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| 00:00.09 | cheako | I'll do some testing with jpeg:extent and see if I can't find the mean resolution where visual quality stops diminishing. |
| 00:00.25 | themill | cheako: you need to come up with a scoring algorithm that balances resolution and quality in some way. Then you could do this with perlmagick or similar if you wanted. |
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| 00:02.02 | glick | hi, does anyone know why scp keeps stalling when its halfway through sending a file? |
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| 00:02.21 | glick | it works fine then some random halfway point it just stops and says stalled |
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| 00:04.24 | glick | anyone have any idea? |
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| 00:04.46 | simonlnu | !ecn |
| 00:04.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, ecn is Explicit Congestion Notification - a TCP/IP feature which should be supported by the whole Internet, but unfortunately, some broken firewalls don't like it. To disable: echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn . To disable permanently, echo net/ipv4/tcp_ecn=0 >> /etc/sysctl.conf . See also http://p12n.org/kb/ecn.html; you can disable ECN via iptables selectively. |
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| 00:05.00 | abrotman | simonlnu: it is 2011 ? :) |
| 00:05.07 | simonlnu | hehe |
| 00:05.27 | simonlnu | yes i know it's probably not that, but it sounds like it |
| 00:07.37 | glick | ANYONE? |
| 00:07.39 | glick | aldaldkf |
| 00:07.44 | glick | someone must know why its doing that |
| 00:07.48 | glick | why do scp connections stall? |
| 00:07.53 | K4M5Y5 | wait |
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| 00:08.01 | abrotman | glick: did you read what simonlnu made the bot say? |
| 00:08.10 | abrotman | glick: which version is the sshd on the server? |
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| 00:08.41 | glick | 4.3 abrotman |
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| 00:09.24 | abrotman | i meant the actual version, not some substring |
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| 00:10.54 | abrotman | which is ignored ... |
| 00:10.58 | glick | abrotman: uses protocol 2 |
| 00:11.05 | abrotman | still not answering the question |
| 00:11.06 | glick | the server version os openssh 4 |
| 00:11.26 | abrotman | glick: dpkg -l openssh-server .. what is the version string |
| 00:12.42 | glick | abrotman: 4.3p2 |
| 00:12.48 | glick | thats the version string |
| 00:13.04 | abrotman | it is not |
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| 00:13.37 | abrotman | glick: let's try this another way .. dpkg -l libc6 .. what is the version string ? |
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| 00:15.24 | abrotman | right .. thought so |
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| 00:31.33 | Seppoz | hello, im trying to use a wlan key: RTL8188S WLAN Adapter |
| 00:31.44 | Seppoz | i think it needs a kernel module, how can i get it and install it? |
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| 00:33.22 | xemdetia | I'm confused by my sound. For some reason whenever I have flash open only the first application that opened has sound (there are a few times this doesn't happen) and when I close Opera I get no sound at all. What logs should I even be looking for to figure out what is going on? |
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| 00:34.58 | Seppoz | is there some r8192s_usb package? |
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| 00:35.20 | sharp15 | is there a way to have apt, dpkg or aptitude list off the files a package installed? |
| 00:35.41 | babilen | xemdetia: You probably need something like http://paste.debian.net/152084/ in /etc/asound.conf if you are using pulseaudio |
| 00:35.48 | thewanderer1 | Seppoz, maybe firmware-realtek... but if it's a new chip, it's tough luck |
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| 00:36.10 | Seppoz | iok |
| 00:36.11 | Seppoz | ty |
| 00:36.11 | themill | sharp15: dpkg -L |
| 00:36.22 | babilen | Seppoz: What is the pciid of the device (lspci -nn|grep -i network) ? |
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| 00:37.17 | sharp15 | themill: thank you. |
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| 00:38.09 | whons | Hi. My dns server (using bind9 and dnsservices) suddently stopped working. I tried restarting it and restarting the machine. I'm using debian squeezy. What can I do to troubleshoot the problem? |
| 00:38.15 | Seppoz | babilen: does realtek firmware also includes the staging driver? or only the firmware bins? |
| 00:38.59 | Seppoz | Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0bda:8171 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8188SU 802.11n WLAN Adapter |
| 00:39.05 | babilen | Seppoz: Which firmware (as in the file) do you need? Which module do you use right now? What is the PCIID of your device? |
| 00:39.16 | babilen | Seppoz: Argh, right ... USB :) |
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| 00:40.18 | Seppoz | yes |
| 00:40.34 | Seppoz | http://pastebin.com/T0xjEQg5 |
| 00:40.39 | Seppoz | cant install firmware realtek |
| 00:40.48 | Seppoz | neither from sid nor squeeze |
| 00:41.06 | babilen | Seppoz: That device should be supported on x86 architectures (cf. "/msg dpkg RTL8188SU") -- Make sure that firmware-realtek is installed and reload the module (modprobe -r r8192s_usb ; modprobe r8192s_usb) and check for errors/messages with "dmesg|tail -n 23". You might want to paste the output to http://paste.debian.net |
| 00:41.09 | abrotman | whons: what about it doesn't work? daemon or doesn't answer? |
| 00:41.21 | babilen | !tell Seppoz -about realtek firmware |
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| 00:41.51 | whons | abrotman: it suddently stopped resolving hostnames. It doesn't even work in the same server. But i don't see any error messages and the server starts correctly |
| 00:41.52 | Seppoz | how can i fix that firmware realtek issue? |
| 00:42.17 | babilen | Seppoz: You probably didn't enable non-free sources. I would also like to note that you shouldn't mix stable with anything but squeeze-backports. |
| 00:42.31 | babilen | !tell Seppoz -about make squeeze sources.list |
| 00:42.42 | Seppoz | i did add non-free |
| 00:42.58 | whons | If I try: "nslookup www.google.com 127.0.0.1" I get: "** server can't find www.google.com: REFUSED" |
| 00:43.25 | xemdetia | babilen: After I added what you pastebined to asound.conf and did restart on alsa-utils and then restarted pulseaudio, sound is still not working. I know I can reboot to fix it easily, but are there any other suggestions on how it could be handled? |
| 00:43.32 | abrotman | whons: did you set some ACL ? |
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| 00:43.45 | babilen | Seppoz: Please edit your /etc/apt/sources.list (make sure that you enable contrib and non-free) and run "apt-get update" -- If you still cannot install firmware-realtek paste the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy firmware-realtek" along with your sources.list to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 00:44.07 | babilen | xemdetia: How did you restart pulseaudio? |
| 00:44.51 | whons | abrotman: No, I didn't change anything. I had been working perfectly for the last six months (more or less), and today, a couple hours ago, it suddently stopped. |
| 00:45.04 | xemdetia | killed the pulseaudio process, su to root did alsa-utils restart and then pulseaudio start |
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| 00:47.23 | babilen | xemdetia: PA runs typically on a per-user basis and is not configured as a system daemon -- You might want to start it as your user with "pulseaudio -D" but I am not entirely sure if more magic is needed. It would certainly be easier to relogin or even reboot :-/ (I can understand your hesitation though) |
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| 00:50.17 | imMute | suppose I run a couple apt repositories (for software not related to debian, I'm only asking here because I can't think of a more apt-specific channel). we're tying to find a way to get updates to machines that don't have network connectivity. |
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| 00:50.44 | Seppoz | after installing firmware-realtek there is still no module |
| 00:50.49 | Seppoz | what did i miss? |
| 00:50.57 | Seppoz | # modinfo r8192s_usb |
| 00:50.57 | Seppoz | ERROR: modinfo: could not find module r8192s_usb |
| 00:51.03 | dwfreed | imMute: manually transfer the package list and the debs to the machines |
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| 00:51.14 | imMute | right now, our solution is to make a deb package that contains all the required packages as well as a sources.list file so apt-get can find them on the filesystem. building this package is damned painful so I was looking for a better way |
| 00:51.35 | abrotman | whons: something had to have changed .. did you check your dpkg.log your syslog and messages ? |
| 00:51.50 | abrotman | imMute: ask teh channel for your distro |
| 00:51.50 | whons | abrotman: , i just checked my syslog and I found this: "loading from master file managed-keys.bind failed: file not found" |
| 00:52.14 | abrotman | whons: interesting |
| 00:52.17 | imMute | abrotman: heh, we're just using apt, there is no distro. is there an apt/dpkg specific channel? |
| 00:52.19 | whons | I'm googling it |
| 00:52.54 | Seppoz | babilen: anything else i have todo to get that kernel module? |
| 00:52.58 | whons | but I can assure you that I didn't change anythinng at all. It's a virtual server that it's used only as a dns server, and I hadn't connect to it for months |
| 00:53.07 | abrotman | imMute: no .. how can you not be using a distro, but using apt ? |
| 00:53.28 | imMute | abrotman: think linux from scratch. |
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| 00:53.50 | imMute | abrotman: apt is just a wrapper for dpkg. dpkg is just a packaging system. |
| 00:54.07 | abrotman | uhhuh ... |
| 00:54.16 | abrotman | !tell imMute about apt-zip |
| 00:54.16 | babilen | Seppoz: Which kernel do you have installed? (aptitude versions ~i~n^linux-image) |
| 00:54.18 | abrotman | have a nice day |
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| 00:54.59 | dclarke | question : has anyone managed to install Debian on the Power Mac G5 with dual dual-core PPC processors ? |
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| 00:55.23 | babilen | dclarke: yes |
| 00:55.26 | imMute | abrotman: thanks for teh link |
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| 00:55.44 | nkuttler | dclarke: /msg dpkg ppc |
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| 00:55.55 | dclarke | let me try again : has anyone *here* managed to install Debian ( stable ) on a dual dual-core Power Mac ? |
| 00:56.22 | nkuttler | are G4s dual core? |
| 00:56.30 | dclarke | this is a G5 |
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| 00:56.43 | whons | abrotman: I just found out that I don't have the file called managed-keys.bind in that directory (or in any other). How should I create it? |
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| 00:57.07 | babilen | dclarke: yes -- I have the impression that you run into problems when *you* try that though. You might want to ask about specific problems rather than searching for people with experience. Joining the ppc channel or writing to their mailing list is also an option. |
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| 00:57.32 | dclarke | babilen, k |
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| 00:58.23 | dclarke | babilen : how about this. I can install fine, network config is good, all looks good with text installer and then at first reboot, after initial kernel boot messages fly up the screen I get a blank screen .. no login .. nothing |
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| 01:00.20 | babilen | dclarke: Much better :) -- I can't remember running into that problem back then and can't think of anything right now. I would suggest to try #debianppc (here and on irc.oftc.net) |
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| 01:00.55 | Seppoz | sorry had to reboot |
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| 01:01.10 | Seppoz | babilen: its 2.6.37 |
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| 01:01.29 | babilen | Seppoz: That is not a Debian kernel -- Which distribution do you use? |
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| 01:01.50 | Seppoz | vyatta |
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| 01:02.00 | Seppoz | i 2.6.37-1+vyatta+16+napa1 |
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| 01:02.12 | babilen | !tell Seppoz -about vyatta |
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| 01:02.35 | dclarke | babilen, I went over to #debianppc .. thanks |
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| 01:02.50 | babilen | Seppoz: You want to ask in ##vyatta and not here -- I would also suggest to give Debian a try. (/msg dpkg install debian) |
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| 01:03.36 | Seppoz | babilen: its basically a debian issue, i just want to figure out whats the reason for not having this kernel module |
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| 01:04.21 | babilen | Seppoz: I can't tell you -- It obviously is a problem with their kernel and we *only* support Debian in here for a couple of reasons. Please ask them or install Debian if you want support in here. Good luck! |
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| 01:05.03 | Seppoz | ok, thank you |
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| 01:05.45 | Seppoz | babilen: tell me something please, i have been working with embedded stuff for quite a while, but how it this think with generic x86 kernel... i mean i cant seem to understand how that can work |
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| 01:06.49 | babilen | I don't quite follow -- What do you mean by "generic x86 kernel" ? |
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| 01:08.16 | Seppoz | well it seems they ship the same kernel all over right? |
| 01:08.22 | Seppoz | its not hardware specific |
| 01:08.55 | babilen | Who does? And kernels are definitely hardware specific :-/ |
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| 01:09.32 | Seppoz | babilen: nvm, i do to bed :P ty |
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| 01:15.12 | babilen | Hmm -- My NIC (82579LM) obviously decided that it should negotiate a speed of 10MB/s. That seems to be a bug. /me checks BTS |
| 01:15.38 | dvs | babilen: but that's all you have! ;-P |
| 01:15.57 | babilen | dvs: Believe me - it's not :) |
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| 01:41.04 | falcon | hey folks, I was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction for building/configuring GCC 4.5.3 on Debian Lenny to cross-compile for a Debian Etch target. |
| 01:41.27 | bambanx | guys how i can full uninstall vim ? |
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| 01:43.43 | abrotman | falcon: oh jeez .. why ? |
| 01:43.51 | abrotman | bambanx: aptitude remove vim-common .. maybe ? |
| 01:44.13 | bambanx | how i can see all my vim stuff installed? |
| 01:44.15 | bambanx | with grep |
| 01:44.16 | bambanx | ? |
| 01:44.52 | falcon | abrotman: My company is unable to upgrade our deploy hosts from Etch for the time being but due to a combination of bugs in older versions of gcc we have to use 4.5.3. |
| 01:45.15 | abrotman | falcon: would you like me to tell your bosses about the number of serious security issues on an etch system ? |
| 01:45.30 | abrotman | bambanx: dpkg -l "*vim*" |
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| 01:45.38 | falcon | abrotman: Trust me, they know. We're actually using a newer kernel. It's a gnarly and complicated situation |
| 01:45.59 | falcon | I think it's an etch distro with a lenny kernel, iirc (which I may not) |
| 01:46.12 | abrotman | falcon: why not setup a chroot on your lenny box ? |
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| 01:47.26 | falcon | abrotman: forgive me, I'm originally a windows developer who has only used linux for 2 years and only recently started digging into the depths. How would that help? |
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| 01:48.44 | falcon | I assume the goal there would be to get gcc 4.5.3 to link the build product to legacy libs? |
| 01:48.44 | abrotman | !chroot |
| 01:48.45 | dpkg | a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch09#_chroot_system |
| 01:48.54 | abrotman | perhaps i misrad |
| 01:48.57 | abrotman | misread |
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| 01:49.17 | abrotman | falcon: okay .. why do you need the newer gcc for etch ? |
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| 01:49.52 | falcon | older versions of gcc have a number of bugs in them that cause them to crash when compiling our vendors' libraries. |
| 01:49.57 | babilen | bambanx: Why would you want to do that? Most people would expect at least vim-tiny on every system and it really shouldn't be problematic to keep it. |
| 01:50.05 | homecable | what would the best settings for a 80 gig ssd drive be for a desktop and i have a 1tb drive for /home |
| 01:50.11 | bambanx | becouse i do a lot of thing with vim and i broke it |
| 01:50.15 | bambanx | i wanna re install it |
| 01:50.17 | homecable | what size parts should i use |
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| 01:52.40 | bambanx | babilen, this is my grep vim http://pastebin.com/EH0Jh72c |
| 01:52.59 | falcon | abrotman^^ not sure if you caught my explanation. If you're just busy, feel free not to reply to this ping :) |
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| 01:53.38 | babilen | bambanx: If you want to reinstall all vim packages you can run "aptitude reinstall ~i~n^vim" for example. That is a completely different thing than removing all of it. How did you break it? |
| 01:54.26 | bambanx | i am not sure how i break it xD babilen |
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| 01:54.57 | bambanx | but i am a little psico i wanna uninstall all and later install all clean |
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| 01:55.09 | abrotman | falcon: i might try a chroot before a cross compiler .. |
| 01:55.56 | falcon | abrotman: can you explain in a bit more detail how I would want to set up this chroot/how it would solve the problem? I understand in principle what a chroot is, but not how it applies here |
| 01:56.26 | bambanx | babilen can u help to unistall all? |
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| 01:56.53 | rawtaz | i am having trouble running iozone on squeeze; im running `iozone -azcR -U /mnt/foo -f /mnt/foo/testfile -b exceloutput.xls > logfile` and in /etc/fstab i have a line "192.168.181.60:/mnt/tank/vmware /mnt/foo nfs defaults 0 0", but i get these errors: http://grab.by/byiK (but i changed /mnt to /mnt/foo now) - as you can see i can mount and unmount seemingly using the fstab. any ideas on what i can do to make it run successfully? |
| 01:57.06 | babilen | bambanx: "aptitude purge ~i~n^vim" will do -- But *what* is actually broken? |
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| 01:59.37 | abrotman | falcon: give me a few .. gotta run away for five minutes .. or see if anyone else has a bright idea :) |
| 01:59.54 | falcon | kk. If I'm gone, I'm just heading home and will be on again in a bit. |
| 01:59.58 | abrotman | okay |
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| 02:02.51 | moes | Downloaded Debian-live-6.0.3-i386-standard.iso..checked md5 sum matched..burned to cd/rw at 4x..loads to prompt-user@debian:~$..anything I enter is wrong command |
| 02:02.54 | bambanx | babilen i run the command how i can see if vim is fully uninstalled now? |
| 02:03.17 | dekips | I've been bashing my ahead into the wall.. i can't seem to get apt-get working again :( |
| 02:03.59 | abrotman | falcon: i'd imagine if oyu setup a replica etch environment with your new GCC .. might be easier than trying to create a crosscompiler |
| 02:04.01 | dekips | after apt-get upgrade i get a "debconf: Perl may be unconfigured (Can't locate Debconf/FrontEnd/Noninteractive.pm" |
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| 02:04.12 | abrotman | dekips: so install the package with that file ? |
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| 02:04.18 | babilen | bambanx: "aptitude search ~i~n^vim" should list no packages. |
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| 02:04.44 | dekips | abrotman: What package is that? I can't install any packages. dpkg also bombs on me |
| 02:04.46 | falcon | abrotman: well, that's similar to what I started trying to do which was force g++ 4.5 to link against the libs that 4.1 would have linked against |
| 02:04.47 | bambanx | babilen, i run dont show me nothing |
| 02:05.01 | bambanx | :) |
| 02:05.03 | dekips | # dpkg-reconfigure -f readline debconf Can't locate Debconf/FrontEnd/Noninteractive.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) |
| 02:05.31 | dekips | i've tried searching forums and can't seem to find the solution |
| 02:06.16 | falcon | abrotman: unfortunately, although using -nostdlib and explicitly linking the older libstdc++ and libgcc, I couldn't figure out where 4.1 was getting libc from |
| 02:06.31 | abrotman | judd: file Debconf/FrontEnd/Noninteractive.pm --release squeeze |
| 02:06.35 | judd | Search for Debconf/FrontEnd/Noninteractive.pm in squeeze/i386: debconf: usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd/Noninteractive.pm |
| 02:06.49 | abrotman | dekips: so you broke debconf itself ? |
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| 02:07.05 | abrotman | dekips: please put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 02:07.19 | bambanx | thanks babilen always saving my ass |
| 02:07.24 | dekips | somehow i was being a good debian citizen and debconf commited suicide. lol |
| 02:07.24 | dekips | sec |
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| 02:07.52 | bambanx | babilen, men now how i can install the huge vim , this vim it have clipboard support and python compiled with ruby and all stuffs? |
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| 02:08.21 | dekips | http://mibpaste.com/QP4SJD |
| 02:09.21 | dekips | it just cropped up after i ran apt-get update then apt-get upgrade |
| 02:09.24 | abrotman | falcon: this just sounds like an exercise in frustration :( |
| 02:09.25 | dekips | apt-get update works flawless |
| 02:09.31 | falcon | abrotman: tell me about it. |
| 02:09.43 | falcon | I want to ask on #gcc but I can't figure out how since it's moderated |
| 02:09.44 | dekips | apt-get upgrade errors out when installing packages |
| 02:09.47 | abrotman | dekips: use wget to download the debconf from squeeze .. reinstall it |
| 02:09.49 | falcon | (I'm not a big IRC guy :) |
| 02:09.51 | babilen | bambanx: There are a variety of "large" vim packages -- If you want gvim as well I would suggest either vim-gtk ot vim-gnome |
| 02:09.57 | abrotman | falcon: /msg nickserv help register |
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| 02:10.16 | dekips | k |
| 02:11.01 | bambanx | both have copyclipboard and python babilen ? |
| 02:11.09 | bambanx | i mean gtk and gnome versions ? |
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| 02:11.41 | falcon | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:12.28 | Alparra | hi. i can only use on a computer VESA with screen resolution 1280x800. I'm connected to it trough ssh, What should i change in /etc/default/grub so when i boot i can read what's on the screen? |
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| 02:13.24 | babilen | bambanx: yes -- but you can read the package description for all vim- packages with "aptitude show ~n^vim" -- Pick the one you like best. |
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| 02:14.56 | dekips | abrotman: you rock! debconf reinstall did it |
| 02:15.01 | bambanx | cool |
| 02:15.06 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 02:15.11 | dekips | i guess debconf got knocked out somehow |
| 02:15.13 | moes | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.23 | dekips | thank you kindly |
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| 02:22.25 | Alparra | someone could help me with that, please |
| 02:29.16 | abrotman | Alparra: you didn't even tell us what resolution you want or what video card you have |
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| 02:31.02 | Alparra | albrotman i did even tell the resollution and that video card is faulty, being so the help for the VESA instructions |
| 02:31.57 | abrotman | tries to recompile that |
| 02:32.34 | Alparra | ya it's hard, from your first comment... |
| 02:32.49 | abrotman | okay .. have fun |
| 02:33.16 | Alparra | thank you - better say "i don't know' |
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| 02:33.35 | abrotman | i don't even see a question |
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| 02:35.55 | Alparra | that's a matter of glasses or better resolution on your monitor, not a grub2 situation :p |
| 02:36.17 | abrotman | Alparra: perhaps since you're the one seeking help, you could try to rephrase your question ? |
| 02:37.23 | moes | debian-live-6.0.3-i386-standard-iso..checked md5 sum okay..burned to cd/rw at 4x ...loads to prompt..user@debian:~$...cannot get beyond the login prompt |
| 02:37.45 | abrotman | moes: tried full path to binaries ? |
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| 02:38.56 | moes | abrotman, Do not know where binaries are located |
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| 02:40.15 | abrotman | moes: /bin/ /usr/bin/ ? |
| 02:40.42 | moes | abrotman, Ok thanks |
| 02:41.22 | dwfreed | and occasionally /sbin and /usr/sbin :) |
| 02:41.57 | imMute | also, `which` is your friend. |
| 02:41.59 | Alparra | abrotman, it's so simple as this ' GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="nomodeset" ' in order to get text reading . The only parameters i'm not sure are about the resolution. |
| 02:43.26 | abrotman | imMute: he just said he can't run binaries .. probably doesn't have a path ? |
| 02:44.49 | abrotman | Alparra: stopped caring when you refused to rephrase your question .. have a good night, good luck |
| 02:44.55 | jordanm | imMute: `type` is preferred over which if you are using bash or ksh |
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| 02:46.34 | imMute | abrotman: that would be my guess. |
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| 02:47.00 | jordanm | imMute: sorry, I mean zsh. ksh possibly as well, I never use it |
| 02:47.18 | Alparra | abrotman, if i need to rephrase my point/question i'll have to read whole grub2 manual - and then i know what to do- and tell you, which is pointless for this precise matter. |
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| 02:47.50 | abrotman | Alparra: have fun reading! |
| 02:48.08 | Alparra | yeap |
| 02:48.40 | moes | abrotman, The bin etc are telling me they are directories |
| 02:49.18 | abrotman | moes: ls -l /bin/ls .. what does it say ? |
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| 03:01.18 | balleyne | I'm having problems with a server that becomes unresponsive for ~5 min intermittently (~daily, different times, sometimes more than once during the day), and I found some lines in /var/log/syslog that seem to correspond with some of the outages with this message: thales kernel: [2853997.894182] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 62s! [php5-cgi:7382] |
| 03:01.25 | balleyne | different process every time... |
| 03:01.33 | balleyne | any ideas what could be the cause? |
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| 03:02.04 | abrotman | balleyne: what is 'uname -r' ? |
| 03:02.23 | balleyne | 2.6.32-5-686-bigmem |
| 03:02.35 | abrotman | balleyne: checked for firmware updates for your hardware? |
| 03:03.31 | balleyne | abrotman, it's a server hosted with iWeb, I've only been checking the software side. So I guess I should get in touch with them... |
| 03:04.07 | jordanm | balleyne: is there a stack trace to go with that entry? |
| 03:05.41 | abrotman | wonders why his virtualbox has gone molasses |
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| 03:07.20 | imMute | abrotman: no idea. vbox is horribly slow for me. takes two hours to compile something that is done in 5 minutes on native. |
| 03:07.22 | abrotman | !tell moes about root |
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| 03:07.37 | abrotman | imMute: i have the modules in place .. used to be much faster before 3.x |
| 03:07.40 | balleyne | jordanm, here's a stack trace from that error occuring twice, back to back, a couple days ago: http://pastebin.com/cDCebMTn |
| 03:08.23 | jordanm | balleyne: its a xen vps and not a real phsyical server? |
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| 03:08.46 | qxt | Just installed lightdm with xfce. Was wondering where I the proper place for the dm splash screen should be |
| 03:09.26 | balleyne | jordanm, yes (an iWeb Smart Server -- a Xen VPS on dedicated hardware) |
| 03:10.03 | jordanm | balleyne: does it have > 4gb of ram? |
| 03:10.17 | balleyne | jordanm, 4GB |
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| 03:11.06 | abrotman | he could try the bpo kernel .. see if that makes a difference |
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| 03:14.12 | qxt | Should I place the lightdm splash screen under /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops ? |
| 03:14.38 | qxt | I am a bit anal about these things |
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| 03:16.57 | balleyne | jordanm, abrotman thanks for your help, I'm going to follow up with iWeb because everything does seem to point to some kind of Xen / kernel issue |
| 03:17.28 | jordanm | balleyne: I would contact the host, my interpretation of the stack trace (I am not a kernel programming) is an issue accessing RAM |
| 03:17.44 | jordanm | balleyne: I am suprised they didn't give you a 64bit box |
| 03:18.17 | abrotman | why? |
| 03:18.42 | balleyne | jordanm, hmm, the issue did start after a RAM upgrade. Though, that could also be a change in kernel with the restart corresponding with the upgrade... |
