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| 00:26.36 | stomith | hey, I don't know if this is related to debian in any way, but it seems that every install I have lately can't hold a connection for some reason |
| 00:27.01 | stomith | like, I'm working on the machine(s), and then blame! no connectivity to the box.. but I can get out fine |
| 00:27.15 | stomith | this only appears to happen with debian. |
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| 00:27.58 | stomith | any clues, perhaps? |
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| 00:32.35 | gnude | hello, since nearly 5 years i am using debian. first only at home, now my company has 4 debian servers, that i manage. if anybody is interested, how the life of a debian admin is.... you can look here: http://experienceswithdebian.blogspot.com/ or follow on identi.ca http://identi.ca/gnude here i wrote about the problems i have to solve and how the live with debian is. |
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| 00:45.13 | tuxGentoo | hola a todos voy a pedirles una gran ayuda a todos ustedes estoy realisando una encuenta y necesito gente que pueda llenar esa encuenta la puedne encontrar en esta direccion http://www.encuestafacil.com/RespWeb/Qn.aspx?EID=1158938 |
| 00:45.59 | nkuttler | tuxGentoo: what's that link? |
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| 00:47.55 | jordanm | !es |
| 00:47.56 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 00:48.08 | nkuttler | !ops tuxGentoo already the second time posing off-topic stuff in a foreign language and not responding to questions. looks like a bot |
| 00:48.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nkuttler complains about: tuxGentoo already the second time posing off-topic stuff in a foreign language and not responding to questions. looks like a bot |
| 00:48.37 | jordanm | oh, it does translate to advertisement |
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| 00:50.04 | tp43_ | how do you disable the screensaver? In comes on in 10-15mins when I am watching videos on vlc |
| 00:50.32 | streuner_ | sounds like you are using testing/unstable :-) |
| 00:50.42 | streuner_ | in question GNOME :-) |
| 00:50.43 | tp43_ | no, stable |
| 00:50.48 | streuner_ | heh |
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| 00:51.16 | streuner_ | so how about to just disable every screensaver? |
| 00:51.40 | streuner_ | or configure it different |
| 00:52.02 | mentor | tp43_: Try the suspend inhibit applet |
| 00:52.17 | tp43_ | what about xdg, how do you configure that one, or xscreensaver, I know how configure the xfce power manager |
| 00:52.25 | tp43_ | Let me try inhibit the |
| 00:53.11 | tp43_ | I don't see anything by the name of inhibit in the cache |
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| 00:53.52 | streuner_ | tp43_: do you have other screensavers installed? |
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| 00:56.39 | tp43_ | I can't tell, I saw xdg-screensaver, but I couldn't configure it, so I thought I'd run xfce-power-manager, since I can configure it, but it didn't work, so, I killed xdg-screensaver, and xfce-power-manager, will kill -9, then I saw xscreensaver, so I killed that too, but still the darn screensaver came on after about ten mins, let me confirm, maybe I'm mistaken, I am gonna watch a movie now for 10-15 mins and see if screensaver comes on and |
| 00:56.39 | tp43_ | then I come back here |
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| 01:00.42 | simonlnu | tp43_: dpms will run regardless of screensavers running. it's built into xorg |
| 01:01.01 | simonlnu | you can turn it off with xset |
| 01:01.12 | simonlnu | and turn it back on if you want |
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| 01:05.38 | format_c | Hi, is a date published when should have upgraded from Lenny to Squeeze latest? Doing a Dist Upgrade on a productive server is not easy to argue. |
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| 01:06.56 | streuner_ | oldstable is 1 year supported... |
| 01:07.07 | format_c | Thanks. |
| 01:08.06 | streuner_ | after squeeze release |
| 01:08.28 | streuner_ | dpkg, lenny |
| 01:08.29 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-15 and superseded by Squeeze as of 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 . Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>, <lenny release notes>, <install lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.9>. Security support will end on 2012-02-06. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 01:08.36 | streuner_ | format_c: ^^^^ |
| 01:08.44 | format_c | That means that support ends in exactly one month? |
| 01:08.50 | streuner_ | yes |
| 01:09.16 | format_c | alright. I rekon I got to hurry ;) |
| 01:09.40 | format_c | Thanks again |
| 01:09.46 | format_c | gn8 folks |
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| 01:11.25 | tp43_ | simonlnu, how do I turn off dpms with xset? |
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| 01:13.09 | streuner_ | tp43_: man xset | grep -i dpms |
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| 01:13.25 | tp43_ | I got it, xset -dpms right? |
| 01:14.44 | tp43_ | or xset dpms off |
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| 01:15.26 | nezzario2 | has ANYONE got netflix instant streaming working with debian without a virtual machine? |
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| 01:16.30 | iluminator101 | where is linuximage-3.2 |
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| 01:17.36 | streuner_ | !kernel |
| 01:17.38 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20110831, linux-next: next-20110831, snapshot 3: 3.1-rc4-git2, mainline 3: 3.1-rc4 , stable 3.0: 3.0.4 , stable 2.6.39: 2.6.39.4 , stable 2.6.38: 2.6.38.8 , stable 2.6.37: 2.6.37.6 , longterm 2.6.35: 2.6.35.14 , longterm 2.6.34: 2.6.34.10 , longterm 2.6.33: 2.6.33.19 , longterm 2.6.32: 2.6.32.46 , longterm 2.6.27: 2.6.27.59 |
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| 01:25.59 | Dev0n | hey what's the smallest debian install, is it TinyCD from /distrib/netinst ? |
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| 01:36.45 | tp43_ | yep, no more screensaver, thanks guys, thx streuner_ , thx simonlnu |
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| 01:58.32 | gimpy794 | I'm trying to install Debian Squeeze on a box but it won't boot the CD. I see a message about isolinux then a black screen. An Ubuntu 10.04 disk works fine. |
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| 02:01.23 | tp43_ | gimpy794, as if |
| 02:01.51 | tp43_ | gimpy794, I think you should wipe you debian squeeze cd or burn a new one |
| 02:02.22 | gimpy794 | I already tried burning a another one, same problem. I also changed the DVD drive and cable. Still the same problem. |
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| 02:03.20 | tp43_ | gimpy794, download debian again |
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| 02:04.02 | gimpy794 | I've used this ISO before without problems. |
| 02:04.58 | tp43_ | whats so special about your hardware, can you think of anything? I have had the reverse problem, |
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| 02:06.17 | gimpy794 | This is oldish hardware (AMD Athlon era) but it should be fine since it boots Ubuntu no problem. Even even starts to load Debian since I see the isolinux line. |
| 02:06.41 | leBMD | Gentlemen. |
| 02:07.08 | gimpy794 | leBMD: Mentlegen. |
| 02:07.11 | tp43_ | so must be the cd then |
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| 02:07.15 | leBMD | I installed mumble, and it installed PulseAudio along with it, and now my computer can't find an OSS module and sound doesn't work. |
| 02:07.27 | grayghost | gimpy794: 32 or 64 |
| 02:07.38 | tp43_ | leBMD, probably just muted |
| 02:07.50 | leBMD | no, it's not muted. |
| 02:07.55 | gimpy794 | 64, as I said I tried multiple burns, drives, and cables. All fial in the same way. |
| 02:08.07 | leBMD | when booting, I get a failure to load the Open Sound System module, since it can't find it. |
| 02:08.09 | gimpy794 | I should point out this is the LXDE disk. |
| 02:08.59 | leBMD | I'm running Debian Wheezy on i686 if that helps any. |
| 02:09.04 | grayghost | gimpy794: is the computer a 64 |
| 02:09.07 | tp43_ | doesn't matter, try the netinstal |
| 02:09.25 | tp43_ | try alsamixer |
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| 02:09.32 | gimpy794 | grayghost: Yes, AMD Athlon 64. |
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| 02:11.14 | leBMD | alsamixer shows the chip to be "PulseAudio" and the card to be "PulseAudio," and it shows volume levels, but nothing will play. |
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| 02:11.57 | leBMD | That wasn't intentional. |
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| 02:12.40 | gimpy794 | leBMD: No one posted while you were out anyway. |
| 02:12.44 | leBMD | ok. |
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| 02:13.10 | leBMD | But yeah, I don't know what to do. It doesn't read OSS, PulseAudio seems to be overriding ALSA, and no sound is coming through my speakers. |
| 02:13.44 | leBMD | if I run pulseaudio, it says "main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed." |
| 02:14.04 | gimpy794 | Run an strace and see why that fails. |
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| 02:15.44 | sonnie | how about installing linux on sun sparc m4000? |
| 02:16.18 | gimpy794 | Mmmm, delicious m4000....There's some SPARC documentation, have you read it? |
| 02:16.20 | leBMD | "pid.c: Daemon already running" "main.c pa_pid_file_create() failed" |
| 02:16.49 | sonnie | i'm reading http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/sparc/ |
| 02:17.05 | gimpy794 | That explains that errror....you are aware pulseaudio runs as your user and not as a system wide daemon, right? |
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| 02:17.34 | leBMD | But how does that explain anything? |
| 02:17.58 | gimpy794 | sonnie: I'm no further help. I have an Ultra 25 I haven't put Debian on yet. |
| 02:18.00 | leBMD | I need to run pulseaudio when I log in? |
| 02:18.11 | leBMD | and not on bootup? |
| 02:18.22 | gimpy794 | leBMD: It should run it by itself. |
| 02:18.38 | leBMD | it does, but how does it running as my user make it not work? |
| 02:18.57 | leBMD | I'm just confused as to what I should do. |
| 02:18.58 | tp43_ | I think sound always works, it just get muted sometimes, do you have alsa-base installed? |
| 02:19.08 | leBMD | yes, yes I do. |
| 02:19.19 | leBMD | I've been running Debian for a good few months with no errors. |
| 02:19.24 | leBMD | until pulseaudio came around. |
| 02:19.46 | tp43_ | I'm not an expert, but do lsmod, and see if you have something like: snd |
| 02:19.58 | leBMD | I just checked, and it claims to also be the newest version. |
| 02:20.01 | leBMD | but I'll run lsmod |
| 02:20.05 | tp43_ | if you do, you should have sound, what are you using to play sound? |
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| 02:20.22 | leBMD | though, as I said before, it can't read the sound module for some reason. |
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| 02:20.38 | leBMD | and i have no snd in lsmod |
| 02:21.35 | tp43_ | yeah, then you have no sound modules running |
| 02:21.49 | tp43_ | do you have a soundcard when you do lspci? |
| 02:21.51 | nsadmin | can't read the sound module? |
| 02:21.58 | leBMD | yes, it can't read the sound module. |
| 02:22.04 | nsadmin | what is the -exact- text of the error message |
| 02:22.11 | leBMD | and it reads my soundcard. |
| 02:22.21 | leBMD | nsadmin, it's an error on bootup, so I don't have it at hand. |
| 02:22.33 | tp43_ | dmseg |
| 02:22.45 | tp43_ | dmesg |
| 02:22.55 | nsadmin | | less |
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| 02:28.04 | nsadmin | leBMD, just in case you didn't catch that... dmesg will usually output messages logged while booting... piping thru less can be a convenient way to page around |
| 02:28.13 | leBMD | I'm looking. |
| 02:28.35 | leBMD | I'm not exactly sure what part of bootup deals with sound kernals, so it's taking a bit. |
| 02:28.55 | nsadmin | could be if you've had a long enough uptime, the oldest messages get forgotten |
| 02:29.23 | leBMD | I just turned it back on. |
| 02:29.26 | tp43_ | lsBMD what about the error messages, "dmesg | grep snd" |
| 02:29.27 | leBMD | so I don't kow. |
| 02:29.41 | leBMD | it gives me nothing. |
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| 02:29.57 | leBMD | it says nothing about snd in dmesg. |
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| 02:30.26 | tp43_ | maybe your soundcard is broken, do see any sound card list when you try "lspci"? |
| 02:30.30 | leBMD | I remember it, on bootup, saying it couldn't find some kernal when initializing OSS. |
| 02:30.40 | leBMD | tp43_: yes, I already said that, and it worked last night. |
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| 02:30.50 | nsadmin | oh, you're not using alsa? |
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| 02:30.59 | tp43_ | leBMD, everyone uses alsa instead of oss these days |
| 02:30.59 | leBMD | I am, but the error was related to OSS. |
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| 02:31.15 | kaushal | Hi |
| 02:31.21 | tp43_ | probably said "not starting it cause using alsa instead" |
| 02:31.24 | leBMD | will you please read my previous posts, tp43_. I understand you're trying to be helpful, but everything you've said has already been addressed. |
| 02:31.26 | tonytraductor | My comp just failed, won't boot again. I think it's the power supply, but no idea how to determine that for sure. Not sure where to go to ask. |
| 02:31.41 | kaushal | can someone please help me understand the difference between cron,anacron and fcron schedulers |
| 02:31.50 | tp43_ | leBMD, there is nothing else dude, thats why the circling |
| 02:31.54 | leBMD | and it never gave that error before. It was a red "failure" that I would notice if it were happening before. |
| 02:31.57 | kaushal | are there any schedulers available in linux ? |
| 02:32.01 | leBMD | this only started after pulseaudio was installed. |
| 02:32.19 | nsadmin | kaushal, to serve what purpose? |
| 02:32.25 | leBMD | and that was only installed because it was bundled with mumble. |
| 02:32.42 | tonytraductor | I was working, and it just *poof* died. now when I try to start it, the cpu fan does about 1/10 of a turn, and nothing else happens. |
| 02:33.00 | leBMD | 00:1e.2 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03) |
| 02:33.09 | leBMD | I'm not sure if that'll help, but that's my sound card. |
| 02:33.26 | nsadmin | leBMD, could you look at that again this time with lspci -nn |
| 02:33.32 | tonytraductor | I was working on translating RaphaelHertzog's book to English...if I don't get this back, I lose a week's work on that. |
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| 02:34.00 | leBMD | 00:1e.2 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller [8086:266e] (rev 03) |
| 02:34.15 | nsadmin | , pciid [8086:266e] |
| 02:34.16 | tp43_ | tonytraductor, you hardddrive probably fine, but your main board or power supply is probably dead |
| 02:34.17 | judd | [8086:266e] is '82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-intel8x0' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:266e http://wiki.debian.org/slmodem and the out-of-tree 'snd-intel8x0' module. |
| 02:34.27 | tonytraductor | the machine has sata drives, and I have no other powersupply in the house that is sata equipped |
| 02:34.44 | tp43_ | tonytraductor, yeah, you gotta go shopping |
| 02:35.04 | tonytraductor | I don't have another machine that can read the sata drive (and it's got amd64 sys installed on it. every other machine is x86) |
| 02:35.07 | tonytraductor | not cool |
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| 02:35.28 | tonytraductor | but I don't know if I need a power supply, a mobo, or what |
| 02:35.54 | tp43_ | tonytraductor, major bummer, maybe you can buy a computer, test all the parts and return it |
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| 02:36.23 | tonytraductor | there's an idea...but another similar kit, figure what isn't working... |
| 02:36.36 | tonytraductor | but then maybe just buy another of what isn't working and have 2 machines! :) |
| 02:36.42 | nsadmin | might not be able to return it if you void the warranty by cracking the case |
| 02:36.44 | tonytraductor | except, I have deadlines |
| 02:37.10 | tp43_ | tonytraductor, be careful, make sure you can get a refund, maybe the guys in #hardware can help you determine the problem |
| 02:37.12 | tonytraductor | I can work on this laptop for my other projects...I'm just bummed about losing a week of Raphael's translation...at least until I can get back in that drive |
| 02:37.29 | tonytraductor | oh #hardware...that sounds like a good place to look |
| 02:37.30 | nsadmin | about deadlines... the machine is closer to you than to anyone else here |
| 02:37.30 | tonytraductor | thanks |
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| 02:38.37 | leBMD | I guess I could purge pulseaudio and mumble and see if that fixes anything, and then find out what went wrong from there. |
| 02:38.42 | tp43_ | if you got no power, its the power supply |
| 02:38.42 | nsadmin | do you already have operating systems installed on the other (x86) machines? |
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| 02:39.12 | tp43_ | if its the mainboard, you will get power, and the smell some burning before it shutdowns, if no burning and shuts, probably ram |
| 02:39.37 | guest009 | which brand? |
| 02:39.50 | guest009 | gigabyte? i don't believe |
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| 02:40.32 | guest009 | i think it's a trick of salesmen |
| 02:40.51 | tonytraductor | oh gosh, I don't know the brand of all the components |
| 02:40.55 | tp43_ | guest009, what are you talking about? |
| 02:40.55 | nsadmin | tonytraductor, what stops you from mounting a partition on the drive with the book and copying the whole thing to another place on one of your other machines |
| 02:41.07 | tonytraductor | Iput this machine together just about 1 yr ago from parts bought at tigerdirect.com |
| 02:41.27 | nsadmin | mmm. tigerdirect. |
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| 02:41.45 | tp43_ | thats why I like to buy off-lease, those parts have undergone the test of time |
| 02:41.58 | tonytraductor | kingston ram, amd xeon cpu, seagate hdd... |
| 02:42.03 | tonytraductor | lemme look at the mobo |
| 02:42.10 | nsadmin | tonytraductor, what stops you from mounting a partition on the drive with the book and copying the whole thing to another place on one of your other machines |
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| 02:42.28 | tp43_ | its sata, he doesn't have any other sata in the house |
| 02:42.38 | nsadmin | if you have deadlines, that's your best and simplest bet |
| 02:43.00 | tonytraductor | oh its a phenom...amd phenom cpu |
| 02:43.04 | leBMD | ok, I'm going to try rebooting. |
| 02:43.08 | tonytraductor | does ECS sound like a mobo manufacturer? |
| 02:43.10 | nsadmin | put it in a sata to pata or to usb enclosure |
| 02:43.12 | leBMD | if the problems persist, I'll come back. |
| 02:43.20 | guest009 | ecs is sneaky |
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| 02:44.08 | guest009 | ecs abandoned its share holders in taiwan |
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| 02:44.13 | tonytraductor | extreme atx 450w psu |
| 02:44.44 | nsadmin | I'd go for 800w or more |
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| 02:45.03 | guest009 | wait... afaik, am3 platform needs a new psu |
| 02:45.26 | tp43_ | When you build ten pc's at least one will be faulty |
| 02:45.58 | tp43_ | tonytraductor, you should pull out your tigerdirect reciepts |
| 02:46.26 | nsadmin | or get a sata card for one of the other machines |
| 02:46.46 | tp43_ | especially mainboards and ram |
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| 02:48.09 | leBMD | on bootup: "Starting Open Sound System: Kernal module not found (failure)" |
| 02:48.21 | tonytraductor | those receipts are lost. I built this a year ago. I'm not so good at keeping receipts organized. |
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| 02:48.29 | leBMD | in alsamixer: "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such fire or directory" |
| 02:48.30 | tonytraductor | I can find the labels from the cpu and hdd, but nothing else |
| 02:48.42 | leBMD | file* |
| 02:48.42 | unc0nnected | hey guys.. I noticed today that running 'df' only yields my / partition data.. It's completely missing all of the other mounted partitions. The other partitions, /var, /tmp, /usr are all mounted and accessible but df isn't showing them.. any ideas? |
| 02:48.47 | tonytraductor | I thought I had the labels for the RAM, so I would know what kind to buy to upgrade it |
| 02:48.52 | tp43_ | leBMD, bad install of alsa eh |
| 02:48.58 | unc0nnected | running 'mount' doesnt' show them either.. they're all in the fstab |
| 02:48.59 | tonytraductor | try dh |
| 02:49.09 | tonytraductor | does dh show them all? |
| 02:49.10 | leBMD | I'll try reinstalling alsa again. |
| 02:49.14 | leBMD | I'll purge it first. |
| 02:49.42 | tp43_ | try aptitude, its good for showing all packages and dependencies |
| 02:50.55 | leBMD | and what would I then do with my list of packages? |
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| 02:51.46 | leBMD | I just purged and reinstalled alsa-base |
| 02:51.50 | leBMD | for the record. |
| 02:52.07 | teratoma | ive made a custom deb ( for nginx ) , the files i want installed are in the manifest ( when i do a dpkg -L nginx.deb ) , but when i install the deb, some of the files aren't installed. what am i doing wrong? |
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| 02:54.45 | unc0nnected | tonytraductor: dh isn'ta valid command |
| 02:55.47 | leBMD | maybe he meant sh |
| 02:55.55 | leBMD | wait, looking back |
| 02:55.59 | leBMD | no, that's not what he meant. |
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| 02:59.30 | leBMD | ok, I think I just fixed it. |
| 02:59.36 | leBMD | I'll just check to make sure. |
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| 03:03.36 | leBMD | Yup, I just fixed it by purging mumble and pulseaudio, and by reinstalling alsa and then doing sudo modprobe snd-intel8x0 |
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| 03:04.47 | leBMD | Well, I hope you all have a good evening. |
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| 03:06.00 | tensorpudding | what'd dpkg hell? |
| 03:06.09 | tensorpudding | whoops, wrong channel |
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| 03:29.38 | gimpy2938 | When I try to install Debian Squeeze on one system it begins to boot the disk, shows the isolinux line, then shows a black screen and does nothing. I tried multiple ISO download, drives, cables, and burned new disks. Ubuntu 10.04 loads just fine. Why won't the Debian disk load? |
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| 03:31.03 | yagoo | gimpy2938, do you see any kernel messages? |
| 03:31.38 | gimpy2938 | yagoo: Nope, nothing ata all. Just a black screen, not even a blinking cursor. |
| 03:31.46 | yagoo | gimpy2938, are you using 32-bit hardware but your iso is really 64-bit ? |
| 03:32.04 | gimpy2938 | yagoo: 64 bit CPU, 64 bit ISO. |
| 03:32.16 | yagoo | gimpy2938, what is the motherboard? |
| 03:32.44 | gimpy2938 | yagoo: Asus A8N-SLI, chipset is nvidia nforce4-sli |
| 03:33.07 | gimpy2938 | Good god...I built that machine 5 years ago and I still remember that. |
| 03:33.40 | yagoo | gimpy2938, latest bios version is 1014.. you using the latest bios firmware for motherboard? |
| 03:33.48 | yagoo | gimpy2938, latest built came out in 2007 |
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| 03:34.10 | gimpy2938 | yagoo: I think so but I'm not sure. Odd that Ubuntu works though. |
| 03:34.13 | yagoo | gimpy2938, rather it came out 2005 , the latest bios firmware.. my err |
| 03:34.30 | yagoo | gimpy2938, lol |
| 03:34.44 | yagoo | gimpy2938, no it's actually 2007.. dunno i keep cross referencing myself |
