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| 00:02.04 | FLeiXiuS | Is there a way to retrieve the installation history when installing from a cd? |
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| 00:04.30 | Sciuro | look in /var/log/installer |
| 00:05.06 | FLeiXiuS | Sciuro, thanks, didnt even seet hat |
| 00:06.17 | acu | what is the command to find the application to install - apg-get search flashplugin ? |
| 00:06.18 | FLeiXiuS | Hopefully that'll help me digest why my late_Command in my preseeds file isnt working |
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| 00:06.51 | themill | dpkg: tell acu about adobe flash |
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| 00:07.09 | Sciuro | apt-cache search something |
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| 00:08.24 | Sciuro | FLeiXiuS, I also had problems with the late_Command. I solved it with a puppet server |
| 00:09.15 | Sciuro | A little overdone, but it works. |
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| 00:09.42 | FLeiXiuS | Sciuro, unfortunately, I don't have that luxury at the moment. I'm customizing the installation disk a service which will be sold to customers. |
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| 00:10.13 | Sciuro | hmmm. true. |
| 00:10.29 | eeeuser | Hello, is there some minimal way to determine that a machine is running a particular distro from the command line - I'm on a system that does not have lsb_release installed |
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| 00:10.39 | FLeiXiuS | Otherwise, my installation would be pxebooted with puppetmaster faciliating it. |
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| 00:12.46 | acu | Sciuro yes apt-cache search |
| 00:12.46 | acu | thanks |
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| 00:12.47 | Sciuro | I also did it the dirty way, make a init script and run it at boot time. Let the script remove itself after installation. |
| 00:12.48 | FLeiXiuS | eeeuser, which package management system does it have? |
| 00:12.54 | eeeuser | thats what i want to know |
| 00:13.04 | eeeuser | I suppose I could just check binaries |
| 00:13.06 | FLeiXiuS | Sciuro, I had that too...except mine was run after initial login. |
| 00:13.17 | FLeiXiuS | eeeuser, Or just check for typical commands.. apt-get yum, etc. |
| 00:13.19 | eeeuser | but I was wondering if there was a better way, like a kernel parameter that is configured in, or a something |
| 00:13.41 | eeeuser | yeah, I guess checking for package systems is probably a reasonable fallback |
| 00:13.58 | FLeiXiuS | eeeuser, Also, is /etc/motd or /etc/issue helpful? |
| 00:14.45 | eeeuser | ok, im checking out /etc/issue |
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| 00:15.29 | eeeuser | ya, parsing /etc/issue seems reaonsable |
| 00:15.51 | FLeiXiuS | Are you trying to script something? Or are you just confused as to where your logged into? |
| 00:16.11 | FLeiXiuS | ls /etc/*release | xargs cat |
| 00:16.13 | FLeiXiuS | or .. |
| 00:16.17 | FLeiXiuS | cat /etc/*release |
| 00:16.25 | FLeiXiuS | Long night... lol |
| 00:16.35 | gabesubdo | hahaha FLeiXiuS |
| 00:16.45 | FLeiXiuS | sigh... |
| 00:17.10 | eeeuser | FLeiXiuS, I am scripting a dependency installer, that wraps up different linux packaging systems |
| 00:17.26 | FLeiXiuS | Eww |
| 00:17.31 | eeeuser | its not that big |
| 00:17.39 | eeeuser | its only for a single program |
| 00:17.41 | FLeiXiuS | Hmm...have you looked at EPM? |
| 00:18.07 | FLeiXiuS | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/epm |
| 00:18.28 | eeeuser | it has to assume minimal availablity, and work reasonably cross platform (eg mac osx). Anyway, I think your tips are fine. The script need not be bulletproof, just 90%. |
| 00:19.30 | FLeiXiuS | For macs, uname -o would def help. |
| 00:19.32 | acu | hey guys - any of you using Wheezy with GNOMe3 on ATI card with free drivers - and it works fine ? |
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| 00:19.48 | eeeuser | yes, we do this. |
| 00:20.37 | Some_Person | hmm, I'm wondering what DE I should run on my netbook |
| 00:20.51 | acu | eeeuser: you have Wheezy with GNome and ATI card and it works ? |
| 00:20.52 | acu | with the free driver ? |
| 00:20.54 | sabayonuser | really quick question that I seem somehow unable to find the answer to; does wheezy have gnome 3 packages, or would I have to backport it? |
| 00:21.04 | sabayonuser | and on nebook, i find kde decent, but gnome 3 rocks |
| 00:21.25 | FLeiXiuS | Some_Person, I've been pondering that for a while..been stuck on xfce |
| 00:21.27 | acu | sabayonuser, wheezy comes with gnome3 - but with ati cards it does not work for me |
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| 00:21.45 | FLeiXiuS | sabayonuser, now there's a distro.. <3 sabayon |
| 00:21.52 | acu | sabayonuser, I have a couple of computers with Nvidia and INtel VGA card - and Gnome3 works perfect |
| 00:21.53 | sabayonuser | :P |
| 00:22.13 | nechayev | there, more 'agnostic' name :P |
| 00:22.20 | Some_Person | I still have not tried GNOME 3 |
| 00:22.30 | FLeiXiuS | </3 gnome3, unity...and all of that BS |
| 00:22.44 | nechayev | and yes, sabayon is win, but debian is my home ;P |
| 00:22.50 | nechayev | unity is horrid |
| 00:22.53 | Some_Person | I do not like Unity |
| 00:23.01 | FLeiXiuS | If you dont like unity, you wont like gnome shell |
| 00:23.09 | FLeiXiuS | They're all focused around the same BS |
| 00:23.28 | FLeiXiuS | I want to know which windows I have opened without having to visually see them or performing another action to see them. |
| 00:23.37 | FLeiXiuS | And they all fkc up workspaces/dual monitor setups |
| 00:23.42 | nechayev | eh, i dont like unity, but im loving gs |
| 00:24.09 | FLeiXiuS | I dont know how...I hate not knowing which windows I have opened... |
| 00:24.12 | nechayev | please tell me the debian implementation of g3 didn't go with unity? :( |
| 00:24.25 | FLeiXiuS | Although, cinnamon is looking promising. |
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| 00:24.46 | acu | !ati gnome3 wheezy |
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| 00:27.49 | format_c | I just upgraded my webserver from lenny to squeezy. I have now the problem that no php scripts are executed in userdir sites. |
| 00:28.18 | format_c | I already followed the instructions in /etc/apache2/mods-enables/php5.conf to re-enable the php engine in userdir. |
| 00:28.37 | format_c | But it doesn't have any effect even not after restarting the service. |
| 00:28.48 | format_c | Does anyone have an idea? |
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| 00:33.41 | eeeuser | acu, : sorry, no, i was responding to a different comment. |
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| 00:36.14 | ken055 | Please, I try to run virt-manager on Debian 6.03 and I get an error message when I start it : "unable to open a connection to the libvirt management daemon. Libvirt URI is qemu:///system Verify that The 'libvirtd' daemon has been started". What did I miss ? I installed that ("virtinst") from the official repos. (I see here http://virt-manager.org/page/Build_and_Install_Latest_Virt-Tools_on_Fedora the confirmation that it's the right |
| 00:36.14 | ken055 | packet to get (for Fedora, well, there's the same name for Debian) |
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| 00:37.19 | Some_Person | ken055: Try sudo /etc/init.d/libvirtd start |
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| 00:37.57 | ken055 | Some_Person: ok, tks. I try to start the daemon manualy :) |
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| 00:39.16 | martianlobster | when I do a "man stdint.h" I get No manual entry for stdint.h. Does anyone know what I need to apt-get install? |
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| 00:40.09 | ken055 | Some_Person: please, how do I put my account into the sudoers group ? |
| 00:40.19 | horzuh | Can I create a file on a FS and use that for swap? |
| 00:40.36 | Some_Person | ken055: run visudo as root |
| 00:40.43 | ken055 | tks :) |
| 00:41.06 | ken055 | su |
| 00:41.08 | ken055 | oups |
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| 00:41.32 | horzuh | enter root password: |
| 00:41.33 | horzuh | :-P |
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| 00:42.19 | horzuh | So, using a file for swap, is it possible? |
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| 00:44.19 | doffe | Im trying to change resolution from 800x600 to 1024x768 on my recently installed laptop(Debian 6 + LXDE) . The problem is that I can’t find the option that says 1024x768. I've been playing around with xorg.conf unsuccessfully :/. Model: Toshiba Portage R100, Graphic card: Trident Microsystems CyberBlade XP4m32” |
| 00:45.39 | delvalle26 | doffe: try xrandr? |
| 00:45.53 | doffe | delvalle26 yes |
| 00:46.41 | doffe | Already tried that. |
| 00:46.48 | delvalle26 | :( I see. |
| 00:47.43 | ken055 | Some_Person: I wrote a line like "my_login ALL=(ALL) ALL" in the file edited with the visudo command. I got the right to use sudo with my_login account. I tried to start the livirtd daemon. There is no such daemon... ! |
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| 00:50.06 | technologov | Trident still alive ? Or this card from prev. Millenia ? |
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| 00:50.22 | ken055 | I even just tried to start the daemon as root. The "file (or directory) does not exist" (approximately) |
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| 00:50.30 | doffe | technologov From 2002-2004 i think :D |
| 00:51.21 | doffe | technologov It goes fast as hell with Debian 6 + lxde :) |
| 00:51.41 | technologov | heh... |
| 00:51.44 | technologov | <-- KDE guy |
| 00:51.54 | ken055 | I made a mistake in my n-2 post : it's "libvirtd" obviously |
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| 00:53.02 | martianlobster | apt-get install manpages-dev glibc-doc <---- I think this is the answer to my previous question |
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| 00:54.11 | martianlobster | hmmmm still nothing for man stdint.h |
| 00:55.05 | ken055 | same question as before with additional information : Please, I try to run virt-manager on Debian 6.03 and I get an error message when I start it : "unable to open a connection to the libvirt management daemon. Libvirt URI is qemu:///system Verify that The 'libvirtd' daemon has been started". What did I miss ? I installed that ("virtinst") from the official repos. (I see here http://virt-manager.org/page/Build_and_Install_Latest_Virt |
| 00:55.05 | ken055 | -Tools_on_Fedora the confirmation that it's the right packet to get (for Fedora, well, there's the same name for Debian). I tried "sudo /etc/init.d/libvirtd start" but "libvirtd" is not there ! So... It should have come a a dependancy. How to solve that ? |
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| 00:57.29 | doffe | delvalle26 Do you have any other suggestion to my problem? |
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| 00:58.47 | ken055 | s/a a dependancy/as a dependancy/ |
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| 01:25.01 | GTRsdk | Could someone help me burn the Debian CD? Others (meaning non-Debian) worked, but the Debian CD doesn't. I'm using a Mac. |
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| 01:30.06 | acu | I am trying to install Wheezy (actully with Squeeze I got similar problem) in an AMD 64 phenom (two years old) in a 1.5 TB hard disk drive - everything goes fine untill almost to the end of package installation - whern it fails 'pkgsel' failed with error code 1 |
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| 01:30.53 | GTRsdk | It looks like the download *still* hasn't completed yet. I thought it had and was about to burn it. |
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| 01:40.23 | ken055 | Please, I try to run virt-manager on Debian 6.03 and I get an error message when I start it : "unable to open a connection to the libvirt management daemon. Libvirt URI is qemu:///system Verify that The 'libvirtd' daemon has been started". I installed "virtinst" packet from the official repos. I tried "sudo /etc/init.d/libvirtd start" but "libvirtd" is not there, Debian Say. Nevertheless I find the libvirtd daemon (running as root) b |
| 01:40.23 | ken055 | y the "ps aux | grep -i [l]ibvirt" command. I try to check auth and access. And to get information on how to do that, I first try to find the documentation. I had installed the "libvirt-doc" packet. My question is : how to know where it's deployed in the directory tree ? I searched it without success. Is there a traditional directory that contains documentation ? |
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| 01:45.00 | babilen | ken055: Is the module loaded? Did you install libvirt-bin? You can always use apt-file to search package contents if you are unsure which package a specific file (or even just a pattern/regex) belongs to. |
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| 01:45.09 | sstack | hello , I've setted up a server with encrypted root and dropbear, is there another way to unlock the device instead of the one described here? http://blog.neutrino.es/2011/unlocking-a-luks-encrypted-root-partition-remotely-via-ssh/ |
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| 01:46.07 | babilen | ken055: http://wiki.debian.org/KVM is also worth a read. |
| 01:47.02 | ken055 | babilen: the libvirtd daemon is loaded, I see it with the "ps aux .." command. Yes I installed libvirt-bin. |
| 01:47.20 | ken055 | tks I give a look :) |
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| 01:48.17 | babilen | I misunderstood your question/problem in that case. :-/ |
| 01:48.23 | recur | anyone know what this means? dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-installation script: Exec format error |
| 01:49.05 | recur | it's when install a package |
| 01:49.05 | zykotick9 | recur: x-posting between #ubuntu and #debian within 1 minute is generally frowned upon |
| 01:49.18 | recur | hi zykotick9 |
| 01:49.23 | recur | oh, I didn't see that in the rules |
| 01:49.31 | recur | do you know what that error means? |
| 01:49.40 | zykotick9 | recur: are you using debian or ubuntu? |
| 01:49.43 | recur | I realized Ubuntu was the wrong place for it |
| 01:49.55 | recur | a debian derivative |
| 01:50.02 | recur | but it's really a dpkg issue I think |
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| 01:50.24 | recur | but there's no one in #dpkg or #debian-dpkg |
| 01:50.32 | babilen | recur: We only support Debian here for a number of technical and social reasons. Please ask in your distro's channel. |
| 01:50.43 | johtso | An application is giving me the warning "libgio version is less than 2.26, single instance support disabled".. is there a way to upgrade it? |
| 01:50.44 | recur | do you guys know of a dpkg chan? |
| 01:50.58 | recur | I thought dpkg was the debian packaging system :) |
| 01:51.49 | gnarface | recur: i'm gonna give you the civil, informative answer nobody else will give you because they're prejudiced against your ghetto debian knock-off. (i am too, but i'm not too big to lord it over you) here it is: (brace for impact) the problem is almost certainly with the package itself, not dpkg. so you're barking up the wrong tree. |
| 01:52.03 | recur | yeah that's what I mean gnarface |
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| 01:52.21 | babilen | recur: That problem is quite likely a problem with the particular package in question and even if not, we still only support Debian here. I am also not aware of any #based-on-debian or #dpkg channel. |
| 01:52.23 | recur | the post install script is really simple |
| 01:52.29 | recur | ohh okay |
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| 01:52.40 | recur | yeah, I'm looking for a debian package support chan |
| 01:52.51 | recur | I was hoping to talk to an actual engineer that worked on it at some point |
| 01:53.16 | babilen | recur: Talk to your distro or whoever that package is from. Lets move on now please. |
| 01:53.39 | johtso | I've tried apt-get install libgio, but no luck |
| 01:53.46 | recur | Sure thanks guys. For the record. The distro is actually debian :) |
| 01:53.53 | gnarface | recur: the package itself should contain a maintainer's email and/or a project homepage. that would be the *first* place you should look for fixes/updates or to file a bug after you've already tried those channels with your distro's native maintainers |
| 01:54.00 | recur | yeah it's my own package |
| 01:54.05 | recur | that's why I'm wondering about it :) |
| 01:54.06 | gnarface | OOOOH |
| 01:54.12 | recur | I didn't want to commit a package to the tree |
| 01:54.14 | recur | and cause problems :) |
| 01:54.20 | recur | I'll go looking for a dpkg chan somewhere |
| 01:54.34 | gnarface | recur: have you read the new maintainer's guide? |
| 01:54.36 | recur | I just couldn't figure out what Exec format error specifically meant as the script is really simple |
| 01:54.53 | babilen | recur: You know that it really helps to ask informative questions -- you might be looking for #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) for packaging support. |
| 01:55.00 | recur | ooooo, thanks! |
| 01:55.05 | recur | I'll go there! |
| 01:55.13 | gnarface | recur: probably means you forgot to make it executable or else you are using a non-supported scripting engine for your #! |
| 01:55.37 | recur | AH! |
| 01:55.38 | recur | good point! |
| 01:55.42 | gnarface | recur: (keep in mind you can't roll out php in shell scripts until you add it to /etc/shells) |
| 01:55.45 | ken055 | babilen: I followed the link and read that virtinst is for command line tools. Being able to launch virt-manager I supposed I must have installed the packet named "virt-manager" that is mentionned. But I don't see that one in Synaptic. Have you got an advice ? |
| 01:55.49 | recur | yeah, I think that's it! |
| 01:55.57 | recur | thanks |
| 01:56.07 | gnarface | recur: that's a question you should have asked about in #bash |
| 01:56.12 | recur | oh |
| 01:56.19 | recur | oops |
| 01:56.34 | babilen | recur: I would guess that a script is either not executable or that you forgot the shebang |
| 01:56.51 | babilen | Ah, gnarface already mentioned that |
| 01:57.30 | recur | I'll go talk to debian-mentors next time I have a similar issue |
| 01:57.35 | recur | thanks for the info guys |
| 01:57.40 | recur | I didn't know that existed |
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| 01:57.53 | babilen | recur: Please ask real questions the next time |
| 01:57.57 | babilen | :) |
| 01:58.31 | babilen | ken055: The package is indeed called virt-manager -- Could you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy virt-manager" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 01:59.14 | ken055 | I never paste anything on any "paste" url. Do I need special rights ? |
| 02:00.03 | zykotick9 | ken055: not for debian.paste.net |
| 02:00.07 | gnarface | ken055: no, the point is its all disposable information so everyone can post but nobody's posts are guaranteed to stay for a while |
| 02:00.46 | ken055 | tks. I'll try to do that. It's not easy (not the same machine, etc.) Could take a while. |
| 02:00.48 | zykotick9 | ken055: sorry paste.debian.net |
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| 02:01.37 | babilen | ken055: Is the other machine not online? Why is it problematic for you to paste that information? |
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| 02:03.11 | ken055 | babilen: not online |
| 02:03.23 | babilen | How do you install packages then? |
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| 02:03.47 | ken055 | I connect it :) |
| 02:03.54 | babilen | \o/ |
| 02:04.05 | gnarface | ken055: then connect it and install pastebinit |
| 02:04.50 | ken055 | well... I will have to disconnect from this one. Or I should get another ethernet cable. |
| 02:05.17 | ken055 | I didn't know pastebinit. Special program to paste on debian url ? |
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| 02:05.26 | babilen | ken055: And you can't connect it and come here? It's much easier to help you if it isn't a problem to exchange information. That being said: I just wanted to confirm my intuition that your repositories are not setup correctly. See "/msg dpkg make squeeze sources.list" for details on how to do that. |
| 02:05.33 | gnarface | ken055: i recommend you get TWO more. nice to have spares. |
| 02:06.15 | babilen | ken055: Or rather: See that factoid for detail on how to configure it correctly ;) |
| 02:06.24 | babilen | gnarface: +1 |
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| 02:06.57 | dracmas | r/quit |
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| 02:08.38 | johtso | how would I install the wheezy version of a package? |
| 02:08.53 | johtso | I need version >=2.26 of http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libgio-fam |
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| 02:09.35 | babilen | johtso: Why do you need that? Instaling or rather backporting that will be some work. |
| 02:09.53 | HS^ | hi i need to install a package from lenny http://packages.debian.org/lenny/ia64/libicu38/filelist |
| 02:10.02 | HS^ | but im on the latest debian, can i still install it? |
| 02:10.06 | ken055 | Tks for advices. I note all that. I have to switch task now. I'll go further later. Tks a lot. |
| 02:10.07 | babilen | ,checkbackport libgio-fam |
| 02:10.09 | judd | Backporting package libgio-fam in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: cdbs (>= 0.4.93), dpkg-dev (>= 1.16.0), libpcre3-dev (>= 8.11). |
| 02:10.20 | babilen | johtso: You need to backport libgio-fam along with these ^^^^ |
| 02:10.23 | johtso | babilen: sublime text 2 doesn't work properly without it |
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| 02:11.29 | babilen | !tell johtso -about ssb |
| 02:12.00 | babilen | johtso: Make sure you backport/install the build-dependencies first. |
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| 02:13.05 | babilen | HS^: libicu44 won't do? |
| 02:13.31 | HS^ | babilen i get this link error: |
| 02:13.33 | johtso | babilen: thanks for the help.. that all looks rather complicated |
| 02:13.54 | HS^ | usr/bin/ld: warning: libicuuc.so.38, needed by libspssdio.so.1, not found (try using -rpath or -rpath-link) |
| 02:14.10 | HS^ | i cant change libspssdio, its not opensource |
| 02:14.42 | HS^ | is this the right way to fix it?: |
| 02:14.52 | HS^ | ln -s /usr/lib/libiccuc.so.38 /usr/lib/libicuuc.so |