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| 03:29.03 | Peter1234 | Wow didn't know this one exist whats the difference from this channel and the one on the debian.org server ? |
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| 03:29.50 | epsilon | more people |
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| 03:30.06 | Peter1234 | yah i noticed that lol 3 times more people |
| 03:30.36 | bambanx | babilen, when i install vim i have all my setup becose i use a sh file for install it with my custom setup , for do this i need to do like root and it works , but when i run vim non-root its open my vim without my customs |
| 03:31.07 | babilen | bambanx: You mean your user's .vimrc is not evaluated? |
| 03:31.25 | bambanx | babilen, in simple words and sorry for my english, when i run vim how root its works with my all customs setting, but when i run non root it not |
| 03:31.55 | babilen | bambanx: And you use the same /root/.vimrc and ~/.vimrc ? |
| 03:32.14 | bambanx | m i am not sure |
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| 03:34.06 | bambanx | babilen, i have only one vimrc |
| 03:34.15 | babilen | bambanx: Where is that? |
| 03:34.24 | bambanx | lemme see |
| 03:35.11 | bambanx | dam is on my root |
| 03:35.23 | bambanx | not in my user babilen |
| 03:35.40 | bambanx | i should move it to my user ? or copy maybe? babilen |
| 03:36.17 | babilen | So it isn't really surprising that you see the behaviour you are seeing -- Yeah, copy it over. root and your user are completely unrelated as far as vim is concerned. |
| 03:38.14 | abrotman | apt-get moo! |
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| 03:40.48 | bambanx | babilen, i copy this on my user and root and works well for both case =) thanks bro |
| 03:40.58 | babilen | np |
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| 04:17.45 | bambanx | how i can install vim-gnome 7.3 version? debian have only 7-2 |
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| 04:18.08 | FA | download the source and build it |
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| 04:19.47 | FA | actually bambanx see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1558288 |
| 04:22.25 | vagothcpp | If I do a netinst, can i use the dvds to install packages? Debian Squeeze |
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| 04:26.07 | technologov | vagothcpp, yes, just configure apt properly |
| 04:26.39 | technologov | vagothcpp, I see no need for it however; Installing from the DVDs is much faster and easier. |
| 04:27.25 | vagothcpp | technologov, I don't have internet at home, but I can do a netinst now and download the dvds for installing packages later |
| 04:27.37 | technologov | vagothcpp, better not. |
| 04:27.47 | technologov | better download whole 8 DVDs |
| 04:27.50 | dxtr | vagothcpp: No... internet? omg |
| 04:27.51 | technologov | (or buy them) |
| 04:28.00 | technologov | then install from them. |
| 04:28.28 | dxtr | vagothcpp: I would feel naked, exposed and scared without access to the internet :( |
| 04:28.32 | technologov | Debian is the most offline-user-friendly distro of all. |
| 04:30.39 | vagothcpp | dxtr, i do feel nacked, exposed and scared |
| 04:30.51 | vagothcpp | technologov, unlike my current ubuntu install |
| 04:31.55 | technologov | vagothcpp, also, if you're a developer, I would strongly recommend you to obtain the 6 DVDs of the Debian source code. |
| 04:32.01 | dxtr | vagothcpp: I feel sorry for you, man. Come visit me sometime! I have lots of bandwidth left :D |
| 04:32.32 | technologov | dxtr, I _do_ have Internet, but I'm pretty much Internet-independent guy. |
| 04:32.44 | technologov | that is: I have full Debian set offline. |
| 04:32.54 | technologov | plus lots of other software offline |
| 04:33.05 | technologov | +videos+music+books+... all offline |
| 04:33.15 | dxtr | I guess I'm of the younger generation who thinks a computer is worthless without access to the internet :D |
| 04:33.16 | technologov | reason: I don't want to be dependent on the Internet |
| 04:33.44 | dxtr | Like when I'm coding. "I'm just gonna Goo... No I'm not... :(" |
| 04:33.51 | technologov | I lose control of own computer, when I'm dependent on it. |
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| 04:34.03 | vagothcpp | Well it is quite annoying for me starting a uni degree soon and with a hobby in computer programming |
| 04:34.24 | technologov | unless the degree is in programming :) |
| 04:34.33 | vagothcpp | technologov, well its not |
| 04:34.35 | dxtr | vagothcpp: Dude where do you live? We have got to solve this |
| 04:34.51 | technologov | North Korea ? ^^ |
| 04:35.01 | dxtr | Hehe |
| 04:35.17 | vagothcpp | Mai so ui? |
| 04:35.26 | technologov | Seriously: even though I have internet, I prefer to keep everything offline. This is the only way to _ensure_ and _enforce_ control over _my_ data. |
| 04:35.49 | vagothcpp | dxtr, and australia |
| 04:36.10 | vagothcpp | I just have an outstanding debt on my phone bill that holds up transfering my line to another provider |
| 04:36.21 | dxtr | vagothcpp: I have a cousin in Australia D |
| 04:36.22 | dxtr | :D |
| 04:36.51 | vagothcpp | im so sorry |
| 04:36.56 | technologov | One of the implications is that friends push me to "online" distros, (also called "rolling-release"), and I so "No". It fails my philosophy of what an operating-system is. |
| 04:37.21 | technologov | it fails my basic concepts. |
| 04:37.23 | vagothcpp | I love offline use, just aslong as i can be online at the same time |
| 04:37.38 | vagothcpp | otherwise everythign sucks |
| 04:37.39 | technologov | y, that's what I decided for me. |
| 04:38.07 | vagothcpp | technologov, dont take this the wrong way, but point made |
| 04:38.07 | dxtr | I download way too much porn to not have a 100Mbps connection |
| 04:38.22 | dxtr | Considering upgrading to 1Gbps |
| 04:38.29 | technologov | he he |
| 04:38.31 | vagothcpp | dxtr, where do you live to get access to a 100Mbps |
| 04:38.40 | dxtr | vagothcpp: Sweden |
| 04:39.00 | dxtr | vagothcpp: I have access to 1Gbps if I wish :P |
| 04:39.15 | vagothcpp | Fastest residential internet speed at the moment is 30Mbps that works at about 10Mbps offpeak but i dont even have that |
| 04:39.35 | dxtr | third world countries y'know ;) |
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| 04:40.00 | dxtr | Well, it's all about priorities. We have spent insane amounts of tax money on infrastructure |
| 04:40.16 | technologov | Iran is limited to 128 kbp/s. |
| 04:40.41 | vagothcpp | dxtr, i dont care if I have to pay lots for infrastructure, cause i want it there not on its way but will never arrive |
| 04:40.41 | dxtr | How could one possibly download 1080p porn with that!+ |
| 04:40.43 | technologov | North korea lacks Internet at all (unless you have special permissions). |
| 04:40.46 | bambanx | damn, anyone know how compile vim 7.3 on debian? |
| 04:41.10 | dxtr | bambanx: Download the source, ./configure && make && sudo make install? |
| 04:41.13 | technologov | dxtr, easy: buy on blue-ray. |
| 04:41.27 | dxtr | technologov: But... but... piracy :( |
| 04:41.27 | vagothcpp | dxtr, what is swedens stem cell research policy, if you know |
| 04:41.39 | technologov | dxtr, I lived _before_ the Internet age. I used used CDs more aggressively. |
| 04:41.54 | bambanx | dxtr, dont work it say , go out of directory |
| 04:42.01 | vagothcpp | technologov, didn't know you could re-use cd's |
| 04:42.08 | dxtr | vagothcpp: CD-RW |
| 04:42.12 | technologov | ofc. u can |
| 04:42.27 | technologov | CD-RW |
| 04:42.27 | dxtr | vagothcpp: Also, wtf. Our stem cell research policy!? What kind of question is that!? :D |
| 04:42.42 | vagothcpp | dxtr, a question i dont know the answer too which is why i asked |
| 04:42.56 | dxtr | But a quick googling showed me that we apparently have a lot of stem cell research |
| 04:43.28 | dxtr | "Medical breakthrough: Successful Stem Cell Transplant in Sweden..." |
| 04:43.47 | dxtr | Also, Wikipedia said the sae thing |
| 04:43.48 | dxtr | same |
| 04:43.52 | vagothcpp | dxtr, might come work there =P |
| 04:44.35 | Harzilein | technologov: 'and I so "No".' <- i think the common idiom is "i'm like 'no'" ;) |
| 04:44.43 | technologov | but now I have a community problem: I developed some uber-cool feature for VirtualBox, which improves the integration between Debian-and-VirtualBox significantly, but no one to review it. It lets you automcatically install Debian-on-vbox in just 10 mins, with few clicks ! Problem is: Oracle devs are busy, and the vbox community consists of only-users. |
| 04:45.01 | dxtr | vagothcpp: btw, #debian-offtopic :) |
| 04:45.04 | dxtr | People might get upset |
| 04:45.24 | technologov | ok |
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| 04:47.27 | Harzilein | technologov: that sounds a bit like... how was its name... vagrant |
| 04:47.55 | technologov | I looked at vagrant -- vagrant is for servers; My project is for desktops. |
| 04:48.13 | technologov | We share few basic concepts, but no code. |
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| 04:50.01 | rick007 | hello, run Debian Wheezy AMD 64 - on a quad core Phenom from HP - everything seem to run smooth, except that I have a continous error Data Cache Error: during L1 linefill from L2. - cache level: L2, tx: DATA, mem-tx: DRD MC1_STATUS[Over|CE|-|-|-]: 0xd000000000000171 ---Instruction Cache Error: Copyback Parity/Victim---- the error is similar to this -> -- but the kernele is 3.1.01 (what wheezy is currently) - can anyone advise wh |
| 04:50.01 | rick007 | at to do ? http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2011/04/msg00358.html |
| 04:50.15 | Harzilein | i wonder if puppet will ever get used to administer saas offerings. it has iaas stuff integrated via fog, it even has network hardware... but so far no user provisioning for, say, a sip provider, gmail and your team's redmine |
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| 04:58.19 | tidux | I'm having a possible kernel problem in Sid |
| 04:58.35 | tidux | I'm getting "Fatal: module fbcon not found" when I try to start stumpwm |
| 04:58.45 | tidux | pekwm and fvwm both work |
| 04:59.36 | tidux | I'm running linux-image-3.1.0-1-amd64 |
| 05:00.04 | rick007 | what CPU do you have ? |
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| 05:00.47 | tidux | rick007: Atom N450 running in 64-bit mode |
| 05:01.18 | tidux | this hasn't happened before, even with GNOME Shell |
| 05:02.15 | tidux | so I know this thing can do compositing |
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| 05:03.27 | technologov | vagothcpp, Debian supports so-called "isohybrid" - it let's you drop the whole Debian into USB disk, and install from there... |
| 05:03.46 | technologov | like this: $ cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX |
| 05:04.15 | technologov | vagothcpp, it is _very_ useful for offline users |
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| 05:05.29 | Kull | Hi. I just installed Debian's freebsd, but it didn't detect my network card and I have no idea how to fix it. I have a very minimal system (netinstall disk with no packages beyond the base). How do I find out what kind of ethernet card I have and if the driver is supported? I have an old Pentium 3, and the ethernet works for all Linux and Windows out of the box. |
| 05:05.39 | Kull | ifconfig -a shows only a loopback interface,. |
| 05:05.42 | Kull | .... |
| 05:05.55 | tidux | kFreeBSD might not have drivers |
| 05:06.00 | tidux | it's not Linux |
| 05:06.21 | Kull | "How do I find out what kind of ethernet card I have and if the driver is supported?" |
| 05:06.32 | technologov | Kull, and for this reason, I strongly recommend you to install it on virtual machines first |
| 05:06.34 | rick007 | Kull: not sure for bsd - but in linux you type lspci - that gives you the hardware |
| 05:06.38 | rick007 | lspci -v |
| 05:06.51 | technologov | Kull, such as 'VirtualBox' |
| 05:06.54 | Kull | techie26: the box is too slow for VMs, it works on my other boxes. |
| 05:07.36 | Kull | technologov: ^ |
| 05:07.49 | rick007 | then - once you know the name and version of hardware - google it for nvidia whatever unix driver |
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| 05:08.50 | tidux | rick007: oh, and StumpWM worked on my i5 system also running Sid earlier today |
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| 05:10.29 | rick007 | tidux: sorry, I do not use fancy shells - whatever comes as shell and nano as editor - but those mentioned by you look cool - however I do not know that is the problem |
| 05:11.22 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there every one .... i am having some issue with update-alternatives ... i have added firefox to the list and made it the most prior but still google chrome loads as a default ... any help ? ( knowingly that i have uninstalled kde then installed gnome on top of it ) |
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| 05:11.25 | Kull | How do I install drivers for a box that has no internet connection? |
| 05:11.51 | technologov | Kull, over USB flash or via CD-RW |
| 05:12.33 | Kull | The fact that FreeBSD doesnt recognize this very generic, extremely common ethernet device is absurd. |
| 05:12.38 | Kull | I must be missing something. |
| 05:12.44 | cobra-the-joker | http://pastebin.com/Rccwbrzt <- output of update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
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| 05:19.00 | tidux | oh hey, got it working now |
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| 05:21.16 | rick007 | !dm-multipath |
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| 05:29.02 | bambanx | when i am like a root in my shell how i can quit of root ' |
| 05:29.03 | bambanx | ? |
| 05:30.11 | TechDesk | exit |
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| 05:30.34 | bambanx | thanks |
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| 05:31.05 | TechDesk | sorry i don't speak english, i understand only |
| 05:31.30 | bambanx | i dont speak very well too TechDesk |
| 05:31.35 | TechDesk | :) |
| 05:31.53 | bambanx | what u speak ? |
| 05:32.03 | TechDesk | french |
| 05:32.07 | bambanx | nice |
| 05:32.59 | TechDesk | i go to work, at this evening |
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| 06:06.01 | Larz | was going to change the splash screen of Grub2. I thought I needed to change WALLPAPPER= under /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme . For some reason I can't find wallpaper there? |
| 06:06.40 | Larz | ie WALLPAPER="/the/location/of your/images/[my_background].png" |
| 06:07.41 | Larz | sure the spaceship is cute but it really does not fit the dark theme I made for xfce. |
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| 06:16.01 | blubberdiblub | Larz, you should probably put your settings into /etc/grub/default instead of into /etc/grub.d/. it's more maintainable that way |
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| 06:17.12 | Larz | blubberdiblub Ill take a look at it. Think what I am looking for might now be called set_background_image btw |
| 06:18.05 | blubberdiblub | Larz, i don't know the name of the setting, since i don't use grub image themes, sorry |
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| 06:19.08 | Larz | blubberdiblub well it will give me a reason to fiddle with grub2. For once I have a half valid reason =) |
| 06:19.54 | blubberdiblub | Larz, looking at 05_debain_theme, i guess it's "GRUB_BACKGROUND=" what you'll have to put into /etc/default/grub |
| 06:20.26 | blubberdiblub | Larz, ah, oops, and up there i meant /etc/default/grub of course, not the mistyped path |
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| 06:21.32 | Larz | blubberdiblub but a google said that GRUB_BACKGROUND was wrong. http://wiki.bodhilinux.com/doku.php?id=grub2_-_notes_on_splash_screen_changes |
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| 06:22.08 | Larz | blubberdiblub but the naming is confusing I must admit. |
| 06:22.18 | blubberdiblub | Larz, looks like ubuntu to me |
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| 06:22.44 | Larz | blubberdiblub yeah true. |
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| 07:00.16 | milligan | Good morning. I have a TS7300 board (Embedded) with arm architecture. I'd like to build a custom version of debian to put on it. I realize that this is probably a vague question, but is that idea something that could be "easily" achieved, or am I looking at days and days of work ? |
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| 07:01.42 | technologov | building "custom versions of debian" is weeks and weeks of work |
| 07:02.15 | gnarface | milligan: it can be done easily but only with knowledge that is highly secret (read - none of the rat bastards who knows how to do it is very interested in writing tutorials for us noobs) |
| 07:02.45 | milligan | Yeah. I might have been a bit vague saying "custom" though. I'm thinking more in the ways of a normal debian installation, but stripping it of software I don't really need.. leaving pretty much the package-manager intact, and putting i.e lighthttp on it and prepping it etc.. |
| 07:03.01 | milligan | gnarface, hehehe :) Go figure |
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| 07:03.27 | gnarface | milligan: but by "custom versions of debian" i think you just mean a stripped-down only-my-motherboard kernel and an otherwise pretty much stock debian armel (but i'd be talking out my ass here.) |
| 07:03.58 | milligan | gnarface, I'd have to give you a 10 out of 10 on that assumption. Your ass is pretty smart :) |
| 07:04.12 | gnarface | haha maybe i should let it do the talking more often |
| 07:04.23 | nevyn | agrees gnarface is a smartass |
| 07:04.31 | gnarface | :-p |
| 07:04.37 | nevyn | wait.. that means somthing else in the english yes? |
| 07:04.44 | nevyn | ;) |
| 07:05.20 | milligan | So .. could I like maybe set up a chroot or something .. remove software etc .. or would I have to be looking at other solutions since my comp is x86 ? |
| 07:06.52 | cardamon | Where's $PATH set? |
| 07:08.31 | peterrooney | cardamon: many places, with sometimes convoluted logic. /join #bash |
| 07:08.44 | gnarface | milligan: well i've heard a lot of conflicting information. *one* source i read says that *will* work actually. most people have told me to use embedian though. |
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| 07:09.12 | cardamon | peterrooney: I just wanted to change my user's $PATH to match roots so I can tab complete while sudoing a command. |
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| 07:09.23 | gnarface | milligan: in general its basically just a matter of the right cross-compiler and the right cross-compilation flags. |
| 07:09.30 | milligan | gnarface, I'm leaning towards embedian .. (I presume that's a release meant for embedded systems) |
| 07:09.34 | cardamon | I've done it before I just forgot where the file is. |
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| 07:10.00 | gnarface | milligan: its closer to what the peopel around here would call a "custom version of debian" but i think there's more to it than that |
| 07:10.40 | gnarface | milligan: it *should* allow you to compile a bootable kernel for your device. figuring out the kernel configuration options for that particular board however might be a trail-and-error game |
| 07:10.42 | nevyn | gnarface: doesn't it use udebs and drop /usr/doc/* etc? |
| 07:11.02 | nevyn | gnarface: it's not like ARM is undergoing daily tectonic shifts or anything... |
| 07:11.05 | nevyn | oh wait it is |
| 07:11.16 | nevyn | (arm in the linux kernel not arm the architecture) |
| 07:11.19 | gnarface | nevyn: i don't know that much about it. i only know that's where i'm looking next to try to cram linux on my palm pilot (which for my specific model its reported actually to work) |
| 07:11.50 | cardamon | peterrooney: FOUND IT. it's set in /etc/profile. |
| 07:11.52 | gnarface | nevyn, milligan i have also looked into squeezebox which looks promising |
| 07:12.03 | milligan | *googles* |
| 07:12.17 | gnarface | er |
| 07:12.28 | gnarface | hmm. i think that's the wrong name |
| 07:12.49 | milligan | googles claiming that to be a music player :p |
| 07:12.55 | gnarface | no i got the wrong name |
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| 07:13.20 | gnarface | shoot what the hell was that |
| 07:13.22 | gnarface | something like that |
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| 07:14.09 | zykotick9 | freedombox? |
| 07:14.47 | milligan | Well .. if I'm not being rude twisting the talk back to embedian .. Would I be able to simulate the installation on my x86? Install software and set it up the way I need it and create i.e a .img of the install so that I could rapidly deploy it to other devices? |
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| 07:15.21 | nevyn | milligan: not trivially. |
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| 07:16.12 | milligan | poo. I was hoping this would be "easy" :) |
| 07:16.56 | gnarface | milligan: i've heard qemu is for doing that |
| 07:17.00 | milligan | Guess I should try to get embedian running on it then .. customize it through the box itself, and then just dd the cf card. |
| 07:17.12 | gnarface | milligan: i'm not sure about the 'easy' but qemu is for exactly that |
| 07:17.24 | milligan | I took a look at qemu yesterday .. didn't make much sense of it unfortunately. |
| 07:18.17 | gnarface | milligan: ooh i just remembered the name |
| 07:18.20 | gnarface | milligan: scratchbox |
| 07:18.29 | gnarface | milligan: that's the one that's supposed to make it "easy" |
| 07:18.36 | milligan | ah, nice |
| 07:18.40 | milligan | a crosscompile toolkit |
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| 07:19.12 | milligan | that looks perfect actually |
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| 07:28.49 | monk | We are Gentoo. We will add your source and technological distinctiveness to our own. Resistance is futile. |
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| 07:36.52 | TheBadShepperd | Quick crontabs question. I'm trying to have it ping a server every Wensday at 4AM and append it the a file. |
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| 07:37.11 | TheBadShepperd | "0 3 * * 3 /bin/ping myserver.co -c 250 >> wenping" is correct? |
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| 07:40.39 | milligan | Wouldn't it be 0 4 * * 3 ? |
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| 07:41.45 | milligan | (crontab starts on Sunday (0)) @ TheBadShepperd |
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| 07:43.18 | TheBadShepperd | Derp. Thanks! |
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| 07:44.59 | fredddd | Would anyone know how to put a number stored in a file as a BASH variable? |
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| 07:45.34 | milligan | fredddd, does the file contain that number only ? |
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| 07:48.09 | fredddd | milligan, yes. |
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| 07:48.47 | milligan | fredddd, myvar=`cat filename.txt` \r\n echo $myvar |
| 07:49.00 | milligan | (replace \r\n with a keystroke return) |
| 07:49.18 | fredddd | Huh? |
| 07:49.20 | fredddd | is confused |
| 07:49.49 | milligan | http://pastebin.com/xUkTCn0h |
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| 07:52.26 | milligan | hahaha. I'm reading an article on "Debian vs Ubuntu". http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/12068_3890111_3/Debian-vs-Ubuntu-Contrasting-Philosophies.htm . And I quote: "By contrast, the Debian community has a reputation of being a more aggressive place -- one that has sometimes been accused of being unfriendly to women in particular and newcomers in general" |
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| 07:55.30 | stockholm | i have stale devices in /dev/mapper/*, being links to just-as-stale devices in /dev/dm-X |
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| 07:56.09 | stockholm | i do get info for them with sudo udevadm info -a -n /dev/dm-3 |
| 07:56.24 | stockholm | how can i get rid of those devices? |
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| 07:56.35 | stockholm | unmounting is not possible as they are not mounted anymore |
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| 08:10.33 | wireless | I'm running fluxbox installed on ubuntu 11.10, but still have all the gnome programs. I need to change my voume, but dont have the gnome-panel. whats the command to get the volume controls up? (not the mixer on the panel, but the sound prefernces one) THANKS |
| 08:10.50 | milligan | alsamixer ? |
| 08:11.13 | wireless | didnt work |
| 08:11.19 | wireless | thanks though |
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| 08:11.22 | wireless | gosh how frustrating |
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| 08:11.42 | milligan | You didn't manage to change your volume with alsamixer ? |
| 08:11.50 | milligan | or alsamixer didn't run ? |
| 08:11.59 | wireless | wait its a terminal program |
| 08:12.08 | wireless | I tried running it with alt f2 |
| 08:12.15 | wireless | let me test if it works |
| 08:12.42 | wireless | you rock |
| 08:12.43 | wireless | thanks |
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| 08:12.50 | milligan | bobs back and forth |
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| 08:18.35 | ksuhku | wireless, check out amixer as well for scripts (e.g. hotkeys) |
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| 08:27.09 | cousin_luigi | Hello. |
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| 08:27.47 | wireless | hi |
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| 08:28.26 | cousin_luigi | has a problem with his hardware clock: TZ is set to CET, but the RTC does not store time in UTC, so at every reboot the time is an hour ahead. How would you address that? |
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| 08:32.23 | Iridos | hwclock? |
| 08:32.50 | NASDAQEnema | kdenlive .8.2.1 shows inverted colors |
| 08:33.14 | NASDAQEnema | on Intel 965 chip |
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| 08:45.43 | optraz | is it possible to take a video screenshots? |
| 08:46.18 | laser | Odd question. Is Debian 32bit more stable than 64bit? I'm experiencing Google-Chrome hiccups. Occasional high CPU/MEM spikes. |
| 08:47.06 | laser | optraz: recordmydesktop, gtk-recordmydesktop |
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| 08:48.38 | optraz | ok thanks laser |
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| 08:50.02 | cousin_luigi | keeps receiving this garbled response on login: http://pastebin.com/gTKyME2Y <- what logfile is responsible for that? |
| 08:50.16 | milligan | laser, completely off topic .. but are you happy with your 64bit installation? I'm getting a new comp very soon, and it'll have a fat portion of RAM, so I'm wanting to go 64bit.. Does it work neatly or do you have to fight a lot of problems ? |
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| 08:51.21 | laser | milligan: My 64bit installation is fine. I only have issue with google-chrome. However, that's not part of Debian packages, but still. I don't know if that's google-chrome or flashplugin-nonfree. |
| 08:51.24 | frvdamme | no. the problem with 64 bit is old and/or crappy 32 bit programs - in the case of browser plugins you may have trouble linking them to a 64 bit browser |
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| 08:51.50 | frvdamme | for other 32 bitters you have the option to link them to 32 bit libraries |
| 08:51.50 | milligan | cool. Looking forwards to trying it :) |
| 08:52.35 | laser | I think I might go 32bit in the near future. I installed 32bit on my parent's machine (even although their machine are well capable of 64bit). It seems to be more smooth than my 64bit installation. |
| 08:52.37 | lorenzosu | I enabled cgi for lighttp but when I try to access the cgi from the browser I get a 404. Any idea? |
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| 08:56.42 | gnarface | optraz: also you can do that with ffmpeg |
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| 08:57.27 | gnarface | optraz: dunno about the other two but ffmpeg will even allow you capture video of a specific pixel-delineated subregion of your desktop |
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| 09:16.57 | lorenzosu | well it seems that the workaround from 2006 in this bug report is still valid: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=345554#5 |
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| 09:46.50 | sephii | is there a way to figure out why a package would be removed in a d-u? |
| 09:46.54 | marti | /exit |
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| 10:00.58 | pnocti | hello... apt-get install fluxbox - it can't find fluxbox... what do i need to configure to search for other packages instead of the default? |
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| 10:11.39 | Noxville | Anyone who might know of a tool where I could put in a list of certain applications (as well as a base debian install) and it could guestimate the minimum specs for the PC? Trying to assess if 1 gig of RAM is sufficient on an embedded system. |
| 10:12.47 | dr-evil | never heard about it |
| 10:12.54 | petemc | i doubt such a thing exists |
| 10:13.00 | technologov | Noxville, no such thing (AFAIK) -- it depends on apps configuration, usage, etc... |
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| 10:14.01 | pnocti | ah hi guys, apt-get install fluxbox - couldn't find package fluxbox. do i need to edit my sources.list? where do i get the new sources? thanks. |
| 10:14.34 | ksk | pnocti: should be in normal repos |
| 10:14.36 | ksk | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=fluxbox&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all&sourceid=mozilla-search |
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| 10:15.53 | pnocti | ksk: so i don't have to edit my sources? |
| 10:16.25 | ksk | i do not know your sources |
| 10:16.38 | Iridos | judd, versions fluxbox |
| 10:16.39 | judd | Package: fluxbox on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.0+deb1-8; squeeze: 1.1.1+dfsg2-1; sid: 1.3.2-2; wheezy: 1.3.2-2 |
| 10:17.05 | petemc | pnocti: do you have a mirror specified in your sources.list ? |
