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| 00:02.08 | Some_Person | Ugh, but still not good: http://paste.debian.net/152768/ |
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| 00:05.37 | sacredchao | When I try to output a ² character to the terminal, the prompt disappears and writes (arg: 2) |
| 00:05.49 | sacredchao | instead of the prompt, and my cursor moves over the to the left too |
| 00:05.55 | sacredchao | This happens on my Debian server but not my client |
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| 00:06.53 | tvm | some_person: output of sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda ? |
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| 00:13.26 | ParkerR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh6xWIjW3mM |
| 00:13.35 | Some_Person | Weird |
| 00:14.08 | Some_Person | I ran fsck again, and it claimed to fix something. Rebooted, fsck ran during boot, claimed to fix something again. Rebooted again, and it booted correctly |
| 00:14.18 | abrotman | win! |
| 00:14.30 | nkuttler | backup time! |
| 00:14.38 | geofridh | fsck often needs to run a few times |
| 00:14.52 | zykotick9 | sacredchao: if you use xterm, try holding CTRL then left clicking in the terminal - verify if "Meta Sends Escape" is checked or not. Try whatever it's not right now. |
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| 00:27.56 | Vasistha | is there a way to make dpkg-scanpackages only scan in the current directory, omitting subdirectories? |
| 00:28.09 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: why are you using dpkg-scanpackages? |
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| 00:28.32 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: to make a trivial repo so I can share custom built packages with a number of machines I maintain |
| 00:28.37 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: you're probably better off using apt-ftparchive |
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| 00:29.23 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: heh. I've usually used dpkg-scanpackages because it's faster :-) but for this particular repo I don't mind the time, it's like 20 seconds as opposed to 8 minutes |
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| 00:29.53 | abrotman | reprepro ? |
| 00:30.11 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: you probably should be using the --db option to apt-ftparchive if time is a big deal. |
| 00:31.15 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: ahh... does that mean that the scan operation would then only scan new items, and pull old ones from the db? |
| 00:31.30 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: right |
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| 00:31.38 | Vasistha | oh, that is nice! |
| 00:31.59 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: at any rate, I don't see any option in apt-ftparchive to *not* recurse into subdirs :P |
| 00:32.00 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: you can see a very simple example of how to do this here: http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/bin/build_archive |
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| 00:32.10 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: well, you almost always want it to do that |
| 00:32.26 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: except in this case I don't :P |
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| 00:32.56 | Vasistha | I tried putting a dot in front of the directory name but that didn't fool it :) I guess I just have to but the "skip packages" directory somewhere else |
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| 00:33.39 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: or just use the FileList option |
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| 00:37.52 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: thanks much for your advice and that great little example. I'm curious, why don't you gpg-sign the release? |
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| 00:39.08 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: because I don't want other people trusting it |
| 00:39.19 | Vasistha | ahha, that makes sense |
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| 00:42.28 | dondelelcaro | but that said, it'd be perfectly ok to sign it with a key that wasn't meant to be trusted by others... I just haven't really bothered |
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| 00:44.39 | Vasistha | one other question, is it possible to get a list of packages that "aptitude autoclean" would remove, without actually removing them? |
| 00:44.54 | themill | Vasistha: aptitude search ~g |
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| 00:45.09 | Vasistha | wow, so easy, that's wonderful, thanks |
| 00:45.32 | themill | Vasistha: for more information on aptitude's search terms, /msg dpkg aptitude search |
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| 00:47.50 | tharkun | Gentlemen there used to be a debian channel where sony ps3 arquitechture was discussed, can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 00:49.44 | Vasistha | tharkun: I don't know anything about it, but it's probably gonna be on oftc |
| 00:52.29 | Vasistha | themill: well, ~o comes a little closer than ~g, but it still doesn't list e.g. older versions of .deb files that would be removed by aptitude autoclean -- perhaps my original question was a little unclear. I'm looking for a list of .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives that would be deleted by a call to aptitude autoclean |
| 00:52.57 | themill | Vasistha: oh sorry... autoclean. I was thinking autoremove. |
| 00:53.17 | Vasistha | I could just ln /var/cache/apt/archive/* /some/tmp/dir, run aptitude autoclean, and see the diff, but ... there must be a better way?? |
| 00:54.22 | tharkun | Vasistha: Thanks |
| 00:54.46 | abrotman | !tell tharkun about ppc |
| 00:55.06 | abrotman | tharkun: also http://wiki.debian.org/PS3 |
| 00:55.26 | abrotman | wow .. apparently there is a #debian-ps3 |
| 00:55.39 | abrotman | oh .. wiht one person |
| 00:56.05 | themill | Vasistha: aptitude -s autoclean |
| 00:56.43 | Vasistha | themill: aha! that is perfect, thanks |
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| 01:00.29 | tharkun | abrotman: thanks also |
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| 01:03.17 | tharkun | abrotman: FWIW PS3 uses a Ibm's Cell processor a totally different beast from the powerpc (It is the 200 kg gorilla in the room) :) |
| 01:05.15 | tharkun | hugs abrotman |
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| 01:06.56 | babak | Im running a raid and I moved my home folder there, but now when I boot it says its degraded. If I check it with mdadm -D it shows the state as clean. whats going on? |
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| 02:11.27 | nemysis | helllo |
| 02:11.50 | dvs | hey |
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| 02:23.17 | lapsusbrutus | howdy |
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| 02:28.53 | un214 | so I get "creating compatbility symlink from /etc/mtab -> /proc/mounts" |
| 02:28.58 | un214 | that is a *bad* idea |
| 02:29.27 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 02:29.56 | un214 | fsck-like tools try to open /etc/mtab read-write and assume it's untrustworthy if it cannot be opened for write |
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| 02:30.54 | un214 | /proc/mounts cannot be opened for write |
| 02:31.10 | un214 | thus resulting in excessive risk of fscking a mounted filesystem |
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| 02:41.12 | un214 | the right way to do it is here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=53829 |
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| 02:43.53 | qxt | I use wireshark a lot on other *nix. On Debian the insure "sudo wireshark" does not work. Says and makes sense work work as root. Kind seem to find dumpcap in synaptic. |
| 02:44.44 | un214 | tried gtksu? |
| 02:45.52 | qxt | un214 all the same that is going to give root to wireshark. Seems you don't have to do that anymore. |
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| 02:46.51 | un214 | I would find that really dangerous if wireshark works as nonroot on any system other than a single user one |
| 02:49.13 | qxt | un214 the splash screen say - Running as user "root" and group "root". you may want to be aware that there is a better way documented at /usr/share/doc/wireshark-common/README.Debian |
| 02:49.40 | NapHtaKeRoSene | hi |
| 02:49.41 | NapHtaKeRoSene | what is your opinion about sed -E 's;(^|[^a-zA-Z0-9_]*)(([a-zA-Z0-9_]*)|(\( *\*[a-zA-Z0-9_]+\)))(\( *)();\1\x1B[31m\2\x1B[0m\5;g' < './parsetest.c' |
| 02:49.51 | abrotman | NapHtaKeRoSene: ask #sed |
| 02:50.02 | NapHtaKeRoSene | tha's idle |
| 02:50.04 | qxt | Installing dumpcap and allowing non-root users to capture packets |
| 02:50.07 | abrotman | NapHtaKeRoSene: so wait |
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| 02:50.30 | qxt | Thing is that I cant find dumpcat in the repos |
| 02:50.34 | NapHtaKeRoSene | abrotman<< i don't need any help. |
| 02:50.55 | abrotman | then why would you ask |
| 02:51.14 | NapHtaKeRoSene | asked about opinions |
| 02:51.23 | abrotman | looks great .. thanks for stopping by |
| 02:51.43 | qxt | Everybody wants to tan you your glory abrotman =) |
| 02:51.51 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 02:52.08 | dvs | he's not Snooki |
| 02:52.20 | qxt | :) Well you know your shit |
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| 03:04.52 | qxt | NICE solved the Debian recomendation of not running wireshark as root. Do a "dpkg-reconfigure wireshark-common" tell it to allow non root users to use WS. Add yourself to the wireshark group |
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| 03:14.17 | vagoth | Hey, currently I am on my windows sys, I wiped my ubuntu the other day for debain squeeze, however i am having a problem with resolution, it naturally sets to 800x600 and with work i can get 1024x768 but not the native resolution of 1366x768, I belive that it is driver based (Intel driver) since the only driver that functions is the vesa driver, driver problem? |
| 03:14.30 | mactimes | Hey. Could someone give me a hand setting up usb-UC-LOGIC_Tablet_WP5540U on Squeeze? |
| 03:15.11 | abrotman | vagoth: you sohld know your VGA device |
| 03:15.22 | abrotman | vagoth: in windows, use the device manager to find out |
| 03:15.29 | abrotman | vagoth: how new is the system ? |
| 03:15.35 | vagoth | abrotman: newish |
| 03:15.58 | abrotman | in the last year? |
| 03:16.12 | vagoth | abrotman: one problem is it has 2 graphics devices, 1 intel intergated, the other nvidia. Near as I can tell the intel controls the laptop screen |
| 03:16.57 | vagoth | abrotman: I am unsure of it's make date but i bought it christmas last year |
| 03:17.16 | abrotman | ok |
| 03:17.28 | zykotick9 | doesn't understand the point to these hybrid laptop graphics cards |
| 03:17.31 | abrotman | you may need to enable backports.debian.org and use the kernel and intel driver from there |
| 03:18.51 | vagoth | abrotman: ubuntu 11.10 has very few problems with the screen so I am sure its because of the driver |
| 03:19.26 | abrotman | vagoth: okay .. well .. there are instructions at backports.debian.org .. there is a newer kernel and xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 03:20.04 | vagoth | abrotman: okay, cool. Also need to get firmware for my wireless before i can download anything =p but that aint too hard |
| 03:20.19 | abrotman | vagoth: which is it? |
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| 03:21.38 | vagoth | abrotman: working that out, installer mentioned a name&number that i stupidly ignored, rtlXXXX from what i can remember |
| 03:22.09 | dsdeiz | hi there, is there a program like hardinfo but is text based? |
| 03:22.45 | abrotman | vagoth: windows can get that |
| 03:22.50 | abrotman | !tell dsdeiz about whats my hardware |
| 03:23.50 | dsdeiz | ty |
| 03:24.00 | vagoth | abrotman: it's intel name is "Intel Centrino Wireless-N 100" |
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| 03:24.31 | abrotman | vagoth: you're going to need a newer kernel and firmware from backports.debian.org for that |
| 03:24.47 | abrotman | !tell vagoth about iwlagn |
| 03:25.04 | abrotman | i hope that'll work for you |
| 03:25.09 | abrotman | !tell vagoth about bpo |
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| 03:25.38 | nsadmin | I'm running squeeze and kde, last update a week or two ago, I may have lost either the synaptic driver or the synaptic config tray applet... how to get either/both back? |
| 03:25.56 | nsadmin | and/or find out why they're gone? |
| 03:26.01 | vagoth | abrotman: well the device has full function on Ubuntu (even packet injection), its just a matter of setting it up for the debian kernel, yes? |
| 03:26.21 | abrotman | vagoth: right |
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| 03:27.21 | bruce | Hello Debs and Debettes... |
| 03:27.31 | dvs | zzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 03:27.35 | nsadmin | I thoiught a deb was a debette |
| 03:27.55 | nsadmin | as in deborah |
| 03:27.55 | vagoth | abrotman: how much of this will break my offline dvds ( i do not have internet at home), meaning the intel driver for the graphics and the firmware + kernel |
| 03:28.00 | bruce | Guess I should said debbers and debettes.. |
| 03:28.14 | nsadmin | or debbers and debbees? |
| 03:29.14 | bruce | Just installed my firstr shot at Debian... Worked on first try... Messed with DSL for a day or two, then decided to take the plunge and go the fuill system... |
| 03:29.18 | abrotman | vagoth: should be okay .. you're only grabbing a few packages from backports |
| 03:29.57 | nsadmin | so in any case bruce, sounds good so far,,, need help with something? |
| 03:30.15 | vagoth | abrotman: okay, can the kernel upgrade be done with a run of dpkg? |
| 03:30.52 | abrotman | vagoth: it can, yes |
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| 03:30.56 | bruce | Took almost 4 hours to download just the first CD ISO (no way to connect the Deb box to the internet at this time...), so what I need to find is a file listing or package listing of all the 52 disks, so I can peruse them and choose wisely which ISO do download next.. Any thoughts ? |
| 03:31.06 | vagoth | abrotman: excellent, thankyou for all your help |
| 03:31.07 | abrotman | vagoth: it'd be easier to do if you had internet access for a bit |
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| 03:31.21 | vagoth | abrotman: well, i need to install the kernel to get internet access |
| 03:31.25 | dvs | bruce: that's nuts |
| 03:31.35 | bruce | yes.. it is... |
| 03:31.39 | abrotman | vagoth: you said you had no internet at home ? |
| 03:31.39 | bruce | thank you |
| 03:31.47 | nsadmin | well there is apt-file, and while it is a list, you can use that |
| 03:31.55 | nsadmin | it maps files to packages |
| 03:31.59 | vagoth | abrotman: at a relatives, they have wireless and no ethernet cables |
| 03:32.05 | abrotman | vagoth: oh jeez .. okay |
| 03:32.40 | bruce | OK.. so if I wanted to install 'mc', to find out which CD ISO in is ini, I would use 'apt-file' ? |
| 03:32.45 | vagoth | abrotman: so priority 1 is getting wireless up (via a beautiful 800x600 screen), then upgrading the intel driver |
| 03:32.58 | nsadmin | but what is closer to what you might want, there;s a way to have aptitude build a list of packages it needs, you take this list to an online machine, and run it (t's a download script) |
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| 03:33.06 | nsadmin | and take the package files you get back |
| 03:33.13 | nsadmin | then you can install them |
| 03:33.23 | abrotman | vagoth: hehe, okay .. |
| 03:33.34 | nsadmin | now the thing is, I don't know exactly what to type to make that happen |
| 03:33.42 | bruce | is aptitude in the basic install of the first ISO ? |
| 03:33.43 | abrotman | vagoth: you could just try grabbing the firmware-iwlwifi package from packages.debian.org and installing it .. it might just work |
| 03:33.47 | abrotman | bruce: yes |
| 03:34.04 | nsadmin | actually it should be in the first, yes |
| 03:34.11 | vagoth | abrotman: hmm, worth a shot |
| 03:34.24 | bruce | OK.. I'll run downstairs and open a term to see if I can 'which' it.. |
| 03:34.48 | bruce | brb |
| 03:34.49 | nsadmin | bruce, curious, what has you not want to have this box on the net? |
| 03:34.57 | bruce | is AFK |
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| 03:35.40 | nsadmin | oh, maybe it's the upstairs/downstairs + lack of cable issue |
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| 03:46.23 | nsadmin | is it true on some hardware that the touchpad is not interrupt driven? |
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| 03:47.15 | bruce | is back from the basement... No Joy there.. Found and ran the 'aptitude' utility, but it looks like the only resources it lists are the ones on the first ISO disk image - the one that is already installed... Back to looking for a master list of all the packages (like Slackwares MANIFEST file, and FILELIST for ALL disks that is provided on the first disk. |
| 03:47.40 | bruce | ) |
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| 03:48.30 | nsadmin | bruce, curious, what has you not want to have this box on the net? |
| 03:49.28 | bruce | It will eventually be online, but I don't have a CAT line running to the basement, nor a wireless NIC for that box yet.. and all attempts to use my Ubuntu Natty Netbook as a bridge have failed.. :( |
| 03:49.53 | abrotman | ipmasq :( |
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| 03:50.16 | nsadmin | is ipmasq back?? |
| 03:50.19 | bruce | hmmm.... a good thought |
| 03:50.34 | nsadmin | otherwise I have source |
| 03:50.39 | dvs | ,versions ipmasq |
| 03:50.40 | judd | Package: ipmasq on i386 -- lenny: 4.0.8-7 |
| 03:50.41 | abrotman | nsadmin: no .. that's why i frowned |
| 03:51.05 | bruce | Oh.. a BAD thought... |
| 03:51.10 | nsadmin | since I have the source and you can go back and get lenny source, you can build a package of it |
| 03:51.22 | nsadmin | nono, it's very doable |
| 03:51.34 | abrotman | but that's a problem for #ubuntu |
| 03:51.50 | nsadmin | hmm... maybe they kept ipmasq\ |
| 03:51.55 | bruce | You got that right... I found very little help there... |
| 03:52.06 | abrotman | nsadmin: nope |
| 03:52.12 | abrotman | and still not a #debian problem |
| 03:52.14 | bruce | I'll check the netbook and see if it's avail |
| 03:53.07 | nsadmin | bruce, you can probably at least broach any ubuntu subject on #debian-offtopic, but I still think not the greatest idea |
| 03:53.15 | bruce | so, back to the Debian ?? Is there a master filelist or package list that I can d/l that is smaller than an ISO ? |
| 03:53.59 | abrotman | for what purpose? |
| 03:54.08 | nsadmin | abrotman, what's that offline package install thing? |
| 03:54.13 | abrotman | !apt-zip |
| 03:54.13 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip |
| 03:54.32 | bruce | to find out which ISO the package is in that I desire... |
| 03:54.33 | nsadmin | there ya go |
| 03:54.43 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 03:54.43 | dpkg | To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/list-cd/). |
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| 03:55.35 | bruce | Not that sounds like what I'm looking for... |
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| 03:56.06 | nsadmin | this ubuntu box, it does have net? |
| 03:56.18 | abrotman | nsadmin: wrong channel .. seriously |
| 03:56.21 | nsadmin | if so you can probably use it to actually grab packages |
| 03:56.50 | abrotman | he's just going to download ISOs .. i'd probably run at get a cable instead :) |
| 03:56.54 | bruce | yes.. my netbook is WiFi, and I have a WiFi Router here in the house.. |
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| 03:57.54 | nsadmin | then, you probably got a workable thing without needing isos... get apt-zip, install it on the debian box, read the docs, see what you would need on the box that is connected, install that, and you're golden |
| 03:57.59 | bruce | abrotman: I'll be doing that, but since the run is to the basement, I'll need to tear up some walls and pull cable for that. |
| 03:58.21 | bruce | sounds like a plan, guys... |
| 03:58.30 | abrotman | bruce: sounds like something to do tonight? :) |
| 03:58.36 | nsadmin | can you burn cds on either box? |
| 03:59.17 | nsadmin | well, be careful about tearing up load-bearing walls... you don't want your house falling over |
| 03:59.25 | bruce | abrotman: Yes..... I burnt the original ISO for the first disk on THIS (Slack) box - the main server... |
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| 03:59.50 | bruce | nsadmin: with all the earthquakes we get here that is a definate possibility.. |
| 03:59.54 | nsadmin | then, there might be another box you can use with apt-zip |
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| 04:00.45 | bruce | are there going to be a lot of depends with the apt-zip util ? |
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| 04:01.02 | bruce | or is it a binary with static libs ? |
| 04:01.02 | nsadmin | , depends apt-zip |
| 04:01.04 | judd | Package apt-zip in squeeze/i386 -- depends: apt (>= 0.7.7). |
| 04:01.18 | nsadmin | doesn't look that way :) |
| 04:01.26 | bruce | \I should already have that, if I have apt-get, yes ? |
| 04:01.53 | nsadmin | umm, on the debian box, type dpkg -s apt |
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| 04:02.06 | nsadmin | you should get a line that says install ok installed |
| 04:02.17 | bruce | OK.. going to get the apt-zip bin, and see what kind of trouble I can get into.. |
| 04:02.53 | nsadmin | one concern I have is that downloading an iso is really inefficient for mirror sites |
| 04:03.41 | bruce | very true... I guess I can use torrent from the netbook, then transfer the ISO to the main server to burn the CD.. |
| 04:03.41 | nsadmin | downloading packages, otoh, which you would be doing with apt-zip, is way more efficient |
| 04:04.28 | nsadmin | I'd rather piss abrotman off a little by discussing any possible way you can avoid them, than having you actually download all the images |
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| 04:05.18 | bruce | Now once I get the ISO I want (let's just say it is #33), and get it burned, what is the utility to call from within Debian to bring up the pkg-add util to do the job ? |
| 04:05.42 | nsadmin | I believe not getting that going for you or assisting you so you can do it yourself, is a failure to serve |
| 04:05.49 | bruce | D/l all the ISO's is NOT an option.. |
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| 04:06.19 | nsadmin | as implied, I agree |