| 03:34.53 | yagoo | gimpy2938, if this is your motherboard http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_Socket_939/A8NSLI/#download |
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| 03:35.20 | nezZario | ok i'm at a deadlock here |
| 03:35.27 | gimpy2938 | yagoo: Looks like it. |
| 03:35.36 | nezZario | i have debian installed on this secondary hd here, it appears I need proprietary drivers for my video support |
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| 03:36.11 | nezZario | and, i can't figure out how to enable wifi on the console so I can even begin installing things |
| 03:36.48 | yagoo | nezZario, nmcli and nm-tools :) |
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| 03:37.36 | nezZario | can I install packages with a usb flash drive? |
| 03:38.12 | blackshirt | Yes |
| 03:38.24 | yagoo | nezZario, you might as well fix first the network |
| 03:38.33 | yagoo | nezZario, since that's more important |
| 03:38.46 | nezZario | not even sure if this wifi card is supported |
| 03:38.57 | yagoo | nezZario, what does ifconfig -a , say ? |
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| 03:39.12 | yagoo | nezZario, do you get HWADDRESS: ? |
| 03:39.29 | yagoo | nezZario, if you do, tell me the first XX:XX << numbers.. |
| 03:39.33 | nezZario | i'm booted back into xp right now... i'm dual booting until I get networking up and running and a little comfortable |
| 03:39.50 | nezZario | i have debian installed on the secondary hd and this xp installed on the primary |
| 03:39.59 | Vasistha | does squeeze's thunderbird (icedove) support imap? and how about custom css colors? |
| 03:40.18 | yagoo | nezZario, uh.. this debian machine. you have to be booted in it, in order to get help |
| 03:40.40 | nezZario | well both of my laptops are broke (hw issues), and this is my only living machine :) |
| 03:41.23 | nezZario | i never used it, it was my wife's, .. now that i'm forced to use it, i'm putting debian on it :) |
| 03:41.42 | yagoo | nezZario, i'm still waiting for output |
| 03:41.47 | yagoo | yawns |
| 03:41.52 | nezZario | yagoo, what are you comparing that output to? |
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| 03:41.58 | nezZario | i can bring it up on my phone at least |
| 03:42.01 | yagoo | nezZario, read everything i asked |
| 03:42.35 | yagoo | nezZario, i'm not here to fix your wife |
| 03:43.29 | simonlnu | Vasistha: yes. yes, with an extension. |
| 03:43.56 | Vasistha | simonlnu: ah, nice, thank you |
| 03:44.32 | simonlnu | i use imap almost exclusively. it doesn't do acls but does with an extension. |
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| 03:45.31 | simonlnu | Vasistha: imap support these days is like not having Maildir or mbox support |
| 03:45.39 | simonlnu | er, not having imap |
| 03:46.02 | Vasistha | simonlnu: what I meant to ask was something else. hum. what was it I meant to ask. |
| 03:46.28 | CrazyGir | hello! I have an odd openssh issue on debian. when I include the standard config (in sshd_config) for a chroot'd sftp setup using openssh's internal sftp, logins that match the group used for this block will close other logins and then crash ssh & often then require a full reboot to allow another user to login via ssh |
| 03:46.48 | CrazyGir | I have LogLevel set to DEBUG3, and have created a few tests to generate logs to scour |
| 03:47.02 | simonlnu | sounds like a bug to me |
| 03:47.11 | Vasistha | simonlnu: oh yeah, *offline* imap, or locally cached imap. And I *think* I found my answer ... John Goerzen, who wrote "offlineimap" which I've been using for years, retired from that because thunderbird finally implemented something similar correctly. |
| 03:47.14 | yagoo | CrazyGir, how is the jailroot setted up? |
| 03:47.29 | CrazyGir | yagoo: are you familiar with openssh's sftp setup? |
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| 03:47.45 | yagoo | CrazyEddy, you said chroot.. this is jailroot ssh |
| 03:47.50 | CrazyGir | if you use internal-sftp you do not need to do anything |
| 03:47.53 | simonlnu | Vasistha: yes, it does. there's a few apps in debian that do too |
| 03:47.54 | yagoo | CrazyGir, i mean to say to you |
| 03:48.09 | yagoo | CrazyGir, post your sshd_config setting |
| 03:48.15 | CrazyGir | yagoo: I say chroot because the option in the ssh config is ChrootDirectory |
| 03:48.33 | Vasistha | simonlnu: others do as well, huh? I know that kmail is supposed to, but I have also heard reports of kmail having a buggy implementation that can accidentally delete loads of messages |
| 03:48.50 | yagoo | CrazyGir, i know like any sshd of a few years ago was buggy for built-in jailroot.. hopefully you're using later editions |
| 03:49.19 | simonlnu | Vasistha: kmail is iffy right now, i'd stay away from it right now. kmail2 is supposedly a lot better at everything (so i heard) but isn't in debian yet. |
| 03:49.59 | Vasistha | simonlnu: hrm. that darn kde team. they just keep pushing me away. |
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| 03:50.17 | simonlnu | kdepim *sigh* |
| 03:50.53 | simonlnu | notmuch is one that comes to mind. does tagging well (but i prefer real mailboxes ;) |
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| 03:51.38 | yagoo | CrazyGir, do you know the purpose of chrootdirectory ? it's for hiding the rest of the system from the login user |
| 03:51.52 | simonlnu | i think he does |
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| 03:52.09 | Vasistha | I am *so happy* with kde3, kmail, konversation, akregator, and ... all this other stuff. but oldstable is getting really old. |
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| 03:52.33 | simonlnu | yeh... kdepim in kde3 rocked |
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| 03:53.37 | CrazyGir | yagoo: yes I do, I have actually done this setup a dozen times, this is not new configuration to me |
| 03:54.00 | CrazyGir | yagoo: I've never had to spend more than 5 minutes on this chrooted sftp setup actually |
| 03:54.01 | yagoo | CrazyGir, I asked how the jailroot is set up because in the past people had to do a more external jailroot setup(and this is not needed anymore-- there are alot of outdated guides out there) |
| 03:54.10 | CrazyGir | but on this system, ssh is crashing hardcore |
| 03:54.34 | CrazyGir | when a user logs in matching the sftp group, when using this snippet: http://dpaste.com/683189/ |
| 03:54.39 | simonlnu | CrazyGir: so what's different about it? |
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| 03:54.58 | CrazyGir | yagoo: no, that is not how the built-in sftp functionality works in openssh |
| 03:55.02 | simonlnu | and like i said, it sounds like a bug to me |
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| 03:55.12 | CrazyGir | maybe different in the past, but it is simple now |
| 03:55.21 | yagoo | CrazyGir, what's crashing? |
| 03:55.27 | CrazyGir | see sshd_config(5) |
| 03:55.28 | aPpYe | I am not sure what is going on. When I try to get to www.edjoin.org with my linux box, it won't resolve in firefox, but the address resolves in the console with ping... In an XP vm things work in Internet explorer. Curiously, in firefox, I can go to edjoin.org, but not www.edjoin.org. This would be okay, but many of the links on their site have a www hardcoded inthem. |
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| 03:56.08 | CrazyGir | yagoo: openssh, all other active connections close, I can't open a new connection, and I can't actually get in until I restart networking AND ssh, sometimes even need to reboot |
| 03:56.22 | aPpYe | I guess I could try making a hosts file entry, but that sounds like bandaiding a problem? |
| 03:56.26 | CrazyGir | simonlnu: could you try that snippet I pasted in a debian system and test? |
| 03:56.33 | yagoo | aPpYe, that's their server configuration. it has nothing to do with your side |
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| 03:56.55 | simonlnu | aPpYe: in a moment i'm going to show you a pastebin snippet |
| 03:56.56 | aPpYe | yagoo, so why does it work fine in windows with ie? |
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| 03:57.20 | aPpYe | and why does www.edjoin.org respond to pings in the console? |
| 03:57.50 | simonlnu | aPpYe: http://paste.debian.net/151285 |
| 03:58.00 | simonlnu | i'd say that was the reason |
| 03:58.02 | CrazyGir | yagoo: maybe you could also try that snippet to see if this is a bug you can reproduce? |
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| 03:58.27 | FreezingCold | Is it safe to edit my mbr while running a distro on the same drive? Or must I do it from a LiveCD? |
| 03:58.27 | simonlnu | CrazyGir: moment |
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| 03:58.47 | yagoo | gets edjoing.org [208.73.210.29] |
| 03:59.56 | dwfreed | FreezingCold: certainly; fe, when you install grub, by default, it installs into the MBR, and can be done from a running copy of any distro |
| 04:00.07 | aPpYe | simonlnu, I got a similar result with host, but why does ping work then? |
| 04:00.09 | yagoo | FreezingCold, you're the first i ever hear who talks about "Safety" for hexediting |
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| 04:01.11 | yagoo | CrazyGir, you're saying a new ssh client network connection is crashing sshd? |
| 04:01.24 | yagoo | CrazyGir, then something is wrong with the sshd setup somewhere |
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| 04:01.41 | yagoo | oO |
| 04:01.57 | yagoo | CrazyGir, did you check the system log? |
| 04:03.00 | simonlnu | aPpYe: *shrug* |
| 04:03.15 | simonlnu | aPpYe: try with dig |
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| 04:04.49 | yagoo | aPpYe, what's in /etc/nsswitch.conf ? |
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| 04:05.50 | simonlnu | CrazyGir: works ok here |
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| 04:06.18 | FreezingCold | Hmm, wonder why I can't seem to edit my MBR safely... |
| 04:06.42 | yagoo | FreezingCold, you're not supposed to edit it. you let the tools do the job. |
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| 04:06.51 | yagoo | LOL |
| 04:07.25 | aPpYe | yagoo, http://paste.debian.net/151287/ |
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| 04:08.01 | simonlnu | CrazyGir: i did your exact set up, i even added the group, etc. it worked flawlessly |
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| 04:08.50 | yagoo | aPpYe, oh i had that problem.. apparently i sent a bugreport on this as i wasn't sure if it really is a bug-> take out "mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return]" and "mdns4" from line 11-- have line 11 be-> "hosts: files dns" |
| 04:09.02 | yagoo | aPpYe, then you'll be fine.. |
| 04:09.25 | yagoo | aPpYe, or place the mdns stuff after dns on line 11 |
| 04:09.47 | CrazyGir | simonlnu: yea, makes me wonder if this sshd has been rooted |
| 04:09.52 | yagoo | aPpYe, like ->hosts: files dns mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] mdns4 |
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| 04:10.36 | CrazyGir | yagoo: I'm saying that a user connection attempt that hits that match block (in my case a user in the sftp group) will crash the service |
| 04:10.42 | sevenninety | hey all. i have a new AMD FX 6100 6 core and my debian install says that the cpufreq scaling module is not working. Is there a source package to get cpufreq scaling support for this CPU? |
| 04:10.43 | CrazyGir | and it totally goofs networking |
| 04:10.47 | CrazyGir | I can't just restart ssh |
| 04:11.29 | yagoo | CrazyGir, what's in the sftp group ? |
| 04:11.40 | CrazyGir | huh? |
| 04:11.55 | CrazyGir | I must be speaking swahili |
| 04:12.08 | yagoo | "groups sftp" |
| 04:12.15 | aPpYe | yagoo, let me see ... |
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| 04:12.43 | CrazyGir | yagoo: what do you mean, could you be more clear? |
| 04:12.51 | CrazyGir | your words are not really making sense to me, sorry |
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| 04:13.27 | yagoo | CrazyGir, what literal are you using for the problematic group? |
| 04:13.39 | yagoo | nm |
| 04:13.44 | yagoo | i asked for your sshd_config 10 minutes ago |
| 04:14.06 | yagoo | all i got was a dumb snippet |
| 04:14.06 | nezZario | ok.. lspci shows my wifi card, something like 05:09.0 Ethernet Controller Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 802.11.... but iwconfig says eth0 doesn't have any wireless devices (or something, i'm paraphrasing a bit) |
| 04:14.28 | nezZario | i'm assuming eth0 is the wired ethernet controller .. it's mac is 00:0f:20:72... |
| 04:14.41 | nezZario | so am I sol here or missing something obvious? |
| 04:14.48 | CrazyGir | yagoo: I posted the relevant section |
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| 04:15.13 | CrazyGir | everything else is default minus a no root login and debug to 3 |
| 04:15.17 | gimpy2938 | nezZario: eth0 is the wired connection, do you have a wlan0? |
| 04:15.22 | CrazyGir | I'm not a n00b :) |
| 04:15.31 | nezZario | no just eth0 and lo |
| 04:15.51 | gimpy2938 | nezZario: Most likely you need the driver/firmware for it then. |
| 04:16.31 | gimpy2938 | nezZario: Do you see a wlan0 in 'ifconfig -a'? |
| 04:16.41 | nezZario | see, it was bitching about missing "non-free" firmware during install which said I needed tg3_tso5.bin |
| 04:16.51 | nezZario | gimpy2938: no |
| 04:16.52 | simonlnu | there ya go |
| 04:17.23 | nezZario | but tg3_tso5.bin points to a Broadcom chipset that i believe is the onboard ethernet |
| 04:17.28 | nezZario | i'm 99% sure |
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| 04:17.36 | gimpy2938 | What? An operating system that tells you what non-free things you may need? Gosh, those crazy developers....giving you information and whatnot. Damn them. |
| 04:17.37 | aPpYe | yagoo, doing either of those things did not fix things for me. A hosts file entry with their ip fixes things though ... seems kludgy to me though. |
| 04:18.07 | gimpy2938 | nezZario: Post your lspci -v. |
| 04:18.08 | simonlnu | aPpYe: that *is* kludgy |
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| 04:18.46 | nezZario | well, i really don't feel like booting back into debian ... how do I install a pkg from USB? |
| 04:18.48 | yagoo | aPpYe, you'd have to flush dns entries, did you do a reboot anyways? |
| 04:18.55 | simonlnu | nezZario: well, it wouldn't hurt to install it. |
| 04:19.01 | nezZario | i'll install this firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 04:19.05 | nezZario | see if it helps |
| 04:19.09 | simonlnu | nezZario: could you include lspci -nn too? |
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| 04:19.18 | gimpy2938 | nezZario: If you aren't going to boot into Debian how are we meant to help? |
| 04:19.27 | nezZario | i mean, without this package |
| 04:19.28 | simonlnu | nezZario: you'll have to reboot, or reload the relevant module |
| 04:19.38 | simonlnu | oh |
| 04:19.42 | yagoo | aPpYe, you should use um.. a fixed ip resolution because as i posted with a thought.. my ip address resolves to a different ip# for that hostname |
| 04:19.52 | yagoo | aPpYe, "not" |
| 04:20.18 | yagoo | aPpYe, and they can start doing anything on their server end to filter traffic.. |
| 04:20.22 | aPpYe | yagoo, no reboot ... I thought debian did not cache dns? |
| 04:20.29 | nezZario | dpkg -i |
| 04:20.29 | dpkg | nezZario: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 04:20.31 | yagoo | aPpYe, all systems do |
| 04:20.53 | aPpYe | okay, so some equivalent to windows' ipconfig /flushdns? |
| 04:20.56 | aPpYe | how to do? |
| 04:21.02 | nezZario | meh, ... i'm in hell here.. |
| 04:21.08 | yagoo | aPpYe, clear out that static ip# and then try that ping <hostname>..(unless you want to install something like rndc to clear out/flush dns etc etc) |
| 04:21.16 | nezZario | would a default debian install have the ability to read ntfs partitions? |
| 04:21.24 | nezZario | i'm pretty sure this usb drive is ntfs formatted |
| 04:21.33 | simonlnu | um, read only |
| 04:21.39 | nezZario | or no, it's fat32 |
| 04:22.09 | nezZario | just want to put that firmware-linux-nonfree_0.34_all.deb on a usb flash drive and install it which has my broadcom drivers |
| 04:22.24 | simonlnu | shouldn't be a problem |
| 04:22.25 | nezZario | it's worth a shot, i'm 99% sure it's the wired ethernet drivers, but if i'm wrong, it's a good thing |
| 04:23.11 | aPpYe | yagoo, not sure I am following ... how do I "clear out that static ip?" |
| 04:24.13 | nezZario | the device should be /dev/sdb or similar right? |
| 04:24.21 | nezZario | i guess i have the know how to at least find it myself |
| 04:24.24 | yagoo | nezZario, i have a similar marvel but it's wired.. you have to 1)know the chipset you're dealing with and 2)lsmod .. see if the correct driver is loaded -- see if "dmesg" complains about a missing firmware file |
| 04:25.00 | yagoo | nezZario, the good news is you at least have a mac-address.. so it's working up to some level.. but i have no idea it's 50% or 100% |
| 04:25.24 | nezZario | yeah, let's see if these "non-free" drivers are my solution |
| 04:25.42 | yagoo | aPpYe, you said you made some static entry for it in some hosts file.. i thought you were saying this |
| 04:25.59 | yagoo | aPpYe, i was telling you this is not a good idea |
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| 04:26.31 | nezZario | wish me luck |
| 04:27.02 | yagoo | nezZario, non-free is part of a repo. you're wasting time installing packages manually like that over usb sticks.. there are XXX dependencies |
| 04:27.42 | aPpYe | yagoo, I see. yeah I deleted the entry in the hosts file, but I am not sure how to "flush" the dns cache |
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| 04:29.43 | teratoma | so when i make my custom deb and install it... the 'conffiles' are missing. any idea why that would happen? |
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| 04:30.14 | aPpYe | yagoo, hmm. I was looking at your posts... the address is always pingable, with or without the www ... it is just that it only works WITHOUT the www in firefox ... |
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| 04:30.50 | yagoo | aPpYe, so? what's the problem here? you want to see "www" in the web browser? and how is this a debian problem? i'd like to know.. |
| 04:31.47 | yagoo | doesn't believe aPpYe's problem |
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| 04:31.59 | SachinDey | I just installed debian sid from CD1 and there's no gnome network manager |
| 04:32.05 | yagoo | never in my life has somebody complained about not seeing www in the webbrowser url |
| 04:32.10 | yagoo | lol |
| 04:32.44 | aPpYe | yagoo, this happens with my archlinux install as well. In firefox, I can go to edjoin.org, but not www.edjoin.org. The problem arises because they have the www hard coded in many of their links. |
| 04:33.01 | yagoo | SachinDey, that stuff uses dbus, maybe gnome-status-applet or on of those gnome- packages carries it |
| 04:33.21 | aPpYe | I don't know where the problem is honestly, I just thought I would ask people here. |
| 04:33.43 | gimpy2938 | yagoo: Ever try to give someone a URL that doesn't start with www? "So just go to support.netser..." "ok, www..." "no, there is no www, just support.netser..." "so www..." |
| 04:33.45 | yagoo | aPpYe, you sound 12 which is fine. I already said it's a server configuration like 15-20 minutes ago |
| 04:34.08 | SachinDey | yagoo my only internet access is the phone now i cant use it |
| 04:34.10 | yagoo | aPpYe, carry on to do your hacking.. there's more important issues at base |
| 04:34.42 | aPpYe | I sound 12? I am not hacking. my wife wants to get on edjoin.org. thanks for the elitist remarks though. real helpful. |
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| 04:35.03 | yagoo | aPpYe, figure. It's a server issue. my station gets a different ip#. |
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| 04:48.32 | grayghost | when I try to run gnome partition editor ... i input the root password .... and the program never starts..... when I try to run it in a terminal ... I get error message "mhc is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." how do I add it to the file ??? |
| 04:49.20 | somiaj | grayghost: if you have a default debian install, 'adduser username sudo' to add to the sudoers group, that whole group should have sudo privlages |
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| 04:50.03 | somiaj | grayghost: you will have to logout/login after you add yourself to that group to get credit of being in it. |
| 04:50.06 | yagoo | grayghost, i believe it has to do with some strange dbus policy besides a proper sudoer setup.. i gave up on that and simply login as root gui (you'll have to modify a pam rule to let root login graphically), or you can simply su -l in xterm and use parted(which i more often do) |
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| 04:56.17 | joeoshawa | how do you unmount a dvd using command line |
| 04:56.38 | technologov__ | umount /mnt/cdrom |
| 04:57.01 | technologov__ | (or any other location) |
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| 04:57.14 | joeoshawa | unmount gets command not found |
| 04:57.57 | pksadiq | joeoshawa: its umount not unmount |
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| 05:01.03 | Necrosporus | Hello. I found a bug in debian installer, but I do not have Debian installed, so I do not have debian bug utility, and I do not want to write into its mailing list because it would cause my email to be exposed |
| 05:01.30 | Necrosporus | Can I report the bug right here? |
| 05:01.31 | h3xis | use a disposable email? |
| 05:01.43 | technologov__ | use 10minutemail.com or similar |
| 05:02.02 | Necrosporus | I guess, it only accept emails, but doesn't let to write it |
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| 05:04.22 | Necrosporus | The bug happens if you choose loop type partition table and ext* filesystem |
| 05:04.46 | Necrosporus | The installer start to make the filesystem, but it hangs at the middle |
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| 05:11.45 | nezZario | K |
| 05:11.50 | nezZario | non-free drivers didn't do jack |
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| 05:13.23 | nezZario | can anyone make heads or tails of this: http://paste.debian.net/151290/ |
| 05:13.30 | nezZario | wlan0 stil not present in ifconfig |
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| 05:13.52 | joeoshawa | so anyone know how to unmount from command line |
| 05:14.04 | joeoshawa | unmount command doesn't work |
| 05:14.13 | nezZario | umount |
| 05:15.24 | joeoshawa | command not found hence the reason i said it doesn't work |
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| 05:16.01 | joeoshawa | mount works unmount doesn't |
| 05:16.04 | nezZario | maybe you need to be root |
| 05:16.10 | joeoshawa | that is as root |
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| 05:17.27 | grayghost | is it possible for a 250 gb drive to have over 131000 relocated sectors ..... that is what smart shows in disk utility ???? |
| 05:18.19 | nezZario | sounds like it's about to die |
| 05:18.45 | grayghost | is "smart" part of the disk firmware or the operating system? |
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| 05:20.22 | pksadiq | joeoshawa: did you use umount or unmount? there is no "n". umount is it |
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| 05:22.07 | joeoshawa | thanks kinda dumb should be unmount |
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| 05:23.11 | h3xis | grayghost: the HDD can have support for SMART, which is talked to by a utility |
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| 05:24.21 | grayghost | so the errors reported are stored on the disk . |
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| 05:26.44 | h3xis | grayghost: no. SMART is capable of reading attributes from the drive. it just reports the values back |
| 05:27.42 | grayghost | when I try to refresh the smart data I get an error that the demon is being inhubited ?? |
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| 05:43.26 | rghosh | I'm creating a Maverick-based live USB image that boots in text mode. What is the best way to have it run a program at startup instead of presenting a shell? |
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| 05:49.43 | nevyn | !ubuntu |
