| 00:00.28 | streuner_ | he thought we have a magic tric in order to work for everything |
| 00:00.35 | crn | where are cameras automatically mounted on squeeze? |
| 00:00.47 | jrgong | sure thing, I just find it is easy to get drowned out in the noob noiseuntu channels, sorry for asking here I will keep it mind in the future |
| 00:00.52 | jhutchins | Wait, you not only want an incorrect answer, you want a SPECIFIC incorrect answer? |
| 00:00.59 | jrgong | that was sarcasm streuner_ |
| 00:01.06 | babilen | crn: Cameras are not mounted, but you are probably looking for something like /dev/video0 |
| 00:01.09 | alex- | What is more secure, root account, su - or sudo ? |
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| 00:01.37 | philipp | is there a way to terminate mouse acceleration compleatly? |
| 00:02.01 | crn | babilen, it looks like a mounted file system, but I can't find the mount point |
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| 00:02.47 | babilen | jrgong: /msg me if you want to discuss this -- There is #ubuntu-server if you are looking for a different Ubuntu channel. Support is IMHO also an important aspect when you choose a distribution and you are naturally free to install Debian and come here. We are very very unhappy if people who run Ubuntu come here for support. |
| 00:03.22 | babilen | crn: Camera as in a photographic one? (as opposed to a webcam?) |
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| 00:03.46 | crn | babilen, yes. a canon G12 |
| 00:04.25 | babilen | crn: Ah, yes. That might have been automounted by your desktop environment and you will most likely find it in /media somewhere. "mount" should list all currently mounted filesystems. |
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| 00:05.06 | alex- | What is more secure, root account, su - or sudo ? |
| 00:05.38 | streuner_ | in which way secure? |
| 00:06.07 | streuner_ | you use sudo in order to give an user root access, and you log in as root to become root... |
| 00:06.14 | streuner_ | thats totally different... |
| 00:06.49 | jrgong | using sudo usually always leaves a log, so it is better than su'ing to root if that is what you are getting at |
| 00:06.49 | streuner_ | if you willing to give a user root access, i would say its more unsecure |
| 00:06.51 | crn | babilen, I thought so too. But nothing there has the camera. shotwell sees the camera's card, the graphical file manager sees it too. But mount does not show it, as far as I can tell. |
| 00:07.42 | philipp | is there a way to terminate mouse acceleration compleatly? |
| 00:07.43 | babilen | crn: Please "go" to the camera in your graphical filemanager (nautilus?) and hit CTRL-L -- That should give you the path. |
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| 00:08.09 | crn | babilen, thanks |
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| 00:10.07 | streuner_ | alex-: sudo is able to give an user for certain commands root access, but not for all |
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| 00:11.58 | alex- | what do you mean with not for all streuner_ ? |
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| 00:12.20 | streuner_ | alex-: well, s(he) isnt able to act as root |
| 00:12.27 | alex- | why would you want to do that? |
| 00:12.41 | streuner_ | to use sudo? |
| 00:12.50 | fd-balder | mape, problem solved? |
| 00:12.53 | alex- | no, i mean |
| 00:12.55 | alex- | if you have sudo |
| 00:12.59 | alex- | why would you need to use root account? |
| 00:13.25 | streuner_ | alex-: to able to deal with everything |
| 00:13.31 | alex- | you can with sudo |
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| 00:14.12 | simonlnu | fd-balder: as it turns out yes |
| 00:14.21 | alex- | right? |
| 00:14.39 | simonlnu | fd-balder: it was grub, newer one fixed it |
| 00:15.12 | streuner_ | alex-: in Debian you would to configure every single user and every single command for that, its a PITA, IMO |
| 00:15.26 | alex- | ah |
| 00:15.32 | alex- | and what about root account vs su - command |
| 00:15.40 | simonlnu | fd-balder: was able to fix the kernel, purge the old .26 one, and eventually get to installing udev, updated packages |
| 00:16.06 | simonlnu | alex-: su means switch user |
| 00:16.39 | simonlnu | "su -" means switch to root, with a lgoin shell |
| 00:16.45 | simonlnu | login* |
| 00:16.49 | babilen | alex-: After "su -" you *are* working as the root user. It is just a different way to "login" |
| 00:17.11 | simonlnu | that's why you give root's password for that ;) |
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| 00:17.56 | alex- | give root password.. I thought I was filling in my own ppassword |
| 00:18.06 | philipp | guys where the hell can i kill that fucking anoying mouse acceleration compleatly -.- |
| 00:18.10 | babilen | alex-: There are a couple of reasons why you might want to use sudo. Not having to hand out the root password, having a complete audit trail, being able to restrict privileges to certain commands, ... are probably the most important ones. (at leat they pop into my head now) |
| 00:18.14 | simonlnu | for su - ? no |
| 00:18.25 | alex- | Is it also possible to disable the root account and only allow login via su - ? |
| 00:18.28 | sonnie | hi there,i'm using 6.0 wheezy. audacity & sweep both reports: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-R7HKrXycC5: |
| 00:18.42 | simonlnu | alex-: those statements are mutually exclusive |
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| 00:19.00 | babilen | philipp: More details needed (which DE/WM/...) -- Apparently nobody knows or can't draw conclusions based on the minimal information you provided. |
| 00:19.32 | sonnie | dbus version: 1.4.16-1 |
| 00:19.44 | simonlnu | sonnie: whatever is spitting that out can't connect to dbus on that socket |
| 00:20.02 | philipp | babilen debian squeeze... the same i was here for my driver |
| 00:20.13 | simonlnu | usually that means the socket is dead, and you need to update the environment variable |
| 00:20.17 | philipp | babilen gnome debian squeeze |
| 00:20.34 | simonlnu | sonnie: FYI, debian 6.0.x is not wheezy |
| 00:20.36 | philipp | gdm |
| 00:20.52 | simonlnu | points at the /topic |
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| 00:21.10 | sonnie | simonlnu: what's the solution about dbus? |
| 00:21.14 | babilen | philipp: You can configure mouse/trackpad acceleration in the gnome control center. (System → Mouse or so) |
| 00:21.26 | alex- | simonlnu: what do you mean? |
| 00:21.29 | simonlnu | sonnie: i said it already, scroll up |
| 00:21.34 | mape | fd-balder: yup, update sources urls to wheezy, download kernel, dpkg install it, wait forever for grub to work it out, apitude update/safe-upgrade and then aptitude purge the old kernel |
| 00:21.51 | simonlnu | alex-: a disabled root account means you *CAN'T* use "su -" |
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| 00:21.59 | alex- | No, I mean |
| 00:22.04 | alex- | Disabled login via username: root |
| 00:22.10 | alex- | first login to own account and then su - |
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| 00:22.20 | philipp | babilen i moved it to the lowest but its still there... i like gameing and im very sensetive "feeling" it when i aim |
| 00:22.28 | simonlnu | alex-: you can't do that |
| 00:22.35 | alex- | why not? |
| 00:22.43 | alex- | I don't want people to login on ssh with root account |
| 00:22.44 | simonlnu | i just said it, twice |
| 00:22.44 | fd-balder | simonlnu, allright, i recall you assisting quite significantly. there was a catch-22 situation, no? so the core of the solution was to remove the kernel and then install newer grub? or was there some relevant step prior to removing the kernel? |
| 00:22.55 | simonlnu | alex-: that's different. that's ssh. |
| 00:23.04 | alex- | simonlnu: that's what I want |
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| 00:23.08 | alex- | only allow su - |
| 00:23.11 | alex- | not root account logi |
| 00:23.13 | alex- | n |
| 00:23.26 | simonlnu | fd-balder: couldn't touch the kernel until grub was working. he eventually got everything going |
| 00:23.28 | streuner_ | alex-: look at the ssh config then |
| 00:23.49 | sonnie | simonlnu: i just don't understand why "connection refused" happens and how to solve it. |
| 00:23.51 | streuner_ | alex-: you just disable root logins |
| 00:24.11 | simonlnu | sonnie: 19:20 < simonlnu> usually that means the socket is dead, and you need to update the environment variable |
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| 00:24.26 | simonlnu | that env. var. is DBUS_SESSION_ADDRESS |
| 00:24.36 | alex- | oh lol |
| 00:24.39 | alex- | quite easy :P |
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| 00:24.41 | simonlnu | sonnie: you can fin it easily by starting a new shell |
| 00:24.43 | alex- | sudo is disabled by default? |
| 00:24.52 | philipp | bablien i can tell it... there still is acceleration. i found this side about it but im to stupid to do the suff there... |
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| 00:25.03 | babilen | alex-: You want to disable root logins via SSH in that case. "PermitRootLogin no" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config -- I would furthermore recommend to actually configure sudo, so you don't have to hand out the root password. |
| 00:25.06 | simonlnu | sonnie: find* |
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| 00:25.18 | streuner_ | alex-: NO, how many times we have to tell you, sudo is totally different thingie :-) |
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| 00:25.25 | babilen | philipp: Ok - I never had to investigate that and am totally unsure how to do this in Gnome. |
| 00:26.00 | simonlnu | philipp: open gnome-control-center and choose "Mouse" |
| 00:26.13 | simonlnu | and crank it down |
| 00:26.23 | philipp | simonlnu u cant disable it compleatly there -.- |
| 00:26.40 | babilen | simonlnu: philipp has been there already, adjusted acceleration to the most minimal setting but still notices it to happen. |
| 00:26.44 | simonlnu | you can crank it down to the minimum |
| 00:27.06 | simonlnu | then it's getting set elsewhere; he might want to check out xset |
| 00:27.34 | philipp | simonlnu if i turn around 180 degree on urban terror it still messes with my aim |
| 00:27.39 | simonlnu | xset m xxx/yyy |
| 00:27.39 | sonnie | thank you simonlnu! |
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| 00:27.49 | simonlnu | sonnie: np |
| 00:28.38 | alex- | babilen: I only need root pw for myself |
| 00:28.43 | alex- | streuner_: lol |
| 00:28.49 | alex- | streuner_: some things are hard to understand :P |
| 00:28.58 | alex- | but i understand it now |
| 00:29.17 | philipp | in my opinion such things as mouse acceleration are leading to things like add cause the brain learns to untrust itself (but thats offtopic i guess) |
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| 00:29.47 | alex- | Why do you think so philip? |
| 00:29.50 | philipp | bablien can u take a look on that http://www.linuxlog.org/?p=107 i am stuck on step 1 cause i dont have xinput |
| 00:29.52 | alex- | philipp * |
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| 00:31.04 | babilen | philipp: So install it? |
| 00:31.23 | simonlnu | !installit |
| 00:31.23 | dpkg | Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 00:31.30 | crn | babilen, ctl L gives gphoto2://[usb:003,020]/DCIM. I don't know this notation. |
| 00:31.36 | philipp | alex- i cant tell with words to be honest i have add myself and its a feeling |
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| 00:32.16 | babilen | crn: yeah, it hasn't been mounted but is accessed via the gphoto2 protocol (whatever that might be exactly) |
| 00:32.38 | simonlnu | looks like a usb id. dcim is probably device name |
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| 00:32.54 | simonlnu | gphoto2 scheme is their own crap |
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| 00:33.05 | crn | babilen, thanks. this is a worthy puzzle. |
| 00:33.08 | streuner_ | if gphoto2 supports your cam, it useful then |
| 00:33.25 | babilen | simonlnu: dcim is typically the directory name where the photos are stored -- and that certainly is a USB ID -- Just not sure what gnome uses behind the scenes to access the data. |
| 00:33.28 | simonlnu | an usb* |
| 00:33.28 | streuner_ | (no need to give special dev. names) |
| 00:33.30 | alex- | philipp: huh |
| 00:33.36 | alex- | i don't understansd what you mean |
| 00:34.02 | fortress | my audio is not working on my asus eeepy netbook after installing wheezy. it worked fine on squeeze. also does not start, and no outputs are detected by the system. how can i begin troubleshooting this? |
| 00:34.07 | simonlnu | babilen: *nods*. they use some daemon to access it. i have idea what protocol |
| 00:34.11 | fortress | *alsa |
| 00:34.13 | simonlnu | have no idea* |
| 00:34.26 | streuner_ | !alsa-checklist |
| 00:34.26 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <arts> or <esound> stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 00:34.34 | babilen | simonlnu: It's probably some GnomeVFS thingie, but I haven't programmed with that for ages. |
| 00:34.44 | simonlnu | yeh it is |
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| 00:34.50 | streuner_ | fortress: read <alsa-checklist> first |
| 00:35.11 | fortress | thank you streuner_! |
| 00:35.12 | simonlnu | that checklist needs updating |
| 00:35.24 | streuner_ | simonlnu: feel free about :-P |
| 00:35.56 | streuner_ | simonlnu: in which way, btw? |
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| 00:36.02 | fortress | had audio disabled in bios -_- my mistake! |
| 00:36.04 | crn | babilen, simonlnu i can't get the normal file system commands to copy from the directory (where ever it may be). |
| 00:36.23 | simonlnu | not sure why snd-pcm-oss is there. esd and arts are dead. arts is with kde3, and esd died around gnome 2.10 |
| 00:36.27 | babilen | crn: What are you actually trying to do? |
| 00:36.31 | simonlnu | fortress: doh! :) |
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| 00:36.45 | streuner_ | dpkg, factinfo alsa-checklist |
| 00:36.46 | dpkg | alsa-checklist -- last modified at Tue Dec 28 12:44:33 2010 by gsimmons!~gsimmons@chmmr.gsimmons.org; it has been requested 1708 times, last by streuner_, 2m 19s ago. |
| 00:36.48 | simonlnu | crn: what? no, just use export |
| 00:36.51 | crn | babilen, move a file from the camera to the hd |
| 00:36.57 | simonlnu | crn: oh nm |
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| 00:37.13 | simonlnu | ignore what i said about export |
| 00:37.14 | philipp | alex- in my opinion it occurs on such things like lags too... because the brain is thinking its doing someting wrong and tried to "repair" the misstake |
| 00:37.15 | streuner_ | even gsimmons isnt able to manage *ALL* factoids :-) |
| 00:37.38 | alex- | and then? |
| 00:37.42 | edju | installed nvidia-glx and somehow lost use of the kde application launcher. it's there in the panel, but there's no listing of apps. any advice, pointers appreciated. |
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| 00:38.01 | babilen | crn: And you can't do that within nautilus? I mean you can still mount the card probably (check "dmesg|tail -n23" and use something like pmount to mount it.) There might also be a way to convince nautilus not to use gphoto2, but *shrug* |
| 00:38.23 | babilen | crn: Check "dmesg|tail -n23" after plugging in the camera that is. |
| 00:38.39 | crn | babilen, ok. good idea. |
| 00:38.45 | fd-balder | mape, basically it was a matter of choosing correct source for updates, that was the first and most correct step? anything prior to that which you did and is relevant? |
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| 00:39.51 | LeLutin | when you install a server via PXE that needs an additional driver, how can you make that driver available to the debian installer? |
| 00:39.52 | lasers | Hi. I want to write a small script that'll move /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so to somewhere different. Basically, I'll sometimes opt for google-chrome with no flash. What would be the good directory to move it to? |
| 00:40.12 | mape | fd-balder: that was the first, aptitude update, dpkg -i rightkernelfile, (wait for ages for grub to finish) then aptitude safe-upgrade and purge the old kernel when all that is done |
| 00:40.23 | mape | the safe-update took quite a while fixing deps |
| 00:41.00 | Orphis | Do anybody know a good Linux VPN solution that works with large DNS queries ? (like 8k) |
| 00:41.04 | jordanm | lasers: just remove read permissions from it. chmod 000 /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so |
| 00:41.29 | lasers | jordanm: I see. That's even better. :) |
| 00:42.20 | simonlnu | done |
| 00:42.35 | jordanm | lasers: you can also disable fash from chrome://plugins inside of the browser |
| 00:43.17 | simonlnu | streuner_: check it out now |
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| 00:45.51 | martman | how can i update the contents of /dev? |
| 00:46.00 | martman | udevadm trigger doesnt work |
| 00:46.06 | martman | and i dotn have part probe |
| 00:47.04 | jordanm | martman: if the device supports hotplugging it will just appear, otherwise a reboot is required. what kind of device are you expecting to be there? |
| 00:47.25 | lasers | jordanm: Thanks again. I can't decide whenever to use the script (or toggle it myself). We'll see. I didn't know about chrome://plugins. |
| 00:47.59 | martman | jordanm: in a script im repartitioning a drive, but the new partitons are not in /dev |
| 00:48.05 | martman | fdisk shows them fine |
| 00:48.23 | jordanm | martman: install partprobe or reboot |
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| 00:48.55 | Harzilein | hi |
| 00:49.14 | Harzilein | i wonder if there is a public mirror of the dpkg factoids somewhere |
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| 00:51.15 | jordanm | Harzilein: http://ircbots.debian.net/ |
| 00:51.34 | jordanm | Harzilein: its not really a "mirror" though |
| 00:51.45 | nkuttler | !your factoids |
| 00:51.46 | dpkg | You can search my database on the web at http://ircbots.debian.net/ or on IRC by asking me about <help listkeys> and <help-listvals>. My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are there. See also <search>. |
| 00:52.02 | Harzilein | jordanm: i mean a mirror |
| 00:52.07 | Harzilein | and the url is broken |
| 00:52.21 | Harzilein | the ucr.edu one |
| 00:52.27 | jordanm | !factinfo your factoids |
| 00:52.28 | dpkg | your factoids -- last modified at Mon Jun 2 16:33:42 2008 by themill!n=stuart@unaffiliated/themill; it has been requested 432 times, last by nkuttler, 42s ago. |
| 00:53.01 | philipp | guys anyone any idea how i can get rid of that **** acceleration? |
| 00:53.55 | Harzilein | what i'm after is aggregating factoid databases from different channels so we can have those available in our more generic channel :) |
| 00:54.27 | nkuttler | Harzilein: ask in #debian-bots i guess. somebody should know |
| 00:54.31 | martman | jordanm anythign else? this is a livecd |
| 00:54.50 | Harzilein | nkuttler: is that here or on oftc? |
| 00:55.00 | Harzilein | nvm |
| 00:58.14 | jordanm | martman: livecds can install packages |
| 00:58.50 | jordanm | martman: or you can just make sure all the partitions on the device are unmounted when you repartition it |
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| 00:59.53 | nkuttler | Harzilein: oh, if there's a new url for archives please tell us |
| 01:00.13 | nkuttler | Harzilein: feel free to pm me, won't be here much longer |
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| 01:00.55 | streuner_ | nkuttler: there is only one guy who is able to tell you... |
| 01:01.04 | JQuazar | don't you hate when the computer runs you? |
| 01:01.16 | nkuttler | streuner_: what do you mean..? |
| 01:01.32 | streuner_ | nkuttler: that URL is from dondelelcaro |
| 01:01.45 | streuner_ | nkuttler: Harzilein didnt find out yet. |
| 01:01.46 | nkuttler | ah.. i kinda assumed |
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| 01:05.11 | Harzilein | nvm was regarding which network #debian-bots is on |
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| 01:05.42 | Harzilein | i asked my question there now, but no answer so far, so i guess i have to be patient |
| 01:06.38 | Harzilein | let's see if the advertised infobot-web git repo has a url |
| 01:06.43 | Harzilein | it might not be public though |
| 01:07.10 | streuner_ | it is, infobot.org, but its a basic system |
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| 01:07.52 | streuner_ | Harzilein: but you doesnt get the factoids so |
| 01:08.00 | Harzilein | streuner_: i meant for the archive import. looks like it doesn't. |
| 01:09.00 | streuner_ | Harzilein: thats a question for dondelelcaro or themill |
| 01:09.14 | Harzilein | streuner_: uhm. if you don't know which git repo i'm referring to you should not be so eager. the local version (as advertised on ircbots.debian.net) could have had it. |
| 01:09.35 | Harzilein | streuner_: i'll highlight themill then i guess |
| 01:09.50 | Harzilein | streuner_: dondelelcaro should be able to see it in #debian-bots |
| 01:09.57 | streuner_ | Harzilein: as i told you, you should ask one of both |
| 01:10.07 | Harzilein | streuner_: come, tell me again -.- |
| 01:10.20 | streuner_ | no thanks :-) |
| 01:11.37 | Valtam | I have a Debian server and I would like to start an application that resides in my home users folder to start up at boot. What is the best way to go about this, I don't want to run it as root. |
| 01:11.49 | Valtam | example: /home/user/folder/app.sh |
| 01:11.56 | Valtam | To start at boot, as that user. |
| 01:12.12 | Harzilein | Valtam: write your init script to use sudo -u username |
| 01:12.16 | philipp | im not sure it may still is there... anyone have an idea how i can test it if it is compleatly disabled? |
| 01:12.25 | Valtam | Haraken: how? |
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| 01:12.56 | simonlnu | Harzilein: upstream is a sf.net |
| 01:13.01 | simonlnu | at * |
| 01:13.27 | Harzilein | simonlnu: i'm quite sure upstream does _not_ have the url, but some people like to include their cronjobs in their source |
| 01:13.41 | Harzilein | simonlnu: this was not the case though |
| 01:14.21 | Harzilein | i'll also look at the bloodbot repo advertised in #debian-bots, maybe it gets pushed instead of pulled |
| 01:14.52 | Harzilein | Valtam: are you looking for an initscript template? |
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| 01:15.24 | Harzilein | Valtam: you could just look at an existing one, i don't really know if there are templates |
| 01:16.00 | LordTrev | How can I upgrade from oldstable to squeeze? |
| 01:16.16 | Harzilein | Valtam: only thing i was telling you is that your initscript should use sudo -u desiredusername /home/user/folder/app.sh if you want to run it as desiredusername instead of root |
| 01:16.17 | streuner_ | LordTrev: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 01:16.32 | jordanm | Harzilein: /etc/init.d/skeleton is the template that debian provides |
| 01:16.36 | Valtam | ok I'll try that Harzilein |
| 01:16.40 | Harzilein | jordanm: thanks |
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| 01:17.45 | jordanm | Harzilein: also, init scripts should always be executed as root. you should pass --chuid to start-stop-daemon if you want the daemon run as an alternate user |
| 01:17.56 | LordTrev | streuner_, as in the archives, attempting to straight to squeeze with apt gives a parsing error |
| 01:18.22 | Harzilein | jordanm: the initscript _is_ executed by root |
| 01:18.45 | jordanm | Harzilein: if you do sudo -u $user, its techincally execute by $user |
| 01:19.03 | Harzilein | jordanm: that's what Valtam is after |
| 01:19.14 | Harzilein | jordanm: no need for more noise |
| 01:19.30 | jordanm | Harzilein: but probably to replicate functionality of --chuid |
| 01:19.49 | Harzilein | jordanm: ah, right, okay. |
| 01:19.58 | crn | babilen, fyi there's a gphoto2 command line utility in the repository. it looks like this will work eventually. thanks again. |
| 01:20.13 | Harzilein | Valtam: see jordanm's approach for a cleaner way |
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| 01:20.30 | streuner_ | crn, sure, it works, as long as your cam is supported by gphoto2 |
| 01:21.29 | streuner_ | crn, there is a website, IIRC, who should tell you what kind of devices are supported |
| 01:21.42 | Valtam | ok |
| 01:21.46 | Valtam | ty both |
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| 01:27.26 | crn | streuner_, thanks for the info. it works for this camera. i finally got the file onto the hd. |
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| 01:31.58 | jhutchins | Harzilein: Perhaps you were looking for http://ircbots.debian.net/ instead of an irc channel. |
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| 01:32.46 | jhutchins | Harzilein: What are you actually trying to do? |
| 01:33.41 | Harzilein | jhutchins: did you actually read what i wrote? |
| 01:34.04 | jhutchins | Harzilein: I probably missed something, hence the question. |
| 01:34.15 | jhutchins | Harzilein: It's not like I'm getting paid to follow the channel full time. |
| 01:35.12 | Harzilein | jhutchins: i am _not_ searching for an irc channel. i am _not_ trying to look up factoids. let me look it up from the backlog, here: <Harzilein> what i'm after is aggregating factoid databases from different channels so we can have those available in our more generic channel :) |
| 01:36.02 | jhutchins | Ok, so you need to customize an infobot for your channel, and you need to figure out a way to grab/build the database. |
| 01:36.04 | Harzilein | jhutchins: i have now posted the people streuner_ mentioned and waiting patiently for their response. no more support needed in this regard. |
| 01:36.25 | Harzilein | jhutchins: no support needed for that either. just the url where i can grab the archive. |
| 01:36.26 | jhutchins | I think the dpkg database is downloadable, I think judd has a more dynamic back end with external sources (like the pciid database). |
| 01:37.04 | jhutchins | Harzilein: dondelcarlo might be able to help you, he's usually around during European business hours. |
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| 01:38.14 | alex- | dondelelcaro: hey |
| 01:38.33 | jhutchins | Harzilein: The passive bots like dpkg have been built by users who wanted a quick way to answer FAQs. |
| 01:38.48 | jhutchins | Harzilein: (Sometimes users, sometimes ops) |
| 01:38.51 | Harzilein | jhutchins: the dpkg database _used to be downloadable_ under the url advertised in the "your factoids" factoid. it no longer is. i mentioned this in #debian-bots and its low traffic enough that i think dondelelcaro will pick this up. |
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| 01:39.22 | jhutchins | Harzilein: Yeah, there's maybe four-six people who work with the bots directly. |
| 01:39.58 | Harzilein | jhutchins: also streuner_ mentioned themill as a contact, i highlighted him and might pm him later. |
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| 01:41.27 | Harzilein | jhutchins: and i need no clarification as to the purpose of the factoids, the idea is that they can be useful on other channels as well and i'd like to aggregate those from several channel so our generic linux channel can have them as well as canned responses should the need arise. |
| 01:41.37 | Harzilein | channels* |
| 01:42.04 | jhutchins | Harzilein: There is a contact address on the web page, I think the missing download would constitute a reasonable thing to report to that address (on http://ircbots.debian.net/). |
| 01:42.04 | Harzilein | also, #bash etc. |
| 01:42.29 | Harzilein | yeah, i guess that's more reasonable at this time of the day %-) |
| 01:42.35 | jhutchins | Harzilein: Yes, I understand what you're doing, hence my mention of judd's external sources. |
| 01:43.20 | jhutchins | I gather there used to be an aptitude bot too. |
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| 02:01.35 | LordTrev_ | how do I activate the Apt::Force-LoopBreak option? |
| 02:01.46 | LordTrev_ | I'm upgrading a woody system to etch.... |
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| 02:08.33 | NikLP | *sigh* seems that the general consensus is that non-suexec running is better for "not shared hosts" which I have (private server) but that doesn't remove the issue of apache-owned files when run as mod_php, any bright ideas? |
| 02:08.46 | NikLP | unless there is a better channel to ask in? :) |
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| 02:09.58 | un214 | I would have recommended apache-owned files personally |
| 02:10.29 | un214 | another way that's not as popular is to rpc to a daemon that owns the actual backing files |
| 02:10.42 | un214 | (kind of like what database does already) |
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| 02:14.47 | NikLP | un214: are you suggesting (in a drupal install) to just chmod/chgrp -R * apache for the uploads area? |
| 02:15.06 | un214 | I know nothing of drupal |
| 02:15.38 | un214 | I know lots about application design |
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| 02:19.33 | NikLP | un214: np, drupal is not relevant, it's just that there is a conflict between the web server writing to a certain part of a /home/$USER/public_html area; the user can't modify the files created by apache |
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| 02:20.22 | un214 | personally, I think for /home/$USER/public_html suexec should be used |