| 04:06.22 | justjealouse | hey if I have a debian partition taking up the whole hard drive, can I safely cut a piece of that off to form enough space for a second os? |
| 04:06.23 | bruce | Oh.. yoiu mean there is a learning curve ?? |
| 04:06.48 | nsadmin | really shallow and short if anything |
| 04:06.55 | bruce | LOL |
| 04:07.48 | bruce | Thanks gobs NS... And you too, abrotman... I'll get the hang of this or hang in the process.. |
| 04:08.00 | bruce | ttfn. |
| 04:08.04 | nsadmin | justjealouse, you have like sda1 with it? or what is it called? |
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| 04:08.17 | bruce | is AFK |
| 04:08.19 | nsadmin | bruce: luck |
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| 04:29.59 | skilz | Anyone know if it's possible to shade/shadow text in URXVT? |
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| 04:33.52 | fdbalder | what's the easiest way of reaching the boot menu environment in syslinux? i am currently in bash, and the loading of the usb device with syslinux was a little slow, so i wonder whether there is a trick to avoid full reboot |
| 04:34.08 | nsadmin | skilz, it would be much easier to do that kind of thing with a bitmap-style graphic display |
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| 04:34.58 | nsadmin | skilz, on the other hand, maybe you could try your hand at designing fonts for it with the exact glyphs you want |
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| 04:39.52 | fdbalder | hello? |
| 04:40.16 | technologov_ | ask |
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| 04:41.12 | nsadmin | balder, don't you have a gate? |
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| 04:41.40 | nsadmin | never mind... you must get that from time to time... :) |
| 04:41.49 | LinuxApprentice | is there a CLI pdf reader? |
| 04:42.22 | jordanm | cat? |
| 04:42.23 | nsadmin | there might be a pdf -> text thing |
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| 04:42.59 | jordanm | http://linuxers.org/howto/how-open-pdf-files-linux-console-using-fbgs-framebuffer-pdf-viewer |
| 04:43.09 | fdbalder | heh |
| 04:43.18 | jordanm | ghostscript can do pdf -> text. anyways the above came up in google |
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| 04:43.34 | LinuxApprentice | yeah i had seen that, not exactly what i'm looking for |
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| 04:44.09 | jordanm | LinuxApprentice: why is that? |
| 04:44.27 | justjealouse | nsadmin sorry about that, i dont know where to see sda1, its called the master boot record though if that helps |
| 04:44.28 | jordanm | oh, apparently that program in the link does use ghostscript |
| 04:44.45 | technologov_ | FB is not true CLI... |
| 04:44.57 | technologov_ | it will fail if yo work over SSH |
| 04:45.00 | technologov_ | or something |
| 04:45.01 | justjealouse | what is CLI |
| 04:45.11 | technologov_ | CLI=command-line interface |
| 04:45.26 | technologov_ | GUI=graphical user interface (like KDE) |
| 04:45.33 | LinuxApprentice | cli, shell, terminal. they are all the same? |
| 04:45.45 | technologov_ | related, not same. |
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| 04:45.53 | technologov_ | similar |
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| 04:45.58 | LinuxApprentice | what is the TTY, a cli? |
| 04:46.07 | technologov_ | y. |
| 04:46.20 | technologov_ | tty+shell = CLI |
| 04:46.35 | LinuxApprentice | what does tty stand for ? |
| 04:46.43 | fdbalder | whether there is a command to reach the syslinux boot menu without having to reboot? |
| 04:46.55 | fdbalder | since it loaded quite slowly, it is on a usb device |
| 04:47.18 | lstarnes | fdbalder: you usually have to reboot to return to the bootloader |
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| 04:47.27 | technologov_ | LinuxApprentice, look in WikiPedia |
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| 04:47.41 | lstarnes | s/usually/always/ |
| 04:49.37 | lkthomas | does kerberos support user grouping ? |
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| 04:51.25 | fdbalder | lstarnes, yeah i confused two different stages |
| 04:52.26 | Rusty1 | lkthomas: there appears to be a #kerberos channel FWIW |
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| 06:11.10 | kingsley | How would you watch a movie that's on a DVD? |
| 06:11.21 | Shadur | mplayer. |
| 06:11.39 | Shadur | Or handbrake -> convert to iPad format and load it on my iPad to watch while on the train. |
| 06:12.21 | hendrikz | VLC |
| 06:14.54 | zykotick9 | kingsley: if it's a commercial dvd you might need libdvdcss2 from debian-multimedia |
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| 06:24.43 | cpaq | hi |
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| 07:10.11 | elfranne | i have extended a lvm volume by adding a partition of a hdd, ntfs in my case and it was not empty, now i got a problem that it seems to be full and i cannot delete it anymore because i don t have this much space on the original volume |
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| 07:10.57 | elfranne | using /usr/bin/system-config-lvm |
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| 07:12.36 | Vasistha | elfranne: you are saying you... added a non-empty partition to your lvm, and now the files were on it before it was added are considered part of the logical volume? |
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| 07:15.05 | elfranne | Vasistha: not the files, because it was ntfs, but i think it see the whole partition with one BIG file |
| 07:15.35 | Vasistha | elfranne: what does ls -l show? |
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| 07:16.10 | valdyn | elfranne: it does not matter if it was ntfs or whatever |
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| 07:17.19 | elfranne | ls -l where ? |
| 07:19.17 | Vasistha | elfranne: okay, how about df ? I'd just like to see the report from the os that says that the partition is now such-and-such size with so much used/free space ... or du |
| 07:19.36 | jelly-home | elfranne: pastebin the outputs of "df" and "vgdisplay -v", for a start |
| 07:19.44 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 07:19.44 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
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| 07:21.18 | elfranne | df -h : /dev/mapper/server-data 2,1T 1,7T 212G 90% /mnt/data |
| 07:23.35 | elfranne | i think i was panicking without reason because the free space is here but on vgdisplay is was not exactly showed as simple |
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| 07:30.55 | nadley | hi all |
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| 07:36.43 | wreiner | good morning. i've cloned a harddisc with a boot partition (sda1) and a lvm partition (sda2) with the rootvg root_vg to another disc. therefor i had to rename the vg to rootvg, also the uuid of the boot partition changed. what would be the best way to reinstall grub to adopt to this new environment? i supose a simple grub-reinstall will not do the job .. |
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| 07:48.16 | kareem | my friend edited a file to disable log-in root via ssh, how can i re-enable it? |
| 07:48.55 | ChrisH | kareem: edit sshd-config, search for Root. But do you really want to enable it? |
| 07:49.15 | wreiner | in /etc/ssh/sshd_config "PermitRootLogin yes" |
| 07:49.15 | kareem | yes, just to own him :P |
| 07:49.25 | kareem | man, you guys are quick |
| 07:49.27 | kareem | let me try that |
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| 07:50.25 | wreiner | don't forget to reload the ssh daemon |
| 07:50.50 | kareem | wreiner, i can only find PermitLocalCommand |
| 07:50.54 | kareem | is that the same? |
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| 07:51.28 | wreiner | i don't think so |
| 07:51.41 | nadley | I'm trying to build an .iso image from a copy (no modified) of the original debian-i386-CD1.iso using this command line from the top directory where my copy is (aka SourceCD) http://pastebin.com/NNS9RKKH. At the end I have a image file I can boot on it but the installer say it is not a valid CD. |
| 07:52.02 | kareem | wreiner, should i try adding it in? |
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| 07:52.15 | wreiner | yeah try it |
| 07:52.20 | wreiner | also search for Root |
| 07:52.47 | kareem | wreiner, i wasn't on sshd one |
| 07:52.57 | wreiner | ah i see |
| 07:53.22 | wreiner | you opened ssh_config just found it in the man page |
| 07:53.23 | wreiner | :) |
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| 07:56.07 | kareem | yup wreiner, i found it :) |
| 07:56.24 | kareem | but he changed the root password too |
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| 07:56.29 | kareem | is there anyway i can change that? |
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| 07:59.03 | kareem | darn he left |
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| 07:59.25 | kareem | ChrisH, do you possible know? |
| 07:59.49 | cpaq | there is this program to create a usb boot disk, anyone know what its called off hand? |
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| 08:01.40 | cpaq | rather than cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX |
| 08:02.09 | kareem | cpaq, try unetbootin |
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| 08:02.26 | cpaq | kareem, thx |
| 08:02.33 | kareem | np |
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| 08:05.43 | kareem | anybody? |
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| 08:09.08 | technologov_ | kareem, about SSH? |
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| 08:09.53 | technologov_ | kareem, edit "/etc/ssh/sshd_config" and restart SSH service |
| 08:10.06 | skilz | Whats the name of the xfont selection program? |
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| 08:10.34 | DelTree | xfontsel ? |
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| 08:11.46 | kareem | technologov_, yes |
| 08:11.51 | kareem | i enabled it in the sshd files |
| 08:11.57 | kareem | but i still get access denied |
| 08:12.18 | technologov_ | # /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 08:12.27 | jklo | Hello people. Does someone know where I can get a little, cheap, used computer for filesharing? I'm living in Austria. |
| 08:12.35 | kareem | where do i enter that technologov_? |
| 08:12.50 | technologov_ | in bash of the SSH server... |
| 08:12.53 | DelTree | disallowing root from ssh is *great* idea... |
| 08:12.55 | kareem | jklo, maybe try craiglist if you guys have that? |
| 08:13.13 | DelTree | but... in case you really want to enable it *sigh*... it's in the pam... |
| 08:13.19 | kareem | it probably is, i just want to outsmart my friend |
| 08:13.37 | kareem | can i just use the command reboot or no? |
| 08:13.48 | DelTree | ? |
| 08:14.02 | technologov_ | better use my command |
| 08:14.05 | jklo | kareem: yeah thank you very much |
| 08:14.07 | kareem | o it's a command |
| 08:14.08 | kareem | ok |
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| 08:14.34 | kareem | does it take long? |
| 08:14.37 | kareem | because it seemed like instant |
| 08:14.47 | technologov_ | # /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 08:14.53 | technologov_ | =instant |
| 08:15.11 | kareem | darn |
| 08:15.15 | kareem | access is still denied |
| 08:15.32 | kareem | exit |
| 08:15.40 | kareem | oops wrong window |
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| 08:16.21 | kareem | this is what i have the sshd file: # Authentication: |
| 08:16.21 | kareem | LoginGraceTime 120 |
| 08:16.21 | kareem | PermitRootLogin yes |
| 08:16.21 | kareem | StrictModes yes |
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| 08:16.53 | technologov_ | !pastebin | kareem |
| 08:16.59 | technologov_ | use pastebin ! |
| 08:17.02 | kareem | yes, just realized that lol |
| 08:17.49 | nadley | nobody to help me ? |
| 08:18.01 | kareem | technologov_, is it possible to change the root pwd? |
| 08:18.04 | kareem | without root access |
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| 08:18.22 | technologov_ | kareem, y, if you boot from live CD/DVD |
| 08:18.30 | technologov_ | nadley, ask |
| 08:18.52 | kareem | because i think my friend changed it |
| 08:19.01 | kareem | it's on a laptop in another room |
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| 08:19.08 | kareem | i gave him access and he did that |
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| 08:20.32 | nadley | technologov_: I'm trying to build an .iso image from a copy (no modified) of the original debian-i386-CD1.iso using this command line from the top directory where my copy is (aka SourceCD) http://pastebin.com/NNS9RKKH. At the end I have a image file I can boot on it but the installer say it is not a valid CD. |
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| 08:23.28 | technologov_ | it is recommended to add also "-v -T" keys... but is not prime issue |
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| 08:23.43 | technologov_ | try those two keys |
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| 08:25.51 | technologov_ | also "-R" |
| 08:26.04 | technologov_ | and -T |
| 08:26.37 | ChrisH | kareem check the logfile /var/log/auth for the reason sshd denies access |
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| 08:26.59 | technologov_ | $ genisoimage -o /tmp/image.iso -r -b isolinux.bin -c boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -R -J -v -T . |
| 08:27.11 | technologov_ | nadley, this is what I use |
| 08:27.52 | nadley | technologov_: from where did you run this ? |
| 08:28.18 | technologov_ | /tmp/bootiso/ |
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| 08:28.49 | technologov_ | just add few keys |
| 08:28.54 | technologov_ | should be fine |
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| 08:30.30 | nadley | ok I try it |
| 08:31.46 | skilz | Whats a good log to monitor? |
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| 08:32.11 | skilz | ./var/log/syslog ? |
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| 08:35.49 | nadley | technologov_: I have a iso file but the installer says it cannot be used for installation |
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| 08:38.52 | sephii | I'd like to write a script to get statistics about the keys I press on my keyboard. Any hints on how to do that? I don't care if it must run as root, that's perfectly fine |
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| 08:39.30 | skilz | sephii: bash + xev |
| 08:39.31 | technologov_ | nadley, lemme try |
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| 08:41.21 | technologov_ | nadley, your isolinux/* files are RO or RW ? |
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| 08:42.27 | technologov_ | both isolinux/* files and SourceCD/isolinux/isolinux* files must be RW |
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| 08:45.19 | technologov_ | nadley, hmm.. indeed you're right |
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| 08:51.58 | ashutosh_ | I'm on Squeeze, and I need fglrx-11.12 for support on my card.What am I supposed to do? |
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| 08:55.42 | nadley | technologov_: yes islinux/* files are RW |
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| 08:55.54 | nadley | s/islinux/isolinux |
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| 08:56.11 | technologov_ | nadley, well, you're right. I have same problem (can't install from CD, bla-bla...) |
| 08:56.27 | technologov_ | Maybe worth asking on debian-cd list... |
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| 08:59.31 | sephii | skilz: xev takes only keys that are hit in the xev window right? |
| 08:59.55 | nadley | technologov_: ok I'll do it |
| 09:00.00 | nadley | thanks anyway |
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| 09:02.22 | Vasistha | ashutosh_: I think there's a wiki page on that |
| 09:02.56 | Vasistha | !tell ashutosh_ about fglrx |
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| 09:03.14 | Vasistha | ashutosh_: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 09:04.36 | ashutosh_ | Yeah, but it installs 9.x |
| 09:04.46 | ashutosh_ | I need something from 11.12 |
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| 09:22.48 | arjun_ | Hi, is there any inkscape repository for Debian? |
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| 09:23.34 | dokma | are there any vnc related chans around? I tried the obvious #vnc but nothing there? |
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| 09:24.47 | colo-work | dokma, /msg alis list *vnc* |
| 09:24.49 | Vasistha | arjun_: inkscape... repository? Do you want to install inkscape on your debian system? |
| 09:25.41 | Vasistha | colo-work: "/msg alis"? is that a special trigger? |
| 09:25.56 | arjun_ | Inkscape I have in squeeze is old. I was just asking, if there is any. :) |
| 09:26.20 | Vasistha | arjun_: ah, you are asking if you can install a newer version of inkscape in squeeze. Well you can look for backports |
| 09:26.27 | colo-work | Vasistha, alis is a irc user/freenode service |
| 09:26.39 | colo-work | it keeps a list of channels that you can filter by using wildcards |
| 09:26.47 | arjun_ | Vasistha, no new version there. :( |
| 09:26.51 | Vasistha | colo-work: nice, that is great! |
| 09:27.14 | pnocti | arjun_: you can always compile it yourself if you really need the features of the latest. |
| 09:27.20 | Vasistha | arjun_: bummer. are you looking for 0.48? |
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| 09:27.38 | Vasistha | !tell arjun_ about simple sid backport |
| 09:27.42 | arjun_ | Vasistha, yeah! :) |
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| 09:29.59 | arjun_ | Thanks Vasistha and pnocti. I'll compile it! :3 |
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| 09:31.05 | Vasistha | arjun_: good luck, hope it works! |
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| 09:31.30 | arjun_ | Vasistha, thanks! |
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| 09:32.28 | arjun_ | First I'll configure distcc. :) |
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| 09:53.10 | spo0nman | Hi |
| 09:53.40 | spo0nman | why does postinst not source PATH from /etc/profile or /etc/environment? |
| 09:54.18 | spo0nman | I've added the PATH in /etc/environment and sourceing that in /etc/profile |
| 09:54.47 | spo0nman | but when apt-get runs postint ... it cannot find the path |
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| 09:57.29 | ix_ | is it possible for rox-filer to autodetect things? |
| 09:57.33 | ix_ | I did not install HAL |
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| 10:01.24 | engla | I think hal is obsolete now (in favor of udev) |
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| 10:02.04 | ix_ | I have squeeze |
| 10:02.13 | ix_ | and obviously I have udev |
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| 10:03.51 | _littlebit | hello, i wanted to know if it is possible to tell grub to diagnose for all possible resolutions of a machine and then choose the highest one for the console output |
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| 10:12.27 | ix_ | _littlebit, I don't think grub has anything to do with the resolution |
| 10:12.35 | ix_ | try xorg.conf |
| 10:12.45 | _littlebit | ix_: well gfxpayload does it |
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| 10:13.08 | ix_ | I have no idea |
| 10:13.12 | mmm4m5m | Hi all. One question please. I have an "removed package". Now I want to "purge" all config files. Question is - how to get list of config files (and do backup maybe) before "purge" action? |
| 10:13.44 | filePeter | LittleFool: Unfortunately I don’t think it can probe dynamically on each boot. Yet, I guess 1024x768 is widely supported… ;-) |
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| 10:14.29 | themill | mmm4m5m: dpkg -s packagename |
| 10:16.18 | mmm4m5m | themill: that will show package status... I need list of config files which will be removed by "purge" action |
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| 10:16.44 | themill | mmm4m5m: it provides the exact information you want... |
| 10:16.47 | mmm4m5m | For example, "dpkg -L" does show me "/etc/apache2/mods-available" and files inside. But it does _not_ show me "etc/apache2/mods-enabled" dir |
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| 10:16.58 | mmm4m5m | ok, sorry... let me try it |
| 10:17.55 | themill | mmm4m5m: /etc/apache2/mods-enabled is not a conffile, it is a directory. |
| 10:18.20 | filePeter | mmm4m5m: dpkg -L package name lists all installed files… For simple packages it might be ok to remove the remaining ones. - Otherwise you could reinstall it and purge it then |
| 10:19.40 | petern_ | 0 |
| 10:20.51 | mmm4m5m | hm... and -L does show "/etc/apache2/mods-enabled" dir (not the files, but dir is listed... themill, filePeter - thanks... I will play a little to see what exactly I want to do :) |
| 10:21.18 | themill | mmm4m5m: stuff in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled is not managed by dpkg so dpkg know's nothing about it. |
| 10:21.40 | themill | -' |
| 10:22.20 | mmm4m5m | I was thinking: I want to get list of config files before "remove" and see the diff between "remove" and "purge"... I will read a little more how it works |
| 10:24.01 | themill | mmm4m5m: well in most cases what you're doing is exactly right -- the thing is that the particular directory you picked to study is not managed by dpkg at all, it's there for the system administrator. If you'd picked just about any other directory... (like /etc/apache/mods-available) then you would have had something interesting to see. |
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| 10:26.09 | mmm4m5m | right.. I imagine "purge" could also run a script ("onPurge" event or something like that) - and if that is the case, no one could know full/exact list of config files |
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| 10:29.04 | themill | mmm4m5m: there are a number of scripts involved at different stages of the install/configure/remove/purge process. These are documented in policy (/msg dpkg policy). For a brief overview, /msg dpkg maintscripts and see http://wiki.debian.org/MaintainerScripts |
| 10:29.22 | blubberdiblub | mmm4m5m, you could probably use a versioned filesystem, do a snapshot before and after the purge and then compare the snapshots |
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| 10:31.46 | mmm4m5m | eh, perfect, thanks for the link!! blubberdiblub - I have git ... but that is very recent, it it in root dir "/.git" ... I am learning, trying things :) Thanks |
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| 10:32.23 | themill | ,i etckeeper |
| 10:32.24 | judd | Package etckeeper (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: store /etc in git, mercurial, bzr or darcs. Version: 0.48; Size: 31.8k; Installed: 380k; Homepage: http://kitenet.net/~joey/code/etckeeper/ |
