| 00:00.19 | Future28 | Intel® HM65 Express Chipset |
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| 00:01.40 | Future28 | I have a cat5 cable next to me and a wireless router in range, so I want to configure both, sorry if I am a bit of a newbie, I'm trying to get Linux to be my main OS from windows |
| 00:01.52 | Vasistha | I have an old hard drive that I just cleaned out, with the exception of a bootable windows partition. I'd like to install a bootloader that can boot that partition easily... it'd be fine to restore the old windows bootloader, but I have no idea how to do that. Is there a way to get grub into the MBR in a way that doesn't need to actually read a linux partition, and can just do a chainloader +1 boot? |
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| 00:02.17 | abrotman | Future28: pick one to start with, we'll go from there |
| 00:02.31 | Future28 | We will do the wlan first |
| 00:02.34 | _nag | Future28: and, welcome. |
| 00:02.39 | Future28 | Thanks guys |
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| 00:03.02 | abrotman | Future28: do you know your wifi chipset? 'lspci -nn' might help you figure that out |
| 00:03.59 | Future28 | I'm currently in windows but I will find out |
| 00:04.16 | abrotman | you can find out from windows |
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| 00:05.02 | Future28 | AR9002WB-1ng Atheros |
| 00:05.17 | abrotman | Future28: and you installed squeeze? |
| 00:05.21 | abrotman | !ath9k |
| 00:05.22 | dpkg | ath9k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver supporting PCI/PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN devices with Atheros chips. It does not require firmware from userspace. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k for more information and supported devices. For Atheros 802.11n USB device support, ask me about <ath9k_htc>, <ar9170>. |
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| 00:05.39 | Future28 | Yep I did |
| 00:05.47 | abrotman | see that URL above |
| 00:05.57 | Future28 | Okay will do |
| 00:07.06 | Future28 | In order to do that in squeeze, I will need a network to do the apt-get, so my wireless then works |
| 00:07.22 | Future28 | So how will I do it initially? |
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| 00:07.31 | streuner__ | hm, is 9002 supported at all? |
| 00:07.39 | Vasistha | Future28: are you dual-booting right now? Do you have a second computer so you could be online with windows, and also have the squeeze system booted? |
| 00:07.47 | Future28 | Dual booting, yes. |
| 00:08.02 | abrotman | Future28: you probably already have wireless-tools installed |
| 00:08.07 | streuner | listvals doesnt give any results... |
| 00:08.19 | streuner | nor the URL |
| 00:08.26 | abrotman | oh wait |
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| 00:08.50 | abrotman | !AR9002 |
| 00:08.50 | dpkg | ath9k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver supporting PCI/PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN devices with Atheros chips. It does not require firmware from userspace. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k for more information and supported devices. For Atheros 802.11n USB device support, ask me about <ath9k_htc>, <ar9170>. |
| 00:08.54 | abrotman | apparently ... |
| 00:09.07 | streuner | didnt use listkeys |
| 00:09.16 | abrotman | that list might be out of date on the wiki .. who knows |
| 00:09.24 | streuner | hm |
| 00:10.10 | Future28 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:10.17 | Future28 | sorry .fw* |
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| 00:10.49 | abrotman | that's for your wired NIC i think |
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| 00:12.21 | Future28 | Does that mean I need the firmware update for my Lan to work on squeeze? |
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| 00:12.48 | abrotman | i think so .. |
| 00:12.53 | abrotman | your wifi might just work |
| 00:13.33 | Future28 | I will change to debian now and give that wireless tools a shot |
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| 00:13.41 | Future28 | And I'll be back soon |
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| 00:21.41 | sanitypassing | This may sound stupid, but how do I change the icon set? |
| 00:21.57 | streuner | icon set of what? |
| 00:22.08 | sanitypassing | streuner: the system |
| 00:22.08 | Vasistha | sanitypassing: that is going to depend what desktop environment or application you are using |
| 00:22.16 | Vasistha | sanitypassing: are you using gnome? |
| 00:22.19 | sanitypassing | Vasistha: Yes. |
| 00:23.00 | streuner | sanitypassing: well, i just using themes |
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| 00:23.30 | Vasistha | sanitypassing: you probably want to install some kind of gnome "theme" or some such. look in aptitude for gnome-icon-theme |
| 00:23.37 | sanitypassing | Ok. |
| 00:23.57 | streuner | or/and some websites which provides themes for GNOME |
| 00:24.01 | Vasistha | sanitypassing: there may be some way to go into the gnome system settings and download themes from gnome.org directly... dunno. |
| 00:24.09 | sanitypassing | Yes, I know. :) |
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| 00:24.24 | sanitypassing | Not the first time I've run GNOME before. It's just been too long. :) |
| 00:25.01 | abrotman | gnome2 or 3? |
| 00:25.20 | sanitypassing | abrotman: if you're talking to me, I've run both,. |
| 00:25.57 | abrotman | which one are you asking about |
| 00:26.03 | sanitypassing | Oh, right. GNOME2. |
| 00:26.06 | sanitypassing | I figured it out those. |
| 00:26.12 | abrotman | though |
| 00:26.23 | sanitypassing | indeed. |
| 00:26.28 | sanitypassing | heh. |
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| 00:41.17 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 00:41.17 | dpkg | <nvz> think about it ffs <tak_2> ffs? <nvz> !ffs <dpkg> rumour has it, ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or [...] <tak_2> I need to download fast file system? |
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| 00:42.27 | Future28 | I'm back |
| 00:42.35 | Future28 | No luck with the wireless-tools |
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| 00:43.12 | Future28 | did /sbin/iwconfig wlan0 up |
| 00:43.12 | abrotman | Future28: what were you trying to do? it should have already been installed |
| 00:43.29 | Future28 | I was trying to locate it and it wasn't present |
| 00:43.44 | abrotman | Future28: dpkg -l wireless-tools |
| 00:44.08 | Future28 | Anyway, I did a scan with /sbin/iwconfig wlan0 scanning and the card did find networks |
| 00:44.14 | Future28 | I think that's the command anyway |
| 00:44.21 | Future28 | I will do that now then |
| 00:46.45 | abrotman | he should really just get the firmware for his NIC and plug in |
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| 00:48.51 | sanitypassing | how can I revert my libcairo installation? |
| 00:49.00 | abrotman | revert to what from what? |
| 00:49.23 | sanitypassing | a custom patched version. |
| 00:49.38 | sanitypassing | it was supposed to improve font rendering, but now it's causing issues with package dependencies. |
| 00:49.57 | sanitypassing | if I try sudo apt-get remove libcairo2, it'll result in half the system packages being removed. |
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| 00:50.14 | abrotman | so force the correct package to install with dpkg |
| 00:50.39 | sanitypassing | how do I do that? |
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| 00:51.32 | tharkun | sanitypassing: man dpkg | hint dpkg -f |
| 00:51.55 | Future28 | Okay, it can't find the folder for the wireless-tools |
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| 00:52.04 | Future28 | This is a damn pain :( |
| 00:52.21 | abrotman | Future28: hold on .. stop running off :) |
| 00:52.38 | Future28 | I have to boot back to debian to do things then boot back to windows to chat hahaha it's horrible |
| 00:52.38 | abrotman | judd: versions firmware-realtek |
| 00:52.40 | judd | Package: firmware-realtek on i386 -- lenny-backports/non-free: 0.27~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.32~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.34; sid/non-free: 0.35 |
| 00:53.08 | abrotman | Future28: okay .. go to packages.debian.org/firmware-realtek .. download it in windows .. put it on a USB drive, mount the USB drive, install the package |
| 00:53.31 | abrotman | says that like it's a piece of cake :) |
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| 00:53.49 | Future28 | I'll buy you a cake if this works |
| 00:54.03 | abrotman | i don't really like cake .. but okay |
| 00:54.13 | Future28 | Your loss! |
| 00:54.13 | abrotman | do you want to know how to mount the firmware in Debian ? |
| 00:54.33 | Future28 | Sure, give me the rundown |
| 00:55.37 | Future28 | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-realtek is that the one I need? |
| 00:55.54 | abrotman | Future28: put the stick in .. check dmesg to see where it is (we'll assume /dev/sdc1) .. "mkdir -p /tmp/yay/ ; mount -t auto /dev/sdc1 /tmp/yay ; cd /tmp/yay ; ls *.deb ; dpkg -i foo.deb" |
| 00:56.16 | abrotman | Future28: according to what you told us earlier, that'd be the one you need |
| 00:56.25 | Future28 | Yep, good. |
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| 00:56.30 | Future28 | I'll take notes on that now |
| 00:56.39 | I_Died_Once | hi, i'm not sure where the proper place to look for help is so i'll start here - i have a remote server i ssh into, where i attach to screen running different tasks... its a debian squeeze host... but sometime i'll get a screen and the characters are screwed up, like this - C⎺┼├␊┼├-T≤⎻␊: ▒⎻⎻┌␋␌▒├␋⎺┼/│-┬┬┬-°⎺⎼└-┤⎼┌␊┼␌⎺␍␊␍ |
| 00:56.47 | abrotman | Future28: and then you'd probably reboot, then `dhclient eth0' |
| 00:57.30 | I_Died_Once | U␊-A±␊┼├: ␉≥° 2.4.1.20120119-DEVEL-┌␋┼┤│-±┼┤-SDL |
| 00:57.33 | gnarface | I_Died_Once: you can often fix this by running the command 'reset' (without the 's) but it may be difficult since obviously you won't be able to see if you typed it right |
| 00:57.51 | gnarface | I_Died_Once: some program you're running is killing the terminal |
| 00:58.02 | gnarface | er, your shell |
| 00:58.03 | gnarface | or something |
| 00:58.04 | gnarface | dunno |
| 00:58.05 | I_Died_Once | on the server end or my end? |
| 00:58.20 | I_Died_Once | its got to be the server end |
| 00:58.32 | abrotman | Future28: and if that works, you can add http sources to your sources.list and install irssi, then chat with us from Debian |
| 00:58.37 | gnarface | I_Died_Once: doesn't matter really it could happen in either place |
| 00:58.49 | I_Died_Once | its just that one screen |
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| 00:59.24 | I_Died_Once | reset fixed it |
| 00:59.26 | tharkun | I_Died_Once: take note and next time it happens try it. ;P |
| 00:59.49 | I_Died_Once | not sure what caused it, i had to stop my runinng task to do that |
| 00:59.50 | Future28 | Once I get it working, I'm going to comment out debian disk 1 from /etc/apt/sources, add http and then get the client, and then I'll get on it with Debian |
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| 01:00.38 | gnarface | I_Died_Once: sometimes stuff dies badly when you kill it rudely. try kill -TERM first |
| 01:00.41 | abrotman | Future28: right .. you'd add something like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" .. that's the basics .. you can add contrib/non-free if you need them |
| 01:01.02 | Future28 | cheers |
| 01:01.46 | tharkun | I_Died_Once: next time it happens, detach from your screen session and then close the connection if everything is still screwed the problem is on your terminal emulator. You might as well try it on a different one |
| 01:02.21 | abrotman | just makes all this up as he goes along |
| 01:02.23 | gnarface | tharkun: no, reset fixed it. read what i said to him. |
| 01:02.33 | Future28 | abrotman, I will go try all that now |
| 01:02.40 | abrotman | heh, good luck |
| 01:02.42 | Future28 | Hopefully see you from Debian soon |
| 01:03.33 | tharkun | gnarface: sorry was typing when he posted that, I didn't see it at all |
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| 01:14.23 | jason2007 | quick question how do i change asclock themes? |
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| 01:19.11 | engla | I'm on a new computer with 64-bit proc. Why are all app's VIRT memory size suddenly huge? (I know it's not important, just wondering) |
| 01:20.16 | abrotman | you're on 64bit |
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| 01:21.41 | engla | does that make all virt memory maps larger? I thought they were sized after the thing they mapped like the binary code or data |
| 01:22.01 | engla | liferea 1704M virt :-) |
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| 01:22.47 | abrotman | for Iceweasel ? |
| 01:22.52 | engla | for liferea |
| 01:22.58 | abrotman | no clue what that is |
| 01:23.01 | engla | feed reader. |
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| 01:23.15 | abrotman | if you close it, reopen it .. does it just start going up again ? |
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| 01:23.33 | esad | hi everyone, I'm trying to mount /var/log as tmpfs |
| 01:23.45 | esad | but postgresql fails looking for /var/log/postgresql on new start |
| 01:23.58 | esad | no trace of full path to logfile in psql config files |
| 01:23.59 | esad | any ideas? |
| 01:24.07 | esad | (except creating the directory on every boot) |
| 01:24.15 | engla | well it starts out at 1450MB virt map |
| 01:24.19 | engla | interesting |
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| 01:26.19 | Future28 | I want to kiss you! |
| 01:26.38 | Future28 | I'm on Debian |
| 01:26.47 | abrotman | Future28: so which part do you want to fix now ? |
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| 01:27.17 | Future28 | So we just fixed eth0 right, so I'm online using my lan cable? |
| 01:27.30 | abrotman | did you configure your wireless? :) |
| 01:27.34 | Future28 | So I might try to install wicd and see if I can get wireless to work |
| 01:27.38 | Future28 | I will do that now |
| 01:27.40 | Future28 | :) |
| 01:27.47 | abrotman | Future28: did oyu get a GUI, or not htat far yet? |
| 01:27.57 | Future28 | A gui for Debian? |
| 01:28.02 | abrotman | i have one .. |
| 01:28.10 | Future28 | Yeah, using lxde |
| 01:28.26 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 01:28.41 | Future28 | I want to change my init level so it boots to command line though, what's the init level in Debian for that? |
| 01:28.45 | Future28 | I came from Arch |
| 01:29.30 | abrotman | well .. you would '/msg dpkg nodm" .. we don't have run levels like arch/rh |
| 01:29.39 | abrotman | 2-5 are the same on debian by default |
| 01:30.00 | Future28 | Oh right |
| 01:30.16 | Future28 | So I just run that command and I will then always boot to a command line? |
| 01:30.46 | abrotman | Future28: dpkg is a bot in this channel . that's an IRC command |
| 01:30.58 | Future28 | Haha, what a nub! |
| 01:31.11 | abrotman | no, the nub is the trackpoint on thinkpads |
| 01:31.11 | Future28 | Can you help me work out my wireless? |
| 01:31.16 | abrotman | sure .. |
| 01:31.20 | Future28 | Is that what it's called? |
| 01:31.23 | Future28 | Wow |
| 01:31.32 | abrotman | Future28: dmesg | grep wlan .. see anything ? |
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| 01:31.36 | abrotman | !trackpoint |
| 01:31.36 | dpkg | A pointing stick (aka TrackPoint, TouchStyk) is an isometric joystick used as a pointing device. To configure for use with <ThinkPad> laptops, see http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad/Trackpoint . See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointing_stick and http://xkcd.com/243/ . For support of the touchpad, ask me about <synaptics>. |
| 01:32.06 | Future28 | [ 1031.750785] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not read |
| 01:32.22 | abrotman | not awful .. so probably just install wicd and configure it |
| 01:32.34 | Future28 | sudo apt-get install wicd |
| 01:32.34 | cthuluh | esad: well, re-creating the postgresql seems to be the only sane option, what else would you want to do? |
| 01:32.36 | Future28 | correct? |
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| 01:33.12 | esad | cthuluh: reconfigure postgresql, but it seems to be complicated to do it so that it writes all logiles just to /var/log |
| 01:33.20 | abrotman | Future28: i'd recommend using aptitude .. but whichever |
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| 01:34.04 | Future28 | I'm not sure how to use it very well, is there a main difference in using aptitude and apt-get? I'm not familiar with apt manager |
| 01:34.23 | abrotman | Future28: aptitude install wicd |
| 01:34.27 | cthuluh | esad: the same will happen with many other software packages, so why bother? |
| 01:34.33 | nsadmin | !why aptitude |
| 01:34.33 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. lenny->squeeze). Read the release notes and http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
| 01:34.36 | abrotman | syntax is mostly the same |
| 01:34.54 | nsadmin | a coupla things are missing, like aptitude source |
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| 01:35.09 | nsadmin | I hope they get around to adding those |
| 01:35.11 | esad | cthuluh: It's a VM image that needs to be versioned |
| 01:35.42 | Future28 | Oh yeah, that sounds better, awesome! |
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| 01:36.25 | nsadmin | so where you type things like apt-get update and apt-get install foo, you can aptitude update and aptitude install foo |
| 01:36.45 | abrotman | i'm sure he can read a man page ... |
| 01:37.13 | nsadmin | and it has a cute curses-based interface which you get if you run aptitude with no args |
| 01:37.27 | Future28 | Also, I was told to lock down my /etc/host.deny and add " ALL:ALL" |
| 01:37.35 | Future28 | Is that correct? |
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| 01:38.01 | nsadmin | depends on what you want... but it sounds reasonable if you know what it does exactly |
| 01:38.29 | rainfyre | Hi all, I'm installing Squeeze and the default is wanting to create a 12 gig swap partition. This just seems excessive. Comments? |
| 01:38.39 | mystogan | hi guys, i'm trying to setup internet connection sharing with my ubuntu box. In network manger i've set auto eth0 to shared with other computers, but still no conneciton in my ubuntu box, i fell like i'm missing something |
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| 01:39.10 | nsadmin | rainfyre, 6g ram? |
| 01:39.15 | Future28 | rainfyre: I just did Squeeze with an 18 gb swap, and felt the same, but it's no loss to me |
| 01:40.09 | rainfyre | Future28: ok. nsadmin yes, I have 6 gb ram |
| 01:40.47 | nsadmin | there was a time long ago when the -requirement- was double ramsize for swap, and this may come from that, but the 2x ram has not been a required amount for a long time |
| 01:40.49 | rainfyre | Future28: k. I'll go for it |
| 01:41.02 | rainfyre | nsadmin: Yeah, I just remembered that when you asked |
| 01:41.47 | nsadmin | some things will be fairly slow with more swap |
| 01:41.55 | Future28 | Well I did the 18gb swap with 12gb ram |
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| 01:42.25 | rainfyre | nsadmin: Can I adjust swappiness to make things faster? Future28 12 gb ram is insane, what are you doing with all that memory? |
| 01:42.50 | nsadmin | hoe much free and consecutive disk space do you have that you weren't thinking of using? |
| 01:43.18 | Future28 | rainfyre, it was meant to be 16 gb but the distro messed up so I got an extra 4 for my pc instead hahaha. I have no idea why it came with so much ram, new computer |
| 01:43.20 | Future28 | Laptop* |
| 01:43.22 | dondelelcaro | it really depends on what you're doing with the machine; for most usages now, you probably don't need much if any swap. |
| 01:43.34 | nsadmin | rainfyre, maybe he has like 10 debians running at once! |
| 01:43.35 | rainfyre | nsadmin: I have a 500gb drive, I'm not going to use anywhere near all of it |
| 01:44.00 | rainfyre | nsadmin: heh :) |
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| 01:44.28 | rainfyre | dondelelcaro: I know, I thought the same thing. 12 gb of my disk space just seems excessive |
| 01:44.28 | nsadmin | -maybe- you should look into lvm with all that space |
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| 01:45.09 | rainfyre | nsadmin: ok. I had previously installed with lvm but I don't really understand it and I had issues with repartitioning afterwards when I decided to have a dual boot |
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| 01:45.28 | nsadmin | maybe have a relatively tiny install, maybe a throwaway |
| 01:45.41 | rainfyre | nsadmin: hmm |
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| 01:47.17 | Future28 | abrotman, regarding adding the sources, what was the rest of the link? I have http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ |
| 01:47.17 | nsadmin | oh, ok... so for the not understanding part, read up especially on how pvs, vgs and lvs relate to each other... note that my own preference is to run each lvm vg on a single drive, or put an lvm pv on a real, hardware raid |
| 01:47.37 | nsadmin | my use case is mostly about adding space to partitions |
| 01:47.44 | rainfyre | nsadmin: ok. lots of reading to catch up on. |
| 01:47.46 | rainfyre | nsadmin: ahh ok |
| 01:48.09 | nsadmin | most often, I add like 10g to my /home vol |
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| 01:50.01 | abrotman | Future28: deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 01:50.36 | simonlnu | debian had a cdn before the term got popular... |
| 01:50.51 | daemonkeeper | Debian had a CDN before everyone called them CDN. |
| 01:51.03 | simonlnu | that's exactly what i meant ;) |
| 01:51.24 | simonlnu | actually, that's what i was thinking, but came out like that ^^^ |
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| 01:53.12 | mystogan | hi guys, i'm trying to setup internet connection sharing with my ubuntu box. In network manger i've set auto eth0 to shared with other computers, but still no conneciton in my ubuntu box, i fell like i'm missing something |
| 01:53.34 | _nag | mystogan: you would be better served in the Ubuntu IRC channel. |
| 01:53.38 | abrotman | mystogan: you want #ubuntu |
| 01:53.44 | Future28 | Not sure what I am doing wrong here, but: E: Type 'http://cdn.debian.net/debian/' is not known on line 19 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 01:53.56 | daemonkeeper | +deb |
| 01:53.58 | abrotman | Future28: you need the "deb" at teh front of the line |
| 01:54.12 | Future28 | Right, thanks |
| 01:54.12 | simonlnu | Future28: you need it like abrotman typed it |
| 01:54.18 | mystogan | oh, i thought that maybe i'm missing a few packages?? |
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| 01:54.52 | Future28 | Oh yeah, I see the examples there commented have the deb, I should have known |
| 01:54.54 | abrotman | mystogan: how would we know .. this isn't #ubuntu ... good luck |
| 01:55.06 | simonlnu | hands abrotman a "teh funneh" |
| 01:55.18 | _nag | mystogan: as abrotman said, the folks in #ubuntu can help you better than we... this is the Debian channel. |
| 01:55.22 | _nag | simonlnu: :p |
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| 01:56.11 | mystogan | kk |
| 01:56.36 | Future28 | Okay, now it says: Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "wicd" |
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| 01:58.26 | abrotman | Future28: did oyu aptitude update after editing the file ? |
| 01:59.14 | Future28 | Ooops |
| 01:59.23 | Future28 | This is difficult haha, I feel so stupid |
| 01:59.56 | Future28 | What's the command there? |
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| 02:01.04 | Future28 | got it, nevermind |
| 02:01.54 | gnarface | Future28: that's the feeling of getting smarter ;) |
| 02:02.14 | Future28 | I felt like a superboss when a webpage loaded, thanks to abrotman |
| 02:02.16 | Future28 | hahaha |
| 02:03.06 | Future28 | I got wicd |
| 02:03.21 | Future28 | It can't find a network |
| 02:03.30 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:03.32 | Future28 | Maybe because I am still wired in |
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| 02:03.38 | abrotman | Future28: nah, it should still see it |
| 02:03.46 | Future28 | Hmm |
| 02:03.48 | Future28 | Ideas? |
| 02:04.09 | Future28 | iwconfig wlan0 up? |
| 02:05.38 | Future28 | ifconfig* |
| 02:05.47 | Future28 | Still can't see any networks |
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| 02:05.53 | abrotman | dmesg | grep wlan .. how many lines are there? |
| 02:06.31 | Future28 | [ 1031.750785] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
| 02:06.36 | Future28 | That's the lot |
| 02:06.44 | abrotman | ifup wlan0 ? |
| 02:07.18 | Future28 | Output was: Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0. |
| 02:08.37 | abrotman | if you go into the Preferences in wicd .. what does it list for the interface? |
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| 02:12.39 | Future28 | that was silly of me |
| 02:13.05 | Future28 | So, any ideas as to what we can do about this wireless? |
| 02:14.33 | Future28 | I'VE DONE IT! |
| 02:14.53 | Future28 | This is great |
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| 02:16.54 | abrotman | Future28: all worked out ? |
| 02:17.22 | Future28 | Yep, just had to add the interface to wicd, then it scanned and it's working |
| 02:17.44 | Future28 | A thought - on startup, will everything remain as it is now? Or will settings revert? |
| 02:17.46 | qxt | What is the proper way to remove an old kernel. |
| 02:17.57 | abrotman | Future28: should be fine |
| 02:18.03 | abrotman | qxt: your normal package manager |
| 02:18.10 | qxt | Often Ill just do something like this sudo apt-get remove $(dpkg -l|egrep '^ii linux-(im|he)'|awk '{print $2}'|grep -v `uname -r`) |
| 02:18.22 | abrotman | that's not good ... |
| 02:18.25 | qxt | but I am not sure that is the "smart" way of doing it |
| 02:18.28 | Future28 | also abrotman, what do I need to do in order to boot to a command line again? I forgot sorry. |
| 02:18.34 | abrotman | !tell Future28 about nodm |
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| 02:18.41 | abrotman | Future28: however .. your wifi won't work at the CLI |
| 02:18.57 | Future28 | I understand that, thanks. |
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| 02:19.46 | Future28 | so it's just startx to get the x again? as with Arch? |
| 02:20.16 | abrotman | it can be .. sure |
| 02:20.26 | abrotman | or start a DM like gdm or kdm or whatever |
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| 02:20.59 | Future28 | Yep cheers |
| 02:21.15 | qxt | abrotman so just use synaptic and do a removal or complete removal of linux-image-xxx ? |
| 02:21.28 | abrotman | qxt: hell no .. that's your meta package |
| 02:21.56 | qxt | abrotman lol, I kind of pucked up there. What did you mean then? |
| 02:22.35 | abrotman | qxt: your bash bit above could work .. but it would remove your metapackage .. not good |
| 02:22.42 | Future28 | abrotman, thanks for all of the help, might be back later if I need anything else! |
| 02:23.08 | abrotman | enjoy! |
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| 02:32.13 | abrotman | qxt: don't message me .. keep it in the channel |
| 02:33.09 | qxt | OK I got a msg telling me to do this. What do you think. apt-get remove --purge linux-image-2.6.xx |
| 02:33.16 | abrotman | msg from what? |
| 02:33.27 | qxt | a / msg kind |
| 02:34.42 | abrotman | "xx" isn't super helpful |
| 02:35.10 | qxt | linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 02:36.10 | abrotman | wasn't what i meant |
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| 02:48.04 | Future28 | Back so soon! Having issues with conky now. |
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| 02:48.26 | Future28 | I start it in bash, and then it just doesn't appear |
| 02:48.40 | qxt | lol, nej gör så här men du vet att skiten hatar Xen - cvs -d$CVSROOT checkout -rOPENBSD_5_0 -P src |
| 02:48.40 | abrotman | appear in X ? |
| 02:48.45 | abrotman | qxt: english |
| 02:48.45 | Future28 | Yeah! |
| 02:48.52 | abrotman | Future28: are you running it as root ? |
| 02:49.02 | Future28 | I may not have |
| 02:49.04 | Future28 | give me a sec |
| 02:49.14 | abrotman | you're not supposed to AFAIK |
| 02:49.20 | abrotman | i don't know much about conky |
| 02:49.41 | Future28 | It did run as root |
| 02:49.42 | Future28 | it appeared |
| 02:49.45 | Future28 | as sub it didn't |
| 02:49.58 | abrotman | okay .. not sure .. i don't use it |
| 02:50.20 | Future28 | I also want to add it to start on startup, how can I do this? Is it something to do with conky or is it an auto run thing |
| 02:50.28 | Future28 | Yep no problem |
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| 02:53.51 | Future28 | It seems to me that the .conkyrc is in the root home, and that it is not seeing my config but the standard one that is located somewhere else |
| 02:53.55 | abrotman | i mean .. how much stuff does it monitor .. is it really that useful ? |
| 02:54.19 | Future28 | I guess so, I wrote this awesome one on Arch though and really enjoyed it, so I wanted to migrate it |
| 02:56.06 | abrotman | so put it in your user dir? i really don' tknow .. remember that there are a lot of docs in /usr/share/doc/conky/ etc |
| 02:56.34 | Future28 | What is this! "This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers." |
| 02:56.36 | Future28 | Hahaha |
| 02:56.40 | Future28 | Yeah I might try that |
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| 03:02.01 | abrotman | Future28: apt-get moo |
| 03:02.56 | Future28 | I am amazed, what is this haha? |
| 03:03.31 | abrotman | also see 'aptitude -vvvv moo' |
| 03:03.48 | abrotman | and -vvvvv and -vvvvvv |
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| 03:05.37 | Future28 | Absolutely brilliant |
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| 03:06.55 | abrotman | dunno about brilliant .. but entertaining |
| 03:08.02 | Future28 | I am amazed |
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| 03:08.17 | Future28 | Mint used to have all these animals saying things when you opened terminals |
| 03:08.41 | Future28 | I got conky to run by the way, but it says "Arch stats" and stuff haha. Where can I put it to auto start? |
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| 03:16.03 | gnarface | Future28: i always use ~/.xinitrc |
| 03:16.33 | gnarface | Future28: there are probably other ways |
| 03:16.39 | Future28 | Thanks sir |
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| 03:17.43 | GJdan | just started up an AWS server with their debian AMI |
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| 03:18.14 | GJdan | and, if I create a new user, then ssh in as that user, bash doesn't start automatically |
| 03:18.42 | abrotman | did you use useradd or adduser ? |
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| 03:18.49 | GJdan | How could I make bash start automatically when any user logs in to the terminal? |
| 03:18.51 | GJdan | I used useradd |
| 03:18.56 | abrotman | use adduser |
| 03:19.07 | GJdan | aight I'll try |
| 03:19.10 | abrotman | you probably didn't read the man page for useradd .. so half the stuff isn't set correctly |
| 03:19.27 | abrotman | adduser tries to do the right thing |
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| 03:21.54 | harris | what do i type to shutdown the system |
| 03:22.22 | abrotman | shutdown? |
| 03:22.30 | harris | yes im at the black screen with username |
| 03:22.35 | harris | i want to shutdown the computer |
| 03:22.37 | gnarface | is obexftp still broken in sid? |
| 03:22.40 | harris | on linux |
| 03:23.20 | nickgaw | Hi, I have a hard drive that has two partitions one formatted as hfsplus for my mac and another formatted as x-fat that has some iso images I need to transfer over to my linux system. mount in testing won't detect it and the hfsplus is mountted read only is there a way to get either of these partitions mounting read/write? |
| 03:25.13 | GJdan | abrotman: you sir, are my hero of the day |
| 03:25.31 | abrotman | yay |
| 03:27.17 | GJdan | now this is something I've done before but have forgotten, the dpkg-reconfigure command isn't available by default cause something missing, anyone know what that is? |
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| 03:27.50 | nickgaw | what version of debian are you using as I have never had that issue? |
| 03:27.53 | justjealouse | if I want to download/install all the .debs from a url one time only, whats the fastest command |
| 03:28.11 | GJdan | me? squeeze, but it's some lame AWS AMI |
| 03:28.40 | GJdan | seems to be missing a handful of things thaat would be there if I just installed the debian build from the iso |
| 03:28.40 | nickgaw | you using amazon web services? |
| 03:28.43 | GJdan | yeah |
| 03:29.28 | nickgaw | do you know if they have any phone or email support as I am totally blind and was trying to setup a micro test server but found their control panel not very accessible? |
| 03:30.04 | silvertip257 | How do I show a package's dependencies without installing anything? I generally use `aptitude` for managing packages (manpage doesn't seem to detail what I'm looking for). |
| 03:30.40 | nickgaw | is tasksel installed on the system as standard packages might not be installed? |
| 03:30.53 | GJdan | nickgaw: heh, I'm not too sure, my boss is the one with access to the account, I just set things up after it's up and running. But with that I don't think it can be terribly complicated. I'll have a quick look though |
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| 03:31.40 | justjealouse | ? hihi Im sure someone know the answers, its a pretty trivial command if i recall |
| 03:32.39 | GJdan | nickgaw: https://aws.amazon.com/support/ |
| 03:32.46 | zykotick9 | silvertip257: using "apt-cache depdends foo" and "apt-cache rdepends foo" might help. |
| 03:32.50 | GJdan | there's phone support and documentation linked in there |
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| 03:33.38 | silvertip257 | zykotick9: I suppose that'll work just as well ... I think there's a way to do it with dpkg as well. |
| 03:33.42 | silvertip257 | Thanks ^ |
| 03:34.02 | GJdan | silvertip257: maybe aptitude -s install foo? |
| 03:34.04 | nickgaw | thanks perhaps they can help me or tell me where to go. do you know what type of instance it is? |
| 03:34.08 | GJdan | -s is simulate |
| 03:34.57 | GJdan | nickgaw: mine or yours? :P |
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| 03:34.59 | qxt | silvertip257 apt-cache show or if you want more info apt-cache showpkg |
| 03:35.25 | GJdan | mines an ec2 micro server in oregon, dunno about you |
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| 03:35.31 | nickgaw | the one you are having problems with |
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| 03:36.00 | silvertip257 | GJdan: yes ... sweet |
| 03:36.08 | silvertip257 | qxt: right on ... that's cool |
| 03:36.18 | qxt | silvertip257 =) |
| 03:36.23 | silvertip257 | Thank you zykotick9 / GJdan / qxt :P |
| 03:37.14 | GJdan | nickgaw: I gotta run now actually :\ I'll figure it out tomorrow |
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| 03:38.00 | harris | my laptop used to boot linux from CD, now it will not boot any of my linux cds, it goes straight to windows. I have bios setup correctly. nothing is wrong with the cds. i also have a windows xp cd i want to reinstall. but it wont let me because it goes straight to windows. so my computer will not boot from any cds now. the cd reader is working fine. |
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| 03:39.21 | justjealouse | harris, does it read the cd fine when you examine it through Computer, otherwise its your bios bro |
| 03:39.26 | TheLifelessOne | how can I make the font rendering work like it does in ubuntu? |
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| 03:40.51 | MrGrumpyPants | TheLifelessOne Think you need ttf-mscorefonts-installer package |
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| 03:41.26 | nickgaw | Hi, I have a hard drive that has two partitions one formatted as hfsplus for my mac and another formatted as x-fat that has some iso images I need to transfer over to my linux system. mount in testing won't detect it and the hfsplus is mountted read only is there a way to get either of these partitions mounting read/write? |
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| 03:41.48 | abrotman | !repeat |
| 03:41.49 | TheLifelessOne | MrGrumpyPants: That doesn't have a release candidate. :/ |
| 03:41.49 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 03:43.14 | harris | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.15 | MrGrumpyPants | TheLifelessOne not sure. Set up a system for a client a while back with wheezy. Think it was in contrib |
