but tips on the wifi would be nice |
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| 19:03.37 | rhenani | Hi huys |
| 19:03.44 | niman | hi im from iran i try to connect facebook.com but i cant use any ssh , ssl and vpn those not work on debian and web proxies too slow what can id o for this problem ??? |
| 19:03.56 | rhenani | I'm having troubles using kdenlive for editing videos I created using gtk-recordmydesktop |
| 19:04.28 | jelly-home | niman: does your government also block dns-based tunneling? |
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| 19:05.02 | niman | jelly-home, yes |
| 19:05.11 | rhenani | kdenlive seems to not be able to edit or interact with ogg files does some know why is this or if I have to download something missing?? |
| 19:05.39 | niman | jelly-home, block any social site and any thing you can think |
| 19:05.50 | rly | niman: how do you mean, you cannot use ssh? |
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| 19:05.59 | rly | niman: because of the regime? |
| 19:06.33 | rly | niman: so, pay some hacker over there to build a proxy which works around it. |
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| 19:06.51 | niman | rly, yes ssh dont work yes my goverment for some problem with other country and USA blocket any social network |
| 19:07.04 | rly | niman: because, as long as you can read and write only one byte outside of it, they cannot block it in general. |
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| 19:07.23 | rly | niman: but they might shoot you (I have no experience in that area) |
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| 19:07.52 | niman | rly, now what i can i do :(( ? |
| 19:08.32 | rly | niman: you get an anonymous credit card and you use that to pay for a proxy service. |
| 19:08.54 | rly | niman: for that proxy service you then write a server which read and writes at some public location. |
| 19:09.11 | rly | niman: then you connect to that public location if you want to 'browse'. |
| 19:09.13 | rly | niman: simple. |
| 19:09.31 | rly | niman: it will, however, be quite slow, depending on what kind of bandwidth you have. |
| 19:09.31 | niman | rly, i have server in germany and i run ssh server but for 2 weeks any proxy in iran not work |
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| 19:09.55 | rly | niman: they likely filter based on some algorithmic patterns. |
| 19:10.18 | rly | niman: so, all you need to do is write a program which creates algorithmic patterns of the right complexity.\ |
| 19:10.39 | rly | niman: for example, I doubt that the message "HELLO WORLD ISN'T THAT COOL" will be blocked. |
| 19:10.41 | nvz | hmm seems the driver source from wheezy has my pciid in it.. will try that |
| 19:10.50 | rly | niman: just like you can communicate over IRC> |
| 19:11.06 | rly | niman: really, if you can do IRC, you can everything, if you cared about it enough. |
| 19:11.16 | rly | you can do everything* |
| 19:11.59 | rly | niman: automatically creating protocols that work around any restrictions is something well within the realm of the possible today. |
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| 19:12.24 | niman | rly, :D yes i know but facebook better way to communicate with my family outside of our country |
| 19:12.26 | rly | That is why 'closing ports' is such a complete waste of time if you are defending against real enemies. |
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| 19:13.23 | rly | Now, if you only communicate with one IP address, that's a little bit of security, but digging up a cable in the middle of the night also isn't a problem for a decent adversary. |
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| 19:14.23 | rly | niman: so, the only way to get around your limitations is to learn some programming. |
| 19:14.55 | rly | niman: and if you have no time to learn those, perhaps some friendly government would want to accept you if you move there. |
| 19:14.56 | niman | rly, what programming ? i know some python |
| 19:15.08 | zykotick9 | rly: niman the issue is not really "debian" related. |
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| 19:16.10 | rly | niman: I just explained several things which might accomplish what you want. It is now your task to either send a shitload of money to some developer in your country (cannot be EU/US, because that is illegal) or to just accept the way of life there. |
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| 19:16.42 | rly | (or program it yourself) |
| 19:16.53 | rly | niman: you can better just use Freenet if you want those things. |
| 19:16.59 | rly | niman: or I2P. |
| 19:17.11 | rly | niman: or perhaps Tor even works (I doubt it). |
| 19:17.44 | niman | rly, :D yea we just leave this shit country we have a developer in our team |
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| 19:18.05 | niman | rly, gnu developer |
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| 19:18.41 | niman | rly, lxsameer member of gnu developer |
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| 19:19.19 | niman | rly, we make channel and i invite you to our channel #5hit :D |
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| 19:19.44 | niman | rly, but we cant find a way for pass the limits |
| 19:19.47 | niman | :(( |
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| 19:21.27 | abdelkhalak | is there a way to bypass limits of mounting iso images? Lenny allows a maximum of 7 cd images only |
| 19:21.41 | peterhil | niman, rly: I was also just about to suggest using Tor. |
| 19:21.46 | GNU\colossus | abdelkhalak, create more loop devices, I guess |
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| 19:35.54 | Morpheme | hi |
| 19:36.12 | Morpheme | i need to share my printer from Debian Squeeze to Windows XP, any good how to? |
| 19:37.02 | simonlnu | cups |
| 19:37.37 | ChibaPet | Samba I'd think... Will CUPS do the right thing by itself? |
| 19:38.03 | Morpheme | i don't find new guides about it |
| 19:39.41 | devil | no need - xp isn't new either :) |
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| 19:41.02 | Morpheme | so? |
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| 19:44.07 | simonlnu | i don't see why samba needs to get involved |
| 19:44.32 | Morpheme | found that http://dev.shyd.de/2011/03/debian-printserver-scanserver-hplip-cups-sane/ |
| 19:44.55 | Morpheme | in this guise is so easy.... |
| 19:44.58 | Morpheme | no samba.. |
| 19:45.10 | devil | Morpheme: cups is running on port 631. Install a printer and point your xp to look for it on this port at your debian box |
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| 19:45.28 | Morpheme | i'll try |
| 19:45.40 | simonlnu | localhost:631 |
| 19:45.46 | simonlnu | by default |
| 19:45.55 | Bublik2002 | whats the correct way to install a .deb file? |
| 19:46.01 | devil | just make sure that it uses the external interface as well |
| 19:46.08 | devil | apt-get install cups |
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| 19:46.14 | simonlnu | Bublik2002: man dpkg |
| 19:46.32 | Bublik2002 | sudo dpkg -i? |
| 19:47.02 | Owner_ | what would be backed up in a minimal backup script? |
| 19:47.13 | Morpheme | uhm i'm wiping one hard disk with "dd if=/dev/zero of/dev/sdc" |
| 19:47.24 | simonlnu | Bublik2002: yes |
| 19:47.31 | Bublik2002 | ty |