| 10:32.39 | mmm4m5m | :) |
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| 10:32.56 | ix_ | how can I unmount without root password? |
| 10:33.21 | ix_ | is there a special group for that? |
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| 10:36.45 | daniel-s | how does IPv6 work in debian |
| 10:36.58 | daniel-s | I noticed that there is an IPv6 interface |
| 10:37.03 | ix_ | you must have ipv6 from your ISP |
| 10:37.12 | daniel-s | and that I can make connections to some computers using IPv6 addresses |
| 10:37.23 | Dagger3 | ix_: and/or from a tunnel |
| 10:37.26 | daniel-s | but I'm connected to an IPv4 isp |
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| 10:38.15 | Dagger3 | daniel-s: what IP are you getting? (or what's the beginning of it, if you don't want to give us the full address) |
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| 10:59.05 | Tobias| | How can I see which DNS servers wheezy's using? |
| 10:59.21 | Tobias| | It appears to be ignoring the ones I've defined in /etc/network/interfaces for eth0 |
| 10:59.21 | CissWit | Tobias|: /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 10:59.41 | DelTree | dns in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 11:00.27 | Tobias| | http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
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| 11:00.32 | Tobias| | Might be that I don't have resolvconf installed |
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| 11:00.42 | ChrisH | needed to check interfaces manpage and did not find DNS hints there |
| 11:00.50 | blubberdiblub | DelTree, yes, you can set them there, so resolvconf sets them up automatically when the interface comes up |
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| 11:01.50 | Tobias| | Hmm |
| 11:01.57 | Tobias| | Putting the DNS servers into resolv.conf manually worked |
| 11:01.58 | Tobias| | Bizzare |
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| 11:02.44 | Tobias| | Resolvconf wasn't installed apparently |
| 11:02.47 | Tobias| | All fixed then |
| 11:02.48 | Tobias| | Thanks :) |
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| 11:05.39 | Horus__ | Hello, I'm spanish and I need to know what is exactly "permorfing operations" in Linux systemas. Somebody helps me? |
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| 11:06.40 | filePeter | Horus__: Sorry, do you mean „performing operations“ or „“ |
| 11:06.47 | Horus__ | yes |
| 11:06.48 | Horus__ | :) |
| 11:06.56 | filePeter | Horus__: Ah… :-) |
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| 11:07.05 | filePeter | Horus__: Where did you read it? |
| 11:07.15 | Horus__ | in a application job |
| 11:07.33 | ondrejk | hi, we have purchased 2 pieces of 24" lcd screens and we would like to use it for dashboard. Can you suggest any good application for this? |
| 11:07.35 | Horus__ | two points: |
| 11:07.38 | Horus__ | Performing operations on RedHat Linux Operating Systems. |
| 11:07.38 | Horus__ | Main Tasks |
| 11:07.43 | Horus__ | I don't know the difference :) |
| 11:08.04 | setner | hi everyone |
| 11:08.15 | filePeter | I guess „performing“ is a verb here - They want you to __ |
| 11:08.20 | filePeter | perform operations |
| 11:08.27 | Horus__ | oh |
| 11:08.44 | ChrisH | Horus__: I would read 'Performing operations' as running the Box. Installing Update, monitoring, administering, and co |
| 11:09.08 | Horus__ | ChrisH, and Main tasks? |
| 11:09.16 | Horus__ | because I understand the same... |
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| 11:10.10 | ChrisH | Main Taks should explain later what they want you to focus on. If there is a phonenumber give them a call and ask. Thats what I would do before applying there :) |
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| 11:10.15 | Horus__ | phone. |
| 11:11.32 | Horus__ | ok, was the company |
| 11:11.56 | havocologe | ah. where has xen-resize-guest gone? |
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| 11:14.11 | tpnsvo | Hi every body. For debian wheezy, could installing java cause major decrease in graphic card performance? |
| 11:14.12 | Tixlegeek__ | Hi! |
| 11:14.16 | Tixlegeek__ | Hi! |
| 11:14.20 | Tixlegeek__ | Hi |
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| 11:16.39 | setner | everyone: is it proper to ask you all what is your favourite browser under debian, or is it against #debian rules? I'm using google chrome but gnash is pushing my cpu into 100% when I watch a youtube video, so I wanted to know what is the best browser in your opinion |
| 11:17.33 | epsilon | there arens so many major browsers... just test them all |
| 11:18.10 | tpnsvo | setner: I don't care so much about performance, but Opera seems to work perfetly and suits all my needs in one program. |
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| 11:18.36 | filePeter | setner: I can recommend iceweasel, gnash together with flashvideoreplacer firefox-add-in playing youtube videos with e.g. mplayer embedded |
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| 11:19.19 | setner | filePeter, tpnsvo: ok, I'll try these two. thanks |
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| 11:30.26 | trist4n | is there a way to test memory from within debian? |
| 11:30.37 | trist4n | there seem to be some weird memory allocation errors on my openvz. |
| 11:30.45 | petemc | memtest |
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| 11:30.56 | trist4n | is that a package name? |
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| 11:32.06 | ksk | trist4n: in general its not cool to test memory in a running system |
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| 11:32.19 | petemc | trist4n: apt-cache search memtest |
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| 11:33.02 | trist4n | ah memtester seems to be what im after |
| 11:33.10 | trist4n | ksk: being a vz container i cant do it any other way. |
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| 11:35.01 | bolt | If I do "trap 'echo a >/dev/null' DEBUG; { ls & }; sleep 1" (horrible example, but it reproduces my bug), I get "[1]+ Done echo a>/dev/null", instead of the expected "[1]+ Done ls". evalbot does this correctly and prints the ls command though |
| 11:35.17 | bolt | why does my shell print the debug command instead of ls as being done? |
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| 11:39.01 | mmm4m5m | bolt: it works here, printing two lines: "[1] 6830" and "[1]+ Done ls" - and ls content in between. Trying in interactive bash shell (terminal) |
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| 11:39.20 | bolt | mmm4m5m: that's what it's supposed to do, yes |
| 11:39.35 | bolt | mmm4m5m: but on this one machine it prints [1]+ Done echo... instead |
| 11:39.46 | bolt | is confused by this |
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| 11:40.29 | mmm4m5m | well, in 'sh' shell, it say 'trap: DEBUG: bad trap' - maybe check the current shell (and version) |
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| 11:41.13 | qwd | How can I see what ip my router has assigned to my pc? |
| 11:41.36 | bolt | it's bash 3.00 |
| 11:41.38 | trist4n | ifconfig. |
| 11:41.41 | bolt | hm.. i'lll try #bash |
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| 11:42.56 | qwd | trist4n: thanks! |
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| 11:45.07 | skilz | Anyone know how to make moc always start with a choosen theme? |
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| 11:50.39 | project2501a | is there a way to tell nis "if you see a new user, check to see if the home directory exists; if not, create home directory?" |
| 11:50.55 | project2501a | or is that out of the scope of nis ? |
| 11:51.09 | filePeter | qwd: netstat -ie if you’re not root |
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| 11:52.18 | DelTree | project2501a: "create" ? aren't you looking for nfs ? |
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| 11:52.44 | project2501a | del tree, not all my hosts use nfs |
| 11:53.04 | DelTree | nis without nfs ? |
| 11:53.04 | project2501a | maybe i should just do that, have all hosts use nfs. but i was just thinking? |
| 11:53.20 | DelTree | or other file server, maybe... |
| 11:53.21 | project2501a | DelTree: heheeh, yeah, his newbie here :) |
| 11:53.39 | project2501a | just +1 on skills, literally. |
| 11:54.27 | DelTree | the trouble is the home directory has to be on some file server... |
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| 11:54.38 | DelTree | technically not, of course... but what a mess... |
| 11:55.45 | project2501a | i am running orangefs, so i could mount /home on every computer, technically. |
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| 11:56.02 | DelTree | btw, why using nis ? |
| 11:56.18 | project2501a | cluster |
| 11:56.30 | DelTree | why not ldap ? |
| 11:56.42 | project2501a | single sysadmin shop |
| 11:56.52 | project2501a | made something quick that works. |
| 11:57.01 | project2501a | ldap is a 400 page book. |
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| 11:57.23 | DelTree | nis is a huge piece of shit, you know that ? |
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| 11:57.37 | alex- | What is the name of smart commands? Like when you type ainstall it will do the same as apt-get install ? |
| 11:57.37 | project2501a | will get around to it. but now management saw the sweetness of nis and asked me to implement it everywhere |
| 11:58.26 | project2501a | DelTree: it was working fine back in 1995 when i was a student. but i guess it does not scale very well. i will get around to the suckiness that is LDAP and the f-up community of openldap later. |
| 11:59.08 | DelTree | project2501a: it was a huge piece of shit back in 1995... just it was slightly less visible... |
| 12:00.00 | project2501a | DelTree: ok, i will agree. but it is currently doing its job (mostly - there's an issue of interacting it with nsswitch, doesn't like shadow files? working on it) |
| 12:00.43 | project2501a | that way my users can buzz off and not complain, i do less work creating a user account and i can go put out another fire. will come back to something better later. |
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| 12:01.49 | DelTree | project2501a: hope you don't have any funny bugger around... or you'll have surprises... |
| 12:02.02 | project2501a | funny bugger? |
| 12:02.37 | project2501a | DelTree: will happy take *any* comments and "heads up, bro" you might have for working with NIS |
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| 12:04.48 | s5s | is there a way to automatically get all libraries that an already compiled file needs? I can see them using ldd |
| 12:05.12 | lkthomas | guys, what's the simple solution if I want to build a simple samba server at home ? |
| 12:05.22 | lkthomas | should I use samba internal account system ? |
| 12:05.31 | NotLarry | I just fired up openbox-session on an existing ubuntu install and can not seem to get the wifi to associate to a wep system. help:) |
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| 12:06.50 | project2501a | DelTree: ah, you mean security wise! |
| 12:07.07 | DelTree | project2501a: indeed... |
| 12:07.32 | NotLarry | doh, never mind. someone can't type |
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| 12:07.43 | project2501a | DelTree: nah, i just have academic researchers, they just want me to hold their hand. |
| 12:08.01 | project2501a | some of them have pretty long beards. |
| 12:08.22 | DelTree | academic researchers... not good... ^_^ |
| 12:08.47 | project2501a | yeah, i never thought i would see 60 year old men throwing fits like 15 year olds |
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| 12:09.30 | DelTree | researchers... they like to play... and... play they can, with such a toy as nis... ^_^ |
| 12:09.53 | sysdef | :q |
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| 12:10.11 | sysdef | oops, sry. |
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| 12:21.50 | colonelGron | hello, when installing debian i can choose a kernel. is there a reason when not to choose kernel-pae? |
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| 12:24.29 | hartzie | hi guys where can i define the path to find shared objects? |
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| 12:26.02 | babilen | colonelGron: You wouldn't install a PAE kernel if your hardware does not require it. How much RAM do you have? On what kind of hardware are you installing? |
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| 12:26.28 | babilen | hartzie: Are you looking for something like LD_LIBRAY_PATH? |
| 12:26.41 | colonelGron | babilen, intel core 2 duo processor with 2 gb ram |
| 12:26.53 | babilen | hartzie: (that is an environment variable) |
| 12:27.11 | hartzie | babilen, thx |
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| 12:28.33 | babilen | colonelGron: You can always install a -pae or amd64 kernel later if you need it. A non-pae kernel is fine for 2GB of RAM, but you could just install amd64 in the first place and never worry about it again. |
| 12:29.30 | babilen | colonelGron: btw - Which release are you installing? The PAE kernels are called -bigmem in stable which is why I ask. |
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| 12:30.28 | colonelGron | babilen, wheezy |
| 12:30.35 | babilen | !686-pae |
| 12:30.35 | dpkg | At linux-2.6 2.6.39~rc4-1~experimental.1, the 686-bigmem flavour was renamed to "686-pae" with the 686 flavour removed. From the package changelog: "For 686-class systems without PAE, the '486' flavour is more efficient than the '686' flavour due to optimisation for uniprocessor systems." The change allows use of the NX (No eXecute, aka eXecute Disable) bit where available. See also <nopae>. |
| 12:30.42 | colonelGron | because i want to use gnome3 |
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| 12:31.17 | colonelGron | babilen, so you recommend me to use a amd64 image despite i have only 2gb of ram? |
| 12:31.46 | stwange | can anyone help me debug why mount is ignoring the pquota option? It's an xfs filesystem, it doesn't display any errors, `mount` shows pquota but /proc/mounts shows "noquota". The kernel supports it, as does the filesystem. strace and ltrace both show it passing the correct options and I can't for the life of me find an error message |
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| 12:31.55 | babilen | colonelGron: It should also be noted that the recommended way to install testing (which is actually not recommended at all, but ...) is to use the stable installer. I would furhermore recommend to install a minimal (just standard and, if applicable, laptop task) squeeze system first and take it from there. |
| 12:32.22 | babilen | colonelGron: Both are fine on your hardware |
| 12:32.57 | babilen | colonelGron: Please also read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable which contains a few tips that apply to testing as well. |
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| 12:34.02 | colonelGron | i thought about first install a stable release, but then i thought if i use testing straight away there cant be any dependency errors or something |
| 12:34.59 | dsdeiz | hi, any recommendations for a text based file manager? |
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| 12:35.26 | colonelGron | babilen, you say testing is not recommended right now? i read on some blogs that they said: testing is not as bad as you would think. |
| 12:35.54 | babilen | colonelGron: You could install testing in the first place, but you would still use the stable installer for that. The devel/testing installer is not meant for installing testing, but for testing the installer -- All that being said: The best/safest/working way is to install squeeze first and dist-upgrade to wheezy. |
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| 12:36.55 | colonelGron | babilen, well then i will try it that way |
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| 12:38.29 | joko | Hello, I want to create a minimal Debian installation to be used as a LiveUSB or VirtualBox image. Do you have any recommendations / suggestions to make? |
| 12:38.41 | babilen | colonelGron: Have fun. I'd like to note that we have #debian-next specifically for wheezy/sid questions on irc.oftc.net. Just ask if you have further questions. |
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| 12:39.10 | colonelGron | babilen, thank you |
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| 12:39.29 | joko | I just want a minimal GUI interface (LXDE? XFCE?) and some development tools (gcc, cmake, doxygen etc.) |
| 12:39.50 | babilen | dsdeiz: mc, lfm, ranger, lfm, ... |
| 12:40.20 | joko | dsdeiz: +1 for ranger. mc is a classic, though |
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| 12:40.58 | babilen | joko: Don't know about vbox, but read http://live.debian.net/manual/html/index.en.html for USB |
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| 12:41.30 | jelly-home | where's the vbox advocate when you need him |
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| 12:42.23 | dsdeiz | ok thanks |
| 12:43.26 | N3T | joko: I am using an Openbox on 8-year machine (1.8 GHz and 1 GB of RAM (earlier 512 MB)) and it's great. It needs configuration but it's easy and there are GUI tools to do it :) |
| 12:44.03 | dsdeiz | ranger doesn't seem to be in the repo. is compiling required? or is there like a repo that has it? |
| 12:44.13 | lokikp | i have installed ksensors lm-sensors sensord and i2c-tools but cannot display the real temperature of my harware any idea (kde) ??? |
| 12:44.40 | babilen | ,versions ranger |
| 12:44.42 | judd | Package: ranger on i386 -- sid: 1.5.2-1; wheezy: 1.5.2-1 |
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| 12:44.47 | babilen | ,checkbackport ranger |
| 12:44.48 | nigus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:44.49 | judd | Backporting package ranger in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
| 12:44.59 | dsdeiz | ahh cool thx |
| 12:45.00 | joko | N3T: thanks, I'll have it in mind. Currently, installation space is what concerns me the most. |
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| 12:45.26 | babilen | dsdeiz: You can backport it by following "/msg dpkg ssb" should work without a problem. |
| 12:45.50 | N3T | joko: good luck! ;) |
| 12:46.07 | dsdeiz | ok, thx! |
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| 12:58.38 | neaz | wenas |
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| 12:58.45 | neaz | hay alguien por aqui? |
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| 12:59.19 | fritz60 | Hi, I want to forward a port to a shared computer and I'm afraid that someone else might try to steal that port from me when my port forwarding is down. Is there some way how I can check who has opened a particular port? |
| 12:59.22 | neaz | necesito ayuda para instalar en mint la tarjeta de red inalambrica Ralink chipset rt2720 rt2770 |
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| 13:00.24 | petemc | fritz60: nmap, telnet, netcat |
| 13:00.29 | Iridos | dpkg, es |
| 13:00.29 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 13:00.41 | Iridos | also, mint != debian |
| 13:00.48 | neaz | ok sorry |
| 13:00.50 | neaz | thx |
| 13:01.13 | sakal | frigo, do you want check local port? |
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| 13:02.05 | fritz60 | petemc: I'm afraid that someone might try pretend to be my desktop computer, so netcat and telnet will be useless |
| 13:02.21 | fritz60 | Also, nmap would only tell me whether a port is open or not. |
| 13:02.59 | fritz60 | What I want to know is whether it's actually me who has opened the port or whether it's some kind of black guy |
| 13:03.04 | fritz60 | ooops |
| 13:03.08 | Iridos | "steal" a port? |
| 13:03.08 | fritz60 | I'm sorry |
| 13:03.16 | fritz60 | I meant bad guy |
| 13:03.27 | sakal | :) |
| 13:03.41 | fritz60 | Well, if I close the port |
| 13:03.47 | fritz60 | And open it again |
| 13:03.56 | fritz60 | someone might take it inbetween |
| 13:04.09 | sakal | fritz60, did you hear about open port by knocking? |
| 13:04.10 | trist4n | the wan or the lan port |
| 13:05.12 | fritz60 | Port knocking? I've heard about that, yes |
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| 13:05.34 | fritz60 | But I don't see how this is going to help me |
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| 13:05.48 | Iridos | so just to get that clear... |
| 13:05.57 | sakal | you will open port only for some port knocking combination |
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| 13:06.06 | Iridos | fritz60, fuser port/tcp |
| 13:06.38 | alarmschaben | Hi! Is it true that dpkg itself ignores package dependencies and their enforcement is done solely by apt? |
| 13:06.42 | Iridos | so just to get that clear... you have a port on your machine and want to forward it to a public machine so you can access the port from/on the public machine |
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| 13:08.36 | Iridos | no... you want to access it from outside on the public machine |
| 13:08.57 | fritz60 | Right, the port is on my Desktop machine at home and that machine is behind a NAT |
| 13:09.04 | sakal | fritz60, alternatively you can check src port in iptables |
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| 13:09.15 | sakal | oops |
| 13:09.30 | Iridos | fritz60, well, don't think there's a way to check without sshing into the local machine and see who owns the port |
| 13:09.34 | fritz60 | So I want to write a script that creates a permanent ssh port forwarding |
| 13:09.59 | fritz60 | Ok, fuser doesn't do what I want |
| 13:10.11 | Iridos | why not |
| 13:10.14 | fritz60 | Do I have to be root in order to use fuser? |
| 13:10.28 | Iridos | well... yain |
| 13:10.28 | fritz60 | Well, fuser doesn't tell me anything |
| 13:10.32 | colonelGron | i want to install gnome3. so would it be better if i dont install "grafical desktop environment" because of gnome2? |
| 13:10.53 | Iridos | on some systems you have to be root to see files/ports owned by other people |
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| 13:11.08 | N3T | colonelGron: don't check it |
| 13:11.11 | fritz60 | OK, I just want to know whether it's me or not |
| 13:11.26 | Iridos | fuser returns the PID |
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| 13:11.36 | qknight-- | hi. i want to create a custom installer for our product using debian 6.0. is there any recommended way? (i don't want to use the standard installer, i want to fix most parameters) |
| 13:11.44 | magnus_ | alarmschaben, true |
| 13:11.47 | Iridos | so you then have to see who owns the process |
| 13:11.47 | fritz60 | For me, fuser doesn't return anything |
| 13:11.59 | colonelGron | N3T: do i get compatabillity problems if i install gnome 2 and later gnome 3? |
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| 13:12.31 | magnus_ | alarmschaben, gdebi and apt automatically resolves dependencies. dpkg only lists them and lets you solve it on your own |
