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| 00:00.52 | sisif | Hey guys. Do I need any thing else installed, except for blue-alsa, in order to use some BT headphones ? |
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| 00:01.23 | TheUser | hello |
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| 00:02.42 | abrotman | sisif: bluez stuff maybe? |
| 00:03.26 | TheUser | just got a minimal install of debain stable running |
| 00:03.33 | TheUser | installed openbox and a few other packages |
| 00:03.52 | abrotman | hopes there is more to this story |
| 00:03.57 | TheUser | still installed a browser, someone remind me of the application thats used to auto mount drives |
| 00:04.08 | TheUser | something like fddisks |
| 00:04.20 | abrotman | udisks maybe? |
| 00:04.42 | TheUser | must be, thank you |
| 00:04.49 | jhutchins_lt | TheUser: Do you mean temporary mounts of removable disks or the normal at-boot mounts of system partitions? |
| 00:05.00 | abrotman | already solved! you're too late! |
| 00:05.04 | TheUser | hehe |
| 00:05.22 | TheUser | for temp mounts jhutchins |
| 00:05.25 | sisif | abrotman, already have it |
| 00:05.53 | sisif | Think is, there`s no place to select the bluetooth headphones as an output |
| 00:06.14 | tgreer | Hi guys. Still fighting with getting ipv6 operational using /etc/network/interfaces. I can make it work if i do 'ip -6 addr add ipv6address/64 dev eth0' |
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| 00:07.35 | abrotman | tgreer: have you read the ipv6 stuff in the wiki? |
| 00:08.02 | tgreer | abrotman: if you're referring to http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6#Native_IPv6 then yes |
| 00:08.12 | tgreer | it works using that, but not if i put it in interfaces |
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| 00:11.15 | abrotman | tgreer: let's see your interfaces file please, paste.debian.net |
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| 00:16.05 | abrotman | or not ... |
| 00:16.39 | tgreer | sorry just getting it |
| 00:16.42 | acu_ | hey guys what is with thie 10.0.0.1 addresses - for LAN is the 192.168.whatever. watherver IP used ? |
| 00:16.44 | tgreer | forgot i enabled ssh key only access |
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| 00:17.37 | abrotman | acu_: 10.x.x.x is for private networks also |
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| 00:17.57 | tgreer | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a4fb05ac/ |
| 00:18.03 | dokma | is there anything in debian repos to record gui actions and replay them? |
| 00:18.10 | abrotman | likes the 'hidden' .. on IRC |
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| 00:18.22 | tgreer | abrotman: stops google caching it |
| 00:18.28 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:18.28 | tgreer | or at leaste it does on pastebin |
| 00:18.36 | abrotman | tgreer: can you have 'eth0' for both interfaces ? |
| 00:18.46 | tgreer | i'd have thought so |
| 00:18.50 | Guest66938 | see if anyone has a suggestions, I had a Debian system, I just installed Windows 7 wiping it all out like a week ago. I need to recover a file I had on the Linux partition, any suggestion? |
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| 00:19.00 | abrotman | Guest66938: your backup |
| 00:19.14 | Guest66938 | abrotman, I dont have a backup thats the problem |
| 00:19.30 | Guest66938 | abrotman, I forgot to backup this file before wiping out and installing Windows 7 from the disk |
| 00:19.30 | tgreer | abrotman: i'll try setting the ipv6 to be eth0:0 |
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| 00:19.43 | abrotman | Guest66938: did you make ntfs take the whole drive? |
| 00:19.49 | Guest66938 | abrotman, yes |
| 00:19.52 | abrotman | tgreer: are you 100% sure the ipv6 module is loaded? |
| 00:19.55 | abrotman | Guest66938: it's gone |
| 00:20.26 | tgreer | abrotman: yes, cos if i set it using ip -6 addr add it works fine |
| 00:20.50 | abrotman | tgreer: that's after the system is up ... not while booting |
| 00:21.18 | tgreer | hmm |
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| 00:23.13 | tgreer | i have it working by putting the ip -6 command in rc.local |
| 00:23.17 | tgreer | its dirty but it'll do :) |
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| 00:23.51 | abrotman | tgreer: if i read your file correctly .. should just work |
| 00:23.53 | abrotman | !tell jQuery about root |
| 00:23.57 | jhutchins_lt | Guest23887: Do not expend any further effort in this matter. You will not see that data again. |
| 00:24.26 | abrotman | already solved! you're too late! |
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| 00:24.52 | abrotman | tgreer: did you try ipv6 only ? |
| 00:25.18 | abrotman | tgreer: whta is 'uname -a' ? |
| 00:25.32 | tgreer | no i didnt, as i need ipv4 working primarily |
| 00:25.57 | tgreer | 2.6.325-amd64 |
| 00:26.28 | abrotman | ok |
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| 00:29.09 | abrotman | judd: versions ifupdown |
| 00:29.11 | judd | Package: ifupdown on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.8+nmu1; squeeze: 0.6.10; sid: 0.7~alpha5+really0.6.16; wheezy: 0.7~alpha5+really0.6.16; experimental: 0.7~beta2 |
| 00:29.19 | abrotman | tgreer: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=606522 .. probably your issue |
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| 00:31.08 | tgreer | abrotman: likely. thanks for your assistance |
| 00:31.56 | abrotman | tgreer: sorry about your luck |
| 00:32.36 | tgreer | heh its ok. I was just worried i was doing something really wrong |
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| 00:32.51 | tgreer | all my other devices work fine, but none of them are debian... |
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| 00:33.19 | abrotman | would have thought a bug like that would have been fixed ages ago .. oh well |
| 00:33.34 | bfig | hello. my sound output just stopped working. i haven't touched any settings or anything |
| 00:33.51 | abrotman | are you sure you still have a sound card? |
| 00:34.08 | bfig | pretty much, in fact the sound control appear there |
| 00:34.28 | xinkill | You haven't muted the sound did you? |
| 00:34.30 | abrotman | bfig: i meant electronically, not physically .. lspci -nn ... look for an Audio device |
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| 00:35.10 | bfig | abrotman, yes i have |
| 00:35.27 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 00:35.27 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pa> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>, <macsound>. |
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| 00:39.46 | dvs | wonders why "speaker-test -c 2 -t wav" isn't used. |
| 00:39.56 | bfig | abrotman, neither works |
| 00:39.58 | abrotman | it was at one time |
| 00:40.12 | abrotman | bfig: neither? there are 6 steps there |
| 00:41.04 | bfig | well... i am in the audio group. i tried step 2 and it didn't work. 4 makes no sense, i'm on a laptop, 5 is not working |
| 00:41.15 | bfig | :) |
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| 00:42.27 | bfig | i have more audio controls than ever though.... i have pulseaudio and alsa. is that fine or should it be different? |
| 00:43.49 | dvs | bfig: I'd get rid of PulseAudio personally.\ |
| 00:44.00 | bfig | dvs, it just appeared. how do i blast it to hell? |
| 00:44.28 | dvs | bfig: aptitude purge pulseaudio |
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| 00:45.31 | bfig | what's the difference between purge and remove? |
| 00:45.50 | dvs | purge gets rid of the configuratin files too |
| 00:46.05 | bfig | getting this: |
| 00:46.13 | bfig | PulseAudio configured for per-user sessions ... (warning). |
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| 00:46.44 | bfig | i also got some other message on kernel start with a (warning) in orange |
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| 00:47.52 | bfig | gonna relog. one sec |
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| 00:50.24 | bfig | i think this got installed when i was trying to install mumble |
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| 01:00.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i was wondering if debian has some sort of multicast imaging restore tools? I know about clonzilla |
| 01:00.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | but its less then perfect for my needs. |
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| 01:06.51 | jhutchins_lt | Eryn_1983_FL: If you want something more perfect than clonezilla you'll have to write it yourself. |
| 01:07.05 | jhutchins_lt | Eryn_1983_FL: Nothing more refined has been made public as far as I know. |
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| 01:12.17 | hid3 | Hello everyone. My ntpd hangs on each boot (Starting NTPD...) for ~5 minutes. Looks like it can't connect to internet. Is there any way to avoid this really old & stupid problem? |
| 01:12.44 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: imaging or installation ? |
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| 01:13.20 | abrotman | hid3: you not having internet is an old and stupid problem ? |
| 01:14.08 | hid3 | abrotman: in fact it does have. Other services start just fine. |
| 01:14.16 | hid3 | anyway, any real fix for the problem? |
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| 01:15.47 | simonlnu | try pointing at other sources |
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| 01:17.18 | simonlnu | hands streuner__ a tail chopper |
| 01:17.20 | max_sharpe | isnt there only one ntpd server? |
| 01:17.39 | dvs | max_sharpe: ha! |
| 01:17.49 | simonlnu | max_sharpe: what? |
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| 01:17.50 | dvs | only one server is capable of keeping time? |
| 01:18.18 | jhutchins_lt | max_sharpe: ? |
| 01:18.29 | jhutchins_lt | max_sharpe: Are you thinking that there's one master server somewhere? |
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| 01:19.12 | max_sharpe | im sorry inst ntpd the daemon for keeping time that syncs to the atomic clock somewhere? |
| 01:19.22 | jhutchins_lt | max_sharpe: I mean, 'cause if you're really interested in the question, I can give you about forty years of obsession about it... |
| 01:19.27 | simonlnu | um |
| 01:19.34 | dvs | max_sharpe: to AN atomic clock somewhere. |
| 01:19.36 | max_sharpe | lol |
| 01:19.37 | simonlnu | jhutchins_lt: go ahead man =) |
| 01:19.45 | dondelelcaro | max_sharpe: there are tons of atomic clocks, and tons of distributed timeservers. |
| 01:19.47 | max_sharpe | looks at the rooms name |
| 01:19.53 | abrotman | hid3: can you paste your ntpd.conf somewhere |
| 01:19.54 | max_sharpe | sorry didnt realize this was english 101 |
| 01:20.07 | jhutchins_lt | max_sharpe: There are multiple atomic clocks, but within the NTP system the concept is of "tiers" of servers depending on how far they are from an absolute source. |
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| 01:21.02 | jhutchins_lt | max_sharpe: An absolute source is something that has access to the atomic clock network, such as a GPS receiver or a receiver that can sync with the atomic clock via radio or some other link for which the lag can be calculated precicely. |
| 01:21.24 | jhutchins_lt | max_sharpe: These are "tier 0" servers |
| 01:21.50 | hid3 | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/nyFLnUv8 |
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| 01:22.25 | simonlnu | 's machines are synced with tier 1s |
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| 01:23.06 | abrotman | hid3: can you resolve those hostnames? |
| 01:23.08 | abrotman | simonlnu: you're evil |
| 01:23.17 | simonlnu | i have permission |
| 01:23.30 | simonlnu | explicit, written permission |
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| 01:23.39 | abrotman | hid3: and how does that compare to your /etc/ntp.conf ? |
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| 01:24.10 | simonlnu | i run stuff on the network that needs precision |
| 01:24.25 | simonlnu | otherwise i wouldn't have bothered |
| 01:25.13 | hid3 | it's actually /etc/ntp.conf |
| 01:25.27 | abrotman | hid3: just mkaing sure .. can you resolve those hostnames? |
| 01:25.31 | hid3 | I don't have anything else in /etc/ntp* |
| 01:26.02 | hid3 | yes, they all resolve (checked a minute ago) |
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| 01:27.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | want to do imaging deployment |
| 01:27.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | abrotman: but clonezilla should work fine for what i need i suppose |
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| 01:28.37 | abrotman | hid3: maybe try setting it to start later in teh process |
| 01:29.13 | hid3 | abrotman: actually I added $local_fs $remote_fs $syslog $network to the script and disabled/enabled it |
| 01:29.21 | hid3 | not sure how to delay the start further |
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| 01:34.02 | abrotman | hid3: change the number with the init script |
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| 01:34.40 | hid3 | it doesn't have any numbers |
| 01:34.49 | hid3 | I'm using squeeze, it's dependency based boot |
| 01:34.57 | abrotman | hid3: ls /etc/rc2.d/*ntp* ? |
| 01:35.30 | abrotman | hid3: you could put the script into debugging mode .. or just use update-rc.d to make it stop starting completely |
| 01:36.32 | hid3 | abrotman: in rc2.d it's almost the last one (although I belive those numbers don't affect anything. Analysing my system I found that "higher" numbers in rc2.d boots before lower, etc.. |
| 01:36.33 | hid3 | nonsens |
| 01:36.47 | hid3 | oh, and I indeed need this daemon running, we use it |
| 01:38.01 | abrotman | hid3: does it print any errors? or just stall ? |
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| 01:39.04 | hid3 | just stall |
| 01:39.13 | hid3 | ^C does nothing |
| 01:39.16 | hid3 | okay |
| 01:39.20 | hid3 | I'll disable it |
| 01:39.31 | abrotman | hid3: tried purging/reinstalling ? |
| 01:39.35 | hid3 | sleep 30 && /etc/init.d/ntp start & |
| 01:39.45 | hid3 | this will do for me in my other startup script |
| 01:39.49 | hid3 | too tired to mess with it |
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| 01:46.22 | bfig | abrotman, pa is not present. how do i restart it? |
| 01:46.27 | bfig | and why is it down in the first place |
| 01:47.14 | abrotman | pa is not present ? |
| 01:47.21 | abrotman | oh .. pulse audio |
| 01:47.30 | abrotman | probably an init script in /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 01:47.51 | nevyn | no... |
| 01:48.00 | nevyn | pa should run as your user as part of your session |
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| 01:48.19 | bfig | i just blasted pa with aptitude purge pulseaudio |
| 01:48.21 | dvs | bfig: you uninstalled it |
| 01:48.21 | nevyn | and by default it should respawn itself (the cause of much consternation) |
| 01:48.28 | bfig | but alsa should work right? |
| 01:48.43 | dvs | yes |
| 01:48.43 | nevyn | maybe. |
| 01:48.44 | abrotman | you tell us |
| 01:48.50 | dvs | ??? |
| 01:48.52 | nevyn | depends what you want. |
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| 01:49.14 | bfig | i see xfce4 panel is not taking notice of this and i still find the controls in the audio controls widget |
| 01:49.52 | nevyn | bfig: you sure pulse isn't running? run pactl stat |
| 01:50.23 | gnarface | bfig: alsa ships with what many would consider a "non-working" default configuration. it should work, and well, but it may not be as easy to learn as pulseaudio |
| 01:51.12 | bfig | nevyn, it says servername pulseaudio, but then it gives some alsa things at the bottom |
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| 01:51.38 | bfig | gnarface, which one would you recommend? i don't understand much about how sound works |
| 01:51.54 | nevyn | bfig: did you purge it. |
| 01:52.25 | bfig | yes |
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| 01:52.32 | nevyn | bfig: run pactl exit |
| 01:52.39 | nevyn | then run pactl stat |
| 01:52.49 | nevyn | it should say couldn't connect to server. |
| 01:52.55 | bfig | bfv@localhost:~$ pactl exit |
| 01:52.55 | bfig | Connection failure: Connection terminated |
| 01:53.00 | gnarface | bfig: i'd actually recommend alsa, after years of being an OSS fan. i will admit that it took me 2 weeks of solid trying to really grok it though, mostly due to bad or nonexistent documentation and a fundamental misunderstanding i had about my particular audio hardware which windows hides from you |
| 01:53.20 | gnarface | bfig: pulseaudio has never failed to piss me off |
| 01:53.24 | bfig | lol |
| 01:53.30 | nevyn | likes pulseaudio |
| 01:53.35 | bfig | nevyn, bfv@localhost:~$ pactl stat |
| 01:53.36 | bfig | Connection failure: Connection refused |
| 01:53.36 | bfig | pa_context_connect() failed: Connection refused |
| 01:53.37 | nevyn | but then I have 3 soundcards. |
| 01:53.46 | gnarface | i've heard people say pulseaudio sounds better when resampling or something? |
| 01:53.48 | dvs | seconds gnarface |
| 01:54.00 | nevyn | plus do things like sending audio from my laptop to the speakers in the loungroom etc |
| 01:54.16 | gnarface | yea i've only ever run at most 2 soundcards, and all i used the second one for was the mic input |
| 01:54.32 | gnarface | i finally figured out how to get alsa to behave with my onboard card though |
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| 01:55.05 | bfig | i haven't really understood how to use all the ways to output sound with my laptop in linux |
| 01:55.44 | bfig | ie, i connected the hdmi the other day and some weird flickering plus no sound..., this time sound worked fine with headphones, last laptop it didn't :| |
| 01:56.58 | bfig | nevyn, any idea what happened there? |
| 01:56.59 | gnarface | bfig: to effectively use alsa you first need to know whether your audio card can do hardware recording &playback at the same time |
| 01:57.55 | gnarface | bfig: or for that matter whether it can do any hardware muxing at all |
| 01:58.24 | bfig | ok, now root has sound (tested with aplay) |
| 01:58.43 | nevyn | bfig: is your user in the audio group? |
| 01:58.47 | bfig | yes |
| 01:58.51 | bfig | gonna test my user |
| 01:59.00 | bfig | ok, now audio works, thanks all :) |
| 01:59.14 | dvs | pulseaudio strikes again |
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| 01:59.34 | nevyn | pulseaudio is awesome. |
| 01:59.39 | dvs | bah |
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| 01:59.59 | bfig | lol. well, i was trying to set up mumble, i think the mumble package installed pulseaudio |
| 02:00.01 | nevyn | the ootb setup sucks and you need to write a .asoundrc ... |
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| 02:00.24 | nevyn | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 |
| 02:00.38 | nevyn | describes all the bits to do to make pa work on debian properly |
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| 02:01.52 | bfig | i'm trying to make my hardware mic correctly capture sound |
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| 02:02.17 | nevyn | a mic by definition is hardware. |
| 02:02.42 | bfig | my bulit in mic then |
| 02:02.49 | nevyn | is it internal external usb 3.5mm socket powered/mono digital analog ? |
| 02:04.22 | bfig | no idea, is that something that should show up in lspci? |
| 02:04.31 | bfig | or lsusb? |
| 02:04.51 | gnarface | anyone know of a (cheap) photo scanner that works in debian preferrably USB and recently manufactured so i can still go buy one at the store? |
| 02:05.56 | k-man | which directory does atftpd use for the files it serves? |
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| 02:06.09 | k-man | by default in the debian package that is |
| 02:06.14 | max_sharpe | gnarface what you could do if you can't find one like that is find a printer/scanner/ combo and find one that can take usbflash drives directly |
| 02:06.30 | nevyn | so builtin mic's are usually analog connected to the HDA-audio card |
| 02:06.53 | max_sharpe | i have one and i didnt even bother hooking it up to my laptop just scan right into the usb drive annd when done hook the usb drive to your pc |
| 02:07.08 | gnarface | max_sharpe: that's an insightful suggestion but my end goal is to actually be able to scan in things i've printed and written on, not print out things i've scanned. |
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| 02:07.45 | gnarface | max_sharpe: i *literally* just need a scanner so i can email shit instead of having to fx it |
| 02:07.48 | gnarface | er, fax it |
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| 02:08.12 | langkid1 | what's the package name for BIND? |
| 02:08.14 | gnarface | is migrating from paper |
| 02:08.20 | gnarface | langkid1: bind9 |
| 02:08.23 | langkid1 | thanks |
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| 02:09.50 | daiyechu | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.53 | max_sharpe | haha gnarface |
| 02:10.20 | max_sharpe | no i mean use it to scan only |
| 02:10.33 | max_sharpe | does anyone still make stand alone scanners? |
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| 02:10.43 | gnarface | max_sharpe: oh i see, and then save to usb |
| 02:10.49 | max_sharpe | yeah |
| 02:10.55 | max_sharpe | that way no driver problems or anything |
| 02:11.06 | max_sharpe | as long as your computer has usb your good |
| 02:11.13 | max_sharpe | Which is practically everything |
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| 02:12.40 | max_sharpe | Okay i have a general question. |
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| 02:12.49 | max_sharpe | Im trying to install a module so I can compile it. |
| 02:12.50 | dvs | 42 |
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| 02:13.11 | max_sharpe | there is no precompiled binary for the driver for my network card |
| 02:13.16 | max_sharpe | im having problems building it |
| 02:13.39 | max_sharpe | but in the webpage with the directions its showing me two characters and im not sure if they are important are not. |
| 02:13.43 | max_sharpe | # sign |
| 02:13.47 | max_sharpe | and $ sign |
| 02:13.59 | gnarface | max_sharpe: did you try module-assistant yet? |
| 02:14.13 | max_sharpe | im using that. |
| 02:14.19 | max_sharpe | but when i get that far |
| 02:14.22 | kmklz | I'm having trouble using sudo, I added myself to the sudo group, but it still complains about not being in the sudoer file; any suggestions? |
| 02:14.22 | max_sharpe | its error is |
| 02:14.30 | max_sharpe | what is module foo |
| 02:14.46 | max_sharpe | im doing everything as root |
| 02:14.56 | max_sharpe | im probably typing or doing something wrong |
| 02:14.57 | nevyn | bfig: so you need to configure the alsa bit correctly to start with. whcih means settingthe capture source to the internal mic |
| 02:15.05 | bfig | asound -l <- card 1, subdevices 0/1 |
| 02:15.10 | nevyn | kmklz: did you logout and login again |
| 02:15.18 | gnarface | max_sharpe: dude that's the prompt in their example commands. don't copy that in |
| 02:15.28 | max_sharpe | okay so dont do those |
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| 02:15.37 | max_sharpe | but why do they use both? |
| 02:15.42 | max_sharpe | is that supposed to mean something? |
| 02:15.46 | civillian | kmklz: take yourself out of the group and use visudo command to edit the file |
| 02:16.03 | kmklz | civillian: I used visudo as root |
| 02:16.24 | civillian | kmklz: so what did you mean you added yourself to the sudo group, that sounds wrong |
| 02:16.26 | gnarface | max_sharpe: no not really. there have been different defaults over the years. yours probably looks something like root@localhost:~$ but on say, openbsd it would be different |
| 02:16.55 | kmklz | civillian: normally I would add myself to wheel, but in debian it's sudo: %sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL |
| 02:16.56 | max_sharpe | actaully it just saw my machines name is all. |
| 02:17.11 | nevyn | kmklz: did you logout and login again? |
| 02:17.24 | kmklz | nevyn: i'll try logging out completely |
| 02:17.25 | kmklz | thnaks |
| 02:17.33 | gnarface | max_sharpe: its user configurable. |
| 02:17.34 | civillian | .... |
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| 02:17.39 | max_sharpe | oh |
| 02:17.41 | max_sharpe | okay |
| 02:17.48 | nevyn | kmklz: groups are only evaluated at login |
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| 02:17.51 | max_sharpe | hmm |
| 02:17.54 | max_sharpe | where would i look for that . |
| 02:17.56 | buntunub | wow i just inserted user ALL=ALL(ALL) |
| 02:18.04 | buntunub | works great for me |
| 02:18.05 | gnarface | max_sharpe: read up on the PS1 shell environment variable |
| 02:18.09 | max_sharpe | ok |
| 02:18.12 | max_sharpe | thanks ill look into it. |
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| 02:23.36 | rue_house | <-- coder seeking sponsor? |
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| 02:26.42 | teratoma | i feel like installing testing and gnome3 on my laptop. i like pain |
| 02:27.03 | max_sharpe | lol |
| 02:27.09 | max_sharpe | why is gnome that bad? |
| 02:27.23 | max_sharpe | yay its building |
| 02:27.29 | teratoma | also i have i915 intel, so i bet ill get hit with the nutty kernel bug in the 3.* series that makes everything slow |
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| 02:31.37 | kmklz | I just install debian on my laptop and had to load the iwlwifi firmware to connet to the internet, this caused the wireless interface to be brought up automatically using auto wlan0, however I would like to use network manager instead; wifi is disabled in networkmanager though, even when i comment out auto wlan0 in the interfaces file; how can i use networkmanager to connect? |
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| 02:32.17 | abrotman | kmklz: what's in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 02:32.37 | dvs | kmklz: comment out all references to wlan0 |
| 02:32.49 | kmklz | currently: auto wlan0 iface wlan0 inet dhcp and my essid and pass |
| 02:33.33 | kmklz | dvs: will that cause networkmanager wireless settings to become enabled or do I need to configure that as well? |
| 02:33.49 | abrotman | kmklz: yes it will |
| 02:33.58 | kmklz | abrotman: k thanks |
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| 02:45.48 | langkid1 | what is anacron, and what does it do? |
| 02:46.10 | dvs | !anacron |
| 02:46.10 | dpkg | somebody said anacron was a <cron>-like program that runs jobs that cron would have skipped if the system was shutdown. http://anacron.sf.net/ |
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| 02:47.46 | Excellonet | Excello.net is looking for a web developer to join its staff. All our resources are the ones our sponsors give us, so all that is available currently are gaming gadgets from our partners Sparkle, ZOWIE and Bigfoot Networks. Is it You? |
| 02:48.09 | langkid1 | ._. |
| 02:48.19 | dvs | ... |
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| 02:49.10 | langkid1 | last time I checked this wasn't a employee search channel :) |
| 02:49.36 | yagoo | langkid1, you're a scriptkiddie |
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| 02:49.44 | langkid1 | I know |
| 02:49.50 | langkid1 | you don't have to remind me :) |
| 02:50.25 | rue_house | so?... coder seeking sponsor? |
| 02:50.49 | rue_house | I honestly dont know, with the process in place, how ANY peice of software every becomes a debian package |
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| 02:51.05 | yagoo | kmklz, you use nmcli and nm-tools commands. |
| 02:51.30 | yagoo | rue_house, it's starts with something called the internet |
| 02:51.50 | kmklz | yagoo: thanks, I'll check'em out |
| 02:51.52 | dvs | the Internets? |
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| 02:52.12 | rue_house | yagoo, hey! I have that! |
| 02:52.20 | TashBear | woohoo you have it |
| 02:52.25 | rue_house | whats next |
| 02:52.35 | yagoo | rue_house, next it comes with rtfm. |
| 02:52.57 | yagoo | rue_house, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rtfm |
| 02:53.03 | yagoo | sleeps |
| 02:53.41 | rue_house | the manual says that I have to fill out a form, mail it somewhere wait 3 weeks, find another sponsor, physically go meeet them in a coffeeshop, get a key from them, fill out another form, apply for soemthing, and then start a process much like that one again |
| 02:54.20 | rue_house | like I said, I dont know how ANYTHING becomes a debain package with the system thats in place |
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| 02:55.04 | rue_house | I'm a coder, I have a utility that I think others would find usefull and it'd be nice to have it available int eh debian repository |
| 02:55.39 | rue_house | I dont have time ot travel the world and fill out 4' of paperwork and wait months for email confirmations |
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| 02:56.12 | rue_house | I just wront a damn utility, thats all, it may change the world, I dont care |
| 02:57.04 | babilen | rue_house: So package it, submit an RFS to the mentors mailing list and wait for it to sponsored. (/msg dpkg rfs) + links in http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/01/msg00127.html |
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| 02:58.28 | abrotman | thought babilen was going to bed ... |
| 02:58.43 | babilen | I like to give that impression :) |
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| 03:01.38 | Na_Klar | requesting http://localhost on a debian machine: Will debian route this request through the network (hardware) or will it pass it through directly? |
| 03:01.48 | bmomjian | Why does this match grep? echo '.Ab' | grep '\.[A-Z][A-Z]*$' |
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| 03:02.37 | gnarface | bmomjian: is that some sort of trick question or turing test? |
| 03:02.48 | abrotman | bmomjian: it doesn't ? |
| 03:03.12 | abrotman | bmomjian: what is your shell? and which OS is this? |
| 03:03.14 | bmomjian | I am confused why it is matching lower-case characters |
| 03:03.17 | bmomjian | Debian Squeeze |
| 03:03.20 | bmomjian | 6.02 |
| 03:03.22 | bmomjian | shell is bash |
| 03:03.28 | abrotman | bmomjian: it doesn't on my wheezy box with bash |
| 03:03.42 | bmomjian | I am pretty surprised myself |
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| 03:04.25 | abrotman | is grep a symlink to egrep maybe? |
| 03:04.42 | bmomjian | it is even weirder: http://momjian.us/tmp/1.txt |
| 03:05.07 | bmomjian | .Aa doesn't match, but .Ab does |
| 03:05.26 | bmomjian | 'type' says grep is /bin/grep |
| 03:05.46 | abrotman | does 'Ac' ? |
| 03:06.01 | bmomjian | yes, .Ac matches |
| 03:06.39 | gnarface | uh |
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| 03:06.50 | gnarface | o_O |
| 03:06.52 | gnarface | can reproduce |
| 03:07.02 | abrotman | on squeeze? |
| 03:07.04 | gnarface | yep |
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| 03:07.14 | bmomjian | if I do export LC_ALL=C, I get the expected behavior |
| 03:07.28 | bmomjian | but I don't see any LC environment variables set |
| 03:07.30 | abrotman | UTF perhaps cuasing problems ? |
| 03:07.36 | bmomjian | how is my system even running with such weird behavior |
| 03:07.39 | gnarface | ugh |
| 03:07.47 | gnarface | must be improper unicode handling in grep |
| 03:08.00 | gnarface | that makes me sad |
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| 03:08.32 | bmomjian | how can this be; I have only been on the OS for a few weeks; it was released like 8 months ago |