| 10:17.14 | Iridos | pnocti, it's in main... |
| 10:17.29 | pnocti | petemc: just the normal ones after installing debian. haven't edited it yet. |
| 10:17.43 | Iridos | Noxville, run the stuff on a desktop and look how much it uses? |
| 10:17.55 | petemc | !geo sources.list |
| 10:17.56 | dpkg | To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, you can use a Geo-IP service from cdn.debian.net. An example line for your sources.list is "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main". See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror for more information, or ask me about <sources.list>. Don't use this with Google DNS or similar. |
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| 10:18.44 | pnocti | thanks petemc |
| 10:18.55 | petemc | np |
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| 10:19.21 | petemc | you can append 'contrib non-free' to that line as well |
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| 10:19.40 | pnocti | dpkg sources.list |
| 10:19.41 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
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| 10:25.27 | fi9o | Hello, someone how repo with kernel + grsec? In PLD Linux i have always in repo kernel + grsec |
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| 10:30.22 | jelly | fi9o: I don't know of one. But: the grsecurity patchset has a number of distinctive features that make the kernel act differently whether they're built in or not. So you'd need at least a couple of sligtly different builds. |
| 10:30.46 | jelly | eg. I find RSBAC completely useless for my purposes |
| 10:31.41 | technologov | jelly, I'm not a huge expert on such things, but Debian 7 will have "AppArmor" application-level firewall, which is really good... I used it back in my openSUSE days. |
| 10:32.02 | technologov | it is a "hard disk firewall" |
| 10:32.19 | fi9o | jelly: Hmm |
| 10:32.29 | technologov | ofc, unlike the PAX kernel, it doesn't offer RAM protection |
| 10:32.41 | fi9o | jelly: can i priv? |
| 10:33.20 | Gallomimia | okay so i followed this page on how to get a smb share mounted at boot. it worked the first time but never again. any thoughts? http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/165 |
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| 10:33.42 | Gallomimia | oh.... i bet it's my vpn preventing access to the local network :'( |
| 10:33.45 | jelly | fi9o: please don't, I don't have time to go in detail. |
| 10:34.01 | fi9o | jelly: Ok. ;) |
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| 10:43.35 | rick007 | is /boot necessary ? |
| 10:44.05 | Iridos | marti, $LANG in the environment determines that |
| 10:44.44 | petemc | rick007: yes, its where the kernel is kept |
| 10:45.40 | rick007 | petemc: I actually meant whether it needs to have it's own partition |
| 10:45.44 | rick007 | ? |
| 10:45.47 | petemc | no |
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| 10:46.03 | rick007 | I know people used to give /boot 100 to 500 MB |
| 10:46.12 | Iridos | it can be useful |
| 10:46.19 | arjun_ | rick007, it is not necessary. |
| 10:46.20 | rick007 | it is static bla |
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| 10:46.46 | rick007 | what was the reason of having /boot on its own ? |
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| 10:47.13 | petemc | it was used if the root partition was, for example, on lvm |
| 10:47.15 | Gallomimia | i think if you fill your main partition with say log files or downloads, then try to reboot, it can fail |
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| 10:47.23 | ChrisH | old HW was only able to boot below (IIRC) 1024 cylinder or a special number of blocks |
| 10:47.56 | Gallomimia | yikes. history of computers is scary sometimes |
| 10:48.42 | Iridos | not sure it's totally history |
| 10:48.59 | laser | What's the proper command to find out which command belongs to which packaeg? |
| 10:49.39 | Iridos | laser, dpkg -S or dlocate or apt-file |
| 10:49.41 | ChrisH | Its best pratice to seperate /boot onto a single partion. |
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| 10:50.09 | petemc | ChrisH: not always |
| 10:50.13 | laser | Iridos: Ah. libgtk2.0-bin. Thank you. |
| 10:50.41 | rick007 | ChrisH: what is the reason for it ? |
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| 10:52.29 | Iridos | rick007, try without, if you run into problems booting, making one might help |
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| 10:54.27 | ChrisH | I am from datacenter operation side and there you normally install using LVM, mirrored disks. Then it makes thing easier to have /boot seperate on both disks as you wnat to be able to boot from both mirror parts. |
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| 10:55.31 | arjun_ | rick007, if you have many installations, it will be useful to have /boot in separate partitions (common for all installations). |
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| 10:59.17 | rick007 | thanks a bunch to all - CHrisH, Iridos, arjun_ petemc - > conclusion - if you do mirror for / then you need /boot partition because bios does not read mirror - otherwise not necessary - well when you have different OSes - |
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| 11:03.22 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
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| 11:37.11 | NickBelhomme | Hi, how do i install debian with an inode size of 128? |
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| 11:37.53 | NickBelhomme | Hi, how do i install debian with an inode size of 128 and a bigger Inode count??? |
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| 11:39.02 | petemc | NickBelhomme: create the filesystems yourself outside of the installer |
| 11:39.18 | NickBelhomme | petemc: it is not possible with the installer? |
| 11:39.30 | petemc | ive never tried |
| 11:39.42 | NickBelhomme | so I would have to create a standard install |
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| 11:39.51 | NickBelhomme | and then repartition my /home afterwards? |
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| 11:40.23 | petemc | you can probably switch to a shell from the installer and run mkfs |
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| 11:42.54 | NickBelhomme | petemc: what is the use of the lvm? |
| 11:43.01 | NickBelhomme | Do I pick this during install? |
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| 11:45.41 | ChrisH | NickBelhomme: You can specify the usage of the filesystem and that implies to the inodesize. |
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| 11:46.42 | ChrisH | NickBelhomme: LVM Can be easiest selected via "Manual" instead of any guided ones. But there are also some guided ways with LVM involved. |
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| 11:47.03 | NickBelhomme | ChrisH: what is the use of the LVM? |
| 11:47.46 | ChrisH | Plese check http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ#Q:_How_do_I_install_using_LVM.3F_Is_there_any_more_information_about_using_the_LVM_installer.3F_LVM_installation_doesn.27t_work.21 |
| 11:48.16 | ChrisH | LVM is Logical Volume Manager and offers an abracation layer between disks and Filesystems. |
| 11:49.22 | ChrisH | does never install without LVM |
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| 11:52.28 | NickBelhomme | ChrisH: so it seems LVM is a very flexible way for repartitioning. But it has nothing to do with Inode settings. so I would not be needing LVM... |
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| 11:54.04 | dFence | old! anymore familiar with pcscd? I'm wondering if there's an ARM-port of the SCLgeneric driver-bundle |
| 11:54.35 | NickBelhomme | ChrisH: petemc : to recap, I take normal guided install with separate /home. After install I do a mkfile on /home to change the inode? |
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| 11:55.49 | ChrisH | NickBelhomme: Filesystems need parttions like /dev/sda4 or logival volumes (LVM) like /dev/vg00/lvRoot |
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| 11:56.21 | NickBelhomme | so I DO need LVM? |
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| 11:56.55 | ChrisH | ... I would say, you will like having it later :) |
| 11:57.26 | ChrisH | If diskspace is out, just add another disk to the Volume Group and add space to your Filesystem |
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| 11:58.00 | NickBelhomme | ChrisH: i am installing a virtualbox, so adding extra space will not be an option |
| 11:58.33 | ChrisH | NickBelhomme: I added a second disk to some ot my Virtualbox instances. |
| 11:58.36 | technologov | nope |
| 11:58.45 | NickBelhomme | i have an existing box, but I ran out of Inodes, so now I want it rebuild with a higher count |
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| 11:59.30 | technologov | vbox uses dynamically growing disks -- just set up a BIG one - 256 GB or more |
| 11:59.35 | technologov | and problem solved |
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| 12:00.19 | NickBelhomme | technologov: diskspace is not a problem, I only use a percentage of space, it are the Inodes that have ran out |
| 12:00.56 | ChrisH | NickBelhomme: My approach would be: Add another disk in Virtualbox Manager to the VM and create a Filesystem inside the VM with corrected Number of Inodes. Move the Data using rsync and mount the new disk as the old Filesystem. No need to reinstall the whole box. |
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| 12:02.51 | NickBelhomme | ChrisH: Ok will try that approach |
| 12:03.01 | NickBelhomme | So I add a disk and mkfile to it |
| 12:03.23 | ChrisH | NickBelhomme: You need to stop the VM to add the Disk... |
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| 12:04.37 | ChrisH | NickBelhomme: add disk, mkfs/newfs not mkfile |
| 12:05.00 | ChrisH | NickBelhomme: add disk, mkfs.X not mkfile (newfs is Solaris, sorry) |
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| 12:06.19 | Grav | Hi. Is there an easy way to change monitor rientation (rotation) ? |
| 12:06.40 | OsteHovel^PDA | Physicaly just turn it |
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| 12:07.31 | Grav | Well yeah, but its on side then.no driver settings for it ? |
| 12:07.38 | ChrisH | try grandr |
| 12:08.09 | OsteHovel^PDA | Grav: xrandr |
| 12:08.30 | Grav | Im downloading grand now |
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| 12:09.31 | Grav | It seems all rotation options are disabled |
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| 12:14.54 | NimeshNeema | Can someone please suggest a GUI text editor for web dev (will be mostly editing hand-written .js .css and .html) with code folding and bracket matching for ubuntu 11.10 |
| 12:15.34 | OsteHovel^PDA | Nano (its a joke), im not 100% sure but maybe checkout kate? |
| 12:15.47 | loop | i would say eclipse but they axed the jvm lol |
| 12:16.08 | cthuluh | geany |
| 12:16.37 | ChrisH | vim |
| 12:17.05 | colo-work | vim |
| 12:17.40 | loop | is xrandr the best way to configure dual monitors on a laptop |
| 12:17.43 | debian_noob | bluefish |
| 12:17.55 | OsteHovel^PDA | Loop: i guess in the xorg config file is a better place |
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| 12:19.13 | loop | can i force there? |
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| 12:24.52 | CcSsNET | i highly suggest this order: geany, scite, tea, kate |
| 12:25.19 | CcSsNET | NimeshNeema: this was for you ^ |
| 12:26.23 | CcSsNET | otherwise check out: bluefish, amaya which are specific for web devs |
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| 12:29.10 | ohih0wru | hello. i have a question where do I download sid? is it a separate download or i could download available stable release and just change the set of repositories to unstable? on site i cannot find downloads other than squeeze, anyone? |
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| 12:29.58 | nkuttler | !tell ohih0wru about install sid |
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| 12:31.13 | technologov | tried geany and refused... |
| 12:31.18 | technologov | 1. too gnome for me |
| 12:31.30 | technologov | 2. lacks ability to manually sort files |
| 12:31.41 | technologov | (kate solves both) |
| 12:31.43 | themill | takes away technologov's enter key |
| 12:32.01 | themill | ohih0wru: if you have to ask these questions, you might want to reconsider whether you know enough about debian to solve the problems you will encounter when running sid. |
| 12:32.05 | OsteHovel^PDA | Hehe |
| 12:32.41 | OsteHovel^PDA | Sid is testing right? not unstable. |
| 12:32.47 | themill | no |
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| 12:33.01 | debian_noob | shudders at the thought of using sid |
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| 12:33.05 | OsteHovel^PDA | (Ye i am on a pda so irc is easier than webbrowsing for once, else i normaly check myself) |
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| 12:33.10 | debian_noob | its unstable all right |
| 12:33.14 | OsteHovel^PDA | Ok |
| 12:33.24 | OsteHovel^PDA | Then its even "worse" |
| 12:33.26 | raven^ | Wich FTP daemon should I choose for debian? |
| 12:33.45 | OsteHovel^PDA | I use proftpd but i guess there exist many more |
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| 12:34.22 | technologov | tried tea... it fails too |
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| 12:34.31 | technologov | 1. no standard file open dialog |
| 12:34.36 | technologov | 2. cannot open multiple files |
| 12:34.49 | debian_noob | technologov, what files do you want to edit? |
| 12:34.52 | technologov | those were quick runs... |
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| 12:35.00 | CcSsNET | destroys technologov enter pad copper contacts |
| 12:35.07 | technologov | I want to edit python, C++ and plain text |
| 12:35.24 | laser | technologov: /nick ktechnologov :P |
| 12:35.31 | themill | technologov: please stop giving us a review of every editor in debian. |
| 12:35.47 | technologov | for now KDE kate seems to do the job, but I'm can consider something new ^^ |
| 12:35.57 | debian_noob | technologov, try nano or vim |
| 12:36.24 | technologov | well.. ccsnet recommended them |
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| 12:36.41 | technologov | I never heard about those 2 editors until today |
| 12:36.48 | CcSsNET | i didnt recommend nano or vim... |
| 12:36.53 | debian_noob | theyre cli editors |
| 12:36.58 | CcSsNET | although i do use nano myself |
| 12:37.05 | themill | Can we move on from supporting the ubuntu user who also asked in #ubuntu at the same time? |
| 12:37.07 | debian_noob | CcSsNET, same |
| 12:37.21 | technologov | ccs recommened "geany" and "tea" |
| 12:37.27 | ohih0wru | themill: i have been using debian-based linux for several years now, though usually i use ubuntu (at least i used before it became overly bloated).. yesterday i tried mint with gnome 3 and i refuse it. i want to use pure debian with newer software, because sometimes usual things take uneasy actions, for example to install latest sun java etc. |
| 12:37.29 | CcSsNET | nano hotkeys are sexy :) |
| 12:37.57 | themill | ohih0wru: no-one is able to give you the latest sun java, so that's not really a useful comparison |
| 12:38.04 | raven^ | OsteHovel^PCB: I get "ProFTPd warning: cannot start neither in standalone nor in inetd/xinetd mode. Check your configuration.", you know what can cause that? |
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| 12:38.24 | ohih0wru | themill: well, i know. there were other issues, i agree java isn't the best example |
| 12:38.32 | debian_noob | CcSsNET, vim commands arent at all :) |
| 12:38.34 | CcSsNET | ohih0wru: sadly, what your asking is more of a learning experience: distrowatch.org find the perfect distro :) |
| 12:39.06 | ohih0wru | CcSsNET: like i said, i find debian a perfect distro personally for me. i like it the most |
| 12:39.10 | NimeshNeema | CcSsNET: thanks !!! Waz away... |
| 12:39.18 | CcSsNET | np |
| 12:39.18 | ohih0wru | clean, not bloated and fast |
| 12:39.31 | debian_noob | ohih0wru, use GNOME? |
| 12:39.42 | ohih0wru | yes |
| 12:39.50 | CcSsNET | NimeshNeema: and if u start coding c, check out code:blocks, and qtcreator for gui/rad systems |
| 12:40.02 | debian_noob | if you call that fast, try lxde |
| 12:40.12 | debian_noob | but its all a matter of personal choice |
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| 12:40.16 | ohih0wru | gnome 2. i don't like gnome 3 simply because it's just too fresh and not complete, and i don't like kde because of it's fanciness |
| 12:40.35 | NickBelhomme | ChrisH: Still doing it, I will update you as soon as I have more news |
| 12:40.38 | laser | debian_noob: Are you running LXDE? |
| 12:40.42 | debian_noob | laser, ye |
| 12:40.44 | debian_noob | *yes |
| 12:41.02 | CcSsNET | i cant stand gnome 1/2/3, kde 1/2/3/4, or some others. i use fluxbox. simpilist menu system ever... |
| 12:41.05 | NimeshNeema | CcSsNET: currently i am on Web Dev and iOS. For iOS Xcode is really good. Web-Dev goes on concurrently on my Linux Box |
| 12:41.16 | laser | debian_noob: Icic. What does it use for file manager? |
| 12:41.17 | CcSsNET | ah cool |
| 12:41.25 | debian_noob | laser, pcmanfm |
| 12:41.46 | CcSsNET | pcmanfm is a buggy fork of thunar |
| 12:41.49 | CcSsNET | very buggy |
| 12:41.51 | CcSsNET | cough |
| 12:41.57 | ChrisH | NickBelhomme: OK |
| 12:42.06 | debian_noob | CcSsNET, strange, havent found any yet |
| 12:42.16 | CcSsNET | thats because debian patched it ;) |
| 12:42.23 | debian_noob | :D |
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| 12:42.31 | debian_noob | its very minimal |
| 12:42.39 | CcSsNET | yes i like it too |
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| 12:43.12 | Macer | hello. i was wondering if anybody here was running hurd... and how well it seemed to work vs the linux kernel based debian? |
| 12:43.19 | debian_noob | Gnome on the other hand is quite heavy |
| 12:43.31 | NickBelhomme | ChrisH: I am tryuing to fnd out why the box keeps telling me /dev/sdb doesn't contain a valid partition table after I did an mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb -I 128 |
| 12:43.42 | CcSsNET | macer, u might want to ask in #hurd and in #gnu also |
| 12:43.53 | endomafrendo | hi there! Is there any way to explore a network share on an apple machine from debian? It is AFP and not SAMBA. |
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| 12:43.57 | themill | NickBelhomme: you wiped out the partition table with that command |
| 12:44.03 | Macer | CcSsNET: ah. ok. but their opinion may be skewed ;) |
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| 12:44.10 | CcSsNET | true |
| 12:44.17 | laser | debian_noob: Installing lxde right now for my sake of lulz and giggles |
| 12:44.18 | Macer | i figured since debian makes both tyes this would be the best place to ask |
| 12:44.20 | ChrisH | NickBelhomme: You should fdisk /dev/sdb and create one primary partition... mkfs /dev/sdb1 |
| 12:44.23 | CcSsNET | personally i havent used it yet |
| 12:44.43 | Macer | ah ok. i was more so worried about hardware suport on the hurd kernel |
| 12:44.44 | CcSsNET | it clearly will have far less drivers |
| 12:44.50 | Macer | even tho it has been like... 30 years in the making lol |
| 12:45.07 | Macer | CcSsNET: yeah. i that was what i was wondering |
| 12:45.11 | debian_noob | laser, how big is the doanload? |
| 12:45.14 | debian_noob | *download |
| 12:45.20 | Macer | are they unable to use the linux src for drivers? |
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| 12:45.25 | CcSsNET | unless of course, linux drivers work with it? not sure myself |
| 12:45.28 | Macer | since linux has already made a ton of open drivers |
| 12:45.34 | laser | debian_noob: Using existing Gnome2, only 13MB. |
| 12:45.45 | debian_noob | that less? |
| 12:45.49 | Macer | CcSsNET: ah ok. well... fair enough. :) |
| 12:45.52 | debian_noob | apt-get install lxde ? |
| 12:46.05 | Macer | i will try it out and if it doesn't work i will just install linux on it |
| 12:46.16 | CcSsNET | i wish people would stop suggesting apt-get in debian |
| 12:46.18 | Macer | but i did want to try hurd out |
| 12:46.27 | CcSsNET | use aptitude. its newer and exists for a reason |
| 12:46.37 | CcSsNET | all commands move over to aptitude the same |
| 12:46.41 | laser | debian_noob: Yes. Also, on top of Gnome2, like a cherry. |
| 12:46.45 | technologov | ccs: apt-get is the engine. |
| 12:46.50 | themill | CcSsNET: if you're installing packages in stable and don't have a broken apt setup, it doesn't make any difference. |
| 12:46.55 | themill | technologov: wtf does that mean? |
| 12:46.57 | CcSsNET | yes and aptitude has error corrections |
| 12:47.05 | technologov | cc |
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| 12:47.22 | CcSsNET | or error handeling i mean |
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| 12:47.25 | technologov | it mean that all other apps (aptitude, synaptic) are based on apt-get |
| 12:47.34 | technologov | apt-get does all the logic |
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| 12:47.35 | themill | technologov: not true |
| 12:47.41 | laser | You mean dpkg? |
| 12:47.47 | CcSsNET | hehe ^ |
| 12:47.53 | technologov | dpkg doesn't do dependency resolving |
| 12:47.53 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, technologov |
| 12:47.59 | technologov | so it is 1st level logic |
| 12:48.03 | fredddd | I am echoing content from a web document to a file, how can I split it up on multiple lines within BASH? Right now it is a single echo "content" > file, but it is hard to modify. |
| 12:48.04 | technologov | apt-get is 2nd level logic |
| 12:48.15 | technologov | everything on top is not logic -- just GUI |
| 12:48.22 | CcSsNET | anyway. aptitude handles things difrently and brakes far less then using apt-get by itself |
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| 12:48.31 | technologov | synaptic doesn't add any new logic. |
| 12:48.39 | themill | technologov: not true. Perhaps you'd like to strace aptitude and discover that it does not call apt-get at all and that it has its own dependency resolver. |
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| 12:49.11 | Macer | themill: does it use python? |
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| 12:49.20 | themill | eh? |
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| 12:49.25 | Macer | aptitude |
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| 12:49.31 | laser | debian_noob: BRB. Going on lxde now |
| 12:49.33 | themill | no... why would it? |
| 12:49.44 | Macer | i am just asking... because if it did it is fail |
| 12:49.49 | debian_noob | themill, man page of apt says aptitude is a frontend to apt-get |
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| 12:49.50 | Macer | ;) |
| 12:50.02 | CcSsNET | sigh |
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| 12:50.09 | CcSsNET | ok im off for the day good luck all |
| 12:50.11 | themill | debian_noob: precisely which man page is that? |
| 12:50.13 | debian_noob | is confused |
| 12:50.19 | debian_noob | man apt-get |
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| 12:50.36 | debian_noob | Several "front-end" interfaces exist, such as dselect(1), aptitude(8) |
| 12:50.53 | themill | debian_noob: If you read carefully, it says frontend to the APT library |
| 12:51.02 | debian_noob | yes just saw |
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| 12:51.08 | debian_noob | sorry for the confusion |
| 12:51.31 | debian_noob | themill, but this? : may be |
| 12:51.31 | debian_noob | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:51.50 | themill | debian_noob: apt-get is one interface to libapt. aptitude is another. |
| 12:51.51 | Macer | themill: i suppose it is comfort.. most people used apt-get to begin with and weaning people off what simply works is difficult |
| 12:52.02 | Macer | maybe it is muscle memory in the commands we type :) |
| 12:52.16 | themill | Macer: aptitude isn't any better than apt-get for a lot of things and it is worse for some things. |
| 12:52.29 | debian_noob | themill, much clearer |
| 12:53.00 | Macer | themill: well.. i usually use apt-get simply because it is what i am used to |
| 12:53.01 | debian_noob | Macer, muscle memory haha |
| 12:53.17 | debian_noob | Macer, aptitude is better for sid |
| 12:53.17 | Macer | i have a friend that keeps trying to get me to move to zsh |
| 12:53.30 | Macer | and i have never been able to come off bash ;) |
| 12:53.35 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 12:53.43 | debian_noob | but for stable, apt-get is good i think |
| 12:53.47 | Macer | because i just don't see a purpose |
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| 12:54.00 | Macer | themill: discussing apt is not off topic... it is a debian based tool |
| 12:54.01 | endomafrendo | anyone on my question? Can I access an AFP share from Debian? |
| 12:54.23 | Macer | it would be like saying rpm is off topic in #redhat |
| 12:54.23 | themill | Macer: this channel is for user support not long discussions about the history of package management in debian. |
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| 12:54.37 | debian_noob | themill, point taken |
| 12:54.44 | debian_noob | shuts up |
| 12:55.03 | Macer | might want to put that in the topic |
| 12:55.11 | OsteHovel | Lets continiue this discussion in #debian-offtopic |
| 12:56.03 | debian_noob | enters #debian-offtopic |
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| 12:56.28 | Macer | anyways. i need to download debian hurd and see how wwell it works on an artigo a1000 |
| 12:56.39 | Macer | hope it has the oddball via drivers |
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| 12:57.42 | debian_noob | doesnt understand how so many drivers fit into such a small size |
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| 13:00.24 | laser | debian_noob: I'm feeling some hatred for lxde. :| |
| 13:00.33 | debian_noob | laser, why? |
| 13:00.39 | debian_noob | too fast? ;) |
| 13:01.47 | laser | debian_noob: I like gedit. Leafpad (GTK+ simple text editor) is simple. :P |
| 13:02.21 | debian_noob | laser, since you have gnome installed, you can use the gnome tools :) |
| 13:02.22 | laser | debian_noob: How do I trigger application menu? |
| 13:02.37 | debian_noob | the one at the bottom left? |
| 13:02.41 | laser | Yes. |
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| 13:03.09 | laser | For Gnome, ALT+F1 usually work. |
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| 13:03.38 | debian_noob | laser, shortcut keys are different |
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| 13:05.10 | daMull | Hey folks, i't trying to use pbuild to backport a package from unstable to stable. It basically works, but if I change the version number of the package (appending ~something60-1 like the official backports) in the dsc, I just get "dpkg-source: error: unrecognized file for a v2.0 source package". What am I doing wrong here? |
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| 13:06.00 | themill | daMull: you need to change it in the changelog not the dsc. The dsc version number is the version of the source package files, not the version of the package. |
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| 13:06.31 | daMull | themill: thanks for that hint |
| 13:06.57 | themill | daMull: you can use "dch" to edit thee changelog; "dch --bpo" might be of interest |
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| 13:12.54 | chenbing` | hi, how to run a swf file in debian terminal? |
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| 13:13.11 | chenbing` | I mean with no html wrapper? |
| 13:13.18 | lapsusbrutus | how secure would shred -n1 /dev/sd? be? enough? n7 takes a looong time.. |
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| 13:18.00 | NickBelhomme | ChrisH: first fdisking it and then mkfs worked. I remounted with fstab. Now I am testing it |
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| 13:20.25 | abrotman | lapsusbrutus: what are you really trying to do ? |
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| 13:21.26 | moes | Downloaded Debian-live-6.0.3-i386-standard.iso..checked md5sum OK..burned with k3d to cd-r at 4x...when booting at loading files I get error "buffer I/O error on device sr/o..it continues to prompt..user@debian:~s...root returns command not found..Whats wrong?? |
| 13:21.50 | abrotman | moes: sounds like your CD drive is questionable |
| 13:23.27 | moes | Possible but burn't another distro yesterday no problem will try another |
| 13:23.36 | themill | !check cd image |
| 13:23.36 | dpkg | To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD/DVD image, see http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum You should compare this md5sum to the checksum for the ISO image on the mirror. See also <check iso signature>. |
| 13:24.00 | themill | moes: ^^ you could check that the cd was burned correctly too |
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| 13:28.37 | dvs | !nodm |
| 13:28.37 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
| 13:28.40 | abrotman | !tell lapsusbrutus about dban |
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| 13:33.47 | ratatata | nu |
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| 13:38.57 | gnarface | "[ac3 @ 0x1b1b440] frame CRC mismatch" |
| 13:39.04 | gnarface | "[ac3 @ 0x1b1b440] frame sync error" |
| 13:39.12 | gnarface | could those errors be caused by a corrupted file? |
| 13:39.19 | gnarface | could said corrupted file be caused by a bad dvd drive? |
| 13:39.53 | gnarface | only weird thing is it happens every time on the same spot (just the first minute or two of the movie) so i'm almost wondering if its a bug in libdvdcss or something... |
| 13:40.04 | gnarface | but the drive has been behaving weird |
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| 13:41.48 | laser | !pure gnome |
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| 13:42.09 | zlude | Please! how can i do for the user postgres use sudo apt-get without password for install anything. any ideas? |
| 13:44.09 | themill | gnarface: scratch on the dvd? Have you tried cleaning it? |
| 13:44.34 | zlude | any ideas? please |
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| 13:46.56 | gnarface | themill: only one problem with the "scratch on the dvd theory" is when playing directly from the same disk... its fine |