| 13:12.32 | N3T | colonelGron: you could remove gnome2 before installing gnome 3 but it makes no sense at all |
| 13:12.36 | Iridos | nc -l -p 7123 #other window: fuser 7123/tcp ---> 7123/tcp: 9316 |
| 13:12.43 | N3T | colonelGron: install pure system and then gnome 3 |
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| 13:12.55 | colonelGron | N3T: that was my question :) |
| 13:12.57 | Iridos | fritz60, then it's not a debian system and you're perhaps just asking in the wrong place? |
| 13:12.58 | N3T | I would do this this way |
| 13:13.27 | N3T | So, IDK |
| 13:13.35 | colonelGron | N3T: i thought maybe the "grafical desktop environment" installs something that i need but didnt know it |
| 13:14.10 | N3T | While installing Gnome 3, it would download and install its dependencies automatically, huh |
| 13:14.44 | Iridos | fritz60, well, or possibly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ident |
| 13:14.58 | fritz60 | iptables can only be used by root and I am not root |
| 13:15.13 | fritz60 | Iridos: All of the systems involved here are debian |
| 13:15.35 | Iridos | fritz60, then I don't see why you don't get the same reply from fuser as I do |
| 13:15.46 | Iridos | (see example above) |
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| 13:18.46 | fritz60 | Iridos: Look, I got port 1337 open: netstat -l | grep 1337 => tcp 0 0 localhost:1337 *:* LISTEN => tcp6 0 0 ip6-localhost:1337 [::]:* LISTEN |
| 13:19.12 | fritz60 | And fuser 1337/tcp doesn't give me anything |
| 13:19.23 | fritz60 | It just does nothing |
| 13:19.34 | fritz60 | And I am sure that this is my own port |
| 13:19.39 | petemc | you need to be root |
| 13:19.52 | fritz60 | **** |
| 13:20.19 | fritz60 | Didn't someone say a few minutes before that fuser would at least work on my own ports? |
| 13:20.31 | fritz60 | Ok, maybe I misunderstood taht |
| 13:20.50 | petemc | oh, possibly it does, i havent tried |
| 13:20.53 | fritz60 | But why does fuser not throw an error |
| 13:21.25 | fritz60 | I mean, when a command fails, I want to know! |
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| 13:22.12 | Iridos | petemc, I just tried it with a port owned by myself and I need not be root for the PID |
| 13:22.27 | petemc | ok |
| 13:22.31 | fritz60 | This is weird |
| 13:22.51 | fritz60 | Wait a second... When I forward a port using SSH... |
| 13:22.53 | Iridos | fritz60, well, netstat -p also gives you the PID |
| 13:22.56 | abrotman | fuser -n tcp 1337 ? |
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| 13:23.16 | fritz60 | Which process does then open the port on the remote machine? |
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| 13:23.40 | fritz60 | I mean, is it a process of mine? Or is it a process that belongs to root? |
| 13:25.23 | fritz60 | abrotman: fuser doesn't like me, don't ask me why |
| 13:26.28 | abrotman | fritz60: that command should work as a user on any port to show which processes are listenning |
| 13:27.09 | abrotman | oh .. maybe not ... |
| 13:27.11 | Iridos | abrotman, actually I think it only works showing the processes owned by yourself |
| 13:27.24 | Iridos | which is/should be the case here |
| 13:27.25 | abrotman | that's silly! |
| 13:27.32 | abrotman | ignore me .. |
| 13:27.42 | Iridos | as usual? |
| 13:27.47 | Shadur | Don't we all? *drumfill* |
| 13:27.54 | abrotman | roll ? |
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| 13:28.11 | alarmschaben | magnus_: tnx |
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| 13:30.21 | jkprg | Hi. I'm trying to create a new package. What's the variable name with architecture I can use in debian/rules makefile? Thx |
| 13:30.40 | fritz60 | netstat -p works |
| 13:30.49 | Iridos | fritz60, I just tested it with a port forwarded to my machine... fuser 8001/tcp shows my outgoing ssh from here... hmm, might be different if you forward with -R instead of -L |
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| 13:34.45 | fritz60 | netstat -p -l shows my port forwardings as user unknown |
| 13:35.08 | fritz60 | which means that SSH port forwardings are opened by root on the server side |
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| 13:35.50 | fritz60 | whereas netstat -p is able to identify the process behind my VNC server |
| 13:36.16 | fritz60 | Ok, thanks to all of you for helping me |
| 13:36.23 | fritz60 | bye! |
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| 13:37.12 | alex- | Failed to fetch http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gpm/libgpm2_1.20.4-3.3_amd64.deb Temporary failure resolving 'ftp.nl.debian.org' |
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| 13:37.22 | alex- | ftp.nl.debian.org is down? |
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| 13:39.42 | colo-work | that's not what that error means, no |
| 13:39.44 | DelTree | "temporary failure resolving" is dns problem... |
| 13:39.52 | colo-work | it just cannot be resolved to an IP address. |
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| 13:40.57 | alex- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:44.07 | Iridos | as he said... can't translate ftp.nl.debian.org into 130.89.149.21 |
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| 13:49.47 | alex- | why not? |
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| 13:50.19 | Iridos | 'cause it doesn't work? |
| 13:52.20 | xand | alex-: maybe your DNS doesn't work |
| 13:52.28 | alex- | How can I check it? |
| 13:52.38 | xand | "host ftp.nl.debian.org" |
| 13:53.12 | alex- | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 13:54.18 | ksk | do "dig ftp.nl.debian.org @8.8.8.8" |
| 13:55.19 | Iridos | alex-, look in /etc/resolv.conf for the lines with "nameserver", they contain the IP of the ones you currently use |
| 13:55.24 | Iridos | dpkg, nameserver |
| 13:55.24 | dpkg | A name server is a DNS (<domain name system>) server. It translates names to numbers. Your system's name server details can be assigned automatically with <DHCP>, ask me about <override dns> to set these manually. |
| 13:55.52 | Iridos | mmh |
| 13:56.04 | Iridos | wasn't there a factoid suggesting 8.8.8.8 and a couple of others? |
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| 13:57.27 | abrotman | nslookup ftp.nl.debian.org 8.8.8.8 |
| 13:57.55 | abrotman | Iridos: /msg dpkg opendns |
| 13:58.34 | alex- | Iridos: empty |
| 13:59.08 | jelly-home | Iridos: do you TRUST Google to serve your DNS replies!?!? |
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| 13:59.26 | Iridos | jelly-home, do YOU?! |
| 13:59.44 | jelly-home | no, I run my own recursors. |
| 14:00.36 | Iridos | jelly-home, your what? |
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| 14:00.56 | jelly-home | see, you don't even have an IDEA what that 8.8.8.8 thing IS!!!!1 |
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| 14:04.35 | rypervenche | Do I need to do anything special to be able to read an EFI drive? (Also says GPT on it, I'm not at all familiar with either of these :/) |
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| 14:06.52 | colonelGron | i love debian =) |
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| 14:07.42 | Iridos | jelly-home, so you want us to give you an idea what that is |
| 14:07.59 | Iridos | EFI? |
| 14:08.03 | mojo-jojo | heyas |
| 14:08.20 | jelly-home | that thing you put in your /etc/resolv.conf... is a recursor DNS server configured to allow you access |
| 14:09.17 | babilen | rypervenche: You need to do something special if you want uefi boot with grub-efi, but for reading data on it: No, not at all |
| 14:09.37 | alex- | So what do I have to do now? |
| 14:10.43 | mmm4m5m | alex-: enable outgoing dns connections :) |
| 14:10.51 | alex- | where? |
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| 14:11.02 | Iridos | alex-, depends... are you using a dhcp client on the machine? |
| 14:11.07 | alex- | No |
| 14:11.10 | mmm4m5m | oh you told resolv.conf is empty , sorry |
| 14:11.59 | Iridos | then just add a nameserver stanza to /etc/resolv.conf ... like nameserver 8.8.8.8 or nameserver 208.67.222.222 |
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| 14:12.29 | Iridos | if the content of /etc/resolv.conf changes, you _DO_ run a dhcp client and that overwrites it |
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| 14:13.03 | colonelGron | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:13.32 | alex- | # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8) # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN |
| 14:13.39 | blubberdiblub | Iridos, not necessarily. you can run resolvconf and no dhcp client, and resolvconf will happily overwrite /etc/resolv.conf anyways |
| 14:13.46 | rypervenche | babilen: It's an HFS+ partition, but the drive itself has partitioned weirdly because of UEFI or GPT, not sure what they are yet. I have hfsprogs and hfsutils installed, but it can't seem to read it. It says "hfs: invalid secondary volume header" and "hfs: unable to find HFS+ superblock". |
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| 14:13.50 | alex- | that's what's in it ^ |
| 14:14.37 | anelevoli | hi everyone. i've tried to upgrade my squeeze to wheezy and encountered numerous problems. this is the one i'm dealing with right now: dpkg refuses installing a package due to some missing file (?): http://pastebin.com/SBVZd5UW |
| 14:15.40 | blubberdiblub | alex-, you can give some static entries to resolvconf. look into /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/something |
| 14:16.21 | blubberdiblub | alex-, or you can set up interface-specific dns servers in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:16.31 | babilen | rypervenche: hfs+ ? run for you life! Do you have hfsplus installed? I have no idea whatsoever if there is something special about hfs+ and gpt however |
| 14:16.41 | Iridos | blubberdiblub, well... I've never seen/used resolvconf, but as it also can use dhcp information, I think it's covered in what I said |
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| 14:17.15 | blubberdiblub | Iridos, it _can_ use dhcp information, but it doesn't need to. that was my point |
| 14:17.31 | rypervenche | babilen: Yes, I have it installed as well. |
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| 14:19.20 | lukicat | some1 can help me setting up an teamspeak2 server on debian? |
| 14:19.24 | lukicat | have a small problem |
| 14:19.53 | lukicat | everything seems to be running, but i cannot connect to the server |
| 14:19.56 | Iridos | blubberdiblub, sure... still I'd not be far off calling it a "dhcp client" :) Anyway, dhcp seems to me the only reason resolv.conf would get overwritten every couple of hours.. so that was the firstmost one in my mind |
| 14:20.33 | blubberdiblub | Iridos, yeah, probably a good call |
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| 14:21.05 | Iridos | perhaps should have said "run something that overwrites it" :P |
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| 14:23.03 | GTRsdk | Does anyone know how to open a XML wikipedia dump? |
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| 14:25.11 | babilen | GTRsdk: Sure, what do you want to do with it? You have to unzip it though |
| 14:25.35 | lukicat | so i think the problem is, that my udp port is filtered |
| 14:25.39 | babilen | GTRsdk: You might also want to take it to #mediawiki |
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| 14:25.44 | lukicat | how can i "un-filter" it?? |
| 14:25.55 | GTRsdk | babilen: I have untarred it. And I'm hoping I could open it in a web browser and it doesn't work to do that. |
| 14:26.06 | GTRsdk | babilen: isn't that only for the mediawiki program? |
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| 14:26.27 | babilen | GTRsdk: What are you trying to do? |
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| 14:26.58 | GTRsdk | babilen: I would like to use the downloaded XML to view wikipedia offline. Preferrably in a browser |
| 14:28.32 | babilen | GTRsdk: You need a local mediawiki instance in that case - You can't just open the XML dump in a browser. Program such as http://owi.sourceforge.net/, http://code.google.com/p/pyoffwiki/ or http://evopedia.info/ might be what you are looking for. |
| 14:28.58 | babilen | GTRsdk: But ask in #wikipedia and #mediawiki as this is hardly a Debian related issue and therefore not really on-topic here. |
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| 14:31.43 | Lekensteyn | Hi all, how do I (a packager) make sure that the user does not get prompted for configuration file upgrades from a certain version? (i.e., the prompt in case the conffile has manually been modified). The conffile format has been changed and old modifications are unusable |
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| 14:31.56 | Iridos | anelevoli, why are you using dpkg and not aptitude... it's apt that takes care of dependencies and File/Copy.pm is in perl-modules - either /usr/share/perl/5.10.1/File/Copy.pm or /usr/share/perl/5.12.4/File/Copy.pm |
| 14:32.04 | Iridos | tell anelevoli -about apt-file |
| 14:32.09 | Lekensteyn | I tried dpkg-maintscript-helper rm_conffile, but that still generates a prompt |
| 14:33.01 | jordanm | Lekensteyn: #debian-mentors on irc.debian.net |
| 14:33.39 | Lekensteyn | jordanm: thank you, I'll try that |
| 14:34.01 | Iridos | lukicat, try to connect from localhost and see if that works... |
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| 14:36.02 | Iridos | lukicat, if you're behind a NAT ... either configure the router to do port-forwarding to your machine, or there's ... wossname |
| 14:36.16 | lukicat | Iridos no nat |
| 14:36.37 | lukicat | tcp connection to some open ports of machine are okay |
| 14:36.40 | lukicat | just udp... |
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| 14:37.14 | Iridos | well... still it's your local router doing the filtering... not really a way around that |
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| 14:37.29 | Iridos | well... that's not exactly true |
| 14:37.34 | Iridos | no easy way around that |
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| 14:38.24 | lukicat | so.. |
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| 14:38.33 | lukicat | i do nmap from an external computer |
| 14:38.39 | lukicat | he says the port is open |
| 14:38.42 | lukicat | but FILTERED |
| 14:38.58 | anelevoli | Iridos, i was getting the same with apt-get: http://pastebin.com/YiE07TsW |
| 14:39.00 | Iridos | huh |
| 14:39.01 | lukicat | so, i dunno... need to do something with iptables?? |
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| 14:40.16 | alex- | How can I lower the load of a debian system? |
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| 14:40.30 | Iridos | judd, versions libwmf0.2-7 |
| 14:40.31 | judd | Package: libwmf0.2-7 on i386 -- lenny: 0.2.8.4-6+lenny1; lenny-security: 0.2.8.4-6+lenny1; squeeze: 0.2.8.4-6.1+b1; sid: 0.2.8.4-10; wheezy: 0.2.8.4-10 |
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| 14:41.28 | Guest89109 | alex-, by using windows instead ;) |
| 14:42.50 | Iridos | lukicat, not on the debian machine if you didn't configure any rules (or installed software that does), there are none defined by default |
| 14:42.52 | alex- | Guest83864: |
| 14:43.08 | alex- | How can I lower the load of a debian system? |
| 14:43.09 | lukicat | i didnt |
| 14:43.15 | Iridos | judd, depends libwmf0.2-7 --release=wheezy |
| 14:43.16 | judd | Package libwmf0.2-7 in wheezy/i386 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.11), libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libjpeg8 (>= 8c), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4), libx11-6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4),multiarch-support. |
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| 14:43.19 | lukicat | okay, i'll ask the network colleague |
| 14:43.45 | rypervenche | lukicat: You need to be using teamspeak3 |
| 14:43.51 | lukicat | why? |
| 14:44.03 | rypervenche | lukicat: Because using version 3 of the client and version 2 of the server does not work |
| 14:44.22 | rypervenche | lukicat: I had the same problem recently. Go with mumble :) |
| 14:44.40 | Uranus | alex-, by using windows :) |
| 14:45.07 | Iridos | lukicat, it's also easy enough to check with iptables-save |
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| 14:45.41 | Layofmynick | thank goodness that one doesn't exist.. |
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| 14:46.43 | technologov_ | alex-, kill few processed ^^ - how about init ? (@_@) |
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| 14:46.54 | alex- | idk |
| 14:46.59 | alex- | I don't have debian experience |
| 14:47.07 | alex- | I think 160 MB idle ram usage is a bit too much |
| 14:47.13 | technologov_ | use "htop" |
| 14:47.18 | technologov_ | and "iotop" |
| 14:47.27 | technologov_ | it will monitor your Debian system |
| 14:47.50 | Iridos | anelevoli, as I said... it's supposed to be in perl-modules... the 5.10.1 path is in squeeze... what does "dpkg -L perl-modules |grep File/Copy" say |
| 14:47.53 | alex- | Failed to fetch http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/pool/main/h/htop/htop_0.8.3-1_amd64.deb Temporary failure resolving 'ftp.nl.debian.org' E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? |
| 14:47.55 | alex- | can't install htop |
| 14:48.16 | sakal | alex-, use aptitude update before install |
| 14:48.22 | sakal | or apt-get update |
| 14:48.27 | Iridos | dpkg, tell alex- about free ram |
| 14:48.27 | alex- | Temporary failure resolving 'packages.openmediavault.org' |
| 14:48.27 | Layofmynick | i had the same by the way. Just switched to the main server. |
| 14:48.27 | lukicat | rypervenche no, using client v2 also ;) |
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| 14:48.38 | alex- | can't update/upgrade/install anything |
| 14:48.45 | alex- | failed to fetch |
| 14:48.49 | sakal | check you dns |
| 14:49.04 | sakal | try to use google dns: 8.8.8.8 |
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| 14:49.13 | alex- | Then all my traffic goes to google |
| 14:49.33 | sakal | try another dns :) |
| 14:49.55 | anelevoli | Iridos, http://pastebin.com/3A6TQ6Dq |
| 14:49.59 | sakal | and all you traffic goes to you provider :) |
| 14:50.00 | alex- | which one then? |
| 14:50.10 | alex- | sakal: i don't care about traffic to my provider |
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| 14:50.36 | sakal | so, try google dns only for this time |
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| 14:50.53 | sakal | if you care, than you can search some dns |
| 14:51.20 | alex- | where can I see which dns i use now |
| 14:51.33 | sakal | cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 14:51.39 | Iridos | anelevoli, you might actually start by removing lennys version of virtualbox to get rid of all those warnings... the command really only returns the last line: /usr/share/perl/5.14.2/File/Copy.pm |
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| 14:51.54 | Iridos | anelevoli, and there you see why installing libwmf fails... |
| 14:52.23 | alex- | # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8) # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN |
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| 14:52.34 | lukicat | oh no |
| 14:52.35 | alex- | sakal: ^ |
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| 14:52.42 | lukicat | i think iptables -F drops all connections? |
| 14:52.48 | Iridos | I only ain't sure why it needs a perl module in the first place |
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| 14:53.32 | technologov_ | Iridos, anelevoli well... Lenny expires soon, but VirtualBox 1.x is not maintainable by now... |
| 14:53.47 | technologov_ | which Lenny has |
| 14:53.49 | sakal | alex-, you can edit you /etc/network/interfaces, but for short time you can edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 14:53.59 | sakal | just for test if a problem with dns |
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| 14:54.35 | anelevoli | Iridos, i've already manually edited /var/lib/dpkg/status to remove faulty symbols in virtualbox 1.6 descriptions, which ruined my upgrade. are the lines about virtalbox 2.0, 2.1, 3.0 and 3.1 as deadly? |
| 14:54.39 | alex- | maanged to change my nameservers |
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| 14:54.51 | alex- | everything works now :D |
| 14:54.53 | alex- | managed * |
| 14:54.55 | alex- | thx |
| 14:55.00 | alex- | but i dont want to use googles |
| 14:55.21 | sakal | alex-, use google to search free dns :-) |
| 14:55.39 | anelevoli | Iridos, as far as i can understand, uninstalling the old version of libwmf fails because it tries to use old perl for uninstallation. how can i fix it? |
| 14:55.41 | Iridos | anelevoli, dunno, don't think so, but they are rather annoying |
| 14:56.07 | sakal | alex-, but you must trust to undefined free dns |
| 14:56.17 | alex- | what is default debian dns? |
| 14:56.33 | Iridos | anelevoli, I thought it's installing the new libwmf that tries to use the old perl-modules... why do you think it's uninstalling - can't you uninstall either? |
| 14:56.33 | sakal | every OS use dns of provider |
| 14:56.38 | sakal | not some special dns |
| 14:56.49 | jargon- | the openldap wiki on the debian site is apparently outdated: http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/OpenLDAPSetup anyone have any recent squeeze-related openldap resources they could link me to? |
| 14:57.16 | alex- | how can I get my default dns then? |
| 14:57.23 | Layofmynick | you must KNOW it |
| 14:57.49 | sakal | alex-, you can try to down and up you iface |
| 14:58.11 | alex- | static ip |
| 14:58.14 | sakal | then resolv.conf you be ovewritten |
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| 14:58.48 | alex- | i'm using a web UI to manage the system |
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| 14:59.02 | sakal | scientes_, ipv6, so nice :) |
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| 15:00.15 | sakal | alex-, if you are using static up you must know you default dns. |
| 15:00.46 | alex- | gateway: 192.168.178.1 |
| 15:00.46 | sakal | otherwise you will get it from dhcp |
| 15:00.51 | alex- | netmask: 255.255.255.0 |
| 15:00.55 | alex- | address: 192.168.178.251 |
| 15:01.14 | Iridos | anelevoli, whatever happens probably happens in /var/lib/dpkg/info/libwmf0*.. hmm, although it seems to already happen during unpacking... that'd be before all this |
| 15:01.38 | sakal | alex-, you can try to use getway as dns, but it just a tring. No body garantie that gatway will have dns server |
| 15:02.12 | Iridos | anelevoli, hm can you upgrade any other package? I just wonder... might you need to upgrade dpkg itself or... libdpkg-perl |
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| 15:02.21 | Bartzy | if I want to install php only for CLI |
| 15:02.25 | Bartzy | I should install only php5-cli ? |
