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| 00:08.57 | Jasonn | hi there, I have some problems installing "quota" on my server |
| 00:09.18 | jhutchins_lt | Ok. |
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| 00:12.54 | abrotman | hopes there is more info coming |
| 00:13.16 | Jasonn | it wont install |
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| 00:13.23 | Jasonn | you want the error? |
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| 00:14.26 | abrotman | that'd be helpful |
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| 00:19.17 | abrotman | or not ... |
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| 00:27.07 | acu | how can i search which version of ati driver is on non-free (I am talkin gabout fglrx-driver) in Wheezy ? |
| 00:28.05 | civillian | acu: apt-cache policy fglrx-driver |
| 00:28.58 | abrotman | acu: packages.debian.org/fglrx |
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| 00:30.58 | acu | thanks guys - it seem that it is the same posted at AMD website - the GNOME3 did not work - properly - I just installed a fresh Wheezy in a quad laptop - pray for me that it will work now |
| 00:30.58 | apt | acu: pas de quoi |
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| 00:39.10 | acu | so annoying - second attempt - a bit better on the latest ATI driver but gnome shows skewed options |
| 00:40.36 | Craigwd_2000 | I have additional configuration data for PC laptop as an addendum to what HP told me...; however; I'd prefer to tell whoever deals with the hardware drivers and/or Kernel Modules in Wheezy so we can get some kinks worked out of the laptop's upgraded Specs.... |
| 00:40.47 | Craigwd_2000 | for my PC laptop* |
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| 00:48.43 | Craigwd_2000 | It turns out their "Entertainment PC" Pavilion dv6z-1100 (or at least mine anyways...) is possibly capable of running MythTV but I'm a skeptic due to its wide range of more modern & exotic hardware... |
| 00:51.59 | Craigwd_2000 | Also there's 110 or more Revisions of its Quanta 3061 motherboard as indicated by the 3061-110 sticker found underneath the computer to make matters even more interesting & in general just plain confusing... |
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| 00:54.26 | Dulak | Craigwd_2000: I doubt that revision refers to production revisions, I highly doubt any motherboard manufacturer would go through 110 production revisions of the exact same model board. It's likely that was 100 or more beta revisions, and 10 or less production revisions, or something close. |
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| 00:54.58 | Craigwd_2000 | It has a TV Tuner but I can't say which hardware manufacturer made this particular variant of the chipset part... |
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| 00:56.08 | Dulak | lspci doesn't show you? |
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| 00:59.54 | Craigwd_2000 | It also came with a very rudimentary slim IR remote... Dulak: I've tried that but to make matters worse dmesg doesn't even seem remotely capable of even identifying the make or model of the laptop itself... I managed to get the BtCap Audio Capture & a generic BrookTree 8X8 chipset going through use of the commercial Audio Capture & Open Source BT-8X8 drivers for WinXP (supposedly it's a Philips made BT8X8 inside...). |
| 01:00.21 | qxt | I am using Debian with a BBP (not UEFI) using GPT. Grub2 is my Boot Loader. Need to add a 2ed disk with Win7 for AutoCad. How do I set this up for a duel boot ? |
| 01:00.44 | rgr | just wondering if someone knows off the top of their head if squeeze SHOULD support SNI with apache2 and ssl/vhosts? |
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| 01:01.28 | Dulak | Craigwd_2000: well for one the kernel is not supposed to detect makes and models, it's supposed to detect chips and chipsets. Please pastebin the output of lspci and lsusb for me to see this magical undetected but halfway working chip. |
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| 01:06.48 | nevyn | SNI? |
| 01:07.05 | nevyn | is that the shared ip ssl hinting stuff? |
| 01:07.22 | nevyn | squeeze won't have an apache even close to new enough |
| 01:08.09 | technologov_ | anybody knows why 'Qyoto' was removed from Debian ? It is a Qt bindings for C#/Mono. |
| 01:08.30 | technologov_ | no official news on this topic; just silenty removed from wheezy |
| 01:10.48 | Craigwd_2000 | Dulak: about that...; the lsusb -V output is way too long & I don't know which Bus ID it has assigned... What should I pipe the output into to make it a bit more readable/legible...? I tried less but it acted glitchy & didn't seem to work very well... |
| 01:11.26 | abrotman | !removals |
| 01:11.26 | dpkg | The log of Debian package removals (including removal reasons) for this year is at http://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.txt ; for logs of previous years, see http://ftp-master.debian.org/#removed . For pending removals see http://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.html |
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| 01:11.29 | langkid1 | I forgot, what's the command for making a new user? |
| 01:12.04 | Dulak | Craigwd_2000: I would just dump it to a text file and edit it, but really it doesn't matter what it looks like, I'm just curious to see where the issue is, and if it's a driver issue or not |
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| 01:14.48 | qxt | langkid1 ... try # adduser |
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| 01:15.10 | langkid1 | never mind |
| 01:15.25 | Craigwd_2000 | Dulak: I'm a bit concerned more ATM at the possibility that HP shipped a AMD/ATI RS880 or even a AMD/ATI SB8X0 South Bridge... My hardware output is too unreliable since the PC laptop will probably need an after-market Unicore BIOS to get the core hardware issues sorted out first... |
| 01:15.48 | Dulak | Craigwd_2000: ohhhh it's an HP? |
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| 01:16.26 | Craigwd_2000 | The chipset may also be a AMD 785E... Yes...; it's an HP Pavilion dv6z-1100... |
| 01:16.42 | Dulak | Craigwd_2000: ouch. HP has a really bad habit of doing that kind of thing on the hardware, put cheaper knockoffs in, and claim it's 'X compatible' when you bitch because it was advertised as 'X' |
| 01:17.12 | Dulak | Craigwd_2000: I avoid HP computers like the plague for just that reason. |
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| 01:17.34 | Cyclohexane | how do i completely reinstall apache2? im missing /etc/apache2 and all sorts... |
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| 01:19.13 | Dulak | Cyclohexane: as root: apt-get purge apache2 && apt-get install apache2 |
| 01:19.24 | Cyclohexane | i've tried that |
| 01:19.40 | Cyclohexane | purge remove and install aren't doing much |
| 01:19.56 | Dulak | what does apt say when you do the install command? |
| 01:20.04 | Craigwd_2000 | Yeah...; even worse is the simple fact that I barely got two-three hours of battery out it when it was running a Pre-SP 1 version of Windows 7 x64 Home Premium (running off the battery in XP or Linux is a very bad idea for that reason alone too...). |
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| 01:20.56 | Cyclohexane | says its been setup |
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| 01:21.13 | Cyclohexane | isn't running though or any files modified / created |
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| 01:21.23 | Craigwd_2000 | Once I get the BIOS issues resolved I'm planning to buy a better battery for it at some point... |
| 01:22.37 | Dulak | Cyclohexane: mmm. not sure there man, the purge should completely erase all traces and the install should have redone it from scratch, maybe someone knows how to troubleshoot it better, I have never seen that myself |
| 01:22.50 | Cyclohexane | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.15 | Cyclohexane | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.16 | Cyclohexane | -su: cd: /etc/apache2: No such file or directory |
| 01:24.13 | Cyclohexane | cheers anyway dulak :) |
| 01:25.33 | Dulak | Cyclohexane: you might go into /var/cache/apt/archives, try to manually install the package with 'dpkg -i apache2-whatever.deb' If that fails delete the deb there and then try the apt-get install again to force it to redownload it.... |
| 01:26.09 | buntunub | apt-get install apache2 --reinstall |
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| 01:32.00 | Cyclohexane | XD Dulak |
| 01:32.22 | abrotman | buntunub: that will not work, for multiple reasons |
| 01:32.36 | Cyclohexane | i've managed to get it reinstalled with all the correct packages this time etc (like a normal install) |
| 01:32.48 | Cyclohexane | but it won't start |
| 01:32.57 | Cyclohexane | is there a way to get verbose output from apache? |
| 01:33.08 | nevyn | Cyclohexane: how do you mean it won't start |
| 01:33.19 | nevyn | it should start running as soon as you install it. |
| 01:34.19 | webad_13 | how can I disable a usb device from command line - cut power to it... is it possible? |
| 01:34.38 | webad_13 | so that it is not listed in my lsusb |
| 01:34.41 | Cyclohexane | [alert] (11)Resource temporarily unavailable: apr_thread_create: unable to create worker thread |
| 01:35.02 | Cyclohexane | [alert] No active workers found... Apache is exiting! |
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| 01:37.43 | project2501b | i distinctly remember a tool that sits between an executable blob, say, like a statically linked binary, and the operating system, and traces the library calls for you. but i cannot remember its name for the love of me. |
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| 01:39.04 | Cyclohexane | meh resolved, mpm-worker package was messing it up |
| 01:39.14 | rhenani | Hey guys trying to compile kdenlive v.8 I'm getting next error: http://paste.debian.net/151187/ |
| 01:39.23 | abrotman | rhenani: it's in Debian |
| 01:39.45 | rhenani | Yes I have debian squeeze 64 bits version 6.0.3 |
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| 01:40.24 | asarch | What is the name of the default mail server? |
| 01:40.57 | ryushe | exim? |
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| 01:44.03 | abrotman | rhenani: and? it's still in Debian |
| 01:44.07 | abrotman | judd: versions kdenlive |
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| 01:44.09 | judd | Package: kdenlive on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 0.5.svn20080420-0.2; squeeze: 0.7.8-1; squeeze-multimedia: 0.7.8-1.2; sid: 0.8.2.1-1; wheezy: 0.8.2.1-1; sid-multimedia: 1:0.8.2.1-0.0; wheezy-multimedia: 1:0.8.2.1-0.0 |
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| 01:46.37 | dioz | anyone here familliar with bsd jails ? |
| 01:47.01 | rhenani | abrotman: I tould you so |
| 01:47.21 | rhenani | abrotman: I told you so I have debian 6.0.3 |
| 01:47.40 | Bublik2002 | abrotman: can you help me i just got back... im trying to resume my dist-upgrade to wheezy and its giving me all types of errors |
| 01:48.03 | simonlnu | ,info ltrace |
| 01:48.05 | judd | Package ltrace (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: Tracks runtime library calls in dynamically linked programs. Version: 0.5.3-2.1; Size: 77.7k; Installed: 212k |
| 01:48.12 | simonlnu | ,info strace |
| 01:48.15 | judd | Package strace (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: A system call tracer. Version: 4.5.20-2; Size: 118.7k; Installed: 296k; Homepage: http://sourceforge.net/projects/strace/ |
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| 01:51.22 | project2501b | simonlnu, i need something to trace a statically linked binary |
| 01:51.43 | Craigwd_2000 | What's the easiest way to search bugs.debian.org for bug reports that have useful work-arounds...? When I attempted to back my Firefox/Iceweasel Bookmarks it failed to backup my most recent additions...; again. |
| 01:51.44 | project2501b | in particular the tw_cli binary for the 3ware disk controllers |
| 01:51.57 | Bublik2002 | simonlnu: i changed my sources.list to wheezy from squeeze and did aptitude dist-upgrade but it was going to slowly so i did a control+c in the middle of it getting files to resume it later... but now when i run the same command its giving me conflicts |
| 01:52.13 | project2501b | Craigwd_2000, use opera, sync your bookmarks to the cloud :D |
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| 01:54.57 | abrotman | Bublik2002: pastebin please |
| 01:54.58 | Bublik2002 | nm i just did apt-get dist-upgrade -f and it seems to have resumed the process |
| 01:55.00 | Craigwd_2000 | I remember seeing a ALSA bug-fix report where corrupted sound or no sound at all was fixed by simply purging & re-installing ALSA & I think that may fix my curent Wheezy corrupted KDE 4 Welcome sound sound card issues... |
| 01:55.16 | Bublik2002 | abrotman: read my last entry |
| 01:55.33 | Bublik2002 | does that seem right? |
| 01:56.46 | Craigwd_2000 | I think it was from either the Etch or Lenny era...; probably Etch... |
| 01:57.26 | Bublik2002 | abrotman: so after im done with the dist-upgrade do i just reboot? |
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| 01:58.15 | abrotman | hopefully |
| 01:58.51 | Bublik2002 | abrotman: so is my gnome 2 going to change to gnome shell? |
| 01:59.06 | Craigwd_2000 | My sound card is an IDT STAC 9205...; yet another Intel HDA Audio card or maybe an off-brand yet still compatible clone of it... |
| 01:59.13 | Bublik2002 | sorry im kind of new to linux.. have been experimenting with different stuff |
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| 02:02.34 | abrotman | Bublik2002: it should, yes |
| 02:02.48 | Bublik2002 | ok thanks.. hopefully it will all go smoothly |
| 02:02.58 | mksm | What's recommended atm for automated apt updates/upgrades? |
| 02:03.00 | buntunub | gl |
| 02:03.27 | thewanderer1 | mksm, best: nothing. second best: unattended-upgrades. (and never ever use on testing/sid/proposed-updates) |
| 02:03.43 | abrotman | mksm: there is cron-apt, apticron, unattended-upgrade |
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| 02:04.25 | Kuifje111 | test |
| 02:04.33 | thewanderer1 | Test failed. |
| 02:05.06 | Bublik2002 | what version of gnome shell is currently in sid? |
| 02:05.11 | Bublik2002 | sorry i meant wheezy |
| 02:05.22 | thewanderer1 | Bublik2002, one that is terribly broken |
| 02:05.32 | Bublik2002 | in wheezy? |
| 02:05.45 | thewanderer1 | yeah, use GNOME3 from wheezy + gnome shell from sid |
| 02:05.51 | mksm | thewanderer1, nothing as in do not update or do it manually? (kinda not ok for 20+ boxes) |
| 02:06.20 | Bublik2002 | thewanderer1: how do i do that? |
| 02:06.44 | thewanderer1 | mksm, do it manually - there are solutions which could make it more enjoyable, for example a cluster ssh that executes commands on many boxes |
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| 02:06.50 | Bublik2002 | gnome3 in wheezy is buggy? |
| 02:07.10 | thewanderer1 | Bublik2002, according to my latest experiences, buggy as hell. in sid it's still somewhat buggy, but bearable. |
| 02:07.50 | Bublik2002 | thewanderer1: so should i use xfce in wheezy instead or something? |
| 02:08.16 | Bublik2002 | or maybe kde |
| 02:08.53 | thewanderer1 | Bublik2002, if you want GNOME3, use wheezy and packages from sid. KDE behaves better, yes (but the KDE network manager is as bad as ever) |
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| 02:10.28 | Bublik2002 | thewanderer1: ok i guess if i hate it ill have to do a clean install back to squeeze :( |
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| 02:10.52 | thewanderer1 | Bublik2002, that, or cherry-pick packages (apt-pinning is a must) |
| 02:11.00 | abrotman | Bublik2002: no idea what the fuck thewanderer1 is smoking .. i use wheezy with gnome .. works fine |
| 02:11.14 | Bublik2002 | ok cool :) |
| 02:11.15 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, with the broken alt+f2? |
| 02:11.25 | Bublik2002 | abrotman: its 3 not 3.2 right? |
| 02:11.29 | abrotman | thewanderer1: try gnome-do .. a reasonable replacement |
| 02:11.44 | abrotman | thewanderer1: and that's a really dumb reason to start mixing versions |
| 02:11.46 | babilen | thewanderer1: .. or just press the Windows key and start typing |
| 02:11.50 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, oh well, he was asking about gnome shell - it's broken for me in wheezy |
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| 02:12.09 | abrotman | thewanderer1: because you can't use alt-f2 ? that's broken ? |
| 02:12.22 | thewanderer1 | yes... how else does one launch programs in that? :P |
| 02:12.26 | Bublik2002 | hey babilen... thanks for your help the other night... i finally got everything running smoothly but now decided to do a dist-upgrade to wheezy : |
| 02:12.28 | Bublik2002 | :) |
| 02:12.37 | abrotman | thewanderer1: gnome-do .. read what i just said |
| 02:12.43 | babilen | Bublik2002: A working system was too boring? ;) |
| 02:12.51 | Bublik2002 | lol yeah |
| 02:13.01 | Bublik2002 | to be honest i love gnome shell+extensions |
| 02:13.17 | Bublik2002 | kinda miss fedora 16 because of that so i hope i can get something similar set up in debian |
| 02:13.23 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, yeah, I guess... GNOME3 itself is not much of an improvement then, no? :P |
| 02:13.31 | abrotman | thewanderer1: gnome-do isn't quite as .. fast .. as alt-f2 .. but it also does more |
| 02:14.00 | abrotman | thewanderer1: huh ? |
| 02:14.15 | babilen | thewanderer1: I was mostly just using that -- Hit Windows key, narrow down selection and voila. Gnome-Do is fancy, but I don't use gnome enough to justify having it around. |
| 02:14.21 | thewanderer1 | over GNOME2, I mean, if you still need to replace its shell with something else |
| 02:14.52 | Bublik2002 | is cinnamon going to come to debian? |
| 02:14.55 | abrotman | thewanderer1: i didn't have a problem with gnome2, and gnome3 is just fine |
| 02:15.00 | abrotman | dpkg: cinnamon |
| 02:15.00 | dpkg | abrotman: bugger all, i dunno |
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| 02:15.27 | thewanderer1 | cinnamon == the GNOME2 fork? |
| 02:15.34 | abrotman | Bublik2002: there might be an RFP for it ... |
| 02:15.51 | abrotman | or not |
| 02:15.58 | Bublik2002 | whats an rfp? |
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| 02:16.05 | abrotman | thewanderer1: no, that's MATE |
| 02:16.38 | Bublik2002 | running unity is also out of the question right? |
| 02:17.06 | babilen | Bublik2002: It's not yet packaged -- http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=609278 |
| 02:17.28 | babilen | cinnamon? yet another soon to be dead fork? |
| 02:17.36 | Bublik2002 | babilen: which? unity? |
| 02:17.42 | abrotman | babilen: an alternate gnome3 interface AFAICT . for the whiners |
| 02:17.56 | abrotman | Bublik2002: if you want all these alternate interfaces .. why are you using Debian ? |
| 02:18.16 | Bublik2002 | abrotman: ive tested almost all the distros... just trying shit out |
| 02:18.32 | Bublik2002 | only one i couldnt get to work was arch |
| 02:18.46 | Bublik2002 | couldnt figure out the wireless card setup |
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| 02:19.16 | Bublik2002 | honestly i would probably use ubuntu but it has a lot of bugs with my dell e6410 laptop |
| 02:19.33 | Bublik2002 | fedora and debian both work well with it though |
| 02:19.59 | nag | Bublik2002: what about fedebiora? |
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| 02:20.31 | Bublik2002 | twas a joke? |
| 02:20.35 | nag | indeed |
| 02:20.44 | Bublik2002 | cute |
| 02:21.05 | nag | thanks |
| 02:21.08 | Bublik2002 | damn this dist upgrade is taking forever.. .soo many packages |
| 02:21.23 | nag | pkgin full-upgrade ? |
| 02:21.28 | nag | ; ) |
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| 02:22.44 | Bublik2002 | aight im gonna go watch some tv while this finishes.. ttyl |
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| 02:25.19 | yagoo | Bublik2002, that's weird i thought your tv was watching apt |
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| 02:34.37 | rhenani | Hello guys |
| 02:34.55 | rhenani | Does some know how to add slow motion effect using kdenlive to a comun video? =) |
| 02:35.10 | yagoo | i actually did this today.. cat /pathto/debian.iso > /dev/<myusb> (eg: cat ~/debian603.iso > /dev/sdd , sdd being my usb), it really worked flawlessly.. I bought 8 little lexar 4gigs today.. i got some sweet rescue usbs made |
| 02:35.38 | dvs | i'd prefer the 8GB |
| 02:35.47 | yagoo | anybody have a sweet rescue usb project i can check out? |
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| 02:36.44 | yagoo | dvs, my local electronic shop was liquidating them.. i bought a handful of them.. |
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| 02:36.57 | technologov_ | only sweet live dvd project -- debian-live :) |
| 02:37.17 | yagoo | technologov_, that's good.. however i do use the debian-installer as a rescue platform :) |
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| 02:39.27 | dvs | bought a 64GB USB drive today and is cramming the double Blu-ray iso image onto it |
| 02:40.12 | technologov_ | dvs, ha ha :) |
| 02:40.33 | unc0nnected | Evening folks.. |
| 02:40.40 | yagoo | blueray is only 25 gig aint it not? |
| 02:40.45 | technologov_ | dvs, I'm one of the few Debian users, whom actually have Debian DL-BD ISO image... it is 32 GB |
| 02:41.02 | technologov_ | dual-layer blue-ray (DL-BD) is 50 GB |
| 02:41.08 | yagoo | oh ok |
| 02:41.21 | technologov_ | But I use my image for virtualization... and I find it great ! |
| 02:41.23 | unc0nnected | I'm moving a live production web server running Ubuntu 10.10 over to a Debian 6 server. I was going to reinstall all the packages manually and then just copy config files over and test it all one component at a time.. Is this the best way to go about it or is there a better way? |