| 13:47.34 | gnarface | themill: also, the visible skipping in the video stream of the ripped copy is the same chunk of time (the beginning couple minutes of the movie) every time |
| 13:47.40 | themill | gnarface: I don't understand what your two different playing scenarios are |
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| 13:49.16 | gnarface | themill: commercial dvd plays fine, copies fine. when playing the *copy* however (saved to harddrive) first 2 minutes or so of the copy seem to stutter in a way that causes it to jump back and forth between the english and japanese camera angles of the tracks. |
| 13:49.44 | themill | ahh... sounds like something got confused in the copying then, yes. |
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| 13:50.46 | gnarface | themill: i can tell because as that is still the credits, i see them flicker back and forth between english and japanese. i can't tell if the audible hitch is it switching audio tracks too or not - it clears up before there is any dialogue |
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| 13:51.26 | gnarface | themill: think a drive going bad could even possibly make a copy incorrectly in such a way, and reliably so its the same way every time? |
| 13:51.42 | gnarface | themill: i'm suspecting ... cdrom drivers misbehaving even |
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| 14:09.33 | Macer | well.. let me start download the hurd debian cd |
| 14:09.46 | Macer | better get linux debian too just in case :) |
| 14:09.58 | dvs | ? |
| 14:10.10 | Macer | dvs: i'm going to try out the debian based on hurd |
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| 14:10.34 | Macer | well... i guess mach? don't know how you would address it |
| 14:10.47 | Macer | mach hurd debian? heh |
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| 14:23.37 | Macer | is there an easy way to copy an iso to a thumb drive and have it boot? |
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| 14:24.35 | gnarface | Macer: if you mean the debian isos, yes, just: cp [iso file] /dev/[thumb drive] |
| 14:24.49 | nameless` | hi there |
| 14:24.50 | Macer | i only have a windows box to work with now |
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| 14:25.12 | nameless` | is there any way i can get the time since an interface is up ? |
| 14:25.17 | gnarface | Macer: i dunno. last time i had to do that on a windows box we were using floppies so i used rawwrite |
| 14:25.24 | Macer | hahaha |
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| 14:25.32 | Macer | wow.... 1990s slackware flashback ;) |
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| 14:25.47 | gnarface | nameless`: its somewhere in netstat i think |
| 14:26.30 | nameless` | gnarface: i've got multiple statistics but no uptime |
| 14:26.58 | Macer | i wonder if i can just use w32 image writer |
| 14:27.06 | Macer | and use the .iso instead of a .img |
| 14:27.11 | Macer | it is just raw writing isn't it? |
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| 14:28.03 | preds | anybody tried wheezy on a rackspace vps? |
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| 14:29.29 | Macer | blah |
| 14:29.36 | Macer | maybe i can do this on the synology box |
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| 14:30.30 | DragonSlay | how to install new fonts in debian squeeze |
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| 14:30.45 | expertmac2 | et |
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| 14:31.40 | Macer | of course not |
| 14:31.41 | Macer | ugh |
| 14:31.57 | Macer | blah.. let me just go out and get a damn external optical drive |
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| 14:32.34 | Macer | what a pain ... wish this artigo had a small slot for one but then i guess it would't be as small |
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| 14:33.30 | laser | Question: How can I remove a package without removing gnome-core? How about removing that package away from gnome-core's metapackage list? |
| 14:33.58 | dvs | laser: you have to remove gnome-core |
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| 14:34.33 | laser | dvs: Does that mean I'll have to remove bunch of packages then reinstall bunch of packages (without using gnome-core this time)? |
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| 14:35.07 | dvs | laser: No, it should remove gnome-core without removing all it's dependencies |
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| 14:35.43 | dvs | laser: if it tries to remove the dependencies, turn off the auto-install flag |
| 14:35.56 | laser | dvs: How do I do that? |
| 14:36.15 | ChrisH | Macer: boot and install from network using PXE boot? |
| 14:36.41 | dvs | laser: aptitude unmarkauto gnome-core |
| 14:36.48 | laser | dvs: Dependencies kept showing up. gedit, evolution, gnome, etc. |
| 14:36.48 | zykotick9 | laser: you might be interested in http://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article8/uninstall-meta-package |
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| 14:38.22 | laser | zykotick9: Thank you for that useful link. :) |
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| 14:39.40 | zykotick9 | laser: it basically just expands on what dvs was telling you |
| 14:39.47 | Macer | ChrisH: awesome... wow.. i totally forgot about pxe! |
| 14:39.49 | Macer | lol |
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| 14:40.03 | Macer | i honestly never even tried it before tbh |
| 14:40.17 | Macer | can't be that hard tho |
| 14:40.25 | Macer | i will try that in a few minutes .. thanks |
| 14:41.00 | laser | zykotick9: Yes. I'm free from evolution and totem... So far! :) |
| 14:41.06 | laser | freed. |
| 14:44.53 | laser | dvs: Cheers. |
| 14:45.07 | dvs | !beer me |
| 14:45.07 | dpkg | pours a litre of Black Tuesday for dvs |
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| 14:48.26 | et | expertmac2 |
| 14:48.40 | ChrisH | Macer: depending on the NIC you will need to pimp the initrd. I put all firmware in mine and doubled size :) |
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| 14:49.07 | Macer | heh.. i will figure it out... can't be too hard to boot debian via pxe |
| 14:49.21 | Macer | but knowing the fact that it is a hurd debian.. it will probably start on fire haha |
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| 14:50.13 | ChrisH | no. follow the Readme on debian. You need tftp/dhcp and the netboot bundle to be untared. |
| 14:50.48 | ChrisH | Macer: The no was on "can't be too hard " But there is a second NO on the hurd stuff |
| 14:51.37 | Macer | a second NO ? |
| 14:51.58 | ChrisH | I did not know its about Hurd :) |
| 14:52.09 | Macer | oh. yeah. i am trying the hurd debian |
| 14:52.16 | sephii | is there a way to figure out why a package would be removed in a d-u? |
| 14:52.20 | Macer | sick of linux ;) |
| 14:52.23 | ChrisH | on real HW or a VM? |
| 14:52.27 | Macer | real hw |
| 14:52.31 | Macer | an artigo a1000 |
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| 14:52.42 | Macer | via based x86 embedded stuff |
| 14:53.02 | Macer | linux runs on it just great.. but not sure about hurd |
| 14:53.20 | ChrisH | Answered my next Q... On which HW does Hurd run? |
| 14:53.21 | Macer | so i am sure my hurd experience will be very short lived.. but it is just meant to be a basic shell box |
| 14:53.58 | Macer | it may run on other things but i am not sure.. it has taken them like 20 years just to get something that runs on x86 so that is probably all that will work |
| 14:54.16 | ChrisH | Macer: If you are interested in different views to learn, Have a ride on OpenIndiana :) |
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| 14:54.18 | Macer | but i was still happy to see there was a debian based on it |
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| 14:54.27 | Macer | ChrisH: i did |
| 14:54.34 | Macer | ran opensolaris for years |
| 14:54.40 | Macer | stopped using it post oracle |
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| 14:55.17 | ChrisH | I use Solaris on our customers boxes mainly. |
| 14:55.27 | Macer | zfs was great when they would add the stuff to osol... but then oracle closed it all up and now you see solaris @ 1000 per socket per year with zfs level encryption |
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| 14:55.32 | Macer | and the open zfs stunted |
| 14:55.36 | colo-work | I use Solaris as something I run away from :) |
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| 14:56.09 | Macer | not to mention sun was working on btrfs.. so i am sure that has probably stunted as well |
| 14:56.38 | Macer | i call it the oracle effect.. i am praying for the day they go bankrupt |
| 14:56.55 | Macer | i loved sun... HATE oracle |
| 14:57.31 | dvs | punches Larry in the nose |
| 14:57.35 | Macer | but yeah. oi was pretty good.. but when you look at it earnestly.. it is just the last release of osol with a few improvements |
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| 14:57.44 | rootkit | hey guys |
| 14:57.54 | Macer | and plus i was always waiting for a good hurd distro to use .. .if hurd even works |
| 14:58.10 | rootkit | is there a good debian beginner guide? |
| 14:58.28 | Macer | and what's better than debian? ;) |
| 14:58.37 | rootkit | im kinda addicated to debian.. |
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| 14:59.31 | OsteHovel^PC | Omg, i found out debian tricks me it dosent use NFSv4 when you boot via NFS |
| 14:59.32 | OsteHovel^PC | bastard |
| 15:00.29 | babilen | !tell rootkit -about introduction |
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| 15:01.04 | dvs | rootkit: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ |
| 15:01.16 | rootkit | thanks guys |
| 15:01.38 | dvs | scans rootkit |
| 15:01.40 | babilen | rootkit: You can ask our bot (dpkg) about all the factoids in <...> -- I would suggest to read the Debian reference as it will, most likely cover a significant number of questions you might have. (/msg dpkg reference) |
| 15:01.54 | dvs | ... |
| 15:01.55 | ChrisH | Macer: ZFS is a real cool Filesystem/Volumemanager? |
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| 15:02.15 | rootkit | dvs LOL |
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| 15:02.56 | automagic | Hi |
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| 15:03.24 | rootkit | dvs im a goodkit! |
| 15:03.28 | automagic | How to find out which files belong to a package in aptitude/apt-get ? |
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| 15:04.31 | zykotick9 | automagic: "dpkg -S /path/to/file" might work |
| 15:04.51 | babilen | rootkit: You might also like http://debian-handbook.info/files/2011/11/chapter-apt.pdf (example chapter from http://www.ulule.com/debian-handbook/) or http://debiansystem.info/books |
| 15:05.27 | zykotick9 | babilen: that free chapter is amazing, looking forward to the completed translation. |
| 15:05.46 | rootkit | thats nice |
| 15:06.24 | ChrisH | automagic: apt-file search might help, too. |
| 15:06.45 | rootkit | how many discs are there for a debian installation? |
| 15:07.00 | babilen | zykotick9: I do too! And I also hope that enough people contribute to its liberation so we have yet another great readily available resource about Debian. |
| 15:07.04 | dvs | rootkit: 1 |
| 15:07.04 | bolt | how can I get the PID of the x server making a given display, say ":0.0" or ":100.0"? |
| 15:07.05 | zykotick9 | rootkit: use netinstall, then it's just one |
| 15:07.16 | rootkit | ok |
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| 15:07.34 | rootkit | awesome:) |
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| 15:07.43 | DelTree | hi... |
| 15:07.47 | ChrisH | bolt: ps -ef | grep X |
| 15:07.56 | babilen | rootkit: That, however, assumes that you have a working network connection during the installation. On which hardware are you installing and how do you connect to the internet? |
| 15:08.04 | DelTree | why does dpkg -l foo* list packages that I can't install ? |
| 15:08.21 | rootkit | at this stage i am only gathering info about the sys specs and how to install it and run it |
| 15:08.26 | DelTree | like dpkg -l exim4* lists exim4-daemon-custom |
| 15:08.41 | mutante | DelTree: it should list packages you have installed already??! |
| 15:08.56 | DelTree | mutante: not with * ;) |
| 15:09.01 | zykotick9 | DelTree: dpkg -l is listing what is installed(removed) from your system, not the database of packages |
| 15:09.02 | rootkit | i got 3gb ram and 2.13ghz, intel celeron processor 560 |
| 15:09.06 | babilen | DelTree: Because it lists all packages that match your query -- What are you really trying to do? Are you, mayhaps, looking for something like "dpkg -l|grep foo" or (better IMHO) "aptitude search ~i~n^foo" ? |
| 15:09.36 | DelTree | no no no... dpkg -l | grep foo is something else... |
| 15:09.53 | mutante | DelTree: apt-cache search <package> ? |
| 15:09.59 | bolt | ChrisH: and then I grep for the display? no prettier way of doing it? there are several X servers running... |
| 15:10.22 | rootkit | babilen , i got 3gb ram, and 2.13ghz with intel celeron processor 560 |
| 15:10.27 | DelTree | more like aptitude search foo, yes... |
| 15:10.39 | rootkit | and 80gb hdd, but i will dual boot it with linux mint |
| 15:10.39 | ChrisH | bolt: there is a pgrep out |
| 15:10.40 | DelTree | but still I'd like to understant dpkg -l foo* |
| 15:10.41 | babilen | rootkit: Ok, thats fine -- How do you connect to the internet? |
| 15:10.47 | DelTree | -t+d |
| 15:10.53 | rootkit | babilen, wireless |
| 15:11.00 | dvs | uh oh |
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| 15:11.02 | DelTree | un exim4-daemon-custom <néant> (aucune description n'est disponible) |
| 15:11.35 | rootkit | which of the following should i download ?http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 15:11.37 | zykotick9 | rootkit: FYI wireless during install can be a big pain. the installer only supports WEP/open and firmware may be an issue. Use a cable if available is my point. |
| 15:11.49 | rootkit | mm |
| 15:11.59 | rootkit | the wireless that i got doesnt have any encryption.. |
| 15:12.00 | babilen | rootkit: Ok -- That will probably not work out of the box with the stable installer due to two reasons: 1. The installer does *not* support WPA* encrypted wireless networks 2. Most wireless cards require firmware that you don't find on standard netinstall ISO. |
| 15:12.16 | rootkit | mm |
| 15:12.29 | rootkit | maybe i should use it in vmware? |
| 15:12.45 | zykotick9 | babilen: "great minds... and fools seldom differ" ;) |
| 15:13.48 | babilen | rootkit: Both problems can be solved and I will elaborate if it turns out that you have do pursue this root, but I would like to clarify a few other things first: 1. Can you connect via ethernet? 2. Would it be problematic to download a DVD image? 3. How comfortable do you feel on the command line? |
| 15:14.10 | babilen | zykotick9: Yeah, well .. haha :) |
| 15:14.27 | babilen | s/root/route *sigh* |
| 15:14.28 | ChrisH | rootkit: Does your system support boot via lan? |
| 15:14.40 | rootkit | i cannot connect via ethernet, i can download dvd image and on the command line i am a newb.. |
| 15:14.57 | rootkit | no idea |
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| 15:15.15 | rootkit | i got wireless thats all, i stopped my internet a few days ago |
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| 15:15.53 | ChrisH | rootkit: Then I suggest downloading a DVD. Stable or whatever you want/need for your HW. |
| 15:16.00 | rootkit | i see |
| 15:16.18 | rootkit | the i386 right? |
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| 15:16.55 | ChrisH | rootkit: depending on your HW. I dunno |
| 15:17.17 | rootkit | i got intel celeron 560 processor, 3gb ram and 2.13 ghz |
| 15:17.41 | babilen | rootkit: Ok -- In that case I would recommend one of the following: 1. Download DVD1 and use it for the installation -- You *have* to configure your online repositories after the initial installation (/msg dpkg make squeeze sources.list) 2. Disable WPA encryption on your wireless (either use WEP or no encryption at all). You probably have to use an installer image that comes with firmware in that case (/msg dpkg firmware image), but that depends ... |
| 15:17.47 | babilen | ... on your wireless adaptor -- Are you running Linux right now? Do you know which wireless adaptor (chipset) do you have? |
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| 15:18.21 | rootkit | i am using wireless atm on linux mint |
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| 15:19.11 | rootkit | it is atheros |
| 15:19.19 | babilen | rootkit: My recommendation would be to use DVD1 for the installation and come back to sort out the configuration of your online repositories -- DVD1 contains almost everything you need to get your wireless working, unless it requires some specific firmware. As the second option above this boils down to: What is your wireless adaptor? |
| 15:19.27 | dvs | no firmware! |
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| 15:19.40 | babilen | rootkit: Ok, could you run "lspci -nn|grep -i network" and paste the result for your wireless? |
| 15:19.49 | babilen | But atheros sounds good :) |
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| 15:19.57 | rootkit | thanks:) ok |
| 15:20.13 | rootkit | 04:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x / AR542x Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) [168c:001c] (rev 01) |
| 15:20.27 | Macer | ChrisH: zfs is absolutely awesome ;) |
| 15:20.49 | rootkit | babilen, but which package should i download? there are a few to choose from? |
| 15:20.53 | ghutzriop | Hi, I just installed wheezy and there is no graphics driver listed in the system information. I have a radeon hd 5650m. |
| 15:21.14 | Macer | it honestly does beat anything else out there hands down |
| 15:21.28 | rootkit | debian-6.0.3-kfreebsd-i386-DVD-1.iso.torrent , this one? i will try using torrent as the download speeds are faster |
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| 15:21.49 | Macer | i heard rumors that MS was going to develop something that clones it |
| 15:21.57 | zykotick9 | Macer: too bad it's not something that will be included in Linux kernel :( |
| 15:22.13 | Macer | zykotick9: yeah. cddl and gpl are incompatible |
| 15:22.16 | babilen | rootkit: That adaptor is well supported and does not require firmware. yay! -- So, download DVD1 and have fun! |
| 15:22.20 | Macer | and oracle bought it and sure wasn'g going to give it up |
| 15:22.25 | Macer | wasn't |
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| 15:22.49 | Macer | there were talks about making it gpl but they fell apart.. probably because sun had oracle knocking at the door |
| 15:22.53 | rootkit | babilen thanks a lot:) i am wondering which package should i choose to download? there are 64bit and 32bit..? |
| 15:23.13 | Macer | get 64bit |
| 15:23.29 | Macer | if your cpu supports it |
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| 15:24.19 | babilen | it does |
| 15:24.27 | dvs | kfreebsd? |
| 15:24.40 | rootkit | well i do not know |
| 15:24.52 | rootkit | i want a 32bit version |
| 15:24.57 | babilen | ok |
| 15:24.59 | rootkit | is this good? |
| 15:24.59 | rootkit | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/i386/bt-dvd/ |
| 15:25.20 | rootkit | DVD 1 |
| 15:25.35 | dvs | yes |
| 15:25.44 | rootkit | awesome:) |
| 15:25.50 | rootkit | thanks guys:) |
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| 15:27.25 | babilen | rootkit: It doesn't *really* matter -- There are arguments in favour and against amd64 and your box doesn't necessarily *need* a 64bit kernel -- 32bit userland might still be less cumbersome in a few cases, but you typically don't have any problems with the usual proprietary suspects (flash, skype, ...) anymore. |
| 15:27.49 | rick007 | are the repositories for Squeeze allright ? - I am trying to install AMD 64 squeeze in a Phenom Quad with 1.5 TB Seagate HDD and it fails during install software (netinstall) - tried it few times - does the same - any hint ? |
| 15:27.54 | rootkit | i see |
| 15:27.55 | rootkit | ;) |
| 15:28.05 | ChrisH | ZFS and zones concepts are things I miss in Linux Land |
| 15:28.06 | babilen | rootkit: Have fun! In case nobody mentioned it so far: We have a nice installation guide at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 15:28.10 | rootkit | i would like to dual boot linux min with debian |
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| 15:28.34 | babilen | rootkit: That shouldn't be a problem |
| 15:28.39 | rootkit | i will reformat my hdd, so should i install linux mint first or debian? |
| 15:29.01 | ChrisH | rootkit: I would install the OS I know best as last |
| 15:29.25 | rootkit | right ok |
| 15:29.35 | rootkit | :) |
| 15:29.37 | babilen | rick007: Do you get any particular error (check other consoles with ALT-F{2,3,4}) ? Which mirror do you use? |
| 15:29.59 | ChrisH | I assume it might happen that you install Debian more then one time, doing it the first time :) |
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| 15:30.36 | rootkit | xD |
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| 15:31.02 | rootkit | i will try it out first on vmware to make sure i am doing it right, then i will reformat my hdd and do it proper:) |
| 15:31.22 | ChrisH | rootkit: Thats a good approach! |
| 15:31.27 | rootkit | :P |
| 15:31.38 | rootkit | thanks |
| 15:31.42 | babilen | have fun |
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| 15:32.09 | rootkit | :) |
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| 15:34.11 | rick007 | babilen: I use ftp us debian.org mirror - I got to console - what do I need to type to see the errors ? |
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| 15:35.31 | rick007 | oh is telling setting locale failed |
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| 15:36.02 | babilen | rick007: Are you in the installer and did the error occur yet? You shouldn't have to type anything, but you should see a log of installation related messages and hopefully the actual error. IIRC it is on tty4 |
| 15:36.05 | rick007 | babile while I install I can switch between console and installer ? |
| 15:36.42 | ChrisH | rick007: sure |
| 15:37.43 | babilen | rick007: Yes -- Which console are you using now? Did the installation succeed? |
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| 15:39.39 | rick007 | yes - I see it - it is cool - I can switch between installaler and console - let me go again from partitioning - |
| 15:40.06 | rick007 | should it matter if I choose ext4 instead of ext3 - for / ? |
| 15:40.13 | rick007 | on squeeze ? |
| 15:40.57 | rick007 | now I am looking at every minutia - de boootable flag of / is off - and I choose ext4 |
| 15:41.02 | babilen | sure -- you end up with different filesystems ;) -- I would probably use ext4, but choose whatever you feel fine with. |
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| 15:41.35 | babilen | rick007: The bootable flag has no effect at all for Linux, it is merely needed for MS Windows |
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| 15:46.18 | rick007 | babilen: thanks good to know about that bootable flag - however my system behaves creepy - it dells me deboostrap warning udev_644-amd64 was corrupt - but I know is not true - I did the same with other cd - but let me start clean again |
| 15:47.27 | SPF | when I connect with sftp to a ftp server I only see 10 files in a specific directory. If I do a wget on the ftp path I can see the 10 files including 40 other files. How can I configure sftp to see all the files? |
| 15:47.52 | talexb | SPF Are you connecting as the same user both times? |
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| 15:47.59 | SPF | talexb: yes |
| 15:48.26 | talexb | SPF, Are some of the files hidden files? What does the man page say? |
| 15:49.16 | rick007 | is it possible that the hard disk has some bad sectors ? - how would I do a thorough check ? |
| 15:49.28 | themill | SPF: how are you connecting via sftp to an ftp server? |
| 15:49.40 | SPF | ftp user@host |
| 15:49.43 | ChrisH | rick007: why do you think that? |
| 15:49.43 | SPF | *sftp |
| 15:49.57 | babilen | rick007: It might also make sense to try different mirrors, but I sincerely doubt that ftp.us is the problem. It *might* be that something is wrong with your hardware (RAM, ..) which causes the corruption -- Is udev the culprit every time? Why are you sure that it is not corrupted? How did you test it? |
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| 15:50.26 | themill | SPF: so not via ftp then... |
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| 15:52.36 | Argafal | hi folks. I just booted up a machine with an Adaptec RAID controller, connected are two SAS disks without RAID configuration which I'd like to mount. I see a "Attached scsi generic sgX type 0" for the disks in dmesg, I see them as "disk" in lsscsi, BUT without a /dev/sdX assigned to them. Could you please give me advice what is missing to get a device mapping? |
| 15:52.55 | rick007 | babilen, it maybe - but I installed wheezy few hours ago in the same system - just that I want to have it stable - so I am now trying to install squeeze - it is somehow ironic that I have trouble with squeeze - but it may be hardware problem |
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| 15:53.12 | rootkit | has anyone read the "debian gnu/linux bible by Steve Hunger" ? |
| 15:53.16 | themill | SPF: sure you're actually looking at the same directory via ftp? ftp servers love making interesting aliases or virtual paths for you. |
| 15:53.18 | rootkit | its about 700 pages |
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| 15:54.01 | talexb | SPF, Try listing files from sftp using ls -a .. |
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| 15:54.33 | SPF | themill: the path starts with /export/home |
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| 15:54.38 | SPF | so it could be |
| 15:55.16 | rootkit | has anyone read the "debian gnu/linux bible by Steve Hunger" ? |
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| 15:56.31 | thisthat | i have not read the book |
| 15:56.34 | thisthat | what about it? |
| 15:56.42 | babilen | rootkit: That book is really old and I would recommend to read the three we mentioned earlier -- Also: Do not repeat your question after 2 minutes .. Give us time to read and think about it. |
| 15:56.50 | rootkit | ok |
| 15:56.53 | thisthat | are you advertising? |
| 15:57.02 | SPF | talexb: I tried it, it does not show extra files |
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| 15:57.19 | thisthat | i find that books do not teach as well as playing with the operating system |
| 15:57.32 | talexb | thisthat, Everyone learns differently. |
| 15:57.38 | thisthat | indeed |
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| 15:57.56 | talexb | SPF, I'm out of ideas. There's gotta be a reason. |
| 15:58.29 | SPF | talexb: maybe it's actually not a ftp server, but some sort of homebrew thing |
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| 15:58.53 | SPF | 220 hqoffmed-ap FTP server ready. |
| 15:58.56 | SPF | no idea |
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| 15:59.33 | talexb | SPF, No idea. It could be a service that's masquerading as an ftp server, thus providing different results depending on how you access it. |
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| 16:00.49 | SPF | Version wu-2.6.2+Sun |
| 16:01.02 | colo-work | oh my, could this be wu-ftpd? |
| 16:01.19 | talexb | If I were solving this problem, I'd google the hell out of all of the identifying strings. |
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| 16:01.37 | talexb | I don't know everything (heh), therefore I'm very good at googling. |
| 16:01.44 | SPF | talexb: I'm currently using telnet to try finding the files |
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| 16:01.45 | zykotick9 | SPF: why are you trying to connect to an FTP server with sftp anyways? These are two different services. |
| 16:02.18 | SPF | zykotick9: someone told me to check if some files were uploaded succesfully |
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| 16:02.26 | BitPuffin | dvs, if you type "glxinfo" with your 4850, what does it say at "OpenGL Version String:" |
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| 16:02.38 | BitPuffin | mine says 1.5 Mesa 7.7.1 |
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| 16:03.24 | SPF | talexb: telnet isnt working either -> 550 test: No such file or directory. |
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| 16:03.40 | SPF | on wget I could see it |
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| 16:04.09 | talexb | Don't say "isn't working", say "behaving unexpectedly" .. |
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| 16:04.48 | talexb | It sounds like you don't understand what's going on with this server. I don't understand either. |
| 16:05.07 | shicy | is there any Debian maintainer from Croatia? |
| 16:05.25 | shicy | i'd like to ash few questions :) |
| 16:05.26 | SPF | talexb: true, I'll forward it to the Sun experts then |
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| 16:06.53 | ChrisH | SPF: can you paste more details somewhere, if its not a problem with confidential data? Maybe we can then understand what you are trying to do |
| 16:07.15 | BitPuffin | weird |
| 16:07.23 | BitPuffin | How do I get the asoundconf command? |
| 16:07.39 | themill | SPF: if you upload a new file via one method, is it visible by the other? |
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| 16:09.01 | BitPuffin | oh, alsaconf is the newer one to use |
| 16:09.10 | themill | !alsaconf |
| 16:09.10 | dpkg | alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from the alsa-utils package at version 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>, <default alsa>. See also /usr/share/doc/alsa-utils/NEWS.Debian.gz |
| 16:09.37 | Argafal | does anyone have any advice regarding my problem of mounting the disks as stated above? |
| 16:09.47 | BitPuffin | Well, how do I list the available cards then? |
| 16:09.54 | BitPuffin | I was gonna do asoundconf list |
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| 16:11.19 | themill | BitPuffin: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 16:11.20 | ChrisH | Argafal: can you paste the dmesg, /proc/scsi/scsi and other stuff? |
