| 00:00.04 | ompaul | thomax: you are using "not stable" "not complete" this is to be expected |
| 00:00.36 | thomax | i use testing/unstable |
| 00:00.54 | DusteD | thomas`, I had the same problem (Gnome3) installing XFCE4 and using that fixed that :P |
| 00:01.28 | DusteD | Actually, not using Gnome3 solved almost every problem I had with it. :) |
| 00:01.37 | thomax | DusteD: but i'm used to use metacity with compiz :-( |
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| 00:02.02 | thomax | and i love my old gnome desktop. |
| 00:02.20 | DusteD | You can use metacity + compiz with xfce if you want to |
| 00:02.55 | DusteD | I loved my old gnome2 desktop too, I still find it superior to XFCE, but at least XFCE is maintained |
| 00:03.09 | thomax | DusteD: sure. i use it right now. but there is no nautilus desktop and i can't configure the gnome-panel |
| 00:03.16 | LeLutin | when setting up pxe, I have to d/l the pxelinux.0 bootloader from the debian archives. is there a package that contains this file so that I could apt-get install it instead of getting it with wget? |
| 00:03.17 | DusteD | =( |
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| 00:04.02 | DusteD | LeLutin, you can use apt-file search to search for files insides packages that are or are not installed |
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| 00:05.25 | delby | hi. i am running icewm on debian testing. i am trying to find a lighter alternative to wicd and network-manager-gnome for wireless network management. both have quite large dependencies. thanks. |
| 00:06.06 | LeLutin | DusteD: oh nice. I didn't know of this util. I'll try it out |
| 00:08.48 | LeLutin | DusteD: nice, the package syslinux-common contains the file |
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| 00:11.43 | DusteD | LeLutin, Nice :) |
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| 00:12.11 | jordanm | delby: the wicd depends looks very minimal for a wireless manager |
| 00:12.25 | jordanm | ,depends wicd-daemon |
| 00:12.27 | judd | Package wicd-daemon in squeeze/i386 -- depends: debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, python, python-dbus, python-gobject, python-iniparse, dbus, wpasupplicant, wireless-tools, dhcpcd | dhcp3-client | pump | udhcpc, net-tools | ethtool, net-tools | iproute, adduser, lsb-base (>= 3.2-13), psmisc, iputils-ping | inetutils-ping, python-wicd (= 1.7.0+ds1-5). |
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| 00:16.29 | dvs | ,versions wicd |
| 00:16.31 | judd | Package: wicd on i386 -- lenny-backports: 1.6.2.2-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.7.0+ds1-5; wheezy: 1.7.0+ds1-9; sid: 1.7.1~b3-3 |
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| 00:17.47 | delby | jordanm: when i aptitude -s it i get a lot more. |
| 00:18.44 | simonlnu | turn recommends off |
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| 00:20.28 | delby | simonlnu, ok will give it a try. |
| 00:20.53 | delby | jordanm, simonlnu, thanks |
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| 00:22.29 | waa_programmer | hi |
| 00:22.40 | waa_programmer | can you tell me what vserver kernel is? |
| 00:23.14 | waa_programmer | i can't find a solution to enable acceleration in qemu and vbox - maybe it is? |
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| 00:34.19 | Capso | has anyone tried Google Chrome's libpdf.so with Chromium? |
| 00:34.38 | Capso | None of the PDF features seem to work - I can't even scroll through it. |
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| 00:42.10 | chomwitt | how could 'dig +trace sitename' and 'dig +notrace sitename' give diff resovled ip ? |
| 00:42.43 | simonlnu | round robin for the hostanme? |
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| 00:48.45 | waa_programmer | hi |
| 00:48.52 | waa_programmer | again |
| 00:49.03 | waa_programmer | i can't install nvidia drivers |
| 00:49.23 | jordanm | !nvidia |
| 00:49.23 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 00:49.55 | waa_programmer | useful bot :) |
| 00:49.59 | simonlnu | very |
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| 00:50.10 | technologov | Why use Nouveau drivers if they don't support 3D ? PPl can use VESA instead... |
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| 00:50.31 | wingie | anyone here who can tell me how i use basic auth with curl? |
| 00:50.34 | DusteD | technologov, some people are a bit.. passionate about everything being opensource |
| 00:50.41 | DusteD | wingie, man curl |
| 00:50.43 | wingie | i have tried --user username:password but it doesn't seem to work |
| 00:50.54 | wingie | DusteD: i did that .. couldn't find any info |
| 00:50.58 | technologov | y, but if ppl going 100% OSS route, they can use VESA driver. |
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| 00:51.20 | technologov | nouveau doesn't support 3D in Debian |
| 00:51.25 | DusteD | technologov, but vesa won't give them accelerated 2D |
| 00:51.28 | forgotten | wingie: http://curl.haxx.se/docs/manpage.html |
| 00:51.33 | wingie | this is crazy |
| 00:51.41 | simonlnu | technologov: maybe they don't want to use that either? |
| 00:51.57 | orolin | With an Intel Core i7 processor, should I choose the 'amd64' or 'ia64' installer? |
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| 00:52.10 | technologov | 'amd64' |
| 00:52.17 | orolin | thanks! |
| 00:52.30 | DusteD | wingie, have you tried giving the url as protocol://username:password@domain:port/path/file ? |
| 00:52.31 | waa_programmer | xcusme |
| 00:52.45 | waa_programmer | can I install ALL dkms nvidia drivers? all versions? |
| 00:52.53 | DusteD | for example curl http://warez:giveme@porn.com/secret.zip ? |
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| 00:53.24 | simonlnu | waa_programmer: why? only one will work. |
| 00:53.48 | waa_programmer | but i dunno which i should install :| |
| 00:53.54 | waa_programmer | i dunno name of my card |
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| 00:54.10 | DusteD | waa_programmer, if I were you, I'd use the official route and drop the package system alltogether, then you can also use the nice little driver selection guide on the nvidia website |
| 00:54.22 | jordanm | technologov: nouveau supports 3d, but its support is new and limited |
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| 00:54.43 | simonlnu | DusteD: we don't suggest that here because it induces breakage |
| 00:55.09 | DusteD | simonlnu, and what would you break in the specific case? |
| 00:55.39 | jordanm | technologov: also, VESA has limits on resolution. it can't display 1920x1200 |
| 00:55.41 | simonlnu | one third of the x libs, for example |
| 00:55.51 | DusteD | also, any normal use of any debian system will induce breakage over time, and chances are, if he needs gfx drivers he's not planning on running his system the next 200 years without reinstalling |
| 00:55.56 | simonlnu | and if you have opengl instealled, all of that too |
| 00:56.01 | simonlnu | installed* |
| 00:56.26 | simonlnu | DusteD: he barely knows which one to get, he's not going to figure that out in 10 minutes |
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| 00:56.35 | DusteD | that is true |
| 00:56.58 | waa_programmer | great |
| 00:57.04 | simonlnu | the factoids give enough info *to* figure it out, otherwise they can ask us |
| 00:57.25 | DusteD | waa_programmer, look at your gfx card, or type lspci |
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| 00:57.49 | waa_programmer | but nvidia dkms packages doesn't work |
| 00:57.58 | waa_programmer | i have been installed one by one |
| 00:58.01 | simonlnu | !doesn't work |
| 00:58.01 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 00:58.50 | waa_programmer | all times I'm gettings vesa errors - no modes found |
| 00:59.05 | waa_programmer | reboot, uninstall, install next one - same |
| 00:59.15 | simonlnu | reboot? |
| 00:59.16 | DusteD | waa_programmer, vesa errors from installing nvidia drivers? did you configure X correctly ? |
| 00:59.26 | waa_programmer | i didn't touch it |
| 00:59.35 | waa_programmer | i haven't xorg |
| 00:59.36 | DusteD | then I'd not expect it to work very well |
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| 00:59.46 | DusteD | no X ? then why do you even want drivers? |
| 00:59.50 | waa_programmer | but I have created it week ago |
| 00:59.52 | simonlnu | how about a log file? /var/log/Xorg.X.log |
| 00:59.59 | waa_programmer | with nvidia driever entry |
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| 01:00.02 | simonlnu | X being a number |
| 01:00.02 | waa_programmer | the same |
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| 01:00.17 | waa_programmer | i haven't xorg.conf |
| 01:00.34 | simonlnu | you don't always need one. and please re-read the factoid |
| 01:00.46 | simonlnu | !nvidia |
| 01:00.46 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 01:01.13 | simonlnu | !tell waa_programmer -about nvidia dkms |
| 01:01.24 | Marge | hello I'm looking for linux mint channel any clue? |
| 01:01.25 | DusteD | you don't have xorg ? |
| 01:01.34 | simonlnu | the things in <> are more information |
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| 01:02.16 | waa_programmer | well, easier is download driver from nvidia and build it :| |
| 01:02.38 | waa_programmer | DusteD: i mean't xorg.conf |
| 01:02.54 | simonlnu | do what you like, but you'll need to go ask the people in #nvidia for help if you get problems |
| 01:03.28 | DusteD | or #linux they sometimes don't care if you break debian package system :P |
| 01:03.43 | DusteD | (they do however care if you call their ISP a nazi) |
| 01:04.01 | Marge | I have a problem with my external hard disk and after having used test disk and created an image in *.dd extension now I don't know what to do. Can u help me please? |
| 01:04.17 | simonlnu | DusteD: what, bluehost? only one that comes to mind like that. |
| 01:04.24 | Marge | is there a way to see what is in it? |
| 01:04.48 | DusteD | Marge, here is all the help you need right now: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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| 01:05.46 | DusteD | simonlnu, some dude told someone who was trying to setup a webserver that "most ISP's blocks port 80" and "don't allow people to run servers", which I pointed out, were only true for nazi isp's, which caused him to accuse me of being racist |
| 01:06.00 | DusteD | upon asking how calling an isp a nazi makes me a racist, I was kicked :D |
| 01:06.04 | simonlnu | racist? wtf? |
| 01:06.08 | DusteD | I loved that.. :D |
| 01:06.09 | Marge | So tell me DusteD isn't your mother fucking right now with some neighbour bulls? |
| 01:06.43 | DusteD | Marge, yes, she is, would you like to buy the video? |
| 01:06.44 | simonlnu | Marge: kindly refrain from trying to insult the help |
| 01:07.19 | Marge | DusteD: You don't have a clue of what I'm going through and your answer is the last that I need right now so please leave me alone... |
| 01:07.25 | DusteD | Marge, in short, your question made no sense, and until you're able to ask it in a coherent way, we can't help you. |
| 01:07.40 | DusteD | Marge, exactly, I have no clue, and I can't help you before you give me one. |
| 01:08.03 | JQuazar | Marge, what do you mean created a *.dd? |
| 01:08.10 | simonlnu | Marge: we don't know what "testdisk" is, there's a number of utils with that name. we don't know what you did, you need to explain more. it's not meant as a personal affront. |
| 01:08.14 | Marge | I'm sorry Dusted, it's just that I am a bit tired... |
| 01:08.17 | Capso | !chrome |
| 01:08.18 | dpkg | hmm... chrome is Mozilla's term for a theme or skin, or "Google Chrome", a web browser by Google based on Chromium, ask me about <chromium>. |
| 01:08.29 | Capso | !chromium |
| 01:08.29 | dpkg | Chromium is an open source web browser produced by Google, based on WebKit. Google Chrome is based on Chromium. Packaged as chromium-browser in squeeze, chromium in wheezy. http://wiki.debian.org/Chromium http://www.chromium.org/Home #chromium-support on irc.freenode.net. For the game formerly known as Chromium, ask me about <chromium-bsu>. |
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| 01:08.57 | Marge | Test Disk it's an open source program to recover dat from disks with problems in the file system |
| 01:09.00 | Capso | no info about Google's Chrome? |
| 01:09.03 | JQuazar | DusteD what's that rule about bringing up Hitler in an argumetn? you know the one |
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| 01:09.22 | DusteD | JQuazar, yeah, I know, I guess I won a free internet when I got kicked there :P |
| 01:09.27 | JQuazar | http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk ?? |
| 01:09.36 | JQuazar | hahaha |
| 01:10.05 | DusteD | Marge, my guess is that the program did a "dd" on the disk, made a (more or less) raw copy of the data to an image file on another disk, is that correct ? |
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| 01:10.26 | Marge | that's correct DusteD |
| 01:10.31 | simonlnu | Capso: it's not even in debian. chromium is. doing what did isn't exactly straightforward. |
| 01:10.35 | DusteD | Marge, and now you'd like to recover data from this file? |
| 01:10.37 | simonlnu | what you* |
| 01:10.49 | Marge | yes please, a lot of stuff 128 Gb |
| 01:11.01 | DusteD | Do you know which filesystem you had on there? |
| 01:11.09 | simonlnu | Marge: you can dd that back to a same sized drive. exact details escape me. |
| 01:11.09 | Marge | no idea |
| 01:11.38 | DusteD | simonlnu, if it was actually dd, the image could be corrupted |
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| 01:11.44 | DusteD | I'd try to mount the file on a loopback device, and then mount the loopback device |
| 01:11.51 | simonlnu | we're guessing it's dd |
| 01:11.57 | DusteD | losetup -f diskimage.dd |
| 01:12.23 | DusteD | and either mount /dev/loop0 or even cfdisk /dev/loop0 (to see which kind of filesystem is on there, assuming it's not corrupted) |
| 01:13.06 | Marge | all right, just a second now I'm on a windows os but my other computer has linux mint...so if you are patient 5 minutes I'll be right here with linux all right DusteD ? |
| 01:13.19 | DusteD | Marge, |
| 01:13.29 | DusteD | there are way better data-recovery tools for windows |
| 01:13.51 | Marge | ok |
| 01:13.59 | Marge | so what do you suggest |
| 01:14.07 | DusteD | Is the usb drive dead? |
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| 01:14.20 | NotJimCarrey | anybody knowledgeable on qemu? trying to setup an arm debian vm and it's saying "this qemu binary lacks hda support", even though I conpletely removed the sound device in the vm details |
| 01:14.20 | simonlnu | carry on kids ;) |
| 01:14.24 | DusteD | Actually, start from the beginning by telling us what this is all about ? :) |
| 01:14.28 | Marge | no isn't the hardware is intact |
| 01:14.44 | Marge | it's just corrupted by obscure reasons |
| 01:14.51 | Marge | file system |
| 01:14.53 | Marge | etc.. |
| 01:15.14 | DusteD | Are you able to read ANY files from it? |
| 01:15.19 | Marge | nope |
| 01:15.31 | Marge | I can't even see the icon |
| 01:15.44 | DusteD | Ah, not even the drive icon ? |
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| 01:16.05 | Marge | I've got all kind of softwares |
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| 01:16.53 | Marge | tried nearly everything, read everything, done nothing... |
| 01:16.55 | DusteD | If you go to computer administration > disk manager, are you able to see the disk/partition there? |
| 01:17.07 | Marge | how do i do that |
| 01:17.14 | DusteD | windows xp ? |
| 01:17.18 | Marge | yes |
| 01:17.26 | Marge | type something on run |
| 01:17.28 | DusteD | rightclick on "computer" and "manage" |
| 01:17.43 | handygandy | What happpened ot the rcX.d directories? |
| 01:18.03 | Marge | and.. |
| 01:18.16 | DusteD | there should be somethingg like "disk manager" |
| 01:18.32 | DusteD | but, you should take this to a windows channel |
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| 01:18.57 | simonlnu | handygandy: in /etc/ |
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| 01:19.01 | DusteD | still, my guess is that the filesystem on your usb disk is ntfs and windows tools would help you more, but I don't kknow a lot about this |
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| 01:19.43 | handygandy | simonlnu I don't see them. |
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| 01:19.52 | DusteD | handygandy, fresh install? |
| 01:20.24 | Marge | well I can't see what it is |
| 01:20.49 | Marge | my idea was to have the image safe somewhere and format |
| 01:20.56 | handygandy | DusteD: No. |
| 01:20.58 | Marge | and then reinstall it |
| 01:21.08 | Marge | in the same hard drive |
| 01:21.16 | Marge | it's that possible |
| 01:21.17 | Marge | ? |
| 01:21.28 | Marge | or I'll copy the error |
| 01:21.32 | Marge | probably... |
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| 01:21.36 | Marge | :( |
| 01:22.05 | DusteD | Marge, it's an usb drive, and you have the image on your "normal" harddisk? |
| 01:22.18 | Marge | sorry i'll explain better |
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| 01:22.42 | Marge | first hard drive connected to the windows laptop is the one that doesn't work |
| 01:22.51 | Marge | and it's 128 Gb more or less |
| 01:22.55 | simonlnu | handygandy: ls -ld /etc/rc*.d/ |
| 01:23.02 | DusteD | how is it connected ? |
| 01:23.17 | Marge | and I have the second hard disk which is 750 Gb |
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| 01:23.33 | Marge | and it is in there that I have the image copied |
| 01:23.54 | Marge | of the not-working hard disk |
| 01:24.01 | Marge | so |
| 01:24.15 | Marge | it took 270 minutes to copy iy |
| 01:24.17 | Marge | it |
| 01:25.17 | Marge | I used Test Disk |
| 01:25.45 | Marge | to do it, written by Cristophe Grenier |
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| 01:26.45 | DusteD | I don't mean to sound arrogant, but I think you'd be better off paying some geek you know to pull out your data for you |
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| 01:27.25 | Marge | ok have a good night |
| 01:27.29 | Marge | or day |
| 01:28.07 | DusteD | or go to bed and start fresh tomorrow, you're not a clear image of exactly how things are setup and what's been done and not, so it's too easy to give you the wrong advice, and good night to you too :) |
| 01:28.08 | DusteD | do'h |
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| 01:31.37 | JQuazar | is paying Seagate to recover a drive right now... I think UPS has it |
| 01:31.42 | JQuazar | what a bastard |
| 01:31.50 | hanasaki | is either grml or debianlive endorsed ? considered "official" by debian? |
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| 01:32.25 | linux_probe | someone has deep pockets ehh |
| 01:33.38 | DusteD | does not believe in data recovery and have triple redundancy geographically seperated |
| 01:34.03 | DusteD | also does not have any spellchecker in his IRC client |
| 01:34.08 | technologov | hanasaki, debian-live DVDs are official. |
| 01:34.16 | hanasaki | DusteD: even raid and a backup usb drive is better than paying for recovery |
| 01:34.34 | technologov | grml is not |
| 01:34.48 | DusteD | hanasaki, yes, raid is nice, and a "usually offline and safely stored" usb disk |
| 01:35.17 | hanasaki | thanks technologov / any thoughts on pro/con of grml vs debianlive? since you can install from an iso boot and also a debian live CD booted locally, why use the installer only CD? |
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| 01:35.41 | DusteD | before getting the other servers I had two offline usb disks, and did backups on the seperately, because I was sure that my luck would have a lightning strike when doing backup to usb and kill all connected disks |
| 01:35.48 | hanasaki | DusteD: I use mdadm and software mirroring on two 1TB disks - low cost |
| 01:35.52 | DusteD | I'm a paranoid bastard |
| 01:36.02 | technologov | hanasaki, installer-only CD has much more packages. |
| 01:36.18 | technologov | I have not tried grml, so dunno it's quality. |
| 01:36.25 | DusteD | I also use software raid (md) and raid6, it's very nice, and you never need to worry that you won't be able to get the same brand/firmware raid-controller, because it's software :) |
| 01:36.29 | hanasaki | DusteD: I knew a guy that had 4 x 1TB mirrored 1-1 and then mirroed that mirror |
| 01:36.38 | DusteD | damn :D |
| 01:37.05 | DusteD | I'm kind of paranoid about bit-flipping though, raid does nothing for integrity |
| 01:37.15 | linux_probe | >_> stupidity at it;s finest |
| 01:37.22 | hanasaki | DusteD: I have had the same concern about hardware raid... the performance can be better though. |
| 01:37.36 | hanasaki | lol right on linux_probe: |
| 01:37.52 | DusteD | linux_probe, :P |
| 01:38.08 | hanasaki | DusteD: raid 5 or 6 for a server yes... for a desktop single failure tolerance mirroring is good enough for me |
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| 01:38.41 | DusteD | I like 6 because it can handle 2 random disks die, while raid5 can only handle 1 |
| 01:38.44 | hanasaki | DusteD: one nice thing about hardware raid is not worrying about /boot on a raid partition or having it alone |
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| 01:38.56 | hanasaki | DusteD: what do you use to manage the raid? |
| 01:39.01 | DusteD | and I'm sure, with my luck, the resyncing will trash another of the old disks :D |
| 01:39.04 | DusteD | mdadm :) |
| 01:39.20 | hanasaki | hehe |
| 01:39.28 | hanasaki | buy that usb disk :) |
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| 01:59.38 | hanasaki | the debian live 6.0.3 386 iso is failing to boot in live mode to X - it gets as far as a command prompt - has anyone booted it ok? can someone try booting it on a vga kvm instance? this is what is failing. |
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| 02:00.13 | nezZario | Help! :) .. trying to dual boot xp and debian on squeeze, and it's surely not working |
| 02:01.07 | nezZario | i have 2 hdd's, this is an older PC so were talking IDE hd's here, .. the primary has debian & the secondary has a plain xp install on it (both hd's have bootloaders, primary/debian being grub2 and the secondary/xp being whatever xp uses) |
| 02:01.38 | nezZario | i have something like root=hd(1,0) which just says NTLDR missing |
| 02:02.42 | hanasaki | nezZario: I did something like that with the old grub sometime ago.... try searching for chain loading... is the debian booting?> |
| 02:03.04 | nezZario | yeah debian boots fine |
| 02:03.18 | nezZario | if I unplug the debian disk, xp boots fine with whatever ms bootloader |
| 02:03.21 | hanasaki | does xp boot if it's the primary / only disk? |
| 02:03.26 | nezZario | ^^ yes |
| 02:03.33 | hanasaki | yep... search for chaining and grub |
| 02:03.46 | nezZario | i have chainloader +1 in there, but i'll try to understand what it actually means |
| 02:03.58 | babilen | nezZario: Make sure os-prober is installed and run "update-grub" -- That should configure an entry in grubs menu for Windows |
| 02:04.24 | nezZario | i got os-prober but it seemingly did nothing (but I also was running update-grub2 since afaik i'm running grub2) |
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| 02:06.07 | babilen | same thing |
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| 02:06.33 | nezZario | i'm not educated on the finer points of linux yet.. |
| 02:06.37 | nezZario | i'm a bsd convert.. |
| 02:07.47 | nezZario | looks like since winxp is the secondary drive it needs some finer tuning |
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| 02:09.15 | handygandy | I want to say that I'm confused, but for the most part I know what's the situation. I'm more uninformed. Apparently somehow a package named file-rc got installed and replaced sysv-rc. Is this some kind of evolution of debian to move over to this? Should I avboid changing back to sysv-rc? |
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| 02:10.21 | babilen | handygandy: How was it installed? |
| 02:10.30 | simonlnu | handygandy: oh, that. dunno, first time i've heard file-rc being installed without someone's knowledge... it's not hard to go back to sysv style. |
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| 02:11.49 | handygandy | babilen: I have no idea. Something in my system is corrupt and I'm investigating and discover this. Best I guess is that it was installed last upgrade. Or by some package that wanted it. |
| 02:11.53 | simonlnu | there's systemd, sysv, file-rc, upstart. hm, isn't there a fifth one? |
| 02:12.17 | simonlnu | handygandy: i seriously doubt package requested that. |
| 02:12.21 | simonlnu | a package* |
| 02:12.59 | babilen | handygandy: It really shouldn't have been installed automagically. What does "aptitude why file-rc" give you? What can you find about it in the logs? You can, as already noted, easily go back to sysv-rc |
| 02:13.15 | handygandy | simonlnu: Which one is the default system on a fresh testing install? |
| 02:13.21 | babilen | sysv |
| 02:13.25 | simonlnu | used to run file-rc for a long time |
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| 02:13.32 | simonlnu | sysv, like he said |
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| 02:14.43 | simonlnu | ,info sysv-rc --release wheezy |
| 02:14.45 | judd | Package sysv-rc (admin, required) in wheezy/i386: System-V-like runlevel change mechanism. Version: 2.88dsf-13.13; Size: 77.0k; Installed: 130k; Homepage: http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/sysvinit |
| 02:15.29 | simonlnu | ,info file-rc --release wheezy |
| 02:15.32 | judd | Package file-rc (admin, extra) in wheezy/i386: Alternative boot mechanism using a single configuration file. Version: 0.8.12; Size: 38.3k; Installed: 180k |
| 02:15.36 | LordTrev | I am on a ancient laptop, and the disk drive isn't being detected by the installer.....how can I find out what I need and get it working? |
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| 02:16.59 | simonlnu | describe "ancient" |
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| 02:17.12 | babilen | Pre 1995? :-þ |
| 02:17.23 | simonlnu | hehe |
| 02:17.51 | LordTrev | Compaq armada, 120mhz processor and 80mb of ram |
| 02:17.52 | handygandy | babilen: I'm niot familar with "aptitude why", all it says is "i sysvinit PreDepends sysv-rc | file-rc" |
| 02:18.01 | LordTrev | Has a floppy drive but no usb ports |
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| 02:18.20 | simonlnu | LordTrev: and the installer started on that? :) |
| 02:18.52 | LordTrev | Yep.....and it doesn't support a network install so that's not an option... |
| 02:18.53 | simonlnu | i'd start with woody, then work my way up to squeeze, personally. |
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| 02:19.04 | simonlnu | cd? |