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| 03:43.29 | harris | i already put boot from CD first on the BIOS list |
| 03:43.34 | TheLifelessOne | MrGrumpyPants: I'm still pretty new to debian, so I don't quite know what that means. :/ |
| 03:44.02 | brah | Which repos should I have on stable? Security and volatile? |
| 03:44.17 | nickgaw | both of those |
| 03:44.31 | nickgaw | if you have testing I always have security |
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| 03:45.04 | brah | No main update, assuming I'm already on 5.0.9. |
| 03:46.00 | MrGrumpyPants | TheLifelessOne under /etc/apt/sources.list you will see where you are getting your stuff from. ie /debian/ testing main contrib |
| 03:46.09 | TheLifelessOne | MrGrumpyPants: Ok. |
| 03:46.12 | TheLifelessOne | Slight problem though. |
| 03:46.19 | TheLifelessOne | I have a broken package it seems. |
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| 03:46.32 | TheLifelessOne | and to repair it, it would uninstall GNOME completley. |
| 03:46.36 | TheLifelessOne | completely* |
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| 03:48.40 | karlpinc | TheLifelessOne: You may be interested in http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware |
| 03:49.20 | TheLifelessOne | karlpinc: ok... |
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| 03:50.05 | karlpinc | TheLifelessOne: That because you're new to debian. It's got the stuff I wish I knew when I started that don't seem to be anywhere else. |
| 03:50.44 | TheLifelessOne | Ok. |
| 03:51.00 | MrGrumpyPants | TheLifelessOne If your new to this stuff try it this in synaptic -> Custom Filters -> Broken and see if something is broken. eog tends to be an issue. |
| 03:51.12 | TheLifelessOne | well, to fix this broken package, it would remove 35 other packages. |
| 03:51.16 | TheLifelessOne | 305* |
| 03:51.21 | justjealouse | where is kernel configuration located |
| 03:51.31 | drwarner | I've got a working mdraid setup, 4x1.5TB, and one of the drives is failing. I've obtained a replacement, partitioned it, etc. What's the best way to add the new one and remove the old one? (preferably in a way that doesn't take weeks to rebuild) |
| 03:51.33 | karlpinc | justjealouse: /boot |
| 03:51.54 | karlpinc | drwarner: No lvm? |
| 03:51.55 | TheLifelessOne | ah damn it. |
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| 03:52.09 | drwarner | karlpinc: no. Just straight mdraid 5 |
| 03:52.32 | MrGrumpyPants | TheLifelessOne did you try to downgrade/upgrade/pin Gnome or mix sid stuff in there? |
| 03:52.58 | karlpinc | drwarner: Ah. Should be painless, although it's hard to say how long it will take to rebuild. it's gotta read all the drives. |
| 03:53.24 | drwarner | should I deactivate the old one before activating the new one? |
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| 03:54.30 | justjealouse | kkkk |
| 03:54.31 | karlpinc | drwarner: I don't use mdadm much, but you should be able to use mdadm, the stuff in the man page "Manage" section, to just drop the new drive in and remove the old. If you want a single reboot you could remove the failing drive and replace it with the new one and then do your mdadm stuff. |
| 03:55.50 | drwarner | fair enough. Thanks karlpinc. |
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| 03:57.13 | karlpinc | drwarner: You might look in the reference manual for debian, but I seem to recall the mdadm man page being pretty clear. (If you want fast rebuild times you either need raid6, I think that will work, or raid 1 (or 10). |
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| 03:59.03 | karlpinc | drwarner: As long as you're messing around you should probably look at smartmontools if you're not using them already. (And if course no matter what you always need backups.) |
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| 04:06.41 | karlpinc | drwarner: (Often it's a good idea to raid the raw device and then partition the result.) |
| 04:09.13 | drwarner | karlpinc: I've added the new drive as a spare, cranked the min & max speed limits up, and it says that my rebuild should be done in ~500 min. |
| 04:09.57 | drwarner | thank you very much for the advice. I'm definately going to do something with smartmon - I've got them, I used them to diagnose the dead drive - just need to set up automatic monitoring. |
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| 04:14.13 | zykotick9 | I'm having issues with .Xdefaults (to set xterm's default font size: without using the mouse; or using a bash alias (which I suppose is the workaround for my issue) or I was having problems, until I saw a post a long way down on forum page that says "i use .Xdefaults-myhostname" ... I don't understand, why .Xdefaults-$HOSTNAME work, while an .Xdefaults does not? this makes the config file non-portable between systems (without renaming, but that just add |
| 04:15.13 | brah | dpkg is asking me to write 'Yes! Do as I say' |
| 04:15.13 | dpkg | no idea, brah |
| 04:15.16 | brah | This can't be good. |
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| 04:17.47 | simonlnu | brah: why is it? you must have tried installing something it wants to break. |
| 04:18.09 | brah | Two broken packages, sadly. |
| 04:18.40 | simonlnu | well, will intentionally break if you OK it, i should say. |
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| 04:20.05 | brah | I can't remove vim-common because it's too inconsistent, I need to reinstall it. |
| 04:20.08 | brah | I can't do that either. |
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| 04:32.48 | cheako | Hello, how can I remove a package from the manually installed list? |
| 04:33.25 | harris | 38147 mbytes, how can i divide it to about 10 gb |
| 04:33.32 | harris | whats the formula |
| 04:35.49 | brah | cheako: You will have to use apt-mark. |
| 04:35.58 | cheako | brah: thx. |
| 04:36.35 | brah | harris: What do you mean? |
| 04:36.45 | kdog | harris: 1Gb is 1024Mb so 10Gb would be 10240Mb. |
| 04:36.49 | harris | if i make 20 gb, the drive wont be exact |
| 04:37.04 | harris | so its in powers of 2? |
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| 04:37.27 | brah | harris: Do you want 20 gigabytes, or 20 gibibytes? |
| 04:37.37 | harris | i want 20 gigabytes |
| 04:37.44 | cthuluh | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibibyte |
| 04:37.45 | harris | and another partition for 10 Gb |
| 04:38.04 | cheako | harris: VS 40GB. |
| 04:38.05 | brah | e.g. do you want it to be 2.000.000.000 bytes or 2.600.000.000~? |
| 04:38.46 | cheako | Were just talking about cutting it up into blocks on 2's power. |
| 04:39.30 | harris | so how did you get 1024 |
| 04:39.37 | harris | 2 to the power of what |
| 04:39.45 | harris | 2 to the power of what |
| 04:39.54 | cheako | 2^11 |
| 04:40.05 | cheako | 2^30, as wiki says is 1gb. |
| 04:40.48 | cheako | 16384 is 2^15. |
| 04:41.02 | cheako | ohh, wait. We need bytes? |
| 04:41.06 | cheako | not MB. |
| 04:41.13 | harris | no, we need mb |
| 04:41.23 | cthuluh | 2^11 is 2048 ; 2^30 is a GiB |
| 04:41.54 | cheako | OK so we need a number of MB that's a 2's power that 38147MB can fit into. |
| 04:42.37 | cheako | harris: Setting gnome's calculater into programming mode makes this easy... You can click on the binary representation and it converts the decimal. |
| 04:43.08 | cheako | 262144MB |
| 04:43.17 | cheako | 2^18 |
| 04:43.40 | cheako | 131072 2^17 |
| 04:43.41 | cthuluh | 05:41 < cheako> OK so we need a number of MB that's a 2's power that 38147MB can fit into. |
| 04:43.48 | cthuluh | that's 2^16 |
| 04:44.13 | cthuluh | mixing MB and MiB will only get you troubles |
| 04:44.44 | harris | hmm MB = megabytes, |
| 04:44.56 | cheako | ohh, man. Yeah. I'm out. Use gnome's calc in programmers mode and you can do all the two's power you want. |
| 04:45.21 | harris | ok |
| 04:46.07 | harris | but seems like MB and MiB are the same? |
| 04:46.14 | harris | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mebibyte |
| 04:46.15 | cheako | From what I'm looking at you can go with just one partition or two of the same size. |
| 04:46.39 | cheako | harris: 1MB = 8MiB |
| 04:46.39 | xenyz | is there a way to pick a package version in aptitude ncurses interface or do I have to do it on the command line? |
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| 04:46.51 | harris | oh i see |
| 04:47.42 | cthuluh | xenyz: go on the package entry, hit <RET>, scroll down and select your version |
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| 04:47.57 | harris | who uses the MiB system? |
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| 04:48.18 | cthuluh | computer people |
| 04:48.27 | xenyz | harris: i think it's just for ram? |
| 04:48.49 | xenyz | cthuluh: thanks |
| 04:49.11 | cthuluh | yw |
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| 04:51.33 | xenyz | cthuluh: thanks, I've got git 1.7.8.3 on stable now, cheers |
| 04:51.53 | xenyz | Didn't know about that version section way down at the end :) |
| 04:53.42 | cthuluh | that's one of the features I like most with aptitude |
| 04:53.53 | xenyz | btw haven't used debian in a few years, I'm guessing the example in the apt_preferences man page 'tracking stable' is still good ? |
| 04:54.13 | nsadmin | harris, anyone who wants to meet Will Smith? |
| 04:54.21 | cthuluh | hmmm, 1.7.7.3-1~bpo60+2 in backports |
| 04:54.27 | kdog | there's some cool comparisons on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_%28data%29 |
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| 05:01.48 | Future28 | Back again, my conky script is failing at startup. Does anyone have a working one I can add to my .xinitrc? |
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| 05:04.51 | superlinux-hp | hello |
| 05:05.41 | xenyz | btw anyone use tmux in here? |
| 05:05.57 | xenyz | nm there's a channel on freenode for everything.. hehe |
| 05:06.07 | simonlnu | yes there is ;) |
| 05:06.13 | simonlnu | does |
| 05:06.13 | superlinux-hp | what topics in IT that youtube members must have had it covered and they have not yet? I want to fill in the blanks |
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| 05:06.36 | simonlnu | why are you asking that here? |
| 05:06.47 | superlinux-hp | just taking ideas |
| 05:07.36 | superlinux-hp | I was the 1st to make tutorials about debian btw on youtube |
| 05:07.36 | simonlnu | ah well, maybe ask in ##linux? there's more distros there too |
| 05:08.10 | superlinux-hp | so I am looking for a scoop like |
| 05:08.22 | superlinux-hp | and I did for Tcl/Tk too |
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| 05:10.24 | superlinux-hp | simonlnu, do you know the youtube channel thenewboston? |
| 05:10.33 | simonlnu | no |
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| 05:11.04 | superlinux-hp | check it out. seriously.. this guy's gonna eat up all topics! |
| 05:11.07 | quuxman | is there a way to query which packages installed that are in a given release? |
| 05:12.05 | simonlnu | apt-cache can help |
| 05:13.57 | simonlnu | superlinux-hp: it's also offtopic, so join us at #debian-offtopic, as here is purely for support issues |
| 05:14.13 | superlinux-hp | ok simonlnu |
| 05:15.21 | quuxman | simonlnu: I've spent quite a bit of time trying to figure out how to do this. Are you sure apt-cache can query based on release? |
| 05:15.41 | quuxman | I haven't found anything in the documentation or with google searches |
| 05:15.52 | simonlnu | actually no, ignore that. lemme think a minutes |
| 05:15.56 | simonlnu | minute* |
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| 05:16.26 | simonlnu | aptitude can possibly, via its search |
| 05:16.59 | simonlnu | you'll probably want to install aptitude-doc-en for the gory details |
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| 05:20.34 | kdog | quuxman: I was looking into adding a sid package to my wheezy and there was some mention of pinning the sid stuff so that you had to specifically name a sid package to bring it in. |
| 05:20.34 | TheLifelessOne | is it possible to 'pipe' a text file into apt-get? |
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| 05:21.18 | kdog | quuxman: since you had to add both repo's to your sources.list you could then search by release. |
| 05:23.16 | kdog | of course, when I tried to bring in the one package, it wanted to update damn near every library on the system, so I bailed on that route to the package. |
| 05:23.22 | quuxman | TheBadShepperd: you could always run something like `apt-get install $(< packages.txt) |
| 05:23.47 | TheBadShepperd | Tab fail. |
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| 05:25.32 | quuxman | kdog: yeah, it's generally bad news to have packages from multiple releases on the same system. I attempted to upgrade, but it broke my audio and video drivers, so I had a very messy downgrade |
| 05:30.28 | quuxman | hmm, the aptitude search pattern "?archive(foo)" supposedly works |
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| 05:34.10 | quuxman | oh damn, I don't have aptitude installed, and it has conflicts |
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| 05:44.54 | quuxman | hmm, how do I figure out which packages are held? |
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| 05:50.29 | Some_Person | Does anyone know where I can find old versions of Google Chrome (NOT Chromium)? |
| 05:51.33 | yo_linux | hey, I'm having some dramas with flash storage. how do I tell if the CF card is stuffed? |
| 05:53.01 | gnarface | yo_linux: should be the same way you tell if any other disk is stuffed |
| 05:54.29 | yo_linux | gnarface, yea. ok. so I'm getting filesystem errors after power failure. Is it likely that these are hardware errors, or would a re-install fix things? |
| 05:55.05 | Some_Person | Specifically, I need a file from Chrome 15.0.874.121 |
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| 05:55.27 | gnarface | yo_linux: depends largely on a which filesystem you are using, i would guess. the errors themselves may be pertinent. have you read them? |
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| 05:56.44 | quuxman | Is there a package that provides sane command-line set operations, instead of using sort and uniq? |
| 05:57.20 | yo_linux | gnarface, yep, sure, tried to repair with fsck but system has remounted filesystems readonly overnight. Ext3 fs btw. |
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| 05:58.02 | gnarface | yo_linux: it remounted them read-only when you mounted them at that very moment and you didn't notice until later that night you mean, right? |
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| 05:59.45 | Some_Person | Nevermind, found an rpm of it on some random site |
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| 06:01.11 | yo_linux | gnarface, no, I ran fsck and it came up fine. mounted rw. I rescued some files from L+F and logs were appending, weather data accumulating and updating wunderground fine. In the morning, the wunderground uploads still working (I guess it can live in tempfs or somethig) but logging had stopped and fs had gone ro. |
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| 06:03.01 | nutron | anyone know what the client suspend command is intended for in tmux? |
| 06:03.14 | gnarface | yo_linux: sorry i got nothing. i've never seen that happen. |
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| 06:04.15 | yo_linux | gnarface, last log updated was ntp.drift: 2012-01-20 04:20 ntp.drift |
| 06:04.25 | yo_linux | I was well asleep by then :) |
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| 06:05.20 | jameshyde | what does parameter -A do with command sysstat sa2? |
| 06:06.25 | yo_linux | jameshyde, what does man say? |
| 06:06.53 | jameshyde | just one example, this is not clearly documented |
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| 06:12.22 | cardamon | Can you gues give me a hand with something? Trying to figure out this power management stuff. My bios says it's set to ACPI v1, Suspend Mode to S1 positive, and Headless, RTC, USB wake from s3/s4, power on by LAN, wake on PCI, and wake on ring are all off. When I try to use XFCE as is to suspend, it hangs at a blank screen with a flashing cursor. It won't wake, and I have to hit the physical switch. Even sysrq+B won't do anything. Whe |
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| 06:18.17 | gnarface | cardamon: i seem to recall there was a bios setting gotcha with a bunch of really popular bioses. (ami or phoenix maybe) i forget the exact setting but it had something to do with the bios using the same assumed-to-be-empty block near the beginning of your harddrive's filesystem that linux uses to locate the swap partition that you store the suspended memory image in |
| 06:18.32 | cardamon | Mines AMI. |
| 06:19.05 | gnarface | cardamon: i can't seem to dig up a link to a specific reference right now but its worth checking into. it was one of those "why the fuck is this not the default setting?" things |
| 06:20.26 | gnarface | cardamon: it also seemed to me to sound like it had nothing to do with this, and was a simple yes/no flag like: memory hole remapping yes/no or some shit |
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| 06:20.46 | brah | Apparently dpkg doesn't work if /var is mounted as noexec. |
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| 06:23.07 | gnarface | cardamon: sorry that's vague and littered with misleading inaccuracies that's all i got for you. i don't really ever shut my stuff down maybe some laptop users in here might be able to help you if you hang out long enough |
| 06:23.26 | rainfyre | Are there any very first things to check into when I boot my Squeeze box and it goes straight to the tty1 terminal? |
| 06:23.52 | gnarface | rainfyre: you mean like can you log in and can you see google? |
| 06:23.59 | rainfyre | for whatever reason, there is no gui loading. |
| 06:24.05 | gnarface | rainfyre: the gui is optional |
| 06:24.07 | rainfyre | gnarface: no. startx gives an error |
| 06:24.10 | cardamon | gnarface: There is a flag in my kern.log that says IOMMU is off. Is that related? |
| 06:24.26 | rainfyre | gnarface: but it booted into it the prevous time and I can't get it to boot into a gui at all now |
| 06:24.43 | gnarface | rainfyre: sounds like you borked your video card driver install or your xorg.conf |
| 06:24.48 | gnarface | rainfyre: that'd be my guess at least |
| 06:25.03 | gnarface | cardamon: sorry, can't say. i don't think so though... |
| 06:25.19 | rainfyre | gnarface: ok, so you'd check those and possibly reinstall them? and thank you |
| 06:25.32 | brah | rainfyre: Most likely /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 06:25.52 | brah | Guessing is not fun. |
| 06:26.07 | rainfyre | brah: no cdoubt |
| 06:26.10 | rainfyre | ugh |
| 06:26.23 | rainfyre | brah: thank you |
| 06:26.25 | gnarface | rainfyre: yea what he said. pastebin that file for us or we can't really help you |
| 06:26.57 | rainfyre | gnarface: ok, it's going to be later, I'm logged in on a different box right now. thank you both for your help |
| 06:27.46 | brah | rainfyre: Anyway, /var/log is your friend. |
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| 06:28.03 | rainfyre | brah: good to know :) |
| 06:28.15 | rainfyre | brah: i'll check it |
| 06:28.29 | cardamon | Anyone else got a clue? |
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| 06:31.16 | yo_linux | cardamon, nope, sorry. Have you tried setting bios to default? |
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| 06:31.57 | cardamon | yo_linux: That is the default. |
| 06:32.13 | Alazare619 | whats everyones opinion on sudo mv /some/file/thats/here /dev/null |
| 06:33.17 | lstarnes | rm is better |
| 06:34.19 | skilz | Whats the theory behind a null route? |
| 06:34.42 | Alazare619 | for some reason rm and rm -f arent working |
| 06:34.47 | Alazare619 | why i was thinking mv |
| 06:34.50 | Alazare619 | to /dev/null |
| 06:34.51 | lstarnes | skilz: if there isn't a route by which it can be accessed, then it can't be accessed |
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| 06:35.29 | skilz | I remember someone threatening to null route me years ago lol |
| 06:36.50 | Alazare619 | well its the same as dd if=/dev/zero of=/ |
| 06:37.10 | Alazare619 | or /dev/zero of=/dev/sd* |
| 06:37.43 | ShawnMcCool | hey, sorry to bother. I installed linux mint debian edition. things are working ok I'm just having a problem and i could use some direction as to how to further troubleshoot. When i first log in i can use the system fine, but after 15 seconds or so I'm unable to alt tab in order to change focus. I also can't click another window to change focus. I can type in the window that I was in. If I hit ctrl alt backspace to restart X (i |
| 06:37.43 | ShawnMcCool | believe that's what's happening) then it'll work just fine afterwards. Any ideas? |
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| 06:39.19 | rainfyre | ShawnMcCool: lmde is "rough around the edges" |
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| 06:39.41 | ShawnMcCool | it's strange because i had the same problem with linux mint 12 |
| 06:39.45 | rainfyre | ShawnMcCool: you could also ask in the linuxmint-debian room on spotchat |
| 06:39.48 | ShawnMcCool | i don't have that problem on my laptop |
| 06:39.55 | ShawnMcCool | ok, thanks for the direction. |
| 06:40.17 | rainfyre | ShawnMcCool: no worries, I run lmde on another box. mint is great. |
| 06:40.48 | ShawnMcCool | i haven't run a linux desktop in about 8 years, i spent about 2 hours with conky last night |
| 06:41.10 | Alazare619 | anyone have an idea how to open a 1.3gig text file .... |
| 06:41.16 | rainfyre | ShawnMcCool: nice, I just reinstalled squeeze today because of a virtualbox issue in lmde |
| 06:41.17 | Alazare619 | everything ive tried has frozen trying to open it |
| 06:42.38 | blubberdiblub | Alazare619, split it into smaller parts and open them instead? |
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| 06:45.38 | Alazare619 | any recommendation on software to split never had a need before |
| 06:45.47 | blubberdiblub | "split" |
| 06:45.57 | valdyn | I guess theres some editor that opens large files efficiently, but vim also just works, albeit slow |
| 06:46.05 | blubberdiblub | a command line tool. can split according to lines, too |
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| 06:47.56 | valdyn | Alazare619: what do you want to do with that file? |
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| 06:49.02 | gnarface | Alazare619: any recent version of emacs shouldn't have any problem opening it using default settings. your mileage may vary with other editors or older configs |
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| 06:52.42 | Alazare619 | i got it with vi |
| 06:52.48 | Alazare619 | just took awhile for vi to open it all |
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| 07:08.13 | gnarface | Alazare619: yea recent versions of emacs seem to give you access to the beginning parts of the file while it lazy opens the rest. vi probably won't even show you the first letter until it has loaded the last one into memory |
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| 07:34.38 | skilz | If I want /dev/sda1 to mount to /mnt/media on boot and unmount on shutdown/reboot, what line do I need to add to /etc/fstab ? |
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| 07:39.00 | gnarface | skilz: come on read the fstab manpage already. its not that hard |
| 07:39.35 | EvilCait | skilz: are you kidding? |
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| 07:40.57 | EvilCait | device mountpoint filesystem options 0 0 |
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| 07:41.28 | EvilCait | well probably 0 2 |
| 07:41.35 | EvilCait | if you want it to be checked, man fstab explains it all |
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| 07:41.57 | skilz | '/dev/sda1 /mnt/media auto rw,user,exec,utf8 ? |
| 07:42.01 | skilz | is that all I need? |
| 07:42.03 | EvilCait | err no |
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| 07:42.08 | EvilCait | what file system si it? |
| 07:42.19 | skilz | ext4 |
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| 07:42.49 | EvilCait | why not mount it with ext4 then? |
| 07:43.01 | quuxman | skilz: you can also put auto for the filesystem |
| 07:43.37 | quuxman | I don't know of a reason to not |
| 07:43.39 | EvilCait | utf8 isn't needed either, it's only for CD unicode characters |
| 07:43.56 | EvilCait | quuxman: only reason not to is if the file system gets damaged |
| 07:44.04 | skilz | '/dev/sda1 /mnt/media auto rw,user,exec,utf8 auto 0 0' ?? |
| 07:44.13 | skilz | Do I have the correct options? |
| 07:44.16 | overclucker | skilz: nope |
| 07:44.18 | EvilCait | I believe utf8 is a iso9660 option |
| 07:44.18 | skilz | to read and write? |
| 07:44.19 | skilz | :( |
| 07:44.29 | skilz | what line do I need then |
| 07:44.31 | EvilCait | I don't think utf8 applies to ext4 |
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| 07:45.08 | overclucker | skilz: try /dev/sda1 /mnt/media auto defaults 0 0 |
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| 07:45.19 | EvilCait | /dev/sda1 /mnt/media auto defaults 0 2 |
| 07:45.33 | EvilCait | though you might want to mount it by label or UUID |
| 07:45.50 | EvilCait | UUID=54391598-aa8c-4df2-871b-f658070691f6 /home/media ext4 noatime,noexec 0 2 |
| 07:45.54 | EvilCait | for example is how I mount my media drive |
| 07:48.00 | skilz | Is it okay to put it anywhere in the file? |
| 07:48.22 | EvilCait | quuxman: auto means mount will use blkid, volume_id... but again if the thing gets damaged it might be bad. |
| 07:48.27 | EvilCait | skilz: yes, it won't hurt your computer |
| 07:48.35 | EvilCait | skilz: oh yes, where in the file isn't important |
| 07:48.43 | EvilCait | the 5th column determines order during boot |
| 07:49.17 | skilz | Is it okay to put it anywhere in the file?proc /proc proc nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0 |
| 07:49.20 | skilz | /dev/sda1 /mnt/media auto defaults 0 2 |
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| 07:49.24 | skilz | oops |
| 07:49.32 | EvilCait | sure, try saving it and typing mount /mnt/media now |
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| 07:52.13 | skilz | proc /proc proc nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0 |
| 07:52.13 | skilz | /dev/sda1 /mnt/media auto defaults 0 2 |
| 07:52.20 | skilz | thats what I have, look good? |
| 07:52.33 | EvilCait | I think so, try it |
| 07:52.37 | EvilCait | mount /mnt/media |
| 07:52.41 | EvilCait | and type mount, or df -h |
| 07:52.43 | EvilCait | see if it shows up |
| 07:52.43 | skilz | yeah it worked |
| 07:52.47 | EvilCait | w00t :) |
| 07:53.45 | skilz | awesome, thanks man |
| 07:54.07 | EvilCait | skilz: seriously, read the man file for fstab, it's what I'd do. |
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| 07:54.38 | skilz | Yeah I was looking through it, just didn't quite understand it. |
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| 07:56.09 | rainfyre | skilz: man fstab is reading for insomniacs.. |
| 07:56.11 | EvilCait | skilz: asking about that might get better answers |
| 07:56.18 | EvilCait | rainfyre: hahaha |
| 07:56.24 | EvilCait | I gotta admit, I find it fascinating |
| 07:56.27 | EvilCait | but I'm a pretty dull person |
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| 07:59.05 | youlysses | Is there a specific debian-hurd channel? I couldn't find it if so ... |
| 07:59.05 | gnarface | guys i'm having a weird problem with mplayer that i'm not having on ffmpeg. "Movie-Aspect is 1.19:1 - prescaling to correct movie aspect" << i think this is the problem. can i tell it not to do that? |
| 07:59.23 | gnarface | guys i meant vlc instead of ffmpeg. i'm encoding with ffmpeg |
| 08:00.38 | rainfyre | EvilCait: same here and same here |
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| 08:17.57 | gnarface | ugh |
| 08:18.08 | gnarface | so mplayer seems to be sometimes incorrectly detecting aspect ratios |
| 08:18.15 | gnarface | ffmpeg and vlc are not on the same media |
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| 08:18.51 | gnarface | this doesn't appear to be an isolated occurance, as this bug seems to show up in google searches back to 2006 |
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| 08:19.08 | karash_l | ftp://ajax:ajaxajax@shellmix.com:60/ |
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| 08:19.16 | gnarface | using -aspect 4:3 on playback fixes it, however... can't i somehow just encode the file so mplayer is happy? |
| 08:19.52 | EvilCait | gnarface: depends on the codec you're using |
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| 08:20.50 | gnarface | EvilCait: the target codec you mean? mpeg4 video, ac3 audio in an avi container. |
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| 08:22.23 | EvilCait | hmm, well there DEFINITELY is an aspect encoded in there |
| 08:22.49 | EvilCait | lavcopts=vcodec=mpeg4:autoaspect=1 |
| 08:22.53 | gnarface | EvilCait: i had assumed however it had more to do with the source material (a commercial NTSC DVD in 4:3 aspect ratio) as videos ripped from my tv tuner don't do this |
| 08:23.09 | EvilCait | is that on? |
| 08:23.16 | gnarface | EvilCait: keep in mind also that ffmpeg and vlc get it right |
| 08:23.25 | EvilCait | yes, on playback |
| 08:23.34 | EvilCait | you might have autoaspect disabled |
| 08:23.43 | blubberdiblub | maybe they disregard the encoded aspect information |
| 08:24.04 | gnarface | maybe i need to encode it differently? |
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| 08:24.24 | gnarface | EvilCait: is what on? lavcopts=vcodec=mpeg4:autoaspect=1 you mean? |
| 08:24.33 | EvilCait | I'm wondering if the aspect encoding information mplayer stores is different than what ffmpeg/vlc expect |
| 08:24.35 | EvilCait | or so on |
| 08:24.40 | EvilCait | gnarface: you're using mencoder? |
| 08:24.44 | EvilCait | or is this just for palyback? |
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| 08:25.19 | gnarface | EvilCait: no i'm using ffmpeg for encoding, only using mplayer for playback |
| 08:25.41 | EvilCait | k, the aspect ratio lavcopts is an option for mencoder |
| 08:25.57 | gnarface | EvilCait: auto is *reported* as the default. when i set it to 4:3 manually it works right. |
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| 08:26.21 | gnarface | EvilCait: the display is also 4:3 |
| 08:26.24 | EvilCait | anything defined in your config file? |
| 08:26.25 | gnarface | EvilCait: this shouldn't be hard |
| 08:26.33 | gnarface | EvilCait: i didn't even know there was a config file, so no |
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| 08:27.04 | EvilCait | you might want to look :) |
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| 08:27.16 | gnarface | EvilCait: ~/.mplayer/conf ? |
| 08:27.20 | EvilCait | and /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf |
| 08:27.36 | EvilCait | # standard monitor size, with square pixels |
| 08:27.36 | EvilCait | #monitoraspect=4:3 |
| 08:27.36 | EvilCait | # Use this for a widescreen monitor, non-square pixels. |
| 08:27.36 | EvilCait | #monitoraspect=16:9 |
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| 08:27.39 | NourSs | Hello her, i have a little problem with Python and curse library.. see : http://pastebin.com/CjYCRKSS |
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| 08:27.45 | EvilCait | err ask sorry |
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| 08:28.41 | gnarface | EvilCait: they're commented out, as per default. i should also mention this problem is happening for me not just on multiple *versions* of mplayer but even on multiple *ports* of it across multiple *architectures* |
| 08:29.33 | EvilCait | gnarface: well maybe you should consider just setting it in .mplayer/config and being done with it? |
| 08:29.57 | EvilCait | ffmpeg does have an -aspect option though |
| 08:30.17 | gnarface | if i put that on the encoding line will it fix this? |
| 08:30.26 | EvilCait | what are you encoding? |
| 08:30.29 | EvilCait | gnarface: I can't say, but it should |
| 08:30.39 | EvilCait | gnarface: I encode with mencoder not ffmpeg so |
| 08:30.47 | gnarface | i figured the *file* would be correct, since ffmpeg detects the aspect ratio correctly and gives me a file that *other* players play in the right shape |
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| 08:30.55 | EvilCait | I'm not the person to ask, but I believe you should be defining it in your ffmpeg encoding line |
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| 08:31.06 | EvilCait | gnarface: it can't hurt to define it |
| 08:31.16 | EvilCait | it maybe mplayer is defaulting to a different assumption |
| 08:31.30 | gnarface | EvilCait: its a commercial NTSC dvd. i'll try |
| 08:31.33 | EvilCait | gnarface: if you can send me a small part of the file, I will look |
| 08:31.45 | EvilCait | gnarface: well I've encoded many NTSC dvd's and I haven't had this issue yet |
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| 08:32.05 | gnarface | EvilCait: were any of them 4:3? |
| 08:32.18 | gnarface | EvilCait: its 4:3 and actually i believe... interlaced. ugh |
| 08:33.09 | EvilCait | use, but like I said I believe mencoder encodes that information automatically, here's what I'm usually using as a command |
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| 08:33.30 | EvilCait | $ mencoder -dvd 1 -oac mp3lame -lameopts br=192:vbr=2 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=msmpeg4:vhq:keyint=250 -o output.avi -npp lb |
| 08:33.55 | quuxman | interesting. aptitude simply segfaults |
| 08:34.14 | EvilCait | fail :) |
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| 08:36.49 | gnarface | PAR 8:9 DAR 4:3 |
| 08:36.57 | gnarface | EvilCait: i think that's the problem: PAR 8:9 DAR 4:3 |
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| 08:37.59 | gnarface | EvilCait: ffmpeg command I used (minus the -aspect flag, which I am currently trying out) for BLAH in 1 2; do ffmpeg -i ../record_of_lodoss_war-disc_1.mpg -f avi -vcodec mpeg4 -pass $BLAH -s 320x240 -sameq -g 300 -bf 2 -acodec ac3 -sameq record_of_lodoss_war-disc_1-twopass.mpg -map 0:0 -map 0:2; done |
| 08:38.16 | gnarface | EvilCait: wait that's not it |
| 08:38.26 | gnarface | EvilCait: this one: for BLAH in 1 2; do ffmpeg -i record_of_lodoss_war-disk_2.vob -f avi -vcodec mpeg4 -pass $BLAH -s 320x240 -sameq -aspect 4:3 -g 300 -bf 2 -acodec ac3 -sameq record_of_lodoss_war-disk_2.avi -map 0:0 -map 0:2; done |
| 08:38.49 | EvilCait | awesome loop variable ;) |
| 08:39.32 | EvilCait | gnarface: care to explain PAR DAR? |
| 08:39.35 | gnarface | EvilCait: (hint, there's the name of the dvd too, however i think any 4:3 NTSC dvd with a PAR of 8:9 and a DAR of 4:3 will probably give you the same behavior. dunno if it would need to be interlaced too or not. i think you'd be hard pressed to find dvds like this unless you collect old anime) |
| 08:39.52 | EvilCait | ah I knew it :) |
| 08:40.13 | EvilCait | gnarface: what series? |
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| 08:40.39 | gnarface | EvilCait: i don't know if i understand them very well myself but i vaguely grasp the concept as a difference between Physcal Aspect Ratio and Display Aspect Ratio (square pixels on disk vs square pixels in your physical display) |
| 08:41.11 | EvilCait | gnarface: it does make sense |
| 08:41.22 | EvilCait | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_aspect_ratio |
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| 08:41.35 | EvilCait | your frame rate is going to be an issue too |
| 08:41.35 | gnarface | EvilCait: its standard of NTSC but usually you see the pictures rectangularly oriented horizontally so they're wider. in this style they're taller instead, and it seems like mplayer has been having problems autodetecting it right for years |
| 08:41.40 | EvilCait | especially with interlaced frames |
| 08:41.52 | gnarface | EvilCait: you think? ffmpeg seems to have compensated for that |
| 08:42.00 | EvilCait | gnarface: nice |
| 08:42.05 | EvilCait | I've h ad issues with interlaced old dvd encoding |
| 08:42.16 | EvilCait | some years ago, interlaced frames depending on what I set the fps too, would cause an issue |
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| 08:43.23 | EvilCait | http://www.transcoding.org/transcode?Calculating_Frame_Size_And_Aspect_Ratio |
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| 08:43.49 | gnarface | EvilCait: series name fyi you can guess from the file name in my command |
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| 08:44.36 | EvilCait | lodoss war? that is old |
| 08:44.49 | EvilCait | well not that old, 98 |
| 08:45.19 | gnarface | still awesome |
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| 08:46.15 | EvilCait | yeah i'm a big fan of ghost in the shell stand alone complex, darker than black, Texhnolyze, gasaraki |