| 16:12.04 | BitPuffin | thanks themill, now how do I set one of them to be my main card? |
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| 16:12.45 | themill | BitPuffin: alsactl can do that |
| 16:12.51 | Argafal | ChrisH: i'll attach some network, what exactly would you like me to paste? |
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| 16:13.11 | BitPuffin | how do I acess alsactl? |
| 16:13.27 | themill | "access"? |
| 16:13.32 | BitPuffin | well use |
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| 16:13.55 | BitPuffin | In the volume control it doesn't list the sound card I want in devices even though it's listen in cards |
| 16:14.01 | BitPuffin | listed* |
| 16:14.08 | themill | BitPuffin: which volume control? |
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| 16:14.20 | BitPuffin | the one in the upper right corner thing? |
| 16:14.22 | BitPuffin | in gnome? |
| 16:14.25 | ChrisH | Argafal: you mentioned dmesg and other stuff in your question. BTW, you should first check fdisk -l on the disks |
| 16:14.39 | themill | BitPuffin: nfc about that. alsamixer and kmix both handle multiple cards just fine. |
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| 16:15.16 | rick007 | I have this 1.5 TB it shows me 17 bad sectors - how can I hide them - what is the best utility to do that ? |
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| 16:15.31 | Argafal | ChrisH: I don't get devices for them (I don't have /dev/sdX for them). only /dev/sgX, which makes fdisk -l hang forever. |
| 16:15.55 | Argafal | ChrisH: So it seems I am missing some driver for "scsi disk" that creates devices for me. |
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| 16:16.23 | Argafal | ChrisH: i'll get you dmesg, /proc/scsi/scsi and lsscsi for a start, will take a minute. |
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| 16:18.29 | BitPuffin | themill, "sudo alsactl init 1" where 1 is the id of my sound card. I'll try and reboot now to see if it worked! |
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| 16:19.49 | samba35 | in redhat there is option with rpm -c to check config files of pack is there any command with dpkg or apt ? |
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| 16:21.39 | Argafal | ChrisH: http://nopaste.info/e2c8c4d700.html here you find lsscsi, /proc/scsi/scsi and dmesg. I want to mount the two SEAGATE disks, but as you see from lsscsi no devices are created/assigned to them. As you can see from dmesg they are recognized as generic scsi devices, but not as disks for some reason. |
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| 16:21.51 | BitPuffin | still doesn't show up in the volume manager :( |
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| 16:23.45 | themill | samba35: not sure what you mean by "check", but /msg dpkg debsums |
| 16:24.14 | ChrisH | Argafal: is sd_mod loaded? |
| 16:25.35 | Argafal | ChrisH: yes. |
| 16:26.11 | Argafal | ChrisH: however. hang on. that's strange. |
| 16:26.31 | Argafal | ChrisH: modprobe sd_mod returns with exitcode 0. but sd_mod is not in lsmod. |
| 16:26.35 | BitPuffin | okay so when looking at it in alsamixer it says it doesn't have any controls |
| 16:26.58 | Argafal | ChrisH: dmesg does not give errors. |
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| 16:27.13 | ChrisH | Argafal: rebooted? |
| 16:28.10 | BitPuffin | WHY does it work in Ubuntu then? |
| 16:28.18 | Argafal | ChrisH: what would that change? |
| 16:28.19 | BitPuffin | am I missing a package? |
| 16:28.33 | Argafal | ChrisH: i did modprobe sd_mod followed by lsmod. it's not in there. |
| 16:28.49 | Argafal | ChrisH: dmesg does not give messages connected to it. |
| 16:29.16 | ChrisH | Argafal: Strange loadorder? rmmod all related modules? I made the experience that rebooting might be faster |
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| 16:30.30 | themill | BitPuffin: different kernel? Different version of alsa? |
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| 16:32.23 | Argafal | ChrisH: alright, let me do that and then do a modprobe sd_mod and see what happens. |
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| 16:33.16 | samba35 | themill, sorry had a call |
| 16:33.45 | samba35 | no i mean i want to know config files associated with that package |
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| 16:34.15 | sickgut | what do i apt-get to play encrypted dvds? |
| 16:34.33 | sickgut | im getting a libdvdread error no css library |
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| 16:34.42 | Argafal | !dpkg libcss |
| 16:34.42 | dpkg | i guess libcss is search google for unofficial apt sources for a debian package, or at deb http://linuxvideo.org/oms/data/debian/ ./ |
| 16:34.49 | themill | samba35: I still don't know what you really want. debsums might be what you're looking for. |
| 16:34.58 | samba35 | ok |
| 16:34.59 | Argafal | sickgut: does that help you? |
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| 16:35.37 | bolt | can lsof show what's using a given display (i.e. :50.0)? I can't find it. |
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| 16:35.39 | BitPuffin | themill, you think I need a newer kernel? |
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| 16:35.57 | themill | BitPuffin: is it a particularly new card? |
| 16:36.03 | sickgut | lol you know that link there goes to a no prescription drug store? |
| 16:36.04 | babilen | sickgut: You need libdvdcss2 from videolan -- you can get that directly from upstream (http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/libdvdcss/1.2.10/deb/) or from the Debian multimedia repository (/msg dpkg dmm) |
| 16:36.04 | BitPuffin | mbox 3 mini |
| 16:36.18 | Argafal | sickgut: lol. |
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| 16:36.26 | themill | sickgut: thanks. Will fix. |
| 16:36.34 | Argafal | sickgut: no, i didn't. Channel: Who'd be responsible for changing dpkg's messages? |
| 16:36.42 | BitPuffin | trying to find info on when it was released |
| 16:36.52 | samba35 | themill, ok ,i will try to give better understanding |
| 16:36.52 | BitPuffin | themill, but it has been around for a year or two at least |
| 16:36.55 | samba35 | pls wait |
| 16:37.10 | Argafal | ChrisH: modprobe sd_mod after a fresh boot still does not show up in lsmod. No errors in dmesg |
| 16:37.21 | sickgut | well i do need so me cheap viagra no questions asked.... |
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| 16:37.39 | samba35 | rpm -qc {pacakge-name} |
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| 16:37.52 | samba35 | Display list of configuration file(s) for a package |
| 16:38.01 | samba35 | rpm -qc httpd |
| 16:38.16 | samba35 | http://www.cyberciti.biz/howto/question/linux/linux-rpm-cheat-sheet.php |
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| 16:38.32 | samba35 | similer do debian/ubuntu has that option |
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| 16:38.56 | sickgut | thankyou i got the package |
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| 16:39.33 | BitPuffin | themill, but it works in ubuntu based stuff. That's what's strange |
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| 16:40.58 | ffizz | i'm trying to add a second ip to my server. all the tutorials tell me to edit /etc/network/interfaces but that file doesnt exist. what am i doing wrong? |
| 16:40.58 | ChrisH | Argafal: A guess... could it be some udev issue as meanwhile all IDE based disks show up as sdX, too? |
| 16:41.05 | themill | samba35: any of "debsums -e apache2.2-common", "apt-file show apache2.2-common|grep /etc" or "dpkg -s apache2.2-common" would show you that sort of information |
| 16:41.30 | samba35 | ok |
| 16:41.30 | themill | BitPuffin: well whatever ubuntu release you're comparing it to would probably have a different kernel and different alsa. |
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| 16:42.05 | BitPuffin | themill, how old is the alsa in debian? |
| 16:42.25 | Argafal | ChrisH: well, there is no ide discs in this machine. also the CDROM is identified correctly and assigned /dev/sr0 |
| 16:42.26 | themill | ,v alsa-utils |
| 16:42.27 | judd | Package: alsa-utils on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.16-2; squeeze: 1.0.23-3; sid: 1.0.24.2-4; wheezy: 1.0.24.2-4 |
| 16:42.28 | ChrisH | Argafal: do you know http://hwraid.le-vert.net/wiki/Adaptec ? |
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| 16:43.12 | Argafal | ChrisH: no, i don't. thanks |
| 16:43.34 | BitPuffin | I ment like how old by how many years |
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| 16:44.36 | mackminer | guys, anyone here able to help regarding troubleshooting nameserver issue. I cannot connect to domain names, only IP's. |
| 16:45.05 | Argafal | ChrisH: Not that I see any relation to the missing device though. |
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| 16:46.08 | ChrisH | modprobe aacraid -- On some Sun lowcost raid controller you need to configure the Disk as non-raid in Controller bios before the OS will see them |
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| 16:46.43 | Argafal | ChrisH: well, but the system sees them and lsscsi sees them as disks. there is just no devices for them :/ |
| 16:46.57 | ChrisH | then we are back to udev |
| 16:47.16 | Argafal | ChrisH: right. so my knowledge about udev is about zero. |
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| 16:49.14 | ChrisH | Argafal: My tries to write udev rules failled all! |
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| 16:51.43 | Macer | haha |
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| 16:51.48 | Macer | i tried it once and failed as well |
| 16:51.51 | Macer | they are quite a pain |
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| 16:52.10 | Macer | i think the only time i fixed a udev rule was a long time ago and extremely documented |
| 16:53.07 | Macer | how well does a linux swap work? i mean... as far as the swapiness vs performance? |
| 16:53.35 | Macer | i mean does the required read from the disk really kick the box' ass? |
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| 16:55.01 | ChrisH | For Solaris I would say this: You should avoid to use the swap pages for performance. But you need nearly the same amount of swap as RAM installed to enable to kernel to handle out all existing memory pages. |
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| 17:13.19 | moes | Looking for the correct iso to burn to cd of squeeze...I find 52 packages ..Which should I use ??? |
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| 17:14.30 | NikLP | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
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| 17:16.22 | BitPuffin | is there anything that I have to do after make install? |
| 17:16.32 | themill | moes: CD1 or the netinst are fine |
| 17:16.36 | BitPuffin | because I installed GLIB and gegl is still complaining |
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| 17:17.41 | spm_Draget | Regular Debian squeeze (6.x) does not come with pulseaudio, correct? Does anyone know how well the support is? Can it be simply installed? |
| 17:17.52 | BitPuffin | oh wait |
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| 17:18.05 | BitPuffin | maybe pulse audio will solve the problem with my sound card? |
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| 17:18.52 | spm_Draget | Hey, do nto randomly jump on my questions! :P |
| 17:19.22 | BitPuffin | I jump wherever I want! |
| 17:19.34 | spm_Draget | PA solves a few things in a really beautyful elegant way, and sometiems rips open a whole bunch of new annoying problems <.< But pidgin and mplayer are somehow messing up my alsa, so I thought i could give it a try. |
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| 17:24.01 | BitPuffin | okay now when I installed pulseaudio the sound card shows up! |
| 17:24.22 | BitPuffin | but how do I set that to be the card to use? |
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| 17:32.31 | Prasoon | JECRC iWeekend presents iSoftware. Means Innovation in software. Show us your innovation and Get money worth 1000$. Goto http://jecrciweekend,com |
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| 17:33.43 | BitPuffin | crap |
| 17:33.45 | BitPuffin | something broke |
| 17:33.53 | BitPuffin | I thought debian never broke! ;_; |
| 17:34.14 | spm_Draget | chuckles |
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| 17:34.24 | BitPuffin | it's either pulseaudio or it's the things I make install'd |
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| 17:34.45 | spm_Draget | Which version is current in sqeueeze of pa? |
| 17:34.48 | BitPuffin | cannot see my other hard drives anymore |
| 17:34.49 | spm_Draget | 1.x ? |
| 17:34.51 | spm_Draget | Or 0.9x? |
| 17:35.02 | BitPuffin | pa? |
| 17:35.07 | spm_Draget | pulse audio |
| 17:35.11 | BitPuffin | oh |
| 17:35.13 | BitPuffin | lemme check |
| 17:35.37 | spm_Draget | PA should not really touch anything device related at all. If your devices disappeared, it must be somethign else. Maybe you forced some udev update or-i-dont-know along with the installation? |
| 17:35.39 | BitPuffin | 0.9.21-rebootstrapped-dirty |
| 17:35.45 | spm_Draget | You must know, I am not really a debian user :P |
| 17:35.50 | spm_Draget | Okay |
| 17:36.45 | BitPuffin | maybe I should try arch |
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| 17:37.21 | BitPuffin | dvs! |
| 17:37.38 | dvs | hey |
| 17:37.47 | BitPuffin | could you type glxinfo in terminal? |
| 17:37.51 | dvs | had to go away to answer a service call |
| 17:37.54 | BitPuffin | and see which opengl version is supported? |
| 17:38.02 | BitPuffin | with your 4850? |
| 17:38.20 | dvs | server glx version string: 1.2 |
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| 17:38.29 | BitPuffin | nono |
| 17:38.32 | dvs | oh? I'm not on my computer with the 4850 |
| 17:38.32 | BitPuffin | OpenGL version string: |
| 17:38.38 | BitPuffin | oh shoot :( |
| 17:38.44 | BitPuffin | well can you do it when you can? |
| 17:38.48 | BitPuffin | because I only get 1.5 |
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| 17:38.52 | BitPuffin | which explains the problems with games |
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| 17:39.09 | dvs | OpenGL version string: 1.5 Mesa 7.7.1 |
| 17:39.20 | dvs | But the other computer should be the same. |
| 17:39.28 | BitPuffin | okay |
| 17:39.34 | BitPuffin | why isn't higher versions supported </3 |
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| 17:40.31 | dvs | ,versions libqt4-opengl |
| 17:40.33 | judd | Package: libqt4-opengl on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.3-1+lenny1; lenny-security: 4.4.3-1+lenny1; squeeze: 4:4.6.3-4+squeeze1; wheezy: 4:4.7.3-5; sid: 4:4.7.4-2; experimental: 4:4.8.0-1 |
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| 17:42.01 | BitPuffin | well my card *should* support higher than 1.5 |
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| 17:45.00 | Lorra | Hi everyone, does anybody have a clue why when I type info at the terminal I get cannot find the node "Top"? |
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| 17:47.07 | Lorra_ | Hi, sorry, it's still Lorra |
| 17:47.41 | Lorra_ | as I gave a list command in the other tab (using the webchat) and it stuck there |
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| 17:48.11 | dvs | BitPuffin: I'm sure your card can support higher than 1.5. The problem could be that that version hasn't been ported over to Debian yet. |
| 17:48.14 | dondelelcaro | Lorra_: /usr/share/info/dir doesn't exist, probably because installinfo failed or you don't have any info files. |
| 17:48.24 | tuxcrafter | how can i install a group of deb files that have dependencies on each others |
| 17:48.33 | tuxcrafter | i want to install http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ |
| 17:48.36 | Lorra_ | dondelelcaro: I do have info files in /usr/share/info |
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| 17:48.43 | tuxcrafter | dpkg -i * doesnt work |
| 17:48.43 | dpkg | package * doesnt work is already installed |
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| 17:49.19 | Lorra_ | dondelelcaro: moreover I have never installed anything "by hand", I always used apt-get install |
| 17:49.51 | BitPuffin | dvs, which is why I guess I'm gonna have to go arch |
| 17:49.57 | BitPuffin | so I get later stuff |
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| 17:50.07 | BitPuffin | very later stuff |
| 17:50.15 | BitPuffin | I do love debian though :) |
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| 17:50.22 | Lorra_ | dondelelcaro: well, this is a little of a white lie, I installed texlive using their executable from the website |
| 17:50.30 | Lorra_ | brb |
| 17:50.51 | dvs | BitPuffin: There's still testing/wheezy but things can break more frequently |
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| 17:53.20 | dondelelcaro | Lorra_: do you have /usr/share/info/dir? that's what top is. |
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| 17:55.27 | engla | when is linux 3.2 coming to unstable? |
| 17:55.41 | dvs | soon? |
| 17:55.48 | dvs | ,kernels |
| 17:55.50 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.8-2); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.8-2); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 17:56.23 | dvs | compiles his own |
| 17:56.23 | BitPuffin | dvs, is wheezy 7? |
| 17:56.29 | mutante | there is that German Debian T-shirt. "We said it's ready when it's ready. (in German) ..and the Debian logo :) |
| 17:56.38 | dvs | BitPuffin: Will be someday |
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| 17:58.23 | mutante | "soon come" |
| 17:58.54 | mutante | on Urban dictionary: "isn't defined yet".. hah nice in it's own way:) |
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| 18:00.33 | engla | someone already opened a debian bug to beg for 3.2. At least I understand that the kernel team will know about new releases |
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| 18:09.10 | rootkit | debian ftw |
| 18:09.45 | Lorra_ | dondelelcaro: yes, I have it |
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| 18:10.49 | Lorra_ | dondelelcaro: I've also found a post on launchpad about some possible errors which might be in the Italian version of it (mine) and tried to fix them with no luck |
| 18:11.03 | Lorra_ | now I've put back the old version of the file |
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| 18:11.27 | Lorra_ | which I backed up previous any changes |
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| 18:12.26 | Lorra | dondelelcaro: and more, if you know, does info have some associated environment variable?7 |
| 18:12.33 | Lorra | dondelelcaro: is that INFOPATH? |
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| 18:20.50 | Lorra | dondelelcaro: I praise you D':, you looked like having some knowledge about that...: P |
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| 18:21.17 | Mortvert | o/ Hi. |
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| 18:21.42 | Mortvert | Does any of you know how i can detect my soundcard manufacturer? I want to get the sound up and working but got no idea how. |
| 18:22.09 | dvs | Mortvert: lspci -nn | grep -i sound |
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| 18:22.37 | Mortvert | Ugh.. Nothing came up, dvs |
| 18:23.02 | Mortvert | Realted ac97 |
| 18:23.04 | Maxou56800 | yo |
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| 18:23.16 | Mortvert | Realtek AC97 i mean |
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| 18:23.39 | dvs | Mortvert: lspci -nn | grep -i audio |
| 18:23.57 | Mortvert | 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller [1106:3059] (rev 50) |
| 18:24.14 | dvs | ,pciid 1106:3059 |
| 18:24.16 | judd | [1106:3059] is 'VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller' from 'VIA Technologies, Inc.' with kernel module 'snd-via82xx' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1106:3059 http://wiki.debian.org/slmodem and the out-of-tree 'snd-via82xx' module. |
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| 18:25.01 | Mortvert | judd - so all i have to do is install alsamixer and the driver? |
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| 18:27.02 | AR-Brad | Are Apple Airport Wi-Fi cards compatible with Debian Linux? Normally I would ask in #debianppc, but that chat is dead. |
| 18:27.35 | DelTree | iirc they do work... |
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| 18:27.47 | Lorra | Mortvert: I think you have a package which should be called alsa-utils |
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| 18:28.13 | Mortvert | Lorra - wasnt installed. |
| 18:28.22 | Lorra | Mortvert: if you have that, then you can run a command which is called alsaconf |
| 18:28.30 | Lorra | and that should configure your soundcard |
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| 18:28.59 | wildc4rd | good evening all! |
| 18:29.10 | dvs | afternoon! |
| 18:29.41 | Mortvert | Lorra - thanks. I've never really messed with sound before so i didn't know |
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| 18:30.19 | Lorra | Mortvert: but first of all run alsamixer |
| 18:30.51 | Lorra | Mortvert: you get a textual mixer, I think at the bottom of the screen you have information on how to move around the different virtual sliders |
| 18:31.04 | Lorra | check you don't have MM at the bottom of your master volume |
| 18:31.17 | Lorra | if you have it, it means your master volume is muted |
| 18:31.45 | Lorra | you can unmute it by moving on the slider and hitting M |
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| 18:33.59 | Mortvert | Lorra - no such thing as alsaconf |
| 18:34.25 | Lorra | Mortvert, first of all try to run alsamixer |
| 18:34.25 | dvs | !alsa checklist |
| 18:34.25 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 18:36.40 | dvs | get out! |
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| 18:37.55 | Lorra | sorry, I reformulate my question as maybe someone new came and he/she'll never find it among previous messages |
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| 18:38.09 | Lorra | so does anybody has a clue why when I type info I get cannot find the node "Top" |
| 18:38.10 | Lorra | ? |
| 18:38.29 | Lorra | I have a /usr/share/info/dir |
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| 18:39.46 | nyu | Hi. I'm having a problem with my fresh Debian install. When I try to log in, it doesn't accept my password. |
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| 18:40.12 | leonie | nyu, and what happens if you change your password? |
| 18:40.39 | nyu | leonie: How would I change my password if I don't even get as far as logging in? |
| 18:41.15 | leonie | nyu, so it is your root password that doesn't work? |
| 18:41.51 | nyu | No. root is disabled, I've set up a normal user that is allowed to use sudo. |
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| 18:42.29 | leonie | nyu, so i think you should boot init=/bin/bash first, in order to look for what's wrong |
| 18:43.12 | leonie | or boot livesystem and chroot |
| 18:43.12 | nyu | Ok |
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| 18:43.32 | leonie | depends on what machine you are using at the moment :) |
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| 18:44.06 | nyu | This is a phone |
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| 18:44.22 | nyu | Where I'm IRCing from |
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| 18:44.52 | mutante | oh, Nokia N900? |
| 18:45.28 | nyu | No, N8 |
| 18:45.34 | Mortvert | hmm |
| 18:45.42 | leonie | nyu, then just try appending init=/bin/bash at the kernel options line in grub |
| 18:45.48 | nyu | How do I edit kernel command line in grub? |
| 18:45.51 | leonie | press e |
| 18:46.06 | leonie | and then b to boot it :) |
| 18:46.10 | Macer | n8 runs symbian doesn't it? |
| 18:46.12 | Mortvert | I still get the 'Sound: initialization failed for device USS' when i run a program |
| 18:46.24 | nyu | It does, Symbian^3 |
| 18:46.31 | Mortvert | but aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav does work, i can hear the noise. |
| 18:46.38 | Macer | i am on my n900 ;) |
| 18:46.40 | leonie | nyu, if youre not 200% sure your password is correct, then change that first |
| 18:46.46 | Macer | the only good nokia lol |
| 18:47.06 | leonie | i also have a nokia phone but i hate it, it crashes all the time :( |
| 18:47.06 | Lorra | Mortvert: so what's not working? |
| 18:47.23 | nyu | Hah |
| 18:47.24 | Mortvert | Lorra - my c64 emulator sound. |
| 18:47.26 | nyu | faints out |
| 18:47.28 | Macer | nokia probably cost cut ;) |
| 18:47.35 | leonie | (well, and I have some nvidia driver that won't work, but nyu fortunately distracted me) |
| 18:47.41 | nyu | passwd: user 'nyuszika7h' does not exist |
| 18:47.48 | Macer | nyu: i was kidding. n8 and e7 look nice |
| 18:48.00 | nyu | Not on your comment |
| 18:48.03 | Mortvert | now i got randomly d/ced ._. |
| 18:48.19 | Lorra | Mortvert: that's "another story", maybe sound is a thread in the emulator program and if something goes wrong, that thread is brought down |
| 18:48.24 | Macer | i am going to get an e7 when the price drops a bit |
| 18:48.30 | leonie | nyu, you have to "mount -o remount,rw /" first in order to do anything on that system, its mounted ro by standard |
| 18:48.37 | Mortvert | Lorra - eh, now i can't reconnect over ssh |
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| 18:48.43 | Mortvert | and i don't want to force-shutdown on the box |
| 18:48.52 | leonie | nyu, then have a look at /etc/passwd if your user exists or how you spelled it |
| 18:48.55 | Macer | i should try the debian chroot on the n900 |
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| 18:48.56 | nyu | Cannot lock /etc/group |
| 18:49.03 | nyu | When I try adduser |
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| 18:49.33 | leonie | nyu, have you already remounted /? |
| 18:49.42 | Macer | i don't see a need tho with maemo being so awesome |
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| 18:50.07 | Macer | which really is just a debian based os... wish hildon was better |
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| 18:50.32 | nyu | Thanks. This helped: |
| 18:50.45 | nyu | root@(none):/# mount -o remount,rw / |
| 18:50.58 | l3on | Hi, I'm new in debian packaging.. is there anyway to build a package ad debug it? I mean, I would like to preserve debian/tmp/ directory, how can I do? 'debuild -B' ? |
| 18:51.12 | leonie | nyu, and then look at /etc/passwd and look for the user. maybe you misspelled the name. |
| 18:51.17 | nyu | Now. Where do I get video drivers? |
| 18:51.25 | nyu | I have an ATI graphics card. |
| 18:51.38 | leonie | nyu, first, reboot to your usual system |
| 18:51.49 | nyu | Yea, I'm doing that |
| 18:51.52 | leonie | fine :) |
| 18:52.02 | nyu | Exim4 is taking long to start up |
| 18:52.17 | leonie | for ati, i think, there is a manual in the wiki. |
| 18:52.40 | leonie | as is for nvidia, haha. this is where i am stuck right now :-) |
| 18:53.04 | nyu | I don't have home directory. |
| 18:53.26 | nyu | Bah, not in sudoers file. |
| 18:53.41 | leonie | nyu, that is because you added this user as a new user |
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| 18:54.25 | leonie | nyu, you also have to add that user to some groups so that you won't experience trouble later |
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| 18:55.49 | leonie | nyu, groups: <username>, cdrom, floppy, audio, dip, video, plugdev <- they are standard |
| 18:56.02 | leonie | and edit sudoers file |
| 18:56.05 | leonie | then it should work |
| 18:56.34 | nyu | Ok |
| 18:56.57 | leonie | and, create homedir and chown <username> <homedir> |
| 18:57.12 | leonie | chown -R, i mean. |
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| 18:57.22 | gozer__ | 17 YEARS OLD: http://i1.imgchili.com/3455/3455470_33639_1419685733799_.jpg |
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| 18:57.24 | gozer__ | 19 YEARS OLD: http://i1.imgchili.com/3829/3829497_random_boobs_815_4.jpeg |
| 18:57.28 | gozer__ | 19 YEARS OLD: http://h8torade.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/danielle_houghton-2.jpg |
| 18:57.50 | dvs | !ops gozer__ |
| 18:57.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: dvs complains about: gozer__ |
| 18:57.50 | Macer | uhm |
| 18:58.02 | willwh | hi guys, I'm trying to set up php5-cgi on debian squeeze |
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| 18:58.28 | willwh | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.39 | willwh | what should I do here? :] |
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| 18:59.12 | nyu | leonie: Group clip doesn't exist |
| 18:59.24 | leonie | nyu, that's not clip, but "dip" |
| 18:59.33 | leonie | don't ask me what that's for :) |
| 18:59.36 | nyu | Suddenly /home/nyuszika7h appears from nowhere... |
| 18:59.50 | nyu | D - I - P? |
| 18:59.57 | leonie | yes |
| 19:00.11 | leonie | it's there on my installation, i don't know ;) |
| 19:00.22 | nyu | dip exists |
| 19:00.26 | leonie | nyu, i think that homedir was already there, but are you SURE it is spelled correctly? |
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| 19:00.51 | leonie | nyu, because maybe you just misspelled the username or something |
| 19:02.41 | leonie | nyu, make sure you add your user to those standard groups, else you will get problems later on |
| 19:02.51 | nyu | I dkd |
| 19:02.54 | nyu | Did* |
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| 19:03.24 | leonie | great :) |
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| 19:03.34 | nyu | ... |
| 19:03.43 | nyu | Temporary failure in name resolution |
| 19:03.45 | thorie | is there a way to run an X server without a display, then connect to that display remotely using vnc? |
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| 19:03.55 | leonie | lol |
| 19:04.16 | jelly-home | thorie: that's exactly how vnc server on unix work. |
| 19:04.22 | jelly-home | servers* |
| 19:04.36 | leonie | nyu, check your network configuration ('route' and 'ifconfig') and nameserver (in /etc/resolv.conf) |
| 19:04.51 | thorie | jelly-home: can u point me to how to set that up? im pretty noob |