| 05:49.44 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 05:51.22 | simonlnu | nosey|off: fix your network |
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| 05:52.50 | rghosh | Sorry. So if I used Debian to make a Live USB that booted in text-mode, what would be a good way to have it run a program at start-up instead of presenting a shell? |
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| 06:07.43 | simonlnu | rghosh: replace getty with your program? |
| 06:07.54 | simonlnu | duh |
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| 06:36.13 | optraz | do we need antivirus for linux ? |
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| 06:36.49 | unreal-dude | do we? |
| 06:36.50 | unreal-dude | lol |
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| 06:37.03 | optraz | do i? |
| 06:37.20 | optraz | few years ago, i was understand that we do not need it for linux |
| 06:37.29 | optraz | but time has passed, so that assumption not might valid now |
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| 06:37.37 | unreal-dude | i still dont run any |
| 06:37.38 | optraz | so im asking do linux need an antivirus? |
| 06:37.45 | unreal-dude | time has passed, prolly less linux users |
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| 06:43.45 | joeoshawa | i don't run any antivirus and my dad comes over just to look at porn and i use p2p and torrents |
| 06:43.58 | joeoshawa | no viruses yet |
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| 06:45.08 | pksadiq | joeoshawa: hm, don't forget, this channel is publicly logged, and available in google searches :) |
| 06:45.18 | joeoshawa | umm and |
| 06:45.34 | joeoshawa | what part of that is illegal |
| 06:46.13 | joeoshawa | didn't know looking at pornography and downloading files is illegal |
| 06:46.42 | pksadiq | joeoshawa: there are manything that isn't illigal by law, but illigal as a social animal(atleast it was before, may not be now :( ) |
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| 06:48.23 | joeoshawa | while i don't look at porn myself unless its me and my wife i do not judge others nor do i care what others think of me |
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| 06:48.52 | joeoshawa | the only people i answer to is myself and god |
| 06:49.17 | pksadiq | joeoshawa: what would you say to you your younger child if you see him/her watching porn? |
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| 06:50.25 | joeoshawa | i would talk to them about sex and explain that there is nothing wrong with being interested in the human body and the feelings they get are normal |
| 06:51.19 | joeoshawa | then i would explain that sex is natural but has consequences and discuss disease and pregnancy |
| 06:51.29 | joeoshawa | your point |
| 06:52.12 | pksadiq | joeoshawa: and what would have happened if the same happened when your where seen by your father/mom? |
| 06:52.13 | arjun_ | It may be natural but here our topic is Debian. |
| 06:52.29 | joeoshawa | the same thing |
| 06:52.41 | joeoshawa | and it did |
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| 06:52.54 | joeoshawa | i was younger then about 13 |
| 06:52.57 | pksadiq | joeoshawa: would you like to waste some time at pvt? this is #debian :) |
| 06:53.12 | joeoshawa | your convo not mine |
| 06:53.18 | joeoshawa | you started it |
| 06:53.32 | joeoshawa | what i said was on topic for viruses |
| 06:53.46 | pksadiq | joeoshawa: of course HIV is :D |
| 06:53.51 | joeoshawa | maybe you should heed your own advice |
| 06:53.58 | joeoshawa | you asked |
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| 07:02.31 | Miesco | Does wheezy have wine yet? |
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| 07:02.39 | nezzario | Ok sweet |
| 07:02.41 | nezzario | I'm on debian :D |
| 07:03.01 | nezzario | Now, .. How the heck do I set aptitude to stop worrying about the install CD? |
| 07:03.44 | boudiccas | nezzario; edit the sources.list file to comment out the lines containing cd/dvd in |
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| 07:06.14 | boudiccas | ,versions wine |
| 07:06.14 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.0.1-3.4; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
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| 07:09.16 | Miesco | boudiccas: so... no? |
| 07:09.48 | boudiccas | Miesco; you can see for yourself in the bots output |
| 07:10.06 | Miesco | I don't like the output |
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| 07:16.40 | balleyne | Does anyone know how to install the GNOME Shell System Monitor? (Or a system-monitor equivalent for GNOME 3). There's an Ubuntu PPA, but I'm a bit wary of just using that in Debian.. |
| 07:17.07 | boudiccas | balleyne; would gkrellm do? |
| 07:18.34 | nvz | balleyne: installing ubuntu ppas will not only fail to work, but break your package system badly |
| 07:19.27 | balleyne | nvz: that's what I was worried about... I guess just install from source if it's not the repos? |
| 07:19.49 | nvz | balleyne: if its not even in sid or something, then yeah pretty much |
| 07:20.04 | balleyne | boudiccas, hadn't heard of gkrellm, I was hoping for something subtle for the top panel like gnome-system-monitor, but I'll check it out -- thanks for the suggestion |
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| 07:20.36 | nvz | balleyne: there is also things like gdesklets and the google toolbar applets |
| 07:21.12 | nvz | balleyne: I personally saw gnome 3 and ran away screaming, so I dont know for certain about using the traditional system monitor applet in that |
| 07:21.21 | boudiccas | ,versions gdesklets |
| 07:21.22 | judd | Package: gdesklets on i386 -- lenny: 0.36-5; squeeze: 0.36.1-4.1; sid: 0.36.1-5+b1; wheezy: 0.36.1-5+b1 |
| 07:22.09 | nvz | o.O |
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| 07:22.42 | nvz | oh I guess I read that wrong.. looked like lenny had a newer version than squeeze.. heh |
| 07:23.55 | balleyne | nvz: thanks. yeah, I'm giving GNOME 3 a try but not on my primary install... there was a system monitor adaption as a Unity applet, looks like there's a GNOME Shell one too (but I'll have to install from source). It definitely feels like an experiment... |
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| 07:26.53 | joeoshawa | that's why i am using xfce |
| 07:27.36 | joeoshawa | not into the new style of interface tho i have not tried gnome 3 |
| 07:28.05 | nvz | balleyne: idk, I hope it gets sorted out before I find a need to have to use it cause at this point I'm feeling like I'd rather stay on my current software forever |
| 07:28.05 | joeoshawa | it broke when it updated |
| 07:29.33 | balleyne | nvz: I use Ubuntu on some machines, and felt the same with the Unity transition at first. I tried using it for a few weeks in the Spring, but went back to Gnome 2. With the 11.10 upgrade in the fall, I gave it another shot. It's gotten better, but I still curse it a few times a day (though there are some nice things that I like) |
| 07:29.37 | joeoshawa | that's why i switched i figured there's no real way to continue to use the old without not updating which means eventually never using any new software so short of updating the code myself i had to find a new interface |
| 07:30.19 | joeoshawa | unity has potential but its no where near usable as far as i am conserned |
| 07:30.24 | balleyne | nvz: figured I should give Gnome 3 a chance too. But it is a really disruptive switch, have to rewire all sorts of keyboard shortcuts and drop notions of expected behaviour, etc... can be a very frustrating transition |
| 07:30.59 | nvz | balleyne: yeah well, I'm a sawfish user so it has been a pain in my ass for years now.. heh |
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| 07:31.38 | joeoshawa | hopefully xfce doesn't go the same route cause i will have to go postal |
| 07:32.11 | balleyne | nvz: lol maybe never is the answer then |
| 07:33.11 | nvz | I still havent found a way short of mv /usr/bin/gnome-wm /usr/bin/fuckgnomewm && ln -s /usr/bin/sawfish /usr/bin/gnomewm to run sawfish in gnome |
| 07:33.39 | nvz | the script gnomewm says it respects environment vars, and also the gconf key but it doesnt |
| 07:34.05 | nvz | it loads f'n metacity or something similar like mutter or compiz at all costs even if you remove the packages |
| 07:34.17 | nvz | how I dont know but it'll load nothing at all before it'll load sawfish |
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| 07:35.01 | joeoshawa | nvz install the pieces separately not as one big package |
| 07:35.02 | maik | this isn't the wm you're looking for |
| 07:36.01 | nvz | joeoshawa: that makes no difference.. the only way you can do that is with a custom session and call gnome-panel& nautilus -n& gnome-settings-daemon& ... sawfish |
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| 07:36.19 | nvz | from something like ~/.xsession |
| 07:37.01 | nvz | then you lose out on the funcionality of gnome-session to save things across a session and logout using the panel..etc |
| 07:37.14 | nvz | only way to logout is through sawfish.. |
| 07:37.58 | joeoshawa | glad i tossed gnome |
| 07:38.51 | nvz | I could live without it, or without X at all.. but it makes some tasks easier and with my level of pain and aggrivation in life in general I just deal with it |
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| 07:40.36 | nvz | sawfish is unparalleled though.. kahakai and a few other now totally dead projects came close to its control but required loading, hacking, saving, and reloading the wm to apply.. sawfish is lisp.. you set a setting and its set period.. no opening configs, no saving them, no restarting the wm.. you just tell it to do something and it does it right then and there |
| 07:40.43 | delvalle26 | I kept GDM because of the gnome-keyring and network manager issue I had... |
| 07:40.56 | delvalle26 | Running awesome wm now, and using gnu screen and cli for many things too |
| 07:41.20 | nvz | metacity is just a joke.. it offers only core wm functionality and if I wanted to use a UI that f'n lame I'd just go back to using windows |
| 07:41.51 | delvalle26 | I may do an a debian install to revive an old netbook, I might go the startx route again... |
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| 07:42.35 | delvalle26 | it's just I think with dbus, policy kit, console kit, etc, they are expecting all users to use a login manager... |
| 07:42.36 | delvalle26 | or something |
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| 07:42.53 | Alpha-Omega | question: how is the mail command useful is someone uses a GUI, they never see it right? |
| 07:43.30 | delvalle26 | there could be a front-end for it |
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| 07:43.39 | delvalle26 | That's the beauty of apps that can pipe data :P |
| 07:44.02 | nvz | Alpha-Omega: now that just sounds like ignorant thinking to me.. everything you use pretty much in a GUI is merely a fronend to a command line utility |
| 07:44.39 | nvz | take something as fancy as k3b the cd burner app, its all just a bloated frontend to wodim or such |
| 07:44.59 | delvalle26 | which is actually a good thing, love that modular approach |
| 07:45.22 | Alpha-Omega | nvz, yeah, but let's say you set cron up to send you mail at a certain time, how would you see that reminder if you're in a GUI? the only time I've seen mail work is if you load into a terminal on boot |
| 07:45.36 | Alpha-Omega | and with a login manager such as slim, don't think you would ever see mail |
| 07:45.44 | delvalle26 | I can pop open a terminal in X, and type mail |
| 07:45.47 | delvalle26 | and it works fine? |
| 07:46.21 | Alpha-Omega | delvalle26, but if I want to be reminded about something, i don't want to have to remember to type in mail after |
| 07:46.24 | Alpha-Omega | doesn't make sense |
| 07:46.24 | nvz | Alpha-Omega: if you setup cron, you could setup the script it calls to have a gui component.. simplest way to hack GUI into a script is with something like zenity or gnome-dialog |
| 07:46.37 | delvalle26 | right, or pipe it to some notify thing |
| 07:46.40 | delvalle26 | or use aosdcat |
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| 07:46.50 | Alpha-Omega | delvalle26, yeah I guess that would work |
| 07:46.50 | delvalle26 | I use that as an on screen display all the time |
| 07:47.02 | nvz | never heard of that one I use gnome-osd |
| 07:47.07 | Alpha-Omega | or have the terminal check for mail whenever you launch it |
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| 07:47.18 | delvalle26 | the point is since all the tools are there, you can mix, match |
| 07:47.26 | delvalle26 | use some one else solution or make your wn |
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| 07:47.47 | delvalle26 | I use realpine for mail checking, I get a nice little "bell in window 4" if I have new email |
| 07:48.25 | joeoshawa | i currently use xfce on a basic debian install booting to a prompt login and type startx for a wm |
| 07:48.45 | nvz | I use my android phone for email, as for local mail, I dont read that crap anyhow.. heh |
| 07:48.52 | joeoshawa | i only install what i need for the programs i want to run |
| 07:48.59 | delvalle26 | I'm still grateful to the gnome3 people |
| 07:49.03 | nvz | I dont think I've ever read local mail ever |
| 07:49.04 | delvalle26 | gave me a reason to try something else |
| 07:49.10 | delvalle26 | nvz, type mail now, do it |
| 07:49.13 | Alpha-Omega | nvz, didn't know about zenity, pretty cool, thanks |
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| 07:50.03 | nvz | delvalle26: said no mail for nvz :-P |
| 07:50.42 | delvalle26 | I have 3 pieces of mail from aptlistchanges... |
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| 07:51.10 | nvz | my phone goes off when I got email.. local mail I dont use and try not to let anything else use.. cause I know I wont check it.. like my voicemails.. heh |
| 07:51.49 | nvz | I used to make sprint disable my voicemail box cause I wont ever check em.. lately I'm just tired of arguing with stupid people who dont know how to stop voicemails from happening |
| 07:51.51 | delvalle26 | Eeek, how odd, changing the Control key to Primary Key can break shortcusts |
| 07:51.57 | delvalle26 | libxfce4 |
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| 07:52.03 | delvalle26 | see, local mail is valuable :P |
| 07:52.05 | delvalle26 | sort of |
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| 07:53.04 | joeoshawa | that's cool i just read mine |
| 07:53.26 | joeoshawa | i have to discipline myself for using sudo without permission |
| 07:53.43 | nvz | I have way more important stuff I dont do, than reading mail.. heh |
| 07:54.27 | joeoshawa | you won't if someone tries to hack your system |
| 07:54.34 | delvalle26 | Alright, but those 3 mails I had were eating nearly 3kb of space |
| 07:54.49 | delvalle26 | I can use those kb for um, something very small instead |
| 07:54.49 | nvz | joeoshawa: thats what auth.log is for.. |
| 07:55.14 | nvz | reads auth.log but not mail |
| 07:55.40 | joeoshawa | i have a 1tb hdd so i am not concerned with 3kb |
| 07:56.17 | nvz | then again I also dont care about someone trying or succeeding at hacking my system unless its doing something that effects me.. which I'd see anyhow |
| 07:56.56 | nvz | last time I got hacked I noticed and it was only an irc bot.. which didnt even use much resources |
| 07:57.27 | nvz | I monitor my resources in real time and know what I'm personally using.. so I dont need reminders about shit I already knew about |
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| 07:58.34 | nvz | I've always taken a more open approach to security anyhow.. if someone is gonna try hard enough to get in, I'm gonna let em.. what does stopping em tell you? nothing! Letting em in tells you what they're after.. know thy enemy |
| 08:00.38 | nvz | you keep your friend's on their own computer and let your enemies hack you. I actually was quite unsettled by the fact my friend reached over and googled something on my machine when I was at his house the other day. |
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| 08:01.21 | delvalle26 | hmm |
| 08:01.33 | delvalle26 | your interface must be to friendly |
| 08:01.33 | nvz | The only reason I didnt say anything is cause I was using his cell phone for internet at the moment which is how he normally gets internet on his desktop. But it bothered be because that puts shit I dont look for in my search history.. if he had opened an icongnito window that'd be different |
| 08:01.47 | nvz | had the browser open already |
| 08:02.12 | delvalle26 | hmm, still too friendly |
| 08:02.21 | delvalle26 | I use uzbl which is modal, or elinks in screen |
| 08:02.33 | delvalle26 | if my friends could use that, they have my blessing to poison my search history |
| 08:02.36 | delvalle26 | haha |
| 08:02.52 | nvz | heh.. well yes, I use chrome.. and prefer links2 for text browsers |
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| 08:05.23 | nvz | I've never used larger than a 500gb hdd, I dont feel the technology is reliable enough to hold more data than that. never had a need for more than 1tb yet even on servers, so I just use 3x500mb raid 5 in that situation |
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| 08:05.48 | nvz | if I had 1tb drive I'd need at least two of em to feel comfortable putting any data on it |
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| 08:07.30 | nvz | I also tend to buy white label drives when doing raid.. cause I figure the technology enevitably fails anyhow, and the raid tolerates that failure, so why pay more that the cheapest drives? |
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| 08:07.55 | nvz | inevitably even |
| 08:08.02 | nvz | shoots his typist |
| 08:08.10 | joeoshawa | wonder why i keep reseting |
| 08:08.16 | delvalle26 | hmm had to google white label drives |
| 08:08.19 | nvz | joeoshawa: ping timeout |
| 08:08.43 | nvz | joeoshawa: either very high latency on your network or something of that nature |
| 08:09.16 | nvz | delvalle26: usually surplus or such that have been sold to another company and had to be unbranded |
| 08:09.32 | nvz | delvalle26: can get em dirt cheap because they no longer carry the name brand |
| 08:09.37 | delvalle26 | yeah seems like a good deal |
| 08:09.51 | joeoshawa | hahaha my torrents |
| 08:10.23 | nvz | oh yeah, bittorent is like rsync over ssh.. can saturate your connection to the point it kills it if you dont throttle it |
| 08:10.44 | nvz | I've had rsync kill my wifi before and its not nearly as effecient as bittorent |
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| 08:12.46 | joeoshawa | transmission is the one i use |
| 08:12.53 | joeoshawa | i just stopped it |
| 08:13.01 | delvalle26 | you can set usage limits in the preferences |
| 08:13.15 | joeoshawa | yeah i do if i am online gaming |
| 08:13.33 | joeoshawa | doesn't really affect browsing much i got a great connection |
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| 08:13.41 | nvz | yeah I use transmission too, its a nice client most complaint I've had with it is its priority settings sometimes dont seem ideal |
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| 08:14.39 | nvz | it has a daemon, cli, gui, and web interface.. most all the bells and whistles you'd want from a bittorent client and its pretty clean and easy to use |
| 08:14.55 | joeoshawa | i was going to say i don't care what people think of my browser history, my dad does so he usually does the erase last hour blah blah blah |
| 08:15.27 | nvz | yeah well its not just a matter of browser history.. it also ends up in my google history as I was logged in |
| 08:15.31 | joeoshawa | my computer is mine if i let people use it so be it but i'll be damned if some sob is going to violate my space |
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| 08:15.55 | nvz | it not only makes more cruft for me to sift through looking for something but skews my search results when other people use it |
| 08:16.22 | nvz | google knows what I want based on what I search for and click on |
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| 08:17.49 | nvz | I like the convenience of google knowing me |
| 08:18.34 | nvz | though I am starting to have my doubts due to shit like me getting random "chics" popping up via gtalk on my phone now cause they went and partnered with AIM so now I'm apparentl a f'n AIM user without them asking me |
| 08:18.55 | qwd | I just discovered this to open files in the terminal alias open='xdg-open >/dev/null 2>&1' and I'd like to use it when opening files from mc as well. How can I do that? |
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| 08:20.23 | nvz | qwd: http://ubuntuincident.wordpress.com/2010/12/08/configure-mc-open-files/ |
| 08:20.50 | joeoshawa | my biggest curiosity right now is what is going to happen with skype |
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| 08:21.08 | nvz | idk havent used or payed attention to skype in years |
| 08:21.34 | joeoshawa | it will be interesting to see microcrap actually produce linux native software |
| 08:21.35 | qwd | nvz: look at your google talk settings, pretty sure you can make it so only your contacts can write messages. and gtalk is xmpp and federated, that doesn't really make you an AIM user. |
| 08:21.46 | nvz | joeoshawa: microsoft bought it? |
| 08:21.59 | qwd | nvz: and thanks :) |
| 08:22.22 | nvz | qwd: the people reaching my phone via gtalk are from aim.. so they must have me listed now in some aol user search |
| 08:22.35 | joeoshawa | yep and they say they assure everyone that mac and linux versions will not only keep being made but upgraded more often |
| 08:22.46 | nvz | and I'd rather just disable gtalk entirely or at least on my phone.. I've no interest in it |
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| 08:23.00 | nvz | I pickup my phone thinking its email or sms.. i.e. something relevant |
| 08:23.20 | nvz | I don't "im" or "chat" outside freenode |
| 08:23.52 | nvz | joeoshawa: hmm thats news to me... and also all the more reason not to use it anymore.. heh |
| 08:23.56 | joeoshawa | i only use amsn and skype and only to talk to family |
| 08:24.05 | qwd | nvz: maybe, but I can send you a message from my account at some random xmpp server. if MS decides to allow federation the same could be done by someone using msn. that's a good thing, just like you can get emails from hotmail even if you use gmail. |
| 08:24.30 | joeoshawa | problem is the best and most convenient video chat for linux is skype |
| 08:25.02 | qwd | joeoshawa: tried google talk? |
| 08:25.14 | nvz | idk I no more video chat than I do chat period.. the only time I spend doing anything chat like is doing support on freenode |
| 08:25.43 | nvz | I'm actually torn on the idea of tearing apart this new laptop to remove my webcam like I did on the netbook |
| 08:25.46 | joeoshawa | my family doesn't use google talk |
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| 08:26.11 | nvz | cause the only use that f'n thing has is the possibility of someone hacking it and using it.. cause I sure as hell dont intend to |
| 08:26.26 | qwd | nvz: go to talk settings on your phone and change so it doesn't log in automatically |
| 08:26.37 | nvz | I just dont like the idea that it neither has a light indicating its use or a manual switch to turn it on/off |
| 08:27.07 | nvz | I dont know where talk settings are.. I didnt even know I had talk on there until people started sending me messages.. heh |
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| 08:27.14 | joeoshawa | nvz if you don't want it why go to all that trouble just push a nail through the lens |
| 08:27.39 | nvz | joeoshawa: just took this computer out of the box yesterday.. not really wanting to do stuff like that |
| 08:28.17 | ompaul | nvz: some black tape applied to the lens |
| 08:28.29 | joeoshawa | or paint |
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| 08:28.49 | ompaul | nvz: it's only exposed to the outside world if you use tools that open it up |
| 08:28.52 | nvz | ompaul: as I've said before in here.. my netbook not only has black tape over it, no driver to support the hardware, but also has the camera physically removed.. heh |