| 02:15.05 | babilen | johtso: Well, it really isn't, but I can see that it looks complicated when you see it for the first time. The actual backporting is just "apt-get source -b PKG" which will download the source package and build it. You can install those packages with dpkg -i -- What makes it a bit harder is that you need to configure your system to be able to retrieve source packages and install those from backports. |
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| 02:17.03 | babilen | johtso: unfortunately it is just that straightforwards for libgio-fam as it has some build-time dependencies that are not satisfiable in stable/backports and therefore need to be backported as well. This means that you have to backport cdbs, dpkg-dev and libpcre3-dev and install them *before* you attempt to backport libgio-fam |
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| 02:19.01 | babilen | HS^: That might or might not work, but is certainly the wrong approach. I guess that libspssdio is important for your work and that there are no viable open-source alternatives? You can probably forwardport libicu38 by downloading the source package from lenny and compiling it as you would do for "/msg dpkg ssb" |
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| 02:19.45 | babilen | HS^: You can probably also just install the lenny package directly, but I don't know much about that library to give you a fair assessment of the risks that are associated with it. I guess that it won't interfere though. |
| 02:19.49 | HS^ | yes, i need it. whats this? "/msg dpkg ssb" |
| 02:20.05 | HS^ | babilen how would i install directly? |
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| 02:20.39 | HS^ | and i really dont think there is any risc at all. it's only used for 1thing |
| 02:20.56 | babilen | HS^: It is an IRC command that will send a private message (/msg) to our bot (dpkg) which will cause it to tell you about the <ssb> factoid. (short for simple sid backport) -- The backport is however absolutely the wrong one and you don't need to read it. |
| 02:21.00 | babilen | hehe |
| 02:21.05 | babilen | !tell HS^ -about package recompile |
| 02:21.32 | babilen | That was the one I was thinking of. /me blames johtso |
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| 02:22.19 | HS^ | so |
| 02:22.25 | HS^ | i follow all those 10 commands? |
| 02:22.31 | HS^ | to install the file? |
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| 02:24.07 | HS^ | how will it know to get the sources from lenny |
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| 02:25.19 | babilen | HS^: You just download the source package for lenny directly (i.e. manually from http://packages.debian.org) or add a source line for lenny -- I would personally recommend the former approach. |
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| 02:26.47 | HS^ | but when i go to the page: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/i386/libicu38/download , it says i can just download the package directly if i change /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:27.01 | HS^ | then i can install it using apt-get install libicu38? |
| 02:28.39 | babilen | You would mix lenny and squeeze in that case, which might or might not work. It is however a really bad idea to add lenny binary sources to your sources.list because you can just download the binary packages. I still recommend to recompile the source package as you will probably have a lot less problems. |
| 02:29.12 | babilen | So, add a deb-src line for lenny, download the source package, compile and install it. Done. |
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| 02:30.01 | babilen | Or download it manually from http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/icu, unpack it (see "man dpkg-source"), compile ... |
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| 02:31.04 | HS^ | it has patahces and what not.. |
| 02:31.09 | HS^ | patches |
| 02:31.13 | HS^ | im not that advanced |
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| 02:33.08 | LordTrev | Is there a way to see the all the currently available displays? |
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| 02:34.00 | babilen | HS^: Download the three files somewhere, run "dpkg-source -x icu_3.8.1-3+lenny2.dsc", "cd icu-3.8.1/" and "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us" -- Done. you can install the resulting .debs with "dpkg -i" -- I really don't know how to make this easier for you. Read documentation if something is unclear. (man dpkg-buildpackage, man dpkg-source and the new maintainer's guide) |
| 02:34.46 | HS^ | thanks ill try |
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| 02:40.35 | HS^ | dpkg-buildpackage: warning: (Use -d flag to override.) |
| 02:40.35 | HS^ | root@vps:~/icu-3.8.1# ;s |
| 02:40.35 | HS^ | -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `;' |
| 02:40.51 | HS^ | oh sorry |
| 02:42.25 | HS^ | no .deb is generated though |
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| 02:45.01 | HS^ | maybe theres an error here |
| 02:45.02 | HS^ | dpkg-buildpackage: warning: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting. |
| 02:46.44 | babilen | HS^: Something probably went wrong -- I'll be off now, but that .deb might not be complete/correct. I would also like to add that it is about time to search for an alternative to that program as this will not work anymore in, say, 3 years -- A totally different approach is to run it in a lenny chroot (create it with debootstrap) or in a lenny virtual machine (kvm for example) |
| 02:47.11 | HS^ | its from ibm. commercial. and no alternative |
| 02:47.23 | HS^ | it existed before linux was even here |
| 02:48.19 | babilen | HS^: Ok, the build dependencies can't be satisfied which is something that you quite likely can't fix. That leaves the other two options -- or contact support of whoever sold you that program and ask them to provide a recent version of it. This is hardly a Debian problem and you should take it to the vendor. |
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| 02:48.47 | HS^ | just installing the .deb worked\ |
| 02:49.05 | babilen | hehe, lucky you |
| 02:50.08 | babilen | I don't understand that though as the package couldn't have been built successfully if the build-deps are unsatisfied, but without more information (the actual output) I won't argue. |
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| 02:59.17 | seaworthy_ | i just installed debian but it doesnt read any of my usbs |
| 02:59.29 | seaworthy_ | is ther a package i can install to fix this?" |
| 03:02.01 | fd-balder | how are the usbs attemptedly read? |
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| 03:02.13 | fd-balder | by what, in what manner? |
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| 03:03.01 | seaworthy_ | like usb stick doesnt mount |
| 03:03.06 | seaworthy_ | and the camera doesnt work |
| 03:04.48 | simonlnu | usb devices won't auto mount on their own unless prompted to by a separate process |
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| 03:07.33 | fd-balder | sickgut, i automatically assumed you tried to boot with usbs as boot media, but i guess i was wrong |
| 03:07.42 | fd-balder | seaworthy_ that is |
| 03:08.39 | fd-balder | seaworthy_, any specific error message for the camera? |
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| 03:10.53 | simonlnu | seaworthy_: you can see whether or not the machine scanned the usb host hubs and devices in /var/log/syslog |
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| 03:14.20 | Vasistha | I am using a running debian system. I'd like to make a mirror of it onto a hard drive, so my brother can have a similar system. What's the easiest way to do this while the system is booted? |
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| 03:15.44 | seaworthy_ | fd-balder: dmesg shaows lots of usbs |
| 03:15.51 | fd-balder | ok |
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| 03:19.58 | simonlnu | Vasistha: rsync + some excludes |
| 03:20.13 | Vasistha | simonlnu: /proc /sys /dev ? |
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| 03:20.43 | simonlnu | yeh, and probably /tmp |
| 03:20.52 | Vasistha | maybe /var/lock ? |
| 03:21.13 | simonlnu | certain things in /var, exclude /run or /var/run |
| 03:21.33 | Vasistha | ah yes, run |
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| 03:53.03 | acu | if I install gnome - I will have gdm pulled too ? |
| 03:53.10 | acu | gnome3 in wheezy ? |
| 03:54.10 | ectospasm | I'm pretty sure it will be gdm3 in wheezy... default install of squeeze installs gdm3 afaicr, even though it uses gnome2 |
| 03:54.15 | ectospasm | acu ^ |
| 03:54.34 | acu | thanks ectospasm |
| 03:54.34 | ectospasm | of course, I haven't used wheezy in about six months or so, so my opinion shouldn't be worth much. |
| 03:54.53 | acu | I am on my way - in five minutes I will tell |
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| 03:57.26 | grayghost | I have gnome 2.30.2 ..... should I , and how would I install ver 3 ? |
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| 04:03.45 | ectospasm | grayghost: what version of Debian? |
| 04:03.53 | ectospasm | ...squeeze, wheezy, sid? |
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| 04:08.16 | grayghost | squeeze |
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| 04:08.47 | grayghost | I think .... I downloaded it last week. |
| 04:08.53 | acu | I installed gnome3 - after a minimal install - but it does not go in X - is there a inittab I need to change ? |
| 04:09.07 | grayghost | how would I tell the version ? |
| 04:09.50 | acu | grayghost, linux kernel in squeeze is 6.35 something - so if you are as root - type uname -r |
| 04:10.03 | acu | wheezy is 3.101 |
| 04:10.24 | acu | if you place the CD in drive it will tell you too - there are some html files describing the cd |
| 04:11.04 | lorddelta | Been asking in here before, I'll ask again...anyone know much/anything about WPA2 over Ad-hoc connections? I've been at if for a while, wondering if I need hostapd, but for that I apparently need mac80211/nl80211 drivers...which it doesn't seem like broadcom chips are supported? |
| 04:11.15 | grayghost | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 04:12.43 | acu | grayhost - that squeeze - stable |
| 04:13.48 | grayghost | that sound familiar |
| 04:14.18 | grayghost | is gnome 3 finished and stable ? |
| 04:14.54 | acu | gnome3 is in Wheezy - Testing |
| 04:15.04 | acu | gnome2.2 in Squeeze stable |
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| 04:15.32 | grayghost | so 3 is still in testing ? |
| 04:15.41 | acu | yes |
| 04:15.49 | tensorpudding | 3 hadn't released when squeeze froze |
| 04:15.55 | acu | there maybe some backports - but I do not use them |
| 04:16.04 | tensorpudding | wheezy is not going to release for a bit yet |
| 04:16.33 | grayghost | I think I will wait .... thanks for the answers . |
| 04:19.42 | acu | I install gnome3 but it does not start - gdm3 should start- I get only tty1 and cli login - if I do startx it doe nothing - do I need to do some extra configurations ? |
| 04:19.52 | acu | that is in wheezy |
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| 04:35.54 | rypervenche | How would I go about encrypting my hard drive using LUKS when installing Debian, but with aes-xts-plain? I will be using the backports kernel. |
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| 04:37.24 | modinfo | MimTenJim: have you debian 64bit? |
| 04:37.25 | MimTenJim | modinfo: dobre! |
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| 04:39.23 | modinfo | MimTenJim: have you debian 64bit? |
| 04:39.23 | MimTenJim | modinfo: |
| 04:39.48 | modinfo | MimTenJim: have you debian 64bit? |
| 04:39.49 | MimTenJim | modinfo: . |
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| 04:40.49 | modinfo | MimTenJim: ok, is good :) |
| 04:40.50 | MimTenJim | modinfo: hmm |
| 04:41.15 | modinfo | MimTenJim: how you pc have? |
| 04:41.16 | MimTenJim | modinfo: hmm |
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| 04:55.13 | pnocti | just a quick question, to upgrade from lenny to squeeze, basically replace /lenny/squeeze/ in sources.list then aptitude update and upgrade, correct? |
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| 04:56.30 | karlpinc | pnocti: No. |
| 04:56.52 | karlpinc | pnocti: You need to follow the release notes. dpkg has a short version, hang on... (But you should really read the release notes.) |
| 04:57.17 | karlpinc | !tell pnocti about lenny->squeeze |
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| 04:57.43 | pnocti | yey thanks karlpinc |
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| 04:58.18 | karlpinc | pnocti: Always read the release notes. (Really chapter 4, but the rest will sure help to let you know if you're going to have problems or how to fix the problems you have!) |
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| 05:00.06 | pnocti | ok i went on and did the update and upgrade *without* taking the volatiles off :) |
| 05:00.20 | pnocti | so i'm basically fsckd |
| 05:00.26 | pnocti | i stopped it |
| 05:01.02 | karlpinc | pnocti: Maybe not. But I've no clue. The real hairy part is the new kernel/udev/reboot. |
| 05:01.03 | Vasistha | I am having trouble with this command here: rsync -a --progress --safe-links --files-from=copy-dirs --exclude-from=both-excludes / /mnt/1/ |
| 05:01.33 | pnocti | i see. i haven't got to that part yet. |
| 05:01.58 | Vasistha | when I run it, it creates the directories in the destination, but it does not copy any of the files inside them! Is this a bug to do with -a and --files-from where --files-from is a list of directories? or...? |
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| 05:02.45 | karlpinc | Vasistha: Your problem probably is in your --files-from file patterns. |
| 05:03.10 | Vasistha | karlpinc: it's just a list of directories: boot etc home lib opt root usr var; newline-separated |
| 05:03.42 | karlpinc | Vasistha: Ah. files-from is for files. You want include-from and use patterns. |
| 05:03.52 | Vasistha | karlpinc: ah, okay, thanks |
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| 05:05.10 | Vasistha | karlpinc: but... that is copying everything in /, I only want to copy the directories specified in that include file |
| 05:06.29 | Vasistha | maybe I'll just have to use more excludes |
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| 05:07.31 | ectospasm | Vasistha: maybe write a script that breaks each directory you want into its own rsync invocation. |
| 05:08.05 | Vasistha | ectospasm: hrm. well I guess I am just going to add more excludes, rather than relying on this "include" parameter at all |
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| 06:10.49 | Vasistha | hmm, I need update-grub to write to a different device... |
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| 06:11.24 | Vasistha | does update-grub write to the MBR? if not... then how to I write the MBR of /dev/sdb instead of my root /dev/sda ? |
| 06:12.41 | valdyn | Vasistha: grub-install /dev/sdb |
| 06:12.49 | Vasistha | thanks, valdyn |
| 06:13.13 | Vasistha | alright, time to test! yay |
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| 06:26.28 | Vasistha | hum, so grub-install seemed to work, except that... I guess it wrote the blkid of the wrong system. So while I believe the new device brought up the grub menu, it wants to boot off a device that doesn't exist |
| 06:27.02 | Vasistha | so... from a chroot, how do I get update-grub or grub-install to ... use the right blkid? I can't see anything about the blkid in /etc/grub.d/ or /etc/default/grub |
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| 06:29.15 | Vasistha | valdyn: any ideas? (sorry if the highlight is rude) |
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| 06:34.19 | valdyn | Vasistha: which device is it trying to boot from? |
| 06:34.42 | Vasistha | valdyn: I have the new drive plugged in via usb, but it booted from my builtin hard drive |
| 06:35.24 | valdyn | Vasistha: are you on grub1 or 2 ? |
| 06:35.30 | Vasistha | grub2 |
| 06:37.18 | valdyn | Vasistha: update-grub auto-detects the boot device. What you can do is when starting grub from that usb disk, edit the linux boot entry to use the device you want |
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| 06:37.50 | Vasistha | valdyn: ah okay... gosh I should have thought of that. and then once I get it booted then I can just run update-grub again huh |
| 06:38.05 | valdyn | Vasistha: once booted you can run grub-install and update-grub from there to fix anything that is device-relative |
| 06:38.19 | Vasistha | thanks much! |
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| 06:38.26 | valdyn | Vasistha: you need both |
| 06:38.33 | Vasistha | ah, right, okay |
| 06:38.45 | valdyn | Vasistha: the mbr needs to reference files on a disk, the right one... |
| 06:39.57 | valdyn | Vasistha: keep in mind though that sdb != sdb when boot through usb, possibly |
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| 06:42.08 | valdyn | Vasistha: what it does is: mbr->load grub modules from embedding area->load more grub modules from a file system -> load initrd / kernel -> boot kernel |
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| 06:43.11 | valdyn | Vasistha: and each step before arrow needs to reference the correct device to find the stuff after the arrow |
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| 06:45.27 | Vasistha | valdyn: well, I went ahead and just put the drive into the computer where it's going, so now I've got a "grub rescue" prompt. I had thought a "root" command would do it, but that doesn't seem to be a recognized command |
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| 06:47.13 | valdyn | Vasistha: that rescue prompt means that grub was unable to load completely, probably because its looking for parts on the original disk |
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| 06:47.30 | valdyn | Vasistha: did you do what i said first? |
| 06:48.18 | Vasistha | valdyn: ah, you are saying I should have started by doing the usb boot with a grub redirection. hmm, I already transplanted the drive. |
| 06:48.56 | Vasistha | valdyn: is there a practical way to get grub rescue to look on the device for grub.cfg or would it be easier to re-transplant the drive back to the usb enclosure? |
| 06:48.59 | valdyn | Vasistha: put the drive back, boot from usb to the new system, update-grub and grub-install from there |
| 06:49.06 | Vasistha | right, okay |
| 06:49.12 | Vasistha | well I will be back in a few :) |
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| 06:50.20 | valdyn | Vasistha: grub2 has those modules. When youre at a rescue prompt you might not have enough "modules" loaded to do anything useful, but im not familiar with the command syntax anyway so i couldnt help |
| 06:50.52 | Vasistha | grub 1 was easier in so many ways :P ah well. |
| 06:50.59 | Vasistha | okay, gotta reboot |
| 06:51.39 | valdyn | Vasistha: grub1 had no 2 steps where it loaded "modules", just one stage2 step |
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| 07:00.35 | xreal | I am using NX and want to switch between several desktop environments. Can I use GDM with NX ? |
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| 07:06.19 | technologov | how to up priority of Debian bug ? |
| 07:06.24 | technologov | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=549309 |
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| 07:06.48 | technologov | this is critical bug; It either needs to be fixed to this package removed from debian |
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| 07:08.08 | gnarface | question: does dvdbackup (or... libdvdcss2?) have a problem with multiple camera angles? i seem to be somehow copying both at once, and the resulting mpeg file flickers back and forth between the two |
| 07:08.18 | gnarface | (from a commercial dvd) |
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| 07:20.36 | Vasistha | thanks, valdyn, I'm up and running :) |
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| 07:22.07 | cdown | Hi -- I distinctly remember openntpd being available in stable recently, but it doesn't appear to be there now (neither does the package exist, or anything found by searching "ntp"). Does anyone know where it has gone? |
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| 07:28.48 | Vasistha | cdown: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/ntp |
| 07:29.00 | Vasistha | cdown: maybe your sources.list got messed up? |
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| 07:37.20 | cdown | Vasistha: Turns out I was thinking of my CentOS box |
| 07:37.30 | cdown | Sad that openntpd isn't available in stable really |
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| 07:37.58 | Vasistha | cdown: hmm, is that a different implementation from debian's "ntp" ? |
| 07:38.08 | cdown | it's the openbsd implementation. |
| 07:38.14 | cdown | it's got a lot less feature creep. |
| 07:38.36 | nyu | Have you tried apt pinning? (If it's available in wheezy/sid) |
| 07:39.01 | cdown | well, that's a possibility, but i would rather just go the simple route and go with whatever's in stable |
| 07:39.32 | cdown | simply because this machine is complicated enough as it is without someone having to understand how i've configured aptitude later |
| 07:39.35 | Vasistha | cdown: oh, there is a backport for it |
| 07:39.58 | cdown | Vasistha: oh really? well, that's more feasible |
| 07:40.05 | cdown | thanks for the info, i didn't see it in there |
| 07:40.08 | Vasistha | cdown: interesting, it is in lenny and wheezy but not in squeeze. |
| 07:40.18 | Vasistha | probably something broke and didn't get fixed in time for the release |
| 07:40.26 | cdown | afaik, during lenny time it was only in testing |
| 07:40.55 | Vasistha | uhh http://packages.debian.org/lenny/openntpd |
| 07:41.24 | cdown | so that's two memory lapses this morning :-) |
| 07:42.07 | cdown | interesting though, i don't remember there being any known bad bugs in openntpd when squeeze was first released. |
| 07:42.21 | cdown | but as we have discovered, my memory is not amazing ;-) |
| 07:42.23 | nyu | Who uses lenny? It has outdated versions of everything. |
| 07:42.35 | Vasistha | who knows, maybe the maintainer's wife had a baby and was too busy to keep it in or something crazy :) |
| 07:42.36 | cdown | nyu: I think that wasn't his point, it was that it was in lenny, not that I should use it. |