| 02:20.28 | jordanm | NikLP: apache only needs to own the files that it needs write access to |
| 02:20.53 | un214 | jordanm: in this case that backs into system V chown |
| 02:21.08 | NikLP | yeah but we are talking about a complex upload area, there are many files, but if the account owner need to modify any of that, they can't, cos of the ownership |
| 02:21.18 | jordanm | NikLP: suphp or cgi/suexec are fine for a single website unless you are having performance issues. mod_php performs better than cgi/fcgi, but it probably doesn't even matter for most single-site boxes |
| 02:21.38 | NikLP | well I have several accounts on one server, but it is private; |
| 02:22.14 | NikLP | I jsut want to be able to log into USERX account when I am working on project X, and not have the apache ownership problem |
| 02:22.26 | NikLP | wondering if it can be overcome easily with groups or something? |
| 02:22.30 | jordanm | NikLP: well, just note with mod_php a comprimised account means that all sites can be defaced, rather than one |
| 02:22.59 | jordanm | NikLP: sure, use cgi or suphp |
| 02:23.16 | jordanm | or ACLs, but that can get messy |
| 02:23.33 | NikLP | I meant adding USERX to apache group or similar... :/ |
| 02:23.54 | jordanm | you can do that if you don't mind USERX being able to modify everything apache can |
| 02:24.09 | NikLP | ah yeah |
| 02:24.39 | NikLP | actually that would be ok, if the server stays private (which it is), but not if I passed control to any one else for one project I guess :/ |
| 02:25.33 | jordanm | NikLP: if you take that route, you will need to setgid the directories |
| 02:25.55 | un214 | oh right I forgot about the sgid trick |
| 02:25.57 | jordanm | NikLP: so new files USERX creates are owned by the apache group |
| 02:26.03 | un214 | combined with gidprivate that would work |
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| 02:27.32 | NikLP | hmm |
| 02:28.24 | un214 | the trick is writing new files in directory that is sgid, with umask 002 |
| 02:28.36 | un214 | while every user has his own group |
| 02:28.48 | un214 | and the directory is owned by that group |
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| 02:33.56 | NikLP | ok I'm not following this completely... |
| 02:33.59 | NikLP | but no matter, it's late |
| 02:34.11 | NikLP | is there a magic link to a resource that explains this in detail? :) |
| 02:34.35 | NikLP | I have played with this option before but need to grok it fully before attempting to implement it :) |
| 02:36.47 | un214 | been too long |
| 02:36.55 | NikLP | :) |
| 02:36.57 | un214 | it fell out of favor for who knows what reason |
| 02:37.25 | NikLP | nginx? ;) |
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| 02:40.25 | un214 | gidprivate |
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| 02:43.13 | NikLP | hm. must google |
| 02:45.11 | NikLP | un214: google doesn't know what you mean by that term :/ |
| 02:45.28 | NikLP | maybe it was looooong ago :) |
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| 02:46.06 | un214 | it might be known as private groups |
| 02:46.43 | un214 | the concept is uids start at 1000, and every uid has the same number as a group that is specific to that user |
| 02:46.54 | un214 | and the default umask is 002 rather than 022 |
| 02:47.14 | un214 | debian doesn't normally use it |
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| 02:47.27 | un214 | ancient versions of redhat did |
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| 02:52.51 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, user=primary group was an early RH thing. |
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| 03:01.18 | NikLP | this all sounds very complicated for a n00b like me ... not to worry, thanks for the tips :) |
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| 03:05.02 | CRowen | hi all |
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| 03:05.43 | CRowen | can anyone help |
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| 03:06.01 | abrotman | with? |
| 03:07.03 | jhutchins_lt | NikLP: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
| 03:07.09 | jhutchins_lt | NikLP: iirc it discusses it. |
| 03:07.16 | Harzilein | <jhutchins_lt> Yeah, user=primary group was an early RH thing. |
| 03:07.21 | NikLP | ah cool thanks |
| 03:07.31 | CRowen | when I add a user with adduser will create the directory but it is a key defining |
| 03:07.42 | Harzilein | jhutchins_lt: slackware had it too, at least until 4.0, maybe even 7.0 |
| 03:07.51 | CRowen | Current Kerberos password: |
| 03:07.51 | CRowen | passwd: Authentication token manipulation error |
| 03:07.52 | CRowen | passwd: password unchanged |
| 03:08.29 | CRowen | this started when I update my lenny to equeeze |
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| 03:19.51 | marko__ | hi |
| 03:19.58 | marko__ | cp - http://pastehtml.com/view/bk3snh9z2.html |
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| 03:24.06 | technologov | are bans on #debian permanent? |
| 03:24.36 | fortress | what is the best way to install a .sh package so that i can easily remove it at a later time if i need to? can i install it with aptitude somehow? |
| 03:24.53 | technologov | ha ha no! |
| 03:25.07 | technologov | only way to install .sh and remove it later - is to use VM |
| 03:25.08 | fortress | :) what's the best way? |
| 03:25.13 | technologov | like VirtualBox |
| 03:25.16 | fortress | VM? |
| 03:25.20 | fortress | ah |
| 03:25.22 | technologov | VM=virtual machine |
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| 03:25.38 | fortress | so i cannot uninstall a .sh once its installed? |
| 03:25.46 | technologov | nope |
| 03:25.54 | abrotman | !checkinstall |
| 03:25.55 | dpkg | CheckInstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ See also <stow>. |
| 03:25.57 | abrotman | !stow |
| 03:25.57 | fortress | scary :( |
| 03:26.03 | abrotman | !stow |
| 03:26.04 | dpkg | [stow] a nifty program used to manage a /usr/local/ hierarchy. It keeps all the programs separate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game; ask me about <stow usage>. http://www.gnu.org/software/stow . See also <usrlocal>, <uupdate>. |
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| 03:26.12 | lstarnes | you don't 'install' .sh really. rather you run a shell script that installs some stuff |
| 03:26.17 | quotemstr | Where is the glibc manual? |
| 03:26.18 | fortress | thank you abrotman!! |
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| 03:26.29 | quotemstr | Even after installing glibc-doc, "info libc" just shows the man page. |
| 03:26.37 | abrotman | quotemstr: non-free, GFDL is non-free |
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| 03:27.19 | fortress | which would you recommend, abrotman? stow or checkinstall? |
| 03:27.19 | technologov | who decided so ? |
| 03:27.34 | technologov | can I see discussion ? (obviously FSF disagree) |
| 03:27.49 | abrotman | fortress: dunno if one is better than the other ... |
| 03:28.00 | abrotman | technologov: google knows |
| 03:28.05 | technologov | ok |
| 03:28.19 | lstarnes | the GFDL has a section allowing GFDL-licensed works to have invariant sections |
| 03:28.25 | abrotman | !gfdl |
| 03:28.26 | dpkg | [gfdl] The GNU "Free" Documentation License, considered <non-free> by Debian in some cases. Read the discussion at http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200309/msg00169.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200304/msg00246.html . See the position statement at http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.html and resolution at http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 |
| 03:28.32 | quotemstr | abrotman: Ah, I see. I forgot about invariant sections. Do you know the oneliner for enabling nonfree offhand, or should I go look it up? |
| 03:28.55 | abrotman | quotemstr: you can just append "non-free" to your http sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 03:32.05 | quotemstr | abrotman: That worked. Thanks! |
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| 03:34.00 | technologov | just read the GR about GFDL ! interesting. |
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| 03:43.27 | fortress | can someone help me understand what it means to "prepend" an install path? i just installed EPD_free and it is asking me to do this: http://www.pastebin.com/KJdUT5U2 |
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| 03:44.21 | Guest60706 | hi . i'm a newbie and i just installed debian please help me i cannot get wireless to work . terminal says i'm not in the list of sudoers |
| 03:44.32 | fortress | guest |
| 03:44.37 | fortress | open terminal and login as root |
| 03:44.38 | abrotman | what does sudo have to do with your wireless driver? |
| 03:44.42 | fortress | then type 'visudo' |
| 03:44.44 | fortress | without quotes |
| 03:44.50 | abrotman | holy enter ke ... |
| 03:44.51 | abrotman | key |
| 03:44.57 | abrotman | Guest60706: what is the wifi adapter? |
| 03:45.00 | fortress | sorry :) |
| 03:45.17 | Guest60706 | abrotman: i believe its intel wifi 1000 but i'm not sure |
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| 03:45.29 | abrotman | Guest60706: which of debian ? |
| 03:45.31 | abrotman | !iwlwifi |
| 03:45.32 | dpkg | iwlwifi is a driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 3945 and WiFi Link 4965 devices since Lenny. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. If upgrading from Etch, see http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi to switch from ipw3945 to iwl3945. See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:45.37 | abrotman | ah .. |
| 03:45.39 | abrotman | !iwlagn |
| 03:45.40 | dpkg | iwlagn (renamed to iwlwifi at Linux 3.2) is a Linux kernel module supporting Intel 802.11n adapters (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N). Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
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| 03:46.05 | abrotman | fortress: it's asking you to put htat in your path |
| 03:46.20 | abrotman | fortress: or just type out hte full path to the binary |
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| 03:46.41 | Guest60706 | how can i install a package manager graphical? |
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| 03:46.59 | Guest60706 | i installed debian 6.0.3 squeeze live cd KDE 64bit |
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| 03:47.19 | fortress | !path |
| 03:47.19 | dpkg | PATH is the environment variable that tells the OS where to look for programs. It is defined in /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile (for sh-like shells) or ~/.login for csh-like shells. http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/sect_07_02.html |
| 03:47.48 | abrotman | Guest60706: install 'synaptic' |
| 03:48.18 | fortress | abrotman: where is the best place to prepend it to my path? /etc/profiles, or ~/.bash_profile ? |
| 03:48.18 | Guest60706 | thnx i'm installing it |
| 03:48.36 | Guest60706 | i made 3 primary partitions . one for swap and 2 for root and home(both ext3) |
| 03:48.44 | Harzilein | hmm... is there a debian archive spec that allows me to predict which urls apt will hit with a given url and distribution? |
| 03:48.59 | Guest60706 | do you think if debian is a good distro for a newbie like me? |
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| 03:49.22 | abrotman | fortress: the latter |
| 03:49.32 | abrotman | Guest60706: depends if you want to read |
| 03:49.39 | technologov | Guest60706, hmmm... u will need some help for sure. |
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| 03:50.00 | Guest60706 | i liked KDE desktop so i installed debian live kde 64bit |
| 03:50.11 | abrotman | Harzilein: man sources.list ? |
| 03:50.24 | technologov | Guest60706, Debian is not easiest out-of-the-box, but with big community, all the config steps are 'solvable'. |
| 03:50.36 | Harzilein | Guest60706: _if_ you want to read, debian support proper should be better than a _lot_ of community support for, say, ubuntu. i can't compare with fedora. |
| 03:50.41 | fortress | abrotman: .bash_profile is currently empty, could I use .bashrc, and how do they differ? |
| 03:51.00 | abrotman | fortress: doesn't the top of .bashrc tell you ? |
| 03:51.14 | Harzilein | Guest60706: other distributions are more specialized in their audience, so i think it's a decision between those. if i were a newbie i'd choose debian. |
| 03:51.18 | Guest60706 | technologov: thnx. my top priorities are wireless driver,ATI propritary drivers, a front end for packagemanager, i also like ubuntu software center to install |
| 03:51.26 | Guest60706 | i'm comming from opensuse 11.4 |
| 03:51.34 | technologov | Guest60706, since u went KDE: few recommendations: |
| 03:51.52 | technologov | 1. "kwin-style-crystal" theme. |
| 03:51.56 | abrotman | !tell technologov about u |
| 03:52.27 | technologov | 2. install 'synaptic' package-manager GUI |
| 03:52.43 | Guest60706 | i'm already installing synaptic |
| 03:52.48 | fortress | abrotman: it says "executed by bash(1) for non-login shells." - what does this mean? |
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| 03:53.33 | abrotman | fortress: for terminals where you don't .. login |
| 03:53.45 | technologov | Guest60706, that KDE theme will make a *huge* difference, at least for me. |
| 03:53.58 | technologov | since u go the non-free way: u also need |
| 03:54.02 | Harzilein | abrotman: i don't think sources.list will detail which special archive locations are expected. |
| 03:54.06 | technologov | 1. remove gnash (=it's crash) |
| 03:54.17 | technologov | 2. install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 03:54.23 | Guest60706 | technologov: how can i make my KDE look like opensuse? |
| 03:54.33 | abrotman | Harzilein: okay |
| 03:54.36 | technologov | well. before (2) you need to add non-free repo |
| 03:54.53 | yagoo | Guest23887, suse uses kde, that's the kde desktop you install |
| 03:55.03 | fortress | abrotman: if my bash_profile does not exist, would it be okay to create one now? is bash_profile not normally created by default? |
| 03:55.05 | yagoo | Guest60706, . |
| 03:55.11 | technologov | "kwin-style-crystal" will make KDE4 look like openSUSE's KDE3. |
| 03:55.19 | Guest60706 | i have installed debian 6.0.3 KDE live cd 64bit |
| 03:55.53 | Guest60706 | thankyou guys. i've heared that ubuntu software center is available on debian too. how can i install it? |
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| 03:55.57 | yagoo | Guest60706, dunno, maybe the k-switcher is set to classic |
| 03:56.01 | Harzilein | i'm trying to investigate http 500 errors from a third party repository and i think they might have an inconsistency between the advertised deb line and their repository layout |
| 03:56.04 | abrotman | !docs |
| 03:56.04 | dpkg | Before asking, please read the documentation. Documentation isn't always easy to read, but that doesn't excuse you from (a) trying and (b) sending patches to improve the docs. If you don't do this, expect to be told to RTFM by impatient volunteers. Dick Brandon said that "Documentation is like sex: When it is good, it is very, very, good. And when it is bad, it is better than nothing." Ask me about <finding docs>, <manuals>. |
| 03:56.24 | Harzilein | the directory urls redirect to their homepage though |
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| 03:57.51 | fortress | abrotman: it seems that wheezy is using .profile instead of .bash_profile. i will read the docs, thank you |
| 03:57.53 | un214 | that sounds broken |
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| 03:59.15 | brah | I updated to gnome3 and it looks unthemed. |
| 03:59.18 | brah | Which package am I missing? |
| 03:59.22 | brah | gnome-themes is old |
| 03:59.49 | Guest60706 | why debian uses ext3? |
| 03:59.51 | Guest60706 | as default |
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| 04:00.44 | yagoo | Guest60706, because it's good. |
| 04:01.09 | technologov | Guest60706, because ext4 was unstable before kernel 2.6.36 (vbox project found bugs in ext4) |
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| 04:01.49 | dvs | Guest23887: ext3 has journalling which ext2 does not |
| 04:01.58 | nvz | Guest60706: why ask why? if you don't like it, change it. Debian's priorities are stability not shiny new shite. If you don't have any need to use something new, i.e. met a boundary of ext3, then why use something not as well tested? |
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| 04:02.04 | Guest60706 | technologov: which one is nonfree repo ? |
| 04:02.14 | Guest60706 | i'm in synaptic software sources |
| 04:02.18 | nvz | Guest60706: all of them |
| 04:02.19 | technologov | in synaptic, u can add 'non-free' repo. |
| 04:02.38 | technologov | + 'contrib' |
| 04:02.50 | nvz | Guest60706: non-free is a section, not a repository |
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| 04:03.35 | Guest60706 | thnx.my internet is weak. the internet is going to be shut down in my country |
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| 04:04.08 | technologov | Guest60706, download all 8 DVDs of Debian. |
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| 04:04.22 | yagoo | Guest60706, what country ? |
| 04:04.23 | technologov | It will make your Debian an offline-distro. |
| 04:04.29 | yagoo | Guest60706, antartica? |
| 04:04.34 | Guest60706 | technologov: my download speedi s 10 kb/s |
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| 04:04.39 | Guest60706 | Iran |
| 04:04.43 | yagoo | oh |
| 04:04.45 | yagoo | yikes |
| 04:05.12 | technologov | Guest60706, try to buy Debian locally... 8 DVDs + 6 DVDs for source (if you're developer) |
| 04:05.40 | technologov | Debian is _really_ good for offline customers. |
| 04:05.50 | yagoo | Guest60706, what do you mean shutdown? you're talking officially or rumored? |
| 04:05.56 | Guest60706 | but its hard for newbies |
| 04:06.10 | technologov | Pretty much the best among OSS. |
| 04:06.11 | Guest60706 | yagoo: its confirmed by some autorities |
| 04:06.28 | yagoo | Guest60706, must be because of facebook. yikes! |
| 04:06.29 | Guest60706 | how can i install YaST ? it really helped me when on suse |
| 04:06.37 | technologov | yagoo, until there are official news: it is all rumored. |
| 04:06.48 | yagoo | Guest60706, yast is suse. not debian. |
| 04:07.09 | technologov | there is no Yast, unfortunately, *but* some of Yast's functionality is spead across several control panels in Debian |
| 04:07.15 | technologov | there is KDE Network Manager |
| 04:07.22 | technologov | + synaptic (=package manager) |
| 04:07.30 | yagoo | Guest60706, there's no integrated project like that, (there was development but it didnt pick up).. but you have uh.. i think cpanel or similar free ones, but they're not officially in debian.. |
| 04:07.38 | technologov | KDE also handles resolution + multi-monitor. |
| 04:07.43 | Guest60706 | thankyou guys you are very helpful |
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| 04:07.59 | rasusto | hello all |
| 04:08.29 | Guest60706 | for how long my installition will be supported? |
| 04:09.05 | technologov | 3 years from release. |
| 04:09.15 | yagoo | Guest60706, dunno. as long as there's updates to it, then it means there's security patches for it..i guess a couple years |
| 04:09.19 | technologov | (Feb 2011-Feb 2014) |
| 04:09.27 | rasusto | what are the security risks of non-free bios? is it just the backdoor passwords or is there more? |
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| 04:10.05 | lstarnes | rasusto: there's also the risk of unknown vulnerabilities suddenly being discovered and exploited |
| 04:10.07 | un214 | normally I'd say none |
| 04:10.20 | un214 | there's usually no way to activate bios code paths from usermode |
| 04:10.24 | lstarnes | although exploiting a system's bios is rather difficult |
| 04:10.26 | technologov | rasusto, BIOSes are pretty small and stupid; unlikely to put backdoor in it. seems like FUD. |
| 04:10.37 | yagoo | rasusto, non-free is something a company makes but doesn't make it open source, or it can be free but not gpl software. has nothing to do with security really. |
| 04:10.46 | un214 | there's often a backdoor password in desktop bioses to getting to bios setup |
| 04:10.52 | un214 | but that requires physical access anyway |
| 04:11.03 | lstarnes | usually |
| 04:11.04 | Harzilein | uhm |
| 04:11.13 | rasusto | right...physical access...and even then you can protect yourself with hard drive encryption |
| 04:11.24 | un214 | rasusto: correct |
| 04:11.34 | rasusto | what about firmware? is that exploitable? |
| 04:11.53 | yagoo | rasusto, well you can always booby trap your computer. but then you might blow yourself up because you forgot your password. |
| 04:11.54 | technologov | may be. |
| 04:11.57 | Harzilein | there could easily be backdoor code in the acpi implementation |
| 04:12.00 | lstarnes | rasusto: it can be but it depends on what the firmware does |
| 04:12.28 | brah | yagoo: Isn't webmin something similar? |
| 04:12.32 | un214 | Harzilein: and that actives from usermode how? |
| 04:13.19 | Harzilein | un214: it's active all the time. it could look for some semaphore value and do its dirty deed |
| 04:13.28 | Guest60706 | guys i have installed debian on 3 primary partitions . therefore i only have one other partition left which i have xp installed there. do you think its ok or i need to reinstall debian on logical partitions? |
| 04:13.31 | Harzilein | un214: not likely, just saying |
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| 04:14.08 | technologov | Guest60706, HDD partitioning is up to you, esp. since you dual-boot, u must know what you're doing. |
| 04:14.08 | dvs | Guest60706: reinstall into logical partitions |
| 04:14.12 | un214 | I think it's og Guest |
| 04:14.18 | un214 | ok |
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| 04:14.39 | un214 | anyway, it's possible to place bootloaders in strange places |
| 04:14.47 | technologov | Guest60706, but getting full Debian 8 DVDs is a *must* for your case. |
| 04:14.52 | rasusto | i'm concerned about non-free firmware for intel wireless and display, specifically the wireless |
| 04:14.56 | yagoo | Guest60706, i say keep it simple.. from experience.. there's not much gain from multiple partitions for a linux desktop |
| 04:15.24 | Guest60706 | technologov: thnx i'll look for it . but now i need a working system as soon as possible |
| 04:15.32 | rasusto | Guest60706 it can makes things easy if you want to do remote mounting or nfs |
| 04:15.33 | somiaj | Guest60706: the only seperate partition I like to make is /home so all my userdata is stored if I want to reinstall the root system (for what ever reason) |
| 04:15.34 | dvs | yagoo: i'd put /home on it's own partition |
| 04:15.37 | Guest60706 | yagoo: so you mean i dont have to reinstall debian on logical partitions and this installition is ok? |
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| 04:16.07 | somiaj | !ops OCdoc /msg spam |
| 04:16.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: somiaj complains about: OCdoc /msg spam |
| 04:16.29 | somiaj | though not sure if that does anything to remove them from #debian, :( |
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| 04:16.43 | dvs | Guest60706: you don't have to but i would on a dual boot |
| 04:17.08 | technologov | are ban on #debian permanent or not ? |
| 04:17.30 | somiaj | technologov: freenode has a limited ban list, so I'm sure they go away after a few months to make room for new ones |
| 04:17.31 | lstarnes | technologov: bans on all irc channels are permamanent until an op removes them |
| 04:17.38 | lstarnes | *permanent |
| 04:17.39 | un214 | there's a permaban for root |
| 04:17.49 | Guest60706 | thankyou guys |
| 04:17.53 | lstarnes | though ops will remove ones that aren't needed or wanted anymore |
| 04:17.53 | somiaj | technologov: some may not, but many bans get removed and replaced with new ones |
| 04:18.01 | un214 | I'm being bombed by OCdoc |
| 04:18.09 | yagoo | Guest60706, hmm |
| 04:18.12 | technologov | me too... OCdoc.. spammer |
| 04:18.18 | lstarnes | un214: it was just hit in the knee with an arrow |
| 04:18.31 | yagoo | Guest60706, the least # of partitions needed for any linux is 2. one for /, and the other for swap |
| 04:18.33 | somiaj | Guest60706: on a side note, if you have an extra harddrive (say usb) you could use a live cd/usbkey and just copy your install, repartition copy your install back and not have to reinstall if you need more partitions |
| 04:18.49 | un214 | I take it yagoo has never used a swap file |
| 04:19.02 | un214 | (please note that this doesn't work if you plan to hibernate) |
| 04:19.08 | dvs | yagoo: you dont have to have a swap partition but it is a VERY good idea. |
| 04:19.14 | yagoo | Guest60706, if you want to install like 3 different linuxes, keep in mind, you can have this-> xp,ext3,ext3,ext3,swap ..<< you only need 1 swap even with different linux.. |
| 04:19.35 | yagoo | dvs, i've had problems of not having a swap.. so that's why i suggest |
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| 04:19.42 | technologov | yagoo, do so on VirtualBox. No need for 3 real Linuxes. |
| 04:19.42 | somiaj | swap files are really a bad way to go for swap, you can run without swap. I have 12gigs of ram on my desktop so I don't use swap, I figured the extra time to stop a run away process that is eating up memory gained from putting it on swap won't help me keep my os from crashing. |
| 04:19.43 | un214 | *shudder* bad idea about sharing swap |
| 04:19.44 | Guest60706 | i have 4 partitions right now . all of them are primary. one is for windows. a 5 gb swap . a 30gb root and the rest for home |
| 04:20.16 | technologov | Guest60706, if u want many Linuxes, do so on VirtualBox, vs. real hardware. |
| 04:20.28 | yagoo | un214, so what's the problem? |
| 04:20.29 | technologov | Only if you like some OS, install on real hardware. |
| 04:20.32 | yagoo | .. |
| 04:20.35 | dvs | Guest60706: I put root on a primary partition but the other Linux partitions I'd put on a logical partition |
| 04:20.38 | Guest60706 | yes i have few usb flash memories. i'll install others on usb |
| 04:20.44 | yagoo | Guest60706, that sounds fine |
| 04:20.45 | un214 | yagoo: you can too easily hibernate one than boot another, screwing up the first |
| 04:20.57 | somiaj | Guest60706: another option is use an LVM on a large partition so you can add/remove partitions as you need for various linuxes which can all use the same lvm |
| 04:21.15 | yagoo | un214, hibernation.. i think he knows to resume his proper linux .. he doesn't need to use the swap partition for hibernating. |
| 04:21.21 | Guest60706 | i also liked the fact that debian installer had no licence or something against my country. |
| 04:21.22 | somiaj | Guest60706: but your patition scheme seems fine for a dual boot setup and it is what i use so I don't have to use extended partitions |
| 04:21.22 | aphyr | Odd problem cropped up on my testing box today. Keyboard works at the console, and at GDM, but after logging into openbox, some keys (left, right, down arrows) are mismapped. |
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| 04:21.40 | un214 | sorry yagoo but it will always use the swap partition for hibernating |
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| 04:22.00 | yagoo | well he doesnt' have to use hibernation if he knows what he's doing |
| 04:22.05 | un214 | oh right |
| 04:22.28 | loop | why do i feel like this conversation took place yesterday |
| 04:22.34 | aphyr | Any ideas where I should look? I suspect gnome-settings-daemon might be the cause of this fuckery, but no hard evidence yet. dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration and console-setup don't seem to help. |
| 04:22.35 | somiaj | aphyr: have you tried 'xev' to see what they are mapped to, also check your xorg log |
| 04:22.37 | Guest60706 | i tried to install konversation or quassel or some other irc client using synaptics but found nothing |
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| 04:23.03 | aphyr | X log appears clean, xev shows the keys are coming through but are mapped funny. |
| 04:23.09 | technologov | Guest60706, KVirc -or- X-chat |
| 04:23.09 | somiaj | aphyr: also with testing learn to check the bts, you can sometimes find your bug (and a possible fix) there -- and by sometimes more often than not if you have an actual bug vs a configuration/user error |
| 04:23.38 | aphyr | Left and down are mode_switch XKLAVIER_STATE |
| 04:23.56 | aphyr | right arrow key is break |
| 04:24.20 | aphyr | pgdn -> multi, pgup -> divide |
| 04:24.41 | aphyr | Makes me think I've got a bad xinput or xmodmap setting *somewhere*... |
| 04:24.42 | yagoo | Guest60706, you know you can easily make a debian usb installer now with squeeze (cat debian.iso >/dev/<usbdevice> , wipes out your usb of course) |
| 04:24.46 | somiaj | aphyr: sounds like a strange keymap is being loaded. |
| 04:25.13 | technologov | ha ha ! :) yea... I learned this USB trick few days ago :) Very clever hack. |
| 04:25.20 | aphyr | xorg.conf doesn't have a keymap (and besides, x works at GDM, just not after login) |
| 04:25.43 | somiaj | yagoo: speaking of that, do you know how to turn the remaing space on the usb drive to just a blank partition to say put extra files -- been wanting to do that with a debian live image. |
| 04:25.46 | Guest60706 | yes thanks |
| 04:25.47 | dvs | technologov: It's in the install docs |
| 04:25.47 | technologov | I _never_ expected it to work, but it does ! |