| 02:41.27 | dvs | technologov_: yeah, and it will still fit on the drive |
| 02:41.29 | technologov_ | It is supported since 6.0.3 ... |
| 02:41.57 | technologov_ | (finding DL-BD media is pretty much impossible) |
| 02:42.42 | technologov_ | As for regular Blue-ray -- they are still not on HTTP -- only on jigdo, which is sad... |
| 02:42.56 | yagoo | optical disks are going out of fashion.. too easy to damage |
| 02:43.16 | dvs | technologov_: true, that's sad |
| 02:43.19 | technologov_ | yagoo, not for me... I have BD burner and BD media |
| 02:43.47 | technologov_ | but in general - yes -- fewer ppl buy DVDs / BDs those days... |
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| 02:45.44 | abrotman | unc0nnected: that seems reasonable .. i'm sure you'll do plenty of testing on the new system though .. right ? |
| 02:45.45 | technologov_ | yagoo, optical media is still required to install systems... |
| 02:46.00 | technologov_ | 1. yagoo, I don't know any ppl whom install from USB disks |
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| 02:46.14 | technologov_ | 2. very hard to get USB disk with write-protect switch |
| 02:46.38 | unc0nnected | abrotman: that's the plan.. was just wondering if there was anything I should look out for.. I know the distro's are similar enough that most things should work straight across. or at least I hope |
| 02:47.01 | unc0nnected | 2 weeks ago I moved a FreeBSD server over to Ubuntu and that wasn't as straight forward |
| 02:47.10 | abrotman | unc0nnected: i probably wouldn't reinstall 'all' the packages .. just the ones you need |
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| 02:50.52 | yagoo | technologov_, with the latest debian 6.0.3, it's simply cat debian.iso >/dev/usb .. it works perfectly.. |
| 02:51.23 | dvs | yagoo: That's been true since 6.0.0 |
| 02:51.24 | technologov_ | yagoo, hmm? how ? ISO uses ISOLINUX bootloader... |
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| 02:51.45 | technologov_ | but USB disks require non-ISO FS and non-ISO boot-loader |
| 02:51.49 | technologov_ | how can it work ? |
| 02:52.20 | technologov_ | ISO images use ISO9660 which don't work on USB |
| 02:52.21 | thewanderer1 | technologov_, AFAIK CDs leave the MBR (first 512 bytes) blank so you can put GRUB there |
| 02:52.33 | thewanderer1 | also, ISO9660 is just a file system. it surely does work on USB! |
| 02:53.17 | technologov_ | boot code: CD-ROM uses el-torino; USB does not. |
| 02:53.43 | technologov_ | el-torito* |
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| 02:54.11 | abrotman | does he mean an USB HDD or USB flash ? |
| 02:54.13 | technologov_ | Those are all serious differences, so I don't see how can it possibly work, even on theoretical level. |
| 02:54.36 | technologov_ | abrotman, now I speak about USB flash, but I think about both options |
| 02:55.04 | technologov_ | only diff is that USB flash is a super-floppy (i.e. no partition table) |
| 02:55.20 | technologov_ | + FS is usually FAT32 on USB flash |
| 02:55.36 | technologov_ | is usually NTFS on USB disks |
| 02:55.59 | thewanderer1 | technologov_, MBR (points to 3) | ElTorito ( points to 4) | GRUB target | ElTorito target ← the disk layout |
| 02:56.27 | thewanderer1 | also, USB flash is a block-addressed device, not a floppy |
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| 02:56.55 | thewanderer1 | so if you put an MBR on your pendrive, guess what - you're making partitions on it! |
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| 02:59.24 | technologov_ | thewanderer1, so u say it is possible to fit both MBR and el-torito on same media ? Which FS will it use? FAT32 or ISO9660 ? |
| 02:59.25 | abrotman | technologov_: do you understand what the commands do that the installation manual give to you actually do ? |
| 02:59.53 | technologov_ | abrotman, I have understanding, but possibly incomplete. |
| 03:00.35 | technologov_ | cfdisk / dd / filesystem / GRUB / ISOLINUX <-- I know all those. |
| 03:00.41 | thewanderer1 | technologov_, yes, because they can occupy different space. I think it could use any FS, unless ElTorito assumes ISO9660 at some point. |
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| 03:02.44 | technologov_ | assuming you do : cat debian.iso > /dev/usbflash |
| 03:03.02 | yagoo | technologov_, cd and usb both can do floppy-1.44 boot mode.. |
| 03:03.10 | technologov_ | it will copy both el-torito + ISO9660 FS + ISOLINUX boot-loader, right ? |
| 03:03.37 | thewanderer1 | technologov_, it will copy everything there is, including the MBR, ElTorito, and the FS |
| 03:03.56 | technologov_ | yagoo, this mode is emulated in BIOS (standard boot floppy emulation code) |
| 03:04.05 | thewanderer1 | actually, I've yet to try placing an MBR on a CD... |
| 03:06.07 | technologov_ | MBR is related to partition table; Floppy and CD-ROMS don't have it. |
| 03:06.10 | yagoo | technologov_, instead of wandering off like this.. why not try it? i did cat debian603.iso >/dev/usbdevice flash device, less than an hour ago and can boot it |
| 03:06.50 | technologov_ | yagoo, because my USB-flash is very small --- 512 MB |
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| 03:06.50 | yagoo | technologov_, if it doesnt work for you, it's either bios, or your usb flash is not good enough |
| 03:07.27 | thewanderer1 | technologov_, well, try the netinst then |
| 03:07.28 | yagoo | technologov_, dunno.. maybe try the netinst.iso .. but i know the cd1 works |
| 03:08.17 | yagoo | bought a handful of usb flash today |
| 03:08.28 | dvs | bought one |
| 03:08.33 | yagoo | i elegantly made a sweet gparted live boot usb.. so sexy.. |
| 03:10.25 | technologov_ | ok... downloading CD.... |
| 03:10.37 | technologov_ | wanna try this trick ^^ |
| 03:12.14 | yagoo | technologov_, btw.. i have to work on winbloze systems for the job.. win7 usb install can take place from usb-flash too. don't know where you assume it has to be disks.. |
| 03:13.03 | yagoo | technologov_, it's not a trick.. it's documented in the debian.org manual pages silly |
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| 03:15.25 | technologov_ | is reading "Debian squeeze -- Installation Guide" |
| 03:16.00 | yagoo | technologov_, you make life more complicating than it already is.. keep it simple ;p .. one command poof.. |
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| 03:16.36 | technologov_ | yagoo, this one command pretty much contradicts to my knowledge. |
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| 03:16.48 | CellKill | In debian how does one go about changing the default desktop environment? i.e. I type startx from shell and get xfce instead of gnome |
| 03:16.52 | technologov_ | Were I had no knowledge -- it would be simple ^^ |
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| 03:18.38 | rgr | could some guru please tell me if squeeze apache2 includes SNI support? Damned if I can figure it out from the info in google and the debian repos. I read lots of "its aimed to include it in squeeze" but then they talk about apache 2.4. |
| 03:18.52 | technologov_ | actually I have one netbook lying around, that needs some Debian to be Squeezed on it... |
| 03:19.19 | technologov_ | once CD DL completes -- I will try ^^ |
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| 03:20.31 | abrotman | rgr: someone answered you hours ago |
| 03:20.43 | rgr | My machine froze. |
| 03:20.44 | abrotman | rgr: or just try it ? |
| 03:21.15 | rgr | I have tried it. But am having all sorts of certificate problems that I think might be linked with sninot working properly. I dont know. The documentation is lacking. |
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| 03:21.41 | rgr | if you still the response in your log could you pastebin it for me please? |
| 03:22.19 | abrotman | rgr: where are the docs on the apache website? |
| 03:22.23 | rgr | (I have seperate certs for the ssl vhosts but they are saying they are the same when it comes to the browser asking the user to validate the certificate) |
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| 03:22.47 | rgr | apache website and debian bare next to no correlation since debian screws so many configs around. |
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| 03:26.27 | roe | when did the known hosts file cease to list hosts in plain-text? |
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| 03:26.58 | philipp | my system wide proxy does not work... any ideas? |
| 03:27.08 | StuckMojo | hi. what's the "default" mta in squeeze? (IIRC it was exim in etch, not sure what it was in lenny) |
| 03:27.16 | roe | still exim |
| 03:27.32 | StuckMojo | hmph. i thought i recalled it having changed. |
| 03:27.43 | dvs | postfix, right? |
| 03:27.55 | StuckMojo | i'm on a fresh colo box and trying to figure out if there's an mta installed or not, but wasn't sure what to look for ;) |
| 03:28.05 | CellKill | StuckMojo: exim4 |
| 03:28.13 | roe | I'm pretty sure debian folks like exim |
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| 03:28.19 | CellKill | apt-get remove exim4* did the trick for me |
| 03:28.19 | StuckMojo | hmm...no exim. i thought it was included even in minimal |
| 03:28.29 | StuckMojo | CellKill: heh |
| 03:28.37 | StuckMojo | yeah i prefer postfix myself |
| 03:28.50 | philipp | dpkg-configure postfix? |
| 03:29.10 | StuckMojo | looks like there's no MTA installed at all |
| 03:29.34 | StuckMojo | is there a way to check that with dpkg? like search installed by catagory or what-provides? |
| 03:29.50 | StuckMojo | if anyone knows offhand... |
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| 03:31.09 | roe | now that hosts are not stored in plain-text in .ssh/known_hosts, is there an easy way to remove an entry? |
| 03:32.15 | StuckMojo | they aren't |
| 03:32.16 | StuckMojo | ? |
| 03:32.24 | roe | no they aren't |
| 03:33.12 | StuckMojo | so they aren't. hadn't noticed that. at least the IP is plain text. just hostname isn't |
| 03:34.49 | StuckMojo | roe: this might help: ssh-keygen -l -f ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 03:35.18 | roe | actually, I just found it: ssh-keygen -R <hostname> |
| 03:36.42 | StuckMojo | that's awefully non-intuitive. the fact that it's managed via ssh-keygen |
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| 03:49.22 | asarch | Thank you ryushe |
| 03:49.29 | asarch | Thank you very much :-) |
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| 03:50.09 | StuckMojo | ok thanks folks |
| 03:50.14 | StuckMojo | piece |
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| 03:56.20 | Bublik2002 | hmm this is odd.. i did a dist-upgrade to wheezy... after it finished i rebooted and still wound up with gnome 2? |
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| 04:01.07 | technologov_ | so.. back to Debian-install topic... |
| 04:01.19 | technologov_ | it seems that boot from USB works on some PCs |
| 04:01.50 | technologov_ | for example it works on 2008-year Qosmio laptop, but fails on 2010-year ASUS eeePC netbook |
| 04:02.30 | zro | sooooo, if im using stable (squeeze), and I want to do the right thing here, but scribus is listing squeeze as testing here... how do i proceed? http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Debian#I._Short_instructions_for_the_impatient_and_experienced |
| 04:03.34 | craigevil | zro, why not install it from the normal debian repo? |
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| 04:04.26 | zro | craigevil: cause the debian repo version is 1.3.3.13 and I have a file i need to edit that was built in 1.3.4 |
| 04:04.34 | craigevil | technologov_, installed from usb on my asus eee 701 4G, and on my ancient Thinkpad R40 |
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| 04:15.28 | Bublik2002 | is: cat debian.iso > /dev/sdb1 the right command to put an iso on a usb flash drive? |
| 04:15.37 | technologov_ | y |
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| 04:16.06 | technologov_ | any ISO will work.. from netcd up to Debian DL-BD ISO (32 GB) |
| 04:16.16 | Bublik2002 | hmm why does nothing show up in the file manager after the command completes |
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| 04:16.31 | Bublik2002 | it just says its empty with 3.8 gb free which is what the original size is |
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| 04:16.46 | technologov_ | it will show up after a while... |
| 04:16.51 | technologov_ | maybe re-plug USB |
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| 04:25.14 | technologov_ | BTW: ISO9660-formatted USB cannot be mounted on Windows Vista PC |
| 04:25.46 | technologov_ | but Linux can... |
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| 04:28.29 | hoshi411 | debian uses iceweasel instead of firefox so do you have iceweasel mobile? |
| 04:28.42 | hoshi411 | instead of firefox mobile |
| 04:29.01 | hoshi411 | i really need to get a mobile browser on my system |
| 04:29.12 | hoshi411 | running debian stable right now |
| 04:29.41 | craigevil | iceweasel=firefox |
| 04:29.56 | hoshi411 | right , and there is firefox mobile |
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| 04:30.05 | hoshi411 | so is there iceweasel mobile? |
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| 04:30.53 | hoshi411 | my request is actually for the package name for iceweasel mobile in debian repos |
| 04:31.00 | craigevil | no |
| 04:31.13 | hoshi411 | and if it is not there , any hints on where i can find it would be appreciated |
| 04:31.20 | hoshi411 | :) |
| 04:31.48 | hoshi411 | to run on stable |
| 04:33.05 | craigevil | hoshi411, no you would need to download firefox mobile |
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| 04:35.11 | hoshi411 | craigevil, thanks. i guess that answers it for me. |
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| 04:43.15 | bambanx | hello |
| 04:44.45 | karlpinc | bambanx: If you've a question just ask. |
| 04:44.49 | technologov_ | I just read about hybrid iso -- http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/Debian_USB_install_from_hybrid_iso/ |
| 04:45.00 | technologov_ | very cool idea ! loved it ! |
| 04:45.28 | karlpinc | technologov_: FYI, the place to go for install info is the install guide... |
| 04:45.55 | technologov_ | karlpinc, iit doesn't explain how it works... |
| 04:46.06 | bambanx | karlpinc, i dont have any question |
| 04:46.08 | technologov_ | it explains only how-to install ^^ |
| 04:46.30 | technologov_ | I have to Google to understand how bootable USB work |
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| 04:47.47 | karlpinc | technologov_: I find the openbsd docs are good when it comes to understanding things, and the filesystem/datastructure/boot principals are universal (per architecture anyway). |
| 04:49.29 | karlpinc | technologov_: I'd have to put wikpedia next. Googling for random advice is lower down on my list. YMMV. |
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| 05:05.51 | technologov_ | karlpinc, u know about 'hybridiso' ? |
| 05:06.09 | technologov_ | About ability to just copy debian ISO into USB and boot it 'as is' ? |
| 05:06.24 | technologov_ | unheard of... |
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| 05:08.57 | Brandon____ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:11.23 | Brandon____ | I have a question, what file contains the list of all packages? |
| 05:11.47 | nevyn | for what definition of all? |
| 05:11.56 | technologov_ | this one: http://packages.debian.org/stable/allpackages?format=txt.gz |
| 05:11.59 | nevyn | all installed packages? all availible packages? all current packages? |
| 05:12.11 | Brandon____ | All availible packages. |
| 05:12.19 | technologov_ | but not sure which command... |
| 05:12.39 | nevyn | /var/lib/apt/availible? or similar |
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| 05:13.57 | nevyn | /var/lib/dpkg/availible |
| 05:14.05 | technologov_ | thx |
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| 05:16.57 | Brandon____ | Thanks |
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| 05:22.47 | simonlnu | available* |
| 05:23.14 | simonlnu | "No such file or directory" >> availible ;) |
| 05:28.36 | ooldirty | hey, anyone bored and intimately familiar with the dpkg-buildpackage procedure? |
| 05:29.18 | ooldirty | basically, i'm trying to compile php and aclocal doesn't run before autoconf during "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot"... |
| 05:29.51 | ooldirty | and i'm too lazy to dig through the docs and find out what i can do to change that. |
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| 05:33.15 | martint | Is it fine for Debian installer(expert installation) to install itself to previously partitioned HDD(one ext4 for / and SWAP partition)? |
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| 05:34.06 | ooldirty | what's on the hard drive? |
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| 05:36.43 | simonlnu | ooldirty: i was going to ignore you on the basis of "i'm too lazy.." but i changed my mind. i'd look into autoreconf (and dh_autoreconf) to help with that. also, you might consider using the debian source package as a basis, or even copy it, and modify as needed. |
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| 05:37.40 | ooldirty | simonlnu: thanks for taking pity :). I'll definitely check it out |
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| 05:38.58 | simonlnu | not so much pity but empathy |
| 05:39.22 | riadh | hi |
| 05:39.48 | simonlnu | hi |
| 05:39.58 | nanobolic | anyone recommend a rss reader for crunchbang? simple gui is ok or a great console app is good as well |
| 05:40.08 | nanobolic | sorry for debian |
| 05:40.40 | martint | ooldirty, only filesystems are done. There are no files on the file system. |
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| 05:43.11 | riadh | I just set up 2 new servers. One file server, one backup server for the file server. I'm using rsync + a wrapper script in bash + hard links to backup the data. There is 3TB of data. On my old set up building the file list used to take me around 20 minues. On this new set-up it takes me only few seconds. I was expecting a gain of speed, but not that much. Is it too much to be true? |
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| 05:45.02 | delvalle26 | nanobolic: I like newsbeuter |
| 05:45.06 | delvalle26 | cli app :) |
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| 05:46.08 | nanobolic | thanks delvalle26 is it stand alone? |
| 05:47.47 | delvalle26 | !dpkg newsbeuter |
| 05:47.47 | dpkg | newsbeuter is a highly-configurable text mode RSS/Atom news reader (with podcast support), the self-proclaimed <mutt> of feed readers. http://newsbeuter.org/ #newsbeuter on irc.freenode.net. |
| 05:48.21 | nanobolic | delvalle26, thanks will have a look now |
| 05:48.29 | boudiccas | ,versions newsrouter |
| 05:48.29 | judd | No package named 'newsrouter' was found in i386. |
| 05:48.38 | delvalle26 | no problem, hopeyou like it as much as I do :) |
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| 05:49.11 | boudiccas | ,versions newsbeiter |
| 05:49.12 | judd | No package named 'newsbeiter' was found in i386. |
| 05:49.23 | delvalle26 | ,versions newsbeuter |
| 05:49.23 | judd | Package: newsbeuter on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.1-1+lenny3; squeeze: 2.3-1; sid: 2.4-1; wheezy: 2.4-1 |
| 05:49.44 | boudiccas | thanks, i was just going to cut n paste it :) |
| 05:49.58 | delvalle26 | no problem, benefits of launching from cli, got used to typing it :) |
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| 06:26.49 | ooldirty | simonlnu: it turned out to be an issue with libtool, in case you ever run into undefined m4 functions that automatically fix themselves. I believe that this machine is pretty well hosed. |
| 06:29.04 | simonlnu | oh yeh, debian has their own libtool too, for that sort of reason |
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| 06:58.58 | anqxyr | Hello, can anyone help me? I'm installing Debian for the first time after been a Ubuntu user for 9 month, and I have a problem. |
| 06:59.39 | simonlnu | shoot |
| 07:00.32 | anqxyr | When I try to install flashplugin-nonfree, I get a wget error when it unpacks. I googled it, there are lots of bag reports with this problem, but no workaround listed. I tried to install flash player manually, but that didn't work either |
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| 07:01.19 | simonlnu | *what* is the error? |
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| 07:02.11 | anqxyr | wget failed to download from people.debian.org/some_url |
| 07:02.33 | whitnall | ... |
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| 07:03.09 | anqxyr | it says in bag reports that it's a problem with wget incorrectly processing some parameters, but knowing that doesn't help me |
| 07:04.16 | anqxyr | here, I found full url if it helps: http://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin- |
| 07:04.17 | anqxyr | nonfree/fp10.sha512.i386.pgp.asc |
| 07:04.54 | whitnall | it's 404 for me |
| 07:05.13 | whitnall | oh, wait |
| 07:05.52 | anqxyr | it also says in error message that more information might be available at http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer, but there is nothing on the topic there, I checked (yeah, sorry for the link) |
| 07:06.09 | simonlnu | 'bug' |
| 07:06.37 | whitnall | did you try the tarball? |
| 07:07.00 | whitnall | http://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/ |
| 07:07.05 | simonlnu | that file you posted, it's just the ascii-armoured gpg key |
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| 07:07.53 | anqxyr | yeah, I tried the tarball, browser sees the plugin, but it just shows black screen when I open something that requires flash |