| 03:08.46 | abrotman | almost a year ago now |
| 03:09.05 | abrotman | almost exactly 11 mponths |
| 03:09.06 | bmomjian | without the leading period, grep seems to work |
| 03:09.07 | gnarface | not doing it for me on sid |
| 03:09.18 | abrotman | checks the changelog |
| 03:09.27 | bmomjian | I was testing for an extension that was all upper-case, so I checked for '\.[A-Z][A-Z]*$' |
| 03:09.30 | bmomjian | it was an optimization |
| 03:09.53 | abrotman | not [:upper:] or whatever it is ? |
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| 03:10.03 | jordanm | grepping filenames? |
| 03:10.20 | bmomjian | yes, grepping filenames to filter out only the uppercase extensions |
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| 03:11.02 | jordanm | bmomjian: how are you generating the list of filenames to grep? |
| 03:11.23 | bmomjian | with find |
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| 03:11.39 | jordanm | bmomjian: why not use find -regex? |
| 03:11.45 | bmomjian | I thought about that idea |
| 03:11.54 | Na_Klar | Requesting my own IP on may machine (not 127.0.0.1): Will this request be handled by the loopback interface or will it go out to the network and come back? |
| 03:12.01 | bmomjian | I thought grep would be simpler. :-( |
| 03:12.04 | jordanm | bmomjian: you can even do -regetype posix-egrep |
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| 03:12.41 | bmomjian | so do I need to report this grep bug? |
| 03:12.58 | abrotman | bmomjian: would [:upper:] not work ? |
| 03:12.58 | jordanm | bmomjian: no, because its already fixed in newer versions |
| 03:13.21 | abrotman | bmomjian: do you need to ? no .. could you? sure .. just for documentation sake |
| 03:13.25 | gnarface | Na_Klar: uh, i think you actually have to have *defined* the loopback interface (so it shows up in ifconfig -a) but yes, it should be handled locally or firewalls wouldn't be able to work , would they? |
| 03:13.42 | jbwiv__ | guys, I'm on debian 6 and am trying to change limits.conf. I have "* soft nofile 5000" and "* hard nofile 5000" in /etc/security/limits.conf, but no matter what I do, ulimit still tells me it's set to 1024. any ideas what I'm doing wrong? |
| 03:13.59 | bmomjian | well, what version is it fixed in? |
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| 03:14.34 | bmomjian | I am on 6.0.3 |
| 03:14.44 | bmomjian | is it fixed in 6,0.4? |
| 03:15.11 | Na_Klar | gnarface, lo is defined as local loop. But I do not get why firewalls couldn't work if requesting my (public) IP on my machine is put through the network hardware and back .. |
| 03:15.12 | jordanm | bmomjian: no, doesn't work on my squeeze, only on my sid box |
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| 03:15.34 | jordanm | bmomjian: generally, you shouldn't be grepping filenames |
| 03:15.50 | jordanm | jbwiv__: did you relog? |
| 03:16.07 | bmomjian | yikes, having a broken grep does not give me a good feeling |
| 03:16.20 | jbwiv__ | jordanm, I've created a new shell. (sudo su -). but haven't relogged completely |
| 03:16.44 | jbwiv__ | but from what I have read, this should effect new processes created as root (unless I've misunderstood) |
| 03:17.03 | jordanm | jbwiv__: su - creates a login shell |
| 03:17.30 | jbwiv__ | jordanm, yes, which should be the same as logging out/back in correct? |
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| 03:17.51 | gnarface | Na_Klar: sorry i read your question wrong. i thought you were requesting 127.0.0.1 |
| 03:18.30 | bmomjian | well, in this case I am grepping file names, but I use grep a lot for other things and it is hard to say don't test for leading periods |
| 03:19.00 | Na_Klar | gnarface, yeah as I could find out for now 127.0.0.1 would be handled by the loopback (so internally) .. but I am not sure for the case I request my own public iP instead |
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| 03:19.27 | abrotman | bmomjian: [:upper:] doesn't work ? |
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| 03:20.07 | bmomjian | let me try |
| 03:21.16 | bmomjian | this does not match: echo '.AA' | grep '\.[:upper:][:upper:]*$' |
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| 03:21.23 | bmomjian | is that right? I don't think so |
| 03:21.29 | jordanm | jbwiv__: perhaps, but the su and bash could be inherriting ulimit from the parent shell |
| 03:21.44 | jbwiv__ | jordanm, found it. according to this bug thread (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=597225), wildcards in /etc/security/limits.conf won't apply to root. you have to specify root directly. changing that worked |
| 03:21.52 | jbwiv__ | jordanm, thanks for your help |
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| 03:23.30 | jordanm | jbwiv__: I tested using root... |
| 03:23.59 | jbwiv__ | jordanm, after specifying root in limits.conf, it's working fine |
| 03:24.07 | jordanm | jbwiv__: The ulimit utility sets or reports the file-size writing limit imposed on files written by the shell and its child processes |
| 03:24.16 | abrotman | bmomjian: that doesn't seem right |
| 03:24.20 | jordanm | jbwiv__: according to the manpage, ulimit does apply to children |
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| 03:24.51 | jordanm | oh wait, that manpage is for the wrong OS :\ |
| 03:24.56 | abrotman | bmomjian: hold on .. i'm testing on wheezy |
| 03:25.08 | bmomjian | this doesn't match, even without a leading period: echo 'AA' | grep '[:upper:][:upper:]*$' |
| 03:25.19 | abrotman | bmomjian: try just once ? |
| 03:26.08 | bmomjian | this returns nothing: echo 'AA' | grep '[:upper:]' |
| 03:26.12 | bmomjian | also seems wrong |
| 03:26.17 | jordanm | bmomjian: its [[:upper:]] |
| 03:26.24 | jordanm | missing a [ ] |
| 03:26.43 | bmomjian | oh, sorry |
| 03:26.43 | abrotman | it should error? |
| 03:26.46 | abrotman | oh .. he's quoting it |
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| 03:27.27 | bmomjian | ok, that is fine then, :upper: |
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| 03:28.12 | jordanm | bmomjian: actually, your original works using PCRE (-P) |
| 03:28.29 | bmomjian | yes, this matches: echo '\.AB' | grep '\.[[:upper:]][[:upper:]]*$', and doesn't match for lower case |
| 03:28.35 | bmomjian | what is PCRE? |
| 03:28.40 | abrotman | perl compatible |
| 03:28.55 | TashBear | fail |
| 03:29.03 | bmomjian | ok, so adding perl compabible broke it somehow |
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| 03:29.08 | bmomjian | I will mention that in my bug report |
| 03:29.21 | jordanm | no.. it works properly in perl mode |
| 03:29.45 | jordanm | not in POSIX or ERE |
| 03:30.32 | bmomjian | ok |
| 03:31.30 | Na_Klar | gnarface: just btw, requesting the public IP is handled by lo also ... *sigh* hm, do you - by accident - know of a way how I can request myself while using my eth instead of lo? |
| 03:31.46 | bmomjian | ok, I will submit the bug report now |
| 03:31.57 | hochron | why aren't my video codec working? apt-cache show w32codecs says it will decode divx 3.... |
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| 03:32.32 | bmomjian | yikes, it doesn't need a leading period to fail: |
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| 03:32.41 | bmomjian | echo 'Ab' | grep '[A-Z][A-Z]*$' returns "Ab" |
| 03:32.59 | abrotman | so it's the \. ? |
| 03:33.09 | abrotman | oh .. someone make a slashdot joke! |
| 03:33.33 | bmomjian | no, it isn't |
| 03:33.44 | bmomjian | it fails with no leading period |
| 03:33.59 | jordanm | bmomjian: its odd because if you add -o, it doesn't return a match |
| 03:34.12 | abrotman | what if you only do a single A-Z ? |
| 03:34.19 | jordanm | bmomjian: and --color does not highlight a match. so its definately a bug |
| 03:34.20 | abrotman | that should match, right? |
| 03:34.27 | hochron | I followed the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs |
| 03:34.40 | jordanm | find . -regextype posix-egrep -regex '.*\.[A-Z][A-Z]*$' - does the right thing |
| 03:34.47 | bmomjian | that should not match because 'b' is not upper-case |
| 03:34.50 | neoice | anyone have experience getting audio over HDMI to work on debian? |
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| 03:36.58 | bmomjian | yes, I have the find working now, but I am concerned about other users; I have many shell scripts |
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| 03:37.41 | jordanm | bmomjian: http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/index.php?31389 |
| 03:38.01 | hochron | anyone want to help me with codec issues? |
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| 03:39.32 | jordanm | bmomjian: http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/index.php?18633 |
| 03:39.45 | jordanm | bmomjian: looks like similar things have been reported, and locale is blamed |
| 03:40.14 | bmomjian | OK, I read that, yes |
| 03:40.24 | bmomjian | so, it is only ranges like a-z? |
| 03:40.30 | bmomjian | I might be able to find those |
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| 03:43.56 | bmomjian | yikes, that bug report is over a year old! |
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| 03:44.09 | Na_Klar | bmomjian, jordanm, same on my machine grep [A-Z][A-Z] matches "Ab" .. version 6.0.3 |
| 03:44.27 | abrotman | bmomjian: squeeze is almost a year old |
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| 03:45.46 | jordanm | t does, but you can simply export LC_COLLATE and LC_CTYPE with a value of "POSIX" in your .bashrc (as well as at the top of shell scripts where you care about this behavior) to override it. - this does actually fix it |
| 03:46.44 | bmomjian | yes, I will consider that; I was hoping to avoid dealing with encodings at all, but it seems I am dragged into it and have to set it |
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| 03:46.51 | bmomjian | anyway, at least it allowed me to find the bu |
| 03:46.52 | bmomjian | bug |
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| 03:58.41 | bmomjian | I think I will just switch to use [[:upper:]] in all my scripts; that works, and is clearer |
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| 03:59.42 | Guest69397 | man deb/dpkg is so fragile |
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| 03:59.50 | bmomjian | thanks for the confirmation folks; I was very confused to see such a simple case fail |
| 03:59.58 | bmomjian | I needed confirmation from the group on this one |
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| 04:00.15 | abrotman | bmomjian: you did note that it is fixed in wheezy+ ? |
| 04:00.29 | abrotman | Guest69397: not really .. you have to try hard to break it badly |
| 04:00.52 | abrotman | (assuming you're using Debian) |
| 04:00.52 | Guest69397 | it is broken once again... I am always told I did something wrong and after 30-40 mins, once I can finally demonstrate there was indeed a bug I spend two-three weeks fixing it |
| 04:01.12 | Guest69397 | aptitude install nvidia ? |
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| 04:01.35 | hochron | anyone else having trouble playing mpg's? or is my system broke?? |
| 04:01.47 | bmomjian | I said it was fixed in sid |
| 04:01.50 | bmomjian | someone said that |
| 04:01.51 | Guest69397 | I have nothing against it but it could be more resilient to errors, either bugs, pacager, or whatever :s |
| 04:01.55 | bmomjian | not sure what sid is |
| 04:01.56 | abrotman | Guest69397: i don't support/condone/use nvidia .. so i can't answer that |
| 04:02.02 | abrotman | !releases |
| 04:02.02 | dpkg | See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. See <release history> or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases for prior releases. Ask me about <stable>, <testing>, <unstable> and <introduction>. |
| 04:02.11 | abrotman | bmomjian: that URl might help explain |
| 04:02.16 | abrotman | well, one of them |
| 04:02.30 | Na_Klar | hochron, which codec do you use exactly? mpg is just kind of a container |
| 04:02.44 | bmomjian | oh, unstable, OK |
| 04:02.56 | Guest69397 | abrotman: I understand you, yes, what I am saying is that it is a helll to fix a broken system and so easy to break it :( |
| 04:02.58 | abrotman | it's also fixed in testing .. but no big deal, they'll figure that out |
| 04:03.12 | abrotman | Guest69397: it's not easy to break it .. you haven't given us any useful information |
| 04:03.17 | hochron | any of them they wont work Na_Klar |
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| 04:03.49 | hochron | Na_Klar, I followed the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs |
| 04:03.56 | Guest69397 | you know apt-get install foo .... error processing package foo2.... then you cant install/uinstall anything |
| 04:04.03 | hochron | they should work |
| 04:04.13 | abrotman | Guest69397: still not useful information |
| 04:04.16 | Guest69397 | and you often end up messing with post install scripts |
| 04:04.21 | bmomjian | Why is this returning files that start with lower-case letters? ls -d [A-Z]* Is the problem larger than grep? |
| 04:04.45 | Guest69397 | aptutude install foo = broken system, is enough info ;) |
| 04:04.56 | hochron | mpeg-1 divx avis everything |
| 04:05.02 | abrotman | no, it's not .. i was willing to help, but you're intentionally being difficult, have fun |
| 04:05.06 | Guest69397 | at least to tell what I am talking about |
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| 04:05.23 | Guest69397 | I am not seeking for help.... |
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| 04:05.34 | abrotman | this isn't the correct channel for whining |
| 04:05.34 | Na_Klar | hochron, but you can play free codecs like ogg? |
| 04:05.56 | hochron | I dont have a test fille Na_Klar |
| 04:06.17 | joeko | http://pastebin.com/EGhgJzj5 I am trying to get preseed to automatically wipe the existing drive contents |
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| 04:06.52 | Guest69397 | I dont really feel like going trough that once again, all I want to say is this, I like Debian, and ever since I first started with Linux using Debian it has been my fav, but I wish dpkg was not so freaking punky |
| 04:07.11 | Guest69397 | and hope somebody makes it a little bit more resilient |
| 04:07.12 | Na_Klar | hochron, would be interessting for your debugging process to find out if only restricted codecs are affected ... |
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| 04:07.47 | Guest69397 | it feels like a castle of deck cards |
| 04:08.29 | simonlnu | Guest69397: how about you tell us the problem instead of going on a monologue? |
| 04:08.42 | hochron | hmmm, is ogg only audio? i haven'tr installed alsaplayer and havent even tried audio |
| 04:09.05 | Guest69397 | simonlnu: did, and again, I am just expressing, which afaik is valid as well |
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| 04:09.25 | Guest69397 | I know how to fix it but dont want to go trough it |
| 04:09.27 | simonlnu | i wasn't here when you did. i'll scroll up. |
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| 04:09.37 | hochron | it wont play ogg's from http://www.vorbis.com/music/Lumme-Badloop.ogg Na_Klar |
| 04:09.40 | Guest69397 | anyway... dicci |
| 04:10.01 | Guest69397 | hochron: ogg can be a container for video too |
| 04:10.13 | hochron | hmmm, ok |
| 04:10.14 | Guest69397 | although convention dictates that it should be ogm instead |
| 04:10.34 | simonlnu | Guest69397: nope, i don't see what the real issue is. so how about you tell us? |
| 04:10.36 | Guest69397 | but some times they are still with the .ogg extension |
| 04:10.49 | Na_Klar | hochron, so you cannot play anything. Most likely your issue is not related to codecs but to something general in regard to multimedia delivery |
| 04:10.59 | Guest69397 | simonlnu: how about you stop taunting me? :) |
| 04:11.09 | suomynonA | Hello, I don't want to sound paranoid but why is the content of this network (especially this channel) being logged by bots and then available for everyone in Google? |
| 04:11.21 | joeko | Where can i view the debian source code online |
| 04:11.34 | Guest69397 | suomynonA: it is a public chat |
| 04:11.40 | hochron | hmmm, ok, what do I do? never had this problem |
| 04:11.42 | simonlnu | Guest69397: i'm not, i'm trying to get you to see that just vaguely stating the problem is not going to get you - or us - any satisfaction. |
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| 04:11.52 | Guest69397 | joeko: "debian code" |
| 04:11.59 | JoeK | . |
| 04:12.01 | Na_Klar | suomynonA, it is not the right place to plan your conspiracy, indeed :P |
| 04:12.07 | Guest69397 | joeko: "debian" is made up f plenty of pieces |
| 04:12.20 | joeko | i am wanting the debian-installer |
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| 04:12.40 | suomynonA | Guest69397, I know it is a public chat, it could help many people on the internet if they're searching something very specific (for example). |
| 04:13.03 | simonlnu | Guest69397: by us, i mean people who are trying to help you solve this. |
| 04:13.04 | suomynonA | Na_Klar, good joke but no, I'm not planning any conspiracy at all. |
| 04:13.55 | Na_Klar | i would say that too now .. |
| 04:14.21 | simonlnu | can always put him on ignore and let him rant about whatever, too |
| 04:15.38 | Guest69397 | simonlnu: Only if you read it without zealotry: apt-get install foo.... script for package foo failed. This end up with a broken system that needs manual repair and to manually edit scripts in order to get back your system. yes somebody made a mistake, a bug or maybe the user did something wrong, but this happens somewhat often and it is a pain in the butt. Not asking for help since I've got to know what to do by now, All I am saying here is that |
| 04:15.39 | Guest69397 | dpkg lacks of good resilience and recovery. |
| 04:15.40 | dpkg | Guest69397: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 04:16.01 | Guest69397 | and I wont talk more on the subject cause I dont want it to be taken as FUD |
| 04:16.02 | Na_Klar | lol |
| 04:16.05 | Guest69397 | it is not |
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| 04:16.26 | simonlnu | Guest69397: seriously, put up or shut up. |
| 04:16.35 | simonlnu | *plonk* |
| 04:16.49 | Guest69397 | simonlnu: troll |
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| 04:17.55 | hochron | Na_Klar, Should I just reinstall it, I had 3 days of wrk getting on the internet... |
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| 04:18.18 | hochron | wireless card |
| 04:18.33 | simonlnu | hochron: my first time it took me a bit more than a week, so don't despair ;) |
| 04:18.35 | nickgaw | Hi, What values should I change to allow the unattended-upgrades script to download the same updates it normally downloads for stable but for testing instead and change the frequency of checks should I wish to do so? |
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| 04:18.36 | Na_Klar | hochron, I cannot suggest you anything, since I got way too less information. |
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| 04:20.14 | judgen | howdy, does centerim work for any of you? |
| 04:20.22 | judgen | mine crashes after trying to log into msn |
| 04:21.33 | simonlnu | nickgaw: start with dpkg-reconfigure unattended-upgrades |
| 04:21.47 | simonlnu | then you can configure it further |
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| 04:23.37 | nickgaw | the unattended-upgrades package is already set to yes what other files should I change as there are lots of values that reference the stable release like 50-unattended-upgrades? |
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| 04:24.29 | suomynonA | Now, every single sentence you guys just "said" is going to be on the internet for a long time and you cannot do anything about it. It is not some kind a of secret for sure but... not everyone here wants to be indexed by the search engines. |
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| 04:24.53 | simonlnu | nickgaw: it's meant for stable, as you can see, so you'll need to do a bit of hacking |
| 04:24.59 | suomynonA | I am not trolling or anything, to be honest me and a few of my friends are "afraid" to type anything in public channels like this one -- debian, c, perl, php, etc. (don't get me wrong -- we are a big Debian fans and users for a long time)... |
| 04:25.22 | simonlnu | suomynonA: ok, and this is off-topic for here. it's a support channel. |
| 04:25.35 | nickgaw | should I just change all of the values that reference stable to testing? |
| 04:26.00 | simonlnu | nickgaw: stable to testing and squeeze to wheezy |
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| 04:26.05 | Guest69397 | suomynonA: you are talking to deaf ears... |
| 04:26.27 | nickgaw | you would think that the packages in testing would reference testing then when it was packaged for the next stable release changed to the stable release? |
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| 04:27.06 | simonlnu | nickgaw: well, testing is going to be the next release. as for that package, it's targeted for stable. |
| 04:27.08 | blackshirt | how can we list of essential packages throught apt/aptitude ? |
| 04:27.12 | suomynonA | simonlnu, I'm sorry for the off-topic. I just wanted to say "Think about your privacy.". It's not fair for those who don't want to be "googled". |
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| 04:27.43 | suomynonA | Guest69397, that was all I had to say. |
| 04:27.44 | simonlnu | suomynonA: yes, and by network policy if a channel is logged, it's supposed to be in the /topic, which it is. |
| 04:28.49 | Guest69397 | suomynonA: and I somewhat agree with you... but only because of the indexing part |
| 04:28.55 | gnarface | suomynonA: omg my privacy!? i never thought of that before. maybe i shouldn't have used my real name... |
| 04:29.24 | simonlnu | !essential |
| 04:29.24 | dpkg | Packages that are assumed to be available on your machine and as such are not included in the list of dependencies for packages. Essential packages must be usable at all times even when packages are unconfigured. See <policy> section 3.8 for details; list them with "aptitude search ~E" (see <aptitude search>). |
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| 04:29.28 | simonlnu | blackshirt: ^^^ |
| 04:30.00 | gnarface | date |
| 04:30.05 | gnarface | woops, wrong term |
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| 04:30.23 | simonlnu | you're not my type man |
| 04:30.42 | gnarface | :-p |
| 04:30.47 | simonlnu | hehe |
| 04:31.14 | Guest69397 | privacy died with facebook anyway |
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| 04:31.46 | un214 | Guest69397 you know that's political bait |
| 04:32.09 | Guest69397 | no it isnt |
| 04:32.16 | Guest69397 | but whatever |
| 04:32.29 | Guest69397 | I have an OS to reinstall |
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| 04:33.39 | nickgaw | ok I changed everything and ran unattended-upgrades -d and it looked like it ran with no errors but how can I find out what cron script calls that script and at what time of the day? |
| 04:33.54 | dvs | because install scripts dont work? |
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| 04:34.31 | simonlnu | nickgaw: check out stuff in /etc/cron* (there's a few dirs there ;) |
| 04:34.50 | blackshirt | !important |
| 04:34.50 | dpkg | somebody said important was to read http://grc.com/dos/grcdos.htm |
| 04:35.18 | simonlnu | wth |
| 04:35.23 | simonlnu | hm |
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| 04:36.18 | blackshirt | simonlu: thanks, what differences with important packages ? |
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| 04:36.41 | suomynonA | simonlnu, I was about to leave but... this channel policy pushes away many people who want to discuss this or that right *here* because they don't want to be logged like they are in some kind of "Big brother"... |
| 04:36.48 | simonlnu | ,info coreutils |
| 04:36.50 | judd | Package coreutils (utils, required) in squeeze/i386: GNU core utilities. Version: 8.5-1; Size: 4500.4k; Installed: 12188k; Homepage: http://gnu.org/software/coreutils; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/coreutils |
| 04:36.54 | suomynonA | I have nothing against channel logging, please, don't get me wrong, but why do you need to publish all these logs in Google? It's just not fair, it is not! |
| 04:37.56 | simonlnu | blackshirt: i don't recall exactly, but it's similar to required, but less so. it's not "essential" to a running system, but they will tend to be insalled on the vast majority of systems |
| 04:38.09 | judgen | huh, ubuntu repos for wine works perfectly fine for SID, i did not know that, |
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| 04:38.37 | blackshirt | simonlu; how to list them with aptitude ? |
| 04:38.46 | simonlnu | suomynonA: you're the only one that's brought it up in months. now please stop, and join #debian-offtopic if you want to continue discussing it |
| 04:38.48 | gnarface | suomynonA: dude just shut up. if you have a problem with being told you're wrong that's all on you. if you have a problem with being made an ass of in public, then you should know you're doing it again. |
| 04:39.14 | simonlnu | blackshirt: similarly to the 'essential', but different args |
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| 04:40.12 | blackshirt | simonlu: $ aptitude search ~I ? |
| 04:40.16 | simonlnu | blackshirt: there's the aptitude manual online or installable if you like |
| 04:40.52 | simonlnu | no, that doesn't work ;). |
| 04:41.12 | blackshirt | simonlu: i'm still pretty newbie :( |
| 04:41.25 | simonlnu | “Search Patterns” in the aptitude reference manual |
| 04:41.39 | simonlnu | aptitude-doc-en (or whatever language you want) |
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| 04:43.09 | bambanx | how in hell i can extract a .zip in console? |
| 04:43.13 | simonlnu | there's -fr -ja -cs -fi -es -cs and -en |
| 04:43.23 | blackshirt | simonlu: $ aptitude search ~pimportant |
| 04:43.25 | blackshirt | ? |
| 04:43.25 | simonlnu | bambanx: um, with unzip |
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| 04:43.54 | bambanx | unzip -d myfile.zip ? |
| 04:43.54 | suomynonA | simonlnu, gnarface, please guys, don't be rude. I am not. I'm not going to discuss it here any time soon but, please don't tell you don't care about security and privacy. Why there are so many people using SSL anyways? I don't need an answer. Thank you. Wish you all the best. |
| 04:43.56 | simonlnu | yup |
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| 04:44.16 | simonlnu | to both bambanx and blackshirt |
| 04:44.41 | simonlnu | suomynonA: i wasn't being rude to you, except for right now. |
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| 04:44.45 | simonlnu | *plonk* |
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| 04:45.08 | bambanx | simonlnu, it take a lot of time men |
| 04:45.21 | simonlnu | bambanx: er, sorry, just unzip, no -d |
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| 04:46.19 | bambanx | damn |
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| 04:47.01 | bambanx | thanks simonlnu |
| 04:47.01 | nickgaw | Hi, with the epic4 irc client how can I change that status line that changes every minute that displays the time the channel and the message type /help for help to nothing at all so it is blank? |
| 04:47.07 | simonlnu | bambanx: np |
| 04:47.13 | bambanx | simonlnu, you are like a angel |
| 04:47.20 | simonlnu | nah |
| 04:47.58 | simonlnu | nickgaw: i haven't used that since 2002. maybe check out their channel? |
| 04:48.04 | simonlnu | !epic4 |
| 04:48.05 | dpkg | somebody said epic4 was an <IRC> client based on ircII. http://www.epicsol.org/ |
| 04:48.08 | simonlnu | !epic |
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| 04:48.33 | AzMoo | Hey guys, I'm trying to install from a USB stick onto a Dell R210 server. I created the USB stick using unetbootin. When I boot it tells me I need extra firmware for my network card. I found the .deb I need (bnx2-mips-09-5.0.0.j3.fw) but if I put it on the USB stick it won't detect it. Where can I put it? |
| 04:49.14 | dvs | AzMoo: create a firmware directory and put the files in there. |
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| 04:49.29 | AzMoo | dvs: awesome, thanks. |
| 04:49.33 | dvs | np |
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| 04:50.00 | nickgaw | I looked for a channel called #epic but it is inactive should I try #epic4? the reason I am wanting to blank out the status line is I am totally blind and I have to hear that same line over and over which gets rather annoying. |
| 04:50.03 | simonlnu | that's nice and simple |
| 04:50.26 | AzMoo | dvs: That's just in the root of the usb stick, right? |
| 04:50.28 | simonlnu | oh yeh, i can imagine that driving one nuts |
| 04:50.36 | dvs | AzMoo: yes |
| 04:50.48 | bambanx | join #vim |
| 04:50.48 | simonlnu | nickgaw: yeh try #epic4, or their web site (if it's still there) |
| 04:50.49 | nickgaw | do you think there is a way to turn it off? |
| 04:51.11 | simonlnu | i'd check their docs first, they might have a way |
| 04:51.27 | nickgaw | ok I will do that then |
| 04:51.34 | simonlnu | good luck |
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| 04:53.14 | AzMoo | dvs: yep, that did it, thanks :) |
| 04:53.25 | dvs | np |
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| 04:59.32 | hotwings | is there any way to identify what type of device a mountpoint is mounted to? for example, i need to know if /dev/sda is a harddrive, usb stick, sd* card, etc |
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| 05:01.28 | simonlnu | file |
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| 05:03.56 | somiaj | you could check out the links in /dev/disk/by-foo (various possibilities) |
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| 05:07.44 | hotwings | ok thanks, will check into that |
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| 05:09.37 | bambanx | hello babilen |
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| 05:12.11 | Capso | My debian box fails to boot after I woke it up from hibernation on an encrypted disk. Its /boot/initrd.img-... file is empty; I think that might be it. How can I rebuild the ramdisk? |
| 05:13.01 | Capso | I'm currently in the LiveCD, but my install itself was using the 3.1.0-1-amd64 kernel |
| 05:13.10 | Capso | the LiveCD uses 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 05:13.11 | Capso | :-( |
| 05:13.17 | Capso | any way to recover initrd.img? |
| 05:13.27 | dvs | Capso: update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.32-5 |
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| 05:14.39 | Capso | dvs: the debian livecd doesn't have an update-initramfs command |
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| 05:14.48 | Capso | dvs: it does have mkinitramfs though |
| 05:15.10 | Capso | dvs: also, are you sure about `-k 2.6.32-5'? as I explained, my original Debian install's kernel is 3.1.0 |
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| 05:15.47 | Capso | oh, it does have update-initramfs |
| 05:16.09 | Capso | dvs: OK, it does have update-initramfs, but running it says: "I: update-initramfs is disabled (live system is running on read-only media)" |
| 05:16.14 | dvs | Capso: the version you update is up to you |
| 05:16.55 | Capso | I see |
| 05:17.00 | Capso | but how can I run it on the Live CD? |
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| 05:17.08 | dvs | Capso: oh, you probably have to chroot to the failed disk |