| 08:29.19 | nvz | its like the gps on my phone.. has been both physically and software disabled |
| 08:29.21 | ompaul | nvz: I know, I think you go too far, but time will prove me wrong some time in the future. |
| 08:29.35 | joeoshawa | and if you don't use gtalk why have it? |
| 08:29.46 | qwd | joeoshawa: it's a default app |
| 08:29.48 | nvz | joeoshawa: as I said, I didnt know I did have it.. |
| 08:29.50 | joeoshawa | i never connect that crap |
| 08:30.12 | joeoshawa | don't you need a user name |
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| 08:30.33 | nvz | its an android phone.. requires gmail.. heh |
| 08:31.07 | nvz | but I just now turned off sign in on gtalk.. I had set it to invisible before and thought that was the same thing |
| 08:31.23 | langkid1 | how do I list all the packages installed? |
| 08:31.26 | nvz | been meaning to pry the app out with tweasers just didnt feel like going through the troble |
| 08:31.42 | nvz | langkid1: dpkg -l | egrep ^.i |
| 08:31.53 | nvz | langkid1: or just use something like synaptic |
| 08:32.04 | langkid1 | how about APT? |
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| 08:32.14 | qwd | nvz: make sure to read up on it first, it might create problems. I don't know if it will but I do know that removing some default apps that don't seem like a big deal creates problems. |
| 08:32.20 | nvz | langkid1: apt hasn't a f'n clue whats installed on your system.. |
| 08:32.25 | langkid1 | ok |
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| 08:33.17 | nvz | langkid1: apt is just a frontend for dpkg that fetches packages, it queries dpkg to know what the state of packages is on the system |
| 08:33.34 | qwd | langkid1: this lists all packages that you've manually installed aptitude search '~i !~M !~pstandard !~pimportant !~prequired' |
| 08:34.04 | nvz | yes aptitude on the other hand is a much more advanced frontend and keeps its own database |
| 08:34.47 | langkid1 | how do I uninstall apache2? APT says that it's not installed, BUT whenever the system comes up from a restart apache2 starts up again |
| 08:34.51 | qwd | that shows stuff i've installed with "dpkg -i" as well so you shouldn't have to have used aptitude for it to work |
| 08:35.13 | nvz | I never really learned to use aptitude cause I've been using debian for long before it came out.. and the only time I bother with it is to aptitude -f install when things are FUBAR |
| 08:35.14 | virtual_lark | hello there. i would like to me DM. accodring to documents i need to have my key digned by 1+ DD. can some one from DDs sign my key? |
| 08:35.23 | langkid1 | I currently don't want apache2 at all, since the services I"m trying to run have their own web server built in |
| 08:35.30 | virtual_lark | s/me/be/ |
| 08:35.43 | nvz | langkid1: what does dpkg -l apache2 say? |
| 08:36.06 | nvz | virtual_lark: #debian-mentors |
| 08:36.18 | virtual_lark | nvz, 10x |
| 08:36.23 | ompaul | nvz: which netwokr :) |
| 08:36.29 | nvz | forgot the damn related factoids |
| 08:36.35 | langkid1 | http://pastebin.com/k9NVBCf3 |
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| 08:36.47 | nvz | !new maint |
| 08:36.48 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 08:36.53 | nvz | !mentors |
| 08:36.53 | dpkg | methinks mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 08:37.01 | nvz | virtual_lark: ^ |
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| 08:37.18 | nvz | virtual_lark: questions of that nature are beyond the scope and topic of this channel |
| 08:38.01 | virtual_lark | hehe i was kicked from #debian-mentors, cuz it's invite only :) |
| 08:38.19 | langkid1 | nvz http://pastebin.com/k9NVBCf3 |
| 08:38.21 | nvz | virtual_lark: did you go to irc.debian.org (OFTC)? |
| 08:38.45 | virtual_lark | nvz, nope :( |
| 08:39.01 | mr6111 | Hello, is there a better way to read xfs without rebooting after installing xfsprogs? |
| 08:39.16 | nvz | o.O |
| 08:39.24 | nvz | why would you have to reboot? |
| 08:39.31 | mr6111 | well I am asking |
| 08:39.44 | nvz | well the answer is, you dont have to reboot in linux ever |
| 08:39.45 | mr6111 | How do I activate the mount? |
| 08:40.04 | nvz | the only case you'd have to reboot is when installing a new kernel and these days you dont even need to reboot to load a new kernel |
| 08:40.37 | nvz | mr6111: using the mount command would be my guess |
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| 08:41.02 | mr6111 | nvz I have tried that, still not showing up |
| 08:41.24 | nvz | what the hell do you mean by "showing up"? |
| 08:41.27 | mr6111 | I know it will show after a reboot, but I am stubborn and running out of patients :D |
| 08:41.44 | nvz | what are you expecting it to do, what are you doing to get expected result, and what is actually happening? |
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| 08:43.02 | mr6111 | ok, well I have just run a clean netinstall, fluxbox and my externals are xfs.. I have installed xfs progs.. How do I mount it? |
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| 08:44.25 | nvz | mr6111: oh, so these are USB drives? |
| 08:44.33 | mr6111 | yep |
| 08:45.55 | blubberdiblub | mount -t xfs -o yourmountoptions /dev/yourdevice /your/mount/point |
| 08:45.55 | nvz | mr6111: mount -t xfs /dev/sdb1 /mnt or whatever.. depending on what the device names are and what mount point you want to use |
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| 08:47.20 | mr6111 | How can I check what is mounted already nvz? Sorry for the newbness, google blows in links.. This is my main pc |
| 08:47.36 | nvz | mr6111: cat /etc/mtab or df -Th |
| 08:47.51 | blubberdiblub | or just "mount" |
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| 08:48.19 | nvz | blubberdiblub: hmm.. I didnt know about that one |
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| 08:48.44 | nvz | bah.. just found out there is yet another battery issue on this machine even after flashing the bios to resolve the last one |
| 08:48.53 | nvz | apparently these idiots dont know how to program |
| 08:49.00 | ilj | hi, I've this older Debian v5.0.9 computer, and I want to install zsnes 1.42n/1.43 VRPE. Well, anyone knows where can I find a deb package for it? |
| 08:49.16 | blubberdiblub | nvz, well, df is probably better, as it doesn't show some stuff you usually don't want to see |
| 08:49.22 | ilj | is there a place that stores loder packages for debian or something? |
| 08:49.40 | nvz | ,versions znes |
| 08:49.40 | judd | No package named 'znes' was found in i386. |
| 08:49.41 | mr6111 | k the second one was the one I wanted nvz.. Cheers blubberdiblub .. the "mount" does exactly like nvz's first command.. thanks |
| 08:49.47 | nvz | ,versions zsnes |
| 08:49.49 | judd | Package: zsnes on i386 -- lenny: 1.510-2.2; squeeze: 1.510-2.2+b1; sid: 1.510+bz2-1; wheezy: 1.510+bz2-1 |
| 08:50.05 | ilj | nvz, that's too new, doesn't have netplay :) |
| 08:50.29 | simonlnu | is mr6111 a doctor? he said he's running out of patients. |
| 08:50.31 | nvz | ilj: ah.. you specifically want an OLDER package. thats a new one.. |
| 08:50.37 | ilj | right |
| 08:50.40 | nvz | simonlnu: I was wondering that too |
| 08:51.53 | mr6111 | simonlnu: I'd google the correct spelling but I do alright for "english as a second language" :d |
| 08:52.09 | simonlnu | yup |
| 08:52.16 | simonlnu | 'patience', fyi |
| 08:52.26 | simonlnu | yup you do |
| 08:53.16 | mr6111 | cheers mate |
| 08:53.23 | nvz | ilj: http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/zsnes/ |
| 08:54.11 | nvz | ilj: you would need to setup pinning to avoid upgrading that package |
| 08:54.28 | nvz | actually would a hold work in that case as well? |
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| 08:54.42 | nvz | cause i for one use gqview from lenny and need to set that up myself |
| 08:55.15 | ilj | please, let me know whether pinning or holding would be required. and hey thaks for the link! |
| 08:55.32 | ilj | I just couldn't seem to find anything like that in Google :S |
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| 08:56.02 | nvz | you'd need to do something in order to stop the package manager from upgrading it.. pinning is the first thing that comes to mind, but the hold I'm not too sure about how that works |
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| 08:56.36 | rozie | hello. I look for software similar to http://www.ollydbg.de/Paperbak/index.html or http://lwn.net/Articles/242735/ (PaperBack, Optar) - do you know any maintained project, especially packaged in Debian repository for making easy to make, easy to restore, compressed, high density backup on paper? |
| 08:56.39 | blubberdiblub | nvz, i migrated to geeqie and it does seem to have everything i needed |
| 08:56.45 | nvz | I use gqview from lenny because now its a metapackage that pulls in geeqie instead which while its very similar, is not the same |
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| 08:58.45 | blubberdiblub | nvz, hold should work, i think. but you can configure aptitude to break holds when needed for resolving conflicts, tho that's not default |
| 08:58.57 | nvz | rozie: um.. and this is any differend than scanning and archiving files how? |
| 08:59.19 | nvz | blubberdiblub: yes but is hold exclusively an aptitude thing? |
| 08:59.25 | nvz | !hold |
| 08:59.25 | dpkg | hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771. |
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| 09:00.01 | blubberdiblub | nvz, not it's not exclusively aptitude. but breaking holds when configured is an aptitude thing |
| 09:00.23 | nvz | omfg I'm about to throw this machine out the window |
| 09:00.48 | nvz | blubberdiblub: seems like holding is pointless currently then.. cause one hold isn't respected elsewhere and the other is broken by aptitude |
| 09:01.31 | nvz | I personally do not use aptitude so the dpkg method would probably work for me, but now knowing aptitude use would break that hold I'd rather just pin it |
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| 09:01.38 | blubberdiblub | nvz, it's not broken by default. but pinning is the way to go if you can manage pinning and want to hold it as fast as possible, so to say |
| 09:02.15 | nvz | I was gonna set it up last night but couldnt figure out how to just pin a specific version |
| 09:02.21 | blubberdiblub | nvz, it does not break holds by default, and does not break it under normal circumstances |
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| 09:02.39 | nvz | I only knew how to pin by release or source and I manually downloaded and installed the package |
| 09:03.18 | nvz | well if other package managers don't respect an aptitude hold, thats useless to me cause "other package managers" are what I use.. apt-get or synaptic |
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| 09:04.02 | ilj | interesting |
| 09:04.03 | nvz | I guess I had better send the mfg of this machine a f'n message cause this latest bios update DID NOT fix the battery issue like I tought it did |
| 09:04.13 | blubberdiblub | i don't see why apt-get wouldn't respect a hold, although i haven't researched into that |
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| 09:05.46 | nvz | before the bios update it would keep saying 100% discharging, after the bios update it worked fine without buggin me ever 2 min.. but after I unplugged it for a second to go somewhere and plugged it back in, now it says 100% fully charged (showing plugged in) then 99% discharging every 2 min |
| 09:06.01 | nvz | ugh.. I'm about to just take the fuckin battery out so it will just STFU |
| 09:07.13 | blubberdiblub | oh, i see, aptitude doesn't set the hold status through the dpkg database. that's kinda silly |
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| 09:07.30 | nvz | I am a hyper aware individual.. I know my phone rings with it sitting over there on the table if it even so much as lights up.. it need not make a sound.. I can't tolerate a popup for nonsense every couple minutes because it makes me think its something important and distracts my attention |
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| 09:08.50 | blubberdiblub | or you disable the battery status notifications |
| 09:08.57 | nvz | guess I can dig around in gconf and see if I can disable that |
| 09:09.16 | nvz | cause I looked earlier and told it not to show the status indicator and it still showed the notifications anyhow |
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| 09:09.59 | blubberdiblub | maybe it's a different tray applet, that disregards the specific setting you changed |
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| 09:10.08 | rozie | nvz: it adds much higher density (200 kB of data per A4 page), error correction, it's easy for recovery |
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| 09:10.49 | nvz | rozie: sounds like bullshit to me |
| 09:11.14 | nvz | like version 2.0 or whatever.. just marketing hype |
| 09:11.32 | nvz | you don't add densitity and kbs to a f'n scan. it is what it is |
| 09:11.45 | nvz | thats dependant on what is being scanned, and the hardware scanning it |
| 09:13.00 | rozie | nvz: take a look, it's described on the page how it works. it won't go beyond hardware limits |
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| 09:14.03 | nvz | rozie: I did look at the page when you asked your question and considered not responding because my irrational b.s. filter kicked in and figured you were hellbent on wanting something that does something that software doesnt even do in the first place it just says it does |
| 09:14.03 | ilj | nvz, well, none of those packages are working for me :S all 1.42 binaries bail out with backtrace for libc :| |
| 09:14.48 | nvz | ilj: you could setup a chroot of the old distro or try "forward porting" it.. heh |
| 09:15.13 | nvz | thats just funny to me.. never heard anyone forwardport an old version |
| 09:15.25 | ilj | I don't even know what that means! |
| 09:15.37 | nvz | its bullshit, just like what rozie is talking about |
| 09:15.37 | rozie | if you print a file, you have problem with restoration, no error protection... |
| 09:16.13 | nvz | O.o |
| 09:17.05 | rozie | printing encrypted copy of most crucial data (like GPG keys and such a stuff) on sheet of paper, putting some copies in several places seems like a good way to protect from data loss |
| 09:17.30 | rozie | and with such a density one sheet of paper will be enough |
| 09:18.16 | rozie | and it's easy to verify state of the copy - if it's readable or not |
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| 09:19.37 | ilj | rozie, yeah, only paper is so easy to damage |
| 09:19.45 | rozie | anyway, I don't mean to be advocate of this method. just asked if anyone knows such a software in Debian |
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| 09:20.12 | rozie | ilj: it's much more durable than CD/DVD |
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| 09:20.36 | ilj | what makes you think so? |
| 09:20.47 | rozie | my books? |
| 09:20.58 | rozie | even: my father's books? |
| 09:21.09 | ilj | did you ever try to ACTUALLY restore data from paper? |
| 09:21.35 | ilj | did you ever look at any sort of statistics as to have reliable that process is? |
| 09:21.51 | ilj | s/have/how/g |
| 09:21.58 | rozie | there's such a statistic on the page... |
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| 09:22.34 | ilj | how reliable is the statistics coming from the advocate of paper backup method? :) |
| 09:23.01 | nvz | rozie: I'm simply not buying the idea that you can get any better quality that what you would from the scanner and printer used themselves but to answer your question, there is no image tool, scan tool, or printing tool that I can see in debian that does any such reed-solomon error correction. |
| 09:23.12 | tensorpudding | punched paper tape had pretty low density |
| 09:23.19 | tensorpudding | but they're reasonably survivable |
| 09:23.55 | nvz | rozie: I dont see how this software does anything that simply scanning the data into a lossless format and printing it again using any software available would do |
| 09:24.13 | tensorpudding | heh |
| 09:24.25 | tensorpudding | bring back paper tape, so we can back up our gpg keys to it |
| 09:24.28 | mr6111 | put paper in the floppy drive! |
| 09:24.31 | mr6111 | fixed.. |
| 09:25.37 | nvz | I also think the notion of paper backup is just retarded.. the only time thats necessary is when its not data used by a computer i.e. will be needed after all computers in the world fail.. |
| 09:26.04 | nvz | its a waste of time and resources, there are countless ridiculously redundant methods to backup data |
| 09:26.21 | rozie | ilj: it doesn't differ from ordinary text printed on paper. if you put it in a good place, unfolded (bigger book for example), it will stay readable |
| 09:27.02 | blubberdiblub | rozie, why not just use some qr-code encoder plus a qr-code scanner or something similar to that? if you need more data, encode it into several qr codes |
| 09:27.29 | rozie | nvz: this software adds automation and error correction algorithm |
| 09:27.32 | tensorpudding | i wonder if there are any IDE punched paper tape readers |
| 09:27.52 | nvz | what f'n error correction could you possibly need on a damn scanned document? |
| 09:27.54 | rozie | qrcode is good example that such a thing is used |
| 09:28.39 | nvz | if you need that, what you actually need is a better scanner or to stop scanning stuff and just make it digital in the first place |
| 09:29.11 | tensorpudding | it's only worth using as a backup medium if it can be easily read by computers |
| 09:29.12 | rozie | nvz: so you think CD does not have error correction? |
| 09:29.38 | rozie | tensorpudding: it would be easy if there was software for it |
| 09:29.57 | tensorpudding | scanning and doing OCR on text is possible, but not ideal |
| 09:30.30 | rozie | blubberdiblub: I thought about qrcodes, but they have low density |
| 09:30.42 | tensorpudding | and there is the question of error correction |
| 09:31.01 | tensorpudding | qr codes would be good if they were variable-sized |
| 09:31.12 | rozie | they are.. |
| 09:31.15 | tensorpudding | to sizes large enough to hold the data you need |
| 09:31.44 | tensorpudding | also you lose the human readability |
| 09:31.56 | rozie | and printing text, then scanning it has two drawbacks: errors and low denisty |
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| 09:32.20 | blubberdiblub | if you need high density, you probably don't care about human readability ;) |
| 09:32.26 | tensorpudding | or at least, printed text, and to a lesser extent punched tape, are easily read by people |
| 09:32.32 | rozie | you will have always to choose between human readability and high density |
| 09:33.03 | delvalle26 | microfiche |
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| 09:42.09 | fairuz_ | Hey guys, one quick question. Did Debian and Ubuntu use the same kernel? Or each of them take vanilla kernel and and their own patches on top of it. I just want to know if Ubuntu kernel is based on Debian's kernel. |
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| 09:42.55 | dwfreed | fairuz_: the latter; ubuntu tends to use some of the same patches, I think |
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| 09:43.49 | fairuz_ | dwfreed: Ok, so basically Ubuntu just use debian's package management and not the kernel? |
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| 09:44.08 | dwfreed | fairuz_: probably; you should ask them |
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| 09:44.44 | serega_by | hi all. how to install audio driver for microphone ? |
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| 09:44.57 | fairuz_ | dwfreed: Thanks |
| 09:45.19 | joeoshawa | serega_by, usb mic? |
| 09:45.32 | serega_by | no, for jack |
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| 09:46.04 | joeoshawa | you only need the driver for your audio card there is no driver for the mic |
| 09:46.30 | serega_by | I installed alsa driver |
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| 09:46.45 | serega_by | but my mic doesn't work |
| 09:46.58 | joeoshawa | your card may not be configured properly |
| 09:47.14 | serega_by | early all worked good |
| 09:47.23 | joeoshawa | and alsa connects to your audio driver |
| 09:47.48 | serega_by | and what i nned to do ? |
| 09:47.50 | serega_by | need* |
| 09:48.22 | joeoshawa | you need to figure out what sound card you have, install the driver and configure it for your setup |
| 09:48.42 | joeoshawa | that i can't help you with tho i am not great at that myself |
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| 09:49.40 | simonlnu | try upping the volume |
| 09:49.46 | simonlnu | alsamixer |
| 09:50.16 | joeoshawa | and make sure its not muted |
| 09:50.21 | serega_by | in alsa mixer I make it already |
| 09:50.30 | joeoshawa | if you see an mm at the bottom its muted |
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| 09:50.39 | serega_by | i make mutted only mic on out |
| 09:50.46 | simonlnu | !debug alsa |
| 09:50.50 | serega_by | in capture all not mutted |
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| 09:51.19 | serega_by | if i will make mic no mutted in out i will hear myself |
| 09:51.20 | simonlnu | !alsa-checklist |
| 09:51.21 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <arts> or <esound> stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 09:51.29 | simonlnu | 'muted' |
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| 09:51.43 | guardian | hi i'm configuring a debian box for shared hosting. i'll add users, do you recommend i set USERGROUPS=no in adduser.conf so that all users shared the same group "users"??? i don't really see the practical difference |
| 09:51.44 | blubberdiblub | well, if you hear yourself, it's working |
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| 09:52.00 | simonlnu | yup ;) |
| 09:52.34 | joeoshawa | serega_by, there correct your supposed to hear yourself |
| 09:52.37 | simonlnu | "is this thing on?" |
| 09:52.42 | joeoshawa | your muting your mic |
| 09:53.09 | blubberdiblub | serega_by, maybe you need to configure the correct recording source. some drivers expose the recording source as a separate control that you have to set to Mic (and maybe even a number) |
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| 09:53.42 | simonlnu | mine i have to do that, depending on where i inserted the mic jack |
| 09:53.46 | serega_by | how i can make ? |
| 09:54.01 | simonlnu | alsamixer can do that |
| 09:54.32 | blubberdiblub | serega_by, yeah, what simonlnu said. if there is a separate control for the recording source, it should be visible in alsamixer |
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| 09:55.01 | joeoshawa | mine the headphone jack is a input instead by default |
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| 09:56.09 | joeoshawa | the only way i have found to change it is to dowload a program every time i reboot and change it |
| 09:56.19 | blubberdiblub | serega_by, it may also be that the driver exposes several audio sources to the applications. then you have to select the correct source in the recording application |
| 09:56.23 | joeoshawa | pain in the ass |
| 09:57.01 | ilj | what package provides /bin/install ? |
| 09:57.11 | joeoshawa | and jack doesn't work worth a damn |
| 09:57.29 | blubberdiblub | serega_by, try "arecord -l" and observe if it lists several sources |
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| 09:58.21 | serega_by | http://pastebin.com/WyLSiDvL |
| 09:58.40 | serega_by | this is list getting by arecord -l |
| 09:58.56 | blubberdiblub | serega_by, there are 2. then you should try each of them and see if it records a signal |
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| 10:00.09 | simonlnu | !tell ilj -about search |
| 10:00.10 | serega_by | how i can try do it ? |
| 10:00.15 | blubberdiblub | serega_by, you can use arecord, to make test recordings with both sources |
| 10:00.32 | serega_by | please, write me example code |
| 10:00.53 | simonlnu | man arecord |
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| 10:01.44 | blubberdiblub | serega_by, "arecord -D hw:0,0 -f S16_LE -c 2 > test.raw" for the first source. replace hw:0,0 with hw:0,2 for the second source |
