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| 00:00.35 | spersaud | abrotman: how do you do that ? |
| 00:00.59 | spersaud | I use 64 bit windows on this laptop but only have 3 gig memory how does that work ? |
| 00:01.02 | miamiseb | Hello All. I haven't been able to boot the default debian kernel image for some time, but my custom compiled kernel does work. Any way to extract the .config from the default kernel so I can diff it with mine and see what might be missing. |
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| 00:01.09 | spersaud | virtual memory ? |
| 00:01.59 | miamiseb | to clarify, by default kernel image, I mean the linux-image-2.6.32-686 line |
| 00:02.45 | spersaud | abrotman: remove, install ... ? |
| 00:03.36 | thewanderer1 | bluesky, Debian amd64 will run on Core i3 |
| 00:05.08 | spersaud | I think I need to switch from oss to alsa ... how do I do that ? |
| 00:05.18 | spersaud | dpkg-reconfigure sound base or something like that I did |
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| 00:07.20 | bluesky | Thanks |
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| 00:07.58 | miamiseb | I took the .deb from linux-image-2.6.32-5-686_2.6.32-38_i386.deb and extracted the data.tar.gz inside, but I couldn't find a .config file in there, so I'm not really sure how I might be able to extract that information. |
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| 00:08.51 | themill | miamiseb: it's in /boot/config-* in the package |
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| 00:08.52 | miamiseb | It's actually in /boot/config-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 00:09.02 | miamiseb | thanks themill, I see it now. |
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| 00:09.50 | miamiseb | now away to read docs for config options |
| 00:09.51 | miamiseb | fun. |
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| 00:18.23 | abrotman | konradb: splashutils ? |
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| 00:18.23 | konradb | yes |
| 00:18.27 | konradb | for fbsplash |
| 00:18.28 | abrotman | which does what? |
| 00:18.41 | konradb | for bootsplash :] |
| 00:18.46 | abrotman | i think you want plymouth |
| 00:18.56 | abrotman | !plymouth |
| 00:18.57 | dpkg | Plymouth presents a graphic animation while the boot process occurs in the background. It is designed to be used with <DRM> modesetting drivers and replaces both <usplash> and <splashy>. Packaged since Debian Squeeze, see /usr/share/docs/plymouth/README.Debian to enable. http://wiki.debian.org/plymouth http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Plymouth #plymouth on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 00:19.10 | abrotman | that kind of thing ? |
| 00:19.17 | konradb | yes |
| 00:19.27 | abrotman | there you go! |
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| 00:19.32 | konradb | thanks ;] |
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| 00:20.26 | deimos | I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but since I'm using debian squeeze on everything… I'm looking for a recommendation for centralized logging, I know rsyslog can handle it, but i have about ~20 instances i need to log from and I've seen some mention of rsyslog not being the best option for logging from a lot of servers, so I was wondering if using syslog-ng might be better, or if there's another suggestion that might be bet |
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| 00:21.04 | abrotman | pseubodot: what did you do wiht karl?! |
| 00:21.17 | deimos | some of the main features im looking for is loggin remotely + locally, and splitting logs based on host and service and log names |
| 00:21.43 | abrotman | deimos: how many options do you really have? |
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| 00:21.51 | abrotman | 20 doesn't really sound like a lot though |
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| 00:22.14 | deimos | abrotman: I'm a little green to remote logging, so im not sure how many options i have lol |
| 00:22.48 | abrotman | deimos: okay .. well at any rate .. 20 hosts doesn't sound like very many .. unless your logging host is a 150Mhz P1 |
| 00:22.50 | deimos | abrotman: yeah i guess "a lot" is subjective, ignore that then |
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| 00:23.36 | abrotman | deimos: i'd probably try rsyslog first .. it's pretty straightforward IIRC |
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| 00:25.14 | deimos | abrotman: alrighty, do you know off hand if rsyslog will allow you to break logs up into host/service/etc based on config or is it more of a one log fits all kind of thing? |
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| 00:26.39 | abrotman | deimos: i thught it was configurable .. but it should be easy to find out with a few minutes of reading docs |
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| 00:26.55 | deimos | abrotman: yeah, scouring them now, thanks |
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| 00:31.19 | miamiseb | and I think we have a bingo. |
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| 00:32.14 | miamiseb | the default linux-image uses a initrd image, while I simply set my config_blk_dev_generic and don't use initrd |
| 00:32.29 | miamiseb | so even though I was using kpkg, I wasn't building an initrd image and installing it. |
| 00:32.48 | samruger | i login and xfce4-panel flickers then dies, and also sometimes dies once i get it running. but i just found out something new, once i login and xfce4-panel flickers and dies if i open a window and then run xfce4-panel it stays open and if i close that one window it flickers and dies again. im running 64 bit debian 6 with xfce4.6. |
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| 00:33.33 | miamiseb | deimos, : maybe http://rsyslog.com/doc/rsyslog_conf_output.html |
| 00:34.37 | somiaj | samruger: what do you use to login? (check the stderr of your xserver process, that is sometimes piped to ~/.xsession-errors and see if you can find any errors being spit out by xfce |
| 00:34.53 | cubuanic | hi all. my system is debian/testing, and i have problem with iceweasel (ver 8) - it won't redirect pages which have meta-refresh tag. i tried to update it to unstable (ver 9), but this didn't help. is this known bug? |
| 00:35.43 | somiaj | cubuanic: if it is a known bug you can check the bts. Also you may find better testing/unstable support or irc.oftc.net in the channel #debian-next |
| 00:35.52 | abrotman | cubuanic: did you check mozilla.debian.net to see if it would have a newer version for you ? |
| 00:36.03 | miamiseb | cubuanic, check accessibility.blockautorefresh in about:config |
| 00:36.23 | abrotman | grrrr |
| 00:36.45 | cubuanic | miamiseb: default/false |
| 00:37.24 | abrotman | cubuanic: yeah, m.d.n has a 9.x for wheezy, i'm apparently using it |
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| 00:37.35 | cubuanic | abrotman: no, i'm installing it usual way from default repos. both 8 and 9 have same issue, btw |
| 00:37.36 | abrotman | cubuanic: wait |
| 00:37.40 | cubuanic | ?.. |
| 00:37.40 | abrotman | hold on a second |
| 00:37.43 | abrotman | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 00:37.44 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-10; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-11; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-11; wheezy: 8.0-3+b1; sid: 9.0.1-1; experimental: 10.0~b5-1 |
| 00:37.50 | abrotman | hrm ... |
| 00:37.52 | abrotman | anyway .. |
| 00:37.55 | miamiseb | if there isn't a newer version and you've tried safe mode/ backing up and recreating you profile...then I've got nothing |
| 00:38.02 | abrotman | cubuanic: okay .. did you try it as a new user ? |
| 00:38.37 | cubuanic | let me try with fresh profile..... (may be some ext change this behaviour?...) |
| 00:38.44 | abrotman | oh .. wait .. i'm still pointing at the squeeze m.d.n repo .. crap |
| 00:39.44 | cubuanic | yeah, in other profile (not fresh, to be honest - but with minimal count of addon installed) - everything works fine |
| 00:39.55 | cubuanic | will try to find which one break this then... |
| 00:40.00 | cubuanic | thanks for tip |
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| 00:48.10 | cubuanic | well, i found it. this was custom addon, developed by 3rd party to use internally in our company. will write complain to developers tomorrow from morning. all addons installed from addons.mozilla.org are ok. |
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| 00:48.21 | cubuanic | thanks for help & good luck! |
| 00:49.20 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 01:09.42 | epicfail | guys i realy would like to see this http://vimeo.com/18576967 viedo but i dont have a flash player... any ideas (exept installing one)? |
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| 01:09.59 | abrotman | epicfail: gnash ? |
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| 01:10.14 | ilikenwf | so anyone know how to get dropbear to get an ip address with early init? i've got it setup the debian way, but it's not grabbing an ip |
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| 01:10.44 | epicfail | abrotman, no not woring |
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| 01:12.25 | linduxed | !offtopic |
| 01:12.25 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 01:12.36 | ilikenwf | so anyone know how to get dropbear to get an ip address with early init? i've got it setup the debian way, but it's not grabbing an ip |
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| 01:13.06 | linduxed | hmm, i probably should have done that in a query, but oh well |
| 01:13.46 | abrotman | epicfail: not working how? are you sure it's loaded ? |
| 01:13.59 | abrotman | ilikenwf: didn't you just ask that two minutes ago? |
| 01:14.13 | ilikenwf | sorry |