| 04:26.22 | technologov | dvs, well, it pretty much defies my logic... but it works :) |
| 04:26.27 | somiaj | technologov: well an iso is just an image of a file system, though it is ince that they are hybrid images so they can be used on cd's or usb drives. (: |
| 04:26.29 | aphyr | Weirdly enough, gnome-control-center has a keyboard testing tool that lights up the keys you press, and *that* shows the correct values. |
| 04:26.31 | yagoo | somiaj, you'll have to make the usb installer manually in that case.. you'll have to dig some homework on that.. it can be pretty tedious |
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| 04:27.14 | somiaj | yagoo: that is what I was afraid of, was hoping for an easy way to use that image, but just have it on say a single partiton, thanks for the input. |
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| 04:27.59 | Guest60706 | how can i have desktop folder in my desktop like i had in opensuse? |
| 04:28.06 | Guest60706 | to put my icons in |
| 04:28.13 | yagoo | somiaj, the price of usb sticks are so inexpensive now, i got a hanful a few days ago and am not afraid of wipping/updating installers dedicated without extra steps.. :) |
| 04:28.37 | aphyr | xmodmap -pk reports 0xff51 (left) -> 0xff51 (left), so that's probably not it |
| 04:28.43 | technologov | right click on KDE->Activity |
| 04:28.52 | somiaj | Guest60706: depends, but with gnome (and thus natulus) it should create a Desktop folder in your $HOME dir for that |
| 04:29.29 | somiaj | Guest60706: but if you use any of the number of other WM's debian has, may have to look into setting it up for that paticular WM |
| 04:29.46 | Guest60706 | i like KDE more than others |
| 04:30.01 | somiaj | yagoo: yea I should just get a new one, I have a very old 1gb one I have been using for the live images that is working, but it was more if I got a new bigger usb the extra space would be nice to save data on. |
| 04:31.09 | dvs | somiaj: get an 8 GB |
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| 04:33.49 | judgen | If i want to not at all use pulseaudio or plymout, would debian be a good fit for me then? I only use CLI anyways for this coding machine, but i need my music. And a working framebuffer for elinks. |
| 04:34.18 | judgen | I have no intention on installing X |
| 04:34.59 | somiaj | judgen: yea debian doens't use pulseaudio by default (though it is an option) |
| 04:35.06 | judgen | sweet |
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| 04:35.14 | judgen | and no plymouth? |
| 04:35.16 | somiaj | judgen: just one thing to note, some packages will install the libpulseaudio files but this isn't mean you are using pulseaudio |
| 04:35.35 | un214 | no plymouth on debian by default |
| 04:35.35 | somiaj | judgen: it is just the packages are compadable with pulseaudio so the libs have to be there |
| 04:35.48 | un214 | I dumped ubuntu over the unholy trinity of plymouth, upstart, and mountall |
| 04:35.58 | somiaj | judgen: if you have a vm machine you could isntall a base system really easy (or just use debootstrap and chroot into a partition from your current linux install) |
| 04:36.03 | judgen | somiaj: that is ok, i am guessing that it works with alsa, like they used to in unbutu before they crammed pulseaudio onto me. |
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| 04:36.05 | technologov | What's the reason to hate plymouth anyway ? |
| 04:36.22 | somiaj | judgen: and see what the base system is, beyond the base system you only need to install the packages you want |
| 04:36.28 | un214 | it really screws up if you can't use fbconsole |
| 04:36.29 | judgen | somiaj: I hate my current install... that i why i am looking for an alternative |
| 04:37.02 | un214 | technically you aren't supposed to need the base system, but a few packages have nondeclared dependencies |
| 04:37.12 | mosno | lol @ "unholy trinity" |
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| 04:37.16 | judgen | technologov: I do not hate it per se, but the logins tend to behave strangely when you do not have X |
| 04:37.37 | technologov | ok |
| 04:37.47 | un214 | I forget which high-up-there package had a missing dependency on /bin/cmp |
| 04:37.50 | judgen | ok then debian it is. |
| 04:37.51 | somiaj | judgen: yea I was just saying with deboostrap and chroot you could quickly see what a debian base system has so you know what the starting point is (before you start installing the additional software you want) |
| 04:38.20 | judgen | somiaj: I used lenny a long time ago, and i really liked it. |
| 04:38.21 | somiaj | un214: I thought in the debian policy manual you didn't have to explicity declare depends against essential packages. |
| 04:38.50 | un214 | somiaj: there are packages listed as essential that aren't from a depends standpoint |
| 04:38.53 | somiaj | judgen: my only suggestion is dont do what many do and run to wheezy because squeeze isn't "up to date" -- use squeze (stable) and then if there are newer things you need look into backports. |
| 04:38.56 | un214 | so the policy is wrong |
| 04:39.44 | un214 | you do not have to declare dependencies against dpkg or anything it uses however |
| 04:39.48 | technologov | well... I had to install some parts of wheezy on squeeze. |
| 04:40.07 | technologov | It turns out that squeeze doesn't support the free WebM codec, huge minus ! |
| 04:40.26 | technologov | I have lots of WebM videos on my HDD. |
| 04:41.22 | judgen | what is the name of the package bot in #debian (if there is one) |
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| 04:41.56 | technologov | judd |
| 04:41.59 | judgen | cvlc is very nice on a working framebuffer i think |
| 04:42.45 | un214 | there's a weird twofold problem that eliminated any use of framebuffer on this system |
| 04:44.21 | somiaj | technologov: sounds like you wanted to break your install. Don't install wheezy packages on squeeze, make backports |
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| 04:44.58 | technologov | somiaj, well.. it survived.. plus I'm a bit noob regarding to 'making' packages... |
| 04:45.12 | technologov | But maybe I should learn it... |
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| 04:45.23 | somiaj | technologov: luckly for basic packages (such as say a media player) its fairly straight forward, /msg dpkg ssbp |
| 04:45.29 | un214 | apt-get -b source often works when the package won't |
| 04:46.14 | somiaj | technologov: also many things that are common such as say playing webm videos there might already be backports on backports.debian.org |
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| 04:47.11 | technologov | I checked it; There is mail discussion. Nope - no WebM. |
| 04:47.17 | somiaj | technologov: the issue is not the package itself but the core packages it depends on. And thus to install a wheezy package you have to install all of its wheezy depends and mixing the base system is where things can (and will) get buggy. |
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| 04:57.05 | un214 | there's a stupid trick that allows one to pull a single package from ubuntu with apt-get -b source, where any normal approach will bomb mizerably |
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| 05:05.25 | kristen | Hi, my computer has half a gig of RAM, will Debian install OK? |
| 05:05.35 | lstarnes | yes |
| 05:05.52 | kristen | lstarnes, What GUI must I get? |
| 05:06.02 | lstarnes | you may want to use a lightweight desktop environment such as lxde or xfce instead of a larger one like kde or gnome though |
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| 05:07.13 | hochron | how do you playback mpg's or xvid? |
| 05:08.08 | un214 | tried mplayer from debian-multimedia? |
| 05:08.13 | hochron | I installed w32codecs and still nothing |
| 05:08.14 | Leoneof | hello, how to downgrade KDE from experimental version to stable version? |
| 05:08.25 | hochron | hmmm |
| 05:08.27 | hochron | no |
| 05:08.31 | hochron | one sec |
| 05:08.34 | kristen | lstarnes, Here is my lscpi output: http://pastebin.ca/2101346 do you forsee any problems? I need my wireless card to work. I am using Slackware, but it has issues with my wireless card and the channel suggested I try another distro. |
| 05:09.06 | kristen | Slackware uses an older kernel that may not have support for the card I use |
| 05:09.27 | kristen | And they have not caught up with the 3.0 and up kernels |
| 05:09.29 | lstarnes | kristen: I think that would work but I have no direct experience with that NIC |
| 05:10.06 | kristen | So Debian keeps up with the latest kernels? |
| 05:10.17 | lstarnes | unstable and testing do |
| 05:10.40 | lstarnes | stable sticks with an older but actively maintained kernel |
| 05:11.11 | kristen | lstarnes, This is the kernel I have now: 2.6.37.6-smp |
| 05:11.43 | lstarnes | you might need firmware |
| 05:11.53 | hochron | un214, mplayer didnt work :( |
| 05:12.16 | un214 | sorry |
| 05:12.22 | kristen | lstarnes, Debian might be in a better position to get the card to work because it is better maintained? |
| 05:12.26 | simonlnu | Leoneof: to stable version, you mean squeeze? |
| 05:12.39 | lstarnes | kristen: maybe |
| 05:12.55 | hochron | I followed the instructions here http://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs and still nothing |
| 05:12.58 | kristen | lstarnes, What kernel is Debian stable on? |
| 05:13.05 | Leoneof | simonlnu: yes |
| 05:13.09 | lstarnes | 2.6.32 if I remember correctly |
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| 05:13.47 | simonlnu | Leoneof: um, not without great difficulty |
| 05:13.59 | simonlnu | Leoneof: you want kde3? |
| 05:14.16 | kristen | lstarnes, Whenever the drivers for my card are installed, it freezes and locks up the computer |
| 05:14.26 | simonlnu | ,versions kwin |
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| 05:14.27 | judd | Package: kwin on i386 -- lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; lenny-security: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; squeeze: 5:66 |
| 05:14.30 | Leoneof | simonlnu: no, i want the default version for squeeze, umm it was like 4.4.5 |
| 05:14.33 | samba35 | how to stop iptables |
| 05:14.38 | kristen | Slackware is great, but not as well maintained |
| 05:14.40 | lstarnes | samba35: you don't stop iptables |
| 05:14.59 | simonlnu | Leoneof: there isn't much difference really. |
| 05:15.00 | samba35 | ic |
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| 05:15.52 | Leoneof | simonlnu: i have problems with experimental version, no kde applications like kwrite, kget...etc, and i can't log in KDE desktop. |
| 05:16.13 | pksadiq | cccc |
| 05:16.48 | simonlnu | Leoneof: you sure you got all the right versions for things? |
| 05:17.16 | pksadiq | SORRY, ERROR |
| 05:17.33 | simonlnu | Leoneof: stuff like this, you should be asking in #debian-next, on oftc, btw. but i'm also there ;p |
| 05:17.36 | Leoneof | simonlnu: i followed this like http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde47.html |
| 05:17.45 | Leoneof | :[ |
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| 05:18.47 | hochron | !dpkg mpg |
| 05:18.47 | dpkg | i guess mpg is try mtv, http://www.mpegtv.com |
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| 05:19.27 | simonlnu | Leoneof: did you remove that preferences file? it'll help |
| 05:19.41 | Leoneof | simonlnu: yes, i removed that file |
| 05:19.44 | simonlnu | Leoneof: btw, if you did that on squeeze, i'm not surprised it broke things.... |
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| 05:19.57 | boadicea | Morning simonlnu |
| 05:19.58 | Leoneof | O__O |
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| 05:20.08 | simonlnu | boadicea: hi |
| 05:20.31 | simonlnu | Leoneof: you are on something like wheezy or sid i hope? |
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| 05:20.48 | Leoneof | simonlnu: no, it is squeeze |
| 05:20.52 | simonlnu | omg |
| 05:21.09 | simonlnu | *facepalm* |
| 05:21.15 | Leoneof | :( |
| 05:21.43 | simonlnu | Leoneof: ok, do you know how to use aptitude? this will help a lot |
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| 05:22.10 | Leoneof | yes i know how to install remove upgrade, but not downgrade :[ |
| 05:22.14 | simonlnu | Leoneof: also, do you understand how the dependencies work? |
| 05:22.21 | Leoneof | yes! |
| 05:22.57 | simonlnu | ok, good. this should be doable, but *tedious*, and hopefully we'll have something not borked ;). |
| 05:23.49 | Harzilein | lots of apt get install libfoo=1.2.3 i guess ;) |
| 05:24.30 | boadicea | I'm keeping stum |
| 05:24.55 | simonlnu | Leoneof: pop up your aptitude. now, find every single meta-package (stuff like 'kde', 'plasma-desktop', etc. and downgrade the ones that have 'stable' next to them. keep doing this for everything, all the real packages, meta-packages that you got from experimental until you don't have anything broken. |
| 05:25.13 | simonlnu | oops, forgot ) after etc. |
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| 05:25.50 | simonlnu | Harzilein: that's too long |
| 05:26.31 | simonlnu | Leoneof: trick to this is is to go on each package, and go inside, i.e., press enter on each one, it'll show you the description, long description, all the versions available |
| 05:27.08 | simonlnu | luckily you didn't install libc6 from sid |
| 05:27.24 | simonlnu | because that's a whole other bag of beans |
| 05:28.03 | simonlnu | keep pressing b and looking for relevant packages |
| 05:28.29 | simonlnu | the kde folks were kind enough to provide a nice list with that preferences file ;) |
| 05:29.25 | simonlnu | Leoneof: next time, please don't mix things like that ok? :) |
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| 05:29.59 | Leoneof | well, it was 'kde experimental' fault :) |
| 05:30.48 | simonlnu | it's built for sid, not squeeze, and they won't do that for stable anyway. stable only gets security and other critical updates |
| 05:31.02 | Leoneof | i see |
| 05:31.15 | Leoneof | thanks :D |
| 05:31.28 | simonlnu | np. just keep doing that until it's ok |
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| 05:31.35 | florek | hello |
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| 05:31.47 | simonlnu | Leoneof: make sure to install the squeeze versions |
| 05:31.51 | simonlnu | florek: hi |
| 05:31.52 | florek | On HD 2600 Pro screen gets corrupted during boot |
| 05:31.55 | Leoneof | okay! |
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| 05:32.06 | florek | nomodeset kernel param. doesn't work |
| 05:32.13 | florek | I'm wondering what to do... |
| 05:32.30 | simonlnu | Leoneof: i don't do this in here usualy, btw, and don't expect others to support this in here. like i said, it's in #debian-next on oftc. |
| 05:32.43 | simonlnu | Leoneof: good luck :) |
| 05:32.58 | simonlnu | florek: how doesn't it work? |
| 05:33.39 | simonlnu | florek: does it stay that way? |
| 05:33.49 | Leoneof | simonlnu: now it is my fault , thanks ;) |
| 05:34.00 | simonlnu | oops, usually* |
| 05:34.05 | florek | on windows it's ok |
| 05:34.12 | florek | on first few seconds of boot too |
| 05:34.19 | florek | then screen blanks, and pow, everything is corrupted |
| 05:34.23 | simonlnu | well, yeh, they write the windows driver first |
| 05:34.28 | florek | one big artefact on screen |
| 05:34.36 | florek | I just want to see console |
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| 05:35.29 | simonlnu | florek: what tells you it's not working? maybe you have the wrong driver. |
| 05:35.34 | simonlnu | !radeonhd |
| 05:35.35 | dpkg | radeonhd is a deprecated open source display driver for Radeon R5xx, R6xx and R7xx chipsets. Packaged as xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd, ask me about <radeon firmware>. radeonhd does not support <KMS> (Debian bug #575226). http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeonhd #radeonhd on irc.freenode.net. Removed from Debian post-Squeeze to resolve bug #612190, ask me about <radeon>. |
| 05:36.01 | florek | There is no driver |
| 05:36.05 | simonlnu | florek: did you install the firmware too? |
| 05:36.05 | florek | i.e. I'm not even launching Xorg |
| 05:36.21 | simonlnu | that's gonna be needed whether or not you use x |
| 05:36.22 | florek | I didn't install anything, minimal install |
| 05:36.25 | florek | hmm |
| 05:36.31 | simonlnu | !non-free |
| 05:36.31 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system run "aptitude search '~i~snon-free'". For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 05:36.32 | florek | you're saying it might be firmware? |
| 05:36.46 | simonlnu | !non-free sources |
| 05:36.46 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 05:36.47 | florek | is there some "safe" mode I can launch system in? |
| 05:36.49 | florek | just to install it? |
| 05:36.56 | florek | ok, I know this, but thanks |
| 05:37.00 | Leoneof | simonlnu: it is possible to use source code for kde desktop basic, and compile it? |
| 05:37.04 | boadicea | Rescue |
| 05:37.10 | simonlnu | boot with init=/bin/bash |
| 05:37.23 | simonlnu | Leoneof: that's a *lot* of compiling |
| 05:37.33 | simonlnu | or use a rescue cd, yes |
| 05:37.36 | Leoneof | okay :[ |
| 05:38.01 | simonlnu | Leoneof: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 05:39.02 | simonlnu | brb, restarting x session |
| 05:39.07 | Leoneof | simonlnu: oh, backport? that doesn't contain new kde |
| 05:39.10 | Leoneof | okay! |
| 05:39.21 | florek | ok |
| 05:39.24 | florek | radeon.modeset=0 |
| 05:39.32 | florek | I'll tinker further, thanks simonlnu :) |
| 05:39.36 | florek | bye to all |
| 05:39.46 | simonlnu | Leoneof: not backports.debian.org but fetching sid and experimental source packages and building that on your squeeze box |
| 05:39.56 | simonlnu | ok |
| 05:40.01 | Leoneof | ah ok |
| 05:40.03 | Leoneof | thanks ^_^ |
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| 05:43.44 | simonlnu | np |
| 05:44.09 | simonlnu | still a lot of compiling ;) |
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| 06:14.28 | testirc_ | hi, how to tell what programs where running on 1st jan? including arguments passed to programs |
| 06:14.40 | testirc_ | Im using accouting / acct so this info should be somewhere? |
| 06:17.11 | kingsley | testirc_: That's tough. |
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| 06:17.29 | kingsley | testirc_: I'm unaware of that information being logged by default. |
| 06:17.43 | testirc_ | well not by default, I added acct program |
| 06:17.55 | kingsley | testirc_: There may be a specific package that can, once you install it. |
| 06:18.11 | kingsley | Oh, I see. |
| 06:18.19 | testirc_ | and sa program |
| 06:18.21 | testirc_ | " sa summarizes information about previously executed commands as recorded in the acct file." |
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| 06:24.49 | da_tash | ,versions dillo |
| 06:24.51 | judd | Package: dillo on i386 -- sid: 3.0.2-1; wheezy: 3.0.2-1 |
| 06:24.57 | da_tash | !dillo |
| 06:24.57 | dpkg | Dillo is a minimalistic web browser no longer distributed by Debian (see bug #577019). http://www.dillo.org/ |
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| 06:27.04 | streuner_ | da_tash: feel free to edit the factoid :-) |
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| 06:28.35 | da_tash | streuner_: IDK how :( that's why I am writing in here, if you tell me how... |
| 06:28.40 | da_tash | I'll do it :D |
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| 06:29.28 | streuner_ | da_tash: /msg dpkg help or just visit infobot.org |
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| 06:30.41 | streuner_ | da_tash: http://www.infobot.org/guide-0.43.x.html |
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| 06:31.46 | Siphonblast | for someone who has only read about the first 20 pages of The Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs, done an anemic amount of Java, and had a really weak experience with emacs as my only IDE, where on earth do I go to really get into developing? I'm quite confused (as you can all tell). |
| 06:32.15 | Siphonblast | I mean, obviously to learn more languages is the goal, but that's too broad. I'm not really sure where to branch out in learning emacs and associated computer science in general. |
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| 06:35.48 | karlpinc | Siphonblast: Install the emacs tuitorial/docs in non-free and take the tuitorial. |
| 06:36.03 | da_tash | !dillo |
| 06:36.03 | dpkg | i heard dillo is a minimalistic GNU GPLv3 licenced web browser. |
| 06:36.13 | da_tash | it's something? |
| 06:36.15 | da_tash | lo |
| 06:36.16 | da_tash | l |
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| 06:36.30 | streuner_ | da_tash: its fine, thank you. |
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| 06:37.29 | karlpinc | Siphonblast: Then, either continue with the book, after reading the guile faq regarding how to write the first line to get a self-contained executable, or pick some project to contribute to (in a more widely used language). |
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| 07:02.07 | Leoneof | hello, i see KDE version 5.66 in synaptic, how to restore to its default version 4.4.5 ? |
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| 07:03.19 | simonlnu | ,versions kde |
| 07:03.21 | judd | Package: kde on i386 -- lenny: 5:48; squeeze: 5:66 |
| 07:03.36 | simonlnu | Leoneof: that's normal, 'kde' is a meta-package |
| 07:03.46 | Leoneof | simonlnu: i can't remove it |
| 07:03.57 | simonlnu | don't have to |
| 07:04.13 | gnarface | the only way to win the game |
| 07:04.15 | gnarface | is not to play |
| 07:04.17 | simonlnu | 'kde' the package, is supposed to be at 5:66, see above |
| 07:04.21 | Leoneof | ok, i want to delete db for this thing, possible? |
| 07:04.29 | simonlnu | what? |
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| 07:04.58 | simonlnu | what db? |
| 07:04.59 | gnarface | possible? almost certainly. easy for non-KDE developers (everyone here, i'm assuming) ...nope |
| 07:05.01 | Leoneof | simonlnu: i want to delete file that store info about kde 5:66 |
| 07:05.06 | Leoneof | simonlnu: database |
| 07:05.18 | gnarface | rm -rf ~/.kde? |
| 07:05.20 | simonlnu | Leoneof: um, you're not understaning something |
| 07:05.24 | simonlnu | stand* |
| 07:05.37 | simonlnu | !meta-package |
| 07:05.44 | simonlnu | !meta package |
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| 07:05.55 | gnarface | !gimp |
| 07:05.55 | dpkg | GIMP (GNU Image Manipulation Program) is a free software raster graphics editor. It is used for such tasks as photo retouching, image composition and image authoring. http://www.gimp.org/docs/userfaq.html http://manual.gimp.org/ http://www.gimp.org/ #gimp-users and #gimp on irc.gimp.org. |
| 07:06.05 | gnarface | !kde |
| 07:06.05 | dpkg | K Desktop Environment (KDE) is based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org/ for release news and other details. Not a window manager. To get or delete KDE, ask me about <install kde> or <remove kde> respectively. Ask your KDE questions in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), see also <kde_trouble>. http://wiki.debian.org/KDE KDE-related IRC channels: http://userbase.kde.org/IRC_Channels |
| 07:06.14 | simonlnu | !metapackage |
| 07:06.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line. The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example). |
| 07:06.15 | gnarface | there it is simonlnu |
| 07:06.21 | Leoneof | simonlnu: i know it is meta package, but it is possible to remove it from the menu in synaptic? |
| 07:06.35 | Leoneof | duh |
| 07:06.38 | gnarface | Leoneof: ask the bot about "remove kde" |
| 07:06.46 | simonlnu | sure, but it's going to take the other stuff with it. unless that's what you want ;). |
| 07:07.01 | Leoneof | simonlnu: i want to try O_O |
| 07:07.04 | simonlnu | thought Leoneof wanted kde installed |
| 07:07.12 | simonlnu | ok |
| 07:07.30 | gnarface | most commonly asked KDE support question: how do i remove KDE? |
| 07:07.38 | simonlnu | gnarface: thanks but not what i was looking for :) |
| 07:07.45 | gnarface | most commonly asked gnome support question: how do i remove Gnome? |
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| 07:08.09 | Leoneof | gnarface: it is not about removing KDE, but i installed experimental KDE in Squeeze version :( |
| 07:08.11 | simonlnu | Leoneof: have fun |
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| 07:08.31 | gnarface | Leoneof: next time make a backup first |
| 07:08.31 | Leoneof | in=over |
| 07:08.47 | Leoneof | backup what? |
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| 07:08.56 | simonlnu | your system |
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| 07:09.05 | gnarface | Leoneof: everything, if you have the disk space. otherwise, at least /home, /etc and your installed package list |
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| 07:09.56 | Leoneof | i have all packages, and home folder too. |
| 07:10.24 | simonlnu | Leoneof: ignore that for now, just do what you wanted to do with purging 'kde' |
| 07:10.50 | simonlnu | too late to do the backup now the damage is done ;) |
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| 07:11.04 | simonlnu | once it's fixed, *then* make the backup ;) |
| 07:11.13 | gnarface | hah |
| 07:11.17 | gnarface | fair point |
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| 07:11.20 | Leoneof | simonlnu: i have them before that |
| 07:11.25 | Leoneof | also, i have 8 DVDs :) |
| 07:11.25 | simonlnu | cool |
| 07:11.58 | simonlnu | << not as dub as he looks :P |
| 07:12.03 | simonlnu | dumb, hah |
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| 07:12.11 | simonlnu | hehehe |
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| 07:12.39 | Leoneof | lol |
| 07:12.47 | simonlnu | is LOL for real |
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| 07:14.20 | simonlnu | i'm not dub either :P hehe |
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| 07:15.37 | Leoneof | ah, you are cool. |
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| 07:19.20 | simonlnu | thanks, that's nice |
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| 07:32.28 | Leoneof | yay |
| 07:32.38 | Leoneof | i'm running kde applications |
| 07:32.51 | Leoneof | simonlnu: thanks :) |
| 07:32.59 | Leoneof | gnarface: thanks ;) |
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| 08:21.29 | binbash_ | So, i have a simple question. |
| 08:21.55 | gnarface | state it |
| 08:21.56 | binbash_ | If you have 1 root user (du'h) is it possible to have a different default editor for different people? |
| 08:22.04 | binbash_ | Next to ofcourse using sudo or anything like that. |
| 08:22.24 | binbash_ | It's all ssh access. |
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| 08:22.38 | binbash_ | Like could you set the env for EDITOR on ssh login? |
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| 08:23.28 | gnarface | binbash_: well you know that people's own home directories all can each contain unique environment scripts, right? |
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| 08:23.40 | binbash_ | Yes |
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| 08:25.24 | gnarface | binbash_: i've heard of a way you can use ldap and pam to create multiple root-level users, but its not advised. |
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| 08:25.58 | binbash_ | Ok :), |
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| 08:26.12 | binbash_ | My preferd way would be to just use sudo with a normal user. |
| 08:26.17 | gnarface | binbash_: what i do personally is just use group-level access to allow users to run important things as themselves, eliminating the need for everyone to be constantly using root terminal or sudoing every damned command |
| 08:26.35 | binbash_ | Then everybody can knock them self out, but you will still have the issue with sudo -> root -> root env. |
| 08:27.18 | gnarface | no, the point of that is to specifically eliminate that issue |
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| 08:27.20 | binbash_ | I was thinking, maybe you can like, when i ssh in to the box as my own user, run some commands (like change the editor for current session). And then just hit su and take the things i added with me. |
| 08:27.27 | dobber | Am I the only one that loled at the title: [SECURITY] [DSA 2383-1] super security update |
| 08:27.47 | binbash_ | gnarface you sure? if you use sudo it will uses your own env setting for the editor? |
| 08:27.58 | binbash_ | Ah yeah ofcource |
| 08:28.05 | binbash_ | sorry, a case of the mondays. |
| 08:28.23 | binbash_ | So the perfect way to fix this is to introduce sudo right :-)? |
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| 08:28.47 | gnarface | binbash_: i still recommend the group ownership path |
| 08:29.15 | gnarface | binbash_: i also recommend you read the sudo manpage. it can be used with or without root's environment |
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| 08:30.15 | da_tash | tvtime colapsed, seems like a problem with the tunner, the point is that I cant kill it, not even witj kill -9 |
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| 08:31.39 | binbash_ | gnarface thanks for the info :-). |
| 08:31.42 | gnarface | da_tash: sometimes patience fixes it. sometimes you have to unload the driver |
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| 08:35.23 | da_tash | gnarface: now the screen is black, but still cant kill it |
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| 08:36.02 | gnarface | da_tash: damn man. i dunno. have you tried exiting out of X11? |