| 07:42.43 | nyu | I know |
| 07:42.52 | Vasistha | I just upgraded from lenny this week |
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| 08:29.45 | konradb | which ati driver is the best on squeeze? |
| 08:29.52 | konradb | from repo? |
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| 08:35.12 | Vasistha | konradb: I prefer "radeon" ... what system are you using? |
| 08:35.27 | konradb | debian squeeze |
| 08:35.40 | Vasistha | konradb: what I meant by "system" was "hardware" |
| 08:36.49 | konradb | Vasistha: hd5770 |
| 08:37.06 | Vasistha | !ati |
| 08:37.06 | dpkg | To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
| 08:37.15 | Vasistha | radeon |
| 08:37.18 | Vasistha | !radeon |
| 08:37.18 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by ATI/AMD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
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| 08:37.41 | Vasistha | konradb: http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
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| 08:40.46 | Vasistha | konradb: I suspect there is another number like "R700" or "RV630" or something ... you might find it with lspci |
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| 08:43.40 | konradb | http://www.nopaste.pl/18at |
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| 08:58.09 | technologov | I have KDE crashes -- whom to talk to to fix it in 6.0.4 ? |
| 08:58.22 | technologov | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=549309 |
| 08:59.03 | Vasistha | technologov: #debian-kde on oftc, probably |
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| 08:59.50 | Vasistha | !tell X0Rc0re about ask |
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| 09:01.47 | X0Rc0re | who the fuck is dkpg? |
| 09:01.54 | X0Rc0re | what a cunt he is spamming me! |
| 09:01.58 | rainfyre | Help. I broke ssh on my other box. |
| 09:02.14 | technologov | dpkg - it is a bot |
| 09:02.14 | dpkg | technologov: what are you talking about? |
| 09:02.19 | rainfyre | X0Rc0re: no way.. |
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| 09:03.32 | rainfyre | I keep getting an error while loading shared libraried: libcrypto.so.0.9.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 09:05.21 | Vasistha | rainfyre: what are you trying to do? |
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| 09:05.59 | Vasistha | X0Rc0re: I asked dpkg to let you know that you should just ask your question |
| 09:06.19 | X0Rc0re | ok |
| 09:06.19 | rainfyre | Vasistha: I was trying to get aircrack-ng working in squeeze on my other machine |
| 09:06.38 | Vasistha | rainfyre: are you sure you have all the right packages installed? |
| 09:06.39 | rainfyre | Vasistha: the error I posted here is what I was getting when I tried to run airodump-ng |
| 09:07.23 | rainfyre | Vasistha: I'm not sure, but I reinstalled libssl-dev and libssl0.9.8 |
| 09:08.07 | Vasistha | rainfyre: yeah, dpkg -S reports that /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8 is part of package libssl0.9.8 |
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| 09:08.08 | rainfyre | Vasistha: now I'm getting the same error when I try to run irssi or ssh. there are two more commands that I typed and created links. I unlinked them. I'm looking for the lines I entered to show you what I did |
| 09:08.14 | Vasistha | rainfyre: what version of debian are you using, though? |
| 09:08.22 | rainfyre | 6.0.3 64 bit |
| 09:08.28 | rainfyre | squeeze |
| 09:08.38 | Vasistha | rainfyre: ah, but you have installed a package from sid ;) |
| 09:08.48 | rainfyre | I did? hah!! |
| 09:08.58 | rainfyre | What do I do now? How did I do that? |
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| 09:09.28 | rainfyre | I can't even copy and paste from it to show you what I did |
| 09:10.06 | rainfyre | Vasistha: what should I do now? |
| 09:10.08 | Vasistha | rainfyre: well, aircrack-ng is not in squeeze... |
| 09:10.22 | rainfyre | Vasistha: heh no it's not. |
| 09:10.25 | Vasistha | rainfyre: did you get it from sid or from somewhere else? |
| 09:10.41 | rainfyre | from the website, svn download |
| 09:10.51 | rainfyre | Vasistha: I have since removed it |
| 09:11.01 | Vasistha | rainfyre: you might have better luck with the sid version ... /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 09:11.05 | rainfyre | Vasistha: because I couldn't get it to work |
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| 09:11.33 | Vasistha | rainfyre: hmm, and if you broke your libssl you should probably reconfigure that ... dpkg-reconfigure libssl0.9.8 |
| 09:11.36 | rainfyre | Vasistha: thank you, but do you have any idea how to fix what I've done so I can use ssh again? |
| 09:11.41 | rainfyre | thank you |
| 09:12.27 | Vasistha | but I am going out on a limb a bit here, as I am a pretty firm "stable" user myself. the furthest I go into the testing world is to upgrade after the freeze :) |
| 09:12.45 | rainfyre | ha |
| 09:12.51 | rainfyre | Vasistha: same error still |
| 09:12.51 | criminull | hi all, i've installed debian but can't get online cause i need wvdial, is it possible to download the package plus the deps on another machine and install them on the netless debain machine? |
| 09:13.26 | Vasistha | criminull: yes, it is possible |
| 09:13.34 | criminull | the other machine isn;t debain |
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| 09:13.47 | criminull | Vasistha: where would i get the packages? |
| 09:13.52 | Vasistha | rainfyre: darn. hmm. I am ... not sure. It is possible you might have broken something else |
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| 09:13.58 | Vasistha | criminull: packages.debian.org |
| 09:14.02 | rainfyre | Vasistha: yes. |
| 09:14.12 | criminull | ok, thanks Vasistha |
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| 09:14.20 | Vasistha | criminull: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/wvdial |
| 09:14.49 | criminull | thanks |
| 09:14.51 | Vasistha | rainfyre: I'm ... not even sure how to proceed. I wonder if there is some way to ask aptitude to, like, reconfigure *everything* |
| 09:15.05 | rainfyre | Vasistha: maybe if I just say please.. |
| 09:15.11 | Vasistha | rainfyre: oh, uhm, have you tried a reboot? :P |
| 09:15.25 | Vasistha | not the best solution to linux problems, but occasionally it helps |
| 09:15.25 | rainfyre | Vasistha: no. ha. brb. |
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| 09:17.53 | mohsen_hassani | I can't access my VPS through terminal because of my country's restrictions....is there any way like the way I use to open filtered websites with tor? |
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| 09:18.55 | nyu | proxychains |
| 09:19.31 | dwfreed | mohsen_hassani: you can tunnel the ssh connection through the tor proxy; the ssh man page has details about how to do this (look for stuff mentioning SOCKS, but it's not -D) |
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| 09:20.11 | mohsen_hassani | dwfreed, thanks :) I'll check it now:) |
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| 09:21.25 | rainfyre | Vasistha: rebooted. No gui :) |
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| 09:21.39 | Vasistha | rainfyre: oh no! wow it sounds like you really broke something badly |
| 09:22.00 | rainfyre | Vasistha: yeah. what the heck. |
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| 09:22.25 | Vasistha | mohsen_hassani: if you are in China, I hear they've been shutting down tor sessions within minutes. But I am guessing by your name that you are in Iran or something |
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| 09:23.03 | mohsen_hassani | Vasistha, yep, I'm unfortunately in Iran...! |
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| 09:23.18 | Vasistha | mohsen_hassani: things are getting intense there, huh |
| 09:23.27 | Vasistha | rainfyre: I'm sure there's some sort of way to have dpkg reconfigure everything. hmm. |
| 09:23.38 | rainfyre | Vasistha: ok. I'm checking into that |
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| 09:23.41 | mohsen_hassani | Vasistha, I'm ashamed it's getting like this...! |
| 09:24.37 | Vasistha | mohsen_hassani: well hey it's not like it's your fault. but yeah I'm sorry :-( |
| 09:24.56 | Vasistha | mohsen_hassani: I just hope obama doesn't start a war with Iran, that would make me really upset, I have so many friends from there |
| 09:25.02 | mohsen_hassani | Vasistha, thx my friend! |
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| 09:25.21 | Vasistha | mohsen_hassani: anyway good luck and have fun with your tor tunnelling :) |
| 09:25.22 | mohsen_hassani | Vasistha, I'm glad you do! |
| 09:25.33 | mohsen_hassani | Vasistha, :)) thanks! |
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| 09:30.21 | setuid | I had a bad system failure, system would not boot, so I booted up KNOPPIX, backed up the data, and reinstalled from scratch, formatting the drives during the install. |
| 09:30.38 | setuid | How can I, from my backed up version of the system, tell which packages were installed, so I can reinstall them? |
| 09:31.35 | nkuttler | setuid: next time try a chroot and use dpkg --get-selections |
| 09:32.18 | nkuttler | setuid: you could try /var/lib/dpkg/status or see what's in /usr/share/doc/ |
| 09:32.22 | setuid | Right, and then pass that list back in, right? |
| 09:32.30 | setuid | Found this: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/669 |
| 09:32.35 | setuid | but it's a bit heavy weight |
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| 09:38.47 | Vasistha | setuid: yeah, with dpkg --set-selections |
| 09:39.28 | Vasistha | setuid: you may be able to chroot to the old backed up system-- did you try that? |
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| 09:42.06 | Vasistha | rainfyre: btw, you could do this too ... dpkg-reconfigure $(dpkg --get-selections | sed -rn 's,[ \t]+install$,,') |
| 09:42.11 | chalumni | good morning |
| 09:42.53 | chalumni | I have a dumb request. Would anyone from the uk / france / spain / us care to please take 1 minute and register a spotify account for me? I'm in a banned country. |
| 09:43.57 | Vasistha | chalumni: uh, sure, I could do that. you want to pm me with whatever info you want? |
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| 09:44.21 | Vasistha | chalumni: oh, wait, I'm sorry ... can't :P |
| 09:44.22 | chalumni | that's very nice, thank you. I'm on some web based thing so I just hope it's gonna work when I type /msg |
| 09:44.30 | Vasistha | chalumni: it requires fb platform apps, which I have turned off |
| 09:44.31 | chalumni | oh. what happened? :) |
| 09:44.47 | chalumni | not really, it has an option to sign up without that I think |
| 09:45.03 | chalumni | people have been doing it through all kinds of web proxies until they were banned. |
| 09:45.21 | Vasistha | chalumni: You need a Facebook account to register for Spotify. If you have an account, just log in below to register. If you don't have a Facebook account, get one by clicking the 'create an account' link below. |
| 09:45.39 | chalumni | uh oh |
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| 09:45.48 | Vasistha | chalumni: I have a feeling that the spotify account is going to be linked to your fb account |
| 09:45.57 | Vasistha | chalumni: so it may not be so easy to restrict this country limitation |
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| 09:48.01 | criminull | by default does debian save it's packages after downloading them? |
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| 09:51.11 | ksuhku | criminull, yes it does in the cache |
| 09:51.34 | criminull | ok thanks |
| 09:51.44 | ksuhku | chalumni, forget spotify, check out e.g. jamendo.com |
| 09:52.06 | ksuhku | clementine is a nice frontend to jamendo |
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| 09:54.26 | rainfyre | Vasistha: dpkg: conflicting actions -e (--control) and -r (--remove) |
| 09:54.32 | chalumni | I want spotify. :) |
| 09:57.52 | gnarface | anyone happen to know how to get only a certain camera angle out of a VOB with ffmpeg? |
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| 10:00.10 | Vasistha | criminull: /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 10:15.08 | wissem__ | hello |
| 10:15.34 | wissem__ | I've wanted to remove gdm3 from the startup |
| 10:15.47 | wissem__ | so I did: update-rc.d gdm3 disable |
| 10:16.02 | criminull | uncommenting the mirrors in /etc/apt/source.list, should that give all the available packages from debian? |
| 10:16.47 | wissem__ | then I couldn"r launch X and I wanted to re-enable gdm3 but it didn't work!! |
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| 10:17.24 | wissem__ | update-rc.d -n -f gdm3 defaults enable |
| 10:17.24 | wissem__ | update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing |
| 10:17.24 | wissem__ | insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `gdm3' overwrites defaults (2 3 4 5). |
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| 10:24.25 | simonlnu | wissem__: that means it's disabled. leave off the defaults part in the enable |
| 10:24.37 | simonlnu | wissem__: update-rc.d gdm3 enable |
| 10:24.55 | simonlnu | 'defaults' there is useless and won't work anyway |
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| 10:25.23 | wissem__ | yes I've tried using that command without mentioning defaults |
| 10:25.30 | wissem__ | and it didn"t work! |
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| 10:26.12 | KnightsWhoSayNi | maybe update-rc.d -f gdm3 enable |
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| 10:26.56 | simonlnu | he left... |
| 10:27.33 | KnightsWhoSayNi | he probably forgot 'sudo' :P |
| 10:27.51 | darkschneider | lol |
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| 10:29.56 | simonlnu | heh |
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| 10:40.01 | vlayn | bonjour |
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| 10:42.28 | vlayn | je n'arrive pas a me connecter au Reseau LinKNet, la page du site officiel retourne une erreure http://staff.inside.link-net.org/ , vous avez une piste pour ce connecter s'il vous plait ? |
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| 10:49.11 | Woet | vlayn: no idea what makes you think this channel is French, join #debian-fr |
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| 10:49.29 | vlayn | thanks |
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| 11:12.03 | ROKO__ | hello |
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| 11:12.15 | ROKO__ | i have some questions about debian squeeze |
| 11:12.31 | nyu | !tell ROKO__ about ask |
| 11:12.43 | nyu | !ask |
| 11:12.43 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 11:13.14 | ROKO__ | i have installed pulseaudio, but in some cases in skype when somebody call me, and i answer i'm not hear anything, if i call somebody and he answer i can talk and hear |
| 11:13.19 | ROKO__ | what can cause this trouble |
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| 11:13.57 | adix | hello all |
| 11:14.18 | ch4tt3rbit | ROKO__: does the microphone work with debian packages outside skype ? |
| 11:14.22 | adix | is there a repo providing joomla debs? |
| 11:14.28 | ROKO__ | ch4tt3rbit: yeah |
| 11:14.30 | ROKO__ | but i mean |
| 11:14.37 | ROKO__ | when somebody call me |
| 11:14.48 | gnarface | hah |
| 11:14.48 | ROKO__ | i cant hear |
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| 11:14.53 | ch4tt3rbit | then maybe network related |
| 11:14.58 | gnarface | as though there would be anything about joomla that would make your life easier |
| 11:14.59 | ROKO__ | my microphone working |
| 11:15.46 | adix | gnarface, what do you recommend |
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| 11:17.01 | ch4tt3rbit | ROKO__: apps uses destination and source ports, sometines is the client and sometimes the server the one tha opens a port. Maybe your issue is related to your network setup. Like in some firewall, or souter with filtering |
| 11:17.22 | ch4tt3rbit | s/souter/some router/ |
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| 11:17.56 | ROKO__ | ch4tt3rbit: with my second linux os havent this issue |
| 11:18.05 | ROKO__ | on gentoo linux mean |
| 11:18.33 | ch4tt3rbit | have you trued to copy the skype config from one to other ? maybe some diff |
| 11:18.37 | ch4tt3rbit | tryed |
| 11:18.47 | ch4tt3rbit | sorry, I need coffe to wake up |
| 11:18.51 | gnarface | adix: anything else at all |
| 11:19.03 | ROKO__ | ch4tt3rbit: nope |
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| 11:19.23 | gnarface | adix: i couldn't find anything satisfactory myself but i've been coding php longer than most of their maintainers by about double |
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| 11:20.13 | gnarface | adix: wordpress is really popular. codeigniter (under some new name now i think?) pissed me off the least |
| 11:20.37 | gnarface | adix: they're all gonna be riddled with security bugs and will need frequent patching but joomla has serious scalability issues to boot |
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| 11:21.52 | ch4tt3rbit | I'm free of 6 years contrac supporting php scalability problems. I like the smell to any other language in the mornings... |
| 11:22.31 | OldManMagnus | morning. i'm trying to install debian-6.0.3-i386-CD-1.iso onto my netbook. i'm at the stage where i'm trying to find a mirror, but every one i try fails. i've checked the fourth virtual console and every time it tells me that the mirror does support the specified release (squeeze). am i missing something here? |
| 11:23.12 | OldManMagnus | is squeeze outdated now? |
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| 11:23.22 | ch4tt3rbit | can you wget or ping something from the net from the ttys? |
| 11:23.24 | ch4tt3rbit | no |
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| 11:24.54 | OldManMagnus | ch4tt3rbit: doesn't seem like it. |
| 11:25.07 | OldManMagnus | is my connection not working? |
| 11:25.09 | nyu | OldManMagnus: I'd recommend wheezy, squeeze has s little outdated versions of packages. |
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| 11:25.49 | ch4tt3rbit | nyu: so what's the point of such hundred of people working in supporting stable ? |
| 11:26.14 | nyu | ch4tt3rbit: wget and ping don't exist in Debian Live CD's BusyBox shell. |
| 11:26.19 | OldManMagnus | ch4tt3rbit: wget www.google.com works ok on this machine, but if i try it on the netbook i'm installing it on i get and error message. |
| 11:26.29 | OldManMagnus | nyu: wget seems to. |
| 11:26.36 | nyu | And squeeze is ok for servers, but I wouldn't usd it for desktops. |
| 11:26.37 | themill | nyu: please don't recommend wheezy to new users |
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| 11:28.14 | OldManMagnus | ch4tt3rbit: it looks like the eth0 connection on my netbook might not work. :( |
| 11:28.27 | OldManMagnus | because wget www.google.com doesn't work. |
| 11:28.30 | OldManMagnus | dammit. |
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| 11:28.50 | ch4tt3rbit | check dmesg and the firmare in the release notes |
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| 11:28.58 | ch4tt3rbit | firmware |
| 11:29.15 | ch4tt3rbit | maybe your card needs it |
| 11:30.00 | OldManMagnus | ch4tt3rbit: should i just finish the install without a mirror? |
| 11:30.10 | OldManMagnus | then see if i can figure out the firmware. |
| 11:30.19 | themill | OldManMagnus: you can complete the installation without a mirror and then install things afterwards. Just don't select anything at the "tasksel" stage |
| 11:30.32 | OldManMagnus | themill: ok. thanks. |
| 11:30.33 | ch4tt3rbit | yes, if it's cd1 you can do it with default or less packages |
| 11:30.39 | OldManMagnus | cool. |
| 11:30.43 | OldManMagnus | bbl. |
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| 11:32.07 | OldManMagnus | proceeding to install without mirror.... |
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| 11:33.13 | OldManMagnus | btw, has anyone here got unity running on squeeze? |
| 11:33.38 | OldManMagnus | or does it need newer stuff? |
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| 11:36.07 | ch4tt3rbit | I've some squeeze desktops, but they run fluxbox, can't help, sorry |
| 11:36.46 | OldManMagnus | thanks anyway. |
| 11:37.09 | ch4tt3rbit | but I've had machines called unity, duality and trinity :) |
| 11:37.23 | ch4tt3rbit | duality was a 2 real cpus amd |
| 11:38.48 | OldManMagnus | :) |
| 11:39.03 | ch4tt3rbit | someone knows any DHCP+DNS "distributed" replacement ? |
| 11:39.41 | ch4tt3rbit | I mean: I've a bunch of recycled pcs and laptops here, one is the master doing such things (DNS, DHCP, config management, etc) for the others |
| 11:39.54 | ch4tt3rbit | but I woul like to avoid needing one always fired on |
| 11:40.04 | ch4tt3rbit | auto-detection on who is alive or something like |
| 11:41.35 | ch4tt3rbit | I can launch do a cron that launchs a ping or a wget/curl and run a httpd in each machine... and take always the most recent version of files (/etc/hosts, etc) but maybe there is something better already done |
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| 11:43.19 | ch4tt3rbit | or maybe I can replicate my bind+dhcpd setup to all my computers and do conditional starting... (only the first in boot do it) mmm |
| 11:43.58 | ch4tt3rbit | it's an offline network, so i'm not really worried about security there |
| 11:44.26 | Pacma | usbutils package has someone, it causes failure in the usb in the clear |
| 11:44.52 | ch4tt3rbit | failure in the usb is any readable error ? |
| 11:45.32 | Pacma | deleting does not delete physically |
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| 11:46.14 | bolt | How can I figure out which PID is using display ":50.0"? lsof? can't see that information there :( |
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| 11:46.33 | ch4tt3rbit | Pacma: sorry, why do we think it's the usbutils package ? |
| 11:46.46 | Pacma | yesterday was to update the package usbutils |
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| 11:47.48 | Pacma | if correct, but has anyone else happens? |
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| 11:49.18 | Pacma | I think the usbutils package released yesterday is a bug |
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| 11:50.39 | ch4tt3rbit | then maybe Debian people want a bugreport. You can always try the usb disk in other system |
| 11:51.57 | Pacma | safely if the ruling is that package, and works to restore the old |