| 19:47.42 | Morpheme | i used "kill -SIGUSR1 pid" for the status and.. ..... "12,2 MB/s" |
| 19:47.43 | simonlnu | Bublik2002: and one or more .debs after |
| 19:47.50 | Morpheme | so slow.... is that hard disk broken? |
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| 19:47.57 | jelly-home | Morpheme: use a larger bs. |
| 19:48.15 | jelly-home | Morpheme: bs=1M will do fine |
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| 19:49.16 | Morpheme | 41 mb/s wtf |
| 19:49.17 | Morpheme | thanks!??! |
| 19:49.32 | jelly-home | you're welcome?!?!? |
| 19:49.37 | Morpheme | :D |
| 19:49.42 | simonlnu | hehe |
| 19:50.00 | Morpheme | i'm wiping the hard disk for my future print server :p |
| 19:50.14 | Bublik2002 | has anyone tried to install nuvola player? im having some dependency issues in squeeze |
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| 19:51.32 | Morpheme | what is the default bs of dd? |
| 19:51.38 | Bublik2002 | simonlnu: http://paste.debian.net/151155/ can you look at that for a sec and help me out please... im very new to debian |
| 19:52.43 | simonlnu | #1: don't mix debian versions. you break things. |
| 19:53.16 | Bublik2002 | what do you mean by mixing debian versions? |
| 19:53.22 | eevo | Morpheme: 512, according to the manpage |
| 19:53.48 | simonlnu | #2: if that third-party doesn't have a version for squeeze, ask them to make one. #3: don't blindly install third-party .debs. |
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| 19:54.21 | jelly-home | Morpheme: it looks at the device block size I think, which makes it use bs=512 for most disks |
| 19:55.00 | ondrejk | hi, i'm looking for solution which will help me to update multiple debian based system at one time, i just found apt-dater. Do you have any experiences with this? Or what do you use for this purpose? |
| 19:55.34 | jelly-home | Morpheme: did you know that disks these days often can be told a single ATA command that says "wipe yourself" and they go and do it |
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| 19:55.55 | jelly-home | Morpheme: takes a bit less CPU usage |
| 19:56.08 | Morpheme | uhm? how? |
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| 19:56.30 | jelly-home | man hdparm, search for security.erase |
| 19:57.41 | delvalle26 | will aircrack-ng be coming to sid anytime soon? |
| 19:57.51 | Bublik2002 | thats a bummer.. nuvola player is only for mint/ubuntu/fedora :( |
| 19:59.56 | daemonkeeper | There is an ongoing integration process into Debian. |
| 20:00.08 | daemonkeeper | ref. <CAJu1QtGJJrQctS1n-b25bmFGUjwcR+OuCWQtA69qOUDLuoUE0A@mail.gmail.com> |
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| 20:00.49 | daemonkeeper | !aircrack-ng |
| 20:00.49 | dpkg | aircrack-ng is a suite of <WEP> and <WPA> cracking utilities forked from aircrack. Not part of the Squeeze release due to Debian bug #605519, removed from Debian to resolve bug #642934. http://aircrack-ng.org/doku?id=faq http://aircrack-ng.org/ #aircack-ng on irc.freenode.net. See also <pyrit>, <weplab>. |
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| 20:02.24 | rabbit | Hi all. I am having problems getting lm_sensors to work on a newer dell poweredge. I must not have the proper mod loaded. Can anyone point me in the right direction? |
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| 20:03.45 | simonlnu | Bublik2002: debian versions means stable, testing, unstable. not different distros. |
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| 20:04.02 | Bublik2002 | i understand |
| 20:04.10 | Bublik2002 | im just saying they dont have a version for debian :( |
| 20:04.34 | daemonkeeper | As I said, there is a RFS request, which means a package is already there. |
| 20:04.43 | daemonkeeper | It is not available to you yet though. |
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| 20:04.49 | delvalle26 | daemonkeeper: thank you |
| 20:04.52 | simonlnu | Bublik2002: that would help yes |
| 20:05.24 | daemonkeeper | http://mentors.debian.net/package/nuvolaplayer |
| 20:05.48 | simonlnu | well there ya go |
| 20:05.53 | simonlnu | Bublik2002: ^^^^ |
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| 20:06.45 | daemonkeeper | These packages should /NOT/ be used by end users though. |
| 20:06.55 | daemonkeeper | They are of unknown quality. |
| 20:07.21 | Bublik2002 | ok :( |
| 20:08.35 | simonlnu | i.e., you takes your chanceses |
| 20:08.51 | simonlnu | (yes that was intentional ;) |
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| 20:20.20 | Morpheme | ok, i'm trying with hdpar.. |
| 20:20.37 | Morpheme | "INFO: task hdparm:pid blocked for more than 120 seconds" kernel message |
| 20:20.50 | Morpheme | but i think he is wiping, the hd light is red always |
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| 20:22.23 | jelly-home | it won't get unstuck until it's finished |
| 20:22.32 | GNU\colossus | yeah, that's normal |
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| 20:22.53 | jelly-home | the drive stopped responding to any stimuli for obvious raisins |
| 20:23.19 | pkout | exit |
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| 20:27.00 | Sickness\ | jelly-home |
| 20:27.01 | Sickness\ | http://i40.tinypic.com/ohmr83.jpg |
| 20:28.04 | jelly-home | they do look rather Sick |
| 20:28.20 | Sickness\ | but they are obvious raisins! |
| 20:28.28 | jelly-home | obviously |
| 20:28.38 | Sickness\ | they do look kinda rotten though |
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| 20:28.42 | Sickness\ | but thats how wikipedia shows them |
| 20:29.01 | jelly-home | they must have some sick raisins for that |
| 20:29.02 | devil | ha ha |
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| 20:30.40 | simonlnu | jelly-home: an afk-ball |
| 20:30.40 | Morpheme | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:32.09 | jelly-home | Morpheme: how small is that disk |
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| 20:32.55 | Morpheme | 80gb |
| 20:33.01 | jelly-home | the time taking for ata security erase should be similar to dd, they basically do the same thing |
| 20:33.06 | Morpheme | partitions time |
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| 20:33.29 | jelly-home | it's just that the disks' firmware does it on its own |
| 20:33.46 | Morpheme | yes, with no data transfer is more fast |
| 20:33.54 | Morpheme | 512 mb ram... 1gb swap?? |
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| 20:34.06 | jelly-home | Morpheme: sure |
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| 20:34.17 | Morpheme | 100mb /boot; 5gb /; 1gb /home |
| 20:34.28 | Morpheme | or? ;D |
| 20:34.34 | jelly-home | forget about separate / and home and boot on that small disk |
| 20:34.51 | Morpheme | why? |
| 20:34.53 | Morpheme | :D |
| 20:34.58 | jelly-home | it's useless |
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| 20:35.14 | Morpheme | why!! |
| 20:35.47 | Morpheme | i want the free space for a dm-crypt partition |
| 20:35.52 | jelly-home | tune it the other way around. Why do you think splitting a small disk into smaller slices would be USEFUL |
| 20:36.14 | jelly-home | oh, that's one exception |
| 20:36.15 | Morpheme | uhm |
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| 20:36.35 | Morpheme | usually when i need to mount only the home by one other hd |
| 20:36.36 | jelly-home | you can still have just a /boot and the rest for lvm and dm-crypt or not |