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| 07:09.06 | simonlnu | where did you put it? |
| 07:09.35 | anqxyr | I put .so in ~/.mozilla/plugins |
| 07:09.39 | simonlnu | ok |
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| 07:11.09 | anqxyr | actually, I tried tarball from adobe site, using one from people.debian.org might help |
| 07:11.12 | simonlnu | which browser? iceweasel? |
| 07:12.17 | anqxyr | firefox. I am a bad debian user :( installing firefox proved easier then updating iceweasel to reasonable version |
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| 07:12.36 | anqxyr | *than |
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| 07:15.10 | whitnall | ... |
| 07:16.00 | simonlnu | anqxyr: |
| 07:16.03 | simonlnu | !mdn |
| 07:16.03 | dpkg | Backports of the Iceweasel web browser and Icedove mail client are not available from <debian backports>. See http://mozilla.debian.net/ for newer Iceweasel and Icedove for squeeze, wheezy or sid. Work continues to get the packages into the official archive without breaking too many other xul-using applications. Also ask me about <transition>, <squeeze-backports>, <testing>. |
| 07:18.42 | whitnall | misses debian so much he sits in IRC. |
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| 07:22.05 | anqxyr | yeah, I saw this page. Lack of version number for all options past 3.6 bothers me. Is release supposed to be 4.0 or 9.0? Also I use tree style tabs, which is still an experimented addon, so I was worried that it may not work with iceweasel. Anyway, I think I'll reinstall Debian today, try some other window manager, Awesome was not as good as I thought it would be, and maybe my flash problem will go away too. I think I will give Iceweasel another try this |
| 07:22.06 | anqxyr | time. |
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| 07:25.32 | whitnall | I wasn't sold on Awesome. I haven't had a significant complication with flash since 2009, and it was easily fixed, so... |
| 07:26.08 | whitnall | I'm not saying it's because of Awesome, but your plan may indeed fix your problems. |
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| 07:41.45 | praecox | hello my friends, got a weird problem with Debian Squeeze - Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5708 installed on the hardware and after few hours of idling of the server - it unexpectadly loses it's connection to the Internet. |
| 07:42.14 | praecox | is there any known/reported bug to bnx2 driver for this NIC? |
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| 07:43.03 | simonlnu | !bts |
| 07:43.03 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
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| 07:45.37 | praecox | seems like my problem is very similiar to this one: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/debian-lenny-5-0-7-amd-64-connection-stops-running-864683/ |
| 07:47.57 | praecox | but he never got the response for this or any help. |
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| 07:51.54 | simonlnu | lenny is old |
| 07:51.56 | simonlnu | hmm |
| 07:52.03 | simonlnu | !listkeys 5708 |
| 07:52.04 | dpkg | Factoid search of '5708' by key (1): bcm5708. |
| 07:52.12 | simonlnu | !bcm5708 |
| 07:52.12 | dpkg | bnx2 is the in-tree Linux driver for Broadcom NetXtreme II 1Gb (BCM5706/5708/5709/5716) Ethernet controllers. Firmware from userspace is required since linux-2.6 2.6.24-7; ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-bnx2 package to provide. To provide firmware for device use at Debian installation time, ask me about <installer firmware>. See also <bnx2x>. |
| 07:52.36 | simonlnu | praecox: i imagine you have the firmware etc.? |
| 07:52.42 | ondrejk | hello, is there any tool for updating 100+ machines at one time? I would really apprecitiate it |
| 07:53.05 | simonlnu | puppet? unattended-upgrades? |
| 07:53.18 | praecox | simonlnu, yes, network is up and running. for some time... ;-) |
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| 07:53.53 | simonlnu | !bnx2x |
| 07:53.53 | dpkg | bnx2x is a driver for Broadcom Everest 10Gb (BCM57710/57711/57711E) Ethernet controllers, included in Linux since version 2.6.25. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-bnx2x package to provide. To provide firmware for device use at Debian installation time, ask me about <installer firmware>. The BCM84823 PHY is supported since linux-2.6 2.6.32-35. Not to be confused with <bnx2>. |
| 07:54.37 | simonlnu | praecox: maybe a newer firmware? does it even exist? |
| 07:54.46 | simonlnu | ,versions firmware-bnx2 |
| 07:54.48 | judd | Package: firmware-bnx2 on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 0.14+lenny2; lenny-backports/non-free: 0.27~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.32~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 0.34; wheezy/non-free: 0.34 |
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| 07:55.11 | simonlnu | looks like. maybe grabbing one of those, and possibly using a bpo kernel |
| 07:55.22 | ondrejk | simonlnu: do you have any experiences with unattended-upgrades? |
| 07:55.30 | simonlnu | could be that the issue has been dealt with already |
| 07:55.36 | simonlnu | ondrejk: nope |
| 07:55.45 | simonlnu | only that it works ok |
| 07:55.58 | ondrejk | simonlnu: for how many machines do you use it? |
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| 07:56.19 | praecox | simonlnu, well, I have installed the firmware during the installation process but I don't have the debian package itself installed on the machine. |
| 07:56.44 | simonlnu | ondrejk: oh, no full-on deployment or anything, just 1. but i do know it's used in your context |
| 07:57.13 | simonlnu | praecox: shouldn't be a problem |
| 07:57.27 | praecox | simonlnu, do you think that's necessary step to have it fully working? although it sees my NIC and network is working without that package. |
| 07:57.30 | simonlnu | praecox: /msg dpkg non-free for starters (here, not terminal) |
| 07:58.08 | simonlnu | praecox: it's probably 1) there already 2) doesn't need it to function, but maybe to be fully functional it does |
| 07:58.18 | ondrejk | simonlnu: ill give it a shot, thanks ;) |
| 07:58.39 | simonlnu | good luck and have fun |
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| 08:00.25 | simonlnu | praecox: usually a device will either need extra firmware to work properly at all, or need it to fully use the device. this is if it actually needs any extra firmware. |
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| 08:01.07 | praecox | simonlnu, I understand. well, I installed that package and will observe if problem still exists. |
| 08:01.30 | simonlnu | praecox: you'll need to reboot, or reload the module to get the effect |
| 08:01.49 | simonlnu | reload: modprobe -r module_name; modprobe module_name |
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| 08:12.18 | praecox | simonlnu, ok, will try - thank you! |
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| 08:19.00 | praecox | simonlnu, well, that's odd. after removine and reloading the module my network just hung. I restarted entire server and it works now. |
| 08:19.14 | praecox | simonlnu, will see if the reboot and installing the firmware package will help. |
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| 08:29.27 | Internat | hi guys. a friend of mine accidently had sid in his repository, and it looks like he upgraded a few things before i noticed it. is there a way to find out what packages are at a higher version than what is in squeeze? or foce it to downgrade everything thats not in stable? |
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| 08:30.56 | ooldirty | Internat: try dpkg -l | grep sid |
| 08:31.30 | mosno | Internat: apt-show-versions |
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| 08:31.43 | nvz | This new laptop shows the power light on the cord and the light on the machine indicating its plugged it yet after it reaches full charge the battery applet keeps saying about every 10min or so 100% full, discharging and doesn't show it being plugged in. Any suggestions on how to fix that? |
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| 08:34.25 | bash-x | hello! i try to built the V8 engine for Javascript in debian squeeze but return me errors :S like http://pastebin.com/dLiFyH2f.. anyone could help me? |
| 08:34.44 | bash-x | sorry for my bad english.. |
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| 08:37.40 | simonlnu | praecox: poop. did you take down the interface first? i forgot to mention that. |
| 08:38.20 | praecox | simonlnu, nope. lame me. but after reboot it works fine. will see what happens next. |
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| 08:38.56 | qdb | fixed |
| 08:39.41 | simonlnu | praecox: 'k. now it's just waiting i suppose ;). |
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| 08:40.04 | praecox | simonlnu, exactly. |
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| 08:40.32 | praecox | simonlnu, if I stop bothering you in next two days - it seems like you helped. thanks. |
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| 08:50.12 | Tasser | what's's ITP on the bugtracker exactly? |
| 08:50.27 | Tasser | I suppose the second part is 'to package' |
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| 08:52.21 | simonlnu | praecox: ok. np |
| 08:52.30 | simonlnu | intent |
| 08:52.43 | simonlnu | Tasser: ^^ |
| 08:53.06 | Tasser | ah oke |
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| 08:53.57 | simonlnu | !itp |
| 08:53.57 | dpkg | Intent To Package (ITP) is a Debian <bug> filed against the <wnpp> pseudo-package, to indicate someone is working on packaging a piece of software for Debian. This is done to avoid a duplication of work. |
| 08:54.15 | simonlnu | !rfp |
| 08:54.15 | dpkg | Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, a RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>. |
| 08:54.28 | simonlnu | !wnpp |
| 08:54.28 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp (refinable list at http://wnpp.debian.net/). Use wnpp-alert (from the <devscripts> package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
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| 09:05.23 | abchirk | since when listens inetutils on port 21? |
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| 09:07.16 | simonlnu | have an ftpd there? |
| 09:08.06 | abchirk | yes proftpd but when I start it, it says port already in use and lsof shows me that inetutils got this port... inetd.conf shows me a line starting with ftp. comment it? |
| 09:08.30 | abchirk | but there is proftpd in this line too? |
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| 09:10.58 | abchirk | ftp stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/proftpd |
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| 09:11.34 | abchirk | also when I restart inetutils and then proftpd log says: Failed binding to ::, port 21: Address already in use |
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| 09:14.49 | abchirk | mhh |
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| 09:18.29 | simonlnu | abchirk: yes comment it |
| 09:18.52 | simonlnu | abchirk: then proftpd can run standalone from the init script |
| 09:19.01 | abchirk | but for what is entry? |
| 09:19.18 | abchirk | okay.. but shouldn't start proftpd when I start inetutils? |
| 09:19.29 | simonlnu | from inetd is so that it's not always running |
| 09:19.53 | simonlnu | inetd passes the rquest on to proftpd to handle it |
| 09:19.57 | simonlnu | req* |
| 09:20.03 | abchirk | no warning no superservers activated |
| 09:20.24 | abchirk | ah so I should run proftpd in other mode than standalone |
| 09:20.38 | simonlnu | well, it's either/or |
| 09:20.53 | abchirk | so I commented it |
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| 09:21.29 | simonlnu | standalone implies it'll be running in the background constantly, started from the init script. disabling the init script, and enabling in inetd |
| 09:21.50 | abchirk | okay thank you its working again |
| 09:21.59 | simonlnu | will make it so inetd handles incoming requests. np. |
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| 09:31.18 | pozic | How can I remount my rootfs? |
| 09:31.43 | pozic | Instead of defaults, I used default by accident and now it doesn't boot anymore. |
| 09:32.01 | abchirk | how defaults? |
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| 09:32.47 | pozic | abchirk: defaults is an option. |
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| 09:33.36 | abchirk | but defaults sounds good |
| 09:33.44 | abchirk | was it crypted? |
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| 09:34.00 | pozic | abchirk: try to read before you respond. |
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| 09:34.15 | pozic | abchirk: (or visit a doctor) |
| 09:34.44 | abchirk | yoyo sry |
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| 09:37.23 | abchirk | why no livecd then? and chroot? |
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| 09:42.32 | pozic | abchirk: the problem has been solved already. |
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| 09:48.30 | guardian | hello, is the 'backup' default user that exists in debian meant to run my custom backup scripts? |
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| 09:49.02 | guardian | on other distros, i sometimes create a backup user myself + use sudo. or even directly make backup scripts run in root's crontab |
| 09:49.05 | guardian | which do you recommend |
| 09:49.57 | genius` | Hello everybody |
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| 09:55.24 | pozic | How can I list removable media in Gnome3.2? |
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| 09:56.55 | starenka | hi, i did a restart and suddenly i have no sound. alsamixer seems to be pretty saturated... any clue? (testing) |
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| 09:59.40 | valdyn | guardian: obviously you can use that user if you want to, but its probably better to leave that user for the system job it is given and use a new user for your purpose |
| 10:00.08 | valdyn | guardian: or just use root directly as you suggested |
| 10:00.17 | pozic | Google tells me that supposedly they included such support, but I cannot find it anywhere. |
| 10:00.32 | valdyn | pozic: its listed in nautilus |
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| 10:00.44 | pozic | valdyn: where? |
| 10:00.48 | pozic | valdyn: computer:///? |
| 10:00.54 | valdyn | pozic: yes |
| 10:01.02 | pozic | valdyn: but that's sort of 'expert knowledge'. |
| 10:01.10 | pozic | I thought Gnome was for dummies. |
| 10:01.30 | pozic | Is there another DE which is more suitable for dummies? |
| 10:01.36 | valdyn | pozic: how is that expert knowledge? |
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| 10:01.55 | valdyn | pozic: you think you need to type in "computer://" ? |
| 10:02.03 | pozic | valdyn: yes? |
| 10:02.38 | pozic | valdyn: ok, I get it. |
| 10:02.55 | valdyn | pozic: i cant look it up right now, but you dont need to type that in |
| 10:02.56 | pozic | valdyn: I would have preferred a popup, though. |
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| 10:03.28 | pozic | valdyn: there is a tiny icon listed indeed. |
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| 10:04.07 | guardian | valdyn: thx for the reply. btw i can see debian's backup user's home is /var/backups. there are files being backuped there. but editing backup's crontab doesn't show any script invocation. so when and how are those backup triggered. |
| 10:04.08 | guardian | ? |
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| 10:05.09 | pozic | guardian: no backups are made by default. |
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| 10:05.20 | valdyn | pozic: nonsense |
| 10:05.32 | guardian | pozic: there are files in /var/backups and i didn't do anything to have them |
| 10:05.47 | guardian | pozic: like passwd.bak shadow.bak and apparently apt/aptitude backups |
| 10:05.54 | pozic | guardian: that is for system files. |
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| 10:06.05 | pozic | guardian: not the user's home dir. |
| 10:06.26 | valdyn | guardian: see /etc/cron.daily/ |
| 10:06.39 | valdyn | pozic: its the backup users home dir |
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| 10:07.00 | pozic | valdyn: ok, right. The home directory of the user named backup. |
| 10:07.05 | guardian | it's /var/backups dir which is backup's home dir |
| 10:07.12 | guardian | yeah english quiproquo :p |
| 10:07.47 | valdyn | guardian: i havent looked into it, but i think those backups are managed by the packages owning those files, not some external backup system |
| 10:08.15 | guardian | valdyn: ah thx didn't even know about /etc/cron.daily/ i'm just a sysadmin noob. just using linux for programming but my interests in sysadmin are raising as i'm setting up continuous integration server + more automated tasks |
| 10:08.45 | ChrisH | I treat this backup user as a Debian internal backup user. It does not backup your data. |
| 10:08.56 | guardian | yeah i guess i won't use it |
| 10:09.11 | guardian | i'll just run my backupscript as root, as part of root's crontab |
| 10:09.29 | valdyn | guardian: are you backing up one or more than one host? |
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| 10:11.14 | guardian | it's a script that launches rdiff-backup and target is on another host through ssh |
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| 10:11.57 | guardian | but the target host is another debian box, with a /data/backups/hos1 /data/backups/host2 dirs |
| 10:12.15 | guardian | it's handcrafted but it's only 5 hosts at most so I didn't bother going bacula |
| 10:12.19 | valdyn | guardian: your know that backuppc exists right? |
| 10:13.21 | guardian | yeah i know but i don't know i'm used to duplicity and rdiff-backup :) |
| 10:13.48 | valdyn | guardian: i mean, i can see why you wouldnt want to learn or set up bacula, because its huge and convoluted, but backuppc is excellent for this type of setup |
| 10:14.10 | ChrisH | valdyn: good tip. I am using amanda for years and its working fine for me. |
| 10:14.22 | praecox | simonlnu, the problem appeared again. :-( |
| 10:14.30 | simonlnu | praecox: :( |
| 10:14.34 | praecox | simonlnu, this time kernel ooped. |
| 10:14.51 | simonlnu | ouch. though that can be a blessing in disguise |
| 10:14.53 | praecox | and it seems it's the same thing as is in here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/404708 |
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| 10:15.32 | praecox | simonlnu, looks like turning gso solved the problem for them. |
| 10:15.41 | praecox | turning gso off* |
| 10:15.55 | guardian | valdyn: apparently you're using backuppc, do you backup windows hosts with it? |
| 10:16.24 | valdyn | guardian: yes, but that is tricky to set up |
| 10:17.12 | guardian | hmm it does winxx backups over samba. i bet it doesn't play well (or doesn't play at all) with window's volume shadow copy feature |
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| 10:17.28 | simonlnu | praecox: i've seen that on a sis900 actually. i think someone's been messing with nic drivers, and not fixing them. |
| 10:17.41 | valdyn | guardian: i recommend it only for unix-type machines, for windows you need to setup machanisms to use vss, which is done by custom scripts |
| 10:17.54 | guardian | ok |
| 10:18.02 | simonlnu | seen it on one other nic driver too, a tulip |
| 10:18.39 | valdyn | guardian: Im using vss, not samba though, ssh and rsync for windows |
| 10:18.48 | guardian | ok |
| 10:19.03 | praecox | simonlnu, so what do you suggest? |
| 10:19.40 | simonlnu | what i did is stop using it, and switched nic, because i thought it was a hardware issue. |
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| 10:20.08 | praecox | simonlnu, oh, ok. that sounds promising. ;-) |
| 10:20.14 | simonlnu | hehe |
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| 10:22.32 | simonlnu | praecox: up to you what you wanna do. personally, i'd run with that gso thing off. |
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| 10:22.52 | simonlnu | praecox: try it, might solve it. but it doesn't really solve it. |
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| 10:23.28 | simonlnu | praecox: submit the oops msg to the debian kernel team via the bts |
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| 10:23.39 | simonlnu | and describe the problem |
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| 10:28.31 | praecox | simonlnu, will give it a try. |
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| 10:32.39 | simonlnu | praecox: good luck. i'll be doing some of this too, now that there's a possibility of this being s/w and not h/w like i thought |
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| 10:34.05 | dokma | I've bought a 2TB for backup and have set it up already. Now I have 2 identical 160GB drives that I would like to put in mirror for redundancy. From what I understand I need one partition for the kernel outside the raid and I can put the rest in the raid. Is this correct? Also where would be a good place for the swap partition? |
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| 10:34.53 | praecox | simonlnu, yea, kind of. definitely it's not a network problem - either router or switch, checked that. |
| 10:35.10 | praecox | simonlnu, I'd say it's a bug in bnx2 driver. |
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| 10:35.31 | simonlnu | praecox: i'm thinking it might be even lower than that |
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| 10:35.51 | thewanderer1a | hi. what is the easiest way to install packages non-interactively? how will debconf be handled if I have no pty? |
| 10:36.14 | streuner_ | Arent you able to configure debconf? |