| 02:19.08 | babilen | handygandy: Ok, that essentiallt means that the sysvinit package wants either sysv-rc or file-rc and that file-rc currently satisfies that dependency. Just switch back to sysv if you want that. You should find further information in your logs (aptitude/dpkg.log/...) |
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| 02:21.41 | simonlnu | fetch full cd, or floppies, (former you can start with squeeze, if you have a cd, which you didn't answer yet) latter start with woody. full cd won't need network. |
| 02:22.24 | simonlnu | something like that hdd, is likely just a modprobe away... |
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| 02:26.52 | simonlnu | or, you can just ignore me ;p |
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| 02:27.22 | LordTrev | Okay, found a way to install Debian from floppies....this is gonna be fun |
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| 02:30.40 | streuner_ | installing from floppies is always a real PITA, that was in the past so and nowadays its even more true :-) |
| 02:31.23 | bocaneri | I remember spending an entire weekend installing OS/2 on a 386 from floppies. |
| 02:31.36 | bocaneri | FIFTY of the little mofos, as I recall. |
| 02:31.45 | simonlnu | how many? 100? heh |
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| 02:32.22 | streuner_ | 10 for base and 20 for X (SLS) |
| 02:32.28 | LordTrev | Thankfully with net install I only need four floppies |
| 02:32.51 | bocaneri | And not one after the other in sequence, either. You'd have to re-insert floppies 6, 7, and 10 before putting floppy 18 back in, get to floppy 21, have to re-insert floppies 4 and 5.... :sigh: |
| 02:33.06 | simonlnu | wtf |
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| 02:33.43 | bocaneri | That's what I said. RH 6.mumble was a lot better, I think it was some fifteen floppies and you put them all in one after the other and THEN did all your "please wait..." thing. |
| 02:34.45 | technologov | Well, if we look carefully... we find out that Squeeze ships on 52 CDs ! (amd64) |
| 02:35.00 | simonlnu | that's a little saner... i can see potential issues, but time savings would offset that somewhat. |
| 02:35.04 | technologov | speaking about floppies... ^^ |
| 02:35.14 | simonlnu | technologov: yes. |
| 02:35.38 | mape | Hi, I'm having some issues with my system after an update where I believe I screwed up my sources file. Right now I can't install anything because linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 needs to be reinstalled. But when i try to re install it I get stuck on "Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub" |
| 02:35.56 | mape | Is this a common issue people without a clue get themselves into? |
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| 02:36.14 | simonlnu | breakage? yes. |
| 02:36.21 | tensorpudding | it's been a long time since you could install debian from a reasonable number of floppies |
| 02:36.38 | mape | Hehe meant this one more specificly, but yeah, along those lines |
| 02:36.43 | simonlnu | *cough* woody *cough* |
| 02:37.01 | tensorpudding | how many floppies was woody? |
| 02:37.09 | simonlnu | 4 netinst ;p |
| 02:37.12 | technologov | installed woody in VirtualBox recently |
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| 02:37.18 | tensorpudding | i installed potato for fun from something like twenty |
| 02:37.33 | streuner_ | good old times :-P |
| 02:37.54 | streuner_ | acting like a DJ with fun :-) |
| 02:37.56 | tensorpudding | conversely, the earlier version of debian i could find took only like four |
| 02:38.10 | simonlnu | i can't remember how i installed potato the second time (i tried twice, first time on an m68040) |
| 02:38.39 | tensorpudding | earliest* |
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| 02:38.47 | tensorpudding | 0.9 |
| 02:38.50 | simonlnu | i ran out of patience on the '040 |
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| 02:39.24 | simonlnu | next morning, it was still unpacking stuff, ad configuring it |
| 02:39.25 | tensorpudding | one for the kernel, two for the install |
| 02:39.28 | simonlnu | and |
| 02:39.42 | tensorpudding | oh, that fourth one is for lilo |
| 02:39.43 | technologov | ancient Linux systems require ancient NICs, such as NE2000... but what is NE 2000 ? Realtek 8029 chip ? |
| 02:39.48 | tensorpudding | that was after the install i think |
| 02:40.08 | simonlnu | ne2k |
| 02:40.14 | simonlnu | !ne2k |
| 02:40.14 | dpkg | The NE1000/NE2000 is a line of Ethernet network cards. <ISA> variants are supported in Linux by the ne driver; NE2000 diagnostics and EEPROM setup is available using ne2k-diag (nictools-nopci package), for Plug and Play versions, see also <pnp>. PCI variants are supported using the ne2k-pci driver, diagnostics and EEPROM setup is available using ne2k-pci-diag (nictools-pci package). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NE2000 |
| 02:40.33 | simonlnu | omg, still there |
| 02:40.39 | simonlnu | !factinfo ne2k |
| 02:40.39 | dpkg | ne2k -- last modified at Thu Jan 20 06:02:50 2011 by gsimmons!~gsimmons@chmmr.gsimmons.org; it has been requested 5 times, last by simonlnu, 25s ago. |
| 02:41.06 | tensorpudding | debian 0.9 is really spartan |
| 02:41.24 | tensorpudding | the base is, i mean |
| 02:41.39 | simonlnu | you're spoiled from recent releases ;p |
| 02:41.43 | linux_probe | novel cards yummy |
| 02:41.57 | linux_probe | there was many NE2000 compatibles |
| 02:41.58 | tensorpudding | df says that 7840 kb is used |
| 02:42.02 | technologov | heh... |
| 02:42.33 | simonlnu | tensorpudding: out of 20 mb ? :P |
| 02:42.35 | mape | If my initrd.img-2.6.26-2-amd64 is gone, is there any way I can download it or does it have to be generated? |
| 02:42.42 | technologov | it's shocking to know that both Novell and AMD produced network cards in those times |
| 02:42.47 | tensorpudding | i guess that's a lot compared to the fact that you could run xenix, ms-dos 3, cp/m et. al. off of a < 1 mb floppy |
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| 02:43.01 | tensorpudding | simonlnu, something like that |
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| 02:43.14 | simonlnu | mape: could try update-initramfs -k all -u |
| 02:43.15 | tensorpudding | back then, you couldn't have partitions that were very large |
| 02:43.22 | simonlnu | yep |
| 02:43.24 | tensorpudding | mke2fs failed on a 100M parittion |
| 02:44.22 | simonlnu | mape: man that for more options and stuff |
| 02:44.27 | tensorpudding | not sure what the limit is exactly, but this one has 72k 1024 blocks |
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| 02:45.44 | simonlnu | aah the memories.. |
| 02:45.45 | Scriven | I'm having a JFS problem, fsck.jfs keeps crashing trying to fix a busted file system. fsck.jfs version 1.1.15, 04-Mar-2011 |
| 02:45.47 | tensorpudding | Linux acorn.debian.org 0.99.14w #1 Fri Jan 28 21:45:47 EST 1994 i586 |
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| 02:46.35 | simonlnu | tensorpudding: hehe |
| 02:46.49 | tensorpudding | it's using less RAM than my IRC client |
| 02:47.09 | tensorpudding | hmm |
| 02:47.29 | simonlnu | Scriven: tried forcing it? the journal i mean. jfs fsck is picky about relying on the journal |
| 02:47.29 | tensorpudding | i have an actual system that is apparently running debian that i dragged out last week for the first time since 2006 |
| 02:47.53 | tensorpudding | the system is from 1997 |
| 02:48.01 | simonlnu | wow |
| 02:48.16 | tensorpudding | the debian is woody |
| 02:48.17 | Scriven | simonlnu, yeah, crashes in the same place. |
| 02:48.22 | tensorpudding | and doesn't work too well |
| 02:48.27 | mape | simonlnu: thanks that seemdes to work fine, it still hangs on update-grub though |
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| 02:48.54 | simonlnu | mape: where at? |
| 02:48.59 | Scriven | hrm, maybe not exactly the same place, but very close. |
| 02:49.26 | simonlnu | Scriven: replayed the log before you fscked it? how about mount, then mounting it? |
| 02:49.37 | Scriven | sudo fsck.jfs -fav /dev/sdg1 is how I forced it, hopefully that's correct. |
| 02:49.38 | mape | simonlnu: when I try to "dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64_2.6.26-27_amd64.deb" then hangs on "Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub" -> "User postrm hook script [/sbin/update-grub] died with signal 2, without coredump" |
| 02:49.42 | simonlnu | er, second mount should be "umount" |
| 02:49.46 | simonlnu | Scriven: ^^^ |
| 02:50.27 | simonlnu | mape: sh -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64.postinst and pastebin that |
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| 02:51.06 | mape | simonlnu: https://gist.github.com/b2dc44ae39323bb14dee |
| 02:52.05 | simonlnu | haha, it's a fricking perl script |
| 02:52.27 | simonlnu | that'll learn meh |
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| 02:53.15 | mape | so run as perl instead? |
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| 02:53.29 | Scriven | simonlnu, won't mount because of filesystem problems. |
| 02:53.31 | simonlnu | yeh |
| 02:53.43 | mape | running it as perl renders no output |
| 02:54.08 | simonlnu | mape: try dpkg -i again |
| 02:54.47 | simonlnu | Scriven: i've forgotten a lot of my "jfs-fu", but there might be a way to get around or fix it lower level |
| 02:55.03 | simonlnu | using of the jfs tools |
| 02:55.27 | Scriven | This was a problem that was reportedly fixed in one of the newer versions, so I updated to testing's version (was running stable), but it still dies. |
| 02:55.28 | mape | simonlnu: still the same output as before |
| 02:55.31 | simonlnu | s,on,one, |
| 02:55.35 | Scriven | segfault checking it's own damned FS... that sucks. |
| 02:56.08 | simonlnu | oh yeh. what version is that? |
| 02:56.24 | simonlnu | *lightbulb* |
| 02:56.36 | Scriven | 1.1.15 I have installed now. |
| 02:56.54 | Scriven | $ fsck.jfs -V fsck.jfs version 1.1.15, 04-Mar-2011 |
| 02:57.05 | simonlnu | the fsck command segfaulted? |
| 02:57.11 | simonlnu | ok nm |
| 02:57.19 | Scriven | yes |
| 02:57.36 | Scriven | fsck.jfs[20306]: segfault at b755fa1c ip 080504c1 sp bfbaf660 error 4 in fsck.jfs[8048000+39000] |
| 02:57.42 | simonlnu | can you fsck other partitions successfully? |
| 02:57.53 | Scriven | yes |
| 02:58.09 | Scriven | no other ones are currently b0rked. |
| 02:58.14 | simonlnu | yup, sounds like something more low level is in order |
| 02:58.31 | simonlnu | it's probably like *1* little block or such... |
| 02:58.41 | Scriven | isn't that what fsck is for? |
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| 02:59.01 | mape | simonlnu: https://gist.github.com/986110cb0c672a9e35a2 that is how all the steps look |
| 02:59.05 | simonlnu | yes, but there's other stuff you can do when that fails |
| 02:59.56 | Scriven | ok, never had to do that kind of 'stuff' before, fortunately I suppose. |
| 02:59.56 | simonlnu | mape: why do you keep ^C it? |
| 03:00.19 | mape | simonlnu: because it stays there for hours if I don't |
| 03:00.33 | simonlnu | Scriven: google can help, sorry to say, but like i said, i've forgotten a lot of my "jfs-fu" |
| 03:00.55 | Scriven | google hasn't been helping for 2 days I'm afraid, I came in here hoping for someone with more hands-on experience. |
| 03:01.28 | simonlnu | mape: run dpkg with debug on, and see what happens. |
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| 03:01.57 | Scriven | thanks for the help simonlnu. |
| 03:01.57 | simonlnu | Scriven: i'm trying to remember it as we speak ;) |
| 03:01.57 | tensorpudding | the system is unusable |
| 03:02.13 | simonlnu | tensorpudding: your little box there? |
| 03:02.17 | tensorpudding | i can't type the password to login because the screen keeps getting stuck on gdm to start |
| 03:02.31 | simonlnu | oh. init=/bin/bash ;p |
| 03:02.37 | tensorpudding | it won't stop trying |
| 03:03.21 | mape | simonlnu: how verbose? |
| 03:03.32 | simonlnu | Scriven: jfs_debugfs |
| 03:04.06 | simonlnu | mape: as much as possible, but not too high. want to trace what's on, but not overwhelmly so |
| 03:04.06 | tensorpudding | ugh |
| 03:04.13 | tensorpudding | stupid gdm |
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| 03:04.22 | Scriven | simonlnu, ok, never heard of it, will google. |
| 03:04.31 | simonlnu | Scriven: it's in the package |
| 03:04.50 | Scriven | yeah, I'm running it but have never used it. |
| 03:04.55 | simonlnu | ok |
| 03:06.01 | tensorpudding | it says that it's a read-only filesystem |
| 03:06.03 | tensorpudding | but that's a lie |
| 03:06.07 | tensorpudding | mount says it's read-write |
| 03:06.19 | simonlnu | cat /proc/mounts |
| 03:06.21 | tensorpudding | how do i remount? |
| 03:06.31 | simonlnu | mount -o remount,rw |
| 03:06.45 | tensorpudding | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.55 | simonlnu | mount -n /proc |
| 03:07.38 | lcafiero | Hey, was anyone here either giving the #! presentation or at the WNCLUG meeting in Asheville, North Carolina today? |
| 03:07.43 | tensorpudding | this might predate /proc |
| 03:08.11 | simonlnu | hm, possibly. mount proc proc /proc. but check if it has a /proc first ;p |
| 03:08.15 | mape | simonlnu: hmm even with --debug=2000 (tried --debug 2000) which should be "Insane amounts of drivel" according to man I still get the same output |
| 03:08.22 | simonlnu | er, mount -t proc proc /proc rather |
| 03:08.23 | lcafiero | notices he's in the wrong channe. |
| 03:08.29 | lcafiero | channel -- sorry. |
| 03:08.43 | tensorpudding | darn it |
| 03:08.48 | tensorpudding | got to run fsck again |
| 03:08.59 | simonlnu | mape: iirc it's something like -D2000 or similar |
| 03:09.13 | simonlnu | though it's probably the same... |
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| 03:13.39 | mape | simonlnu: yeah seems to be the same. |
| 03:13.44 | simonlnu | mape: wait, are /proc and /sys mounted? |
| 03:14.07 | mape | yeah I can ls them fine |
| 03:14.17 | simonlnu | ok, just checking |
| 03:14.45 | Scriven | OK... very strange... I replayed journal only again, then forced it, and it freaking worked. |
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| 03:14.57 | mape | (its squeeze/sid btw if that makes any difference) |
| 03:14.58 | Scriven | thanks for the inspiration simonlnu, I'm rescuing files from it was we speak. lol |
| 03:15.11 | simonlnu | Scriven: woot |
| 03:15.13 | simonlnu | np |
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| 03:16.06 | simonlnu | mape: squeeze sid? |
| 03:16.24 | belak | Is there a good way to migrate users and passwords from another distro? |
| 03:16.24 | simonlnu | what does that mean? |
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| 03:16.57 | simonlnu | belak: cp /etc/passwd ? you might need to modify their UIDs if it's an RH-based distro. |
| 03:17.06 | mape | simonlnu: cat /etc/debian_version gives squeeze/sid |
| 03:17.14 | simonlnu | belak: (and /etc/shadow, etc.) |
| 03:17.42 | simonlnu | mape: weird |
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| 03:18.07 | pksadiq | mape: cat /etc/issue ? |
| 03:18.19 | mape | Debian GNU/Linux squeeze/sid \n \l |
| 03:18.23 | technologov | squeeze/sid = this distro is not updated for ages (it is a BETA of 6.0) |
| 03:18.24 | simonlnu | mape: just so i get unconfused, could you tell me what dpkg -l libc6 is? |
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| 03:18.57 | mape | simonlnu: https://gist.github.com/d999da596dbe084e6c60 |
| 03:19.32 | tensorpudding | huh, the floppy i have does not seem to work at all |
| 03:19.35 | mape | hehe, so I'm in a bad spot? |
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| 03:21.28 | lostpass | how to recover / bruteforce partially lost LUKS password? Changed it few days back, remember most of it but without last word and not sure about exact pattern of words before but more-or-less |
| 03:21.49 | simonlnu | mape: oh you could have just pasted the one relevant line =) |
| 03:22.10 | simonlnu | ,info libc6 |
| 03:22.11 | judd | Package libc6 (libs, required) in squeeze/i386: Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries. Version: 2.11.2-10; Size: 3790.4k; Installed: 9356k; Homepage: http://www.eglibc.org |
| 03:22.23 | mape | simonlnu: yup, but since I lack the knowledge I figured I'd might as well paste it all so I didn't miss anything |
| 03:22.26 | lostpass | already written bash script to batch-test possible candidates from text file, but what program would be good to generate list of possible passwords from some sort of pattern of what the pass was like? |
| 03:22.30 | mape | not sure what is relevant |
| 03:22.31 | simonlnu | mape: that should be wheezy not squeeze |
| 03:22.40 | Guest86735 | bug |
| 03:22.48 | simonlnu | ,info libc6 --release=wheezy |
| 03:22.50 | judd | Package libc6 (libs, required) in wheezy/i386: Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries. Version: 2.13-24; Size: 3818.2k; Installed: 8494k; Homepage: http://www.eglibc.org |
| 03:22.59 | simonlnu | yup, wheezy/sid |
| 03:23.04 | simonlnu | ,info libc6 --release=sid |
| 03:23.05 | judd | Package libc6 (libs, required) in sid/i386: Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries. Version: 2.13-24; Size: 3818.2k; Installed: 8494k; Homepage: http://www.eglibc.org |
| 03:23.18 | mape | so I've messed up the packages sources and installed the wrong ones? |
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| 03:24.37 | simonlnu | mape: well, seems messed up yes. what can help is fixing sources.list (wheezy, not squeeze nor sid), then updating. fetching wheezy's version of the package (which will be something like 2.6.39 or 3.x) |
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| 03:25.31 | simonlnu | mape: first, make sure everything is fixed first. proper versions etc. |
| 03:25.58 | simonlnu | mape: avoid using apt-get for this, use aptitude, it's better at this sort of fixing. |
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| 03:27.13 | mape | simonlnu: "everything is fixed" as in? |
| 03:28.35 | simonlnu | mape: when you'll be running aptitude, it won't have borken packages etc. as a first run, you could do "apt-get -f install" (don't recall the aptitude equivalent) |
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| 03:29.13 | mape | aptitude update && aptitude upgrade? or just update and try to install the kernel? |
| 03:29.16 | simonlnu | heh, same switch =) |
| 03:29.22 | simonlnu | update first |
| 03:29.31 | simonlnu | safe-upgrade |
| 03:29.52 | simonlnu | and don't install that kernel |
| 03:30.03 | simonlnu | *that particular* kernel, i mean |
| 03:31.04 | mape | well If I can get apt-get install to start working again so I can get zmq installed I'll be happy :P no need for new stuff it the old one works again |
| 03:31.37 | simonlnu | mape: well, thing is, you're already running testing (called wheezy right now) |
| 03:31.57 | mape | oh k |
| 03:32.02 | simonlnu | i'm just trying to get your system running unbroked |
| 03:32.15 | mape | I really appriciate you taking the time |
| 03:32.35 | simonlnu | (i spelled unbroken like that on purpose ;p) |
| 03:32.42 | mape | hehe |
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| 03:32.43 | forgotten | suuuure |
| 03:33.02 | simonlnu | forgotten: oh ok. i admit it, i meant to type unborked |
| 03:33.10 | forgotten | i knew it! :D |
| 03:33.18 | simonlnu | hehe |
| 03:33.31 | tensorpudding | i wonder if "floppy0: probe failed" is a problem with my disk or my drive |
| 03:33.46 | forgotten | prolly both |
| 03:33.48 | forgotten | cause its a floppy |
| 03:33.52 | simonlnu | i don't remember. yeh. |
| 03:34.01 | tensorpudding | this computer is old |
| 03:34.24 | tensorpudding | i only have this one floppy sitting around, i don't know what's on it |
| 03:34.34 | simonlnu | not older than me i'm sure |
| 03:34.43 | tensorpudding | probably not |
| 03:35.03 | tensorpudding | it's conceivable that a person as old as this computer could hang out on irc though |
| 03:35.12 | simonlnu | yup |
| 03:35.23 | tensorpudding | damn |
| 03:35.26 | tensorpudding | this thing has usb |
| 03:35.29 | forgotten | ! |
| 03:35.30 | tensorpudding | i would not have guessed |
| 03:35.33 | simonlnu | o_O |
| 03:35.40 | forgotten | see, no more floppy :) |
| 03:35.46 | pksadiq | simonlnu: what is the minimum partition size required to install the debian first DVD(stable/testing). need only gnome WM, |
| 03:35.54 | tensorpudding | the point was to try and read this floppy |
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| 03:36.04 | forgotten | lol oh |
| 03:36.07 | tensorpudding | that and experience the joys of old linux |
| 03:36.29 | lostpass | is there any existing tool |
| 03:36.36 | lostpass | to generate list of passwords based on pattern? |
| 03:36.37 | simonlnu | pksadiq: i don't know. i imagine around 2 gb would be sufficient for xorg, gnome2, and extra space |
| 03:37.05 | simonlnu | lostpass: maybe. there's a few password generators in debian |
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| 03:37.44 | pksadiq | simonlnu: so I beleive that debian will ask me to /not to install non-vital components, isnt it? also is there an option like install inside windows like ubuntu wubi? |
| 03:38.15 | simonlnu | pksadiq: i don't know wubi |
| 03:38.21 | forgotten | i highly doubt it, the install inside of windows part. |
| 03:38.35 | pksadiq | !wubi |
| 03:38.35 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 03:38.51 | lostpass | simonlnu: more actually, I forgot the password but I almost remember it... any tool to generate such a list, best sorted on probability (I can tell which subpatterns are less likelly and whcih more) |
| 03:39.05 | simonlnu | lostpass: dunno, sorry |
| 03:39.11 | forgotten | pksadiq: you can install anything inside of windows, with virtualbox. |
| 03:39.27 | pksadiq | simonlnu: hm, dpkg refuses to say ;). anyway can I install debian inside windows just like a software being installed? |
| 03:39.42 | simonlnu | what s/he said ^^^ |
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| 03:40.10 | pksadiq | forgotten: thats not what I mean, it installs just like a software, but the boot manages shows which to boot, either windows / GNU/Linux, its not virtual |
| 03:40.33 | simonlnu | a bootloader, like grub? |
| 03:40.45 | simonlnu | afk |
| 03:41.09 | pksadiq | simonlnu: yeah, mostprobably the windows boot manager itself, first it will load grub then the corresponding one from grub |
| 03:41.26 | forgotten | pksadiq: ok.... so ubuntu made a boot loader that recognizes windows... no way... thats crazy |
| 03:41.42 | mape | simonlnu: hehe, it resolved 51296 deps and then "E: I wasn't able to locate file for the linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package." |
| 03:42.39 | mape | its located in /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64_2.6.26-27_amd64.deb though so not sure why it can't find it |
| 03:42.59 | Sickness\ | can anyone explain to me why a ext2 LV partition has this: 876G (available) 72M (used) 831G (free) |
| 03:43.02 | simonlnu | mape: don't worry about it. just install a wheezy kernel |
| 03:43.20 | mape | simonlnu: I should have done that before the safe-upgrade? |
| 03:43.23 | simonlnu | mape: nce the new kernel is installed, and you reboot to it, purge that old one |
| 03:43.28 | simonlnu | once* |
| 03:43.33 | pksadiq | forgotten: I don't actually require it, but my friends need it, so I asked. My next upgrade is to debian, so my friends may not get support for their ubuntu from me(eventhough I'm a noob) ;) |
| 03:43.46 | Sickness\ | I seem to be missing 45gb? |
| 03:45.03 | forgotten | pksadiq: Gotcha. You can dual boot debian.. just a little differently. Install windows first, then install deb. |
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| 03:46.38 | tensorpudding | woo, debian 3 |
| 03:46.41 | tensorpudding | best debian |
| 03:47.21 | pksadiq | how long should I wait for wheezy to be stable? approx. |
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| 03:52.32 | tensorpudding | ugh, what the hell, i get the same error on my modern machine |
| 03:52.48 | tensorpudding | with a scavenged floppy drive |
| 03:52.53 | tensorpudding | maybe it is the disk? |
| 03:52.57 | mape | simonlnu: just seems like it is moment 22 right now, I can't install the kernel because that locks at boot, but I can't aptitude safe-upgrade if it isn't fixed |
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| 03:55.30 | NotJimCarrey | kernel-image-2.6.32-5-versatile-di is what i would use for qemu right? |
| 03:57.54 | simonlnu | mape: udev issue? |
| 03:58.26 | mape | not quite sure what you mean |
| 03:59.05 | mape | https://gist.github.com/538b42e687d20c265a3c |
| 03:59.37 | mape | that after running aptitude safe-upgrade |
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| 04:07.06 | simonlnu | mape: ok, purge that thing then |
| 04:07.45 | mape | aptitude --purge remove linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 ? |
| 04:09.01 | simonlnu | no just "purge pkgname" |
| 04:09.12 | simonlnu | there's no --purge with aptitude |
| 04:09.16 | zykotick9 | mape: just "aptitude purge foo" would work fine, it's apt-get that needs both the remove and purge |
| 04:09.21 | mape | get the same error when I do aptitude purge aptitude purge linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 04:09.22 | simonlnu | yup |
| 04:09.27 | mape | E: I wasn't able to locate file for the linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
| 04:09.35 | mape | force it somehow? |
| 04:09.57 | mape | em copy paste fail.. aptitude purge linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 |
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| 04:10.01 | simonlnu | mape: tell me what dpkg --get-selections | grep linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 04:10.07 | simonlnu | says |
| 04:10.25 | mape | linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 install |
| 04:10.39 | simonlnu | and with linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 04:10.58 | mape | linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 install |
| 04:11.16 | NotJimCarrey | where can i get a 3.2rc6 (or7) debian kernel image and initrd? |
| 04:11.20 | NotJimCarrey | for arm |
| 04:11.29 | simonlnu | echo "linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 purge" | dpkg --set-selections |
| 04:11.34 | simonlnu | do that mape |
| 04:11.45 | mape | done |
| 04:11.59 | simonlnu | ok, check it now, make sure it says purge |
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| 04:12.16 | mape | jup |
| 04:12.21 | mape | same with the other one? |
| 04:12.32 | simonlnu | NotJimCarrey: i don't think it's even packaged. might be in experimental |
| 04:12.47 | simonlnu | mape: don't bother. ok, try the safe-upgrade again |
| 04:12.56 | simonlnu | NotJimCarrey: if it is |
| 04:13.26 | NotJimCarrey | trying to setup a qemu image, and wanted to keep the kernel version the same as what i was developing for |
| 04:13.51 | simonlnu | mape: oh, yeh, do that for the other one, you're right |
| 04:14.24 | simonlnu | !experimental |
| 04:14.24 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 04:14.47 | simonlnu | NotJimCarrey: it is supported in #debian-next on OFTC |