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| 08:40.23 | TashBear | gnarface: I restarted the X and fail. so I rebooted the whole system, that was kinda ms... but well it works |
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| 08:42.07 | gnarface | blames tvtime |
| 08:42.40 | gnarface | i stopped having those problems when i switched to mplayer |
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| 08:42.55 | gnarface | (i know, of all aweful things to have to use for watching tv, right?) |
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| 08:44.03 | gnarface | TashBear: there may be an issue somewhere in your software but i couldn't say where. |
| 08:45.38 | gnarface | TashBear: have you tried any players other than tvtime? |
| 08:46.01 | gnarface | TashBear: if another player behaves better you know where to point the blame |
| 08:46.14 | TashBear | gnarface: Sorry for disconect that way, thank you, my tv tunner isn't a must for me, I just wanted to record something with memcoder meanwhile tvtunner was running... tell me about other player |
| 08:46.24 | TashBear | !myth |
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| 08:47.18 | gnarface | TashBear: i use mplayer for watching tv and ffmpeg for transcoding, and tee when i want to do both at once |
| 08:47.50 | gnarface | TashBear: but i'm certain there are other options. vlc and xine come to mind but i've never tried either for my tv tuner |
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| 08:48.25 | gnarface | !mythtv |
| 08:48.25 | dpkg | MythTV is software to turn a Linux box into a complete multi-media entertainment recording and playback center supporting - given the right hardware - TV, movies, music, and more. Not in Debian (ITP filed as bug #570611); unofficial packages can be found in <debian-multimedia>. For tuner card information, ask me about <dvb>, <ivtv>, <bttv>. http://www.mythtv.org/ #mythtv-users on irc.freenode.net. |
| 08:48.32 | gnarface | that, TashBear ? ^^^^^ |
| 08:48.49 | gnarface | its also quite popular, but i haven't messed with it in a long time |
| 08:49.15 | TashBear | I didnt want to try something outside debian, I'll try mplayer |
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| 08:50.38 | BitPuffin | does anyone here use wajig? |
| 08:50.56 | gnarface | TashBear: hauppage tv tuner card: mplayer -nocache -vo vdpau:deint=4,hqscaling:9 -vf pp=al -aspect 16:9 -demuxer rawvideo -rawvideo format=hm12:w=720:h=480:fps=29.97 /dev/video32 |
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| 08:56.44 | BitPuffin | If I wanna change my sources to stable I just edit the sources.list and the places where it says "squeeze main" I change it to "stable main" or "stable-updates main" etc? |
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| 09:12.53 | babilen | BitPuffin: Yes, but you shouldn't do that as an upgrade between releases might involve more steps than just a blind "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 09:24.53 | LordTrev | Spent the night...upgrading from woody to lenny....dear god... |
| 09:25.19 | gnarface | hilarious |
| 09:25.23 | gnarface | but why? |
| 09:26.01 | LordTrev | I didn't even have sysvinit at one point, can't believe I managed it |
| 09:26.10 | LordTrev | also the archives for buzz are messed up |
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| 09:28.23 | LordTrev | gnarface, old laptops are no fun to work with |
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| 09:29.20 | LordTrev | Or to get a working linux install |
| 09:29.20 | LordTrev | Er, modern |
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| 09:35.52 | BitPuffin | babilen, well what do I do when debian 7 comes out? |
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| 09:56.24 | ruslan_osmanov | hi. I wonder why my `cd somedir' command doesn't work un debian.rules |
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| 09:58.39 | ruslan_osmanov | well, I'm not building a "true debian" package, but using opensuse build service. Here is and excerpt with error message http://susepaste.org/65007592 . Should I make something like cd dir && phpize && ... ? Or there is some macro to do this? |
| 09:59.45 | dwfreed | ruslan_osmanov: since debian.rules is actually just a makefile, yes, you'll have to do that |
| 10:00.08 | ruslan_osmanov | dwfreed, thank you |
| 10:00.17 | dwfreed | make executes each line in its own shell, so a cd in one line won't affect any other line |
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| 10:03.06 | ruslan_osmanov | dwfreed, or `set -e' at the top ? |
| 10:03.23 | dwfreed | ruslan_osmanov: that'd probably be a really bad idea to do |
| 10:04.39 | sveinse | Hi. I'm trying to install some packages to a staging directory. I'm using apt.conf setting RootDir to prefix root into the staging directory. apt-get update downloads the indexes, but at the end it fails as it tries to access the system's /var/lib/dpkg/lock, despite the RootDir setting. Bug? |
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| 10:10.12 | ompaul | sveinse: I'd doubt it, mostly because you are doing an apt thing and it usually needs to be sure there are no other apts going on at the same time |
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| 10:11.54 | sveinse | ompaul: No other apt is going on. The whole point of the RootDir setting is that is should not interfer at all with the system dpkg/apt! Stracing apt-get reveals that it works like it should inside its staging dir, except the last failing lock |
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| 10:14.04 | ompaul | sveinse: pastebin in paste.debian.net your apt.conf file - it might be useful for checking against |
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| 10:16.51 | sveinse | ompaul: It's very short: RootDir "/tmp/staging"; Dpkg::Options "--root=/tmp/staging"; I then run apt-get with APT_CONFIG=/tmp/apt.conf apt-get update (after setting sources.list inside the staging dir) |
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| 10:17.39 | sveinse | It downloads the indexes (into the proper locations in the staging dir), but fails when it's about to quit apt-get |
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| 10:18.02 | tetreb | Hi, anzbodz knwos how to tell clusterssh to use telnet? The wiki and manuals are vague. I already emptied ssh_args in the rc file, but I don't know how I should point it to telnet. http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/clusterssh/index.php?title=FAQ#telnet |
| 10:18.22 | sveinse | Fails = "E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)" and "E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?" |
| 10:18.31 | ompaul | sveinse: there is a status directive as I understand it and that might be what you want |
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| 10:20.09 | sveinse | ompaul: stracing apt-get reveals that it locks /tmp/staging/var/lib/dpkg/lock prior to index download (like it should), but it tries to access /var/lib/dpkg/lock when done |
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| 10:20.32 | Pegasus_RPGAMD64 | Hello. I've discovered on SQueeze that K3B is not using libparanoia even though I set paranoia mode to 3. How can I fix this? |
| 10:20.58 | janny | Hello everyone, I'm having issues with playing video. It seems most programs can't find my video output. For example mplayer -vo xv doesn't give anything, but -vo x11 works fine |
| 10:21.07 | janny | Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 10:21.24 | janny | squeeze 2.6.39 |
| 10:21.31 | somiaj | janny: type xvinfo (maybe you are using vesa or not the right graphics drivers for x) |
| 10:22.04 | janny | i changed from vesa to intel in xorg.conf |
| 10:22.20 | janny | it says adaptor #0: Intel(R) Textured Video |
| 10:22.51 | somiaj | hmm, well that shoudl say if you have the xv enabled, dont' see anything else there? You could check out your xorg log file, see if there are any warnings |
| 10:23.03 | ompaul | sveinse: have a look at file /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz I'm pretty sure that the status I mention is the thing you want |
| 10:23.14 | janny | it gives me a bunch of stuff, but not sure what it all means |
| 10:23.19 | ompaul | sveinse: has its only little stanza |
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| 10:24.00 | janny | http://nopaste.info/9a6a4c25ec.html |
| 10:24.24 | sveinse | ompaul: Yes, I am familiar with the status setting. However the doc also mentions that using RootDir overrides everything, including status and state... But I can try of course |
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| 10:25.43 | ompaul | adam8157_away: you know it's much better to just do /away reason and not announce to the world that you have gone away - wouldn't be great in a 1.1k channel if all people did it :) |
| 10:25.59 | ompaul | adam8157_away: if anyone looks at your nick they will then see you are away |
| 10:26.11 | somiaj | janny: well check your xorg log file and maybe look at the output of mplayer see why it cant dected the xvideo extension |
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| 10:26.37 | somiaj | janny: are you apart of the video group? |
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| 10:28.47 | taranto | bom dia srs. |
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| 10:28.59 | janny | let me check that, one sec |
| 10:29.02 | ruslan_osmanov | I'm building deb for a php(pecl) extension. `make install DESTDIR=/usr/src/packages/BUILD/debian/php-pecl-eio' causes it to install in /usr/lib. What env var should I use? |
| 10:29.03 | janny | be right back |
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| 10:29.50 | ruslan_osmanov | well, the problem is that it causes `permisson error' on a build service I use |
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| 10:30.36 | janny | yes, i am part of the video group |
| 10:30.47 | sveinse | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/151516/ Here you can try for yourself. It fails regardless of using the status stanza or not. |
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| 10:33.12 | user1 | Hello, what is the best to do an equivalent windows remote desktop on linux it is just for simple & secure remote usage |
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| 10:34.20 | user1 | i like the ssh x11 forwarding but it seems to be very laggy ... |
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| 10:36.18 | afuentes | user1, freenx, oh, and try to use -C when ssh, it saves lots of bandwidth |
| 10:36.20 | afuentes | what happens when you run out of space to allocate new extends in ext4? is not allowed to write anymore even tho there are tons of blocks available? |
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| 10:38.27 | Pegasus_RPGAMD64 | hm strange, I had to erase my config then it works |
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| 10:41.08 | ompaul | sveinse: eh run it as root and it does what you want |
| 10:41.08 | user1 | afuentes: I tried with the -C option but it was not usable, i will try with freenx ty for tip :- |
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| 10:42.39 | afuentes | i have not tried yet user1 but jitsi, makes possible to share desktop as well and i heard it works awesome |
| 10:43.12 | afuentes | its not packaged for debian in repositories, tho |
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| 10:50.46 | janny | well, can't get xv to work. is there any way to make the default video output x11? |
| 10:51.03 | janny | for all programs |
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| 10:52.52 | praecox | hello |
| 10:53.16 | praecox | can anyone help me out with compiling BNX2 driver under Debian Squeeze: |
| 10:53.17 | praecox | http://pastebin.com/bgGcAxry |
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| 11:01.20 | babilen | BitPuffin: You follow wheezy's (Debian 7) release notes, which will include changing squeeze specific sources to those appropriate for wheezy. Furthermore you won't be surprised to find a broken system after wheezy's release due to some incomplete upgrade, you can choose the time *you* want to upgrade to your liking, etc |
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| 11:01.39 | chelz | any people versed in gpg usage, i would appreciate any help with this: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/532140/ |
| 11:02.16 | sveinse | ompaul: Does it? In my setup apt-get access /var/lib/dpkg/lock which is certainly should not! |
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| 11:03.57 | babilen | praecox: Why do you compile it? (as opposed to just using the kernel module (bnx2{,i,x} that comes with your kernel? |
| 11:04.42 | BitPuffin | babilen okay so it sort of just walks you through all the commands for it then? Then it's good. Thanks! |
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| 11:07.01 | babilen | BitPuffin: Exactly -- Sometimes an upgrade involves more mandatory steps than "apt-get dist-upgrade" and you might break your system if you don't follow them. Lenny->Squeeze for example needs an extra kernel/udev upgrade step and it is highly recommended to follow the release notes. I have seen some boxes going the way of the dodo after a careless sysad half-upgraded them to lenny, which is one reason why the default sources use the actual names ... |
| 11:07.07 | babilen | ... and not "stable" these days |
| 11:07.40 | ompaul | sveinse: it works when I run it as root,and test the results with stat which shows I'm ok, as does rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock and it is not recreated |
| 11:08.10 | babilen | sveinse: Why shouldn't it? |
| 11:08.11 | BitPuffin | babilen, oh well allright. You possibly saved me some potential server breakage in the future then! Thank you kind sir :) |
| 11:08.36 | babilen | BitPuffin: Great! May you have a nice day :) |
| 11:09.17 | sveinse | bibilen: If the doc is correct, the "RootDir" apt.conf setting should move everything into the dir specified, including the locks and statuses |
| 11:09.18 | BitPuffin | You too! |
| 11:09.26 | praecox | babilen, because my NIC hangs up the network connections sometime and I couldn't find a suitable solution. |
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| 11:11.40 | ompaul | sveinse: did you see what I said, I ran your version of the world as root, it worked, you are not doing what you suggest. I tested it by removing the lock in my own apt location, and it was not, repeat NOT recreated. |
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| 11:15.30 | bolt | is there a way of accessing (and changing) the permissions of a directory while something is mounted in it? |
| 11:15.55 | bolt | (changing the permissions it will have when nothing is mounted there, that is) |
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| 11:16.04 | sveinse | ompaul: Yes, it does work as root here as well. However strace tells me it uses that apt-get uses system dirs regardless of the RootDir, so I guess RootDir is not a chroot mechanism |
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| 11:17.07 | jww_ | hello guys |
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| 11:17.19 | et | bye |
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| 11:17.27 | simonlnu | waves |
| 11:18.12 | simonlnu | jww_: decided to come back and stick around? |
| 11:18.25 | jww_ | I've setuped sofware raid for /home partition on some server, but on reboot it doesn't seems to build the md1 array, |
| 11:18.39 | jww_ | does someone know what could be the problem ? |
| 11:18.40 | babilen | praecox: Well, I am not convinced that compiling the module out of tree will help -- Which NIC is it (lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet) and do you have the firmware installed? It might be worth a try to test the backported .39 kernel from bdo (/msg dpkg bdo kernel) |
| 11:18.43 | jww_ | simonlnu: yep. |
| 11:19.15 | praecox | simonlnu, hi there again - still having problem with my NIC and Broadcom driver/firmware. |
| 11:19.33 | simonlnu | damn :/ |
| 11:19.44 | praecox | babilen, Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme II BCM5708S Gigabit Ethernet |
| 11:20.10 | praecox | babilen, I have already installed ii firmware-bnx2 0.28+squeeze1 Binary firmware for Broadcom NetXtremeII |
| 11:20.32 | babilen | praecox: That is not the output of the command I gave you -- In particular I would need the PCIID of that NIC (alphanumerical identifier at the end) |
| 11:20.33 | simonlnu | babilen: the card starts not working any more. right, praecox? |
| 11:20.46 | simonlnu | !bcm8878 |
| 11:20.55 | simonlnu | !bcm5709 |
| 11:20.56 | dpkg | bnx2 is the in-tree Linux driver for Broadcom NetXtreme II 1Gb (BCM5706/5708/5709/5716) Ethernet controllers. Firmware from userspace is required since linux-2.6 2.6.24-7; ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-bnx2 package to provide. To provide firmware for device use at Debian installation time, ask me about <installer firmware>. See also <bnx2x>. |
| 11:20.57 | praecox | babilen, sorry - 03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme II BCM5708S Gigabit Ethernet [14e4:16ac] (rev 12) |
| 11:21.09 | simonlnu | whatever, 08 not 09 |
| 11:21.16 | babilen | praecox: Thanks :) |
| 11:21.30 | simonlnu | babilen: we tried the firmware thing, that didn't work |
| 11:21.42 | simonlnu | still continued to behave the same |
| 11:21.52 | babilen | simonlnu: Ah, you've been at it for some time already? |
| 11:22.15 | simonlnu | the other day, fri. or sat. |
| 11:22.22 | praecox | simonlnu, the problem is that it stops and starts again in a few momemnt. |
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| 11:22.43 | simonlnu | ooh yeh |
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| 11:23.17 | praecox | it looks like this right now: http://pastebin.com/4gyyjnus |
| 11:23.18 | simonlnu | i had one nic that did almost that. stops and never come back. on a recent kernel. |
| 11:23.54 | simonlnu | ugh |
| 11:24.16 | praecox | simonlnu, what I was trying to do is to compile the fresh version of driver from Broadcom site by hand - but I ran into this: http://pastebin.com/bgGcAxry |
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| 11:25.19 | simonlnu | you might have the wrong version for the kernel headers/kernel you have there |
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| 11:28.06 | praecox | simonlnu, nope, compiling for the current kernel, headers are the same as the kernel currently running. |
| 11:28.30 | simonlnu | ok, just checking |
| 11:29.41 | simonlnu | ok, i just remembered the point of the question. the source you're compiling might be the wrong one for your kernel. sorry i wasn't clear. |
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| 11:30.35 | praecox | simonlnu, oh. hm. |
| 11:31.02 | praecox | simonlnu, http://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/netxtremeii.php |
| 11:31.49 | praecox | simonlnu, that's where I took them from. README says it's suitable for kernel >2.6 |
| 11:32.37 | simonlnu | ookay |
| 11:32.57 | jww_ | so so guys nobody know why a software raid array won't build on reboot ? |
| 11:33.08 | jww_ | I just did it by hand with mdadm --assemble, it works fine. |
| 11:33.16 | simonlnu | cat /proc/mdstat says what? |
| 11:34.07 | jww_ | now I assembled the array, it show md5 with his 2 disk, but before no array were shown. |
| 11:34.13 | jww_ | I can pastebin stuff if you need. |
| 11:34.21 | praecox | simonlnu, I also found that adding options bnx2 disable_msi=1 to modprobe.d/foo.conf might help. |
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| 11:34.34 | praecox | simonlnu, just gave it a shot and restarted - let's what happens. |
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| 11:35.22 | simonlnu | ok |
| 11:35.23 | praecox | jww_, why would it build on reboot if it's already built? |
| 11:35.55 | jww_ | praecox: sorry praecox I mean assemble, it's doesn't assemble on boot. |
| 11:36.43 | simonlnu | jww_: until it says completed in /proc/mdtstat you can't reboot the machine, otherwise it'll keep rebuilding |
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| 11:39.18 | jww_ | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/532148/ here is my /proc/mdstat, it seems ok to me. |
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| 11:40.00 | simonlnu | ok, it's seems ok |
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| 11:40.31 | simonlnu | but it's not showing up in /dev/md* ? |
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| 11:41.33 | praecox | simonlnu, any suggestion on building bnx2 driver from source? |
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| 11:42.06 | jww_ | simonlnu: it show in /dev/m5 and works fine. but I did mdadm --assemble myself, |
| 11:42.23 | jww_ | when I tried with /etc/init.d/mdadm start, it didn't . |
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| 11:43.10 | mgaunard__ | I booted in text mode and manually started X |
| 11:43.21 | mgaunard__ | and the Fn keys of my keyboard do not work |
| 11:43.29 | mgaunard__ | I'm using a logitech keyboard on a desktop computer |
| 11:43.35 | mgaunard__ | what can I do to enable those keys |
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| 11:44.04 | simonlnu | praecox: no idea. seems screwy that source. they redfine things. |
| 11:44.17 | simonlnu | redefine* |
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| 12:01.25 | abhinavmehta | if I'm having both boot loader installed eg. LILO & GRUB, and I want to know, which boot loader I'm using…how to find ? |
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| 12:03.14 | ChrisH | abhinavmehta: have a quick look on how they show up? LILO: or Welcome to Grub .... given I understodd the Q correct |
| 12:05.09 | abhinavmehta | I'm making a cloud instance..so can't see welcome screening... |
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| 12:05.37 | abhinavmehta | it would be hosted by some cloud-vendor |
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| 12:07.41 | abhinavmehta | ..and that checking the path would also not work…as on some cloud-instance there is a chance that both are installed but os is using anyone of them. |
| 12:08.13 | ChrisH | hmm, just an idea to be checked: cat /proc/cmdline and try to find these lines in lilo config and/or grub config |
| 12:10.45 | abhinavmehta | there is no info act boot loader in that file. |
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| 12:11.38 | ChrisH | sure not, but thats the options the bootloader provided the kernel. Its only an indect approach |
| 12:12.13 | abhinavmehta | ChrisH: hmm |
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| 12:14.47 | ChrisH | google asked for "determine linux boot loader" leads to: http://blog.eukhost.com/webhosting/how-to-determine-boot-loader/ |
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| 12:16.28 | abhinavmehta | ChrisH: really thank you so much for your inputs….I've found this earlier, but I was trying to avoid this…coz I don't know my had-name…it will be random or depending on cloud-service provider. |
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| 12:22.46 | antgel | hi all. i know lightdm doesn't source .profile, and i don't think any of the dms do actually. anyway what's the best way round this? source it from .bashrc? |
| 12:23.10 | antgel | i have no idea why it's like this, why would i not want my path and environment vars set if i login via a display manager... |
| 12:23.23 | ChrisH | abhinavmehta: Can't you assume, the boot loader is on the disk where the /boot partition is on? starting df -h /boot and doing some script magic to get from /dev/sda5 to /dev/sda? All options I currently woul expect it: sdX, hdX, mdX |
| 12:25.41 | abhinavmehta | ChrisH: ..I can do that, but that will make code little messy and I love my-code…so trying to make things clear, if I could…else what you suggested is always an option. |
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| 12:27.47 | mosno | What does the aptitude manual mean by "all others" in: "If the configuration option Apt::Install-Recommends is true, aptitude will always attempt to fulfill “new” and “previously satisfied” recommendations; all others will be ignored by immediate resolution."? |
| 12:28.30 | mosno | ie. does this imply that there is a 3rd category of recommendations? |
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| 12:54.46 | judgen | Sweet |
| 12:54.57 | judgen | finally i got my system set up as i like it |
| 12:55.12 | judgen | onlt a little sad that centerim does not work for me |
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| 12:57.20 | et | !woody->sid |
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| 13:04.15 | martman | grub-install will install grub on the MBR, but how can i populate /boot with grub files also? |
| 13:04.21 | martman | i have kernel, initrd, etc |
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| 13:06.57 | bolt | et: you don't wanna go straight from woody to sid |
| 13:07.35 | et | bolt: that's what dpkg tells me. It tells me to upgrade to sarge first, then go to sid |
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| 13:08.02 | bolt | et: there are a couple more as well. go through all of them |
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| 13:08.57 | bolt | et: actually, if you're going to use sid, you should already know everything, so i'll just stop talking :) |
| 13:09.15 | et | i was just amused that that factoid still exists |
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| 13:13.08 | jelly | mosno: well there are Recommends that a user elected not to install... |
| 13:13.19 | jelly | mosno: or explicitely removed |
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| 13:19.01 | MK007 | where am i? |
| 13:19.25 | MK007 | which country is this place? |
| 13:19.26 | mosno | jelly: explicitly removed in the same aptitude "run"? |
| 13:19.51 | simonlnu | MK007: nowhere and everywhere |
| 13:20.28 | MK007 | u name it and i'll be there |
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| 13:21.02 | jelly | mosno: no. At any time in the past, too. |
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| 13:22.35 | mosno | jelly: so it knows from /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates? |
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| 13:26.21 | jelly | mosno: I guess, yes. |
| 13:27.05 | jelly | MK007: freenode network has server in different countries, on different continents |
| 13:27.09 | jelly | servers* |
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| 13:29.36 | johest | hi there, i have some problems finding an package which provides Crypt/OpenPGP.pm |
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| 13:30.51 | nkuttler | !tell johest about search |
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| 13:31.40 | jelly | johest: also: /msg judd file Crypt/OpenPGP.pm |
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| 13:32.17 | jelly | consider the Perl module package naming, it might be in libcrypt-openpgp-perl if such a package exists |
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| 13:33.34 | johest | well, but i know i can use apt-file search Crypt/OpenPGP.pm which leads to an /usr/share/perl5/DBIx/Class/EncodedColumn/Crypt/OpenPGP.pm but these tells "use Crypt::OpenPGP;" and does not provide it |
| 13:33.53 | jelly | johest: if there is none, you can try using dh-make-perl to create a package out of a CPAN module, like this: dh-make-perl --build --cpan Crypt::OpenPGP |
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| 13:35.09 | johest | jelly: okay, let me take a look |
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| 13:38.27 | jelly | johest: you might want to install apt-file and do an "apt-file update" (as root) before getting busy with dh-make-perl |
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| 13:40.38 | Night_Elf | Hi all. What can be used as a vnc server? I mean, I have used vnc and also ssh Xforwarding and all, but on this machine I am configuring there are to work sometimes some other people from windowsland. My idea of a vnc server would be one that is session persistent, like next time one connects, to find things as left last time. |
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| 13:40.55 | Night_Elf | What vnc server can do that ? |
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| 13:43.18 | ChrisH | xvncserver should do that |
| 13:43.19 | jelly | Night_Elf: that is, indeed, how vnc servers on unix usually work |
| 13:43.32 | jelly | Night_Elf: vnc4 server for one |
| 13:45.16 | Night_Elf | jelly: I ask because last time I used such a thing, if I remember correctly it was tightvnc, it was connection dependant. It would present a clean desktop upon connection. I may be wrong though. |
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| 13:46.17 | jelly | Night_Elf: I don't think it works like that. Are you sure you merely disconnected from vnc and not logged off the X session inside vnc? |
| 13:46.35 | jelly | if that's even possible |
| 13:47.00 | Night_Elf | jelly: No I am not sure. I will try again anyhow, will see what happens upon installing tightvnc |
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| 13:49.39 | ChrisH | Night_Elf: I just checked what I use for "X connects" to remote Solaris systems. Its vncserver and it works as you requests. You can specify which processes get launched via config file |