| 10:36.48 | thewanderer1a | configure to do what exactly? not ask questions? |
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| 10:38.00 | streuner_ | yes, dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
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| 10:38.43 | thewanderer1a | it would be best to leave it at defaults system-wide I think |
| 10:39.48 | thewanderer1a | some runtime env variable, perhaps? or apt-get argument? |
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| 10:43.05 | scanf | does everything that is in /etc/modprobe.d/ that you name *.conf get executed |
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| 10:57.40 | ChrisH | On my Debian unstable installed Laptop I see complete system stops (I assume a kernel panic) from time to time. It just happened while starting a VM in virtualbox. It often happens while working with LibreOffice. memtest was fine. What can I do to improve logging to get an idea whats going on here? installed kerne-image 2.6.30-1-amd64. |
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| 10:58.59 | GNU\colossus | 2.6.30 on unstable? |
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| 10:59.28 | ChrisH | Tpyo: 2.6.39-1 |
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| 11:02.26 | xwalk | Is there an option for redirecting the extracted files to a specified destination? |
| 11:02.35 | xwalk | Using tar, I should mention. |
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| 11:03.42 | ooldirty | xwalk, e.g. "tar xzf somefile.tar.gz -C /path/to/destination? |
| 11:04.07 | ChrisH | cd destination; tar cvf file.tar ? |
| 11:04.36 | xwalk | ChrisH, Does it just extract to the working directory by default? |
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| 11:05.17 | ChrisH | gnu-tar does it. UNIX[tm] tar acts different |
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| 11:06.07 | xwalk | ooldirty, That did it. I wasn't understanding that option in the manual pages very well. |
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| 11:21.10 | raju | some one can help me with nect connection in debian please |
| 11:21.18 | raju | internet connection |
| 11:21.20 | ksk | ask your question |
| 11:21.57 | raju | ksk: hi man , I wanna connect to internte with my Debian 6 but i dont have GUI netwrok manager |
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| 11:22.13 | anddam | hello |
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| 11:22.48 | anddam | slightly OT, do I need to own a directory to set it ctime/mtime as said in http://goo.gl/xvGHT ? |
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| 11:23.46 | anddam | I noticed I had error rsyncing to my squeeze even my debian user is group owner of remote dir and has write access |
| 11:23.54 | pozic | How do I configure Debian such that inserting any USB mass storage device results in mounting it such that anyone can read and write to it? |
| 11:23.57 | raju | ksk: i did "ifconfig eth0 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx broadcast xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx netmask 255.255.255.0 |
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| 11:24.05 | raju | x means my ip iddress |
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| 11:24.30 | anddam | raju: that broadcast seems wrong |
| 11:24.41 | pozic | I added /dev/sdd1 /media/test vfat users,umask=1000,rw,noauto 0 0 to fstab |
| 11:25.09 | pozic | But if I reinsert, it will happily mount ro on /dev/sde1, ad infinitum. |
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| 11:25.37 | pozic | Given this, it seems impossible to mount it like I want. |
| 11:26.05 | pozic | The whole internet basically is full of copies of lines like the one above (the fstab). |
| 11:26.17 | pozic | But it doesn't work, as said before. |
| 11:26.44 | raju | anddam: hi , if you dont mind could you please give the corect way , please include all steps even they are snaller |
| 11:26.48 | raju | smaller* |
| 11:27.17 | fredddd | Does anyone have any experience with lighttpd regular expressions with rewrite and redirect? I am having a problem which seems to be impossible to fix. =/ |
| 11:27.33 | ooldirty | fredddd: what is it? |
| 11:27.41 | anddam | raju: consider I don't know what you're talking about, I joined just before the line to which I replied |
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| 11:28.30 | fredddd | ooldirty, I have setup a rewrite so pages are accessible without writing their extension (page1.html accessible through page1). |
| 11:28.41 | raju | anddam: i wanna connect to internet from a LAN in debian but i dont have GUI network manager |
| 11:28.49 | fredddd | Works fine, but I want pages to be available only through one link, if people manually visit page1.html I want them to be redirected to page1. |
| 11:29.04 | fredddd | url.rewrite-once = ( "^/$" => "/" ) |
| 11:29.04 | fredddd | url.rewrite-if-not-file = ( "^([^?]*)(\?.*)?$" => "$1.html$2" ) |
| 11:29.10 | fredddd | So far, the code making the rewrite work. |
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| 11:30.54 | fredddd | ooldirty, do you think you could help me? |
| 11:32.02 | ooldirty | fredddd: I can try, it doesn't look like the regexp is your problem, though. |
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| 11:32.53 | ooldirty | what would an example URL with the expected vs. actual rewrites look like? |
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| 11:35.13 | anddam | raju: the broadcast address is not your address, it's calculated from your address and subnet mask |
| 11:35.24 | anddam | raju: and you're not there anymore… |
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| 11:36.50 | fredddd | ooldirty, from my own experience, having tried it, made it redirect endless internally. |
| 11:37.06 | fredddd | The user would redirect from page1.html to page1, while page1 rewrites to page1.html, and lighttpd redirecting internally. |
| 11:37.49 | user0_ | Hello, i want to insert a live video stream (rtp) on a web page, it is possible ? |
| 11:38.06 | ooldirty | user0_: no, i would leave that to the professionals. |
| 11:38.37 | user0_ | Why ? |
| 11:38.54 | user0_ | I can see somes live webcam streams on the web |
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| 11:39.38 | dokma | is there a way to query a running rsync and find out what it's doing? |
| 11:39.59 | anddam | user0_: and I thought my question was way too OT |
| 11:40.34 | anddam | dokma: you could redirect output, use a verbose flag and check that |
| 11:41.01 | dokma | anddam: it's a process that's been running for the last hour |
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| 11:41.18 | ooldirty | fredddd: my first guess would be that lighttpd is interpreting that request as "page1.html.html" which is hitting the "not-file" rewrite again (file1.html.html.html) and so on. |
| 11:41.19 | dokma | I need to query it live to find out how far it got |
| 11:41.26 | anddam | dokma: if it's using you could stop it |
| 11:41.30 | raven^ | How can I change my servers name in /etc/hostname without restarting it? |
| 11:41.35 | anddam | using -P* |
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| 11:41.51 | dokma | it doesn't, what does -P do? |
| 11:42.01 | anddam | raven^: I doubt you need to restart after editing /etc/hostname |
| 11:42.03 | fredddd | ooldirty, hm. |
| 11:42.11 | ooldirty | dokma: try strace -p `pidof rsync`; it sometimes spits out filenames if you told it to do that... |
| 11:42.27 | raven^ | anddam: Shell still gives old hostname :S |
| 11:42.30 | dokma | ooldirty: why didn't I think of that... |
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| 11:42.43 | anddam | raven^: you probably want to make the change effective now, check hostname |
| 11:43.00 | anddam | raven^: ask dpkg |
| 11:43.26 | anddam | !tell raven about hostname |
| 11:43.34 | raven^ | anddam: reason I ask is, my server is called one name, but in the shell it gives root@K764: instead of the name |
| 11:43.37 | ooldirty | fredddd: does the lighttpd documentation indicate you have to handle the query strings mid-rewrite the way you're trying to? |
| 11:43.47 | dokma | ooldirty: yup, it revealed on file name ... it was enough |
| 11:43.51 | anddam | raven^: maybe your prompt isn't printing the hostname |
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| 11:44.35 | raven^ | anddam: Anything I have to set myself to work? |
| 11:44.41 | anddam | dokma: you have access to remote part, why didn't you directly check that? |
| 11:44.51 | pozic | How can I make sure that all users can read and write to all USB keys inserted? |
| 11:44.59 | dokma | anddam: what do you mean? |
| 11:45.15 | standoo | can anyone help me with getting my email from dovecot? |
| 11:45.17 | pozic | It seems kind of ridiculous that this isn't the case by default. |
| 11:45.34 | pozic | Physical access means game over theoretically anyway. |
| 11:45.39 | standoo | i can read my emails using this commaind when i ssh to my server "mutt -f imaps://john@mydomain.com@localhost" |
| 11:45.46 | dokma | pozic: granting global read and write to anything under linux is blasphemy |
| 11:45.54 | standoo | but when i try to read it remotely at "john@mydomain.com", it doesn't work? |
| 11:46.00 | dokma | it will never happen by default |
| 11:46.02 | anddam | dokma: you checked file currently parsed by rsync with strace, didn't you? |
| 11:46.15 | anddam | raven^: can you brief what the issue is? |
| 11:46.17 | dokma | no, I straced rsync process |
| 11:46.22 | pozic | dokma: I thought for a minute that the computer is there to do what I want. |
| 11:46.28 | dokma | which revealed which file is being transferred |
| 11:46.36 | anddam | dokma: how's that different from what I wrote? |
| 11:46.48 | pozic | dokma: isn't there some easy way to enable it anyway? |
| 11:46.58 | dokma | pozic: and not to do what you don't want which will start happening very quickly if you start allowing stuff left and right |
| 11:47.03 | dokma | pozic: think windows |
| 11:47.07 | pozic | dokma: I am talking about USB storage devices. |
| 11:47.18 | pozic | dokma: what can possibly go wrong if that happens? |
| 11:47.18 | dokma | you should check the automounter |
| 11:47.23 | fredddd | ooldirty, what I am trying to do, it really does not indicate at all. |
| 11:47.28 | ooldirty | pozic: have you tried to root a recent ubuntu distribution? physical access does not necessarily mean game over... :p |
| 11:47.30 | pozic | dokma: the automounter seems to do it based on specific devices. |
| 11:47.37 | raven^ | anddam: Let's say my server is called shell.raven.se, but the shell prints out root@K764 instead of root@raven..how can I fix? |
| 11:47.42 | dokma | my system mounts my stick under my username |
| 11:47.47 | fredddd | ooldirty, the closest to doing something special, is having redirects occur before rewrites or something, or the other way around, but I am at loss right now. =c |
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| 11:47.55 | fredddd | ooldirty, I will show you the two things I have tried. |
| 11:48.00 | pozic | ooldirty: I don't see how Ubuntu has any relevance. |
| 11:48.04 | dokma | pozic: I don't know the details but perhaps you can modify the permissions that get assigned |
| 11:48.15 | pozic | dokma: perhaps is useless. |
| 11:48.20 | pozic | dokma: so, basically you don't know shit? |
| 11:48.28 | anddam | raven^: edit PS1 shell variable (assuming you're on bash) |
| 11:48.30 | pozic | dokma: then don't come up with random stories. |
| 11:48.35 | ooldirty | pozic: check out the way automounting behaves in ubuntu. that is what you want, correct? |
| 11:48.44 | pozic | ooldirty: I think it is. |
| 11:48.47 | ooldirty | because that is exactly what you're describing. |
| 11:48.52 | anddam | raven^: echo $PS1 |
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| 11:48.55 | pozic | ooldirty: but then again, I haven't used ubuntu a lot lately. |
| 11:49.02 | fredddd | ooldirty, url.redirect = ( "(^.*)\.html$" => "$1" ) <- this caused a browser redirect error. |
| 11:49.11 | dokma | anddam: you wrote: you checked file currently parsed by rsync with strace |
| 11:49.15 | pozic | ooldirty: I just want 'user inserts USB key, user can write to the device' |
| 11:49.21 | dokma | anddam: to me that is very different from stracing a process |
| 11:49.21 | pozic | ooldirty: how hard can it be? |
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| 11:49.31 | dokma | I didn't strace a file but a process |
| 11:49.36 | raven^ | anddam: |
| 11:49.36 | raven^ | root@K764:/home/raven# echo $PS1 |
| 11:49.36 | raven^ | ${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$ |
| 11:49.37 | fredddd | ooldirty, url.redirect = ( "\.html" => "" ) <- made the redirect work, but the page I ended up was entirely blank. |
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| 11:50.33 | dokma | pozic: you're too grateful, you're killing me |
| 11:50.45 | pozic | dokma: grateful for wasting my time? |
| 11:50.52 | anqxyr | Hello again everyone. I've been here a few hours ago with a flash problem. I just wanted to say that on fresh installation with xdce+iceweasel (instead of awesome+firefox) flashplugin-nonfree still returns an error, but manually putting .so in to ~/.mozilla/plugins works perfectly. Just in case someone will find that info useful. |
| 11:50.53 | anddam | dokma: let me rephrase by moving words: you checked with strace [the] file currently [being] parsed by rsync |
| 11:50.55 | pozic | dokma: that seems to provide the wrong incentives. |
| 11:51.00 | ooldirty | pozic: i'll be the first to admit that i haven't worked with your problem personally. this looks like a good place to start though: http://wiki.debian.org/AutoFs . If you've already been there, my apologies. |
| 11:51.01 | dokma | pozic: there's a nice way to say it |
| 11:51.06 | pozic | dokma: I will thank you when it actually works. |
| 11:51.09 | anddam | raven^: that \h is your hostname |
| 11:51.15 | pozic | ooldirty: I already looked there. |
| 11:51.27 | pozic | ooldirty: thanks anyway. |
| 11:51.34 | ooldirty | meh, was worth a shot. gotta go play with hw back in a bit |
| 11:51.45 | dokma | anddam: I don't know if english is your mother tounge, but what you are saying is that I checked a file with strace |
| 11:51.51 | dokma | which I did not |
| 11:51.58 | anddam | raven^: it's not, that's why I rephrased |
| 11:52.09 | dokma | I checked a process with strace to reveal the file currently being processed by rsync |
| 11:52.33 | anddam | raven^: using one's mother language syntax is a hard habit to die |
| 11:52.48 | dokma | I think you think the same but the way you're saying it is not very accurate at all |
| 11:53.05 | raven^ | anddam: i read up on a website, and running 'hostname' prints out "K764" so I should be able to change with the 'hostname' command? |
| 11:53.12 | anddam | raven^: did you read the message dpkg sent you? |
| 11:53.21 | anddam | dokma: are you english speaker? |
| 11:53.21 | raven^ | anddam: Didn't get one.. |
| 11:53.34 | anddam | !tell raven^ about hostname |
| 11:53.42 | dokma | anddam: no |
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| 11:54.00 | raven^ | anddam:I fixed it, used "hostname data" and it changed to data. Thanx :) |
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| 11:54.14 | anddam | dokma: so maybe we've another issue in the trasmission chain |
| 11:54.39 | dokma | anddam: think putting a comma after strace or after file in your sentence |
| 11:54.43 | dokma | and you'll understand |
| 11:54.49 | dokma | it's an ambiguous sentence |
| 11:54.53 | anddam | anyway |
| 11:55.08 | anddam | dokma: since you're using an rsync command you've likely access to the remote host |
| 11:55.16 | dokma | I do |
| 11:55.32 | anddam | you could have checked the remote host to check how far the sync was |
| 11:55.53 | dokma | the remote host is the one that is rsyncing over to my desktop machine |
| 11:56.08 | dokma | and it's doing an update of a folder that was already transferred |
| 11:56.15 | fredddd | ooldirty, I can ship along redirect codes, would that help divert it properly? |
| 11:56.22 | dokma | so there is no way of telling how far it got by looking into the folder |
| 11:56.28 | anddam | I see |
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| 11:56.54 | dokma | but strace -p pid eventually spewed out a filename and that was all I needed |
| 11:57.22 | dokma | I do remember though that some linux utility had the ability to print out a status report when some signal was sent to it |
| 11:57.29 | dokma | so I hoped rsync could do the same |
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| 12:01.03 | Morpheme | hi, sharing my print with Windows works well.. i'm trying to share scanner now |
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| 12:01.31 | knubbze | Hi, I have PXE-booted a lenny rescue image; just how do I run the installer now? |
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| 12:02.16 | petemc | why didnt you pxe boot the installer? |
| 12:02.22 | Morpheme | i have some problems with inetutils-inetd, is xinet better? |
| 12:02.40 | Morpheme | or openbsd-inetd |
| 12:03.02 | knubbze | petemc: can't, my idrac don't support virtual media and the only image I had ready was a rescue image |
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| 12:05.26 | xwalk | Anyone know why my ssh would be causing the network to drop? |
| 12:05.43 | knubbze | just going to debootstrap it I guess |
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| 12:06.11 | fredddd | xwalk, log the network data? |
| 12:06.24 | fredddd | If it is not data overload, could be a software issue in one of the network devices in operation. |
| 12:06.28 | fredddd | Consider a firmware upgrade. |
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| 12:07.31 | pzn | which is a good imap server for about 30 accounts and 5000 messages per account, in a machine with 512Mram? |
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| 12:08.27 | simonlnu | dovecot, cyrus |
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| 12:22.52 | meta-coder | Why does cpp and cpp-doc packages conflict each other? |
| 12:23.30 | jordanm | meta-coder: it conflicts with older, obsolete versions |
| 12:23.43 | jordanm | ,conflicts cpp |
| 12:23.45 | judd | Package cpp in squeeze/i386 -- conflicts: cpp-doc (<< 1:2.95.3). |
| 12:24.34 | jordanm | ,versions cpp-doc |
| 12:24.36 | judd | Package: cpp-doc on i386 -- lenny/contrib: 5:2; sid/contrib: 5:3; squeeze/contrib: 5:3; wheezy/contrib: 5:3 |
| 12:24.48 | jordanm | meta-coder: that version is probably *really* old |
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| 12:25.04 | gulzar | anybody can guess which kwin theme is this http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Workspace-Strap+Effect?content=143857&PHPSESSID=caa977854bc8894e12f927e1e5c6e875 ? |
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| 12:26.18 | praecox | simonlnu, unfortunately gso didn't help. here's what I get now: http://pastebin.com/AaMVMtU4 |
| 12:26.39 | praecox | simonlnu, the good thing is that it recovers automatically lost connection, but still... |
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| 12:29.13 | ChrisH | praecox: You are facing a network hang, right? (Just to confirm what I see from the paste) |
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| 12:30.53 | burhan | a simple question - whats the difference between say - xcfe4 and i3? Are they both the same thing? |
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| 12:31.25 | cthuluh | xfce4 is a desktop environment ; i3 is a window manager |
| 12:31.28 | praecox | ChrisH, yes, exactly. |
| 12:31.37 | praecox | ChrisH, not regular, unexpected, momentary. |
| 12:32.02 | burhan | cthuluh: what does the desktop environment do that the window manager doesn't? Like docs and icons, is that a desktop manager thing? |
| 12:32.12 | burhan | err, desktop environment, not desktop manager. |
| 12:32.14 | ChrisH | praecox: Did you check cable and switch? |
| 12:32.32 | praecox | ChrisH, yes, definitely not the case. I eliminated that possibility for sure. |
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| 12:32.57 | cthuluh | burhan: a desktop environment is a set of programs rather tightly integrated, that may come also with its own window manager |
| 12:33.41 | cthuluh | burhan: it is generally considered easier to use especially by recent users, since it gives you a graphical access to many settings |
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| 12:33.48 | ChrisH | praecox: These 'bnx2: peth0 NIC SerDes Link is Up, 1000 Mbps full duplex' look strange to me. |
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| 12:34.14 | burhan | I just need a better version of 'screen', because most of my linux machines run in vm. So in that case I think I need something like i3. |
| 12:34.53 | meta-coder | Why aren't all contrib packages made available in the installation media sets? |
| 12:35.03 | cthuluh | nope ; neither i3 not xfce4 are alternatives to GNU screen |
| 12:35.09 | cthuluh | nor* |
| 12:35.16 | praecox | ChrisH, it looks strange, but I'm in 100% sure it's not related to any hardware issue outside the server. might be the driver, firmware or the NIC hardware problem. |
| 12:35.32 | cthuluh | meta-coder: because they depend on non-free packages, perhaps.? ;) |
| 12:35.42 | praecox | ChrisH, what's odd, it never happened before on the same hardware (exact same machine) before I upgraded to squeeze. |
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| 12:36.19 | cthuluh | burhan: you could use Xorg on your vms, and thus use xfce4 or i3, but else the only alternative to GNU screen I can think of is tmux |
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| 12:37.55 | jordanm | meta-coder: most contrib package depend on a non-free packages |