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| 10:03.56 | serega_by | arecord -D hw:0,0 -f S16_LE -c 2 > test.raw || arecord: main:654: audio open error: Device or resource busy |
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| 10:04.15 | blubberdiblub | serega_by, maybe even "arecord -D hw:0,0 -f S16_LE -c 2 -r 44100 > test.raw" (because otherwise it tried to record with 8000 Hz and if it gets 44100 instead it will sound like crap) |
| 10:04.34 | blubberdiblub | serega_by, then another program is trying to use the audio source already, it seems |
| 10:05.11 | lxsameer | hi, i do "apt-get build-dep crystalspace", but i get following error |
| 10:05.12 | lxsameer | E: Build-Depends dependency for crystalspace cannot be satisfied because the package libcucul-dev cannot be found |
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| 10:07.24 | babilen | lxsameer: Which Debian branch are you tracking? |
| 10:08.06 | lxsameer | babilen: sid |
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| 10:08.26 | babilen | lxsameer: Ok, lets see |
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| 10:09.21 | babilen | ,versions libcucul-dev |
| 10:09.22 | judd | Package: libcucul-dev on i386 -- lenny: 0.99.beta14-1; squeeze: 0.99.beta17-1 |
| 10:09.39 | lxsameer | babilen: i use amd64 |
| 10:09.42 | babilen | lxsameer: Yeah, that looks like a wrong build-depends. |
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| 10:12.45 | blackshirt | Is there mentoring class here? |
| 10:13.06 | guardian | hi i'm configuring a debian box for shared hosting. i'll add users, do you recommend i set USERGROUPS=no in adduser.conf so that all users shared the same group "users"??? i don't really see the practical difference all users in "users" group or each user has her/his group. considering those users would only have sftp access through scponly |
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| 10:14.32 | babilen | blackshirt: Mentoring in which sense? |
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| 10:15.14 | blubberdiblub | guardian, i'd put each user into their own group. otherwise one user can read stuff the other user has (deliberately or unintentionally) set group readable. same goes for writable |
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| 10:15.55 | guardian | ah right didn't think of that |
| 10:15.57 | blubberdiblub | guardian, i.e. I would use USERGROUPS=yes |
| 10:16.16 | babilen | guardian: usergroups are enabled by default on Debian -- If *you* don't want that you are free to change the settings. I would keep it for mainly the same reasons as those stated by blubberdiblub earlier |
| 10:16.41 | guardian | well i was considering whether it makes sense to change it or not :) |
| 10:17.00 | lxsameer | babilen: what should i do then ? |
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| 10:18.12 | babilen | lxsameer: I don't know crystalspace and its build-time dependencies, but I would guess that you have to change the package to either drop the dependency or use libcaca-dev -- First and foremost you should report a bug against it so the maintainer is aware of the problem. |
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| 10:19.22 | lxsameer | babilen: ok thanks |
| 10:19.51 | babilen | lxsameer: It *might* work if you just replace libcucul-dev with libcaca-dev in debian/control, but I have no idea if that actually makes sense. I'd also take a look at crystalspace's INSTALL document for further details on its requirement (if available) -- Can't you install one of the binary packages? |
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| 10:20.16 | babilen | lxsameer: Do you *have* to recompile it? |
| 10:20.45 | lxsameer | babilen: binary packages are fine |
| 10:21.10 | lxsameer | babilen: but i have to rebuild it for an issue so i decided to use build-dep |
| 10:22.55 | babilen | lxsameer: I am unlikely to help you with crystalspace (given that I just learned about its existence), but what is the issue? build-dep and rebuilding *should* work though. I'd also like to note that #debian-next on irc.oftc.net is a wheezy/sid specific channel you might be interested in. |
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| 10:23.27 | lxsameer | babilen: nice thanks man |
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| 10:25.40 | babilen | lxsameer: Ah -- If you look at http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-games?view=revision&revision=12531 you can see that the build-dependency on libcucul-dev was dropped. I would try building the newest version from SVN which you can easily get with "debcheckout crystalspace" if you have the devscripts package installed. |
| 10:27.08 | babilen | lxsameer: So there is also no need to report this bug. I wonder though where 1.4.0+dfsg-5 is as sid has 1.4.0+dfsg-4 :-/ -- Lets investigate further. |
| 10:27.27 | lxsameer | babilen: nice |
| 10:28.12 | babilen | lxsameer: Hmm, apparently that version was never uploaded. You might want to drop in #debian-games on irc.oftc.net and ask them about it. |
| 10:28.35 | lxsameer | babilen: ok |
| 10:29.27 | chalcedony | a few years ago my right click on a url, produced a menu with choices of browsers, i think that was debian, not sure if it carried over to ubuntu, but i think so, now i don't see a way to do that in debian squeeze? |
| 10:29.36 | babilen | lxsameer: Glad we've figured it out :) |
| 10:29.48 | lxsameer | babilen: ;) |
| 10:29.54 | simonlnu | chalcedony: in a terminal, or...? |
| 10:30.42 | chalcedony | simonlnu, anywhere, terminal, xchat, other urls |
| 10:30.43 | guardian | blubberdiblub, babilen: USERGROUPS=no being the default, no user gets added to the "users" group by default. what's the use of that "users" group now? legacy? |
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| 10:31.27 | simonlnu | worksforme |
| 10:31.44 | chalcedony | simonlnu, i think i was using linx and a couple of others |
| 10:31.48 | chalcedony | lynx |
| 10:31.58 | simonlnu | but only in terms (i don't use xchat if i don't have to) like gnome's xfce's, kde's |
| 10:32.14 | babilen | guardian: Exactly -- /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz has an overview + shot discussion of typical groups found on Debian and their semantics. |
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| 10:32.22 | simonlnu | (u)xterm won't have that. rxvt and such might, don't recall |
| 10:32.24 | babilen | s/shot/short/ |
| 10:32.48 | guardian | babilen: thx for pointing that reference. i was reading adduser.local.conf which says "every user should be member of the 'users' group" |
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| 10:33.17 | simonlnu | babilen: better than the "it snot" typo ;p |
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| 10:41.09 | thewanderer1 | where does GNOME save its view preferences for a given dir? |
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| 10:47.50 | simonlnu | i thought in .directory files |
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| 10:49.00 | samba35 | how to find all files by some installed package |
| 10:49.46 | samba35 | say i want to know where all files are installed by apache2 package |
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| 10:50.42 | saned | samba35: dpkg-query -L package |
| 10:50.48 | babilen | samba35: "dpkg -L PKG" |
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| 10:51.02 | samba35 | ok |
| 10:51.07 | samba35 | thanks |
| 10:51.22 | babilen | saned: A lot of dpkg-* options/commands work directly with dpkg. |
| 10:51.34 | maxxe | created a program equal to dpkg-reconfigure -a, since it doesn't work atm. http://paste.debian.net/151298/ :) |
| 10:51.48 | saned | babilen: k, thanks |
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| 10:52.08 | babilen | saned: no problem -- Might save you some typing in the future :) |
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| 10:55.38 | thewanderer1 | simonlnu, yeah, I remember the same, but it apparently doesn't create any... |
| 10:55.54 | simonlnu | check ~/.gconf ? |
| 10:56.50 | thewanderer1 | it's this "registry" thing, eh? not sure if I can manage to make sense of it |
| 10:57.41 | simonlnu | it's xml. probably easier to deal with in gconf-editor |
| 10:58.14 | thewanderer1 | I've grepped through it all, there's no entry for my dir |
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| 10:58.33 | simonlnu | might be encoded as md5 or some other hash |
| 10:58.58 | simonlnu | or by uuid. i've seen such odd creatures in there |
| 11:00.22 | thewanderer1 | argh... |
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| 11:01.58 | simonlnu | yup, quite "argh" inducing.... |
| 11:04.26 | thewanderer1 | holy tux... gvfs-info and some database |
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| 11:05.05 | simonlnu | wth |
| 11:05.21 | thewanderer1 | GVFS was invented to bring me pain :( |
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| 11:06.10 | TACPILOT | have a minimal install via debootstrap and not have any network devices .. lsmod show the correct modules .. how to create ethX ? |
| 11:06.15 | simonlnu | not just you ;p |
| 11:06.45 | simonlnu | TACPILOT: cp it from the host system? |
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| 11:07.59 | TACPILOT | should it not be hardware specific and created locally ? |
| 11:08.12 | simonlnu | no, it is not. |
| 11:08.14 | thewanderer1 | TACPILOT, how do you know you have no devices? does `ip link show` display none? |
| 11:08.21 | simonlnu | not that configuration |
| 11:08.44 | TACPILOT | ifconfig is empty and there are no /dev/ethX |
| 11:08.53 | simonlnu | there wouldn't be |
| 11:09.10 | simonlnu | (of the latter; this isn't bsd ;p) |
| 11:09.22 | thewanderer1 | TACPILOT, please see what `ifconfig -a` and `ip link show` says. ifconfig by default only shows *configured* ifaces. |
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| 11:10.41 | TACPILOT | aaahhh new to ip link .. that does show devices |
| 11:11.16 | TACPILOT | ifconfig -a does as well |
| 11:11.19 | TACPILOT | ty |
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| 11:11.54 | no`x | btw "man ip" also is fun :) |
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| 11:12.37 | TACPILOT | now added to the toolbox |
| 11:12.40 | TACPILOT | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:13.38 | simonlnu | plop |
| 11:13.45 | simonlnu | !customer |
| 11:13.46 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 11:14.22 | TACPILOT | funny thing there is not eth0 ... only 2 - 4 |
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| 11:14.34 | TACPILOT | and of course lo |
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| 11:15.26 | no`x | dmesg might tell ya why kernel decided so :) |
| 11:15.50 | babilen | !tell TACPILOT about 70 |
| 11:16.07 | TACPILOT | 70 ? |
| 11:16.22 | babilen | TACPILOT: You should have received a private message from out bot (dpkg) |
| 11:16.24 | babilen | !70 |
| 11:16.25 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Squeeze, Lenny) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 11:16.32 | babilen | TACPILOT: That one ^^^^ |
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| 11:17.00 | TACPILOT | ahh I see the new window now tnx |
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| 11:19.21 | LeLutin | argh, I've created a usb key by following the "easy method" (e.g. zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb; mount /dev/sdb /mnt; cp debian-6.0.3-netinst.iso /mnt; umount) and I get an error at bootloader time.. but the usb key on another computer starts ok |
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| 11:20.25 | LeLutin | I've found different people having the same error message on google and one of them talks about it being caused by hardware failure.. how can I verify if this is true or not? |
| 11:21.11 | TACPILOT | weird .. dmesg said .. eth1 renamed to eth2 .. eth0 renamed to eth3 ..eth0 renamed to eth4 ...? |
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| 11:21.39 | TACPILOT | all renamed by udev |
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| 11:29.37 | valdyn | !z25 |
| 11:29.37 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Squeeze, Lenny) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 11:29.48 | valdyn | TACPILOT: ^^ |
| 11:31.32 | TACPILOT | that is neat |
| 11:32.34 | TACPILOT | I have run ethx up and run service networking restart nics are set to dhcp yet no joy .. ? |
| 11:33.56 | TACPILOT | ifconfig show 2 nics yet they remain unconfigured . doesnt dhcpclient get address and work to configure route ? |
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| 11:35.46 | thewanderer1 | how does one set up a GRUB2 password on Squeeze? |
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| 11:37.10 | thewanderer1 | I'm trying to use the Debian Wiki but it points to the dead grub.enbug.org :/ |
| 11:37.49 | simonlnu | info grub? |
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| 11:38.21 | simonlnu | i remember seeing the word 'password' in there |
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| 11:40.20 | guardian | does someone has a strong opinion on whether i should use scponly vs rssh? |
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| 11:41.42 | winstonw | hi, quick question, what license are manpages written for the Debian project licensed under? I'm looking to add the manpage from debian' drawterm package to the freebsd port I am writing. |
| 11:41.45 | Chance | Hello, i am trying to share internet that comes to my server via ppp0 to the network via eth0 i have created some iptables rules, but for some reason when i try to ping an online server or navigate to some pages from a network pc it works but on some pages it doesnt load them at all. Any help would be welcome my iptables rules can be found here http://pastebin.com/x02wB0hj When i had the internet |
| 11:41.46 | Chance | comming on a NIC card before and not via ppoe it worked but since this changed keep having issues |
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| 11:45.52 | TACPILOT | interesting .. I now see why the devices got renumbered.. /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules .. had entries made by the host system. then when booted it genetated 3 more for the new nics |
| 11:46.14 | thewanderer1 | wait, how am I supposed to input an encrypted password into the GRUB config? I don't want to put plain text in there. |
| 11:47.02 | Chance | Can anyone help out please ? |
| 11:47.34 | thewanderer1 | aha ok, found it |
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| 11:50.18 | ompaul | Chance: have you asked your question, with enough information for people in the channel would know if they were expert in the area or not? if not ... asking to ask gets no reply |
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| 11:51.51 | Chance | ok |
| 11:52.13 | winstonw | Somebody has to know what license manpages are written for the Debian project! :) |
| 11:52.59 | thewanderer1 | Chance, the rules are mostly fine, check MTU settings |
| 11:54.29 | ompaul | winstonw: man pages are part of a program, not exclusive to debian, so whatever program you are looking at ... etc etc etc |
| 11:56.03 | Chance | thewanderer1 it is set to: mtu 1492 |
| 11:56.13 | thewanderer1 | Chance, "it" = what? |
| 11:56.41 | thewanderer1 | winstonw, if the license was non-free, it wouldn't be in Debian main repository, so you can assume it is GPL-compliant |
| 11:57.25 | Chance | thewanderer1 yea set it along with when i did the pppoeconf and thats the number that is in the peer config file for the ppp0 |
| 11:57.49 | thewanderer1 | Chance, and what is the MTU on your lan iface? |
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| 11:59.53 | Chance | thewanderer1 15.0.0.110 dev eth0 src 15.0.0.1 -> cache ipid 0xb0ed mtu 1500 advmss 1460 hoplimit 64 |
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| 12:00.48 | Chance | thewanderer1 the *.1 is the gw the server that has the ppp0 on it also and the *.110 is the machine i am trying to test internet from |
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| 12:01.27 | thewanderer1 | I'm wondering about this advmss... where'd you get that output from? |
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| 12:02.49 | Chance | thewanderer1 there are two ways i know to get the mtw one is from ifconfig and that one gives me MTU:1500 for eth0 and MTU:1492 for ppp0 and other one is "ip route get 15.0.0.110" |
| 12:02.58 | winstonw | ompaul, thewanderer1: for instance, drawterm's manpage was written by some folk for the debian project (the packagers), I've seen quite a few manpages with that in the HISTORY section |
| 12:03.14 | r00trunner | how can i load my own module at boottime? i think i have to edit /etc/modules, but i don't exactly know how |
| 12:04.07 | thewanderer1 | Chance, well, I was suspecting MTU problems, but it looks alright |
| 12:04.25 | Chance | yes that wat my first thaught also |
| 12:05.05 | Chance | read something that of the mtu is higher than 1492 for ppp for some isps can cause a lot of issue |
| 12:05.09 | Chance | but this is not the case |
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| 12:05.39 | thewanderer1 | so you're only losing some packets, or all? |
| 12:05.42 | TACPILOT | r00trunner: as root open that file in a text editor and enter the name of the module to load. only one module per line then save it and reboot |
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| 12:06.29 | Chance | thewanderer1 it does not seem to be loosing packets cause while i am trying to access the web i am also performing pings at the respective site that is not working anf doesnt show loosing anything |
| 12:07.03 | ompaul | winstonw: and what licence is attached to drawterm? |
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| 12:07.23 | thewanderer1 | Chance, try a bigger ping size |
| 12:07.49 | Chance | thewanderer1 also another wierd part is that after a reboot everything comes back to normal and works but this might be causing again after a while |
| 12:08.07 | Chance | thewanderer1 i was connected all this time from an external network to the server machine |
| 12:08.13 | Chance | so no packets lossing |
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| 12:08.46 | tosmo | i'm trying to add a new service. i did a init.d script with boot dependency header and tried to run unpate-rc.d -n ... . the warning i get indicate that it wants to use other runlevels than i indicated. can someone have a look? http://pastebin.com/uVuNNtKN |
| 12:09.54 | ompaul | winstonw: is this what you want? /usr/share/doc/drawterm/copyright |
| 12:10.00 | TACPILOT | since it looks like every thing is installed to setup my nic's including dhcpclient .. however there must be a package I am missing to automate network config at boot time and auto config when a cable is plugged in .. what would those packages be ??? |
| 12:10.28 | ompaul | winstonw: after all I can't get something with a BSD licence and call it GPL that just isn't on so I must follow upstream |
| 12:10.48 | boudiccas | TACPILOT; what desktop environment are you using? |
| 12:11.00 | ompaul | testing - brb |
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| 12:11.20 | winstonw | lol ompaul |
| 12:11.21 | TACPILOT | no desktop .. this is barely more than stock debootstrap |
| 12:11.30 | winstonw | i shoudl have never asked here :) |
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| 12:12.22 | TACPILOT | debootstrapped a squeeze |
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| 12:14.06 | r00trunner | TACPILOT: hm i think i did so... asuming my module is test.ko what would i have to edit?? ~/test.ko?? without the path?? |
| 12:14.43 | thewanderer1 | r00trunner, all modules in /etc/modules are loaded via modprobe. you won't be able to insmod random modules, they have to be loadable by modprobe. |
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| 12:16.30 | nvz | tosmo: so what's the problem? |
| 12:16.32 | TACPILOT | r00trunner: can you run modprobe <module name> and have it show up correctly in lsmod ?? |
| 12:16.54 | nvz | tosmo: it did what you told it to, its just warning you that what you told it to do is not standard |
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| 12:18.00 | r00trunner | ah ok i see, is there (a) away to load random modules (insmod) at boottime or (b) convert my random module (.ko) into a regular? |
| 12:18.14 | r00trunner | so i could load it via modprobe? |
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| 12:18.51 | thewanderer1 | r00trunner, put it in the right place in /lib/modules/$(uname -r) and depmod -a |
| 12:19.32 | r00trunner | ah ok |
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| 12:20.29 | tosmo | nvz: what i don't get is, what it prints as being standard is exactly what i put in the INIT INFO header. why does it complain that some other runlevels, that i din't provide, are non-standard, an which ones is it going to use? |
| 12:21.02 | olof_szary | hello, i have problem with X. I have i7 and NV 4200M, the problem is that if xorg.conf exists, the X does not start. and I would like to force the nvidia to be default card |
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| 12:21.30 | tosmo | nvz: on the other hand, if the "defaults" argument of update-rc.d doesn't read the INIT INFO header, why do i provide it at all? |
| 12:21.32 | r00trunner | thewanderer1: where exactly in /lib/moduls should i put it? |
| 12:21.45 | nvz | tosmo: no what it says is that LSB standard is to start on 2 3 4 5 and stop on 0 1 6 then it does what you told it to |
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| 12:22.06 | nvz | tosmo: it read your damn defaults and did exactly what you said there.. are you not paying attention? |
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| 12:22.44 | nvz | tosmo: what do lines 22-26 say in that paste? |
| 12:23.29 | nvz | tosmo: because it looks to me like it says start on 3 and kill on 0 1 2 6 like you specified which is NOT start on 2 3 4 5 and stop on 0 1 6 which is what the _WARNING_ is telling you |
| 12:24.10 | nvz | warnings are not errors, it did exactly what you wanted, it only warned that its not standard |
| 12:24.46 | tosmo | nvz: well it says "start runlevel arguments ([LSB standard]) do not match LSB Default-Start values ([my runlevel choise]) -- in my eyes this is mixed up |
| 12:25.25 | nvz | tosmo: your problem is paying attention to warnings in the first place.. look at what actually happened, which is lines 22-26 |
| 12:26.43 | nvz | tosmo: in debian stop runlevels are 0 (halt), 1 (single), and 6 (reboot) and all multi-user runlevels 2 3 4 5 are the same.. thats all the warnings are telling you, that you asked it to do something thats not standard so what you made there, is not compliant and will not be accepted into debian main.. but since you're a sysadmin and this is for personal use.. nobody cares |
| 12:26.51 | nvz | except apparently you, which you shouldn't |
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| 12:31.06 | tosmo | nvz: thanks for your polite DRTFM |
| 12:32.31 | binbash_ | Hi guys, anybody using Xmonad & xmobar? |
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| 12:32.49 | nvz | tosmo: hah.. as a general rule don't assume a warning is a problem. Debian/LSB defaults are left that way for a sysadmin to configure as needed. You are the sysadmin and you are setting things up the way you want.. thats what you're suppose to do, and what happened there is exactly what should have happened |
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| 12:33.19 | binbash_ | i was wondering what "tall" means in the xmobar :P |
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| 12:42.15 | binbash_ | Hmm so i finaly finished my Desktop with Debian 6, Xmobar & Xmonad. |
| 12:42.17 | TACPILOT | not sure why I cant get the network to come up ?? interfaces are set to dhcp .. ifconfig eth0 up ... all that seems to happen is the device becomes visable with ifconfig ?? |
| 12:42.21 | binbash_ | Time to upgrade to unstable :P? |
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| 12:43.06 | tosmo | TACPILOT: if its configured you should use ifup eth0, if its not configured use dhclient eth0 |
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| 12:43.55 | tosmo | TACPILOT: ifconfig eth0 up will just exactly put eth0 up ("make it visible") but not configure it further |