| 04:15.02 | NotJimCarrey | k |
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| 04:15.14 | NotJimCarrey | well, i did find kernel-image-2.6.32-5-versatile-di, but can't find an initrd image |
| 04:15.16 | mape | simonlnu: ok |
| 04:15.33 | simonlnu | mape: the safe-upgrade might work then ;) |
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| 04:15.41 | mape | simonlnu: lets hope :P |
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| 04:16.01 | simonlnu | NotJimCarrey: yeh well that's not the same kerel anyway ;p |
| 04:16.06 | simonlnu | kernel* |
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| 04:17.31 | NotJimCarrey | i know |
| 04:18.22 | NotJimCarrey | nevermind, battery finally got enough juice to run. i was looking at the wrong section in git: it's currently running 2.6.27.57 |
| 04:18.33 | NotJimCarrey | now to just find a kernel and initrd image |
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| 04:19.11 | simonlnu | doh, heh. cool |
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| 04:22.11 | mape | simonlnu: same problem :/ I wasn't able to locate file for the linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
| 04:22.35 | mape | still state purge when I grep get-selection |
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| 04:23.03 | simonlnu | ffs... try doing dpkg -i --force-all thatfrickingpage |
| 04:23.10 | simonlnu | package* |
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| 04:23.41 | mape | here we go... |
| 04:24.22 | mape | Or well hmm, still goes to Searching for GRUB istall directory ... found: /boot/grub and hangs there |
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| 04:24.42 | simonlnu | mape: how long will it hang there? and what's going in top? |
| 04:26.11 | mape | simonlnu: I've only had it running for an hour or two before giving up, there is a "grub-probe --device-map=/boot/grub/device.map -t device /boot" and two "/bin/bash /usr/sbin/update-grub 2.6.32-5-amd64 /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64" running when I do ps aux |grep grub |
| 04:26.33 | simonlnu | mape: for the linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 ? |
| 04:26.49 | mape | hmm.. no the ones I pasted |
| 04:27.01 | mape | kill those and try again? |
| 04:27.09 | simonlnu | does it do it with the .32 one? |
| 04:27.41 | mape | duh, it's linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64_2.6.32-38_amd64.deb that I'm installing |
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| 04:28.16 | mape | head is failing at 5:30AM |
| 04:28.37 | simonlnu | ok, wtf. something wrong here. you install .26, and it hangs, and same for .32. right? |
| 04:29.10 | mape | yeah, both hang on "Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub" |
| 04:29.12 | simonlnu | mape: you know what, flash thought. can you do a grub-install ? |
| 04:29.56 | mape | as long as it doesn't require a reboot I'm all for trying |
| 04:30.04 | simonlnu | no it doesn't |
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| 04:30.24 | simonlnu | i'm trying to avoid rebooting too ;) |
| 04:30.30 | mape | hehe |
| 04:30.35 | mape | so.. args |
| 04:30.47 | mape | don't want to screw anything up even more |
| 04:30.53 | simonlnu | grub-install /dev/yourdrive |
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| 04:31.24 | mape | /dev/sda1 sounds like it would work? mounted on / |
| 04:31.31 | simonlnu | sda |
| 04:31.43 | mape | k |
| 04:32.45 | simonlnu | mape: then, update-grub, then try installing the "unfound" kernel-image again |
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| 04:33.07 | mape | ran it, no output, grub-probe takes 0.7% every now and then.. |
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| 04:33.31 | mape | shouldn't take ages? |
| 04:33.40 | simonlnu | no, just a few moments |
| 04:34.09 | mape | minutes? |
| 04:34.20 | simonlnu | tops a minute or 2 |
| 04:34.24 | mape | k |
| 04:36.37 | simonlnu | mape: is it still running? |
| 04:36.42 | mape | yeah |
| 04:36.49 | simonlnu | weird |
| 04:36.52 | mape | 3 instances of /bin/sh /usr/sbin/grub-install /dev/sda |
| 04:36.59 | mape | and the grub-probe |
| 04:37.19 | mape | guess I don't want to cancel it? :P |
| 04:37.28 | simonlnu | ok, kill them all. it's ok. |
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| 04:37.45 | simonlnu | make sure you kill the shells that spawned them |
| 04:37.58 | mape | all dead |
| 04:38.16 | simonlnu | the /bin/sh and bash in /bin/sh /usr/sbin.... |
| 04:38.41 | mape | should be fine if ps aux |grep grub only shows the grep? |
| 04:38.56 | simonlnu | yup. be sure, grep sh too |
| 04:39.34 | mape | should be done |
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| 04:40.31 | simonlnu | ok, do sh -x /usr/sbin/grub-install /dev/sda and show me where it stalls |
| 04:40.52 | mape | ++ rub-probe --device-map=/boot/grub/device.map -t drive -d /dev/sda |
| 04:40.58 | mape | *++ grub |
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| 04:41.02 | NotJimCarrey | ok, this is annoying. i got initrd.img-2.6.26-2-versatile and vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-versatile, specified them in virtual machine manager, and it's telling me "Kernel image must be specified" |
| 04:41.52 | mape | device.map has (fd0) /dev/fd0 and (hd0) /dev/sda |
| 04:42.31 | simonlnu | mape: ok kill that. run that grub-probe command like it said, and run strace with it. |
| 04:43.19 | mape | simonlnu: strace sh -x **** ? |
| 04:43.20 | simonlnu | i.e. strace -o /tmp/traceout /usr/sbin/grub-probe ..... |
| 04:43.35 | mape | I don't have strace ... |
| 04:43.41 | simonlnu | ok fuck it |
| 04:43.46 | forgotten | lol |
| 04:44.08 | mape | hmm http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=508834 |
| 04:45.00 | mape | doesn't increase the load on mine though |
| 04:51.50 | simonlnu | mape: what version is there? maybe install that, or later version? |
| 04:52.16 | mape | simonlnu: for the kernel? |
| 04:52.17 | mape | or grub? |
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| 04:52.39 | simonlnu | grub |
| 04:53.22 | mape | try getting the latest? that sounds like shaky ground considering I don't know what I'm doing :P |
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| 04:53.52 | simonlnu | yes. you're on wheezy, sid's or wheezy's won't matter |
| 04:53.59 | mape | wait.. wtf.. |
| 04:54.09 | simonlnu | hm? |
| 04:54.34 | mape | now it worked.. but got Failed to find suitable ramdisk generation tool for kernel version |
| 04:54.37 | mape | 2.6.26-2-amd64 on running kernel 2.6.26-2-amd64 in mkinitramfs-kpkg mkinitrd.yaird |
| 04:54.47 | simonlnu | wtf is yaird doing there? |
| 04:55.06 | simonlnu | please purge that thing, it's utterly borked |
| 04:55.43 | mape | But I can't purge it since it says it can't locate the file? |
| 04:56.13 | simonlnu | that dub kernel again right? |
| 04:56.16 | simonlnu | dumb* |
| 04:56.46 | mape | yeah, the one that screwed with aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 04:58.02 | mape | I'll try installing linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64_2.6.32-38_amd64.deb instead... |
| 04:58.09 | simonlnu | yes |
| 04:58.31 | simonlnu | also, check to see if yaird is installed |
| 04:58.51 | mape | hehe of course not |
| 04:58.56 | simonlnu | if it isn't then find that yaird asscoiated file in /etc and rm it |
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| 05:00.12 | mape | locate yaird doesn't find anything |
| 05:00.33 | simonlnu | ok |
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| 05:01.33 | L11 | Installed some updates, and now gdm3 can't start due to not finding X |
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| 05:02.36 | technologov | L11, check /etc/X11/default_display_manager |
| 05:02.49 | L11 | I'm stuck at TTY1 scren |
| 05:02.56 | L11 | *screen |
| 05:03.40 | technologov | # echo $(which gdm3) > /etc/X11/default_display_manager |
| 05:03.45 | technologov | -or- similar... |
| 05:03.55 | technologov | but backup file first |
| 05:05.07 | fd-balder | mape, will you be here in the next few days? ive read the most recent part of your and simonlnu's communication, and ive gotten curious. would like to hear how you end up solving it |
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| 05:05.38 | mape | fd-balder: as in you need help as well? |
| 05:06.43 | L11 | "/usr/bin/X: Not found" |
| 05:07.04 | mape | and in regards to the problem, I do think it is something like the bug I posted, the system does have high load, around 15ish, only looked at cpu usage before which is dumb |
| 05:07.47 | mape | fd-balder: but yeah sure, I'll idle if I can be of use, and I get it solved :P |
| 05:08.06 | fd-balder | k |
| 05:08.08 | fd-balder | later |
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| 05:09.33 | L11 | anyone? |
| 05:10.18 | technologov | L11, install xorg-server |
| 05:10.52 | technologov | "xserver-xorg" |
| 05:12.25 | mape | simonlnu: seems it comes futher on this install at least, before it borked on Running depmod. and failing to find the ramdisk. now it went past it and wants to find the GRUB install dir again, which will probly take another 15min :P |
| 05:12.45 | mape | But progress at least, if the old kernel doesn't still poke at the aptitude stuff |
| 05:12.46 | simonlnu | mape: hehe |
| 05:13.02 | simonlnu | yeh. well keep it - it should go eventually... |
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| 05:13.11 | simonlnu | keep at it* |
| 05:13.16 | mape | hehe yeah |
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| 05:14.07 | L11 | Error: http://pastebin.com/PgGzBqWG |
| 05:16.25 | technologov | L11, sounds like you're running 'sid' |
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| 05:16.37 | L11 | ? |
| 05:16.52 | technologov | This is not Debian-stable. |
| 05:17.21 | L11 | It's a squeeze vairation but they told me to come here for help |
| 05:19.04 | L11 | I just want a working computer again but no one seems to know what to do or want to help |
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| 05:21.08 | mape | simonlnu: hmm install went though.. so now aptitude safe-update? |
| 05:21.26 | mape | *upgrade |
| 05:21.30 | simonlnu | yup |
| 05:21.41 | mape | fingers crossed |
| 05:21.44 | simonlnu | \o/ btw |
| 05:21.49 | mape | hehe |
| 05:21.58 | mape | \o\ |o| /o/ |
| 05:22.03 | L11 | So am I SOL here? |
| 05:23.02 | simonlnu | dunno, i haven't been following |
| 05:23.39 | peterrooney | ,versions xerver-xorg-core |
| 05:23.40 | judd | No package named 'xerver-xorg-core' was found in i386. |
| 05:23.42 | simonlnu | L11: join the #debian-next channel on OFTC |
| 05:23.50 | simonlnu | peterrooney: typo |
| 05:23.50 | peterrooney | ,versions xserver-xorg-core |
| 05:23.51 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-core on i386 -- lenny: 2:1.4.2-10.lenny4; squeeze: 2:1.7.7-13; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2:1.7.7-14; squeeze-backports: 2:1.10.4-1~bpo60+1; sid: 2:1.11.2.902-1; wheezy: 2:1.11.2.902-1; experimental: 2:1.11.99.901-1 |
| 05:24.54 | peterrooney | wonders how many more typos e can make today |
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| 05:25.52 | lonkyconk | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:25.52 | lonkyconk | <lonkyconk> this is _not_ a server, so I don't mind if system would go down, since it isn't too much work for me to just slap down the backup image whereas the data has barriers, because I _don't_ wish to lose data easily and don't mind the performance hit there. |
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| 05:27.38 | simonlnu | peterrooney: hehe |
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| 05:28.10 | fortress | hmm, trying to do a netinstall. the installer is asking for a WEP key, but my network is using WPA2. it fails to connect when I attempt to use the WPA2 key in the field where it's asking for a WEP passphrase |
| 05:28.13 | fortress | any ideas? |
| 05:28.24 | lonkyconk | wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 05:28.26 | bfig | hello. where is libgraphics.so ? i tried dpkg -S libgraphics.so and nothing came up. there are a lot of libgraphics-magick things and i don't know which one to install |
| 05:28.27 | lonkyconk | for example. |
| 05:28.33 | L11 | I guess everyone is sleeping at debian-next? |
| 05:28.49 | lonkyconk | I guess debian are apple pickers too? |
| 05:28.53 | lonkyconk | ;p |
| 05:29.13 | fortress | lonkyconk: were you pointing out wpa_supplicant.conf to me? |
| 05:29.19 | lonkyconk | fortress, I know that wpa needs different configuration than wep... I don't know how ti is on debian actually... (yes, I was). |
| 05:29.45 | fortress | how could i edit that conf file while doing an install from USB? |
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| 05:30.15 | fortress | and the real question is, why isn't the Debian installer detecting my network is using WPA? why is it asking for a WEP key? |
| 05:30.26 | lonkyconk | but over in my distro (archlinux) we use wpa_supplicant.confsay to set up that.. and pass it on to dhcpcd , should you wish. hmm, In all honesty, here I will give you the link but afaik, debian installer has it's own sub-routines and so should be handling that for you. Are you on a net install as in minimal image? in that case, my link *might* work. |
| 05:30.43 | lonkyconk | well how does your network setup routine know you are not using wep , or using wpa say? |
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| 05:31.07 | dondelelcaro | fortress: squeeze's d-i doesn't support WPA |
| 05:31.14 | dondelelcaro | fortress: it's a release goal for wheezy. |
| 05:31.22 | fortress | dondelcaro, seriously? lol ok |
| 05:31.27 | lonkyconk | I did look at the debian net routine a good while ago but by now I have forgotten it's magic. sorry. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wireless_Setup |
| 05:31.28 | dondelelcaro | fortress: for the time being, you can use WEP, or you can use a wired connection |
| 05:31.41 | fortress | thanks lonkyconk |
| 05:31.41 | lonkyconk | Eveen if it is arch linux, it is very vanilla so you might find tips there. Hope it helps you a bit. :) |
| 05:31.45 | lonkyconk | no problem |
| 05:31.54 | bfig | nevermind, i found it. it was a lib the game came with, and i needed to register it manually with ldconfig |
| 05:31.57 | fortress | i'll just go find an ethernet cable, haha :) |
| 05:32.05 | lonkyconk | however, sorry for giving it here in a debian chan but ya never know .better with some reply, than no reply, right? :) |
| 05:32.06 | dioz | bfig: apt-cache search libgraphic |
| 05:32.18 | fortress | lonkyconk your help is appreciated. |
| 05:32.21 | mape | simonlnu: "You are currently upgrading udev using an incompatible kernel version. A compatible version is installed or being installed on the system, but you need to reboot using this new kernel as soon as the upgrade is complete. Without a reboot with this new kernel version, the system may become UNUSABLE." |
| 05:32.23 | lonkyconk | ye fortress, that is easier if you don't know what to do and your distro or set up is not working how you hoped |
| 05:32.32 | bfig | dioz, is that different from dpkg -S ? |
| 05:32.43 | simonlnu | mape: yes, good. progress |
| 05:32.49 | bfig | (ie, how different, if it is) |
| 05:32.59 | mape | yeah, don't like the reboot though :P |
| 05:33.01 | simonlnu | mape: just follow the instruction |
| 05:33.15 | simonlnu | just make sure you have everything there |
| 05:33.24 | dioz | bfig: i'm not sure what you're asking |
| 05:33.28 | simonlnu | initrd for kernels, kernels, grub working |
| 05:33.43 | bfig | dioz, if dpkg -S and apt-cache search differ in something? |
| 05:33.55 | mape | problem is the server is my router, so if it goes down I'm screwed |
| 05:34.00 | dioz | yeah |
| 05:34.02 | bfig | (i could answer the previous question myself) |
| 05:34.19 | simonlnu | mape: heh ok. i know the feeling |
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| 05:34.27 | dioz | apt checks your sources.list |
| 05:34.27 | bfig | what's the difference? |
| 05:34.39 | dioz | and dpkg checks the pkgs on your computer |
| 05:34.44 | dioz | and manages .deb files |
| 05:34.59 | bfig | but isn't -S a search for package descriptions that you might not have installed already? |
| 05:35.09 | dioz | i don't believe so |
| 05:35.21 | bfig | ok, that is great :) thanks for the explanation |
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| 05:40.50 | Scramblejams | Hi all, quick question. I have a .deb binary file. How do I install it while making sure dependencies get automatically handled? dpkg -i doesn't seem to do the trick. It installs it, but leaves dependencies unfilled. |
| 05:41.09 | mape | simonlnu: so now that it works, I have to reboot? |
| 05:41.42 | mape | It still tries to poke at linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 though when I run aptitude |
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| 05:42.47 | mape | hmm worked purging it now at least |
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| 05:43.42 | simonlnu | mape: woot |
| 05:44.35 | JQuazar | I do have main contrib non-free in my /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 05:45.02 | JQuazar | fresh 6.0.3 install, why can't I find nvidia-kernel-common? |
| 05:45.48 | lasers | JQuazar: "sudo aptitude update" ? |
| 05:46.03 | JQuazar | lasers, thanks... did `apt-get update` same diff right? |
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| 05:46.18 | lasers | JQuazar: Yes. |
| 05:46.33 | JQuazar | OK... I'm reading http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvidia-kernel-common and don't know enough to make sense of it |
| 05:46.57 | JQuazar | seems to say I should find it in squeeze's contrib? |
| 05:46.59 | Scramblejams | For posterity: I need gdebi. |
| 05:48.32 | JQuazar | doh I see it... have contrib but not for squeeze main, just squeeze-updates... I go try that (should get xchat running out there, ha) |
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| 06:03.07 | dentifrice | yo |
| 06:03.27 | LordTrev | Okay, so, the floppy install images haven't been updated since 1999, how much hell is it going to be to update this system? |
| 06:03.37 | dondelelcaro | LordTrev: why use floppies? |
| 06:03.48 | mape | simonlnu: btw thank you so much for taking the time to help me :) |
| 06:04.05 | dentifrice | thinks it's pretty cool to use floppies |
| 06:04.07 | simonlnu | mape: np. worky? |
| 06:04.10 | LordTrev | dondelelcaro, ancient laptop, no disc drive, no usb ports, no bios without a setup disc lost in time so no network book |
| 06:04.30 | mape | simonlnu: think so, zmq is a bit wonky but don't think it's the os fault |
| 06:04.38 | dondelelcaro | LordTrev: is it running Debian now? |
| 06:04.40 | simonlnu | mape: yay |
| 06:05.10 | dondelelcaro | LordTrev: otherwise, rip the drive out, install it externally, put it back in. |
| 06:05.51 | LordTrev | dondelelcaro, already installed from floppies (oh god that was so much work) setting up the system now |
| 06:06.35 | simonlnu | LordTrev: just go up until you hit current stable, you should be ok then |
| 06:06.36 | dondelelcaro | yeah, it's a pain. Haven't had to do that since about 2001. |
| 06:07.06 | simonlnu | LordTrev: just avoid installing extra packages and it'll go faster |
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| 06:09.58 | LordTrev | Oh damn....I don't even... |
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| 06:10.25 | LordTrev | Okay, how can I find out what version of the kernel I'm on? |
| 06:10.32 | dondelelcaro | LordTrev: uname -a |
| 06:11.12 | cuphand | will Squeze work on such a dinosaur ? |
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| 06:11.18 | LordTrev | 2.0 so I'm pretty sure this is several years older then the kernel I'm trying to use.... :/ |
| 06:11.26 | LordTrev | the network card I mean |
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| 06:12.12 | cuphand | just curious |
| 06:13.28 | LordTrev | No idea, 80mb of ram... |
| 06:13.49 | cuphand | sounds...lean |
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| 06:15.10 | LordTrev | Anyway, gonna go get a modern kernel and install it.... |
| 06:15.44 | cuphand | good luck with that.... |
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| 06:20.50 | freedom7 | thinking about doing re-install with debian and LXDE |
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| 06:40.12 | k9 | - /server irc.irc3d.com Help Us! - /server irc.irc3d.com Help Us! /server irc.irc3d.com Help Us! /server irc.irc3d.com Help Us! /server irc.irc3d.com Help Us! /server irc.irc3d.com Help Us! /server irc.irc3d.com Help Us! |
| 06:40.52 | kgoetz | k9: please stop spamming |
| 06:41.07 | L11 | How can I get XFCE to start at boot and not GDM3? |
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| 06:41.34 | simonlnu | !ops k9 |
| 06:41.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: simonlnu complains about: k9 |
| 06:41.43 | LordTrev | Dammit, okay the real solution was to use mini.iso since this never even tries to mount the cd |
| 06:42.17 | LordTrev | At any rate I can say when I was a kid I installed linux from floppies c: |
| 06:42.54 | simonlnu | hehe |
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| 06:50.06 | suiii | hello, I don't understand this compile option --disable-nls, I thought that means no language support, only the language you use on your box, so then it does not install any /usr/share/locale? |
| 06:50.31 | suiii | is there anyway to compile from source and have no /usr/share/locale made? |
| 06:50.48 | suiii | I only want for the language I use, not all these other supports... |
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| 07:00.57 | tensorpudding | does debian still use /etc/inittab? |
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| 07:01.33 | beardy | Of course? |
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| 07:04.27 | tensorpudding | okay |
| 07:04.37 | tensorpudding | i thought that debian replaced system v init |
| 07:04.42 | tensorpudding | with something else |
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| 07:05.06 | tensorpudding | as is fashionable nowadays |
| 07:05.14 | fortress | i thought /etc/ had been made obselete a while back? |
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| 07:07.05 | tensorpudding | etc is one silly name |
| 07:07.14 | tensorpudding | at least it is organized now |
| 07:07.22 | tensorpudding | in oldunix etc had binaries in it! |
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| 07:11.45 | simonlnu | tensorpudding: i always think "et cetera", as in, "whatever else" |
| 07:12.07 | tensorpudding | it became "the place where config goes" |
| 07:12.24 | simonlnu | yep |
| 07:12.39 | tensorpudding | but initially it wasn't |
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| 07:14.15 | tensorpudding | for instance, fsck, dmesg, getty, init were all in /etc |
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| 07:42.26 | operhiem1 | I'm trying to set up multiboot with Squeeze and Wheezy with both root filesystems stored on encrypted LVM. I'm having trouble configuring GRUB2 correctly. |
| 07:43.19 | operhiem1 | I've set up separate ext2 /boot partitions for each, but grub-install only checks the current /boot for kernel images. |
| 07:45.25 | operhiem1 | I installed Squeeze first and am currently booted into it, so I tried copying the stuff in Wheezy's /boot to this one. The kernels were then detected, but of course didn't start up with the Wheezy root. I've tried manually specifying which filesystem to use as root, but the Wheezy installation won't prompt for the passphrase to unlock the crypt holding the LVM. |
| 07:45.49 | operhiem1 | Any ideas? |
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| 07:48.30 | Emilie | http://imageshack.us/f/62/capturemoniteursystme.png/ |
| 07:48.31 | Emilie | :> |
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| 08:01.14 | lasers | Hi. What's the command to search for factoid on dpkg? |
| 08:01.29 | somiaj | !tell lasers about search |
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| 08:03.22 | lasers | somiaj: Thanks. |
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| 08:10.35 | Coudy | Hi, I have clean install of debian , how to get mouse scrolling to work ? I have installer xserver-input-mouse package |
| 08:12.18 | operhiem1 | Coudy: What else have you installed with regards to GUI? Where are you trying to scroll? |
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| 08:13.52 | somiaj | Coudy: mouse scrolling in what application, it should be there by default in most (talking about the mouse wheel right?) |
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| 08:17.54 | mrtn86 | I use OpenBox as a windows manager and I start xterm by making a right mouse click on the desktop and then choosing "Terminal Emulator" from the menu which executes xterm. How can I change the startup parameters for xterm in this case? |
| 08:18.01 | mrtn86 | *window |
| 08:18.14 | Coudy | operhiem1, somiaj I have gnome3 , mouse scrolling don't work on whole system, web browser, text files, .. etc |
| 08:18.46 | Emilie | http://imageshack.us/f/62/capturemoniteursystme.png/ |
| 08:18.47 | Emilie | :> |
| 08:19.07 | operhiem1 | mrtn86: You mean it's not in the OpenBox documentation how to add to the desktop right-click menu? |
| 08:19.33 | somiaj | Coudy: what version of debian, maybe check around the bts. |
| 08:19.37 | doxtor | Flash and Amarok sound won't work at the same time. How do I fix this? |
| 08:19.45 | doxtor | Distro is wheezy |
| 08:19.50 | operhiem1 | Emilie: I saw that. I core is pegged at 100% - what are you asking for help with exactly? |
| 08:19.51 | Coudy | somiaj, debain testing |
| 08:20.02 | Emilie | nothing :) |
| 08:20.24 | operhiem1 | Emilie: Why are you pasting it? |
| 08:21.07 | Emilie | just like that |
| 08:21.13 | operhiem1 | doxtor: see topic: this is for Squeeze, Wheezy is #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. |
| 08:21.26 | doxtor | operhiem1: thanks |
| 08:21.51 | doxtor | operhiem1: are you in that channel? Can you invite me? |
| 08:22.56 | operhiem1 | doxtor: the server for #debian-testing is not freenode, it is irc.oftc.net. |
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| 08:25.51 | simonlnu | it's #debian-next |
| 08:26.13 | operhiem1 | Sorry, yes, that's what I meant. |
| 08:26.23 | somiaj | doxtor: sounds like you don't have software mixing support, some cards dont' have it in alsa, some cards will work with dmix. |
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| 08:26.52 | doxtor | somiaj: so what's the solution? |
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| 08:27.53 | somiaj | doxtor: do you use a custom asoundrc file? dmix should be enabled by default, but I'd use google and look for your sound card and support |
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| 08:47.58 | meta-coder | ,bugs |
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| 08:50.36 | CcSsNET | anyone know of a debwrt channel? |