| 05:18.11 | Capso | ok, great, thanks |
| 05:18.17 | dvs | np |
| 05:18.22 | Capso | shit |
| 05:18.40 | Capso | dvs: "cryptsetup: WARNING: failed to detect canonical device of /dev/dm-2" |
| 05:18.51 | Capso | (my disks are envrypted with LUKS) |
| 05:19.17 | dvs | i've never used encryption |
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| 05:26.40 | chymist | Where can I find an additional selection of Debian "theme packages"? |
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| 05:28.52 | xwalk | I know that if you open your appearance editor there's a link there that can direct you to more themes and the tarballs for them. |
| 05:29.28 | xwalk | If you're running a gnome session, that is. |
| 05:30.02 | chymist | xwalk: Correct, however it forces selection by specific aspects of themes (such as "controls", "window borders", etc) as opposed to full themes. |
| 05:30.46 | xwalk | Oh, I'm not too sure as far as complete themes. |
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| 05:33.06 | chymist | Anyone? |
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| 05:33.30 | jasonsmr | hello channel |
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| 05:34.19 | jasonsmr | allright Im trying to setup pulse audio in debian, and set it as the server for sound, I have been having problems issues with ALSA however |
| 05:34.45 | jasonsmr | Im using the default mixer that came with GNOME |
| 05:35.02 | jasonsmr | My sound in speaker and in head phones is non functional |
| 05:35.35 | jasonsmr | sound card>>> |
| 05:35.36 | jasonsmr | 00:1e.2 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller [8086:266e] (rev 04) |
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| 05:36.28 | nevyn | jasonsmr: did you follow the howto? |
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| 05:36.34 | kingsley | jasonsmr: pulseaudio has been known to fail hard, and irretrievably. |
| 05:36.42 | nevyn | jasonsmr: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 |
| 05:36.57 | nevyn | kingsley: really? how so?\ |
| 05:37.00 | kingsley | jasonsmr: Maybe you could find more detailed diagnostic info in /var/log/messages or dmesg. |
| 05:37.49 | bambanx | a good program for make diagrams of programs and other stuffs, like visio on windows ? |
| 05:38.11 | nevyn | bambanx: xfig, dia, inkscape. |
| 05:38.31 | bambanx | ty nevyn |
| 05:38.37 | kingsley | nevyn: It seems to me that pulseaudio often works OK, but there's certain incompatible hardware that thwarts any reasonable attempt. |
| 05:39.26 | kingsley | likes xfig. |
| 05:39.46 | nevyn | jasonsmr: run pactl stat and check 1> is pulseaudio is running and 2> what is the default sink ? |
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| 05:40.00 | jasonsmr | output from alsa tests pastebin >> http://sprunge.us/BcYF |
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| 05:40.41 | jasonsmr | I dont know where to start the tests ran fin {{but Im not sure what this data can* be interpurted as}} |
| 05:40.57 | arjun_ | Hi, how do I change screen resolution of virtual consoles (using KMS). I am able to change resolution of X using xrandr. |
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| 05:41.21 | nevyn | fbset? |
| 05:41.30 | jasonsmr | nevyn, thanks |
| 05:41.49 | nevyn | jasonsmr: that wasn't for you... |
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| 05:42.04 | arjun_ | nevyn, fbset? |
| 05:42.06 | nevyn | jasonsmr: so what's the defaullt sink in pulseaudio? (check with pactl stat) |
| 05:42.24 | jasonsmr | Default Sink: alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1e.2.analog-stereo |
| 05:42.36 | nevyn | fbset - framebuffer device maintenance program |
| 05:43.06 | nevyn | jasonsmr: that looks correct. |
| 05:43.13 | jasonsmr | Default Source: alsa_input.pci-0000_00_1e.2.analog-stereo |
| 05:43.26 | nevyn | run pavucontrol |
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| 05:43.35 | nevyn | then run aplay somewavfile |
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| 05:45.34 | nevyn | jasonsmr: ^^ |
| 05:45.35 | jasonsmr | it ran with no error |
| 05:45.39 | jasonsmr | no sound ether |
| 05:45.40 | nevyn | did you hear output? |
| 05:45.47 | jasonsmr | none |
| 05:45.51 | nevyn | turn up all the controls in pavucontrol |
| 05:46.05 | jasonsmr | from ether the back speakers or from the headphones |
| 05:46.43 | jasonsmr | the dafault mixer is still running BTW gnome |
| 05:46.45 | nevyn | which jack are the speakers plugged into and which jack are the headphones plugged into? |
| 05:46.49 | nevyn | yeah that's fine |
| 05:47.13 | Capso | any of you guys run encrypted disks with LVM? |
| 05:47.14 | jasonsmr | they are plugged into the correct jacks labels* |
| 05:47.18 | nevyn | yeah |
| 05:47.24 | nevyn | jasonsmr: so green and....? |
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| 05:47.35 | Capso | at boot, I get: "cryptsetup: lvm fs found but no lvm configured" - any ideas? |
| 05:47.37 | nevyn | Capso: yeah my laptop has encrypted lvm. |
| 05:47.46 | jasonsmr | if* I use default and unplug halfway* my my speakers will play |
| 05:47.57 | nevyn | unplug halfway? |
| 05:48.08 | nevyn | oh the headphones are cutting the speakers.. |
| 05:48.09 | jasonsmr | if* the speakers are plugged into the wrong jacks |
| 05:48.22 | jasonsmr | let say that again |
| 05:48.34 | jasonsmr | right now there are two plugs |
| 05:48.38 | nevyn | yep |
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| 05:48.55 | jasonsmr | one for mic one for speakers // (well its a head set so ) |
| 05:49.08 | nevyn | yep. |
| 05:49.16 | jasonsmr | anyway thats how it is and thats how I wanted to start debuging l ;) |
| 05:49.42 | nevyn | so do you have speakers and headphones or just headphones? |
| 05:49.55 | nevyn | or is it a laptop or system with inbuilt speakers? |
| 05:50.51 | jasonsmr | like I said before I have had some output from testing with diffrent jacks plued into the wrong outputs and imputs switched EG , if I plug in the speaker headset headphones into the mic, I can hear sounds ,, however only if* it is halfway unplugged! |
| 05:51.00 | jasonsmr | its a tablet pc |
| 05:51.04 | nevyn | ok. |
| 05:51.12 | nevyn | does it have speakers internally? |
| 05:51.19 | jasonsmr | made by a motion computing its aparently i686 compat |
| 05:51.28 | jasonsmr | it has |
| 05:51.32 | jasonsmr | in the back |
| 05:51.41 | jasonsmr | yes |
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| 05:51.54 | nevyn | so can we unplug all external devices and run the aplay command again? |
| 05:52.00 | nevyn | just to check that works. |
| 05:52.06 | jasonsmr | I have had them working onece before, along with everything else |
| 05:52.15 | jasonsmr | sure |
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| 05:52.53 | nevyn | cause if that works then... aplay -> pulse -> soundcard -> internal speakers is working |
| 05:53.11 | nevyn | then it's most probably a hardware mixer configuration issue |
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| 05:56.04 | jasonsmr | huh looking at the pavucontrol I noticed something that I havent before , I apparently have a built in mic and the pavucontrol is picking up the imput from it and showing the volum change when I say 'hello' |
| 05:56.43 | jasonsmr | I however am hearing nothing output from aplay /usr/share/open-invaders/chicken.wav |
| 05:58.12 | nevyn | hrm |
| 05:58.15 | jasonsmr | interestingly enough the pavucontrol shows that the volume moves with the sound playing |
| 05:58.23 | nevyn | right. |
| 05:58.29 | jasonsmr | nothing I can hear though with the volume up all the way |
| 05:58.30 | nevyn | so turn up the slider on input. |
| 05:58.35 | nevyn | and the slider on the output tab |
| 05:58.50 | jasonsmr | I did that and tryed to choose a diffrent output device |
| 05:59.03 | jasonsmr | 147% |
| 05:59.43 | nevyn | man I wish they'd used real measurements instead of ridiculous % things |
| 05:59.45 | jasonsmr | Analog Output & Mono Output & Analog Output (LFE) |
| 05:59.48 | jasonsmr | in that order |
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| 06:00.24 | jasonsmr | well IDK but I have a output of the alsa-info.sh program script I dont know what it means |
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| 06:04.10 | Capso | nevyn: I recently lost my initrd.img file because I went into hibernate. :-( |
| 06:04.22 | Capso | nevyn: can you help me figure out how to properly restore the initrd.img? |
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| 06:08.53 | Se7enLC | I'm new to both Debian and xfce - is there a quick and dirty on how to increase the size of the window borders? I'm going nuts trying to catch that 1px with a media keyboard/mouse combo |
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| 06:10.19 | nevyn | Capso: sudo update-initrd |
| 06:10.20 | KnightsWhoSayNi | i would pick a theme with a wider boarder |
| 06:10.52 | Capso | nevyn: I ran update-initramfs but it gave me problems |
| 06:11.05 | nevyn | oh? |
| 06:11.08 | Capso | nevyn: there is no update-initramfs |
| 06:11.15 | Capso | nevyn: there is no update-initrd* |
| 06:11.20 | Capso | there is only update-initramfs |
| 06:11.43 | nevyn | yeah you had the right one |
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| 06:11.47 | Capso | nevyn: yes, firstly, update-initramfs fails to create a conf/conf.d/cryptroot |
| 06:11.48 | Capso | :-( |
| 06:12.02 | nevyn | do you have the crypto tool stuff installed? |
| 06:12.05 | Capso | I'm on LiveCD |
| 06:12.08 | Capso | it has some stuff I think |
| 06:12.16 | Se7enLC | KnightsWhoSayNi, know of any offhand? I looked through all the ones that came pre-installed, and somehow all of them had the same 1px border |
| 06:12.21 | Capso | I do have it installed on disk |
| 06:12.22 | Capso | yes |
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| 06:12.37 | nevyn | so your livecd can't mount your crypted filessystem.. |
| 06:12.44 | nevyn | that is gonna happen. |
| 06:12.53 | nevyn | it's kinda the point in fact. |
| 06:12.59 | Capso | that's not what I'm saying |
| 06:13.19 | Capso | nevyn: I'm saying that I ran update-initramfs from the LiveCD (chrooted into my disk) |
| 06:13.28 | nevyn | and if you've lost the initrd you are pretty much screwed. |
| 06:13.29 | Capso | nevyn: then I tried to reboot |
| 06:13.48 | nevyn | because the initrd won't have the secret key to decrypt the lvm crypt anymore |
| 06:13.57 | Capso | how can I recreate the initrd? |
| 06:14.19 | KnightsWhoSayNi | Se7enLC: go into your appearance preferences and customize - look under boarders |
| 06:14.48 | xwalk | Can someone tell me what "expanded" means in the context of bash scripting? |
| 06:14.59 | nevyn | Capso: you need the crypto secret. ifyou've deleted the initrd it may be gone. |
| 06:15.20 | Capso | nevyn: it asks me for the passphrase, and it's able to mount it |
| 06:15.24 | Capso | but the names are wrong it seems |
| 06:15.27 | Se7enLC | KnightsWhoSayNi, I don't have that option - possibly old software. Under appearance I only have style, icons, fonts, and settings |
| 06:15.29 | nevyn | how are the names wrong? |
| 06:15.30 | Capso | and it doesn't seem to do the right thing regarding LVM |
| 06:16.23 | Capso | nevyn: well, one thing I get is, after I enter the right passphrase, it gives: "cryptsetup: lvm fs found but no lvm configured" |
| 06:16.43 | nevyn | do you have lvm installed? |
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| 06:17.09 | Capso | what do you mean? I was able to boot from this box before the hibernate; of course I'd have lvm installed |
| 06:17.43 | nevyn | have you tried just turning it off and booting again? |
| 06:17.59 | Capso | eh, that's what I'm explaining to you |
| 06:18.04 | cardamon | Hey, silly question. How would a see what's making my HDD spin so much? Because it's really going at every boot up. |
| 06:18.04 | Capso | that's where I get this error |
| 06:18.23 | cardamon | s/a/I/ |
| 06:18.27 | Se7enLC | KnightsWhoSayNi, I just installed a new theme that looked like it had larger borders in the screenshot on xkce-look |
| 06:18.32 | Se7enLC | but it's still only 1px |
| 06:19.19 | KnightsWhoSayNi | Se7enLC: XFCE may not have anything like that - but gnome has wider boarders - unless that is too heavy for you. |
| 06:19.40 | cardamon | Something like the CPU% or MEM% in top/htop? Only for HDD usage? |
| 06:20.43 | cardamon | Because it sounds like it's doing a ton of read and seeks when it shouldn't be doing much of anything, except syslog I guess. |
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| 06:20.54 | Se7enLC | KnightsWhoSayNi, I'd prefer to just run gnome, but I thought I'd give xfce a chance (not my machine, and gnome is not currently installed/working). It's not lasting long at this rate :-P |
| 06:20.59 | Jef91 | Does this compiler error make sense to anyone? Building Firefox on Debian ARM - mozilla/arm.h:153: undefined reference to `mozilla::arm_private::edsp_enabled' |
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| 06:29.32 | mah454 | I can not mount NFS in Debiam ! receive : no route to host ! |
| 06:29.45 | mah454 | s/Debiam/Debian |
| 06:30.01 | dwfreed | mah454: check your network connection; see if you can ping the NFS server |
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| 06:31.11 | mah454 | dwfreed, I can ping NFS server ... |
| 06:31.22 | mah454 | but can not connect to this ... |
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| 06:33.53 | uplate | Ok, I just installed gnome and logged into that. 1px window borders still! I'm baffled. Any ideas? |
| 06:34.17 | simonlnu | mah454: closed ports on nfsd host? |
| 06:34.49 | Capso | in order to chroot properly, what filesystems should I mount? |
| 06:34.52 | Capso | procfs? tmpfs? |
| 06:34.58 | Capso | any chroot'ing guide? |
| 06:35.48 | simonlnu | /proc /sys /dev and 'mount --bind foo bar' |
| 06:36.16 | uplate | as far as I can tell, all my appearance settings screens are just missing. No preferences dialogs at all that seem like they would fix it. |
| 06:37.00 | simonlnu | run gnome-control-center from cli |
| 06:37.46 | uplate | gnome-control-center works |
| 06:37.50 | uplate | no appearance icon |
| 06:38.31 | uplate | I'm thinking my lack of debian-specific knowledge might be catching up with me. perhaps apt-get install gnome did not actually do what I thought it would do... |
| 06:39.58 | simonlnu | technically, that should do it, but it's called gnome-desktop-environment (in some releases) |
| 06:40.06 | simonlnu | !install gnome |
| 06:40.07 | dpkg | To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, 'gnome-desktop-environment' for GNOME as defined by upstream, 'gnome-core' for a bit less and 'gnome-session' for the basic components actually needed to run a GNOME session. You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
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| 06:40.37 | uplate | ok, so apt-get install gnome was what I did, that should have me all set up to go. I must have broken something here, I think |
| 06:40.51 | simonlnu | ok, my bad, not quite what i thought |
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| 06:41.02 | uplate | everything seems to work fine, just the window borders are stuck at 1px, in gnome and xfce both (metacity and xfwm4) |
| 06:41.04 | simonlnu | completed successfully? |
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| 06:41.27 | simonlnu | check your theme. try removing/moving ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
| 06:41.29 | uplate | apt-get says "gnome is already the newest version" |
| 06:41.58 | uplate | I don't have a .gtkrc-2.0 dir, so I guess I'm good there |
| 06:42.12 | simonlnu | it's a file |
| 06:42.19 | simonlnu | but yeh |
| 06:42.21 | uplate | sorry - I just tab-completed |
| 06:42.23 | uplate | still not there |
| 06:42.25 | uplate | :-) |
| 06:42.48 | simonlnu | np. so, is there an icon for 'appearance' at all? |
| 06:42.53 | uplate | it just occurred to me that my desktop is dead, too |
| 06:42.58 | uplate | black wallpaper, no icons |
| 06:43.02 | simonlnu | wewps =) |
| 06:43.08 | uplate | yeah, gnome-control-center looks pretty empty |
| 06:43.38 | uplate | the "Background" icon is there |
| 06:43.42 | uplate | and lets me pick a wallpaper |
| 06:43.46 | uplate | doesn't do anything, of course |
| 06:43.54 | simonlnu | hmm. try, nautilus & from a term |
| 06:44.12 | uplate | yeah, I just did that before you mentioned it |
| 06:44.26 | uplate | got a nice file browsing window, but it didn't grab the root window like I expected |
| 06:44.28 | simonlnu | ok |
| 06:44.54 | uplate | something is really wrong with this system - now I know why it was running xfce |
| 06:44.58 | simonlnu | it should, you didn't pass --no-desktop. look at your ~/.xsession-errors to see what's up |
| 06:46.59 | uplate | I see nothing about nautilus in xsession, but a slew of other messages - trying to find the real issue in there |
| 06:47.12 | uplate | ConsoleKit and gnome-settings-daemon are complaining, let me see what is running |
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| 06:48.07 | uplate | is there a pastebin or wgetpaste or equiv for debian? I don't use debian as much as other distros |
| 06:48.09 | simonlnu | g-s-d crashing is usually a sign of ^^^ |
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| 06:48.19 | simonlnu | !pastebinit |
| 06:48.19 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <nopaste>. |
| 06:48.45 | uplate | awesome, thanks |
| 06:50.02 | uplate | ohgrate, python errors running pastebinit. This is going to be a downward spiral of fixing new problems just to get the tools to fix the original problem |
| 06:50.28 | simonlnu | ok, just get w3m and do it from there |
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| 06:50.49 | blackshirt | where we can ask specific pyton-apt on debian ? |
| 06:51.08 | simonlnu | i don't understand the question |
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| 06:51.36 | uplate | http://pastebin.com/BEkvFyjC |
| 06:51.40 | simonlnu | (could be because i'm tired too ;p) |
| 06:51.45 | uplate | well, at least python fixes are straightforward, heh |
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| 06:53.00 | uplate | oh, here's a thought - what groups should an account have access to if they are allowed to log in graphically and use the local machine? |
| 06:53.24 | blackshirt | simonlu: i need help with python-apt packages, can we ask here ? |
| 06:54.01 | simonlnu | please tab complete my nick, thanks blackshirt |
| 06:54.07 | jasonsmr | I know I have no audio user! |
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| 06:54.14 | jasonsmr | is that a bad thing? |
| 06:54.20 | simonlnu | uplate: looks like dbus crashing, probably your session dbus daemon |
| 06:54.25 | jasonsmr | also my speakers do not work |
| 06:54.29 | blackshirt | simonlnu: sorry guys :D thanks |
| 06:54.35 | simonlnu | jasonsmr: it's a group, not user |
| 06:54.40 | jasonsmr | oh |
| 06:54.41 | simonlnu | blackshirt: thank you |
| 06:55.00 | uplate | I was apparently in pretty much ZERO of the normal groups |
| 06:55.02 | blackshirt | simonlnu: so, ? |
| 06:55.07 | uplate | I'm surprised I was even able to log in at all |
| 06:55.10 | uplate | brb, trying this out |
| 06:55.22 | simonlnu | uplate: nothing special. it's the system that decides that. usually console users can. |
| 06:55.31 | jasonsmr | what creates this group? |
| 06:55.39 | jasonsmr | and why dont I have sound? |
| 06:55.48 | simonlnu | blackshirt: yes, you can, but i don't know how much of a reply you'll get ;) |
| 06:56.25 | simonlnu | jasonsmr: it comes default. users don't get added automaitcally. 'adduser yourusername audio', then log out completely and in again |
| 06:56.54 | jasonsmr | nevermind I do have that group* and Im allready a member |
| 06:57.09 | simonlnu | !alsa-checklist |
| 06:57.09 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 06:58.12 | blackshirt | simonlnu: okey, thanks before. if we look at python-apt-doc, especially on apt.package class doc, we can read docs : class apt.package.Package(pcache, pkgiter) .... what is pcache and pkgiter parameters ? i don't see any description for them ? |
| 06:58.54 | blackshirt | jasonsmr: what is exactly your problem ? |
| 06:58.57 | jasonsmr | head -n 3 /proc/asound/card0/codec97#0/ac97#0-0 |
| 06:59.03 | simonlnu | arguments. pkgiter looks like an iterator. pcache is probably the package cache |
| 06:59.07 | jasonsmr | 0-0/0: SigmaTel STAC9758,59 |
| 06:59.16 | simonlnu | !ac97 |
| 06:59.16 | dpkg | There is no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses AC'97 audio. As AC'97 is just an audio codec standard, you need a driver for your audio chip. In <ALSA>, it is usually one of snd-intel8x0, snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx; use <lspci -k> to check. The AC'97 standard was superseded by the Intel High Definition Audio specification in 2004, this is supported by snd-hda-intel. |
| 06:59.17 | Se7enLC_gentoo | apparently I don't even have permission to log out! is there a command that is the equivalent of /etc/init.d/xdm restart to just kill all X-related things and let them respawn? |
| 06:59.19 | jasonsmr | Oh problem is that speakers dont play |
| 06:59.37 | simonlnu | jasonsmr: ^^^ |
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| 06:59.54 | jasonsmr | reading |
| 07:00.00 | jasonsmr | oh okey |
| 07:00.05 | jasonsmr | I have read that befor |
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| 07:00.13 | simonlnu | 'k =) |
| 07:00.24 | jasonsmr | I am using tsnd-intel8x0 module its loadedhe |
| 07:00.24 | simonlnu | everything unmuted? |
| 07:00.30 | jasonsmr | its loaded in |
| 07:00.39 | jasonsmr | yes all unmuted |
| 07:00.52 | jasonsmr | pulseaudio is the server and it is running |
| 07:01.37 | simonlnu | ok. pa might be getting in the way, or not. try without pulseaudio. could also be it's not responding. |
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| 07:01.45 | jasonsmr | if I play a sound using aplay somewave.wav the volume bar displays activly in the pavucontrol |
| 07:01.51 | simonlnu | lsof /dev/snd/* |
| 07:01.53 | jasonsmr | no sound in speakers ... |
| 07:02.16 | simonlnu | are the speakers connected? (/me goes through the checklist) |
| 07:02.24 | blackshirt | simonlnu: what the iterator ?? the docs very lack |
| 07:02.52 | jasonsmr | http://sprunge.us/fWDP |
| 07:02.53 | simonlnu | blackshirt: common python idiom. iteration is 'counting' |
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| 07:03.01 | Se7enLC_gentoo | Oh, I really hosed it now |
| 07:03.05 | jasonsmr | there internal |
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| 07:03.55 | simonlnu | yeh, so pa is occupying the device. pkill pulseaudio, and try again |
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| 07:04.20 | simonlnu | it might come up again, depending, but it might help |
| 07:04.26 | jasonsmr | simonlnu , also this is a test run by alsa pastebin >>http://sprunge.us/iLNd |
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| 07:05.12 | blackshirt | simonlnu: where is pkgiter objects derived from ? |
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| 07:08.50 | simonlnu | blackshirt: i don't know. look at the module. probably just looping over each entry in the pkg cache |
| 07:08.56 | jasonsmr | nothing |
| 07:09.05 | jasonsmr | still nothing from the speakers |
| 07:09.37 | simonlnu | jasonsmr: well, i saw one there that said 0, one of the switches. try turning that on? |
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| 07:10.56 | blackshirt | simonlnu: where this module place on standard debian install ?? i mean python-apt packages |
| 07:11.12 | simonlnu | dpkg -L packagename |
| 07:11.12 | dpkg | No packages found matching packagename |
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| 07:11.48 | simonlnu | dpkg: hush |
| 07:11.48 | dpkg | [hush] http://www.apt.needs.to.hush.up.org |
| 07:12.01 | simonlnu | whoah |
| 07:12.10 | simonlnu | !factinfo hush |
| 07:12.10 | dpkg | hush -- it has been requested 16 times, last by simonlnu, 22s ago. |
| 07:12.18 | jasonsmr | you mean the Mix |
| 07:12.23 | jasonsmr | let me toggle it |
| 07:12.23 | simonlnu | an old one. no date on it at all |
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| 07:13.21 | jasonsmr | cant I just try to turn all of the switches on? IDK what will happen? |
| 07:13.32 | jasonsmr | a maybe nothing.. |
| 07:13.39 | simonlnu | why not, just make sure it's not too loud ;p |
| 07:13.47 | jasonsmr | nothing happened |
| 07:13.53 | jasonsmr | hrrm |
| 07:13.58 | jasonsmr | its wierd |
| 07:14.01 | simonlnu | are they connected? |
| 07:14.04 | simonlnu | 'weird' |
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| 07:14.37 | jasonsmr | amixer shows two mixers |
| 07:14.49 | jasonsmr | 'Master',0 |
| 07:14.59 | simonlnu | turn that up |
| 07:15.05 | jasonsmr | 'Capture',0 |
| 07:15.12 | simonlnu | oh nm, i got confused |
| 07:15.13 | jasonsmr | the master is at 100% |
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| 07:15.24 | jasonsmr | the 0 is the dev id I think* |
| 07:15.28 | simonlnu | yeh |
| 07:15.44 | Se7enLC | is there a command to either log out of a graphical session or remotely kill a graphical session correctly? |
| 07:15.45 | jasonsmr | the capture is marked as off |
| 07:15.53 | jasonsmr | thats the mic though i think* |
| 07:16.23 | jasonsmr | Front Right: Capture 65535 [100%] [off] |
| 07:16.26 | Se7enLC | I have ssh root access, but I have no logout button, and ctrl-alt-backspace does nothing |
| 07:16.30 | jasonsmr | thats the capture device |
| 07:16.33 | simonlnu | Se7enLC: some do some don't. xfce has xfce4-session-logout, but may prompt |
| 07:16.53 | simonlnu | jasonsmr: capture being off is ok |
| 07:17.03 | Se7enLC | it's fine if it prompts - I'm at the machine, I just can't seem to log out! (gnome half-broken) |
| 07:17.07 | simonlnu | unless you want to record from them ;p |
| 07:17.22 | bambanx | how i can connect to irc using my shell? |
| 07:17.32 | simonlnu | Se7enLC: ctr-alt-bksp is disabled by default now. |
| 07:18.06 | simonlnu | you can do dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration to fix that |
| 07:18.27 | simonlnu | blackshirt: install a console based client |
| 07:18.29 | timo | bambanx: with a console-based irc client, e.g. irssi |
| 07:18.31 | Se7enLC | gnome-session-quit did the trick |
| 07:18.34 | simonlnu | blackshirt: woops |
| 07:18.53 | Se7enLC | xfce4-session-logout made me thing of seeing what gnome-session would autocomplete to |
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| 07:19.02 | simonlnu | :) |
| 07:19.03 | bambanx | ty timo |
| 07:19.05 | simonlnu | cool |
| 07:20.00 | jasonsmr | Installed - Yes (/usr/bin/pulseaudio) |
| 07:20.15 | jasonsmr | pulseaudio ^^ |
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| 07:20.26 | jasonsmr | running Yes |
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| 07:20.44 | jasonsmr | ESound Daemon: Installed - Yes (/usr/bin/esd) Running - No |
| 07:20.53 | simonlnu | did you try pkill-ing it? |
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| 07:21.40 | jasonsmr | simonlnu ^^ me? |
| 07:21.44 | simonlnu | yes |
| 07:21.58 | jasonsmr | no I havent do I want pulse audio no? |
| 07:22.14 | jasonsmr | I have heard it fails in debian apparently |
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| 07:22.31 | simonlnu | earlier, i made a suggestion to kill it, so it would - even temporarily - release the device |
| 07:23.16 | jasonsmr | okey now all programs with that name are dead |
| 07:23.27 | simonlnu | try |
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| 07:23.49 | jasonsmr | however , that raises the question what is going to access and serve* my hardware to other applications? |
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| 07:24.23 | simonlnu | it's probably duplex, so that won't matter, if it is. |
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| 07:24.43 | jasonsmr | nothing plays still using aplay |
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| 07:25.10 | jasonsmr | should i try and restart? alsa |
| 07:25.15 | Se7enLC | IT WAS DBUS |
| 07:25.19 | simonlnu | sorry but i need to go to sleep. maybe logging out of x ? |
| 07:25.19 | Se7enLC | it was an old version all along |
| 07:25.22 | jasonsmr | remove pulse audio |
| 07:25.28 | Se7enLC | apparently gnome didn't have a dependency on it? |
| 07:25.31 | Se7enLC | but it does. |
| 07:25.34 | simonlnu | jasonsmr: probably won't have to |
| 07:25.39 | simonlnu | Se7enLC: yes it does |
| 07:25.50 | simonlnu | good luck everyone |
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| 07:25.57 | Se7enLC | simonlnu, apt-get install gnome didn't update it, but manually updating it worked |
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| 07:26.24 | jasonsmr | I did this to install it >> http://blog.the-jedi.co.uk/2011/06/26/pulseaudio-on-debian-7/ |
| 07:26.26 | Se7enLC | so it must have a requirement that dbus be installed |
| 07:26.33 | Se7enLC | but not a requirement on the specific version that is needed |
| 07:26.44 | jasonsmr | so thatI have a /etc/asound.conf |
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| 07:38.27 | Se7enLC | Well, I can log into gnome, now |
| 07:38.37 | Se7enLC | but it still has no appearance option in control center |
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| 07:52.00 | hojrak | hi, i`m just a beginner on linux, i have problem with setting up proftpd, can somone help me ?? |
| 07:53.19 | bolt | hojrak: the first thing to learn is how to ask questions in here :) |
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| 07:54.17 | bolt | hojrak: instead of asking for help in general, to which people will be hesitant to respond because even though they *know* the package in question they might not know the answer to your specific problem, try being specific |
| 07:54.42 | bolt | hojrak: i.e. say what you want to do, what's stopping you, what you've tried and list any error mesages you get |
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| 07:55.15 | bolt | hojrak: then maybe someone who wouldn't even claim to know how to use, in your case, proftpd actually turns out to be able to help |
| 07:55.20 | Se7enLC | well, that was exciting |
| 07:55.41 | bolt | hmm? |
| 07:55.44 | Se7enLC | upgrading package got to a point where a newer version of tar was required by apt-get |
| 07:56.13 | Se7enLC | tar come in a tar :-P |
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| 07:56.53 | Se7enLC | I had to copy the binary tar from another machine to bootstrap it and convince it to update itself |
| 07:57.05 | hojrak | i want to share one folder wich is not in my Home folder, and i dont knew how to acces it later |
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| 07:58.21 | cdown | Hello -- I'm trying to set up Xorg on a laptop using an Intel chipset, however, using the `intel' driver results in "No devices detected". Using a Debian-based live CD however, it works fine. If I try using the xorg.conf from that live CD, it reports the same thing. Relevant packages are included in both. How should I look into this? |
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| 07:58.31 | cdown | Currently it is using VESA with a completely screwed up mode. |
| 07:58.54 | cdown | It should be noted that the intel driver is being used by the live-CD as well. |
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| 08:00.38 | bolt | hojrak: i don't think proftpd uses a jail by default? with a decent ftp client you should be able to access everything your user can access |