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| 19:05.40 | thorie | jelly-home: i first need to start a headless framebuffered x server right? |
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| 19:05.55 | nyu | NS should be 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4 IIRC |
| 19:06.03 | jelly-home | thorie: I haven't set one of those up in years. Get vnc4server and make it work. |
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| 19:06.28 | jelly-home | thorie: wrong. The vnc server provides both the vnc and X11 interface. |
| 19:06.47 | thorie | ohhh this might be easier then i imagined... hmm |
| 19:07.20 | jelly-home | it is only later that someone made a vnc server that connects to a running X session, that'd be "x11vnc". You don't need that, by the looks of it |
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| 19:08.12 | leonie | nyu, try to ping an ip (out in the internet, not in your local network) instead of a dns, then you see where the problem lies |
| 19:08.14 | thorie | if i can avoid that extra step that would be great |
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| 19:09.21 | leonie | anyway |
| 19:09.35 | nyu | Destination Host Unreachable |
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| 19:09.41 | Lorra | Hi newcomers, does anyone have a clue why if I type info at the command prompt I get cannot find the node "Top"? |
| 19:09.49 | leonie | anyone know what to do with an nvidia error "RmInitAdapter failed"? |
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| 19:10.12 | leonie | nyu, then your network configuration is messed up |
| 19:10.27 | nyu | Worked on live CD... Err, USB |
| 19:10.28 | leonie | nyu, you know how to deal with ifconfig/route/dhclient? |
| 19:10.47 | thorie | jelly-home: wow that works so cool!!! |
| 19:10.49 | nyu | I know ifconfig and iwconfig, not sure about route and dhcliemt |
| 19:11.22 | leonie | nyu, ok do you have a dhcp (automatic ip address service) in your local network? |
| 19:11.37 | leonie | nyu, and is it wired or wireless? |
| 19:11.53 | nyu | Yes, I have DHCP and it's wireless |
| 19:12.34 | leonie | nyu, is it encrypted? |
| 19:12.45 | nyu | No |
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| 19:13.04 | loop | iwconfig INTERFACE enc on |
| 19:13.33 | loop | iwconfig INTERFACE key s:4567876565aaa |
| 19:14.01 | leonie | does iwconfig show the essid of your wlan? |
| 19:14.13 | loop | iwconfig INTERFACE essid NAME |
| 19:14.31 | leonie | and then run dhclient <wlan0 or whatever> |
| 19:14.43 | loop | ifconfig INTERFACE UP |
| 19:14.55 | loop | then obtain |
| 19:15.18 | loop | or you could install network-manager |
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| 19:16.08 | moes | Trying to install iso on flash drive using dd...the flash drive /dev/sdc gives me a permission denied error...cannot change permissions...what am I missing |
| 19:16.43 | leonie | moes, you do it as root? |
| 19:17.00 | moes | ahead of dd |
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| 19:18.24 | leonie | moes, are you root when you try to run the dd command? |
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| 19:19.55 | tehrabbi1t | hey, trying to install the latest version of pidgin, but i'm getting a GTK+ dependency issue, i'm using wheezy btw. |
| 19:20.03 | tehrabbi1t | what was that apt-get build dep commanda gain? |
| 19:20.03 | tehrabbi1t | again* |
| 19:22.27 | nyu | iwconfig doesn't exist. And I can't install anything without network. This is netinstall. |
| 19:22.46 | nyu | tehrabbi1t: sudo apt-get build-dep |
| 19:24.12 | leonie | nyu, i think wlan will not work on netinstall |
| 19:24.40 | nyu | Why? |
| 19:24.54 | nyu | What packages do I need for WLAN? |
| 19:25.04 | leonie | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ it says wlan is not supported |
| 19:25.34 | loop | because its an attack vector |
| 19:25.34 | dvs | nyu: a) my WLAN cards need firmware and b) WPA is not supported. |
| 19:25.46 | dvs | s/my/most |
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| 19:26.01 | loop | netinst implies youre already connected to the net |
| 19:26.02 | leonie | nyu, most wlan cards need extra firmware |
| 19:26.20 | cardamon | firmware, and occassionally nonfree drivers. |
| 19:27.03 | loop | plug it in |
| 19:27.20 | leonie | nyu, can't you install a wired connection for a few hours? |
| 19:27.45 | cardamon | And if you have MY card...the listed free driver doesn't work, so you have to use the old STA driver. Which will eventually stop working should the kernel drift away. |
| 19:28.28 | leonie | i had a wlan stick that had to use a driver that caused the kernel to freeze |
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| 19:29.38 | leonie | that's a bad sign, lol. |
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| 19:29.55 | cardamon | the rt2x000 driver or whatever it was called just didn't work for me. Reported a working device, and would scan, but wouldn't produce any scan results. |
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| 19:30.20 | cardamon | switched to the rt2800sta and suddenly it worked like magic. |
| 19:30.29 | cardamon | like magic. |
| 19:30.38 | dvs | cardamon: and now that driver is no longer there. :-( |
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| 19:30.48 | nyu | I'm back |
| 19:30.53 | dvs | runs |
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| 19:30.54 | cardamon | dvs rt2800sta? |
| 19:30.58 | nyu | So, what packages are needed for WLAN? |
| 19:31.07 | dvs | !rt2800sta |
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| 19:32.44 | leonie | nyu, better use a wired connection until you set it all up |
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| 19:33.25 | nyu | leonie: Hmph. I can try. |
| 19:34.13 | leonie | nyu, wlan can be an endless trouble in some cases, you'll be happier with a wire |
| 19:34.32 | cardamon | If you're doing a netinstall, listen to leonie. The netinstall is minimalist stuff, and every wlan card is different, requiring different firmware or drivers that aren't even in the 'free' repos at times, if they |
| 19:34.36 | cardamon | 're in a repo at all. |
| 19:34.51 | cardamon | Drivers...probably. Firmware, no. |
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| 19:35.00 | dvs | cardamon: what does "lspci -nn | grep -i wireless" say? |
| 19:35.02 | nyu | Which cable do I need to plug into my computer? The one from router? |
| 19:35.06 | nyu | That white one? |
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| 19:35.45 | cardamon | ... |
| 19:36.01 | cardamon | ...I'm going to go with yes, the white one. |
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| 19:36.10 | cardamon | From the router. |
| 19:36.13 | loop | lol |
| 19:36.22 | loop | white is right baby |
| 19:36.26 | leonie | lol. |
| 19:36.28 | dvs | chooses the red pill |
| 19:36.29 | leonie | mine is yellow. |
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| 19:36.34 | cardamon | Plug it in. $ ping -c 3 www.google.com |
| 19:36.36 | leonie | and i also have a blue one. |
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| 19:36.59 | diegocn | Hello ppl. I've installed debian 6 with RAID1 support (software; at installation). So, I tried to remove first hd and boot just with second hd and system don't boot. Is that right? |
| 19:37.24 | cardamon | leonie: Mine's blue too. Blue ones have larger tubes, so you can get more data. |
| 19:37.49 | leonie | cardamon, yeah and the one with red clips are even better. |
| 19:37.52 | abrotman | how is that related to Debian ? |
| 19:38.21 | loop | nyu eh |
| 19:38.31 | valdyn | diegocn: debian cant boot if grub is not there on that disk or if the bios is not booting from that disk |
| 19:39.23 | diegocn | valdyn, but when i install with raid1 support the system dont make a 'mirror installation' on both hds? |
| 19:39.36 | valdyn | diegocn: i dont know |
| 19:39.42 | cardamon | Which one's the pciid bot? |
| 19:39.45 | valdyn | diegocn: and i dont know about your bios |
| 19:40.01 | valdyn | !pciid |
| 19:40.01 | dpkg | The PCI ID helps us work out how to support your PCI hardware. It looks like [abcd:1234] in the output of "lspci -nn". Ask the bot "judd" to match the PCI ID of the device, e.g. "/msg judd pciid 8086:284b". Some hardware uses alternate means of detection: beware of some false positives+negatives. See also <judd-hardware>, <local pciid>. To find out what currently installed kernel modules your hardware is using, run "lspci -k". |
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| 19:41.47 | cardamon | Gracias. |
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| 19:47.22 | ch4tt3rb1t | I've a bunch off old machines, and I'm building an "offline network" with them. At home. I was going to setup one of them to control all the other, but now a question comes to my mind: |
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| 19:47.41 | ch4tt3rb1t | is there any way to do it "distributed"? without a central server |
| 19:47.58 | nyu | connect: Network is unreachable |
| 19:48.04 | nyu | With wired connection |
| 19:48.15 | nyu | 192;168.1.1 is pingable |
| 19:48.31 | dvs | nyu: is 8.8.8.8? |
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| 19:48.44 | nyu | Nope |
| 19:48.48 | setuid | I am looking for the kernel source + headers that are mated to the kernel 2.6.39-1-amd64 |
| 19:48.50 | nyu | Network is unreachable |
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| 19:48.58 | tripleZ- | hello |
| 19:49.01 | setuid | How do I find these? apt-cache search produces nothing that matchs .39 |
| 19:49.34 | nyu | apt-file search |
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| 19:50.19 | ken055 | hell, I try to let virt-manager run on Debian 6.03, clicking in the system submenu (I installed it from official repositories) and I get an error message when I start it : "unable to open a connection to the libvirt management daemon. Libvirt URI is qemu:///system Verify that The 'libvirtd' daemon has been started". What did I miss ? |
| 19:50.24 | ken055 | hello* |
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| 19:50.46 | FLeiXiuS | Do the preseed contents have to be in a specific order? |
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| 19:51.58 | tripleZ- | if i use wheezy, i must have squeeze and sid repository with a tunned /etc/apt/preferences.d/apt ? |
| 19:52.22 | dvs | tripleZ-: no, you can just have wheezy. |
| 19:52.39 | dvorak_ | Hi there! I have an issue with useradd. If I type "useradd -m -d /home/test/ -u 2012 test" and I log in as the respective user (su test), it seems that the PS1 variable is empty and the arrow keys don't work as they should. They type ^[[A, ^[[B, ^[[C or ^[[D. Can you please tell me how to fix the problem and make the respective user behave normally, as if it would have been created by the adduser command? |
| 19:52.54 | tripleZ- | dvs, yes, but the best if have other with a apt files tunned ? |
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| 19:53.12 | dvs | tripleZ-: that usually makes things worse. |
| 19:53.19 | nick12345 | sera list |
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| 19:54.01 | tripleZ- | dvs, thanks |
| 19:54.04 | dvs | np |
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| 19:54.58 | moes | Debian-live-6.0.3-i386-standard.iso...Burned to cd and to usb flash drive..the md5sum are the same on the usb and cd but do not match the download..even though the md5sum matched the download...Have I got a bad download??? |
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| 19:56.27 | ken055 | moes: on USB or CD, there isn't any ISO anymore as far as I know... How may you md5sum it ? |
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| 19:56.54 | moes | dd etc |
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| 19:58.08 | setuid | Anyone know? Where do I find the kernel headers matching linux-image-2.6.39-1-amd64? |
| 19:58.35 | rozie | setuid: repo with kernel should have also headers |
| 19:58.44 | setuid | rozie, It doesn't appear to |
| 19:58.49 | moes | Both systems reach the user@debian:~$ prompt then I cannot log in |
| 19:59.03 | setuid | # apt-cache search 2.6.39-1 && echo $? |
| 19:59.03 | setuid | linux-image-2.6.39-1-amd64 - Linux 2.6.39 for 64-bit PCs |
| 19:59.03 | setuid | 0 |
| 19:59.56 | setuid | I'll install linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-xen-amd64 and see if I can get the headers with that instead |
| 19:59.59 | rozie | moes: probably bad RAM |
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| 20:00.41 | moes | rozie nope I have 2 gb ram and am running other distro's |
| 20:00.49 | rozie | moes: how do you exactly write on usb and check md5? |
| 20:01.08 | ken055 | moes: I gave a look at the dd command. Did you use the "conv" parameter ? |
| 20:01.13 | rozie | setuid: well... |
| 20:01.43 | rozie | wajig search linux-headers | grep 2.6.39 -c |
| 20:01.46 | rozie | 6 |
| 20:02.01 | rozie | backports |
| 20:02.12 | moes | rozie, to the usb used dd if<file> of=<device> bs=512: sync |
| 20:02.45 | rozie | moes: and device is /dev/sdc for example? |
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| 20:02.58 | rozie | and then you check md5sum /dev/sdc? |
| 20:03.33 | rozie | so, if /dev/sdc is slightly bigger than image (and probably it is)... ;) |
| 20:03.57 | moes | ken055, For the md5 I used dd if=.dev/cdrom | head -c 'stat --format=%s filenam.iso | md5sum |
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| 20:05.10 | moes | rozie yes the usb is 1 gb in size and the cd was 770 |
| 20:05.32 | rozie | so md5sum has to be different |
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| 20:07.01 | rozie | you can make image from usb to hdd. exactly the same size as original file (bs=1 count=<number of bytes>. then compare md5 of this image and downloaded file |
| 20:07.05 | moes | rozie last eight number of md5sum from cd and usb ecf8427e |
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| 20:08.02 | acu | I moved a hard disk (with Debian Squeeze) from one computer to another - the ethernet card is different manufacturer and so is the vga - it seem that vga got a default - but the ethernet does not come properly - what would reset - research for existing hardware ? |
| 20:08.41 | rozie | acu: check dmesg |
| 20:09.01 | rozie | probably you just need to install firmware for new card |
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| 20:09.16 | dvs | !70-persistent-net |
| 20:09.34 | jelly-home | just "70" |
| 20:09.44 | dvs | !70 |
| 20:09.44 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Squeeze, Lenny) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 20:09.49 | dvs | oooh neat! |
| 20:09.57 | dvs | thx |
| 20:10.12 | nyu | Thank you very much, I got PPPoE working with a few packages :) Now network works |
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| 20:15.12 | simonlnu | i rm'ed mine, thinking it was regenerated. wondering why my nics kept switching sides, then i checked, and saw it still hadn't been regenerated. so i made one, and all is well. |
| 20:15.23 | ken055 | moes, I am not experienced enough to tell more |
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| 20:16.09 | tripleZ- | i can stay online on irssi and make a upgrade for wheezy to sid ? |
| 20:16.48 | simonlnu | tripleZ-: except for the kernel yes. you can do /upgrade for irssi. also, wheezy->sid *is not* an upgrade |
| 20:18.58 | ken055 | Please, I try to run virt-manager on Debian 6.03 and I get an error message when I start it : "unable to open a connection to the libvirt management daemon. Libvirt URI is qemu:///system Verify that The 'libvirtd' daemon has been started". What did I miss ? I installed that from the official repos. |
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| 20:20.20 | tripleZ- | simonlnu: is not a upgrade, is a dist-upgrade, yes ? i think change my sourcelist and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 20:21.34 | simonlnu | tripleZ-: no, not what you do, calling it an upgrade is misleading |
| 20:21.42 | simonlnu | !sid upgrade |
| 20:21.42 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. See also <sid upgrade test>. |
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| 20:23.14 | tripleZ- | simonlnu: ok sid is not a upgrade |
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| 20:23.44 | simonlnu | tripleZ-: :). now you're getting it |
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| 20:25.15 | ken055 | is virt-manager a good application ? Could it only be an upgrade ? (a bad one). Perhaps I should ask to the Triple NI Knights :o) |
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| 20:28.44 | simonlnu | ,info virt-manager |
| 20:28.46 | judd | Package virt-manager (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: desktop application for managing virtual machines. Version: 0.8.4-8; Size: 1506.5k; Installed: 5908k; Homepage: http://virt-manager.et.redhat.com/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/virt-manager |
| 20:29.03 | simonlnu | !TIAS |
| 20:29.03 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 20:29.33 | ken055 | tks :) |
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| 20:37.16 | simonlnu | np ken055 |
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| 20:47.39 | setuid | When I install gcc-4.3, it doesn't create a symlink in /usr/bin. How do I fix that? |
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| 20:47.55 | setuid | Same with g++ and cpp |
| 20:48.05 | setuid | apt-get --reinstall install doesn't fix it either |
| 20:48.16 | leonie | ln -s? :X |
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| 20:48.31 | setuid | Sure, I could do that, but obviously the package is being told NOT to, but why? |
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| 20:48.39 | setuid | update-alternateives --auto gcc-4.3 doesn't help |
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| 20:50.06 | ken055 | I read the info page, read the virt-manager.org web site... Well... no specific response but the information that libvirt is needed. I suppose virt-manager depends on libvirt so it should be installed, automatically. |
| 20:50.24 | ken055 | How am I able to see if it's the case ? |
| 20:50.42 | ken055 | where to search for it |
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| 20:52.15 | moes | rozie, Reloaded the flash drive using bs=1 as you suggested ...md5sums are still different from the download sums..The usb ones on the prior run are the same. |
| 20:52.58 | ken055 | moes : have you got an .ISO file on the usb key ? |
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| 20:54.18 | ken055 | it souldn't be the case I suppose. Then you can't compare the original .iso file with the result on the key, as far as I understand. The dd command wouldn't be a simple copy command in that hypothesis |
| 20:54.37 | moes | ken055, Yes the program will load to the login prompt..user@debian:~$..but root or any other login will open it..command not found |
| 20:55.39 | moes | ken055, The cd-r/rw disc act the same way |
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| 20:56.21 | ken055 | moes: I don't understand. I speak about seeing files on the key. You may read it from a valid OS |
| 20:57.15 | moes | ken055, files on the flash drive and cd and download are alike |
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| 20:57.46 | ken055 | then you have just an ISO file on the key ? |
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| 20:59.23 | simonlnu | ken055: dpkg -l packagename (argument to -l can be specified several times, space separated) |
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| 21:00.14 | microcluster | how to bootup very fast debian? |
| 21:00.43 | setuid | microcluster, uhm... power it on? |
| 21:00.49 | technologov | buy SSD or HHD (Hybrid Hard Drive) |
| 21:01.03 | setuid | boot it from flash, not ssd |
| 21:01.05 | microcluster | setuid, yes |
| 21:01.18 | technologov | standards flash are slower than HDD |
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| 21:01.37 | microcluster | setuid, debian is installed on notebook |
| 21:01.42 | setuid | technologov, Nope, access time is far superior, no rotating parts, no arms, no heat |
| 21:02.02 | ken055 | simoninu: tks I tried "dpkg -l libvirt" but no package under that name. I'll look further in that direction. |
| 21:02.05 | technologov | this is all theory -- in practise perf sucks hard |
| 21:02.18 | microcluster | setuid, how can,for example, mac so fast? |
| 21:02.20 | technologov | flash = 10 MBp/s, slow HDD = 70 MB/s |
| 21:02.39 | technologov | SSD = 500 MB/s |
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| 21:02.53 | technologov | HHD = 400 MB/s |
| 21:03.10 | moes | KenWhy are there exe files |
| 21:03.12 | setuid | I don't know what kind of flash you're talking about, unless you're booting it over a serial link, 10MB/s is horribly slow. |
| 21:03.20 | setuid | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.27 | technologov | stnadard flash is 10 MB/s only. |
| 21:03.29 | setuid | Hard-wired, I'm pushing 300-600MB/c. |
| 21:03.45 | technologov | maybe u have some special flash, I dunno. |
| 21:03.51 | setuid | shrug, Debian boots to desktop in ~9 seconds from cold boot using flash on embedded hardware |
| 21:03.52 | moes | ken055, Why are there exe files in both directory |
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| 21:04.14 | Worf | well, old and small usb sticks are not very fast indeed, but the point here actually is: what is the seek time? how many operations per time do you get? |
| 21:04.20 | draget | Where would I find fuse header file? |
| 21:04.28 | draget | To compile something that uses fuse |
| 21:04.42 | draget | Did not find any package called libfuse-dev or something like this |
| 21:04.43 | nyu | How can I replace grub with Syslinux? |
| 21:04.52 | Dulak | technologov: that 10 MB/s is the original standard, from like 10 years ago... Things have changed quite a bit since then. |
| 21:05.05 | UniTe | How can i login to a users account without needing the password?? |
| 21:05.06 | ken055 | moes: what exe files ? there are no .exe files with a GNU/Linux OS |
| 21:05.07 | microcluster | setuid, but if you install the distro on hd is different |
| 21:05.29 | draget | Oh sorry, there is libfuse-dev |
| 21:06.14 | technologov | Dulak, original standard is 1MB/s (USB1-flash) -- I have USB2 flash here which is 10 MB/s. |
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| 21:06.38 | technologov | so standard flash are _much_ slower than any HDD |
| 21:06.52 | moes | ken055, setup.exe and setup standalone .exe linux cannot run exe files..they came with the download |
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| 21:07.20 | ken055 | moes: I'm very surprised !! |
| 21:07.25 | nyu | UniTe: sudo su - user |
| 21:07.51 | UniTe | nyu: thanks |
| 21:07.52 | nyu | Assuming that you're root or allowed to use sudoy |
| 21:07.58 | UniTe | yes :) |
| 21:08.22 | nyu | -y |
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| 21:09.38 | UniTe | nyu: ive done that.. how do i download a file for user (without root) that requires root access?? |
| 21:09.49 | ken055 | moes : such files are not standard files for installing Debian... |
| 21:10.04 | ken055 | you should have downloaded a .iso file |
| 21:11.06 | nyu | How can I replace grub with Syslinux? |
| 21:11.16 | SPF | wput example wput -u FILE ftp://user:pass@host/pathinhomedir How can I save outside the home directory? |
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| 21:11.50 | UniTe | Whats that program or command u use to like make sure irssi runs even when u drop the connection |
| 21:12.04 | moes | ken055, I downloaded ..debian-live-6.0.3-i386-standard.iso from the debian.org website |
| 21:12.08 | nyu | screen |
| 21:12.17 | nyu | $ screen irssi |
| 21:12.40 | UniTe | nyu: thanks lol sorry ;p |
| 21:12.47 | ken055 | moes: thus, you have no .exe files. You just have the .iso file. I don't understand your previous statements |
| 21:13.57 | moes | ken055, I am going to delete everything and start over !!! In the iso file there are the two exe files plus all the linux files |
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| 21:15.30 | ken055 | moes: well... I hope SOMEBODY will help you further. I am very surprised you founded those .exe files in the "debian-live-6.0.3-i386-standard.iso" from the debian.org website |
| 21:16.08 | moes | ken055, Thanks very much for the help!!!! |
| 21:16.08 | ken055 | found* |
| 21:16.23 | technologov | debian provides some *.exe to start setup on Windows |
| 21:16.37 | ompaul | nyu for usb or something else? |
| 21:16.39 | ken055 | moes: I'm not a gurr, far from that... Tks technologov |
| 21:16.43 | ken055 | guru* |
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| 21:18.08 | technologov | moes, the *.exe is an addon to the debian-installer for Windows |
| 21:18.41 | ompaul | windows something much better removed |
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| 21:19.20 | technologov | ompaul, depends on users needs.. what is the user is a gamer ? |
| 21:19.24 | queso | Should a newly attached external USB drive automatically mount? |
| 21:19.42 | setuid | queso, If it's repaired and nautilus or udev is configured to mount it, yes |
| 21:19.45 | technologov | There are no quality Open-Source games spotted in the wild. |
| 21:19.58 | setuid | ..assuming its hardware that Linux recognizes |
| 21:20.00 | setuid | technologov, Have you asked your gaming vendors to start supporting Linux? |
| 21:20.07 | technologov | TuxRacer is the best one can hope for in OSS world |
| 21:20.20 | queso | setuid: If it's "repaired"? |
| 21:20.20 | ken055 | moes: with md5sum you may compare two files that are supposed to be identical. On the USB drive, once you have put the content in it (even with the "dd" command - but I don't master it) you should have several files I thinKk. Thus I don't understand you may compare md5sum then. For me, there should be no ISO file on the usb drive. |
| 21:20.21 | draget | portal2 runs nice on wine =) |
| 21:20.23 | ompaul | technologov: I stand by my ideals :) frankly supporting an organisation which wants to "tax you for using a computing device" is asking for trouble anyway this is also for conversation on #debian-offtopic |
| 21:20.30 | draget | humble bundle games are all for linux, too |
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| 21:20.33 | setuid | queso, It won't auto-moount the drive, if the drive has a failed, corrupt or in-need-of-repairing filesystem |
| 21:20.51 | technologov | setuid, how can I ask for ? I have tried to develop Linux software myself: develop is easy, but testing is a nightmare. |
| 21:21.24 | technologov | setuid, testing software on 30 different versions is impossible for a third-party vendor, really. |
| 21:21.39 | setuid | technologov, Write emails to the companies that make the games you like on Windows, and ask them to start porting those games to Linux |
| 21:21.47 | setuid | 30 different versions of what? |
| 21:21.48 | valdyn | oddly enough it seems quite possible for 3rd party non-profits |
| 21:21.48 | queso | setuid: right, okay, thanks. |
| 21:21.58 | simonlnu | technologov: that's why you automate it |
| 21:22.03 | setuid | There's not that many versions to test on... glibc + gcc ABIs + some minor desktop variants. Done. |
| 21:22.09 | valdyn | or opera developers |
| 21:22.12 | technologov | setuid, I say: testing on Linux is impossible. They can port the games, but they will NOT work, due to lack of standards. |
| 21:22.21 | setuid | Look at Skype and VMware and similar projects, they don't test on every distro, nor do they have to |
| 21:22.27 | simonlnu | it's not impossible |
| 21:22.28 | technologov | And no - you can't automate testing -- mayb 20%, but not 100% |
| 21:22.33 | queso | How do I determine the size of partitions on an unmounted drive? |
| 21:22.36 | setuid | technologov, There are standards, there isn't that much variance |
| 21:22.42 | simonlnu | i call bs on that |
| 21:22.47 | joltcan | queso: cfdisk /dev/sdX |
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| 21:22.52 | technologov | setuid, y, and I had skype problems on old SUSE 10.3, altough it was supported |
| 21:22.53 | setuid | "Failed to find suitable ramdisk generation tool for kernel version" |
| 21:22.54 | simonlnu | (not being able to test more than 20%) |
| 21:22.56 | setuid | How do I fix this? |
| 21:23.01 | nyu | I ask third time, HOW do I replace grub with Syslinux? |
| 21:23.09 | valdyn | nyu: you don't |
| 21:23.23 | ompaul | queso: work it out after you do fdisk -l |
| 21:23.41 | setuid | nyu, wait and be patient for someone to respond |
| 21:23.53 | nyu | valdyn: That isn't an answer. |
| 21:24.02 | ompaul | queso: also remember when you choose a file system it's own records for what is where will take up space also |
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| 21:24.05 | technologov | in short: vendors will _NOT_ target 20 different versions of Linux, due to astronomical costs... I do OSS, and even being OSS project I can't support that many. |
| 21:24.05 | l_r | hello |
| 21:24.19 | l_r | how much space a base debian 6 + kde require? |
| 21:24.21 | nyu | There MUST be a way to replace grub with Syslinux in MBR... |
| 21:24.26 | queso | joltcan, ompaul: thanks |
| 21:24.33 | l_r | more or less |
| 21:24.34 | technologov | (in OSS -- distro's package maintainers can help, but with 3rd party software, no one helps) |
| 21:24.38 | setuid | technologov, You're still stuck on that |
| 21:24.40 | UniTe | nyu: How do i rehash a process without actually letting it die? |
| 21:24.41 | ompaul | nyu you could at least read the channel when you ask questions, |
| 21:24.47 | setuid | technologov, there aren't 20 different versions of Linux to test on |
| 21:24.50 | draget | How do I uninstall a package and all configs etc. including no longer needed deps it pulled? |
| 21:24.57 | setuid | test on glibc x and y, and gcc 3, 4 and 5. Done. |
| 21:25.15 | nyu | ompaul: FYI, my client doesn't support highlights. |
| 21:25.20 | technologov | setuid, no ? Look for my VirtualBox tests: https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=25735 |
| 21:25.25 | nyu | UniTe: ? |
| 21:25.46 | setuid | technologov, you're completely missing the point |
| 21:25.46 | technologov | setuid, 40 is only the "most popular, most major" versions |
| 21:25.48 | setuid | completely |