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| 08:46.30 | EvilCait | claymore was pretty good too |
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| 08:47.04 | EvilCait | gunslinger girl ofcourse |
| 08:47.09 | gnarface | well i now know how to force the aspect to 4:3 from the port of mplayer on my cheesy little arm handheld, but since i spent the better part of 12 hours on an airplane watching shit in the wrong aspect ratio because i didn't know how, i decided to try to figure out if i encoded it wrong or if mplayer still has a 5-year-old autodetection bug in a video format that predates it by several decades |
| 08:47.48 | gnarface | and if so, for shame |
| 08:47.54 | NourSs | Nobody can help me with my problem ? http://pastebin.com/CjYCRKSS |
| 08:47.59 | EvilCait | gnarface: complain to the devs :) |
| 08:48.15 | gnarface | heh |
| 08:48.27 | EvilCait | gnarface: or threaten to release a security vuln without prior disclosure if they don't fix it |
| 08:48.33 | EvilCait | it's how I got freebsd to log failed ssh logisn by default |
| 08:48.38 | EvilCait | "I'll goto bugtraq!" |
| 08:48.41 | EvilCait | "oh okay, we'll fix it" |
| 08:48.52 | EvilCait | this was 2001, failed ssh logins didn't show up in logs at all |
| 08:48.57 | EvilCait | by default |
| 08:49.20 | EvilCait | ImportError: No module named _curses |
| 08:49.24 | EvilCait | seems pretty obvious :) |
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| 08:53.53 | EvilCait | NourSs: do you have ncurses installed? |
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| 08:54.34 | EvilCait | gnarface: so have you figured out the right argument to feed ffmpeg? |
| 08:55.18 | NourSs | EvilCait: I have python_minimal.. |
| 08:56.36 | EvilCait | well you should have a /usr/lib/python2.6/curses |
| 08:56.37 | EvilCait | directory |
| 08:56.54 | EvilCait | install the python2.6 package |
| 08:57.19 | NourSs | Yes i have |
| 08:57.36 | EvilCait | do you have said directory? |
| 08:57.39 | NourSs | Yes |
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| 08:59.02 | EvilCait | anything it? |
| 08:59.06 | gnarface | EvilCait: its -aspect just like mplayer, however whether it has any effect on this video is yet to be determined. i'm running it now |
| 08:59.19 | EvilCait | gnarface: well it's encoding it with that aspect... |
| 08:59.33 | EvilCait | the question is how that aspect ratio is encoded |
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| 08:59.44 | EvilCait | because the actual size of the pixels don't matter to the encoding, it's just storing bits and bytes |
| 09:00.01 | EvilCait | so there must be some metadata that's describing the source material |
| 09:00.09 | EvilCait | that either mplayer is ignoring, or worse reading it when it shouldn't be |
| 09:00.22 | EvilCait | where as vlc are either reading it, or ignoring it because it's wrong |
| 09:00.33 | NourSs | EvilCait: Look http://pastebin.com/GaMUfMwb |
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| 09:00.53 | gnarface | EvilCait: furthermore i'm passing it an argument that just sets something it claimed before to be autodetecting - what i'm assuming mplayer is doing wrong is actually the math |
| 09:01.02 | EvilCait | ditto here |
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| 09:01.36 | EvilCait | gnarface: perhaps, and perhaps assigning it to the meta data might straighten things out |
| 09:01.37 | EvilCait | let me know |
| 09:01.44 | gnarface | EvilCait: from what i understand, the difference in the physical and display aspect ratios should disappear when going to avi. avi files should just be 1:1 |
| 09:01.50 | EvilCait | File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/curses/init.py", line 15, in |
| 09:01.53 | youknowho | when I ssh to any debian box, it steals my scroll wheel to mean "scroll through bash history"..How do I make it not do that? |
| 09:01.54 | EvilCait | NourSs: that doesn't make much sense to me |
| 09:01.56 | gnarface | EvilCait: i'll keep you posted |
| 09:02.19 | youknowho | sorry, this is in a screen on debian |
| 09:02.34 | EvilCait | NourSs: why do you even have a /usr/local/lib/python2.6/curses ? |
| 09:02.47 | youknowho | it doesn't do this in a screen on freebsd, and I can't figure out what part of screenrc that's different |
| 09:02.58 | EvilCait | youknowho: it maybe a terminal thing too |
| 09:03.17 | gnarface | youknowho: i've never seen that happen. your terminal would have to be mouse-aware... |
| 09:03.20 | EvilCait | you're using console or an x term? |
| 09:03.49 | EvilCait | gnarface: some x consoles send mouse information through the terminal as meta characters |
| 09:03.50 | youknowho | I'm using gnome-shell to ssh to server, upon which is bash, which opens screen |
| 09:04.02 | NourSs | EvilCait: I don't know.. don't need.. maybe before i upgrade my Debian 5 to 6 i have installed python 2.6 with src.. not works, so i upgrade my debian |
| 09:04.09 | EvilCait | well i'm not using gnome-shell, but you migth want to check gnome-shell settings |
| 09:04.31 | EvilCait | NourSs: you might want to check out your /usr/local/lib/python directory |
| 09:04.34 | gnarface | youknowho: i've never used gnome-shell but it sounds like its mapping your scrollwheel to either your up+down arrow keys or ctrl-p/ctrl-n |
| 09:04.41 | EvilCait | I believe it can safely be empty |
| 09:04.50 | youknowho | But how can it be gnome-shell if it works fine when I ssh to freebsd servers? |
| 09:05.00 | EvilCait | youknowho: freebsd default terminal isn't "linux" |
| 09:05.08 | EvilCait | look at your environmental variable for the terminal |
| 09:05.14 | youknowho | ... |
| 09:05.15 | EvilCait | freebsd and linux use different terminals |
| 09:05.30 | youknowho | I use bash on my freebsd servers. I use bash on my debian boxes. |
| 09:05.47 | EvilCait | TERM="xterm" |
| 09:05.53 | EvilCait | that's your shell not your terminal |
| 09:06.07 | gnarface | youknowho: yea but do you use emacs line ctrl mappings by default on the freebsd servers like on the linux boxes? ctrl-p/ctrl-n aren't universal, just a de-facto standard |
| 09:06.10 | youknowho | ok,sorry, got my terminology mixed up |
| 09:06.23 | EvilCait | I shell into my freebsd box, I have a TERM="xterm" |
| 09:06.47 | EvilCait | TERM="xterm" on my linux box, okay bad exampl.e |
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| 09:07.19 | EvilCait | go into your gnome-shell and see what temrinal your using |
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| 09:08.08 | youknowho | it doesn't say. But when I connect to stuff it says TERM=xterm lik yours |
| 09:08.08 | NourSs | EvilCait: I found i have 2 versions of Python installed, one with source 2.6.5, the version who launch with command python, and one with aptitude python2.6 2.6.6 |
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| 09:08.40 | EvilCait | yeah, you have a compiled one from source in /usr/local |
| 09:08.46 | jasonsmr | hello debian channel |
| 09:08.47 | NourSs | Yes :/ |
| 09:08.50 | youknowho | except in screen on debian, it says TERM=screen |
| 09:08.52 | EvilCait | which is probably what's messed up, it's hunting for the curses lib under /usr/local/lib |
| 09:08.59 | EvilCait | youknowho: yeah because you're laughing screen |
| 09:09.03 | EvilCait | which is it's own terminal ... |
| 09:09.14 | NourSs | EvilCait: How i can delete this version from source and keep the aptitude bversion ? |
| 09:09.27 | EvilCait | NourSs: well hopefully you installed it into /usr/local/ |
| 09:09.30 | EvilCait | which it looks like you did |
| 09:09.45 | EvilCait | if you go into /usr/local |
| 09:09.47 | EvilCait | find . - name |
| 09:09.49 | EvilCait | err find . |
| 09:09.53 | EvilCait | you shouldn't see that much that isn't python |
| 09:09.59 | EvilCait | unless you've compiled alot of stuff locally |
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| 09:10.31 | EvilCait | $ find /usr/local -name "*python*" |
| 09:10.35 | EvilCait | crudely I'd look at that |
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| 09:10.58 | EvilCait | NourSs: think you could throw the results into pastebin? |
| 09:11.07 | NourSs | EvilCait: her : http://pastebin.com/ttC9eNeQ |
| 09:11.22 | Sevet | you could also try using cruft to find any files on your system that don't belong to a package |
| 09:11.28 | EvilCait | yeah i'd just nuke all that :) |
| 09:11.42 | EvilCait | Sevet: good idea, but I'm not sure if he's compiled other stuff independently or not |
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| 09:12.24 | EvilCait | NourSs: you can pretty much delete what's there.. it's all from the compiled version of python, -exec rm -rf {} \; |
| 09:12.26 | jasonsmr | I am in the process of installing debian on -my new machine |
| 09:12.58 | jasonsmr | is net install better than well downloading all dvd , for say example |
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| 09:13.22 | EvilCait | Jasonn: depends on how fast your local mirror is... I usually opt for net install because I'm impatient and lazy |
| 09:13.26 | EvilCait | and would rather start the install and walk away |
| 09:13.35 | kurkale6ka | Hi, how can I choose which bash-completion features to enable? |
| 09:13.40 | EvilCait | plus my local mirror is 100 meters from my desk at work :) |
| 09:13.44 | Sevet | net install is quicker to get started and can be faster install than waiting for the dvd because it only downloads the packages you need |
| 09:13.52 | Sevet | dvd saves time and bandwidth if you're doing multiple machines though |
| 09:14.05 | Sevet | (i always use netinstall) |
| 09:14.09 | NourSs | EvilCait: Launch : find /usr/local -name "*python*" -exec rm -rf {} \; ? |
| 09:14.17 | EvilCait | Sevet: likewise, my mirror is a 1gbps link down the hall :) |
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| 09:15.08 | gnarface | yea apt-cacher-ng saves more time and bandwidth than the dvd cause you get the speed boost for multiple machines but you 1) don't have to burn 100 dvds to do 100 machines in parallel and 2) still only have to download the required packages |
| 09:15.12 | EvilCait | NourSs: I'd risk it :) |
| 09:15.23 | EvilCait | gnarface: absolutely yeah |
| 09:15.37 | Sevet | "and would rather start the install and walk away" - you'll get the same prompts either way |
| 09:15.41 | EvilCait | gnarface: which is why alot of universities just run their own local mirrors |
| 09:16.00 | EvilCait | sevet: not necessarily :) |
| 09:16.22 | jasonsmr | EvilCait>, hey can you tell me with any reliable refrence that I can install all the packages ? |
| 09:17.05 | jasonsmr | Allright Ill say this I know I can install all packages, say from wheezy where Im installing from Japan. >> I want just the basics with that new d18:15 -!- nixmaniack [~muneeb@unaffiliated/n1xnc0d3] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] |
| 09:17.09 | jasonsmr | hello debian channel18:15 -!- nixmaniack [~muneeb@unaffiliated/n1xnc0d3] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] |
| 09:17.16 | EvilCait | jasonsmr: I apologize, i'm not sure waht you mean. |
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| 09:18.19 | jasonsmr | well Im installing wheezy I want basic KVM so its my only wish |
| 09:18.44 | EvilCait | jasonsmr: just select a basic install then |
| 09:18.53 | EvilCait | it should give you the option to not select other stuff |
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| 09:20.40 | EvilCait | Sevet: I think the point I was making could be more accurately statement if I put it this way. If I were on a broadband, or a remote connection without any sort of local mirror'ing. I'd rather download a smaller netinstall ISO than get the entire DVD... start the install, (go through the options) rather than wait on the DVD to download. Meaning I could step away or move onto other things. |
| 09:20.52 | EvilCait | sevet: am I making any sense? |
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| 09:21.49 | EvilCait | btw, thanks for pointing out that cruft package. |
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| 09:24.38 | jasonsmr | whats the link to net- |
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| 09:25.19 | NourSs | EvilCait: Can i said to debian to launch /usr/bin/python2.6 and not /usr/local/bon/python2.6 when i launch python command ? |
| 09:25.22 | EvilCait | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 09:25.24 | EvilCait | visit the mirror list |
| 09:25.48 | EvilCait | NourSs: what's your $PATH variable look like? |
| 09:26.07 | NourSs | /usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/games:/sbin:/root/bin |
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| 09:26.21 | EvilCait | yeah so it's calling python2.6 out of /usr/local/bin first |
| 09:26.28 | EvilCait | before it finds python2.6 in /usr/bin/ |
| 09:26.35 | NourSs | Ok.. |
| 09:26.40 | EvilCait | I suppose you could just run /usr/bin/python2.6 or change your path |
| 09:26.41 | NourSs | Dangerous to change it ? |
| 09:26.46 | EvilCait | to change your path? nah |
| 09:27.24 | EvilCait | you can always just call it directory with the full path name |
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| 09:27.46 | EvilCait | but pulling /usr/local/bin out o fyour path shouldn't cause you much pain... but why not just delete the old python version? |
| 09:28.10 | NourSs | rm -rf /usr/local/python2.6 ? |
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| 09:28.47 | EvilCait | or the find command I gave you earlier and just nuke your source installed python |
| 09:29.09 | NourSs | Don't understand your earlier command .. |
| 09:29.28 | NourSs | find /usr/local -name "*python*" -exec rm -rf {} \; |
| 09:29.29 | NourSs | This ? |
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| 09:32.24 | EvilCait | NourSs: sure what's the worst that could happen :) |
| 09:32.41 | EvilCait | NourSs: basically it'll find all the files in the last you pastebin'ed me and delete them |
| 09:33.51 | NourSs | EvilCait: It's works now |
| 09:34.06 | NourSs | EvilCait: Just thank you from France / Strasbourg ;-) |
| 09:34.09 | NourSs | Have a nice day |
| 09:34.20 | EvilCait | NourSs: no problem, it's Canada / Halifax here |
| 09:34.29 | EvilCait | NourSs: basically you got rid of the source compiled version |
| 09:34.33 | EvilCait | and are using the one that comes with debian |
| 09:34.38 | EvilCait | which has a wroking curses library :) |
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| 09:34.54 | NourSs | Yes i understand now |
| 09:35.09 | EvilCait | great, glad to know someone was able to get help on irc :) |
| 09:35.23 | gnarface | EvilCait: success. adding -aspect 4:3 to the ffmpeg command mysteriously fixes mplayer (despite all documentation and stdout logging that claims it should already be chosing that) |
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| 09:35.44 | EvilCait | gnarface: check if it still works right in vlc :) |
| 09:36.12 | EvilCait | I think mplayer is looking at the pixels and ignoring other relevant metadata, where as in putting the aspect into the metadata forces mplayer to use that aspect ratio |
| 09:36.17 | gnarface | EvilCait: yea still looks perfect in vlc too. circles are once again circular |
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| 09:36.22 | EvilCait | vlc msut be smarter |
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| 09:36.49 | EvilCait | gnarface: I think this has alot to do with the analog to digital conversion to ntsc dvd in the first place |
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| 09:37.08 | EvilCait | probably a vhs source originally or something |
| 09:37.15 | gnarface | EvilCait: i'm sure |
| 09:37.32 | EvilCait | gnarface: I am going to investigate this a bit more myself when I'm not so tired |
| 09:37.45 | EvilCait | the mechanism for aspect calculation must be different (obviously) between vlc and mplayer |
| 09:37.59 | gnarface | EvilCait: there's nothing to say the dvd itself doesn't have some sort of minor inaccuracy that ffmpeg and vlc are smart enough to get around on their own either. |
| 09:37.59 | EvilCait | so if the metadata isn't there, one is getting the correct solution while the other is not |
| 09:38.11 | EvilCait | gnarface: well NTSC should be NTSC |
| 09:38.25 | EvilCait | but you're right the vob information might be whacky |
| 09:39.02 | EvilCait | I've never run into a dvd like that |
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| 09:40.10 | gnarface | EvilCait: it *should* be normal but for example in an unrelated note ffmpeg when transcoding it complains that the audio format "flt" is a non-valid format, falling back on "s16" or something like that (maybe vis-versa) which it seems to do flawlessly, but the weird complaint nonetheless suggests that the media may not be 100% standard-compliant |
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| 09:43.13 | wwwd | Hey all! I'm trying to down load the debian iso file and not sure I am understanding jigdo. I am looking at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/ia64/jigdo-cd. I entered jigdo-lite at command prompt. It asks for the url, to which I entered: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/ia64. Then it askes Number of images to download. Do I have to enter 1,2,3...49? |
| 09:43.41 | EvilCait | gnarface: probably, sounds like some bootlegged anime DVD :) |
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| 09:44.00 | jelly-home | wwwd: btw... which itanium machine do you have? |
| 09:44.10 | gnarface | EvilCait: 100% legit |
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| 09:44.21 | gnarface | EvilCait: bought it from suncoast video in the mall (when they still existed) |
| 09:44.26 | EvilCait | jelly-home: he probably doesn't and has a amd64, but it's intel soo ... |
| 09:44.42 | EvilCait | jelly-home: I can see people getting confused on taht one alot, "I have a 64bit intel!" |
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| 09:45.19 | gnarface | EvilCait: it wouldn't be the first commercial dvd i discovered to be weird though. my season-1 of The Tick (cartoon version) does some weird shit too |
| 09:45.26 | EvilCait | laughs |
| 09:45.26 | wwwd | jelly-home: Hp Pavilion. Why? |
| 09:45.30 | EvilCait | spoon!!!! |
| 09:45.37 | EvilCait | wwwd: you should be picking amd64 :) |
| 09:46.25 | gnarface | EvilCait: you're gonna love THIS part - that new rip of the file that behaves perfectly? its the same exact size as the one mplayer doesn't like - DOWN TO THE LAST BYTE |
| 09:46.31 | jelly-home | wwwd: pavilion sounds like a laptop. ia64 doesn't work on that, you want amd64 architecture |
| 09:46.43 | wwwd | Ok! So now the question is ...52? But thanks. |
| 09:47.23 | jelly-home | wwwd: do you have an older image? why use jigdo at all? |
| 09:47.40 | gnarface | EvilCait: but diff verifies they are in fact different, and probably somewhere close to the beginning of the file too because it returns really fast for a 1.2GB binary comparison |
| 09:47.51 | gnarface | is tempted to hex edit |
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| 09:48.11 | wwwd | Ok. No. Mayby I missed something. I thought that was what they wanted people using. |
| 09:48.17 | gnarface | would laugh if this is something that could be fixed with a 1-character hex edit instead of re-compressing the whole file |
| 09:48.40 | EvilCait | gnarface: it's just metadata differences |
| 09:48.42 | jelly-home | wwwd: nah, just download the first dvd, cd, or the netinst image |
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| 09:48.59 | quuxman | why would aptitude segfault, and how should I debug this? |
| 09:49.04 | jelly-home | wwwd: if you have a wired internet connection that ought to be enough |
| 09:49.05 | EvilCait | gnarface: and yes, it's likely a metadata first 50 byte field thing |
| 09:49.13 | EvilCait | quuxman: stack trace it |
| 09:49.53 | wwwd | Ok. I was tempted to in the first place. But I was trying to be compliant. Guess it's not in my skill set!) |
| 09:49.58 | EvilCait | gnarface: diff the first 100 bytes and see |
| 09:50.09 | wwwd | Thanks. And i'm sure I will be back. |
| 09:50.14 | EvilCait | dd the firrst 100 bytes to two different files, diff everything after that |
| 09:50.25 | quuxman | EvilCait: strace? That's the first thing I tried. The last thing it does before segaulting is attempt to open /usr/share/locale-langpack/en/LC_MESSAGES/aptitude.mo, which doesn't exist |
| 09:50.42 | gnarface | EvilCait: diff can output the difference in binary files? |
| 09:50.57 | jelly-home | quuxman: no, let it segfault and dump core, then examine the stack trace |
| 09:51.07 | EvilCait | gnarface: nope |
| 09:51.47 | EvilCait | but it'll tell you if it's in the first 100 bytes or after if you split the files up with dd |
| 09:51.58 | EvilCait | gnarface: I bet you it's a parameter like "use this aspect" |
| 09:52.11 | EvilCait | which vlc might be going "screw you, that's wrong" |
| 09:52.20 | jelly-home | quuxman: you may have to raise the core dump size rlimit in your root shell, first, to even get a core file. "ulimit -c unlimited" |
| 09:52.22 | EvilCait | and mplayer might be going "okay sure thing" |
| 09:52.33 | gnarface | possibly |
| 09:52.41 | EvilCait | gnarface: run mplayer with debug on |
| 09:52.47 | wwwd | I guess before I get to far a field. I have been using Ubuntu and their |
| 09:52.48 | wwwd | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:52.48 | EvilCait | on the two files, see what it's thinking |
| 09:52.57 | EvilCait | untenable? |
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| 09:53.17 | EvilCait | wwwd: I'm using debian 64bit as my desktop OS and my server OS, no major issues for me |
| 09:53.24 | EvilCait | but I've been told I'm wierd |
| 09:54.03 | wwwd | They are suggesting people use the the 32bin. Don't know why. Maybe the 64 bit is only 63.5? |
| 09:54.16 | EvilCait | chuckles |
| 09:54.18 | EvilCait | yeah that's it |
| 09:54.28 | EvilCait | people probably suggested using 32bit because of the adobe flash plugin |
| 09:54.28 | wwwd | Anyway, thanks again! |
| 09:54.30 | gnarface | the *only* problems i've had with amd64 on debian since switching to it 5 years ago are that my custom builds of wine have enduring dependency bullshit |
| 09:54.36 | EvilCait | for a while wasn't working with 64bit unless you used nsplugwrapper |
| 09:55.04 | gnarface | everything else is pretty much big fun |
| 09:55.10 | EvilCait | $ file libflashplayer.so |
| 09:55.10 | EvilCait | libflashplayer.so: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped |
| 09:55.13 | EvilCait | but there is a 64bit one now |
| 09:55.45 | EvilCait | I've had to use ia32-java-bin to launch romraider as well |
| 09:55.46 | wwwd | I put windows in a virtualbox the other day and it worked great. May be better than wine? |
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| 09:56.00 | trist4n | i find that to be the case. |
| 09:56.16 | EvilCait | virtualbox is fine if you have the memory, and you should, ram is cheap |
| 09:56.22 | gnarface | wwwd: depends alot on the program. for what wine supports well at any given moment, it will probably be a ton faster than running in a virtualbox |
| 09:56.35 | EvilCait | crossoffice FTW :) |
| 09:56.38 | trist4n | less dicking around is the selling point. |
| 09:56.59 | gnarface | "dicking around" describes pretty much 100% of my time spent with wine |
| 09:57.14 | EvilCait | gnarface: it's a good point, virtualbox apps "just work" |
| 09:57.19 | EvilCait | but you're basically running windows at that point |
| 09:57.23 | EvilCait | I mean you literally are |
| 09:57.29 | gnarface | but then i'm fortunate in that i only have to use it for entertainment, not work. my job doesn't require me to support windows programs |
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| 09:57.35 | trist4n | i use compiz with rotatey desktop cubes |
| 09:57.40 | wwwd | Ya. I don't realy us widows much. Some web sites require silverlight or Flash. Otherwise I don't realy need it much. |
| 09:57.41 | trist4n | and just stick windows on the far far far fight |
| 09:57.41 | jelly-home | EvilCait: while there is a 64bit flash now, I find 32bit still to be more stable |
| 09:57.43 | trist4n | fight/right. |
| 09:57.47 | EvilCait | gnarface: I write professionally, having word running through crossoffice is a life saver |
| 09:57.50 | quuxman | the offending function seems to be "pkgInitSystem(Configuration&, pkgSystem*&) () from /usr/lib/libapt-pkg.so.4.10", but that doesn't help me much |
| 09:58.01 | EvilCait | jelly-home: I've had reasonably good luck with the latest 64bit flash for my use |
| 09:58.11 | gnarface | EvilCait: libreoffice just doesn't cut it yet? |
| 09:58.24 | EvilCait | jelly-home: you're probably right, but I 've yet to see a major issue with flash on 64bit.. hopefully everyone goes to html5 soon anyways :) |
| 09:58.29 | EvilCait | gnarface: honestly, no. |
| 09:58.41 | trist4n | flash seems to crash on a default windows 7 ent install with default chrome. |
| 09:58.46 | wwwd | Ah. I'm barly literate...No a problem! |
| 09:59.12 | EvilCait | gnarface: it'd gotten better, don't get me wrong... but some documents just don't translate between office 2007 and back very well |
| 09:59.34 | trist4n | advanecd formatting tends to explode. |
| 09:59.41 | gnarface | yea that's a shame |
| 09:59.49 | EvilCait | gnarface: I agree |
| 09:59.56 | EvilCait | I mean I can write on anything, but publishers... well |
| 10:00.01 | EvilCait | it's best not to make their life more difficult :) |
| 10:00.22 | EvilCait | "can I send you guys latex?" |
| 10:00.31 | EvilCait | "sure... I'll take a catsuit and a corset" |
| 10:00.33 | EvilCait | errr... no! |
| 10:00.36 | EvilCait | bad publisher |
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| 10:01.47 | gnarface | haha |
| 10:02.06 | gnarface | note to self: start open standards friendly publishing company |
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| 10:02.36 | gnarface | EvilCait: you don't happen to work with scanners in linux much do you? |
| 10:02.40 | EvilCait | o'reilly is good for that |
| 10:02.48 | EvilCait | gnarface: nope, I have a ricoh |
| 10:02.52 | EvilCait | scan it in, it emails me a pdf |
| 10:02.57 | gnarface | hah |
| 10:02.58 | gnarface | nice |
| 10:03.01 | EvilCait | yeah they are nice |
| 10:03.22 | gnarface | i don't suppose those come in a <99$ model do they? |
| 10:03.23 | EvilCait | you can ftp it a postscript or pdf file too and it will print it |
| 10:03.27 | EvilCait | nope :) |
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| 10:03.51 | gnarface | i just need something cheap i can use to scan my signature twice a year |
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| 10:04.10 | gnarface | the important features are: usb, less than 99$, works in linux |
| 10:04.16 | EvilCait | good ones are like 1k |
| 10:04.36 | EvilCait | gnarface: i'd just take a cell phone camera picture o fit :) |
| 10:04.43 | gnarface | hah |
| 10:04.45 | gnarface | well |
| 10:04.45 | EvilCait | if I were in your shoes, blackberries are actually pretty good at macro |
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| 10:05.25 | gnarface | well i've been going the camera route (or at times just driving to the 24-hour kinkos) but at a certain point its a matter of pride to be able to disguise the fact that i never printed their stupid document |
| 10:06.15 | EvilCait | sign it using gimp and a curses font :) |
| 10:06.23 | EvilCait | they might just think you have very pretty handwriting |
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| 10:06.42 | Jixxar | how to set up a cronjob which runs every day at 23:59 o'clock? |
| 10:06.58 | gnarface | Jixxar: read the cron man page |
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| 10:07.09 | gnarface | wishes he had a private payment gateway set up to take fees for questions like that |
| 10:07.09 | Jixxar | gnarface: already done |
| 10:07.16 | gnarface | Jixxar: so what's the problem? what didn't work? |
| 10:07.19 | EvilCait | # m h dom mon dow command |
| 10:07.22 | tvm | jixxar: 59 23 * * * |
| 10:07.38 | jelly-home | gnarface: it's called "paypal" |
| 10:07.43 | tvm | quite simple, isn't it ? |
| 10:07.49 | EvilCait | so yeah 59 23 * * * df if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda |
| 10:07.50 | EvilCait | will work |
| 10:08.00 | gnarface | jelly-home: i'd rather work with someone FDIC insured |
| 10:08.15 | Jixxar | do i need to put my shell script in /etc/cron.daily? |
| 10:08.25 | gnarface | jelly-home: aka an actual bank not just a bunch of net pirates who think they're a bank and are fooling other people into thinking it too |
| 10:08.31 | EvilCait | Jixxar: yhou can, or you can install it into root's crontab yourself |
| 10:08.42 | Jixxar | okay thank you |
| 10:08.46 | jelly-home | EvilCait: good thing that example command doesn't do anything harmful! |
| 10:08.52 | EvilCait | jelly-home: exactly |
| 10:08.56 | gnarface | snorts saki out his nose |
| 10:09.07 | jelly-home | h.h. munro saki? |
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| 10:09.45 | gnarface | jelly-home: meant sake. sorry i can't drunk when i spell |
| 10:10.04 | jelly-home | you know you should irc in that condition |
| 10:10.12 | jelly-home | should NOT dammit |
| 10:10.16 | gnarface | haha |
| 10:10.20 | gnarface | cheers |
| 10:10.22 | EvilCait | yeah seriously, the police might show up at your door |
| 10:10.25 | hell | hey. does somebody uses virtualbox-ose with virtualbox-ose-guest-x11 together? |
| 10:10.38 | EvilCait | you know you don't have to use virtualbox-ose |
| 10:10.41 | Jixxar | 59 23 * * * /var/www/dev/main/goo_export.sh |
| 10:10.46 | Jixxar | it doesnt work for me |
| 10:10.47 | jelly-home | skål |
| 10:10.51 | EvilCait | # debian virtualbox |
| 10:10.52 | EvilCait | deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian squeeze non-free |
| 10:10.59 | EvilCait | virtualbox does release deb files |
| 10:11.14 | tvm | jixxar: really ? how did you check ? |
| 10:11.19 | gnarface | Jixxar: just uh... out of curiosity... you DID check that your server's time is accurate, and in your current timezone, right? |
| 10:11.25 | hell | EvilCait: does it help with vbox into vbox? |
| 10:11.37 | EvilCait | hell: the ose version is pretty dated |
| 10:11.41 | EvilCait | save yourself some hassle :) |
| 10:11.46 | Jixxar | i set the computer time to 23:58 and waited 1 minute |
| 10:11.53 | EvilCait | go read your logs |
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| 10:12.21 | EvilCait | grep cron /var/log/syslog |
| 10:12.26 | tvm | jixxar: what's in cron's log ? |
| 10:12.30 | EvilCait | see if it ran |
| 10:12.55 | EvilCait | also is /var/www/dev/main/goo_export.sh executable? |
| 10:13.03 | jelly-home | Jixxar: set it to 23:57 next time. Cron takes a minute to reread config files, and activates the new rules the following minutes |
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| 10:13.54 | jelly-home | Jixxar: or better, stop messing with the time, and change the cronjob entry to run 2-3 minutes from now |
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| 10:14.02 | gnarface | just uses crontab -e |
| 10:14.07 | EvilCait | gnarface: yeah seriously |
| 10:14.39 | EvilCait | why would you not |
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| 10:15.41 | hell | EvilCait: it provide vbox 3.2. I run 4.1 on my rhel, does it little bit outdated?) |
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| 10:16.22 | EvilCait | hell: the resource I gave you should have tha ltest |
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| 10:17.04 | EvilCait | [DIR] virtualbox-3.2/ 22-Dec-2011 09:09 1K |
| 10:17.27 | EvilCait | hell: seems you are right, I'll look into that |
| 10:17.50 | EvilCait | https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads |
| 10:17.56 | EvilCait | well you can get the 4.1 deb file from there |
| 10:18.17 | EvilCait | (Up to version 3.2 the packages were located in the non-free section, starting with version 4.0 are located in the contrib section) |
| 10:18.25 | gnarface | is bluetooth still broken in sid? anyone know? |
| 10:18.46 | EvilCait | my bad |
| 10:18.52 | EvilCait | change the line I gave you to read contribu not non-free |
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| 10:20.27 | EvilCait | http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/pool/contrib/v/virtualbox-4.1/ |
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| 10:20.32 | EvilCait | yeah it should work for 4.1 as well |
| 10:20.42 | EvilCait | hell: I gotta update that on my own box now, thanks! |
| 10:22.34 | gnarface | EvilCait: i've got another ffmpeg WTF for you, maybe you know this one too: if i have a dvd with multiple camera angles on the same titleset (aka video track) how do i pick one manually with ffmpeg. when i try to rip my fancy anime (more recent things from studio ghibli, for example) it seems to give me an mpeg where both video tracks are encoded in parallel, and the players flicker back and forth between both angles annoyingl |
| 10:22.34 | gnarface | y and sortof sporadically (at different flickering rates depending on the player) |
| 10:23.02 | EvilCait | gnarface: hmmm |
| 10:23.34 | gnarface | EvilCait: this ONLY happens with dvds that have more than one camera angle on the same video track. despite this being one of the primary selling points of the DVD format early on, i find that its almost never used |
| 10:23.56 | EvilCait | because it's dumb :) |
| 10:24.06 | EvilCait | just like msot of the bluray features |
| 10:24.18 | EvilCait | oh look, I can watch iron man 2 online with my friends and share feedback |
| 10:24.19 | EvilCait | err yeah |
| 10:24.21 | gnarface | EvilCait: all my googling just finds other people asking the question of how to do this. players all seem to pick the track right, but i need to be able to pick a specific track from the vob, otherwise it gets treated like a mpeg file apparently |
| 10:24.39 | EvilCait | gnarface: you might want to try extracting it from the vob |
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| 10:25.06 | gnarface | EvilCait: i just don't know how with ffmpeg, and when i try to save/convert from vlc it dies after 356MB or so |
| 10:25.38 | gnarface | EvilCait: (i'm sure that's just vlc having a dumb, buggy interface and asking for the "starting chapter" but not the "ending chapter" or something |
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| 10:26.26 | EvilCait | there are some vob extraction tools for unix |
| 10:26.30 | EvilCait | that wil drop the vob into individual mpeg files |
| 10:26.48 | gnarface | i've been using dvdbackup. it detects that there are multiple camera angles in the vob, but it doesn't give me any options to pick one specifically |
| 10:27.10 | gnarface | then i go to ffmpeg with the vob directly. |
| 10:27.18 | EvilCait | gnarface: mencoder will follow a single camera angle FYI |
| 10:27.24 | gnarface | ugh |
| 10:27.32 | gnarface | but mencoder isn't IN debian |
| 10:27.37 | EvilCait | yes it is :) |
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| 10:27.56 | samruger | im having trouble getting flash to work in iceweasel |
| 10:28.01 | gnarface | hmm. oh, it is |
| 10:28.05 | gnarface | but i like ffmpeg |
| 10:28.22 | EvilCait | okay well there has to be a way to make ffmpeg follow just a single camera angle |
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| 10:28.31 | gnarface | well that was my assumption |
| 10:28.41 | gnarface | but ffmpeg's documentation is well... not their primary priority |
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| 10:30.27 | EvilCait | it's a priority? |
| 10:30.46 | gnarface | heh |
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| 10:32.50 | gnarface | all day long rainfyre |
| 10:32.52 | gnarface | every day |
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| 10:34.47 | HSorgYves | after an safe-upgrade apache is no longer accepting connections from "outside", connecting using telnet from localhost works fine |
| 10:34.55 | HSorgYves | anyone a clue? |
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| 10:35.15 | rainfyre | gnarface: good to know.. |
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| 10:43.18 | SpiderFred | hi what I have to do to be able to send emails to remote servers? I edited exif4.conf and still nothing is there more to do? |
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| 10:44.46 | SpiderFred | I meant exim ofc |
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| 10:46.24 | petemc | SpiderFred: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 10:54.29 | jasonsmr | Okey , Question should a debian install work work givendd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb ? |
| 10:54.47 | jasonsmr | note: this is on a seperate given har |
| 10:55.48 | jasonsmr | hardware |
| 10:56.04 | jelly-home | jasonsmr: if that sdb becomes a sda in the machine it's supposed to run in, yes |
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| 10:56.26 | jelly-home | (and of course, if sdb is at least the size of sda) |
| 10:57.21 | DelTree | the partition table might well be invalid... |
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| 10:57.27 | wfq | hi guys |