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| 08:02.21 | bolt | hojrak: with a bad one you might need to specify "./../" as the directory to go to in order to escape your home directory. |
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| 08:03.28 | cdown | Here is the Xorg log from the failing install: http://sprunge.us/XXHY -- and here is the working one from the live CD: http://sprunge.us/YZaW |
| 08:04.43 | bolt | !tell hojrak about ftp must die |
| 08:07.17 | Trewas | cdown: the first paste has much older kernel, maybe it does not yet include support for that gpu |
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| 08:08.08 | cdown | Trewas: Is there some way to get a newer kernel without using sid/etc? |
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| 08:09.56 | cdown | backports? |
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| 08:11.09 | Trewas | probably, and I think kmuto is the keyword for installer images with newer kernels |
| 08:11.28 | cdown | thanks |
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| 08:11.52 | dellin | i have setup a basic kvm on ubuntu server 10.04 but i don't know much of networking what is best way to configure network for gues (windows xp and another linux ) |
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| 08:17.01 | cdown | Trewas: `aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-{image,headers}-2.6-686' seems to work pretty well after enabling backports. Thanks! |
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| 08:22.37 | hojrak | when in proftpd.config i make <Global><Directories /miedia/data/share> to get acces by ftp i have to tape ftp://hojrak.pl/media/data/share or i shoul see it in main folder ftp://hojrak.pl ? |
| 08:23.44 | cdown | Trewas: not only that, but that has fixed the Xorg issue too. thanks a lot mate! |
| 08:24.03 | Trewas | cdown: nice to hear :) |
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| 08:33.41 | darsie | Hi! Is there a program that will log a square audio frequency each second? |
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| 08:36.01 | darsie | or just print the frequency form a sound sample or line-in. |
| 08:36.04 | bolt | hojrak: which ftp client are you using? |
| 08:36.07 | darsie | from* |
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| 08:41.48 | hojrak | proftpd |
| 08:42.18 | bolt | hojrak: that is your server |
| 08:42.18 | hojrak | and i connect to it by total commander |
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| 08:45.24 | bolt | hojrak: try ftp://hojrak.pl/../../ |
| 08:45.30 | bolt | hojrak: see where that goes |
| 08:45.46 | hojrak | its show 510 no such directory |
| 08:46.12 | bolt | hojrak: where do you end up when you don't specify a directory? |
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| 08:48.30 | bolt | hojrak: i mean, where does ftp://hojrak.pl/ put you? your home directory? |
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| 08:48.56 | bolt | hojrak: if so, ftp://hojrak.pl/../ should take you to your home directory's parent directory |
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| 08:57.34 | hojrak | <bolt> sorry i`m in work, i was speaking wiht customer, hojrak.pl put me in home dir, when type with ../ i have 510 no such dir |
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| 09:02.45 | ksx4system | a symlink to tmpfs with chattr +i and a script which does apt-get update every reboot will be ok? |
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| 09:39.32 | praecox | simonlnu, unfortunately - nothing helps at all. even just tried http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/ - somehow newer version of package firmware-bnx2_0.34_all.deb |
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| 09:40.08 | praecox | simonlnu, althought seems like it contains older driver - and also doesn't help. I believe I'm screwed. |
| 09:40.10 | ksx4system | can I force moving /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin to ram? I'd prefer not to write this file to ssd every apt-get update |
| 09:40.15 | ksx4system | a symlink to tmpfs with chattr +i and a script which does apt-get update every reboot will be ok? |
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| 09:52.35 | CruX| | hello, how can I redirect all file descriptors into pipe ? |
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| 09:52.49 | CruX| | &> file is working |
| 09:53.03 | CruX| | but i need something like &>| |
| 09:53.08 | CruX| | without fifo |
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| 09:54.15 | bwana147 | would &>&1 | work? |
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| 09:55.28 | CruX| | bwana147: no: line 25: `} &>&1 | gzip > $DIR/$HOSTNAME ' |
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| 09:55.45 | kgoetz | ksx4system: i'd suggest you try and find the apt configuration option to move the file |
| 09:56.09 | bwana147 | CruX|: gzip -c |
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| 09:57.23 | bwana147 | ah no, it's working without -c |
| 09:57.25 | bwana147 | sorry |
| 09:57.49 | CruX| | its not gzip error |
| 09:58.31 | CruX| | i have something like {while true; dobber print something; done} &>&1 | gzip > $DIR/$HOSTNAME |
| 09:59.06 | CruX| | and i would like to redirect all output fds into gzip pipe |
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| 09:59.58 | bwana147 | mixed ones? |
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| 10:00.24 | vtts | CruX|, shouldn't it be "while true; do something; done" |
| 10:01.11 | dobber | probably |
| 10:01.26 | CruX| | vtts: yes that was a typo |
| 10:02.00 | CruX| | bwana147: yes, mixed |
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| 10:03.17 | vtts | CruX|, how many fds do you have? |
| 10:04.01 | vtts | any more than stdout and stderr? |
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| 10:04.34 | ksx4system | kgoetz: easy to say, so much harder to do... documentation is just awful |
| 10:05.24 | CruX| | vtts: only stdout and stderr |
| 10:05.52 | vtts | then use something 2>&1 | gzip ... |
| 10:06.22 | CruX| | vtts: that is not working |
| 10:06.28 | kgoetz | ksx4system: ksx4system man 5 apt.conf |
| 10:06.33 | vtts | CruX|, any errors? |
| 10:06.39 | kgoetz | look for Dir::Cache |
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| 10:08.30 | CruX| | vtts: no but output file is empty |
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| 10:08.50 | vtts | try "... | cat" |
| 10:09.04 | vtts | to see if gzip gets anything |
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| 10:11.40 | CruX| | vtts: ah that is working |
| 10:11.53 | vtts | it should :) |
| 10:12.01 | CruX| | problem was probably due to nfs mount, thanks |
| 10:12.06 | vtts | np |
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| 10:20.55 | impaktor | Anyone using zsh? Look in /etc/zsh/newuser.zshrc.recommended. I don't understand why "zstyle ':completion:*' menu select=" gets set twice? first as select=2 then as select=long? |
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| 10:24.28 | jelly | impaktor: show the whole file to people in #zsh, ask them whether that makes sense |
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| 10:24.52 | jelly | is still using old style completion |
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| 10:26.41 | impaktor | jelly: yeah, I've tried, that, not much activity there at them moment. I'll try again. |
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| 10:40.13 | jelly | impaktor: just keep idling or a while, some channels might take days for a sensible response |
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| 10:40.41 | impaktor | jelly: yeah, just got a reply now. Thanks. |
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| 11:03.08 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 11:03.27 | rly | How can I see which applications are using bandwidth? |
| 11:03.53 | Bartzy | if I'm building a package with checkinstall, that has the same name as a package in the debian repos - How can I deny of aptitude/apt-get to install newer version of this package from debian repos when doing aptitude upgrade ? |
| 11:04.17 | Corey | Bartzy: Look into apt-pinning. |
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| 11:04.27 | impaktor | rly: maybe iftop ? |
| 11:04.30 | Bartzy | Corey: And that is completely safe to do ? |
| 11:04.53 | Corey | Bartzy: Who knows, I've got no idea what you're doing to your box. :-) But that'll keep things at specific versions / source from specific places. |
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| 11:05.13 | impaktor | Bartzy: on the debian forum there is a Howto "how to compile a package the smart way" I think, it brings up this issue, how to keep a package from the upgrade list. |
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| 11:05.51 | PerfDave | Bartzy: You're probably doing it wrong. What are you trying to achieve? |
| 11:06.24 | PTBD_ | hallo. i can't install debian-testing-amd64-businesscard.iso on my thinkpad because after I have chosen "graphical install" i see the language selection but my keyboard and mouse are not working. anyway to fix this? |
| 11:06.41 | Bartzy | PerfDave: recompiling nginx with a specific 3rd party module. |
| 11:07.05 | NapHtaKeRoSene | anybody know how to call a pointer to function in linux C ? |
| 11:08.08 | PerfDave | Bartzy: OK, why are you using checkinstall for that? |
| 11:08.26 | PerfDave | PTBD_: Does it work with the stable installer? |
| 11:08.33 | gusnan | NapHtaKeRoSene, Is this what you mean? http://www.newty.de/fpt/fpt.html#call |
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| 11:09.18 | PTBD_ | i had no chance to try it but tha last time (4 - 5 month ago) i tryed stable it worked. |
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| 11:09.55 | PTBD_ | atleast i belive that. didn't think about trying it. but if it doesn work too, what could I do to fix it? |
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| 11:10.08 | PerfDave | PTBD_: Sounds like you should check the bug tracking system and file a bug if it's not already there, since you're contributing to the test programme |
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| 11:10.28 | Bartzy | PerfDave: What else should I use ? dh_make ? |
| 11:10.29 | PerfDave | Regression in functionality from the last stable release is definitely a bug |
| 11:10.45 | PTBD_ | ok. but in case it doesn't work in stable too? |
| 11:10.51 | PerfDave | PTBD_: Then file a bug anyway :) |
| 11:11.25 | PerfDave | Bartzy: I'd use the Debian source package, apply the third party module as a patch or similar, and build it with dpkg-buildpackage |
| 11:11.43 | PTBD_ | i tryed the latest crunchbang yesterday, which is based on the latest debian I think. it works there. so it's most likely a bug ? |
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| 11:12.08 | PerfDave | PTBD_: If it's a bug, it should be in the bug tracking system. Have you checked the bug tracking system? |
| 11:12.17 | Bartzy | PerfDave: I also need the latest stable source as declared by nginx. |
| 11:12.18 | PTBD_ | not yet. |
| 11:12.33 | PerfDave | Bartzy: So maybe you need to backport too |
| 11:12.38 | Bartzy | PerfDave: And it's not a patch, it's a module you need to recompile with |
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| 11:13.09 | PerfDave | Bartzy: Sure, but you can apply it using the Debian source package patching mechanisms |
| 11:15.06 | NapHtaKeRoSene | gusnan<< neat, thank you <; |
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| 11:16.17 | NapHtaKeRoSene | do i always need to define the parameters as well? int (*pt2Function)(float, char, char) = NULL; |
| 11:16.34 | NapHtaKeRoSene | (assuming i know what i'm doing) |
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| 11:26.10 | jameslordhz | hi all |
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| 11:26.19 | jameslordhz | anybody here use ubuntu? |
| 11:26.29 | sephii | jameslordhz: try #ubuntu |
| 11:26.39 | jameslordhz | ubuntu is based on debian and is better than debian, is it ? |
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| 11:27.08 | ompaul | jameslordhz: what do you take us for, asking that question in #debian, I find your question an abomination |
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| 11:28.40 | jameslordhz | ompaul take it easy, dude:) i use ubuntu and debian:) but i want to know why you guys choose debian? |
| 11:28.56 | bolt | jameslordhz: it's perfectly possible to take something that's good and make something crap based on it |
| 11:29.09 | bolt | !ubuntu |
| 11:29.09 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 11:29.56 | jameslordhz | !ubuntu |
| 11:29.57 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 11:30.00 | jameslordhz | !redhat |
| 11:30.09 | ompaul | jameslordhz: you can't make your own mind up, lacking in critical thinking are we? your trolling just go somewhere else like outside and look at the sky |
| 11:30.48 | ompaul | jameslordhz: and all a troll really is, apart from not being clever (which is by implication not clever) is a pain |
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| 11:31.25 | jameslordhz | ompaul i am sorry to hear that, but you do not tell me the advantage of debian:( |
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| 11:31.45 | bolt | jameslordhz: i chose debian because debian stable is pretty friggin' stable, it doesn't decide anything for me, does what I want and has a very good upgrade path not requireing you to reinstall anything. it also releases when it's ready, not when some arbitrary date says it's about time. |
| 11:31.52 | themill | jameslordhz: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 11:32.00 | bolt | jameslordhz: there are a bunch of other reasons too |
| 11:34.02 | cdown | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:34.02 | cdown | 12:31 < themill> jameslordhz: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 11:34.06 | cdown | jesus |
| 11:34.10 | cdown | sorry |
| 11:34.31 | cdown | that's what happens when clicking when turning on monitor |
| 11:34.45 | jameslordhz | bolt debian is more stable, right? debian vs ubuntu is like redhat vs federo, right? |
| 11:36.15 | bolt | jameslordhz: i don't think any conclusive tests have ever been done on the subject. in my personal opinion i'd say yes, but that's just me. |
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| 11:37.12 | ksuhku | jameslordhz, for me the important part is the freedom |
| 11:37.43 | bolt | jameslordhz: since ubuntu bugs also occurring in debian tend to get reported on the debian project, you can't even compare the bug databases. good luck finding an objective answer to that question :) |
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| 11:40.41 | jargon- | running /usr/bin/tzselectn keeps giving me the wrong time but the right timezone. |
| 11:41.28 | ksuhku | jargon-, day light savings? |
| 11:41.38 | PTBD_ | where can I find the bug tracker for debian squeeze sid? |
| 11:41.56 | themill | PTBD_: there's no such thing as "debian squeeze sid"; bugs.debian.org |
| 11:41.59 | jargon- | ksuhku: i'm in WAT zone. no daylight savings here. |
| 11:42.03 | bolt | squeeze is stable now, not sid |
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| 11:42.27 | PTBD_ | is it wheezy which is sid now? |
| 11:42.45 | bolt | testing |
| 11:42.47 | jargon- | PTBD_: wheezy is testing. sid is unstable |
| 11:43.32 | PTBD_ | whats sid than? |
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| 11:43.37 | bolt | sid is sid |
| 11:43.45 | bolt | it always has been and always will be |
| 11:44.06 | bolt | and if you need to ask you shouldn't use it anyway |
| 11:44.07 | jargon- | PTBD_: sid is always the name for unstable. the others change |
| 11:44.16 | PTBD_ | ok, sorry. i never used it before. so where can I find the bug tracker for this to see if my problem is in there |
| 11:44.30 | bolt | bugs.debian.org |
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| 12:09.54 | montreux | Hi, could some explain me, why it does not work. I have a small network behind my 'firewall'. I did: iptables -P FORWARD DROP, iptables -A FORWARD -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT, iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth0 (becusue it the same interface, in general this firewal it's next hop) -p tcp -s $A -d $B --dport ssh -j ACCEPT. Does I really to need to pass traffic from $B to $A at --sport ssh? Does it possible to have stateful at forward chain? |
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| 12:23.22 | ondrejk | hi, im solving problem with haproxy, i configured it as described in http://www.mail-archive.com/haproxy@formilux.org/msg00105.html but it's still not working |
| 12:23.32 | ondrejk | my nginx backend is working without problems ... |
| 12:23.50 | ondrejk | where could be a problem? |
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| 12:32.58 | babilen | ondrejk: Asked in #haproxy already? |
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| 12:35.38 | davidgul | hi some one can give my drivers for asus eee pc 1015 pn i need the wirles card driver |
| 12:36.10 | bolt | davidgul: google is your friend on most laptop wireless issues |
| 12:37.09 | hojrak | i have problem with fluently movies Full HD by network, movies are on Home Debian Server AMD 4200, 4GB Ram, DISK1: 80 GB SATA 7200 (Only OS), DISK 2 500GB with movies. PC are connected by kable to Linksys WRT54. Files are shared by Samba. I try to open it on Macbook pro with OSX and Windows by WIFI, and files more then 15GB are not open fluently, probably network is too slow?? but why ?? |
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| 12:38.34 | jelly | hojrak: does it work better if you use a wired connection instead of wifi>? |
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| 12:42.54 | hojrak | no its the same |
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| 12:43.25 | hojrak | but when i copy files on macbook its open fuluently |
| 12:44.49 | davidgul | i cant find wirles driver for my asus eee pc 1015pn |
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| 12:57.47 | Mephisto | got two questions concerning ATI video driver from backports (11.4) and compiz |
| 12:57.54 | Mephisto | using Squeeze amd64/ |
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| 12:58.50 | Mephisto | now... i've upgraded video driver from backports, all fine except when i do "aticonfig --initial" it says this: |
| 12:58.50 | Mephisto | Found fglrx primary device section |
| 12:58.51 | Mephisto | Fail to link to fglrx-libglx.so, please check whether driver is installed correctly |
| 12:58.51 | Mephisto | Using /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 12:58.51 | Mephisto | Saving back-up to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.fglrx-3 |
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| 12:58.59 | amt0101 | Hello, is there a way to check if my Marvell ethernet controller has the driver in squeeze? |
| 12:59.10 | Mephisto | sorry. I thought it's not that big |
| 12:59.16 | Mephisto | so... is that ok? |
| 12:59.30 | amt0101 | Back when I tried to install the 5.x version of debian I had no driver for my ethernet :| |
| 12:59.40 | Mephisto | amt0101, same here. There IS one solution |
| 12:59.51 | Mephisto | amt0101, the thing is... your kernel must KNOW your ethernet adapter. |
| 13:00.02 | Mephisto | amt0101, there's one thing, but it didn't help me personally. I can give it to you. |
| 13:00.24 | amt0101 | Mephisto, What's that? |
| 13:00.30 | Mephisto | amt0101, wait, let me find it.. |
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| 13:01.44 | Mephisto | amt0101, squeeze must know your driver by the way. |
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| 13:02.15 | Mephisto | amt0101, when did your controller come out approximately? |
| 13:02.43 | amt0101 | Mephisto, 3 years ago |
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| 13:03.01 | Mephisto | amt0101, then it should work on Squeeze. |
| 13:03.10 | davidgul | how can i enable taping with Elantech Touchpad in debian ? |
| 13:03.10 | Mephisto | amt0101, you can try Debian Live |
| 13:03.14 | Mephisto | if you don't wanna install anything. |
| 13:03.17 | amt0101 | Mephisto, Well I will try again to install squeeze and see if it "knows it". |
| 13:03.18 | Mephisto | you'll just boot up |
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| 13:03.33 | amt0101 | Whaa, great idea Mephisto, thank you! |
| 13:03.36 | Mephisto | amt0101, "Live" system is made for such things too, you don't have to install anything. |
| 13:03.39 | Mephisto | you're welcome :) |
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| 13:05.15 | rly | I have an nfs mount which is displayed by mount, but there aren't actually any files there. If I ssh to the directory where the files are supposed to be, they are there, so I am in the situation where it is 'mounted', except it isn't. |
| 13:05.24 | Mephisto | but there's solution for Lenny too... i can't find it at the moment, and internet sucks too for some reason.. but really, you shouldn't bother with that... basically it's some netinstall version made by some japanese guy that allows you to pass LAN check succesfully... it has drivers there... but it's only netinstall, and when you use your Lenny CD it doesn't recognize it. So you end up in a console anyway... |
| 13:05.26 | ChrisH | davidgul: in Gnome its a option inside systemcontrol |
| 13:05.53 | thewanderer1 | rly, crossmnt? |
| 13:05.57 | rly | How can I see on which machine a particular directory is? |
| 13:06.05 | davidgul | chrisH: and if i use xfce |
| 13:06.05 | rly | thewanderer1: how can I check that? |
| 13:06.08 | davidgul | ? |
| 13:06.15 | Mephisto | amt0101, i didn't have the patience to do all the stuff, hehe :) So i dunno if that's a good solution.. i only know that it's one of the alleged solutions. |
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| 13:06.28 | ChrisH | rly: df -h . anything in messages|syslog|dmesg ? |
| 13:06.31 | davidgul | ChrisH: and if i use xfce |
| 13:06.53 | thewanderer1 | rly, see /etc/exports on the server, find the options, it should be exported with "crossmnt" if the "empty" dir is on a different filesystem (for example bindmounted) |
| 13:07.09 | ChrisH | davidgul: That I have no idea... I just found the Gnome way some days ago. |
| 13:07.31 | ChrisH | rly:are you testing as root? |
| 13:07.54 | skilz | If possible, how can I set a password in grub for when I select what to boot? |
| 13:07.59 | davidgul | how can i enable taping with Elantech Touchpad in debian ? some one |
| 13:08.58 | rly | ChrisH: df -h . shows something of the format othermachine:/whatever, but it doesn't list the available space correctly. |
| 13:09.10 | rly | ChrisH: yes |
| 13:09.23 | Mephisto | can anyone tell me why in Gnome and KDE i have problem of reading some media? Mostly CD's :) |
| 13:09.34 | Mephisto | it's not that they are not read, they just hang the system for a while |
| 13:09.47 | Mephisto | there's something ON them that makes the system halt |
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| 13:10.23 | ChrisH | rly:Please paste the following somewhere. df -h . ; showmount -e SERVER ; rpcinfo -p SERVER ; complete or parts from fstab and exports (Serverside) |
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| 13:11.06 | Mephisto | so yeah, i have to wait for about a minute till the system gets unfrozen |
| 13:11.21 | Mephisto | it's only SOME discs. |
| 13:11.29 | Mephisto | and there's nothing special about them. |
| 13:11.35 | Mephisto | in xfce/lxde there's no problem. |
| 13:11.45 | Mephisto | it's only on Gnome/KDE.. |
| 13:11.48 | ChrisH | Mephisto: messages? dmesg? other logs? |
| 13:11.58 | Mephisto | yep.. let me show you... |
| 13:12.08 | Mephisto | have to reproduce it though.. sorry.. should've prepared in advance. |
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| 13:13.55 | Mephisto | by the way... system halts not when i just inserts the media.. but when i CLICK on the icon to open it up. |
| 13:13.59 | Mephisto | insert* |
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| 13:14.23 | Mephisto | now.. in process... logs are soon to be generated.. |
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| 13:15.20 | radio_hiss | Richard Stallman Kochi/INDIA talk http://www.rmsinkmea.in/ |
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| 13:16.02 | davidgul | how can i install dkms.conf file |
| 13:16.02 | davidgul | ? |
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| 13:16.24 | radio_hiss | Richard Stallman INDIA talk schedule http://www.fsf.org/events/rms-speeches.html |
| 13:16.47 | Mephisto | http://pastebin.com/inPCru1B |
| 13:16.48 | Mephisto | there ya go. |
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| 13:17.48 | rly | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/151667/ |
| 13:18.14 | Mephisto | then after i waited everything's fine, i can browse the media without no problems. |
| 13:18.18 | Mephisto | it's just that i have to wait. |
| 13:18.19 | ChrisH | Mephisto: These are HW related messages. I cannot belive its only in Gnome or KDE |
| 13:18.30 | Mephisto | ChrisH, it is. |
| 13:19.07 | Mephisto | ChrisH, i know that's weird, but i never had this in XFCE. Yet maybe i did get some error logs even in xfce/lxde, but at the very least i didn't have to check cause everything was fine, no halts, no freezups, nothing. |
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| 13:20.12 | ChrisH | rly: OK. now please nfsstat -m and nfstat -c .... I see NFS V4 offered by the server.. BTW Is the NFS Verser Solaris by chance? |
| 13:20.48 | rly | ChrisH: everything is Debian. |
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| 13:23.21 | rly | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/151668/ |
| 13:23.23 | deni | hi there.....can anyone tell me how much disk space does a debian squeeze apt mirrot eat up (cca) ? |
| 13:23.46 | ChrisH | rly: The only severe problems with NFS I had in the past 15 years were: * NFS V4 Solaris vs. Linux (both directions). * improper Nameresolution * NFS over UDP over Switches with low UDP buffer configured. * unexpected "root-squash" |
| 13:23.46 | deni | i have a lvm partition that's 50Gb and it seems full... |
| 13:24.08 | themill | !mirror size |
| 13:24.08 | dpkg | To see the size of the Debian archive for each architecture, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/size . To make your own mirror, ask me about <mirrors>. |
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| 13:24.20 | themill | deni: (do you actually want a mirror?) |
| 13:24.40 | abrotman | seriously doubts it |
| 13:24.53 | ChrisH | rly: You are running NFS V4... I would umount /nedf/HExt4 and mount using -o vers=3 :=) |
| 13:24.54 | deni | themill: tnx.....yes we have one inside our organization |
| 13:25.03 | deni | just was unsure about the disk space |
| 13:25.11 | abrotman | deni: jwhat's wrong with a proxy? like approx or apt-cacher ? |
| 13:25.47 | deni | cuase this way all the machines under out network don't need to go downloading elsewhere |
| 13:25.58 | deni | it's faster :) |
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| 13:26.07 | abrotman | deni: do you understand what a proxy is? |
| 13:26.18 | deni | abrotman: yes |
| 13:26.41 | abrotman | with something like approx, you only download the packages you need *once*, and all machines can use it .. and instead of a 90GB mirror, you have like a 10GB proxy cache |
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| 13:27.16 | deni | abrotman: yep.....but it's already set up before i even got here....apt-mirror that is |
| 13:27.18 | Mephisto | another question concerning ATI |
| 13:27.20 | abrotman | a million times better and easier than a mirror |
| 13:27.23 | Mephisto | though i've asked it above. |
| 13:27.32 | abrotman | and *way* more efficient in most cases |
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| 13:27.51 | abrotman | deni: is your mirror working correctly? |
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| 13:28.25 | ChrisH | apt-proxy seems not to be maintained. Use apt-cacher or apt-cacher-ng instead |
| 13:28.28 | rly | ChrisH: I am not specifying the version anywhere. |
| 13:28.29 | deni | abrotman: true...but like i said it's already set up i only need to expand the lvm partition....it should be fine.. |
| 13:28.37 | rly | ChrisH: is version 3 the default then? |
| 13:28.40 | deni | abrotman: it seems to work fine yes....no problems so far |
| 13:28.56 | abrotman | deni: .. except being out of HDD space and not having a full mirror? |
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| 13:29.09 | ChrisH | rly: NFS defaults to the highest possible version, if you do not restrict it. |
| 13:29.10 | rly | ChrisH: don't you mean -o vers=4 then? |
| 13:29.13 | deni | abrotman: it's not out yet |
| 13:29.26 | Mephisto | i've upgraded ATI from backports from 10.9 to 11.4, all fine except when i type in "aticonfig --initial" it brings this: |
| 13:29.27 | Mephisto | http://pastebin.com/x6aLDGeN |
| 13:29.34 | Mephisto | is that ok? |
| 13:29.35 | ChrisH | rly: You ARE using Version 4 and it does not work. |
| 13:29.45 | deni | abrotman: tnx for the help |
| 13:29.48 | abrotman | deni: did you see themill's link above? if you mirror only binaries for one arch, for one release of Debian .. it's over 30GB |
| 13:29.56 | Mephisto | by the way... also when i check Catalyst CC it says that it's 10.9 for some reason.. but it's really 11.4/ |
| 13:30.10 | rly | ChrisH: how can I see which nfs client version I have? |
| 13:30.16 | deni | abrotman: yes, just amd64 |
| 13:30.43 | themill | deni: you also need "all" and if you're making this available to others, you probably should carry "source" too |
| 13:30.47 | rly | ChrisH: also, why doesn't it just autogenotiate about the protocol like tons of other protocols do? |
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| 13:31.06 | deni | themill: it just for out internal organization |
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| 13:31.18 | abrotman | deni: be aware you're also wasting bandwidth donated to Debian .. not just wasting your own |
| 13:31.21 | deni | but i'll expand the lvm to 100gb that should be enough |
| 13:31.34 | themill | deni: are you restricting this to "stable"? |
| 13:31.44 | ChrisH | rly: IT does negotiate to version 4 but you want to force version 3 |
| 13:31.52 | deni | abrotman: by downloadgin the whole mirror? |
| 13:31.56 | abrotman | themill: what happens when whezy is released? do you think all boxes will upgrade at once |
| 13:32.03 | rly | ChrisH: I don't want to do that. Where do you think I have configured that? |
| 13:32.07 | deni | themill: not just stable.....backports as wwell |
| 13:32.07 | abrotman | deni: yes .. unless you use every single package |
| 13:32.34 | abrotman | a proxy is more efficient in so many ways |
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| 13:32.38 | deni | abrotman: i agree that a proxy would be better and more efficient |
| 13:32.45 | rly | ChrisH: or do you mean that I should configure it for version 3, just because 4 doesn't work? |
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| 13:33.00 | abrotman | deni: and i know approx takes about five minutes to setup .. probably less than it would take you to expand your lvm partition |
| 13:33.10 | deni | abrotman: i'll put that on my todo list....but it's gonna be a bit down on the list....i'm jam packed |
| 13:33.17 | rly | ChrisH: but I would say it is an actual software bug then, since 'if 4 doesn't work, it should automatically try 3'. |
| 13:33.23 | deni | abrotman: really? |