| 11:52.31 | ch4tt3rbit | bolt: are you still searching something? |
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| 11:55.10 | ch4tt3rbit | xlsclients -l -display 0:50 | awk -F: '/Command/{print $2}' | while read -r c; do printf "$c: "; pgrep "$c"; done |
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| 11:55.48 | ch4tt3rbit | well 50:0 |
| 11:56.21 | Mkaysi | Hi, I am having a small problem with Icedove. When I start it and enter my details, it just tries to detect settings for GMail forever. Terminal flashed some kind of message like "Some applicaltion is trying to connect to insecure port." I think that Debian is preventing Dovecot from connecting somehow. Sorry if this is wrong channel for this, but this looks like Debian issue. |
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| 11:59.18 | bolt | ch4tt3rbit: ah! that's exactly what I need! thanks! |
| 11:59.39 | ch4tt3rbit | Mkaysi: do you know which port is? you can try telnet, netcat, socat, etc to tecst if you can reach the remote port, or even openssl as client if it's gmail |
| 11:59.53 | bolt | ch4tt3rbit: searching for "pid of display" "xorg pid" and such on google is absolutely hopeless. you're awesome! |
| 12:00.09 | ch4tt3rbit | no problem, thanks :) |
| 12:00.38 | ch4tt3rbit | that oneliner is not thinked if there is more than one client running the same command |
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| 12:00.53 | ch4tt3rbit | but sure you can play yo convert it to a script that does it |
| 12:01.01 | ch4tt3rbit | s/yo/to/ |
| 12:01.15 | Mkaysi | ch4tt3rbit: No I don't. It just gives window asking for name, email and password, I click OK and it loads forever. |
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| 12:03.19 | ch4tt3rbit | I've never used Icedove, but it's description says explicit gmail... it's weird if it does not work with right credentials and defaults |
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| 12:04.13 | ch4tt3rbit | just in case, by default, debian does not block any incoming or outgoing tcp or udp port |
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| 12:18.52 | bolt | hmm.. xlsclients helps me figure out if something is using display :0, but not what is using it, as far as i can see :/ |
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| 12:19.01 | bolt | it lists the clients, but not xorg itself, nor its pid |
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| 12:22.37 | bolt | I found there are files generated called /tmp/.Xn-lock, where n is the screen in use. They contain the pid of the process. however, I am unsure how reliable these files are |
| 12:23.10 | bolt | what happens on a system if a user makes a cron job @reboot to touch /tmp/.Xn-lock from n=0 to n=1000000 ? |
| 12:23.16 | bolt | nobodo can start xorg? |
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| 12:23.56 | valdyn | bolt: its probably easier for a saboteur user to just fill the disk |
| 12:24.23 | Mkaysi | Hmm, it seems that the settings are given immediately when I press "stop". Thanks for your help :) |
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| 12:27.15 | Arafangion | WHen using chromium, with LANG=en_AU.UTF-8, why might spell-checking be done with the *american* spelling, and why might most words I write be "correct", yet "spilt" is not a word? |
| 12:27.20 | bolt | valdyn: true that |
| 12:27.44 | bolt | do you know if i can trust those temp files to give me pids of stuff using displays though? |
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| 12:28.07 | valdyn | bolt: if you check the owner |
| 12:28.35 | bolt | I could always follow the check up with xlsclients or similar to see if the process is still running and is still a xorg, xpra or similar type process |
| 12:29.04 | ROKO__ | hm |
| 12:29.05 | bolt | valdyn: why is the owner important? |
| 12:29.06 | ROKO__ | http://dpaste.org/Q9RvU/ |
| 12:29.31 | Arafangion | cross-posts in #chromium. |
| 12:29.36 | valdyn | bolt: if you dont trust root, then you cant trust your whole system |
| 12:29.51 | valdyn | bolt: its obvious that any user can create any tmp file owned by himself |
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| 12:30.11 | bolt | valdyn: I trust root very much. but xpra for instance can hog a display and make its .Xn-lock file as the user |
| 12:30.20 | bolt | valdyn: so root isn't the only valid owner |
| 12:30.24 | valdyn | bolt: or X can crash, yes |
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| 12:33.18 | valdyn | bolt: so anyway you want to fail gracefully when that pid leads nowhere useful |
| 12:33.42 | Arafangion | Or worse, leads to a valid process. |
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| 12:34.42 | tictic | hi! i want to upgrade <lenny->squeeze> |
| 12:34.53 | valdyn | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 12:34.53 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>. |
| 12:34.56 | valdyn | tictic: ^^ |
| 12:35.31 | tictic | thanks |
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| 12:40.40 | fredddd | Normally to get something run daily you put it in /etc/cron.daily right without having to do something else, or am I wrong in thinking that? |
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| 12:41.34 | OldManMagnus | woo. got debian stable working on my netbook. :D |
| 12:41.42 | valdyn | fredddd: if it is a root job, yes. You need to be reasonably careful though as to not name that job something that might conflict with a packaged file |
| 12:42.04 | fredddd | I just run a script with some cmomands. |
| 12:42.23 | fredddd | But it does not seem to do its job. |
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| 12:46.30 | valdyn | fredddd: show us the output for "ls -l /etc/cron.daily/yourscript" and the script contents on a paste site |
| 12:46.42 | fredddd | http://waffl.es/ |
| 12:46.45 | fredddd | Is the output. :3 |
| 12:46.50 | fredddd | I just ran it manually and it worked. |
| 12:47.22 | fredddd | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 46 Jan 13 09:19 /etc/cron.daily/visitor-updater |
| 12:47.41 | valdyn | fredddd: chmod +x /etc/cron.daily/visitor-updater |
| 12:48.04 | fredddd | That fixed it you think? |
| 12:48.17 | valdyn | fredddd: only if that script is not broken aswell |
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| 12:48.41 | fredddd | Thank you. |
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| 12:50.23 | adam8157 | Hi, when Wheezy will release? I use Sid, but I wanna the system more stable on my mother's PC. |
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| 12:52.57 | valdyn | !wwwr |
| 12:52.58 | dpkg | I don't know when Wheezy will release, but I can say that it will be sooner if you help. Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses. The freeze that will lead to the release of Wheezy is currently planned for June 2012. See http://lists.debian.org/20110628183405.GR836@feta.halon.org.uk . |
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| 13:02.58 | gnarface | so i discovered that my optical drive problem is actually a problem inherent with trying to treat VOB files as though they were just mpeg2 files |
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| 13:03.46 | gnarface | so i still don't know how to do this right with ffmpeg, (can't find a camera angle option) but vlc seems to be capable of picking the right one so i'm just gonna try to save/convert from vlc instead |
| 13:04.18 | gnarface | maybe just rip from vlc then convert with ffmpeg |
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| 13:14.50 | samba35 | how do i monitor port 80 /web site request comming to mybox or is being block by any other thing |
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| 13:21.26 | nyu | Hi, I broke MBR and BIOS gives Missing operating system. What can I do? |
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| 13:22.06 | bolt | boot from install cd, select recovery mode |
| 13:22.08 | bolt | reinstall grub |
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| 13:22.30 | nyu | It's an USB stick, but it seems to be unbootable :( |
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| 13:22.56 | nyu | I'll try writing ISO to that USB stick again later. |
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| 13:23.40 | shicy | is here any debian maintainer from Croatia? |
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| 13:27.47 | nyu | Is it possible to send multiple triggers by writing to /proc/sysrq-trigger? I tried `echo 'reissub' > /proc/sysrq-trigger', but that doesn't seem to work. |
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| 13:28.17 | nyu | Also, how come tErminate and kIll are disablec but reBoot isn't? |
| 13:28.32 | nyu | s/disablec/disabled/ |
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| 13:32.03 | skamikaze | nyu: check /etc/sysctl.conf - its's disabled by default on most distros |
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| 13:36.35 | nyu | skamikaze: SysRq itself isn't disabled. |
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| 13:41.07 | skamikaze | nyu: ` echo "1" > /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq ` |
| 13:41.21 | skamikaze | nyu: https://wiki.archlinux.de/title/SysRQ |
| 13:41.47 | nyu | I know, I used Arch before. |
| 13:42.07 | skamikaze | oh ok - sry, got you wrong |
| 13:42.07 | gnarface | ok so for those of you who have been following the saga: vlc actually works right where ffmpeg on raw VOB files fails as far as camera angles however vlc only seems to be able to backup the first 364MB of the movie. |
| 13:42.13 | samba35 | how do i check apache is used/confiure in all pakages |
| 13:42.39 | valdyn | samba35: tell your actual problem |
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| 13:43.25 | samba35 | i have setup a web server but i am not able to get it througth |
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| 13:44.00 | nyu | Is port 80 forwarded? |
| 13:44.10 | samba35 | i have utm/firewall setup where i have configure DNAT and log show its going to linux box but i am not able to get test page |
| 13:44.16 | samba35 | yes |
| 13:44.25 | valdyn | samba35: do you get the test page locally? |
| 13:44.42 | samba35 | yes |
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| 13:44.56 | valdyn | smose: show the output for "netstat -plunt" | grep apache |
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| 13:45.14 | valdyn | smose: show the output for "netstat -plunt | grep apache" even |
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| 13:45.45 | samba35 | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 18944/apache2 |
| 13:46.00 | valdyn | samba35: ok, next show us the output for "iptables -L" on a paste site |
| 13:46.09 | samba35 | ok |
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| 13:46.14 | JBD__ | hi folks, i'm looking for help to allow users to mount network directories |
| 13:46.34 | samba35 | pls wait i have to send it to pastbin |
| 13:46.37 | JBD__ | actually, i got : mount: only root can do that |
| 13:47.03 | gnarface | JBD__: that's expected behavior for mount points not in the fstab |
| 13:47.23 | samba35 | http://pastebin.com/TQnf8deC |
| 13:47.51 | JBD__ | i looked that, but directories are not defined previously, this is on current use |
| 13:47.59 | JBD__ | i can"t add a white list |
| 13:48.20 | Guest34816 | hi, I can't seem to auth to my nick in time required because my internet is so slow. I did aptitude upgrade last week and now my internet stalls every minute or so |
| 13:49.01 | Guest34816 | I rebooted and tried an older kernel but it suffers the same problem (and it used to befine) |
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| 13:49.09 | valdyn | samba35: your DNAT on your router is setup wrongly |
| 13:49.20 | Guest34816 | Does anyone know how I can investigate / solve this please? |
| 13:49.36 | samba35 | ic |
| 13:49.36 | Guest34816 | Other devices / OS / telephones on the wifi network don't suffer from the issue |
| 13:49.46 | gnarface | JBD__: other options include: maybe there's a group in debian that will allow this safely and without raw harddrive access (but i doubt it) or sudo (you can have sudo just allow specific commands/command templates) |
| 13:50.17 | valdyn | samba35: you can try clearing your iptables using "iptables --flush", but I dont think i missed an error there, so -> its your router's DNAT |
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| 13:50.44 | JBD__ | sudo... i used it on ubuntu, i didn't know it was too on debian |
| 13:51.03 | JBD__ | thanks, i'll look this way |
| 13:51.26 | gnarface | JBD__: actually you'd be hard pressed to find any non-windows operating system that sudo is not available for. that's the popular solution in corporate environments. |
| 13:51.27 | samba35 | firewall showing it is forwarding traffic to linux |
| 13:51.42 | JBD__ | :D |
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| 13:51.49 | Guest34816 | I can't see anything useful, relevent in /var/logs |
| 13:52.09 | valdyn | samba35: double check that IP |
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| 13:52.30 | samba35 | Connection using NAT TCP |
| 13:52.31 | samba35 | 192.168.3.125 : 57252 |
| 13:52.31 | samba35 | → |
| 13:52.31 | samba35 | mypublcic ip : 80 |
| 13:52.31 | samba35 | |
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| 13:52.52 | valdyn | hah |
| 13:53.39 | gnarface | i hate it from that happen |
| 13:53.41 | gnarface | s |
| 13:54.51 | Guest34816 | can anyone read these messages or am I silent til I auth to services please? |
| 13:55.07 | valdyn | Guest34816: we can see |
| 13:55.12 | gnarface | so... anyone got advice on extracting an audio track and just ONE camera angle from a VOB? dvdbackup seems to do an ok job of extracting the VOBs and *recognizing* how many camera angles they contain but it doesn't give you any way to actually pick one. i can't seem to figure out how to do this with ffmpeg either but i'm assuming this is a lack of documentation on the matter rather than an actual lack of a feature |
| 13:55.16 | Guest34816 | thank you |
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| 13:56.21 | samba35 | sorry i thouth it will be one line |
| 13:56.36 | gnarface | common first-time mistake |
| 13:56.39 | gnarface | use pastebin |
| 13:56.45 | gnarface | or paste.debian.net |
| 13:56.56 | valdyn | samba35: 57252 looks like the target port number and its not 80 |
| 13:57.01 | mBull | hi, I have a general question. I'm a student in system and networking administration. And I need to chose a subject for my thesis (system / server administration) but I don't have a clue about what to do. Anyone has some good ideas, about what is possible to complete in 3 months time? |
| 13:57.26 | samba35 | yes ,i rember that if you saw mysome time back post i requested to wait and saying that i will post it with pastbin |
| 13:57.29 | gnarface | oh this will be fun |
| 13:57.43 | gnarface | watch me (no college degree) give a grad student his thesis topic |
| 13:57.58 | samba35 | i check that also with telnet |
| 13:58.00 | gnarface | mBull: i say address the topic of security |
| 13:58.03 | samba35 | its port 80 |
| 13:58.11 | valdyn | samba35: no, 57252 is not 80 |
| 13:58.15 | gnarface | mBull: or rather, the vast lack of it |
| 13:58.45 | samba35 | sorry that is my source port |
| 13:59.25 | valdyn | mBull: my brother did something like "sacalability and performance of htb" |
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| 13:59.43 | valdyn | mBull: oh "and implementation in linux" |
| 14:00.06 | samba35 | is there any other way |
| 14:00.16 | valdyn | ( i guess theres already been plenty papers about htb, so the implementation part might have been the interesting part |
| 14:00.40 | valdyn | samba35: what *other* way |
| 14:00.59 | samba35 | any other work around |
| 14:01.01 | mBull | valdyn, gnarface: well it's not realy a thesis, but a project (like create a fully automated web hosting company), openldab, etc,... and we need to write a paper for it |
| 14:01.14 | valdyn | samba35: when you direct web traffic to a random part, you usually dont get a response |
| 14:01.23 | valdyn | samba35: s/part/port/ |
| 14:01.42 | samba35 | i am sorry i am not a native english speaker |
| 14:01.43 | valdyn | mBull: so this isnt really academic? |
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| 14:01.52 | mBull | higher education not uni |
| 14:02.04 | gnarface | mBull: is this supposed to be a howto or more of an advocacy statement about open source approaches? |
| 14:02.06 | mBull | (bachelor degree not uni) |
| 14:02.20 | mBull | open source approaches are prefered |
| 14:02.30 | samba35 | with DNAT i am using static port 80 |
| 14:02.36 | JBD__ | it works, thanks :) |
| 14:02.48 | valdyn | samba35: maybe what you pasted was useless then |
| 14:02.49 | mBull | my teacher is Linux to the bone :) |
| 14:03.07 | samba35 | ic |
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| 14:03.09 | valdyn | samba35: anyway, your router is not really #debian anyway |
| 14:03.14 | dondelelcaro | mBull: there are all sorts of things that would be useful; the best would be if your "thesis" could also be turned into documentation for the project. |
| 14:03.16 | samba35 | yes |
| 14:03.35 | dondelelcaro | mBull: I'd also consider finding something that is already existing, and work on extending/fixing it, etc. |
| 14:03.36 | valdyn | mBull: tbh, I think you should ask the teacher about what he wants |
| 14:03.56 | dondelelcaro | mBull: but your best bet is to talk to your teacher, and talk to projects in the area that you're interested in doing stuff. |
| 14:04.25 | mBull | valdyn: he said before the starts of my exam, it's your choice (if it has a challenge in it) but it needs to be fully working in the end |
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| 14:04.48 | mBull | I'm very intrested in security |
| 14:05.12 | valdyn | mBull: yea, the teachers/profs/faculties I know have dozens of suggestions on their webpages |
| 14:05.35 | mBull | they don't in Belgium :) |
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| 14:07.59 | bolt | touch a; while IFS= read -r -d '' user file; do echo user=$user file=$file; done < <(find . -type f -printf '%u\0%p\0') |
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| 14:08.13 | bolt | why doesn't read read both user and file at the same time here? |
| 14:08.19 | bolt | it prints two lines :( |
| 14:08.21 | Macer | ugh |
| 14:08.33 | Macer | there is no thumb drive img for hurd debian? |
| 14:09.14 | gnarface | Macer: is that a trick question? the current cd-rom ISO is now also the thumb drive image. i've never tried hurd with debian yet though |
| 14:09.35 | Macer | oh really? |
| 14:09.50 | Macer | so i can cat img.iso /dev/sdx? |
| 14:09.55 | nyu | !etch->wheezy |
| 14:09.58 | Macer | or dd it ? |
| 14:10.09 | nyu | It asked me am I using Windows ;) |
| 14:10.16 | gnarface | Macer: yep. you could even cp [installer iso] /dev/sdX |
| 14:10.30 | Macer | oh wow.. did not know that |
| 14:10.30 | nyu | When I asked it in a query |
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| 14:10.34 | gnarface | Macer: i shit you not. though i've no idea how they accomplished it they're now "universal images" |
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| 14:10.42 | Macer | gnarface: thanks |
| 14:10.59 | mBull | and what would be a nice automatisation job, what do you sysadmins find a challenge in openldab ie? |
| 14:11.02 | bolt | nyu: it will when there's no factoid with that name. you have to go through all the releases in between, or things are very likely to break horribly |
| 14:11.30 | gnarface | Macer: your hardware will still need to be capable of booting from USB obviously (a rare thing for anything made before about 2005) but i assume you know that |
| 14:11.40 | Macer | yeah |
| 14:11.53 | Macer | but i did not know i can just cp the iso to the dev |
| 14:11.59 | Macer | well.. dev file |
| 14:12.06 | gnarface | Macer: that's a new feature as of squeeze (6.0) |
| 14:12.08 | nyu | bolt: I know, I'm using wheezy/sid already ;) I upgraded from squeeze |
| 14:12.21 | Arafangion | Macer: That wasn't always the case, either. |
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| 14:12.32 | Macer | so cp netinst.iso /dev/sdq is all i have to do? |
| 14:12.44 | Arafangion | Macer: For images designed for that, with bioses that support it. |
| 14:12.50 | gnarface | Macer: yep. |
| 14:12.55 | Macer | wow |
| 14:12.59 | Macer | that is awesome |
| 14:13.04 | gnarface | Macer: i've tried it myself. its like magic. |
| 14:13.09 | Macer | yeah lol |
| 14:13.16 | Macer | i was looking for an image.gz |
| 14:13.26 | bolt | nyu: i hardly think installing non-stable software is an upgrade, but whatever floats your boat... |
| 14:13.34 | Macer | maybe someone should add that to the install page ;) |
| 14:13.50 | Arafangion | Macer: Debian already documents how to use USB installers. |
| 14:13.50 | Macer | for hurd/mach |
| 14:13.56 | Arafangion | Oh, for hurd. |
| 14:14.05 | Macer | Arafangion: yeah. i am using hurd |
| 14:14.13 | Macer | i wanted to try it out |
| 14:14.14 | nyu | bolt: Well, it isn't a downgrade either :) |
| 14:14.34 | Arafangion | wonders if Hurd is still maintained. |
| 14:14.41 | Macer | it is lol |
| 14:14.51 | jelly-home | !hurd |
| 14:14.51 | dpkg | GNU Hurd (<HIRD> of Unix-Replacing Daemons) is a POSIX-compatible collection of servers which run on the Mach microkernel. It is the GNU project's replacement for the Unix kernel. http://hurd.gnu.org/ #hurd on irc.freenode.net. For the Debian GNU/Hurd port (not officially released), see http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ #debian-hurd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:14.53 | gnarface | maintained, yes. supported... hell no. |
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| 14:15.06 | Macer | it would be nice to wean the world off linux |
| 14:15.15 | jelly-home | ^^ the channel |
| 14:15.18 | Macer | gnarface: heh.. it is fairly "new" |
| 14:15.20 | Arafangion | Macer: I'm not sure if Hurd's the answer, though. |
| 14:15.46 | jelly-home | kfreebsd will be more usable |
| 14:15.47 | gnarface | Macer: Mach kernels aren't the way to go unless Linux becomes a patent scorched earth. |
| 14:16.07 | gnarface | Macer: Mach kernels have serious throughput issues that make them highly impractical for server tasks |
| 14:16.38 | Macer | gnarface: i thought that was the point of the hurd "servers" which run on top of the mach kernel |