| 10:57.38 | jasonsmr | oh allright |
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| 11:01.39 | Night_Elf | HSorgYves: There might be a clause in the config files that tells apache to listen to 127.0.0.1 only. Check /etc/apache2/ports.conf for example. |
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| 11:03.51 | HSorgYves | Night_Elf: no ports.conf says 80 and 443 |
| 11:04.37 | Night_Elf | HSorgYves: Any iptables rule that prevents port 80 access if not from localhost ? |
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| 11:04.47 | EvilCait | HSorgYves: a netstat or lsof -i will tell you where apache is bound |
| 11:06.20 | HSorgYves | Night_Elf: didn't touch iptables, how to check the rules? |
| 11:06.34 | Night_Elf | HSorgYves: iptables -L |
| 11:06.38 | HSorgYves | EvilCait: *:www and *:https |
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| 11:08.34 | HSorgYves | Night_Elf: never configured iptables, how to know? |
| 11:09.03 | EvilCait | HSorgYves: then you should be able to connect remotely |
| 11:09.20 | EvilCait | iptables --list -vn should tell you if you have anything there |
| 11:09.32 | EvilCait | you likely don't |
| 11:09.47 | EvilCait | so you likely do have apache running and accepting connections remotely |
| 11:10.00 | EvilCait | what's the ip? |
| 11:10.02 | Night_Elf | HSorgYves: iptables -L will give you a list of the rules. They usually should show (policy ACCEPT) and there is nothing in any of the three sections. |
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| 11:10.32 | HSorgYves | Night_Elf: PAROLE tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:www |
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| 11:10.54 | HSorgYves | EvilCait: 89.31.1.146 |
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| 11:11.16 | Night_Elf | HSorgYves: ok. You do have something there. What is the PAROLE chain ? |
| 11:11.20 | sephii | my /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf file has been renamed to blacklist.conf.dpkg-back during the last d-u, any idea why? |
| 11:12.06 | Talon_ | HSorgYves: any chance you're behind a router, and after the safe-upgrade, your typical IP address is different from what it used to be and maybe your routers port forwardings aren't pointing to the correct IP of your adapter connected? |
| 11:12.17 | EvilCait | Parole? |
| 11:12.30 | HSorgYves | Night_Elf: PAROLE chain? |
| 11:12.36 | EvilCait | HSorgYves: sure you don't have some firewall magic going on? |
| 11:12.53 | Night_Elf | EvilCait: At the line shown, the first word (PAROLE) is the target chain, no ? |
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| 11:13.15 | EvilCait | Night_Elf: yup! |
| 11:13.22 | HSorgYves | EvilCait: no clue... :-( |
| 11:13.35 | HSorgYves | Night_Elf: let me paste the whole output |
| 11:13.36 | EvilCait | for example I have this: |
| 11:13.36 | EvilCait | 1445K 125M firewalllog all -- * * 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 |
| 11:13.47 | EvilCait | Chain firewalllog (2 references) |
| 11:13.49 | EvilCait | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:13.52 | EvilCait | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:13.55 | EvilCait | 1445K 125M DROP all -- * * 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 |
| 11:14.28 | HSorgYves | EvilCait / Night_Elf : http://pastebin.com/0B46XU4C |
| 11:14.28 | Night_Elf | HSorgYves: there IS something in your iptables. Port 80 is intercepted by that PAROLE chain. Which means there could be instructions in there that allow only from localhost. You need to check that. |
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| 11:14.35 | EvilCait | bastille installed? |
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| 11:15.18 | EvilCait | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:15.25 | EvilCait | okay so it jumps to PUB_IN, this is bastille |
| 11:15.33 | EvilCait | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:15.38 | Night_Elf | HSorgYves: yeap, there you have an entire iptables firewall there setup. |
| 11:16.20 | EvilCait | yeah big time :) |
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| 11:16.39 | HSorgYves | Night_Elf: ok, is it blocking? i guess safe-upgrade should not have modified that |
| 11:17.05 | EvilCait | iptables -A PAROLE -j ACCEPT |
| 11:17.05 | Night_Elf | EvilCait: Check line nr.4 in that paste. Does it look normal to you ? |
| 11:17.08 | EvilCait | there lets make PAROLE happy :) |
| 11:17.32 | EvilCait | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.36 | EvilCait | is totally normal and sane |
| 11:17.36 | Night_Elf | yea :) |
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| 11:17.42 | blubberdiblub | it does not even reach PAROLE, let alone PUB_IN, according to the values |
| 11:17.47 | Night_Elf | being the very first line ? |
| 11:17.50 | EvilCait | you shouldn't see 127.0.0.0/8 traffic other than on the loopback device :) |
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| 11:17.53 | Night_Elf | In input ? |
| 11:18.19 | EvilCait | blubberdiblub: I think you're wrong, it should get to PUB_IN |
| 11:18.23 | EvilCait | where are you seeing it dropped before that? |
| 11:18.45 | blubberdiblub | EvilCait, if it would enter PUB_IN, there would be numbers before the rules in the INPUT chain |
| 11:18.55 | EvilCait | blubberdiblub: maybe he rebooted recently? |
| 11:18.58 | blubberdiblub | numbers besides 0, that is |
| 11:19.02 | EvilCait | blubberdiblub: yeah I agree |
| 11:19.13 | EvilCait | but there's no rule that says eth* shouldn't be going there |
| 11:19.16 | blubberdiblub | EvilCait, there are numbers > 0 above the rules and also below the rules |
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| 11:19.33 | HSorgYves | the server is up for 12 days |
| 11:19.35 | EvilCait | blubberdiblub: yup, I see that |
| 11:19.43 | blubberdiblub | nobody said his interface is named eth* ;) |
| 11:19.47 | EvilCait | HSorgYves: okay maybe it's all going to |
| 11:19.49 | EvilCait | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:19.52 | EvilCait | blubberdiblub: true point! |
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| 11:20.03 | EvilCait | HSorgYves: can you type /sbin/ifconfig for us? |
| 11:20.08 | EvilCait | blubberdiblub: it REALLY should be :) |
| 11:20.22 | blubberdiblub | yeah, it _should_ |
| 11:20.28 | EvilCait | blubberdiblub: it's not freebsd ;) |
| 11:20.35 | EvilCait | we don't have 50 differenet network device names |
| 11:20.53 | blubberdiblub | well, you can name it anything you like, if you configure it differently |
| 11:21.04 | EvilCait | blubberdiblub: true, but the question is why would you? |
| 11:21.10 | Night_Elf | ifconfig universe0 up |
| 11:21.12 | EvilCait | or would he have in this case, if he doesn't know how iptables works |
| 11:21.14 | Night_Elf | :D |
| 11:21.26 | EvilCait | ifconfig differenttobecool0 up |
| 11:21.34 | blubberdiblub | well, the important question is if it's "eth*" or not |
| 11:21.36 | EvilCait | ifconfig breakmyscripts0 up |
| 11:21.51 | EvilCait | blubberdiblub: it would appear from the counters it's not |
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| 11:23.06 | HSorgYves | http://pastebin.com/8Cu7xC1s |
| 11:23.19 | blubberdiblub | aha, bonding |
| 11:23.30 | Night_Elf | EvilCait: blubberdiblub: I would think all gets caught from line 12. I mean, in INPUT there's nothing that would direct port 80 to PAROLE, which allows. |
| 11:23.53 | EvilCait | ahh bond0 |
| 11:23.56 | blubberdiblub | so there needs to be a rule for -i bond+, too |
| 11:24.02 | EvilCait | Night_Elf: nope, blubber is right |
| 11:24.06 | EvilCait | blubberdiblub: exactly! |
| 11:24.18 | EvilCait | blubberdiblub: looks like you were right |
| 11:24.32 | EvilCait | blubberdiblub: good thing I asked for a ifconfig pastebin :) |
| 11:24.37 | blubberdiblub | well, i just read the indicators |
| 11:24.41 | blubberdiblub | yeah, very good |
| 11:24.58 | HSorgYves | so? any clue what's wrong? it worked before... |
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| 11:25.02 | EvilCait | I figured someone would know if their network interface wasn't eth* |
| 11:25.12 | EvilCait | HSorgYves: I really really hate whe people say "it worked before" |
| 11:25.26 | EvilCait | it's a cope out, it worked before bastile hardening got installed |
| 11:25.40 | EvilCait | you need to add bond+ to the list of interfaces |
| 11:25.45 | blubberdiblub | HSorgYves, whatever puts up those PUB_IN chains must be configured to use the interface "bond+", too |
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| 11:26.38 | HSorgYves | bastile hardening? bond+? |
| 11:26.49 | EvilCait | HSorgYves: yes, who's adminning this box? |
| 11:27.18 | blubberdiblub | HSorgYves, your main interface you're dealing with is named "bond0", so you or the program in question must tell iptables to let traffic from that interface through |
| 11:27.42 | EvilCait | he's got it setup as a bridged firewall, ie bond |
| 11:28.04 | blubberdiblub | nope, a bridged firewall would be br0 |
| 11:28.10 | blubberdiblub | bonding is port trunking |
| 11:28.10 | EvilCait | blubberdiblub: oh yes, true |
| 11:28.17 | Night_Elf | HSorgYves: basically, after line nr.11 there should also be something like: 0 0 PUB_IN all -- bond+ * 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 |
| 11:28.19 | EvilCait | or ether-channel as cisco would call it |
| 11:28.37 | EvilCait | which I do between switches sometimes |
| 11:28.48 | EvilCait | ie run one fiber across the south of the campus, an the other across the north |
| 11:29.04 | EvilCait | Night_Elf: problem is he probably doesn't know where the configuration files are |
| 11:29.21 | blubberdiblub | Night_Elf, HSorgYves, but whatever puts those lines there needs to be configured to put "bond+" there also, otherwise it will break at the next reboot |
| 11:29.24 | EvilCait | blubberdiblub: so why does he have a 4 copper etherchannel'ed box? |
| 11:29.45 | EvilCait | HSorgYves: who set this up? |
| 11:29.47 | blubberdiblub | EvilCait, well, i don't know, and i really don't want to know ;) |
| 11:30.04 | EvilCait | blubberdiblub: 4 copper etherchannel seems a bit much :) |
| 11:30.21 | jelly-home | EvilCait: he likes bonding. |
| 11:30.21 | EvilCait | buy a 10gbps nic at that point :) |
| 11:30.29 | HSorgYves | EvilCait: someone who left the company |
| 11:30.42 | Night_Elf | EvilCait: blubberdiblub: As a last resort, would an "iptables -I PUB_IN ..." line at /etc/rc.local do the trick ? |
| 11:30.46 | EvilCait | HSorgYves: ah so you're inherienting his setup and you haven't a clue about this? |
| 11:30.49 | jelly-home | EvilCait: 10G equipment is still rather expensive |
| 11:30.53 | blubberdiblub | EvilCait, i only see 2 channels max. tho. the other stuff with : there is additional IPs for the same interface |
| 11:31.02 | EvilCait | jelly-home: true, but if you're in a situation that demands more than 1gps |
| 11:31.05 | HSorgYves | EvilCait: not (yet) about iptables |
| 11:31.18 | EvilCait | blubberdiblub: I've done 2 coppers to a vmware esxi server before |
| 11:31.22 | EvilCait | but that was for redundancy |
| 11:31.23 | blubberdiblub | Night_Elf, it probably would, but isn't the right thing to do. it could break any time |
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| 11:31.30 | jelly-home | EvilCait: it's cheaper to go with 2-4 channels and existing 1Gb switches. |
| 11:31.43 | EvilCait | hacking /etc/rc.local rather tahn fixing the bastille configuration files isn't the way to go |
| 11:32.06 | EvilCait | jelly-home: I suspect you're right, which is probably what happened in this case |
| 11:32.13 | Night_Elf | But at least can get the thing working until the proper way is found. |
| 11:32.21 | EvilCait | where they lost an admin who was bonding 4 nic's to a guy who doesn't know how to change iptables configurations |
| 11:32.50 | blubberdiblub | Night_Elf, yes, or with just issuing a simple command from the shell |
| 11:32.56 | HSorgYves | what might have "deleted" thos bond+ lines? |
| 11:33.13 | blubberdiblub | i suspect they were never added |
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| 11:33.31 | EvilCait | HSorgYves: I'd suggest you poke around in /etc and try to find the iptable rules file |
| 11:33.43 | EvilCait | or read up on bastille, as this system has that installed |
| 11:33.45 | HSorgYves | and isn't one needed in OUTPUT chain as well then? |
| 11:33.52 | EvilCait | and there maybe a configuration file that lists interfaces |
| 11:34.05 | EvilCait | HSorgYves: no, it's got a "estalished" rule in there |
| 11:34.12 | EvilCait | once it's in the estalished state it will pass |
| 11:34.19 | EvilCait | ie your iptable rules are stateful |
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| 11:34.51 | blubberdiblub | you'd probably want the matching OUTPUT rule anyways. but that still boils down to configuring the program that put them there correctly |
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| 11:35.57 | HSorgYves | ok, how to get that line there now? |
| 11:35.59 | EvilCait | blubberdiblub: for accepting a connection to a webserver? |
| 11:36.22 | blubberdiblub | EvilCait, no, but for connections started from the server |
| 11:36.24 | EvilCait | blubberdiblub: it will never match the outbound rule if you're checking the stateful |
| 11:36.29 | EvilCait | blubberdiblub: which you probbly wont yes :) |
| 11:36.32 | EvilCait | err want |
| 11:36.37 | EvilCait | being able to get things through wget is nice :) |
| 11:36.45 | HSorgYves | 0 0 PUB_IN all -- bond+ * 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 |
| 11:36.48 | EvilCait | anyways, configure bastille and add bond+ |
| 11:36.55 | EvilCait | HSorgYves: how'd you manage this? |
| 11:36.59 | jelly-home | I'm not sure how smart is to use a hardening tool without understanding its results or its workings |
| 11:37.05 | EvilCait | jelly-home: agreed |
| 11:37.11 | HSorgYves | how to get that line in iptables? |
| 11:37.13 | blubberdiblub | very true, jelly-home |
| 11:37.28 | EvilCait | jelly-home: it was already setup by the time this guy got control over the server |
| 11:37.32 | EvilCait | it just wasn't setup properly |
| 11:37.39 | blubberdiblub | maybe HSorgYves should consider removing bastille or whatever it is |
| 11:37.45 | EvilCait | HSorgYves: any number of ways, i'd suggest going through the bastille configuration |
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| 11:37.46 | HSorgYves | i just want to get the thing back up, can change whatever afterwards |
| 11:37.51 | jelly-home | EvilCait: I'd have ripped it out. |
| 11:38.02 | EvilCait | jelly-home: myself, yes... but I write my own iptable rules |
| 11:38.14 | EvilCait | but when I hear things like " it worked before " |
| 11:38.18 | Night_Elf | blubberdiblub: EvilCait: I am also not sure... is line nr.12 needed as a last clause of INPUT when the default policy is DROP ? |
| 11:38.18 | EvilCait | I get turned off |
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| 11:38.38 | jelly-home | make primary functionality online again, then deal with whatever |
| 11:38.38 | HSorgYves | EvilCait: sorry about that |
| 11:38.53 | EvilCait | Night_Elf: you're correct |
| 11:39.01 | blubberdiblub | Night_Elf, it's not strictly needed. but maybe whatever put that line up doesn't want to rely on the default target |
| 11:39.04 | EvilCait | the default policy is drop, so having a specific drop isn't necessary but doesn't hurt |
| 11:39.20 | EvilCait | Chain INPUT (policy DROP 1 packets, 60 bytes) |
| 11:39.26 | EvilCait | as you can see the input default isn't getting used |
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| 11:39.34 | EvilCait | well it was hit once before the final drop rule was added |
| 11:39.44 | mtrd` | hello. i installed nvidia-settings & nvidia-xorg-config (Nvidia GT 320), it modified my grub and now i have two debian to choose |
| 11:39.48 | EvilCait | HSorgYves: either rip out bastille completely, or figure out how to configure it |
| 11:39.57 | mtrd` | and the new one is just a terminal, and can't find any screen. |
| 11:40.01 | mtrd` | what can i do ? |
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| 11:40.13 | Night_Elf | blubberdiblub: EvilCait: my comment is because the existance of that line, will not allow "iptables -A INPUT -i bond+ -j PUB_IN" to work. |
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| 11:40.31 | blubberdiblub | Night_Elf, it will, if it's inserted at the correct place |
| 11:40.41 | EvilCait | Night_Elf: very right! |
| 11:40.49 | EvilCait | Night_Elf: yes but the -A is append |
| 11:40.54 | EvilCait | which will append after that line |
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| 11:41.07 | blubberdiblub | oh, didn't see anyone giving that command |
| 11:41.26 | EvilCait | blubberdiblub: still he makes the point, and really he should be editing the conf files rather than doing this manually from the command line |
| 11:41.34 | Night_Elf | blubberdiblub: How can you have it be, say, at line 8. I thought it is either to -I or -A. Top line or last line. |
| 11:41.56 | blubberdiblub | Night_Elf, you can give number arguments to -I |
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| 11:42.02 | EvilCait | -I chain [rulenum] |
| 11:42.07 | EvilCait | -A just appends at the end |
| 11:42.11 | Night_Elf | blubberdiblub: oh? Niiiice. didn't know this. |
| 11:42.21 | EvilCait | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.26 | EvilCait | 4th line in the man page :) |
| 11:42.43 | EvilCait | Night_Elf: because like msot sane people you probably do iptables-save into a file, and then edit it and call iptables-restore < file |
| 11:42.51 | Night_Elf | all right all right. I'm only human, things do skip my attention sometimes. ^^ |
| 11:43.04 | EvilCait | Night_Elf: don't apologize for editing iptables the sane way :) |
| 11:43.55 | EvilCait | I really do wish debian had a better built in facility for saving and restoring iptable rules though |
| 11:44.11 | blubberdiblub | anyway, that shows even more that he needs to do something about bastille. inserting a rule at a fixed position is going to break sooner or later |
| 11:44.31 | EvilCait | blubberdiblub: big time |
| 11:44.32 | Night_Elf | yeah, eventually |
| 11:44.37 | EvilCait | next reboot :) |
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| 11:44.58 | EvilCait | power failure, and you come in the next morning people are screaming why sht isn't working |
| 11:45.21 | EvilCait | because you changed something from the command line 6-8 months ago and never saved it to the startup configuration |
| 11:45.28 | EvilCait | raise your hand if you've ever been there? |
| 11:45.54 | blubberdiblub | raises his hand |
| 11:46.19 | Night_Elf | I have. And now my homedir contains a directory with many files containing info about what has been done. |
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| 11:47.32 | Night_Elf | Saving is easy. cop run star ... no, wait. |
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| 11:47.46 | EvilCait | laughs |
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| 11:47.51 | EvilCait | oh there's been times |
| 11:47.59 | EvilCait | where i've edited something, specifically it was adding an alias with ifconfig |
| 11:48.06 | EvilCait | I didn't change my /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:48.08 | EvilCait | and this was in 2001 |
| 11:48.14 | EvilCait | power failure like a year later, came back up |
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| 11:48.21 | EvilCait | people are shitty "why is the ticketing system broken!" |
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| 11:48.47 | EvilCait | then office shooting |
| 11:49.13 | Night_Elf | ah... but you have power outages once a year, that's why you're spoiled this way. I deal with them weekly, so I have evolved an instict to these things :D |
| 11:49.26 | HSorgYves | great; works again! |
| 11:49.29 | EvilCait | Night_Elf: actually now we have our data center off two power grids |
| 11:49.37 | EvilCait | one that the hospital is on, and our own generator |
| 11:49.41 | EvilCait | no power failures in 3 and a half years |
| 11:49.52 | EvilCait | so muhahaha, the heck with even running apcupsd |
| 11:50.01 | EvilCait | famous last words ;) |
| 11:50.12 | EvilCait | HSorgYves: so what did you do? |
| 11:50.24 | EvilCait | other than iptables -I 8 -j whatever |
| 11:50.36 | Night_Elf | Ehh... diferent realities, ot a least interpretations of it. :D |
| 11:51.16 | Night_Elf | HSorgYves: yea, how is your situation now ? |
| 11:51.35 | EvilCait | Night_Elf: I think he got the rule for bond+ inserted |
| 11:51.40 | HSorgYves | added bond+ to INPUT and OUTPUT |
| 11:51.41 | EvilCait | hopefully he doesn't reboot |
| 11:52.26 | EvilCait | yeah his output is policy accept, but may as well add it there |
| 11:52.31 | EvilCait | Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT 7872 packets, 1034K bytes) |
| 11:52.36 | EvilCait | can't hurt to put it in there too |
| 11:52.50 | Night_Elf | HSorgYves: ok. Rule nr 1. Try to find how to fix it properly, where it has to be configured together with the other rules. rule nr 2. Remember to do this again at next reboot. |
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| 11:53.10 | HSorgYves | EvilCait: no I won't ;-) the new server is nearly ready, will migrate of that box this weekend, then at least I know HOW things are configured |
| 11:54.05 | EvilCait | great |
| 11:54.10 | EvilCait | you might want to look into iptables stuff |
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| 11:54.16 | EvilCait | it is a very cool/useful thing to run |
| 11:54.23 | EvilCait | I literally have it on every single production linux server |
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| 11:54.26 | EvilCait | ie a stateful iptables ruleset |
| 11:55.11 | Night_Elf | EvilCait: the generic skeleton of the rules, you have used any template or you have custom made them your own ? |
| 11:55.15 | HSorgYves | EvilCait: there is a hardware firewall, that is the advantage of having iptables besides? |
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| 11:55.45 | EvilCait | Night_Elf: I know iptables well enough but yes I've kinda developed a "template" of how I set them up and try to always just set them up the same way. Mind you I am admin'ing 30 linux hosts now |
| 11:55.52 | EvilCait | HSorgYves: why not both? |
| 11:56.01 | EvilCait | hardware firewalls aren't host level so they can't be as flexible for some things |
| 11:56.12 | EvilCait | Night_Elf: if you want I can show you the template I usually use, it works with ipv6 too |
| 11:56.15 | EvilCait | since we're a big ipv6 shop |
| 11:56.21 | EvilCait | ie ipv6 everywhere |
| 11:56.42 | gnarface | prefers "hardware firewalls" but defines that as "an OpenBSD box running pf" |
| 11:56.57 | EvilCait | one big advantage of iptables is you can use -m connlimit |
| 11:57.00 | Night_Elf | HSorgYves: It is, depends how you look at it. The hand thing of that is that you have a central point where to see what is happening without need to check each server individually. Other than that, it all depends how the firewalls are configured. A firewall is as good as it is configured. |
| 11:57.13 | EvilCait | gnarface: nothing wrong with both :) |
| 11:57.30 | EvilCait | theo is a friend of mine so, I know pf well enough |
| 11:57.44 | gnarface | EvilCait: in a high-load environment there can certainly be a problem with both |
| 11:57.46 | EvilCait | but really having a single control/choke point for ingress/egress into the network is nice |
| 11:57.50 | EvilCait | like an ASA or a PF openbsd box or whatever |
| 11:57.55 | Night_Elf | EvilCait: yea sure I'd like that. |
| 11:58.01 | EvilCait | but internally and at the host level having iptables is helpful too, especially since iptables CAN and does work with uid |
| 11:58.09 | EvilCait | ie you can restrict egress by uid |
| 11:58.21 | HSorgYves | ok |
| 11:58.23 | gnarface | EvilCait: you know theo? do me a favor and tell him he's the man |
| 11:58.35 | EvilCait | gnarface: dude, literally he WORE out his princess bride DVD |
| 11:58.44 | EvilCait | he is not the man, we were all shocked he actually got a girlfriend |
| 11:58.48 | EvilCait | everyone was like "what, you're not gay?" |
| 11:58.49 | Zharf | empathy's supposed to have ICQ support, but on sid it at least it doesn't seem to... anyone know why? or am I just blind... can't add ICQ account |
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| 11:59.13 | gnarface | haha |
| 11:59.16 | gnarface | still the man |
| 11:59.22 | EvilCait | or the best was the cruse missile joke that got the DOD to pull his multimillion dollar a year contract |
| 11:59.33 | EvilCait | just genius all around :) |
| 11:59.49 | babilen | Zharf: #509302 |
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| 12:01.04 | EvilCait | Night_Elf: sure, got an email address? |
| 12:01.15 | EvilCait | msg me |
| 12:04.28 | Night_Elf | EvilCait: ok |
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| 12:06.26 | knoppix | hello debian channel |
| 12:06.56 | knoppix | question, I dont have acess to a dvd or cd burner or windows install on a new disk |
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| 12:07.32 | knoppix | how can I run debian installer from another distro live cd? *based on debian( im using kenoppix currently |
| 12:07.41 | knoppix | obviously |
| 12:07.58 | knoppix | s/kenoppix/knoppix |
| 12:08.04 | petemc | knoppix: check the install guide, look for debootstrap |
| 12:08.10 | babilen | knoppix: Do you have USB? |
| 12:08.11 | knoppix | allright |
| 12:08.13 | knoppix | ty |
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| 12:08.31 | gele | hello, i'm trying to do an incremental backup with duplicity (the version that is in squeeze, 0.6.08b-1+b1) with a couple of gigabytes of new files. all the data volumes have been transferred to the backup media in a couple of hours, and now it just seems to be computing signatures. it has been using 100% of one cpu for more than 8 hours which is much longer than it has ever taken before, even when i did the first full backup which had at le |
| 12:08.31 | gele | ast 10 times more data. |
| 12:08.56 | gele | does anyone know if this is likely to finish, or if i've hit some bug and it's just stuck? |
| 12:09.06 | cire_work | hi, I am searching a tool to visualize our network. I have entities like servers, switches and routers, and these devices have ports which I want to connect visually. Is there something interesting? Does not need to be free of charge, if it is worth the money we will buy it. |
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| 12:09.42 | gele | it's the duplicity process using all that cpu, not gpg. don't know if that matters. |
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| 12:10.10 | gele | i also see weird spikes in ram usage every 3 seconds. |
| 12:10.18 | cire_work | I have seen lots of programs which are able to visualize networks, but I also want to be able to distinct between the ports on a switch and so on. It is not to get out nioce graphs, it is to get a fast overview or deep insight into our network connections. |
| 12:12.47 | gnarface | cire_work: as far as i know all you can really get at other than the IP layer is arp. what you're asking for sounds like features that are hardware specific and are usually accessed by connecting to the switch's admin console directly in some way |
| 12:13.07 | gnarface | cire_nonick: you know about arp right? |
| 12:13.39 | petemc | probably supports snmp |
| 12:14.02 | gnarface | snmp, telnet, tftp, even http i've seen |
| 12:14.12 | gnarface | some even have external serial ports |
| 12:14.19 | gnarface | does ipmi give you some control over that too? |
| 12:14.35 | gnarface | doesn't know shit about expensive hardware |
| 12:14.39 | petemc | for graphing port usage you would generally use snmp |
| 12:14.49 | cire_work | gnarface: no, you did get me wrong. I know about arp. I want to connect the lines in my diagram, this shall not happen automatically. Also I do not want to do some remote access. |
| 12:15.11 | gnarface | cire_nonick: nevermind then, sorry |
| 12:15.17 | babilen | gele: I haven't used duplicity before, but I guess that it is computing the delta between old and new files. Also: Does it do de-duplication? |
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| 12:15.52 | gele | babilen: no, it has done the deltas already. all the data volumes have been transferred. it does not do deduplication. |
| 12:16.09 | SpComb | cire_work: nagios? |
| 12:16.18 | cire_work | I just want to visualize our network's entities. But not "computer x connected to switch y" but "computer x.eth0 ----connected----> switch_y.port10" |
| 12:16.29 | gele | from what i can see it hasn't written anything to the disk in the last 8 hours either. |
| 12:16.34 | cire_work | This would also mean, there should be a device database, not only a drawing |
| 12:16.44 | gele | though it has all the old and new signature files open. |
| 12:17.05 | gnarface | cire_nonick: oh wait i've heard of something like this. it was shown in jurassic park and everyone thought it was fake but its an old unix program. |
| 12:17.12 | cire_work | SpComb, I will have a look at this, thought this was a network monitor (reporting states of machines and so on) |
| 12:17.22 | EvilCait | nagios will draw you a pretty picture too |
| 12:17.25 | EvilCait | it's a nice living document |
| 12:17.28 | SpComb | cire_work: it is, but it can also draw a graph-layout of the various nodes/services |
| 12:17.32 | babilen | gele: Ok, and there ends my intuition -- Not sure what could explain this behaviour. You might want to bring it up in a more duplicity specific channel, forum or mailing list. Behaviour like that is not really acceptable in production IMHO. You might want to try other backup tools if it is indeed "normal" behaviour. |
| 12:17.42 | cire_work | SpComb, thanks, I will check this out |
| 12:17.44 | EvilCait | otherwise use dia |
| 12:17.46 | SpComb | cire_work: but not typically things like switch ports, no |
| 12:17.47 | EvilCait | or visio :) |
| 12:18.02 | gele | babilen: yeah. i haven't found any irc channels, i suppose i'll try the mailing list. |
| 12:18.11 | SpComb | cire_work: if you want some kind of real-time status overview, there's weathermap (data from RRD -> draw links between nodes) |
| 12:18.20 | gele | babilen: though i expect them to say that i should use the latest version, which isn't in squeeze. |
| 12:18.40 | gnarface | cire_nonick: oh sorry nevermind that was for filesystems |
| 12:18.43 | cire_work | EvilCait, I do not want to draw, I want to connect REAL entities ;) |
| 12:18.49 | SpComb | cire_work: but if you just want to document your network topology, then I haven't come across anything better than your typical graph-drawing applications |
| 12:19.23 | EvilCait | cire_nonick: get nagios :) |
| 12:19.31 | EvilCait | it draws for you |
| 12:19.31 | gnarface | inkscape is really good actually for that its too bad it sucks ass to learn. the tutorial is sufficient for basic use however |
| 12:19.38 | cire_work | SpComb, weird. I thought huge datacenters have some kind of inventory database for their hardware. Next Step would be to connect the entities in this db visually... |
| 12:19.49 | babilen | gele: You could backport the version from sid (/msg dpkg ssb), but ask first if they know what might explain this behaviour. |
| 12:19.56 | SpComb | cire_work: presumeably, yes, but presumeably also at different levels, hmm |
| 12:20.04 | SpComb | as in, phyiscal wiring infrastructure vs network topology |
| 12:20.06 | Zharf | babilen, seems weirdly unrelated but it works after installing all telepathy packages... thanks for the pointer |
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| 12:20.48 | cire_work | At first physical wiring is the thing I want to do. Next is network |
| 12:20.56 | babilen | Zharf: Isn't ICQ supposed to work without any additional packages?!¿ |
| 12:20.59 | SpComb | and then things like VLANS, STP, ...? |
| 12:21.03 | SpComb | different IP networks? |
| 12:21.07 | SpComb | there's a lot to document |
| 12:21.15 | Zharf | babilen, I thought so, but it didn't appear on the protocols list |
| 12:21.19 | SpComb | but if you come across something that does all that, tell me as well :) |
| 12:21.33 | EvilCait | spcomb: sounds like you need to hire a student on a work term ;) |
| 12:21.56 | EvilCait | give them a name tag that says "visio bitch" |
| 12:21.57 | SpComb | we used to have a "network topology map" using .dot, but it's not really that great - you can't lay out the nodes to correspond to the actual geographical/phyiscal topology |
| 12:21.59 | gele | babilen: ok, thanks. |
| 12:22.23 | SpComb | then we have a weathermap, but only shows the more important links, not everything |
| 12:22.27 | cire_work | SpComb, I will tell you if I find sth interesting ;) thanks |
| 12:22.39 | SpComb | and it doesn't know anything about which switch port is which, it just has the .rrd name |
| 12:23.14 | SpComb | http://www.network-weathermap.com/node/42 <-- that kind of weathermap |
| 12:23.18 | gele | Zharf: isn't the icq protocol = oscar? |
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| 12:23.32 | Zharf | gele, well yes but that wasn't on the list either |
| 12:23.38 | gele | ah. |
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| 12:23.48 | SpComb | with a campus building map / building floor plan as the background |
| 12:23.56 | Zharf | it only had jabber, windows live, google talk, facebook chat and irc |
| 12:24.09 | Zharf | oh and people nearby |
| 12:24.32 | Zharf | but it works now so that's fine |
| 12:24.54 | gele | people nearby, also known as the "shouting" protocol. |
| 12:24.59 | Zharf | yeah |
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| 12:25.37 | gele | i'm going to give this backup another few hours before i interrupt it... lunch time. |
| 12:26.19 | gnarface | what was the name of that unix filesystem browser they showed in jurassic park? was it just called experimental filesystem browser? |
| 12:27.43 | Zharf | jurassic park... |
| 12:27.49 | EvilCait | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fsn |
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| 12:28.11 | gnarface | damn no debian package |
| 12:28.24 | EvilCait | fsv |
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| 12:29.33 | EvilCait | nope, doesn't appear to be :) |
| 12:29.40 | EvilCait | it looks like it's abandonware |
| 12:29.43 | gnarface | fsviewer is something different? |
| 12:29.58 | EvilCait | try it and let me know :) |
| 12:30.18 | Zharf | gee, has it really been almost 20 years since jurassic park |
| 12:30.43 | Zharf | movies haven't really come far since ;) |
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| 12:31.49 | gnarface | fsviewer is lame http://www.linuxfocus.org/common/images/article127/filev24.jpg |
| 12:32.27 | gnarface | where do i go to request a package? |
| 12:32.31 | gnarface | is there a wishlist somewhere? |
| 12:32.40 | jelly-home | !rfp |
| 12:32.40 | dpkg | Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, a RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>. |
| 12:32.41 | EvilCait | gnarface: yup |
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| 12:32.57 | jelly-home | !wnpp |
| 12:32.57 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp (refinable list at http://wnpp.debian.net/). Use wnpp-alert (from the <devscripts> package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
| 12:32.58 | EvilCait | oh that is lame |
| 12:33.16 | EvilCait | l33t for 1993 |
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| 12:34.06 | jelly-home | they didn't have rss feeds in 1993 |
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| 12:34.54 | EvilCait | nope, not until 99 I think |
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| 12:36.34 | jelly-home | EvilCait: so what is it you're finding lame? |
| 12:37.03 | Aivaras | what is my weechat doing? |
| 12:37.14 | EvilCait | fsviewer :) |
| 12:37.29 | EvilCait | jelly-home: I was responding to gnarface's link |
| 12:37.40 | EvilCait | <gnarface> fsviewer is lame http://www.linuxfocus.org/common/images/article127/filev24.jpg |
| 12:37.53 | jelly-home | OSX Finder works almost the same way now |
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| 12:38.31 | EvilCait | as fsviewer? |
| 12:38.39 | jelly-home | yes |
| 12:38.49 | yo_linux | nah. |
| 12:39.06 | EvilCait | I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with you there |
| 12:39.22 | yo_linux | heritage is there (NeXt, but works like? nope. |
| 12:40.10 | EvilCait | why not say osx finder is like norton commander then? |
| 12:40.11 | jelly-home | the heritage includes both code and user-visible behavior |
| 12:40.56 | EvilCait | jelly-home: so you're saying osx finder is derived from fsviewer? |
| 12:41.03 | jelly-home | yes. |
| 12:41.08 | yo_linux | behaviour is not the same. Screenshots look somewhat alike, yes. |
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| 12:41.42 | EvilCait | only thing I see in common is miller columns |