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| 13:54.00 | Night_Elf | What does it mean the message - CConnection: Using RFB protocol version 3.8 main: End of stream - when I try to launch vncviewer towards the server ? |
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| 13:55.01 | ChrisH | jelly: This is a special one. We must connect graphical via customers web portal. To share sessions within this portal we use vncserver/vncviewer. |
| 13:55.26 | jelly | nod |
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| 13:56.45 | ChrisH | Night_Elf: does it work no not? |
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| 14:13.10 | johest | jelly: thx for the hint, doenst work that well, but here i can start |
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| 14:14.05 | jelly | johest: which debian release are you using? |
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| 14:14.17 | lancelot_of | hi there |
| 14:16.10 | Rockj | Q: I just rebooted our linux server which acts as a router, it for some reason the default eth0 device got named "rename2" , is there anything I can do to make sure this is not happening? |
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| 14:17.22 | ascheel | Rockj: check out /etc/udev/rules.d |
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| 14:17.44 | Rockj | Follow up on my question: I assume this has soemthing to do with udev resource assigning, but lspci showed the 3com ethernet card just fine. (and ifconfig rename2 showed details) |
| 14:18.31 | lancelot_of | trying kernel 3.1.0-1-amd64 on the same machine i note it makes cpu staying at 10-12 °C more in temperature than 2.6.39-2-amd64. Any suggestion?Maybe any configuration is needed? |
| 14:19.06 | Rockj | ascheel: looks like I have to regenerate 70-persistent-net.rules , it seems to still generate eth0 for another onboard nic that I disabled. |
| 14:20.05 | Rockj | ascheel: do you know how you regenerate this file ? which script to run ? |
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| 14:21.06 | joltcan | Rockj: Just remove the file and it will be re-generated next time you boot |
| 14:21.12 | joltcan | Rockj: Or edit the file and change the mac address |
| 14:21.37 | rocapal | hi! |
| 14:22.03 | Rockj | joltcan: ok, I moved the file to my homedir, ill do another reboot and see if it works as it should. :) |
| 14:24.12 | rocapal | After an updated debian sid, the keyboard and touchpad of my laptop have stopped working in graphics environment (in console of tty works fine). Any idea? |
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| 14:25.03 | Rockj | joltcan: the file doesn't get regenerated |
| 14:25.45 | joltcan | Rockj: I'm setting up a virtual system here, have remove that file three times today, and it has be re-generated all the time |
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| 14:26.24 | Rockj | joltcan: I'm running wheezy, hm. |
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| 14:27.06 | joltcan | Rockj: Ok, not running that though |
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| 14:28.06 | joltcan | Rockj: do you have /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules ? |
| 14:28.54 | Rockj | joltcan: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=652660 looks like I hit this |
| 14:29.21 | praecox | babilen, simonlnu, I don't want to jinx it, but it looks like entry 'options bnx2 "disable_msi=1"' in modprobe pretty much solved the problem. as is for now. |
| 14:29.24 | Rockj | joltcan: and no, I don't have that file. |
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| 14:30.08 | joltcan | Rockj: do you have /lib/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules ? |
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| 14:32.05 | joltcan | Rockj: If so, copy it to /etc/udev/rules.d and it will generate it next time |
| 14:32.13 | Rockj | joltcan: yup, thinking of the "fifth" line as commented in the bug report: /lib/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules |
| 14:32.17 | Rockj | in that file |
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| 14:32.34 | Rockj | joltcan: oh, hm - let me copy that file to /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
| 14:32.38 | Rockj | without modifying it. |
| 14:33.12 | Rockj | rebooting, brb. |
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| 14:34.21 | simonlnu | praecox: here's to hoping |
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| 14:36.30 | Rockj | joltcan: didn't work to copy the file from /lib/udev/rules.d/75-persitent-net-generator.rules to /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
| 14:36.54 | simonlnu | why not just rm the file and reboot or udevadm trigger? |
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| 14:39.30 | Rockj | simonlnu: I've removed the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules , but it doesn't get regenerated after a reboot |
| 14:39.56 | simonlnu | it should. did here, every time i've done it. |
| 14:41.37 | Rockj | simonlnu: my bet is that I hit this one: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=652660 |
| 14:42.55 | ascheel | just edit the file. |
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| 14:45.29 | simonlnu | the bug report implies explictly that editing that file will fix it. |
| 14:45.51 | simonlnu | cit |
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| 14:49.17 | Rockj | hm, actually it already had the fifth line in already when I checked the file. |
| 14:49.29 | Rockj | bah, Ill just use the old one and edit it manually somehow |
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| 14:56.47 | HideMe | On my Debian 6 Virtual Machine I keep seeing "mpt-statusd: detected non-optimal RAID status" in syslog, even though I'm not using RAID. Any ideas why? |
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| 14:57.23 | joltcan | Rockj: Yeah, just change the MAC |
| 14:57.33 | simonlnu | purge that thing? obvious why it's complaining. |
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| 14:58.49 | joltcan | HideMe: what simonlnu said, remove mpt-status |
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| 14:59.47 | ZinovaS | hi, I need to count upload and download rates to my local country and rest of the world. all traffic goes out throuw the same interface ant same ISP. what route should I go? (first thought was to mark packages with iptables -j MARK for specific source or destinations ip ranges) |
| 15:00.45 | ChrisH | ZinovaS: First Question coming up to my mind: How can you determine which IP belongs to "my local country" |
| 15:01.05 | jelly | ChrisH: GeoIP database. Also: whois |
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| 15:01.26 | jelly | I mean, ZinovaS ^^ |
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| 15:01.42 | HideMe | joltcan, ok thanks |
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| 15:04.14 | ZinovaS | ChrisH, jelly, yes, geoIP db lists all ranges of IPs in my country.. the problem is how should I implement thats stats for mrtg.. is there a way to get how many bytes went throu up/dn of somehow marked packages.. |
| 15:04.25 | ZinovaS | or is it any other (better) way to do that? |
| 15:04.30 | ChrisH | jelly: But that was the answer to my question. |
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| 15:06.07 | ksx4system | is it possible to stop apt caching on hard drive? |
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| 15:06.10 | jelly | ZinovaS: if you have a set of address ranges, you can set up iptables rules for packets to pass thru, and iptables already does packet and byte counting |
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| 15:06.21 | jelly | ZinovaS: thus, no need for marking |
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| 15:09.31 | arietis | is there any gui for httpd for unix? |
| 15:09.47 | GNU\colossus | yes, a webbrowser. :) |
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| 15:09.54 | bolt | arietis: why would you want one? |
| 15:09.57 | GNU\colossus | (those using X11, that is) |
| 15:10.33 | arietis | bolt: my professor wants me to show how i can configure httpd without terminal |
| 15:10.37 | GNU\colossus | apache httpd is MUCH to complex/flexible/powerful/configurable that any kind of GUI would do these properties justices. just learn how to config the daemon, or walk away from it. |
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| 15:10.54 | bolt | arietis: what kind of a stupid assignment is that? |
| 15:11.21 | arietis | bolt: i think so too |
| 15:11.51 | bolt | arietis: install cpanel, webmin or some other crap, ship the virtual machine or whatever you're working on off to your professor and never, ever, look at that solution again |
| 15:11.52 | GNU\colossus | sounds like a trick question to me |
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| 15:13.06 | ytre4k0 | http://sergey-mavrodi.com/op/view_485.html - your invite: 245006 - invite to take part in a free lottery from Sergey Mavrodi on a site MMM-2011. One time per a week played off 10 prizes: 5 for 100 dollars and 5 for 50. To pay and inlay nothing it is needed. It is desirable to have a box on gmail.com after registration on invite you can choose English on the main page of site. thank you! we can |
| 15:13.07 | ytre4k0 | great deal! |
| 15:13.29 | GNU\colossus | like, if you even try to answer it, he'll smack you on the back of your head with a steel ruler. which he should. |
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| 15:13.55 | bolt | ytre4k0: go away |
| 15:13.56 | arietis | ban this spammer |
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| 15:14.25 | arietis | haha |
| 15:15.17 | dvs | bows towards arietis |
| 15:15.18 | arietis | bolt: he said also that i should show how web-server protocol works, and which services it uses to display content like html, css, images etc |
| 15:15.36 | bolt | arietis: another trick question, then |
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| 15:15.44 | bolt | arietis: the web server doesn't display anything at all |
| 15:16.06 | bolt | arietis: your professor is an idiot |
| 15:16.13 | arietis | bolt: seems like :D |
| 15:16.18 | ksx4system | one more time: is it possible to force apt NOT to cache on hdd/ssd? and preferably move temporary directory of apt to ram |
| 15:16.31 | arietis | but i can't say it to him or i'll be kicked off :D |
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| 15:17.48 | arietis | is there a way to check transcrpt or log of messages between server and client on 80 port? |
| 15:18.07 | arietis | except wireshark way |
| 15:18.34 | bolt | wireshark, or reading rfc's |
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| 15:18.50 | Guest63102 | !ciao |
| 15:18.50 | dpkg | i heard ciao is both hello and goodbye (casual), or a slow and old but widely known Prolog interpreter. |
| 15:18.58 | Guest63102 | !list |
| 15:18.58 | dpkg | guest63102: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 15:19.02 | bolt | arietis: a very simple web page and wireshark, or just tcpbump, is likely the way to go |
| 15:19.22 | dvs | !tell Guest63102 about selftell |
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| 15:19.40 | jelly | heh, "a bunch of free software" |
| 15:20.06 | jelly | dvs: tell yourself about italian people doing !list |
| 15:20.18 | dvs | grazie |
| 15:20.23 | jelly | prego |
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| 15:26.19 | arietis | i have an issue with wireshark, i'm pressing interfaces list and i get message - there are no interfaces on which capture can be done |
| 15:26.23 | arietis | but i have at least 4 interfaces |
| 15:27.12 | PerfDave | Is there a way to see what request a given Apache PID is trying to serve? I've got two processes eating my CPU, and stracing them tells me nothing - I've got lots of different domains hosted here, and can't see anything unusual in any of the per-domain log files. |
| 15:27.42 | ksk | mod_status? |
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| 15:27.57 | ksk | @ PerfDave |
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| 15:29.21 | PerfDave | ksk: Hmm, could do, though that requires per-vhost access which is awkward |
| 15:29.54 | ksk | it does not? |
| 15:30.17 | ksk | not sure if i get what you want to say, but you can "see" all requests of all vhosts running on one apache |
| 15:31.30 | PerfDave | ksk: OK, the Apache documentation says that it's enabled on a per-vhost basis |
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| 15:31.50 | PerfDave | ksk: But I'll give it a go |
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| 15:32.16 | ksk | that is true. you enable it in vhost "foo" - so you can access it at www.foo.tld/server-status |
| 15:32.49 | ksk | but it still displays requests of the whole server |
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| 15:33.03 | PerfDave | OK, thanks ksk - I'll check that out shortly. |
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| 15:33.42 | stevieman | Is there a way to track memory usage? I have a developer who is building Wordpress plugins and they have successfully killed my server 2 times in the last week by using all of the memory. I need to be able to prove to them it's their code. Despite them being the only ones on the server in question and it being perfectly stable before they got on it, they insist it's the server and not their code. |
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| 15:34.15 | dvs | stevieman: top? |
| 15:34.18 | ksk | use sane php limits and/or suhosin? :p |
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| 15:34.26 | bolt | stevieman: can't you just not allow php to use more memory than you have? |
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| 15:35.19 | stevieman | dvs: top just shows apache using the memory. To them that's just the server. Aragant just out of school coder |
| 15:35.29 | stevieman | bolt: I'll have to check that |
| 15:35.41 | dvs | heh |
| 15:36.00 | technologov_ | stevieman, u can put them into "OpenVZ" container, which will limit their RAM. |
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| 15:36.17 | technologov_ | it will still bring them down, but your server will stay alive |
| 15:36.40 | jordanm | stevieman: you can ditch mod_php in favor of a cgi solution. then their php scripts will have their own processes and will be easy to point out that they are the issue |
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| 15:36.47 | PerfDave | stevieman: Might be worth asking #php? |
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| 15:37.40 | stevieman | PerfDave: I might just do that |
| 15:37.55 | stevieman | jordanm: I'll look into that |
| 15:38.17 | technologov_ | PerfDave stands for "Performance Dave" ? :) |
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| 15:38.34 | stevieman | technologov_: Hopefully I can find something less drastic but certainly on the radar |
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| 15:47.02 | endomafrendo | hi there, I unzipped the latest firefox (9) to /opt and I can start it and work with it. However, it doesn't find the flash plugin, which I installed and used so far with iceweasel (no problem there). How can I tell Firefox to also use that plugin? Thanks in advance |
| 15:47.40 | endomafrendo | i installed it via aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 15:47.54 | PerfDave | endomafrendo: Any reason you stuck upstream firefox in /opt rather than using an Iceweasel backport? |
| 15:48.23 | jelly | endomafrendo: cd /opt/firefox/plugins; ln -s /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so |
| 15:48.42 | jelly | endomafrendo: (and restart the browser) |
| 15:48.46 | endomafrendo | jelly: thx |
| 15:49.11 | endomafrendo | PerfDave: well, because the latest backport is aurora, ant it is "too nightly" for me |
| 15:49.36 | PerfDave | endomafrendo: mozilla.debian.net will give you the latest release version too |
| 15:49.40 | jelly | endomafrendo: the "release" backport tracks the stable version |
| 15:49.59 | jelly | so I guess it will be around 9 or 9.0.1 at present time |
| 15:50.00 | endomafrendo | sec |
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| 15:50.32 | jelly | ,versions iceweasel |
| 15:50.35 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-10; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-11; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-11; wheezy: 8.0-3+b1; sid: 9.0.1-1; experimental: 10.0~b3-1 |
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| 15:50.53 | jelly | sorry about that; judd doesn't know about mozilla.d.n |
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| 15:53.24 | endomafrendo | jelly, PerfDave: I run 64 bit squeeze. I stumbled upon the mozilla.debian.net site but it is not that informative. For instance the information You gave me ( that the release tracks the latest stable) cannot be found there. That's why I thought that the release version is one of the older ones (3.6.25) |
| 15:53.45 | PerfDave | endomafrendo: Surely the release version tracks... the release version? |
| 15:53.52 | PerfDave | I thought that was pretty self-explanatory. |
| 15:54.01 | endomafrendo | but if you say it is the latest, then I suppoze I could take it out for a spin. |
| 15:54.30 | jelly | PerfDave: since the "release" is the default choice, I thought it was the null choice ("please choose something else here") |
| 15:54.35 | project2501a | wheezy: "550 packages rred" |
| 15:54.40 | project2501a | *applause* :D |
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| 15:55.45 | jelly | "choose your release", not "release is a valid choice for this drop-down" |
| 15:55.59 | endomafrendo | PerfDave: sure, but the link "the one tracks the other" is missing. It never ran across my mind reading the page, that the release dropdown has anything to do with the latest firefox release :-) |
| 15:56.21 | PerfDave | endomafrendo: Fair enough. It seemed obvious to me. Feel free to suggest alternative wording to the people who provide it ;) |
| 15:56.42 | endomafrendo | PerfDave: :o) |
| 15:56.49 | jelly | honk |
| 15:57.11 | mosno | PerfDave: perhaps a new paragraph explaining the channels below the dialogs? |
| 15:57.23 | mosno | or above |
| 15:57.24 | PerfDave | mosno: As I said, feel free to suggest alternative wording to the people who provide it. |
| 15:57.42 | abrotman | endomafrendo: those are terms that mozilla uses |
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| 15:58.42 | mosno | PerfDave: http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/channel/ has descriptions of aurora and beta. For release, you could just say "the current stable version" |
| 15:58.53 | PerfDave | mosno: Why are you telling me this? |
| 15:58.56 | mosno | or "the current stable upstream release" |
| 15:59.06 | PerfDave | mosno: Tell the people who run mozilla.debian.net. WHo are not me. |
| 15:59.12 | mosno | PerfDave: oh, i thought you were related |
| 15:59.20 | abrotman | and/or people that care? :) |
| 15:59.27 | PerfDave | mosno: No, I'm just a volunteer here. That's why I said, suggest it to the people who provide it. |
| 15:59.36 | mosno | PerfDave: you seemed to be really owning the problem :) |
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| 15:59.59 | abrotman | hands PerfDave a desk |
| 16:00.07 | PerfDave | Owning it by saying "suggest it to the people who provide it" |
| 16:00.17 | endomafrendo | PerfDave: :-D |
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| 16:00.55 | mosno | PerfDave: yes, but that was not your original "suggest it" line :D |
| 16:01.00 | mosno | anyway |
| 16:01.02 | PerfDave | dpkg, mdn is also not hosted by PerfDave |
| 16:01.03 | dpkg | PerfDave: okay |
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| 16:02.22 | jelly | PerfDave: and why not! |
| 16:02.33 | jelly | !mdn |
| 16:02.33 | dpkg | Backports of the Iceweasel web browser and Icedove mail client are not available from <debian backports>. See http://mozilla.debian.net/ for newer Iceweasel and Icedove for squeeze, wheezy or sid. Work continues to get the packages into the official archive without breaking too many other xul-using applications. Also ask me about <transition>, <squeeze-backports>, <testing>. not hosted by PerfDave |
| 16:02.38 | PerfDave | throws abrotman's desk at jelly |
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| 16:03.28 | jelly | ouch |
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| 16:04.59 | Bartzy | when doing tcpdump -i eth0, and after a few seconds Ctrl+C it, I get: 43156 packets dropped by kernel, why is this happening ? |
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| 16:07.49 | endomafrendo | PerfDave: running release now: Preparing to replace iceweasel 3.5.16-11 (using .../iceweasel_9.0.1-1~bpo60+1_amd64.deb |
| 16:07.56 | endomafrendo | works like a charm |
| 16:08.02 | endomafrendo | also all the plugins work like a charm |
| 16:08.06 | endomafrendo | thanks! |
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| 16:09.06 | jhutchins_wk | endomafrendo: The thing about making all of this spoon-fed information that nobody has to make any effort to discover is that SOMEBODY has to maintain it. Somebody has to take the time to track the info for you, format it, present it in the way you understand it, anticipate what you know and don't know... |
| 16:10.26 | jhutchins_wk | endomafrendo: People tend to forget that Debian isn't a corporate entity with a customer support and public relations staff, it's just people willing to take the time to contribute the effort, and we'd all prefer that the effort go toward a functional and accessible operating system rather then shiny presentation to the public. |
| 16:10.49 | endomafrendo | jhutchins_wk: yepp. that's the largest problem of the IT. And it will persist until the singularity :-) |
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| 16:11.55 | endomafrendo | jhutchins_wk: I think debian guys/girls do more than enough. and also, I am always able to find help here. So thumbs=up :-) |
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| 16:16.26 | dougmencken | hi guys! quick question: 1) how to looks which package(s) provides a specified file(s), for example, /usr/lib/libgettextlib.so; 2) how to look the contents of a package, i.e. what it contains and installs? |
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| 16:17.21 | PerfDave | dougmencken: man dpkg |
| 16:17.25 | PerfDave | dougmencken: dpkg does both those things |
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| 16:18.11 | dougmencken | PerfDave: ah, and apt can't? especially for 2nd, and for non-installed packages; like apt-cache show, but contents of package |
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| 16:18.22 | PerfDave | dougmencken: apt-file |
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| 16:18.47 | dougmencken | PerfDave: hmmm, okay, it's not a part of "default" apt installation right |
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| 16:21.21 | bolt | dougmencken: right |
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| 16:21.32 | havocologe | is there a way to replace a manually altered file with the original file ? (/etc/php5/cli/php5.ini in my case)? |
| 16:21.53 | dougmencken | havocologe: by re-installing the package? |
| 16:22.17 | bolt | dougmencken: that doesn't replace config files afaik |
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| 16:22.33 | bolt | it will even assume deleted files were deleted on purpose |
| 16:22.38 | dougmencken | then remove --purge and install :) |
| 16:22.42 | rhom | is there any way to get the version of software not listed in synaptic's force version list? |
| 16:23.04 | bolt | ..or just download and extract the package. there might be a more efficient way, but that's what i do |
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| 16:23.29 | PerfDave | rhom: Which version of Debian are you using, what package do you want and what version do you want an dhave available? |
| 16:23.46 | havocologe | apt-get --reinstall install did not touch the file ("Not replacing deleted config file /etc/php5/cli/php.ini") |
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| 16:24.04 | bolt | just said that |
| 16:24.10 | project2501a | what's a slurm host? |
| 16:24.19 | rhom | PerfDave: I got the problem in my Ubuntu 10.10 |
| 16:24.27 | bolt | rhom: #ubuntu |
| 16:24.37 | havocologe | dougmencken: is there a way keep packages that have php5_cli as dependency during remove, purge, install ?` |
| 16:24.41 | PerfDave | rhom: I'm afriad we can't support Ubuntu here. They use different packages and package versions. |
| 16:24.46 | PerfDave | rhom: Plus they smell funny. |
| 16:24.54 | project2501a | and they do not read the manual |
| 16:24.56 | rhom | PerfDave: it dpkg |
| 16:25.07 | ratatata | nu |
| 16:25.11 | PerfDave | rhom: It's Ubuntu's dpkg and Ubuntu's repositories. Sorry, we can't help you. |
| 16:25.13 | project2501a | nu |
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| 16:26.03 | rhom | PerfDave: Thanks! #ubuntu guys seems not to be intrested! so I came here! hoping for answer |
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| 16:26.23 | bolt | rhom: we don't support ubuntu here |
| 16:26.27 | project2501a | rhom: you can always install Debian :) |
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| 16:27.06 | rhom | bolt: I go the debian too! |
| 16:27.09 | dougmencken | havocologe: it would be really better to obtain .deb package, really |
| 16:27.17 | rhom | and arch! |
| 16:27.17 | PerfDave | !tell rhom about ubuntu |
| 16:27.28 | ksx4system | fcuk arch |
| 16:27.32 | project2501a | !tell rhome about Ubuntards |
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| 16:29.01 | zykotick9 | project2501a: is that a real factoid? |
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| 16:30.09 | jordanm | zykotick9: yes |
| 16:30.13 | dougmencken | project2501a: I switched a pair of guys to Debian experimental from Ubuntu just by editing sources.list and --dist-upgrade :) |
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| 16:30.25 | project2501a | dougmencken: +1 |
| 16:30.32 | project2501a | dougmencken: +1 internets for you |
| 16:30.35 | dougmencken | they don't actually differ so much |
| 16:30.36 | PerfDave | dougmencken: No, you switched them to some horrible hybrid |
| 16:30.38 | jordanm | dougmencken: experimental is not a full release |
| 16:30.38 | project2501a | wait, no. |
| 16:30.42 | project2501a | -10 internets for you |
| 16:30.57 | dougmencken | testing/experimental actually |
| 16:31.22 | nsadmin | hope you're prepared to handle the fallout :P |
| 16:31.44 | dougmencken | haven't phoned me from the summer... looks like they are happy |
| 16:32.03 | project2501a | what's a slurm host? |
| 16:32.36 | PerfDave | project2501a: JFGI? |
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| 16:33.08 | project2501a | PerfDave: ? |
| 16:33.18 | project2501a | what' s jfgi |
| 16:33.25 | bolt | project2501a: google it |
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| 16:34.16 | PerfDave | JFGI means "Please consider using your web search engine of choice to seek information about the topic under question" |
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| 16:37.34 | alex- | Why do you guys use Debian? |
| 16:37.37 | jelly | PerfDave: that is some serious acronym-fu |
| 16:37.47 | jelly | alex-: because it works |
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| 16:38.02 | alex- | jelly: why not ubuntu or centos for example? |
| 16:38.07 | jelly | and when it fails to work, it's possible to make it work again |
| 16:38.31 | jelly | alex-: because I have no need to try them out |
| 16:38.40 | alex- | how did you came to debian |
| 16:38.45 | PerfDave | alex-: Debian's more stable than Ubuntu, has more software available than CentOS, and has better support than either. |
| 16:39.04 | alex- | debian 7.0 = ubuntu |
| 16:39.06 | alex- | right? |
| 16:39.08 | jelly | alex-: dudes in the student lab installed it |
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| 16:39.19 | alex- | what is student lab? |
| 16:39.25 | et | because you are asking in #debian, and the conditional probability of "Person X prefers Debian over other linux distributions" given "Person talks in #debian" is pretty high. |
| 16:39.25 | PerfDave | Debian's the first GNU/Linux distro that I started using in preference to Windows, back in the potato days. |
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| 16:39.34 | PerfDave | alex-: No, Debian 7 is not Ubuntu |
| 16:39.58 | alex- | debian testing = ubuntu |
| 16:40.00 | alex- | 7 is testing |
| 16:40.02 | PerfDave | alex-: No |
| 16:40.09 | PerfDave | alex-: Are you just mistaken, or trolling? |
| 16:40.21 | jelly | alex-: that's my personal experience -- when I was at the uni, we had access to a computer lab and someone installed debian instead of redhat on the most powerful machine there |
| 16:40.23 | alex- | mistaken |
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| 16:40.33 | nsadmin | ubuntu starts with debian unstable and then changes it |
| 16:40.38 | et | trolling, most probably |
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| 16:40.43 | alex- | nsadmin: ah |
| 16:40.45 | alex- | et: no |
| 16:40.48 | jelly | nsadmin: they switched to basing off testing |
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| 16:40.54 | alex- | jelly: so because your first experience with debian you used debian |
| 16:41.08 | jelly | alex-: I tried others. Saw no need to switch. |
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| 16:41.13 | nsadmin | why in the world would they do somethig like that?! |
| 16:41.25 | alex- | what about this thing then?; http://lmgtfy.com/?q=debian+openssl+fiasco |