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| 12:44.46 | binbash_ | or just restart your network interfaces. |
| 12:44.58 | binbash_ | But maybe that's overkill ^^ |
| 12:45.42 | brixtonasias | Any ideas why Brasero won't burn Audio CDs? http://paste.debian.net/151309/ (partly German) |
| 12:47.17 | TACPILOT | tosmo: .. no ifup installed on this box .. dhclient eth0 did the trick TYTY |
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| 12:47.46 | TACPILOT | now how to automate it at boot time ?? |
| 12:48.20 | rozie | TACPILOT: man interfaces |
| 12:48.22 | tosmo | TACPILOT: add "auto eth0" line above your eth0 configuration stanza in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:48.48 | TACPILOT | it was already there but didnt make a diff |
| 12:49.16 | TACPILOT | hadnt had net till running the dhclient eth0 |
| 12:50.22 | tosmo | well the auto line alone won't do it, you also need the eth0 inet dhcp line (not sure if this is complete, just read man interfaces) |
| 12:50.52 | binbash_ | first -> allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 12:51.07 | binbash_ | then -> iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 12:51.15 | binbash_ | 2 lines, that's enough. |
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| 12:51.57 | TACPILOT | both lines were already added prior yet still no net till I issued the dhclient ehtx commands |
| 12:52.25 | binbash_ | Yeah, |
| 12:52.46 | binbash_ | when you add them you have to restart your network interfaces |
| 12:52.55 | binbash_ | or do a dhclient eth0 |
| 12:53.12 | binbash_ | but after a reboot, it will work when the lines are there & the DHCP server is reachable. |
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| 12:53.39 | TACPILOT | rebooting had no effect .. only thing seem to work was the dhclient eth0 |
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| 12:53.55 | binbash_ | Then the lines must be incorrect |
| 12:53.56 | binbash_ | :) |
| 12:53.59 | binbash_ | works here perfectly |
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| 12:54.29 | binbash_ | Btw, is forums.debian.net the "offical" forum? |
| 12:54.51 | TACPILOT | I am guessing is because this is such a stripped down system .. only about a dozen packages installed over the stock debootstrap |
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| 12:57.11 | TACPILOT | perhaps I am missing a package that handles all that at boot time .. any suggestions to what that may be ? |
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| 13:14.58 | yazdmich | Is there anything that would cause debian to lose track of a PS/2 keyboard and then its ok after a reboot? |
| 13:16.32 | tosmo | TACPILOT: network interfaces afaik counts to the very basic capabilities. i suggest you got your /etc/network/interfaces incorrect. for testing purposes, you can just do /etc/init.d/networking restart to see what would happen with your network device at bootup |
| 13:17.57 | mah454 | Have debian "makewhatis" command ? |
| 13:18.02 | TACPILOT | I found it .. it was infact the absence of t ifupdown |
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| 13:18.56 | TACPILOT | since all configs were right and not working at boot I looked at the /etc/init.d/networking script |
| 13:19.15 | TACPILOT | that script made calls to ifup and ifdown |
| 13:19.28 | mah454 | good robot ! dpkg |
| 13:19.35 | masterkorp | hello, for some reasion nginx is not being upgraded ( http://pastie.org/3143084), how can i see why not is beeing upgarded ? |
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| 13:20.09 | TACPILOT | added it to the capsule and reprovisioned the node and voila .. network up at boot time |
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| 13:20.22 | TACPILOT | TY all for your help |
| 13:21.03 | TACPILOT | couldn't have done it with out y'al :) |
| 13:21.19 | TACPILOT | Have a wonderful day.. |
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| 13:23.39 | masterkorp | any idea ? |
| 13:24.32 | pikudoz | about what? |
| 13:24.32 | ksx4system | how do I re-create OpenSSH keys? I need to image few exactly identical boxes but I can't take security risk of using the same keys everywhere |
| 13:24.49 | epsilon | masterkorp: did you lock nginx from getting upgraded? |
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| 13:29.44 | epsilon | masterkorp: apt-cache policy nginx, dpkg --get-selections 'nginx' |
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| 13:31.57 | rudi_s | ksx4system: ssh-keygen -N '' -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key -t rsa1 and then the same for ssh_host_rsa_key -t rsa, ssh_host_dsa_key -t dsa and ssh_host_ecdsa_key -t ecdsa. |
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| 13:32.27 | rudi_s | For more information have a look at openssh-server.postinst in the source package or postinst in the .deb of openssh-server. |
| 13:32.29 | ksx4system | rudi_s: thanks. |
| 13:32.34 | rudi_s | np |
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| 13:33.05 | ksx4system | loves debootstrap |
| 13:34.03 | masterkorp | epsilon: no, i did a dist-upgrade |
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| 13:36.43 | r00trunner | does someone know how i would have to change a makefile wich build modules, that the .ko file is directly in /lib/modules/$(uname -r) ? |
| 13:37.02 | OsteHovel | Test |
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| 13:40.36 | OsteHovel | Im trying to setup a Diskless boot with using root on NFS and booting via PXE, my setup is using pxelinux that chainloads ipxe and then it downloads kernel and initrd from http, but the problem is if i specify to download both kernel and initrd in the ipxe file the pc reboots without any messages, and if i remove initrd from the list the kernel boots with "no filesystem coud be mounted as root" or simlar, anyone have a clue? |
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| 13:41.22 | OsteHovel | (it reboots when it runs the boot, it downloads sucessfull, becouse i can use shell in ipxe and check if its downloaded before i write boot) |
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| 13:55.48 | tawtaw | hi, i have a wacom pen f for some reason its not working properly. i can move the cursor around, and i can click, but i cannot draw. (so no click+drag) everything else works fine. touchscreen works. any ideas? |
| 13:57.57 | thewanderer1 | tawtaw, what exact Wacom model? |
| 13:59.08 | tawtaw | thewanderer1: not sure how to check that... |
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| 13:59.43 | tawtaw | thewanderer1: i have a x61 tablet, so its the one which ships with that |
| 13:59.53 | thewanderer1 | ah, X61. I've never had any problems with that... |
| 14:00.03 | thewanderer1 | does dragging windows around work? |
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| 14:00.16 | tawtaw | thewanderer1: no |
| 14:00.31 | thewanderer1 | and you've got the model with the touch screen? |
| 14:00.33 | tawtaw | thewanderer1: it works on every other OS. i even tried another pen to be sure my pen was not broken |
| 14:00.37 | tawtaw | thewanderer1: yeah :) |
| 14:00.43 | tawtaw | touchscreen works fine |
| 14:00.44 | thewanderer1 | 1024x768? |
| 14:00.46 | tawtaw | yepp |
| 14:01.01 | thewanderer1 | hmm, what's "every other os"? :P |
| 14:01.13 | tawtaw | thewanderer1: well i meant distro :P |
| 14:01.16 | thewanderer1 | ok |
| 14:01.56 | thewanderer1 | look into xinput and see the device properties - it might have something called "gestures" enabled or disabled, not sure which way |
| 14:01.59 | tawtaw | thewanderer1: its hard to google after this problem, i checked every option i could find in xsetwacom nothing seems to effect my problem so i thought i would ask |
| 14:02.04 | tawtaw | i have them enabled |
| 14:02.13 | thewanderer1 | try disabling O.o |
| 14:02.21 | Night_Elf | Hello all. A question regarding 'blockdev'. If I change parameters with it to a disk device which is also mounted as "/" and under use (blockdev --setra 8192 /dev/sda), is that ok to be done? Is there anything that I need to be careful about? |
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| 14:03.18 | tawtaw | thewanderer1: no banana |
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| 14:04.01 | thewanderer1 | you're on Squeeze, right? |
| 14:04.07 | tawtaw | thewanderer1: yes |
| 14:04.14 | thewanderer1 | tried another desktop environment? |
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| 14:04.19 | tawtaw | thewanderer1: yes |
| 14:05.29 | thewanderer1 | does xev show anything interesting when you drag? |
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| 14:07.48 | tawtaw | thewanderer1: it shows the button get cliked and then it gets unclicked and my mouse continues to move |
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| 14:09.03 | r00trunner | is it possible to start a Makefile outside the directory it belongs to? |
| 14:09.11 | thewanderer1 | tawtaw, which device is causing the input? the Stylus? |
| 14:09.16 | thewanderer1 | (according to xev, that is) |
| 14:09.21 | tawtaw | thewanderer1: yes |
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| 14:09.39 | tawtaw | the stylus, the touchscreen stops working when the pen comes close :) |
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| 14:10.31 | thewanderer1 | must be some strange option, then |
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| 14:10.48 | thewanderer1 | probably something settable in xsetwacom or xinput |
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| 14:13.02 | tawtaw | thewanderer1: o_O weird cos i have not changed anything :) |
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| 14:14.11 | thewanderer1 | tawtaw, yeah, although Debian defaults on x settings are known to be funky, for example no tap-to-click by default |
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| 14:14.23 | thewanderer1 | (nor scroll by default with certain setups) |
| 14:14.35 | tawtaw | thewanderer1: hmm interesting |
| 14:14.40 | thewanderer1 | there's probably some setting called EnableDrag or so that's disabled :) |
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| 14:15.13 | thewanderer1 | I can't check with my X61, sadly its display died |
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| 14:16.18 | tawtaw | thewanderer1: my erasor is able to drag erase |
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| 14:16.42 | tawtaw | only the tip is not able to |
| 14:16.52 | thewanderer1 | tawtaw, get its settings, compare to those of the stylus |
| 14:17.09 | thewanderer1 | there's some `xinput list-props` command I think |
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| 14:21.53 | tawtaw | thewanderer1: Wacom Hover Click (286):1 maybe this |
| 14:22.01 | thewanderer1 | try it |
| 14:22.13 | thewanderer1 | as I said, no hardware at hand to test it currently |
| 14:22.23 | tawtaw | xsetwacom set "Serial Wacom Tablet stylus" "Hover Click" this does not work |
| 14:22.34 | tawtaw | Hover Click does not seem to be a parameter for xsetwacom |
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| 14:24.21 | tawtaw | thewanderer1: nope was not that :/ |
| 14:24.44 | thewanderer1 | err, use numeric values |
| 14:24.50 | tawtaw | i did |
| 14:24.59 | tawtaw | xinput set-prop "Serial Wacom Tablet stylus" "Wacom Hover Click" 1 |
| 14:25.00 | thewanderer1 | try everything else, then :P |
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| 14:25.14 | tawtaw | there are no other differences in the configs |
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| 14:25.39 | casualuser | hello everybody =] |
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| 14:26.35 | thewanderer1 | I've honestly run out of ideas now, you'll have to tinker some more |
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| 14:27.06 | casualuser | can someone suggest me how to fix partly updated squeezy -> wheezy? |
| 14:27.36 | casualuser | updated sources and performed update via update-manager |
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| 14:27.45 | casualuser | used safe update |
| 14:28.03 | casualuser | then tried to perform full update and now it looks like this |
| 14:28.43 | casualuser | b0x:/home/proto# sudo aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 14:28.43 | casualuser | Resolving dependencies... |
| 14:28.43 | casualuser | open: 279804; closed: 304750; defer: 433; conflict: 2034 .terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc' |
| 14:28.43 | casualuser | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:28.43 | casualuser | open: 279804; closed: 304750; defer: 433; conflict: 2034 oAborted |
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| 14:30.16 | casualuser | ohh, that copy-pastes ... |
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| 14:31.23 | casualuser | here is output from aptitude - http://paste.debian.net/151312/ |
| 14:31.34 | casualuser | any suggestions, please? |
| 14:32.01 | thewanderer1 | use apt-get? |
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| 14:33.05 | casualuser | thewanderer1, thanks for tip, will try to check it now with apt-get |
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| 14:37.30 | casualuser | the main issue is - apt-get dist-upgrade offering to remove a lot of packages |
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| 14:38.12 | evolution2012 | hello can someone explain me the difference between the livecds gnome, standard and rescue?? |
| 14:38.17 | casualuser | like eclipse, gcc, open-office |
| 14:38.30 | casualuser | how to deal with this? |
| 14:38.36 | jordanm | casualuser: aptitude is no longer suitable for upgrades to a new release |
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| 14:39.22 | jordanm | casualuser: paste the output of apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 14:39.40 | evolution2012 | no one? |
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| 14:40.07 | jordanm | evolution2012: livecds are not very popular. try #debian-live on oftc |
| 14:40.18 | evolution2012 | oftc? |
| 14:40.25 | jordanm | !debian-live |
| 14:40.25 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
| 14:40.38 | evolution2012 | #debian-live |
| 14:40.46 | casualuser | jordanm, here it is - http://paste.debian.net/151316/ |
| 14:42.20 | jordanm | casualuser: that's not very many packages and many of them are obsolete. I would just let it remove them and install them back when the upgrade is done |
| 14:42.31 | jordanm | (install what you need back) |
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| 14:42.51 | evolution2012 | antoher question, i have windows 7 installed (i have one hdd and one partition) , and now i want install debian parallel, does it funcion? |
| 14:43.52 | jordanm | evolution2012: if you are able to resize the windows partition to make room for a debian one |
| 14:44.01 | jordanm | evolution2012: I don't recommend installing from the livecd |
| 14:44.16 | evolution2012 | is it possible to do that during the debian installaion? |
| 14:44.22 | EvilToaster | If i use this iptable rules -A FORWARD -m physdev --physdev-in vif7.0 -j ACCEPT,-A FORWARD -m physdev --physdev-out vif7.0 -j ACCEPT. How do i block access to ex 192.168.1.2 for vif7.0(Xen VM)? vif7.0 have ip 192.168.1.17 |
| 14:44.24 | casualuser | jordanm, generally wondering about removing such packages like eclipse, fbreader, virtualbox and radeonhd. anyway it seems it's the only way to finish upgrade. thx for support, will try to update system now ) |
| 14:44.54 | evolution2012 | jordan: no i dont want do that with the live cd |
| 14:45.11 | jordanm | casualuser: that virtualbox package isn't part of debian, so no idea |
| 14:45.53 | jordanm | evolution2012: gparted can resize and shrink NTFS, but make sure you have backups just in case |
| 14:47.10 | casualuser | jordanm, virtualbox installed from oracle apt repo and in most cases it's ok to reinstall it. So... will paste here some msgs after update then ) thx a lot, c u ) |
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| 15:09.37 | elseif | hi |
| 15:09.44 | elseif | anyone use zsh ? |
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| 15:15.58 | ksx4system | afrer boot I see "grub rescue>" prompt. how do I fix it? |
| 15:16.26 | ksx4system | there's no CD drive and I can't probably mount liveusb |
| 15:19.33 | rozie | ksx4system: you can run installer, it has option for fixing grub |
| 15:19.54 | rozie | check out USB boot first |
| 15:20.08 | rozie | if it doesn't work, you need to boot from network |
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| 15:32.37 | TechDesk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZKx_-n54KU |
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| 15:58.42 | judgen | is the trinity desktop enviroment available in debian ppc |
| 15:58.44 | judgen | ? |
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| 15:59.28 | nsadmin | new would be jealous if it were |
| 15:59.34 | nsadmin | err neo |
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| 16:00.35 | nsadmin | , versions trinity |
| 16:00.36 | judd | No package named 'trinity' was found in i386. |
| 16:00.52 | nsadmin | took a shot in the dark |
| 16:01.40 | nsadmin | apt-cache search trinity returned nothing |
| 16:02.49 | nsadmin | judgen, btw this is the first time I've heard of a trinity de |
| 16:03.28 | nsadmin | doesn't mean much... but offered as a data pt |
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| 16:05.50 | judgen | it is the fork of kde3 |
| 16:06.09 | judgen | lots of improvements |
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| 16:16.03 | evolution2012 | the guys in debian-live are all idle so i have to ask here |
| 16:16.26 | evolution2012 | is here anyone who had some experience with the live cds of debian??? |
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| 16:18.13 | evolution2012 | i just try the standard and the rescue - but i could only use them in terminal mode? there was no desktop. or was that my mistake?! |
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| 16:29.47 | nvz | evolution2012: that depends on which debian live you downloaded |
| 16:30.14 | nvz | evolution2012: the standard and rescue are console only as it says on the website.. |
| 16:30.30 | nvz | evolution2012: you'd have to get one of the 4 desktop flavors to have a desktop |
| 16:31.24 | handygandy | My system got corrupted. In order to figure out where it got corrupted, I modified my initscripts to get some extra logging. now I do "apt-get install --reinstall initscript" to replace my scripts, but the old ones are still there. Why? |
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| 16:34.00 | nvz | evolution2012: standard 650-700mb cds would not hold any of the desktop ISOs you'd need a hard to find larger CD or a DVD or USB key to use them |
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| 16:37.49 | nvz | handygandy: -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confnew" |
| 16:38.20 | nvz | handygandy: its against debian policy for packages to touch configs without asking |
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| 16:38.56 | nvz | handygandy: normally you'd --purge remove first, but in this case that would uninstall pretty much all your system, so you have to --force-confnew with dpkg |
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| 16:41.39 | project2501a | god! will punish you! |
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| 16:42.44 | nvz | god has already punished me, he didn't give me boobs.. do you have any idea how much easier life would be to be a genius and have boobs? |
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| 16:44.03 | nvz | that must've been a hell of a line to walk in on.. |
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| 16:47.15 | ghostlines | y'all seeing any significant performance boost with SSD's for server use? |
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| 16:48.04 | ghostlines | Linux is already so fast and I doubt a boost will be seen unless you run a large site that needs to query an SQL database alot |
| 16:48.25 | abrotman | nvz: so you're 0/2 ? |
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| 16:48.47 | nvz | abrotman: heh, yep.. pretty much |
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| 16:49.57 | nvz | ghostlines: It'd cost a fortune.. RAID alone can boost I/O on disk reads as can having a lot of ram |
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| 16:51.13 | nvz | ghostlines: my philosophy has always been to use RAID and the cheapest whitelable drives available cause failure is inevitable might as well make it cheap. Either way thats a question for ##hardware |
| 16:51.51 | ghostlines | nvz, ok makes sense thanks for the feedback! |
| 16:52.32 | nvz | wasn't anything else to comment on currently, and I'm currently procrastinating against coding |
| 16:52.51 | ghostlines | lol |
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| 16:54.27 | un214 | is it possible to set it so that it can hibernate from the switch user screen? |
| 16:56.18 | nvz | un214: the lock screen or the gdm screen? either way its pretty much the same, I'm just curious |
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| 16:56.38 | un214 | lock/switch user screen |
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| 16:57.18 | nvz | un214: do you have some kind of function key you could use for the purpose? |
| 16:57.33 | nvz | un214: is it a laptop? cause you can set it up to do that when you close the lid |
| 16:57.38 | un214 | it's a desktop |
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| 17:02.53 | nvz | un214: you could set it up so that the power button is a suspend button if you wanted I am sure |
| 17:03.07 | un214 | hmmm |
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| 17:03.35 | nvz | un214: X registeres the power button as a core input device these days and catches it |
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| 17:06.50 | un214 | how do I do that |
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| 17:08.21 | un214 | I find a lot of instructions referring to files in /etc/acpi, but /etc/acpi doesn't exist |
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| 17:09.43 | abrotman | most laptops do that already |
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| 17:10.11 | un214 | this is not a laptop abrotman |
| 17:10.42 | forgotten | anything in /usr/doc/acpi... |
| 17:11.03 | forgotten | or /usr/share/doc ? |
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| 17:11.10 | abrotman | un214: still .. try it .. if your ACPI is setup correctly, it'll do it |
| 17:11.22 | un214 | no such directory |
| 17:11.37 | un214 | right now it does a soft powerdown |
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| 17:12.52 | sKeiths | i have debian with gnome-desktop-env what is easiest way to share documents over network so a windows client has access to the files. |
| 17:13.02 | forgotten | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.07 | un214 | sKeiths: samba |
| 17:13.44 | un214 | forgotten: no match /usr/share/doc/ee* |
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| 17:14.21 | forgotten | sudo apt-get install eeepc-acpi-scripts |
| 17:14.52 | forgotten | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Configure |
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| 17:15.16 | un214 | there we go, looks like acpi was completely not installed |
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| 17:15.22 | forgotten | :) |
| 17:15.29 | un214 | hibernate worked just fine from the menu ... |
| 17:16.07 | sKeiths | un214, samba installed, so i just use my user credentials from the windows machine and i have access to my home directory. |
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| 17:16.47 | un214 | assuming you set it up, yes |
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| 17:17.43 | sKeiths | i just did apt-get install samba. then i did testparm and it showed home directories as a service |
| 17:18.03 | un214 | so I edit powerbtn-acpi-support.sh? |
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| 17:18.23 | sKeiths | okay, i just go try it, thanks un214 |
| 17:18.24 | un214 | sKeiths: in which case you're ready to try it |
| 17:18.37 | un214 | you may have to run smbpassword username first |
