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| 00:00.54 | Vasistha | boudiccas: the instructions say to press "cancel" if asked to connect to a camera. So I did that. But I don't see anything else popping up :P |
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| 00:01.48 | Vasistha | it is pretty lame that that wiki page doesn't give any instructions for CLI gvfs-mount |
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| 00:05.37 | boudiccas | Vasistha; so you've identified a need, so you write it then and submit to the doc team for posting up on the web |
| 00:05.59 | jkyle | yeah, block size woudl matter as it would determine how many addresses needed for a given allocation |
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| 00:06.30 | haole | i just tried to download octave's source package, but apt-get told me that it doesn't exist... is this right? are there packages in debian that have a binary package but not a source one? |
| 00:07.20 | jkyle | so maybe I need to pull a more recent e2fsprogs from testing |
| 00:07.26 | jkyle | or some such |
| 00:08.10 | jordanm | haole: use aptitude source |
| 00:08.30 | jordanm | haole: apt-get source requires the actual source package name, whereas aptitude will find the correct source package |
| 00:08.44 | jkyle | or an lvm, but with lvm you start increasing the unreliability as you add disks eh? |
| 00:09.25 | vagothcpp | How could I test if a USB device I have plugged in is USB 2 or 3? |
| 00:09.41 | fenugreek | vagothcpp: lsusb might know? |
| 00:10.08 | haole | jordanm: my aptitude doesn't have the option 'source' |
| 00:10.17 | themill | jordanm: which versions of apt-get and aptitude have you been playing with? |
| 00:10.18 | haole | jordanm: but seems like octave-3.4 was in experimental |
| 00:11.23 | haole | is it normal for my debian to try to upgrade just a few packages from testing and unstable (like linux-base) even if i use APT::Default-Release "stable"; setting? |
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| 00:11.39 | jordanm | haole: oops, sorry, that statement only applies to build-dep |
| 00:11.57 | jordanm | !pinning |
| 00:11.57 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 00:13.59 | vagothcpp | I have no idea how to read the output from lsusb to determine the usb version/speed |
| 00:14.34 | fenugreek | vagothcpp: | egrep -i '2|3' should make it clear |
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| 00:15.15 | Dagger3 | `lsusb -t` seems to give speeds for each device |
| 00:15.26 | fenugreek | Dagger3: what's -t for? |
| 00:15.30 | dclarke | help : where is mkinitrd ? |
| 00:15.42 | zaltekk | can someone give me the output for 'uname -a' on an up-to-date squeeze box? |
| 00:15.44 | fenugreek | tree, good times |
| 00:15.46 | Dagger3 | "Tells lsusb to dump the physical USB device hierarchy as a tree. This overrides the v option." |
| 00:15.49 | zaltekk | (amd64) |
| 00:15.51 | fenugreek | zaltekk: what for |
| 00:15.59 | zaltekk | fenugreek: kernel info |
| 00:16.11 | dclarke | zaltekk, Linux charon 2.6.32-5-powerpc64 #1 SMP Thu Nov 3 05:18:10 UTC 2011 ppc64 GNU/Linux |
| 00:16.13 | zaltekk | figured it'd be faster than searching for which package is newest |
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| 00:16.16 | zaltekk | dclarke: thanks |
| 00:16.32 | fenugreek | only if you don't know how to search for package version availability |
| 00:16.46 | dclarke | zaltekk, also : Linux aster 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Nov 3 03:41:26 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 00:17.03 | haole | is there a way to install automatically the build dependencies during a dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 00:17.07 | Vasistha | well I installed usbmount, but I am still not sure how to get this iphone mounted. instructions at wiki.debian.org/iPhone say that "the iphone will appear on your desktop" but... it didn't. |
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| 00:18.29 | vagothcpp | okay, well the device is usb3 at usb3 speeds but i am almost certain it's not a usb3 device... copies do occur at 54MB/s however, running a checksum |
| 00:18.31 | Vasistha | I wish there was some cli instructions. there's a gvfs mount utility but I haven't found instructions on how to make it work for an iphone yet |
| 00:18.58 | fenugreek | vagothcpp: well you've obviously got something wrong... |
| 00:19.20 | vagothcpp | fenugreek, I am sure i bought the device before usb3 |
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| 00:19.38 | dclarke | help : where is mkinitrd ? I try mkinitrd -o initrd.img-3.2.1 3.2.1 and I get -su: mkinitrd: command not found |
| 00:19.38 | fenugreek | vagothcpp: then the part you have wrong is probably your conclusion that it's doing usb3 speeds |
| 00:20.43 | Dagger3 | the max you'll ever see going through a USB 2 port is ~30 MB/s, so 54 MB/s is definitely USB 3 |
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| 00:21.25 | vagothcpp | The device has been screwy for a while but this is the first usb3 system i have owned |
| 00:21.32 | fenugreek | could be confusing MB and Mbit |
| 00:21.39 | vagothcpp | fenugreek, not at all |
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| 00:21.53 | fenugreek | if you say so |
| 00:21.58 | dclarke | I give up .. going back to debianppc |
| 00:21.59 | fenugreek | lsusb didn't specify? |
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| 00:22.12 | vagothcpp | fenugreek, specified usb3 speeds |
| 00:22.26 | fenugreek | but not a version? |
| 00:22.33 | vagothcpp | correct |
| 00:22.38 | fenugreek | how tedious |
| 00:22.47 | taylorjonl_ | I am trying to install multiple debian installs on the same computer with the same boot partition, is this recommended? I ask because I installed one, then the other, now the first won't boot, I think because of the step of the installer to install a kernel. |
| 00:22.50 | vagothcpp | mmh hmm |
| 00:22.52 | fenugreek | oh well, don't look a gift usb device in the port |
| 00:23.34 | fenugreek | taylorjonl_: it's not necessarily a bad idea |
| 00:23.37 | fenugreek | taylorjonl_: but why? |
| 00:23.49 | vagothcpp | fenugreek, running a checksum of the data based on the orignal source, i would expect the checksum to fail if it isn't usb3 after the copy |
| 00:24.12 | fenugreek | why would you expect that? |
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| 00:25.00 | taylorjonl_ | Well, I don't have to do it that way but I did because in a lot of my reading most of hte time the boot is on a seperate drive. |
| 00:25.31 | taylorjonl_ | fenugreek: When you say why, do you mean why am I using a shared boot or why do I ask? |
| 00:25.38 | vagothcpp | fenugreek, well, if the data copy thought it was finished but never copied completely or other reasons sould tell me if they are exact a checksum of those files sho |
| 00:25.46 | fenugreek | taylorjonl_: why are you installing more than one |
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| 00:25.54 | vagothcpp | that came out malformed =p |
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| 00:26.17 | fenugreek | what came out malformed? |
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| 00:26.46 | vagothcpp | that message |
| 00:26.58 | fenugreek | ah |
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| 00:28.19 | vagothcpp | fenugreek, i think something is wrong with the device |
| 00:28.30 | fenugreek | vagothcpp: why? |
| 00:28.32 | taylorjonl_ | fenugreek: So I am setting up a xen server that I want to be able to have a recovery version installed that is stable, then I want to have three versions(experimental,unstable,stable) that I can work with, e.g. changes done in experimental, once tested, moves to unstable, then finally stable. |
| 00:28.33 | vagothcpp | it just died to all ports 2 or 3 |
| 00:28.43 | fenugreek | died? |
| 00:28.56 | fenugreek | taylorjonl_: ah |
| 00:29.14 | vagothcpp | fenugreek, all data comes up corrupt and writes are failing |
| 00:29.26 | taylorjonl_ | fenugreek: I will use fsarchiver to replicate to the various partitions |
| 00:29.36 | fenugreek | taylorjonl_: now when you say exper/unstable/stable, you mean your own versions of those, not Debian stable, Debian unstable, etc., right? |
| 00:29.52 | taylorjonl_ | fenugreek: Correct |
| 00:29.55 | fenugreek | vagothcpp: sounds pretty definitive |
| 00:30.27 | vagothcpp | mmh hmm |
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| 00:32.05 | taylorjonl_ | fenugreek: Should I just not share the boot partitions? That is easy enough, but will grub have issues with an ext4 partition? Should I just use ext3 and combine them? |
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| 00:33.41 | fenugreek | taylorjonl_: you can make it work if there's a problem |
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| 00:36.15 | taylorjonl_ | fenugreek: I think I will just not share the boot partition, in case I have to modify the kernel for a single instance. Just seems easier than worrying about problems. |
| 00:36.52 | fenugreek | =) |
| 00:37.29 | EmoSpice | I'm currently performing a netinstall, and have made it to the kernel selection screen. The two viable options are 'linux-image-486' and 'linux-image-3.1.0-1-486'. Obviously, the latter is 3.1.0, but what's the kernel version of the former? |
| 00:39.03 | taylorjonl_ | EmoSpice: It is probably just a pointer to the other, you can check on packages.debian.org I think. |
| 00:39.14 | EmoSpice | taylorjonl_: ah. Makes sense. |
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| 00:39.57 | un214 | the grub2 scripts seem to be able to royally screw up a shared /boot |
| 00:40.15 | un214 | dpkg isn't much better at it however |
| 00:40.15 | dpkg | un214: are you using Windows? |
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| 00:40.42 | un214 | dpkg take a flying leap |
| 00:40.42 | dpkg | un214: are you using Windows? |
| 00:40.47 | fenugreek | un214: don't have to use them |
| 00:41.11 | un214 | fenugreek: know any way how not to besides using lilo? |
| 00:41.14 | EmoSpice | or grub2, for that matter. |
| 00:41.28 | fenugreek | un214: you can manually configure GRUB2, just like people did with legacy GRUB |
| 00:42.00 | un214 | I tried. the scripts from the package kept overwriting it, or update leaving me with a nonbooting system |
| 00:42.03 | fenugreek | the config file syntax is more of a PITA of course, but you can still manage it |
| 00:42.08 | EmoSpice | just like people *do* with legacy grub :P |
| 00:42.11 | fenugreek | un214: so keep a backup and over-overwrite it |
| 00:42.27 | un214 | that's what caused non-booting systems |
| 00:42.47 | EmoSpice | Isn't there a user configurable place for it to source from? |
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| 00:43.05 | un214 | didn't seem to want to work |
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| 00:43.30 | EmoSpice | shrugs. |
| 00:43.38 | un214 | the thing that works well is having /boot/vmlinuz-something being a symlink to the target |
| 00:43.59 | un214 | the package updates the symlink and the target kernel, and things behave themselves |
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| 00:44.17 | EmoSpice | just uses syslinux |
| 00:44.42 | un214 | wait what you can use syslinux on a hd? |
| 00:44.48 | EmoSpice | yep. |
| 00:45.25 | EmoSpice | Excuse me if there's a better Debian page, but this link has some awesome information |
| 00:45.27 | EmoSpice | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Syslinux |
| 00:45.36 | doorp | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.39 | bambanx | guys what ftp or other protocol good can recommend me for working editing files html on remote server? |
| 00:45.54 | PerfDave | bambanx: SFTP? |
| 00:46.03 | EmoSpice | bambanx: ssh/sshfs. |
| 00:46.16 | PerfDave | Or just run the editor on the remote server |
| 00:46.18 | fenugreek | sftp is basically ssh |
| 00:46.23 | jordanm | EmoSpice: that's slightly misleading. its extlinux, and that's whats being used in the guide |
| 00:46.32 | jordanm | although it is part of the syslinux project |
| 00:46.34 | bambanx | what program? |
| 00:46.35 | EmoSpice | jordanm: syslinux == extlinux |
| 00:46.41 | bambanx | just sftp install? |
| 00:46.43 | EmoSpice | or a subset thereof. |
| 00:46.48 | fenugreek | doorp: what do you mean booting from the usb stick? |
| 00:47.11 | fenugreek | bambanx: sshfs would make it convenient... basically the remote files would appear as local files |
| 00:47.22 | bambanx | cool |
| 00:47.24 | doorp | fenugreek: /boot been set to a removable USB stick. I would like the bootloader to be placed on it |
| 00:47.38 | taylorjonl_ | does legacy grub support ext4? |
| 00:47.42 | bambanx | this is what i wanna fenugreek |
| 00:47.54 | fenugreek | taylorjonl_: supports whatever your kernel has built in |
| 00:47.57 | EmoSpice | taylorjonl_: Yes, it does. |
| 00:48.01 | EmoSpice | what fenugreek said |
| 00:48.15 | fenugreek | or whatever bloat you cram into your initrd |
| 00:48.27 | bambanx | fenugreek, u have a guide or some for install and config? |
| 00:48.44 | fenugreek | bambanx: no, but there are probably tons online, and it's probably not very complex |
| 00:48.50 | fenugreek | bambanx: the man page will probably cover it |
| 00:48.51 | EmoSpice | bambanx: do you know how to use ssh? |
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| 00:49.16 | PerfDave | bambanx: What operating systems are you running on your local system and your remote server? |
| 00:49.20 | fenugreek | doorp: so you want both /boot and the boot loader on the USB stick? |
| 00:49.37 | doorp | fenugreek: Correct |
| 00:49.50 | bambanx | i am not sure PerfDave ison hostgator |
| 00:50.11 | doorp | fenugreek: During the install I set /boot for the first partition of the USB stick, and grub has the device as the target for the bootloader |
| 00:50.37 | fenugreek | doorp: okay, did you keep the USB stick in the same port? |
| 00:50.45 | doorp | fenugreek: Correct |
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| 00:51.28 | PerfDave | bambanx: I'm not sure what "ison hostgator" means. |
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| 00:51.57 | bambanx | i am not sure PerfDave is on hostgator , hostgator is a store of hostings |
| 00:52.50 | PerfDave | bambanx: What is your local operating system? |
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| 00:53.12 | bambanx | i am on debian squeeze |
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| 00:53.26 | fenugreek | doorp: BIOS configured to allow booting from USB first? |
| 00:54.25 | doorp | fenugreek: I select the USB stick manually |
| 00:54.54 | doorp | fenugreek: (I run the installer from a secondary USB stick, and I boot XP and Windows 7 from similar sticks on the very same laptop) |
| 00:55.02 | EmoSpice | doorp: May I ask why you want to do this? It seems like an awful lot of trouble for little gain. |
| 00:55.18 | doorp | EmoSpice: May I ask what is the little gain? |
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| 00:55.37 | doorp | EmoSpice: And obviously you have no clue how many hours I've wasted so far :) |
| 00:55.37 | remapos | hello. |
| 00:55.51 | remapos | i've deleted /usr/share/wicd by mistake |
| 00:55.51 | fenugreek | I assume it's a security scheme |
| 00:56.16 | EmoSpice | doorp: cut your losses, then. :P I simply don't understand why you want to do this... |
| 00:56.20 | doorp | fenugreek: Yup. Keeping the unencrypted bootloader safe |
| 00:56.24 | remapos | now if i do apt-get remove wicd and then apt-get install wicd, wicd still doesnt work |
| 00:56.35 | remapos | how do i solve this? |
| 00:56.50 | doorp | fenugreek: (although the wall I'm hitting having nothing to do with the native encryption, it happens without encryption whatsoever) |
| 00:57.02 | fenugreek | doorp: it's most likely that your GRUB config isn't pointing to the right place, or your GRUB install (to the partition) isn't, or your USB stick isn't where either of those thinks it should be, or your root partition isn't |
| 00:57.07 | fenugreek | going to have to just double check all that |
| 00:57.12 | babilen | !tell remapos -about confmiss |
| 00:57.18 | babilen | !tell remapos -about ucf confmiss |
| 00:57.50 | doorp | fenugreek: I don't really have a lot of options during Install... I can't seem to understand how to even validate these things - yet alone, to configure them? |
| 00:58.25 | fenugreek | well you can fix it post install |
| 00:58.37 | doorp | fenugreek: I tried doing something different |
| 00:58.54 | remapos | ucfq wicd gives out nothing, i'm assuming it doesnt use it |
| 00:59.12 | doorp | fenugreek: I tried creating an isolated partition for the boot, and then used LVM for the encrypted secondary partition |
| 00:59.41 | fenugreek | sounds like a lot of variables =P |
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| 00:59.59 | doorp | fenugreek: Then, after install was done, tried from the working instance of debian to "replicate" the /boot to the USB stick... but then again, after rebooting... I got the exact same misbehavior the Installer gave me |
| 01:00.40 | fenugreek | well as I said, there are a lot of variables |
| 01:01.01 | fenugreek | you need your config in /boot (on the USB stick) to be right for your root partition, and your kernel has to be right |
| 01:01.11 | fenugreek | the grub installed to the partition on the usb stick needs to be right |
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| 01:01.36 | doorp | fenugreek: If it helps, with a different laptop with a regular HDD, it works fine... here I have SSD and I think it's not supported somehow by this bootloader application |
| 01:01.58 | remapos | babilen : didnt work |
| 01:02.04 | fenugreek | doorp: that's quite possible, make sure your kernel has all the drivers you need built in |
| 01:02.19 | fenugreek | doorp: the input box at http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ can help |
| 01:02.30 | remapos | babilen /usr/bin/python: can't open file '/usr/share/wicd/daemon/wicd-daemon.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory |
| 01:02.32 | doorp | fenugreek: Technically it must have all the drivers - no? the bootloader works when I use the MBR of the SSD |
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| 01:03.05 | fenugreek | doorp: mmm I thought you were trying to get it to boot from the USB stick |
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| 01:03.26 | fenugreek | anyways, if it works from the other one, you might not be pointing to the same kernel from each location |
| 01:03.30 | fenugreek | or the config for each might differ |
| 01:04.23 | doorp | fenugreek: I can provide a step-by-step of how I create the USB stick boot manually... feels like having a look at it? (pretty ugly) |
| 01:04.36 | fenugreek | not really =) |
| 01:05.05 | doorp | fenugreek: Anyhow, thanks a lot for your help - very appreciate it |
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| 01:05.10 | fenugreek | the kind of thing that's best set up with physical access to everything, and knowing exactly what you want, blah blah |
| 01:05.13 | doorp | Pretty much reached a deadend |
| 01:05.28 | babilen | remapos: That file is in the wicd-daemon package -- Is it installed? |
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| 01:06.44 | remapos | yes it is babilen |
| 01:06.47 | remapos | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.13 | EmoSpice | remapos: did you reinstall it after you deleted whatever it was you deleted? |
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| 01:07.22 | remapos | yes |
| 01:07.35 | remapos | i reinstalled wicd and wicd-daemon |
| 01:07.59 | remapos | unsing aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall wicd |
| 01:08.14 | remapos | then the same for wicd-daemon |
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| 01:10.31 | babilen | remapos: Could you paste the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy wicd wicd-daemon" as well as "debsums wicd" and "debsums wicd-daemon" ? What does "dpkg -S /usr/share/wicd/daemon/wicd-daemon.py" report? |
| 01:10.44 | babilen | remapos: (paste it to http://paste.debian.net) |
| 01:11.06 | un214 | how do I configure vim to honor vi: entries on line 1 of a file? |
| 01:11.43 | remapos | http://paste.debian.net/plain/152366 babilen |
| 01:11.46 | un214 | e.g. a file starting with /* vi: ts=2 should have tabstop set to 2 spaces |
| 01:12.02 | fenugreek | sounds like a question for #vim |
| 01:12.09 | fenugreek | you might try running 'vi' instead of 'vim', though |
| 01:12.10 | babilen | un214: Do you have a vim package apart from vim-tiny installed? if so ask in #vim please as they are likely to know more about vim than we do. (I'm in there as well, if it turns out to be a Debian problem) |
| 01:12.16 | fenugreek | which should force its compatibility mode |
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| 01:12.31 | un214 | syntax highlighting works |
| 01:12.33 | babilen | +1 on that idea |
| 01:12.52 | un214 | sorry fenugreek no it doesn't |
| 01:12.58 | fenugreek | bummer |
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| 01:13.41 | babilen | remapos: Err, sorry -- I have to go for a few minutes. |
| 01:13.53 | remapos | np, ty |
| 01:14.53 | babilen | remapos: Good luck -- Check debsums, reinstall the packages, search with apt-file -- You can also just unpack the .deb manually (dpkg -x) and copy the files in place if everything else fails. I might ping later when I am back again ... |
| 01:15.10 | remapos | k |
| 01:15.15 | remapos | thx again. |
| 01:16.20 | EmoSpice | I really should've paid more attention to the packages I was installing... I really don't need Gnome and all of the associated stuff -_- |
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| 01:19.02 | fenugreek | EmoSpice: live and learn =) |
| 01:19.09 | EmoSpice | fenugreek: I |
| 01:19.11 | EmoSpice | ... |
| 01:19.21 | EmoSpice | I'm a bit spoiled by Crux and Lunar :P |
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| 01:19.44 | fenugreek | why, because they don't have the automation that brings in random GNOME deps? =) |
| 01:20.11 | EmoSpice | exactly :P |
| 01:20.23 | EmoSpice | Then again - they don't have the same stability and binary packages. |
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| 01:22.27 | un214 | babilen: debian problem after all. they changed the default from on to off |
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| 01:37.39 | sisif | Hello good people. Anyone here has any idea on what should be the issue with Pulseaudio eating too much CPU ? |
| 01:40.37 | fredddd | What do I need to do to make something in /etc/cron.daily work? |
| 01:40.46 | fredddd | It seems to not do it by default? |
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| 01:41.05 | jordanm | fredddd: sure it does, based on /etc/crontab |
| 01:41.12 | fredddd | If I create a document, put in sh /my/script.sh on a line, and save, chmod +x document, should it not work? |
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| 01:42.11 | fredddd | It starts with 55 1 * * * |
| 01:42.14 | fredddd | What does that mean? |
| 01:42.19 | jordanm | fredddd: inside of a file? it should have a valid shebang |
| 01:42.24 | jordanm | fredddd: man 5 crontab |
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| 01:43.02 | fredddd | You want me to read this whole excerpt to figure out of 55 1 does what I think it means? |
| 01:43.03 | jordanm | fredddd: typically, you would symlink your script to /etc/cron.daily/ instead of having a sh script call a sh script |
| 01:43.25 | fredddd | But doing that should work as well, right? |
| 01:43.40 | jordanm | if your script isn't broken, yes |
| 01:43.57 | fredddd | Works just fine if I sh /etc/cron.daily/document myself. |
| 01:44.08 | fredddd | Seems to not work by itself though. =c |
| 01:44.19 | fredddd | It is supposed to update the content of http://waffl.es/ =/ |
| 01:44.47 | jordanm | fredddd: did you check root's mail for errors? |
| 01:45.01 | fredddd | My root's mail? |
| 01:45.06 | jordanm | the environment that the script is ran in via cron is not going to be the same as your login session |
| 01:45.13 | fredddd | Should it not tell me if I haev mail when I SSH into it? |
| 01:45.24 | jordanm | fredddd: yes, output of root cronjobs go to root's mail |
| 01:45.27 | DustyDingo | hi, what is the current deault program, which is used to sync time? |
| 01:45.39 | fredddd | jordanm, then I have none. |
| 01:45.41 | DustyDingo | i can't see any ntp package installed |
| 01:45.48 | jordanm | DustyDingo: there is none by default |
| 01:45.49 | DustyDingo | on a new debian installation |
| 01:45.51 | jordanm | !ntp |
| 01:45.51 | dpkg | The Network Time Protocol (NTP) is used to synchronize the clocks of computer systems over a network. "aptitude install ntp" is enough to get going and synchronise your clock using the default ntp pool. http://wiki.debian.org/NTP http://www.ntp.org/ See also <set time>, <pool.ntp>. |
| 01:46.03 | jordanm | fredddd: no emails? |
| 01:46.42 | DustyDingo | jordanm: but something is syncing my system clock ;) |
| 01:46.42 | fredddd | No. |
| 01:47.03 | jordanm | fredddd: and how have you tested to verify that this script is not working? |
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| 01:47.49 | fredddd | Well, I manually run it, it works, I put a document with sh /the/script/location in /etc/cron.daily <- nothing for more than the last twenty four hours. |
| 01:48.09 | fredddd | By manually running it, I run the document that I put in /etc/cron.daily |
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| 01:49.54 | jordanm | fredddd: create a test script and change the time daily executes |
| 01:50.08 | jordanm | fredddd: what version of debian are you using? |
| 01:50.13 | fredddd | Debian 6 64-bit. |
| 01:50.15 | haole | i'm trying to build octave-3.4 from experimental, but i'm getting errors at the dh_makeshlibs step... what is usually done with problems in this step? |
| 01:51.06 | DustyDingo | i never set the time on this box and the clock seems accurate to the second,... after installing debian halph a year ago |
| 01:51.24 | jordanm | haole: pastebin the output |
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| 01:51.54 | haole | jordanm: i just lost the output and i'm trying to generate it again... if you are still here a few minutes from now i'll paste it |
| 01:52.21 | fredddd | jordanm, I have no idea how to do all the things you are asking me, I was hoping I could just make a script run daily by linking it within a document I put in /etc/cron.daily. :( |
| 01:52.36 | jordanm | fredddd: you can |
| 01:52.39 | fredddd | 55 1 meaning minute 55 hour 1? |
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| 01:52.59 | jordanm | fredddd: man 5 crontab. I think its even explained in the comments of /etc/crontab itself |
| 01:53.28 | fredddd | How can I obtain the system time from terminal? |
| 01:53.37 | fredddd | Never mind got it. |
| 01:54.29 | jordanm | ,checkbackport liboctave0 |
| 01:54.32 | judd | No package named 'liboctave0' was found in sid/i386. |
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| 01:55.35 | jordanm | ,checkbackport octave3.2 |
| 01:55.37 | judd | Backporting package octave3.2 in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
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| 01:57.31 | babilen | jordanm: I guess that haole requires octave 3.4.* which is currently only in experimental and therefore tries to backport that. |
| 01:57.51 | babilen | ,versions octave |
| 01:57.52 | judd | No package named 'octave' was found in i386. |
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| 01:58.14 | babilen | ,versions octave --arch amd64 |
| 01:58.16 | judd | Package: octave on amd64 -- experimental: 3.4.3-1 |
| 01:58.25 | babilen | haole: Are you sure that 3.2 won't do? |
| 01:58.26 | dvs | really? |
| 01:58.37 | babilen | dvs: Really what? |
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| 01:58.59 | dvs | unless they changed the naming scheme for octave |
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| 01:59.32 | jordanm | looks like the same as the others. just looks like they had FTBFS on i386 |
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| 01:59.46 | jordanm | haole: are you on i386 or amd64? |
| 02:00.03 | DSee | Hello, just installed Debian, and after grub, it hangs on: "waiting for /dev to be fully populated", what should I do? |
| 02:00.18 | fenugreek | DSee: installed to hard disk? |
| 02:00.22 | chaospsychex | can someone help me on editing my dhcpd3.conf file to get the server started? i want to send out DHCP requests on eth0 but not wlan0 |
| 02:00.38 | DSee | fenugreek yes, SSD |
| 02:00.56 | fenugreek | mmm |
| 02:01.10 | chaospsychex | DSee: did you try rebooting ? |
| 02:01.17 | chaospsychex | DSee: has happened to me a few times |
| 02:01.18 | DSee | many times.. |
| 02:01.27 | chaospsychex | oh |
| 02:01.28 | fenugreek | you could be missing drivers |
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| 02:01.46 | DSee | it actually never booted. This is a fresh install.. installed it, rebooted, boom! won';t work |
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| 02:02.24 | rigil | any idea why networkmanager does not show up in the tray any longer? |
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| 02:02.56 | fenugreek | DSee: not in a virtual machine or anything? |
| 02:03.11 | GTRsdk | java webstart application in openjdk? |
| 02:03.17 | b0gatyr | hello, so I'm trying to install debian on a netbook using a usb stick but as soon as the installation screen comes up my keyboard becomes dead. no key response. any idea? |
| 02:03.32 | DSee | fenugreek no sr.. This is also not my first Linux install |
| 02:03.47 | fenugreek | b0gatyr: the red/blue/gray framebuffer installer? |
| 02:04.24 | fenugreek | DSee: start by using http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to make sure you have all the vital drivers built into your kernel |
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| 02:04.43 | b0gatyr | fenugreek: sorry , not following. ? |
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| 02:05.13 | fenugreek | b0gatyr: what does the installer screen look like? |
| 02:05.44 | b0gatyr | black background with 4 options: Install, Install with GUI, etc etc |
| 02:06.28 | haole | babilen: no, i'm not sure, but i want to use scalapack as octave's blas and i don't know if it will be easy to do, so i figured that the latest version would raisa may chances of succeeding |
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| 02:06.37 | fenugreek | b0gatyr: and your keyboard doesn't work even at that screen? |
| 02:06.39 | haole | jordanm: amd64 |
| 02:07.13 | b0gatyr | fenugreek: nope, I've tried plugin an external usb keyboard but no luck |
| 02:07.37 | edju | wireless used to work, but stopped. tried to get it manually w/ dhclient, but nogo - No DHCPOFFERS received. googled like mad, but still no wifi.. |
| 02:07.40 | b0gatyr | fenugreek: I've also tried using a different usb stick and I get the same behavior |
| 02:08.06 | fenugreek | b0gatyr: yes it's more likely the install media is confused by your hardware |
| 02:08.14 | fenugreek | your keyboard hardware, that is |
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| 02:09.32 | fenugreek | b0gatyr: which install media have you tried? |
| 02:09.53 | b0gatyr | fenugreek: just usb, I don't have a cdrom on this netbook.. |
| 02:10.13 | chaospsychex | is anyone in here experienced with dhcp ? |
| 02:10.39 | b0gatyr | fenugreek: I could try using an external usb cd rom i guess |
| 02:10.43 | fenugreek | b0gatyr: but which image/s |
| 02:10.54 | fenugreek | b0gatyr: CD1? netinstall? businesscard? |
| 02:10.55 | b0gatyr | fenugreek: oh debian 6.03 |
| 02:11.00 | fenugreek | CD1? |
| 02:11.00 | b0gatyr | .3* |
| 02:11.22 | b0gatyr | fenugreek: no the netinst iso |
| 02:11.28 | fenugreek | hrmm |
| 02:11.35 | fenugreek | you might try the CD1 image instead |
| 02:12.09 | b0gatyr | fenugreek: ok, i'll give it a shot now.. hoepfully that does it =) |
| 02:12.34 | fenugreek | sometimes simplest to just find other install media that 'just works' |
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| 02:16.20 | sanduz2 | can someone help me understand why my deb vm isnt connecting to the net? it usually works but for some reason isc-dhcpd-server fails, and it says to check syslog for diagnostics but i dont really see any valuable info in there unless im checking the wrong file |
| 02:16.50 | sanduz2 | i checked both dmesg and log/messages |
| 02:17.10 | fenugreek | sanduz2: vm software? host os? |
| 02:17.35 | sanduz2 | fenugreek, virtualbox and ubuntu |
| 02:17.43 | sanduz2 | usually works fine, other vms workin fine |
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| 02:17.57 | sanduz2 | tried both NAt and Bridged |
| 02:18.03 | fenugreek | sanduz2: and you didn't accidentally uncheck the enable network device thing? |
| 02:18.25 | sanduz2 | nope |
| 02:18.42 | fenugreek | your host can connect? |
| 02:18.58 | sanduz2 | to the net? yes im on it right here |
| 02:19.04 | fenugreek | k |
| 02:19.14 | haole | jordanm: the last lines of the output of dpkg-buildpackage: http://pastebin.com/jw1yppHe |
| 02:19.28 | fenugreek | sanduz2: so the vm net config matches other working ones at this point? |
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| 02:20.22 | sanduz2 | fenugreek, yes |
| 02:20.58 | fenugreek | okay then we have to assume it's just an ordinary misconfiguration with nothing to do with the VM situation |
| 02:21.11 | fenugreek | did you say this particular VM guest used to connect just fine? |
| 02:21.21 | LinuxGuy20091 | Hey guys is there any way to run Debian entirely from ram? I just ordered 8GB and running from ram would be seriously fast if its possible to do. |
| 02:21.36 | fenugreek | LinuxGuy20091: course |
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| 02:21.57 | sanduz2 | fenugreek, well i reinstalled it just now but the same OS and iso installer used to work right after installation yes |
| 02:22.05 | fenugreek | or you could use a solid state disk |
| 02:22.14 | fenugreek | sanduz2: mmm |
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| 02:22.28 | fenugreek | sanduz2: connection works if you boot a live image? |
| 02:22.36 | LinuxGuy20091 | fenugreek: Know of a guide to accomplish running from ram? |
| 02:22.50 | sanduz2 | fenugreek, havent tried with this iso |
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| 02:23.04 | fenugreek | LinuxGuy20091: no, but there are some =) |
| 02:23.11 | fenugreek | and some distros just for this purpose, even |
| 02:23.45 | fenugreek | sanduz2: well if the connection works from the live media, that would definitely point to a misconfiguration in the installed system only |
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| 02:26.28 | sanduz2 | fenugreek, thanks ill try that. by the way, what do you think the problem might be if you had to guess? to me it sounds like driver issues? |
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| 02:27.05 | sanduz2 | fenugreek, i actually figured something out though, this is a slightly different iso that for some reason has appeared on my system... debian rescue. i never downloaded it |
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| 02:27.17 | sanduz2 | but i wanted the challenge of trying to figure it out |
| 02:27.51 | fenugreek | well definitely make sure support for the generic vbox network device driver is there first |
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| 02:29.44 | sanduz2 | fenugreek, whats the best way to do that? ive never dealt with drivers much |
| 02:30.07 | sisif | guys, updating from squeeze to whezzy, is it enough to replace the repos & update & upgrade, or do I need to do something else too ? |
| 02:30.31 | fenugreek | sanduz2: it's um, e1000 or something by default, I forget; lspci | grep -i net should say what the (emulated) device is |
| 02:30.42 | fenugreek | sanduz2: then just make sure the module is loaded (lsmod) or that it's built into the kernel |
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| 02:37.04 | sanduz2 | fenugreek, lspci showed me that the PCI that its an "Intel Corp 82540EM Ethernet Controller" and lsmod shows me the e1000, but when i grep lsmod for intel it mainly shows me audio drivers i think |
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| 02:37.49 | gimpy135 | sanduz2: You may not be using a module then, it might just be built into the kernel. |
| 02:38.00 | jordanm | e1000 is the right driver |
| 02:38.01 | fenugreek | e1000 is it, IIRC |
| 02:38.09 | sanduz2 | hmm weird |
| 02:38.29 | fenugreek | next is network config |
| 02:38.36 | jordanm | lspci -k was the command you were really looking for |
| 02:38.48 | sanduz2 | why does lspci show Intel Controller if the driver is supposed to some vbox virtual device type thing? |
| 02:39.15 | jordanm | sanduz2: vbox emulates hardware. what kind of device vbox emulates is configurable |
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| 02:39.49 | sanduz2 | jordanm, oh i see. |
| 02:39.50 | fenugreek | not usually much reason to change from the default, though |