| 16:41.27 | jelly | nsadmin: you can guess the answer to that |
| 16:41.44 | jelly | alex-: that is a red flag tagging you as a potential troll. |
| 16:41.47 | PerfDave | I've used Gentoo, Fedora, CentOS, RedHat, SuSE, Ubuntu, Backtrack, various others, and prefer Debian to them all. |
| 16:41.53 | alex- | lol |
| 16:42.01 | alex- | jelly: why do you think so? |
| 16:42.03 | iway | alex-: people make mistakes sometimes |
| 16:42.12 | nsadmin | <barbie>unstabkle is HARD! |
| 16:42.13 | ksuhku | UNPOSSIBLE!111 |
| 16:42.21 | alex- | jelly: someone send me that link |
| 16:42.26 | PerfDave | alex-: There was a cock-up that any distro could have made. Debian has taken steps to make sure it doesn't happen again; I haven't heard of other distros taking such steps. |
| 16:42.26 | alex- | And the google link is much longer |
| 16:42.26 | et | replace 'potential' with 'probable' |
| 16:42.28 | alex- | http://www.google.nl/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=nl&site=&source=hp&q=debian+openssl+fiasco&pbx=1&oq=debian+openssl+fiasco&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=50l2904l0l3036l5l5l0l0l0l3l1482l3588l5-1.0.2l3l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=d09bc76016efc6ee&biw=1280&bih=920 |
| 16:42.35 | jelly | alex-: let's continue this conversation in #debian-offtopic, this channel is for tech support |
| 16:42.48 | ksuhku | ^^ |
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| 16:44.11 | linux00002 | Why is mpt-statusd service enabled on a VM, after I install squeeze? |
| 16:44.35 | linux00002 | it starts sending out emails about RAIDs status |
| 16:45.01 | ksk | aptitude why mpt-statusd |
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| 16:45.35 | ksk | or whatever its package name is |
| 16:46.07 | nsadmin | that's why it's installed |
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| 16:46.24 | linux00002 | Unable to find a reason to install mpt-status |
| 16:46.24 | merethan | Hi all |
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| 16:48.40 | nsadmin | find out what packages depend on it to see why it got installed |
| 16:48.41 | merethan | I have Debian Squeeze on a machine here and all of a sudden some http querrying mechanism I am using stopped functioning. I didn't really pay attention to it until a few minutes ago and figured out what the problem was: My forward proxy (polipo) was gone all of a sudden. And I didn't change anything on the machine for quite a while now. How can this happen? |
| 16:48.45 | ChrisH | Is mpt not a specific Hardware? |
| 16:48.52 | nsadmin | or try to remove it and say no |
| 16:48.52 | PerfDave | nsadmin: Or recommend it |
| 16:49.15 | nsadmin | good point |
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| 16:49.37 | linux00002 | how can i tell what package(s) recommend it? |
| 16:49.41 | merethan | It was quickly fixed by just reinstalling it. The config files were still there so, no pain luckily. |
| 16:50.09 | PerfDave | merethan: I suspect gremlins |
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| 16:50.14 | nsadmin | merethan, you'd need to get really specific on the packages you're talking about |
| 16:50.16 | merethan | Possibly. |
| 16:50.26 | merethan | (gremlins) |
| 16:50.32 | nsadmin | "something isn't working" isn't specific enough :) |
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| 16:50.37 | jelly | linux00002: which tasks did you choose during installation? mpt-status is not part of the base debian system. |
| 16:51.08 | linux00002 | oh I see |
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| 16:51.17 | merethan | nsadmin, just polipo was gone. The torrent app (transmission) and my socks proxy (tor) were still there. Polipo was gone without me deleting it. |
| 16:51.59 | nsadmin | gone as in package uninstalled? |
| 16:52.03 | merethan | yes |
| 16:52.16 | merethan | I just selected it again and it worked. |
| 16:52.24 | merethan | All the config files were still there |
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| 16:52.43 | nsadmin | did you uninstall anything recently? (or even install something) |
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| 16:52.50 | merethan | erm, no. |
| 16:53.03 | merethan | This is about my little download box |
| 16:53.13 | nsadmin | hmm. you the only admin on that machine? |
| 16:53.14 | merethan | or seedbox |
| 16:53.24 | PerfDave | Maybe the MPAA have rooted you ;p |
| 16:53.31 | ksuhku | lol |
| 16:53.38 | merethan | possibly :P |
| 16:53.43 | ChrisH | you might want to check /var/log/apt/history.log* |
| 16:54.37 | PerfDave | merethan: You're not mistakenly thinking that torrenting over tor somehow keeps you anonymous, are you? |
| 16:54.46 | merethan | Not that deleting polipo stopped the torrenting. I only used polipo & tor for querrying the trackers. There's still DHT when the trackers go down. |
| 16:54.58 | merethan | PerfDave, I'm not an idiot, read above. |
| 16:55.24 | PerfDave | merethan: So long as you're aware that you're not in any way anonymous like that, it's fine ;) |
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| 16:55.39 | PerfDave | Just seems a bit pointless trying to torrify bittorrent at all really. |
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| 16:56.11 | merethan | It's more a way to see if tor still works. |
| 16:56.37 | merethan | http requests to trackers are small anyway |
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| 17:02.43 | ompaul | merethan: see what ChrisH said about your list of what packages and when they were deleted |
| 17:03.01 | ompaul | tor is not anonymous but we all know that anyway |
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| 17:04.02 | merethan | ompaul, yes I was at the CCC this year too ;) |
| 17:04.47 | ompaul | merethan: eh, I've been saying it for years ;-) |
| 17:04.58 | ompaul | used to have a link about it |
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| 17:12.09 | merethan | mm weird, but polipo indeed got deselected. |
| 17:12.31 | merethan | during an full-upgrade :S |
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| 17:13.35 | merethan | and during this full-upgrade tor was upgraded too :S |
| 17:13.45 | merethan | To a new major |
| 17:14.17 | merethan | Version in squeeze until then was EOL'ed. |
| 17:15.02 | ompaul | merethan: so what version are you now running (it's just a tad vague from where I sit) |
| 17:15.16 | ompaul | version of debian |
| 17:15.18 | sammy | does anyone know if xen uses acpi to shutdown guest vms? |
| 17:15.38 | ompaul | !xen |
| 17:15.39 | dpkg | Xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, allowing several guest operating systems to execute concurrently on the same system. Provides paravirtualization (requiring guest OSs to be modified/ported) and hardware-assisted virtualization (for running guests unmodified). For detailed help, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen . #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net. See also <virtualization>. |
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| 17:16.02 | ompaul | sammy: ^^ that irc channel might serve you better for that question if you see nothing here |
| 17:16.23 | sammy | thanks. I was wondering why acpi support was installed on a barebones debian vm with nothing depending on it. |
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| 17:16.36 | sammy | the xen folks seem out to lunch atm. but ill keep trying over there. |
| 17:16.54 | ompaul | well you know the drill ask once every 20 or so mins |
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| 17:17.11 | ompaul | unless nobody joined or left ;-) |
| 17:17.37 | sammy | I get acpi support on a barebones system but on a guest vm there's no battery or "lid closed" etc events or things to monitor. |
| 17:17.45 | sammy | hehe, mmhmm, I know the drill :) |
| 17:18.04 | sammy | I see a lot of people using oftc instead of freenode. I wonder why |
| 17:18.14 | ompaul | because that is where debian is "homed" |
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| 17:18.43 | ompaul | and a lot of the same helpers are in both #debians |
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| 17:18.58 | ska | Has anyone had luck with blu-ray writers for backups? |
| 17:19.40 | ska | I used a Pioneer bdr-205 for a few years, but it failed last week. The pioneer bdr-206 failed on the first write. |
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| 17:20.13 | ska | Anyone know of a good internal BDR unit that works with Debian5? |
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| 17:21.47 | sammy | ahh. |
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| 17:29.08 | alsaaa | hello |
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| 17:29.38 | alsaaa | debian installer starts flooding the screen with "(process:number) INFO: kbd-mode: setting console mode to Unicode (UTF-8)" |
| 17:29.48 | alsaaa | thats if i try to install using text mode |
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| 17:30.40 | alsaaa | using the graphical interface it just freezes, i get that screen to pick the language, but cant move the mouse or do anything using the keyboard |
| 17:30.40 | alsaaa | suggestions? |
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| 17:34.17 | d34df00d | Hi! |
| 17:34.37 | mouseym | alsaa |
| 17:34.41 | mouseym | is that for wheezy? |
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| 17:34.56 | d34df00d | Does debhelper's stuff for CMake projects set any extra defines when running cmake, so that I can recognize that my app is being compiled under Debian? |
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| 17:35.04 | d34df00d | Or maybe Debian's gcc sets ones. |
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| 17:36.47 | Coudy | hi, what does it mean in apt pin preferences a=stable or n=stable ? what is it a/n ? what is correct ? |
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| 17:40.02 | zykotick9 | when using nvidia-proprietary driver, does anyone know a method to disable 2nd monitor from cli? I'm hoping to be able to create a script that will disable 2nd monitor prior to starting Mythfrontend (due to a bug with awesome WM) |
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| 17:41.15 | Coudy | zykotick9, checko modinfo <nvidia_module_driver_name> and look for parameters, maybe is there parameter to disable it trought driver |
| 17:41.32 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... what is the difference between 'gnome-desktop' package and 'gnome-desktop-enviroment' package ? |
| 17:42.32 | Coudy | cobra-the-joker, aptitude show <package_name> |
| 17:43.00 | ChibaPet | I don't see a gnome-desktop package in Squeeze. |
| 17:43.36 | cobra-the-joker | its a taskel task |
| 17:43.41 | jhutchins_wk | ChibaPet: aptitude search gnome should overwhelm you. |
| 17:44.21 | ChibaPet | I used the curses front-end. Odd that it didn't show me the task. |
| 17:44.56 | ChibaPet | Hm, under tasks, I still see only gnome-desktop-environment. cobra-the-joker, any chance you're pulling from odd sources? |
| 17:45.32 | cobra-the-joker | ChibaPet, nope ... aptitude install gnome-desktop and you will see what i mean |
| 17:45.36 | cobra-the-joker | its more packages |
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| 17:45.56 | cobra-the-joker | i want to know whats so different ... more 100 MB |
| 17:46.03 | zykotick9 | Coudy: excellent idea, but doesn't look like Twinview is part of the nvidia-driver, but nvidia-glx (i guess) controlled by xorg conf. Thanks though. |
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| 17:46.31 | ChibaPet | Hm. Is there a dry-run flag? I don't want to actually install Gnome on my desktop. :P |
| 17:47.28 | ChibaPet | --simulate |
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| 17:47.38 | cobra-the-joker | dont click y :P |
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| 17:48.02 | cobra-the-joker | the wiki tells me to install gnome-desktop ... and dpkg tells me to install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 17:48.05 | cobra-the-joker | confused |
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| 17:48.18 | ChibaPet | Ah, and there it is. Odd. Curses interface, limit to gnome-desktop, and I only see the longer-named version. |
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| 17:48.38 | ChibaPet | When I ran Gnome, I used gnome-desktop-environment. I'd side with dpkg there. |
| 17:48.59 | jhutchins_wk | cobra-the-joker: I would expect "desktop-environment" to install the framework, and "desktop" to install the whole suite of apps. |
| 17:49.41 | ChibaPet | I wouldn't expect that, but I'm not sure there's a right way to assign meaning there anyway. |
| 17:49.45 | cobra-the-joker | jhutchins_wk, aha ... desktop then |
| 17:50.24 | ChibaPet | (I'd tend to think of the environment as being the thing and its surrounds, which would tend towards the opposite meaning.) |
| 17:50.27 | zykotick9 | !install gnome |
| 17:50.27 | dpkg | To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, 'gnome-desktop-environment' for GNOME as defined by upstream, 'gnome-core' for a bit less and 'gnome-session' for the basic components actually needed to run a GNOME session. You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
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| 17:53.42 | ksuhku | !install gnome-desktop |
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| 17:54.17 | zykotick9 | ksuhku: fyi there is no gnome-desktop package, the full Gnome is the "gnome" package. |
| 17:54.43 | ksuhku | zykotick9, thx |
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| 17:56.08 | ghostlines | hi all, anyone ever experienced a statically set IP spontaneously change back to the the first DHCP lease IP it ever had? |
| 17:56.43 | ChibaPet | dhcp isn't going to do anything if it's not running - if you're running a dhcp client, staticness is questionable. |
| 17:56.58 | ChibaPet | Which is to say - if that happened, then something did that. |
| 17:57.37 | xreal | Any tutorial, how to install kernel 3.2 in squeeze using kpkg? |
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| 17:58.06 | ghostlines | I commented out the DHCP setting in /etc/network/interfaces, and set a static IP, but I'll check if somehow DHCP is still running |
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| 18:02.20 | ChibaPet | xreal: Not finding one, not aware of one. You might be able to adapt this: http://xrl.us/bmn7xe (Link to www.debianadmin.com) |
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| 18:05.50 | magikfingerz | Hi everybody! How are you in this excellent day? :) |
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| 18:07.38 | rascal999 | how small can i get debian with LAMP? |
| 18:08.10 | xreal | ChibaPet: kpkg has a bug with versioning... |
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| 18:08.33 | ChibaPet | rascal999: http://www.slashgear.com/marvell-sheevaplug-99-linux-pc-hidden-in-a-wall-wart-2435556/ |
| 18:09.02 | PerfDave | ghostlines: Did you ifdown/ifup after you changed /etc/network/interfaces? That *should* kill your DHCP client... |
| 18:09.08 | rascal999 | ChibaPet: i mean MB |
| 18:09.34 | ChibaPet | rascal999: RAM or disk? |
| 18:09.46 | rascal999 | ChibaPet: disk, minimum packages |
| 18:10.37 | ChibaPet | I think half a gig would be very comfortable for this. |
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| 18:10.52 | ChibaPet | Possibly a bunch less, but I don't have a system with that as a goal I can give as an example. |
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| 18:11.19 | rascal999 | ChibaPet: ok |
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| 18:11.37 | ChibaPet | Generally, any hard disk you can buy new ought to be overkill for the purpose. |
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| 18:12.15 | ChibaPet | If you're sizing a virtual machine, then you'd ought to be able to go pretty low-end for committed space. |
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| 18:12.49 | rascal999 | ChibaPet: it's an ongoing battle between chroot and separate vms |
| 18:13.10 | rascal999 | ChibaPet: i think separate vms are the way to go, but others think chroot or suexec for vhosts is |
| 18:13.33 | rascal999 | ChibaPet: but half gig per site is too much disk space |
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| 18:13.54 | rascal999 | ChibaPet: so i think maybe looking into COW, but apparently this can be prone to corruption |
| 18:14.34 | ghostlines | PerfDave, I did man this is real fishy, I ifup if down after I set the static IP so it could take affect in the first place |
| 18:14.45 | ChibaPet | Hm, shame we don't have FreeBSD-style jails. If you don't need the illusion of separate hardware, I'd probably side with the chroot people there. |
| 18:15.07 | ghostlines | PerfDave, then when I was at work I connected to it then after a few hours my connection was lost, when I came home I see the IP got changed back to the first DHCP lease |
| 18:15.20 | JordiGH | Is this a bug? http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/a/arpack/arpack_3.0.2-2/changelog |
| 18:15.28 | PerfDave | ghostlines: ARe you running network-manager? |
| 18:15.29 | JordiGH | Linked from here: http://packages.debian.org/sid/libarpack2-dev |
| 18:15.35 | rascal999 | ChibaPet: what about read only booting a single disk image and mounting the site? |
| 18:15.39 | ompaul | rascal999: what is the service being offered? |
| 18:15.55 | ghostlines | PerfDave, nope running wheezy as a server no gui |
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| 18:15.58 | rascal999 | ompaul: it would be a cloud based service |
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| 18:16.08 | rascal999 | ompaul: a CMS |
| 18:16.11 | PerfDave | ghostlines: You don't need a GUI for network-manager :) |
| 18:16.18 | PerfDave | JordiGH: A bug in what sense? |
| 18:16.24 | ompaul | rascal999: for multiple people and domains or one company? |
| 18:16.35 | rascal999 | multiple ppl and domains |
| 18:16.45 | JordiGH | PerfDave: Bug in the sense "someone fucked up and I should tell them to unfuck it". |
| 18:16.49 | zykotick9 | PerfDave: "GUI" no, but network-manager won't work without a DM :( Ran into that bug this weekend. |
| 18:16.50 | jhutchins_wk | ghostlines: You don't need (or probably even want) network-manager on a server. |
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| 18:17.31 | PerfDave | zykotick9: How will it not work without a display manager? |
| 18:17.45 | ghostlines | well I aint running network-manager can't find the process or the bin |
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| 18:18.03 | zykotick9 | PerfDave: sorry i don't have the BUG report anymore, but it's in a known debian bug. |
| 18:18.54 | zykotick9 | PerfDave: n-m requires GDM/KDM to work |
| 18:18.56 | ompaul | rascal999: consider this, if a client wants "more services" would it be easier to add them into a vm or would it be better to try to hand out more stuff slowly ... build this based on the offers you are not making but are the next step for a random hosting house |
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| 18:19.45 | ompaul | rascal999: btw cloud only means that you have ease to migrate a person or product from data centre one to data centre two |
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| 18:19.59 | ompaul | branding is nothing hardware is everytyhin |
| 18:20.00 | PerfDave | zykotick9: Hmm, I can't see why that's the case, but I'll take your word for it. I've had it working with LDM, and it shouldn't need X at all. |
| 18:20.15 | ChibaPet | rascal999: Have you looked at this? Might generate some ideas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_hosting_control_panels |
| 18:20.43 | rascal999 | ompaul: how do hosting companies isolate their clients? |
| 18:21.07 | zaltekk | rascal999: depends on the OS and then on the hosting company |
| 18:21.14 | zaltekk | and the style of hosting provided |
| 18:21.19 | zaltekk | that's a very broad questions |
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| 18:21.42 | rascal999 | zaltekk: good hosting company, linux, ftp / ssh, multiple sites per box/vm |
| 18:21.54 | zaltekk | rascal999: so shared hosting on linux? |
| 18:21.54 | zykotick9 | PerfDave: sorry. I'm giving you bad info. It's only wireless that it can't connect to. |
| 18:21.59 | rascal999 | zaltekk: yeah |
| 18:22.03 | ompaul | rascal999: all I'm saying is. Get the business use case and product list. Then look at natural migration to the next highest offering. |
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| 18:22.28 | zaltekk | could be chroot based. or have you basically locked down into your home dir |
| 18:22.31 | rascal999 | zaltekk: one way could be boot read only distro image, then mount site |
| 18:22.38 | zykotick9 | PerfDave: bug 629913 |
| 18:22.46 | ksk | hi. using my debian wheezy i have the problem that only one application at the time can use audio. eg iam listening to some music via vlc, i dont have sound in a youttube video. i stop vlc an reload the tab - sound in youtube -- any idea? :) |
| 18:22.46 | ompaul | rascal999: i.e. this is not something that IRC will remotely equip you for. |
| 18:22.47 | rascal999 | zaltekk: the fs isolation is important |
| 18:23.02 | rascal999 | ompaul: :D i'm just trying to get ideas |
| 18:23.08 | zaltekk | ACLs/MAC can keep you out of other people's stuff |
| 18:23.08 | ompaul | rascal999: then it is obvious go get yourself VMS |
| 18:23.12 | rascal999 | ompaul: i've been messing around with suexec, but it's meh |
| 18:23.15 | PerfDave | ksk: Have you checked the bts? |
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| 18:23.34 | zaltekk | rascal999: linode is really popular and pretty high quality |
| 18:23.44 | ksk | PerfDave: bts? |
| 18:23.44 | zaltekk | although you can also find some cheaper solutions |
| 18:23.51 | rascal999 | zaltekk: do they guarantee five 9s? |
| 18:23.57 | ompaul | rascal999: not at that price |
| 18:24.04 | zaltekk | five is quite a bit |
| 18:24.09 | PerfDave | !tell ksk about bts |
| 18:24.14 | ksk | thanks |
| 18:24.15 | PerfDave | ksk: If you're running testing, you should know about the bTS |
| 18:24.27 | ompaul | pick two speed, uptime, cost |
| 18:24.41 | ksk | :) just did not know this shortcut |
| 18:24.49 | zaltekk | rascal999: they give you 99.9%, refund is given for any additional time lost |
| 18:25.28 | zykotick9 | ksk: straight ALSA isn't fond of sharing (though I'm told it's possible), using Pulse might help? Good luck. |
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| 18:26.54 | ksk | i usually dont use debian as a desktop system, but iirc it worked using alsa on another hardware. but i will check this out, thanks |
| 18:27.10 | rascal999 | zaltekk: so you'd recommend serving one site per linode vm? |
| 18:27.54 | zaltekk | rascal999: that's very subjective. they offer different resource limits at different prices. so that must be taken into account. also, the amount of resources you'll use per site matters. |
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| 18:31.12 | PerfDave | ksk: I suspect it's just a bug in the testing distribution because, y'know, it's not stable. |
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| 18:32.17 | ksk | soundfaq tells me this has to be this way ( or i misunderstand it ;) |
| 18:32.25 | asperon | hi guys. i want to run a python script as a deamon, what is the best way to do this in debian? |
| 18:32.44 | PerfDave | asperon: What sort of daemon? |
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| 18:33.08 | asperon | PerfDave: its a rest server, but i just want it to run in the background with no user logged in |
| 18:33.19 | asperon | if i can control it via init.d thats a bonus |
| 18:33.26 | PerfDave | If your script takes STDIN and writes STDOUT, and you want it network accessible, then use inetd / xinetd |
| 18:33.42 | PerfDave | asperon: Does it have its own socket code already? |
| 18:34.00 | asperon | PerfDave: yes |
| 18:34.08 | PerfDave | asperon: Then just write an init script |
| 18:34.23 | PerfDave | Then it'll run until it eats all your RAM and falls over in a heap like all Python daemons. |
| 18:34.26 | jelly-home | asperon: does it daemonize itself? |
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| 18:34.49 | jelly-home | PerfDave: I have not seen mailman do that in... years, now. |
| 18:34.53 | asperon | jelly-home: no |
| 18:35.27 | jordanm | asperon: the same way as a daemon on any other *nix system. double fork(), daemonize, have an init script start it |
| 18:35.36 | asperon | PerfDave: i tried that, but start-stop-damon choked on the arguments i tried to pass to the python script and treaded it like arguments for itself |
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| 18:35.45 | jelly-home | jordanm: you forgot "close all fds" |
| 18:35.53 | asperon | jordanm: id prefer not to rewrite the script if possible |
| 18:35.55 | PerfDave | asperon: Look at every other init script in Debian to see how to fix that :) |
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| 18:36.15 | asperon | PerfDave: :) guess the ones i look at didn't do it, ill look again |
| 18:36.24 | jelly-home | asperon: if you're desperate for not making it a proper daemon, you might use the "daemon" tool. |
| 18:36.31 | jelly-home | s/for/about/ |
| 18:36.35 | PerfDave | There's a standard GNU way to not pass things that start with - as options to a program :) |
| 18:36.50 | asperon | PerfDave: thanks, ill have another look at it |
| 18:36.57 | karlpinc | PerfDave: Python leaks? |
| 18:37.08 | PerfDave | karlpinc: IME |
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| 18:37.35 | karlpinc | PerfDave: You'd think that'd be fixable.... Oh well. |
| 18:37.41 | jordanm | jelly-home: right |
| 18:37.43 | tgreer | hi guys, was wondering if someone could give me a pointer as to why my IPv6 wont work? |
| 18:37.51 | PerfDave | tgreer: Gremlins |
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| 18:38.00 | tgreer | PerfDave: i suspect that too |
| 18:38.08 | tgreer | but just wanted to check i wasnt doing it wrong (tm) |
| 18:38.17 | jelly-home | tgreer: well, what data have you collected and checked so far? |
| 18:38.27 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 18:38.27 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 18:38.38 | karlpinc | !tell tgreer about doesn't work |
| 18:38.48 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 18:38.48 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
| 18:38.51 | tgreer | using http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-linux-ipv6-networking-configuration/ this guide, my configuration is http://pastebin.com/H9Bf2CBm in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:39.06 | tgreer | it wont pull up the ipv6 address |
| 18:39.55 | tgreer | has the link local address |
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| 18:40.01 | jelly-home | tgreer: what about your "ip -6 a" and "ip -6 r" |
| 18:40.17 | tgreer | not there |
| 18:40.31 | tgreer | link local stuff is, but not the configured stuff |
| 18:40.39 | jelly-home | tgreer: does anything change if you do an "ifup eth0" ? |
| 18:41.05 | tgreer | SIOCADDRT: FIle Exists |
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| 18:42.14 | jelly-home | frankly I have no idea how ifup works in presence of both "iface eth0 inet" and "iface eth0 inet6" stanzas |
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| 18:42.44 | jelly-home | tgreer: pastebin the whole of your interfaces file, plz |
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| 18:43.07 | ghostlines | PerfDave, dhclient was running asking for leases the whole time! |
| 18:43.18 | jelly-home | ghostlines: why was it running! |
| 18:43.51 | karlpinc | tgreer: Also, what version of debian? stable/squeeze? |
| 18:43.57 | ghostlines | it came preinstalled I forgot to disable it it seems, I never had to disable previously |
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| 18:44.22 | Guthur | Does not work sometimes, but others it does, I think it seems to be a an issue between alsamixer and aumix |
| 18:44.48 | Guthur | It seems to fix after I go into alsamixer and reboot |
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| 18:45.08 | Guthur | there is a warning message during started up about detect settings |
| 18:45.29 | ghostlines | jelly-home, i just edited /etc/network/interfaces that was my experience on Ubuntu, I thought the method on Debian would be the same |
| 18:45.32 | Guthur | anyone familiar with this issue |
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| 18:46.28 | karlpinc | ghostlines: FYI, FWIW, see the <readme.debian> factoid. |
| 18:46.55 | jelly-home | steals all the karlpinc' acronyms. |
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| 18:47.54 | ghostlines | karlpinc, thx will do |
| 18:48.09 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: grep -v '^$' |
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| 18:48.37 | zykotick9 | Guthur: perhaps if you say what the issue is, people could help |
| 18:48.40 | jhutchins_wk | jelly-home: Thanks, got it. |
| 18:48.51 | jhutchins_wk | jelly-home: We'll hope there's no white space. |
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| 18:49.39 | karlpinc | jhutchins_wk: '^ *$' |
| 18:49.50 | jhutchins_wk | Got it, thanks. |
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| 18:50.12 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: then add [[:blank:]]* between the expression matching the beginning, and the expression matching the end of the line |