| 20:36.55 | Morpheme | lvm? :p |
| 20:37.01 | jelly-home | lvm. |
| 20:37.01 | Morpheme | never used it |
| 20:37.11 | Morpheme | i don't is useless for me now |
| 20:37.19 | jelly-home | what, you do dm-crype directly on a partition? |
| 20:37.22 | Morpheme | *i think is |
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| 20:37.27 | Morpheme | ..... |
| 20:37.28 | jelly-home | cripes. |
| 20:37.29 | Morpheme | yes... why?.... |
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| 20:37.37 | Morpheme | omg, whY? ='( |
| 20:37.41 | jelly-home | just asking |
| 20:37.48 | jelly-home | THIS TIME |
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| 20:37.59 | Morpheme | i can do everything, free hd |
| 20:38.02 | davidgul | hello i try to run |
| 20:38.04 | Morpheme | i can have fun with it D |
| 20:38.05 | Morpheme | DX |
| 20:38.19 | Morpheme | i need to set up a debian as print server / other things |
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| 20:38.38 | davidgul | error |
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| 20:39.57 | davidgul | my question is how can i run synaptic from a regular user i try sudo and su and it dosent work it gave me the same error some thing with GDK |
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| 20:41.32 | doxtor | Can anyone help me? I've followed "Migrating a live system from ext3 to ext4 filesystem" and am now stuck in initramfs, unable to boot. It says ext4dev not found in modules.dep. I added ext4dev to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and set modules=dep in initramfs.conf to no avail. |
| 20:41.36 | Morpheme | i thinks the advantage to use lvm over luks is to unlock more partitions with one password.. jelly-home |
| 20:42.22 | babilen | doxtor: Ran "update-initramfs -u" ? |
| 20:42.51 | doxtor | babilen: not yet, do I need to chroot for that? |
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| 20:43.19 | babilen | doxtor: yes |
| 20:44.25 | Morpheme | advantage of using lvm on one hard disk 80gb guys??? |
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| 20:45.17 | xetocalf | extending your filesystem the larger disk |
| 20:45.35 | threadlock | or adding disks to the pool |
| 20:45.38 | xetocalf | ..which is probably faster and SATA |
| 20:45.45 | threadlock | to extend volumes over several disks |
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| 20:46.07 | Morpheme | i don't need that |
| 20:46.11 | Morpheme | i'll use it as print server.. |
| 20:46.13 | Morpheme | i'll never add hd |
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| 20:46.48 | Morpheme | and if i add an hard disk i can mount it in /mnt/whatiwant.. |
| 20:48.16 | Morpheme | i'll separate boot, root and home.. so.. is better with lvm or with normal partitions? |
| 20:48.56 | thewanderer1 | likes LVM because he can easily assign labels that are FS-agnostic |
| 20:49.09 | mjt | out of curiocity.. why people separate /boot ? |
| 20:49.14 | mjt | if / is not on lvm |
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| 20:49.38 | thewanderer1 | to share it with other OSes if needed, I guess? |
| 20:49.45 | mjt | boot? |
| 20:49.59 | Morpheme | or use an encrypted root |
| 20:50.27 | thewanderer1 | mjt, yes, boot, like you put multiple Debian and Ubuntu kernel images on that and they coexist |
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| 20:50.54 | Morpheme | now, why ppl use lvm on single hd? :) |
| 20:51.09 | mjt | you can chain-load the bootloaders at will. and it isn't a very common setup to have tons of linuxes on one system |
| 20:51.26 | thewanderer1 | Morpheme, I use it for VM storage and I often create and delete virtual machines, so I need flexibility |
| 20:51.41 | doxtor | babilen: I did chroot and ran the command and says /dev/sda2 no such file or directory after generating /boot/initrd.img... |
| 20:51.43 | mjt | as of encrypted root, be it lvm (dm) or cryptoloop, that's about the same thing - i mean if / is not on some additional layer |
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| 20:52.23 | Morpheme | mjt, just for share your boot with your others Linux |
| 20:53.22 | Morpheme | guys, lvm write in random order on hd? |
| 20:53.53 | Morpheme | if i create 2 partitions, and leave free space |
| 20:54.03 | Morpheme | and i resize the first parttition for get more bigger? |
| 20:54.17 | Morpheme | the first partition use the free space after the second partition no? |
| 20:54.20 | thewanderer1 | I think LVM can allocate fragmented partitions just fine |
| 20:54.39 | Morpheme | so i can use lvm just for don' care about size of my partitions |
| 20:54.54 | mjt | but it allocates in large chunks so the fragmentation isn't really that bad |
| 20:54.57 | Morpheme | if in future my / will be too small, i can resize it |
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| 20:56.45 | Morpheme | and what about dm-crypt partitions over a lvm over a dm-crypt partition? lol |
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| 20:58.18 | nsadmin | Morpheme, all depends... how horribly painful do you want to feel as things get slower and slower? |
| 20:58.26 | Morpheme | LOL |
| 20:58.28 | Morpheme | uhm |
| 20:58.32 | Morpheme | the swap partition out or in the lvm? |
| 20:58.55 | Morpheme | i create a logical partition 100mb for boot ad now all free space in one partition for lvm, logical too |
| 20:59.07 | ChrisH | is a LVM fan and uses it over md and if needed over dmcrypt |
| 20:59.08 | nsadmin | the swap partition stored in an array of rocks moved by aboriginies |
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| 21:00.21 | nsadmin | hmm, you should be able to boot that with grub2... yes? can you boot? |
| 21:00.47 | Morpheme | i don't know |
| 21:00.50 | Morpheme | now i have |
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| 21:01.23 | Morpheme | sda5 Logical Linux 100mb; sda6 Logical Linux 78gb; sda7 Logical Linux swap/solaris 1028mb |
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| 21:02.44 | Morpheme | i can go on? :D |
| 21:02.45 | nsadmin | so sda6 is what now? formatted ext3? |
| 21:03.10 | Morpheme | lvm!! |
| 21:03.23 | nsadmin | so you made it by pvcreate |
| 21:03.36 | ChrisH | I put /boot on a partion or an md volume. |
| 21:04.35 | Morpheme | yes |
| 21:04.48 | Morpheme | like i said |
| 21:04.53 | Morpheme | sda5 Logical Linux 100mb; sda6 Logical Linux 78gb; sda7 Logical Linux swap/solaris 1028mb |
| 21:05.04 | Morpheme | sda5 /boot; sda6 lvm(everything; sda6 swap |
| 21:05.09 | Morpheme | (all logic partitions) |
| 21:05.27 | ChrisH | You can put swap into LVM, too. |
| 21:06.19 | Morpheme | oh, ok |
| 21:06.34 | Morpheme | and is good 2 logic partition? 1 boot 1 lvm? |
| 21:06.34 | Morpheme | or? |
| 21:06.57 | nsadmin | well I haven't tried that particular combination |
| 21:07.18 | Morpheme | lol i jsut need an only lvm partition |
| 21:07.27 | Morpheme | sounds normal |
| 21:07.40 | nsadmin | I'd either have / as a primary or /boot (only if /boot separate) |
| 21:08.05 | ChrisH | one partion for /boot and the LVM for the rest |
| 21:08.07 | Morpheme | so, 1 primary partition for boot, and one for lvm? |
| 21:08.14 | Morpheme | chrish, primary? |
| 21:08.23 | nsadmin | if I would ever want to resize /, then I'd have a separate /boot |