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| 17:26.03 | technologov | hi all |
| 17:26.22 | technologov | my debian is dog-slow; some rogue process sucks all disk I/O. |
| 17:26.28 | technologov | how to locate it ? |
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| 17:30.39 | project2501a | just a few bad processes |
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| 17:31.29 | TechDesk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ4kOfTMXTg |
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| 17:32.44 | abrotman | TechDesk: how is that related to Debian ? |
| 17:33.48 | TechDesk | :> |
| 17:34.00 | sKeiths | share working perfectly, ty |
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| 17:34.18 | jordanm | technologov: iotop |
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| 17:34.46 | technologov | thx |
| 17:35.44 | jordanm | !tell technologov about cross-post |
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| 17:50.32 | ksuhku | is there a top/iotop like program for network traffic? |
| 17:50.43 | unomystEz | OT: anyone have an IBM ServeRAID setup and know if the controller's BIOS can rebuild an array or if you need a separate manager? |
| 17:51.00 | ksuhku | i.e. to see how much each process is creating traffic? |
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| 17:53.28 | nvz | ksuhku: ntop |
| 17:53.38 | ponyofdeath | hi anyone know if this is possible in iptables? iptables -A FORWARD -s $INT_NET -p tcp --dport 80, 443, 9988, 17502, 20000-20100, 22990, 42127 -j ACCEPT |
| 17:53.48 | nvz | unomystEz: try ##hardware |
| 17:53.50 | abrotman | ntop is'nt really the same .. iftop and jnettop are closer |
| 17:53.53 | ponyofdeath | or do i have to do them one by one |
| 17:53.56 | ksuhku | nvz, thanks for the tip, i'll take a look |
| 17:54.04 | rozie | ponyofdeath: multiport |
| 17:54.15 | ponyofdeath | rozie: thanks |
| 17:54.20 | nvz | abrotman: do you trigger on my nick or what? heh |
| 17:54.21 | abrotman | ksuhku: iftop/jnettop |
| 17:54.24 | ksuhku | abrotman, thanks for the suggestions as well! |
| 17:54.50 | abrotman | unomystEz: it'd depend on the actual controller .. but the ones i've used rebuild when the new drive goes in (but they were true RAID SCSI controllers) |
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| 17:57.28 | nvz | puts his tinfoil hat on so abrotman can't read his mind |
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| 17:58.19 | unomystEz | abrotman: I found a bootable CD to manage the RAID controller, thanks |
| 18:00.38 | abrotman | okay .. doubt you need it .. but as i said, depends on the controller |
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| 18:07.42 | OsteHovel | ksuhku: vnstat |
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| 18:09.27 | ksuhku | OsteHovel, thanks for the suggestion, will take a look |
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| 18:34.56 | FreezingCold | Hi, I seem to be unable to resize my LUKS partition, although it's probably that I am misunderstanding it. After running "sudo cryptsetup -o 4096 -b 1363359000 resize crypt1 -v" it says command successful, but when I close it with LUKS, reopen it and show the size with LUKS status, it shows the old size still |
| 18:35.26 | nsadmin | wuks aAAUKKS? |
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| 18:35.44 | FreezingCold | LUKS is a encrypted filesystem thing |
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| 18:35.57 | nsadmin | oohh ok\\ |
| 18:36.03 | FreezingCold | trying to resize it |
| 18:36.26 | nsadmin | II'm ccooompilling nd my kkbdd isn't worrkinnghatt thhat well... |
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| 18:37.16 | qdb | i think atime is not used , why it is not turned off, to reduce writes to disk? if it is used, explain, where? |
| 18:37.35 | simonlnu | yikes |
| 18:37.53 | simonlnu | some c++ thing? :P |
| 18:38.04 | nsadmin | yep |
| 18:38.08 | abrotman | qdb: why do you think atime is not used ? |
| 18:38.14 | nsadmin | ardour |
| 18:38.26 | qdb | abrotman, never have heard/seen |
| 18:38.29 | qdb | ) |
| 18:38.38 | abrotman | qdb: man stat .. see if it explains it in there |
| 18:39.11 | qdb | abrotman, no it is not explained here |
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| 18:40.49 | nsadmin | simonlnu, interetiungg that the ssynaptics ppad iss actingg wierd bbuut an atttached mouusee works fiinne |
| 18:41.32 | nsadmin | peerhhappps oone iis innterrupt divven aand tthe otheerr is n |
| 18:41.47 | nsadmin | not |
| 18:41.57 | abrotman | qdb: so i have to do the research for you ? |
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| 18:42.28 | nsadmin | rreeeeeeeeessearchh! |
| 18:42.30 | qdb | abrotman, no. i have searched in google but have not found easily |
| 18:42.33 | abrotman | qdb: atime is definitely used |
| 18:43.00 | abrotman | qdb: sorry, man 2 stat |
| 18:43.22 | qdb | it is not at my system |
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| 18:43.55 | nsadmin | it? |
| 18:44.12 | nsadmin | ohh, much better |
| 18:44.20 | abrotman | qdb: use google for that then .. jeez |
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| 18:52.38 | raven^ | What's the difference between motd and motd.tail? |
| 18:53.15 | nkuttler | raven^: man 5 motd[.tail] |
| 18:53.54 | raven^ | OK then, question 2: Can I use bash scripting in motd? |
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| 18:56.18 | simonlnu | nsadmin: probably doing linking or something |
| 18:57.44 | nsadmin | raven: one way motd is output is by pam which might be scriptable |
| 18:58.15 | raven^ | nsadmin: Ok. I mostly want to add the uptime command and some soft colors to the motd |
| 18:58.56 | nsadmin | simonlnu, one thing I noticed is that usb mouse/kbd works totally fine while compiling, laptop builtin mouse (syn touchpad) and kbd (ps2?) seem to be polling |
| 18:59.19 | nsadmin | usb seems to be interrupt driven |
| 19:00.42 | nsadmin | something likes to get confused (or something) and shut the touchpad down |
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| 19:04.50 | nsadmin | raven^, not sure what's embeddable into motd... check that man page for that... |
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| 19:05.24 | raven^ | nsadmin: I tried alot with "standard" motd, but haven't gotten any sort of code to work. Gonna give pam a try |
| 19:06.05 | nsadmin | it's possible you could get things like date, uptime, etc outside the motd (meaning either before or after the entire motd) |
| 19:06.06 | simonlnu | hm. different implementations |
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| 19:07.06 | Lexy42 | Hello @ all |
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| 19:10.36 | raven^ | nkuttler: So, if I want to use same MOTD each time machine reboots I should edit motd.tail and NOT motd? |
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| 19:22.02 | nkuttler | raven^: no idea. i'd have to rtfm myself |
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| 19:22.21 | raven^ | Yea, sometimes you just have to bite the sour apple and go RTFM |
| 19:22.30 | raven^ | I'm man enough to admit I know jack sh*t :P |
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| 19:23.45 | jkyle | I have a cert (pem) I need to install on debian. I've created the hash and linked it to the pem, both being placed in /etc/ssl/certs |
| 19:23.51 | amee2k | is there some option in xorg or compiz to prevent application programs from changing the mouse pointer position?? |
| 19:24.36 | amee2k | the dude who wrote a program i'm trying to use found it a cool idea to make the mouse pointer jump around when entering and leaving menus |
| 19:24.43 | jkyle | but openssl s_client isn't finding it. I can specify the CApath to /etc/ssl/certs and it works |
| 19:24.49 | amee2k | and i'm desperately trying to find a way to suppress that before i'm going nuts |
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| 19:24.54 | amee2k | any hints? |
| 19:25.13 | simonlnu | shoot the bugger who wrote that? |
| 19:25.34 | simonlnu | or ask him nicely to make it optional |
| 19:25.37 | amee2k | he is somewhere at the ass end of the world i suppose |
| 19:26.15 | amee2k | and even in the likely case that he changes it because i filed a bug report, it is still highly annoying right now |
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| 19:26.22 | amee2k | unlikely* lol |
| 19:27.01 | simonlnu | don't use that? if there's a togggle somewhere, it'll be in the docs or source code |
| 19:27.08 | simonlnu | s,ggg,gg, |
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| 19:27.30 | amee2k | it has virtually zero configuration ability anyway, and it is not in anything i can find |
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| 19:27.40 | amee2k | you can't even rearrange toolbars in this ... piece |
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| 19:28.49 | simonlnu | jkyle: i'm pretty sure it's supposed to look there, but for ca certs |
| 19:29.00 | simonlnu | but i'm probably wrong |
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| 19:30.59 | abrotman | amee2k: what program is this? |
| 19:31.03 | jkyle | yeah, I thought so too. but it must not be since it works when I specify CApath. It's just a verisign signed client pem |
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| 19:31.28 | amee2k | so there is no way to make the x server reject cursor moves from application programs? |
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| 19:32.41 | jkyle | amee2k: it sounds like a very odd use case |
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| 19:33.31 | amee2k | probably just me, i'm highly allergic to that kind of program behaviour |
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| 19:33.47 | jkyle | I can't think of any program I've ever used that moves your cursor around |
| 19:33.53 | amee2k | if it helps, i can rant about it to great length :) |
| 19:33.57 | jkyle | ditch the program I say |
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| 19:34.11 | amee2k | well, apparently it is either this or three grand for a commercial solution |
| 19:34.21 | jkyle | what program? |
| 19:34.33 | amee2k | with a hobby budget of 50 eurobucks a months i'd have to save up for how long... |
| 19:34.35 | amee2k | kicad |
| 19:34.49 | jkyle | ah, cad |
| 19:35.06 | abrotman | amee2k: qcad ? |
| 19:35.50 | jkyle | never a strong point on linux, maybe run windows in a vm and use one of the many free (and quite good) layout programs |
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| 19:36.17 | amee2k | there are good free ones? |
| 19:36.48 | amee2k | all the other ones i've seen are ridiculously expensive or have even more ... vestigial UI than kicad |
| 19:36.51 | amee2k | or both |
| 19:37.11 | jkyle | several vendors offer them |
| 19:37.26 | amee2k | for example? |
| 19:37.35 | jkyle | been a while, trying ot remember the ones we had |
| 19:37.46 | amee2k | >_> |
| 19:38.22 | amee2k | i haven't laid hands on a windows box in a decade but it can't possibly be more awkward... can it? |
| 19:38.33 | jkyle | http://www.sunstone.com/ |
| 19:38.53 | jkyle | amee2k: cad on windows is quite mature |
| 19:39.13 | abrotman | not helpful |
| 19:39.21 | amee2k | no, i mean getting windows to run after not looking at it for a almost a decade :) |
| 19:39.22 | jkyle | pcb123 also provides immediate quotes on circuit boards by lot |
| 19:39.28 | abrotman | amee2k: there are a few that are okay .. depends what level you'd like to do the cad stuff .. also what kind of cad |
| 19:39.34 | jkyle | hehe, it's a lot better nowadays |
| 19:39.44 | abrotman | jkyle: this is a Debian support channel ... |
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| 19:40.07 | jkyle | amee2k: you can pm me if you have questions since, as pointed out, this is now OT |
| 19:40.16 | amee2k | last one i used was 2k and xp (which is basically 2k with a funny theme) |
| 19:40.27 | abrotman | amee2k: what kind of CAD are you looking to do ? |
| 19:40.50 | amee2k | some time ago i looked at a laptop at a store and was desperately looking for the start menu >_> |
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| 19:41.07 | amee2k | it is? |
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| 19:41.40 | abrotman | amee2k: yes, windows is offtopic here .. Do you want help with CAD on Debian ? |
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| 19:42.34 | Vasistha | flyingfoxxx: hey |
| 19:42.46 | flyingfoxxx | hi |
| 19:43.36 | Vasistha | flyingfoxxx: ok so what did you do to try to mount the device, which didn't work? |
| 19:43.53 | flyingfoxxx | when i plug it in it automatically tries to mount |
| 19:44.10 | amee2k | so no ideas on how to suppress that jumping mouse pointer thing? |
| 19:44.10 | flyingfoxxx | then if i try to mount using 'mount /media/usbflash' it comes up with an error |
| 19:44.16 | abrotman | and that error is ? |
| 19:44.47 | flyingfoxxx | wrong fs type |
| 19:45.01 | flyingfoxxx | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so |
| 19:45.23 | abrotman | flyingfoxxx: what is uname -r ? |
| 19:45.33 | Vasistha | flyingfoxxx: ah so as root, fdisk -l |
| 19:46.02 | Vasistha | abrotman: he's my brother, running oldstable |
| 19:47.39 | flyingfoxxx | ok it says /dev/sda1 has System HPFS/NTFS |
| 19:48.04 | Vasistha | flyingfoxxx: I was suspicious of that. Who gave you the flash drive, a mac user or windows user? |
| 19:48.11 | flyingfoxxx | windows |
| 19:48.17 | flyingfoxxx | from art's computer |
| 19:48.24 | Vasistha | flyingfoxxx: then mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbflash |
| 19:49.33 | flyingfoxxx | it worked! |
| 19:49.39 | flyingfoxxx | let me see if i can copy the file off now |
| 19:50.45 | Vasistha | flyingfoxxx: there may be some permissions issues so since it's just one file one time, it may be easier to copy as root. Note that that may be a very big file so you may not have hard drive space...... |
| 19:51.10 | flyingfoxxx | i should have enough space, i put it in the Docs partition |
| 19:51.23 | Vasistha | flyingfoxxx: nice, anything else |
| 19:51.25 | Vasistha | ? |
| 19:51.34 | flyingfoxxx | let me just see if it'll play now |
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| 19:51.54 | Vasistha | probably wasn't necessary to copy it in order to play it :) |
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| 19:53.11 | flyingfoxxx | crap |
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| 19:53.20 | flyingfoxxx | neither mplayer nor vlc wants to play it |
| 19:53.36 | abrotman | on oldstable? not surprised |
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| 19:54.49 | Vasistha | flyingfoxxx: I'm sorry. I have to get you upgraded. Although... um, how big is that file? We could probably figure out a way for you to transfer it to me, and I can see if it plays on my computer, and if so I might be able to get it sorted out |
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| 19:55.17 | Vasistha | flyingfoxxx: let's pm now, no point staying in-channel |
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| 19:59.14 | Vasistha | flyingfoxxx: if you look at the top of the browser window you'll notice a little tab/box that says "Vasistha", can you click it? |
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| 20:01.05 | didou | Hello, any known fix for the Dell N5110/Nvidia GT525 nightmare ? |
| 20:01.23 | abrotman | in what OS? |
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| 20:01.46 | didou | (I need 3D, trying to run nvidia driver but X wont start complaining that "no screens found) |
| 20:01.54 | didou | debian 2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64 |
| 20:01.59 | Vasistha | !nvidia |
| 20:01.59 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:02.31 | didou | :) fair enough |
| 20:02.46 | didou | anyway to have 3D support in an accepted debian way? |
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| 20:09.39 | bfig | Hello. I'm having trouble with a shared library and a certain program. I have dwarf fortress (a game) which needs libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0, and complains i don't have it. i run locate libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 and unsurprisingly it appears right under /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ |
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| 20:10.29 | bfig | so anyway, just to make sure, dpkg -S .... -> they are just gtk2 packages, so i try to install every package that holds that file, and i have all of them installed :| |
| 20:10.48 | EyesIsMine | symlink it into /usr/lib |
| 20:10.57 | EyesIsMine | just a guess |
| 20:11.02 | EyesIsMine | but that worked when I had a pesky lib |
| 20:11.25 | abrotman | bfig: it's a 32bit game |
| 20:11.43 | wabi | this is so cool :) .. i just need to mention that i am german..and i am banned from ubuntu.. debian and so on.. right away :) |
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| 20:12.04 | wabi | hello abrotman ;) |
| 20:12.06 | wabi | hehe |
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| 20:12.14 | bfig | abrotman, aaahh! of course :) |
| 20:12.36 | bfig | abrotman, how can i download 32 bit libraries and use them? |
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| 20:13.29 | JQuazar | I just installed Debian (Linux Mint Debian Edition) and am trying to get nvidia driver installed on this new ride, |
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| 20:13.54 | JQuazar | stuck on 'gcc version used to compile: 4.4; gcc currently installed: 4.6' any clues for me? |
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| 20:15.19 | wabi | how can you people be "raised" in knowledge :) |
| 20:15.30 | zykotick9 | JQuazar: just an FYI, but LMDE isn't debian - thus isn't supported here. Good luck BTW. |
| 20:16.09 | JQuazar | zykotic9: fair enough... honestly I don't know why I'm not running Squeeze, I dumped the mint ubuntu because I know debian better, sigh |
| 20:16.25 | JQuazar | broke the MF Wintendo install too, might as well fdisk the thing to the metal and start again |
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| 20:16.40 | zaltekk | it's telling you the kernel was built with gcc4.4 |
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| 20:16.51 | zaltekk | and that it needs to build a module for it but that it only sees gcc4.6 |
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| 20:17.01 | JQuazar | zaltekk, should I install 4.4? or try building kernel at 4.6? |
| 20:17.07 | zaltekk | either should work |
| 20:17.35 | JQuazar | gonna go sleep on it, up way too early, thanks |
| 20:17.38 | thewanderer_ | what's the simplest way to determine monthly network uptime with, say, 1-minute resolution? I want to make sure my ISP is meeting the SLA, but I'm not willing to write a complete solution myself... |
| 20:18.12 | bfig | mmm seems i could use ia32-libs... |
| 20:18.13 | JQuazar | every minute fire a crontab ping and append to a log |
| 20:18.22 | JQuazar | thewanderer_ you said you wanted simple :) |
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| 20:19.14 | zaltekk | your ISP has an SLA? |
| 20:19.22 | thewanderer__ | yes, in fact they do |
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| 20:19.35 | zaltekk | seems to be failing. |
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| 20:19.50 | thewanderer__ | and, as you can see right now by my join/part's, I'm having an issue with that... |
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| 20:20.19 | JQuazar | how about Nagios? that used to be the shizzle |
| 20:20.29 | zaltekk | still is |
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| 20:21.14 | thewanderer__ | alright, cron it is, then! |
| 20:22.09 | grayghost | I got a message a while ago that my system had a kernel failure ..... what does that mean ??? |
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| 20:23.21 | thewanderer__ | grayghost, something is apparently malfunctioning... `dmesg` will tell you what |
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| 20:24.30 | grayghost | I rebooted .... so probably not |
| 20:24.52 | thewanderer__ | past logs are stored in /var/log/dmesg* |
| 20:25.04 | JQuazar | OK so I'm gonna install Windows 7 (the point of this machine is Wintendo) and Squeeze... which first do you guys suggest? |
| 20:25.31 | thewanderer__ | Windows first, otherwise it'll mess up your MBR |
| 20:25.36 | JQuazar | word |
| 20:25.37 | JQuazar | thanks |
| 20:25.38 | JQuazar | TTYL |
| 20:25.41 | Moon__ | JQuazar, Windows First |
| 20:25.44 | Moon__ | Oh, too late |
| 20:25.45 | Moon__ | :3 |
| 20:26.02 | JQuazar | good that's +2 |
| 20:26.09 | thewanderer__ | has 3-second pings, but his clairvoyance seems to be working good at this hour |
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| 20:35.54 | EvilToaster | How can i block vim to not browse the filesystem without using chroot |
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| 20:37.11 | steampunkey | hey. i see my cd roms mounting to /dev/<CDROM_NAME> rather than /dev/cdrom or /dev/cdrom0. why? |
| 20:38.27 | jesk | anyone an idea how to influence the window scaling factor in windows 7? |
| 20:38.39 | steampunkey | jesk: this is #debian |
| 20:38.40 | jesk | when using http it only announce factor of 4 |
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| 20:39.26 | jesk | steampunkey, people using debian often troubles around with windoze users/applications/whatever, experience is OS independent |
| 20:39.44 | jesk | factor of 4 is "just" something around 200k |
| 20:39.53 | jesk | this only happens when using http |
| 20:40.08 | steampunkey | jesk: there is #windows |
| 20:40.31 | jesk | and you think this channel can help with *that* kind of question? |
| 20:40.42 | abrotman | jesk: Do you have a Debian question ? |
| 20:40.47 | steampunkey | jesk: i think people don't like windows questions here |
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| 20:40.58 | abrotman | steampunkey: probably some automounter .. |
| 20:40.59 | steampunkey | abrotman: i have one |
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| 20:41.39 | steampunkey | abrotman: yes. but why? seems strange for debian to have the dir and not use it. or do you mean some DE's automounter, something higher up the ladder? |
| 20:41.58 | abrotman | steampunkey: right, something like gnome or kde might be doing that |
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| 20:43.12 | steampunkey | abrotman: that sucks, but thanks. hey, do you know a user-level tool that lets you see where /dev/cdrom is mounted? |
| 20:43.31 | steampunkey | by user-level i actually mean usable by a non-super-user |
| 20:43.42 | steampunkey | maybe somewhere in proc perhaps? |
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| 20:44.50 | abrotman | steampunkey: you mean like .. typing 'mount' ? |
| 20:45.13 | steampunkey | abrotman: i found it in /proc/mounts, but it's named sr0 or smth, not cdrom |
| 20:45.26 | steampunkey | yeah, that appears to be the same output |
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| 20:45.37 | abrotman | steampunkey: ls -l /dev/cdrom |
| 20:45.54 | steampunkey | abrotman: thanks |
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| 20:49.59 | DexterF | hi |
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| 21:04.15 | DexterF | is there something like a mini-linux I can boot from an image file that gives me X, network, a browser, console and sumsuch? something I can pass to grub and can store on any file system grub can access? |
| 21:05.51 | grayghost | DexterF: pmagic |
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| 21:06.42 | grayghost | http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=partedmagic |
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| 21:07.44 | DexterF | grayghost: yes, that's wht I need, thanks. |
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| 21:08.05 | grayghost | put it on a thumb drive for recovery |
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| 21:10.00 | DexterF | grayghost: I'd prefer to boot of existing disks. can grub boot an iso? |
| 21:10.04 | DexterF | grub2 that is |
| 21:10.34 | grayghost | I don't know |
| 21:12.38 | Vasistha | DexterF: you mean, an iso file residing on e.g. an ext2 fs? I doubt it |