| 18:50.27 | karlpinc | jhutchins_wk: Or if you worry about tabs etc then Oops, jelly-home beat me to it. |
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| 18:52.02 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: I'm assuming GNU grep. |
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| 18:52.10 | fourlastor | hello everyone :) |
| 18:52.45 | fourlastor | anyone achieved installing ironhide on debian, or made nvidia optimus working on debian? |
| 18:53.14 | karlpinc | !tell fourlastor about anyone |
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| 18:53.47 | streuner_ | fourlastor: keep in mind, about 20-30 people are hanging here around who are not idle... |
| 18:54.18 | kbx_ | Debian mirrors often differ in their actuality and the updating frequence. How can I find out when a specific mirror has been updated for the last time? |
| 18:54.18 | jhutchins_wk | What I'm trying to do is find non-blank, non-commented lines in a config file. I know I could pipe grep -v ";" | grep -v '^$' - is there a way to do it in a single step? |
| 18:54.27 | streuner_ | fourlastor: what karlpinc would wanna tell you is, just ask a detailed question, if someone knows, he surely want help |
| 18:54.46 | fourlastor | ok then |
| 18:55.16 | fourlastor | how can i make optimus work in debian? i read many guides for ubuntu but none listing a debian repository or the like |
| 18:55.18 | petemc | jhutchins_wk: egrep |
| 18:55.41 | streuner_ | judd, versions optimus |
| 18:55.42 | judd | No package named 'optimus' was found in i386. |
| 18:56.12 | streuner_ | fourlastor: if optimus is a package, it isnt even in Debian |
| 18:56.22 | fourlastor | optimus is the new "thing" on nvidia cards, it uses an integrated video card when you don't need power, then switches to the nvidia dedicated one when you need it |
| 18:56.29 | fourlastor | i was still writing.. :P |
| 18:56.44 | beardy | fourlastor: It's probably not packaged for Debian. You probably have to compile and install it yourself, or build a package yourself. |
| 18:56.57 | daemonkeeper | There is nothing to package. Only push Nvidia to support it on Linux. |
| 18:56.59 | zaltekk | maybe it's already in the latest binary driver |
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| 18:57.11 | fourlastor | nvidia said they won't support it |
| 18:57.12 | zaltekk | have you checked? |
| 18:57.12 | PerfDave | jhutchins_wk: perl -wne 'print if m/^\s*[^;]/' myfile # shoul ddo it |
| 18:57.15 | zaltekk | ah |
| 18:57.18 | fourlastor | yeah.. |
| 18:57.33 | fourlastor | so right now i'm stucked with the integrated card |
| 18:57.33 | daemonkeeper | Optimus is not supported at all on Linux. All hacks, including Bumblebee and whatever are dirty, less working workarounds. |
| 18:57.56 | jhutchins_wk | petemc: I know I can do | for or on expressions, how do I do -v <expr> AND <expr>, ie niether semicolons or blank lines. |
| 18:58.08 | daemonkeeper | That said, any howto for Ubuntu will most likely work for Debian as well. |
| 18:58.35 | fourlastor | daemonkeeper, the howto uses the ppa, that if i'm not wrong isn't used in debian |
| 18:58.56 | fourlastor | (or maybe it's used and i'm just a newbie, not surprising at all :P) |
| 18:59.03 | daemonkeeper | fourlastor: The ppa thingie is only a castrated way to add an entry to your sources.list. |
| 18:59.15 | fourlastor | ok, ok |
| 18:59.18 | daemonkeeper | Perhaps you do not want to use a random package anyway. |
| 18:59.31 | fourlastor | what do you mean? |
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| 19:00.00 | daemonkeeper | Don't use a package of unknown, random quality Average Joe is providing. |
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| 19:00.27 | fourlastor | yes, but at least i should give it a try |
| 19:00.36 | daemonkeeper | Just do then :) |
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| 19:01.17 | petemc | does egrep -v '^;|^$' not do what you need? |
| 19:01.19 | fourlastor | pretty sure the ppa repo wouldn't work tho |
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| 19:05.30 | tgreer | jelly-home: karlpinc: debian squeeze http://pastebin.com/J4Wii6Ky apologies i got hauled away for work |
| 19:06.09 | PerfDave | jhutchins_wk: Apologies, perl -wnle 'print if m/^\s*[^\s;]/' # what you want |
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| 19:09.20 | jelly-home | tgreer: IF you have access to the console, you could try doing an /etc/network/interfaces restart ... there's a real possibility for that command to cut off your network. Be careful. |
| 19:10.02 | tgreer | i do. |
| 19:10.36 | tgreer | permission ednied as root? |
| 19:10.46 | tgreer | i suspect i need to chmod +x it? |
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| 19:12.20 | ghostlines | now dhclient isn't running after reboot, but iface eth0 doesn't get automatically brought up, I have to do it manually |
| 19:13.01 | ghostlines | when I run ifup eth0 it gets brought up, during boot I do see a message saying: cleaning up if down?. |
| 19:13.25 | ghostlines | *when I run ifup eth0 it gets brought up. But during boot I do see a message saying: cleaning up if down?. |
| 19:14.03 | jhutchins_wk | PerfDave: Trying to learn how to use multiple expressions in grep, I know there are other ways of doing this that might even be better. |
| 19:15.01 | jhutchins_wk | petemc: Yes, the "or" works. Not sure why I thought it had to be "and" (and still not sure how to do "and"). |
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| 19:17.34 | nimred | I ran `apt-cache search unison` but it outputed nothing. What did I miss ? |
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| 19:18.26 | Zeranoe | Does anyone know where the trash it located after I remove it on LXDE Debian? I don't see any icon on the desktop |
| 19:18.53 | talexb | Zeranoe, Maybe look in your home directory? |
| 19:19.08 | petemc | jhutchins_wk: unless im mistaken you cant have a blank line AND anything |
| 19:19.14 | talexb | ls -lrt | tail is what I usually use .. |
| 19:19.29 | jhutchins_wk | petemc: .... |
| 19:19.36 | jhutchins_wk | petemc: D'Oh! |
| 19:19.36 | Zeranoe | talexb: I see no .Trash or something similar |
| 19:19.42 | petemc | :) |
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| 19:20.25 | jhutchins_wk | Zeranoe: Most Linux systems don't use "trash" folders. When you delete somethng, it's GONE. |
| 19:21.04 | jelly-home | unless it's on the backup |
| 19:21.06 | PerfDave | jhutchins_wk: Though a lot of desktop environments do. |
| 19:21.12 | Zeranoe | jhutchins_wk: When using gnome instead of LXDE, there was a trash folder/icon on the desktop, I don't see one under LXDE |
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| 19:22.28 | talexb | Zeranoe, Hmm .. http://igurublog.wordpress.com/downloads/mod-pcmanfm/ says there's no trash folder. |
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| 19:22.58 | jhutchins_wk | Zeranoe: LXDE being a simpler more direct system there probably isn't one. |
| 19:23.11 | talexb | Zeranoe, The stuff you deleted, was it in a repo or backed up? |
| 19:23.13 | jhutchins_wk | Zeranoe: The trash function is built into gnome's file handling systems. |
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| 19:23.22 | AlexC_ | Morning |
| 19:23.36 | jhutchins_wk | Zeranoe: LXDE would not share that code. |
| 19:23.42 | talexb | It's morning somewhere, I guess. ;) |
| 19:23.55 | AlexC_ | I'm seeing the following message quite a lot recently in my /var/log/{syslog,messages,kern.log} and I'm at a loss as to what could be causing it, "nf_conntrack: falling back to vmalloc". Any pointers on where to start debugging this? |
| 19:24.31 | newb | People, I want use tar to compact a folder at this path: /home/newb/path/to/folder And I'm at /root folder. If I use tar -czf filename.tar.gz, tar create the file with the folder /home/newb/path/to/folder inside. I want, running from root, create the file with the root at folder, not at /, how can I do this? |
| 19:25.05 | Zeranoe | talexb: It was not backed up, but I was used to deleting something and then deleting it from trash, I feel the files are still lurking somewhere |
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| 19:26.06 | Sevet | zeranoe: lxde has no trash http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?t=105&f=8 |
| 19:26.17 | AlexC_ | newb: If I'm reading this correctly, take a look at the '-C' flag |
| 19:26.22 | jhutchins_wk | newb: Tar will create the archive using the path from the current working directory. If you want it to contain a different path, you must change to a different curent directory before it runs. |
| 19:26.50 | Sevet | it's gone... the data might still be on the physical disk if it hasn't been overwritten yet, but you'll have trouble recovering it that way. it's not in the filesystem any longer. |
| 19:26.53 | jhutchins_wk | Zeranoe: You can use the find command to confirm that no file of that name exists. |
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| 19:28.19 | Sevet | looks like newer versions might have a trash if gvfs is installed, but that might not be the case on your system |
| 19:28.23 | nimred | I tried ti update cache but here is what I get : http://sprunge.us/icRj |
| 19:28.42 | jhutchins_wk | Zeranoe: Looks like there's been some work to implement a "trashcan" in LXDE in the last couple of years, but I don't think it's present by default in the debian version. |
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| 19:29.09 | jhutchins_wk | Sevet: They've apparently implemented a buggy one on Arch. |
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| 19:30.45 | Zeranoe | it looks like the files were moved to $HOME/.local/share/Trash, not sure if they are planning to get removed when I reboot or something, but they were moved there |
| 19:31.41 | newb | AlexC, jhutchins_wk : I'm trying the -C flag, but I'm receiving the error "cannot stat" and "file or directory not found" to tar -C /home/path -zcf "file.tar.gz" * |
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| 19:32.31 | newb | AlexC, jhutchins_wk : I understood the -C flag change the directory, or I'm wrong? |
| 19:32.44 | AlexC_ | newb: Yes, but it wont effect the glob you're using |
| 19:32.47 | jhutchins_wk | newb: I have never figured out -C, I just cd to the place I want to build it from. |
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| 19:33.43 | jhutchins_wk | newb: I strongly suspect there have been changes to the syntax of some tar options in the last ten years or so. |
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| 19:33.53 | Zeranoe | So it would seem that LXDE does have a "trash", yet no icon is on the desktop to clear it |
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| 19:34.28 | dvs | newb: put the -C param last |
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| 19:34.59 | dvs | newb: tar -zcf file.tar.gz -C /home/path |
| 19:35.07 | dodel | What are the absolut minimum system requirements for Debian. No GUI and no programs |
| 19:35.10 | dodel | What are the absolut minimum system requirements for Debian. No GUI and no programs |
| 19:35.27 | dodel | I cannot write ? |
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| 19:35.34 | PerfDave | dodel: Have you looked at the Install Guide? |
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| 19:35.54 | Sevet | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
| 19:36.00 | Sevet | (dodel) |
| 19:36.00 | dodel | Hi |
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| 19:36.23 | davidgul | he guys |
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| 19:36.50 | davidgul | some one can give me asus eee pc 1015pn drivers for debian ? |
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| 19:37.07 | valerie | I need to use wget to get amd64/iso from debian.org Is there another command that I need to use with wget? |
| 19:37.27 | PerfDave | valerie: What sort of command? |
| 19:38.00 | acu | valerie: you mean you want to know what options should you use ? |
| 19:38.01 | dodel | What is the absolut minimum system requirements for Debian? No GUI and no programs like firefox or something else. |
| 19:38.08 | dodel | a |
| 19:38.13 | Sevet | dodel: you've already been answered above |
| 19:38.52 | davidgul | some one can give me asus eee pc 1015pn drivers for debian ? |
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| 19:39.24 | PerfDave | davidgul: What "drivers" are you looking for? |
| 19:39.30 | Sevet | davidgul: any specific device? you might find it just works... try installing then see if there's anything not working. |
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| 19:39.40 | newb | AlexC, jhutchins_wk, dvs : I'm using PHP to do tar calls, then I'm unable to use cd command. -C as last param worked, but no changes at tar.gz file :( |
| 19:39.46 | Sevet | valerie: you'll only need wget if you've got the correct url, though you'll need something else to mount/burn the iso |
| 19:40.08 | davidgul | i need the shurt cuts keys and the video driver |
| 19:40.18 | PerfDave | davidgul: Are those not in Debian? |
| 19:40.19 | valerie | I am typing this command do I need to add anything after wget ? --->wget http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-businesscard.iso |
| 19:40.34 | davidgul | no |
| 19:40.36 | Sevet | newb: try using a full path to the .tar.gz |
| 19:40.53 | zaltekk | newb: the -C is to change dir before extraction |
| 19:40.59 | nimred | I tried ti update cache but here is what I get : http://sprunge.us/icRj |
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| 19:41.02 | nimred | what did I miss ? |
| 19:41.03 | PerfDave | davidgul: Why don't you tell us what problem you're having rahter than asking for "drivers"? |
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| 19:41.10 | davidgul | i have nvidia ion graphic card |
| 19:41.17 | valerie | I am interested in wget option |
| 19:41.22 | Sevet | newb: and i don't think you can use cd as it won't keep the cwd for the next system call |
| 19:41.40 | PerfDave | valerie: Why do you think you need another option? |
| 19:41.44 | zaltekk | for one you probably shouldn't be using PHP for what you're doing |
| 19:41.50 | PerfDave | valerie: Have you read the man page? Tried it to see whether it works? |
| 19:41.55 | zaltekk | and for another you should use a language built-in to change the CWD |
| 19:42.00 | davidgul | i cant set up the rasulosion and the surt cuts dosent work |
| 19:42.11 | Sevet | davidgul: asus website has linux 'drivers'... but they're only for bios so it probably has everything you need in the kernel already |
| 19:42.16 | PerfDave | davidgul: What do you mean "set up the resolution"? |
| 19:42.23 | zaltekk | see http://php.net/chdir |
| 19:42.33 | acu | valerie - until you get more help with wget - I would just press enter - the way how you type it |
| 19:42.46 | acu | see what happens |
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| 19:43.29 | zaltekk | ex: if ( chdir( $my_dir ) ) { system( "/bin/tar xf /home/$user/my_file.tar.gz" ); } |
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| 19:43.44 | zaltekk | to extract it to $my_dir |
| 19:44.08 | PerfDave | Mmmm command injectiony |
| 19:44.41 | zaltekk | PerfDave: talking to me? hopefully he sanitized it |
| 19:45.01 | jelly-home | I'll ch to YOUR dir |
| 19:45.10 | PerfDave | davidgul: Have you tried searching for the problems you're having, or the model of EeePC you have? |
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| 19:45.36 | nimred | I tried ti update cache but here is what I get : http://sprunge.us/icRj |
| 19:45.37 | nimred | what did I miss ? |
| 19:45.44 | newb | AlexC, jhutchins_wk, dvs, Sevet, zaltekk : Yes, use cd don't works here... :( I'm using PHP because I need compress the file and put it to download. It's a website's functionality: compress folders to easy download. But I need remove the full path from the file... |
| 19:46.02 | zaltekk | newb: the use chdir |
| 19:46.12 | PerfDave | Mmm, newb is keeping me in business ;) |
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| 19:46.59 | zaltekk | newb: see also: http://pear.php.net/search.php?q=tar&in=packages |
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| 19:47.17 | newb | zaltekk, PerfDave : Ah ok! sorry! I lost that message xD |
| 19:47.30 | zaltekk | you really shouldn't be using system |
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| 19:47.49 | zaltekk | Archive_Tar from PEAR most likely does everything you need |
| 19:47.52 | dodel | hello |
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| 19:48.26 | davidgul | i think it works now thanks guys |
| 19:48.31 | dodel | a |
| 19:48.36 | ghostlines | problem with eth0 not being brought up at boot was solved by me adding 'auto eth0' to the /etc/network/interfaces :) |
| 19:48.38 | zaltekk | it manupilates tar files, and can support gzip and bzip2 compression if the zlib and bz2 extentions are used |
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| 19:51.42 | newb | zaltekk: thanks :) |
| 19:51.59 | nimred | I tried ti update cache but here is what I get : http://sprunge.us/icRj |
| 19:52.00 | nimred | what did I miss ? |
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| 19:54.05 | dvs | nimred: it's a warning. you need the key from the Debian keyring. |
| 19:54.26 | tgreer | do i need to install an ipv6 module? |
| 19:54.31 | tgreer | debian squeeze |
| 19:54.48 | Zeranoe | Does anyone know how I can create a shortcut on my desktop with a custom icon? I'm using LXDE |
| 19:55.38 | dodel | sd |
| 19:55.52 | jelly-home | tgreer: sorry, /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 19:56.00 | jelly-home | thinko |
| 19:56.16 | tgreer | jelly-home: still makes no difference I'm affriad |
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| 19:57.12 | nimred | dvs: can you explain ? |
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| 19:57.30 | dvs | !debian-keyring |
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| 19:59.51 | nimred | dvs ? |
| 20:00.15 | dvs | nimred: is the debian-keyring package installed? |
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| 20:01.26 | jelly-home | dvs: ITYM debian-archive-keyring |
| 20:01.31 | nimred | dvs: debian-archive-keyring is |
| 20:01.44 | jelly-home | ,info debian-keyring |
| 20:01.45 | judd | Package debian-keyring (misc, optional) in squeeze/i386: GnuPG keys of Debian Developers. Version: 2010.12.29; Size: 30343.7k; Installed: 34988k; Homepage: http://keyring.debian.org/ |
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| 20:02.08 | jelly-home | dvs: that's all the developers' keys, not needed to merely download packages |
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| 20:03.02 | nimred | ok so what do i have to do with debian-archive-keyring ? |
| 20:03.36 | jelly-home | nimred: which release are you supposed to be running, there (why do you have both lenny and squeeze repos) |
| 20:04.59 | nimred | jelly-home: MEDIA7:~# cat /etc/issue |
| 20:05.00 | nimred | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l |
| 20:05.05 | jelly-home | nimred: pastebin the output of apt-cache policy debian-archive-keyring, and the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list please |
| 20:05.11 | dvs | ah |
| 20:05.31 | jelly-home | nimred: also, dpkg -l libc6 dpkg apt base-files |
| 20:06.01 | project2501a | is there a way to tell vi to match if and fi 's ? |
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| 20:06.51 | nimred | jelly-home: sources.list -> http://sprunge.us/KjZZ |
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| 20:07.36 | nimred | jelly-home: `apt-cache policy debian-archive-keyring` -> http://sprunge.us/DCPC |
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| 20:07.49 | jelly-home | nimred: did you comment out squeeze just now? It's not nice to change relevant files in the middle of people trying to help you |
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| 20:08.37 | nimred | jelly-home: `dpkg -l libc6 dpkg apt base-files` -> http://sprunge.us/BBSg |
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| 20:08.57 | nimred | jelly-home: oops yes i just commented it |
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| 20:10.03 | ruslan_osmanov | hi. is there a service for user-contributed packages? something like opensuse build service. But not for building. Just to upload deb |
| 20:10.15 | jelly-home | nimred: your system seems to be lenny, debian 5. if that apt-cache policy is correct, both the configured mirrors are broken, which is a bit weird |
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| 20:10.55 | jelly-home | ,version debian-archive-keyring |
| 20:10.56 | judd | Package: debian-archive-keyring on i386 -- lenny: 2010.08.28~lenny1; sid: 2010.08.28; squeeze: 2010.08.28; wheezy: 2010.08.28; experimental: 2011.10.23 |
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| 20:12.13 | nimred | jelly-home: so what do I have to do ? |
| 20:13.02 | jelly-home | nimred: Hm. Download it manually from http://packages.debian.org/lenny/all/debian-archive-keyring/download, install using dpkg, and do another apt-get update |
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| 20:15.13 | nimred | jelly-home: are you sure ? |
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| 20:17.54 | jelly-home | nimred: I'm SO sure, you have no idea |
| 20:18.14 | nimred | jelly-home: what do you mean ? |
| 20:18.17 | dvs | mixing distros? |
| 20:18.23 | jelly-home | nimred: what do YOU mean? |
| 20:18.39 | jelly-home | nimred: do you want that error solved or not? |
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| 20:19.18 | dioz | anyone here use the kfreebsd debian? |
| 20:19.35 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell dioz about kfreebsd |
| 20:19.38 | nimred | jelly-home: sure I want |
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| 20:19.56 | nimred | jelly-home: but i Ddo NOT want to break my system... |
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| 20:20.26 | dioz | jelly-home: word |
| 20:21.00 | jelly-home | nimred: leaving the squeeze line uncommented would have broken it more than installing a package for lenny on a lenny system would. |
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| 20:21.34 | nimred | jelly-home: this is sources.list from my MyBook |
| 20:21.47 | nimred | default one |
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| 20:21.58 | dvs | !paste |
| 20:21.58 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
| 20:22.14 | nimred | jelly-home: so `dpkg -i debian-archive-keyring_2010.08.28~lenny1_all.deb` ? |
| 20:22.28 | nimred | dvs: I was not about pasting my sources.lis... |
| 20:22.41 | nimred | dvs: just answering jelly-home |
| 20:22.49 | jelly-home | nimred: yes |
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| 20:24.47 | nimred | jelly-home: http://sprunge.us/EKXS |
| 20:25.20 | jelly-home | nimred: ok, why are you showing that? |
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| 20:25.47 | cpx | hi all |
| 20:26.01 | Carew | hi |
| 20:26.01 | cpx | i just want to ask why the ro option occure in the grub config |
| 20:26.06 | GTRsdk | What is the best way to move files using a command line? |
| 20:26.19 | cpx | and when it comes that the root partition is not read only at the end |
| 20:26.28 | jelly-home | nimred: you installed it, that's okay. Now do the remaining command and see if it works better now |
| 20:26.31 | nimred | jelly-home: because of warnings |
| 20:26.37 | cpx | GTRsdk, what about mv source destination |
| 20:26.39 | jelly-home | nimred: what warnings? |
| 20:27.04 | nimred | jelly-home: if you do not read what i post... |
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| 20:27.16 | GTRsdk | cpx: hmm... that might work, but is it possible to upload a file somewhere (like via ftp to a server?)? |
| 20:27.45 | jelly-home | nimred: they are unrelated to the package you jsut installed. |
| 20:27.47 | simonlnu | cpx: it's mounted read-only initially |
| 20:28.01 | cpx | GTRsdk, use some kind of ftp software like filezilla |
| 20:28.08 | cpx | what's your distribution |
| 20:28.13 | ruslan_osmanov | GTRsdk, scp, sftp |
| 20:28.28 | nimred | jelly-home: Ok so `apt-get update` ? |
| 20:28.29 | simonlnu | cpx: um, debian. we only support debian here. |
| 20:28.30 | jelly-home | nimred: please do the "apt-get update" and see if it stops complaining. |
| 20:29.10 | GTRsdk | cpx: that might work, but I'd have to install lxde... I guess I'll give it a try |
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| 20:29.58 | jordanm | GTRsdk: there is "ftp" on the command line |
| 20:30.16 | nimred | jelly-home: it is OK |
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| 20:30.20 | nimred | no complaining |
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| 20:30.50 | jelly-home | nimred: and only lenny lines are active? |
| 20:30.56 | GTRsdk | jordanm: okay so then would it be ftp [host] [username] [password]? |
| 20:31.21 | cpx | simonlnu, i'm asking about the debian grub configuration |
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| 20:31.43 | jordanm | GTRsdk: its interactive. ftp <host> |
| 20:31.52 | cpx | GTRsdk , ftp command line most likely will be hard for you |
| 20:32.08 | ChaosPunk | hi i have a question i want t oconnect my laptop with my pc over the net i have ubuntu 10.10 installed wich is the best solution for faster transfer ssh or vnc or both? |
| 20:32.09 | cpx | you can check man ftp for more information |
| 20:32.20 | jelly-home | nimred: what does "uname -a" say on that system? |
| 20:32.28 | cpx | ssh is faster ChaosPunk |
| 20:32.52 | cpx | you could use sftp mount |
| 20:33.03 | jelly-home | ChaosPunk: connect to what purpose? |
| 20:33.09 | Talon_ | i have a sqeeze box, i changed my sources.list to sid to try and dist-upgrade. now when I try to boot I get kernel panic vfs unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 20:33.19 | nimred | jelly-home: |
| 20:33.19 | nimred | nimred@MEDIA7:~$ uname -a |
| 20:33.19 | nimred | Linux MEDIA7 2.6.32.11-svn21605 #1 Fri Oct 15 17:13:23 PDT 2010 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 20:33.30 | ChaosPunk | i want to use my home pc as backup of my docs and be able easyly to transfer |
| 20:33.40 | nimred | jelly-home: only lenny lines active in sources.lis yes |
| 20:33.41 | ChaosPunk | videos mp3 docs etc. |
| 20:33.48 | jelly-home | nimred: wow, a ppc. how did you install the system? |
| 20:33.49 | cpx | ChaosPunk, you could check "man rsync" |
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| 20:34.06 | JasonWoof | I can't seem to get anywhere with fontforge without it crashing. Is there another font editor? |
| 20:34.55 | Talon_ | luckily I still have a 2.x kernel image and I can drop to console, can I fix my machine? |
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| 20:36.08 | alex- | What do I have to do if I lost my password? |
| 20:36.25 | somiaj | Talon_: I don't know can you....yes it should be possible to fix sid from either the console on an old kernel or a resuce image, but first you need to parse logs / check the bts to figure out why you are getting a kernel panic |
| 20:37.07 | somiaj | Talon_: you may find that #debian-next on irc.debian.org (offical debian irc network that is not freenode) is set up for support for testing/unstable |
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| 20:37.14 | zgillis | Let's talk politics at ##nexo |
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| 20:37.49 | ksx4system | alex-: boot from livecd, chroot to your old OS and use passwd command |
| 20:37.56 | somiaj | alex-: depends on what access you have without it. With physical access its possible to boot up into a root console that doesn't require a password and change the password |
| 20:38.03 | nimred | jelly-home: I didn't |
| 20:38.22 | nimred | jelly-home: it is WD MyBook storage i bought a few monthes ago |
| 20:38.44 | jelly-home | nimred: does WD ship with lenny or did the previous owner install it? |
| 20:39.07 | alex- | ksx4system: i don't have physical access to the machine |
| 20:39.38 | nimred | jelly-home: what do you mean ? |
| 20:40.08 | nimred | When i bought it it was new and Debian Lenny is the default Linux installed on it |
| 20:40.12 | Carew | alex-: can you still log with another account? |
| 20:40.23 | ksx4system | alex-: is it VPS? |
| 20:40.23 | dvs | O_O |
| 20:40.36 | jelly-home | nimred: so WD shipped with Debian as the original OS, that's what I asked. |
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| 20:40.39 | alex- | ksx4system: dedicated |
| 20:40.56 | jelly-home | nimred: what's the exact model btw? |
| 20:41.20 | nimred | jelly-home: a moment |
| 20:41.30 | ksx4system | alex-: call your ISP (I mean, datacenter) for remote hands - they'll do it for you (for example qwerty password and then you'll change it immediately) |
| 20:41.34 | somiaj | alex-: if you don't have physical access and your provider doesn't give you a way to recover the password / (sometimes they give you an ssh passkey) you will have to talk to them and have them reset it for you. |
| 20:41.48 | nimred | jelly-home: My Book Live (2TB) |
| 20:41.58 | alex- | but it's not possible without physical access? |
| 20:42.27 | nimred | jelly-home: so http://wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=280 |
| 20:42.48 | jelly-home | nimred: makes me wonder if they provide the source code for their kernel |
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| 20:43.06 | nimred | jelly-home: I do not know :( |
| 20:43.56 | jelly-home | (they are obligated to do so by the license) |