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| 21:09.20 | Morpheme | ok now... |
| 21:09.36 | Morpheme | sda 1 boot Primary Linux 98mb; sda2 Primary Linux 80gb; |
| 21:10.21 | nsadmin | one typical way is /boot in a primary and near the start of the drive (within first 1024 cyls), maybe separate swap partition (primary will be a bit faster), then lvm in either a primary or logical |
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| 21:10.56 | ChrisH | Morpheme: I needed to check the current Laptop installation. /boot is not needed to be primary I have it on sda5. Current BIOS do no longer have issues. |
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| 21:13.26 | ghostlines | hi all, I'm installing Squeeze now, I should just use the ext4 format or isn't it stable enough yet? |
| 21:13.35 | nsadmin | took em long enough to fix that :P it's been at least 15 years :P |
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| 21:14.31 | nsadmin | ghostlines, check postings by Torvalds; I don't think he likes extAnything any more |
| 21:14.43 | mjt | nsadmin: 2008 wasn't 15 years ago |
| 21:15.00 | valerie | can I connect an ipod to debian machine - have some mp3 files to transfer - as a matter of fact I do not know if ipod even reads mp3 |
| 21:15.02 | ChrisH | I never checked, what happens with an /boot inside LVM. |
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| 21:15.16 | nsadmin | mjt, that's when the issue first showed up? |
| 21:15.22 | ghostlines | nsadmin, thanks will do |
| 21:15.26 | mjt | ChrisH: /boot is created _outside_ lvm |
| 21:16.00 | nsadmin | mjt, and in 2008 what are you saying happened? |
| 21:16.14 | mjt | nsadmin: no, when it were marked stable. It first appeared in 2.6.19 which went out Nov-2006. Still far from 15 years |
| 21:16.18 | ChrisH | I wanted to test what happens if I force /boot into LVM... its VirtualBox time :) |
| 21:16.30 | mjt | ChrisH: you wont be able to boot, that's all |
| 21:16.50 | nsadmin | I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing yet |
| 21:17.13 | mjt | nsadmin: if you refer to whole ext* thing, it is more than 15 |
| 21:18.12 | nsadmin | no, was referring to the bios and boot limit to 1024 cyls |
| 21:18.12 | mjt | nsadmin: here's the announce: https://lkml.org/lkml/2006/6/28/454 |
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| 21:18.33 | mjt | heh |
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| 21:19.16 | stevieman | has anyone setup a dante socks server before? I am getting a connection refused message and I'm finding it hard to find a solution. |
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| 21:19.30 | stevieman | or even proper trouble shooting |
| 21:19.43 | nsadmin | stevieman, start by finding problem |
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| 21:19.49 | nsadmin | then solve THAT problem |
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| 21:20.13 | mjt | a troubleshooting of any network-related issue is started by checking if it listens on the port it is supposed to listen |
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| 21:21.10 | stevieman | nsadmin: I can't find the problem. The Dante log sys there are no issues, Netstat shows it listening on 127 but not on the actual IP of the machine. |
| 21:21.17 | nsadmin | mjt, well, network issue related to a server which uses tcp or udp |
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| 21:21.44 | nsadmin | stevieman, what IP is it listening on? |
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| 21:21.54 | mjt | nsadmin: i'm not sure if stevieman wants to read this discussion :) |
| 21:22.07 | Morpheme | what filesystem for /boot? ext2 or ext3? |
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| 21:22.19 | mjt | any will do |
| 21:22.22 | bambanx | hello guys , how i can see the icon on the top rigth panel of my wireles signals ? |
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| 21:22.40 | mjt | bambanx: top right panel of what? |
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| 21:22.51 | ChrisH | uses ext3 or ext4 |
| 21:22.53 | tdrusk | bambanx: try running nm-applet |
| 21:22.57 | mjt | bambanx: there are like a dozen or so different panels available in debian |
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| 21:23.07 | stevieman | nsadmin: internal: 127.0.0.1 port = 1080 and external is the actual IP of the box |
| 21:23.17 | bambanx | nm-applet |
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| 21:23.43 | bambanx | i mean the default icon of wifi signals |
| 21:23.56 | ChrisH | stevieman: can you prove that by running lsof -p PID ? |
| 21:23.57 | nsadmin | stevieman, and the ip the server daemon is listening on is? |
| 21:24.14 | zykotick9 | bambanx: FYI debian doesn't install n-m by default |
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| 21:24.20 | mjt | bambanx: in kde it is one thing, in gnome it is another, in lxde it is 3rd etc |
| 21:24.32 | bambanx | for gnome |
| 21:24.48 | bambanx | i am connected now but i cannot see the signals |
| 21:25.02 | balboah | Just tried installing linux 3.1.7 on squeeze, failed booting with "Unable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0)" Ideas? |
| 21:25.17 | nsadmin | stevieman, if it's bound to 127.0.0.1 no other machine can access that |
| 21:25.35 | ChrisH | balboah: At my test, the initrd was missing |
| 21:25.39 | zykotick9 | bambanx: do you have network-manager-gnome installed? |
| 21:25.59 | bambanx | zykotick9, lemme check |
| 21:26.48 | ChrisH | balboah: to be more precise, it was missing in grub, not on the Filesystem. |
| 21:27.28 | stevieman | nsadmin: well look at that |
| 21:27.42 | bambanx | zykotick9, yes is installed i have a icon but it only show me a option for configurate vpn |
| 21:27.59 | balboah | ChrisH: ah. actually, I can only find initrd.img-2.6 in /boot, might be missing it alltogether |
| 21:28.11 | stevieman | nsadmin: Thanks, I kept over looking that |
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| 21:28.20 | zykotick9 | bambanx: perhaps your wireless card isn't detected/installed then |
| 21:28.21 | nsadmin | stevieman, didn't you already? you looked at the logs, right? and they did tell you which IP it's binding to? |
| 21:28.43 | balboah | ChrisH: and yeah no entry in grub about that |
| 21:28.52 | bambanx | zykotick9, buti am connected with it |
| 21:28.58 | kggle_ | hey, i have a csv file in ansi, i have to parse them through php and it takes the default locale. so i have to install ansi first. how to do that? thanks! |
| 21:29.08 | nsadmin | oic, you found the problem? |
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| 21:29.16 | zykotick9 | bambanx: well i can't explain that one - good luck |
| 21:29.23 | stevieman | nsadmin: I didn't see the IP binding in the logs. I'm not saying it wasnt there |
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| 21:30.08 | nsadmin | you might be able to see what's listening on what port by looking at output of netstat -a |
| 21:30.15 | nsadmin | or netstat -an |
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| 21:31.45 | stevieman | nsadmin: I did see that in netstat but I did't understand that the internal needed to be the same and the external all the setups samples showed 127. I got to focused and didnt look at the basics |
| 21:31.51 | bambanx | zykotick9, i install wireless radar and it show me signals =) thanks |