| 02:40.32 | jordanm | it selects sane defaults for that when you select what type of OS you are going to run |
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| 02:41.17 | sanduz2 | i see |
| 02:42.35 | sanduz2 | how would one find out which is the right driver for the 'hardware' listed in lspci? |
| 02:42.47 | sanduz2 | googling? |
| 02:42.49 | jordanm | sanduz2: lspci -k |
| 02:43.01 | jordanm | the kernel autoloads modules |
| 02:43.14 | sanduz2 | doesnt that just list the hardware? |
| 02:43.27 | jordanm | -k lists the kernel module that each device is using |
| 02:43.36 | sanduz2 | ohh |
| 02:43.48 | fenugreek | http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 02:43.54 | sanduz2 | ahh i didnt even notice that, nice command |
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| 02:44.31 | sanduz2 | fenugreek, cool. that would be the one to use if perhaps a device doesnt have a working driver right? |
| 02:44.39 | sanduz2 | if it didnt what would lspci show? |
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| 02:45.07 | fenugreek | eh? |
| 02:45.11 | sanduz2 | would it omit the device or specifically mention that theres no driver for it? (lspci -k) |
| 02:45.25 | sanduz2 | if a driver wasnt available for a device |
| 02:45.32 | fenugreek | lspci will tell you what devices appear to exist and what drivers if any are assigned to them |
| 02:45.44 | sanduz2 | ah, so they wouldnt even show up there |
| 02:45.46 | sanduz2 | cool |
| 02:45.59 | sanduz2 | oh wait maybe not... heh sorry |
| 02:46.01 | fenugreek | they what? |
| 02:46.08 | pigdude | how do i get ratpoison to work in debian 7? |
| 02:46.17 | fenugreek | pigdude: install it, use it? |
| 02:46.29 | pigdude | i installed it, but i see an obscure error message on `ratpoison` |
| 02:46.50 | fenugreek | ...which is? |
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| 02:47.13 | sanduz2 | fenugreek, sorry. im just wondering if lspci would show all hardware on the system, regardless of whether a driver is available to it or not |
| 02:47.31 | fenugreek | sanduz2: it would, pci stuff anyways |
| 02:47.40 | sanduz2 | ok cool |
| 02:47.41 | pigdude | fenugreek, i'll look into it a little further first :^) |
| 02:47.56 | fenugreek | you're probably good on the driver, it's probably something else |
| 02:48.01 | fenugreek | the link I gave you can confirm |
| 02:48.15 | sanduz2 | k ill try that thanks |
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| 02:50.10 | pigdude | i have another, more serious issue: i try to build a wifi driver, and i get this error even though i installed build-essential: make: *** /lib/modules/3.1.0-1-486/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 02:50.21 | pigdude | the directory is there, but not the file "build" |
| 02:54.50 | un214 | you need kernel source |
| 02:55.07 | pigdude | yes, i have that installed though |
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| 02:55.23 | un214 | hmmm create build. it's a symlink to the kernel source tree |
| 02:55.26 | pigdude | i A linux-headers-3.1.0-1-686-pae |
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| 02:55.36 | un214 | linux-headers isn't good enough |
| 02:55.40 | pigdude | what package? |
| 02:56.03 | un214 | by the time you get to this point of needing the build link, no package will do |
| 02:56.04 | pigdude | or i need to symlink something? |
| 02:56.14 | un214 | it wants the kernel source tree you built the kernel from |
| 02:56.27 | pigdude | well shit :^) |
| 02:56.32 | un214 | (not just untarred: untarred, configured, built) |
| 02:56.35 | pigdude | i haven't build the kernel |
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| 02:57.07 | pigdude | and i don't particularly want to reinstall a kernel i've build from scratch ... i think i got this going fairly easily in deb6 |
| 02:57.11 | pigdude | (2yrs ago) |
| 02:57.18 | un214 | hmmm |
| 02:57.48 | un214 | maybe adding symlink to /usr/src/linux-headers-3.1.0-1-686-pae works |
| 02:57.50 | un214 | maybe not |
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| 02:58.28 | un214 | works for virtualbox, but not for ndiswrapper the last time I tried it |
| 02:59.05 | pigdude | oh this covers me http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
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| 03:00.30 | pigdude | hm, it seems mine should be covered by the kernel i'm running! |
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| 03:01.10 | un214 | yeah it does |
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| 03:02.34 | arietis | can anyone explain me how smartctl works? |
| 03:02.57 | arietis | i don't understand how to check if value is critical |
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| 03:06.39 | epsilon | arietis: post the result on paste.debian.net |
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| 03:07.43 | arietis | epsilon: http://paste.debian.net/152371/ |
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| 03:10.34 | pigdude | un214, wow works! linux so good ^^ |
| 03:10.43 | pigdude | i don't have to build that damn driver anymore |
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| 03:12.14 | epsilon | arietis: Raw_Read_Error_Rate = ignore |
| 03:13.36 | epsilon | Reallocated_Sector_Ct and and Current_Pending_Sector at 0 is good, if they increases some little part on the disc just died |
| 03:14.38 | epsilon | UDMA_CRC_Error_Count may be interesting, it occurs if there is an error in the sata/ide bus, like bad contact of the cable |
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| 03:15.39 | epsilon | high value stuff like ECC Error, seek error, recover you can ignore, nothing you can do about |
| 03:16.19 | arietis | so it seems to be ok |
| 03:16.22 | epsilon | other stuff like temperatur or start count is self-explaining I hope - short: the disc is healthy |
| 03:16.33 | arietis | but i have weird noise from it |
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| 03:16.58 | arietis | when watching video |
| 03:17.00 | epsilon | to run a long test: smartctl -t long <device> |
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| 03:17.39 | arietis | same noise as if i was using dvd instead which is rsonating |
| 03:17.57 | epsilon | once started the long test, you can see how long the test will take with smartctl -a <device> |
| 03:18.13 | epsilon | with 7,2k disc and 1TB like few hours I guess |
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| 03:20.19 | Some_Person | Is it safe to upgrade from stable to testing? |
| 03:20.42 | epsilon | well it's testing, stuff may break |
| 03:21.10 | un214 | the general procedure is currently safe if you're able to debug your machine not booting |
| 03:21.17 | Some_Person | Do things break often? I think I can deal with occasional breaking, but if it's like every day then no |
| 03:21.32 | un214 | at this point, things aren't getting broke often |
| 03:21.49 | EmoSpice | Some_Person: It's not that frequently, from what I understand. |
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| 03:22.03 | un214 | !sysvinit |
| 03:22.03 | dpkg | sysvinit is an essential package providing System-V-like init utilities (e.g. /sbin/init), required to boot a Debian system. zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz . See also <dependency based startup> and <concurrent boot>. |
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| 03:22.23 | epsilon | next version is still in development and still far away from getting frozen, so expect everything |
| 03:22.58 | un214 | how do I get the changelog of a package, say sysvinit? |
| 03:23.10 | Some_Person | Well, I'd just like to be able to use newer packages |
| 03:23.26 | acu_ | hey guys did anyone use freedns.afraid.org ? - and their domain services? I want to know if they are reliable - not technically but also financially - ? |
| 03:23.26 | epsilon | un214: usually there is a changelog text file somwhere in /usr |
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| 03:23.53 | Some_Person | From what I understand, testing isn't as crazy as unstable (changing every day), but I do understand that it would break more often than stable |
| 03:23.55 | EmoSpice | acu_: I've used them. Not for anything huge, but they were reliable enough |
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| 03:24.10 | epsilon | un214: dpkg -L sysvinit | grep doc |
| 03:24.11 | druonysuse | I am looking for a package to connect to an sslvpn... does, anyone know of one? |
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| 03:24.29 | Some_Person | I've been running stable since squeeze was released, and I just want newer stuff |
| 03:24.46 | EmoSpice | I really need to set up the smart filter in weechat. I forgot how noisy a channel can be without it. |
| 03:24.58 | Some_Person | So should I switch to testing? |
| 03:25.02 | acu_ | EmoSpice, did you buy the domain from them - FreeDNS - DOmain registry ? - so I have to pay only for domain - and the dynamic dns is offered free ? |
| 03:25.05 | EmoSpice | Some_Person: #archlinux is that way ----> ;P |
| 03:25.20 | Some_Person | EmoSpice: ? |
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| 03:25.26 | EmoSpice | I used one of their sub-domains. |
| 03:25.35 | epsilon | Some_Person: depends how important the system is, if you can live with it even it breaks, try it |
| 03:25.56 | EmoSpice | Some_Person: You're describing their "newer is always better" mentality. (and I was kidding ;) ) |
| 03:26.27 | un214 | make /etc/mtab a symlink to /proc/mounts -- GAK! |
| 03:26.27 | Some_Person | EmoSpice: I don't think newer is always better, and if I were running, say, a server where uptime is important, I would run stable for sure |
| 03:26.39 | acu_ | Some_Person: Debian Wheezy is relatively stable - with almost everything cutting edge - I run it in 5 computers - it uses GNOME3 kernle 3.101 and the applications are all almost latest |
| 03:26.43 | un214 | you have no idea how much stuff this will break |
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| 03:27.46 | acu_ | Emospice: did you you dynamic DNS service, is it free ? |
| 03:27.55 | Some_Person | EmoSpice: Heck, I think that the fact that I currently have a pile of 4 retro computers at the end of my bed demonstrates that I do like older stuff sometimes :-) |
| 03:27.56 | acu_ | where are they located ? |
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| 03:28.24 | EmoSpice | Some_Person: I meant that they have that mentality (or, rather, many of them do....I run arch on 2 machines here.) If you want newer packages, Wheezy should be stable enough (unless you want bleeding-edge - then I WOULD suggest arch) |
| 03:28.50 | EmoSpice | acu_: I used their dynamic dns + a subdomain, but I've got no idea where they' |
| 03:28.53 | EmoSpice | re located. |
| 03:29.00 | Some_Person | I don't necessarily want bleeding edge |
| 03:29.06 | Some_Person | just newer than a year ago |
| 03:29.15 | acu_ | Cutting edge is good - Debian Wheezy :) |
| 03:29.58 | EmoSpice | acu_: 's what I'm running. I just needed something with less maintainence than Arch for this work machine. It's looking good so far. |
| 03:30.08 | acu_ | I had trouble with ATI card on gnome3 but now the free driver works fine - better thant he proprietary one |
| 03:30.40 | EmoSpice | acu_: I'm not sure I'll stick with gnome3. I'm normally a dwm/monsterwm user. this whole "computer does things for me" thing is odd. |
| 03:30.52 | zykotick9 | I lasted 2 days using Wheezy (today I'm back to Stable). SegFaults using mutt, general system instability using nouveau 3d (but it did work, which was my origional motivation for trying wheezy). I <3 stable. |
| 03:31.27 | EmoSpice | zykotick9: I'd compile nouveau from source to get a better idea. Their development is moving pretty quickly |
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| 03:31.55 | acu_ | zykotick9, yes for Nvidia I compile the proprietary driver - works perfect - for ATI free one |
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| 03:32.17 | boudiccas | what is the key-presses please to find certain text in terminal please? i want to find firefox and opera |
| 03:32.24 | zykotick9 | acu_: i'd never tried nouveau 3d before, i've used the proprietary driver lots. |
| 03:32.26 | EmoSpice | I tried freebsd on this machine but the broadcom module was crap (and I *need* wpa + good signal strength for work) |
| 03:32.35 | EmoSpice | boudiccas: certain text? |
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| 03:33.00 | boudiccas | yes, 'firefox' and 'opera' |
| 03:33.21 | EmoSpice | boudiccas: are you looking for the paths to those executables or are you looking to extract lines containing those words from a text file? |
| 03:33.46 | EmoSpice | (or do you want to search irssi/weechat's backlogs?) |
| 03:33.47 | boudiccas | i've got a long listing from when i made a tar.gz file and now i want to find all instances of 'firefox' and also 'opera' |
| 03:33.50 | acu_ | boudiccas, CTRL +F ffor firefox - you can go to Edit Find - |
| 03:34.05 | acu_ | your question is confusing though - |
| 03:34.19 | EmoSpice | boudiccas: can you remake the tar.gz and redirect stdout to a file? |
| 03:34.27 | Some_Person | I also pretty much like the way debian works -- I came here from ubuntu, which I consider it many times better than for me. So I guess I'll go with debian testing |
| 03:34.43 | boudiccas | there is no 'edit >find'! |
| 03:35.05 | boudiccas | emspice the latter |
| 03:35.10 | zykotick9 | Some_Person: testing reminds me of ubuntu a bit, less stable - lots of updates. good luck. |
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| 03:35.28 | acu_ | boudiccas, your question is confusing - what do you want ? to find file names and their location in your computer ? |
| 03:35.30 | acu_ | !find |
| 03:35.44 | EmoSpice | boudiccas: I understand what you want, but I'm not sure I have an answer for you. I don't know how to search the backlog of a terminal, unless you want to recreate the tar.gz and redirect the output |
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| 03:36.15 | boudiccas | acu; i want to find their path to their cache so that i cna then put it in a exclude file to use with rsync |
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| 03:37.02 | EmoSpice | (in which case gzip blahblahblah > ~/blah.log; grep "Opera" ~/blah.log; grep "firefox" ~/blah.log") |
| 03:37.11 | boudiccas | EmoSpice; but i already have the output in terminal screen, i just need to find where the caches of the two program are |
| 03:37.28 | EmoSpice | boudiccas: Problem is, you didn't redirect the output somewhere searchable. |
| 03:37.37 | EmoSpice | ohai meskarune. Tired of #archlinux-offtopic? :P |
| 03:38.06 | acu_ | boudiccas, you have to open it with an text editor - nano - then press CTRL -W and type the string you want |
| 03:38.14 | Some_Person | zykotick9: That's not the aspect of ubuntu that caused me to leave it |
| 03:38.46 | Some_Person | but I don't really think it would be right for me to rant about that here |
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| 03:39.07 | acu_ | no you are right |
| 03:39.32 | acu_ | there is a debian offtopic for ranting :) |
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| 03:41.11 | acu_ | boudiccas: send the output to a text e.g. history >HISTORY_FOR_SEARCH.txt then you can search it with an editor |
| 03:41.21 | Some_Person | Now, is it safe to make the upgrade with random 3rd-party packages installed, or should I somehow get rid of/roll back all of those? |
| 03:41.24 | EmoSpice | (or grep) |
| 03:41.44 | acu_ | Some_Person: from squeeze to wheezy ? |
| 03:41.53 | Some_Person | acu_: Yes |
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| 03:42.40 | acu_ | you need to change the repositories /etc/apt/sources.list replace squeeze with wheezy - save the file -then aptitude update ---- then aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 03:43.08 | Some_Person | acu_: What about 3rd party stuff? There are some packages I pulled from ubuntu PPAs and stuff in here |
| 03:43.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps whats a easy way to allow me to see the boot up my my physical machines? I am too poor for a proper kvm, i would need atleast 4 pc connections.. |
| 03:43.48 | acu_ | there is a way to clean all loose ends - I forgot about it - something with clean - Some_person what packages ? |
| 03:43.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | should i try a serial connection? |
| 03:44.50 | Some_Person | acu_: Probably a lot of things. I'm not sure how I can make a list |
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| 03:45.02 | acu_ | Eryn_1983_FL, you want to see remotely the bootup process of your machines ? |
| 03:45.19 | un214 | Isn't there a bootlog program? |
| 03:45.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | its check my Filesystems and i cant see a dang thing until its done like 4 hours later.. |
| 03:45.40 | un214 | I don't know an easy way but I know an interesting way |
| 03:45.50 | acu_ | some_person if you do not care just do a dist-upgrade as I said - should work - I did from squeeze to wheezy - but did not have anything I cared for |
| 03:45.53 | un214 | how much time you got? |
| 03:46.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | all the time in the world |
| 03:46.39 | un214 | ok we'll have to take a bunch of stuff apart here but this *will* work -- trust me |
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| 03:46.45 | acu_ | there are some tools for verbose boot - did it long ago |
| 03:46.50 | acu_ | !boot verbose |
| 03:46.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 03:46.58 | acu_ | !boot |
| 03:47.22 | un214 | the general idea is to start networking and ssh before attempting filesystems |
| 03:47.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | ah |
| 03:47.34 | EmoSpice | Now *I'M* interested. And I don't even have a remote machine to try this on. Good sell, un214 :) |
| 03:47.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | that would work.. |
| 03:47.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | yay its up |
| 03:47.59 | un214 | this turns out to require static IP address assignment |
| 03:48.36 | EmoSpice | un214: How would this work, since the ssh daemon would be running from the filesystem? |
| 03:48.47 | Some_Person | acu_: Put it this way: http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/214/screenshotsoftwaresourc.png and http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/2333/screenshotsynapticpacka.png |
| 03:48.51 | un214 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:49.05 | un214 | assuming /usr is in / this will work as-is |
| 03:49.19 | EmoSpice | unless, like me, you've got a second partition for /usr |
| 03:49.51 | un214 | In which case EmoSpice, you'll need to dpkg-divert sshd onto / somehow |
| 03:50.13 | EmoSpice | un214: or just write a hook that also mounts /usr. |
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| 03:50.41 | Some_Person | acu_: Is it safe to have all that random crap around? |
| 03:50.54 | EmoSpice | un214: (but I don't pretend to understand sysv particularly well either) |
| 03:51.06 | un214 | anyway, step 1: dpkg-divert --divert /sbin/init.dpkg --rename /sbin/init |
| 03:51.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 03:51.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 03:51.26 | un214 | EmoSpice: that won't work as mounting /usr breaks the fsck script |
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| 03:51.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah that sounds more trouble then its worth |
| 03:51.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | perhaps i buy that 400$ kvm first |
| 03:51.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | or get some other appliance. |
| 03:51.53 | EmoSpice | un214: again - I'm more of a BSD init type |
| 03:52.01 | un214 | now your system doesn't work until you do step 2 |
| 03:52.31 | un214 | step 2 is as follows: create /sbin/init as a shell script that does the following: |
| 03:53.01 | Some_Person | So should I get rid of all that crap in my system before going stable -> testing, or does it not matter? |
| 03:53.13 | un214 | if [ $$ -eq 1] ; then /sbin/ifconfig eth0 a.b.c.d up ; /usr/sbin/sshd ; fi ; exec /sbin/init.real "$@" |
| 03:53.14 | acu_ | Some_Person: have no ideea - I do not use ubuntu - chrome is chromium webbrowser ? because those are available packaged for debian - so I would not see a reason to have them- the multimedia yes - for dvd codecs - but that has also a wheezy option I think :) |
| 03:54.04 | Some_Person | acu_: I think I needed a newer version of chrom(e/ium) for something |
| 03:54.05 | un214 | now enable bootlog (there's directions from that) |
| 03:54.12 | nsadmin | but it's not called init.real, didn't you say init.dpkg? |
| 03:54.16 | acu_ | but the update from squeeze to wheezy is dramatic - the kernels are 1000 years appart and all other applications |
| 03:54.22 | un214 | nsabmin: good catch |
| 03:54.36 | Some_Person | acu_: Oh, I remember what it was: Angry Birds! |
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| 03:55.15 | nsadmin | Yeah, I catch everything... they should make me a baseball player, then I'll get all the chicks and money... |
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| 03:55.21 | un214 | incidentally I actually did stuff like this in college when I only had space for one monitor and was doing kernel development on a headless machine |
| 03:55.33 | un214 | it wasn't debian though |
| 03:55.36 | Alazare619 | does anyone here use x11vnc and have a init.d script for it so it can run 24/7 |
| 03:55.55 | acu_ | some_person: I would disable those repos - dist-upgrade and see what is there - you may not need those extra things |
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| 03:57.06 | Some_Person | acu_: So you don't think any of that stuff (especially the local stuff in the screenshot of synaptic I posted -- libstdc++6 sounds important) will break an upgrade? |
| 03:57.12 | un214 | Alazre619: I start stuff from /etc/rc.local |
| 03:57.51 | un214 | Now the question is Eryn_1983_FL: do you have the guts |
| 03:58.09 | un214 | as nsadmin noticed, I keyed it in a bit sloppy so you better be ready to debug this when you try it |
| 03:58.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 03:58.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah me not that brave |
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| 03:58.45 | un214 | init=/bin/sh is your friend when you break bootscripts |
| 04:00.13 | nsadmin | Eryn_1983_FL, are these machines far away? or?" |
| 04:00.24 | Some_Person | Well? |
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| 04:00.36 | nsadmin | Deep! |
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| 04:01.37 | un214 | what's the matter nsadmin? |
| 04:02.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | nah |
| 04:02.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | they are below the desk lol |
| 04:02.42 | un214 | I cooked up a scheme once involving starting sshd from the initramfs, but it's a bit hard to maintain on debian |
| 04:02.46 | nsadmin | Other than preparing for an afrocuban gig... nothin! |
| 04:02.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | I just don't want to have to unplug my monitors to look at the other.. |
| 04:03.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | pain in the butt and the monitors are finkey |
| 04:03.24 | nsadmin | Eryn_1983_FL, so you have physical access... |
| 04:03.28 | un214 | well you've nothing to lose more than unplugging and replugging twyce Eryn |
| 04:03.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah but no more monitors |
| 04:04.09 | un214 | I've done dist-upgrade from one debian major to the next over ssh before |
| 04:04.19 | nsadmin | Perhaps, Eryn_1983_FL, you could arrange then so that you can easily access the back and front, and make it easy to move the monitor cable |
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| 04:05.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | i suppose |
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| 04:05.10 | nsadmin | but obviously, having a switch like that will be easier on your knees |
| 04:05.15 | brotatos | dpkg: error: cannot scan updates directory `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/': No such file or directory What do I do? |
| 04:05.16 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, brotatos |
| 04:05.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | i need a rack i think and better desks.. |
| 04:05.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | alas no money |
| 04:05.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | busted car and busted pipe take precedent |
| 04:05.33 | brotatos | This was after a "sudo dpkg --configure -a". |
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| 04:06.30 | nsadmin | brotatos is /var mounted separately? |
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| 04:06.45 | brotatos | nsadmin: no. it's all on one partition. |
| 04:07.14 | nsadmin | brotatos ls -d /var /var/lib /var/lig/dpkg /var/lib/dpkg/updates |
| 04:07.32 | nsadmin | do you get any errors? |
| 04:07.35 | acu_ | Eryn_1983_FL, what is the purpose - you have 4 computers without monitors - and you want to watch them when they boot, or while you install them ? - because there is a remote ssh installation - in expert mode - but I did not get exactly why do you want to watch them while they boot - after they boot you can connect through ssh or VNC and look at logs - syslog and others you can enable to see the booting process in detail |
| 04:07.37 | brotatos | nsadmin: ls: cannot access /var/lib/dpkg/updates: No such file or directory |
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| 04:08.00 | zane | can someone look at this and tell me why this is happening? pastie.org/3192941 |
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| 04:08.38 | karthick87 | dhcp-server service is not getting started can anyone help me pls ? |
| 04:09.17 | zane | karthick87: im having the same issue |
| 04:09.22 | nsadmin | brotatos, if ! test -e /var/lib/dpkg/updates ; then echo yes ; fi |
| 04:09.29 | acu_ | karthick87, what are the messages - how do you know is not started - you may have rogue dhcp servers - means extra dhcp serves conflicting and shuting down each other |
| 04:09.38 | Some_Person | Should I get rid of (all|some) of this stuff before upgrading from stable -> testing? http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/2333/screenshotsynapticpacka.png and http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/214/screenshotsoftwaresourc.png |
| 04:09.40 | brotatos | nsadmin: yes |
| 04:09.40 | zane | it's saying it's not configured to listen on any interfaces but IT IS |
| 04:09.52 | nsadmin | so that dir definitely does not exist |
| 04:10.19 | zane | acu_: can u look at pastie.org/3192941 and tell me what's going on? |
| 04:10.23 | karthick87 | acu_: Getting this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/805843/ |
| 04:11.14 | acu_ | Some_Person: you can - uninstall them - disable them from repositories - upgrade to wheezy and see waht is in there - and if not reinstall them - because the kernel and everything is different |
| 04:11.20 | brotatos | nsadmin: what should i do? |
| 04:12.34 | Some_Person | acu_: Ok |
| 04:12.36 | Some_Person | thanks |
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| 04:12.57 | Some_Person | Oh, should I target "testing" or "wheezy" (or does it make no difference at this point)? |
| 04:13.10 | acu_ | karthick87, go in /var/log/ - and see the syslog somewhere there - it will tell you what is the problem |
| 04:14.20 | karthick87 | acu_: This is the log http://paste.ubuntu.com/805847/ |
| 04:14.40 | acu_ | karthick87, type cat tail /var/log/syslog |
| 04:14.47 | brotatos | nsadmin: what should i doL? |
| 04:15.32 | nsadmin | brotatos, I don't know exactly... one suggestion, what if you created that dir and try again? |
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| 04:15.42 | karthick87 | acu_: This is the log http://paste.ubuntu.com/805847/ |
| 04:15.49 | brotatos | nsadmin: i'll try |
| 04:15.50 | nsadmin | wait tho |
| 04:15.58 | nsadmin | first, |
| 04:16.14 | nsadmin | need to know a coupla things about the machine's purpose |
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| 04:16.50 | nsadmin | is this your own machine you use yourself to (for example) just have fun, check emails, play with scripts, etc? |
| 04:16.58 | brotatos | nsadmin: just have fun. |
| 04:16.58 | nsadmin | that's one extreme |
| 04:17.07 | nsadmin | the other extreme is, |
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| 04:17.35 | brotatos | nsadmin: sudo dpkg --configure -a works now but i can't seem to obtain updates through the update manager that comes with linux mint. |
| 04:17.48 | nsadmin | is this a server used by the defense dept of your govt in constant use by 100,000 people (maybe a thousand at a time)? |
| 04:18.01 | nsadmin | both very extreme :) |
| 04:18.16 | brotatos | nsadmin: it's just used by me |
| 04:19.08 | nsadmin | ok, so you should know that creating the dir is an experiment, and while it's a halfway educated guess, it's not guaranteed to work, and maybe it would be good to find out why it disappeared |
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| 04:19.25 | brotatos | nsadmin: i accidentally removed it; is there anyway to get it back? |
| 04:19.25 | Some_Person | ok, here we go with the dist-upgrade |
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| 04:19.42 | acu_ | zane do you have eth0 properly configured ? what do you ge tfrom /sbin/ifconfig -v ? what your /etc/network/interfaces looks like ? - perhaps you have eth1 not eth0 ? |
| 04:19.47 | nsadmin | what was the exact command to remove it? |
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| 04:20.00 | brotatos | nsadmin: i accidentally removed it |
| 04:20.05 | Some_Person | 35 minutes to download everything |
| 04:20.13 | brotatos | nsadmin: i was trying to get rid of the dpkg lock and accidentally got rid of it. |
| 04:20.14 | nsadmin | how? exact command? |
| 04:20.19 | brotatos | nsadmin: is there anyway to get it back? |
| 04:20.50 | brotatos | nsadmin: sudo rm -r /link/to/it |
| 04:21.01 | nsadmin | dunno... I am asking you a question about that |
| 04:21.06 | brotatos | nsadmin: sudo rm -rf /link/to/it |
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| 04:21.18 | brotatos | nsadmin: is there anything i can do about it? |
| 04:21.44 | acu_ | karthick87, are you with zane ? anyhow - you have to tell dhcp where where to listen - so it can give IPs to other computers - |
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| 04:22.42 | nsadmin | do you have backups, perhaps one you made immediately before running that command? |
| 04:23.00 | brotatos | nsadmin: i have a livecd but i can't just reinstall apt without having to reinstall the os |
| 04:23.05 | brotatos | nsadmin: it's for linux mint |
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| 04:23.57 | acu_ | dchp leases IPs to other computers = and if you have two ethernet cards = you need to tell which card and IP should be used by DHCP - but personally I do not like to configure an entire machine for dhcp - there are cheap wifi and ethernet routers ($14) which does everything for you |
| 04:24.28 | zane | can someone tell me why my dhcp server is reporting in syslog that it is not configured to listen on any devices when i have told it to listen on eth0 ? |
| 04:24.53 | acu_ | Some_Person, it will take one to two hours to have everything running - depends on the computer and speed of your connection - |
| 04:25.08 | zane | i have been at this for 3days |
| 04:25.11 | acu_ | zane do you have eth0 properly configured ? what do you ge tfrom /sbin/ifconfig -v ? what your /etc/network/interfaces looks like ? - perhaps you have eth1 not eth0 ? |
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| 04:25.16 | Some_Person | acu_: I know, I'll probably go to bed pretty soon and just let it run overnight |
| 04:25.55 | acu_ | zane dchp leases IPs to other computers = and if you have two ethernet cards = you need to tell which card and IP should be used by DHCP - but personally I do not like to configure an entire machine for dhcp - there are cheap wifi and ethernet routers ($14) which does everything for you |
| 04:26.19 | zane | i get eth0 from ifconfig |
| 04:26.39 | zane | i have it set in interfaces as well |
| 04:26.52 | acu_ | what exactly do you get - I think the eth- has to be static |
| 04:26.52 | simonlnu | is it set in the dhcpd.conf? |
| 04:27.06 | acu_ | eth0 has to be static |
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| 04:27.38 | zane | yes it's set in dhcpd.conf and i have it set to static in interfaces |
| 04:27.56 | simonlnu | and in /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server too? |
| 04:28.03 | zane | let me check |
| 04:28.04 | nsadmin | brotatos, without a backup I dunno how you could actually recover the original content |
| 04:28.06 | acu_ | did you restart the networking /etc/init.d/networking stop then ... start |
| 04:28.25 | zane | i rebooted |
| 04:28.34 | zane | it's set in default isc server too |
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| 04:28.40 | zane | INTERFACE="eth0" |
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| 04:29.18 | samba35 | this is very stange problem i come across i have a utm /firewall as a gateway (another system ) ,i have configure web server ,ssh server and ftp server on that but i am only able to acess ftp server ,not ssh and web server but i change hardisk with oracle linux i am able to access all 3 thing (web ,ssh,ftp ) |
| 04:29.22 | simonlnu | ok |
| 04:29.27 | zane | it fails to stop, the dhcpd server |
| 04:29.35 | acu_ | zane: what do you see last if you type dmesg ? |
| 04:29.43 | simonlnu | syslog should be helpful too |
| 04:29.48 | simonlnu | or that |
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| 04:30.05 | zane | eth0: no ipv6 routers present |
| 04:30.15 | acu_ | I asked for cat tail /var/log/syslog |
| 04:30.31 | zane | ok one sec |
| 04:30.33 | simonlnu | shouldn't matter that no ipv6 routers |
| 04:30.43 | nsadmin | brotatos, is /home on a separate partition? |
| 04:31.33 | zane | no subnet declaration, ignoring requests |
| 04:31.40 | zane | but i have declared a subnet |
| 04:31.43 | zane | i don't understand it |
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| 04:31.59 | zane | i will paste dhcpd.conf |
| 04:32.16 | samruger | i cant figure out how to acess my other hard drives, can some one point me in the right direction? |
| 04:32.29 | acu_ | samba35, you are not too clear of what and where from to what are you connecting - however the routing might be screwed - can you ping the system ? |
| 04:32.57 | samba35 | system has 3 nic |
| 04:32.59 | acu_ | samruger: what OS version what desktop environment do you use ? |
| 04:33.14 | samba35 | i am able to access internet from it |
| 04:33.27 | acu_ | samba35, yes - I think that is a problem - the routing has to be fixed |
| 04:33.34 | zane | http://pastie.org/3193027 dhcpd.conf |
| 04:33.53 | samba35 | nz -z localhost for all 3 service work but public ip it only work with ftp |
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| 04:34.05 | samruger | acu, i just installed the latest debian image with xfce |
| 04:34.15 | samruger | amd64 one |
| 04:34.40 | samba35 | acu_, on linux box ? |
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| 04:35.08 | zane | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:35.25 | acu_ | zane: I do not know what is the problem - what was the syslog and dmesg ? - did you paste it already - try to do an ifdown eth0 then ifup eth0 |
| 04:35.51 | karthick87 | How to change the PXE boot screen? |
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| 04:36.15 | zane | ifdown eth0 said eth0 not configured and ifup eth0 said failed |
| 04:36.42 | zane | so that is the problem? |
| 04:36.49 | acu_ | it means that /sbin/ifconfig should have not shown you eth0 |
| 04:37.02 | zane | ? |
| 04:37.09 | acu_ | your eth0 is not there |
| 04:37.21 | acu_ | paste /sbin/ifconfig -v |
| 04:37.28 | zane | but ifconfig -v shows rx and tx byes |
| 04:37.30 | zane | *bytes |
| 04:37.33 | zane | ok i will paste |
| 04:37.36 | zane | one min |
| 04:38.49 | karthick87 | How to change the PXE boot screen? |
| 04:39.06 | zane | karthick87: you have a pxe server up? that is what i am trying to do, lol |
| 04:39.33 | boudiccas | now heres a funny thing! where do |I change the file output of the boot screen messages that scroll by so fast and are so small as to be unreadable before you get to the logon screen please. i want to make them bigger and brighter so that they are readable, like in RHEL, Fedora or Centos |
| 04:39.50 | zane | acu_: http://pastie.org/3193036 output of ifconfig |
| 04:40.48 | nsadmin | boudiccas, dmesg outputs the boot messages after boot... at least some of them |
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| 04:41.12 | boudiccas | nsadmin; will this change them for future boots please? |