| 08:51.16 | LeLutin | with a usb key you can add a nonfree .dev for the nic drivers and the debian installer will pick it up automatically if needed. is there a way to do the same with pxe boot? |
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| 08:53.59 | robde | hello, how can I figure out why webmin crashes all the time? |
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| 08:59.09 | kleanchap | I have a vanilla Debian installed with Gnome. Are there desktop widgets like Windows 7 for Debian? |
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| 09:07.56 | CcSsNET | kleanchap: many |
| 09:08.28 | CcSsNET | i would suggest conky as a focus for now but there is very much so many options |
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| 09:10.04 | pbase | how do I download wheezy directly ? I don't see any option in the debian download page ? |
| 09:10.52 | CcSsNET | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ |
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| 09:14.26 | pbase | CcSsNET: that's 52 cds :|.. isn't there something like stable? |
| 09:14.40 | pbase | which can be downlaoded in like 700mb |
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| 09:15.03 | CcSsNET | no idea what ur looking at |
| 09:15.09 | CcSsNET | i use buisness card iso |
| 09:15.16 | CcSsNET | 62mb or so |
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| 09:15.29 | pbase | CcSsNET: the normal stable version iso is like 700mb |
| 09:15.45 | CcSsNET | which arch are you on? |
| 09:15.51 | pbase | to am ove to wheezy from it, there is additional 1.2 gb download |
| 09:16.05 | pbase | I am currently on 32bit wheezy |
| 09:16.36 | pbase | I had initially installed the stable version and then chnaged the repos to wheezy |
| 09:17.16 | CcSsNET | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 09:17.39 | CcSsNET | i would recommend changing the /etc/apt/sources.list file contents after intial install |
| 09:17.42 | pbase | I need a 64 bit one.. want to move to 64-bit wheezy |
| 09:17.55 | CcSsNET | then why didnt u say so when i asked arch... |
| 09:18.11 | pbase | I said I am currently on 32.. |
| 09:18.15 | CcSsNET | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso |
| 09:18.38 | CcSsNET | i just downloaded amd64/sid myself |
| 09:19.03 | pbase | the first cd is sufficient for a working system? |
| 09:19.17 | CcSsNET | ive done it |
| 09:19.39 | CcSsNET | i usually disable stuff (deselect base, and gui |
| 09:19.41 | pbase | yes but is it sufficient to create a usb installer? |
| 09:20.22 | CcSsNET | not sure i dont do usb i still burn cds |
| 09:20.24 | pbase | I download it, make usb iso using usb-creator |
| 09:20.31 | pbase | cool |
| 09:20.41 | pbase | were you able to run only using the first cd? |
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| 09:20.46 | pbase | does it ask for the others? |
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| 09:23.47 | CcSsNET | go try |
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| 09:23.56 | pbase | thanks |
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| 09:32.27 | corretico | hi |
| 09:33.32 | corretico | I'm trying to install debian wheeze from usb but every time when I press on the "Install" option... i get the following message: "info kbd-mode setting console mode to unicode" |
| 09:34.44 | ksuhku | that's not an error, so the install hangs? |
| 09:35.10 | kleanchap | CcSsNET, Thnx! |
| 09:35.22 | corretico | yes... |
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| 09:35.43 | samba35 | i run dpkg --get-selections |grep -i apache show deinstall what ismean |
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| 09:37.04 | samba35 | i want to remove all file with apache including config files and reinstall apache fresh |
| 09:37.22 | simonlnu | apache2 has several packages... |
| 09:37.24 | valdyn | samba35: purge the remaining listed packages |
| 09:37.31 | simonlnu | dpkg -l 'apache2*' |
| 09:37.32 | dpkg | No packages found matching 'apache2*' |
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| 09:39.54 | samba35 | ok |
| 09:42.20 | samba35 | how do i remove apache2.2-common complete with config file also i try purge |
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| 09:43.03 | samba35 | with dpkg -l 'apache2' it show rc and apache common package |
| 09:43.15 | samba35 | other are un |
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| 09:47.36 | simonlnu | samba35: dpkg --purge foo or apt-get --purge remove foo or aptitude purge foo. be aware that if you use dpkg, aptitude might see it as needing installing again |
| 09:47.47 | simonlnu | !foo |
| 09:47.47 | dpkg | i heard foo is the probably first <metasyntactic variable>, it's a placeholder for some other term. See http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html and <bar>, also read the Etymology of "Foo" (RFC3092). |
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| 09:48.11 | samba35 | ok i will try all |
| 09:48.13 | samba35 | thanks |
| 09:48.18 | simonlnu | yw |
| 09:49.11 | samba35 | cooooooooooooolllllllllllllllllllllll |
| 09:49.23 | samba35 | simonlnu, thanks |
| 09:49.48 | samba35 | apt-get remove /pruge did not work but aptitude works |
| 09:49.49 | simonlnu | ok |
| 09:49.54 | samba35 | why it is so |
| 09:50.36 | simonlnu | samba35: unix doesn't use windows switches. switches with unix use - or -- not / . / is a directory separator in unix |
| 09:51.09 | simonlnu | see what i typed before? ^^^ |
| 09:51.17 | samba35 | ic |
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| 10:19.11 | wissem | helo |
| 10:19.27 | fortress | does anyone know how to get metacity to parse the backslash (/) key when binding key commands? |
| 10:19.36 | fortress | I've tried / and Backslash, and neither work |
| 10:19.53 | jelly-home | givealittle: it's moved to irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net) |
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| 10:21.03 | Coudy | Hi, I'm using gnome 3.2 with debian testing, it is smooth until I launch Gajim 0.14.4, then is gnome-shell flickering. why ? how to solve it ? |
| 10:21.05 | jelly-home | fortress: no idea, but \ is backslash, / is forward slash |
| 10:21.41 | fortress | jelly-home: yeah my mistake, i meant \ |
| 10:21.50 | fortress | i figured it out. the word that works is "bar" |
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| 10:22.41 | fortress | jelly-home: do you know what command runs the default terminal in gnome on debian? |
| 10:22.59 | ksx4system | how can I install kernel inside debootstrapped chroot? |
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| 10:23.12 | ksx4system | it's going to be full system running from CF card |
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| 10:25.35 | ksx4system | hello? |
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| 10:25.46 | jelly-home | fortress: nope, no idea about gnome-specific stuff. |
| 10:27.02 | fortress | does anyone know what version of python is default on wheezy? i need to be using 2.7, but it seems squeeze is using 2.6 |
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| 10:32.07 | fortress | would you recommend using aptitude full-upgrade or doing a clean install? |
| 10:32.45 | ghostlines | I would do a full-upgrade |
| 10:32.58 | ghostlines | but we need to check if wheezy is running python 2.7 |
| 10:33.12 | philipballew | How would I go about disabling my root account and setting up sudo on my regular user account? |
| 10:33.21 | ksx4system | one more time: any ideas how to install kernel inside debootstrapped chroot? it's going to be full system on CF card |
| 10:33.35 | ksx4system | I'm sure that someone here knows the solution |
| 10:33.50 | ksx4system | anybody? |
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| 10:36.54 | fortress | ghostlines: the wheezy package list seems to indicate python 2.7 |
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| 10:37.00 | SVNDR | ksx4system: google? |
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| 10:37.30 | fortress | ghostlines: i literally just installed debian squeeze, fresh install. do you think it would be best to use full-ugrade, or safe-upgrade? i just don't want things to be crashing and conflicting |
| 10:38.22 | ghostlines | fortress, I would do a full-upgrade, that's what I'm going to do now I think I'm running into a similar issue where I can't find the latest apache in then squeeze backports |
| 10:38.45 | ghostlines | fortress, I tried doing a install of wheezy testing but the installer gave me problems would hang |
| 10:39.27 | ksx4system | SVNDR: I'm not stupid. The problem is that there's no good tutorial for this, all of them are missing something. |
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| 10:39.48 | ksx4system | (That's why I'm going to write my own as soon as I finish with this nightmare) |
| 10:39.51 | ghostlines | fortress, but I thought we could find testing packages in backports for these kind of issues |
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| 10:40.26 | SVNDR | ksx4system: well what part is it missing? because i dont think anyone is going to do this for you.. explain what is actually rong |
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| 10:41.18 | fortress | ghostlines: i read just now that updating python itself on squeeze breaks a lot of programs that depend on python 2.6. there's a workaround but its tedious and since i just installed and don't mind running wheezy i thought i misewell just upgrade. i'm going to go with full-upgrade, thanks for your advice |
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| 10:45.03 | fortress | wow, it's going to download a GiB of data for the upgrade |
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| 10:46.53 | rf5 | hello! im trying to access my ssh localhost after doing a apt ssh-server and its returning refused. |
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| 10:47.45 | ghostlines | fortress, damn! got a good link for the upgrade process, I assume ya gotta change ya sources.list and stuff |
| 10:48.40 | fortress | ghostlines: yes, not sure if you're asking me or not, but just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change all the fields that say "squeeze" to "wheezy". only 17 mins left, the servers are quick! |
| 10:48.40 | ksx4system | SVNDR: well, at the moment nobody pointed what exactly you should mount before entering your fresh chroot. |
| 10:48.54 | ksx4system | SVNDR: whatever, fixed + I'll cook new tutorial |
| 10:49.02 | fortress | and i do believe wheezy has transitioned to python 2.7 |
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| 10:49.14 | ghostlines | fortress, ahh k thanks, I'll race ya! |
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| 10:49.30 | fortress | ghostlines: hehe somehow dropped to 9 minutes ;) better hurry! |
| 10:49.51 | fortress | and now it's up to 28 mins, lol |
| 10:50.05 | rf5 | anyone |
| 10:50.40 | jelly-home | ghostlines: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 10:51.15 | fortress | rf5: what do you mean apt ssh-server? |
| 10:51.24 | rf5 | apt-get install openssh-server |
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| 10:51.51 | fortress | rf5: why did you update it? |
| 10:51.57 | fortress | was it working before? |
| 10:52.01 | rf5 | ya it was |
| 10:52.11 | rf5 | but i found an update of it so i did |
| 10:52.15 | fortress | did you have a custom port mapped for it? |
| 10:52.28 | rf5 | ya i think so cause thats my friends server |
| 10:52.47 | fortress | so you don't have access to the machine? |
| 10:53.00 | rf5 | ya ssh |
| 10:53.07 | fortress | do you know the port you were connecting with before? |
| 10:53.16 | fortress | but now you can't even log in at all, with no access to the machine? |
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| 10:53.25 | fortress | try using port 22 |
| 10:53.29 | rf5 | oh ya.. was 2222 |
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| 10:53.31 | ghostlines | fortress, no 404 errors by you? I got some for the wheezy-updates |
| 10:53.41 | rf5 | now im trying ssh localhost 2222 and its refusing |
| 10:53.49 | fortress | ghostlines: i got two 404 errors, but i just started the install anyways. seems to be going fine |
| 10:53.57 | fortress | rf5: try port 22 |
| 10:54.00 | rf5 | did |
| 10:54.02 | rf5 | refusing aswell |
| 10:54.02 | fortress | maybe it reverted to the default |
| 10:54.15 | rf5 | i tryed to add a rule in iptables but didnt work aswell |
| 10:54.21 | fortress | does the ssh server use an RSA key, or just a password login? |
| 10:54.31 | rf5 | just password, i removed the keys. |
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| 10:54.51 | fortress | do you have any way of rebooting the remote server? |
| 10:55.03 | rf5 | ya but ill loose ssh access |
| 10:55.06 | rf5 | ill try it anyway |
| 10:55.09 | fortress | no wait |
| 10:55.15 | rf5 | and wait till he fix it tomorrow |
| 10:55.17 | jelly-home | rf5: is there, in fact a sshd process active? |
| 10:55.26 | rf5 | ya i restarted it already |
| 10:55.26 | fortress | so you're logged in on one terminal, but cannot connect with a new session? |
| 10:55.33 | rf5 | yes exactly haha |
| 10:55.38 | fortress | i see i see |
| 10:55.43 | fortress | don't lose that session bro |
| 10:55.46 | fortress | not yet, lol |
| 10:55.56 | rf5 | its okay its my friends sv anyway he will fix it tomorrow |
| 10:56.03 | rf5 | thanks anyway mate |
| 10:56.17 | fortress | no prob, i'm really not sure what to try. i did have that problem once but i don't remember what to do |
| 10:56.33 | rf5 | ya i had it aswell but i forgot what to do |
| 10:56.50 | fortress | i vaguely remember being surprised that rebooting fixed something... but i'm not sure if that was it |
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| 10:57.26 | fortress | and btw, not using port 22 = ftw |
| 10:57.29 | ghostlines | ahh k I think I'm gunna wait on upgrading till I fix these 404's and see if wheezy still gets security updates |
| 10:57.29 | philipballew | linux.csua.berkeley.edu seems to be down so i can update. Can anyone confirm? |
| 10:57.44 | fortress | when i had mine on port 22 i had tons of break in attempts, all of the IPs of which resolved to China |
| 10:58.16 | fortress | phillipballew: i think i got a 404 on that server actually |
| 10:58.40 | philipballew | i am getting one now. I might need to add a new mirrior |
| 10:58.43 | jelly-home | philipballew: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/linux.csua.berkeley.edu |
| 10:59.22 | fortress | ^ there's the answer to your 404s ghostlines |
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| 11:00.21 | ghostlines | i'm in the netherlands I use http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ |
| 11:00.41 | fortress | my bad :) |
| 11:01.41 | philipballew | how would i add a new mirrior? |
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| 11:02.01 | fortress | phillipballew: google for the debian mirror list |
| 11:02.16 | philipballew | alright. sounds good. |
| 11:02.18 | fortress | phillipballew: then edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 11:03.05 | jelly-home | !mirrors |
| 11:03.05 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 11:03.26 | kleanchap | I installed kde on my Debian. In my current Gnome, the wifi connection starts up immediatly upon login. This is not happening in KDE. How can I fix this? |
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| 11:07.23 | ghostlines | fortress, hmm my upgrade only needed 59MB of stuff, I guess you didn't just install squeeze and had a lot of packages that needed updating |
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| 11:10.34 | fortress | ghostlines: i used the net install. not sure what else got installed |
| 11:12.30 | ghostlines | cool upgrade is done!, guess you were done mins ago :) lol |
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| 11:14.52 | fortress | yeah i finished a bit ago. python 2.7 is not installed for some reason.... |
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| 11:17.59 | ghostlines | damn, the whole purpose of the upgrade if ya can't remove and reinstall the good python ya might just have to build it from source |
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| 11:19.02 | fortress | trying to install it through aptitude right now |
| 11:19.07 | fortress | i'm sure it will work :) |
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| 11:19.45 | jelly-home | fortress: what is the version of python package installed? |
| 11:19.55 | jelly-home | ,versions python |
| 11:19.56 | judd | Package: python on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.2-3; squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze6; sid: 2.7.2-9; wheezy: 2.7.2-9 |
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| 11:21.22 | fortress | thanks jelly-home. wheezy does use 2.7. not sure why full-upgrade did not install it |
| 11:22.20 | jelly-home | doesn't really answer my question |
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| 11:23.47 | fortress | what was your question? |
| 11:23.53 | jelly-home | fortress: what is the version of python package installed? |
| 11:23.58 | fortress | 2.6.6 |
| 11:24.20 | ghostlines | it basically just kept the squeeze version upgrade hiccup I guess |
| 11:24.27 | fortress | hmm i just installed 2.7, but when i run python it still says 2.6.6 - i must need to change something |
| 11:24.30 | jelly-home | fortress: do you have output of your aptitude run saved and can you pastebin it |
| 11:24.55 | fortress | i don't have it anymore |
| 11:25.00 | fortress | i restarted |
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| 11:25.37 | fortress | maybe i need to uninstall python 2.6 |
| 11:25.40 | fortress | do you think that would be unwise? |
| 11:25.45 | jelly-home | it's not a bad idea to run it in "script" |
| 11:25.49 | jelly-home | next time |
| 11:25.56 | fortress | what's that? |
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| 11:26.34 | ghostlines | jelly-home, i'll pastebin mines standby |
| 11:26.40 | jelly-home | a tool that logs all terminal output for the shell run inside it |
| 11:26.54 | fortress | cool, i'll use that from now on |
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| 11:28.11 | fortress | okay, removing python 2.6 will break a ton of things including gnome, according to aptitude |
| 11:28.16 | fortress | sighs |
| 11:28.22 | fortress | maybe i'll just do a proper install of wheezy |
| 11:28.35 | jelly-home | that IS the proper way to install wheezy |
| 11:28.55 | fortress | does it sound right that it would download a GiB of data to do the install? |
| 11:28.58 | fortress | or the upgrade i should say |
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| 11:29.16 | fortress | on a freshly installed squeezy system? |
| 11:29.24 | fortress | *squeeze |
| 11:29.25 | jelly-home | if you had something like a desktop enviroment installed, sure |
| 11:29.36 | fortress | yes, graphical desktop environment |
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| 11:31.19 | kleanchap | I have installed KDE now on my desktop. In my GNOME, the wireless connection starts up fine. When I login to KDE, I do not have a wifi connection. How can I fix this problem? |
| 11:31.20 | jelly-home | fortress: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy python", then |
| 11:31.30 | fortress | i just ran aptitude full-upgrade again, and it wants to remove and install al sorts of things again |
| 11:31.48 | kleanchap | I want the wifi to start and work regardless of the desktop environment I am using. |
| 11:32.12 | ghostlines | jelly-home, http://pastebin.com/bwm6KAaX there's the upgrade log |
| 11:32.46 | jelly-home | ghostlines: but do you have the same symptoms as fortress, an apparent "python" package not upgraded? |
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| 11:33.10 | fortress | jelly-home: pastebin.com/dTZPKxnW |
| 11:33.24 | ghostlines | yep |
| 11:33.28 | fortress | jelly-home: http://www.pastebin.com/dTZPKxnW |
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| 11:33.43 | ghostlines | it didn't upgrade python to 2.7 it's still at 2.6.6 here as well |
| 11:33.47 | jelly-home | fortress: and what happens it you apt-get install python ? |
| 11:33.50 | jelly-home | if* |
| 11:34.28 | fortress | jelly-home: it wants to uninstall and break a million packages, including gnome |
| 11:34.46 | fortress | i'm going to run full-upgrade again |
| 11:34.51 | fortress | it wanted to install more stuff again |
| 11:35.02 | jelly-home | are you saving the output this time? |
| 11:35.09 | fortress | ah yes i will |
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| 11:36.03 | jelly-home | testing can be broken, I'd advise separating your desktop environment and your development environment for the time being |
| 11:36.10 | fortress | this time it's getting 938 MB |
| 11:36.53 | fortress | jelly-home: i don't mind if things get borked. i'll just do an install from USB. i literally just installed this onto my netbook, there's nothing crucial on here |
| 11:37.29 | jelly-home | fortress: in that case, it might be easier to do a base system install of squeeze, and upgrade _that_ to testing |
| 11:37.40 | jelly-home | only then install other stuff on top on it |
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| 11:38.07 | fortress | can i not install wheezy from USB? |
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| 11:38.13 | jelly-home | no |
| 11:38.19 | fortress | ah i see |
| 11:38.39 | jelly-home | (well, yes, but the supported method is to install stable and full-upgrade) |
| 11:38.56 | fortress | it only downloaded 45 MB and is installing now |
| 11:39.12 | jelly-home | fortress: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 11:39.23 | fortress | it is removing tons of packages atm |
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| 11:39.39 | fortress | i have the page open |
| 11:39.44 | jelly-home | are you using aptitude or apt-get |
| 11:39.48 | fortress | aptitude |
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| 11:40.00 | jelly-home | apt-get is often more conservative in its removals |
| 11:40.23 | fortress | it must be replacing some things |
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| 11:40.27 | fortress | it removed gnome.. |
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| 11:42.11 | ghostlines | I ran a apt-get install --reinstall python, and it upgraded it to 2.7.2+ now |
| 11:42.23 | fortress | ghostlines: interesting |
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| 11:43.10 | ghostlines | strange stuff, but I didn't do a net install, just a stable install of squeeze then changed the sources to wheezy and upgraded |
| 11:43.30 | fortress | i think it's working for me this time. it's replacing a ton of packages |
| 11:43.32 | ghostlines | the question is how many packages aren't fully upgraded just like this python one |
| 11:43.40 | fortress | ya good question |
| 11:43.50 | fortress | try running full-upgrade again |
| 11:43.57 | fortress | see if it says it will get anything |
| 11:44.57 | jelly-home | that question would be answered by examining the installation log. It says how many packages are kept from being upgraded |
| 11:45.40 | jelly-home | ghostlines: btw your log is partial, the top (the interesting part) is missing |
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| 11:46.26 | ghostlines | jelly-home, ohh man, you're right! |
| 11:46.36 | ghostlines | jelly-home, i missed the kept-back part |
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| 11:49.08 | ghostlines | jelly-home, fixed http://pastebin.com/bwm6KAaX , and indeed python was one of them that was kept-back |
| 11:49.53 | ghostlines | fortress, what do you mean by full-upgrade i'm not familiar with that command, I just change sources and run apt-get update then apt-get upgrade |
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| 11:51.23 | fortress | ghostlines: oh, i was using aptitude full-upgrade |
| 11:51.26 | jelly-home | ghostlines: read the squeeze->wheezy factoid. |
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| 11:53.20 | jelly-home | !safe-upgrade |
| 11:53.20 | dpkg | safe-upgrade is the new name for "upgrade" in aptitude from lenny onwards. Running aptitude safe-upgrade won't install new packages but that means you might miss security updates that install new packages. Ask me about <full-upgrade> <apt-listchanges>. |
| 11:53.27 | fortress | i think it's definitely working this time. it's installing ad uninstalling a ton of packages. |
| 11:53.49 | jelly-home | ghostlines: same for apt-get |
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| 11:55.15 | fortress | "linking and byte-compiling packages for runtime python2.7" just appeared :) |
| 11:55.39 | ghostlines | jelly-home, thanks! will check that out |
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| 12:02.05 | fortress | success! python 2.7.2 is now running |
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| 12:02.48 | fortress | dvorak_ :) |
| 12:02.52 | fortress | aoeu! |
| 12:05.11 | ghostlines | yippie |
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| 12:11.03 | fortress | but now my system doesn't even boot |
| 12:11.04 | fortress | lol |
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| 12:13.41 | ghostlines | do you see grub at all? |
| 12:14.19 | fortress | ya grub, then when it tries to boot |
| 12:14.27 | fortress | nothing :) |
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| 12:14.43 | fortress | i am going to try a base install of squeeze, then upgrade to wheezy, then install the graphical environment |
| 12:15.23 | ghostlines | good luck |
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| 12:17.06 | fortress | thx ghostlines, good luck with getting apache running |
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| 12:37.49 | fredl | hey folks. I'm getting grub error messages on a debian virtual server after I manually moved the image from a local filesystem to an NFS filesystem |
| 12:38.05 | fredl | says 'error: out of disk.' |
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| 12:43.32 | fredl | how does one go about fixing this? I'm getting the 'grub rescue>' prompt |
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| 12:44.17 | fredl | 'set' shows me just: 'prefix=(hd0,msdos1)/boot/grub´ and 'root=hd0/msdos1' |
| 12:44.53 | s70rm | set root='(hd0,1)' |
| 12:45.03 | RaymondX | how many grub entries? you have windows partition? |
| 12:45.37 | s70rm | linux /boot/vmlinuz |
| 12:45.37 | s70rm | boot |
| 12:45.50 | fredl | only one grub entry, this is a KVM guest. |
| 12:46.32 | fredl | s70rm: says 'Unknown command `boot`' |
| 12:46.50 | s70rm | no you to boot I mean |
| 12:47.17 | fredl | simply reboot? it remembers those new settings then? |
| 12:47.29 | RaymondX | edit the grub menu |
| 12:48.14 | fredl | RaymondX - I cannot do that, it has not booted yet right... |
| 12:48.43 | fredl | s70rm when I reboot after changing those settings, the settings are gone... still same error |
| 12:49.17 | fredl | (it's a squeeze install, so I think it's grub 1, right? |