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| 12:43.19 | EvilCait | I always thought osx finder was dervied from next workspace manager |
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| 12:44.01 | EvilCait | anyways, not to say that osx finder is the best since sliced bread either |
| 12:44.32 | EvilCait | but I kinda dislike all visual file managers |
| 12:47.39 | blip2 | tab completion is faster than all |
| 12:47.45 | trist4n | lol |
| 12:47.47 | trist4n | locate? |
| 12:47.55 | yo_linux | yay for tab completion! |
| 12:48.28 | EvilCait | three cheers for tab completion! |
| 12:48.45 | EvilCait | h-<tab>-ip-hoo<tab>ray |
| 12:49.00 | EvilCait | <up><enter><up><enter> |
| 12:49.03 | yo_linux | Following an announcement on December 20, 1996,[8] on February 4, 1997, Apple Computer acquired NeXT for $429 million, and used the OPENSTEP for Mach operating system as the basis for Mac OS X.[9] |
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| 12:50.21 | yo_linux | FSViewer is a file system viewer for Window Maker, developed by George Clernon visually and functionally in analogy to the Workspace Manager of NeXTStep(TM). |
| 12:50.23 | v2 | Hello, did someone using multiscreen on debian ? i have to make a multi screen on debian whose is on a macpro |
| 12:50.50 | yo_linux | So FSViewer is a clone of NextStep, and nothing to do with OSX. |
| 12:50.51 | EvilCait | ah window maker, that brings me back |
| 12:50.58 | EvilCait | yo_linux: which is what I thought |
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| 12:52.15 | yo_linux | yep. info coutesy of wikipedia and the FSViewer homepage. :) |
| 12:52.18 | ale1600 | ciaooooooo |
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| 12:52.24 | ale1600 | !list |
| 12:52.24 | dpkg | ale1600: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 12:52.59 | johny5000 | hi, silly question, I type adduser command, but i want to cancel it, which keys should i press ? :D |
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| 12:53.29 | yo_linux | johny5000, ctrl+c |
| 12:53.29 | berarma | johny5000: ctrl + C ? |
| 12:53.30 | p0g0 | johny5000: control-c |
| 12:53.37 | johny5000 | not working |
| 12:53.53 | berarma | perfect synch :-D |
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| 12:53.56 | p0g0 | johny5000: you can kill the process too. |
| 12:54.17 | johny5000 | well. but maby cause it requests password |
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| 12:54.33 | johny5000 | ye :D sorry, its ok now |
| 12:55.08 | johny5000 | anyway, i wanted to create user with underscore... and it did not allowed me to do so |
| 12:55.12 | Moebius | hi. I got a weird prob after changing a monitor from CRT to LCD. Now on session startup the screen flickers a few times, but that's not all... also when i play video i notice some slight distortion in the middle of the screen which appears only on certain movement or bitmap pattern, but i never saw it on my old monitor. Any ideas? |
| 12:55.27 | johny5000 | adduser NEW_IDEA |
| 12:55.35 | Moebius | i mean.. common.. why would a monitor change anything.... |
| 12:55.46 | p0g0 | johny5000: wrong window... |
| 12:56.55 | johny5000 | heh, no that was just command i ran |
| 12:58.00 | johny5000 | it prompts me to add --force-badname ... but I dont know why underscore made that name bad |
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| 12:59.40 | Moebius | very helpful of you, thanks |
| 12:59.46 | johny5000 | i need to create postfix mail account with this exact name |
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| 13:10.17 | aguitel | whay is the goal for debian wheezy this year ? |
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| 13:16.48 | jelly-home | aguitel: uh... what goal? |
| 13:17.03 | trist4n | world domination |
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| 13:17.27 | aguitel | jelly-home: about become stable |
| 13:17.34 | EvilCait | to help make ubuntu a better OS :) |
| 13:17.45 | krion | trist4n: already done. |
| 13:17.51 | jelly-home | aguitel: I was not aware of that goal. Do you have a link? |
| 13:17.56 | EvilCait | hides |
| 13:18.17 | jelly-home | EvilCait: that's a noble and worthy goal, but not directly topical! |
| 13:18.22 | babilen | aguitel: http://release.debian.org/wheezy/goals.txt |
| 13:18.27 | EvilCait | jelly-home: I'm teasing anyways |
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| 13:18.38 | EvilCait | truthfully I'm not a ubuntu fan |
| 13:18.56 | krion | me neither, i prefer kubuntu |
| 13:19.12 | babilen | aguitel: And http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals -- Note, in particular, the "No RC bugs" one |
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| 13:19.24 | EvilCait | yeah having no rc bugs would be nice :) |
| 13:19.33 | EvilCait | coughs, for once, coughs |
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| 13:19.49 | EvilCait | actually it's not been that bad lately |
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| 13:20.44 | aguitel | babilen: ok |
| 13:20.57 | jelly-home | babilen: LFS must have been in there for a decade now... it's been so long, people even forgot it meant "large-file support" |
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| 13:23.12 | EvilCait | actually ipv6 support in squeeze was pretty good, save for mysql |
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| 13:37.14 | reinal | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 13:37.39 | reinal | "/etc/resolv.conf " 8.8.8.8 |
| 13:37.51 | reinal | no ports no firewall |
| 13:37.56 | reinal | no router |
| 13:38.07 | reinal | but allways this |
| 13:38.12 | reinal | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 13:38.27 | fir31ight | reinal: you should have nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 13:38.35 | fir31ight | not just 8.8.8.8 |
| 13:38.45 | reinal | how i do that |
| 13:38.55 | reinal | sorry |
| 13:39.07 | reinal | i have nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 13:39.09 | fir31ight | add 'nameserver 8.8.8.8' in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:39.16 | fir31ight | oh ok |
| 13:39.17 | reinal | in "/etc/resolv.conf " |
| 13:39.44 | fir31ight | and you can't do a simple nameserver query? ex: nslookup www.google.com |
| 13:39.58 | reinal | answer only in 10% |
| 13:40.07 | reinal | 90% ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 13:40.09 | Cain | i have an issue with volatile when running aptitude update on a lenny server ==> "Err http://volatile.debian.org lenny/volatile Release.gpg" <== the repository has changed ? |
| 13:40.29 | reinal | and of course other machines are working well in same network |
| 13:40.30 | abrotman | !enter |
| 13:40.30 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 13:40.58 | reinal | ok |
| 13:41.05 | fir31ight | reinal: what does your pings look like? drops? |
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| 13:41.38 | fir31ight | reinal: ping 8.8.8.8 |
| 13:41.47 | abrotman | reinal: what command is failing with that error ? |
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| 13:43.01 | reinal | ping: unknown host www.yahoo.com |
| 13:44.47 | abrotman | !opendns |
| 13:44.47 | dpkg | OpenDNS is a service allowing faster and more secure DNS resolution. Uses the nameservers 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220. http://www.opendns.com/ #opendns on irc.oftc.net. See also <googledns>, <override dns>. |
| 13:45.13 | abrotman | reinal: try 'nslookup www.google.com 208.67.222.222" |
| 13:45.37 | reinal | same |
| 13:45.45 | reinal | i did nslookup www.google.com 208.67.222.222 |
| 13:45.47 | reinal | same |
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| 13:46.00 | abrotman | same what? |
| 13:46.03 | abrotman | fails also ? |
| 13:46.04 | colo-work | what's with all that opendns advertising everywhere? |
| 13:46.07 | reinal | yes |
| 13:46.13 | reinal | fail |
| 13:46.15 | abrotman | advertsising? |
| 13:46.16 | colo-work | I don't want my DNS servers to censor the internet for me, thank you very much |
| 13:46.24 | abrotman | i just watned him to try another DNS .. chill the fuck out |
| 13:46.25 | reinal | connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
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| 13:47.16 | abrotman | reinal: have you tried your ISP dns servers? |
| 13:47.29 | reinal | yes bu same there too |
| 13:47.30 | abrotman | reinal: also .. 'grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.com' |
| 13:47.32 | abrotman | jesus |
| 13:47.36 | abrotman | reinal: also .. 'grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf' |
| 13:47.52 | reinal | hosts:files dns |
| 13:48.41 | abrotman | reinal: reinal dpkg -l *bind9* .. have anything ? |
| 13:48.52 | abrotman | and also 'dpkg -l dnsutils' |
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| 13:49.32 | reinal | http://pastebin.com/7hdriqdC |
| 13:49.41 | abrotman | kind of a yes/no question :) |
| 13:50.03 | reinal | yes |
| 13:50.09 | abrotman | and dnsutils also ? |
| 13:50.11 | reinal | both |
| 13:50.13 | reinal | yes |
| 13:50.13 | mindbender | how can I create a new gnome keyring fie in debian gnome shell? |
| 13:50.13 | abrotman | okay |
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| 13:51.23 | abrotman | reinal: can you get anywhere by IP ? |
| 13:51.44 | reinal | i can accept mail and apache is ok |
| 13:51.48 | reinal | is serving files |
| 13:51.51 | reinal | so is smth else |
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| 13:52.03 | knoppix | quesion , what is preforming a basic bootstrap as to >> a installation or to a live kernel installed. |
| 13:52.04 | abrotman | reinal: can you get to http://72.14.204.147" ? |
| 13:52.04 | reinal | in one direction i'm ok |
| 13:52.24 | abrotman | knoppix: you should probably ask #knoppix or ##linux |
| 13:52.25 | reinal | no |
| 13:52.32 | abrotman | reinal: without the quote i mean |
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| 13:52.53 | abrotman | that's a google IP |
| 13:53.14 | reinal | no |
| 13:53.34 | abrotman | that's a bit odd .. |
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| 13:53.43 | abrotman | some sort of weird routing going on ? |
| 13:53.46 | reinal | i have virtualmin installed |
| 13:53.50 | reinal | yes |
| 13:53.53 | reinal | smth like this |
| 13:53.57 | abrotman | wtf is vitualadmin ? |
| 13:53.59 | abrotman | virtualmin |
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| 13:54.32 | reinal | virtual servers |
| 13:54.36 | reinal | like cpanel |
| 13:54.51 | xand | webmin? c.c |
| 13:55.04 | reinal | yes |
| 13:55.10 | reinal | route http://pastebin.com/mSBz23mZ |
| 13:55.19 | EvilCait | ah webmin |
| 13:55.30 | EvilCait | letting your boss think he can do your job |
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| 13:56.41 | Schalken | Can someone tell me what package would be responsible for generating a file like "/boot/initrd.img-2.6.33-2-kirkwood"? Apparently this file is supposed to exist on my system, but does not. |
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| 13:57.08 | abrotman | !tell Schalken about apt-file |
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| 13:57.27 | abrotman | reinal: route seems normal |
| 13:57.32 | reinal | so |
| 13:57.38 | reinal | what the fuck! |
| 13:57.38 | idank | can I check the GPU temperature with the open ati radeon drivers? |
| 13:58.15 | Schalken | abrotman: I've done a file search on packages.debian.org which I believe is equivalent to apt-file, but I didn't get anything. I'm guessing it's generated by a script/tool/process of some sort. |
| 13:59.01 | abrotman | Schalken: oh .. that package would likely be outdated ..this is ARM ? |
| 13:59.15 | Schalken | abrotman: Yup. |
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| 14:00.01 | abrotman | Schalken: which version of Debian ? |
| 14:00.08 | Schalken | abrotman: squeeze |
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| 14:00.20 | abrotman | reinal: have another box on the same lan with the same issue ? |
| 14:00.26 | abrotman | reinal: iptables -L .. anything running there ? |
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| 14:00.51 | abrotman | Schalken: on squeeze, that'd be 2.6.32-5-kirkwood |
| 14:01.01 | reinal | zero output iptables -L |
| 14:01.07 | abrotman | okay |
| 14:01.19 | abrotman | Schalken: or 2.6.39-bpo.2 for a BPO kernel |
| 14:01.34 | abrotman | reinal: another box on the same network ? |
| 14:01.44 | reinal | yes and working very well |
| 14:01.52 | reinal | other 2 no problem |
| 14:01.54 | Schalken | abrotman: I don't have any /boot/initrd.img* file though. |
| 14:02.06 | reinal | so is my server that has problem |
| 14:02.30 | Schalken | abrotman: Where is that file supposed to come from? |
| 14:03.28 | abrotman | Schalken: from the linux-image packages |
| 14:04.16 | abrotman | reinal: do something like 'strace host www.google.com' |
| 14:04.23 | Schalken | abrotman: Ahhh. |
| 14:04.24 | abrotman | reinal: look for errors |
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| 14:06.14 | reinal | where |
| 14:06.34 | abrotman | it's a command you run .. it'll spit out a bunch of stuff |
| 14:06.35 | Schalken | It was my fault. I installed my linux-image package before initramfs-tools, which left just the kernel image but no initrd. Reinstalling the linux-image package fixed it. |
| 14:06.41 | reinal | "/var/log/ a lot of files |
| 14:06.57 | reinal | i dont have installed strace |
| 14:07.07 | Schalken | abrotman: ^ see above. |
| 14:07.13 | Schalken | abrotman: Thanks for your help. |
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| 14:07.15 | abrotman | Schalken: okay .. got it fixed ? yay |
| 14:07.25 | abrotman | reinal: so .. you can't install it cause you have no intarwebs ? |
| 14:07.29 | jelly-home | that's two actual ia64 users this week |
| 14:07.33 | reinal | yes |
| 14:07.36 | Schalken | abrotman: Cheers. |
| 14:07.45 | reinal | apt-get not possible to install |
| 14:08.06 | abrotman | reinal: you've tried host/dig/nslookup .. all the same? |
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| 14:08.19 | abrotman | reinal: which mirror is in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 14:08.42 | abrotman | jelly-home: isn't kirkwood arm ? |
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| 14:09.22 | jelly-home | uh... dunno, it sounded like something intel would name! |
| 14:09.33 | jelly-home | thiswood or thatwood |
| 14:09.43 | reinal | http://ftp.debian.org/debian |
| 14:09.44 | abrotman | you and your wood .. |
| 14:10.04 | abrotman | reinal: ugh .. let's pick one near you .. |
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| 14:10.38 | jelly-home | abrotman: so you're right, it's an arm. and a wood at the same time |
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| 14:10.55 | abrotman | jelly-home: sounds like a Dave2 thing |
| 14:11.55 | abrotman | reinal: replace your "ftp.debian.org" with "debian.otenet.gr" .. and then put an entry for it in /etc/hosts and use 83.235.64.44 |
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| 14:12.09 | Dave2 | abrotman: :( |
| 14:12.13 | reinal | Unable to locate package strace |
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| 14:12.24 | reinal | no install |
| 14:12.46 | abrotman | reinal: you have to update your package list first |
| 14:12.54 | abrotman | apt-get update |
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| 14:15.07 | abrotman | did this used to work ? |
| 14:15.23 | reinal | no |
| 14:15.31 | reinal | i come back in 15min |
| 14:15.38 | reinal | thnx abrotman |
| 14:15.47 | reinal | i believe that i'll need a lot of time |
| 14:16.27 | jelly-home | next thing you know, the machine has an unplugged eth. cable |
| 14:16.37 | abrotman | he says it receives email :) |
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| 14:16.49 | abrotman | unless he's pulling a Mr Bean and sending himself all that email |
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| 14:17.41 | Motafoca | hi guys, anyone here used soap, xml, and php on debian squeeze, i need some guidance |
| 14:17.47 | Motafoca | actually, some help |
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| 14:18.14 | Motafoca | php is working but i get the "SOAP-ERROR: Parsing WSDL: Couldn't load from" error when tryying to get the xml from server |
| 14:18.19 | Motafoca | and server is working fine |
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| 14:18.33 | Motafoca | looks like some module is missing, since on windows it works |
| 14:18.50 | jelly-home | Motafoca: for a start, can you wget that wsdl file on your own? |
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| 14:21.58 | forgotten | whats the file in /etc with all ur deb servers? i can't remember, my brain isn't working this morning |
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| 14:22.41 | timmyt | i have a TTF font with specific characters. i want to combine it with another font and replace some of it's characters with that one's. how can i do that? |
| 14:22.42 | forgotten | nvm i got it |
| 14:22.49 | forgotten | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:25.42 | kurrata | i have debian machine that cant connect to i-net, i managed to get a package on it hard drive, is there some way i can install package that is on my hard drive with apt-get or some other tool, i have cli only |
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| 14:26.22 | gele | timmyt: using a font editor, probably. i haven't used one myself. have you tried fontforge? |
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| 14:26.42 | koeien | kurrata: dpkg -i package_name.deb |
| 14:26.58 | koeien | kurrata: however, if you miss dependencies you will have to chase them manually |
| 14:27.08 | kurrata | koeien: thx, will try |
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| 14:28.19 | timmyt | sry.i'd been disconnected. any idea about merging ttf fonts into one font? im on debian |
| 14:28.23 | gele | timmyt: using a font editor, probably. i haven't used one myself. have you tried fontforge? |
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| 14:29.12 | kurt___ | hi |
| 14:29.26 | kurt___ | can someone help me with a dobut of debian? |
| 14:29.39 | petemc | just ask |
| 14:29.44 | kurt___ | ok |
| 14:29.46 | kwame | kurt___: if you don't ask you won't know |
| 14:30.00 | kurt___ | i want have recent software |
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| 14:30.10 | kurt___ | and i read something about backports |
| 14:30.23 | kurt___ | can i have recent software with it? |
| 14:30.26 | petemc | yes |
| 14:30.41 | gele | kurt___: if you want to have recent versions of lots of packages you might as well switch to testing though. |
| 14:31.05 | kurt___ | yes, but i like the stable with gnome 2 |
| 14:31.18 | kurt___ | for example, can i install wine beta? |
| 14:31.34 | kurt___ | with backports? |
| 14:31.35 | themill | wine is not a good example... |
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| 14:32.53 | kurt___ | themill : What should I do? |
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| 14:34.13 | TheRandom | can someone link me to a guide of how to make a bootable USB installer for debian under windows? |
| 14:34.31 | kurt___ | TheRandom : unetbootin |
| 14:34.48 | TheRandom | kurt___, didn't work but I'll give it another try. |
| 14:34.58 | kurt___ | else |
| 14:35.01 | kurt___ | lili |
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| 14:35.12 | gele | TheRandom: aren't there ready-made images? |
| 14:35.33 | kurt___ | www.linuxliveusb.com |
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| 14:37.12 | kwame | TheRandom: unetbootin it's almost user proof |
| 14:37.16 | kwame | it "just works" |
| 14:37.31 | TheRandom | kwame, ok it's booted this time, but I need network connection I take it? |
| 14:37.35 | TheRandom | I.e physical cable |
| 14:37.37 | TheRandom | rather than wireless |
| 14:37.51 | kwame | TheRandom: depends on the distro you are using |
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| 14:38.03 | TheRandom | I asked it to install Debian stable net x64 |
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| 14:38.20 | TheRandom | yeah it certainy seems to require network |
| 14:38.24 | kwame | TheRandom: did debian recognized your wireles adapter? |
| 14:38.32 | TheRandom | kwame, apparently not. |
| 14:38.35 | Leoneof | hello, i want to do grep 'text_xx_name' , xx are numbers, how to do that? |
| 14:38.39 | koeien | i have had little luck installing with without cable |
| 14:38.43 | kwame | TheRandom: did you take a moment to read the install manual of stabe net x64? |
| 14:38.46 | koeien | Leoneof: do you know which numbers? |
| 14:38.52 | TheRandom | I'll need to unplug this desktop |
| 14:39.09 | Leoneof | koeien: it's random |
| 14:39.15 | TheRandom | kwame, I've installed debian on my desktop before, it's the netbook which is causing issues. |
| 14:39.17 | TheRandom | Thank you though |
| 14:39.19 | koeien | for x in `seq 1 37`; do grep "text_${x}_name" .; done |
| 14:39.19 | TheRandom | back shortly |
| 14:39.33 | Leoneof | koeien: ok thanks, i will try |
| 14:39.34 | koeien | ah now i understand. disregard that. |
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| 14:39.41 | Leoneof | :d |
| 14:40.00 | koeien | you can use grep -e and then a regex |
| 14:40.00 | kurt___ | can someone tell me what can i do to use backports? |
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| 14:40.13 | Night_Elf | How old is a kernel version 2.6.32-5-686 ? I mean, am I in a bad shape or living in stoneage with it ? |
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| 14:40.24 | timmyt | how to merge ttf files? |
| 14:40.33 | koeien | I think grep -E text_[0-9]*_name |
| 14:40.48 | koeien | Night_Elf: i'm running that one, but amd64 |
| 14:41.22 | koeien | Leoneof: ^ |
| 14:41.37 | Leoneof | ah, ok will try, thanks ^_o |
| 14:41.43 | Night_Elf | koeien: It is what comes with debian 6. I sort of thing it can't be that old. |
| 14:42.01 | kwame | kurt___: here --> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+use+backports+debian |
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| 14:42.24 | kurt___ | kwame thanks :) |
| 14:42.25 | koeien | Night_Elf: debian stable doesn't upgrade the kernel, unless for security or other severe reasons |
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| 14:42.59 | koeien | if everything works i don't see a reason to upgrade myself, for very new hardware you might benefit |
| 14:43.08 | DammitJim | when I log in to my ssh server at home from a different location, the terminal tells me my last login |
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| 14:45.02 | DammitJim | nevermind |
| 14:45.10 | abrotman | Night_Elf: they backport various security fixes |
| 14:45.12 | Schalken | Would anyone know why, when I SSH into this embedded system, I get a terminal which works at all sizes, but when I connect via serial cable, I get a terminal in which vim and aptitude are stuck at the size 80x24? |
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| 14:46.01 | petemc | Schalken: have you compared $TERM ? |
| 14:46.02 | Night_Elf | koeien: that's what I think as well. The machine in question is not exposed to the internet, I want to try some iptables things combined with ipset, for some dynamic lists of ip-s to be used in firewall rules. |
| 14:46.18 | Schalken | petemc: Yeah, "xterm" in both cases. |
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| 14:47.58 | Night_Elf | abrotman: I guess that is a good thing and will keep the system in a better shape without upgrading. But I may be wrong. |
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| 14:48.00 | abrotman | the serial cable just shows what's pressetned? |
| 14:48.19 | abrotman | Night_Elf: does the kernel work? i wouldn't mess with it |
| 14:48.56 | Night_Elf | abrotman: just as I want it to be too :D |
| 14:49.14 | dwep | how come i can't ping ipv6 addresses? |
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| 14:49.17 | dwep | except localhost |
| 14:49.32 | Dagger3 | which addresses? |
| 14:49.46 | petemc | dwep: do you have a native ipv6 connection or a tunnel ? |
| 14:49.54 | dwep | well take ipv6.google.com for example, i keep getting "unknown host" |
| 14:50.09 | Dagger3 | you need to use ping6 |
| 14:50.20 | dwep | yep, using that command |
| 14:50.49 | Schalken | abrotman: What do you mean? I think when aptitude and vim ask for the size of the terminal, with the serial cable they always get 80x24, so they render at that size. I don't know where that is controlled though. |
| 14:50.53 | Dagger3 | do you actually have global v6 connectivity? |
| 14:50.53 | dwep | if i exlude the www part i get "connect: Network is unreachable" |
| 14:51.00 | Leoneof | koeien: it works, i've added -o, thanks :) |
| 14:51.35 | twobitsprite | anyone know how to get a second taskbar on a second monitor in gnomeshell? |
| 14:51.47 | Dagger3 | (uh, there is no www part in http://ipv6.google.com) |
| 14:51.49 | Dagger3 | sounds like you don't then |
| 14:51.55 | twobitsprite | google isn't being cooperative today |
| 14:52.34 | abrotman | Schalken: at the prompt echo $ROWS |
| 14:52.57 | dwep | Dagger3: darn, ofc |
| 14:53.11 | Schalken | abrotman: Nothing over serial. I'll try SSH. |
| 14:53.29 | Trewas | speaking of kernels, 3.2 made a *huge* difference for responsiveness during writing with its new I/O write throttling |
| 14:53.30 | dwep | Dagger3: something like this: http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/ipv6-connectivity.html |
| 14:53.36 | abrotman | ugh .. $COLUMNS |
| 14:53.39 | Schalken | abrotman: Nothing over SSH either. |
| 14:53.44 | abrotman | and $LINES |
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| 14:54.54 | Schalken | abrotman: Ah, $COLUMNS and $LINES change with the window size over SSH, but over serial they are stuck at 80 and 24. |
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| 14:55.49 | Schalken | abrotman: So what's responsible for updating those environment variables? |
| 14:55.59 | abrotman | probably your app |
| 14:56.03 | Dagger3 | dwep: that page looks reasonable. miredo may well work fine for you, if you only want to get individual computers online (although Teredo can be terrible for some people, and it may have connectivity issues to some networks) |
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| 14:56.11 | abrotman | serial cable is what is presented .. it's like a resal termianl |
| 14:56.15 | abrotman | can't type! |
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| 14:57.00 | geozapata | hello my ppls! |
| 14:57.14 | dwep | Dagger3: "ifconfig lo" prints an inet6 address, however, i can't modprobe ipv6? |
| 14:57.15 | Schalken | abrotman: resal terminal? |
| 14:57.29 | dwep | Dagger3: the module is not found |
| 14:57.38 | Schalken | geozapata: Hello! |
| 14:57.54 | Dagger3 | dwap: it's built-in in squeeze |
| 14:58.07 | geozapata | abrotman whats going on, thank you for all your help a few days ago! |
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| 14:58.19 | geozapata | whats up Schalken |
| 14:58.25 | abrotman | hope it all worked out |
| 14:58.32 | geozapata | actually... |
| 14:59.22 | dwep | Dagger3: actually, i'm running squeeze? |
| 14:59.23 | geozapata | the damn thing see all the networks but won't connect to any no matter what encryption the network has |
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| 14:59.59 | geozapata | I even removed the encryption just to try, and nothing |
| 15:00.02 | Dagger3 | dwep: so there's no module, and it's built-in. and if you have ::1 on lo, it's working |
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| 15:00.31 | geozapata | Won't obtain an IP address |
| 15:01.14 | geozapata | WEP/WAP2/NONE nothing :( |
| 15:01.30 | dwep | Dagger3: yep, lo has an inet6 address, but how come i can't ping neither ipv6.google.com nor v6.facebook.com |
| 15:01.41 | kwame | geozapata: have you tried putting it as an open networl? |
| 15:01.43 | kwame | *network? |
| 15:01.50 | twobitsprite | dwep: does eth0 have an ipv6 addr? |
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| 15:02.19 | geozapata | i did, i get an error can't obtain ip adress |
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| 15:02.22 | dwep | twobitsprite: yep |
| 15:02.34 | Schalken | abrotman: Wait, I think I get it. Over the serial cable there is just raw bytes going back and forth, but SSH actually provides a virtual terminal device which the running application can communicate with (to get the size etc). Is that right? |
| 15:02.34 | kwame | geozapata: pastebin your interfaces file |
| 15:02.35 | Dagger3 | dwap: does that address say 'Scope:Link' after it? |
| 15:02.45 | dwep | Dagger3: yep, as well |
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| 15:03.17 | dwep | and lo say "Scope:Host" after it |
| 15:03.25 | geozapata | i'm using wicd and my interface file is all commented out |
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| 15:04.03 | abrotman | Schalken: roughly |
| 15:04.08 | abrotman | geozapata: does iwlist show anything ? |
| 15:04.13 | Dagger3 | dwep: well, there you go. those aren't useful for global connectivity; you need something with Scope:Global for that |
| 15:04.13 | abrotman | geozapata: what changed? iut was working |
| 15:04.36 | Dagger3 | dwep: installing miredo will probably get you up-and-running quickly on that specific machine |
| 15:04.54 | geozapata | iwlist show all the networks... so does wicd |
| 15:05.12 | Dagger3 | dwep: (if you want to get v6 for your entire LAN, you'll need to use some different tunneling mechanism) |
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| 15:05.14 | Schalken | abrotman: Heh okay. Thank you very much for your help. |
| 15:05.21 | dwep | Dagger3: will give miredo a go then, just wondering though, which way is the "default" way to go when wanting to achieve this? |
| 15:05.32 | Night_Elf | It seems there's no module in the stock kernel for ipset. When I issue ipset -L I get the reply: ipset v2.5.0: Error from kernel: Protocol not available. |
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| 15:05.46 | abrotman | geozapata: and you checked your error logs? |
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| 15:05.59 | geozapata | last time you help i never actually tried to connect to anything. the problem i was having then was that wicd wouldn't see any networks but you help with that |
| 15:06.00 | talexb | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.08 | talexb | facepalm |
| 15:06.16 | geozapata | idk how to check the logs yet :/ |
| 15:07.07 | Night_Elf | Can someone confirm that there's no ipset module for the standard kernel ? |
| 15:07.28 | Dagger3 | dwep: it's *supposed* to involve getting v6 from your ISP, in roughly the same way you get v4 |
| 15:07.28 | project2501a | xscreensaver is not to be trusted any more |
| 15:07.30 | project2501a | ? |
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| 15:07.55 | pacman | hello |
| 15:08.08 | dwep | Dagger3: gotcha, ty for all your help :) |
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| 15:08.17 | pacman | do you know how to install wine beta? |
| 15:08.37 | pacman | on debian stable |
| 15:08.54 | Dagger3 | dwep: for the rest of us whose ISPs don't do that... probably tunnels from www.tunnelbroker.net are the most popular, but they require a public IP or some NAT skills to set up |
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| 15:09.29 | Night_Elf | ah, teh skillz |
| 15:10.02 | pacman | nobody knows ? :( |
| 15:10.29 | kwame | pacman: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+install+wine+beta+on+debian |
| 15:10.33 | rudi_s | Hi. Are there any plans to package texlive 2011 for Debian? |
| 15:11.00 | pacman | i didn t find anything on google |
| 15:11.07 | kwame | pacman: do you really expect for somebody to give you steps by steps on how to do it? |
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| 15:11.28 | Dagger3 | Night_Elf: `iptables -i eth1 -p 41 -j DNAT --to-dest 192.168.1.2` oh no it's so hard... except apparently it really is too difficult for a lot of NAT boxes :( |
| 15:11.32 | kwame | pacman: how about this? |
| 15:11.32 | kwame | http://www.winehq.org/download/debian |
| 15:12.13 | pacman | yes, but i dont have sid |
| 15:12.13 | kwame | pacman: this one also --> http://wiki.jswindle.com/index.php/Debian_Based |
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| 15:12.21 | phrearch | hello |
| 15:12.25 | kwame | pacman: well, just adapt it to the version you have |
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| 15:12.35 | kwame | phrearch: zup! |
| 15:12.36 | phrearch | does anyone know how i can get newer versions of netsnmp? |
| 15:12.41 | phrearch | hi kwame |
| 15:12.50 | pacman | kwame ok thanks, i am new at debian |
| 15:12.52 | kwame | phrearch: apt-get update? |
| 15:12.55 | jelly-home | phrearch: to what purpose |
| 15:13.11 | phrearch | there seems to be an error in snmpd, failing to bind properly to multiple interfaces |
| 15:13.16 | geozapata | abrotman i have a Fast TSC calibration failed |
| 15:13.16 | phrearch | or even one for that matter |
| 15:13.17 | phrearch | error on subcontainer 'ia_addr' insert (-1) |
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| 15:13.40 | phrearch | i need the latest and greatest netsnmp. maybe they got that fixed by now |
| 15:13.47 | Night_Elf | Dagger3: I understand. I know about it theoretically though, only from reading around. Haven't tried to set up ipv6 tunnels yet. |
| 15:13.51 | BRICKS1984 | is there anyone who can tell me why my wireless headphones don't work on youtube? |
| 15:14.16 | jelly-home | phrearch: something like this? http://bugs.debian.org/559109 ? |
| 15:14.30 | EvilCait | BRICKS1984: just youtube? |
| 15:14.46 | BRICKS1984 | EvilCait, yeah |
| 15:14.46 | Night_Elf | BRICKS1984: only the wireless headphones ? |
| 15:14.51 | phrearch | jelly-home: thats it exactly |
| 15:14.51 | BRICKS1984 | yeah |
| 15:15.02 | EvilCait | do other flash sites work? |
| 15:15.15 | jelly-home | phrearch: that is supposed to be fixed in Debian 6. Which Debian release are you using? |
| 15:15.23 | phrearch | ehm squeze/6 i think |
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| 15:15.57 | Night_Elf | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:16.12 | phrearch | 6.0.3 |
| 15:16.16 | BRICKS1984 | i can play audio files with vlc but when i try to watch a video on youtube i can't hear anything |
| 15:16.19 | jelly-home | phrearch: have you read the last message in that bug report? |
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| 15:16.38 | EvilCait | BRICKS1984: other flash sites? |
| 15:16.53 | Dagger3 | Night_Elf: hey, no time like the present! ;) |
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| 15:17.03 | phrearch | jelly-home: isnt that only to suppress the messages? |
| 15:17.24 | Night_Elf | Dagger3: lol. We live in epic/interesting times, yea. |
| 15:17.28 | jelly-home | phrearch: it is. Do you actually have snmpd failing to bind and start? |
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| 15:18.41 | BRICKS1984 | EvilCait, i don't know i haven't tried |
| 15:18.46 | jelly-home | ,versions snmpd |
| 15:18.47 | judd | Package: snmpd on i386 -- lenny: 5.4.1~dfsg-12; squeeze: 5.4.3~dfsg-2; sid: 5.4.3~dfsg-2.4; wheezy: 5.4.3~dfsg-2.4 |
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| 15:19.06 | abrotman | geozapata: so if you google that .. do you get anything ? |
| 15:19.27 | EvilCait | BRICKS1984: so instead of coming in here and saying flash sound is broken, youre telling a specific website is broken? |
| 15:19.30 | geozapata | lol i'm working on that as we speak |
| 15:19.38 | jelly-home | phrearch: for some reason, Debian hasn't updated their net-snmp in a while it seems |
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| 15:20.39 | BRICKS1984 | EvilCait, could you send me a link to some other flash website so i can try and see if my headphones work? |
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| 15:23.14 | Night_Elf | Is it true that there is a package 'ipset' but it is unusable because there is the need to patch the kernel for it, as no corresponding module package exists? |
| 15:23.15 | jelly-home | phrearch: frankly, looking at the opened bugs in the BTS, it looks as if the packaging needs some love |
| 15:24.14 | EvilCait | BRICKS1984: google strong bad email |
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| 15:25.23 | BRICKS1984 | EvilCait, I've just tried to watch a video on facebook and they don't work either |
| 15:25.39 | EvilCait | so your flash audio is broken |
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| 15:26.37 | BRICKS1984 | it works fine with my speakers (they're not wireless) |
| 15:26.42 | EvilCait | is flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound installed? |
| 15:26.57 | phrearch | jelly-home: any suggestions? build from source for now? |
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| 15:27.53 | BRICKS1984 | EvilCait, it says that that plugin is not available |