| 15:02.37 | Bartzy | cause the package php5 wants to install some apache libs. That sucks :p |
| 15:02.43 | alex- | sakal: nope |
| 15:02.44 | Iridos | judd, depends libdpkg-perl --release wheezy |
| 15:02.46 | judd | Package libdpkg-perl in wheezy/i386 -- depends: dpkg (>= 1.15.8), perl, libtimedate-perl. |
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| 15:04.24 | somiaj | Bartzy: php5 is just a meta package that depends on one of the php packages, (look at apt-cache show php5), for example php5 could depend on php5-cgi |
| 15:04.47 | forgotten | use 8.8.8.8 free google dns |
| 15:05.05 | forgotten | or public rather |
| 15:05.12 | somiaj | Bartzy: but if php5-cgi is what you want, that is the package you install, you could also say 'apt-get install php5-cgi php5' if for some reason you need php5 installed for other packages to depend on with out install the apache module |
| 15:05.46 | anelevoli | Iridos, i'll try to upgrade libdpkg-perl, as dpkg has already been upgraded. |
| 15:07.00 | Iridos | that doesn't depend on perl-modules, though |
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| 15:08.20 | Iridos | it couldn't be perl itself, could it? |
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| 15:08.29 | Germanaz0 | Hello everybdoy |
| 15:08.54 | Germanaz0 | I need some program, that could find files content, for example, inside the docs, pdfs, in console mode |
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| 15:08.58 | Germanaz0 | is there any ? |
| 15:09.54 | Iridos | anelevoli, what version of perl do you have installed? |
| 15:09.56 | anelevoli | Iridos, "libdpkg-perl depends on perl; however: Package perl is not configured yet." |
| 15:10.27 | anelevoli | $ perl --version: This is perl, v5.10.1 (*) built for i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi |
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| 15:10.47 | Iridos | well... there you are |
| 15:10.53 | Iridos | you upgraded perl-modules, but not perl |
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| 15:11.12 | anelevoli | Iridos, but synaptic believes i've got perl 5.14.2-6 |
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| 15:11.42 | Iridos | should be 5.12.4 |
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| 15:11.56 | Iridos | well... what's "type perl" say |
| 15:11.59 | ggoes | Should the root filesystem appear twice in a df -h output? I'm getting one listing for "rootfs," and another for the UUID of the disk. Running Wheezy. |
| 15:12.14 | anelevoli | should i try installing perl from .deb file? |
| 15:12.26 | asteriskATmarmuD | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:12.30 | Iridos | what does "type perl" say |
| 15:12.52 | anelevoli | perl is /usr/bin/perl |
| 15:13.17 | Iridos | asteriskATmarmuD, all packages ask before overwriting edited config files, it's policy |
| 15:13.52 | Iridos | hm, seems ok, I suspected you have some custom installed perl somewhere |
| 15:14.13 | anelevoli | so... should i try perl from .deb? |
| 15:14.28 | asteriskATmarmuD | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.05 | Iridos | anelevoli, yes... I'd try upgrading perl either with apt-get or with dpkg |
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| 15:16.00 | anelevoli | Iridos, http://pastebin.com/tqZv9C1p |
| 15:16.10 | anelevoli | should i try installing the dependencies now? |
| 15:17.02 | Iridos | try with aptitude or apt-get ... |
| 15:17.06 | Iridos | first? |
| 15:17.20 | Iridos | will be easier if it works |
| 15:17.24 | Iridos | ok, gtg |
| 15:17.27 | anelevoli | it's giving me errors |
| 15:17.31 | anelevoli | thank you, bye! |
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| 15:24.42 | Kasreyn | trying to use xapt from pdebuild-cross, I get "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!", can this be ignore or fixed? http://ideone.com/57ezF |
| 15:24.50 | stwange | can anyone help me debug why mount is ignoring the pquota option? It's an xfs filesystem, it doesn't display any errors, `mount` shows pquota but /proc/mounts shows "noquota". The kernel supports it, as does the filesystem. strace and ltrace both show it passing the correct options and I can't for the life of me find an error message |
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| 15:26.55 | anelevoli | http://pastebin.com/W1ZaSC8Q - what can i do with this ring dependency? |
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| 15:28.13 | jelly-home | anelevoli: install them both... WITH A SINGLE dpkg COMMAND!!! |
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| 15:29.21 | jelly-home | you are allowed to do dpkg -i a.deb b.deb |
| 15:29.41 | anelevoli | jelly, omg didn't think the solution is so simple %) |
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| 15:42.28 | Joelito | is there offical chromium repository to get its latest stable version? |
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| 15:47.17 | asteriskATmarmuD | we are using spamassassin 3.2.5 on debian 5.0.6. is an update to spamassassin 3.3.2 possible via "apg-get upgrade spamassassin" or is our debian too old? |
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| 15:48.53 | themill | asteriskATmarmuD: while a newer spamassassin is available for lenny, it's time for you to be upgrading to squeeze anyway since lenny security support finishes in 3 weeks. /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze; follow the release notes. |
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| 15:50.29 | asteriskATmarmuD | themill: thanks, we know that it is time to be updating our debian server, but we can't have any downtime now :( |
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| 15:51.10 | themill | you'll have even more downtime if you end up getting unwelcome visitors on your box... |
| 15:51.59 | technologov_ | there is some tool named 'ksplice' which avoids downtime... it lets you make reboot-less kernel updates... |
| 15:52.10 | asteriskATmarmuD | themill: :) gotta tell that to the bosses, they will let us update if it is already too late ;) |
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| 15:52.20 | technologov_ | not sure how well it is supported in Debian though... |
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| 15:52.57 | themill | technologov_: umm... that's not going to upgrade you from a 2.6.26 kernel to a 2.6.32 kernel though. And it's not going to fix downtime on other services as you reconfigure them |
| 15:52.59 | stwange | last I checked ksplice was only free for Fedora |
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| 15:53.32 | technologov_ | stwange, it is *packaged* for Debian |
| 15:53.44 | technologov_ | but not sure if it's actually maintained well... |
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| 15:54.17 | darkknightcz | hi, anyone here running debian on IBM x336? (with super scsi 320), i need to know if its possible |
| 15:54.23 | themill | technologov_: do you have any reason to suspect it is not? |
| 15:54.32 | stwange | you need a key to activate it technologov_ |
| 15:54.35 | stwange | at least, you did |
| 15:55.18 | themill | stwange: that's to obtain the splices from the company. You are welcome to write your own, should you know how. |
| 15:55.19 | technologov_ | themill, I have reason: It requires the maintainer to prepare kernel binary patches in advance, and *no one* writes about this feature in Debian. |
| 15:55.35 | themill | technologov_: that's got nothing to do with the ksplice package. |
| 15:55.40 | technologov_ | stwange, I don't speak about non-free proprietary crap. |
| 15:56.05 | technologov_ | I speak about 100% community maintenance of our kernel patches in binary form |
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| 15:56.14 | themill | technologov_: make it so |
| 15:56.16 | technologov_ | (which AFAIK Debian doesn't provide) |
| 15:56.16 | p3rror | how to check if a material support ipmi ? |
| 15:56.35 | technologov_ | I'm willing to test, if anyone does. |
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| 15:58.50 | technologov_ | themill, also having only the client part in "main" fails in my "Free Software" tests, as you know |
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| 15:59.36 | themill | technologov_: you're free to write your own splices. No-one is stopping you and I suspect you'll find that there are people out there who are doing so. |
| 16:00.00 | themill | technologov_: the fact that *you* are too clueless to do so and prefer ranting to doing has nothing to do with whether something is non-free or not. |
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| 16:00.24 | technologov_ | ok |
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| 16:01.08 | abrotman | not a single bug filed against ksplice .. |
| 16:01.49 | abrotman | let me rephrase .. not a single unresolved bug |
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| 16:02.49 | Iridos | huh |
| 16:02.55 | Iridos | how does ksplice work? |
| 16:03.00 | Iridos | sounds pretty magical to me |
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| 16:03.20 | abrotman | Iridos: it is . |
| 16:03.32 | Iridos | well... that explains it |
| 16:03.34 | Iridos | kind of |
| 16:03.37 | somiaj | looking for suggestions on setting up pm-utils (pm-suspend mostly) to bring down all network interfaces when it suspends but not bring them back up (I would rather just use ifup with /etc/network/interfaces file to manually bring up the interface depending on the location, and would prefer to not have to ifdown the interfaces from the privious location |
| 16:03.42 | abrotman | Iridos: wikipedia has a decent explaination |
| 16:04.03 | themill | Iridos: it patches over the compiled code in memory, cutting out buggy code and calling instead off to fixed code. http://lwn.net/Articles/280058/ |
| 16:04.06 | abrotman | erm .. explanation |
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| 16:07.27 | Iridos | still looks like an impossible task |
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| 16:09.37 | Iridos | ah... I'm kinda relieved to see that it fails on some stuff |
| 16:09.53 | Iridos | so it's really just something to use for security patches, which change little |
| 16:09.55 | abrotman | Iridos: it freezes execution .. nothing else is moving at that time |
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| 16:10.36 | dracmas-phone | I know this is a stupid question... stuck on my phone atm. I forgot which startup file you use to define the default network manager. I think the file also tells which display manager to use too |
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| 16:12.21 | Iridos | don't think there's such a file. If you run gnome, it starts gnome-network-manager when you log in |
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| 16:14.29 | asteriskATmarmuD | ok, we definitely have to update from debian 5.0.6 to debian 6. is that possible dynamically, meaning "upgrade" not a doing a fresh install? |
| 16:14.57 | babilen | !tell asteriskATmarmuD -about release notes |
| 16:15.07 | babilen | depkg: tell asteriskATmarmuD -about lenny->squeeze |
| 16:15.07 | ksk | !lenny to squeeze |
| 16:15.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell asteriskATmarmuD -about lenny->squeeze |
| 16:15.42 | babilen | asteriskATmarmuD: That should provide you with all the information you need to upgrade your system to squeeze (about time!) :) |
| 16:15.53 | abrotman | ksk: msg the bot please |
| 16:17.01 | asteriskATmarmuD | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.20 | asteriskATmarmuD | sorry, how does this work |
| 16:17.46 | asteriskATmarmuD | ok, I got it |
| 16:17.49 | asteriskATmarmuD | THX! |
| 16:19.06 | ws2k3 | how cna i see shich proces takes much ram ?> |
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| 16:21.16 | zaki | hi |
| 16:21.22 | themill | ws2k3: there are many ways to measure/argue about memory usage. "/msg dpkg meminfo" for one simple approach |
| 16:21.49 | zaki | which syslog file is the the most generic syslog log file in debian? |
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| 16:26.12 | joltcan | zaki: Not sure what you mean by that |
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| 16:27.03 | zaki | joltcan, got it thanks anyway |
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| 16:32.20 | qxt | Using xfce. The text editor Mousepad just is to lightweight. Use Emacs as and IDE. Any recommendations for a good text editor? gedit and scribe seem to drag in tons of Gnome stuff. |
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| 16:33.22 | anelevoli | I use kate in xfce as it is the only one correctly opening 300 mb logs, but i guess it drags in the whole kde |
| 16:33.25 | jhutchins_wk | qxt: vi |
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| 16:33.52 | jelly-home | zaki: /var/log/messages ... consult your /etc/rsyslog.conf |
| 16:34.02 | _jesse_ | hey, all having some difficult getting my wireless working following the directions on http://wiki.debian.org/wl#Squeeze ( card is a BCM43224) |
| 16:34.18 | qxt | jhutchins_wk vi is nice too but that will become a flame war that is decades old between Emacs and vi :) |
| 16:34.20 | _jesse_ | the module build step is failing, but there really isn't an error message |
| 16:34.29 | jhutchins_wk | qxt: It's a really powerful editor with lots of great utilities, works with any text file, sticks to keyboard commands, no unnecessary graphics to get in the way. |
| 16:35.08 | jhutchins_wk | _jesse_: Doesn't b43 work for that? |
| 16:36.01 | qxt | jhutchins_wk I felt that heat before the blast =) Yes vi is really nice but not quite what I needed here. |
| 16:36.04 | e_ | hrm i'm having some really weird problems with trying to netboot a bunch of machines in order to get them to fai install |
| 16:36.27 | e_ | they get stuck at ipconfig trying to setup the config for eth0, but not always |
| 16:36.41 | e_ | but so far i haven't found a thing that i switched and it worked, switched and it didn't work |
| 16:36.58 | Iridos | dpkg, start an editor war |
| 16:36.58 | dpkg | xemacs blows! |
| 16:37.03 | qxt | =) |
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| 16:37.26 | e_ | what i can see on the network is the pxe boot doing the proper 4-way dhcp, then after a while when ipconfig tries to set it up i get dhcpdiscover / offer / discover / offer in an endless loop |
| 16:37.55 | e_ | and on the console it says "IP-Config: eth0 hardware address xx... mtu 1500 DHCP RARP" |
| 16:37.58 | e_ | any pointers? |
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| 16:38.11 | _jesse_ | jhutchins_wk: I can try, I wasn't getting anything out-of-the-box so I googled for that |
| 16:38.42 | qxt | I say Gedit is GOD. I know this to be true since Mark Shuttleworth said "so be it!" |
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| 16:39.09 | jelly-home | preach it brother |
| 16:39.17 | qxt | amen! |
| 16:39.18 | jhutchins_wk | _jesse_: It suggests that http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 works. |
| 16:40.51 | Iridos | godit? |
| 16:41.16 | Iridos | g[oe]dit? |
| 16:42.19 | _jesse_ | jhutchins_wk: I installed the package but it can't find the module |
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| 16:43.34 | hdb2 | Iridos: I didn't know dpkg could do that, nice ;) |
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| 16:46.46 | Cain | A server of mine just reboot(like if i remove the power cable and put it again, no traces on /var/log/syslog, dmesg, is there anything i could do to troubleshoot the problem or it's 'obviously' a problem of the alimentation bloc ? (the reboot is random, it can happen after 5 minutes or 2 hours from the last reboot) |
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| 16:47.29 | Iridos | hdb2, /msg dpkg listkeys start a*war |
| 16:47.51 | Iridos | dpkg, tell Cain -about netconsole |
| 16:48.00 | Iridos | dpkg, tell Cain -about serial console |
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| 16:49.04 | Cain | Iridos : it's a 'local' server, i can see all boot messages on the screen serial console still be helpful ? |
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| 16:59.02 | Iridos | Cain, hmm, true... you should see them directly if you don't have a graphical interface running .. if you configure it in /etc/sysctl.conf for lower level messages - you should already be able to see a kernel-panic there |
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| 17:00.47 | Iridos | Cain, but you say it reboots... so how long would you see any message... half a second? |
| 17:01.41 | Cain | Iridos : reboots like if you cut power, black screen and the startup screen after like a normal server start up |
| 17:02.09 | Iridos | well... so you don't see any messages that might happen |
| 17:02.43 | Iridos | or might be a hardware thing... if it acts as if power is cut... perhaps it doesn't just act |
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| 17:03.31 | Cain | Iridos : i'm thinking, of a hardware failure(but which hardware part ?) , i've changed the powercable, and it works for now, wait & see i guess |
| 17:03.38 | rachelderp | Dearest #debian, I have a very serious concern for the future of this distrobution |
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| 17:03.47 | rachelderp | What happens when we run out of Toy Story names? |
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| 17:04.36 | Iridos | Cain, well... wouldn't hurt to see if netconsole turns up anything that gives a hint if you have a 2nd machine and an ethernet lan |
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| 17:04.59 | Cain | Iridos : true, i'll google to see how it works :) |
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| 17:05.10 | Iridos | rachelderp, with one debian release every 10 years that's not gonna happen any time soon |
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| 17:05.32 | jelly-home | also: THREE MOVIES |
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| 17:05.51 | rachelderp | According to this graph from wikipedia the average lifespan is 3-4 years |
| 17:05.53 | rachelderp | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/23aadd12727ca8e44de038e36a3c96a1.png |
| 17:05.57 | statix | Is it possible to determine why a package was installed? In other words, what a package was installed as a dependency of? |
| 17:06.27 | jelly-home | rachelderp: hyperbole detection: needs some improvement |
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| 17:07.17 | rachelderp | jelly-home: Apologizes, my robot sense has been tingling for days. |
| 17:07.32 | rachelderp | See? I can't even spell. |
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| 17:08.48 | rachelderp | I'm sorry, there's probably important nerdy things going on in here. |
| 17:08.49 | rachelderp | Carry on. |
| 17:09.21 | jelly-home | you're doing good for a derp |
| 17:09.37 | jelly-home | well. I meant well. |
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| 17:10.24 | jelly-home | statix: aptitude why packagename |
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| 17:12.28 | statix | jelly-home: Thank you. As an extension of that, how about determining all of the packages that a package installed as dependencies? |
| 17:12.55 | themill | that's what logs are for |
| 17:13.05 | jelly-home | recursively? I'm not sure, except by... what he said |
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| 17:14.44 | statix | Yes, I'm aware that logs exist |
| 17:16.28 | mah454 | why this rule not work ? iptables -I OUTPUT -p tcp --sport 22 -m --uid-owner root -j DROP |
| 17:16.42 | mah454 | receive this error : iptables v1.4.8: Couldn't load match `--uid-owner':/lib/xtables/libipt_--uid-owner.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 17:16.43 | jelly-home | statix: the exact set of what gets installed depends on preexisting conditions and those chosen at installation time (eg --without-recommends, or interactive choice with aptitude), so the logs would give the only real answer to that particular question |
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| 17:17.39 | jelly-home | mah454: you're missing a word between -m and --uid-owner... which module? |
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| 17:18.53 | epsilon | mah454: try -m owner --uid-owner... |
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| 17:19.26 | jelly-home | mah454: -m always expects a module name. If your command has -m and then immediately another --option, it's not correct |
| 17:19.34 | epsilon | except the fact that's a strange rule |
| 17:19.54 | mah454 | jelly-home, thank you :) |
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| 17:20.10 | sbarcteam | hi guys. |
| 17:20.14 | jelly-home | I'm completely ignoring any meaning... the questions mah454 asks often lack in that aspect |
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| 17:21.19 | jelly-home | epsilon: and if he wants to, dunno, kill the local ssh service in interesting ways, who are we to judge |
| 17:21.29 | sbarcteam | Is there any special treatment user www-data gets on a vanilla debian system in terms of I/O or CPU priority, compared to another user created with useradd ? |
| 17:21.40 | jelly-home | sbarcteam: no. |
| 17:22.00 | sbarcteam | (maybe number of open files......) |
| 17:22.04 | mah454 | jelly-home, my english language not good ! sorry ! |
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| 17:22.13 | jelly-home | sbarcteam: noope |
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| 17:22.22 | sbarcteam | jelly-home, thanks. nice to know. |
| 17:22.32 | jelly-home | sbarcteam: can you get to the real issue soonish, I gotta pee! |
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| 17:22.46 | sbarcteam | go and pee, man. |
| 17:22.50 | jelly-home | k |
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| 17:28.12 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 17:28.17 | gypsymauro | I've installed postfix on debian squeeze but there is not the mail command with it? |
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| 17:30.09 | ashutosh_ | I'm on Squeeze, and I need fglrx-11.12 for support on my card.What am I supposed to do? |
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| 17:33.28 | jhutchins_wk | gypsymauro: On my system the mail command is provided by the bsd-mailx package. |
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| 17:34.05 | jhutchins_wk | gypsymauro: It's linked through the alternatives system, which suggests it can be provided by more than one package. |
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| 17:35.11 | LinuxApprentice | ahoy |
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| 17:39.34 | LinuxApprentice | is anyone alive in this channel ? |
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| 17:40.09 | forgotten | jes |
| 17:40.22 | LinuxApprentice | *yes |
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| 17:40.29 | LinuxApprentice | ;-P |