| 21:32.38 | nsadmin | oh, ok... so you're past that now? |
| 21:33.16 | stevieman | nsadmin: I assumed the internal designation meant the internal IP, not the incoming IP if that makes any sense |
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| 21:34.48 | nsadmin | oh ok... stick around if you have more questions |
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| 21:35.48 | nsadmin | one way to test a server which uses tcp connections... telnet localhost (its port) |
| 21:36.23 | stevieman | nsadmin: Well thank you very much |
| 21:36.32 | nsadmin | if that says connection refused then you know nothing's listening on that port of localhost |
| 21:36.43 | kggle_ | any way to get the windows ansi locale on my headless debian? |
| 21:38.13 | ChrisH | What is the Windows ANSI locale? I never heard that before. I know windows codepages |
| 21:39.17 | ghostlines | What is in the laptop package after tasksel runs during install? |
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| 21:40.02 | doxtor | babilen: Thank you, it worked! |
| 21:40.28 | nkuttler | ghostlines: apt-cache show task-<tab><tab> |
| 21:40.29 | doxtor | babilen: But I had to put down "ext4" instead of "ext4dev" |
| 21:40.50 | kggle_ | ChrisH, i have a csv file, if i import it into e.g. MS Excel if have to select "Windows (ANSI)" that the chars are shown exactly |
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| 21:40.56 | ghostlines | hmm can't do that in the installer can I? |
| 21:41.10 | nkuttler | ghostlines: well then just tast-laptop |
| 21:41.19 | simonlnu | task* |
| 21:41.24 | nkuttler | right |
| 21:41.28 | simonlnu | :) |
| 21:41.35 | ghostlines | ok thx |
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| 21:42.32 | ChrisH | kggle_: does file FILE.csv shows any hint on the locale? |
| 21:43.01 | kggle_ | ChrisH, no |
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| 21:44.22 | ChrisH | kggle_: I am sorry. The question is now: How to find the locale used to write the file. |
| 21:44.31 | kggle_ | Ok |
| 21:45.15 | Morpheme | uhm where i need to tell debian to open a lvm group at boot? |
| 21:45.26 | Morpheme | i have all /dev/mapper/name-name in fstab |
| 21:45.28 | Morpheme | and now? |
| 21:45.50 | Owner_ | LRN2ENGLISH |
| 21:46.15 | ChrisH | If you do it with the installer, it happens automagically. I never needed to do it manually. |
| 21:46.34 | Owner_ | ive done it manually and fstab was all i needed |
| 21:46.49 | simonlnu | Morpheme: the installer installs the lvm2 stuff for you if you set it up, so dunno what's up with that. |
| 21:47.02 | zykotick9 | ghostlines: i couldn't get nkuttler's suggestion to work. Using "tasksel --task-packages laptop" does however. |
| 21:47.05 | Morpheme | i don't use the debian installer |
| 21:47.16 | Owner_ | Morpheme| #lvm |
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| 21:48.16 | koshieDaGaymeuz | Hello, that is possible to run a game like sauerbraten on one of my two screen ? Also I want to move my cursor out of the sauerbraten screen to, for example, speak on IRC / Jabber etc... |
| 21:48.35 | ghostlines | zykotick9, I already skipped that part, but will check it out once the system is installed |
| 21:49.03 | ghostlines | in theory if I already have a boot loader I don't have to install grub or lilo right? |
| 21:49.08 | simonlnu | !lvm |
| 21:49.08 | dpkg | [lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:49.20 | simonlnu | bah |
| 21:49.40 | nsadmin | ghostlines, depends what the existing boot loader can boot |
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| 21:49.55 | simonlnu | Morpheme: aptitude install lvm2 |
| 21:49.58 | zykotick9 | koshieDaGaymeuz: the second your mouse can leave the game window, that game isn't going to work right. Especially for FPS games. |
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| 21:50.42 | simonlnu | heh. unless you hit esc |
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| 21:51.52 | ghostlines | nsadmin, true and you can't have any multiple boot loaders on different partitions that's just nuts right? |
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| 21:52.31 | nsadmin | you can |
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| 21:52.40 | ghostlines | shit man, I wanted to hear no! |
| 21:52.51 | nsadmin | oh, ok |
| 21:52.51 | nsadmin | no |
| 21:53.06 | koshieDaGaymeuz | zykotick9: er :/ |
| 21:53.16 | zykotick9 | koshieDaGaymeuz: re: dual-head issue - i've perviously setup Xorg to automatically disable one monitor, when a certain resolution is requested, but that disables the other monitor - it's blank |
| 21:54.06 | koshieDaGaymeuz | zykotick9: When I'm launching Sauerbraten the little screen become black (no problem here) but when I'm leaving the game it's always black. I've to manually activated the other. |
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| 21:55.00 | streuner_ | Sauerbraten, what a name :-) |
| 21:55.03 | ghostlines | nsadmin, I'm installing squeeze on my mac mini, and I currently use refit as my boot loader. When I chose to continue without boot loader it said I have to pick the right partition and pass an argument |
| 21:55.16 | koshieDaGaymeuz | streuner_: also called Cube 2 |
| 21:55.19 | koshieDaGaymeuz | But I prefer Sauerbraten :D |
| 21:55.41 | koshieDaGaymeuz | (it's a very funny and speed FPS with very good metal music included in the games, the iCTF mode is very funny) |
| 21:55.58 | ghostlines | nsadmin, maybe refit can't pass the right argument, would I be safer just installing another the grub boot loader on the root partition but not the MBR? |
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| 21:56.39 | streuner_ | koshieDaGaymeuz: you would otherwise, if you are german ;-) |
| 21:56.47 | streuner_ | koshieDaGaymeuz: think* |
| 21:57.25 | nsadmin | ghostlines, what part of the system is asking you to pick a partition? |
| 21:58.14 | ChrisH | prefers Sauerbraten on the plate instead of apt-get'ing it |
| 21:58.38 | koshieDaGaymeuz | streuner_: I'm french. |
| 21:59.28 | ghostlines | nsadmin, the squeeze installer, well that was one of the options, I could skip it and gamble that refit can boot it as well I think it can |
| 22:00.31 | streuner_ | koshieDaGaymeuz: unfortunaltly is doesnt exist in french, but read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauerbraten |
| 22:00.48 | nsadmin | brb |
| 22:01.10 | koshieDaGaymeuz | ahah |
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| 22:02.21 | Morpheme | wow first boot and |
| 22:02.25 | Morpheme | why that Welcoe to GRUB infinite XD |
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| 22:03.20 | simonlnu | ChrisH: same here |
| 22:03.39 | simonlnu | sauerkraut too |
| 22:04.14 | streuner_ | well, its typical german :-) |
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| 22:04.21 | koshieDaGaymeuz | streuner_: that's good ? |
| 22:04.29 | streuner_ | koshieDaGaymeuz: sure |
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| 22:04.35 | simonlnu | loves sauerkraut mmm |
| 22:04.43 | ghostlines | nsadmin, thanks for the help, I skipped installing the grub boot loader and after installation my refit boot loader isn't seeing the debian partition. Oh well tomorrow is another day! |
| 22:04.53 | streuner_ | koshieDaGaymeuz: Sauerbraten from Bassermann is really tasty ;-) |
| 22:05.36 | nsadmin | yes... |