| 13:33.35 | abrotman | (setup on the server, you could probably munge what it presents to clients to match their current ssources) |
| 13:33.38 | jelly | rly: fsvo "doesn't work" |
| 13:33.59 | jelly | rly: does the server advertise v4, for example |
| 13:34.02 | ChrisH | rly: I am not willing to discuss on that. Mount did work, so its fine for the NFS. |
| 13:34.21 | ChrisH | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/151667/ It does. |
| 13:34.29 | deni | abrotman: can i just switch it from from the mirror to the proxy? what do i need to change on the "clients" |
| 13:34.36 | abrotman | deni: you install it, tell approx where to get packages for whatever you want to proxy, then change the sources.list on the client (or be smart and create your proxy to effectively look like a real repo, but i probably wouldn't do that) |
| 13:34.43 | rly | ChrisH: so, then why am I still not seeing any files? |
| 13:34.52 | abrotman | that was a sarcastic 'smart' .. sorry |
| 13:34.57 | rly | ChrisH: (this configuration did work a few days ago) |
| 13:35.07 | ChrisH | rly: Did you change to vers 3 ? |
| 13:35.07 | deni | abrotman: it wouldn't be that hard to change all the sources.list files |
| 13:35.18 | deni | abrotman: but i would rather avoid if i can cna |
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| 13:35.27 | deni | and just sort of hotplug this |
| 13:35.45 | ChrisH | deni: apt-cacher-ng allows what you refer to. Check manual |
| 13:36.09 | ChrisH | deni: apt-cacher-ng allows what you refer to. Check manual Or at least I understood the manual that way :) |
| 13:36.13 | abrotman | deni: there are many different proxy mechanisms availale .. i just prefer approx |
| 13:36.25 | rly | ChrisH: you mean as a mount option or as an export option? |
| 13:37.02 | abrotman | deni: i used it for multiple architectures and multiple releases without issue .. though only Debian, but I've read that you can present all sorts of Debain/apt based stuff via approx |
| 13:37.11 | ChrisH | rly: mount -o vers=3 .... |
| 13:37.15 | deni | ChrisH: abrotman tnx |
| 13:37.17 | rly | ChrisH: changing the mount option appears to work. |
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| 13:38.09 | ChrisH | NFS V4 seems to work inside Solaris system.... Most customers I saw switched back to NFS V3 |
| 13:38.30 | rly | Why does Debian even release NFS V4, when it doesn't work? |
| 13:38.54 | deni | abrotman: wouldn't i get like loads of apt-get errors if the mirror was uncomplete? |
| 13:39.03 | ChrisH | Because Sun did it too. |
| 13:39.22 | rly | ChrisH: but Oracle has no reason to make it work for other OSs. |
| 13:39.31 | rly | ChrisH: so, assuming that it works anywhere else is stupid. |
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| 13:40.09 | jelly | rly: Debian does not offer bugless software or promise bug-free work. The best you can get from Debian is that no _reported_ critical bugs will exist at the time of the release. |
| 13:40.26 | thewanderer1 | rly, well, NFSv4 works for me just fine |
| 13:40.36 | rly | thewanderer1: with which systems? |
| 13:40.42 | thewanderer1 | Squeeze, Wheezy and Sid |
| 13:40.42 | rly | thewanderer1: two times Squeeze? |
| 13:40.46 | rly | thewanderer1: ok |
| 13:40.50 | rly | thewanderer1: odd. |
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| 13:41.03 | thewanderer1 | I sometimes run into incompatibilities between stable/sid, but nothing that can't be fixed |
| 13:41.04 | jelly | rly: so, if you configured your server and client for nfs v4 correctly, and it fails to work, check the BTS and file a bug if it's not present. |
| 13:41.15 | deni | abrotman: but what the numbers show is that it could be incomplete.....i missread the sheet the first time |
| 13:41.16 | ChrisH | rly: give it a rtry and remount again with vers=4 maybe it does work again well. |
| 13:41.28 | abrotman | deni: not in the slightest .. the first requestor gets a 'slow' link .. as your proxy downloads the package itself .. then all of the others go as fast as your proxy/network allow |
| 13:41.48 | deni | abrotman: no, i mean, reagarding the mirror i have |
| 13:41.52 | deni | and the disk space i don't have |
| 13:41.55 | deni | :) |
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| 13:42.43 | abrotman | deni: if your mirror is incomplete, your mirror wil present a Packages.gz to your clients with URLs .. then your clients will attempt to download packages that don't exist on your mirror |
| 13:42.45 | themill | deni: those numbers are for {old,}stable{,-proposed-updates,-updates}, testing, unstable, experimental. |
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| 13:43.46 | rly | ChrisH: when I 'cd' to it, it just hangs. |
| 13:43.56 | rly | ChrisH: when I ssh to it, it works fine. |
| 13:44.02 | rly | ChrisH: so vers=3 for me. |
| 13:44.06 | rly | ChrisH: thanks for your help. |
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| 13:44.33 | abrotman | dpkg: dstats stable |
| 13:44.44 | abrotman | bleh .. still broken |
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| 13:46.16 | deni | themill: so if all is 58GB and i'm just using stable it's less than that? |
| 13:46.27 | deni | how the hell did it end up filling the 50GB partition then |
| 13:46.30 | deni | :D |
| 13:46.43 | Mephisto | deni, probably some app leak |
| 13:46.55 | abrotman | Mephisto: leaking onto his HDD ? |
| 13:47.01 | Mephisto | deni, i had similar with skype. It was just trashing up the space. |
| 13:47.05 | Mephisto | abrotman, yep |
| 13:47.17 | abrotman | Mephisto: are you serious? |
| 13:47.19 | deni | Mephisto: i don't think that's what it is..... |
| 13:47.19 | Mephisto | until i found what exactly was ejaculating stuff so to speak |
| 13:47.22 | Mephisto | yep. |
| 13:47.30 | abrotman | deni: it's over 30GB per arch per release |
| 13:47.34 | deni | I think that you talking about apt cache on the client |
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| 13:47.38 | abrotman | Mephisto: that's not an app leak |
| 13:47.51 | abrotman | deni: just for binary |
| 13:48.16 | deni | abrotman: tnx.. |
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| 13:48.45 | abrotman | deni: think about how many CDs there are for the binary stuff .. you're effectively mirroring that stuff, all of it |
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| 13:51.33 | rly | Is there also a way to run nfs in an encrypted way over the Internet? |
| 13:51.35 | deni | abrotman: true....sigh..... |
| 13:51.49 | deni | abrotman: more stuff to fix...yey |
| 13:51.55 | bolt | rly: ssh tunnel |
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| 13:52.00 | bolt | rly: consider sshfs then though |
| 13:52.16 | abrotman | deni: or use a proxy? :) |
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| 13:53.10 | rly | bolt: yeah, sshfs is likely better then. |
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| 13:54.38 | Bartzy | rmmod pcspkr doesn't do it |
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| 14:10.03 | nGc | :P |
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| 14:11.19 | abrotman | Bartzy: /msg dpkg bell .. maybe? |
| 14:11.20 | serega_by | Hi all. How I can get from `dpkg -l apache*` only second column ? |
| 14:11.30 | abrotman | serega_by: cut or awk |
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| 14:11.48 | serega_by | pwk? |
| 14:12.13 | Bartzy | abrotman: It happens in chrome and in Xchat for example. xset will fix that ? :\ |
| 14:12.55 | abrotman | Bartzy: sorry, assumed text input to be a shell |
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| 14:13.16 | serega_by | thanks, it works |
| 14:13.25 | Bartzy | abrotman: So no idea ? It's extremely annoying :\ |
| 14:13.30 | abrotman | Bartzy: no controls in the apps to turn off sounds? |
| 14:13.31 | Bartzy | and hurtful when using headphones. |
| 14:14.40 | Bartzy | abrotman: Not that I see |
| 14:14.45 | Bartzy | I think it's something system-wide |
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| 14:15.03 | abrotman | so maybe give some details about your system? like at least your DE or WM ? |
| 14:15.07 | Bartzy | /usr/bin/xkbbell - when running this it makes this bell sound |
| 14:15.14 | Bartzy | Gnome, metacity |
| 14:15.15 | Bartzy | squeeze |
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| 14:17.22 | rly | Nautilus has crashed. How can I get my desktop back? |
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| 14:17.46 | rly | The annoying part of this bug is that it was reported over 2.5 years ago already in Ubuntu. |
| 14:18.04 | rly | Naturally the Ubuntu people said 'it was incomplete'. |
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| 14:18.19 | rly | Sure, if you deny all of reality, then indeed no problem exists. |
| 14:18.49 | rly | Ah, and another from 2008. |
| 14:19.33 | henry-nicolas | Hello everybody, I did recently upgrade a server from lenny to squeeze (yeah, I know, I'm late :)) and snmp appears to be quite broken. Lots of error messages, I installed snmp-mibs-downloader, export MIBS=ALL and have nothing in /etc/snmp/snmp.conf but yet, I got syntax error in IETF files (http://pastebin.com/RuPigqmW), any way to get this fixed? It's breaking some of my scripts and I suspect it's also the cause of some cacti |
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| 14:21.01 | abrotman | rly: just run it again .. also, less enter key please |
| 14:22.36 | Bartzy | abrotman: Yay! xset b off solved it |
| 14:22.41 | rly | abrotman: if I run it again, nothing appears to happen. |
| 14:23.21 | Bartzy | abrotman: Where can I specify 'set b off' so it will be the default ? |
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| 14:23.23 | rly | abrotman: even nautilus --no-desktop doesn't do anything. |
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| 14:25.05 | abrotman | rly: kill it, restart it |
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| 14:25.34 | abrotman | Bartzy: uhm, your .xsession or .xinitrc ? |
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| 14:25.55 | Bartzy | abrotman: Can I make it global for all users ? |
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| 14:26.20 | abrotman | Bartzy: perhaps .. lookin /etc/X11/ for a good place |
| 14:26.43 | rly | abrotman: : wow, it restarted after about 10 minutes on an SSD. How is that even possible? |
| 14:27.09 | rly | a SSD* |
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| 14:27.47 | yunosh | hi, can aptitude be considered dead? |
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| 14:29.06 | abrotman | rly: might have been coring |
| 14:29.10 | DammitJim | yunosh, why do you say that? |
| 14:29.12 | abrotman | yunosh: uh, not even close .. why would you ask that ? |
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| 14:30.01 | yunosh | because it doesn't seem to have received any fixes or commits (beside translation updates) in months |
| 14:30.21 | t89_ | hi i want to install python 2.7, should i just go ahead and make install or should i remove python 2.5 with apt-get ? |
| 14:30.28 | abrotman | where have you checked ? just the sid version ? |
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| 14:30.45 | yunosh | i checked the git tree |
| 14:31.03 | frostschutz | t89_: install 2.7 with apt-get |
| 14:31.16 | yunosh | but bugs.debian.org and launchpad doesn't look good either |
| 14:31.23 | abrotman | yunosh: it's entirely possible the main author has chagines on his site .. but no, not dead |
| 14:31.30 | t89_ | frostschutz, it appears to only have 2.5.2 |
| 14:32.09 | abrotman | yunosh: IIRC, it's primarily one person .. maybe he got a bit busy .. never can tell |
| 14:32.10 | yunosh | well, good to know :) i'll keep hoping for bug fixes then |
| 14:32.13 | abrotman | but no, aptitude is far from dead |
| 14:32.23 | abrotman | yunosh: you can send fixes/patches if that's something you can do |
| 14:32.41 | rly | abrotman: what does the word 'coring' mean? |
| 14:32.59 | abrotman | !core |
| 14:33.02 | abrotman | bleh |
| 14:33.02 | yunosh | unfortunately not. too buried into my own oss stuff already |
| 14:33.12 | frostschutz | t89_: even if that was true, you still should use apt-get (or dpkg) to install. if you use make install into the root fs you will never see the end of it. |
| 14:33.15 | abrotman | rly: it's crazshing and writing a dump file to disk |
| 14:33.23 | abrotman | yunosh: is horde dead? :) |
| 14:33.33 | t89_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.42 | frostschutz | t89_: but for something as popular as python there's bound to be a package (if not in stable or backport) already somewhere |
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| 14:34.30 | yunosh | abrotman: with 900 releases since april last year, rather not ;) |
| 14:34.38 | abrotman | yunosh: if you really need something, and you can submit a patch .. greatly appreciated |
| 14:34.45 | yunosh | sure |
| 14:34.47 | abrotman | yunosh: i was kidding .. i saw the new framework release |
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| 14:35.32 | yunosh | yeah, i figured. still had to answer though :) |
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| 14:35.52 | rly | abrotman: that usually takes less than one second, not 10 minutes. |
| 14:36.37 | abrotman | rly: usually |
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| 14:38.14 | jordanm | ,versions python |
| 14:38.15 | judd | Package: python on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.2-3; squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze6; sid: 2.7.2-9; wheezy: 2.7.2-9 |
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| 14:38.40 | t89_ | yes im using lenny |
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| 14:39.14 | jordanm | t89_: I don't think you are going to have any luck on lenny without breaking things. you could probably do an altinstall on squeeze |
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| 14:39.46 | jordanm | "make altinstall" |
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| 14:39.55 | abrotman | yunosh: if you look, a new version of aptitude was uloaded near the end of october .. not great, but not a year |
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| 14:40.04 | t89_ | oh hang on, i do have the option of debian 6.0 |
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| 14:40.55 | yunosh | abrotman: no upstream version though iirc |
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| 14:41.31 | abrotman | yunosh: he is upstream |
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| 14:41.53 | radio_hiss | Richard Stallman talks in Kanpur/INDIA <-> http://www.fsf.org/events/20120128-kanpur |
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| 14:42.02 | themill | radio_hiss: please stop that |
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| 14:42.38 | yunosh | abrotman: sorry? maybe i'm looking in the wrong place. but hte latest commits from daniel in debian's git repo are from july |
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| 14:42.57 | t89_ | ,versions python |
| 14:42.57 | judd | Package: python on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.2-3; squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze6; sid: 2.7.2-9; wheezy: 2.7.2-9 |
| 14:43.21 | radio_hiss | themill, dude |
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| 14:43.30 | praecox | ,versions linux-kernel |
| 14:43.30 | judd | No package named 'linux-kernel' was found in i386. |
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| 14:43.37 | praecox | ,versions linux-kernel-2.6 |
| 14:43.38 | themill | t89_: are you sure you actually need python2.7? There aren't really enough differences between python2.6 and 2.7 to make it worthwhile in most cases. |
| 14:43.38 | judd | No package named 'linux-kernel-2.6' was found in i386. |
| 14:43.48 | bolt | praecox: image |
| 14:43.51 | themill | ,kernels |
| 14:43.51 | t89_ | themill, you're right i think i only need 2.6 |
| 14:43.52 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.8-1); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.6-1); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 14:43.54 | themill | praecox: ^^ |
| 14:43.58 | praecox | oh, thx. |
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| 14:44.12 | t89_ | also i just noticed this server does have the option of debian 6.0 ._. |
| 14:44.16 | praecox | ,xen kernels |
| 14:44.17 | t89_ | re-installing now |
| 14:44.24 | praecox | ,kernels xen |
| 14:44.25 | judd | (kernels [--release <squeeze>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
| 14:44.48 | bolt | please msg the bot, praecox? |
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| 14:45.38 | praecox | bolt, ok, sorry. |
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| 14:46.41 | t89_ | thanks for your time guys |
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| 14:47.23 | made_in_USSR | hello |
| 14:47.30 | made_in_USSR | how do you do? |
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| 14:49.55 | abrotman | yunosh: from daniel .. doesn't mean others haven't .. but the PTS shows an upload in october |
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| 14:50.25 | bolt | !greet made_in_USSR |
| 14:50.26 | dpkg | Hello, made_in_USSR |
| 14:51.22 | yunosh | abrotman: isn't that just a re-upload or something? (trying to understand release building in debian) i expect that any release changes would show up in debian's git too |
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| 14:51.36 | made_in_USSR | hello |
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| 14:51.58 | made_in_USSR | i'm from is Russia Federation, are you??? |
| 14:52.08 | bubo | hi! i'm usiing wheezy on an x86_64 machine and want to cross-compile an ARM kernel (ti-omap2). is this possible? i've installed all the emdebian stuff, binutils-mutliarch etc. but there does not seem to be a compiler for the target? do i have to compile gcc from source to get one? |
| 14:52.17 | themill | made_in_USSR: perhaps you wanted #defocus for social chatter |
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| 14:53.45 | made_in_USSR | and here are talking about? |
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| 14:54.30 | bolt | made_in_USSR: in #debian we talk about, and support, Debian. a linux distribution |
| 14:54.53 | made_in_USSR | oh understood |
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| 14:57.51 | petern_ | hi, does debootstrap honour http_proxy? |
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| 15:00.35 | abrotman | yunosh: he still might have his own git locally? |
| 15:00.52 | themill | petern_: it uses wget to do the downloading |
| 15:00.59 | petern_ | ah |
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| 15:04.45 | ciuffo | ciao a tutti |
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| 15:13.27 | mutante | about the "planetplanet"(.org) software: it says it was "originally developed for planet.debian". If that is the case shouldn't there be .deb packages to install it? or do i have to build one myself from the .tar.bz2 ? hrmm |
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| 15:16.32 | mutante | ah ok, in lenny but not anymore. the planet version is still 2.x though and still latest.. may use that on Ubuntu lucid |
| 15:16.50 | yunosh | abrotman: yeah, sure. but doesn't debian at least import the latest release into its own git when building one? |
| 15:17.03 | themill | mutante: developed for planet.debian.net != packaged for debian, but see planet-venus |
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| 15:18.06 | mutante | themill: thanks! |
| 15:18.39 | abrotman | loop: stop that |
| 15:19.03 | abrotman | yunosh: unsure .. since he's upstream and DD, he might decide how that happens |
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| 15:19.56 | yunosh | abrotman: i expected this would be some debian policy or even happen automatically. guess not. :) |
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| 15:32.01 | BitPuffin | I could use some help.. I want to change my sources for packages to unstable so I get some newer software |
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| 15:32.21 | BitPuffin | which one is it I should edit? |
| 15:33.09 | dvs | !backports |
| 15:33.09 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 15:33.12 | BitPuffin | change "squeeze main" to "squeeze unstable" on the first two? |
| 15:33.34 | ksuhku | not a good idea |
| 15:33.40 | themill | BitPuffin: no |
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| 15:33.59 | BitPuffin | well this isn't on my server so the software doesn't have to be bug free |
| 15:34.19 | themill | what are you really trying to do |
| 15:34.31 | efaistos | hi |
| 15:34.33 | BitPuffin | get newer versions of software? |
| 15:34.40 | dvs | sns? |
| 15:34.42 | BitPuffin | for kdenlive for example |
| 15:34.43 | themill | try again |
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| 15:35.05 | BitPuffin | http://kdenlive.org/user-manual/downloading-and-installing-kdenlive/pre-compiled-packages/debian-packages |
| 15:35.09 | BitPuffin | they even say so themselves |
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| 15:35.29 | efaistos | is there a way to get information about the memory of a server ... I need to know if it's udimm or rdimm ones ... and dmidecode doesnt provide that kind of information |
| 15:35.30 | themill | BitPuffin: there's lots of crap on the web... that doesn't make it good advice to follow |
| 15:35.42 | BitPuffin | no I know |
| 15:35.46 | BitPuffin | I wouldn't do this on my server |
| 15:36.40 | themill | BitPuffin: they're telling you how to get kdenlive 0.7.7; you already have 0.7.8 |
| 15:36.59 | BitPuffin | in the main repo? |
| 15:37.07 | themill | yes |
| 15:37.18 | abrotman | holy god .. that website is awful .. should be taken down |
| 15:37.35 | BitPuffin | latest version is 0.8.2.1 though |
| 15:38.00 | themill | BitPuffin: that doesn't mean that it's easy to run on debian stable |
| 15:38.10 | Bartzy | Is there a tool that goes through 2 directories and outputs the files/directories that are in the 1st but not in the 2nd ? |
| 15:38.20 | themill | Bartzy: diff |
| 15:38.20 | BitPuffin | I guess |
| 15:38.52 | Bartzy | themill: diff shows the differences between the actual files. I only need to know if they're there or not |
| 15:38.54 | themill | Bartzy: are you assuming that if the file is present then it is the same? |
| 15:39.02 | Bartzy | themill: Yes |
| 15:39.49 | abrotman | Bartzy: diff,cmp,even comm |
| 15:39.51 | BitPuffin | by the way I installed the AMD hd 4850 properitary (on a second partition because I know it is filled with terrible) hoping that the latest release would make the drivers a bit better |
| 15:39.53 | BitPuffin | but guess what |
| 15:39.56 | BitPuffin | it's even worse |
| 15:40.04 | BitPuffin | un believable |
| 15:40.15 | BitPuffin | unbelievable |
| 15:40.17 | BitPuffin | Ä |
| 15:40.22 | themill | Bartzy: find into a couple of different temp files and then use comm |
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| 15:40.29 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 15:40.33 | Bartzy | themill: OK, thanks. |
| 15:40.43 | BitPuffin | Can't they just open source the drivers? jeez |
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| 15:41.52 | Bartzy | themill: What's the difference between diff and cmp? I know that diff can see differences between binary files so..? |
| 15:42.11 | dvs | BitPuffin: I have an HD 4850 on my other machine with the open source driver and it works perfectly fine. |
| 15:42.28 | BitPuffin | Yeah the open source driver works well |
| 15:42.32 | BitPuffin | but the properitary hell no |
| 15:42.42 | BitPuffin | dvs, problem is that I want hardware acceleration |
| 15:43.10 | ksuhku | buy intel |
| 15:43.12 | dvs | BitPuffin: I get about 2500 fps with glxgears |
| 15:43.19 | BitPuffin | glxgears? |
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| 15:44.16 | BitPuffin | kdenlive wants me to upgrade to latest MLT version |
| 15:44.17 | dvs | BitPuffin: it's a program you can run to approximate how fast your graphics card is. |
| 15:44.32 | abrotman | BitPuffin: which kdenlive? |
| 15:44.44 | BitPuffin | the regular one in the repo |
| 15:44.54 | abrotman | dvs: or if yu're in software mode, how fast your CPU is ? :) |
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| 15:45.05 | abrotman | BitPuffin: apt-cache policy kdenlive .. paste it somewhere |
| 15:45.11 | BitPuffin | 3.0 ghz |
| 15:45.14 | BitPuffin | dual |
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| 15:45.45 | BitPuffin | http://pastebin.com/a5iT3bTt |
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| 15:46.12 | BitPuffin | dvs, I tried running the game nightsky with open source drivers. Get live 0.001 fps |
| 15:46.13 | johnfg | I'd like to be able to use my HP Officejet J6480 with sane and friends. It looks like there should be a hpoj backend, but I'm not seeing it. It's for every officejet hp's got probably. Anyone got this working? |
| 15:46.49 | BitPuffin | Also I can't get it to stop running I wanna kill it |
| 15:46.56 | BitPuffin | how do I list the current processes in the terminal? |
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| 15:47.13 | man_in_shack | waves |
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| 15:47.38 | man_in_shack | what's the current preferred method for installing i386 packages on amd64 distro? |
| 15:47.43 | man_in_shack | i.e. for testing/unstable |
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| 15:48.01 | ksuhku | BitPuffin, ps -A ? |
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| 15:48.44 | dvs | BitPuffin: do you have the firmware-linux-nonfree package installed? |
| 15:48.56 | BitPuffin | kill -9 mohaha |
| 15:49.04 | BitPuffin | dvs, what's that? |
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| 15:49.18 | BitPuffin | thanks ksuhku |
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| 15:49.40 | dvs | BitPuffin: firmware needed to make the free drivers to go faster. |
| 15:49.41 | ksuhku | BitPuffin, np |
| 15:49.59 | BitPuffin | dvs, oh? do I just apt-get it? |
| 15:50.02 | BitPuffin | or wajig |
| 15:50.10 | dvs | yes |
| 15:50.19 | dvs | but you need non-free |
| 15:50.32 | dvs | !non-free |
| 15:50.32 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system run "aptitude search '~i~snon-free'". For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 15:50.51 | BitPuffin | E: Unable to locate package firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 15:51.11 | BitPuffin | abrotman, did you see the paste? |
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| 15:51.37 | dvs | !tell BitPuffin abour non-free sources |
| 15:51.59 | dvs | !tell BitPuffin about non-free sources |
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| 15:52.44 | cabrilo | hello all |
| 15:52.54 | BitPuffin | I thought you were trying to insult me initially because ! flips it so it's don't tell.. haha, I think to much about code :( |
| 15:53.02 | BitPuffin | hey cabrilo |
| 15:53.14 | cabrilo | I need to install debian on a machine for which I don't have a monitor (no option of getting one, really) |
| 15:53.22 | cabrilo | how would I go about that? |
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| 15:53.34 | jordanm | !FAI |
| 15:53.35 | dpkg | Fully Automatic Installation (FAI) is an automated tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux (and other distributions) on a bunch of different hosts or a cluster. It is more flexible than tools like <kickstart> (Red Hat), autoyast and alice (SuSE) or jumpstart (Sun Solaris). FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. http://fai-project.org/ #fai on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 15:54.16 | cabrilo | jordanm: sounds good, thank you |
| 15:54.22 | BitPuffin | dvs, maybe it's without about or something |
| 15:54.31 | BitPuffin | !hey |
| 15:54.31 | dpkg | Hello |
| 15:54.40 | BitPuffin | didn't think that would work but oh well |
| 15:55.01 | SVNDR | my turn |
| 15:55.02 | SVNDR | !hey |
| 15:55.02 | dpkg | Hello |
| 15:55.06 | SVNDR | :D |
| 15:55.08 | SVNDR | amusing |
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| 15:55.14 | BitPuffin | oh it pm'd me |
| 15:55.15 | cabrilo | jordanm: I just hope BIOS is set up to boot from CD :) |
| 15:55.22 | SVNDR | !bye |
| 15:55.22 | dpkg | Cya, svndr |
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| 15:55.26 | SVNDR | hehehe |
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| 15:56.17 | SVNDR | !goodmorning |
| 15:56.21 | SVNDR | :( |
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| 15:57.14 | jordanm | cabrilo: FAI will use PXE. so hopefully is setup to boot from the network :) |
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| 15:57.39 | cabrilo | jordanm: I am looking at this: http://fai-project.org/fai-cd/ |
| 15:57.41 | BitPuffin | okay now I've installed firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 15:57.56 | jordanm | cabrilo: oh, I have never used the CD |
| 15:58.08 | abrotman | BitPuffin: sorry, missed it |
| 15:58.09 | cabrilo | because I'm pretty sure network boot is not default on this machine |
| 15:58.16 | jordanm | cabrilo: without even a serial console, you really don't know if it has worked |
| 15:58.21 | BitPuffin | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/a5iT3bTt |
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| 15:58.29 | jordanm | cabrilo: its a tough one |
| 15:58.32 | BitPuffin | dvs, is there anything else I need to do? |
| 15:58.40 | BitPuffin | or can I just run a game now and it will run awesome |
| 15:58.41 | ksx4system | where can I find full documentation for apt.conf/apt.conf.d? |
| 15:58.51 | ksx4system | i need it urgently |
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| 15:59.06 | abrotman | BitPuffin: make sure your system is fully up todate |
| 15:59.08 | cabrilo | jordanm: actually, what I need is some sort of a live-cd with ssh started by default |
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| 15:59.22 | ksx4system | (lol, probably I'll never see an answer... it's almost impossible to get help here) |
| 15:59.46 | themill | ksx4system: man 5 apt.conf |
| 15:59.52 | BitPuffin | abrotman, I think it is. I did wajig update (apt-get update), there's nothing else right? |
| 15:59.53 | jordanm | cabrilo: I am pretty sure grml does that, but there is no password by default so it won't allow a login |
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| 16:00.21 | jordanm | cabrilo: there is grml-live which uses FAI to build your own livecd |
| 16:00.24 | ksx4system | themill: it's not full documentation, there's nothing about what I need to do |
| 16:00.38 | foobar3j | Hello, how can I install xchat from the terminal? (if I do apt-get install xchat I get package not found). I just migrated from a debian based distro to debian squeeze 6.0.3 amt64. Thanks! |
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| 16:00.46 | themill | ksx4system: how about asking about what you actually need to do then |
| 16:00.57 | colo-work | foobar3j, I think the package is called xchat2 |
| 16:00.58 | petemc | foobar3j: apt-cache search xchat |
| 16:01.00 | BitPuffin | abrotman, still getting please upgrade MLT |
| 16:01.00 | cabrilo | jordanm: I'll read more about it |
| 16:01.17 | cabrilo | jordanm: but right now, borrowing somebody's monitor sounds like the best solution :) |
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| 16:01.33 | Maxou56800 | yo |
| 16:01.53 | foobar3j | petemc: In the root terminal, apt-cache search xchat doesn't return nothing. |