| 14:16.39 | gnarface | admittedly is talking out his ass here |
| 14:16.46 | Macer | lol |
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| 14:17.18 | Macer | well... i would still like to see how it is going.. if it doesnt work i will just install debian linux like a good little boy |
| 14:17.26 | Macer | assimilate or die |
| 14:17.46 | basso | resistance is futile? |
| 14:17.53 | gnarface | doesn't debian linux support installing hurd+other non linux-kernels (like the kbsd one) in tandem with the linux kernels? so you can just reboot to switch back and forth? |
| 14:18.07 | Macer | gnarface: no idea |
| 14:18.08 | gnarface | i thought that was the point |
| 14:18.16 | Macer | but that would help |
| 14:18.26 | Macer | i have to read more about it |
| 14:18.27 | Arafangion | Man, I can't even find a web-browsable copy of the Hurd code that has age and authors. |
| 14:18.32 | gnarface | Macer: i think that's the point. how well it works i can't say. i actually rather like the linux kernel, probably because i don't have to code for it. |
| 14:18.46 | Arafangion | They're missing in http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/?root=hurd |
| 14:19.05 | Macer | Arafangion: nobody wants to put their name on it lol |
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| 14:19.22 | gnarface | is there a debian hurd channel like there's a #debian-kbsd on OFTC? |
| 14:19.22 | Macer | their cs professor might kick them out of school |
| 14:19.36 | samba35 | valdyn, i tryed to run tcpdump please check pastebin |
| 14:19.40 | samba35 | http://pastebin.com/n78ZkXKr |
| 14:19.46 | Arafangion | Macer: And the git repo for hurd.git has *two commits*. |
| 14:19.53 | gnarface | haha |
| 14:20.06 | gnarface | question: are both commits EVERY FUCKING FILE? |
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| 14:20.13 | samba35 | i think traffic is comming to linux but not passsing block by some other thing |
| 14:20.16 | Macer | :) well it took them 20 years to make a kernel |
| 14:20.27 | Arafangion | gnarface: No, it seems to be the README. |
| 14:20.27 | Macer | so swapping from cvs to git might have taken 5 |
| 14:20.28 | gnarface | samba35: its apathy. not mysterious |
| 14:20.37 | gnarface | Arafangion: haha |
| 14:20.39 | Arafangion | http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/hurd.git/log/ |
| 14:20.52 | samba35 | sorry i did not get |
| 14:20.56 | Arafangion | Ah, that was the meta-package. |
| 14:21.07 | Macer | maybe linus is working with them in secret! |
| 14:21.10 | jelly-home | gnarface: #debian-hurd on irc.oftc.net -- bot said 5 minutes ago |
| 14:21.24 | gnarface | jelly-home: thanks. Macer ^^^^^^ |
| 14:21.28 | Macer | oh |
| 14:21.31 | Arafangion | http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/hurd/hurd.git/log/ <-- That actually looks reasonable... Looks like dev has gone up *a lot* since I last looked at it. |
| 14:21.34 | Macer | oftc.net? |
| 14:21.36 | Arafangion | With mroe than one person. |
| 14:21.53 | jelly-home | Macer: not freenode. |
| 14:22.09 | gnarface | Macer: yea. there's several debian channels over there too. i recommend getting an irc client that has a UI tuned for multiple channels+networks |
| 14:22.19 | Macer | :-P |
| 14:22.37 | jelly-home | Macer: irc.debian.org = irc.oftc.net |
| 14:22.38 | gnarface | is in anywhere from 6 to 10 irc channels depending on the day |
| 14:22.44 | Macer | i'm in irssi |
| 14:22.50 | Macer | lol |
| 14:22.53 | gnarface | Macer: xchat? |
| 14:22.56 | Macer | i think i will be ok |
| 14:23.27 | jelly-home | it seems most experienced users use irssi these days |
| 14:23.39 | Macer | and tmux :-P |
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| 14:23.59 | Macer | screen is so yesterday |
| 14:24.06 | nyu | is using WeeChat |
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| 14:24.30 | Macer | nyu: i tried it. not bad but had issues on smaller screens like my n900 |
| 14:24.50 | Macer | mostly term basded issues moving from one to another |
| 14:24.57 | Macer | based |
| 14:25.26 | Macer | seemed pretty good tho.. but irssi is the best |
| 14:25.33 | Macer | or epicii :) |
| 14:26.21 | Macer | or ircii with leet scripts like v3n0m :-P |
| 14:27.09 | Macer | let me get this thumb drive and prepare emotionally for this hurd debian install |
| 14:27.22 | Macer | which i am sure will fail |
| 14:27.40 | Macer | bacardi ready |
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| 14:27.55 | Arafangion | jelly-home: Some of us use emacs. |
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| 14:31.02 | Macer | haha. emacs users are great :) |
| 14:31.25 | Macer | i never saw people take such pride in configuring anything like people who use emacs |
| 14:31.57 | Macer | it is almost borderline ocd |
| 14:32.37 | nyu | Vim is better |
| 14:32.37 | Arafangion | Macer: Why use tmux if you have emacs. ;) |
| 14:32.50 | Arafangion | nyu: Yeah, it's an editor. I run it in emacs. :) |
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| 14:37.22 | Macer | well.. that didn't boot |
| 14:37.36 | Macer | Arafangion: lol |
| 14:37.45 | Macer | wth |
| 14:38.09 | Macer | maybe the bios is acting flakey. it saw the thumb drive |
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| 14:39.27 | Macer | you sure i can just cp the iso to the thumb drive? :) |
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| 14:40.12 | gnarface | Macer: well to be sure you should show me the link to the file, but it has worked for me with squeeze i386 and squeeze amd64 on multiple very different machines |
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| 14:40.29 | Arafangion | Always works fine for me on modern systems, too. |
| 14:40.43 | gnarface | Macer: you're just getting the regular businesscard or netboot iso for your proper arch right? maybe you should verify which cpu you have. |
| 14:40.48 | nyu | I know thi |
| 14:40.54 | Macer | yes |
| 14:40.59 | Macer | it is a via C7 |
| 14:41.04 | Macer | x86 based |
| 14:41.09 | gnarface | wow C7 huh |
| 14:41.11 | nyu | I know this is crazy, but how much would Debian break if I upgraded from Hamm to Sid? |
| 14:41.15 | Macer | yeah heh |
| 14:41.24 | Macer | it's an artigo a1000.. small embedded system |
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| 14:41.26 | gnarface | Macer: i thought they were mythical |
| 14:41.27 | nyu | can't resist not trying it |
| 14:41.28 | Arafangion | nyu: Upgarded? |
| 14:41.37 | Arafangion | nyu: Why is that an upgrade? |
| 14:41.38 | Macer | i want to use it because it is low power |
| 14:41.39 | nyu | I'll try it in a virtual machine. |
| 14:41.48 | Macer | but yeah. this isn't booting :) |
| 14:42.05 | gnarface | Macer: you're using this image then? |
| 14:42.07 | nyu | Arfagnion: Ignore the fact that Sid isn't an upgrade. |
| 14:42.15 | Macer | the one on the hurd cd page |
| 14:42.18 | Arafangion | nyu: I'm trying. |
| 14:43.02 | Arafangion | nyu: In any case, solve the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, and then you'll know the answer to that question. :) |
| 14:43.11 | Macer | http://people.debian.org/~sthibault/hurd-i386/installer/cdimage/current/ |
| 14:43.13 | technologov | nym, easily... |
| 14:43.28 | gnarface | Macer: have you tried a regular linux kernel one just for comparison to make sure its not a kernel compatibility issue and actually the installer itself? |
| 14:43.34 | technologov | nym, Debian has "meta-packages", which let you upg one version only (maybe 2) |
| 14:43.44 | Macer | gnarface: not yet.. but i am going to ;) |
| 14:43.55 | gnarface | Macer: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-i386-netinst.iso this is the one i kept thinking you used |
| 14:44.03 | technologov | nym, Debian does not hold scripts and meta-packages to upgrade from v2.x to v.7.x in one jump |
| 14:44.14 | gnarface | Macer: maybe try installing that and then installing a hurd kernel into it |
| 14:44.18 | Macer | but i am positive it will work if i use linux.. i have installed debian from the same thumb drive before |
| 14:44.25 | gnarface | oh |
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| 14:44.41 | nyu | technologov: Ok. By the way, my nick is nyu, not nym. Think of New York University's initials, but I don't have anything to do with it :) |
| 14:44.45 | Macer | i am sure it would boot had i an optical drive |
| 14:44.54 | Arafangion | nyu: Why don't you install a new system, Normally you upgrade debian systems one release at a time. |
| 14:45.09 | Macer | but the artigo requires either i rip it open and put an ide atapter on it or that i use a usb optical drive |
| 14:45.12 | Arafangion | nyu: And then if going to Syd, I'd go to Syd from the most recent stable. |
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| 14:45.36 | Macer | the hurd image probably doesn't let you copy it over the way the linux image does |
| 14:45.49 | nyu | Arafangion: I already have a Sid running which was upgraded from Squeeze. I'm simply wondering what would be result of trying to "upgrade" Hamm to Sid. |
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| 14:46.34 | nyu | It is Sid, not Syd. |
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| 14:46.52 | Arafangion | nyu: Squeeze is a heck a lot newer than Hamm, though. (Ah, don't know how I typoed that...) |
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| 14:47.28 | nyu | I know, Hamm is Debian 2.0 and Debian 1.0 was never released. |
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| 14:49.55 | gnarface | my directv tuner has a usb port |
| 14:50.18 | gnarface | oh what i would give to just be able to copy shows to it directly instead of having to record them over the analog output |
| 14:50.28 | Macer | hm. the usb drive is iso9660 |
| 14:50.34 | Macer | from the direct cp of the iso |
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| 14:50.53 | gnarface | Macer: its mountable? |
| 14:50.54 | Macer | i wonder if that would matter |
| 14:50.57 | Macer | yes |
| 14:51.03 | Macer | i have it mounted right now |
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| 14:51.23 | Macer | the artigo is trying to boot it as a disk |
| 14:51.34 | Macer | i wonder if that would make a difference |
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| 14:52.43 | Arafangion | Macer: As a *floppy* disk? |
| 14:52.48 | Arafangion | Macer: Or as a CD? |
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| 14:53.17 | Macer | hard drive |
| 14:53.29 | Arafangion | Macer: That's good, then. |
| 14:53.38 | Arafangion | Macer: Usual BIOS quirk. |
| 14:53.48 | Macer | yeah |
| 14:54.01 | Macer | but the direct cp yielded a non-bootable thumb drive |
| 14:54.06 | Macer | with a broken partition table |
| 14:54.30 | Macer | something is missing |
| 14:54.42 | Macer | ah well.. let me just install linux.. i don't really feel like messing with this for too long |
| 14:54.58 | Arafangion | Macer: Now that you mention it, I copied it to the *Device*, not as a file on that partition. |
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| 14:55.16 | Macer | i did too |
| 14:55.22 | Macer | i copied straight to /dev/sdq |
| 14:55.32 | Arafangion | Odd. |
| 14:55.37 | Macer | agreed |
| 14:55.49 | Macer | let me see if someone i know has a usb optical drive i can use |
| 14:55.54 | Macer | i will just make an actual physical disc |
| 14:55.58 | Macer | ugh this is so 1999 |
| 14:56.32 | nyu | dpkg is a she :O |
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| 14:56.32 | dpkg | nyu: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 14:56.33 | Macer | last time i had an adapter for the usb port and an ide cable running from a tower's dvd drive |
| 14:56.54 | Macer | that was ghetto |
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| 14:57.13 | Macer | i never should have sold my damn optical drive with my old aspire1 lol |
| 14:58.39 | loop | lol |
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| 15:04.24 | Macer | wth |
| 15:04.31 | Macer | cat is not being very friendly :) |
| 15:04.45 | Macer | oh crap... oops |
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| 15:08.20 | Macer | OK.. ets try this again :) |
| 15:08.32 | Macer | nope :( |
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| 15:12.51 | nyu | Where are factoid edit requests sent to? |
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| 15:16.51 | Macer | grrrr |
| 15:17.08 | Macer | now after zcating the linux image the thumb drive isn't being detected by the bios |
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| 15:17.19 | Macer | takes a breath and just goes to get a damn optical drive |
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| 15:19.21 | themill | nyu: what are you suggesting? |
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| 15:20.39 | gnarface | Macer: how sure are you the hurd image is even working for your hardware? maybe there is a bug in the kernel configuration not in the image itself? |
| 15:22.34 | bolt | can root somehow override xauth to allow stuff like xrandr to query a server? |
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| 15:24.56 | nyu | themill: Editing factoid 'yes' |
| 15:25.23 | nyu | dpkg said 'okay, nyu' but now it has no clue about 'yes' |
| 15:25.23 | dpkg | nyu: are you using Windows? |
| 15:25.32 | nyu | dpkg: No |
| 15:25.32 | dpkg | No Offense, or den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users. |
| 15:25.49 | loop | oh man thats just wrong |
| 15:25.49 | themill | nyu: what are you on about? |
| 15:26.05 | loop | nyu are you james franco? |
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| 15:29.29 | nyu | What? |
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| 15:34.18 | chesti | hi :) |
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| 15:34.34 | koko_ | hello |
| 15:35.17 | engla | does the debian installer iso have cgdisk or another tool for GPT partitions? (macintel) |
| 15:35.24 | chesti | is here anyone familiar with debian on ia64? |
| 15:35.40 | koko_ | please someone are already used pepperspot ? |
| 15:35.47 | dvs | chesti: you have an Itanium? |
| 15:35.48 | Vespakoen | Hey guys! does anybody know if i can log a user into Gnome via ssh |
| 15:35.51 | abrotman | chesti: just ask .. |
| 15:36.02 | koko_ | i have comme difficulty to start in my network |
| 15:36.07 | themill | chesti: do you really really mean ia64? |
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| 15:36.44 | chesti | i dont have any specific question - i want to exchange experiences |
| 15:36.56 | chesti | themill: yes real itanium stuff :) |
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| 15:37.41 | chesti | zx6000 hp workstation |
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| 15:38.04 | chesti | quite cheap nowdays |
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| 15:44.03 | Vespakoen | I have got a debian machine running somewhere else, i have ssh access to it, it also has Teamviewer on there, wich starts when the use logs in (it uses wine), when i start teamviewer from the console it doenst work properly, so i want to log the user in x11 via SSH, does anybody know if thats possible? |
| 15:44.30 | Vespakoen | like, if i was on that machine i would login via the gnome login window, thats what i want to do but then via ssh |
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| 15:45.33 | chesti | Vespakoen: yes it is |
| 15:45.46 | chesti | yo u want to log in using win or linux box? |
| 15:46.36 | Vespakoen | mac |
| 15:46.38 | Vespakoen | (unix) |
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| 15:47.17 | Vespakoen | oh i just want to control the x11 from remote, so i can use an editor etc =P not so familiar with vim / nano |
| 15:47.20 | Worf | Vespakoen: also i'm confused about the mentioning of wine in that context ... |
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| 15:47.49 | Vespakoen | well all that matters is, i want to access the linux machine via Teamviewer (simple Remote desktop program) |
| 15:48.15 | chesti | Vespakoen: i`m not familiar with mac but as far it is freebsd you should have set X11 forwarding in sshd of reomte machine and log in using -X switch |
| 15:48.17 | themill | Vespakoen: all you need is the ability to forward X connections, you don't actually need teamviewer in there at all. /msg dpkg sshx |
| 15:48.20 | Vespakoen | but when i start Teamviewer via ssh, and try to login from my mac, it connects but cannot proceed, probably because x11 isnt started |
| 15:49.03 | Vespakoen | yeh i read that somewhere on the net, but i thought it would be easier if i could just start X11 for that remote user and proceed by logging in via teamviewer |
| 15:49.08 | chesti | check first if you can display xclock or other simple app to check if x forwaarding works ok |
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| 15:49.43 | Vespakoen | apt-get install sshx ? |
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| 15:50.00 | Worf | Vespakoen: just to be sure we don't talk in circles - what is the ... "goal"? ( as in - what do you want to do, as in - workflow ) |
| 15:50.02 | chesti | Vespakoen: pleas write more whats wrong under temviewer? |
| 15:51.08 | Vespakoen | ok, so the remote machine (debian) is started, but not logged into x11 |
| 15:51.09 | chesti | Vespakoen: no i mean that you should do ->> shell$ ssh -X user@host |
| 15:51.19 | Vespakoen | ah ok let me try that first |
| 15:51.32 | Vespakoen | ok ia m in /usr/bin/xauth: creating new authority file /home/server/.Xauthority |
| 15:51.33 | Vespakoen | server@debian:~$ |
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| 15:51.53 | chesti | try xclock |
| 15:51.59 | Vespakoen | cool! |
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| 15:52.02 | Vespakoen | that works |
| 15:52.21 | Vespakoen | can i also just run the whole x11 ? |
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| 15:52.36 | themill | Vespakoen: no, you just run whatever application you need |
| 15:52.39 | Vespakoen | or gnome or desktop, sorry for my termonoligies |
| 15:52.43 | Vespakoen | i see |
| 15:53.13 | gnarface | Vespakoen: the remote system does NOT require x11 to be running at all. it only requires some libs to be present. if you want to access a whole running desktop you want to use something like vnc (but i recommend adapting your purposes to not need that. its unecessary unless you're uncreative) |
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| 15:53.38 | Vespakoen | true |
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| 15:53.59 | Worf | i agree. ( that was the reason for my question what your actual "goal" is ) |
| 15:54.01 | chesti | vnc should be fine but still please explain what exacly problem do you have inside teamviewer |
| 15:54.02 | Vespakoen | so using gedit works pretty nice for me, thanks a lot! |
| 15:54.21 | Vespakoen | nah fuck teamviewer ssh -X is better =P |
| 15:54.34 | gnarface | that's the spirit |
| 15:54.40 | chesti | lol |
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| 15:55.27 | gnarface | prefers not to replace 90's solutions to 80's problems with bloated shit from 2011 |
| 15:56.04 | chesti | teamviewer is very nice app when it works :) |
| 15:56.07 | gnarface | if you ever have to do it the OTHER way around though (administer a mac os X system from a linux box) vnc is just about vital |
| 15:56.16 | Vespakoen | whats the name for the file browser application in debian ? |
| 15:56.26 | gnarface | there are a few. |
| 15:56.29 | chesti | mc :) |
| 15:56.42 | gnarface | nautilus and mc come to mind |
| 15:56.47 | gnarface | uses emacs |
| 15:56.48 | Vespakoen | haha yeah, but then i will have to learn 100 key combinations =P |
| 15:56.58 | Vespakoen | nautilus is good for now =P |
| 15:57.47 | chesti | loool : "but then i will have to learn 100 key combinations =P" now i know what i`m paid for :) |
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| 15:59.03 | dvs | !tell langkid1 about away |
| 15:59.16 | langkid1 | ?? |
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| 15:59.32 | langkid1 | dvs, a nick change is too much!? |
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| 16:00.27 | Worf | Vespakoen: there also is konqueror, dolphin, pcmanfm ... |
| 16:00.47 | langkid1 | is dvs a bot? |
| 16:00.52 | Vespakoen | thanks mates! |
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| 16:01.11 | dvs | langkid1: nope |
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| 16:04.11 | grayghost | how can I change the uuid of a partition ... I copied a partition and have two the same ? |
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| 16:05.52 | chesti | grayghost: i found yhis : |
| 16:06.09 | chesti | uuidgen tune2fs /dev/hdaX -U numbergeneratedbyuuidgen |
| 16:06.25 | chesti | wrong |
| 16:06.51 | chesti | first uuidgen |
| 16:06.56 | chesti | than rest :) |
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| 16:07.08 | grayghost | i found that too ... I have been trying for an hour to install the neccesary parts |
| 16:07.09 | Worf | which probably means that the uuid is a filesystem thing, not a partition thing. so the tools are probably filesystem specific |
| 16:07.12 | chesti | copy/paste didnt go right |
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| 16:11.18 | rly | %adm ALL=NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/apache2 stop |
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| 16:11.39 | rly | I have that entry, but sudo still asks for a password when I do sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 stop |
| 16:11.43 | rly | Why does it do that? |
| 16:12.09 | jkyle_ | I want to put some packages together for internal use and would like them to conform to "the debian way" as far as proper conventions for conf files, etc. |
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| 16:12.50 | jkyle_ | is this a good place to start: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
| 16:12.57 | jkyle_ | and hopefully finish, :P |
| 16:13.58 | zaltekk | did pianobar break for anyone else a few days ago? |
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| 16:14.29 | rly | Never mind. |
| 16:14.32 | themill | zaltekk: did you check the bts? |
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| 16:14.47 | zaltekk | after a station is selected and it tries to obtain a playlist and then fails with Error: Playlist end. |
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| 16:15.16 | zaltekk | themill: i checked the upstream |
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| 16:15.54 | criminull | anyone tell me why when i install network-manager i don't got nm-applet with it? |