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| 21:18.08 | DexterF | hm, grub2 can loopback... http://www.panticz.de/MultiBootUSB |
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| 21:21.23 | grayghost | for me it is much better to have a usb 4 gb with it on .... incase grub fails ... I can restore it or to copy a partition |
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| 21:24.26 | nadar | could someone please invite me to #debian-next? |
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| 21:27.24 | ompaul | nadar: it is only on irc.oftc.net not on freenode |
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| 21:29.05 | nadar | ompaul, interesting. trying to join #debian-next in freenode gives me |
| 21:29.06 | nadar | [22:24:01] * Kann #debian-next nicht betreten (Channel ist nur auf Einladung zu betreten). |
| 21:29.18 | nadar | that means: can't join, only by invitation |
| 21:29.32 | ompaul | nadar: cos it is closed not open for breakfast dinner or tea - the only one that is in use is on oftc as I said |
| 21:29.47 | nadar | yes, ty |
| 21:29.51 | nadar | am there |
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| 21:30.04 | nadar | but then freenode could handle this an other way |
| 21:30.20 | grayghost | what is so special about -next ? |
| 21:30.28 | ompaul | no the people who set up debian-next are not going to split it across two networks :-) |
| 21:30.56 | ompaul | grayghost: nothing - it is for those who should know better than running testing software or sid for that matter (but some do :-)) |
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| 21:32.16 | grayghost | I had testing for a week .... I entered the wrong source list ... and got an update :P |
| 21:33.11 | ompaul | grayghost: scary? |
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| 21:51.29 | JQuazar | trying hard to install Debian Squeeze... has anyone done that? ha |
| 21:51.51 | ChrisH | several times |
| 21:51.52 | JQuazar | burned a netinst CD but the thing doesn't have my NIC driver... would I have better luck with another .iso? needs non-free |
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| 21:52.32 | ChrisH | I worked around using PXE boot and an modified initrd. |
| 21:53.52 | ompaul | JQuazar: get yourself a stick and get the firmware linux non-free package pull it in from usb install it and get on with your life :) |
| 21:54.07 | JQuazar | ChrisH: thanks! hurts my head to think about |
| 21:54.22 | JQuazar | ompaul: need help finding the bits to put on the stick |
| 21:54.39 | ompaul | JQuazar: http://some-repo or via the web |
| 21:54.47 | ompaul | well its always via the web lets see |
| 21:54.52 | JQuazar | LOL I clicked that |
| 21:55.05 | JQuazar | so I need rtl_nic/rtl8168e.fw |
| 21:55.29 | JQuazar | what the hell's a wheezy? http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-realtek |
| 21:55.35 | ChrisH | http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware is a starting point |
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| 21:56.14 | JQuazar | chris, right on thank you |
| 21:56.14 | ChrisH | but I did not understand from there in which format and where I need to put the firmware onto the USB Stick, |
| 21:56.39 | ompaul | JQuazar: get it here http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/all/firmware-linux-nonfree/download |
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| 21:56.56 | DusteD | JQuazar, I have experienced that newer versions of the installer can not complete the automatic network setup (dhcp), however, punching in the ip/subnet/gateway manually works for me. |
| 21:56.59 | JQuazar | dude that makes sense!! |
| 21:57.15 | JQuazar | dusted, thanks I'll punt in a little bit if this doesn't work |
| 21:57.31 | ompaul | JQuazar: you did your install connected to the internet? (at a guess no) |
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| 21:58.05 | JQuazar | nope... win7 failed too, but I used motherboard vendor disk... no linux support to be had there |
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| 21:58.43 | JQuazar | so can I put the .deb on the USB drive? or do I have to unpack the .deb somehow? |
| 21:59.08 | ChrisH | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/testing/ has tar.gz and zip |
| 21:59.13 | ompaul | JQuazar: put it on the usb drive however let me point out that a netinstall without lan is .... a pain |
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| 21:59.38 | ompaul | ChrisH: you don't go mixing up testing and stable and sid unless you want random bits of broken hardware |
| 21:59.38 | JQuazar | ompaul if I can get past the NIC driver issue I should be able to enjoy large bandwidth and go go go? |
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| 22:00.21 | ChrisH | ompaul: What did I mix up? |
| 22:00.46 | ompaul | JQuazar: I don't know that you will, if it doesn't start at the beginning, I'd guess you'd be better off with your gnome / kde disk one |
| 22:01.23 | JQuazar | ompaul, I'm gonna try... just wasted half a day on ............................ wait, do you mean Debian Squeeze Gnome or something? |
| 22:01.37 | JQuazar | not interested in Ubuntuish solutions right now |
| 22:01.37 | ompaul | JQuazar: so what are you trying to install (lets start there) |
| 22:02.01 | JQuazar | Debian-based Linux + nvidia drivers + java + minecraft, and I can sleep |
| 22:02.01 | DusteD | I'm amazed that someone chose to tag "won't fix" to a bug that's making hosting websites on debian a pita simply because it would mean including a fork of an allready existing lib. |
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| 22:03.51 | ompaul | JQuazar: no idea about java or minecraft (kind of thankfully) ;-) --- so download the full iso onto the desktop you are on, gnome or kde or whatever, cat debian-*.iso > /dev/sdX (assumes you have a working linux system) and it will do a reasonable base of an install for you |
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| 22:04.38 | ompaul | if you only have a netinst cd and no working internet connection you have a whole world of hurt coming your way if you insist on the route you are taking |
| 22:04.48 | ompaul | brb |
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| 22:06.42 | JQuazar | OK I see my mistake |
| 22:06.46 | ompaul | JQuazar: do you understand what I am on about there? I'm trying to save you from wasting another half a day, you should be reasonably well able to get up and running in about 1 hour bandwidth depending and if you have already one working linux box |
| 22:07.03 | JQuazar | ompaul, thank you! let me clear: |
| 22:07.07 | JQuazar | oops my phone |
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| 22:07.45 | JQuazar | somebdoy else got it... OK now I'm downloading debian-live-6.0.3-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso -- for some reason I caught the part about "netinst means less downloads since you tailor what you need" |
| 22:08.12 | abrotman | JQuazar: that is what it means .. the livecd isn't what you want |
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| 22:08.34 | ompaul | JQuazar: what I said was get the full cd of kde or gnome please |
| 22:08.40 | JQuazar | liveCD obviously better, I'm just building a new Wintendo system and can't stand the idea of always booting to Windows. hey thanks abrotman |
| 22:08.40 | tharkun | Is lenny EOL? |
| 22:08.50 | JQuazar | OK sec |
| 22:08.52 | ompaul | JQuazar: it is not good for your use case |
| 22:09.00 | abrotman | tharkun: soon |
| 22:09.10 | abrotman | JQuazar: the livecd is not obviously better |
| 22:09.17 | JQuazar | huh |
| 22:09.23 | tharkun | abrotman: any noise on amavisd-new breaking havoc around? |
| 22:09.39 | abrotman | not that i've seen |
| 22:09.57 | JQuazar | debian-6.0.3-amd64-CD-1.iso yes? |
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| 22:10.15 | ecart | how do I install this module use Net:: Ping? |
| 22:10.16 | JQuazar | plus that clue about the firmware download from earlier? |
| 22:10.18 | tharkun | abrotman: thanks. I just got one installation that totally fubared a couple of hours ago. Guess i will need to upgrade asap :( |
| 22:11.25 | ompaul | JQuazar: if your hardware is 64bit yes and the tip about the firmware - btw just check that file looks at your personal card - you might want other firmware but generally the one I pointed at works for most use cases |
| 22:12.01 | ecart | how do I install this module use Net:: Ping? |
| 22:12.01 | JQuazar | ompaul: thanks much |
| 22:12.01 | abrotman | tharkun: lenny gets support for roughly 12 months after the release of squeeze |
| 22:12.06 | abrotman | ecart: apt-cache search perl net ping ? |
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| 22:12.20 | ecart | ok |
| 22:12.21 | ompaul | JQuazar: the command as root is>>> dpkg -i firmware-linux-nonfree_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb |
| 22:12.27 | ecart | let me see |
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| 22:13.05 | tharkun | abrotman: Thanks i know the facts. But murphy's law states that the only server you forgot to handover to your support team should break when you are on vacation |
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| 22:13.18 | abrotman | tharkun: fantastic! |
| 22:14.04 | JQuazar | ompaul, thanks will give it a try |
| 22:14.13 | tharkun | Yea, fantastic was last night's party not connecting to irc to investigate what went wrong :( |
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| 22:14.45 | ompaul | JQuazar: it's worked for lots of people before :) it should work for you do you know the exact network card? |
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| 22:15.59 | i5513 | hi, what can I do if I have a key combo wich is not recognized by xev and not showkey ? |
| 22:16.06 | nsadmin | I have a syn touchpad and I think some sort of ps2-like keyboard... how can I find out if I can put them under interrupt instead of polling? and, what would have them polling if I have irqpoll? |
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| 22:16.29 | Miesco | How do I find out my video driver? |
| 22:16.33 | abrotman | nsadmin: pretty sure that's a hardware function |
| 22:16.39 | abrotman | Miesco: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 22:16.52 | Miesco | THANKS |
| 22:17.10 | JQuazar | ompaul, it's integrated RTL8111E PCIe Gigabit LAN controller (featuring AI NET 2, how can that be a bad thing ha) |
| 22:17.11 | ompaul | JQuazar: if that firmware blob package does not work you should see what you want here http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/kernel/ |
| 22:17.15 | tharkun | nsadmin: iirc keyboard and mouse use an irq they are not acces by polling |
| 22:17.39 | JQuazar | cool |
| 22:19.28 | JQuazar | committing CD-1.iso to plastic |
| 22:19.42 | nsadmin | tharkun, ok, understood... and, I was compiling something earlier (took kinda a long time too) and the keyboard started repppeeaating like tthiss, the touchpad froze periodically,.and when I plugged in usb mouse and kbd, smooth as silk, like the machine was totally idle |
| 22:20.20 | mstevens | anyone tried installing debian on a fuloong? |
| 22:20.34 | Miesco | I'm using intel video driver |
| 22:20.39 | nsadmin | I tried installing one on a potato... |
| 22:20.43 | Miesco | Will I be able to play BroodWars? |
| 22:21.04 | nsadmin | had no obvious effect so I fried and ate it |
| 22:21.20 | JQuazar | mstevens: yes, I can say with assurance http://aligunduz.org/blog/unboxing_lemote_fuloong_mini.html |
| 22:21.37 | JQuazar | someone has :) |
| 22:21.38 | ompaul | JQuazar: that card is a dog complete and utter from what I read I take it you have another machine upon which you can stay connected while you work on it? |
| 22:22.11 | JQuazar | ompaul yep... my other choice right now, plug in a tried-and-true RTL8139C and call it good enough |
| 22:22.28 | mstevens | JQuazar: doesn't tell me why my install doesn't work though :( |
| 22:22.45 | ompaul | mstevens: it works with mipssel |
| 22:22.52 | JQuazar | but I'm on my insanely-not-free ride, best not discussed now they make me Think Differently The Way We Tell You To |
| 22:23.21 | mstevens | ompaul: I'm trying with the wheezy installer and my monitor refuses to touch whatever video mode it's using |
| 22:23.35 | DusteD | There's just something about installing 300 MiB's of extra packages so I can compile a library from source because package maintainers thought it'd be too "inefficient" to have two version of this <1MiB lib in the repositories :D |
| 22:23.44 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.13 | mstevens | ompaul: perhaps. Allegedly wheezy has better support although I'm reconsidering this theoryu |
| 22:24.43 | ompaul | mstevens: that's a good idea, I have heard that somepeople got squeeze more or less working on ti |
| 22:24.44 | JQuazar | DusteD: feel your pain mang |
| 22:24.44 | ompaul | it |
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| 22:27.01 | nsadmin | DusteD, the 300mib was compilers and binutils mostly? |
| 22:27.23 | abrotman | Miesco: what don't you just try it and see ? |
| 22:29.01 | DusteD | nsadmin, and deps, all stuff that I will need only once, because maintaining two different forks of gdlib was too humongous task.. Especially since gdlib is a pretty big deal for many php folks, making debian less desirable as a hosting platform |
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| 22:29.20 | DusteD | Then again, the bug is only 5 years old and marked wontfix |
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| 22:34.36 | ecart | Unrecognized character \xC2 in column 1 test line 2 |
| 22:34.40 | ecart | what it means? |
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| 22:36.29 | fenugreek | ecart: just what it says |
| 22:36.58 | ompaul | ecart: I have no idea, nor if you give me a context do I stand a reasonable chance of working it out, some others might, if you have more (a lot more) context |
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| 22:44.32 | mstevens | okay, the squeeze instructions fail too. hrm |
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| 22:47.47 | ompaul | mstevens: you are using not mips but mipssel ? |
| 22:48.35 | ompaul | mstevens: it might have more to do with pmon than debian itself? |
| 22:49.00 | ompaul | mstevens: these are guesses btw - not based on personal experience |
| 22:49.14 | mstevens | I'm definitely using mipsel |
| 22:49.36 | ompaul | and you've told pmon about the new partition / install? |
| 22:49.45 | mstevens | ompaul: yes, it can see the partition |
| 22:49.49 | mstevens | and seems happy to try to boot from it |
| 22:49.56 | mstevens | I think it's some fatal video disagreement |
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| 22:50.08 | ompaul | are you getting any console at that point at all? or does it not show at all? |
| 22:50.16 | mstevens | not at all |
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| 22:51.33 | mstevens | ompaul: I am currently experimenting with framebuffer options |
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| 22:53.08 | ompaul | mstevens: if I may ask you to do me a favour with that box, can you take a photo of the underside of the powersupply so I can find mine (I have about 30 small form laptop psus and don't know which one matches the foolong) |
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| 22:53.45 | ompaul | should get back to hacking it a bit |
| 22:53.54 | mstevens | ompaul: I haven't got a camera handy but it's labelled as a "great wall switching power supply" |
| 22:54.26 | ompaul | thanks that should be enough to find it |
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| 22:56.51 | TheTerminator | !webmin |
| 22:56.52 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 23:13.30 | JQuazar | ompaul, et al: full disk 1 + my old NIC = win! |
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| 23:13.49 | JQuazar | THANKS |
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| 23:15.17 | ompaul | JQuazar: enjoy, please do yourself a favour and only use debian repos and then use them carefully :) |
| 23:16.18 | ompaul | JQuazar: ask here if you are unsure, if you do something random written in a wiki or some such you might find if it is not debian.org that it fails on you and leaves you holding both halves of a broken machine :) |
| 23:16.19 | thomax | hi. i have a simple question. is there a way to get my old desktop back? i hate unity, like to have my old gnome-panel settings and desktop shortcuts, compiz and metacity.... |
| 23:16.45 | ompaul | thomax: eh perhaps that is a #ubuntu question? |
| 23:16.49 | Chinese_soup | eee, this is #debian, or am I in the wrong place? |
| 23:16.55 | thomax | no, debian |
| 23:17.03 | JQuazar | ompaul, thanks man seen that sort of mess before... OK I'll not go "tl;dr" but on to the next thing, |
| 23:17.11 | Chinese_soup | unity on debian? o_o |
| 23:17.21 | dvs | thomax: #debian-next |
| 23:17.22 | thomax | i made an apt-upgrade and now i'm hit by this dumb stuff |
| 23:17.26 | JQuazar | I need to install the nvidia drivers in a proper Debian way... where's the instructions for the impatient? :) |
| 23:17.29 | ompaul | thomax: when you start your machine choose your gnome / kde or whatever |
| 23:17.44 | nkuttler | !tell JQuazar about nvidia |
| 23:17.47 | thomax | ompaul: i did with no effect |
| 23:17.51 | ompaul | JQuazar: do this /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 23:18.28 | thomax | dvs: i'm alone on #debian-next.... |
| 23:18.31 | ompaul | thomax: as you go to log in - you should have an option ... to choose your desktop |
| 23:18.35 | JQuazar | cool, thanks... nkuttler hit me so fast he may be a bot :) |
| 23:18.45 | abrotman | thomax: oftc |
| 23:18.49 | ompaul | thomax: there is no working #debian-next on freenode - oftc |
| 23:19.20 | ompaul | thomax: also for fun install lxde or something and choose that just to be happy that your gdm is working allowing you change stuff |
| 23:19.40 | jnewt | apparently i'm missing something here. if i do uname -a, i get Linux x 2.6.32-5-amd64...x86_64. does that not mean i'm running a 64bit system? i tried to install google chrome amd64 version, and got an error saying it was incompatible with i386 or something of that sort |
| 23:20.09 | ompaul | jnewt apt-get install chromium |
| 23:20.10 | thomax | ompaul: i also tried twm in gdm |
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| 23:20.28 | ompaul | thomax: and did it work? |
| 23:20.30 | jnewt | ompaul: didn't answer the question. |
| 23:20.34 | nkuttler | jnewt: chromium-browser |
| 23:20.39 | thomax | ompaul: nope.. all unity |
| 23:20.58 | ompaul | thomax: apt-get remove --purge unity and that's where I'll leave it |
| 23:21.11 | thomax | ompaul: there is no package called unity |
| 23:21.15 | jnewt | still doesn't answer the question nkuttler: why does it say i need the i386 version as opposed to the amd64, when uname has amd64 right in the output? |
| 23:21.23 | ompaul | thomax: how did yo uinstall it? |
| 23:21.29 | dvs | ,versiions unity |
| 23:21.30 | nkuttler | jnewt: we don't support 3rd party software |
| 23:21.32 | thomax | apt-get upgrade |
| 23:21.35 | dvs | oops |
| 23:21.46 | ompaul | thomax: what package? |
| 23:22.06 | thomax | # apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade |
| 23:22.12 | jnewt | nkuttler: i'm not asking you to, i'm asking you if the uname output confirms that I have a 64 bit setup? |
| 23:22.17 | thomax | this makes a complete upgrade of all new packages |
| 23:22.36 | nkuttler | jnewt: that's a 64bit kernel |
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| 23:22.52 | ompaul | thomax: do this cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep main and paste it here please |
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| 23:23.00 | ompaul | thomax: ONE line only please |
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| 23:23.22 | pietro74 | ciao |
| 23:23.25 | pietro74 | !list |
| 23:23.26 | dpkg | pietro74: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 23:23.36 | thomax | deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 23:23.48 | Guest66529 | When I try to move a window it won't move--even when I try to do this with a usb mouse. |
| 23:23.57 | thomax | also unstable |
| 23:24.03 | thomax | i'm mostly unstable |
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| 23:24.31 | ompaul | thomax: you can't go mixing them any random way you like - you get a borken computer it will also be broken |
| 23:24.40 | pietro74 | ciao |
| 23:24.45 | pietro74 | !list |
| 23:24.45 | dpkg | pietro74: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 23:24.46 | FritzPhantom | hi! i have a problem: cron is not started on boot.. what should i check? |
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| 23:25.01 | jnewt | nkuttler: is it possible to run a 64bit kernel and not have a 64bit setup / OS / system? I feel like you threw the word kernel in there on purpose, while the bigger picture may be something different. |
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| 23:25.38 | nkuttler | jnewt: honestly, i don't recall. i think you can run 32bit userspace on 64bit kernel, but i've been 100% 64bit for years |
| 23:25.42 | thomax | ompaul: i use -t |
| 23:26.18 | lfamorim | someone know a Debian Squeeze alternative for this command? emsetup --arch armel |
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| 23:26.24 | Pyrox | hello |
| 23:26.29 | Pyrox | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:27.14 | ompaul | thomax: you're on your own I'm a kde person, however apt-cache search unity, shows up: gnome-themes-extras :: maybe remove that and it might help? |
| 23:27.15 | dvs | !tell Pyrox about ubuntu |
| 23:27.35 | ompaul | thomax: you could ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 23:27.50 | thomax | nope, it's not about extra themes |
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| 23:28.24 | ompaul | thomax: a d-u does not supply unity on debian |
| 23:28.44 | thomax | a d-u ? |
| 23:28.50 | ompaul | dist-upgrade |
| 23:29.02 | thomax | it supplies gnome3 |
| 23:29.08 | nkuttler | !unity |
| 23:29.09 | dpkg | Unity is a shell interface for <GNOME>, part of the Ayatana project. <ITP> filed as Debian bug #609278. http://unity.ubuntu.com/ |
| 23:29.13 | thomax | gnome3 comes with unity (gnome-shell) |
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| 23:29.35 | dvs | thomax: on wheezy |
| 23:29.47 | nkuttler | doesn't look like it's packaged yet |
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| 23:30.01 | ompaul | thomax: please pastebin in paste.debian.net /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 23:30.08 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 23:30.22 | Bartzy | if I see question marks on 'ls' output instead of hebrew, how can I fix that ? |
| 23:30.48 | valdyn | Bartzy: install/use a font that can display those characters |
| 23:30.52 | thomax | wait, because unity is gnome-shell i try to purge this.. lets see what happen... brb |
| 23:31.06 | ompaul | there goes a working system |
| 23:31.17 | Bartzy | valdyn: How can I make the shell to use that font ? |
| 23:31.19 | ompaul | thomax: please pastebin in paste.debian.net /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 23:31.38 | thomax | one sec, i will check it first |
| 23:31.47 | valdyn | Bartzy: what shell? |
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| 23:31.52 | nkuttler | Bartzy: use a terminal that supports unicode? |
| 23:31.59 | Bartzy | valdyn: Bash |
| 23:32.05 | valdyn | Bartzy: the shell has nothing to do with terminal supporting any font |
| 23:32.21 | nkuttler | !hebrew |
| 23:32.22 | dpkg | somebody said hebrew was to install hebrew fonts in debian: apt-get install culmus, or check out http://iglu.org.il/faq/cache/8.html or http://debian-hebrew.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 23:34.01 | Bartzy | thanks |
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| 23:36.32 | lfamorim | someone know a Debian Squeeze alternative for this command? emsetup --arch armel |
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| 23:54.33 | thomax | ok. i got unity off now. but the gnome-panel.... i can't configure it. |
| 23:54.36 | thomax | sighs |
| 23:55.47 | thomax | all my old desktop is gone.. desktop image is the minor problem :-( |
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