| 04:41.31 | samruger | acu_, i just installed the latest debian image with xfce |
| 04:41.40 | boudiccas | nsadmin; i want to read them as its booting and before the logon screen |
| 04:42.37 | zane | boudiccas: dmesg | less |
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| 04:43.17 | zane | boudiccas: hit SPACE key to advance to next screen |
| 04:43.28 | boudiccas | zane; but that will only work /after/ bootup, i want to change them to read them on screen before logon and during bootup |
| 04:44.18 | zane | boudiccas: there is a param u can change to do that |
| 04:44.26 | zane | boudiccas: through grub i think |
| 04:44.57 | boudiccas | zane; ah, now we're getting somewhere, any ideas what parameter and how to actually change it please? |
| 04:45.13 | zane | boudiccas: you on squeeze? |
| 04:45.15 | acu_ | samgruger: first you need to know whether there are mounted and their names - type mount -l or some other fdisk -l from GUI there are tools - I know in gnome there is a disk utility - graphic and easy to manage |
| 04:45.19 | boudiccas | zane; yes |
| 04:45.28 | zane | acu_: any ideas about the dhcpd ? |
| 04:45.43 | Alazare619 | does anyone here use x11vnc and have a init.d script for it so it can run 24/7 |
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| 04:46.08 | acu_ | zane: I think you have another dchp server in the network - do you have a router wifi in the home or wherever you are - how are you connecting now to internet |
| 04:46.54 | acu_ | the message is strange - I know one thing - if you have two dchp servers with same subnet they shutoff each other - |
| 04:47.15 | acu_ | though the message is eth0 not configured is weird too |
| 04:47.31 | acu_ | if you do ifdown eth0 |
| 04:47.45 | zane | acu_: i am connected to internet via wlan0 and i do have a router on eth0 but DHCP is turned off on the router |
| 04:47.49 | simonlnu | unless one can be made authoritative |
| 04:47.57 | zane | acu_: the DHCP on wlan0 is the problem? |
| 04:48.09 | zane | acu_: but the connections aren't bridged? |
| 04:48.13 | Rusty1 | would route -n tell? |
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| 04:48.22 | simonlnu | but then if it's being used for your internet connection, you have a slight problem ;) |
| 04:48.28 | acu_ | zane: of course - usually comercial DCHPs have 192.168.0.1 as default address |
| 04:48.29 | Alazare619 | im looking for help with init.d x11vnc as a service prior to login/ie lightdm login screen and then once loged in reaccept connections |
| 04:49.06 | zane | acu_: so i need to change the address in interface and dhcpd.conf ? |
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| 04:50.13 | acu_ | zane: first you should make sure that you assign to eth0 an address not in the dhcp pool of your wireless router - and anyhow having two dhcp in the same subnet will collide - rogue dhcps |
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| 04:50.42 | acu_ | but yes - change the ip address of eth0 zane |
| 04:51.00 | zane | acu_: ok let me try |
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| 04:54.36 | acu_ | samgruer there is a disk utility in gnome - very nice and easy to see and mount the hard disks - GUI - did you find it ? |
| 04:54.48 | acu_ | I know xfce has something like this too |
| 04:55.22 | boudiccas | where do I change the file output of the boot screen messages that scroll by so fast and are so small as to be unreadable before you get to the logon screen please? i want to make them bigger and brighter so that they are readable, like in RHEL, Fedora or Centos. this is during bootup and before the logon screen, and so far there is a parameter in grub which controls this, but what is it and how do i access it please? |
| 04:56.22 | acu_ | zane: I have to go, anyhow if you type on you browser 192.168.0.1 your router will popup most probably - or you can look at the back of your router/wifi - they tell you the default IP |
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| 04:57.23 | bfig | is there anything i should take into account if i want to install the 32 bit compatibility libraries? |
| 04:57.34 | acu_ | I think that is your problem - you have set your eth0 with the same IP as your comercial router - I would change your subnet like 192.168.22.something |
| 04:59.05 | acu_ | bfig: whatfor are you installing them - what do you run ? Squeeze or Wheezy ? If I install skype I think it pulls 32 bit compat libs - with no problems - but I do not know details - I know it wors |
| 04:59.21 | bfig | acu, wheezy |
| 04:59.36 | bfig | i want to run dwarf fortress. so far i've been using a 32 bit chroot but it is not working as i expected |
| 04:59.47 | bfig | ie, crashes a lot etc |
| 04:59.54 | acu_ | I mean if I run Wheezy AMD64 and install skype - or teamviewer - forgot which one - 64 bit - with Gdebiinstaller it pulls all the dependencies |
| 05:00.23 | acu_ | for me teamviewer works fine and so does skype in wheezy - |
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| 05:01.36 | zane | acu_: lost internet on wlan0, had to unplug cable on eth0 for some reason? |
| 05:01.50 | zane | dhcpd wouldn't start either way |
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| 05:02.06 | zane | now it's complaining about a bad subnet netmask combination |
| 05:02.13 | bfig | i need the 32 bit version of a library, how can i download it? |
| 05:02.32 | acu_ | zane: I just wrote something |
| 05:02.34 | bfig | (using the package manager and without messing up the current 64 bit version) |
| 05:02.37 | zane | i changed the static ip of eth0 to 192.168.2.1 |
| 05:02.38 | acu_ | I think that is your problem - you have set your eth0 with the same IP as your comercial router - I would change your subnet like 192.168.22.something |
| 05:03.01 | zane | acu_: i changed it to 192.168.2.something |
| 05:03.22 | acu_ | yes but there are few places need cleaning - |
| 05:03.27 | zane | acu_: can i use 10.10.0.1 ? |
| 05:03.31 | zane | acu_: what? |
| 05:03.33 | acu_ | perhaps |
| 05:03.47 | acu_ | there are some caches somewhere |
| 05:04.00 | zane | acu_: what do u mean? caches? |
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| 05:10.13 | acu_ | zane: routing and other things what happen if you typ e route -n ? anyhow I have to go - but you might want to make sure you have clear cut different subnets - good luck |
| 05:10.26 | zane | hey |
| 05:10.58 | zane | if i am using 10.10.0.1 what subnet should i use? 255.255.255.0 is not working |
| 05:11.05 | samruger | how to i tell what filesystem a drive is formatted with in order to edit fstab correctly? |
| 05:11.45 | boudiccas | samruger; ls -l /media ......... or wherever the drive is mounted |
| 05:11.49 | zane | acu_: route -n.....wlan0 and eth0 are using same subnet mask? |
| 05:12.03 | samruger | i dont think it is mounted boudiccas |
| 05:12.28 | samruger | i see the drive when i do fdisk -l |
| 05:13.09 | boudiccas | samruger; ls-l /media wouldnt tell you anyway, dammit |
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| 05:13.28 | acu_ | !mount |
| 05:13.28 | dpkg | i heard mount is a command used to mount a device to the local filesystem. `man 8 mount`. See also <reference>, <fstab>. |
| 05:13.29 | samruger | im trying to figure out how to access them and i think i need to edit my stab to mount them but i dont know what filesystem they were formatted with |
| 05:13.36 | samruger | it was ext2 or ext4 but i dont remember |
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| 05:13.51 | boudiccas | samruger; try just using ........ mount ............. |
| 05:13.58 | acu_ | no you do not need to change fstab - unless you want them when you reboot |
| 05:14.51 | acu_ | usually you create a directory mkdir boudi then mount /dev/sdb1 /home/boudiccas/boudi |
| 05:14.58 | acu_ | then you see it there |
| 05:14.58 | samruger | mount: can't find /dev/sda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 05:15.16 | zane | acu_: what subnet mask should i use with 10.10.0.1 ? |
| 05:15.28 | zane | 255.255.255.2 or anything is not working |
| 05:16.45 | samruger | ah |
| 05:16.47 | acu_ | zane: my brain is fried - I think you learned enough in one night :) you can't put randomly the subnet masks |
| 05:16.47 | samruger | i got |
| 05:16.53 | samruger | it* |
| 05:17.01 | zane | acu_: ok, good night |
| 05:17.04 | acu_ | I think 10.0.0.1 has 255.255.255.0 |
| 05:17.09 | samruger | thanks |
| 05:17.44 | acu_ | welcome :) |
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| 05:18.17 | acu_ | there are a lot of gurus here lurking around - here is one ^^^ |
| 05:18.23 | acu_ | goog night all |
| 05:18.24 | zane | acu_: no, that's the same as 192.168.1.0 |
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| 05:18.41 | zane | jelly-home: what subnet mask should i use with 10.10.0.1 ? |
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| 05:19.04 | Coweater | it doesn't matter that it's the same, it'll work fine |
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| 05:19.31 | zane | Coweater: even if it's the same as my router that i am connecting to via wi-fi? |
| 05:19.55 | Coweater | usually if things are on the same network they share the same subnet mask |
| 05:20.04 | zane | Coweater: will dhcp on wlan0 conflict with trying to setup dhcp server on eth0? |
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| 05:20.17 | zane | ok |
| 05:22.48 | Coweater | the dhcp shouldn't interfere, just make sure your dhcp daemon is only operating on eth0 |
| 05:23.20 | Alazare619 | can someone explain how to init.d x11vnc as a service prior to login |
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| 05:24.41 | jelly-home | zane: depends on how large a network segment do you need, and how other hardware is configured already (if it is) |
| 05:25.10 | jelly-home | zane: for a home setup, /24 is a safe bet |
| 05:25.24 | zane | omg i thinkg it's working! it started with no errors! what's the command to see if it's running ? |
| 05:26.05 | zane | i changed the subnet to the subnet of the router that wlan0 is connected to which was 255.255.252.0 |
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| 05:26.55 | zane | will ps aux | grep dhcpd work? |
| 05:27.36 | CellKill | assumingyou are using dhcpd |
| 05:27.50 | CellKill | yo |
| 05:27.57 | zane | let me boot the other comp and see if it gets an ip |
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| 05:33.25 | zane | what should syslog report if it's working? theres stuff about dhcp offer and such |
| 05:33.41 | zane | does that mean its working and i just have to setup the tftp serv ? |
| 05:33.59 | Alazare619 | im trying to setup a vnc server can someone assist me please im trying to use x11vnc |
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| 05:37.04 | pigdude | how do i suspend from command-line as regular user? |
| 05:37.04 | zane | it works |
| 05:37.34 | pigdude | or if not possible, as root? this failed for me: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=58273 |
| 05:38.14 | ZitZ | hey, i'm trying to configure my home websever to use ssl, but i'm having trouble, i sometimes get a warning saying that RSA server certificate CommonName (CN) `somethingimadeup' does NOT match server name!? i don't have a domain, i only refer to it by an internal ip address, or a name i put in a client's host file |
| 05:39.58 | ZitZ | uggh, i just go it |
| 05:40.14 | zane | why can't i ping google.com from the target computer but i can ping the dhcp server ? |
| 05:40.22 | ZitZ | i got rid of the <If SSL> |
| 05:40.59 | ZitZ | now it works fine |
| 05:41.34 | pigdude | oh, sudo pm-suspend worked |
| 05:41.45 | pigdude | i wish i didn't need privilege but it's ok |
| 05:42.25 | karthick87 | How to change the PXE boot screen? Can anyone help me pls? |
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| 05:47.42 | karlpinc | karthick87: It has to do with syslinux, IIRC. |
| 05:48.05 | karlpinc | zane: Are you pinging with -n? |
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| 05:51.53 | zane | karlpinc: no, what does that param do? |
| 05:53.06 | karlpinc | zane: And are you pinging with an ip or a name? |
| 05:53.15 | karlpinc | zane: No reverse dns. |
| 05:53.26 | zane | karlpinc: pinging with a name... |
| 05:53.38 | karlpinc | zane: Does the name resolve? |
| 05:54.27 | zane | karlpinc: i don't have a dns server |
| 05:54.47 | zane | karlpinc: i can go go the ip of google.com on the target comp? |
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| 05:55.20 | zane | i need a dns server to be able to resolve names to type in? |
| 05:55.35 | karlpinc | zane: You don't need dns names to do, well, really anything (although it could be hard to see some websites with standard browsers). |
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| 05:55.59 | karlpinc | zane: You can use your isp's dns server, or googles. |
| 05:56.20 | zane | karlpinc: i would have to input my isp dns in dhcpd.conf to be able to do that? |
| 05:56.28 | karlpinc | zane: Google's is 8.8.8.8. |
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| 05:56.37 | karlpinc | zane: yes. |
| 05:57.00 | zane | karlpinc: interesting..... |
| 05:57.01 | karlpinc | zane: Or, you'd have to manually configure each box on the network with a dns server. |
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| 05:58.46 | karlpinc | zane: The linux networking guide at tldp.org is old but still a good intro. Or read wikipedia, I suppose, for specifics. Really, read the RFCs if you want the real manuals. |
| 05:59.52 | technologov_ | which version of chrome added HTML5 <video> tag ? |
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| 06:04.25 | Coweater | technologov_: 3.0.182.2 |
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| 06:13.31 | zane | oh my god! i have pxe booted the debian installer! |
| 06:14.03 | zane | after dozens of hours of trying........ |
| 06:14.06 | zane | SUCCESS |
| 06:14.17 | zane | jizzes himself |
| 06:14.20 | zane | :-D |
| 06:15.34 | speak | I don't know what that is, but congrats! |
| 06:15.42 | radio23 | hands zane a towel. |
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| 06:16.11 | zane | there |
| 06:16.12 | karlpinc | zane: The lesson is, after every single configuration step, test to see that the step worked. |
| 06:16.22 | bambanx | what video conference software is good like adobe connect but open source for run on debian guys? |
| 06:17.24 | zane | karlpinc: the installer is saying something about a 'default route' not being configured on the network to connect with hosts on the internet....does this go back to the DNS stuff? i need to add my ISP DNS in dhcpd.conf? |
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| 06:19.12 | karlpinc | zane: No it's at the IP network level, different from dns. |
| 06:19.32 | karlpinc | zane: Again, you can confgure it in the dhcp server if you like. |
| 06:20.07 | zane | karlpinc: how? what do i need to add so i can do the install and it grab files from a mirror? |
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| 06:20.47 | karlpinc | zane: Same way you configure the rest of the dhcp server. |
| 06:21.04 | zane | karlpinc: what option is it? |
| 06:21.12 | karlpinc | zane: If you configure a default gateway it'll probably work. |
| 06:21.31 | karlpinc | zane: Depends on the dhcp server. Probably something with the word 'gateway' in it. |
| 06:21.52 | zane | karlpinc: so i need to add the ip of my ISP gateway in dhcpd.conf? |
| 06:22.45 | karlpinc | bambanx: You probably want to use debtags to search. I think pidgin does this, maybe, along with a jabber server, maybe. There's also gnome-meeting. |
| 06:23.36 | karlpinc | zane: The IP of the gateway to your ISP, your router. |
| 06:25.36 | zane | karlpinc: ok |
| 06:26.50 | karthick87 | How to add Hirens Boot CD to PXE server ? |
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| 06:29.38 | technologov_ | There is a severe bug in Debian stable 6.0.3 (KDE), that I patched. Anyone can look and submit it for 6.0.4? |
| 06:29.39 | karlpinc | zane: Your LAN has a gateway. That's usually your router to your isp, but sometime's that box is not a router but a bridge in which case "your" lan includes some of the ISP's network and the gateway lives in their network. |
| 06:29.49 | technologov_ | #655841 |
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| 06:31.27 | samba35 | how do i change default route from eth0 to eth2 |
| 06:31.34 | karlpinc | technologov_: The gnash maintainers should have gotten an email with your patch when you sent it to the bts. My understanding is that they're the ones who do things. |
| 06:31.47 | karlpinc | !tell samba35 about interfaces |
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| 06:31.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps can ya help me with some rsync syntax.. |
| 06:32.01 | technologov_ | "gnash" is not ready. No amount of patching will help there. |
| 06:32.20 | technologov_ | It is very not mature, with bugs running rampart. |
| 06:32.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | i got to VERY large directories and need to sync them.. |
| 06:32.26 | karlpinc | technologov_: Stable is not supposed to be bug-free, it's just supposed to be stable. |
| 06:32.31 | technologov_ | The idea is to avoid installing gnash |
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| 06:32.39 | samba35 | thanks |
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| 06:33.01 | technologov_ | So I patched debian-installer/tasksel instead, to avoid the bug by default. |
| 06:33.44 | karlpinc | technologov_: If you can point to something in debian policy then gnash will be removed. Otherwise nobody's going to care. |
| 06:34.49 | technologov_ | Debian is becoming like Fedora with such bugs. |
| 06:35.00 | technologov_ | pushing "alpha" quality tech into stable is OK ? |
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| 06:35.14 | karlpinc | technologov_: You probably don't want it entirely removed, just not installed by tasksel. That's a different sort of issue. |
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| 06:35.47 | karlpinc | technologov_: Yes. A program does not have to work so long as it has a maintainer and does not violate policy it'll be included in stable. |
| 06:36.02 | technologov_ | gnash has more than one problem, so it can't be patched easily. I just want to remove it from new Debian default installs. |
| 06:37.18 | karlpinc | technologov_: To get anywhere you'll probably have to point to a better alternative. |
| 06:37.46 | jelly-home | which is kind of impossible if there _is no_ better alternative |
| 06:37.54 | technologov_ | The idea of pushing "latest-and-greatest" is concept from Fedora, which I strongly disagree with. For now the alternative is to have flash-disabled desktop by default. |
| 06:38.01 | karlpinc | jelly-home: (Details. ;-) |
| 06:38.26 | technologov_ | And advanced users should install gnash/flash/hack own product/...use HTML5/... |
| 06:39.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | got it ty |
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| 06:39.42 | karlpinc | technologov_: Somewhere there's a document that describes how debian decides what's included in various sorts of default installs. I don't know what it is, but you're not talking to the right people here. |
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| 06:40.31 | jelly-home | technologov_: I like how msg #26 contains absolutely no technical points, but lots of emotional content instead. |
| 06:41.34 | technologov_ | In this case Debian took it too far... and risking to become 2nd Fedora. There is no stable Free Software flash player. |
| 06:42.06 | jelly-home | having it installed is not an issue until the point it breaks other software |
| 06:42.07 | technologov_ | So none must be installed. |
| 06:42.24 | karlpinc | technologov_: So why not include an unstable one? I don't know. You probably want to look into how the installer is developed to see if you have an argument and where to bring it. |
| 06:42.24 | technologov_ | (or websites) |
| 06:42.50 | karlpinc | wouldn't install flash if it _did_ work. |
| 06:42.53 | jelly-home | Debian often includes experimental or alpha quality software; that, by itself, is not an issue |
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| 06:43.32 | technologov_ | jelly-home, if it's included, but not in default install it is 'ok'. |
| 06:43.39 | TashBear | any user of the hp p1005 or any hp laserjet? |
| 06:43.48 | karlpinc | !tell TashBear about anyone |
| 06:44.04 | technologov_ | (Altough I think maintainers should tag such software with "Technical Preview" in the package desc. field.) |
| 06:44.18 | TashBear | karlpinc: I am not asking to "someone" |
| 06:44.24 | technologov_ | problem becomes big, when unstable software is being installed by default. |
| 06:44.37 | technologov_ | It makes problem from small grow to huge one. |
| 06:44.37 | jelly-home | TashBear: the Laserjet brand spans two decades and VERY different products. |
| 06:44.41 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 06:44.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 06:45.33 | TashBear | ok let's hear your advices |
| 06:46.02 | jelly-home | TashBear: can you ask a more specific question, like the bot suggests. |
| 06:46.44 | TashBear | my printer sometimes just doesn't work and I know it is because it "pauses", so I remember there was a command to unpause it. the cups web interface doesn't work for me |
| 06:46.50 | karlpinc | TashBear: Beware of HP products. Once upon a time they were always well engineered, but then HP became -- something -- and now you never know if your HP product has quality or not. |
| 06:47.15 | TashBear | karlpinc: it has it years, I got it in 2009 |
| 06:47.45 | karlpinc | TashBear: I think they started making trash about 2005, but I forget. |
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| 06:48.10 | jelly-home | TashBear: does replugging the usb cable help? |
| 06:48.11 | TashBear | I should bough the lexmark |
| 06:48.20 | TashBear | jelly-home: nou :( |
| 06:48.27 | TashBear | what I did? |
| 06:48.28 | jelly-home | hm |
| 06:48.35 | karlpinc | TashBear: No telling. I have no product recommendations. |
| 06:48.37 | TashBear | reinstall it like a ton of times |
| 06:48.51 | TashBear | switch the port |
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| 06:48.57 | TashBear | turn it on and off |
| 06:49.04 | TashBear | restart cups |
| 06:49.06 | jelly-home | it's a zjs device, basically a "winprinter" that accepts not much more than a bitmap |
| 06:49.14 | TashBear | restart my system, and a big etc |
| 06:49.35 | jelly-home | I'd advise going with a PCL or PostScript capable model instead |
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| 06:49.53 | TashBear | jelly-home: to make it work, I took a winbox, send a page to it, it printed and then it works again here on Debian |
| 06:50.15 | karlpinc | TashBear: What happens if you power-cycle the printer? |
| 06:50.19 | TashBear | that's why I said it was in a kinda "pause" mode |
| 06:50.33 | TashBear | karlpinc: you mean? unplug the ac? |
| 06:50.42 | karlpinc | TashBear: (Probably by pulling the power plug, yes.) |
| 06:51.26 | TashBear | karlpinc: well now it works, I just that I remember once I used a comand to force it to "wake up" but I dont remember what it was |
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| 06:52.30 | TashBear | jelly-home: I already own this one, and I am not planning buying a new one. This works, is just that sometimes... it doesnt |
| 06:52.46 | karlpinc | TashBear: Anything to do with the lpr command? |
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| 06:54.34 | karlpinc | TashBear: You could figure out why you can't use cups. Probably telling the printer to do something like a self-test would wake it. |
| 06:55.53 | jelly-home | TashBear: well. As far as I remember, every time that thing is switched on, it gets a piece of firmware via usb to make it functional at all. It's possible the windows driver now has different firmware, or that the linux driver just isn't stable |
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| 06:58.21 | karlpinc | Too bad he's gone. He could have submitted a bug report and maybe gotten newer firmware into the package..... |
| 06:58.42 | jelly-home | TashBear is still here. |
| 06:58.48 | TashBear | yeah |
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| 06:59.26 | karlpinc | TashBear: Oh. I was having irc conniptions. Anyway, if it is indeed a firmware issue then submitting a bug report might get it fixed. |
| 06:59.34 | Woet | when booting my machine takes about 5 minutes on "Configuring network interfaces..." |
| 06:59.42 | Woet | i do not have any up or post-up scripts that could hang it |
| 06:59.48 | Woet | any other ideas? |
| 07:00.09 | TashBear | I really wonder why does debian auto install the printer since its firmware is not free.(I guess) |
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| 07:00.55 | karlpinc | TashBear: That sort of stuff is in non-free these days. It's up to the debian user to decide whether to enable it so they can use hardware that requires non-free software to work. |
| 07:01.02 | karsten | I'm trying to set up a second host with a similar postfix config to an existing one. Is there a way to see the debconf information for how the first was configured? |
| 07:01.33 | karsten | E.g.: internet host w/ relay. I think that's all I've got to worry about. |
| 07:01.38 | TashBear | karlpinc: the default instalation did install the printer |
| 07:01.44 | jelly-home | the funny thing is, upstream author of the driver suggest NOT using the packaged version for some reason http://foo2zjs.rkkda.com/ |
| 07:02.24 | TashBear | jelly-home: this is actually the first time I use the packaged one |
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| 07:02.40 | TashBear | jelly-home: but is not the first time I get this problem |
| 07:02.48 | karlpinc | karsten: If you just run debconf on the old box you should be able to see. But that's surely in the fs, somewhere. "man debconf" perhaps? |
| 07:03.00 | TashBear | and since the firmware came from hp... IDK |
| 07:03.00 | jelly-home | sorry, http://foo2xqx.rkkda.com/ seems to be the relevant one fir P1005 |
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| 07:03.51 | karsten | karlpinc: can you run debconf directly? Isn't it "aptitude configure" or "dpkg configure" something? |
| 07:04.07 | TashBear | afaik the firmware is not free, but this installed the printer as it was |
| 07:04.20 | karlpinc | karsten: dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 07:06.02 | karsten | karlpinc: That seems to do it, thanks. |
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| 07:08.23 | Woet | i've ran ifup --verbose and it shows it's stuck on avahi, and i'm not using avahi at all (that i'm aware of) |
| 07:08.40 | Woet | http://wiki.debian.org/ZeroConfsays "apt-get install avahi-daemon avahi-discover libnss-mdns", so "apt-get remove avahi-daemon avahi-discover libnss-mdns" is the way to get rid of it? |
| 07:08.48 | Woet | http://wiki.debian.org/ZeroConf says * |
| 07:08.51 | jelly-home | ,versions printer-driver-foo2zjs |
| 07:08.52 | judd | Package: printer-driver-foo2zjs on i386 -- sid: 20111202dfsg0-1; wheezy: 20111202dfsg0-1 |
| 07:08.54 | karlpinc | Woet: I always get rid of avahi. |
| 07:09.03 | Woet | karlpinc: using the command i mentioned? just apt-get remove? |
| 07:09.05 | jelly-home | ,versions foo2zjs |
| 07:09.06 | judd | Package: foo2zjs on i386 -- lenny: 20070718dfsg-9; lenny-backports: 20090301dfsg-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 20090908dfsg-5.1+squeeze0; sid: 20111202dfsg0-1; wheezy: 20111202dfsg0-1 |
| 07:09.18 | karlpinc | Woet: I forget. I tend to use aptitude. |
| 07:09.23 | Woet | karlpinc: okay |
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| 07:09.33 | karsten | Crud... |
| 07:09.47 | jelly-home | TashBear: well, that version from Debian 6 (squeeze) DOES look a bit old |
| 07:10.12 | karsten | Seems the other host wasn't configured via debconf. And I just sorta changed that a bit ;-) |
| 07:10.55 | karlpinc | Removing avahi also makes printer dialogs come up faster. |
| 07:11.25 | karlpinc | Woet: I might have just turned of mdns in /etc/nsswitch.conf. Although I can't see that having anything to do with bringing up interfaces. |
| 07:11.49 | TashBear | jelly-home: and tehre's no backport =/ |
| 07:11.53 | Woet | karlpinc: already solved it, just ran apt-get remove |
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| 07:13.33 | TashBear | seems like I am bounded to that winbox for a while |
| 07:13.37 | karlpinc | jelly-home: So if TashBear files a bug report is that the sort of thing that makes it into squeeze-updates (now that volatile is gone). Or don't they track firmware? |
| 07:13.51 | Woet | karlpinc: /etc/network/if-up.d/avahi-daemon was my problem |
| 07:14.16 | TashBear | I still don't understand at all what is that firmware doing in main |
| 07:14.31 | TashBear | unless it is free and I dont know |
| 07:14.36 | jelly-home | karlpinc: I don't think it's a good material for stable-updates, if it's just a single printer model having troubles |
| 07:14.56 | jelly-home | TashBear: maybe you downloaded and installed it before |
| 07:15.01 | TashBear | and we dont know if it fix it |
| 07:15.13 | jelly-home | indeed |
| 07:15.16 | TashBear | jelly-home: even from the live media |
| 07:15.22 | zamabe | Why does the host command not see anything in my /etc/hosts? |
| 07:15.23 | karlpinc | TashBear: You could always backport a package yourself, right? |
| 07:15.45 | karlpinc | zamabe: Because that's not what it does. You want the "getent hosts foo" command. |
| 07:15.48 | jelly-home | ,checkbackport printer-driver-foo2zjs |
| 07:15.49 | judd | Backporting package printer-driver-foo2zjs in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: pyppd (>= 0.4.9-6~). |
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| 07:15.59 | zamabe | karlpinc, kthx |
| 07:16.05 | jelly-home | ,checkbackport pyppd |
| 07:16.05 | judd | Backporting package pyppd in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
| 07:16.16 | jelly-home | karlpinc: or two. |
| 07:16.50 | TashBear | karlpinc: I don't like messing up with that, lsat time I upgraded the iceweasel to beta and all the dependency tree of a lot of software went wrong |
| 07:17.06 | TashBear | s/lsat/last |
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| 07:17.36 | karlpinc | TashBear: Backporting is different from "upgrading" (whatever that is -- mixing releases is trouble). |
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| 07:18.03 | karlpinc | TashBear: And something small has a lot less to go wrong than something giant like iceweasel. |
| 07:18.21 | jonaskoelker | Hello all. When I'm running emacs inside tmux, alt+arrowkey doesn't do what I expect, but rather inputs 3A, 3B, 3C or 3D into the current buffer. What gives? |
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| 07:18.44 | TashBear | karlpinc: good point, maybe I should try |
| 07:18.48 | jonaskoelker | I'd assume it has something to do with terminal emulation and escape sequences, but I don't have a good mental model of that |
| 07:19.16 | karlpinc | !tell TashBear about ssb |
| 07:19.48 | Alazare619 | will someone please assist me...i have lightdm, and x11vnc but i cant get it to start at the login screen as a service |
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| 07:20.44 | TashBear | first pyppd then printer-driver-foo2zjs |
| 07:20.57 | jelly-home | and then, profit |
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| 07:21.23 | karsten | I don't suppose there's a backup of the old config made by dpkg-reconfigure somewhere. |
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| 07:23.29 | TashBear | and you don't know if the firmware is free ? |
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| 07:23.51 | TashBear | I really wonder why the default instalation installed the printer automatically |
| 07:23.55 | karlpinc | TashBear: It's supposed to be or it'd be in non-free. |
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| 07:24.13 | karlpinc | TashBear: Or, there's another bug. :) |
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| 07:25.07 | TashBear | karlpinc: I am telling you, I just use main |
| 07:25.34 | karlpinc | TashBear: Right. The bug would be a policy violation. Some non-free stuff in free. |
| 07:25.41 | karlpinc | s/free./main./ |
| 07:25.55 | TashBear | so I have to sumit it? |
| 07:26.17 | kingsley | How would you fix a failed "apt-get -f install" when the system is unbootable, and it can't access the internet when chroot-ed into from a live CD? |
| 07:26.20 | karlpinc | TashBear: Only if you look into the copyrights and find a problem. (And you don't _have_ to do anything.) |
| 07:26.46 | TashBear | karlpinc: I mean if I want to help ^^ |
| 07:26.50 | TashBear | karlpinc: that I want |
| 07:26.54 | karlpinc | TashBear: Then yes. |
| 07:27.06 | karlpinc | TashBear: If you're sure there's a problem. |
| 07:27.30 | TashBear | karlpinc: well I was looking for the copyright thing but havent found it yet and for me is time to go to bed |
| 07:27.44 | TashBear | karlpinc: yeah I dont want to make a false alarm |
| 07:27.48 | karlpinc | kingsley: Copy the files you need into the mounted fs before chooting? |
| 07:27.55 | TashBear | karlpinc: maybe it is free |
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| 07:29.20 | Woet | when booting my system, nginx and apache don't come online. they can't bind on all network interfaces. |
| 07:29.29 | Woet | the interface they are failing on are added using an 'up' rule in the interfaces file |
| 07:29.36 | Woet | should that work fine? or should it be pre-up? or what? |
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| 07:30.17 | TashBear | karlpinc: but (I guess I should not tell this here) I tried trisquel and there the hpijs told me that the firmware wasn't free |
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| 07:31.16 | kingsley | karlpinc: Yes, I suppose that's an option. An unwieldy option when many files are needed, but an option nonetheless. So are restoring everything from a backup and re-installing. |
| 07:31.29 | TashBear | karlpinc: http://i.imgur.com/hQ55Z.png |
| 07:31.30 | karlpinc | TashBear: That's a good indication, although they may have a different policy than debian. |
| 07:31.44 | TashBear | karlpinc: that package came from ubuntu |
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| 07:33.08 | karlpinc | kingsley: (Needing "apt-get -f" on stable sounds like you're doing something wrong, like mixing releases or using non-debian software repos. (See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware)) |
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| 07:34.35 | karlpinc | TashBear: There's also /usr/share/doc/foo2zjs/ to look at the copyright and other files and see if there's any notes. |
| 07:35.24 | karlpinc | kingsley: You could always use the ip command and friends to get the network working. |
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| 07:36.49 | TashBear | karlpinc: the readme says that the .icm files were removed |
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| 07:40.05 | TashBear | karlpinc: also says that some printers need aditional firmware that should be downloaded with the package that http://foo2zjs.rkkda.com/ distribute (the ./getweb tool) |
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| 07:41.12 | Woet | services like apache / nginx / powerdns are starting up before networking is done configuring, causing it to fail cause they can't bind on all interfaces. what should I do? |
| 07:41.54 | TashBear | karlpinc: I guess at this point the only thing that maybe stops me to make the report is that I am not using a regular installation, but a live installation, AFAIK they live developers just add some stuff to make the system booteable in a live environment |
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| 08:17.01 | qiyong | is there some web interface browser pkg ? |
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| 08:19.23 | technologov_ | Google Chromium |
| 08:19.39 | technologov_ | "chromium-browser" in Debian |
| 08:19.56 | qiyong | i want the browser running on server side. |
| 08:20.07 | technologov_ | hmm ? |
| 08:20.24 | technologov_ | What will run on the client side then ? |
| 08:20.42 | qiyong | server side cgi maybe |
| 08:21.13 | nkuttler | qiyong: hm? |
| 08:21.21 | technologov_ | doesn't understand |
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| 08:23.00 | qiyong | web via web |
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| 08:23.28 | nkuttler | qiyong: what are you really trying to do? |
| 08:23.48 | qiyong | running browser on server |
| 08:24.00 | nkuttler | qiyong: no, that what you think you want. what is the goal of that? |
| 08:24.14 | nkuttler | s/that/that is |
| 08:24.40 | nkuttler | qiyong: if you just want to browser the web as it would be visible from the server install a web proxy i guess |