| 16:02.11 | ksx4system | themill: I did few times, with no or useless answer. I'd like to move pkgcache.bin and srcpkgcache.bin to ram and preferably mount /var/cache/apt/archives/partial as tmpfs in ram |
| 16:02.47 | petemc | foobar3j: your /etc/apt/sources.list may not be set up correctly |
| 16:02.49 | ksx4system | themill: Debian runs on a CF card so I'm trying to write as rarely as possible |
| 16:03.06 | themill | ksx4system: why not just set up /var/cache/apt as a tmpfs? |
| 16:03.13 | abrotman | BitPuffin: put the whole error in a pastebin |
| 16:03.14 | BitPuffin | abrotman, wajig install libmlt? |
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| 16:03.40 | foobar3j | petemc: the /etc/apt/sources.list is exactly as the debian setup installed it. Did no configuration to it. |
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| 16:03.59 | BitPuffin | abrotman, http://i.imgur.com/Nwc1C.png |
| 16:03.59 | ksx4system | themill: because I have only 256mb ram on this box and I can't upgrade. too small ammount for full package cache |
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| 16:04.57 | themill | ksx4system: no need to keep the full package cache; there's not much point in only pointing partial to a tmpfs though. I image a symlink would be persistent for that directory though |
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| 16:05.51 | ksx4system | themill: well, I don't understand what you exactly mean and I think you didn't understand me too |
| 16:06.31 | themill | ksx4system: why don't you disable *pkgcache.bin and mount a tmpfs on /var/cache/apt/archives/partial? |
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| 16:07.54 | ksx4system | themill: because I don't want to disable these bin files. I'd like to have them in ram. and as I said before, mounting .../archives/partial results with an error |
| 16:08.00 | ksx4system | themill: let me show you |
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| 16:09.01 | abrotman | BitPuffin: i have no idea where that's coming from |
| 16:09.02 | corpus | hello to all |
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| 16:09.09 | ksx4system | themill: I'm rebooting the box now, with .../archives/partial mounted as tmpfs via fstab |
| 16:09.21 | BitPuffin | abrotman, It seems as if I have MLT 3 even |
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| 16:10.09 | themill | ksx4system: if you're on a limited memory system, disabling them would be best. That said, you can change the location of Dir::Cache as apt.conf(5) explains. |
| 16:10.19 | abrotman | BitPuffin: seems like the package in Debia should have what it needs |
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| 16:11.29 | ksx4system | themill: http://paste.debian.net/151702/ |
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| 16:12.21 | BitPuffin | abrotman, the program works though, it's just strange that it's complaining |
| 16:12.26 | themill | ksx4system: I think line 34 of your paste tells us all we need to know. |
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| 16:12.54 | ksx4system | themill: really? that's this meaningless error. |
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| 16:16.07 | cwickert | where can I find info about the format of the output of "dpkg -l"? It's not in the manpage of dpkg afaics |
| 16:16.15 | dokma | I've got a spy camera mounted on my debian box, it has a file named profile.dat that probably contains some undocumented settings. What would be a good way to find out if the format is some well known format? |
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| 16:16.52 | ectospasm | I'm having a trouble selecting a font in Debian squeeze (Gnome2). No matter what I choose, the font is the generic Sans font. If I select Terminus, it says Terminus, but the rendered font is definitely not terminus. I can't switch back to gnome-terminal because of this... |
| 16:16.56 | threadlock | dokma: file? |
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| 16:16.58 | amphi | dokma: 'file profile.dat' |
| 16:17.15 | amphi | dokma: if it says 'data', it is not a well-known format |
| 16:17.24 | dokma | just returns data |
| 16:17.27 | amphi | at least as far as file(1) is concerned |
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| 16:17.32 | dokma | I see |
| 16:17.45 | dokma | that's what I was hoping wouldn't happen |
| 16:18.23 | amphi | a disheartening response, I agree |
| 16:18.35 | dokma | thanks anyway |
| 16:18.49 | dokma | otherwise it works well on my debian box |
| 16:19.07 | ectospasm | .dat files tend to be purely proprietary, good luck in finding an answer. You could try running the file through strings... |
| 16:19.12 | amphi | it may still be documented somewhere - file(1) isn't quite omniscient |
| 16:19.13 | ksx4system | themill: well, apt.conf(5) explains nothing. is there any *good* documentation for apt and its apt.conf? |
| 16:19.36 | dokma | ectospasm: there is very little data in it and just a few things are readable |
| 16:19.47 | dokma | those few things are the directory structure |
| 16:20.01 | themill | ksx4system: umm... apt.conf(5) explains this quite fine. What you want isn't possible and apparently no alternatives are viable for you either. |
| 16:20.51 | ksx4system | themill: well... can I then completely disable caching in /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 16:21.29 | BitPuffin | dvs, do I need to reboot for things to get good fps? |
| 16:21.35 | ectospasm | dokma: so strings doesn't return anything? |
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| 16:21.46 | themill | ksx4system: no, but you can point that to another filesystem |
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| 16:22.06 | dvs | BitPuffin: Yes, if you are no longer using the proprietary drivers. |
| 16:22.13 | mrc | hello |
| 16:22.33 | BitPuffin | dvs, I didn't install properitary drivers on my main install because I knew they make things unstable and all |
| 16:22.37 | mrc | I have problem with kde in debian |
| 16:22.54 | dvs | BitPuffin: Then a reboot is all you need. |
| 16:22.54 | coreman | i'm having trouble mounting my new 16gb flash drive in debian specifically. whenever i try to, i get this error message: "Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with: |
| 16:22.54 | ksx4system | themill: omg, I never thought that that apt is this bad... |
| 16:22.55 | coreman | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1, |
| 16:22.55 | coreman | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.55 | coreman | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.55 | coreman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:23.06 | mrc | i cant drag files to task bar like windows |
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| 16:23.31 | ksx4system | themill: well, I should think about getting another drive for this box (there's only one socket for one CF card but USB 2.0 is available) |
| 16:23.41 | jelly | mrc: what action is that supposed to result in? |
| 16:23.54 | jordanm | mrc: right click -> add to panel |
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| 16:24.15 | BitPuffin | cool I'll try it |
| 16:24.23 | themill | ksx4system: I've not actually seen you describe what the problem is here. Why is an apt cache a problem for you? |
| 16:24.53 | mrc | when I drag a file to task bar in windows running program goes up and drop file into it |
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| 16:25.33 | mrc | but in kde adds file like quick lunch in windows |
| 16:26.05 | ksx4system | themill: If you know difference between SLC and MLC chips based storage - I'm running fairly slow and MLC based (sector can die after 10k writes) CF card |
| 16:26.28 | ksx4system | themill: just like with SSD one should optimize writes as much as possible, move whatever possible to ram |
| 16:26.30 | ectospasm | How can I reset GNOME2 in Squeeze? I ran 'mv .gconf* .gnome2* backup/', restarted Gnome, but the GNOME2 font manager is still screwed up. Is there something I have to do at the system level to get it working? |
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| 16:26.44 | themill | ksx4system: right... and putting all of /var/cache/apt on tmpfs would do that |
| 16:27.11 | themill | ksx4system: and if you can't find downloaded .debs in ram (which is fair enough), then splitting partial off isn't going to help at all |
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| 16:27.56 | mrc | any idea?? |
| 16:28.46 | ksuhku | mrc, does kde task switch with alt+tab? |
| 16:29.01 | mrc | yes |
| 16:29.07 | ksuhku | in gnome i can drag & alt+tab and then drop |
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| 16:30.04 | themill | mrc: you need to drag and drop the thing onto the application, not its taskbar entry |
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| 16:30.20 | mekeor | i just installed debian without Xorg. now, after the installation, i want to install Xorg but i don't want to install unneccessary xorg-video-drivers which APT suggests me when i type "apt-get install xorg". so, how do i install Xorg best? |
| 16:30.38 | ksk | aptitude -R maybe? |
| 16:30.38 | jordanm | ah, this question again |
| 16:30.44 | mekeor | >.> |
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| 16:31.07 | jordanm | mekeor: xorg depends on all the video drivers. the downside to having all of them is around 2MB of storage |
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| 16:31.37 | mekeor | jordanm: so, i MUST install all video drivers? okay. thank you. |
| 16:31.53 | mekeor | jordanm: right? |
| 16:32.04 | themill | mekeor: you can install the driver you want and then install xorg |
| 16:32.15 | mekeor | ah. cool. |
| 16:32.47 | mrc | thx |
| 16:32.52 | mrc | good idea |
| 16:32.56 | ksuhku | jordanm, the additional downside is updates of the unneeded packages |
| 16:33.01 | jordanm | ,depends xserver-xorg |
| 16:33.02 | judd | Package xserver-xorg in squeeze/i386 -- depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.7), xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video-6, xserver-xorg-input-all | xserver-xorg-input-7, xserver-xorg-input-evdev, libc6 (>= 2.7), xkb-data (>= 1.4), x11-xkb-utils. |
| 16:33.15 | jordanm | depends on xserver-xorg-video-all |
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| 16:33.27 | themill | jordanm: | xserver-xorg-video-6 |
| 16:33.31 | mekeor | themill: works fine. thank you very much. |
| 16:33.36 | mekeor | jordanm: :P |
| 16:33.36 | themill | ,rprovides xserver-xorg-video-6 |
| 16:33.37 | judd | Package xserver-xorg-video-6 in squeeze/i386 is provided by: nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx, nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx, virtualbox-ose-guest-x11, xserver-xorg-video-apm, xserver-xorg-video-ark, xserver-xorg-video-ati, xserver-xorg-video-chips, xserver-xorg-video-cirrus, xserver-xorg-video-dummy, xserver-xorg-video-fbdev, xserver-xorg-video-geode, xserver-xorg-video-glamo, xserver-xorg-video-glide, |
| 16:33.39 | judd | xserver-xorg-video-glint, xserver-xorg-video-i128, xserver-xorg-video-i740, xserver-xorg-video-intel, xserver-xorg-video-ivtv, xserver-xorg-video-mach64, xserver-xorg-video-mga, xserver-xorg-video-neomagic, xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, xserver-xorg-video-nv, xserver-xorg-video-openchrome, xserver-xorg-video-qxl, xserver-xorg-video-r128, xserver-xorg-video-radeon, xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd, xserver-x |
| 16:34.08 | jordanm | ahooh |
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| 16:34.16 | johnfg | hi guys |
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| 16:35.03 | mekeor | johnfg: hi |
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| 16:35.16 | johnfg | ok, with a little work I found out that xsane will work, and does discover my officejet as root, but not as any other user. Seems like this is a dpkg install problem. |
| 16:35.21 | jordanm | packages=($(apt-cache show xserver-xorg-video-all | grep 'Depends:' | grep -o 'xserver.*' | tr ',' '\n')); for package in "${packages[@]}"; do apt-cache show "$package"; done | awk '/Installed-Size/ { i += $2 } END { print i / 1024 }' |
| 16:35.26 | jordanm | ok, it was 40MB |
| 16:35.44 | themill | jordanm: you're right that it's still not enough to worry about |
| 16:35.50 | johnfg | How do I fix it? |
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| 16:36.42 | Ypsy | Heya, I just updated my lenny vserver to squeeze and something weird happened. When logging in via ssh I only see a $ as prompt, no hostname or user. I can use it like before but keystrokes like arrow up or tab aren't working. Any ideas (Maybe update to dash?)? |
| 16:36.50 | johnfg | all in /etc/sane.d looks to be owner and group root, with permissions of 644. |
| 16:36.52 | jordanm | johnfg: there is a scanner group, you might need to be in it |
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| 16:37.03 | themill | Ypsy: is your shell /bin/sh or /bin/bash? |
| 16:37.16 | johnfg | jordanm, Ok, I'll try that. |
| 16:37.24 | jordanm | Ypsy: echo $0 |
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| 16:37.55 | Ypsy | sh |
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| 16:38.10 | jordanm | Ypsy: usermod -s /bin/bash <user> |
| 16:38.18 | ksx4system | themill: well, having full /var/cache/apt in ram works (needs a small script but still works) |
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| 16:39.01 | ksx4system | themill: how can I limit cache size? is it possible? |
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| 16:39.32 | Ypsy | hmm usermod not found jordanm |
| 16:39.46 | jordanm | Ypsy: as root |
| 16:39.48 | johnfg | jordanm, Should I add myself to saned group, too? |
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| 16:39.54 | Ypsy | whoops |
| 16:39.56 | valerie | I need to connect two LANs using VPN. What would be the best implementation of VPN? |
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| 16:40.07 | jordanm | johnfg: I am not sure if either are required. if its a desktop, shouldn't hurt anything |
| 16:40.09 | themill | Ypsy: or chsh as your user |
| 16:40.19 | johnfg | And is there something that has to be done after adding myself or should I be recognized immediately. |
| 16:40.31 | totte | I'm trying to run a script that has "#!/usr/bin/env zsh -f" in the beginning but on my Debian machine I get "/usr/bin/env: zsh -f: No such file or directory". Running "/usr/bin/env zsh -f" from the commandline works just fine though. What could be wrong? |
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| 16:40.42 | Ypsy | works again :) thanks guys! |
| 16:41.00 | jordanm | themill: interesting |
| 16:41.03 | jelly | totte: the code that does #! in kernel only deals with one parameter |
| 16:41.12 | jordanm | johnfg: you have to relog for new groups to take affect |
| 16:41.23 | cwickert | let me try again: where can I find info about the format of the output of "dpkg -l"? It's not in the manpage of dpkg afaics |
| 16:41.25 | johnfg | Ok, ttfn! |
| 16:41.42 | totte | jelly: So I can't have the -f flag in scripts? |
| 16:41.43 | jelly | totte: use #!/bin/zsh -f (or wherever the interpreter is really located) |
| 16:41.44 | coreman | I'm having trouble mounting my new 16GB flash drive. When connected, it automatically tries to mount, and returns this error message(E1) in a window: http://pastebin.com/ktqsMB0r E2 is what I get with dmesg. |
| 16:41.58 | ectospasm | jordanm: or run newgrp |
| 16:42.03 | jelly | totte: and really, zsh scripts? |
| 16:42.07 | themill | ksx4system: Apt::MaxSize? |
| 16:42.28 | jelly | it's a wonderful interactive shell, but hardly portable for coding |
| 16:42.44 | jordanm | ectospasm: doesn't that only apply to the current shell? eg - won't affect desktop session |
| 16:43.07 | talexb | cwickert, Isn't the output of dpkg fairly self-explanatory? |
| 16:43.09 | ectospasm | jordanm: true dat, I didn't read enough context to know they were dealing with GUI |
| 16:43.10 | jordanm | jelly: what makes it less portable than bash? |
| 16:43.23 | jelly | jordanm: it's not installed by default |
| 16:43.26 | totte | jelly: I used the /usr/bin/env for Python, thought it'd work for Zsh as well with the -f flag, oh well. :) Thanks. |
| 16:43.55 | jelly | jordanm: not the shell itself, zsh scripts are less portable |
| 16:43.55 | cwickert | talexb: not really. I am particularly interested in the the first column? |
| 16:43.56 | jordanm | jelly: it is on some non-debian systems |
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| 16:44.16 | themill | cwickert: check the first line of the output |
| 16:44.17 | jelly | jordanm: stop proving MY point! |
| 16:44.40 | talexb | cwickert, OK, that's "Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold" .. what's confusing about that? |
| 16:44.45 | jelly | takes the point and goes out for a beer |
| 16:44.59 | cwickert | themill: a little more elaborate? |
| 16:45.22 | cwickert | talexb: so if something is marked as "rc", it is scheduled for removal, right? |
| 16:45.33 | cwickert | but it doesn't get removed in the next apt/aptitude run |
| 16:45.56 | themill | cwickert: it is already removed (that's the c status that's in the second column) |
| 16:46.37 | ojtimsen | hi, maybe not pure debian but - is it wise to encrypt an SSD via cryptsetup or does that have a negative impact to the device lifetime or performance? |
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| 16:47.45 | cwickert | themill: sorry, but this is not logical. the first column is the *desired* state, the second is the actual state |
| 16:47.45 | ompaul | ojtimsen: work it out, is there an overhead in decrypting, is there an overhead in encrypting? yes. Is there a need to encrypt the free space, yes. |
| 16:48.13 | themill | cwickert: correct. And the first column tells you that the desired state is to have it removed and the second column tells you that it has been removed. |
| 16:48.17 | talexb | cwickert, Read http://joysofprogramming.com/status-dpkg-list/ for more information. You're welcome. ;) |
| 16:48.30 | ojtimsen | so fstrim would not improve as on a non-encrypted fs ompaul? |
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| 16:48.56 | ompaul | ojtimsen: how is that related to your previous question? is this your real question? |
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| 16:49.37 | cwickert | talexb: thanks, but this is the kind of info I expect from a manpage :) |
| 16:49.41 | themill | cwickert: remember that there is a difference between "remove" and "purge" in the handling of your config files. |
| 16:49.41 | ojtimsen | it is related to your point about the "free space" handling of SSD devices |
| 16:49.47 | BitPuffin | I made a video to showcase the terribleness of AMD's properitary drivers: http://youtu.be/nez1Byy9ras Let's put some pressure on them yeah? |
| 16:49.57 | themill | cwickert: all those terms are explained in the man page |
| 16:50.12 | cwickert | themill: I know about --purge, thanks, but I still don't understand your sentence |
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| 16:50.40 | cwickert | themill: " And the first column tells you that the desired state is to have it removed" - but it is not installed, so how can it be desired to be removed? |
| 16:50.54 | talexb | cwickert, I imagine that the man page for dpkg is open source and can be updated, with appropriate credit given. :) |
| 16:51.02 | ompaul | ojtimsen: to encrypt a block on a system you have to write to it all, you can of course test the theory that I have which says, no you will not benefit |
| 16:51.24 | ompaul | ojtimsen: it's got a different objective the olde encryption |
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| 16:51.38 | cwickert | themill: and no, the statuses are not explained in the manpage, at least not in the German version |
| 16:51.39 | cwickert | anyway |
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| 16:51.51 | cwickert | next question: is there a log of all transactions? |
| 16:52.01 | ojtimsen | ok ompaul I will try it anyway but I thought maybe somebody shares some experience thank you |
| 16:52.23 | themill | cwickert: is there really no section for "PACKAGE STATES" in the de version? That section has been in the English versions for many many years. |
| 16:52.34 | jordanm | cwickert: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 16:52.42 | cwickert | jordanm: thanks |
| 16:53.06 | ompaul | ojtimsen: just stop for a moment and ask yourself why would that work in your use case? |
| 16:53.56 | cwickert | themill: there is a status section, but it uses whole words instead of just the first letter and to make it worse, the statuses are translated |
| 16:53.59 | ompaul | ojtimsen: encryption is not designed to be effective with space, it is designed to hide information, using things that might disclose that are working against your objective. |
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| 16:54.19 | ompaul | ojtimsen: if they work at all (and I doubt it) |
| 16:54.43 | themill | cwickert: and the single letter is explained in the output of dpkg -l; the translation of the status name is quite unhelpful though. You might want to suggest that the translator not do that. |
| 16:55.11 | cwickert | themill: +1 |
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| 16:55.45 | themill | cwickert: "reportbug dpkg" (but check it's not already at bugs.debian.org/dpkg) |
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| 16:56.40 | technologov_ | ha ha !! Congratulations to #debian ! We're now over 1200 people ! |
| 16:56.53 | technologov_ | Ubuntu unifying effect ? |
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| 16:58.28 | Trewas | ojtimsen: dm-crypt supports TRIM given a new enough kernel, but it may be slightly more insecure (or more secure, because the data will be really gone for all normal recovery tools...) |
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| 16:59.48 | ompaul | however an overhead will be experienced of anything up to 100% more in working times |
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| 17:00.08 | ompaul | according to a few comments on bugs out there where people wonder if they are bugs at all but hey |
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| 17:02.23 | ojtimsen | thanks Trewas |
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| 17:07.01 | ojtimsen | Trewas: I run 3.2.0 so I hope that ssd support is close to latest |
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| 17:08.54 | BitPuffin | dvs, It runs great now :) Thanks! |
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| 17:09.08 | dvs | BitPuffin: no prob |
| 17:09.10 | BitPuffin | Using debian sure is a learning experience |
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| 17:12.48 | Raydiation | how can i install a .deb package from console that install its dependencies too? |
| 17:12.56 | Raydiation | dpkg -i doesnt pull dependencies |
| 17:12.56 | dpkg | package doesnt pull dependencies is already installed |
| 17:14.20 | babilen | Raydiation: You can run "apt-get -f install" afterwards -- What are you trying to install? |
| 17:14.32 | Raydiation | babilen: a self built package |
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| 17:14.50 | Raydiation | i dont know if its good practice to run -f |
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| 17:15.27 | babilen | Raydiation: Ok -- dpkg does not handle the installation of dependencies, but "apt-get -f install" will pull them in. |
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| 17:16.48 | JordiGH | Is this a packaging bug, or did I mess up? It looks like two packages depend on each other and thus can't configure themselves. This is on a squeeze box (heh), trying to backport the sid version: http://codepad.org/WbjPD8OB |
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| 17:17.59 | BitPuffin | To install flash, is it just apt-get install flash? |
| 17:18.22 | babilen | !tell BitPuffin -about flash |
| 17:18.26 | babilen | !tell BitPuffin -about adobe flash |
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| 17:18.33 | johnfg | hi guys |
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| 17:19.18 | johnfg | I'm on a squeeze machine. I don't have root where I can login through the gui (running gnome). Where do I do this for squeeze? |
| 17:19.40 | themill | JordiGH: why not install libparpack2? |
| 17:19.56 | et | you open a terminal and run "su" |
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| 17:20.22 | JordiGH | themill: I thought I did: http://codepad.org/EGMSHEiS |
| 17:20.40 | themill | JordiGH: count the number of "p"s |
| 17:21.00 | ectospasm | I'm having a trouble selecting a font in Debian squeeze (Gnome2). No matter what I choose, the font is the generic Sans font. If I select Terminus, it says Terminus, but the rendered font is definitely not terminus. I can't switch back to using gnome-terminal because of this... |
| 17:21.30 | ectospasm | How can I reset GNOME2 in Squeeze? I ran 'mv .gconf* .gnome2* backup/', restarted Gnome, but the GNOME2 font manager is still screwed up. Is there something I have to do at the system level to get it working? |
| 17:21.36 | johnfg | et, No that's not what I'm asking. When I come to the gdm I want to be able to login as root. Not allowed now. |
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| 17:21.47 | themill | johnfg: correct. |
| 17:22.04 | babilen | awards the Eagle Eye Award to themill |
| 17:22.04 | Bartzy | How can I check difference between directories in 2 different machines ? |
| 17:22.20 | johnfg | themill, but can't I change it? Like I have it on my lenny machine? |
| 17:22.36 | themill | johnfg: lenny's gdm didn't permit root login either |
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| 17:22.43 | babilen | Bartzy: dirdiff, diff -r, ... |
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| 17:22.53 | themill | Bartzy: compare file lists or compare file contents? |
| 17:23.07 | johnfg | themill, But I reconfigured it, I just don't remember how or what I did. |
| 17:23.27 | JordiGH | themill: Beg your pardon? |
| 17:23.40 | themill | JordiGH: there are three packages involved here not two |
| 17:23.42 | Bartzy | themill: both. but between 2 different machines, without copying the files to one machine. |
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| 17:23.59 | themill | Bartzy: recursive md5sums (or sha*sums) would be one way |
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| 17:24.47 | JordiGH | Oh, libParpack |
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| 17:26.15 | Bartzy | themill: And can I see the actual diffs ? There is a remote diff tool or something like that, that uses SSH ? |
| 17:26.19 | Raydiation | babilen: is there no apt-get install file.deb |
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| 17:27.22 | BitPuffin | So which one should I use? Gnash? |
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| 17:27.35 | BitPuffin | Will gnash work with desktop apps using flash and Opera? |
| 17:28.01 | JordiGH | Opera? |
| 17:28.05 | themill | Bartzy: I don't know any simple way of seeing the diffs between two files that aren't on the same machine. It must be possible in some way using librsync, but I don't know a way of doing it nicely. |
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| 17:28.39 | BitPuffin | Web browser |
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| 17:30.04 | Bartzy | themill: OK, thanks :() |
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| 17:30.05 | Bartzy | :) |
| 17:30.17 | JordiGH | Is there an easy way to push trivial backports into b.d.o? |
| 17:30.37 | themill | Bartzy: using cmp on a list of md5sums to find out which files you need to copy around to compare might help... |
| 17:30.39 | JordiGH | I wish to provide an ARPACK squeeze backport, and I didn't have to do anything to backport it. |
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| 17:32.32 | themill | JordiGH: the complete set of instructions for backports are listed on the backports website |
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| 17:35.21 | JordiGH | So do the backport and upload it to mentors... |
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| 17:42.53 | kesroesweyth | in a default install of debian 5.0.9, what packages might i need to run 'make' and 'make install' without errors? im new to installing programs this way but none seem to work due to errors. |
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| 17:43.32 | themill | kesroesweyth: you are, of course, aware that you should be upgrading to squeeze right now, now working on lenny installations. |
| 17:43.59 | kesroesweyth | themill, yes i understand. this was the only choice in a pinch and i need this to work for today, if that makes sense |
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| 17:44.34 | kesroesweyth | i'm not getting 'command not found' so i assume that build-essentials is installed, or at least the part containing make |
| 17:44.50 | technologov_ | build-essential autoconf dkms |
| 17:45.09 | kesroesweyth | stupid question, are those three packages to install with apt-get, or is that a command? |
| 17:45.12 | technologov_ | this is enough for the basic (CLI) software |
| 17:45.23 | themill | dkms? |
| 17:45.27 | technologov_ | # apt-get install build-essential autoconf dkms |
| 17:45.36 | kesroesweyth | okay, is that not a good idea, themill |
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| 17:45.51 | themill | kesroesweyth: what is it you're actually trying to compile? |
| 17:45.52 | technologov_ | dkms installs kernel-headers, which is necessary quite often. |
| 17:46.00 | kesroesweyth | an app called nagcon |
| 17:46.12 | kesroesweyth | vanheusden.com/nagcon |
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| 17:47.21 | pr0d | Hi all, Im struggling like crazy to get my nfs share to mount on boot. tryed all kinds of stuff in /etc/fstab rc.local rc3.d rc4.d. nothin will mount on boot. Im soo stuck |
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| 17:48.22 | kesroesweyth | technologov_, still errors running make |
| 17:48.35 | themill | kesroesweyth: build-essential and libncurses-dev are likely what you need |
| 17:48.43 | kesroesweyth | okay one moment |
| 17:48.44 | technologov_ | read README file... it may have some extra dependencies |
| 17:48.54 | kesroesweyth | okay |
| 17:49.05 | pbase | I am running 32-bit wheezy and want to change to 64-bit wheezy.. how do I go about it? |
| 17:49.15 | dvs | pbase: reinstall |
| 17:49.21 | technologov_ | re-install. Upg to 64-bit is _not_ supported. |
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| 17:49.56 | pbase | thanks dvs technologov_ |
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| 17:50.15 | kesroesweyth | that did it, themill. thanks! and thanks technologov_, i'll keep your suggestion in mind next time, im sure it will save my butt at some point :) |
| 17:51.32 | BitPuffin | "bit.trip.runner: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.15' not found (required by bit.trip.runner) |
| 17:51.32 | BitPuffin | " |
| 17:51.44 | pbase | one more q. I don't see a wheezy iso download on the debian site. will I have to first install squeeze and then upgrade to wheezy? |
| 17:51.48 | BitPuffin | the heck |
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| 17:53.13 | linuxearth | can one tell me which is better: debian or opensuse? |
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| 17:53.24 | themill | dpkg: tell linuxearth about why debian |
| 17:53.34 | dvs | linuxearth: you want an unbiased answer here? |
| 17:53.40 | linuxearth | yeah dvs |
| 17:53.45 | CissWit | linuxearth: you are on #debian, what do you think we would answer there ? |