| 01:14.29 | epicfail | abrotman, yes but gnash cant handle the site... never mind i found a flash downloader |
| 01:15.18 | teratoma | how can i automatically sign my custom repo packages wiwth dpkg-buildpackage? i want to put in the passphrase automatically |
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| 01:18.33 | abrotman | epicfail: okay |
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| 01:19.13 | epicfail | abrotman, nevermind. I love you anyway :P |
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| 01:22.15 | miamiseb | my rules.d is empty in /dev/.udev and in /etc/udev/rules.d I have only persistent-cd, persistent-net and fuse. I don't have /dev/sda or /dev/root. Any ideas? |
| 01:22.33 | konradb | how can i change debian logo in gnome 2 panel? |
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| 01:37.00 | spersaud | how can I setup nfs ? |
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| 01:41.29 | tensorpudding | spersaud, client, server or both? |
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| 01:43.15 | tensorpudding | installing the server on debian is simply a matter of installing the package and configuring your exports. the proper daemons for serving on your lan will be configured to start without any intervention |
| 01:44.04 | tensorpudding | on the client, you install the nfs client packages and configure fstab to mount the nfs share properly |
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| 01:47.10 | Mephisto | konradb, you can find it and change it manually or you can install another set of icons |
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| 01:50.13 | spersaud | tensorpudding: ok |
| 01:50.19 | spersaud | there are youtube videos :) |
| 01:50.28 | tensorpudding | oh |
| 01:50.43 | tensorpudding | there is the implicit assumption that your server and client have users setup properly |
| 01:50.49 | tensorpudding | or you'll have trouble trouble |
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| 01:55.18 | buntunub | spersaud: http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/servers/nfs.jspx |
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| 01:58.51 | damjan-- | hi all, I have a shell access on a Debian Squeeze server but not root - what would the standard way be to have commands run (as my user) after a reboot |
| 01:59.04 | damjan-- | is @reboot supported in the default cron? |
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| 02:02.35 | damjan-- | I didn't have man installed ... but it does (zless can open the man page still) |
| 02:03.08 | damjan-- | *it does == cron 3.0pl1-116 does support @reboot |
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| 02:13.28 | miamiseb | so having to mknod the files myself upon bootup sorta defeats the purpose of udev, but it seems to fix the problems with grub2's grub-mkconfig/grub-probe |
| 02:16.12 | gnarface | miamiseb: why in the hell are you doing that? so you can use your soundcard without being in the audio group? |
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| 02:18.56 | miamiseb | no, because for some reason my udev isn't creating /dev/sda /dev/sda1 or /dev/root and grub-probe requires them to be present. |
| 02:20.12 | gnarface | that's pretty weird. but when you make them it works? |
| 02:20.24 | gnarface | like, you can mount them after that? and see the contents? |
| 02:21.14 | miamiseb | sure I can |
| 02:21.26 | miamiseb | I'm accessing the block devices directly at that point, it has to work |
| 02:21.29 | miamiseb | or should at least. |
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| 02:22.02 | miamiseb | so now let's see if I can remotely upgrade via a grub-reboot |
| 02:22.06 | miamiseb | just in case. |
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| 02:23.48 | riadh | Hi, I added sid to my apt source.list in order to install a package, and I forgot to remove it. Several weeks later I did an upgrade + dist-upgrade. Now I'm running debian/wheezy, how can I go back to stable? |
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| 02:24.11 | riadh | Can I juste remove the line from my source.list and do an update + upgrade + dist-upgrade ? |
| 02:24.12 | shawn186 | howdy |
| 02:24.35 | gnarface | riadh: there's no supported method do downgrade. the only way to guarantee you won't hose your system is to restore from backup at this point |
| 02:24.48 | riadh | ouch. |
| 02:25.27 | shawn186 | can someone help me with a problem I am having in debian? |
| 02:25.37 | shawn186 | i am a newbie to linux |
| 02:25.48 | nag___ | shawn186: what's the problem? |
| 02:26.03 | shawn186 | i can't figure out how to install vmware tools |
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| 02:26.07 | gnarface | riadh: presumably you could carefully hand-reconstruct your old system. i've even tried what you suggest and succeeded for weeks before the crippling of the dependency structure ultimately made something weird and inexplicable happen |
| 02:26.10 | shawn186 | never touched debian before |
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| 02:27.35 | riadh | gnarface, this is in a file server, I'm maybe better to reinstall debian form scratch. |
| 02:28.23 | abrotman | riadh: is it running okay right now ? |
| 02:28.31 | riadh | abrotman, yes. |
| 02:28.37 | gnarface | riadh: keep backups |
| 02:29.01 | miamiseb | shawn186, http://www.electrictoolbox.com/install-vmware-tools-debian-5/ |
| 02:29.11 | shawn186 | debain 6? |
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| 02:30.14 | miamiseb | http://www.surlyjake.com/2011/02/install-open-vm-tools-on-debian-6-squeeze/ |
| 02:30.40 | shawn186 | lol |
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| 02:31.57 | shawn186 | err, that webpage is not the correct system |
| 02:32.07 | miamiseb | what do you mean? |
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| 02:33.21 | shawn186 | its for esxi |
| 02:33.24 | shawn186 | i have player lol |
| 02:34.20 | miamiseb | it's the same. |
| 02:34.32 | miamiseb | you just need vmware tools, and open-vm-tools are it's equivilent |
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| 02:41.20 | GTRsdk | okay when running eject, I get Inappropriate ioctl for device. I know rebooting makes it go away, but I don't want to reboot. Anything I can do? |
| 02:42.31 | gnarface | GTRsdk: old optical drive? |
| 02:42.51 | GTRsdk | gnarface: from like 2005 or so... == old? |
| 02:43.11 | shawn186 | how do i install a .pl? |
| 02:43.13 | shawn186 | or run |
| 02:43.20 | gnarface | GTRsdk: out of curiousity, what make& model? i started having the exact same problem with a dvd-rom by phillips that' i've had for about that long |
| 02:43.44 | GTRsdk | gnarface: I think it is a Sony something.... this is on a PowerPC Macintosh |
| 02:43.58 | GTRsdk | so I don't have any fancy eject buttons |
| 02:44.28 | gnarface | GTRsdk: i've had some luck on my pc one by pressing the eject button at the same time as running the eject command. your powerpc should have a hardware eject sequence i forget what it is. reboot holding apple-D or apple-C or something like that |
| 02:44.54 | GTRsdk | well if I reboot, it just seems to work |
| 02:45.24 | abrotman | shawn186: it's a perl script |
| 02:45.28 | miamiseb | I got stock 2.6.32-5-686 booting! |
| 02:45.29 | gnarface | GTRsdk: also, sometimes if (and i know this is really weird) i eject -v (yep, for verbose) it works better |
| 02:45.29 | miamiseb | yay! |
| 02:46.15 | gnarface | GTRsdk: in fact, sometimes running it twice real fast works too. its almost like something in there is expecting you to double-click the eject button |
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| 02:46.46 | gnarface | GTRsdk: if you can isolate this behavior from hardware failure i'd be interested to hear how |
| 02:46.55 | miamiseb | shawn186, you may be able to just ./perlscript.pl provided it has the interpreter as the first line, otherwise perl perlscript.pl |
| 02:46.58 | GTRsdk | gnarface: I only get output |
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| 02:47.03 | GTRsdk | hmm |
| 02:47.24 | GTRsdk | gnarface: if it is indeed hardware failure, then that would also explain why I can't burn properly on OS X on here anymore |
| 02:48.07 | shawn186 | idk what that is o.o, i am a newb D: |
| 02:48.11 | gnarface | GTRsdk: well, i realize this isn't a solution to a software problem, but those macs DO still have a manual eject mechanism, you just have to access it with a unfolded paper clip |
| 02:48.44 | gnarface | GTRsdk: it should be somewhere near the right side of the drive slot, inside said slot, recessed a way. you'll probably have to find it and press it in about an inch with the pin |
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| 02:49.19 | gnarface | GTRsdk: sometimes there's a subtle marker where it is in the slot, like a small dip in the row of brush-fibers |
| 02:49.29 | tidux | how do I change my mouse cursor theme when I'm not using a DE? |
| 02:49.40 | tidux | I've switched update-alternatives x-cursor-theme |
| 02:49.41 | shawn186 | hi there |
| 02:49.50 | tidux | but it still shows the basic left_ptr |
| 02:50.34 | GTRsdk | gnarface: I have tried force eject and I can't successfully eject it without the case off |
| 02:50.43 | abrotman | yay apple |
| 02:51.15 | gnarface | GTRsdk: did this thing get dropped? that shouldn't happen unless the drive is misaligned inside the case |
| 02:51.27 | gnarface | GTRsdk: that would also lead credence to hardware failure |
| 02:51.45 | gnarface | GTRsdk: failure to burn could be unrelated though. i'd try burning at half-speed first |
| 02:52.07 | GTRsdk | gnarface: well it couldn't even begin burning due to some syncing issues |
| 02:52.50 | gnarface | GTRsdk: i've noticed for example that if i put optical media rated for 48x in my 52x cdrom burner for example, some of the cheaper ones will fail to give a good burn unless i manually tell it to cap its speed at 48x |