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| 12:38.46 | ChrisH | praecox: Is there a second NIC in the system to cross swap? |
| 12:39.17 | praecox | ChrisH, there is eth1. same NIC. |
| 12:39.33 | robin_sz | so, whats the easiest way to get php5.3.x on a lenny box? |
| 12:40.03 | ooldirty | robin_sz: http://dotdeb.org |
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| 12:40.14 | dokma | my kernel should not be on raid correct? |
| 12:40.27 | ooldirty | dokma: why not? |
| 12:40.38 | dokma | I thought I heard that somewhere |
| 12:41.12 | robin_sz | ooldirty, yeah, I tried that, but not a lot happened, somthing about invalid NO_PUBKEY |
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| 12:41.33 | dokma | ooldirty: I have 2 identical 160GB drives so if I put them in mirror and put my current system on it all should work just fine? |
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| 12:41.52 | ChrisH | dokma: my server habe /boot on /dev/mdX ; you need to make sure both disks are bootable |
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| 12:42.17 | burhan | cthuluh: I meant, an easier way to have multiple terminals open on a screen (I know screen can do lots more, like detatching, reattaching, etc.) |
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| 12:42.57 | ooldirty | dokma: that should be fine. check your boot loader's documentation as you may need to pass special flags ( lilo... ) to tell it which drives are mirrored |
| 12:43.16 | ChrisH | praecox: if it is possible, cross swap the NICs or only swap config from eth0 and eth1; Cross swapping would make more sense. |
| 12:43.17 | dokma | I'm on grub |
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| 12:44.47 | robin_sz | theres obviously some magic cli foo needed that the dotdeb.org people are too lazy to put on the "instructions" page |
| 12:44.58 | ooldirty | like what |
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| 12:45.09 | ooldirty | like in the section titled "do this if you're using lenny" ? |
| 12:45.19 | robin_sz | did that |
| 12:45.23 | robin_sz | added the key |
| 12:45.27 | ooldirty | then what's the problem? |
| 12:45.30 | robin_sz | ran apt-get update |
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| 12:45.37 | robin_sz | ran apt-get upgrade |
| 12:45.43 | robin_sz | php not updated |
| 12:46.32 | ooldirty | oh so the instructions page told you to run apt-get upgrade? or was that just you winging it? |
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| 12:46.57 | robin_sz | well, no they instructions said you can just run update, thats all |
| 12:47.16 | ooldirty | try apt-cache search php and see if you can pick out the different sources for the php5 packages. |
| 12:47.30 | robin_sz | reads the page again |
| 12:47.56 | user0 | I'm searching for a window manager. Where can i have a list with descriptions or comparaison ? Ty |
| 12:48.32 | praecox | ChrisH, that's not really possible right now, I'm away from the server currently. |
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| 12:48.55 | praecox | ChrisH, but I'd rather say it must be something related to firmware/driver. |
| 12:49.04 | ChrisH | praecox: full-ack |
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| 12:49.22 | ooldirty | user0: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=linux+window+manager+comparison# |
| 12:49.36 | robin_sz | ooldirty, nope, just the usual list of packages |
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| 12:49.53 | praecox | ChrisH, yea, but the question is: is there anything I can do right now? |
| 12:49.53 | user0 | don't like lmgtfy |
| 12:49.57 | ooldirty | what happens if you run apt-get -s install php5 |
| 12:50.08 | ChrisH | Didn't we yesetrday had the Q on Broadcom Wlan NICs not beeing usable with Kernel 3.1.0? |
| 12:50.23 | ChrisH | praecox: if there is HP Support on, ask them for a replacment part |
| 12:50.45 | ooldirty | honestly, i'm not trying to be difficult. you may need to specify the repository like with backports. |
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| 12:51.11 | praecox | ChrisH, but what would replacing change if it's not hardware-related problem? |
| 12:51.16 | robin_sz | could be, just why cant theyput it in the isntruction? |
| 12:52.28 | ChrisH | praecox: It will prove its not a HW issue. This is a standard approach. :) Replacing HW is easier then fixing SW problems. |
| 12:52.30 | ooldirty | i don't think that's the case. i don't remember having trouble with dotdeb before. are you sure you added the right repo (lenny, instead of accidentally squeeze) ? |
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| 12:54.14 | robin_sz | not as far as I can see. I'll delete the caches and try again, might just be stuck |
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| 12:55.22 | robin_sz | that seems to have done it :) |
| 12:55.38 | robin_sz | thnaks, normal service is restored, i shall now stop whining :) |
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| 12:56.53 | anddam | dokma: "I do remember though that some linux utility had the ability to print out a status report when some signal was sent to it" |
| 12:57.00 | anddam | dokma: you're probably referring to dd |
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| 12:58.34 | robin_sz | gah! php 5.2.15-0.dotdeb :(( |
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| 12:58.48 | robin_sz | sorry, -17 |
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| 13:10.03 | markings_ | Hello, I'm having a problem getting MySQL to start and I'll paste the relevant log in a moment.. |
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| 13:14.15 | markings_ | http://pastebin.com/YSQwnAQf |
| 13:15.10 | jordanm | ,versions mysql-server |
| 13:15.12 | judd | Package: mysql-server on i386 -- lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-backports: 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.1.49-3; sid: 5.1.58-1; wheezy: 5.1.58-1; experimental: 5.5.17-4 |
| 13:15.29 | jordanm | !dotdeb |
| 13:15.30 | dpkg | it has been said that dotdeb is for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/ , but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. The packages from backports.debian.org are vastly superior. Ask me about <backports> and <debian-backports>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" |
| 13:15.32 | markings_ | It starts normally with the original /etc/mysql/my.cnf file, however, as soon as I replace with another my.conf with changes to reduce memory consummation |
| 13:15.32 | babilen | markings_: You are obviously using dotdeb packages which we can not support. |
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| 13:16.06 | markings_ | babilen: Perhaps, I'll try #mysql |
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| 13:18.42 | abrotman | you should probably try reaching out and strangling the guy that suggested you use dotdeb |
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| 13:27.18 | pzn | simonlnu, thanks |
| 13:28.09 | ChrisH | How do I build kernel modules using dkms? I need to build broadcom-sta modules for 3.1 Kernel and only 2.6.39-1 is visible in my aptitude search? |
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| 13:28.42 | valdyn | ChrisH: dpkg-reconfigure the *-dkms package |
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| 13:29.27 | ChrisH | there is only a broadcom-sta-source package |
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| 13:30.12 | valdyn | ChrisH: you can use module-assistant then |
| 13:30.17 | valdyn | ChrisH: or read "man dkms" |
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| 13:30.39 | valdyn | ChrisH: however "m-a a-i broadcom-sta" is probably easier |
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| 13:32.54 | siryo | HELLO |
| 13:32.58 | siryo | hello |
| 13:33.04 | siryo | !list |
| 13:33.04 | dpkg | siryo: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 13:33.25 | ffk27__ | english please |
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| 13:33.41 | valdyn | ffk27__: feel free to fix the factoid |
| 13:34.21 | ChrisH | valdyn: "m-a a-i broadcom-sta" made it.. THANKS! |
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| 13:35.11 | siryo | !list |
| 13:35.11 | dpkg | siryo: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 13:36.10 | ffk27__ | !list |
| 13:36.11 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
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| 13:36.43 | siryo | !list |
| 13:36.43 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 13:36.52 | siryo | hello |
| 13:36.55 | valdyn | dpkg : forget list |
| 13:36.59 | valdyn | dpkg: forget list |
| 13:37.05 | valdyn | !test |
| 13:37.05 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 13:37.07 | siryo | forget list |
| 13:37.27 | siryo | !list |
| 13:37.27 | dpkg | siryo: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 13:38.37 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
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| 13:40.15 | project2501b | hey guys. i am in the installer in rescue mode. i switched over to vt2. i am trying to add the rsync package so i can use rsync. can you please tell me what should i google for? i tried looking for "add package debian rescue" but no luck. |
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| 13:43.14 | himmelstrutz | im trying out a Huawei wodem, hspa+ e1820. I am able to send sms with 'mobile partner', but hasn't been able to connect to the internet yet. but,,, since I am able to send sms, the internet connection should work too, right? (but how) |
| 13:43.16 | himmelstrutz | ? |
| 13:43.52 | project2501b | no. |
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| 13:44.06 | project2501b | sms data are being handled within the carrier signal |
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| 13:44.16 | project2501b | not in the 3g connection |
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| 13:44.40 | project2501b | you have to set the AP details |
| 13:44.49 | project2501b | which should be available from your mobile carrier |
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| 13:45.01 | himmelstrutz | project2501a, ah. what does AP mean? |
| 13:45.34 | stephan48 | access point/provider |
| 13:45.47 | project2501b | "Access Point". but it is not the same as the access point in a wifi network |
| 13:45.49 | himmelstrutz | alright, |
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| 13:46.55 | himmelstrutz | one thing, is that - im not sure how to say this in english -the "coverage" seem to be low, or none. of course, that could be a problem! :-/ |
| 13:47.21 | valdyn | himmelstrutz: signal strength |
| 13:47.39 | himmelstrutz | valdyn, yes. there's in no signal! :-) |
| 13:47.47 | himmelstrutz | -in |
| 13:49.12 | himmelstrutz | this is my fathers wodem, so I am just trying it out in linux,. but since I live far away from the city im not sure if it will work, but I have friends that have gotten it to work in other parts of this small village |
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| 13:50.56 | himmelstrutz | is there any way to check if something is wrong? since I can send sms, all drivers must work - right? so thus can only be an issue with the lack of signal strength, right? |
| 13:51.15 | valdyn | himmelstrutz: if you can send sms you obviously have some signal |
| 13:51.27 | project2501b | what nate said |
| 13:51.29 | project2501b | i mean valdyn |
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| 13:52.07 | valdyn | himmelstrutz: why would you be telling us that you have no signal when you have proof of the contrary? |
| 13:52.10 | himmelstrutz | valdyn, project2501a: I can give you a screen dump showing that I haven't got any signal... |
| 13:52.12 | stephan48 | maybe the signal is there but just not strong enougth for data services |
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| 13:52.53 | himmelstrutz | hold on,... gonna screen dump. |
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| 13:54.34 | himmelstrutz | is there any site like pastebin for images? |
| 13:54.56 | stephan48 | google for image hoster |
| 13:55.13 | bindi | sure, www.snag.gy, though, they insert ads under images, but adblock will solve that :) and they don't work on opera |
| 13:55.14 | himmelstrutz | http://www.dumpt.com/img/ -- |
| 13:55.33 | eevo | himmelstrutz: there's ompldr, imgur, tinypic, minus.com |
| 13:55.36 | eevo | and a lot of others |
| 13:55.37 | bindi | snag.gy lets you paste from clipboard :p |
| 13:55.43 | himmelstrutz | alright, thanks folks.. |
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| 14:00.09 | ooldirty | hai #debian, i like to make #facebook post from twitter. how do? |
| 14:00.34 | jordanm | what does that have to do with debian? |
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| 14:00.52 | ooldirty | vis-a-vis imgur? |
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| 14:04.01 | himmelstrutz | ok, took some time, here goes - no signal: http://www.dumpt.com/img/viewer.php?file=t03k348ay1stumq998r4.png |
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| 14:04.49 | stephan48 | that only says that you dont have any profiles configured or? |
| 14:05.19 | martianlobster | could someone point me to a link that tells how to install debian without root, but instead adds the first user to the skudoers file? |
| 14:05.21 | himmelstrutz | look in the corner down to the left, thats the signal strength, yes? |
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| 14:06.05 | stephan48 | if i understand installer correctly you just leave the root pw empty |
| 14:06.19 | stephan48 | and you get a sudo setup |
| 14:06.49 | valdyn | martianlobster: thats not supported, youll have to do that yourself |
| 14:06.50 | devilchaos | hi guys this is kinda awkward tryed for a response in general linux channel and is off topic according to psi-jack so id like to ask it here if i may? |
| 14:06.59 | Psi-Jack | Wow. |
| 14:07.16 | devilchaos | to do with unetbootin and win7 trying to install on a netbook |
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| 14:07.25 | Psi-Jack | devilchaos: unetbootin is probably off topic here in general. |
| 14:07.26 | Psi-Jack | :p |
| 14:07.37 | devilchaos | well dude abrotman usually trys to help me and he is nice |
| 14:07.40 | stephan48 | just ask if someone dont like your question he will make you know it |
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| 14:08.11 | valdyn | devilchaos: sounds like your question does not even touch debian remotely |
| 14:08.25 | himmelstrutz | stephan48, I was told I didn't need to fill in any profile configs, but thats not true? |
| 14:08.30 | devilchaos | valdyn appreciated |
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| 14:08.59 | devilchaos | room suggestion? |
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| 14:09.34 | valdyn | devilchaos: looks to me like theres plenty instructons on google |
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| 14:10.08 | devilchaos | yeah that too but thought real time would be better anyways thanks |
| 14:10.15 | devilchaos | :) |
| 14:10.42 | stephan48 | himmelstrutz: you must configure a profile, how should your modem know otherwhise who to talk to |
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| 14:11.14 | himmelstrutz | stephan48, ok! doing it now.. haah. |
| 14:11.29 | himmelstrutz | (thanks for the answer btw) |
| 14:11.51 | stephan48 | :) |
| 14:11.52 | stephan48 | np |
| 14:12.41 | himmelstrutz | holy smokes! it works! my father told me I didn't need to do anything, so thats why.... thanks a bunch. |
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| 14:13.33 | stephan48 | np |
| 14:13.42 | stephan48 | maybe he got it configured at his device |
| 14:13.58 | stephan48 | and thougth because of that it would work with you too |
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| 14:16.33 | abrotman | devilwhere'd eh go ? |
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| 14:16.37 | nvz | how do you get scp to allow spaces scp host:/path/to/directory\ with\ spaces or doing "directory with spaces" both fail |
| 14:17.09 | himmelstrutz | ok, it seemed to work. but it doesn't. if I make a ifconfig it shows a new pppd connection with an ip, etc, but I couldn't use it to connect to the any website, or other site. |
| 14:18.16 | nvz | apparently you have to be redundant and do "directory\\ with\\ spaces" |
| 14:18.17 | himmelstrutz | with the information I' |
| 14:18.39 | himmelstrutz | 've got I shouldnt put in any info since all its dynamic, dns, ip, etc |
| 14:19.25 | stephan48 | maybe you need to place a route to the pppd? |
| 14:20.00 | himmelstrutz | stephan48, sorry, but I have no idea how to do that. |
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| 14:20.25 | nvz | himmelstrutz: with the route command, or use dhcp so it'll do it for you |
| 14:20.45 | himmelstrutz | nvz, ok. but what should I route it to? |
| 14:21.00 | nvz | hell if I know I don't even know what you're talking about |
| 14:21.31 | himmelstrutz | nvz, 'dhcp', the command doesn't exists. |
| 14:23.02 | himmelstrutz | is there any /etc file I could modify for this? |
| 14:23.45 | stephan48 | idk sry |
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| 14:25.28 | himmelstrutz | 'route add default ppp0' seems to work.... |
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| 14:27.07 | tdrusk | I need a replacement for nm-applet that uses network manager. I don't like that it is an applet and would prefer a program that can open, setup, and get out of my way. |
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| 14:27.58 | nameless` | hello |
| 14:28.19 | nameless` | how can i set my dns resolver so that it will not being set later by dhcp ? |
| 14:28.30 | nameless` | i want to use my own, and not the one provided by the fai |
| 14:28.51 | nameless` | but i want it to be automatic, i get bored modifying the resolver.conf by hand |
| 14:29.01 | nameless` | resolv.conf* |
| 14:29.21 | nameless` | (fai = isp) |
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| 14:31.38 | steampunkey | hey does anyone know how to get a CD ROM serial number using one of the default tools? |
| 14:32.48 | burhan | steampunkey: a what? |
| 14:34.16 | ChrisH | anyone using DRAC? how to show the powerstatus of the host system? |
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| 14:35.56 | steampunkey | slow #debian day. |
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| 14:36.50 | hivemind | oh |
| 14:37.20 | hivemind | how i can move window control buttons to the left side of a window? |
| 14:37.22 | hivemind | on LXDE |
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| 14:38.31 | iceroot | hi, lenny is still supported with sec-updates? |
| 14:38.47 | cwebber | does debian generate a preseed file after an install that you can store away to repeat that install? |
| 14:39.06 | iceroot | because the last sec-mails only saying fixed in sqeeze, qheezy, sid, nothing about lenny (normally there is a text called lenny is not affected) |
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| 14:40.11 | steampunkey | hivemind: use openbox configuration manager (find it). in appearance, there's a string you can modify to see what you want |
| 14:40.51 | steampunkey | hivemind: (just put window title *after* the buttons) |
| 14:41.33 | steampunkey | anyway, about the cd rom serial number: I'd use hdparm -I /dev/cdrom, but i'm not able to run it as a normal user |
| 14:41.52 | Mogget | I need to get grub to boot up the Windows partition on this machine without the choice screen at boot. Is this possible? |
| 14:42.49 | Mogget | In other words, the only way to boot other OS is to use an escape sequence at boot so that when i wish to use my computer again, I can access my Debian installations. |
| 14:43.26 | steampunkey | Mogget: you could just set the timeout to 0... |
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| 14:44.03 | jhutchins_wk | Mogget: Set a timeout, make Windows the default. |
| 14:44.37 | Mogget | Ok, so its possible to configure grub to do this. thanks. Ill google a little to find how :) |
| 14:44.39 | jhutchins_wk | Mogget: Edit /etc/default/grub to make the changes. |
| 14:44.59 | jhutchins_wk | Mogget: The notes in the file should be adequate to what you want to do. |
| 14:45.10 | steampunkey | jhutchins_wk: doesn't he have to run grub-mkconfig then (not installed by default)? |
| 14:45.33 | steampunkey | s/then/afterwards |
| 14:47.01 | Mogget | Yeah, the config file will be more than enough to explain how to do this. Thank you all. |
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| 14:49.24 | jhutchins_wk | steampunkey: It's update-grub, and yes, Mogget, run update-grub when you're done making changes. |
| 14:49.31 | jhutchins_wk | (I think it says that in the notes.) |
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| 14:50.26 | steampunkey | jhutchins_wk: i found my thing mentioned in grub.cfg *shrugs* |
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| 14:52.32 | Mogget | It doesn't say how to choose which order the OS should be in, but that should not be a problem to find out. However it does tell me to use update-grub when done. |
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| 14:55.23 | Mogget | Ah, changing the leading numbers for the windows section in /etc/grub.d will let me choose the order. |
| 14:56.08 | jhutchins_wk | Mogget: You need to change the "default". |
| 14:56.25 | jhutchins_wk | I suppose changing the numbers would work, but it's not the usual method. |
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| 15:01.32 | lcars47 | hello everyone |
| 15:02.12 | steampunkey | hmm. people say reading directly from /dev/cdrom should give a serial number, but the RW ones i tried don't seem to have any. i should probably just create my own quasi-unique nr based on the drive's contents & stuff. |