| 17:53.46 | dvs | ha |
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| 17:53.54 | pbase | I am finding debian better on my machine |
| 17:53.58 | file-exists-p | he can ask the same on opensuse and average the answers |
| 17:54.16 | file-exists-p | and pick at random in case of tie |
| 17:54.17 | file-exists-p | :/ |
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| 17:54.45 | linuxearth | ok |
| 17:55.01 | pbase | his question is perfectly fine. every one has that q at one point or the other |
| 17:55.18 | file-exists-p | btw, are the various distrib packaing systems equivalent these days? |
| 17:55.34 | file-exists-p | I remember in the bast that debian's was clearly better, but I suppose it changed |
| 17:55.37 | file-exists-p | -b+p |
| 17:55.47 | linuxearth | but debian is more typical, people say |
| 17:56.00 | file-exists-p | damn, irc through ssh through 3g in a train is tough |
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| 17:56.48 | linuxearth | ok ty i come back later |
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| 17:58.12 | pr0d | is it possible _netdev does not work correctly in debian squeeze with xen? |
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| 17:58.29 | eggman2001 | hello, i'm wondering how much RAM is typically recommended for a production server running apache and mysql |
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| 17:59.21 | petemc | eggman2001: a decent rule of thumb is generally as much as you can get |
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| 17:59.54 | petemc | eggman2001: but it also depends how busy you expect machine to be, you could run apache and mysql in 512MB |
| 18:00.00 | talexb | eggman2001, It depends on how much traffic you're expecting, how much different material you;ll be material, what kind of response time you'd like, and what your budget is. |
| 18:00.01 | kesroesweyth | eggman2001, apache and mysql by default don't use a lot of memory, but once you start using them for a purpose... |
| 18:00.03 | l0n | eggman2001 just make sure you tweak apache otherwise you'll probably get oom-killer messages in your kernel logs and various processes will get killed |
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| 18:00.53 | talexb | eggman2001, IOW, you're asking something akin to "How big an engine should I get in my truck?" |
| 18:00.54 | eggman2001 | i was running them with 256MB but then apache was going into swap |
| 18:01.03 | talexb | Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft. |
| 18:01.08 | kesroesweyth | lol |
| 18:01.10 | eggman2001 | so i guess i need more |
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| 18:01.16 | davidgul | hi guys |
| 18:01.19 | kesroesweyth | yes more than a quarter gig |
| 18:01.20 | talexb | Any self-respecting server would have 4-8G RAM. |
| 18:01.25 | talexb | 256M RAM is hilarious. |
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| 18:01.55 | talexb | I just got a test server for home with 16G of RAM because I'm planning on trying out some VMs. |
| 18:02.02 | talexb | Get lots of memory -- you won't be sorry. |
| 18:02.07 | l0n | talexb, it might be a VPS |
| 18:02.10 | Met4physica | agreed - ram is the way to go |
| 18:02.19 | eggman2001 | yeah, i'm using a vps |
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| 18:02.32 | eggman2001 | they charge you more for more ram |
| 18:02.41 | kesroesweyth | it's worth it |
| 18:02.44 | davidgul | my function keys dosent work how can i fix it |
| 18:02.59 | l0n | eggman2001 if you want loads of RAM, it may end up cheaper just to go to a dedicated server |
| 18:03.17 | l0n | but you might not need it, have you performed any Apache tweaking? |
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| 18:03.47 | Carew | eggman2001: for how much users are you serving this website? do you have an idea? |
| 18:04.36 | eggman2001 | the traffic is very low. less than 1000 in a day |
| 18:04.47 | ElDiabolo | Is there a package building shortcut for software authors? |
| 18:04.53 | jjohnson | does anyone know of an easy way to compile software on a dev machine and then find out exactly what files have to be copyied to make the compiled apps work on another machine with the same specs |
| 18:05.01 | l0n | eggman2001 you might just need to do some Apache tweaking i.e. reduce the min, max servers, disable keepalives etc |
| 18:05.41 | l0n | jjohnson you can ./configure --prefix=SOME_INSTALL_DIR normally and then just get the app dependencies from the readme or use ldd on the binary |
| 18:05.50 | eggman2001 | l0n: I see. thanks. I'll try that |
| 18:06.18 | ElDiabolo | jjohnson, Consider building a debian package. |
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| 18:07.16 | Carew | how to calculate how much ram is needed for a machine that is running apache? should be counted per user? |
| 18:07.30 | davidgul | my function keys dosent work how can i fix it |
| 18:08.10 | themill | ElDiabolo: dh-make is a starting point for packages but it usually needs a lot of tweaking to make a good package |
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| 18:10.11 | jjohnson | i would build a deb packet but the destination machine has had the deb program removed and made unworkable |
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| 18:10.17 | burhan | is upstart ( http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ ) officially supported in debian? |
| 18:10.35 | burhan | I tried to install it and got a very stern warning from apt :/ |
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| 18:11.28 | ElDiabolo | themill, I know, (see http://www.heute-morgen.de/modules/mod_delay/debian/), what I would like to have is a way that does not start with applying patches to a given source package but rather like creating a perl module. |
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| 18:12.29 | themill | ElDiabolo: I'm not sure what distinction you're trying to draw |
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| 18:15.40 | maher | is there an irc channel for ikiwiki? |
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| 18:16.07 | jordanm | caravel: that is very heavily dependant on your configuration, usage, traffic, etc |
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| 18:18.43 | jordanm | ElDiabolo: that looks like a dirty hack to work around broken scripts |
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| 18:23.07 | ElDiabolo | jordanm, No, I am able to follow the debian new maintainers guide, but I would prefer to not use a source tarball. I want to just create a debian directory in my project directory, edit the files in it and then build a package. |
| 18:24.05 | RichardHebert | hi all. i'm looking for a tool for cheking my hdd. i know smartmontools package. do you know another one ? |
| 18:24.27 | ElDiabolo | badblocks |
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| 18:25.07 | BitPuffin | dvs, Rendering initalization failure in most more "advanced" games I've tried so far :( |
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| 18:25.30 | RichardHebert | ok, thx ElDiabolo |
| 18:25.43 | jordanm | ElDiabolo: I meant the module itself, not the package. what you want to do is known as a "native" package. it should only be done if the package is *only* relevant to debian |
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| 18:25.59 | BitPuffin | I wonder if the proprietary drivers are better in any of the newer AMD cards |
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| 18:26.33 | jordanm | ElDiabolo: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMentorsFaq#What_is_the_difference_between_a_native_Debian_package_and_a_non-native_package.3F |
| 18:27.09 | dvs | BitPuffin: I've never messed with them |
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| 18:28.44 | pr0d | when mounting a nfs share in debian am i right in doing it in /.etc/fstab? I cant seem to get the NFS to mount on boot no matter what i try? |
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| 18:29.49 | Cyclohexane | how do i allow a non-root user write access to /var/www? |
| 18:30.40 | nvz | Cyclohexane: you don't? typically you put users www-root in their homedir |
| 18:30.43 | jordanm | !permissions |
| 18:30.44 | dpkg | For information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions', http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions and http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html . For further information, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod and follow the setuid and setgid links within. See also <ssh permissions>, <qotd232>. http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 18:31.20 | ElDiabolo | jordanm, The package is an apache module and I simply don't care much about other platforms. Thx. |
| 18:31.30 | pr0d | nobody got love for me tonight? :( |
| 18:31.33 | mutante | Cyclohexane: instead you can configure Apache to serve their pages from /home/user/public_html/ or similar |
| 18:31.53 | jordanm | ElDiabolo: the person sponsering your package will |
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| 18:32.54 | Cyclohexane | i only want to provide one user access so i can upload to the server from dreamweaver and im using nginx |
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| 18:33.25 | nvz | Cyclohexane: adduser user www-data |
| 18:33.27 | caravel | re: [10-01-12 19:16:07] <jordanm> caravel: that is very heavily dependant on your configuration, usage, traffic, etc |
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| 18:33.36 | caravel | was this for me ? |
| 18:33.36 | nvz | Cyclohexane: just let the record show you were told how to do it the right way |
| 18:33.43 | mutante | Cyclohexane: you could setup one user with "scponly" as shell, and then what nvz said |
| 18:33.54 | wm4 | does anyone know what exactly is responsible for mounting the root fs as /dev/disk/by-uuid/<longuuidhere> on newer debian unstable systems? it's not in fstab |
| 18:34.22 | jordanm | caravel: no, ETAB |
| 18:34.29 | nvz | any good web administrator would entirely reconfigure apache to not use /var/www, www-data, and also to have users www root be in their own homedir |
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| 18:35.23 | jordanm | wm4: the kernel mounts the root filesystem. its specified in the grub configuration |
| 18:35.33 | Cyclohexane | nvz: im the only user... |
| 18:35.44 | nvz | Cyclohexane: so you think |
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| 18:39.14 | nvz | Cyclohexane: I'm not trying to be a pain in your butt, I'm just sayin.. I've ran webservers before.. they get hammered like crazy.. thats why you want to set them up properly and not use defaults and privlage users more than needed. If you are running it on this machine you're on now, we all have your IP and obviously know the way its setup better than you do. |
| 18:40.11 | nvz | Cyclohexane: do it the easy way for now, keep an eye on auth.log.. you'll learn eventually |
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| 18:42.58 | pr0d | Hi all, I am trying to mount an NFS share on a machine that has a network bridge for Xen. No matter what i try i just cant get the NFS share to mount on boot. Can anyoje help me out? Squeeze, Xen kernel from debian. |
| 18:43.34 | wm4 | so, does anyone happen to know how to force grub-mkconfig not to use UUIDs? |
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| 18:44.19 | l0n | pr0d if you mount it manually post boot, does it mount ok i.e. without errors etc? |
| 18:44.31 | pr0d | mount perfectly form cli |
| 18:44.32 | dvs | wm4: Why do you want to do that? |
| 18:44.56 | l0n | pr0d what if you put a mount command in somewhere like rc.local rather than sticking it in fstab? |
| 18:45.03 | wm4 | dvs: simply because the UUID device path is too long, and using df will mess up the output formatting on 80 column terminals |
| 18:45.16 | jordanm | wm4: use df -P |
| 18:45.22 | pr0d | tryed that and doesnt work, rc3.d rc4.d rc.local. nothing works |
| 18:45.33 | l0n | pr0d anything in the logs? |
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| 18:45.35 | wm4 | jordanm: that doesn't change anything |
| 18:45.47 | pr0d | which log would i find this error in? |
| 18:46.06 | jordanm | wm4: it should, -P will cause df to not split output onto multiple lines when a column limit is hit |
| 18:46.13 | nvz | wm4: serupt GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID in /etc/default/grub set it to true |
| 18:46.37 | wm4 | jordanm: the problem is that the lines df outputs are too long, so they wrap around |
| 18:46.44 | nvz | s/serupt/setup/ |
| 18:46.49 | wm4 | jordanm: which destroys the table layout |
| 18:46.55 | l0n | pr0d: good question ;) depends on how syslog is setup although even then I wouldn't know for sure, best bet is to check dmesg and messages. Also, have you tried putting something like 'mount blah > /var/log/mountlog' in rc.local? |
| 18:47.18 | wm4 | nvz: thanks, that looks like what I want |
| 18:47.18 | dvs | wm4: Yeah, but there's no guarantee that the sdX name won't change between reboots. |
| 18:47.46 | l0n | pr0d: actually do this: 'mount blah &> /var/log/mountlog' |
| 18:47.48 | wm4 | dvs: I know, that's why I always use disk labels |
| 18:47.49 | nvz | wm4: what you want is not always what you need, but no problem. |
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| 18:47.52 | pr0d | In messages i cant see anythin relative. I can see that sometimes in messages there is a eth1 not ready or somethin along those lines |
| 18:48.12 | pr0d | ok ill try that in rc.local? |
| 18:48.26 | pr0d | will it make the file if its not there? |
| 18:48.31 | wm4 | also, grub-mkconfig didn't even mention this config file |
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| 18:49.17 | l0n | pr0d: hmm, does it already exist, if not then can't gurantee it will execute at startup? |
| 18:49.44 | pr0d | ok ill try my best :) |
| 18:50.18 | l0n | pr0d: actually not sure that will work, you might have to create an init script and add it |
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| 18:50.42 | l0n | pr0d: which version of debian is it? |
| 18:50.48 | pr0d | squeeze |
| 18:50.53 | pr0d | stable i think |
| 18:51.04 | l0n | yeah it won't work :/ |
| 18:51.18 | pr0d | dammit thats why those scripts earlier didnt work :S |
| 18:51.22 | wm4 | so I guess there's no way of making grub use device labels instead |
| 18:51.29 | l0n | idd |
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| 18:52.12 | pr0d | l0n: isnt _netdev supposed to work around all this stuff? |
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| 18:53.29 | l0n | pr0d: no idea, I am no xen expert just thought I'd try and help you out and maybe learn something in the process |
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| 18:54.21 | pr0d | l0n: _netdev is specified in fstab to state that the drive is on the network and supposed to wait until the network is fully running before mounting the drive. |
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| 18:55.01 | pr0d | l0n: doesnt really have anythin to do with xen |
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| 18:56.12 | pr0d | In debian, when mounting a NFS at boot does _netdev work? |
| 18:56.36 | pr0d | and does it work with bridged networks? |
| 18:57.09 | l0n | pr0d: idd, a quick google does suggest that it should do the job but I've never used it, never needed to |
| 18:58.19 | pr0d | l0n: yup. Thats what i dont get! |
| 18:58.28 | testeez | Hello, is there a way to prevent DrDos attacks? The attacks are done through an exploit in old quake servers - udp getstatus flood and our server IP is used as the query runner so big packages are sent back to our server. |
| 18:58.37 | testeez | Hope anyone understands my confusing text. |
| 18:58.39 | pr0d | no1 seems to care about my issue |
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| 18:59.28 | testeez | It's better explained here: http://ioquake.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1689 |
| 18:59.40 | l0n | pr0d: well it sounds like the easiest workaround is going to be to create a startup script that does the mount and then explicitly set it to run after the network has been initialised |
| 18:59.52 | testeez | Is there a way to block it? |
| 19:00.13 | jelly-home | testeez: what kind of service are you running? |
| 19:00.24 | pr0d | I have no idea how to go about doin that. Im not very good at linux |
| 19:00.33 | testeez | I'm running a website and a gameserver. |
| 19:01.55 | jelly-home | testeez: how do you knwo it's a DDoS? How many sources do you see? |
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| 19:02.31 | l0n | pr0d: this should help: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28 alternatively if you are ok with providing me SSH access, I can take a look |
| 19:02.51 | l0n | pr0d: having said that, you should prob have a go first either way as it's better if you can solve your own problem |
| 19:03.33 | pr0d | l0n: definitely, No offence but im a bit paranoid about letting people on my machine :D |
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| 19:03.35 | testeez | Well, our incoming traffic goes through the roof when those attack occur. |
| 19:04.02 | testeez | These servers that send large packages have all quake servers on them. |
| 19:04.10 | l0n | pr0d: no worries I would be the same especially if it's got data that you care about |
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| 19:04.39 | zaltekk | ooo quake stuff |
| 19:04.48 | jelly-home | testeez: have you done an analysis or a sample of traffic? Can your services survive if your ISP temporarily blocks. eg. all UDP traffic to your address? |
| 19:05.03 | zaltekk | quake is udp protocol |
| 19:05.04 | zaltekk | can't block that |
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| 19:05.20 | testeez | A query is sent with a spoofed IP (ours) and then these "slave"-servers send large packages to our UDP port 22003 on which our game server runs. |
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| 19:05.40 | zaltekk | testeez: |
| 19:05.41 | testeez | Quote: "You can easily get high amount of traffic going to victims UDP port (as the origin address is spoofed). The response from ioquake3 server is much larger" |
| 19:05.49 | zaltekk | looks like that is already fixed according to the link you provided |
| 19:05.57 | zaltekk | you just need to compile the newer revision |
| 19:06.02 | pr0d | testeez: Find out who they are and kill their wife and kids :D Jokes! |
| 19:06.11 | testeez | I'm not running a quake server myself |
| 19:06.18 | dondelelcaro | testeez: if you can't handle the amount of incoming traffic, and your ISP won't assist you in fixing it, there's not much to be done |
| 19:06.20 | testeez | These old quake servers are used to attack our server. |
| 19:06.55 | jelly-home | testeez: so ask your provider to block all incoming traffic matching udp *:* -> yourip:22003 |
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| 19:07.52 | zaltekk | testeez: oh wait, sorry, i misunderstood |
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| 19:08.06 | jelly-home | the traffic multiplication used is amusing, but mostly ioquake authors' fault |
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| 19:08.38 | testeez | can't I do it myself somehow? |
| 19:08.49 | dondelelcaro | testeez: no. |
| 19:08.53 | jelly-home | testeez: do you have control of your inbound router? |
| 19:09.05 | testeez | and does that affect my gameserver anyhow which is running on the 22003 port? |
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| 19:09.18 | zaltekk | testeez: what game server are you running? |
| 19:09.27 | jelly-home | testeez: noone will be able to connect to it, in all likelihood |
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| 19:09.55 | zaltekk | if you are also running a quake server, why not have iptables just block access from the offending IP addresses? |
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| 19:10.20 | dondelelcaro | zaltekk: that won't help if the traffic is saturating your inbound link. |
| 19:10.28 | testeez | I'm running an MTA:SA server |
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| 19:10.34 | dondelelcaro | you have to shed the traffic at the ISP or farther up. |
| 19:10.38 | zaltekk | hopefully he has a decent link if he is running a server |
| 19:11.08 | dondelelcaro | presumably, but if you have a decent link, your ISP will actually respond to you... |
| 19:11.48 | zaltekk | testeez: MTA uses UDP as well |
| 19:11.54 | zaltekk | so you can't block all udp on the server port |
| 19:12.08 | testeez | Well, if I cannot run my gaming server, it's of no help really.. If I have an IP-list of all of those old quake servers, can I do anything then? |
| 19:12.23 | testeez | I've tried IPTABLES, but that's of no help |
| 19:12.26 | zaltekk | testeez: if you can filter those IPs and have everything work, go for it |
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| 19:12.49 | zaltekk | testeez: if not, do like dondelelcaro said and have your net provider block them before they get into your link |
| 19:13.46 | zaltekk | MultiTheftAuto really is an insecure mess though |
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| 19:14.08 | testeez | how come it's insecure? It's nothing to do with MTA |
| 19:14.17 | zaltekk | outside of this issue :) |
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| 19:21.30 | taurus86 | hello |
| 19:21.33 | pzn | Hi. I need to connect my debian box to a switch which has some vlans in the eth port. I never used vlan in debian, is this "hardware-dependent" (means that I need to buy a network card with vlan support)? |
| 19:22.35 | taurus86 | please i need to install the LAMP stack on debian, is there any helpful documentation for that? |
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| 19:24.33 | zaltekk | oh man...they put their code on google code |
| 19:24.48 | zaltekk | first file i open has issues just using memset properly |
| 19:25.14 | eccentric | taurus86: http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp |
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| 19:25.41 | user_ | hello. |
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| 19:27.12 | user_ | i need to get the latest version of pcmanfm running on debian stable |
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| 19:27.33 | user_ | but its not in the backports or even sid |
| 19:27.41 | user_ | suggestions? |
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| 19:28.07 | user_ | http://blog.lxde.org/?p=908 |
| 19:28.28 | zaltekk | apt-get source, uupdate, etc |
| 19:29.00 | user_ | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/0.9.10-0ubuntu1/+build/2905801 and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/0.9.10-0ubuntu1/+build/2905801 have the deb files but when i try to install them using dpkg , it fails badly |
| 19:29.18 | zaltekk | those are for ubuntu, not debian. |
| 19:29.40 | zaltekk | why would you expect it to work? |
| 19:29.40 | user_ | looks around |
| 19:29.53 | user_ | take a guess |
| 19:30.01 | zaltekk | because you don't know what you're doing? |
| 19:30.04 | jhutchins_wk | user_: Why not install CentOS RPMS? |
| 19:30.25 | user_ | zaltekk, incorrect. |
| 19:30.34 | zaltekk | user_: sure looks like it. |
| 19:30.48 | user_ | jhutchins_wk : give it a shoot. |
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| 19:31.13 | user_ | zaltekk : would work if there wasnt dep problems |
| 19:31.31 | user_ | some apps with no deps work find |
| 19:31.55 | zaltekk | user_: /msg dpkg backport |
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| 19:32.01 | zaltekk | and /msg dpkg package recompile |
| 19:32.06 | zaltekk | the bot will explain what to do |
| 19:32.17 | user_ | backport doesnt have it as i said |
| 19:32.28 | zaltekk | ... |
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| 19:32.29 | user_ | not even in the sid repo |
| 19:32.30 | zaltekk | do what i said |
| 19:32.37 | zaltekk | it'll explain what to do |
| 19:32.46 | zaltekk | if you aren't even going to listen to me it'll be impossible to help you |
| 19:32.56 | user_ | wait. |
| 19:33.14 | pzn | do I need a special network card for using the vlan feature? |
| 19:33.17 | zaltekk | the bot will explain how to compile your own package |
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| 19:36.15 | gucki | "Cannot allocate memory" when doing "cat /proc/self/mountinfo" inside a vm |
| 19:36.26 | gucki | more over this is really bad: it seems to flush the whole page cache of the whole machine if the ve has no limits!! |
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| 19:36.48 | gucki | people in openvz channel tell me the openvz stuff in squeeze is outdated/ crappy?! |
| 19:37.03 | gucki | i always thought debian is stable/ reliable? :) |
| 19:37.08 | zaltekk | pzn: you'll need ethernet hardware that can support 802.1q |
| 19:37.26 | zaltekk | gucki: that's no relation to debian |
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| 19:37.54 | zaltekk | gucki: they are saying that the openvz version that was around when squeeze was released isn't as good as the latest |
| 19:38.31 | gucki | zaki_: well, the bug I'm expiring is killing the whole host.. |
| 19:38.45 | gucki | zaltekk: well, the bug I'm expiring is killing the whole host.. |
| 19:39.23 | gucki | zaltekk: when you do a cat /proc/self/mountinfo inside a guest (which is not limited) the whole page cache is flushed and all swap is consumed immideatly... |
| 19:39.45 | zaltekk | that isn't debian's fault |
| 19:39.48 | gucki | zaltekk: so the whole machine goes to load average 1000 or what ever and is simply not responding anymore.. |
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| 19:41.26 | gucki | zaltekk: not really, but it'd be great if debian would update the packages so that such grave bugs are fixed :) |
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| 19:42.17 | zaltekk | gucki: i don't see a single bug report on their bugzilla about mountinfo |
| 19:42.46 | gucki | zaltekk: i'll file it now |
| 19:42.59 | zaltekk | gucki: i'm speaking of the openvz bugzilla |
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| 19:44.24 | user_ | update taking too long |
| 19:44.46 | user_ | zaltekk, what does aptitude -R build-dep packagename do? |
| 19:45.08 | zaltekk | user_: installs the packages needed at build time for packagename |
| 19:45.16 | gucki | zaltekk: maybe it's only happening with debian and not so many openvz users are using debian? googleing for "mountinfo Cannot allocate memory" displays a few results |
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| 19:45.58 | zaltekk | user_: -R means to not install recommended packages for those dependencies |
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| 19:48.33 | user_ | zaltekk : installing build-essential devscripts and fakeroot |
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| 19:48.50 | user_ | gona take some time with this cheap connection |
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| 19:50.10 | BitPuffin | how do I run glxgears? |
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| 19:50.34 | mekeor | BitPuffin: just type it into a shell/terminal... what's the problem? |
| 19:50.43 | xinkill | Install package glxinfo |
| 19:50.47 | BitPuffin | oh |
| 19:51.00 | BitPuffin | worked the second time |
| 19:51.05 | mekeor | :) |
| 19:51.12 | BitPuffin | 1949 fps |
| 19:51.30 | mekeor | remember: it's not a benchmark! |
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| 19:54.37 | user_ | zaltekk : http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/rebuilding-ubuntu-debian-linux-binary-package/ is the solution, correct? |
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| 19:55.36 | user_ | zaltekk : this also worked if i have the sources and want to build another version of the app? |
| 19:55.40 | user_ | works* |
| 19:56.25 | user_ | this is to build it in a way not to get dep problems ? |
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| 19:56.53 | BitPuffin | 10.1.2012 [19:13] |
| 19:56.53 | BitPuffin | ERROR: OpenGL 2.0 required |
| 19:56.53 | BitPuffin | ERROR: ARB_framebuffer_object required |
| 19:56.53 | BitPuffin | ERROR: EXT_texture_compression_s3tc required |
| 19:56.53 | BitPuffin | ERROR: Your graphics card cannot run this game. You can try updating your drivers. |
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| 20:01.29 | BitPuffin | These drivers don't support OpenGL 2.0 |
| 20:01.39 | BitPuffin | well I guess I'm screwed for Linux game development then |
| 20:02.07 | BitPuffin | and gaming |
| 20:02.11 | user_ | looks for zaltekk |
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| 20:03.04 | jordanm | BitPuffin: which drivers? |
| 20:03.32 | BitPuffin | Open source with linux-firmware-nonfree |
| 20:03.48 | jordanm | BitPuffin: which ones? |
| 20:03.57 | jordanm | what card? |
| 20:04.18 | BitPuffin | Radeon HD 4850 |
| 20:04.28 | jordanm | !radeon |
| 20:04.28 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by ATI/AMD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
| 20:04.51 | jordanm | !radeon firmware |
| 20:04.51 | dpkg | Binary-only firmware was removed from the radeon <DRM> driver at linux-2.6 2.6.29-1 (Debian bug #494009), now packaged separately in firmware-linux-nonfree. Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance in the <radeon> and <radeonhd> xorg drivers is commonly experienced. To acquire, ask me about <non-free sources>. This is not applicable to Lenny systems with the 2.6.26 kernel, or for use of the <fglrx> driver. |
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| 20:05.12 | jordanm | BitPuffin: do you have libl1-mesa-dri? have you restarted X since installing firmware packages? |
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| 20:05.16 | gucki | zaltekk: ok, the bug report is here now: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=655385 let's see what people say, I'll also send to the openvz mailing list.. |
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| 20:05.42 | BitPuffin | I don't have libgll-mesa-dri no. Tried apt-get installing it but it didn't find anything |
| 20:05.50 | BitPuffin | and yes I rebooted |
| 20:06.18 | BitPuffin | dpkg really knows all |
| 20:06.18 | dpkg | BitPuffin: wish i knew |
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| 20:07.05 | jordanm | ,versions libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 20:07.06 | judd | Package: libgl1-mesa-dri on i386 -- lenny: 7.0.3-7; squeeze: 7.7.1-5; squeeze-backports: 7.10.3-4~bpo60+1; sid: 7.11.2-1; wheezy: 7.11.2-1 |
| 20:07.25 | jordanm | BitPuffin: that l1, not ll |
| 20:07.43 | BitPuffin | el-one? |
| 20:07.48 | jordanm | BitPuffin: its required for 3d acceleration and opengl |
| 20:08.02 | BitPuffin | libgl1-mesa-dri is already the newest version. |
| 20:08.25 | jordanm | !fglrx |
| 20:08.26 | dpkg | fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chips prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>; see <fglrx lenny> for oldstable. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:09.03 | BitPuffin | No thanks, I made a video today showing why I'm not installing fglrx again: http://youtu.be/nez1Byy9ras |
| 20:09.15 | BitPuffin | if fglrx is the driver you download from amd.com |
| 20:09.32 | nag | BitPuffin: ha |
| 20:09.33 | sferguson | if installing phpsysinfo from apt in 6.0 where does the system put it? There are no installed folder in /var/www or in either of the user directories... |
| 20:10.03 | BitPuffin | nag ha? |