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| 12:52.00 | RaymondX | is there a way to run a livecd so you can edit the grub.ctg? |
| 12:52.55 | fredl | I don't think so, as this is not a real partition nor a real filesystem, just have the KVM img file |
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| 12:52.59 | technologov__ | edit on live DVD itself or on HDD ? |
| 12:53.04 | technologov__ | There is debian-live DVD |
| 12:53.29 | RaymondX | if virtualbox can support that file format then you can |
| 12:53.33 | fredl | technologov__, I know, but from that I wouldn't have a clue how to access a KVM guest filesystem |
| 12:54.17 | fredl | well this is originally a vmware host image |
| 12:54.44 | fredl | I think I'm simply going to trash it and built from scratch, shouldn't be too hard |
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| 12:55.14 | fredl | but I figured perhaps you guys would know some commands to make it work from the grub rescue prompt |
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| 12:55.46 | fredl | now that I look at the file, it seems it may have actually gotten truncated somehow. |
| 12:56.56 | RaymondX | and use a cli text editor? not worth the effort. better run a livecd on it |
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| 12:58.05 | fredl | RaymondX - I cannot do anything the actual filesystem itself. If KVM/Qemu cant start the guest, neither can virtualbox (I think) |
| 12:58.36 | fredl | so it needs to be fixed from the grub rescue> prompt, or not at all I imagine |
| 12:58.56 | RaymondX | but you can still mount the file system by using a livecd...i recommend puppy |
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| 12:59.28 | fredl | scratches his head... but there IS no filesystem to mount right?? |
| 12:59.52 | fredl | all I have it this: -rw------- 1 libvirt-qemu kvm 1654063104 Jan 8 11:25 as46k-flat.vmdk |
| 13:00.06 | fredl | is |
| 13:01.01 | RaymondX | virtualbox has vmdk support...include it in your hard disk profile and you will see it there once puppy is booted up |
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| 13:03.35 | radhus | Anyone know the preferred/correct behaviour to change power button behaviour (in wheezy)? I want it to sleep, not shut down |
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| 13:05.48 | Coudy | hi, when I want to play some video files (doesn't matter if it is native player or mplayer2) I'm logged off from Gnome3 (debian testing) , I can't see output error |
| 13:07.34 | RaymondX | you need codecs google for debian non-free codecs |
| 13:07.37 | Coudy | I have tried gnome-classic, I'm logged off too, I have installed debian multimedia |
| 13:07.59 | Coudy | but I can't find w32codecs, I'm on 64bit debian |
| 13:10.06 | RaymondX | install w64codecs |
| 13:11.37 | jelly-home | Coudy: can you pastebin your command line and the output of mplayer (or mplayer2) |
| 13:11.42 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 13:11.42 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
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| 13:12.12 | jelly-home | Coudy: use "script" to capture it |
| 13:13.27 | Coudy | w64codecs installe, but I'm logged of again.. |
| 13:13.57 | Coudy | jelly-home, will be this satisfied ? mplayer2 movie.ext | tee outpu.log ? |
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| 13:16.21 | jelly-home | no, just use script instead |
| 13:16.57 | jelly-home | mplayer might act differently when its stdout is not a tty |
| 13:17.00 | Coudy | jelly-home, which script ? |
| 13:17.15 | jelly-home | Coudy: /usr/bin/script, the tool |
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| 13:18.24 | jelly-home | it opens a new shell and captures all output to a file |
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| 13:22.18 | jordanm | jelly-home: script actually captures the input to a file too |
| 13:22.24 | jordanm | jelly-home: control chars and all |
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| 13:26.02 | Coudy | jelly-home, nothing in file |
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| 13:26.25 | Coudy | jelly-home, with | tee I have something, I'll paste it to pastebin |
| 13:28.18 | mah454 | How can disable caching in squid-3.1 ? |
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| 13:29.13 | ksx4system | is it possible to force apt against using disk cache? |
| 13:29.22 | Coudy | jelly-home, http://paste.jabbim.cz/5508 |
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| 13:38.41 | _nor | hi, will dd-ing my system partition sda1 to sda2 make grub boot into sda2? |
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| 13:38.50 | Trewas | Coudy: seems like everything is ok that far, codecs are recognized etc... btw mplayer is a better choice than mplayer2, no matter if it sounds like a newer version |
| 13:39.08 | casualuser | hello everybody =] |
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| 13:40.05 | Coudy | Trewas, when I switch to software rendering, video is working, I have fglrx 11.12, I read about bug, but it was Intel specific |
| 13:40.08 | casualuser | recently had updated squeeze to wheezy and found that sound doesn't play well but it seems that sound card detected properly |
| 13:40.27 | casualuser | please provide me with any suggestions how to solve this? |
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| 13:44.01 | RaymondX | is wheezy the current stable build? |
| 13:44.16 | casualuser | wheezy is current testing build |
| 13:44.28 | Coudy | RaymondX, lenny |
| 13:44.35 | Torne | i just upgraded to wheezy and now i can't play sound, even with speaker-test or similar. i don't run any desktop/pulseaudio/etc that might be interfering, and my only sound device is an HDMI out (so no mixers/etc). |
| 13:44.50 | Torne | speaker-test says Channels count (1) not available for playbacks: Invalid argument |
| 13:45.25 | casualuser | Torne, are you using Gnome or XFCE as it's running on my laptop? |
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| 13:45.32 | Torne | nope, console |
| 13:45.52 | Torne | the device is there, the mixer has just the digital on/off toggle, but nothing can open it |
| 13:47.16 | Coudy | Trewas, jelly-home anything ? |
| 13:47.43 | jelly-home | Coudy: so your X server dies when Xv is used. As a workaround, try mplayer -vo gl? Or gl2? |
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| 13:49.29 | jelly-home | ... assuming your nonfree driver is properly installed and OpenGL is working |
| 13:50.32 | jelly-home | RaymondX: current stable = Debian 6, codename squeeze; wheezy is the codename of the release to come after squeeze. |
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| 13:56.01 | radhus | anyone knows how to configure the power button action in wheezy? |
| 13:57.09 | ksx4system | radhus: depends on your desktop env. |
| 13:57.22 | kleanchap | How can I add KDE menu items to GNOME menus? |
| 13:57.46 | radhus | ksx4system: i only run xbmc. it's a htpc so no GNOME/KDE. |
| 13:58.04 | radhus | ksx4system: the computer shuts down while pressing the power button, i want it to sleep :) |
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| 13:58.27 | ksx4system | radhus: so read about acpi. afair it was around few lines to configure that |
| 13:58.45 | RaymondX | then press the sleep button |
| 13:58.55 | ksx4system | RaymondX: not all PCs have that |
| 13:59.01 | radhus | ksx4system: yeah, it used to be on other distros but i cant find how the preferred way for debian |
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| 13:59.10 | radhus | RaymondX: hehe, dont have one |
| 13:59.11 | ksx4system | RaymondX: none of my boxes has it. |
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| 13:59.47 | RaymondX | it's a bios thing ...run your cmos to configure your power button |
| 14:00.18 | radhus | but acpid(? some package at least) is answering to the power button event... i should be able to configure that? |
| 14:00.24 | radhus | i have done it in other distros atleast |
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| 14:01.58 | RaymondX | run your PC's bios / cmos / firmware / whatever and configure your power button from there |
| 14:02.34 | radhus | i dont have anything to configure in the bios |
| 14:02.47 | radhus | i have configured this in software on other distros |
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| 14:03.19 | RaymondX | what's your motherboard brand? |
| 14:03.22 | radhus | intel |
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| 14:03.46 | radhus | http://ark.intel.com/products/34684/Intel-Desktop-Board-DG45ID |
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| 14:05.58 | RaymondX | im running on a P3 with an unknown motherboard. less than 200mb of memory. I see a "suspend" mode on the power section...so that must be sleep |
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| 14:07.41 | RaymondX | does your pc ever say "press del" to configure bios before it boots up? |
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| 14:08.02 | radhus | haha yes |
| 14:08.04 | radhus | i have configured bios |
| 14:08.12 | radhus | there is nothing more to configure there, sorry |
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| 14:09.07 | RaymondX | then your pc doesn't have the sleep / hibernate /suspend functionality |
| 14:09.42 | radhus | i can sleep with pm-utils |
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| 14:16.12 | RaymondX | im so dirt poor im only using a P3...sob |
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| 14:32.39 | rly | Why does Gnome tell me that my printer is possible not connected (while I can ping it just fine)? |
| 14:32.45 | rly | possibly* |
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| 14:38.38 | project2501a | what are the downsides of running debian, vs any other distro? |
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| 14:39.25 | jimmy_birer | Why not redirect ubuntu users to debian |
| 14:39.28 | jimmy_birer | and give them support too? |
| 14:39.32 | CcSsNET | downside is you will be stable. but using older versions of software generally |
| 14:39.33 | jimmy_birer | i love debian but hate these noobs |
| 14:39.52 | project2501a | jimmy_birer: you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it read the manual. |
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| 14:40.37 | jimmy_birer | project2501a:at worse it`ll be fun |
| 14:40.43 | jimmy_birer | to confuse noobs |
| 14:40.50 | project2501a | no, noobs are needed |
| 14:40.56 | project2501a | we are not going to live for ever |
| 14:41.06 | jimmy_birer | lol man imagine our kids |
| 14:41.07 | jimmy_birer | asking us |
| 14:41.08 | jimmy_birer | what we did |
| 14:41.20 | jimmy_birer | you`ll tell a story to your grandchildren |
| 14:41.38 | project2501a | the bad part is that ubuntards increase mediocrity in the pool. |
| 14:41.40 | jimmy_birer | "And then we compiled coreutils.....it was the 1337est day of my life." |
| 14:42.02 | project2501a | they do not offer anything additional. |
| 14:42.06 | jimmy_birer | yep |
| 14:42.10 | jimmy_birer | thats the problem |
| 14:42.16 | project2501a | that's one problem |
| 14:42.29 | AimHere | I thought the point of open source software was that there was no 'free rider' problem |
| 14:42.38 | dokma | is there a way to allow one user to delete all files of another user, current and future ones? |
| 14:42.48 | AimHere | More users are better, even if all they do is download and use the software |
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| 14:43.09 | jelly-home | points in the general direction of #debian-offtopic and coughs |
| 14:43.36 | project2501a | then you have the problem of canonical trying to save everybody from windows |
| 14:43.44 | project2501a | hey jelly |
| 14:43.45 | AimHere | dokma> well there's a user called 'root' that can do that now |
| 14:43.58 | jelly-home | dokma: sudo rights to run rm as the target user? |
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| 14:44.12 | project2501a | AimHere: "free rider" problem? |
| 14:44.46 | AimHere | project2501a, Yeah. someone who consumes a resource without paying for it |
| 14:44.48 | jelly-home | project2501a: hey move this non-technical discussion over there plz. |
| 14:44.51 | dokma | jelly-home: yes that should work |
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| 14:45.20 | dokma | jelly-home: I was kind of hoping there's some way to give one user all the rights of another |
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| 14:45.38 | dokma | jelly-home: so I don't need any aditional magic like sudo and similar |
| 14:46.11 | jelly-home | none that I know of |
| 14:46.59 | automaciej | packaging question: when I need write a custom install rule, which variable holds the DESTDIR value? |
| 14:47.34 | automaciej | I tried to find an example looking for "override_dh_auto_install" but didn't find one |
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| 14:53.46 | jelly-home | automaciej: try asking in #debian-mentors (on OFTC irc network) if noone answers here |
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| 14:54.11 | jelly-home | !mentors |
| 14:54.12 | dpkg | it has been said that mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
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| 14:54.29 | Coudy | where to post gnome-shell crash ? http://paste.jabbim.cz/5509 (problem with playing video) |
| 14:56.00 | pandar | Hello. I'm on Debian testing. Whenever I search a package by name in aptitude, I have to skip over many remotely related packages before I can find the one I want. For example, if I type "mysql" I am shown many mysql plugins and libraries for various apps before I can see the actual DBMS package. Is it possible to configure aptitude so that it lists the search results in descending order of number of downloads or installs? |
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| 14:56.51 | Coudy | pandar, use aptitude search packagename | grep <some filter> |
| 14:57.21 | pandar | OK, thanks |
| 14:58.52 | automaciej | jelly-home: thanks |
| 14:59.10 | CcSsNET | although what pandar suggested is a nice idea... the grep method is what ive resorted to myself |
| 14:59.22 | automaciej | 15:58 -!- automaciej was kicked from #debian-mentors by ChanServ [Invite only channel] |
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| 15:00.34 | pksadiq | go to oftc network, not here |
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| 15:00.58 | automaciej | roger |
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| 15:02.24 | project2501a | hey AimHere |
| 15:02.35 | project2501a | so, what is this "free rider" you are talking bout? |
| 15:02.42 | AimHere | Wrong channel |
| 15:02.56 | project2501a | ? |
| 15:02.59 | project2501a | LOL |
| 15:03.18 | jelly-home | project2501a: move it to #d-o or private conversation |
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| 15:03.49 | project2501a | jelly-home: sorry, wrong window this time :) |
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| 15:08.06 | mooglenorph | Hi. Is there a fulltext search engine that is easy to use from the CLI or from emacs, that I could index my home directory with? |
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| 15:08.31 | AimHere | grep? |
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| 15:10.03 | mooglenorph | grep doesn't maintain an index, afaict? |
| 15:10.08 | babilen | mooglenorph: tracker comes to mind |
| 15:10.29 | mooglenorph | basically I've been really impressed by using notmuch on my email, and I'd like something similar for my home directory |
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| 15:10.52 | babilen | Yeah, notmuch is great :) |
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| 15:11.32 | fredl | hi guys, I'm running KVM on two Debian squeeze host. I made /var/lib/libvirt/images on host 1 an NFS exported FS which I mount on host 2 |
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| 15:12.28 | fredl | when I migrate a virtual server from host 1 to host 2, I almost instantly get an 'end_request: I/O error, dev vda, sector etc. etc. on the console of the guest |
| 15:12.43 | mooglenorph | babilen: tracker looks pretty good, thanks |
| 15:12.46 | fredl | and the root filesystem gets remounted read-only |
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| 15:13.27 | fredl | is there any way I can fix this? I'm not sure what's causing it. |
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| 15:15.15 | valdyn | fredl: remount it read/write ? |
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| 15:15.58 | fredl | valdyn - that's what I would normally do yeah, but that's not how it's supposed to work when you do a migration from one KVM host to another |
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| 15:17.31 | fredl | it kind of defeats the purpose of doing a 0 downtime migration :) |
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| 15:18.08 | valdyn | fredl: yes, but I'm not a kvm expert, so I can't help. |
| 15:18.27 | fredl | n/p |
| 15:18.32 | fredl | already asking on #kvm |
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| 15:24.16 | fredl | which is of course quite dead on a weekend... |
| 15:24.50 | jelly-home | not so live, then |
| 15:25.00 | fredl | nope. |
| 15:25.17 | fredl | not live at all |
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| 15:25.26 | jelly-home | if I were evil I'd suggest paying $$$ for a working solution like vSphere |
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| 15:25.42 | jelly-home | but I'm not |
| 15:26.35 | fredl | maybe. Long time ago I heard somewhere that squeeze has a really old and crappy KVM installed, but don't know now. |
| 15:27.09 | jelly-home | that is probably true |
| 15:27.16 | fredl | you prefer vmware over kvm then? |
| 15:27.38 | jelly-home | not much of matter of preference -- I've never tried kvm |
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| 15:39.30 | corretico | hi |
| 15:40.15 | corretico | I need assistance!!! jejeje |
| 15:40.21 | technologov__ | ask |
| 15:40.24 | dvs | !ask |
| 15:40.24 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 15:40.44 | corretico | I'm trying to install wheezy from usb |
| 15:40.59 | dvs | #debian-next |
| 15:41.04 | dvs | on oftc |
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| 15:41.27 | corretico | on the Debian Installer boot menu, I press on Install options |
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| 15:42.16 | corretico | but... the following message appears: INFO: kbd-mode: setting console mode to Uniode (UTF-8) |
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| 15:43.40 | samantha-a | so i have a usb hard drive with a gorked ntfs partition i'd like to save. i've dumped the drive into an iso using dd. is there an ntfs recovery tool that would work on either the drive or the iso? |
| 15:44.09 | corretico | and installation dump!!! |
| 15:44.32 | fredl | hmm, I think I'm misunderstanding backports here. I added 'deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main' to my sources.list |
| 15:44.48 | fredl | then I did apt-get -t squeeze-backports install kvm |
| 15:45.41 | valdyn | fredl: there's no kvm in backports ? |
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| 15:46.13 | fredl | I'm searching for it now... |
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| 15:46.53 | fredl | how do I see if there's a newer version in squeeze-backports other than searching in the web interface? |
| 15:47.07 | valdyn | fredl: apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 15:47.15 | fredl | tnx |
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| 15:49.09 | fredl | hmm so if I dont see any mention of backports then it means there's no newer version in backports? |
| 15:49.27 | valdyn | fredl: yes |
| 15:49.36 | fredl | well... |
| 15:49.43 | fredl | *cry* |
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| 15:50.19 | dvs | fredl: update first |
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| 15:50.32 | Cyclohexane | how do i stop non-root users controlling apache? at the moment you can stop the server using /etc/init.d/apache2 stop |
| 15:50.45 | valdyn | Cyclohexane: you cant |
| 15:51.07 | fredl | yeah did that dvs, tnx. I guess there really isn't a newer kvm in backports :( |
| 15:51.31 | Cyclohexane | you're telling me it's impossible? |
| 15:51.47 | valdyn | Cyclohexane: im telling you that only root can stop apache2 |
| 15:51.58 | daemonkeeper | (on a sane system) |
| 15:52.24 | samantha-a | Cyclohexane, if your non-root users can shut down apache2 without using sudo, you have seriously fucked up. |
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| 15:52.41 | fredl | I say.. |
| 15:53.00 | valdyn | it should be quite some effort to enable apache2 to listen on a privileged port while being killable by users |
| 15:53.01 | Cyclohexane | how do you seriously fuck up using aptitude install apache2 |
| 15:53.11 | fredl | privileges? |
| 15:53.26 | fredl | dunno. |
| 15:53.27 | samantha-a | Cyclohexane, you tell us. you're the one with non-root users who can shut down a server that should be starting as root. |
| 15:53.33 | valdyn | Cyclohexane: maybe you only think that users can kill apache, but really they cant |
| 15:54.52 | daemonkeeper | $ killall apache2 |
| 15:54.52 | daemonkeeper | apache2(3508): Operation not permitted |
| 15:54.57 | daemonkeeper | Of course they can't. |
| 15:55.27 | Cyclohexane | /etc/init.d/apache2 stop says it's stopped? |
| 15:55.36 | samantha-a | Cyclohexane, it's lying. |
| 15:55.42 | valdyn | Cyclohexane: its maybe not started |
| 15:55.48 | samantha-a | ps ax | grep apache |
| 15:56.15 | samantha-a | no my system reports the same thing, but apache doesn't shut down |
| 15:56.27 | Cyclohexane | hmm yeah so it's lying |
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| 15:56.34 | fredl | lying bastard. |
| 15:56.43 | valdyn | so you guys arent running squeeze? |
| 15:56.43 | Cyclohexane | +1 |
| 15:56.52 | fredl | I run squeeze. |
| 15:57.24 | fredl | not going to run testing/unstable in any production environment thank you very much |
| 15:57.25 | samantha-a | yeah i'm using squeeze |
| 15:57.31 | valdyn | squeeze apache tells you this: http://paste.debian.net/151407/ |
| 15:58.16 | samantha-a | mine was upgraded from something or other |
| 15:58.16 | Cyclohexane | i'm running sequeze |
| 15:58.22 | samantha-a | so it may be a leftover |
| 15:58.28 | Cyclohexane | squeeze* |
| 15:58.42 | valdyn | samantha-a: its possible you are using an old init script |
| 15:59.02 | samantha-a | valdyn, yes, it is. however, the system is stable and behaves as i expect it to. i am thus reluctant to go mucking with it. |
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| 15:59.13 | valdyn | samantha-a: sure |
| 16:00.15 | rly | valdyn: I get gconf-sanity-check-2 exited with status 256 every time I log in (in Gnome). Do you know how to resolve that? The internet is already full of bug reports about it. |
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| 16:00.45 | woshty | what happened to debian-multimedia.org? |
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| 16:01.16 | valdyn | !dmm |
| 16:01.16 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 16:01.25 | samantha-a | so is there an ntfs recovery utility i should attempt to use to find a lost partition on a usb drive? i've dumped the raw drive to an iso (dd if=/dev/sdk of=file.iso) ... where does one start? |
| 16:01.44 | valdyn | samantha-a: try testdisk |
| 16:02.39 | woshty | valdyn: it just shows some logo |
| 16:03.06 | valdyn | woshty: works fine here |
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| 16:03.35 | woshty | valdyn: strange, i realized all requests i made were 404 and checked the page .. |
| 16:04.49 | woshty | valdyn: what ip does it resolv to on your connection? |
| 16:05.25 | valdyn | www.debian-multimedia.org has address 91.121.10.104 |
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| 16:05.33 | samantha-a | partition type 07 for ntfs? |
| 16:05.55 | valdyn | samantha-a: partition type doesnt really matter |
| 16:06.19 | woshty | lol .. |
| 16:06.31 | woshty | debian-multimedia.org has address 91.121.86.213 |
| 16:06.40 | woshty | valdyn: zours wokrs fine |
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| 16:07.26 | valdyn | woshty: try dig +trace debian-multimedia.org |
| 16:07.43 | valdyn | woshty: from my pov it looks like your name server is broken or just not yet updated |
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| 16:08.17 | mouseym | hi everyone, is it possible to apt-get the sun version of java anymore? |
| 16:08.38 | woshty | valdyn: it seems so, thank you |
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| 16:12.50 | rly | mouseym: this is not possible anymore. |
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| 16:13.53 | valdyn | judd: versions sun-java6-jre |
| 16:13.54 | judd | Package: sun-java6-jre on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 6-26-0lenny1; squeeze/non-free: 6.26-0squeeze1 |
| 16:14.02 | valdyn | judd: versions sun-java7-jre |
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| 16:14.04 | judd | No package named 'sun-java7-jre' was found in i386. |
| 16:15.10 | gonzaloaf | hello, when I try to delete files from Eye of Gnome Image Viewer and click 'Move to trash' I receive the error 'Couldn't access trash', can anybody help me please? |
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| 16:17.21 | arietis | hi, i'm trying to decompress archive i downloaded, here is the link http://www.ajaxplorer.info/download/ but i'm getting error like gzip: ajaxplorer-core-4.0.1.zip: unknown suffix -- ignored |
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| 16:17.40 | arietis | any ideas how to avoid it? |
| 16:17.46 | epsilon | use unzip |
| 16:18.07 | epsilon | it's not gnuzip |
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| 16:18.52 | arietis | oh, ok, thanks |
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| 16:22.27 | LordDeath | I am looking for automatic mail notifications as soon as new updates are available for my squeeze server |
| 16:22.49 | LordDeath | is apticron what I am looking for? |
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| 16:27.05 | belak | Is there a way to run a few commands on a computer without a screen, without an internet connection? |
| 16:27.38 | valdyn | !ssh |
| 16:27.38 | dpkg | [ssh] the Secure SHell; "aptitude install ssh" (<openssh>). Clients for other platforms include <putty> and <cygwin>. It's _unwise_ to enable both public key and password authentication. Firewalls to mitigate against brute-force attacks on your SSH server include <fail2ban> and <denyhosts>. See also <scp>, <sftp>, <ssh without password>, <ssh permissions>, <sshx>, <ssh linedraw>, <debug sshd>, <dropbear>, <ssh-copy-id>. |
| 16:27.51 | belak | valdyn: without an internet connection |
| 16:28.06 | belak | I've got an ssh server on there... I just need to get a dhcp lease |