| 08:24.41 | mr_trousers | hello all. I have a question regarding debian 5 and debian 6. in debian 5 after a TCP connection has been made the connection does not go to the ESTABLISHED state until data has been received or sent. I would like to have the same behaviour on my debian 6 system, because it reduces the amount of load with dummy connections. any idea how I could do this? |
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| 08:43.30 | shellox | is php5-fpm integrated in 5.3.3 in the debian package? |
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| 08:52.12 | yamahaalex37 | does virtualmin install phpmyadmin, sql, mail, etc? |
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| 08:58.20 | NoOova | Hello all |
| 08:58.40 | NoOova | How i could manage all packets from transits my interface? |
| 08:58.59 | NoOova | i want to change some data on low level |
| 08:59.14 | NoOova | want to change string in some packet |
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| 08:59.27 | NoOova | is it possible? |
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| 09:06.15 | somiaj | NoOova: somethink like the MANGLE table from iptables? |
| 09:06.32 | somiaj | you can modify different things on packages based on rules |
| 09:06.36 | somiaj | pactets... |
| 09:06.36 | omar | NoOova, tcprewrite maybe? |
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| 09:12.49 | sephii | does anybody know why wine is not in testing anymore? |
| 09:15.37 | omar | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=66955 |
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| 09:17.55 | sephii | "as it's maintainer has vanished" seriously? wow... anyway thanks for the link omar |
| 09:18.11 | omar | np |
| 09:20.02 | lasers | Kidnapped or bribed by Microsoft employees. :< |
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| 09:25.38 | boudiccas | will these exclusions ......... -/mozilla/firefox/* -/opera/* .................work in a rsync command for exclusions? |
| 09:25.53 | yamahaalex37 | is virtualmin an alternative to webmin? |
| 09:26.00 | yamahaalex37 | i mean to virtuoozo? |
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| 09:27.01 | boudiccas | yamahaalex37; bite the bullet and learn the command line, its far easier and you're more in control |
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| 09:27.28 | yamahaalex37 | boudiccas, im talking about for virtualizing |
| 09:27.40 | yamahaalex37 | i want to learn to split my dedicated into VPS |
| 09:27.53 | omar | check out proxmox |
| 09:28.01 | omar | i believe its debian based |
| 09:28.14 | omar | has support for kvm/vz |
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| 09:28.16 | Coornail | xwalk: TERM variable is not for that, what you need is some gnome setting |
| 09:28.18 | omar | or openvz |
| 09:28.32 | Coornail | uh forgot to scroll, sorry =) |
| 09:28.33 | yamahaalex37 | thanks |
| 09:28.52 | yamahaalex37 | what i dont understand is, are virtuozzo and solusVM in the same category as openvz and xen |
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| 09:29.24 | ksk | virtuozzo is openvz, with some pay-features |
| 09:29.25 | yamahaalex37 | or are virtuozzo/solusvm/proxmox one thing, and xen/openvz something else? |
| 09:29.48 | omar | virtuozzo and openvz are very similar |
| 09:29.59 | omar | xen is hvm/pvm |
| 09:30.10 | ksk | and vz and xen are not the same category. as (open)VZ is kernel-virtualisation, and xen is para- or even more virtualisation - how about looking that up in google? |
| 09:30.25 | yamahaalex37 | im trying |
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| 09:30.43 | yamahaalex37 | but i see people that install solusVM, then choosing between xen and openvz |
| 09:30.56 | omar | vz wont give you access to a kernel |
| 09:30.58 | yamahaalex37 | but then i see threads like SolusVM VS xen... like wtf |
| 09:31.05 | omar | xen will give you one in hvm |
| 09:31.40 | ksk | yamahaalex37: solusVM is just some webfrontend |
| 09:31.55 | omar | vz is like a jail with more features |
| 09:32.12 | yamahaalex37 | oh, i guess im looking for a web front end |
| 09:32.13 | yamahaalex37 | but for debian |
| 09:32.20 | yamahaalex37 | that a user can log into their VPS |
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| 09:32.26 | yamahaalex37 | then i will choose between openvz or xen |
| 09:32.46 | technologov_ | I have written an article about virtualization theory concepts: http://violtan.com/ae/virtualization.html |
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| 09:33.23 | technologov_ | is an Active VirtualBox community member, but likes Debian for it's neutrality, and letting people use any virt. solution. |
| 09:33.36 | yamahaalex37 | that is a good article technologov_, thanks |
| 09:34.18 | yamahaalex37 | is virtualbox used in vps reselling? |
| 09:35.12 | mooperd | whereelse apart from the udev rules might I find device name / mac adress mapping. I copied my disk image to a new virtual host but now all the networking is borked :( |
| 09:36.02 | yamahaalex37 | technologov_, is there software that meats your ideal in the end? |
| 09:36.10 | sllp | config files for the vm? |
| 09:36.16 | technologov_ | yamahaalex37, I think not. |
| 09:36.24 | technologov_ | VirtualBox I consider ideal. |
| 09:36.41 | yamahaalex37 | but its not very hardware efficient is it |
| 09:36.55 | technologov_ | It has lots of desktop features + many server features + good performance. |
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| 09:37.10 | technologov_ | It's pretty efficient. |
| 09:37.13 | technologov_ | +easy to use. |
| 09:37.28 | technologov_ | In fact VBox is the easiest-to-use Free Software virtualizer. |
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| 09:37.33 | yamahaalex37 | can it be used to sell VPS from a dedicated? |
| 09:37.38 | technologov_ | And this is a killer feature for me. |
| 09:37.56 | technologov_ | It can be used, yes. It has the features. |
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| 09:38.37 | technologov_ | VBox has both desktop *and* server features, which is GREAT ! |
| 09:41.09 | yamahaalex37 | can anyone suggest a free software i can try to learn like solusvm |
| 09:41.18 | yamahaalex37 | that will allow users to log into their vps account |
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| 09:43.17 | technologov_ | yamahaalex37, 'phpvirtualbox' |
| 09:43.24 | technologov_ | But I'm biased :) |
| 09:45.23 | yamahaalex37 | lol |
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| 09:45.58 | yamahaalex37 | is not designed to run in a "hosting" environment where the concept of VM ownership is required |
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| 09:54.26 | technologov_ | yamahaalex37, if there are open-source management tools for hosting, they can be ported to vbox, because vbox provides very rich API. |
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| 10:03.03 | boudiccas | will these exclusions ......... -/mozilla/firefox/* -/opera/* .................work in a rsync command for exclusions? IOW, will wildcards work with folders like I'm showing? |
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| 10:15.57 | yamahaalex37 | no one mentioned HyperVM |
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| 10:19.16 | Macer | is there a way to set a umask per dir? |
| 10:19.25 | Macer | other than using facl? |
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| 10:20.03 | Macer | or is using an acl the only known way? there isn't some weird thing i can do in order to set dfault permissions on directories using umask? |
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| 10:20.41 | themill | Macer: user-private groups make that unnecessary -- you always use a umask of 002 and then chgrp things to common groups when you want them to be readable (or writeable) |
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| 10:21.46 | Macer | themill: but i was thinking about actual default file and dir permissions during creation |
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| 10:22.03 | Macer | say i want my home dir to be private but when writing into another dir group readable |
| 10:22.14 | Macer | using a global umask prevents you from doing this without jumping through hoops |
| 10:22.32 | Macer | ie: using chmod to fix what umask did since you want to be private by default |
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| 10:23.51 | Macer | so if i were to have a umask of 077 because i am home dir paranoid.. and have a shared dir which a grp should access.. umask will create everything 077 in that dir regardless and i would have to manually have to change it |
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| 10:24.13 | Macer | so back to my original question. is there a way to set umask in a per directory fashion. or must i use acl? |
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| 10:27.59 | mjt | Macer: umask is a process properly, not directory properly |
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| 10:32.30 | Macer | mjt: so i guess acl it is then |
| 10:32.43 | Macer | thank you |
| 10:33.15 | Macer | it is just that i was hoping there was an easy way to set up umask on a per dir basis in .bashrc .. that would make things easier than setting up a ton of default acls |
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| 10:34.14 | thekirbylover | I have a question about apt and dpkg at the command line: is it possible to get a list of installed packages that have updates available, that could then be read from in a script? |
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| 10:37.12 | babilen | thekirbylover: aptitude search -F '%100p' '~U' |
| 10:37.42 | thekirbylover | babilen: thanks, i'll try that |
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| 10:39.46 | thekirbylover | it works, thanks again! |
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| 10:56.06 | proute | Hello everybody. I use Debian 5.0 (Lenny). I have lot of computer with via C7 processor. Somes of them have Kernel 2.6.26-486 the reste have kernel 2.6.26-686. All system with 486 kernel works fine. All system with 686 kernel freeze sometimes. I installed also a kernel 2.6.36 and I have also freeze. |
| 10:56.29 | proute | Anybdoy know why the system with via C7 don't freeze with kernel 486? |
| 10:56.35 | proute | thanks for your help |
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| 11:00.14 | jelly-home | proute: most likely reason is that CPU is not compatible with features included in Debian's -686 kernel |
| 11:00.27 | jelly-home | so use -486 |
| 11:00.53 | jelly-home | or build your own |
| 11:01.22 | Woet | services like apache / nginx / powerdns are starting up before networking is done configuring, causing it to fail cause they can't bind on all interfaces. what should I do? |
| 11:01.32 | proute | jelly-home: thanks for your answer. So for C7 processor, I must use -486? The -486 allow to have not freeze with C7 processor? |
| 11:01.47 | jelly-home | proute: well, that's what you just said, yes |
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| 11:03.17 | technologov_ | prolly yes, C7 is not i686 |
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| 11:03.27 | technologov_ | (at least some C7 models) |
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| 11:04.36 | yamahaalex37 | omg |
| 11:04.41 | yamahaalex37 | how long a VPS activation supposed to take |
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| 11:06.53 | proute | technologov_: thank you for your answer |
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| 11:07.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok i got a dumb question about webpages and ssl |
| 11:07.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | if i go to a webpage with ssl.. and somebody snoops my connection can they see my directory names or structure of where i am going on the webpage? |
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| 11:09.45 | ChrisH | Eryn_1983_FL: I would expect: no... But run wireshark and test it yourself! |
| 11:09.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
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| 11:12.03 | ChrisH | Eryn_1983_FL: use follow TCP Stream and test in http and https and expect a difference |
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| 11:16.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | how do i do follow tcp stream? |
| 11:16.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | i can see any data in wirreshark leaking through |
| 11:16.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | ahh i see |
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| 11:18.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah it looks cool |
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| 11:37.06 | raven^ | Anyone have a good guide how to host a domain? |
| 11:37.15 | raven^ | I have a server, and a domain..but no idea how to set it up |
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| 11:37.35 | kok | po russki govorit mo}|{Ho ??? |
| 11:37.56 | technologov_ | !ru |
| 11:37.56 | dpkg | Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 11:38.00 | epsilon | get a domain & DNS at a provider, setup services on your box. thats all |
| 11:38.45 | raven^ | epsilon: Yea, but "how" with details. I have no clue what I'm supposed to do on the server |
| 11:39.14 | epsilon | apt-get install apache2? |
| 11:39.26 | epsilon | or whatever service you want to provide |
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| 11:41.43 | _adrian_ | anyone tell me how do you map a key in URxvt so that it does it's kuake thing? |
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| 12:03.06 | Macer | sshfs is great |
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| 12:03.19 | saaad | please help me to recover partitions :( |
| 12:03.28 | Macer | i wonder if they will add it directly to the kernel some day |
| 12:03.40 | saaad | i used testdisk for recovery 3 partitions but.. there are smaller |
| 12:03.42 | saaad | only 8 mb |
| 12:03.46 | saaad | i can mount them with dm-crypt |
| 12:03.52 | saaad | but i can't mount /dev/mapper/names |
| 12:03.54 | saaad | :( |
| 12:04.22 | technologov_ | Macer, if you want something fishy on the GUI level, just try fish:// |
| 12:04.24 | technologov_ | :) |
| 12:04.44 | Macer | technologov_: neh... don't need guis ;) guis are for wimps |
| 12:04.44 | technologov_ | sshfs ~= KDE fish:// |
| 12:04.51 | technologov_ | <-- wimp. |
| 12:04.54 | Macer | lol |
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| 12:05.06 | saaad_ | re |
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| 12:05.17 | Macer | i don't have a linux desktop now anyways |
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| 12:05.32 | Macer | i just have a synology box and an artigo |
| 12:05.40 | technologov_ | Not even Debian GNU/Linux ?! |
| 12:05.44 | technologov_ | ay ay ay ! |
| 12:05.48 | Macer | debian is on the artigo ;) |
| 12:06.05 | Macer | embedded 1GHz/1GB via C7 |
| 12:06.14 | Macer | tiny box .. but it gets the job done |
| 12:06.20 | yamahaalex37 | i dont have a grub.conf |
| 12:06.25 | yamahaalex37 | is that because its a VPS? |
| 12:06.31 | Macer | i had a dual dual core opteron but that thing was a power whore |
| 12:06.36 | colo-work | yamahaalex37, most probably, yes |
| 12:06.38 | technologov_ | yamahaalex37, prolly yes. |
| 12:06.38 | Macer | 340W all the time |
| 12:07.09 | Macer | now with the synology and artigo i am using 54W |
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| 12:09.01 | saaad | damn internet |
| 12:09.48 | saaad | there were 3 logical luks partition |
| 12:09.59 | colo-work | Macer, that's about what my 7TB RAID5 homeserver (AMD K10, 4GB DDR3-SDRAM) uses when idle. |
| 12:10.01 | saaad | fdisk recovered the header, i can use cryptsetup luksOpen |
| 12:10.29 | saaad | but i can "monut /dev/mappe/name".. couse those partition are only 8mb :( |
| 12:10.43 | Macer | colo-work: mine was 8TB ;) |
| 12:10.54 | saaad | *cant |
| 12:10.55 | Macer | now i have 8TB usaable 4x3TB raid 5 |
| 12:11.12 | Macer | in a synology ds411j |
| 12:11.39 | Macer | the old server was 8x1TB raid 5 |
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| 12:21.30 | rly | Is there a way to do consistent snapshots of file systems on Debian? |
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| 12:22.03 | jaakkos | rly: yes. you could use lvm snapshots, for instance. |
| 12:22.14 | jaakkos | depends on what you want to do though. |
| 12:22.28 | jaakkos | you won't have anything as cool as zfs. |
| 12:22.33 | rly | jaakkos: do they require one to stop using the system? |
| 12:22.38 | jaakkos | no |
| 12:22.41 | rly | jaakkos: e.g. to umount it. |
| 12:23.01 | jaakkos | you will get a "mirror" of the block device in a consistent state. |
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| 12:23.12 | jaakkos | note that the this is not purely block level |
| 12:23.23 | rly | jaakkos: then how can it possible work if I write to a random file every 10 ms? |
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| 12:23.39 | jaakkos | the underlying file system has a freeze operation that tries to ensure the fs on the snapshot is somewhat consistent. |
| 12:23.55 | rly | 'somewhat consistent' is not consistent. |
| 12:24.02 | jaakkos | it is as far as fs is concerned |
| 12:24.15 | rly | Also, the meaning of 'consistent' is rather vague. |
| 12:24.22 | jaakkos | yes. |
| 12:24.30 | themill | rly: depends what you mean by consistent. |
| 12:24.32 | jaakkos | it cannot know what your applicateions are doing |
| 12:24.42 | jaakkos | but it will ensure the filesystem is consistent |
| 12:24.43 | rly | jaakkos: exactly. |
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| 12:25.02 | rly | Is it consistent in that it is a state at which the FS was at one point? |
| 12:25.10 | themill | which is what you asked for |
| 12:25.24 | jaakkos | rly: yes and that point is such that it is possible to mount it successfully |
| 12:25.43 | jaakkos | note that this is not always true when the fs is arranging metadata for instance, so pulling a plug would corrupt it at least without journalling |
| 12:25.47 | rly | So, basically if you want to have real consistency, you need to use a virtual machine? |
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| 12:26.06 | rly | Real consistency being defined as application level consistency and FS level consistency. |
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| 12:26.19 | jaakkos | rly: your applications need to be aware of the snapshot. |
| 12:26.31 | jaakkos | which is probably too much asked. |
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| 12:27.01 | saaad | how can i resize logical partition? without filesystem |
| 12:27.46 | jaakkos | rly: however what do you mean by < rly> jaakkos: then how can it possible work if I write to a random file every 10 ms? |
| 12:28.05 | saaad | Maximize in cfdisk don't works |
| 12:28.09 | saaad | only change the flags to "NC" |
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| 12:28.46 | rly | jaakkos: never mind, it was silly question. |
| 12:29.37 | rly | jaakkos: ok, or what about a server in which tons of concurrent FS operations run. |
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| 12:30.14 | rly | jaakkos: it seems non-trivial to make sure that it is a consistent state without halting all I/O for a small amount of time. |
| 12:30.17 | jaakkos | freezing the filesystem will block new operations and let the queued ones finish |
| 12:30.32 | jaakkos | the lvm freezer calls the fs's freezer which doees that. |
| 12:30.39 | rly | jaakkos: oh, right, you said something like that. How long do those freezes take on real FSs? |
| 12:30.49 | jaakkos | rly: <1 second |
| 12:31.00 | saaad | i can't resize them with gparted |
| 12:31.21 | jaakkos | saaad: lvresize |
| 12:31.29 | saaad | uhm not with lvm |
| 12:31.33 | saaad | logical of extended partition |
| 12:31.37 | jaakkos | ah |
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| 12:31.56 | saaad | i used testkdisk to recover luks partitions logical |
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| 12:32.06 | saaad | but they are smaller.. i can mount them, but can't mount the filesystem |
| 12:32.12 | saaad | couse they are all 8mb of a lot of mb |
| 12:32.21 | saaad | i need to resize them with freespace after :( |
| 12:32.38 | jaakkos | use fdisk? |
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| 12:32.59 | Sc0rian | hello all... i have 4 debian boxes (which are all the same) they run on a e1000e driver.. for some reason all boxes are getting serious rx drops.. i have changed switch and tried different network card (still using same driver though)... the only thing i can think of is to update to the latest e1000e driver on soruceforge |
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| 12:33.25 | saaad | how? |
| 12:33.29 | saaad | i can't find the option for resize |
| 12:33.30 | X0Rc0re | whats the problem? http://pastebin.com/dAh38K6h |
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| 12:33.38 | X0Rc0re | why does it output that? |
| 12:33.59 | jaakkos | saaad: you need to delete and re-create the partition |
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| 12:34.24 | jaakkos | saaad: use 'p' to find out some critical information first. |
| 12:34.32 | jaakkos | about the start of the partition |
| 12:34.33 | saaad | omg |
| 12:34.39 | saaad | but if i delete |
| 12:34.41 | saaad | i lost my data |
| 12:34.57 | jaakkos | well fdisk will not delete until you give the w command |
| 12:35.10 | jaakkos | so just queue both delete and create |
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| 12:35.51 | Psi-Jack | Just an FYI: X0Rc0re was just flooding and ban evading in another channel. |
| 12:36.06 | X0Rc0re | Psi-Jack: who cares? |
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| 12:36.17 | X0Rc0re | its not for you to interfere in another channel :dumb: |
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| 12:36.34 | X0Rc0re | not gtfo |
| 12:36.37 | X0Rc0re | now* |
| 12:37.51 | X0Rc0re | its funny because Psi-Jack put inv only on his channel :lol: |
| 12:38.24 | Sc0rian | hello all... i have 4 debian boxes (which are all the same) they run on a e1000e driver.. for some reason all boxes are getting serious rx drops.. i have changed switch and tried different network card (still using same driver though)... the only thing i can think of is to update to the latest e1000e driver on soruceforge |
| 12:38.27 | X0Rc0re | Psi-Jack: is an internet tough guy |
| 12:38.46 | Sc0rian | the driver version is 1.2.20-k2 |
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| 12:39.38 | Unkn0wnOn3 | hi |
| 12:39.44 | jaakkos | saaad: but it goes without saying, messing up the procedure will potentially end up in lost data :) |
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| 12:39.59 | Psi-Jack | Oh yeah, and X0Rc0re == Unkn0wnOn3 |
| 12:40.15 | X0Rc0re | yes |
| 12:40.15 | Unkn0wnOn3 | no hes my m8 |
| 12:40.19 | X0Rc0re | im on 2 places at once |
| 12:40.19 | themill | Psi-Jack, X0Rc0re: perhaps you'd like to play elsewhere |
| 12:40.21 | X0Rc0re | dumbass |
| 12:40.46 | X0Rc0re | and its = not == |
| 12:41.00 | X0Rc0re | we are not doing programming atm. |
| 12:41.09 | Unkn0wnOn3 | ol |
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| 12:42.15 | Unkn0wnOn3 | psi-jack can u help me with this please http://pastebin.com/zJ26uwJB |
| 12:42.36 | X0Rc0re | yes help him |
| 12:42.42 | themill | That doesn't look very debian related |
| 12:42.55 | X0Rc0re | its linux related which is debian related |
| 12:42.58 | X0Rc0re | as its a distro |
| 12:43.02 | X0Rc0re | of linux |
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| 12:43.20 | themill | X0Rc0re: how about you take a break from #debian and when you come back, try being more signal and less noise. |
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| 12:46.24 | Sc0rian | anybody!? |
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| 12:51.17 | diverdude | Hello. I am trying to setup subdomains in my debian box w. apache. I managed to make it work very well for http, but for https there seem to be problems. I have these setups: http://bin.cakephp.org/view/710767679 Upper is for http and lower is for https. What am I doing wrong in the https setup? |
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| 12:55.41 | folivora | diverdude: have you set-up: Include ../../../httpd-ssl.conf <- |
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| 12:58.15 | diverdude | folivora, no...but i dont have a httpd-ssl.conf in ../.. (i am standing in /etc/apache2) |
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| 12:58.49 | diverdude | i mean ../../.. |
| 12:58.49 | folivora | diverdude: etc/apache22/extra/ ? |
| 12:59.03 | AthomiK | hello |
| 12:59.10 | folivora | or /etc/apache22/<- what ever dir it is in... |
| 12:59.11 | diverdude | folivora, dont have that path |
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| 13:00.03 | shrek1 | hi |
| 13:00.26 | diverdude | folivora, sudo find / -iname httpd-ssl.conf returns nothing |
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| 13:01.02 | diverdude | folivora, whats supposed to be inside that conf file? |
| 13:01.15 | folivora | diverdude: Module Locations :: /etc/apache2/mods-available, /etc/apache2/mods-enabled |
| 13:01.24 | folivora | have you enabled to module for https ? |
| 13:01.29 | diverdude | yes |
| 13:01.30 | Leoneof | hello, i don't have this file: /usr/share/PolicyKit/policy/org.freedesktop.hal.device-access.policy |
| 13:01.31 | diverdude | i have |
| 13:02.04 | Leoneof | or any files that starts with: org.freedesktop.hal.* |
| 13:02.05 | shrek1 | i having problem with my brcmsmac module in ubuntu 11.10 . my system hangs in WiFi network too frequently |
| 13:02.18 | diverdude | folivora, ^ |
| 13:02.20 | shrek1 | any solution? |
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| 13:03.05 | folivora | diverdude: forget httpd-ssl.conf <- FreeBSD difference.. :) |
| 13:03.18 | babilen | Leoneof: That file is not in any package and it should be noted that HAL has been deprecated. |
| 13:03.22 | diverdude | folivora, ok :) |
| 13:03.27 | folivora | Just checked apache-site, some small differences to debian |
| 13:03.28 | folivora | hmm |
| 13:03.37 | Leoneof | babilen: oh, thanks. |
| 13:03.39 | folivora | Anything in -error.log ? |
| 13:03.44 | babilen | shrek1: Ask in #ubuntu |
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| 13:03.53 | diverdude | folivora, but i dont understand what im doing wrong. did i configure my vhost wrong? |
| 13:05.31 | Leoneof | babilen: dolphin can't mount partition, just with root only, any idea? |
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| 13:06.30 | babilen | Leoneof: I don't use KDE so I am not sure what requirements dolphin has, but you might want to check that your user is a member of the plugdev group. Also: Which filesystem do you want to mount? |
| 13:06.51 | Leoneof | babilen: ext4 |
| 13:07.22 | folivora | diverdude: may I have look into your error-log. file :) |
| 13:07.33 | babilen | Leoneof: Can you mount it manually with "mount /dev/sd?? /media/foo" (make sure that the mount point exists before attempting this) |
| 13:07.43 | diverdude | folivora, sure..moment |
| 13:07.52 | Leoneof | babilen: in dolphin... i get this error: "An error occurred while accessing `Disk`, the system responded: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.PermissionDenied: Refusing to mount device /dev/sda5 for uid=1000." |
| 13:08.47 | babilen | Leoneof: That command has to be run as root -- If that works, unmount it again (umount /media/foo) and remove the temporary mount point (rmdir /media/foo) -- next step would be to try something like pmount. |
| 13:08.51 | folivora | Leoneof: wrong uid or you dont have permission to run mount cmd or that disk or destination |
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| 13:09.36 | Leoneof | okay, i can mount/umount with root only. |
| 13:09.38 | babilen | Leoneof: Is your user a member of the plugdev group? |
| 13:09.48 | Leoneof | one sec |
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| 13:10.34 | Leoneof | babilen: it is unchecked |
| 13:11.30 | babilen | Leoneof: Ok, please add your user to the plugdev group (adduser YOURUSER plugdev" and relogin. I would recommend to check that you are a member of other common desktop groups (/msg dpkg desktop groups) as well. |
| 13:11.40 | babilen | s/"/) |
| 13:12.09 | Leoneof | babilen: i did, it is need to reboot? |
| 13:12.18 | babilen | Leoneof: No, you need to relogin. |
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| 13:12.24 | Leoneof | ok |
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| 13:16.48 | diverdude | folivora, its here: http://bin.cakephp.org/view/603251190 |
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| 13:18.39 | manhunter | how can i check if the postfix daemon is running or not? |
| 13:18.40 | folivora | diverdude: not much in the log-file : ... |
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| 13:19.22 | folivora | diverdude: have you set-up NameVirtualHost? and does your port 80 work ? |
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| 13:19.38 | diverdude | folivora, yes to both |
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| 13:20.04 | folivora | you have NameVirtualHost ip:80 and NameVirtualHost ip:443 ? |
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| 13:20.38 | manhunter | how can i check if the postfix daemon is running or not? |
| 13:20.43 | folivora | diverdude: aaa I see you can't use <VirtualHost *:80> <---- |
| 13:20.59 | folivora | U need <VirtualHost IP:80> |
| 13:21.10 | folivora | and <VirtualHost IP:443> |
| 13:21.19 | haole | hello there... does someone have experience packaging comercial software? i need to make a package for a software that likes to install itself in /opt, with lots of binary files and set a few environment variables... are there debian policies for this? |
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| 13:21.26 | Leoneof | babilen: i did relogin, and restart too... still same problem. |
| 13:21.26 | haole | i don't want to mess my system :) |
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| 13:21.54 | themill | Leoneof: are you successfully in the "plugdev" group now? Also, what release? squeeze? wheezy? |
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| 13:22.19 | Leoneof | themill: squeeze 6 |
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| 13:22.40 | themill | Leoneof: and "groups" outputs? |
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| 13:22.49 | folivora | diverdude: got it ? |
| 13:23.00 | Leoneof | themill: i can see [x] beside plugdev |
| 13:23.52 | themill | Leoneof: is this device listed in /etc/fstab? (It should not be to have automounting work, as a general rule) |
| 13:23.55 | diverdude | folivora, but im not...im using <VirtualHost *:443> |
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| 13:28.00 | Leoneof | themill: no, it is not listed in that file |
| 13:28.09 | konradb | can i install gimp 2.7 on debian squeeze? |
| 13:28.14 | konradb | in repo i have 2.6 |
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| 13:29.02 | Fool1sh | Hello, i'm struggling on this problem for a few days : http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8880500/dkim-authentification-does-not-pass-in-gmail-debian-6 if someone already went through that... |
| 13:29.16 | babilen | konradb: Gimp 2.7 has not yet been packaged for Debian AFAICT -- You *might* have some success with uupdate (/msg dpkg uupdate) but I can not guarantee that it'll work. |
| 13:29.53 | folivora | diverdude: If i rmemeber right you cant use wildcards with https |
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| 13:29.56 | folivora | so try with IP |
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| 13:30.06 | nsadmin | , versions gimp |
| 13:30.07 | judd | Package: gimp on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.7-1; squeeze: 2.6.10-1; sid: 2.6.11-8; wheezy: 2.6.11-8 |
| 13:30.13 | Janhouse | How can I restore packages default configuration? |
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| 13:30.45 | nsadmin | one way is to purge and install again |
| 13:30.55 | diverdude | folivora, it might be a very simple issue...i cannot do telnet mydomain 443 |
| 13:31.28 | folivora | hehe =) |
| 13:31.34 | folivora | firewall ? |
| 13:31.36 | folivora | :D |
| 13:32.01 | folivora | I couldnt use *:443 with my apache... gotta have ip addresses |
| 13:32.10 | folivora | tho, I have many virtualhosts... |
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| 13:33.38 | Janhouse | nsadmin, purge did not do anything |
| 13:33.44 | Janhouse | didn't remove the configuration foler |
| 13:33.54 | Janhouse | and after installing later on, didn't make any |
| 13:34.02 | Janhouse | I am talking about apache2 in this case |
| 13:34.04 | Janhouse | on squeeze |
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| 13:34.40 | nsadmin | the configureation folder which is located where? |
| 13:34.59 | ksk | imho you have to do an "aptitude purge $foo, dpkg -P $foo, aptitude install $foo" |
| 13:35.03 | ksk | aptitude purge is not enough |
| 13:35.04 | themill | Janhouse: you need to purge the correct package. |
| 13:35.15 | themill | ksk: aptitude purge is the same as dpkg -P |
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| 13:35.53 | ksk | themill: it was definitly not in my case (wanted to restore "out of the box" mysql databases"...) |
| 13:36.04 | nsadmin | ksk, therefore aptitude purge does not do dpkg --purge? |
| 13:36.20 | diverdude | folivora, i just needed to port forward....works now |
| 13:36.34 | themill | ksk: dpkg -P will just tell you at that stage that it was already purged. Unless you're then purging a different package in the second command. |
| 13:36.36 | Janhouse | well |
| 13:36.37 | Janhouse | anyway |
| 13:36.43 | ksk | i do not know guys :) if you tell me it might be right, but just did not solve my problem, but dpkg did |
| 13:36.43 | Janhouse | how do I get the default apache2 config? |
| 13:36.51 | themill | Janhouse: what package did you purge? |
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| 13:36.55 | Janhouse | apache2 |
| 13:37.04 | themill | [13:35] <themill> Janhouse: you need to purge the correct package. |
| 13:37.14 | Janhouse | well, and what is the correct package in this case? |
| 13:37.58 | themill | apache2.2-common (use dpkg -S or apt-file to find out) |
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| 13:40.06 | nsadmin | aside from apache2, whats apache2.2-common the common denominator of? |
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| 13:41.31 | folivora | diverdude: good good =) |
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| 13:41.49 | folivora | diverdude: seems that there are sum differencies between debian and fbsd configuratio |
| 13:41.59 | themill | nsadmin: aptitude search ~Dapache2.2-common |
| 13:42.00 | diverdude | folivora, now i just need to figure out how to change the avatar on gitorious :) |
| 13:42.11 | diverdude | folivora, yes there are big differences |
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| 13:42.40 | ksk | so "aptitude purge $metapackage" does not purge all its included packages.. this should solve my "problem". thanks themill, nsadmin |
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| 13:42.58 | nsadmin | do you havw your own gitoriuous? |
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| 13:43.16 | diverdude | nsadmin, yeah |
| 13:43.39 | nsadmin | was it simple to set up? it looked daunting to me |
| 13:43.52 | diverdude | nsadmin, actually no...took quite a while |
| 13:43.54 | themill | ksk: yeah, the named packages are purged; the automaticly removed packages are only removed unless you specify addition options |
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| 13:44.19 | diverdude | nsadmin, but i can recommend following this tutorial: coding-journal.com/installing-gitorious-on-ubuntu-11-04/ |
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| 13:44.46 | nsadmin | what did you end up installing it on? |
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| 13:44.57 | mikemol | planet.debian.org runs on planetplanet. I could have sworn there was once a Debian package for that software, but now I can't find it. Is there one, or am I going to need to grab source from upstream? |
| 13:45.02 | diverdude | nsadmin, ubuntu 10.10 server edition 32 bit system |
| 13:45.16 | nsadmin | is it running well? |
| 13:45.21 | diverdude | nsadmin, it seems so |
| 13:45.29 | mikemol | s/planet.debian.org/planet.debian.net/ |
| 13:46.10 | diverdude | nsadmin, i only tested cloning and pushing and the webinterface...and those seem to run fine except for some problem with the css which i suspect is really because its unable to link to the avatar image |
| 13:46.28 | diverdude | nsadmin, so i think it clashes together because there is not an image |
| 13:46.55 | diverdude | nsadmin, so i suppose if i figure out how to set the avatar image (which should be rather easy) it should look fine |
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| 13:47.04 | diverdude | nsadmin, but thats just cosmetic issue |