| 22:05.48 | nsadmin | as a matter of fact, tommorow IS another day! |
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| 22:06.11 | streuner_ | koshieDaGaymeuz: http://www.lebensmittel.de/productpics/w_400/h_400/31010010.jpg |
| 22:06.39 | ghostlines | yes sir, gonna hit the hay got graveyard shit tomorrow, and spent all this time not getting it to work :), laters |
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| 22:07.19 | koshieDaGaymeuz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierogi streuner_ ♥ |
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| 22:08.57 | jhutchins_wk | nsadmin: It's been a couple of years but refit may need some of ghost in order to load linux. iirc it's the only practical way to dual-boot Linux & OSX, but if ghostlines was only running linux on apple hardware he could just use grub. |
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| 22:09.11 | simonlnu | koshieDaGaymeuz: streuner_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pemmican <3 |
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| 22:10.13 | dioz | how could a dude make a shell user only able to use a specific ipv6 address? |
| 22:10.24 | streuner_ | omg, bison meat |
| 22:10.31 | dioz | bison is good |
| 22:10.45 | streuner_ | well, for germans rather unusual... |
| 22:11.09 | acu | debian wheezy from today cannot install GRUB - is any place to announce people responsible for it ? |
| 22:11.23 | simonlnu | bison, or moose, with cranberries and/or blueberries... but enough OT || i'm taking it to #debian-offtopic |
| 22:11.25 | jhutchins_wk | I'll bet you could make saurbraten with pork instead of veal. |
| 22:11.35 | dioz | pork is nasty |
| 22:12.21 | jhutchins_wk | acu: what are you trying to do, how are you trying to do it, and what is the result you're getting? |
| 22:12.33 | streuner_ | jhutchins_wk: beef |
| 22:12.48 | streuner_ | jhutchins_wk: Sauerbraten is beef |
| 22:12.49 | jhutchins_wk | streuner_: Instead of veal? |
| 22:12.57 | jhutchins_wk | brat = veal |
| 22:13.13 | jhutchins_wk | Young (usually make) beef. |
| 22:13.22 | jhutchins_wk | s/make/male/ |
| 22:13.25 | streuner_ | jhutchins_wk: nah, Sauerbraten is nver veal |
| 22:13.29 | streuner_ | never* |
| 22:13.39 | acu | jhutchins_wk, I just install debian - and at GRUB install stage - I got a nice RED screen - GRUB cannot be installed - http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 22:13.47 | tekzilla | braten (german) = to fry or fried meat |
| 22:14.11 | tekzilla | sauerbraten rules btw ;) |
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| 22:15.25 | simonlnu | daily build.... well, get one that works then. |
| 22:15.50 | streuner_ | jhutchins_wk: if you want Sauerbraten you want the typical taste of beef... |
| 22:15.50 | jhutchins_wk | interesting. That's what I get for keeping unused German in my brain for forty years. |
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| 22:16.22 | babilen | streuner_: ... and if you want to discuss this further take it to #debian-offtopic or somewhere else. |
| 22:16.36 | jhutchins_wk | acu:Anything interesting about the device you're installing it on? |
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| 22:18.23 | jhutchins_wk | So bratwurst is just fried sausage (or sausage for frying). |
| 22:18.26 | acu | jhutchins_wk, it is a HP Phenom Quad Core Laptop (Pavillion G-7) with ATI card - I had installed previously Wheezy in it - some glitches were on the VGA drivers- some of the menu dropdown were skewed - anyhow - I decided to install again - and got this GRUB lock |
| 22:18.34 | jhutchins_wk | Sorry, wrong tab. |
| 22:18.47 | dioz | how can i modify a shell environment to only use a specific ip address |
| 22:19.36 | jhutchins_wk | acu: You can try using the new medium as a rescue disk - there should be a fix grub option, or you can try an older disk that worked. Need to figure out if it's the installer or grub-install that's at fault. |
| 22:19.44 | dioz | i'm not even sure how to ask this question |
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| 22:20.12 | jhutchins_wk | dioz: Shells don't use IP addresses, so... |
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| 22:20.38 | simonlnu | scratches his head on that one |
| 22:20.45 | dioz | i want to make it to individual users can only use, for example, a ipv6 address i have specified for them |
| 22:21.05 | babilen | dioz: You can route differently by user with iptables. (Can't talk you through this) |
| 22:21.16 | dioz | well there's a start at least |
| 22:21.19 | dioz | kind of what i was looking for |
| 22:21.21 | dioz | thnx |
| 22:21.25 | iderik | Ive been trying to install Mumble (Voice communication) but it says "Broken package" when i run "sudo apt-get install mumble". It also gives me broken dependencies |
| 22:21.31 | simonlnu | that's more reasonable =) |
| 22:21.46 | mjt | how to insert content of another file into current position in vim? |
| 22:21.53 | streuner_ | judd, versions mumble |
| 22:21.59 | judd | Package: mumble on i386 -- lenny: 1.1.4-4+lenny2; lenny-backports: 1.1.8-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.2.2-6; sid: 1.2.3-2+b2; wheezy: 1.2.3-2+b2; experimental: 1.2.3-192-g683d39b-1 |
| 22:22.13 | acu | jhutchins_wk, thanks good sugestion - used the "older" Wheezy install and see whether that is working - babilen gave me some good hints on debian-next too , thanks a bunch guys |
| 22:22.18 | streuner_ | iderik: what kind of Debian do you run? |
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| 22:22.32 | streuner_ | iderik: sid? |
| 22:22.42 | iderik | streuner_: oh, i forgot to give you this: http://pastebin.com/3sT2r7P8 |
| 22:22.55 | iderik | streuner_: squeeze |
| 22:23.22 | streuner_ | iderik: please show us your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 22:23.43 | iderik | streuner_: ok! |
| 22:23.43 | streuner_ | iderik: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say, btw? |
| 22:23.43 | mjt | ok it is :r <filename> |
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| 22:24.03 | iderik | streuner_: ii libc6 2.11.2-10 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 22:24.13 | streuner_ | judd, versions libc6 |
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| 22:24.15 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-2; sid: 2.13-24; wheezy: 2.13-24 |
| 22:24.32 | streuner_ | hm |
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| 22:24.52 | streuner_ | that gets more and more interesting... |
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| 22:25.49 | sisif | Hey, does any one here has any clues how to fix the volume control in gnome2 ? It only works for the onboard sound card. Any other audio device I`m trying to use - usb soundcard or some bluetooth headphones - does not seems to works. I think is related with the Master switch which only affects the onboard card .. |
| 22:26.59 | iderik | streuner_: http://pastebin.com/BLnKbE1x |
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| 22:27.34 | iderik | streuner_: why is it interesting? im curious what you're thinking! |
| 22:27.37 | jhutchins_wk | sisif: are you using pulseaudio, and what about alsactl? |
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| 22:28.29 | streuner_ | iderik: well, you are running stable/squeeze and still get depends errors |