| 17:40.30 | epsilon | no we are all zombies and we want your brAAAAAAAAin |
| 17:40.35 | forgotten | no, i said jes, on purpose |
| 17:40.41 | LinuxApprentice | jes? |
| 17:40.44 | forgotten | makes me sound exotic :-D |
| 17:40.46 | LinuxApprentice | braaaaaaaaaaaaaaains!!! |
| 17:40.51 | LinuxApprentice | jup |
| 17:40.57 | LinuxApprentice | jup=yup ha |
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| 17:41.09 | forgotten | really? i had no idea |
| 17:41.22 | LinuxApprentice | it's true....... |
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| 17:47.15 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 17:47.16 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 17:51.54 | zealiod_ | how is it I can do ./name.bin but I can't do ./full/path/name.bin or . /full/path/name.bin |
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| 17:53.18 | themill | zealiod_: what's . doing in a full path? |
| 17:53.40 | Steal | Hi all, I'm on a new installation of debian squeeze, and when I try to install ati proprietary driver I get this error http://pastebin.ca/2104134 |
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| 17:56.05 | Hesmon | zealiod_: . stands for current dir. which makes no sense in front of a full path |
| 17:57.14 | jhutchins_wk | Steal: Sorry, I don't see an error there. Perhaps you should look at /usr/share/ati/fglrx-install.log |
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| 18:00.38 | Steal | jhutchins: this is not an error????-> *** glibc detected *** ./setup.data/bin/x86_64/setup: double free or corruption |
| 18:00.54 | Steal | jhutchins_wk: this is not an error????-> *** glibc detected *** ./setup.data/bin/x86_64/setup: double free or corruption |
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| 18:01.28 | jhutchins_wk | Steal: You'll have to ask ATI. |
| 18:01.50 | jhutchins_wk | Steal: Or #ati |
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| 18:02.14 | rozie | jhutchins_wk: it's #AMD ;-) |
| 18:02.48 | Steal | I will try, thank you and sorry for asking on the wrong channel jhutchins_wk |
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| 18:03.23 | jhutchins_wk | rozie: 31 nicks in #ati |
| 18:04.01 | rozie | just kidding. ati was bought by amd. |
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| 18:04.41 | jhutchins_wk | rozie: #ati is the actual support channel as listed by the bot. |
| 18:04.57 | jhutchins_wk | rozie: They still use the brand. |
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| 18:07.18 | Lekensteyn | any user here with an Optimus laptop? |
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| 18:09.59 | Iridos | ffproxy filterproxy micro-proxy privoxy tinyproxy is what I see as simple proxies... any of those only proxying after auth... mmh, and encryption to the proxy would be nice |
| 18:10.22 | Iridos | actually... does what I want more sound like socks? |
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| 18:11.50 | mkad | Hi |
| 18:11.57 | mkad | how to install debian from usb-stick? |
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| 18:12.10 | folivora | make it bootable, boot from it :) |
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| 18:12.28 | folivora | ec..with unetbootin u can make to bootable usb... |
| 18:12.33 | Iridos | dpkg, tell mkad about usb install |
| 18:12.50 | folivora | :) |
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| 18:13.08 | rgouveia | does anyone knows if CVE-2012-0064 has been reported to bugs@ ? |
| 18:13.15 | Iridos | we got canned solutions fer evuryting :P |
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| 18:13.54 | jelly-home | !tell rgouveia about tracker of doom |
| 18:14.11 | Iridos | see? |
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| 18:14.24 | folivora | heh |
| 18:14.30 | jelly-home | there's even a cve lookup thingy but I couldn't be bothered |
| 18:15.10 | Iridos | I didn't remember even this one... I said we do have them, though, not that I could remember how to call up all of 'em :) |
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| 18:16.04 | jelly-home | rgouveia: corsac, a member of Debian X.org team wrote a message in the original report thread... do you really think a mail to bugs@ is needed |
| 18:16.31 | gypsymauro | tanx jhutchins_wk |
| 18:16.36 | themill | !cve lookup CVE-2012-0064 |
| 18:16.36 | dpkg | Information about the security advisory CVE-2012-0064 may be found at http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2012-0064 |
| 18:16.57 | jelly-home | thank you. Fixed already. |
| 18:17.12 | jelly-home | who knew! |
| 18:17.21 | rgouveia | jelly-home: I've looked on the link you sent me, which I wasn't aware it existed. thanks |
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| 18:17.57 | SpComb | http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/PAM?action=diff&rev1=24&rev2=25 <-- I added some notes about libpam-ldapd to the LDAP/PAM wiki entry |
| 18:18.02 | themill | and here was I thinking it was just a really convenient way of unlocking the computer without having to type mny passwd |
| 18:18.08 | jelly-home | I guess not every concerned user can recognize a relevant debian developer by their signature |
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| 18:18.56 | Iridos | themill, damn thing is incomplete - it doesn't even say what key combo |
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| 18:19.23 | jelly-home | Iridos: here, have at it: http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2012/q1/191 |
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| 18:19.47 | SpComb | seems most of the nss/pam ldap config files have changed since, lib{nss,pam}-ldapd now both depend on nslcd which uses /etc/nslcd.conf |
| 18:19.56 | SpComb | so it's all kind of outdated :) |
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| 18:20.00 | SpComb | for squeeze |
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| 18:20.05 | Iridos | jelly-home, still no joy on squeeze |
| 18:20.06 | davidgul | hi guys |
| 18:20.33 | jelly-home | Iridos: because xorg there is fucking old |
| 18:20.34 | davidgul | how can i run virtual box machine without GUI ? |
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| 18:20.54 | Iridos | jelly-home, right... also: way to go |
| 18:20.56 | jelly-home | Iridos: in this case "fucking" stands for "not vulnerable" |
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| 18:22.39 | Iridos | SpComb, if there's a question hidden in what you said, it escaped us what it was :) |
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| 18:23.34 | SpComb | not really, looking for someone to flame my inept analysis of libpam-ldap's PAM configs :) |
| 18:23.38 | jelly-home | he's just SpCommenting on the outdatedness of wiki entries and probably looks for someone to share general dissatisfaction with LDAP with |
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| 18:24.17 | SpComb | but as far as I can tell, the /etc/pam.d/common-* examples given on that page are broken in some cases :/ |
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| 18:24.45 | jelly-home | it's pam AND ldap in the same place... be happy you made it work! |
| 18:24.46 | SpComb | since some of the /etc/pam.d/$service files apply additional modules after the @include |
| 18:25.18 | SpComb | jelly-home: well, I tried to customize the config files, but ended up figuring out that the configs debian generated for me where better than the ones I was trying to write :) |
| 18:25.28 | SpComb | so debian's doing something right there |
| 18:25.39 | SpComb | they're just kind of hard to understand |
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| 18:26.11 | SpComb | but realizing that pam_unix will find both /etc/passwd and LDAP users via NSS lead to great enlightenment |
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| 18:29.38 | tharkun | jordanm: Don't forget to update your autjoin list on your irc client :) |
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| 18:31.57 | ruxkor | hi! is this the right channel for asking questions about debian package building? |
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| 18:32.26 | babilen | !tell ruxkor -about mentors |
| 18:33.05 | ruxkor | thanks! : ) |
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| 18:39.41 | davidgul | how can i run virtual box machine without GUI ? |
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| 18:44.23 | jhutchins_wk | davidgul: Maybe someone in #vbox can tell you. |
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| 18:47.10 | Iridos | so... no recommendation what proxy to use? |
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| 18:54.37 | Iridos | it should of course not be an open proxy, preferrably being encrypted between browser->proxy, easy to configure and not caching |
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| 18:55.55 | atruno | boo on ubuntu |
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| 19:06.27 | avernos | i plugged hdmi onto my computer (debian stable) and it isnt working. do i need to install any package or something? |
| 19:07.06 | robin_sz | you plugged "hdmi" into your computer? |
| 19:07.07 | sacredchao | Can I use Debian boot image to run memtest86+? |
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| 19:07.35 | robin_sz | do you mean "I connected an HDMI cable between my graphics card and my computer" |
| 19:07.59 | robin_sz | and whats not working? the computer or the TV? |
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| 19:10.01 | Coded1 | is there a way I can install a full debian install rather than "live cd environment" with out having run the install cd :) |
| 19:10.30 | kesroesweyth | Coded1 > wut? |
| 19:10.44 | jelly-home | Coded1: if you have any working Linux environment, debootstrap. |
| 19:10.56 | Coded1 | I want to have a debian install on a usb key |
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| 19:11.21 | daemonkeeper | Coded1: Read the release notes. It clearly tells you how to do that. |
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| 19:12.00 | Coded1 | daemonkeeper: ty |
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| 19:12.20 | daemonkeeper | Coded1: Given you do not only want to boot the installer from a usb key, you can also just do a regular install to it. |
| 19:13.12 | Kendall | I have a couple of ancient debian installs here (3.0, 3.1, 4.0) and am having some NTP trouble. I would like to discover if NTPD is querying using v4 or v6. I do not have ntpq available --is there another way ? |
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| 19:15.28 | cthuluh | Kendall: tcpdump port 123 |
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| 19:17.02 | Kendall | thanks. (it's using v4) |
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| 19:34.42 | casualuser | hello everybody |
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| 19:36.43 | klee | Hi all i'm missing /dev/dri entry for maxtor card |
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| 19:37.39 | casualuser | recently have installed firecookie extension for iceweasel and occasionally found that there is extra cookies for textsrv.com and widdit.com writing locally while accessing simple php-js code running locally |
| 19:38.00 | casualuser | can someone provide any suggestions how to deal with such a case? |
| 19:38.23 | casualuser | I've checked my code and found nothing related to that domains |
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| 19:46.39 | casualuser | anyone can help me with tracking malware running on debian? |
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| 19:47.18 | petemc | casualuser: what is it you think is happening? |
| 19:47.30 | petemc | oh, i read back |
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| 19:49.20 | casualuser | petemc, I've found that there is some kind of extra cookies appears while I'm working with simple php-js code loaclly. googling for domains specified in that cookies linking to some kind of malware/addware |
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| 19:49.51 | abrotman | tried another browser? |
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| 19:51.27 | engla | thanks to debian for getting linux 3.2 into debian sid today. the same day I was installing debian onto an macbook air, and now graphics work perfectly in debian (testing + sid kernel) |
| 19:51.39 | casualuser | abrotman, will check another browser now but not sure yet how to check cookies there at another browser |
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| 19:53.05 | thewanderer1 | casualuser, you might want to analyze your network traffic with Wireshark - it should show HTTP req/responses in readable form |
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| 19:53.45 | petemc | tcpflow is useful too |
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| 19:54.58 | p01s0nb1t | some browser plugins may try things with every page (local or remote), but in a cookie does not make sense for any plugin I know |
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| 19:55.49 | casualuser | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.10 | thewanderer1 | plugins run as XUL and can easily access websites, which would explain a lot |
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| 19:58.46 | casualuser | so, accessing the same local php-js code via chromium do not show that cookies... it seems it's related to some kind of extension/addon for iceweasel |
| 19:59.12 | casualuser | will try to recheck every addon/extension there |
| 19:59.19 | thewanderer1 | yeah... many of them are not free software, be careful :P |
| 19:59.23 | casualuser | thx a lot ppl ! ) |
| 19:59.56 | htns_ | hi |
| 20:00.26 | casualuser | ehh, actually I'm running some proprietary extensions in weasel for some services so it seems it's time to recheck it an wipe out most of ) |
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| 20:01.29 | jhutchins_wk | Is there a way to apply the files in /etc/skel/ to a manually created /home/user/ directory? |
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| 20:01.47 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_wk: copy them? |
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| 20:02.50 | jhutchins_wk | zykotick9: They're hidden .foo files. |
| 20:03.07 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_wk: so, they're still files. |
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| 20:04.16 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_wk: "cd /etc/skel && cp .bash_logout .bashrc .profile /home/foo/" sorta thing |
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| 20:04.49 | jhutchins_wk | zykotick9: I was hoping more for a /etc/skel/* thing, but all I really need is .bash* |
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| 20:29.00 | bfig | hello. i've been having some trouble with browsing in wheezy. it suddenly won't load anything http (or at least what i believe is http |
| 20:29.17 | cccc828 | Hello, I have a complicated problem. I have to connect a blade to a SAN via a fibrechannel switch. I think I set the correct zones on the switch and the correct LUNs on the SAN controller. Yet the blade I want to connect sees different partitons (it's old ones) than another blade. Does anyone have any idea where I should start to debug? |
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| 20:29.52 | cccc828 | bfig: how do you notice that? |
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| 20:30.13 | cccc828 | bfig: what worked before and does no longer work? |
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| 20:31.38 | bfig | hello. i've been having some trouble with browsing in wheezy. it suddenly won't load anything http (or at least what i believe is http |
| 20:31.42 | bfig | or take a huge time to respond. i've checked some mailing list and apparently this could be an ipv6 issue but i wouldn't understand how to deal with this. i ran this command as root: echo net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1 > /etc/sysctl.d/disableipv6.conf (taken from http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=70529 ) |
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| 20:32.10 | p01s0nb1t | you may need to reboot after that |
| 20:32.13 | bfig | but it hasn't helped one bit. this once got better with a simple restart |
| 20:32.17 | ksx4system | is it a good idea to use ext4 without extents on a very small partition (1Gb CF card, single partition for /)? |
| 20:32.21 | bfig | p01s0nb1t, already did. is there something else i should do ? |
| 20:32.35 | bfig | ie, something browser dependent? (i'm using iceweasel) |
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| 20:32.58 | ksx4system | I'm going to use the card as hard drive in a thin client (mounted as rw, whatever possible mounted as tmpfs) |
| 20:32.59 | p01s0nb1t | well, if it was not the issue, start debugging.... telnet "$url" 80 |
| 20:33.21 | rypervenche | I ran TestDisk on an external hard drive. I put a deleted partition table back on it, and when I finished it said that I needed to reboot for the changes to take effect. Does that mean I need to reboot the computer I used to make the changes, or just the external HDD? |
| 20:33.52 | p01s0nb1t | bfig: maybe routing, dns, some plugin (try with a clean user or a clean browser profile) etc |
| 20:33.56 | Dagger3 | bfig: if you do `ifconfig | grep inet6` and it doesn't show any addresses that _don't_ begin with "fe80::", then it's probably not an IPv6 issue |
| 20:34.39 | Dagger3 | (I suppose the other test would be `ip -6 route show default` and seeing if you have a v6 default route. no route = your system can't even try to make a v6 connection) |
| 20:34.45 | bfig | ok. i got wireshark, let me try some stuff and see what happensn, i'll give you more info in a sec |
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| 20:35.27 | bfig | Dagger3, it doesn't give anything (but remember i technically already disabled it, if the command i wrote did what i think it did) |
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| 20:37.33 | Dagger3 | and that didn't fix it? guess it's not IPv6-related then |
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| 20:37.51 | bfig | what does 'continuation of non http traffic' mean? |
| 20:37.59 | bfig | contiunation or* |
| 20:38.06 | bfig | continuation* |
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| 20:38.32 | Dagger3 | (this whole 'disable IPv6 to magically fix all slow connection issues' advice that goes around is annoying... I bet what usually happens is that the issue is elsewhere, and in the time it takes someone to disable IPv6 and reboot, the issue fixes itself. and then IPv6 gets blamed. :/) |
| 20:39.09 | bfig | lol. it is possible but since i wouldn't know where to look it is only reasonable to follow advice that works :p |
| 20:39.45 | p01s0nb1t | bfig: I supose it means literally what it says, if it's in "network packets" context maybe it says "this is a packet, that continues another fragmented packet, and both are not http" |
| 20:39.56 | bfig | Dagger3, it seems http connections stop working after sending a couple packets, like they get corrupted. i don't understand why this would happen. if you want the captures to check yourself i can probably upload them |
| 20:40.08 | p01s0nb1t | can you ping the URL domain ? |
| 20:40.23 | bfig | yes |
| 20:40.30 | p01s0nb1t | do you see the mac (arp -n) after the ping? (independently of the ping results) |
| 20:40.34 | bfig | all the resolving part and apparently icmp/irc protocols work |
| 20:40.41 | p01s0nb1t | well if you can ping, you will see the mac |
| 20:41.01 | p01s0nb1t | telnet URL 80 ? |
| 20:41.16 | Dagger3 | does `curl -I <broken http:// link>` work, vs `curl <broken http:// link>`? it sounds like it could be an MTU problem |
| 20:41.20 | p01s0nb1t | or whatever port uses |
| 20:42.01 | bfig | p01s0nb1t, i get this from `arp -n www.google.com': www.google.com (74.125.91.99) -- no entry |
| 20:43.09 | p01s0nb1t | forget about arp... ping works. if you can't reach it with telnet or curl, you can try mtr-tiny |
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| 20:43.28 | htns_ | hey guys |
| 20:43.29 | htns_ | i have a question |
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| 20:43.31 | htns_ | cut or uncut? |
| 20:43.40 | p01s0nb1t | unpaste |
| 20:43.40 | bfig | i'm downloading curl. this is weird, the other day ftp didn't work, now it does |
| 20:44.20 | xemdetia | I might be retarded but is there any sendmail derivative that doesn't want to install exim by default? I just want to send mail, I don't want to receive it. |
| 20:44.57 | p01s0nb1t | bfig: mtr-tiny may show where the packets are loosed between your workstation and google, maybe it's just a firewall/proxy in the network where you're, maybe an internet routing issue, ... |
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| 20:45.23 | bfig | is installing |
| 20:45.47 | p01s0nb1t | if you can ping, but can't browse, maybe a) bad network mask. b) proxy needed or firewall in the middle |
| 20:46.28 | p01s0nb1t | c) lot of other things |
| 20:46.45 | bfig | htis makes no sense. the real question i believe is what would make this intermittent? |
| 20:47.18 | p01s0nb1t | someone said MTU, and MTU issues makes intermitent problems and fragmented packets |
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| 20:47.46 | bfig | ok. mtr-tiny, what should i do with that/ |
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| 20:48.01 | bfig | (there is no manpage) |
| 20:48.02 | p01s0nb1t | mtr www.google.com |
| 20:48.18 | p01s0nb1t | it's like "top" but for network "jumps" |
| 20:48.55 | p01s0nb1t | you should see % of packet loss at some address |
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| 20:49.26 | bfig | wow this is an awesome tool |
| 20:49.31 | p01s0nb1t | =) |
| 20:49.34 | nach_ | hello ! does anyone run debian wheezy with a Radeon HD and fglrx driver ? |
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| 20:49.55 | bfig | nach_, i do |
| 20:50.15 | nach_ | bfig, ho nice so you may help me ! |
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| 20:50.30 | bfig | what do you need? |
| 20:50.32 | nach_ | cause i'm out of luck with that dam ATI card |
| 20:51.42 | robin_sz | yeah its a pain |
| 20:52.09 | bfig | so was i, till a friend explained. wheezy uses the framebuffer directly from bootup (for what i understood), are you getting noise even from command line, ie, even if you boot without graphical interface? |
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| 20:53.30 | nach_ | bfig, in fact i get issue with the installation of the fglrx-modules-dkms |
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| 20:53.49 | bfig | what is the problem? |
| 20:53.56 | nach_ | it failed to compile the good module for my system: amd64 |
| 20:54.01 | bfig | p01s0nb1t, i don't get anything from the command, as weird as it sounds |