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| 16:36.37 | weezelding | i'm having difficulties with samba 3.5.6 and debian 6.0.3. samba says the following when trying to start it: http://pastebin.com/8XTgZbFf |
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| 16:36.53 | weezelding | netstat -ln does not show anything listening on samba ports |
| 16:38.27 | belak | weezelding: what happens if you just restart samba in stead of starting it? IIRC, samba starts automatically when installed |
| 16:38.58 | samantha-a | is there a way to get testdisk to run on an iso instead of a physical drive? |
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| 16:42.34 | Daniel_ | hi |
| 16:42.37 | Daniel_ | im new here |
| 16:43.14 | Daniel_ | hello? |
| 16:43.34 | Daniel_ | waves hello |
| 16:43.39 | ratatata | hi |
| 16:43.44 | thewanderer1 | Daniel_, hi. if you have a question, ask straight away. just don't make noise :P |
| 16:43.52 | boudiccas | daniel-s; dont ask to ask, just ask :) |
| 16:44.09 | Daniel_ | ok, thanks guys |
| 16:44.15 | boudiccas | huh! |
| 16:44.20 | ratatata | i have a question.. How to make my debian SID |
| 16:44.40 | Bartzy | Hey |
| 16:44.46 | Bartzy | Can I install an older libxml2 on squeeze ? |
| 16:45.06 | jelly-home | Bartzy: to what end |
| 16:45.21 | Bartzy | jelly-home: There's some weird bug in new versions of libxml2 with php |
| 16:46.04 | jelly-home | Bartzy: how older do you need to go? Is this bug reported in Debian's BTS? |
| 16:46.11 | mstevens | is it possible for me to crosscompile debian-installer? |
| 16:46.32 | Bartzy | jelly-home : I want to try 2.6.32 |
| 16:46.35 | Bartzy | (meaning lenny) |
| 16:46.56 | jelly-home | Bartzy: I'd suggest doing it in a lenny chroot. |
| 16:47.00 | jhutchins_lt | ratatata: Take a hammer and beat on the hard drive. |
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| 16:47.15 | jelly-home | Bartzy: you probably cannot mix the packages |
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| 16:47.46 | Bartzy | ok, thanks. |
| 16:47.52 | jelly-home | Bartzy: is the bug reported in Debian's but tracking service and under what number? |
| 16:47.58 | jelly-home | bug* |
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| 16:48.11 | jelly-home | Debian does not track buts. |
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| 16:49.41 | Bartzy | jelly: You sure ? |
| 16:49.48 | Bartzy | jelly-home: ^ :) |
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| 16:50.01 | Bartzy | jelly-home: I'll search. How do you install lenny in a chroot ? |
| 16:50.15 | Bartzy | There's an easy way to do it, I forgot how. |
| 16:50.15 | jelly-home | Bartzy: you'd use debootstrap. |
| 16:50.29 | Bartzy | yeah |
| 16:50.34 | Bartzy | thanks |
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| 16:55.47 | Dolev | is there a way to disable the mouse wheel button from pasting things i copy? |
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| 17:00.04 | bfig | hello. i'm trying to run a program in a 32b chroot. i already installed all the necessary libraries for my program to work, but now i get an error related to DISPLAY |
| 17:01.09 | jhutchins_lt | bfig: I'll bet the user who's running the program is not the user logged in to the GUI. |
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| 17:01.16 | thewanderer1 | bfig, copy ~/.Xauthority to your home dir in the chroot or use `xauth +` |
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| 17:01.25 | CcSsNET | bfig: show us the error |
| 17:01.40 | ||Debian | 404 ;) |
| 17:01.42 | bfig | a friend told me i had to move that file, plus setting export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 17:01.48 | bfig | one second |
| 17:01.49 | CcSsNET | trolllololol |
| 17:02.42 | CcSsNET | you may need to do this prior entering chroot: |
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| 17:02.57 | CcSsNET | mount -t proc /proc/ /new/rootfs/proc |
| 17:03.08 | CcSsNET | mount -o bind /dev/ /new/rootfs/dev |
| 17:03.13 | bfig | first i get this error: Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. Using fallback 'C' locale |
| 17:03.15 | jelly-home | bfig: not "move", copy. Moving it away would make the normal system unable to start any X apps. |
| 17:03.19 | CcSsNET | and then chroot /new/rootfs/ |
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| 17:03.52 | CcSsNET | try this bfig ^ |
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| 17:04.14 | jelly-home | CcSsNET: there's no need for a /proc and /dev unless an app specifically looks for those |
| 17:04.30 | CcSsNET | well it was worth a shot |
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| 17:05.07 | jelly-home | bfig: that's a non-critical warning you pasted. It ought not to be the only reason why an app would fail |
| 17:05.22 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 17:05.22 | thewanderer1 | does the .Xauthority solution work? |
| 17:05.22 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
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| 17:05.48 | bfig | jelly, that is the first i get |
| 17:06.08 | jelly-home | bfig: pastebin the whole command line and the whole output of your app. |
| 17:06.16 | bfig | Display not found and PRINT_MODE not set to TEXT, aborting. |
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| 17:06.18 | bfig | ok |
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| 17:06.48 | honschu | Hi, I changed the /etc/fstab file, how to "process" this file? I don't want to restart my pc. |
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| 17:07.08 | rofer | Any suggestions on where to start diagnosing a problem waking up from pm-suspend? |
| 17:07.14 | thewanderer1 | honschu, `mount -a` will activate all new entries |
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| 17:07.24 | rofer | The pm-suspend logs don't seem to have anything helpful |
| 17:07.32 | bfig | http://hpaste.org/56254 |
| 17:07.33 | jelly-home | honschu: "mount -a" as root will make it mount any currently unmounted filesystems. Make sure some of those are not already mounted in different places. |
| 17:07.42 | bfig | jelly-home, ^ |
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| 17:08.17 | thewanderer1 | bfig, have you copied your .Xauthority to the target home directory? |
| 17:08.17 | jelly-home | bfig: is your $DISPLAY set? |
| 17:08.34 | bfig | ok, i have two problems now |
| 17:08.38 | jhutchins_lt | honschu: You need to unmount any of the devices which you changed if they are still mounted, then re-mount them. |
| 17:08.52 | jhutchins_lt | honschu: Rebooting will do that, but it's not necessary. |
| 17:09.08 | bfig | 1) i either need to know which is root's home dir, or to create a new user in the chroot with enough permissions to run that command |
| 17:09.17 | honschu | thanks a lot, I will use "mount -a". |
| 17:09.27 | bfig | i tried copying .Xauthority to /root but i have no idea if that's the homedir |
| 17:09.29 | jelly-home | bfig: echo $HOME |
| 17:09.37 | jelly-home | (it usually is) |
| 17:09.48 | honschu | By the way, to mount smb filesystems - smbmount is gone in debian. What to use else? |
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| 17:10.01 | jelly-home | mount -t cifs |
| 17:10.05 | jhutchins_lt | bfig: You need to run the command as the same user that's logged in to the GUI, to run it using the sudo utility for the GUI you're using, or select TEXT mode. |
| 17:10.07 | bfig | ok, it is... so that shouldn't be the problem. how should i set DISPLAY? is this ok: `export DISPLAY=:0' ? |
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| 17:10.20 | jelly-home | bfig: that is enough, yes |
| 17:10.22 | jhutchins_lt | bfig: Trying to fool the system is going to be a lot harder. |
| 17:10.43 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: why would he need to run the app as the same user? |
| 17:10.51 | bfig | jhutchins_lt, i don't know who's logged into the gui. i'm a newbie and this is a bit confusing. |
| 17:10.55 | jhutchins_lt | bfig: If you use the same user or the sudo utility it should detect the correct display. |
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| 17:11.59 | bfig | maybe i should tell you the whole problem: i want to run a compiled 32b application in an amd64 system. i need 32 bit libs, and a friend told me installing ia32-libs would be a problem... so i went for a chroot |
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| 17:12.46 | jelly-home | bfig: since it's an X app, if you choose the chroot you will also need to provide access to the X11 server socket in that chroot |
| 17:13.44 | jhutchins_lt | ... or just select text mode. But that would be easy. |
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| 17:13.53 | bfig | ok. So i would need a /dev entry and permission? |
| 17:14.26 | bfig | jhutchins_lt, how do i select text mode? |
| 17:14.57 | jhutchins_lt | Dunno, but the error message implied it was possible. (How would I know if I don't even know what you're trying to run?) |
| 17:14.58 | jelly-home | bfig: your app says something about setting PRINT_MODE to text |
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| 17:15.15 | jelly-home | bfig: investigate that option. |
| 17:15.35 | bfig | ok, i thought it was something inherent of debian/X/consoles |
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| 17:15.49 | jelly-home | frankly I'd go the ia32-libs route, it's cleaner than |
| 17:15.54 | jelly-home | bfig: mkdir -p /path/to/chroot/tmp/.X11-unix (need to be done only once) and mount --bind /tmp/.X11-unix /path/to/chroot/tmp/.X11-unix |
| 17:15.59 | fredddd | Would I need SASL with my single user mail server? I ran a mail server in the past without it, a tutorial I am following now decides to have it installed, but I do not know what it does, does it just allow for authentication profiling (decide what authentication is available and pick one)? |
| 17:16.04 | jelly-home | ^^ for access to X server socket |
| 17:16.17 | bfig | creates the dir... |
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| 17:18.18 | jelly-home | the socket is located at /tmp/.X11-unix/X[display number here] |
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| 17:19.00 | bfig | jelly, ok, done |
| 17:19.28 | jelly-home | bfig: so, is /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 visible in the chroot now? |
| 17:19.45 | bfig | jelly-home, yes |
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| 17:21.22 | jelly-home | and does your app work differently |
| 17:21.27 | bfig | nope |
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| 17:21.36 | bfig | by the way, my .Xauthority is just empty... |
| 17:21.43 | bfig | is that right? |
| 17:21.48 | s70rm | yes |
| 17:22.13 | jelly-home | bfig: zero length? |
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| 17:22.27 | bfig | mmm on esc |
| 17:22.55 | jelly-home | bfig: it's a binary file, what do you mean by "empty" |
| 17:22.57 | bfig | ohh no, 55 b |
| 17:23.14 | bfig | i opened it with vi, nothing appeared. it is apparently a couple bytes only |
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| 17:23.53 | jelly-home | use "less" to look at contents of a file, next time |
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| 17:25.27 | bfig | ok |
| 17:25.39 | bfig | still it complains about display not found |
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| 17:28.34 | bfig | is reading about X... |
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| 17:29.17 | jelly-home | bfig: install x11-utils and xauth in the chroot. Run "xdpyinfo", and if it fails run "env DISPLAY=:0 XAUTHORITY= xdpyinfo" |
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| 17:29.58 | bfig | installs |
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| 17:30.51 | jelly-home | bfig: which Debian release are you using? |
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| 17:30.59 | bfig | wheezy/sid |
| 17:31.18 | jelly-home | bfig: which Debian release did you install? |
| 17:31.20 | bfig | is that a reasonable answer? (or how can i find it if not) |
| 17:31.50 | bfig | i installed squeeze, then downloaded the sid kernel |
| 17:32.17 | bfig | wait, one second, i'll tell you exactly my kernel |
| 17:32.56 | jelly-home | bfig: you added sid sources to /etc/apt/sources.list? pastebin your "dpkg -l libc6 dpkg apt |tail -3" and /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 17:33.33 | bfig | in the chroot or the main system? |
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| 17:35.25 | bfig | jelly-home, http://hpaste.org/56256 |
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| 17:35.52 | jelly-home | bfig: the main system |
| 17:36.54 | jelly-home | so it's sid |
| 17:37.43 | jelly-home | I'm tempted to say "you're on your own" |
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| 17:38.10 | bfig | well, thanks for your help so far :) |
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| 17:38.30 | jelly-home | adding testing or sid sources seems so easy, but makes your OS an unmaintainable mess |
| 17:38.59 | jelly-home | will wait for xdpyinfo results instead |
| 17:38.59 | bfig | what is the 'no protocol specified' about? it appears in all the X error messages |
| 17:39.14 | bfig | xdpyinfo said this: |
| 17:39.15 | bfig | No protocol specified |
| 17:39.16 | bfig | xdpyinfo: unable to open display ":0". |
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| 17:39.47 | jelly-home | bfig: does "xdpyinfo" as normal user, outside of chroot, work? |
| 17:40.00 | bfig | very well |
| 17:40.10 | bfig | it outputs a lot of stuff but it looks fine |
| 17:40.54 | dondelelcaro | bfig: in order to use X in a chroot, you need to have .Xauthority, DISPLAY set, *and* the socket available |
| 17:40.59 | jelly-home | bfig: what about echo "display is ==$DISPLAY==, xauth at ==$XAUTHORITY==" |
| 17:41.17 | jelly-home | bfig: as normal user. |
| 17:41.53 | bfig | display is ==:0.0==, xauth at ==/home/bfv/.Xauthority== |
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| 17:42.47 | jelly-home | bfig: and in the chroot? |
| 17:43.50 | jelly-home | bfig: (XAUTHORITY ought to be unset / empty in there) |
| 17:43.58 | bfig | display is ==:0==, xauth at ==/home/bfv/.Xauthority== |
| 17:44.30 | bfig | that is a problem... why is xauthority mentioning my homedir? |
| 17:44.34 | jelly-home | bfig: in the chroot, unset XAUTHORITY |
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| 17:45.01 | jelly-home | retry xdpyinfo |
| 17:45.06 | bfig | display is ==:0==, xauth at ==== |
| 17:45.11 | jelly-home | correct |
| 17:45.15 | bfig | same as before |
| 17:45.28 | bfig | no protocol specified, unable to open :0 |
| 17:45.29 | jelly-home | bfig: "xauth list" in the chroot? |
| 17:45.47 | jelly-home | I have no idea what "no protocol specified" means, TBH |
| 17:45.49 | bfig | xauth command not found |
| 17:46.20 | jelly-home | bfig: huh |
| 17:46.25 | bfig | i'm installing |
| 17:46.38 | bfig | localhost/unix:10 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 563733c3605790e68a77659218c3b16c |
| 17:46.45 | jelly-home | :10 ?? |
| 17:46.49 | NikLP | is there an easy way to "properly" make a home dir for an account which I've already created without one? |
| 17:47.20 | NikLP | or is it just literally mkdir and cp /etc/skel? |
| 17:47.21 | jelly-home | bfig: what about "xauth list" outside of chroot |
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| 17:47.57 | bfig | localhost/unix:0 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 388a5f729a0f162f885256fea896f4a2 |
| 17:47.57 | bfig | localhost.localdomain/unix:0 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 388a5f729a0f162f885256fea896f4a2 |
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| 17:48.19 | jelly-home | bfig: you didn't copy the right .Xauthority file to /path/to/chroot/root/ |
| 17:48.47 | rgr | debian squeeze, shoudl it be using gnome-keyring or seahorse? Or both. The Wiki says its deprecated from gnome 2.22 yet its installed here on my squeeze system (as is seahorse). |
| 17:48.57 | bfig | ok let me try again |
| 17:48.59 | rgr | (gnome 2.30) |
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| 17:50.01 | Dulak | rgr: deprecated means it's still there but going to be removed in a future version. It's a warning to devs to fix their code and use something else. |
| 17:50.09 | rgr | trying to remove gnome-keyring results in the package manager prompting to remove all of gnome |
| 17:50.22 | rgr | "deprecated and replaced by seahorse" |
| 17:50.29 | rgr | so you think it should still be there? |
| 17:50.56 | Dulak | rgr: reread what I said. It doesn't mean removed, it means 'to be removed later' |
| 17:50.59 | rgr | Its just that I'm running around in circles here with different key lists. |
| 17:51.08 | rgr | I know what deprecated means. |
| 17:51.18 | bfig | jelly-home, i'm copying the root one and i get the same thing about bfv |
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| 17:51.43 | jelly-home | bfig: why are you copying the root one. You want the one from your user |
| 17:51.43 | bfig | or should i copy the other file? i'm getting lost |
| 17:51.49 | bfig | ok |
| 17:52.34 | jelly-home | bfig: source: the file that works and makes your user be able to run X apps. destination: the file that will make your root in the chroot run X apps |
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| 17:53.14 | rgr | the thing is I cant find any seahorse daemon listed. it says the seahorse ui is just a front end for gnupg (which is ok). So why say gnome-keyring is deprecated for seahorse as opposed to gnupg? Maybe I need to sit back and start again, its as confusing as hell. |
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| 17:53.33 | bfig | jelly-home, now display is 0.0, but i still get the same problems |
| 17:54.00 | Dulak | rgr: afaik gnome-keyring also used gnupg as the encryption backend for keys |
| 17:54.38 | rgr | yeah, probably. but now I see a seahorse-agent running but I know I'm using gpg-agent with keychain for caching passwords. |
| 17:55.11 | rgr | Ill see what happens when I tell gnupg to use seahorse-agent instead of gnupg-agent |
| 17:55.23 | rgr | or will I. eek. confused. |
| 17:55.46 | jelly-home | bfig: install strace in the chroot. "strace -oxdi.log xdpyinfo", pastebin xdi.log |
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| 17:58.38 | bfig | jelly-home, http://hpaste.org/56259 |
| 18:00.05 | jelly-home | bfig: ho-hum. is HOME in chroot also wrong? export HOME=/root |
| 18:00.38 | jelly-home | bfig: line 126 shows xdpyinfo looking for the xauth file in the wrong place again |
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| 18:01.24 | bfig | jelly-home, it seems to come with the Xauthority file i think |
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| 18:01.52 | bfig | since at any point i haven't let the chroot know i had a bfv user |
| 18:01.52 | rgr | Dulak: you wouldnt know how seahorse is started would you? Its not in rc2.d or in my startup prefs |
| 18:02.36 | Dulak | rgr: I think it's part of the X session, look under /etc/X11 |
| 18:03.46 | rgr | oh yes XSession.d |
| 18:03.54 | rgr | both seahorse and gnupg started |
| 18:04.04 | jelly-home | bfig: your root shell likely had a bunch of incorrectly set values, unchanged user's HOME and XAUTHORITY |
| 18:04.07 | rgr | gpg-agent sorry |
| 18:04.44 | bfig | weird |
| 18:04.55 | bfig | how would that happen? |
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| 18:07.36 | jelly-home | bfig: depends on how you become root |
| 18:07.49 | bfig | su - |
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| 18:08.13 | jelly-home | that should not have preserved HOME or XAUTHORITY |
| 18:09.00 | jelly-home | sudo on the other hand, seems to change default settings every few months :-( |
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| 18:09.55 | bfig | my friend who helped me setup the system told me sudo was a losing proposition and i should use su - only |
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| 18:11.06 | Dulak | bfig: it depends on the situation, sudo is great for limited root access, and it logs everything. su is unlimited root access and logs nothing. |
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| 18:11.40 | kleanchap | I am using iceweasel for surfing. Some of the web sites products are not being displayed. I am looking at some products at JCPenny site, the clothing colors are presented in thumbnails but the product itself is not displayed. How do I get the browser to show the products? |
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| 18:12.47 | Dulak | bfig: but sweeping statements like 'use only this, and never that' is the sign of a young/inexperienced admin usually. Not sure about your friend's reliability in that area, but you rarely hear sweeping statements like that from the old school guys. |
| 18:13.55 | bfig | Dulak, well, not in general... just in my particular situation i guess |
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| 18:15.12 | bfig | i don't know if he administered anything, but he really knows his linux. in any case i don't even know why i brought it up |
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| 18:16.00 | jelly-home | Dulak: was that a "sweeping statement" about the old school guys?!? |
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| 18:16.12 | Dulak | bfig: I don't understand though, because I have been using unix for 20 years and I use sudo almost exclusively, even to get a full root shell I use 'sudo -i' rather than su. The only time I really use su is as root to switch to a non-root user temporarily, or in a script. |
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| 18:17.58 | Dulak | jelly-home: maybe |
| 18:18.09 | bfig | Dulak, something i can't possibly defend or attack since i'm barely a newbie, even if i cared. I'm glad there are many ways to do things, otherwise the os would quickly lose quality |
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| 18:18.34 | bfig | a single perspective always leads to worse results |
| 18:19.07 | Dulak | bfig: yeah, it just struck me as odd a linux guy would claim sudo as a losing proposition |
| 18:20.27 | bfig | well, he's very comfortable on it, you would not believe the kind of stuff he does with them :) |
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| 18:22.46 | rgr | YOu dont believe becuase you're in awe. Anyone that says only use su is an idiot. |
| 18:23.04 | Dulak | Not an idiot, just trained badly |
| 18:23.22 | Dulak | You can be smart and have bad opinions. |
| 18:23.44 | rgr | I disagree. An idiot for making that comment and not having the nounce to self question it. I know the sorts. |
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| 18:23.58 | rgr | But I also agree with your last comment. |
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| 18:24.26 | rgr | "only use su" is not an "opinion" imo - its a "law" - had he said "I prefer su but make your own choice" - thats an opinion. |
| 18:24.27 | samba35 | how do i get httpd acess afer i installed apache2 |
| 18:24.46 | rgr | samba35: that doesnt make any sense. YOu need to be more specific. |
| 18:24.54 | rgr | You mean access a local web? |
| 18:25.04 | Dulak | samba35: http://localhost in the browser |
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| 18:25.44 | zykotick9 | kleanchap: do you have the non-free flash installed? jcpenny merch appears to work on my uzbl browser (but I bet jcpenny is using flash, perhaps gnash doesn't work for that site?) |
| 18:26.04 | samba35 | i am runing costam port 8050 but i am not able to acess http://localhost:8050 |
| 18:26.14 | rgr | did you open the port? |
| 18:26.20 | samba35 | but apache server run ok |
| 18:26.29 | rgr | did you tell apache to listen on 8050? |
| 18:26.33 | samba35 | yes i open that port in ports.conf |
| 18:26.42 | rgr | I mean in iptables |
| 18:26.54 | samba35 | no sorry |
| 18:26.57 | rgr | (dont know if its applicable locally) |
| 18:27.25 | rgr | whats costam? custom? |
| 18:27.36 | kleanchap | zykotick9, How do I install adobe flash? (hoping that it will work). What is uzbl browser? |
| 18:28.07 | zykotick9 | kleanchap: forget about uzbl ;) flashplugin-nonfree is a package in the contrib repo. |
| 18:28.23 | samba35 | i mean i am running apache on port 8050 not on port 80 |
| 18:28.42 | samba35 | i want to configure reverse proxy |
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| 18:28.59 | kleanchap | zykotick9, I will check this out and try to install it. |
| 18:29.04 | rgr | #httpd |
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| 18:30.18 | zykotick9 | kleanchap: BTW uzbl is a VERY minimal browser, following the unix philosophy uzbl.org (you wouldn't like it, or normal people wouldn't anyways ;) |
| 18:30.33 | samba35 | they are saying this is linux distribution problem |
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| 18:37.34 | bfig | rgr, i've always used sudo... i don't really mind either, since for me they are exactly equal. |
| 18:37.44 | rgr | they're not exactly equal |
| 18:38.20 | bfig | but should i care about that? |
| 18:38.32 | rgr | depends if you want to understand the reasons for su or not. |
| 18:39.40 | rgr | I know people who leave root windows open with su. Madness. But they have a level of self belief. And invariably they screw up. The thing with sudo is you can configure on a per command basis too. In other words its about as similar to su as white is to black. |
| 18:40.00 | Dulak | rgr: I can see it both ways, when training a new admin I will give them 'laws' or rules-of-thumb so they are not as confused, but in that situation I would have done the exact opposite and told a newbie to use sudo and not su, until they knew when su was appropriate. |
| 18:40.41 | rgr | of course and I agree. But to say they are dientical or "always su" is idiotic in the extreme and the person making that staement should be teaching anyone imo. Still, all to their own. |
| 18:40.53 | rgr | "should not" |
| 18:41.12 | rgr | hmm, Indian or Chinese--- |
| 18:41.24 | jelly-home | always indian |
| 18:41.39 | rgr | here in germany its hard to get a spicey real vindaloo. |
| 18:41.42 | bfig | i don't really see it as a bad thing to bring a bit of imperatives when you're speaking to a newbie |
| 18:41.46 | kleanchap | zykotick9, Thnx! The flashplugin-nonfree worked. :-) |
| 18:41.53 | jelly-home | rgr: pizza! |
| 18:42.03 | bfig | don't necessarily. why would i care about such security customization when i can't even make my programs run? |
| 18:42.10 | rgr | bfig : its totally stupid when the advice is totally wrong. And recommending su to a noob over sudo is idiotic in the extreme. |
| 18:42.11 | zykotick9 | kleanchap: nice. glad it's working. |
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| 18:42.29 | rgr | there is a reason for sudo. Read up on it and make your own mind up. |
| 18:42.53 | rgr | yes, it can get in the way, yes I do sometimes use su but I tell you what, using sudo has probably saved me a few times |