| 16:17.26 | themill | criminull: network-manager is a daemon; nm-applet is only one frontend that you could use to control it. |
| 16:17.33 | JyZyXEL | # ddrescue /dev/sdc1 /dev/sda1 ddr.log |
| 16:17.35 | JyZyXEL | ddrescue: Output file exists and is not a regular file. |
| 16:17.58 | criminull | yeah i know, but i thought nm-applet came with that package |
| 16:18.09 | JyZyXEL | any ideas? |
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| 16:20.03 | JyZyXEL | `--force' Force overwrite of output file. Needed when the output file is not a regular file, but a device or partition. |
| 16:20.10 | themill | criminull: that would mean that anyone who wanted to use network-manager would end up installing a lot of gnome, and that's clearly not desirable. apt-file is your friend, /msg dpkg apt-file. |
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| 16:21.39 | criminull | ok thanks themill, i'll remember that, found it though....it comes with network-manager-gnome |
| 16:21.47 | themill | indeed. |
| 16:23.15 | JyZyXEL | sometimes it gets confusing cause there are multiple ddrescues :( |
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| 16:24.14 | perolsen | JyZyXEL: Yes, I've seen a version that prompts overwrite of the destination or not |
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| 16:24.25 | perolsen | ddrescue-1.14 |
| 16:24.35 | JyZyXEL | i've always used the one that doesn't |
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| 16:25.58 | zaltekk | ah, looks like the pianobar issue is in the debian bug tracker and not the upstream one |
| 16:26.05 | zaltekk | although there is already a fix on github |
| 16:27.19 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Is there any way to replace `gzip` with `pigz` system wide? |
| 16:29.11 | perolsen | hid3: Maybe this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=518583 |
| 16:30.02 | perolsen | hid3: Another option is a symbolic link but an upgrade of the gzip package might overwrite the link |
| 16:30.20 | hid3 | yeah. |
| 16:30.30 | hid3 | Besides, I should control the existance of the symlink, etc |
| 16:30.44 | hid3 | I'd like to have a clean hack instead of some dirty hacks, aliasses, etc... |
| 16:30.57 | hid3 | can I just remove/purge gzip package? |
| 16:31.00 | oznt | i have laptop which can do wake on lan when I shut it down from the windows xp, but if i shut it from Debian, it won't boot from magic packets or anything |
| 16:31.08 | hid3 | (it asks wether it should do as I say...) |
| 16:31.21 | oznt | i've been trying for more the 4 hours to solve it and i am quite lost, and full of hate to HP and M$... |
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| 16:33.38 | hid3 | looks like XZ is the best and we're still stuck with gzip for system-wide log compression, etc :( |
| 16:33.48 | hid3 | old-schoolish.. |
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| 16:34.30 | gnarface | hid3: gz is fast |
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| 16:35.50 | perolsen | gnarface: http://zlib.net/pigz/ |
| 16:35.51 | gnarface | hid3: xz from what i understand is only notably better for directories with lots of redundant content at different levels of the tree (i.e., a mess) - an optimization which single-log-files cannot benefit from |
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| 16:36.58 | hid3 | Okay, it might be. But still, having 8 core system and using gzip (which is only able to use maximum one core at best case scenarion) is kinda obsolette |
| 16:37.05 | hid3 | pigz should be able to replace it |
| 16:37.08 | gnarface | hid3: but i'm not an authoritative source, i just remember someone posting file size benchmarks in channel a while back and that was the conclusion |
| 16:37.11 | hid3 | it's strange no one cared about that |
| 16:37.35 | gnarface | eh |
| 16:37.48 | gnarface | people with money for mult-core systems aren't sweating the overhead of compressing their log files, i think |
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| 16:39.19 | gnarface | hid3: i'm not saying you don't have a point, but sometimes "has worked fine for 15 years" trumps half-second optimizations in things that happen once a day at most |
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| 16:39.47 | hid3 | Yeah. I recall times of having two processor system and there were no publically available SMP kernel. "Custom kernel??? Why might you need one?!" everyone asked. |
| 16:40.17 | gnarface | the bulk of linux support is behind commodity hardware |
| 16:40.22 | hid3 | BTW, I still compile my own custom kernles to date since I like it and I really know what I'm doing |
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| 16:45.23 | hid3 | well, I ended up doing the dirty move and symlink hack |
| 16:45.26 | jhutchins | It's funny when people who've seen two or three releases of Linux start talking about how long they've been involved. |
| 16:47.32 | themill | hid3: why not configure logrotate to use pigz? |
| 16:48.19 | hid3 | themill: some more scripts use `tar czf, tar cjf` too, so I'd better replace something in once place |
| 16:49.06 | themill | hid3: (but I have to say that I agree wth gnarface here that you've spent a lot of time optimising something that will never pay back that time...) |
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| 16:53.01 | IceWewe | I'm following the Debian OpenLDAPSetup guide and I'm trying to get Apache Directory Studio to connect. Apache DS website says "check slapd.conf" for bind DN, but there is no slapd.conf on debian and I can't find it in slapd.d |
| 16:53.13 | gnarface | ugh i hate that shit |
| 16:53.46 | gnarface | IceWewe: its out of date. the config is now stored by default in basepath 'cn=config' |
| 16:54.02 | IceWewe | so it's in /etc/ldap/slapd.d/cn=config ? |
| 16:54.35 | IceWewe | Found it! auth by dn="cn=admin,dc=example,dc=com" |
| 16:54.36 | gnarface | IceWewe: in a sense, yes i think. i doubt you can edit it successfully by hand though |
| 16:54.46 | IceWewe | I don't want to edit it, just know what it is :) |
| 16:55.14 | gnarface | those docs are badly in need of updating |
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| 16:55.38 | IceWewe | if I knew *anything* about LDAP I'd offer to help update them |
| 16:55.43 | IceWewe | but, since I'm a total noob... |
| 16:56.16 | hid3 | themill: it might be. But I did better, not worse :) Besides, bored today. |
| 16:56.48 | gnarface | IceWewe: its sort of a catch-22 problem. nobody who isn't a total noob on that project has anything short of annihilating contempt for anyone who IS enough of a noob to actually NEED accurate documentation |
| 16:56.49 | themill | hid3: run "rc-alert" and "wnpp-alert" to find some things to do... |
| 16:56.58 | file-exists-p | I definitely do not understand ipv6 ip addresses. when I do ifconfig, I see an ipv6 ip, but there are two consecutive ':' and ping6 refuses to ping it |
| 16:57.16 | gnarface | IceWewe: also, from what i can tell they hate debian too |
| 16:57.23 | file-exists-p | on another machines (mine at home), ifconfig shows an ipv6 ip and I can ping6 it no problem |
| 16:57.24 | IceWewe | gnarface, :( |
| 16:57.54 | Dagger3 | file-exists-p: it has Scope:Link after it, right? to ping6 those, you need to add "-I eth0" (or as appropriate) |
| 16:57.54 | file-exists-p | and what does "scope link" and "scope group" mean ? |
| 16:58.02 | file-exists-p | hm |
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| 16:58.07 | Dagger3 | (or append %eth0 to the address) |
| 16:58.28 | file-exists-p | dagger what does it mean, precisely? I have to specify on the pinging machine on which interface to send packets?! |
| 16:58.41 | file-exists-p | or is this on the pinged machine? |
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| 16:58.46 | Dagger3 | the two consecutive ::s are an abbreviation that repesents as many empty groups of :0: as needed to complete the address |
| 16:59.06 | file-exists-p | dagger: it works with -I eth0 |
| 16:59.35 | file-exists-p | dagger: ok, "::" means what I though it means :) and I guess you can also abreviate :0012: in :12: ? |
| 16:59.44 | file-exists-p | dropping leading 0s ? |
| 16:59.49 | gnarface | what the hell is up with that anyway? is that because ipv6 just re-uses the public address space for local address space instead of keeping it a distinct set of ranges like ipv4 does? |
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| 17:00.06 | Dagger3 | file-exists-p: the addresses have link scope, which means they're only valid on a single link... which means to fully specify the address you need to also give the interface, since the same address could be on two different links |
| 17:00.24 | file-exists-p | dagger: but that seems very ugly to me, no? |
| 17:00.30 | Dagger3 | file-exists-p: of course you don't have to deal with that for Scope:Global addresses |
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| 17:00.49 | file-exists-p | dagger: and I see some interface with both an ipv6 global and an ipv6 link |
| 17:00.54 | Dagger3 | file-exists-p: meh, link-locals are only really used for local config traffic... usually you would always something with global scope |
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| 17:01.01 | file-exists-p | ok |
| 17:01.12 | file-exists-p | dagger: so this is not a standard situation?: |
| 17:01.20 | Dagger3 | file-exists-p: and yeah, :12: is fine, you drop leading zeros like you do in ipv4 |
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| 17:01.25 | file-exists-p | ok |
| 17:01.30 | file-exists-p | makes sense |
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| 17:02.01 | gnarface | standard situation: not using ipv6 |
| 17:02.10 | Dagger3 | file-exists-p: well, you're expected to have link-local addresses on all networks. but on an actual functioning v6 network with global connectivity, everything has global-scope addresses, and you don't bother using the LLs |
| 17:02.15 | file-exists-p | gnarface: I am just curious to understand the fundamentals ... |
| 17:02.26 | Dagger3 | gnarface: no, it doesn't reuse the public space |
| 17:02.35 | gnarface | file-exists-p: me too |
| 17:02.39 | file-exists-p | dagger: I find it strange that my vps has an ipv4 address and an ipv6 link adr |
| 17:02.55 | file-exists-p | anyway |
| 17:03.05 | dracmas | quick question, just got a dell 14r intel i5 dunno if I'm supposed to use the amd64 or ia64 iso for installation |
| 17:03.14 | Dagger3 | global unicast is 2000::/3, link-local is fe80::/<erm... 17?>, and there's also ULA, which is close to RFC1918 addresses, which is fc00::/7 |
| 17:03.14 | file-exists-p | amd64 |
| 17:03.16 | dondelelcaro | dracmas: amd64 |
| 17:03.31 | et | dondelelcaro: ia64 is an almost extinct architecture |
| 17:03.33 | dondelelcaro | dracmas: unless you paid more than about 10K (and know that you have IA64), you don't have IA64. |
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| 17:03.57 | file-exists-p | dagger thx for the explanations, it helps |
| 17:04.06 | dracmas | thanks. first time I've seen the type.:) |
| 17:04.19 | et | dracmas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itanium |
| 17:04.20 | dondelelcaro | et: not really, but it certainly isn't seen outside of the enterprise. |
| 17:04.22 | dracmas | is getting ready for a netinstall |
| 17:04.51 | gnarface | i thought intel officially stopped printing itaniums a couple years ago, no? |
| 17:05.03 | gnarface | was that just rumors? |
| 17:05.17 | Dagger3 | file-exists-p: and yeah, having the fe80:: address is expected, even on a non-v6 capable network -- you automatically get it when the v6 network stack is active. basically you can just ignore it |
| 17:05.50 | file-exists-p | ah ok |
| 17:06.04 | file-exists-p | dagger so it is some byproduct of the OS more than something allocated by my ISP ? |
| 17:06.40 | gnarface | file-exists-p: the ipv6 range "contains" 1:1 mappings for all the old ipv4 addresses. its just to help you move forward seamlessly. |
| 17:06.49 | file-exists-p | ok, makes sense |
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| 17:07.26 | file-exists-p | dagger & gnarface: if I have an ipv6 ip, what is the equivalent of dig -x |
| 17:07.34 | Dagger3 | file-exists-p: yeah, it's locally created, not assigned by your ISP |
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| 17:08.28 | Dagger3 | gnarface: erm... it sorta does, but that won't be what he's seeing on his interface |
| 17:08.34 | gnarface | file-exists-p: i don't know off the top of my head because i don't know dig, but it should help you to know that bind stores ipv6 records as "AAAA" records instead of "A" records (as per ipv4) |
| 17:08.38 | Dagger3 | dig -x works with v6 too? |
| 17:08.42 | gnarface | Dagger3: sorry i'm talking out my ass again |
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| 17:09.17 | Dagger3 | e.g. "dig -x 2a00:1450:8005::6a" |
| 17:09.45 | gnarface | i seem to recall you can dig for v6 records by swapping A for AAAA but i don't remember the rest of it or how to do more generic searches |
| 17:09.55 | file-exists-p | what I do not get is that my ISP gives me an "ipv6 prefix" for my router |
| 17:10.05 | file-exists-p | how do I derive the actual IP of the router from that ? just 0s at the end ? |
| 17:10.26 | file-exists-p | (note that I wonder if my questions here even make sense ...) |
| 17:11.14 | file-exists-p | and there is some serious magic going on ... I set up my interfaces on my LAN without using dhcp. And still, the interfaces have an ipv6 ip consistent with the one my ISP gives me |
| 17:11.15 | Dagger3 | if they're routing the prefix to you, then your router doesn't "have" an address in it |
| 17:11.18 | file-exists-p | how is that even possible ? |
| 17:11.31 | file-exists-p | dagger: I can ping the said "prefix" |
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| 17:11.56 | file-exists-p | I am seriously lost |
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| 17:12.31 | diginet | high, does anyone know if its possible to deploy debian from windows over PXE? |
| 17:12.35 | diginet | *hi |
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| 17:12.59 | diginet | I haven't been able to find any help on how to do so |
| 17:13.04 | file-exists-p | okay one thing at a time: How can a PC on my LAN (behind the NAT of the modem) have an ipv6 adr consistent with the one provided by my isp ? |
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| 17:13.10 | file-exists-p | where does it get the information ? |
| 17:13.21 | file-exists-p | there are some magic frames a la dhcp telling this kind of things ? |
| 17:13.23 | Jarvis | file-exists-p: dig -x should work for ipv6 addresses |
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| 17:13.38 | Dagger3 | file-exists-p: well... I'll use IPv4 here. say your ISP's router is at 192.168.100.1/24 and your router is at 192.168.100.2/24. and your ISP routes you the subnet 10.0.0.0/8 or whatever |
| 17:13.42 | Jarvis | its the same for v6 as it is for v4 :/ |
| 17:13.49 | jhutchins_lt | diginet: You would frirst have to build a Windows based PXE environment that could serve a Debian installer image. |
| 17:13.56 | Jarvis | assuming you've a recent enough version of dig that is |
| 17:14.07 | jhutchins_lt | diginet: While I presume that's possible, it's well outside the scope of this channel. |
| 17:14.16 | Dagger3 | file-exists-p: your ISP is using 192.168.100.0/24 for the link between your ISP and you, and then they're giving you the 10.0.0.0/8 subnet to do with as you wish |
| 17:14.22 | file-exists-p | jarvis: 9.7.3, squeeze, and does not work as far as I can tell, but I understand 50% of what is going on |
| 17:14.24 | diginet | ah okay, I didn't realize it was that involved |
| 17:14.28 | diginet | thanks for your help |
| 17:14.45 | Dagger3 | file-exists-p: in that case, your router doesn't need any particular address in 10.0.0.0/8... and you end up having to pick one |
| 17:15.06 | Jarvis | file-exists-p: does dig -x ::1 work ? |
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| 17:15.46 | file-exists-p | jarvis: yes :";; ANSWER SECTION: ... TR localhost." |
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| 17:16.04 | Jarvis | ok what happens when you dig -x one of your ipv6 addresses? |
| 17:16.18 | Dagger3 | file-exists-p: it might help if you mentioned the addresses/subnets involved... there is an automagic config mechanism in IPv6 though |
| 17:16.20 | file-exists-p | dagger: I am lost, my question was very pragmatic: Where does the PC get the information about its ipv6 ip ? I mean concretely how does the information reach it ? |
| 17:16.33 | Jarvis | ah |
| 17:16.43 | file-exists-p | jarvis: no "ANSWER" part |
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| 17:17.01 | Jarvis | file-exists-p: you'll probably have to ask your ISP to setup reverse dns for the subnet |
| 17:17.07 | jhutchins_lt | file-exists-p: DHCP. |
| 17:17.09 | file-exists-p | jarvis: ok |
| 17:17.14 | file-exists-p | jhu: I do not use dhcp |
| 17:17.24 | Dagger3 | file-exists-p: ok, there's three ways for a system to get an IPv6 address. 1) you configure it manually, 2) DHCPv6, 3) SLAAC |
| 17:17.25 | file-exists-p | jhutchins: I ifup with hard-coded adr on my lan |
| 17:17.29 | jhutchins_lt | file-exists-p: How do you get your ipv4 address? |
| 17:17.42 | Jarvis | I suspect your isp's given you a /64 or /48 but not setup any rdns zone for it |
| 17:18.17 | Jarvis | or simply not added any records, one or the other |
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| 17:18.19 | file-exists-p | jhutchins: my dsl modem has one no idea what magic happen "out there", I guess some dhcp? On my lan, I have some machines with IP fixed, and some using dhcp. the ones I am talking about here have the ip setup in hard |
| 17:18.24 | jhutchins_lt | file-exists-p: Sorry, lag. |
| 17:18.24 | file-exists-p | dagger: what is slaac ? |
| 17:18.28 | file-exists-p | jhu: no prob |
| 17:18.54 | Dagger3 | file-exists-p: in general the default router on your LAN broadcasts what're called RAs -- router advertisments, telling people about itself. in there, there's two settings that control a) if your system should try to configure an address via DHCPv6, or b) if it should configure an address autonomously (which is SLAAC) |
| 17:19.02 | jhutchins_lt | file-exists-p: your modem/router would have to assign an internal ipv6 address and have some way of forwarding it to the external address. |
| 17:19.15 | Dagger3 | file-exists-p: "autonomously" meaning that your system picks an address for itself in the range the router is advertising |
| 17:19.31 | file-exists-p | dagger: so there is some sort of ipv6 dhcp running, even if I do not use a dhclient ? |
| 17:19.35 | jhutchins_lt | That your you set a static internal network. |
| 17:19.36 | file-exists-p | ok |
| 17:19.47 | Dagger3 | file-exists-p: (you can tell if that's the case because the address has ff:fe in the middle of the right-hand part) |
| 17:20.16 | file-exists-p | it ends with f1ff:fe74:da48/64 |
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| 17:20.24 | file-exists-p | okay, I learned a lot today |
| 17:20.26 | file-exists-p | thanks all |
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| 17:20.57 | Dagger3 | file-exists-p: yeah, there's your ff:fe |
| 17:21.57 | Dagger3 | file-exists-p: argh, I see you're on OVH. my condolences (they have a fairly stuffed-up IPv6 deployment, and they don't seem to really understand v6 routing themselves) |
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| 17:22.12 | file-exists-p | dagger: my vps (the machine I chat from) is on ovh |
| 17:22.21 | file-exists-p | dagger: my "main computer" is on swisscom |
| 17:22.35 | file-exists-p | dagger: all the fancy ipv6 things I am talking about are on the swisscom ones |
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| 17:24.30 | file-exists-p | okay, time to leave. thx again and good evening. |
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| 17:27.17 | Dagger3 | file-exists-p: well, if you find yourself confused trying to set IPv6 up on the OVH VPS... it's not IPv6 that's hard to understand, just OVH's buggered network :( |
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| 17:36.15 | engla | can I use cgdisk to partition during debian install? |
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| 17:37.53 | engla | or can I supply it somehow with an usb stick to use when booted from the install media? |
| 17:37.57 | engla | (package gdisk) |
| 17:38.11 | sickgut | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.55 | haole | is it worth setting up a cluster with debian? or there are some distribution out there to make some of the job for me? i saw rocksclusters.org, but i'm having problem with it and i prefer debian based distros |
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| 17:39.20 | haole | i want to make my computing nodes to reinstall themselves at each boot with nfs but i don't know if its a lot of work or not |
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| 17:39.39 | abrotman | haole: you might want to specify which type of cluster |
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| 17:40.22 | haole | abrotman, beowulf cluster, with one frontend providing the OS for the nodes based on their MAC address |
| 17:40.40 | philipp | guys is there a useable IDE for c++ out there? |
| 17:40.51 | abrotman | philipp: anjuta ? |
| 17:41.00 | haole | but i would like to take it easy on the lan and make a lan boot, but copying the OS to the hard disk |
| 17:41.09 | abrotman | haole: so why not just setup all of them to PXE boot and run an install ? |
| 17:41.15 | haole | philipp, eclipse is pretty decent |
| 17:41.20 | abrotman | haole: use FAI to automate the install? |
| 17:41.30 | abrotman | judd: info anjuta --release squeeze |
| 17:41.31 | judd | Package anjuta (gnome, optional) in squeeze/i386: A GNOME development IDE, for C/C++. Version: 2:2.32.0.0-5; Size: 1979.0k; Installed: 4428k; Homepage: http://www.anjuta.org; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/anjuta |
| 17:41.46 | haole | abrotman, don't know what FAI is... maybe it is what i'm looking for :) gonna look into it |
| 17:42.03 | abrotman | !tell haole about fai |
| 17:42.25 | superlinux-hp | hi. I have a synaptics touchpad mouse on my HP pavilion dv6-6120se. I have on that pad a little square if i double touch it, the mouse should be frozen so I can type . how can I enable such touch event? |
| 17:42.27 | philipp | haole eclipse is pain aspecially for x++ |