| 22:28.38 | sisif | jhutchins: yes, I`m using pulse. As for aslactl, I don`t have it installed |
| 22:28.55 | babilen | sisif: Take a look at "pavucontrol" for PA volume control. |
| 22:29.20 | sisif | babilen: have it installed |
| 22:29.54 | babilen | sisif: Good, now run it :) |
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| 22:30.27 | sisif | Ok, to rephrase. If I manually click on volume control (let`s say pavucontrol), select the device AND THEN adjust the volume, it work. But it does not work from the keyboard shortcut or from the small volume control icon |
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| 22:31.28 | sisif | It only changes the volume for the onboard sound card. Any other audio device I have to adjust "manually", which I find rather inconvenient - lots of clicks to do |
| 22:31.48 | streuner_ | iderik, well, i dont see an error in your sources.list too, which makes this error more magic |
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| 22:33.59 | iderik | streuner_: interesting! |
| 22:34.23 | streuner_ | iderik: did you install a package out of testing/unstable before, or did you change sources.list before? |
| 22:34.28 | iderik | streuner_: how did you see im on stable squeeze? |
| 22:34.39 | streuner_ | iderik: libc6 version |
| 22:34.45 | babilen | sisif: That is a shortcoming of the volume-control-applet (Ubuntu uses a different one IIRC) and the keybindings of gnome. I think it is pretty logical though that volume keys adjust the volume of the master device. The volume applet is a different thing |
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| 22:34.55 | streuner_ | iderik: *AND* sources.list |
| 22:35.20 | iderik | streuner_: im not sure about that. i think i added that last commented line a while ago when i was going to test something |
| 22:35.27 | iderik | streuner_: isnt there any kind of log for that? |
| 22:35.39 | streuner_ | iderik: dpkg.log in /var/log/ |
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| 22:35.42 | iderik | like i can search thru for testing |
| 22:35.56 | streuner_ | well, that makes sense then... |
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| 22:36.57 | ali1234 | how do i create a new patch for a package that uses cdbs simple-patchsys? |
| 22:36.59 | iderik | streuner_: dpkg.log is 0 byte big |
| 22:37.48 | streuner_ | iderik: maybe logrotate made its job, just look for dpkg* |
| 22:38.26 | ali1234 | ah, cdbs-edit-patch |
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| 22:39.39 | iderik | streuner_: correct! let me search thru this |
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| 22:39.58 | iderik | streuner_: any particular word i can search for? like "testing" |
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| 22:40.24 | streuner_ | no, what maybe helps is apt-cache policy <package> |
| 22:41.03 | iderik | streuner_: yeah, but i have no idea what package that i installed from testing |
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| 22:41.13 | streuner_ | for those packages which arent installable at all |
| 22:41.25 | iderik | ah ok |
| 22:41.44 | Bublik2002 | if i go from squeeze to wheezy theres no turning back ? and can i do wheezy stable once it comes out of "testing" |
| 22:42.02 | streuner_ | dpkg, downgrade |
| 22:42.02 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 22:42.34 | jkdhsdf | valentina stella |
| 22:43.18 | iderik | streuner_: http://pastebin.com/XUW335hE the "500", is that error code from http? :O |
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| 22:45.12 | streuner_ | iderik: nah, surely not, its the same what i got - Version: 4:4.6.3-4+squeeze1 |
| 22:45.41 | streuner_ | iderik: libqt4-sql its ok |
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| 22:46.30 | streuner_ | iderik: the error should be something else, most likely before |
| 22:46.51 | streuner_ | iderik: this package should be ok |
| 22:48.30 | iderik | streuner_: looks like libqt4-sql wants an older version of libqtcore4 |
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| 22:48.55 | iderik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:49.18 | iderik | libqtcore4 is already the newest version. |
| 22:49.27 | Bublik2002 | i just edited my sources and doing a dist upgrade to wheezy.... wheezy=testing... once it becomes stable do i need to change the repositories or just keep as is |
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| 22:50.03 | iderik | so i need to install an older version of libqtcore4? how will that effect my system? ive never done this before |
| 22:50.50 | streuner_ | Bublik2002: if you want that testing would sometime stable, you should use wheezy in your sources.list |
| 22:50.57 | Bublik2002 | could someone please check to see if i used the right repositories.. the download speeds of the dist upgade seem to be pretty slow |
| 22:51.27 | streuner_ | i doubt that, that any mirror of Debian is slow |
| 22:51.32 | dioz | babilen: have you heard of freebsd jails? |
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| 22:51.34 | Bublik2002 | streuner_ do you mind looking at my sources.list to make sure i did ti right? the install seems to be downloading really slowly |
| 22:51.51 | streuner_ | Bublik2002: well, no worries |
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| 22:52.22 | Bublik2002 | http://paste.debian.net/151175/ |
| 22:52.40 | Bublik2002 | i commented everything else out and just left those 4 lines |
| 22:52.49 | abrotman | Bublik2002: that's fine |
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| 22:52.58 | streuner_ | true |
| 22:52.58 | abrotman | Bublik2002: might just be that the mirror is slow today |
| 22:53.05 | streuner_ | true |
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| 22:53.19 | abrotman | Bublik2002: uhm, also, most people use http://ftp.<whatever> .. not ftp:// |
| 22:53.33 | Bublik2002 | abrotman: so can i stop it and choose a different mirror? |
| 22:53.53 | abrotman | sure .. you just have to run apt-get update;aptitude update |
| 22:54.06 | Bublik2002 | so how do i stop the process? |
| 22:54.15 | Bublik2002 | its in the middle of doing a dist upgrade |
| 22:54.27 | streuner_ | CTRL-C |
| 22:54.29 | abrotman | oh .. then nom, you can't |
| 22:54.30 | abrotman | NO |
| 22:54.31 | abrotman | NO |
| 22:54.36 | Bublik2002 | ok |
| 22:54.37 | streuner_ | no? |
| 22:54.42 | abrotman | if it's downloading .. you can stop it .. if it's instaling, you cannot |
| 22:54.43 | Bublik2002 | yeah i thought that would screw things up |
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| 22:54.59 | abrotman | "middle of a dist-upgrade" .. is very vague |
| 22:55.01 | Bublik2002 | no its downloading |
| 22:55.08 | abrotman | then yes, you can stop it |
| 22:55.14 | Bublik2002 | get: |
| 22:55.14 | streuner_ | well, just use CTRL-C then |
| 22:55.20 | Bublik2002 | ok just did that |
| 22:55.26 | abrotman | "middle of downloading for a dist-upgrade" |
| 22:55.30 | Bublik2002 | ok so what should i make my souces.list look like/ |
| 22:55.46 | streuner_ | as we already told you, its fine |
| 22:56.11 | Bublik2002 | i understand but its slow.. whats another mirror i can use |
| 22:56.30 | streuner_ | execpt the ftp/http thingie |
| 22:56.40 | streuner_ | use http |
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| 22:57.45 | streuner_ | in theory you can use every single mirror of different nations in the world (.de, .fr or whatever), but we recommend your TLD |