| 18:43.20 | Dulak | bfig: yeah but in that situation you got the exact opposite imperative a newbie should have gotten. Mainly because if the newbie uses sudo, and messes something up, and asks for help, you can go through the log and see what happened, and provide instruction on what would have been appropriate. |
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| 18:44.05 | bfig | that is reasonable, i'm not denying it |
| 18:44.10 | rgr | (as an aside, there aer a lot of home self styled "root hakzorz" who get a boner from living on the edge : these people are never to be admired or learnt from as they break every rule in the book since they see themselves as infallible) |
| 18:44.40 | bfig | w/e. i just wanted to run a game :| |
| 18:44.59 | rgr | why do you need su/sudo to run a game? |
| 18:45.09 | bfig | really, linux is too big to go around reading every command as a newbie and understanding every implication |
| 18:45.24 | rgr | its not call "global thermonuclear war" is it? Professor Falcon? |
| 18:45.33 | Dulak | haha |
| 18:45.41 | Dulak | Would you like to play a game? |
| 18:45.45 | bfig | i didn't... i had to chroot because i have a 32 bit binary.... instead of installing ia32 libs which i was told could break some other things i have installed |
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| 18:46.07 | rgr | bfig : huh? What are you talking about? This is not "every command" its about the core access method that could result in your system being hosed. Get some perspective here. |
| 18:46.10 | rofer | Where would I find where messages that are generated during resuming from suspend are logged? |
| 18:46.18 | jelly-home | rgr: chroot requires root |
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| 18:46.23 | rgr | fair enough |
| 18:47.12 | rgr | There can be no winner Professor.. |
| 18:47.32 | Dulak | rofer: dmesg should show the kernel messages, the log would be in /var/log/messages or /var/log/kern.log depending on what you are looking for |
| 18:48.03 | rofer | Dulak: Just trying to figure out what's going wrong, thanks |
| 18:48.20 | bfig | rgr, man, i'm barely starting :). spare me some heat :). i know about permissions and what you can do with which account etc, and how groups work |
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| 18:48.47 | bfig | but time to time, i can't suddenly understand the whole system, it is too big |
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| 18:49.59 | rgr | seriously what are you talking about? we were talking about su/sudo ONLY. And you stated they were identical to you. |
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| 18:50.48 | bfig | you were talking about the core access method... ie, the permission system |
| 18:50.48 | rgr | I pointed out they are not and you should read up on sudo so you understand rather than rely on yuor mate who is, imo, teaching you bad habits especially since you now admit to knowing little if anything about Linux. Its not something to be ashamd of but do be willing to learn good habits. |
| 18:51.13 | bfig | i'm already reading |
| 18:51.43 | rgr | fine, then spare me the made up nonsense about me bombarding you with the "whole system" as I did no such thing in any shape or form. |
| 18:51.48 | jelly-home | so did you make it work in the end, or not |
| 18:51.53 | Dulak | bfig: when he said core access he meant core root access, not core file access, btw |
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| 18:52.39 | rgr | gpg is really wrecking my head. I give up. |
| 18:52.43 | Dulak | rgr: you are being kind of harsh about it, you could leave off the insults and get the point across without making him defensive. |
| 18:53.14 | rgr | what insults? Please reread : he claimed I said things I never said. I am merely pointing out that making things up about what I said doesnt help. |
| 18:53.24 | rgr | anyways.. |
| 18:53.39 | bfig | in any case, i appreciate you all helping |
| 18:53.48 | rgr | but do consider sudo ;) |
| 18:53.55 | Dulak | bfig: g'luck man |
| 18:54.01 | bfig | but it seems i'll have to read about X to understand how to use the server inside the chroot |
| 18:54.07 | rgr | and good luck : btw chroot is hairy... lol! |
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| 18:54.29 | rgr | wowola, you're getting way out of depth imo.. still if you want to learn that way... |
| 18:54.31 | jelly-home | bfig: how did it go after setting correct HOME |
| 18:54.34 | bfig | i've installed one before and made it work for what i wanted... this is the first time that things get this hairy |
| 18:54.59 | bfig | jelly-home, but home is set correctly: for root (inside the chroot) it is /root |
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| 18:55.30 | guardian | hi |
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| 18:55.36 | jelly-home | bfig: does " strace -eopen xdpyinfo " show xdpyinfo opening the right .Xauthority file now, then? |
| 18:55.52 | bfig | the problem that i don't understand is why or how it finds my system /home/bfv/ |
| 18:56.18 | guardian | i want to store template files for nginx configuration. i'm not sure where to put them to adhere FHS. /usr/local/share/nginx? |
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| 18:56.30 | jelly-home | bfig: it can be either by reading HOME or XAUTHORITY variable, I don't know of any other way |
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| 18:56.55 | jelly-home | bfig: if you unset XAUTHORITY, and have correct HOME, things ought to work I guess |
| 18:57.05 | bfig | jelly-home, but what happens with the .Xauthority variable? does it hold the data of it's own location in the fs? |
| 18:57.15 | haole | hello there... i'm following a guide to compile a custom kernel in debian and it told me to add my user to the src group so that i can alter the files in /usr/src, but that didn't gave this user write permissions to that folder... what should i do? |
| 18:57.17 | jelly-home | bfig: path to file |
| 18:57.23 | haole | i don't wanna mess up my system by being root |
| 18:57.49 | jelly-home | haole: you need log off and back on to active newly added groups |
| 18:57.54 | jelly-home | activate* |
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| 18:58.25 | haole | jelly-home, did that, but this folder doesn't seem to belong to the src group |
| 18:58.30 | haole | it's a fresh debian 6 install |
| 18:58.56 | jelly-home | haole: ls -lad /usr/src ? |
| 18:59.05 | bfig | jelly-home, i manually edited the value of the variable and the output changed |
| 18:59.10 | bfig | ie, now it appears correct.... |
| 18:59.17 | haole | jelly-home, drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 Jan 8 16:42 /usr/src/ |
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| 18:59.28 | bfig | damn, it works :D |
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| 18:59.52 | somiaj | haole: drwxrwsr-x 6 root src 4096 Nov 30 22:36 /usr/src -- that is what it should be, not sure why your prmissions are off. |
| 19:00.08 | ignotus | hi, software look for libpulsecommon-1.0.so, but I have libpulsecommon-1.1.so, is there something that makes these kind of symlikns automatically? |
| 19:00.20 | haole | somiaj, is it safe to fix it by hand or is there some magic (like dpkg-reconfigure) that might help me? |
| 19:00.21 | somiaj | haole: chown root.src /usr/src && chmod 1775 /usr/src |
| 19:00.40 | bfig | jelly-home, thanks for all the help :) |
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| 19:00.49 | bfig | yay, i'm finally running dwarf fortress :) |
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| 19:01.06 | jelly-home | ignotus: which software? Which Debian release are you using? |
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| 19:01.40 | ignotus | jelly-home: it is squeeze, MPlayer, cmus, etc |
| 19:02.11 | jelly-home | ignotus: squeeze does not have libpulsecommon-1.1.so |
| 19:02.14 | ignotus | now they all report that they cannot open shared library libpulsecommon-1.0 |
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| 19:02.31 | haole | somiaj, now i'm in the src group, the permissions look right but i can't delete "linux" with my user... this is confusing |
| 19:02.43 | ignotus | jelly-home: huh, how can I query the Debian version I have? |
| 19:02.43 | jelly-home | ignotus: did you mix package repositories for different releases? |
| 19:02.53 | ignotus | jelly-home: of course! |
| 19:03.06 | somiaj | haole: the 's' means the sticky bit is on |
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| 19:03.26 | somiaj | haole: that means you can write files to the directory but you can only delete files which are owned by you |
| 19:03.27 | ignotus | jelly-home: ah I see, I have sid in my sources.list too |
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| 19:03.51 | haole | somiaj, thanks... i have a kernel that i installed from backports... maybe thats what messed up my permissions? |
| 19:03.55 | jelly-home | ignotus: sucks to be you -- upgrade to sid fully, or reinstall. Or try /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
| 19:03.56 | somiaj | haole: you could just chmod 775 /usr/src if you want to change that, but standard pratice is to use the sticky bit and just ensure that things are owned by the user you expect to compile the kernel. |
| 19:04.00 | haole | its just a fresh debian 6 install... don't know why it is different |
| 19:04.22 | jelly-home | somiaj: the "t" means sticky bit is on. |
| 19:04.36 | ignotus | jelly-home: lol, I think I will just create the symlink manually then:) |
| 19:04.55 | ignotus | never reinstall, never downgrade, that's the code I live by |
| 19:05.09 | jelly-home | ignotus: it likely won't work; the libraries are made incompatible for a reason |
| 19:05.18 | somiaj | jelly-home: oh yea, 's' is set user (or group) id.... |
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| 19:06.05 | somiaj | haole: how are in putting the kernel source in /usr/src you want this user to compile? |
| 19:06.14 | jelly-home | ignotus: your system, in its present state, cannot be supported in this channel -- so good luck |
| 19:06.31 | ignotus | jelly-home: I understand, luckily in my case my stuff seems to work (MPlayer and cmus) |
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| 19:06.43 | ircdearia | What is the path used in this distribution for storing game data files? e.g. for gentoo linux each game has its own directory in /usr/share/games/. I'm collecting notes for each distro so that I can collect a list of all possible paths to make sure to look in each of them for a particular game. |
| 19:06.47 | haole | somiaj, i just logged in as root and delete the linux symlink |
| 19:07.09 | haole | somiaj, now i'm doing things as a normal user and it is working... i'm just amazed that a fresh debian 6 install would be different from other people's system |
| 19:07.20 | haole | i'm trying to figure out what have i messed up here |
| 19:08.08 | fredddd | Whenever ejabberd has been running for a while and I do shutdown now -r my server never comes back unless I manually reboot it. =/ |
| 19:08.12 | fredddd | VPS through SSH. |
| 19:08.20 | fredddd | How would I go about and look into such an issue? >.< |
| 19:08.26 | somiaj | haole: you may have to track down which package put the link /usr/src/linux there |
| 19:09.10 | haole | where do i get an updated guide of how to compile a custom kernel for debian? |
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| 19:10.31 | ksuhku | haole, this is one way http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=36525 |
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| 19:11.19 | jelly-home | ircdearia: which game in particular are you looking for? Debian will pretty much follow FHS, and that means about the same place as Gentoo uses |
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| 19:20.40 | rgr | well, its all down to the games installer and we know what that can mean ;) |
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| 19:22.59 | dutchfish | haole, http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 19:23.48 | haole | how do i recreate the /usr/src/linux symlink? don't know which folder it was pointing too... ls /usr/src: broadcom-sta.tar.bz2 linux-headers-2.6.39-bpo.2-common modules linux-headers-2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 linux-kbuild-2.6.39 |
| 19:24.15 | valdyn | haole: why would you have that symlink? |
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| 19:24.34 | haole | valdyn, don't know... it was there before i deleted it :D |
| 19:24.49 | valdyn | haole: leave it gone, its useless |
| 19:24.51 | haole | valdyn, i was trying to build a custom kernel 3 to get my wifi working, but now i'll just try to compile some modules instead |
| 19:24.58 | haole | ok |
| 19:25.20 | haole | valdyn, but which folder should it point to? -amd64 or -common? |
| 19:25.23 | haole | now i'm curious :D |
| 19:25.33 | valdyn | haole: none of the above, its not there by default |
| 19:25.35 | symptom | hello. Im trying to play videos via vlc or totem, but Im not getting any audio. ffplay works, but vlc and totem do not. What can I check? |
| 19:26.00 | valdyn | haole: hmm, Im wrong, its there on squeeze by default it seems |
| 19:26.07 | valdyn | haole: probably for some legacy purposes |
| 19:26.08 | haole | valdyn, i have a fresh debian 6 install... it was there |
| 19:26.20 | haole | is there a package that maybe reinstalling will recreate it? |
| 19:26.27 | valdyn | haole: /usr/src/linux -> linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 19:26.35 | valdyn | haole: maybe, but again, its useless |
| 19:26.44 | haole | thanks |
| 19:26.46 | dutchfish | haole, it was linux -> linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 19:26.58 | dutchfish | haole, but follow valdyn, he is right |
| 19:27.18 | haole | thanks |
| 19:27.20 | dutchfish | ouch too late |
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| 19:28.54 | guardian1 | i want to store template files for nginx configuration. i'm not sure where to put them to adhere FHS. /usr/local/share/nginx? |
| 19:29.05 | symptom | ugh... nevermind.... pulse had my integrated sound set to digital output, apparently only analog works. |
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| 19:44.08 | simonlnu | guardian: why not in /etc/nginx ? |
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| 19:45.45 | raven^ | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/multi-arch/iso-cd/ .. is that what I should use as desktop version? |
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| 19:47.21 | haole | i have a dual boot with debian and fedora... the bootloader was on the fedora's partition, but now debian installed its own grub and i can't get fedora back... grub-mkconfig will detect the fedora 16 on my machine, but it won't write anything related to it in grub.cfg... what could i do? |
| 19:48.13 | nsadmin | raven^, what has you trying the multiarch one? |
| 19:48.44 | somiaj | haole: do you have os-prober installed? |
| 19:48.59 | haole | somiaj, yes |
| 19:49.06 | raven^ | nsadmin: Reason I ask is that I'm not sure wich version to use for desktop. multi-arch or just i386? |
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| 19:49.51 | LordTrev | Okay, I am trying to install Debian on this laptop, and hard drive and the cd drive aren't detected despite being supported by Debian |
| 19:49.53 | LordTrev | I've modprobed everything to do with IDE and still nothing |
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| 19:50.03 | nsadmin | haole, try update-grub |
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| 19:50.40 | nsadmin | raven^, all packages available either way... arch means your cpu |
| 19:50.58 | raven^ | Ahh.. |
| 19:51.04 | haole | nsadmin, tried before... i prints a line about detecting Fedora 16 Verne, but nothing appears about it on the grub menu |
| 19:51.40 | nsadmin | which did you install last? |
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| 19:51.49 | haole | debian |
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| 19:52.04 | haole | i also have windows 7 installed, and windows appears on my grub's menu but fedora won't |
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| 19:52.30 | nsadmin | my guess is the existing grub is reading another config (maybe tye fedora one) |
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| 19:53.00 | Coudy | hi, how to solve libc6 segfault ? I was googling and there are many errors with libc6 in debian testing, I've tried to downgrade libc6 to stable version 2.11 but this version has segfault too |
| 19:53.38 | simonlnu | um, you'll just break things more |
| 19:54.11 | guardian | simonlnu: don't know, those are templates i'll pass through sed and after token substitution it ends into /etc/nginx/sites-available/ |
| 19:54.39 | Coudy | simonlnu, that was for me ? |
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| 19:56.28 | simonlnu | guardian: i put stuff in include/ |
| 19:56.34 | simonlnu | Coudy: yes |
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| 19:57.49 | guardian | simonlnu: those configuration templates can't be used as is. they must be processed and token must be replaced with actual usable values. that's why i thought i would put them in /usr/local/share subdir but i wasn't sure it adheres to FHS |
| 19:57.54 | Coudy | simonlnu, I have upgrade libx6 back to testing, now I thinking if I should upgrade libc6 to experimental |
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| 19:58.13 | guardian | typically, those templates get transformed into real config files after my adduser.local script does all its logic |
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| 19:58.45 | simonlnu | guardian: sure. even if it's templating i put it in the config area, because they generate it. debian would put it where you wanna put it. |
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| 19:59.08 | guardian | also i was wondering |
| 19:59.23 | guardian | are there tools sysadmins usually use to process such configuration file templates? |
| 19:59.29 | simonlnu | Coudy: no, don't do that. that's not going to fix it. how about you explain to the channel what you've done and why instead? |
| 19:59.38 | guardian | i'm just using sed but well maybe there's something out there a bit less rough |
| 19:59.45 | simonlnu | guardian: what you're doing is what they do usually ;) |
| 20:00.53 | Coudy | simonlnu, installed debian testing, then installed gnome-shell 3.2 from unstable, now I get segfault with mount command, mplayer can't play video with HW rendering, etc.. |
| 20:01.01 | simonlnu | guardian: i usually write a script or something |
| 20:01.03 | guardian | i was tempted to use http://mustache.github.com/ but it seems it's not really used by sysadmins, used mostly by programmers :) |
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| 20:01.27 | simonlnu | Coudy: why? |
| 20:02.06 | Coudy | simonlnu, I don't know why http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=74536 |
| 20:02.26 | rgr | using gpa instead of kgpg or seahorse shows a whole different key set up. |
| 20:02.26 | simonlnu | Coudy: no, i meant why did you install that? |
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| 20:03.44 | simonlnu | cannot find a free vt? wth are you doing? |
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| 20:04.26 | Coudy | simonlnu, because gnome extensions are supported only from version 3.2 |
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| 20:04.34 | simonlnu | how about you exit those other x sessions for starters |
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| 20:06.10 | simonlnu | Coudy: the underlying reason. why did you want to a) install testing? b) install something from sid? c) do you realise now that non-stable debian versions are not for newbies? |
| 20:06.29 | simonlnu | they require some basic understanding of how the package system works |
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| 20:07.31 | Coudy | simonlnu, maybe I'm not prof. but I'm using Linux several years, debian stable, ubuntu, I wanted on my desktop pc rolling release, I was long time with Sabayon, today I switched to debian testing |
| 20:07.50 | simonlnu | there is no debian rolling release |
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| 20:08.26 | jelly-home | rolls up one |
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| 20:08.37 | simonlnu | hehe |
| 20:08.38 | rgr | well, it doesnt stress the brain to realise he means testing as a "rolling" release. |
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| 20:09.15 | simonlnu | there is no debian rolling release |
| 20:09.21 | jelly-home | Coudy: testing can be made usable but if has a number of drawbacks; lack of security support for one thing |
| 20:09.25 | somiaj | testing is not a release, it just moves |
| 20:09.39 | jelly-home | except when it freezes in place |
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| 20:09.51 | rgr | err yes, we realise. But clearly in the context he means a "rolling" debian which Testing is. The word release is not trly accurate but its clear enough what he means. |
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| 20:10.33 | rgr | many people with more modern hw run with testing all the time. |
| 20:10.39 | somiaj | I find sid easier to deal with than testing, at least it gets security/fixes in a more timly fashion than testing, though I wouldn't use it for anything you need to work. |
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| 20:12.21 | jelly-home | rgr: and maybe they get security updates from upstream. |
| 20:12.24 | digilink | running lenny 64-it in a KVM install.... when I attempt to load the ipv6 module via modprobe ipv6 it can't find it, anyone have any ideas? I would thought this would have worked on a fresh install... am I missing a package perhaps? This is the kernel I'm running: 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 20:12.32 | jelly-home | rgr: or maybe their machines are not on the internets |
| 20:12.57 | simonlnu | regardless, how about dropping this meta stuff, and trying to fix his software problem? |
| 20:13.35 | jelly-home | digilink: ipv6 is builtin, compiled in, for that kernel version |
| 20:13.46 | digilink | ahh! well that 'splains it hehe |
| 20:13.48 | digilink | tnx :) |
| 20:14.02 | jelly-home | digilink: happened around 2.6.30 or so |
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| 20:14.17 | digilink | good to know... just now venturing into ipv6 :) |
| 20:14.46 | osdearia | jelly-home, the game is beret http://www.indiedb.com/games/beret/forum/thread/open-source and I see I previously requested for addition to debian wnpp, but I don't seem to have a link to the request for more info. |
| 20:15.15 | jelly-home | ,versions beret |
| 20:15.15 | judd | No package named 'beret' was found in i386. |
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| 20:15.19 | jelly-home | obvsly not uploaded yet |
| 20:15.22 | technologov__ | Hi, I'm developing automated Debian guest OS installer for VirtualBox ! Anyone interested to join me? |
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| 20:16.19 | simonlnu | ok, f this. |
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| 20:17.44 | simonlnu | Coudy: you might have been using it a while, but it's not showing. i would suggest you understand how the various tools, and how debian versions work before you go messing with things. there's a reason it's segfaulting, and switching glibc like that is NOT going to fix that. |
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| 20:18.02 | bsdunix | just installed from 6.03 amd64 gnome live img. i have wireless issues. iwlagn. Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 agn. saw bug report. tried downgrade of firmware recommended. what else to try for fix? |
| 20:18.29 | simonlnu | frankly, this meta-crap discussion doesn't solve the issue, you talk around the problem instead of solving it. |
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| 20:19.31 | Coudy | simonlnu, ok, I solved segfault with mount -a, I had mistake in fstab, now only thing is solve playing video with HW rendering > http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=74536 , but there isn't any segfault |
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| 20:19.48 | bsdunix | network-manager and wicd see no wireless networks on scan. device seems not picked up somewhere. |
| 20:20.17 | simonlnu | Coudy: good |
| 20:20.27 | simonlnu | Coudy: i'm happy for you :) |
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| 20:20.57 | bsdunix | apparently, this is a more than two year old bug that intel has offered no help with. |
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| 20:21.29 | bsdunix | same card in same laptop works fine with crunchbang |
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| 20:22.35 | bsdunix | would building latest stable kernel help? |
| 20:23.39 | somiaj | bsdunix: debian doesn't include the non-free firmware by default, what is your card, check dmesg. It could be you are just missing the firmware to run the card |
| 20:24.26 | somiaj | bsdunix: check dmesg / ifconfig -a (see if your wireless card is being loaded correctly) |
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| 20:24.32 | bsdunix | somiaj: iwlagn 0000:10:00.0: Detected Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN REV=0x4 |
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| 20:25.41 | bsdunix | somiaj: right, card not loading, as it does not show in ifconfig |
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| 20:26.14 | somiaj | check for other lines, might have something about missing firmware? |
| 20:26.17 | bsdunix | somiaj: thanks, will research non-free repo |
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| 20:26.19 | somiaj | (other lines of dmesg) |
| 20:26.28 | somiaj | yea its probabaly called firmware-intel or osmething like that |
| 20:26.57 | nvz | would anyone happen to know if I can run amd64 in virtualbox being that my host is amd64? |
| 20:27.00 | nvz | I |
| 20:27.13 | nvz | grr.. I've personally never tried it. Always use i386 |
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| 20:28.13 | nvz | I guess I'll just download the amd64 netinst real quick and find out.. heh |
| 20:28.24 | zykotick9 | nvz: yes (your cpu might need to support virtualization, not sure) |
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| 20:28.32 | somiaj | I thought the only limitation was you couldn't run 64bit guests on a 32bit host |
| 20:28.38 | somiaj | (but maybe that has even been changed) |
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| 20:28.43 | technologov__ | nvz, VirtualBox fully supports 64-bit (if!) - you have VT hardware. |
| 20:28.50 | zykotick9 | somiaj: you can even do that (if your cpu support virt) |
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| 20:31.02 | technologov__ | I'm currently developing automated guest OS installer for VBox... anyone to join me? Or at least try my work ? |
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| 20:32.58 | fredl | do you prefer vbox over kvm? |