| 02:54.19 | gnarface | (which cdrecord is suppoed to be smart enough to do on its own it just doesn't always actually seem to pull it off) |
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| 02:55.34 | gnarface | GTRsdk: keep in mind this still also COULD be indicative of optical drive head misalignment/hardware failure but that doesn't mean its necessarily related to why you can't eject, nor does it mean you could not possibly get good burns out of the thing locked at lower speeds |
| 02:56.23 | gnarface | GTRsdk: most people would just buy a new one, which is why you don't get a lot of help with this, but i feel your pain, i am sympathetic. |
| 02:57.11 | gnarface | GTRsdk: 5 year old mac optical drive though... if it saw heavy use, its odds are not great of being still 100% functional |
| 02:57.13 | GTRsdk | gnarface: I probably should just buy a new unit altogether |
| 02:57.25 | GTRsdk | it saw some use |
| 02:57.28 | gnarface | GTRsdk: well that's certainly what *apple* is hoping you will do |
| 02:57.29 | GTRsdk | but not much tbh |
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| 02:57.48 | gnarface | GTRsdk: there are still repair shops that will service these things though |
| 02:57.54 | GTRsdk | gnarface: well I had System76 or a Debian computer OEM in mind :P |
| 02:58.16 | gnarface | GTRsdk: bah. what's the point? just go to newegg and part out the ideal system for yourself |
| 02:58.45 | gnarface | GTRsdk: that way you don't get stuck with another disposable dvd burner |
| 02:58.57 | GTRsdk | good idea |
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| 03:02.03 | LinuxApprentice | can someone tell me why i have no video output in chocolate-doom ? |
| 03:02.12 | LinuxApprentice | i can hear the sound but i have no video output |
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| 03:10.19 | BoyOfWuHan | where did you get your drivers ? |
| 03:10.43 | BoyOfWuHan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:11.37 | OldMonk | hi, what's the equivalent of the -bigmem kernel in 3.x? |
| 03:11.42 | BoyOfWuHan | :LinuxApprentice |
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| 03:12.18 | Mephisto | speaking of video.. does anyone know by any chance why is my video playback not smooth sometimes.. like.. something jerks in, i can see some lines in the middle, slight distortion... but not always, only at certain point.. |
| 03:12.32 | Mephisto | it reminds of interlacing effect... |
| 03:12.47 | daveo | i'm trying to install emacs 24 on a linux-mint box that uses debian 'testing' for repo, is 'testing' == 'untable'?? |
| 03:12.58 | OldMonk | daveo: no |
| 03:13.11 | OldMonk | daveo: stable <- testing <- unstable |
| 03:13.16 | abrotman | daveo: ask them, not us .. this channel does not support Mint |
| 03:13.34 | daveo | OldMonk: thanks, that's clear |
| 03:14.03 | Mephisto | so, ok, using ATI HD4200 with fglrx 11.4. Doesn't matter actually, 10.9 is the same regarding the issue. |
| 03:14.06 | un214 | is there a good way to tell apt "hand's off" a few packages to avoid bricking the system |
| 03:14.31 | OldMonk | un214: man apt_preferences |
| 03:14.35 | Mephisto | i've even tried opensuse 11.4 for that, just to make sure it's not only Debian thing. Nope, it's not. Same thing i got there. |
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| 03:15.45 | Mephisto | un214, nope. If it wants to delete something then it's bond to do it. |
| 03:16.37 | Mephisto | un214, sometimes though those are innessential, like gnome-desktop for example.. these are blanks... |
| 03:17.25 | OldMonk | what's the equivalent of the -bigmem kernel in the new 3.x series? |
| 03:17.26 | un214 | apt_preferences was a wrong answer |
| 03:17.46 | dwon | un214: You can mark packages as "held", which prevents apt from upgrading them automatically |
| 03:17.55 | abrotman | OldMonk: isn't one .. they're all bigmem now |
| 03:18.09 | Mephisto | oh well. nobody knows what's wrong with my video playback. |
| 03:18.10 | abrotman | OldMonk: there is the -pae series though if you need more |
| 03:18.11 | abrotman | ? |
| 03:18.24 | OldMonk | abrotman: do i need some special switch to enable 4gb or 4gb+ memory? |
| 03:18.25 | un214 | dwon: that's probably more or less right |
| 03:19.03 | OldMonk | this is on a 4gb machine: 2147MB HIGHMEM available. 889MB LOWMEM available. |
| 03:19.06 | dwon | un214: You can also mark specific files in the filesystem as immutable (chattr +i ... as root). It won't prevent dpkg from trying to upgrade them, but dpkg will fail. |
| 03:19.10 | OldMonk | 1gb is missing |
| 03:19.10 | un214 | I need to manually intervene to upgrade them or brick on boot |
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| 03:19.37 | abrotman | OldMonk: osrry, use -pae .. i must hve been thinking of some other feature |
| 03:19.43 | OldMonk | Linux 3.1.0-1-686-pae #1 SMP |
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| 03:20.37 | OldMonk | abrotman: this is a pae kernel |
| 03:20.52 | abrotman | check bios>? |
| 03:21.53 | OldMonk | umm, what do i check for in bios? |
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| 03:22.24 | un214 | dwon: that did it. "The following packages have been kept back: libmount1 mount" |
| 03:23.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | OldMonk: the gf has a system which refuses to go the full 4gb. nothing obvious in bios, running bigmem kernel. if you don't have an y bios option you might need a new bios, or new mobo |
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| 03:23.52 | un214 | Sometimes machine with 4GB ram, 512MB video, and 32 bit BUS can't use all 4gb |
| 03:23.56 | OldMonk | let me check on the laptop |
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| 03:24.55 | abrotman | un214: that doesn't make sense .. and pinning is also a correct answer .. and holding a package only sort of works |
| 03:25.18 | un214 | abrotman: I told you /etc/mtab -> /proc/mounts was a bad idea |
| 03:25.31 | abrotman | you didn't tell me anything .. i rarely read what you have to say |
| 03:26.13 | OldMonk | Linux 3.1.0-1-686-pae #1 SMP; Memory: 3990124k/5502976k available (2766k kernel code, 52424k reserved, 1585k data, 408k init, 3131656k highmem) <-- laptop |
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| 03:26.39 | OldMonk | ok, BIOS it is then |
| 03:27.32 | OldMonk | abrotman, Kamping_Kaiser: thanks, bb to make a nuisance of myself if it doesn't work |
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| 03:28.20 | langkid1 | how do I install cURL? |
| 03:29.05 | un214 | abrotman: apt pin can't really stop apt from upgrading a package |
| 03:29.35 | shawn186 | why does terminal tell me "shawn is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." ? |
| 03:29.51 | shawn186 | i installed debian under my pass, and its not accepting it |
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| 03:29.54 | abrotman | un214: just as much as hold doe s.. |
| 03:30.01 | abrotman | shawn186: visudo .. configure it |
| 03:30.21 | abrotman | un214: if you think a hold will keep that package from being upgraded, you're very mistaken |
| 03:31.28 | un214 | you got a better way abrotman? |
| 03:32.13 | abrotman | besides getting you off unstable? |
| 03:32.24 | abrotman | pinning actually is better .. but you wouldn't listen to me anyway .. so have fun |
| 03:32.41 | un214 | abrotman: and when unstable becomes stable the problem will still be there |
| 03:33.03 | abrotman | exactly my point .. you don't pay attention and don't listen .. unstable will never be stable .. |
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| 03:33.34 | un214 | first of all, I'm on testing, not unstable |
| 03:33.51 | un214 | and I believe squeeze becomes stable sooner or later |
| 03:34.07 | abrotman | squeeze is not unstable .. you're the one that said 'when unstable becomes stable' |
| 03:34.22 | tensorpudding | testing becomes stable |
| 03:34.25 | un214 | you're right, I did. I sometimes get the two mixed up |
| 03:34.26 | abrotman | anyway .. do it however you'd like .. |
| 03:34.27 | tensorpudding | unstable never becomes anything |
| 03:34.34 | langkid1 | never mind |
| 03:34.35 | abrotman | we've covered that .. thanks |
| 03:34.44 | abrotman | langkid1: curl or libcurl ? |
| 03:34.54 | langkid1 | abrotman, never mind, I got it working :) |
| 03:34.59 | abrotman | ok |
| 03:35.08 | tensorpudding | unstable is the crucible where packages are smoothed enough for testing |
| 03:35.12 | dwon | tensorpudding: Doesn't unstable basically become testing when a new stable is released? |
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| 03:35.22 | abrotman | no |
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| 03:35.46 | tensorpudding | not sure about that |
| 03:35.54 | un214 | anyway it looks like pinning would be the way if these weren't built by apt-get source ; patch ; dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc ; dpkg --install |
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| 03:39.18 | mosno | how *does* one keep their locally built packages up to date? ie. is there an apt-based system that notifies you of updates? |
| 03:39.40 | abrotman | up to date against what? |
| 03:39.46 | mosno | ie. you've modified the deb src of an official package, but now a new deb src is out |
| 03:39.52 | shawn186 | oh what does v do for sudo? |
| 03:39.53 | mosno | or there's a security update for it |
| 03:39.57 | shawn186 | edit? |
| 03:40.09 | abrotman | visudo .. |
| 03:40.25 | abrotman | mosno: that's your responsibility .. if you think you know better than a maintainer .. that's your job to keep it up to date |
| 03:40.58 | un214 | you see, I'm just trying to get apt to _tell me_ if there's a version conflict |
| 03:41.49 | un214 | inicdentally, mosno, "the following packages have been kept back" on apt-get dist-upgrade is a dead giveaway |
| 03:42.01 | mosno | un214, yeah good call |