| 15:03.02 | lcars47 | the lacks of serial number is a good thing not to be messed up |
| 15:04.01 | steampunkey | lcars47: what do you mean? i'm not quite even sure how come there are cd's with no serials. somehow i think the utils i'm using just aren't reading them (hdparm -I /dev/cdrom for eg.) |
| 15:04.03 | lcars47 | untraceable equipment and data is REAL freedom of data. |
| 15:04.58 | lcars47 | every cd (just about) has a serial number, I thought that you meant the drive |
| 15:05.50 | steampunkey | lcars47: hmm. hdparm is probably (not) giving me the drive's serial then... |
| 15:06.13 | lcars47 | the best equipment is unserialized. |
| 15:07.01 | lcars47 | look on the white sticker of the drive to get the serial number |
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| 15:07.50 | steampunkey | lcars47: heh. i know there's a physical imprint of the serial, that's not what i'm after though |
| 15:08.04 | lcars47 | oh |
| 15:08.09 | petemc | hwinfo --cdrom shows unique id and parent id |
| 15:08.11 | petemc | whatever they are |
| 15:08.38 | lcars47 | hwinfo shows everything |
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| 15:09.02 | steampunkey | petemc: thanks, but i'm trying to find a proggy usable by a normal user, and installed by default |
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| 15:15.26 | steampunkey | wow, hwinfo segfaults |
| 15:18.22 | steampunkey | i guess i'll just use creation time from /dev/cdrom |
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| 15:30.14 | sinisterstuf | hi, my volume in the gnome panel (and also in alsamixer) is at it's highest yet it is still quiet, it used to be louder and then I think an update occurred, it seems to be hard to google for, does anybody have any suggestions? |
| 15:31.56 | lcars47 | use amidi |
| 15:32.03 | lcars47 | that might help |
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| 15:47.45 | sinisterstuf | lcars47, thanks for the suggestion, amidi looks like it's for playing midi files though; I'm just trying to play regular music files
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| 16:19.39 | pozic | Why does Squeeze allow mounting as a normal user and Unstable not? |
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| 16:20.10 | pozic | Also, autofs is not documented and pmount also appears to be not documented. |
| 16:20.43 | pozic | How am I supposed to use this undefined crap? |
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| 16:21.17 | petemc | best stick with squeeze, then |
| 16:21.45 | fbs | also works in wheezy |
| 16:21.53 | pozic | petemc: one of them is already Unstable (only because there is no 'downgrade' method). |
| 16:21.57 | pozic | fbs: how? |
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| 16:22.11 | gribouille | hi |
| 16:22.19 | pozic | autofs only has some website of some random person as 'documentation'. |
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| 16:22.25 | pozic | It is more like a silly tutorial. |
| 16:22.35 | gribouille | how can I prevent a package from being updated? |
| 16:22.37 | fbs | pozic: as in automount works |
| 16:22.40 | pozic | There is also a /usr/share/doc/autofs entry which is also useless. |
| 16:22.54 | pozic | fbs: yes, but can you write to it as a normal user? |
| 16:22.54 | jasonleds | Free PSN Store Codes http://www.points2shop.com/?ref=uin1328881016 |
| 16:23.02 | fbs | pozic: yeah |
| 16:23.18 | pozic | fbs: ok, that's odd. |
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| 16:23.34 | pozic | fbs: anyway, do you have any idea what I need to change to make it work? |
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| 16:23.40 | fbs | got the whole udev/polkit ck-launch etc working? |
| 16:24.04 | pozic | fbs: I didn't configure anything special for udev on that machine. |
| 16:24.11 | pozic | fbs: I do have it installed. |
| 16:24.17 | fbs | gribouille: man apt_preferences iirc? |
| 16:25.47 | iiiii | Im want to file an ITP using the reportbug tool and I have a question for anyone that can help. Am I supppsed to include a url to the .deb package or the while source code? |
| 16:26.25 | iiiii | s/While/Whole/ |
| 16:26.41 | fbs | pozic: well i dont really know much about this stuff |
| 16:26.51 | fbs | i know udev&polkit take care of it |
| 16:26.55 | gribouille | I run sudo aptitude hold firefox, but it doesn't seem to modify the status of firefox |
| 16:27.34 | fbs | is firefox a deb pkg? |
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| 16:28.04 | gribouille | fbs, of course |
| 16:28.22 | pozic | fbs: what are the names of those packages exactly? |
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| 16:28.59 | fbs | pozic: policykit libpolkit libudev etc |
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| 16:31.56 | pozic | I get Reinstallation of policykit is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 16:32.06 | pozic | My internet is working just fine. |
| 16:32.17 | pozic | (I just did apt-get update for example) |
| 16:32.42 | fbs | policykit-1 should be in stable testing and unstable |
| 16:32.54 | fbs | policykit isnt in testing |
| 16:33.18 | pozic | fbs: weird error message then. |
| 16:33.26 | fbs | pozic: running testing? |
| 16:33.28 | pozic | fbs: your suggestion worked. |
| 16:33.38 | pozic | fbs: no, Unstable. |
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| 16:49.14 | lasers | Hi. Is there a "PureGnome" command from KDE/XFCE? |
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| 16:49.39 | lcars47 | sinisterstuf, it should work on all sound files |
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| 16:52.37 | jhutchins_wk | !remove kde |
| 16:52.37 | dpkg | To remove or purge KDE: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libkdecore5. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
| 16:52.41 | jhutchins_wk | !remove xfce |
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| 16:53.37 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions firefox |
| 16:53.39 | judd | No package named 'firefox' was found in i386. |
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| 16:54.01 | peterrooney | jhutchins_wk: looks like you get to write the factoid. |
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| 16:54.13 | jhutchins_wk | grandie: firefox isn't a debian package. |
| 16:54.44 | jhutchins_wk | peterrooney: Yeah, not gonna install xfce and figure out what else it might need right now. |
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| 16:55.09 | jhutchins_wk | peterrooney: Doing a DB2 upgrade. Biting fingernails while database restores. |
| 16:56.13 | grandie | jhutchins_wk: I'm running Iceweasel |
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| 16:56.47 | lasers | jhutchins_wk: Thank you. |
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| 16:58.20 | notmyname | I've got a packaging question: what happens (on systems with the package installed) if the package version stays the same but the checksum changes? |
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| 16:59.11 | dany75 | ciao |
| 16:59.30 | notmyname | does apt simply compare the version and do nothing? or does the checksum get compared and then the package is reinstalled? |
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| 17:09.38 | Gynter_ | Witam |
| 17:10.00 | Gynter_ | Hello |
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| 17:16.49 | arietis | how can i remove latest installed package with dependencies it installed? |
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| 17:18.00 | ondrejk | hi, just small poll. what are you linux sysadmin must-have apps? |
| 17:18.17 | Migaaresno | ls |
| 17:18.27 | Migaaresno | screen |
| 17:18.29 | Migaaresno | ssh |
| 17:18.40 | pizza_biz | rm -rf </bofh> |
| 17:18.43 | arietis | is it for test to get a job? |
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| 17:19.00 | Migaaresno | sl is a good app too. |
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| 17:20.07 | ondrejk | arietis: no |
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| 17:20.53 | arietis | top is must have then |
| 17:20.54 | arietis | :D |
| 17:21.20 | babilen | pizza_biz: Don't do that |
| 17:21.24 | babilen | arietis: htop |
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| 17:21.48 | gcmalloc | babilen, agreed |
| 17:22.08 | babilen | arietis: Please define "latest installed packages" |
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| 17:22.21 | gcmalloc | ondrejk, puppet |
| 17:22.45 | arietis | babilen: i just installed murmur but it's GUI-based so i wan't to roll back |
| 17:22.53 | arietis | want* |
| 17:23.02 | babilen | Let's stop the poll, or take it to #debian-offtopic. There is absolutely no point in mentioning every single program that is known to manking now. |
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| 17:23.59 | babilen | arietis: "apt-get purge murmur ; apt-get autoremove" or "aptitude purge murmur" -- See "man apt-get" and "man aptitude" for some details. |
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| 17:24.13 | Davespice | have we got any LXDE people here? |
| 17:24.16 | arietis | babilen: thanks |
| 17:24.31 | babilen | Davespice: I guess that you are more successful in #lxde |
| 17:24.38 | robin_sz | oh poop ... the dotdeb to PHP5.3.8 worked fine .. my random sites all work a treat ... except all my Joomla sites can no longer connect to the database :( |
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| 17:24.43 | Davespice | oh okay cool |
| 17:24.56 | Davespice | I'll remember that for Monday |
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| 17:25.16 | robin_sz | notes this is what happens when you do dangerous things like us dotdeb |
| 17:25.54 | babilen | arietis: You might also want to read the Debian reference (/msg dpkg reference) and http://debian-handbook.info/files/2011/11/chapter-apt-free-sample.pdf |
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| 17:32.53 | mosno | what's the fastest way to audit/uninstall unwanted packages? |
| 17:33.02 | mosno | i know there's a few options so i'm seeing if i'm missing a good way |
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| 17:34.02 | babilen | mosno: Which packages are unwanted? |
| 17:34.23 | mosno | babilen: a few desktop environments and all the associated cruft |
| 17:34.48 | mosno | babilen: theoritically the auto deps of aptitude would uninstall it all but this doesn't always work for some reason |
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| 17:35.01 | babilen | mosno: So, purge them and make sure their dependencies are removed as well. (automatically with aptitude, "apt-get autoremove" for apt-get) |
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| 17:35.44 | babilen | mosno: Which desktop environments in particular? |
| 17:36.09 | mosno | babilen: there's no single package i can purge which pulls the rest out via auto deps |
| 17:36.13 | mosno | afaik |
| 17:36.17 | mosno | babilen: i'm not sure of that yet :) |
| 17:36.46 | babilen | mosno: Ok -- it really depends on that and on the way you've installed it. |
| 17:36.58 | mosno | babilen: i've got gnome3, lxde, xfce and kde installed |
| 17:37.04 | mosno | babilen: i installed them all via aptitude |
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| 17:37.07 | babilen | mosno: See all the "remove kde", "remove gnome", ... factoids (/msg dpkg remove gnome) |
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| 17:37.46 | babilen | mosno: Ok, you are not on Debian stable then? In that case the "remove FOO" package lists in the factoids are probably not entirely appropriate. |
| 17:37.48 | mosno | babilen: see, i don't know why it has to be that hard (find the lowest deps)... isn't this why auto deps exist? |
| 17:37.58 | mosno | babilen: sid |
| 17:38.19 | babilen | mosno: aptitude automatically removes dependencies unless *another* manually installed package still has a depency on them. |
| 17:38.42 | mosno | babilen: let me put that to the test, then |
| 17:38.44 | babilen | mosno: You might be happy to hear that #debian-next on irc.oftc.net is a channel specific for wheezy/sid support. |
| 17:39.07 | mosno | babilen: i'm in there already, but i generally chat in here because it has more people and i figure most people in here run testing/unstable anyway |
| 17:39.31 | babilen | mosno: Huh? I would be very surprised if that were the case. |
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| 17:39.49 | babilen | So, lets take it over there. |
| 17:39.51 | mosno | babilen: ok |
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| 17:58.42 | trippy | hello.. im looking for support with a stange problem.. my computer runs great for a while,, then suddenly goes black.. |
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| 17:59.11 | idimmu | thats the power saving screensaver |
| 17:59.16 | idimmu | wiggle the mouse |
| 17:59.27 | trippy | thats not it.. |
| 17:59.35 | trippy | ill be in the middle of using it.. |
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| 18:00.32 | trippy | it flickers a quick black flash every minute or so until it just goes black for good.. |
| 18:00.43 | trippy | tty7 is the only one affected.. |
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| 18:01.06 | trippy | is there a way to restart the gui if that occurs again.. |
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| 18:01.39 | trippy | anyone??? |
| 18:02.41 | trippy | i have another os set up on another partition so i know its software not hardware related.. |
| 18:03.23 | trippy | is there a channel i could join???? |
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| 18:11.20 | trippy | ????????????????????????? anyone really here?? |
| 18:12.10 | epsilon | no, all spambots |
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| 18:20.14 | technologov__ | ha ha |
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| 18:21.04 | technologov__ | trippy, u can restart GUI -- but it is a bad way |
| 18:21.13 | technologov__ | 1. disable screensaver |
| 18:21.30 | technologov__ | 2. if doesn't help, then disable ACPI kernel module |
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| 18:27.41 | gucki | is there any chance that the fix for http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=613444 will be backported to squeeze? i think it's a very grave bug.. :( |
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| 18:37.01 | epsilon | can't you use LVM? so partition -> raid -> lvm, intsead raid -> paritions |
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| 18:40.27 | tuxxie | I seem to be having issue installing debian using the netinstall image today. It seem to be only when i try accessing via IPv6. Has anyone else had issues accessing Debian mirrors today? |
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| 18:42.01 | epsilon | v4 mirror is working? |
| 18:42.16 | tuxxie | yes |
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| 18:43.12 | epsilon | *shrugs* I'd install via v4 and check v6 later |
| 18:43.18 | tuxxie | but when accessing via v6 my installs timeout on different parts of the install. |
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| 18:46.55 | tuxxie | epsilon: Thats a great idea.... :-) |
| 18:47.51 | tuxxie | I was just reaching out to see is anyone else had the same issue. |
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| 18:55.35 | trippy | :technologov__: how do i turn off the acpi kernel module?? |
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| 19:03.32 | mankand007 | hi all.. |
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| 19:07.11 | technologov__ | hi |
| 19:08.52 | mankand007 | i installed squeeze using the first cd.. but it didn't install network-manager.. the only way i connect to internet is via mobile phone, which works out of box in ubuntu... i need to install this in debian, so that i can access internet.. is there any way i can download this package in ubuntu, and install it in squeeze? |
| 19:09.38 | brianmwaters | yes |
| 19:09.55 | brianmwaters | packages.debian.org |
| 19:10.09 | brianmwaters | you'll need network-manager and gnome-network-manager, plus any dependencies |
| 19:10.35 | brianmwaters | you might have to sort the dependencies out yourself, unfortunately. unless someone else here knows better |
| 19:10.51 | brianmwaters | and then, you can install the packages with dpkg or apt on the command line |
| 19:10.54 | brianmwaters | hope that helps |
| 19:11.09 | babilen | mankand007: You need the dependencies as well though -- Tools such as apt-zip/apt-walkabout might ease that task, but it would probably be *much* easier to just install from DVD1 as network-manager is on it and will be available after the initial installation. Otherwise: Acquire network access (temporarily) by other means. |
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| 19:12.13 | babilen | mankand007: Given that you already installed you can also download additional CDs and add them apt-cdrom. See "/msg dpkg cd content" for techniques to find out which packages are on which Cd |
| 19:12.16 | mhall119 | does keryx work for debian? |
| 19:12.25 | brianmwaters | i connect via a wifi hotspot, and i usually just wire straight in, download the packages for wireless over the hard connection, install, and go wireless to finish the install |
| 19:13.10 | mankand007 | unfortunately, i downloaded the cd when i had a broadband connection...but for now i'm stuck with a mobile phone for another month... so, can't download the cd/dvd now... |
| 19:13.50 | mhall119 | mankand007: keryx might be an option, but their website is being completely redisgined right now, so I can't check |
| 19:13.53 | babilen | brianmwaters: I really can't tell you which packages you need, but apt-zip can create a list of them and creates a wget script to download needed packages. |
| 19:13.59 | mhall119 | mankand007: you can probably ask in #keryx on freenode though |
| 19:14.24 | mankand007 | mhall... pls tell me what keryx is... |
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| 19:17.00 | feb | Hi. On newer versions of Debian, is python2.x available as python2 in the path ? |
| 19:17.33 | babilen | feb: No, python, pythonX.Y and python3 |
| 19:17.55 | feb | :( |
| 19:18.05 | babilen | feb: python2 would break a huge number of scripts and will not be introduced. |
| 19:18.15 | babilen | feb: Why the sad face? |
| 19:18.22 | feb | It should, it's a PEP recommendation |
| 19:18.25 | feb | http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0394/ |
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| 19:18.37 | babilen | missed that |
| 19:19.00 | babilen | feb: That is a Draft and has not yet been accepted. |
| 19:19.40 | feb | true. but it makes a lot of sense. |
| 19:20.42 | babilen | feb: It might be that we end up shipping python2 as symlink to whatever the default python2 version is on the system. python will keep on referring to python2.X though -- you can be sure that this will be implemented in due course if the PEP is accepted. |
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| 19:20.49 | mhall119 | mankand007: it's a GUI program that lets you download a package and all it's dependencies from another computer, even windows, so you can install it to an offline system |
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| 19:21.05 | mhall119 | I've used it on Ubuntu before, but I'm not sure if it supports Debian too |
| 19:21.07 | feb | babilen: keeping python as a link to python2 makes sense |
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| 19:21.24 | feb | that's also what the PEP proposes |
| 19:21.41 | mankand007 | ohh... i'm now typing from ubuntu... do i nstall keryx in ubuntu, and get the network-manager package from here? |
| 19:21.46 | r00trunner | hi how can i load my own kernelmodules (example.ko) at boottime?? |
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| 19:22.07 | babilen | feb: Sure -- I misunderstood your initial question a bit in the sense that you asked about changing the version "python" would refer to. Sorry if I caused any misunderstandings. |
| 19:22.16 | killfoo | hi! i have installed debian testing with a v3 kernel. how can i install a 2.6 kernel? |
| 19:22.33 | mhall119 | mankand007: you can try, you have to setup a project with a 'base distro', that is the packages you should already have on a target distro, then it'll download any others + dependencies |
| 19:22.35 | babilen | feb: I see the merits of this PEP and guess that it will be accepted and implemented. As of now there is no python2 though. |
| 19:22.47 | mhall119 | if kerys has a debian 'base' then you can do it |
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| 19:23.23 | mhall119 | mankand007: like I suggested before, ask in #keryx on freenode, if someone is there they can tell you for sure whether it'll work or not |
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| 19:23.42 | feb | the PEP says CPython 2.7.3 would use the new convention |
| 19:23.47 | mankand007 | thanks mhall! |
| 19:23.52 | mhall119 | np |
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| 19:25.27 | babilen | feb: Let me put it like this: We will do our best to provide whatever upstream thinks is best unless we have very good reasons not to. I would expect this PEP to be eventually implemented, but I guess that this won't happen in time for wheezy. (it might though) |
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| 19:26.03 | feb | babilen: thanks for the info |
| 19:26.34 | feb | I don't blame Debian. But the current situation is a mess. :( |
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| 19:27.13 | killfoo | do i have to manually compile a kernel 2.6 on wheezy? |
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| 19:27.50 | babilen | feb: Well -- In a way it isn't. "python" == Python 2.X and "python3" == Python 3.X ... It's just that some distributions decided to change the version for "python" (a *very* bad decision IMHO) |