| 22:58.20 | Bublik2002 | ok now when i do dist upgrade it gives me some no solution find eror |
| 22:58.25 | Bublik2002 | error* |
| 22:58.27 | streuner_ | keep in mind, your mirror might be slow today, but thats most likely not the case for every single day in future |
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| 22:58.39 | Bublik2002 | i did apptitude update first |
| 22:59.35 | streuner_ | please show us the error in a pastebin |
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| 23:00.06 | Bublik2002 | damn i hope i didnt screw everthing up |
| 23:00.34 | streuner_ | whatever, you are able to reinstall, if needed |
| 23:00.49 | Bublik2002 | gir1.2-pango-1.0: Conflicts: gir1.0-pango-1.0 which is a virtual package. |
| 23:00.49 | Bublik2002 | open: 4841; closed: 9601; defer: 56; conflict: 74 oNo solution found within the allotted time. Try harder? [Y/n] |
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| 23:01.57 | streuner_ | welcome to testing :-P |
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| 23:08.38 | abrotman | Bublik2002: use apt-get |
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| 23:28.52 | Bert_2 | Hi, I want to know whether a generic "openssl genrsa -out yourkey.key 2048" and "openssl req -new -key domainname.key -out domainname.csr" is the best way to generate a secure CSR or should I increase the keysize or specify encoding/cipher options ? (if this is the right channel, otherwise do redirect me) |
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| 23:33.43 | abrotman | Bert_2: i think there's a #openssl |
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| 23:34.45 | Bert_2 | abrotman: yeah, already asked it there, nobody seems to be listening though, as I guess it's a rather easy question for them |
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| 23:37.24 | abrotman | Bert_2: i'd gues their website also has a FAQ that might include best practices ? |
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| 23:38.39 | Bert_2 | abrotman: that might be a plan, let me check that :D |
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| 23:40.14 | jason101 | good evening all |
| 23:40.36 | jason101 | i would like to open some port on this Description: Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.1 (squeeze) |
| 23:40.48 | jason101 | i am trying iptables -L but nothing comes up |
| 23:41.48 | gray-- | jason101: is there an application to open the port? |
| 23:41.59 | jason101 | i am on command prompt |
| 23:42.09 | jason101 | terminal* |
| 23:42.18 | gray-- | ok....... |
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| 23:42.50 | gray-- | don't quite understand what you're trying to do |
| 23:43.13 | jason101 | i would like to open port 81 |
| 23:43.46 | gray-- | why would you want to do that? for forward it somewhere? to provide a service? |
| 23:43.54 | Bert_2 | abrotman: their FAQ says to use CA.pl which makes 1024 keys which many Certificate Authorities no longer accept, but it's better than nothing, I'll just carry on doing what I do, thx for your help ;) |
| 23:44.10 | jason101 | gray--: yes i would like to run a service on this |
| 23:44.13 | jason101 | port |
| 23:44.28 | abrotman | Bert_2: enjoy |
| 23:44.28 | gray-- | so... run the service? worry about iptables once the service is up and running? |
| 23:44.40 | abrotman | jason101: your system is also out of date |
| 23:44.50 | abrotman | jason101: just install the service .. you don't have to open anything |
| 23:45.02 | jason101 | [23:41] * Unable to connect to server (Connection timed out) |
| 23:45.04 | abrotman | at least not til you have something listening on it |
| 23:45.19 | abrotman | jason101: what daemon is listening on port 81? |
| 23:45.28 | jason101 | i have something running, i am wondering if debian is blocking by default |
| 23:45.37 | abrotman | jason101: there is no block by default |
| 23:45.38 | jason101 | i am testing a webserver on port 81 |
| 23:45.51 | abrotman | jason101: fuser -n tcp 81 .. does it list any numbers? |
| 23:45.51 | gray-- | does netstat say it's running on that port? |
| 23:45.51 | jason101 | hmmm, so debain does not block any ports by default? |
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| 23:46.27 | jason101 | fuser -n tcp 81 nothing comes up |
| 23:47.00 | gray-- | jason101: i think you need to debug the webserver first and foremost, make sure it's listening properly |
| 23:47.30 | jason101 | so let me clarify this, debian has any port that i want open by default? correct? |
| 23:48.00 | jason101 | so let's say i want to run webserver on port 80, debian will not block it, irc on port 6667 debian will not block it |
| 23:48.36 | gray-- | if you're root, then anything is fair game. if you're not root, anything 1024 and over is fair game |
| 23:48.55 | abrotman | jason101: if fuser shows nothing, nothing is listening |
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| 23:49.17 | jason101 | abrotman: i have something listening on port 80 so i tried that command on port 80 |
| 23:49.23 | jason101 | that command it's not working |
| 23:49.48 | jason101 | i did netstat -npl |
| 23:50.14 | abrotman | and what? |
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| 23:50.23 | abrotman | fuser -n tcp 80 .. that works |
| 23:50.34 | jason101 | nothing |
| 23:50.41 | abrotman | then nothing is listening |
| 23:50.50 | abrotman | oh, or you're using a webserver on udp ? |
| 23:50.56 | jason101 | no |
| 23:50.57 | jason101 | tcp |
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| 23:51.31 | abrotman | so how will you show me something is listening ? |
| 23:51.39 | jason101 | when i do |
| 23:51.43 | jason101 | netstat -npl |
| 23:51.51 | jason101 | than i am trying to connect to the ip myself, |
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| 23:51.56 | abrotman | show us |
| 23:52.01 | jason101 | ports that are open it says connection refused |
| 23:52.04 | abrotman | use paste.debian.net |
| 23:52.06 | jason101 | others time out |
| 23:52.09 | sisif | Quick noob question: how different is Linux Mint LMDE from Debian, if it`s build on the same distro / is using the exact same repos (testing) |
| 23:52.12 | jason101 | 1 sec |
| 23:52.38 | abrotman | sisif: LMDE is not supported here, they add software on top of Debian, it is no longer Debian |
| 23:53.02 | tosmo | hi, what would be the preferred way to start up a service at boot time? adding it to init.d/ and then use update.rc, or just add it to rc3.d/ ? or is there still something like the bootmisc script that once existed? |
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| 23:53.35 | sisif | abrotman: I know it`s not supported here .. |
| 23:53.37 | abrotman | !tell tosmo about run at startup |
| 23:53.42 | jhutchins_lt | tosmo: There's rc.local, or use the template in init.d |
| 23:53.51 | abrotman | sisif: so ask LMDE people how it differs from Debian .. we don't use it, we don't know about it |
| 23:54.17 | sisif | abrotman: ok ok, sorry if I was rude |
| 23:54.38 | abrotman | sisif: it's not rude, it's just not on-topic here .. we can't spend all day discussing how X is different from Debian |
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| 23:55.58 | sisif | Uhum |
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