| 13:47.05 | nsadmin | is the avatar image a pic of the developer? |
| 13:47.11 | diverdude | nsadmin, yes |
| 13:47.57 | nsadmin | cool... thanks for the link, I'll look into it again |
| 13:48.44 | diverdude | nsadmin, no probs...and yeah...it can be a nightmare...but mainly bcause of ruby...just follow that guide and youll be fine |
| 13:49.13 | nsadmin | how long did it take to get you to where you are? |
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| 13:50.07 | diverdude | nsadmin, im quite embarrased to say |
| 13:50.22 | nsadmin | don't be... |
| 13:50.38 | diverdude | nsadmin, but thats because i fiddled around with gitlab first and fucked up the ruby versions and such |
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| 13:51.23 | diverdude | nsadmin, but i think around 1 week or so..including setting up virtual hosts for subdomains...and creating a domain |
| 13:51.41 | nsadmin | I've been looking into this for months, and when I first looked at it, I couldn't even figure out how to get started in a sure way to where I was sure I could progres |
| 13:51.47 | diverdude | maybe 5 days |
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| 13:53.20 | diverdude | took maybe 2 days of |
| 13:53.30 | nsadmin | and I bet you learned a bunch of things over that time |
| 13:53.56 | diverdude | nsadmin, yeah i sure did-....but problem is that these things i have forgotten again within a week |
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| 13:56.28 | nsadmin | anyway... I'm crashing :) (no, not ircing from the moving car)... one thing before I go... are you finding your resulting site useful? |
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| 13:57.04 | _abc__ | What can cause vim to not work well? Eg: dd line leaves SI in the next line?! |
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| 13:57.18 | diverdude | nsadmin, very useful...now i can finally start to organize myself :) |
| 13:57.26 | nsadmin | I never thought vim worked well.... |
| 13:57.31 | SOLON_ | I'm working in a C++ project (eclipse) and need to use time.h | It's not finding the clocks like:"CLOCK_REALTIME" or "CLOCK_PROCESS_CPUTIME_ID" | It's working fine on my co-worker who is using archlinux. Does anyone have any idea's? |
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| 13:58.18 | diverdude | nsadmin, just get started installing :) youll be quickly done when you have that link |
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| 13:58.45 | diverdude | nsadmin, however...my advice is to instrall it in a virtual machine first...just to practice |
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| 13:59.10 | diverdude | nsadmin, so you dont fuck up the very delicate ruby environkment |
| 13:59.14 | diverdude | environment |
| 13:59.23 | dzhkh | Is it possible to configure a system to send console output via serial but accept input via a usb keyboard? :\ |
| 13:59.52 | dzhkh | (i have a device with a broken serial TX hole) |
| 13:59.56 | dzhkh | err |
| 13:59.57 | dzhkh | RX |
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| 14:00.56 | nsadmin | good idea... |
| 14:01.25 | nsadmin | (note to self: don't put cereal bowl or other heavy objects on keyboard) |
| 14:01.38 | diverdude | also good idea |
| 14:01.49 | nsadmin | (note to self: don't put cereal bowl AND other heavy objects on keyboard) |
| 14:01.58 | diverdude | better idea |
| 14:02.16 | Chinese_soup | so many good ideas! |
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| 14:03.15 | digdilem_ | take keyboard with you when you leave. |
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| 14:07.40 | humbolt | grub was so easy to handle back in the days of menu.lst |
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| 14:08.03 | nsadmin | still easy... update-grub... done |
| 14:08.04 | colo-work | yeah, but it's so awesomely fleible with the new config |
| 14:08.09 | colo-work | flexible* |
| 14:08.45 | humbolt | can somebody help me out? I am moving my system from one hdd to another and need grub installed in the mbr of that disk and then find the grub stuff on the right partition of that disk. |
| 14:08.51 | biz | dzhkh: screen session, then attach (-x) from where you want |
| 14:09.50 | humbolt | I did grub-install --boot-directory=/media/System/boot/ /dev/sda1 |
| 14:10.25 | humbolt | is grub smart enough to figure out, that /media/System/boot will then be /boot? |
| 14:10.49 | mjt | are you installing it into sda or sdb? |
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| 14:14.44 | haole | what would be a good mailing list to ask about debian's packaging policies and to get support for building packages? |
| 14:15.14 | humbolt | mjt: I am installing it into sda, transfering it from some raid setup. |
| 14:15.32 | mjt | haole: debian-mentors@lists.d.o maybe? |
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| 14:15.38 | babilen | !tell haole -about mentors |
| 14:16.07 | humbolt | I used to simply use grub on the command line set root to the partition holding /boot and then setup to the mbr. done. |
| 14:16.16 | abhijeet | hi guys . I want to install spacefun plymouth theme but i m not getting the location from where i can download the package |
| 14:16.27 | abhijeet | can anyone pls help me out to figure out the location . |
| 14:16.44 | humbolt | nowadays, this is a whole lot more complicated or at least less transparent |
| 14:17.13 | mjt | humbolt: you can still do the same, just don't forget to mount also /dev and /proc (and maybe /sys) |
| 14:17.33 | mjt | humbolt: note /dev/sda1 is not where the MBR resides |
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| 14:17.46 | eutheria | does anyone here use proxmox? |
| 14:17.57 | mcfrisk | Could someone help with some performance issues with Lenovo Thinkpad T420 which is grinding to a halt after few days of uptime with squeeze and 3.0.16. dmesg shows nothing, but file access goes slow and even browser disk cache lookups take tens of seconds (rootfs ext4 with encrypted lvm), hdparm output http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=9Z2w1PZA |
| 14:17.57 | humbolt | mjt: so it is |
| 14:18.18 | humbolt | mjt: mbr resides on sda, where else |
| 14:18.27 | biz | humbolt: if you don't want to waste time: boot sysresccd.org, transfer your partitions and data (dd the whole disk or sfdisk -d old | sfdisk new && rsync ...), then mount --bind /proc, /sys, and /dev into the new system |
| 14:18.43 | mjt | humbolt: sda1 is a part of sda, and mbr is outside of sda1. |
| 14:18.44 | biz | humbolt: finally, chroot into the new system and run dpgk-reconfigure grub-pc |
| 14:18.52 | abhijeet | any pointer guys. |
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| 14:19.08 | humbolt | biz: that sounds reasonable |
| 14:19.56 | eutheria | i am looking to install a minimal install just enough to boot run apt and openssh |
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| 14:21.35 | biz | humbolt: s/dpgk/dpkg/ |
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| 14:25.00 | diverdude | nsadmin, ahhh solved. Gitorious now running perfect :) |
| 14:25.32 | aguitel | how i know if video car i am using is pci ,pcie or agp ? |
| 14:26.10 | eutheria | can debian create the software raid during installation? |
| 14:26.24 | aguitel | video card |
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| 14:31.53 | Fool1sh | Does anyone know how to setup DKIM properly ? I'm kind of stucked. See http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8880500/dkim-authentification-does-not-pass-in-gmail-debian-6 for details... |
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| 14:33.51 | biz | aguitel: /var/log/Xorg.*.log might tell you, if not, lspci + dmidecode |
| 14:34.09 | aguitel | biz, ok |
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| 14:35.27 | Iridos | there's always some new acronym one's never heard of /o\ |
| 14:35.35 | Iridos | dpkg, dkim |
| 14:35.36 | dpkg | DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) is a method for associating a domain name to an email message, thereby allowing a person, role, or organization to claim some responsibility for the message. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DKIM |
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| 14:38.48 | ChrisH | eutheria: yes it can |
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| 14:39.18 | eutheria | thanks ChrisH |
| 14:39.47 | Leoneof | themill: i'm still not able to mount partition in dolphin. |
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| 14:40.27 | ChrisH | eutheria: AFAIK you can only boot from a mirror device. |
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| 14:40.32 | themill | Leoneof: can you pastebin the output of "aptitude search ~npolk~i ~nhal~i" for me? |
| 14:40.42 | Leoneof | ok |
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| 14:42.05 | eutheria | ChrisH, I am looking to install debian so i can use proxmox to manage my vm, ubuntu didn't really give me anything |
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| 14:43.47 | Leoneof | themill: http://pastebin.com/uf8T3kPS |
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| 14:47.05 | themill | Leoneof: does running "aptitude install kde-standard" want to install any more packages? |
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| 14:47.49 | Leoneof | themill: no. |
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| 14:48.23 | edju | lost my wireless for some reason. using wicd, buy won't work manually with dhclient, either. hangs at DHCPDISCOVER and gives up. any advice, pointers appreciated. |
| 14:48.38 | themill | Leoneof: can you pastebin "aptitude search ~nsolid~i" ? |
| 14:50.17 | Leoneof | themill: http://pastebin.com/zEYNcCwx |
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| 14:51.26 | qdb | hello |
| 14:51.46 | themill | Leoneof: In System Settings -> Service Manager, is "Removable Device Automounter" running? |
| 14:52.07 | D-Boy | i use "mount -t cifs -o username=Cain,password='CainPassword' //10.10.1.200/CentraL /media/Cronos/CentraL/" , now how to make /media/Cronos/CentraL/ writable with a 'normal' debian user ? (i have a user cain in debian too) |
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| 14:54.09 | Some_Person | stupid apt-listchanges |
| 14:54.43 | Leoneof | themill: yes, it is running. |
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| 14:55.31 | Some_Person | I thought the dist-upgrade should be unattended, but apt-listchanges had other plans |
| 14:55.49 | DelTree | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:55.52 | DelTree | oops... |
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| 14:57.01 | themill | Some_Person: a dist-upgrade will rarely complete unattended. You're also like to have debconf prompts. |
| 14:57.53 | themill | Leoneof: no idea then... it sounds like it should all just work and you seem to have to the right packages installed. Perhaps try #kde again or #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:57.55 | Iridos | I wish it was arranged such that all the stuff that can run unattended does so before you get to the bit where you have to answer questions |
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| 14:58.34 | qdb | wh?t's diff of liv.cd menu 486 and 486 fails. |
| 14:58.35 | themill | Iridos: preconfigure attempts to do that. Sometimes there's logic in .postinst or .preinst that isn't in .config so you still get some more prompts later. |
| 14:58.47 | Leoneof | themill: thank you |
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| 15:00.18 | stephanj | hi is there a way in debian lenny to change the dash shell back to bash?(globally so f.e. perl system calls use bash instead of dash= |
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| 15:01.31 | babilen | stephanj: "dpkg-reconfigure bash" -- but dash is nice and your programs shouldn't rely on "sh" being bash, but call/declare bash explicitly. |
| 15:02.05 | themill | stephanj: lenny didn't have sh->dash anyway. |
| 15:02.38 | babilen | ugh, right |
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| 15:04.43 | cHarNe2 | hi guys, wen i installed my debian, i didnt have any internet-access. so i could not set a mirror. How do i set this now afterwords? |
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| 15:05.19 | stephanj | themill: sry squeeze |
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| 15:05.53 | themill | stephanj: then yeah, what babilen said |
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| 15:06.28 | stephanj | babilen: we got many scripts which use "echo -e" which worked great except for dash which printed the -e with the output |
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| 15:06.41 | stephanj | sure we will try to convert them but |
| 15:07.01 | jhutchins_wk | !sources.list |
| 15:07.02 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 15:07.02 | babilen | stephanj: Do you use "#!/bin/bash" as shebang? |
| 15:07.54 | stephanj | babilen: we use perl scripts |
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| 15:08.27 | stephanj | which execute external programms and print lines into files |
| 15:08.39 | stephanj | and via qx the default shell(dash is used) |
| 15:09.20 | themill | eww? |
| 15:09.47 | stephanj | eww? |
| 15:09.57 | Iridos | I think he just found something in his coffee |
| 15:10.02 | phogg | stephanj: sounds like you should have used printf(1) |
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| 15:10.28 | stephanj | phogg: old old scripts |
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| 15:10.46 | jonwazz | asdf |
| 15:10.47 | themill | stephanj: I'm yet to find a situation where calling sh from perl is a good idea. I think you've given me another example of why it's best avoided |
| 15:10.48 | phogg | stephanj: perl scripts calling qx to call echo -e? |
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| 15:10.57 | jonwazz | wow i can talk now |
| 15:11.02 | jonwazz | pfft, i wasnt even root before |
| 15:11.04 | stephanj | phogg: i didnt write them! |
| 15:11.04 | phogg | stephanj: you should shoot the author |
| 15:11.06 | jonwazz | thats so dumb. |
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| 15:11.14 | p3rror | hello |
| 15:11.20 | p3rror | please i've installed wheezy on a HP laptop |
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| 15:11.23 | stephanj | phogg: sadly he left the company or i would hav been doing so |
| 15:11.33 | jonwazz | hey guys how can you fsck a server without the rescue cd, and i cant boot because it just kernel panics when trying to mount drive |
| 15:11.34 | p3rror | and i get a error message something like drm |
| 15:11.37 | stephanj | themill: ye as saied i am just have to clean the mess |
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| 15:11.40 | dzhkh | mjt: thanks for help but that doesn't work :\ |
| 15:11.46 | phogg | stephanj: pretty easy to use sed to s/echo -e/printf/ |
| 15:11.49 | dzhkh | mjt: i can't type anything to get a screen session |
| 15:11.52 | p3rror | and after a black screen |
| 15:11.59 | p3rror | can ou help me with this ? |
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| 15:12.18 | dzhkh | I need to configure it so that I can read output via serial and input via keyboard :\ |
| 15:12.39 | themill | stephanj: you can point sh back to bash if you want -- that might be the path of least resistance for you at this stage. Depends on the size of the job. You'll lose the advantages of sh->dash (which is mainly memory footprint and speed at boot time), but they probably don't interest you as much as just getting the old cruft working again. |
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| 15:13.09 | mjt | dzhkh: i dont remember what you're talking about :) |
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| 15:13.33 | dzhkh | ah, i have a system with a physically read only serial console and no monitor output, but with usb |
| 15:13.39 | dzhkh | and was wondering if there was a way of getting that to work |
| 15:13.50 | jonwazz | hey guys can someone help me fsck this server, i get kernel panic at boot cuz it fails to mount drive |
| 15:13.52 | stephanj | themill: sure, and rewrite them is already planed :) |
| 15:14.22 | mjt | dzhkh: and i tried to help you? Honestly i don't remember :) |
| 15:14.26 | themill | stephanj: something a little less crufty sounds like a good choice... |
| 15:15.05 | dzhkh | haha you did |
| 15:15.07 | dzhkh | ok ;) |
| 15:15.25 | jonwazz | hello everyone? |
| 15:15.58 | mjt | dzhkh: but really, it should work, just specify two consoles |
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| 15:16.28 | et | jonwazz: the chances of somebody answering is much higher if you ask an actual question |
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| 15:16.47 | cHarNe2 | jhutchins_wk: im but im not sure im im doing it right, it looks like this for me, but i cant find emacs: http://pastie.org/3195427 |
| 15:16.56 | jonwazz | how do i fsck my server without the server cd (rescue mode) |
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| 15:17.46 | jhutchins_wk | cHarNe2: Change the end of that to read ... main contrib non-free and update again. (emacs should be in main though.) |
| 15:18.07 | jhutchins_wk | cHarNe2: Oh - you only have the security site there, you need a regular registry. |
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| 15:18.46 | jhutchins_wk | cHarNe2: deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
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| 15:23.09 | cHarNe2 | jhutchins_wk: tyvm, seems to work fine :) |
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| 15:30.59 | eutheria | to install a minimal system i just need cd1? |
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| 15:31.39 | ksk | its "much" more than a minimal system, but yes eutheria |
| 15:31.45 | themill | eutheria: depends on your definition of minimal; the netinst is sufficient for a very minimal system. |
| 15:31.47 | edju | lost my wireless for some reason. using wicd, but won't work manually with dhclient, either. hangs at DHCPDISCOVER and gives up. any advice, pointers appreciated. |
| 15:32.05 | babilen | eutheria: You can use the netinst if you have a working (wired) internet connection during the installation. (/msg dpkg netinst) -- You want to install the "standard" task though. (or rather: it is quite likely that you do) |
| 15:32.12 | Some_Person | Ok, I hope things aren't too screwed up here |
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| 15:32.23 | Some_Person | I accidentally shut off the machine's power during the dist-upgrade |
| 15:32.31 | babilen | eutheria: And a very minimal system can even be installed directly from the netinst without network access |
| 15:32.31 | eutheria | i just want enough to boot into a system running openssh |
| 15:32.44 | eutheria | can i do it from the cd? |
| 15:33.03 | Some_Person | It still runs though, I have twm running and I have the ethernet working, and I'm chatting to y'all from that machine in Google Chrome |
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| 15:33.07 | babilen | !tell eutheria -about cd content |
| 15:33.08 | eutheria | i will be installing proxmox kvm ui thingy |
| 15:33.11 | Some_Person | Where should I start with fixing this? |
| 15:33.20 | jonwazz | What are my options here guys? http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/5641/kvm.png |
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| 15:34.35 | babilen | eutheria: Proxmox is not Debian -- Take a look at http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
| 15:34.37 | ChrisH | jonwazz: to me it looks like the initrd is missing. boot an older kernel and recreate the initrd |
| 15:35.10 | jonwazz | ChrisH when i am at grub and i attempt to boot to older kenerl it gives me the same bs |
| 15:35.32 | eutheria | babilen, well you can install debian and then the ui |
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| 15:42.15 | Some_Person | Ok, I've got some major dpkg/apt issues here |
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| 15:43.01 | Some_Person | I accidentally powered off my machine during a dist-upgrade |
| 15:43.03 | cube | hi, I was looking at this question http://askubuntu.com/questions/37700/dump-dpkg-package-list-for-fresh-installation, and comment from Jeremy Bicha got me interested, could anybody shed more light on the difference he is writing about ? |
| 15:43.04 | Some_Person | What should I do ow? |
| 15:43.07 | Some_Person | *now? |
| 15:43.28 | babilen | !tell cube -about aptitude clone |
| 15:43.38 | et | cross fingers and rerun dist-upgrade? |
| 15:43.47 | Some_Person | et: Dependency issues |
| 15:43.59 | babilen | cube: I would recommend the approach dpkg (our bot) just tol you about if you want to clone a Debian machine as it takes automatically installed packages into account. |
| 15:44.04 | cHarNe2 | where do i define my own dns-server? i dont wanna use the one i get from the dhcp. and /etc/resolv.conf gets overwritten by something but i dont know what. |
| 15:44.21 | babilen | cHarNe2: How do you configure your network connection? |
| 15:44.34 | cHarNe2 | babilen: /etc/network/interface |
| 15:44.36 | Iridos | Some_Person, well... start with apt-get -f install or aptitude -f install |
| 15:45.02 | Some_Person | Iridos: E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. E: Unable to correct dependencies |
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| 15:45.27 | Some_Person | Iridos: and lots of dependency issues |
| 15:45.47 | Iridos | aptitude should suggest solutions |
| 15:45.53 | cube | babilen: what are those "automathically installed" packages? are those deps of other packages? |
| 15:45.54 | babilen | cHarNe2: Take a look at "/msg dpkg override dns" or set your dns servers in /etc/network/interfaces with dns-nameservers (provided by resolvconf) |
| 15:46.26 | cHarNe2 | babilen: cool, tyvm |
| 15:46.32 | babilen | cube: Exactly -- Manually installed packages are those that you installed explicitly and automatically installed ones are those that are pulled in as dependencies. |
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| 15:46.55 | Some_Person | Iridos: Ok, aptitude suggested some kind of "solution" which is 697 lines long so I cannot scroll back through it to read it |
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| 15:46.59 | babilen | cHarNe2: See http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Defining_the_.28DNS.29_Nameservers for a little more information |
| 15:47.05 | cube | babilen: and apt has a record of how you requested package?, interesting |
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| 15:47.25 | ushaft | hi. i use debian squeeze. i use php5 version 5.3.3-7+squeeze3. but it is looking for extensions in the directory /usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs which does not exist. the modules are in the directory /usr/lib/php5/20090626. How do i make php behave correctly ? |
| 15:47.33 | ushaft | this error happened just after i upgraded my php5 |
| 15:47.38 | Some_Person | Iridos: Part of it involves leaving dependencies unresolved for a lot of packages |
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| 15:48.22 | babilen | cube: Packages are marked as being automatically installed, yes. You can change the state with "aptitude unmarkauto PKG" and "aptitude markauto PKG" |
| 15:49.50 | cube | babilen: where is that information useful? for unistanlling purposes? |
| 15:50.09 | cube | like deps that were explicitly installed won't be removed? |
| 15:50.39 | babilen | cube: Automatically installed packages that no other package depends on are removed automatically by aptitude and apt-get will remove them when you run "apt-get autoremove" |
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| 15:51.16 | babilen | cube: If you want to keep some of those package you would mark them as being manually installed. |
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| 15:51.44 | Iridos | Some_Person, should also look for removed packages as part of the "solution"... |
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| 15:52.36 | Some_Person | Iridos: All I can see is the list of packages that will be kept as the same version and those that will be unresolved. The list fills up gnome-terminal so I can't scroll back further |
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| 15:53.02 | Iridos | Some_Person, well... if it's messed up enough, it might be easier to just make a fresh install. Else you can see how far aptitude can provide a useful solution or you can install/remove packages yourself until you have provided a solution |
| 15:53.03 | cube | babilen: awesome, thank you for help |
| 15:53.22 | Some_Person | Iridos: Is there some way for me to view all of this long output? |
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| 15:53.50 | panosru | hello, could anyone help me with this error? https://gist.github.com/7edbbad9ba84199027bd |
| 15:53.57 | Iridos | Some_Person, yes |
| 15:54.01 | Iridos | several :) |
| 15:54.11 | lovesnow | :) |
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| 15:54.15 | babilen | Some_Person: You can cycle through other solutions. You might also want to look into "aptitude -f install" (or rather scheduled actions) and "dpkg --configure -a" (see "man dpkg" for details) |
| 15:54.19 | pigdude | on lid close, my system becomes unusable |
| 15:54.27 | pigdude | i open the lid, and i see "Lock" cursor |
| 15:54.38 | babilen | cube: You are welcome - Have a nice day :) |
| 15:54.39 | Iridos | Some_Person, e.g. run in an xterm... call with xterm -sl 10000 |
| 15:54.44 | pigdude | this does not happen if i remove /etc/acpi/lid.sh, of course |
| 15:54.57 | pigdude | all i want to happen is for the system to be suspended (pm-suspend) on lid close |
| 15:54.59 | Some_Person | Iridos: Hmm, yeah, not good. It wants to remove 549 packages |
| 15:55.05 | pigdude | does any of this sound familiar? |
| 15:55.20 | themill | panosru: "don't mix releases" is one part of this... |
| 15:55.31 | Iridos | Some_Person, you were upgrading from what to what? |
| 15:55.40 | Some_Person | Iridos: stable -> testing |
| 15:55.47 | themill | !dbugs 650108 |
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| 15:55.52 | dpkg | #650108:I[libaio-dev] trying to overwrite '/usr/share/man/man2/io_getevents.2.gz', which is also in package manpages-dev 3.25-1 (); Sat, 26 Nov 2011 15:57:02 UTC [] |
| 15:55.55 | Iridos | so what does your current sources.list have |
| 15:56.00 | Some_Person | Iridos: testing |
| 15:56.11 | themill | panosru: ^^ and if you like aiming guns at your foot, you should at least look at the BTS |
| 15:56.13 | panosru | themill: thanks for reply but how can I solve it now? I run apt-get upgrade and I got this |
| 15:56.44 | themill | panosru: can you pastebin your sources.list for us? |
| 15:56.49 | panosru | sure |
| 15:57.16 | panosru | themill: https://gist.github.com/4093c583e0dfaa697ddc |
| 15:57.20 | Some_Person | Iridos: should I try changing it back to stable? |
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| 15:58.43 | themill | panosru: how much have you installed from testing? |
| 15:59.03 | panosru | themill: I'm not really sure mate :( |
| 15:59.25 | lovesnow | say themill |
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| 16:02.06 | Iridos | Some_Person, it might help aptitude to find a good solution if you have testing AND stable both in your sources.list |
| 16:02.45 | Some_Person | hmm, according to synaptic, there are only 24 broken packages |
| 16:03.05 | Some_Person | Iridos: Ok, it's worth a shot |
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| 16:04.13 | lovesnow | Who teach me study english? I will who that study chinese :) |
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| 16:06.30 | panosru | themill: do you have suggestion for me in order to fix that issue? :) |
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| 16:06.59 | themill | panosru: what's the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 perl dpkg apt"? |
| 16:07.06 | Some_Person | Iridos: Ok, that's looking quite a bit better: http://paste.debian.net/152441/ |
| 16:07.38 | panosru | themill: https://gist.github.com/15b12d73c61e32837c2e (thanks for helping me out :) ) |
| 16:08.05 | themill | :( |
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| 16:08.55 | Some_Person | Iridos: Do I particularly need any of that stuff? |
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| 16:10.13 | panosru | themill: -> :( <- was for me? :P How serious I am doc? :D |
| 16:11.03 | themill | !unmixing |
| 16:11.04 | dpkg | You can't unmix releases. Downgrading isn't supported by apt, by the maintainer scripts or the packages. If you're in this situation, you have 3 choices none of which is fun: (1) upgrade to testing and learn a lot about debian very quickly to solve the problems you will face (not for servers!) (2) ask me about <partial downgrade> and *try* to go backwards to the older release or (3) restore from backup/reinstall. |
| 16:11.08 | themill | panosru: ^^ |
| 16:12.03 | Some_Person | Iridos: Wait, nevermind, I was looking at the wrong thing :-( |
| 16:12.11 | Iridos | Some_Person, dunno... possibly the gnome* stuff and network-manager. All needed libs are pulled in via dependencies anyway... just keep the list and try installing things that you notice as missing (because functionality isn't there) after you finished the upgrade |
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| 16:12.19 | Some_Person | Iridos: It still wants to remove a crapload of stuff |
| 16:12.44 | panosru | themill: thanks mate! I knew it would be stupid to do apt-get upgrade so I took a snapshot before I do that :) but the thing is that I need to upgrade some things would you mind if I restore the snapshot and give you the output of apt-get upgrade so you could help me on how to upgrade certain things? (erlang for example) |
| 16:13.37 | panosru | themill: also do you advice me to remove testing repo from sources? |
| 16:13.45 | themill | panosru: don't mix releases at all. Don't even add testing or unstable to your sources.list. Make backports of the packages you *really* need newer versions of -- /msg dpkg backports |
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| 16:15.19 | panosru | themill: got it!! Thanks a billing :) would you mind to edit my sources here https://gist.github.com/4093c583e0dfaa697ddc to the proper ones? :) |
| 16:17.08 | themill | panosru: you presumably have stuff in the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory as well |
| 16:17.24 | themill | panosru: basically, get rid of every line that doesn't have "squeeze" in it. |
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| 16:20.10 | panosru | themill: seems that I have one file under sources.list.d dir https://gist.github.com/15bc1f773e4d442625bf should I get rid of it ? |
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| 16:20.27 | themill | yes, you can just delete that file |
| 16:20.29 | panosru | as I see the repo inside that file does not have squeeze |
| 16:20.33 | panosru | cool |
| 16:22.47 | panosru | themill: I guess it was needed by something I installed on some point but I removed it now to be sure I won't get any issues like that again :) Thanks a lot for your help mate! seems also that erlang was using that testing repo but the version I have installed is stable so I'll stick with that :) |
| 16:23.11 | themill | panosru: much better plan! Happy hunting. |
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| 16:28.42 | arcfide | Hello all. I hope I can get some software recommendations. |
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| 16:29.06 | arcfide | I have set a friend up on a PowerPC Debian Linux box, with a graphical setup and the like, to replace the aging Mac software on the machine. |
| 16:29.21 | arcfide | I have it running with XFCE and mostly my friend is happy with it. |
| 16:30.05 | arcfide | However, now I need to find a good graphical program for converting audio files to different formats and to enable cd ripping. This is on Debian Stable. |
| 16:30.42 | Some_Person | Iridos: Are you still there? |
| 16:30.47 | Iridos | Some_Person, no |
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| 16:30.48 | arcfide | I am not familiar with the applications out there, and I have given asunder a try, but apparently it has trouble producing MP3s without lame, which I cannot find in the package repositories. I found a backported version of lame, but I was wondering if there were a simpler approach? |
| 16:30.56 | Iridos | eating dinner, actually |
| 16:31.28 | arcfide | Unfortunately, I have not used Debian actively for years, and I don't remember all the ways to go about things. Can someone give me a recommendation on the right software to install? |
| 16:31.47 | arcfide | Basically, a graphical audio transcoder and cd ripper would be best. |
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| 16:34.22 | ksk | arcfide: i guess there will be lot of "ffmpeg" based tools - thus you cannot use the debian bundled ffmpeg afaik, cuz of this "free" software stuff (no disrespect ;) |
| 16:34.41 | ksk | i guess google will help you |
| 16:34.48 | cthuluh | arcfide: I heard ripperx is nice |
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| 16:35.01 | arcfide | cthuluh: Does it do normal audio transcoding as well? |
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| 16:35.14 | arcfide | ksk: I've been trying the search engines, and failing miserably. :-( |
| 16:35.18 | cthuluh | as in flac -> ogg ? I don't think so |
| 16:35.34 | cthuluh | but I didn't test it, so... just try it |
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| 16:36.11 | mersault | Is anyone using forked-daapd successfully with debian testing or squeeze? |
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| 16:36.54 | mersault | I've got both OSX Lion and Snow Leopard installs (both using iTunes 10.5.2, I believe) that can't see the forked-daapd share. |
| 16:36.55 | Iridos | dpkg, tell arcfide about dmm |
| 16:37.46 | jhutchins_wk | arcfide: handbrake might be of interest. I usually use ffmpeg from the command line. |
| 16:37.56 | jhutchins_wk | arcfide: What system do you use if not Debian? |
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| 16:38.45 | arcfide | Slackware64. |
| 16:38.59 | arcfide | jhutchins_wk: Hrm, handbrake... |
| 16:39.18 | arcfide | I don't see it in the stable package repository. |
| 16:39.40 | jhutchins_wk | arcfide: aptitude search ~dtranscode |
| 16:39.50 | jhutchins_wk | versions handbrake |
| 16:39.56 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions handbrake |
| 16:39.56 | judd | No package named 'handbrake' was found in i386. |
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| 16:40.05 | themill | ,v handbrake-gtk |
| 16:40.07 | judd | Package: handbrake-gtk on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 0.9.3-0.1; squeeze-multimedia: 0.9.5-0.1; sid-multimedia: 0.9.5-0.9; wheezy-multimedia: 0.9.5-0.9 |
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| 16:41.08 | jair | does anyone uses ISPConfig solution in debian squeeze? or does anyone knows the irc channel for it? |
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| 16:43.00 | Some_Person | Iridos: I've been playing around in Synaptic and managed to get to here: http://paste.debian.net/152447/ |
| 16:43.31 | arcfide | where does squeeze-multimedia come from? |
| 16:43.38 | arcfide | I don't see that in the Debian package manager listing. |
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| 16:43.59 | arcfide | Also, I need PowerPC, but I assume that won't be a problem. |
| 16:44.20 | Some_Person | Iridos: Should I be ok without those packages? |
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| 16:46.32 | Iridos | Some_Person, possibly... see what I said above about pulling stuff in after you finish upgrading |
| 16:46.43 | Some_Person | Iridos: pulling stuff in? |
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| 16:47.56 | Some_Person | Iridos: I'm just trying to resolve the broken packages at the moment. My sources.list has both testing and stable in it, so I guess I'll end up with some kind of weird hybrid of the two, but at least nothing will have dependency issues so it should be easier to go from there |
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| 16:48.04 | Iridos | <Iridos> Some_Person, [...] All needed libs are pulled in via dependencies anyway... just keep the list and try installing things that you notice as missing (because functieonality isn't there) after you finished the upgrade |
| 16:48.28 | Iridos | the list == list of removed packages |
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| 16:49.16 | Some_Person | Iridos: So should I go for this thing in synaptic? |
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| 16:49.35 | Some_Person | It's better than removing 549 packages like aptitude wanted to |
| 16:49.56 | Iridos | you can also ask aptitude for alternate solutions |
| 16:50.06 | Iridos | dunno... I never use synaptics |