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| 19:29.14 | feb | babilen: I find it also a very bad decision |
| 19:29.31 | feb | although I can understand the reasoning. |
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| 19:30.09 | babilen | That might be different in, say, 5-10 years, but right now it is just irresponsible. |
| 19:30.31 | caravel | Hi there, cf. dups across volumes, I've searched even more : what I'd need seem to be something between fslint and strigi : some daemon that would run on each host, would compute sha1+ for every file under given paths, store them in some sqlite located on each volume, and be queriable over ssh... |
| 19:30.49 | Seamus | I have some debian squeeze machines that are failing to power save -- how can I find out what is interfering with this? Is there a program I can run? |
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| 19:32.04 | babilen | feb: I can understand their reasons (python is *unversioned* and people might argue that it should always get you the latest release) -- The problem is that python3 is not backwards compatible (you probably know that already) and this introduces too many special cases for scripts that use /usr/bin/python or /usr/bin/env python (which are quite frequent) |
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| 19:32.58 | feb | babilen: I agree 100% with you. |
| 19:33.44 | caravel | [...] Fslint GUI is really what I'd need, but obvious issues are that it loose all after every run, runs locally only (and has many X deps, I'd need only the findup cli tool but I guess that last one is easily solvable) |
| 19:34.28 | babilen | feb: So in short: My prediction would be that python2 appears as a symlink/alternative within Debian after upstream accepts the PEP and that python will mean python2 for the foreseeable future. |
| 19:34.53 | caravel | [...] Strigi looks really interesting, does anyone know if it can be installed, again, without any X, and if there are remote clients eg over ssh that are already developed ? |
| 19:35.11 | feb | yup. And in the meantime there's no clean cross platform way to handle it |
| 19:35.42 | feb | which probably means some will probably not follow the convention :( |
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| 19:36.15 | babilen | feb: Frankly I don't think that Debian is to blame for that, but I feel your pain. You might want to ship scripts that make use of pythonX.Y |
| 19:37.58 | feb | babilen: even harder. I don't know which .y version the user has. |
| 19:38.02 | babilen | feb: All that being said: I would encourage you to discuss this topic in #debian-python on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) as they probably know much more about it than I. (not being an active member of the python team) |
| 19:38.12 | babilen | feb: right *sigh* |
| 19:38.43 | feb | oh, didn't know #debian-python |
| 19:38.53 | feb | thanks for the tip. |
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| 19:40.06 | r00trunner | how can i load my own kernel modules at boottime? |
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| 19:41.13 | killfoo | r00trunner there are multiple ways.. maybe through /etc/modprobe.d or /etc/rc.local |
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| 19:41.18 | Dulak | r00trunner: add the name of the module to /etc/modules and it should be loaded on boot |
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| 19:42.05 | babilen | feb: I would use python for python2 and python3 for Python3.Y right now and just ask users of distributions that violate that assumptions to edit your script. If you would create distribution specific packages (deb/rpm/arch-whatever/ebuild/...) you can probably work around this issue. |
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| 19:42.51 | caravel | [...] Between, given the time I've searched for this, and the rather very very common need it represents, I assume (so well described in rdfind home page intro...) I'm quite surprised not to have found any existing FLOSS solution so far. Have I just lost any ability to search the web ? :/ |
| 19:43.46 | r00trunner | Dulak: i've tried, but i think i made something wrong.let's say i have the module test.ko, what would i have to write into /etc/modules? i've tried '~/test.ko' but i didn't work |
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| 19:45.48 | guest009 | did you use modprobe and see what it shows? |
| 19:45.59 | Dulak | r00trunner: well for one thing it's the module name, without a location or the .ko, for another you put the .ko into /lib/modules somewhere |
| 19:46.33 | guest009 | modprobe test |
| 19:46.56 | Dulak | r00trunner: and since you are learning how to rootkit a box, I am going to stop helping you now. I suggest if you want to do what you are doing you learn to read documentation because as soon as guys like me figure out what you are doing we will stop helping. |
| 19:47.09 | guest009 | hahaha |
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| 19:47.41 | guest009 | nowadays, you can beat any hacker in one click |
| 19:48.04 | guest009 | it just takes 0.1 second |
| 19:48.27 | Dulak | Really? And what magical clickable button is this? |
| 19:48.29 | nvz | o.O |
| 19:48.45 | guest009 | yeah, alt-f4 |
| 19:48.46 | CellKill | guest009, so, can I get a local account on your box? |
| 19:49.04 | guest009 | i don't think so |
| 19:49.10 | CellKill | neither did I |
| 19:49.16 | guest009 | because i don't know what to do |
| 19:49.21 | guest009 | hahaha |
| 19:49.29 | Dulak | But you got your magic button man, you can make the hackers look dumb! |
| 19:50.25 | guest009 | ctcp is a good start for your hacking |
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| 19:51.04 | CellKill | guest009: Just fwiw, viruses/malware/etc... are harder to remove than ever. The most advanced are loading themselves before or with the kernel (yes windows has a kernel too). |
| 19:52.06 | guest009 | we have a truck of windows weapons to handle that |
| 19:52.09 | Dulak | I had one a couple months ago that the guy reflashed the bios on the intel motherboard and the virus bootstrapped from the bios. It took me forever to figure that out, and it was nasty as hell. |
| 19:52.59 | brianmwaters | guest009: windows weapons? |
| 19:53.12 | guest009 | debian impressed me. it's gnash is awesome. |
| 19:53.20 | Dulak | Thankfully the majority of exploits are by dumbasses, because if they were all as good as this guy was we'd be in serious trouble. |
| 19:53.49 | CellKill | guest009: fyi, if the virus/malware loads in the kernel it can only be removed by booting from a rescue/winpe/livelinux image or from another computer |
| 19:54.00 | guest009 | i don't care people crack my ram |
| 19:54.11 | CellKill | guest009: lol, trololololo |
| 19:54.34 | guest009 | just one click, they are fscked |
| 19:55.03 | Dulak | You keep believing that, buddy. You'll go real far in this industry. |
| 19:55.29 | Dulak | Prolly be VP of IS at some windows shop by the time you're 30. |
| 19:55.40 | brianmwaters | what the hell is guest 009 talking about |
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| 19:56.01 | simonlnu | smoking crack |
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| 19:56.13 | ompaul | it's all offtopic from what I see |
| 19:56.17 | Dulak | He's either trolling or just really dumb. Either way he has a future as a windows guru, and will go far. |
| 19:56.17 | guest009 | the debian livecd is awesome |
| 19:56.29 | simonlnu | ompaul: sure is |
| 19:56.31 | guest009 | i like its gnash |
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| 19:56.57 | brianmwaters | guest009: what's so great about it? i have always just used the proprietary flash player and been happy w/ it |
| 19:56.59 | simonlnu | i suggest /ignore or have an op remove them |
| 19:57.11 | brianmwaters | (trying to get on topic) |
| 19:57.14 | guest009 | debian is getting more strong than before |
| 19:57.23 | brianmwaters | how so? |
| 19:57.26 | ompaul | guest009: have you a debian question? |
| 19:57.48 | guest009 | let me think |
| 19:57.56 | ompaul | guest009: the answer is no |
| 19:58.13 | brianmwaters | ompaul's right, this belongs in #debian-offtopic |
| 19:58.30 | guest009 | hum |
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| 19:59.10 | caravel | wouldn't mind if anyone was kind enough to try answering his own very debian-related question :) |
| 19:59.40 | brianmwaters | caravel: no need to ask, just ask |
| 19:59.46 | simonlnu | caravel: fslint? |
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| 20:00.30 | caravel | brianmwaters: I've done so 25min ago, I refuse to fllod the chan repeating until at least half an hour have past :) |
| 20:00.36 | Dulak | caravel: what you want is not secure, so it doesn't exist. tripwire comes the closest but it's designed for you to keep the checksums offline to prevent tampering. |
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| 20:00.37 | caravel | flood* |
| 20:00.43 | caravel | simonlnu: yes |
| 20:01.03 | Sickness\ | I'm getting "mount: you must specify the filesystem type" when I try to mount a lv from my LVM |
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| 20:01.27 | simonlnu | Sickness\: man mount. freebie : -t fstype |
| 20:01.33 | Sickness\ | I dont think I set up a fs when I was setting up the lvm during setup for this one |
| 20:01.41 | caravel | Dulak: yes of course, it is secure because the volumes are exclusive access (no tampering) during the time of the merge/consolidation |
| 20:01.47 | Sickness\ | well I did that but every type is invalid simonlnu |
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| 20:01.53 | simonlnu | Sickness\: in the installer, or just regular? |
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| 20:01.54 | caravel | Dulak: but thanks, let me search for this tool you mentioned |
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| 20:01.56 | serjs | lvcreate -> mkfs |
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| 20:02.00 | Dulak | Sickness\: you can't mount a partition, you mount a filesystem that is on a partition |
| 20:02.01 | Sickness\ | during the debian setup |
| 20:02.25 | stevieman | has anyone setup a .pac file? I'm not sure if I'm in the right place or not? |
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| 20:02.38 | simonlnu | it should have prompted you to do that, unless you ignored it, in which case you'll need to mkfs /dev/thepartition |
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| 20:02.47 | Sickness\ | hm |
| 20:02.53 | stevieman | I don't know if the problem with my .pac is in the JS or the server config |
| 20:02.56 | Dulak | caravel: I mean in the sense of being remotely queryable, which would make the checksums vulnerable to tampering |
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| 20:03.00 | Sickness\ | well I did a manual instead of guided since I already created the lvm before the setup |
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| 20:03.34 | caravel | Dulak: oh, I'm not sure to understand. Why would that remote factor introduce any tampering risk ? |
| 20:03.44 | simonlnu | uh |
| 20:03.58 | Sickness\ | yeah that worked simonlnu, thx |
| 20:04.09 | simonlnu | np |
| 20:04.22 | Dulak | caravel: if the checksums are on the filesystem you check, and someone roots you, they can rewrite files, and then rewrite the checksums so they match and your tool won't flag the file as changed. |
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| 20:04.48 | caravel | Dulak: remote access is exclusively over ssh |
| 20:05.36 | caravel | Dulak: the simple issue I have is that data is duplicated and located in different disk types (ide, sata) in different hosts. Running any checksum over ssh would get silly performance-wise |
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| 20:06.09 | caravel | so far it's all over lan, but if I find a solution I'd love to use it across the net (still over ssh) |
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| 20:06.41 | Dulak | caravel: It's storing the checksums locally that is the problem, you would do the checksum locally but store them off the machine. I thought from your description you were looking for a way to monitor file changes, not find duplicate data. |
| 20:07.23 | caravel | Dulak: oh, my fault then (bas description). In essence rsync would be absolutely great IF it could deal with renames of files and folders and dups :D |
| 20:07.32 | eigar | Netinstal here only gives 2MB/s. Have not checked out anything much, but is a local mirror the way to go - or is it custom to be able to buy bandwidth from mirroring sites. (Prorbably a per site Q I guess.) Off office hours and only checking around. |
| 20:07.35 | caravel | Dulak: once it's all sync'ed I'll look at ldsync |
| 20:07.51 | caravel | Dulak: (to push rsync) |
| 20:08.03 | Dulak | caravel: yeah I just misunderstood the problem, ignore everything I said as not applicable. |
| 20:08.20 | eigar | ll |
| 20:08.26 | caravel | Dulak: ok thanks anyway |
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| 20:10.20 | Dulak | eigar: most of the mirrors do have some throttling happening, which is maybe why you are seeing a cap like that. All you can really do is try several and go with the fastest. If you need more speed, say for many machines on your lan, you'd mirror a repo on your lan and point to that instead of the official mirror |
| 20:10.53 | caravel | meant lsyncd, not ldsync by the way |
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| 20:15.05 | eigar | Dulak: tywm. I've tested several. But 2.xx is highest. I'll mirror for now. Check with service/provider/... later. |
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| 20:16.25 | Dulak | eigar: well from experience kernel.org is one of the few that don't throttle, or at least have a very high bar for throttling, the rest seem to cap a single stream at various speeds. |
| 20:16.57 | Dulak | eigar: if you are used to getting higher speeds on downloads, your ISP probably won't be the issue |
| 20:17.33 | technologov__ | not just assumptions... it seems they also violate the LSB |
| 20:17.43 | technologov__ | about python3 |
| 20:17.59 | technologov__ | http://refspecs.linuxbase.org/LSB_4.0.0/LSB-Languages/LSB-Languages.txt |
| 20:18.10 | technologov__ | +test-suite to make sure it is compatible |
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| 20:22.02 | eigar | Dulak: done various test and it normaly is on 10, (remote server) kernel.org lays around 0.5 MB/s |
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| 20:22.52 | eigar | but ok. I'll mirror and go with that. |
| 20:23.04 | Dulak | eigar: I have gotten 3-5 MB/s from kernel, but when it got hacked a couple months ago I had to switch mirrors and I haven't found one over 1 MB/s since. |
| 20:23.35 | cephas | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.53 | cephas | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.59 | brianmwaters | apt-get install pptp |
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| 20:27.08 | et | you also seem to have an echo in your internet connection |
| 20:27.37 | ompaul | it's a windows insecure (broken by design) protocol so I don't think the people here would be too into it |
| 20:28.55 | nvz | et: heh |
| 20:29.30 | nvz | cephas: pptp would be a function of the kernel and likely already implemented if using a debian kernel |
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| 20:29.58 | nvz | cephas: so if you want to stop repeating and explain what you are actually trying to do (zoom out, big picture) then maybe someone can help |
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| 20:30.09 | brianmwaters | any vim users in here? i've just been kinda curious what the vim package gets you that the vim-tiny package doesn't |
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| 20:31.59 | eigar | Dulak: sucks. Have managed reverse hack in earlier times, with some help, but that was from a not-know-how with a yellow T-shirt yelling here I am. Not that I'm big on know how. |
| 20:32.01 | nvz | brianmwaters: vim comes in all flavors, tiny being the most minimal, the gui verions being the bigger ones.. see vim.org, not really a #debian question |
| 20:32.42 | cephas | thanks nvz, i need to install PPTP so that i can be able to dial to another server and i need some configures |
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| 20:33.37 | eigar | heh, The intruder was the T-shirter, not the help :) |
| 20:33.37 | Dulak | brianmwaters: you get quite a bit from the regular vim package that isn't in vim-tiny. vim-tiny is stripped to the minimum so it will fit on the livecd. First thing I do on a new install is replace vim-tiny with the regular vim |
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| 20:35.04 | brianmwaters | yeah, i run regular vim too. thought it was a debian question because it has to do w/ debian packaging, i don't think it's an upstream distinction |
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| 20:36.58 | ompaul | brianmwaters: apt-cache search vim | grep vim | more |
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| 20:37.54 | brianmwaters | "compact version" is pretty vague |
| 20:38.20 | brianmwaters | thanks |
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| 20:42.50 | Dulak | brianmwaters: off the top of my head it lacks the various scripting language runtimes, like ruby, perl, python being embedded, and it has either no syntax highlighting or a very minimal set of syntax files. Those are the main things I remember. |
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| 20:43.41 | brett__ | I installed debian and after the install completed "successfully," it restarted and all i have now is a blinking cursor. Any ideas? |
| 20:44.04 | brianmwaters | Dulak: i see. now that you mention it, i recall something about the vim packags pulling in some scripting language interpreters as dependencies... |
| 20:44.55 | brianmwaters | i suppose i could have looking in the .deb rather than bugged you guys |
| 20:45.10 | Dulak | brianmwaters: install them both, then compare the --version output from each, it gives a list of all the modules that are compiled in with a +, or a - to denote that feature is not included. |
| 20:45.15 | nkuttler | brett__: was the kernel loaded? |
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| 20:46.58 | brett__ | nkuttler: I don't think so. It goes directly from the bios to a blank screen. I did install from a USB, so I'm thinking it may have been this: http://ask.debian.net/questions/why-doesn-t-new-debian-install-won-t-boot-off-the-hd |
| 20:47.00 | operhiem1 | I'd like to dual-boot squeeze and wheezy; do I need a boot partition for each? |
| 20:47.20 | ManateeLazyCat | Hi all. |
| 20:47.53 | nkuttler | brett__: what makes you think that? it doesn't sound like grub was even loaded |
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| 20:48.35 | nkuttler | operhiem1: i would separate them |
| 20:48.56 | brett__ | nkuttler: If i boot from the usb drive now, it goes to grub and looks like it will load the OS. Could I boot using the grub on USB then fix it from within? |
| 20:49.12 | nkuttler | brett__: sure, if the system is bootable |
| 20:49.25 | nkuttler | brett__: you can also try to install grub from the installer i guess |
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| 20:54.02 | brianmwaters | Dulak: well there are sure a lot more +'s in the full one |
| 20:55.01 | Dulak | brianmwaters: those are all the things you would miss eventually using vim-tiny. Like I said, it's the first thing on my new install checklist |
| 20:55.17 | brianmwaters | mine too, i just never knew specifically why |
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| 20:55.41 | brett__ | nkuttler: this is what my fstab looks like. Should I just remove the usb entry, and that will fix it? |
| 20:55.44 | brett__ | nkuttler: http://pastebin.com/MDea7q8d |
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| 21:01.14 | unixSnob | anyone know where to get a netinst USB stick image? |
| 21:01.59 | brianmwaters | unixSnob: they're right on downloads page of the debian website |
| 21:02.14 | operhiem1 | unixSnob: I think the CD ISOs are hybrid images: you can just dd them onto a flash device. |
| 21:02.19 | brianmwaters | if need be' i'm pretty sure you can burn any cd image onto a thumb drive |
| 21:02.43 | unixSnob | operhiem1: ty |
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| 21:03.00 | guest009 | it's not 4k alignment |
| 21:03.11 | guest009 | low performance |
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| 21:03.43 | brianmwaters | guest009: it's a netinstall, for god's sake |
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| 21:04.33 | guest009 | i mean, you have to tweak your thumbdrive before install |
| 21:05.24 | nkuttler | brett__: the fstab doesn't really matter if the kernel doesn't even load |
| 21:05.31 | guest009 | more tweaking you will need - such as minimal write access |
| 21:05.49 | brett__ | nkuttler: So I just need to fix grub, right? |
| 21:06.01 | nkuttler | brett__: well that should be your first step |
| 21:06.05 | guest009 | otherwise, your thumbdrive will be broken soon |
| 21:06.21 | unixSnob | brianmwaters: i'm skeptical, based on this article: http://www.wallix.org/2011/11/02/automatic-installation-of-debian-squeeze-from-a-usb-flash-drive/ |
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| 21:06.26 | brett__ | nkuttler: should i do that using dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc |
| 21:06.49 | nkuttler | brett__: grub-install |
| 21:07.24 | unixSnob | why would someone screw around with GRUB hacks if the ISO could just be dd'd onto the USB stick? |
| 21:07.41 | brianmwaters | unixSnob: I admit, i have not done it (that i can remembeer) |