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| 15:28.19 | jelly-home | phrearch: you could try: /msg dpkg uupdate, /msg dpkg ssb, /msg dpkg package rebuild, but I'm not sure how complex adapting the packaging's going to need |
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| 15:30.43 | EvilCait | BRICKS1984: what I've done myself is downloaded the flash plugin manually from adobe and thrown it into /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins |
| 15:30.49 | EvilCait | since the one in non-free is a bit out of date |
| 15:31.08 | EvilCait | in theory flashplugin-nonfree should work |
| 15:31.58 | jelly-home | phrearch: fwiw, snmpd binds easily to UDP *:snmp on our squeeze machines |
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| 15:33.12 | jelly-home | phrearch: what is the exact command like you're using? How does it fail? |
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| 15:43.39 | geozapata | abrotman i can't find anythin relevant to my situation |
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| 15:47.46 | jair | jelly-home: would you know about dns on debian? I am trying to understand why I am getting all this additional root servers when running dig into my hosted site: plumswap.com => http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2mnhnrp&s=5 |
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| 15:50.06 | jelly-home | jair: those are not root servers. Like dig says, those are servers for the top-level "com." domain |
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| 15:51.46 | jair | jelly-home: why I am getting all those in my dig results though is there something wrong? |
| 15:51.56 | jelly-home | jair: they are THE place to ask about all the names under .com, including your "plumswap.com". That's what "authority" means. |
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| 15:52.06 | jair | jelly-home: if you compare with the other ones I don't get the same results |
| 15:52.32 | jelly-home | jair: what other ones? Other lookups for example.com? |
| 15:53.02 | jair | jelly-home: ok I heard you, check this ones --> http://tinypic.com/r/72zith/5 |
| 15:53.17 | jair | jelly-home: or http://tinypic.com/r/35lsylx/5 |
| 15:53.36 | jair | jelly-home: is my dns server zone screwed? |
| 15:53.41 | geozapata | abrotman you still there? |
| 15:53.49 | jelly-home | jair: can you show the exact command lines you used? |
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| 15:54.25 | pksadiq | isn't gnome the default interface for debian wheezy? |
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| 15:56.51 | pksadiq | if so, the content of pkg-list of CD1 at cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/list-cd/ is same as the pkg-list of KDE cd1, can somebody please confirm this? |
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| 15:57.52 | p3rror | anyone experienced with screen multiuser |
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| 15:58.20 | p3rror | i get this error message Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/8' - please check. |
| 15:58.27 | abrotman | geozapata: sorry, work happens :) |
| 15:59.04 | abrotman | geozapata: are you perhaps missing firmware for your wifi? have you tried switching it off/on ? |
| 15:59.14 | geozapata | stupid work lol... work you're helping all us while you're at work? THANKS |
| 15:59.52 | abrotman | geozapata: FSVO help |
| 15:59.54 | pksadiq | abrotman: could you please ^^^^ |
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| 16:00.18 | geozapata | I installed the 3945 firmware you told me about. could there be more? |
| 16:00.41 | abrotman | please who ? |
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| 16:01.01 | geozapata | lol |
| 16:01.07 | abrotman | pksadiq: there is no 'default interface' .. use the netinst .. install packages from there |
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| 16:01.33 | abrotman | geozapata: what was the error when you try to connect? |
| 16:01.36 | seravitae | hi, is there a way to throttle 'cp' or some copy function to a certain speed? |
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| 16:01.49 | abrotman | seravitae: you could renice it |
| 16:02.00 | taipres | debian maybe the best distro :) |
| 16:02.04 | jair | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/152997/ |
| 16:02.05 | taipres | I sure enjoy it |
| 16:02.11 | pksadiq | abrotman: but my problem is the list files, all the CD1 of kde, xfce , and the default shows the pkg list of kde, that's why I asked |
| 16:02.26 | jair | jelly-home: just dig plumswap.com |
| 16:02.48 | geozapata | when i try a secured network i get bad password regardless of it being right or wrong. when i connect to an open network i get can't obtain an ip adress |
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| 16:02.58 | seravitae | abrotman: maybe, i need it to be fairly accurate though |
| 16:03.05 | seravitae | not sure if process priority adjustment would work |
| 16:03.12 | mikemol | Hey, anyone know what tool I could use to open and inspect Windows registry hives? |
| 16:03.19 | jair | jelly-home: here is the google.com --> http://paste.debian.net/152998/ |
| 16:03.30 | taipres | mikemol yes just google nt registry hives |
| 16:03.34 | abrotman | pksadiq: why would it matter? |
| 16:03.36 | taipres | there's an open source tool to do it |
| 16:03.42 | abrotman | geozapata: that's not an *error* |
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| 16:03.47 | jair | jelly-home: I am just trying to understand why do I get all the authorization servers? and not when I do some other domain? |
| 16:03.53 | mikemol | taipres: yes, and my google fu is not giving me tool names. that's why I resorted to IRC. |
| 16:04.05 | pksadiq | abrotman: that's not how its supposed to be, that's all. |
| 16:04.13 | seravitae | abrotman: it seems rsync has a bandwith limit feature, that could probably work |
| 16:04.15 | abrotman | pksadiq: it's also "testing" |
| 16:04.21 | abrotman | seravitae: that's another method, yes |
| 16:04.28 | geozapata | thats what wicd says |
| 16:04.34 | taipres | Herm...looks burried, here's something http://www.codeproject.com/KB/recipes/RegistryDumper.aspx but not what I was talking about |
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| 16:05.06 | pksadiq | abrotman: ok, waiting for it to be stable, to escape from this ubuntu :) |
| 16:05.07 | seravitae | dann, i actually need to move the files, rsync doesnt seem to move. |
| 16:05.15 | jelly-home | jair: are you using that exact DNS to look things up? My result is different. http://paste.debian.net/152999/ |
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| 16:06.13 | abrotman | pksadiq: well, could be awhile .. but okay |
| 16:06.25 | abrotman | seravitae: you can make it delete the original IIRC |
| 16:06.31 | seravitae | oh, hm. |
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| 16:07.26 | abrotman | or you can delete them after ? |
| 16:07.42 | abrotman | since i can't find the option (i may have been mistaken) |
| 16:07.53 | seravitae | maybe, the issue is that i have two filesystems with multiple devices in each, i have to move the contents of both to the opposite physical devices |
| 16:07.55 | jelly-home | jair: you're getting some optional fields in the result. I don't think there's anything bad about it. |
| 16:08.08 | jair | jelly-home: here is the plumswap.com zone configuration ---> http://paste.debian.net/153001/ |
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| 16:08.23 | seravitae | i cant exclusively copy one fs to the other due to a lack fo space, so i have to move them to each other at the same time, matching bandwidth |
| 16:08.30 | jelly-home | jair: not going to look at that |
| 16:08.39 | TheRandom | Hi, on boot i'm getting /bin/sh can't access tty; job control turned off. Any tips? |
| 16:08.51 | geozapata | Connection Failed: Bad Password is what it outputs |
| 16:09.06 | abrotman | seravitae: seems obvious? |
| 16:09.07 | seravitae | rsync might let me do it with --remove-source-files |
| 16:09.21 | jair | jelly-home: thanks for the help |
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| 16:09.38 | jelly-home | jair: you ought to have two NS records, and name servers, for safety purposes, but that doesn't cause the response issues |
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| 16:14.42 | jair | jelly-home: I think I found what the issue is :) thank you so very much! |
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| 16:17.45 | edju | running stable amd64. iceweasel will not play flash content - displays just a black square. libflashplayer.so is in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and in ~/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so. any advice appreciated. |
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| 16:19.56 | jelly-home | edju: is it a 64bit libflashplayer.so |
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| 16:20.12 | fellipe | hi everyone. I am testing load balancing in Debian 6.0.3 squeeze with kernel version: 2.6.32-5-686 using virtualbox with eth0 and eth1. Load balancing is working but dead gateway detection is not. So, it seems to exist Julian Anastasov patches to enable this feature in kernel. So, can someone please help me to choose the correct file in : http://www.ssi.bg/~ja/#multigw ? I've tried to patch 2 of them unsuccessfully, by typing "patch -p1 < /root/<patch_fi |
| 16:20.12 | fellipe | le>. It shows many errors. Can someone help? |
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| 16:20.54 | fir31ight | edju: if you put 'about:plugins' in your browser does it show it's loaded? |
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| 16:21.36 | Moebius | is there any way i can activate right-click for the menu in xfce? |
| 16:21.39 | edju | jelly-home, good question. I'll check |
| 16:21.52 | edju | fir31ight, Yes, it shows. |
| 16:21.55 | Moebius | if i do it it just runs the application. I need it to give me a menu with at least one option like "send to desktop". |
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| 16:23.37 | edju | jelly-home, Yes, it's 64 bit. |
| 16:23.54 | jelly-home | that's a start |
| 16:25.15 | jelly-home | I don't have any decent suggestions about amd64 and flash. It's still one of the reasons why the machine I'm typing this on is still running 32bit userspace |
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| 16:26.41 | nkuttler | edju: works for me |
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| 16:26.59 | nkuttler | didn't update for a while though.. maybe the current flash is broken, no idea |
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| 16:27.30 | edju | jelly-home, yeah, what the heck - im going to scrap it and install 32. |
| 16:27.52 | edju | there's a few othe rproblems too, so . . . |
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| 16:31.49 | jelly-home | I mean it's supposed to work, but every time I try it things in general still seem a bit less stable than i386 |
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| 16:32.28 | kmmndr | Hi all :-) |
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| 16:33.36 | kmmndr | I'm "playing" with xen on squeeze, I've added a physical cpu to a Dom0, now I'm trying to add vcpu to a vm |
| 16:33.53 | kmmndr | but as the vcpu is higher, I'm getting the following error : Cannot set vcpus greater than max vcpus on running domain |
| 16:33.57 | kmmndr | any idea ? |
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| 16:38.13 | claw | how to find out the kernel version i am using ( the kernel.org version sheme) there is a file in /sys/ i believe |
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| 16:42.12 | babilen | claw: "uname -r" |
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| 16:42.23 | claw | no that show the debian way |
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| 16:42.34 | claw | i want to know the version displayed on kernel.org |
| 16:42.40 | sickn3ss | Hey guys where could I find a Debian 5 Iso |
| 16:42.54 | Leoneof | claw: uname -a |
| 16:42.56 | sickn3ss | I need this particular one, not the latest one |
| 16:42.59 | Night_Elf | sickn3ss: debian site, oldstable |
| 16:43.09 | sickn3ss | Night_Elf, thanks |
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| 16:46.50 | sickn3ss | Night_Elf, I can't find any ISO's |
| 16:47.41 | babilen | claw: nfc |
| 16:47.52 | Night_Elf | sickn3ss: actually I was just looking and can't find them either. Last I cheched (some year ago I guess) there was a section oldstable that pointed to whatever release previous than the current stable. Hmmm. |
| 16:48.10 | greycat | http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+lenny+iso+i386 |
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| 16:48.13 | babilen | !tell sickn3ss -about install lenny |
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| 16:48.39 | babilen | sickn3ss: And why? You really shouldn;t use lenny anymore |
| 16:49.13 | Night_Elf | sickn3ss: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 16:49.16 | sickn3ss | thanks |
| 16:49.16 | Hardisk | Hi, I have a BIND server installed with my domaine name. I want to add another domain name to it and I forgot everything about BIND :/ How do I do that? |
| 16:49.27 | sickn3ss | babilen, just want an ISO of it |
| 16:49.32 | sickn3ss | Been a huge Debian fan |
| 16:49.37 | greycat | Hardisk: /etc/bind/named.conf |
| 16:49.49 | sickn3ss | and I loved Lenny, lost my DVD |
| 16:49.50 | Hardisk | greycat: and then? |
| 16:49.57 | greycat | and then /etc/init.d/bind9 reload |
| 16:50.15 | Hardisk | greycat: sure but like what do I put in the conf file? |
| 16:50.31 | greycat | If you can't figure it out just by reading the file, ask #dns |
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| 16:51.16 | Hardisk | ok thanks |
| 16:52.10 | Night_Elf | Hardisk: add the relevant info at /etc/bind/named.conf.local then create some matching entry for the respecting zonefile. |
| 16:52.28 | Hardisk | Night_Elf: How do I create matching entry? |
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| 16:53.40 | greycat | Teaching you how to write BIND zone files is a bit much for #debian. There are books on it (O'Reilly's is well known but ancient), web tutorials, etc. |
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| 16:58.45 | Night_Elf | Hardisk: for each zone clause, the basic entries are type (master) and file (location of the zonefile). Then that zonefile in the indicated location gets to be filled with info, similar to http://pastebin.com/hkYZd0kD |
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| 16:58.51 | Night_Elf | oh.. ok :p |
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| 17:00.34 | edju | to switch from stable to testing, just change sources.list and dist-upgrade? |
| 17:00.58 | greycat | edju: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
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| 17:05.12 | alteregod | i can't restart my mdadm array, i got input output error |
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| 17:06.34 | Sleepwalker_Dima | all died? |
| 17:07.15 | alteregod | no |
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| 17:08.01 | Sleepwalker_Dima | xD okok it's not end of internet |
| 17:08.02 | alteregod | examine shows state active |
| 17:08.20 | Sleepwalker_Dima | mmm / examine? |
| 17:08.35 | alteregod | yes |
| 17:09.01 | Sleepwalker_Dima | op: [RAW]:examine :\ |
| 17:09.29 | greycat | Sleepwalker_Dima: alteregod asked a question about an input/output error with mdadm |
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| 17:10.29 | Sleepwalker_Dima | mmm >.< for pvt? |
| 17:11.03 | Sleepwalker_Dima | I'm so noob on irc >.< Now I'm using for first time KVIrc |
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| 17:12.00 | babilen | !tell Sleepwalker_Dima -about irc tutorial |
| 17:12.16 | Sleepwalker_Dima | -about |
| 17:12.20 | Sleepwalker_Dima | !tell |
| 17:12.38 | babilen | Sleepwalker_Dima: Please also note that this is a technical support channel and that you can chat in #defocus, #debian-offtopic and a plethora of other channels/networks |
| 17:12.55 | Sleepwalker_Dima | babilen: ty |
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| 17:13.04 | Ronis_BR | hi all, is there a way to buy music in linux being outside USA? |
| 17:13.26 | alteregod | go to offtopic! |
| 17:13.40 | alteregod | this is is a civilized channel, not a brasilian favela ghetto |
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| 17:14.19 | babilen | alteregod: Please try to phrase that more friendly :) |
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| 17:14.59 | babilen | Ronis_BR: But alteregod is correct. You probably want to ask that question in an offtopic channel such as #defocus or #debian-offtopic |
| 17:15.02 | Ronis_BR | alteregod: excuse-me? |
| 17:15.28 | alteregod | !ot Ronis_BR |
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| 17:15.46 | greycat | Ah, the #debian comedy routine. Person A says something, person C walks in and asks a question, person B responds to person A, and person C thinks person A was talking to person C. |
| 17:16.03 | babilen | haha, yeah! |
| 17:16.11 | alteregod | yeah, thats spaghetti code |
| 17:16.33 | greycat | Put the right letters in and it happened twice in the last 20 minutes. |
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| 17:17.06 | Frustrated | Hey, When i boot my pc i get an error that Xserver can't start, only error i see is (EE) HID 7545:1094: failed to initialize for relative axes., it then kills gdm.. if i do a startx, i get into X and everything works fine.. what gives? :( |
| 17:17.51 | greycat | Sounds like gdm is misconfigured. I don't use it myself. Does dpkg-reconfigure gdm work? |
| 17:18.47 | Frustrated | greycat, will that overwrite my xorg.conf ? |
| 17:18.47 | babilen | Also try different login managers such as gdm3, wdm, xdm, ... |
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| 17:19.13 | greycat | Frustrated: It shouldn't. |
| 17:19.19 | babilen | Frustrated: No, and you don't need a xorg.conf anymore in most cases btw as Xorg configures itself automatically. |
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| 17:19.50 | Frustrated | alright, but it didn't work.. same error |
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| 17:20.35 | Frustrated | trying gdm3 |
| 17:21.03 | babilen | Frustrated: You might also want to try it without a xorg.conf and you could paste the Xorg.0.logs to http://paste.debian.net |
| 17:21.04 | Ronis_BR | where can I see the bugs that is blocking gnome 3.2 to reach testing? |
| 17:21.11 | newbie007 | Hi, I've got a strange issue. At home I use debian, it works it's great. At another location, the gnome menu System > Administration is missing everything except a single item. Also there is no /etc/sudoers file.. Is this a bad install ? |
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| 17:21.55 | greycat | sudo is priority Optional, so it's not installed by default |
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| 17:22.32 | newbie007 | do I touch /etc/sudoers ? or how do I get this functionality? |
| 17:22.35 | babilen | Ronis_BR: http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gnome-shell.html and http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.2-status.html |
| 17:22.37 | greycat | Install sudo. |
| 17:22.47 | newbie007 | oh |
| 17:22.48 | Ronis_BR | babilen: thanks |
| 17:22.59 | babilen | !tell newbie007 -about sudoers |
| 17:23.08 | newbie007 | what about all of the missing items from Administation such as "Users & Groups" ? |
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| 17:23.53 | greycat | If installing sudo doesn't make them appear, then I don't know. I don't use GNOME. |
| 17:24.08 | newbie007 | greycat: thanks for the help |
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| 17:38.06 | DragonSlay | i've installed enlightenment recently and didn't like it. so unistalled it. how can i get back my previous window manager in gnome? |
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| 17:46.22 | alteregod | i can't restart my mdadm array, i got input output error |
| 17:47.17 | somiaj | DragonSlay: doesn't gnome have a config tool to let you choose the window manager? you could look to see if there is a gconf option you can use too. |
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| 17:49.50 | DragonSlay | somiaj, it says option has been depreciated. |
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| 17:51.29 | DragonSlay | by typing in metacity --replace , i got the old window manager working. |
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| 18:00.19 | jkyle | morning. All non-root users are unable to login via ssh. The auth.log is saying "User foo not allowed because account is locked". Lots of google hits on that one, seems there can be many causes for this, is there a place I can check for a more descriptive log of the problem? |
| 18:00.51 | alteregod | log in with another user |
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| 18:01.18 | jkyle | alteregod: all but root throw this error |
| 18:01.32 | jkyle | their passwd entries are of this format => jkyle:x:1007:100::/home/jkyle:/bin/zsh |
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| 18:01.50 | jkyle | so no !! in the pswd field |
| 18:01.54 | gui113 | jkyle: try "sudo passwd -u <user_name>" when you are logged with an unblocked account |
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| 18:02.03 | alteregod | passwd -u bananauser |
| 18:02.10 | jkyle | yeah, I'll set some pass. |
| 18:03.57 | jkyle | alright, that did it. I'm going to need to modify my deployment scripts. must be something different about how ubuntu and debian create new accounts |
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| 18:06.42 | jkyle | ah, I bet ubuntu lets you log in with an unset pass |
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| 18:11.03 | poincare101 | Hi everyone. When I do `cat * | grep something`, I get a bunch of results from it, but, I don't know which result came from which file, how can I remedy this? |
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| 18:11.11 | acu | Is anyone using BackupPC ? _ I wonder if there one can Search for a specific file which was backed up - Perhaps from the cgi-bin (web interface) which shows a Browse Backup option - but I am looking for search |
| 18:11.11 | greycat | grep something * |
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| 18:12.17 | p3rror | hey do you use ssh tunnel |
| 18:12.22 | p3rror | i have too targets |
| 18:12.35 | p3rror | target1, target2 |
| 18:12.51 | p3rror | target1 is firewalled |
| 18:13.05 | p3rror | so i need to access to target1 via target2 |
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| 18:13.10 | anddam | hello |
| 18:13.15 | greycat | p3rror: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/SshTunnel |
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| 18:20.28 | jkyle | so it looks like in /etc/shadow the user accounts have a '!' in place of a pass. this blocks all login attempts (even using pub/priv key login). if you put a '*' or leave it blank, '::' they can ssh in via pub/priv key |
| 18:20.40 | greycat | That sounds right. |
| 18:21.17 | jkyle | now, trying to figure out diff between * and :: and how to make one or the other the default..or specify on creation |
| 18:21.43 | greycat | A blank field means the account has a null password, and they can login from console just by typing their name. They won't even be prompted for a password. |
| 18:22.03 | jkyle | ah, bad, bad, bad |
| 18:22.09 | greycat | * is a hash that no password can be hashed to, so no password will ever succeed, but it's not a ! so it's not locked. |
| 18:22.30 | jkyle | so '*' is the desired option here. I kind of thought that might be it |
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| 18:22.58 | Sefid_Par | How can I find package list of CD1? |
| 18:23.15 | babilen | !tell Sefid_Par -about cd content |
| 18:23.32 | Sefid_Par | babilen: Thank you. |
| 18:23.36 | babilen | yw |
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| 18:26.12 | jkyle | ah ha, --disabled-password |
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| 18:29.31 | BRICKS1984 | what do i have to do to install flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound on squeeze? |
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| 18:29.42 | Oakland | hey there guys |
| 18:30.01 | Oakland | anyone running google chrome on squeeze? |
| 18:30.08 | KnightsWhoSayNi | on my HP all in one printer, my scanner doesn't seem to be working. maybe i don't know what i am doing, but in the past i have used xsane to scan, but now with simple scan it cant detect my scanner. any ideas on how to get my scanner to work? |
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| 18:30.40 | alazare619_ | anyone have any knowledge how to get mesa 3d working on debian squeeze |
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| 18:30.50 | alteregod | i have to ask sledge hammer |
| 18:31.02 | somiaj | BRICKS1984: flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound is a package in the 'contrib' portion, make sure your sources contain the 'contrib' part then install it like anything else |
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| 18:32.36 | KnightsWhoSayNi | alazare619_: have you installed the debian-firmware package? |
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| 18:32.47 | Oakland | feel free to PM too btw |
| 18:33.00 | dimaursu16 | hello |
| 18:33.07 | alazare619_ | sure havent KnightsWhoSayNi im just getting stated only firmware is that of wich is installed via netinstall by default |
| 18:33.41 | dimaursu16 | guys..what file system are you recommending for Debian from a usb thumb drive? |
| 18:33.47 | alazare619_ | KnightsWhoSayNi, its a stock install other then removing a few things and putting in deluge-daemon deluge-web and x11vnc |
| 18:34.16 | somiaj | dimaursu16: what do you mean? Are you installing a live image on a usb thumbdrive, or using it as your harddrive? |
| 18:35.03 | prooz | What is wrong when i get Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory when i try to send sound through my device as a regular user, but it works fine with root? Yes, the user is in the audio group |
| 18:35.25 | KnightsWhoSayNi | alazare619_: i dont know as if you will be able to use compiz stuff with vnc, i kind of doubt it. |
| 18:35.38 | greycat | Sounds like you're opening the wrong device. |
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| 18:36.03 | prooz | greycat: How does that explain the sound working fine when root? |
| 18:36.04 | dimaursu16 | somiaj : using as hdd |
| 18:36.24 | greycat | Root's opening the correct device. |
| 18:36.38 | greycat | "No such file or directory" means you are trying to open a file that does not exist. |
| 18:36.54 | greycat | If it were a permissions issue you'd get "Operation not permitted" or "Permission denied" |
| 18:37.00 | somiaj | dimaursu16: standard linux file systems should be fine, though with ssd (and probabaly usb flash drives) ext2 if you don't need jourling and turing atime off is useful to extend the life of them. |
| 18:37.01 | BRICKS1984 | somiaj, that didn't help, it keeps telling me: Package flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source |
| 18:37.17 | somiaj | BRICKS1984: did you enable the 'contrib' sources in your sources.list like I said. |
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| 18:37.36 | somiaj | BRICKS1984: also are you using i386 or amd64? |
| 18:37.42 | BRICKS1984 | amd64 |
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| 18:38.04 | somiaj | that is your issue, that package was only made for i386 systems |
| 18:38.18 | prooz | greycat: I see, well it's the right one, because none of the other devices on the card will make sound (or i get an error) |
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| 18:39.17 | greycat | prooz: then be more specific. Tell us exactly what device you are opening, or exactly what command you are typing, etc. |
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| 18:39.54 | prooz | Ok, I'm using speaker-test -c 2 -r 48000 -D hw:1,7 |
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| 18:40.14 | prooz | I'm trying to get audio over hdmi working |
| 18:40.30 | BRICKS1984 | somiaj, so i'll just have to install debian i386 right? |
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| 18:41.11 | somiaj | BRICKS1984: why do you need esound/oss support? |
| 18:41.30 | somiaj | BRICKS1984: but most people will have better luck with i386 unless there is a paticular reason you need an 64bit system |
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| 18:42.41 | greycat | Then, um, whatever is translating hw:1,7 into a /dev/* device node, it's translating it wrong? |
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| 18:42.54 | greycat | I'd strace it, personally, but I don't know if you're familiar with strace. |
| 18:42.55 | BRICKS1984 | somiaj, because my wireless headphones don't work when i try to watch videos on youtube i can hear nothing |
| 18:43.18 | alazare619_ | well im at a wall as how to get installing mesa 3d anyone here with knowledge care to help? |
| 18:43.33 | somiaj | BRICKS1984: what makes you think it is an esound/oss issue, those are old sound systems that are rarely used anymore |
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| 18:43.58 | somiaj | BRICKS1984: you most likely are using ALSA as your sound system unless you set something else up. |
| 18:44.20 | BRICKS1984 | yeah i have ALSA |
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| 18:45.16 | BRICKS1984 | i don't get it though when i watch movies with vlc i can hear the audio perfectly |
| 18:45.19 | somiaj | so if you are ussing alsa, flash has support for that built in, the package you are requesting won't help you out, as it only adds esound/oss support for the few people who are still using those older systems |
| 18:45.58 | somiaj | it is probabaly you have multiple sound devices (is your wireless headset it's own sound device?) and need to tell flash which one to use, or set up the wireless headset as the default |
| 18:46.17 | prooz | greycat: It would be ALSA translating it. I'll try an strace, thanks. |
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| 18:47.57 | BRICKS1984 | somiaj, can i show you a screenshot? |
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| 18:49.22 | somiaj | BRICKS1984: I am not sure it would help me give you any more suggestions, but maybe put the output of 'cat /proc/asound/cards' at paste.debian.net, or explain your setup in more detail |
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| 18:51.10 | BRICKS1984 | somiaj, http://paste.debian.net/153017/ |
| 18:52.17 | somiaj | so the wireless headset should be default. Really I can't guess why flash isn't being nice, and since its non-free it is hard to debug. I can't really help you more than say the package you requested will not fix your issue |
| 18:52.50 | somiaj | BRICKS1984: one thing is some devices don't use dmix well with ALSA (This means one application can access the device at a time) |
| 18:53.06 | somiaj | BRICKS1984: try to close any other application that is using sound, then close and restart your webbrowser, see if that works |
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| 18:53.22 | BRICKS1984 | okay thanks man |
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| 18:54.21 | somiaj | make sure you don't have a custome .asoundrc file that could be messing with things too. |
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| 18:55.53 | greycat | I never understood the rationale behind ~/.asoundrc. Files in your home directory could be accessed on EVERY computer your home dir is mounted onto, whereas hardware configuration should be per-machine. |
| 18:56.21 | greycat | I can only imagine it was someone's brilliant idea for "how to let non-root users configure the audio hardware" |
| 18:57.52 | somiaj | agreed, and the syntax for asoundrc files are fairly bad and hard to find good documentation (one thing is using .asoundrc to set a default device can override the default dmix settings) |
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| 18:58.18 | greycat | Personally I suggest putting your audio HW config in /etc/asound.conf if you need one. |
| 18:58.20 | somiaj | maybe one of these sound revisions a decent sound driver will get figured out...I'm just glad for my sblive and hardware mixing. |
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| 18:58.47 | greycat | I have a sample audio.conf from my previous machine, at http://wooledge.org/~greg/asound.conf |
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| 19:01.03 | greycat | *now* you're not ;-) |
| 19:01.42 | I_am_NOT_root | is the any problem with removing all empty dirs matching "foo*" by executing "rmdir foo*" |
| 19:01.45 | jelly-home | if I were evil, I'd suggest using pulseaudio, but only with a backprot of 1.1 since only that version is reasonably stable |
| 19:02.06 | greycat | I_am_NOT_root: you may get some error messages for non-empty dirs, and non-dirs, but it's safe |
| 19:02.33 | somiaj | if you don't like errors redirect it to /dev/null (: |
| 19:03.07 | I_am_NOT_root | greedo, somiaj: thanks :) |
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| 19:04.28 | Matiasu | Hello! |
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| 19:05.16 | Matiasu | what's the best ebook reader you know for Linux? I have been using Okular but it doesn't have many features I would like to have (like a dictionary since my native language is not English!) |
| 19:06.56 | Xiol | Matiasu: Calibre is cross-platform and has an ebook reader that comes with it. It's great for managing your ebook library, not sure about reading though (get a proper reader!) |
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| 19:07.24 | Matiasu | alright, thanks Xiol, I will try it |
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| 19:15.14 | I_am_NOT_root | Matiasu, I recommend FBReader |
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| 19:16.38 | Matiasu | installing as well, thanks |
| 19:17.35 | frikinz | Hi. What's the procedure to use tmpfs for /tmp ? I thought I was using tmpfs |
| 19:17.51 | somiaj | by default it isn't. |
| 19:18.03 | frikinz | any reason why not? |
| 19:18.51 | somiaj | looks like the way is to set it up in /etc/fstab |
| 19:19.08 | frikinz | ok, normal way then. thanks somiaj |
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| 19:19.52 | somiaj | frikinz: I think it is more sane to not assume someone wants /tmp being used with tmpfs, and then let those who want to add it. |
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| 19:21.38 | Matiasu | Xiol, as far as I see it's not possible to read directly from calibre |
| 19:22.17 | frikinz | man rcS gives some info |
| 19:22.48 | greycat | oh, nifty. didn't know there was an rcS(5) page |
| 19:22.50 | somiaj | frikinz: yea I found that from the old /etc/default/tmpfs but that is more for things you need mounted before fstab or setting size restrictions, I don't think /tmp needs this. |
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| 19:25.40 | frikinz | maybe avoiding to fill your ram with say, a movie? :) |
| 19:25.50 | frikinz | HD |
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| 19:27.12 | frikinz | ok I'll see, my idea was for increasing performance |
| 19:27.24 | frikinz | I have so much ram and using so few |
| 19:27.48 | greycat | It could conceivably help performance in some situations, but probably not by a lot. |
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| 19:28.15 | somiaj | yea I don't see it being a major preformance increase, I don't know manythings in which reading/writting to /tmp is the bottle neck. |
| 19:28.23 | greycat | A lot of the time, a temporary file is created, written to, read from, and unlinked all in memory without ever flushing to disk, simply because it's so short-lived. |
| 19:29.39 | nathwill | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:34.36 | frikinz | I remember when flash crap was puting its file in /tmp. it was practical when you wanted to save the stream :) just wait and then cp |
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| 19:35.15 | motafoca | guys. im running apache2 inside a chroot on my debian box, im not using selinux but the apache cant seem to get to connect externaly on my webservice, when i do su www-date and try to ping i get "socket: permission denied", were can i give permissions? i tried adding www-data to almost all the groups, nothing... |
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| 19:35.54 | greycat | wonders what just happened |
| 19:36.09 | Motafoca | guys. im running apache2 inside a chroot on my debian box, im not using selinux but the apache cant seem to get to connect externaly on my webservice, when i do su www-date and try to ping i get "socket: permission denied", were can i give permissions? i tried adding www-data to almost all the groups, nothing... |