| 16:50.32 | arcfide | Well, thanks for the help guys, I'll see what I can do. |
| 16:50.56 | Some_Person | Iridos: I basically let it resolve all the broken packages, then went back to set as many things to be removed to upgrade, reinstall, or remain held back instead |
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| 16:53.11 | Some_Person | Iridos: How do I ask aptitude for alternate solutions? |
| 16:53.24 | Iridos | it asks you if you accept this one.. just say "n" |
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| 16:53.44 | p3rror | hello |
| 16:53.58 | p3rror | i'm trying to install debian a server poweradge 2900 |
| 16:54.09 | Iridos | anyway, if you think it looks good, do it..... you can STILL do a fresh install |
| 16:54.35 | p3rror | i got an issue that is debian did not detect my ethernet card |
| 16:54.48 | p3rror | and that is a broadcom nextreme II |
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| 16:55.10 | dondelelcaro | p3rror: you need the firmware |
| 16:55.25 | dondelelcaro | p3rror: there is a cd that contains the firmware, or you can load it from a usb key or similar |
| 16:55.39 | p3rror | how can i do that ? |
| 16:55.45 | dondelelcaro | !tell p3rror -about installer firmware |
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| 16:57.05 | p3rror | dondelelcaro, during the installation it did not ask for firmware |
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| 16:57.40 | dondelelcaro | p3rror: it only asks about firmware in expert mode; it's an option in the menu |
| 16:58.02 | dondelelcaro | p3rror: but see what dpkg tells you. I have a few poweredge 2900s, and that's what you have to do. |
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| 16:58.49 | Some_Person | Iridos: well, it looks like it's trying to find a solution |
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| 16:59.33 | Some_Person | I've told it to "try harder" twice |
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| 16:59.50 | p3rror | dondelelcaro, where i'll find broadcom firmware |
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| 17:00.23 | dondelelcaro | p3rror: the firmware images have it. |
| 17:00.38 | p3rror | dondelelcaro, ? |
| 17:00.41 | dondelelcaro | p3rror: did you read what dpkg msg'ed you? |
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| 17:01.06 | p3rror | dondelelcaro, nop i only on configuration network phase |
| 17:01.16 | serafeim | Hallo to everybody |
| 17:01.20 | p3rror | dondelelcaro, may i switch to console mode |
| 17:01.28 | p3rror | dondelelcaro, and see what dpkg tell ? |
| 17:01.58 | dondelelcaro | p3rror: in IRC. |
| 17:01.59 | p3rror | dondelelcaro, oups i see it sorry |
| 17:02.13 | serafeim | How can I mute Mozilla so I can listen to the music? |
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| 17:02.40 | ROKO__ | hello |
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| 17:03.14 | ROKO__ | after installing gnome applets they aren't in gnome panel applets selection |
| 17:03.16 | babilen | serafeim: Which music do you want to listen to? Why is "Mozilla" (iceweasel?) playing music? |
| 17:03.17 | ROKO__ | what is missing |
| 17:03.19 | ROKO__ | ? |
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| 17:04.15 | Some_Person | Iridos: Maybe I'm just impatient, but it doesn't look like this is getting anywhere |
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| 17:05.48 | serafeim | babilen: I have almost 20tabs open in Iceweasel and I can't find witch web-page playbacks music. I want to listen music from another programme (Clementine) |
| 17:06.15 | valerie | I installed Debian Wheezy daily - everything went right - except that when I boot after the GRUB - I got a scrambled frozen screen - that is with both - normal & recovery mode - I just need to go to a CLI - so I can properly install ATI - but How can I get there since the screen is messed - any help how to get in ? |
| 17:07.11 | obiwahn | redownload the netinst and check the checksums |
| 17:07.34 | gimpy468 | I'm looking to build a router based on Debian but I don't know where to start with also making it a wireless AP. What software in the repos would do this on a headless system? Also, anyone know a good USB wifi adapter that can do this? |
| 17:07.48 | obiwahn | or if there is another kernel version on the disk try that |
| 17:07.53 | babilen | serafeim: hehe - Are you using pulseaudio? If so run "pavucontrol" and mute "ALSA plug-in ..." or something like this. -- I would, however, recommend to find the culprit and to never visit that website again. |
| 17:08.56 | babilen | valerie: Use the stable *installer* and first install squeeze and take it from there. I also wouldn't recommend to use the stable installer to install wheezy directly, but it might be worth a try. |
| 17:08.57 | obiwahn | gimpy468: you want dhcp3 hostapd and some iptable rules |
| 17:09.09 | obiwahn | maybe bind |
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| 17:09.45 | gimpy468 | obiwahn: dhcp3, iptables, and bind I knew about. hostapd is new to me. I'm also thinking of using fwbuilder. |
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| 17:10.33 | obiwahn | fw builder sounds good i hear some friend talking about it ... guess it saves you the trouble of leraning iptables |
| 17:10.39 | jkyle_ | does the debian installer set any useful environment variables for scripts run as early or late_commands? |
| 17:10.50 | obiwahn | s/hear/heared/ |
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| 17:11.11 | obiwahn | jkyle_: clarify |
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| 17:11.57 | valerie | babilen: actually I have had wheezy in this laptop -I dist-upgrade and just removed the fglrx-driver and fglrx-controler but I forgot to type grub2-upgrade - so the screen was scrambled - so it may not be with installer |
| 17:12.04 | jkyle | obiwahn: one I could think of that would be very useful, is the root of the url host set by url= |
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| 17:12.44 | obiwahn | jkyle: i am still not with you |
| 17:12.55 | obiwahn | content of /etc/hostname?! |
| 17:13.28 | jkyle | obiwahn: I'm speaking of the debian isntaller environment, for netinstalls, pxe boots, etc |
| 17:13.30 | serafeim | babilen: I installed the PulseAudio Volume Control from the Software centre. Then typed pavucontrol on the terminal and a message popped up warning "Connection failed: Connection refused" |
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| 17:14.23 | babilen | serafeim: Are you using pulseaudio? Does "pgrep pulseaudio" return a PID? |
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| 17:15.28 | serafeim | babilen: I don't know what I am using. I haven't changed something. Giving pgrep pulseaudio on the Terminal has no result |
| 17:16.21 | babilen | serafeim: You are not using pulseaudio in that case and it is not surprising that pavucontrol can not connect to it. I am not aware of a method to change the volume on a per-application basis with ALSA so you have to find the website in question. |
| 17:16.30 | obiwahn | sorry jkyle :( i haven't used the installer for some time now and was never in need of that feature. |
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| 17:17.11 | serafeim | babilen: How can I use pulseaudio? |
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| 17:17.19 | jonwazz | hey guys when you are at grub |
| 17:17.26 | jonwazz | and at the grub paras |
| 17:17.35 | jonwazz | how do you tell grub to just reboot right away not load kernel |
| 17:18.17 | ksk | ctrl+alt+entf? :P |
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| 17:18.19 | babilen | serafeim: You would install it -- Note that you also need something like http://paste.debian.net/152454/ in /etc/asound.conf after the installation for flash to behave as expected. |
| 17:18.26 | ksk | err s/entf/del |
| 17:18.41 | babilen | !tell serafeim -about pulseaudio |
| 17:19.07 | jonwazz | entf? |
| 17:19.10 | jonwazz | enter f? |
| 17:19.46 | jonwazz | http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/4504/kvm2.png |
| 17:19.48 | babilen | serafeim: The list of packages mentioned in http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 looks a bit over the top. I would start with "aptitude install pulseaudio pavucontrol" and take it from there. |
| 17:19.54 | p3rror | !tell p3rror -about firmware |
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| 17:21.07 | obiwahn | jkyle: do i understand that you feed the url as kernel parameter? |
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| 17:25.53 | jonwazz | at boot guys kernel panic |
| 17:26.00 | jonwazz | what are keybord keys to restart the server? |
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| 17:26.10 | jonwazz | cuz alt + print_screen + b |
| 17:26.13 | jonwazz | or r doesnt work |
| 17:26.22 | jonwazz | ctrl +c or z doesnt break either |
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| 17:34.44 | serafeim1 | babilen: thank you! I will check it out although i find it difficult |
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| 17:35.34 | qdb | hello. i have lcd monitor with fluorescent lamp backlight, so , energy saving with black color is none or very little, so i would like white terminal /console |
| 17:36.45 | qdb | i would like easy way to select preconfigured color settings. and if not any ready solution, i ll search how to configure colors |
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| 17:45.10 | Some_Person | I'm stuck here now: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libwmf0.2-7_0.2.8.4-10_amd64.deb (--unpack): there is no script in the new version of the package - giving up |
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| 17:48.40 | qdb | hello. i have white background in gui bash but black background in console bash. i want to set white also in console |
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| 17:50.52 | jhutchins_wk | qdb: There is no need to repeat your question until it has at least scrolled off the screen. |
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| 17:51.09 | jhutchins_wk | qdb: Are you working on a bare console, or on an xconsole? |
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| 17:52.18 | qdb | jhutchins_wk, i think it is "bare". and in my urc view paeg is scrolled up by enters and outs |
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| 17:53.33 | gimpy468 | Does the Debian GUI installer have the ability to shink a Windows partition? |
| 17:53.52 | babilen | gimpy468: It does |
| 17:53.59 | Thiago_Magalhaes | está away; Trampoo |
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| 17:54.24 | babilen | Thiago_Magalhaes: Please turn that off |
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| 17:56.04 | tuv | every half hour or so, i see intermittent disk activity (every 2-5 seconds, for about a minute or two). iotop points to jdb2/sda1. i notice this only while mplayer is playing something, as video would pause at the said intervals (every 5 seconds, for a minute or two, every about half hour). vlc plays fine (no pauses). why is jdb2 causing these interruptions? and why is mplayer the only thing affected by it? |
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| 17:56.26 | Thiago_Magalhaes | oks.. sorry |
| 17:56.47 | babilen | Thiago_Magalhaes: no problem -- just wanted to make you aware of it. Thank you! |
| 17:57.15 | tuv | clarification: pauses occur for a second or two, every 5-10 seconds, for a minute or two, every half hour or so. does that make since? |
| 17:58.00 | radio23 | I'm not exactly sure where to start: I can no longer see Japanese characters (EUC-JP) on my Debian that I used to see, but I can see them fine on my Ubuntu. Could an update have done that? I haven't changed any locale.gen files or anything. |
| 17:58.05 | jhutchins_wk | qdb: Check out the setterm command. I believe this works: setterm -background white -foreground black -store |
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| 17:58.14 | babilen | tuv: Is this a laptop and does it happen only when your charger is not connected? |
| 17:58.30 | qdb | jhutchins_wk, thank you |
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| 17:59.54 | babilen | radio23: Is this true for all Japanese characters, a subset of them (e.g. just kanji) or specific to EUC-JP encoded ones? Do you have Japanese/CJK fonts installed? (e.g. ttf-kochi-*) |
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| 18:00.22 | qdb | it works now... |
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| 18:00.58 | jhutchins_wk | xlnt. |
| 18:01.07 | jhutchins_wk | Run that in a startup script or bashrc |
| 18:01.36 | qdb | i cannot unrar a file, wuth unrar-free, in file roller and with terminal, can list files, but 2 of 3 fiels are lost |
| 18:01.48 | qdb | if i unrar them |
| 18:02.00 | radio23 | babilen: Subject to all EUC-JP ones (both kanji and hiragana/katakana). I don't know if I ever had them installed but what baffles me is that they worked on this Debian machine until rather recently and the only thing that would have done a drastic enough change, in my mind, would have been the regular updates as I only usually install apache and other things on this machine for testing. |
| 18:02.06 | qdb | when i list i see incorrect file names, incorrectly decoded |
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| 18:02.22 | radio23 | babilen: So basically I see EUC-JP as squares with tiny characters in them in my browser and on IRC etc. |
| 18:02.34 | radio23 | looks again for ttf-kochi |
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| 18:03.57 | babilen | radio23: Which Debian release do you use? It might be that you somehow removed euc-jp specific fonts -- I do not speak/read/write Japanese and have more experience with Mandarin, but if Unicode encoded texts work fine it is quite likely a font related problem. |
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| 18:05.08 | radio23 | babilen: So strange! I know it worked before and it's making me barmy that I can't figure out what happened. I guess I will just have to reinstall the ttf-kochi-* font. |
| 18:05.16 | jhutchins_wk | qdb: Sounds like a corrupt'/incomplete rar. |
| 18:05.41 | qdb | jhutchins_wk, problrm with encoding is well known |
| 18:05.57 | babilen | radio23: And I've given you bad advice -- Investigating closer I see that ttf-kochi- fonts have been deprecated in favour of fonts-ipafont-mincho and fonts-ipafont-gothic |
| 18:06.04 | qdb | jhutchins_wk, i will give link but it is near 78 mb file |
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| 18:06.34 | jhutchins_wk | qdb: I have no interest in the link/. |
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| 18:07.26 | radio23 | babilen: Oh, blimey. :o |
| 18:07.43 | babilen | radio23: /me tired -- those fonts are only in wheezy/sid -- I'll take a little break and will ping you later. I would try installing different font packages. If you haven't fixed it when I'm back you might want to upload a sample file and I can check it. |
| 18:07.47 | lorenzosu | Hi all I can connect ok to wifi router which is also AP but then I cannot connect to internet not even ping to router any idea? |
| 18:07.56 | babilen | radio23: blimey indeed :D |
| 18:08.13 | qdb | http://letitbit.net/download/54617.57a866b291941fa8b8d9d9c2e491/arab-rus-dic-big.rar.html |
| 18:08.43 | radio23 | babilen: Thanks again for your help. I am pretty knackered myself. :) Get some sleep, mate! |
| 18:08.51 | qdb | how to open this in debian )) |
| 18:08.54 | radio23 | babilen: I'll see what happens and let you know, thanks again. =) |
| 18:08.59 | babilen | ,v fonts-ipafont |
| 18:09.00 | judd | Package: fonts-ipafont on i386 -- sid: 00303-5; wheezy: 00303-5 |
| 18:09.09 | babilen | ,v fonts-vlgothic |
| 18:09.10 | judd | Package: fonts-vlgothic on i386 -- sid: 20111122-1; wheezy: 20111122-1 |
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| 18:09.41 | jhutchins_wk | qdb: For more info (probably more than you'll ever want on console configuration see http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Text-Terminal-HOWTO.html |
| 18:09.44 | babilen | radio23: Ok, I was going to recommend http://wiki.debian.org/JapaneseEnvironmentE to you but it seems to have information that is rather tailored towards wheezy/sid than squeeze |
| 18:09.58 | qdb | i would install non free but i am afraid will be same problem |
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| 18:10.09 | serxoz | hi |
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| 18:10.21 | radio23 | babilen: Ah, yeah, I think I found that and got nervous when I saw it wasn't for squeeze. |
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| 18:10.38 | obiwahn | hi |
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| 18:10.49 | radio23 | babilen: Sadly I'm still a bit of a newbie here so this has been quite an adventure. |
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| 18:10.57 | efazati | how find what music play in my debian right now? |
| 18:12.39 | zykotick9 | efazati: if you installed Gnome you probably have Totem that should be able to play music files |
| 18:12.58 | LV-426 | hi guys, seems like 'update-rc.d ntpdate remove' doesn't go all the way to disable ntpdate, as /etc/network/if-up.d/ntpdate still executes - how do I disable it as well ? |
| 18:13.39 | valdyn | LV-426: by removing it |
| 18:13.54 | Some_Person | lol, in this broken state, one thing actually works better on my system than it did before: SuperTuxKart! |
| 18:14.05 | babilen | radio23: The ttf-kochi-* fonts seem to be OK for squeeze. You might also want to install xfonts-intl-japanese -- but there are plenty of japanese fonts in Debian and I just don't know which are the best. For chinese I would recommend the arphic and wenquan (ttf-wqy-*) ones, but that doesn't really help you unless you decide to forget about Japanese and learn Chinese ;) |
| 18:14.13 | valdyn | LV-426: that update-rc.d move is incomplete as it gets back in as soon as the package gets an update |
| 18:14.30 | jhutchins_wk | qdb: It is very unlikely to be a software failure, it is bad input. |
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| 18:15.19 | radio23 | babilen: Haha, yeah, I sadly forgot all my Cantonese decades ago. Thanks again for your help, bloody amazing as usual. =) |
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| 18:16.38 | LV-426 | valdyn, humm well experience shows that removing package files usually bites you when you decide to remove the package, I was hoping for a better approach... |
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| 18:16.48 | babilen | radio23: Could you upload a file somewhere that you cannot display? I'll play with it later on my box and within a squeeze virtual machine. |
| 18:16.56 | valdyn | LV-426: this is a config file, its treated special |
| 18:17.11 | valdyn | LV-426: removing it means it stays gone on upgrades |
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| 18:17.46 | valdyn | LV-426: and when an upgrade provides a new version of just that file, you get prompted what to do |
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| 18:18.15 | valdyn | LV-426: so all in all debian is *designed* for this problem to be solved by moving the package away |
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| 18:18.53 | efazati | zykotick9, no i use dwm and other things ... no my question is which music played with totem or banshee or anything else ... i have application with python and i want show what currently play :D |
| 18:19.01 | radio23 | babilen: It seems the ttf instals you suggested -worked-. :O |
| 18:19.23 | radio23 | babilen: When I'm back in England I'm buying you a whole evening of pints and the best curry in town. |
| 18:19.38 | radio23 | That was making me mental. |
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| 18:20.13 | babilen | radio23: YES! :) /me dances |
| 18:20.30 | radio23 | :D |
| 18:20.34 | radio23 | ♥ |
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| 18:22.30 | qdb | jhutchins_wk, http://paste2.org/p/1870492 |
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| 18:22.50 | jonwazz | anyone here ever did |
| 18:22.53 | jonwazz | linux-rescue? |
| 18:22.55 | jonwazz | i need some help |
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| 18:24.13 | efazati | how find which music played with totem or banshee or anything else ... i have application with python and i want show what currently play :D |
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| 18:27.40 | LV-426 | valdyn, ok, point taken - I would prefer to brake a link between if-up.d.enabled to if-up.d.available, but perhaps that's too complicated. btw, what's your solution to upgrade resistant init.d disabling ? |
| 18:27.41 | jhutchins_wk | jonwazz: Probably better if you tell us the actual problem. |
| 18:28.05 | jonwazz | well it seems when kernel updated, my system broke |
| 18:28.11 | berserkr | well |
| 18:28.23 | jonwazz | im on free kvm for 3 hours, and i dont wanna pay $90 / hour for remote hands |
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| 18:28.29 | jhutchins_wk | qdb: Looks like it's just a matter of your console encoding not matchng the encoding in the rar. |
| 18:28.31 | jonwazz | so i wanna do this right, kinda want someone to hold my hand lol |
| 18:28.54 | arietis | is there any way to remove unused packages with apt-get? |
| 18:28.59 | jhutchins_wk | jonwazz: Just boot to the old kernel. |
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| 18:29.07 | jonwazz | i attempted that |
| 18:29.12 | arietis | or to check which packages i never use |
| 18:29.25 | qdb | jhutchins_wk, encoding do not match , and i cannot extract that files |
| 18:29.27 | jonwazz | http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/4504/kvm2.png |
| 18:29.31 | jonwazz | thats what it gives me jhutchins |
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| 18:38.28 | setuid | I just installed Debian testing the other day to recover from a bad system problem with a failed kernel, and it looks like the -only- kernel it supports is 3.1.0-1. Is there no way to get a 2.6 kernel onto Debian anymore? |
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| 18:38.38 | setuid | I need a 2.6 kernel so I can get VMware Server 2.0.2 working again |
| 18:38.59 | GNU\colossus | setuid, so install Debian Stable. |
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| 18:39.10 | GNU\colossus | or better yet, trash that piece of crap that VMWare Server is. |
| 18:39.17 | GNU\colossus | because it patently, royally sucks. |
| 18:39.28 | setuid | GNU\colossus, And replace it with what? VirtualBox is a non-starter. |
| 18:39.43 | GNU\colossus | QEMU/KVM |
| 18:39.49 | setuid | What other free solutions exist for server-based, headless virtualization that supports native VMDK images? |
| 18:39.51 | jhutchins_wk | qdb: I'm afraid I don't know much about how filesystems handle filename encoding. |
| 18:39.51 | GNU\colossus | VirtualBox for sure is better than vmware server 2.x |
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| 18:40.13 | setuid | GNU\colossus, Not if you want to run standard Linux-based guest appliances, no it isn't. |
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| 18:40.22 | jhutchins_wk | qdb: I would guess that you need to either enable cryllic or arabic fonts on your system. |
| 18:40.23 | setuid | It's getting better, but it's got a long, loooong way to go |
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| 18:40.47 | qdb | jhutchins_wk, i do not think so |
| 18:41.07 | qdb | even if yes, you wanted to say not fonts, but encoding |
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| 18:41.34 | qdb | because encoding is much more important |
| 18:41.35 | setuid | adds 'stable' entries to sources.list and tries that |
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| 18:43.31 | babilen | setuid: Don't mix releases! |
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| 18:44.06 | setuid | babilen, been doing it for 10+ years with Debian, no worries. |
| 18:44.16 | setuid | I need the kernels, which have been stripped from wheezy |
| 18:44.31 | setuid | 'testing' != unstable |
| 18:44.46 | jhutchins_wk | jonwazz: According to your screenshot, you haven't updated your kernel in quite a while. |
| 18:44.50 | jhutchins_wk | ,kernels |
| 18:44.51 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.8-2); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.8-2); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-39squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 18:45.21 | jhutchins_wk | jonwazz: Are you perhaps running etch? |
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| 18:45.38 | jonwazz | its cent os 5.7 |
| 18:45.43 | jonwazz | running kvm server |
| 18:46.30 | jhutchins_wk | jonwazz: There is no possible way any advice we give you here will do anything but make a mess of your system. Please ask in the appropriate centos support channel. |
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| 18:46.59 | jhutchins_wk | jonwazz: In any case, unless you manually removed an older kernel, there would be more than one listed. CentOS does not patch kernels, it adds new ones. |
| 18:47.03 | jonwazz | ya the centos channel requires me to regieter and i did, but it didnt send me a email |
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| 18:47.11 | jonwazz | epic fail |
| 18:47.31 | jhutchins_wk | jonwazz: /msg nickserv register and ask further questions in #freenode |
| 18:47.42 | jonwazz | i did ! |
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| 18:47.46 | jonwazz | it said it registered |
| 18:47.50 | jonwazz | i didnt get a dam email |
| 18:48.02 | jhutchins_wk | jonwazz: We are offtopic here. |
| 18:48.25 | jonwazz | NickServ- You are already logged in as jonwazz. |
| 18:48.27 | jonwazz | epic fail? |
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| 18:48.42 | jhutchins_wk | No further response in this channel. |
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| 18:52.05 | tuv | babilen: it is a laptop indeed, and it does happen when the charger *is* connected |
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| 18:52.40 | setuid | How do I know which kernel to set as the default boot now with this new version of grub? |
| 18:52.59 | setuid | There's an /etc/grub.d/ dir and an /etc/default/grub, neither of which list the kernels so I can figure it out |
| 18:53.16 | setuid | This is a remote, headless box, so I have to get this right |
| 18:53.18 | babilen | tuv: Ok, intuition was hdd spindown triggered by laptop-mode/hdparm (see /etc/laptop-mode/laptop-mode.conf for current configuration) but it might be something completely different. |
| 18:53.23 | jhutchins_wk | setuid: You set it in /etc/default/grub |
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| 18:53.36 | jhutchins_wk | setuid: You then run update_grub to apply it. |
| 18:53.44 | setuid | "set it", how? |
| 18:53.52 | jhutchins_wk | setuid: Edit the file. |
| 18:54.04 | jhutchins_wk | setuid: Read the helpful comments. |
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| 18:54.41 | setuid | jhutchins_wk, No kidding, but... how do I know which kernel name to put in there, in which order, and how to set it as immutable? Previous versions had a /boot/grub/menu.lst, which I could look at the bottom and count the kernels to get the right index to boot from. |
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| 18:55.26 | jhutchins_wk | setuid: ls -l /boot |
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| 18:55.56 | jhutchins_wk | setuid: I agree, it's more awkward. WE need a pre-processor that will display the menu without having to reboot. |
| 18:56.09 | setuid | jhutchins_wk, I think you're missing my point enitrely. Let's say I have 30 kernels in /boot/. How do I know which order grub puts those in, so I can then make sure I set the right GRUB_DEFAULT value automatically? |
| 18:56.27 | setuid | Some of those will be indexed as rescue entries, some not, etc. |
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| 18:57.36 | Partempt | I'm running squeeze on a Thinkpad T60. Is there a way to have an onscreen display of volume level when I use the volume buttons? |
| 18:57.37 | zykotick9 | setuid: (not sure, but) you might find /boot/grub/grub.cfg helpful in determining numbering (maybe not though) good luck. |
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| 18:59.29 | ushaft | hi, i upgraded my php5 and its modules. but the cgi programs still want to access the old module locations which no longer exist. any help please ? |
| 18:59.31 | ushaft | debian squeeze |
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| 19:00.35 | setuid | Looks like this is a non-starter too, the kernels shipping with stable don't work with VMware Server either |
| 19:00.36 | setuid | argh |
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| 19:01.34 | themill | ushaft: it would be handy if you could fill in some more of the background -- you have mod_php5 working fine and using the squeeze versions but also have a php5-cgi installation that seems to be running the lenny version still (somehow). |
| 19:01.48 | ushaft | themill, yes |
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| 19:02.04 | mjt | um, that's pretty ;) |
| 19:02.11 | ushaft | thanks themill :) |
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| 19:02.40 | themill | ushaft: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy php5-cgi"? |
| 19:03.23 | ushaft | themill, http://pastebin.com/9iB5UaGe |
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| 19:05.19 | themill | ushaft: do you have debsums installed? the output of "debsums php5-cgi" might be interesting. |
| 19:05.37 | ushaft | no, it is not installed |
| 19:06.03 | themill | no harm in installing it ;) |
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| 19:07.17 | ushaft | themill, debsums gave OK for all files when i ran debsums php5-cgi |
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| 19:07.30 | themill | grumph |
| 19:07.45 | setuid | Where does "/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor" come from? |
| 19:07.53 | setuid | What interface provides that? |
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| 19:10.06 | jhutchins_wk | ushaft: phpinfo might help. |
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| 19:10.32 | themill | (of the CGI version) |
| 19:10.57 | ushaft | jhutchins_wk, should i pastebin it? themill |
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| 19:11.03 | themill | please |
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| 19:16.17 | ushaft | themill, jhutchins_wk http://pastebin.com/r7fGxQMS |
| 19:17.21 | ushaft | themill, jhutchins_wk the extension_dir setting is manually set in php.ini, otherwise it tried to read a directory starting with 2006 |
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| 19:19.44 | ushaft | themill, jhutchins_wk i restarted the system, but it still shows the old version :( |
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| 19:23.33 | ironcamel | anyone here run linux mint debian? or is there a different irc room for that. |
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| 19:25.02 | Iridos | dpkg, mint |
| 19:25.02 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 19:25.55 | Veseoj | Hi guys - I have Debian installed on my netbook and am using Logitech USB speakers. They are working but all volume controls (physical and fn) are not working. I can only change by going to Sound --> PCM. |
| 19:26.29 | ironcamel | Iridos: Linux Mint Debian Edition is not Debian? |
| 19:27.18 | Iridos | no... only Debian is Debian. |
| 19:27.51 | Veseoj | ironcamel: Linux Mint is a different distro |
| 19:28.12 | lasers | ironcamel: They took something beautiful and turn it into a pile of crap. ;( |
| 19:28.23 | Veseoj | Can anyone assist me with me volume control issue? |
| 19:28.32 | koko_ | hi |
| 19:28.50 | koko_ | i install hotspot on squeeze |
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| 19:29.00 | koko_ | and i have proble with radius server |
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| 19:29.08 | Some_Person | success! I'm running GNOME 3 in wheezy successfully |
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| 19:29.13 | Veseoj | Hi guys - I have Debian installed on my netbook and am using Logitech USB speakers. They are working but all volume controls (physical and fn) are not working. I can only change by going to Sound --> PCM. Anyone have any ideas? |
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| 19:29.55 | Platum | I have installed debian 5, but I cannot download any applications through aptitude/apt. is this because debian 5 is no longer supported or is there a way I can make it work? |
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| 19:31.01 | ksk | it is supported *until feb |
| 19:31.11 | ksk | so your mistake is somewhere else |
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| 19:31.30 | Platum | where could I find a proper sources.list? |
| 19:33.44 | Platum | I suspect there might be something wrong with the one I have currently |
| 19:33.45 | Iridos | Platum, just write one, nothing to it. /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 19:33.57 | Iridos | Platum, pastebin it for us, then |
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| 19:34.42 | Iridos | + the error you get when installs fail |
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| 19:37.20 | Platum | I need to think of a way to copy the data from my virtual machine |
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| 19:38.05 | Iridos | dpkg, pastebinit |
| 19:38.05 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <nopaste>. |
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| 19:39.46 | GorillaPatch | I have a question concerning slow or failing DNS queries. |
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| 19:41.05 | babilen | GorillaPatch: Investigate what works with software such as calibre |
| 19:41.10 | Platum | Iridos: sounds good. unfortunately aptitude/apt is broken and I do not have it installed |
| 19:41.13 | babilen | ,info calibre |
| 19:41.14 | judd | Package calibre (text, extra) in squeeze/i386: e-book converter and library management. Version: 0.7.7+dfsg-1squeeze1; Size: 7733.2k; Installed: 45728k; Homepage: http://calibre.kovidgoyal.net/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/calibre |
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| 19:41.31 | GorillaPatch | I have a vanilla squeeze computer which has problems with its DNS lookups. The DNS servers are set using DHCP. |
| 19:41.42 | Platum | let me just use an USB stick |
| 19:41.50 | babilen | GorillaPatch: What kind of problems? |
| 19:42.00 | GorillaPatch | the file /etc/resolv.conf looks ok. getent hosts <hostname> works but is slow |
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| 19:42.17 | merlin1991 | I want to set up a mailserver on my squeeze server, which of the packages to use? or even better does someone have a link to a current howto for mailserver + some anti spam stuff? |
| 19:42.24 | GorillaPatch | I thought it may be a wrongly configured ipv6 stack, so I disabled it using sysctl |
| 19:42.31 | babilen | GorillaPatch: And forgive me about the ereader/calibre suggestion (ECHAN/ENICK) |
| 19:42.45 | GorillaPatch | babilen: never mind. |
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| 19:43.57 | GorillaPatch | I need some kind of strategy what to do. a Windows machine in the same network is configured like the linux box concerning DNS |
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| 19:44.32 | GorillaPatch | funny is that sometimes DNS lookups just fail, and sometimes it just takes long (10 s or more). |
| 19:45.19 | valerie | hi guys, would anyone know how to find files created during certain period of time using 'find' command? |
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| 19:45.46 | GorillaPatch | valerie: take a look at ctime |
| 19:45.49 | jordanm | valerie: *nix filesystems do not store a creation time |
| 19:45.55 | jordanm | GorillaPatch: that's not what ctime is |
| 19:46.03 | GorillaPatch | jordanm: ups |
| 19:46.14 | GorillaPatch | jordanm: it is the last time of saving, right? |
| 19:46.15 | jordanm | ctime is "changed time" |
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| 19:46.40 | GorillaPatch | jordanm: Thanks. Thought it would be creation time. |
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| 19:47.36 | jordanm | GorillaPatch: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stat_(Unix)#ctime |
| 19:48.09 | GorillaPatch | jordanm: the first line says it all |
| 19:48.18 | GorillaPatch | jordanm: thanks for the background info |
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| 19:49.18 | Circuitsoft | I'm having issues with libvirt. Anyone have debugging experience? |
| 19:49.29 | Circuitsoft | qemuMonitorIORead:470 : Unable to read from monitor: Connection reset by peer |
| 19:49.48 | Circuitsoft | This is new. Googling for qemuMonitorIORead brings up bugs from many months ago. |
| 19:50.01 | GorillaPatch | Hmm, any advice for troubleshooting my DNS problems? |