| 03:42.46 | shawn186 | abrotman i did type that, but what is this that it brougt me into? |
| 03:43.25 | abrotman | an editor to configure sudo |
| 03:44.14 | shawn186 | cool |
| 03:44.24 | shawn186 | *brought |
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| 03:46.33 | un214 | The day is coming soon when the kernel itself will be custom compiled |
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| 03:50.08 | shawn186 | what do i do in vsudo? |
| 03:51.15 | shawn186 | *visudo |
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| 04:00.46 | zykotick9 | shawn186: the "easy" way to get sudo access is to add your user to the "sudo" group... just sayin'. |
| 04:02.08 | shawn186 | i dunno where |
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| 04:02.21 | shawn186 | right now the layout is spanish to me |
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| 04:03.50 | ilikenwf | dropbear luks unllnocking doesn't work |
| 04:03.59 | ilikenwf | doesn't accept my keyfile or my root password |
| 04:04.06 | ilikenwf | any suggestions/ideas? |
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| 04:04.13 | ilikenwf | i'm using the debian way of doing this... |
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| 04:15.17 | shawn187 | wow, i was disconnected |
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| 04:21.15 | tux0 | hello shawn186 |
| 04:21.23 | shawn186 | hi |
| 04:21.31 | shawn186 | i am still stumped on visudo |
| 04:21.34 | shawn186 | :( |
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| 04:22.07 | shawn186 | reading this http://wiki.debian.org/sudo and not really understanding it |
| 04:22.28 | lstarnes | do you know how to use vim? |
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| 04:23.07 | lstarnes | or, rather, what speciifc modification do you want to make? |
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| 04:26.34 | tux0 | shawn186 you can just add yourself to the sudo group if you want access to all commands |
| 04:26.36 | shawn186 | lstarnes trying to add permissions |
| 04:26.46 | shawn186 | how ._. |
| 04:27.08 | lstarnes | shawn186: there should already be a %sudo entry there, right? |
| 04:27.24 | lstarnes | if so, add your user to the sudo group with gpasswd -a $USER sudo |
| 04:28.05 | tux0 | shawn186 edit /etc/group and append your $USER to the group |
| 04:28.33 | lstarnes | gpasswd is less likely to screw up |
| 04:28.39 | tux0 | e.g. sudo:x:27:shawn186 |
| 04:28.49 | lstarnes | after doing that, log out then log in again |
| 04:29.39 | tux0 | shawn186 you can type `id' to see your userid groupid and the groups you are currently in |
| 04:30.45 | tux0 | and you don't have to really logout to get access if you do not want to close many programs (gui programs) down |
| 04:31.08 | nsadmin | then what do you have to do? |
| 04:31.10 | tux0 | you can just do `su - shawn186' in a terminal and then `sudo <cmd>' in that |
| 04:31.27 | shawn186 | eyeballs hang |
| 04:31.45 | himuraken | Having issue. Trying to mount a nfs export hosted on a debian 6/amd64 box from my ubuntu laptop and my esxi server. Neither can mount it, both can ping it and vica versa. export: /storage/RAID10(no_root_squash,rw) |
| 04:32.12 | nsadmin | if you do that for too long, the necks of your eyeballs will start to hurt... |
| 04:32.12 | himuraken | showmount -e debianhost takes quite some time, but eventually lists the export |
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| 04:32.26 | shawn186 | all that code is hurting my eyes |
| 04:32.41 | tux0 | what code? |
| 04:32.46 | shawn186 | i have never done anything like this before |
| 04:32.51 | nsadmin | perhaps a backlight :) |
| 04:33.22 | tux0 | shawn186 are you using gnome or kde? |
| 04:34.10 | shawn186 | dunno |
| 04:34.14 | shawn186 | what are they |
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| 04:34.25 | tux0 | desktop environments |
| 04:34.30 | tux0 | kde.org gnome.org |
| 04:34.59 | tux0 | open up a applcation and go to helo -> about |
| 04:35.21 | tux0 | help -> about |
| 04:36.01 | shawn186 | gnome terminal 2.30.2 |
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| 04:36.10 | tux0 | ok you are probably using gnome |
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| 04:36.30 | tux0 | anyways, open up gnome terminal |
| 04:36.32 | shawn186 | i think so |
| 04:36.33 | shawn186 | lol |
| 04:36.35 | shawn186 | it says |
| 04:36.55 | shawn186 | i'm on superuser |
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| 04:36.57 | tux0 | in the terminal window type `su' and your superuser aka root password |
| 04:36.59 | tux0 | ok |
| 04:37.19 | shawn186 | i logged in and ti says i have new mail :D |
| 04:37.25 | tux0 | type in there as superuser: gedit /etc/group |
| 04:37.35 | shawn186 | *it |
| 04:38.16 | tux0 | find the line that look similar to this one: sudo:x:27: |
| 04:38.39 | lstarnes | why should he edit /etc/group manually? |
| 04:38.44 | lstarnes | gpasswd is MUCH easier to deal with |
| 04:38.50 | lstarnes | and less likely to screw things up |
| 04:38.59 | shawn186 | its how i can learn |
| 04:39.02 | shawn186 | :P |
| 04:39.11 | tux0 | did you find that line? |
| 04:39.23 | shawn186 | not that far yet |
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| 04:39.33 | shawn186 | reading this mail thing |
| 04:39.43 | tux0 | :\ |
| 04:41.52 | nsadmin | shawn186, you'd be more respectful of the time all these helpers are using to focus on you if you focused on them and on the task more |
| 04:42.23 | shawn186 | yes |
| 04:42.40 | tux0 | shawn186 you can open another tab in gnome-terminal and read your mail after if you want :) |
| 04:42.59 | shawn186 | i am tryin, i am new to this linux thing, wondering what this mail thing is |
| 04:43.16 | tux0 | open another terminal and type: man mail |
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| 04:44.09 | nsadmin | I get that, and there's not a huge problem with it... just be aware that when you focus elsewhere, the effect for the helpers is they have to continue focusing on you while they wait for you to respond |
| 04:44.20 | shawn186 | oh, sorry |
| 04:44.47 | nsadmin | no problem :) all I wanted here, is your awareness, and that's now successful :) |
| 04:45.23 | shawn186 | sorry :( |
| 04:45.33 | shawn186 | i typed su then my password |
| 04:45.47 | nsadmin | no problem at all |
| 04:46.01 | tux0 | then the mail message showed up :) |
| 04:46.18 | shawn186 | i have a - in my passworld |
| 04:46.23 | shawn186 | would that present a problem? |
| 04:46.29 | tux0 | no |
| 04:46.29 | shawn186 | *password |
| 04:46.30 | lstarnes | no |
| 04:46.38 | lstarnes | if it's the first character, maybe |
| 04:46.47 | tux0 | shawn186 it's actually good to have a mixed character password |
| 04:46.53 | shawn186 | it is |
| 04:47.20 | shawn186 | su: invalid option -- 'a' |
| 04:47.34 | lstarnes | use su user <ENTER> |
| 04:47.40 | lstarnes | then enter your password at the prompt |
| 04:47.47 | shawn186 | ah |
| 04:47.50 | shawn186 | su short for sudo? |
| 04:47.57 | lstarnes | no |
| 04:48.06 | lstarnes | su and sudo are entirely separate but similar programs |
| 04:48.19 | tux0 | switch user maybe :) |
| 04:48.27 | shawn186 | oh |
| 04:48.29 | lstarnes | among other things su requires the target user's password and can't limit what commands can be run |
| 04:48.41 | shawn186 | should i get get out of superuser terminal? |
| 04:48.44 | nsadmin | and "switch user, then do ____" |
| 04:48.44 | shawn186 | and use the normal one |
| 04:49.18 | tux0 | shawn186 if you are using the superuser terminal you do not need to switch to superuser you are already superuser "root" :) |
| 04:49.42 | shawn186 | oh, su is super user? |
| 04:49.47 | tux0 | shawn186 you can type: id and see your userid groupid and groups you belong to |
| 04:49.51 | lstarnes | no, switch user |
| 04:49.53 | shawn186 | oh |
| 04:49.56 | lstarnes | or substitute user |
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| 04:50.21 | lstarnes | by default it uses the superuser account (root) if you don't tell it to use another |
| 04:50.40 | nsadmin | lstarnes, you mean for sudo? |
| 04:50.49 | lstarnes | same for su and sudo |
| 04:50.53 | himuraken | Anyone around for some general nfs troubleshooting advice? |
| 04:51.15 | shawn186 | uid=1000(shawn) gid=1000(shawn) groups=1000(shawn) |
| 04:51.22 | nsadmin | himuraken, the most general advice is to watch the logs on both sides |
| 04:51.36 | tux0 | shawn186 ok in that terminal window type: su |
| 04:51.38 | nsadmin | this is also the only advice that can be given without specifics |
| 04:51.46 | himuraken | nsadmin, good call. Which logs on the debian server? Im wathcing syslog and dmesg, getting slim to nill |
| 04:51.50 | tux0 | shawn186 enter your root password |
| 04:51.57 | himuraken | nsadmin, I gave specifics earlier. |
| 04:52.01 | himuraken | For what thats worth. |
| 04:52.03 | shawn186 | the login password? |
| 04:52.10 | nsadmin | oh, probably wasn't here or something |
| 04:52.16 | himuraken | Is there a particular file in /var/log for nfs? |
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| 04:52.45 | nsadmin | I wonder if that stuff would make it into daemon.log |
| 04:52.53 | himuraken | will check. |
| 04:53.28 | nsadmin | hmm, what would the nfs daemons be and how do they log |
| 04:53.30 | shawn186 | tux0 ? |
| 04:53.32 | tux0 | shawn186 did you login as su yet? |
| 04:53.47 | nsadmin | himuraken what are you using as an nfs server? |
| 04:53.53 | shawn186 | is it the same login password for the desktop? |
| 04:53.56 | himuraken | Debian squeeze/64 |
| 04:54.05 | tux0 | shawn186 it's your root password |
| 04:54.13 | himuraken | Export = /storage/RAID10*(no_root_squash,rw) |
| 04:54.27 | nsadmin | ok, and which specific software is serving the net fses to the client? |
| 04:54.56 | himuraken | fses? I did a nfs-kernel-server nfs-common and portmap install on the server. |