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| 21:08.39 | brett__ | nkuttler: grub-install /dev/sda1? |
| 21:08.48 | brianmwaters | idunno, but it would be really easy to check -> just dd the image onto the flash drive and reboot. if it works, it works! |
| 21:08.50 | delvalle26 | multi boot usb key? |
| 21:09.07 | unixSnob | My objective is to not waste a CD just for a one-time use (i don't have a cdrw on hand) |
| 21:09.30 | brett__ | nkuttler: oh, just /dev/sda |
| 21:09.42 | operhiem1 | unixSnob: I used dd'ing an iso onto this flash drive to install this installation onto this machine. Pure dd works. |
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| 21:09.53 | delvalle26 | right, for me I wouldn't mind having something like slitaz live |
| 21:09.56 | brett__ | nkuttler: "install finished" should i be able to reboot now? |
| 21:09.56 | brianmwaters | unixSnob: shouldn't you be in ##aix or some such business |
| 21:09.57 | delvalle26 | then debian installer |
| 21:10.00 | delvalle26 | etc. |
| 21:10.15 | delvalle26 | and it would basically be a universal rescue key :) |
| 21:10.26 | operhiem1 | It's not overly clear through text, but all "this" is directly in front of me. |
| 21:10.31 | unixSnob | operhiem1: ok, i'll try it |
| 21:10.49 | operhiem1 | Just don't get if and of mixed up. :p |
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| 21:23.31 | corretico | hi |
| 21:23.35 | corretico | I need help |
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| 21:23.50 | corretico | I use a script locate on /etc/init.d |
| 21:24.18 | corretico | in debian etch, lenny I use update-rc.d script defaults |
| 21:24.41 | corretico | but in squeeze I get the following error: |
| 21:24.42 | corretico | update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing |
| 21:24.54 | corretico | insserv: warning: script 'firewall' missing LSB tags and overrides |
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| 21:25.41 | epsilon | look at init.d scripts, you see at the top the definitions when to call the script |
| 21:26.15 | epsilon | you neet it in your script too - jst copy&paste, match the levels and change names/Descriptions to uniq one |
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| 21:26.27 | Nirgal | corretico: when using dependency boot sequencing, you don't use the 42 or whatever order script, you need to define which services should be started before yours run |
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| 21:27.55 | epsilon | after doing that, run update-rc.d again like in previous debian |
| 21:27.55 | operhiem1 | Are the disk setup tools in the wheezy installer enough to resize partitons, both in encrypted lvm and not? |
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| 21:28.59 | Nirgal | operhiem1: in recovery mode, yes I think. |
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| 21:29.09 | epsilon | operhiem1: to be sure, I'd first backup and then try resizing using some live-Linux. Like debian-live or gparted-livecd |
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| 21:29.57 | operhiem1 | epsilon: Is resizing a partiton which is in encrypted LVM difficult? I've seen guides, but they seem to be about resizing the entire lvm and all its contents. |
| 21:30.07 | epsilon | maybe d-i could do it, but I won't due to it's limited shell |
| 21:30.33 | Nirgal | corretico: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
| 21:30.57 | epsilon | operhiem1: your main problem will be probably resizing the crypt layer |
| 21:30.58 | corretico | thanks Nirgal, let me check |
| 21:31.15 | epsilon | lvm can resize very easy, Filesystem also in normal case |
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| 21:32.06 | operhiem1 | epsilon: Is it possible to resize a partition within the encrypted container and add another while leaving the overall size of the encrypted container unchanged? That sounds like it would be easier. |
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| 21:33.09 | Hyperized | How do I prevent users from being prompted with a password field when remote connecting to VNC / remote desktop? |
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| 21:33.56 | Nirgal | Hyperized: which vnc / remote desktop client are you using? |
| 21:35.05 | epsilon | operhiem1: I see some howtos, just googeling "LUKS resize"... you have to resize all layers (phys. partition, (raid,) crypt/luks, lvm, filesystem) |
| 21:35.30 | epsilon | lowest layer first, so phys. partition |
| 21:35.34 | Hyperized | Nirgal VNC viewer 4, the thing is, the box has 'require authentication to view desktop' unchecked, so it shouldnt prompt, but it still asks the user logged in to fill in the password |
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| 21:36.11 | operhiem1 | epsilon: Oh, I do have to resize the crypt layer? What I'd like to be able to do is reduce the size of a volume group within the existing encrypted lvm and add another. |
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| 21:37.07 | epsilon | operhiem1: I assume you have partition -> cyrpt -> LVM -> filesystems? |
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| 21:37.59 | operhiem1 | epsilon: I'm not sure - to set this up I used the guided entire disk encryption, which IIRC means a /boot outside of LVM, then an encrypted LVM with /home and / separately. |
| 21:38.05 | epsilon | in this case you just operate in LVM/filesystems beyond the crypt layer, so yes, just resize LVM/filesystem and good to go |
| 21:38.16 | operhiem1 | Ah, okay. Cool. |
| 21:38.26 | epsilon | operhiem1: standard debian installer crypted setup? |
| 21:38.42 | operhiem1 | Yes. |
| 21:38.50 | epsilon | then you look right |
| 21:39.27 | operhiem1 | Alright, sweet. Thank you for your help. |
| 21:39.33 | epsilon | ./boot is outside, so grub can access the files before decrypting the "rest" |
| 21:40.54 | epsilon | in your case: shrink the filesystem, shrink the LogicalVolume of that filesystem. Then you have space in LVM |
| 21:41.24 | epsilon | expand the other LogicanVolume, expand the filesystem in it. Thats it. |
| 21:42.52 | operhiem1 | Does reducing a logical volume in the installer automatically shrink the contained filesystem? |
| 21:43.45 | operhiem1 | Sorry, I mean volume group. |
| 21:43.59 | Nirgal | operhiem1: Enlarging is ok. Shrinking is much more tricky... |
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| 21:44.54 | epsilon | I'd still do that with a live-CD |
| 21:44.57 | operhiem1 | I haven't done command-line filesystem manipulation before - I guess I should research and write up a script before I'm halfway through the installer. |
| 21:45.03 | Nirgal | Hyperized: did you try the --password option from vncviewer(1) ? |
| 21:45.06 | operhiem1 | LIveCD sounds good. I'll do that. |
| 21:45.24 | jhutchins_wk | epsilon: You said shrink the filesystem first, then shrink the VG? |
| 21:46.17 | epsilon | I see no need to change anything on VG, if encrypted container doesn't change the size |
| 21:47.36 | Nirgal | epsilon: 1. resize file system; 2 "cryptsetup resize", 3 VG resize, .... |
| 21:49.32 | Nirgal | epsilon: (for shrinking) |
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| 21:53.28 | pingcasts | hi, I've been searching for a good guide on how to build .debs but I'm having trouble finding one. Any suggestions? |
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| 21:55.37 | no-name- | to run the testing version of debian, do you download the testing version somewhere or do you switch to testing from stable once you've installed stable? |
| 21:55.50 | Nirgal | pingcasts: There are a few usefull links on http://mentors.debian.net/qa |
| 21:55.58 | MichelleZ | pingcasts, have you looked at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
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| 21:57.37 | MichelleZ | no-name-, you can do either |
| 21:58.09 | Nirgal | no-name-: just change your /etc/apt/source.list, then aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 21:58.54 | Nirgal | no-name-: please note that it's very hard to go back, you've been warned |
| 21:58.54 | no-name- | I don't appear to have an /etc/apt/source.list ... but I am running the live CD atm |
| 21:59.14 | delvalle26 | Hmm, what if you want to improve a man page in debian, how does one go about it? |
| 21:59.17 | toropisco | no-name-: if you follow the stable->testing route, install upgrade-system and use it instead of apt-get/aptitude. It'll make your life a lot easier. |
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| 21:59.41 | no-name- | ok |
| 21:59.49 | sigmonsays_ | I know this is probably not the best place but has anyone used znc before (irc bouncer) ? |
| 21:59.55 | delvalle26 | also I have to file a bug as well... |
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| 22:00.01 | Hyperized | Nirgal the password I have to fill out is processed correctly, the connection established, but before the screen is viewed, the user must fill out its own password, its like it needs specific authorisation |
| 22:00.02 | Nirgal | delvalle26: I would report a bug (priority minor probably) and submit a patch |
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| 22:00.04 | no-name- | actually, hmm. I'm reading that Wheezy is more secure than testing so I guess I want that |
| 22:00.20 | toropisco | no-name-: Wheezy===testing. |
| 22:00.25 | delvalle26 | K I have some research to do I guess :) |
| 22:00.28 | no-name- | ok |
| 22:00.35 | delvalle26 | Thanks Nirgal |
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| 22:02.00 | Nirgal | no-name-: actually, no. testing (=wheezy) security updates are the slowest to be released! |
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| 22:02.47 | no-name- | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.53 | no-name- | from http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting |
| 22:03.39 | no-name- | can I just download Wheezy somewhere? |
| 22:03.57 | no-name- | or do I just need to change my /etc/apt/sources.list to Wheezy |
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| 22:04.26 | toropisco | no-name-: The thing is that testing has its own security repositories. BUT, they are used far-and-between. It wasn't so in Lenny and previous development cycles. The wiki may not be updated to reflect that. |
| 22:04.28 | Nirgal | no-name-: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ |
| 22:05.15 | no-name- | toropisco, ok |
| 22:05.16 | Nirgal | no-name-: but if you are looking for good security maintainance, wheezy is a bad choice IMHO |
| 22:05.17 | no-name- | Nirgal, thanks |
| 22:05.32 | no-name- | alright |
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| 22:06.48 | pingcasts | thanks, looking at those guides now |
| 22:08.13 | no-name- | any knowledge of when Wheezy should become the stable release? |
| 22:08.44 | cafuego | !wid |
| 22:08.44 | Nirgal | no-name-: in stable you have a whole team doing security updates (use package unattended-upgrades for example do have them automatically). sid you have daily updates, but you need to be very familiar to linux as you have bugs from time to time, and you need to fix them yourself some times. testing=wheezy is mote stable that sid, but you sometimes have security updates with a few days delay... |
| 22:08.44 | dpkg | from memory, wid is "When It's Done", or see also "wir" and "rsn", or see pn |
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| 22:09.33 | Nirgal | no-name-: freeze is scheduled for next summer, so end of the year at best, I guess |
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| 22:09.47 | no-name- | alright |
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| 22:11.16 | Hollow555 | hi |
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| 22:11.40 | Nirgal | no-name-: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-ftparchives#s-testing |
| 22:13.36 | no-name- | thanks |
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| 22:34.28 | CVirus | In my vsftpd.conf I have anonymous_enable=YES and local_enable=NO and yet it still prompts for a username/password when I try to access it .. help ? |
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| 22:36.18 | simonlnu | you sure that's what it's supposed to do? |
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| 22:37.31 | CVirus | simonlnu: not sure really |
| 22:39.04 | CVirus | simonlnu: I'm getting help on the other IRC server .. sorry for cross posting |
| 22:39.10 | simonlnu | i'd suggest reading their docs then |
| 22:39.12 | simonlnu | np |
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| 22:41.04 | densaa | hello |
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| 22:42.52 | densaa | possible to get a base/minimal install with the the "small cds", like for example what you would get after a base install of arch linux? |
| 22:43.28 | nkuttler | densaa: just don't install any tasks |
| 22:43.57 | densaa | sorry i didnt make my self clear |
| 22:44.07 | densaa | i will not have internet access |
| 22:44.27 | densaa | so will the packages on that images be enough for a base install ? |
| 22:44.35 | nkuttler | which small cds are you referring to? |
| 22:44.42 | nkuttler | and define base |
| 22:44.59 | densaa | netinst |
| 22:45.11 | nkuttler | nah, you need network to install with that |
| 22:45.17 | densaa | nkuttler: all the packages i would need to install openbox on top |
| 22:45.53 | nkuttler | densaa: http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ |
| 22:47.01 | densaa | ty |
| 22:47.32 | nkuttler | densaa: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD might also interest you |
| 22:48.00 | densaa | ^ thats extreme. |
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| 22:48.39 | GorDonFreeMan | How to wipe your ASS Part I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c18zU79e2m8 |
| 22:48.40 | GorDonFreeMan | ahaha |
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| 22:49.20 | CVirus | How can I restore the default configuration file of a certain package ? |
| 22:49.34 | nkuttler | CVirus: purge and reinstall |
| 22:49.43 | CVirus | nkuttler: thanks |
| 22:50.47 | densaa | nkuttler : gona be needing to grab more and more files to get to debian unstable , correct? |
| 22:51.04 | densaa | gona any generated cd images with up-to-date packages? |
| 22:51.13 | nkuttler | densaa: why would you want to do that? |
| 22:51.29 | densaa | got* |
| 22:51.34 | densaa | damn im sleepy |
| 22:51.38 | densaa | do what nkuttler? |
| 22:51.53 | nkuttler | densaa: install stable |
| 22:52.24 | densaa | nkuttler : hmm, why's that? |
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| 22:53.50 | densaa | nkuttler : why keep using old packages ? |
| 22:53.58 | densaa | im not running it on a server |
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| 22:54.51 | densaa | unstable isnt really "unstable" its just up-to-date packages, correct me if im wrong |
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| 22:55.44 | tuxGentoo | hola buenas como estan os voy a pedir una gran ayuda a la comunidad por que necesito de vuestra ayuda en una encunesta que estoy realisando todos los que me pueden ayudar les agradeceria de corason por permitirme quitar un poco de su tiempo la encunta se encunetra en esta direccion http://www.encuestafacil.com/RespWeb/Qn.aspx?EID=1158938 gracias |
| 22:55.54 | toropisco | densaa: unstable is quite solid, but it can break sometimes and if you don't know how to fix it, you get to keep the pieces. |
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| 22:56.26 | toropisco | tuxGentoo: Please use #debian-es. |
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| 22:57.31 | densaa | toropisco : epoxy should get the job done. |
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| 22:58.22 | laidback_01 | hey, anyone ever have a situation where using one key to auth to server A, and another key to auth to server B.... off the same server? I gave a vendor a pub key the other day, and then changed servers, and created a new key - which I gave to a different vendor. So now I have two different keys for two vendors and have to ship them both data. is tehre a place to configure which key to use per destination? |
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| 22:58.48 | asarch | That's spam toropisco |
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| 22:59.51 | ArchUser^ | asarch : hows that spam? |
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| 23:00.21 | nkuttler | laidback_01: afaik ssh should pick the right key by itself |
| 23:00.33 | asarch | Open the link and you will see |
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| 23:00.57 | nkuttler | laidback_01: see man 5 ssh_config if not |
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| 23:01.46 | brett__ | if a package is availbe in multiple repositories, how does apt-get decide version preference? |
| 23:01.51 | toropisco | asarch: you are right. Some poll about repair garages and such. But I've seen many of my mother-tongue fellow speakers make fools of themselves this way on IRC.... |
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| 23:02.13 | nkuttler | brett__: by priority |
| 23:02.21 | ArchUser^ | so user debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso i can get the packages i need for a full install , then after that i can change to debian unstable, correct? |
| 23:02.30 | ArchUser^ | using* |
| 23:02.37 | brett__ | nkuttler: is that decided by the order they are listed? |
| 23:02.54 | nkuttler | ArchUser^: depends what you mean by full install. also make sure you install every package you need before upgrading, if you really must |
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| 23:03.42 | ArchUser^ | nkuttler : what do you use? |
| 23:03.43 | nkuttler | brett__: no. man 5 apt_preferences |
| 23:03.49 | ArchUser^ | stable or testing or unstable? |
| 23:04.17 | nkuttler | ArchUser^: all of them |
| 23:04.23 | ArchUser^ | lovely |
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| 23:04.56 | ArchUser^ | nkuttler : on your personal computer? |
| 23:05.10 | ArchUser^ | a laptop for example |
| 23:05.18 | ArchUser^ | not a server for example |
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| 23:05.59 | brett__ | If I installed a package that only was available on testing, would it have retrieved the dependencies from the same repository? |
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| 23:06.49 | toropisco | brett__: yes. That's why there are backport repositories for stable. |
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| 23:14.08 | ArchUser^ | ok gona go with testing not unstable |
| 23:14.28 | ArchUser^ | regarding security updates with testing, does it even have such updates |
| 23:14.43 | ArchUser^ | Please note that security updates for testing distribution are not yet managed by the security team <-- |
| 23:14.51 | ArchUser^ | but it does get security updates, correct? |
| 23:14.55 | nkuttler | !testing security |
| 23:14.55 | dpkg | Wheezy is unlikely to receive full security support for some time. Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in testing. Keep up to date by reading <d-d-a>. Also ask me about <d-s-a>, <apt-listchanges>. |
| 23:15.35 | ArchUser^ | ty |
| 23:16.03 | ArchUser^ | should be enough security for a personal laptop for day to day userr |
| 23:16.06 | ArchUser^ | use* |
| 23:16.15 | ArchUser^ | dont you think so nkuttler? |
| 23:16.43 | nkuttler | ArchUser^: the only thing i recommend is to install stable |
| 23:17.01 | ArchUser^ | hmmm |
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| 23:17.27 | ArchUser^ | nkuttler : would like to know why |
| 23:17.39 | ArchUser^ | or why not testing |
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| 23:18.19 | nkuttler | ArchUser^: #debian-next @ oftc if you would like to talk about testing |
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| 23:21.17 | ArchUser^ | k |
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| 23:33.54 | GTRsdk | Are USB hubs supported without additional drivers? |
| 23:34.18 | dondelelcaro | GTRsdk: yes |
| 23:34.22 | dondelelcaro | in almost every case |
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| 23:36.37 | phpN00b | hi |
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| 23:36.47 | phpN00b | where do I download the iso of the latest version of Debian Lenny? |
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| 23:37.50 | daemonkeeper | Lenny reaches end of life more than soon. |
| 23:39.06 | SVNDR | Hey, would anybody be able to explain what this is when i 'ps' from the terminal? root 248 0.0 0.2 16852 608 ? S<s 2011 0:00 udevd --daemon |
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| 23:39.24 | phpN00b | do I only need debian-6.0.3-amd64-DVD-1.iso ? or do I need the other 7 DVD's? |
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| 23:39.44 | GTRsdk | phpN00b: only the first one |
| 23:39.52 | daemonkeeper | You need the first DVD only. Note, Debian 6 is Squeeze. |
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| 23:40.35 | simonlnu | SVNDR: udevd manages /dev |
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| 23:40.45 | GTRsdk | Does installing to a SD card work? |
| 23:41.18 | simonlnu | !usb install |
| 23:41.19 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 23:41.19 | SVNDR | simonlnu: alright, i just cant remember seeing it in the futre.. and my server has been crashing alot the last few days, i was just thinking that might be the reason.. |
| 23:41.37 | simonlnu | see syslog, not ps |
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| 23:42.14 | SVNDR | ok |
| 23:42.17 | SVNDR | thanks |
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| 23:42.42 | simonlnu | /var/log/syslog /var/log/kern.log and other files. dmesg might be a clue too |
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| 23:45.56 | GTRsdk | thanks |
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