| 19:50.31 | Circuitsoft | This would be the first serious problem I've had; I've been running sid for three years. |
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| 19:57.35 | mitikoman | I use Laptop HP pavilion DM1 ... in opensuse can enable two finger scrolling . but debian disabled this Option ! |
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| 19:57.42 | mitikoman | How can enable this ? |
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| 20:03.37 | Pseudoephedrine | How the hell do i exit VIM editor? |
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| 20:04.46 | jordanm | Pseudoephedrine: :q - quit; :x - write+quit; :q! - quite and don't save |
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| 20:05.34 | Pseudoephedrine | im trying that but its not working? |
| 20:05.40 | Pseudoephedrine | it just writed it to the file |
| 20:05.51 | jordanm | Pseudoephedrine: hit ESC to enter command mode |
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| 20:06.21 | babilen | Pseudoephedrine: You might want to run "vimtutor" and watch http://www.derekwyatt.org/vim/vim-tutorial-videos/vim-novice-tutorial-videos/ -- You might not be in normal mode. Try hitting ESC a couple of times and then ":q!<CR>" (<CR> is enter) |
| 20:06.23 | Pseudoephedrine | jordanm: phew, thank you haha |
| 20:06.40 | Pseudoephedrine | babilen: nah i just stick to nano ;) |
| 20:06.46 | jordanm | !emacs |
| 20:06.47 | dpkg | Emacs is the extensible macro editor that is already quite extensively extended. A popular editor choice with major and minor modes for almost every conceivable language and task. High priests of emacs have even been known to use emacs as their shell, and sometimes have whole systems with init=/usr/bin/emacs. [Escape Meta Alt Control Shift] http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs http://emacswiki.org/ #emacs on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 20:07.38 | babilen | Or that ^^^ |
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| 20:08.05 | babilen | recommends Emacs with evil though (http://emacswiki.org/emacs/Evil) |
| 20:08.08 | babilen | anyway |
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| 20:18.12 | unzip | hi |
| 20:19.33 | unzip | i am currently installing debian stable via unetbootin on a thinkpad x31. when "searching for partitions" the installation freezes at 50 %. ps shows parted is running. hd led is off. what can i do? |
| 20:19.39 | Pseudoephedrine | Getting this error when trying to install Supybot http://paste.pound-python.org/show/16206/ |
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| 20:24.02 | ompaul | unzip: do you want to install debian on the hard drive? |
| 20:24.15 | unzip | ompaul, yes |
| 20:24.26 | ompaul | unzip: do you care about anything else on that machine? |
| 20:24.35 | unzip | ompaul, no |
| 20:24.57 | ompaul | unzip: have you got (or got access to) another linux box and a usb stick? |
| 20:25.04 | unzip | ompaul, yes |
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| 20:27.20 | ompaul | unzip: get your netinstall cd and use advanced to get a full view of available (default but not what you have to stick with - desktop installs) (assuming that is what you want to do - else pick cd 1 and do gnome ) and do cat debian-6.0.3..iso > /dev/sdWHATEVER your stick is, pop that in the box and tell it to boot from the usb also make sure you are wired to the internet for the install |
| 20:27.34 | unzip | ompaul, i have no cd rom :l |
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| 20:28.02 | unzip | ah,you mean on the other machine |
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| 20:28.17 | ompaul | unzip: note .... download the debian....iso and cat that image directly to the usbstick sdb c d whatever it is |
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| 20:28.28 | unzip | ok |
| 20:29.01 | unzip | ompaul, the mini.iso from http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ ? |
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| 20:31.16 | ompaul | not mini netinstall |
| 20:31.19 | ompaul | netinst |
| 20:31.21 | zykotick9 | jordanm: thanks, i didn't know about :x - it's gonna save me one character each time over my previous :wq |
| 20:31.36 | ompaul | unzip: I'll get you a fast link |
| 20:31.43 | ompaul | and the right cd :P) |
| 20:31.47 | ompaul | :) no P |
| 20:31.47 | unzip | ompaul, zcat the boot.img from http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ ? |
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| 20:33.11 | lighthammer | lo all - question: i Need to resize my root partition without loosing data - does anyone have the correct command syntax for this? |
| 20:33.16 | belak51 | I'm having some issues with my ssh server... I want to limit a certain group to an sftp jail, but only if they're not in another group as well... how would I do this? |
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| 20:33.58 | ompaul | unzip: do exactly what I said http://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/ftp.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-i386-netinst.iso cat debian-...iso > /dev/sda/b/c/d/whatever not sdb2 or anything |
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| 20:34.28 | unzip | ompaul, ok, thx |
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| 20:35.43 | Some_Person | I'm pretty sure this is not how GNOME 3 is supposed to look: http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/4295/screenshotat20120116140.png |
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| 20:36.17 | Some_Person | Some people in #ubuntu-offtopic suggested that the problem is the wrong mutter theme, but then I checked and mutter wasn't even installed |
| 20:36.37 | belak | Sorry, didn't mean to quit before... anyway, I need help limiting a user to sftp (and an sftp jail) if they're in one group, but not another... |
| 20:36.38 | ompaul | Some_Person: and it ain't debian either I guess? |
| 20:36.53 | unzip | ompaul, have i got to mount the usb stick? (i assume yes) |
| 20:37.04 | Some_Person | ompaul: It is debian |
| 20:37.10 | Some_Person | ompaul: This is debian testing |
| 20:37.10 | ompaul | unzip: no |
| 20:37.13 | unzip | oh |
| 20:37.51 | ompaul | unzip: cat image.iso > /dev/sdb or whatever your stick |
| 20:38.07 | Some_Person | Also, the color of my mouse cursor keeps changing |
| 20:38.10 | ompaul | unzip: and umount the stick is it automounted |
| 20:38.14 | Some_Person | Sometimes it's black, other times it's white |
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| 20:38.51 | ompaul | Some_Person: video drivers not happy? check the BTS because at a guess that is where you will find the answer |
| 20:38.56 | Alazare619 | WTB: help with setting x11vnc as a service via init.d using lightdm as my DM |
| 20:39.09 | Some_Person | ompaul: drivers? BTS? what? |
| 20:39.22 | ompaul | Some_Person: if you don't know what drivers are why are you running testing? |
| 20:39.40 | Some_Person | ompaul: I meant why do you think this has something to do with drivers? |
| 20:39.42 | ompaul | Some_Person: if you don't know what a BTS is how are you supposed to get yourself out of trouble when you get intin it? |
| 20:39.57 | ompaul | Some_Person: because flashing things mean a lack of stability |
| 20:40.03 | ompaul | (generally) |
| 20:40.50 | Some_Person | Ok, I googled "debian bts" and now I know what you're talking about |
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| 20:41.17 | Some_Person | (I knew about the bugtracker, just didn't know the acronym) |
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| 20:42.37 | unzip | ompaul, permission denied |
| 20:42.44 | ompaul | unzip: are you root? |
| 20:42.46 | unzip | ompaul, yes |
| 20:42.57 | unzip | sudo cat debian-6.0.3-i386-netinst.iso > /dev/sdg |
| 20:42.57 | unzip | bash: /dev/sdg: Keine Berechtigung |
| 20:43.24 | bwana147 | Hello. Is there a way to set my password to something non empty when it *is* empty in the first place (my account was create w/o passwd, and I logged in with a DSA key pair) |
| 20:43.27 | bwana147 | ? |
| 20:43.27 | ompaul | unzip: sudo -i ; fdisk -l << pastebin in paste.debian.net |
| 20:44.29 | unzip | ompaul, http://paste.debian.net/152504/ |
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| 20:46.16 | abrotman | unzip: and if you try it as root (not sudo) ? |
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| 20:47.09 | unzip | abrotman, ahh, that works |
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| 20:52.48 | milligan | I have a 30mbit connection that checks out fine. All my equipment at home. I have tried several mirrors, but the same results. Trying to install with debian netinstall, 64bit. Im only getting like 1,5-2Mbps download speed.. and it's not stable at all. What could be causing this ? |
| 20:53.16 | milligan | err.. all my equipment at home is fine* |
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| 20:54.04 | Coweater | not stable meaning the connections drop? |
| 20:54.20 | ironcamel | lasers: the most compelling reason i chose LMDE over debian (i switched from ubuntu) was that it has rolling updates. no more headaches updating to new releases. |
| 20:54.33 | milligan | More like download speed varies quite a lot .. |
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| 20:54.47 | Coweater | sounds normal |
| 20:55.08 | unzip | ompaul, thank you, this image works. the unetbootin image seems to suck. |
| 20:55.10 | milligan | but not giving more than 200-300kb/sec can't be normal, can it ? |
| 20:55.18 | ompaul | unzip: enjoy it |
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| 20:55.32 | unzip | where do i find the menu entry for full disc encryption -> expert install? |
| 20:55.42 | Coweater | depends on server load, route, etc. |
| 20:55.57 | Alazare619 | i need some help setting x11vnc as a service via init.d whenever i try and update-rc.d x11vnc defaults it throws a loop saying rmlogin calls something that calls $all and that cant be true |
| 20:55.59 | Alazare619 | any ideas |
| 20:56.08 | lasers | ironcamel: "Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE) is a rolling distribution based on Debian Testing." From the horse's mouth. You could be on rolling release forever as long as your sources points to testing, not wheezy. |
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| 20:56.59 | milligan | hmm .. alright. :( |
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| 20:59.11 | lasers | ironcamel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_release -- Also, see full-rolling distributions such as Gentoo or Archlinux. It seems like LDME falls under the category of "optionally rolling" |
| 20:59.18 | lasers | ironcamel: [Note: Depending on one's definition, LMDE might or might not qualify as such since it uses a Debian base instead of Linux Mint's Ubuntu base, making them binary incompatible.] |
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| 20:59.53 | lasers | ironcamel: To each his own. Eh? I'm going to sleep. Goodnight. :) |
| 21:00.12 | ironcamel | lasers: goodnight :) |
| 21:00.12 | Alazare619 | any debian is optional rolling |
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| 21:00.17 | Alazare619 | as it has freeze states and rolling |
| 21:00.18 | ironcamel | Alazare619: what? |
| 21:00.27 | Alazare619 | for instance squeeze is frozen and release/stable is rolling |
| 21:00.36 | Alazare619 | wheezy is frozen testing is rolling |
| 21:01.16 | Alazare619 | you can technically make ubuntu lts rolling to but i wont go into detail of that |
| 21:01.16 | ironcamel | Alazare619: is it a good idea to run debian rolling in that manner? |
| 21:01.26 | Alazare619 | i run debian testing rolling |
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| 21:01.36 | ironcamel | ironmunk: it seems that LMDE has blessed the rolling thing |
| 21:01.37 | Alazare619 | netinstalled wheezy converted it over to rolling via sources list |
| 21:01.49 | ironcamel | Alazare619: ah, that sounds cool |
| 21:02.03 | Alazare619 | id recommend if your already on deb just convert your list |
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| 21:02.08 | Alazare619 | linuxmint in general is bloated and slow |
| 21:02.13 | no_gravity | Hello from Germany! How can I write a accent des gue on my keybord? I have the ´ sign, but how can i put it on top of a character? |
| 21:02.14 | ironcamel | Alazare619: i'm on LMDE :( |
| 21:02.32 | Alazare619 | even after removing most of the non required packages and or daemons its still noticeably slower then a netinstalled debian |
| 21:02.35 | ironcamel | Alazare619: how to convert my list? a sed command? |
| 21:02.40 | Alazare619 | even tho they use the live build scripts to make mint |
| 21:02.46 | Alazare619 | no |
| 21:02.47 | dondelelcaro | no_gravity: é; use the compose key |
| 21:02.55 | no_gravity | dondelelcaro: which one is the compose key? |
| 21:02.57 | dondelelcaro | no_gravity: so that's <compose> ' e |
| 21:03.08 | Alazare619 | just sudo nano/vim/whatever-other-editor-you-use /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:03.10 | dondelelcaro | no_gravity: depends on your key map; often it's one of the windows keys |
| 21:03.37 | Alazare619 | change all wheezy-squeeze-etc to stable-testing-experimental |
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| 21:03.54 | rypervenche | I would like to create an HFS+ partition on an external HDD for a Mac user. I have installed hfsprogs, however I am unsure which type of partition I should choose when using fdisk. Any ideas? |
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| 21:04.01 | no_gravity | dondelelcaro: when i press the window key, nothing happens |
| 21:04.05 | ironcamel | Alazare619: what will you do when they release the thing after wheezy? tell the truth :) |
| 21:04.12 | dondelelcaro | no_gravity: it's often refered to as the multikey or sometimes it's a blank keycap |
| 21:04.15 | unzip | thinkpad x31 has only a pentium m. will see how that works with dm-crypt... |
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| 21:04.20 | Alazare619 | for instance ftp.us.debian.org squeeze main contrib non-free to ftp.us.debian.org testing main contrib nonfree |
| 21:04.35 | Alazare619 | nothing :P |
| 21:04.43 | Alazare619 | i automatically upgrade to the newest |
| 21:04.45 | lasers | ironcamel: Alazare619 would be already way ahead if he stayed on testing/rolling. |
| 21:04.48 | Alazare619 | as im on a rolling release |
| 21:04.55 | ironcamel | Alazare619: that's what i wanted to hear |
| 21:05.01 | no_gravity | dondelelcaro: hmm.. i dont have a blank keycap |
| 21:05.06 | Alazare619 | <===has built his own distro |
| 21:05.12 | dondelelcaro | no_gravity: xmodmap -pk|grep Multi; will tell you which keycode it is, and xev can show you what all of the keys map to |
| 21:05.43 | Alazare619 | still cant figure out why i cant get x11vnc to run as a service via init.d |
| 21:05.46 | dondelelcaro | no_gravity: sometimes it's also the option key: I've remapped all of mine from such a long time ago that I've no clue what the default is anymore |
| 21:05.46 | Alazare619 | something has to be up... |
| 21:05.57 | no_gravity | dondelelcaro: xmodmap -pk|grep Multi 63 0xffaa (KP_Multiply)0x1008fe21 (XF86_ClearGrab)0xffaa (KP_Multiply)0x1008fe21 (XF86_ClearGrab) |
| 21:06.07 | no_gravity | noar: so its keycode 63? |
| 21:06.07 | ironcamel | Alazare619: so that update notification thingy shows up in the task bar every once in a while? and you are always updated to the latest testing branch? |
| 21:06.09 | Alazare619 | got an odd error some where im about to just reformatt and reinstall everything tho |
| 21:06.12 | no_gravity | dondelelcaro: so its keycode 63? |
| 21:06.19 | Alazare619 | never shows up for me |
| 21:06.24 | dondelelcaro | no_gravity: no, that's the keypad multiply |
| 21:06.28 | Alazare619 | first of all that notification thing is a mint only |
| 21:06.31 | ironcamel | ah |
| 21:06.31 | dondelelcaro | no_gravity: if that's all you see, it's not mapped to a key |
| 21:06.50 | Alazare619 | second of all i have a crontab for every 3 days aptitude upgrade |
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| 21:07.11 | ironcamel | Alazare619: what is your cron job? just aptitude upgrade? |
| 21:07.19 | Alazare619 | id have to check again |
| 21:07.23 | Alazare619 | im not on my server atm |
| 21:07.27 | Alazare619 | and to lazy to ssh into it |
| 21:07.29 | dondelelcaro | no_gravity: if you're using gnome, that can probably do it for you, otherwise pick a key that you want to use, use xev to figure out what keycode that key emits, then run xmodmap -e 'keycode nnn = multi_key' |
| 21:07.49 | ironcamel | Alazare619: is there any drawbacks to what you are doing? |
| 21:07.49 | dondelelcaro | s/multi_key/Multi_key/ |
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| 21:08.35 | ironcamel | Alazare619: i'm buying a new laptop soon. i may try your approach on it. |
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| 21:08.50 | ironcamel | i want to get one from system76.com ... they come with ubuntu pre-installed |
| 21:09.02 | lasers | ironcamel: If you want notifications on new packages on Debian, try update-notifier |
| 21:09.09 | ironcamel | so i feel like the laptops should work well with a debian distro |
| 21:09.30 | ironcamel | lasers: i can deal with a cronjob, seems better :) |
| 21:09.35 | Alazare619 | * * 3 * * aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 21:09.42 | Alazare619 | is what i belive it was |
| 21:09.45 | ironcamel | Alazare619: thanks |
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| 21:10.01 | lasers | Alazare619: No changelog? |
| 21:10.21 | n0un | there is apt-listbugs if you're going to live outside stable |
| 21:10.26 | Alazare619 | aptitude automatically logs in /var/logs |
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| 21:10.39 | ironcamel | lasers: but that makes me wonder. why doesn't the notify thing run by default on debian? |
| 21:10.56 | ironcamel | like it does on ubuntu and lmde |
| 21:11.07 | themill | ironcamel: if you want it, install it. |
| 21:11.16 | Alazare619 | because debian is a base |
| 21:11.18 | Alazare619 | second of all |
| 21:11.21 | lasers | ironcamel: If I have to guess, I'll say Ubuntu and Linuxmint is popular with beginners, mainly because it's user-friendly. |
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| 21:11.25 | Alazare619 | why would you need it... |
| 21:11.31 | Alazare619 | is it that hard to crontab it? |
| 21:11.41 | ironcamel | no, i prefer crontab |
| 21:11.44 | rypervenche | I would like to create an HFS+ partition on an external HDD for a Mac user. I have installed hfsprogs, however I am unsure which type of partition I should choose when using fdisk. Any ideas? |
| 21:11.56 | ironcamel | but just am surprised it doesn't run by default, the notify thingy |
| 21:12.01 | n0un | using testing you live many "transitions" and some times you should cleanup after transitions... "blind upgrades" may work "most times" and sometimes some packages have debconf questions on upgrades |
| 21:12.09 | lasers | ironcamel: Debian is all about stability, not user friendly. I guess. :) |
| 21:12.17 | ironcamel | seems like it would be the sensible, more secure, etc. approach |
| 21:12.51 | Alazare619 | thats false lasers |
| 21:13.00 | Alazare619 | debian is linux for human beings |
| 21:13.06 | Alazare619 | debian is easy... |
| 21:13.11 | rypervenche | Oh, nevermind. I found it. >< |
| 21:13.13 | Alazare619 | its what ubuntu and mint are all based on |
| 21:13.31 | Alazare619 | its debian users just prefer terminal everything |
| 21:13.31 | n0un | ubuntu have many payed profesionals improving the desktop |
| 21:13.35 | n0un | debian is more universal |
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| 21:13.40 | abrotman | does anyone actually need help with Debian ? |
| 21:13.44 | lasers | Alazare619: I don't disagree. :P |
| 21:13.45 | Alazare619 | as you slowly graduate from gui to terminal you will all understand why |
| 21:13.46 | n0un | not all desktops needs a notify thing for upgrades |
| 21:13.52 | lstarnes | s/improving/"improving"/ |
| 21:14.09 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 21:14.09 | ironcamel | n0un: you make a good point. sometimes upgrades prompt you for stuff. |
| 21:14.25 | Alazare619 | for instance i had a discussion with a ubuntu person they said they needed to remove all files with some random string in there name |
| 21:14.26 | ironcamel | n0un: so you are arguing against the crontab approach? |
| 21:14.33 | loop | i dont really consider gui -> terminal graduating |
| 21:14.40 | ironcamel | n0un: or against the rolling updates on testing approach? |
| 21:14.41 | Alazare619 | they were searching for ap that would search strings and remove or move to another folder... |
| 21:14.50 | abrotman | !ot |
| 21:14.51 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 21:14.58 | Alazare619 | i explained just using rm/mv you can use wild cards for the rest... |
| 21:15.07 | Alazare619 | he finished the task in 10 seconds instead of finding a apt... |
| 21:15.11 | loop | terrabytes worth of storage, 100 gigabytes of ram, and you guys all wanna be sitting around typing away |
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| 21:15.19 | ashka | hello |
| 21:15.21 | n0un | ironcamel: I'm against blind upgrades outside stable |
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| 21:15.28 | loop | into a terminal. seems kind of backwards to me. |
| 21:15.28 | ashka | svn.debian.org is down |
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| 21:15.53 | themill | ashka: yes. alioth is unhappy |
| 21:15.54 | ironcamel | n0un: blind upgrades = doing aptitude upgrade in cronjob |
| 21:16.08 | Alazare619 | terminal is not hard once you slowly getting your feet wet its like swiming kinda you can just jump on in or sit on the edge but once you jump in you will understand why |
| 21:16.20 | n0un | yes, and in special using -y -yy etc |
| 21:16.23 | valdyn | loop: so youre saying: "language is backwards, when we can draw pictures and point at things" |
| 21:16.29 | loop | as long as the source is open whats the difference as long as you understand what is happening underneath. |
| 21:16.29 | Alazare619 | testing is exteremly stable wether anyone belives it or not |
| 21:16.34 | loop | is what im saying. |
| 21:16.48 | ironcamel | Alazare619: but what about upgrades that prompt users? |
| 21:16.49 | bwana147 | loop: when there is a history of mouse clicks, I may reconsider giving up the terminal. Till then... |
| 21:16.54 | n0un | testing lives transitions sometimes |
| 21:16.57 | lasers | Alazare619: For servers or desktop usage? |
| 21:17.00 | n0un | testing changes sometimes |
| 21:17.01 | Alazare619 | never ran into any |
| 21:17.11 | abrotman | n0un: it changes many times per day |
| 21:17.13 | loop | any input can be recorded. thats goes for keystrokes as well |
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| 21:17.17 | Alazare619 | and i belive that has to do with the fact i dont use nonfree |
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| 21:17.27 | Alazare619 | and if the package is already installed it usually wont prompt again |
| 21:17.31 | ironcamel | Alazare619: so no mp3/flash etc? |
| 21:17.31 | taylorjonl | Is there a way for me to disable a GPU? It isn't in use and is preventing my system from booting. |
| 21:17.40 | abrotman | ironcamel: mp3 has nothing to do with non-free |
| 21:17.48 | Alazare619 | ironcamel i use debian on my server |
| 21:17.49 | abrotman | taylorjonl: is it on-board? |
| 21:17.51 | loop | at least mouseclicks leaves room for guessing. keystrokes is basically reads like a transcript lol |
| 21:17.54 | rhenani | Hello Everybody, I hope could cuold help me with this |
| 21:17.59 | ironcamel | Alazare619: what do you run on your desktop? |
| 21:18.00 | Alazare619 | "server" |
| 21:18.01 | themill | Alazare619: non-free has nothing to do with transitions either. now can we get back to user support? |
| 21:18.03 | Alazare619 | i dont need flash lol |
| 21:18.04 | taylorjonl | abrotman: no |
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| 21:18.17 | abrotman | taylorjonl: is there another video card on board ? |
| 21:18.19 | Alazare619 | ironcamel my own distro |
| 21:18.25 | ironcamel | haha, ok :) |
| 21:18.28 | taylorjonl | abrotman: yes |
| 21:18.31 | abrotman | Alazare619: this is #debian .. go chat somewhere else, thank you |
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| 21:18.41 | abrotman | taylorjonl: can you physically remove it? |
| 21:18.46 | abrotman | !tell Alazare619 about ot |
| 21:18.57 | Alazare619 | !tell abrotman go to hell |
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| 21:19.03 | ironcamel | what's the problem? |
| 21:19.07 | taylorjonl | abrotman: yes, but I would prefer not to, it is a rackmount unit that is on the bottom of a stack |
| 21:19.08 | themill | Alazare619: enough, thanks |
| 21:19.08 | Alazare619 | it was a tangent not offtopic |
| 21:19.21 | ironcamel | Alazare619: what was a tangent? |
| 21:19.21 | abrotman | ironcamel: please take Alazare619 to #debian-offtopic if you want to continue this |
| 21:19.24 | rhenani | I have last version of firefox compiled in my debian 64 bits squeeze 6.0.3 and it works fine, but at the time of open a dowload already completed it ask me to chosee an aplication instead of open it it happens with everything, images, videos, pdf files I have to always go /Download/ Folder and open it manually |
| 21:19.30 | ironcamel | abrotman: wtf? |
| 21:19.30 | Vasistha | I've just started using icedove, and am disappointed that when I paste a long url into an email I want to send, the link gets broken by line breaks around 80 characters. Isn't there some way to make this work properly? |
| 21:19.37 | taylorjonl | abrotman: The card isn't used righ tnow but at some point it will be used in xen as a passthrough device to a windows 7 box |
| 21:19.45 | Alazare619 | the topic of dist upgrades via crontab abrotman |
| 21:19.45 | ironcamel | am i off topic? |
| 21:19.55 | Vasistha | (using backported icedove 3.1) |
| 21:19.56 | ironcamel | how the hell is that off topic? |
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| 21:20.02 | abrotman | taylorjonl: ah okay, so which part of it doesn't work ? |
| 21:20.04 | Alazare619 | its not it was a tangent... |
| 21:20.11 | themill | ironcamel: arguing about it definitely is. Can we get back to user support please? |
| 21:20.19 | abrotman | Alazare619: comparing distros is offtopic here |
| 21:20.21 | taylorjonl | it complains of some firmware missing |
| 21:20.22 | ironcamel | wow, you guys are stuffy |
| 21:20.27 | Alazare619 | wasnt comparing abrotman |
| 21:20.31 | themill | Alazare619, ironcamel: there are actually people here who want help, your noise is making it difficult to help them |
| 21:20.32 | Alazare619 | he asked what i ran i said |
| 21:20.32 | abrotman | uhhuh |
| 21:20.39 | loop | im really starting to enjoy this place lol |
| 21:20.41 | ironcamel | yeah, i was one of those people |
| 21:20.47 | ironcamel | and i am asking questions to learn more |
| 21:20.51 | abrotman | taylorjonl: what is the video card in question ? |
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| 21:21.09 | taylorjonl | abrotman: Sapphire Radeon HD 5670 PCI-Express Graphics Card 100287L |
| 21:21.31 | abrotman | taylorjonl: so if you blacklist the kernel radeon stuff, would it prevent the Xen guest from using it correctly ? |
| 21:21.42 | abrotman | taylorjonl: why not install the radeon-firmware package? |
| 21:21.49 | themill | Vasistha: too many mail clients think that wrapping mails at 76ish chars either on sending or receiving is the right way to do it™ |
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| 21:21.52 | Alazare619 | taylorjonl or fglrx |
| 21:22.01 | Alazare619 | taylorjonl sudo aptitude install fglrx |
| 21:22.16 | taylorjonl | abrotman: I guess I can but I can't boot the system |
| 21:22.19 | Alazare619 | should automatically blacklist and install no problem |
| 21:22.21 | Vasistha | themill: well... yeah... it is kind of sad that after all these years, this is still a problem :P |
| 21:22.30 | Alazare619 | taylorjonl can you drop to terminal via i belive its ctrl f1 |
| 21:22.35 | valdyn | Vasistha: Im sure this is configurable |
| 21:22.38 | abrotman | Alazare619: please stop |
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| 21:22.42 | themill | Alazare619: you should try that command yourself |
| 21:23.10 | Vasistha | valdyn: yeah, I've just spent the last 40 minutes googling. I've found stuff about "format=flowed" but I am inclined to think f=f is kind of a good thing |
| 21:23.12 | abrotman | taylorjonl: can you physically access the system and pull teh card? or does it have some sort of iLo or remote access to the BIOS ? |
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| 21:23.13 | taylorjonl | Alazare619: I am not sure, it is failing pretty early in the boot, I will try |
| 21:23.34 | loop | sounds like somebodys got a case of the mundays |
| 21:23.34 | Alazare619 | well it use to be ctrl alt backspace but it changed awhile back and i havent used it .... |
| 21:23.37 | abrotman | taylorjonl: ignore Alazare619 .. if you can't boot the system, you can't use alt-f1 .. he's delusional |
| 21:23.46 | themill | taylorjonl: just ignore Alazare619. His "help" isn't going to get you a bootable system. |
| 21:23.50 | taylorjonl | abrotman: I can access the system and I may just pull it out but it has several onther systems on top of it that I don't want to shut down |
| 21:24.09 | abrotman | taylorjonl: which system won't boot? the host or the guest? |
| 21:24.13 | jhutchins_wk | Vasistha: http://tinyurl,com |
| 21:24.20 | Alazare619 | i have the same video card and on debian it wont boot...it goes to grub starts loading after that screen flashes correct taylorjonl |
| 21:24.22 | abrotman | hands jhutchins_wk a period |
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| 21:24.50 | taylorjonl | abrotman: I haven't installed xen yet, I just completed installing of wheezy and rebooted |
| 21:25.03 | Vasistha | jhutchins_wk: yes, I know about tinyurl, but I'd like to be able to actually send long links properly |
| 21:25.05 | jhutchins_wk | puts it next to the other period he failed to hit. |
| 21:25.10 | Vasistha | heh |
| 21:25.11 | themill | Alazare619: please take a break from #debian so the rest of us can help people. When you come back, please be more signal and less noise. |
| 21:25.29 | abrotman | taylorjonl: so this is the host? correct? |
| 21:25.29 | taylorjonl | abrotman: I do have a version of squeeze running that I can ssh into though |
| 21:25.40 | Vasistha | anyway-- maybe there's a #thunderbird channel or something |
| 21:25.57 | taylorjonl | abrotman: Yes, this is not a domU install, I am setting up a host. |
| 21:25.59 | abrotman | Vasistha: there is, irc.mozilla.org |
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| 21:26.21 | Vasistha | nice, thanks abrotman, I guess that is my next stop |
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| 21:26.54 | taylorjonl | abrotman: Let me give you some background |
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| 21:27.11 | hdb2 | odd-ball question: is there a certain package that creates the Downloads, Templates, Public, ... directories in your home dir when you install xfce/gnome? |
| 21:27.16 | themill | Vasistha: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Plain_text_e-mail_-_Thunderbird#Flowed_format might help |
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| 21:27.38 | simonlnu | !xdg |
| 21:27.38 | dpkg | freedesktop.org (fd.o, formerly X Desktop Group) is a project focusing on interoperability and shared base technology for free software desktop environments for the X Window System. http://freedesktop.org/ #freedesktop.org on irc.freenode.net. See also <dbus>, <devicekit>, <hal>, <nouveau>. |
| 21:27.40 | abrotman | hdb2: it happens when you login to gnome/xfce the first time generally |
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| 21:29.04 | taylorjonl | abrotman: I have 4 partitions on this box for root, we will call them /dev/sda{2,3,4,5}, /dev/sda2 is a install of Squeeze that is booting fine, I am actually ssh'd into it now, /dev/sda{3,4,5} will be three installs of wheezy that will be versioned{unstable,testing,stable}. |
| 21:29.06 | Vasistha | thanks, themill |
| 21:29.50 | taylorjonl | abrotman: I am currently getting /dev/sda3 setup, then I will clone it to 4 and 5, when I make changes I will make them to 3, when they are tested a little I will move them to 4 then 5 when stable |
| 21:29.50 | jhutchins_wk | taylorjonl: We don't know when wheezy might go stable, but it will never be both testing and stable. |
| 21:30.18 | taylorjonl | jhutchins_wk: the unstable,testing,stable aren't to be confused with the debian equals |
| 21:30.37 | jhutchins_wk | taylorjonl: I think I see what you're doing. |
| 21:30.40 | taylorjonl | jhutchins_wk: They are for my purposes, at this time I must use wheezy because that is where xen-api is first added |
| 21:30.51 | hdb2 | simonlnu, thanks I'll look into that! :) |
| 21:31.29 | abrotman | taylorjonl: there is a method to prevent modules from loading via grub .. |
| 21:31.34 | abrotman | ISTR anyway |
| 21:31.52 | simonlnu | hdb2: like abrotman said, they're created on login. there's a file in ~/.config that regulates location for a user |
| 21:32.16 | abrotman | taylorjonl: it's weird the system stops booting .. i'd think it would just skip the module and keep going |
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| 21:32.33 | taylorjonl | abrotman: I think this is what you are saying http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/avoid-linux-kernel-module-driver-autoloading.html |
| 21:32.39 | simonlnu | hdb2: user-dirs.dirs |
| 21:33.20 | hdb2 | simonlnu, cool. I was just curious about what mechanism was in place that caused that to happen. TIL ;) |
| 21:33.32 | laecheln | Hey, can I get some help with my linux? |
| 21:33.34 | abrotman | taylorjonl: nope, i know how to do that |
| 21:33.41 | abrotman | laecheln: which version of linux is it? |
| 21:33.53 | laecheln | Well it's debian, I think |
| 21:34.04 | simonlnu | xfce has some executable that takes care of it. i think gnome buries it somewhere in gnome-session |
| 21:34.05 | abrotman | laecheln: lsb_release -a .. what does it say ? |
| 21:34.18 | laecheln | What? |
| 21:34.37 | laecheln | what does that mean? |
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| 21:35.19 | abrotman | taylorjonl: <rest of the grub command line> modprobe.blacklist=<modulename> |
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| 21:35.40 | abrotman | taylorjonl: or <module>.disable=1 |
| 21:36.16 | laecheln | So, on my computer, my wireless won't work |
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| 21:36.43 | abrotman | laecheln: it's a command, it iwll tell you which OS you're running |
| 21:36.51 | taylorjonl | abrotman: ok, now I just need to find the module to blacklist |
| 21:37.11 | taylorjonl | abrotman: checking /var/log/dmesg on that partition |
| 21:37.14 | abrotman | taylorjonl: yeah, probably 'radeon' .. i'd guess .. i don't own ATI hardware |
| 21:37.23 | abrotman | oh wait .. i do .. but it's in a PPC mac, and it's old |
| 21:37.29 | laecheln | okay abrotman, so how do I do a command thing? |
| 21:37.47 | abrotman | /lib/modules/3.1.0-1-686-pae/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/radeon/radeon.ko |
| 21:37.47 | abrotman | /lib/modules/3.1.0-1-686-pae/kernel/drivers/video/aty/radeonfb.ko |
| 21:37.53 | abrotman | laecheln: in a terminal ? |
| 21:37.56 | tremon | taylorjonl: have you already tried radeon.modeset=0 ? |
| 21:38.06 | laecheln | oh |
| 21:38.13 | abrotman | tremon: will that prevent it from asking to load the firmware? |
| 21:38.23 | laecheln | sorry, this is my first time messing with linux |
| 21:38.30 | taylorjonl | tremon: no, I will add that to the list |
| 21:38.39 | abrotman | laecheln: so what did it tell you ? |
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| 21:39.00 | laecheln | command not found |
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| 21:39.08 | tremon | abrotman: not sure, actually. I think it might |
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| 21:39.59 | abrotman | laecheln: doesn't sound like Debian .. do you have a /etc/apt/sources.list file ? |
| 21:40.31 | laecheln | yes |
| 21:40.35 | laecheln | I have it |
| 21:40.39 | rhenani | can some one explain me hot to install lastest version of kdenlive 0.8-2 in debian squeeze stable plz? :/ |
| 21:40.41 | abrotman | laecheln: what is the first URL in the file ? |
| 21:40.52 | abrotman | judd: versions kdenlive |
| 21:40.55 | judd | Package: kdenlive on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 0.5.svn20080420-0.2; squeeze: 0.7.8-1; squeeze-multimedia: 0.7.8-1.2; sid: 0.8.2.1-1; wheezy: 0.8.2.1-1; sid-multimedia: 1:0.8.2.1-0.0; wheezy-multimedia: 1:0.8.2.1-0.0 |
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| 21:41.23 | laecheln | # deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 10.10 _Maverick Meerkat_ - Release amd64 (20101007)]/ |