| 04:54.56 | shawn186 | ok it says root@shawn-debian:/home/shanw# |
| 04:55.00 | shawn186 | *shawn |
| 04:55.07 | himuraken | ubuntu and esxi are both unable to mount. |
| 04:55.25 | nsadmin | oh ok, the kernel nfs server then, most likely |
| 04:55.30 | himuraken | Yes |
| 04:55.39 | tux0 | shawn186 ok |
| 04:55.48 | himuraken | All defaults, added my export line, /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart |
| 04:55.53 | tux0 | shawn186 now type: gedit /etc/group |
| 04:55.56 | himuraken | and then restarted portmap, nothing. |
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| 04:56.14 | nsadmin | so maybe the very next step is to find out how the kernel nfs server daemon logs |
| 04:56.18 | himuraken | tried a showmount -e nfsserverip and that lists the export, but it wont map. |
| 04:56.19 | shawn186 | k |
| 04:56.30 | tux0 | shawn186 did the editor open with the /etc/group file? |
| 04:56.31 | himuraken | I tried some googling, didnt mention. Let me check the man file |
| 04:57.08 | shawn186 | yea |
| 04:57.16 | shawn186 | group (/etc) |
| 04:57.25 | tux0 | shawn186 now, find the line that begins with: sudo |
| 04:57.32 | shawn186 | k |
| 04:57.43 | tux0 | shawn186 do not delete anything in this file you only are going to add |
| 04:57.54 | shawn186 | sudo:x:27: |
| 04:57.57 | tux0 | yes |
| 04:58.12 | tux0 | shawn186 your normal login name is: shawn ? |
| 04:58.22 | shawn186 | yea |
| 04:58.48 | tux0 | ok make that line in the editor look like this: sudo:x:27:shawn |
| 04:59.08 | himuraken | nsadmin, any clue where the nfsd config file is located? The man file indicates that all network interfaces are set to listen for clients. |
| 04:59.10 | tux0 | save your changes, and close the editor out |
| 04:59.12 | shawn186 | k, i saved it |
| 04:59.34 | tux0 | ok, open a new tab in that gnome terminal |
| 04:59.49 | tux0 | file -> new tab or whatever it is :) |
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| 05:00.22 | nsadmin | ok, let's back up |
| 05:00.41 | shawn186 | (gedit:3590): EggSMClient-WARNING **: Failed to connect to the session manager: none of the authentication protocols specified are supported |
| 05:01.02 | tux0 | ok |
| 05:01.10 | tux0 | shawn186 did you close the editor out? |
| 05:01.14 | nsadmin | could you repeat (or pastebin) the original description of the problem? (if you did already, I must have missed it because I'm somewhat tired atm) |
| 05:01.14 | shawn186 | yea |
| 05:01.36 | nsadmin | and in that latter case I can scroll up |
| 05:01.36 | tux0 | shawn186 ok, now open a new tab |
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| 05:02.11 | tux0 | shawn186 or you can also type: exit and the terminal window you typed su and gedit /etc/group in either works |
| 05:02.27 | tux0 | and/in |
| 05:02.31 | shawn186 | ah |
| 05:02.48 | shawn186 | new root terminal window :) |
| 05:03.03 | tux0 | type: id |
| 05:03.11 | tux0 | are you root or shawn? |
| 05:03.31 | shawn186 | it says root@shawn |
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| 05:03.42 | shawn186 | root@shawn-debian |
| 05:03.48 | shawn186 | thats my login name |
| 05:03.51 | tux0 | ok type exit |
| 05:03.53 | himuraken | I will just re-iterate. Tired too, feeling like im missing something obvious at this point. Got a default load of debian squeeze. Installed nfs-kernel-server, nfs-common, and portmap. Edited my /etc/exports file as I always do. Tried to mount the export within a vmware esxi server and it fails. Decided to try with my ubuntu laptop to rule out vmware issues. Still no mount. |
| 05:04.16 | shawn186 | k |
| 05:04.31 | tux0 | what happened? |
| 05:04.33 | himuraken | Exact error when trying to mount is: mount.nfs: mount system call failed |
| 05:04.42 | shawn186 | it closed the terminal window |
| 05:04.47 | shawn186 | just like command prompt |
| 05:05.08 | nsadmin | hmm. it's too bad that message doesn't also include errno string |
| 05:05.14 | tux0 | shawn186 ok so are you using the superuser terminal or did you use the normal terminal? |
| 05:05.33 | shawn186 | i have been using root terminal |
| 05:05.41 | tux0 | lol ok |
| 05:05.43 | nsadmin | so what we have so far is "mount failed for a reason I'm not telling" |
| 05:05.47 | shawn186 | haha |
| 05:05.48 | tux0 | open up the normal terminal |
| 05:05.50 | himuraken | I do see an errno string 97 in syslog but my google queries show it being a harmless reference to ipv6 |
| 05:05.53 | himuraken | Which is not in use |
| 05:05.57 | shawn186 | k |
| 05:05.59 | himuraken | Let me try remounting in verbose. |
| 05:06.09 | notstigz | Need a quick sanity check - mounting a drive doesn't write anything to the drive being mounted, correct? |
| 05:06.48 | tux0 | shawn186 in the normal terminal type: id you should see your username shawn and the groups you are in |
| 05:06.57 | nsadmin | it might write to /var/mtab |
| 05:07.03 | tux0 | shawn186 however you should not see the group sudo just yet |
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| 05:07.08 | nsadmin | is that the right file |
| 05:07.08 | shawn186 | yea shawn@shawn |
| 05:07.20 | shawn186 | shawn@shawn-debian |
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| 05:07.27 | shawn186 | i typed that at install |
| 05:07.33 | himuraken | nsadmin, no mtab file/dir there? |
| 05:07.53 | nsadmin | mtab would be a file... could it be in /var/run? |
| 05:08.10 | himuraken | portmap is there |
| 05:08.13 | tux0 | shawn186 ok, do you see "sudo" in the `id' output for groups? |
| 05:08.20 | shawn186 | no |
| 05:08.36 | tux0 | ok good, now type this in that terminal window: su - shawn |
| 05:08.37 | nsadmin | and nothing else? |
| 05:08.38 | himuraken | nsadmin, will install locate and search, sec |
| 05:08.41 | tux0 | enter your normal user password |
| 05:08.56 | nsadmin | oh that's way too much trouble :) |
| 05:08.59 | nsadmin | let |
| 05:09.01 | shawn186 | ok |
| 05:09.05 | tux0 | shawn186 then type: id this time you should see the group "sudo" in `id' output |
| 05:09.06 | nsadmin | me see if I can find mine |
| 05:09.06 | himuraken | /etc/mtab |
| 05:09.18 | syslq_ | I wish to enable wake-on-usb on debian squeeze (stable) I have tried enabling it in /proc/acpi/wakeup and it does nothing, any ideas? |
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| 05:09.34 | shawn186 | now it says root@shawn-debian:/home/shawn# |
| 05:09.34 | nsadmin | there's one at /etc/mtab |
| 05:09.40 | himuraken | Yeah |
| 05:09.44 | himuraken | And its odd |
| 05:09.46 | tux0 | no, type exit |
| 05:10.10 | himuraken | Not that I am familiar with this file, but the line that my export is on has an extra path. |
| 05:10.13 | tux0 | shawn186 after typing exit what does it say? |
| 05:10.26 | himuraken | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:10.36 | shawn186 | shawn@shawn-debian |
| 05:10.50 | himuraken | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:10.59 | tux0 | shawn186 ok, now type in that same terminal: `su - shawn' and enter your normal user password |
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| 05:11.20 | himuraken | nsadmin, safe to remove? |
| 05:11.32 | nsadmin | so maybe that thing in mtab is there because of that thing you did before |
| 05:11.39 | tux0 | shawn186 note that, su - shawn is the complete command |
| 05:11.42 | himuraken | best way to clear? |
| 05:11.45 | shawn186 | ok |
| 05:11.54 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 05:11.57 | shawn186 | entered my password, back to the same prompt |
| 05:12.06 | himuraken | Perhaps there is a symbolic link somewhere. |
| 05:12.07 | tux0 | shawn186 ok, now type: id |
| 05:12.09 | nsadmin | I wonder if a reboot would be a better choice or not |
| 05:12.16 | himuraken | I tried that :-) |
| 05:12.17 | shawn186 | i see a 27(sudo) in there |
| 05:12.22 | tux0 | ok good |
| 05:12.25 | shawn186 | cool |
| 05:12.48 | tux0 | shawn186 until you log out of your desktop and back in you are only in group sudo at the one specific terminal window |
| 05:12.50 | nsadmin | ahh... what was in mtab before reboot? |
| 05:13.03 | himuraken | Just looking for the first time... |
| 05:13.23 | shawn186 | interesting |
| 05:13.40 | nsadmin | I wonder if your exports file is clean |
| 05:13.57 | tux0 | shawn186 what you did was manual you could have also added yourself to the sudo group using the command: `adduser shawn sudo' or some graphical utility |
| 05:14.18 | himuraken | just blew away exports file and cleared mtab. Rebooting, will check mtab on login |
| 05:14.48 | shawn186 | tux0 do you do desktop sharing? |
| 05:14.48 | nsadmin | sounds good... so if any content in exports, all commented? |
| 05:14.53 | tux0 | shawn186 anyways in that terminal window you should be able to type: sudo id |
| 05:14.57 | himuraken | COrrect |
| 05:15.01 | tux0 | shawn186 no |
| 05:15.05 | shawn186 | oh |
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| 05:15.37 | nsadmin | ok, let me know when it's back |
| 05:15.38 | shawn186 | should i just adduser shawn sudo? |
| 05:15.45 | tux0 | no |
| 05:15.52 | himuraken | Booting |
| 05:16.16 | shawn186 | ok |
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| 05:16.36 | tux0 | you have already added yourself to the sudo group, but you did it the manual way, that `adduser shawn sudo' is a more "automatic/user friendly" way |
| 05:16.48 | shawn186 | lol! ok |
| 05:16.52 | shawn186 | fun :) |
| 05:17.01 | himuraken | nsadmin, mtab is free of exports |
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| 05:17.22 | tux0 | shawn186 in the terminal window type typed: su - shawn in type: sudo id |
| 05:17.27 | nsadmin | ok, cool. what is its timestamp? |
| 05:17.40 | himuraken | 1 min ago |
| 05:18.00 | nsadmin | which is just after reboot? |
| 05:18.01 | tux0 | shawn186 sorry, in the terminal window you typed: su - shawn in, type: sudo id |
| 05:18.08 | shawn186 | k |
| 05:18.28 | himuraken | correct |