| 19:36.43 | marienz | Motafoca: please don't ask the same question in all the channels at exactly the same time with exactly the same wording, our spambot can't distinguish it from spam |
| 19:36.49 | marienz | err, antispambot |
| 19:36.50 | greycat | I have *no* idea how you can get permission denied from an attempt to ping. Operation not permitted, maybe. |
| 19:37.45 | Motafoca | marienz: sorry |
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| 19:38.01 | nathwill | greycat: not sure about the specifics, but some systems won't let non-root users open raw sockets |
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| 19:38.20 | marienz | nathwill: good point (ping is suid) |
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| 19:42.31 | I_am_NOT_root | how do I convert jpg to tiff? |
| 19:42.50 | fir31ight | you have to be root |
| 19:43.00 | fir31ight | laughs |
| 19:43.17 | babilen | I_am_NOT_root: imagemagic |
| 19:43.26 | koeien | convert (see imagemagik) |
| 19:43.32 | I_am_NOT_root | babilen, you know the line? |
| 19:43.36 | greycat | (and no, you don't have to be root) |
| 19:43.43 | babilen | I_am_NOT_root: "man imagemagic" |
| 19:43.46 | greycat | I_am_NOT_root: install imagemagick; man convert |
| 19:43.46 | Hydroxide | actually, it's imagemagick, not either imagemagic or imagemagik |
| 19:43.56 | koeien | right |
| 19:43.57 | babilen | err, imagemagick that is :)( |
| 19:44.13 | I_am_NOT_root | the manpage of convert does not contain "tiff" |
| 19:44.22 | babilen | Hydroxide: Yeah, thanks for catching it a tad earlier than I :) |
| 19:45.01 | koeien | convert -list format |
| 19:45.03 | Hydroxide | np |
| 19:45.22 | I_am_NOT_root | koeien, thanks |
| 19:46.01 | greycat | The man pages for the imagemagick tools are *VERY* incomplete. They only cover about 5% of the features. |
| 19:46.12 | babilen | I_am_NOT_root: "convert foo.jpg foo.tiff" would be a start. |
| 19:46.12 | simonlnu | convert foo.jpg foo.tiff ; wow, so hard |
| 19:46.40 | simonlnu | fir31ight: hehe, silly =) |
| 19:46.56 | Moebius | question. |
| 19:47.03 | simonlnu | answer. |
| 19:47.06 | greycat | No, it isn't. |
| 19:47.12 | babilen | yes |
| 19:47.40 | I_am_NOT_root | simonlnu, that line is too simple to get by intuition |
| 19:47.45 | Moebius | i've changed CRT monitor to LCD. Now it flickers a bit on session startup and also i can see some video playback disturbance somewhere in the middle of screen, not always, i guess depending on bitmap pattern or something.. |
| 19:47.50 | simonlnu | I_am_NOT_root: heh |
| 19:47.54 | Moebius | now... it's time for an answer :) |
| 19:48.17 | simonlnu | Moebius: that's a statement, not a question :P |
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| 19:48.20 | babilen | still doesn't see a question |
| 19:48.23 | babilen | runs |
| 19:48.30 | Moebius | simonlnu, ok, WHY does it do it. Is that any better? |
| 19:48.37 | simonlnu | (heh heh heh) |
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| 19:49.21 | simonlnu | we're being pedantic silly people. i'm sorry i don't have a clue, i don't use lcds much. |
| 19:49.38 | Moebius | so.. i guess Debian or even whole linux stuff forces me to use my old CRT monitor this time. I never thought that changing monitor would be any troublesome. |
| 19:49.43 | innociv | http://www.spencerstirling.com/computergeek/mysqluser.html I'm following this guide and confused at the "Now edit the two files " part. Edit them how?... |
| 19:49.47 | innociv | It doesn't say what to do |
| 19:49.53 | simonlnu | the lcd we do have is ancient and probably not very relevant |
| 19:49.57 | Moebius | but i guess whatever you change reflects on your OS. |
| 19:50.08 | Moebius | mine is Acer AL1914 |
| 19:50.20 | simonlnu | *whoosh* over my head |
| 19:50.23 | innociv | Especially when below that it says "Now be careful here. Be VERY careful. You might lock yourself out of your machine (and if the machine is remote, maybe until you can fly there."... =| |
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| 19:51.06 | simonlnu | Moebius: the flicking might be due to resolution adjustments x is doing, or your monitor is doing. |
| 19:51.08 | Moebius | ok.. the answer is "get your old monitor back" i guess. |
| 19:51.14 | simonlnu | Moebius: flickering even |
| 19:51.16 | Moebius | no, not the monitor. On Windows it's ok. |
| 19:51.19 | Moebius | as usual. |
| 19:51.26 | Moebius | on windows all fine, only on Debian something sucks :) |
| 19:51.46 | simonlnu | i'd say that was a rather minor issue. do you happen to have an xorg.conf? |
| 19:51.49 | Moebius | that's the reason i keep windows still, to find out if something works THERE while something doesn't on Debian/linux. |
| 19:51.50 | acu | hey guys - is Samba 4.0 going to be available in Wheezy ? |
| 19:51.56 | Moebius | simonlnu, sure. |
| 19:52.01 | gele | Moebius: Just copy the monitor settings that Windows uses? |
| 19:52.03 | Moebius | but i have no clue what to change there. |
| 19:52.07 | Moebius | gele, pha... |
| 19:52.16 | Moebius | gele, you can do better than that man.... HOW? |
| 19:52.27 | simonlnu | Moebius: does it have a monitor and screen entry? |
| 19:52.37 | Moebius | simonlnu, i guess so. Hang on, let me see. |
| 19:52.43 | gele | Moebius: I don't know, I don't know where Windows keeps its monitor settings. |
| 19:52.45 | Moebius | i was there when i was setting up plymouth. |
| 19:53.03 | Moebius | gele, ah.. you're getting better dude :) |
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| 19:53.47 | simonlnu | would stay away from plymouth but has a bad history with it |
| 19:53.54 | Moebius | simonlnu, i had no probs with it, really. |
| 19:54.00 | Moebius | i just set it up nicely and that's it. |
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| 19:55.45 | innociv | Can anyone take a look? http://www.spencerstirling.com/computergeek/mysqluser.html I'm following this guide and confused at the "Now edit the two files " part. Edit them how?... |
| 19:56.14 | simonlnu | with a text editor? |
| 19:57.13 | Moebius | http://pastebin.com/MB61tNs5 |
| 19:57.15 | Moebius | there ya go. |
| 19:57.24 | Moebius | maybe you're right, there's a section where it still says "CRT" |
| 19:57.29 | Moebius | maybe i gotta change all that stuff somehow. |
| 19:57.43 | simonlnu | Moebius: thing is with lcds is that they operate within stricter resolutions than crts (generally, i don't know specifics), so x might be adjusting itself to what the monitor is telling it via edid. |
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| 19:58.00 | Moebius | simonlnu, most likely. |
| 19:58.06 | Moebius | does that mean i can't use LCD with linux or what? |
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| 19:58.29 | babilen | Moebius: You could try to remove your xorg.conf completely and see how Xorg configures itself automagically. |
| 19:58.40 | simonlnu | Moebius: that's more names than actual settings that would matter to that flcikering |
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| 19:58.59 | simonlnu | Moebius: you can, you just gotta be more choosy or let x figure it out |
| 19:59.02 | Moebius | babilen, erm.. are you sure about that?.. cause i might end up in console.. of course, i can bring it back, but still.. that's itchy... |
| 19:59.03 | babilen | Moebius: I would guess that your Monitor settings in there are not correct. Are they, mayhaps, the settings for your old monitor? |
| 19:59.06 | innociv | simonlnu, fine I'll word it another way |
| 19:59.09 | innociv | Edit them in what way? |
| 19:59.12 | greycat | That whole "remove xorg.conf and let it guess" thing never seems to work for me in practice. |
| 19:59.22 | Moebius | babilen, yep, apparently they are. |
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| 19:59.30 | simonlnu | innociv: open them with a text editor, and make changes to suit your set up. |
| 19:59.45 | Moebius | babilen, at least seeing CRT there makes me think that ain't quite what it is at the moment. |
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| 20:00.01 | babilen | Moebius: Just copy it somewhere else. Xorg mostly configures itself automatically nowadays and there is no need whatsoever for a xorg.conf. If you need to set specific settings you can do that in a device specific section in one file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
| 20:00.18 | simonlnu | Moebius: commenting those out and letting the rest be there can be done too |
| 20:00.34 | Moebius | babilen, hm.. ok, good suggestion. Actually that's exactly what i was gonna do. I'll just move it elsewhere and if anything bad i'll just put it back. |
| 20:00.49 | Moebius | simonlnu, i think i'll just remove it. And see what happens. |
| 20:00.51 | simonlnu | i'd try what babilen said first, and if it doesn't work out very well, you can comment them out |
| 20:00.53 | innociv | Wtf |
| 20:00.58 | innociv | Why does this tell me to do.. |
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| 20:01.01 | greycat | in what? what on earth is a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and why don't I have one? |
| 20:01.05 | innociv | " identified by 'ieopurASDF';" |
| 20:01.11 | innociv | Instead of putting in my own.. :| |
| 20:01.21 | Moebius | babilen, one more thing.. those settings can be imported by ATI control settings or the driver, i dunno.. so basically i change nothing doing that... |
| 20:01.31 | greycat | innociv: that is setting a password on a user in a MySQL database. If you are a MySQL database admin, you're expected to know this stuff... |
| 20:01.32 | Moebius | i'm not sure, just assuming. |
| 20:01.46 | innociv | Yeah but I didn't even notice until after it's done. |
| 20:01.46 | simonlnu | innociv: it's still loading, moment |
| 20:01.51 | innociv | But I can update it now |
| 20:02.17 | babilen | Moebius: I would try without, but you need configuration for your fglrx setup. Either create a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ named 20-fglrx.conf with http://paste.debian.net/153022/ err remove everything else from your xorg.conf |
| 20:02.26 | greycat | again... in *what*? |
| 20:02.40 | simonlnu | it's a directory, greycat |
| 20:02.50 | greycat | Am I supposed to make it by hand? |
| 20:02.54 | simonlnu | x now reads stuff in there |
| 20:02.57 | Moebius | hmm.... |
| 20:02.59 | greycat | Or is this a post-squeeze thing? |
| 20:02.59 | simonlnu | yeh |
| 20:03.01 | Moebius | ok, thanks. Let me try it.... |
| 20:03.08 | simonlnu | squeeze and up |
| 20:03.10 | Moebius | so... first step is to remove xorg.conf. |
| 20:03.15 | Moebius | and see what happens. |
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| 20:03.29 | Moebius | then i might have to run aticonfig --initial?.. |
| 20:03.38 | Moebius | and also create that thing in xorg.conf.d |
| 20:04.01 | engla_ | what's the best way to remap mouse buttons to keys (because keys can be bound to actions in most applications, like window managers). It's about strange buttons such as 10 and 11 |
| 20:04.21 | simonlnu | innociv: "now edit the two files" means edit the following two files below the statement |
| 20:04.33 | simonlnu | /etc/nss-mysql.conf |
| 20:04.33 | simonlnu | /etc/nss-mysql-root.conf |
| 20:04.34 | innociv | Yeah I had to set the db password in there is all I guess. |
| 20:04.42 | greycat | oh dear lord. |
| 20:04.48 | innociv | It was just not completely clear if that's all I had to change. :| |
| 20:04.57 | innociv | And it's scary, because this is user auth stuff. |
| 20:04.59 | greycat | The notion of using MySQL to hold system authentication data is just *so* wrong. |
| 20:05.03 | simonlnu | innociv: and make sure the permissions are right. you don't want just anyone being able to read those |
| 20:05.04 | babilen | !tell greycat -about xorg.conf.d |
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| 20:05.13 | innociv | greycat, why if it just holds low auth users? |
| 20:05.15 | simonlnu | greycat: i know, i'm withholding commentary ;) |
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| 20:06.35 | innociv | Yeah I did chmod600 on the root one... |
| 20:06.39 | simonlnu | innociv: you might consider using something that's designed for authz/authn like ldap instead |
| 20:07.14 | innociv | I figured I already have mysql installed. And even if they access those users, those users are chrooted to a directory. |
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| 20:07.57 | Glorf | hi here |
| 20:08.11 | innociv | But you're right and I'll probably switch over to LDAP for this in the near future. |
| 20:08.16 | greycat | Also, I would be extremely reluctant to advise anyone who is stumped by "now edit these two files" to mess around with the fundamental authentication subsystems. |
| 20:08.27 | Glorf | i'm some performances issues in wheezy ... They started a few hours ago |
| 20:08.49 | SuperNull | Hey guys, anyone know of a layer2/3 tunneling protocol that has the ability to report packet loss over the tunnel ? |
| 20:09.01 | innociv | ... I know how to nano/vi. I just wasn't sure that all I needed to do was set the db password to match for the two users. |
| 20:09.04 | innociv | As there is a lot in there. |
| 20:09.23 | prooz | greycat: Will /etc/asound.conf be sufficient for defining default audio device? |
| 20:09.31 | innociv | And I'm just trying to be sure since I don't want to be locked out of ssh. |
| 20:09.42 | greycat | It was for me, on my previous system (which had a motherboard sound chipset and an add-on sound card). |
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| 20:11.44 | prooz | greycat: Because on my system, /etc/asound.conf differs from ~/.asoundrc |
| 20:11.44 | Glorf | at first it just freezed for a few secs, but two or three times it was completely frozen, so i had to reboot it manually. First reboot going to recovery mode, waited 11min before the prompt for root password ... I did a update-initramfs -u && grub-update (because i saw it took very long to load the ramdisk), rebooted. But same problem again ... I'm on the same computer but a stable squeeze this time and i don't have any freeze probl |
| 20:11.45 | Glorf | ems ... My system is up to date but there's no recent xorg/kernel upgrade, i'm pretty sure of that |
| 20:12.09 | prooz | greycat: If root has .asoundrc, will it use /etc/asound.conf if .asoundrc is bogus ? |
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| 20:13.15 | prooz | Not bogus, rather: incorrect |
| 20:13.16 | greycat | I would never create a /root/.asoundrc file |
| 20:13.27 | Glorf | so if anyone have any idea or the same problem, please say |
| 20:13.29 | greycat | I would also never attempt to play sounds as root unless it's just for testing purposes. |
| 20:14.04 | prooz | That's not my intention either... strictly testing purposes |
| 20:14.20 | prooz | That's how i initially came over the problem |
| 20:14.37 | prooz | Err.. badly formulated |
| 20:14.38 | simonlnu | Glorf: kern.log, syslog, start looking at the time where the lock up and stalls happened |
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| 20:15.13 | Moebius | ok, done. |
| 20:15.17 | Moebius | CRT line has dissappeard. |
| 20:15.24 | Moebius | it has recreated xorg without that thing., |
| 20:15.32 | Moebius | but something tells me that nothing's changed actually. |
| 20:15.47 | Moebius | let me check some movie.. |
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| 20:16.28 | Moebius | nope... same distortion in the movies. Well.. it's not that frequent, but it's kinda notieceable... |
| 20:16.31 | Moebius | noticeable* |
| 20:16.38 | Moebius | so nothing's changed. |
| 20:16.41 | Glorf | (i saw 10+ load average with htop too, just after the freeze) simonlnu : ok, thanks |
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| 20:17.37 | Moebius | Option "ModelName" "Generic Autodetecting Monitor" |
| 20:17.39 | Moebius | that's what it says now. |
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| 20:19.23 | babilen | Moebius: You are running *without* a /etc/X11/xorg.conf now, but with a suitable fglrx configuration in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ? |
| 20:19.54 | babilen | Moebius: I would also recommend to try not using fglrx, but the radeon driver. See "/msg dpkg radeon" for details on how to enable hw acceleration. |
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| 20:20.25 | Moebius | babilen, not really.. i haven't done anything in xorg.conf.d yet.. i just deleted xorg.conf, it has recreated it with new parameters that though didn't do much, and also i ran aticonfig --initial to restore resolution, cause it was low and everything was slow. |
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| 20:20.36 | Moebius | so you think creating something in xorg.conf.d might help? |
| 20:20.42 | Silent | Good day. |
| 20:21.09 | Moebius | babilen, ok, what about brightness/contrast adjustment in players? Does radeon driver do that? |
| 20:21.40 | Glorf | so, i found in kern.log "ACPI Warning: For \_PR_.P004._PSS: SubPackage[1,2] - suspicious power dissipation values (20110623/nsrepair2-588)" but i don't think it's linked |
| 20:21.52 | babilen | Moebius: nfc, never had a problem with that. |
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| 20:22.11 | Moebius | babilen, hm... what about compiz? Does it work with only radeon one:? |
| 20:22.12 | Glorf | but i have a segfault : " 3875.093920] gnome-shell[2235]: segfault at 90 ip 00007fc6a4222c88 sp 00007fff4db06640 error 4 in libcogl.so.5.0.1[7fc6a41ec000+75000]" |
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| 20:22.20 | Moebius | babilen, not that i need it so bad, just curious. |
| 20:22.32 | jordanm | !tell Glorf about bts |
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| 20:23.27 | babilen | Moebius: I merely suggest to try the default configuration, which doesn't use any xorg.conf at all. (also no aticonfig (which created the xorg.conf if I am not mistaken)) -- As you use fglrx you need to configure Xorg with a suitable configuration file. The one I pasted should be all you need. |
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| 20:23.40 | Moebius | babilen, i guess that's true. |
| 20:23.51 | Moebius | ok... i'll try that... thanks |
| 20:24.01 | babilen | Moebius: compiz should work, but compiz really is something that I have no interest in :) |
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| 20:24.23 | babilen | Moebius: It boils down to testing several things to find the actual problem. |
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| 20:24.28 | Moebius | babilen , i understand, it's just eyecandy. But yet it has something to show the whole video capacity. That's why i asked that. |
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| 20:24.54 | linuxguy101 | what is a working editor you can use that is not black on black letters like the default ver of vi is on debian?? |
| 20:25.06 | Moebius | babilen, i'm just a bit afraid of deleting fglrx completely now.. cause i ended up in console a few times... |
| 20:25.15 | babilen | Sure -- it *should* work with radeon (if 3d acceleration is enabled) -- I would therefore try fglrx without a xorg.conf, then radeon (make sure to purge fglrx packages first, then ... |
| 20:25.18 | gele | i don't think compiz is just eyecandy. it has lots of useful things that other window managers do not, especially the default gnome ones. |
| 20:25.27 | babilen | gele: agreed |
| 20:25.30 | gele | can't run it on this computer though, because of the eyecandy... |
| 20:25.30 | Moebius | gele, true. |
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| 20:26.17 | Moebius | gele, but it brings issues too. I had tray prob with it while running stuff in Wine (i do use it, and using no compositing managers makes it just perfect), but compiz and even metacity spoil things up a bit. |
| 20:26.23 | Moebius | they have something nasty. |
| 20:26.44 | Moebius | so yeah, both of them have tray and fullscreen mode issues. |
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| 20:27.18 | Moebius | babilen, just one more question... what's the difference between radeon driver and ATI proprietary one? Why does the latter even exist then? |
| 20:27.46 | Moebius | if radeon alone can do all? |
| 20:27.56 | babilen | Moebius: Well, one is the free (open-source) driver and the other the proprietary one from AMD/ATI |
| 20:28.11 | p01s0nb1t | linuxguy101: the default vi in debian is not "black on black", anyway you can change everything (terminal defaults, editor colors, etc) |
| 20:28.12 | simonlnu | one's foss, one not. one does 2d better (the foss one), one supports newer devices |
| 20:28.26 | gele | this is odd. with debugging turned on, it seems that the source of all the cpu carnage in duplicity is that it compares deleted files to the old backed up ones, and each such comparison takes at least half a second... that doesn't seem very clever. |
| 20:28.31 | p01s0nb1t | linuxguy101: if you don't like vi, there is nano in the default install and lot of other editors in apt-cache search |
| 20:28.34 | Moebius | babilen, i know, but what's the reason to port non-free driver for linux if it's already got free one that works? That's what i'm asking.. why do people use it? |
| 20:28.38 | Silent | Hey guys |
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| 20:28.49 | simonlnu | and i mean very new devices, not slightly older ones. the foss one supports pretty recent ones too |
| 20:28.51 | Glorf | jordanm : i know bts but i don't know in which packages i have to search ... there's one bug in libcogl5 about GS crash, but not system-wide freeze, and i don't have the same symptoms ... |
| 20:29.10 | Silent | Is it possible to have Debian cofigured on a Live USB to save changes after reboot? |
| 20:29.22 | Silent | I want it to load to RAM and save changes to a file at shutdown. |
| 20:29.30 | Glorf | simonlnu, http://pastebin.com/LrHRUhVp the only thing i found in my kern.log, nothing in syslog |
| 20:30.13 | babilen | Moebius: I would also very much prefer if AMD would just work together with the Xorg team to develop their drivers. But they decided to develop their own. Given that they know the complete specification of the devices they have/are going to release(d) the proprietary one might be somewhat "better" |
| 20:30.25 | p01s0nb1t | Silent: yes, it's documented in the debian-live manual (look for "persistence") |
| 20:30.34 | Moebius | babilen, by the way.... when i deleted xorg.conf and logged on i didn't have the proper resolution for my monitor. I suppose that WAS radeon driver alone that i used? I already know why it was slow - hardware acceleration missing. But what about resolution?.. |
| 20:30.38 | babilen | Moebius: I doubt that as I've seen proprietary code before ... |
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| 20:30.44 | Silent | I see. |
| 20:30.49 | Silent | I've heard of that |
| 20:31.02 | Silent | So it's done with the regular live CD image, right? |
| 20:31.04 | simonlnu | Glorf: seems like you're having a lot of segfaults. bad disk? bad ram? wrong kernel for your box? |
| 20:31.11 | babilen | Moebius: Just deleting the xorg.conf and *not* purging fglrx/rebooting will *not* work as radeon and fglrx are not compatible. |
| 20:31.25 | Moebius | babilen, hm.. |
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| 20:31.33 | Moebius | babilen, i see. Ok then.. let me try it. |
| 20:31.35 | p01s0nb1t | Silent: yes, it's done partitioning the USB and using boot parameters |
| 20:31.39 | babilen | Moebius: Which is why I noted that you *have* to create a minimal configuration file that tells Xorg to use fglrx. |
| 20:31.43 | Moebius | crosses his fingers |
| 20:31.43 | Silent | Cool. |
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| 20:31.49 | Silent | How big is the live CD? |
| 20:31.51 | Moebius | babilen, right. |
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| 20:32.14 | Moebius | babilen, i think it's enough to do "aticonfig --initial" for that. It recreates it that way. |
| 20:32.31 | babilen | Moebius: No, that will do too much. Forget aticonfig |
| 20:32.35 | p01s0nb1t | Silent: depend on the packages choosed, arch, etc... look up in http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/ |
| 20:32.40 | Moebius | babilen, hm, really?.. |
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| 20:32.43 | Silent | Thank you. |
| 20:32.46 | Glorf | simonlnu, i'm using the system for a few month now ... i've a 64-bit compliant proc and a 64-bit version of debian. i used smartctl to test my disk (short & long test) but he founded nothing. The transfert rate with hdparm are pretty usual and since i'm using the same computer i suppose there's no problem with the ram |
| 20:32.49 | Moebius | babilen, ok them let me try fiddling with the second phase then... |
| 20:32.51 | babilen | Moebius: We are testing things -- Please test it. |
| 20:33.00 | Owner | i love running strings on my swap partition |
| 20:33.03 | Moebius | babilen, if that doesn't work then i'll purge fglrx. |
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| 20:33.11 | Moebius | babilen, that's what i'm doing too. |
| 20:33.14 | babilen | Moebius: Just create the file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ that I pasted earlier, remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf and see if that makes a difference. |
| 20:33.21 | simonlnu | Glorf: memtest86 to test your ram, or compile something for a quick test |
| 20:33.26 | Moebius | babilen, roger that. |
| 20:33.32 | babilen | Moebius: I'll be back in a few minutes. |
| 20:33.38 | Moebius | babilen, alrighty. |
| 20:33.56 | simonlnu | we still don't know where he disappears to ;p |
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| 20:34.34 | Owner | why isnt there a prime95 for linux |
| 20:34.50 | Owner | thats the best way to test cpu/memory....so fast to find problems |
| 20:34.56 | Owner | even l2/l1 cache |
| 20:35.02 | prooz | greycat: Have you got a minute to look at my strace for speaker-test? It didn't really tell me much.. |
| 20:35.03 | simonlnu | write one? |
| 20:35.27 | greycat | prooz: did it tell you what device it was attempting to open at the moment you got the "No such file or directory" error? |
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| 20:36.02 | Owner | wait its called mprime on linux :) |
| 20:36.26 | prooz | greycat: Not exactly.. i got a lot of No such file or directory |
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| 20:37.48 | prooz | padawan--: Stop spamming |
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| 20:38.07 | padawan-- | prooz: ok |
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| 20:38.18 | padawan-- | prooz: why does it bother you? |
| 20:38.22 | Owner | yeah i found it |
| 20:38.29 | Owner | http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft/#newusers |
| 20:38.39 | padawan-- | prooz: you are being such an idiot when you bother with small things. |
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| 20:39.06 | padawan-- | prooz: you should figure it out. in a few years you will be rotting in a casket. consider advantaging your life better. |
| 20:39.08 | prooz | padawan--: I'm sorry... what?! |
| 20:39.37 | Owner | no one ever said a man could teach himself to fish! |
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| 20:40.02 | greycat | padawan--: prove that you are not a spam bot, or be kicked. |
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| 20:40.16 | padawan-- | greycat: haha. |
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| 20:40.21 | padawan-- | greycat: how could i be a spam bot? |
| 20:40.24 | padawan-- | its a bit odd. |
| 20:40.27 | padawan-- | i am a person actually. |
| 20:40.37 | padawan-- | anyways. kick me if you feel like. |
| 20:40.40 | padawan-- | you will be unfair. |
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| 20:40.57 | simonlnu | here i am playing my tiny violin |
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| 20:41.10 | prooz | Heheh. |
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| 20:41.29 | simonlnu | and yeh, he is spamming |
| 20:41.41 | simonlnu | s,is,was, |
| 20:41.58 | greycat | Aye, after my first message addressed to him, he spammed me a 3-line link to another channel. |
| 20:42.09 | greycat | And all his responses, while pretty well selected, are obviously canned. |
| 20:42.09 | Moebius | babilen, back |
| 20:42.10 | simonlnu | same |
| 20:42.31 | simonlnu | and he still is |
| 20:42.54 | Owner | he pm'd me and invited me to calculus |
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| 20:42.57 | Moebius | babilen, this time i didn't have to run anything yes. It went ok right away, resolution is fine. But i think the prob is still there... |
| 20:43.00 | Moebius | let me check the movie.. |
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| 20:43.08 | Owner | because my nick sounds like im fond of 'maths' ok.... |
| 20:44.21 | Moebius | yeah.. right. It's still there. |
| 20:44.25 | p01s0nb1t | Owner: I was invited yesterday, you get invited when you use the nick to say something in a chanel |
| 20:44.40 | p01s0nb1t | yesterday was with other nicks |
| 20:45.08 | p01s0nb1t | user5000 if I remember ok |
| 20:45.11 | Owner | hrm i didnt 'use the nick to say things in a chanel' |
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| 20:46.01 | p01s0nb1t | oh, so maybe just he pick from people talking |
| 20:46.13 | babilen | Moebius: Ok -- That fglrx is *much* cleaner than what you had before. I would now recommend to test fglrx vs radeon. |
| 20:46.15 | simonlnu | yeh, i didn't address 'him' at all |
| 20:46.26 | p01s0nb1t | :) |
| 20:46.39 | p01s0nb1t | 'it' |
| 20:47.25 | Moebius | babilen, you mean.. purging fglrx now? |
| 20:47.51 | babilen | indeed |
| 20:47.57 | Moebius | alrighty. |
| 20:47.59 | Moebius | let's see.. |
| 20:48.11 | simonlnu | anyway, thanks greycat for taking care of that |
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| 20:48.30 | Moebius | babilen, i hope i won't end up in a console this time. |
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| 20:48.42 | Moebius | babilen, it probably happened before cause xorg.conf was still there. |
| 20:48.46 | Moebius | babilen, now it's not. |
| 20:48.51 | Moebius | babilen, am i right? |
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| 20:49.01 | Owner | Owner: quit being so awesome |
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| 20:49.22 | Glorf | (re) |
| 20:49.31 | simonlnu | 'tastygirl'? with an ident of Me? spam bot, i can smell it. |
| 20:49.37 | Owner | i want |
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| 20:49.55 | Owner | tastygirl| hi! |
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| 20:50.08 | Owner | tasty_girl| hi hi! |
| 20:50.23 | Glorf | simonlnu, well i compiled xchat and it run fine ... i'm using the compiled version right now |
| 20:50.29 | Moebius | ok... let's get it on... |
| 20:50.35 | Moebius | Jolly goooooooood...... |
| 20:50.48 | simonlnu | Glorf: ok. so it might be the kernel, like you suspected |
| 20:50.49 | Glorf | (i'm not on the broken system thought) |
| 20:51.20 | simonlnu | Glorf: what was that other kernel's version? |
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| 20:51.24 | Glorf | i dunno how to see if there's recent update, but i don't remind upgrading my kernel for a while and i searched snapshot-debian |
| 20:51.38 | Owner | the tastygirl is a lie! |
| 20:52.45 | p01s0nb1t | Glorf: maybe /var/log (apt,dpkg, aptitude) may have info about recent updates |
| 20:52.56 | Glorf | it's running on 3.1.1(the wheezy last kernel)-amd64 |
| 20:53.16 | Glorf | i searched snapshot-debian and didn't found any recent update from the kernel, but i'm looking in /var/log |
| 20:53.20 | prooz | greycat: Would you mind taking a look? http://pastebin.com/Ag4RgR1X |
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| 20:54.50 | Glorf | well, i updated linux-header the 16 |
| 20:54.51 | greycat | prooz: 167. open("/dev/snd/controlC0", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) |
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| 20:55.16 | greycat | prooz: on my system, crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 7 Jan 15 19:44 /dev/snd/controlC0 |
| 20:55.30 | greycat | So, you are not in the audio group. Or that file has the wrong perms on your box. |
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| 20:56.04 | Glorf | and linux-libc6 the 16 too. linux-utils the 20 (today) but after the first freeze so i think it's not linked |
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| 20:57.03 | Glorf | ah yes, linux-image the 16 too : installed linux-image-3.1.0-1-amd64 3.1.8-2 |
| 20:57.10 | Glorf | but i've rebooted a few times since ... |
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| 20:59.07 | rly | I have an old IDE device connected via an USD device. Is there a way I can copy the entire IDE device including its partitions to another disk/volume/whatever? |
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| 20:59.23 | rly | USB device* |
| 20:59.47 | valdyn | rly: cp /dev/sdx file.img |
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| 21:00.10 | rly | valdyn: ok, and then what I can do with file.img? |
| 21:00.17 | valdyn | rly: anything |
| 21:00.31 | rly | valdyn: I just want to make it available as an actual file system, etc. |
| 21:00.33 | Moebius | babilen, alright man, it went even worse than console. And actually i've had that before. Now it just gets stuck in some cycle while flickering. |
| 21:00.49 | Moebius | babilen, window manager is not loading. |
| 21:00.51 | rly | valdyn: and I think I cannot mount file.img in any meaningful way, such that I can also write to it, etc. |
| 21:00.53 | valdyn | rly: theres a little tool that will make available device nodes for the partitions |
| 21:01.03 | valdyn | rly: sure you can |
| 21:01.17 | Moebius | babilen, i've seen that before. Usually happens after deletion of fglrx... i think i must've made some other changes as well before doing that. |
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| 21:01.21 | Moebius | babilen, i'm on windows now. |
| 21:01.29 | rly | valdyn: well, _I_ don't do this kind of disaster recovery every day, so _I_ don't know how; that's why I am asking. |
| 21:01.39 | valdyn | rly: a block device is what /dev/sda is. A file has the same relevant access methods |
| 21:01.57 | rly | valdyn: so, I can mount it. |
| 21:02.17 | rly | valdyn: but I then cannot write to it, can I? |
| 21:02.23 | valdyn | rly: you cant mount sda, so you cant mount file.img. But you can mount the partitions on that file |
| 21:02.39 | valdyn | rly: you can use it like any regular disk |
| 21:02.40 | Moebius | damn.. where's babilen?.. |
| 21:02.43 | gele | rly: you can write to it as long as the file itself is writable. |
| 21:02.49 | rly | valdyn: ok, very nice. |
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| 21:03.14 | valdyn | rly: i forgot the name of that "little tool" i mentioned, but its there |
| 21:03.32 | rly | Does anyone else know the name of that little tool? |
| 21:04.02 | valdyn | obviously one can use mount -o offset=foo, but thats not what i mean |
| 21:04.35 | gele | the long way round would be to start qemu with the disk image as an extra disk, then export the partitions from qemu over nfs. =) |
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| 21:04.45 | valdyn | ok thats even more convoluted |
| 21:04.50 | rly | valdyn: do I need to cp /dev/sda1 or /dev/sda? |
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| 21:04.58 | rly | valdyn: one is the partition, the other is the whole device. |
| 21:05.22 | valdyn | rly: yes, copy whatever you want |
| 21:05.57 | rly | valdyn: well, I want 'everything'. How is this thing called? mounting an image file? |
| 21:06.20 | valdyn | rly: you are only claiming that you want everything. Maybe youre best served by just grabbing that partition though |
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| 21:07.00 | p01s0nb1t | I've done some backups using "mbr img + individual partitions imgs" |
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| 21:07.26 | p01s0nb1t | well no, it was mbr img + tar files of each partition |
| 21:08.14 | rly | valdyn: do I need to compute offsets if I use partitions? |
| 21:08.24 | rly | valdyn: so one img file per partition. |
| 21:08.34 | valdyn | rly: no, theres a little tool that does that for you and that creates device nodes |
| 21:08.43 | valdyn | rly: ( didnt I already say that? ) |
| 21:08.45 | rly | This guy described one approach (based on the hack you described). http://www.andremiller.net/content/mounting-hard-disk-image-including-partitions-using-linux |
| 21:08.51 | rly | valdyn: yes, you did. |
| 21:09.00 | valdyn | rly: both works, one is easier |
| 21:09.09 | rly | valdyn: testdisk? |
| 21:09.20 | rly | valdyn: that's one tool that is recommended in the comments. |
| 21:09.39 | valdyn | rly: i dont know if testdisk can do that |
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| 21:10.07 | Moebius | babilen, i'm back |
| 21:10.09 | rly | valdyn: kpartx? |
| 21:10.17 | valdyn | rly: yea! I found it too, just now |