| 21:41.47 | abrotman | laecheln: please go to #ubuntu for help |
| 21:41.57 | laecheln | But I have debian |
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| 21:42.00 | abrotman | laecheln: "/join #ubuntu" in your IRC client |
| 21:42.09 | abrotman | laecheln: Ubunt is NOT Debian .. this channel doesn't support Ubuntu |
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| 21:42.28 | laecheln | I know, I think. It's a different "flavour" of linux or something |
| 21:42.34 | laecheln | But I installed debian |
| 21:42.37 | abrotman | laecheln: right, so go to #ubuntu |
| 21:42.43 | abrotman | laecheln: no, you installed Ubuntu, from a CD |
| 21:42.47 | cobra-the-joker | lol |
| 21:43.03 | laecheln | right? |
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| 21:43.16 | abrotman | laecheln: please go to #ubuntu for support, last warning, have a nice day |
| 21:43.17 | laecheln | why did it say "deb" then? |
| 21:43.23 | laecheln | warning? I just need help |
| 21:43.44 | abrotman | laecheln: you will get help in #ubuntu, not here |
| 21:43.44 | cobra-the-joker | laecheln, you have debian and want to add an ubuntu repo to it ? |
| 21:43.54 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: please don't .. he needs to go to #ubuntu |
| 21:44.03 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman, ok |
| 21:44.03 | laecheln | no, I just need to get my wireless working |
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| 21:44.18 | cobra-the-joker | no joke lol |
| 21:44.19 | abrotman | laecheln: go to #ubuntu, Ubuntu is not supported in this channel |
| 21:45.04 | Vasistha | abrotman: my squeeze doesn't have an lsb_release command... |
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| 21:45.14 | abrotman | Vasistha: his sources are still ubuntu |
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| 21:45.35 | taylorjonl | abrotman: 'modprobe.blacklist=radeon' added to the kernel line in grub worked wonderfully, thanks :) |
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| 21:45.50 | jpinx | Vasistha: you can cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 21:45.56 | abrotman | taylorjonl: enjoy! |
| 21:46.07 | Alazare619 | so i heard steve jobs died....how is debian going to survive now?! |
| 21:46.10 | abrotman | jpinx: not really, that's not reliable for determining which linux you're using |
| 21:46.13 | Vasistha | jpinx: yeah, but some debian-based distros copy that file unmodified so it lies |
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| 21:46.30 | cobra-the-joker | lol |
| 21:46.32 | Vasistha | jpinx: ditto for /etc/issue |
| 21:46.41 | jpinx | hmmmm -- ok |
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| 21:47.15 | Vasistha | dpkg -l libc6 is a fairly good test, although it is a tad complicated. I was hoping lsb_release was going to offer a nice way to get the info we want, but apparently not. oh well |
| 21:47.16 | dpkg | No packages found matching libc6 is a fairly good test, although it is a tad complicated. I was hoping lsb_release was going to offer a nice way to get the info we want, but apparently not. oh well |
| 21:47.31 | abrotman | Vasistha: it does .. but not all distros have it |
| 21:47.52 | abrotman | and/or not always installed |
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| 21:53.11 | Sweetshark | alioth down? is that a planned outage? |
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| 21:54.46 | abrotman | don't think it's planned, but it is known |
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| 21:56.44 | jhutchins_wk | Vasistha: You sure about cat /etc/issue? |
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| 21:57.36 | jhutchins_wk | Vasistha: That's pretty universal, although it doesn't always contain useful info. |
| 21:57.57 | Vasistha | jhutchins_wk: well... gosh. My memory is not stellar and it's awfully difficult to look it up, but it sure seems to me like there was once a person asking for help in here, and someone asked about his /etc/issue which showed the debian string, but it turns out he was running... something else. |
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| 21:58.23 | Vasistha | jhutchins_wk: but... gosh, it was so long ago, I can't be sure. I just got the impression that it's not a reliable metric, somehow |
| 21:58.42 | n0un | I use to "clear > /etc/issue" on new machines |
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| 21:58.59 | jhutchins_wk | It's possible some derivative doesn't bother to change it. |
| 21:59.08 | abrotman | jhutchins_wk: that file is not useful .. many debian-based distros dont' change it . |
| 21:59.16 | jhutchins_wk | k |
| 21:59.34 | jhutchins_wk | I was just wondering of Vasistha couldn't find it. |
| 21:59.52 | jhutchins_wk | uname -r is pretty good |
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| 22:00.57 | Vasistha | yeah, uname -r and dpkg -l libc6 are nice ways to get a quick answer that people would have difficulty forging if they wanted us to think they were using debian if they weren't |
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| 22:03.27 | jhutchins_wk | Vasistha: I got caught out by a kernel that was in backports for ~15 minutes though. |
| 22:03.28 | abrotman | jhutchins_wk: how is that 'pretty good' ? |
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| 22:04.13 | jhutchins_wk | abrotman: Indicative but not definitiive or un-forgable/ |
| 22:04.26 | abrotman | (just like /etc/issue .. yay) |
| 22:05.19 | jhutchins_wk | abrotman: so for you libc6 is the only useful one. |
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| 22:05.50 | abrotman | i didn't propose libc6 .. |
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| 22:07.36 | jhutchins_wk | Sorry. konversation on W7 isn't very stable. |
| 22:07.46 | jhutchins_wk | abrotman: What method do you recommend? |
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| 22:08.15 | abrotman | wait what? |
| 22:08.22 | tremon | apt-cache policy ? |
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| 22:08.27 | abrotman | did i read that correctly? |
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| 22:09.09 | jhutchins_wk | abrotman: Which? |
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| 22:09.11 | tremon | worries abrotman might kick jhutchins for heresy |
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| 22:09.34 | gnude | hello, druing backup with partimage i get "superblock read error" |
| 22:09.44 | jhutchins_wk | tremon: All systems spec'ed by me are Debian. |
| 22:09.45 | abrotman | why would you do that? there's an xchat build for win32 |
| 22:10.02 | jhutchins_wk | abrotman: Let us say I did not enjoy it. |
| 22:10.03 | Fool1sh | Hello, i'm wondering if there is any limit about the amount of mails sent from my server before i get blacklisted by mail servers such as Gmail... If they monitor such a thing, I don't really know |
| 22:10.22 | tremon | gnude: don't know about partimage, but have you specified the correct partition/filesystem type? |
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| 22:10.32 | gnude | has anybody seen this error too? |
| 22:10.43 | gnude | tremon: yes. till the last installation it works fine. |
| 22:10.50 | jhutchins_wk | gnude: Yes. |
| 22:10.54 | gnude | fschk.jfs -f shows no errors |
| 22:10.58 | jhutchins_wk | gnude: It's not good. |
| 22:11.01 | abrotman | Fool1sh: yes, any reasonable mail system would have a limit to prevent you from sending a metric crapton of messages |
| 22:11.06 | abrotman | (large mail system) |
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| 22:11.31 | gnude | jhutchins: but smart shows no error. and if i start from livecd it works fine. only if i boot from hd and start it, it dont work. |
| 22:11.33 | gnude | strange.... |
| 22:11.49 | jhutchins_wk | gnude: Any block read error that makes it past the hardware to the OS these days is cause for worry. |
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| 22:12.08 | jhutchins_wk | gnude: So you're trying to image a live partition? |
| 22:12.31 | Fool1sh | abrotman, so the most reasonable thing is to set a delay before each mail is sent ? 1 mail every 5 seconds for example |
| 22:12.36 | gnude | jhutchins: no. i boot from a parallel partition, a rescuepartition and try from there |
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| 22:13.18 | jhutchins_wk | gnude: Well, I know it would worry me, but I don't know for certain if it's just an error or a real problem. |
| 22:13.51 | abrotman | Fool1sh: go ahead and try .. they're not that stupid .. measures are in place to prevent people from abusing and spamming through their systems |
| 22:13.54 | gnude | i install a fresh system at this moment. later i will see if the error still exist.... |
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| 22:14.26 | jhutchins_wk | gnude: Go find out what a superblock is and what an error reading one might mean. |
| 22:14.40 | gnude | ok |
| 22:14.41 | Fool1sh | abrotman, do you know where I could get some information about these tresholds ? |
| 22:14.51 | abrotman | Fool1sh: ask another spammer |
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| 22:14.57 | Vasistha | Fool1sh: it's a complicated ecosystem. Different servers do different things. If recipients mark your messages as spam then you'll have problems. some services hire companies to filter their messages, and those companies can do weird and unpredictable things. |
| 22:14.59 | jhutchins_wk | gnude: It might be a partimage specific problem. |
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| 22:15.16 | abrotman | Vasistha: that's not what he's talking about |
| 22:16.02 | abrotman | Fool1sh: do you have a Debian related question ? |
| 22:16.07 | gnude | jhutchins:i try a old version of partimage, but his works. i use the same software on every pc(where it works) and on my mainpc it works a long time too..... |
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| 22:16.33 | ROKO__ | hello guys |
| 22:16.43 | ROKO__ | when i compille custom kernel in debian |
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| 22:16.48 | ROKO__ | it works |
| 22:16.50 | ROKO__ | but |
| 22:16.57 | Fool1sh | abrotman, haha i'm not an evil spammer, i'm just worried about whether my server can get blacklisted for sending too many mails in too little time. I just have a 100k+ members database (email associated) and need to send them a newsletter. I think it's pretty common stuff |
| 22:17.01 | ROKO__ | when try to run mplayer or vlc with vdpau |
| 22:17.05 | ROKO__ | i get missing vdpau libs |
| 22:17.08 | ROKO__ | what need to do ? |
| 22:17.09 | abrotman | ROKO__: lay off the enter key |
| 22:17.33 | abrotman | Fool1sh: contact google, ask them .. They may or may not share information with you |
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| 22:17.36 | ROKO__ | compille from source, players or compille from source vdpau libs ? |
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| 22:18.27 | Vasistha | Fool1sh: you can pm me if you want, I have a little bit of knowledge about it, although I am on the phone right now |
| 22:19.05 | abrotman | has more than a little bit of knowledge |
| 22:19.22 | spersaud | upgraded kernel now my sound isnt work :) |
| 22:19.30 | spersaud | using standard updates |
| 22:19.40 | abrotman | spersaud: standard in what sense ? |
| 22:19.46 | Fool1sh | but you said i had to contact google, so not enough knowledge :P |
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| 22:20.05 | spersaud | abrotman: debian update popup .. I just installed the latest updates ... |
| 22:20.37 | abrotman | Fool1sh: i didn't say i didn't know .. i just am not willing to talk about it here .. it has nothing to do with Debian |
| 22:20.45 | abrotman | spersaud: in which version of Debian ? |
| 22:20.49 | abrotman | Fool1sh: have a nice day! |
| 22:21.00 | Vasistha | maybe #debian-offtopic |
| 22:21.04 | spersaud | abrotman: squeeze |
| 22:21.41 | abrotman | spersaud: what is 'uname -r' now ? |
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| 22:22.06 | spersaud | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 22:22.16 | Fool1sh | abrotman, oh ok i didn't think offtopic was that much of a matter ! I can ask you a secondary question about Debian so you can answer my original one |
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| 22:24.49 | abrotman | Fool1sh: you can try |
| 22:24.56 | abrotman | spersaud: check the changelog |
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| 22:27.03 | ROKO__ | ?? |
| 22:27.18 | spersaud | abrotman: this sucks, when you're having a bad day ... and looking to play a song and the sound just happened to stop working :) |
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| 22:28.45 | jhutchins_wk | spersaud: Did you reboot after the update? |
| 22:29.05 | jhutchins_wk | spersaud: Is it possible something else messed up the sound? (Like maybe the cat tripped over the speaker cable?) |
| 22:30.02 | spersaud | jhutchins_wk: no .. I dont think there are any configured devices |
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| 22:31.24 | jhutchins_wk | Sorry, back in a while. |
| 22:31.29 | abrotman | spergrrr |
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| 22:31.40 | o_sanleis | hi all |
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| 22:34.56 | Partempt | I'm running squeeze on a Thinkpad T60. Is there a way to get an onscreen indicator when I adjust the volume using the volume buttons? |
| 22:35.14 | Vasistha | Partempt: tpb |
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| 22:35.35 | buhman | http://sprunge.us/ddPE ; why is debian disobeying me? |
| 22:35.38 | Vasistha | Partempt: install tpb, put your user in the nvram group, and put a script to run tpb -d in your Autostart directory |
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| 22:37.29 | Partempt | Alright, I guess I'm off to install tpb. Thanks, folks |
| 22:37.38 | Vasistha | Partempt: it's in debian ;) |
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| 22:37.55 | aguitel | i installed Geoforce FX 5500 ,what driver i need? |
| 22:38.10 | Vasistha | aguitel: is that an nvidia card? |
| 22:38.22 | aguitel | Vasistha, yes |
| 22:38.24 | ROKO__ | aguitel: nouveau |
| 22:38.34 | ROKO__ | or older legacy 9X.XX series |
| 22:38.34 | aguitel | i need 3D |
| 22:38.42 | ROKO__ | aguitel: so nouveau have 3D |
| 22:39.06 | ROKO__ | not the best support but you can have 3D with open nouveau driver |
| 22:39.08 | aguitel | ROKO__, how install nouveau ? |
| 22:39.21 | ROKO__ | aguitel: is it installed by default in debian |
| 22:39.29 | ROKO__ | with working 3D |
| 22:39.38 | aguitel | ROKO__, i will try |
| 22:39.45 | Vasistha | buhman: well it looks like the python-flaskext.wtf did get installed properly. you might look and see if there's a README / debian file in /usr/share about it |
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| 22:39.55 | ROKO__ | aguitel: .. glxinfo | grep OpenGL |
| 22:39.57 | ROKO__ | ? |
| 22:40.21 | ROKO__ | paste output in some pastebin service like http://pastebin.calculate-linux.org/ |
| 22:40.25 | compnoob | hey, can I get some help with my computer? |
| 22:40.28 | konradb | does someone know, why evolution mail is asking about pop password? :/ |
| 22:40.41 | konradb | every 5 minutes |
| 22:40.47 | Vasistha | buhman: also I wonder if having a dot in the name flaskext.wtf is doing something unexpected, and if there might be some alternate syntax or naming like flaskext_wtf or some such |
| 22:41.03 | aguitel | ROKO__, http://pastebin.calculate-linux.org/en/show/2581 |
| 22:41.05 | Vasistha | !tell compnoob about ask |
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| 22:41.39 | ROKO__ | aguitel: so you have propietary 173 legacy driver |
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| 22:41.44 | ROKO__ | you are done with 3D |
| 22:41.45 | compnoob | I'm new to linux, and I'm having trouble getting my wireless to work |
| 22:41.48 | ROKO__ | you are lucky |
| 22:42.11 | ivo_ | hah ROKO__ |
| 22:42.19 | ivo_ | what r u doing here :D |
| 22:42.24 | aguitel | ROKO__, how install this legacy drivers in debian testing ? |
| 22:42.36 | Vasistha | compnoob: ah so you just installed debian? |
| 22:42.43 | buhman | Vasistha: no, that's the correct name |
| 22:42.44 | ROKO__ | ivo_: just enjoy ;D |
| 22:42.48 | compnoob | Yeah I did |
| 22:42.55 | compnoob | first time with linux |
| 22:43.00 | ROKO__ | ivo_: am ti kwo prawish tuka |
| 22:43.02 | Vasistha | compnoob: /msg dpkg wireless |
| 22:43.15 | compnoob | What does that mean? |
| 22:43.19 | ivo_ | ROKO__, English only! |
| 22:43.44 | Vasistha | compnoob: that means, type into your irc client, /msg dpkg wireless |
| 22:43.44 | Vasistha | compnoob: dpkg is a bot that has information about different common topics |
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| 22:44.11 | compnoob | something beeped |
| 22:44.22 | cpaq | I am having trouble with compiz: GConf-CRITICAL **: gconf_client_set_string: assertion `val != NULL' failed |
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| 22:44.39 | Vasistha | compnoob: maybe that means that there is another irc window or tab that you need to click on. do you know what irc client you are using? |
| 22:44.49 | compnoob | not really |
| 22:45.03 | compnoob | I clocked on something and got here |
| 22:45.03 | Vasistha | how did you get here? |
| 22:45.14 | Vasistha | you don't even know what you clicked on? |
| 22:45.29 | compnoob | I googled "how to get wirless on linux" and it took me here |
| 22:45.42 | abrotman | compnoob: to #debian ? |
| 22:45.44 | compnoob | well, to a forum that confused me, then I clicked in something there |
| 22:45.46 | Vasistha | are you inside your web browser? |
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| 22:45.49 | compnoob | yea |
| 22:46.00 | abrotman | compnoob: which version of linux are you using ? |
| 22:46.01 | Vasistha | ah okay so you are using freenode's web-based irc chat |
| 22:46.24 | Vasistha | compnoob: at the top of the window you'll see a little tab or box labeled "dpkg", you can click on that |
| 22:46.43 | compnoob | I tried to get help here earlier, but someone banned me |
| 22:46.45 | abrotman | compnoob: this is awful, we already told you to go to #ubuntu |
| 22:46.50 | compnoob | So I tried again a minute ago |
| 22:46.54 | abrotman | compnoob: because you're not running Debian .. jesus |
| 22:47.02 | compnoob | but I am |
| 22:47.04 | abrotman | ARE NOT |
| 22:47.12 | compnoob | I downloaded it and installed it today |
| 22:47.13 | abrotman | YOU CANNOT USE A FUCKING UBUNTU CD TO INSTALL DEBIAN .. |
| 22:47.33 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:47.39 | abrotman | that is from YOU |
| 22:47.41 | arietis | distrowatch is down? |
| 22:47.46 | aguitel | ROKO__, how install this legacy drivers 173 in debian testing ? |
| 22:47.55 | abrotman | you cannot possibly have used that CD to install Debian |
| 22:48.07 | abrotman | compnoob: now please go to #ubuntu |
| 22:48.18 | ROKO__ | aguitel: you allready have installed this driver you have 3D |
| 22:48.28 | Kostic | can someone tell me how to get drivers for my old card, ati radeon 9200 |
| 22:48.30 | compnoob | but I just want my wirless to work, and this abrotman was a jerk |
| 22:48.31 | aguitel | ROKO__, ok |
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| 22:48.48 | Kostic | I used to rip ubuntu /lib/firmware folder for it... |
| 22:48.48 | cpaq | haha |
| 22:48.51 | abrotman | compnoob: go to #ubuntu, you cannot install Debian using that CD |
| 22:48.58 | Kostic | is there any other way? |
| 22:49.08 | abrotman | compnoob: and your sources.list wouldn't have that in there if you'd used the Debian installer |
| 22:49.16 | tremon | kostic: linux-firmware-nonfree? |
| 22:49.28 | abrotman | Kostic: the drivers are already in the system .. you will need firmware |
| 22:49.29 | Kostic | probably... |
| 22:49.33 | Kostic | aha |
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| 22:49.41 | Kostic | i have 50 cd of debian |
| 22:49.55 | Kostic | where to get the firmware? |
| 22:50.23 | Vasistha | Kostic: the radeon driver may support it, I'm not sure ... |
| 22:50.23 | abrotman | Kostic: linux-firmware-nonfree |
| 22:50.27 | cpaq | you have to add contrib non-free to your sources? |
| 22:50.31 | Kostic | are there no FLOSS drivers for it? I heard something about reverse-engineered driver... |
| 22:50.47 | tremon | needs a better brain |
| 22:50.48 | Kostic | ok, il install linux-firmware-nonfree |
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| 22:51.14 | tremon | kostic: it's firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 22:51.21 | Kostic | aha |
| 22:51.43 | Kostic | and what about these free drivers? Well, do they exist? |
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| 22:52.01 | tremon | you already have them. it's xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
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| 22:52.34 | tremon | for the firmware, you need to enable the non-free sources in sources.list or download it manually from packages.debian.org |
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| 22:52.58 | Kostic | I will download it manually. |
| 22:53.10 | abrotman | Kostic: packages.debian.org has the link |
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| 22:54.13 | Kostic | What do you think about this new gadget? Its called Raspberry Pi and it will probably run LXDE Debian as a default OS. |
| 22:54.14 | Kostic | http://www.raspberrypi.org/ |
| 22:54.34 | themill | Kostic → #debian-offtopic |
| 22:54.35 | tremon | ducks |
| 22:54.45 | Kostic | u mean sucks? |
| 22:54.50 | Kostic | aha |
| 22:54.51 | Kostic | ok |
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| 22:55.37 | Cain | I used update-rc.d vbox.start defaults to make vbox.start to be ran on every startup, how to undo that ? |
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| 22:58.19 | zykotick9 | Cain: "man update-rc.d" show a remove option |
| 22:58.48 | Cain | zykotick9 : yep, i'm looking at it, thx :) |
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| 22:59.28 | user___ | hello. |
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| 23:01.11 | user___ | theres a newer version of pcmanfm out and im running debian stable |
| 23:01.27 | user___ | its not found in the backport repos. |
| 23:01.32 | abrotman | lots of newer things out there |
| 23:01.53 | user___ | it not even compiled for unstable |
| 23:02.16 | user___ | abrotman, indeed, any suggestions? |
| 23:02.17 | tuv | every half hour or so, i see intermittent disk activity (every 2-5 seconds, for about a minute or two). iotop points to jdb2/sda1. i notice this only while mplayer is playing something, as video would pause at the said intervals (every 5 seconds, for a minute or two, every about half hour). vlc plays fine (no pauses). why is jdb2 causing these interruptions? and why is mplayer the only thing affected by it? |
| 23:02.29 | abrotman | !tell user___ about uupdate |
| 23:02.35 | abrotman | user___: not sure if that will help you or not |
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| 23:03.50 | user___ | its pcmanfm btw |
| 23:03.56 | abrotman | user___: so you said |
| 23:04.30 | user___ | yes, thought i didnt. |
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| 23:08.24 | DeM0nFiRe | Hello |
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| 23:08.45 | DeM0nFiRe | If I update from 6.0.0 to 6.0.3 right now, it's going to replace my kernel, huh? |
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| 23:09.03 | jordanm | ,kernels |
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| 23:09.04 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.8-2); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.8-2); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-39squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 23:09.28 | abrotman | DeM0nFiRe: hopefully .. yours has known security issues |
| 23:09.35 | themill | DeM0nFiRe: there was a kernel update in the last day or two (released well after 6.0.3 was released) |
| 23:09.39 | jordanm | DeM0nFiRe: replace it with what? there have been minor version release for security issues |
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| 23:10.05 | DeM0nFiRe | Ah, well, I kinda didn't want to have to recompile the kernel, which is what I'm going to have to do :. |
| 23:10.07 | DeM0nFiRe | :/ |
| 23:10.19 | DeM0nFiRe | kernel doesn't have support for my netbook's ACPI |
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| 23:12.17 | themill | DeM0nFiRe: would a newer kernel help that? |
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| 23:13.53 | pipegeek1 | Is there any way to force a filesystem that has open files on it to be remounted read-only (as if there'd been a critical error)? Doing it at the device level (/sys/bus/scsi/devices/n:m:o:p) would be fine, but I can't find a way of doing it in the kernel docs |
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| 23:14.46 | abrotman | pipegeek: you can't just 'mount -o ro,remount <filesystem>" ? |
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| 23:14.57 | pipegeek | abrotman: not to a filesystem with open files on it |
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| 23:15.05 | RichiH | quite |
| 23:15.11 | DeM0nFiRe | themill: I kind of doubt it |
| 23:15.15 | RichiH | this sounds both interesting and dangerous |
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| 23:15.20 | RichiH | if you find a way, tell me |
| 23:15.23 | pipegeek | heh |
| 23:15.23 | pipegeek | k |
| 23:15.30 | jordanm | DeM0nFiRe: do you apply 3rd party patches or something? |
| 23:15.33 | DeM0nFiRe | Yeah |
| 23:15.45 | abrotman | pipegeek: but won't it close the files for you as part of the operatoin ? |
| 23:15.59 | jordanm | if the filesystem has errors and error=remount-ro is set, you could just corrupt your journal or something |
| 23:16.07 | RichiH | abrotman: iirc not |
| 23:16.12 | RichiH | anyway, /me off to home |
| 23:16.17 | RichiH | well, hotel |
| 23:16.22 | abrotman | kinky |
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| 23:16.44 | abrotman | pipegeek: why can't you terminate the programs that have open files? |
| 23:17.10 | DeM0nFiRe | My guess is that they don't add 3rd party patches for ACPI into the kernel, huh? |
| 23:17.12 | pipegeek | abrotman: I don't think so. I just checked with a tmpfs, and "mount: /home/pipegeek/foo is busy" |
| 23:17.37 | abrotman | pipegeek: is there a shell open in it? |
| 23:17.47 | pipegeek | abrotman: because the reason I'm doing this is to test how a certain piece of software behaves when the filesystem stops accepting writes |
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| 23:18.16 | pipegeek | Hmm, I have an idea |
| 23:18.34 | jordanm | DeM0nFiRe: which patches? |
| 23:18.49 | DeM0nFiRe | jordanm: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15707 |
| 23:18.57 | DeM0nFiRe | diff_ec_try_econ.patch from the attachements |
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| 23:19.23 | abrotman | pipegeek: silly question .. why not just fill the partition |
| 23:19.38 | pipegeek | abrotman: because I'm a moron, that's why |
| 23:19.54 | jordanm | DeM0nFiRe: it says in the bug report its in 3.0 mainline |
| 23:19.55 | abrotman | pipegeek: well, okay then ... |
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| 23:20.22 | DeM0nFiRe | The patch is in 3.0 mainline? Sorry let me read it again |
| 23:20.23 | pipegeek | abrotman hmm, though that's not perfect, since that only works to stop writes that grow files |
| 23:20.47 | abrotman | pipegeek: if you fill it to 100% .. what's left? |
| 23:20.49 | DeM0nFiRe | Oh yeah so it is |
| 23:20.52 | DeM0nFiRe | Well |
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| 23:21.21 | DeM0nFiRe | I am using debian 6, so it's going to just give me the new version of 2.6 branch right? I'll have to switch to 3 myself, right? |
| 23:21.25 | pipegeek | abrotman: if the piece of software in question writes to the middle of an existing file, that'll still work |
| 23:21.45 | pipegeek | anyway, I had an idea that gets me part of what I want |
| 23:21.49 | jordanm | yes, .39 is the newest kernel backported to squeeze |
| 23:22.19 | DeM0nFiRe | ok |
| 23:22.44 | abrotman | pipegeek: uhm .. if your program writes to the middle of an existing file .. wouldn't that signify a much larger problem ? |
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| 23:24.46 | Alazare619 | calling for help with an init.d script http://pastebin.com/fAffGpnV current errors/warnings when trying to update it with rc.d http://pastebin.com/PyymgDc4 |
| 23:25.07 | user___ | !tell user___ package recompile |
| 23:25.11 | pipegeek | abrotman: what makes you say that? |
| 23:25.19 | themill | Alazare619: didn't you just declare it all to be fixed and working? |
| 23:25.31 | abrotman | pipegeek: writing to someone else's file? |
| 23:25.39 | abrotman | !tell user___ about selftell |
| 23:25.44 | jordanm | pipegeek: what if two of your programs get executed at the same time? |
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| 23:27.24 | pipegeek | abrotman, jordanm: I think either I misspoke or you're missing the point. If this program has a file open that it's doing things to, and someone fills up the filesystem with zeroes, that still won't prevent this program from continuing to do things to the data in this file (so long as it doesn't grow) |
| 23:27.41 | np_complete | hi there my felas... |
| 23:27.53 | Alazare619 | calling for help with an init.d script http://pastebin.com/fAffGpnV current errors/warnings when trying to update it with rc.d http://pastebin.com/PyymgDc4 |
| 23:27.57 | abrotman | pipegeek: correct |
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| 23:28.19 | pipegeek | abrotman: which is why filling the filesystem with zeroes wouldn't help |
| 23:28.27 | abrotman | pipegeek: but ... depending how the app works, it may not work at all .. if it copies it to a temp workspace before saving, you'd be out of luck |
| 23:28.34 | jordanm | pipegeek: /dev/full |
| 23:28.53 | pipegeek | sure, it probably will break, and that is a failure case worth testing |
| 23:28.57 | np_complete | I copy paste my apt sources lines, but replace "deb" with "deb-amd64", just to be able to get amb64 compiler and libs, for cross compiling, but when I perform an "apt-get update" it says it can not recognisse "deb-amd64", wth? |
| 23:28.59 | pipegeek | but it's not the exactly the same |
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| 23:29.29 | themill | np_complete: where did you read that you should do that? |
| 23:29.53 | pipegeek | anyway, I'll keep poking. thanks for the ideas |
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| 23:31.04 | np_complete | <themill> I made up that. using my wasted brain. |
| 23:31.58 | abrotman | heh |
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| 23:34.14 | np_complete | I have a mirror with both, i386 and amd64 binaries... |
| 23:34.32 | np_complete | I want to use distcc, but one computer is i386 and the other is amd64... |
| 23:34.59 | np_complete | so I intend to install amd64 dev stuff in that i386 machine.... |
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| 23:35.19 | chaospsychex | ahoy |
| 23:35.51 | chaospsychex | is there a command to check my laptops battery status outside of X-gnome ? |
| 23:36.11 | zykotick9 | chaospsychex: "acpi" in cli might work |
| 23:36.12 | themill | chaospsychex: acpi |
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| 23:36.25 | chaospsychex | ok |
| 23:36.42 | np_complete | does it make sense? |
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| 23:38.23 | np_complete | <chaospsychex> U can check the /proc fs |
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| 23:39.49 | np_complete | laptop cpu at 87 C... it that too much? |
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| 23:40.49 | AllStruck | is there a CIDR notation that will match all IP addresses? |
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| 23:41.05 | AllStruck | np_complete: depends on the chip, look up the specs |
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| 23:42.39 | Some_Person | I'm pretty sure this is not how GNOME 3 is supposed to look: http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/4295/screenshotat20120116140.png |
| 23:42.45 | Some_Person | How do I fix it? |
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| 23:43.04 | jordanm | AllStruck: 0.0.0.0/0? |
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| 23:43.31 | jordanm | Some_Person: what's wrong with it? |
| 23:43.39 | AllStruck | thanks jordanm, needed confirmation |
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| 23:43.55 | Some_Person | jordanm: The window borders look like clearlooks rather than GNOME 3 style |
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| 23:44.21 | ironcamel | does debian default to gnome3/gnome-shell? |
| 23:44.44 | Some_Person | ironcamel: wheezy does, squeeze uses gnome2 |
| 23:44.49 | ironcamel | yuck |
| 23:45.09 | vagocpp | ON my laptop i commonly plug in the HDMI to my desktop screen (since my laptop is more powerful than my desktop). If I boot with it plugged in, it works at limited resolution but when plugged in after boot there is no recognition. What might be a cause? |
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| 23:46.31 | Some_Person | So how can I fix the WM to use the correct borders? |
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| 23:49.41 | konradb | hi |
| 23:49.49 | konradb | i have only 1 screen... |
| 23:49.56 | konradb | and i cant add it in compiz |
| 23:49.58 | zykotick9 | Some_Person: what's wrong with the boarders? You screenshot looks fine to me? |
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| 23:50.09 | konradb | how can i add screens? |
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| 23:50.34 | jordanm | konradb: you mean 1 desktop workspace? |
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| 23:50.50 | konradb | yes |
| 23:50.52 | konradb | ;p |
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| 23:51.14 | jordanm | konradb: ccsm -> general options -> "desktop size" |
| 23:51.21 | PerfDave | Anybody aware of problems with mediawiki following a lenny -> squeeze upgrade? Seems that the database schema didn't get updated. |
| 23:51.37 | konradb | jordanm: |
| 23:51.42 | konradb | jordanm: i can add more |
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| 23:51.52 | konradb | can't * |
| 23:51.53 | konradb | :P |
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| 23:52.08 | vagocpp | Is there a kernel 3.x upgrade for 6.0.3amd64? |
| 23:52.09 | jordanm | what happen when you adjust desktop size? |
| 23:52.22 | jordanm | vagocpp: no, 39 is the latest backported |
| 23:52.29 | Some_Person | zykotick9: It should look more like this (without the old clearlooks borders): http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-w7L8OyUjKdc/TuyJaM5YkPI/AAAAAAAAARM/KPq2F6hALQc/s1600/Screenshot+at+2011-12-17+14%253A10%253A05.png |
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| 23:52.48 | konradb | nothing, i cant give more than 1 |
| 23:52.50 | vagocpp | jordanm: for 6.0.4 will there be a 3.x? (if you know) |
| 23:52.59 | jordanm | vagocpp: no idea |
| 23:53.29 | PerfDave | vagocpp: There will never be an official 3.x in Debian 6. |
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| 23:53.45 | PerfDave | vagocpp: Point releases of Debian 6 include security patches, not newer versions. |
| 23:54.09 | vagocpp | PerfDave: hmm, okay |
| 23:54.17 | jordanm | there are backported kernels |
| 23:54.23 | ROKO__ | so guys |
| 23:54.32 | ROKO__ | after some recompilations of kernel |
| 23:54.34 | ROKO__ | http://pastebin.calculate-linux.org/en/show/2582 |
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| 23:55.21 | abrotman | PerfDave: nothing in the upgrade notes? |
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| 23:55.47 | PerfDave | abrotman: I'm looking through /usr/share/docs/mediawiki but don't see anything |
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| 23:56.49 | chaospsychex | if i'm using irssi what's the command to ignore when people join/quit from being printed on the screen in #debian ? |
| 23:56.50 | abrotman | PerfDave: i feel like i saw something relating to that recently on planet.d.n, but can't find it |
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| 23:58.11 | PerfDave | chaospsychex: /help ignore |
| 23:58.17 | Sebus | Good evening, I've got a question... errrmmm... I've picked up lot of junk during aptitude update... http://wklej.org/id/670985/ |
| 23:58.30 | themill | PerfDave: sounds like the sort of thing that deserves a NEWS.Debian.gz entry :( It might also be worthwhile looking over the postinst to see if there was something there that was missed |
| 23:58.32 | Sebus | Is this something with software or hardware failure |
| 23:58.37 | Sebus | ? |
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| 23:59.45 | PerfDave | Sebus: That's not a good sign. what does "Unicestwiony |
| 23:59.47 | PerfDave | " mean? |
| 23:59.52 | chaospsychex | lol |