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| 05:18.50 | nsadmin | ok, it sounds like the kernel daemon is writing to that file |
| 05:19.01 | shawn186 | k |
| 05:19.07 | shawn186 | the sudo id gives (roots) |
| 05:19.09 | tux0 | did it work? |
| 05:19.11 | tux0 | :) |
| 05:19.17 | shawn186 | so that means root? |
| 05:19.43 | tux0 | you can use sudo now to run any command while logged in as your normal "shawn" user |
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| 05:19.58 | himuraken | Export = /storage/RAID10*(no_root_squash,rw) and restarting nfs |
| 05:19.59 | shawn186 | k |
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| 05:20.07 | shawn186 | tahts the ony user on my system :P |
| 05:20.09 | shawn186 | *thats |
| 05:20.19 | tux0 | :) |
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| 05:20.50 | shawn186 | ok, now to figure out how to run .pl |
| 05:21.05 | himuraken | ./ |
| 05:21.14 | shawn186 | i am going to carry this over to the table, with my 21 inch screen xD |
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| 05:21.27 | tux0 | shawn186 you sould only use sudo for commands you need superuser/root privileges for and not for nomal commands like: man mail |
| 05:21.35 | shawn186 | laptop that is |
| 05:21.43 | shawn186 | k |
| 05:22.43 | himuraken | nsadmin, added fsid=0 to the export |
| 05:22.46 | tux0 | shawn186 `man mail' will tell you what `mail' is and how it works, `man man' will tell you what and how the `man' program works :) etc. |
| 05:22.46 | himuraken | Trying to mount now... |
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| 05:23.13 | himuraken | when I issue the mount command from the client it just hangs for awhile and then throws error |
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| 05:25.50 | shawn186 | there we go |
| 05:26.17 | himuraken | nsadmin, getting input/output error |
| 05:26.18 | nsadmin | thesame one |
| 05:26.20 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 05:26.28 | nsadmin | not the same one :) |
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| 05:26.45 | himuraken | Well I think its similar to one I got earlier. |
| 05:26.47 | nsadmin | anything in dmesg on either side? |
| 05:26.51 | himuraken | checking |
| 05:26.58 | shawn186 | hmm |
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| 05:27.23 | shawn186 | tux0 have you installed vmware-tools.pl? |
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| 05:27.42 | himuraken | Server: http://pastebin.com/ZL35v5Gp |
| 05:28.07 | tux0 | shawn186 nope |
| 05:28.15 | shawn186 | oh |
| 05:28.20 | himuraken | Nothing on client |
| 05:28.25 | shawn186 | so, su is for root, and sudo is for? |
| 05:28.41 | nsadmin | hmm... wonder what i/o error it means |
| 05:28.56 | himuraken | I really think its an NFS version error |
| 05:28.57 | DragonSlay | shawn186, sudo borrows su power for sometime |
| 05:29.19 | tux0 | shawn186 debian may already have packages for programs you want to install, and it would probably be easier/better for you to use those instead of manually installing yourself :) |
| 05:29.19 | nsadmin | that could very well be. |
| 05:29.24 | shawn186 | oh so sudo is sudo, and su is half of sudo |
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| 05:29.43 | nsadmin | the other half being dew |
| 05:29.44 | shawn186 | vmware player wants me to install vmware-tools |
| 05:29.47 | shawn186 | for the guest |
| 05:29.50 | tux0 | shawn186 in a terminal type `man sudo' and `man su' :) |
| 05:29.52 | himuraken | dew? |
| 05:29.58 | nsadmin | err, do |
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| 05:30.13 | shawn186 | oh ok, switch user, like windows |
| 05:30.14 | nsadmin | nm, joke |
| 05:30.58 | nsadmin | what do you think the version problem is between? |
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| 05:31.23 | nsadmin | oh, version of mount maybe? |
| 05:31.52 | himuraken | nfs service version |
| 05:31.52 | tux0 | mount uses external programs for mounting nfs etc. |
| 05:32.59 | nsadmin | tux0: maybe you could take a few stabs at this... we gathered some info, some not really forthcoming... |
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| 05:35.01 | nsadmin | himuraken, what if you were to add another export, of some empty dir, or a dir you create which you put a coupla text files in... the export should specify localhost should be able to mount, then try to mount the server export from the server |
| 05:35.16 | himuraken | can try, sec. |
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| 05:35.31 | shawn186 | i don't have permissions to extract D: |
| 05:35.43 | jsidhu | I've got eth0 + wlan0 bridged. Hostapd works, I can see the said and i can join it, the clients dont get a dhcp address. However ,the DHCP address is given out If I connect via wired network.. since I have them bridged, I don't think I need to create any rules to allow/disallow traffic. Anyone know what may be happening? clients via wifi don't get a dhcp address from dnsmasq.. |
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| 05:36.14 | himuraken | nsadmin, bang, did it instanly. We have a networking issue of some sort. |
| 05:36.34 | himuraken | vmware and ubuntu hosts can ping debian, and debian can ping them. |
| 05:36.38 | shawn186 | there we go |
| 05:36.40 | nsadmin | hey :) we found out something :) |
| 05:36.52 | shawn186 | sudo nautilus just like ubuntu |
| 05:37.20 | shawn186 | is nautilus part of debian? |
| 05:37.28 | shawn186 | and ubuntu use debian's base |
| 05:39.04 | nsadmin | could there be some sort of iptables rules in effect? |
| 05:39.04 | DragonSlay | shawn186, nautilus is part of gnome. |
| 05:39.17 | himuraken | iptables was installed with fail2ban. |
| 05:39.18 | shawn186 | ah lol |
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| 05:39.26 | himuraken | I just apt-get remove iptables --purge' |
| 05:39.30 | himuraken | No change. |
| 05:39.35 | shawn186 | wish i understood the linux system as i do windows |
| 05:39.36 | nsadmin | or /etc/hosts-allow/deny? |
| 05:39.57 | nsadmin | shawn186, you'll get there |
| 05:39.58 | himuraken | so the hosts.allow and .deny are default. I dont recall having to change those before, am I mistaken? |
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| 05:40.08 | nsadmin | just give it some time |
| 05:40.21 | himuraken | shawn186, patience will pay off |
| 05:40.37 | shawn186 | and dedication :) |
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| 05:40.49 | nsadmin | no, I don't think you'd have to change them, just grabbing for straws atm |
| 05:40.50 | shawn186 | i am a rather hard one to learn tonight |
| 05:41.43 | shawn186 | at least dir cd and cd .. are the same |
| 05:41.45 | nsadmin | shawn186, the thing that reads command lines in linux is really different |
| 05:41.46 | shawn186 | in linux |
| 05:41.52 | shawn186 | ah |
| 05:41.55 | nsadmin | even tho the commands kinda look the same |
| 05:42.11 | tux0 | vmware installed on a debian system? and you want to export an nfs mount from debian to vmware? |
| 05:42.35 | himuraken | tux0, neg. debian host, trying to mount nfs exports on it from ubuntu and esxi, both fail. |
| 05:42.39 | nsadmin | shawn186, the thing that reads command lines in linux is called a "shell" |
| 05:42.39 | himuraken | host can mount itself. |
| 05:42.46 | nsadmin | and there are different ones |
| 05:43.31 | shawn186 | ah |
| 05:43.32 | tux0 | himuraken can you ping successfully on the debian host? |
| 05:43.41 | shawn186 | nah its debian running in vmware player |
| 05:44.17 | himuraken | tux yes. |
| 05:44.21 | shawn186 | once i get familiar with debian, i will dualboot it with windows 7 |
| 05:44.22 | himuraken | all three can ping each other |
| 05:44.34 | shawn186 | probably use debian more :) |
| 05:44.37 | himuraken | shawn186, you wont, lol. Trust me. You have to dive in. |
| 05:44.48 | himuraken | Any easy out like a reboot into win, will hurt not help. |
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| 05:44.51 | shawn186 | dive in? |
| 05:44.57 | himuraken | deb only. |
| 05:45.06 | himuraken | No crutch. :-) |
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| 05:45.33 | nsadmin | do that for about a month, and keep sudu use to an absolute minimum |
| 05:45.36 | shawn186 | epiphany instead of firefox, lol |
| 05:46.51 | tux0 | himuraken have you tried running the command mount calls directly? mount.nfs ? |
| 05:47.00 | himuraken | from ubuntu client? |
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| 05:47.25 | tux0 | or using mount -v for more verbose output? |
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| 05:47.35 | himuraken | using -vv with mount now |
| 05:47.37 | nsadmin | you can have firefox too (and, debian has been asked to not use the name "firefox", so in debian it's called iceweasel) |
| 05:47.38 | himuraken | let me try nfs |
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| 05:49.15 | nsadmin | himuraken, maybe you could try once without fail2ban |
| 05:49.32 | himuraken | fail2ban and iptables were pulled and I just came back from reboot. No go. |
| 05:49.33 | tux0 | shawn186 there are many browsers you could use :) |
| 05:49.35 | himuraken | This is annoying |
| 05:49.39 | DragonSlay | icecat from gnu is firefox with the latest updates |
| 05:49.48 | himuraken | Because I have a squeeze box in my colo, identical setup. Works fine. |
| 05:49.57 | DragonSlay | current version is 9.01 |
| 05:50.20 | nsadmin | gnu can't distribute it as firefox either? |
| 05:50.53 | DragonSlay | nsadmin, no, just mozilla foundation has the rights |
| 05:50.56 | tux0 | firefox is free software except for the branding i think |
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| 05:51.16 | tux0 | which is why the need for renaming and switching logos etc. |
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| 05:52.42 | DragonSlay | for users, we people can always download thebinaries from theie and run it |
| 05:52.54 | DragonSlay | their* --> firefox.com |