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| 20:33.10 | jelly-home | somiaj: huh, that worked last time I used it (2009) |
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| 20:33.28 | technologov__ | y . ofc :) |
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| 20:33.37 | Maxou56800 | yo |
| 20:33.43 | technologov__ | VBox has decent GUI. |
| 20:33.43 | somiaj | jelly-home: its been a while since I tried, I might be recalling a limitation from before that. |
| 20:34.11 | ffk27 | kvm with virtmanager to |
| 20:34.14 | jelly-home | I found the thing not to be stable enough. |
| 20:34.26 | jelly-home | also the employer bought vSphere <3 |
| 20:34.26 | zykotick9 | technologov__: and KVM has decent cli ;) [and isn't controlled by a quasi-evil company] |
| 20:34.29 | fredl | jelly - vbox or kvm? |
| 20:34.32 | jelly-home | vbox |
| 20:34.37 | zykotick9 | kvm |
| 20:35.00 | fredl | hmm |
| 20:35.05 | technologov__ | zykotick9, company is not a big deal; The code is GPL, which is the ultimate insurance policy. |
| 20:35.37 | fredl | isn't that what they said about opensolaris? |
| 20:35.47 | zykotick9 | fredl: if you're interested in desktop style installs, go with VBox |
| 20:35.53 | jelly-home | technologov__: GPL is useless if the code is unreadable/unmaintainable |
| 20:36.05 | fredl | and then oracle bought Sun and the rest is history. |
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| 20:36.17 | technologov__ | jelly-home, what do u mean ? |
| 20:36.42 | rgr | obvious enought : crap gpl code is next to useless. |
| 20:37.02 | rgr | since the effort to port/maintain it is considerable for a company that pays its programmers. |
| 20:37.13 | jelly-home | technologov__: it doesn't matter WHAT the license is, if the code can't be taken over by someone else when the original team goes away |
| 20:37.25 | technologov__ | OSS community seriously lacked decent GUI for virt before VBox. |
| 20:37.36 | rgr | and then for it to remain gpl and given away in its new shiny format for the oppostion to take advantage of... whistle... |
| 20:37.45 | technologov__ | jelly-home, surely it can; In fact - anyone *can* fork VBox. |
| 20:37.46 | nvz | technologov__: zykotick9: no it doesnt support the VT its the Intel T4500 and I checked that when I first unboxed it.. so without VT it will not run amd64 then? |
| 20:37.51 | jelly-home | technologov__: I can't. |
| 20:37.58 | fredl | I cant either. |
| 20:38.07 | rgr | Nor can Brian. |
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| 20:38.18 | technologov__ | nvz, then not ^^. U should try openvz or go vbox+32-bit |
| 20:38.28 | technologov__ | jelly-home, why ? |
| 20:38.39 | zykotick9 | nvz: without VT you can't run KVM period, and i doubt VBox will be able to run 64bit (maybe), you could ask in #vbox to be sure. |
| 20:38.50 | jelly-home | technologov__: because I don't have years of expertise to be able to maintain it |
| 20:39.38 | nvz | zykotick9: I'm not trying to run KVM.. I am just asking if it would run amd64. heh. The amd64 ISO loaded but froze when I selected install |
| 20:39.41 | technologov__ | jelly-home, this is true of any big-size project; No one can maintain LibreOffice alone either... or FireFox ? |
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| 20:40.07 | nvz | I'll just use i386 its not a big deal.. I just wanna test wheezy real quick cause I'm gonna consider upgrading but want to see it first |
| 20:40.16 | technologov__ | jelly-home, I think one strong coder *can* maintain vbox alone, in the sense of updating to newest Linux versions and newest Xorg support. |
| 20:40.17 | zykotick9 | nvz: then ask the subject experts in #vbox? |
| 20:40.33 | jelly-home | technologov__: I'm saying you won't find a lot of people both able and willing to take over vbox |
| 20:40.39 | rgr | for free |
| 20:40.43 | nvz | just would've rather tested amd64 since its what I will use if I run it natively and there could be differences between i386/amd64 |
| 20:40.45 | technologov__ | jelly-home, But testing patches surely requires community effort. |
| 20:40.51 | rgr | that would be a full time job. Its a lot ov very advanced stuff in there. |
| 20:41.22 | jelly-home | technologov__: someone needs to write and understand these "patches" |
| 20:41.31 | technologov__ | nvz, I'm the guy from #vbox, so u can ask me :) |
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| 20:42.19 | technologov__ | jelly, maintaining vbox is mostly about patching it for support new Linux kernels (and X.org versions) |
| 20:42.38 | technologov__ | jelly, and one man can do this. (if he is strong coder) |
| 20:43.07 | technologov__ | jelly, regression-testing is ofc. more difficult job. |
| 20:43.13 | jelly-home | technologov__: that's a rather shallow view, I'd think |
| 20:43.34 | nvz | doesnt need to ask anyone.. just needed a simple answer and got one.. problem solved |
| 20:43.54 | jelly-home | technologov__: if you don't have anyone capable of adding new features, the project gets stale fast |
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| 20:44.26 | technologov__ | jelly, this is true; In my case I'm developing the new features ^^ (not from Oracle). |
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| 20:45.32 | technologov__ | +community friend developed one important feature last version... |
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| 20:45.50 | technologov__ | FreeBSD community essentially maintain their port alone. |
| 20:46.20 | technologov__ | about 4 ppl or so... |
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| 20:47.57 | technologov__ | jelly-home, OSS community now seem to have 3 major hypervisors; Xen/KVM/VBox. And I hope to see more collaboration between the peojects. They are unlikely to merge due to very different goals and scope. |
| 20:48.24 | technologov__ | (although all 3 were based on Qemu) |
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| 20:49.02 | jelly-home | yeah. I'd agree one man could maintain a vbox fork if that man was called F. Bellard :-D |
| 20:49.25 | technologov__ | ha ha :) |
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| 20:50.01 | nvz | why has my whole screen become flooded with vbox chatter? heh |
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| 20:50.28 | technologov__ | true; But unlikely. What is more likely is to have 4 or 5 part-time OSS hackers. If FreeBSD community can maintain VBox port by themselves do you have reasons to believe that Linux community will fail ? |
| 20:51.30 | technologov__ | Linux community is like 20x times bigger, in both users *and* developers. |
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| 20:52.11 | jelly-home | nvz: Sunday! |
| 20:52.16 | jelly-home | shuts up |
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| 20:52.46 | Dulak | They ported kvm to smartOS, And that sucker can handle load like no other unix I've ever seen. |
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| 20:53.46 | Dulak | I mean we are going from 15% load under linux to 70% load under smartOS with no noticeable difference to the end-user on the same box, just switching the OS |
| 20:53.47 | fredl | it's difficult to see the difference sometimes... kvm... qemu... libvirt... |
| 20:54.19 | fredl | and then there's qemu-kvm |
| 20:54.24 | fredl | and transitional pkgs |
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| 20:54.32 | xreal | I don't want to add the directory '12' to my 7z-archive. How can I do that? This doesn't work: 7z a -t7z -mx=9 -mmt=on 12.7z 12/* |
| 20:54.38 | Dulak | I always thought solaris handled load so well because of the hardware but it turns out it was solaris itself, not the hardware. |
| 20:54.41 | simonlnu | omg it's fredl. hi :) |
| 20:54.53 | fredl | hello simon :) |
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| 20:56.30 | simonlnu | xreal: go inside, and make the archive outside it? is there a strip-components like tar has? or make a tar then 7zip it |
| 20:56.49 | xreal | simonlnu: 7z is like tar.gz/tar.bz2 |
| 20:56.50 | fredl | Dulak - that's because Linux is a bad port of Solaris |
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| 20:57.00 | xreal | simonlnu: I want it from outside. Don't want to join the directory. |
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| 20:57.38 | simonlnu | i've used it a few times, it's nothing like that. for one tar preserves attributes |
| 20:57.41 | bsdunix | exit |
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| 20:58.57 | s70rm | xreal: tar -jcf/zcf archive.tar.bz2/gz directory/ |
| 20:59.19 | xreal | s70rm: I don't want to use tar and bz2. But thanks for the hint. |
| 20:59.41 | simonlnu | besides, why would you want to remove the directory? it's annoying having to unpack that, if it's a software archive. |
| 20:59.59 | simonlnu | if it's a backup or some other thing,i can see it. |
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| 21:00.58 | simonlnu | goes to read the manual for fun |
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| 21:02.37 | simonlnu | xreal: -t7z is the default btw |
| 21:02.49 | xreal | simonlnu: I know, thanks :p |
| 21:02.52 | simonlnu | xreal: try with -w |
| 21:02.54 | lasers | I'm curious about Unofficial Debian Multimedia. Do you guys or endorse it a little? |
| 21:03.05 | simonlnu | -w == set working directory |
| 21:03.17 | simonlnu | so, like -w 12/ or such |
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| 21:03.20 | lasers | Endorse isn't the right word, but would it be better if I compile my own XBMC instead of relaying on it? |
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| 21:03.40 | xreal | simonlnu: no change |
| 21:03.56 | simonlnu | xreal: also: DO NOT USE the 7-zip format for backup purpose on Linux/Unix because : |
| 21:03.59 | simonlnu | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.12 | xreal | simonlnu: I don't want to backup anything :p |
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| 21:04.19 | simonlnu | ok =) |
| 21:04.22 | philipballew | I have assigned a static ip to my squeeze server, however my router does not show it as being connected. What might be a cause of that? |
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| 21:05.18 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... which is more lightweight ... gnome or kde ? |
| 21:05.45 | lasers | Neither? |
| 21:06.04 | Coudy | simonlnu, solved, problem with fglrx, when I switch to radeon then everyhing works, but I want to use fglrx for more performance |
| 21:06.04 | philipballew | cobra-the-joker, try lxde or open box or fluxbox |
| 21:06.11 | xreal | simonlnu: the solution is: 7z a -t7z -mx=9 -mmt=on 12.7z ./12/* |
| 21:06.21 | simonlnu | xreal: doh! |
| 21:06.30 | simonlnu | xreal: \o/ |
| 21:06.55 | simonlnu | lasers: we suggest it to people for multimedia things. i don't think we "endorse" it per se |
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| 21:07.28 | simonlnu | lasers: but, it's certainly an acceptable repo. it's maintained by a dd |
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| 21:07.47 | lasers | simonlnu: I see. Also, dd? |
| 21:07.49 | simonlnu | cobra-the-joker: niether |
| 21:07.51 | simonlnu | !dd |
| 21:07.52 | dpkg | hmm... dd is an abbreviation for Debian Developer, or a utility for the low-level copying and conversion of raw data: man dd, dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a CD/DVD. See also <win32 dd>, <ddrescue>, <gddrescue>. |
| 21:07.59 | simonlnu | #1 there |
| 21:08.15 | lasers | simonlnu: I see. Thank you. |
| 21:09.12 | simonlnu | xreal: that's weird that you had to prefix it like that. oh well. not the first time i've seen that. a bit like rsync with ./12 vs. ./12/ |
| 21:09.45 | xreal | simonlnu: yeah. crazy, but I'm happy it works. |
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| 21:10.02 | simonlnu | me too |
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| 21:32.57 | trench | grr |
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| 21:44.40 | Freeaqingme | How can I see what iptables rule is valid for which interface when running iptables -L ? |
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| 21:45.12 | fredl | ugh. qcow2 images can be mounted on the host |
| 21:45.16 | fredl | lovely |
| 21:45.38 | fredl | live and learn. |
| 21:46.12 | unkmar | yep, cause you don't learn while dead. |
| 21:46.24 | unkmar | That's when you know it all. |
| 21:46.51 | nsadmin | Freeaqingme, by reading the output |
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| 21:49.14 | Freeaqingme | nsadmin, I have multiple interfaces. This rule: `/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 -j DROP` results in: DROP all -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 |
| 21:49.24 | Freeaqingme | there's no mention of an interface nsadmin |
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| 21:51.07 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions calibre |
| 21:51.09 | judd | Package: calibre on i386 -- squeeze: 0.7.7+dfsg-1squeeze1; wheezy: 0.8.29+dfsg-1; sid: 0.8.34+dfsg-1 |
| 21:52.07 | simonlnu | ,info super |
| 21:52.09 | judd | Package super (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: Execute commands setuid root. Version: 3.30.0-3; Size: 128.3k; Installed: 848k; Homepage: http://ftp.ucolick.org/pub/users/will/ |
| 21:52.18 | simonlnu | oh |
| 21:53.32 | Walzmyn | is there a way to make firefox/iceweasel show downloads in a tap instead of opening another window? |
| 21:53.55 | simonlnu | in a tap? tab? |
| 21:54.03 | Walzmyn | yeah, tab |
| 21:54.08 | simonlnu | i wonder, downloads on tap. interesting concept. |
| 21:54.14 | tensorpudding | in a tap, like those tun/tap devices |
| 21:54.19 | Chinese_soup | Walzmyn: try this https://addons.mozilla.org/en/firefox/addon/downloads-in-tab/ |
| 21:54.32 | simonlnu | visit a site, you click a tap, like beer or pop fountain, and out comes a download |
| 21:54.34 | Walzmyn | addons, didn't think of that. Thanks |
| 21:54.50 | simonlnu | yes, an addon. |
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| 21:55.11 | simonlnu | (you can steal the idea, btw, i don't care) |
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| 21:56.21 | simonlnu | tensorpudding: or, you have to connect via a tap device to get the download :P |
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| 22:28.01 | Cyclohexane | whats a good php cache? i tried squid but it's uses too much memory - i need something for a low end box only has 256mb ram |
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| 22:34.48 | arcticfaq | Cyclohexane: you can use nginx for caching |
| 22:35.15 | arcticfaq | it has a small footprint |
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| 22:36.00 | babilen | quotemstr: yes |
| 22:36.51 | quotemstr | Thanks. |
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| 22:51.03 | Bartzy | Hey |
| 22:51.04 | pzn | an directory reached the size of 40Mb (about 300k files inside it). now I removed the files, but the directory is still big (meaning "ls is slow"). any ext3 tool to run for that? or recreate the directory is the better solution. |
| 22:51.04 | Bartzy | netstat -plant | wc -l gives me 19,000. Is it possible I'm hitting some limit ? |
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| 22:57.21 | jelly-home | Hey Bartzy, why do you ask? |
| 22:57.37 | Bartzy | jelly-home: Because I see some weird packet loss (I think). |
| 22:57.41 | Bartzy | How can I check for packet loss ? |
| 22:59.21 | simonlnu | pzn: fsck with some slightly unusual options can do that |
| 22:59.57 | pzn | simonlnu, well... will recreate the dir then... fsck will make me have some downtime :-) |
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| 23:00.40 | simonlnu | pzn: sometimes if it's not critical, i'll make a similar directory (same perms etc), mv everything out of the old one, into the new one, rmdir the old one and rename the new one. the dir ends up being a little smaller usually |
| 23:01.32 | pzn | Bartzy, this must not be exactly what you want, but it may help "iperf -s" in one host, "iperf -c 1.2.3.4" in the other host (1.2.3.4 is the IP of the host that you did iperf -s. |
| 23:02.01 | pzn | simonlnu, from 40Mb to 120kb :-) nice... now "ls" is just a few miliseconds instead of some seconds. |
| 23:02.27 | simonlnu | quite a difference ;) |
| 23:03.24 | Bartzy | jelly-home: ? |
| 23:03.33 | jelly-home | dunno |
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| 23:04.52 | Bartzy | :( |
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| 23:05.37 | jelly-home | Bartzy: what kinds of servcies are you running? What does not correctly? |
| 23:06.02 | jelly-home | also, try asking in ##networking |
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| 23:06.26 | corretico | help!!!! everytime when I try to install wheezy, I get the following message: "info kbd-mode setting console mode to unicode" and installation dump!! |
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| 23:06.54 | corretico | I try in my laptop, in my desktop, on a vmware... and the same message |
| 23:06.56 | Bartzy | jelly-home: web server |
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| 23:07.30 | jelly-home | Bartzy: which web server? How does it fail? HAve you checked its own limits? |
| 23:07.47 | simonlnu | corretico: install squeeze instead? you might consider filing a bug on d-i too |
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| 23:08.42 | simonlnu | corretico: might be called "debian-installer" in the BTS, i don't recall. one of these gentle people can correct me ;). |
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| 23:15.18 | Bartzy | jelly-home: nginx. It doesn't fail. I see a lot of TCP DROP in my firewall log, although my firewall rules didn't specify dropping those packets. It only happens when there's a lot of load. |
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| 23:18.02 | jhutchins | On KDE, how do I re-scan the USB bus to reconnect a device I've ejected without having to unplug it and plug it back in? |
| 23:18.45 | streuner_ | sure, unplug and plug it back should do the job, IMO |
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| 23:19.08 | streuner_ | oh, you mean without it, hm |
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| 23:20.20 | arcticfaq | uses nginx as well |
| 23:20.22 | streuner_ | jhutchins: why so complicated? Its not a production server, so... |
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| 23:24.10 | jrgong | I have a stupid question, there anyway to get apt to stop bitching about percieved broken dependencies without doing an apt-get -f install? |
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| 23:24.53 | streuner_ | sure, in theory just use stable :-) |
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| 23:26.10 | jrgong | that directed at me streuner_ ? |
| 23:26.24 | streuner_ | who else? |
| 23:26.25 | phogg | jrgong: don't force things to install |
| 23:26.54 | jrgong | wasnt sure if I was walking into an existing convo |
| 23:27.09 | streuner_ | jrgong: it would be better you show us the whole error and your sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 23:27.46 | jrgong | well lemme give you more background, and I apologize for slow typing, broke a wrist snowboarding |
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| 23:27.52 | jrgong | appreciate the help |
| 23:28.37 | sammy | does xen use acpi to send shutdown messages when the host machine is active? acpid is installed on a vps I'm using, but isn't depended on by anything else installed. |
| 23:28.54 | sammy | wow sorry that was convoluted. I hope someone still understood what I was trying to say. |
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| 23:29.47 | jrgong | I manually installed a deb package that happens to be the same name of another application in my repositories, but the author of the deb set a funny name for a dependency, i.e. it is a different name in my repos, so I just did a sudo dpkg -i --force depends |
| 23:30.38 | jrgong | but now apt keeps complaining that it cannot meet this dependency, and doing apt-get -f install just installs an app I dont want |
| 23:30.59 | streuner_ | just purge the deb now |
| 23:31.22 | streuner_ | if it doesnt fulfull the depends its useless, anyway... |
| 23:31.31 | jrgong | it does though |
| 23:31.33 | jrgong | it works |
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| 23:31.52 | streuner_ | in order to give you headaches with your deb system? |
| 23:31.56 | jrgong | it just has a differernt name fir the dependency I have...if that makes sense |
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| 23:32.19 | jrgong | well it is an pp that is a nightmare to install from source...... |
| 23:32.22 | jrgong | app* |
| 23:32.35 | streuner_ | jrgong: just paste the whole details in a pastebin, we need more details about |
| 23:33.03 | jrgong | k |
| 23:33.58 | jhutchins | ,versions calibre |
| 23:33.59 | judd | Package: calibre on i386 -- squeeze: 0.7.7+dfsg-1squeeze1; wheezy: 0.8.29+dfsg-1; sid: 0.8.34+dfsg-1 |
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| 23:36.01 | jrgong | http://pastebin.com/zNepP9f2 |
| 23:36.28 | jrgong | hope that makes since |
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| 23:37.50 | streuner_ | , versions pylibpcap |
| 23:37.51 | judd | No package named 'pylibpcap' was found in i386. |
| 23:37.52 | jrgong | loki_0.2.7-1_amd64.deb is the deb I forced installed ignoring dependecies |
| 23:38.19 | jrgong | on my ubuntu system pylibpcap is called python-libpcap |
| 23:38.49 | jhutchins | ...and people wonder why they can't just ask us here how to fix Ubuntu. |
| 23:39.05 | jrgong | geez, its not an ubuntu issue |
| 23:39.21 | streuner_ | its just an deb question, right :-) |
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| 23:39.35 | streuner_ | s/deb/dpkg/ |
| 23:39.48 | jrgong | right! |
| 23:40.04 | jrgong | I knew I would get shit for mentioning the U-word in here ;)O |
| 23:40.08 | jrgong | ;) |
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| 23:40.38 | jrgong | so any ideas? |
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| 23:41.33 | jrgong | or just live with having an app named loki I don't want |
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| 23:44.28 | jrgong | there is no way to tell apt/dpkg just dont worry about it? |
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| 23:45.21 | streuner_ | if you dont want a dpkg based system, just install it from source... |
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| 23:45.37 | jrgong | I tried, it defeated me |
| 23:45.44 | streuner_ | but otherwise dpkg wouldnt make much sense then |
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| 23:46.39 | jrgong | k, was just hoping for a magic incantation to make it all better, appreciate the help' |
| 23:47.07 | jrgong | apt-get -f install it is :P |
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| 23:48.09 | jhutchins | jrgong: So are you trying to fix someting on a Debian system or what? |
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| 23:48.51 | jhutchins | streuner_: I want a clicky button to do it for me! |
| 23:49.03 | streuner_ | jhutchins: he just dont told us about his sources.list... |
| 23:49.14 | streuner_ | s/dont/doesnt/ |
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| 23:49.35 | jrgong | what good will my sources.list do exactly? |
| 23:50.19 | jhutchins | jrgong: It might help us figure out why apt is complaining of an unmet dependency - that is your issue, isn't it? |
| 23:50.39 | jrgong | pylibcap doesn't exist |
| 23:51.23 | jrgong | the deb packager set it as a dependency even though it is refeered to as python-libpcap |
| 23:51.36 | jrgong | in the repos |
| 23:52.06 | jhutchins | jrgong: Did you mix packages from different distributions or something? |
| 23:52.13 | jrgong | no |
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| 23:52.32 | jrgong | pulled a single deb from a dudes website |
| 23:52.35 | streuner_ | How about to show us your sources.list? |
| 23:52.40 | jrgong | k |
| 23:52.50 | streuner_ | thats usually a bad idea, IMO |
| 23:53.03 | streuner_ | or it comes from a DD |
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| 23:54.04 | jhutchins | jrgong: So, guessing here since you won't tell us, sounds like you maybe pulled an Ubuntu deb from a randome web site and installed in on Debian, or vice versa, and want us to help you figure out how to fool dpkg into thinking you haven't broken your system. |
| 23:54.11 | jrgong | I know, but I spent about 3hrs trying to compile from source and after fixing a bunch of shit to get it to compile I ended up with weird shared library resolution issues when running the app |
| 23:54.21 | jhutchins | !equivalents |
| 23:54.37 | fortress | anyone know how to add additional desktop spaces to gnome 3 on wheezy? |
| 23:54.40 | jrgong | geez jhutchins, relax I will give you mor sources |
| 23:55.01 | jrgong | I broke a wrist typing with one hand, I appreciate your help |
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| 23:55.55 | jhutchins | jrgong: There's actually a way to tell dpkg that a package is installed when it isn't, for just this sort of situation (usually when a dep is installed from source or recompiled). |
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| 23:56.08 | jhutchins | jrgong: Unfortunately I don't know what the method is. |
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| 23:56.13 | jhutchins | jrgong: Could be in the dpkg manpage. |
| 23:56.15 | jrgong | I am using stock sources.list that comes with ubuntu server11.10 plus one extra repo for the graphics driver that doesn't even work i.e. they dont have a repo for my distro |
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| 23:56.33 | babilen | !equivs |
| 23:56.33 | alex- | What is more secure, root account, su - or sudo ? |
| 23:56.33 | dpkg | equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. aptitude install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>. |
| 23:56.45 | jrgong | oooohh!! |
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| 23:57.03 | philipp | he nerds |
| 23:57.04 | babilen | jrgong: Why are you asking in #debian if you are using Ubuntu? There are #ubuntu and #ubuntu-server channels. Please take it there as we can and will not support Ubuntu. |
| 23:57.11 | jhutchins | jrgong: The fact that the Ubuntu packages and the Debian packages are named differently should give you a clue. They are different packages, it is a different system, what will work on Debian won't necessarily work on Ubuntu any more than it will work on RedHat. |
| 23:57.16 | philipp | is there a way to terminate mouse acceleration compleatly? |
| 23:57.54 | jhutchins | jrgong: Just because Debian uses dpkg doesn't mean it's even got the same options. We really CAN'T help you! |
| 23:58.25 | babilen | Lets move on |
| 23:58.29 | jrgong | thanks babilen |
| 23:58.48 | jhutchins | babilen: Thanks, that's what I was looking for. |
| 23:59.29 | babilen | jrgong: Unfortunate really -- I would strongly suggest to ask Ubuntu questions in one of the many Ubuntu channels in the future. |