| 21:10.22 | Moebius | babilen, and i'm on windows. Do you know what that implies? |
| 21:10.41 | valdyn | rly: but then again, you only really just want the partition maybe so you image that and dont need kpartx |
| 21:10.57 | rly | valdyn: I want all partitions and the disk was pretty full anyway. |
| 21:11.09 | babilen | Moebius: That you didn't remove/move you /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf before the reboot? |
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| 21:11.27 | valdyn | rly: ok, in that case grabbing the whole disk combined with kpartx is probably one efficient way |
| 21:11.31 | rly | valdyn: ok, so I do cp /dev/sda somefile.img and I use that tool and it is done. |
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| 21:11.44 | valdyn | rly: whats "done" ? |
| 21:11.58 | Moebius | shit |
| 21:12.00 | rly | valdyn: done is a state in which I have access to all the data on the new device again. |
| 21:12.04 | Moebius | babilen, you're right. But you DIDN'T TELL ME |
| 21:12.10 | Moebius | babilen, i thought i should have |
| 21:12.14 | valdyn | rly: im not sure you understand kpartx really |
| 21:12.37 | Moebius | babilen, ok.. the prob is.. not only i ended up in console, i can't do shit, cause it's stuck in some cycle while flickering. |
| 21:12.48 | babilen | Moebius: hehe - Xorg still tries to use fglrx, which is not possible anymore. Also make sure that firmware-linux-nonfree and libgl1-mesa-dri is installed. (the former from non-free) |
| 21:12.50 | valdyn | rly: what kpartx does is it simply makes available partitions on a disk image through device nodes. It's not persistent. It has to be rerun after a reboot |
| 21:12.59 | rly | valdyn: hmm, it appears I have to run kpartx at boot. |
| 21:13.05 | rly | valdyn: but I can do that via cron. |
| 21:13.17 | valdyn | rly: yes |
| 21:13.31 | Moebius | babilen, firmware is there, libgl1-mesa-dri.. dunno... not sure. But tell me who do i get past that cycle.. i CAN'T DO anything. |
| 21:13.31 | babilen | Moebius: Boot into recovery, mv the 20-fglrx.conf somewhere else, install the aforementioned packages and reboot. |
| 21:13.44 | valdyn | rly: mounting too has to be done via cron then |
| 21:13.56 | Moebius | babilen, tried that. Didn't work.... |
| 21:14.04 | Moebius | babilen, it boots the same way and it's stuck then.. |
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| 21:14.07 | rly | valdyn: yes, and the probability of a failed mount is the same as with real hardware? |
| 21:14.17 | gele | but why would you want to mount partitions from a disk image at every boot? why not just copy the files to the outer filesystem? |
| 21:14.22 | rly | valdyn: I can also do fscks on it, etc.? |
| 21:14.29 | valdyn | rly: sure |
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| 21:15.00 | rly | gele: If there is a way I can copy the physical partitions over, that would be OK too. |
| 21:15.13 | rly | gele: since I have enough completely free space to do that. |
| 21:15.24 | rly | gele: in fact, that would even be better. |
| 21:15.37 | valdyn | rly: you can copy original partition to a new partition, as long as the new partition is big enough |
| 21:15.59 | valdyn | or just copy files.. obviously |
| 21:16.14 | rly | valdyn: copying files takes forever. |
| 21:16.32 | valdyn | rly: so youre dealing with a filesystem containing a huge number of files? |
| 21:16.43 | valdyn | rly: ( like millions at least i guess ) |
| 21:16.47 | rly | valdyn: So, cp /dev/mounteddeviceviausb1 /dev/newpartitionthatislargeenough works. |
| 21:16.55 | rly | valdyn: yeah, 10+ million, I think. |
| 21:17.00 | babilen | Moebius: Hmm :-/ -- One approach would be to use a live cd/usb and chroot into the system. (see "/msg dpkg fixmbr" for instructions on how to do that with the install CD (don't run the grub commands)) or see "/msg dpkg forgot root password" for yet another way. You could also try to hold "CTRL-ALT-F1" while gdm starts. Actually try that first. |
| 21:17.03 | valdyn | rly: ok |
| 21:17.10 | Moebius | babilen, good idea. |
| 21:17.12 | rly | FSs are much slower than sequential access, naturally. |
| 21:17.23 | Glorf | so, no idea for my kernel trouble ? |
| 21:17.26 | valdyn | rly: yes, youre on the right track |
| 21:17.38 | valdyn | rly: i do something like this with backups all the time |
| 21:17.55 | rly | valdyn: I luckily do have a backup solution in place. |
| 21:18.07 | Moebius | babilen, ok, thanks. CTRL-ALT-F1 then.... on my way. |
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| 21:18.17 | babilen | Moebius: Good luck! |
| 21:18.23 | Moebius | babilen, thanks |
| 21:18.36 | simonlnu | Glorf: linux-image is the one on the bts to look for issues |
| 21:19.53 | prooz | greycat: Yes, it looks like it might be a problem with groups. However: now i managed to break my system. But thanks for the help. |
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| 21:21.27 | Glorf | simonlnu, there's a boot problem, and a kernel panic at startup, nothing to see with my problem ... but there's only two bugs on linux-image, maybe it's another package to look after ? |
| 21:22.04 | simonlnu | Glorf: sorry, try src:linux perhaps |
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| 21:22.55 | rly | valdyn: copying the whole device (/dev/sda for example) to just one partition (/dev/sda1 for example) will not result in a working state, right? |
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| 21:23.23 | Glorf | simonlnu, he don't find src:linux, or no reports about it |
| 21:24.14 | simonlnu | Glorf: ok, hold on, i'll give good info in a moment ;). sorry |
| 21:24.21 | jelly-home | rly: correct |
| 21:24.25 | Glorf | ok, thanks |
| 21:24.41 | simonlnu | Source: linux-2.6 |
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| 21:24.54 | simonlnu | so yeh, linux-2.6 not linux |
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| 21:28.12 | Glorf | (well, it's loading the result page for 2mn, perharps there's too many kernel related bugs :p) |
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| 21:32.27 | simonlnu | hehe |
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| 21:35.13 | Glorf | simonlnu, i finally loaded the page but ... i selected the linux-image-3.1.0-1-amd64 but there's only one bug, and nothing to do with my problem ... since it's the kernel i'm using, any other idea of package ? |
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| 21:36.21 | simonlnu | hit up google with kernel 3.1 bugs |
| 21:36.36 | simonlnu | add some more specific keywords |
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| 21:39.55 | rly | jelly-home: ok, so in this case I apparently have about 6 tiny partitions. This would make the mount image via cron method a lot easier to manage, right? |
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| 21:41.01 | rly | jelly-home: is there also a difference between logical and primary partitions from the 'cp'-method point of view? |
| 21:41.14 | rly | (I don't think there is.) |
| 21:41.42 | Moebius | babilen, alright man... i guess it's the end of the line for me. Yeah, i've managed to delete that file, even though it took me a great deal of efforts, i could barely switch to console, and even so it was still funky, i had to type in "rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d" letter by letter. Is that a peculiar kinda bug or one of those "cool" thingies? Anyway, yes, gnome has started. But.. |
| 21:41.48 | Moebius | babilen, it gets stuck pretty soon too... |
| 21:42.20 | Glorf | simonlnu, i found some bugs, but it's from 2.6 users who resolved them by installing 3.0 or 3.1 >.> perhaps 3.2 might resolve this ? |
| 21:42.31 | Moebius | babilen, leaving only a few launchers on the desktop and no panels. Then it starts flickering. It goes off for a while.. then back on... off.. on. |
| 21:43.01 | simonlnu | Glorf: possibly. i know ppc had some issues on 3.0.x |
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| 21:44.10 | Moebius | babilen, good thing i've made a backup image of my system using Acronis. That's the only thing that makes it all less painful. |
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| 21:48.57 | oznt | hi everyone, i am pretty desperate, and i need help to solve a very annoying problem |
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| 21:49.14 | oznt | i have a laptop with broadcom card (LAN) and i'd like to use the WOL feature |
| 21:49.45 | oznt | this feature is working perfectly on windows and FreeBSD on this laptop, but I'd like to use the laptop with Linux |
| 21:50.04 | oznt | does someone here has experience with WOL ? |
| 21:51.03 | p01s0nb1t | http://wiki.debian.org/WakeOnLan |
| 21:51.29 | p01s0nb1t | see the "interface setup" section |
| 21:52.02 | oznt | p01s0nb1t, thanks- this answer is almost insulting |
| 21:52.14 | oznt | p01s0nb1t, ofcourse i looked there |
| 21:52.22 | oznt | and what can I tell, it does not work |
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| 21:52.42 | p01s0nb1t | it's the single "O.S." related issue of wake on lan |
| 21:52.57 | p01s0nb1t | I don't want to insult you off-course, just was trying to help |
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| 21:54.35 | oznt | p01s0nb1t, i said almost :-) |
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| 21:54.35 | oznt | because it is trivial... |
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| 21:54.50 | p01s0nb1t | ah sorry, my english is very poor :) |
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| 22:02.33 | serjs | Hi guys, i need help with relatime option in squeeze with ext3 |
| 22:03.22 | serjs | I wrote nostrictatime or norelatime firstly, but after mount cat /proc/mounts show me alway relatime expect my options, i try norelatime OR nostrictime |
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| 22:05.19 | p01s0nb1t | serjs: do you have more options ? |
| 22:05.23 | p01s0nb1t | in special noatime |
| 22:05.38 | serjs | p01s0nb1t i haven't noatime |
| 22:05.53 | serjs | p01s0nb1t rw,relatime,errors=continue,commit=100,data=ordered 0 0 |
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| 22:06.40 | serjs | hmmm |
| 22:06.40 | p01s0nb1t | na, same behavior here with ext4, mount shows changes, /proc/mounts no |
| 22:06.51 | serjs | mybe ext3 don't support this opts |
| 22:07.47 | p01s0nb1t | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.56 | serjs | hmm |
| 22:08.15 | serjs | i wrote noatime, nodiratime and now i have ext3 rw,noatime,nodiratime,errors=continue,commit=100,data=ordered 0 0 |
| 22:08.42 | serjs | think ext3 don't know about norelatime/nostrict and others |
| 22:08.51 | serjs | go to read ext3 spec |
| 22:08.53 | p01s0nb1t | no /proc/self/mounts does not reflect norelatime either |
| 22:09.09 | serjs | ahh |
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| 22:10.33 | serjs | need to read about difference of /proc/mounts and /proc/self/mounts too >< |
| 22:11.08 | p01s0nb1t | I don't know why this happens... with "mount" I can see "relatime", but "norelatime" is not shown |
| 22:13.14 | p01s0nb1t | serjs: it's referenced in man proc, it talks about "per-process mount namespaces" |
| 22:13.54 | p01s0nb1t | but I think the issue is just with some options... I'm trying mount -o remount,relatime and see it, and with norelatime I don't see it (in "mount" output) |
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| 22:15.33 | p01s0nb1t | ah, in my output "noatime" was interfering |
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| 22:25.02 | p01s0nb1t | serjs: ah.... look at this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=756670 read the comments |
| 22:25.17 | p01s0nb1t | as I always use noatime, I didn't know that |
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| 22:26.39 | TheLifelessOne | How can I improve the font-rendering in debian to work as it does in Ubuntu? |
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| 22:29.13 | serjs | p01s0nb1t thank you for link |
| 22:30.18 | p01s0nb1t | n.p. |
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| 22:31.43 | thewanderer1 | oznt, well, are you sure WoL should work when the laptop is not plugged in to AC power? |
| 22:32.48 | thewanderer1 | I've only ever had laptops respond to magic packets by waking up when the unit was suspending or on AC (or both) |
| 22:32.48 | oznt | I just found it works from GRML live CD if I edit /etc/init.d/halt |
| 22:32.57 | thewanderer1 | hmm, what do you disable? |
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| 22:33.52 | oznt | halt -d -f $poweroff $hddown instead of halt -d -f $netdown $poweroff $hddown |
| 22:34.09 | oznt | i know you can do it in /etc/defaults/halt too |
| 22:34.13 | oznt | but i was lazy :-) |
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| 22:34.37 | oznt | now... the question is... will it work on Debian too ??? |
| 22:34.47 | thewanderer1 | the manpage implies that it will |
| 22:34.54 | oznt | which man page ? |
| 22:35.13 | thewanderer1 | halt :P |
| 22:36.01 | oznt | i can see nothing about /etc/defaults in man halt |
| 22:36.23 | thewanderer1 | correct - it does not seem to be configurable in /etc/default |
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| 22:36.56 | thewanderer1 | oh wait - it's only the manpage that skips that part |
| 22:37.07 | thewanderer1 | read the init script, it's easy to figure that one out |
| 22:37.31 | oznt | yep, funny the man page on CentOS 6 is less descriptive |
| 22:38.13 | oznt | some how I also think it is a bug in the b44 module, because I can't get to work with CentOS 6 (kernel 2.6.32) but i can get it to work with grml |
| 22:38.41 | oznt | so i guess this laptop will get Debian ... but I really wanted to deepen my CentOS knowledge ... |
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| 22:39.04 | thewanderer1 | there is no need to |
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| 22:39.31 | thewanderer1 | once you're on Debian, you don't go back :P |
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| 22:40.09 | jelly-home | oznt: you can steal the kernel and drivers from grml if need be :> |
| 22:40.13 | kkerwin | Hi. Is there a specific debian channe for ARMv5 support? Thanks in advance. |
| 22:40.31 | oznt | jelly-home, i might do that :-) |
| 22:40.42 | oznt | thanks for the tip... |
| 22:40.46 | thewanderer1 | oznt, what card are you trying to run in particular? |
| 22:40.59 | oznt | besides the kernel package how do i get the modules ? |
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| 22:41.32 | oznt | thewanderer1, hmm, it's broadcom 44xx something... in anycase it is used by the module b44 |
| 22:41.38 | thewanderer1 | b44? never heard of |
| 22:41.47 | thewanderer1 | I might have used b43 but that's it |
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| 22:42.49 | oznt | Broadcom BCM440x 10/100 |
| 22:42.54 | oznt | this is my laptop http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareDescription.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodTypeId=0&prodSeriesId=449877&prodNameId=472196&swEnvOID=1093&swLang=8&mode=2&taskId=135&swItem=PSG_I22389-106952 |
| 22:42.57 | thewanderer1 | aha, so LAN |
| 22:43.23 | thewanderer1 | well, does it run on Debian at the moment? |
| 22:43.24 | oznt | yeah, first we the Wake-ON-LAN than we'll take Manhattan |
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| 22:43.51 | thewanderer1 | there is a kernel module for that in Squeeze it seems |
| 22:44.17 | oznt | the laptop, no, i installed CentOS, Freebsd and Windows ... but I take the freedom to ask in #debian, because all my other laptops and servers use debian ;-) |
| 22:44.31 | oznt | thewanderer1, the problem is not getting it to work |
| 22:44.42 | oznt | the problem is getting it to work after Halt |
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| 22:44.53 | oznt | which seems fine with grml 2011.12 |
| 22:44.57 | thewanderer1 | yeah, so just stop `halt` from deinitializing the network |
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| 22:45.04 | oznt | just did |
| 22:45.09 | jelly-home | !tell kkerwin about armel |
| 22:45.18 | thewanderer1 | was it effective? |
| 22:45.39 | oznt | oddly enough, this trick does not work with CentOS, so I suspect the b44 is buggy with older versions |
| 22:45.53 | thewanderer1 | yeah well, CentOS is full of surprises |
| 22:45.56 | oznt | also, I tried this trick on the newer laptop |
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| 22:46.17 | oznt | this laptop has JMicron device controlled by the JME driver |
| 22:46.23 | oznt | total failure |
| 22:46.43 | oznt | the WOL won't work in anycase on that laptop |
| 22:46.46 | thewanderer1 | you can copy a Debian kernel, but I am not convinced it would integrate particularly well with a foreign (non-Debian) distro |
| 22:46.58 | kkerwin | jelly-home: Thank you. |
| 22:47.11 | thewanderer1 | also, some laptops simply do not support wake on LAN when not on AC / suspending |
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| 22:47.39 | thewanderer1 | I imagine it might have something to do with the EU directives, crap hardware, or both |
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| 22:49.03 | oznt | thewanderer1, well ... |
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| 22:49.35 | p01s0nb1t | maybe just to save battery |
| 22:49.38 | oznt | this newer laptop with the JME, has also windows 7... guess what ? WOL works on suspend, hibernate and shutdown |
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| 22:50.08 | thewanderer1 | huh - ACPI abuse sure is a fun thing |
| 22:50.18 | infinity_ | is there a version of debian with a stable btrfs? I've tried "stable" but btrfs i think was released too soon. |
| 22:50.25 | oznt | p01s0nb1t, i appreciate kernel dev's trying to save my battery, but there is so much better ways to save than shutting down my network interface |
| 22:50.32 | thewanderer1 | infinity_, stable btrfs? no such thing, sorry |
| 22:50.39 | oznt | with out letting me easily to WOL |
| 22:51.04 | infinity_ | thewanderer1: i wonder why they removed reiserfs and replaced it with btrfs then. thats just "dumb" |
| 22:51.28 | thewanderer1 | infinity_, neither is production quality yet (if you meant the new reiser) |
| 22:51.32 | oznt | infinity_, that is because the main dev behind reiserfs is in jail |
| 22:51.49 | infinity_ | thewanderer1: no. they removed reiserfs3 |
| 22:51.54 | thewanderer1 | aha |
| 22:52.04 | infinity_ | oznt: someone in jail makes the software invalid? that makes zero sense |
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| 22:52.21 | thewanderer1 | I am not quite sure that reiserfs has been "replaced" by btrfs |
| 22:52.39 | oznt | infinity_, well, if the FS dev is made by and arrogant bastard with no community it does |
| 22:52.54 | infinity_ | thewanderer1: its no longer an option when installing debian stable. instead btrfs is listed which doesn't work. so now the only option is ext4 |
| 22:52.58 | Bubu | good evening |
| 22:53.00 | oznt | and btrfs is not a replacement of reiserfs |
| 22:53.06 | oznt | good evening Bubu |
| 22:53.10 | infinity_ | oznt: sounds like people being emotional |
| 22:53.12 | thewanderer1 | infinity_, or xfs |
| 22:53.19 | Bubu | somebody can help me about installing debian on via epia m10000? |
| 22:53.28 | teratoma | the reiserfs project lead was at first too arrogant to accept patches, that may have led to it being included in future vesions of linux, then he had serious legal problems, and continues to have serious legal problems, so it is doubtful he will ever respond to bug reports |
| 22:53.54 | teratoma | at least btrfs has people working on it |
| 22:54.08 | infinity_ | teratoma: i hate btrfs. |
| 22:54.14 | oznt | infinity_, i am :-) but that is how it is, Hans reiser wrote code that was good, but was never made it into main line kernel, the only distro that used it by default was opensuse between 10.0 to 11.1 |
| 22:54.23 | teratoma | me too! i went back to ext4. it was demonstratably VERY slow on my computer |
| 22:54.35 | oznt | later they dropped it because he murdered his wife and development practically stopped |
| 22:54.48 | teratoma | it is unclear if he actually wrote any of the code actually. he had some dudes in Russia. |
| 22:55.07 | thewanderer1 | why does that matter, again? :P |
| 22:55.08 | teratoma | he got some money from a DARPA grant for a while and was able to hire actual programmers |
| 22:55.15 | teratoma | anyway he's not coming back |
| 22:55.33 | thewanderer1 | for now when there's no btrfs fsck, you can't really expect it to be reliable on any kernel anyway |
| 22:55.33 | infinity_ | well ...i don't know anything about reiser4, but reiser3 is awesome |
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| 22:56.18 | Bubu | nobody ? :( |
| 22:56.29 | infinity_ | so removing reiser3 from the debian install and adding btrfs to a solid stable distro like debian, is a bad decision IMHO |
| 22:56.34 | thewanderer1 | Bubu, what exactly is your problem? |
| 22:56.51 | Bubu | 10x |
| 22:56.54 | infinity_ | anyway. i'm done. if there is someone i can email my complaint to. let me know :) |
| 22:57.04 | teratoma | you could run XFS instead. i dont think reiserfs has fsck either does it? |
| 22:57.15 | Bubu | i want install squeeze netinstall.386 on my epia m10000 |
| 22:57.19 | infinity_ | teratoma: reiserfs3 is rock solid. it has a fsck tool. |
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| 22:57.33 | Bubu | i have a usb keybord (ok for bios) |
| 22:57.33 | reinal | how i learn where is port for sending mail from client like outlook netstat -tanp ? |
| 22:57.48 | reinal | is not smtp 2 |
| 22:57.50 | reinal | 25 |
| 22:57.52 | infinity_ | i've used reiser3 over the past 10 years in many random environments. it has never failed me. |
| 22:57.59 | Bubu | isolinux start but i can't move in the menu |
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| 22:58.36 | infinity_ | devs should ditch btrfs and spend all there time on : http://zfsonlinux.org/ |
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| 22:58.52 | teratoma | you know what, it all fails one day. make regular backups |
| 22:59.03 | infinity_ | teratoma: heh. |
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| 22:59.51 | TheLifelessOne | how can I tell whether I'n running the latest drivers, and determine whether GPU acceleration is enabled? |
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| 23:00.19 | infinity_ | k. time to either re-architect my system or try linux3.2 stable to maybe fix my btrfs issues |
| 23:00.23 | thewanderer1 | Bubu, you fell prey to crappy BIOS, I've seen that before. you need to find an alternate method of booting. |
| 23:00.52 | Bubu | thewanderer1 have the last bios install |
| 23:00.55 | Bubu | 1.16 |
| 23:01.06 | thewanderer1 | latest BIOS != good BIOS |
| 23:01.21 | thewanderer1 | the most annoying bugs never get fixed :P |
| 23:02.04 | Bubu | the problem is usb ? if i find a ps2 keybord it's ok ? |
| 23:02.11 | TheCox | does anyone know why I would get this error from qemu-kvm on a 64bit host with 12G of memory? "qemu: at most 2047 MB RAM can be simulated" |
| 23:02.28 | thewanderer1 | Bubu, well, if you have a PS/2 connector, it should be ok |
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| 23:02.38 | thewanderer1 | I've had that problem on a computer without PS/2 at all :P |
| 23:02.39 | Bubu | ah ok 10x a lot :D |
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| 23:03.12 | thewanderer1 | TheCox, because you're running a 32-bit guest machine? O.o |
| 23:03.25 | Bubu | i will try with ps2 keyboard |
| 23:03.29 | thewanderer1 | (also, have you googled?) |
| 23:03.38 | TheCox | thewanderer1: nah, they're both 64 bit |
| 23:03.48 | thewanderer1 | what qemu-kvm version? |
| 23:03.50 | aguitel | i am in kde (squeeze) ,when i try to restart the system it close the session and logout in debian again but it don't go to grub list ,how can i fix ? |
| 23:04.03 | TheCox | 0.12.5+dfsg-5+squeeze7 |
| 23:04.21 | thewanderer1 | aguitel, /etc/default/kexec |
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| 23:05.05 | thewanderer1 | TheCox, what exact qemu-kvm command line are you using? are you using KVM with hardware virt? |
| 23:05.07 | aguitel | thewanderer1, i am in system settings |
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| 23:05.20 | TheCox | i'm using libvirt |
| 23:05.22 | thewanderer1 | aguitel, doesn't matter - just edit the said file |
| 23:05.42 | aguitel | thewanderer1, ok |
| 23:05.57 | thewanderer1 | TheCox, strange, it never did that for me... check the process listing. also, see if your host has vt or svm enabled... |
| 23:07.30 | aguitel | thewanderer1, i then |
| 23:07.58 | aguitel | thewanderer1, and then |
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| 23:08.20 | thewanderer1 | then, when you have disabled kexec reboots and saved the file... you're done |
| 23:08.55 | aguitel | thewanderer1,the line :LOAD_KEXEC=true |
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| 23:09.08 | aguitel | thewanderer1,the line :LOAD_KEXEC=false |
| 23:09.18 | thewanderer1 | yeah, that's not hard to guess, is it? |
| 23:09.35 | aguitel | thewanderer1,or comment the line |
| 23:10.12 | thewanderer1 | nope, change the value to false |
| 23:10.24 | thewanderer1 | commenting it out leads to undefined behaviour :P |
| 23:10.26 | aguitel | thewanderer1ok |
| 23:11.07 | aguitel | thewanderer1, i reboot now ,thanks |
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| 23:13.44 | aguitel | thewanderer1, done |
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| 23:15.55 | TheLifelessOne | how can I enable ubuntu-like font rendering? |
| 23:16.01 | infinity_ | yells at btrfs. GIVE ME MY CPU BACK! |
| 23:16.20 | thewanderer1 | TheLifelessOne, what is "ubuntu-like font rendering"? |
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| 23:16.54 | TheLifelessOne | thewanderer1: Ubuntu renders it's font differently than Debian does, and I'd like Debian to use Ubuntus method. |
| 23:17.18 | thewanderer1 | do you really just mean it uses a different font by default? |
| 23:17.44 | TheLifelessOne | Ubuntu has better font-smoothing. |
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| 23:18.38 | thewanderer1 | well, find out what it's called and you can surely locate it in GNOME settings |
| 23:18.56 | thewanderer1 | I, for one, am glad with the defaults |
| 23:19.18 | LinuxApprentice | how can i figure out what caused my comp to reboot without reason? |
| 23:19.26 | LinuxApprentice | syslog? what do i look under? |
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| 23:19.52 | TheLifelessOne | I know what it is, it's a patched version of libcairo2, but when I try to apply the patch myself, it breaks GNOME dependencies, which causes aptitude to not work unless it attempts to satisfy those dependencies, which results in the removal of GNOME somehow. |
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| 23:20.05 | sosofes | hi! squeeze sucks! Lenny rocks |
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| 23:21.57 | thewanderer1 | LinuxApprentice, see *all* logs... it was probably a power failure anyway ;P |
| 23:22.40 | LinuxApprentice | thewanderer1: all? |
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| 23:22.49 | infinity_ | sosofes: heh |
| 23:22.50 | thewanderer1 | yeah, all, within the interesting timeframe |
| 23:23.09 | thewanderer1 | just look through them, you'll notice failures easily |
| 23:23.10 | TheCox | thewanderer1: sigh.... even running "/usr/bin/kvm -m 4096" gives me that error. vt is definitely enabled. maybe i'll try compiling kvm and see where that gets me |
| 23:23.12 | LinuxApprentice | thewanderer1: you mean check them 'all' in syslog ? |
| 23:23.36 | thewanderer1 | LinuxApprentice, I mean look at everything that got logged around the hour when the system rebooted |
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| 23:24.00 | thewanderer1 | TheCox, works for me - have you configured resource limits? ... |
| 23:24.16 | readme | I am trying to follow this guide on bridging, http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections |
| 23:24.21 | readme | When I execute this command: # brctl addif br0 eth0 eth1 |
| 23:24.25 | TheCox | where would i do that? |
| 23:24.27 | readme | I get |
| 23:24.33 | readme | device eth0 is already a member of a bridge; can't enslave it to bridge br0. |
| 23:24.41 | TheCox | you mean ulimit? |
| 23:24.46 | thewanderer1 | TheCox, /etc/security/limits.conf , and yes |
| 23:25.01 | thewanderer1 | readme, it means exactly what it says, what is not clear here? |
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| 23:25.19 | readme | thewanderer1: I don't understand how to fix it, can you help? |
| 23:25.35 | thewanderer1 | readme, see what bridges you already have: brctl show |
| 23:25.54 | readme | yeah, I have one: br08000.6c626da055d3noeth0 |
| 23:25.59 | readme | oh wow, terribly sorry |
| 23:26.24 | readme | /http://pastebin.com/YGBSJj15 |
| 23:26.29 | TheCox | thewanderer1: nah, i'm running default ulimits for squeeze. are you on squeeze too? |
| 23:27.05 | thewanderer1 | TheCox, I'm on pretty much all possible releases, including a custom 1.0 qemu-kvm compile, all work fine |
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| 23:27.55 | thewanderer1 | TheCox, are you sure your kvm_intel module is loaded and that the libvirt user can access it? |
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| 23:29.07 | TheCox | its loaded. how can i tell if libvirt user can access it? |
| 23:29.27 | thewanderer1 | id -a libvirt-qemu; stat /dev/kvm; |
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| 23:29.47 | thewanderer1 | the permissions must allow reading and writing |
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| 23:30.39 | TheCox | Access: (0660/crw-rw----) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 103/ kvm) |
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| 23:31.06 | TheCox | not sure how to interpret that |
| 23:31.22 | thewanderer1 | it's fine, now is libvirt-qemu in kvm group? |
| 23:31.50 | TheCox | nope :) |
| 23:31.58 | readme | thewanderer1: strange. deleting the original bridge and then doing it over got me past that point. |
| 23:31.58 | readme | thanks |
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| 23:32.20 | thewanderer1 | readme, nothing strange in it. you can not re-add an interface that's already added. |
| 23:32.34 | readme | so it's added.. the guide didn't say much more of what to make this work |
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| 23:32.52 | thewanderer1 | TheCox, well, what user do your KVM instances run as? |
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| 23:32.57 | readme | I have this machine here which has a wireless nic that is working, and ethernet. I've got that hooked up to a dvd player. |
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| 23:33.03 | readme | I configured the bridge as in the guide above. |
| 23:33.08 | readme | What else do I need to know to finish this? |
| 23:33.41 | TheCox | they normally run as libvirt-qemu, but i get the same error running as root |
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| 23:33.58 | TheCox | i added the user to the kvm group and still get the error |
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| 23:34.36 | TheCox | don't have any problems running guests with less than 2G |
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| 23:34.48 | lasers | Hi. What's the command to tell dpkg about removing multimedia packages (from the repo)? |
| 23:34.57 | Owner | TheCox| perhaps yo ushould look at sysctl.conf or limits.conf or whatever it is |
| 23:35.15 | thewanderer1 | TheCox, ulimit -a and check what you're capped at |
| 23:35.19 | readme | When creating a bridge, what considerations do I need to make for the choice of IP addresses on the bridge and the other host? |
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| 23:35.40 | thewanderer1 | readme, no special considerations at all, it's just a network interface |
| 23:35.50 | lstarnes | just make sure that the IPs won't conflict |
| 23:36.06 | Owner | ...what is a bridge |
| 23:36.28 | thewanderer1 | Owner, 802.1d, I suppose... or was that ab? |
| 23:36.30 | TheCox | max memory size (kbytes, -m) unlimited, virtual memory (kbytes, -v) unlimited |
| 23:36.34 | lstarnes | Owner: it connects two or more network interfaces together and connects their local networks |
| 23:37.14 | Owner | interesting... |
| 23:37.15 | thewanderer1 | TheCox, isolate the issue with strace, then |
| 23:37.31 | thewanderer1 | see which mmap fails etc. |
| 23:38.05 | Owner | how bout...google for KVM 2G limit |
| 23:38.11 | Owner | and someone will have the answer |
| 23:38.16 | youlysses | New to Debian (From arch) and was wondering where the "Unstable" Images are? All I can find is Squeze Images.... |
| 23:38.42 | felkor | hi everybody. I'm trying to backport a package (motion) from sid to wheezy using mini-buildd-rep. this uses sbuild to build packages. I'm getting a FTBFS : http://paste.debian.net/153040/ |
| 23:38.43 | Owner | i mean duckduckgo/ixquick for KVM 2G limit |
| 23:38.45 | TheCox | owner: i just found several solutions that didn't work for me. thats why i came here |
| 23:38.54 | Owner | TheCox| #kvm |
| 23:38.59 | thewanderer1 | TheCox, wait, is this your own package instead of the Debian-supplied one? O.o |
| 23:39.08 | TheCox | lol no |
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| 23:39.20 | TheCox | its straight squeeze |
| 23:39.54 | thewanderer1 | TheCox, what does kvm --version say, again? |
| 23:40.20 | TheCox | QEMU PC emulator version 0.12.5 (qemu-kvm-0.12.5) |
| 23:40.49 | Owner | whats wrong with #kvm |
| 23:40.56 | felkor | how can sbuild not find compiler? http://paste.debian.net/153040/ |
| 23:41.26 | thewanderer1 | nothing wrong with #kvm, proceed there. `kvm -m 2700` works for me. |
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| 23:41.39 | TheCox | the people here are nicer? lol |
| 23:42.07 | TheCox | thewanderer1: thanks for your help |
| 23:42.25 | thewanderer1 | it still seems like you're not on an amd64 host O.o |
| 23:42.26 | Owner | felkor| source /etc/profile maybe? if you install a bunch of stuff in one session lots of times you cant see it... |
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| 23:43.44 | Owner | felkor| dpkg-architecture: warning: Couldn't determine gcc system type, falling back to default (native compilation) |
| 23:44.01 | wad | I'm migrating my postfix to a new server. I'll need to shutdown the postfix on the old server, but I don't want to kill it completely, just prevent the service from automatically running on boot. What's the right way to do that? |
| 23:44.06 | Owner | felkor| configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 23:44.16 | felkor | ty Owner . didnt see that |
| 23:44.20 | Owner | gl |
| 23:44.35 | thewanderer1 | wad, man update-rc.d-insserv |
| 23:44.40 | wad | thanks |
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| 23:48.10 | wad | thewanderer1, hmm, that doesn't seem to exist on my debian. Does that work in lenny? |
| 23:48.27 | obiwahn | hi i'd like to ssh in into a laptop that moves around and has a dynamic ip |
| 23:48.43 | thewanderer1 | wad, no, Lenny does not use insserv. use the regular update-rc.d there. |
| 23:48.49 | wad | ah |
| 23:48.54 | TheCox | obiwahn: dyndns.org |
| 23:48.59 | obiwahn | a server with static ip is available |
| 23:49.17 | thewanderer1 | obiwahn, man ssh // grep for -R option |
| 23:49.36 | obiwahn | TheCox: yes that is good to find the external ip - but how do i get trough the router? |
| 23:49.48 | thewanderer1 | see above |
| 23:50.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1192] by debhelper |
| 23:50.05 | acu | Are we going to have Samba 4.0 in Wheezy ? |
| 23:50.52 | thewanderer1 | acu, if it's in sid at the moment and the bug count is steadily decreasing, then probably. otherwise, slim chances... (last time I checked it, it was quite incomplete) |
| 23:50.56 | readme | is it posssible to bridge an ethernet to a wireless nic? |
| 23:51.32 | thewanderer1 | readme, it probably is, but it might depend on drivers' non-crappiness |
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| 23:54.58 | obiwahn | thewanderer1: any suggetions how to handle discconects? just run in like while:, |
| 23:55.10 | obiwahn | ; do ssh -R ... |
| 23:55.35 | thewanderer1 | obiwahn, autossh ? |
| 23:56.04 | readme | am I supposed to use a crossover cable for this? |
| 23:56.26 | obiwahn | thewanderer1: wow - that is nice:) thank you |
| 23:56.48 | thewanderer1 | readme, for what? |
| 23:58.01 | readme | thewanderer1: let me try again. I think the bridge is not working, new question: I want to share my wifi connection with another computer plugged in via ethernet. I've done this before but I can't for the life of me remember how. I've tried this one here: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 with no luck |
| 23:59.05 | thewanderer1 | readme, then: bridge the eth to the wlan interface, use a cross-over cable for RJ45 ro RJ45 connection, it's done :P |