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| 05:54.46 | himuraken | nsadmin, tux0 I just pasted a working /etc/exports file from one server to this one. Lets see... |
| 05:55.38 | xenyz | hey everyone, I'm having trouble figuring out why aptitude is showing a package from unstable when I have testing pinned at a higher priority in /etc/apt/preferences.d/testing |
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| 05:56.08 | xenyz | I've been looking at this for half an hour and I'm wondering what I'm missing |
| 05:56.22 | xenyz | or is packages.debian.org out of date? |
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| 05:56.45 | shawn186 | what are these modules?: make, gcc, kernel headers of the running kernal? |
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| 05:57.15 | tux0 | make and gcc are programs |
| 05:57.55 | barbiDoll746 | Can someone help me with a cli user land bittorrent client? |
| 05:57.59 | nsadmin | you can get enough to compile stuff by installing build-essential |
| 05:58.10 | himuraken | nsadmin, no go pasting in work file. |
| 05:58.19 | himuraken | Shit.... standby |
| 05:58.22 | tux0 | barbiDoll746 the default bittorrent client has a cli version |
| 05:58.51 | barbiDoll746 | What's the default? |
| 05:58.58 | tux0 | himuraken don't paste here |
| 05:59.03 | shawn186 | what is kernel headers of the running kernel? |
| 05:59.12 | barbiDoll746 | I don't have root access just SSH user |
| 05:59.18 | tux0 | himuraken if it's a large paste freenode may automatically kline you |
| 05:59.42 | xenyz | can someone running testing do an 'aptitude show libapache2-mod-php5' and post the version they see? |
| 05:59.59 | nsadmin | is the bittorrent client you are asking about, one that's installed on the remote? |
| 06:00.02 | himuraken | lol, it was a no go pasting a working ocnfig into the server we are troubleshooting |
| 06:00.05 | tux0 | xenyz http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 06:00.08 | himuraken | lol no paste dump :-) |
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| 06:00.34 | xenyz | tux0: packages.debian.org says it's 5.3.8 but I see 5.3.9-1, I'm trying to figure out why that is |
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| 06:00.49 | barbiDoll746 | I don't know what's installed on the remote host |
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| 06:00.56 | shawn186 | :? |
| 06:00.57 | shawn186 | :/ |
| 06:01.02 | tux0 | xenyz probably just lagging a bit? |
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| 06:01.36 | xenyz | tux0: I wonder.. |
| 06:01.40 | xenyz | I thought it was something I did |
| 06:01.45 | tux0 | i'm not sure exactly how the mirrors update but I'm assuming it's not synchronously |
| 06:02.06 | himuraken | FIXED |
| 06:02.10 | xenyz | I had testing pinned at 900 and unstable pinned at 800 and thought that had something to do with it |
| 06:02.22 | himuraken | SOMETIMES YOU NEED TO SHOOT YOURSELF BEFORE WASTING A FEW HOURS. |
| 06:02.40 | nsadmin | with a camera, right? |
| 06:02.43 | nsadmin | :) |
| 06:02.50 | nsadmin | what was it? |
| 06:02.52 | tux0 | barbiDoll746 hold on |
| 06:02.57 | himuraken | So here is the logic, nfs is on 2049 right? and then it goes dynamic all over the place. |
| 06:03.04 | himuraken | I tried to telnet to the server on 2049 and it worked. |
| 06:03.11 | barbiDoll746 | OK the host I'm using is 2.6.18-6 on an amd64 |
| 06:03.15 | himuraken | Then I thought about how it picks ports dynamically.... |
| 06:03.35 | tux0 | barbiDoll746 i think the default bittorrent client requires python |
| 06:03.36 | himuraken | And thats when I disabled auto storm control and another "safety" feature in my HP managed switches. |
| 06:03.42 | nsadmin | .18, that's sarge? etch? |
| 06:03.44 | tux0 | barbiDoll746 the cli one that is |
| 06:03.53 | himuraken | <--stops drinking bawls now. |
| 06:04.08 | himuraken | LOL. Thanks for the troubleshooting advice and working with me nsadmin and tux0 |
| 06:04.36 | barbiDoll746 | Tux0 can you just tell me the command line to try downloading from a .torrent file? |
| 06:04.37 | nsadmin | np :) it only took two breakthrus |
| 06:05.19 | trist4n | there is bitflu |
| 06:05.21 | trist4n | or rtorrent |
| 06:05.25 | himuraken | So the correct answer to anyone mentioning nfs input/output errors is "are you using a procurve" lol. Enjoy your day fellas. Gnite. |
| 06:05.38 | tux0 | barbiDoll746 bittorrent? and transmission-cli? |
| 06:06.02 | shawn186 | did someone already make an apt-get install package for vmware-tools? |
| 06:06.03 | nsadmin | barbiDoll746, I must have missed it, what did you say was an installed client on the remote? |
| 06:06.05 | barbiDoll746 | Transmission-cli was not found |
| 06:06.11 | tux0 | himuraken firewalls block packets :) |
| 06:06.24 | himuraken | But it isnt a firewall, hell its only layer2. |
| 06:06.38 | himuraken | it was either the auto-dos or storm control feature. |
| 06:06.40 | barbiDoll746 | Nsadmin I said I don't know what if any client is installed |
| 06:06.41 | nsadmin | what's a procurve? |
| 06:06.43 | himuraken | Too tired to care which |
| 06:06.50 | himuraken | ProCurve is a business class HP switch. |
| 06:06.59 | tux0 | himuraken sounds like firewall features to me :) |
| 06:07.01 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 06:07.04 | shawn186 | guess not D: |
| 06:08.08 | barbiDoll746 | Is there a cli client that doesn't need elevated rights to install? Like a tcl script or something |
| 06:08.12 | tux0 | barbiDoll746 dpkg --list | awk '$2 ~ /(bittorrent|transmission)/' |
| 06:08.48 | nsadmin | barbiDoll746, OK, so, we have to start somewhere... before any one of us can tell you what to type, we would need to know which one is installed |
| 06:08.53 | nsadmin | try this: |
| 06:09.09 | himuraken | nsadmin, tux0 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/359670/Screenshot.png |
| 06:09.10 | tux0 | barbiDoll746 well, you could apt-get -d install bittorrent |
| 06:09.23 | nsadmin | ls /usr/bin/*torrent* |
| 06:09.26 | tux0 | barbiDoll746 then extract the package and run it from there :) |
| 06:09.47 | shawn186 | mind starts smokin |
| 06:09.58 | tux0 | shawn186 welcome to computers? |
| 06:10.10 | shawn186 | lol |
| 06:10.25 | shawn186 | i have been using computers for a while, first time learning linux |
| 06:10.47 | himuraken | shawn186, required reading: http://www.avdf.com/jan98/hum_h003.html |
| 06:10.50 | nsadmin | it's more like: computers have kidnapped you, and they are not letting you go! |
| 06:10.51 | himuraken | Classic |
| 06:11.00 | shawn186 | been working on them since 13, i'm 18 now |
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| 06:11.47 | nsadmin | do you do much command line work, shawn186? |
| 06:11.59 | shawn186 | only in MS-DOS |
| 06:12.07 | tux0 | shawn186 http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 06:12.14 | nsadmin | ahh, so yes |
| 06:12.28 | shawn186 | i love it too, vintage computing |
| 06:12.39 | tux0 | what ms-dos? |
| 06:12.42 | tux0 | :) |
| 06:12.44 | barbiDoll746 | OK it says the bittorrent pkg is installed |
| 06:13.00 | tux0 | barbiDoll746 oh i think maybe the command is btdownloadcurses |
| 06:13.24 | tux0 | something like that dpkg --listfiles bittorrent | grep /bin |
| 06:13.34 | shawn186 | my goal is to have linux surpass that tux0 |
| 06:13.53 | nsadmin | once you see how much power there is in most unix shells and you learn to wield that power, you might like this more than you do now |
| 06:13.55 | tux0 | cli isn't vintage :) |
| 06:14.09 | shawn186 | cli ? |
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| 06:14.15 | tux0 | command line interface |
| 06:14.26 | shawn186 | its been around since the 70s |
| 06:14.27 | tux0 | shawn186 type `wtf cli' |
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| 06:14.33 | tux0 | at a terminal |
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| 06:14.52 | barbiDoll746 | Hah |
| 06:14.55 | barbiDoll746 | Thanks |
| 06:15.03 | tux0 | maybe not |
| 06:15.04 | shawn186 | bash: wtf: command not found |
| 06:15.14 | nsadmin | yeah., meetpo |
| 06:15.17 | tux0 | yeh, you need the bsdgames package installed i think |
| 06:15.21 | jsidhu | when you bridge two interfaces in linux, do you then assign an ip address to the bridge, or do you assign ip addresses to the two interfaces separately and then create a bridge? ..sorry confused |
| 06:15.25 | barbiDoll746 | So you use bash |
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| 06:15.44 | shawn186 | let me try that on my jlime jornada 720 |
| 06:16.02 | shawn186 | ti has bsdgames |
| 06:16.04 | shawn186 | *it |
| 06:16.10 | nsadmin | well I do, yes |
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| 06:17.38 | shawn186 | well i just installed bsdgames on debian |
| 06:18.15 | tux0 | bsdgames is in non-free wth? |
| 06:18.33 | tux0 | oh, nevermind it isn't :) |
| 06:18.37 | shawn186 | lol |
| 06:18.58 | shawn186 | i entered wtf cli again, and nothing |
| 06:19.09 | nsadmin | , file bin/wef |
| 06:19.12 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 06:19.17 | nsadmin | , file bin/wtf |
| 06:19.21 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 06:20.19 | shawn186 | how do i edit groups again? |
| 06:21.00 | nsadmin | well I think you should use the programs that were made for altering groups |
| 06:21.12 | tux0 | nsadmin ok, it's probabe in games/wtf |
| 06:21.16 | shawn186 | oh, that command, what was the add command |
| 06:21.41 | tux0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.04 | nsadmin | if you want to add yorself to a grout, you can adduser you group |
| 06:22.06 | tux0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.19 | shawn186 | haha |
| 06:22.29 | tux0 | or the manual way :) whatever of probably using one of the many gui tools |
| 06:22.52 | shawn186 | tux what was the easier command? |
| 06:23.12 | himuraken | best is: adduser shawn186 group |