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| 20:54.27 | bfig | nach_, are you using the package manager? |
| 20:54.36 | nach_ | yep |
| 20:55.21 | p01s0nb1t | bfig: if ping worked, sounds weird that mtr doesn't... yea |
| 20:55.29 | bfig | p01s0nb1t, ie, i only see the headers for whatever data should appear |
| 20:55.52 | nach_ | I got exactly the same issue as described here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=636055 |
| 20:56.23 | nach_ | bfig, what HD model do you have, and what is your uname -a desc ? |
| 20:56.49 | nach_ | bfig, mine is HD 6870, Linux debian 3.1.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Jan 10 06:25:07 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 20:57.02 | bfig | nach_, Linux localhost 3.1.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Dec 23 16:37:11 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 20:59.13 | bfig | interesting twist of events: a friend is telling me he also has problems, and has asked other people (with the same result) |
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| 21:00.30 | bfig | ok. now that i find this particular instance of weird behavior is not my problem, i'd still be interested to know what is happening |
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| 21:01.00 | p01s0nb1t | if you want to read about the posible MTU fragmentation, there is a chapter in the debian reference |
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| 21:01.14 | p01s0nb1t | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_finding_optimal_mtu |
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| 21:01.44 | p01s0nb1t | but it sounds more to me like there is some firewall or proxy between you and google... how do you connect ? |
| 21:02.12 | gh0strider | hey i have been doing some research and i really want to install debian on a phone so i am trying to find a phone that i can install debian on that will also work with sprint, but i have seen on android phones i have seen the app "chroot debian" does anyone know if that app is available on all phones that have the android os/market ? |
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| 21:04.13 | McSalty | gh0strider, i have tried chroot debian. what do you want to do with it? |
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| 21:04.42 | gh0strider | McSalty: is that what can be used to install debian onto an android phone? |
| 21:05.01 | gh0strider | i know you need tightvnc to setup the gui such as xfce right? |
| 21:05.18 | abrotman | gh0strider: if google can't help you .. doubt we can |
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| 21:05.29 | bfig | p01s0nb1t, adsl (dsl?) |
| 21:05.57 | bfig | i use a pppoe modem to dial, plus a wifi router that talks to the modem and manages the connection |
| 21:06.02 | gh0strider | shit my laptopt is about to die... |
| 21:06.05 | bfig | ie, regular home wifi setup |
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| 21:06.52 | McSalty | gh0strider: it is not really "installing debian" as you would on a regular device, i sugest you do some research on "chroot", if you want to run it as a real OS this is not what you are searching for |
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| 21:09.23 | p01s0nb1t | bfig: does ifconfig in the wifi device, show errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 for TX and RX ? maybe your issue is simply there |
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| 21:09.52 | bfig | p01s0nb1t, 0 errors. |
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| 21:10.31 | TheLifelessOne | I copied my ssh key from my other desktop over to a debian install, but whenver I try to connect, it keeps telling me my password is incorrect. Why is it doing it? |
| 21:10.41 | TheLifelessOne | s/it/this |
| 21:11.21 | p01s0nb1t | TheLifelessOne: do you use the default name (id_rsa + id_rsa.pub) ? |
| 21:11.30 | TheLifelessOne | Yep. |
| 21:11.38 | p01s0nb1t | else you may need to declare the key for Host * in ~/.ssh/config |
| 21:11.41 | p01s0nb1t | ouch |
| 21:11.44 | McSalty | gh0strider i think most people will struggle enough to get a regular CLI with "chroot debian":), and if you are asking this questions (nothing wrong with it, don't get me wrong) you probably will not even get to installing an x server and using a vnc client to connect to it |
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| 21:12.17 | McSalty | if you want to try though, make sure your android device is rooted and you know what you are doing |
| 21:13.11 | Mr-R | TheLifelessOne: do you want to use the ssh-key pair for authentication? |
| 21:13.29 | bfig | p01s0nb1t, thanks for your time anyway :). at least now i know i'm not the one imagining intermittent problems. those are the worst kind: the one you can't understand or predict. |
| 21:13.33 | p01s0nb1t | bfig: when you can't reach google... can you reach any other http thing? like i.e. your wifi or modem web interface... then the issue is not in your debian |
| 21:13.49 | bfig | p01s0nb1t, i can ping google and do http, but it is only selectively |
| 21:13.50 | TheLifelessOne | Mr-R: The keys are already set up. The problem is the private key refuses to take my password. |
| 21:14.22 | bfig | is there any simple way to set up a proxy so you can connect and see how it works? it is really impossible to explain |
| 21:14.34 | bfig | other than it randomly allows some sites and blocks some other |
| 21:14.40 | Mr-R | TheLifelessOne: on the target machine copy the .pub part in authorized_keys |
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| 21:15.25 | Mr-R | TheLifelessOne: and try ssh -vvv <target> for debug output |
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| 21:15.33 | TheLifelessOne | Mr-R: The remote server? I unfortunately don't have that kind of access to it. |
| 21:15.36 | TheLifelessOne | Ok. |
| 21:16.12 | TheLifelessOne | Everthing is fine until passphrase auth, and then it reports a bad passphrase |
| 21:16.14 | nemysis | hello have Debian GNU/Linux in VirtualBox and works very good :D |
| 21:16.30 | Mr-R | TheLifelessOne: oh. its ~/.ssh/authorized_keys not in /etc/ssh |
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| 21:17.22 | TheLifelessOne | alright. |
| 21:17.24 | TheLifelessOne | Just a second... |
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| 21:17.59 | TheLifelessOne | Um. Well. I seem to have... misplaced my public key. |
| 21:18.24 | p01s0nb1t | ssh-copy-id use to avoid such issues |
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| 21:18.43 | Mr-R | p01s0nb1t: cool. :) |
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| 21:22.09 | quibit | I have a disk where the first 512 byes were wiped, so no mbr or partition tables - I don't care about the data on the disk either, just trying to get the disk to a state where I can format it it with fdisk - smatctl extened test says the disk is OK, it only has 100 hours on it - fidsk gives me an I/O error and gpart says: "*** Fatal error: cannot get sector size on dev(/dev/sdc)." |
| 21:22.27 | quibit | any ideas on what I can do to make the disk operational? |
| 21:22.44 | bfig | quibit, manually reconstruct the mbr/partition table :) |
| 21:22.57 | jancsika | Hello. Is there a debian-security specific chatroom? I'd like to confirm that I understand how Debian repo security and package signing works (in a general way) in order to compare it to the security implemented in the new Gnome extension website. |
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| 21:23.13 | McSalty | how can i see in which runlevel i booted? (i need the value to be stored in a variable in a shell script) |
| 21:24.01 | quibit | bfig: suggested tool? thought gpart might help with this...but got the error I listed |
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| 21:24.06 | petemc | McSalty: what would be the sensible name for a command that prints the runlevel ? |
| 21:25.11 | Mr-R | apropos runlevel: what is your favourite runlevel so far? :-) |
| 21:25.27 | bfig | quibit, what about copying the first sectors of some other disk to the first sectors of your disk? |
| 21:26.07 | McSalty | petemc: well i thought 'runlevel', but it's not present on my fresh debian install on my netbook;) |
| 21:26.08 | konradb | hi |
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| 21:26.15 | konradb | is it possible to change gnome 3 to gnoe 2? |
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| 21:26.19 | konradb | gnome* |
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| 21:26.24 | konradb | in debian wheezy |
| 21:26.28 | konradb | Please :c |
| 21:26.42 | petemc | McSalty: its in /sbin/ , which is not in a normal users $PATH |
| 21:26.54 | bfig | quibit, dd? |
| 21:27.17 | quibit | bfig: sure using dd I guess - any reason why this might not work with an ssd - that's the only other disk I have to work with |
| 21:27.19 | jancsika | konradb: there is gnome fallback which looks aesthetically like gnome 2 |
| 21:27.36 | konradb | jancsika: its not the same.. |
| 21:27.47 | konradb | can i install it from squeeze repo? |
| 21:27.49 | quibit | the affected disk is a 1TB WD Mybook |
| 21:27.50 | konradb | will it work? |
| 21:27.55 | bfig | quibit, just try, if it doesn't work you can overwrite that part again |
| 21:27.56 | McSalty | petemc: so if i do 'su -c runlevel' it should work, but it doesn't. can't find it in the sbin either |
| 21:28.06 | bfig | ie, overwrite with something that does work. |
| 21:28.06 | petemc | McSalty: /sbin/runlevel |
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| 21:28.45 | quibit | thanks bfig, I 'll give it a try |
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| 21:29.54 | McSalty | petemc: if you're right then i think there's something wrong with my installation, because the binary "runlevel" doesn't exist. i tried 'find' and nothing was found |
| 21:30.16 | bfig | quibit, the only reason i think this would not work is if you get the size of the disk by some software means (ie, checking previous partitions). i am not really sure how you get that info but other than that i don't see a real problem |
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| 21:30.51 | quibit | I'm guessing something like this?: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdc bs=512 count=1 |
| 21:30.58 | bfig | yes |
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| 21:31.14 | petemc | McSalty: it comes with the sysvinit package on any system i have] |
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| 21:33.59 | McSalty | petemc: you are right! on my desktop 'runlevel' is indeed in the sbin folder! there has to be something wrong. i am probably better off with a new installation then reinstalling packages. still thanks;) |
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| 21:34.41 | quibit | bfig: dd: writing `/dev/sdc': Input/output error |
| 21:34.47 | siasia | Hi, debian folks. How can I install a package as dependency which I'll install later? |
| 21:35.00 | quibit | smartctl can read the disk though |
| 21:35.07 | bfig | quibit, i've got no idea how you can write directly like that to an hdd |
| 21:35.12 | siasia | like emerge --oneshot in gentoo |
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| 21:35.42 | Vasistha | siasia: do you want to install this package now or not? Are you saying you want it to be available for installation but not installed yet? |
| 21:35.57 | Vasistha | siasia: maybe you want to download it but not install it? |
| 21:36.00 | siasia | Ok, let's get down to the details |
| 21:36.25 | Iridos | dpkg, shoot siasia |
| 21:36.25 | dpkg | blows siasia away with an Uzi |
| 21:36.29 | Iridos | oneshot :) |
| 21:36.55 | Vasistha | LVM question: I plugged in a usb drive and mounted the LVM, and umounted. Now I want to disconnect the USB. Is there any LVM command I should issue before disconnecting? |
| 21:36.59 | siasia | I have a package in testing which I want to install in stable. and this package depends on other package which is also from testing. But I don't want other deps being resolved from testing |
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| 21:37.27 | siasia | apt-get install <package>/testing |
| 21:37.36 | siasia | cannot resolve dep from stable |
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| 21:37.49 | Iridos | the solution is... you don't install from testing but you backport the needed packages |
| 21:37.52 | siasia | so I'd like to install that dep like it's a dependency for parent package |
| 21:38.13 | Vasistha | siasia: I'd use the aptitude ui, it is pretty good for resolving stuff like that. A little cumbersome but not unintuitive |
| 21:38.13 | Iridos | if you're lucky someone did it already for you and it's in the backports repository |
| 21:38.22 | siasia | to make sure that it get's removed by autoremove if I uninstall parent |
| 21:38.39 | quibit | bfig: no problem, thanks for trying - sad truth is I could have purchased new 1TB for all the time I've spent trying to diagnose this problem - samrtctl extended test say everything OK - but clearly something is borked some place |
| 21:39.09 | siasia | Vasistha, omg. Do you want me to use this UI through X forwarding? :) |
| 21:39.23 | Iridos | siasia, ^^^ as for the automatic removal .. man aptitude /markauto, |
| 21:39.28 | Vasistha | siasia: aptitude ui is a console curses interface dude |
| 21:39.48 | Vasistha | siasia: it's great in an ssh screen session |
| 21:39.56 | siasia | Vasistha, well, I'm not a debian guy :) |
| 21:40.11 | quibit | er, samrtctl = smartctl |
| 21:40.17 | siasia | ok, looks like I have some directions at least |
| 21:40.18 | Vasistha | siasia: but Iridos's advice is better, what package is it that you want from testing anyway? |
| 21:40.31 | siasia | It's gradle |
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| 21:41.11 | siasia | and |
| 21:41.15 | siasia | it's not in backports |
| 21:41.18 | siasia | :) |
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| 21:41.57 | Vasistha | !tell siasia about simple sid backport |
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| 21:42.44 | Lns | I have a NAND filesystem with Debian on it that I want to write a file every 3 seconds (in /sys) as kind of a watchdog process. Once a file is opened, does it get written to only in memory? Do I have anything to worry about if I write to a file every 3 seconds, as far as wearing the NAND out (even after years) ? |
| 21:42.57 | siasia | Vasistha, emm, what is that? |
| 21:43.34 | siasia | Vasistha, tell me what to google |
| 21:43.48 | Vasistha | siasia: did you get the /msg from dpkg? |
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| 21:44.32 | siasia | nope |
| 21:44.43 | siasia | oh sorry yes |
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| 21:44.51 | Vasistha | heh read it ;) |
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| 21:45.19 | siasia | I'd better do autopinning |
| 21:45.58 | Vasistha | Lns: I don't think you need to worry, although I am definitely not an expert on the topic. AFAIK, first of all, assuming you're using a journaling file system, there is no guarantee at all that the file will be written to the same part of the device, and also it does not get written at all until a sync operation happens (you can force that manually with a sync command) |
| 21:46.34 | Lns | Vasistha: wow thank you for that =) |
| 21:46.41 | Lns | sounds good |
| 21:46.53 | Lns | My device is using ubiFS |
| 21:47.37 | Iridos | dpkg, tell siasia about backports |
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| 21:47.59 | Iridos | alright... you knew that already and Vasistha gave you the other one |
| 21:48.00 | Vasistha | Lns: secondly, I don't know much about NAND specifically, but if what you have is a solid state disk, I think they are usually designed to distribute their writes over the disk so as to reduce the possibility of wearing out particular sectors. But I dunno if your device does that |
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| 21:48.38 | Lns | Vasistha: i'm thinking it does - and reading about Ubifs ( http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/doc/ubifs.html ) makes me even more confident in it |
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| 21:49.25 | Vasistha | Lns: yeah, I was just reading wikipedia's article. It says it does write caching and wear leveling. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UBIFS |
| 21:50.02 | Lns | :) good news for me! hehe |
| 21:50.07 | Lns | thanks a bunch Vasistha |
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| 21:50.28 | Vasistha | you're welcome Lns |
| 21:50.50 | aktiv[b] | I am running debian now, with LVM and crypted disks, including a crypted root. The system runs dropbear in initramfs so I can unlock the drives over network. I want to keep the setup, but replace debian with gentoo. Anything special considerations for an installation? |
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| 21:51.55 | Vasistha | aktiv[b]: what exactly are you "keeping"? |
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| 21:54.27 | Vasistha | aktiv[b]: dropbear and your init are going to need to be replaced by gentoo's versions. I dunno if this is an option, but if you have another disk available, it would probably be easier to do a fresh gentoo install on another device, set up LVM and encryption and dropbear, and then copy over whatever settings and files you have on your debian system |
| 21:54.38 | as_df | must my deb and deb-src lines match up? for example can i have a deb line getting binary packages from wheezy and a deb-src line getting source packages from sid |
| 21:55.05 | as_df | (with the intended effect of apt-get source always getting up to date source while not running sid) |
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| 21:55.31 | Vasistha | aktiv[b]: of course an alternative to that is to just back up your important files on another (smaller?) device, and reinstall on your main one. It has the disadvantage that you won't have a working system while you are installing, but if you don't have a spare hard drive around that you want to transfer to, it may be the best option |
| 21:55.32 | aktiv[b] | Vasistha: Probably nothing, but I want the same setup with gentoo. I want to know if there is anything special I need to take into account when doing the installation. Like if the dropbear setup is straight forward or if I need to do some custom scripting and tweaking |
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| 21:55.43 | aktiv[b] | I do not have another disk available |
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| 21:55.52 | Vasistha | aktiv[b]: well that's really a question for gentoo |
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| 21:56.21 | Vasistha | aktiv[b]: I mean, I don't really know of a way to "upgrade" a system to a different distro... #gentoo might know, but... it's a pretty uncommon request |
| 21:56.30 | babilen | as_df: They are independent of each other and it is, for example, perfectly fine to only have a deb-src line for one release. This is, in fact, recommended for a lot of use cases. |
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| 21:56.49 | as_df | babilen: great |
| 21:57.11 | babilen | as_df: See for example "/msg dpkg ssb" for a short overview on how to backport packages from sid to squeeze. |
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| 21:57.46 | aktiv[b] | Vasistha: I thought I was in #gentoo, my bad :) |
| 21:57.55 | Vasistha | ha |
| 21:57.59 | aktiv[b] | hehe |
| 21:58.12 | iorek | yah what do you want in gentoo^^ stay here! |
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| 22:05.18 | as_df | babilen: this doesn't seem to work without specifying versions :-| |
| 22:05.34 | as_df | babilen: for example, apt-get source iceweasel gives me 8.0-3 and i have to specify iceweasel=9.0.1-1 |
| 22:05.36 | ryn | i've got a string of text i want to search for on my Squeeze server… i ran updatedb and then did "locate <string>" but it didn't find it, altho i *know* the string is in a .php file on the server… how can i make sure it's searching/indexing everything? |
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| 22:07.25 | Vasistha | ryn: updatedb / locate only look for file names, they do not look at file contents |
| 22:07.54 | ryn | Vasistha: well that would explain it then :) |
| 22:08.00 | ryn | any other tool i can use to search content? |
| 22:08.24 | babilen | as_df: That is with both wheezy and sid (or testing/unstable) deb-src lines? |
| 22:08.49 | Vasistha | ryn: well you can always use find -name '*.php' -exec grep 'your search term' {} + |
| 22:08.49 | forgotten | on the entire system?? u dont know where the php file is ur wanting to search? |
| 22:09.14 | forgotten | or there u go Vasistha, perfect. |
| 22:09.14 | babilen | as_df: And it should be mentioned that you can get backported iceweasel binary packages from http://mozilla.debian.net |
| 22:09.23 | Vasistha | ryn: find is slower than locate but unfortunately locate doesn't have all those powerful features that find does |
| 22:09.25 | ryn | forgotten: i know the php and html files are in /var/www but kinda wanted to search text all over just to see |
| 22:09.37 | ryn | Vasistha: thank you i'll give that a try |
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| 22:09.48 | Vasistha | ryn: well then start with find /var/www -those -params ... and you can search the whole drive later |
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| 22:10.21 | ryn | Vasistha: it's working great - very sexy! |
| 22:10.23 | ryn | thank you |
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| 22:11.55 | Vasistha | ryn: np. There are some file indexing services, I think nepomuk or akonadi (sp?) might do that... I think they're part of KDE4... but I'm not really sure. People have had need for indexing, so I'm sure there are some solutions |
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| 22:12.29 | as_df | babilen: no that's only with sid deb-src lines |
| 22:12.38 | as_df | well, line |
| 22:12.41 | as_df | wheezy deb line |
| 22:13.05 | babilen | as_df: Which release are you tracking? What do you need the IW source package for? |
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| 22:14.25 | as_df | babilen: i'm tracking wheezy but would like a sid iceweasel |
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| 22:15.18 | as_df | babilen: i guess i could just download the binary dpkg from sid but i'm looking for a more general solution that would allow me (e.g.) to apply patches |
| 22:15.55 | babilen | as_df: I would recommend to add sid binary repositories and to set the default release to wheezy (/msg dpkg default release) -- That enables you to pull selected packages directly from sid. There is no real need to backport them. |
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| 22:16.24 | as_df | babilen: hmm okay |
| 22:16.43 | abrotman | gives babilen the stink eye |
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| 22:17.02 | babilen | as_df: You can also use "-t sid" to temporarily raise sid's priority. |