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| 20:44.56 | nimred | jelly-home: ok |
| 20:45.04 | nimred | jelly-home: great thanks for your help :) |
| 20:45.21 | simonlnu | cute, a "home network drive". marketing speak for a san. |
| 20:45.37 | jelly-home | nimred: well, it seems to be a pretty standard lenny install, for what it's worth. There are some custom packages, custom kernel. Be careful updating it. |
| 20:46.00 | simonlnu | probably for streaming and such |
| 20:46.01 | jelly-home | nimred: I'd make a backup image of the system before messing with it or installing new stuff |
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| 20:46.09 | xreal | I am using "linux-firmware" from Ubuntu in my Squeeze. Is it pure luck that it works or is it okay to use these firmwares? |
| 20:46.12 | simonlnu | definitely |
| 20:46.15 | nimred | jelly-home: not sure i will update it |
| 20:46.22 | jelly-home | nimred: if it works, don't |
| 20:46.30 | nimred | jelly-home: and sure it would be a good idea to first backup |
| 20:46.46 | nimred | jelly-home: except if i need to install packages |
| 20:48.00 | sisif | hey, quick nook question: just installed squeeze on my laptop, and having some issues with my wifi module / driver. More exactly this is what I get in dmesg: "iwlwifi-4965-2.ucode firmware file req failed: -2" . How should I proceed about getting the firmware file required? |
| 20:48.34 | simonlnu | !non-free |
| 20:48.34 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system run "aptitude search '~i~snon-free'". For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 20:48.43 | simonlnu | for starters |
| 20:49.19 | sisif | simonlnu, that one was for me ? |
| 20:49.22 | jelly-home | !tell sisif about search |
| 20:49.22 | simonlnu | yes |
| 20:49.30 | jelly-home | AND for xreal too! |
| 20:49.33 | sisif | simonlnu, got it, thanks |
| 20:49.45 | simonlnu | np |
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| 20:50.00 | simonlnu | !iwlwifi |
| 20:50.00 | sisif | !search non-free |
| 20:50.00 | dpkg | iwlwifi is a driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 3945 and WiFi Link 4965 devices since Lenny. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. If upgrading from Etch, see http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi to switch from ipw3945 to iwl3945. See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:50.11 | simonlnu | sisif: ^^^ |
| 20:50.22 | sisif | simonlnu, thanks again :) |
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| 20:50.38 | simonlnu | :) |
| 20:50.39 | jelly-home | xreal: it's not pure luck. However debian also has firmware, stored safely in the non-free repository. |
| 20:51.01 | simonlnu | away from prying eyes :P |
| 20:52.40 | sisif | Wooo. /me haz wifi. Thanks simonlnu |
| 20:53.01 | simonlnu | np |
| 20:53.22 | simonlnu | i did nothing, just trigger the bot a coupla times ;p |
| 20:53.30 | xreal | jelly-home: Where can I get it? |
| 20:54.04 | jelly-home | xreal: read what dpkg said about non-free, above. thne ask it about: /msg dpkg non-free sources |
| 20:54.15 | sisif | simonlnu, yes, but you spared me from some google-ing / digging trough forums / mail archive :P |
| 20:54.22 | simonlnu | xreal: in debian they're called firmware-linux-{free,nonfree} |
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| 20:54.31 | simonlnu | sisif: true, heh |
| 20:55.28 | xreal | simonlnu & jelly-home: Thanks |
| 20:55.45 | simonlnu | ok |
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| 20:56.27 | xreal | By the way: I've just installed linux kernel 3.2 from Ubuntu debs. Works fine! Luck again? |
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| 20:59.32 | simonlnu | sort of yes |
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| 21:00.08 | jelly-home | xreal: you'll get hurt mixing repos for different distros sooner or later |
| 21:00.33 | jelly-home | and neither distro will want to support the mishmash |
| 21:00.47 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 21:00.48 | BitPuffin | What was the package I need to install to get iostream and everything else for cpp standard library? |
| 21:00.49 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.8-1); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.6-1); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
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| 21:01.09 | BitPuffin | clang++ foo.cpp gives me "file not found "iostream" |
| 21:01.45 | jelly-home | BitPuffin: libstdc++-dev |
| 21:01.51 | BitPuffin | argh |
| 21:01.53 | BitPuffin | so close |
| 21:01.58 | BitPuffin | I was trying with libstdc++6 |
| 21:01.59 | jelly-home | BitPuffin: that's for gcc tho |
| 21:02.08 | jelly-home | no idea about clang |
| 21:02.40 | jelly-home | ,whatprovides libstdc++-dev |
| 21:02.48 | judd | Package libstdc++-dev in squeeze/i386 is provided by: libstdc++6-4.3-dev, libstdc++6-4.4-dev. |
| 21:03.12 | jelly-home | depending on version of g++ you want to use |
| 21:03.25 | BitPuffin | I think clang sits on top of GCC |
| 21:03.29 | BitPuffin | don't know for sure though |
| 21:03.30 | jelly-home | I don't. |
| 21:03.48 | BitPuffin | also needed g++ |
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| 21:04.02 | jelly-home | ,file bin/clang++ |
| 21:04.13 | judd | Search for bin/clang++ in squeeze/i386: clang: usr/bin/clang++ |
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| 21:05.08 | BitPuffin | why? o: |
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| 21:05.23 | BitPuffin | Okay now it compiles but it gives me a a.out file |
| 21:05.24 | BitPuffin | strange |
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| 21:05.25 | xreal | jelly-home: I want Debian to release some up-to-date kernels, like 3.0 or 3.1 ... building it for myself doesn't integrate any kernel-patches. |
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| 21:05.58 | BitPuffin | okay so something is missing |
| 21:06.09 | CheshireCat | JA |
| 21:06.32 | OsteHovel^PC | xreal: dosent testing got "uptodate" kernel? |
| 21:06.40 | BitPuffin | http://pastebin.com/86GtpqBQ |
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| 21:07.19 | jelly-home | xreal: what do you require newer kernels for |
| 21:08.16 | BitPuffin | that's when I compile in gcc |
| 21:08.28 | BitPuffin | so I guess that's why it doesn't work in clang either |
| 21:08.30 | jelly-home | BitPuffin: "a.out" is the default executable file name for gcc |
| 21:08.53 | BitPuffin | how do I execute that kind of file? |
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| 21:09.00 | jelly-home | just like any other executable |
| 21:09.01 | Carew | ./a.out |
| 21:09.05 | jelly-home | ^^ |
| 21:09.14 | BitPuffin | yeah but how do I resolve the problem with gcc now? |
| 21:09.29 | dvs | BitPuffin: you can name it what you want with the -o option |
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| 21:09.32 | zgillis | *Discuss politics now at ##nexo !* |
| 21:09.39 | jelly-home | !ops zgillis |
| 21:09.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: zgillis |
| 21:10.06 | BitPuffin | .../a.out cannot execute binary file |
| 21:10.08 | zgillis | ? |
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| 21:10.12 | BitPuffin | because I'm missing a dependency |
| 21:10.16 | BitPuffin | this is darn annoying |
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| 21:10.54 | jelly-home | zgillis: spam is not tolerated in here and will be pursued with prejudice |
| 21:10.54 | BitPuffin | what's all the packages you guys install when doing c++ development in debian? |
| 21:11.04 | BitPuffin | basically the quick command |
| 21:11.11 | peterS | join a channel, advertise a totally unrelated channel 2 seconds later, then have the gall to wonder why you get called out for it? |
| 21:11.19 | peterS | what a tool |
| 21:11.22 | BitPuffin | apt-get install gcc libstd-dev and? |
| 21:11.38 | peterS | BitPuffin: start with 'build-essential' |
| 21:11.45 | BitPuffin | I got that one too |
| 21:11.51 | peterS | that pulls in C and C++ compilers and a few related things |
| 21:12.14 | BitPuffin | all you need is build-essential? |
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| 21:12.24 | peterS | all you need is love |
| 21:12.29 | peterS | but build-essential is a good start |
| 21:12.29 | BitPuffin | haha |
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| 21:12.42 | BitPuffin | yeah but you see the pastebin and that's what I get when trying to compile in gcc |
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| 21:12.49 | simonlnu | hehe nice one peterS |
| 21:12.51 | BitPuffin | clang compiles it, but it cannot be executed |
| 21:13.32 | peterS | BitPuffin: the usual way to build C++ apps is with g++ |
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| 21:13.48 | jelly-home | BitPuffin: g++ depends on g++-4.4 which in turn depends on the matching libstdc++6-4.4-dev |
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| 21:13.51 | Carew | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status >> I recongnize this error :p |
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| 21:14.01 | xreal | OsteHovel^PC: 3.1, I think. But not as fast, as Ubuntu does. |
| 21:14.21 | xreal | jelly-home: Because I'm an interested user and I like to install updates. |
| 21:14.23 | peterS | BitPuffin: your pastebin makes it look like you're not linking to libstdc++, which is something g++ should do for you automatically |
| 21:14.41 | peterS | I mean, you can add -lstdc++ to your link line, but if you use g++, you shouldn't have to |
| 21:14.54 | jelly-home | xreal: help with debian testing, then |
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| 21:15.06 | jelly-home | xreal: it has lots of updates and lots of bugs! |
| 21:15.13 | BitPuffin | still getting can't execute binary file when compiled in g++ |
| 21:15.41 | somiaj | xreal: what is wrong with the 2.6.39 from backports? Why do you need a newer kernel what hardware are you wanting to support? |
| 21:15.46 | peterS | can't execute binary file? huh. can you pastebin 'file a.out' and 'objdump -p a.out' ? |
| 21:15.56 | simonlnu | somiaj: SNS |
| 21:16.03 | simonlnu | 's guess |
| 21:16.10 | jelly-home | !sns |
| 21:16.10 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 21:16.22 | peterS | BitPuffin: the objdump -p will be kind of long, you can just paste from "Dynamic Section:" on down if you want |
| 21:16.39 | peterS | though I suppose it's all the same by the time you're pasting crap anyway |
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| 21:17.09 | simonlnu | peterS the objump reading guy |
| 21:17.11 | somiaj | simonlnu: most likely, maybe one day people will stop trying to run testing and getting upset when it breaks. (: |
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| 21:17.24 | simonlnu | hehe |
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| 21:17.51 | BitPuffin | okay here's a paste on objdump |
| 21:17.51 | BitPuffin | http://pastebin.com/p0hYU463 |
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| 21:18.04 | serega_by | Hi all |
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| 21:18.17 | serega_by | who know how to install HipHop on debian |
| 21:18.20 | BitPuffin | looks like I'm missing some .so file |
| 21:18.31 | BitPuffin | libstdc++.so.6 |
| 21:18.42 | peterS | BitPuffin: see, libstdc++.so.6 should be pulled in from build-essential |
| 21:18.50 | serega_by | when it is make Cmake i get this message |
| 21:18.51 | peterS | BitPuffin: does 'ldd a.out' show it as present or missing? |
| 21:18.58 | Carew | xreal, somiaj: i am using testing with kernel: 3.1.0-1, it doesn't break alot with me and if it break I like to fix it :p |
| 21:19.33 | BitPuffin | http://pastebin.com/FFNt7Wic |
| 21:19.37 | BitPuffin | that's how that looks |
| 21:20.03 | simonlnu | wth |
| 21:20.06 | serega_by | http://pastebin.com/hiTPssJw |
| 21:20.08 | peterS | BitPuffin: right, so you can see, all the libraries it needs are there. it would say "not found" or something, on one of those lines, if you had anything missing |
| 21:20.19 | OsteHovel^PC | xreal: but i still fint it quite cool that it infat works to use a ubuntu kernel packages on debian |
| 21:20.22 | somiaj | Carew: I run sid here, and would suggest that to someone who wants bleeding edge debian. But many issues I see here are due to running testing or mixing testing packages with stable. (: |
| 21:20.27 | BitPuffin | yeah |
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| 21:20.33 | BitPuffin | well then I'm pretty stumped |
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| 21:20.45 | BitPuffin | Why isn't it linking correctly :( |
| 21:20.47 | simonlnu | the compiler is borked, i'd say |
| 21:20.47 | somiaj | Carew: rule one of debian testing, if you have to ask how to run it, don't. :D |
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| 21:21.06 | peterS | BitPuffin: makes me wonder if you're running this on a filesystem mounted 'noexec', so that you don't have permission to execute anything on that filesystem |
| 21:21.18 | simonlnu | oh maybe |
| 21:21.23 | BitPuffin | I have permissions |
| 21:21.28 | Carew | somiaj: I agree, but I have fun while fixing it I guess, that is why I want to use it |
| 21:21.36 | BitPuffin | it's even tellnig me I have root permission without password |
| 21:21.56 | BitPuffin | I think that's because I added "isak ALL=(ALL) ALL" to visudo |
| 21:21.58 | peterS | you don't have any 'noexec' flags in /etc/fstab then? |
| 21:22.07 | serega_by | Who anybody installed HPHP for PHP ? |
| 21:22.17 | serega_by | in debian |
| 21:22.25 | somiaj | Carew: well if you don't plan to ever stablize out and run wheezy when its released, you may find sid a bit more to you rliking (it gets faster fixes and security updates than testing and over all I think is less buggy -- just a higher chance for grave bugs. |
| 21:22.33 | xreal | I wonder, if there are any documents, which show, how Ubuntu differs from Debian (I don't mean packaging rules and security). |
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| 21:22.49 | BitPuffin | peters should I paste the file? |
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| 21:23.02 | simonlnu | !tell serega_by -about search |
| 21:23.02 | peterS | BitPuffin: you should look and see if it has any 'noexec' in it |
| 21:23.25 | jordanm | somiaj: higher chances of a completely non-working system during a transition |
| 21:23.29 | BitPuffin | Don't see anything like that |
| 21:25.01 | somiaj | jordanm: that you do, but over all testing has its own unique set of bugs due to who packages migrate. But alas they are both prone to breakage. |
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| 21:25.35 | somiaj | I just prefer sid over testing myself for my play desktop, I'd use stable if I actually wanted to get work done and not fix things when I upgrade. (: |
| 21:25.41 | simonlnu | so are bridges and bicycles |
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| 21:26.40 | Carew | somiaj: I use it even on my laptop and can sometimes be productive :p |
| 21:27.09 | somiaj | Carew: sid has been my primary os for 10+ years, but I don't do mission critical work on my computer, this is just a hobby of mine |
| 21:27.26 | serega_by | I installed libmemcached but HPHP for PHP isn't installing |
| 21:27.33 | BitPuffin | Hm |
| 21:27.33 | serega_by | why it can be ? |
| 21:27.43 | BitPuffin | reinstall build essential and libstdc++? |
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| 21:28.20 | Carew | somiaj: so no work related things? just as a hobby? |
| 21:28.59 | somiaj | Carew: I do all my latex documents, email and the likes, but nothign mission critical. If my computer breaks I can do what I need to do on another machine just as easily. |
| 21:29.10 | jelly-home | my mission is not critical. |
| 21:29.19 | simonlnu | serega_by: you should ask the people who distribute it |
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| 21:29.48 | Carew | somiaj: do you thrust using it as a back? for example on a machine that runs stable? for critical things I mean |
| 21:29.51 | somiaj | BitPuffin: if you are looking for noexec bits, check the output of 'mount' -- the cannot execute binary seems to me like some permissions/kernel issue more than a compiler/libary issue. |
| 21:30.02 | Carew | somiaj: *back-up |
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| 21:31.12 | somiaj | Carew: the two major issues with sid are 1) security and 2) upgrades. I personally only upgrade my system every few months when I have time to fix things or want to install new software. Also install apt-listbugs will help you avoid known grave bugs. |
| 21:31.27 | BitPuffin | don't see anything like that |
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| 21:36.18 | somiaj | Carew: its been a long time since I've heard of a sid bug that has destroyed data (though recentally there have been a string of bugs that make major things not work by default, and one that made the system unusable, but a recuse image was all that was needed to fix it) |
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| 21:37.03 | somiaj | but if you don't have multiple backups of your data anyways, hardware failure can be far more catasotraphic than a bad upgrade. |
| 21:37.05 | simonlnu | rescue? |
| 21:37.29 | somiaj | simonlnu: isn't that what they call the limited shells you can boot into from the install media (say netinstall images) |
| 21:37.29 | Carew | somiaj: recuse? rescue? |
| 21:37.46 | somiaj | sorry, yea, I am prone to typos...:( |
| 21:37.52 | simonlnu | "i recuse myself from this case" |
| 21:37.56 | Carew | np |
| 21:37.59 | simonlnu | s'cool |
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| 21:41.21 | alex- | Because of a bug in !webmin, it got banned from debian |
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| 21:41.26 | alex- | !webmin\ |
| 21:41.28 | alex- | !webmin |
| 21:42.02 | stockholm | alex: webmin got banned :-) |
| 21:42.07 | alex- | why? |
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| 21:42.18 | stockholm | the code is not good |
| 21:42.31 | stockholm | the author is not up to speed regarding coding and security |
| 21:42.40 | alex- | how do you know? |
| 21:42.44 | alex- | you didnt used it for ages |
| 21:42.45 | stockholm | he does not know what a version control system is |
| 21:42.51 | alex- | that bug was in 2006 |
| 21:42.53 | alex- | it's 2012 now |
| 21:42.55 | alex- | 6 years later |
| 21:43.09 | stockholm | alex-: i was the one that pushed for webmin to be kicked out |
| 21:43.10 | simonlnu | and, was it fixed? |
| 21:43.17 | alex- | yes |
| 21:43.21 | stockholm | alex-: i talked to the author |
| 21:43.25 | stockholm | i tried to help |
| 21:43.28 | stockholm | no hope |
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| 21:44.42 | BitPuffin | removed everything with synaptic |
| 21:44.48 | BitPuffin | and installed build-essential |
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| 21:45.30 | Roberta}{ | WWW.FROG.XXX |
| 21:45.31 | simonlnu | !ops Roberta}{ |
| 21:45.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: simonlnu complains about: Roberta}{ |
| 21:45.58 | simonlnu | thank you |
| 21:46.02 | alex- | First time I saw xxx domain |
| 21:46.03 | daemonkeeper | .xxx already exists? |
| 21:46.13 | alex- | daemonkeeper: it seems to be |
| 21:46.22 | BitPuffin | unfedined reference to std::cout |
| 21:46.23 | BitPuffin | hmm |
| 21:46.40 | dvs | include <cstdio>? |
| 21:47.03 | daemonkeeper | http://icmregistry.com/ |
| 21:47.05 | BitPuffin | shouldn't be necessary? |
| 21:47.07 | daemonkeeper | Looks like. |
| 21:47.10 | BitPuffin | include <iostream> |
| 21:47.13 | daemonkeeper | </eot> |
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| 21:47.52 | stockholm | hi Roberta}{ |
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| 21:49.43 | simonlnu | probably looking for another host to zombify |
| 21:49.46 | alex- | lol |
| 21:49.52 | alex- | or another channel |
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| 21:50.11 | alex- | ye he/she changed her host |
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| 21:50.55 | alex- | He's from ESPANA |
| 21:51.08 | streuner_ | who knows.. |
| 21:51.24 | simonlnu | streuner_: it's called whois and host |
| 21:51.27 | simonlnu | ;p |
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| 21:52.20 | sevard | Does anyone have this issue on lenny/sid ? PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/amqp.so' - /usr/lib/amqp.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0 |
| 21:52.44 | streuner_ | lenny/sid? |
| 21:53.02 | simonlnu | lenny/sid, and "no such file or directory" is a clue |
| 21:53.17 | streuner_ | Are you using lenny *OR* sid? |
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| 21:53.25 | sevard | I'm unsure which version it is. |
| 21:53.53 | streuner_ | it becomes better and better... |
| 21:54.06 | simonlnu | streuner_: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 21:54.13 | simonlnu | streuner_: woops, sorry dude |
| 21:54.18 | simonlnu | sevard: ^^^ |
| 21:54.38 | sevard | simonlnu: it says it's installed |
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| 21:54.50 | simonlnu | sevard: the version |
| 21:55.04 | simonlnu | of course it's installed ;) |
| 21:55.18 | streuner_ | sevard: please tell us what "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say |
| 21:55.28 | sevard | heh, sorry. Version 2.7-10ubuntu6 |
| 21:55.50 | simonlnu | that's not even debian, never mind lenny OR sid ;) |
| 21:55.52 | streuner_ | it becomes better and better :-/ |
| 21:55.59 | zaltekk | sevard: did you install the extension? |
| 21:56.03 | zaltekk | it isn't a built-in part of php |
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| 21:56.07 | simonlnu | #ubuntu is that way >>> |
| 21:56.07 | zaltekk | http://us3.php.net/manual/en/amqp.installation.php |
| 21:56.52 | BitPuffin | OKAY |
| 21:56.58 | zaltekk | afaik neither debian nor ubuntu package the php extension as a package |
| 21:56.59 | BitPuffin | so I've gotten a bit further in investigation |
| 21:56.59 | streuner_ | sevard: you are prolly using ubuntu, please /join #ubuntu |
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| 21:57.18 | sevard | sorry guys, I didn't know I was on ubuntu, no signs pointed towards that. |
| 21:57.31 | zaltekk | how do you not know your os? |
| 21:57.36 | sevard | not my machine :D |
| 21:57.37 | BitPuffin | I made a file which only had int main(){} in it. g++ foo.cpp, . a.out said "cannot execute binary file" |
| 21:57.38 | BitPuffin | HMM |
| 21:58.00 | mtrd` | is there any command to modify volume on alsamixer ? |
| 21:58.37 | simonlnu | mtrd`: up/down keys, or numbers |
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| 21:59.11 | mtrd` | simonlnu, i would to bind a key to execute a command in terminal, i don't think it'll be right to do this ? |
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| 21:59.43 | mtrd` | would like * |
| 22:00.16 | philipp | guys is there a chance to remove my passwort out of a existing pgp private key? |
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| 22:02.10 | Tramp | philipp: changing it to the empty string should do that |
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| 22:04.04 | BitPuffin | okay so the problem was that I tried to execute them by doing . foo |
| 22:04.09 | BitPuffin | it's just supposed to be foo |
| 22:04.48 | dvs | The . is only for script files. |
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| 22:05.34 | BitPuffin | yeah |
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| 22:05.58 | dvs | From the command line it's ./foo |
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| 22:06.09 | philipp | Tramp worked thx nerd =) |
| 22:06.18 | Tramp | yw |
| 22:09.09 | BitPuffin | oh yeah that's right |
| 22:09.14 | BitPuffin | the . is for where I am right? |
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| 22:09.30 | dvs | the current directory |
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| 22:11.44 | chelz | any people versed in gpg usage, i would appreciate any help with this: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/532140/ |
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| 22:17.30 | kgoetz | chelz: #gpg or #gnu will probably give replies to that |
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| 22:21.45 | ompaul | chelz: you know the reason it does not is because it is expecting two inputs of possible different types if you copied into combined SHA1SUMS twice and ran it against it you'd be cool as would you if you copied all the sums from debian 6.0.3 the sig should live in a sig file if you get lots of sig files they will work |
| 22:22.20 | ompaul | chelz: else my understanding needs to be revised |
| 22:24.08 | chelz | ompaul: well it doesn't complain about anything besides saying the sig is bad. usually it'll complain about some formatting error |
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| 22:24.39 | chelz | kgoetz: #gpg is empty and i have asked in #gnu without any replies ;/ |
| 22:24.54 | chelz | i guess i need to try the mailing list |
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| 22:25.40 | project2501a | whats' the channel for request tracker, anyway? |
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| 22:26.02 | gusto | cool |
| 22:26.04 | gusto | hi ppl |
| 22:26.08 | gusto | what's new? |
| 22:28.34 | ompaul | considers key is not a sig and sig is not a key |
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| 22:28.48 | ompaul | or sorry |
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| 22:28.57 | ompaul | considers key is not a sum and a sum is not a key |
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| 22:32.31 | kgoetz | idly wishes the dist-upgrade processess allowed a 'diff-edit' option instead of just 'diff' and 'drop to shell' |
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| 22:34.01 | ompaul | kgoetz: design your own repo? pinning |
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| 22:34.31 | kgoetz | ompaul: i suspect it would require surgery in debconf |
| 22:34.46 | kgoetz | ompaul: which is the point where i should just give up (: |
| 22:35.00 | ompaul | ok |
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| 22:35.53 | kgoetz | whips out an enraged trout and slaps joeyh around a bit |
| 22:36.12 | kgoetz | moved debconf into git (fine), with a commit message 'moved to git'. no reference of *where* to look next |
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| 22:37.58 | ompaul | kgoetz: nice one |
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| 22:38.15 | simonlnu | heh. smack him again ;p. |
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| 22:38.21 | ompaul | http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=debconf/debconf.git;a=summary |
| 22:38.31 | kgoetz | simonlnu: tempting :p |
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| 22:39.31 | ompaul | kgoetz: ^^ is that debconf you are looking for? |
| 22:39.55 | simonlnu | hehe |
| 22:40.21 | kgoetz | yeah. i pulled the link out of the pts in the end. |
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| 22:40.55 | ompaul | kgoetz: file a bug against the last version where it said moved to git ;-) |
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| 22:41.04 | kgoetz | hehe |
| 22:41.32 | kgoetz | debconf doesn't contain the string 'Package distributor has shipped an updated version', so off to the goog i go |
| 22:42.36 | ompaul | kgoetz: And there I'll leave it with you. rest is needed cheers mate |
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| 22:42.53 | kgoetz | ompaul: have a good one |
| 22:42.57 | kgoetz | catch you next time (: |
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| 22:50.11 | p3rror | any one experienced with nginx ? |
| 22:50.16 | p3rror | i have a question |
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| 22:51.21 | cthuluh | UnicornS: then ask it and wait for a reply |
| 22:51.28 | UnicornS | ok |
| 22:51.48 | UnicornS | i run fastcgi for nginx |
| 22:51.58 | UnicornS | and i setup phpmyadmin application |
| 22:52.06 | UnicornS | and need to browse it content |
| 22:52.23 | UnicornS | so, when i do a GET request i get always ngix welcome message |
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| 22:52.33 | UnicornS | "Welcome to nginx!" |
| 22:52.59 | UnicornS | cthuluh, here is the config for phpmyadmin instance http://paste.debian.net/151603 |
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| 22:53.27 | zaltekk | sounds like you didn't configure nginx |
| 22:53.34 | UnicornS | ah right ? |
| 22:53.41 | UnicornS | i let the default configuration |
| 22:53.45 | UnicornS | wha t i have to do then |
| 22:53.55 | zaltekk | then how would it know anything about phpMyAdmin? |
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| 22:54.29 | cthuluh | UnicornS: I didn't say I know anything about nginx ;) |
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| 22:56.38 | UnicornS | zaltekk, i add this http://paste.debian.net/151603 |
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| 23:04.42 | SPF | how can I reinstall apache2 to get the config back? I tried purge followed by install, but it does not bring back the configuration files |
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| 23:05.09 | dvs | !confmiss |
| 23:05.09 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
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| 23:09.55 | simonlnu | SPF: config is in -common |
| 23:10.11 | SPF | simonlnu: thanks |
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