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| 17:42.56 | philipp | abrot man wtf? 200mb install? well still worth a shot i check it out! can i use a makefile with it? |
| 17:43.15 | haole | philipp, from my experience, eclipse doesn't try to get in your way with makefile projects and it is pretty damn smart about your project |
| 17:43.18 | abrotman | philipp: my nick is one word |
| 17:43.20 | haole | it has some awful plugins, though |
| 17:43.23 | haole | be careful |
| 17:43.51 | abrotman | philipp: it's the one i know of .. not sure if kdevelop might be better for oyu .. depends on your current WM i guess |
| 17:43.57 | haole | code::blocks would be my second choice |
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| 17:44.08 | philipp | haole do things like syntax checking and suggesting commands work? |
| 17:44.20 | haole | philipp, sure |
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| 17:44.43 | haole | philipp, it wasn't great in the past, but today it is pretty decent... give it a shot |
| 17:44.48 | abrotman | the eclipse in Debian is sorely out of date .. i'd try anjuta first |
| 17:44.59 | philipp | abrotman simple standard gnome |
| 17:45.07 | abrotman | philipp: anjuta should be okay for you then |
| 17:45.10 | untrusted | emacs |
| 17:45.28 | philipp | haole i may will but abortmans first |
| 17:45.35 | abrotman | ABROTMAN |
| 17:45.44 | haole | abrotman, FAI looks more feature complete than rockscluster's facilities... thanks for the tip |
| 17:45.51 | abrotman | philipp: try typing 'abr<tab>' |
| 17:45.54 | abrotman | haole: enjoy |
| 17:45.56 | haole | lol |
| 17:46.00 | haole | abortman!! |
| 17:46.12 | haole | that was funny, sorry |
| 17:46.22 | philipp | abrotman, cannot open display... u know anything about the bug |
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| 17:46.32 | abrotman | philipp: open display? are you trying to run it as root ? |
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| 17:46.58 | philipp | abrotman, omfg yes. did not notice... thx >< |
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| 17:48.29 | swills | when packages are built, does the thing that builds the package run a "make test" or something similar and check for failure? |
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| 17:48.48 | abrotman | swills: yes .. it has to bulid the package .. if it fails, it is noted |
| 17:48.52 | abrotman | or even 'maybe failed' |
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| 17:49.18 | swills | cool, thanks for the info |
| 17:49.28 | swills | where can i learn more about what test it runs? |
| 17:49.36 | philipp | haole, wanna hear something realy funny? i did write the names manually for about 3 years cause i did not know the <tab> feature :> |
| 17:49.44 | abrotman | heh |
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| 17:50.10 | abrotman | swills: on a specific package, or in general / |
| 17:50.33 | abrotman | swills: buildd.debian.org might have some useful info for you .. not sure exactly what you're after |
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| 17:51.02 | superlinux-hp | I'll be back for my question later |
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| 17:52.02 | burhan | are there any best practice wiki pages or guidelines for setting up multi-user systems? |
| 17:52.19 | abrotman | GUI or CLI ? |
| 17:52.30 | burhan | cli |
| 17:52.41 | abrotman | what are you concerned about ? |
| 17:53.26 | burhan | well the users will be created for various long running scripts - that are controled under supervisor. I am just looking for the best ways to lay out the file system. |
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| 17:56.55 | gnarface | !fhs |
| 17:56.56 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier". |
| 17:57.04 | gnarface | burhan: ^^^^^ i think this is what you're looking for |
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| 17:58.18 | burhan | that sound like it would do it. |
| 17:58.58 | burhan | unfortunately our production systems run redhat - so have to keep that in mind as well when transferring applications to production. |
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| 18:00.21 | swills | abrotman: more general stuff, i'll do some looking, thanks |
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| 18:33.46 | superlinux-hp | hi. I have done everything for compiz to run, and i have direct rendering. and I still don't have any visual effects running. I use debian squeeze and the GPU is ATI RADEON HD |
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| 18:36.52 | jhutchins | superlinux-hp: Do you know which actual chipset it is, or even the model? |
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| 18:36.57 | jhutchins | !radeon |
| 18:36.57 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by ATI/AMD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
| 18:37.05 | aostra | weird problem |
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| 18:37.16 | abrotman | superlinux-hp: your actual model might be helpful |
| 18:37.21 | aostra | sound works from the headphone but not from the laptop speakers |
| 18:37.21 | superlinux-hp | oh yes |
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| 18:37.36 | superlinux-hp | jhutchins, just a min |
| 18:37.40 | aostra | suggestions? |
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| 18:38.09 | aostra | im sure the speakers work because this problem started after a fresh install |
| 18:38.15 | superlinux-hp | Radeon HD 6400M series |
| 18:38.35 | superlinux-hp | I have another intel GPU there |
| 18:38.47 | aostra | these laptop speakers should work out of the box, theres nothing fancy about them |
| 18:38.48 | superlinux-hp | but I don't use it |
| 18:38.56 | aostra | would could be causing this? |
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| 18:41.06 | aostra | what* |
| 18:41.24 | superlinux-hp | abrotman, jhutchins ... so? any clue? |
| 18:41.42 | superlinux-hp | or whatever should make it run? |
| 18:42.05 | jhutchins | ' |
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| 18:58.58 | superlinux-hp | so? |
| 18:59.17 | superlinux-hp | no one has an answer to my compiz question? |
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| 19:00.23 | abrotman | it's really a driver question, right ? |
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| 19:08.58 | burhan | why is it that the US mirror is faster than the UK mirror and I am in Kuwait :/ |
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| 19:09.35 | mufflon | your bits are moving within the oil |
| 19:09.53 | burhan | indeed |
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| 19:10.19 | burhan | I think we have a direct link from Dubai to NY |
| 19:10.27 | burhan | and the UK link goes through Egypt |
| 19:10.39 | burhan | too bad I can't change the mirror during install |
| 19:11.28 | mufflon | what way are u installing? |
| 19:12.16 | burhan | debian 6 |
| 19:12.32 | burhan | netinst iso |
| 19:12.59 | burhan | bleh, I'll just kill the vm and start again with a US mirror. |
| 19:13.03 | et | i think he meant if you used the expert install etc |
| 19:13.08 | mufflon | there is at the beginning to give the install-command some parameters..also the mirrors i mean |
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| 19:13.33 | burhan | yeah I know, I mistakenly chose UK thinking closer = faster. |
| 19:13.35 | mufflon | ...a promt-box, to give the.. |
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| 19:13.59 | burhan | there are no debian mirrors in the middle east (there are ubuntu mirrors though) |
| 19:14.00 | mufflon | then enjoy..) |
| 19:14.17 | jkyle | I'm trying to run a late_command script in my preseed. I can successfully download the script, but can't seem to run it. |
| 19:14.21 | jkyle | this works |
| 19:14.27 | et | burhan: that is usually true, however the network distance may be difference from the distance on the globe ;) |
| 19:14.38 | jkyle | d-i preseed/late_command string in-target wget http://server/late_command.bash -O /root/late_command.bash |
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| 19:15.02 | burhan | yeah I think that's the case here - our fiber has a direct connection to NY, but it goes through a few hops for UK, but still I didn't think it would be THAT slow. |
| 19:15.09 | jkyle | but when I add the execution portion, it fails |
| 19:15.12 | burhan | anyway, will try later. |
| 19:15.15 | burhan | good day all |
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| 19:15.41 | mufflon | cu |
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| 19:15.48 | jkyle | e.g. => d-i preseed/late_command string in-target wget http://server/late_command.bash -O /root/late_command.bash;/bin/bash /root/late_command.bash |
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| 19:20.15 | tremon | jkyle: check out the (severely underdocumented) preseed_fetch and preseed_run d-i commands :) |
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| 19:21.37 | jkyle | tremon: where could I find that? it's not mentioned here: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs02.html.en |
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| 19:21.59 | jkyle | is googling away |
| 19:22.15 | tremon | the only reference I've found is http://hands.com/d-i/ -- other than pressing tab-tab in the d-i ssh shell... |
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| 19:24.08 | jkyle | tremon: hehe, it's barely mentioned there with no example. . . under documented is an under statement. I'll take an educated guess :) |
| 19:24.30 | tremon | basically, preseed_fetch downloads a file using the same path and method that were used to fetch the preseed file |
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| 19:25.09 | tremon | preseed_run does that and executes it too. But it's executed in the d-i environment, you'll need to put in-target inside the script |
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| 19:25.48 | jkyle | so d-i preeseed/preseed_fetch http://server/somescript.bash |
| 19:26.04 | tremon | the only way I found out was by stumbling upon it in the debian-boot archives |
| 19:26.27 | tremon | of course, after I had written a script to do the same... |
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| 19:27.51 | BadCodSmell | What do I do if apt get keeps using a really slow broken mirror? |
| 19:28.32 | tremon | the url=magic anchoring is a neat trick (from the url I gave), but I haven't needed it yet. Default anchoring (dirname $preseed_url) works fine for me |
| 19:29.09 | BadCodSmell | It keeps using debian.man.ac.uk but this mirror is really bad. |
| 19:29.15 | tremon | BadCodSmell: apt-get install netselect-apt |
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| 19:30.41 | jkyle | and what's this about using the in-target command _in_ the script itself? doesn't in-target chroot before running the command? |
| 19:31.26 | tremon | jkyle: yes it does if you use preseed_fetch, but not with preseed_run |
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| 19:32.50 | jkyle | odd, this would seem to be a very common task |
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| 19:33.40 | tremon | well, it's very easy to go from the d-i into the target, but escaping is a lot harder. So this way is more flexible |
| 19:34.00 | jkyle | I meant just downloading a postflight script and running it |
| 19:34.30 | philipp | abrotman, are you there? |
| 19:35.08 | philipp | abrotman, u know if Anjuta has a feature like findeing methond names and suggesting? |
| 19:35.47 | abrotman | philipp: i thought it did .. |
| 19:36.07 | abrotman | there might bve a #anjuta on irc.gnome.org |
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| 19:37.23 | philipp | abrotman, could be but not activated on default. just asking you because it takes me a long time to google that out and you may have it on the top of your head |
| 19:37.59 | jelly-home | only a toupee there |
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| 19:41.42 | tremon | jkyle: preseed_run basically does "preseed_fetch $1 /tmp/hook && sh /tmp/hook ; rm /tmp/hook", which is why you can't get it to run in-target automatically |
| 19:42.12 | NikLP | hey all... so I need to downgrade php 5.3 to 5.2 (sigh) - I found a guide, but can anyone tell me if this will upset my pear packages or apache modules? |
| 19:42.20 | NikLP | is is there anything to beware of? |
| 19:42.34 | tremon | jkyle: you can still use "preseed_fetch my_script /target/my_script && in-target /my_script" yourself |
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| 19:55.21 | qxt | Normally the syslog.conf fine is found here /etc/syslog.conf .Can't seem to find it in Debian. |
| 19:55.27 | qxt | file* |
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| 19:56.29 | tremon | /etc/rsyslog.conf |
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| 19:56.52 | qxt | tremon ahh thats how it is configured. Thx |
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| 20:01.09 | haole | does someone here got experience with FAI? fai-project.org |
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| 20:03.09 | tremon | haole: I might be able to help with preseeding, but have never used fai |
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| 20:04.04 | haole | tremon, it is just a simple doubt... the answer is probably yes, but here it goes: is FAI able to configure heterogeneous network? with very different hardwares and architectures? |
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| 20:05.23 | tremon | I suppose so, as that is already possible with preseed. IIRC fai is just preseeding on steroids :) |
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| 20:06.31 | haole | tremon, but how would that work... will i have, lets say, a list of mac addresses in my install server and, based on it, it will choose what install configuration to use? i'm reading the manual but, so far, nothing about this subject has popped |
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| 20:06.45 | belak | How can I change the hostname of a debian install? |
| 20:06.51 | NikLP | if I do downgrade php will I have to downgrade pear as well (also packages)? |
| 20:07.10 | loop | hostname $ |
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| 20:07.30 | belak | loop: that only does it until reboot though, I thought |
| 20:07.33 | tremon | haole: with preseed, you can use preseed_run and preseed_include statements that allow you to write a script to modify the installation before it starts |
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| 20:08.19 | tremon | haole: for example, I use it to select the kernel to install (486, 686 or amd64) on i386 installs |
| 20:08.53 | nyu | belak: Edit /etc/hostname |
| 20:08.59 | belak | nyu: awesome |
| 20:09.00 | belak | THanks |
| 20:09.15 | haole | thats very nice to know... i'm setting up a cluster and not all nodes have licenses for some softwares... so i will have a lot of different installation situations |
| 20:09.37 | nyu | You're welcome :) |
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| 20:11.40 | nyu | belak: NOTICE: Edit hostname in /etc/hosts at same time or sudo might break. |
| 20:11.51 | belak | nyu: I did... |
| 20:12.05 | belak | For whatever reason mail from root is still from the old hostname... |
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| 20:12.13 | haole | tremon, do you think that FAI is the right tool for diskless clusters environments? or is it focused in installations only? |
| 20:13.11 | tremon | I wouldn't use it for diskless environments (nor preseed). Are you using nfs or ramfs root, or something else? |
| 20:13.24 | nyu | belak: Reboot or `hostname <new hostname>'? |
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| 20:14.58 | belak | Already did |
| 20:15.59 | nyu | Check your MTA's config files for hostname entry |
| 20:16.01 | haole | tremon, i'm just reading right now, but i intend to use nfs |
| 20:16.40 | belak | Ah, looks like /etc/mailname |
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| 20:18.06 | tremon | in that case, I'd just use a different export for the licensed software, and only export it to/mount it from the machine that need it |
| 20:19.38 | haole | tremon, but then the client would have to: boot from network -> obtain a small linux core -> mount the nfs share? i don't know how to mount the nfs root after booting through the network without using such tools |
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| 20:19.48 | tremon | so on the server, use /srv/nfs/cluster_root_<machine_arch> and /srv/nfs/apps..., and mount the apps via init script, not fstab |
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| 20:21.32 | tremon | you can use the standard debian kernel+initrd, include root=nfs-server:/srv/nfs/path on command line |
| 20:21.35 | tremon | (IIRC) |
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| 20:22.14 | nsadmin | does he need to mount stuff in the initrd? |
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| 20:22.48 | tremon | nsadmin: he=haole? |
| 20:23.04 | nsadmin | umm :) |
| 20:23.40 | haole | tremon, a lot simpler than what i had in mind |
| 20:23.41 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 20:24.04 | haole | nsadmin, i need to mount a / via network boot and then setup some applications based on script in the server |
| 20:24.09 | haole | maybe through ssh or something similar |
| 20:25.10 | nsadmin | is it because the thing you're mounting on has no disk/ |
| 20:25.13 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 20:26.33 | haole | nsadmin, no... it is a very heterogeneous environment: |
| 20:26.52 | haole | different cpus, there are not licenses of some software for all of them |
| 20:27.13 | haole | and they must become a beowulf cluster, so some configuration to the server must be made for each new client installed |
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| 20:27.40 | haole | i wasn't clear: we need licensed software for some tasks, but there are less licenses than computers in the cluster |
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| 20:28.36 | tremon | haole: what cpu types do you have? It doesn't really count as heterogeneous if it's all x86 family :p |
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| 20:29.03 | nsadmin | hmm, if it's heterogenious and the machines have disks, why not install onto each and have what you mount not / but something off of / |
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| 20:29.24 | haole | tremon, they are all probably x86, but not all of them are x64 |
| 20:29.34 | jhutchins_lt | haole: It isn't a clustering solution, but ltsp has a complete network boot solution implemented. You could see how they do it. |
| 20:30.07 | tremon | there are multiple ways how you can distinguish clients via network |
| 20:30.29 | jhutchins_lt | haole: I think you will need a lot more information on building and managing clusters. |
| 20:30.32 | haole | jhutchins_lt, thanks for the tip |
| 20:30.37 | tremon | first, you can use the dhcp server to group machines by mac address |
| 20:31.06 | tremon | then assign similar machines similar addresses, so you can distinguish them via ip address |
| 20:31.07 | nsadmin | it seems to me if the machines could boot independently of the network, and bring up its presence on the net, this would save you many many nightmares |
| 20:31.18 | jhutchins_lt | haole: Tremon is correct, most systems determine what image to load either by menu or by MAC. |
| 20:31.22 | tremon | nods to nsadmin |
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| 20:32.07 | nsadmin | both in setting up a new client (as long as you document the process!) and in operation |
| 20:32.22 | haole | i want something that scales well... if i "plug in" a new computer, i want it to be added automagically to the cluster if i just make the server aware of which kind of installation this guy will have |
| 20:32.58 | tremon | Then, when using netboot, you can use pxelinux to serve a different kernel and cmdline to different IP address groups |
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| 20:33.34 | haole | tremon, i think that this is exactly the missing piece of info that i was looking for |
| 20:33.39 | nsadmin | you could accomplish that by copying partition images from a server to the client's disk |
| 20:33.42 | haole | :) |
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| 20:34.49 | haole | well, i'm gonna read a lot more and try one of the things we discussed here... thanks for all the info |
| 20:34.50 | tremon | once the machine has booted, you have both the kernel command line and network settings to determine what additional software to load |
| 20:36.11 | nsadmin | haole, I'm just saying... by investing a little time to do the copy on each client, you won't go into somewhat dangerous waters :) |
| 20:36.43 | haole | nsadmin, i just want something very automated... if this can be done by just copying some partitions, then i will probably do it |
| 20:36.54 | haole | (in an automated fashion) |
| 20:37.03 | jhutchins_lt | haole: How many systems? |
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| 20:37.57 | nsadmin | I would think the copying of systems for a particular arch would correspond to mounting / for a particular arch |
| 20:38.16 | haole | jhutchins_lt, 12 for now, but if this works, the institute will want more than 100 |
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| 20:38.39 | jhutchins_lt | Interesting. |
| 20:38.43 | haole | and there is a guy that is experimenting with arm clusters... this could become a nightmare lol |
| 20:39.14 | haole | its a meteorological institute |
| 20:39.31 | nsadmin | a cluster of arms... no feet?! |
| 20:39.34 | tremon | nsadmin: duplicating disk installations is easier to setup, but I'd rather maintain a handful nfsroot systems than many more standalone systems :) |
| 20:39.56 | haole | exactly |
| 20:40.16 | haole | nsadmin, good point lol |
| 20:40.17 | nsadmin | I see, because if you change the image you'd have to push it out |
| 20:40.59 | tremon | sounds like you've got a nice project to look forward to. Just one warning: don't upgrade the nfsroots while clients are running |
| 20:41.33 | tremon | funny things can happen when you modify libraries on the server (clients don't get notified) |
| 20:41.59 | dondelelcaro | tremon: that shouldn't matter |
| 20:42.09 | dondelelcaro | except for in certain, specific cases. |
| 20:42.28 | tremon | ok. Even better then :) |