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| 06:23.21 | shawn186 | ah |
| 06:23.36 | tux0 | shawn186 'man 5 group' |
| 06:23.51 | barbiDoll746 | How do I feed btdownloadcurses a .torrent file? |
| 06:23.51 | nsadmin | after that you may have to log out and log back in again, or start a new session |
| 06:24.25 | nsadmin | , file games/wtf |
| 06:24.28 | judd | Search for games/wtf in squeeze/i386: bsdgames: usr/games/wtf |
| 06:24.45 | nsadmin | bsdgames for the win! |
| 06:24.55 | tux0 | barbiDoll746 man btdownloadcurses |
| 06:25.44 | nsadmin | barbiDoll746, you might have to experiment with btdown... to get used to it |
| 06:27.15 | barbiDoll746 | Ffs |
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| 06:28.13 | nsadmin | yeah, I know... it's annoying when people don't know every program in the world... |
| 06:29.04 | nsadmin | but, you're closer! you have a torrent and a client! |
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| 06:32.05 | DragonSlay | help needed to use twm window manager. |
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| 06:33.17 | nsadmin | really? twm? |
| 06:33.18 | tux0 | DragonSlay ? |
| 06:33.34 | tux0 | is your desktop environment broken? |
| 06:33.38 | tux0 | :) |
| 06:36.03 | DragonSlay | tux0, gnome is working, but i like to give twm a try. how can i start a program in twm |
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| 06:36.16 | tux0 | DragonSlay open up xterm |
| 06:36.57 | DragonSlay | ok |
| 06:37.19 | tux0 | DragonSlay just an fyi there are many other "window managers" that you may have a better "experience" with :) |
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| 06:39.03 | elfranne | i got an existing linux server with lvm, any good advice to not have a loss of data when i install debian instead ? |
| 06:40.09 | tux0 | backup? disconnect the drive? be careful where you install the boot loader? and how you partition the disks? |
| 06:40.38 | tux0 | don't do it since you are questioning? :) |
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| 06:42.13 | elfranne | i know this sound crazy but i can t make a backup |
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| 06:44.30 | DragonSlay | tux0, i'm trying out all the window managers. so far openbox,fluxbox, enligtenment, emerald and nxt in queue is twm :) |
| 06:44.53 | tux0 | DragonSlay don't forget about ratpoison and xmonad! |
| 06:44.57 | Dulak | DragonSlay: don't miss xmonad |
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| 06:45.37 | tux0 | DragonSlay a heads up too there are 2 versions of enlightenment dr16 and dr17 and there are major differences |
| 06:45.57 | richardcavell | what's the default GUI in debian? Is GNOME 2 included? |
| 06:46.03 | Mephisto | yes |
| 06:46.31 | tux0 | DragonSlay pwm, fvwm :) even scwm XD |
| 06:46.34 | Mephisto | but it's not default, it's just most common, but you can make any desktop "default" one. |
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| 06:47.02 | Mephisto | you can download Debian KDE at once, and you get KDE by default |
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| 06:47.30 | richardcavell | I don't like KDE |
| 06:47.35 | Mephisto | me neither. |
| 06:47.37 | richardcavell | I like GNOME 2 but not 3 |
| 06:47.42 | Mephisto | likewise. |
| 06:47.49 | Mephisto | nobody likes Gnome 3 actually |
| 06:47.50 | tux0 | there are some nice kde/qt applications :) |
| 06:47.57 | Mephisto | kde 3 is ok |
| 06:48.00 | Mephisto | 4 sucks.. |
| 06:48.18 | Mephisto | slow and ugly and also almost non-customizable just like his little bro Gnome 3 |
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| 06:49.01 | tux0 | richardcavell know about xfce? |
| 06:49.14 | tux0 | and Mephisto |
| 06:49.18 | Mephisto | sure |
| 06:49.20 | richardcavell | yeah but I like GNOME 2 so I'll stick with it |
| 06:49.22 | Mephisto | can't say i like it. |
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| 06:49.50 | DragonSlay | most Wms seems to be derived from twm(as the wikipedia article states ) |
| 06:49.51 | Mephisto | xfce/lxde.. they're good, but they look much too raw... and also they lack some stuff... |
| 06:50.37 | ksuhku | like bloat |
| 06:50.39 | Mephisto | i like a bit of eyecandy too. These two are definitely not for the likes like me |
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| 06:51.26 | tux0 | Mephisto well you can install orther programs which add eyecandy |
| 06:51.49 | tux0 | e.g. xpenguins |
| 06:51.52 | tux0 | :) |
| 06:52.00 | DragonSlay | compiz is a good add |
| 06:52.20 | Mephisto | good, but i'd not recommend it... |
| 06:52.26 | nsadmin | barbiDoll746, we;re not trying to pick on you... in my own case, I used btdownloadcurses once, months ago, and I don't remember it exactly, and at the time you were asking and maybe feeling frustrated not getting a direct answer, I was in about 3 conversations, including talking to you |
| 06:52.38 | Mephisto | it may interfere in video playback and also it screws up with Wine tray... |
| 06:52.41 | Mephisto | i don't like that stuff... |
| 06:52.57 | Mephisto | same goes for Metacity's composite manager. |
| 06:53.12 | Mephisto | these things just don't get along with trays, backgrounds, other peculiar stuff... |
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| 06:53.20 | tux0 | Mephisto you need to use a different video output driver |
| 06:53.24 | barbiDoll746 | I got it functioning, but... |
| 06:53.27 | Mephisto | tux0, i can't. |
| 06:53.46 | barbiDoll746 | No contact from the trackers |
| 06:54.06 | Mephisto | tux8, i'm using fglrx, i can't use radeon one, cause i need higher resolution for my LCD. |
| 06:54.17 | tux0 | no I mean for the video player |
| 06:54.23 | tux0 | not for x |
| 06:54.33 | Mephisto | tux0, hm... |
| 06:54.41 | Mephisto | like what?.. |
| 06:54.55 | tux0 | Mephisto have mplayer installed? type mplayer -vo help |
| 06:55.01 | Mephisto | i have it. |
| 06:55.09 | Mephisto | let's see... |
| 06:55.14 | barbiDoll746 | I'm trying to use my shell account on gnugeneration to get piratebay stuff cuz my android wont work for it |
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| 06:55.46 | tux0 | barbiDoll746 is it being blocked? |
| 06:55.48 | barbiDoll746 | But I think I figured out piratebay is down |
| 06:55.53 | Mephisto | ah.. |
| 06:55.54 | Mephisto | i knew it |
| 06:56.00 | barbiDoll746 | No |
| 06:56.02 | Mephisto | actually i've tried all of those.. only xv works for me. |
| 06:56.09 | Mephisto | the others show no movies unfortunatelly. |
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| 06:56.38 | barbiDoll746 | The site works but on my android the .Torrent link wont work |
| 06:56.39 | tux0 | Mephisto even the gl ones? |
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| 06:57.24 | tux0 | barbiDoll746 read the news ... |
| 06:57.40 | Mephisto | tux0, let me check |
| 06:57.43 | Mephisto | tux0, to make sure |
| 06:57.45 | barbiDoll746 | I got the .torrent link to work on my shell account but the trackers don't respond |
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| 06:57.52 | barbiDoll746 | News? |
| 06:58.58 | shawn186 | is their a way to exit gnome? |
| 06:59.02 | shawn186 | to command line |
| 06:59.06 | tux0 | yes |
| 06:59.23 | shawn186 | ctrl+alt+backspace doens't work |
| 06:59.30 | Mephisto | tux0, hm... gl works |
| 06:59.32 | tux0 | well, you can switch to the consoles using Ctrl+Alt+F1 through F6 and Ctrl+Alt+F7 brings you back to X |
| 07:00.08 | tux0 | Mephisto caca should work too |
| 07:00.13 | Mephisto | let's see |
| 07:00.20 | barbiDoll746 | Wat news? |
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| 07:00.57 | barbiDoll746 | \.? |
| 07:01.10 | tux0 | boo |
| 07:01.28 | shawn186 | I crashed x LOL |
| 07:01.39 | tux0 | how? |
| 07:01.50 | shawn186 | going to ttyl2 and startx |
| 07:01.58 | shawn186 | waht is ttyl2? |
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| 07:02.06 | tux0 | you can run multiple instances of x |
| 07:02.07 | shawn186 | err tty2 |
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| 07:03.14 | tux0 | shawn186 `man -k tty' |
| 07:03.26 | shawn186 | how do i exit a help |
| 07:03.38 | tux0 | a man page? |
| 07:03.41 | shawn186 | yea |
| 07:03.42 | DragonSlay | q |
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| 07:03.58 | shawn186 | ty |
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| 07:06.29 | shawn186 | i type startx, and it says fata error |
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| 07:06.44 | shawn186 | *fatal |
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| 07:08.43 | tux0 | yes |
| 07:09.03 | tux0 | shawn186 try something like: `startx -- :2' |
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| 07:12.26 | barbiDoll746 | Ok |
| 07:12.58 | barbiDoll746 | First of all... reboot, or at least clean up.. |
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| 07:16.58 | barbiDoll746 | Wtf |
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| 07:17.27 | barbiDoll746 | Im going with bittorrent is dead |
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| 07:19.02 | barbiDoll746 | Can someone just give me LIL_WAYNE_-_ICECREAM_paintjob.mp3? |
| 07:19.42 | barbiDoll746 | I have no idea where the caps came from sorry |
| 07:20.17 | cjg | Hi guys. whats the command to copy all files, directorys and subdirectory files and folders?? LIke for examply copy "/dir/dir2/file.1 file.2 file.3" /destination/??? |
| 07:20.57 | cjg | I tried sudo cp "Music" /var/www/Music but got ommiting directors |
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| 07:23.56 | teratoma | is squeeze-updates no longer used? |
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| 07:26.07 | barbiWaffle | wow |
| 07:26.28 | barbiDoll746 | Wow indeed |
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| 07:27.23 | barbiDoll746 | . |
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