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| 21:25.58 | UniTe | nyu: like.. i want to rehash a process i have running, but i down want to have to kill it then restart it.. |
| 21:26.00 | setuid | technologov, No, wrong, you don't need to test on every flavor of Linux. Get off that mindset. |
| 21:26.23 | np_complete | hi there, I need to backport gcc 4.7 to squeeze, has anyone done this ever? |
| 21:26.29 | valdyn | technologov: theres plenty examples where companies get this right |
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| 21:26.35 | nyu | UniTe: If it's a daemon, try SIGHUPping it |
| 21:26.49 | setuid | technologov, you're not compiling games on Linux, you're running static (or in some cases, shared) binariees |
| 21:26.57 | setuid | testing is completely different in those scenarios |
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| 21:27.53 | technologov | setuid, yes you do.. I develop GNS3 Open-Source... on RHEL6 we have some strange problems (python or qt related, not sure), on Archlinux we don't work because they changed python to python3, on FreeBSD we don't work because they have some stupid python bugs, on openSUSE 11.4 we have problem with screenshots due to Qt4.7.1 bugs, etc etc... |
| 21:28.22 | technologov | In short: you _have_ to test on each and _every_ distro. LSB doesn't help, and I actually did read the specs. |
| 21:28.29 | technologov | LSB is nice, but not enough. |
| 21:28.40 | setuid | technologov, Again, missing the point. I'm not going to measure penises here but I've been developing on Linux for 15 years, and my code is in every Linux distro out there today. You don't need to test against every flavor of Linux. |
| 21:28.41 | setuid | Period. |
| 21:28.57 | setuid | If you WANT to test on every flavor, good luck, but vendors have a support requirement and resource constraints. |
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| 21:29.10 | technologov | setuid, but I say again: unless you test it -- it is broken. |
| 21:29.12 | setuid | So, they limit their scope, test on their supported platforms, and let users report bugs in other places. |
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| 21:29.21 | nyu | I want to replace grub with Syslinux in MBR, not an USB stick nor anything like that. |
| 21:29.23 | technologov | Same for VirtualBox, that I contribute to. |
| 21:29.24 | setuid | technologov, No, that's a broken mindset. |
| 21:29.37 | setuid | I can test some Linux code on FreeBSD, and it will fail. Is the Linux code broken? No. |
| 21:29.49 | nyu | syslinux(1) can only install Syslinux on FAT. |
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| 21:29.58 | simonlnu | of course not |
| 21:30.08 | simonlnu | would be foolish to think otherwise |
| 21:30.17 | technologov | setuid, read the problems I had in GNS3 (which is Open-Source) -- mind you, with OSS we get support from community, which would lack if I were developing proprietary software for Linux... |
| 21:30.33 | setuid | As a vendor, you test on the platforms and operating systems you support. Other platforms or OS revisions outside of that defined scope, are -unsupported-, not broken. |
| 21:30.48 | np_complete | how to install gcc 4.7 in squeeze? |
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| 21:30.53 | bimbim | mplayer: relocation error: mplayer: symbol ff_codec_wav_tags, version LIBAVFORMAT_53 not defined in file libavformat.so.53 with link time reference |
| 21:30.55 | setuid | Again, wrong. You don't lack support from the community if you develop proprietary software. |
| 21:30.56 | technologov | developing proprietary software "for Linux" is impossible -- maybe you can target RHEL, maybe Debian-stable, but that's all. |
| 21:31.03 | simonlnu | np_complete: seriously? why? |
| 21:31.14 | bimbim | no sound in mplayer!!! |
| 21:31.16 | simonlnu | technologov: what? |
| 21:31.18 | setuid | Look at VMware for one great example. HUGE amount of OSS and community support, 100% proprietary, runs on lots of platforms, very few are officially tested. |
| 21:31.29 | setuid | technologov, You live in a cave. |
| 21:31.36 | np_complete | simonlnu, I am a C++ extremme programmer. |
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| 21:31.41 | technologov | setuid, VMware is the only *exception* in town, not the rule. |
| 21:31.45 | np_complete | always using last language capabilities... |
| 21:31.58 | technologov | setuid, VMware have *HUGE* QA team. |
| 21:32.00 | setuid | technologov, One of hundreds of "exceptions" perhaps, not the only one |
| 21:32.06 | np_complete | but I don't want a fill experimental debian inst. |
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| 21:32.26 | simonlnu | np_complete: *nods*. checked backports? i don't even know if it's in experimental even. moment |
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| 21:33.03 | simonlnu | judd versions g++-4.7 |
| 21:33.04 | judd | Package: g++-4.7 on i386 -- experimental: 4.7-20120112-1 |
| 21:33.04 | technologov | setuid, only one. Look at VirtualBox -- is more buggy than VMware, despite community helps to test on zillions of Linux versions. Even with community help, we can't achieve good results. Look at GNS3. Problems in lots of cases. |
| 21:33.24 | technologov | VMware is the *only* exception, really. |
| 21:33.30 | technologov | Due to huge QA team they have |
| 21:33.37 | simonlnu | np_complete: ^^^ you can do /msg dpkg ssb in here for how to get that on squeeze, if it's not in backports |
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| 21:34.15 | simonlnu | !bdo |
| 21:34.15 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <bdo key> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
| 21:34.22 | simonlnu | np_complete: ^^^ |
| 21:34.27 | np_complete | sounds like a plan |
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| 21:35.01 | panic_at_school | hi |
| 21:35.07 | Na_Klar | Here is my iptables config from my web-server: http://codepad.org/fDYUe1BS . Could someone look over it and give me some feedback if if setup something really stupid in there? |
| 21:35.12 | technologov | setuid, if you were actually developing Linux software (complex GUI, not small CLI tool), you would understand me... (doesn't matter if proprietary or not). |
| 21:35.28 | panic_at_school | I have a weird problem under Debian - came to ask for suggestions |
| 21:35.29 | simonlnu | technologov: what does the interface matter? |
| 21:35.40 | technologov | I _do_ develop Linux software, so I know the problem of testing vs 20+ versions |
| 21:35.41 | simonlnu | er, rather why would |
| 21:35.41 | np_complete | You have searched for packages that names contain gcc-4.7 in suite(s) squeeze-backports, all sections, and all architectures. |
| 21:35.41 | np_complete | Sorry, your search gave no results |
| 21:36.12 | panic_at_school | I have installed debian server on VirtualBox and today mysqld stoped starting on system boot |
| 21:36.23 | technologov | simonlnu, in GUI there are more bugs... CLI is more... standard. (even there you hit problems) |
| 21:36.27 | simonlnu | np_complete: looks like a "simple sid backport" for you. though point at experimental, of course instead |
| 21:36.27 | panic_at_school | I see mysql loading faild message |
| 21:36.36 | panic_at_school | but logs are empty |
| 21:36.51 | panic_at_school | and I can do service mysqld start after login (it works) |
| 21:36.59 | setuid | technologov, You're very close-minded and you live in a cave. The world is not as black-and-white as you make it out to be. |
| 21:37.00 | simonlnu | sighs |
| 21:37.18 | panic_at_school | what is going on :|? |
| 21:37.38 | simonlnu | panic_at_school: enable mysql slow log (as they call it) and see what happens |
| 21:37.39 | np_complete | ok, I got some reults, but how to install it? |
| 21:37.54 | technologov | setuid, I speak from my real-world experience as a developer of upstream OSS for Linux (GNS3 project), and as a community tester of VirtualBox. Unless you test it -- it is _broken_. |
| 21:37.58 | simonlnu | !tell np_complete -about ssb |
| 21:38.03 | bimbim | mplayer: relocation error: mplayer: symbol ff_codec_wav_tags, version LIBAVFORMAT_53 not defined in file libavformat.so.53 with link time reference |
| 21:38.09 | panic_at_school | simonlnu - ok - i'll check config files :) |
| 21:38.16 | technologov | setuid, I had *too* much trouble otherwise. |
| 21:38.17 | Na_Klar | panic_at_school: maybe you start-up mysql on boot with some weird parameters, which let it fail. Or maybe a false config file is loaded on boot .. |
| 21:38.18 | valdyn | bimbim: what does "apt-get -f install" give? |
| 21:38.18 | bimbim | time for reportbug??? |
| 21:38.39 | technologov | There is no such thing "code once, run everywhere". Even in python. |
| 21:38.42 | bimbim | valdyn: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 46 not upgraded. |
| 21:38.47 | setuid | technologov, I speak as an OSS developer and a vice president at a very large bank, with 15+ years of experience supporting thousands of OSS packages and dozens of supported platforms across over 300k users. |
| 21:38.48 | valdyn | bimbim: i think youre mixing dmm with regular debian |
| 21:38.53 | setuid | So yes, I see your point, but it's wrong. |
| 21:38.56 | valdyn | bimbim: so *upgrade* |
| 21:38.56 | panic_at_school | Na_Klar: but I didn't chnage anything and I have been working for about 4 restarts |
| 21:39.15 | bimbim | valdyn: I think that I can do ./soft-update.sh |
| 21:39.17 | valdyn | bimbim: actually, show is the output for "apt-get -s dist-upgrade" |
| 21:39.24 | Na_Klar | panic_at_school: If so, then it is something else ... |
| 21:39.30 | valdyn | bimbim: i dont know that script |
| 21:39.35 | setuid | You're stuck on this "unless you test it, it is broken" mantra, and that's just flat-out wrong, for reasons I've already explained. |
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| 21:39.48 | bimbim | valdyn: hang a moment |
| 21:40.10 | np_complete | I am lost I need gcc 4.7 in squeeze so desperately... |
| 21:40.18 | technologov | setuid, The bugs / problems are many. The software just "does NOT work", unless patches specifically for each and every 2nd distro. |
| 21:40.19 | np_complete | I am sold out, totally lost... |
| 21:40.21 | valdyn | judd: versions gcc-4.7 |
| 21:40.22 | judd | Package: gcc-4.7 on i386 -- experimental: 4.7-20120112-1 |
| 21:40.30 | setuid | testing is worthwhile, useful, but futile if you want to get any use of out your support resources. Unless you're infinitely funded and have a QA team in the hundreds of developers, you're never going to get a full spread across all 200+ Linux distributions and variants of the same (lenny, sid, etc.) |
| 21:40.32 | valdyn | np_complete: backport it |
| 21:40.33 | simonlnu | np_complete: dude, i told you how to get it |
| 21:40.46 | simonlnu | you'll need to build it yourself |
| 21:40.47 | np_complete | got no idea how, what did u say? |
| 21:40.48 | technologov | and I only speak about top distros, not all distros. |
| 21:40.53 | setuid | technologov, No, wrong again. Properly-coded software, written to standards, does not need "patches on every 2nd distro" |
| 21:40.53 | panic_at_school | ok - i got it - I have enabled binding adress before problems begun |
| 21:41.06 | panic_at_school | and as I see, mysql can't bind default port |
| 21:41.08 | setuid | technologov, seriously, look at Skype, Nvidia, VMware and hundreds of others. |
| 21:41.16 | technologov | setuid, yes it does. Read my problems at GNS3. |
| 21:41.17 | bimbim | wow, wesnoth updates |
| 21:41.23 | technologov | Spyke had problems on old SUSE |
| 21:41.28 | np_complete | how to backport? bild it and its dependencies? hw to get it? I've never done that |
| 21:41.28 | setuid | GNS3 may be poorly written, so they have issues. Shrug. |
| 21:41.43 | setuid | You mean old SuSE had problems with Skype, not the reverse. |
| 21:41.45 | technologov | NVIDIA have problems on new SUSE -- I had kwin-3D crashes on SUSE 12.1 |
| 21:41.52 | setuid | Distros tend to be the moving target, not the vendor software |
| 21:41.56 | valdyn | technologov: you telling us that something had a problem somewhere is anecdotal evidence and counts for nothing and happens on any OS |
| 21:42.01 | setuid | Again, not a vendor problem |
| 21:42.06 | technologov | VMware is the only exception, that actually runs. |
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| 21:42.18 | bimbim | vmware is for x86 only |
| 21:42.19 | simonlnu | np_complete: /msg dpkg nmg |
| 21:42.32 | setuid | I'm glad I don't live in that world |
| 21:42.37 | panic_at_school | how can I enable logs for mysql? |
| 21:42.48 | np_complete | ok I get it |
| 21:42.54 | np_complete | wish me luck, and thanks |
| 21:43.00 | simonlnu | panic_at_school: open my.cnf and search for log |
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| 21:43.07 | simonlnu | np_complete: have fun too :) |
| 21:43.15 | np_complete | absolutely! |
| 21:43.30 | np_complete | I love Debian! and I love you all! |
| 21:43.36 | simonlnu | aaw |
| 21:43.44 | bimbim | shall I return to self-bulding mplayer? |
| 21:43.44 | technologov | VMware runs due to their QA testing policy -- which is super-strict. |
| 21:44.03 | bimbim | technologov: and it is for x86 (any bit-wideness) only |
| 21:44.20 | bimbim | there was MOL, but it is now broken |
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| 21:44.23 | panic_at_school | simonlnu: found, thanks, restarting |
| 21:44.29 | simonlnu | technologov: debain also has a strong qa policy. your point? |
| 21:44.33 | simonlnu | debian* |
| 21:44.35 | technologov | Just like The Debian policy is a differentiating policy for Debian, that makes our software stable, VMware has own QA policy, that makes VMware stable. |
| 21:44.48 | shicy | is there any maintainer from Croatia? i'd like to ask few questions :) |
| 21:44.51 | bimbim | debian does support 11 archs, but only x86 is very well supported |
| 21:45.12 | jhutchins_wk | bimbim: THat's more a reflection of the linux world in general than Debian. |
| 21:45.15 | bimbim | (x86 means x86_16, x86_32, x86_64, etc.) |
| 21:45.25 | bimbim | jhutchins_wk: yeah |
| 21:45.31 | setuid | Are we still arguing about this? |
| 21:45.37 | setuid | Seriously, move past it. |
| 21:45.41 | setuid | Your assertions are flawed. |
| 21:45.46 | setuid | Your experience is vastly limited. |
| 21:45.58 | technologov | My point is that Software for Linux (Free or not) needs to be tested against every Linux/BSD distro to work on it. Otherwise it fails. |
| 21:45.58 | simonlnu | bimbim: best supported, x86, amd64, arm, ppc, more or less in that order. the rest are less well supported. but all those 11 are supported officially. |
| 21:46.11 | simonlnu | w.t.f. |
| 21:46.18 | valdyn | technologov: ok, we got your point, tell us something new or please stop this |
| 21:46.19 | technologov | my exp. comes from the real world. |
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| 21:46.24 | setuid | technologov, wow, that's just so blatently flawed |
| 21:46.26 | bimbim | simonlnu: I don't have sound in ren'py games |
| 21:46.30 | simonlnu | sighs |
| 21:46.32 | serega_by | Hi all |
| 21:46.39 | panic_at_school | I have enabled logs, but there are no errors after restart |
| 21:46.40 | simonlnu | bimbim: that's likely an alsa issue |
| 21:46.46 | valdyn | bimbim: are you going to show what I asked for? |
| 21:46.50 | panic_at_school | mysql still don't want start at boot |
| 21:46.55 | setuid | Let me try to reword that for you: "Software for Linux (Free or not) needs to be tested on your target platform in order to be supported. If it is not tested, you are on your own to support it." |
| 21:46.59 | bimbim | simonlnu: alsa? |
| 21:47.03 | bimbim | nope |
| 21:47.09 | serega_by | How i can chage desktop wallpaper in terminal in debian (xfce4)? |
| 21:47.10 | ompaul | !offtopic |
| 21:47.10 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 21:47.19 | simonlnu | panic_at_school: you mentioned something abou binding to a port |
| 21:47.35 | jhutchins_wk | technologov: You might be surprized at the real world experience of some of the people in here. |
| 21:47.55 | panic_at_school | simonlnu: yes, I enabled remote loging via default port, and I thought it could be a problem |
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| 21:48.16 | bimbim | setuid: I want to help you; do you want my help? |
| 21:48.17 | simonlnu | seriously. and technologov, take it to offtopic, please. s/n ratio is too high |
| 21:48.30 | serega_by | do you know , how make it? |
| 21:48.32 | technologov | ok |
| 21:48.46 | Mortvert | s/n ratio? |
| 21:48.54 | ompaul | signal to noise |
| 21:48.56 | simonlnu | signal to noise ratio |
| 21:49.00 | setuid | bimbim, help me with what? |
| 21:49.10 | setuid | just blew up his Debian server, you want to help me fix it? |
| 21:49.35 | simonlnu | panic_at_school: enabled remote logging, where in the mysqld? |
| 21:49.37 | bimbim | setuid: you said -- Software for Linux (Free or not) needs to be tested on your target platform in order to be supported. If it is not tested, you are on your own to support it. |
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| 21:49.56 | panic_at_school | yes |
| 21:50.04 | panic_at_school | simonlnu: yes, via privileges |
| 21:50.11 | jhutchins_wk | bimbim: That's really a discussion for #debian-offtopic, especially if people have support questions. |
| 21:50.15 | ompaul | bimbim: that subject is offtopic and for #debian-offtopic if you feel the need to talk about it more |
| 21:50.27 | bimbim | what? |
| 21:50.37 | bimbim | I came here with problem |
| 21:50.47 | panic_at_school | simonlnu: I changed two things in a system - I configured remote access to mysql and I configured nfs |
| 21:50.50 | bimbim | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 21:51.01 | jhutchins_wk | bimbim: Release? |
| 21:51.14 | bimbim | jhutchins_wk: wheezy/sid |
| 21:51.25 | simonlnu | panic_at_school: general_log_file = /var/log/mysql/mysql.log\ngeneral_log = 1 (\n means newline) << that's what i meant |
| 21:51.32 | ompaul | bimbim: wheezy or sid not both |
| 21:51.49 | valdyn | bimbim: ok, mplayer still broken right? show the outputs for "apt-cache policy mplayer" and "apt-cache policy <libavformat>" where i dont know the actual package name, but you can look that one up using dpkg -S |
| 21:51.52 | bimbim | ompaul: okay, sid |
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| 21:52.16 | bimbim | let me install dpaste |
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| 21:52.18 | simonlnu | jhutchins_wk: when people say "wheezy/sid" they're quoting /etc/debian_version |
| 21:52.19 | panic_at_school | smonlnu - I did it - but there is only information about that mysql loaded config file - nothing more |
| 21:52.27 | SPF | talexb, themill: I found the problem, aparently wput has a differend syntax than scp and cp. The files were saved in /export/home/user/export/home/user :S |
| 21:52.34 | bimbim | Reading state information... Done |
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| 21:52.38 | bimbim | E: Unable to locate package dpaste :((((((((((((((9 |
| 21:52.40 | simonlnu | panic_at_school: and it's not checking tables, etc in the log? |
| 21:52.42 | valdyn | bimbim: theres no wheezy/sid. there's wheezy and sid, its different |
| 21:52.42 | jhutchins_wk | ompaul: It says <testingname>/sid in the relase file. |
| 21:52.46 | panic_at_school | no |
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| 21:53.01 | simonlnu | odd |
| 21:53.07 | rillian | anyone know what options one can pass to efifb? |
| 21:53.11 | bimbim | valdyn: I made a patch for sysinfo |
| 21:53.14 | jhutchins_wk | bimbim: Your sources are all wheezy, right? |
| 21:53.21 | bimbim | and there is was called |wheezy/sid" |
| 21:53.39 | bimbim | jhutchins_wk: mostly experimetal |
| 21:53.44 | rillian | I'm trying to follow http://dentifrice.poivron.org/laptops/macbookpro8,2/ to install on a (slightly older) macbookpro, and the i915 patch doesn't seem to give me proper video |
| 21:53.53 | ompaul | jhutchins_wk: aye, worried about repos being mixed (for obvious reasons) |
| 21:53.59 | jhutchins_wk | bimbim: Experiment failed. |
| 21:54.01 | valdyn | bimbim: youre making it very hard to help you |
| 21:54.06 | rillian | I either get corrupt output with no options, or a black screen with the i915 options |
| 21:54.09 | valdyn | bimbim: so I'm off. |
| 21:54.21 | jhutchins_wk | ompaul: Pretty much have to mix repos if you're running exp. |
| 21:54.23 | rillian | grub and the ubuntu alternate installer display fine in text mode |
| 21:54.26 | bimbim | valdyn: you can't help me |
| 21:54.37 | bimbim | valdyn: x86 guys never can help me |
| 21:54.43 | panic_at_school | simonlnu: on bootup -> Starting MySQL database server: mysqld.................................. failed |
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| 21:54.54 | panic_at_school | simonlnu: in logs nothing but config info |
| 21:55.01 | simonlnu | panic_at_school: that's in syslog? syslog should tell you why |
| 21:55.02 | jhutchins_wk | bimbim: This channel isn't intended for that kind of support, it's meant for actual users. |
| 21:55.16 | jhutchins_wk | panic_at_school: Did it use to work? |
| 21:55.16 | panic_at_school | something is in BINARY config but i dunno how to read it :D |
| 21:55.16 | rillian | this is an efi boot on the new macs where bios doesn't work any more |
| 21:55.21 | bimbim | jhutchins_wk: I'm debian user |
| 21:55.30 | nsadmin | there are a hell of a lot of broken packages in experimental |
| 21:56.12 | valdyn | bimbim: i dont think arch has anything to do with mixing wrong package versions where dependencies do not enforce correct package versions, which is regularily the case |
| 21:56.20 | nsadmin | to a degree, that's what experimental is for |
| 21:56.25 | valdyn | bimbim: so show us that you're not doing that, then it might be an arch issue |
| 21:56.38 | panic_at_school | jhutchins_wk: mysql have been working on system start before I have set remote access - now I can only run mysql via service mysql start |
| 21:56.59 | bimbim | valdyn: expermimentl was a joke; here's my sources.list: |
| 21:57.02 | jhutchins_wk | panic_at_school: That gives no error, but it errors on startup? This is squeeze? |
| 21:57.12 | ompaul | bimbim: please pastebin /var/log/dpkg.log and /etc/var/sources.list in paste.debian.net thanks |
| 21:57.34 | jhutchins_wk | /etc/apt/sources.list maybe? |
| 21:57.45 | ompaul | that too :-/ |
| 21:57.48 | nsadmin | you can install and use pastebinit if you want |
| 21:58.02 | panic_at_school | jhutchins_wk: - no mysql.log errors but I found something in syslog now |
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| 21:58.15 | bimbim | http://pastebin.com/q1VH5uXa |
| 21:58.38 | jhutchins_wk | panic_at_school: The first thing to check would be to undo whatever you did to grant remote access. |
| 21:58.52 | jhutchins_wk | panic_at_school: You're talking about remote access to the database, right? |
| 21:59.08 | panic_at_school | yes |
| 21:59.15 | technologov | You know how can I scientifically *prove* my point ? Look at my test results here: |
| 21:59.15 | technologov | https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=25735 |
| 21:59.16 | bimbim | whre's dpaste? |
| 21:59.22 | panic_at_school | mysql says in syslogs - there are syntax errors somewhere |
| 21:59.26 | nsadmin | pastebinit |
| 21:59.33 | panic_at_school | have to copy this file - wait |
| 21:59.48 | jhutchins_wk | bimbim: You're mixing sid and testing, that's your problem. Clean install, pick one. |
| 21:59.51 | bimbim | -su: pastebinit: command not found |
| 21:59.56 | technologov | "VirtualBox-3.1-Stability-Matrix.zip" -- it shows clearly why you can't develop for Linux without testing on each and every distro. |
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| 22:00.06 | bimbim | jhutchins_wk: I'm fine |
| 22:00.17 | nsadmin | then you can do things like (ls -CF ; cat fuglyfile) | pastebinit |
| 22:00.26 | simonlnu | technologov: take. it. to. offtopic. |
| 22:00.27 | jhutchins_wk | bimbim: No, you're not, and you're running an unsupported configuration, and if you're fine, why are you here? |
| 22:00.29 | bimbim | jhutchins_wk: testing/unstable was a good mix for ~10 years of mine |
| 22:00.43 | jhutchins_wk | bimbim: THen you support it. |
| 22:00.48 | bimbim | heh |
| 22:00.59 | jhutchins_wk | !frankendebian |
| 22:01.00 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince #linux to help. |
| 22:01.01 | Darkelfjuggalo | anyone know where I might be able to find drivers for a LookBook ereader[cant find any for win 7 or any linux in a search] |
| 22:01.28 | ompaul | bimbim: and #linux will laugh at you ime |
| 22:01.32 | panic_at_school | mysql says: 1. mysql.user contains 3 root accounts without password! (weird) |
| 22:01.33 | bimbim | jhutchins_wk: testing/unstable has been always "supported" |
| 22:01.41 | ompaul | bimbim: not as one install |
| 22:01.51 | bimbim | ompaul: there's no #linux , only ##linux |
| 22:01.55 | jhutchins_wk | bimbim: Not here it hasn't. |
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| 22:02.03 | nsadmin | technologov, most of what you've been posting here is about "things that linux can't do for one reason or another", which is a form of FUD which is a form of spam |
| 22:02.04 | ompaul | bimbim: pedantic trolling now :P |
| 22:02.13 | jhutchins_wk | bimbim: See message from dpkg. |
| 22:02.14 | bimbim | ompaul: exactly |
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| 22:02.34 | bimbim | jhutchins_wk: I deny private messages |
| 22:02.41 | technologov | nsadmin, I have proved my point, in scientific way. |
| 22:02.52 | valdyn | technologov: will you shut up please |
| 22:03.08 | nsadmin | technologov: this is support, proofs are off topic |
| 22:03.26 | jhutchins_wk | panic_at_school: THat's not completely out of order. You may have a root entry for localhost, for a specific server, and for all locations. |
| 22:03.36 | nsadmin | the preceeding was not a proof, therefore it was on topid :P |
| 22:03.37 | jhutchins_wk | panic_at_school: However, it's suspicious. |
| 22:04.06 | jhutchins_wk | panic_at_school: I often use phpmyadmin to help visualize problems like this, it can be easier than the console client. |
| 22:04.10 | panic_at_school | jhutchins_wk: sorry that was OLD initial config :D |
| 22:04.11 | Dulak | technologov: you do come across as a jaded old neckbeard who is happier running say solaris than any of the 'new crap.' Might I suggest looking at SmartOS and leaving us noobs to our fun? |
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| 22:04.19 | Talon_ | I just downloaded the "testing" install cd, changed my repos to sid + experimental, upgraded everything, runnin gnome 3, got gnome shell extensions from experimental, its all working awesome! Question tho: it appears these extensions are just javascript, but with a custom interperator "gjs". Is there any good documentation for shell extension development? I'm pretty adept in JavaScript, I'd love to try my hand at it. |
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| 22:04.37 | panic_at_school | jhutchins_wk: Jan 13 14:54:14 debian mysqld: 120113 14:54:14 [ERROR] Can't start server: Bind on TCP/IP port: Cannot assign requested address |
| 22:04.42 | jhutchins_wk | panic_at_school: It could just be that the new init system is bringing MySQL up before there is network connectivity... |
| 22:04.44 | bimbim | cat /var/log/dpkg.log | pastebinit --> http://pastebin.com/V8gH95a3 |
| 22:05.08 | jhutchins_wk | panic_at_school: BIngo. Yet it works manually after the system boots? |
| 22:05.11 | nsadmin | Talon_, experimental (purposely) has broken packages, someties very broken |
| 22:05.33 | np_complete | how to enable debian-backports? for compiling sources? |
| 22:05.34 | panic_at_school | jhutchins_wk: yes it works manually - but mysql starting after network on boot |
| 22:05.42 | nsadmin | just so you know |
| 22:05.44 | bimbim | heh, but what's wrong with dpaste? |
| 22:05.47 | Talon_ | yeah, I figured, i commented it out of my sources.list, but i needed it to get gnome-shell-extensions |
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| 22:05.58 | ompaul | !tell np_complete about dbo |
| 22:06.01 | jhutchins_wk | panic_at_school: There you have it. How are you managing the network static/dhcp config in /etc/interfaces? |
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| 22:06.17 | ompaul | !tell np_complete about backports |
| 22:06.21 | bimbim | !tell debian guys they are wrong |
| 22:06.31 | nsadmin | np_complete, you can try soething like this: |
| 22:06.35 | nsadmin | !ssb |
| 22:06.35 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 22:06.51 | dvorak__ | Hi there! I have a debian vm on my debian machine which is on the same local network (I used bridge). The vm's gateway is 10.0.0.1. The thing is I have set up some hosts value in the hosts file on the physical machine. However, if I type the hosts aliases in the virtual machine, it does not recognize them. Can you tell me what do I have to setup to make the virtual machine recognize the hosts that the physical machine does? Without having to copy the hosts |
| 22:06.51 | dvorak__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.54 | nsadmin | except if the thing you want is in experimental, |
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| 22:07.19 | panic_at_school | jhutchins_wk: i don't have /etc/interfaces |
| 22:07.42 | bimbim | somebody (possible me myself) told me that Debain is the best supported distro in the universe... |
| 22:07.47 | ompaul | panic_at_school: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:07.55 | jhutchins_wk | dvorak__: The vm can not read the hosts file on the host system, you will need to copy the entries to the vm's hosts file. |
| 22:08.04 | ompaul | bimbim: debian is not frankendebian like what you made for yourself |
| 22:08.10 | jhutchins_wk | panic_at_school: Are you using network manager? |
| 22:08.18 | panic_at_school | no I dont |
| 22:08.22 | nsadmin | dvorak__, either copy the hosts file or run a dns which you give authority over an internal name, like dvorak.foo |
| 22:08.23 | bimbim | ompaul: frankendebian? |
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| 22:08.31 | jhutchins_wk | panic_at_school: How is your networking configured then? |
| 22:08.32 | panic_at_school | iface eth0 inet up |
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| 22:08.41 | ompaul | bimbim: mixing stable testing unstable experimental |