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| 20:42.50 | nsadmin | well if he replaces a lib, supposedly the client machines could have copies of the old lib in ram |
| 20:42.54 | dondelelcaro | well, at least, that's how it should work, assuming you can keep the fd descriptor open. |
| 20:42.56 | haole | tremon, one of my ideas for this was to install the OS on each client's boot (when it has a disk) |
| 20:43.34 | haole | not just installing one time... installing on EVERY boot |
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| 20:43.48 | haole | almost plug & play computers :) |
| 20:44.02 | tremon | dondelelcaro: and assuming clients don't have half a file cached, right? |
| 20:44.09 | haole | but, as you have already noticed, i'm just planning and i don't know exactly what i want right now |
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| 20:44.21 | nsadmin | maybe you could install only when there was a change |
| 20:44.28 | haole | except that i want something automated and easy to make specific configurations for specific machines |
| 20:44.35 | dondelelcaro | tremon: that's not the way FDs work. |
| 20:44.43 | tremon | haole: that's called aufs with r/w overlay on tmpfs |
| 20:45.25 | nsadmin | haole, you want everything at once :) |
| 20:45.30 | dondelelcaro | tremon: installations need to be atomic, and just because a file has been unlinked doesn't mean it goes away until all of the FDs are wrong. |
| 20:46.07 | nsadmin | why would an fd become wrong? |
| 20:46.11 | haole | nsadmin, i'm just taking my first steps :) |
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| 20:46.43 | nsadmin | I know you'll get it going |
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| 20:46.48 | tremon | dondelelcaro: yes I know, the old file is maintained while clients still have an open reference to it |
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| 20:47.38 | haole | debianclusters.org has some really nice tricks about clusters |
| 20:47.44 | haole | right now i'm focusing on the deployment |
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| 21:03.19 | mute__ | Morning. |
| 21:03.45 | cardamon | Well, I say morning, but it was noon when I woke up, four hours ago. Love a Saturday. |
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| 21:38.33 | remi33 | Hi. I'm under GNOME 2.30 and I have a question. How can I execute a bash script while opening a session ? It seems |
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| 21:40.07 | remi33 | My debian is 6 |
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| 21:41.31 | remi33 | Any idea ? |
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| 21:48.41 | wipt | hey there, I'm running Squeeze on a Asus 350M1 board. I'm having issues with the ethernet driver flaking out after a few hours. I blacklisted the default driver, but it's still being loaded on boot. I also downloaded the official driver from Realtek, but haven't had any luck with it lasting much longer than the default driver. |
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| 21:50.58 | chaospsychex | i've selected 'continue with installation' and it's at a black screen? is it hanged up or loading? |
| 21:51.33 | chaospsychex | i went to http://goodbye-microsoft.com |
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| 21:52.23 | somiaj | any suggestions for a hardware testing tool I could install onto a debian live system (using the lxde image) to do a basic check of a computer? |
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| 21:59.35 | dracmas | I just want to make sure on this...just to start off getting a gui system from netinstall xorg fluxbox nm-applet slim menumaker |
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| 22:00.54 | somiaj | dracmas: you can choose an alternative desktop task, but my suggestion is from the net install you can install a base system (get it functional as in your network card/non-free firmware if needed) and then install the packages you want on top of the base system |
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| 22:03.24 | dracmas_ | Its mostly intel hardware. The only thing non functional would be the wifi, but I have a dongle to solve that problem. I just wanted to make sure the gui side was good. |
| 22:03.37 | ksx4system | how can I make bash actually start faster? when I ssh to one of my boxes I have to wait around 20 seconds until I can see command prompt |
| 22:04.01 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: uh... that's almost certainly not bash. |
| 22:04.15 | somiaj | dracmas: gui side of what? If you don't want gnome (defult wm) just be careful when installing the desktop task, but yes fluxbox or menumaker will both be easily installable via apt/aptitude |
| 22:04.17 | chaospsychex | what would cause the debian installer to hang at a black screen when install from 'goodbye-microsoft.com' and restarting, then selecting 'contiunue with installation' ? |
| 22:04.32 | dracmas_ | kk |
| 22:04.35 | ksx4system | funny thing is that I have similar box with a little bit slower CPU (AMD Geode LX 500MHz, slower box runs VIA Eden 533MHz) |
| 22:04.46 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: so what causes that? |
| 22:04.53 | somiaj | ksx4system: I doubt the problem is bash, look up this problem in google, sure you'll find solutions. It is a setting issue with ssh I belive. |
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| 22:05.13 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: dns, ssh, your connection is slow, packet loss, etc. |
| 22:05.18 | ksx4system | somiaj: I already googled for that, nothing. |
| 22:06.02 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: no DNS (lan), it's not slow connection (100mbit lan, I'm the only user), no packet loss (yes, I checked this out and even changed port on the switch) |
| 22:06.22 | somiaj | ksx4system: http://www.netadmintools.com/art605.html does that help? |
| 22:06.29 | somiaj | (first link from 'ssh slow login') |
| 22:06.49 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: just because you're on a lan doesn't mean dns isn't the problem. |
| 22:07.23 | dondelelcaro | and changing the port on the switch isn't the way to figure out whether there is packet loss, either... though that certainly is less likely. |
| 22:07.31 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: how DNS can be a problem? it's so much easier to type IP address of single machine than hostname.fictional-domain |
| 22:07.42 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: because sshd reverses the name. |
| 22:08.33 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: but if you really want to know, you have to look at the ssh -v output. |
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| 22:09.00 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: and finally, you could also have managed to screw up your .bashrc or something else. |
| 22:10.30 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: of course .bashrc isn't screwed (I tried fresh one, even without my aliases) |
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| 22:11.27 | abrotman | ksx4system: you could execute a different shell to see if that's the issue |
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| 22:11.47 | ksx4system | somiaj: enabled, didn't help. |
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| 22:13.10 | ksx4system | abrotman: thanks, tried that too (ksh instead of bash). it's still very slow |
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| 22:14.58 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: slow? or doesn't start quickly? or what? what part is slow when you use ssh -v? |
| 22:16.18 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: just after typing my password and hitting enter. there's a 1-2sec pause, then server displays last login data and pauses again for around 10-15 sec before displaying command prompt |
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| 22:19.02 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: full log http://paste.debian.net/152266/ |
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| 22:20.41 | abrotman | ksx4system: so what don was saying sounds better than "bash is slow" |
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| 22:21.32 | ksx4system | abrotman: s/is slow/takes freaking ages to start, then runs ok |
| 22:21.34 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: and so what happens if you run ssh foohost strace bash -i; ? what part stalls? |
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| 22:25.13 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: output is VERY long, that's the last screen where it stops http://paste.debian.net/152267 |
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| 22:26.10 | ksx4system | but it pauses for around a second, too short for me to copy everything |
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| 22:26.58 | ksx4system | spits many lines per second ---> pause for a second ---> spits even more lines, faster ---> pauses forever |
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| 22:28.56 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: the "pauses forever" is bash waiting for input |
| 22:29.31 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: the question is whether or not you see a pause in that output for any significant period of time while bash is running, and whether the time to start matches what you were expecting |
| 22:29.37 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: you should also try bash -l or similar. |
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| 22:31.25 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: well, I'll just ignore that. after initial pause it runs like a charm |
| 22:31.58 | ksx4system | it's just a bit annoying to wait up to 20 seconds for slowest box cli to show up |
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| 22:34.16 | minde | hello, Is there any way to get kernel module xt_recent ? Or maybe Debian already have as default ? |
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| 22:35.26 | somiaj | minde: the config file is located at /boot/config-<ver> for your kernel version (uname -r) and you can see what the debian kernel doese with the CONFIG option for that module |
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| 22:37.28 | minde | somiaj: CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_RECENT ? |
| 22:38.24 | somiaj | not sure what it is called, not a module I reconize |
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| 22:52.46 | chesti | hi |
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| 22:55.01 | chesti | i use dual display on radeon FireGL X1 (R300 driver) i switched to KMS to solve my issues that i had that helped but i lost second display... somebody knows how to convince second display to work? anyone had similar problem? |
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| 22:55.31 | magn3ts | How do I get an invite to #debian-next? |
| 22:55.52 | somiaj | you want #deban-next on the offical debian irc network |
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| 22:55.57 | somiaj | irc.debian.org points to irc.oftc.net |
| 22:56.01 | magn3ts | somiaj: thanks. |
| 22:56.26 | somiaj | chesti: can you see it with 'xrandr -q'? |
| 22:56.41 | chesti | somiaj: yes i can |
| 22:57.04 | nyu | magn3ts: You don't, it's at irc.oftc.net |
| 22:57.19 | magn3ts | nyu, got it :) thanks. |
| 22:57.50 | magn3ts | My question is pretty generic anyway, I'm not sure what I need to install to get applications to create menu entries for gnome.. or what I need to install to get gnome to recognize new applications. Any thoughts? |
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| 22:58.13 | chesti | somiaj: i even can switch to dual display and my mouse can go there but monitor get`s off |
| 22:58.40 | somiaj | magn3ts: do you have the package 'menu' installed? |
| 22:59.00 | chesti | somiaj: when i switch off KMS it behave like it should |
| 22:59.02 | magn3ts | somiaj: yes, it was installed already for me. |
| 22:59.27 | magn3ts | somiaj: I didn't have menu-xdg at the time though... |
| 22:59.41 | jelly-home | chesti: xrandr --output SECONDSCREENNAME --autpo |
| 22:59.43 | jelly-home | erm. |
| 22:59.45 | jelly-home | chesti: xrandr --output SECONDSCREENNAME --auto |
| 22:59.48 | somiaj | did you install that additional package, nto sure if gnome needs the hooks from there or not. |
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| 23:00.17 | chesti | jelly-home: thats exacly what i do and onitor stays off |
| 23:00.17 | jelly-home | chesti: should enable it for a start |
| 23:00.35 | magn3ts | somiaj: I'm not sure, I just installed another application after installing menu-xdg and I still got no new icons |
| 23:00.41 | jelly-home | chesti: does the xrandr output change? |
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| 23:01.40 | somiaj | magn3ts: do you have a 'debian menu' under the gnome menu (not sure how gnome works, but use the debian menu package to generate my menus. Also not all applications may have a menu entry, but most do) |
| 23:01.40 | chesti | jelly-home: yes i get the '*' mark nex to screen resolution by the second display infos |
| 23:01.50 | jelly-home | chesti: also, what if you --off it and back --auto ? |
| 23:02.21 | chesti | jelly-home: thats the problem it doesn`t turn on |
| 23:02.44 | chesti | jelly-home: when i do --off then --auto |
| 23:03.06 | tremon | chesti: it may just be that the monitor is lying about what frequencies and resolutions it supports (edid is notoriously bad) |
| 23:03.07 | chesti | jelly-home: or other combinations... |
| 23:03.26 | tremon | have you tried forcing a specific resolution or refresh rate? |
| 23:03.39 | magn3ts | somiaj: well these were both apps that have traditionally given me launchers in ubuntu. Interesting, you seem to be onto something. I have (in Alacarte) Debian->Network->Web Browsers->Chrome (which is what I installed), but I can't mark the Network directory as "Show". |
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| 23:04.15 | jelly-home | chesti: can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log, and "xrandr" output. Which version of Debian is this, versions of xserver-xorg-core, xserver-xorg-video-radeon? uname -r? |
| 23:04.56 | somiaj | magn3ts: sound like gnome isn't rendering the menus correct, since you are runing testing/unstable, have you checked the bts, maybe gnome3 is still buggy |
| 23:05.36 | magn3ts | somiaj: I apologize, I'm an ubuntu noob looking for something new and playing in a VM. I'm not sure what `bts` is. |
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| 23:07.35 | magn3ts | oh, never mind. |
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| 23:08.51 | chesti | re |
| 23:09.07 | chesti | jelly-home: i`m makeing paste bin right now |
| 23:09.21 | chesti | jelly-home: one minute |
| 23:10.39 | jelly-home | chesti: you're probably going to have to show that to xorg / video-radeon people, anyway |
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| 23:13.37 | LinuxGuy2009 | Hello I have a MyBookLive NAS drive on the network with a full Squeeze repository for faster local installs of packages. I would like the computer users to be able to use the 'Software Center' to install packages. However when I made the repository I used a set of DVDs that were downloaded. I installed dpkg-dev I think it was and combined all of the DVDs packages into seperate pools for main, contrib, and non-free. However they are not s |
| 23:13.44 | chesti | http://pastebin.com/VATDrqyJ |
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| 23:21.02 | tke1384 | I'm having an issue with my user not able to play any sounds and I don't know why. |
| 23:21.20 | tke1384 | He is a member of the audio group |
| 23:21.22 | cthuluh | dpkg: alsa-checklist |
| 23:21.22 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 23:22.12 | Pacma | someone has had problems with the usbutils package released yesterday |
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| 23:22.22 | tke1384 | I did try aplay with both regular use and root |
| 23:22.31 | tke1384 | Root can play sounds |
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| 23:22.56 | tke1384 | Not muter in alsamix |
| 23:23.30 | tke1384 | I'm on sid so I think I'm good on 6 |
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| 23:24.47 | tke1384 | Or do you think I should try to purge oss4 anyhow? |
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| 23:26.05 | tke1384 | Any other suggestions? This seems to be a permissions issue |
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| 23:26.42 | dvs | tke1384: did he just add himself to the audio group? |
| 23:26.44 | tke1384 | The audio group has access to the /dev/snd/* devices |
| 23:27.12 | tke1384 | Nope been a member for a while and then stopped working |
| 23:27.54 | tke1384 | I can't even think of how to google this issue |
| 23:28.24 | tke1384 | From what I can see all the permissions are correct but it just doesn't work |
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| 23:30.19 | tke1384 | I didn't mess with the pulseaudio server but from what I've read aplay bypasses that anyhow |
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| 23:31.14 | dvs | oh, pulseaudio? I'd delete that. |
| 23:32.22 | tke1384 | I could do that but I don't think that's my issue since everything works for the root user do you? |
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| 23:33.07 | tke1384 | And how do you handle more than one software playing sound without pulse? |
| 23:33.37 | dvs | alsa can handle multiple apps |
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| 23:35.55 | tke1384 | Hmm I'm sure I mis-read something then. Do you think pulse is the source of my issue then? |
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| 23:36.19 | dvs | i never use it |
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| 23:37.42 | tke1384 | Well thanks for the advice |
| 23:38.17 | dvs | np |
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| 23:41.18 | bimbim | hi guys, I have a magic problem: I do need libSDL |
| 23:41.39 | bimbim | but! http://pastebin.com/XAidnssR |
| 23:41.53 | bimbim | root@g5:~# ls /usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0 |
| 23:41.54 | bimbim | ls: cannot access /usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0: No such file or directory |
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| 23:50.14 | Talon_ | where is your computers name stored? during install I guess i didn't read closely enough and thought I was filling out my users profile, so now my system says me@Talon:~$ when im in a terminal, there a simple fix? couple files to edit? I'd like to change it to debian |
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| 23:50.51 | cthuluh | /etc/hostname, /etc/hosts |
| 23:50.58 | Talon_ | cool thx |
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| 23:51.19 | qrq | Hello |
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| 23:51.38 | qrq | Is Debian Testing CD1 enough for dekstop using? |
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| 23:51.59 | qrq | Or do I need to have other cd's? |
| 23:52.02 | truehumandesign | yep its enough |
| 23:52.02 | Talon_ | no, I thought that too... unless you have net access |
| 23:52.03 | bimbim | qrq: if you do have a stable internet connection, then even netinstall is enough |
| 23:52.15 | qrq | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.15 | Talon_ | it won't install gnome with just the 1st cd |
| 23:52.39 | cthuluh | really? |
| 23:52.43 | truehumandesign | ... |
| 23:52.50 | Talon_ | yupp. just did it last night |
| 23:53.03 | truehumandesign | i thought you get a full desktop installation out of disc1 |
| 23:53.14 | Talon_ | with squeeze you do... not so with testing |
| 23:53.25 | truehumandesign | hmmm mkay.. |
| 23:53.46 | qrq | Strange |
| 23:53.49 | Talon_ | theres other packages with a gui i think, i saw a xfce and a kde cd1.. didn't try those |
| 23:54.04 | truehumandesign | xfce+lxde works with cd1 |
| 23:54.09 | truehumandesign | i think its only 1 |
| 23:54.09 | truehumandesign | .. |
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| 23:55.37 | Furao | I just upgrade Ubuntu Oneiric by install Debian wheezy over it (well I feel like it's a huge upgrade, as a power-user)... but there is one thing... there is only a single keyboard mapping in gnome 3.2 (us)... they are probably in a package somewhere... is it per language? some kind of gnome-translation-$lang |
| 23:55.40 | qrq | Im downloading it. |
| 23:56.05 | Talon_ | brb |
| 23:56.14 | bimbim | Furao: you can do it just by editing sources.list and then dist-upgrade |
| 23:56.22 | Furao | I did it |
| 23:56.51 | bimbim | Furao: but you said "by install Debian wheezy over it" |
| 23:57.02 | Furao | no I mean |
| 23:57.12 | bimbim | ah okay okay |
| 23:57.13 | Furao | I did a fresh install of wheezy |
| 23:57.30 | truehumandesign | yep this is still an upgrade to ubuntu XD |
| 23:57.31 | cthuluh | thankfully |
| 23:57.39 | Furao | that's is why I said that :) |
| 23:57.43 | bimbim | Furao: man setxkbmap :) |
| 23:57.49 | bimbim | Furao: no need to use gui |
| 23:57.55 | cardamon | Anyone familiar with mpd? I set my log_file to "~/.mpd/mpd.log" then when it opened it tried to open a log at /var/lib/mpd/.mpd/mpd.log. |
| 23:58.13 | cardamon | Which didn't work. |
| 23:58.13 | bimbim | Furao: I'm using setxkbmap -model macintosh -layout "us,ru" -option "grp:caps_toggle,grp_led:caps,compose:lwin" |
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| 23:58.23 | thewanderer1 | cardamon, maybe because mpd has its home at /var/lib/mpd/.mpd ? |
| 23:58.24 | qrq | Debian Testing got xfce 4.8 :) |
| 23:58.29 | Furao | yes, I had to did that like 10 years ago |
| 23:58.40 | Furao | but look like I have gnome 3.2 |
| 23:58.45 | bimbim | Furao: heh, 10 years ago, you did it by editing Xorg.conf |
| 23:58.47 | Furao | and there is already some solution to those basic needs |
| 23:59.01 | Furao | there was no xorg.conf back then |
| 23:59.06 | Furao | it was only X11R6 |
| 23:59.10 | bimbim | wait, there was only ... yes |
| 23:59.16 | cardamon | thewanderer1: I think so. Down about 30 lines in the come it sets user "mpd" but the "This setting is disabled by default and MPD is run as the current user" message was misleading. |
| 23:59.16 | bimbim | you wrote it first |
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| 23:59.55 | cardamon | It's less "disabled by default" so much as that with no specified option it'll run as the current user. |