| 22:17.10 | babilen | abrotman: Why? |
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| 22:18.38 | babilen | !tell as_df -about tum |
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| 22:20.30 | almonds | quick question - ifconfig -a starts my interfaces at eth3 to eth5 -there was a file somewhere that i deleted before that upon reboot it reset my interfaces to start at eth0 - where is that file? |
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| 22:20.41 | abrotman | !tell almonds about z70 |
| 22:21.04 | almonds | perfect, thats it |
| 22:21.06 | almonds | thats so much |
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| 22:21.28 | Tau | hi |
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| 22:21.48 | abrotman | bye |
| 22:22.04 | forgotten | lol |
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| 22:28.31 | Tau | hey |
| 22:29.08 | p01s0nb1t | Hello Tau |
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| 22:34.44 | _Mikey | Hey |
| 22:34.55 | _Mikey | anyone online using wheezy? |
| 22:35.17 | babilen | _Mikey: Better chances in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net - But assume "yes" |
| 22:35.29 | kwame | _Mikey: I bet lotś of people |
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| 22:35.34 | _Mikey | ohh |
| 22:35.38 | kwame | lot's |
| 22:35.49 | babilen | *lots :) |
| 22:35.57 | kwame | babilen: you are rivht |
| 22:36.01 | kwame | doh! |
| 22:36.02 | kwame | right! |
| 22:36.03 | _Mikey | I'm just wondering if anyones running it on a laptop.. and how "stable "they're finding it? |
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| 22:36.41 | abrotman | it'd be different for most people depending what they run |
| 22:36.41 | kwame | _Mikey: I'm running it on my desktop I use for work and don't find any issues |
| 22:36.41 | abrotman | i am, it's mostly fine |
| 22:36.41 | _Mikey | cool |
| 22:36.56 | _Mikey | I'm running squeeze and everythings perfect |
| 22:37.03 | abrotman | with gnome3, and gtk3, and flash being gtk2 .. that's one issue .. |
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| 22:37.30 | _Mikey | ahh thanks for the heads up abrotman. |
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| 22:37.43 | abrotman | but still works in FF/IW |
| 22:37.51 | _Mikey | not in chrome? |
| 22:38.04 | _Mikey | chrome seem to have their own flash thing going on.. |
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| 22:39.13 | abrotman | i do'nt use chrome, NFC |
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| 22:41.29 | thewanderer1 | _Mikey, Squeeze+Wheezy+Sid combo for me, works mostly nice apart from the very poor GNOME/KDE integration (GNOME3 breaks ALL desktop compatibility except for GNOME3 environments) |
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| 22:41.36 | Nienna | hi |
| 22:42.09 | laodie | had a kernel crash, can't shutdown computer using the software nor the terminal |
| 22:42.15 | abrotman | thewanderer1: you mean for non-GNOME3 ? |
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| 22:42.35 | _Mikey | thewanderer1, you combo? |
| 22:42.39 | abrotman | thewanderer1: perhaps if you were on *one* release of Debian that wouldn't happen ? |
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| 22:43.10 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, maybe, but then Wheezy is a non-release at this time :P |
| 22:43.39 | g00se | I was using dialog over ssh with no X forwarding and was surprised to see the dialog show on my local terminal. Why does it not show on the remote machine? |
| 22:43.42 | abrotman | neither is sid .. |
| 22:43.59 | thewanderer1 | true - he asked about running Wheezy so I answered though :P |
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| 22:44.45 | abrotman | but you're not running wheezy |
| 22:44.51 | abrotman | so uh .. you can't comment |
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| 22:46.52 | _Mikey | hehe |
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| 22:47.07 | _Mikey | no worries thanks thewanderer1 and abrotman |
| 22:47.34 | _Mikey | I'll pull wheezy this weekend and if I can't survive without flash |
| 22:47.42 | _Mikey | or I loose my wireless drivers |
| 22:47.44 | abrotman | as i said .. it works in IW |
| 22:47.48 | _Mikey | I'll reinstall. |
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| 22:48.05 | bint | can i copy a file and rename it the same time like: cp /home/bint/file.bin /home/bint/copy.of.file.bin ? |
| 22:48.11 | _Mikey | hmm I'll be fine with iceweasel till chrome gets things sorted too |
| 22:48.31 | _Mikey | there wouldn't be much chance of me loosing wireless card support would there? |
| 22:48.49 | abrotman | bint: did you try it ? |
| 22:48.56 | bint | nope i'm not on the shell |
| 22:48.59 | bint | just came to my mind :D |
| 22:49.21 | thewanderer1 | _Mikey, well, Flash Player works for me in Chromium browser |
| 22:49.51 | abrotman | the only place it doesn't work for me is Epiphany .. which is a gnome3 browser, so it may not impact you |
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| 22:50.19 | _Mikey | cool, cheers guys. |
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| 22:55.10 | sanitypassing | I'm having some problems mounting my external drive. It says that an operation is already pending, but there isn't one. |
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| 22:56.06 | blubberdiblub | bint, yes, should be possible. at least when using *ix-ish filesystems. as long as cp holds the file handle open, it doesn't care if you rename, move or delete the source file under its feet |
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| 22:56.29 | sanitypassing | can anyone tell me why said drive won't mount? |
| 22:57.28 | forgotten | i got back, missed the rest of ur dialog. |
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| 23:02.00 | sanitypassing | can anyone help me figure out why my external drive isn't mounting? |
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| 23:04.58 | gnarface | sanitypassing: maybe. i can certainly make a few guesses. lets start with you giving us more information like, what type of drive it is and what interface you're hooking it to, what its partition/formatting scheme is and what version of debian you're using |
| 23:05.15 | gnarface | sanitypassing: it would also help if you had any external drives that DO mount you could compare this one to |
| 23:06.02 | babilen | Also: How you are trying to mount it and what the actual output of that command is (use http://paste.debian.net if you want to show something) |
| 23:06.14 | sanitypassing | gnarface: it's a seagate freeagent go (500GB), it's going through the USB, it should be either FAT32 or NTFS, I can't quite remember, and I should be running the latest debian release |
| 23:06.59 | sanitypassing | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/152899/ |
| 23:07.07 | sanitypassing | and I'm mounting it through nautilus |
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| 23:08.34 | gnarface | sanitypassing: my first guess is you don't have the right filesystem driver, or the filesystem is borked beyond recognition. have you successfully mounted fat32 or ntfs drives from this machine before? |
| 23:08.42 | robin_k | Hello all! Just wondering, is there anyone who could possibly help me out with a Courier problem on a Debian-based server? |
| 23:08.51 | babilen | !ntfs-3g |
| 23:08.53 | dpkg | NTFS-3G is a userspace driver providing NTFS read and write support. "aptitude install ntfs-3g". Usage examples: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/#usage . Also ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 23:08.55 | sanitypassing | gnarface: yes, but under windows XP. |
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| 23:09.23 | babilen | sanitypassing: Try installing ntfs-3g (I suspect it to be NTFS) and try to mount it as detailed on the tuxera site |
| 23:09.34 | babilen | robin_k: Just ask |
| 23:09.40 | sanitypassing | babilen: debian reports that I already have that package. |
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| 23:10.39 | robin_k | Haha, alright! |
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| 23:11.18 | sanitypassing | babilen: it says the NTFS signature is missing, and I may have the drive wrong. |
| 23:11.32 | sanitypassing | Ah, wait, just a moment... |
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| 23:11.48 | robin_k | Well, first off, I'm running Plesk on the server since there will be a couple of users doing administrative tasks who aren't that happy with non-graphical interfaces… |
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| 23:12.42 | babilen | I don't know which filesystem is used there -- You can replug the drive and run "dmesg|tail -n13" to see which block device it is .. Try to mount it manually and report the results. (for different fs types, also "fdisk -l /dev/sd?" and "file /dev/sd??" |
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| 23:12.45 | robin_k | Anyways, I've installed that on a fresh Debian 6 installation. |
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| 23:13.30 | sanitypassing | babilen: it mounted. :) |
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| 23:13.39 | sanitypassing | I was using the wrong device. It was sdb1. :) |
| 23:13.43 | sanitypassing | Thanks for the help! |
| 23:13.44 | babilen | sanitypassing: Even better :) -- What was the trick? |
| 23:13.46 | babilen | ah! ;) |
| 23:13.49 | babilen | have fun |
| 23:13.54 | sanitypassing | Thanks! |
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| 23:14.45 | vereteran | hi |
| 23:15.01 | robin_k | It's running quite well so far. Problem is, there's an issue with the mail service as it seems. I have Postfix running and it's sending / receiving messages just fine. However, when I try to connect to Courier through POP3 / IMAP using an external Mail client, I'm having an issue where the Mail client will successfully establish a connection with the server, but won't retrieve any messages stored in the inbox, no matter what I do. |
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| 23:15.23 | robin_k | However, when I log into Horde web mail, I can see all of the stuff that's in my inbox just fine... |
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| 23:15.52 | Owner | can two systems mount one iSCSI device/filesystem read-write without corrupting it every write? |
| 23:15.52 | robin_k | So, I'm wondering… How could I possibly track down this issue and then attempt to solve it? |
| 23:15.55 | vereteran | i've installed package linuxlogo, but i see no changes when i login via ssh. i've even tried to run /etc/init.d/linuxlogo start. didn't help. even rebooted (i know thats stupid, but i can play with box for now). doesn't help :( |
| 23:16.00 | vereteran | how do i fix that |
| 23:16.00 | vereteran | ? |
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| 23:20.13 | babilen | robin_k: This is most likely a problem with your courier configuration and not related to postfix/... at all. I would check the courier logs and its configuration. I can't really help you with that because I am familiar with exim4/dovecot and not courier :-/ |
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| 23:20.34 | Owner | can two systems mount one iSCSI device/filesystem read-write without corrupting it every write? |
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| 23:21.23 | |Xabbu | How can I tell hal, that my automounter (thunar-volman) might mount anything higher than sdBx (sdc1, sdd1, sde1, etc)? |
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| 23:22.41 | |Xabbu | I habe a sata slot, wehre I can plug in any sata disk, but I alway get an error "'org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.PermissionDenied' 'Refusing to mount device /dev/sdc1 for uid=1000.' |
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| 23:25.10 | Vasistha | Owner: two systems mount one device? probably not... what are you trying to do? |
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| 23:25.47 | Owner | I want to use NFS |
| 23:25.59 | Owner | they seem to think they can use iSCSI and have multiple systems use the same filesystem |
| 23:26.09 | dondelelcaro | Owner: only if they know how to do cooperative locking |
| 23:26.22 | robin_k | Babilen: Yep, I was guessing that it's probably only related to Courier, and I'll do that. Damn, that's something I don't like about using a control panel for server management, you can click through everything which can be nice, and it's cool if it all works, but you don't really know what's going on behind the scenes and if anything's not working, well, you're screwed... |
| 23:26.25 | Owner | dondelelcaro| how would that work with ext4 |
| 23:27.21 | dondelelcaro | Owner: it wouldn't; you need to use a fileystem which is designed to work with a shared disk |
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| 23:27.52 | dondelelcaro | Owner: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_file_systems#Shared_disk_file_systems |
| 23:29.14 | dondelelcaro | Owner: NFS can do some of that, but it really depends on the problem specification; iscsi is fine as a transport layer (ethernet or infiniband or whatever else can work to), but it's not a magic bullet that gets around the need to handle IO contention |
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| 23:29.35 | Owner | dondelelcaro| thank you |
| 23:29.49 | Owner | i wonder if they are planning to use VMFS or something with vmware... |
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| 23:30.06 | dondelelcaro | (now, that said, it is certianly possible to do hot spares with iSCSI and ext4, but even that can be a bit dangerous) |
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| 23:30.48 | Owner | awesome |
| 23:30.52 | Owner | they agreed with me to use NFS |
| 23:31.00 | Owner | dondelelcaro| thanks so much |
| 23:31.15 | dondelelcaro | Owner: np; you may actually want to look at GFS or similar instead of NFS if you need failover or similar |
| 23:31.30 | dondelelcaro | Owner: but without knowing the precise problem set, it's hard to tell you too much more |
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| 23:31.30 | Owner | does NetApp support GFS :) |
| 23:31.47 | dondelelcaro | Owner: yes. |
| 23:31.49 | Owner | i think if the netapp failes we have bigger problems |
| 23:31.54 | Owner | ok thanks |
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| 23:32.44 | sanitypassing | How can I install dependencies through sudo apt-get -f install without using a disc? |
| 23:33.29 | gnarface | sanitypassing: i thought that's what it does by default. also, why -f? |
| 23:33.40 | sanitypassing | gnarface: It's just what the website told me to do. |
| 23:33.44 | epsilon | sanitypassing: what's your apt source? |
| 23:33.51 | sanitypassing | epsilon: no idea? I just install debian. |
| 23:34.04 | sanitypassing | I used a USB drive though, and the package manager doesn't seem to like that |
| 23:34.06 | epsilon | cat /etc/apt/sources.lst |
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| 23:34.46 | sanitypassing | epsilon: http://paste.debian.net/152905/ |
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| 23:35.15 | lord_rob | Hi ! What's a good USENET client in Debian ? |
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| 23:35.24 | gnarface | sanitypassing: i would remove every url in there that doesn't belong to debian.org (including the one pointing to your cdrom) |
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| 23:35.37 | gnarface | wtf is spotify anyway? |
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| 23:35.59 | epsilon | sanitypassing: looks fine for me, now comment the CD line and the last one, unless you know what it is |
| 23:36.17 | sanitypassing | epsilon: Yeah, it's for the Spotify linux preview |
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| 23:36.54 | Vasistha | lord_rob: pan |
| 23:38.08 | sanitypassing | epsilon: commenting out that CD part seems to have worked. Thanks. :) |
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| 23:39.31 | lord_rob | looks very nice thanks Vasistha |
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| 23:40.07 | Vasistha | gnarface: I think it may be some kind of online music sharing service, but I'm not really sure |
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| 23:41.19 | Coded1 | Hello all |
| 23:42.51 | Coded1 | I need some help mounting usb flash drives. Right now this is the procedure I take. (as user) "mkdir -p /media/somedir" (as root) "# mount -t vfat -o rw,user /dev/sdXX" |
| 23:43.20 | Coded1 | but that does not allow me user read / write acess to the files |
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| 23:46.03 | abrotman | what are the permissions on /media/somedir/ ? |
| 23:46.11 | gnarface | Coded1: not sure if this is your problem but i remember a while back noticing that the vfat module will override the default read-write access with read-only access when it detects you've mounted a filesystem that needs fscking. |
| 23:46.40 | Coded1 | su |
| 23:46.44 | Coded1 | lol oops |
| 23:46.57 | forgotten | Coded1: you should be able to just do mount /dev/sdb1 /media/somedir |
| 23:47.03 | abrotman | what are the permissions on /media/somedir/ ? |
| 23:47.04 | forgotten | with rw access |
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| 23:47.33 | abrotman | no really .. what are the perms ? |
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| 23:48.07 | Coded1 | /media/somedir = dwxr-xr-x root root |
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| 23:48.22 | abrotman | Coded1: make it 777 maybe ? |
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| 23:48.39 | themill | ewww 777 bad abrotman |
| 23:48.40 | Coded1 | but before I mount it, it is owned by user:user |
| 23:48.46 | jelly-home | eyes abrotman suspiciously |
| 23:49.01 | Coded1 | but right after it's mounted it becomes owned by root |
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| 23:49.12 | harris | hello |
| 23:49.13 | Coded1 | changing permissions while its mounted gives an error |
| 23:49.19 | abrotman | no kidding .. |
| 23:49.20 | harris | how does xubuntu compare to ubuntu |
| 23:49.27 | Vasistha | harris: ask #ubuntu |
| 23:49.35 | jelly-home | Coded1: that's expected if there's a proper unix filesystem there |
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| 23:50.03 | harris | how does debian compare to ubuntu then |
| 23:50.06 | harris | i dont know anything about linux |
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| 23:50.15 | jelly-home | Coded1: or if it something like vfat or ntfs but no uid= mount option provided |
| 23:50.33 | harris | im looking for a linux thats good for someoen who dosent know it |
| 23:50.46 | p01s0nb1t | define good |
| 23:50.49 | Coded1 | so any ideas? I know if I add it to fstab it will work as I've done the same for other partitions but that seems like a kludge if I want to mount other flash drives |
| 23:50.56 | Igneous | harris: gentoo is a good distribution of beginners |
| 23:51.05 | Coded1 | ouch |
| 23:51.06 | Coded1 | lol |
| 23:51.09 | gnarface | harris: debian is good for you like medicine with no sugar. |
| 23:51.11 | p01s0nb1t | who want to learn to compile with gcc |
| 23:51.20 | Coded1 | wohoo |
| 23:51.24 | Coded1 | I do I do |
| 23:51.28 | abrotman | harris: this channel isn't for distro comparison .. do you have a question about Debian ? |
| 23:51.29 | Vasistha | harris: depends what you want to do. ubuntu is easier for getting a system working with 3d graphics and other exotic things. But debian is easier to maintain in the long run, and I think the support is better. |
| 23:51.30 | harris | well i just tried ubuntu bootable on a bad laptop, and everything worked right away, wireless internet, and everything, no problems |
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| 23:51.46 | Coded1 | harris; ubuntu and mint are what you are looking for |
| 23:51.49 | *** mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ |
| 23:51.50 | *** kick/#debian [padmee!~abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman] by abrotman (you should know better) |
| 23:51.50 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 23:51.53 | jelly-home | harris: keep using it. |
| 23:51.54 | p01s0nb1t | "for getting a system working" with blobs, formware, closed codecs, etc |
| 23:51.58 | p01s0nb1t | firmware |
| 23:52.08 | forgotten | Debian is the sh*t! |
| 23:52.14 | p01s0nb1t | kick ! |
| 23:52.23 | forgotten | sorry :S, i <3 it :S |
| 23:52.47 | *** part/#debian Tobias| (~Tobias@unaffiliated/tobias/x-2050245) |
| 23:52.48 | p01s0nb1t | I'll not change my judgement on debina by an IRC statement |
| 23:52.52 | p01s0nb1t | debian |
| 23:52.52 | Coded1 | harris: the difference between xubuntu is good for slower computers and Ubuntu/Kubuntu are just differnt looks to the same software |
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| 23:53.33 | abrotman | if you want to discuss Ubuntu, go to #ubuntu or ##linux, thank you |
| 23:54.04 | Coded1 | anyone have an idea about my mounting problem then? |
| 23:54.05 | Coded1 | :) |
| 23:54.16 | abrotman | i gave you a suggestion |
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| 23:54.41 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@79.133.201.85] by abrotman |
| 23:54.41 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
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| 23:54.54 | *** kick/#debian [padmee!~abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman] by abrotman (you should know better) |
| 23:54.54 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 23:55.01 | abrotman | keeps forgetting that kick part ... |
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| 23:55.16 | Vasistha | scripts are good :P |
| 23:55.18 | Coded1 | abrotman: I can't chmod while its mounted ... before I mount it I already did "chown user:user /media/somedir" but after mounting it, it just gets given to root |
| 23:55.20 | abrotman | it was a script! |
| 23:55.26 | p01s0nb1t | spamed me too |
| 23:55.27 | Vasistha | ha! |
| 23:55.41 | abrotman | it's multiple macros .. i used the wrong one |
| 23:55.45 | abrotman | Coded1: okay . |
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| 23:57.23 | Future28 | Hey guys, first time Debian user here. I just installed Squeeze 64 with lxde on my new Asus i7, but it had trouble with networking on the install. When I boot into Debian now, I have no networking, only a loopback. Can anyone help me? |
| 23:57.44 | jhutchins | Future28: Yes. |
| 23:58.02 | Future28 | jhutchins, please tell me what I need to do |
| 23:58.21 | jhutchins | Tell us what kind of network connection you have and what chipset it uses. |
| 23:58.49 | Future28 | Okay, I want to set up wlan0 and eth0, and I will check up on the chipset right now |
| 23:58.53 | abrotman | !tell Future28 about interfaces |