| 20:10.10 | jordanm | BitPuffin: well, I don't buy ati for that reason, but the open source ones *should* work with 3d acceleration |
| 20:10.28 | BitPuffin | maybe there's something else missing? |
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| 20:16.55 | nvz | how does one create their own grub configs with this new grub squeeze uses? Whats a proper way to add a custom entry? |
| 20:17.07 | BitPuffin | I wonder if the 7xxx series work better than the older graphics cards in linux |
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| 20:19.27 | nvz | only thing I know how to do is change the defaults in /etc/default/grub I'm trying to see how I can change the menu entirely.. add/remove custom boot entries like you used to do with menu.lst |
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| 20:21.06 | BitPuffin | jordanm, what about gallium? |
| 20:21.29 | BitPuffin | oh they made mesa |
| 20:21.42 | BitPuffin | !gallium |
| 20:21.42 | dpkg | it has been said that gallium is an element which amalgamates well with arsenide and always gets his way, or lacks a sense of humor ;) |
| 20:21.52 | BitPuffin | !mesa |
| 20:21.52 | dpkg | Mesa 3D is an open source implementation of the <OpenGL> API. http://mesa3d.org/ See also <glx>. |
| 20:21.59 | BitPuffin | !glx |
| 20:22.00 | dpkg | GLX (OpenGL Extension to the X Window System) enables programs wanting to use <OpenGL> to do so, via a window provided by X Window System. http://web.archive.org/web/20080510115750/http://www.sgi.com/products/software/opensource/glx/ |
| 20:22.07 | dvs | !tell BitPuffin about selftell |
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| 20:23.56 | nvz | dpkg++ |
| 20:24.09 | nvz | figured out what I needed to know from the bot :-P |
| 20:24.30 | nvz | also considering going back to grub-legacy but I'll try do it the new way.. heh |
| 20:24.53 | dvs | nvz: grub legacy won't work with the new kernel |
| 20:25.01 | nvz | really? |
| 20:25.12 | nvz | wont work in squeeze? |
| 20:25.32 | dvs | nvz: That's what I heard. Haven't actually tried it. |
| 20:25.52 | BitPuffin | rebooting in to windon't |
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| 20:25.57 | BitPuffin | I'll be back |
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| 20:26.07 | nvz | dvs: well idk.. but looks like my custom boot entries go in /etc/grub.d/40_custom |
| 20:26.25 | dvs | nvz: Yup |
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| 20:29.14 | nvz | dvs: I probably don't need em though now that I think about it.. cause I can always edit at the menu.. I just settin up luks removable key so I was thinkin to put in a safe boot option using the existing initrd and stuff in case what I'm doing fails |
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| 20:33.54 | ChrisH | Shoudn't sudo xterm work? |
| 20:34.30 | zaltekk | err, looks like chromium on sid is leaking memory somewhere |
| 20:34.30 | nsadmin | 8!sicco |
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| 20:34.34 | DexterF | hi |
| 20:34.36 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 20:34.36 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 20:34.45 | zaltekk | ended up using 2GiB for a single tab |
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| 20:35.24 | DexterF | any way of retrieving a samba server's password? cant make a win98 client connect, not sure if my passwd is wrong or if win98 cant hanlde encrypted smb passwords |
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| 20:36.55 | Dulak | DexterF: for win98 you will have to make a share that doesn't require a pass, either allowing guest, or alternately setting a blank pass for that user, and allowing that user access to the share |
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| 20:37.22 | DexterF | Dulak: ahh, thanks. |
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| 20:38.19 | Dulak | DexterF: it's been a while since I had to deal with win98 but I do remember there being auth issues with win98 clients due to some changes that happened to smb auth. |
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| 20:39.09 | n-iCe | hello is there any GUI ssh client? |
| 20:40.05 | ChrisH | n-iCe: xterm -e ssh USER@HOST ? |
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| 20:40.18 | joltcan | sounds like an oxymoron |
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| 20:41.22 | n-iCe | ChrisH: no |
| 20:41.30 | n-iCe | I want to send files to my machine to the ssh server, how can I do that? |
| 20:41.56 | ChrisH | cd /SOURCE ; sftp USER@TARGET |
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| 20:42.21 | n-iCe | uhm I don't get you, look, I am in ssh to my iphone |
| 20:42.24 | Dulak | n-iCe: there are plenty of sftp clients |
| 20:42.26 | n-iCe | in my debian laptop |
| 20:42.36 | n-iCe | but why ftp? does not need ot be ssh? |
| 20:42.45 | BitPuffin | sftp = ssh ftp |
| 20:42.49 | Dulak | sftp is ssh |
| 20:42.50 | BitPuffin | !sftp |
| 20:42.50 | dpkg | hmm... sftp is a program that provides FTP-like functionality over an ssh2 tunnel. Linux clients are in the packages openssh-client, filezilla, konqueror, gftp. The server is in the package openssh-server. For Windows clients, ask me about <winscp>, <filezilla>. See also <scp> and <sshfs>. |
| 20:43.17 | n-iCe | thanks! |
| 20:43.22 | n-iCe | I found, gstm |
| 20:43.24 | n-iCe | let's see |
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| 20:46.00 | n-iCe | Dulak: which sftp client you know? |
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| 20:48.27 | Id456456645 | Hello, could anyone help me? |
| 20:48.49 | dvs | no! ;-P |
| 20:49.03 | tdrusk | Just ask |
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| 20:50.54 | jelly-home | not if they run away |
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| 20:51.05 | jelly-home | blames dvs |
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| 20:54.59 | dvs | revels in his power |
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| 20:56.44 | jelly-home | MUAHAHAH |
| 20:56.52 | jelly-home | ", said dvs" |
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| 20:57.40 | nvz | well that was fun.. update-grub returned without errors, I reboot and come to find out it didn't add my entries in /etc/grub.d/40_custom |
| 20:58.18 | nvz | guess I just gotta put the stuff in /etc/default/grub and if it fails to boot manually hack it at the menu :-/ |
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| 20:58.39 | OsteHovel | I got a Intel Pentium 4 - 2ghz with 512mb and its running debian do you think i woud get a speed increase by putting more ram in? |
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| 20:59.16 | nvz | I hate automagic crap.. I think I would know better how to setup my system.. heh. Just wanted to put the new settings and safe settings in the menu until I was sure the new settings worked |
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| 21:00.06 | dvs | OsteHovel: absolutely |
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| 21:01.41 | OsteHovel | Becouse i kind of feel its running slow when im just installing with apt-get via console havent got x yet |
| 21:01.47 | tdrusk | OsteHovel: Yes, but it will be less noticeable with a lighter environment(icewm, fluxbox, etc) than and desktop environment like gnome. |
| 21:02.04 | OsteHovel | And i tought 2 ghz shoud run faster but then maybe its hanging on both ram and IO |
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| 21:03.10 | OsteHovel | And i also run it via NFS so i guess it needs more ram since /tmp has nowhere to go exept ram (no, i wount enable swap via network, thats kind of idiotic) :P |
| 21:03.45 | Tyndareus | Does anyone know of a sftp server that allows logging, and individual user rights similar to maybe proftpd |
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| 21:04.13 | Tyndareus | looks like proftpd has a sftp module, but it doesn't seem to be available throught apt-get |
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| 21:05.07 | naptastic | Hey, I've been building all my programs from within my home directory, and want to do things the "right" / "Debian" way |
| 21:05.24 | naptastic | So I'm putting things in /usr/src, and added myself to the src group |
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| 21:05.58 | naptastic | My question is, should I name kernel source directories a certain way? And how do I manage the "linux" symlink? Does it handle that automatically? |
| 21:06.26 | dvs | naptastic: I build the kernel sources in my home directory. |
| 21:07.03 | stephenp | i've put my repository priorites in /etc/apt/preferences but apt-cache policy does not reflect these changes. is there a step i'm missing? |
| 21:07.43 | naptastic | dvs, me too, and it seems to work. I've had people tell me it's sub-optimal that way; that it should live in /usr/src. Maybe so other users have access to it? |
| 21:08.10 | jordanm | OsteHovel: additional RAM can improve I/O performance via disk caching |
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| 21:08.26 | dvs | naptastic: I think that's what the linux-source package is suppose to do. |
| 21:08.30 | dvs | but I'm not sure. |
| 21:08.34 | naptastic | Ok. |
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| 21:09.38 | jordanm | naptastic: the only time it needs to be in /usr/src/ is for 3rd party module builds |
| 21:09.53 | naptastic | Ah! |
| 21:10.12 | naptastic | has a moment of enlightenment. |
| 21:10.31 | dvs | jordanm: can't you use the linux-headers package for that? |
| 21:10.47 | naptastic | maybe linux-headers and linux-src are different |
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| 21:11.00 | naptastic | looks in the manpage |
| 21:11.07 | jordanm | dvs: in most cases, yeah. but he isn't using kpackage, then he won't have a headers package |
| 21:11.19 | jordanm | I mean *if* he is not |
| 21:11.22 | naptastic | always and only uses make-kpkg |
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| 21:11.32 | naptastic | I used to do all that by hand, but man, what's the point?? |
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| 21:12.06 | naptastic | I can do make-kpkg kernel_image kernel_source instead of make-kpkg kernel_image kernel_headers |
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| 21:12.14 | naptastic | that will put things where they go. |
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| 21:12.56 | tidux | I just dist-upgraded from Squeeze to Sid, and I can't find the firmware I need for my wifi drivers |
| 21:13.11 | tidux | it's intel wifi, and it uses the iwlagn module |
| 21:13.21 | jelly-home | !iwlagn |
| 21:13.21 | dpkg | iwlagn (renamed to iwlwifi at Linux 3.2) is a Linux kernel module supporting Intel 802.11n adapters (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N). Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
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| 21:13.40 | jelly-home | tidux: /msg dpkg non-free sources |
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| 21:15.44 | tidux | jelly-home: I already have contrib and non-free added in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 21:16.02 | tidux | and the firmware-iwlwifi package installed |
| 21:16.07 | tidux | do I just need to reboot? |
| 21:16.18 | simonlnu | yes, or reload the module if you can |
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| 21:17.09 | tidux | modprobe -r iwlagn; modprobe iwlagn did the trick |
| 21:17.11 | tidux | thanks guys |
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| 21:50.12 | Vasistha | finally on squeeze... forcing myself not to go back :-) |
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| 21:50.35 | Vasistha | anyway... how to disable this two-finger scroll and go back to right-side-of-the-touchpad scroll? |
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| 21:52.55 | Vasistha | n/m, found http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad |
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| 22:12.42 | sidewalk | if i have hw-raid, should it be fine to install debian 6.0.3 netinst iso amd64, do i need the dmraid=true flag for it to mount the raid partitions as writeable? |
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| 22:13.48 | nimred | what's wrong when getting http://sprunge.us/XPSB ? |
| 22:13.58 | nimred | what to do to solve ? |
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| 22:15.50 | nimred | jelly-home: do you have any idea ? |
| 22:16.27 | jelly-home | who dares waking me from my slumber |
| 22:16.55 | jelly-home | !bat |
| 22:16.56 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 22:17.00 | jelly-home | nimred: read ^^ |
| 22:17.23 | jelly-home | ,versions ocaml-nox |
| 22:17.24 | judd | Package: ocaml-nox on i386 -- lenny: 3.10.2-3; squeeze: 3.11.2-2; sid: 3.12.1-2; wheezy: 3.12.1-2 |
| 22:18.06 | nimred | jelly-home: you have url i pasted output to |
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| 22:18.49 | jelly-home | nimred: I don't have the rest of what dpkg asks, tho. |
| 22:19.13 | jelly-home | nimred: also: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ocaml-nox It seems there's no build for "powerpc" arch. |
| 22:19.24 | jelly-home | no, I lied. |
| 22:19.37 | Some_Person | Does anyone know of a speed test site that works with lynx? |
| 22:20.18 | nimred | http://sprunge.us/XPSBse above |
| 22:20.28 | jelly-home | Some_Person: uhh... put a large file on a web server, and look at how fast eg. wget downloads it? |
| 22:20.56 | nimred | jelly-home: apt-cache policy ocamml-nox output -> http://sprunge.us/afDQ |
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| 22:21.12 | Some_Person | jelly-home: I want to test upload speed though |
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| 22:21.48 | jelly-home | nimred: also "apt-cache policy ocaml" and "apt-cache policy" |
| 22:21.49 | Some_Person | on a VPS |
| 22:21.57 | nimred | jelly-home: |
| 22:21.57 | nimred | nimred@MEDIA9:~$ sudo apt-cache search ocaml-nox |
| 22:21.57 | nimred | ocaml-nox - ML language implementation with a class-based object system |
| 22:22.17 | jelly-home | Some_Person: do you have a second machine someplace else on the internet? |
| 22:22.27 | nimred | apt-cache policy ocaml -> |
| 22:22.29 | nimred | http://sprunge.us/fHDG |
| 22:22.46 | jelly-home | Some_Person: if you do, use iperf -s on one end, iperf -c servername on the other |
| 22:22.58 | nimred | apt-cache policy -> http://sprunge.us/BbSI |
| 22:23.19 | jelly-home | nimred: that's weird. What about "sudo apt-get install ocaml ocaml-nox" |
| 22:23.37 | Some_Person | jelly-home: Well, I'm obviously sitting at a machine so of course I do. Thanks |
| 22:24.37 | jelly-home | Some_Person: your home connection may or may not have limited upload bw itself |
| 22:24.50 | Some_Person | jelly-home: Ah, didn't think of that. You're right |
| 22:24.58 | Some_Person | No, I don't have access to another proper server |
| 22:25.27 | nimred | jelly-home: http://sprunge.us/cSSQ |
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| 22:25.46 | jelly-home | nimred: do an "apt-get update" again. |
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| 22:26.53 | jelly-home | nimred: I have no idea why apt is misbehaving like that |
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| 22:27.52 | jelly-home | nimred: is there anything in "dpkg --get-selections | grep hold" output? |
| 22:27.52 | nimred | jelly-home: `apt-get update` doesn't change anything |
| 22:27.53 | nimred | http://sprunge.us/hJce |
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| 22:28.08 | nimred | nimred@MEDIA9:~$ dpkg --get-selections | grep hold |
| 22:28.08 | nimred | nimred@MEDIA9:~$ |
| 22:28.23 | jelly-home | nimred: I'm out of ideas. |
| 22:28.50 | jelly-home | nimred: you can keep adding packages to apt-get install line, see what happens |
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| 22:29.54 | jelly-home | nimred: I'd advise against messing with important packages like libc6 because, who knows what the vendor has customized. You might end up with an unusable system. |
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| 22:30.50 | jelly-home | Some_Person: I guess if you promise an IP is your server, I can do a iperf -c on it. |
| 22:31.09 | Some_Person | jelly-home: May I PM you? |
| 22:31.12 | jelly-home | sure |
| 22:32.10 | Some_Person | hold on, I've run into another issue: http://paste.ubuntu.com/799939/ |
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| 22:34.30 | alex- | Does Debian haves old packages? |
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| 22:35.06 | Coded1 | hello all |
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| 22:36.12 | zykotick9 | alex-: perhaps you are asking the wrong question. Does Debian have well tested packages? And the answer to that would be Yes ;) |
| 22:36.20 | nimred | jelly-home: how to completly remove a package |
| 22:36.30 | alex- | But FreeBSD haves newer packages |
| 22:36.34 | nimred | I will rsync instead of unison |
| 22:36.44 | nimred | so I need to remove unison |
| 22:36.45 | MWallaceSD | Hello, how can I change my shell resolution? - before I was editing /boot/grub/menu.lst and added VGA=791, now I am editing /etc/defauts/grub and added the resolution 1024x768x32 in the line GRUB_GFXMODE but it only works on the firt screen of the grub (the blue screen) my shell still with the resolution 640x480... Could you help me please??? |
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| 22:37.33 | jelly-home | !tell nimred about purge |
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| 22:41.30 | nimred | jelly-home: ? |
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| 22:42.14 | Coded1 | I just finished installing testing netinstall, all seems well but I am only able to mirror my 2 monitors not 'span' them. Checking my 'dmesg' I find "Unable to load firmware "radeon/R300_cp.bin" ... "Disabling GPU acceleration" |
| 22:42.38 | Coded1 | I tried looking for "linux-firmware" but apparently it is not included in the default sources |
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| 22:44.58 | nimred | good :) |
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| 22:45.59 | zykotick9 | Coded1: other way around firmware-linux (it's probably the non-free firmware-linux-nonfree that you need though) - i'm not an ATI person though, so not sure. |
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| 22:47.40 | Coded1 | zykotick9: "sudo apt-cache search firmware" only returns "firmware-linux-free" |
| 22:47.52 | jelly-home | nimred: did you get dpkg's private message |
| 22:48.26 | Coded1 | is there a source I haven't added to my repo? |
| 22:48.37 | zykotick9 | !tell Coded1 about non-free sources |
| 22:49.14 | zykotick9 | Coded1: unrelated FYI, but apt-cache doesn't need sudo |
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| 22:55.39 | Coded1 | zykotick9: thanks it looks like I didn't have the right sources. Gonna reboot and see if the firmware takes. |
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| 22:59.25 | MWallaceSD | Hello, how can I change my shell resolution? - before I was editing /boot/grub/menu.lst and added VGA=791, now I am editing /etc/defauts/grub and added the resolution 1024x768x32 in the line GRUB_GFXMODE but it only works on the firt screen of the grub (the blue screen) my shell still with the resolution 640x480... I'm not using xorg or any window manager... Could you help me please??? |
| 22:59.36 | Coded1 | it worked, firmware loaded but unable to make monitors not-mirror each other.... |
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| 23:06.15 | dwalu | What's the right way to delete Mysql without breaking everything? aptitude remove mysql-server, aptitude purge mysql-server doesn't do it, it still leaves /etc/mysql, /var/lib/mysql and /usr/lib/mysql |
| 23:06.36 | dwalu | if I delete those directories then try reinstalling mysql then I get a bunch of errors that stuff in /etc/mysql is missing ..yeah that's the point. |
| 23:07.01 | dwalu | is there a magic command flag like aptitude --really-fucking-remove-mysql --purge --diediedie mysql-server or something? |
| 23:07.32 | abrotman | did you think to see what package actually owns those files .. cause that isn't it |
| 23:07.44 | jelly-home | dwalu: did you look at which remaining packages contained those dirs? |
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| 23:08.03 | dwalu | apt-get install mysql-server |
| 23:08.06 | dwalu | apt-get remove mysql-server |
| 23:08.09 | zykotick9 | MWallaceSD: have you tried playing with "set gfxpayload=keep"? |
| 23:08.18 | dwalu | those directories didn't exist before that install |
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| 23:08.40 | jelly-home | dwalu: short answer: that remove command doesn't do what you think it does. |
| 23:08.46 | jelly-home | s/think/hoped/ |
| 23:09.00 | dwalu | 1999 called |
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| 23:09.09 | dwalu | they want their broken package management back |
| 23:09.10 | jelly-home | !tell dwalu about purge |
| 23:09.10 | diogo_79 | hi |
| 23:09.14 | jelly-home | !tell dwalu about search |
| 23:09.21 | abrotman | dwalu: you have no idea what you're doing do you ? |
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| 23:09.30 | abrotman | i mean .. not a freaking clue |
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| 23:09.50 | dwalu | nope no clue whatsoever |
| 23:09.52 | dwalu | jackass |
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| 23:09.54 | jelly-home | abrotman: yes sir capn obvious |
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| 23:10.13 | jelly-home | !next |
| 23:10.13 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 23:10.17 | edvar[d] | :D |
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| 23:10.27 | abrotman | jelly-home: i know .. i only said it was the wrong package, and you said it was the wrong command .. clearly he's got that down pretty well |
| 23:10.37 | dvs | shoulda called me sooner |
| 23:10.48 | edvar[d] | next? |
| 23:10.48 | jelly-home | RAGEQUITs are the best |
| 23:10.52 | edvar[d] | I'm next! |
| 23:10.54 | abrotman | we didn't need an 'eh?' :) |
| 23:11.14 | edvar[d] | only in canada |
| 23:11.37 | edvar[d] | just installed testing |
| 23:11.43 | edvar[d] | booted to garbled screen |
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| 23:11.59 | edvar[d] | like, blinking twitching garbage on my screen |
| 23:12.04 | edvar[d] | then it went blank |
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| 23:12.12 | diogo_79 | i have install the b43 wireless firmware all went ok, but when i try to connect by the network manager to a wireless network all the configuration is ok but the connection cannot be establish and no error message pops out what can it be the error? |
| 23:12.20 | edvar[d] | my video card is an ati 2600 hd |
| 23:12.24 | Alazare619 | does does anyone have experience using the debian netinstall devel? |
| 23:12.34 | Alazare619 | meaning installing testing from netinstall instead of squeeze and upgrading to testing |
| 23:12.36 | edvar[d] | i looked it up on the net, and some people have had this problem since 2006 |
| 23:12.48 | diogo_79 | the codename for this distribution is squeeze |
| 23:12.54 | edvar[d] | switching to a VT gets more garble |
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| 23:13.20 | abrotman | edvar[d]: did stable work ? |
| 23:13.26 | xinkill | Alzara: I did it that way. I have no urged myself to never do that again. |
| 23:13.35 | edvar[d] | yep, but I wanted moar |
| 23:13.41 | edvar[d] | so I decided to try testing |
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| 23:14.30 | xinkill | Alzara: Tell us your problem and I might be able to help. |
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| 23:15.09 | edvar[d] | saw a couple bugs filed against xorg-server-ati but they were old |
| 23:15.13 | edvar[d] | like I said, 2006 |
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| 23:16.03 | decaf | hi everyone. any ideas for cleaning up my system, a away to list files that don't belong to any packages for example? |
| 23:16.18 | edvar[d] | deborphan? |
| 23:16.26 | abrotman | decaf: cruft |
| 23:16.36 | nvz | how can I see whats inside my initrd? |
| 23:16.37 | abrotman | judd: info cruft --release squeeze |
| 23:16.39 | judd | Package cruft (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: Find any cruft built up on your system. Version: 0.9.12; Size: 99.6k; Installed: 1308k; Homepage: http://alioth.debian.org/projects/cruft/ |
| 23:16.55 | edvar[d] | decaf: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/134 |
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| 23:17.16 | nvz | I know what I'm telling it to put in there but it doesnt seem to be the case..heh. I want to see it for myself |
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| 23:17.38 | decaf | cruft looks great, thank you very much. |
| 23:18.19 | edvar[d] | suggested fix for garbled screen is to boot to rescue and install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 23:18.31 | edvar[d] | :/ |
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| 23:19.19 | edvar[d] | I'll try it, but i don't understand it |
| 23:19.33 | abrotman | understand what? it's a blob |
| 23:19.52 | edvar[d] | nonfree firmware? |
| 23:20.02 | edvar[d] | i don't understand why i have to install it |
| 23:20.25 | edvar[d] | just to get a screen |
| 23:20.32 | lstarnes | your graphics driver may require it |
| 23:20.52 | MWallaceSD | zykotick9 no I am not. I just have to add this paramenter set gfxpayload to /etc/dafauts/grub??? |
| 23:21.04 | edvar[d] | it's a new install, I'm guessing the default driver is radeonhd |
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| 23:21.40 | pr0d | Hi all, I installed new drivers for my RTL8111/8168B earlier now its completely dissapeared from ifconfig? Could someone please help :) |
| 23:21.50 | zykotick9 | MWallaceSD: i'm not certain it well help. But I'd think it's worth a try. |
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| 23:22.02 | MWallaceSD | ok |
| 23:22.19 | edvar[d] | I'll try installing the nonfree firmware and check back |
| 23:22.23 | edvar[d] | bye |
| 23:23.05 | zykotick9 | MWallaceSD: don't forget the "update-grub" after (i often do) |
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| 23:24.11 | Taos | HJey i need to get iceweasel in a chroot |
| 23:24.31 | Taos | What do I need to do? |
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| 23:25.07 | abrotman | why in a chroot ? |
| 23:25.20 | Taos | I wanna run a minecraft server and i want it to be secure thus chroot |
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| 23:25.55 | nvz | Idk why I bother asking questions :-P |
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| 23:26.47 | Taos | hm? |
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| 23:28.29 | thewanderer1 | pr0d, where'd you get those "new drivers"? |
| 23:29.24 | pr0d | i followed this guide http://djlab.com/2010/10/fixing-rtl8111-8168b-driver-debian-ubuntu/ |
| 23:29.48 | abrotman | oh god |
| 23:30.17 | abrotman | you downloaded random drivers from the internet and compiled/installed them ? |
| 23:30.30 | pr0d | yes |
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| 23:31.20 | pr0d | you judge someone before looking up what i linked? |
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| 23:33.37 | streuner | i judge you before :-P |
| 23:33.45 | pr0d | lol |
| 23:35.19 | abrotman | pr0d: i did look it up |
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| 23:35.31 | abrotman | or read it . whatever |
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| 23:36.10 | berserkr | hello all. anyone knows if exists a version of debian 6 squeeze 64bits for amazon ec2?? |
| 23:36.17 | pr0d | good job, according to the timestamp it toke u seconds |
| 23:36.25 | pr0d | well read then |
| 23:36.48 | pr0d | tryin bein productive rather than trollin... |
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| 23:38.04 | abrotman | and i'm out .. |
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| 23:38.25 | abrotman | berserkr: doesn't amazon have pre-done images? why do you need amd64 over i386 ? |
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| 23:39.45 | berserkr | abrotman: nope, doesn't have an official version.. |
| 23:40.01 | berserkr | abrotman: i need i386 |
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| 23:40.19 | abrotman | berserkr: yu asked for amd64, not i386 |
| 23:41.29 | berserkr | doesn't matter... no one (i386 or amd64) exists.. |
| 23:41.32 | abrotman | berserkr: looks like they have amd64, but maybe it's only if you pay ? |
| 23:42.11 | berserkr | i don't see any version for pay.. |
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| 23:42.50 | abrotman | berserkr: it says you can have 64bit for Large .. |
| 23:43.06 | abrotman | berserkr: you'd really do better to contact amazon, not ask #debian .. They should know better that they have available |
| 23:43.07 | klh | how does one get php5-cgi to actually work? |
| 23:43.29 | jelly-home | abrotman: it would be nice if the distro provided official images tho |
| 23:43.52 | abrotman | jelly-home: i didn't realize they had to be altered? |
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| 23:44.20 | jelly-home | they're not .AMI or whatever amazon calls it |
| 23:44.35 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 23:44.37 | jelly-home | their VM images with preinstalled OSes |
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| 23:44.53 | berserkr | abrotman: don't be angry.. i only ask if exist an official image for amazon ec2, only this... if not exist any, no problem i'll try to make one if I can... |
| 23:44.56 | jelly-home | VDI? |
| 23:45.16 | abrotman | berserkr: not a Debian produced image .. Amazon may have one |
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| 23:45.30 | abrotman | or some random person on the internet .. what could go wrong |
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| 23:46.27 | dvs | muhahah |
| 23:46.45 | jarray52 | When I run update-grub2 after booting into Debian, the kernels from my other Operating systems aren't found. This didn't happen in the past. Is there a way to resolve this problem? |
| 23:47.09 | abrotman | jarray52: is os-prober installed ? |
| 23:47.24 | jarray52 | abrotman: I doubt it. |
| 23:48.16 | jarray52 | abrotman: I believe it was already installed. |
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| 23:49.25 | MWallaceSD | Reiniciei o shell E NADA!!!! |
| 23:49.36 | MWallaceSD | Sorry wrong channel |
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| 23:52.41 | dutchfish | on what device i can capture sound in y own console app? |
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| 23:53.34 | streuner | dutchfish: youtube? |
| 23:53.43 | dutchfish | more specifically how can i direct xdemorse to listen to another app ie morse |
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| 23:55.14 | dutchfish | streuner, xdemorse .config http://pastebin.com/A9CuGaQn |
| 23:56.08 | dutchfish | streuner, no mather what i select as recording source, it errors out |
| 23:56.43 | dutchfish | streuner, debian/squeeze/x86_64 | xdemorse from testing |
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| 23:57.20 | dutchfish | (there is no package for it on amd64 instable) |
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| 23:57.31 | dutchfish | s/instable/stable |
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| 23:59.30 | dutchfish | streuner, morse works and produces nice beep sover the audio/speakers |