| 22:08.45 | jhutchins_wk | panic_at_school: Where aer the settings? |
| 22:08.49 | panic_at_school | automaticly via eth0 - I use it on VirtualBox |
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| 22:08.57 | bimbim | ompaul: ah, that |
| 22:09.01 | dvorak__ | nsadmin: thanks |
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| 22:09.13 | bimbim | ompaul: never had any issue with that |
| 22:09.14 | jhutchins_wk | panic_at_school: You still have to have settings somewhere. You're saying you start networking manually? |
| 22:09.23 | dvorak__ | jhutchins_wk: thanks for the intel. |
| 22:09.37 | bimbim | ompaul: I cn easily comment out everything but sid lines, you know |
| 22:09.39 | ompaul | bimbim: you are here, that indicates you are (A) trolling or (B) very confused (C) something else which does not make sense to anyone here |
| 22:09.41 | bimbim | it's easy |
| 22:09.48 | bimbim | ompaul: B |
| 22:09.55 | nsadmin | welcome... I like bind for a dns, but many others will find that weird (or something); point being, if you choose to run a dns, you have choices |
| 22:09.58 | panic_at_school | jhutchins_wk: Debian starts network at boot. I didn't setup it. It is by default. I use virtual VirtualBox network card. It works. |
| 22:10.13 | jhutchins_wk | dvorak__: You might look at "dnsmasq" - people seem to like it for small DNS systems. |
| 22:10.31 | jhutchins_wk | panic_at_school: Check to see if there are network settings in /etc/interfaces. |
| 22:10.33 | ompaul | bimbim: then remove all but sid and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade but you may have made enough of a mess to stop anything from working even it you doi that |
| 22:10.38 | panic_at_school | panic_at_school: system connects to router as another psychical machine |
| 22:10.38 | bimbim | ompaul: okay |
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| 22:10.39 | talexb | SPF There you go. |
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| 22:11.05 | jhutchins_wk | panic_at_school: Trying to determine what method the system is using to automate the setup. It's not magic, something has to be doing it. |
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| 22:11.09 | nsadmin | jhutchins, I thought that thing just forwards to isp dns... it can manage a domain too? |
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| 22:11.31 | jhutchins_wk | nsadmin: Yes, it's a combination dhcp/dns system |
| 22:11.33 | bimbim | ompaul: done |
| 22:11.40 | bimbim | ompaul: sid-only now |
| 22:11.49 | lcb | wheezy matters isn't #debian-next? it's "invite only" |
| 22:11.53 | Some_Person | Can anyone tell me a good VNC client please (one that can do fullscreen)? |
| 22:11.59 | jhutchins_wk | lcb: oftc.net |
| 22:12.03 | bimbim | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 22:12.08 | panic_at_school | jhutchins_wk: interfaces -> auto lo \n iface lo inet loopback \n allow hotplug eth0 \n iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 22:12.13 | jhutchins_wk | Some_Person: What is the target system? |
| 22:12.17 | lcb | ahh ok, thanks jhutchins . forgot that :) |
| 22:12.18 | ompaul | bimbim: and then you did your apt-get dist-upgrade - if complete reboot and see if it works, if not go getyourself a stable netinstall and do the update right |
| 22:12.47 | bimbim | ompaul: apt-get -y dist-upgrade --> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 22:12.53 | jhutchins_wk | bimbim: Ok, the the problem is with the initscript for MySQL. It needs to require networking to be up for it to start. |
| 22:12.58 | jhutchins_wk | bimbim: s'cuse. |
| 22:13.06 | bimbim | ;) okay |
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| 22:13.10 | jhutchins_wk | panic_at_school: Ok, the the problem is with the initscript for MySQL. It needs to require networking to be up for it to start. |
| 22:13.35 | ompaul | bimbim: reboot it |
| 22:13.43 | bimbim | gosh! I'm on freenode, not oftc??? |
| 22:13.48 | Some_Person | jhutchins_wk: Windows 7, with UltraVNC server installed |
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| 22:13.49 | bimbim | ompaul: nope |
| 22:13.55 | jhutchins_wk | panic_at_school: This probably is a change due to upstart. I'm not sure of the details, but a) we need to put that dependency in the init file, and b) need to file a bug or vote for existing. |
| 22:14.03 | bimbim | oooops |
| 22:14.13 | jhutchins_wk | Some_Person: UltraVNC client would be best then. |
| 22:14.14 | panic_at_school | Jan 13 14:54:12 debian kernel: [ 6.948564] e1000: eth0 NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex, Flow Control: RX |
| 22:14.54 | Some_Person | jhutchins_wk: I don't believe they have a Linux version |
| 22:14.54 | panic_at_school | 2 secord after mysql is starting up |
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| 22:15.31 | jhutchins_wk | Some_Person: aptititude search vnc, go through the list until you find one that works well with it and who's features you like. |
| 22:15.53 | Some_Person | jhutchins_wk: That isn't very helpful. I was hoping for a suggestion |
| 22:16.04 | jhutchins_wk | panic_at_school: Right, that's what you have to fix. |
| 22:16.06 | Na_Klar | panic_at_school: how did you get that data about your net connection? |
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| 22:16.22 | jhutchins_wk | panic_at_school: One possibility would be to take it out of init and start it in rc.local - quick fix. |
| 22:16.59 | jhutchins_wk | panic_at_school: You might find a solution by googling "mysql fails to start at boot". |
| 22:17.14 | panic_at_school | jhutchins_wk: will check both suggestions |
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| 22:18.36 | panic_at_school | google suggest file persmission |
| 22:18.37 | technologov | If you want to discuss with me the problems of developing software "for Linux" - come #debian-offtopic plz. |
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| 22:19.01 | Na_Klar | lol |
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| 22:20.07 | Na_Klar | What does "sending-queue:1000" mean in respect to my ethernet interface? |
| 22:20.10 | jhutchins_wk | panic_at_school: Yeah, that's not the thread you want. |
| 22:20.22 | jhutchins_wk | You might throw "upstart" in. |
| 22:20.41 | jhutchins_wk | panic_at_school: You might also try searching the bugreports, but in my experience they're very hard to search. |
| 22:21.00 | valdyn | Na_Klar: thats a software buffer |
| 22:21.19 | np_complete | I added sid's deb-src but apt-cache search finds nothing. |
| 22:21.21 | jhutchins_wk | panic_at_school: This is definitely something that needs to be reported though. It slipped past the maintainers because it doesn't happen UNLESS you're listening to an external port. |
| 22:21.23 | rillian | ok, video problem solved |
| 22:21.25 | np_complete | (I did update) |
| 22:21.29 | rillian | now it's not finding the rootfs |
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| 22:21.55 | Na_Klar | valdyn, so a high number represents "open" positions for queuing answers? |
| 22:21.58 | panic_at_school | jhutchins_wk: persmissions are ok |
| 22:22.00 | diverdude | Is it possible to make a dump of the entire debian apache config? |
| 22:22.01 | valdyn | Na_Klar: or its a compromise between low latency and low cpu usage |
| 22:22.04 | nsadmin | np_complete, for 4.7 you may need experimental's source |
| 22:22.12 | jhutchins_wk | Some_Person: There are four or five different ones, and how well they work depends on what they're connecting to. |
| 22:22.21 | jhutchins_wk | panic_at_school: Yes, not the problem. |
| 22:22.24 | panic_at_school | jhutchins_wk: I'll try to turn binding port off first |
| 22:22.27 | valdyn | Na_Klar: "answers" ? its a queue for data to be sent |
| 22:22.44 | jhutchins_wk | panic_at_school: Simply the server is trying to create a socket on a port that doesn't exist until two seconds after it tries, so it fails. |
| 22:22.45 | Na_Klar | valdyn, I see, ty |
| 22:22.59 | rillian | hmm, no btrfs module |
| 22:23.24 | jhutchins_wk | Some_Person: Of the ones that work with your target system, you may find you like one better than another. |
| 22:23.34 | jhutchins_wk | Some_Person: They all essentially work just fine. |
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| 22:23.59 | panic_at_school | jhutchins_wk: it worth to check before :) restarting with 127.0.0.1 |
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| 22:24.21 | panic_at_school | jhutchins_wk: yeap - works |
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| 22:25.53 | acu | Hey guys - I install wheezy in an AMD Phenom HP machine - and I get very anoying messages every 30 seconds - Message from syslogd@linuxserver at Jan 13 10:24:38 ...kernel:[ 1031.852033] [Hardware Error]: MC2_STATUS[Over|CE|-|-|AddrV]: 0xd4000 kernel:[ 1045.904027] [Hardware Error]: Instruction Cache Error: Parity error - what is wrong - the computer runs fine - How can I turn the message OFF ? |
| 22:26.10 | sKeiths | my mouse buttons are not working in X, is there a command to reinit mouse without restarting X fully. |
| 22:26.30 | panic_at_school | jhutchins_wk: http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=39264 |
| 22:26.33 | valdyn | acu: you should probably replace the cpu or fix your overheating issues, not shut this off |
| 22:27.00 | dvorak__ | Hi there! Can someone please tell me how can I search packages in yum? Similar to apt-cache search [name] |
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| 22:27.20 | valdyn | acu: this is an error that is internal to the cpu but loggable with that mce system |
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| 22:27.54 | panic_at_school | no it is not it |
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| 22:28.23 | bolt | can lsof show what's using a given display (i.e. :50.0)? I can't find it. |
| 22:28.27 | np_complete | yes I needed experimental... |
| 22:28.35 | jhutchins_wk | dvorak__: Um, possibly someone in an RPM based distro could help you. I believe yum listall | grep package will work, and possibly even yum search package. THere is also yum provides <file> which will tell you what package provides a file. You may need to preceed the filename with \*/ |
| 22:29.13 | np_complete | trying to compile gcc-4.7 in squeeze, Radical and exciteing! |
| 22:29.19 | valdyn | acu: now i cant say by how much this should slow the cpu down, but a single refetch of cached data will slow down that access by a one or more orders of magnitude |
| 22:29.23 | jhutchins_wk | panic_at_school: It's not a mysql bug, it's a Debian bug, because the init script is a debian thing afik. |
| 22:29.29 | acu | valdyn - kernel:[ 1186.424051] [Hardware Error]: Data Cache Error: during L1 linefill from L2 - so this is hardware - cannot be fixed? I forgot if this system with Squeeze did the same - |
| 22:29.40 | dvorak__ | jhutchins_wk: thanks |
| 22:29.45 | jhutchins_wk | panic_at_school: Also, the init script's compliance with LSB & upstart are Debian thngs. |
| 22:29.46 | valdyn | acu: its a hardware bug |
| 22:29.50 | jhutchins_wk | dvorak__: man yum! |
| 22:29.57 | valdyn | acu: broken cpu or overheating cpu |
| 22:30.02 | jhutchins_wk | I is DONE! Have a good weekend folks. |
| 22:30.13 | acu | valdyn: the slowing the cpu is from BIOS - or there is some utility ? |
| 22:30.29 | valdyn | acu: where do you think the bios is involved in this? |
| 22:31.38 | panic_at_school | jhutchins_wk: i found solution |
| 22:31.47 | panic_at_school | jhutchins_wk: just bind 0.0.0.0 :D |
| 22:31.59 | panic_at_school | jhutchins_wk: checking |
| 22:32.52 | acu | one of the bridges - NOrth or SOuth - were very hot - I placed a fan over it - it is cooler now - but before was really hot - the CPU is cool - can enable some monitoring - but I tough the heatsink - and is cool - cooler than the northbridge ---- valdyn - I was wondering where I can slow down the CPU from - I never change CPU clock - well many years ago, but I thought was to overclock it and I did it in bios - nowadays I do not know |
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| 22:33.08 | nsadmin | np_complete, you might want to ask the maint why it's in experimental |
| 22:33.25 | valdyn | acu: your complete error happens on the CPU, your overheating north or south bridge have nothing to do with this |
| 22:33.35 | panic_at_school | panic_at_school: works :D |
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| 22:34.13 | panic_at_school | jhutchins_wk: works ;) |
| 22:34.23 | panic_at_school | jhutchins_wk: thanks for your time ;) |
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| 22:34.27 | valdyn | acu: i have no idea where or if you can underclock your cpu |
| 22:34.58 | np_complete | having to use 4.7 for my c++ program.... I don't want to take many risks. |
| 22:35.30 | valdyn | np_complete: you think using 4.7 is risk avoidance? I'd think the contrary |
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| 22:35.49 | np_complete | so I hope it is stable! |
| 22:35.49 | np_complete | myself->trolol! |
| 22:36.23 | htop_ | hello, does anyone know any numbers about the usage of linux kernels? I believe that Linux is the most used operating system kernel but I need some sources for a presentation |
| 22:36.58 | valdyn | htop_: symbian kernels are probably used more by a large margin |
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| 22:37.12 | np_complete | yes I know it's risky and SCARES ME. |
| 22:37.12 | np_complete | this is not google. |
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| 22:37.47 | valdyn | htop_: and even more than that s40 kernels, by another large margin |
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| 22:38.02 | dvorak__ | Hi! I'm having a vm on a bridged network. However, although the father machine has internet connection, the virtual machine doesn't. Can you please tell me how to configure the networks so that the physical machine shares the internet connection with the virtual machine? |
| 22:38.15 | htop_ | valdyn: have you any source? |
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| 22:38.39 | nsadmin | yessur yessir three bags full |
| 22:38.51 | Talon_ | dvorak__, vbox? what network adapter did you bridge to? |
| 22:38.52 | np_complete | crap unresolved deps when building gcc-4.7 |
| 22:39.03 | sKeiths | since my mouse keeps messing up and the only way to get control of X again is to do a crtl+alt+backspace, is there anyway way to get desktop to reload after a crtl+alt+backspace? |
| 22:39.04 | np_complete | dpkg-dev (>= 1.16.0~ubuntu4) libc6-dev (>= 2.13-5) binutils (>= 2.21.1) | binutils-multiarch (>= 2.21.1) libmpfr-dev (>= 3.0.0-9~) libgmp-dev (>= 2:5.0.1~) |
| 22:39.28 | Talon_ | skeiths, killall Xorg will force x to restart |
| 22:39.37 | valdyn | htop_: i'll try |
| 22:39.38 | nsadmin | ubuntu? |
| 22:39.45 | sKeiths | and keep your programs open? |
| 22:40.04 | Talon_ | no |
| 22:40.19 | sKeiths | then, its the same as crtl+alt+backspace |
| 22:40.37 | dvorak__ | Talon_, No, I use openVZ on that machine. It is staticly configured and the br0 interface on the physical machine has at the ip value, the default gateway of the virtual machine. |
| 22:41.10 | nyu | sKeiths: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace is deprecated. |
| 22:41.36 | sKeiths | how come, i was able to enable it in keyboard preferences |
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| 22:41.51 | valdyn | htop_: i can see 1.5 billion S40 shipped, but I cant see yet how many of those are in use |
| 22:42.04 | UniTe | Is there anyway i can set what IP a user on the shell uses? |
| 22:42.23 | sKeiths | under, key sequence to kill X server |
| 22:43.25 | l_r | why are there 40 cd iso images available for download? |
| 22:43.43 | l_r | in what do they differ each other |
| 22:43.47 | np_complete | why does it say ubuntu? I got squeeze |
| 22:43.55 | np_complete | and put experimental deb-sources |
| 22:44.07 | htop_ | valdy: ah ok. Can you give me an url? |
| 22:44.25 | valdyn | htop_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_40 |
| 22:44.33 | bolt | How can I figure out which PID is using display ":50.0"? lsof? can't see that information there :( |
| 22:45.14 | Talon_ | dvorak__: sorry I'm not sure, never used openVZ, but heres an idea, I'd assume br0 is a broadband kind of connection, which might not support multiple sessions, if you use NetworkManager, goto wired (eth0 most likely) and on the ipv4 settings, set it to shared to other computers, then bind your virtual machine to eth0, as long as the host has internet access, it will share to other computers via eth0 |
| 22:45.24 | valdyn | htop_: its not to long ago that phone hardware was to weak to run linux really |
| 22:45.56 | dvs | and now...? |
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| 22:46.35 | htop_ | valdyn: mhm. Thanks a lot for that. Think that Linux will be soon the most used os kernel out there if it's not to day. |
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| 22:49.16 | nsadmin | dvs, and now there are android phones, which run linux |
| 22:49.43 | dvs | and nuclear power plants |
| 22:49.48 | dvs | '=P |
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| 22:50.07 | nsadmin | those are powerful enough to run linux?! |
| 22:50.19 | dvs | jk |
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| 22:50.36 | nsadmin | I had no idea! |
| 22:51.10 | valdyn | htop_: http://techcrunch.com/2011/11/28/its-still-a-feature-phone-world-global-smartphone-penetration-at-27/ |
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| 22:59.09 | technologov | We're discussing that Debian possibly ships non-free web software in "main" archive. Please join us on #debian-offtopic if u want |
| 22:59.17 | zykotick9 | is nouveau 3d possible in squeeze? or am i better off just installing wheezy or sid? |
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| 22:59.30 | htop_ | dvs: nuclear power plants are not "that" interesting anymore, especially for German |
| 23:00.01 | dvs | htop_: yeah, they're going outr |
| 23:00.18 | Talon_ | zykotick9: depends on the card really, I had no luck with it, I used nvidia-glx (but you might need a legacy version for older cards) |
| 23:01.23 | Talon_ | keep in mind if you try it, you need a basic Xorg.conf, so make sure you install nvidia-xconfig as well or you'll wind up breaking X and haveto fix it from recovery console |
| 23:01.41 | zykotick9 | Talon_: it's a 7300 GS reported by h-node to run 3d with free driver. I'm trying to install a faif system, but mplayer is unable to render video very well right now :( |
| 23:02.53 | Talon_ | that should be new enough for the nvidia-glx drivers |
| 23:03.14 | zykotick9 | Talon_: i'm trying to avoid nvidia proprietary driver |
| 23:03.52 | Talon_ | eh.. sorry then, theres no good way, nouveau doesn't update very often and doesn't work well with a heck of a lot of cards. |
| 23:04.18 | zykotick9 | Talon_: thanks for your input |
| 23:04.33 | Talon_ | best bet is to install nvidia-glx nvidia-xconfig and then as root do nvidia-xconfig to write a generated Xorg.conf to /etc/X11, thats what I did and I got full 3D and everything works great. |
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| 23:05.46 | zykotick9 | Talon_: FYI, your steps above are missing the actual driver install |
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| 23:06.34 | Talon_ | eh, a package manager should already mark the required drivers just by marking nvidia-glx, mine did.. so I didn't think it was worth mensioning all the packages. |
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| 23:07.09 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there every one ... how can i change my default web browser ? |
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| 23:07.39 | cobra-the-joker | knowingly i changed the default applications in gnome and update-alternatives --config x-www-browser ... anything i am missing ? |
| 23:07.40 | nyu | update-alternatives web-browser |
| 23:07.41 | nyu | IIRC |
| 23:08.01 | nyu | Err, yes, x-www-browser |
| 23:08.09 | nyu | Did you relogin/reboot? |
| 23:08.14 | cobra-the-joker | nyu, yes |
| 23:08.28 | zykotick9 | cobra-the-joker: there is also a gnome-www-browser (or similar name) |
| 23:08.40 | cobra-the-joker | zykotick9, ok |
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| 23:09.54 | jhutchins_lt | |
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| 23:10.40 | Bartzy | I want to separate my data from my OS partition, so my data won't use all the space that my OS needs. How much space should I give for debian's root partition ? |
| 23:10.46 | Bartzy | 3-4GB is enough ? |
| 23:11.10 | lstarnes | Bartzy: you want more than that depending on how many packages you install |
| 23:11.17 | lstarnes | I think mine is 20GB |
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| 23:11.18 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: I would recommend against it until you know where your data will be going. |
| 23:11.29 | Bartzy | This is for a server machine |
| 23:11.32 | nyu | Mine is 10GB |
| 23:11.34 | gnz11 | for an os partition go with 5-10g |
| 23:11.35 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: Exactly. |
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| 23:11.44 | gnz11 | that way you have room for any updates |
| 23:11.48 | Bartzy | jhutchins: My data will be going to a specific directory, which will be mounted as a partition (the data partition). |
| 23:11.56 | jhutchins_lt | 5-6 g is probably plenty, but it's still not shuch a hot idea. |
| 23:12.03 | Bartzy | My whole HDD is 40GB |
| 23:12.04 | Bartzy | this is a VPS |
| 23:12.15 | Bartzy | so 5-10GB for the root partition is too much I guess |
| 23:12.31 | sickgut | most VPS's allow for reinstall of the OS without a reformat |
| 23:12.35 | Bartzy | jhutchins_lt: Why it's a bad idea ? |
| 23:12.43 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: Just do one partition until you rebuild it. |
| 23:12.45 | gnz11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.55 | sickgut | if you keep your data in a folder like /data it wont get touched by a reinstall of the OS |
| 23:12.56 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: By the you'll know for sure how big each one needs to be. |
| 23:12.57 | Bartzy | The storage daemon that I run on those machines will just eat what it can in the partition it runs on. |
| 23:13.26 | jhutchins_lt | sickgut: Besides which, you always back up before you do something like that. |
| 23:13.28 | Bartzy | I installed my machines with all packages, they're using 500-600MB right now |
| 23:13.30 | Bartzy | all packages meaning all the packages I need. |
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| 23:13.57 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, I used to run four different distros/releases on a 40 G drive. |
| 23:14.09 | sickgut | i have a 5GB HDD VPS and only 3gb free on the HDD |
| 23:14.09 | Bartzy | so I thought that maybe 3-4GB would be enough... |
| 23:14.12 | lstarnes | Bartzy: you may eventually want to add other packages. there will also be a lot of data stored in /var and (temporarily) on /tmp |
| 23:14.27 | gnz11 | 3-4g will work for your specific setup |
| 23:14.41 | Bartzy | lstarnes: on /var/ there will only be logs, I guess, and caches, but I can wipe them with some cronjob... |
| 23:14.44 | lstarnes | for me, I had about 8G at first for / but I used LVM so I could resize the filesystems |
| 23:14.46 | gnz11 | but you might go with 5g just for a bit of extra room to change |
| 23:14.59 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: I have seen time and time again where a server was partitioned for some good reason and ran out of space when there was plenty of space left on the wrong partition. Having to link system directories to /home is a pain. |
| 23:15.11 | lstarnes | /var also contains package caches, the repo databases, persistent data stored by system services, and other stuff like that |
| 23:15.29 | Bartzy | lstarnes: But will it grow if I don't install new packages ? |
| 23:15.33 | themill | jhutchins_lt: not protecting the server against a user filling / is also a pain... |
| 23:15.41 | lstarnes | Bartzy: not automatically |
| 23:15.53 | jhutchins_lt | themill: I have never seen a single partition system do that. |
| 23:15.59 | jhutchins_lt | themill: I have seen partitioned systems do it. |
| 23:16.00 | lstarnes | Bartzy: you'll have to expand the partitions (or LVM volumes if you use LVM) manually then expand the filesystems |
| 23:16.11 | Bartzy | lstarnes: Will the size of /var increase ? |
| 23:16.18 | lstarnes | Bartzy: not automatically |
| 23:16.19 | Bartzy | themill: No users except me... |
| 23:16.40 | lstarnes | Bartzy: filesystems do not grow in size automatically. you must manually expand them |
| 23:16.43 | Bartzy | jhutchins_lt: But I don't have any data @ /home.... The whole purpose of the machine is to store data in the data partition. That's all it does. |
| 23:17.01 | Bartzy | lstarnes: You didn't understand my question. I asked if the root partition grows in size in time. |
| 23:17.05 | themill | jhutchins_lt: if you have /tmp and /var on / then it's trivial for a user to fill / on you. |
| 23:17.12 | lstarnes | Bartzy: the amount of data stored on it will grow |
| 23:17.31 | lstarnes | Bartzy: the actual capacity of thr filesystem will not |
| 23:17.34 | Bartzy | meaning that if I do not add new packages, watch out for logs and /var/cache - will it grow in time? |
| 23:17.38 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: Then answer is it depends. |
| 23:17.42 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: Generally yes. |
| 23:17.46 | lstarnes | Bartzy: in short, yes. |
| 23:18.02 | Bartzy | jhutchins_lt: Depends on ? |
| 23:18.14 | jhutchins_lt | themill: I've seen systems that essentially had no "users" do it. |
| 23:18.24 | themill | Bartzy: crap builds up over time. Make sure you leave space for it. |
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| 23:18.45 | Bartzy | themill: What crap ? |
| 23:18.52 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: How long it runs for, what you do to it, what changes you make in the system, what runs on the system - sometimes besides what you THINK is important. |
| 23:18.56 | Bartzy | So I can clean it up |
| 23:19.11 | jhutchins_lt | Not allways. |
| 23:19.12 | lstarnes | Bartzy: like config files in /etc, package update copies in /var, and other things |
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| 23:19.25 | Bartzy | if my setup takes 0.5GB, I think that 8 times that capacity is fine ? |
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| 23:19.39 | lstarnes | Bartzy: probbaly |
| 23:19.39 | jhutchins_lt | Like I said, you can end up moving system folders to your data partition and symlinking them, but that's a pain, it's better to have a single partition. |
| 23:19.46 | themill | Bartzy: sure. You'll still end up wanting another package or wanting to upgrade to wheezy or ... |
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| 23:19.47 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: Run Nagios or something to monitor the disk. |
| 23:20.00 | Bartzy | jhutchins_lt: Sure thing. |
| 23:20.29 | lstarnes | Bartzy: fortunately you can always expand filesystems. some like ext2/3/4 also support shrinking |
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| 23:20.38 | themill | Bartzy: understand that jhutchins_lt has some fairly unique views of partitioning and that you might like to read around the subject and make up your own mind. |
| 23:20.38 | Bartzy | themill: OK - and wanting to upgrade to wheezy with 3GB free in the root partition - not enough ? |
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| 23:21.18 | jhutchins_lt | has had some experience with servers and why they crash over the years. |
| 23:21.32 | lstarnes | Bartzy: you want at least 500MB or so for the package cache when the upgrade happens |
| 23:21.32 | jhutchins_lt | themill: all yours again. |
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| 23:21.42 | lstarnes | Bartzy: but that can be cleared after updating |
| 23:21.49 | themill | jhutchins_lt: and you assume that no-one else does. |
| 23:21.56 | Bartzy | themill: It's just a tradeoff - I have only 40GB on those machines. I have to separate the data from the root partition because the daemon I run just keeps filling with data until there's no space in the partition the directory is on. so splitting the root & data to different partitions is a good move. |
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| 23:22.30 | Bartzy | themill: However, since I only have 40GB, I would like to get as much as I can for the data partition - Otherwise I have to get more machines :p That's more mney |
| 23:22.30 | Bartzy | money |
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| 23:22.55 | themill | absolutely |
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| 23:23.49 | Bartzy | so I guess 4GB is indeed OK for that setup. Thanks for the help everyone :p |
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| 23:24.32 | themill | Bartzy: fixing the thing that fills your disks to be a bit more polite wouldn't be a bad option either... |
| 23:24.49 | Bartzy | themill: Yeah, but that's another story :) |
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| 23:25.38 | themill | daemons like that filling disks is a great way of losing data |
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| 23:32.04 | rypervenche | Is it possible to find out the hostnames of the other Linux computers on my local network? I would like to rsync with one of them by its hostname. |
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| 23:32.30 | tuxcrafter | hi all |
| 23:32.40 | tuxcrafter | noatime did inclode nodiratime correct |
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| 23:33.05 | rillian | rypervenche, if they have avahi installed and running, and you have the avahi resolver plugin, you can 'rsync hostname.local' or 'hostname.lan' |
| 23:33.16 | tuxcrafter | direcory inode is a inode and therefor noatime also includes nodiratime? |
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| 23:34.32 | rypervenche | rillian: So it would be better to use IP address then? |
| 23:34.48 | rillian | rypervenche, depends on how you set up the machines |
| 23:34.59 | rillian | I much prefer the mdns hostname lookup through avahi |
| 23:35.06 | rillian | but you have to enable it |
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